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2016-01-01T00:24:17 < upgrdman> leveraging what    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXaZIHvVAAA1nRt.jpg
2016-01-01T00:25:14 < kakimir> full spectrum cyber
2016-01-01T00:25:28 < kakimir> means that robots are coming to kill us
2016-01-01T00:26:14 < kakimir> and internet guided drones
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2016-01-01T00:52:00 < upgrdman> lol  https://i.imgur.com/yL0OMQg.gifv
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2016-01-01T00:55:07 < upgrdman> nsfw. such amaze  https://gfycat.com/UnsungLightheartedBoutu
2016-01-01T01:02:23 < kakimir> hmm I was so excited to buy this laptop I didn't know it had flicker backlight
2016-01-01T01:02:43 < kakimir> when I look away there is this flickering
2016-01-01T01:03:04 < kakimir> how hard it is to build flickerless shiet in 2015
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2016-01-01T01:05:04 < kakimir> no it's not backlight but the panel itseld
2016-01-01T01:05:35 < upgrdman> what laptop
2016-01-01T01:08:29 < kakimir> whatever laptop
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2016-01-01T02:05:56 < Steffanx> 2016 will be the year you will make more sense kakimir?
2016-01-01T02:11:59 < kakimir> I have no reason
2016-01-01T02:12:46 < kakimir> why you wish to have sense of me?
2016-01-01T02:26:09 < Steffanx> Because.
2016-01-01T02:26:18 < upgrdman> because reasons.
2016-01-01T02:34:08 < kakimir> you dont really want
2016-01-01T02:34:31 < kakimir> when do I visit you Steffanx in netherlands?
2016-01-01T02:47:17 < Steffanx> When you visits amsterdam kakimir?
2016-01-01T02:47:34 < Steffanx> Go by car and you can visit me.
2016-01-01T02:47:55 < Steffanx> *visit
2016-01-01T02:48:55 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://imgur.com/gallery/6GFlw/new
2016-01-01T02:49:08 < upgrdman> sweet looking gaming setup
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2016-01-01T02:58:35 < kakimir> Steffanx: seriously? how far from dam?
2016-01-01T03:00:07 < upgrdman> R2COM, dongs, http://imgur.com/r/battlestations/PlIxgfi
2016-01-01T03:03:35 < PeterM> upgrdman, im fine with that beiong near the shitter, but if the one way to shower/bath is that bathtub im not so sure thats a good idea
2016-01-01T03:03:49 < upgrdman> :)
2016-01-01T03:07:52 < PeterM> http://www.monolithicpower.com/DesktopModules/DocumentManage/API/Document/getDocument?id=3473 is it just me, on page 14 figure 8 - HV boost converter, driving a 180v led string, the DS states 180v ABS MAX for SW pin, that thing is goign to be cooked.
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2016-01-01T03:09:56 < upgrdman> lol... "I adopted a cat. It pissed on my computer. This was my result"  http://imgur.com/a/EdEMn
2016-01-01T03:10:38 < upgrdman> looks liek the cat peed on his video card. did that idiot leave his case open or someshit
2016-01-01T03:10:48 < Steffanx> 200km kakimir, but its kinda on the way to a'dam
2016-01-01T03:16:15 < kakimir> Steffanx: is the whole country even 200km long?
2016-01-01T03:17:58 < kakimir> looking at google maps there is like 150km max to any direction from dam
2016-01-01T03:18:10 < upgrdman> lol http://i.imgur.com/IFnEax3.jpg
2016-01-01T03:19:21 < kakimir> your battlestation?
2016-01-01T03:19:43 < upgrdman> no
2016-01-01T03:19:50 < kakimir> what is lol?
2016-01-01T03:20:01 < upgrdman> i just chill on a couch with a big "tv dinner table"
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2016-01-01T03:22:07 < kakimir> I have been chilling in bed with plate for laptop and mouse for 2months
2016-01-01T03:22:14 < upgrdman> pic
2016-01-01T03:22:38 < kakimir> this is not internet proof sigth
2016-01-01T03:23:08 < kakimir> there is components on the floor and broken glass around on the floor
2016-01-01T03:23:16 < upgrdman> pic
2016-01-01T03:23:30 < kakimir> there is exact steps on the floor you must step on to move around
2016-01-01T03:24:26 < kakimir> I think I clean this mess first so this actually looks like something
2016-01-01T03:25:38 < kakimir> there is ropes attached to roof with loop on another end of it
2016-01-01T03:25:43 < kakimir> 4 of those
2016-01-01T03:26:03 < kakimir> hangin freely
2016-01-01T03:26:19 < kakimir> left those there as took RC planes off
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2016-01-01T04:35:37 < ReadError> isnt he doing a FC?
2016-01-01T04:35:41 < ReadError> chibi overcomplex?
2016-01-01T04:35:50 < ReadError> oops scrollup
2016-01-01T04:38:44 < upgrdman> ideal use care for escalators:  https://gfycat.com/FearfulHappygoluckyHornshark
2016-01-01T04:39:15 < upgrdman> actually it looks like stairs next to some escalators. but still.
2016-01-01T04:51:53 < ds2> the end is near!
2016-01-01T04:53:06 < upgrdman> lolwut  http://imgur.com/iur4Qfa
2016-01-01T04:57:47 < emeb_mac> ds2: how goes the SDR?
2016-01-01T05:12:13 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRnp5dkVkbkdQYkk/view?usp=sharing general amplifier board starts really to beef up
2016-01-01T05:12:29 < ds2> emeb_mac: tested out the no FIR filter decimate (just boxcar decimate) and I don't see a difference
2016-01-01T05:12:29 < kakimir> but it needs more components for special cases
2016-01-01T05:12:56 < ds2> emeb_mac: trying to figure out if the constant rise in power as seen on the FFT causes any problem
2016-01-01T05:13:30 < emeb_mac> ds2: constant rise in power? what's that from?
2016-01-01T05:15:35 < ds2> donno
2016-01-01T05:16:10 < ds2> if I do a complex of the FFT after decimation, I see the right pattern but the "power" (defined as - I^2 + Q^2) goes up by quite a few DBs
2016-01-01T05:19:05 < ds2> predecimate - the peaks of the signal appear as 95dB (arbitary ref.)
2016-01-01T05:19:22 < ds2> post decimate - the peaks of the signal are 120dB
2016-01-01T05:19:29 < ds2> and it goes up
2016-01-01T05:21:48 < emeb_mac> do you normalize the decimation? it's a mean so you need to divide by the window size.
2016-01-01T05:30:10 < ds2> nope
2016-01-01T05:31:05 < ds2> I noticed you talk about DC block, what is the importance of that?
2016-01-01T05:31:14 < ds2> I can recover a tone just fine w/o it
2016-01-01T05:34:30 < ds2> found my RTL dongle, might use that to get some live data
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2016-01-01T05:45:12 < emeb_mac> DC block isn't critical for IF sampling.
2016-01-01T05:56:51 < upgrdman> free upgrade
2016-01-01T05:57:09 < upgrdman> but if you buy a new pussie and need an OS for it...
2016-01-01T05:57:13 < upgrdman> s/buy/build
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2016-01-01T06:19:20 < ReadError> what if you have a bootleg win7
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2016-01-01T06:33:31 < dongs> free one is only free for a year?
2016-01-01T06:33:32 < dongs> i think
2016-01-01T06:33:36 < dongs> then they will start charging
2016-01-01T06:33:39 < dongs> also i duno if pro is free
2016-01-01T06:33:56 < dongs> my new junktop came wiht win10 homo
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2016-01-01T06:34:10 < dongs> no rdp lolz
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2016-01-01T06:41:03 < upgrdman> lolol  https://youtu.be/nXkOxP5hka4?t=48
2016-01-01T06:47:22 < emeb_mac> win10 homo. haha
2016-01-01T06:47:52 < dongs> upgrdman: what teh fuck
2016-01-01T06:47:56 < dongs> can he not fucking solder
2016-01-01T06:48:06 < dongs> is he a retard or doing it on purpose
2016-01-01T06:48:16 < upgrdman> on purpose
2016-01-01T06:48:21 < upgrdman> hes not dumb. he's trolling
2016-01-01T06:48:31 < upgrdman> "tig welder"
2016-01-01T06:50:12 < dongs> what a fucking letdown
2016-01-01T06:50:17 < dongs> upgrdman: not clicking your shit links ever again
2016-01-01T06:50:22 < dongs> i expected an explosion
2016-01-01T06:50:23 < upgrdman> sry
2016-01-01T06:50:27 < upgrdman> me too
2016-01-01T06:50:28 < dongs> not a fucking dribble of jizz
2016-01-01T06:50:31 < emeb_mac> just smoke
2016-01-01T06:50:33 < upgrdman> lol
2016-01-01T06:50:35 < emeb_mac> yawn
2016-01-01T06:54:51 < upgrdman> russian quality  http://i.imgur.com/cz5ykO2.gif
2016-01-01T06:55:01 < upgrdman> sadly no explosion :(
2016-01-01T06:55:56 < upgrdman> lolwut  http://epicsaholic.com/pics/1860/huge-clit-big-pussy-lips.jpg
2016-01-01T06:56:47 < dongs> that url just made me gay
2016-01-01T06:57:18 < upgrdman> lol
2016-01-01T07:01:38 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/rpxSAF9
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2016-01-01T07:10:55 < Rob235> its no fun when things work.  cleaning up code is boring, I want puzzles
2016-01-01T07:11:42 < upgrdman> close your eyes, click somewhere in your code, and hold down backspace for a while. save and close so you can't undo.
2016-01-01T07:12:03 < Rob235> :)
2016-01-01T07:16:22 < upgrdman> :)
2016-01-01T07:16:56 < upgrdman> R2COM, dont get all butt hurt.
2016-01-01T07:22:52 < bloated> I haven't looked at any porn in the whole of 2016
2016-01-01T07:23:27 < upgrdman> its never too late
2016-01-01T07:23:31 < upgrdman> we have faith in you
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2016-01-01T08:21:20 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: sheds for cars, people rarely live in those but that happens in extraordinary conditions.
2016-01-01T08:21:38 < PaulFertser> kakimir: yes, it's just a PC at home.
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2016-01-01T09:37:06 < PeterM> PaulFertser, whats your UL, i got pretty good speed from that
2016-01-01T09:53:37 < PaulFertser> PeterM: I think 15MBits/s
2016-01-01T09:54:02 < PeterM> pretty respectable
2016-01-01T09:54:45 < PaulFertser> The cheapest from that ISP (~3.8 EUR per month). One IPv4, no IPv6.
2016-01-01T09:55:10 < PeterM> jesus fuck
2016-01-01T09:55:31 < PeterM> thats ncie
2016-01-01T09:55:34 < PeterM> nice even
2016-01-01T09:56:48 < jpa-> here i pay 10 EUR/month for 10/1, would be 20 EUR/month for 100/10.. and that is subsidized by the appartment building company also
2016-01-01T09:57:09 < PaulFertser> Moscow has many ISPs, they mostly get fiber to every multi-apartment building and then get 100M or 1G ethernet to the apartments. ADSL shit is the thing of the past.
2016-01-01T09:57:20 < PeterM> i pay $80 au for unlimited adsl, wooo
2016-01-01T09:57:41 < PeterM> fukken rubbish
2016-01-01T09:57:45 < PaulFertser> Also, during the last year the RUB/EUR exchange rate changed 2x but the price is in RUB and remained the same.
2016-01-01T10:00:05 < PaulFertser> At the place from the video ("suburbs" but it's part of Moscow now, formally) I pay about 10 EUR per month but I get 50MBit/s Ethernet, 1 IPv4, no IPv6.
2016-01-01T10:00:47 < PeterM> damn, thats nice too
2016-01-01T10:01:05 < PeterM> 80AUD is ~55EUR
2016-01-01T10:01:38 < PeterM> i assume no throughput caps is a standard thing over there, not something you have to pay extra for
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2016-01-01T11:12:38 < upgrdman> dongs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-Fig_LoBy4
2016-01-01T11:19:30 < upgrdman> ahaha http://www.engadget.com/2015/12/31/give-your-fetus-a-concert-with-vaginal-sound-system-babypod/
2016-01-01T11:21:23 < PeterM> get some of that music up ya
2016-01-01T11:21:52 < Rob235> 3,333 lines of code :)
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2016-01-01T15:06:11 < qyx> I wonder if this kind of thing would work good enough http://i.imgur.com/OWmfxuN.png
2016-01-01T15:07:04 < qyx> sacrificing one timer instead of a dedicated pwm controller
2016-01-01T15:09:24 < PeterM> qyx could oyu not cap couple it and only have to toggle  the one pin?
2016-01-01T15:10:18 < qyx> wouldn't I need to actually toggle it then?
2016-01-01T15:10:20 < qyx> up and down
2016-01-01T15:11:15 < PeterM> hmm valid point
2016-01-01T15:11:40 < PeterM> you could just do something like .... sec
2016-01-01T15:11:45 < qyx> otherwise it would be a flyback and I would need an airgap in the transformer
2016-01-01T15:11:56 < qyx> /in the inductor
2016-01-01T15:12:41 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/nJ7g6y6.jpg
2016-01-01T15:13:15 < qyx> you kidding
2016-01-01T15:13:20 < PeterM> obviously not that exact thing
2016-01-01T15:13:56 < PeterM> actually, wait
2016-01-01T15:14:47 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/XuuufGH but put an inverter on one gate
2016-01-01T15:15:33 < qyx> yeah, that would work, but meh p-mosfet
2016-01-01T15:15:47 < PeterM> no
2016-01-01T15:15:49 < PeterM> n mos
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2016-01-01T15:16:12 < PeterM> but you would need a high side drive
2016-01-01T15:16:16 < qyx> yes, that
2016-01-01T15:16:21 < PeterM> or you could do it with bjt lol
2016-01-01T15:16:25 < qyx> mhm
2016-01-01T15:16:42 < PeterM> but the important thing is you dont need to worry abotu core saturation for fluxwalking
2016-01-01T15:16:56 < PeterM> because you can only transfer a limited amount of juice each cycle
2016-01-01T15:17:05 < PeterM> limited by the caps
2016-01-01T15:17:54 < qyx> actually the bjt idea may not be that bad
2016-01-01T15:18:19 < zyp> anybody got experience working with line voltages?
2016-01-01T15:18:26 < zyp> i.e. 230V in my case
2016-01-01T15:18:55 < PeterM> depends on what you need to know
2016-01-01T15:19:06 < qyx> I occasionally manage to put an appliance cord into the wall outlet
2016-01-01T15:19:07 < qyx> 230V too
2016-01-01T15:19:37 < PeterM> i mean, if you want to know what safety certs you need to get and stuff i have no idea
2016-01-01T15:19:39 < zyp> like, what level do I put MCU GND at?
2016-01-01T15:20:03 < PeterM> protective earth
2016-01-01T15:20:21 < zyp> yeah, that's what I figure
2016-01-01T15:21:00 < zyp> but I've been looking at the STMPC1 energy metering chipset
2016-01-01T15:21:28 < zyp> and other energy metering stuff as well
2016-01-01T15:22:13 < zyp> they usually set GND at N, and use a resistor divider from the other line voltage to get down to N level
2016-01-01T15:22:22 < PaulFertser> PeterM: sometimes PE is not present in the outlet. And if you use a PSU to power the target MCU, then it's PE would be at 110V AC until you connect it to proper outlet.
2016-01-01T15:23:02 < PeterM> PaulFertser, in that case you have your MCU floating
2016-01-01T15:23:51 < zyp> PaulFertser, that's not a concern, PE is mandatory
2016-01-01T15:24:46 < Steffanx> but what if you still plug it in a outlet without it?
2016-01-01T15:24:49 < Steffanx> *an
2016-01-01T15:24:54 < zyp> but in much of norway, we've got three phase delta, which means there's no N
2016-01-01T15:25:17 < PeterM> Steffanx, that depends on how you are powering the device
2016-01-01T15:25:48 < PaulFertser> zyp: I occassionally see equipment that's using 2-pin slim plugs, so probably it's mandated for the sockets but not plugs?
2016-01-01T15:27:16 < zyp> well, I'm thinking of getting into EVSE shit, and a mandatory function of an EVSE is to check PE presence and refuse to work if it's missing
2016-01-01T15:27:19 < qyx> equipment is allowed to have 2pin plug olny if it is double/reinforced isolated
2016-01-01T15:27:34 < qyx> at least here
2016-01-01T15:27:47 < qyx> PE is mandatory in all outlets and extension cords
2016-01-01T15:28:09 < PeterM> zyp looking at the way it ios designed here is how id do it
2016-01-01T15:28:39 < qyx> hm, you could check for PE with a simple resistor divider between L and N
2016-01-01T15:29:08 < zyp> the EVSE comms stuff is all PE referenced, so that module naturally gets PE=GND
2016-01-01T15:29:20 < qyx> big enough not to trigger a RCD
2016-01-01T15:29:23 < zyp> but the energy metering chips seems to be designed to be N referenced
2016-01-01T15:29:33 < zyp> qyx, sure, that part is easy enough
2016-01-01T15:29:41 < PeterM> STPMS1 all have their ground tied to one phase and derive their supply rom the phase tehy're betering, measure current by ct, voltage by divier, opto isolator back to STMPC1 which has PE as its GND and supoply derived from ???
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2016-01-01T15:29:49 < zyp> it's the energy metering stuff that I've been thinking about
2016-01-01T15:30:35 < zyp> PeterM, ah, yeah, could have optos between there
2016-01-01T15:30:52 < zyp> I was thinking having optos between STPMC1 and MCU
2016-01-01T15:30:59 < zyp> but your idea makes more sense
2016-01-01T15:31:28 < zyp> well
2016-01-01T15:32:11 < zyp> I still need to have one PE-referenced supply and one whatever-referenced supply for the line side stuff
2016-01-01T15:32:43 < PeterM> yeah, well, the MCU stuff could be floating with no refrenced supply
2016-01-01T15:33:06 < zyp> I'm still undecided on the architecture of stuff
2016-01-01T15:33:21 < PeterM> but the STPMS1 should be refrenced between phases, and the STPMC1 should be isolated from them imho
2016-01-01T15:33:24 < zyp> I'm thinking maybe having separate DIN rail modules with CAN in between
2016-01-01T15:34:11 < zyp> one for EV comms, one for energy metering, one for networking for remote monitoring/control
2016-01-01T15:36:13 < PeterM> the reason i say do STPMS1 between phases and isolate the stpmc1  is if there is no neutral or pe then it will still work and it should be somewhat safe
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2016-01-01T15:37:28 < PeterM> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/datasheet/CD00253174.pdf P10, Fig5: onyl works if there is a neutral connection present
2016-01-01T15:40:50 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-01T15:41:25 < zyp> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/DM00056244.pdf <- p20, fig14 seems to suggest that in a delta setup, you should reference it off L3
2016-01-01T15:42:17 < zyp> that said, EV standards doesn't support three phase delta charging
2016-01-01T15:42:23 < zyp> so that's not too interesting
2016-01-01T15:43:57 < zyp> but I need to handle single phase 230V derived from both delta and wye
2016-01-01T15:44:55 < zyp> in a wye setup, PE should be close to N, in a delta setup, PE should be 130V away from either line
2016-01-01T15:45:26 < zyp> I say should, because there might be a ground fault on the grid pulling it away from where it should be
2016-01-01T15:47:54 < zyp> but I'm also thinking, since the inputs on the STPMS are differential, can't I just PE-reference everything and use a divider on both high and low side?
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2016-01-01T16:21:02 < qyx> zyp: how much were those cable assemblies for arcin?
2016-01-01T16:21:29 < qyx> http://www.modmypi.com/image/cache/data/rpi-products/hacking-and-prototyping/wire-cable/jst/4-pin-800x609.jpg
2016-01-01T16:21:36 < qyx> I need something like that but with connectors on both sides
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2016-01-01T16:28:34 < zyp> the male-female stuff I had made were $24 for 150, plus shipping
2016-01-01T16:29:34 < qyx> no bad, thx
2016-01-01T16:30:45 < zyp> the XH-ZH stuff were $11
2016-01-01T16:30:50 < zyp> sorry, $17 for 150
2016-01-01T16:31:06 < zyp> probably cheaper because of crimping rather than soldering
2016-01-01T16:31:21 < ReadError> not bad, where at?
2016-01-01T16:31:29 < qyx> i need PA or PH, PA is better because of lock
2016-01-01T16:31:48 < qyx> crimpig type too
2016-01-01T16:31:57 < qyx> time to clean my keyboard
2016-01-01T16:32:18 < zyp> and then shipping were more than those two wires together :p
2016-01-01T16:32:37 < zyp> $98 all in all
2016-01-01T16:32:41 < zyp> for 150+150 wires
2016-01-01T16:33:01 < ReadError> they will do custom harness? colors and all?
2016-01-01T16:33:02 < zyp> I mean, assemblies
2016-01-01T16:33:06 < zyp> yes
2016-01-01T16:33:09 < zyp> this were all custom
2016-01-01T16:33:15 < ReadError> they have a site?
2016-01-01T16:33:47 < zyp> I have no idea, I just gave dongs a drawing of what I wanted, and he handled the rest
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2016-01-01T16:48:41 < PeterM> i think for a lot of JST stuff its so cheap because the actual strip + crimp operation is the same for pretty much all connectors in the same pitch
2016-01-01T16:49:19 < PeterM> and then the stuffing the actual connector can be done with whatever connector is needed
2016-01-01T16:49:45 < zyp> XH and ZH is pretty different in pitch
2016-01-01T16:52:13 < PeterM> this is true, but for say NSH, APSH and SH the actual bit crimped onto the wire is pretty much the same
2016-01-01T16:52:26 < PeterM> it's just the housing the thing is pushed into
2016-01-01T16:52:43 < PeterM> so you could have one line set up for like 4 different connectors
2016-01-01T16:52:44 < zyp> yeah
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2016-01-01T17:24:07 < Laurenceb_> A torrent of shit and relying on alcohol can push you to the edge. I was there on October 5th 2011, the day that Steve Jobs died. Couldn't see any future, absolute rock bottom and tried to take my life
2016-01-01T17:24:30 < Laurenceb_> facepalming hard
2016-01-01T17:25:32 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhNsfH_38cc
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2016-01-01T17:34:31 < Steffanx> 808 views. april 12th. HOW ON EARTH YOU FOUND THAT VIDEO Laurenceb_? Also: actor.
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2016-01-01T17:34:52 < Steffanx> ooh, autism, explains it all.
2016-01-01T17:35:13 < Laurenceb_> I got banned from #space today
2016-01-01T17:35:21 < Laurenceb_> didnt even say anything
2016-01-01T17:35:33 < Steffanx> your name is enough nowadays
2016-01-01T17:35:34 < Laurenceb_> just turned up in the channel and they banned in within 5 minutes
2016-01-01T17:36:18 < Sync> o0
2016-01-01T17:37:19 < Laurenceb_> dindu nuffin
2016-01-01T17:37:37 < Steffanx> They know you rant about them everywhere, so its not a surprise
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2016-01-01T17:48:11 < englishman> pro em drive conspiracy
2016-01-01T17:50:53 < Laurenceb_> oh shit yeah thats probably why
2016-01-01T17:51:02 < Laurenceb_> I posted some em drive stuff a while ago
2016-01-01T17:51:19 < Laurenceb_> don't you mean QuinnSpiracy?
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2016-01-01T18:06:45 < Getty> How do you stop a North Korean tank? Shoot the guy pushing it
2016-01-01T18:13:07 < Steffanx> How do you do you call a funny german?
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2016-01-01T18:18:57 < jpa-> Steffanx: "heil hitler"?
2016-01-01T18:19:08 < Steffanx> Nothing, there is no such thing.
2016-01-01T18:24:18 < englishman> wat, Hitler was greatest stand  up comic of all time
2016-01-01T18:24:35 < englishman> his speeches drew immense crowds and inspired a nation to greatness
2016-01-01T18:24:58 < englishman> all with knock knock and "two Jews walk into a bank" jokes
2016-01-01T18:29:00 < Steffanx> oh, i didn't know.
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2016-01-01T19:17:31 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/CGDTx4e.gifv
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2016-01-01T19:35:01 < emeb> Poor kitty.
2016-01-01T19:39:27 < kakimir> heil bubba
2016-01-01T19:45:46 < Steffanx> Did you ever meet bubba, kakimir?
2016-01-01T19:47:29 < kakimir> no
2016-01-01T19:48:10 < qyx> what happened to fairchild mosfet drivers?
2016-01-01T19:48:23 < qyx> they are no longer available or EOL or out of sock
2016-01-01T19:48:25 < qyx> stock event
2016-01-01T19:49:09 < qyx> ha
2016-01-01T19:49:10 < qyx> http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/newsItem.do?article=3452
2016-01-01T19:50:34 < Steffanx> was about to say that.
2016-01-01T19:53:14 < qyx> now I need to find another one to abuse for motor driving
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2016-01-01T20:10:19 < kakimir> windows douchebag 10 requires me to give password when running stuff I have downloaded
2016-01-01T20:10:34 < kakimir> problem is I dont have any set passwordd
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2016-01-01T21:02:24 < kakimir> why I have hibernation file in my laptop
2016-01-01T21:02:34 < kakimir> it doesn't hibernate
2016-01-01T21:02:48 < kakimir> and the file is HUGE waste of ssd
2016-01-01T21:03:02 < kakimir> is it just for "it might hibernate"
2016-01-01T21:03:13 < Steffanx> http://imgur.com/gallery/yjAbZ8R .. first comment is for upgrdman :D
2016-01-01T21:03:39 < Steffanx> turn it off kakimir
2016-01-01T21:04:04 < englishman> Steffanx: dammit i cant tell if that is 1st january or january 1st
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2016-01-01T21:11:32 < kakimir> Steffanx: powercfg.exe -h off
2016-01-01T21:11:33 < kakimir> did it
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2016-01-01T21:11:39 < kakimir> file is gone
2016-01-01T21:11:47 < kakimir> thank jessus
2016-01-01T21:11:55 < Steffanx> -s
2016-01-01T21:12:53 < kakimir> amen
2016-01-01T21:14:09 < upgrdman> Steffanx, :)
2016-01-01T21:15:37 < kakimir> you are keen on jesus Steffanx ?
2016-01-01T21:16:11 < Steffanx> Im keen on everyone, especially finnish boys.
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2016-01-01T21:37:09 < kakimir> that is common for netherlanders
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2016-01-01T22:06:49 < ambro718> I accidentally flashed wrong firmware (for another chip) to a F4-Discovery and now openocd can't flash it anymore. What  can I do?  http://ideone.com/pRb7HV
2016-01-01T22:08:32 < ambro718> never mind it just started working for no apparent reason :)
2016-01-01T22:09:46 < gordonjcp> ambro718: if you're using SWD it ought to pretty much always be recoverable
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2016-01-01T22:36:39 < PaulFertser> ambro718: for the future reference: "reset_config connect_assert_srst"
2016-01-01T22:37:49 < ambro718> thanks
2016-01-01T22:38:20 < PaulFertser> ambro718: but your paste is actually unrelated, the error there is because of a space in the bin filename. You should either escape that space properly or use different filename (without spaces).
2016-01-01T22:38:40 < ambro718> PaulFertser: indeed :)  openocd having problems with spaces :)
2016-01-01T22:38:45 < ambro718> it's run through a script
2016-01-01T22:39:10 < PaulFertser> ambro718: I also recommend not using bin files whenever possible and go with elf instead, this way you'll miss an opportunity to occassionally mess up the offset. OpenOCD parses ELFs just fine.
2016-01-01T22:40:34 < ambro718> yes good idea
2016-01-01T22:41:04 < PaulFertser> ambro718: hm, if that's indeed lack of handling spaces in filenames from openocd, I'd like to fix it. Can you please file a bug on SF.net tracker or remind me about that tomorrow (and every day until I actually fix it)?
2016-01-01T22:42:27 < ambro718> PaulFertser: I don't really know if it does support spaces in some way, I just didn't see how to do it. Here's the code in my flash script, https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/master/flash.py#L74
2016-01-01T22:42:32 < ambro718> yes I can file a bug
2016-01-01T22:43:22 < ambro718> that code doesn't quite work right with openocd 0.9 (it flashes but does not exit..). Maybe there's a better way to flash from command line.
2016-01-01T22:44:03 < PaulFertser> ambro718: to exit after flashing you need to use "exit" in addition to "verify reset".
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2016-01-01T22:44:13 < PaulFertser> ambro718: it's mentioned in the NEWS...
2016-01-01T22:44:23 < ambro718> PaulFertser: okay. I do hope that it will still work with the next version of openocd :)
2016-01-01T22:45:08 < PaulFertser> ambro718: it will. Just do not use separate reset command there, pass reset and exit as arguments to "program".
2016-01-01T22:45:19 < ambro718> thanks
2016-01-01T22:46:27 < PaulFertser> ambro718: people started complaining about "program" exiting automatically after you run it from a telnet session. And most active users agreed that default should be made to not exit. So this was indeed a breaking change but I hoped it was properly communicated.
2016-01-01T22:46:44 < ambro718> sure no problem
2016-01-01T22:48:18 < kakimir> guys
2016-01-01T22:48:33 < kakimir> does it matter which side of filter I bias the voltage?
2016-01-01T22:48:55 < PaulFertser> ambro718: and btw, I thought you're an FP fan and suddenly I see python code ;)
2016-01-01T22:49:28 < ambro718> PaulFertser: I'm not really a FP fan, I don't properly know any real FP language :)
2016-01-01T22:49:44 < ambro718> I should though :)
2016-01-01T22:53:56 < PaulFertser> APrinter looks impressive!
2016-01-01T22:56:31 < PaulFertser> Hm, and you're implementing your own stm32 library, without laks or stm32plus.
2016-01-01T22:56:53 < ambro718> thanks :)  I hope it's getting better and better. Here's a hypercube I just printer with Aprinter running on the Fisher printer!  http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=97155
2016-01-01T22:57:24 < ambro718> and that was with my own assembled toolchain ( https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/master/nix/gcc-arm-embedded-fromsrc.nix )
2016-01-01T22:57:38 < ambro718> PaulFertser: I do not use tasks in Aprinter (yet).
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2016-01-01T22:58:35 < ambro718> I use the Cube library for some stuff, though notably when I was working on the SD card, I got very angry at the code so I wrote all the SD drivers myself. It was a good choice too because then I reused the generic SD card code for the Atmel chips.
2016-01-01T23:00:11 < ambro718> so I have the SD interface drivers (https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/master/aprinter/hal/stm32/Stm32f4Sdio.h and https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/master/aprinter/hal/at91/At91SamSdio.h) and the SD card driver (https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/master/aprinter/devices/SdioSdCard.h).
2016-01-01T23:00:36 < ambro718> best of all, it's all 100% asynchronous (which was the point)
2016-01-01T23:02:50 < Laurenceb_> nice
2016-01-01T23:03:29 < Laurenceb_> I'd like to see this running with USB mass storage class
2016-01-01T23:03:35 < PaulFertser> C++ template metaprogramming should be added to the CS textbooks as the oddest thing that ever happened to programmers.
2016-01-01T23:08:18 < PaulFertser> When people find that e.g. ELF metadata is Turing-complete, it's mostly of academic interest. But those templates that are actually useful for an ordinary C++ programmer is really something! And using them must be painful and rewarding at the same time, mixed feelings, that's for sure.
2016-01-01T23:08:28 < ambro718> Laurenceb_: USB is a different story, it's far more complex than SD.
2016-01-01T23:08:46 < ambro718> For the USB CDC serial port, I just the Cube library, somehow it seems to work.
2016-01-01T23:09:26 < ambro718> well template metaprogramming is now established as something serious/useful, even if it was an accident originally
2016-01-01T23:09:47 < ambro718> of course people have different opinions on when / how much it should be used
2016-01-01T23:11:11 < PaulFertser> Can C++14 constexpr functions cut down the amount of template insanity somewhat?
2016-01-01T23:13:24 < ambro718> PaulFertser: constexpr functions not much (I do use them but I find I don't really need them a lot). What can help is generic lambdas. In my case it can reduce the "foreach type" boilerplate.
2016-01-01T23:14:58 < ambro718> PaulFertser: see how I do this currently. https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/master/aprinter/printer/modules/AuxControlModule.h lines 87, 110, 230 (this just calls init() on each Heater<I>)
2016-01-01T23:15:29 < ambro718> with generic lambdas you can do it in one place, I think, but I've never attempted it
2016-01-01T23:16:29 < ambro718> of course the ugly stuff is hidden in https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter/blob/master/aprinter/meta/ListForEach.h :)
2016-01-01T23:18:02 < Steffanx> AMBRO_LIKELY heh.
2016-01-01T23:18:53 < ambro718> yeah that's the __expect. Someone has indeed mentioned that the macro names age too personal so I started naming new ones APRINTER_ :)
2016-01-01T23:19:08 < ambro718> or rather __attribute__((expect,something)),
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2016-01-02T00:03:24 < qyx> uhm, male/female/hermaphroditic connectors
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2016-01-02T01:49:53 < upgrdman> found Laurenceb_   http://i.imgur.com/GMHxJIQ.jpg
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2016-01-02T02:00:21 < kakimir> but isn't Laurenceb_ an edgylord with fedora and anime shirt?
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2016-01-02T02:16:18 < jadew> was arranging my photos and found some scans from photos since I was a kid and I realized I'm from the b&w paper photo age
2016-01-02T02:16:26 < jadew> it's so weird...
2016-01-02T02:17:05 < jadew> makes you look so old to the current generation
2016-01-02T02:17:17 < jadew> they can't tell the difference between those photos and ones from 1800
2016-01-02T02:18:22 < upgrdman> i enjoyed photo class in high school. slr + bw film. spent many lunch breaks in the darkroom
2016-01-02T02:18:51 < jadew> I did film too, up until a few years ago
2016-01-02T02:18:55 < jadew> but I used a proper camera
2016-01-02T02:19:06 < jadew> and it wasn'
2016-01-02T02:19:09 < jadew> and it wasn't bw
2016-01-02T02:19:30 < jadew> the pictures of me when I was a kid look... last century
2016-01-02T02:21:33 < upgrdman> upload some so we can see
2016-01-02T02:22:51 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/files/razvi.jpg
2016-01-02T02:23:47 < jadew> that's me when I was 1 year old
2016-01-02T02:24:25 < kakimir> jadew as little girl
2016-01-02T02:24:39 < jadew> :/
2016-01-02T02:24:51 < jadew> I'm a dude
2016-01-02T02:24:58 < kakimir> I know :D
2016-01-02T02:25:02 < jadew> ah :P
2016-01-02T02:25:13 < kakimir> we use to say "when I was a little girl..."
2016-01-02T02:25:36 < jadew> the picture is taken during the communist era
2016-01-02T02:25:50 < upgrdman> .ro is romania?
2016-01-02T02:25:54 < jadew> yeah
2016-01-02T02:26:16 < jadew> so I guess it might look so out of time because of how I'm dressed too, not sure what was the standard back then tho
2016-01-02T02:26:46 < jadew> there were not a lot of options in kids clothing
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2016-01-02T02:37:21 < kakimir> nowdays you buy slave-made clothing from swedish multinational store for kids
2016-01-02T02:40:29 < PeterM> kakimir > /nick ikeamir
2016-01-02T02:41:10 < kakimir> ikea ain't only one
2016-01-02T02:43:20 < PeterM> kakimir > /nick beaky
2016-01-02T02:44:14 < kakimir> blender time peter pan
2016-01-02T02:45:45 < kakimir> let's do perfect box for usb isolator
2016-01-02T02:46:05 < kakimir> I will try with this to add brass inserts for screws
2016-01-02T02:46:21 < jadew> I need to find a cheap 3d printing service & cnc
2016-01-02T02:47:19 < kakimir> shapeways?
2016-01-02T02:47:28 < kakimir> they have aluminum even now
2016-01-02T02:47:40 < jadew> I meant local
2016-01-02T02:47:48 < kakimir> 3dhubs
2016-01-02T02:47:56 < kakimir> input your location
2016-01-02T02:47:59 < kakimir> search
2016-01-02T02:48:03 < jadew> yeah, I'll have to give it a try
2016-01-02T02:48:08 < jadew> I'm very curiours on what can be done
2016-01-02T02:49:22 < kakimir> it's more expensive I thought
2016-01-02T02:49:43 < kakimir> I imagined I would be printing in craploads but
2016-01-02T02:50:17 < kakimir> take some 10cm x 10cm x 10cm and fill it completelly
2016-01-02T02:50:19 < kakimir> see price
2016-01-02T02:50:31 < kakimir> get a shock
2016-01-02T02:50:35 < jadew> heh
2016-01-02T02:50:53 < kakimir> since when plastic has been that expensive
2016-01-02T02:54:46 < jadew> I don't know what is it about film, but it looks so much better than digital
2016-01-02T02:57:35 < jadew> this is probably the best photo I ever took: http://dumb.ro/files/london.jpg
2016-01-02T02:57:41 < kakimir> artifacts and patina to it
2016-01-02T02:58:00 < kakimir> londonium
2016-01-02T03:01:39 < kakimir> london calling
2016-01-02T03:06:33 < Laurenceb_> londonistan
2016-01-02T03:07:11 < kakimir> place where from Laurenceb_ controls half of Europe
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2016-01-02T03:17:56 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-01-02T03:19:03 < dongs> qyx: yea just mspaint me a thing and I can set you up
2016-01-02T03:26:08 < jadew> found a photobomber in my photos: http://dumb.ro/files/upset-chick.jpg
2016-01-02T03:27:48 < jadew> would be fun if there was some online service to identify people so you could send them random photos of themselves
2016-01-02T03:27:54 < jadew> "thanks for ruining my picture, bitch"
2016-01-02T03:35:16 < kakimir> biatch
2016-01-02T03:35:46 < kakimir> she hoped for male attention on the beach
2016-01-02T03:36:58 < jadew> I think she was upset about those damn rocks, cuz I hated them too
2016-01-02T03:37:29 < kakimir> rocks?
2016-01-02T03:37:40 < kakimir> rocky beach?
2016-01-02T03:37:46 < jadew> yeah...
2016-01-02T03:37:52 < jadew> had to wear slippers when going in
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2016-01-02T03:44:25 < jadew> yeah, that's gonna happen
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2016-01-02T04:10:02 < emeb> fscking WD hard drive died after less than a year.
2016-01-02T04:12:05 < PeterM> good thing you backup right
2016-01-02T04:12:08 < zyp> which kind?
2016-01-02T04:19:33 < obnauticus>  /window 9
2016-01-02T04:20:00 < dongs> no
2016-01-02T04:20:08 < dongs> k, first dpadapter with minidp in the o ven
2016-01-02T04:20:16 < dongs> lets see if doing dip with paste works
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2016-01-02T04:26:50 < dongs> new lcd connector footprint is definitely better
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2016-01-02T04:33:53 < upgrdman> watching a bunch of dash cam crashes on youtube. wtf does blyot (spelling?) mean?
2016-01-02T04:34:24 < gordonjcp> probably a rude word in russian
2016-01-02T04:34:37 < upgrdman> definitely something in .ru
2016-01-02T04:34:37 < gordonjcp> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blyat
2016-01-02T04:36:28 < kakimir> cyka
2016-01-02T04:38:55 < englishman> dongs: what panel
2016-01-02T04:39:30 < dongs> just refactoring jewpad mini panel. i STILL gotta redo the circuit on dixel
2016-01-02T04:39:39 < englishman> fff
2016-01-02T04:39:55 < upgrdman> dongs, what does your pcb do
2016-01-02T04:40:05 < dongs> upgrdman: same shit as before, this is stuff im currently selling.
2016-01-02T04:40:11 < upgrdman> mini dp -> lcd ?
2016-01-02T04:40:13 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-02T04:40:13 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-02T04:40:17 < dongs> just changed connector
2016-01-02T04:40:20 < kakimir> I wonder if I need to make insert hole a little smaller than insert
2016-01-02T04:40:23 < dongs> and fixed panel footprint
2016-01-02T04:40:28 < dongs> after i got stolen ipad schematics
2016-01-02T04:40:32 < dongs> and got proper connector part#
2016-01-02T04:40:40 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/NNuJHfz.jpg
2016-01-02T04:40:53 < dongs> minidp is half-smt half-dip but soldered ok just by paste
2016-01-02T04:42:02 < upgrdman> sony == usb stick for flashing?
2016-01-02T04:42:23 < upgrdman> o nm, just to angle the board for photo
2016-01-02T04:42:34 < dongs> yar
2016-01-02T04:43:42 < englishman> minidp will be nice, less stress on that FPC connector
2016-01-02T04:44:03 < dongs> took a while to find usable connector in china that I could acutally buy realiably
2016-01-02T04:44:07 < englishman> hmm that's not same tho
2016-01-02T04:44:09 < dongs> found a manufacturer that does their own clones
2016-01-02T04:44:13 < englishman> Ohh its iPad mini
2016-01-02T04:44:21 < dongs> and their moq is 350/reel so its decent enough
2016-01-02T04:48:12 < PeterM> upgrdman, link yor crash vids, i jsut got a beer
2016-01-02T04:48:36 < upgrdman> PeterM, k. lemme find it. watching a 1hr video on my android tv
2016-01-02T04:48:52 < PeterM> cheers
2016-01-02T04:49:22 < upgrdman> cool. youtube sync my android tv to my youtube account. found 1hr video in my history
2016-01-02T04:49:23 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxUW8wTK5iw
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2016-01-02T04:57:20 < Laurenceb_> https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/kdlfiw7.jpg?w=800
2016-01-02T04:57:21 < Laurenceb_> eeek
2016-01-02T04:57:41 < upgrdman> lol @ ghetto xray rig
2016-01-02T04:58:03 < upgrdman> who needs a collimator. not that guy.
2016-01-02T04:59:43 < upgrdman> that tube looks like a baby version of this one we have at work: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/xray_generator.jpg
2016-01-02T05:12:14 < kakimir> shiet that looks dangerous thing
2016-01-02T05:12:28 < upgrdman> which one, my pic?
2016-01-02T05:12:49 < upgrdman> the one in my pic is roughtly the size used to xray your luggage at the airport
2016-01-02T05:14:02 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKenZLcDVORVE0UkU/view?usp=sharing usb isolator box started
2016-01-02T05:14:33 < upgrdman> lol. cad with blender?
2016-01-02T05:15:24 < kakimir> why notti?
2016-01-02T05:15:40 < kakimir> it's crappy 3d print enclosure
2016-01-02T05:15:51 < upgrdman> WAT
2016-01-02T05:15:57 < upgrdman> you're going to 3d-dick that
2016-01-02T05:16:06 < kakimir> not that
2016-01-02T05:16:07 < upgrdman> dude. just buy china encloude on ebay for like $2
2016-01-02T05:16:27 < upgrdman> fucking beakimir
2016-01-02T05:16:35 < kakimir> is there search by pcb size or hole placing?
2016-01-02T05:16:36 < dongs> lewl
2016-01-02T05:16:42 < dongs> no you moron
2016-01-02T05:16:43 < kakimir> for enclosures
2016-01-02T05:16:49 < dongs> you make your PCB to match the fucking existing enclosure
2016-01-02T05:17:00 < kakimir> it's not mine
2016-01-02T05:17:02 < dongs> assfuckingburgers
2016-01-02T05:17:20 < kakimir> it's blender learnings anyways
2016-01-02T05:17:28 < kakimir> today learned more
2016-01-02T05:17:40 < kakimir> some advanced selection tools
2016-01-02T05:17:48 < kakimir> pro
2016-01-02T05:18:42 < Laurenceb_> blender
2016-01-02T05:18:44 < Laurenceb_> arggggg
2016-01-02T05:19:15 < kakimir> so fun
2016-01-02T05:19:50 < kakimir> I lost my shit whit it 5years back but absolute grid snap kinda makes it usable
2016-01-02T05:20:19 < kakimir> npw
2016-01-02T05:21:16 < Laurenceb_> I use FreeCAD
2016-01-02T05:21:21 < kakimir> user interface makes littlebit more sense and
2016-01-02T05:21:33 < kakimir> I need to learn that nect
2016-01-02T05:21:35 < kakimir> next
2016-01-02T05:21:54 < Laurenceb_> its 100 times simpler than blender
2016-01-02T05:22:14 < kakimir> it is
2016-01-02T05:23:34 < kakimir> if I need machine part
2016-01-02T05:23:37 < kakimir> I cad
2016-01-02T05:25:03 < kakimir> but something like enclosure can be totally artistic apart from key dimensions
2016-01-02T05:25:16 < kakimir> and be crapmodeled
2016-01-02T05:26:27 < upgrdman> holy shit. HUGE flip cell phone  https://youtu.be/4_5Ptes0rfo?t=480
2016-01-02T05:27:33 < kakimir> I have seen this video
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2016-01-02T05:36:50 < jadew> me too
2016-01-02T05:37:13 < jadew> don't know why tho
2016-01-02T05:37:25 < jadew> I never really cared about how the chinese make smartphones
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2016-01-02T05:59:40 < dongs> wow jameco actually has minidp sockets
2016-01-02T05:59:42 < dongs> too bad they're shit
2016-01-02T05:59:52 < dongs> http://www.jameco.com/1/1/4147-mdpc-s-ra-mini-displayport-receptacle-display-port.html
2016-01-02T06:00:50 < dongs> hm the china minidp i got is acutally same height as fullsize
2016-01-02T06:00:55 < dongs> all the other ones ive seen were taller
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2016-01-02T06:15:09 < PeterM> dafuq surely there is a minidp without the big blodck o nhte bottom
2016-01-02T06:15:53 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-02T06:15:55 < dongs> thats what i have
2016-01-02T06:16:10 < dongs> there's even taller ones
2016-01-02T06:16:19 < dongs> i think the shit from molex or someshit were like 13mm high
2016-01-02T06:16:21 < dongs> thx to block
2016-01-02T06:16:44 < dongs> i think the tall ones are some vesa standard thign for video card edge connectors
2016-01-02T06:16:53 < dongs> San Francisco police confirmed that Murdock was arrested the day before his death, saying he was yelling outside his residence. Police detained Murdock because he matched the description of a person that was reported to have been trying to break into a residence. Police say Murdock became violent when put in in the back of a patrol car.
2016-01-02T06:21:36 < PeterM> dongs, something like this http://bit.ly/1Oqa6Ew would be nice, you mill out a slot in pcb, and the minidisplayport mounts flush to the bottom of the board
2016-01-02T06:23:09 < kakimir> http://www.deagel.com/country/forecast.aspx cool forecasts
2016-01-02T06:24:21 < kakimir> dramatic figures for english speaking world
2016-01-02T06:26:42 < jadew> http://pastebin.com/yk8bgru5
2016-01-02T06:27:29 < dongs> PeterM: ohh, thats pretty cool
2016-01-02T06:28:25 < jadew> kakimir, I don't get those values
2016-01-02T06:28:33 < jadew> is that x $1000?
2016-01-02T06:28:41 < kakimir> I think it is
2016-01-02T06:29:18 < jadew> why is china spending so much on its military?
2016-01-02T06:29:20 < jadew> that's crazy...
2016-01-02T06:29:42 < jadew> I guess they're stocking on planes & other expensive items
2016-01-02T06:30:11 < upgrdman> jadew, do you not watch/read any news? "south china sea" etc.
2016-01-02T06:30:19 < upgrdman> china wants to project power :)
2016-01-02T06:30:24 < PeterM> wow, straya gets shat on pretty fast
2016-01-02T06:30:31 < kakimir> it's all situation down there
2016-01-02T06:30:40 < kakimir> china sea area
2016-01-02T06:31:14 < kakimir> and they also hate japs that are making their own army now
2016-01-02T06:31:42 < jadew> Japan still has an army?
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2016-01-02T06:31:57 < kakimir> it's making it's own army now
2016-01-02T06:32:01 < jadew> I thought there are no more people born there, are they WW2 veterans?
2016-01-02T06:32:15 < kakimir> propably
2016-01-02T06:32:24 < kakimir> or suicidal tenagers
2016-01-02T06:32:39 < PeterM> nah japangs armys all robutts
2016-01-02T06:32:47 < dongs> http://www.lotes.cc/shop/webpage!product_view.action?goodsSn=ADIS0007-P****
2016-01-02T06:32:48 < dongs> lols
2016-01-02T06:33:10 < jadew> the average age on dongs' block is 60 and the general sexual orientation is animofile
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2016-01-02T06:33:46 < PeterM> dongie i dun geddit
2016-01-02T06:33:48 < dongs> http://www.lotes.cc/shop/webpage!product_view.action?goodsSn=ADIS0015-P***
2016-01-02T06:33:50 < dongs> awesome
2016-01-02T06:33:54 < dongs> check that one
2016-01-02T06:34:11 < PeterM> thats oen is fukken weird
2016-01-02T06:34:18 < kakimir> thats cute
2016-01-02T06:34:28 < kakimir> make it slimmer?
2016-01-02T06:34:32 < PeterM> it takes up space on BOTH sides of the board, so you can mount either side of the board somehwat flush
2016-01-02T06:34:48 < jadew> it's for mechanical strength ans slimness
2016-01-02T06:34:50 < dongs> it ends up mostly centered on teh board
2016-01-02T06:34:56 < dongs> see datasheet
2016-01-02T06:34:59 < jadew> yeah
2016-01-02T06:35:04 < dongs> pretty cool
2016-01-02T06:35:05 < jadew> you get to push on the PCB
2016-01-02T06:35:07 < jadew> which is good
2016-01-02T06:35:19 < upgrdman> LOTES is a weird name
2016-01-02T06:35:28 < upgrdman> whatever floats thair lotes, i guess
2016-01-02T06:35:32 < upgrdman> their
2016-01-02T06:35:41 < PeterM> thar
2016-01-02T06:35:43 < dongs> http://www.lotes.cc/shop/webpage!product_view.action?goodsSn=ADIS0027-P*** this is the china thing I geuss
2016-01-02T06:36:08 < PeterM> i guess
2016-01-02T06:36:20 < upgrdman> whats diff between tbolt and minidp?
2016-01-02T06:36:49 < dongs> none
2016-01-02T06:37:01 < dongs> crapple/intel called it thunderdong
2016-01-02T06:37:04 < upgrdman> srsly?
2016-01-02T06:37:05 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-02T06:37:19 < dongs> or apple called it wahtever, intel called it thunderdong
2016-01-02T06:37:27 < dongs> its standartized by vesa
2016-01-02T06:37:37 < dongs> the pinout + dimensions
2016-01-02T06:37:37 < PeterM> thundercock?
2016-01-02T06:37:39 < upgrdman> cool. good thing i kept my fapple tbolt gigE adapter. might be able to use it with my surface bro 4
2016-01-02T06:38:31 < PeterM> upgrdman, unless it is specifically stated its  a TB port, it probably only has teh dp lines hooked up
2016-01-02T06:38:46 < upgrdman> oh :(
2016-01-02T06:38:55 < dongs> yeah you need a pcie/dp switch thingy
2016-01-02T06:40:42 < dongs> lotes doesnt provide pcb footprints
2016-01-02T06:40:44 < dongs> fuck that noise
2016-01-02T06:41:24 < dongs> oh but they have usb-c stuff
2016-01-02T06:41:25 < upgrdman> "we make connectors. you figure out how to use them."
2016-01-02T06:41:36 < dongs> ive bene looking for cheap sourceo f that also
2016-01-02T06:42:47 < PeterM> JAE BRU
2016-01-02T06:43:00 < PeterM> GLORIOUS NIPPON CONNECTARDS
2016-01-02T06:43:04 < dongs> no fuck that shit
2016-01-02T06:46:04 < PeterM> that fun to deal with huh?
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2016-01-02T07:00:46 < upgrdman> fpga pros: the Map step determines where things are physcially placed on chip, right? I thought that was PAR does.
2016-01-02T07:02:31 < dongs> speaking of fpga pros
2016-01-02T07:26:43 < upgrdman> all the fpga pros must be busy fapping to zeptobars
2016-01-02T07:28:08 < PeterM> whyssat?
2016-01-02T07:28:21 < upgrdman> http://zeptobars.ru/
2016-01-02T07:28:39 < PeterM> i said whys that
2016-01-02T07:28:43 < PeterM> not whats that
2016-01-02T07:28:55 < upgrdman> i dunno. cause no one replied :)
2016-01-02T07:28:57 < PeterM> it hasnt had anything interesting for months
2016-01-02T07:29:11 < PeterM> im waitin  on dongss GD chips to rock up
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2016-01-02T08:38:09 < dongs> since astonerberg is not a FPGA pro i m not sure why tyoure linkinga
2016-01-02T08:38:18 < dongs> also waht the fuck with stonerbars not decapping my GD32 shit yet
2016-01-02T08:39:21 < PeterM> i sent in a few of LTs 'spensive switchers to see what is going on inside em, nothing on them either
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2016-01-02T08:41:36 < PeterM> i sent in one of these http://www.linear.com/product/LT8490 because i think some weird shit is going on in there
2016-01-02T08:42:51 < dongs> good
2016-01-02T08:42:54 < dongs> lets hope something happens.
2016-01-02T08:43:06 < dongs> i dont wanna feel liek a cock so im not poking him evey day
2016-01-02T08:43:24 < PeterM> i doubt antying will happen, i sent these fuckin ages ago
2016-01-02T09:28:34 < upgrdman> found kakimir http://imgur.com/otf9NmN
2016-01-02T09:31:22 < dongs> "how they're made"
2016-01-02T09:32:02 < upgrdman> ya i know. found it on r/ece
2016-01-02T09:32:10 < PeterM> upgrdman, the glasses say kakimir, the facial hair +  hair says spanish inquisition
2016-01-02T09:32:13 < upgrdman> that subshittit it great for this kind of retardation
2016-01-02T09:32:26 < upgrdman> ya
2016-01-02T09:34:35 < dongs> why dont you innovatae instead of retardate
2016-01-02T09:35:03 < upgrdman> me? im actually innovating a tutorial for Lattice Diamond. plan to innovate both a text tutorial and youtube video
2016-01-02T09:36:47 < upgrdman> fpgas are one of those things where i play with them for a month and learn a lot, then shelve them for a year, and when i need them again i have to relearn all the basics. figured i might as well start documenting to save myself from future pain
2016-01-02T09:37:17 < PeterM> http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1449278211430.webm
2016-01-02T09:37:59 < upgrdman> beautiful
2016-01-02T09:38:47 < PeterM> http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1449587883611.webm
2016-01-02T09:39:35 < upgrdman> where u finding this gold
2016-01-02T09:39:59 < PeterM> http://boards.4chan.org/wsg/thread/852736
2016-01-02T09:40:11 < PeterM> http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1449588108169.webm
2016-01-02T09:48:31 < ReadError> every time imgur links are posted, i always end up here and hungry http://i.imgur.com/1hF7tcF.jpg
2016-01-02T09:49:35 < PeterM> what
2016-01-02T09:50:19 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/gallery/3TiTb from <upgrdman> found kakimir http://imgur.com/otf9NmN
2016-01-02T09:50:58 < jadew> we have very different interests
2016-01-02T09:51:28 < jadew> I always end up in the NSFW categories
2016-01-02T09:52:50 < upgrdman> ya me too
2016-01-02T09:52:55 < upgrdman> food is shit you buy, not make
2016-01-02T09:52:57 < upgrdman> j/k
2016-01-02T09:53:21 < ReadError> yea but its 3am and those look good right now
2016-01-02T09:53:36 < upgrdman> then fap and go to bed?
2016-01-02T09:53:54 < ReadError> not tired
2016-01-02T09:53:57 < ReadError> upgrdman help
2016-01-02T09:54:00 < ReadError> i tried that mask
2016-01-02T09:54:01 < PeterM> ReadError, just get in your car and drive to dominos or some shit
2016-01-02T09:54:07 < ReadError> and it wouldnt stick ;(
2016-01-02T09:54:11 < upgrdman> ReadError, :(
2016-01-02T09:54:21 < upgrdman> laminator weak?
2016-01-02T09:54:28 < ReadError> i have it on 5mil
2016-01-02T09:54:38 < upgrdman> oh YOU PEELED THE FUCKING PROTECTIVE FILM OFF RIGHT?!
2016-01-02T09:54:54 < ReadError> well the bottom didnt seem to have anything
2016-01-02T09:54:59 < upgrdman> LOL
2016-01-02T09:55:01 < upgrdman> it does
2016-01-02T09:55:03 < ReadError> the top has some film
2016-01-02T09:55:06 < upgrdman> both do
2016-01-02T09:55:11 < upgrdman> theres your problem :)
2016-01-02T09:55:16 < upgrdman> here's how to peel it
2016-01-02T09:55:18 < ReadError> buttom looks matte though, i couldnt find anything to peal
2016-01-02T09:55:22 < ReadError> i tried tape
2016-01-02T09:56:15 < upgrdman> ReadError, https://youtu.be/AHNv0eOq7Rk?t=118
2016-01-02T09:57:15 < ReadError> ohh
2016-01-02T09:57:36 < ReadError> so the peel off stuff is matte i guess
2016-01-02T09:57:50 < ReadError> that explains it
2016-01-02T09:57:57 < upgrdman> and and you peel off glossy after exposing it
2016-01-02T09:58:15 < upgrdman> watch that video. it's me. i practically hold your dick and walk you through the whole process.
2016-01-02T09:58:56 < ReadError> is your laminator in reverse?
2016-01-02T09:59:06 < upgrdman> no
2016-01-02T09:59:09 < upgrdman> no mods
2016-01-02T09:59:35 < jadew> looks like too much work
2016-01-02T09:59:49 < jadew> I'll just let my boards slowly degrade
2016-01-02T10:00:19 < upgrdman> ya i usually just tin plate and call it a day
2016-01-02T10:00:37 < PeterM> jsut get some generic spray on clear coat
2016-01-02T10:00:37 < upgrdman> but sometimes its nice to make a quality prototype
2016-01-02T10:00:37 < jadew> someone showed me what they're doing, quick & dirty
2016-01-02T10:00:52 < PeterM> once its assembeled clear coat it
2016-01-02T10:01:33 < jadew> he diluted some flux and it's just applying it on the board
2016-01-02T10:01:49 < jadew> saw some boards that were many years old they looked like new
2016-01-02T10:02:55 < jadew> doesn't look as nice, but seem to keep the copper from oxidizing
2016-01-02T10:03:06 < jadew> *seems
2016-01-02T10:03:44 < ReadError> upgrdman so the top film only peels after exposure ?
2016-01-02T10:03:49 < upgrdman> yes
2016-01-02T10:04:22 < upgrdman> ReadError, https://youtu.be/AHNv0eOq7Rk?t=560
2016-01-02T10:04:45 < ReadError> ya just got to that part
2016-01-02T10:04:46 < PeterM> i just use some of this http://i.imgur.com/qlytnKH.jpg
2016-01-02T10:05:16 < upgrdman> nice
2016-01-02T10:06:16 < jadew> it's official, they made the chinese obsolete: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s07POCeofK4
2016-01-02T10:06:34 < upgrdman> only if that machine is free
2016-01-02T10:06:45 < jadew> can probably work longer hours
2016-01-02T10:06:53 < PeterM> only if that machine were like 100x faster
2016-01-02T10:07:07 < jadew> PeterM, it's still regular soldering
2016-01-02T10:07:15 < jadew> so the pad has to get hot
2016-01-02T10:07:23 < PeterM> yes, and?
2016-01-02T10:07:39 < jadew> I don't know, it's probably needed for good joints
2016-01-02T10:07:46 < upgrdman> jadew, china has PEOPLE. LOTS OF THEM. working long hours is NOT a problem they have
2016-01-02T10:08:14 < jadew> upgrdman, yeah, but this machine probably costs less than what a guy earns in a year
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2016-01-02T10:08:16 < upgrdman> they can solve that by throwing more people at a problem. done. and cheap.
2016-01-02T10:08:32 < jadew> and it can do double the work
2016-01-02T10:08:56 < upgrdman> jadew, selective soldering machines have been around for decades
2016-01-02T10:09:06 < upgrdman> 3rd world girls are cheaper.
2016-01-02T10:09:12 < jadew> heh
2016-01-02T10:09:27 < PeterM> infected girls do it better
2016-01-02T10:09:29 < upgrdman> not joking
2016-01-02T10:09:31 < PeterM> wait
2016-01-02T10:10:06 < dongs> laughing out loud
2016-01-02T10:10:17 < upgrdman> lol  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcOhd9ikNAw
2016-01-02T10:10:46 < dongs> haha
2016-01-02T10:11:05 < dongs> why is his hand in teh path
2016-01-02T10:11:13 < dongs> is that not xray shit?
2016-01-02T10:11:17 < upgrdman> because intellegence
2016-01-02T10:11:24 < upgrdman> dont think so
2016-01-02T10:11:55 < dongs> lol @ frozen assdroid
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2016-01-02T10:13:55 < upgrdman> wow that guy does lots of neat shit   https://www.youtube.com/user/zilipoper/videos
2016-01-02T10:14:04 < dongs> yeah no
2016-01-02T10:14:06 < dongs> fuck youtube
2016-01-02T10:14:10 < dongs> start innovating
2016-01-02T10:14:26 < upgrdman> buts it my 4day weekend
2016-01-02T10:14:31 < upgrdman> innovating can wait
2016-01-02T10:15:14 < jadew> upgrdman, if by neat stuff you mean tesla coil stuff
2016-01-02T10:16:14 < upgrdman> :/
2016-01-02T10:16:19 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nugHNly3C5A why does he have shit on his hands?
2016-01-02T10:16:32 < dongs> he's doing arm tutorial
2016-01-02T10:16:41 < upgrdman> lol wtf
2016-01-02T10:16:49 < PeterM> dongs different video
2016-01-02T10:16:57 < PeterM> but >i get that refrence
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2016-01-02T10:19:07 < jadew> I think tesla coils went out style at the turn of the century
2016-01-02T10:19:15 < jadew> the one before the last one
2016-01-02T10:20:42 < upgrdman> lol  https://gfycat.com/RightEnviousBullmastiff
2016-01-02T10:21:36 < dongs> i dont get it
2016-01-02T10:21:44 < dongs> is that the reference to just deal with it?
2016-01-02T10:22:00 < jadew> the bomb spins
2016-01-02T10:22:09 < upgrdman> no just some dumb ruskie that nearly blew his ass off
2016-01-02T10:22:24 < jadew> not his fault tho
2016-01-02T10:22:45 < upgrdman> i know. im just waiting for rtwocom to chime in and bitch me out.
2016-01-02T10:22:45 < dongs> http://xn--d-bga.su/dial.gif
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2016-01-02T10:44:22 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/AbzXm9y.gifv
2016-01-02T10:46:18 < upgrdman> also http://i.imgur.com/QPHT7zg.gifv
2016-01-02T10:46:35 < dongs> #1 = old as fuck
2016-01-02T10:46:39 < dongs> #2 = wahtever
2016-01-02T10:46:43 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-02T10:47:37 < upgrdman> lolwut http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c5c_1451639045
2016-01-02T10:49:26 < dongs> unfunny american tv
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2016-01-02T11:17:05 < upgrdman> found some adapters that go from TRRS connector to headpone + mic connectors. how would that work. dont mic's with normal TRS connector need a 5V bias?
2016-01-02T11:18:54 < PeterM> upgrdman, im nto sure what you're getting at
2016-01-02T11:19:31 < upgrdman> like this http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XCY87AG?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=A21QX3PEKSFI3Z
2016-01-02T11:19:42 < PeterM> ok
2016-01-02T11:19:44 < upgrdman> TRRS doesnt have a 5v bias pin
2016-01-02T11:19:51 < upgrdman> but TRS mic has 5v bias pin
2016-01-02T11:19:59 < PeterM> no
2016-01-02T11:20:01 < upgrdman> so how does that adapter work with no 5v bias
2016-01-02T11:20:38 < PeterM> thats not quite howq it works
2016-01-02T11:21:05 < PeterM> the mics with the 5v bias use the same wires for signal, they jsut ac couple the mic signal on top of the 5v bias
2016-01-02T11:21:18 < PeterM> and you cap decouple it back off at the toehr end
2016-01-02T11:21:25 < PeterM> still 2 wires
2016-01-02T11:21:45 < upgrdman> hmm ok
2016-01-02T11:21:57 < upgrdman> oh found this http://www.ediy.co.nz/site/images/185758.jpg
2016-01-02T11:22:07 < upgrdman> guess that'll work.
2016-01-02T11:33:57 < dongs> cool eagle diagram BRO
2016-01-02T11:34:02 < dongs> i fucking hate those colors
2016-01-02T12:08:20 < PeterM> upgrdman, usually, the mic is basically jsut a mosfet between the wires with the gate coupled to the capsule, as you speak the cap made by the gate lead coupled to the capsule moves, changing the gate capacitance, turnign the mosfet off-on, the 5v has say a 1k series resistor and the capacitively couple the audio off there
2016-01-02T12:17:57 < PaulFertser> Most common mics are of electret type, and they do not need biasing, strictly speaking.
2016-01-02T12:18:34 < ReadError> why cant there be a remote desktop thing worth a shit for linux ;(
2016-01-02T12:26:31 < artag> huh ? what's wrong with X11 ?
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2016-01-02T12:27:19 < PeterM> ReadError, surely there is some method for deatchign the desktop environment/window system etc and using it remotely
2016-01-02T12:27:21 < artag> far better than RDP, you can mix windows from multiple sources on the same desktop
2016-01-02T12:27:57 < ReadError> nothing is as good and responsive as RDP
2016-01-02T12:28:40 < artag> but it's so crude.
2016-01-02T12:28:53 < ReadError> crude? it works great
2016-01-02T12:29:26 < artag> it just copies the whole desktop. and it disables the machine it's copying
2016-01-02T12:29:46 < PeterM> disables the machine it's copying? since when?
2016-01-02T12:30:22 < artag> it only allows one session - the remote stops you running a local desktop
2016-01-02T12:31:23 < PeterM> incorrect. you can have one remote session and one console session before you need aditional licensing
2016-01-02T12:32:06 < artag> that's hardly generous :)
2016-01-02T12:32:54 < artag> by console do you mean a shell, or a full desktop ?
2016-01-02T12:32:55 < PeterM> yes, but it is quite functional, i mean, its difficult for mroe than two people to use the same console session at the same time
2016-01-02T12:33:01 < PeterM> a system console
2016-01-02T12:33:39 < upgrdman> tempted to buy a microphone for my pc. any comments? seems like there some usb ones and the usual headphone jack type.
2016-01-02T12:33:48 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7c0_1451633922 typical brussels activity
2016-01-02T12:33:51 < artag> I'm not sure what that means in a windows context. a command shell ?
2016-01-02T12:34:17 < dongs> upgrdman: USB only wtf
2016-01-02T12:34:23 < upgrdman> dongs, i already tweet that. like yesterday. old.
2016-01-02T12:34:25 < dongs> does anyone actually use audio jacks on the back
2016-01-02T12:34:28 < dongs> of PCs
2016-01-02T12:34:36 < dongs> mine's been unused for years
2016-01-02T12:34:37 < PeterM> dongs yes
2016-01-02T12:34:39 < upgrdman> dongs, ? so you prefer usb
2016-01-02T12:34:40 < dongs> really
2016-01-02T12:34:43 < dongs> for waht?
2016-01-02T12:34:47 < upgrdman> mic
2016-01-02T12:34:48 < dongs> i have dell USB sound bar thing
2016-01-02T12:34:50 < dongs> under my monitor
2016-01-02T12:34:54 < dongs> upgrdman: er yeah you should go for usb
2016-01-02T12:34:58 < dongs> cuz they'll have proper amp and shit
2016-01-02T12:35:06 < dongs> and some cheap usb audio thing for converting
2016-01-02T12:35:07 < upgrdman> oh ok
2016-01-02T12:35:20 < dongs> if you want a proper mic analog mic they'll only come wiht xlr
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2016-01-02T12:35:28 < dongs> and you'll need phantom power supply and amp and shit
2016-01-02T12:35:34 < dongs> so just buy onew of those cheap <$100 blogging usb mics
2016-01-02T12:35:37 < PeterM> >implying $2 usb audio codec is better than built in $2 pci audio codec
2016-01-02T12:35:47 < dongs> PeterM: its the shit in fornt of it that will matter
2016-01-02T12:35:51 < dongs> and no , not a tall
2016-01-02T12:35:54 < dongs> er at all
2016-01-02T12:36:11 < dongs> upgrdman: are you going pro-podcasting
2016-01-02T12:36:16 < PeterM> well then you can't compare if you say its the shit infront of it that will matter
2016-01-02T12:37:05 < upgrdman> dongs, not "pro" but this new surface bro 4 gets hot when im doing screenrecording (4k downscaled to 1080p) and the internal mic becomes fucking useless when the fan kicks in :)
2016-01-02T12:37:20 < dongs> http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/wired_mics/b8dd84773f83092c/
2016-01-02T12:37:24 < dongs> this is a pretty high end blogging mic
2016-01-02T12:37:36 < upgrdman> i've been using my cellphone to record audio but it's a pain so might as well buy a mic if theyre not too much
2016-01-02T12:37:55 < dongs> or http://www.samsontech.com/samson/products/microphones/usb-microphones/q2u/
2016-01-02T12:38:11 < dongs> that set is cheaper than audiotechnica
2016-01-02T12:38:56 < dongs> http://www.samsontech.com/samson/products/microphones/usb-microphones/q1u/ there you go.
2016-01-02T12:39:06 < upgrdman> this things looks full retard  http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Microphones-Snowball-Condenser-Microphone/dp/B006DIA77E/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1451731113&sr=8-5&keywords=usb+microphone
2016-01-02T12:39:24 < PeterM> it is
2016-01-02T12:39:56 < dongs> you need one of those pro mics wiht a shock mount and breath filter in front of it
2016-01-02T12:39:57 < PaulFertser> ReadError: consider nx as an "rdp replacement".
2016-01-02T12:40:14 < dongs> pop filter
2016-01-02T12:40:22 < PeterM> it is too omnidirectional, without noise cancellation you'll pick up so much shit
2016-01-02T12:40:33 < dongs> http://www.americanmusical.com/Galleria/1/ROD%20SM6_M-Large.jpg
2016-01-02T12:40:34 < dongs> like this
2016-01-02T12:40:34 < ReadError> PaulFertser it does some odd stuff
2016-01-02T12:40:43 < ReadError> with synergy, modifier keys are not passed
2016-01-02T12:40:49 < dongs> gift yourself this with your first $1000 from jewtube profits
2016-01-02T12:40:54 < upgrdman> dongs, ya that's way more than i give a fuck to deal with
2016-01-02T12:41:07 < upgrdman> i was looking at some $20 lapell mics
2016-01-02T12:41:49 < PaulFertser> ReadError: vnc allows detaching/attaching but vnc hogs bandwidth. I was told NX works nice and fast.
2016-01-02T12:42:22 < ReadError> its over gigabit
2016-01-02T12:42:30 < ReadError> so bandwidth isnt an issue
2016-01-02T12:42:52 < dongs> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/NT2000/ here you go upgrdman
2016-01-02T12:43:04 < upgrdman> 600. lol
2016-01-02T12:43:05 < dongs> jk
2016-01-02T12:43:13 < dongs> anyawy,  those 2 i linked are pretty pro for blogging
2016-01-02T12:43:14 < ReadError> *never* order from sweetwater
2016-01-02T12:43:22 < dongs> and you can use XLR end later when you go even more pro and get a mixer
2016-01-02T12:43:23 < ReadError> you will get nonstop phonecalls and emails
2016-01-02T12:43:33 < PeterM> vnc always seems fuckign slow for some reason
2016-01-02T12:43:42 < dongs> VNC is garbage
2016-01-02T12:44:34 < upgrdman> dongs, you a pro vlogger or something?
2016-01-02T12:44:39 < dongs> http://blog.naver.com/nice8196/220563414147
2016-01-02T12:45:30 < PeterM> hes a jap, hes all into the camera shit and as a result the microphone shti too
2016-01-02T12:46:13 < PeterM> or atleast thats the impression that i get
2016-01-02T12:48:52 < upgrdman> that samson q1u... wtf is a "dynamic" mic
2016-01-02T12:49:32 < PeterM> condensor mics work off varyign capacitance, dynamic mics work off induced currents form a moving magnet
2016-01-02T12:49:56 < ReadError> X11 seems much better
2016-01-02T12:50:11 < ReadError> but doesnt seem to want to run in a window
2016-01-02T12:50:16 < upgrdman> so dynamic is like a magnet sliding in/out of a coil?
2016-01-02T12:50:22 < PeterM> yeah
2016-01-02T12:50:26 < upgrdman> so like a speaker?
2016-01-02T12:50:32 < PeterM> bingo
2016-01-02T12:50:41 < upgrdman> they better or what
2016-01-02T12:51:14 < PeterM> they are less prone to feedback
2016-01-02T12:52:58 < upgrdman> dongs, got any recommendations for a lapel mic?
2016-01-02T12:53:04 < artag> ReadError: there may be an X server that runs in a window, but if I want to separate sessions from the local ones i'd normally just open them in another desktop screen
2016-01-02T12:53:24 < PeterM> upgrdman, what are you using now?
2016-01-02T12:53:31 < upgrdman> my cell phone :)
2016-01-02T12:53:43 < upgrdman> prop'd up against my kybd
2016-01-02T12:53:55 < PeterM> in that case pretty much any lapel pic is gonna be better
2016-01-02T12:54:00 < PeterM> mic*
2016-01-02T12:54:03 < upgrdman> inorite
2016-01-02T12:54:26 < artag> is there a mic in your webcam ?
2016-01-02T12:54:53 < upgrdman> yes but laptop, so when fan turns on, mic is trashed
2016-01-02T12:55:00 < PeterM> dont use a webcam mic, too omnidirectional, you'll pick up so much background noise unless you have real strong agc
2016-01-02T12:56:31 < upgrdman> hmmm not many usb lapel mics. guess i could go TRRS and hope it's decent on the surface bro 4 adc
2016-01-02T12:57:01 < PeterM> upgrdman, it'll be fine
2016-01-02T12:58:41 < PeterM> make sure you get a lapel mic thats clip has a bit of a vibration isolation thing so it doesn't make a shitload of nise when the cord rubs
2016-01-02T12:58:52 < upgrdman> lolwut. "hassaneiser" brand. lol. i wonder how many people think its a sennheiser  http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Microphone-Hessaneiser-Omnidirectional-Smartphones/dp/B017DWVDJE/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1451732283&sr=8-10&keywords=lapel+microphone
2016-01-02T13:01:01 < upgrdman> why are their omni lapel mics? isnt the whole point of a lapel mic to ~only get audio from the person it's attached to?  http://www.amazon.com/Sony-ECMCS3-Omnidirectional-Stereo-Microphone/dp/B0058MJX4O/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1451732283&sr=8-5&keywords=lapel+microphone
2016-01-02T13:01:24 < PeterM> also, when you start using a lapel mic you'll probably have to put a sock/windscreen on it so when you breathe out you dont sound like an american
2016-01-02T13:01:52 < upgrdman> lol
2016-01-02T13:03:33 < dongs> upgrdman: you arent planning on using it wiht the 4pin connector on the bro right?
2016-01-02T13:03:42 < upgrdman> that or usb
2016-01-02T13:03:51 < upgrdman> no other choice
2016-01-02T13:04:29 < upgrdman> but i kinda want a lapel mic cause i have little room for a mic stand and i cant be holding it like a douche while im screencasting
2016-01-02T13:05:06 < PeterM> for $20 if its shit, throw it out and get something else, but it will be the biggest, cheapest upgrade from his phone mic
2016-01-02T13:05:54 < PeterM> oh, also do you have any monitors?
2016-01-02T13:06:02 < dongs> (monitor speakers)
2016-01-02T13:06:14 < upgrdman> not really
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2016-01-02T13:06:18 < PeterM> speakers, earphones, or iems
2016-01-02T13:06:21 < upgrdman> i have some nice sound 2.1 speakers
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2016-01-02T13:06:26 < upgrdman> and some nice earbuds
2016-01-02T13:06:31 < PeterM> >2.1
2016-01-02T13:06:40 < upgrdman> no surrond sound
2016-01-02T13:06:44 < dongs> i have amaze dell soundbar
2016-01-02T13:06:49 < upgrdman> but wtf for? just doing mono audio.
2016-01-02T13:07:27 < PeterM> you want something that has a somewhat flat response so you can hear what you actaully sound like
2016-01-02T13:07:47 < upgrdman> but why ">2.1"
2016-01-02T13:07:59 < PeterM> oh
2016-01-02T13:08:07 < PeterM> 2.1 systems are usually rubbish
2016-01-02T13:08:07 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121853475156
2016-01-02T13:08:14 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-02T13:08:43 < upgrdman> dongs, sweet price.
2016-01-02T13:08:44 < PeterM> usually if it requires the .1 the 2 are garbage, and since you ahve the 2 and the .1 you ahve nbo midrange
2016-01-02T13:10:19 < PeterM> if it requires the sub for the bass, then the 2 satekkute speakers are probably garbage, and since oyu ahve garbage satellite speakers and a sub, you have no midrange
2016-01-02T13:10:38 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-02T13:10:42 < PeterM> https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=8323 incredibly good value for money monitoring headphones
2016-01-02T13:11:24 < upgrdman> well they some old logitech 2.1's and i dunno why but honestly they sounds better than ANYTHING else i've heard. like better than theatre setups. maybe im just deaf.
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2016-01-02T13:12:34 < PeterM> the phones i linked are on sale, they're like $16 jsut buy em
2016-01-02T13:12:47 < upgrdman> this is what i have http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Z2200-Computer-Speaker-System/dp/B0000C20T5/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8
2016-01-02T13:13:19 < upgrdman> oh shit
2016-01-02T13:13:32 < upgrdman> i forgot all about my sennheisers. i have some hd280 pros
2016-01-02T13:13:59 < upgrdman> have not used them since i got my earbuds
2016-01-02T13:14:35 < PeterM> i wouldn't really recommend hd280s as monitors, they aren't flat at all, they have big bass
2016-01-02T13:14:44 < PeterM> what earbuds do oyu have
2016-01-02T13:15:33 < upgrdman> Klipsch Image X10
2016-01-02T13:17:02 < PeterM> they're much better monitors than the hd280s or your speakers
2016-01-02T13:17:49 < upgrdman> k
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2016-01-02T13:28:48 < timemob> used non standard screws for m2 ssd
2016-01-02T13:28:59 < timemob> wtf
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2016-01-02T13:38:59 < timemob> ... I think anus kills x1 slots to enable m2 ssd...
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2016-01-02T13:58:25 < timemob> finally shit is installing
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2016-01-02T14:42:27 < Steffanx> it seems mr timemob is having fun.
2016-01-02T14:42:36 < timemob> ya
2016-01-02T14:42:37 < timemob> tons
2016-01-02T14:42:59 < timemob> 2016 and sata drives don't hotplug
2016-01-02T14:43:28 < timemob> and win 10 decided that nobody needs to know size of updates being downloaded
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2016-01-02T15:06:05 < qyx> in 2016 people don't know what is MB
2016-01-02T15:06:55 < PeterM> context
2016-01-02T15:07:04 < qyx> 13:43 < timemob> and win 10 decided that nobody needs to know size of updates being downloaded
2016-01-02T15:07:13 < PeterM> ahh
2016-01-02T15:07:15 < timemob> ya :(
2016-01-02T15:07:19 < PeterM> yer
2016-01-02T15:07:23 < timemob> I fucked up anyway
2016-01-02T15:07:34 < timemob> there's msdn ISO of 1511 update
2016-01-02T15:07:42 < timemob> I should have installed that
2016-01-02T15:07:49 < timemob> I installed vanilla
2016-01-02T15:07:52 < timemob> aids
2016-01-02T15:08:01 < timemob> gonna redo
2016-01-02T15:12:56 < Steffanx> Doesn't microsoft provide free isos that are updated?
2016-01-02T15:13:08 < Steffanx> i thought they did that nowadays.
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2016-01-02T15:14:00 < timemob> I donno? I didn't look on msdn before installing and now I have to deal with AIDS
2016-01-02T15:14:02 < Steffanx> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO up to date to 1511 as well
2016-01-02T15:14:14 < Steffanx> at least its called ...1511_something.iso
2016-01-02T15:14:55 < timemob> right
2016-01-02T15:15:29 < Steffanx> Your welcome for this up to date news.
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2016-01-02T16:04:00 < kakimir> what is fukken wrong with my pc as every app opens not as full screen
2016-01-02T16:04:10 < kakimir> *enlarged
2016-01-02T16:04:30 < kakimir> fuuu
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2016-01-02T16:10:57 < timemob> what
2016-01-02T16:11:10 < timemob> apt-gwt uninstall lunix
2016-01-02T16:11:38 < kakimir> it's apt-get remoce
2016-01-02T16:12:00 < kakimir> *remorse
2016-01-02T16:12:19 < kakimir> apt-get remorse lunix
2016-01-02T16:13:06 < gordonjcp> hah
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2016-01-02T16:14:44 < gordonjcp> I should have a crack at building gcc-arm for Haiku, and stlink
2016-01-02T16:15:28 < timemob> haiwhat
2016-01-02T16:15:35 < timemob> is that the dead beos clone?
2016-01-02T16:15:46 < timemob> why the fuck would anyone care about that
2016-01-02T16:16:11 < timemob> open sores people assburger over the dumbest shit
2016-01-02T16:19:43 < kakimir> what is that plastic thin called that is between led and surface of enclosure?
2016-01-02T16:19:47 < kakimir> light guide?
2016-01-02T16:20:11 < Steffanx> yes
2016-01-02T16:20:26 < kakimir> sounds too new age
2016-01-02T16:20:47 < kakimir> too yoga shiet
2016-01-02T16:21:32 < kakimir> *light pipes also
2016-01-02T16:21:43 < gordonjcp> yeah, light pipe
2016-01-02T16:21:46 < gordonjcp> kakimir: <shrug>
2016-01-02T16:21:52 < gordonjcp> kakimir: because Linux is too mainstream
2016-01-02T16:22:07 < gordonjcp> sorry, timemob ^
2016-01-02T16:22:10 < Steffanx> building openocd too gordonjcp?
2016-01-02T16:22:19 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/For-International-Light-Festival-Retro-Industrial-Iron-Pipe-Pendant-Lamp-Fixture-/271939043024 that is cool
2016-01-02T16:22:22 < gordonjcp> Steffanx: not actually played with openocd at all
2016-01-02T16:22:33 < Steffanx> The only reason not to move to haiku.
2016-01-02T16:22:37 < Laurenceb_> http://ultraimg.com/images/10262239_10153179466717121_4893365763187626870_n.jpg
2016-01-02T16:22:39 < gordonjcp> Steffanx: it's on the list
2016-01-02T16:22:56 < gordonjcp> Laurenceb_: harsh :-)
2016-01-02T16:22:58 < timemob> old link is old
2016-01-02T16:24:26 < gordonjcp> this Windows 10 is a bit weird
2016-01-02T16:24:32 < gordonjcp> why is everything so blocky
2016-01-02T16:24:46 < Steffanx> More space efficient?
2016-01-02T16:24:53 < gordonjcp> bright colours and big square blocks, it's like GUIs in the 1980s
2016-01-02T16:24:59 < Steffanx> Rounded corners is a waste of useful space.
2016-01-02T16:25:03 < gordonjcp> someone really loved CDE
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2016-01-02T16:26:06 < gordonjcp> I wish Windows 10 was more Unixy, it would be like using Solaris back in the day
2016-01-02T16:26:26 < bloated> its designed for phones not desktops
2016-01-02T16:27:01 < bloated> microsoft wants to unify the desktop with the phonetop
2016-01-02T16:27:07 < gordonjcp> yeah
2016-01-02T16:27:13 < bloated> i hope they fuck themselves royally in the ass while trying to do so
2016-01-02T16:27:13 < gordonjcp> Canonical tried that
2016-01-02T16:27:38 < gordonjcp> which is why Unity Desktop was such a bag of fucks for the first few versions
2016-01-02T16:27:53 < gordonjcp> it's still a bag of fucks, but a much smaller faster bag of fucks
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2016-01-02T16:41:44 < englishman> ReadError: what's wrong with no machine? Rdp is garbage, it lags over 1gb lan
2016-01-02T16:42:13 < englishman> No machine even works on headless lunix once you dick with some shitty lunix textfiles
2016-01-02T16:42:22 < ReadError> englishman how it handles modifier keys
2016-01-02T16:42:31 < ReadError> windows -> synergy host
2016-01-02T16:42:37 < ReadError> using no machine on OSX
2016-01-02T16:42:39 < englishman> Really? Works on my machine
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2016-01-02T16:42:41 < englishman> Ah
2016-01-02T16:42:43 < ReadError> modifiers are not passed
2016-01-02T16:42:55 < englishman> Can you remap to some hotkey
2016-01-02T16:42:58 < ReadError> also you need RDP 8
2016-01-02T16:43:01 < englishman> I think I saw that
2016-01-02T16:43:05 < ReadError> with remotefx
2016-01-02T16:43:11 < ReadError> then its pro
2016-01-02T16:43:30 < englishman> No machine just worx tho, like proper software
2016-01-02T16:43:35 < englishman> No textfiles
2016-01-02T16:43:58 < ReadError> Xephyr works okay
2016-01-02T16:44:05 < ReadError> but it completely fucks my keymap
2016-01-02T16:44:10 < ReadError> '1' becomes 'e'
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2016-01-02T16:50:33 < timemob> lol lunix talk
2016-01-02T16:50:41 < timemob> k 1511 clean installed
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2016-01-02T16:51:28 < ReadError> win7 master race
2016-01-02T16:52:42 < Steffanx> vista
2016-01-02T16:53:08 < gordonjcp> I'm not nerdy enough to understand Windows
2016-01-02T16:53:29 < Steffanx> You prefer to play around in vi editting text files all day long.
2016-01-02T16:53:30 < gordonjcp> I just stick Linux on and it works
2016-01-02T16:53:53 < ReadError> haha watching last week tonight, older ep
2016-01-02T16:53:56 < ReadError> https://youtu.be/FTEOpEGvcKA?t=82
2016-01-02T16:53:57 < gordonjcp> I don't understand all this shit about updating my viruses and rebooting my drivers and shi that Windows folks seem to do all the time
2016-01-02T16:54:05 < ReadError> thats Mike from breaking bad lol
2016-01-02T16:54:55 < gordonjcp> ReadError: fucking hellfire
2016-01-02T16:54:59 < gordonjcp> with hair!
2016-01-02T17:00:23 < PeterM> i dont understand lunix, i mewan what even is 6?
2016-01-02T17:00:54 < timemob> lunix 6.0
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2016-01-02T17:39:42 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbENLcHNmMjg0UG8/view?usp=sharing
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2016-01-02T17:45:32 < ReadError> blender, forsrs?
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2016-01-02T17:59:41 < Steffanx> Fancy colours kakimir
2016-01-02T18:02:35 < kakimir> Matcap shader
2016-01-02T18:02:45 < kakimir> helps to visualize surfaces
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2016-01-02T18:06:21 < kakimir> advanced tools for pros
2016-01-02T18:06:43 < kakimir> I think cad programs are still using fixed pipelines and stuff
2016-01-02T18:06:52 < kakimir> opengl 1.6
2016-01-02T18:18:48 < kakimir> I need nice font for "USB ISOLATOR" engraved to enclosure top
2016-01-02T18:19:01 < kakimir> looking electric or kinda fast and stuff
2016-01-02T18:19:49 < kakimir> http://www.dafont.com/theme.php?cat=303 nice
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2016-01-02T18:21:44 < kakimir> http://www.dafont.com/falcon-punch.font?text=USB+ISOLATOR&back=theme there
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2016-01-02T18:30:08 < kakimir> too tilted
2016-01-02T18:30:12 < dongs> lol dongs
2016-01-02T18:32:55 < Steffanx> dongs opened the sexy category on dafonts.com?
2016-01-02T18:32:59 < Steffanx> -s
2016-01-02T18:33:20 < rewolff> exy?
2016-01-02T18:33:25 < rewolff> :-)
2016-01-02T18:34:04 < dongs> k win10 pretty good
2016-01-02T18:34:32 < dongs> i need to get my korean fonts reinstalled tho. looks like gulimche is missing, so my IRC font falls back to fucking courier fail
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2016-01-02T19:03:47 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKWURvYllDODdTdk0/view?usp=sharing there
2016-01-02T19:04:00 < kakimir> it's a shiet but whatever
2016-01-02T19:12:39 < ReadError> upgrdman thanks for holding my dick, i made it stick
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2016-01-02T20:44:06 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKWXdEVFJzdjktUWs/view?usp=sharing
2016-01-02T20:56:45 < Rob235> ugh I'm dumb
2016-01-02T20:56:49 < Rob235> :)
2016-01-02T21:17:44 < Steffanx> is it bad Rob235?
2016-01-02T21:18:53 < Rob235> hah nah actually it didn't fix the problem I was hoping
2016-01-02T21:18:58 < Rob235> just a stupid mistake
2016-01-02T21:19:05 < Rob235> not a big deal though
2016-01-02T21:19:51 < Rob235> I gotta figure out how to handle this quaternion
2016-01-02T21:22:30 < Rob235> from the dmp of my mpu9250
2016-01-02T21:22:37 < Rob235> accel/gyro fused
2016-01-02T21:22:54 < Rob235> I have it mostly working but I think I want to start over because somethings not right
2016-01-02T21:23:17 < Rob235> when computing pitch/roll/yaw from quat
2016-01-02T21:23:46 < Laurenceb_> http://2h3mh837ken53kitqv1co5fh83o.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/NIGHT-OF-THE-LEPUS-4.jpg
2016-01-02T21:36:08 < Rob235> yea, no idea how it computes them but thats not a big deal, its using the quat thats the problem for me right now
2016-01-02T21:40:42 < Rob235> http://pastebin.com/Wy1HVrqe
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2016-01-02T21:56:11 < Steffanx> What are you working on Rob235?
2016-01-02T21:56:24 < Steffanx> What's the goal of this all i mean
2016-01-02T21:56:26 < Rob235> flight controller for a hexacopter
2016-01-02T21:56:38 < Rob235> trying to get correct pitch/roll/yaw values
2016-01-02T22:01:39 < Laurenceb_> lol mpu
2016-01-02T22:01:57 < Laurenceb_> if you want to be a noob, use the ardupilot method
2016-01-02T22:02:45 < Rob235> whats wrong with the mpu?
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2016-01-02T22:04:43 < Laurenceb_> mega lame
2016-01-02T22:04:58 < Laurenceb_> if you want super pro then you could try the taulabs code
2016-01-02T22:05:07 < Laurenceb_> but that was unstable last time I used it
2016-01-02T22:05:30 < Laurenceb_> apparently peabody124 has worked his magic on it and it doesnt NaN as often now
2016-01-02T22:05:48 < Laurenceb_> what micro do you have?
2016-01-02T22:05:57 < Rob235> f4 discovery
2016-01-02T22:06:31 < Laurenceb_> taulabs will run at about 100hz on F1, 600hz on F3 and maybe a few khz on F4
2016-01-02T22:06:35 < Laurenceb_> ah you should be fine
2016-01-02T22:07:22 < Laurenceb_> well until you NaN NaN
2016-01-02T22:07:24 < Laurenceb_> Inf
2016-01-02T22:07:26 < Laurenceb_> NaN
2016-01-02T22:07:40 < Laurenceb_> welcome to my world
2016-01-02T22:08:08 < Rob235> and what are you saying about mpu is lame? using the dmp?
2016-01-02T22:08:12 < Laurenceb_> I'm talking about extended Kalman filters
2016-01-02T22:08:25 < Laurenceb_> for getting the correct attitude quaternion
2016-01-02T22:08:51 < Laurenceb_> https://ukhas.org.uk/code:7_state_ekf_with_bias
2016-01-02T22:09:01 < Laurenceb_> that might be worth playing with
2016-01-02T22:09:25 < Steffanx> !Laurenceb_ code alert!
2016-01-02T22:09:36 < Laurenceb_> thats basically what ardupilot are doing
2016-01-02T22:11:09 < Laurenceb_> only they do some uber optimised stuff with orientation matrices instead of using quaternions
2016-01-02T22:11:13 < Rob235> hmmm decisions decisions.  I spent so much time getting the dmp workign
2016-01-02T22:11:25 < Laurenceb_> so it can actually run at more than one iteration per century on avr
2016-01-02T22:13:22 < upgrdman> ReadError, cool
2016-01-02T22:19:43 < Rob235> someone write this for me, I don't feel like thinking right now :)
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2016-01-02T22:36:06 < karlp> was someone looking for me? I have a higlight, but not enough scrollback?
2016-01-02T22:36:39 < karlp> ah, looks like steffanx was commenting on my connection doing somethign weird.
2016-01-02T22:36:48 < karlp> it seems to be more stable now, but yeah, no idea what was going on there
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2016-01-02T22:48:47 < Steffanx> karlp, palmtree.beeroclock.net  seemed to be hosted @ linode
2016-01-02T22:49:05 < Steffanx> and linode enjoyed a ddos
2016-01-02T22:56:49 < karlp> yeah, I kinda presumed it some linode event, just wasn't paying much attention to it over the new year, just asw it had bounced a lot more than normal.
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2016-01-02T23:07:11 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=39004.0;attach=1091319
2016-01-02T23:07:15 < Laurenceb_> omg aliens
2016-01-02T23:07:47 < Rob235> wtf.  why is processing's site down? I cant find the installer anywhere else
2016-01-02T23:09:43 < Steffanx> processing?
2016-01-02T23:10:24 < Steffanx> The art toolkit?
2016-01-02T23:10:32 < Rob235> yea
2016-01-02T23:10:40 < Rob235> i want to use the teapot demo
2016-01-02T23:10:52 < Rob235> to test the quaternion
2016-01-02T23:13:40 < Sync> wat Laurenceb_
2016-01-02T23:14:10 < Laurenceb_> flying saucer
2016-01-02T23:14:27 < aandrew> electromagnetic thrust?
2016-01-02T23:14:50 < aandrew> that reminds me of that x-ray thruster that nasa is currently testing
2016-01-02T23:15:22 < aandrew> some crackpot outsider came up with it with outrageous claims and apparently they're not totally bogus
2016-01-02T23:15:41 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: how is uk today?
2016-01-02T23:16:06 < Laurenceb_> wet and cold
2016-01-02T23:16:08 < Laurenceb_> same as normal
2016-01-02T23:16:39 < Steffanx> is finnish land cold and snowy yet?
2016-01-02T23:17:47 < celeron55> finnish land is very cold but just a bit of snow
2016-01-02T23:18:24 < Steffanx> very cold as in < -15?
2016-01-02T23:19:50 < kakimir> something like -10
2016-01-02T23:19:53 < kakimir> and no snow
2016-01-02T23:19:57 < aandrew> http://inhabitat.com/nasa-confirms-the-impossible-propellant-free-microwave-thruster-for-spacecraft-works/
2016-01-02T23:19:58 < kakimir> nothing
2016-01-02T23:20:02 < kakimir> just frost
2016-01-02T23:20:03 < aandrew> not the best url but whatever
2016-01-02T23:20:19 < aandrew> EmDrive that was it
2016-01-02T23:20:41 < Laurenceb_> yes thats the EmDrive forum
2016-01-02T23:20:53 < Laurenceb_> they are all insane and its going to end up like zano
2016-01-02T23:21:03 < kakimir> I hope nasa sues those faggots soon
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2016-01-02T23:24:26 < Laurenceb_> 6 threads of that stuff
2016-01-02T23:25:48 < celeron55> why are there photos of the space shuttle on that article
2016-01-02T23:25:52 < celeron55> that makes no sense
2016-01-02T23:29:19 < kakimir> because it's crap article
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2016-01-02T23:33:48 < kakimir> I bet someone have invested money on this and now they are fabricating money rippin scam of it
2016-01-02T23:35:24 < rewolff> While the chinese team reported 720 milinewtons, the NASA scientists measured (converted to milinewtons) 0.0mN....
2016-01-02T23:35:29 < rewolff> They call that confirmation?
2016-01-02T23:35:48 < celeron55> lol
2016-01-02T23:35:51 < kakimir> pretty much
2016-01-02T23:37:33 < kakimir> pop open the champange!
2016-01-02T23:37:39 < kakimir> nasa confirmation!
2016-01-02T23:37:56 < kakimir> prepare to receive scam money
2016-01-02T23:38:26 < rewolff> (Ontopic....) Has anybody ever seen: ../../gdb/gdb/inline-frame.c:169: internal-error: inline_frame_this_id: Assertion `frame_id_p (*this_id)' failed.
2016-01-02T23:39:13 < rewolff> Managed to compile ST motorcontrol example, flashed it, but... doesn't seem to run.... Debugging with gdb results in nice core files of gdb......
2016-01-02T23:42:14 < Laurenceb_> wait wut
2016-01-02T23:42:16 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/george_sowers/status/683311289838342146
2016-01-02T23:42:22 < Laurenceb_> ULA hang out on that forum
2016-01-02T23:42:37 < Laurenceb_> USA is doomed
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2016-01-02T23:51:45 < upgrdman> so in chrome, if i middle-click a link to open it in a new tab without switching to that tab, that tab doesn't like "run" ... e.g. youtube video wont play until you click to that tab. any way to fix this?
2016-01-02T23:51:56 < karlp> rewolff: not recently, I used to crash gdb somewhat recently with older versions though..
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2016-01-02T23:56:23 < rewolff> Hmm. Ah! It seems it's stuck in a "while (1) {} " inside main();
2016-01-02T23:56:52 < rewolff> Got that by NOT loading the elf binary and just debugging at instruction level.
2016-01-02T23:57:26 < rewolff> Although the main loop was intended to have something in it. This is  a good hint as to what to do next....
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2016-01-03T00:06:59 < englishman> Lol aandrew, NASA gave it to their team that tests crackpot ideas to prove they are shit. And of course the media picked it up and ran with "omg NASA is using it, must be real"
2016-01-03T00:08:57 < upgrdman> wtf is going on here. seriously. anyone know?  http://i.imgur.com/Fgb7hHQ.gifv
2016-01-03T00:10:50 < celeron55> well, that thing probably cools stuff
2016-01-03T00:14:52 < artag> he was caught farting on the field
2016-01-03T00:16:51 < upgrdman> sweet. my macbook pro sold for $1350. that'll help pay for my new bro4
2016-01-03T00:18:08 < Laurenceb_> hahah wtf
2016-01-03T00:18:31 < Laurenceb_> looks like an anal-isis probe
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2016-01-03T00:20:10 < celeron55> maybe it's a new way to fix butthurt
2016-01-03T00:23:12 < Rob235> what is the best way to compute pitch/roll/yaw? with gyro/accel/mag and may/may not use quaternion output from dmp based on gyro/accel
2016-01-03T00:23:51 < gordonjcp> upgrdman: the fuck
2016-01-03T00:23:56 < gordonjcp> celeron55: haha
2016-01-03T00:27:22 < Steffanx> You are running the right gdb etc rewolff? (arm-none-eabi-gdb etc..)
2016-01-03T00:30:34 < Laurenceb_> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=942_1451388580
2016-01-03T00:33:03 < Sync> wot
2016-01-03T00:33:57 < englishman> Sync: how do you feel about becoming the next zeptobars
2016-01-03T00:35:18 < Sync> I'm not even close to the quality they do
2016-01-03T00:35:44 < Steffanx> sync makes nice photos of ics?
2016-01-03T00:35:51 < Steffanx> *dies
2016-01-03T00:36:23 < Sync> I'm trying to
2016-01-03T00:37:05 < Steffanx> And where are you sharing them, or not doing that yet?
2016-01-03T00:37:27 < Sync> I have one here http://sync-hv.de/~tmp/mcm6664_1.jpg
2016-01-03T00:51:54 < Steffanx> hmm, it's a start :)
2016-01-03T00:54:19 < englishman> I'm all about quality over quantity, but when your quantity is zero, you don't need a lot of quality to compete
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2016-01-03T01:55:24 < kakimir> rom chip?
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2016-01-03T02:06:21 < Sync> old ram
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2016-01-03T02:10:37 < upgrdman> is that a solder blob?
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2016-01-03T02:24:23 < Steffanx> *sodder
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2016-01-03T02:28:39 < Laurenceb_> today I discovered microscopic black hole energy storage is a thing
2016-01-03T02:38:26 < englishman> sounds like a great power source for emdrive
2016-01-03T02:43:06 < Laurenceb_> actually it sounds more likely to work than ITER
2016-01-03T02:43:16 < Laurenceb_> but then it could also be the ultimate MAD
2016-01-03T02:44:12 < Laurenceb_> maybe there is a large window where the hole cannot be contained yet it wouldn't be able to eat mass quickly enough at the centre of the earth to survive
2016-01-03T02:44:37 < Laurenceb_> http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/20813/how-would-a-black-hole-power-plant-work
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2016-01-03T04:14:14 < KreAture_Zzz> http://tinyletter.com/programming-beyond-practices/letters/the-sad-graph-of-software-death
2016-01-03T04:14:19 < KreAture_Zzz> Interesting
2016-01-03T04:14:34 < KreAture_Zzz> Can we automatically extract this graph from projects on github?
2016-01-03T04:14:46 < KreAture_Zzz> Let's see who is dying and try guessing when
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2016-01-03T04:42:20  * KreAture_Zzz asks github to implement historical issues count in the graphs
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2016-01-03T05:37:49 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/p94RvGx.gifv
2016-01-03T05:37:51 < dongs> upgrdman: ^
2016-01-03T05:37:59 < upgrdman> old
2016-01-03T05:38:03 < upgrdman> seent it like a year ago
2016-01-03T05:38:16 < upgrdman> but still brings a smile to my face :)
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2016-01-03T07:27:20 < dongs> holy fuck full-line highlithting of current line in vs2015 is rage-inducing as FUCK
2016-01-03T07:27:33 < dongs> almost as annoying as automatically adding } after typing } except I can actually d isable that
2016-01-03T07:28:15 < dongs> found, disabled
2016-01-03T07:28:16 < dongs> damn
2016-01-03T07:36:21 < ReadError> do they menus still yell at you IN ALL CAPS ?
2016-01-03T07:37:03 < dongs> nah
2016-01-03T07:37:07 < dongs> they got rid of that
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2016-01-03T08:08:09 < upgrdman> dongs, http://www.flower-tattoos-designs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/tattoo3.jpg
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2016-01-03T08:20:49 < upgrdman> :)  https://gfycat.com/GenerousHonorableImpala
2016-01-03T08:24:28 < upgrdman> anyone here that does GPU stuff (like OpenCL or whatever it's called) ... is it gpu agnostic? like can it run on nvidia or ati or some intel non-discrete gpu?
2016-01-03T08:24:43 < dongs> pretty sure any real optimization is hardware specific
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2016-01-03T08:29:14 < Amperture> Anyone familiar with I2C, Master Transmitter mode? I'm not sure which bit of which register I should be reading to wait for the ACK from the slave I'm writing to.
2016-01-03T08:31:17 < Amperture> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/DM00096844.pdf <-- my closest guess is the BTF
2016-01-03T08:35:24 < jpa-> Amperture: AF bit in SR1
2016-01-03T08:36:39 < Amperture> Hmm
2016-01-03T08:36:53 < Amperture> Interesting, so if I'm reading the AF bit description correctly
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2016-01-03T08:37:25 < Amperture> The system simply assumes that the ACK should be received, and goes on about its way unless it doesn't receive it.
2016-01-03T08:38:00 < Amperture> Though I suppose the user-software should read that bit either way, for security purposes.
2016-01-03T08:38:00 < jpa-> it's up to your code to check for it, yeah
2016-01-03T08:38:07 < jpa-> security?
2016-01-03T08:38:47 < Amperture> You know how in SPI and UART, there's a BUSY signal that's a good idea to check for before writing to the peripheral's DR/
2016-01-03T08:39:07 < jpa-> why would one check for busy, instead of just writing on TXE?
2016-01-03T08:39:45 < jpa-> none of these buses guarantee delivery; the ACK bit in I2C can just be used to do some fault recovery attempts or to report errors
2016-01-03T08:39:56 < Amperture> I guess the TxE is what I was talking about
2016-01-03T08:40:32 < jpa-> yes, it is necessary to check for TXE with usart, and with I2C you should check for it also
2016-01-03T08:40:53 < jpa-> AF is checking for whether you got ack or not
2016-01-03T08:41:05 < Amperture> Most of the time I see people put up more minimal implementations of serial peripherals, they usually find one signal to check-and-loop on to wait until they should either write to or read from the peripheral DR
2016-01-03T08:41:27 < jpa-> yeah, that's TXE :)   i now see what you were looking after in the original question
2016-01-03T08:41:53 < jpa-> (and RXNE is the one for reading)
2016-01-03T08:42:01 < Amperture> Appreciate it
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2016-01-03T18:14:45 < dongs> upgrdman: insanely old
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2016-01-03T18:29:01 < qyx> k, baking a bread
2016-01-03T18:29:09 < qyx> with a K-type thermocouple inside
2016-01-03T18:29:36 < qyx> expecting 6.5mV
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2016-01-03T18:33:25 < rewolff> 158C? Above room temp? 180? That'll caramelize all the sugars....
2016-01-03T18:38:16 < englishman> seems high
2016-01-03T18:39:55 < qyx> see http://www.jamieoliver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=49099 for exmple
2016-01-03T18:40:45 < englishman> external temps
2016-01-03T18:41:11 < qyx> yes, I meant inside the oven
2016-01-03T18:41:16 < englishman> Ah heh
2016-01-03T18:41:19 < qyx> not inside the bread
2016-01-03T18:41:31 < Steffanx> you didnt go jpa- style?
2016-01-03T18:42:17 < Steffanx> wireless.
2016-01-03T18:43:53 < qyx> nah, no
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2016-01-03T18:44:50 < rewolff> oven at 180 seems right. I did interpret "inside" as "inside the bread". My bad.
2016-01-03T18:46:12 < Laurenceb_> lol Jamie Oliver
2016-01-03T18:46:58 < Laurenceb_> the UK version of Steven Hammond
2016-01-03T18:47:36 < Laurenceb_> only in his case he also sets fire to railway lines
2016-01-03T18:48:03 < Laurenceb_> probably only became a chef because he is a crazy pyro
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2016-01-03T18:50:29 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D96TWllOUg oh noez
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2016-01-03T19:31:28 < Sync> he does Laurenceb_? cool
2016-01-03T19:32:02 < Laurenceb_> he used to have a "reality" series called Jamies Farm
2016-01-03T19:32:26 < Laurenceb_> they were burning grass and predictably it got out of control
2016-01-03T19:32:46 < Laurenceb_> he also always seems to manage to set stuff on fire in his programs
2016-01-03T19:32:52 < Laurenceb_> it can't be a coincidence
2016-01-03T19:33:24 < Sync> oh haha
2016-01-03T19:34:21 < Laurenceb_> closed a major railway line and motorway
2016-01-03T19:34:25 < Sync> I used to watch his show when it aired at late night
2016-01-03T19:34:28 < Sync> haha wow
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2016-01-03T22:35:50 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Jones_%28radio_host%29#/media/File:AlexJonesWithFans.jpg
2016-01-03T22:35:57 < Laurenceb_> lol Creative Commons
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2016-01-03T22:52:54 < ReadError> ermm why are you looking at pics of alex jones you creep
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2016-01-03T22:57:35 < upgrdman> those of you on windows: what irc client do you like (or hate least) ?
2016-01-03T23:00:25 < ReadError> mIRC
2016-01-03T23:00:27 < ReadError> OG as fuck
2016-01-03T23:00:45 < ReadError> people like hexchat tho
2016-01-03T23:02:40 < upgrdman> dongs, that qualcomm quad vid. wtf... whoever edited that video and did the effects needs to be sodomized.
2016-01-03T23:02:44 < kakimir> irssi
2016-01-03T23:02:59 < kakimir> non local
2016-01-03T23:03:37 < upgrdman> im using hexchat and like it
2016-01-03T23:03:38 < upgrdman> but
2016-01-03T23:03:47 < upgrdman> it doesnt support smooth scrolling, which pisses me off
2016-01-03T23:03:57 < upgrdman> i have a high res scroll wheel
2016-01-03T23:04:08 < ReadError> kakimir, zip it you hipster lunix user
2016-01-03T23:08:02 < celeron55> lol that qualcomm video
2016-01-03T23:08:20 < celeron55> i guess marketing ICs on youtube is kind of challenging
2016-01-03T23:09:26 < celeron55> it's succesful though because i ended up watching it
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2016-01-03T23:10:47 < Laurenceb_> ok gurus
2016-01-03T23:10:57 < Laurenceb_> where can I find a sort of intelligent diff?
2016-01-03T23:11:18 < Laurenceb_> I want it to find the functions with the same names and diff them
2016-01-03T23:11:34 < Laurenceb_> regular diff is struggling and can't produce readable outputs for me
2016-01-03T23:12:21 < albru123> I'm now using HexChat, but Nettalk was fine, despite using ugly GUI probably due to being outdated
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2016-01-03T23:41:10 < karlp> Laurenceb_: thsi is why you make patch series' :)
2016-01-03T23:47:09 < kakimir> imagine 1k user channel where everybody used desktop client
2016-01-03T23:47:26 < kakimir> joins and parts like constant scroller
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2016-01-03T23:48:56 < kakimir> handful of them had a bad connection and there would be 3fullscreen pages of their bouncing between every chat
2016-01-03T23:49:57 < kakimir> meanwhile irssi user joins only after server crashed
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2016-01-03T23:52:26 < karlp> kakimir: people use irssi from their desktops too you know, not just from remote always on shells
2016-01-03T23:52:37 < karlp> also, just tell your client to ignore joins/parts/quits
2016-01-03T23:53:03 < kakimir> but then you don't know when dongs arrives
2016-01-03T23:53:21 < karlp> d<tab>
2016-01-03T23:53:51 < Steffanx> irssi cant grep the nick list?
2016-01-03T23:54:18 < Steffanx> and you can always write a script ;)
2016-01-03T23:54:22 < kakimir> I can do everything
2016-01-03T23:54:28 < celeron55> a script that dynamically ignores people that bounce around would be useful
2016-01-03T23:55:12 < kakimir> something like irssi but with backend running on some server or so
2016-01-03T23:55:18 < kakimir> would be nice
2016-01-03T23:55:25 < celeron55> weechat can do that
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2016-01-03T23:55:35 < celeron55> it's your only option really i guess
2016-01-03T23:55:58 < Steffanx> quassel can do that too, with some more fancy gui
2016-01-03T23:56:28 < Rob235> what we talkin about
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2016-01-03T23:59:27 < Steffanx> http://xob.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stm32/2016-01.log Rob235
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2016-01-04T00:00:41 < Rob235> fun
2016-01-04T00:01:21 < kakimir> what is that weechat celeron55 ?
2016-01-04T00:01:32 < kakimir> kind of relay=
2016-01-04T00:01:34 < kakimir> ?
2016-01-04T00:01:43 < celeron55> it's a more recent command line client
2016-01-04T00:02:04 < celeron55> it's kind of shitty too but the developer has managed to add more features and scripting languages to it than what irssi has
2016-01-04T00:02:27 < celeron55> i don't like it
2016-01-04T00:02:30 < kakimir> okay
2016-01-04T00:02:31 < celeron55> but it does have features
2016-01-04T00:02:51 < zyp> it's like irssi, but with a stupid name
2016-01-04T00:02:57 < zyp> is how I see it
2016-01-04T00:02:59 < celeron55> it has stupid default settings too
2016-01-04T00:03:29 < celeron55> it's written in C like irssi for some nonsensical reason
2016-01-04T00:04:34 < kakimir> because the best language?
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2016-01-04T00:27:04 < kakimir> PTFE mousepad.. does it make sense?
2016-01-04T00:27:13 < upgrdman> yes
2016-01-04T00:27:20 < upgrdman> so your cum stains wipe right off of it
2016-01-04T00:27:22 < kakimir> do you have one?
2016-01-04T00:27:24 < kakimir> :D
2016-01-04T00:27:25 < upgrdman> no
2016-01-04T00:27:37 < kakimir> do you mean you can just drop cum off it?
2016-01-04T00:27:51 < upgrdman> i use some big fabric/rubber mousepads. like 300mm x 300mm
2016-01-04T00:28:00 < kakimir> hit it to side of the bin and it's completelly clean
2016-01-04T00:28:25 < kakimir> those gamerpads?
2016-01-04T00:28:40 < upgrdman> me? no. some $7 china trash
2016-01-04T00:28:45 < upgrdman> lasts like 2yrs then trash
2016-01-04T00:31:11 < kakimir> show me
2016-01-04T00:31:37 < Steffanx> clean it first please
2016-01-04T00:31:52 < upgrdman> i have like 5 of these around my home  http://www.amazon.com/HandStands-15S07-Super-Mouse-Pad/dp/B000SR120M/ref=sr_1_16?s=office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1451860284&sr=1-16&keywords=big+mouse+pad
2016-01-04T00:32:03 < kakimir> handstains
2016-01-04T00:32:21 < kakimir> supersize
2016-01-04T00:32:22 < kakimir> okay
2016-01-04T00:32:26 < upgrdman> you can see my specific mouse pad if you watch the first few seconds of my two most recent youtube videos
2016-01-04T00:33:17 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKMGRLNHJ1UGN5WlE/view?usp=sharing laptop box has new life as shitty surface
2016-01-04T00:33:36 < kakimir> I think few months and it starts to melt
2016-01-04T00:33:55 < upgrdman> cardboard mousepad. typical beaky.
2016-01-04T00:34:03 < upgrdman> also i had that mouse and returned it
2016-01-04T00:34:13 < kakimir> what happend?
2016-01-04T00:34:14 < upgrdman> fucking thumb buttons and wheel were laid out too awkward for me
2016-01-04T00:34:18 < kakimir> okay
2016-01-04T00:34:25 < kakimir> I dont mind them
2016-01-04T00:34:27 < upgrdman> and slop in the thumbwheel pissed me right the fuck off
2016-01-04T00:34:30 < kakimir> I even use those buttons
2016-01-04T00:34:34 < kakimir> that slop
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2016-01-04T00:34:46 < kakimir> what the fuck they where thingkin
2016-01-04T00:34:52 < kakimir> thinking*
2016-01-04T00:35:14 < kakimir> also if you move mouse quickly
2016-01-04T00:35:21 < kakimir> *Accelerate
2016-01-04T00:35:33 < kakimir> you can feel something loose inside
2016-01-04T00:37:02 < Steffanx> the weights?
2016-01-04T00:40:15 < kakimir> something of those wheels
2016-01-04T00:40:34 < kakimir> there is clutch and brake for one
2016-01-04T00:40:43 < kakimir> solenoid actuator
2016-01-04T00:43:01 < kakimir> it actually fails to activate if you scroll too fast
2016-01-04T00:43:08 < kakimir> it bounces off
2016-01-04T00:43:19 < kakimir> and wont go on until wheel stops
2016-01-04T00:43:52 < kakimir> if you scroll it like EULA then it does it
2016-01-04T00:45:30 < upgrdman> kakimir, even bigger mouse pad:  http://www.amazon.com/Glorious-3XL-Extended-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B0164KY294/ref=sr_1_5?s=office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1451861075&sr=1-5&keywords=large+mouse+pad
2016-01-04T00:47:02 < kakimir> let's not get ridiculous
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2016-01-04T00:47:15 < upgrdman> let's get fully diculous
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2016-01-04T00:48:37 < kakimir> maybe if you set the kb and whole computer on it
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2016-01-04T00:50:33 < upgrdman> that's what i'd do
2016-01-04T00:50:45 < upgrdman> table top 100% covered in mouse pad
2016-01-04T00:50:48 < upgrdman> never run out
2016-01-04T00:51:57 < kakimir> I try to figure what size mousepad I need
2016-01-04T00:53:48 < upgrdman> maybe this size?  http://www.amazon.com/Tangibler%C2%AE8%C3%9710%C3%971-4-Silicone-Gaming-Cartoon-Breast/dp/B018DU024M/ref=sr_1_69?s=office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1451861377&sr=1-69&keywords=large+mouse+pad
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2016-01-04T00:56:30 < kakimir> disgusting
2016-01-04T00:57:10 < celeron55> it has good reviews
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2016-01-04T01:06:01 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/ENCxeAf.gifv
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2016-01-04T01:18:01 < kakimir> baby robot
2016-01-04T01:18:26 < kakimir> few years of a.i. iteration and it comes to kill us
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2016-01-04T01:24:53 < upgrdman> :)
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2016-01-04T01:47:47 < kakimir> is that mousepad for some self ironic female worker?
2016-01-04T01:48:04 < kakimir> (if any exists)
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2016-01-04T02:25:35 < dongs> http://www.pcworld.com/article/3018759/gadgets/windows-95-running-on-a-nintendo-3ds-will-take-you-back-in-time.html
2016-01-04T02:25:48 < dongs> news for turds stuff that splatters
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2016-01-04T02:49:17 < upgrdman> ideal way to repair an inkjet printer:  https://youtu.be/mMcTFUJYMGI?t=147
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2016-01-04T02:55:11 < upgrdman> ahaha the ending!  http://i.imgur.com/QAg41ha.gifv
2016-01-04T02:55:22 < dongs> suuuuuuuuuuuuuper old
2016-01-04T02:55:31 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-04T02:55:36 < dongs> its like unexpectedjihad but without jihad
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2016-01-04T02:56:49 < dongs> does matthias wendel have more subscribers than eevfag
2016-01-04T02:57:04 < dongs> i dont wanna click any eevfag vids or search for them so plz confirm
2016-01-04T02:57:43 < dongs> wow those optical encoder wheelz
2016-01-04T02:57:46 < upgrdman> lol. skip to half way mark  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d74_1451831546
2016-01-04T02:58:05 < dongs> lolweut
2016-01-04T02:58:09 < dongs> head motor is not even servo
2016-01-04T02:58:11 < dongs> just brushed garbage
2016-01-04T02:58:26 < upgrdman> dongs, eevfag has like 300k subs, so ya. wow.
2016-01-04T02:58:36 < upgrdman> never heard of this matthias guy before today
2016-01-04T02:58:46 < dongs> upgrdman: holy shit, he's not the #1 EE fagblag on jewtube what a shock
2016-01-04T02:59:34 < upgrdman> oh seems most of his vids are carpentry
2016-01-04T02:59:34 < dongs> oh its the woodgears guy
2016-01-04T02:59:37 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-04T02:59:55 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4PaGvAhV9I i like the title image on that
2016-01-04T03:00:05 < dongs> haha aspieberrypi
2016-01-04T03:03:57 < upgrdman> heheh http://i.imgur.com/8obldsH.gifv
2016-01-04T03:04:11 < dongs> god damn im loling irl at that video
2016-01-04T03:04:20 < dongs> the mousetrap one
2016-01-04T03:04:23 < upgrdman> lol
2016-01-04T03:04:26 < dongs> i think i better put my aspieberrypi to use
2016-01-04T03:04:50 < dongs> i can hear mice fucking eating my cat5 wires in teh attic
2016-01-04T03:05:03 < upgrdman> i thought japland was so clean
2016-01-04T03:05:14 < upgrdman> dont mice bring great shame to their families or someshit
2016-01-04T03:06:46 < dongs> doubtful
2016-01-04T03:10:37 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/zkucz3C
2016-01-04T03:10:38 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/30/manchester_lycra_dragnet/
2016-01-04T03:16:23 < dongs> upgrdman: is it funny cuz its racist
2016-01-04T03:16:37 < upgrdman> lil bit
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2016-01-04T03:20:36 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM4Nku2qAiI
2016-01-04T03:23:47 < upgrdman> you dont want the d
2016-01-04T03:23:49 < upgrdman> seriously
2016-01-04T03:23:53 < upgrdman> knobs FTW
2016-01-04T03:24:33 < Laurenceb_> But you could have got wasp honey from them, It's a much better taste then bee honey, but not as good as hornet honey. Just reach your hand in the wasp's nest and they will give you some honey.
2016-01-04T03:24:37 < Laurenceb_> lolling hard
2016-01-04T03:25:39 < PeterM> flyback, dont get the aoyue, the tip makes rubbish contact with the heater and its worthless
2016-01-04T03:26:34 < englishman> flyback: don't get either
2016-01-04T03:26:38 < PeterM> ^
2016-01-04T03:26:39 < PeterM> that too
2016-01-04T03:26:45 < englishman> aoyyoue is for noobs
2016-01-04T03:26:55 < englishman> hakko is for adafruit fanboys
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2016-01-04T03:27:08 < PeterM> if you can afford it, the hakko fx-951 is probably the cheapest half decent station
2016-01-04T03:27:29 < PeterM> anything less is kinda a toy
2016-01-04T03:27:52 < englishman> http://www.thermaltronics.com/tmt-9000s.php
2016-01-04T03:28:00 < englishman> last soldering station you'll need
2016-01-04T03:28:09 < englishman> PFF cheap ass canuck
2016-01-04T03:28:29 < englishman> I'll sell you my old 888d
2016-01-04T03:28:41 < englishman> I'll want USD tho
2016-01-04T03:28:59 < dongs> all the pros upgraded to metcal/thermaldongix
2016-01-04T03:29:53 < PeterM> flyback for $100 the best you can get is the TS-100 china thing, it uses modified hakkop fx-951 tips and a extrnal powersupply, but seriously, $100 isnt much to spend o na tool that you're basically going to keep for life
2016-01-04T03:30:16 < englishman> PeterM: that stm32 pencil thing?
2016-01-04T03:30:21 < PeterM> yeah
2016-01-04T03:30:28 < englishman> cool mine arrives tomorrow
2016-01-04T03:30:47 < PeterM> its better than an 888d if you put a real 25v 4a psu on it
2016-01-04T03:30:59 < PeterM> its better than most things in that price range
2016-01-04T03:31:17 < englishman> and DC power so you can use it almost anywhere if you bring a connector
2016-01-04T03:31:27 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/01/nude_cyclist_shocker/
2016-01-04T03:31:50 < englishman> PeterM: is there a forum or thread or something for the opensores
2016-01-04T03:32:03 < englishman> And have you found real max voltage
2016-01-04T03:32:13 < PeterM> englishman, yeah, sicne it uses hakko t12 clone tips, the outer shell is ceramically isolated from the input too
2016-01-04T03:32:21 < englishman> cool
2016-01-04T03:32:40 < PeterM> http://imgmgr.banggood.com/images/upload/2015/11/TS100/TS100%20V2.11%20Source%20Code%20New.rar
2016-01-04T03:32:54 < PeterM> http://imgmgr.banggood.com/images/upload/2015/11/TS100/TS100%20V2.46%20Schematic%20Diagram%20V1.0%20.pdf
2016-01-04T03:33:24 < englishman> neato
2016-01-04T03:34:20 < PeterM> real max voltage is 30v abs max, but the fet can't really handle the current the tip would take at that voltage
2016-01-04T03:34:38 < englishman> that's cool, I can use it with 4s lipos tho
2016-01-04T03:34:52 < PeterM> yeah
2016-01-04T03:35:04 < PeterM> can use it with fully charged 6s no worries
2016-01-04T03:35:36 < englishman> perfect
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2016-01-04T03:35:54 < englishman> its getting some xt60 adapter and going straight in the field box
2016-01-04T03:37:01 < KreAture_> wow I got a response from GitHUb!
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2016-01-04T03:38:01 < KreAture_> They agree that historical graphs of bug count, feature count and other such tidbits would be a interesting and also usefull feature so they are definately adding it to the list of stuff to consider in future.
2016-01-04T03:38:14 < KreAture_> :)
2016-01-04T03:38:39 < PeterM> i had a similar discussion about decent cheap soldeirng irons the other day, i've seen a "universal" soldering iron controller, ubt shit is unnessecarily complicated and expensive as fuck, as a result its huge too
2016-01-04T03:39:24 < PeterM> after designign a metcal supply and working out its impossible to do cheap because of the rf filtering and shit
2016-01-04T03:39:49 < PeterM> i'm gonna go a JBC one
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2016-01-04T03:40:01 < PeterM> aiming for less than $50 au
2016-01-04T03:40:28 < dongs> huhuhu
2016-01-04T03:40:36 < dongs> you mean.. something is expensive because it is?!
2016-01-04T03:40:40 < dongs> and can't be solved wiht opensauce?
2016-01-04T03:41:49 < PeterM> well, a lot cheaper than what thermaltronics/metcal charges, but still liek $150 for the controller
2016-01-04T03:42:15 < PeterM> and its not very efficient, maybe 70% so not great for battery power
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2016-01-04T03:43:01 < PeterM> jb stations are like $400-1000 but i reckon i could do it for $50ish
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2016-01-04T04:23:09 < upgrdman> is there any tool to turn a short video clip into a gif
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2016-01-04T04:32:07 < kakimir> desktop client one?
2016-01-04T04:32:31 < upgrdman> nm. found some online shite
2016-01-04T04:32:48 < kakimir> i think i once tried some shiet
2016-01-04T04:32:59 < kakimir> it had virus or so
2016-01-04T04:43:37 < englishman> upgrdman: go to gfycat, drag and drop
2016-01-04T04:45:00 < upgrdman> cool. do they watermark?
2016-01-04T05:01:14 < dongs> why , you dont weant a cool gfycat watermark on your gif?
2016-01-04T05:01:24 < dongs> i think if you redownlaod same thing from giant.gfycat.com it's still an actual gif
2016-01-04T05:01:27 < dongs> without any logosd
2016-01-04T05:01:43 < dongs> i did some woodgears.ca shit today, ghettoed a step
2016-01-04T05:02:17 < upgrdman> no i DONT want a mark. thats why i asked. but the one i found before eman comment doesnt mark either, so problem solved.
2016-01-04T05:03:39 < englishman> I didn't read any qualifications about watermarks and answered the question that was asked
2016-01-04T05:03:56 < englishman> then the shitty client came in after with some additional requirement
2016-01-04T05:04:02 < englishman> sigh
2016-01-04T05:04:41 < englishman> my bill is in the mail upgrdman
2016-01-04T05:04:54 < upgrdman> cool
2016-01-04T05:07:53 < PeterM> a duck walks into a a drugstore and says "give me a chapstick, and put it on my bill
2016-01-04T05:14:08 < dongs> laff
2016-01-04T05:14:16 < dongs> if you rightclick drive -> sharing->advanced sharing in windows
2016-01-04T05:14:24 < dongs> isntead of going to the 'Share" tab in drive properties, it goes to the fucking main tab
2016-01-04T05:14:28 < dongs> fucking fail
2016-01-04T05:14:31 < dongs> windows 10 that is
2016-01-04T05:15:05 < PeterM> fukken lolled
2016-01-04T05:15:13 < PeterM> just tried it
2016-01-04T05:15:18 < dongs> fails right?
2016-01-04T05:15:46 < PeterM> yerp, but w7 and ws2k8 both do the right thing
2016-01-04T05:15:56 < dongs> right
2016-01-04T05:20:29 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/Eormm check out my amazing pro woodwork
2016-01-04T05:21:16 < dongs> by amazing pro i mean fucking trash
2016-01-04T05:22:46 < upgrdman> what is it
2016-01-04T05:22:51 < upgrdman> bench to sit on?
2016-01-04T05:22:55 < dongs> http://www.silabs.com/products/video/demodulator/Pages/default.aspx err wtf
2016-01-04T05:23:01 < dongs> who did they buy this from
2016-01-04T05:23:05 < dongs> upgrdman: no, its a step into the door
2016-01-04T05:23:07 < dongs> jap garbage
2016-01-04T05:23:24 < upgrdman> jap gets flooded often?
2016-01-04T05:24:21 < upgrdman> fucking Active-HDL. sim's with only one core.
2016-01-04T05:35:06 < upgrdman> sometimes i feel really smart. but not today. i just tried to pre-heat my microwave oven
2016-01-04T05:35:38 < PeterM> sometimes things happen
2016-01-04T05:36:02 < dongs> who the fuck did silabs buy digital tv / tuner biz from
2016-01-04T05:36:06 < dongs> i've never seen thier shit used anyhwere
2016-01-04T05:37:46 < zyp> hmm
2016-01-04T05:38:02 < zyp> dongs, http://gct.co/connector/?series=USB3130 <- know if this or similar shit is available anywhere?
2016-01-04T05:38:15 < dongs> vertical usb? sure
2016-01-04T05:38:16 < dongs> its common
2016-01-04T05:38:26 < zyp> well, it's sold at amazon: http://www.amazon.com/GLOBAL-CONNECTOR-TECHNOLOGY-USB3130-30-A-MICRO/dp/B00HPM0LB4
2016-01-04T05:38:28 < dongs> FCI makes some too
2016-01-04T05:38:41 < zyp> but a quick google didn't give me any other interesting hits
2016-01-04T05:38:42 < zyp> ok
2016-01-04T05:39:08 < dongs> you want soem?
2016-01-04T05:39:23 < dongs> for cheape than $7.21 i assume
2016-01-04T05:39:24 < dongs> lolo
2016-01-04T05:39:26 < zyp> wonder how durable they are, wrt. torquing it off
2016-01-04T05:39:33 < dongs> pretty sure i saw FCI had those kind
2016-01-04T05:39:58 < zyp> I'm just thinking about future shit
2016-01-04T05:40:13 < dongs> mkay
2016-01-04T05:40:16 < dongs> think about vaping
2016-01-04T05:40:27 < dongs> i think they use vertical usb
2016-01-04T05:40:50 < zyp> if I make some din-rail mount shit with a front panel board in the top, a connector like that could be convenient for plugging in a cable for config/firmware upgrade
2016-01-04T05:40:56 < PeterM> that shit looks liek it'd break off easy af
2016-01-04T05:41:00 < dongs> ah
2016-01-04T05:41:05 < dongs> you;d want it in enclosure yeah
2016-01-04T05:41:18 < dongs> with the top being fixed by enclosure opening
2016-01-04T05:41:20 < dongs> and bottom by pcb
2016-01-04T05:41:23 < zyp> yes
2016-01-04T05:42:46 < zyp> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/DMB-4770/377-1807-ND/2499326 <- gonna pick up some shit like this next time I'm shopping at digikey
2016-01-04T05:43:41 < PeterM> not bad price for 1-10
2016-01-04T05:44:02 < zyp> haha
2016-01-04T05:44:18 < dongs> what a retarded price break
2016-01-04T05:44:21 < dongs> 1, 6, 100?
2016-01-04T05:44:25 < PeterM> if i were doing anything more than that, i'd want less than a $
2016-01-04T05:44:51 < zyp> that usb connector is 5.6mm tall, top pcb to inner edge of enclosure is 5.6mm
2016-01-04T05:47:03 < zyp> maybe I'll have to mount the connector on a small board with castellated vias, mounted on top of the other board to raise it enough to protude through the top cover
2016-01-04T05:47:06 < zyp> haha
2016-01-04T05:47:13 < dongs> HEH
2016-01-04T05:47:34 < zyp> might as well do right angle connector on vertical board at that point :p
2016-01-04T05:47:49 < PeterM> mmmh
2016-01-04T05:49:17 < zyp> hmm, USB3140 is 6.5mm tall, that's better
2016-01-04T05:49:56 < PeterM> yeah, being a bit taller yoo ucould probably put some epoxy aroudn the base too if oyu have issues
2016-01-04T05:54:49 < zyp> fuck, I'm going to work in a couple of hours
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2016-01-04T05:54:58 < zyp> I need to relearn how to sleep at reasonable times
2016-01-04T05:55:14 < emeb_mac> gah!
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2016-01-04T05:55:53 < emeb_mac> just stay up 24hrs and then go to bed on time?
2016-01-04T05:56:17 < PeterM> i find thats very hit and miss
2016-01-04T05:56:22 < zyp> better to get 3 hours
2016-01-04T05:56:27 < emeb_mac> yeah
2016-01-04T05:56:28 < PeterM> yeah
2016-01-04T05:56:55 < dongs> ownt
2016-01-04T05:57:11 < emeb_mac> I need to find some more fun stuff to fill out a Mouser order.
2016-01-04T05:57:17 < emeb_mac> any suggestions?
2016-01-04T05:57:26 < zyp> new discovery boards?
2016-01-04T05:59:38 < emeb_mac> is that F7 nucleo available yet?
2016-01-04T06:00:42 < PeterM> a pair of cutters? a usb cable to charge your phone? a random soldeirng iron tip? a dev board? ICs (all) >sort by price>look for somehting intereting
2016-01-04T06:00:59 < emeb_mac> that's pretty much my list
2016-01-04T06:01:09 < dongs> mouser search is pretty trash for "just looking"
2016-01-04T06:01:12 < dongs> you get tons of aids
2016-01-04T06:01:38 < PeterM> oh yer thats rite
2016-01-04T06:02:04 < emeb_mac> hmm... 476 nucleo.
2016-01-04T06:02:13 < PeterM> maybe a set of probes or osmeting
2016-01-04T06:02:20 < emeb_mac> don't know diddly about those newer F4 parts - might be fun.
2016-01-04T06:02:23 < PeterM> 476 nucleo?
2016-01-04T06:02:34 < PeterM> when did that happen
2016-01-04T06:02:38 < emeb_mac> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/NUCLEO-L476RG/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtw0nEwywcFgD4u%2fEjtpc3hUFLYLEfqL%252bI7SAsmcaRMVw%3d%3d
2016-01-04T06:04:09 < PeterM> better have a break in vcc so you can monitor current
2016-01-04T06:05:07 < emeb_mac> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/NUCLEO-F746ZG/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtw0nEwywcFgCOvL%2fCIMT%2f2w01SZnal1Ngwgxcd9gFiJw%3d%3d
2016-01-04T06:05:18 < emeb_mac> just transpose a few digits
2016-01-04T06:05:54 < emeb_mac> should be a fun board when it finally shows up
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2016-01-04T06:20:38 < dongs> zyp: china has a 5.61mm tall one
2016-01-04T06:20:40 < dongs> looks like thats standard
2016-01-04T06:21:51 < zyp> usb3140 is smt for the data pins
2016-01-04T06:21:53 < zyp> http://gct.co/connector/?series=USB3140
2016-01-04T06:21:59 < zyp> and taller
2016-01-04T06:22:13 < zyp> I guess it's taller because of the extra plastic between the metal and the board
2016-01-04T06:22:48 < zyp> and 2.3mm pins that protudes all the way through 1.6mm pcbs
2016-01-04T06:23:10 < zyp> how's china for din rail enclosures?
2016-01-04T06:26:32 < dongs> im sure its possible
2016-01-04T06:26:45 < PeterM> bahar make soem resonable ones
2016-01-04T06:27:08 < PeterM> http://www.bahar.asia/en/Products3.asp?pid=326
2016-01-04T06:27:28 < zyp> ah, nice
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2016-01-04T06:29:49 < dongs> Summery
2016-01-04T06:29:58 < dongs> i want some wintery prpoducts
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2016-01-04T06:31:26 < dongs> so the only special part about this din rail shit is that they have a common way to snap them into place?
2016-01-04T06:32:19 < dongs> i think i have some of those rails
2016-01-04T06:32:42 < dongs> TOP HAT RAIL
2016-01-04T06:32:59 < zyp> the sizes are also within some specs
2016-01-04T06:33:07 < dongs> es
2016-01-04T06:33:10 < zyp> to fit in a cover plate
2016-01-04T06:33:17 < dongs> ah
2016-01-04T06:33:23 < zyp> and there's a defined module width, so enclosures comes in n-modules
2016-01-04T06:33:37 < dongs> is it a pro way to do stuff
2016-01-04T06:33:41 < zyp> all modern circuit breakers here comes like that
2016-01-04T06:34:08 < zyp> and other stuff to go into distribution boards
2016-01-04T06:35:47 < dongs> zyp, how's  your nihongoz https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1451710743757.webm
2016-01-04T06:36:14 < zyp> better than that :p
2016-01-04T06:39:13 < zyp> http://evbitz.uk/EVBitz.uk/Mainpine_EPC.html <- here's shit similar to what I'm thinking about building
2016-01-04T06:39:49 < zyp> except with more features
2016-01-04T06:43:38 < dongs> its just a relay w ith some current sense?
2016-01-04T06:44:22 < zyp> nah, that resistor is just a dumb way to configure it
2016-01-04T06:45:07 < dongs> japs love blue tarps over crime areas
2016-01-04T06:45:20 < zyp> EV comms is a 1khz pwm signal sent by the charging station, i.e. that thing
2016-01-04T06:45:37 < dongs> pwm? so its something like WS2812 led stuff?
2016-01-04T06:45:42 < dongs> or is it literally just pulse width
2016-01-04T06:45:55 < dongs> u gonna burn your new car
2016-01-04T06:45:58 < zyp> available current is signalled by pulse width
2016-01-04T06:46:28 < zyp> and EV signals back state by pulling down the signal with specific resistances
2016-01-04T06:47:11 < zyp> so it'll be 12V when disconnected, 9V when connected, 6V or 3V when charging
2016-01-04T06:47:20 < zyp> simple as that
2016-01-04T06:47:36 < zyp> comms circuitry is simple as fuck
2016-01-04T06:48:00 < zyp> the rest of it is just a bunch of checks that the controller is required to do before enabling power
2016-01-04T06:48:27 < zyp> like checking that ground (protective earth) is properly present
2016-01-04T06:49:56 < zyp> detachable cable stuff also has a resistor in the cable to encode rated current, to disallow you from using a 16A rated cable on a 32A circuit
2016-01-04T06:53:24 < zyp> more advanced multi-outlet systems have capacity sharing, which means you could have stuff like two 32A chargers on a single 32A circuit, and when both are in use they just reduce to 16A each
2016-01-04T06:53:46 < dongs> pro
2016-01-04T06:53:52 < dongs> is that 32A @ 200V?
2016-01-04T06:53:52 < zyp> that shit is expensive as hell
2016-01-04T06:54:04 < dongs> that would brownout jalf japan block
2016-01-04T06:54:07 < dongs> er half
2016-01-04T06:54:08 < zyp> 230V here
2016-01-04T06:54:49 < zyp> some cars (tesla and a few others) can do 32A three phase wye, i.e. 22kW
2016-01-04T06:55:39 < zyp> renault zoe can even do 63A like that
2016-01-04T06:56:09 < dongs> dont you still need to charge for hours
2016-01-04T06:56:56 < zyp> depends
2016-01-04T06:57:28 < zyp> 63A is 43kW, zoe got a battery of somewhere between 20-30kWh :p
2016-01-04T06:58:45 < zyp> of course, 43kW is more power than the capacity of the supply in most norwegian homes :p
2016-01-04T06:58:50 < dongs> i wonder how that relates to iundividual battery C-rating for   charge
2016-01-04T06:59:03 < dongs> individual cel
2016-01-04T06:59:08 < zyp> around 2C
2016-01-04T06:59:15 < dongs> oh is that it?
2016-01-04T06:59:27 < dongs> so its not raping it too badly
2016-01-04T06:59:55 < zyp> most DC fast chargers are also around 40kW now, and most cars got 20-30kW batteries
2016-01-04T07:00:13 < zyp> apart from tesla that has 120kW superchargers and 70-90kWh batteries
2016-01-04T07:00:31 < dongs> tesla needs to stop making ugly as fuck cars
2016-01-04T07:00:36 < dongs> before they become relevant to me
2016-01-04T07:00:39 < zyp> haha
2016-01-04T07:00:57 < dongs> and holy fuck the interior is utter garbage
2016-01-04T07:01:28 < zyp> it would also help if they stopped making expensive as fuck cars
2016-01-04T07:02:06 < zyp> fair enough that they got three times the range of other EVs, but they also got three times the price
2016-01-04T07:04:40 < dongs> three times the rage
2016-01-04T07:17:34 < PeterM> how the fuck weould you charge an EV in japang, do you have something >100v that is somewhat common?
2016-01-04T07:17:45 < dongs> nope, you'd have to bring it in
2016-01-04T07:18:02 < PeterM> wow, trash
2016-01-04T07:18:07 < dongs> i was lucky there was 3phase drop near my place
2016-01-04T07:18:11 < dongs> otherwise it would take like 2 months to run it
2016-01-04T07:18:22 < PeterM> so what you got at home dongie?
2016-01-04T07:18:33 < dongs> 3phase 200, single phase 200, regular 100
2016-01-04T07:18:45 < PeterM> wow, still trash
2016-01-04T07:18:56 < PeterM> but better than 100v alone
2016-01-04T07:18:56 < dongs> i think my 3phase is 4kW
2016-01-04T07:19:23 < emeb_mac> 3-phase dongs. wow.
2016-01-04T07:19:29 < dongs> cuz the billing tier depends on what your max shit is and you stillget billed base rate for x tier even if you're not using it
2016-01-04T07:19:38 < dongs> which covers my washer/dryer
2016-01-04T07:20:00 < dongs> 200 for reflow + compressor and 100 for all other shit
2016-01-04T07:20:06 < dongs> oh yeah 3phase also for server room aircon
2016-01-04T07:20:22 < dongs> cuz thats running 24.7
2016-01-04T07:20:36 < emeb_mac> is 3-phs common in .jp residential?
2016-01-04T07:20:41 < dongs> no
2016-01-04T07:20:58 < emeb_mac> not here either
2016-01-04T07:21:35 < PeterM> 3ph here is somewhat common, maybe 1/5 houses
2016-01-04T07:25:38 < dongs> what do people use it for
2016-01-04T07:26:53 < PeterM> whatever they want. driers, large evaporative airconditioners, electric water heating
2016-01-04T07:27:25 < dongs> right
2016-01-04T07:27:41 < dongs> my dryer is propane, just needs small 3phase for motor
2016-01-04T07:27:55 < dongs> 36kg?  ithink max load, 32kW equiv gas output
2016-01-04T07:28:12 < PeterM> ahh, yeah, most dryers here are full electric
2016-01-04T07:28:18 < dongs> jap dryers are complete fucking garbage
2016-01-04T07:28:35 < dongs> before I got this industrial thing wifecop would fucking waste entire fucking day in a shitty thing and stuff would still be wet
2016-01-04T07:28:36 < emeb_mac> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc1URQgQWNo
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2016-01-04T07:31:19 < PeterM> yeah, over here because of the weather, most people use height adjustab;e rotary clothes lines, but lazy fucks use dryers
2016-01-04T07:31:51 < emeb_mac> don't the koalas run off with your laundry?
2016-01-04T07:32:29 < PeterM> nah, they too fuckign stoned on eucalyptus
2016-01-04T07:34:32 < emeb_mac> eucalyptus - just say no.
2016-01-04T07:34:57 < emeb_mac> this is your koala. this is your koala on eucalyptus. any questions?
2016-01-04T07:35:05 < PeterM> also, emeb_mac amusing song
2016-01-04T07:35:09 < dongs> wtf is eucalutyptis anyway
2016-01-04T07:35:14 < emeb_mac> tree
2016-01-04T07:35:16 < dongs> tehre's some fucking engrish school here called that
2016-01-04T07:35:28 < dongs> do they teach stoned
2016-01-04T07:36:07 < emeb_mac> PeterM: someone imported lots of eucalyptus around here. it's all over.
2016-01-04T07:36:19 < emeb_mac> but no koalas
2016-01-04T07:36:27 < emeb_mac> (outside of zoos)
2016-01-04T07:37:32 < emeb_mac> but there is a nursery that sells Oz plants and they sell tree trimmings to the zoo to feed the koalas
2016-01-04T07:37:38 < PeterM> eucalyptus aren't only from australia, but the are one of the dominant trees here. they also come from some other SEA places
2016-01-04T07:37:58 < emeb_mac> Interesting.
2016-01-04T07:38:19 < emeb_mac> Thought it was only from australia.
2016-01-04T07:38:45 < emeb_mac> Took a trip to Peru a while back - shit is all over the fucking place down there, but it's an import too.
2016-01-04T07:39:08 < PeterM> hahaha
2016-01-04T07:39:12 < PeterM> suckers
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2016-01-04T07:39:47 < emeb_mac> Yeah - some birdbrain though it'd make good lumber. Fail.
2016-01-04T07:40:02 < PeterM> its a great tree for paper
2016-01-04T07:40:10 < PeterM> not so sure about lumber
2016-01-04T07:40:29 < emeb_mac> Well, the indigenous folk there love it for firewood.
2016-01-04T07:41:07 < PeterM> the oils make it smell somewhat nice when burnt - we used to have a fireplace
2016-01-04T07:42:43 < emeb_mac> yeah - it does smell good.
2016-01-04T07:43:17 < emeb_mac> there's a place by the highway nearby that has huge piles of eucalyptus mulch. smells great when I drive by there.
2016-01-04T07:44:17 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/gallery/Rswm1
2016-01-04T07:44:26 < PeterM> nice work japn
2016-01-04T07:53:53 < aandrew> wtf
2016-01-04T08:09:42 < dongs> http://www.nxp.com/products/microcontrollers-and-processors/arm-processors/lpc-arm-cortex-m-mcus/lpc-dual-core-cortex-m0-m4f/lpc4300/32-bit-arm-cortex-m4-m0-mcu-1-mb-flash-and-136-kb-sram-ethernet-2-x-usb-emc-aes-engine:LPC43S37JET100
2016-01-04T08:09:47 < dongs> huh
2016-01-04T08:10:22 < dongs> oh never mind, highspeed usb still needs PHY
2016-01-04T08:10:24 < dongs> fucking garbage
2016-01-04T08:15:06 < Sync> pfft
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2016-01-04T08:33:17 < Rob235> who farted
2016-01-04T08:34:57 < aandrew> hoof hearted? ice melted!
2016-01-04T08:36:16 < Rob235> I'm bored, I don't want to work on this project anymore :)
2016-01-04T08:42:04 < dongs> assburgers at its best
2016-01-04T08:42:06 < dongs> welcome to me
2016-01-04T08:42:41 < Rob235> I gave up and ordered a BNO055
2016-01-04T08:42:50 < dongs> fail
2016-01-04T08:43:42 < Rob235> I don't know enough trig and other maths to figure out what was going wrong
2016-01-04T08:53:56 < Rob235> so its 2016... are there flying cars yet?
2016-01-04T08:54:06 < PeterM> yes
2016-01-04T08:54:11 < jpa-> don't use trig, use quaternions
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2016-01-04T08:54:32 < Rob235> how do you convert quats to euler angles?
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2016-01-04T08:55:13 < jpa-> don't use euler angles ;)
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2016-01-04T08:55:51 < jpa-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_between_quaternions_and_Euler_angles   but fun, right
2016-01-04T08:55:54 < Rob235> how else can you do it?
2016-01-04T08:56:04 < jpa-> i don't even know what you are doing
2016-01-04T08:56:16 < Rob235> flight controller for a hexacopter
2016-01-04T08:56:36 < jpa-> but i know that euler angles make things unnecessarily difficult, using quaternions all the way makes things easier to keep track of
2016-01-04T08:57:02 < Rob235> how can you adjust motors based on quats? I obviously don't know much about quats either
2016-01-04T08:57:42 < jpa-> well, i don't know that much about hexacopters, but how do you adjust motors based on euler angles?
2016-01-04T08:58:23 < jpa-> i would assume you want to keep specific orientation of the copter, so you would compare a reference quaternion to your actual one, and based on the difference make adjustments
2016-01-04T08:59:12 < Rob235> get pitch/roll/yaw, determine what pitch/roll/yaw you want to be at based on control sticks and auto leveling and go by that
2016-01-04T08:59:48 < Rob235> maybe I should look into quaternions.  didn't think it was that easy to use
2016-01-04T09:01:55 < jpa-> i would just make the reference quaternion from control stick values
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2016-01-04T09:02:23 < ds2> the errors could be expressed as another quat
2016-01-04T09:02:24 < ds2> ;)
2016-01-04T09:02:59 < jpa-> yes
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2016-01-04T09:03:35 < jpa-> https://svn.kapsi.fi/jpa/sphere2/src_common/ahrs.c    some silly simple ahrs code i have used (it's just acc + mag, no gyro)
2016-01-04T09:03:43 < Rob235> plus the quat I'm getting from the mpu9250 only use gyro/accel so I was trying to just get pitch/roll and get yaw from mag.
2016-01-04T09:04:20 < jpa-> https://svn.kapsi.fi/jpa/sphere2/src_common/ahrs.h   comments may be useful in understanding it
2016-01-04T09:04:23 < Rob235> so I'll just use the bno055 and it outputs quats and euler based on gyro/accel/mag
2016-01-04T09:04:38 < Rob235> and figure out what I want to do, It comes on tuesday so I'll research quats tomorrow
2016-01-04T09:04:39 < ds2> related side thing - is there a description of quats that is more intuitive then all the matrix stuff?
2016-01-04T09:04:51 < Rob235> I wish.  If you find something let me know
2016-01-04T09:05:09 < jpa-> hmm, i wonder if i can find our university lectures still
2016-01-04T09:05:12 < Rob235> I'm thinking about just watching 100 videos on youtube.  Its a nice lazy way to learn things
2016-01-04T09:05:12 < jpa-> they were quite nice
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2016-01-04T09:06:57 < ds2> quats are nice but understanding them is a pita
2016-01-04T09:07:04 < dongs> acc+mag?
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2016-01-04T09:07:21 < dongs> then you can just get heading that way, no?
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2016-01-04T09:07:31 < ds2> if you want blind math, you can look at the android AOSP code
2016-01-04T09:07:40 < dongs> assosp
2016-01-04T09:08:59 < Rob235> yea but if I'm going to use quats why have a quat with faulty heading and then still have to do more.
2016-01-04T09:09:10 < dongs> ur heading is faulty
2016-01-04T09:09:20 < Rob235> it just drifts without mag fusion
2016-01-04T09:09:44 < jpa-> http://math.tut.fi/videolectures/math/mathpos/lecture2/index.html   and http://koti.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/other/mat45806/lecture2.pdf
2016-01-04T09:10:03 < Rob235> thanks i'll check it out tomorrow
2016-01-04T09:10:07 < jpa-> though not sure how easy that video is to follow without being there :P
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2016-01-04T09:10:34 < aandrew> ahrs?
2016-01-04T09:10:35 < jpa-> dongs: with acc + mag, you can get whole orientation as long as it is not moving very fast
2016-01-04T09:10:43 < jpa-> i mean, as long as there is not much acceleration
2016-01-04T09:10:55 < jpa-> aandrew: attitude and heading reference system
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2016-01-04T09:11:13 < dongs> hm i suppose urrite
2016-01-04T09:11:44 < Rob235> I would have done ahrs/madgwick or whatever from the beginning if I knew I was going to have trouble with the quaternion output from the dmp
2016-01-04T09:11:55 < dongs> why are you even using DMP
2016-01-04T09:11:57 < dongs> nobody normal does
2016-01-04T09:11:59 < dongs> its useless
2016-01-04T09:12:03 < dongs> youre not saving any time
2016-01-04T09:12:12 < Rob235> I didn't know that then.  It was the first thing I ever did with electronics hah
2016-01-04T09:12:55 < jpa-> but do we have any bldc expert here? maybe someone could tell me why my motor doesn't want to take all the currents
2016-01-04T09:12:57 < Rob235> took forever to figure out how to set up too
2016-01-04T09:13:48 < Rob235> at least it taught me how i2c works :)
2016-01-04T09:14:02 < Rob235> setting up the bno should be a breeze
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2016-01-04T09:14:39 < ds2> acc + mag would require subtracting out motion; you really want gravity + mag
2016-01-04T09:15:50 < aandrew> wtf is dmp
2016-01-04T09:15:57 < Rob235> digital motion processor
2016-01-04T09:16:00 < aandrew> ah
2016-01-04T09:16:16 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/a/kvknX
2016-01-04T09:16:17 < Rob235> its a chip on the mpu series that you load with firmware and it does stuff for you
2016-01-04T09:16:27 < Rob235> mainly outputting a quaternion based on gyro and accel
2016-01-04T09:17:09 < ds2> the DMP stuff is a pita to work with
2016-01-04T09:17:32 < Rob235> yea, took a while but I got it all working
2016-01-04T09:17:45 < Rob235> but don't know what to do with the quat now so I'm moving on :)
2016-01-04T09:18:36 < Rob235> wish these chips were faster than 100 hz but what are you gonna do.  100 should work fine
2016-01-04T09:18:59 < ds2> Rob235: worse case, you can convert quat to euler as long as you are not near gimble lock
2016-01-04T09:19:16 < ds2> those chips should do faster then 100Hz
2016-01-04T09:19:55 < aandrew> jpa-: too bad that's some goofy flash lecture. I'd have loved to have saved that for later :-(
2016-01-04T09:20:01 < Rob235> pretty sure dmp is limited to 100 hz, could be 200 but I know the bno is 100
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2016-01-04T09:20:13 < jpa-> aandrew: yeah, not sure if you could download it somehow into .flv
2016-01-04T09:20:27 < Rob235> and it was converting the quat to euler that I was having trouble with.  the bno outputs quat and euler
2016-01-04T09:20:29 < aandrew> I spent a few minutes at it
2016-01-04T09:20:42 < ds2> Rob235: don't use the DMP part; the sensors part can do faster
2016-01-04T09:20:43 < aandrew> not that I'm any kind of expet
2016-01-04T09:20:45 < aandrew> expert
2016-01-04T09:20:57 < ds2> use that as a m/a/g chip
2016-01-04T09:21:40 < Rob235> ds2 yea thats what I was at.  Either start over with the chip I have and use ahrs or some similar algorithm or buy a new chip that does it for you :)
2016-01-04T09:22:02 < ds2> Rob235: there are a lot of algs out there
2016-01-04T09:23:11 < Rob235> I dont even know what those algorithms output. does it give you euler angles or quat or what
2016-01-04T09:23:18 < ds2> either
2016-01-04T09:23:32 < ds2> euler angles are easy to work out from first principles
2016-01-04T09:23:39 < jpa-> could also give a rotation matrix
2016-01-04T09:23:43 < ds2> you can get a simple quat alg from the AOSP sources
2016-01-04T09:24:18 < Rob235> looks like I have a lot of research to do... I was hoping I was done with that stuff
2016-01-04T09:24:50 < Rob235> Ive been working on this for like 7 months
2016-01-04T09:26:41 < Rob235> it is fun and interesting and I've learned a ton but I'm ready to fly the damn thing
2016-01-04T09:26:54 < ds2> the caveat is - for a heading in motion, you want gravity + mag
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2016-01-04T09:27:09 < ds2> acc gives you the vector sum of gravity + motion
2016-01-04T09:27:29 < Rob235> the bno outputs a gravity vector too.  I think I'm just gonna use that.  save a lot of time
2016-01-04T09:28:09 < ds2> look at the sensor code in AOSP
2016-01-04T09:28:31 < ds2> for an initial implementation, it is pretty easy to get gravity out
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2016-01-04T09:29:12 < ds2> you assume motion is relatively fast portion of acc. LPF it
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2016-01-04T09:32:41 < Rob235> alright guys thanks for the help.  I'm goin to sleep
2016-01-04T09:32:42 < Rob235> nite all
2016-01-04T09:48:56 < zyp> Rob235, tl;dr: quats are like rotation matrices except more efficient, so you can apply that to a vector of your choice to translate it between world coordinates and body coordinates
2016-01-04T09:49:10 < dongs> zyp is awake already
2016-01-04T09:49:15 < dongs> 3 hours of sleep must be good
2016-01-04T09:49:18 < zyp> then just do dot product or whatever to get angles from that
2016-01-04T09:49:23 < zyp> 0 hours of sleep
2016-01-04T09:49:26 < dongs> excellent
2016-01-04T09:49:32 < dongs> youre ready to altidong for the next 8 houers
2016-01-04T09:49:33 < zyp> went to bed, picked up a book, read until alarm rang
2016-01-04T09:49:51 < zyp> haha
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2016-01-04T09:50:27 < zyp> I finished a layout just before christmas vacation, is probably somewhere in shipping now
2016-01-04T09:51:56 < dongs> nice
2016-01-04T09:52:18 < zyp> today I guess I'll have to figure out how they want the BOM and stuff for that
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2016-01-04T10:15:31 < zyp> hey, which stm32 families was it that had that timer combination stuff to send IR codes? F0x2?
2016-01-04T10:15:55 < upgrdman> f051 has that iirc
2016-01-04T10:15:56 < jpa-> can't pretty much all stm32's combine timers so that one gates another?
2016-01-04T10:16:13 < jpa-> i.e. one running at 40kHz and other gates that to make the pulses
2016-01-04T10:16:47 < zyp> there were some that had a module that ANDs a channel from each of two timers IIRC
2016-01-04T10:16:58 < zyp> intended specifically to make IR codes
2016-01-04T10:17:12 < upgrdman> rm0091
2016-01-04T10:18:31 < upgrdman> chapter 21 pg.552
2016-01-04T10:18:42 < upgrdman> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/DM00031936.pdf
2016-01-04T10:18:47 < zyp> which one were rm0091 again?
2016-01-04T10:19:00 < upgrdman> STM32F0x1/STM32F0x2/STM32F0x8
2016-01-04T10:19:00 < upgrdman> advanced ARM®-based 32-bit MCUs
2016-01-04T10:19:10 < zyp> ah, okay
2016-01-04T10:19:33 < zyp> work internet is fucking slow
2016-01-04T10:19:43 < upgrdman> stm is fucking slow too
2016-01-04T10:19:57 < upgrdman> must be running their server on raspberry pi's or someshit
2016-01-04T10:21:11 < zyp> still loading
2016-01-04T10:21:18 < zyp> ok, done
2016-01-04T10:21:48 < zyp> ah, IRTIM, yes
2016-01-04T10:21:48 < zyp> thanks
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2016-01-04T10:35:07 < dongs> zyp: there's one specifically wiht IR i think
2016-01-04T10:35:23 < zyp> other than that IRTIM thing?
2016-01-04T10:35:29 < dongs> yea that
2016-01-04T10:35:43 < zyp> well, that's what I asked for in the first place :p
2016-01-04T10:36:51 < dongs> er no
2016-01-04T10:36:55 < dongs> there's something that does IRDA with usart
2016-01-04T10:36:58 < dongs> i think thats waht i twas thinking
2016-01-04T10:37:05 < zyp> IRDA is not what I want
2016-01-04T10:37:08 < dongs> yeah k
2016-01-04T10:37:32 < dongs> then AN4099
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2016-01-04T12:31:49 < karlp> zyp: we put the "front panel board" in our din rail unit as just edge connectors on two riser boards, not a full "top panel" pcb, so we got to use regular usb sockets...
2016-01-04T12:35:10 < zyp> yeah, but I'm not sure I want to do risers
2016-01-04T12:35:17 < karlp> (also, fuck bahar for din rail boxes)
2016-01-04T12:35:27 < zyp> haha
2016-01-04T12:35:35 < zyp> you're using those?
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2016-01-04T12:35:41 < karlp> oh, no, bahar were the nice china guys, erni were the nasty hateful danish "owners" of the bahar designs
2016-01-04T12:35:58 < zyp> got experience with any alternatives?
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2016-01-04T12:45:45 < karlp> we wanted a base board and risers becuase of where we wanted connectors in the bottom of the device going out under the panel covers
2016-01-04T12:47:41 < karlp> hrm, phoenix did a "choose your own width" click together box that seemed to waste a lot of internal space,
2016-01-04T12:49:12 < qyx> i have some of these http://www.soselectronic.com/?str=371&artnum=56718&name=euroclamp-cem35-v-gy
2016-01-04T12:51:02 < karlp> they look alright.
2016-01-04T12:51:17 < karlp> we had some old ones on some protos that were screw together, they were a bit shit
2016-01-04T12:51:30 < karlp> kinda depends whether you want those "screw" holes or not,
2016-01-04T12:51:54 < karlp> fucking cert labs having hissy fits about "oh noes, someone could stick their dong in this open hole"
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2016-01-04T13:21:29 < skroon> anybody in here that is using 'yotta' already with stm32 boards?
2016-01-04T13:21:37 < zyp> yotta?
2016-01-04T13:21:42 < jpa-> mbed's build system
2016-01-04T13:21:46 < skroon> zyp: yeah the tool from mbed
2016-01-04T13:21:52 < skroon> jpa-: indeed :)
2016-01-04T13:22:04 < jpa-> i did compile a hello world for some freescale board, does that count?
2016-01-04T13:22:34 < skroon> jpa-: I just ordered the freescale one as well, because I didn't yet want to make my own target files for the STM32 boards I want to be using finally :)
2016-01-04T13:22:41 < jpa-> i should find out how closed/open mbed is before i decide whether it is worth using
2016-01-04T13:22:57 < skroon> jpa-: i'm actually doing that now as well, learning the eco system
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2016-01-04T13:24:35 < skroon> jpa-: seems like it's still a bit early though
2016-01-04T13:24:48 < dongs> why the fuck is the only "free upgrade" to windows 10 is fucking downloading it from msft
2016-01-04T13:24:51 < dongs> first
2016-01-04T13:25:02 < dongs> what if i already have media
2016-01-04T13:26:28 < PeterM> dongs they let you do that now
2016-01-04T13:27:05 < skroon> jpa-: you we're developing on OSX as well right? or Linux?
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2016-01-04T13:27:55 < jpa-> skroon: nah, the test was at work, so on windows
2016-01-04T13:28:14 < jpa-> at home i dev on linux, but haven't used mbed
2016-01-04T13:28:46 < skroon> jpa-: ah oke :-) i'm still trying to figure out what stuff I can use from STM, for example I want to be testing out the STM Touch libraries etc, but seems like I need to have windows to run the Touch viewer app
2016-01-04T13:28:54 < dongs> PeterM: how so?
2016-01-04T13:29:00 < dongs> by bootying from media and doing upgrade?
2016-01-04T13:29:44 < jpa-> skroon: in my figuring, i've come to decide that one can use stm32fxxx.h and everything else is useless crap ;)
2016-01-04T13:30:01 < PeterM> im not sure, they changed it at the beginning of november
2016-01-04T13:30:11 < skroon> jpa-: good to hear :-)
2016-01-04T13:30:49 < PeterM> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ultimate-windows-10-activation-license-faq/ see q2
2016-01-04T13:31:10 < dongs> oh wow
2016-01-04T13:31:11 < dongs> sweet
2016-01-04T13:31:56 < dongs> hm
2016-01-04T13:31:58 < dongs> that isnt working
2016-01-04T13:34:42 < zyp> shame
2016-01-04T13:34:47 < zyp> better change to linux
2016-01-04T13:35:15 < PeterM> i dungo then dongs
2016-01-04T13:36:42 < dongs> i dont think win10pro goes free
2016-01-04T13:37:45 < ReadError> im installing win10 to try, virgin here
2016-01-04T13:38:40 < dongs> trying upgrade
2016-01-04T13:39:13 < dongs> hm
2016-01-04T13:39:13 < ReadError> SW_DVD5_WIN_ENT_10_64BIT_English_MLF_X20-26061.ISO
2016-01-04T13:39:19 < ReadError> i duno how old this is
2016-01-04T13:39:20 < dongs> er? waht the fuck is that trash
2016-01-04T13:39:22 < ReadError> legit copy
2016-01-04T13:39:26 < dongs> legit my fucking ass
2016-01-04T13:39:31 < PeterM> i jsut enterprise n ltsb + crack
2016-01-04T13:39:42 < ReadError> nah its real, i even have a real volume license key
2016-01-04T13:39:46 < PeterM> i want minimal shit
2016-01-04T13:40:08 < PeterM> ReadError, no such thing as VLK for w10, immediately non-legit
2016-01-04T13:40:23 < PeterM> w10 is all kms
2016-01-04T13:40:30 < ReadError> maybe not volume, but its a legit key
2016-01-04T13:40:35 < ReadError> i duno about winders lincensing
2016-01-04T13:41:18 < ReadError> but related: http://i.snag.gy/0mXCY.jpg
2016-01-04T13:41:32 < ReadError> this is what happens when you let parallels choose the ram
2016-01-04T13:41:56 < dongs> PeterM: i cant use my legit 7, 8, 8.1 pro keys to activate 10
2016-01-04T13:42:55 < PeterM> dongs i dunno then, try phone activation
2016-01-04T13:43:16 < dongs> nah it doesnt evne take that key
2016-01-04T13:43:23 < PeterM> it will probably fail, they will immediately put you through to operator and you jsut say "i dunno, its not working, fix it"
2016-01-04T13:43:23 < dongs> which is weird
2016-01-04T13:43:33 < dongs> i've done phone activation before it works
2016-01-04T13:44:01 < PeterM> ive used phone activation for  so many dodgy keys before
2016-01-04T13:44:32 < dongs> yeah im upgrading my junktop to see whats up
2016-01-04T13:44:46 < PeterM> jsut say " hi i word at xyz computer shop, we replaced dudes mobo because reasons, windows nolonger activates, gib me new key kthxbai"
2016-01-04T13:45:04 < dongs> if it works im gona put old ssd back into desktop, upgrade, get 'digital entitlement' trash and put new ssd back in
2016-01-04T13:46:02 < ReadError> lunix you could just migrate the LVM and it would work
2016-01-04T13:46:04 < ReadError> just sayin
2016-01-04T13:46:12 < qyx> at runtime
2016-01-04T13:46:12 < dongs> ah yes
2016-01-04T13:46:44 < PeterM> too bad you end up havin to use linux
2016-01-04T13:47:11 < dongs> lol luinx
2016-01-04T13:47:25 < artag> I left one job because they made me use windows
2016-01-04T13:47:49 < artag> and VS, that was the worst
2016-01-04T13:48:08 < celeron55> when a job made me use windows, i used linux in a fullscreen virtual machine on it
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2016-01-04T13:52:01 < ReadError> ermmmmmmm
2016-01-04T13:52:02 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/Dt93HdA.png
2016-01-04T13:52:10 < ReadError> have you seen the default 'advanced' options
2016-01-04T13:52:17 < dongs> hmm
2016-01-04T13:52:28 < dongs> 8.1pro on my lenovo junktop turned into 10 home w/digital entitlement
2016-01-04T13:52:33 < ReadError> all 4 on by default, all seem sketchy as fuck
2016-01-04T13:52:34 < dongs> o wellz..
2016-01-04T13:52:42 < dongs> of course
2016-01-04T13:52:46 < dongs> and youre running old shit
2016-01-04T13:52:53 < jpa-> celeron55: yeah, that is what i do in most work projects also
2016-01-04T13:52:56 < dongs> there's a new one in 1511 that asks about torrent auto-enable
2016-01-04T13:53:03 < ReadError> well i will get the new one today then !
2016-01-04T13:53:25 < dongs> at least now i know how to upgrade with media
2016-01-04T13:54:09 < ReadError> break out the lube boys
2016-01-04T13:54:11 < ReadError> http://hackaday.com/2016/01/04/litebsd-brings-4-4bsd-to-pic32/
2016-01-04T13:54:30 < jpa-> how does that differ from retrobsd?
2016-01-04T13:55:20 < dongs> dead OS brought to dead hardware
2016-01-04T14:00:04 < skroon> anyone in here using FreeRTOS with a STM32 board?
2016-01-04T14:00:20 < jpa-> i've used it in a work project
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2016-01-04T14:00:41 < pid> but i'm still starting with a project.
2016-01-04T14:00:45 < skroon> jpa-: I was looking for ways to have multiple tasks
2016-01-04T14:01:10 < zyp> that's the point of an os
2016-01-04T14:01:29 < skroon> zyp: oke more specific, I was looking at ways to also have interruptable tasks :-)
2016-01-04T14:01:50 < jpa-> sure, it does that
2016-01-04T14:01:52 < pid> queues, semaphores,…?
2016-01-04T14:01:59 < pid> idk
2016-01-04T14:02:03 < skroon> i've got some blocking http calls over gsm modem, that can block for like 2 minutes when downloading
2016-01-04T14:02:31 < zyp> well
2016-01-04T14:02:32 < jpa-> though on cortex-m, you can interrupt interrupts also, so if you just organize priorities you can do everything in interrupts
2016-01-04T14:02:35 < skroon> I was hoping to get around that with a scheduler that would let me interrupt tasks
2016-01-04T14:03:03 < zyp> then your software architecture sounds kinda broken, so you might want to start by fixing that
2016-01-04T14:03:10 < skroon> jpa-: insides my interrupts I probably shouldn't do anything over I2C right?
2016-01-04T14:03:46 < skroon> zyp: yeah but it's a huge undertaking to fix it... basically I want the architecture to be non-blocking, but I haven't seen many people doing this
2016-01-04T14:07:32 < dongs> non-blogging
2016-01-04T14:08:14 < dongs> 7. Once it loads click the check mark and hit the button with Chinese letters. This whole software is in Chinese and not in English. Don't worry.
2016-01-04T14:08:19 < dongs> 8. Wait patiently. It will say 'done' but it's not all done until the popup windows appears and says All Done. Then REMOVE the usb and reboot.
2016-01-04T14:08:22 < dongs> lol
2016-01-04T14:08:59 < skroon> zyp: if you happen to know a gsm library that is non-blocking, I would love to hear from it ;-)
2016-01-04T14:09:13 < dongs> whats gsm?
2016-01-04T14:09:19 < skroon> sim900
2016-01-04T14:09:56 < dongs> err?
2016-01-04T14:10:04 < dongs> isnt that just some shitty serial module
2016-01-04T14:10:09 < dongs> also, "library"?
2016-01-04T14:12:35 < skroon> you communicate over serial indeed to the sim900, but it has features like doing http requests, opening tcp sockets etc
2016-01-04T14:12:48 < skroon> have to handle proper error responses
2016-01-04T14:13:24 < skroon> so encapsulating this in a library would be the way to go I think, what do you suggest?
2016-01-04T14:15:57 < ReadError> lol dongs if you go to Activation -> Change product key
2016-01-04T14:16:06 < ReadError> the entire settings process freezes
2016-01-04T14:18:20 < zyp> skroon, no need to do a blocking wait, just have a state machine that you service periodically or something
2016-01-04T14:19:10 < ReadError> attn dongs http://www.engadget.com/2016/01/02/meet-the-worlds-smallest-camera-equipped-drone/
2016-01-04T14:19:25 < pid> i have a radio module in my project and i made two threads for it - one for "low level" communication as in queues for exchanging the data with the second one, reacting to interrupts from the module, and one for "high level" where im receiving (again queue) tasks from other parts of software, doing proper "high level" timeouts and so on.
2016-01-04T14:20:34 < pid> but my use case don't have "long as fuck" external calls by design :P
2016-01-04T14:29:44 < jpa-> skroon: well you can do anything from interrupts if you want to
2016-01-04T14:30:07 < jpa-> but for your use case, threads are probably better
2016-01-04T14:33:10 < dongs> ReadError: seen, axis is just reseller of cheerson shit
2016-01-04T14:34:08 < skroon> zyp: i'm currently using https://github.com/SodaqMoja/GPRSbee    this code unforutantely isn't written as a state machine
2016-01-04T14:34:20 < dongs> um
2016-01-04T14:34:24 < dongs> its also written in C++
2016-01-04T14:34:34 < skroon> dongs: what do you mean?
2016-01-04T14:34:50 < dongs> well, if you don't know the difference at this point, you probably don't need my answer either
2016-01-04T14:35:12 < dongs> cleaned my desk, holy shit so much trash was on it
2016-01-04T14:35:16 < dongs> almost ready to restart innovating
2016-01-04T14:35:39 < skroon> dongs: just didn't know where you are getting at
2016-01-04T14:36:02 < zyp> skroon, so what you're saying is that "I want to use shitty code that blocks for minutes instead of replacing it with proper code, so I want to have it only block a single thread while other threads do other stuff"?
2016-01-04T14:36:30 < skroon> zyp: yes, poor mans fix :-) so I don't have to rewrite this whole sim900 lib for now
2016-01-04T14:38:03 < dongs> Payment Method: PalPay preferred
2016-01-04T14:39:49 < skroon> zyp: the thing is, none of the online sim900 libraries that are out there, have written these long http downloads in a non-blocking way, all of them block
2016-01-04T14:40:07 < skroon> zyp: so from theory I understand you want to write stuff non-blocking, I just don't see it happening much
2016-01-04T14:43:00 < jpa-> zyp: hey, just blocking a single thread is great
2016-01-04T14:43:13 < jpa-> the at command lib we use at work has 4 threads all to itself
2016-01-04T14:43:21 < jpa-> total of 10kB or so of stack space totally wasted
2016-01-04T14:43:42 < skroon> jpa-: what kind of scheduler do you use at work?
2016-01-04T14:43:51 < jpa-> skroon: in that project, it is used with freertos
2016-01-04T14:44:17 < skroon> jpa-: yeah I don't see it being an issue either, having a thread be blocked, basically this is a non issue if using a scheduler :-)
2016-01-04T14:44:23 < zyp> jpa-, are you sarcastic or not?
2016-01-04T14:44:39 < jpa-> zyp: well.. "it could be worse"
2016-01-04T14:44:42 < zyp> I'm inclined to agree in either case, depending on other circumstances :)
2016-01-04T14:44:49 < jpa-> and the work situation is true :P
2016-01-04T14:45:23 < skroon> jpa-: ah cool! I was looking into FreeRTOS as well, then I found that mbed Minar scheduler as well (it's a run-to-completion type of scheduler so not what I need if I got blocking threads though)
2016-01-04T14:45:25 < jpa-> skroon: yeah, it just wastes stack space and some cpu time, but can be easier to code
2016-01-04T14:45:50 < zyp> skroon, do you have any experience with multithreading?
2016-01-04T14:45:57 < skroon> zyp: little
2016-01-04T14:46:10 < jpa-> i kind of like how qt does things, everything event based.. but it sure is tedious to code that way
2016-01-04T14:47:28 < zyp> I like how tornado does things, but until C++ gets proper resumable functions, that's not going to be very fun to do on a mcu
2016-01-04T14:48:14 < skroon> jpa-: so that "at command lib" is also for a gsm by any chance ? :-)
2016-01-04T14:48:23 < jpa-> skroon: 3g, but yeah
2016-01-04T14:48:45 < skroon> jpa-: can you share which chip/brand it is?
2016-01-04T14:48:48 < skroon> just curious
2016-01-04T14:48:51 < jpa-> nope
2016-01-04T14:49:08 < jpa-> don't even remember :P
2016-01-04T14:49:17 < skroon> oke :-)
2016-01-04T14:49:54 < skroon> jpa-: so how come it used up 4 threads btw?
2016-01-04T14:50:31 < zyp> every command that's pending at the same time will block one thread
2016-01-04T14:50:31 < jpa-> well, one to read serial port.. another to parse the AT replies.. third to handle some asynchronous events like "connection closed".. and fourth to do what it is actually doing
2016-01-04T14:50:59 < zyp> so a threaded model doesn't scale very well when you need to have a bunch of stuff pending at once
2016-01-04T14:51:29 < skroon> zyp: so to do it properly a statemachine would be the way to go then right?
2016-01-04T14:51:44 < skroon> or would that also become really hard to manage?
2016-01-04T14:52:21 < jpa-> anything works, really - not like you will have 10 gsm modules
2016-01-04T14:52:37 < zyp> depends on the application
2016-01-04T14:52:47 < skroon> jpa-: indeed ill just have one :-)
2016-01-04T14:53:07 < zyp> state machines are good for simple stuff on simple hardware
2016-01-04T14:53:19 < dongs> i made this in pixlr.com :( http://i.imgur.com/i9GtFpm.jpg
2016-01-04T14:53:23 < zyp> more complex systems gets into event queues and callback schedulers and stuff
2016-01-04T14:53:27 < zyp> or futures
2016-01-04T14:53:59 < jpa-> in this kind of choices i usually just go with "whatever seems the easiest to code and is not horribly bad"
2016-01-04T14:54:05 < skroon> zyp: hard to tell if my gsm lib will be complex, for me it is probably :-)
2016-01-04T14:54:20 < jpa-> in this case that would be a single freertos thread, plus the serial port FIFOed with interrupts or DMA
2016-01-04T14:54:48 < jpa-> or rather, it would probably be a single chibios thread, considering chibios already does the FIFO part
2016-01-04T14:54:52 < skroon> for example say i'm doing a http get on a larger file, that will take 1 minute to download, the main loop regularly checks if the http get is finished or something?
2016-01-04T14:54:58 < dongs> jpa-: er, so does feertos
2016-01-04T14:55:00 < dongs> it has the queue stuff.
2016-01-04T14:55:08 < jpa-> dongs: but no serial port driver for stm32
2016-01-04T14:55:14 < dongs> shruggin
2016-01-04T14:55:19 < dongs> who needs hal shit
2016-01-04T14:55:24 < jpa-> me, i'm lazy
2016-01-04T14:55:27 < dongs> does chibidongs evne compile with a real compiler?
2016-01-04T14:55:29 < zyp> skroon, uh, downloaded to where?
2016-01-04T14:55:48 < dongs> SD maybe?
2016-01-04T14:55:49 < skroon> zyp: to flash
2016-01-04T14:55:55 < dongs> 1 meg to flash?
2016-01-04T14:56:04 < jpa-> skroon: where will you be moving the data from modem to flash?
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2016-01-04T14:56:20 < skroon> yes it's a SD card, (flash memory)
2016-01-04T14:56:41 < skroon> jpa-: well the model is going to be full every x bytes, so then I have to write those bytes to sd card (flash)
2016-01-04T14:57:26 < dongs> i think you're way over your head
2016-01-04T14:57:30 < dongs> into this
2016-01-04T14:57:32 < dongs> and it wont work
2016-01-04T14:57:42 < jpa-> skroon: so your thread is not actually idle but moving the data around
2016-01-04T14:58:01 < jpa-> dongs: matches pretty much every my project ever ;)
2016-01-04T14:58:14 < skroon> jpa-: hahaha glad you said that :D
2016-01-04T14:58:47 < skroon> jpa-: yeah it's moving data around, but in the meantime I want it to still react to other events that are happning, like button presses, collecting sensor data etc
2016-01-04T14:59:07 < skroon> dongs: probably
2016-01-04T14:59:31 < dongs> you dont really need RTOS for any of this shit
2016-01-04T14:59:47 < dongs> have something in systick polling your tcp API st uff
2016-01-04T14:59:51 < jpa-> i'd use rtos and threads, rather than go reimplementing fatfs to be state machine based
2016-01-04T14:59:52 < dongs> have interrupts for everythign else
2016-01-04T15:00:09 < jpa-> because in addition to waiting on the modem, you will be waiting on the sd card
2016-01-04T15:00:20 < skroon> jpa-: ah, fatfs is also going to be blocking you mean?
2016-01-04T15:00:22 < jpa-> rewriting stuff to be state machine based scales really badly when you need a lot of libs
2016-01-04T15:00:38 < jpa-> skroon: fatfs takes a callback for your sd card writing.. and sd card writing will block
2016-01-04T15:00:55 < celeron55> rtos is nice if you need to do many independent slow tasks simultaneously that have complex state in them that you can't bother maintaining in a struct
2016-01-04T15:01:09 < skroon> jpa-: right, I kept running into a lot of issues when I was thinking about making everything nonblocking, now everything needed to become a fsm
2016-01-04T15:01:22 < jpa-> yep
2016-01-04T15:01:28 < jpa-> nice in theory, doesn't happen in practice
2016-01-04T15:01:49 < jpa-> like zyp said, works fine for simple things.. like if you *only* had to make state machine for the GSM comms
2016-01-04T15:01:52 < skroon> jpa-: oke, i'm back to learning freertos then I gues :-)
2016-01-04T15:02:10 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-04T15:02:19 < skroon> got it, cool
2016-01-04T15:02:34 < zyp> in this case it's probably better to run into a lot of issues getting the threads to sync right instead ;)
2016-01-04T15:03:13 < jpa-> yep ;)
2016-01-04T15:03:27 < skroon> question though about the fsm, because I still want to learn it ... so say i'm downloading this 1kb but it's just taking very long (slow gsm network) like 10 seconds, in my main loop do I have to check if the http_get is finished downloading?
2016-01-04T15:03:32 < jpa-> though he can probably keep all the modem & fatfs stuff in a single thread, so it's not that bad
2016-01-04T15:03:36 < skroon> zyp: hehe ;-)
2016-01-04T15:04:05 < zyp> skroon, it's not very hard
2016-01-04T15:04:12 < zyp> on the basis, it's just polling
2016-01-04T15:04:15 < jpa-> skroon: with state machine, you would check in main   if (does_serial_port_have_new_data()) { run_gsm_state_machine(new_data); }
2016-01-04T15:04:23 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-04T15:04:52 < skroon> ok so the "run_gsm_state_machine" is the big function that checks everything that might be happning in that state?
2016-01-04T15:05:01 < jpa-> pretty much
2016-01-04T15:05:44 < jpa-> it would probably look like     at_command = parse(new_data);  if (at_command == "EVERYTHING_DONE") { pass_data_somewhere(); } else if (at_command == "ERROR") { .. handle error .. } ...
2016-01-04T15:05:53 < zyp> yeah, and state mostly describes "this is what happened so far", and then you check for what you expect to happen, and take the appropriate action based on that
2016-01-04T15:06:51 < celeron55> in a non-state-machine-implementation that state resides on the stack in variables and in the branches the code has taken so far
2016-01-04T15:07:00 < jpa-> at the point when you handle more than downloading, it would be     if (state == STATE_DOWNLOADING_FILE) ... else if (state == STATE_CONNECTING) ...
2016-01-04T15:07:37 < skroon> jpa-: thanks that clarifies a lot actually
2016-01-04T15:08:15 < jpa-> :)
2016-01-04T15:09:07 < skroon> jpa-: I started drawing out a state diagram, but it blew up pretty quickly when I thought about all the possible states
2016-01-04T15:10:23 < jpa-> one simple state machine from one of my hobby projects:  http://essentialscrap.com/toycar/statemachine.png   https://svn.kapsi.fi/jpa/auto/control.c
2016-01-04T15:11:02 < dongs> er
2016-01-04T15:11:07 < dongs> did you make that in GNU dia
2016-01-04T15:11:52 < jpa-> no, inkscape
2016-01-04T15:12:03 < jpa-> looks like it, doesn't it? ;)
2016-01-04T15:13:13 < skroon> jpa-: so control_iteration() would be the thing that get's called from the main loop for example right?
2016-01-04T15:14:17 < jpa-> yeah, you can see the main loop at the bottom here  https://svn.kapsi.fi/jpa/auto/main.c
2016-01-04T15:14:54 < jpa-> here the interrupts pass any events to control_iteration() directly by global vars without going through main
2016-01-04T15:15:16 < jpa-> easiest way to do it for such a simple thing, but generally having tons of global variables gets messy at some point
2016-01-04T15:15:38 < skroon> jpa-: so in a perfect world would this have been a queue then instead, and then the queue would have been passed in during the creation of the state machine?
2016-01-04T15:16:04 < jpa-> perhaps, or maybe a struct with all the relevant info in one place
2016-01-04T15:16:32 < jpa-> in this case there was no need to queue events, but for e.g. modem communication there probably would be
2016-01-04T15:17:58 < skroon> jpa-: but important would be that this struct or queue would be injected into the state machine right? I've always struggled with how to get rid of global state in these scenario's, because depending directly on a queue or something is still more or less the module coupling to some kind of global state
2016-01-04T15:18:53 < jpa-> yeah, passing it as an argument like    control_iteration(&event_struct);   would make it cleaner
2016-01-04T15:19:01 < skroon> jpa-: cool
2016-01-04T15:19:26 < jpa-> nowadays i still use per-file "global" variables happily (static int g_foobar;) but try to avoid using global vars across many files
2016-01-04T15:19:29 < celeron55> you just want to have a polled function that has a way to know 1) what is it that it should try to achieve at the moment, 2) what it did the last time; then it knows what to look for at the moment and based on that, it knows how what to do and how to modify the state so that the next iteration handles the next thing
2016-01-04T15:21:04 < jpa-> skroon: i don't usually worry that much about cross dependencies unless i'm specifically trying to make a reusable library
2016-01-04T15:21:29 < jpa-> so for me the issue about global vars is more about  1) not being possible to have multiple instances  and  2) difficult to follow what goes where
2016-01-04T15:21:33 < skroon> jpa-: right, making everything too abstract probably get's a real mess :)
2016-01-04T15:21:36 < celeron55> storing all of the state in a struct allocated by the caller is a good way to make a library
2016-01-04T15:22:18 < skroon> celeron55: and are there like most used names for these polling functions?  .run()  or something? :)
2016-01-04T15:22:20 < celeron55> and input can either be in the struct or in the function parameters or maybe even in callbacks
2016-01-04T15:22:59 < celeron55> run(), step(), update(), whatever like that
2016-01-04T15:23:35 < skroon> ahhh update() is perhaps also nice name for it
2016-01-04T15:24:55 < celeron55> i sometimes use loop() when i do arduino stuff because it already calls its similar function loop(); then the main loop() contains calls to all the loop()s and it's kind of consistent
2016-01-04T15:25:33 < skroon> I see where your coming from indeed
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2016-01-04T15:31:27 < skroon> I was looking into capacitive touch capabilities, does anyone know if I can still do a sleep mode, but waking up when a touch key is actived? or does using capacitive touch loose the ability to go into a deep sleep mode?
2016-01-04T15:32:15 < dongs> why would it matter?
2016-01-04T15:32:28 < dongs> hopefully your captouch controller has low-power mode and interrupt pin
2016-01-04T15:32:47 < englishman> surely he is talking about stm32 capsense
2016-01-04T15:32:52 < dongs> plz
2016-01-04T15:32:56 < dongs> does anyone actually use that
2016-01-04T15:33:07 < dongs> can you evne use it for a capacitative touchscreen?
2016-01-04T15:33:12 < skroon> dongs: i'm guessing that the capactive touch controller inside the mcu still needs to have some kind of minimum power to operate? i'm wondering how minimum it is, can't find it easily in the datasheet
2016-01-04T15:33:14 < dongs> i didnt think it'd would have enough nodes
2016-01-04T15:33:23 < englishman> touchscreen no
2016-01-04T15:33:25 < dongs> to do useful touch detection
2016-01-04T15:33:30 < skroon> englishman: you are right indeed, stm32 capsense
2016-01-04T15:33:41 < englishman> but cap buttons like on a microwave sure
2016-01-04T15:33:48 < dongs> o
2016-01-04T15:33:56 < skroon> englishman: yeah indeed those kind of cap buttons
2016-01-04T15:34:40 < skroon> for example the STM32L152RCT6 as it
2016-01-04T15:38:02 < skroon> ah page 18 found it, when touch sensing is activated as I was hoping it was different, you can't go into lower power sleep, only in the regular "sleep" mode
2016-01-04T15:38:26 < karlp> which is probably enough anyway....
2016-01-04T15:38:54 < skroon> consumption reuglar sleep  34.5uA/MHz  vs  8.6uA
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2016-01-04T15:45:28 < dongs> use separate captouch controller w/sleep and IRQ then
2016-01-04T15:45:45 < skroon> dongs: indeed, that might be best
2016-01-04T15:46:07 < skroon> does STM have there own cap sense controllers?
2016-01-04T15:46:19 < karlp> skroon: I can read the sheet too, was just implying that you might not miss that power anyway...
2016-01-04T15:46:27 < karlp> use STM32T ;)
2016-01-04T15:47:08 < dongs> HEH
2016-01-04T15:47:32 < skroon> karlp: well i'm on a battery operated unit, so i'm trying to minimize it as much as possible :-)
2016-01-04T15:48:51 < karlp> skroon: I understand, but people often get into this trap of "omg all the failz can't use pwoer mode xyz" and ignore the "I'll just a 1k pull up on this pin here, that won't hurt rite?"
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2016-01-04T15:49:39 < skroon> karlp: I see what you mean indeed :-)
2016-01-04T15:57:38 < skroon> karlp: and perhaps using a different chip (was just looking at STM8T) also uses more power then the sleep mode on this STM32L152RCT6
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2016-01-04T16:02:48 < karlp> skroon: yes, that too of course :)
2016-01-04T16:07:59 < englishman> which chip always pushes their amazing capsense shit
2016-01-04T16:08:01 < englishman> is it psoc
2016-01-04T16:08:26 < zyp> psuck?
2016-01-04T16:09:17 < skroon> englishman: http://www.cypress.com/products/psoc-4  ?
2016-01-04T16:09:32 < englishman> yes
2016-01-04T16:09:44 < PeterM> zyp pissock
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2016-01-04T16:47:36 < qyx> https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/01/de-anonymizing_.html
2016-01-04T16:47:38 < qyx> interesting
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2016-01-04T16:55:58 < jpa-> qyx: "compiled without any optimizations"
2016-01-04T16:56:39 < jpa-> though apparently works quite well even with optimizations
2016-01-04T17:04:52 < englishman> https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7491-de-anonymizing_programmers#video
2016-01-04T17:04:56 < englishman> relevant :)
2016-01-04T17:08:26 < celeron55> i guess you can also guess how well your programming style is detectable
2016-01-04T17:08:43 < celeron55> i for one know that the way i program in C++ probably shows really easily in the end result
2016-01-04T17:29:22 < englishman> true fact: dongs code is indistinguishable from lunis torballs code, science proves it
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2016-01-04T18:20:00 < englishman> PeterM: ts100 arrived, its super neato, smaller than i thought
2016-01-04T18:20:07 < englishman> but i dont have any 5.5x2.5mm dammit
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2016-01-04T18:25:29 < bilboquet> hi, what is TIM(X)_UP in the DMA1 request mapping ?
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2016-01-04T18:39:31 < qyx> http://www.nzefi.com/wp-content/uploads/Packard-Delco-3-pin-Pressure-Sensor-Connector.jpg
2016-01-04T18:39:36 < qyx> meh, whats that thing
2016-01-04T18:40:09 < qyx> I have never seen that
2016-01-04T18:40:19 < qyx> apparently it is pretty common
2016-01-04T18:45:47 < englishman> yeah automotive crap
2016-01-04T18:46:02 < englishman> waterproof and you need this stupid thin probe thing to remove pins
2016-01-04T18:46:26 < englishman> american ones are the worst
2016-01-04T18:47:11 < qyx> not too waterproof, probably a thicker cable must be used
2016-01-04T18:47:32 < qyx> this one has some space around the wires
2016-01-04T18:47:42 < englishman> on the wire side tehre are often these little rubber rings you slide on before crimping then stuff in teh holes
2016-01-04T18:47:52 < qyx> aha
2016-01-04T18:48:16 < qyx> ok, I need to extend this $10 ebay thing to around 1m
2016-01-04T18:48:29 < qyx> hot shrink tube will do i guess
2016-01-04T18:48:53 < qyx> I am not goind to disassemble this thing
2016-01-04T18:49:03 < englishman> is this to adjust for baking bread in environments other than STP
2016-01-04T18:49:28 < qyx> no.
2016-01-04T18:50:44 < englishman> how was yesterdays bread
2016-01-04T18:51:55 < qyx> there is too much heat from the bottom of this old gas oven
2016-01-04T18:52:09 < englishman> burned the bottom?
2016-01-04T18:52:18 < qyx> not much
2016-01-04T18:52:38 < qyx> although it was more brown than then top
2016-01-04T18:52:42 < qyx> -n
2016-01-04T18:52:59 < englishman> if you have a baking stone or stone cookware, really helps to even out the heat
2016-01-04T18:53:59 < qyx> mhm
2016-01-04T18:54:52 < englishman> plz keep ##stm32 updated with your bread adventures
2016-01-04T18:55:29 < qyx> of course, I should use a stm32 though
2016-01-04T18:56:09 < Steffanx> A zano or tarduino is just as suitable (for ##stm32)
2016-01-04T18:56:30 < BrainDamage> probably better to generate reactions too
2016-01-04T18:56:49 < Steffanx> And images on imgur
2016-01-04T18:57:11 < qyx> will blog hard next time
2016-01-04T18:58:22 < bilboquet> it's ok for TIM(X)_UP DMA
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2016-01-04T19:39:54 < upgrdman_> no chats :(
2016-01-04T19:40:27 < upgrdman_> any zano updates to keep the blogosphere up in arms
2016-01-04T19:41:24 < celeron55> i made an stm32 board and moved an stm32 from another board onto it using a large hot air gun, and developed it for a while, and then usb stopped working on it
2016-01-04T19:41:55 < celeron55> now i'm waiting for a new one because for some dumb reason i originally only ordered one of those stm32s
2016-01-04T19:42:03 < celeron55> and wondering why the usb broke
2016-01-04T19:42:47 < celeron55> that's my stm32 story of the week
2016-01-04T19:43:53 < upgrdman_> replace the stm32 with a celeron
2016-01-04T19:43:56 < celeron55> i'm wondering do these stm32s have any kind of attempt at esd protection for usb inside them
2016-01-04T19:44:02 < upgrdman_> yes
2016-01-04T19:44:08 < upgrdman_> but prolly not enough
2016-01-04T19:44:08 < bloated> do they ?
2016-01-04T19:44:14 < upgrdman_> basic ESD diodes
2016-01-04T19:44:29 < upgrdman_> probably not designed to handle big spikes from cable insertion or whatever
2016-01-04T19:44:36 < upgrdman_> just "human body model" or whatever it is
2016-01-04T19:44:40 < bloated> ESD diodes occupy a lot of silicon area
2016-01-04T19:48:07 < karlp> meh, all these media.ccc.de videos are stalling
2016-01-04T19:48:41 < celeron55> you can watch them on youtube
2016-01-04T19:49:22 < karlp> gotta find them again there then :|
2016-01-04T19:49:43 < upgrdman_> what kind of videos are these?
2016-01-04T19:50:14 < celeron55> just search for the title and "32c3"; you can't miss them
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2016-01-04T19:50:33 < englishman> upgrdman_: videos that inspire chats
2016-01-04T19:50:42 < englishman> the dieselgate one and console hacking one were good
2016-01-04T19:51:18 < upgrdman_> oh, hacker conference.
2016-01-04T19:51:27 < upgrdman_> cool. will have to watch some
2016-01-04T19:51:41 < Laurenceb_> more recent stm32 has worse ESD protection
2016-01-04T19:53:09 < upgrdman_> to be cheaper or what?
2016-01-04T19:53:26 < upgrdman_> i assume esd protection hurt ADC/DAC performance a bit
2016-01-04T19:53:48 < Laurenceb_> dunno might be fab related
2016-01-04T19:53:51 < celeron55> is the actual worseness of it specified anywhere?
2016-01-04T19:54:05 < Laurenceb_> nope but some of my boards fried the usb
2016-01-04T19:54:18 < Laurenceb_> which never happened on previous versions
2016-01-04T19:57:18 < Steffanx> Users abused them more
2016-01-04T19:57:52 < Laurenceb_> heh users certainly abuse stuff
2016-01-04T19:58:30 < Laurenceb_> I had a datalogger that was run over by a caterpillar excavator
2016-01-04T19:58:53 < scummos> hahaha
2016-01-04T19:59:07 < Laurenceb_> going to use diecast alu boxes in future, but it makes CE more complex
2016-01-04T19:59:25 < Laurenceb_> also mil spec connectors for the usb and sensors
2016-01-04T19:59:33 < upgrdman_> Laurenceb_, how so? CE want non-grounded enclosure?
2016-01-04T19:59:53 < Laurenceb_> well...
2016-01-04T19:59:59 < Laurenceb_> it makes the paperwork simpler
2016-01-04T20:00:15 < Laurenceb_> you dont have to show that the metal case can shock people
2016-01-04T20:00:19 < Laurenceb_> as there is no metal case
2016-01-04T20:00:29 < upgrdman_> k, makes sense
2016-01-04T20:01:32 < Laurenceb_> also metal cases arent covered by my CE latex template / scripts  :P
2016-01-04T20:02:10 < Laurenceb_> plastic cased dataloggers are covered by editing a config file
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2016-01-04T20:18:46 < HasAQuestion> anyone here know if the STM32F429VE supports LCD-TFT?
2016-01-04T20:19:15 < HasAQuestion> the online stm32 spreadsheet/filter says yes
2016-01-04T20:19:26 < HasAQuestion> but LCD_R0 doesn't map to any pins
2016-01-04T20:19:38 < HasAQuestion> LCD_HSYNC and LCD_VSYNC do though
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2016-01-04T20:20:26 < HasAQuestion> LCD_G0 and LCD_B0 are also mapped to pins
2016-01-04T20:28:09 < Laurenceb_> http://www.namespedia.com/img/USA/Cuck.jpg
2016-01-04T20:28:12 < Laurenceb_> top cuck
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2016-01-04T20:28:26 < HasAQuestion> wat
2016-01-04T20:31:44 < Steffanx> Tectu ^
2016-01-04T20:31:51 < Steffanx> our lcd expert
2016-01-04T20:32:32 < HasAQuestion> that would be most appriciated
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2016-01-04T20:33:46 < HasAQuestion> appriciated*
2016-01-04T20:33:51 < HasAQuestion> haven't had coffee yet :)
2016-01-04T20:34:09 < HasAQuestion> ugg.. appreciated*
2016-01-04T20:36:07 < Tectu> hi
2016-01-04T20:36:29 < Tectu> HasAQuestion, I dont know the STM32F429VE in particular but I haven´t heard of anybody who had issues with any STM32F429 regarding connecting a display panel
2016-01-04T20:36:58 < Tectu> HasAQuestion, didn´t check your package but it seems like PH2 and PI15 can be used for LCD_R0
2016-01-04T20:38:15 < Steffanx> lqfp100 does not have those pins
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2016-01-04T20:39:40 < Tectu> Steffanx, when I remember correctly the 100 pin package doesn´t offer LTDC at all
2016-01-04T20:39:59 < Tectu> (well, it would be still on the die most likely but none of the pins would be mapped)
2016-01-04T20:40:10 < Laurenceb_> wire bonder time
2016-01-04T20:42:07 < Steffanx> and yet STM lists its as feature on the STM32F429VE page. yay.
2016-01-04T20:42:41 < Steffanx> lcd-tft controller that is.
2016-01-04T20:43:53 < englishman> sure, the die has it
2016-01-04T20:43:58 < englishman> but you can never use it
2016-01-04T20:44:03 < englishman> like 64bit iOS
2016-01-04T20:44:49 < HasAQuestion> yeah, the die has it, but the lcd channels aren't physically connected to any pins
2016-01-04T20:45:01 < HasAQuestion> erm, i mean, most of them aren't
2016-01-04T20:45:30 < HasAQuestion> they should really note this on the datasheet
2016-01-04T20:45:44 < HasAQuestion> i just wanted to come here and get a sanity check
2016-01-04T20:46:04 < Tectu> lol´d hard, englishman
2016-01-04T20:46:25 < Tectu> HasAQuestion, hope that we´ve been helpful :D
2016-01-04T20:46:51 < HasAQuestion> thanks!
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2016-01-04T20:47:29 < Steffanx> so actually none of the 429Vx supports it? Thats stupid because it even lists it in the parameteric select thing.
2016-01-04T20:48:41 < Tectu> ST <3
2016-01-04T20:50:25 < englishman> maybe lower bit depth?
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2016-01-04T20:51:54 < Tectu> englishman, nope
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2016-01-04T20:52:21 < englishman> ragequit
2016-01-04T20:53:59 < englishman> timecube is saying rgb666 is possible
2016-01-04T20:54:10 < Steffanx> but mr has a question left.
2016-01-04T20:54:10 < englishman> and im seeing all the pins in datasheet
2016-01-04T20:54:17 < englishman> HadAQuestion
2016-01-04T20:55:00 < Steffanx> oh, that could be right. Mr. lcd expert didnt know this?!
2016-01-04T20:55:24 < englishman> then on qfp176 and up yopu have rgb888
2016-01-04T20:56:02 < englishman> see, if everyone used timecube nobody would have these problems
2016-01-04T20:57:43 < Steffanx> is someone providing a downloadable jar yet?
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2016-01-04T21:55:16 < Rob235> brrrr its cold
2016-01-04T21:57:06 < scrts> where are you at?
2016-01-04T21:58:06 < Rob235> new jersey, US   I'm sure its colder elsewhere but I don't like cold :)
2016-01-04T21:58:27 < Rob235> 30F right now
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2016-01-04T22:04:30 < kakimir> hah, you puss
2016-01-04T22:05:58 < Rob235> :)
2016-01-04T22:06:04 < Steffanx> learn to celsius Rob235
2016-01-04T22:06:14 < Rob235> learn to imperial
2016-01-04T22:06:28 < Steffanx> nevah
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2016-01-04T22:06:35 < Rob235> I'll guess 30F is -1C?
2016-01-04T22:06:48 < Steffanx> --1.11111
2016-01-04T22:07:01 < PaulFertser> It's -19C outside here atm :/
2016-01-04T22:07:11 < Rob235> thats aweful, move south
2016-01-04T22:07:55 < Rob235> my gf has my car because hers broke down the other day and I walked down the street to the store and I thought my ears were going to fall off :)
2016-01-04T22:07:59 < kakimir> PaulFertser: same thing in the neighbor
2016-01-04T22:08:56 < Steffanx> such hard life Rob235
2016-01-04T22:11:19 < Steffanx> You really use your car when it's just "down the street" Rob235?
2016-01-04T22:11:30 < Rob235> when its cold definitely
2016-01-04T22:11:43 < Steffanx> how far is "down the street"?
2016-01-04T22:11:45 < Rob235> if its not cold.... probably :)
2016-01-04T22:11:56 < upgrdman_> because 'murica!
2016-01-04T22:11:56 < Rob235> less than a 5 min walk :)
2016-01-04T22:12:10 < kakimir> I think I would move to place where you need only loincloth around the year
2016-01-04T22:12:13 < Steffanx> in real yankee mobile?
2016-01-04T22:12:13 < upgrdman_> same way here. i live like 2km from work. but drive every time.
2016-01-04T22:12:14 < Rob235> why be in pain if I don't have to be?
2016-01-04T22:12:20 < kakimir> so simple
2016-01-04T22:12:34 < Rob235> I'm gonna move to jamaica
2016-01-04T22:12:47 < kakimir> are you rastafarian?
2016-01-04T22:12:52 < Rob235> I will be
2016-01-04T22:13:01 < kakimir> nice
2016-01-04T22:13:07 < Steffanx> What kind of car do you have Rob235?
2016-01-04T22:13:22 < Rob235> 06 acura TL
2016-01-04T22:14:39 < Rob235> damn, just realized it turned 10
2016-01-04T22:15:25 < Rob235> less than 90k miles though
2016-01-04T22:15:29 < Steffanx> hmm, that's less "yankee mobile" than i expected
2016-01-04T22:15:59 < Rob235> i love that car
2016-01-04T22:16:09 < Rob235> got it 2 years ago
2016-01-04T22:17:52 < kakimir> 2006 was.. 10years ago?
2016-01-04T22:18:13 < Rob235> crazy right?
2016-01-04T22:18:31 < kakimir> doesn't make sense
2016-01-04T22:18:37 < Rob235> ?
2016-01-04T22:18:54 < kakimir> but 2006 was just few years ago?
2016-01-04T22:18:58 < Rob235> hah
2016-01-04T22:19:02 < Rob235> seems like it
2016-01-04T22:19:17 < Steffanx> You're getting old kakimir?
2016-01-04T22:19:35 < Rob235> lets do an IRC age check... I'm 31
2016-01-04T22:19:52 < Steffanx> didnt we do that a while ago?
2016-01-04T22:20:14 < Rob235> last one I remember it was a 31/32/33 or something
2016-01-04T22:20:21 < Rob235> were you involved?
2016-01-04T22:20:39 < upgrdman_> does anyone really care about age?
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2016-01-04T22:20:58 < upgrdman_> in IRC im 12, in real life im an adult
2016-01-04T22:20:59 < Rob235> why not?
2016-01-04T22:21:20 < upgrdman_> how does age factor into chatz
2016-01-04T22:21:31 < Rob235> curiosity?
2016-01-04T22:21:40 < kakimir> old farts
2016-01-04T22:21:47 < kakimir> everyon
2016-01-04T22:21:57 < Steffanx> e
2016-01-04T22:22:08 < upgrdman_> sometimes i think it might be nice to list user's age next to their forum/comment posts.
2016-01-04T22:22:12 < upgrdman_> like on hack-a-day
2016-01-04T22:22:22 < upgrdman_> so many dumb fucks, prolly teens
2016-01-04T22:22:23 < kakimir> you can detect if of amount of sarcasm
2016-01-04T22:22:45 < PaulFertser> That sounded sarcastic!
2016-01-04T22:22:46 < Rob235> dongs must be like 9 :)
2016-01-04T22:22:58 < Steffanx> 9 inch?
2016-01-04T22:23:03 < upgrdman_> iirc he's 13yrs old
2016-01-04T22:23:04 < Rob235> he wishes
2016-01-04T22:23:57 < Rob235> ... waiting for dongs to wake up
2016-01-04T22:24:06 < PaulFertser> When I was 13 I was dreaming of becoming a "hacker". Now I am a hacker of sorts all right. Just not the sort I was planning to, heh.
2016-01-04T22:24:28 < upgrdman_> paul with his 1337 h4x0r skillz
2016-01-04T22:24:31 < Steffanx> you can still change that uh?
2016-01-04T22:24:32 < Rob235> I started programming visual basic at 12, loved those AOL progs back then :)
2016-01-04T22:26:14 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: but I do not want to. Now that I know how hard and fruitless RE is. I like to read about IT security but doing any project like that myself would be too complicated, doesn't matter if black or white hat.
2016-01-04T22:26:42 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: well, I have some upstream commits so I can consider myself a Linux hacker I guess.
2016-01-04T22:26:53 < upgrdman_> very nice
2016-01-04T22:26:55 < Rob235> never got into security stuff.  I'm interested but not enough to spend that much time learning it all
2016-01-04T22:27:13 < Steffanx> but but.. first you go hack ios and then you go build your own self driving car.
2016-01-04T22:27:39 < PaulFertser> That guy is certainly exceptionally talented.
2016-01-04T22:29:34 < PaulFertser> Last time I "hacked" something was reading "tjtag" disassembly listing to figure out how to put broadcom mips crap into proper ejtag mode to be able to use OpenOCD to reflash wifi routers. But that was surprisingly trivial.
2016-01-04T22:31:07 < Rob235> I don't know what that means but I've heard jtag with hacking consoles
2016-01-04T22:34:37 < PaulFertser> tjtag is some crap that uses lpt ports to program CFI (parallel NOR) flash on many broadcom-based soho-class wifi APs/routers.
2016-01-04T22:36:16 < Rob235> so its about finding a flaw that lets you flash your own rom?
2016-01-04T22:37:00 < PaulFertser> Rob235: no, it's about reflashing the flash IC directly, needed when e.g. bootloader is overwritten with a bad version or damaged by other means.
2016-01-04T22:39:10 < PaulFertser> (directly == by manipulating SoC via a debug protocol run over JTAG, in MIPS case the debug protocol is called EJTAG, in ARM case it's ADI)
2016-01-04T22:39:40 < Rob235> interesting
2016-01-04T22:40:32 < Rob235> there is too much knowledge to know.
2016-01-04T22:41:12 < Laurenceb_> http://cryptome.org/info/usss-hands/pict6.jpg <- lolling
2016-01-04T22:41:17 < PaulFertser> Rob235: you might enjoy reading http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack , it's about using JTAG to discover enough about particular hard drives series to plant a backdoor in its firmware. Also, running uCLinux on HDD electronic board is demonstrated.
2016-01-04T22:42:02 < Rob235> I'll check it out later thanks
2016-01-04T22:43:44 < ReadError> upgrdman_ http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-JqmWJHH/0/X3/CA_01041615270784-X3.jpg
2016-01-04T22:43:46 < ReadError> first stab
2016-01-04T22:45:06 < Rob235> hmm my package should be delivered tomorrow but it hasn't been picked up yet
2016-01-04T22:47:17 < upgrdman_> ReadError, nice
2016-01-04T22:47:35 < upgrdman_> im way too lazy to drill homedrew pcbs
2016-01-04T22:47:37 < ReadError> i duno why it stayed on the pads in some places tho
2016-01-04T22:47:56 < upgrdman_> might have needed to develope longer.
2016-01-04T22:48:07 < ReadError> yea i got kinda rushy on that part
2016-01-04T22:48:09 < upgrdman_> also if your toner/ink is thin, some light gets through
2016-01-04T22:48:21 < ReadError> could be alignment
2016-01-04T22:48:38 < ReadError> its only a few pads on the tssop
2016-01-04T22:49:12 < upgrdman_> is your fiberglass kinda wavey, or is that just the soldermask?
2016-01-04T22:49:21 < upgrdman_> mine lays down pretty flat
2016-01-04T22:49:43 < ReadError> i think thats like, lighting
2016-01-04T22:49:47 < ReadError> it actually looks smooth
2016-01-04T22:49:47 < upgrdman_> oh ok
2016-01-04T22:51:51 < ReadError> it stuck to the fliberglass really niec though
2016-01-04T22:52:08 < ReadError> stoned
2016-01-04T22:52:13 < ReadError> fiberglass + nice
2016-01-04T22:52:16 < ReadError> nice****
2016-01-04T22:53:09 < Rob235> I'm jealous... I ran out and resorted to drinking today.  not my best idea
2016-01-04T22:54:46 < Rob235> I have a lot of quaternion research to do today :)
2016-01-04T22:55:16 < upgrdman_> my android tv makes "research" easy. couch + remote control + youtube. done.
2016-01-04T22:55:47 < Rob235> yea youtube is where I'm going for it, was just gonna make a playlist of different videos
2016-01-04T22:56:00 < Rob235> and hope by the end I understand :)
2016-01-04T22:57:27 < Rob235> I built a HTPC connected to my tv last year.  Might as well use it for something other than gaming and movies
2016-01-04T22:57:42 < Fleck> do you even research upgrdman_? :D
2016-01-04T22:59:49 < Rob235> speaking of... anyone water cool? I've had this machine water cooled for the past year and all of a sudden the liquid levels are dropping.  I've topped it off a couple times but ran out of liquid (I think its a mix of propylene glycol and some antimicrobial agent). is it normal for it to 'evaporate'? I don't see leaks anywhere
2016-01-04T23:01:00 < celeron55> if it leaks a small amount, it will definitely evaporate before you see it
2016-01-04T23:01:45 < Rob235> maybe I should put some paper towels at the joints.  The liquid is green so I should be able to tell where a leak is coming from
2016-01-04T23:02:18 < Fleck> try UV light
2016-01-04T23:02:20 < celeron55> i don't have any experience of such things but maybe you could shut down the system and let only the pump run
2016-01-04T23:02:31 < celeron55> then it won't evaporate so much as it's cool
2016-01-04T23:03:31 < upgrdman_> Fleck, a wee bit :)
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2016-01-04T23:03:51 < upgrdman_> shit i remember in elementary school when information was trapped inside libraries
2016-01-04T23:03:56 < upgrdman_> not you just google it
2016-01-04T23:04:36 < Rob235> times change, embrace it
2016-01-04T23:04:54 < upgrdman_> i have!
2016-01-04T23:05:00 < albru123> Am I just stupid or there really aren't any macros defined for GPIOx_AFR in CMSIS STM32F4xx.h?
2016-01-04T23:05:09 < upgrdman_> i havn't been to a library is like 7 years
2016-01-04T23:05:16 < Fleck> dont lay to yourself upgrdman_ :D
2016-01-04T23:05:30 < Fleck> err, *lie
2016-01-04T23:05:32 < upgrdman_> Fleck, wtf does that mean? lay
2016-01-04T23:05:34 < upgrdman_> oh
2016-01-04T23:06:27 < Fleck> albru123: ofc there are :)
2016-01-04T23:06:32 < Rob235> so many ones and zeroes.  figure it out!
2016-01-04T23:06:39 < Fleck> well, defines, not macros
2016-01-04T23:06:53 < albru123> Yeah, defines, my bad
2016-01-04T23:08:00 < Fleck> albru123: look up GPIO_AF* ;D
2016-01-04T23:08:23 < Rob235> do you ever want to hang out with a monkey/ape for a few hours and see how similar you feel?
2016-01-04T23:09:07 < upgrdman_> ^ beaky right there
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2016-01-04T23:09:31 < gxti> too many beakys
2016-01-04T23:10:00 < PaulFertser> Fleck: can't one say that a parameter-less C preprocessor define is a macro too?
2016-01-04T23:10:19 < Rob235> whats a beaky?
2016-01-04T23:11:07 < PaulFertser> dongs would say "some pumper"
2016-01-04T23:11:11 < upgrdman_> there was a user in here, known as beaky
2016-01-04T23:11:18 < upgrdman_> and he always asked dumb fucking questions
2016-01-04T23:11:33 < Rob235> hahaha
2016-01-04T23:11:37 < Rob235> love it
2016-01-04T23:11:45 < PaulFertser> He wanted to build ethernet-controlled SMPS iirc.
2016-01-04T23:12:11 < Fleck> PaulFertser: you can I guess
2016-01-04T23:12:14 < upgrdman_> :) still brings a smile to my face
2016-01-04T23:12:35 < PaulFertser> Also he said "I love X" about any X mentioned here, including arduino.
2016-01-04T23:12:54 < albru123> wtf, how can anybody love arduino?
2016-01-04T23:13:12 < Fleck> I love arduino!
2016-01-04T23:13:14 < albru123> I mean, that's something you should keep in secret
2016-01-04T23:13:31 < Rob235> what's wrong with arduino if its enough power for you?
2016-01-04T23:13:37 < Rob235> bigots
2016-01-04T23:13:47 < upgrdman_> speaking of ethernet, non-PoE, any idea how much power could be harvested from the signal? e.g. could you suck off 1mA to power something small direct off of Cat6?
2016-01-04T23:14:23 < gxti> i'm hesitant to rule it out entirely but it's a pretty dumb idea
2016-01-04T23:14:29 < PaulFertser> Because if you can code, you'd code in plain C or C++; if you can't, you'll end up blindly stealing arduino "snippets" and the result will be as moronic as every other mindless compilation.
2016-01-04T23:14:31 < upgrdman_> inorite, but still
2016-01-04T23:14:46 < albru123> IDK, I think Arduino is kinda useless when you can just hook up ATmega to some programmer and do whatever you want
2016-01-04T23:15:27 < Rob235> man there are different platforms for different purposes.  who cares what is used if it  gets the job done in time
2016-01-04T23:16:06 < upgrdman_> arduinos get people into electronics. the good ones move on to real stuff.
2016-01-04T23:16:19 < Rob235> doesn't mean arduino is bad
2016-01-04T23:16:29 < upgrdman_> its not bad. its shit.
2016-01-04T23:16:34 < PaulFertser> IRC Pro EEs despise shitty jobs. And with lack of skills the end result would certainly be shitty in one way or the other.
2016-01-04T23:16:35 < upgrdman_> it's a stepping block
2016-01-04T23:16:37 < PaulFertser> At least that's the idea.
2016-01-04T23:16:41 < Rob235> I started with arduino 6 months ago, moved onto this stm32f4 discovery because it wasn't powerful enough but not because its bad
2016-01-04T23:16:52 < albru123> I never said it's bad, I just think it is used for wrong purposes sometimes
2016-01-04T23:16:54 < upgrdman_> Rob235, me too. like 3 years ago.
2016-01-04T23:17:06 < albru123> Where there's no need for Arduino
2016-01-04T23:17:09 < Rob235> again its about what its used for
2016-01-04T23:17:09 < upgrdman_> Rob235, in a month or two you'll probably shelve or trash all of your arduinos
2016-01-04T23:17:39 < ReadError> do you miss Serial.println() debugging yet?
2016-01-04T23:17:39 < Rob235> this drone is my first electronics project so I don't have much experience. but everything has a purpose
2016-01-04T23:17:45 < upgrdman_> ReadError, ahaha
2016-01-04T23:18:07 < Rob235> why would I miss that? what does stm32 use
2016-01-04T23:18:20 < Rob235> I had to buy a serial device to debug well
2016-01-04T23:18:25 < ReadError> SWD
2016-01-04T23:18:35  * karlp spent last night getting arduino libs and code to run in netbeans on esp8266.
2016-01-04T23:18:38 < karlp> was quite nice really.
2016-01-04T23:18:39 < PaulFertser> I'm amazed at how many people actually prefer printf debugging on stm32s instead of using SWD/JTAG. But they just flash over SWD.
2016-01-04T23:18:51 < karlp> now I can use c++ _and_ arduino _and_ a proper ide :)
2016-01-04T23:18:57 < ReadError> PaulFertser lol people do that?
2016-01-04T23:19:09 < karlp> ReadError: people swd flash and pritnf debug all the fucking time
2016-01-04T23:19:23 < PaulFertser> ReadError: judging by how I often I hear OpenOCD users that want to "just flash", seems like it.
2016-01-04T23:19:35 < Rob235> ide is the other thing.  I'm using coocox coide because its free over 32k or whatever the limit is.  I don't hate it but it could be better
2016-01-04T23:19:48 < ReadError> *jackiechanwtf.png
2016-01-04T23:20:04 < ReadError> https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Jackie-Chan-WTF.jpg
2016-01-04T23:20:49 < PaulFertser> ReadError: what did you dislike about "gnu arm eclipse" project?
2016-01-04T23:20:51 < Sync> I wish ITM trace stuff would have better support apart from keil
2016-01-04T23:20:55 < Sync> because that is amaze
2016-01-04T23:20:59 < kc2uez> ReadError, the arduino studio looks ok, and you don't have to use the arduino wrapper
2016-01-04T23:21:02 < PaulFertser> Sync: what's missing in OpenOCD regarding ITM?
2016-01-04T23:21:17 < ReadError> PaulFertser i dislike nothing
2016-01-04T23:21:21 < ReadError> i may try it still
2016-01-04T23:21:28 < ReadError> but its pretty similar to chibistudio
2016-01-04T23:21:41 < PaulFertser> But no silly limits, and runs on all common OSes.
2016-01-04T23:21:50 < Rob235> arduino does what its supposed to but I'm happy with std periph on stm32
2016-01-04T23:23:15 < Sync> oh, it has support for it PaulFertser? the last time I looked it did not
2016-01-04T23:23:24 < karlp> PaulFertser: re gnu arm eclipse, the "eclipse" part ;)
2016-01-04T23:23:26 < PaulFertser> Sync: since 0.9.0, yes.
2016-01-04T23:23:38 < karlp> Sync: jackie chan gif
2016-01-04T23:23:49 < Sync> maybe
2016-01-04T23:24:08 < PaulFertser> Sync: I wrote the parts that seemed to be immediately useful, but if you have any specific usecases not covered, feel free to complain.
2016-01-04T23:24:08 < ReadError> openocd works great
2016-01-04T23:24:52 < Sync> I need to look into it
2016-01-04T23:25:39 < Rob235> blah
2016-01-04T23:25:43 < PaulFertser> karlp: my coworkers use Eclipse and when helping them I didn't notice anything seriously wrong with it. Rather than lack of easy way to extend / write action macros (easy as in Emacs, without messing with learning how to write java plugins etc).
2016-01-04T23:27:13 < Rob235> I use coide which uses eclipse and its been good to me
2016-01-04T23:27:27 < Sync> I basically just wanted to do itm printf debugging and the last time I looked at it it looked involved
2016-01-04T23:27:44 < PaulFertser> Sync: if you want to capture SWO with J-Link, then you'll have to use current code, it was added post-0.9.0. If you want to use stlink or external uart or la, 0.9.0 is good.
2016-01-04T23:28:14 < PaulFertser> Sync: nope, not really involved, please check the manual, it has step-by-step instructions for that.
2016-01-04T23:28:19 < Sync> k
2016-01-04T23:30:17 < PaulFertser> And there's a GUI interface to that too: https://github.com/apmorton/OpenOcdTraceUtil
2016-01-04T23:30:31 < Sync> oh, swag
2016-01-04T23:32:01 < karlp> that gui cilent is only for visual studio or something though wasn it?
2016-01-04T23:32:08 < karlp> for the gdb regsysview somethinggg
2016-01-04T23:33:17 < PaulFertser> karlp: no, it's standalone.
2016-01-04T23:33:36 < karlp> hrm, window sonly though? the .sln implies a visual studio project?
2016-01-04T23:33:54 < PaulFertser> And https://github.com/apmorton/EmbSysRegViewSharp is also standalone.
2016-01-04T23:34:34 < PaulFertser> Hm, I thought it's compatible with Mono.
2016-01-04T23:35:11 < karlp> might be, should try it out...
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2016-01-04T23:38:13 < albru123> What would you recommend to a novice, StdPeriph/HAL/choose what he likes... I got 429I-Discovery, but I'm still fussing around and can't find a way into it.
2016-01-04T23:40:02 < upgrdman_> i prefer poking registers directly
2016-01-04T23:40:26 < upgrdman_> and writing my own functions to do that
2016-01-04T23:40:45 < upgrdman_> keep code compact, and you learn what's actually going on too.
2016-01-04T23:41:45 < albru123> Hmm, I must agree with the last sentence, I'm now trying to do that, but I'm lazy to learn hex
2016-01-04T23:42:03 < upgrdman_> so dont. 0b10101010 FTW
2016-01-04T23:42:08 < albru123> And as I said, I couldn't find the GPIO_AF macro
2016-01-04T23:42:17 < upgrdman_> ok, which stm32
2016-01-04T23:42:49 < albru123> stm32f429(zit6u)
2016-01-04T23:43:29 < albru123> I should be using the latest CMSIS core from Keil
2016-01-04T23:43:48 < upgrdman_> ...
2016-01-04T23:43:49 < upgrdman_>   __IO uint32_t AFR[2];   /*!< GPIO alternate function registers,     Address offset: 0x20-0x24 */
2016-01-04T23:43:49 < upgrdman_> } GPIO_TypeDef;
2016-01-04T23:44:02 < upgrdman_> so AFR[0] and AFR[1]
2016-01-04T23:44:12 < Sync> hmm
2016-01-04T23:44:29 < Fleck> albru123: in CUBE HAL
2016-01-04T23:45:07 < albru123> Yeah, I got that, but there's usually a macro for particular register... I guess they just ignored it as there are 4 bits per each
2016-01-04T23:45:25 < upgrdman_> ?
2016-01-04T23:45:35 < albru123> sorry, define
2016-01-04T23:45:35 < upgrdman_> like GPIOA->ARF[0] = shit;
2016-01-04T23:45:53 < upgrdman_> i dont think stm32f4xx.h does that
2016-01-04T23:45:58 < upgrdman_> it's all structs
2016-01-04T23:46:05 < upgrdman_> so like
2016-01-04T23:46:19 < upgrdman_>     // Enable output mode for D15
2016-01-04T23:46:19 < upgrdman_>     GPIOD->MODER |= GPIO_MODER_MODER15_0;
2016-01-04T23:46:29 < albru123> yeah, usually I could completely avoid hex by doing this
2016-01-04T23:46:47 < upgrdman_> who told you to use hex
2016-01-04T23:46:49 < upgrdman_> dont
2016-01-04T23:46:54 < upgrdman_> no need for hex
2016-01-04T23:47:07 < Sync> thathm that regview stuff doesn't really want to build with mono
2016-01-04T23:48:52 < Fleck> albru123: stm32f4xx_hal_gpio_ex.h:~72
2016-01-04T23:55:22 < albru123> I guess I'll try it with HAL again... Maybe I'll finally realize how to initialize PWM on a GPIO pin :D
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2016-01-04T23:57:28 < Fleck> I think I have F4 PWM CMSIS example if you need albru123
2016-01-04T23:59:25 < Fleck> using timer1
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2016-01-05T00:00:32 < albru123> Hmm... I have StdPeriph examples which were packed with the library itself, but no for CMSIS
2016-01-05T00:03:40 < albru123> Fleck, I'll really appreciate it
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2016-01-05T00:07:56 < Fleck> hey fenugrec!
2016-01-05T00:08:32 < fenugrec> Fleck, sup
2016-01-05T00:38:39 < karlp> http://www.clifford.at/papers/2015/icestorm-flow/slides.pdf page 29 is nice.  it might be a bit less efficient than the "pro" tools, but it's way faster.
2016-01-05T00:43:32 < upgrdman_> not sure if anyone cares, but while researching delta-sigma ADCs i found this paper, and it's fucking awesome at explaining shit:  http://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:650302/FULLTEXT01.pdf
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2016-01-05T01:09:29 < karlp> heh, the video says it's less efficient at some things, and substantially _more_ efficient at others.
2016-01-05T01:09:32 < karlp> awesome.
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2016-01-05T02:05:15 < kakimir> is it true
2016-01-05T02:06:33 < kakimir> once you shift-delete files from your ssd?
2016-01-05T02:06:55 < kakimir> they are like.. gonez?
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2016-01-05T02:08:11 < kakimir> somehow there happend little misselection in some phase
2016-01-05T02:10:20 < celeron55> it depends on the filesystem in ways that i don't know, but if you want to have any hope in recovering them you should probably cut off power from the system immediately so that it doesn't overwrite them with other files
2016-01-05T02:11:30 < celeron55> i guess some modern filesystems might immediately write something over them for easier recovery from errors or whatever though
2016-01-05T02:12:53 < celeron55> altough, if you are using ssd and TRIM happens to be enabled and it happened to run already, that might also mean they are completely lost
2016-01-05T02:13:04 < celeron55> it doesn't necessarily run immediately though
2016-01-05T02:22:19 < kakimir> it's like daily process
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2016-01-05T02:22:23 < kakimir> not all the time
2016-01-05T02:22:45 < kakimir> I think I found some tool that finds something
2016-01-05T02:22:54 < kakimir> hope so
2016-01-05T02:25:50 < celeron55> you probably just downloaded it on top of the files you deleted
2016-01-05T02:26:10 < kakimir> there is plenty of room in ssd
2016-01-05T02:26:14 < kakimir> why would it
2016-01-05T02:26:36 < celeron55> a filesystem has no reason to spread files apart
2016-01-05T02:27:09 < celeron55> the ssd will internally spread the writes but the OS won't be able to access the data even while it won't be overwritten on the actual flash media, due to the block device abstraction
2016-01-05T02:27:46 < kakimir> if I don't remember I had anything of importance there
2016-01-05T02:28:10 < kakimir> maybe I didn't
2016-01-05T02:29:12 < celeron55> so where's your backup
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2016-01-05T02:30:42 < kakimir> :D
2016-01-05T02:30:47 < kakimir> wwhaat
2016-01-05T02:31:21 < kakimir> I was just about to backup
2016-01-05T02:31:36 < kakimir> is it was or were?
2016-01-05T02:31:55 < Laurenceb_> https://media.giphy.com/media/QKPwjNNDu9VUk/giphy.gif
2016-01-05T02:32:13 < kakimir> but anyways I removed some old files and stuff with shift-delete while I had one local directory open
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2016-01-05T02:46:38 < kakimir> program found some deleted files
2016-01-05T02:46:41 < kakimir> but not those
2016-01-05T02:49:20 < kakimir> and I don't even recall to accidentally remove those all... unless it was the directory itself
2016-01-05T02:49:29 < kakimir> this directory is created 2hours ago
2016-01-05T02:49:53 < kakimir> I must have deleted it and at the same time copied files to it
2016-01-05T02:57:20 < Laurenceb_> http://netodd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Evolution-06.jpg
2016-01-05T02:58:51 < kakimir> shiet brah
2016-01-05T02:58:57 < kakimir> what is your phase?
2016-01-05T02:59:45 < kakimir> just admit it
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2016-01-05T03:07:20 < kakimir> you think you can just post the link and not have your comment to it
2016-01-05T03:16:21 < kakimir> my libido has gone down seriously
2016-01-05T03:16:31 < kakimir> same time I look more like a man than ever
2016-01-05T03:19:02 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa3edsMzHkA trump
2016-01-05T03:20:21 < kakimir> "cut off head of isis" "and take their oil"
2016-01-05T03:20:45 < Laurenceb_> sounds good
2016-01-05T03:20:53 < Laurenceb_> one problem : Putin will do it first
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2016-01-05T03:21:08 < kakimir> true
2016-01-05T03:21:23 < kakimir> and problem is that assad is not isis but against it
2016-01-05T03:22:00 < Laurenceb_> assad is ok
2016-01-05T03:22:13 < kakimir> and russia and assad are good friend
2016-01-05T03:22:30 < kakimir> assad and usa are the worst friends
2016-01-05T03:22:46 < Laurenceb_> true
2016-01-05T03:26:09 < PeterM> was expecting r2commie to comment but it appears he isnt online
2016-01-05T03:26:25 < kakimir> so usa goes in like "we gonna kill 1)isis 2)assad 3)kick russians out 4) fuck rebels"
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2016-01-05T03:32:54 < kakimir> and that's how the nuclear winter began
2016-01-05T03:36:03 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-01-05T03:36:12 < dongs> should I quickly clone up hdfury replacement
2016-01-05T03:36:20 < dongs> since the're getting sued
2016-01-05T03:36:23 < kakimir> R2COM: 03:26 < kakimir> so usa goes in like "we gonna kill 1)isis 2)assad 3)kick russians out 4) fuck rebels"
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2016-01-05T03:45:39 < kakimir> they even bought you
2016-01-05T03:50:46 < kakimir> it means it's a good deal
2016-01-05T03:50:53 < kakimir> but for who or what
2016-01-05T03:52:45 < kakimir> or maybe R2COM was born as part of it
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2016-01-05T04:01:58 < kakimir> maybe it was regime across the borders
2016-01-05T04:05:23 < FarrellF> the beatles, back in the ussr...
2016-01-05T04:05:41 < englishman> wow nice emoji ☭
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2016-01-05T04:19:43 < englishman> upgrdman quality posting http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2690/4150029227_7ea7154f91.jpg
2016-01-05T04:19:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0Zy5yqY.jpg typical japanese firefighters activity
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2016-01-05T04:35:41 < dongs> windows 10 actually
2016-01-05T04:36:47 < kakimir> R2COM stull uses vista
2016-01-05T04:36:53 < kakimir> still
2016-01-05T04:40:01 < dongs> R2COM: i upgarded my desktop, its amazing
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2016-01-05T04:47:47 < kakimir> too many games to update vista
2016-01-05T04:51:28 < kakimir> there is no good excuse to have vista in the year 2011
2016-01-05T04:52:55 < kakimir> no probs then
2016-01-05T04:58:46 < dongs> er wat
2016-01-05T04:58:48 < dongs> too much what shit
2016-01-05T05:00:27 < dongs> im writing bug report about unusable jap shit
2016-01-05T05:00:34 < dongs> i weonder if theyt'll fix it
2016-01-05T05:00:41 < dongs> shitsoft
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2016-01-05T05:21:12 < Sync> how does the hdfury shits do its thing? did they actually make their own converter chip or do they use something cots
2016-01-05T05:21:54 < dongs> haha no
2016-01-05T05:22:11 < dongs> you can just set a flag in these hdmi2x2 matrix shits
2016-01-05T05:22:14 < dongs> to bypass hdmi
2016-01-05T05:22:22 < dongs> setting in eeprom
2016-01-05T05:22:28 < dongs> err to by pass hdcp
2016-01-05T05:22:54 < englishman> so its basically vhs and macrovision bypass
2016-01-05T05:22:55 < dongs> my pal wanted to make this shit since last year when 2.2 shit first started showing up
2016-01-05T05:24:01 < englishman> omg what is this crap
2016-01-05T05:24:03 < englishman> so expensive
2016-01-05T05:24:21 < Sync> lol wat dongs
2016-01-05T05:25:18 < Sync> innovative
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2016-01-05T05:54:00 < PeterM> R2COM, just buy a box of printing paper, engineering pads are nice, but quickly wasted when doing quick things
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2016-01-05T05:54:48 < PeterM> sketches, rough schems, diagrams etc jsut to put an idea down wastes engineering pads real quick
2016-01-05T05:55:21 < Sync> the fuck is an engineering pad
2016-01-05T05:57:59 < PeterM> its a pad of paper, with faint 1cm grid one side and normal 0.5cm grid other side
2016-01-05T05:59:38 < Sync> I just use spiral bound notepads
2016-01-05T06:01:02 < PeterM> does it have binder holes and the "clean" tear strip?
2016-01-05T06:01:36 < Sync> yes
2016-01-05T06:03:58 < PeterM> not bad
2016-01-05T06:05:36 < Sync> they are also cheap
2016-01-05T06:06:31 < PeterM> yeah, boxes of paper are pretty hard to beat on cheapness though
2016-01-05T06:06:58 < PeterM> eyyy, A4, finally a 'murican that uses a normal paper size not htis fuckign letter bullshit
2016-01-05T06:10:39 < Sync> I wonder how rhodia can chanrge so much for their dotpads
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2016-01-05T07:09:12 < PeterM> http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1451426327853.webm
2016-01-05T07:12:28 < emeb_mac> who knew trombones could be such fun?
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2016-01-05T07:58:42 < ds2> hmmmm
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2016-01-05T09:47:38 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/5zSaFWl.png
2016-01-05T09:52:45 < PeterM> drugs are bad mmkay?
2016-01-05T09:57:32 < ReadError> ya i got stoned yesterday and spent 2hrs grocery shopping
2016-01-05T09:57:36 < ReadError> did fuckall
2016-01-05T09:57:46 < ReadError> im going to be productive today though
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2016-01-05T10:54:07 < dongs> JST-SH chinaclones are pre-yellowed
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2016-01-05T11:09:25 < PeterM> the plug or socket?
2016-01-05T11:09:31 < dongs> plug
2016-01-05T11:09:37 < dongs> err
2016-01-05T11:09:40 < dongs> the thing on pcb
2016-01-05T11:09:45 < PeterM> socket
2016-01-05T11:09:48 < dongs> plug i duno i ordered those wires right before new year holiday
2016-01-05T11:10:12 < PeterM> the pcb side is yellow from jst
2016-01-05T11:10:19 < PeterM> well, beige or whatever
2016-01-05T11:10:22 < dongs> oh oaky
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2016-01-05T11:21:19 < zyp> isn't the smt ones beige while the pth ones are white?
2016-01-05T11:21:25 < zyp> that's at least how it is for XH
2016-01-05T11:21:41 < zyp> since the beige ones are a different plastic that survives reflow
2016-01-05T11:22:29 < PeterM> yeah, but i dont think sh has pth version iirc
2016-01-05T11:28:47 < dongs> haha holy shit i plugged a mouse into this rageberrypi on my desk
2016-01-05T11:28:55 < dongs> pointer ballistics are incredibly fucked
2016-01-05T11:29:08 < dongs> it like accelerates when you're closer to where you wanan hit stuff
2016-01-05T11:29:12 < dongs> go lunix
2016-01-05T11:29:23 < dongs> the faster you move the mouse the SLOWER the cursor is
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2016-01-05T11:45:17 < gordonjcp> dongs: o_O
2016-01-05T11:45:43 < gordonjcp> dongs: what are you running on it?
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2016-01-05T11:45:57 < gordonjcp> dongs: also, try a not totally fucked mouse
2016-01-05T11:46:34 < gordonjcp> that sounds like what my mouse was doing in Windows 10
2016-01-05T11:46:44 < gordonjcp> it's a Microsoft mouse but it's not compatible with Windows
2016-01-05T11:46:48 < gordonjcp> I don't really get that, but <shrug>
2016-01-05T11:47:31 < Fleck> I get that :D microsoft = crap :D pretty easy
2016-01-05T11:49:57 < gordonjcp> I don't know enough about Windows to work out what's going on
2016-01-05T11:50:03 < gordonjcp> plug it into my laptop, it works perfectly
2016-01-05T11:50:30 < gordonjcp> plug it into the PC here that's running Windows and the pointer moves at a snail's pace and the scroll wheel doesn't work
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2016-01-05T11:55:55 < Fleck> There is a snail in every wincrap user brain! :D
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2016-01-05T12:15:21 < dongs> < gordonjcp> it's a Microsoft mouse but it's not compatible with Windows
2016-01-05T12:15:24 < dongs> it is a microsoft mouse
2016-01-05T12:15:27 < dongs> and it wokred great for years
2016-01-05T12:15:32 < dongs> it just sucks on ragebery
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2016-01-05T12:35:01 < karlp> PeterM: that trombone video is neat, I wonder which was was "original" vs the car one that was posted here the other day?
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2016-01-05T12:39:27 < gordonjcp> dongs: sounds like a weird one, definitely.  It slows down as you speed the mouse up?
2016-01-05T12:40:19 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-05T12:40:31 < dongs> it sounds like luinix fgts propbly  dont even notice
2016-01-05T12:40:38 < dongs> and htis is standard lunix cursor behaviour
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2016-01-05T12:49:30 < artag> yeah, we do it to confuse people and keep noobs away
2016-01-05T12:52:08 < dongs> you also keep any sane people awaky
2016-01-05T12:52:10 < dongs> away
2016-01-05T12:52:44 < artag> we don't need no steenkin sanity
2016-01-05T12:54:58 < gordonjcp> hm
2016-01-05T12:55:05 < gordonjcp> maybe I'm not sane enough to understand Windows then
2016-01-05T12:55:15 < gordonjcp> I thought it was because I wasn't geeky enough to understand it
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2016-01-05T14:44:51 < Steffann> Rockoon done yet Laurenceb_ ?
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2016-01-05T14:58:43 < PeterM> Laurenceb_, http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1451436018860.webm
2016-01-05T14:59:53 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/pol/src/1451784367029.webm
2016-01-05T15:01:10 < PeterM> gaaaaaassssss
2016-01-05T15:01:11 < PeterM> ?
2016-01-05T15:01:48 < dongs> https://youtu.be/9IsX0G_hLa8?t=24 LOL
2016-01-05T15:02:27 < dongs> that nigga got plowed
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2016-01-05T15:08:48 < englishman> what country is that? that drives on the left, but also has pickup trucks
2016-01-05T15:13:31 < PeterM> that
2016-01-05T15:13:36 < PeterM> is a really good question
2016-01-05T15:14:42 < ReadError> well its asian
2016-01-05T15:15:23 < PeterM> i dunno
2016-01-05T15:15:53 < PeterM> i initiailyl thought it might have been like venezuela
2016-01-05T15:16:16 < ReadError> the yellow signs look like it has some asia crap on it
2016-01-05T15:16:47 < PeterM> it could be, but it also looks liek a coat of arms or osmthing
2016-01-05T15:17:52 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/pol/thumb/1451878989734-0.jpg
2016-01-05T15:17:58 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/pol/thumb/1451878989734-1.jpg
2016-01-05T15:18:13 < karlp> Laurenceb_: heh, that gas gas gas video is iceland
2016-01-05T15:18:48 < PeterM> those 2 pics, i dun geddit
2016-01-05T15:19:40 < Laurenceb_> pre and post sex change
2016-01-05T15:19:59 < ReadError> PeterM is tony abbott as much of a dick as he seems?
2016-01-05T15:20:06 < PeterM> was teenage girl, not middle age man?
2016-01-05T15:20:20 < PeterM> now*
2016-01-05T15:20:32 < karlp> led to this music video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2arIei1ycK8
2016-01-05T15:20:44 < PeterM> ReadError, yes
2016-01-05T15:21:32 < karlp> god that was such a stupid afternoon of cops being cops
2016-01-05T15:21:39 < Laurenceb_> lol karlp
2016-01-05T15:21:52 < ReadError> https://youtu.be/9wT9XS_TvzQ?t=34
2016-01-05T15:22:13 < kakimir> is Laurenceb_ as unemployed as Iam?
2016-01-05T15:22:40 < dongs> http://www.aspeedtech.com/products.php?fPath=20&rId=376 cool. Supermicro dumped raritan for this
2016-01-05T15:22:41 < Laurenceb_> huh?
2016-01-05T15:22:54 < ReadError> https://twitter.com/fail0verflow/status/684079550943354880
2016-01-05T15:22:55 < Laurenceb_> no work atm - holidayz
2016-01-05T15:23:01 < ReadError> lunix on ps4 oh boy
2016-01-05T15:23:34 < kakimir> being full time edgylord and employment cancel each other out
2016-01-05T15:23:47 < kakimir> but yes holidays
2016-01-05T15:23:59 < kakimir> time of decay
2016-01-05T15:24:19 < dongs> http://www.aspeedtech.com/products.php?fPath=22&rId=429 wow cool
2016-01-05T15:24:44 < dongs> hardware RDP8.1!!!111
2016-01-05T15:25:27 < kakimir> that's.. good?
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2016-01-05T15:31:32 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdUd3OFBScnlCM1k/view?usp=sharing isolated shiet came
2016-01-05T15:31:59 < kakimir> 1.0mm board feels so great and.. fine
2016-01-05T15:32:08 < kakimir> compared to 1.6mm
2016-01-05T15:32:37 < Laurenceb_> 0.8mm ftw
2016-01-05T15:33:13 < zyp> Laurenceb_, you've got experience with CE shit, right?
2016-01-05T15:33:22 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-01-05T15:33:28 < zyp> how was that process?
2016-01-05T15:33:52 < dongs> zyp, marvell conferencecalled me about the 10gbe stuff. chatted with jap guys and they think its doable for ~500$ retail
2016-01-05T15:33:56 < Laurenceb_> self certification
2016-01-05T15:34:11 < zyp> dongs, oh, cool
2016-01-05T15:34:23 < Laurenceb_> but we sent product to a EMC testing place to get emission plots
2016-01-05T15:34:24 < dongs> 2 sfp+ and 4-8 gbe ports
2016-01-05T15:34:34 < zyp> oh, just two sfp?
2016-01-05T15:34:52 < zyp> that's just like the CRS210 that already exists then
2016-01-05T15:34:59 < dongs> yeah anything wiht more than 2 is super expensive :(
2016-01-05T15:35:13 < PeterM> dongs i saw one of the cheap ass switch companies makes a 10 port 10gbe switch for like $800
2016-01-05T15:35:20 < zyp> dongs, checked that vitesse shit?
2016-01-05T15:35:40 < dongs> not since their site was dead/moved to microsemi
2016-01-05T15:36:13 < zyp> that one was still 1gbe with 4 10gbe, so it shouldn't be super expensive
2016-01-05T15:36:17 < zyp> as long as you can buy it
2016-01-05T15:36:53 < zyp> I mean, it should be cheap compared to chips with all 10gbe
2016-01-05T15:38:48 < PeterM> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122529
2016-01-05T15:39:00 < PeterM> if you want an unmanaged 10gbe switch
2016-01-05T15:39:14 < dongs> thats all copper
2016-01-05T15:39:15 < dongs> garbage
2016-01-05T15:39:39 < PeterM> 8 copepr + 1 sfp+
2016-01-05T15:47:59 < kakimir> what is the best paravirtualization interface?
2016-01-05T15:48:04 < kakimir> in virtual box
2016-01-05T15:48:19 < kakimir> for win10host lunixguest
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2016-01-05T16:10:36 < Steffann> Google knows, kakimir
2016-01-05T16:10:39 < Steffann> or stackoverflow
2016-01-05T16:10:41 < Steffann> or both.
2016-01-05T16:12:56 < kakimir> you could just tell the best one
2016-01-05T16:13:03 < dongs> zyp, japs made wat we wanted in 2003: MB87Q3050
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2016-01-05T16:13:44 < dongs> in 110nm process
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2016-01-05T16:17:02 < kakimir> you need some proper heatsink with it?
2016-01-05T16:17:15 < dongs> it only uses 15W under full load
2016-01-05T16:17:56 < kakimir> how about modern ones?
2016-01-05T16:18:02 < kakimir> half of that?
2016-01-05T16:18:14 < zyp> googled it, found norwegian news article
2016-01-05T16:18:19 < dongs> lorf
2016-01-05T16:18:27 < dongs> automatic translation of some prnews thing?
2016-01-05T16:18:33 < zyp> says chip starts at $750/ea @10k
2016-01-05T16:18:37 < dongs> sure
2016-01-05T16:18:38 < zyp> actual article
2016-01-05T16:18:40 < zyp> http://www.digi.no/bedriftsteknologi/2003/06/27/sterk-prisreduksjon-pa-10-gbs-ethernet
2016-01-05T16:18:43 < zyp> yeah, pr
2016-01-05T16:19:00 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Intel/EZFM4224F1433C-S-LKAB/?qs=E2QbwD%252bNCqTHTZQ4MLZ1kQ%3d%3d
2016-01-05T16:19:06 < dongs> this starts @ $717 for 1
2016-01-05T16:19:12 < zyp> they're talking about $200 per port
2016-01-05T16:19:23 < zyp> and multi port memory and shit
2016-01-05T16:19:28 < zyp> that's probably not cheap :p
2016-01-05T16:20:19 < zyp> and isn't XAUI that four lane shit? don't you want SMI?
2016-01-05T16:20:29 < kakimir> why there is no improvements in google translate or any google service?
2016-01-05T16:20:42 < dongs> zyp, almost everythying is XAUI as far as I can see?
2016-01-05T16:21:18 < dongs> xaui is switch > phy
2016-01-05T16:21:40 < zyp> so you'll need another switch to go XAUI to SMI
2016-01-05T16:22:04 < zyp> another chip*
2016-01-05T16:22:11 < dongs> SMI being the SFP thing?
2016-01-05T16:23:02 < zyp> yeah, IIRC
2016-01-05T16:23:22 < dongs> i dont think anything directly goes to SFP l ike that
2016-01-05T16:23:24 < zyp> I think that vitesse chip had SMI out, so you could go directly to SFP+ cage
2016-01-05T16:23:27 < dongs> oh really
2016-01-05T16:23:33 < zyp> but I might be wrong
2016-01-05T16:23:45 < zyp> oh, looks like it's called SFI
2016-01-05T16:24:01 < zyp> http://www.marvell.com/switching/assets/Marvell_Prestera_98DX4211_FINAL.pdf <- this shit is similar to the vitesse shit
2016-01-05T16:24:34 < dongs> ya anything that does "40GBE" is not gona be hundred bucks
2016-01-05T16:25:06 < zyp> vitesse shit didn't
2016-01-05T16:26:29 < dongs> MB86C69RBC
2016-01-05T16:27:19 < dongs> anyway, fail
2016-01-05T16:28:13 < englishman> flyback how is the drop in zimbabwedollars affecting your usd
2016-01-05T16:28:17 < englishman> oops i meant cad
2016-01-05T16:28:34 < englishman> so easy to mix those two up
2016-01-05T16:28:52 < zyp> dongs, anyway, that marvell chip doesn't do 40g
2016-01-05T16:29:00 < zyp> the larger ones in the DX family does
2016-01-05T16:29:01 < dongs> prestera?
2016-01-05T16:29:24 < dongs> ya but it needs external DDR + flash + has PCIe and shit
2016-01-05T16:29:26 < dongs> its like full lunix
2016-01-05T16:30:02 < zyp> of course it does, where else would it queue data?
2016-01-05T16:30:20 < zyp> you're not going to find a 10G switch chip that doesn't require external DDR
2016-01-05T16:30:32 < dongs> errr, the one i chatted about today doesnt need it
2016-01-05T16:30:44 < dongs> 88E6390X
2016-01-05T16:30:53 < dongs> built in 8butt cpu + buffer ram
2016-01-05T16:31:22 < dongs> but since you said that routerbored thing had 2 sfp+ and gbe for $230 there's no way marvell makes sense
2016-01-05T16:31:24 < zyp> really?
2016-01-05T16:31:27 < dongs> ya
2016-01-05T16:31:55 < zyp> hmm, ok
2016-01-05T16:32:26 < dongs> homoPNA
2016-01-05T16:34:10 < zyp> dongs, oh, right
2016-01-05T16:34:24 < zyp> how much is it?
2016-01-05T16:34:47 < dongs> who? mavfell?
2016-01-05T16:35:13 < dongs> they wouldnt tell me until i sign nda
2016-01-05T16:35:26 < zyp> fujitsu thing
2016-01-05T16:35:33 < dongs> zyp, that 26port thing?
2016-01-05T16:35:38 < dongs> no idea,i supose I could ask just for lols
2016-01-05T16:35:40 < zyp> the one you chatted about
2016-01-05T16:35:49 < dongs> the chatted was marvell.
2016-01-05T16:35:56 < dongs> but as i said re: price
2016-01-05T16:36:08 < dongs> < dongs> 88E6390X
2016-01-05T16:36:17 < zyp> okay
2016-01-05T16:36:44 < zyp> dongs, oh, right, I'm confusing stuff
2016-01-05T16:37:27 < zyp> and yeah, two port marvell shits is completely uninteresting, since there's already the CRS210 and CRS226
2016-01-05T16:37:32 < dongs> right
2016-01-05T16:37:46 < zyp> wouldn't be a point in making anything unless it has >2 10G ports
2016-01-05T16:37:48 < dongs> cancelling that one before they try to sell me shit
2016-01-05T16:38:14 < dongs> i wish i could chink so I could search the china darkweb of Press releases
2016-01-05T16:38:30 < dongs> wonder if tehres some noname chinashop that stamps out highend hardware
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2016-01-05T16:48:34 < dongs> http://www.supermicro.com/gaming/index.cfm lol supermicro makes gaming boards now?
2016-01-05T16:48:54 < dongs> omg
2016-01-05T16:48:57 < dongs> X7R capacitors
2016-01-05T16:50:41 < dongs> well, im just gonna order that mikrotik then, lemme know if you find anything more interesting, zyp :)
2016-01-05T16:50:56 < Laurenceb_> epoxy resin pcb
2016-01-05T16:50:58 < qyx> waht?
2016-01-05T16:50:58 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2016-01-05T16:51:01 < dongs> that solves my current setup
2016-01-05T16:51:09 < qyx> dongs with lunix router?
2016-01-05T16:51:17 < dongs> qyx, sadly.
2016-01-05T16:51:23 < qyx> you will enjoy it
2016-01-05T16:51:27 < dongs> it'd replace this noisy piece of shit 3COM
2016-01-05T16:51:32 < dongs> that guzzles power and shit
2016-01-05T16:51:33 < qyx> wich one?
2016-01-05T16:51:37 < Laurenceb_> I hope it doesnt use epoxy
2016-01-05T16:51:43 < zyp> yeah, I'm gonna get the mikrotik myself
2016-01-05T16:51:57 < dongs> qyx, dont recall, but its ancient and super noisy
2016-01-05T16:52:03 < dongs> its in my other ofice so i duno
2016-01-05T16:52:03 < qyx> dongs: i mean the mikrotik one
2016-01-05T16:52:06 < dongs> oh
2016-01-05T16:52:13 < dongs> CRS210-8G-2S+IN
2016-01-05T16:52:16 < qyx> uh
2016-01-05T16:52:45 < dongs> its $199 shipped from latvia
2016-01-05T16:52:49 < dongs> cant go wrong
2016-01-05T16:52:57 < dongs> last time that latvian shit took like 5 days to arrive
2016-01-05T16:53:14 < qyx> why this one?
2016-01-05T16:53:15 < zyp> I'm replacing this huge nortel/avaya cluster
2016-01-05T16:53:24 < dongs> qyx, 10gbe
2016-01-05T16:53:27 < zyp> qyx, because there's not really any alternatives
2016-01-05T16:53:36 < dongs> http://www.eurodk.com/en/products/cloud-core/cloud-router-switch-210-8g-2s-in actally even cheaper direct form latvia
2016-01-05T16:53:40 < dongs> had
2016-01-05T16:53:42 < dongs> their ebay thing ha it at 199
2016-01-05T16:53:46 < qyx> aha, sfp+
2016-01-05T16:53:48 < zyp> qyx, it's cheap, fanless and got 10gbe ports
2016-01-05T16:53:51 < qyx> didn't see
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2016-01-05T16:56:57 < kakimir> shiet that is cool... capslock turns on and off between virtual machine and host
2016-01-05T16:57:35 < zyp> you have a separate VM for shouting?
2016-01-05T16:57:43 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-05T16:57:52 < dongs> haha
2016-01-05T16:58:01 < dongs> kakimir = flyback in VM
2016-01-05T16:58:04 < kakimir> why there is not application depended caps lock
2016-01-05T16:58:39 < zyp> that sounds annoying
2016-01-05T16:58:58 < zyp> I think it's annoying enough with application depending keyboard language
2016-01-05T16:59:10 < dongs> damn. eurodk had 40k orders since i ordered from them last
2016-01-05T16:59:18 < zyp> change between apps, and suddenly you're typing with a different layout
2016-01-05T16:59:21 < zyp> hmm
2016-01-05T16:59:40 < dongs> zyp, you mean  IME?
2016-01-05T16:59:43 < zyp> dongs, does paypal fee and shipping justify the low price?
2016-01-05T16:59:50 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-05T16:59:52 < dongs> zyp, its same on ebay after fees
2016-01-05T16:59:53 < zyp> shit like that
2016-01-05T17:00:00 < zyp> hmm
2016-01-05T17:00:02 < dongs> like +- $5
2016-01-05T17:00:19 < dongs> 199 + ?? shipping. i checked out in EUR cuz i had that in gaypal
2016-01-05T17:00:25 < dongs> worthelss currency that i never get to use
2016-01-05T17:01:00 < dongs> EU shipping was like 5 eur, no?
2016-01-05T17:01:07 < dongs> oh but you'd have to pay VAT or someshit
2016-01-05T17:01:36 < zyp> shipping is $24 to norway
2016-01-05T17:01:47 < zyp> plus paypal fee and shit
2016-01-05T17:02:14 < dongs> 204.98 EUR is wat i paid total. ~$221 USD. Ebay is $199+$29.95 shipping
2016-01-05T17:02:22 < dongs> actually ebay is more i geuss.
2016-01-05T17:02:58 < dongs> maybe 5 eur was just inside latvia shipping
2016-01-05T17:03:07 < dongs> i saw that first and was like hey, cheap shipping.
2016-01-05T17:03:11 < dongs> then the changed it
2016-01-05T17:07:55 < karlp> do you guys have fibre from your ISP that you're pluggin these into or what?
2016-01-05T17:08:13 < karlp> and what do you need >2 sfp cages for?
2016-01-05T17:09:09 < dongs> chatting
2016-01-05T17:09:13 < dongs> irc is high bandwidth , bro
2016-01-05T17:09:32 < zyp> karlp, 10gbe fiber
2016-01-05T17:09:41 < zyp> because it's way cheaper than 10gbe cu
2016-01-05T17:10:09 < karlp> so you're using the 1gb fibre for internal networking, not uplinks stuff?
2016-01-05T17:10:26  * karlp doesn't even have gige, let alone 10gige :)
2016-01-05T17:10:35 < dongs> gige at my place is fucking slow
2016-01-05T17:10:56 < zyp> karlp, 10g internal, yes
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2016-01-05T17:16:08 < dongs> mmm
2016-01-05T17:16:12 < dongs> surfacebro 3 is trending at almost $1k
2016-01-05T17:16:20 < dongs> i should ebay mine before it becomes worthless
2016-01-05T17:16:56 < PeterM> dongs what model is your surface bro 3
2016-01-05T17:17:03 < dongs> i7/256/8gb
2016-01-05T17:17:15 < dongs> i duno if theres different models in taht series i dont think there is tho
2016-01-05T17:17:37 < PeterM> theres a 512gb ssd one
2016-01-05T17:17:41 < PeterM> and 16gb ram one
2016-01-05T17:17:48 < dongs> no wai
2016-01-05T17:18:07 < dongs> you must be thinking bro4
2016-01-05T17:18:17 < PeterM> nuh uh
2016-01-05T17:18:33 < dongs> no way, show me bro3 with 16gb
2016-01-05T17:19:30 < dongs> bro4 has 16gb model
2016-01-05T17:19:32 < englishman> zyp: home fibre is cheaper than copper? shit i could have learned this 6 months ago when i ran teh whole house with cat6
2016-01-05T17:19:33 < PeterM> shit
2016-01-05T17:19:41 < PeterM> urrite
2016-01-05T17:19:48 < PeterM> butthere is 512gb model
2016-01-05T17:19:51 < dongs> yep
2016-01-05T17:20:20 < gxti> 10gbaseT is expensive and wastes a lot of power yes
2016-01-05T17:20:31 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-05T17:20:37 < gxti> i mean, 10gbit fiber is expensive and wastes a lot of power too, but not quite as much
2016-01-05T17:20:40 < zyp> 10gbase-SR is way cheaper than 10gbase-T
2016-01-05T17:20:56 < englishman> maybe i can rerun just some main trunks
2016-01-05T17:20:57 < zyp> a bit more annoying to cable though
2016-01-05T17:21:01 < PeterM> ^
2016-01-05T17:21:03 < englishman> cuz security cams and stuff are still cat6
2016-01-05T17:21:09 < gxti> not the fiber itself, the fiber is cheap, and even the SFPs can be ch eap. but the transceivers still expensive.
2016-01-05T17:21:19 < zyp> haha
2016-01-05T17:21:26 < zyp> the SFPs are the transceivers
2016-01-05T17:21:35 < gxti> NICs, whatever
2016-01-05T17:21:45 < dongs> nope
2016-01-05T17:21:51 < dongs> 10gbe nics all over ebay for liek $20
2016-01-05T17:21:57 < dongs> that mellanox shit I bought got evne cheaper
2016-01-05T17:22:04 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-05T17:22:08 < englishman> with fibrosis?
2016-01-05T17:22:23 < zyp> and meanwhile, 10gbase-t nics are still $500
2016-01-05T17:22:25 < englishman> not copper
2016-01-05T17:22:31 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/171974455537
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2016-01-05T17:22:38 < dongs> englishman: SFP so you can whatever
2016-01-05T17:22:45 < englishman> cool
2016-01-05T17:23:06 < gxti> hmm, notbad
2016-01-05T17:23:07 < dongs> i duno if thats the one I got actually
2016-01-05T17:23:08 < englishman> when will this be available as a raspberrypi shield
2016-01-05T17:23:10 < dongs> but thats hte last one i found
2016-01-05T17:23:21 < gxti> i don't actually have any use for 10gig but i'll keep that in mind
2016-01-05T17:24:33 < emeb> is there a justifiable use-case for 10gbe outside of a server farm?
2016-01-05T17:24:49 < PeterM> emeb epeening
2016-01-05T17:24:53 < ReadError> network storage
2016-01-05T17:24:57 < emeb> not like it makes your games run faster of pr0n more sparkly.
2016-01-05T17:24:59 < ReadError> maybe
2016-01-05T17:25:17 < PeterM> $40 per is pretty cheap to epeen really hardcore
2016-01-05T17:25:44 < zyp> ReadError, yes
2016-01-05T17:26:23 < gordonjcp> dongs: o_O $19 for an SFP card?
2016-01-05T17:26:41 < zyp> my RAID does like 800MB/s, and 1gbe ethernet between the server and the workstation easily becomes the bottleneck at that point
2016-01-05T17:26:50 < dongs> gordonjcp: it even supports LUNIX i bet
2016-01-05T17:26:56 < dongs> cuz some poor lunix fuck cant afford anything PRO
2016-01-05T17:27:18 < PeterM> $20 for nic, $20 for sfp, $5 for pigtail, your house not being cabled wiht fiber, priceless
2016-01-05T17:27:26 < karlp> englishman: tell me about it, I'm _just_ about to have my brother come over and pull some cat6 though the wall replacing some old coax tv antenna shitz, was't really thinking about putting fibre there!
2016-01-05T17:27:35 < englishman> why not both
2016-01-05T17:27:41 < englishman> dont even terminate, just run it
2016-01-05T17:27:54 < emeb> dark fiber
2016-01-05T17:27:55 < englishman> then its there
2016-01-05T17:28:14 < emeb> unused capacity. it will be in there, taunting you.
2016-01-05T17:28:27 < emeb> until you succumb and hook it up to *something*
2016-01-05T17:28:32 < englishman> when you finally updong to an 8k tv and 900pb raid youll be thanking yourself
2016-01-05T17:28:34 < emeb> that way lies madness
2016-01-05T17:28:36 < zyp> new apt has double cat5 from distribution board to living room, I'm planning to pull a fiber through as well
2016-01-05T17:28:45 < PeterM> if its for home stuff you could probably just mechanical splie it all, who cares fi the losses are big, the run is liek 20m
2016-01-05T17:29:25 < karlp> brother works for the fibre installer, but I don't have gear at either end for fibre.
2016-01-05T17:29:30 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/f/PMkTs.jpg https://bin.jvnv.net/f/OBK9p.jpg <- I've got the fish tape through already
2016-01-05T17:30:09 < Sync> PeterM: or just be pro and buy a fusion splicer
2016-01-05T17:30:26 < PeterM> for liek 20 splices? nah fuck it
2016-01-05T17:30:35 < zyp> I've got a friend who works that shit, so I'll invite him for a visit when I've got the cable through
2016-01-05T17:30:38 < karlp> the local fibre gets installed to a wall mounted box with ethernet ports, not sfps or anything
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2016-01-05T17:30:44 < emeb> zyp: Utilities planning in Euro-land is so much more tidy than in the US.
2016-01-05T17:31:00 < emeb> "distribution board" - such a foreign concept here.
2016-01-05T17:31:06 < zyp> haha
2016-01-05T17:31:17 < karlp> man, look at all those nice outlets!
2016-01-05T17:31:26 < karlp> our house is dumb, single outlets in most places
2016-01-05T17:31:31 < karlp> stupid 80s building
2016-01-05T17:31:33 < emeb> in US you get a breaker panel for the power and that's it.
2016-01-05T17:31:37 < karlp> better than old 20s building I guess.
2016-01-05T17:31:43 < zyp> this apartment was built in 2014, so it's subject to modern regulations
2016-01-05T17:31:50 < Sync> karlp: like my apt
2016-01-05T17:32:05 < Sync> I have a single 16A loop for everything
2016-01-05T17:32:15 < zyp> and modern regulations state that the tv spot is required to have at least 6 outlets, to avoid fire hazards with extension cords
2016-01-05T17:32:22 < PeterM> all american light switches and outlets look like some slack jawed fuck hot glued them into the wall in 1970
2016-01-05T17:32:25 < karlp> old house was arguably "better" as nothing was in the wall at all. just run along the walls and stapled down
2016-01-05T17:32:29 < karlp> zyp: ?! huh!
2016-01-05T17:32:30 < englishman> the place im in added electricity in the 20s, i pulled out a bunch of ungrounded, paper-wrapped copper
2016-01-05T17:32:34 < karlp> that's big brother regulation!
2016-01-05T17:32:38 < emeb> PeterM: truth
2016-01-05T17:32:59 < karlp> who's to say where the tv even goes!
2016-01-05T17:33:09 < zyp> actually, I'm pretty fucking annoyed by the amount of shoddy work they managed to put in
2016-01-05T17:33:30 < Sync> PeterM: I got a fusion splicer for around 50 splices
2016-01-05T17:33:35 < Sync> because fuck doing it by hand
2016-01-05T17:34:30 < PeterM> sync the splicing isn't to hard, its the cleaving, and with fusion splicing no need for good cleaves
2016-01-05T17:34:39 < zyp> they've managed to put all the outlets in the living room, the AC (or heat pump, as we call it, since it's primarily used for bringing heat inside most parts of the year), all the outdoor outlets and the outdoor storage shed on a single 15A circuit
2016-01-05T17:34:59 < emeb> ouch
2016-01-05T17:35:03 < englishman> man i hate that
2016-01-05T17:35:14 < englishman> two outlets per circuit or fuck off
2016-01-05T17:35:16 < englishman> max
2016-01-05T17:35:39 < emeb> my house was built in the 70s
2016-01-05T17:35:40 < zyp> so between the heat pump and the computer desk and the other stuff I've got in the living room, there's not much power left for charging an EV on the outdoor outlets
2016-01-05T17:35:44 < PeterM> bloody hell, they still run 15a circuits? i thought 32 was the standard
2016-01-05T17:35:51 < zyp> this is 230V
2016-01-05T17:36:04 < emeb> there's one GFCI in the master bath that controls outlets there, in the garage and on the back porch.
2016-01-05T17:36:05 < zyp> we've got the same power at 15A as you got om 32A
2016-01-05T17:36:05 < PeterM> yes, and?
2016-01-05T17:36:14 < englishman> 230V 32A? cool
2016-01-05T17:36:22 < emeb> so they snaked romex all over the house to avoid putting in more than one GFCI.
2016-01-05T17:36:33 < englishman> i ran less than that for heat
2016-01-05T17:36:41 < zyp> PeterM, schuko outlets are max rated for 16A
2016-01-05T17:36:42 < PeterM> erm, im an aussie, 230v 32a is standard for new installs, 15 is only used for like.. lighting
2016-01-05T17:36:59 < PeterM> zyp but you're gonna have mroe than one outlet per breaker...
2016-01-05T17:37:23 < Sync> so what?
2016-01-05T17:37:37 < zyp> PeterM, but then nothing stops you from overloading a single outlet
2016-01-05T17:37:40 < Sync> you nees to protect the smallest one
2016-01-05T17:37:44 < zyp> yes
2016-01-05T17:37:55 < englishman> if you have 15a outlets on a 32a circuit
2016-01-05T17:38:06 < karlp> nah, melt the plug at the outlet, make money for electricians
2016-01-05T17:38:16 < karlp> that's what one of our clients was doign until they called us :)
2016-01-05T17:38:30 < Sync> pro
2016-01-05T17:38:32 < karlp> very
2016-01-05T17:38:44 < zyp> norway recently got new regulations for EV charging outlets as well
2016-01-05T17:39:16 < Sync> if something burns down that'll end bad for the original installer
2016-01-05T17:39:23 < zyp> saying that new charging points for EV can't use schuko if you're to charge more than 10A
2016-01-05T17:39:37 < zyp> for 16A you need at least a CEE outlet (round blue industrial)
2016-01-05T17:40:10 < zyp> so I'm planning to get one of those installed by the time I get the EV I ordered
2016-01-05T17:40:52 < zyp> also requires some new expensive (type B GFCI), which contains some fancy stuff to catch even DC leakage currents
2016-01-05T17:41:41 < Sync> they are not really fancy
2016-01-05T17:41:51 < Sync> just uncommon
2016-01-05T17:42:51 < zyp> well, normal GFCIs is just a sum transformer and a current trip
2016-01-05T17:43:08 < zyp> but DC currents are harder to measure with a transformer
2016-01-05T17:43:15 < zyp> so shit gets more expensive
2016-01-05T17:45:23 < Sync> sure, but if you have vfds with huge filters behind a gfci you need one of those
2016-01-05T17:51:06 < gordonjcp> if you're going for ceeform, may as well go full-fat and get three phase as well :-D
2016-01-05T17:53:24 < karlp> so, anyone know what "ARMv8-M" is? it's in the newest gcc-arm-embedded readme
2016-01-05T17:56:09 < gordonjcp> I'm guessing it's some new Cortex-M family
2016-01-05T17:58:08 < PeterM> im guessing its the m application (microcontroller) of armv8, sicne they already have armv8-a and armv8-r
2016-01-05T17:59:11 < karlp> PeterM: well, yeah, just curious if anyone new any more about any chips for it
2016-01-05T18:00:19 < PeterM> no idea, it was announced somewhat recently though wasnt it? like 2-3 months ago?
2016-01-05T18:02:56 < PeterM> HARDWARE DIVIDE!
2016-01-05T18:03:49 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
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2016-01-05T18:04:27 < PeterM> ARMv8-M
2016-01-05T18:05:38 < PeterM> wait
2016-01-05T18:05:47 < PeterM> this isnt new...
2016-01-05T18:08:01 < PeterM> m3/m4 already have hw divide... heh... i guess i use m0 too much
2016-01-05T18:09:28 < dongs> laff
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2016-01-05T18:10:31 < upgrdman_> what's stm32f7? m4f?
2016-01-05T18:11:25 < PeterM> m7
2016-01-05T18:11:35 < upgrdman_> k
2016-01-05T18:12:50 < PeterM> has fpu but only single precision  iirc, clive1 rant about it
2016-01-05T18:13:44 < upgrdman_> clive is super vocal in the forums. does he work for stm or something?
2016-01-05T18:14:13 < karlp> yeah, choosing to be single precisions therw as kinda dum
2016-01-05T18:14:32 < PeterM> supposedly, no he doesnt work for st
2016-01-05T18:16:03 < Sync> PaulFertser: have you tried the embsysregview stuff under linux? it seems to run but it does not connect to openocd
2016-01-05T18:17:12 < upgrdman_> works for me in linux mint
2016-01-05T18:17:14 < upgrdman_> with f0
2016-01-05T18:18:06 < upgrdman_> shit notes here, embsysregview is near the end: http://farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-06-14_Complete_STM32F0_Development_Environment/
2016-01-05T18:18:32 < Sync> well I had to patch the postbuild shit out so it'd build with mono
2016-01-05T18:18:42 < upgrdman_> o
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2016-01-05T18:20:56 < Sync> I guess if I only have to use eclipse for debugging that's okay tho
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2016-01-05T18:32:50 < albru123> hexacore
2016-01-05T18:32:50 < albru123> http://v58.imgup.net/stm32stm32d191.jpg
2016-01-05T18:33:07 < albru123> (not my job)
2016-01-05T18:38:23 < karlp> with f103s? what for?
2016-01-05T18:40:28 < PeterM> were you the stm32 buttcoin miner?
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2016-01-05T18:41:51 < fest> why are the bodgewires connected to crystal cans?
2016-01-05T18:42:52 < fest> largest targets for scope probes? :D
2016-01-05T18:45:55 < PeterM> dunno, but ive seen it done fairly often
2016-01-05T18:53:03 < albru123> It's from some model train (locomotive)
2016-01-05T18:54:34 < upgrdman_> why does this seem too good to be true? lol. 256GB uSD for $18   http://www.amazon.com/256GB-Micro-UHS-I-Class-Adapter/dp/B017VE94P4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1452012838&sr=8-4&keywords=1tb+micro+sd
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2016-01-05T18:56:56 < skroon> hi
2016-01-05T19:01:20 < Sync> hmmm upgrdman_ shit does not want to work
2016-01-05T19:02:45 < upgrdman_> :(
2016-01-05T19:03:00 < upgrdman_> what happens. it just wont update the register list?
2016-01-05T19:03:30 < Sync> nah it doesn't really want to start the debugger from what I can tell
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2016-01-05T19:04:08 < upgrdman_> hmm dunno
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2016-01-05T19:04:41 < upgrdman_> maybe try running openocd from cmd.exe and see if embsysregview will work?
2016-01-05T19:05:44 < Sync> > cmd.exe
2016-01-05T19:05:58 < upgrdman_> well oocd has no gui :)
2016-01-05T19:06:47 < Sync> while that is true, I don't have a cmd.exe ;)
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2016-01-05T19:14:00 < upgrdman_> oh ya, lunix. so uh, bash
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2016-01-05T19:15:46 < Sync> yeah I started openocd already, otherwise your stuff would not work at all, but it seems that there is an internal problem in the eclipse shit
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2016-01-05T19:22:41 < Rob235> bno055 arrived!
2016-01-05T19:22:44 < PaulFertser> Sync: no, I'm not a GUI person.
2016-01-05T19:23:20 < PaulFertser> Sync: can you possibly gather more details about how exactly it fails?
2016-01-05T19:23:55 < upgrdman_> trying to understand CIC filters. is the "comb" part just finding the n'th derivative of the input?
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2016-01-05T19:30:30 < Sync> well, debugging registers just by printing them out in in gdb is giving me cancer
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2016-01-05T19:31:47 < PaulFertser> Sync: why? If you compile and link with -ggdb3 you'll be able to use something like "p/x *USART1"
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2016-01-05T20:14:15 < upgrdman_> with an ADC, if you need 1MHz of bandwidth, is the ONLY reason to sample at >2MSps because of being able to filter out noise?
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2016-01-05T20:38:50 < Sync> upgrdman_: nyquist
2016-01-05T20:39:22 < upgrdman_> ? doesn't nyquist require 2MSps, not >2MSps?
2016-01-05T20:39:39 < Sync> 2.00000001 would be enough
2016-01-05T20:39:45 < Sync> but it needs to be larger than 2
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2016-01-05T20:40:02 < upgrdman_> why larger?
2016-01-05T20:41:01 < zyp> it needs to be even larger
2016-01-05T20:41:08 < Sync> because otherwise you cannot reconstruct 1MHz signals
2016-01-05T20:41:26 < zyp> you need some margins for the antialiasing filter
2016-01-05T20:44:18 < Sync> oh, really PaulFertser
2016-01-05T20:44:22 < Sync> I have to try that as well
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2016-01-05T20:55:07 < jpa-> upgrdman_: even if you have 1MHz sinewave and sample at 2MHz, you might sample it always at the 0 point
2016-01-05T20:55:28 < upgrdman_> oh yes. ok.
2016-01-05T20:55:41 < Sync> which is why you need *more* even if it is just a mSps
2016-01-05T20:55:45 < Sync> in theory at least ;)
2016-01-05T20:55:56 < jpa-> upgrdman_: typically if you are actually interested in the waveform (as opposed to just being able to detect a sinewave) you usually want 5x or 10x samplerate
2016-01-05T20:56:04 < jpa-> for scopes for example
2016-01-05T20:56:08 < upgrdman_> ya
2016-01-05T20:56:20 < Sync> which is why 1GHz scopes usually sample with 5GS/s
2016-01-05T20:56:35 < upgrdman_> with a CD, at 44.1kHz, how can it reproduce 20kHz with such small margin?
2016-01-05T20:56:37 < jpa-> but yeah, antialiasing is an important point if your input signal has components with frequency higher than 1MHz
2016-01-05T20:56:52 < zyp> well, of course, if the waveform is not a sine, the signal got higher frequency components
2016-01-05T20:56:54 < Sync> the margin is not small upgrdman_
2016-01-05T20:57:19 < jpa-> upgrdman_: most cd players and cd recorders actually oversample at 4x or more
2016-01-05T20:57:27 < BrainDamage> it mostly depends how sharp your filtering is
2016-01-05T20:57:28 < jpa-> then it gets converted from/to 44kHz just for storage
2016-01-05T20:57:57 < zyp> a 10% margin is not that small
2016-01-05T20:58:02 < upgrdman_> ok
2016-01-05T20:58:21 < Sync> if you are trying to reproduce a 20kHz square it is going to suck
2016-01-05T20:58:22 < BrainDamage> you can get away with less margin and sharper filtering
2016-01-05T20:58:23 < zyp> but yeah, oversampling and downsampling is a thing
2016-01-05T20:58:41 < BrainDamage> a 20kHz square with 20kHz bandwith it's a sine
2016-01-05T20:58:49 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-05T20:59:48 < zyp> bandwidth doesn't mean an arbitrary waveform up to that frequency
2016-01-05T21:00:15 < upgrdman_> ya i assumed x bandwidth meany up to x freq sine wave
2016-01-05T21:00:16 < zyp> it means an arbitrary waveform consisting of sine components up to that frequency
2016-01-05T21:00:24 < upgrdman_> s/meany/meant
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2016-01-05T21:05:18 < jpa-> though with zeroth order hold, you can kind of produce perfectly any combination of square waves :P
2016-01-05T21:06:03 < BrainDamage> which won't survive the reconstruction filter afterwards
2016-01-05T21:06:17 < jpa-> your fault for putting a filter there :P
2016-01-05T21:11:05 < upgrdman_> is there a -1th order hold?
2016-01-05T21:12:24 < BrainDamage> that'd be a 1st order hold with an inverting amp
2016-01-05T21:12:48 < BrainDamage> aka linear interpolation and inversion
2016-01-05T21:13:21 < BrainDamage> buuut it's kinda stupid, since you have a filter aftwards anyway to join the samples
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2016-01-05T22:13:52 < ReadError> upgrdman_, how much you dilute the 35% h2o2 ?
2016-01-05T22:13:58 < ReadError> seems like 17.5 is easier to get
2016-01-05T22:14:04 < ReadError> something about shipping
2016-01-05T22:14:37 < upgrdman_> 17.5 should be fine
2016-01-05T22:14:54 < upgrdman_> i do like 1 part hcl, 1 part h2o2, 3 or 4 parts water
2016-01-05T22:15:08 < upgrdman_> err 5 or 6 parts waters
2016-01-05T22:15:21 < upgrdman_> so like 66% water
2016-01-05T22:15:40 < upgrdman_> err 70% water
2016-01-05T22:15:48 < upgrdman_> fuck my math is bad when im tired
2016-01-05T22:16:11 < upgrdman_> 70% water, 30% hcl+h2o2 mix
2016-01-05T22:33:13 < ReadError> cool thx
2016-01-05T22:33:33 < ReadError> i want that straight drop etch
2016-01-05T22:33:41 < ReadError> tired of waiting on slow ferric
2016-01-05T22:34:14 < albru123> DC supply can replace H2O2, but Cu is traveling between electrodes :D
2016-01-05T22:35:32 < ReadError> hmm tell me more
2016-01-05T22:35:37 < upgrdman_> albru123, how so? psu+ to copper, psu- to hcl?
2016-01-05T22:40:15 < albru123> IDK the correct polarity, I found it on some local site, never used it, but you should put the wire where the Cu wanes to the copper and the other one to HCl
2016-01-05T22:41:01 < upgrdman_> ReadError, on youtube, NurdRage has a video on like 10 or 12 different etchants
2016-01-05T22:41:02 < albru123> Btw you will need more than 3cm of a 0.3mm2 wire for that
2016-01-05T22:41:11 < upgrdman_> but ya, im very happy with hcl+h2o2.
2016-01-05T22:42:07 < albru123> Yeah, it's really good solution if you're etching frequently or hate waiting
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2016-01-05T23:04:07 < Rob235> I'm trying to figure out how to mount my sensors.  I got a perf board and was wondering if its ok to put the short end of the header pins through the perf board and then the sensor boards on top.  the pins only come about halfway up but that should still solder fine right?
2016-01-05T23:04:30 < Rob235> halfway up the sensor board
2016-01-05T23:14:03 < upgrdman_> might not be as strong
2016-01-05T23:14:11 < upgrdman_> but should work
2016-01-05T23:19:20 < ReadError> Rob235, if its a board you may want to have it fixed more
2016-01-05T23:19:27 < ReadError> or taped nice to the frame
2016-01-05T23:19:59 < Rob235> hmm
2016-01-05T23:20:18 < ReadError> mass is low but vibes may cause it to act fucky
2016-01-05T23:24:25 < ReadError> just spin up a custom PCB
2016-01-05T23:24:30 < ReadError> or shield
2016-01-05T23:24:38 < ReadError> then you can have nice pins for stuff
2016-01-05T23:30:52 < Rob235> why can't anything be easy :)
2016-01-05T23:31:30 < ReadError> 10x10cm board is cheap tho
2016-01-05T23:31:38 < ReadError> might as well do it sorta clean-ish]
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2016-01-05T23:51:35 < Rob235> I guess I could do it like this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/99345853/Protoboard.jpg  not ideal but it will work
2016-01-05T23:53:08 < Rob235> might get this which is basically the same size with the added pins on the side which would allow those 6 pins on the left to go through holes
2016-01-05T23:53:08 < Rob235> https://www.adafruit.com/products/723
2016-01-05T23:54:27 < kakimir> Would I lose anything if I booted from usb3.0 ssd..
2016-01-05T23:54:37 < kakimir> instead of using sata2
2016-01-05T23:54:39 < kakimir> :/
2016-01-05T23:54:46 < MightyPork> karlp or anyone using libopencm3 here?
2016-01-05T23:54:54 < MightyPork> cant seem to get the mutex code working
2016-01-05T23:55:00 < MightyPork> libopencm3/cm3/sync.h
2016-01-05T23:55:09 < MightyPork> always returns success, even if already "locked"
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2016-01-06T00:00:06 < karlp> never used it sorry,
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2016-01-06T00:00:16 < karlp> I'd use an rtos for that sort of thing
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2016-01-06T00:01:35 < MightyPork> hmm.. never tried that sort of thing. I'll just use a global boolean if this doesn't work, but it's not perfect
2016-01-06T00:01:53 < zyp> uh
2016-01-06T00:02:13 < zyp> a global boolean is pretty much what the mutex is
2016-01-06T00:02:21 < zyp> but it's written atomically
2016-01-06T00:02:45 < MightyPork> yea, I need ldrex strex to do the atomic write magic
2016-01-06T00:02:55 < MightyPork> which is what the library code is trying to do :/
2016-01-06T00:03:29 < zyp> heh, why are ldrex/strex intrinsics not inlined? weird
2016-01-06T00:04:20 < zyp> then again, libopencm3 is full of shit that ought to be inlined but is not
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2016-01-06T00:08:14 < karlp> I didn't think that code needed to be part of libopencm3 myself.
2016-01-06T00:08:25 < zyp> hmm
2016-01-06T00:08:33 < zyp> it looks broken to me
2016-01-06T00:09:02 < zyp> ah, yeah
2016-01-06T00:09:37 < MightyPork> I'll to do it myself, but as it was there, I thought I could as well use it
2016-01-06T00:09:56 < MightyPork> but something with it or with the way im using it is wrong..
2016-01-06T00:10:54 < zyp> hang on, I'm working it out
2016-01-06T00:11:06 < zyp> I think I see what's wrong, I'm just double checking that I'm right
2016-01-06T00:12:01 < zyp> ah, yeah
2016-01-06T00:12:26 < MightyPork> is it something with volatile?
2016-01-06T00:12:41 < zyp> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/blob/master/lib/cm3/sync.c <- refer to this
2016-01-06T00:13:01 < zyp> strex returns 1 if it fails, 0 if it's successful
2016-01-06T00:13:42 < zyp> but if the mutex is already locked, line 57 skips the status update and status gets remains at the initial value which means successful, which is wrong
2016-01-06T00:13:59 < zyp> changing line 54 to status = 1 should do the trick
2016-01-06T00:14:17 < MightyPork> oh, I see.
2016-01-06T00:14:18 < zyp> because it should be unsuccessful until strex says otherwise
2016-01-06T00:14:41 < zyp> I suggest you make the change, test it, then submit a pull request for the fix
2016-01-06T00:15:11 < MightyPork> yea I'm on it
2016-01-06T00:15:23 < zyp> karlp, considering it utilizes features of the core (ldrex/strex), I think it should be in a hardware support lib like opencm3
2016-01-06T00:16:19 < zyp> karlp, then again, for all I care libopencm3 could have a scheduler and threads too ;)
2016-01-06T00:16:26 < karlp> why are we not just getting that bit from cmsis intrinsics anyway honestly.
2016-01-06T00:16:38 < karlp> zyp: there's a PR for a scheudler :)
2016-01-06T00:16:53 < MightyPork> zyp the fix worked perfectly
2016-01-06T00:16:59 < zyp> cool
2016-01-06T00:17:50 < zyp> karlp, is cmsis already a dependency for libopencm3?
2016-01-06T00:18:44 < zyp> idk about you, but I like the fact that my laks has no third party dependencies, apart from libc which always comes with the compiler
2016-01-06T00:21:23 < MightyPork> karlp zyp the PR is submitted
2016-01-06T00:22:15 < karlp> zyp: no, cmsis was (at the time) not permissively licensed,
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2016-01-06T00:29:02 < upgrdman_> is there any gcc flag to make all structs/unions packed?
2016-01-06T00:29:48 < zyp> eww
2016-01-06T00:30:06 < zyp> that sounds like an awful idea
2016-01-06T00:30:56 < karlp> not as much fun as -mint8 :)
2016-01-06T00:31:26 < upgrdman_> zyp, ya i know... working on a project that is scramming SRAM and Flash full. every fucker needs to be packed.
2016-01-06T00:31:52 < upgrdman_> also, binary data is being sent and received over various protocols, so padding bytes will fuck shit up
2016-01-06T00:32:13 < zyp> which chip are you using?
2016-01-06T00:32:34 < fenugrec> __attribute__ packed or something ? oh that would be per-structure
2016-01-06T00:32:39 < upgrdman_> zyp, lpc1768
2016-01-06T00:32:41 < karlp> MightyPork: does your code now work too? or did you just submit zyp's fix?
2016-01-06T00:32:53 < upgrdman_> fenugrec, ya. __attribute__ ((__packed__))
2016-01-06T00:35:04 < fenugrec> upgrdman_  "-fpack-struct" ?
2016-01-06T00:35:13 < upgrdman_> hmm
2016-01-06T00:35:42 < Rob235> what do I want for dinner
2016-01-06T00:36:00 < upgrdman_> gas station hot dog?
2016-01-06T00:36:05 < Rob235> yum
2016-01-06T00:36:21 < Rob235> well I'm getting italian, just not sure what I want
2016-01-06T00:36:58 < MightyPork> karlp: the code works fine, but I only edited it locally & re-built the library. it's the same change
2016-01-06T00:38:14 < karlp> and it was not locking for you before?
2016-01-06T00:38:34 < MightyPork> it was locking, but didn't fail on already locked
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2016-01-06T01:00:54 < zyp> dongs, say, when does chinese newyears start?
2016-01-06T01:01:08 < zyp> and does if affect korea as well?
2016-01-06T01:01:21 < englishman> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=chinese+new+year+2016
2016-01-06T01:01:58 < ds2> 2/8/16
2016-01-06T01:02:19 < zyp> now I'm thinking specifically about parts availability and shit
2016-01-06T01:02:20 < ds2> figuring out which one is Month, Day, Year is left as an exercise for the reader :D
2016-01-06T01:02:34 < englishman> you can expect to lose the whole month of february
2016-01-06T01:02:43 < zyp> yeah, that's what I'm figuring
2016-01-06T01:02:43 < englishman> maybe you can get some stuff shipped on the 27th
2016-01-06T01:03:27 < englishman> srsly tho, once people get back it depends on the shop, but mail is always slow for a couple weeks after
2016-01-06T01:08:39 < Rob235> if you are connecting two pads on perfboard that are right next to each other can you just use solder and bridge it or is that tricky and you should use wire
2016-01-06T01:12:40 < MightyPork> Rob235: wire is always safer but a large solder blob also does the trick, albeit it's ugly :P
2016-01-06T01:13:01 < Rob235> I'm having a lot of trouble trying to figure out how to connect all this stuff cleanly :/
2016-01-06T01:13:23 < englishman> you should use header pins and jumper cables
2016-01-06T01:13:28 < englishman> preferably rainbow
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2016-01-06T01:37:03 < KreAture_Zzz> Hmm
2016-01-06T01:37:44 < KreAture_Zzz> Guys, how would I make a HAL that would handle both stm32 F4, F1 and L0 devices for the SPI layer for example?
2016-01-06T01:38:02 < KreAture_Zzz> To me it appears I regardless will have to include the right file making it fiddly
2016-01-06T01:38:11 < KreAture_Zzz> #ifdef ?
2016-01-06T01:38:14 < fenugrec> KreAture_Zzz libopencm3 ?
2016-01-06T01:38:29 < KreAture_Zzz> fenugrec doesn't help with cm0+
2016-01-06T01:38:49 < KreAture_Zzz> fenugrec in essence I'd like to use my lib with any of the cube generated base setups
2016-01-06T01:39:09 < KreAture_Zzz> (and yes I hate how the cube kills ALL files  when it regenerates)
2016-01-06T01:39:28 < zyp> why do you use cube then+
2016-01-06T01:39:43 < KreAture_Zzz> lol
2016-01-06T01:39:57 < KreAture_Zzz> I really want to be independant of the users selected library
2016-01-06T01:40:16 < KreAture_Zzz> I guess I'll still have to do a layer depending on the type of lib
2016-01-06T01:40:37 < KreAture_Zzz> I was atleast hoping to avoid seperate versions for f4 f1 and l0 which I need first off
2016-01-06T01:40:59 < KreAture_Zzz> I liked the avr version so much better as you included io.h regardless of which device
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2016-01-06T01:41:16 < KreAture_Zzz> the defines selected right version
2016-01-06T01:41:35 < KreAture_Zzz> I guess I could do similar but it's like wading through custard
2016-01-06T01:44:01 < zyp> you say your HAL and you talk about using cube, I don't get what you're trying to do
2016-01-06T01:44:10 < zyp> isn't cube a HAL?
2016-01-06T01:44:26 < KreAture_Zzz> it's a hal specific for stm
2016-01-06T01:44:38 < zyp> are you building a HAL on top of cube, or something that can be used in parallel with it?
2016-01-06T01:44:58 < KreAture_Zzz> I am doing some drivers I want to be very very easy to move to other suppliers and/or platforms
2016-01-06T01:45:43 < zyp> so you're doing high level drivers for certain SPI devices or something?
2016-01-06T01:45:50 < KreAture_Zzz> yes
2016-01-06T01:45:50 < zyp> that should work with any SPI periph?
2016-01-06T01:45:54 < zyp> okay
2016-01-06T01:45:55 < KreAture_Zzz> yep
2016-01-06T01:46:05 < zyp> then you want a HAL layer and a driver layer on top of that
2016-01-06T01:46:05 < KreAture_Zzz> infact some are spi, others i2c etc
2016-01-06T01:46:19 < KreAture_Zzz> yup, I want to do this in a way that allows me to reuse more of it
2016-01-06T01:46:26 < KreAture_Zzz> It always ends up being fiddly
2016-01-06T01:46:34 < KreAture_Zzz> I thought I'd try better this time
2016-01-06T01:46:35 < KreAture_Zzz> lol
2016-01-06T01:46:45 < zyp> either base it on an existing HAL layer or write your own then
2016-01-06T01:47:20 < KreAture_Zzz> Basically I am using a base class for the generic functionality, with specific implementation for the different units, each also using a hal that is purely virtual
2016-01-06T01:47:29 < zyp> fenugrec suggested libopencm3, building on top of that could be an idea
2016-01-06T01:47:54 < KreAture_Zzz> for the stm stuff one of the customers already use the cube so I need to be able to layer on that
2016-01-06T01:48:05 < zyp> okay, fair point
2016-01-06T01:48:06 < KreAture_Zzz> Others use the older cmsis stuff not in the cube
2016-01-06T01:48:22 < KreAture_Zzz> and finally a few want to move it to arduino later (which I cannot understand)
2016-01-06T01:48:32 < zyp> but you could just disregard cube or whatever and supply your own register interface
2016-01-06T01:48:42 < KreAture_Zzz> yeah
2016-01-06T01:48:46 < KreAture_Zzz> I was pondering that
2016-01-06T01:48:47 < zyp> target the hardware directly
2016-01-06T01:49:00 < KreAture_Zzz> My plan is to make the layering in such a way as to give a minimum rewrite if stuff is the same, even if regs move though
2016-01-06T01:49:12 < KreAture_Zzz> The cube atleast makes a SPI1 available regardless
2016-01-06T01:49:30 < KreAture_Zzz> BUT in order to access that I need to have the right include and thus again it is not as clean
2016-01-06T01:49:31 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/spi/spi.h <- I use ifdefs for addrs
2016-01-06T01:49:50 < KreAture_Zzz> I guess I can live with one line, I was just hping for something sneaky
2016-01-06T01:50:08 < KreAture_Zzz> hmm
2016-01-06T01:50:16 < KreAture_Zzz> I was trying to find a list of the includes really
2016-01-06T01:50:27 < KreAture_Zzz> it seems not so easy
2016-01-06T01:50:37 < KreAture_Zzz> do those defs work well for you?
2016-01-06T01:51:47 < KreAture_Zzz> That seems very similar to my plan btw
2016-01-06T01:52:07 < KreAture_Zzz> basically give the object the right reference during construction
2016-01-06T01:52:57 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-06T01:53:25 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/gpio/gpio.h <- for generations I do this
2016-01-06T01:54:27 < KreAture_Zzz> yeh, but still, every new option gives more work
2016-01-06T01:54:30 < KreAture_Zzz> oh well
2016-01-06T01:54:40 < zyp> of course it does
2016-01-06T01:54:43 < KreAture_Zzz> The issue is really the include file needed
2016-01-06T01:55:37 < KreAture_Zzz> if I use the cube base hal I can simply use stuff like SPI_Cmd(something like spi1) etc but only if including the file for right hal
2016-01-06T01:56:33 < KreAture_Zzz> I wish I could just do a "INCLUDE_FROM_DEF(HAL_INCLUDE)"
2016-01-06T01:56:36 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2016-01-06T01:57:05 < KreAture_Zzz> using double abstraction it could generate a "#include <contents_of_HAL_INCLUDE>"
2016-01-06T01:57:27 < KreAture_Zzz> Then the system only needs that defined and it could work
2016-01-06T01:57:28 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2016-01-06T01:57:33 < KreAture_Zzz> oh well
2016-01-06T01:57:37 < KreAture_Zzz> bedtime
2016-01-06T01:57:39 < KreAture_Zzz> :)
2016-01-06T01:57:52 < KreAture_Zzz> Thanks for the insight.
2016-01-06T01:58:13 < zyp> sure, but then it'll only work for cube users
2016-01-06T01:58:38 < zyp> the question is what's easiest of targetting libs or targetting hardware
2016-01-06T01:58:57 < zyp> how many libs do you need to target vs how many hardware variants do you need to target?
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2016-01-06T02:53:17 < dongs> zyp: like february mid-or osmething
2016-01-06T02:53:29 < zyp> cool
2016-01-06T02:53:44 < zyp> I'm thinking I should shit up some designs tomorrow
2016-01-06T02:53:47 < zyp> for that nfc stuff
2016-01-06T02:54:08 < zyp> at least start
2016-01-06T03:06:53 < dongs> sure
2016-01-06T03:08:00 < zyp> so I'm planning to have you assemble, then ship half to me and half to this guy in the US, who wants some in a month or so
2016-01-06T03:08:24 < zyp> and hope that I get the antenna matching right enough on first try that it just works
2016-01-06T03:08:27 < zyp> :p
2016-01-06T03:08:39 < kakimir> there is that magic time between 00 and 02
2016-01-06T03:09:02 < kakimir> you look clock at 00 and next time you look at clock it's 02
2016-01-06T03:09:18 < kakimir> and you wonder... where did that time go
2016-01-06T03:09:56 < zyp> I don't have a VNA anyway, so I can't just measure the right amount of matching on a semi-assembled board
2016-01-06T03:10:18 < zyp> and it's probably not that important
2016-01-06T03:10:27 < zyp> I don't need it to be optimal, I just need it to work
2016-01-06T03:10:40 < ds2> even with a VNA, measuring match is a pain
2016-01-06T03:11:04 < zyp> http://miniradiosolutions.com/54-2/ <- kinda tempted to buy this, but right now I don't have money to waste on expensive toys
2016-01-06T03:11:27 < englishman> ive seen those before, its hard to convince me its not total junk
2016-01-06T03:11:54 < zyp> yeah, I first saw them when Laurenceb_ linked them
2016-01-06T03:12:14 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-01-06T03:12:16 < ds2> zyp: getting test jigs/connectors that don't impact your measurement is your other half of the battle
2016-01-06T03:12:28 < Laurenceb_> I'm going to buy one to test rockoon antenna
2016-01-06T03:12:34 < Laurenceb_> will see how well it works :D
2016-01-06T03:12:39 < englishman> yeah china SMA on your vna, all bets are off
2016-01-06T03:13:02 < zyp> haha
2016-01-06T03:13:12 < Laurenceb_> it comes with a cal kit iirc
2016-01-06T03:13:20 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-06T03:13:36 < ds2> how do you cal it to the solder on wires going to your PCB?
2016-01-06T03:13:48 < zyp> just calibrate the pigtail before soldering it up
2016-01-06T03:13:48 < kakimir> I need some web explorer / photo gallery / file store
2016-01-06T03:13:50 < Laurenceb_> ds2: the device is a lumped component
2016-01-06T03:13:57 < kakimir> that doesn't utilize php
2016-01-06T03:13:58 < zyp> it's just open, short and 50ohm
2016-01-06T03:14:08 < kakimir> recommends?
2016-01-06T03:14:15 < zyp> kakimir, like http://bin.jvnv.net/ ?
2016-01-06T03:14:23 < zyp> my pal wrote that
2016-01-06T03:14:32 < kakimir> I need it for myseld
2016-01-06T03:14:37 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/pyfbin/ <- source available here
2016-01-06T03:14:50 < kakimir> does j stand for java?
2016-01-06T03:14:56 < zyp> no, it's python
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2016-01-06T03:15:33 < kakimir> *pukes little bit in mouth*
2016-01-06T03:16:18 < zyp> eh, it's fine
2016-01-06T03:16:47 < ds2> Laurenceb_: yes but the solder joint is going to add to the measurement
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2016-01-06T03:17:25 < Laurenceb_> ds2: as long as its not ~0.1 lambda long or more it should be cancelled out
2016-01-06T03:17:34 < zyp> ds2, you can live with some measurement inaccuracy
2016-01-06T03:17:55 < zyp> it's not like the results won't be better than not trying
2016-01-06T03:18:02 < kakimir> python is okay
2016-01-06T03:18:08 < kakimir> if you are python pro
2016-01-06T03:18:14 < ds2> Laurenceb_: not according to the instrument makers
2016-01-06T03:18:20 < zyp> Laurenceb_, let me know how it works if you buy one
2016-01-06T03:18:31 < Laurenceb_> ds2: I havent actually read the manual
2016-01-06T03:18:38 < zyp> kakimir, my friend is pretty python pro
2016-01-06T03:18:43 < Laurenceb_> but you could always post process with custom written calibration
2016-01-06T03:18:44 < zyp> maybe more so than me
2016-01-06T03:18:48 < Laurenceb_> its quite simple maths
2016-01-06T03:18:48 < ds2> Laurenceb_: HP has seminars on these things
2016-01-06T03:18:56 < dongs> not hard to be python pro
2016-01-06T03:19:00 < Laurenceb_> yeah I've calibrated HP ones
2016-01-06T03:19:01 < dongs> write shit code, call it done
2016-01-06T03:19:02 < ds2> even a N to BNC adapter screws with readings
2016-01-06T03:19:19 < Laurenceb_> the principles are quite simple to grasp
2016-01-06T03:19:22 < zyp> dongs, that's the nice part of it, shit just works
2016-01-06T03:19:23 < ds2> if you are using them, you are suppose to use a BNC "T (short/open/50)"
2016-01-06T03:19:50 < ds2> even the cables screw with these stuff
2016-01-06T03:20:11 < Laurenceb_> thats for like 0.01dB precision tho
2016-01-06T03:20:58 < ds2> at the higher (like 500MHz and up) freqs, that matters a lot
2016-01-06T03:21:12 < englishman> you cant even bend them past a certain radius
2016-01-06T03:21:19 < englishman> the electrons get confused and lost
2016-01-06T03:21:24 < Laurenceb_> yeah we have a setup like that at work
2016-01-06T03:21:33 < ds2> cheap 10base2 thinnet BNC cables show up dramatically
2016-01-06T03:21:36 < Laurenceb_> but its calibrated for EMC testing so cant be touched
2016-01-06T03:21:47 < kakimir> I need some backup solution
2016-01-06T03:21:58 < kakimir> in lan
2016-01-06T03:22:15 < kakimir> win10 to lunix box
2016-01-06T03:22:20 < kakimir> invisible
2016-01-06T03:24:43 < upgrdman> sweet ride  https://youtu.be/JKHoqsbMOCw?t=36
2016-01-06T03:26:20 < kakimir> lush life
2016-01-06T03:26:23 < kakimir> rims and all
2016-01-06T03:27:51 < kakimir> I took more look at my storage HDD today
2016-01-06T03:28:43 < kakimir> it's full of 150% condenced assburgering
2016-01-06T03:29:55 < kakimir> with teenage twist
2016-01-06T03:30:14 < kakimir> to say.. condenced awkwardness
2016-01-06T03:30:53 < Laurenceb_> assburger king
2016-01-06T03:31:14 < kakimir> I invented assburger
2016-01-06T03:31:30 < Laurenceb_> I think it was 4chan or ED who invented it
2016-01-06T03:31:33 < kakimir> good times
2016-01-06T03:32:27 < upgrdman> classy  http://bigstory.ap.org/ec2efd1fd2504d0ea93e95f1d1288c79
2016-01-06T03:34:35 < kakimir> I think I go with seafile
2016-01-06T03:34:52 < kakimir> for my file sharing / uploadin shiet
2016-01-06T03:34:55 < englishman> awful
2016-01-06T03:35:18 < englishman> chinese clone of opencloud or whatever its called
2016-01-06T03:35:26 < englishman> which is also awful
2016-01-06T03:35:35 < kakimir> chinese?
2016-01-06T03:37:37 < kakimir> is opencloud rubby?
2016-01-06T03:43:19 < upgrdman> dongs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6F985KEaYQ
2016-01-06T03:43:59 < dongs> openaids
2016-01-06T03:44:37 < upgrdman> dafuq does that mean?
2016-01-06T03:44:59 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz5gja7XtYE
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2016-01-06T03:49:31 < kakimir> now as we talk about worms
2016-01-06T03:49:49 < kakimir> have you ever wondered if there was a huge worm inside you
2016-01-06T03:51:29 < upgrdman> yesd
2016-01-06T03:51:34 < Laurenceb_> often
2016-01-06T03:51:47 < Laurenceb_> especially after I dropped the soap
2016-01-06T03:51:48 < kakimir> that either 1) controlled you with impulses 2) is actually _you_ in human host
2016-01-06T03:51:56 < upgrdman> no
2016-01-06T03:52:25 < Laurenceb_> that time I was in prison
2016-01-06T03:52:56 < kakimir> 3) lives in symbiosis with you and gives you super stamina and healing
2016-01-06T03:53:11 < kakimir> and paranormal powers
2016-01-06T03:53:42 < kakimir> I got once criminal record
2016-01-06T03:53:45 < kakimir> true story
2016-01-06T03:54:39 < kakimir> tried to import illicit drugs
2016-01-06T03:54:41 < Laurenceb_> my dad has been deported from Mexico, USA, Canada, Italy, Spain, and USSR
2016-01-06T03:55:06 < PeterM> hey kakimir so you realize you as a human are jsut a big worm, with a mouth on one end and an asshole on the other?
2016-01-06T03:55:09 < Laurenceb_> so my criminal exploits are minor
2016-01-06T03:55:30 < kakimir> okay... next you tell that your neighbor - the serial killer - is your dad
2016-01-06T03:55:40 < upgrdman> PeterM, or an asshole on both ends!
2016-01-06T03:56:02 < PeterM> this is also true
2016-01-06T03:56:02 < Laurenceb_> no UK is full of weirdos
2016-01-06T03:56:15 < kakimir> I'm scared that there was big worm inside me and one day it wanted to go for walk
2016-01-06T03:56:26 < upgrdman> typical asian woman   http://i.imgur.com/K8EPA.jpg
2016-01-06T03:56:38 < Laurenceb_> old
2016-01-06T03:57:00 < PeterM> i feel that is the dongs story of "how i met your mother"
2016-01-06T03:57:54 < kakimir> mother.jpg
2016-01-06T03:58:56 < upgrdman> any of you fuckers have/had a glass desk? did you like working on glass?
2016-01-06T03:59:36 < fenugrec> get dusty as shit, don't drop anything on 'em, probably pick up a lot of static
2016-01-06T03:59:43 < kakimir> I had
2016-01-06T03:59:58 < upgrdman> fenugrec, ya i am worried about dust and fingerprints
2016-01-06T04:00:06 < upgrdman> but frosted would take care of both, maybe
2016-01-06T04:00:35 < kakimir> just wipe it sometimes with windshield cleaner
2016-01-06T04:00:37 < englishman> 1" mdf
2016-01-06T04:00:38 < Laurenceb_> good for sticking fleshlights to
2016-01-06T04:00:38 < kakimir> and cloth
2016-01-06T04:00:45 < fenugrec> upgrdman you see the dust *the moment* it settles, it constantly looks dirty as shit. Drop a pube there ? everybody sees it
2016-01-06T04:00:58 < upgrdman> lol
2016-01-06T04:00:59 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-06T04:01:05 < kakimir> you fill it with shiet anyways
2016-01-06T04:01:15 < kakimir> papers and projects
2016-01-06T04:01:36 < englishman> if you can see your desk you dont need a desk
2016-01-06T04:02:39 < upgrdman> ?
2016-01-06T04:02:41 < kakimir> englishman has a point
2016-01-06T04:02:44 < kakimir> but
2016-01-06T04:02:51 < upgrdman> R2COM, you want ebay sig gen kit to be cert'd?
2016-01-06T04:03:14 < kakimir> one day when you are rich bitz anyways you have whole table for 2 handpicked items
2016-01-06T04:03:50 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SparkleShare how about this one
2016-01-06T04:03:52 < upgrdman> R2COM, iirc in the usa only finished product need cert's. pcba's and pcb's wouldn't usually count as finished
2016-01-06T04:03:59 < fenugrec> well, I couldn't help having at least a few mm^2 of glass exposed with no project/papers on it
2016-01-06T04:04:06 < englishman> there are people driving 56 in a 55 zone too
2016-01-06T04:04:24 < upgrdman> then no one cares
2016-01-06T04:04:39 < upgrdman> fcc etc aren't going to ass probe someone making $1k/month
2016-01-06T04:05:01 < upgrdman> link to these sig gens plz
2016-01-06T04:06:08 < upgrdman> sig gen != purpose made jammer
2016-01-06T04:06:13 < fenugrec> jammers are probably more objectionable than just uncertified crap
2016-01-06T04:06:33 < upgrdman> now if the sig gen had a "auto button" for jamming GSM or someshit, then ya
2016-01-06T04:06:56 < englishman> pretty sure digikey sells high power amps too
2016-01-06T04:07:40 < upgrdman> link to these sig gens plz
2016-01-06T04:07:41 < upgrdman> link to these sig gens plz
2016-01-06T04:07:57 < upgrdman> link you faggot
2016-01-06T04:09:10 < upgrdman> found r2com's battlestation   http://imgur.com/a/bLxOX
2016-01-06T04:10:19 < kakimir> so cozy
2016-01-06T04:10:35 < kakimir> why wont you fill your place with shiet?
2016-01-06T04:10:46 < upgrdman> 0.5mW = -3dBm right?
2016-01-06T04:11:03 < upgrdman> my fucking calc sucks at rounding errors.
2016-01-06T04:11:24 < upgrdman> 10log10(.5) ... and it shits out -3.010299957
2016-01-06T04:11:41 < upgrdman> ?
2016-01-06T04:12:40 < kakimir> proper calculator for windows
2016-01-06T04:12:43 < kakimir> recommends
2016-01-06T04:12:53 < dongs> calc.exe in win10 is fucking pro
2016-01-06T04:13:34 < kakimir> I hate that win10 doesn't give calc.exe by writing ca..l.c to start menu
2016-01-06T04:13:51 < dongs> kakimir: ... ?
2016-01-06T04:13:51 < kakimir> you have to write "laski..n"
2016-01-06T04:13:58 < dongs> kakimir: but it does?
2016-01-06T04:14:10 < kakimir> localisation shiet
2016-01-06T04:14:16 < dongs> win-r>calc
2016-01-06T04:14:19 < dongs> works
2016-01-06T04:14:53 < emeb> R2COM: http://www.windfreaktech.com/rf-mixer-downconverter-upconverter.html
2016-01-06T04:16:06 < ds2> *yawn*
2016-01-06T04:16:52 < upgrdman> ya win10 calc.exe is pretty sweet. almost as good at the gnome2 calc
2016-01-06T04:17:04 < upgrdman> what's a decent graphing calc for windows?
2016-01-06T04:17:07 < upgrdman> octave?
2016-01-06T04:17:14 < ds2> HP48 emulator
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2016-01-06T04:18:44 < emeb> R2COM: We bought a bunch of those for use in some "buy & tie" front ends we put together a few years ago.
2016-01-06T04:19:04 < emeb> They work fine and when someone else is footing the bill who cares about the price.
2016-01-06T04:19:46 < emeb> Talked to the guy who runs that outfit - he sells 'em like hotcakes & goes to trade shows all over.
2016-01-06T04:20:29 < emeb> R2COM: it's sold as test equipment - no certs required AFAIK
2016-01-06T04:21:09 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKcm5YV2ExUjdBU00/view?usp=sharing win10 traumas
2016-01-06T04:21:13 < emeb> or "component" for integration into larger system.
2016-01-06T04:21:27 < emeb> again, FCC doesn't regulate that sort of stuff.
2016-01-06T04:22:01 < emeb> R2COM: do you need to get FCC cert for a mini-circuits connectorized oscillator?
2016-01-06T04:22:18 < emeb> no - it's a component, not a final product.
2016-01-06T04:22:24 < emeb> same for this kind of thing.
2016-01-06T04:23:45 < emeb> same deal with one-off hobby stuff that amateur radio guys build. No certs required.
2016-01-06T04:23:57 < emeb> but if they interfere then they're responsible for fixing it.
2016-01-06T04:24:37 < emeb> FCC certs are intended to ensure that mass-market stuff being sold to dumb consumers who don't know better and can't fix it themselves won't be bad out-of-the-box.
2016-01-06T04:28:25 < fenugrec> and (e^pi) - pi == 20
2016-01-06T04:28:44 < fenugrec> only on really good calc's p-)
2016-01-06T04:34:40 < upgrdman> fenugrec, heh. i get 19.99909998. this shit ti calc doesn't even get 6 places correct
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2016-01-06T04:36:10 < upgrdman> how much is the casio
2016-01-06T04:37:27 < upgrdman> good.
2016-01-06T04:37:35 < upgrdman> even faglab fucked it? lol
2016-01-06T04:37:50 < emeb> that's what my HP-35s says
2016-01-06T04:37:53 < upgrdman> 20
2016-01-06T04:38:07 < emeb> same as matlab
2016-01-06T04:38:58 < upgrdman> fenugrec> and (e^pi) - pi == 20
2016-01-06T04:39:10 < upgrdman> fucker bailed on us
2016-01-06T04:39:10 < emeb> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=e%5E%28pi%29-pi
2016-01-06T04:39:14 < upgrdman> maybe he was trolling
2016-01-06T04:39:24 < emeb> same thing as HP and Matlab
2016-01-06T04:39:50 < PeterM> http://www.xkcd.com/217/
2016-01-06T04:40:17 < emeb> yeah - just spotted that too
2016-01-06T04:40:29 < aandrew> what's e^pi-pi?
2016-01-06T04:40:52 < aandrew> oh xkcd
2016-01-06T04:41:54 < upgrdman> lol. got trolled. damn. at least my calc aint totally ass
2016-01-06T04:42:11 < Laurenceb_> Kim Jung just nuked something
2016-01-06T04:42:27 < Laurenceb_> probably a cave full of rebel generals
2016-01-06T04:42:33 < upgrdman> srsly?
2016-01-06T04:42:56 < PeterM> what'd he nuke? the launch pad? it fall over and asplode?
2016-01-06T04:43:17 < Laurenceb_> R2COM butthurt
2016-01-06T04:43:31 < Laurenceb_> now we know how to troll R2COM
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2016-01-06T04:43:45 < upgrdman> what a good free alternative to matlab
2016-01-06T04:44:03 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: octave
2016-01-06T04:44:10 < Laurenceb_> lol my village
2016-01-06T04:47:00 < Laurenceb_> yeah it encourages bad practice
2016-01-06T04:47:11 < Laurenceb_> but useful for quick and dirty prototyping
2016-01-06T04:47:19 < Laurenceb_> not for huge server side applications
2016-01-06T04:47:25 < Laurenceb_> like we use it at work :S
2016-01-06T04:49:14 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
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2016-01-06T04:50:20 < PeterM> if it pays well, why not
2016-01-06T04:52:31 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, do people really use matlab for server side shit?
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2016-01-06T04:52:57 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: yes, a lot
2016-01-06T04:53:09 < Laurenceb_> we use it for _everything_
2016-01-06T04:53:14 < upgrdman> does it have an http server plugin or someshit?
2016-01-06T04:54:56 < kakimir> matlab for production server...
2016-01-06T04:55:00 < upgrdman> R2COM, u like octave?
2016-01-06T04:55:09 < kakimir> because you lack real programmers?
2016-01-06T05:00:04 < Laurenceb_> hahaha
2016-01-06T05:00:13 < Laurenceb_> we use matlab and labview
2016-01-06T05:00:26 < Laurenceb_> labview for stand alone stuff for customers
2016-01-06T05:00:40 < Laurenceb_> usually a python wrapper for the http
2016-01-06T05:02:15 < Laurenceb_> I manage to decline all offers to create labview GUIs for customers
2016-01-06T05:02:18 < Laurenceb_> luckily
2016-01-06T05:14:16 < upgrdman> lol  http://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2016/01/amazon-customer-complains-finds-spiteful-10-inch-dildo-in-his-shopping-basket/
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2016-01-06T06:53:30 < Rob235> \_(v)_/
2016-01-06T06:53:56 < Rob235> that's supposed to be a VAGINA
2016-01-06T07:09:42 < upgrdman> is there a nice graphing calc for windows?
2016-01-06T07:09:53 < upgrdman> not sure if i wanna go full retard with octave/faglab
2016-01-06T07:14:45 < dongs> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/devschool/archive/2011/08/12/free-graphing-calculator-from-microsoft-mathematics-calculator.aspx
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2016-01-06T07:18:24 < PeterM> that is bloody nice
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2016-01-06T07:31:19 < upgrdman> fuck. ms mathematics is broke as shit with display scaling
2016-01-06T07:32:33 < upgrdman> free
2016-01-06T07:32:36 < upgrdman> for everyone
2016-01-06T07:32:43 < upgrdman> dont know why that blog said edu
2016-01-06T07:33:02 < upgrdman> is totally gay
2016-01-06T07:33:10 < upgrdman> broke with display scaling
2016-01-06T07:33:12 < upgrdman> and
2016-01-06T07:33:22 < upgrdman> doesnt do high res scrolling
2016-01-06T07:33:32 < dongs> sounds like you need to go back to your macbook
2016-01-06T07:33:35 < dongs> you fucking faggot
2016-01-06T07:33:35 < upgrdman> its like windows 95 trash
2016-01-06T07:33:40 < upgrdman> lol
2016-01-06T07:33:50 < dongs> btw
2016-01-06T07:33:53 < dongs> i checked
2016-01-06T07:33:59 < dongs> altidong only does hidpi if your scaling is > 150%
2016-01-06T07:34:00 < dongs> lol
2016-01-06T07:34:03 < dongs> since i'm at 125
2016-01-06T07:34:08 < dongs> it doesnt do anything different
2016-01-06T07:34:09 < upgrdman> yay for me :)
2016-01-06T07:34:13 < dongs> i'm part of the cool club
2016-01-06T07:34:19 < dongs> who can actually see shit on screen
2016-01-06T07:34:29 < dongs> no, upgrdman is a blind fuck
2016-01-06T07:34:31 < dongs> who buys 4k
2016-01-06T07:34:35 < dongs> and then zooms everything200%
2016-01-06T07:34:42 < dongs> so its same as if he bought 1080piss
2016-01-06T07:34:44 < upgrdman> i like quality text
2016-01-06T07:34:55 < dongs> me2
2016-01-06T07:35:00 < dongs> best quality text = single pixel fonts
2016-01-06T07:35:09 < upgrdman> 100% is like going backed to aliased text.
2016-01-06T07:35:14 < PeterM> what? 6px isnt good enough for you  and your babby eyes
2016-01-06T07:37:12 < dongs> garbagetoo big
2016-01-06T07:37:17 < upgrdman> 5k = nice, price = gay
2016-01-06T07:37:53 < upgrdman> a 5k ifag is actually cheaper
2016-01-06T07:38:09 < upgrdman> dongs should make 5k ifag -> minidp board
2016-01-06T07:38:15 < dongs> heh no you need 2 dp
2016-01-06T07:38:22 < upgrdman> orly?
2016-01-06T07:38:23 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-06T07:38:27 < dongs> thats how dell 5K connects
2016-01-06T07:38:30 < dongs> you need 2 dp cables
2016-01-06T07:38:51 < dongs> 2560x2880 2 tiles
2016-01-06T07:39:12 < dongs> R2COM: no, 27" is too big
2016-01-06T07:39:13 < upgrdman> i thought dp was supposed to have more than enough bandwidth for 4k60? it can't do 5k60?
2016-01-06T07:39:22 < dongs> upgrdman: DP 1.3 does
2016-01-06T07:39:25 < dongs> nobody uses DP1.3 thjo
2016-01-06T07:39:52 < dongs> 27" is to obig
2016-01-06T07:40:44 < englishman> all the things you are known for
2016-01-06T07:40:57 < englishman> none of them: work, fpga, spacex
2016-01-06T07:40:57 < dongs> I like my 12.5" 4K
2016-01-06T07:41:18 < dongs> he's so pro, he doesn't NEED TO
2016-01-06T07:41:18 < englishman> certainly not at spacex
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2016-01-06T07:48:33 < upgrdman> spacex has offices in MA ?
2016-01-06T07:51:43 < upgrdman> typical jap  http://i.imgur.com/UghYn7D.jpg
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2016-01-06T07:56:34 < dongs> old as shit
2016-01-06T08:13:20 < upgrdman> r2com: that 5k is way overpriced on newegg
2016-01-06T08:13:21 < upgrdman> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1081827-REG/dell_up2715k_27_5k_5120x2880_computer_monitor.html
2016-01-06T08:13:26 < upgrdman> fuck, he's gone :/
2016-01-06T08:14:01 < dongs> is it 10bit
2016-01-06T08:14:13 < upgrdman> its UP
2016-01-06T08:14:18 < emeb_mac> so many colors
2016-01-06T08:14:23 < upgrdman> hmm
2016-01-06T08:14:33 < upgrdman> says 12bit LUT
2016-01-06T08:14:42 < upgrdman> and
2016-01-06T08:14:43 < upgrdman> This monitor is built with an IPS panel that offers better color reproduction of the 1.074 billion colors as well as wider viewing angles when compared to TN panels.
2016-01-06T08:15:15 < dongs> ur  wide viewing angle
2016-01-06T08:15:48 < upgrdman> still, $1620 for one monitor is fucked
2016-01-06T08:16:04 < upgrdman> they should just glue two 4K panel together
2016-01-06T08:16:15 < upgrdman> ultrawide style
2016-01-06T08:16:16 < dongs> do 4 and call it 8K
2016-01-06T08:16:22 < upgrdman> sure, why not!
2016-01-06T08:16:34 < ReadError> do the new dells do that retarded shit when you turn them off still?
2016-01-06T08:16:43 < dongs> they all do
2016-01-06T08:16:46 < dongs> thats a feature of displaydong
2016-01-06T08:16:58 < upgrdman> what ret shit?
2016-01-06T08:17:00 < dongs> really gotta find time to finish innovating my displayport OPTIMIZER(R)(TM)
2016-01-06T08:17:07 < ReadError> my asus doesnt
2016-01-06T08:17:07 < dongs> i could sell it to all dell owners
2016-01-06T08:17:14 < dongs> your assus is shitware
2016-01-06T08:17:59 < englishman> just like that hotthdcp
2016-01-06T08:18:03 < englishman> for 135gbp
2016-01-06T08:18:16 < dongs> the blocked one?
2016-01-06T08:18:23 < dongs> yeah that one i have evreyhting for making
2016-01-06T08:18:25 < dongs> just lazy
2016-01-06T08:18:30 < englishman> stop your desktop icons from rearranging themselves!!! for only 90000000jpy
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2016-01-06T08:18:39 < dongs> ya!
2016-01-06T08:21:38 < ReadError> I.Know.What.You.Weighed.Last.Summer.S01E01.720p.WEBRip.h264-spamTV
2016-01-06T08:21:47 < ReadError> i imagine this is some UK show
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2016-01-06T08:38:03 < dongs> has ST posted a fixed dfu file manager
2016-01-06T08:38:09 < dongs> that doesnt fuck up like all the time?
2016-01-06T08:38:20 < englishman> yes, the latest one
2016-01-06T08:38:23 < dongs> 3.0.5?
2016-01-06T08:38:27 < englishman> yes
2016-01-06T08:38:28 < dongs> finalyl fixed whatever was the problem?
2016-01-06T08:38:29 < dongs> kk
2016-01-06T08:38:36 < englishman> only took them a year to update
2016-01-06T08:38:38 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-06T08:38:40 < dongs> so pro
2016-01-06T08:39:43 < dongs> did they give up trying to ship 64bit versions
2016-01-06T08:39:56 < ReadError> yea new one works
2016-01-06T08:40:07 < ReadError> what was teh deal
2016-01-06T08:40:15 < ReadError> it worked, just didnt save where it should have?
2016-01-06T08:40:40 < dongs> no, it wouldnt gneerate .dfu
2016-01-06T08:40:45 < dongs> cuz of some fuckup in .hex parsing
2016-01-06T08:40:56 < ReadError> i thought someone posted it did, it was just some random place it saved
2016-01-06T08:41:07 < englishman> check the 3.0.5 changelog
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2016-01-06T08:44:23 < dongs>         + Fix of DFUFileMgr not generating files in right selected directory		
2016-01-06T08:44:24 < dongs> jmm
2016-01-06T08:44:25 < dongs> hmm
2016-01-06T08:44:31 < dongs> no, the last issue was it wouldnt generate them at all
2016-01-06T08:44:50 < englishman> or, did it
2016-01-06T08:44:56 < ReadError> I remember it saying 'oh hay, saved file' and it wasnt where I axed it to be
2016-01-06T08:44:59 < englishman> but it put them in /windev/null
2016-01-06T08:47:32 < dongs> hmm
2016-01-06T08:47:35 < dongs> ST drivers are double-signed
2016-01-06T08:47:38 < dongs> with sha256
2016-01-06T08:47:43 < dongs> i need to get my shit reissued
2016-01-06T08:48:04 < dongs> shitmantec sent me "you can haz free sha256 sig" but no instructions on how to actually get it
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2016-01-06T09:56:23 < dongs> lewl silabs.com email is STILL BROKEN
2016-01-06T09:56:30 < dongs> on the phone wiht some asshole from there
2016-01-06T09:56:33 < dongs> sent mail like 3 times
2016-01-06T09:56:35 < dongs> "we dont receive it"
2016-01-06T09:56:48 < dongs> also; tehy have a secret prefix to anyemail@silabs to bypass virus/spam check
2016-01-06T09:56:59 < dongs> bonus: it also didn't work
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2016-01-06T10:35:42 < dongs> RIP https://reprappro.com/
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2016-01-06T10:51:42 < Steffanx> Just setup: youremaildoestfuckingwork.com and publish your stuff for silabs there dongs
2016-01-06T10:51:53 < Steffanx> Doesnt*
2016-01-06T10:52:14 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-06T10:52:20 < dongs> i was thikning the other way
2016-01-06T10:52:25 < dongs> get all *silabs.com email addresses
2016-01-06T10:52:28 < dongs> add the secret prefix
2016-01-06T10:52:32 < dongs> and publish the list somewehre on www
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2016-01-06T11:25:58 < karlp> KreAture_Zzz: what makes you think libopencm3 doesn't work for cm0+? (other than the wildly inaccurate name?)
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2016-01-06T11:37:05 < dongs> errrrr
2016-01-06T11:37:08 < dongs> the fact that it doenst?
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2016-01-06T11:49:12 < dongs> what do all the pros use for javascript "development"
2016-01-06T11:49:42 < zyp> notepad
2016-01-06T11:51:33 < ReadError> sublime, atom
2016-01-06T11:51:42 < ReadError> idk
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2016-01-06T13:18:45 < ReadError> https://youtu.be/UoUEQYjYgf4?t=17
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2016-01-06T13:22:35 < dongs> nice
2016-01-06T13:22:41 < dongs> my dp redriver thing powers up and passes 4K
2016-01-06T13:23:15 < dongs> now to see if I can dick with the things that make icons reararnge
2016-01-06T13:25:16 < zyp> shame it's not over 9K
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2016-01-06T14:01:58 < dongs> err, shit
2016-01-06T14:02:00 < dongs> it doenst do HBR2
2016-01-06T14:02:01 < dongs> lol
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2016-01-06T14:02:54 < dongs> hm no it does
2016-01-06T14:03:01 < dongs> wtf, datasheet only shows 2.7GHz
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2016-01-06T14:04:16 < dongs> ok looks like i had old datasheet
2016-01-06T14:06:10 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/sn65dp141/description hm i shoulda used this instead, maybe after I get the other one working
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2016-01-06T14:10:29 < ReadError> doesnt seem to be out yet
2016-01-06T14:13:00 < dongs> wouldnt stop you from cloning my design even if it wasnt
2016-01-06T14:14:21 < ReadError> i dont have that problem
2016-01-06T14:14:25 < ReadError> use a real OS
2016-01-06T14:15:36 < BrainDamage> red star os
2016-01-06T14:16:24 < ReadError> apprently all this can be fixed at the OS/driver level tho
2016-01-06T14:19:21 < karlp> huh, nice, got proper load and restart debugging working in netbeans.  sweet
2016-01-06T14:19:26 < karlp> I really should have tried that out earlier.
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2016-01-06T14:36:47 < Steffann_> using openocd karlp ?
2016-01-06T14:36:50 < Steffann_> or bmp?
2016-01-06T14:39:27 < karlp> http://false.ekta.is/2016/01/using-netbeans-for-stm32-development-with-openocd/
2016-01-06T14:39:36 < karlp> had to update some docs for the new minion at work, went over it all again.
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2016-01-06T14:41:08 < dongs> yessssssssssssssss
2016-01-06T14:41:12 < dongs> got the shit working
2016-01-06T14:41:28 < dongs> i can power off 4K and desktop still sees it as connected
2016-01-06T14:42:17 < Steffann_> such feature.
2016-01-06T14:43:47 < dongs> the fucking thing also only supports 100kHz i2c
2016-01-06T14:43:48 < dongs> such fail
2016-01-06T14:43:58 < dongs> oh, and no subaddress on reads.
2016-01-06T14:44:10 < dongs> .. you can only read all ~40 registers at once
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2016-01-06T14:49:22 < dongs> now to think how im gonna monetize this
2016-01-06T14:50:15 < Steffann_> blog on HaD
2016-01-06T14:50:22 < dongs> haha
2016-01-06T14:50:39 < dongs> i am not using AVR
2016-01-06T14:50:48 < dongs> so its instantly disqualified from dick-a-day post
2016-01-06T14:51:04 < dongs> I'm using a $6 STM32 to set one I2C register
2016-01-06T14:51:18 < dongs> (could probly be done with attiny)
2016-01-06T14:52:53 < Steffann_> 6 pin attinyX in assembly.
2016-01-06T14:53:15 < dongs> it fucking sucks displayport standard only allows captive cables to have 3V power
2016-01-06T14:53:36 < dongs> so in order to get it self-powered i'd have to somewhere source dp or minidp pigtails and get them mounted on pcb
2016-01-06T14:54:00 < dongs> any off the shelf cable doesn't have the 3V power pins connected.
2016-01-06T14:59:11 < gordonjcp> seems like a weird restriction
2016-01-06T14:59:31 < dongs> https://www.facebook.com/GaijinPot/videos/10154547031294466/ found zyp
2016-01-06T14:59:52 < gordonjcp> dongs: why not use a DP cable and socket, mount the socket sufficiently inboard that you can plug the cable in and ziptie it to the board
2016-01-06T15:00:04 < gordonjcp> there, it's fucking captive
2016-01-06T15:00:24 < gordonjcp> there you go, standards body, make something of it, I dare you
2016-01-06T15:00:49 < dongs> gordonjcp: er,, yes, and the cable doesn't have the 3V line
2016-01-06T15:01:00 < dongs> i mean unless I pay some chinks to make non-compliant cable
2016-01-06T15:01:05 < dongs> with all wires connected
2016-01-06T15:01:22 < dongs> i did that but they didn't understand "I want the cable to be max 3mm thick"
2016-01-06T15:01:28 < dongs> so I ended up wiht some 12mm -thick cables
2016-01-06T15:02:59 < ReadError> haha
2016-01-06T15:03:05 < ReadError> that girl running away
2016-01-06T15:03:49 < ReadError> do japs really understand that little english??
2016-01-06T15:04:03 < dongs> yes
2016-01-06T15:05:02 < zyp> not watching vids at work, what am I missing?
2016-01-06T15:05:15 < dongs> a *lot*
2016-01-06T15:05:19 < zyp> :(
2016-01-06T15:05:42 < dongs> is that apersonal decision
2016-01-06T15:05:44 < dongs> or work policy
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2016-01-06T15:06:17 < gordonjcp> dongs: oh, hells, yes, right
2016-01-06T15:06:30 < gordonjcp> dongs: ignore, insufficient coffee
2016-01-06T15:06:47 < zyp> idk about policy, but I don't have a headset so I'd miss out on the sound
2016-01-06T15:07:00 < zyp> which makes most vids mostly pointless
2016-01-06T15:07:01 < dongs> lolya thays the bewst part
2016-01-06T15:07:04 < gordonjcp> dongs: so you can't get a mini-DP extension with 3v3 connected?
2016-01-06T15:07:21 < dongs> well, i can if I special order it sure
2016-01-06T15:07:25 < dongs> i might just do that i dunno
2016-01-06T15:08:04 < gordonjcp> a couple of my desktops have DP connectors, wish they'd just gone with normal bloody HDMI or DVI
2016-01-06T15:08:04 < zyp> isn't DP power only meant to power active repeaters/converters in the plug anyway?
2016-01-06T15:08:11 < dongs> yes
2016-01-06T15:08:15 < dongs> thats what im doing tho
2016-01-06T15:08:19 < dongs> zyp, did you see my blog
2016-01-06T15:08:20 < zyp> gordonjcp, fuck DVI
2016-01-06T15:08:32 < dongs> i got the dp redriver thing working, and I can power off 4K without losing main link
2016-01-06T15:08:39 < zyp> nice
2016-01-06T15:08:41 < dongs> so computer doesn't get 'link disconnect' shit and rearrange icons etc
2016-01-06T15:08:53 < dongs> gonna do 2channel version and monetize that shit
2016-01-06T15:10:53 < gordonjcp> nice
2016-01-06T15:11:17 < dongs> and yeah uh gordonjcp displayport is the awesome, fuck dvi/hdmi
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2016-01-06T15:44:10 < celeron55> 8D
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2016-01-06T15:49:32 < dongs> more like 8====D
2016-01-06T15:50:36 < zyp> the fuck
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2016-01-06T15:50:41 < dongs> its his away script
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2016-01-06T15:51:10 < zyp> yeah, I assumed as much
2016-01-06T15:51:45 < dongs> hmmm another way would be to make all this shit inside a dP plug
2016-01-06T15:51:52 < dongs> but then i dont haev a lot of space to work wiht
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2016-01-06T15:54:21 < Steffann_> so you do need this attiny
2016-01-06T15:54:27 < dongs> no, its not that
2016-01-06T15:54:35 < dongs> if I make it into plug people would wanna use liek 4 of them at once
2016-01-06T15:54:39 < dongs> so it would have teo be really slim
2016-01-06T15:54:45 < dongs> and easy to break off
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2016-01-06T16:05:01 < ReadError> do it on a dongle?
2016-01-06T16:05:09 < ReadError> get some 10cm cables made in china
2016-01-06T16:05:52 < dongs> yes, just annoying
2016-01-06T16:06:53 < ReadError> if its close to gfx card then stealing usb power should be easy
2016-01-06T16:07:10 < dongs> ywea but not if there's 4 of them
2016-01-06T16:08:16 < ReadError> put a USB A Female on 1 side and a micro on the other
2016-01-06T16:08:28 < ReadError> then daisychain with 10cm usb cables
2016-01-06T16:08:34 < dongs> lol
2016-01-06T16:09:00 < zyp> haha
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2016-01-06T16:13:06 < ReadError> call it "ChainGang(TM)" technology
2016-01-06T16:15:16 < englishman> cool dongs, but shouldnt you be selling this amazing tech to DELL
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2016-01-06T16:16:43 < dongs> englishman: lol
2016-01-06T16:17:05 < dongs> its not just dell thing, more ilke any displayport monitor?? (maybe except readerror's ANUS)
2016-01-06T16:17:47 < zyp> is it that huge that you'd have a problem fitting it into a plug?
2016-01-06T16:18:03 < zyp> four lanes in and four lanes out plus power shouldn't require a huge package
2016-01-06T16:18:36 < zyp> or are you using chips intended for other shit?
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2016-01-06T16:24:38 < dongs> its 7x7 qfn i think
2016-01-06T16:25:06 < dongs> ya
2016-01-06T16:25:08 < dongs> and yes, lanes fit
2016-01-06T16:25:27 < dongs> but i'd need to get some kinda custom narrow mold for minidp connector
2016-01-06T16:25:45 < dongs> the problme is again teh fucking captive cable requirement
2016-01-06T16:25:54 < dongs> if I make it minidp, and dicks wanna plug it into DP port
2016-01-06T16:26:00 < dongs> its not gonna power up wiht an adapter
2016-01-06T16:26:10 < dongs> because dp>minidp adapter wont carry power over.
2016-01-06T16:27:17 < englishman> so put both connectors, use accelerometer to detect which is plugged
2016-01-06T16:27:25 < zyp> does that even hold for male-female adapters?
2016-01-06T16:27:52 < zyp> I mean, I can see the argument for a male-male cable, but male-female adapters should allow power through
2016-01-06T16:28:06 < zyp> since any active shit can be plugged into such an adapter
2016-01-06T16:28:26 < dongs> Only captive cables supplied with cable powered Branch devices or cables permanently attached to
2016-01-06T16:28:29 < dongs> Downstream devices or resizing adaptors or extension cables are permitted to have the wire for DP_PWR.
2016-01-06T16:28:32 < dongs> These captive/attached/resizing/extension cables must have a full-size or mini DisplayPort plug connector (as
2016-01-06T16:28:36 < dongs> specified in Section 4.2.1) on one end only. The other end must either be permanently attached or have a
2016-01-06T16:28:39 < dongs> DisplayPort receptacle connector or have a custom connector
2016-01-06T16:28:50 < dongs> so resize has it?
2016-01-06T16:29:02 < englishman> is permitted
2016-01-06T16:29:07 < englishman> so get a few cheap china ones and check
2016-01-06T16:29:10 < zyp> see, resizing adaptors and extension cables are permitted
2016-01-06T16:29:18 < zyp> which is what I'm arguing makes sense
2016-01-06T16:29:19 < dongs> extension cables do NOT have power
2016-01-06T16:29:29 < dongs> i ahve cheap ones, legit ones from startech, etc
2016-01-06T16:29:32 < dongs> none of htem carry power.
2016-01-06T16:29:42 < englishman> on resizing cables
2016-01-06T16:29:47 < dongs> A standard DisplayPort cable must have no wire for the DP_PWR pin.
2016-01-06T16:30:05 < zyp> extension cables aren't standard cables
2016-01-06T16:30:25 < dongs> resizing cable is wat? minidp on one end, dp female o n another end?
2016-01-06T16:30:27 < englishman> then its chinese being cheap and saving 1 strand of copper
2016-01-06T16:30:34 < englishman> so you cant count on it.
2016-01-06T16:30:44 < zyp> dongs, yeah, or opposite
2016-01-06T16:30:54 < dongs> oh
2016-01-06T16:31:18 < dongs> mm
2016-01-06T16:31:31 < zyp> dongs, I guess the argument is that DP_PWR should never come out of a male plug, so male-male cables aren't allowed to pass it through
2016-01-06T16:31:41 < dongs> right, thats what it seems like
2016-01-06T16:31:47 < zyp> but for female cable ends, it should be fine
2016-01-06T16:31:58 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-105502-6-Feet-DisplayPort-Extension/dp/B002HQVDJ2
2016-01-06T16:32:01 < dongs> hmm okay
2016-01-06T16:32:02 < dongs> so that shit will have power.
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2016-01-06T16:32:44 < englishman> it is permitted
2016-01-06T16:33:33 < dongs> Newer Macintosh computers and LED Cinema Displays use a new type of video connector called Mini DisplayPort. Unfortunately, the cable built-in to the Apple display is only about 3 feet long, which is too short for many applications.
2016-01-06T16:33:37 < dongs> lol
2016-01-06T16:33:39 < dongs> wut
2016-01-06T16:33:43 < dongs> crapple display comes with a permanently attached minidp cable?
2016-01-06T16:33:47 < dongs> fucking lol.
2016-01-06T16:34:39 < zyp> haha
2016-01-06T16:35:08 < zyp> I think I lost a DP cable when I moved
2016-01-06T16:35:23 < zyp> the one I were using
2016-01-06T16:35:28 < englishman> hence the surfeit of white minidp extension cables
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2016-01-06T16:44:14 < englishman> check out my new desktop pc http://i.imgur.com/A6cyoTw.jpg
2016-01-06T16:45:25 < englishman> and media center http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/t1/
2016-01-06T16:48:18 < dongs> that's for dickstarter succeeders
2016-01-06T16:48:27 < dongs> so you can say you  bought a yacht
2016-01-06T16:48:31 < dongs> with the profits
2016-01-06T16:50:21 < Laurenceb_> wtf
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2016-01-06T18:00:59 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQnnw8ZV4vY
2016-01-06T18:10:11 < emeb> Amusements for the crimson-naped!
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2016-01-06T18:16:44 < englishman> dongulus rift preorder, only $600 for 1080p
2016-01-06T18:16:52 < englishman> possible stm32 content
2016-01-06T18:17:20 < GargantuaSauce_> it's not just possible it's extremely likely
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2016-01-06T18:54:05 < ReadError> Dear STM32 friend,
2016-01-06T18:54:05 < ReadError> Thanks for your feedback to our campaign, unfortunately we cannot ship to off-shore locations, our offer being restricted to EMEA countries.
2016-01-06T18:54:09 < ReadError> fucking ST spammers
2016-01-06T18:54:16 < ReadError> resending me this rejection letter
2016-01-06T18:54:24 < upgrdman_> wtf are ENEMA countries
2016-01-06T18:55:37 < karlp> euro middle east and asia
2016-01-06T18:55:43 < karlp> is that for the F7 board ReadError?
2016-01-06T18:55:50 < karlp> did you get an accepted email earlier?
2016-01-06T18:56:45 < ReadError> i got 2 rejections
2016-01-06T18:56:54 < ReadError> they just randomly resent this one again
2016-01-06T18:57:14 < upgrdman_> "you suck, and this is your second reminder of that fact"
2016-01-06T18:57:34 < Laurenceb_> lol enema
2016-01-06T18:57:44 < Laurenceb_> I would say japan...
2016-01-06T19:22:15 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/thumb/1452063645811.jpg
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2016-01-06T19:38:17 < Laurenceb_> 666 + 666 + 666 + 6 + 6 + 6 = 2016
2016-01-06T19:39:41 < Laurenceb_> COINCIDENCE???
2016-01-06T19:40:37 < artag> ARITHMETIC I think
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2016-01-06T20:09:57 < andrzej_duda> illuminati confirmed
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2016-01-06T20:16:22 < upgrdman_> why's it so fucking quiet in here
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2016-01-06T20:17:19 < upgrdman_> beakimir: start talking about stupid shit
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2016-01-06T20:24:44 < jpa-> upgrdman_: i heard kakimir is designing a SMA breakout; it will bring all the SMA pins out into nice SMA connectors
2016-01-06T20:24:59 < upgrdman_> sweet
2016-01-06T20:25:33 < zyp> nice
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2016-01-06T20:38:46 < Steffanx> upgrdman_: *shiet
2016-01-06T20:38:56 < upgrdman_> indeed
2016-01-06T20:39:27 < englishman> im waiting for the next amazing reddit repost from upgrdman_
2016-01-06T20:39:37 < upgrdman_> it'll be a while
2016-01-06T20:39:45 < upgrdman_> i dont usually reddit while at work
2016-01-06T20:39:53 < upgrdman_> too much distrastion
2016-01-06T20:40:01 < Steffanx> make an exception for the non-workers
2016-01-06T20:40:15 < Steffanx> and the EU guys
2016-01-06T20:40:40 < upgrdman_> ya. yet another reason why it sucks to be in the eu ;)
2016-01-06T20:41:03 < Steffanx> what reason?
2016-01-06T20:41:39 < upgrdman_> time difference between my reddit retweeting and their recreational time
2016-01-06T20:42:13 < Steffanx> Do you work cube-style?
2016-01-06T20:42:18 < upgrdman_> no
2016-01-06T20:42:26 < ReadError> its cool guize, Laurenceb_ will drop some sweet 8chan/wizardchan shit on us any minute
2016-01-06T20:42:44 < upgrdman_> i share an office with one other person, but he's usually in other part of the facility, so like 80% of the day i have my own office
2016-01-06T20:45:37 < Laurenceb_> fapfapfap
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2016-01-06T21:00:54 < Rob235_> I need a tv show or movie to watch
2016-01-06T21:01:04 < ReadError> The Knick is cool
2016-01-06T21:01:10 < ReadError> if you havent peeped game
2016-01-06T21:01:10 < upgrdman_> Brokeback Mountain
2016-01-06T21:02:04 < Steffanx> Bold and the beautiful.
2016-01-06T21:02:09 < englishman> teh wire
2016-01-06T21:02:10 < Rob235_> I'll check it out.  finishing up mad men now.  not a great show but well done I guess, a little boring
2016-01-06T21:02:19 < Rob235_> already watched the wire
2016-01-06T21:02:24 < englishman> the wire HD
2016-01-06T21:04:05 < qyx> mhm, what's the proper way to control the speed of a dc brushless fan?
2016-01-06T21:04:15 < ReadError> you know what they say
2016-01-06T21:04:23 < ReadError> you cant trust a man thats never seen The Wire
2016-01-06T21:04:48 < englishman> qyx: pwm
2016-01-06T21:04:52 < Steffanx> its no scifi, so.. meh ReadError
2016-01-06T21:05:08 < ReadError> pfffft
2016-01-06T21:05:18 < englishman> sheeeit
2016-01-06T21:05:24 < ReadError> sheeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
2016-01-06T21:05:29 < ReadError> shitbird
2016-01-06T21:05:53 < Rob235_> ive never even seen an episode of star trek, I like some sci fi but its pretty hit or miss with me
2016-01-06T21:06:04 < Steffanx> its: shiiiiieeettt, not sheeeiiittt
2016-01-06T21:06:28 < Rob235_> fringe was a cool show
2016-01-06T21:06:30 < ReadError> meh fuck startrek
2016-01-06T21:06:36 < ReadError> check out The Knick
2016-01-06T21:06:38 < ReadError> cool series
2016-01-06T21:06:42 < Steffanx> yeah, star trek is also not my kind of scifi
2016-01-06T21:06:43 < qyx> englishman: i know, but anything special? inductor in series (like in a buck converter), parallel capacitor, diode across the fan, etc.
2016-01-06T21:06:43 < ReadError> with crazy music
2016-01-06T21:06:44 < englishman> it has hookers, and cocaine
2016-01-06T21:06:54 < Rob235_> I'm in
2016-01-06T21:06:55 < ReadError> ya its basically just like the wire
2016-01-06T21:06:56 < englishman> yeah qyx most of the issues are controlling noise
2016-01-06T21:07:01 < ReadError> but with coke instead of heroin
2016-01-06T21:07:02 < englishman> so, all of the above
2016-01-06T21:07:27 < qyx> meh, ok, I'll include all of them
2016-01-06T21:07:58 < englishman> and if you start em too low they may need a little kick to get them turning, then you can dial back the power
2016-01-06T21:08:02 < englishman> but thats pretty motor dependent
2016-01-06T21:08:21 < englishman> youll notice it in commercial stuff, it goes to >50% on startup then goes down
2016-01-06T21:09:17 < qyx> yeah, I am going to PID-control them, that should work
2016-01-06T21:09:21 < qyx> hopefully
2016-01-06T21:09:43 < englishman> watchu doin
2016-01-06T21:09:45 < englishman> more bread??
2016-01-06T21:09:52 < Rob235_> shit my water cooled htpc's liquid level is dropping but I don't see any leaks
2016-01-06T21:10:41 < qyx> no bread this time
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2016-01-06T21:12:08 < englishman> check out this pid-controlled goodness https://www.dropbox.com/s/9oyf8w15i7143co/2015-11-07%2018.22.16.jpg?dl=0
2016-01-06T21:12:21 < englishman> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5b05paxs8h2ghd9/2015-11-07%2019.59.36.jpg?dl=0
2016-01-06T21:12:25 < englishman> https://www.dropbox.com/s/jhqlfrsdz065vzk/2015-11-07%2021.13.29.jpg?dl=0
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2016-01-06T21:13:26 < qyx> looks good
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2016-01-06T21:14:37 < XTL> Not what I was expecting considering the channel and PID :)
2016-01-06T21:15:15 < XTL> But I guess it's not just for motor control
2016-01-06T21:17:37 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26fLK9m4eNE .. in some way this is scary.
2016-01-06T21:18:39 < XTL> That's pretty deep
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2016-01-06T21:36:39 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKQklMd18xRzBYbG8/view?usp=sharing to220 granpa?
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2016-01-06T22:18:40 < upgrdman_> wtf kinda package is that
2016-01-06T22:18:45 < upgrdman_> like half-height to220 or someshit
2016-01-06T22:19:20 < Steffanx> 202
2016-01-06T22:30:29 < upgrdman_> anyone here use sveditor?
2016-01-06T22:31:14 < upgrdman_> im reading the sveditor tutorial, and they mention a .f file. Where the fuck does that file come from? (other than the zip demo they provide.)
2016-01-06T22:35:35 < XTL> There used to be plenty of packages like that with thin tabs
2016-01-06T22:36:08 < XTL> I don't know if there was a designator. Maybe a datasheet for some part like that would have a code
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2016-01-06T23:36:46 < Laurenceb_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1242138957/nsf-1701-emdrive-space-propulsion-project-phase-ii
2016-01-06T23:36:51 < Laurenceb_> donate donate
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2016-01-06T23:40:08 < englishman> $1500 wat
2016-01-06T23:40:28 < englishman> High accuracy standalone EMF Meter. Estimated cost $75 - $150
2016-01-06T23:41:05 < Laurenceb_> yeah is that much ca$h even worth setting up a kickstarter for
2016-01-06T23:41:56 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39004.msg1470382#msg1470382
2016-01-06T23:41:59 < Laurenceb_> ^this
2016-01-06T23:42:29 < Laurenceb_> lol next comment
2016-01-06T23:42:37 < Laurenceb_> thats not what he meant by Gibberish
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2016-01-06T23:48:36 < Laurenceb_> (Mod removed post)
2016-01-06T23:48:40 < Laurenceb_> lolling hard
2016-01-06T23:50:42 < Amperture> Oh man, MSP432 dev board for less than $5
2016-01-06T23:51:09 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: you try to get you money out of scamdrive?
2016-01-06T23:51:27 < Laurenceb_> I never put any is
2016-01-06T23:51:29 < Laurenceb_> *in
2016-01-06T23:51:43 < Laurenceb_> oh wait yes I did
2016-01-06T23:51:53 < Laurenceb_> UK government invested in it
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2016-01-07T00:02:23 < kakimir> how much?
2016-01-07T00:04:04 < upgrdman_> anyone know if packed structs are recursive? like if a struct contains other structs, will it know to make those inner structs packed as well?
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2016-01-07T00:27:13 < gxti> the inner struct will use whatever alignment it was declared with
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2016-01-07T00:27:27 < gxti> if you want it to be packed it must also be within that scope
2016-01-07T00:32:02 < upgrdman_> but if those inner structs are defined in that packed struct, they will also be packed?
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2016-01-07T00:33:19 < GargantuaSauce_> make it explicit just to be sure
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2016-01-07T01:42:37 < kakimir> after.. 6months or so of total neglection
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2016-01-07T03:00:53 < Laurenceb_> ping dongs
2016-01-07T03:01:26 < Laurenceb_>   ^ did you work with someone on a flight controller involving unscented kalman filtering ?
2016-01-07T03:02:02 < dongs> you mean bill?
2016-01-07T03:04:04 < dongs> zyp, uh lol
2016-01-07T03:04:08 < dongs> did you scroll down the page of CRS210
2016-01-07T03:04:11 < dongs> to the very bottom
2016-01-07T03:08:21 < Laurenceb_> ah yeah bill
2016-01-07T03:08:25 < Laurenceb_> is he ever on irc?
2016-01-07T03:08:36 < Laurenceb_> I need some help with unscented kalman filtering
2016-01-07T03:09:43 < kakimir> can I measure.. current in electrolytic capacitor.. with voltage measurement from it's terminals and then putting it thru some maths?
2016-01-07T03:10:26 < artag> you need to know rate of change of voltage
2016-01-07T03:11:12 < kakimir> isn't it known when measurement is running
2016-01-07T03:11:16 < kakimir> measurement - scope
2016-01-07T03:11:31 < kakimir> or computer capture plot shiet
2016-01-07T03:11:39 < artag> depends how you measure it, but yes, maybe
2016-01-07T03:12:03 < kakimir> do you mean kind of.. can.. maybe?
2016-01-07T03:12:42 < artag> if your measurement is multiple voltage points with times, as in a scope, yes, you can get dv/dt from that
2016-01-07T03:12:55 < artag> if it's a single voltage with no timing you can't
2016-01-07T03:14:06 < artag> though actually I'm wondering if i'm correct .. a fixed voltage will give you a varying current
2016-01-07T03:14:41 < artag> obv. a varying voltage will vary the current even more but you could predict the current change resulting from a single voltage
2016-01-07T03:14:44 < artag> or a step
2016-01-07T03:16:16 < kakimir> it has some difficulties to it
2016-01-07T03:17:08 < gordonjcp> kakimir: what are you trying to do?
2016-01-07T03:19:19 < kakimir> just thought practice
2016-01-07T03:19:33 < kakimir> nothing practical going down
2016-01-07T03:19:58 < gordonjcp> well an interesting property is that if you charge it up from a current source, the voltage rises linearly
2016-01-07T03:23:31 < kakimir> I'm thinking of like.. bypass cap current stuff
2016-01-07T03:23:45 < kakimir> because without change of voltage
2016-01-07T03:24:25 < gordonjcp> good point, wonder how much the inrush current of a device is all the bypass caps charging up
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2016-01-07T03:24:56 < kakimir> there is no current in cap when voltage is contant
2016-01-07T03:24:58 < kakimir> constant
2016-01-07T03:25:06 < gordonjcp> and if a capacitor is going to fail in a piece of equipment, it's going to be a tantalum bead bypass capacitor, about ten seconds after power-on
2016-01-07T03:25:26 < gordonjcp> (neglecting cheap shitty electrolytics in cheap shitty switched-mode power supplies)
2016-01-07T03:25:55 < gordonjcp> well, "fail" in the smoke and flames sense
2016-01-07T03:26:09 < kakimir> but I think if you have solid bypassing you have difficulties to measure voltage variations with good enought accuracy
2016-01-07T03:26:11 < gordonjcp> ceramic capacitors go leaky as soon as you look at them
2016-01-07T03:26:40 < kakimir> without having amplifier right into those capacitor terminals
2016-01-07T03:29:39 < kakimir> some fast transient of lets say 0.1volts may cause who knows how huge current
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2016-01-07T03:32:02 < kakimir> hmm
2016-01-07T03:34:44 < artag> it doesn't really work that way, though. Although you might calculate the current flowing out of the cap when that voltage drop occurs, the main limit will be on the resistance in the circuit. But the usual thing is to consider a spike in current consumption and calculate the resulting voltage drop
2016-01-07T03:34:54 < upgrdman> :)  http://i.imgur.com/tuhb8tX.gifv
2016-01-07T03:36:32 < kakimir> there should be some state for charge in cap for this calculation
2016-01-07T03:36:58 < kakimir> and esr and capacitance would be this.. input parameters
2016-01-07T03:39:25 < kakimir> and it would based on derivate of voltage constantly count this charge state
2016-01-07T03:39:54 < kakimir> hmm
2016-01-07T03:41:23 < kakimir> no
2016-01-07T03:41:44 < kakimir> it needs actual voltage too
2016-01-07T03:42:10 < upgrdman> how to use a soldering iron:  https://youtu.be/PjnQt4l49ro?t=102
2016-01-07T03:42:11 < kakimir> too hard physics
2016-01-07T03:59:54 < kakimir> wait
2016-01-07T04:00:09 < kakimir> u just model it with ideal capacitor and resistor
2016-01-07T04:01:37 < kakimir> and you need 2 states
2016-01-07T04:02:06 < kakimir> voltage of ideal capacitor... you need one state
2016-01-07T04:02:36 < kakimir> because amount of charge per volt is fixed
2016-01-07T04:03:36 < kakimir> you integrate current in esr imaginary resistor and apply it to ideal capacitor voltage with ratio given by capacitance
2016-01-07T04:03:46 < kakimir> there it is
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2016-01-07T04:03:59 < kakimir> now I can think other things
2016-01-07T04:06:33 < kakimir> if you want to state be charge instead of voltage it's all the same anyway
2016-01-07T04:09:09 < kakimir> okay if I want to do this
2016-01-07T04:09:24 < kakimir> what are my practical options?
2016-01-07T04:11:54 < dongs> chinaproscale arrived
2016-01-07T04:11:59 < dongs> its just as amazing as i thought
2016-01-07T04:12:15 < kakimir> scale?
2016-01-07T04:12:55 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/311375897638
2016-01-07T04:15:23 < kakimir> looks very pro
2016-01-07T04:18:48 < kakimir> what you do with it?
2016-01-07T04:19:38 < dongs> count drugs
2016-01-07T04:20:17 < kakimir> you need to measure 2kg with 2decimal accuracy.. it's drugs
2016-01-07T04:47:42 < Sync> I got a real lab scale for that
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2016-01-07T05:05:45 < dongs> im not as pro as sync
2016-01-07T05:05:50 < dongs> i'll have to do with chinashit
2016-01-07T05:07:40 < upgrdman> any dsp pros awake? so comb filters. you multiple the current and an earlier sample together. but to work right, those samples need to be scaled to +/- 1.0 correct? how would you efficiently do that without floating point? (e.g. on an fpga or simple mcu)
2016-01-07T05:19:13 < Sync> well, when mixing epoxies I don't trust the china scales
2016-01-07T05:19:20 < Sync> in reality, they'd do fine
2016-01-07T05:20:10 < upgrdman> when i was big into RC i used epoxy resin with special meters pumps. so nice. one squirt resin, one squirt hardener, and it was accurate.
2016-01-07T05:20:37 < Sync> well, for volumes I use syringes
2016-01-07T05:20:38 < upgrdman> might not work so well for epoxy "glue" (more viscous)
2016-01-07T05:21:07 < Sync> but I have a few resins that want to be mixed by weight and a few by volume
2016-01-07T05:21:37 < upgrdman> really? the resin i used has the same density for both resin and hardener. you could mix by volume or weight.
2016-01-07T05:21:43 < Sync> especially if you mix small batches
2016-01-07T05:21:49 < Sync> yeah most systems do now
2016-01-07T05:22:00 < Sync> but I have some PU stuff that has super weird ratios
2016-01-07T05:22:07 < upgrdman> pu?
2016-01-07T05:22:45 < Sync> poly urethane
2016-01-07T05:22:56 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-07T05:23:35 < Sync> some of the stuff is also insanely reactive with water
2016-01-07T05:23:45 < Sync> so you have to store it under nitrogen
2016-01-07T05:23:53 < upgrdman> wow
2016-01-07T05:24:07 < Sync> usually it ships under nitrogen to get better shelf life
2016-01-07T05:24:22 < Sync> but with that stuff you gotta blast some in there otherwise it will go bad
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2016-01-07T06:01:47 < emeb_mac> meh - F476 only has fucking HAL libraries. No StdPeriph
2016-01-07T06:13:39 < upgrdman> comes with free herpies too?
2016-01-07T06:23:03 < emeb_mac> herpes are never free
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2016-01-07T06:27:53 < ReadError> the Free Herpes Foundation says: "Free herpes is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of 'free' as in 'free herpes', not as in 'free beer'"
2016-01-07T06:29:13 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/jGTbMI6.gifv
2016-01-07T06:30:29 < ReadError> lol why is like 1/3rd that class guys
2016-01-07T06:30:34 < ReadError> figured they would be b&
2016-01-07T06:30:54 < englishman> dont like youve taken twerking classes before
2016-01-07T06:30:59 < englishman> *lie
2016-01-07T06:34:05 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/Z85i3kz
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2016-01-07T06:36:46 < englishman> ancient
2016-01-07T06:36:54 < englishman> poor quality reddit reposting tonight
2016-01-07T06:37:39 < upgrdman> englishman, https://gfycat.com/GrizzledHopefulArrowcrab
2016-01-07T06:37:56 < englishman> better
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2016-01-07T06:49:00 < upgrdman> https://streamable.com/qhjo
2016-01-07T06:52:24 < upgrdman> so true  https://i.imgur.com/gyU0me4.png
2016-01-07T06:53:31 < upgrdman> srsly
2016-01-07T06:53:59 < upgrdman> like a web site or app developer
2016-01-07T06:54:14 < upgrdman> new company
2016-01-07T06:54:16 < upgrdman> yes
2016-01-07T06:54:25 < upgrdman> but joke is about ruby on fails
2016-01-07T06:54:34 < upgrdman> and mongodb and node.jizz etc
2016-01-07T06:54:42 < upgrdman> sure
2016-01-07T06:55:07 < upgrdman> wtf. are you R2BEAKY
2016-01-07T06:56:38 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/blDTNBH
2016-01-07T06:58:31 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://twitter.com/minimaxir/status/682261750222209024
2016-01-07T07:00:08 < upgrdman> this is tech savvy   http://i.imgur.com/kjkHHcO.jpg
2016-01-07T07:01:24 < upgrdman> oh, seriously now, R2COM, you know some dsp shit right?
2016-01-07T07:01:50 < upgrdman> any dsp pros awake? so comb filters. you multiple the current and an earlier sample together. but to work right, those samples need to be scaled to +/- 1.0 correct? how would you efficiently do that without floating point? (e.g. on an fpga or simple mcu)
2016-01-07T07:02:57 < upgrdman> yes
2016-01-07T07:03:10 < upgrdman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comb_filter
2016-01-07T07:03:32 < upgrdman> oh wait im an idiot. add
2016-01-07T07:03:43 < upgrdman> son of a bitch
2016-01-07T07:04:21 < upgrdman> no multiply
2016-01-07T07:04:33 < upgrdman> just now + previous = new now
2016-01-07T07:05:06 < upgrdman> how the fuck did i confuse myself so much over that. how the FUCK did multiplication pop into my head
2016-01-07T07:05:36 < upgrdman> i think i was thinking of mixers or some shit. which look like X instead of +
2016-01-07T07:05:47 < upgrdman> well mult if factor != 1
2016-01-07T07:11:04 < ds2> or muck around so you get powers of 2
2016-01-07T07:11:06 < ds2> then just shift
2016-01-07T07:11:55 < upgrdman> ya
2016-01-07T07:12:53 < ReadError> fun fact: polar bears have dick bones
2016-01-07T07:13:42 < upgrdman> AHAHAHAH ... reading a report from some of my coworkers in shanghai. one of the xray genator / controller combos they are testing has horrible EMI when the xray tube arcs. with an oscope probe that has it's ground wire cliped to the tip, they measure 70Vrms with the probe like 300mm away from control board.
2016-01-07T07:14:24 < upgrdman> no shielding on the high power wires. lol.
2016-01-07T07:15:07 < upgrdman> no of course not
2016-01-07T07:15:11 < upgrdman> this is r&d shit
2016-01-07T07:15:19 < upgrdman> specifically to find this shit
2016-01-07T07:28:26 < dongs> test on patients
2016-01-07T07:28:29 < dongs> the pro way
2016-01-07T07:28:44 < upgrdman> this shits actually for baggage scanning iirc
2016-01-07T07:29:55 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/mkl4Bbbl.jpg
2016-01-07T07:33:59 < dongs> easier tyo read than python, if you ask me
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2016-01-07T07:38:57 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/iJQLF54
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2016-01-07T07:40:19 < dongs> gay
2016-01-07T07:41:58 < dongs> im dicknplacing
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2016-01-07T07:46:14 < Rob235_> yea a friend of a friend does that and makes a lot
2016-01-07T07:46:39 < Rob235_> and I don't know why
2016-01-07T07:46:40 < upgrdman> gabe could probably employ all of value just from ad revenue if he posted a youtube video of half-life 3
2016-01-07T07:47:01 < upgrdman> s/value/valve
2016-01-07T07:47:03 < upgrdman> ya
2016-01-07T07:47:31 < Rob235_> i saw tomb raider got a release date for pc, 3 weeks, cant wait, the last one was great
2016-01-07T07:47:41 < upgrdman> anyone want some RSA private keys?
2016-01-07T07:47:42 < upgrdman> https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=filename%3Aid_rsa&type=Code&ref=searchresults
2016-01-07T07:47:58 < Rob235_> i never was either until the 2013 one
2016-01-07T07:48:16 < Rob235_> and the multiplayer puzzle ones were pretty good too that came out recently
2016-01-07T07:49:09 < Rob235_> square enix did a good job
2016-01-07T07:50:56 < Rob235_> ahh yea I like puzzles
2016-01-07T07:51:01 < Rob235_> portal 2 was fun
2016-01-07T07:51:22 < Rob235_> what are you playing now? I don't play games much but get addicted to one every now and then
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2016-01-07T08:15:50 < ReadError> https://www.facebook.com/shawn.darling.50/videos/1712963568936271/
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2016-01-07T08:52:25 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/1UQxgh0.png
2016-01-07T08:52:29 < ReadError> why the actual fuck
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2016-01-07T08:58:43 < dongs> did you just learn about +.30 timezones?
2016-01-07T08:58:51 < dongs> theresa bunch of countries that d o it
2016-01-07T08:58:57 < dongs> there's even .15 ones
2016-01-07T08:58:59 < dongs> oh yea, right below
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2016-01-07T09:04:19 < ReadError> yea
2016-01-07T09:04:23 < ReadError> 15 like...
2016-01-07T09:04:25 < ReadError> why
2016-01-07T09:04:37 < ReadError> even 30 is too hard
2016-01-07T09:05:14 < zyp> dongs, bottom what? the performance numbers?
2016-01-07T09:05:33 < dongs> ya
2016-01-07T09:07:08 < zyp> the bridging/routing numbers is for data handled by the cpu, and it makes sense that they are so low since the cpu is not intended to handle data
2016-01-07T09:08:13 < zyp> i.e. only the switching numbers matters
2016-01-07T09:09:33 < zyp> http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/CRS226-140404140432.pdf <- according to this the CPU only got an 1Gb/s link to the switching fabric anyway
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2016-01-07T09:23:02 < dongs> oh, right
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2016-01-07T09:26:07 < dongs> nice, production-ready dpadapter for the jewpad air panel is working
2016-01-07T09:26:40 < dongs> now i just need to get the dixel one working properly :)
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2016-01-07T09:35:24 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/68u09f9.jpg http://imgur.com/a/jVKJZ
2016-01-07T09:39:14 < Sync> hmm
2016-01-07T09:41:25 < Sync> strange resolution
2016-01-07T09:43:00 < zyp> wat
2016-01-07T09:43:09 < zyp> poor connection in that usb plug or what?
2016-01-07T10:02:34 < dongs> zyp, no there's something in tehre
2016-01-07T10:02:36 < dongs> PTC or somethign maybe?
2016-01-07T10:02:45 < dongs> its the samdung official cable for the 9V charger thing
2016-01-07T10:02:46 < qyx> wreid
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2016-01-07T10:09:12 < zyp> oh
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2016-01-07T10:22:55 < dongs> Sync: which one? its same as jewpad but portrait
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2016-01-07T11:17:08 < jpa-> hm, stm32f303 flash is all evenly sized 2kB pages
2016-01-07T11:17:19 < jpa-> kind of nice for bootloaders etc.
2016-01-07T11:21:21 < PeterM> dongs, love the phone case/cover
2016-01-07T11:22:28 < ReadError> so kawaii
2016-01-07T11:22:30 < zyp> jpa-, yeah
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2016-01-07T11:23:51 < dongs> PeterM: ^_^
2016-01-07T11:24:26 < dongs> also 15C in my room :(
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2016-01-07T11:43:39 < karlp> fucking TI, spam about "premium free ebook", download the "analog engineers pocket reference"  pdf doesn't have a fucking index.
2016-01-07T11:43:48 < karlp> fucking preeeemeeeyum
2016-01-07T11:46:03 < PeterM> karlp it is a nice pocketbook if this were the 90s and it were an actual pocketbook., unfortunately now it is a bit impractical
2016-01-07T11:46:12 < PeterM> it isnt too bad of a uick look shit up thing though
2016-01-07T11:46:36 < zyp> if it doesn't even have an index, it's pretty fucking useless
2016-01-07T11:47:21 < dongs> you think thats bad?
2016-01-07T11:47:28 < dongs> i posted a question yesterday on TI jew2jew forums
2016-01-07T11:47:35 < dongs> this mornign i wake up and  there's a email from one of their sales faggots
2016-01-07T11:47:41 < dongs> asking me for mass production/sales prospects
2016-01-07T11:48:08 < PeterM> damn shapesifting jews
2016-01-07T11:48:33 < ReadError> tell them you want to be wine'd and dine'd before getting fucked
2016-01-07T11:49:58 < PeterM> tell em your thinking mass production, big ssales, extreme market penetration, like 10 units
2016-01-07T11:50:08 < PeterM> bait and switch
2016-01-07T11:50:26 < dongs> penetration is right
2016-01-07T11:50:37 < dongs> revolutionize the vapist industry
2016-01-07T11:59:12 < dongs> http://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-1-4302-4633-6
2016-01-07T11:59:18 < dongs> required reading for any innovator
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2016-01-07T13:13:07 < dongs> zyp found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTMMAzkAe1s
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2016-01-07T13:44:33 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/BiMLCE.jpg
2016-01-07T13:53:37 < dongs> BREAKING: Knife-wielding man runs towards Paris police station, reportedly wearing a suicide vest, before being shot dead by police, sources say. A bomb robot is now inspecting his remains.
2016-01-07T13:54:02 < Steffann_> BEAKING?
2016-01-07T13:54:24 < fenugrec> 'shot dead', not to confuse with 'killed with fire'
2016-01-07T13:54:39 < dongs> lol @ Beaking
2016-01-07T13:55:25 < Steffann_> its not 'murica fenugrec
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2016-01-07T14:17:49 < dongs> zyp, lol wut. the mikrodick thing has a touchscreen on it
2016-01-07T14:17:59 < zyp> I know
2016-01-07T14:18:06 < zyp> got it already?
2016-01-07T14:18:18 < dongs> haha no, i paid for slowass shipping. i dont need it that fast.
2016-01-07T14:18:24 < dongs> my pal got one tho
2016-01-07T14:18:30 < dongs> and is setting it up
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2016-01-07T14:22:23 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/2A0wAS7.png professional PCB critiquer here
2016-01-07T14:23:05 < dongs> UPDATE: Official says the man was shot outside a police station in Paris' 18th district after shouting 'Allahu Akbar'; today is anniversary of Charlie Hebdo attacks
2016-01-07T14:23:12 < jpa-> ReadError: board looks totally pro also
2016-01-07T14:23:31 < dongs> bakchos, lol
2016-01-07T14:23:35 < dongs> isnt that some asshole from rcgroups
2016-01-07T14:23:38 < dongs> name sounds famililar
2016-01-07T14:23:56 < ReadError> yea
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2016-01-07T14:32:05 < Fleck> :D
2016-01-07T14:32:47 < Fleck> windows, photoshop, arduino, looks like dongs PC :D
2016-01-07T14:33:44 < ReadError> how do people operate like that
2016-01-07T14:33:53 < ReadError> fuckin half the taskbar is icons
2016-01-07T14:33:59 < dongs> VNC too
2016-01-07T14:34:01 < dongs> and VLC
2016-01-07T14:34:02 < dongs> and utorrent
2016-01-07T14:34:03 < dongs> what hte fuck
2016-01-07T14:34:04 < dongs> aids
2016-01-07T14:34:14 < dongs> ReadError: well, my taskbar is 3840 pixels wide
2016-01-07T14:34:24 < dongs> i have 4 things pinned @ taskbar
2016-01-07T14:34:32 < dongs> that takes up like 1/10th of one 4k monitor
2016-01-07T14:34:47 < ReadError> well this is a laptop with shit res
2016-01-07T14:34:52 < ReadError> it should be on the left/right anyways
2016-01-07T14:35:10 < dongs> that media player looks like a fucking forgotten-to-unpin
2016-01-07T14:35:15 < dongs> cuz who the fuck actually USES media player
2016-01-07T14:36:09 < ReadError> what can media player even play
2016-01-07T14:36:14 < ReadError> besides some avis and mp3s
2016-01-07T14:36:22 < dongs> no idea
2016-01-07T14:36:27 < dongs> everytime i start it by mistake
2016-01-07T14:36:31 < dongs> it asks me for some initial setup thign
2016-01-07T14:36:35 < dongs> i never go past that
2016-01-07T14:36:38 < zyp> sounds like itunes
2016-01-07T14:37:01 < zyp> itunes does the same fucking shit, so I've taken to just deleting itunes.app
2016-01-07T14:37:18 < dongs> haha
2016-01-07T14:37:26 < dongs> dont you need that to like talk to any apple hardware?
2016-01-07T14:37:29 < dongs> like phones etc
2016-01-07T14:37:37 < zyp> I don't have any of that shit
2016-01-07T14:37:40 < ReadError> my vlc still has a stupid xmas hat
2016-01-07T14:37:44 < zyp> I just like OS X
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2016-01-07T14:39:08 < Steffann_> i bought even real music using itunes once.
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2016-01-07T14:41:05 < ReadError> did you grandma give you a useless itunes giftcard?
2016-01-07T14:42:39 < Steffann_> Yes something like that.
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2016-01-07T14:54:19 < dongs> windows10 underlines  'jews' as mistype
2016-01-07T14:54:22 < dongs> wants me to capitalize it
2016-01-07T14:54:24 < dongs> racist.
2016-01-07T14:55:51 < karlp> add-to-dictionary, move on with your life.
2016-01-07T14:56:23 < zyp> haha
2016-01-07T15:05:20 < Laurenceb_> http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/toy-f-16-bought-on-amazon-plays-islamic-prayer-instead-of-jet-noises/
2016-01-07T15:05:52 < dongs> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooold
2016-01-07T15:06:03 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/BiMLCE.jpg
2016-01-07T15:06:11 < dongs> even older
2016-01-07T15:06:14 < dongs> infact, was already pasted in here
2016-01-07T15:06:40 < ReadError> yea by Laurenceb_
2016-01-07T15:06:47 < ReadError> <Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/BiMLCE.jpg
2016-01-07T15:06:57 < dongs> lol
2016-01-07T15:06:58 < dongs> god damn stoner
2016-01-07T15:07:11 < dongs> 20:44 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/BiMLCE.jpg
2016-01-07T15:07:11 < dongs> 22:06 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/BiMLCE.jpg
2016-01-07T15:12:07 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1452132315431.jpg
2016-01-07T15:14:40 < dongs> you binary cisfaggot you
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2016-01-07T15:20:48 < ReadError> http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/transgender-woman-spends-%C2%A352k-on-plastic-surgery-to-look-perfect/ar-AAgrnfO?ocid=mailsignoutmd
2016-01-07T15:23:30 < dongs> what the fuck
2016-01-07T15:24:13 < gordonjcp> probably wants to get her money back off whoever did her lips
2016-01-07T15:24:19 < gordonjcp> they made a right cunt of that
2016-01-07T15:24:46 < gordonjcp> plastic surgery implants by Michelen?
2016-01-07T15:25:07 < ReadError> you think someone would just be like "stop"
2016-01-07T15:25:14 < ReadError> the doctor for example..
2016-01-07T15:25:42 < gordonjcp> you know what that whole plastic surgery thing reminds me of
2016-01-07T15:25:46 < gordonjcp> not just her, on anyone
2016-01-07T15:26:09 < gordonjcp> have you ever seen the episode of Father Ted where he's trying to straighten a dent out of the car?
2016-01-07T15:29:34 < dongs> i think im gonna dickstart this displayport thing
2016-01-07T15:30:06 < dongs> as i've said about all the other shit i havent dickstarted
2016-01-07T15:34:54 < zyp> haha
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2016-01-07T15:38:33 < dongs> zyp, you want one dont you
2016-01-07T15:38:41 < dongs> or does osx not move icons around
2016-01-07T15:38:45 < dongs> if you disconnect a monitor
2016-01-07T15:39:02 < zyp> idk, I don't use desktop icons
2016-01-07T15:39:12 < dongs> me neither
2016-01-07T15:39:14 < ReadError> osx doesnt resize
2016-01-07T15:39:15 < zyp> but it moves windows around
2016-01-07T15:39:17 < dongs> yeah that.
2016-01-07T15:39:21 < ReadError> or mine doesnt
2016-01-07T15:39:37 < dongs> windows is what rages me. icons I dont use eihter
2016-01-07T15:39:40 < zyp> dunno, I don't tend to disconnect displayport
2016-01-07T15:39:51 < ReadError> when you turn off the monitor?
2016-01-07T15:39:58 < ReadError> must be a windows thing
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2016-01-07T15:40:04 < zyp> but it tends to respond to the hdmi link when I turn on/off tv
2016-01-07T15:40:04 < dongs> <zyp> electricity here is cheap, i dont turn it off
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2016-01-07T15:40:27 < zyp> turn off the monitor? why would I do that?
2016-01-07T15:40:32 < dongs> ^ see?
2016-01-07T15:40:48 < ReadError> being green and stuff
2016-01-07T15:41:41 < zyp> when I leave the computer, I put the monitors in standby, I don't see why I would turn them completely off
2016-01-07T15:41:58 < ReadError> i just hit the power button
2016-01-07T15:42:07 < zyp> on each monitor?
2016-01-07T15:42:21 < ReadError> ya
2016-01-07T15:42:31 < zyp> sounds like a waste of time
2016-01-07T15:42:55 < ReadError> i can do 2 at a time thanks to GargantuaSauce_'s arm tutorial
2016-01-07T15:43:02 < zyp> when I leave the computer I hit ctrl-esc-eject which is default shortcut for "suspend all monitors"
2016-01-07T15:43:16 < zyp> ctrl-shift-eject I mean
2016-01-07T15:43:30 < ReadError> i dont have an eject button ;(
2016-01-07T15:43:47 < zyp> idk then
2016-01-07T15:44:02 < zyp> if I forget, screensaver settings turns the monitors off anyway after 10-15 minutes
2016-01-07T15:44:05 < ReadError> wait, you use the apple keyboards?
2016-01-07T15:44:08 < zyp> yeah?
2016-01-07T15:44:26 < ReadError> oh dear, bless your heart
2016-01-07T15:44:36 < karlp> he runs osx, why wouldn't he want an apple keyboard?
2016-01-07T15:44:57 < ReadError> they dont go clicky-clack
2016-01-07T15:45:26 < zyp> I don't buy into the mechanical keyboard hype
2016-01-07T15:47:55 < ReadError> i wouldnt call it hype tho
2016-01-07T15:49:44 < zyp> I don't care what you call it, I don't see the point
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2016-01-07T16:07:18 < dongs> hmm
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2016-01-07T16:07:26 < dongs> my win10 idle timer never runs
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2016-01-07T16:18:51 < Sync> dongs: the ipad one, it just is strange because it is not a standard panel
2016-01-07T16:30:13 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/07/foetal_streaming_service/
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2016-01-07T16:40:03 < Yoduza> what is name of the soft for visualise signals logs ?
2016-01-07T16:40:53 < Laurenceb_> gnuplot??
2016-01-07T16:41:02 < Yoduza> thanks
2016-01-07T16:41:05 < Laurenceb_> excel??
2016-01-07T16:41:19 < Yoduza> gnuplot
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2016-01-07T16:42:59 < Steffann_> labview.
2016-01-07T16:44:29 < Laurenceb_> hahaha
2016-01-07T16:44:40 < Laurenceb_>  /troll
2016-01-07T16:47:03 < Steffann_> Yoduza aren't you that parallel stm32 computing guy?
2016-01-07T16:48:44 < Laurenceb_> that sounds like a troll project
2016-01-07T16:49:00 < Laurenceb_> talking of troll projects
2016-01-07T16:49:01 < Laurenceb_> https://fsmedia.imgix.net/8b/6e/54/94/be55/4826/857c/a2e1d114f854/hyperloopgif.gif?dpr=1&auto=format&q=75
2016-01-07T16:49:06 < ReadError> i heard you can stack 2 tqfp and get SMP power
2016-01-07T16:51:09 < Steffann_> except that it wasnt a trollproject
2016-01-07T16:52:40 < Laurenceb_> hyperloop is a troll by Elon Musk
2016-01-07T16:53:27 < Steffann_> i mean the parallel stm32 computing
2016-01-07T16:54:40 < Laurenceb_> just use a more powerful micro
2016-01-07T16:54:46 < Steffann_> Noo.
2016-01-07T16:55:03 < gordonjcp> Laurenceb_: depends what the goal is
2016-01-07T16:55:25 < gordonjcp> Laurenceb_: why would you build a RAID array of 3.5" floppy drives?
2016-01-07T16:55:48 < Laurenceb_> exactly, it'd be retarded
2016-01-07T16:55:48 < ReadError> Laurenceb has like 4 of those sata to 10x SD card things
2016-01-07T16:56:27 < Laurenceb_> economies of scale dont work like that with processors
2016-01-07T16:56:41 < gordonjcp> Laurenceb_: no, building a RAID with floppy drives is a really good idea
2016-01-07T16:56:44 < gordonjcp> it works extremely well
2016-01-07T16:56:52 < Laurenceb_> ^what the fuck
2016-01-07T16:56:56 < gordonjcp> as reliable high-capacity storage it's a bit shit
2016-01-07T16:56:59 < Steffann_> it workED extremely well.
2016-01-07T16:57:03 < gordonjcp> but you can fail out a disk by ejecting one
2016-01-07T16:57:11 < gordonjcp> and watch the other three take over
2016-01-07T16:57:12 < Steffann_> nowadays we have better solutions.
2016-01-07T16:57:23 < gordonjcp> watch it rebuild the array when you put a new blank disk in
2016-01-07T16:57:27 < gordonjcp> all of it happens really slowly
2016-01-07T16:57:53 < gordonjcp> if you're trying to explain RAID to a class, it's an absolutely stunning demonstration
2016-01-07T16:58:13 < gordonjcp> you can do TCP/IP over 1200 baud soundmodems
2016-01-07T16:58:29 < jpa-> ReadError: hmm yeah, actually stacking a bunch of STM32 on top of each other might make kind of neat SMP :P
2016-01-07T16:58:29 < Steffann_> You can use smoke signals too.
2016-01-07T16:58:30 < gordonjcp> everything happens so slowly that you can actually talk through what's happening with the class
2016-01-07T16:58:36 < gordonjcp> Steffann_: yup
2016-01-07T16:58:38 < jpa-> they could easily share FSMC bus
2016-01-07T16:59:03 < Laurenceb_> everyone in here has literally gone mad
2016-01-07T16:59:18 < gordonjcp> the point I'm getting at here is that if you wanted to demonstrate the principles behind SMP, you could do worse than make a pile of STM32 boards talk to each other
2016-01-07T16:59:36 < Steffann_> jpa-, at least go this "in-pcb" stm32 style like dongs once did.
2016-01-07T17:00:01 < gordonjcp> Laurenceb_: you might not understand the requirements
2016-01-07T17:00:37 < Steffann_> Laurenceb_: you are here for that reason, not?
2016-01-07T17:01:06 < Steffann_> First we had a sane #stm32 then you joined.
2016-01-07T17:01:35 < jpa-> gordonjcp: hmm yeah, floppy drive raid starts to sound like a good idea
2016-01-07T17:01:47 < jpa-> especially as with usb floppy drives it would be trivial to set up
2016-01-07T17:02:30 < gordonjcp> jpa-: yeah exactly
2016-01-07T17:02:31 < jpa-> of course one can argue that idea of raid is simple enough to understand without demonstration, but still works as a great setup for hands-on practice on linux raid
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2016-01-07T17:02:45 < gordonjcp> jpa-: yes, but it's cool to actually watch stuff happen
2016-01-07T17:02:48 < jpa-> yeah
2016-01-07T17:02:58 < jpa-> keeps students awake for 5 minutes
2016-01-07T17:03:06 < gordonjcp> jpa-: and the TCP-over-AX.25 thing, you tune the modems to run at slightly different frequencies
2016-01-07T17:03:14 < gordonjcp> pan the speakers left and right
2016-01-07T17:03:18 < Steffann_> you must be very old gordonjcp
2016-01-07T17:03:27 < gordonjcp> Steffann_: and you must get off my lawn
2016-01-07T17:03:43 < Steffann_> Scotland is way too rainy for me.
2016-01-07T17:04:07 < gordonjcp> jpa-: you hear one side send an ARP request, the other replies, the next sends an ICMP ping, the other sends a reply...
2016-01-07T17:04:13 < gordonjcp> Steffann_: it is today :-/
2016-01-07T17:04:37 < gordonjcp> it's going to be pretty dark by the time I get home from work
2016-01-07T17:04:52 < gordonjcp> that'll make it hard to check if the Landrover is still at its mooring
2016-01-07T17:04:59 < gordonjcp> since I don't really have a parking space now
2016-01-07T17:05:24 < gordonjcp> if it keeps on like this I'm taking the towball off and fitting an outboard
2016-01-07T17:07:14 < karlp> have to get the landrover running again first wouldn't you? it's already broken down by now right?
2016-01-07T17:07:36 < gordonjcp> well
2016-01-07T17:07:37 < jpa-> Steffann_: you are welcome to visit my lawn
2016-01-07T17:07:48 < gordonjcp> karlp: yeah kind of
2016-01-07T17:08:03 < karlp> ;)
2016-01-07T17:08:14  * karlp is trying to buy a car now too.
2016-01-07T17:08:16 < karlp> stupid cars.
2016-01-07T17:08:22 < gordonjcp> karlp: it's been so wet I haven't been able to do much to it, I've had a prototype solenoid driver for the airbag controller waiting to go on for two weeks
2016-01-07T17:08:22 < karlp> either rusty or broken or expensive or all three.
2016-01-07T17:09:10 < gordonjcp> karlp: yeah eventually I figured out where I was going wrong with it, I was spending all my time with loose cars and expensive women
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2016-01-07T17:27:32 < Steffanx> Ok, keep the sauna warm and cosy jpa-
2016-01-07T17:27:38 < jpa-> will do
2016-01-07T17:28:02 < jpa-> lawn is cozy -30C now
2016-01-07T17:28:54 < zyp> karlp, that's why I'm buying a new one
2016-01-07T17:31:25 < Steffanx> Business goes that well zyp?
2016-01-07T17:31:45 < Steffanx> New appartment, new car..
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2016-01-07T17:39:01 < Steffanx> Or do people in norway get a loan for cars etc.?
2016-01-07T17:39:27 < zyp> yes?
2016-01-07T17:41:11 < upgrdman_> where can you NOT get a loan for cars?
2016-01-07T17:41:52 < ReadError> makes sense with damn near 0% APR
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2016-01-07T17:43:28 < Steffanx> In dutchland the 2nd hand cars business is big upgrdman_
2016-01-07T17:43:41 < ReadError> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/07/plain_cruelty_boffins_flay_linux_ransomware_for_the_third_time/
2016-01-07T17:43:44 < Steffanx> You usually dont need a loan for that
2016-01-07T17:43:58 < upgrdman_> Steffanx, k
2016-01-07T17:45:01 < Steffanx> Not sure if many get a loan for new cars.
2016-01-07T17:45:28 < upgrdman_> so in .de buying a new car is like a status symbol?
2016-01-07T17:45:41 < upgrdman_> err .nl
2016-01-07T17:45:58 < upgrdman_> .nl = dutchland, .de = deutchland, right?
2016-01-07T17:46:29 < Steffanx> Affirmative
2016-01-07T17:46:44 < Steffanx> Not sure if its a status thing
2016-01-07T17:47:10 < gxti> buying new cars is always a status thing
2016-01-07T17:48:16 < jpa-> here many get a loan for a care, but it rarely makes sense to get a car loan
2016-01-07T17:49:46 < Laurenceb_> annoyingly its worth buying a new car due to silly low tax in uk
2016-01-07T17:50:22 < Laurenceb_> buying new cars too often is a pita
2016-01-07T17:50:36 < upgrdman_> gxti, not really. when buying used you also have risks of the previous owner being an idiot and cause damage not readily noticable. so dependability is more of a question. if you're a DIY mechanic is no big deal, but if not, it's a noteworthy risk
2016-01-07T17:50:47 < zyp> secondhand cars are big business here too, but I'm a bit tired of putting up with old shitty cars
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2016-01-07T17:52:14 < Ecco> Hi guys!
2016-01-07T17:52:21 < upgrdman_> Hi Ecco!
2016-01-07T17:52:26 < Ecco> :)
2016-01-07T17:52:39 < Steffanx> Hi Ecco!
2016-01-07T17:53:02 < Ecco> My brother just moved into a new place. He suspects there's something wrong with the power because several of his electronic devices just died.
2016-01-07T17:53:21 < zyp> nice
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2016-01-07T17:53:48 < Ecco> Well, I'm a bit skeptical because power here is generally pretty good
2016-01-07T17:54:00 < Ecco> So it might as well just be a coincidence
2016-01-07T17:54:00 < gordonjcp> well, it can't hurt to measure the voltage
2016-01-07T17:54:09 < Ecco> Indeed
2016-01-07T17:54:10 < Steffanx> Blame the guys who moved the stuff ;)
2016-01-07T17:54:36 < gordonjcp> the town my mum used to live in had a rather nasty one where a very large substation upstream from them had a faulty tapchanger
2016-01-07T17:54:40 < Ecco> But that got me thinking: what would be the easiest way to quantify how good or how bad the power is?
2016-01-07T17:54:47 < gordonjcp> ran everything at around 270V
2016-01-07T17:54:50 < Ecco> aouch
2016-01-07T17:54:56 < gordonjcp> for a while it was about 300V
2016-01-07T17:55:02 < Ecco> Ok, so that's be very easy to figure out
2016-01-07T17:55:22 < gordonjcp> I was driving round to hers, thought "man the streetlights seem really bright or something"
2016-01-07T17:55:37 < gordonjcp> the fridge and freezer motors were really loud
2016-01-07T17:55:39 < Ecco> :-D
2016-01-07T17:55:46 < gordonjcp> "oh yeah my answering machine seems to have stopped working"
2016-01-07T17:55:47 < gordonjcp> no shit
2016-01-07T17:56:05 < gordonjcp> cost Scottish Power an absolute fortune, replacing everything that was damaged
2016-01-07T17:56:08 < Ecco> Well, I'm going to lend him my multimeter but I doubt he'll find anything
2016-01-07T17:56:11 < gordonjcp> yeah
2016-01-07T17:56:23 < gordonjcp> if you've got a hugely overvoltage supply you'll see it on a meter
2016-01-07T17:56:37 < gordonjcp> if it's dirty rather than obviously over or under you need a Dranetz
2016-01-07T17:56:56 < Ecco> ok, that's what I was looking for
2016-01-07T17:57:02 < Ecco> I guess it costs an arm and a leg?
2016-01-07T17:57:05 < gordonjcp> you can hire them
2016-01-07T17:57:13 < Ecco> hire? or rent?
2016-01-07T17:57:29 < Ecco> ok, if it's actually "hire" then we definitely don't have that kind of budget
2016-01-07T17:57:46 < gordonjcp> the power company might come out and check it
2016-01-07T17:57:51 < Ecco> oh
2016-01-07T17:57:59 < Ecco> That's actually a good suggestion
2016-01-07T17:58:04 < celeron55> you could just use an oscilloscope of course; just set a trigger to something higher than the normal peak voltage and see if it catches something
2016-01-07T17:58:12 < gordonjcp> ye
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2016-01-07T17:58:31 < Ecco> Oh, indeed
2016-01-07T17:59:25 < Ecco> could small voltage drop damage stuff?
2016-01-07T17:59:32 < upgrdman_> or better yet use the scope to setup a pass/fail waveform, so you also catch dirty AC
2016-01-07T17:59:35 < Ecco> (he lost a 3D printer and an LCD screen)
2016-01-07T17:59:37 < celeron55> it's not going to tell you whether the waveform is perfect but things probably don't break unless it's overvoltage
2016-01-07T17:59:54 < upgrdman_> i had this problem a couple years ago:  http://farrellf.com/temp/ac_waveform.png
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2016-01-07T18:00:01 < Ecco> Seriously?
2016-01-07T18:00:03 < Ecco> WTF :-D
2016-01-07T18:00:08 < upgrdman_> ya i know
2016-01-07T18:00:15 < upgrdman_> made shit flicker all the time
2016-01-07T18:00:17 < Ecco> Oh, yeah, that's how you labeled it :)
2016-01-07T18:00:29 < upgrdman_> my UPS sounded like it had tourretts
2016-01-07T18:00:33 < Ecco> :-D
2016-01-07T18:01:23 < jpa-> scope that can collect min/max waveforms is nice for debugging such issues
2016-01-07T18:01:33 < celeron55> what's even going on in that waveform?
2016-01-07T18:01:44 < upgrdman_> celeron55, ac was intermittent.
2016-01-07T18:02:08 < upgrdman_> i think it was a loose wire on one of my split phase lines
2016-01-07T18:02:26 < Ecco> I don't have an oscilloscope just yet. Which one would you guys advise I buy?
2016-01-07T18:02:28 < upgrdman_> i called the elec company, they found no problem. and a couple days later it magically fixed itself
2016-01-07T18:02:38 < upgrdman_> Ecco, the best you can afford
2016-01-07T18:02:52 < Ecco> Make sense. Any general guidance?
2016-01-07T18:02:57 < Ecco> (brand, features)
2016-01-07T18:03:01 < upgrdman_> budget?
2016-01-07T18:03:21 < Ecco> Honestly I have no idea. Ideally $100, but maybe that's hopeless?
2016-01-07T18:03:27 < upgrdman_> ya
2016-01-07T18:03:33 < upgrdman_> like $350 is min
2016-01-07T18:03:36 < Ecco> ok
2016-01-07T18:03:43 < Ecco> Maybe I could find a used one
2016-01-07T18:03:45 < upgrdman_> unless you want usb toy, which is maybe $100-$200
2016-01-07T18:03:45 < jpa-> Ecco: rigols are cheap nowadays if you buy new
2016-01-07T18:03:55 < upgrdman_> but many usb toys cant handle mains voltages
2016-01-07T18:04:06 < Ecco> I bought a HP Gigabit Switch a few years ago
2016-01-07T18:04:12 < Ecco> they were like $2000+ brand new
2016-01-07T18:04:16 < jpa-> at $100 you can get at most dso touch or some 2nd hand analog, neither of which is particularly great
2016-01-07T18:04:20 < aandrew> heh
2016-01-07T18:04:36 < Ecco> and I got it for like $200 because, well, few people actually need 24 port ethernet switches, so the resell value drops significantly
2016-01-07T18:04:42 < aandrew> I just bought two Cisco Catalyst WS-C2970G-24TS-Es for $175 total
2016-01-07T18:04:46 < Ecco> nice
2016-01-07T18:04:57 < Ecco> lemme check those
2016-01-07T18:05:12 < aandrew> and then a single WS-C3560-48PS-S for $50
2016-01-07T18:05:35 < Ecco> what the hell are you doing with such a massive switching capacity? :-)
2016-01-07T18:05:35 < aandrew> the C2970 are 24-port gigabit switches with 4 SFP
2016-01-07T18:05:43 < Ecco> yeah, I just looked them up on Amazon
2016-01-07T18:05:43 < aandrew> Ecco: well, I don't need 48 ports
2016-01-07T18:05:45 < aandrew> that's for sure
2016-01-07T18:05:56 < aandrew> but the two 24 ports are for the house and workshop, connected via fiber
2016-01-07T18:06:00 < Ecco> Nice
2016-01-07T18:06:11 < Ecco> The 48 port one is PoE?
2016-01-07T18:06:13 < aandrew> the 48 port is WAY overkill but I couldn't find gigabit PoE for cheap enough
2016-01-07T18:06:27 < aandrew> so 48 ports of 10/100 PoE, of which I will probably use 10 ports :-/
2016-01-07T18:06:36 < aandrew> but they're all managed
2016-01-07T18:06:40 < Ecco> That's nice
2016-01-07T18:06:49 < Ecco> For some reason
2016-01-07T18:06:56 < aandrew> and you can't beat $225 for a full gigabit network with 10/100 PoE
2016-01-07T18:06:57 < Ecco> PoE + Gigabit are *very* expensive
2016-01-07T18:07:09 < Ecco> Also Cisco switch have very good reputation
2016-01-07T18:07:15 < Ecco> that HP switch that I bought eventually died
2016-01-07T18:07:27 < Ecco> but HP have a rock solid customer service
2016-01-07T18:07:34 < Ecco> they sent a brand new replacement one within 24 hours
2016-01-07T18:07:39 < Ecco> for free
2016-01-07T18:09:20 < Ecco> I'm browsing the local classifieds. There's a dude selling a scope for 4000€
2016-01-07T18:09:28 < Ecco> Seriously?
2016-01-07T18:10:26 < upgrdman_> nice scope?
2016-01-07T18:10:36 < Ecco> tektronix MSO2024
2016-01-07T18:10:39 < upgrdman_> high end oscopes can be 5 and 6 figures
2016-01-07T18:10:57 < Ecco> Oh, ok. What makes them so great? Insane sample rate?
2016-01-07T18:11:22 < upgrdman_> quality in general. for example:
2016-01-07T18:11:27 < upgrdman_> high waveform rate
2016-01-07T18:11:36 < upgrdman_> good protocol decoding in real time
2016-01-07T18:11:45 < upgrdman_> good calibration
2016-01-07T18:11:50 < Ecco> wait, wouldn't that be a logic analyzer then?
2016-01-07T18:12:11 < upgrdman_> you can use ~all oscopes as log anal'ers
2016-01-07T18:12:18 < upgrdman_> just with 2 or 4 channels only
2016-01-07T18:12:37 < Ecco> hmm, ok, I'm used to old-school 1-channel scopes
2016-01-07T18:12:45 < Ecco> I guess you can start decoding stuff with 4 channels indeed
2016-01-07T18:13:06 < upgrdman_> and if you're debugging, log anal'ing in the analog domain is important
2016-01-07T18:13:37 < Ecco> well, so far I *really* figured out why a logic analyzer was absolutely unavoidable
2016-01-07T18:13:46 < Ecco> but I haven't felt the need for an analogue scope
2016-01-07T18:17:08 < __rob> anyone used sigrok with a knock off salee ?
2016-01-07T18:17:12 < Ecco> Well, there are very few Rigol scopes in the local classified
2016-01-07T18:17:22 < __rob> wondering if there is any way to set it to continious mode
2016-01-07T18:17:43 < __rob> have to keep pretty run when it runs to sample limit
2016-01-07T18:17:53 < Ecco> I haven't given Sigrok a try yet. I have the first Saleao Logic, and their app did what I needed
2016-01-07T18:17:59 < celeron55> i think it's noteworthy that for example a scope optimized for very high frequencies might have an inconvenient user interface for something else
2016-01-07T18:18:14 < __rob> I just tried it for all the swo tracing stuff
2016-01-07T18:18:21 < __rob> the pulseview bit so far is quite nice
2016-01-07T18:18:28 < __rob> I can see the trace live, which I cant with saelee
2016-01-07T18:19:12 < Ecco> That's definitely something that could have helped me a lot
2016-01-07T18:19:20 < Ecco> So thanks for the info :)
2016-01-07T18:19:42 < __rob> just like to be able to run it continous with a cicular buffer
2016-01-07T18:20:23 < englishman> Laurenceb_: i cant wait til the first live human explosive decompression of a hyperloop capsule
2016-01-07T18:20:31 < englishman> its gonna be epic
2016-01-07T18:20:37 < __rob> Ecco, http://essentialscrap.com/tips/arm_trace/theory.html
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2016-01-07T18:20:41 < Laurenceb_> not going to happen
2016-01-07T18:20:41 < englishman> blood and brains all on the inside of a little tube
2016-01-07T18:20:45 < Ecco> apparently sigrok has its own firmware for the Logic
2016-01-07T18:20:48 < __rob> this was why I wanted it, its someone on here's site
2016-01-07T18:20:56 < Laurenceb_> englishman: hyperloop is retarded for tons of reasons
2016-01-07T18:21:09 < Laurenceb_> like the fact that the problem its supposed to solve doesnt exist
2016-01-07T18:21:14 < __rob> Ecco, it says that, but I ran it with a fresh ebay salee
2016-01-07T18:21:18 < __rob> without any FW upgrade
2016-01-07T18:21:18 < Laurenceb_> or the channel tunnle would be impossible
2016-01-07T18:21:24 < Ecco> http://essentialscrap.com/tips/arm_trace/discovery.jpg
2016-01-07T18:21:34 < __rob> so bit confused about what their FW offering does
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2016-01-07T18:21:42 < englishman> cuz there is no FW
2016-01-07T18:21:47 < englishman> and its sent to the device on startup
2016-01-07T18:21:54 < Ecco> yeah, that's my understanding too
2016-01-07T18:21:58 < Ecco> You don't flash the logic
2016-01-07T18:22:04 < __rob> ohh right
2016-01-07T18:22:10 < __rob> so salee software uploads FW too ?
2016-01-07T18:22:27 < Ecco> Yeah, that's my understanding
2016-01-07T18:22:45 < Ecco> http://essentialscrap.com/tips/arm_trace/discovery.jpg -> What the hell is that "Saleae logic" thing? That's a copy?
2016-01-07T18:22:57 < __rob> ebay one
2016-01-07T18:23:03 < englishman> as much of a "copy" as making a breakout board for that one chip can be
2016-01-07T18:23:03 < __rob> there like $4
2016-01-07T18:23:04 < __rob> or less
2016-01-07T18:23:18 < Ecco> hmm, I see
2016-01-07T18:23:26 < Ecco> Well, they should just not use the name
2016-01-07T18:23:29 < Ecco> and ship Sigrok then
2016-01-07T18:23:32 < Rob235_> that looks like the one I have
2016-01-07T18:23:36 < Rob235_> piece of shit
2016-01-07T18:23:47 < Rob235_> it works great except for one annoying problem
2016-01-07T18:23:48 < Ecco> I like the packaging of the "real" one though
2016-01-07T18:23:51 < englishman> just use the name saleaeclone
2016-01-07T18:23:57 < englishman> very descriptive and concise
2016-01-07T18:24:00 < Ecco> :-D
2016-01-07T18:24:04 < __rob> shorted one of those to 18v, so i'm glad it was only $4
2016-01-07T18:24:13 < Ecco> What's the point of ETM by the way?
2016-01-07T18:24:14 < __rob> would have stung if it was $100+
2016-01-07T18:24:25 < Rob235_> the usb cable even when fully plugged in, if you move it a tiny bit goes from connected to disconnected
2016-01-07T18:24:36 < __rob>  Rob235, mine is fine
2016-01-07T18:24:39 < Rob235_> lucky
2016-01-07T18:24:57 < __rob> well, 3/3 are fine :)
2016-01-07T18:25:02 < __rob> as was the last
2016-01-07T18:25:12 < __rob> so your unlucky I think
2016-01-07T18:25:36 < Rob235_> i have to check its connected and not move every time I use it
2016-01-07T18:25:36 < jpa-> Ecco: yeah, i might have bought just FX2 breakout, but that one came with testhooks
2016-01-07T18:25:38 < Rob235_> :)
2016-01-07T18:25:45 < __rob> maybe just check the solding on the usb connector
2016-01-07T18:25:51 < __rob> soldering*
2016-01-07T18:26:03 < Rob235_> yea maybe, i'll check it later
2016-01-07T18:26:06 < __rob> or just buy another few off ebay
2016-01-07T18:26:07 < Ecco> well for $4 that's one hell of a good deal anyway
2016-01-07T18:26:14 < __rob> probally more economical
2016-01-07T18:26:25 < Rob235_> when it stays connected it works great though
2016-01-07T18:26:30 < Rob235_> helped me a lot
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2016-01-07T19:13:25 < karlp> zyp: no money for a new new car, that's crazzzzy :) at least, not the sort I'm looking at.
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2016-01-07T19:45:19 < zyp> hehe, that's part of why I'm buying electric
2016-01-07T19:46:01 < zyp> because there's currently no VAT on EVs, which would otherwise be 25%, so that's an instant 20% off compared to a normal car in the same class
2016-01-07T19:46:25 < zyp> and that's before the other savings
2016-01-07T19:46:43 < karlp> yeah, I was hoping our car would last another year, then maybe be able to afford to buy a new EV.
2016-01-07T19:46:59 < karlp> that hasn't happened :)
2016-01-07T19:47:56 < zyp> my old one is due for its biennial inspection by february
2016-01-07T19:48:10 < zyp> and I'm kinda tired of pouring money into it
2016-01-07T19:48:13 < karlp> what do you have now?
2016-01-07T19:48:23 < zyp> '91 Volvo 240
2016-01-07T19:48:29 < karlp> oh, nice and old.
2016-01-07T19:49:19 < zyp> used to be my parents' old family car, they replaced it eight years ago, so I took this with me when I moved to uni
2016-01-07T19:50:06 < zyp> so it's seen its fair share of abuse :p
2016-01-07T19:53:12 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2016/01/07/open-source-firmware-for-a-mini-quadrotor/
2016-01-07T19:53:15 < Laurenceb_> stm32 powered
2016-01-07T19:54:34 < Laurenceb_>  its running naze
2016-01-07T19:57:26 < GargantuaSauce_> cleanflight plz
2016-01-07T19:58:10 < rewolff> Cortex M4 manual: Load multiple (LDM) operations and store multiple (STM) operations are interruptible. The EPSR holds the information required to continue the load or store multiple from the point where the interrupt occurred.
2016-01-07T19:58:23 < rewolff> It then continues: This means that software must not use load-multiple or store-multiple instructions to access a device or access a memory region that is read-sensitive ....
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2016-01-07T19:58:42 < rewolff> If it is restarted, how would a read sensitive memory area be in trouble?
2016-01-07T19:59:09 < karlp> it says it continues, not restarts?
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2016-01-07T19:59:23 < rewolff> Sounds to me as if the last statement was not fixed after the hardware was "fixed" to CONTINUE instead of RESTART teh instruction...?
2016-01-07T20:00:02 < rewolff> ** indeed:  If it is restarted, -> if it is *continued*
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2016-01-07T20:04:55 < aandrew> yes, tell them that this is a ridiculous place for a furnace, it forces you to break up the basement, lowering its resale value.
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2016-01-07T20:08:45 < zyp> aandrew, ok
2016-01-07T20:09:13 < aandrew> zyp: heh
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2016-01-07T20:26:56 < englishman> wow zyp thats quite the incentive to buy ev
2016-01-07T20:27:21 < englishman> but you will miss your vulvo i guarantee it
2016-01-07T20:28:36 < englishman> here its an $8k rebate and $600 rebate on home charger installation
2016-01-07T20:28:44 < englishman> plus theres free chargers everywhere, and even EV-only lanes now
2016-01-07T20:30:14 < Steffanx> EV-only lanes? Is that a joke?
2016-01-07T20:30:19 < englishman> no
2016-01-07T20:30:38 < englishman> they get a special license plate in green
2016-01-07T20:30:47 < XTL> sounds like amazingly precious realestate to use for that
2016-01-07T20:31:15 < englishman> it is working, this province is 30% of the population and we bought 80% of the evs in the country
2016-01-07T20:31:44 < Steffanx> So the EV-lanes now have more cars on them than the non-EV lanes?
2016-01-07T20:32:01 < englishman> i dono i never leave the house
2016-01-07T20:32:04 < XTL> I didn't notice to look if I could spot any Leaf or Amera or such out today
2016-01-07T20:32:42 < XTL> It was -30 C. Would be interesting to know how that would have worked out.
2016-01-07T20:33:01 < englishman> whers that
2016-01-07T20:33:10 < XTL> Oulu.fi
2016-01-07T20:33:10 < Steffanx> -30 there as well. You are jpa-'s neighbour?
2016-01-07T20:33:19 < Steffanx> oh, you are kapsi.fi too.
2016-01-07T20:33:21 < englishman> cool
2016-01-07T20:33:28 < Sync> even if there was a good incentive to get an EV I'd never get one
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2016-01-07T20:34:58 < Steffanx> but you are german, you prefer a "cheat software".
2016-01-07T20:35:02 < Steffanx> -a
2016-01-07T20:37:15 < englishman> https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7331-the_exhaust_emissions_scandal_dieselgate
2016-01-07T20:37:20 < englishman> related, this was an invormative talk
2016-01-07T20:37:52 < Steffanx> meanwhile in a'dam on new years eve: https://youtu.be/SgTBhISVP9E?t=50s
2016-01-07T20:39:23 < englishman> haha
2016-01-07T20:42:09 < Steffanx> intresting, will listen to that talk this weekend i think.
2016-01-07T20:47:25 < zyp> in norway we don't have EV-only lanes, but EVs can use most bus lanes
2016-01-07T20:48:45 < zyp> and yeah, the no VAT thing is great
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2016-01-07T20:50:00 < zyp> there's also currently no road tolls, a very small annual fee, a bunch of free car ferries
2016-01-07T20:50:32 < zyp> and then of course the fact that electricity is much cheaper than gas for a given distance travelled
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2016-01-07T21:15:30 < Sync> you can just skip over the first 30 minutes englishman Steffanx
2016-01-07T21:15:57 < englishman> that part wasnt technical but still informative
2016-01-07T21:16:45 < Sync> idk, if you have even remotely worked with car companies or the like that is old news
2016-01-07T21:17:05 < englishman> yeah id agree
2016-01-07T21:17:14 < englishman> still cool to just listen to a smart insider talk
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2016-01-07T21:20:33 < Rob235_> bahh just wasted 2 hours researching/ordering vaping stuff.  too much other shit to do!
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2016-01-07T21:56:33 < Ecco> you should just quit smoking altogether
2016-01-07T21:58:26 < Rob235_> not ready yet
2016-01-07T21:58:50 < Rob235_> I enjoy it anyway. A million times better than smoking at least
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2016-01-07T21:59:08 < Rob235_> better = safer
2016-01-07T22:01:59 < Rob235_> and I like the hobby aspect of it.  building coils, mixing juice, buying new parts
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2016-01-07T22:13:02 < XTL> I'm slightly curious if interesting parts come out of that as a side effect
2016-01-07T22:13:38 < XTL> That and some sensitivity I have to something in common cigarettes but no other tobacco. Would be nice if that went away.
2016-01-07T22:14:32 < Rob235_> what do you mean if interesting parts come out of that
2016-01-07T22:15:04 < XTL> Li batteries, for example, might be more commonly available
2016-01-07T22:15:44 < zyp> yeah, I heard tesla's gigafactory is mainly being built to supply the vaping market
2016-01-07T22:15:52 < englishman> lol
2016-01-07T22:16:06 < englishman> there are some great 18650s available in low quantity thanks to vaping and flashlight nerds
2016-01-07T22:16:54 < XTL> I don't know if there's much else. Somewhere there was mention of disposable ones that still had lithium cells inside.
2016-01-07T22:17:10 < Rob235_> just ordered some samsung 18650 batteries 20A which should be fine
2016-01-07T22:17:48 < Rob235_> I think the ones I have now are LG 20A but not sure, I should probably find out
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2016-01-07T23:04:46 < Laurenceb_> wonder if energy density has increased at all recently
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2016-01-07T23:29:43 < kakimir> can windows fuk your lunix fs in external drive without asking first?
2016-01-07T23:31:19 < Steffanx> It can do that for sure.
2016-01-07T23:31:22 < Steffanx> windows can do anything
2016-01-07T23:31:47 < kakimir> how about propability of such thing?
2016-01-07T23:32:19 < kakimir> I think it's never happend to me but more like lunix fuk your filesystems once a while
2016-01-07T23:32:33 < Steffanx> I think its unlikely to happen.
2016-01-07T23:34:03 < upgrdman_> usually you'll get a warning before it will do anything destructive. like if it cant read the filesystem, it might say "do you want to format this?" and let's just hope you dont press spacebar by accident
2016-01-07T23:36:06 < kakimir> it has not happened just once when lunix fuks fs
2016-01-07T23:37:15 < qyx> wat
2016-01-07T23:38:34 < upgrdman_> it's like beakimir is typing with his mouth full, and writing out how he would sound
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2016-01-08T00:13:57 < kakimir> more like hands full
2016-01-08T00:14:25 < Laurenceb_> speak for yourself mr fappy
2016-01-08T00:21:39 < kakimir> how is your night Laurance?
2016-01-08T00:21:54 < kakimir> what you doing?
2016-01-08T00:22:06 < Steffanx> he is getting his daily dose.
2016-01-08T00:22:10 < Steffanx> of fapping
2016-01-08T00:23:27 < Steffanx> How i know? No links from him for quite a while now.
2016-01-08T00:23:53 < Steffanx> so probably marathoning.
2016-01-08T00:24:19 < kakimir> :D
2016-01-08T00:24:59 < kakimir> that's sharp remark there
2016-01-08T00:25:25 < kakimir> when you get next emdrive news he is back to business
2016-01-08T00:34:10 < Steffanx> Is it also -30c there kakimir?
2016-01-08T00:35:06 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-08T00:35:53 < kakimir> cozy
2016-01-08T00:36:14 < Steffanx> You guys all live in the same region or is the entire finnish land that cold?
2016-01-08T00:36:27 < kakimir> major differences
2016-01-08T00:36:41 < kakimir> coast - inland, south - north
2016-01-08T00:36:59 < kakimir> inland and north is the combination
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2016-01-08T01:08:25 < kakimir> diskinternals linux reader is the winner
2016-01-08T01:08:46 < kakimir> only windows thing that could handle lvm2 and ext4 both without any trouble
2016-01-08T01:30:52 < Laurenceb_> http://www.tranquilityaerospace.com/TranqWeb/Projects.html
2016-01-08T01:31:00 < Laurenceb_> some high tech kit there
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2016-01-08T01:33:30 < upgrdman_> anyone know of something like this, but with a 4ch oscope part?
2016-01-08T01:33:31 < upgrdman_> http://www.ni.com/virtualbench/
2016-01-08T01:33:53 < upgrdman_> bbl. if anyone knows, reply anyway. my other account will log it
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2016-01-08T01:38:24 < englishman> lol Rob235_
2016-01-08T01:38:38 < englishman> asking cleanflighters about quaternions is like asking a panda for directions to sweden
2016-01-08T01:38:50 < Rob235_> yea I realized that haha
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2016-01-08T01:59:24 < Rob235_> Think I found some code I can learn from.  Looks complicated but doable, just have to read through it a couple times
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2016-01-08T02:18:46 < upgrdman> fucking lol'd  https://twitter.com/JohnLegere/status/685201130427531264/video/1
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2016-01-08T03:10:58 < ds2> #@!@#@!#!@ I hate inductors
2016-01-08T03:11:31 < upgrdman> y
2016-01-08T03:12:59 < ds2> lack of standard packages
2016-01-08T03:13:05 < ds2> makes it a pain to layout boards
2016-01-08T03:18:11 < kakimir> have you ever started projects that made you cry?
2016-01-08T03:28:40 < dongs> err
2016-01-08T03:28:45 < dongs> ds2: stop picking lame parts then
2016-01-08T03:28:50 < dongs> there are tons of standard packages
2016-01-08T03:29:15 < dongs> thats why they're usually named type width length height value
2016-01-08T03:29:24 < dongs> i.e. NR6040xx
2016-01-08T03:29:30 < dongs> err, width = usually square so just one number
2016-01-08T03:29:32 < dongs> no length
2016-01-08T03:29:40 < dongs> so you know that one will be 6mmx4mm high
2016-01-08T03:43:00 < kakimir> how to send ctrl-alt-f1 to virtual machine guest?
2016-01-08T03:43:17 < kakimir> I fukked my guest os and desktop failed
2016-01-08T03:43:44 < kakimir> google tells
2016-01-08T03:45:53 < kakimir> host key + f1
2016-01-08T03:46:05 < kakimir> doesn't work..
2016-01-08T03:47:30 < kakimir> I fukked it so hard it doesn't respond to keyboard anymore
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2016-01-08T03:56:29 < ds2> dongs: they have their own concepts of "standard"
2016-01-08T03:56:54 < ds2> of all the inductors i have used, I have never been able to reuse the pad layout unless I want to do creative soldering
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2016-01-08T03:57:04 < ds2> in contrast to R and C's....
2016-01-08T03:58:58 < dongs> i duno dude.
2016-01-08T03:59:00 < dongs> i had no problems.
2016-01-08T03:59:06 < dongs> i have my favorite china inductor vendor
2016-01-08T03:59:12 < dongs> and their footprints are cloens of TDK/wahtever stuff
2016-01-08T03:59:16 < dongs> all teh shit fits perfectly
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2016-01-08T03:59:32 < dongs> its weird crap like WURTH or omse other europ[eran garbage that uses dumb footprints
2016-01-08T04:02:15 < dongs> Did you know? Wurth means "Worst" in German.
2016-01-08T04:04:42 < Sync> negative
2016-01-08T04:07:09 < dongs> cern loves them tho
2016-01-08T04:07:17 < dongs> their altium lib is full of dumb wuth footprints
2016-01-08T04:09:30 < englishman> i can confirm wurth is terrible, just dealing with their tools, fluids and hardware divisions
2016-01-08T04:09:58 < englishman> except their smoogee for sealing case halves, its awesome
2016-01-08T04:10:42 < BrainDamage> i think what we're glossing over here is that dongs actually does check out sauceaids software
2016-01-08T04:11:06 < englishman> are you kidding, all of his dev is in kicad with stolen kicad libs
2016-01-08T04:11:11 < dongs> haha
2016-01-08T04:11:33 < dongs> kikecad libs arent even worth stealing
2016-01-08T04:11:42 < dongs> its like newbtown of library making
2016-01-08T04:11:47 < dongs> like aidsfruit eagle lib
2016-01-08T04:11:52 < dongs> or sparkfun or wahtver
2016-01-08T04:13:33 < Sync> I have not had a bad experience with them englishman
2016-01-08T04:13:37 < kakimir> kikecad libs are cancer
2016-01-08T04:13:43 < Sync> although they are not amaze for the price they cost
2016-01-08T04:13:58 < englishman> for the cost, definitely not
2016-01-08T04:13:59 < ds2> that's fine if you know what you want to use
2016-01-08T04:14:11 < kakimir> but I still use em
2016-01-08T04:14:14 < ds2> i am trying to do a layout to let me try various components
2016-01-08T04:14:15 < englishman> and fastenal had way better service and selection
2016-01-08T04:14:54 < Sync> no fastenal here
2016-01-08T04:15:03 < Sync> although there are worse
2016-01-08T04:17:25 < Laurenceb_> TDK or Murata inductors work nicely
2016-01-08T04:17:29 < Laurenceb_> if you can afford them
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2016-01-08T04:23:18 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/v7DDjZb
2016-01-08T04:23:31 < kakimir> how do you know if footprint is good?
2016-01-08T04:23:48 < kakimir> can you see it
2016-01-08T04:24:02 < kakimir> or is it thru empirical testing?
2016-01-08T04:24:10 < BrainDamage> if it aligns to grid, matches physical sizes, has correct pins, then it's not kikecad's
2016-01-08T04:37:12 < kakimir> whatever works
2016-01-08T04:37:22 < kakimir> there should be management for shiet
2016-01-08T04:37:32 < kakimir> and reporisitories
2016-01-08T04:37:35 < kakimir> ratings
2016-01-08T04:38:45 < kakimir> not this "I have my precious footprints all to myself I draw these for 5years"
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2016-01-08T05:05:37 < upgrdman> ideal use case for a laser cutter:   http://i.imgur.com/ww23qXs.gifv
2016-01-08T05:07:13 < emeb_mac> probably kinda hard on the plate
2016-01-08T05:07:46 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/uILxztk.jpg
2016-01-08T05:07:53 < ReadError> i used my laser like...once
2016-01-08T05:07:55 < ReadError> for that
2016-01-08T05:08:04 < kakimir> because files are gay and propiertary shiet that is old and for eagle and you need converter in import tool and export tool
2016-01-08T05:08:12 < upgrdman> ReadError, seems like you got your moneys worth
2016-01-08T05:08:41 < kakimir> just to have little string of shape markup below land pattern for copypaste
2016-01-08T05:08:49 < kakimir> sounds so much better
2016-01-08T05:09:10 < ReadError> ya i need to replace the chinese AIDS controller it comes with
2016-01-08T05:09:29 < upgrdman> ReadError, what cutter do you have
2016-01-08T05:09:32 < upgrdman> link plz
2016-01-08T05:09:35 < ReadError> K40
2016-01-08T05:09:44 < ReadError> blue/white generic china thing
2016-01-08T05:09:46 < ReadError> 40@
2016-01-08T05:09:48 < ReadError> 40W
2016-01-08T05:09:52 < upgrdman> price?
2016-01-08T05:10:00 < ReadError> sub 400 when I got mine
2016-01-08T05:10:08 < ReadError> 3something iirc
2016-01-08T05:10:45 < upgrdman> ya i was tempted to the the FSLaser 24"ish thing
2016-01-08T05:10:46 < ReadError> but the software it comes with is so bad, requires some usb hardware dongle to run the pirated apps
2016-01-08T05:10:54 < upgrdman> but then i was like... do i even need a laser cutter
2016-01-08T05:11:09 < ReadError> i have a bootleg smoothie to put in it
2016-01-08T05:22:59 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/NcwMy0i.gifv
2016-01-08T05:30:58 < upgrdman> what a stupid way to do dual monitors  http://imgur.com/a/iic8S
2016-01-08T05:32:22 < dongs> hmm fuck
2016-01-08T05:32:35 < dongs> win10 removed the photo viewer thing (at least wihtout rage-adding it)
2016-01-08T05:32:40 < dongs> and with it, gone the photo printer wizard
2016-01-08T05:32:48 < dongs> that was actually helpful for printing copies of scanned DHL labels
2016-01-08T05:33:01 < dongs> cuz i could print 2 of them on A4 sheet
2016-01-08T05:33:03 < dongs> fucking microsoft.
2016-01-08T05:49:48 < englishman> Sync: this was pretty funny, car related https://youtu.be/MAcHkASmXEc
2016-01-08T05:50:18 < englishman> lold irl at collision testing
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2016-01-08T06:03:50 < dongs> 50 minutes?
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2016-01-08T06:43:59 < upgrdman> dongs, car chash part here    https://youtu.be/MAcHkASmXEc?t=2704
2016-01-08T06:44:20 < upgrdman> i also lol'd irl
2016-01-08T06:46:19 < upgrdman> also  https://youtu.be/MAcHkASmXEc?t=2856
2016-01-08T07:07:32 < upgrdman> started fucking with octave earlier today. not as bad as i expected
2016-01-08T07:08:05 < upgrdman> lol no. we dont use matlab at work
2016-01-08T07:08:36 < upgrdman> most i use is a $20 ti non-graphic calc
2016-01-08T07:08:57 < upgrdman> i really just wanted octave or faglab so i can toy with dsp ideas
2016-01-08T07:09:27 < upgrdman> R2COM, i dont need to do much math at work. mostly writing firmware and software. biggest math is like a DFT
2016-01-08T07:09:43 < upgrdman> R2COM, by ideas i mean shit im learning for fun and want to sim
2016-01-08T07:09:50 < upgrdman> i dont mean novel inventions
2016-01-08T07:10:28 < upgrdman> ?
2016-01-08T07:10:44 < upgrdman> ?
2016-01-08T07:10:52 < englishman> divide by zero
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2016-01-08T07:13:51 < upgrdman> but the number of fucks i give is finite
2016-01-08T07:16:25 < upgrdman> when the fuck are 1TB uSD cards going to reach the market
2016-01-08T07:17:08 < upgrdman> 1TB wouldnt be big enough for that collection
2016-01-08T07:17:23 < Rob235_> reading data sheets is so much fun....
2016-01-08T07:17:40 < upgrdman> its even more fun when they arent in english
2016-01-08T07:17:51 < upgrdman> or when theyre like google translanted to engrish
2016-01-08T07:18:11 < Rob235_> that sounds terrible
2016-01-08T07:18:48 < Rob235_> 35 pages down, 70 to go
2016-01-08T07:18:48 < upgrdman> actually i kinda am
2016-01-08T07:18:58 < upgrdman> but focusing on speaking for reading
2016-01-08T07:19:26 < upgrdman> ya man. being in shanghai is "fun" when you only speak english
2016-01-08T07:19:49 < upgrdman> s/for/before
2016-01-08T07:20:15 < upgrdman> R2COM, you dont a wee bit of octave right?
2016-01-08T07:20:19 < upgrdman> done*
2016-01-08T07:20:29 < upgrdman> :/
2016-01-08T07:20:52 < upgrdman> ok in dicklab then, "clear" will reset shit, but how do you like clear screen. like erase scrollback shitz
2016-01-08T07:21:15 < upgrdman> fuck yes! thanks bro
2016-01-08T07:22:16 < upgrdman> oh. looks like "home" does the trick too. sweet.
2016-01-08T07:22:22 < dongs> https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/685129417933336576/photo/1
2016-01-08T07:27:37 < upgrdman> heh. octave uses the Qt gui lib
2016-01-08T07:27:44 < upgrdman> cool, it's dpi aware too.
2016-01-08T07:27:51 < upgrdman> well mostly
2016-01-08T07:30:16 < upgrdman> R2COM, be sure to enable sound:  https://twitter.com/JohnLegere/status/685201130427531264/video/1
2016-01-08T07:31:22 < upgrdman> t-mobile CEO
2016-01-08T07:31:29 < upgrdman> yes
2016-01-08T07:31:47 < upgrdman> google him if you want
2016-01-08T07:32:14 < upgrdman> yes
2016-01-08T07:32:17 < upgrdman> he posted it
2016-01-08T07:32:19 < upgrdman> on titter
2016-01-08T07:32:23 < upgrdman> intentionally
2016-01-08T07:32:37 < upgrdman> he responded to an EFF tweet
2016-01-08T07:32:43 < upgrdman> and he loves free press
2016-01-08T07:33:20 < upgrdman> no
2016-01-08T07:33:23 < upgrdman> that's his style
2016-01-08T07:33:34 < upgrdman> he's known as a emo fag
2016-01-08T07:33:40 < dongs> "hosting a Q&A on twatteR"
2016-01-08T07:33:47 < dongs> stopped reading there
2016-01-08T07:33:50 < upgrdman> he's interrupted competitor presentations at CES or someshit before
2016-01-08T07:34:06 < upgrdman> ya i know
2016-01-08T07:34:10 < upgrdman> but its his thing
2016-01-08T07:34:14 < upgrdman> like well known
2016-01-08T07:34:17 < upgrdman> drama queer
2016-01-08T07:34:31 < upgrdman> dunno
2016-01-08T07:34:49 < upgrdman> how do i get a 1xn matrix of random numbers in faglab
2016-01-08T07:35:00 < upgrdman> like linspace() populated with randoms
2016-01-08T07:36:33 < upgrdman> thx
2016-01-08T07:36:46 < upgrdman> dunno. but the one i heard about was like 1 or 2 years ago
2016-01-08T07:36:53 < upgrdman> he trolled a verizon exec or something
2016-01-08T07:47:38 < upgrdman> does that "girl" have a penis?
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2016-01-08T07:50:53 < upgrdman> lol. in cali this is never a problem i have to face  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0CU_uuFLvc&feature=youtu.be
2016-01-08T07:51:11 < upgrdman> poor .nl
2016-01-08T07:51:25 < upgrdman> freeze their tits off
2016-01-08T07:51:50 < ds2> #$%@$$$$@#% pesky impedences
2016-01-08T07:57:54 < upgrdman> inject a bottle on nyquil into your anus
2016-01-08T07:58:32 < upgrdman> it's the cool thing kidz do these days
2016-01-08T07:58:39 < upgrdman> get real fucked up. maybe even die
2016-01-08T08:01:17 < ReadError> R2COM edges death all the time
2016-01-08T08:01:22 < ReadError> edging is hip
2016-01-08T08:01:38 < upgrdman> dongs, are there any rc planes that can like fly in a bedroom? like super slow but still RC
2016-01-08T08:01:58 < ReadError> upgrdman theres some super tiny ones
2016-01-08T08:02:34 < ReadError> http://www.microflight.com/Online-Catalog/Ready-to-Fly-Airplanes/Carbon-Butterfly-Livingroom-Flyer
2016-01-08T08:02:37 < upgrdman> R2COM, i really want to fly again, but i like flying alone. and in so cali... that means in my home. theres fucking no undeveloped land within like 50 miles of me
2016-01-08T08:02:37 < ReadError> shits like that
2016-01-08T08:03:33 < ReadError> one guy took apart a litium battery in some liquid
2016-01-08T08:03:37 < upgrdman> and but then i have to live in nm
2016-01-08T08:03:40 < ReadError> and cut out a tiny chunk
2016-01-08T08:03:45 < ReadError> rebuilt it into a battery
2016-01-08T08:04:02 < upgrdman> so cal is nice. just overpopulated.
2016-01-08T08:04:28 < ds2> upgrdman: where in so cali are you?
2016-01-08T08:04:29 < upgrdman> ReadError, hmm. neat. weird looking tx tho. looks like some ghetto homemade one :)
2016-01-08T08:04:36 < upgrdman> ds2, long beach area
2016-01-08T08:04:40 < ds2> oh
2016-01-08T08:04:42 < ReadError> upgrdman yea its some IR shit
2016-01-08T08:04:52 < ds2> there is the desert toward barstow
2016-01-08T08:04:59 < upgrdman> ya
2016-01-08T08:05:11 < upgrdman> i used to fly over in chino. lots of open area over there too
2016-01-08T08:05:22 < dongs> get the new parrot FPV wing
2016-01-08T08:05:25 < upgrdman> but now that i live in LB thats way too fucking long of a drive
2016-01-08T08:05:47 < ds2> isn't LB all controlled air space?
2016-01-08T08:05:59 < upgrdman> legally? prolly
2016-01-08T08:06:33 < ds2> what about the mountains up in ventura toward SB
2016-01-08T08:06:41 < upgrdman> dongs, where is it?  https://us.store.parrot.com/en/
2016-01-08T08:06:44 < ds2> or the San garbriel mts/angeles NF
2016-01-08T08:06:52 < upgrdman> long fucking drive
2016-01-08T08:07:09 < ds2> it isn't that far from LB
2016-01-08T08:07:14 < dongs> upgrdman: http://blog.parrot.com/2016/01/04/ces-2016-new-drone-parrot-disco-prototype/
2016-01-08T08:07:17 < dongs> oh maybe not on sale yet
2016-01-08T08:07:18 < dongs> CES spam
2016-01-08T08:07:26 < upgrdman> R2COM, i wouldnt say never, but i do like so cal in general. especially orange county
2016-01-08T08:09:13 < ReadError> upgrdman just do a quad
2016-01-08T08:09:22 < ReadError> VTOL, good for confined space
2016-01-08T08:09:30 < upgrdman> i do
2016-01-08T08:09:32 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/quadcopter.jpg
2016-01-08T08:09:50 < ReadError> need something that can ripballs/shredsack
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2016-01-08T08:12:46 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-D4CwP8M/0/X3/CA_10291512012164-X3.jpg show them you mean business
2016-01-08T08:13:53 < upgrdman> ya i said indoor, dammit
2016-01-08T08:14:01 < upgrdman> im not flying that into my 4k tv
2016-01-08T08:15:44 < PeterM> ReadError, mad props
2016-01-08T08:15:56 < ReadError> smurf nozzle technology
2016-01-08T08:15:59 < ReadError> no blade needed
2016-01-08T08:16:46 < dongs> cloner stack detected
2016-01-08T08:17:22 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-BmpCDhH/0/X3/CA_11071511240022-X3.jpg
2016-01-08T08:17:28 < ReadError> check out my awesome pdb
2016-01-08T08:17:43 < ReadError> sprung for the gold, $15, im worth it
2016-01-08T08:17:50 < ReadError> not for sale
2016-01-08T08:17:51 < PeterM> is dat sum, 1117
2016-01-08T08:18:04 < dongs> two of htem
2016-01-08T08:18:18 < ReadError> eh i had space so i put
2016-01-08T08:18:26 < ReadError> i dont use them though
2016-01-08T08:18:53 < ReadError> have 22uF before/after so it should be usable for some shit
2016-01-08T08:19:54 < dongs> readstoner are you a vapist
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2016-01-08T08:34:09 < ReadError> dongs sure
2016-01-08T08:45:17 < ReadError> are you trying to stone via vape?
2016-01-08T08:51:26 < bilboquet_> Can i have your opinion about this LDO for a STM32F4 powered by a 3.7 li-ion  ? http://www.micrel.com/_PDF/MIC5396_2PG.pdf
2016-01-08T08:51:40 < bilboquet_> I doubt it because I find it very small
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2016-01-08T08:55:16 < jpa-> bilboquet_: well, depends of course how large current draw you take; but at maximum speed STM32F4 is somewhere around 100-200mA
2016-01-08T08:55:37 < bilboquet_> i need low power and 2.8V because i'm very limited with Ah
2016-01-08T08:56:07 < bilboquet_> 900 mAH and 24 WS2812
2016-01-08T08:56:38 < jpa-> (3.7-3.3)V * 0.2A = 0.1 W, with the specified thermal resistance there that's a temperature rise of 17 C, so seems quite fine (the pcb ambient heat will rise a bit also, but 0.1W can be dissipated quite easily)
2016-01-08T08:57:00 < ds2> spice sure beats all the algebra
2016-01-08T08:58:13 < bilboquet_> that is why a spice used
2016-01-08T08:59:23 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: so microhelis are out of the question too?
2016-01-08T08:59:45 < PaulFertser> They fly indoors...
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2016-01-08T09:01:04 < upgrdman> not out of the q
2016-01-08T09:01:31 < upgrdman> i just like variety. but got a microheli reccomendation?
2016-01-08T09:01:49 < dongs> bilboquet_: opinion = use a buckboost
2016-01-08T09:02:01 < dongs> i.e. TPS63001 or similar.
2016-01-08T09:02:56 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: seems the current fad is XK120, mad powerful as it's 2s, many parts available, sturdy enough.
2016-01-08T09:03:36 < bilboquet_> thanks, i read about your advise at the same time
2016-01-08T09:04:10 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, this thing? http://www.banggood.com/XK-K120-Shuttle-6CH-Brushless-3D6G-System-RC-Helicopter-RTF-p-974730.html
2016-01-08T09:04:24 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: yep
2016-01-08T09:05:09 < upgrdman> little cp heli. cant imagine that rotor head takes many crashes
2016-01-08T09:05:51 < PaulFertser> Well, if you bend the shaft you install a new one and fly again.
2016-01-08T09:06:16 < upgrdman> also the video makes it look like too much for a bedroom :)
2016-01-08T09:06:26 < upgrdman> i want a shit i can fuck with in my living room
2016-01-08T09:06:39 < upgrdman> my micro quad is fun, want another toy now
2016-01-08T09:08:02 < PaulFertser> I guess an experienced pilot can fly it in a bedroom. I'll try to find an indoor video of wltoys v977 flying.
2016-01-08T09:08:23 < upgrdman> well you can.
2016-01-08T09:08:33 < upgrdman> people have hovered 50-size nitro heli indoors too :)
2016-01-08T09:08:52 < upgrdman> but for fun... something smaller and more durable would be nice
2016-01-08T09:09:01 < ReadError> micro helis have a decent amount of blade mass
2016-01-08T09:09:07 < ReadError> CP ones anyways
2016-01-08T09:09:12 < ReadError> enough to fuck up a tv atleast
2016-01-08T09:09:22 < dongs> ADP2503 does look nice
2016-01-08T09:09:25 < dongs> maybe ill use it on something new i clone
2016-01-08T09:09:27 < upgrdman> PaulFertser, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE9hwXKMymo
2016-01-08T09:09:44 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: https://youtu.be/P8jW2H-ikeI
2016-01-08T09:09:46 < dongs> can I use it with chip inductor?
2016-01-08T09:10:03 < PaulFertser> ReadError: luckily, I do not have a tv
2016-01-08T09:10:24 < Rob235_> if a sensor board has a default startup mode and settings that you don't want to change, do you set them anyway to make sure it's what you want or just let it do its thing?
2016-01-08T09:10:42 < ReadError> I had a raptor30 when I was like...
2016-01-08T09:10:45 < ReadError> 13 or 14
2016-01-08T09:10:55 < ReadError> then converted it to a 50
2016-01-08T09:10:58 < ReadError> was fun
2016-01-08T09:11:03 < upgrdman> i had two raptor 50's and a hirobo shuttle sceadu 30
2016-01-08T09:11:14 < ReadError> sceadu was neat
2016-01-08T09:11:28 < upgrdman> ya. such quality. very wow.
2016-01-08T09:11:52 < ReadError> helis are sooo cheap now
2016-01-08T09:12:02 < ReadError> compared to the prices 15 years ago
2016-01-08T09:13:13 < Rob235_> like if a board starts in normal mode and not low power mode, would you set it to normal mode to be safe or is that not necessary
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2016-01-08T09:17:25 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: v977 is pretty durable but you'll have to solder an additional module to devo transmitter. I've read that XK K110 is very similar and many parts are interchangeable but it's futaba S-FHSS so less problematic. XK K120 is a bit bigger and 2s and more furious; HiSKY HCP100S too.
2016-01-08T09:17:40 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-08T09:17:44 < bilboquet_> ok you think this is better http://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/ADP2503_2504.pdf
2016-01-08T09:18:22 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: if I could fly like in that indoor v977 video I'd consider helis to be fun.
2016-01-08T09:18:47 < ReadError> upgrdman blade might be a good option too
2016-01-08T09:18:51 < upgrdman> i used to be able to fly like that outdoors
2016-01-08T09:18:54 < ReadError> since most all LHS sell parts
2016-01-08T09:19:20 < PaulFertser> ReadError: nano cpx or mcpx?
2016-01-08T09:19:20 < ReadError> and they got some pretty tiny shit now
2016-01-08T09:19:22 < upgrdman> but like ~all cp helis, it requires 100% concentration. which can be nice (frees your mind) but also taxing
2016-01-08T09:19:33 < ReadError> mcpx might be a bit much for indoor
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2016-01-08T09:19:40 < ReadError> depends on skill, pretty quick
2016-01-08T09:20:43 < PaulFertser> upgrdman: that v977 has some "6g" mode where it uses accels to behave like it got a 45 degree flybar, about the same as a quad. But I've never tried it so can't say anything good or bad.
2016-01-08T09:21:17 < upgrdman> k
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2016-01-08T09:26:26 < bilboquet_> i just verify this point from http://blog.zakkemble.co.uk/diy-digital-wristwatch/ :
2016-01-08T09:26:35 < bilboquet_> The 2.5V regulator being used is a Torex XC6206, primarily chosen for its tiny quiescent current of just 1uA.
2016-01-08T09:26:36 < bilboquet_> Why a linear regulator and not a switching regulator? The switching regulators I looked at had an efficiency of at least 80% with a 2mA load, but that efficiency quickly dropped off to less than 50% with loads of 100uA. Since the devices connected to the regulator draw 2-3uA in sleep mode, a switching regulator would have performed incredibly poor compared to a linear regulator. The 2.5V linear regulator efficiency is 60% with 4.2
2016-01-08T09:26:36 < bilboquet_> V input going up to 83% with 3V input.
2016-01-08T09:29:13 < dongs> Device Quiescent Current less than 50 μA
2016-01-08T09:29:21 < dongs> Up to 96% Efficiency
2016-01-08T09:29:24 < dongs> ^ TPS63001
2016-01-08T09:30:34 < dongs> On the hardware side the watch contains an Atmel ATmega328P microcontroller, 2.5V regulator, Maxim DS3231M RTC
2016-01-08T09:30:37 < dongs> from that blog
2016-01-08T09:30:39 < dongs> hahahahaha
2016-01-08T09:32:00 < bilboquet_> :) I stole his load sharing circuit
2016-01-08T09:33:06 < bilboquet_> your mind is faster than mine. you think TPS63001 is better in sleep mode ?
2016-01-08T09:34:33 < dongs> er wow
2016-01-08T09:34:36 < dongs> this guyt is talking about saving uA
2016-01-08T09:34:46 < dongs> and then goes ahead and uses 7.5/2k resistors for vbat sense
2016-01-08T09:34:50 < dongs> does he even ohms law
2016-01-08T09:35:53 < bilboquet_> thanks for you advise. but he is better than me :)
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2016-01-08T09:45:21 < dongs> STM32P103C8MBCTR wtf is thsi
2016-01-08T09:46:52 < bilboquet_> :)
2016-01-08T09:49:35 < Steffanx> STM32J is Java, so p must be.. PYTHON
2016-01-08T09:50:34 < dongs> lulz i have that lipo
2016-01-08T09:50:36 < dongs> from that blog watch
2016-01-08T09:50:58 < Steffanx> Its even ebayable a stm32p :S
2016-01-08T09:53:10 < qyx> p103t8abc?
2016-01-08T09:53:11 < qyx> huh
2016-01-08T09:54:49 < Steffanx> Its even on the package so no "i fail to read an F properly so i made it a P"
2016-01-08T09:55:06 < dongs> really?
2016-01-08T09:55:14 < dongs> does stm32p say F on the pic? haha
2016-01-08T09:55:15 < qyx> 100pcs of f030f4p6 for $65
2016-01-08T09:55:46 < qyx> I was expecting it to be even cheaper
2016-01-08T09:56:00 < Steffanx> No it says P on the picture dongs
2016-01-08T09:57:45 < dongs> url?
2016-01-08T09:58:18 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/new/Intel/arduino101/?cm_sp=homepage-_-newproducts-_-
2016-01-08T09:58:22 < ReadError> erm wtf
2016-01-08T09:58:23 < dongs> no.
2016-01-08T09:58:28 < Steffanx> m.ebay.com/itm/ST-STM32P103T8ABC-STM32P-Microcontroller-ARM-Cortex-M-Semiconductor-IC-Chip-/331682234243
2016-01-08T09:58:47 < dongs> wow
2016-01-08T09:58:50 < dongs> pro chips
2016-01-08T09:58:58 < dongs> 2013 date code hmm
2016-01-08T09:59:10 < dongs> some custom trash maybe
2016-01-08T09:59:55 < Steffanx> Whats "mys"?
2016-01-08T10:00:06 < dongs> malaysia
2016-01-08T10:00:08 < dongs> factory code
2016-01-08T10:00:15 < dongs> there's CHN/MYS/PHL
2016-01-08T10:00:45 < qyx> mhm, someone was lokking for triaxial cables
2016-01-08T10:00:48 < qyx> was it Laurenceb?
2016-01-08T10:00:53 < qyx> for active shielding
2016-01-08T10:11:14 < dongs> imagine if STM32P is some pointy haired boss misreading F at some point
2016-01-08T10:11:23 < dongs> and like WE MUST ORDER STM32P
2016-01-08T10:11:31 < dongs> so ST goes and custom marks a shitlaod of chips
2016-01-08T10:14:27 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZr7GlR14iU
2016-01-08T10:14:30 < dongs> japs proing
2016-01-08T10:15:15 < dongs> how good is this inkjet printing i wonder
2016-01-08T10:15:16 < dongs> on aluminum
2016-01-08T10:15:49 < bilboquet_> thanks very much dongs for buck-boost. Too i can remove my level shifter for strip led.
2016-01-08T10:16:44 < bilboquet_> indeed 50uA = 2054 year with 900mA
2016-01-08T10:19:28 < PaulFertser> Any auto IRC pros here? Can someone explain me why VW did the cheating? Is it really just to use less "AdBlue" during the normal driving? Or was there something else?
2016-01-08T10:19:31 < bilboquet_> and i add a nfet to shut external flash
2016-01-08T10:20:37 < jpa-> PaulFertser: IIRC it was also to get more performance during normal driving
2016-01-08T10:21:18 < PaulFertser> jpa-: well, I watched the CCC video where a guy RE the firmware and it didn't look like it. I had the same impression as you before but not now.
2016-01-08T10:21:51 < PaulFertser> As all the measures they talked about do not affect engine power seemingly.
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2016-01-08T10:28:28 < bloated> PaulFertser: i believe it wasn't just the chemical scrubber, there were changes to ignition timing as well
2016-01-08T10:29:19 < bloated> when you run an engine leaner or at a higher compression ratio, you get better milage and worse NO emissions.
2016-01-08T10:29:49 < bloated> or more horsepower for the same mileage.
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2016-01-08T10:40:51 < PaulFertser> bloated: in theory, I understand. But in practice, nothing like that was discovered so far. Or was it? What was certainly discovered is the AdBlue cheating, but why did they need it at all?
2016-01-08T10:42:15 < bloated> I don't know, but the primary constituent of adblue is urea which is cheap, so they couldn't have been trying to save adblue.
2016-01-08T10:42:39 < jpa-> unless the usage is really high and the tank really small
2016-01-08T10:48:30 < bloated> google says " For light-duty vehicles, DEF refill intervals typically occur around the time of a recommended oil change"
2016-01-08T10:48:47 < bloated> so its a minor expense
2016-01-08T10:51:14 < PaulFertser> And do the other car diesel manufacturers severely underdose ablue too? If not, why the scandal didn't occur earlier?
2016-01-08T10:53:56 < jpa-> could the high adblue dosage cause early wear of some parts of the exhaust system?
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2016-01-08T10:56:27 < PaulFertser> I haven't read anything like that but who knows.
2016-01-08T10:57:23 < PaulFertser> It's so strange there's something so big and important and relatively easy to investigate and yet the press gives surprisingly little technical details.
2016-01-08T10:59:24 < Sync> bloated: they don't want the customers refilling it
2016-01-08T11:00:49 < Sync> PaulFertser: I think nobody binpatched the firmware so it used the right model and ran a performance dyno run
2016-01-08T11:01:03 < Sync> it's also not important because WOT is not part of the emissions spec
2016-01-08T11:02:17 < PaulFertser> Sync: that guy from the video made a run with unpatched firmware though, proving that major NOx emissions increase is certainly due to adblue underdosage.
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2016-01-08T11:06:22 < zyp> PaulFertser, IIRC the cheating also applies to some cars that doesn't have the adblue system in the first place
2016-01-08T11:06:59 < zyp> so it's clearly not solely a matter of conserving adblue
2016-01-08T11:09:08 < PaulFertser> The presentation made it look like it's absolutely impossible to pass the current EURO-something tests without that system.
2016-01-08T11:12:08 < Sync> that's true PaulFertser
2016-01-08T11:12:21 < Sync> but it does not say, if the power decreases when it doses properly
2016-01-08T11:12:43 < Sync> zyp: storage cats are uncommon because they cannot hold euro5/6 emissions
2016-01-08T11:12:52 < Sync> which VW tried to do with them :D
2016-01-08T11:13:15 < zyp> idk
2016-01-08T11:13:30 < zyp> I've never cared much for diesel cars, so I don't know much about that shit
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2016-01-08T11:16:04 < Sync> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOx_adsorber zyp
2016-01-08T11:16:16 < gordonjcp> well, diesel doesn't really have "rich" or "lean"
2016-01-08T11:16:23 < gordonjcp> there's no throttle
2016-01-08T11:16:37 < Sync> they sure have rich or lean
2016-01-08T11:16:40 < gordonjcp> but yeah, you can fuel excessively for a given engine speed
2016-01-08T11:16:50 < gordonjcp> Sync: not in the sense that petrol engines do
2016-01-08T11:16:55 < Sync> just controlled by injection mass
2016-01-08T11:17:07 < gordonjcp> I mean with petrol you need to hit slightly richer than stochiometric ratio
2016-01-08T11:17:19 < gordonjcp> otherwise it just plain won't work
2016-01-08T11:17:19 < Sync> well, DI petrol engines also have no throttle
2016-01-08T11:17:22 < gordonjcp> true
2016-01-08T11:17:35 < gordonjcp> well, some don't
2016-01-08T11:17:44 < Sync> all of them have a throttle plate for reasons
2016-01-08T11:17:48 < Sync> but you don't need it
2016-01-08T11:17:50 < gordonjcp> and some have variable valve lift like the fiat twinair
2016-01-08T11:18:26 < Sync> most of them do
2016-01-08T11:18:38 < gordonjcp> actually the diesel engine in my van has a throttle plate
2016-01-08T11:18:41 < Sync> either VVT or selective height
2016-01-08T11:18:54 < gordonjcp> I have no idea what for, I'm guessing something to do with emissions
2016-01-08T11:19:54 < gordonjcp>  I'm kind of not convinced about diesels
2016-01-08T11:20:07 < Sync> they are there to prevent shaking on turnoff and to provide better EGR efficiency at part load
2016-01-08T11:20:16 < gordonjcp> Sync: aha, makes sense
2016-01-08T11:20:50 < gordonjcp> Sync: I wondered if it was something to do with the turbocharger, since it is between the intercooler and inlet manifold
2016-01-08T11:23:07 < Sync> nah, it is purely a convenience and emissions thing
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2016-01-08T11:23:19 < gordonjcp> right
2016-01-08T11:23:25 < Sync> seems pretty dumb to put it in there anyway
2016-01-08T11:23:39 < Sync> because throttle plate losses are the major enemy in modern engines
2016-01-08T11:24:33 < gordonjcp> I could be wrong.  I frequently am.
2016-01-08T11:24:54 < gordonjcp> I opened the bonnet, saw a big turbocharger and a fairly homebrew-looking heatshield and masses of plumbing
2016-01-08T11:25:30 < gordonjcp> decided that anything beyond checking the oil and topping up the windscreen washers could quite safely be delegated to the nice lady at the Citroen garage
2016-01-08T11:25:52 < gordonjcp> ring 'em up, have 'em get me a new van to drive for the day while mine gets serviced
2016-01-08T11:25:55 < gordonjcp> leasing ftw
2016-01-08T11:26:17 < zyp> kinda glad I won't have to worry about that shit anymore when I get my new car
2016-01-08T11:26:39 < gordonjcp> my own car runs on gas
2016-01-08T11:26:58 < zyp> my new car will run on electrons
2016-01-08T11:27:06 < gordonjcp> ten quid's worth of petrol lasts about a month, it only runs on that for about a minute
2016-01-08T11:27:13 < gordonjcp> two minutes, if it's as cold as it is today
2016-01-08T11:27:21 < gordonjcp> zyp: what are you getting?
2016-01-08T11:27:30 < zyp> the e-Golf
2016-01-08T11:27:35 < Sync> haha
2016-01-08T11:27:41 < Sync> the most shitty thing
2016-01-08T11:28:41 < zyp> idk, it seems like the least shitty thing within the affordable range
2016-01-08T11:29:00 < gordonjcp> ye
2016-01-08T11:29:18 < gordonjcp> I'd like to get an electric car but the range isn't there yet
2016-01-08T11:29:36 < zyp> as in driving range?
2016-01-08T11:29:38 < gordonjcp> well, it *is* but it's also 80 grand
2016-01-08T11:29:39 < gordonjcp> ye
2016-01-08T11:29:40 < Sync> well, it is slow and has low range
2016-01-08T11:29:48 < gordonjcp> 118 miles isn't really enough
2016-01-08T11:29:51 < Sync> and VW does not know how to make motors that don't cog
2016-01-08T11:30:05 < zyp> norway has a well established fast charger network
2016-01-08T11:31:52 < gordonjcp> yeah, but that's a pain in the arse
2016-01-08T11:31:53 < zyp> and I don't know about slow, it's plenty fast that I'd lose my license if I get caught, even at the highest speed limits we've got here
2016-01-08T11:32:12 < Sync> 140kmh max
2016-01-08T11:32:24 < Sync> that is about what I usually drive on average
2016-01-08T11:32:44 < zyp> we don't have autobahns in norway :)
2016-01-08T11:34:46 < Sync> and the range is also pretty pathetic
2016-01-08T11:35:11 < Sync> but you will probably notice the shittyness of the motor
2016-01-08T11:35:22 < Sync> the guys did not understand rotor design
2016-01-08T11:36:04 < zyp> haha
2016-01-08T11:36:08 < gordonjcp> I tend not to use the car for journeys of less than about ten miles
2016-01-08T11:36:29 < gordonjcp> unless it's pishing with rain, in which case car > bike
2016-01-08T11:38:13 < PaulFertser> gordonjcp: bicycle or motorbike?
2016-01-08T11:39:09 < Sync> then the power control lab spent a few months developing a drive that hides it
2016-01-08T11:39:48 < zyp> last week, I did a 300km each direction trip in an e-Golf I borrowed from the dealership
2016-01-08T11:39:55 < gordonjcp> PaulFertser: bicycle
2016-01-08T11:40:05 < gordonjcp> PaulFertser: I had a shitty Honda CB250RS
2016-01-08T11:41:07 < Sync> they have a lot of eUp!s at the lab
2016-01-08T11:41:11 < Sync> but they are even worse
2016-01-08T11:42:02 < zyp> the only problem I can foresee about longer trips are lines at the fast chargers when everybody are going somewhere at the same time
2016-01-08T11:42:18 < Sync> yeah
2016-01-08T11:42:35 < PaulFertser> gordonjcp: why did you stop using it?
2016-01-08T11:42:38 < Sync> it would not be that bad if even the fast charge would not take that long
2016-01-08T11:44:09 < gordonjcp> PaulFertser: it fell apart, basically
2016-01-08T11:44:11 < zyp> it's not a huge problem anyway
2016-01-08T11:44:21 < Sync> I have a cbr250rr amongst others
2016-01-08T11:44:38 < zyp> I should be able to do all my daily driving on a single charge
2016-01-08T11:44:40 < gordonjcp> PaulFertser: it needed the top end rebuilt, new gaskets everywhere, a new chainset, some welding around the swingarm pivot (this latter being the death blow)
2016-01-08T11:44:42 < Sync> for me, it is I do not want to wait for my car to fill up that long
2016-01-08T11:44:55 < zyp> so fast charging will only be maybe a weekend here and there
2016-01-08T11:45:02 < zyp> I can live with that
2016-01-08T11:45:26 < zyp> the savings I get from norwegian EV incentives more than justifies it
2016-01-08T11:45:34 < Sync> if it'd be my third car I could probably live with it
2016-01-08T11:45:44 < Sync> but as a daily, never
2016-01-08T11:45:49 < PaulFertser> gordonjcp: oh, that sounds nasty indeed
2016-01-08T11:46:35 < gordonjcp> PaulFertser: it cost me 50 quid
2016-01-08T11:46:44 < gordonjcp> and I got 30 for it when I sold it
2016-01-08T11:47:01 < Sync> heh
2016-01-08T11:47:10 < gordonjcp> which paid for half of the Motad exhaust I fitted
2016-01-08T11:47:18 < zyp> Sync, your daily commute is that long?
2016-01-08T11:47:29 < rewolff> A "dayly"  car is the one you use to get to work. If that's "within EV range", that'd be nice and useable. The problem is with the you want to go elsewhere than your normal in-range drive to work.
2016-01-08T11:47:47 < gordonjcp> my daily commute is in my van
2016-01-08T11:47:51 < Sync> no, but I sometimes need to go a lot further on a short notice
2016-01-08T11:48:00 < rewolff> Vacation, saturday-drive-to-grandma
2016-01-08T11:48:03 < gordonjcp> I could do that with an EV but I use my van to go to job sites hundreds of miles away
2016-01-08T11:48:13 < Sync> and usually I need to go there now
2016-01-08T11:49:30 < zyp> rewolff, I usually do either of those with airplanes, not cars
2016-01-08T11:51:22 < Sync> that sucks if you need to take a lot of stuff with you
2016-01-08T11:53:08 < Sync> for regular around the city jobs an ev would do
2016-01-08T11:53:17 < Sync> but as I said, it would limit my options severely
2016-01-08T11:53:59 < Sync> thinking about it, an ev would probably be the 4th car
2016-01-08T11:54:08 < Sync> need to get a van soon
2016-01-08T11:54:26 < gordonjcp> I need a bigger van really
2016-01-08T11:54:33 < gordonjcp> I had a Merc Vito, then a Citroen Dispatch
2016-01-08T11:54:41 < gordonjcp> currently got a Berlingo but it's not really big enough
2016-01-08T11:54:46 < zyp> idk, the way I see it the EV would be the 1st car, since it would see all the daily use
2016-01-08T11:54:56 < zyp> and then you could have a second car for all the longer trips
2016-01-08T11:55:10 < gordonjcp> zyp: that works if you use it for short trips I guess
2016-01-08T11:55:19 < Sync> I have a low maintainance car for my daily activities and a track car
2016-01-08T11:55:31 < Sync> but I need a van for my motorcycles
2016-01-08T11:55:55 < gordonjcp> I have a van provided by the company I work for, and a car for my own running around
2016-01-08T11:56:00 < gordonjcp> I could use the van but it's slow and noisy
2016-01-08T11:56:10 < gordonjcp> and it's diesel so it's expensive to run
2016-01-08T11:56:52 < zyp> is diesel more expensive than gas over there?
2016-01-08T11:57:52 < zyp> over here, diesel is usually cheaper, and diesel cars tend to be more efficient too
2016-01-08T11:58:02 < zyp> at least the ones I've been driving
2016-01-08T11:59:08 < gordonjcp> zyp: gas is 50p/litre
2016-01-08T11:59:14 < gordonjcp> diesel and petrol are about £1/litre
2016-01-08T11:59:31 < zyp> wait, what do you call gas and what do you call petrol?
2016-01-08T11:59:50 < gordonjcp> gas like your heating runs on, in a big tank
2016-01-08T11:59:52 < gordonjcp> propane
2016-01-08T11:59:58 < zyp> oh, right
2016-01-08T12:00:11 < Sync> diesel cars are taxed heavier here
2016-01-08T12:00:15 < gordonjcp> the Range Rover runs on propane, the van runs on diesel
2016-01-08T12:00:29 < Sync> so there is a optimization problem
2016-01-08T12:00:40 < gordonjcp> so okay, it gets about 19mpg but at less than half the price of diesel :-)
2016-01-08T12:01:03 < zyp> Sync, here too, but that's just fixed fees, running costs are generally cheaper
2016-01-08T12:01:04 < gordonjcp> and its emissions are cleaner than either petrol or diesel
2016-01-08T12:01:20 < gordonjcp> and it's taxed at a lower rate, but only by about £20 per year
2016-01-08T12:01:57 < zyp> we don't have a lot of propane cars here
2016-01-08T12:02:46 < zyp> but we're starting to get a pretty solid amount of EVs due to the incentives
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2016-01-08T12:03:44 < zyp> I believe norway is even the country in europe with the largest number of EVs, despite our relatively low population
2016-01-08T12:05:23 < Sync> yeah, they probably also fit better to your driving patterns
2016-01-08T12:06:07 < gordonjcp> zyp: yeah, the tax breaks are pretty good
2016-01-08T12:10:16 < zyp> a PHEV could also be a good choice, but they don't get the same incentives
2016-01-08T12:13:54 < ReadError> http://www.reuters.com/article/us-atmel-m-a-microchip-tech-idUSKBN0UI1ZL20160104
2016-01-08T12:53:48 < Ecco> Wat? Microchip would buy Atmel?
2016-01-08T12:54:03 < Ecco> I really thought Microchip wasn't doing so well
2016-01-08T12:54:33 < bloated> they've been wanting to buy Atmel for the last 10 years. Atmel isn't up for sale afaik.
2016-01-08T12:57:41 < Ecco> Isn't every company? It's just a matter of price, isn't it?
2016-01-08T12:58:03 < bloated> every publicly traded company is vulnerable to a hostile takeover, yes.
2016-01-08T12:58:28 < bloated> *every publicly traded company where the promoters hold 49% or less of the shares
2016-01-08T12:58:41 < Ecco> indeed
2016-01-08T13:00:49 < qyx> that would mean PICs on Arduino!
2016-01-08T13:03:58 < celeron55> atmel doesn't have anything else to do with arduino other than selling the chips that arduino wants to use though, right?
2016-01-08T13:04:10 < Ecco> not afaik
2016-01-08T13:04:32 < ReadError> microchip is just trying to stay relevant
2016-01-08T13:04:41 < Ecco> I doubt Arduinos are even significant in terms of actual revenues for Atmel
2016-01-08T13:04:49 < Ecco> but they're very important for brand awareness
2016-01-08T13:05:14 < celeron55> arduinos are probably very important for atmel because that's where the future atmel users come from
2016-01-08T13:05:20 < Ecco> exactly
2016-01-08T13:05:34 < celeron55> microchip doesn't really have that
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2016-01-08T13:07:07 < qyx> mhm, there's no "to arduino something up" on the urban dictionary :S
2016-01-08T13:08:41 < PaulFertser> Damn you ST, why is USB periph enabled overrides GPIO even when the GPIO periph is not set to AF?! Is it documented anywhere?
2016-01-08T13:09:31 < zyp> yes, it's documented in the RM
2016-01-08T13:09:48 < zyp> but isn't that just F1?
2016-01-08T13:09:53 < zyp> or was it others too?
2016-01-08T13:11:16 < PaulFertser> F1
2016-01-08T13:11:40 < PaulFertser> Can't find any reference in F1 though.
2016-01-08T13:12:48 < jpa-> on the other hand, on L1 you have to set the gpio to analog, "alternate" does not work for usb
2016-01-08T13:13:29 < PaulFertser> Insanity
2016-01-08T13:17:40 < dongs> PaulFertser: actually not 100% true
2016-01-08T13:19:40 < dongs> ah, yeah my hack still needs to CNTR_PDWN the usb core
2016-01-08T13:19:42 < dongs> kk
2016-01-08T13:21:17 < PaulFertser> dongs: that's what I found trying to make DFU work properly, yes.
2016-01-08T13:21:34 < dongs> PaulFertser: what are you trying to do?
2016-01-08T13:21:40 < dongs> did you forget to put 1.5K pullup on gpio?
2016-01-08T13:22:13 < PaulFertser> dongs: the morons who designed that board did. And I want to use an off-the-shelf board so it's widely available to anyone.
2016-01-08T13:22:20 < dongs> rite
2016-01-08T13:22:25 < dongs> so you have to do same hack
2016-01-08T13:22:35 < dongs> you shutdowen usb core, turn D+ into gpio, and change it
2016-01-08T13:22:38 < dongs> that will cause usb disconnect
2016-01-08T13:22:41 < PaulFertser> Already doing that. But I can't find any reference in the RM.
2016-01-08T13:22:42 < dongs> then you enable core back up
2016-01-08T13:22:43 < dongs> and go
2016-01-08T13:22:45 < dongs> you wont
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2016-01-08T13:31:02 < dongs> does that disconnect work on all GNU/Lunix versions?
2016-01-08T13:31:04 < dongs> via GPIO
2016-01-08T13:32:42 < jpa-> should
2016-01-08T13:33:41 < PaulFertser> dongs: yeah, I can't see how it can't work, f1's push-pull can easily override 1.5k.
2016-01-08T13:34:08 < dongs> sure
2016-01-08T13:34:19 < dongs> but its not "pro"
2016-01-08T13:34:21 < dongs> but yeah.
2016-01-08T13:38:28 < zyp> I know I've read the reference somewhere
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2016-01-08T13:39:22 < zyp> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/CD00171190.pdf <- page 167, table 29
2016-01-08T13:39:48 < dongs> which RM is that
2016-01-08T13:39:52 < dongs> fuck downloading at 50k/sec off st site
2016-01-08T13:40:01 < zyp> RM0008, rev 16
2016-01-08T13:40:30 < dongs> pro as f uck
2016-01-08T13:40:34 < dongs> also i need to get rev16 looks like
2016-01-08T13:40:38 < dongs> my cached version is rev15
2016-01-08T13:40:41 < dongs> and that info on next page
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2016-01-08T13:41:53 < dongs> inactivity
2016-01-08T13:46:24 < ReadError> ermm
2016-01-08T13:46:30 < ReadError> why is this xilinx shit 8gb
2016-01-08T13:46:45 < zyp> only 8gb?
2016-01-08T13:47:07 < dongs> hm
2016-01-08T13:47:07 < ReadError> compressed downloads
2016-01-08T13:47:12 < dongs> im gonna have chinagirl call lotes on monday
2016-01-08T13:47:17 < ReadError> sure its bigger once its installed
2016-01-08T13:47:18 < dongs> i like thier midmount displayport shit
2016-01-08T13:47:19 < zyp> xilinx shit includes 32-bit and 64-bit shit of everything
2016-01-08T13:47:25 < dongs> and 3 copies of java
2016-01-08T13:47:32 < zyp> and 5 copies of gcc
2016-01-08T13:47:39 < dongs> rly
2016-01-08T13:47:45 < dongs> for  the zync crap?
2016-01-08T13:47:53 < PaulFertser> zyp: thank you!
2016-01-08T13:47:56 < zyp> gcc for both zync and microblaze
2016-01-08T13:48:00 < dongs> rar
2016-01-08T13:48:36 < ReadError> Last updated October 2013 "ISE has moved into the sustaining phase of its product life cycle, and there are no more planned ISE releases"
2016-01-08T13:48:46 < dongs> yeah ISE is done
2016-01-08T13:48:54 < dongs> it doesnt evne run on 8 or above
2016-01-08T13:49:06 < dongs> you need vivado... which doesnt support anything below 7 series
2016-01-08T13:49:09 < ReadError> good thing im installing it on ianlunix
2016-01-08T13:49:10 < dongs> so fucking pro
2016-01-08T13:49:20 < jpa-> IIRC altera quartus for linux runs cygwin under wine
2016-01-08T13:49:24 < ReadError> oh thought you meant windows not -7
2016-01-08T13:49:31 < zyp> jpa-, haha, wat
2016-01-08T13:53:16 < dongs> no, altrix or whatever xilinx 7-0sereis and zynq
2016-01-08T13:53:53 < zyp> way to kill spartan series
2016-01-08T13:56:30 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-08T13:57:39 < zyp> tempted to go with altera next time I dick around with fpgas, but I wonder if that's not just opening a different can of worms
2016-01-08T13:58:06 < qyx> wasn't it acquired by intel?
2016-01-08T13:58:15 < dongs> altera will be super pro now
2016-01-08T13:58:27 < dongs> it's gonna be official in like 2017 version of kikelake xeon
2016-01-08T13:58:32 < dongs> its called "Innovation module"
2016-01-08T13:58:32 < dongs> lol
2016-01-08T13:58:36 < dongs> the in-processor fpga
2016-01-08T13:58:37 < zyp> haha
2016-01-08T14:00:03 < dongs> er, "Innovation Engine"
2016-01-08T14:00:04 < dongs> but yeah
2016-01-08T14:00:05 < dongs> still lol
2016-01-08T14:00:40 < qyx> there was some capsense stuff for stm32
2016-01-08T14:00:48 < qyx> some AN describing how is it done in their library
2016-01-08T14:01:26 < qyx> but meh, I am considering FDC1004 instead, seems to be quite usable
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2016-01-08T14:03:54 < dongs> is it expensive?
2016-01-08T14:04:02 < dongs> is that waht shitty china screns use?
2016-01-08T14:04:10 < dongs> or is that like just button capsense
2016-01-08T14:04:30 < qyx> no, this one is capacitance-to-digital converter
2016-01-08T14:04:43 < qyx> can measure water liquid for example
2016-01-08T14:04:50 < qyx> *water level
2016-01-08T14:05:04 < qyx> ~6€ on farnell
2016-01-08T14:07:19 < qyx> http://www.ti.com/ods/images/SNOSCY5B/new_fig01_snoscy5.gif
2016-01-08T14:13:56 < dongs> are you acutally using it f or water level?
2016-01-08T14:14:16 < qyx> i am planning to
2016-01-08T14:14:44 < qyx> actually for ethanol
2016-01-08T14:31:55 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/wiv76jL.png
2016-01-08T14:31:58 < ReadError> god damn
2016-01-08T14:33:25 < zyp> EDK = all the gcc copies
2016-01-08T14:41:35 < dongs> https://static.exoclick.com/6a97888ec52c042c679a36e919843cca/banners/233400/20130911121528728x90_AM_JP_PG_Simple_v3_JG_09112013.jpg attn zyp
2016-01-08T14:41:56 < ReadError> Because of the following filter
2016-01-08T14:41:56 < ReadError> ||exoclick.com^
2016-01-08T14:41:56 < ReadError> Found in: uBlock filters • Peter Lowe’s Ad server list
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2016-01-08T14:47:12 < Getty> lol
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2016-01-08T15:16:39 < Laurenceb_>  The military is set to introduce a new "R" designation — known as a "device" — that can be attached to medals given to drone operators and other non-combat troops, such as cyber warriors
2016-01-08T15:16:52 < Laurenceb_> awesome time to apply then
2016-01-08T15:19:06 < dongs> haa
2016-01-08T15:23:31 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZIv6WtSF9I
2016-01-08T15:23:34 < Laurenceb_> om nom
2016-01-08T15:36:48 < zyp> heh, I put in some rfq or whatever at a store selling that mikrotik switch
2016-01-08T15:36:58 < zyp> guy called me up now about it
2016-01-08T15:44:40 < zyp> store with .no domain, but apparently it's polish, so it still has to pass through same customs bullshit
2016-01-08T15:51:00 < zyp> asked him which shipping method, guy says dhl
2016-01-08T15:51:03 < zyp> fuck that
2016-01-08T15:51:17 < zyp> ems from eurodk is probably going to turn out the cheapest in the end
2016-01-08T15:53:44 < zyp> ok, ordered from eurodk
2016-01-08T16:02:58 < dongs> yay
2016-01-08T16:03:02 < dongs> mine shipped too
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2016-01-08T16:04:14 < zyp> talked to my friend with a fusion splicer, said he could drop by on monday to help me cable shit
2016-01-08T16:04:46 < dongs> cool
2016-01-08T16:04:50 < dongs> but i doubt youre gonna get it by monday
2016-01-08T16:04:53 < dongs> unless you mean just prepare
2016-01-08T16:04:54 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-08T16:05:30 < zyp> I'm putting a fiber through a conduit where there's already a few cat5 cables
2016-01-08T16:05:37 < zyp> did you see the pics the other day?
2016-01-08T16:05:53 < dongs> nope cuz you didnt mention dongs:
2016-01-08T16:05:53 < dongs> nope cuz you didnt mention dongs:in it
2016-01-08T16:05:58 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/f/PMkTs.jpg https://bin.jvnv.net/f/OBK9p.jpg
2016-01-08T16:06:31 < dongs> nice, looking pretty ptro
2016-01-08T16:06:34 < dongs> pro
2016-01-08T16:06:42 < dongs> my fiber is some black jacket stuff
2016-01-08T16:08:07 < zyp> that's just fish tape I've got through so far
2016-01-08T16:08:13 < zyp> I'm just going to grab a normal orange patch cord, cut off one end, pull it through, then have my pal splice it back on
2016-01-08T16:08:20 < dongs> ah
2016-01-08T16:12:52 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/9922jdE.jpg
2016-01-08T16:13:52 < zyp> heh
2016-01-08T16:13:54 < englishman> now we know how dongs emigrated from nigeria
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2016-01-08T16:36:02 < karlp> heh, ft51, 8051 with usb device and _hub_ modes.
2016-01-08T16:40:12 < Laurenceb_> dats wacist
2016-01-08T16:40:28 < __rob2> "struggling academically"
2016-01-08T16:40:36 < __rob2> so smart black people need not apply
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2016-01-08T16:47:26 < Laurenceb_> can a white soutch african who lives in murica and sucks at school apply
2016-01-08T16:47:27 < dongs> karlp: by who
2016-01-08T16:47:30 < Laurenceb_> that is the question
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2016-01-08T16:47:38 < karlp> ftdi
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2016-01-08T16:50:10 < dongs> karlp: wow, that sounds... absolutely useless
2016-01-08T16:50:13 < dongs> fullspeed
2016-01-08T16:50:33 < dongs> now they have a chip that can compete.. with cypress ez-usb fx1
2016-01-08T16:50:36 < dongs> from like 1991
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2016-01-08T16:51:24 < karlp> dongs: don't worry though, they provide it in a pdip module to plug into replace existing legacy 8051 solutions?
2016-01-08T16:51:40 < dongs> http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/ICs/FT90x.html
2016-01-08T16:51:41 < dongs> what the hell
2016-01-08T16:51:46 < dongs> some custom RISC?
2016-01-08T16:51:48 < dongs> waht core is that shit
2016-01-08T16:52:04 < dongs> lol, 'industry standard gcc compiler'
2016-01-08T16:54:36 < zyp> yeah, looks like proprietary bullshit
2016-01-08T16:54:46 < zyp> "FTDI Proprietary 32 bit Core"
2016-01-08T16:55:32 < dongs> they can fuck right off with that stuff
2016-01-08T16:55:41 < zyp> haha
2016-01-08T16:57:02 < karlp> you have to sign up to get the gcc toolchain too ;)
2016-01-08T17:06:43 < Sync> maybe something like moxie
2016-01-08T17:14:06 < dongs> hmm
2016-01-08T17:14:17 < dongs> im not finding any places china or otherwise that do minidp cable assemblies ;(
2016-01-08T17:14:38 < dongs> and even if I do find them, all the captive dongles I've seen just fuckingsolder shit to pcb and blob it with hotglue
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2016-01-08T17:20:13 < dongs> http://www.reuters.com/article/us-atmel-m-a-microchip-tech-idUSKBN0UI1ZL20160104
2016-01-08T17:21:46 < karlp> get wit the program y0
2016-01-08T17:21:56 < karlp> readerrror pasted the same reuters link even a few hours ago,
2016-01-08T17:22:04 < karlp> and it was announced weeks ago
2016-01-08T17:22:08 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1451593762661.jpg
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2016-01-08T17:24:02 < dongs> ho sorry
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2016-01-08T17:27:12 < dongs> hmm another possibility for DP thing
2016-01-08T17:27:22 < dongs> get china to custom-make a male>male cable with DP_PWR connected
2016-01-08T17:27:26 < dongs> sell it together with adapter
2016-01-08T17:27:43 < dongs> have it marked as OMG DO NOT CONNECT TO ANYTHING EXCEPT THIS SHIT or somethigng
2016-01-08T17:28:05 < dongs> (not that it would matter really as it would be pretty short)
2016-01-08T17:28:39 < karlp> like the weirdass usb-a-a cables that come with some dodgy tv boxes and shit for OTG.
2016-01-08T17:28:52 < dongs> http://reboots.g-cipher.net/resinkeychain.jpg
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2016-01-08T17:32:13 < dongs> karlp: liek wat? they're not usb at all?
2016-01-08T17:32:19 < dongs> or they're doing "OTG" over USB_A lol
2016-01-08T17:32:34 < zyp> using A on the device side
2016-01-08T17:32:39 < zyp> I've seen shit doing that
2016-01-08T17:33:15 < dongs> you could use usb3.0 cables then!
2016-01-08T17:33:18 < karlp> using A for a port that is OTG, but _normally_ host, but is device when you arei n the bootloader and friends.
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2016-01-08T17:34:35 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1451669758719.jpg
2016-01-08T17:34:41 < Laurenceb_>  /pol/ troll spotted
2016-01-08T17:37:17 < ReadError> why does that guys head look so big
2016-01-08T17:37:19 < ReadError> compared to the rest
2016-01-08T17:37:52 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/X2bMAUv.jpg holy shit fuck ipad users
2016-01-08T17:38:23 < upgrdman_> wtf is that event?
2016-01-08T17:38:43 < dongs> lol vienna new year concert
2016-01-08T17:38:45 < dongs> but never mind that
2016-01-08T17:39:00 < dongs> its the ipad fags that should die
2016-01-08T17:39:13 < upgrdman_> *nods*
2016-01-08T17:39:14 < Laurenceb_> dongs spotted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FYuYkPgDkk
2016-01-08T17:39:34 < dongs> old
2016-01-08T17:40:21 < ReadError> are they saying go home?
2016-01-08T17:40:24 < ReadError> or something
2016-01-08T17:41:12 < Laurenceb_> I should stop lurking on /pol/
2016-01-08T17:41:16 < Laurenceb_> but too much lulz
2016-01-08T17:42:24 < dongs> only you think so
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2016-01-08T17:47:09 < zyp> anybody got any experience with small oleds?
2016-01-08T17:47:17 < zyp> like 1" or so
2016-01-08T17:47:23 < dongs> you mean those screns?
2016-01-08T17:47:28 < dongs> 0.96" shits
2016-01-08T17:47:28 < zyp> yes
2016-01-08T17:47:30 < dongs> i have a box of them
2016-01-08T17:47:36 < dongs> they're like/.. spi/i2c shits
2016-01-08T17:47:38 < zyp> what kind?
2016-01-08T17:47:51 < dongs> finding link
2016-01-08T17:47:54 < dongs> its hte standard ones
2016-01-08T17:47:57 < ReadError> 1306
2016-01-08T17:47:58 < ReadError> or something
2016-01-08T17:48:07 < dongs> http://www.wide.hk/index.php?route=product/product&path=18_46&product_id=65
2016-01-08T17:48:08 < dongs> like this shit
2016-01-08T17:48:12 < dongs> its all over ebay for cheap as shit
2016-01-08T17:48:13 < karlp> what sort of experience you mean?
2016-01-08T17:48:15 < karlp> "they work" ?
2016-01-08T17:48:18 < dongs> i've used it, they work
2016-01-08T17:48:18 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-08T17:48:26 < dongs> there's tarduino code for those all over the place
2016-01-08T17:48:44 < karlp> yahmon, aidafroot snowflakes demo.
2016-01-08T17:48:46 < zyp> ah, that's the monochrome ones
2016-01-08T17:48:52 < dongs> yeah, or dual color
2016-01-08T17:48:55 < zyp> I were looking at rgb ones in that size
2016-01-08T17:48:55 < ReadError> oh shit
2016-01-08T17:48:56 < ReadError> https://www.adafruit.com/products/326
2016-01-08T17:49:03 < ReadError> memory is ace today
2016-01-08T17:49:03 < karlp> or part of the screen one colour, part another.
2016-01-08T17:49:16 < dongs> hah $19.50
2016-01-08T17:49:17 < ReadError> doesnt Tectu even have a driver for it?
2016-01-08T17:49:17 < dongs> fucking
2016-01-08T17:49:26 < ReadError> in ugfx
2016-01-08T17:49:28 < karlp> $19.50?!!!
2016-01-08T17:49:30 < karlp> holy fuck
2016-01-08T17:49:42 < ReadError> same driver used on all of them though
2016-01-08T17:49:44 < karlp> I think I paid $1.99 on banggood or something for a couple
2016-01-08T17:50:02 < karlp> not rgb though ;)
2016-01-08T17:50:04 < zyp> https://www.adafruit.com/products/684 <- I guess this is something like what I want
2016-01-08T17:50:05 < dongs> never used color one.
2016-01-08T17:50:15 < zyp> except I want to mount it on my own pcb
2016-01-08T17:50:21 < zyp> so just oled, not the shitty breakout
2016-01-08T17:50:40 < dongs> resolution nowhere on the page
2016-01-08T17:50:50 < dongs> zyp: chinagirl probly has them once you find a sample.
2016-01-08T17:51:07 < karlp> yay, I just bought ones on a breakout, but not the adafruit "breakout" that incldues a buffer and vreg for 5V compat shitz
2016-01-08T17:51:18 < dongs> UG-9664HDDAG01
2016-01-08T17:51:20 < dongs> looks like its this
2016-01-08T17:51:24 < dongs> it is the 96x64 thing
2016-01-08T17:51:41 < dongs> http://oled.wisechip.com.tw/en/2-2641-70277/product/Full-Color-Display-Color-OLED-id379887.html
2016-01-08T17:51:44 < dongs> this is the manufacturer
2016-01-08T17:52:05 < dongs> such fake pic wow
2016-01-08T17:52:56 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/0-95-inch-full-color-OLED-screen-dot-matrix-96-64-UG-9664HDDAG01/32272498465.html
2016-01-08T17:52:59 < dongs> spendy
2016-01-08T17:53:16 < dongs> also the ones without module you ned like ~10 caps
2016-01-08T17:53:21 < dongs> for the boost + bypass + shit
2016-01-08T17:53:23 < zyp> hmm, I were looking at some shit yesterday, but I can't find it in the log
2016-01-08T17:53:25 < dongs> near the connector
2016-01-08T17:53:33 < dongs> er module = without breakout
2016-01-08T17:53:36 < zyp> yeah, sure
2016-01-08T17:54:07 < zyp> I'm thinking for DIN box, make a board for the top of the box with oled, a few buttons and maybe usb
2016-01-08T17:54:50 < dongs> psh you dont need color for that
2016-01-08T17:54:53 < zyp> and then just a ffc connector or something on the bottom
2016-01-08T18:02:06 < aandrew> I've used those displays
2016-01-08T18:02:11 < aandrew> be careful
2016-01-08T18:02:17 < aandrew> there are TWO 20 pin pinouts and one 30 pin pinout
2016-01-08T18:02:28 < zyp> yeah?
2016-01-08T18:02:32 < aandrew> oh wait
2016-01-08T18:02:34 < aandrew> those are colour
2016-01-08T18:02:41 < aandrew> I used the 0.96" 128x64 monochrome OLEDs
2016-01-08T18:03:23 < aandrew> but be careful nontheless; the pinouts are not universal and SOME of the pigtails DO NOT fit FFC, they are intended to be hotbarred or something
2016-01-08T18:03:35 < dongs> yep, thats the ones I got
2016-01-08T18:03:39 < dongs> they evne have little holes in each pad
2016-01-08T18:03:45 < dongs> for soldering directly to pcb
2016-01-08T18:04:17 < zyp> that's ok, saves me a connector :p
2016-01-08T18:05:29 < zyp> http://www.wisechip.com.tw/comm/upimage/p_131022_02080.jpg <- looks like this also got holes in pads
2016-01-08T18:05:52 < upgrdman_> anyone use a flow chart program they like? i know dongs like vizio, but other than that?
2016-01-08T18:06:32 < dongs> what else is there besides dickscape or GNU DIA
2016-01-08T18:06:40 < dongs> or i mean dinkscape
2016-01-08T18:06:52 < upgrdman_> i just found google drawing
2016-01-08T18:06:57 < dongs> wazzat
2016-01-08T18:07:00 < upgrdman_> like just now, one second ago
2016-01-08T18:07:10 < upgrdman_> https://docs.google.com/drawings/create?usp=about_products&authuser=0
2016-01-08T18:07:12 < dongs> oh, chormeapp
2016-01-08T18:07:28 < upgrdman_> looks super primitive tho. might be good enough for me
2016-01-08T18:07:39 < dongs> zyp, yeah those holes
2016-01-08T18:07:47 < dongs> sounds like andrew knows how to solder them
2016-01-08T18:07:58 < zyp> hmm, SSD1331 is the controller
2016-01-08T18:08:06 < dongs> solomontech thing
2016-01-08T18:08:46 < dongs> ohh, that one has no I2C
2016-01-08T18:08:50 < dongs> poor tardufaggots
2016-01-08T18:08:56 < dongs> how will they interface
2016-01-08T18:09:05 < zyp> SPI
2016-01-08T18:09:12 < zyp> :p
2016-01-08T18:09:23 < dongs> they dunno wat that is
2016-01-08T18:10:50 < aandrew> visio seems to be *the* one. I use Omnigraffle on OSX
2016-01-08T18:11:21 < aandrew> it doesn't have I2C? or it's just pinned out in a way that disables the I2C
2016-01-08T18:11:34 < dongs> no i2c on the controller
2016-01-08T18:11:35 < dongs> thankfuilly
2016-01-08T18:11:46 < aandrew> SSD1331 has no I2C??
2016-01-08T18:11:54 < dongs> correct.
2016-01-08T18:12:03 < aandrew> hm
2016-01-08T18:12:21 < aandrew> I'm kind of banking on that SSD chip to have I2C for my design, I drove it with I2C, but perhaps not the 1331 specifically
2016-01-08T18:12:37 < dongs> its color-only one.
2016-01-08T18:12:43 < dongs> the other ones are SSD1306 or something
2016-01-08T18:12:45 < aandrew> aha
2016-01-08T18:12:48 < dongs> teh monochrome drivers haev I2C
2016-01-08T18:12:53 < aandrew> yeah I'm not using colour
2016-01-08T18:12:58 < aandrew> too pricey for my cheap ass
2016-01-08T18:13:32 < zyp> are monochrome ones also 14V?
2016-01-08T18:13:36 < dongs> yes
2016-01-08T18:13:39 < dongs> they have some internal boost thing
2016-01-08T18:13:43 < aandrew> yep
2016-01-08T18:13:43 < dongs> you just need caps
2016-01-08T18:13:47 < aandrew> some need you to supply though
2016-01-08T18:13:52 < aandrew> like I said I spent a bit of time on this
2016-01-08T18:13:58 < zyp> this one seems to need external 14V
2016-01-08T18:14:02 < dongs> orly
2016-01-08T18:14:19 < dongs> the mono shits w/holes I got were built in boost just had to add some 0.1uf caps around for it
2016-01-08T18:15:18 < zyp> http://www.waveshare.com/0.95inch-rgb-oled-b.htm <- same shit
2016-01-08T18:15:46 < dongs> nice
2016-01-08T18:15:51 < dongs> dont have any of those in stock
2016-01-08T18:16:01 < dongs> lol 3x cheaper than aidsfruit
2016-01-08T18:16:13 < dongs> ohh, see they got a booster thingy there
2016-01-08T18:16:19 < dongs> on the back of pcb
2016-01-08T18:16:24 < gordonjcp> how big can you get off-the-shelf OLEDs?
2016-01-08T18:16:36 < dongs> as big as you want
2016-01-08T18:16:45 < dongs> lots of cellphone panels are oled???
2016-01-08T18:17:02 < aandrew> http://mixdown.ca/dump/oledshit.pdf
2016-01-08T18:17:08 < gordonjcp> good point, I don't really need that high a resolution
2016-01-08T18:17:15 < gordonjcp> but if it's cheap why not?
2016-01-08T18:17:28 < zyp> http://www.waveshare.com/0.95inch-rgb-oled-a.htm <- this one plugs right into spi headers on waveshare board, neat
2016-01-08T18:17:44 < gordonjcp> just draw the numbers bigger I guess
2016-01-08T18:17:54 < aandrew> adafruit has some pretty nasty markup usually
2016-01-08T18:19:27 < zyp> hmm, ssd1331 doesn't seem to have any mirroring
2016-01-08T18:19:38 < zyp> but ok
2016-01-08T18:21:15 < dongs> wat were yo ugonna mirror
2016-01-08T18:21:25 < dongs> have an accelerometre there to see if you plugged it into din rail backwards?
2016-01-08T18:21:34 < dongs> then flip the screen
2016-01-08T18:21:44 < zyp> haha, no
2016-01-08T18:21:53 < zyp> just to avoid having to work with inverted coords
2016-01-08T18:21:58 < karlp> means he doesn't have to worry as much baout geting the wiring or code right ,)
2016-01-08T18:22:02 < zyp> if I mount it upside down
2016-01-08T18:22:08 < dongs> cant you just write a putpixel() or wahtever that swaps it
2016-01-08T18:22:16 < dongs> and not care about it on higher level
2016-01-08T18:22:28 < zyp> sure
2016-01-08T18:22:45 < englishman> zyp: ask upgrdman_ i think it was him who had a full colour one
2016-01-08T18:22:51 < upgrdman_> no
2016-01-08T18:22:56 < englishman> hm who was it
2016-01-08T18:22:56 < upgrdman_> mine was cheap lcd
2016-01-08T18:22:58 < englishman> when the specan
2016-01-08T18:22:58 < upgrdman_> not oled
2016-01-08T18:22:59 < englishman> oh
2016-01-08T18:23:11 < upgrdman_> ya im the specan guy. it was lcd.
2016-01-08T18:23:14 < englishman> does it have to be oled tho
2016-01-08T18:23:26 < englishman> especially with that shit wide.hk pixel density
2016-01-08T18:24:22 < dongs> what other 3d model places are tehre besides 3dcontent
2016-01-08T18:24:23 < englishman> zyp this is the "original" and bestest http://www.wide.hk/index.php?route=product/product&path=18_46&product_id=65
2016-01-08T18:24:31 < englishman> there were a bunch of chinacloned ones that didnt work at all
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2016-01-08T18:26:25 < englishman> used only for innovation of course http://i.imgur.com/uGALU21.jpg
2016-01-08T18:27:44 < zyp> very useful
2016-01-08T18:34:29 < karlp> huh, I only paid $3.40 for the one I got on ali, but the same seller is no $4.70
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2016-01-08T18:39:19 < karlp> pro RTC: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=f076ef44a44d02ed91543f820c14c2c7dff53716
2016-01-08T18:43:15 < dongs> chiunk garabge
2016-01-08T18:43:20 < dongs> fuck rockchip, allwhiner, etc
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2016-01-08T18:54:14 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/InformalInsecureIberianmidwifetoad
2016-01-08T18:54:16 < dongs> this is almost cool
2016-01-08T18:56:19 < dongs> also: https://gfycat.com/ImpressionableQualifiedBorzoi
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2016-01-08T18:58:31 < dongs> BREAKING:  Anti-Semitic Attack In Tottenham Hale Sees Jews Pelted With Gas Canisters And Told 'Hitler Is On The Way'
2016-01-08T18:58:37 < dongs> fuckin Laurenceb_
2016-01-08T18:58:39 < dongs> stop trolling
2016-01-08T18:58:53 < dongs> http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/01/07/anti-semitic-attack-jews-gas-canisters_n_8931326.html
2016-01-08T18:59:54 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2016-01-08T19:00:07 < Sync> wtf
2016-01-08T19:01:25 < Sync> oh wow the comments
2016-01-08T19:02:32 < dongs> looks liek facebook feed
2016-01-08T19:02:36 < dongs> cant expect anything intelligent there
2016-01-08T19:02:47 < dongs> fuck sites that use facebook for commenting
2016-01-08T19:03:03 < GargantuaSauce_> "Call me cynical but this sounds like it is an Israeli ploy to foster sympathy."
2016-01-08T19:05:49 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/IndelibleCarefulArchaeocete
2016-01-08T19:05:49 < Laurenceb_> probably true
2016-01-08T19:05:54 < dongs> betcha didnt see that coming
2016-01-08T19:06:10 < Laurenceb_> wonder what /pol/ has to say
2016-01-08T19:08:02 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/agtOgbG.gif haha
2016-01-08T19:08:41 < Sync> nice
2016-01-08T19:08:45 < Sync> very uniform cracking
2016-01-08T19:14:31 < dongs> http://www.catsmob.com/post/2015/09/5438/cm_20150907_5438_012.gif wtf
2016-01-08T19:17:09 < Rob235> if you have a sensor board that doesn't have a data ready interrupt but updates at 100 hz what is the best way to trigger reading? set it to the right mode, read a sensor reading until != 0 and start a 100 hz timer right then to trigger each subsequent read?
2016-01-08T19:17:37 < dongs> no just read it whenever
2016-01-08T19:19:11 < Rob235> I don't want to waste time reading when it hasn't updated though, should I just make sure 10 ms has passed since last read?
2016-01-08T19:19:58 < Rob235> that should work fine
2016-01-08T19:20:26 < dongs> duno, move it in a thread, where you do while(1) } read(); fuckwith(); wait (10ms-time_while_fucking); }
2016-01-08T19:21:22 < dongs> also are yousure wahtever youre reading cant be configured in oneshot mode
2016-01-08T19:21:30 < dongs> where it samples when you read stuff
2016-01-08T19:21:33 < dongs> or hwatever
2016-01-08T19:25:27 < Rob235> nah, it handles everything with its own M0+ mcu, just have to read the i2c data registers when you want which are updated at 100 hz
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2016-01-08T19:27:33 < Rob235> I'll just store the tick count of the last read and in the main loop check if 10ms has passed since last read and if so trigger the dma
2016-01-08T19:28:20 < dongs> make sure to store it in  uint
2016-01-08T19:28:37 < Rob235> yup
2016-01-08T19:28:38 < gordonjcp> uint?
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2016-01-08T19:28:47 < gordonjcp> what happens if you want to make it travel back in time?
2016-01-08T19:28:53 < Rob235> are there uint64_t?
2016-01-08T19:28:53 < dongs> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/61443/rollover-safe-timer-tick-comparisons
2016-01-08T19:28:57 < dongs> because this
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2016-01-08T19:29:26 < dongs> wehn it overflows to zero, you want the stuff to automatically solve the problem
2016-01-08T19:30:45 < dongs> bedtime
2016-01-08T19:30:51 < Rob235> but its noon!
2016-01-08T19:30:53 < Rob235> :)
2016-01-08T19:31:52 < englishman> just make sure its uint and you compare with subtractions
2016-01-08T19:32:00 < englishman> or your shit will crash and kill people when it rolls over
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2016-01-08T19:34:42 < Rob235> well my tick is microseconds so a uint32 will go up to ~70 min which I know my copter will never do but I'll do it right anyway
2016-01-08T19:38:32 < gordonjcp> Rob235: y'arse it won't
2016-01-08T19:38:40 < gordonjcp> that's fine for now
2016-01-08T19:38:58 < gordonjcp> next year it's got better motors, mid 2017 someone brings out a battery that lasts twice as long...
2016-01-08T19:39:24 < gordonjcp> couple of years from now you're getting maybe an hour out of a charged battery because technology has moved on
2016-01-08T19:39:33 < Rob235> I wish battery tech moved that fast
2016-01-08T19:39:45 < gordonjcp> that's how we ended up with with the 2K38 problem
2016-01-08T19:40:02 < Rob235> 2k38 problem?
2016-01-08T19:40:08 < gordonjcp> yup
2016-01-08T19:40:29 < gordonjcp> in 2038, signed int32 Unix time will roll over
2016-01-08T19:40:41 < Rob235> ahh
2016-01-08T19:41:48 < gordonjcp> now to be fair int32 was chosen because Dennis Ritchie reckoned if it was centred on Jan 1 1970 (a little before he devised Unix timestamps) then from fully negative to fully positive would cover any possible date before or after his birth, plus a good bit
2016-01-08T19:42:17 < gordonjcp> and plus 31 bits would see him out, which it did a few years ago
2016-01-08T19:43:01 < gordonjcp> so assuming we're not going to be computing with cow bones and pointy sticks in another 23 years, there will be a bit of tidying up to do
2016-01-08T19:46:27 < englishman> lol
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2016-01-08T19:53:08 < Laurenceb_> dongs has special jew feed
2016-01-08T19:53:24 < Laurenceb_> anyone throws some druqs at the jew and the hivemind reacts
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2016-01-08T20:34:11 < kakimir> drugs please
2016-01-08T20:34:44 < kakimir> swarm inteligence is interesting thing
2016-01-08T20:34:59 < kakimir> some people lack really mind of their own
2016-01-08T20:35:49 < Laurenceb_> http://www.ehang.com/ehang184/specs/
2016-01-08T20:35:53 < Laurenceb_> new zano
2016-01-08T20:38:14 < kakimir> waiting for the first accident
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2016-01-08T20:44:16 < Rob235> can you use a #define as a function name?
2016-01-08T20:45:05 < kakimir> no
2016-01-08T20:45:30 < kakimir> what a hell are you trying to
2016-01-08T20:45:45 < Laurenceb_> you need function pointers?
2016-01-08T20:46:05 < kakimir> how much mlccs actually leak?
2016-01-08T20:46:42 < kakimir> someone was talking about it and now I note my linear regulator boards suck the electricity as I put 10uF mlccs to it
2016-01-08T20:47:27 < Rob235> I wanted to set all gpio/dma pins/streams in defines in the header file so that it's easy to change but the only thing you can't do is the interrupt handler for the correct dma stream
2016-01-08T20:48:48 < Rob235> function pointer would solve that?
2016-01-08T20:53:29 < kakimir> that is how you do it
2016-01-08T20:53:42 < Rob235> ok
2016-01-08T20:54:13 < Sync> I'm actually not sure how efficient that push pull arrangement of props is
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2016-01-08T21:18:40 < Rob235> I have code that uses dma with i2c to read a fifo buffer (where the reading register doesnt change), now I want it to read a consecutive range of registers, what do I change?
2016-01-08T21:19:42 < Rob235> I'm reading I2C->DR still so I wouldnt enable peripheralInc correct?
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2016-01-08T21:42:32 < Rob235> does it just happen automatically? that reading the fifo means it will just stay at that register and anything else automatically increases the register read address
2016-01-08T22:32:23 < Laurenceb_> http://tubeytoons.com/public/images/comics/enemy-of-my-enemy.png
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2016-01-09T00:26:02 < kakimir> could you possibly send data in same line with lipo battery in it
2016-01-09T00:26:47 < kakimir> maybe with some filtering?
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2016-01-09T00:35:20 < celeron55> of course you can
2016-01-09T00:36:15 < kakimir> interesting idea of having one device split in 2 and nothing but power line between
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2016-01-09T00:37:12 < celeron55> i bet you could just directly modulate a high frequency carrier signal from a uart in your use case, whatever it is
2016-01-09T00:37:15 < KreAture_> man
2016-01-09T00:37:21 < KreAture_> what's up with the cube mx libs ?
2016-01-09T00:37:31 < KreAture_> The hal is full of stupid mistakes
2016-01-09T00:37:42 < celeron55> that's not news
2016-01-09T00:37:49 < KreAture_> I know, but whyyyyy
2016-01-09T00:37:51 < celeron55> just pretend the libs don't exist
2016-01-09T00:37:56 < KreAture_> Had to do some work on it today
2016-01-09T00:38:08 < KreAture_> I actually missed the old non hal named libs
2016-01-09T00:38:14 < KreAture_> and they were annoying
2016-01-09T00:38:34 < celeron55> it's like the cubemx libs were coded by some indian summer worker
2016-01-09T00:38:40 < KreAture_> jup
2016-01-09T00:38:46 < celeron55> it doesn't even make any sense
2016-01-09T00:38:50 < KreAture_> for example the channel config stuff for adc
2016-01-09T00:38:52 < celeron55> but that's how it is
2016-01-09T00:39:42 < KreAture_> it uses |= on the channel enabeling when you have to sit down and make that whole struct for it before it will do any work for you.  This means that if you are using the hal calls to select a single channel at a time you end up enabeling all
2016-01-09T00:39:44 < KreAture_> lol
2016-01-09T00:39:59 < KreAture_> even the demos use it like that and end up getting the wrong readings
2016-01-09T00:40:47 < KreAture_> if you use the dma calls it will hang unless you are within a certain range of clocking on the adc vs cpu too, it doesn't check that the last transaction is prperly done before trying to shut down the adc
2016-01-09T00:41:06 < KreAture_> and then the adc hangs in the "enabled, and shutdown requested"-state
2016-01-09T00:41:10 < KreAture_> fun
2016-01-09T00:41:26 < KreAture_> I know about uphill battles, but this has been uphill coding
2016-01-09T00:42:05 < KreAture_> Turned out to be a silicon errata too, on the stm32l051 that I was using.  ADC will read wrong on first sample after a pause longer than 500us!
2016-01-09T00:42:15 < KreAture_> something about the sample and hold circuit apparantly
2016-01-09T00:43:18 < KreAture_> If you need to wake up every second and do a single sample the best solution is to stay away from channel 0, and use it as a dummy read before the good stuff, or switch the sample direction and enable the reference capture or temperature channel so you can waste em as dummy
2016-01-09T00:43:21 < KreAture_> sigh
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2016-01-09T00:44:50 < KreAture_> Love my new stlink v2 china clone though
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2016-01-09T00:49:58 < ^DEMOSS^> hi there
2016-01-09T00:50:14 < kakimir> celeron55: have you done it ever?
2016-01-09T00:50:26 < kakimir> how about having it 2 directions?
2016-01-09T00:50:39 < kakimir> just half duplex it?
2016-01-09T00:50:49 < ^DEMOSS^> i have a question. I have a 5110 display ( nokia) can anybody give me  a link to lib, whose i can use as Adafruit for arduino ?
2016-01-09T00:52:19 < ^DEMOSS^> can i changea lcd brightness with dac ?  it is change by pull down to GND
2016-01-09T00:56:06 < celeron55> kakimir: i don't think i have
2016-01-09T00:56:18 < celeron55> kakimir: there has never been any real need for such
2016-01-09T01:01:30 < upgrdman_> KreAture_, did you get the little gum stick sized one?
2016-01-09T01:01:38 < upgrdman_> i have one. love it too.
2016-01-09T01:02:25 < celeron55> aren't those practically everywhere by now?
2016-01-09T01:02:41 < celeron55> i mean, i didn't even consider anything else when i needed something to flash an stm32 with
2016-01-09T01:04:02 < upgrdman_> i've only ever seen them on ebay
2016-01-09T01:04:31 < upgrdman_> it's not like mouser will carry a clone programmer with STMs logo on it
2016-01-09T01:28:41 < kakimir> no way
2016-01-09T01:33:32 < KreAture_> upgrdman_ yeah alu covered gumstick
2016-01-09T01:33:38 < upgrdman_> sweet
2016-01-09T01:34:28 < KreAture_> just wish I had better luck with the libs, stuff that is simple just takes forever with fiddling and debugging
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2016-01-09T01:44:55 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1452038104666.jpg
2016-01-09T01:46:36 < kakimir> Laurenceb_ - the communist demon
2016-01-09T01:48:33 < KreAture_> resolution fail
2016-01-09T01:48:37 < KreAture_> can't read that
2016-01-09T01:48:53 < kakimir> it's crypted
2016-01-09T01:49:11 < kakimir> only real communist can see the signal
2016-01-09T01:49:15 < KreAture_> no it is a crappy picture
2016-01-09T01:50:07 < KreAture_> need more data in those pixels
2016-01-09T01:50:15 < KreAture_> less blur, more data
2016-01-09T01:57:45 < kakimir> https://e2e.ti.com/blogs_/b/msp430blog/archive/2016/01/01/new-year-s-deal-msp432-launchpad-for-4-32
2016-01-09T01:59:45  * KreAture_ looks at channel name
2016-01-09T01:59:49  * KreAture_ scratches head
2016-01-09T02:00:13 < KreAture_> do the msp's still shut down cpu while doing self programming in flash?
2016-01-09T02:00:22 < KreAture_> I remembered that was the most annoying thing ever
2016-01-09T02:00:44 < KreAture_> To avoid it you had to copy code to ram and excute from there
2016-01-09T02:05:41 < kakimir> cortex m4f quality there
2016-01-09T02:06:09 < kakimir> they want to be in the cortex scene
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2016-01-09T02:30:50 < KreAture_> kakimir STM32F42xxx and F43xxx deviced have dual architechture for read-while-write access
2016-01-09T02:32:52 < KreAture_> It does not depend on the core really, but only on the flash architecture the manufacturer has chosen
2016-01-09T02:34:45 < KreAture_> Most of atmels cortex devices have RWW, some of stm's but I can't find any TI chips that do
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2016-01-09T02:47:42 < kakimir> how do I make something (avr project) in winlolz?
2016-01-09T02:47:52 < kakimir> so scary
2016-01-09T02:48:42 < kakimir> oh now I remember
2016-01-09T02:48:54 < kakimir> I use winavr tools with full paths in cmd
2016-01-09T02:51:01 < kakimir> no.. those are luckily in the path
2016-01-09T02:52:22 < Laurenceb_> lolz
2016-01-09T02:52:33 < Laurenceb_> winavr and avrdude
2016-01-09T02:54:19 < kakimir> hey I have crappy binaries my make clean did no remove before crashing
2016-01-09T02:54:36 < kakimir> had some glitches but this project takes my life
2016-01-09T02:54:40 < kakimir> and gives nothing
2016-01-09T02:58:07 < kakimir> but pain is the teacher
2016-01-09T02:58:24 < kakimir> I need shrooms
2016-01-09T03:01:33 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1452297008862.jpg
2016-01-09T03:03:24 < kakimir> had trouble and then I remembered you need to install drivers for shiet in winlolz
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2016-01-09T03:07:12 < KreAture_> kakimir in windows it's easier to just get the atmel studio app
2016-01-09T03:07:22 < kakimir> and you have to turn shields down first in reboot
2016-01-09T03:07:24 < KreAture_> all integrated, sets up project, works
2016-01-09T03:07:30 < KreAture_> no need to fiddle
2016-01-09T03:07:38 < kakimir> I dont have rich boyz tools
2016-01-09T03:07:44 < kakimir> I have smas
2016-01-09T03:07:46 < KreAture_> it's free
2016-01-09T03:07:59 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1452299339025.jpg
2016-01-09T03:08:05 < Laurenceb_> have to buy this book
2016-01-09T03:09:47 < kakimir> how does every lamborgini owner have his own youtube videos...
2016-01-09T03:09:52 < kakimir> click whores
2016-01-09T03:11:17 < bilboquet_> Can you help me with inductor calcuation. What is IPeak. That change very much my result and if i set it low i can find a negative inductor value.
2016-01-09T03:11:22 < KreAture_> I thought it came with the car
2016-01-09T03:11:28 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-01-09T03:11:34 < KreAture_> dongs !
2016-01-09T03:11:35 < bilboquet_> http://i.imgur.com/MOW6GAz.png
2016-01-09T03:11:40 < KreAture_> dongs dongs dongs !
2016-01-09T03:11:55 < kakimir> are you hairy dongs?
2016-01-09T03:12:00  * KreAture_ puts away the excitement and sits down
2016-01-09T03:12:11 < Laurenceb_> holy shit  https://mega.nz/#!KxNFnLSK!RU7LubpS4Ib9DhuIQXwIEb-5viD95ydXod_v4Hblw84
2016-01-09T03:12:39 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: no homo
2016-01-09T03:13:16 < kakimir> I love hairy
2016-01-09T03:13:19 < KreAture_> dongs I found more odd shit in cube mx libs today.  Like how it does not deselect channels in adc config, ever.
2016-01-09T03:13:44 < KreAture_> doing single channel reads though the lib is useless without manually clearing channel selection reg
2016-01-09T03:13:46 < KreAture_> LOL
2016-01-09T03:15:53 < dongs> cool
2016-01-09T03:17:25 < bilboquet_> I think the typical application schematic, it'll do :) !
2016-01-09T03:17:32 < dongs> for tps?
2016-01-09T03:17:34 < dongs> thats what i used.
2016-01-09T03:17:45 < dongs> have it on a few production designs
2016-01-09T03:18:17 < bilboquet_> I am far from the limit
2016-01-09T03:18:52 < bilboquet_> i have 1 production design since 1 year
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2016-01-09T03:19:46 < bilboquet_> and may be it'll not bugging
2016-01-09T03:20:46 < bilboquet_> thank you anyway
2016-01-09T03:22:38 < bilboquet_> ex of kicad design : https://olimex.wordpress.com/
2016-01-09T03:23:26 < dongs> masochism is fun
2016-01-09T03:25:33 < bilboquet_> I'd be faster with the next
2016-01-09T03:25:57 < bilboquet_> s/d/ll
2016-01-09T03:32:34 < bilboquet_> sorry this is the kicad link  https://olimex.wordpress.com/2016/01/08/a64-olinuxino-oshw-linux-computer-is-close-to-complete-routing-github-update-of-kicad-files/
2016-01-09T03:32:43 < dongs> i know, i can read
2016-01-09T03:32:49 < dongs> i scrolled through some other blags on that page
2016-01-09T03:34:24 < Laurenceb_> http://www.grrrgraphics.com/images/internata_ben_tina_garrison.jpg
2016-01-09T03:38:34 < Laurenceb_> but why is there graph sea
2016-01-09T03:38:35 < dongs> funny level: /pol/
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2016-01-09T03:40:08 < Laurenceb_> correct, thats where I found it
2016-01-09T03:40:14 < Laurenceb_> can't find his book tho :-/
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2016-01-09T03:46:04 < Laurenceb_> aha http://www.amazon.com/Rogue-Cartoonist-Internet-Perils-Citizen-Muckraker/dp/1631928287
2016-01-09T03:46:07 < Laurenceb_> lol comments
2016-01-09T03:53:36 < dongs> why r u such a faggot
2016-01-09T03:54:07 < Laurenceb_> https://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Random/oh_no_some_one_rekt_thier_car.jpg
2016-01-09T03:57:37 < dongs> It is recommended that Downstream devices should use the full-size DisplayPort connector on their Upstream
2016-01-09T03:57:41 < dongs> ports. However, if a Downstream device implements the Mini DisplayPort connector on an Upstream port,
2016-01-09T03:57:44 < dongs> then it must use the pinout specified in Table 4-11.
2016-01-09T03:57:47 < dongs> heh
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2016-01-09T04:09:26 < PeterM> emeb, did you get a plug for your ts100?
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2016-01-09T04:12:19 < upgrdman> yay. my new camera flash arrived
2016-01-09T04:12:25 < upgrdman> such powerful. very wow.
2016-01-09T04:12:36 < dongs> did you get a pro mic yet
2016-01-09T04:13:00 < upgrdman> no, but i got a $25 sony lapel mic.
2016-01-09T04:13:06 < dongs> how is it
2016-01-09T04:13:08 < upgrdman> good enough. much better than before
2016-01-09T04:13:13 < dongs> cool
2016-01-09T04:14:01 < PeterM> upgrdman, what flash? a YN or a Nissin or a original unit?
2016-01-09T04:14:07 < upgrdman> you can compare it on this video. the first minute of cell phone video has cell phone audio. the other 30 minutes of my cock-holding-tutorial is with the $25 sony mic.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmdEP_ZsBgM
2016-01-09T04:14:19 < upgrdman> PeterM, yongnuo yn568ex ii
2016-01-09T04:14:53 < PeterM> Nice, they're oen of my prefered 3rd party speedlights
2016-01-09T04:15:17 < upgrdman> cool
2016-01-09T04:15:36 < dongs> upgrdman: the highs are not high enough
2016-01-09T04:15:50 < upgrdman> im not a high pitched girl
2016-01-09T04:18:36 < upgrdman> PeterM, have you tried the yn600 ? i heard it was nicer but also had reliability issues.
2016-01-09T04:21:46 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/61Jb3b4.gifv
2016-01-09T04:21:54 < dongs> mega old
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2016-01-09T04:24:25 < upgrdman> dongs, looks like that youtube guy with rat catching idea video works.  http://imgur.com/4cTNlHl
2016-01-09T04:24:43 < dongs> your work?
2016-01-09T04:24:57 < dongs> thats a lot of mice
2016-01-09T04:25:10 < upgrdman> no. from r/wtf
2016-01-09T04:25:24 < dongs> such a ghetto shitjob too
2016-01-09T04:25:30 < upgrdman> i have no rats. worse i get is maybe 1 or 2 spiders per year.
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2016-01-09T04:33:34 < ReadError> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)
2016-01-09T04:33:36 < ReadError> pew pew
2016-01-09T04:35:50 < upgrdman> would it even be safe to fire that. proximity to the destination would make me uneasy.
2016-01-09T04:37:15 < ReadError> they probably dont tell that to the operator
2016-01-09T04:37:24 < ReadError> "yea its all good, everythings safe"
2016-01-09T04:38:46 < upgrdman> "wear this painter's dust mask"
2016-01-09T04:40:51 < dongs> holy shit, china delivers
2016-01-09T04:41:04 < dongs> i asked for .step file for the chinaclone minidp connector
2016-01-09T04:41:06 < dongs> and they sent me
2016-01-09T04:41:08 < PeterM> upgrdman, nah i havent, i usually only do stills
2016-01-09T04:41:16 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-09T04:41:25 < PeterM> dongs grats
2016-01-09T04:42:20 < upgrdman> dongs, cool. like super detailed production model, or redacted/simplified?
2016-01-09T04:42:37 < dongs> 3 megs step, downloading now cuz china internet
2016-01-09T04:42:40 < dongs> cant be too bad
2016-01-09T04:43:42 < upgrdman> what... the... fuck...  https://gfycat.com/GreenMerryJuliabutterfly
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2016-01-09T04:50:16 < dongs> nice
2016-01-09T04:50:17 < dongs> yes its exact
2016-01-09T04:50:25 < upgrdman> cool
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2016-01-09T05:37:31 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/SuwkyKY.webm
2016-01-09T05:47:57 < upgrdman> reminds me of James and the Giant Peach
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2016-01-09T05:49:44 < upgrdman> nice professor  http://gfycat.com/GiantMadAfricanwildcat
2016-01-09T05:49:48 < emeb_mac> awww - it's a little salticid
2016-01-09T05:49:55 < emeb_mac> my favorite kind of spider.
2016-01-09T05:53:52 < ds2> hmmmm
2016-01-09T06:05:11 < Sync> probably not too pleasant in the ear canal tho
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2016-01-09T06:14:44 < ds2> ADC driving is such a complex topic :(
2016-01-09T06:20:39 < upgrdman> ya. kids gets to drive adc's with training wheels on them
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2016-01-09T07:03:17 < upgrdman> neat antenna  http://www.esa.int/var/esa/storage/images/esa_multimedia/images/2015/12/mtg_combined_antenna/15748916-1-eng-GB/MTG_combined_antenna.jpg
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2016-01-09T07:16:02 < dongs> renewed my japan jewflix-like clone wehre I can rent physical jewrays/dvds a few times a month
2016-01-09T07:16:10 < dongs> fuck streaming faggotry
2016-01-09T07:17:25 < Rob235> BNO055 library just about complete, haven't tested it once since I started it though :)
2016-01-09T07:21:25 < upgrdman> dongs, wouldnt it be more convenient to torrent?
2016-01-09T07:21:50 < dongs> upgrdman: what, jap language rips?
2016-01-09T07:23:43 < upgrdman> oh you watch jap movies?
2016-01-09T07:23:54 < dongs> jap audio tracks for whatever stuff.
2016-01-09T07:24:16 < upgrdman> you prefer jap audio to eng audio?
2016-01-09T07:26:11 < dongs> sure
2016-01-09T07:26:14 < dongs> or JUST DONGS
2016-01-09T07:26:34 < upgrdman> i thought you were an american in japan?
2016-01-09T07:26:56 < dongs> fucksake why do you have to question every god damn thing about what i want to do.
2016-01-09T07:27:02 < dongs> if I wanna watch shit in jap i wil lfucking do it
2016-01-09T07:27:10 < upgrdman> lol. ok
2016-01-09T07:27:18 < dongs> and paying 7 bucks a month to rent shit and rip audio tracks is 1000x easier than figuring out how to torrent some obscure jap release
2016-01-09T07:27:21 < dongs> lololol
2016-01-09T07:30:35 < upgrdman> how long have you been in japan
2016-01-09T07:30:37 < emeb_mac> upgrdman: why do you assume dongs *isn't* japanese?
2016-01-09T07:31:12 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, i could have sworn he or someone else he moved to japan temporarily and it sorta become permanent
2016-01-09T07:31:30 < emeb_mac> damn - shoes stuck to the pavement...
2016-01-09T07:32:25 < Rob235> what is the opposite of a raw value?
2016-01-09T07:32:33 < upgrdman> processed value
2016-01-09T07:32:38 < emeb_mac> cooked?
2016-01-09T07:32:40 < PeterM> i thought he was a jew who fled to japang to avoid persecution
2016-01-09T07:32:41 < Rob235> ahh thats better than converted
2016-01-09T07:32:43 < upgrdman> e.g. converted into some unit other than adc lsb's
2016-01-09T07:32:47 < dongs> cooked sounds good
2016-01-09T07:32:59 < PeterM> damn shapeshifting jews
2016-01-09T07:33:08 < dongs> or you could say "gassed"
2016-01-09T07:33:53 < dongs> uint16_t raw_data[3]; uint16_t gassed_data[3];
2016-01-09T07:34:09 < upgrdman> ass gassed
2016-01-09T07:36:27 < ds2> hey emeb
2016-01-09T07:40:26 < PeterM> anyone here order much from tme?
2016-01-09T07:43:02 < emeb_mac> ds2: pong
2016-01-09T07:43:39 < dongs> http://www.audiohum.es/WebRoot/acens/Shops/audiohum_es/4AA8/A240/7C12/077F/AA6B/0A01/00CB/C4C1/2210100007.jpg
2016-01-09T07:43:42 < dongs> retweeting
2016-01-09T07:43:50 < ds2> emeb: got a moment to see if this has a chance of digitizing a broadcast AM signal?
2016-01-09T07:44:03 < emeb_mac> ds2: hit me!
2016-01-09T07:44:44 < PeterM> dafuq, did someone decide to make their own discrete opamps or some shit
2016-01-09T07:45:03 < emeb_mac> nothing new about that
2016-01-09T07:45:20 < ds2> emeb_mac: http://www.hy-research.com/tmp/adc-drv-full.pdf
2016-01-09T07:46:00 < ds2> it is from LT spice... the V2 source is the "antenna"
2016-01-09T07:46:19 < ds2> this is fed into a 1:1 xformer to get a diff feed to the AD9203
2016-01-09T07:47:42 < emeb_mac> so R4 is the transformer?
2016-01-09T07:48:07 < ds2> yeah
2016-01-09T07:48:59 < ds2> center tap on the AD9203 side goes to VREF per the datasheet
2016-01-09T07:49:38 < emeb_mac> yeah - xfmr would be a good way to get diff
2016-01-09T07:49:49 < emeb_mac> I know they discuss that in the datasheet
2016-01-09T07:49:59 < upgrdman> fuck. my proto x quad wont charge anymore.
2016-01-09T07:49:59 < ds2> figure the Beagle is going to be teaming with digital noise
2016-01-09T07:50:10 < emeb_mac> bet on it
2016-01-09T07:50:27 < PeterM> upgrdman, wot
2016-01-09T07:50:44 < emeb_mac> ds2: how is it that J1 has 50 ohm input impedance?
2016-01-09T07:50:56 < upgrdman> PeterM, like the charge lights up but lipo voltage doesnt change very much after 30 minutes
2016-01-09T07:51:01 < upgrdman> and lipo looks fine
2016-01-09T07:51:03 < emeb_mac> I thought JFETs were pretty high impedance devices
2016-01-09T07:51:03 < upgrdman> nothings hot
2016-01-09T07:51:04 < ds2> it doesn't
2016-01-09T07:51:12 < ds2> it is high-z so I can put a random wire antenna on it
2016-01-09T07:51:23 < upgrdman> might be the 0.10$ usb charger crapped out or something
2016-01-09T07:51:24 < ds2> J1's goal is to transform random Z into 100ohm
2016-01-09T07:51:25 < PeterM> probbly loose connection or somethin
2016-01-09T07:51:31 < PeterM> that too
2016-01-09T07:51:42 < ds2> Q1 takes 100ohm down to 50. 100ohm just worked out better for part selection
2016-01-09T07:51:54 < upgrdman> ya i took the charger apart, nothing loose broken/cracked/burned. same with quad pcb
2016-01-09T07:52:00 < emeb_mac> ds2: ok
2016-01-09T07:52:11 < emeb_mac> misunderstood where the "input" was
2016-01-09T07:52:27 < ds2> input was set to 50ohm for testing; the "ideal" case
2016-01-09T07:52:30 < PeterM> i'd jsut say fuck it and solder a 4056 over what ever charger it has
2016-01-09T07:53:41 < ds2> only mystery is the apparent sensitivity of this thing is like -20dBm
2016-01-09T07:53:55 < ds2> just hope processing gain really works :/
2016-01-09T07:54:48 < upgrdman> PeterM, to hold me over, i dusted of my traxxas qr1, will see if it still flies.
2016-01-09T07:55:13 < PeterM> lol
2016-01-09T07:55:13 < emeb_mac> gah! -20dBm?
2016-01-09T07:55:21 < emeb_mac> err
2016-01-09T07:55:24 < emeb_mac> -20dB
2016-01-09T07:55:32 < emeb_mac> no m in gain
2016-01-09T07:56:14 < PeterM> upgrdman, i feel like an idiot, back when the micro quads started being a thing i bought a walkera ladybird, it was like $150, was sweet, but now there are these cheersons and shit for like $5
2016-01-09T07:56:46 < ds2> well, the ADC wants 1V P-P for full scale
2016-01-09T07:57:04 < ds2> doing the math, and assume 10 counts of the ADC is enough
2016-01-09T07:57:22 < ds2> then translate that voltage into dBm across 50ohm... (or 100ohm)
2016-01-09T07:57:47 < upgrdman> PeterM, :) i remember when i worked at a hobby shop and one of our regulars bought a ladybird and was so happy that he couldnt contain his joy
2016-01-09T07:58:01 < upgrdman> he was like "this is going to change everything"
2016-01-09T07:58:29 < PeterM> they are/were fuckin sweet tho\
2016-01-09T07:58:34 < emeb_mac> ds2: sounds iffy
2016-01-09T07:58:52 < ds2> emeb_mac: in your version, does that op-amp have voltage gain?
2016-01-09T07:59:09 < emeb_mac> ds2: yes - 10x
2016-01-09T07:59:15 < ds2> Ooooh
2016-01-09T08:00:01 < emeb_mac> depends on the resistors - I've got two boards built, one with 10x, one with 1x
2016-01-09T08:00:03 < ds2> I am decimating by 1024... doesn't that give me 30dB of gain there or is this kind of gain different?
2016-01-09T08:00:30 < emeb_mac> ds2: yes - you get 30dB improvement in SNR
2016-01-09T08:00:57 < emeb_mac> but if you start out with a strong signal in you're better off
2016-01-09T08:02:11 < ds2> emeb_mac: some places are saying AM signals can be as strong as 0dBm
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2016-01-09T08:02:33 < ds2> maybe I ought to put in another FET for some voltage gain then
2016-01-09T08:02:52 < emeb_mac> the ADC is 10 bits so theoretically has 60dB SNR. If you're only 10 counts as said above then you're almost 40dB down from optimum
2016-01-09T08:03:35 < ds2> hmmm
2016-01-09T08:03:43 < emeb_mac> OTOH, most local AM is pretty strong signal.
2016-01-09T08:04:21 < emeb_mac> I'm about 10mi from a 50kW AM station - I have to crank in 20-30dB atten to keep from overloading my front-end on that one.
2016-01-09T08:04:50 < ds2> okay so I probally won't fall completely on my face
2016-01-09T08:05:48 < emeb_mac> you should be able to pick up a few strong locals even with that one
2016-01-09T08:07:56 < ds2> probally going to pop pads for a common source JFET amp in front
2016-01-09T08:08:12 < ds2> other then that, this front end driver looks functional?
2016-01-09T08:08:47 < emeb_mac> ds2: well, I'm not an expert on JFET topology, but filter / amp / xfrmr seems workable.
2016-01-09T08:09:43 < ds2> 'k thanks
2016-01-09T08:10:05 < ds2> i'm putting in pads for up to a 7 order filter along with extra pads to turn it into a band pass filter
2016-01-09T08:10:52 < emeb_mac> you putting the ADC on that board too, or deadbugging?
2016-01-09T08:11:04 < ds2> ADC is on the board
2016-01-09T08:11:09 < ds2> along with connectors for the Beagle
2016-01-09T08:11:17 < ds2> 2 side PCB, full ground plane on the bottom
2016-01-09T08:11:29 < ds2> ferrite beads on the power lines coming from the Beagle
2016-01-09T08:11:51 < emeb_mac> and lots and lots of bypass caps!
2016-01-09T08:11:57 < ds2> (would ferrite work? or do I need to look for chokes?)
2016-01-09T08:12:04 < ds2> even for the transistors?
2016-01-09T08:12:08 < emeb_mac> ferrites are a good start
2016-01-09T08:12:32 < emeb_mac> and you want that power rail well bypassed
2016-01-09T08:12:49 < ds2> the same 0.1uf || 10uF trick? or more then that?
2016-01-09T08:13:22 < emeb_mac> that would be a good start. Maybe some 1000pf too for HF as well.
2016-01-09T08:14:34 < ds2> does the package/size matter?
2016-01-09T08:14:44 < ds2> trying to use 0603 for everything
2016-01-09T08:15:12 < ds2> wonder if I am better off putting in a LDO
2016-01-09T08:15:49 < emeb_mac> pkg size shouldn't be a huge deal
2016-01-09T08:16:15 < emeb_mac> an LDO would be better - higher impedance than the ferrite.
2016-01-09T08:17:20 < ds2> 'k, I'll update the design with these ideas; thanks again
2016-01-09T08:17:33 < emeb_mac> sure - good luck.
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2016-01-09T08:18:02 < ds2> putting in enough 0's that I can test each block seperately
2016-01-09T08:20:06 < emeb_mac> good idea
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2016-01-09T08:36:30 < upgrdman> any idea why stm doesnt make a gyro/accel with builtin stm32? seems like a lot of applications for that. if nothing else, so many rc shits that just need ghetto imu + a bit of custom logic
2016-01-09T08:36:52 < PeterM> mems is a different process
2016-01-09T08:37:03 < upgrdman> sure
2016-01-09T08:37:04 < upgrdman> but
2016-01-09T08:37:15 < upgrdman> wouldnt it still be cheaper to do two dies in a package?
2016-01-09T08:38:28 < PeterM> nah, i think for a lot of low end chips the packaging would be the most expensive part, adding a multi die packge would make that even worse
2016-01-09T08:38:43 < upgrdman> oh ok
2016-01-09T08:38:54 < ds2> they do one with an accel
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2016-01-09T08:39:09 < ds2> mems is already multidie
2016-01-09T08:39:17 < PeterM> i mean, i could see them doing it for  like the 144qft f4s or f7s
2016-01-09T08:39:30 < PeterM> but not for liek an f103
2016-01-09T08:41:48 < upgrdman> lol, on r/battlestations   http://imgur.com/sFBtzyA
2016-01-09T08:42:37 < PeterM> and?
2016-01-09T08:43:05 < PeterM> thats probably like every battlestation in japang
2016-01-09T08:43:14 < upgrdman> srsly
2016-01-09T08:43:37 < PeterM> yeah mang, everybody has phones, no real 'puters
2016-01-09T08:44:13 < upgrdman> they dont wanna do anything productive their pc's?
2016-01-09T08:46:16 < ReadError> lol just killed a 19GB chrome process
2016-01-09T08:46:20 < ReadError> how the fuck
2016-01-09T08:47:26 < PeterM> fucked if i know
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2016-01-09T09:07:36 < upgrdman> PeterM, http://i.imgur.com/0mEca7Q.jpg
2016-01-09T09:12:34 < upgrdman> honorable mention   http://imgur.com/5YJSwea
2016-01-09T09:13:41 < PeterM> is there an r/cesspoolbedrooms ?
2016-01-09T09:13:50 < upgrdman> no
2016-01-09T09:13:57 < upgrdman> but r/shittybattlestations
2016-01-09T09:16:05 < PeterM> is it full of this type of thing https://kuiliu.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/messy_room_collection_001.jpg
2016-01-09T09:16:43 < upgrdman> *nods*
2016-01-09T09:18:03 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/gallery/8IrJ4
2016-01-09T09:18:51 < PeterM> lol so much shit beer
2016-01-09T09:19:15 < PeterM> and cigarettes
2016-01-09T09:19:17 < upgrdman> lol
2016-01-09T09:19:32 < jpa-> it's important to prove that the photo of rusty garbage can is original and taken for /v/
2016-01-09T09:19:55 < upgrdman> look more like someones cum target. i dont think its rust
2016-01-09T09:20:44 < PeterM> im somewhat surprised how many of them literally are baements
2016-01-09T09:20:47 < upgrdman> well maybe its rust. "why not both"
2016-01-09T09:20:51 < PeterM> basements*
2016-01-09T09:23:50 < upgrdman> lol  https://imgur.com/gallery/cZasu
2016-01-09T09:24:55 < upgrdman> lol'd irl  http://i.imgur.com/6Jf7Qmm.jpg
2016-01-09T09:26:44 < PeterM> upgrdman, dont hate the player, hate the game
2016-01-09T09:27:16 < upgrdman> mhmm
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2016-01-09T09:38:16 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/HkegST9
2016-01-09T09:38:31 < upgrdman> for those days when you need to blend up a drink while sitting at your pc
2016-01-09T09:41:17 < PeterM> thats a bit extreme, though i can certainly understand a fridge within arms reach of the computer
2016-01-09T09:41:34 < Rob235> do you put interrupt handler function prototypes in the header file?
2016-01-09T09:41:47 < ReadError> atleast there is not pissjugs all over the place
2016-01-09T09:41:51 < upgrdman> no need for isr prototypes
2016-01-09T09:41:55 < ReadError> thats teh worst
2016-01-09T09:42:10 < upgrdman> they're already weakly defined in the startup code
2016-01-09T09:42:49 < Rob235> ok
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2016-01-09T10:32:28 < qyx> finally found the thing.. RI analog switches control register
2016-01-09T11:08:34 < PaulFertser> For getting data from a HID device to the host there's a standardised format, any host can interpret data according to the HID device descriptor. But is there some sane way to send data from a host to the device without writing custom host-side software? Seems like not...
2016-01-09T11:18:55 < PaulFertser> Something like they have to control the LEDs but this too seem to require custom host code except when it's a real keyboard with standard leds...
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2016-01-09T12:23:46 < rewolff> HID is for keyboards and mice. If what you have in your device can be keyboard or mouse data, you can send that in a standard way. And the kernel drivers will interpret it.
2016-01-09T12:24:08 < rewolff> If your device has three leds, the host drivers can control those.
2016-01-09T12:24:22 < rewolff> But outside that you'll have to have custom code. I don't see a way around that.
2016-01-09T12:25:17 < rewolff> Well.... except that if you are logging temperature, you could tell the user to open Excel , and then your logger will send 21.2 <enter> 21.2<enter> 21.1<enter> ....
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2016-01-09T12:57:37 < PaulFertser> rewolff: I know some keyboards that can be configured from host.
2016-01-09T12:59:35 < rewolff> What "configuration"? A normal kernel (windows or Linux or ... ) will just say: "You're a HID? Ok, fine welcome on board! You're a keyboard? Great. Feel free to send me keypresses whenever that happens". Why would it do anything else?
2016-01-09T13:10:46 < gordonjcp> rewolff: additional buttons?
2016-01-09T13:12:03 < rewolff> Not sure.... If I were a keyboard with more than 101 keys, I'd just send "key 204 pressed", and leave the "now start mediaplayer" to the PC.
2016-01-09T13:12:17 < gordonjcp> true
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2016-01-09T13:22:39 < zyp> yeah, there's well defined media buttons
2016-01-09T13:23:24 < zyp> but not all hosts understand all media buttons, so some keyboards ship with extra host drivers to process media key events, which might be configurable
2016-01-09T13:23:36 < rewolff> That's just an example.
2016-01-09T13:23:39 < zyp> and then you have gamer keyboards with macro keys and stuff
2016-01-09T13:23:54 < rewolff> But to configure that you need "special software".
2016-01-09T13:24:05 < zyp> I'm not sure if those are handled on host or device side
2016-01-09T13:24:14 < rewolff> Which was the original point: "do stuff" without additional software.
2016-01-09T13:24:14 < zyp> either is possible
2016-01-09T13:26:22 < zyp> PaulFertser, the point of HID is that the host driver doesn't need to know the device in detail
2016-01-09T13:26:32 < zyp> or even host software
2016-01-09T13:27:31 < zyp> you of course have to write specialized host software to use features that the OS doesn't know how to use
2016-01-09T13:28:12 < zyp> like, my arcin board is an adapter board for arcade style game controllers, it presents as a gamepad that the OS knows how to recognize
2016-01-09T13:28:26 < zyp> but it also supports a light in every button
2016-01-09T13:28:33 < zyp> individually controllable
2016-01-09T13:29:29 < zyp> the host software that it's usually used with checks the HID report descriptor for «generic indicator LED» entries, so I just need to make a list of those
2016-01-09T13:29:46 < zyp> so any HID device with generic indicator entries will work with that host software
2016-01-09T13:30:08 < zyp> so HID is still useful even for stuff not supported by the OS itself
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2016-01-09T13:35:51 < PaulFertser> zyp: I undertand the point of HID :) I just do not understand why it works only one way, why do not they have standardised descriptors for host -> device messages.
2016-01-09T13:35:59 < zyp> uh
2016-01-09T13:36:00 < zyp> it does
2016-01-09T13:36:18 < zyp> hid usage tables are full of either
2016-01-09T13:37:00 < celeron55> doesn't some version of the stlink use HID too?
2016-01-09T13:37:20 < zyp> abuse, rather
2016-01-09T13:37:22 < zyp> :)
2016-01-09T13:37:28 < celeron55> well... but it works
2016-01-09T13:37:44 < PaulFertser> But is there some generic software to control HID devices? Something that would let me set few "attributes" of int and bool type.
2016-01-09T13:37:45 < zyp> yes, but that's not relevant to this discussion
2016-01-09T13:37:59 < PaulFertser> celeron55: no, stlink doesn't use hid afaict.
2016-01-09T13:38:04 < PaulFertser> celeron55: cmsis-dap does
2016-01-09T13:38:06 < zyp> PaulFertser, doesn't linux have a devnode interface to generic hid devices?
2016-01-09T13:38:21 < zyp> PaulFertser, yes, and IIRC newer stlink supports cmsis-dap
2016-01-09T13:38:24 < PaulFertser> zyp: there's hidraw, yes.
2016-01-09T13:38:42 < PaulFertser> zyp: hm, really, stlink-v2-1? Or are there even newer?
2016-01-09T13:38:49 < zyp> I don't know
2016-01-09T13:39:02 < zyp> I've heard rumors about the nucleo boards supporting that
2016-01-09T13:39:11 < PaulFertser> stlink-v2-1 adds virtual serial port, but I haven't heard about cmsis-dap yet.
2016-01-09T13:39:13 < zyp> I don't have any nucleo boards so I havent been able to check myself
2016-01-09T13:39:16 < PaulFertser> I can just try
2016-01-09T13:39:25 < rewolff> stlink 2.1 has an extra DISK interface.
2016-01-09T13:39:47 < zyp> oh, maybe that's what I'm thinking of
2016-01-09T13:40:24 < PaulFertser> zyp: http://paste.debian.net/362839/
2016-01-09T13:41:50 < zyp> okay
2016-01-09T13:42:40 < PaulFertser> zyp: regarding host->device communication for hid, I meant I thought there should be some way to have an application that would simply present a list of "controls" that one can tweak. Like "v4l2-ctl -l"
2016-01-09T13:42:54 < rewolff> So it has three interfaces, ST-debug, mass storage and VCP.
2016-01-09T13:43:03 < PaulFertser> rewolff: yep
2016-01-09T13:43:07 < rewolff> I hadn't noticed the VCP yet.
2016-01-09T13:43:27 < zyp> PaulFertser, windows have APIs for that
2016-01-09T13:43:29 < rewolff> Does the VCP end up near the target?
2016-01-09T13:43:33 < PaulFertser> zyp: so if such a thing exists for arbitrary webcams I expected something like that for arbitrary hid devices...
2016-01-09T13:46:47 < rewolff> My Nucleo here does not automatically enumerate/add a virtual com port under Linux.
2016-01-09T13:49:05 < PaulFertser> rewolff: cdc_acm 4-1:1.2: ttyACM0: USB ACM device
2016-01-09T13:49:11 < PaulFertser> Plain nucleo, no tweaks.
2016-01-09T13:49:21 < PaulFertser> f103rb
2016-01-09T13:52:19 < rewolff> Ooops. I scanned the dmesg output, and didn't see it.
2016-01-09T13:52:55 < rewolff> The ACM0 port disappears when I disconnect the nucleo, and upon more careful scanning of the dmesg output I now see it. :=)
2016-01-09T13:54:22 < rewolff> PaulFertser: There is a driver for mass storage devices, doing mass storage. There is a (standard) driver for HID devices doing HID things. (i.e. allowing humans to interact with the computer).
2016-01-09T13:59:02 < PaulFertser> rewolff: if i can have standard means to configure a webcam, why can't I have the same to configure hid devices?
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2016-01-09T13:59:57 < rewolff> On  a webcam the standard specifies that the camera might have different resolutions, so the standard software together with the standard driver will allow you to chose one.
2016-01-09T14:00:06 < rewolff> On a keyboard,... What?
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2016-01-09T14:07:41 < PaulFertser> rewolff: no, I'm not talking about resultions.
2016-01-09T14:07:53 < PaulFertser> rewolff: any camera can expose arbitrary number of arbitrary controls.
2016-01-09T14:07:57 < PaulFertser> rewolff: check v4l2-ctl
2016-01-09T14:09:39 < ReadError> lsusb -v will show a lot of interesting bits too
2016-01-09T14:09:48 < rewolff> So: yes! the video-protocol specifies "an arbitrary number of controls" and so the software is in place to control those. Does the HID protocol expose "an arbitrary number of controls"? Maybe it does, but if it does it is not used often enough for someone to write the software for it.
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2016-01-09T14:17:16 < PaulFertser> ReadError: but not anything one can directly contlo
2016-01-09T14:29:30 < PaulFertser> Today's recaptcha is close to unsolvable, but audio option worked.
2016-01-09T14:30:34 < PaulFertser> Or is it harder when JS is disabled?
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2016-01-09T14:52:54 < dongs> sup stoners
2016-01-09T14:52:59 < dongs> watched 007/spectre it was pretty shit
2016-01-09T15:02:13 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/tD7gONc.jpg i had a pretty decent movie experience however
2016-01-09T15:07:33 < PeterM> no public masturbators?
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2016-01-09T15:29:06 < dongs> ya
2016-01-09T15:29:09 < dongs> Laurenceb_ wasnt present
2016-01-09T15:29:34 < Laurenceb_> wutwut
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2016-01-09T15:32:10 < PeterM> this just in Laurenceb_ was actualyl there
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2016-01-09T16:35:01 < dongs> BREAKING: United Airlines flight 1104 from Anchorage to Denver diverted to Vancouver Airport due to 'security concerns'; Royal Canadian Mounted Police awaits
2016-01-09T16:35:04 < dongs> RIP
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2016-01-09T16:36:09 < ReadError> both states legal weed, suspected to be involved somehow
2016-01-09T16:47:14 < dongs> rly?
2016-01-09T16:47:37 < aandrew> wtf?
2016-01-09T16:47:43 < aandrew> interesting
2016-01-09T16:47:49 < ReadError> 1st part is true, 2nd part i made up
2016-01-09T16:48:06 < aandrew> vancouver is our most weed-friendly province
2016-01-09T16:49:04 < ReadError> yea recreational is legal in both states, can buy at store
2016-01-09T16:49:18 < aandrew> yep I know
2016-01-09T16:49:38 < dongs> <aandrew> i toke a lot while routing 8L
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2016-01-09T16:58:04 < aandrew> I never said that
2016-01-09T16:58:19 < aandrew> I've smoked pot exactly twice. it's not a drug I particularly like
2016-01-09T16:58:28 < aandrew> mushrooms though... I could get into that
2016-01-09T16:58:37 < aandrew> probably acid too but I've never done any of that
2016-01-09T16:59:52 < PeterM> weed = garbage for productivity
2016-01-09T17:00:27 < PaulFertser> Alcohol too
2016-01-09T17:00:40 < dongs> no wonder lunix is shit
2016-01-09T17:00:46 < PeterM> alcohol in moderation isn't too bad - good for reading datasheets
2016-01-09T17:00:47 < dongs> all the coders are alchoholics
2016-01-09T17:02:08 < PeterM> https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12540668_10156671745555643_8337142441372717066_n.jpg?oh=ba01418cd905c7f6b2f6081ea2dc312c&oe=5704BC40
2016-01-09T17:02:18 < Sync> depends PeterM, I had issues™ with that
2016-01-09T17:02:30 < dongs> with alchohol?
2016-01-09T17:02:46 < dongs> PeterM: wat are tehy trying to do there
2016-01-09T17:02:53 < PeterM> sync its good fordoing the initial search, definitely come back later wiht a fine toothed comb though
2016-01-09T17:03:11 < Sync> yeah, fucked a footprint
2016-01-09T17:03:59 < PeterM> lol, my problem is i forget  to bookmark the part or something and cant fucking remember it when i go to put it in the design
2016-01-09T17:04:13 < dongs> i usually cache all the datasheets for a project
2016-01-09T17:04:16 < dongs> whlie im picking parts etc
2016-01-09T17:04:30 < dongs> they go into the project folder and then later i can remember what im doing and stuff
2016-01-09T17:04:47 < Sync> I started doing that aswell
2016-01-09T17:05:57 < dongs> http://notalwaysright.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/epic-fail-photos-tip-fail.jpeg
2016-01-09T17:05:57 < PeterM> i just make folders of bookmarks, but thats probably a better idea because some hosts are slow as fuck *glares at st*
2016-01-09T17:06:09 < dongs> o yeah all my ST docs are cached
2016-01-09T17:06:18 < dongs> i have a workdrive\stm32 folder for all ther shit
2016-01-09T17:06:41 < dongs> which sometimes i end up wiht old docs, but I keep the CDxxxx.pdf / DMxxx.pdf naming at the end of the file so I can update those i f i want
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2016-01-09T17:16:24 < PeterM> http://www.pornhub.com/insights/pornhub-2015-year-in-review sfw
2016-01-09T17:18:02 < ReadError> damn 75GB a sec
2016-01-09T17:19:02 < dongs> zyp is #6 in porn viewing
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2016-01-09T17:20:04 < ReadError> http://cdn1b.static.pornhub.phncdn.com/insights-static//wp-content/uploads/2015/12/1-pornhub-insights-2015-year-in-review-top-20-countries1.png
2016-01-09T17:20:07 < ReadError> india???
2016-01-09T17:20:38 < dongs> porn is probably banned in india
2016-01-09T17:21:47 < ReadError> can you imagine how disgusting porn produced in india would be
2016-01-09T17:22:33 < aandrew> yeah I like to be half in the bag when laying out or reading datasheets. it's not so good for programming or doing schematic entry though
2016-01-09T17:23:12 < ReadError> half in the bag?
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2016-01-09T17:23:31 < dongs> probly stoned/drunk
2016-01-09T17:24:58 < dongs> http://cdn1b.static.pornhub.phncdn.com/insights-static//wp-content/uploads/2015/12/3-pornhub-insights-2015-year-in-review-focus-brazil.png
2016-01-09T17:25:01 < dongs> brazil is into 3d hentai
2016-01-09T17:25:11 < kop> Hello! Who has stm32f746g-disco in US stock?
2016-01-09T17:25:51 < PeterM> nobody\
2016-01-09T17:25:59 < dongs> kop: is that the one with screen?
2016-01-09T17:26:17 < dongs> digikey has 1500 in stock BRO
2016-01-09T17:26:24 < dongs> http://www.digikey.jp/product-detail/ja/STM32F746G-DISCO/497-15680-5-ND/5267791?WT.z_cid=ref_octopart_dkc_buynow&site=jp
2016-01-09T17:26:27 < dongs> dont be so stoned
2016-01-09T17:26:57 < dongs> Broad Device Support ? Atmel AVR▒ USB Series 2/4/6/7 Software Packages and the Atmel AVR UC3 Software Framework include drivers and services for many USB classes such as High Intensity Discharge (HID), mass storage, device
2016-01-09T17:27:01 < dongs>                firmware updates, audio, and Communication Device Class (CDC), simplifying USB development.
2016-01-09T17:27:01 < PeterM> http://www.findchips.com/search/stm32f746g
2016-01-09T17:27:15 < PeterM> high intensity discharge
2016-01-09T17:27:16 < PeterM> kik'
2016-01-09T17:27:19 < PeterM> lol
2016-01-09T17:27:22 < PeterM> fuck
2016-01-09T17:27:23 < dongs> ikr
2016-01-09T17:27:30 < dongs> (this is on atmel site somewehre)
2016-01-09T17:27:34 < dongs> retweeting from stonerchan
2016-01-09T17:28:13 < dongs> according to octopart future-el has that disco for $10 less than everyon eelse
2016-01-09T17:28:26 < dongs> if their site would load
2016-01-09T17:28:28 < dongs> https://octopart.com/search?q=stm32f746g-disco
2016-01-09T17:28:54 < PeterM> i dont like cocktopart for osme reason, ui feels too complicated for something so simple
2016-01-09T17:29:16 < dongs> findchips looks like one of those gay datashgeet download sites wehre you keep clicking and nothing useful comes up
2016-01-09T17:30:02 < PeterM> front page yes, results page no
2016-01-09T17:30:25 < dongs> http://cdn1b.static.pornhub.phncdn.com/insights-static//wp-content/uploads/2015/12/4-pornhub-insights-2015-year-in-review-female-male-proportions.png
2016-01-09T17:30:28 < dongs> jap women REALLY hate porn
2016-01-09T17:31:01 < ReadError> and black women love porn apparently
2016-01-09T17:31:17 < dongs> south africa/
2016-01-09T17:31:24 < dongs> south africa is like 95% white tho
2016-01-09T17:32:22 < PeterM> iirc japan has the oldest porn viewership
2016-01-09T17:32:48 < ReadError> #1 is jamaica
2016-01-09T17:33:00 < PeterM> lol nz women
2016-01-09T17:33:03 < dongs> the fuck is tribbinb
2016-01-09T17:33:04 < dongs> tribbing
2016-01-09T17:33:07 < dongs> i probably dont wanna know
2016-01-09T17:33:25 < PeterM> tribbing = scissoring
2016-01-09T17:33:51 < PeterM> but shit
2016-01-09T17:34:16 < dongs> http://cdn1b.static.pornhub.phncdn.com/insights-static//wp-content/uploads/2015/12/4-pornhub-insights-2015-year-in-review-age-proportions.png
2016-01-09T17:34:19 < dongs> lol
2016-01-09T17:34:21 < dongs> yea so jap teens dont look at porn
2016-01-09T17:34:28 < dongs> probably too busy just taking upskirts on trains
2016-01-09T17:34:31 < dongs> no need to look at porn after that
2016-01-09T17:35:12 < ReadError> or playing with their NDS girlfriends
2016-01-09T17:35:34 < PeterM> nah probably jsut dont use pornhub, probably go to some fuckin japanese animated shit ebsite or something
2016-01-09T17:36:20 < PeterM> ReadError, got any more stereotypes?
2016-01-09T17:36:43 < ReadError> PeterM nah I seen some vice thing on it
2016-01-09T17:36:47 < ReadError> so its true
2016-01-09T17:37:02 < PeterM> its on vice, its gotta be true
2016-01-09T17:37:08 < ReadError> yea exactly
2016-01-09T17:38:46 < PeterM> what state you rom stonererror?
2016-01-09T17:39:19 < Laurenceb_> lol vice
2016-01-09T17:39:23 < Laurenceb_> SJW central
2016-01-09T17:39:31 < dongs> vice, source of super legit news
2016-01-09T17:39:41 < PeterM> <PeterM> its on vice, its gotta be true
2016-01-09T17:40:20 < PeterM> Laurenceb_, i think today i understnad why you read professional torlling/emdrive shit
2016-01-09T17:41:11 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/aydVz2u.png
2016-01-09T17:41:50 < Sync> wat
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2016-01-09T17:42:08 < PeterM> wut
2016-01-09T17:42:18 < Laurenceb_> wutwut
2016-01-09T17:43:09 < PeterM> samwise
2016-01-09T17:43:20 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/Sa0dYnK.jpg
2016-01-09T17:43:31 < ReadError> lol kawaii kitten sign
2016-01-09T17:43:40 < Sync> > gifit
2016-01-09T17:44:08 < PeterM> wheres the webm bro
2016-01-09T17:44:57 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/T68qqjb.jpg
2016-01-09T17:45:19 < ReadError> https://youtu.be/qpZbu7J7UL4?t=81
2016-01-09T17:45:25 < ReadError> thats what i was looking for
2016-01-09T17:45:25 < Laurenceb_> eugenics tiem
2016-01-09T17:45:29 < Laurenceb_> darWIN
2016-01-09T17:49:50 < PeterM> ReadError, thats garbagte, if dongs has taught me anything, its that someone in japan wouldn't settle for elss than a 4k girlfriend
2016-01-09T17:49:57 < PeterM> garbage even
2016-01-09T17:50:33 < ReadError> ehhh maybe they like keeping them in their pocket
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2016-01-09T17:52:44 < PeterM> ReadError, why do you think sony came otu with a 4k phone
2016-01-09T17:53:36 < ReadError> fair enough
2016-01-09T18:10:29 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvE84AGMWpE
2016-01-09T18:10:33 < dongs> stoner news
2016-01-09T18:10:40 < dongs> https://youtu.be/IvE84AGMWpE?t=30
2016-01-09T18:10:42 < dongs> more specifically here
2016-01-09T18:10:48 < dongs> also fucking fuck, FUCK youtu.BE links
2016-01-09T18:11:01 < dongs> if I actually lived in .be i would fucking vote to get google the fuck out of ther
2016-01-09T18:14:02 < Steffanx> poor dongs
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2016-01-09T18:26:03 < dongs> noflyzano.com expiring end of january
2016-01-09T18:26:07 < dongs> let it go, right?
2016-01-09T18:26:10 < dongs> zano is dead as BSD
2016-01-09T18:26:42 < Laurenceb_> need to troll jeri ellsworthless
2016-01-09T18:26:45 < Laurenceb_> and emdrive
2016-01-09T18:30:30 < dongs> Laurenceb_: find me forum/blag post about ellisworthless almost ruining C64 proj
2016-01-09T18:30:39 < dongs> where it was only halfassed and people had to be hired to complete it
2016-01-09T18:39:04 < Steffanx> How is that castAR getting allong?
2016-01-09T18:39:08 < dongs> failed
2016-01-09T18:39:13 < dongs> everyone refunded
2016-01-09T18:39:22 < dongs> "when we're d one, everyone who paid will receive a free consumer version"
2016-01-09T18:42:41 < BrainDamage> oculus is committing suicide by now trying to compete with valve and create it's own content distribution system
2016-01-09T18:42:56 < BrainDamage> by this rate, it seems that no VR project will come out alive
2016-01-09T18:43:22 < ReadError> https://imgur.com/gallery/UwLkKTA
2016-01-09T18:45:10 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/S9DebvH.webm def japan
2016-01-09T18:46:50 < Laurenceb_> webm on imgur
2016-01-09T18:46:52 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2016-01-09T18:47:40 < BrainDamage> it's years it supports it
2016-01-09T19:02:45  * KreAture_ wonders when there will be a new stm32l051 silicon revision
2016-01-09T19:03:44 < KreAture_> ReadError spot on
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2016-01-09T19:08:35 < dongs> ugh
2016-01-09T19:08:45 < dongs> i pressed something in altidong and now i get super bright red mask fading in when i move over pads
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2016-01-09T19:09:57 < dongs> k ts gone
2016-01-09T19:14:00 < Lux> interesting read: https://matt.sh/howto-c
2016-01-09T19:14:11 < Lux> altough not all the stuff he mentions there is good imo
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2016-01-09T19:16:21 < dongs> C99 allows variable declarations anywhere
2016-01-09T19:16:27 < dongs> err yeah but fuck right off with that
2016-01-09T19:16:56 < Lux> yep
2016-01-09T19:17:30 < Lux> arduino turds use that far too much
2016-01-09T19:22:25 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4H2tnAgHcM lol
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2016-01-09T20:27:49 < karlp> nothing wrong with declaring vars at the beginnin of scopes, inside for loops and stuff
2016-01-09T20:28:14 < XTL> fpa declaring wars
2016-01-09T20:28:33 < XTL> still worked :)
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2016-01-09T21:01:02 < englishman> BrainDamage: I thought this was funny, if every vr headset has its own walled garden of appz then it basically dooms all projects except for 1 or 2
2016-01-09T21:01:35 < englishman> hddvd vs bluray, vhs vs betamax, dreamcast vs the world
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2016-01-09T21:02:54 < englishman> but I guess Facebook money made them look at the 5 year picture and realize forcing people to be locked into your shit is the only way to sell your overpriced inferior crap when it lags behind other tech in 5 years
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2016-01-09T21:12:58 < celeron55> facebook is in quite an unfair position for marketing something too
2016-01-09T21:13:18 < celeron55> no matter what they do, they can force it on their users which is almost absolutely everyone
2016-01-09T21:17:29  * KreAture_ checks to see if englishman is in new york
2016-01-09T21:20:51 < englishman> ?
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2016-01-09T21:30:06 < KreAture_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d27gTrPPAyk
2016-01-09T21:37:14 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-01-09T21:37:27  * KreAture_ reveals his age with an anchient cuktural reference
2016-01-09T21:37:31 < KreAture_> cultural
2016-01-09T21:44:52  * PaulFertser should probably download some Police tracks to the portable player, kudos KreAture_ 
2016-01-09T21:45:23 < PaulFertser> R2COM: old "faggot" band
2016-01-09T21:46:21 < PaulFertser> Sting got popular playing with it.
2016-01-09T21:46:37 < KreAture_> hehe PaulFertser
2016-01-09T21:47:11 < KreAture_> R2COM not anymore it's been beat a LOT
2016-01-09T21:48:26 < KreAture_> R2COM https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ryangrepper/coolest-cooler-21st-century-cooler-thats-actually
2016-01-09T21:48:36 < KreAture_> $13M
2016-01-09T21:48:51 < KreAture_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/elanlee/exploding-kittens
2016-01-09T21:48:54 < KreAture_> $8M
2016-01-09T21:49:07 < KreAture_> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-time-awesome-smartwatch-no-compromises
2016-01-09T21:49:10 < KreAture_> $20M
2016-01-09T21:49:29 < KreAture_> I mean, THHGTTG was right, we still think digital watches are a neat idea, LOL
2016-01-09T21:50:25 < KreAture_> yes, that is just KS stuff
2016-01-09T21:51:02 < KreAture_> and remember, that was barely enough to pay for handling requests of the type "when will I get my packet" "My packet is missing" etc, they had to ship a million decs after all
2016-01-09T21:51:15 < KreAture_> 2% erro in shipping etc
2016-01-09T21:51:36 < KreAture_> But, they did get all game carrying shops to take in their game later, which made up for it
2016-01-09T21:51:48 < KreAture_> They had to hire someone just to handle all the nagging
2016-01-09T21:52:04 < KreAture_> lol, there is a nice writeup on how it turned into a nightmare
2016-01-09T21:52:26 < KreAture_> They managed to make money on it, but it was not nearly as golden as it seems on KS
2016-01-09T21:52:34 < KreAture_> magic of numbers
2016-01-09T21:53:12 < KreAture_> You have to remember that the cost of the dec is the smallest cost in the entire shipment
2016-01-09T21:53:26 < KreAture_> The "gift" they promised turne dout to be just as costly to pack in there
2016-01-09T21:53:31 < KreAture_> and the box itself is as expensive
2016-01-09T21:53:43 < KreAture_> It's an interesting read
2016-01-09T21:54:09 < KreAture_> what managers, this was a group of ppl making a game
2016-01-09T21:54:55 < KreAture_> KS takes a lot more of the money than you realize too
2016-01-09T21:55:13 < KreAture_> http://www.polygon.com/2015/2/25/8102751/exploding-kittens-kickstarter-rich
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2016-01-09T21:58:37 < KreAture_> It's about how someone claimed they ran off with millions each
2016-01-09T21:58:40 < KreAture_> They didn't
2016-01-09T21:59:00 < KreAture_> There were much more costs than those claiming millions had accounted for
2016-01-09T22:00:04 < KreAture_> cards, packing cards, designing giftbox, printing giftbox, boxing cards in gift box, Buying and adding the special gift, then shipping, then handling the returns, mislabels, wrong addresses, requests for tracking etc etc
2016-01-09T22:00:30 < KreAture_> They thought they had planned well, and they thought they had not undersold.  Still it turned out they didn't have as big a buffer as they thought
2016-01-09T22:00:59 < KreAture_> They did end up well off though, I'd say each ended up with a small 6-figure sum
2016-01-09T22:01:06 < KreAture_> but nowhere near millions
2016-01-09T22:01:09 < KreAture_> not even total
2016-01-09T22:01:16 < KreAture_> split 3 ways remember
2016-01-09T22:01:32 < KreAture_> anyway, the science of ks is magic in that way
2016-01-09T22:01:42 < KreAture_> I see so many project explode in size as they go viral
2016-01-09T22:02:07 < KreAture_> That's when it usually go wrong as the increased volume often do not mean much cheaper manufacture
2016-01-09T22:02:28 < KreAture_> and the rest is getting more expensive, for example adding warehouse costs before shipping
2016-01-09T22:02:55 < KreAture_> If there is no new way to mfg it does not change
2016-01-09T22:03:09 < KreAture_> if you are already past 100000 copies mark and go to a million all you get are expenses
2016-01-09T22:03:17  * KreAture_ works with product design and manufacture
2016-01-09T22:03:36 < KreAture_> For cardgame which is essentially printing, the scale quickly tops out
2016-01-09T22:03:44 < KreAture_> modern production equipment is so fast to scale
2016-01-09T22:03:52 < KreAture_> The startup cost is low vs before
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2016-01-09T22:04:10 < KreAture_> and as you increase mfg, the stock handling gets expensive.  You need to feed the press
2016-01-09T22:04:23 < KreAture_> I work with electronics, but one of our girls does packaging
2016-01-09T22:04:44 < KreAture_> she's been explaining how the box mfg/printing stuff has changed the last 10 years
2016-01-09T22:04:52 < KreAture_> boxing
2016-01-09T22:04:54 < KreAture_> as in cardbopard
2016-01-09T22:05:00 < KreAture_> -p
2016-01-09T22:05:02 < KreAture_> lol
2016-01-09T22:05:45 < KreAture_> anyways, it's easier in electronics as there is still margins. 1000 units of a cpu vs 100000 gives a good break.  Fom there though, it is not all that super
2016-01-09T22:06:19 < KreAture_> hehe, if you go the china route you need to add a person to manage that, as china tends to deliver a box perfectly for 1 month, then suddently the box is wrong
2016-01-09T22:06:28 < KreAture_> been there, lived the nightmare
2016-01-09T22:06:39 < KreAture_> sometimes they add "helpfull changes"
2016-01-09T22:06:41 < KreAture_> lol
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2016-01-09T22:08:40 < fenugrec> Just out of curiosity... who uses an RTOS on small(er) F0 devices,  like F072 with only 16k RAM ? I'm used to cooking up hand-rolled ISRs, disabling interrupts for shared data access, etc... but I'm curious at what point does it make more sense to move to an RTOS or framework. I'm very much aware this can get religious / inflammable, I know better than to ask "which is best" , especially on ##stm32 p-)
2016-01-09T22:10:35 < KreAture_> fenugrec I do
2016-01-09T22:11:17 < KreAture_> fenugrec when for example the goal is to allow very fast customization and adding of processes monitoring stuff, displaying new stuff etc, an rtos is a great way to ensure the addons can be written very straightforward
2016-01-09T22:26:06 < PaulFertser> fenugrec: I liked freertos even on atmega128 (4k sram)
2016-01-09T22:40:53 < KreAture_> I have had great success with freertos
2016-01-09T22:42:23 < upgrdman> lol https://i.imgur.com/qYbv5D9.gifv
2016-01-09T22:45:37 < celeron55> R2COM: you want to understand the limitations of the rtos well because otherwise designing stuff that actually works can be impossible
2016-01-09T22:46:05 < celeron55> as long as you understand where its magic ends, it will be useful
2016-01-09T22:47:00 < celeron55> that i don't know; hopefully someone does
2016-01-09T22:51:41 < KreAture_> LOL
2016-01-09T22:54:46 < KreAture_> Yo udon't need it, but it may be welcome if you do not like the "do this and ignore everything else" "Then do this and ignore that other stuff" type coding
2016-01-09T23:01:20 < Rob235> 400 lines of code and it compiled first try with no errors, I wonder if it does what it's supposed to though :)
2016-01-09T23:02:38 < celeron55> R2COM: freertos is rather simple and stable; it's unlikely you will get problems from it in any other way than misuse
2016-01-09T23:02:39 < PaulFertser> R2COM: no, lwIP can be used without any RTOS nicely.
2016-01-09T23:02:41 < celeron55> but it's easily misused
2016-01-09T23:05:09 < PaulFertser> In my experience FreeRTOS seemed very solid. But of course when you have several tasks that adds some complexity, you have to care not to overflow every task's individual stack, you have to not introduce deadlocks or race conditions, you have to care about how you read and write global variables etc.
2016-01-09T23:05:59 < celeron55> yeah; you get a numbere of nasty failure conditions
2016-01-09T23:06:03 < celeron55> number*
2016-01-09T23:06:12 < KreAture_> R2COM so in essence, every time you receive a network packet, you want everything else your device does to stop?
2016-01-09T23:06:17 < KreAture_> That's why I like rtos
2016-01-09T23:06:24 < KreAture_> You can prioritize
2016-01-09T23:06:31 < KreAture_> but still keep stuff running
2016-01-09T23:06:35 < celeron55> in freertos everything else than the currently executing task is stopped
2016-01-09T23:07:14 < celeron55> and will run until the task yields, right?
2016-01-09T23:07:37 < KreAture_> not necessarily
2016-01-09T23:08:01 < KreAture_> For example, you may have a task with high priority interrupts triggering that task to run again, even though another task was really running
2016-01-09T23:08:23 < KreAture_> also, the os can determine that a low pri thread can run a short while before being muxed with another etc
2016-01-09T23:08:29 < KreAture_> so they both get to do some work
2016-01-09T23:08:40 < KreAture_> The thread does not have to cooperate to be switched
2016-01-09T23:08:50 < PaulFertser> Also, preemptive mode is available (and I guess it's used more often than cooperative with explicit yields).
2016-01-09T23:09:02 < KreAture_> infact you can do 3 threads all low pri and have em all run a while(1) {Keep looking for something}
2016-01-09T23:09:22 < KreAture_> They are all being ego maniacs
2016-01-09T23:09:27 < KreAture_> but the os fixes that
2016-01-09T23:09:38 < KreAture_> Multitasked buisy waits
2016-01-09T23:09:38 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-01-09T23:10:08 < PaulFertser> FreeRTOs also support priority inversion when it automatically temporarily promotes a low-priority task to a high priority if it holds a mutex that some high priority task sleeps on.
2016-01-09T23:10:24 < kakimir> https://fat.gfycat.com/ImpoliteSinfulBuzzard.webm
2016-01-09T23:11:50 < PaulFertser> R2COM: I'd say if you're already doing something without RTOS and want to add ethernet connectivity to that device, do not bother to add RTOS, just add an IP stack.
2016-01-09T23:12:47 < Fleck> https://youtu.be/3KInXvWoq9U?t=1685 :DD
2016-01-09T23:19:19 < kakimir> how they sustain civilization there?
2016-01-09T23:20:23 < KreAture_> PaulFertser yeah, I forgot about that, very nifty
2016-01-09T23:22:48 < PaulFertser> Most ICs are not rated for -55C. And any engine will need preheating to start etc etc. Life there must be crazily complicated, with unclear (from a regular person pov) benefits (but high wage probably).
2016-01-09T23:23:58 < Sync> pfft preheating PaulFertser
2016-01-09T23:24:04 < Sync> just get a lada
2016-01-09T23:24:47 < Sync> the fuck
2016-01-09T23:24:48 < Sync> why
2016-01-09T23:25:22 < PaulFertser> Sync: I actually had lada (vaz 21013) and it started ok in -25C. Couldn't test -50C as Moscow is not in Siberia luckily.
2016-01-09T23:25:36 < Sync> nah
2016-01-09T23:25:40 < Sync> it takes them long enough to wear
2016-01-09T23:25:56 < PaulFertser> R2COM: by preheating I meant using a torch or other means to heat the engine before starting it.
2016-01-09T23:26:14 < Sync> you mean warm up
2016-01-09T23:26:22 < PaulFertser> Won't work in -50C.
2016-01-09T23:26:58 < PaulFertser> What car is?..
2016-01-09T23:26:59 < Sync> modern engines will just seize shut in -50°C
2016-01-09T23:27:21 < PaulFertser> That's the point, not much is designed for -50C but people in Yakutks etc have to live there.
2016-01-09T23:28:45 < Sync> ah the Жигули
2016-01-09T23:28:46 < Sync> yeah
2016-01-09T23:31:11 < PaulFertser> They just do not stop the car ever during the winter :)
2016-01-09T23:31:19 < Sync> well I guess people have block heaters there as well
2016-01-09T23:31:31 < Sync> if you have a commercial vehicle it is common to leave them idling
2016-01-09T23:31:41 < Sync> like proper truck sized
2016-01-09T23:32:08 < Fleck> I have seen video where guy makes fire under car to preheat :D
2016-01-09T23:32:44 < Sync> well, airbags just use accels
2016-01-09T23:33:03 < Sync> no shit
2016-01-09T23:33:23 < PaulFertser> R2COM: http://info.drom.ru/misc/26993/
2016-01-09T23:36:59 < PaulFertser> LCD lagging is normal that's how LCDs work...
2016-01-09T23:37:14 < Sync> http://s.rdrom.ru/4/pubs/4483/26993/1337756.JPG oh wow that must be a shitty job
2016-01-09T23:37:33 < PaulFertser> Not when it's that cold.
2016-01-09T23:39:10 < Sync> it took me a while to realize it says center
2016-01-09T23:39:58 < celeron55> i wonder how much you can do by using some 0W oil in an engine
2016-01-09T23:40:11 < englishman> R2COM: what American car did you buy
2016-01-09T23:40:15 < celeron55> i wonder if they do -5W or something
2016-01-09T23:41:17 < celeron55> like, as long as the oil flows well enough, is there anything particularly bad that the low temperature can do?
2016-01-09T23:41:29 < Sync> yes
2016-01-09T23:41:32 < Sync> it reduces clearances
2016-01-09T23:41:55 < Sync> the best thing is to use an oil that changes its viscosity less than others
2016-01-09T23:42:15 < Sync> there are a lot of videos of russians experimenting with that on youtube
2016-01-09T23:42:46 < celeron55> well the point of 0W-40 or such oils is that they don't get thick when they get cold
2016-01-09T23:44:06 < celeron55> everything else is kind of fine, but batteries lose most of their output power
2016-01-09T23:44:29 < celeron55> but not all of it
2016-01-09T23:44:49 < celeron55> so it might be a pretty reliable way to move a vehicle
2016-01-09T23:44:56 < celeron55> even if it doesn't have nearly full power
2016-01-09T23:45:32 < Sync> well compare different 0W oils at -40°C and you will see a huge difference
2016-01-09T23:47:11 < celeron55> i actually tested a flightmax 3S 4Ah 40C lipo yesterday and today; i used a 0.6ohm load first with the battery at around -25°C and then at around 25°C
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2016-01-09T23:48:34 < celeron55> it went from about 84 mOhm of internal resistance to about 32 mOhm
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2016-01-09T23:49:10 < celeron55> so it was still kind of useful altough very under-performing at -25°C
2016-01-09T23:49:52 < celeron55> but that's not -55
2016-01-09T23:51:05 < celeron55> i didn't have any kind of real temperature control so i couldn't get more data points and i was lazy anyway so can't really extrapolate
2016-01-09T23:51:35 < celeron55> i just took the battery from outside :P
2016-01-09T23:52:15 < celeron55> i don't think they have a specification
2016-01-09T23:53:29 < celeron55> i wonder if they have any liquid in them that might solidify and fuck up the physical structure at some low temperature
2016-01-09T23:53:44 < celeron55> if not, then there isn't really any lower bound
2016-01-09T23:53:51 < celeron55> the chemistry will just stop working
2016-01-09T23:53:59 < celeron55> and start working again when heated up
2016-01-09T23:55:18 < celeron55> when heating up, i would stay away from one if it's "hot to the touch"
2016-01-09T23:55:38 < celeron55> well it depends
2016-01-09T23:57:38 < celeron55> i'm not an expert of any kind (as if experts knew anything anyway), but there are different chemistries like LiCoO2, LiFePO4 and whatnot, which i think mostly determine how aggressively the battery will burn
2016-01-09T23:58:30 < celeron55> i might be wrong but i think most of the RC and consumer stuff is LiCoO2, independently of whether it's li-ion or li-polymer
2016-01-09T23:59:46 < celeron55> Li and O2 look fun in that combination
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2016-01-10T00:00:06 < celeron55> i'd guess so
2016-01-10T00:00:42 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc6QCn_roLc :D
2016-01-10T00:00:44 < celeron55> i can say for certain that the 0C limit doesn't really apply in practice; it's just the lower limit where they think the performance specs will hold
2016-01-10T00:00:49 < celeron55> 0°C
2016-01-10T00:01:04 < celeron55> it won't break below it
2016-01-10T00:02:31 < Fleck> yeah :)
2016-01-10T00:03:47 < celeron55> just needs some catalytic converters; it'll be fine!
2016-01-10T00:08:50 < Sync> overfueling badly
2016-01-10T00:08:58 < Sync> it probably had some intake heater at some point
2016-01-10T00:09:44 < upgrdman> R2COM, how do the usb cable fail? wires snap in the cold?
2016-01-10T00:11:25 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-10T00:11:37 < upgrdman> does usb work again after warm up?
2016-01-10T00:12:01 < Sync> R2COM: classic overfueling when it cannot combust all diesel
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2016-01-10T00:28:11 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYP9WzqWkAATNPp.jpg
2016-01-10T00:29:32 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-01-10T00:36:42 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/S9DebvH.gifv
2016-01-10T00:41:41 < Steffanx> you should keep on track of the crap already posted here Laurenceb_ !
2016-01-10T00:46:00 < Steffanx> wtf is wrong with you Laurenceb_?
2016-01-10T00:46:58 < Steffanx> [17:45:10] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/S9DebvH.webm def japan
2016-01-10T00:46:58 < Steffanx> [17:46:50] <Laurenceb_> webm on imgur
2016-01-10T00:46:58 < Steffanx> [17:46:52] <Laurenceb_> interesting
2016-01-10T00:46:58 < Steffanx> ..
2016-01-10T00:46:58 < Steffanx> [23:36:42] <Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/S9DebvH.gifv
2016-01-10T00:47:27 < Laurenceb_> thats gifv
2016-01-10T00:48:49 < Steffanx> yes, so? .webm redirects to .gifv (here)
2016-01-10T00:55:56 < Steffanx> second time in a week Laurenceb_ reoports something he posted or he knows someone else posted.
2016-01-10T00:56:28 < Steffanx> Something must be wrong. Its our duty to be worried.
2016-01-10T00:56:48 < Laurenceb_> troll burnout
2016-01-10T00:57:40 < Steffanx> aj.
2016-01-10T00:59:55 < upgrdman> the trollercoaster derailed
2016-01-10T01:04:28 < Fleck> ;p
2016-01-10T01:12:08 < Steffanx> hi Fleck
2016-01-10T01:12:21 < Fleck> hello Steffanx
2016-01-10T01:22:20 < rewolff> R2COM: Weird battery. Printed on the battery 10Ah, in title 4Ah. In short description 3000mAh = 3Ah. In specs: 1.3Ah.
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2016-01-10T01:51:51 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/Coalburning/comments/1hu0j5/coal_burning/
2016-01-10T02:05:15 < kakimir> doing basic task on computer takes time to check all Laurenceb_'s links + the task itself
2016-01-10T02:05:40 < kakimir> but thats nothing... some people use facebook
2016-01-10T02:06:33 < kakimir> basically rendering computer or such device useless as it takes hours to get basic tasks done
2016-01-10T02:07:57 < Laurenceb_> lol
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2016-01-10T02:22:30 < upgrdman> seems like some motor run capacitors have very very low esr and others are just typical esr. is there any way to find out what type is super low esr? like is there a name for it, other than "low esr"
2016-01-10T02:36:04 < upgrdman> fuck it. i'll just buy a Celem cap and be done with it.
2016-01-10T02:39:54 < Sync> :)
2016-01-10T02:39:59 < Sync> just as I said
2016-01-10T02:40:03 < Sync> ;)
2016-01-10T02:45:20 < upgrdman> problem is i need like 5uF
2016-01-10T02:45:26 < upgrdman> and all the used one on ebay are <1uF
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2016-01-10T02:46:49 < Sync> o0 5µF
2016-01-10T02:47:19 < upgrdman> ya my coil is much smaller than some industrial one
2016-01-10T02:47:33 < upgrdman> im not doing like 50kW. im doing like 0.5kW
2016-01-10T02:47:56 < Laurenceb_> what the heck are you building?
2016-01-10T02:47:57 < Sync> I have 1µF and it is fine
2016-01-10T02:48:03 < Sync> at 500W you can use wima FKP1
2016-01-10T02:48:05 < Laurenceb_> what voltage?
2016-01-10T02:48:14 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, already built. refining my induction heater
2016-01-10T02:48:16 < Sync> or I send you two rifa GTO caps
2016-01-10T02:48:22 < Laurenceb_> oh
2016-01-10T02:51:13 < upgrdman> wtf are Schoopage Contacts
2016-01-10T02:51:32 < upgrdman> Sync, i google rifa gto... no dice. wtf are they? link?
2016-01-10T02:52:17 < Sync> https://www.pollin.de/shop/downloads/D200319D.PDF
2016-01-10T02:52:41 < Sync> 1200V 4µF
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2016-01-10T03:02:26 < kakimir> okay windows started immidietelly formating sd card with broken filesystem
2016-01-10T03:03:48 < upgrdman> Sync, why rifa caps do you have, and what price were you thinking of
2016-01-10T03:03:52 < upgrdman> s/why/what
2016-01-10T03:04:19 < Sync> I already told you
2016-01-10T03:04:36 < upgrdman> <Sync> or I send you two rifa GTO caps
2016-01-10T03:04:40 < upgrdman> you didnt say price
2016-01-10T03:04:45 < Sync> look for the link
2016-01-10T03:04:47 < Sync> ;)
2016-01-10T03:04:51 < Sync> maybe 10€ each
2016-01-10T03:05:18 < upgrdman> you run pollin?
2016-01-10T03:07:13 < bilboquet_> hi, is that  I/O pins keep their states level state in high sleep mode.
2016-01-10T03:09:41 < Sync> no I don't run pollin
2016-01-10T03:09:57 < Sync> but they just happen to hae the datasheet
2016-01-10T03:11:55 < bilboquet_> ok thanks
2016-01-10T03:12:55 < kakimir>  I think last time I saw table surface was 2years ago https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKQjhpb1dldnhpdW8/view?usp=sharing
2016-01-10T03:13:18 < kakimir> I need more wall sockets
2016-01-10T03:13:26 < upgrdman> kakimir, what is that big duct for? you blow your load into it or somethin?
2016-01-10T03:13:46 < kakimir> I suck projects with it
2016-01-10T03:13:55 < kakimir> and then I can start another one
2016-01-10T03:14:15 < kakimir> when project interfering new projects is gone
2016-01-10T03:14:31 < kakimir> see how little project shit is gathered under the duct
2016-01-10T03:14:40 < kakimir> it's to be sucked
2016-01-10T03:15:33 < kakimir> there is tig welding machine right to table
2016-01-10T03:15:54 < kakimir> finally have all the boards and parts to create controller for it
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2016-01-10T03:29:46 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-01-10T03:30:39 < kakimir> sup dongs
2016-01-10T03:30:54 < upgrdman> supgrdman
2016-01-10T03:32:06 < bilboquet_> SupNewbie question, what is a best range R1 value for low consumption ? as nfet is controlled by voltage can i set to R1  a very high value.
2016-01-10T03:32:13 < bilboquet_> http://i.imgur.com/E9tiHrE.png
2016-01-10T03:32:46 < dongs> i dont think you wanna use a nfet there
2016-01-10T03:32:52 < dongs> you'll be powering the flash throughI/O lines anyway.
2016-01-10T03:33:22 < kakimir> that looks scary
2016-01-10T03:33:41 < kakimir> pmos the positive supply
2016-01-10T03:34:09 < dongs> see how much flash d raws at max usage
2016-01-10T03:34:14 < dongs> and just run it off gpio if its <= 20mA
2016-01-10T03:34:54 < kakimir> you mean some high currenct gpio pin?
2016-01-10T03:35:08 < bilboquet_> I did well to ask !
2016-01-10T03:35:19 < dongs> kakimir: well, anything other than PC13/14/154
2016-01-10T03:35:24 < dongs> since those are like 2mA current handling
2016-01-10T03:35:28 < dongs> but i thinkothers can do better?
2016-01-10T03:35:52 < dongs> but yeah, gpio-> vcc of whatever chip
2016-01-10T03:36:04 < dongs> if it doesnt draw a lot of current, you can turn it on/off that way.
2016-01-10T03:36:53 < kakimir> or connect gpio to pmos gate and modulate positive supply it there is mismatch between source and sink current
2016-01-10T03:37:00 < dongs> sure
2016-01-10T03:38:40 < dongs> and a good pmos for that is IRLML6401
2016-01-10T03:38:54 < kakimir> why so?
2016-01-10T03:39:13 < dongs> very low rdson, 1.8V logic level
2016-01-10T03:39:20 < kakimir> oh
2016-01-10T03:39:26 < kakimir> how about price?
2016-01-10T03:39:33 < dongs> i duno i buy them on reels
2016-01-10T03:40:12 < bilboquet_> thanks for your help <3
2016-01-10T03:40:14 < bilboquet_> :)
2016-01-10T03:40:19 < kakimir> I need to buy those pmosses
2016-01-10T03:40:41 < kakimir> only part actually I know I'm running out already
2016-01-10T03:42:31 < upgrdman> Sync, have you made an ind. htr?
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2016-01-10T03:44:47 < kakimir> dongs: how much you have those?
2016-01-10T03:45:05 < kakimir> have some excess of them?
2016-01-10T03:45:31 < Sync> yes upgrdman
2016-01-10T03:45:39 < upgrdman> got pix?
2016-01-10T03:47:13 < Sync> no
2016-01-10T03:53:10 < dongs> NDA pix
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2016-01-10T03:56:08 < kakimir> dongs: mind some letter exchange?
2016-01-10T03:56:10 < dongs> kakimir: i duno, i have a bunch always, is it even gonna be worth sending? i pay something like 6c/ea @ reel
2016-01-10T03:56:36 < kakimir> hmm
2016-01-10T03:56:55 < kakimir> should I buy a reel of those
2016-01-10T03:57:02 < dongs> no
2016-01-10T03:57:13 < dongs> cuz a reel is 3k
2016-01-10T03:57:26 < kakimir> you have 3k?
2016-01-10T03:57:29 < dongs> youi'll never assburger that many projects in your life
2016-01-10T03:57:32 < aandrew> I recall that dongs loves those fets
2016-01-10T03:57:38 < aandrew> there were some other heavier power ones too IIRC
2016-01-10T03:57:39 < dongs> i have more than that since i';m using them in a few projects
2016-01-10T03:57:40 < kakimir> dongs: it's true
2016-01-10T03:58:05 < dongs> oh FUCKSAKE
2016-01-10T03:58:08 < dongs> i just tried closing calc.exe
2016-01-10T03:58:11 < dongs> and guess what popped up
2016-01-10T03:58:19 < aandrew> bluescreen?
2016-01-10T03:58:21 < kakimir> and I think it's better to have seperate prodution parts anyways
2016-01-10T03:58:31 < aandrew> or whatever the latest windows "oops I fucked up" colour is these days is
2016-01-10T03:58:40 < dongs> even better
2016-01-10T03:58:47 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/PFbHeqM.png
2016-01-10T03:59:09 < aandrew> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2016-01-10T03:59:13 < dongs> fuckingggggggggggg
2016-01-10T03:59:28 < aandrew> you sold your soul
2016-01-10T03:59:32 < aandrew> now they want you to rate the experience
2016-01-10T03:59:35 < kakimir> so they make all windows orginal programs unusable one by one
2016-01-10T03:59:36 < dongs> i want my fucking native calc.exe back
2016-01-10T03:59:50 < dongs> not this bullshit monkeystore app
2016-01-10T03:59:56 < kakimir> with their store / microsoft account sgit
2016-01-10T03:59:57 < aandrew> yeah I hear you
2016-01-10T03:59:58 < kakimir> shit
2016-01-10T04:00:07 < dongs> well, i dont have a microsoft account
2016-01-10T04:00:13 < kakimir> me neather
2016-01-10T04:00:14 < aandrew> I still have an actual plastic calculator in my folio case
2016-01-10T04:00:15 < dongs> thus i cant even rate that trash at the store
2016-01-10T04:00:16 < kakimir> and will not have
2016-01-10T04:00:23 < dongs> i migth have to just get a desk calc
2016-01-10T04:00:27 < dongs> cuz i suck at math so hard
2016-01-10T04:00:34 < dongs> i usuall start calc.exe to add/subtract anything > 10
2016-01-10T04:00:37 < aandrew> although I admit 99% of the time I open a term tab and pull up bc
2016-01-10T04:01:17 < aandrew> yeah I embarass myself all the time with what i use a calc for
2016-01-10T04:01:58 < dongs> thats ok. lately i've been doing some pretty hardcore math in my head when at convenience stores and shit
2016-01-10T04:02:04 < dongs> to try and get even change
2016-01-10T04:02:17 < dongs> im getting better
2016-01-10T04:02:25 < dongs> but i still fire up calc to do something like 13+25
2016-01-10T04:02:55 < kakimir> are you enterpreuner dongs ?
2016-01-10T04:02:55 < BrainDamage> during exams sometimes i was so nervous i ended up double checking 2*2 with my calculator
2016-01-10T04:02:58 < dongs> more like real stoner
2016-01-10T04:03:19 < dongs> during MY exams, calculators werent even allowed
2016-01-10T04:03:20 < kakimir> do you do like dayjob off-dongs one?
2016-01-10T04:03:41 < BrainDamage> during math exams calculators were forbidden
2016-01-10T04:03:45 < dongs> which is probly why i failed calculus 101 like 3 times before giving up
2016-01-10T04:04:08 < yan_> i think i messed up my stm32l1's reset handler and it's now sitting in a reset loop, looks like i can't intercept it with stlink v2/openocd. is there a common way to recover from that?
2016-01-10T04:04:10 < dongs> kakimir: i'm an internet troll
2016-01-10T04:04:18 < dongs> yan_: yeah, hold reset down while connecting
2016-01-10T04:04:30 < yan_> dongs: tried that, i hold reset, start openocd, then let go when it's attempting to connect
2016-01-10T04:04:32 < yan_> nothing
2016-01-10T04:04:37 < yan_> im also passing '-c "reset halt"'
2016-01-10T04:04:40 < dongs> then you're doing somethign else work
2016-01-10T04:04:41 < kakimir> dongs: how much they pay you?
2016-01-10T04:04:44 < dongs> err something else wrong
2016-01-10T04:04:56 < dongs> kakimir: i get paid per blogpost/irc line. fucking millionaire.
2016-01-10T04:05:18 < aandrew> hm I have more in common with dongs than I thought
2016-01-10T04:05:20 < kakimir> I almost believe you
2016-01-10T04:05:26 < aandrew> I too failed calc
2016-01-10T04:05:26 < dongs> yan_: what makes you think a 'reset handler' wouldn't be stoppable from over SWD?
2016-01-10T04:05:50 < dongs> if you can't connect under physical reset button/pin held down+released, something else is wrong
2016-01-10T04:06:15 < dongs> R2COM: tru fax
2016-01-10T04:06:18 < dongs> < 100% retard
2016-01-10T04:06:21 < aandrew> R2COM: ouch, thanks :-)
2016-01-10T04:06:22 < yan_> dongs: this is only happening with the most recent flashing, LED blinks that's configured in software, it's definitely spinning somewhere in software
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2016-01-10T04:06:34 < dongs> yan_: ah, hm.
2016-01-10T04:06:48 < kakimir> dongs: please show some professional trolling in blogs?
2016-01-10T04:06:57 < yan_> it's erratic, but still blinking
2016-01-10T04:07:07 < Laurenceb_> dongs has a PhD in trolling
2016-01-10T04:07:17 < dongs> R2COM: i think thats basically what i did
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2016-01-10T04:08:05 < Laurenceb_> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120918104743AACJweg
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2016-01-10T04:09:04 < aandrew> R2COM: I failed it in hs, not uni
2016-01-10T04:09:06 < aandrew> never went to uni
2016-01-10T04:09:21 < aandrew> I helped all my uni friends with their EE labls
2016-01-10T04:09:23 < aandrew> er bals
2016-01-10T04:09:24 < aandrew> fuck
2016-01-10T04:09:25 < aandrew> labs
2016-01-10T04:09:52 < dongs> balls is the only thing on your mind, clearly
2016-01-10T04:10:10 < aandrew> my left nut is a little twisted now that you mention it
2016-01-10T04:10:57 < Laurenceb_> inb4 chibios
2016-01-10T04:11:27 < aandrew> I've been playing with freertos
2016-01-10T04:11:29 < aandrew> on stm32
2016-01-10T04:12:33 < aandrew> sorry, part of my idiocy clearly
2016-01-10T04:15:09 < aandrew> what do you play
2016-01-10T04:16:09 < kakimir> dongs: what do you want to do when you grow up?
2016-01-10T04:16:49 < aandrew> kakimir: a woman is my best guess
2016-01-10T04:17:26 < kakimir> become a woman?
2016-01-10T04:19:56 < dongs> R2COM: ive used coos and rtx
2016-01-10T04:19:59 < dongs> i dont do opensores shit
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2016-01-10T04:29:37 < dongs> lol cypress wants me to use some fucking akamai download manager shit
2016-01-10T04:30:44 < dongs> When you initiate a download, you may be presented with a warning regarding the security certificate. Should the Download Manager fail to start, or if you do not accept the security certificate, you can download the file without using the download manager.
2016-01-10T04:30:49 < dongs> yeah no
2016-01-10T04:31:13 < aandrew> yeah cypress loves their fucking download manager
2016-01-10T04:31:17 < aandrew> thankfully they don't force it
2016-01-10T04:31:39 < aandrew> the best is when they email you "soo... whatd'ja think of that datasheet you downloaded a few days ago?"
2016-01-10T04:32:01 < dongs> HEH
2016-01-10T04:32:05 < aandrew> what're you doing in cypress land? I thought you were a diehard stm32
2016-01-10T04:32:12 < aandrew> surely you're not looking at psoc
2016-01-10T04:32:35 < dongs> not psuck thats for sure
2016-01-10T04:33:27 < aandrew> fx2/fx3? they don't really have a whole lot else
2016-01-10T04:33:37 < aandrew> some random clock shit and some memories
2016-01-10T04:33:48 < aandrew> capsense too I guess
2016-01-10T04:34:01 < dongs> and ASI de/serializers
2016-01-10T04:34:49 < aandrew> hm
2016-01-10T04:40:44 < kakimir> who the hell started making all those shitty download managers anyways?
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2016-01-10T04:41:38 < dongs> assholes
2016-01-10T04:41:53 < dongs> the only download manager i can stand is the msdn one
2016-01-10T04:42:08 < dongs> and i think they're not evne forcing that one recently either
2016-01-10T04:43:43 < aandrew> the only good download manager is a fucking magnet link
2016-01-10T04:44:21 < aandrew> absolutely everything else can be handled with a standard cdn link. no java bullshit or apps
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2016-01-10T04:46:43 < aandrew> http://uvicrec.blogspot.ca/2015/12/lab-explosions-and-accidents.html
2016-01-10T04:47:44 < kakimir> download managers are one of those cancers the tech company management sector has decided to cast on us
2016-01-10T04:48:00 < kakimir> *companies
2016-01-10T04:48:29 < kakimir> and every one needs their own shitty one
2016-01-10T04:49:01 < kakimir> that is propiertary software world in nutshell basically
2016-01-10T04:49:23 < dongs> shut up and go back to kikecading
2016-01-10T04:55:26 < ReadError> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12509538_1057819947572251_4084247340479828278_n.jpg?oh=54587c93a63bfa559c312a2f1bf1e8de&oe=5711082F
2016-01-10T04:55:30 < kakimir> why there arent like combination of those world
2016-01-10T04:55:35 < kakimir> worlds
2016-01-10T04:56:34 < ReadError> what
2016-01-10T04:57:09 < kakimir> good sides of open sores world combined with resource backing of commercial world
2016-01-10T04:59:50 < kakimir> and some management in good way to keep open sores assburgering off the product
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2016-01-10T06:07:40 < yan_> is there an accepted way to check which isr triggered the currently executing handler? i have 40 different interrupts mapped to a single catch all, trying to find out which one hit it without writing 40 custom handlers (STM32L1)
2016-01-10T06:17:22 < PeterM> anyone order much from tme.eu?
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2016-01-10T06:24:56 < kakimir> sometimes
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2016-01-10T07:09:13 < bilboquet_> Is it possible to disconnect a GPIO pin to set it in tristate mode ?
2016-01-10T07:09:37 < PeterM> set pin as input?
2016-01-10T07:10:27 < upgrdman> anyone java pros in here?
2016-01-10T07:10:36 < bilboquet_> cool thanks
2016-01-10T07:11:40 < bilboquet_> it's to improve my sense liion with an hexfet P channel and a pull up.
2016-01-10T07:11:54 < bilboquet_> what do you think of it ?
2016-01-10T07:12:26 < bilboquet_> sorry i'm pro in nothing
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2016-01-10T07:32:42 < bilboquet_> i don't have the right pfet for test but, it seems that it works !
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2016-01-10T09:57:14 < PaulFertser> yan_: just check xPSR ?
2016-01-10T10:02:35 < jpa-> PeterM: yeah, i order from tme pretty often
2016-01-10T10:06:19 < PeterM> jpa-, hows your experience with them? cheap? expensive? slow shipping? fast shipping? shit website? adequate website? etc
2016-01-10T10:06:54 < jpa-> cheap for most stuff, ridicuously fast shipping
2016-01-10T10:07:24 < jpa-> last time i put the order on sunday and had the packet tuesday evening
2016-01-10T10:07:53 < jpa-> not very good selection on all parts though, so e.g. for fancier stm32 chips you still need to get them from digikey
2016-01-10T10:09:53 < PeterM> yeah, i jsut wanteed to get abuncxh of jbc soldering shit from them and they seem the cheapest place
2016-01-10T10:10:10 < PeterM> just wanted to get a bunch of jbc soldering shit
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2016-01-10T11:55:31 < rewolff> bilboquet_: It doesn't matter if you use an N-fet or P-fet and switch the ground-or-power.
2016-01-10T11:55:32 < rewolff> When you use the N-fet as depicted, you have to make sure that all IOs are either tristated or programmed HIGH.
2016-01-10T11:55:32 < rewolff> If you use the P-fet as suggested, you have to make sure that all IOs are either tristated or programmed LOW.
2016-01-10T11:56:36 < rewolff> (in either case, if you do it wrong, the chip will continue to consume power).
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2016-01-10T13:15:38 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-01-10T13:16:15 < dongs> < yan_> i have 40 different interrupts
2016-01-10T13:16:19 < dongs> you're doing something wrong then
2016-01-10T13:20:05 < zyp> having it mapped to the same handler is what's wrong
2016-01-10T13:20:37 < zyp> yan_, but the answer is yes, the ipsr register would contain the number of the currently active handler
2016-01-10T13:23:05 < dongs> how do you even get 40 interrupts into a single handler on stm32?
2016-01-10T13:23:11 < dongs> its not EXTI obviously
2016-01-10T13:23:19 < zyp> point all the vectors to the same ISR
2016-01-10T13:23:24 < dongs> errrrrrrrrr
2016-01-10T13:23:30 < dongs> why the fuck would you even do taht.
2016-01-10T13:23:47 < zyp> idk
2016-01-10T13:24:12 < zyp> I did something like that in laks
2016-01-10T13:24:38 < zyp> to make a dispatcher that you could register handlers with arguments to
2016-01-10T13:24:54 < zyp> i.e. to be able to register a driver class instance as an ISR
2016-01-10T13:25:04 < zyp> but it was stupid
2016-01-10T13:33:07 < dongs> hmm nice
2016-01-10T13:33:14 < dongs> i just noticed altidong16 has clipboard history
2016-01-10T13:33:26 < dongs> where you can pull previously  copied/pasted stuff.
2016-01-10T13:33:52 < dongs> its on the bottom right system->clipboard menu
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2016-01-10T13:53:20 < qyx> anyone used that stm32 ruting interface?
2016-01-10T14:07:28 < dongs> ruting?
2016-01-10T14:07:47 < qyx> *routing
2016-01-10T14:08:00 < zyp> stm32 routing?
2016-01-10T14:08:14 < Steffanx> cube pin select thingy?
2016-01-10T14:08:30 < qyx> out of cube
2016-01-10T14:08:39 < qyx> I prepared libopencm3 register definitions
2016-01-10T14:08:45 < qyx> but somehow it is not working
2016-01-10T14:09:13 < qyx> I enabled clock for COMP, set two pins to analog mode
2016-01-10T14:09:23 < qyx> and closed switches for those two pins in the same group
2016-01-10T14:09:37 < qyx> and if I understand it correctly, there should be ~0ohm between them
2016-01-10T14:10:07 < zyp> wat
2016-01-10T14:10:16 < qyx> RM0038
2016-01-10T14:10:28 < qyx> figure 25
2016-01-10T14:11:10 < zyp> oh, RI
2016-01-10T14:11:15 < zyp> didn't know that were a thing
2016-01-10T14:11:26 < zyp> haven't worked much with L1
2016-01-10T14:11:35 < qyx> they use it for swiched capacitor cap sensing
2016-01-10T14:34:13 < dongs> better just use cube then!!11
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2016-01-10T15:37:33 < kop> Thanks for the link to future electronics!
2016-01-10T15:37:55 < kop> They had the best shipping offer
2016-01-10T15:38:05 < dongs> for -disco?
2016-01-10T15:38:25 < kop> Yes
2016-01-10T15:38:39 < kop> But still 50$
2016-01-10T15:39:16 < kop> And I also found this http://www1.futureelectronics.com/event_seminars/Murata/SN8200-Multi-Platform-Evaluation-Kit/order.asp
2016-01-10T15:43:00 < ReadError> 1/22 is when the cooler f7 board comes out tho
2016-01-10T15:43:11 < ReadError> well more useful one
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2016-01-10T15:45:40 < kop> ??did't hear about it
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2016-01-10T15:47:33 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/NUCLEO-F746ZG/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvt1VFuCspEMrMRnD30RBzD70T%252bbCISK7k%3d
2016-01-10T15:47:56 < Sync> fapfap
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2016-01-10T16:09:45 < KreAture_Zzz> hey dongs
2016-01-10T16:09:49  * KreAture_Zzz is doing slave work
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2016-01-10T16:10:15 < KreAture_> I'm writing hal shit
2016-01-10T16:14:16 < kop> Any more info on the Nucleo-F746ZG? What it will have on it or the price?
2016-01-10T16:15:32 < dongs> itll just be a nucleo
2016-01-10T16:15:34 < dongs> all io broken out
2016-01-10T16:15:38 < dongs> thats it
2016-01-10T16:15:40 < dongs> no lcd/other stuff
2016-01-10T16:15:44 < ReadError> the price is listed
2016-01-10T16:15:46 < ReadError> 23$
2016-01-10T16:15:58 < dongs> http://www.carminenoviello.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/nucleo_144_large.jpg
2016-01-10T16:15:59 < dongs> this right?
2016-01-10T16:16:07 < ReadError> http://www.carminenoviello.com/en/2015/12/10/stm32cubemx-4-12-reveals-nucleo-boards-144-pin-mcu/
2016-01-10T16:16:08 < ReadError> ya
2016-01-10T16:16:11 < dongs> just with F7 on ti
2016-01-10T16:16:22 < ReadError> yea same pcb, all board
2016-01-10T16:16:43 < dongs> mmm
2016-01-10T16:16:48 < dongs> i like the new length matching stuff in A16
2016-01-10T16:17:01 < dongs> they fixed it up so it will nudge length as close as possible to target without much dicking
2016-01-10T16:17:25 < dongs> needed 11.3, got 4 lanes at 11.3 or 11.298/.296
2016-01-10T16:18:27 < kop> Thats an f2 on the photo
2016-01-10T16:18:34 < dongs> no shit bro
2016-01-10T16:18:40 < dongs> < ReadError> yea same pcb, all board
2016-01-10T16:18:45 < dongs> they're pin compatible, remember.
2016-01-10T16:18:53 < dongs> the pic is of 144-pin nucleos
2016-01-10T16:19:11 < ReadError> yea just saying it will look the same since they re-use the same pcb
2016-01-10T16:19:13 < dongs> they didnt have any F7 to stick on it for hte pic.
2016-01-10T16:19:37 < kop> ah, ok
2016-01-10T16:19:58 < ReadError> smart they added user usb tho
2016-01-10T16:20:58 < kop> But I'll still go with the disco as I need the lcd
2016-01-10T16:22:37 < KreAture_> :)
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2016-01-10T16:37:53 < kop> What will be with the stock when the nucleo comes out?
2016-01-10T16:38:27 < ReadError> Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
2016-01-10T16:38:47 < kop> Will I be able to buy it in January?
2016-01-10T16:39:02 < ReadError> Estimated Ship Date
2016-01-10T16:39:02 < ReadError> 50 1/22/2016
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2016-01-10T16:51:03 < dongs> < ReadError> Estimated Ship Date
2016-01-10T16:51:04 < dongs> lol
2016-01-10T16:51:14 < dongs> ST ever keeping delivery dates
2016-01-10T16:51:36 < ReadError> well the other week they didnt have a date
2016-01-10T16:52:36 < KreAture_> dongs have you ever used a stm without errata ?
2016-01-10T16:53:03 < dongs> eh? my stuff is not hardcore enough to affect errata
2016-01-10T16:53:05 < dongs> except maybe i2c
2016-01-10T16:53:11 < KreAture_> dma?
2016-01-10T16:53:22 < KreAture_> adc?
2016-01-10T16:53:27 < dongs> im htting some issues wiht DMA on F4 now but i dont think its errata
2016-01-10T16:53:33 < KreAture_> I keep running into silly errata
2016-01-10T16:53:35 < dongs> more liek me being dumb
2016-01-10T16:53:42 < KreAture_> ahh, been there
2016-01-10T16:53:46 < KreAture_> still am
2016-01-10T16:53:48 < KreAture_> lol
2016-01-10T16:54:13 < KreAture_> I was just appalled by the last issues I had with l051 where the adc is fuckered
2016-01-10T16:55:32 < KreAture_> If you do the classic thing of waking up, selecting a channel, doing a read and falling back to sleep, and then maby later waking up to read a different channel since something else waked you, you get 100% bad adc readings
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2016-01-10T17:00:21 < dongs> nice
2016-01-10T17:02:12 < qyx> what the hell
2016-01-10T17:02:18 < qyx> in the memory map of L1
2016-01-10T17:02:35 < qyx> 0x4000 7C00 - 0x4000 7C03 is for the comparator
2016-01-10T17:02:46 < qyx> and 0x4000 7C04 - 0x4000 7C5B is for the routing interface
2016-01-10T17:03:24 < qyx> later, comparator register have 0x00 offset
2016-01-10T17:03:34 < qyx> and routing interface registers start with an offset of 0x04
2016-01-10T17:03:46 < qyx> which is an obvious bug
2016-01-10T17:04:00 < qyx> because that way the first RI register starts at 0x4000 7C08
2016-01-10T17:04:13 < qyx> and that's wrong
2016-01-10T17:04:46 < qyx> either they have to be referenced agains the comparator register base
2016-01-10T17:04:56 < aandrew> KreAture_: lol, sounds like the "random adc channel" feature
2016-01-10T17:04:57 < qyx> or their offset should start at 0
2016-01-10T17:05:53 < KreAture_> aandrew worse, it's the "adc not sampled in 500us will do wrong sample and hold" bug
2016-01-10T17:06:23 < KreAture_> It's redficolous
2016-01-10T17:06:29 < aandrew> fun
2016-01-10T17:06:43 < KreAture_> not really LOL
2016-01-10T17:06:50 < KreAture_> I found the best workaround was to always sample two channels
2016-01-10T17:06:56 < KreAture_> and let it overwrite first
2016-01-10T17:06:57 < aandrew> Im always a fan of the "hey this chip has a nice feature". then design it in, then read errata and it says "feature doesn't work. workaround: none"
2016-01-10T17:07:06 < KreAture_> Then use sequence complete instead of conversion complete
2016-01-10T17:07:27 < KreAture_> set it to do reverse order, and enable internal temp or voltage ref channel
2016-01-10T17:07:40 < KreAture_> Then it will fuck up that channel and then go down to do your wanted channel
2016-01-10T17:07:52 < KreAture_> if you need multiples, simply adding an extra channel conversion works
2016-01-10T17:08:14 < KreAture_> alternative is to set up conversion to be free running, ignore first conversion and record second before shutting down again
2016-01-10T17:08:17 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/un8l6eV.png attn dongs
2016-01-10T17:08:18 < KreAture_> silly
2016-01-10T17:09:36 < KreAture_> lol aandrew
2016-01-10T17:10:22 < aandrew> NO MOM DON'T GOOGLE THAT
2016-01-10T17:10:23 < aandrew> heh
2016-01-10T17:11:03 < KreAture_> well, my boss tried to google "trans partner"
2016-01-10T17:11:17 < KreAture_> It was written on the side of a van to a movers company and we needed moving help
2016-01-10T17:11:27 < KreAture_> IT spent 2 days cleaning his computer
2016-01-10T17:11:30 < KreAture_> LOL
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2016-01-10T17:11:47 < aandrew> hahaha
2016-01-10T17:11:51 < KreAture_> 1. internet explorer
2016-01-10T17:12:01 < KreAture_> 2. google with "i'm feeling lucky"
2016-01-10T17:12:05 < KreAture_> 3. call IT
2016-01-10T17:12:22 < KreAture_> it was hillarious
2016-01-10T17:12:30 < KreAture_> we never let him forget it
2016-01-10T17:30:50 < Fleck> I will correct you KreAture_ - 2 days spent cleaning wincrap :D
2016-01-10T17:33:04 < KreAture_> well, his other machine is a mac and it had chinese spyware on it
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2016-01-10T17:49:48 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJqMP2xf7Vc
2016-01-10T17:51:39 < dongs> Fleck: wat is this boring 2.5 minute garbage
2016-01-10T17:51:44 < dongs> nothing interesting evne happens fuck
2016-01-10T17:51:58 < dongs> also like 2 years old almost
2016-01-10T18:01:39 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1452437184537.jpg
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2016-01-10T18:29:39 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UszYPI5naRI&feature=youtu.be&t=39 :D
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2016-01-10T18:56:53 < dongs> jpa-: how the fuck does opensourcer debug smoothieshitware? the MRI/serial debug shit fucks with proper debugging over SWD
2016-01-10T19:02:24 < zyp> you don't need to debug it if you don't put in bugs in the first place
2016-01-10T19:02:53 < Sync> ^
2016-01-10T19:03:01 < Sync> if you need to debug it you are not pro enough
2016-01-10T19:03:46 < ReadError> there is a way to disable MRI
2016-01-10T19:04:19 < dongs> zyp, thats besides the point
2016-01-10T19:04:27 < dongs> zyp, the problem is all the shit code that it consists of.
2016-01-10T19:04:40 < dongs> which was clearly  written by non-pros
2016-01-10T19:04:55 < ReadError> https://github.com/ceterumnet/Smoothie/blob/master/src/makefile#L24-L40 ?
2016-01-10T19:05:17 < dongs> that doesnt work
2016-01-10T19:05:49 < zyp> maybe it wouldn't be that shitty if they could debug it
2016-01-10T19:05:58 < dongs> correct
2016-01-10T19:06:14 < dongs> < arthur-_> dongs: yeah, sure, there is no possible advantage in people being able to debug with gdb and a $5 serial adapter ... how much did your jtag debugger cost ?
2016-01-10T19:06:18 < dongs> ^ lol
2016-01-10T19:07:04 < zyp> haha, is he suggesting that swd adapters are too expensive?
2016-01-10T19:07:14 < dongs> i guess so
2016-01-10T19:07:25 < Sync> they come with every discovery? :D
2016-01-10T19:07:31 < Sync> I guess he plays on the j link
2016-01-10T19:07:39 < Sync> but even that comes cheap from the cloners
2016-01-10T19:12:07 < PaulFertser> dongs: one can just use stlink to debug via swd, why not?
2016-01-10T19:12:21 < PaulFertser> dongs: or jlink 10$ clone
2016-01-10T19:12:39 < PaulFertser> I see no obstacles to debugging.
2016-01-10T19:12:43 < Lux> can you use stlink for lpc stuff ?
2016-01-10T19:12:46 < ReadError> stlink works on lpc?
2016-01-10T19:12:51 < PaulFertser> Why not?
2016-01-10T19:12:53 < ReadError> oh lux is in my head
2016-01-10T19:12:58 < Lux> :P
2016-01-10T19:13:08 < Sync> I mean, swd is swd
2016-01-10T19:13:26 < dongs> PaulFertser: no idea, these smoothieware retards think some custom monitor running over serial adn talking gdb protocol is superior
2016-01-10T19:13:34 < PaulFertser> It's not all that easy, stlink doesn't allow direct swd access but it's ok for lpc parts.
2016-01-10T19:14:17 < PaulFertser> dongs: I think jpa- knows more about the situation, iirc he did that h-a-d etm tracing with smoothieware.
2016-01-10T19:14:31 < dongs> right
2016-01-10T19:14:38 < dongs> ill goto sleep and hopefully he blogs something back
2016-01-10T19:21:02 < jpa-> dongs: yeah, mri sucks, for debugging i build my own where i disabled that mri shit
2016-01-10T19:22:02 < jpa-> i don't remember whether the makefile switch worked or if i had to comment something else somewhere
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2016-01-10T19:47:47 < Laurenceb_> myth busted
2016-01-10T19:47:48 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39004.msg1472667#msg1472667
2016-01-10T19:57:32 < Laurenceb_> http://www.failed-experiments.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4
2016-01-10T19:57:35 < Laurenceb_> lol url
2016-01-10T19:58:22 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/gallery/yKWfEWs
2016-01-10T19:59:55 < Laurenceb_> <SpacenearUS> New vehicle on the map: CHIMP01 - http://tracker.habhub.org/#!qm=All&q=CHIMP01
2016-01-10T20:00:01 < Laurenceb_> inb4 baltimore
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2016-01-10T21:08:40 < BrainDamage> this belongs here: https://www.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/comments/40ckop/amateurradio_i_threw_the_guy_but_i_have_a_disease/
2016-01-10T21:14:14 < Steffanx> [spam] ?
2016-01-10T21:14:19 < Steffanx>  
2016-01-10T21:14:52 < BrainDamage> yes
2016-01-10T21:15:09 < BrainDamage> quite the wtf post
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2016-01-10T21:50:08 < Laurenceb_> any windowz gurus here?
2016-01-10T21:50:28 < Laurenceb_> I've got a windowz xp machine is no network connection
2016-01-10T21:50:31 < Laurenceb_> *with
2016-01-10T21:51:38 < ReadError> reboot it ?
2016-01-10T21:54:05 < PaulFertser> I was at an RMS lecture once. He said: "If you have windows on a computer, you have only two choices: either throw windows out of this computer, or throw this computer out of a window."
2016-01-10T21:58:46 < Rob235> can you connect two i2c devices to the same gpio pins? not sure how the bus works
2016-01-10T21:59:37 < zyp> as long as they have different addrs
2016-01-10T21:59:39 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2016-01-10T21:59:44 < Laurenceb_> reboot doesnt fix it
2016-01-10T21:59:51 < Rob235> interesting...
2016-01-10T21:59:57 < Laurenceb_> turning the connection off and on fixes it
2016-01-10T22:00:01 < Laurenceb_> for about 15 seconds
2016-01-10T22:00:20 < Laurenceb_> this is very odd
2016-01-10T22:01:03 < BrainDamage> Rob235: it works because it's an open collector bus, the "short from vcc to gnd" is controlled by the pullup resistor
2016-01-10T22:02:08 < BrainDamage> on a simple shared bus if 2 devices attempt to write one 1 and the other 0 you have 2 low resistance transistors from rail to rail and can fry something
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2016-01-10T22:04:06 < englishman> you can buy an i2c accelerator!!!!
2016-01-10T22:04:19 < Laurenceb_> I spot the issue
2016-01-10T22:04:28 < Laurenceb_> connection is "Connected, Firewalled"
2016-01-10T22:04:33 < Laurenceb_> how do I fix that??
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2016-01-10T22:06:16 < Steffanx> disable the fw?
2016-01-10T22:06:30 < Steffanx> or install a modern os -_-
2016-01-10T22:06:31 < Laurenceb_> lol
2016-01-10T22:06:35 < PaulFertser> R2COM: exactly. I did it twice actually (in different years). Proves that I'm a retard.
2016-01-10T22:06:51 < Rob235> are teensy's any good? I have a 3.2 that I got for like $10 and was just drawing out my protoboard diagram for my stm32f4 discovery and realized it has enough pins/periphs for what I'm doing.
2016-01-10T22:07:05 < lorenzo> Rob235: any good for what?
2016-01-10T22:07:17 < lorenzo> if I recall correctly teensy are known for easy to use USB HID
2016-01-10T22:07:25 < Rob235> Well I'm making a flight controller
2016-01-10T22:07:31 < Rob235> for a hexacopter
2016-01-10T22:08:11 < ReadError> you want to re-write all ur code?
2016-01-10T22:09:36 < Rob235> no probably not worth it, it would just be the periph configurations that would have to be rewritten for the most part
2016-01-10T22:09:49 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: can't you try debugging it the usual way? See "ifconfig" then "route print" outputs, try pinging default gateway etc etc.
2016-01-10T22:09:59 < Rob235> I just like how small it is :)
2016-01-10T22:10:34 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: s^ifconfig^ipconfig all^
2016-01-10T22:10:42 < PaulFertser> /all
2016-01-10T22:10:49 < Laurenceb_> yeah I'll take a look
2016-01-10T22:11:18 < PaulFertser> I've also seen antivirus software affecting internet connectivity in strange ways.
2016-01-10T22:11:58 < Lux> Rob235: definetly enough, unless you are doing fancy kalman filter stuff
2016-01-10T22:12:00 < Laurenceb_> yeah I'll turn it all off
2016-01-10T22:12:07 < Rob235> I think my final count is 3x USART, 2x I2C, 6x DMA Streams
2016-01-10T22:12:28 < ReadError> 2x i2c??
2016-01-10T22:12:37 < Rob235> well I can make it one
2016-01-10T22:12:40 < Lux> a friend has been using a teensy for a quad
2016-01-10T22:12:43 < ReadError> why not spi?
2016-01-10T22:12:54 < Rob235> why spi? (never used it)
2016-01-10T22:13:01 < Lux> faster
2016-01-10T22:13:21 < ReadError> more fastly
2016-01-10T22:13:30 < ReadError> not as broken
2016-01-10T22:13:40 < Lux> and it's also pretty easy to use
2016-01-10T22:13:42 < Yoduza> i2c faster than spi ? :O
2016-01-10T22:14:19 < Lux> nope
2016-01-10T22:14:36 < zyp> spi is faster and more reliable
2016-01-10T22:14:58 < zyp> since it's push-pull driven, not open drain
2016-01-10T22:15:08 < zyp> but it requires more wiring
2016-01-10T22:15:40 < PeterM> i2c? what year is it?
2016-01-10T22:15:47 < Yoduza> is dma universal standart ? is it posible connect any memamory to stm via dma ?
2016-01-10T22:15:59 < zyp> what?
2016-01-10T22:15:59 < Yoduza> *memory
2016-01-10T22:16:02 < qyx> huh
2016-01-10T22:16:12 < zyp> you're thinking of fsmc maybe?
2016-01-10T22:17:00 < Yoduza> smt8s has not dma
2016-01-10T22:17:02 < Yoduza> :(
2016-01-10T22:17:13 < Yoduza> *stm8s
2016-01-10T22:17:29 < zyp> I don't think you know what dma is
2016-01-10T22:17:31 < Rob235> i2c is fast enough. i2c would only be limiting if the values were updating faster than 300 hz and they only update at 100 hz
2016-01-10T22:18:00 < Yoduza> dma = direct memory access
2016-01-10T22:18:09 < zyp> Yoduza, which means what?
2016-01-10T22:18:45 < Yoduza> i want try make cyclone iv 6k + stm8s as a memory
2016-01-10T22:18:59 < ReadError> i think Yoduza is a troll
2016-01-10T22:19:18 < zyp> I think he's just unknowledgeable
2016-01-10T22:19:51 < Rob235> dma lets you transfer data from mem/periph -> mem/periph without the cpu doing anything
2016-01-10T22:20:18 < PeterM> Yoduza, can you expand upon your idea of using a stm8s as a memory?
2016-01-10T22:20:35 < Yoduza> ok, fpga dont need any mcu for communicate with mem
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2016-01-10T22:21:45 < Yoduza> stm8s as simple procedure with sha-2/sha-3 crypto algo
2016-01-10T22:22:16 < ReadError> o.o
2016-01-10T22:22:23 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFeWw2YFXlM
2016-01-10T22:22:49 < Yoduza> 400khz is a maximum
2016-01-10T22:23:33 < fenugrec> high / full speed I2C p-))
2016-01-10T22:23:59 < fenugrec> "fast-mode"
2016-01-10T22:24:23 < fenugrec> 400kbps
2016-01-10T22:25:19 < fenugrec> http://www.i2c-bus.org/highspeed/
2016-01-10T22:25:29 < ReadError> 1.2mhz?
2016-01-10T22:26:07 < ReadError> apparently it just needs to be in multiples of 400khz
2016-01-10T22:26:21 < fenugrec> lol, I see 3.4MHz highspeed, 1MHz "fastmode plus", 5MHz "ultrafast" -- this is even worse than USB !!!
2016-01-10T22:26:51 < qyx> just set whatever you want and it will probably work
2016-01-10T22:26:53 < Rob235> to use 400 kHz do you have to do anything differently other than setting the clockspeed?
2016-01-10T22:27:08 < fenugrec> i2c is hell to optoisolate, too
2016-01-10T22:27:48 < Rob235> oh nice, I was using 100 because I thought other stuff had to be done.  I'll change it to 400
2016-01-10T22:28:10 < PeterM> Rob235, you might need stronger pull ups depending on what you've got
2016-01-10T22:28:17 < PeterM> but other than that, yeah
2016-01-10T22:28:34 < Rob235> breakout says it can do 400 so it should be fine, i'll test it later
2016-01-10T22:34:02 < Rob235> hmm using 21 gpio pins, I feel like I should use more. well I guess I forgot the speaker and possibly a button or two :)
2016-01-10T22:35:38 < Yoduza> is it need 21 irq for use 21 gpio pins ?
2016-01-10T22:37:00 < Rob235> i'm not using that many interrupts
2016-01-10T22:37:07 < ReadError> R2COM = Carl = http://imgur.com/gallery/p70rT
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2016-01-10T22:56:42 < Rob235> how much voltage can a protoboard handle?
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2016-01-10T22:57:34 < PeterM> protoboard or solderless breadboard?
2016-01-10T22:57:41 < Rob235> protoboard
2016-01-10T22:57:56 < ReadError> voltage or current?
2016-01-10T22:57:56 < PeterM> that depends on your protoboard
2016-01-10T22:58:05 < PeterM> the pad spacing etc
2016-01-10T22:58:40 < Rob235> I guess both?
2016-01-10T22:58:56 < Rob235> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8619
2016-01-10T22:59:38 < PeterM> it probably not do more than say 50v between pads
2016-01-10T22:59:47 < Rob235> oh, max 12v
2016-01-10T22:59:51 < Rob235> what about amp
2016-01-10T23:00:54 < PeterM> 1a/pad is probably fine
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2016-01-10T23:06:21 < Rob235> hmm max would probably be around 12V / 360 mA  the other leds could go up to 4A but I don't need to put it on the protoboard
2016-01-10T23:07:08 < Rob235> guess I'm good
2016-01-10T23:07:48 < ReadError> Rob235, you can get like 10 boards for $10 or something from china
2016-01-10T23:07:56 < ReadError> protoboard is a pain in the dick
2016-01-10T23:08:29 < Rob235> ehh its a one time purchase
2016-01-10T23:08:40 < Rob235> id rather not wait either
2016-01-10T23:08:49 < ReadError> oshpark?
2016-01-10T23:08:57 < ReadError> get boards pretty fastly from them
2016-01-10T23:09:12 < zyp> dongs, https://i.imgur.com/64DEPBx.png
2016-01-10T23:09:17 < Rob235> never tried designing a board. new to all this stuff. is it hard?
2016-01-10T23:09:22 < Rob235> what program do you use
2016-01-10T23:10:14 < ReadError> diptrace is easy to pick up and run with
2016-01-10T23:10:40 < Rob235> is there a better option thats worth learning?
2016-01-10T23:10:49 < PeterM> Rob235, i can jsut give you a recommendation to NOT use eagle
2016-01-10T23:11:00 < ReadError> hahah fucking eagle
2016-01-10T23:11:06 < ReadError> on the plus side
2016-01-10T23:11:08 < zyp> eh, eagle is fine
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2016-01-10T23:11:20 < ReadError> you can gank footprints easy from eagle with the ULP
2016-01-10T23:11:27 < ReadError> and bring em in to diptrace
2016-01-10T23:12:16 < Rob235> oh nice, diptrace is for os x too
2016-01-10T23:12:24 < PeterM> zyp, it teaches you bad habits so it makes the transition from eagle to a real eda like mental graphics,cadence allegro or altium  more difficult
2016-01-10T23:12:26 < ReadError> hehe well
2016-01-10T23:12:28 < ReadError> its 'wine'
2016-01-10T23:12:37 < ReadError> i wouldnt call it native osx by any means
2016-01-10T23:12:52 < Rob235> ahh thats why its 6x the size hah
2016-01-10T23:12:56 < Rob235> i'll just get it for windows
2016-01-10T23:13:01 < zyp> PeterM, I didn't find that to be a problem
2016-01-10T23:13:12 < ReadError> i cant figure out eagle
2016-01-10T23:13:18 < ReadError> open something
2016-01-10T23:13:25 < PeterM> zyp lucky for you
2016-01-10T23:13:28 < ReadError> click on shit, it does nothing you expect it to
2016-01-10T23:13:48 < ReadError> like maybe if i click on a part, do something useful, idk
2016-01-10T23:15:24 < PeterM> zyp maybe you are smarter than the average bear, but i have heard of a lot of people haivng issues transitioning
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2016-01-10T23:18:35 < zyp> idk, I don't think there's a major difference between choosing action then choosing target and choosing target then choosing action
2016-01-10T23:19:37 < ReadError> the latter is much more intuitive
2016-01-10T23:20:09 < zyp> in mspaint you do the former, so if you're smart enough to use mspaint, you're smart enough to use eagle
2016-01-10T23:21:00 < zyp> oh, and altium does a mix of either
2016-01-10T23:21:21 < zyp> e.g. with default settings, if you want to drag parts, you have to select drag mode first, then start dragging parts
2016-01-10T23:21:45 < ReadError> well you just figured you could click on something, then right click
2016-01-10T23:21:53 < ReadError> and have some useful menu come up
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2016-01-10T23:23:06 < zyp> yeah, try that in mspaint
2016-01-10T23:23:27 < zyp> or photoshop for that matter, if mspaint is not pro enough
2016-01-10T23:24:06 < ReadError> coming at this from a CAD perspective, not art
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2016-01-10T23:25:09 < zyp> hey, I regard my pcb designs as art :p
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2016-01-10T23:26:03 < ReadError> kicad is pretty miserable to use too
2016-01-10T23:26:35 < zyp> might be, I haven't tried it
2016-01-10T23:26:47 < zyp> then again, everything is, if you don't know how
2016-01-10T23:27:28 < ReadError> sure but some things make sense out of the box
2016-01-10T23:27:35 < ReadError> like solidworks vs sketchup
2016-01-10T23:27:48 < zyp> R2COM, uh, it's been doing that since forever
2016-01-10T23:27:53 < ReadError> solidworks is very easy to get in and make shit
2016-01-10T23:28:01 < ReadError> sketchup is just ESL CAD
2016-01-10T23:28:36 < zyp> dunno, didn't last time I used it
2016-01-10T23:29:16 < Taxman> i hope that my final transition is from eagle do geda in some future
2016-01-10T23:29:42 < ReadError> R2COM, kicad does
2016-01-10T23:30:02 < zyp> R2COM, why? altium does that as well
2016-01-10T23:30:03 < Taxman> R2COM: It is "addressed" (diff pairs, length matching) but not as full featured as in higher grade edas
2016-01-10T23:30:20 < ReadError> think the newest one has $features
2016-01-10T23:30:25 < Taxman> i don't know what dynamic trace/via push does
2016-01-10T23:30:35 < ReadError> slow?
2016-01-10T23:30:39 < ReadError> bish pls
2016-01-10T23:30:45 < Taxman> and altium does not run natively under linux
2016-01-10T23:30:50 < ReadError> maybe ur pc sucks
2016-01-10T23:30:58 < ReadError> i run it on OSX In parallels
2016-01-10T23:31:00 < ReadError> and its responsive
2016-01-10T23:31:25 < ReadError> i dont like their fixed keymap shit tho
2016-01-10T23:31:36 < PeterM> ur doing it wrong
2016-01-10T23:31:40 < zyp> component transfer works fine
2016-01-10T23:31:53 < zyp> and I don't experience any speed issues
2016-01-10T23:32:03 < ReadError> just learn the hawt keys
2016-01-10T23:32:06 < zyp> must be someting wrong with your setup
2016-01-10T23:32:10 < ReadError> dont wait on menus
2016-01-10T23:32:58 < ReadError> calm down Carl
2016-01-10T23:34:04 < ReadError> so wait, is altium the fiat ?
2016-01-10T23:35:00 < PeterM> or if someone is brain damaged, they may be driving a bmw m5 and think that the sl63 beside them is shit
2016-01-10T23:35:10 < ReadError> orcad is the bmw m5 ?
2016-01-10T23:36:55 < ReadError> R2COM you are a very bad russian
2016-01-10T23:37:00 < ReadError> paying for stuff
2016-01-10T23:37:14 < ReadError> arent they kings of piracy ?
2016-01-10T23:38:20 < kakimir> hmm
2016-01-10T23:38:25 < kakimir> it is trues
2016-01-10T23:38:34 < kakimir> or is it?
2016-01-10T23:38:35 < KreAture_> Hmm
2016-01-10T23:39:26 < KreAture_> If I give a SPIx reference/base address in any framework for stm32, is there a way to identify which gpio port this spi may have it's ip pins mapped to?
2016-01-10T23:39:32 < KreAture_> IO pins
2016-01-10T23:40:23 < KreAture_> I'm just trying to see how far I can take the HAL layer
2016-01-10T23:40:46 < zyp> no.
2016-01-10T23:41:17 < zyp> might have multiple options for pins spread across multiple ports as well
2016-01-10T23:41:51 < zyp> IMO it's better to separate it into layers
2016-01-10T23:41:51 < KreAture_> I could input pin and port references for the rx/tx pins when instantiating a spi hal object, but I'd still have to find which AF is actually the desired spi function on the supplied port/pin
2016-01-10T23:42:06 < KreAture_> I am separating it, that is the problem
2016-01-10T23:42:12 < zyp> letting one part of code deal with pin mapping and another deal with running the SPI stuff regardless of what pins are used
2016-01-10T23:42:22 < KreAture_> I end up with a layer that had to be custom written for any pin config regardless
2016-01-10T23:42:28 < ReadError> R2COM http://imgur.com/gallery/yKWfEWs
2016-01-10T23:42:31 < KreAture_> I am zyp
2016-01-10T23:42:42 < KreAture_> but this layer that handles the pins, is still not portable enough
2016-01-10T23:42:49 < zyp> KreAture_, exactly, what I'm saying is just leave it up to the end application
2016-01-10T23:42:55 < KreAture_> as in, it's so similar and in many cases identical, but some parts not
2016-01-10T23:43:19 < KreAture_> zyp when the end app need sto run on 6 different platforms it duplicates code too much
2016-01-10T23:43:27 < KreAture_> Just trying to see if that can be sorted out
2016-01-10T23:43:33 < zyp> I had the same ideas as you, but trying to make driver code dick with IO setup is just bullshit
2016-01-10T23:43:48 < KreAture_> Guess so
2016-01-10T23:43:52 < zyp> so IO setup should live in board specific code
2016-01-10T23:43:57 < zyp> call it BSP or whatever
2016-01-10T23:44:00 < KreAture_> making a seperate hw setup that user simply has to do may be ok
2016-01-10T23:44:05 < KreAture_> yeh
2016-01-10T23:44:41 < KreAture_> I have the driver part able to do the rest already though, including identifying what extra pins you use like chip select or data/command selection etc, and enabeling the right config on the port for that
2016-01-10T23:44:47 < KreAture_> It even identifys the right clock to enable
2016-01-10T23:45:13 < zyp> I haven't bothered with that either
2016-01-10T23:45:20 < KreAture_> I use #ifdef's to lock out code not applicable for a platform so that I can compile it regardless of device having 1 or 4 spi's
2016-01-10T23:45:22 < zyp> although, by now I could
2016-01-10T23:51:52 < kakimir> anyone done ebay selling?
2016-01-10T23:51:57 < KreAture_> only buying
2016-01-10T23:52:03 < KreAture_> really good at buying
2016-01-10T23:52:05 < KreAture_> :)
2016-01-10T23:52:09 < zyp> pro at buying
2016-01-10T23:52:10 < kakimir> mee too
2016-01-10T23:52:25 < kakimir> I have... over 300 transactions
2016-01-10T23:52:53 < zyp> I'm not counting
2016-01-10T23:53:11 < kakimir> it counts for you fool
2016-01-10T23:53:49 < Steffanx> kakimir go bug upgrdman
2016-01-10T23:53:58 < Steffanx> he's a pro
2016-01-10T23:54:01 < kakimir> bug?
2016-01-10T23:54:03 < kakimir> okay
2016-01-10T23:54:12 < upgrdman> :(
2016-01-10T23:54:24 < zyp> KreAture_, where can I see the count?
2016-01-10T23:54:44 < zyp> kakimir I mean
2016-01-10T23:55:32 < kakimir> next to your account name?
2016-01-10T23:55:36 < kakimir> in summarum
2016-01-10T23:55:51 < kakimir> or feedbacks for you but almost equal thing
2016-01-10T23:56:03 < zyp> uh, that's not the same
2016-01-10T23:57:28 < kakimir> hmm
2016-01-10T23:57:40 < kakimir> there is also feedback left for others
2016-01-10T23:57:46 < kakimir> 345
2016-01-10T23:57:51 < kakimir> some of not delivered
2016-01-10T23:58:00 < kakimir> propably dozen
2016-01-10T23:58:14 < zyp> «154 Feedback received» «89 Feedback left»
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2016-01-10T23:58:31 < kakimir> but dozen that I have not feedbacked because product was so horrible shit
2016-01-10T23:58:38 < zyp> feedback score sits at 138
2016-01-10T23:58:40 < kakimir> and received money
2016-01-10T23:58:50 < zyp> heh
2016-01-10T23:59:09 < zyp> I don't tend to care much about leaving feedback
2016-01-10T23:59:09 < upgrdman> for dBFS... 10log10(foo)... is foo a magnitude or a power?
2016-01-10T23:59:23 < zyp> power
2016-01-10T23:59:27 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-10T23:59:29 < upgrdman> thx
2016-01-10T23:59:35 < ReadError> 355 Feedback received	
2016-01-10T23:59:36 < zyp> magnitude is 20log10(foo)
2016-01-10T23:59:44 < upgrdman> k
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2016-01-11T00:00:22 < upgrdman> and foo power for dBFS would be in a range from 0.0 to 1.0?
2016-01-11T00:00:30 < kakimir> ReadError: have you filled your areas with shiet?
2016-01-11T00:00:34 < kakimir> like me
2016-01-11T00:00:47 < ReadError> Member since: Sep-12-00 in United States
2016-01-11T00:01:10 < kakimir> 2000 ?
2016-01-11T00:01:20 < ReadError> yes
2016-01-11T00:01:45 < kakimir> mine is 2011
2016-01-11T00:02:22 < kakimir> so there you have it.. I'm the champion
2016-01-11T00:02:42 < kakimir> crap per day is highest
2016-01-11T00:04:23 < KreAture_> I win
2016-01-11T00:04:30 < KreAture_> Member since: Nov 24, 2009
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2016-01-11T00:13:00 < ReadError> kakimir, i aliexpress much more
2016-01-11T00:14:46 < KreAture_> ReadError I refuse to use aliexpress since they do not use secure payment
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2016-01-11T00:15:12 < kakimir> hah
2016-01-11T00:15:15 < kakimir> scam payments
2016-01-11T00:15:24 < ReadError> KreAture_, ehh not had any issue
2016-01-11T00:15:35 < ReadError> you can use paypal debitcard -> alipay
2016-01-11T00:15:41 < Steffanx> define secure.. ?
2016-01-11T00:16:08 < Steffanx> paypal, just a password, is secure enough?
2016-01-11T00:16:13 < KreAture_> ReadError they will not tell you the payment options untill after you commit to a sale
2016-01-11T00:16:25 < ReadError> KreAture_, huh what
2016-01-11T00:16:26 < KreAture_> That's a sure sign of obfuscation and possible insecurity
2016-01-11T00:16:28 < kakimir> I once went abroad and
2016-01-11T00:16:36 < KreAture_> You have to dig into the user agreement to find it
2016-01-11T00:16:36 < ReadError> its always alipay
2016-01-11T00:16:40 < kakimir> tried to home some money for drugs
2016-01-11T00:16:42 < ReadError> you arent thinking of alibaba ?
2016-01-11T00:16:43 < KreAture_> yes after they dropped ebay
2016-01-11T00:16:48 < kakimir> paypal backfired
2016-01-11T00:16:55 < zyp> fuck aliexpress
2016-01-11T00:17:00 < Steffanx> no.
2016-01-11T00:17:03 < KreAture_> aliexpress is just alibaba
2016-01-11T00:17:10 < Steffanx> <3 aliexpress
2016-01-11T00:17:12 < KreAture_> with a coat on for retail
2016-01-11T00:17:12 < ReadError> KreAture_, quite different
2016-01-11T00:17:18 < kakimir> my account locked until I sended them my travel documents
2016-01-11T00:17:18 < ReadError> aliexpress is dope as hell
2016-01-11T00:17:26 < ReadError> epackets so fast
2016-01-11T00:17:29 < ReadError> cheap
2016-01-11T00:17:35 < zyp> aliexpress is just «shitty ebay» IMO
2016-01-11T00:17:46 < KreAture_> They store my cc details on non secure server last I asked.
2016-01-11T00:17:51 < kakimir> ebay is just shitty ebay IMO
2016-01-11T00:17:51 < KreAture_> They use self cert
2016-01-11T00:18:16 < kakimir> I wish I had more money to order expensive shit from godtier vendors
2016-01-11T00:18:57 < ReadError> KreAture_, hooli browser would have told me if it was self signed
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2016-01-11T00:21:45 < KreAture_> OK, have to agree that it's been a few years since I tried buying from aliexpress, and then my browswer DID warm me against self cert
2016-01-11T00:22:04 < KreAture_> I still will not shop from anyone storing my cc in china
2016-01-11T00:23:36 < kakimir> little crap for electronics
2016-01-11T00:23:53 < kakimir> some crappy tools
2016-01-11T00:24:00 < kakimir> some daily use items
2016-01-11T00:24:08 < kakimir> computer crap
2016-01-11T00:24:43 < kakimir> usb crap, crappy cables, adapters and shiet that costs here 15eur and in ebay 1.5eur
2016-01-11T00:31:54 < zyp> I tend to pick up shit like that in jp
2016-01-11T00:33:26 < lorenzo> just placed an aliexpress order too :p
2016-01-11T00:34:15 < lorenzo> Stm32f103c8t6
2016-01-11T00:34:59 < kakimir> I bet everything crappy electronics in japland is like equal to 2eur
2016-01-11T00:35:11 < kakimir> and in china 0.5eur
2016-01-11T00:36:51 < kakimir> so nobody knows how store in ebay works?
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2016-01-11T00:41:07 < Rob235> damn, oshpark is $5 per sq in? That would be $60
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2016-01-11T00:45:51 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1452459895417.jpg
2016-01-11T00:46:37 < kakimir> rabbiesmonkeys
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2016-01-11T00:56:45 < kakimir> ball sweat
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2016-01-11T00:56:53 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/nblhEgF.jpg
2016-01-11T01:01:30 < kakimir> david guetta - do you like his mosic?
2016-01-11T01:05:14 < ReadError> KreAture_, have you seen how large alibaba holdings group is?
2016-01-11T01:05:22 < ReadError> bigger than paypal/ebay im pretty sure
2016-01-11T01:05:35 < kakimir> does alibaba own china yet?
2016-01-11T01:05:51 < ReadError> they are pretty close probably
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2016-01-11T01:08:50 < KreAture_> ReadError I do not care, they cannot and are not guaranteeing my cc security, and my bank will NOT guarantee it if I use a shop with servers in china
2016-01-11T01:09:18 < KreAture_> it's that simple.  so I cannot use em, and will not
2016-01-11T01:09:33 < KreAture_> It's sad as there are a few things I would like to order
2016-01-11T01:09:51 < ReadError> KreAture_, use paypal debit card?
2016-01-11T01:10:19 < KreAture_> hehe as if I would ever add that
2016-01-11T01:10:24 < KreAture_> I never have any money with pp
2016-01-11T01:10:44 < KreAture_> also, prepaid cards like the ebay ones are illegal in NOrway
2016-01-11T01:10:57 < KreAture_> untracable payments not allowed
2016-01-11T01:11:33 < ReadError> well more deals for me then!
2016-01-11T01:12:01 < kakimir> are your banks with.. trump?
2016-01-11T01:12:24 < KreAture_> Norway has nothing to do with us
2016-01-11T01:14:57 < zyp> KreAture_, uh, how does those spendon cards work then?
2016-01-11T01:16:23 < Rob235> hmm itead has good reviews and $35 w/ color choice is much better than 60 purple
2016-01-11T01:16:38 < zyp> haha
2016-01-11T01:16:43 < zyp> «good reviews»
2016-01-11T01:16:52 < zyp> isn't itead just like seeed with a different name?
2016-01-11T01:17:02 < Rob235> dunno, is seeed bad?
2016-01-11T01:17:57 < zyp> I'm not sure if I would call it bad, but they are cheap and you only get what you pay for
2016-01-11T01:18:34 < KreAture_> zyp spendon will not be available for much longer due to the excact same reason
2016-01-11T01:18:41 < zyp> source?
2016-01-11T01:22:50 < KreAture_> It's part of this
2016-01-11T01:22:50 < KreAture_> http://paymentweek.com/2015-11-23-european-union-may-curb-anonymous-payments-and-use-of-bitcoin-8930/
2016-01-11T01:23:06 < KreAture_> Basically we will be forced by eu to do the same, after they decide how to attack it
2016-01-11T01:23:38 < ReadError> KreAture_ i still dont see how 'they cannot and are not guaranteeing my cc security'
2016-01-11T01:23:52 < ReadError> they have a market cap of 174 BILLION USD
2016-01-11T01:24:07 < ReadError> 7 times that of paypal/ebay
2016-01-11T01:24:26 < KreAture_> My bank only refer to their communication with them
2016-01-11T01:24:29 < KreAture_> as part of their vetting
2016-01-11T01:24:52 < KreAture_> I was told to not use them or their protection against net fraud and such would not apply
2016-01-11T01:25:18 < KreAture_> Same goes for any payments to Nigeria
2016-01-11T01:25:21 < zyp> haha
2016-01-11T01:25:24 < KreAture_> no protection
2016-01-11T01:25:34 < KreAture_> identity theft etc
2016-01-11T01:25:35 < PeterM> KreAture_, everything in life is a calculated risk, the risk of buying from aliexpress is greater that your item will arrive in poor condition or broken is exponentially higher than having your  creditcard information stolen
2016-01-11T01:25:40 < zyp> I found some fraudulent transactions on my CC last month
2016-01-11T01:25:57 < PeterM> and at the same rate, paying with cash is a calculated risk, someone could mug you and take your cash
2016-01-11T01:25:59 < zyp> I'm not sure how they got there, and after I complained to the bank I got it all refunded
2016-01-11T01:26:03 < zyp> so I'm happy
2016-01-11T01:26:23 < KreAture_> PeterM that may well be, but as long as my bank has the option of saying what and who I may deal with before they revoke their guarantees, I would rather follow that
2016-01-11T01:26:28 < kakimir> 404 KreAture_
2016-01-11T01:26:32 < kakimir> fuk this
2016-01-11T01:26:36 < KreAture_> ?
2016-01-11T01:26:45 < ReadError> why would a company worth $174billion want to steal your CC info?
2016-01-11T01:26:49 < zyp> KreAture_, which bank?
2016-01-11T01:26:51 < PeterM> KreAture_, good for you, but dont complain about it because it is your choice
2016-01-11T01:26:59 < KreAture_> I am not saying they do, I am saying that my bank thinks someone can
2016-01-11T01:27:18 < zyp> sounds like your bank is full of shit
2016-01-11T01:27:22 < ReadError> sounds like ur bank is not informed ;/
2016-01-11T01:27:30 < KreAture_> If they had responded to the requests with guarantees, and information about what external company has vetted their security the result would have been different
2016-01-11T01:27:42 < zyp> have you considered switching banks?
2016-01-11T01:27:46 < KreAture_> Instead they said they did it themselves
2016-01-11T01:27:46 < zyp> or getting a third party CC?
2016-01-11T01:28:06 < KreAture_> more to keep track of?  No thanks, I just avoid those orders and live on
2016-01-11T01:28:13 < KreAture_> Not gonna miss out much
2016-01-11T01:28:35 < zyp> idk, I'm not thinking about the orders
2016-01-11T01:28:50 < zyp> I just don't want to deal with a bank that's being an asshole
2016-01-11T01:29:31 < ReadError> hows that work anyways, you have to call the bank and vet every place you use your CC otherwise you can get fucked if unrelated fraud happens?
2016-01-11T01:29:35 < PeterM> KreAture_, what if your bank steals your cc information and your money!
2016-01-11T01:29:40 < PeterM> OH NOES THEYVE ALREADY GOT Y OUR MONEY!@
2016-01-11T01:29:47 < PeterM> WHAT TO DO NOW!?!
2016-01-11T01:29:52 < KreAture_> sigh
2016-01-11T01:29:55 < KreAture_> are you 14?
2016-01-11T01:29:57 < ReadError> if some company is gonna jack your CC info, they arent going to use it with themselves
2016-01-11T01:30:06 < ReadError> thats like, waaaay too obvious
2016-01-11T01:30:10 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-01-11T01:30:29 < KreAture_> My buddy at work uses aliexpress and has had refunds after finding double transactions though
2016-01-11T01:31:19 < KreAture_> aha
2016-01-11T01:31:26 < KreAture_> They actually list they use verisign now
2016-01-11T01:31:28 < KreAture_> They did not before
2016-01-11T01:32:29 < KreAture_> http://activities.aliexpress.com/adcms/help-aliexpress-com/categories_Payment.php
2016-01-11T01:32:34 < KreAture_> Go here and ask how to pay with creditcard
2016-01-11T01:32:36 < KreAture_> 404
2016-01-11T01:32:37 < KreAture_> lol
2016-01-11T01:33:26 < ReadError> well thats just their help section
2016-01-11T01:33:34 < ReadError> nobody reads that stuff
2016-01-11T01:33:38 < KreAture_> lol
2016-01-11T01:35:20 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/lfbOwtu.png
2016-01-11T01:35:30 < ReadError> almost 4000$ in purchases I guess
2016-01-11T01:35:47 < KreAture_> ali?
2016-01-11T01:35:50 < KreAture_> cool
2016-01-11T01:36:27 < KreAture_> I guess I agree with my bank though, it does not instill confidence when I cannot get any information on how they secure payments
2016-01-11T01:36:39 < KreAture_> They keep talking about guarantees and such
2016-01-11T01:36:47 < KreAture_> but nothing about how, and who
2016-01-11T01:36:55 < KreAture_> if they use an insurer or do it themselves etc
2016-01-11T01:37:02 < KreAture_> and nothing about when they use encryption
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2016-01-11T01:37:13 < KreAture_> Pay dialogue here comes up in a non https site
2016-01-11T01:37:16 < KreAture_> weird
2016-01-11T01:37:22 < ReadError> you know how the payment stuff works right?
2016-01-11T01:37:34 < ReadError> you pay ali
2016-01-11T01:37:40 < ReadError> then when you get item
2016-01-11T01:37:48 < ReadError> ali pays seller
2016-01-11T01:38:15 < KreAture_> yes, but how alipay is securing the data is missing
2016-01-11T01:38:22 < KreAture_> and I did not see any encryption being acrive
2016-01-11T01:38:51 < ReadError> surely china has compliance  for stuff like this
2016-01-11T01:39:02 < PeterM> KreAture_, maybe the frame is in a https connection
2016-01-11T01:39:17 < PeterM> but not the entire page
2016-01-11T01:39:51 < KreAture_> PeterM maby but that is a very nasty way to do it
2016-01-11T01:39:59 < KreAture_> and very hard to verify
2016-01-11T01:40:17 < KreAture_> a picture saying secure doesn't really do much
2016-01-11T01:40:48 < PeterM> how is that a nastty way to do it?
2016-01-11T01:40:54 < KreAture_> http://www.cnbc.com/2014/12/10/massive-security-flaw-in-alibaba-marketplace.html
2016-01-11T01:41:00 < KreAture_> There were problems a few years back
2016-01-11T01:41:52 < KreAture_> It actually matches perfectly with my banks notice NOT to use em so it may be why
2016-01-11T01:42:08 < KreAture_> if it's closed my bank should do a review on that and say it's ok again but they have not
2016-01-11T01:42:14  * KreAture_ sends a mail asking for new info
2016-01-11T01:42:43 < PeterM> http://www.ibtimes.com/paypal-accounts-hacked-click-engineer-uncovers-potential-security-breach-1735158 implying paypal doesnt have issues too
2016-01-11T01:43:11 < KreAture_> never said so
2016-01-11T01:43:20 < KreAture_> and they did send a notice on paypal, and then two weeks later an ok
2016-01-11T01:43:33 < KreAture_> I guess they just dropped the ball here and never followed up their warning with a new review
2016-01-11T01:43:40 < KreAture_> wouldn't be surprising really
2016-01-11T01:44:51 < KreAture_> Luckally we have a service here I can check with
2016-01-11T01:45:00 < PeterM> ReadError, i just had an awesome idea
2016-01-11T01:46:10 < PeterM> hey R2COM what do you think about KreAture_ and his care in his online purchases, do you thik his methods are valid and his fears too? I would liek a point by point rebuttle to both me and KreAture_
2016-01-11T01:46:30 < KreAture_> IN 2013 and 2014 there were multiple complaints on aliexpress with the tracker here, in 2015 almost none
2016-01-11T01:46:34 < KreAture_> that looks better
2016-01-11T01:49:53 < PeterM> do you buy stuff online?
2016-01-11T01:50:35 < PeterM> i mean you buy your russian military surplus online right?
2016-01-11T01:51:02 < KreAture_> lol
2016-01-11T01:51:11 < KreAture_> R2COM is a ebay ninja
2016-01-11T01:51:12 < zyp> do they sell migs on ebay?
2016-01-11T01:51:24 < KreAture_> zyp if they did I'd have one!
2016-01-11T01:51:52 < PeterM> zyp no only sukhoi
2016-01-11T01:53:36 < upgrdman> yak54
2016-01-11T01:53:53 < KreAture_> :)
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2016-01-11T01:54:06 < Laurenceb_> check your multicellular privilege, shitlord
2016-01-11T01:57:16 < BrainDamage> #prokaryoteslivesmatter
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2016-01-11T01:58:25 < upgrdman> "if you have to say it, it isn't true"
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2016-01-11T02:00:29 < Laurenceb_> supposedly you can buy second hand migs
2016-01-11T02:00:32 < Laurenceb_> http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20110206/NEWS01/702069910
2016-01-11T02:00:35 < Laurenceb_> pricey
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2016-01-11T02:03:01 < kakimir> yo bubba
2016-01-11T02:03:12 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jh_vXyaYd0
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2016-01-11T02:22:45 < dongs> jpa-: hm i se.
2016-01-11T02:22:49 < dongs> jpa-: yeah makefile switch is gone already.
2016-01-11T02:22:52 < dongs> but its still fucked.
2016-01-11T02:23:22 < dongs> sup
2016-01-11T02:23:30 < KreAture_> dongs !
2016-01-11T02:23:35 < KreAture_> just in time for my bed
2016-01-11T02:23:38 < KreAture_> err time
2016-01-11T02:23:43 < KreAture_> lol that came out wrong
2016-01-11T02:24:46 < dongs> about to start some innovation ymself
2016-01-11T02:25:15 < KreAture_> Yey inno!
2016-01-11T02:25:21 < KreAture_> :)
2016-01-11T02:25:45 < KreAture_> dongs I'm doing electronics for a cybernetic hand replacement at work (yes a prosthetic hand)
2016-01-11T02:25:55 < KreAture_> finally a fun project
2016-01-11T02:25:56 < KreAture_> :)
2016-01-11T02:26:20 < dongs> cool
2016-01-11T02:27:06 < KreAture_> dongs I wanted to use a stm32 in bga but the stupid board mfg wanted too much for the 0.4mm pitch stuff
2016-01-11T02:27:25 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-11T02:27:25 < KreAture_> Ended up using a larger package
2016-01-11T02:27:29 < KreAture_> annoying
2016-01-11T02:27:36 < dongs> thats the problem i had with this
2016-01-11T02:27:37 < KreAture_> very small board 30mm dia and 106 components
2016-01-11T02:27:46 < dongs> R2COM: no you didnt
2016-01-11T02:27:51 < KreAture_> :)
2016-01-11T02:27:57 < KreAture_> R2COM what cost?
2016-01-11T02:28:01 < dongs> a single oshpark-spec'd via would make a hole the size of that BGA
2016-01-11T02:28:23 < dongs> R2COM: 0.4mm bga requires microvia for more than 2 rows to breakout and 3.7mil traces
2016-01-11T02:28:35 < KreAture_> last board I dud I used 0.2mm blind vias with 0.1mm annular
2016-01-11T02:28:35 < PeterM> iirc the UFBGA have depoupulated balls meanign that you can route 90% of the pins just fine o n6/6
2016-01-11T02:28:38 < dongs> you're full of shit
2016-01-11T02:28:59 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/pol/src/1452446252077.jpg
2016-01-11T02:29:04 < dongs> stm32 bga is 8x8 grid of 0.4mm
2016-01-11T02:29:12 < dongs> there's no way 18mil via fits between them
2016-01-11T02:29:44 < KreAture_> atmel bga is 0.5 and 0.8 no?
2016-01-11T02:29:56 < KreAture_> stm32 uses nastyness in 0.4
2016-01-11T02:30:03 < KreAture_> 0.4 is flyshit spacing
2016-01-11T02:30:04 < KreAture_> lol
2016-01-11T02:30:16 < Laurenceb_> arent there any decent pcb places that will do?
2016-01-11T02:30:23 < dongs> atmel trash is 0.8mm
2016-01-11T02:30:27 < dongs> newb territory
2016-01-11T02:30:36 < dongs> Ball Pitch0.8
2016-01-11T02:30:48 < KreAture_> I don't have to use pcb places at work, I have access to proper manufacturers and can pick and choose, but it gets expensive very fast when stuff goes small
2016-01-11T02:31:18 < KreAture_> They do use abroad boardhouses but it's not up to me, I go by specs
2016-01-11T02:31:28 < KreAture_> still, fun stuff
2016-01-11T02:31:48 < KreAture_> how goes the lovely control boards dongs ?
2016-01-11T02:31:57 < KreAture_> Now that you got offloaded on mfg and sales I expect you can breathe
2016-01-11T02:32:09 < KreAture_> Must be nice now vs earlier
2016-01-11T02:32:46 < KreAture_> we still love the naze32 at work
2016-01-11T02:33:03 < KreAture_> It doesn't do well in massive crashes though, a guy has killed 4 units LOL
2016-01-11T02:33:16 < KreAture_> His designs fly like a brick
2016-01-11T02:33:45 < zyp> haha, killed how?
2016-01-11T02:34:10 < KreAture_> zyp parys fly off board when scraped against alu rods that broke off in crash
2016-01-11T02:34:13 < KreAture_> parts
2016-01-11T02:34:32 < KreAture_> after flying like a brick it lands like about 4lbs of clay
2016-01-11T02:34:42 < zyp> haha
2016-01-11T02:34:49 < PeterM> the stm32s that come in UFBGA100, 7 x 7 mm, 0.5 mm pitch are doable on oshpark designrules, there is a large depopul;ated section in the middle to escape traces
2016-01-11T02:35:04 < zyp> oh, wait, I've ripped parts off boards before too
2016-01-11T02:35:34 < KreAture_> PeterM yeah I needed to use the 5x5mm one
2016-01-11T02:35:48 < KreAture_> ended up simply moving some stuff aside and stepping it up
2016-01-11T02:36:06 < KreAture_> and dropping pin count to fit, 48 pins and used 47
2016-01-11T02:36:07 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-01-11T02:36:35 < KreAture_> Oh well, bedtime I think.  Tomorrow I need to finish a hal and deliver a test to customer
2016-01-11T02:36:45 < KreAture_> Then they can start having some fun.
2016-01-11T02:36:54 < KreAture_> Getting new boards is my fav
2016-01-11T02:37:00 < KreAture_> waiting for mfg sucks
2016-01-11T02:37:26 < zyp> finishing a design is my fav, means I get to slack off when I wait for mfg
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2016-01-11T02:40:29 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-01-11T02:40:43 < KreAture_> I have mockups and do fw while waiting for hw
2016-01-11T02:41:25 < zyp> bedtime is a good idea though
2016-01-11T02:41:28 < zyp> gonna do the same
2016-01-11T02:41:48 < KreAture_> :)
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2016-01-11T02:48:59 < dongs> i gotta finish routing a couple more traces on the dellfixer
2016-01-11T02:49:08 < dongs> and decide if i want leds and shit on it
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2016-01-11T03:00:39 < upgrdman> so kawaii  http://i.imgur.com/Tdqga1B.gifv
2016-01-11T03:07:14 < dongs> fucking w eebs
2016-01-11T03:08:10 < BrainDamage> more shit links https://www.reddit.com/r/VancouverJobs/comments/4051k3/hiring_be_a_part_of_the_thriving_underground/
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2016-01-11T03:18:10 < upgrdman> sweet tattoo  http://i.imgur.com/DHlI3rF.jpg
2016-01-11T03:18:49 < dongs> how old is that female creature watching
2016-01-11T03:19:09 < PeterM> somehwere between 12 and 40
2016-01-11T03:19:49 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/nTIhsc5
2016-01-11T03:20:14 < dongs> ah finally appropriate treatment for DHL
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2016-01-11T03:22:52 < kakimir> what is the absolute cheapest cortex development shiet with programmer out ther?
2016-01-11T03:23:04 < upgrdman> f0disco?
2016-01-11T03:24:16 < upgrdman> found young kakimir   http://i.imgur.com/RoP82Iw.gifv
2016-01-11T03:25:04 < dongs> lolol
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2016-01-11T03:25:14 < BrainDamage> 6/10 he didn't eat it
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2016-01-11T03:34:11 < upgrdman> cool  https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GCC6-Misleading-Indentation
2016-01-11T03:43:36 < kakimir> so true
2016-01-11T03:43:40 < kakimir> upgrdman
2016-01-11T03:43:48 < upgrdman> :)
2016-01-11T03:43:58 < kakimir> looks pretty muh like me
2016-01-11T03:44:23 < kakimir> acts pretty much like me
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2016-01-11T04:02:44 < kakimir> I have driven lorry for work
2016-01-11T04:02:55 < kakimir> summerwork ripoff
2016-01-11T04:05:53 < kakimir> never do summerwork ripoff again
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2016-01-11T04:51:36 < bilboquet_> rewolff, thank you for the clarification on the mosfets (& tri state) yesterday.
2016-01-11T04:53:01 < bilboquet_> I thought I had found a tip. but it usual.
2016-01-11T04:53:55 < Getty> http://i.imgur.com/QfD8bD3.jpg ..... "NEVER OBSOLETE"
2016-01-11T04:59:39 < dongs> insanely old pic
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2016-01-11T05:14:22 < upgrdman> whening calc'ing ENOB for an ADC, would SINAD be the SFDR?
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2016-01-11T05:31:38 < yan_> trying to use a SPI port on stm32l1, i am spinning on RXNE being reset, and it's not being reset. I made sure APB clock is enabled and the port is enabled, am i missing anything?
2016-01-11T05:34:51 < upgrdman> spi enabled before you try to config ut>
2016-01-11T05:34:54 < upgrdman> *it?
2016-01-11T05:43:14 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: yep, also realize how dorky you just sounded
2016-01-11T05:43:28 < upgrdman> lol
2016-01-11T05:43:43 < upgrdman> i didnt invent the acrynoms!
2016-01-11T05:44:44 < BrainDamage> wait a sec
2016-01-11T05:44:54 < BrainDamage> iirc SINAD considers total power integrated
2016-01-11T05:45:09 < BrainDamage> while SFDR is just peak to peak
2016-01-11T05:45:26 < BrainDamage> so no, they are not interchangeable
2016-01-11T05:45:40 < upgrdman> hmm  k
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2016-01-11T05:46:11 < BrainDamage> also remember to account the *actual* input signal power
2016-01-11T05:46:19 < BrainDamage> don't use the fullscale range
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2016-01-11T05:46:42 < BrainDamage> because that further reduces your dynamic
2016-01-11T05:55:36 < yan_> upgrdman: that was it, thanks
2016-01-11T05:55:42 < upgrdman> :)
2016-01-11T05:56:05 < upgrdman> rule of thumb: other than RCC, anything you poke needs to have it's clock enabled first.
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2016-01-11T06:07:22 < yan_> sigh, now having usart issues.. rx interrupt is being hit nonstop
2016-01-11T06:07:58 < yan_> hm i see some code examples clear the pending bit, and some aren't clearing it
2016-01-11T06:09:16 < fenugrec> yan_ what does the RM say about the RX flag ? is it cleared when you read the RX register
2016-01-11T06:09:48 < yan_> fenugrec: i'm not reading the RX register since USART_SR_RXNE isn't set
2016-01-11T06:10:00 < yan_> it's still constantly firing the irq though
2016-01-11T06:10:06 < fenugrec> so what's the interrupt, RX error ?
2016-01-11T06:12:28 < yan_> heh, USART->SR is 111111010
2016-01-11T06:12:49 < yan_> looks like the only bits that are off are PE and NE
2016-01-11T06:13:18 < fenugrec> yan_  that's like,  "everything is wrong"  interrupt ?
2016-01-11T06:13:18 < yan_> it's also being hit immediately after enabling the usart
2016-01-11T06:13:34 < fenugrec> I usually clear interrupt flags just before enabling the periph
2016-01-11T06:13:51 < yan_> just SR = 0?
2016-01-11T06:13:52 < fenugrec> even though the reset value for those flags is 0
2016-01-11T06:14:20 < fenugrec> not sure what stm32 you're using, I see USARTx_ISR ?
2016-01-11T06:14:40 < yan_> stm32l151
2016-01-11T06:15:58 < fenugrec> oops well no you can't write 0 to _ISR
2016-01-11T06:16:18 < fenugrec> you need the "interrupt flag clear register" probably, USARTx_ICR ? not sure if you have that. Sorry, I'm only familiar with F072
2016-01-11T06:17:17 < fenugrec> yan_ also make sure you have only the interrupts you want, enabled in the control regs
2016-01-11T06:17:44 < fenugrec> => if you only want RX interrupts, you only want RXNEIE set
2016-01-11T06:17:46 < fenugrec> etc
2016-01-11T06:18:26 < fenugrec> good luck, gtg
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2016-01-11T06:30:36 < yan_> thanks
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2016-01-11T06:45:12 < yan_> hm anyone else has an idea why USART1->SR is lit up like a christmas tree? (it's set to 11111000 inside a usart isr that had just USART_IT_RXNE enabled)
2016-01-11T06:46:13 < yan_> this is how i configure the usart: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/4ab4ca464c6d372c5703
2016-01-11T06:46:43 < dongs> did you clear the RXNE flag in ISR
2016-01-11T06:46:46 < dongs> after receiving
2016-01-11T06:47:36 < yan_> dongs: hm so i haven't seen any of the ST example code clear it
2016-01-11T06:48:38 < yan_> also, this is not working with the ST peripheral library, i have examples with libopencm3 that worked without clearing the flag
2016-01-11T06:48:52 < dongs> oh
2016-01-11T06:48:54 < dongs> maybe its celared by reading DR
2016-01-11T06:48:57 < dongs> which you do, of course right?
2016-01-11T06:49:23 < yan_> oooh man
2016-01-11T06:49:33 < yan_> haha, my arch-specific handler for usart_recv was empty
2016-01-11T06:49:34 < yan_> sigh.
2016-01-11T06:52:26 < yan_> thanks
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2016-01-11T07:20:22 < Rob235> should a pressure sensor be slightly hidden to keep it out of the wind?
2016-01-11T07:21:11 < dongs> not only slightly
2016-01-11T07:21:19 < dongs> it needs to be completely covered
2016-01-11T07:21:24 < dongs> also from light
2016-01-11T07:21:41 < Rob235> why? temperature?
2016-01-11T07:21:44 < dongs> light
2016-01-11T07:22:19 < Rob235> what does light do
2016-01-11T07:25:44 < Rob235> does it need to be submerged in water too?
2016-01-11T07:25:56 < dongs> yes, in 100 meters of water minimum
2016-01-11T07:26:17 < Rob235> thats what I thought
2016-01-11T07:26:33 < jpa-> i suggest you dig a 1 kilometer hole in ground, put the sensor there (preferrably with arduino) and then cover it with concrete
2016-01-11T07:26:41 < dongs> yes
2016-01-11T07:50:44 < dongs>  <@wolfmanjm> with GDB full debuggong capability, I hav eno idea what your problem is
2016-01-11T07:50:48 < dongs> attn jpa- ^
2016-01-11T07:50:50 < dongs>  <@wolfmanjm> we don;t use jtrag or SWD so again you are on your own
2016-01-11T07:50:53 < dongs> lol
2016-01-11T07:51:25 < jpa-> wouldn't expect anything else.. i guess they like MRI
2016-01-11T07:51:35 < jpa-> for me it never worked reasonably, even though i use gdb
2016-01-11T07:52:03 < dongs>  <@wolfmanjm> MRI has full GDB capability
2016-01-11T07:52:04 < dongs>  <@wolfmanjm> there is no need for jtag or swd
2016-01-11T07:52:11 < dongs> lol.
2016-01-11T07:55:05 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/Jerkware/blob/production/build/mbed_custom.cpp#L59   i think this is what i disabled
2016-01-11T07:55:17 < jpa-> (who the heck puts source files in a directory called "build"..)
2016-01-11T07:57:19 < dongs> you mean #if0 that shit?
2016-01-11T07:57:32 < dongs> i would hope MRIENABLE Shit would get disabled by not building it..
2016-01-11T07:58:01 < jpa-> yeah, i think i commented it.. i think MRIENABLE was defined in many places or something like that
2016-01-11T07:58:12 < dongs> also lol @ jerkware
2016-01-11T07:58:13 < dongs> ah
2016-01-11T07:59:26 < dongs> ok made binary like 3k smaller
2016-01-11T07:59:30 < dongs> lets hope thats all
2016-01-11T07:59:37 < dongs> do you remember offhand which is hte main dicker script for that thing is
2016-01-11T07:59:42 < dongs> so i can t emporarily stick it to 0 in flash
2016-01-11T07:59:44 < dongs> instead of bootlaoding
2016-01-11T08:00:40 < dongs> haha theres liek 20 of htem
2016-01-11T08:02:10 < dongs> mbed/src/vendor/NXP/cmsis/LPC1768/GCC_ARM/LPC1768.ld
2016-01-11T08:02:11 < dongs> looks liek this one
2016-01-11T08:02:48 < jpa-> probably; though who cares if you just place it at 0x1000 or whatever it goes to by default, debugger can start it from there?
2016-01-11T08:03:03 < dongs> oh hm
2016-01-11T08:03:06 < dongs> i suppose
2016-01-11T08:03:20 < jpa-> why are you smoothing the wares, btw?
2016-01-11T08:03:21 < dongs> anyway at least i know where it is
2016-01-11T08:03:40 < dongs> jpa-: pal cloning the board wiht some shit, wants ot add some actual features instead of just jerking off, but cant debug on hardware
2016-01-11T08:03:46 < dongs> got tired of hearing him whine about printf debugigng
2016-01-11T08:03:48 < dongs> doing something about it.
2016-01-11T08:03:54 < jpa-> makes sense
2016-01-11T08:04:27 < jpa-> it's not actually that bad, especially if you fix the few stupid pcb fuckups
2016-01-11T08:04:52 < jpa-> like having "+" next to minus pin on the power connector..
2016-01-11T08:05:03 < dongs> i donno, i didnt ahve anythign to do wiht hardware except a quick look over
2016-01-11T08:05:10 < dongs> he used those TMC 256step drivers and whatever shit
2016-01-11T08:05:14 < dongs> i dont know/care
2016-01-11T08:05:21 < dongs> just makign this work so i dont have to hear whining anymore
2016-01-11T08:06:12 < jpa-> next he'll notice that smoothie cannot step fast enough to be useful with 256x microstep :P  (but i guess the driver has a pin to configure that)
2016-01-11T08:06:40 < dongs> that's way beyond my level of care
2016-01-11T08:07:04 < dongs> k now to get it into dicklipse and make sure it works and im done
2016-01-11T08:12:04 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/z00oNLr.gif
2016-01-11T08:12:22 < dongs> what is this pixelated garbage
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2016-01-11T08:14:28 < upgrdman> lolwut   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BplsGX5eLLo&feature=youtu.be
2016-01-11T08:15:54 < dongs> dear fucking god what is checksumm.h in jerkware
2016-01-11T08:16:34 < jpa-> have they finally removed that from smoothieware? :)
2016-01-11T08:16:40 < dongs> no
2016-01-11T08:16:51 < dongs> what the fuck does it do?
2016-01-11T08:16:59 < dongs> does it jsut checksum over a block of memory?
2016-01-11T08:17:30 < jpa-> nope, it checksums over a string at compile time
2016-01-11T08:17:46 < jpa-> because they decided they don't have enough memory to store constant strings for the config param names
2016-01-11T08:18:09 < jpa-> also, the macro expansion is about 100 kilobytes long, in a single line
2016-01-11T08:18:16 < jpa-> IDEs tend to not like it
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2016-01-11T08:35:44 < upgrdman> anyone used a grill like this? like it?  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000AZK85
2016-01-11T08:46:12 < dongs> jpa, how did you make it start at 0x4000?
2016-01-11T08:46:18 < dongs> with GNU TOOLZ
2016-01-11T08:46:57 < jpa-> load, run
2016-01-11T08:47:05 < jpa-> should be automatic in gdb atleast
2016-01-11T08:47:35 < bilboquet_> What is your preference for small connector like that ( pitch 2 mm ) :  http://www.newark.com/hirose-hrs/df3a-4p-2dsa/wire-to-board-connector-df3-series/dp/24R6033
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2016-01-11T08:48:38 < jpa-> something nonstandard that you can never identify again
2016-01-11T08:48:53 < jpa-> preferrably in some 7 pin or other variant that is not commonly available
2016-01-11T08:49:17 < dongs> there's JST-EH/PH
2016-01-11T08:49:20 < dongs> thats similar format
2016-01-11T08:49:24 < dongs> and a bit more clones
2016-01-11T08:49:42 < dongs> i think EH is 2mm, and PH is 2.5mm pitch
2016-01-11T08:49:44 < dongs> or other way around
2016-01-11T08:50:06 < bilboquet_> i have ordered somme jst too for test
2016-01-11T08:50:32 < dongs> i just spent 30 seconds looking for "set breakpoint" in eclipse
2016-01-11T08:50:33 < dongs> holy fuck
2016-01-11T08:50:36 < dongs> do people acutally use that shit
2016-01-11T08:50:55 < dongs> right click menu on source line has EVERYTHIGN BUT THIS
2016-01-11T08:50:56 < dongs> lol.
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2016-01-11T08:52:44 < dongs> jpa-: its starting at 0x0
2016-01-11T08:55:40 < jpa-> does that matter? bootloader should pass it along, right?
2016-01-11T08:56:18 < dongs> didnt stick one in
2016-01-11T08:56:21 < dongs> no big deal
2016-01-11T08:56:25 < dongs> move to 0 and its working
2016-01-11T09:02:36 < dongs> <pal> what the fuck. yes, working
2016-01-11T09:02:38 < dongs> lol
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2016-01-11T10:32:16 < dongs>  <@wolfmanjm> dongs if yu are not civil you will be banned, you have been warned too many times. MRI works perfectly well and just leave it at that. Your problems are yours, so del with it.
2016-01-11T10:32:20 < dongs>  <@wolfmanjm> if you continue to insult the developers here you will not be tolerated. between us we have far more experience than you, so show some respect. the guy that wrote MRI is on eof the most experienced engineers I have come across.
2016-01-11T10:32:25 < dongs>  <@wolfmanjm> and I have over 40 years professional experience in this field
2016-01-11T10:32:58 < dongs> MRI is literally the definition of a solution looking for a problem
2016-01-11T10:33:10 < dongs> i dont give the slightest fuck of how competent the guy who wrote it is
2016-01-11T10:33:44 < PeterM> mri as in magnetic resonance imaging or some other mri thing
2016-01-11T10:33:53 < dongs> no
2016-01-11T10:33:58 < dongs> its some trash for LPCxxxx
2016-01-11T10:34:02 < dongs> that is basically a runtime gdb stub
2016-01-11T10:34:06 < dongs> that works over serial
2016-01-11T10:34:09 < PeterM> oh, then whatever it is, you you're very likely right
2016-01-11T10:34:11 < dongs> so you can 'debug' using.. ftdi adapters.
2016-01-11T10:34:38 < PaulFertser> dongs: well, debug stubs and monitors is the traditional and time-proven way to debug stuff...
2016-01-11T10:34:45 < PaulFertser> dongs: does it really not work btw?
2016-01-11T10:34:51 < PaulFertser> That MRI they're using.
2016-01-11T10:35:02 < PaulFertser> Or you just do not want to use gdb?
2016-01-11T10:35:10 < dongs> i have no idea, why would I use it when ARM provides cortex debug thats prefectly usable?!
2016-01-11T10:35:24 < dongs> i am using gdb
2016-01-11T10:35:26 < dongs> with jlink
2016-01-11T10:35:29 < PeterM> it sounds like someone had a ftdi adapter sitting around and was liek  "hmm.. should i spend $5 on a jlink clone or not?"
2016-01-11T10:35:29 < dongs> and debugging over swd just fine
2016-01-11T10:36:41 < dongs> i mean hurrrrr what should I choose?? hardware debug core that can step/inspect memory/do whatever with tools I currently own, or some potentially buggy software thing that will crash together with the core and may not have half the features of the hardware thing?!
2016-01-11T10:37:06 < dongs> and one that communicates over a fucking uart
2016-01-11T10:37:17 < dongs> totally choosing MRI for my next projecct!!111
2016-01-11T10:37:26 < PaulFertser> dongs: of course if you have swd adapter you should be choosing OCD. But it doesn't mean MRI is bad, right?
2016-01-11T10:37:58 < dongs> PaulFertser: i dont know, but it should not prevent me from debugging normally
2016-01-11T10:38:03 < dongs> but it does, due to their code beign shit
2016-01-11T10:38:11 < zyp> internal debugger thing can be convenient if it's just an additional ACM interface on an existing USB port or something
2016-01-11T10:38:13 < dongs> because they forget to remove initialization of it evne when its unused by makefile
2016-01-11T10:38:14 < PaulFertser> Right, it shouldn't prevent swd debug.
2016-01-11T10:38:36 < dongs> zyp, its not. they connect it to uart0
2016-01-11T10:38:37 < dongs> or wahtever.
2016-01-11T10:38:52 < zyp> the workstuff I made that F4 board for did that
2016-01-11T10:39:18 < zyp> was certainly convenient when shit still were running on avr32 and nobody had avr32 jtag gear
2016-01-11T10:39:28 < dongs> lols
2016-01-11T10:40:45 < dongs> anyway, wahtever
2016-01-11T10:40:56 < dongs> my involvement in this was setting up working swd environment for the clonerpal
2016-01-11T10:41:02 < dongs> thats done, so my carea bout MRI goes back to below zero level
2016-01-11T10:41:32 < dongs> i've written gdbstubs for brew phone crap back in like 1996, not really something i want to do or care about again
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2016-01-11T10:50:24 < Steffanx> How was the trolling scene back in 1996 dongs?
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2016-01-11T10:54:58 < PeterM> Steffanx, he was 100% full time professional irc troll
2016-01-11T10:55:09 < dongs> still am
2016-01-11T10:55:21 < dongs> you can check my references at linked in
2016-01-11T10:55:33 < PeterM> pssssh
2016-01-11T10:57:43 < dongs> haha ivan reedman deleted all his previous job experience from linked in
2016-01-11T10:57:53 < dongs> https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivan-reedman-7b159237
2016-01-11T10:58:00 < dongs> now he;s just an unemployed inventor
2016-01-11T10:59:01 < zyp> did he invent any more all asm trig functions lately?
2016-01-11T10:59:10 < dongs> havent been any zano news at all
2016-01-11T11:00:28 < englishman> omg zano chats
2016-01-11T11:00:37 < englishman> what did that paid journalist do
2016-01-11T11:00:39 < dongs> zano means innovation
2016-01-11T11:00:40 < dongs> nothing yet
2016-01-11T11:00:45 < dongs> JUST LIEK ZANO
2016-01-11T11:00:46 < dongs> lOL!l1l!1
2016-01-11T11:02:11 < englishman> in innovator news dongulus bought another 37 companies that capture and render different body parts in realtime
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2016-01-11T11:03:16 < dongs> you mean facebook bought
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2016-01-11T11:33:28 < Sync> working at the fundamental layers. :D
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2016-01-11T12:02:14 < dongs> < arthur-_> dongs: I don't care about the topic at hand, I care about your repeated bad behavior here
2016-01-11T12:02:14 < dongs> < arthur-_> dongs: you'll get excluded if you don't change that
2016-01-11T12:02:14 < dongs> jeeeeeeeeesus fuck
2016-01-11T12:02:15 < dongs> these people are so serious on irc
2016-01-11T12:02:15 < dongs> im dying here
2016-01-11T12:02:16 < PeterM> what channel is this, i wanna isten in
2016-01-11T12:02:16 < dongs> its over, i dont think he gets it
2016-01-11T12:02:16 < dongs> it was in #smoothiedev
2016-01-11T12:02:16  * PeterM get the popcorn ready
2016-01-11T12:02:16 < PeterM> naw
2016-01-11T12:02:16 < dongs> in the unlikely event that I might need those kikes help sometime next yeuar, I'll just shut up
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2016-01-11T12:09:04 < lorenzo> bought some stm8 ;o
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2016-01-11T12:17:13 < englishman> so, it uses flash and a uart to do less than the hardware debugger does, and slower
2016-01-11T12:17:20 < dongs> yes
2016-01-11T12:17:30 < englishman> like lunix
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2016-01-11T12:21:48 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/u9RQJHl.jpg dellfixinginnovation routed
2016-01-11T12:21:57 < dongs> masked to prevent readstoner from cloning
2016-01-11T12:23:11 < Sync> dell fixing innovation?
2016-01-11T12:23:21 < dongs> yes
2016-01-11T12:23:36 < dongs> so i can power off 4K dp monitor(s) and they dont disconnect from PC
2016-01-11T12:23:43 < dongs> keeping main link running
2016-01-11T12:24:02 < Sync> hm
2016-01-11T12:24:05 < englishman> your printscr needs focusing
2016-01-11T12:24:19 < dongs> anti-readerror protection
2016-01-11T12:24:21 < englishman> now dongs
2016-01-11T12:24:21 < Sync> why would you want that?
2016-01-11T12:24:32 < englishman> You just have to make USB not disconnect too
2016-01-11T12:24:34 < englishman> :-)
2016-01-11T12:24:41 < dongs> sync, because when they disconnect, windows rearranges apps/etc that were on powered off monitor
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2016-01-11T12:24:47 < dongs> englishman: eh, usb is there just for firmware update
2016-01-11T12:24:50 < englishman> no
2016-01-11T12:24:53 < englishman> On dells
2016-01-11T12:24:58 < dongs> oh, well, thats their problem
2016-01-11T12:25:06 < dongs> i only use one USB port for soundbar
2016-01-11T12:25:09 < englishman> monitor off -> USB hub disconnect
2016-01-11T12:25:12 < dongs> ya
2016-01-11T12:25:16 < englishman> dum
2016-01-11T12:25:27 < dongs> isnt there 'keep usb power' thing in settings
2016-01-11T12:25:31 < dongs> at least i remember there was on 2414
2016-01-11T12:25:42 < englishman> oh dono, I never turn them off lol
2016-01-11T12:28:13 < Sync> fail dongs
2016-01-11T12:28:21 < dongs> no fail at all
2016-01-11T12:28:35 < dongs> just watch out for my dickstarter, it will be a super staff pic
2016-01-11T12:28:36 < dongs> k
2016-01-11T12:29:08 < Sync> well, I can just remove my external monitor and nothing happens
2016-01-11T12:29:26 < dongs> you're 1) using hdmi 2) lunix
2016-01-11T12:29:29 < Sync> and if I change resolution things move, if I change back things are back again
2016-01-11T12:29:34 < Sync> I'm using DP
2016-01-11T12:30:07 < dongs> lunix cant change screen resolution without restarting X
2016-01-11T12:30:10 < dongs> you're lying
2016-01-11T12:31:12 < Sync> stop smoking the jap weed, it is obviously not good for you
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2016-01-11T12:32:50 < zyp> OS X has this fucking annoying "oh hey, this is a new monitor arrangement, let's turn on mirror mode for you" bullshit that it does when you boot with a new arrangement
2016-01-11T12:33:08 < dongs> heh, doesnt windows too?
2016-01-11T12:33:15 < zyp> idk
2016-01-11T12:33:52 < zyp> but it's annoying because runtime, monitors get ordered by the order they are plugged in or something, while at bootup they are ordered by port number
2016-01-11T12:34:09 < zyp> so if you plug in a new monitor it's all fine, but when you reboot it gets treated as a new arrangement
2016-01-11T12:34:18 < dongs> wut
2016-01-11T12:34:46 < dongs> even fucking windows orders shit by some unique thing like EDID or serial or wahtever
2016-01-11T12:35:08 < zyp> yeah, idk
2016-01-11T12:35:47 < zyp> I got this ebay hdmi switcher with audio extractor yesterday
2016-01-11T12:36:33 < zyp> plugged it in, then had to reboot to enable hdmi audio, because I apparently never set up the gpu driver for that before
2016-01-11T12:37:39 < zyp> oh, and hdmi volume control is pretty fucking annoying as well
2016-01-11T12:38:17 < zyp> there's like 20 steps or something on the volume control, lowest step is no sound and the remaining 19 are too fucking loud
2016-01-11T12:38:50 < zyp> fucking audio extractor doesn't do volume control either
2016-01-11T12:39:06 < PaulFertser> dongs: for the reference, modern X.org versions have XRandr API to control resolutions, display arrangements etc, there's an "xrandr" cli utility and also plenty of GUIs (including Gnome and KDE-integrated) to control it.
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2016-01-11T12:50:06 < qyx> anyone into expansion tanks?
2016-01-11T12:51:22 < dongs> < zyp> <snipped>
2016-01-11T12:51:24 < dongs> ^ macfag issues
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2016-01-11T13:03:51 < zyp> haha, might be
2016-01-11T13:04:38 < zyp> never claimed it's perfect, still prefer it
2016-01-11T13:06:03 < zyp> what's everybodys favorite 5-way switch?
2016-01-11T13:06:07 < zyp> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/JS5208/EG4561-ND/1739634 <- like this shit
2016-01-11T13:06:16 < zyp> and where can I get rubber caps for those?
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2016-01-11T14:19:43 < dongs> is that the 4 pin joystick thing?
2016-01-11T14:19:49 < dongs> thats on wavesahre boards and shit?
2016-01-11T14:20:15 < dongs> my clonerpal knows knobs places
2016-01-11T14:20:16 < dongs> i can sak
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2016-01-11T14:32:57 < zyp> yeah, similar to that
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2016-01-11T14:34:07 < zyp> I figure I won't have room to fit oled, usb and a bunch of buttons in 2-module din panel front, so a single 5-way switch would fit in better
2016-01-11T14:37:58 < ReadError> <dongs> http://i.imgur.com/u9RQJHl.jpg dellfixinginnovation routed
2016-01-11T14:37:58 < ReadError> <dongs> masked to prevent readstoner from cloning
2016-01-11T14:38:10 < ReadError> lol
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2016-01-11T14:38:17 < jpa-> zyp: just put one button, the user can use morse code to set stuff
2016-01-11T14:38:35 < ReadError> i only make shit useful for me, osx+asus no probs
2016-01-11T14:38:35 < zyp> haha
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2016-01-11T14:40:55 < dongs> jpa-: zyp is the only user
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2016-01-11T14:51:57 < zyp> idk, I'm toying around with the idea of CE-certifying this shit
2016-01-11T14:52:34 < jpa-> what is ce-certifying?
2016-01-11T14:52:59 < dongs> asking chinagirl for some "CE" stickers
2016-01-11T14:53:03 < zyp> haha
2016-01-11T14:54:51 < ReadError> china export certified
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2016-01-11T14:55:32 < zyp> jpa-, I'm not sure exactly what is required
2016-01-11T14:55:46 < zyp> for a bunch of stuff you can just declare conformity, it seems
2016-01-11T14:55:47 < jpa-> yeah, my feelings exactly
2016-01-11T14:55:59 < jpa-> i guess for high voltage stuff you need some tests
2016-01-11T14:56:01 < zyp> and then for other stuff shit needs to be tested
2016-01-11T14:56:05 < zyp> EMC and whatever
2016-01-11T14:56:07 < jpa-> and for emc it is so-and-so whether you can just declare it
2016-01-11T14:56:27 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-11T14:57:04 < jpa-> as having measured it provides no extra protection if it causes trouble on the field, and in reality emc problems have to be pretty bad before you get market bans due to them
2016-01-11T15:04:30 < __rob> dont think CE is anythiung to do with china
2016-01-11T15:04:34 < __rob> its an eu thing
2016-01-11T15:04:39 < __rob> and you can self certify
2016-01-11T15:04:47 < dongs> *woosh
2016-01-11T15:04:52  * karlp laughs
2016-01-11T15:05:37  * PeterM ducks
2016-01-11T15:06:39 < __rob> did get warned I might have problems when importing a Tormach PCNC 1100 from usa, that wasn't CE certified
2016-01-11T15:06:46 < __rob> customs didn't seem to care
2016-01-11T15:08:39 < zyp> shouldn't be much high voltage stuff in the thing, I'm imagining 230V directly into a SMPS module and then a few relay contacts rated for 230V signal current
2016-01-11T15:08:47 < zyp> remaining stuff will be all 12V or lower
2016-01-11T15:09:18 < ReadError> __rob https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_marking#China_Export
2016-01-11T15:09:47 < __rob> lol
2016-01-11T15:10:00 < __rob> nice
2016-01-11T15:10:22 < __rob> blateant trying to infer eu conformity at a glance
2016-01-11T15:10:41 < karlp> zyp: including the 230v into your own device does add some directives for compliance.
2016-01-11T15:11:03 < karlp> our newer devicejust takes dc in, there's plenty of din rail power supplies you can buy,
2016-01-11T15:11:20 < dongs> karlp: he still has to switch 230V or whatever for his EV shit
2016-01-11T15:11:29 < scrts> sup gents?
2016-01-11T15:11:33 < scrts> long time no talk
2016-01-11T15:11:34 < __rob> think until someone dies from using your stuff you prob ok. Like that girl who got electrocuted through here headphones from a dodgy knock of power supply from china
2016-01-11T15:11:56 < karlp> dongs: true that
2016-01-11T15:12:18 < PeterM> __rob, everybodys forgotten about that already, aside from you and probably her mum
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2016-01-11T15:12:46 < zyp> dongs, nah, external contactor will do that
2016-01-11T15:13:51 < dongs> zyp: er? i mean, with a relay or whatever?
2016-01-11T15:15:22 < Getty> i am really keen on getting a statement of kickstarter why zano failed (given they "put a reporter into the analyse")
2016-01-11T15:15:39 < dongs> i dont think youre gonna get much more than i've blogged in here
2016-01-11T15:15:42 < Getty> if the statement is not "it was impossible from beginning on" then i really really really wanna hear what they make up as reasoning ;)
2016-01-11T15:15:47 < Getty> i know!
2016-01-11T15:15:47 < zyp> dongs, yeah, a contactor is just a huge ass relay
2016-01-11T15:15:48 < Getty> thats the sad part
2016-01-11T15:15:54 < dongs> zyp: o that.
2016-01-11T15:15:58 < zyp> typically with a 230V coil
2016-01-11T15:15:59 < Getty> kickstarter will never reveal what they found out
2016-01-11T15:16:08 < zyp> so I'll just put in some small relays to drive that
2016-01-11T15:16:17 < dongs> PWM that shit
2016-01-11T15:16:24 < dongs> make a 230V speakr.
2016-01-11T15:16:43 < __rob> Getty, we know why it failed. bad management and all their eggs in 1 basket
2016-01-11T15:16:59 < dongs> __rob: bad management of what?
2016-01-11T15:17:09 < PeterM> __rob, are you sure it isn't because they arent magicians thatcan break laws of physics
2016-01-11T15:17:09 < Getty> __rob: ???????
2016-01-11T15:17:13 < __rob> well, if your running a project like that
2016-01-11T15:17:15 < Getty> __rob: LOL
2016-01-11T15:17:17 < __rob> with 2 million quid
2016-01-11T15:17:21 < Getty> __rob: it doesnt matter how they had run it
2016-01-11T15:17:24 < __rob> you dont have 1 guy in charge
2016-01-11T15:17:29 < __rob> or engineering the whole thing
2016-01-11T15:17:29 < Getty> __rob: you cant beat reality
2016-01-11T15:17:35 < Getty> you can magical solve ONE problem, not 3287424923
2016-01-11T15:17:37 < dongs> the guy in charge was a tool anyway, but thats completely irrelevant
2016-01-11T15:17:44 < __rob> few more people and they have have been able to get something out on time
2016-01-11T15:17:50 < dongs> er
2016-01-11T15:17:50 < zyp> dongs, I'll do external contactor because I want to be able to use shit even for three phase 32A, and fuck putting that on a pcb
2016-01-11T15:17:55 < Getty> we would have believed in zano if it was actually just having _1_ magical feature
2016-01-11T15:18:04 < Getty> but that thing was filled with magical features......
2016-01-11T15:18:12 < dongs> __rob: how do you make 450mAh lipo fly 15 minutes in 2015
2016-01-11T15:18:14 < dongs> without magic
2016-01-11T15:18:21 < __rob> and if anything you would have the other engineers helping to temper the hype and actually evaluate whats possible
2016-01-11T15:18:36 < __rob> yea, but something for 5 minutes that worked would have been better then what they have now
2016-01-11T15:18:37 < __rob> which is nothing
2016-01-11T15:18:49 < Getty> __rob: whatever "have worked" would have still missed the other features
2016-01-11T15:19:00 < __rob> yea, of course
2016-01-11T15:19:06 < dongs> __rob: china is full of "whatever worked for 5 minutes" quads since years ago
2016-01-11T15:19:10 < dongs> for <=$20
2016-01-11T15:19:13 < Getty> __rob: HD videos? how? what? object collision? how? what? all with a processor that other people put in fucking smart watches ;)
2016-01-11T15:19:30 < dongs> nobody puts pic32 in a smartwatch cuz it has no power managment
2016-01-11T15:19:43 < __rob> but also, if you had hired a few others at the begining, they could have called out the bs and helped either restructure the project to something achieveable
2016-01-11T15:20:06 < __rob> or stopped it before the whole pot of cash was spent on pic32s
2016-01-11T15:20:08 < Getty> dongs: yeah no, right, it was even less powerful
2016-01-11T15:20:41 < Getty> __rob: oh i worked also for companies where i said BS to all what they do, but contract forbids public talking shit about the company
2016-01-11T15:21:31 < __rob> its not the first time, and its not gonna be the last.. the guy who did that "instant charge" battery got fundeded
2016-01-11T15:21:44 < __rob> even after being called out with simple arithmetic
2016-01-11T15:21:52 < Getty> well as i always say: ONE blackmagic thing can be believable
2016-01-11T15:21:58 < Getty> ;-)
2016-01-11T15:22:30 < __rob> think you just have to look at whats promised and make your own decision on whether its bs or not.. can't expect KS to hire experts in every field to weed out the shite
2016-01-11T15:23:14 < Getty> yeah its a complex situation
2016-01-11T15:23:16 < __rob> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/shawnpwest/30-second-charging-rechargeable-battery
2016-01-11T15:23:27 < Getty> but its also something kickstarter doesnt want to solve
2016-01-11T15:23:28 < __rob> I mean the zano was more likely to happen than that
2016-01-11T15:23:49 < dongs> no
2016-01-11T15:24:05 < dongs> when advertized, zano was a complete product ready for mass production (c) torquing.
2016-01-11T15:24:19 < dongs> all they needed was money to make 1k units or whatever.
2016-01-11T15:24:51 < Getty> i think they never actually said that, they just made a GOOD impression towards that ;)
2016-01-11T15:24:52 < __rob> yea, all that is blateant fraud
2016-01-11T15:25:07 < Getty> yeah i still think they REALLY thought they can make it
2016-01-11T15:25:28 < dongs> ivan got good at selling lies to everyone including himself
2016-01-11T15:25:34 < __rob> yea, they obviously did
2016-01-11T15:25:35 < dongs> failed when he acutally had to deliver
2016-01-11T15:25:42 < __rob> or they wouldn't have bought all the stock that they did
2016-01-11T15:25:57 < __rob> everyone bought into one guys pipe dream and the bubble burst
2016-01-11T15:26:04 < Getty> thats actually the joke, next to the kickstarter money the burned a lot of investor money too, i bet
2016-01-11T15:26:06 < dongs> how can anyoen with even a passing knowledge of EE (like anyone on irc) NOT see the problem with zano hardware in like 5 seconds?
2016-01-11T15:26:07 < __rob> apart from dongs :)
2016-01-11T15:26:25 < dongs> i mean you dont need to know quads, or anything.
2016-01-11T15:26:43 < Getty> dongs: yeah i mean there are so many things unbelievable, that at some point a brain MUST activate
2016-01-11T15:26:48 < Getty> but it didnt!
2016-01-11T15:26:50 < __rob> bet 99% of the backers hve not even a passing knowledge tho
2016-01-11T15:26:51 < dongs> zyp: did you know, george and bogdan bought matchboxarm.com after I let it expire
2016-01-11T15:27:38 < dongs> Getty: http://britneyspears.ac/lasers.htm start reading
2016-01-11T15:33:40 < zyp> heh
2016-01-11T15:33:59 < zyp> is matchboxarm still a thing?
2016-01-11T15:34:45 < Getty> what is it now ARM or arm? ;)
2016-01-11T15:37:17 < dongs> zyp, it never was
2016-01-11T15:37:33 < zyp> did they ever ship anything?
2016-01-11T15:40:07 < dongs> sure
2016-01-11T15:40:11 < dongs> like a year after
2016-01-11T15:40:15 < dongs> i mean
2016-01-11T15:40:21 < dongs> how hard was it to ship a stm32f103c8 breakout board
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2016-01-11T15:41:28 < gordonjcp> dongs: incredibly hard judging buy the cheapy chinky one I bought
2016-01-11T15:41:53 < gordonjcp> dongs: I got an email from the guy immediately saying not to file a dispute with eBay until I'd waited at least 40 days for it to be shipped to me
2016-01-11T15:42:00 < gordonjcp> it took about six working days
2016-01-11T15:42:10 < gordonjcp> really fucking hard to get that one out the door
2016-01-11T15:42:15 < gordonjcp> obviously
2016-01-11T15:42:26 < dongs> thats just china being china
2016-01-11T15:43:01 < gordonjcp> dongs: I'm guessing he's been bitten by people opening a dispute because they didn't get it the next day
2016-01-11T15:43:12 < gordonjcp> or some damn thing
2016-01-11T15:43:22 < gordonjcp> it's two quid and free shipping, from China
2016-01-11T15:43:32 < dongs> ya some kike did this shit with something he ordered from my shop
2016-01-11T15:43:44 < dongs> bought a bunch of shit, next day opens paypal dispute "I didn't get my shit"
2016-01-11T15:43:44 < gordonjcp> yeah?
2016-01-11T15:44:00 < gordonjcp> did he expect it to pop out the floppy drive slot or something?
2016-01-11T15:45:20 < dongs> forgot what i did, but hes on the  hall of fame list now thats public with  thier name + mailing address
2016-01-11T15:45:30 < dongs> i think paypal might have found that  dispute in my favor
2016-01-11T15:45:36 < dongs> since it was shipped trackable and all that shit.
2016-01-11T15:51:39 < Sync> kek
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2016-01-11T16:00:38 < akaWolf> btw is «#pragma GCC optimize» stuff working in GAE?
2016-01-11T16:01:05 < dongs> er?
2016-01-11T16:01:14 < dongs> you mean to set -O etc for a block of code?
2016-01-11T16:01:18 < dongs> it has always worked, yes
2016-01-11T16:01:58 < dongs> #pragma GCC optimize ("-O1")
2016-01-11T16:01:59 < dongs> etc/
2016-01-11T16:02:08 < ReadError> oh god where is Laurenceb
2016-01-11T16:02:09 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecJUqhm2g08
2016-01-11T16:02:53 < akaWolf> dongs: yep, I mean that
2016-01-11T16:03:03 < dongs> ya works fine
2016-01-11T16:03:14 < Sync> PaulFertser: I tried the -ggdb3 stuff but I'm too dumb to actually get values out of gdb
2016-01-11T16:03:30 < dongs> too smart for gdb more like
2016-01-11T16:03:42 < PaulFertser> Sync: if you compile and link with -ggdb3 and you use the st shit-library you should be able to do "p/x *USART1'
2016-01-11T16:04:47 < dongs> akaWolf: chances are if you need it, your code is quite broken.
2016-01-11T16:05:26 < PaulFertser> Sync: and "macro expand SOMETHING" will show you full explansion of a preprocessor macro SOMETHING>
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2016-01-11T16:07:24 < Sync> I do not use the shit lib but I see what you mean
2016-01-11T16:07:49 < Sync> ah
2016-01-11T16:07:55 < Sync> I forgot to link with -ggdb3
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2016-01-11T16:08:14 < dongs> pretty sure 'USART1' is defined by CMSIS header, not "shit lib"
2016-01-11T16:08:17 < Sync> ah nice, thanks PaulFertser
2016-01-11T16:09:28 < PaulFertser> dongs: CMSIS/Device/ST/STM32L1xx/Include/stm32l1xx.h:#define USART1              ((USART_TypeDef *) USART1_BASE)
2016-01-11T16:09:34 < dongs> yes.
2016-01-11T16:09:38 < dongs> 'cmsis'
2016-01-11T16:09:42 < PaulFertser> So right, CMSIS but it's ST specific part of it.
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2016-01-11T16:09:55 < dongs> its ok
2016-01-11T16:09:59 < dongs> that header is not so awful
2016-01-11T16:10:47 < PaulFertser> Headers like that should be autogenerated...
2016-01-11T16:11:06 < PaulFertser> From some nicely structured source data.
2016-01-11T16:11:16 < dongs> how do you know they arent
2016-01-11T16:11:24 < PaulFertser> So one can generate headers for any language or generate a fancy description for IDE etc.
2016-01-11T16:11:48 < PaulFertser> Generated files normally have a corresponding comment so one doesn't accidentally edit them.
2016-01-11T16:12:53 < zyp> when they're provided by a third party, what does it matter to you whether they are generated or not?
2016-01-11T16:13:13 < zyp> if you edit them you still have to merge changes when vendor releases a new version
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2016-01-11T16:16:33 < Sync> meh PaulFertser, then the lowest bit is on the left if I use p/t, but okay
2016-01-11T16:22:05 < PaulFertser> zyp: if vendor doesn't provide me source code for that files it means either the vendor doesn't have it (and is moronic) or it doesn't respect me and wants to limit me. I am not happy about either.
2016-01-11T16:23:42 < zyp> even more of a reason to not tell you they are generated in the first place then
2016-01-11T16:27:46 < kakimir> virtualbox sucks ass
2016-01-11T16:27:57 < zyp> ok
2016-01-11T16:29:20 < kakimir> wow.. I insulted it and now I have graphics working
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2016-01-11T16:35:03 < kakimir> I hope drag and drop and usb would work but cant have all
2016-01-11T16:36:39 < kakimir> so I was about to transfer files to lunix server to transfer them to virtual machine for compilation but then I realized
2016-01-11T16:39:27 < kakimir> I have waisted too many hours on that virtual shiet
2016-01-11T16:39:45 < kakimir> just use the server
2016-01-11T16:46:25 < karlp> virtualbox with windows host, linux guest?
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2016-01-11T16:48:49 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-11T16:49:24 < kakimir> tried to make thinks less complicated with virtual machine
2016-01-11T16:49:38 < kakimir> but with server I'm done in 2minutes
2016-01-11T16:51:12 < ReadError> use a real tool like something from vmware
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2016-01-11T16:52:26 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-11T16:52:34 < kakimir> if I had money 130eur
2016-01-11T16:53:05 < kakimir> not of my priorities to buy some propiertary software I dont need
2016-01-11T16:53:10 < ReadError> hm?
2016-01-11T16:53:12 < kakimir> lunix server is all you need
2016-01-11T16:53:13 < ReadError> player is free bruv
2016-01-11T16:53:20 < ReadError> duno if its for lunix
2016-01-11T16:53:23 < kakimir> no it's trial
2016-01-11T16:53:28 < ReadError> no no
2016-01-11T16:53:30 < ReadError> its free
2016-01-11T16:53:34 < ReadError> you download the trial
2016-01-11T16:53:34 < kakimir> show me
2016-01-11T16:53:38 < ReadError> and dont register
2016-01-11T16:53:42 < ReadError> truss me
2016-01-11T16:53:55 < ReadError> the trial is if you want the 'pro'
2016-01-11T16:54:02 < ReadError> otherwise its just plain ole player
2016-01-11T16:56:30 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39004.msg1472969#msg1472969
2016-01-11T16:56:31 < Laurenceb_> fail
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2016-01-11T17:04:26 < dongs> Did you know? In remembrance of idol David Bowie, middle school girls across the nation are reacting by offering all non incel\negro boys coupons good for one free "David Blowie" in the school bathroom of their choice.
2016-01-11T17:09:33 < kakimir> what is the difference between pro an unpro
2016-01-11T17:09:49 < dongs> uses eagle: pro
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2016-01-11T17:14:08 < karlp> I've had just as amny problems with vmware player as with virtualbox, just different ones.
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2016-01-11T17:21:49 < BrainDamage> and then there's qemu ....
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2016-01-11T18:33:02 < upgrdman_> doing this on an lpc, but does the programmer/debugger need to be told about cpu clock speed changes? everything works fine if i leave all clock settings at reset values. if i config a pll and go through all of the steps to enable it, the debugger acts weird.
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2016-01-11T18:41:58 < jpa-> upgrdman_: afaik no, i think SWD is clocked completely from the debugger not from the mcu
2016-01-11T18:43:21 < dongs> upgrdman_: welcome to LPC
2016-01-11T18:43:23 < dongs> fucking aids
2016-01-11T18:43:25 < dongs> and no, shouldnt have eto
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2016-01-11T18:51:36 < upgrdman_> figured it out. i trolled myself. setup the pll and everything... BUT i didnt enable the xtal oscillator.
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2016-01-11T18:52:45 < upgrdman_> weird thing was i checked for, and waiting on, pll lock
2016-01-11T18:52:55 < upgrdman_> and it locked without the oscillator running
2016-01-11T18:53:45 < dongs> there was some hilarious fail about NXP pll stuff i saw my clonerpal run into last year but i forgot wat it was
2016-01-11T18:54:16 < dongs> but i think it was mostly related to people without a clue copypasting bits of init stuff from everywhere
2016-01-11T18:55:27 < upgrdman_> copypasta'ing from shitoverflow, etc... sounds like so many people i know
2016-01-11T18:55:36 < emeb> https://imgur.com/JOwvswE
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2016-01-11T18:56:59 < upgrdman_> https://imgur.com/JOwvswE
2016-01-11T18:57:04 < dongs> wat
2016-01-11T18:57:04 < upgrdman_> oops
2016-01-11T18:57:08 < Laurenceb_> anyone know a command line program for encapsulating some postscript image files into a bigger image?
2016-01-11T18:57:14 < dongs> > postscript
2016-01-11T18:57:15 < upgrdman_> i meant https://i.imgur.com/7ga6J.gif
2016-01-11T18:57:16 < dongs> get out edufag
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2016-01-11T18:57:27 < zyp> upgrdman_, thing about debuggers and cpu clock, AFAIK is that swd clock is limited by some ratio of the cpu clock
2016-01-11T18:57:27 < dongs> upgrdman_: thats from the comments below
2016-01-11T18:57:42 < zyp> so when the cpu is running faster, you can speed up swd to debug faster
2016-01-11T18:57:44 < dongs> who the fuck even reads imgur comments
2016-01-11T18:57:50 < dongs> zyp, orly
2016-01-11T18:58:02 < zyp> as far as I understand it
2016-01-11T18:58:15 < karlp> had a hard time finding anything concrete on that though :|
2016-01-11T18:58:28 < zyp> I mean, at some point you run into cable impedance limits anyway
2016-01-11T18:58:33 < upgrdman_> dongs, lol. "who the fuck even reads imgur comments" ... appearently dongs, since he caught me
2016-01-11T18:58:34 < karlp> there's some claims that jtag clock must be < hclk/6 and some shits
2016-01-11T18:58:57 < karlp> I couldn't find anything concrete from ARM on swd clock though.
2016-01-11T18:59:02 < upgrdman_> k
2016-01-11T18:59:05 < dongs> upgrdman_: i gotta know my fax before I troll
2016-01-11T18:59:19 < upgrdman_> well im going from 100MHz based in internal RC, to 96MHz based on external xtal
2016-01-11T18:59:28 < dongs> yeah that wouldnt matter at all
2016-01-11T18:59:41 < Ecco_> Guys, is it reasonable to do USB without an external xtal?
2016-01-11T18:59:41 < upgrdman_> ya. like an "error" of 4%
2016-01-11T18:59:46 < Ecco_> (hi, btw) :)
2016-01-11T18:59:49 < zyp> Ecco_, depends
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2016-01-11T18:59:51 < dongs> Ecco_: on parts that allow it, yes
2016-01-11T18:59:52 < zyp> usually no
2016-01-11T18:59:57 < karlp> soudns like NXP sucks then upgrdman_  ;)
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2016-01-11T19:00:04 < dongs> <shocking>
2016-01-11T19:00:12 < Ecco> Allright
2016-01-11T19:00:17 < zyp> stm32f0 and stm32l0 has a HSI48 that autocalibrates to get within USB specs
2016-01-11T19:00:28 < zyp> other stm32 chips needs a crystal
2016-01-11T19:00:31 < Ecco> ok
2016-01-11T19:00:36 < Ecco> What happens if I don't put one?
2016-01-11T19:00:41 < emeb> cheapo F042 does it. works fine.
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2016-01-11T19:00:53 < Ecco> I'm looking at F401s lately
2016-01-11T19:00:58 < zyp> Ecco, it works until it doesn't
2016-01-11T19:00:58 < emeb> nope
2016-01-11T19:01:01 < upgrdman_> karlp, it does, but in this case it was me trolling myself. forgot to enable the oscillator. but for some fucked reason the PLL reported a lock even without the osc running. wtf.
2016-01-11T19:01:19 < Ecco> I see
2016-01-11T19:01:47 < zyp> Ecco, temperature changes and shit will cause oscillator drift, which may result in communication errors
2016-01-11T19:02:01 < zyp> you'll likely find it works fine on your bench
2016-01-11T19:02:10 < Ecco> I see
2016-01-11T19:02:37 < Ecco> and for some reason it might stop working on rainy days
2016-01-11T19:03:14 < zyp> any reason you don't want a crystal?
2016-01-11T19:03:29 < Ecco> price, yet another part to source/take care off
2016-01-11T19:03:38 < dongs> i got an idea
2016-01-11T19:03:41 < Ecco> I mean, nothing beats "just don't put an extra part" :)
2016-01-11T19:03:41 < zyp> only reason I got is when I'm cheaping out, and in that case, f0/l0 is a good choice anyway
2016-01-11T19:03:47 < dongs> breake off stlink debugger from -discovery board
2016-01-11T19:03:56 < dongs> and use its 8MHz clock out signal instead of crystal
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2016-01-11T19:04:21 < Ecco> :-)
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2016-01-11T19:04:33 < dongs> i mean you're only gonna make one thing of whatever youre making right
2016-01-11T19:04:36 < dongs> so...
2016-01-11T19:04:42 < dongs> might as well just ghetto it all to the end.
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2016-01-11T19:05:08 < Ecco> Well, I've had a rough we so I can't tell if you're joking or not
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2016-01-11T19:05:17 < Ecco> but no, I don't plan to make a single thing of what I'm making
2016-01-11T19:05:43 < dongs> 3225 12mhz xtals are cheap as shit.
2016-01-11T19:05:43 < Ecco> Maybe my question was super dumb, sorry. Like I've said before, I'm a software guy, discovering hardware
2016-01-11T19:05:49 < Ecco> ok
2016-01-11T19:06:00 < dongs> use them, done
2016-01-11T19:06:07 < Ecco> ok :)
2016-01-11T19:06:39 < Ecco> I'm talking about this because someone I know told me that in his company there was a dude who spent significant time picking out the right xtal manufacturer
2016-01-11T19:06:51 < dongs> he was probably trolling
2016-01-11T19:06:54 < Ecco> ok :)
2016-01-11T19:06:56 < zyp> haha
2016-01-11T19:07:12 < Ecco> Ok, so xtals aren't more complicated than, say, resistors or caps?
2016-01-11T19:07:15 < dongs> or maybe he was making zano2
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2016-01-11T19:07:19 < Ecco> :-D
2016-01-11T19:07:21 < zyp> Ecco, no
2016-01-11T19:07:25 < dongs> for your purposes, no
2016-01-11T19:07:32 < dongs> there's load capacitance
2016-01-11T19:07:38 < dongs> that you need to match with external caps
2016-01-11T19:07:41 < Ecco> ok
2016-01-11T19:07:51 < Ecco> but that's very often explained in the datasheet, isn't it?
2016-01-11T19:07:56 < dongs> by "need' i mean "may want to if you give a fuck"
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2016-01-11T19:08:11 < dongs> otherwise just stick 12-18pF caps on there and forget it.
2016-01-11T19:08:15 < dongs> for <= 24mhz
2016-01-11T19:08:17 < Ecco> (I remember seeing sample cases shown in datasheets where xtals were surounded by caps)
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2016-01-11T19:08:24 < Ecco> ok
2016-01-11T19:08:39 < Ecco> Thanks guys
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2016-01-11T19:30:38 < qyx> caps, such unimportant things
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2016-01-11T21:39:21 < yan_> er heh
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2016-01-11T22:19:15 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKYXgybFNWZUxRXzQ/view?usp=sharing give me my energy drink now!
2016-01-11T22:19:41 < kakimir> heating can left in car
2016-01-11T22:24:20 < Steffanx> You are already weird enough kakimir. No need to drink that crap.
2016-01-11T22:26:03 < Steffanx> bbut also
2016-01-11T22:26:04 < Steffanx> NFS requires rpcbind, which dynamically assigns ports for RPC services and can cause problems for configuring firewall rules.
2016-01-11T22:26:06 < Steffanx> fuck
2016-01-11T22:26:10 < Steffanx> Tectu: ^^
2016-01-11T22:27:20 < Getty> NFS is really annoying, in many ways
2016-01-11T22:27:31 < Getty> the locking is also a brutal regular problem
2016-01-11T22:27:32 < BrainDamage> NFS is horribly complex
2016-01-11T22:27:46 < BrainDamage> just use smb or sshfs
2016-01-11T22:27:49 < Getty> if it would at least work like other "classic unix solutions"
2016-01-11T22:27:50 < Getty> yeah
2016-01-11T22:28:04 < Getty> smbfs is really good, sounds shitty to say it, but its true, flexible like hell
2016-01-11T22:28:26 < BrainDamage> why shitty, i use it with ssh hpn patch and it's quite performant too
2016-01-11T22:28:45 < Getty> well it sounds shitty to say "lets use that windows protocol to share files between unix systems" ;)
2016-01-11T22:28:51 < Getty> i dont say it is shitty ;)
2016-01-11T22:29:00 < BrainDamage> oh smb, sorry, i misread
2016-01-11T22:29:18 < BrainDamage> i don't have personal preferences for authors
2016-01-11T22:29:42 < BrainDamage> if i did, i wouldn't certainly be using anything that has been touched by stallman for instance ...
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2016-01-11T22:32:41 < Steffanx> and what would that be in this case?
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2016-01-11T22:35:49 < BrainDamage> gcc was started by him
2016-01-11T22:37:31 < PaulFertser> And GDB
2016-01-11T22:39:58 < PaulFertser> The idea of using an efficient IL and having multiple front- and back-ends was really new back then. There were some compilers that were using an IL but in a very cumbersome way preventing any useful implementation.
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2016-01-11T23:17:29 < zyp> dongs, http://bin.jvnv.net/f/h2qcM.JPG http://bin.jvnv.net/f/uT2Ih.JPG
2016-01-11T23:19:40 < zyp> a bit lazy to just run the cable out through a hole there, but I didn't want to sacrifice any of the other outlets to be able to fit an LC outlet
2016-01-11T23:20:14 < kakimir> what do you think about 1min reflow times?
2016-01-11T23:20:25 < kakimir> it's ready to be thrown away?
2016-01-11T23:20:58 < kakimir> had little trouble sitting it in it's place
2016-01-11T23:21:03 < zyp> just need to clean up the other networking bullshit now
2016-01-11T23:21:15 < zyp> when I get the CRS210
2016-01-11T23:22:04 < lorenzo> ugh mikrotik
2016-01-11T23:26:13 < Fleck> ;p
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2016-01-11T23:44:02 < zyp> lorenzo, well, I do have a Nortel 5632FD, but I don't want that sitting in the middle of my living room
2016-01-11T23:44:47 < lorenzo> ah home network
2016-01-11T23:44:49 < lorenzo> guess it's fine then
2016-01-11T23:47:41 < kakimir> I just did most perfect reflow there can be
2016-01-11T23:48:13 < kakimir> its flat down
2016-01-11T23:48:50 < kakimir> there is just and just excess solder coming out from few pins
2016-01-11T23:49:02 < kakimir> ratio of solder in pad and solder in pins was perferct
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2016-01-11T23:59:26 < zyp> lorenzo, yeah
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2016-01-12T00:01:10 < zyp> in my old apartment, I had power included in rent and a rather soundproof crawlspace-ish room to put shit in, so I ran this: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/nmouc.JPG
2016-01-12T00:01:27 < zyp> because a 56-port switch cluster is just what a home network needs
2016-01-12T00:01:39 < lorenzo> ah I see :)
2016-01-12T00:01:40 < Laurenceb_>  I think some people out there are very excited by their conception of ‘Islamic’ violence against women. It allows them to enjoy the spectacle of women being brutalised and savaged whilst convincing themselves that it’s only foreign, savage men who do these things. If hearing that makes you angry, if it makes you want to smash my bitch face in and tell me I’m a whore who deserves to be raped to death by ISIS, t
2016-01-12T00:01:40 < Laurenceb_> hen congratulations, you’ve just proved my point.
2016-01-12T00:01:50 < lorenzo> zyp: I just use what my provider gives me
2016-01-12T00:01:54 < lorenzo> but I guess that will work fine too
2016-01-12T00:02:07 < Laurenceb_> get out of that one n00bs
2016-01-12T00:02:10 < zyp> in my new apartment, the most suitable room for my home server is in the middle of the apartment, and I've got metered power
2016-01-12T00:02:45 < zyp> so I'm buying the CRS210 to get something more silent and power efficient that still supports 10G
2016-01-12T00:03:43 < lorenzo> I think that does L2 only @ 10g though
2016-01-12T00:04:18 < zyp> sure
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2016-01-12T00:04:46 < zyp> that's all I used the nortel for anyway
2016-01-12T00:04:55 < lorenzo> few colleagues at work are using a bunch of ccr for bgp
2016-01-12T00:05:08 < lorenzo> and it kind of works, when it doesn't crash and you have no idea why
2016-01-12T00:05:32 < zyp> I considered routing between two segments on nortel to separate MTU 9000 segment from other segment
2016-01-12T00:06:28 < zyp> but then it didn't support ipv6 routing without a special license, and I don't bother dicking around with fancy network setups if it can't even do ipv6
2016-01-12T00:08:43 < lorenzo> why are you running 10g at home?
2016-01-12T00:09:17 < zyp> obviously because 1g is too slow
2016-01-12T00:09:45 < lorenzo> but is it for movies and such?
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2016-01-12T00:10:12 < zyp> generic storage really
2016-01-12T00:10:20 < zyp> there's a raid of 16x3TB drives in the server, it does like 800MB/s locally
2016-01-12T00:10:38 < lorenzo> ah
2016-01-12T00:10:52 < lorenzo> that's vm storage?
2016-01-12T00:11:07 < zyp> and certain tasks I do on my workstation can consume data at a couple hundred MB/s if storage is fast enough
2016-01-12T00:11:18 < zyp> nah
2016-01-12T00:11:27 < zyp> well, that too, but I don't really run a lot of vms
2016-01-12T00:11:35 < fenugrec> uncompressed 4k pr0n running on 3 screens
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2016-01-12T00:12:10 < zyp> fenugrec, sadly, as of yet I don't have neither 4k porn nor 4k monitors
2016-01-12T00:12:22 < fenugrec> hahaha
2016-01-12T00:12:39 < lorenzo> I know some of these words :o
2016-01-12T00:12:50 < Rob235> designing pcbs is boring as hell, can someone do it for me?
2016-01-12T00:13:00 < zyp> how much do you pay?
2016-01-12T00:13:04 < fenugrec> for $ / coin
2016-01-12T00:13:06 < Rob235> $3
2016-01-12T00:13:12 < lorenzo> pretty sure you can pay a chinese guy $3/hour for that
2016-01-12T00:13:26 < Rob235> it should only take an hour, I just have to learn how to do it first
2016-01-12T00:14:05 < ReadError> what tool are you using?
2016-01-12T00:14:31 < zyp> I think designing pcbs is fun, it's all the related mundane tasks that's boring
2016-01-12T00:14:40 < zyp> component selection might be what I dislike the most
2016-01-12T00:14:50 < ReadError> i hate making new parts ;(
2016-01-12T00:15:05 < ReadError> not that its hard
2016-01-12T00:15:07 < Rob235> diptrace
2016-01-12T00:15:08 < ReadError> its just boring
2016-01-12T00:15:09 < zyp> that can be mundane too
2016-01-12T00:15:22 < Rob235> yea its the making parts thats annoying
2016-01-12T00:15:27 < ReadError> Rob235 well start w/ the footprint and compnent stuff
2016-01-12T00:15:31 < ReadError> for all the parts you need
2016-01-12T00:15:35 < zyp> but I prefer making my own symbols over using shitty symbols
2016-01-12T00:15:38 < ReadError> then the rest is pretty smooth
2016-01-12T00:15:40 < zyp> and footprints are often reusable
2016-01-12T00:15:59 < zyp> making a footprint is easy as long as you've decided on a part
2016-01-12T00:16:29 < Rob235> theres only 3 parts I have to do and 1 is done
2016-01-12T00:16:35 < Rob235> its a very basic board
2016-01-12T00:17:23 < Rob235> just a shield that holds 3 small breakouts and has connectors on one end to plug stuff into
2016-01-12T00:17:43 < ReadError> ya finish up those other 2 parts
2016-01-12T00:17:47 < ReadError> then the schematic is easy
2016-01-12T00:17:54 < ReadError> rest is pretty easy too
2016-01-12T00:17:57 < Rob235> making it pretty is tough
2016-01-12T00:18:21 < Rob235> i tried drawing routes and it came out ugly
2016-01-12T00:18:41 < ReadError> well its easier when you have all the parts ;)
2016-01-12T00:18:51 < ReadError> put caps/resistors around the U* stuff them belong
2016-01-12T00:19:01 < ReadError> in little groups
2016-01-12T00:19:11 < ReadError> then draw a bunch of lines and drop vias
2016-01-12T00:19:33 < Rob235> I don't think I need any resistors/caps. the breakout boards should have all thats needed
2016-01-12T00:19:43 < ReadError> i started putting more effort into the placement
2016-01-12T00:19:52 < ReadError> and its made routing so much easier
2016-01-12T00:19:59 < Rob235> what are vias? :) I've seen it all over but haven't looked it up yet
2016-01-12T00:20:12 < zyp> connections between layers
2016-01-12T00:20:16 < Rob235> ahh
2016-01-12T00:20:22 < Rob235> makes sense
2016-01-12T00:20:35 < zyp> i.e. plated holes that's there just for the connection, not to put a pin through
2016-01-12T00:21:03 < Rob235> I had another question and I forgot it...
2016-01-12T00:21:34 < Rob235> oh right
2016-01-12T00:23:26 < Rob235> one of the breakouts is a bmp280 pressure sensor.  I want to have it somewhat enclosed so that wind doesn't make it useless, so I was thinking of having the shield plug into the f4 discovery and have the chips inside the hollow rectangle that's created by the two boards connected to eachother
2016-01-12T00:23:47 < Rob235> what do you think?
2016-01-12T00:23:59 < Rob235> is that placement ok?
2016-01-12T00:24:17 < Rob235> the two boards are just going to be on the very top of the hexacopter
2016-01-12T00:24:24 < Rob235> havent really figured out how I'm going to mount it yet
2016-01-12T00:26:14 < ReadError> Rob235 why BoB?
2016-01-12T00:26:27 < Rob235> break out board?
2016-01-12T00:26:30 < ReadError> yea
2016-01-12T00:26:38 < ReadError> why not just solder the baro on the board
2016-01-12T00:26:40 < Rob235> because I don't know what I'm doing yet.
2016-01-12T00:26:52 < Rob235> I like having it done correctly for me :)
2016-01-12T00:27:40 < Rob235> I'm probably going to eventually convert this over to a teensy or something a lot smaller than this f4 discovery, I'll probably learn about that stuff then
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2016-01-12T00:44:07 < kakimir> ld1117 and ams1117... is there difference else than other is chinaman?
2016-01-12T00:44:12 < kakimir> *chinamen
2016-01-12T00:44:46 < kakimir> I don't have a sole 3v3 ld1117
2016-01-12T00:44:59 < kakimir> *single
2016-01-12T00:46:25 < kakimir> but I have crappy chinese breadboard power that can kill your devices with faulty voltages
2016-01-12T00:46:37 < kakimir> it has some ams there
2016-01-12T01:00:55 < upgrdman_> cool, another intel floating point bug... http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/01/11/2049209/intel-skylake-bug-causes-pcs-to-freeze-during-complex-workloads
2016-01-12T01:03:36 < Rob235> in diptrace how do you add lines of pads at a set spacing?
2016-01-12T01:03:41 < upgrdman_> see page 9... lol. so many "no fix"   http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/specification-updates/4th-gen-core-family-desktop-specification-update.pdf
2016-01-12T01:03:49 < Rob235> in pattern editor
2016-01-12T01:04:00 < Rob235> if I put 10 rows of 19 pads nothing shows up
2016-01-12T01:04:12 < kakimir> thats why my laptop crashes
2016-01-12T01:04:14 < Rob235> lower numbers do though
2016-01-12T01:04:39 < kakimir> how they can like.. fix that
2016-01-12T01:05:19 < kakimir> there needs to be some instruction fence that can catch practically anything
2016-01-12T01:05:34 < kakimir> then inject workaround or so
2016-01-12T01:06:03 < fenugrec> microcode
2016-01-12T01:06:20 < kakimir> what is it actually
2016-01-12T01:06:56 < kakimir> does it execute somewhere in the chip
2016-01-12T01:07:24 < kakimir> does it excecute in same space than OS
2016-01-12T01:07:29 < Rob235> oh im dumb
2016-01-12T01:07:50 < fenugrec> probably the most proprietary type of "code" on earth. I have no clue how it's implemented exactly... probably a combination of FPGA-type reconfiguration and some black magic
2016-01-12T01:07:50 < Rob235> pads is the total number of pads, not pads per line
2016-01-12T01:08:40 < kakimir> fenugrec: how it is even loaded?
2016-01-12T01:09:06 < fenugrec> kakimir bios or shortly after; linux does it through its kernel
2016-01-12T01:09:23 < kakimir> but what exactly happens?
2016-01-12T01:10:29 < fenugrec> no idea. It's an opaque blob that you pass on to the CPU, and it "does its thing" with it
2016-01-12T01:10:50 < kakimir> do you run it or just place it somewhere visible to cpu?
2016-01-12T01:11:08 < fenugrec> https://www.dcddcc.com/pubs/paper_microcode.pdf
2016-01-12T01:11:50 < kakimir> DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN
2016-01-12T01:12:14 < fenugrec> http://www.agner.org/optimize/microarchitecture.pdf
2016-01-12T01:12:35 < kakimir> quality of mobile internet has gone down
2016-01-12T01:13:03 < celeron55> i think the OS uploads it to the cpu at every boot
2016-01-12T01:13:27 < celeron55> it the case it detects that the cpu needs a microcode update
2016-01-12T01:13:34 < fenugrec> you probably just jump into the microcode blob, and it executes a bunch of undocumented instructions and work from that
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2016-01-12T01:18:39 < ReadError> Rob235 I just se the grid to the spacing
2016-01-12T01:18:54 < ReadError> then click them out
2016-01-12T01:19:42 < gordonjcp> fenugrec: I'm always kind of fascinated by microcode
2016-01-12T01:20:15 < gordonjcp> fenugrec: the idea that the "machine code" you run on your processor, is already really just a programming language written in the "real" machine code
2016-01-12T01:20:28 < fenugrec> gordonjcp me too, a bit - but I really believe it's pretty much Intel/AMD's absolute best-guarded secrets
2016-01-12T01:20:38 < gordonjcp> fenugrec: undoubtedly
2016-01-12T01:20:53 < fenugrec> well that depends, I'm pretty sure some of that "microcode" is just configurations of how the opcodes get pipelined, etc
2016-01-12T01:20:59 < Rob235> ReadError: duh thanks :)
2016-01-12T01:21:17 < gordonjcp> fenugrec: I read a while back that the Motorola 68000 was modified by IBM to be a single-chip version of one of their mainframe CPUs
2016-01-12T01:21:36 < gordonjcp> since the underlying architecture was "close enough" it was just a case of making the opcodes do the same thing
2016-01-12T01:21:49 < fenugrec> interesting; "why not"
2016-01-12T01:21:55 < Rob235> I created 10 rows of 19 and deleted all but 60 (the actual ones) and then had to renumber them all :P
2016-01-12T01:21:59 < gordonjcp> and really that's just down to making the ROM inside the CPU have the right microcode
2016-01-12T01:22:05 < Laurenceb_> aiui on modern x86 the microcode is pretty complex
2016-01-12T01:22:17 < Laurenceb_> such that the underlying processor is basically risc
2016-01-12T01:22:38 < gordonjcp> Laurenceb_: well yeah, it's the limiting case of "inner platform effect" :-D
2016-01-12T01:22:47 < gordonjcp> it's RISC with a stupidly large instruction word
2016-01-12T01:23:07 < Laurenceb_> http://steornnews.com/steorn-ophone-orbo-ophone-ocube-update/ lolling
2016-01-12T01:23:36 < fenugrec> "basically risc", but you can't really cheat - if you get a 1 instruction / cycle throughput, it's not your everyday type of RISC running under that. I'm thinking of some x86 addressing modes which look like "everything and the kitchen sink"
2016-01-12T01:23:55 < gordonjcp> Andy Tanenbaum's Structured Computer Organisation is worth a read if you're into it
2016-01-12T01:24:28 < fenugrec> life's too short, I'll leave that to others and be content with a mild state of awe p-)
2016-01-12T01:24:41 < gordonjcp> fenugrec: the big thing is that a lot of CPUs - like the 68000, and the PDP11 family - have greatly simplified microcode *because* they have "everything and the kitchen sink" address modes
2016-01-12T01:25:23 < fenugrec> yeah, I suppose if you have tons of possible combinations pre-wired in the hardware
2016-01-12T01:25:27 < gordonjcp> like the PDP11 has eight general purpose registers which are frequently memory-mapped
2016-01-12T01:25:53 < gordonjcp> you're kind of stuck with register 7 being the program counter and register 6 being the stack pointer
2016-01-12T01:26:00 < gordonjcp> but you could use any register as a stack pointer
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2016-01-12T01:26:29 < gordonjcp> you've got eight addressing modes including autoincrement and autodecrement
2016-01-12T01:27:24 < fenugrec> funny how PDP11 is still an example for an awful lot of concepts - a bit as if it was created mainly for show p-)
2016-01-12T01:27:42 < gordonjcp> fenugrec: well, have you ever worked on a car engine?
2016-01-12T01:28:11 < gordonjcp> fenugrec: if you were going to teach someone how car engines worked would you open the bonnet of a Mini or a Fiat TwinAir?
2016-01-12T01:29:54 < gordonjcp> I wonder if anyone's written custom microcode for "updateable" CPUs?
2016-01-12T01:30:00 < fenugrec> I know what you're getting at, there's nothing wrong with refering to PDP11's - but I've never so much as seen one of those, so ...
2016-01-12T01:30:12 < gordonjcp> fenugrec: I used to have a couple
2016-01-12T01:30:21 < gordonjcp> when I moved house I donated my big one to a museam
2016-01-12T01:30:25 < gordonjcp> *museum
2016-01-12T01:30:32 < gordonjcp> they sometimes run it, good to see it ging
2016-01-12T01:30:33 < gordonjcp> *going
2016-01-12T01:30:39  * gordonjcp shakes crumbs out of keyboard
2016-01-12T01:30:42 < fenugrec> heh
2016-01-12T01:30:57 < gordonjcp> must dig out some old photos
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2016-01-12T01:31:35 < gordonjcp> it's an 11/73 with 1MB of RAM, two RL02 disk packs (10MB, packs about the size of a dustbin lid) and two 40MB MFM hard drives
2016-01-12T01:32:18  * upgrdman_ remembers reading about MFM and RLL drives back in the day. but forgot what they mean.
2016-01-12T01:32:21 < gordonjcp> I've got bits of an 11/23 here but no mass storage
2016-01-12T01:32:28 < gordonjcp> MFM = Modified FM
2016-01-12T01:32:38 < upgrdman_> fm = freq mod?
2016-01-12T01:32:40 < gordonjcp> yup
2016-01-12T01:32:44 < gordonjcp> similar to how floppies works
2016-01-12T01:32:53 < gordonjcp> I'm typing like shit, I need to get to bed
2016-01-12T01:32:57  * fenugrec remembers being quite happy to finally not need to remember the difference between RLL and MFM 
2016-01-12T01:33:02 < gordonjcp> fenugrec: yes!
2016-01-12T01:33:13 < gordonjcp> upgrdman_: so right you know how serial works?
2016-01-12T01:33:23 < upgrdman_> serial as in rs232?
2016-01-12T01:33:29 < gordonjcp> yes
2016-01-12T01:33:31 < upgrdman_> yes
2016-01-12T01:34:03 < gordonjcp> wait until you see the input go low signalling START, wait half a bit time and sample the input for eight bits, and then expect to see it go high after the last one
2016-01-12T01:34:20 < gordonjcp> what would sending 0xff look like?
2016-01-12T01:34:34 < gordonjcp> a 0, eight 1s for all the bits that are set, and then 1 to signal STOP
2016-01-12T01:34:40 < fenugrec> a massively asymetric magnetization pattern
2016-01-12T01:34:44 < gordonjcp> bingo
2016-01-12T01:34:53 < upgrdman_> http://farrellf.com/temp/scancodeViaRs232.png
2016-01-12T01:34:53 < gordonjcp> imagine if your signal path couldn't really cope with DC
2016-01-12T01:35:23 < upgrdman_> k
2016-01-12T01:35:28 < gordonjcp> you'd see it go low, you'd see it go high, then it would go low again
2016-01-12T01:35:49 < gordonjcp> imagine you were using FM radio for transmitting that
2016-01-12T01:35:56 < gordonjcp> low is 100MHz, high is 101MHz
2016-01-12T01:36:19 < upgrdman_> k
2016-01-12T01:36:23 < gordonjcp> how could you tell that you're hearing a high at 101MHz, and not a low that's wandered off tune because the sun is shining on the transmitteR?
2016-01-12T01:36:34 < upgrdman_> fuck if i know :)
2016-01-12T01:36:37 < gordonjcp> well
2016-01-12T01:36:40 < gordonjcp> what if you use this
2016-01-12T01:36:48 < gordonjcp> if it's low then goes high, that means the bit was low
2016-01-12T01:36:55 < gordonjcp> if it's high then goes low, that means the bit was high
2016-01-12T01:37:18 < gordonjcp> every bit is actually sent as not a high or low state, but a flip from high to low
2016-01-12T01:37:27 < upgrdman_> k
2016-01-12T01:37:41 < fenugrec> A form of "return-to-zero" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return-to-zero
2016-01-12T01:37:44 < gordonjcp> that's called Manchester Coding, and crops up in a lot of stuff but it's inefficient
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2016-01-12T01:38:29 < gordonjcp> upgrdman_: you could also do something where you stuff clock bits in between
2016-01-12T01:38:49 < gordonjcp> but only if the state has changed
2016-01-12T01:39:18 < gordonjcp> so you end up with something like you send 00 if both bits were zero, 01 if they're still both zero but you haven't had a one for a while and so on
2016-01-12T01:39:40 < gordonjcp> that way you never have a run of all zero or all one
2016-01-12T01:40:51 < gordonjcp> you end up with particular symbols that mean a block of bits that you can then expand, and tell if the pattern is valid or not
2016-01-12T01:41:01 < gordonjcp> the clever bit is that floppy controllers also used "invalid" data
2016-01-12T01:41:26 < gordonjcp> if you deliberately wrote a number wrongly you could use that as a "magic" symbol to say "this is the start of a track" or "this is the start of a sector"
2016-01-12T01:41:48 < gordonjcp> it can't be real data because it's not a "real" symbol
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2016-01-12T01:44:01 < gordonjcp> so for a particular track you'd have a string of "sync marks" where is 0x0a "written wrong" with a missing clock pulse, so that the floppy controller chip could "tune in" to the frequency
2016-01-12T01:44:21 < gordonjcp> then a burst of different sync marks that say "there's a good bit coming up"
2016-01-12T01:45:10 < gordonjcp> then an index mark to tell it that the track is starting, and some address marks to tell it which track and sector, then more sync bytes, a sector address and then the data and then a bunch of zeros
2016-01-12T01:45:19 < gordonjcp> with the sync, sector mark and data repeating
2016-01-12T01:45:23 < gordonjcp> clever stuff
2016-01-12T01:45:32 < gordonjcp> bet you're glad we invented SD cards now, eh?
2016-01-12T01:46:30 < gordonjcp> trying to read old floppy disks that someone has had lying around for years is just hilarious
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2016-01-12T02:13:55 < kakimir> fuu fuu
2016-01-12T02:15:24 < dongs> zyp: cool
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2016-01-12T02:25:21 < kakimir> I need heat resistant sleeves to all work table cables
2016-01-12T02:25:25 < kakimir> it's ridiculous
2016-01-12T02:25:40 < kakimir> to not have such as default
2016-01-12T02:25:40 < zyp> wat
2016-01-12T02:26:07 < kakimir> solderin iron touches some cable, even it's own cable
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2016-01-12T02:26:35 < kakimir> hapens all the time
2016-01-12T02:26:45 < zyp> how about you just fucking learn to not wave your soldering iron at shit that should not be melted?
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2016-01-12T02:31:57 < kakimir> I forgot I have holder
2016-01-12T02:32:00 < kakimir> whoops
2016-01-12T02:34:22 < kakimir> how to read chinese resistors
2016-01-12T02:34:23 < kakimir> ?
2016-01-12T02:34:34 < kakimir> 01B should be 1K with some logic
2016-01-12T02:34:42 < kakimir> are these like.. misprinted ones
2016-01-12T02:35:56 < kakimir> EIA-96
2016-01-12T02:36:06 < kakimir> okay
2016-01-12T02:36:10 < kakimir> means quality
2016-01-12T02:36:15 < kakimir> chinamen rule
2016-01-12T02:39:40 < kakimir> i think I paid 4dollars of this 11cm minigrip
2016-01-12T02:39:50 < kakimir> stuffed full of these 1% resistors
2016-01-12T02:40:15 < kakimir> that are usually way more accurate than that
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2016-01-12T02:41:03 < kakimir> those resistors on reel would possibly cost more
2016-01-12T02:46:47 < dongs> fucking toner
2016-01-12T02:46:49 < dongs> er, stoner, too
2016-01-12T02:47:15 < upgrdman> what minigrip
2016-01-12T02:47:17 < upgrdman> link
2016-01-12T02:52:45 < kakimir> ebay "0603 resistor assortment"
2016-01-12T02:53:06 < dongs> its called sample books you dong
2016-01-12T02:53:15 < dongs> unless you literally got a plastic bag with loose resistors in tehm
2016-01-12T02:53:20 < dongs> in which case sorry to hear that
2016-01-12T02:54:06 < upgrdman> oh that shit
2016-01-12T02:54:08 < kakimir> you fool
2016-01-12T02:54:12 < upgrdman> ya. little binder FTW
2016-01-12T02:54:12 < kakimir> I dont use such books
2016-01-12T02:54:17 < kakimir> I use shitty bags
2016-01-12T02:55:00 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKTWphNWNQWnFnbEk/view?usp=sharing
2016-01-12T02:55:14 < kakimir> there only part left of shitty solering station
2016-01-12T02:55:36 < kakimir> best part maybe
2016-01-12T02:56:16 < upgrdman> you faggot. you hacked your rigol, then printed a shit label for it.
2016-01-12T02:56:30 < kakimir> no
2016-01-12T02:56:34 < kakimir> label is not shitty
2016-01-12T02:56:37 < kakimir> quality it is
2016-01-12T02:57:11 < kakimir> aligned also perfectly with hours of preparation
2016-01-12T02:57:56 < dongs> lul
2016-01-12T02:59:04 < upgrdman> also that pink lamp. does it match the color of your clitorus.
2016-01-12T02:59:26 < __rob> lol,
2016-01-12T02:59:30 < __rob> printed label on that rigol
2016-01-12T02:59:58 < __rob> just incase you forget ?
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2016-01-12T03:02:15 < __rob> label or not, its still a 1072A with hacked upgrade and ripped off decoders
2016-01-12T03:02:35 < upgrdman> jap abraham lincoln   http://i.imgur.com/o5A2VDb.jpg
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2016-01-12T03:03:56 < dongs> heh its some stage shit
2016-01-12T03:04:01 < dongs> musical or somethin
2016-01-12T03:04:14 < dongs> watcha complaining about
2016-01-12T03:05:08 < zyp> drama shitty
2016-01-12T03:05:14 < dongs> lols
2016-01-12T03:05:16 < dongs> right
2016-01-12T03:17:18 < upgrdman> oh hai
2016-01-12T03:28:05 < upgrdman> R2COM, if you haven't heard   http://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2016/01/intel-skylake-bug-causes-pcs-to-freeze-during-complex-workloads/
2016-01-12T03:34:23 < dongs> yas I calculate primes all the fucking time
2016-01-12T03:34:45 < dongs> how the fuck do you use FFT to multiple numbers
2016-01-12T03:34:54 < dongs> or is that just more bullshit reporting from asstechnica
2016-01-12T03:35:23 < dongs> i guess its a thing
2016-01-12T03:35:23 < dongs> k
2016-01-12T03:36:17 < Simon--> fft to multiple numbers?
2016-01-12T03:36:22 < dongs> multiply
2016-01-12T03:36:29 < Simon--> ahh
2016-01-12T03:37:17 < Sync> well, good thing they have efuses
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2016-01-12T03:48:29 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKQzh4dTFHTkdCZFE/view?usp=sharing yo bubba
2016-01-12T03:48:48 < kakimir> add some RC filter and go
2016-01-12T03:49:17 < kakimir> oh shiet those pin strips are all over the place
2016-01-12T03:49:36 < kakimir> floating
2016-01-12T03:50:20 < kakimir> that also must be the best photo my potato has ever produced
2016-01-12T03:53:04 < kakimir> just throw them there
2016-01-12T03:53:07 < kakimir> and take url
2016-01-12T03:53:12 < kakimir> spam
2016-01-12T03:53:47 < kakimir> yes
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2016-01-12T03:54:48 < kakimir> "give me a link" and something slow javascript things happen and then it has link that is already on your clipboard
2016-01-12T03:55:31 < dongs> is that R2PRO desk
2016-01-12T03:55:42 < kakimir> SMAs
2016-01-12T03:55:48 < kakimir> like pro
2016-01-12T03:56:01 < kakimir> you can share folder R2COM
2016-01-12T03:56:07 < kakimir> go one level back
2016-01-12T03:56:16 < kakimir> click folder and press share
2016-01-12T03:57:04 < kakimir> very ugly xilinx board
2016-01-12T03:57:08 < kakimir> very very
2016-01-12T03:57:27 < dongs> its one of those that fits intpo PCIe slot
2016-01-12T03:57:35 < dongs> looks like it has a SFP port on it too
2016-01-12T03:57:37 < upgrdman> old as fuck but still funny  https://youtu.be/VBXKoZQwvDE?t=15
2016-01-12T03:57:42 < dongs> so you can gigabutt ethernet
2016-01-12T03:58:19 < kakimir> I wonder how your links have open
2016-01-12T03:58:39 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZGI5dk00d1RGNzQ/view?usp=sharing
2016-01-12T03:59:30 < kakimir> what is the overall goal?
2016-01-12T04:01:09 < upgrdman> spur killing technique == dithering?
2016-01-12T04:01:39 < kakimir> what is srup spur
2016-01-12T04:02:42 < upgrdman> which one
2016-01-12T04:02:51 < upgrdman> link
2016-01-12T04:03:04 < upgrdman> which one
2016-01-12T04:03:30 < upgrdman> link
2016-01-12T04:03:35 < dongs> i didnt see any spacex logos
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2016-01-12T04:04:22 < upgrdman> heh. sweet. i have the same scope at work as R2COM but mine has log anal built in
2016-01-12T04:05:17 < upgrdman> very nice
2016-01-12T04:05:48 < emeb_mac> R2COM: PLL?
2016-01-12T04:07:01 < emeb_mac> nice
2016-01-12T04:07:40 < upgrdman> heh. you put your username on your pcbs?
2016-01-12T04:08:33 < dongs> upgrdman: no he photoshops spacex logo off and replaces with r2com
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2016-01-12T04:08:58 < emeb_mac> pretty fast.
2016-01-12T04:09:06 < emeb_mac> what will you do with it?
2016-01-12T04:09:06 < upgrdman> R2COM, you really work for spacex?
2016-01-12T04:09:13 < dongs> he wont admit it
2016-01-12T04:11:04 < upgrdman> lol  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqxZldc-dSk&feature=youtu.be&t=3m13s
2016-01-12T04:11:33 < dongs> its the upgrdman fail hour, trying to destabilize actual on-topic stm32 discussion
2016-01-12T04:11:51 < emeb_mac> R2COM: so you've got 500MHz DDR data from an S6?
2016-01-12T04:13:39 < emeb_mac> ya
2016-01-12T04:13:49 < emeb_mac> didn't realize S6 could run that fast
2016-01-12T04:15:10 < emeb_mac> cool
2016-01-12T04:15:38 < emeb_mac> fastest I ever went was 250MHz on a V5.
2016-01-12T04:16:26 < emeb_mac> small part
2016-01-12T04:16:49 < emeb_mac> oh - 45 - not so small
2016-01-12T04:16:59 < emeb_mac> (I read 4 at first)
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2016-01-12T04:26:10 < upgrdman> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lplcqaqVzF1qf8mc7o1_500.png
2016-01-12T04:26:43 < dongs> what the fuck is power.com?
2016-01-12T04:26:49 < dongs> are they actually legit or some kinda clickbait spammers
2016-01-12T04:27:19 < dongs> https://ac-dc.power.com/products/chiphy-family/chy103/?language=en
2016-01-12T04:27:32 < dongs> who makes a quickcharge IC in a fucking SO-8
2016-01-12T04:27:42 < dongs> i mean thats half the size of a typical mobile phone right there
2016-01-12T04:27:45 < dongs> what is their fucking target market?!
2016-01-12T04:28:35 < dongs> no idea
2016-01-12T04:28:41 < dongs> they keep emailing me this random shit
2016-01-12T04:30:27 < kakimir> anyone have ideas how to control old tig welding machine?
2016-01-12T04:30:41 < Getty> tig welding?
2016-01-12T04:30:43 < kakimir> anyone played too much with one?
2016-01-12T04:31:05 < kakimir> thyristor driven one
2016-01-12T04:31:13 < kakimir> should be easyer
2016-01-12T04:32:07 < dongs> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/power-integrations-awarded-139-8-010200850.html
2016-01-12T04:32:08 < dongs> lul
2016-01-12T04:32:11 < dongs> they're patent trolls
2016-01-12T04:33:05 < dongs> theyt might do "product" just to look like they're doing something, and get money by trolling patents :)
2016-01-12T04:33:21 < dongs> Power Integrations, Inc. is a leading innovator in semiconductor technologies for high-voltage power-conversion. The company’s products are key building blocks in the clean-power ecosystem, enabling the generation of renewable energy as well as the efficient transmission and consumption of power in applications ranging from milliwatts to megawatts.
2016-01-12T04:34:06 < kakimir> hah
2016-01-12T04:34:20 < kakimir> that is what you need lawschools for
2016-01-12T04:34:40 < kakimir> to steal properly big amount of money
2016-01-12T04:34:44 < dongs> haha
2016-01-12T04:36:14 < dongs> whatever it is,  its pretty scammy
2016-01-12T04:36:18 < dongs> 138mil is not a bad payout tho
2016-01-12T04:36:44 < dongs> http://seekingalpha.com/article/3616796-power-integrations-powi-balu-balakrishnan-on-q3-2015-results-earnings-call-transcript
2016-01-12T04:37:30 < dongs> san jose
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2016-01-12T04:38:51 < dongs> hol shit
2016-01-12T04:38:58 < dongs> power has been suing fairchild since at least 2008
2016-01-12T04:39:01 < dongs> lol
2016-01-12T04:39:05 < dongs> they reallyt dont like them
2016-01-12T04:39:19 < dongs> Law360, New York (October 15, 2008, 12:00 AM ET) -- An intellectual property dispute between semiconductor companies Power Integrations Inc. and Fairchild Semiconductor Corp. continued Tuesday when Fairchild sued Power Integrations for infringement of three patents.
2016-01-12T04:40:41 < dongs> hm wait
2016-01-12T04:40:44 < dongs> their shit is on DIGIKEY
2016-01-12T04:40:48 < dongs> and its priced not awful either
2016-01-12T04:40:51 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=596-1497-5-ND
2016-01-12T04:40:52 < dongs> i.e. this
2016-01-12T04:40:53 < dongs> wut
2016-01-12T04:41:15 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/Suppliers/us/Power-Integrations.page?lang=en
2016-01-12T04:41:34 < dongs> if you click 'instock' search on that page and just enter nothing, they have ~400 products on dk
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2016-01-12T04:42:36 < dongs> Ya
2016-01-12T04:43:04 < dongs> hmm
2016-01-12T04:43:55 < dongs> http://media.digikey.com/Photos/Power%20Integrations%20Photos/LCS702HG.jpg
2016-01-12T04:43:57 < dongs> nice package
2016-01-12T04:45:21 < dongs> i need some of these in my phone
2016-01-12T04:45:48 < dongs> http://uk.reuters.com/article/ca-fairchild-idUKnBw095665a+100+BSW20150609
2016-01-12T04:46:02 < dongs> A jury in the U.S. District Court for the District of Delaware on Friday found that Power Integrations induced customers to infringe Fairchild’s patent rights, and awarded Fairchild $2.4 million in damages. This damages figure reflects an approximately 1.5-cent per unit royalty on LinkSwitch II parts imported into the United States.
2016-01-12T04:46:07 < dongs> HEH
2016-01-12T04:47:27 < dongs> http://boards.fool.com/why-did-powi-settlement-with-mot-12437513.aspx
2016-01-12T04:47:28 < dongs> hmm
2016-01-12T04:47:31 < dongs> MOT = motorola?
2016-01-12T04:57:22 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-skarp-laser-razor-21st-century-shaving#/updates
2016-01-12T04:57:25 < dongs> haha
2016-01-12T04:57:31 < dongs> they went to CES to spend 100k
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2016-01-12T05:02:16 < dongs> to go to ces
2016-01-12T05:02:20 < dongs> yes
2016-01-12T05:02:23 < dongs> thats wat i me ant
2016-01-12T05:05:11 < dongs> scam
2016-01-12T05:06:03 < dongs> no rly
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2016-01-12T05:09:02 < dongs> lol, R2COM they're not sure how to power it either
2016-01-12T05:09:11 < dongs> marketing plan is to use AAA battery in teh handle
2016-01-12T05:09:12 < dongs> 1.5V
2016-01-12T05:09:39 < dongs> 750mAh
2016-01-12T05:10:20 < dongs> lol
2016-01-12T05:10:30 < dongs> they've minituarized a nuclear reactor
2016-01-12T05:10:31 < dongs> into the handle
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2016-01-12T05:33:00 < ds2> @$#@@#$@#$@#$ oshpark design rules
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2016-01-12T05:45:27 < dongs> nobody pro uses oshfuckup
2016-01-12T05:45:47 < upgrdman> ya, all the pros use dirtypcbs
2016-01-12T05:47:12 < upgrdman> i dont "remember" links plz
2016-01-12T05:53:46 < PeterM> how the fuc kdoes that shit get past basic visual QC
2016-01-12T05:56:37 < dongs> yea those drills are fucking awesome
2016-01-12T05:56:38 < dongs> lulz
2016-01-12T05:56:45 < dongs> drunk chinagirl drilling
2016-01-12T05:57:39 < PeterM> jesus fuck
2016-01-12T05:57:44 < PeterM> those drills
2016-01-12T05:58:46 < PeterM> also is dat some C0G goodness is ee?
2016-01-12T05:59:45 < upgrdman> how can you tell c0g? white caps?
2016-01-12T06:00:02 < upgrdman> i think i have some blue or green MLCCs. no idea what spec's tho other than capacitance.
2016-01-12T06:01:16 < PeterM> yeah, dielectric colour, NP0 and C0G are either a whitey colour or a grey colour
2016-01-12T06:01:53 < PeterM> i dont think ive seen any blue or green MLCCs, seen lots of blue epoxy inductors though
2016-01-12T06:02:28 < upgrdman> flyback, neat. if i needed a disposable one i'd get it.
2016-01-12T06:02:50 < upgrdman> but geez 1366x768
2016-01-12T06:02:55 < upgrdman> ya
2016-01-12T06:03:44 < upgrdman> reminds me of an HP Mini netbook i used year ago at college
2016-01-12T06:10:36 < upgrdman> cheap + quality + usa? you must be stoned
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2016-01-12T06:29:28 < upgrdman> found adult kakimir   http://i.imgur.com/Pxy45DG.jpg
2016-01-12T06:40:21 < dongs> looks like a good diea
2016-01-12T06:40:22 < dongs> idea
2016-01-12T06:45:40 < upgrdman> R2COM, does your gaming rig look like this?  http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/25-gpu-cluster-cracks-every-standard-windows-password-in-6-hours/
2016-01-12T06:56:10 < upgrdman> :)
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2016-01-12T07:23:10 < PeterM> usually aim for atleast 7
2016-01-12T07:23:37 < PeterM> but usually between 6.5 and 10 depending on busyness
2016-01-12T07:29:23 < PeterM> yeah mang, in summer i wake up at 5am~ go to bed at 8pm~
2016-01-12T07:29:28 < PeterM> or stleast try to
2016-01-12T07:29:38 < PeterM> hot days take it out of you
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2016-01-12T07:35:59 < PeterM> thanks
2016-01-12T08:08:11 < upgrdman> i wish i could regularly get 10hrs sleep
2016-01-12T08:08:17 < upgrdman> im lucky to get 5 on weekdays
2016-01-12T08:11:27 < upgrdman> why is SINAD not SNAD? the "I" doesn't belong.
2016-01-12T08:13:42 < dongs> SINAD sounds like angry rapper name
2016-01-12T08:13:49 < upgrdman> yes
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2016-01-12T08:22:54 < upgrdman> how is Tectu pronounced? "tech two" ?
2016-01-12T08:23:22 < dongs> it reads like "tectu" but is pronounced "kawaii"
2016-01-12T08:23:29 < upgrdman> indeed
2016-01-12T08:23:46 < jpa-> same way as cthulhu
2016-01-12T08:25:01 < dongs> why doesnt kikepedia have pronounciation key for Cthulhu
2016-01-12T08:25:08 < dongs> cuz i ahve no fucking idea how to pronounce it either
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2016-01-12T08:26:55 < dongs> oh its tehre further down the page
2016-01-12T08:26:58 < dongs> too long didnr ead
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2016-01-12T08:31:32 < ds2> 4 mil? their website for their 2L service is 7mil ring, 6/6, 15 from edge
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2016-01-12T08:41:39 < upgrdman> is it wrong/bad to give SNR in dBFS instead of dBc?
2016-01-12T08:42:50 < jpa-> what is dBc?
2016-01-12T08:42:56 < upgrdman> carrier
2016-01-12T08:43:14 < jpa-> and if you subtract two values in the same dB scale, does it even matter what is the reference point, won't it be just dB?
2016-01-12T08:43:33 < upgrdman> hmm ya that sounds right
2016-01-12T08:43:36 < upgrdman> doh
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2016-01-12T09:07:00 < dongs> sup innovators
2016-01-12T09:07:29 < upgrdman> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/16/0c/23/160c23bd1e2edb9a1888893dc343aef7.jpg
2016-01-12T09:09:05 < dongs> japan
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2016-01-12T09:13:34 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ayam8K73jg
2016-01-12T09:13:39 < upgrdman> impressive
2016-01-12T09:15:02 < dongs> retweeting everywehre
2016-01-12T09:15:52 < dongs> those wacky germans
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2016-01-12T09:16:32 < upgrdman> typical jap   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duBBgcPbzBs&feature=iv&src_vid=-52z_Z0EPA8&annotation_id=annotation_912357827#t=29s
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2016-01-12T09:30:52 < upgrdman> dongs, is this the kinda shit you see in best korea?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElCvidSNfHI
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2016-01-12T09:34:14 < upgrdman> lolwut  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QRMni0L79M
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2016-01-12T09:38:14 < dongs> typical japanese pastime
2016-01-12T09:44:51 < GargantuaSauce_> what the fuck is that video dongs
2016-01-12T09:45:15 < dongs> which one
2016-01-12T09:45:22 < dongs> youre asking me liek i made it
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2016-01-12T09:46:09 < GargantuaSauce_> oh i thought you linked that one, wasnt paying attention
2016-01-12T09:46:13 < GargantuaSauce_> 'exodus from anus'
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2016-01-12T09:48:24 < dongs> upgrdman is linking all the unfunny shit lately
2016-01-12T09:49:37 < GargantuaSauce_> someone has to take up the torch when Laurenceb is in bed
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2016-01-12T11:20:55 < zyp> severe lack of trolling here today
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2016-01-12T11:31:40 < dongs> indeed
2016-01-12T11:31:45 < dongs> i forgot wat i was busy with
2016-01-12T11:31:49 < dongs> probably just assburgering
2016-01-12T11:34:50 < zyp> how much is a usable laser cutter nowadays?
2016-01-12T11:34:58 < qyx> whats the relation between coax cable capacitance and it's impedance?
2016-01-12T11:35:00 < zyp> something usable for cutting acrylic
2016-01-12T11:35:53 < dongs> zyp, pal got some chinaspecial for 400-ish
2016-01-12T11:35:55 < zyp> qyx, isn't capacitance a function of length?
2016-01-12T11:35:56 < dongs> or wahtever
2016-01-12T11:36:24 < qyx> zyp: of course, but which cable has lower capacitance per length unit
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2016-01-12T11:36:30 < qyx> also
2016-01-12T11:36:50 < qyx> i did read something that twisted pair has even lower capacitance, like in order of /100
2016-01-12T11:38:08 < zyp> qyx, judging by the equations on http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/coax.htm capacitance/length looks proportional to impedance
2016-01-12T11:38:45 < zyp> if the other numbers remain constant and only the b/a factor changes
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2016-01-12T11:39:25 < zyp> oh, inversely proportional
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2016-01-12T11:43:32 < dongs> http://drop-kicker.com/2016/01/ampy-move-teardown-and-review/ dropkicker is back and kicking ampy ass again
2016-01-12T11:43:41 < dongs> check out thier newb circuitz
2016-01-12T11:47:48 < qyx> http://powerelectronics.com/site-files/powerelectronics.com/files/archive/powerelectronics.com/power_systems/test_measurement/testdata-fig-table.jpg
2016-01-12T11:48:21 < qyx> apparently coax is meh
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2016-01-12T11:50:48 < lorenzo> do you use the stm32cubething on linux?
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2016-01-12T12:00:43 < qyx> 100pF/m is quite much for capsense electrodes
2016-01-12T12:02:39 < qyx> http://www.wbparts.com/rfq/6145-00-725-9360.html
2016-01-12T12:02:42 < qyx> this one looks good
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2016-01-12T12:25:51 < dongs> hmmmmmmmmmmmmm wow i like this idea
2016-01-12T12:27:10 < dongs> stealing
2016-01-12T12:27:41 < jpa-> stealing is always a good idea
2016-01-12T12:32:42 < zyp> hmm, I wonder what's the easiest/cheapest way to get 3.3V, 12V and -12V from 230V AC
2016-01-12T12:33:32 < Fleck> PC psu? :D
2016-01-12T12:33:37 < dongs> ..
2016-01-12T12:33:46 < dongs> watcha need -12 for
2016-01-12T12:34:03 < zyp> signalling
2016-01-12T12:35:00 < PeterM> zyp how much juice?
2016-01-12T12:35:07 < Fleck> diodes/resistor dividers/zeners?
2016-01-12T12:35:58 < zyp> PeterM, not much, 12/-12 would just drive into pulldown shit
2016-01-12T12:36:08 < zyp> all electronics would run from 3.3V
2016-01-12T12:37:02 < zyp> I'm figuring maybe a module to get from 230V AC to 5V, then LDO to 3.3V and boost to 12/-12
2016-01-12T12:38:51 < zyp> a simple boost converter shouldn't consume much board area, and I guess a polarity-inverting boost converter isn't much harder to do
2016-01-12T12:39:08 < PeterM> i thik easier would be 12v module, switch down to 3v, inverter to -12
2016-01-12T12:40:25 < zyp> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/RAC04-12DC%2F277/945-2097-5-ND/3906304 <- looked at these first, but they are huge and expensive
2016-01-12T12:46:03 < zyp> hmm, maybe I could get away using a charge pump setup, like a max232 or something
2016-01-12T12:49:04 < qyx> what about simple buck with multiple windings?
2016-01-12T12:49:06 < qyx> *windongs
2016-01-12T12:49:24 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/s8Rw24I.gifv
2016-01-12T12:49:30 < Laurenceb_> physics engine is broken
2016-01-12T12:51:09 < qyx> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZOiJmuwwSHM/UN3G21Yl9xI/AAAAAAAACTw/Uwpfql5AvB4/s1600/simple+smps+buck+converter+circuit+using+ic+viper12a.png
2016-01-12T12:51:13 < qyx> like this
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2016-01-12T13:03:20 < zyp> how does regulation on that shit work?
2016-01-12T13:03:40 < PeterM> it onyl regulates the main output
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2016-01-12T13:04:41 < zyp> I need AC input to be isolated, and I need fairly accurate outputs
2016-01-12T13:05:07 < zyp> at a low cost and in a small area
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2016-01-12T13:10:19 < PeterM> 12v module, 2x buck converters, one confidgured as inverting boost, one as buck
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2016-01-12T13:16:21 < PeterM> i dunno the currents you need but a 12v module + 2x sot-23 or sc-70 switchers seems like it could be pretty small
2016-01-12T13:19:19 < zyp> we're talking a few tens of milliamps on 12/-12
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2016-01-12T13:41:01 < AndreeeCZ> hello! I have a newb question: I use stm32f4 discovery, and need to connect 26 tactile switches, what is the most simple design with as few resistors as possible? Is there a way of avoiding a resistor attached to each switch?
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2016-01-12T13:41:55 < zyp> simple in which regard?
2016-01-12T13:42:14 < zyp> simplest approach in terms of parts is to just wire each switch to a pin
2016-01-12T13:42:32 < jpa-> AndreeeCZ: you can put them in matrix, if you don't mind aliasing you don't even need diodes
2016-01-12T13:42:34 < zyp> all pins have configurable built-in pullups, so you need no external resistors
2016-01-12T13:42:50 < jpa-> yeah, or that
2016-01-12T13:43:10 < zyp> and then you have matrix approaches like jpa- suggests, which would save the number of pins
2016-01-12T13:43:28 < jpa-> and remember debouncing
2016-01-12T13:43:43 < zyp> debouncing can be done in software
2016-01-12T13:43:51 < AndreeeCZ> woo, so no resistors, great
2016-01-12T13:44:02 < AndreeeCZ> yes i plan to debounce in sw
2016-01-12T13:44:20 < AndreeeCZ> in what way will the matrix alias?
2016-01-12T13:44:44 < zyp> if multiple switches are pressed at the same time
2016-01-12T13:44:54 < jpa-> you cannot detect more than 2 simultaneous presses accurately
2016-01-12T13:45:12 < zyp> if A1, A2 and B1 is pressed, B2 will also read as pressed
2016-01-12T13:45:41 < AndreeeCZ> no this is a musical keyboard arrangement, so multipress is a necessary
2016-01-12T13:45:58 < zyp> then you either need dedicated pins per switch or a matrix with diodes
2016-01-12T13:46:26 < zyp> 26 switches could be arranged in a 5x6 matrix, so that's 11 vs 26 pins
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2016-01-12T13:46:36 < zyp> 26 vs 0 diodes
2016-01-12T13:46:55 < AndreeeCZ> how many of the gpios are available for this on the stm32f4disco?
2016-01-12T13:47:21 < AndreeeCZ> i couldnt wrap my head aroudn all the alternate functions
2016-01-12T13:47:36 < zyp> I would think that there's enough free gpio
2016-01-12T13:47:59 < AndreeeCZ> even for 6more encoders connected the same way?
2016-01-12T13:48:08 < zyp> hmm?
2016-01-12T13:48:20 < AndreeeCZ> 26buttons + 6 rotary encoders
2016-01-12T13:48:30 < AndreeeCZ> 32gpios
2016-01-12T13:48:31 < zyp> dunno
2016-01-12T13:48:34 < jpa-> you can count yourself
2016-01-12T13:48:42 < zyp> 32?
2016-01-12T13:48:44 < AndreeeCZ> ah no
2016-01-12T13:48:45 < jpa-> won't each encoder be 2 inputs?
2016-01-12T13:48:54 < zyp> yeah, same thought
2016-01-12T13:48:56 < AndreeeCZ> yes, i miscalculated
2016-01-12T13:49:01 < AndreeeCZ> sorry
2016-01-12T13:49:04 < zyp> are you going to do software decoding of the decoders?
2016-01-12T13:49:10 < zyp> or use hardware for that?
2016-01-12T13:49:22 < AndreeeCZ> i would prefer doing as much as possible in software
2016-01-12T13:49:34 < zyp> each timer can decode a single decoder, but I'm not sure if there's 6 of those free
2016-01-12T13:49:49 < zyp> oh, quadrature decoding is much better left to hardware
2016-01-12T13:50:18 < AndreeeCZ> im not very skilled with pcb design, soldering and the lot, so i'd prefer just wiring everything via a pin header and dealing with it in software
2016-01-12T13:50:30 < zyp> I'm talking about the stm32 timers
2016-01-12T13:50:40 < zyp> they have quadrature encoder support
2016-01-12T13:50:59 < zyp> so you just hook it up to two timer pins, and read out the decoded count directly from a register
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2016-01-12T13:51:26 < zyp> eliminates need to worry about software having time to keep up with the steps
2016-01-12T13:51:55 < zyp> but, as my original point were, that requires enough timers to dedicate one to each
2016-01-12T13:52:45 < jpa-> EXTI is a reasonable option also, but you have to select pins so that they don't alias
2016-01-12T13:53:19 < jpa-> reading encoders completely by software polling sounds unreliable, unless you waste a lot of time sampling them
2016-01-12T13:55:00 < zyp> that of course depends on the encoder resolution and expected max speed
2016-01-12T13:56:30 < zyp> there's a fair amount of difference between a knob with a 24ppr encoder and detents, and a 256ppr encoder that's freely spinning
2016-01-12T13:57:19 < AndreeeCZ> i see
2016-01-12T13:57:20 < AndreeeCZ> well
2016-01-12T13:57:42 < AndreeeCZ> so one encoder needs two timer pins?
2016-01-12T13:58:25 < zyp> correct, and then consumes that timer entirely
2016-01-12T13:58:42 < zyp> usually CH1 and CH2
2016-01-12T13:59:00 < zyp> but I think there's some options to change that around a bit
2016-01-12T13:59:28 < AndreeeCZ> so i need to find out how many timers does stm32f4discovery have, correct?
2016-01-12T14:00:47 < zyp> I would start with that, yes
2016-01-12T14:01:10 < zyp> how many does the chip have that can do quadrature decoding, and how many are available on the discovery board
2016-01-12T14:02:44 < jpa-> otherwise just pick 12 pins each with different number (so e.g. PA1, PA2, PA3, ... PA12) and use EXTI
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2016-01-12T14:06:17 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/pol/src/1452561831789-2.jpg
2016-01-12T14:07:26 < PeterM> iirc there are a shedload of timers on the f4disco, i know atleast 4 that do the required for encoders, i'd say there are close to enough if not enough
2016-01-12T14:07:39 < AndreeeCZ> Each STM32F4 device has 23 external interrupt or event sources
2016-01-12T14:08:00 < AndreeeCZ> so, i can do all the encoders with exti
2016-01-12T14:08:12 < AndreeeCZ> and all the buttons directly on the pins
2016-01-12T14:08:52 < AndreeeCZ> that would require me to use 38 input pins in total
2016-01-12T14:09:47 < ReadError> dont they have ICs specifically for this?
2016-01-12T14:11:17 < ReadError> oh nm doesnt seem like you are doing motors
2016-01-12T14:11:17 < AndreeeCZ> nope, encoders and tact switches
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2016-01-12T14:13:17 < ReadError> <zyp> I'm talking about the stm32 timers
2016-01-12T14:13:17 < ReadError> <zyp> they have quadrature encoder support
2016-01-12T14:13:17 < ReadError> <zyp> so you just hook it up to two timer pins, and read out the decoded count directly from a register
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2016-01-12T14:13:34 < ReadError> zyp?
2016-01-12T14:13:40 < zyp> hmm?
2016-01-12T14:13:42 < jpa-> ?
2016-01-12T14:14:39 < PeterM> ??
2016-01-12T14:14:52 < ReadError> this functionality is built in to the timers?
2016-01-12T14:14:56 < PeterM> yes
2016-01-12T14:15:11 < zyp> yes
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2016-01-12T14:15:52 < ReadError> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/DM00042534.pdf ah didnt know
2016-01-12T14:16:04 < ReadError> thats neat
2016-01-12T14:16:20 < zyp> I'm using it on my HID board
2016-01-12T14:16:27 < AndreeeCZ> in any case: based on this, there is far more GPIOs that i even require (38) http://www.sciencezero.org/files/thumb/5/51/STM32F4_discovery_pinout2.jpg/640px-STM32F4_discovery_pinout2.jpg
2016-01-12T14:31:22 < Laurenceb_> aiui the quadrature decode needs decentish debouncing
2016-01-12T14:31:26 < Laurenceb_> or it can glitch
2016-01-12T14:32:56 < zyp> might be, I've mainly been feeding it from optical sensors
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2016-01-12T14:45:27 < jpa-> it shouldn't glitch as long as the bounces last less than the time until the other signal changes also
2016-01-12T14:45:37 < jpa-> and if they last longer, it gets very annoying to debounce
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2016-01-12T14:46:02 < jpa-> (well, it will glitch between two neighbour values)
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2016-01-12T15:41:55 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/61Zn7F8.gifv
2016-01-12T15:42:00 < ReadError> ole girl stuntin with that tape
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2016-01-12T15:55:37 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/DGCuqXy
2016-01-12T15:55:39 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2016-01-12T16:02:01 < jpa-> meanwhile in finland  https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12439538_10153383687116134_3954468081703631213_n.jpg?oh=6211e933575f087b574eb18978043d79&oe=56FCF122
2016-01-12T16:04:04 < lorenzo> wish I was there
2016-01-12T16:06:33 < zyp> jpa-, oh, you guys also hate each other?
2016-01-12T16:06:50 < Laurenceb_> lol why the huge gaps
2016-01-12T16:07:04 < zyp> Laurenceb_, because they hate each other
2016-01-12T16:08:34 < jpa-> yeah
2016-01-12T16:09:00 < jpa-> you never know who starts talking, or accidentally moves a bit so that the coats touch
2016-01-12T16:09:05 < Laurenceb_> hate bus
2016-01-12T16:09:32 < Laurenceb_> lol "its not homo as long as the coats dont touch"
2016-01-12T16:13:33 < celeron55> you're too close to people in finland if they can hear you
2016-01-12T16:13:55 < celeron55> i don't understand how finnish people can live in cities
2016-01-12T16:15:06 < jpa-> sound insulation and staying indoors
2016-01-12T16:15:15 < jpa-> and headphones
2016-01-12T16:15:18 < jpa-> headphones are mandatory
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2016-01-12T16:21:58 < AndreeeCZ> jpa-, is this a queue for something?
2016-01-12T16:22:12 < karlp> a bus perhaps?
2016-01-12T16:23:11 < AndreeeCZ> but why like this
2016-01-12T16:23:41 < AndreeeCZ> ok i get the gaps, it's finland, i've lived there for a year so that doesnt surprise me
2016-01-12T16:24:08 < AndreeeCZ> but all the people on the left face the same direction
2016-01-12T16:24:26 < AndreeeCZ> and all the people on the right, too
2016-01-12T16:24:36 < AndreeeCZ> and the dude on the far right looks like he's peeing
2016-01-12T16:24:47 < AndreeeCZ> so maybe its a pee queue
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2016-01-12T16:40:39 < jpa-> AndreeeCZ: nah they are obviously waiting for the bus
2016-01-12T16:40:50 < jpa-> it arrives faster if you look towards where it is coming from
2016-01-12T16:49:33 < AndreeeCZ> ah right, i forgot about that fact of life
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2016-01-12T16:53:20 < Fleck> ;p
2016-01-12T16:53:45 < ReadError> just like watching water boil
2016-01-12T16:54:48 < jpa-> no, water never boils if you watch it
2016-01-12T16:54:57 < jpa-> it's the exact opposite
2016-01-12T16:55:02 < ReadError> paint dry?
2016-01-12T16:55:20 < jpa-> that you do just for fun, the paint doesn't care
2016-01-12T16:57:00 < BrainDamage> howrever if you press multiple times the traffic light call or the elevator call, the devices senses your impatience and reduce the delays
2016-01-12T17:02:31 < Sync> I'd build the control so that it skips the pedestrian cycle if they press too often
2016-01-12T17:02:52 < Sync> but I guess only people that pay attention would notice it
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2016-01-12T17:07:50 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/pol/src/1452366120224.webm
2016-01-12T17:07:52 < Laurenceb_> lolling
2016-01-12T17:09:18 < karlp> a different cut of that was posted here a few days ago
2016-01-12T17:13:48 < AndreeeCZ> BrainDamage, agreed
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2016-01-12T17:31:26 < Sync> Laurenceb_: old news
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2016-01-12T17:33:59 < Laurenceb_> http://www.st.com/web/en/fragment/sales_and_marketing/e-news/e-news_image/STM32F410_Ecosystem_N3757S_big.jpg
2016-01-12T17:34:01 < Laurenceb_> dat BGA
2016-01-12T17:35:42 < ReadError> wow so small very kawaii
2016-01-12T17:37:09 < Laurenceb_> surely someone offers cheap pcb fab with tiny traces
2016-01-12T17:54:50 < upgrdman_> we need moar chatz
2016-01-12T17:56:04  * Laurenceb_ heads back to 8chan for chatz
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2016-01-12T17:56:41 < Laurenceb_>  8chan (AKA "InfinityChan"/"New 4Chan/Hotwheels Chan/MidgetChan") is a cockroach infested Internet hostel for users too cancerous for 4chan
2016-01-12T17:56:43 < Laurenceb_> accurate
2016-01-12T17:57:12 < ReadError> surely you can find some articles that need updating on ED
2016-01-12T17:57:19 < Laurenceb_> good idea
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2016-01-12T18:22:16 < upgrdman_> god fucking damn it. coworkers redefining words for their convenience.
2016-01-12T18:22:22 < upgrdman_> "softfault" and "hardfault"
2016-01-12T18:22:28 < upgrdman_> severity is the same
2016-01-12T18:22:41 < upgrdman_> softfaults are detective my software, hardfaults are detected by hardware
2016-01-12T18:22:50 < upgrdman_> s/my/by
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2016-01-12T19:15:57 < zyp> haha
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2016-01-12T19:51:30 < zyp> hmm, windows is also being an ass with window positions
2016-01-12T19:51:46 < zyp> turned off one monitor output
2016-01-12T19:52:03 < zyp> all windows on other two monitors got moved around
2016-01-12T19:52:33 < lorenzo> https://twitter.com/ericdfields/status/677677470590570496/photo/1
2016-01-12T20:03:11 < Steffanx> Except that's its no javascript
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2016-01-12T20:18:52 < ReadError> oh boy 1 gallon of h2o2
2016-01-12T20:19:01 < ReadError> what fun things can i do upgrdman_
2016-01-12T20:19:20 < upgrdman_> etch pcbs
2016-01-12T20:19:42 < upgrdman_> make funny looking pennies
2016-01-12T20:19:56 < upgrdman_> etc.
2016-01-12T20:24:58 < Steffanx> do the hair thing?
2016-01-12T20:25:04 < Steffanx> scooter style.
2016-01-12T20:26:13 < lorenzo> always hardcore
2016-01-12T20:26:18 < lorenzo> was that the guy?
2016-01-12T20:27:53 < ReadError> bleach hair?
2016-01-12T20:28:07 < Steffanx> "Yea-ea-ea-ah, yea-ea"
2016-01-12T20:31:29 < Steffanx> Ofcourse ReadError
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2016-01-12T20:45:03 < Rob235> gotta buy a new water pump, my water cooled htpc is leaking
2016-01-12T20:45:10 < Rob235> thats gonna be a bitch to fix
2016-01-12T20:48:15 < BrainDamage> order 1 gallon of aceton
2016-01-12T20:48:18 < BrainDamage> mix
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2016-01-12T20:48:37 < Rob235> ?
2016-01-12T20:48:51 < BrainDamage> to go with the h2o2
2016-01-12T20:49:06 < BrainDamage> mix, collect the solid preciptate, and have fun
2016-01-12T20:49:18 < BrainDamage> that is, if you still have hands afterwards
2016-01-12T20:49:44 < Rob235> oh I thought you were talking to me haha
2016-01-12T20:50:48 < zyp> dongs, mailed you some gerbers and shit
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2016-01-12T21:02:46 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2016-01-12T21:02:55 < Laurenceb_> mix fuel and H2O2, add match
2016-01-12T21:03:50 < Laurenceb_> www.churchofsatan.com/
2016-01-12T21:04:15 < Laurenceb_> we are the first above-ground organization  LOL
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2016-01-12T21:07:23 < BrainDamage> you don't need a match if you make TATP, it's an extremely friction and heat sensitive primary explosive that undergoes detonation after like 4g from gravitational confinment, it's the perfect way to blow off your hands
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2016-01-12T21:10:51 < Rob235> in diptrace, how do I add a female connector to connect to the black connector here: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/catalog/39708s2(1).jpg
2016-01-12T21:17:00 < jpa-> umm, female?
2016-01-12T21:17:08 < jpa-> so not a pin header?
2016-01-12T21:17:44 < Rob235> is that in the pic considered a female? its kind of confusing
2016-01-12T21:18:07 < jpa-> yes, it has hole
2016-01-12T21:18:12 < jpa-> pin header looks much more like a penis
2016-01-12T21:18:29 < Rob235> i guess pins go inside that but the whole connector goes inside something else which now I guess is the male
2016-01-12T21:18:46 < jpa-> ok, then you want something more than just a pin header
2016-01-12T21:18:47 < Rob235> would you just use header pins?
2016-01-12T21:18:55 < jpa-> yes, i would
2016-01-12T21:19:01 < jpa-> you might have something fancier
2016-01-12T21:19:10 < Rob235> and can I assume those are 0.1 in spacing or can it vary
2016-01-12T21:19:30 < jpa-> they are 2.54 mm spacing pretty much always
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2016-01-12T21:19:39 < ReadError> Rob235, look for HDR
2016-01-12T21:19:41 < ReadError> or something
2016-01-12T21:19:44 < jpa-> you can usually recognize 2 mm, and if you don't karlp will point it out
2016-01-12T21:19:52 < ReadError> they have all different kinds of 100mil pin configs
2016-01-12T21:20:39 < Rob235> what about jst connectors for lipo batteries
2016-01-12T21:21:33 < Rob235> I wish I knew the difference between all the header pin connector choices in diptrace
2016-01-12T21:22:14 < ReadError> you just use what you need
2016-01-12T21:22:20 < ReadError> any 100mil pattern will be fine
2016-01-12T21:22:26 < ReadError> or just make what you need
2016-01-12T21:22:38 < ReadError> jst for lipo? explain
2016-01-12T21:23:15 < Rob235> isn't the connector that reads the voltage from each cell jst? let me get a pic
2016-01-12T21:23:23 < ReadError> oh yea but...
2016-01-12T21:23:41 < ReadError> you dont want to put that connector on the board
2016-01-12T21:23:51 < ReadError> it will tear all your shit up when you crash
2016-01-12T21:24:11 < Rob235> whys that and what do you do instead?
2016-01-12T21:24:37 < ReadError> most people dont monitor each cell
2016-01-12T21:24:48 < ReadError> typically you just have a divider and monitor the entire pack
2016-01-12T21:24:49 < Fleck> http://9gag.com/gag/aNnWPB6
2016-01-12T21:25:15 < Rob235> how do you monitor it at all? I haven't gotten to any battery stuff yet so I haven't researched
2016-01-12T21:25:27 < ReadError> you just use an ADC
2016-01-12T21:25:43 < ReadError> 1:10 divider or so
2016-01-12T21:25:59 < ReadError> and just tap the power distro board
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2016-01-12T21:27:45 < PaulFertser> karlp: did you try ch340 with stm32 bootloader? Do you know of any issues with even parity and those chips?
2016-01-12T21:27:51 < ReadError> measuring current is a good idea too
2016-01-12T21:27:58 < ReadError> best metric of how long you have left
2016-01-12T21:29:28 < PaulFertser> karlp: aha, you've actually implemented it on Linux, great, thank you! :)
2016-01-12T21:33:17 < Rob235> bahh this is tough.  I want to create this pcb to get everything connected but I just realized how much more designing I still have to do.
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2016-01-12T21:37:52 < Rob235> I guess its not that much.  I have to figure out how I'm going to mount the boards on the center plate and how I'm going to monitor battery
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2016-01-12T21:46:09  * KreAture_ is regretting trying to mix c and c++
2016-01-12T21:47:26 < Rob235> http://www.flyingtech.co.uk/sites/default/files/Product_images/680pro%20PDB.jpg is there any way to figure out where I can drill this without hitting a copper route?
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2016-01-12T21:48:23 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-01-12T21:48:33 < KreAture_> Depends on if it's 2 layer or more
2016-01-12T21:48:57 < Rob235> this is a pain in the ass :/
2016-01-12T21:49:10 < lorenzo> x-rays
2016-01-12T21:49:21 < upgrdman_> if you have an FFT, and want to calculate the noise floor, how do you do that? i mean eye-balling it is easy, but to get a number...? is there some convention, like "sort the bins by power, ignore the higher 10% of bins, and the power of the next bin is the noise floor" ?
2016-01-12T21:56:28 < upgrdman_> LOL. retweeting from ##fpga:  https://code.google.com/p/google-security-research/issues/detail?id=693
2016-01-12T21:58:35 < lorenzo> TrendMicro helpfully adds a self-signed https certificate for localhost to the trust store, so you don't need to click through any security errors.
2016-01-12T21:58:40 < lorenzo> see, that's a solid workaround
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2016-01-12T22:03:54 < karlp> PaulFertser: well, I couldn't get it to a standard for merging unfortunately, but, you're welcome :)
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2016-01-12T22:19:26 < Rob235> is drilling carbon fiber difficult? http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/3/1/8/8/2/1/a6656652-114-Top.jpg that doesnt look terrible with the top plate, but the holes don't line up and have to be drilled
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2016-01-12T22:21:39 < KreAture_> Rob235 creates nasty dust and wears bits fast but no, not difficult.
2016-01-12T22:22:01 < Rob235> its only 4 holes and I'll wear a mask :) thanks
2016-01-12T22:23:51 < lorenzo> Rob235: and gloves
2016-01-12T22:24:05 < Rob235> ok
2016-01-12T22:26:30 < upgrdman_> "The second and third harmonics are generally the only
2016-01-12T22:26:31 < upgrdman_> ones specified on a data sheet because they tend to be the largest, although some data sheets may
2016-01-12T22:26:31 < upgrdman_> specify the value of the worst harmonic." ... will there ever be a time where the second harmonic is NOT the worst harmonic? if so, why?
2016-01-12T22:26:59 < Rob235> hmm, even better idea.... if those standoffs are less than 10cm apart I can design my pcb/shield to extend over them with holes and avoid the need for the carbon fiber plate at all. actually does oshpark have a 10cm limit or is it just by square inch?
2016-01-12T22:34:31 < ReadError> 10cm would be pretty pricey at osh
2016-01-12T22:35:07 < Rob235> are pcbs strong enough for that?
2016-01-12T22:35:25 < ReadError> im not sure what you are trying to do
2016-01-12T22:35:25 < Rob235> yea but its a one time thing so I don't mind splurging for something that looks good
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2016-01-12T22:37:14 < Rob235> in that pic see the top small carbon fiber plate on standoffs? I would have the standoffs but not the plate, I'm designing a pcb thats a shield for the stm32f4 discovery and would shape the pcb to have arms that reach out to those standoffs so I can screw the pcb on and the stm32f4 would be plugged into the pcb underneath with female headers on my pcb
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2016-01-12T23:06:54 < upgrdman_> Rob235, if your going to make a pcb, why the fuck as you going to also use a disco board. just put the f4 on your custom pcb.
2016-01-12T23:08:15 < Rob235> because I didn't plan on it from the beginning and I don't want to go through all the work to change it.  I might switch over eventually but I have enough work to do already
2016-01-12T23:10:43 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmN3kj3SrOA :D
2016-01-12T23:12:29 < upgrdman_> Fleck, seemed a bit anticlimactic
2016-01-12T23:14:25 < Rob235> yea, slightly disappointing.  It should have either just blown up in the tube or worked like it did but with better effect
2016-01-12T23:17:30 < ReadError> upgrdman_, thats what i said
2016-01-12T23:18:51 < upgrdman_> ? re: what
2016-01-12T23:19:38 < ReadError> just do a pcb
2016-01-12T23:19:45 < upgrdman_> oh ya
2016-01-12T23:19:54 < zyp> hey, anybody know off the top of their head if SPI periph can swap miso/mosi?
2016-01-12T23:20:19 < zyp> I'm routing a board and they're crossing :p
2016-01-12T23:20:23 < upgrdman_> iirc f051 can
2016-01-12T23:20:27 < upgrdman_> lemme check
2016-01-12T23:20:39 < zyp> this is l052 or so
2016-01-12T23:20:50 < upgrdman_> o
2016-01-12T23:21:02 < zyp> which should have same periph, no?
2016-01-12T23:22:27 < zyp> hmm, I can't see any bits for it
2016-01-12T23:22:41 < zyp> IIRC UARTv2 can do that, was hoping SPI would be equally convenient
2016-01-12T23:22:57 < Fleck> upgrdman_: dunno, I liked the bang! :D
2016-01-12T23:22:59 < fenugrec> zyp  just route a 2mil trace between the two pins p-))
2016-01-12T23:23:06 < zyp> haha
2016-01-12T23:23:39 < upgrdman_> zyp, mmm ya i think i was wrong. i dont see it either.
2016-01-12T23:23:40 < fenugrec> Has anyone seen that done on, say, 0.65mm pitch parts ? Or even better, 0.5mm ?
2016-01-12T23:24:38 < fenugrec> I've done that on a SOIC footprint, 1.27mm, and it was unpleasantly close p-)
2016-01-12T23:24:59 < upgrdman_> same here, SOIC and like 1.2mm pitch hot bar shitz
2016-01-12T23:25:38 < upgrdman_> but i think it was like 4mil, not 2mil trace
2016-01-12T23:25:40 < upgrdman_> e.g. http://farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-01-17_DIY_PCBs_with_Solder_Mask/closeup2.jpg
2016-01-12T23:26:08 < fenugrec> bahahah
2016-01-12T23:26:28 < fenugrec> gotta do what ya gotta do
2016-01-12T23:27:00 < upgrdman_> ya. turned out pretty clean too, espcially for a diy pcb
2016-01-12T23:27:01 < upgrdman_> http://farrellf.com/temp/pcb_macros/IMG_4389.JPG
2016-01-12T23:27:52 < fenugrec> upgrdman what's your process, photoetch ?
2016-01-12T23:28:02 < upgrdman_> ya
2016-01-12T23:28:20 < upgrdman_> http://farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2013-06-01_PCB_Design_and_Etching/
2016-01-12T23:28:21 < upgrdman_> and
2016-01-12T23:28:26 < upgrdman_> http://farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-01-17_DIY_PCBs_with_Solder_Mask/
2016-01-12T23:29:16 < upgrdman_> althought i now use HCl + H2O2 instead of sodpersul
2016-01-12T23:29:25 < fenugrec> nice. I used to bother with toner-transfer, but got tired of very inconsistent results and the necessary watery shitmess. And going over every "close shave" with an exacto to lift off stray paper fibers... gah
2016-01-12T23:29:48 < fenugrec> oh yeah, HCl is the way to go. Not going back to FeCl3 in a hurry
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2016-01-12T23:31:35 < fenugrec> upgrdman_  do you do 2-sided too ? I did, a few times - what a nightmare
2016-01-12T23:32:09 < ReadError> zyp http://i.imgur.com/MyjYZLW.jpg
2016-01-12T23:32:12 < ReadError> go prostyle
2016-01-12T23:32:21 < ReadError> (not shorted)
2016-01-12T23:32:47 < upgrdman__> fenugrec, no. single sigled, and only SMD. way too lazy to drill
2016-01-12T23:32:59 < upgrdman__> if i only have a PTH part, i make it SMD
2016-01-12T23:33:10 < upgrdman__> *single sided
2016-01-12T23:33:54 < fenugrec> upgrdman (how many __ does one man need p-). Yeah, but I like PTH 's  better strain-relief for connectors / UI
2016-01-12T23:34:27 < Rob235> I'm so happy I didn't know all the shit that would go into this project when I started out.  It most likely would have kept me from getting started with electronics :/
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2016-01-12T23:36:25 < upgrdman_> fenugrec, ya. for diy shit i use hot glue or shoe goo for strain relief, but yes, PTH for real world pcb connectors.
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2016-01-12T23:36:35 < upgrdman_> and the __ was because i got dropped :) fixed
2016-01-12T23:36:44 < fenugrec> hehe
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2016-01-12T23:39:51 < KreAture_> I think I must be not linking to the right stuff
2016-01-12T23:39:53 < KreAture_> obj\debug\src\display\display.o:(.rodata._ZTI7Display[_ZTI7Display]+0x0)||undefined reference to `vtable for __cxxabiv1::__class_type_info'|
2016-01-12T23:39:55 < KreAture_> sigh
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2016-01-13T00:00:00 < Rob235> with oshpark can you cut shapes out of the middle of a board? like http://longhornengineer.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/20140130_194931.jpg but instead of a rectangle a rounded triangle or something.  I don't know how they cut their boards or if its allowed
2016-01-13T00:00:18 < KreAture_> fixed it, was not using the right libs in linker
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2016-01-13T00:25:45 < karlp> jpa-: how much of a speedup do yu get in sigrok with the addr2line->objdump changes?
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2016-01-13T00:31:32 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/XQc3j.png <- dicked up some shit
2016-01-13T00:31:48 < Rob235> can you do mine?
2016-01-13T00:31:50 < zyp> wonder if this shit will work, I've been pulling values for anything out of my ass
2016-01-13T00:31:50 < Rob235> :)
2016-01-13T00:32:02 < zyp> including antenna trace width
2016-01-13T00:33:00 < kakimir> time to test my isolated board if it has smoke to it
2016-01-13T00:35:40 < upgrdman_> zyp, rfid?
2016-01-13T00:36:02 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-13T00:36:07 < zyp> rfid/nfc
2016-01-13T00:36:10 < upgrdman_> neat
2016-01-13T00:37:24 < kakimir> I wonder if I just.. yolo power it
2016-01-13T00:37:51 < kakimir> or start sliding current up slowly
2016-01-13T00:38:17 < kakimir> that doesn't show any confidence in what I'm doing
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2016-01-13T00:38:53 < celeron55> power it up from a car battery
2016-01-13T00:38:58 < celeron55> no fuses
2016-01-13T00:39:03 < kakimir> Unlimited Power Supply is way to go with board testing
2016-01-13T00:39:15 < kakimir> it also blows out any errors on board
2016-01-13T00:41:00 < Fleck> ;p
2016-01-13T00:44:51 < Laurenceb_> https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2016/Jan/12/LiveLeak-dot-com-507_1452615101-LiveLeak-dot-com-726_1452370635-IMG_2016_1452615119.jpg.resized.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd2944b40dbd25802&ec_rate=230
2016-01-13T00:45:53 < Rob235> ReadError: how do you test lipo current and use that to determine battery level?
2016-01-13T00:46:20 < ReadError> current shunt
2016-01-13T00:46:29 < ReadError> mAh consumed
2016-01-13T00:46:34 < ReadError> vs mAh avail
2016-01-13T00:46:54 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: swedish girls
2016-01-13T00:47:20 < celeron55> Laurenceb_: is that even real
2016-01-13T00:47:51 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKQUIxN09BN0JFUE0/view?usp=sharing new life for tool belt pocket
2016-01-13T00:48:17 < kakimir> fits master fragile snugly
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2016-01-13T00:52:44 < Rob235> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10644 would that be good to use?
2016-01-13T00:53:58 < kakimir> 3v3 analog outbutt
2016-01-13T00:54:01 < kakimir> why not
2016-01-13T00:54:15 < kakimir> but lo0k.. it's hideous ripoff
2016-01-13T00:55:50 < kakimir> 20usd for thumbnail size board having amplifier and resistor
2016-01-13T00:56:27 < lorenzo> hey, there's also a capacitor
2016-01-13T00:56:34 < lorenzo> I'm sure that's what drives up the price
2016-01-13T00:56:55 < kakimir> hmm.. true
2016-01-13T00:57:32 < kakimir> for 20usd you order your own board in three or more units
2016-01-13T00:58:04 < kakimir> and buy at least one shunt and amplifier
2016-01-13T00:58:31 < lorenzo> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13678
2016-01-13T00:58:44 < lorenzo> they seem to have quite high prices for pretty much anything
2016-01-13T00:59:05 < kakimir> you havent seen anything
2016-01-13T00:59:16 < celeron55> sparkfun or other actual US shops aren't exactly the place to get things for cheap
2016-01-13T00:59:36 < Rob235> i like ordering from adafruit though. they are one state away, really fast shipping
2016-01-13T00:59:41 < kakimir> try some national shops from little countries
2016-01-13T00:59:49 < celeron55> adafruit is extremely expensive too, but the quality is sometimes worth it
2016-01-13T01:00:00 < kakimir> esp can be over 10eur
2016-01-13T01:00:17 < lorenzo> talking about adafruit I need a few of these https://www.adafruit.com/products/1162
2016-01-13T01:00:40 < lorenzo> costs $30+ to ship in europe, they don't seem to provide board files either
2016-01-13T01:00:46 < Rob235> and i'm not making more than one of this project so I don't mind paying extra.  If I was making 10+ of something, or even 5+, I would save the money
2016-01-13T01:00:49 < celeron55> that's not very expensive but shipping for sure will be
2016-01-13T01:00:54 < lorenzo> exactly
2016-01-13T01:00:57 < celeron55> just search the thing on ebay
2016-01-13T01:01:09 < lorenzo> celeron55: tried, there are none that will break out the full 44 pins
2016-01-13T01:01:34 < lorenzo> e.g. http://www.ebay.it/itm/281813348386?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2648&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
2016-01-13T01:01:46 < karlp> adafruit hw _might_ be ok, but holy shit their software is aids
2016-01-13T01:01:48 < lorenzo> I have no idea why they skipped all the central pins
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2016-01-13T01:02:24 < Rob235> haven't used adafruit's software, writing my own libraries, theirs might be better :)
2016-01-13T01:02:42 < celeron55> lorenzo: http://www.ebay.ie/itm/3pcs-QFN44-QFP48-QFP44-PQFP-LQFP-SMD-Adapter-PCB-/131341514103?hash=item1e94907577
2016-01-13T01:02:45 < celeron55> i bought these some months ago
2016-01-13T01:02:52 < Rob235> my bno055, bmp280 and tlc5947 are all adafruit
2016-01-13T01:03:02 < lorenzo> celeron55: yeah I saw those but theyre 0.5mm
2016-01-13T01:03:32 < celeron55> oh, true
2016-01-13T01:05:29 < celeron55> it's cheaper to buy from adafruit than order custom pcbs from china though
2016-01-13T01:05:42 < celeron55> so i guess they've got that going for them
2016-01-13T01:05:58 < lorenzo> I wonder what happens if I just ask adafruit for their board schematics
2016-01-13T01:06:20 < lorenzo> and send them along with the next batch of custom pcbs we'll need
2016-01-13T01:06:39 < celeron55> (or, actually, custom pcbs from china might be cheaper if you use the slowest delivery and wait for weeks and weeks)
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2016-01-13T01:13:57 < zyp> dongs, oh, haha, I just realized I forgot to add fiducials
2016-01-13T01:14:44 < zyp> dongs, can you get by with the fiducials on the panel shit? if not I'll fix you gerbers tomorrow
2016-01-13T01:14:51 < zyp> new gerbers
2016-01-13T01:14:53 < Rob235__> so you just put this in series between your battery and power distribution board? https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/5/4/1/2/10644-02c.jpg
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2016-01-13T01:16:02 < Rob235__> just cut the wire going from battery to power distribution board, connect pwr/gnd from battery end to left side and pwr/gnd from power distro board on right?
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2016-01-13T01:36:40 < kakimir> unbelieveable
2016-01-13T01:37:21 < kakimir> I have my isol. DCDC wrong way around
2016-01-13T01:37:56 < kakimir> that's why it took everything my supply got
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2016-01-13T01:38:55 < zyp> haha
2016-01-13T01:38:59 < kakimir> I have drawn bottom shape of it and had right numbering though
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2016-01-13T02:04:06 < Laurenceb_> worldstar
2016-01-13T02:04:35 < kakimir> homo
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2016-01-13T02:05:22 < kakimir> do you have this insult to call one homosexuel?
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2016-01-13T02:07:10 < dongs> zyp, i see y ou innovated a bunch of shit
2016-01-13T02:07:32 < dongs> zyp, if its just a few boards i can dick it by holes in the pcb or something
2016-01-13T02:07:59 < zyp> there's no holes :D
2016-01-13T02:08:21 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNUJoZXEwTl9SZms/view?usp=sharing that fits snugly there
2016-01-13T02:08:40 < dongs> oh
2016-01-13T02:08:41 < dongs> well
2016-01-13T02:08:44 < dongs> yueah you better add some
2016-01-13T02:09:01 < dongs> and you want this paneled/
2016-01-13T02:09:09 < dongs> i saw e mail i didnt see many instructions to go with them
2016-01-13T02:09:10 < zyp> okay, I'll do it tomorrow after work
2016-01-13T02:09:17 < dongs> just woke up
2016-01-13T02:09:17 < zyp> haha
2016-01-13T02:09:19 < dongs> still trolling
2016-01-13T02:09:25 < zyp> like I said, just protos
2016-01-13T02:09:34 < dongs> right, but you said 'fiducials on panel'
2016-01-13T02:09:41 < zyp> oh
2016-01-13T02:09:42 < zyp> of course
2016-01-13T02:10:00 < zyp> haha, I forgot it wouldn't be paneled
2016-01-13T02:10:08 < dongs> if proto i will generally just have it individual unless they're small
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2016-01-13T02:11:31 < dongs> ya uh
2016-01-13T02:11:33 < dongs> that looks small
2016-01-13T02:11:37 < dongs> usbjvs will be arrayed
2016-01-13T02:11:54 < dongs> hm, maybe
2016-01-13T02:11:55 < kakimir> I need some killer microusb cable that charges my phone without problem every time super speed... recommends?
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2016-01-13T02:12:41 < kakimir> all cables even good ones are after a while total shit
2016-01-13T02:13:38 < dongs> zyp: 24x24 on usb right?
2016-01-13T02:14:04 < zyp> size? sounds about right
2016-01-13T02:14:33 < PeterM> kakimir, stick it in the microwave, set timer to 10 mins
2016-01-13T02:14:34 < zyp> it's the same as this 30x10cm shit I made before, except I replaced dumb edge connector with another micro connector
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2016-01-13T02:15:07 < dongs> and 36x44 for nfc
2016-01-13T02:15:12 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-13T02:15:24 < dongs> kk, so nfc will be single board but usb will get arrayed
2016-01-13T02:15:28 < dongs> probly 4x4 array
2016-01-13T02:15:40 < dongs> er 2x2 i guess
2016-01-13T02:15:42 < dongs> so its 4 total
2016-01-13T02:15:45 < zyp> hmm, okay
2016-01-13T02:15:59 < dongs> or maybe long-side arrayed so usb sticks out
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2016-01-13T02:16:37 < zyp> and this is going on the usual super cheap 2L proto panels like other protos I've done before?
2016-01-13T02:16:42 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-13T02:16:53 < zyp> so 4x12 of the usbjvs?
2016-01-13T02:16:54 < dongs> how many do you acautally need?
2016-01-13T02:17:09 < dongs> like ~10 sheets that usuaslly ends up 11 or so
2016-01-13T02:17:13 < dongs> or 12
2016-01-13T02:17:47 < zyp> 12 is more than enough of each for now, but if shit actually works I might do volumes of each soon
2016-01-13T02:19:35 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/eeQ81vl.gifv
2016-01-13T02:20:43 < kakimir> that is why you wear shirt
2016-01-13T02:21:03 < kakimir> tip is visible otherwise
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2016-01-13T02:23:18 < zyp> dongs, can you get me a quote on the BOMs as well? the stm32 is the l0 that I've bought before, so the only really new part is the st95hf
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2016-01-13T02:25:43 < dongs> ok
2016-01-13T02:25:47 < dongs> will send
2016-01-13T02:26:24 < dongs> also
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2016-01-13T02:26:28 < dongs> you forgot to export GKO
2016-01-13T02:26:30 < dongs> on both gerbers
2016-01-13T02:26:35 < zyp> what's GKO?
2016-01-13T02:26:38 < dongs> board outline
2016-01-13T02:26:49 < dongs> the keepout layer that you should be basing your outline on anyway
2016-01-13T02:26:58 < dongs> ah its in GM1 there
2016-01-13T02:27:03 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-13T02:27:05 < dongs> fale
2016-01-13T02:27:09 < zyp> I've always been using GM1 for outline
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2016-01-13T02:27:22 < zyp> which might be dumb, but eh
2016-01-13T02:27:25 < dongs> eh
2016-01-13T02:27:28 < zyp> I'll keep it in mind for next time
2016-01-13T02:27:33 < dongs> but if you use gko, it does proper copper pour pullback
2016-01-13T02:27:55 < dongs> how doyou adjust edge|pour spacing now?
2016-01-13T02:28:06 < zyp> wait, GKO is keepout?
2016-01-13T02:28:09 < dongs> yes
2016-01-13T02:28:14 < zyp> oh, okay
2016-01-13T02:28:15 < dongs> the pink? or whaever line
2016-01-13T02:28:23 < zyp> I usually draw the same shit in keepout and mech1
2016-01-13T02:28:26 < dongs> oh
2016-01-13T02:28:38 < dongs> yeah you might as well just not do gm1 and just keep it in keepout
2016-01-13T02:28:47 < dongs> anad export that, ext will be .gko
2016-01-13T02:28:59 < dongs> and its thickness controls the puillback
2016-01-13T02:29:01 < zyp> yeah, assuming I don't use keepout for anything else
2016-01-13T02:29:07 < dongs> you shouldnt be
2016-01-13T02:30:11 < dongs> ok so i have an idea, i think ill panel usb one on top of another vertically, so it will be ~44mm tall and it'll fit next to the nfcboard
2016-01-13T02:30:28 < dongs> and i'll just get 6x usb panels and 12x nfc
2016-01-13T02:31:08 < dongs> i can just add fiducials if y ou dont wanna fuck with it, really
2016-01-13T02:32:05 < zyp> sure
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2016-01-13T02:34:31 < dongs> did you know you havent added a gnd->bottom layer via to like any pin in usb board
2016-01-13T02:34:39 < dongs> the only connection between top/bottom gnd you have is at usb connectors
2016-01-13T02:34:45 < zyp> wait, what
2016-01-13T02:35:06 < dongs> like all teh GND pins just connect to the pour
2016-01-13T02:35:09 < dongs> but dont drop down in a via
2016-01-13T02:35:28 < dongs> o wait
2016-01-13T02:35:30 < dongs> i didnt turn on drill layer
2016-01-13T02:35:32 < zyp> are you sure you loaded both drill files?
2016-01-13T02:35:38 < zyp> haha
2016-01-13T02:35:45 < dongs> yeah nvm i see it now ;d
2016-01-13T02:35:49 < zyp> should be plenty of vias
2016-01-13T02:35:55 < dongs> i was like 'hey that pour island isnt connected to shit'
2016-01-13T02:35:56 < dongs> right
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2016-01-13T02:36:42 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/NjEyT.JPG <- it's just a redesign of this shit, middle part is pretty much exactly the same as top in new one
2016-01-13T02:36:54 < zyp> i.e. with most of those vias as well
2016-01-13T02:36:58 < dongs> right
2016-01-13T02:37:01 < dongs> wow, nice clone
2016-01-13T02:37:06 < dongs> does look exactly same
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2016-01-13T02:37:20 < kakimir> what is it
2016-01-13T02:37:25 < dongs> pro work stuff
2016-01-13T02:37:34 < zyp> sch -> delete trace connector, add micro connector
2016-01-13T02:37:37 < kakimir> is that work stuff?
2016-01-13T02:37:47 < zyp> brd -> move connectors around a bit, fix up traces
2016-01-13T02:38:11 < zyp> moved one signal to a gpio on the other side of the chip because cba to route all around the board
2016-01-13T02:38:22 < dongs> laff
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2016-01-13T02:38:49 < kakimir> one hole breaks ground plane integrity
2016-01-13T02:38:56 < dongs> STM32L052R ?
2016-01-13T02:39:01 < dongs> 052R = 64pin, no?
2016-01-13T02:39:18 < zyp> wait
2016-01-13T02:39:24 < dongs> that this is in your bom
2016-01-13T02:39:40 < dongs> same for usb board
2016-01-13T02:39:41 < zyp> yeah, I were probably stupid when I made the parts
2016-01-13T02:40:14 < dongs> also tomorrow i'll need dicknplace files in mm, and csv format
2016-01-13T02:40:16 < upgrdman> ideal birthday cake for dongs   https://gfycat.com/AllOrdinaryCentipede
2016-01-13T02:40:18 < dongs> not that tab-separated .txt trash
2016-01-13T02:40:18 < kakimir> also why breaking ground in bottom side bottom edge by pushing trace to edge
2016-01-13T02:40:44 < kakimir> there is even no vias to obstruct
2016-01-13T02:40:50 < dongs> dont bother with fiducials, will add htem here
2016-01-13T02:42:18 < zyp> STM32L052C8 is what I got last time
2016-01-13T02:42:24 < zyp> so that's what it should be
2016-01-13T02:42:32 < dongs> OK
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2016-01-13T02:44:08 < dongs> so same part on both boards
2016-01-13T02:44:47 < zyp> yeah
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2016-01-13T02:46:11 < zyp> isn't it the cheapest stm32 with usb that's not F1 or F0?
2016-01-13T02:46:31 < dongs> shrug, i dont remember
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2016-01-13T02:46:53 < zyp> it should be
2016-01-13T02:47:09 < zyp> and last time it was at least significantly cheaper than the F3 that's on arcin
2016-01-13T02:47:26 < dongs> yeah thats for sure
2016-01-13T02:47:34 < zyp> I cba to redesign arcin for L0, that would mean having to maintain another firmware
2016-01-13T02:47:51 < dongs> im sure you need fpu to mash those buttons faster
2016-01-13T02:47:59 < zyp> haha
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2016-01-13T02:48:20 < zyp> hey, at the time it made sense :p
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2016-01-13T02:54:12 < upgrdman> neat optics  http://www.esa.int/var/esa/storage/images/esa_multimedia/images/2015/04/pioneering_laser_technology/15368512-1-eng-GB/Pioneering_laser_technology.jpg
2016-01-13T02:54:51 < dongs> how do they make thoise metal parts
2016-01-13T02:54:54 < dongs> is that CNC machined
2016-01-13T02:55:06 < upgrdman> looks like it
2016-01-13T02:55:20 < dongs> i wish  could do cool stuff like that
2016-01-13T02:55:30 < upgrdman> you have a mill+lathe?
2016-01-13T02:55:32 < dongs> no
2016-01-13T02:55:33 < dongs> of course not
2016-01-13T02:55:36 < dongs> thats not even the problem
2016-01-13T02:55:47 < dongs> i have like zero 3D skills
2016-01-13T02:56:13 < upgrdman> but you're super pro altidong component designer with 3d models, no
2016-01-13T02:56:23 < upgrdman> think of it like a super complex SMD part
2016-01-13T02:56:26 < dongs> sure, with existing 3d models
2016-01-13T02:56:29 < upgrdman> and model it in altidongs
2016-01-13T02:56:34 < upgrdman> :)
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2016-01-13T02:57:49 < upgrdman> i modeled this car when i was in high school. when i look back on it now... the proportions of the interior are 100% fucked up. you'd have to be like 3m tall to fit properly in there.  http://www.rcheliguy.com/images/Lotus.png
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2016-01-13T03:00:11 < kakimir> oh it wasnt real car
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2016-01-13T03:00:35 < dongs> wut
2016-01-13T03:00:38 < kakimir> upgrdman: blender?
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2016-01-13T03:00:53 < upgrdman> yes
2016-01-13T03:00:57 < dongs> fuck off
2016-01-13T03:01:02 < dongs> you made that thing from scratch in blender?
2016-01-13T03:01:05 < upgrdman> dongs, yes
2016-01-13T03:01:07 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa_O7_maZq0
2016-01-13T03:01:07 < upgrdman> one sec
2016-01-13T03:01:10 < Laurenceb_> world star
2016-01-13T03:01:11 < upgrdman> i'll get video
2016-01-13T03:01:32 < kakimir> why did you blender?
2016-01-13T03:01:37 < Laurenceb_> nice car, pity about the pedals :P
2016-01-13T03:01:48 < upgrdman> kakimir, free, nice
2016-01-13T03:01:54 < upgrdman> kakimir, dongs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGpyoNChaXE
2016-01-13T03:02:52 < kakimir> so ugly tires
2016-01-13T03:03:16 < upgrdman> also a 100% fucked up game i sorta started to work on  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k3gX-Cohak
2016-01-13T03:03:28 < kakimir> and that shifter
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2016-01-13T03:04:07 < kakimir> did you cry after trying to make indie game?
2016-01-13T03:04:19 < upgrdman> no
2016-01-13T03:04:34 < kakimir> I think I did once..
2016-01-13T03:04:54 < upgrdman> i cried after i realized my passion (3d shitz... so "art" in general) wouldn't pay for shit unless i was a lucky 1%. so i said fuck it and start to fuck with software and electronics
2016-01-13T03:05:04 < dongs> lole
2016-01-13T03:05:07 < dongs> so true
2016-01-13T03:05:15 < upgrdman> so i gave up on 3d before i even got good at it
2016-01-13T03:05:45 < dongs> my 3d skills end at making a cube in mspaint
2016-01-13T03:05:56 < dongs> and more oftehn than not it'll end uip looking like one of those impossible cubes
2016-01-13T03:06:00 < dongs> escher or whatever
2016-01-13T03:06:27 < kakimir> http://imgur.com/gallery/QhoQvzl
2016-01-13T03:06:31 < upgrdman> tesseract
2016-01-13T03:08:10 < kakimir> I feel lucky I dont have that urge to start coding game anymore
2016-01-13T03:08:19 < kakimir> that was horrible times
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2016-01-13T03:10:46 < kakimir> if I use to say openGL for something it will be some kind of interface for device or vehicle... or 3d model viewer for product in web page
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2016-01-13T03:14:52 < kakimir> Had that delusion I could become super coder I just write game per night and so like true pros
2016-01-13T03:15:24 < kakimir> drink much of cola for refreshing
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2016-01-13T03:15:55 < dongs> RIP PC.... "IDC says fourth-quarter PC shipments fell 10.6% year-on-year"
2016-01-13T03:16:25 < upgrdman> does PC include laptops and surface bros?
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2016-01-13T03:19:22 < kakimir> it's getting back to natural state... PC was never something that every household should have
2016-01-13T03:19:35 < kakimir> office gear basically
2016-01-13T03:20:02 < kakimir> it was available and there was demand so it became the thing
2016-01-13T03:20:24 < kakimir> future is craplets
2016-01-13T03:22:22 < dongs> fuck off
2016-01-13T03:22:32 < kakimir> craplets for masses
2016-01-13T03:22:41 < kakimir> true pros use pc anyway
2016-01-13T03:22:51 < dongs> true pros wont have PCs to buy
2016-01-13T03:22:54 < dongs> if this shit continues
2016-01-13T03:23:00 < kakimir> they will
2016-01-13T03:23:08 < kakimir> basic model 2000eur
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2016-01-13T03:23:25 < kakimir> because not made in quantities
2016-01-13T03:24:10 < kakimir> I have friends that do not have computer of have had for years
2016-01-13T03:24:17 < kakimir> or*
2016-01-13T03:24:23 < kakimir> just phone
2016-01-13T03:25:17 < upgrdman> dongs, does "PC" mean desktop, or anything running windows, or what?
2016-01-13T03:25:30 < kakimir> maybe something with keyboard
2016-01-13T03:25:35 < dongs> http://techreport.com/news/29593/idc-says-fourth-quarter-pc-shipments-fell-10-6-year-on-year
2016-01-13T03:25:38 < dongs> upgrdman: ^
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2016-01-13T03:26:19 < upgrdman> tl;dr :(
2016-01-13T03:26:24 < Laurenceb_> haha what the actual fuck
2016-01-13T03:26:30 < Laurenceb_>  /pol/ got merkel nudes
2016-01-13T03:26:36 < dongs> Japan – The market performed better than forecast and posted solid year-over-year growth, however a weaker Yen, high inventory, and lack of Windows 10 marketing continued to constrain PC sales.
2016-01-13T03:26:40 < dongs> lol
2016-01-13T03:26:50 < kakimir> but also PCs from 2010 are just perfect for basic use
2016-01-13T03:26:56 < kakimir> no need to upgrade
2016-01-13T03:26:58 < Laurenceb_> incoming
2016-01-13T03:27:09 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/thumb/1451768729349.jpg  NSFL
2016-01-13T03:27:31 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, those we on reddit like >1yr ago
2016-01-13T03:27:40 < Laurenceb_>  doh
2016-01-13T03:27:44 < Laurenceb_> they look shopped
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2016-01-13T03:28:34 < kakimir> looks cropped
2016-01-13T03:28:55 < Laurenceb_> kakimir too busy fapping
2016-01-13T03:29:11 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1452429831635.jpg
2016-01-13T03:29:16 < kakimir> I got erection
2016-01-13T03:29:31 < dongs> does anyone evne care about that shit
2016-01-13T03:29:35 < dongs> Laurenceb_: your stuff is unfunny
2016-01-13T03:29:48 < Laurenceb_> too much info kakimir
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2016-01-13T03:55:05 < ds2> sigh... premium for non 0.062 PCBs can get steep
2016-01-13T03:56:53 < dongs> ds2, youre definitely doing it wrong
2016-01-13T03:57:19 < dongs> 0.4 to 1.6 is like standard thickness everywehre
2016-01-13T03:57:21 < ds2> dongs: there aren't many poolers willing to do non 0.062 boards
2016-01-13T03:58:03 < ds2> only guy I found that did it at a reasonable price was pcbpool but their annular ring specs wouldn't work
2016-01-13T03:58:19 < ds2> other guys wanted about $350 lot charge
2016-01-13T03:58:30 < dongs> ds2, have you considered me making them
2016-01-13T03:58:33 < ds2> so it may be standard, it just isn't offered
2016-01-13T03:58:36 < dongs> you know wiht proper specs.
2016-01-13T03:59:08 < ds2> dongs: I'll quote more if the project works
2016-01-13T03:59:21 < dongs> i wont shame you that its made with kikecad ^_^
2016-01-13T03:59:33 < ds2> _I_ don't need non 0.062 boards; it is the damn connector
2016-01-13T03:59:52 < ds2> 0.040 long TH leads... going to just hack solder them for now :(
2016-01-13T04:00:09 < ds2> no, pure eagle crap :D
2016-01-13T04:00:25 < dongs> ds2, er, are you sure its not designed for paste-in-pad reflow?
2016-01-13T04:00:35 < dongs> the same thing with tehse mini displayport connectors I got
2016-01-13T04:00:41 < dongs> their pins are too short for 1.6mm
2016-01-13T04:00:43 < ds2> dongs: it is recommended for thin boards per the datasheet
2016-01-13T04:00:45 < dongs> so I just put solder over pads and done
2016-01-13T04:00:46 < dongs> oic
2016-01-13T04:00:50 < dongs> pads = holes
2016-01-13T04:01:00 < dongs> well wahtever
2016-01-13T04:01:08 < dongs> you always seem to haev problems with random st uff
2016-01-13T04:01:19 < ds2> not many folks make a nice short USB micro B plug for PCB mount
2016-01-13T04:01:27 < ds2> yes. it is always the random stuff that is killing me
2016-01-13T04:01:51 < dongs> ... what
2016-01-13T04:01:54 < dongs> what microb are you using
2016-01-13T04:02:12 < ds2> Global Connector Tech's USB3150
2016-01-13T04:02:37 < dongs> oh the vertical shit
2016-01-13T04:02:42 < dongs> china found some clone of that thing
2016-01-13T04:02:57 < dongs> oh thats a plug too, not socket
2016-01-13T04:02:58 < dongs> cool
2016-01-13T04:03:04 < ds2> china won't sell me 10 to test an idea :(
2016-01-13T04:03:07 < dongs> anyway, yeah those are totally made for paste in pad dude
2016-01-13T04:03:18 < dongs> you dont need non 1.6mm pcb for that shit
2016-01-13T04:03:34 < dongs> put paste holes over every pad and youre done
2016-01-13T04:03:37 < ds2> the notes on the datasheet says otherwise; I can try paste in pad
2016-01-13T04:03:48 < ds2> was thinking along those lines anyways
2016-01-13T04:04:44 < ds2> was going to use a HiRose part but they don't have a link for a drawing
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2016-01-13T04:05:04 < ds2> this was SUPPOSE to be a 2hour test an idea project...2 days so far :(
2016-01-13T04:10:07 < dongs> i gotta pro up some minipcie connector footprint today
2016-01-13T04:10:21 < ds2> in what sw?
2016-01-13T04:10:26 < dongs> altium of course
2016-01-13T04:10:42 < dongs> should be a 2 minuite job
2016-01-13T04:10:45 < ds2> the free one? ;)
2016-01-13T04:11:08 < dongs> ds2, theres no reason why i cant afford altium
2016-01-13T04:11:54 < dongs> i dont design opensores hardware
2016-01-13T04:11:54 < dongs> so
2016-01-13T04:13:01 < dongs> losers
2016-01-13T04:13:34 < ds2> so you can be more sharing of course!
2016-01-13T04:14:10 < dongs> sharing? more like giving china license to print money for you
2016-01-13T04:15:13 < dongs> USA doesnt print shit
2016-01-13T04:15:16 < dongs> all inovators left usa long time ago
2016-01-13T04:15:26 < dongs> usa is just running shady kickstaters now
2016-01-13T04:17:51 < dongs> if you go on vacation to israel you wont be using dollars
2016-01-13T04:18:34 < dongs> and  your bank will charge y ou currency conversion fee for every CC transaction
2016-01-13T04:18:58 < dongs> when you buy hot jewish hookers wiht your card
2016-01-13T04:19:11 < ds2> why does mouser search blow so much
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2016-01-13T04:23:23 < dongs> ds2: because nobody should be using mouser shit
2016-01-13T04:25:10 < kakimir> I use nothing but mouser
2016-01-13T04:27:20 < dongs> that cuz youre in some 3rd world country
2016-01-13T04:27:22 < dongs> wehre digikey doesnt ship to
2016-01-13T04:27:51 < ds2> mouser has stuff digikey doesn't
2016-01-13T04:30:50 < dongs> yes, and its garbage
2016-01-13T04:30:56 < dongs> think 1/1000th of digikey usa stock
2016-01-13T04:30:57 < dongs> and shit prices
2016-01-13T04:31:04 < dongs> but they will deliver next day if something is in stock
2016-01-13T04:31:23 < dongs> soo when I fuckup and need a reel of resistors asap, i may use them
2016-01-13T04:31:28 < dongs> also they broke their paypal interface 2 years ago
2016-01-13T04:31:35 < dongs> and its currently "being fixed"
2016-01-13T04:31:37 < dongs> for 2 years
2016-01-13T04:31:56 < dongs> coos is freeshit yes but not GPL
2016-01-13T04:32:03 < dongs> about same
2016-01-13T04:32:17 < dongs> rtx is more pro
2016-01-13T04:32:24 < dongs> no
2016-01-13T04:32:29 < dongs> just add files and use
2016-01-13T04:32:45 < dongs> nope, it works anywhere. its just CMSIS shit
2016-01-13T04:32:57 < dongs> there's a header with al lteh settings and shit, same as coos really.
2016-01-13T04:33:16 < dongs> unlike GPL shit, which onyl works wiht gcc
2016-01-13T04:33:39 < dongs> lol no
2016-01-13T04:33:40 < dongs> wat
2016-01-13T04:33:47 < dongs> if you want lunix based look no further than NuttX
2016-01-13T04:34:25 < dongs> nah its just simple task stuff, queues, mutexes, etc
2016-01-13T04:34:44 < dongs> manage tasks/threads, pass messages between them, syncrhonization stuff etc.
2016-01-13T04:34:54 < Laurenceb_> lulwut obama
2016-01-13T04:35:06 < Laurenceb_> he seems to have joined the libertarian party
2016-01-13T04:35:07 < dongs> coos is just one click, rtx you gotta give keil some fake info
2016-01-13T04:35:16 < Laurenceb_> also hes going to cure cancer
2016-01-13T04:35:25 < Laurenceb_>  self trolld
2016-01-13T04:35:26 < dongs> http://www.keil.com/pr/article/1253.htm > keil
2016-01-13T04:35:36 < dongs> http://www1.coocox.org/CoOS.htm > coos
2016-01-13T04:36:07 < dongs> lol looks like cococks wants you to register to donwload now too
2016-01-13T04:36:12 < dongs> so same amount of work as keil
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2016-01-13T04:37:31 < dongs> why would it matter
2016-01-13T04:37:34 < dongs> and yes
2016-01-13T04:37:43 < kakimir> dongs: it has been so for at least 2 years
2016-01-13T04:37:49 < dongs> kakimir: wat is
2016-01-13T04:37:54 < Laurenceb_> so use chibios??
2016-01-13T04:37:59 < dongs> lol chibios
2016-01-13T04:38:02 < dongs> fucking opensores faggotwarea
2016-01-13T04:38:18 < dongs> coos/rtx = add ~5 source files, build, done
2016-01-13T04:38:28 < dongs> chibicocks = add 2000 source files, makefiles, failure
2016-01-13T04:39:19 < kakimir> dongs: spam register
2016-01-13T04:39:23 < dongs> ah
2016-01-13T04:39:24 < dongs> donno
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2016-01-13T04:47:18 < dongs> k time to go through like 5 different mini pcie socket vendors and see if foontprint is same
2016-01-13T04:47:22 < dongs> fml
2016-01-13T04:48:24 < PeterM> if they have 3d models freely available, jsut stack em on top of each other
2016-01-13T04:48:30 < PeterM> super quick
2016-01-13T04:48:40 < dongs> hah yeah, but i might as well download datasheets anyway
2016-01-13T04:48:48 < PeterM> tru dat
2016-01-13T04:49:58 < upgrdman> R2COM (or other DSP pros) : if the noise floor of an FFT is shaped, where do you define the noise floor? at the lowest point? the highest point?
2016-01-13T04:50:12 < kakimir> how to launch shiet in windows crappy crappy command line with relative path?
2016-01-13T04:50:16 < upgrdman> shaped as in delta-sigam rising noise at higher freqs
2016-01-13T04:50:25 < dongs> kakimir: ?
2016-01-13T04:50:27 < dongs> ..\cocks.exe?
2016-01-13T04:50:42 < dongs> or  d:\cocks\fail.exe?
2016-01-13T04:51:07 < kakimir> I want to go upwards in tree
2016-01-13T04:51:10 < kakimir> not down
2016-01-13T04:51:17 < dongs> so cocks\dongs\lol.exe
2016-01-13T04:51:22 < dongs> or in your case i bet its
2016-01-13T04:51:26 < dongs> gnu\bin\lol.exe
2016-01-13T04:51:38 < kakimir> it says there is no internal external command cocks
2016-01-13T04:51:44 < dongs> bullshit
2016-01-13T04:51:46 < dongs> youre od ing it wrong
2016-01-13T04:52:10 < kakimir> okay I have this subdir
2016-01-13T04:52:15 < kakimir> bin-x64
2016-01-13T04:52:25 < kakimir> it has openocd.exe
2016-01-13T04:52:29 < dongs> so just bin-x64\openocd.exe
2016-01-13T04:53:17 < kakimir> 'bin-x64' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
2016-01-13T04:53:19 < dongs> if youre already ON windows why the fuck would you use openocd
2016-01-13T04:53:37 < dongs> is the shit in some dir wiht spaces in them
2016-01-13T04:53:38 < upgrdman> dongs, such fucking lol     http://imgur.com/a/Xm12d
2016-01-13T04:53:53 < kakimir> dongs: no
2016-01-13T04:54:05 < kakimir> underlines most
2016-01-13T04:54:13 < kakimir> wait
2016-01-13T04:54:14 < dongs> upgrdman: christ what the fuck are those fans
2016-01-13T04:54:18 < kakimir> no underlines even
2016-01-13T04:54:19 < kakimir> just lines
2016-01-13T04:54:30 < kakimir> and points
2016-01-13T04:54:31 < upgrdman> dongs, looks like gayer LED 120mm fans
2016-01-13T04:54:45 < upgrdman> for his super gay liq cooled system
2016-01-13T04:54:49 < dongs> kakimir: works 4 me
2016-01-13T04:54:49 < dongs> D:\programs>bin\tar
2016-01-13T04:54:49 < dongs> bin\tar: You must specify one of the `-Acdtrux' options
2016-01-13T04:54:49 < dongs> Try `bin\tar --help' for more information.
2016-01-13T04:55:28 < Simon--> lol backslash
2016-01-13T04:56:21 < kakimir> thanks Simon--
2016-01-13T04:56:52 < kakimir> now this madness makes some sense
2016-01-13T04:56:58 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN74bOubUug why teh fuckdoes this have 3 million views
2016-01-13T04:57:22 < kakimir> also installing gnu basic tools for windows is great deal
2016-01-13T04:57:31 < kakimir> wont call ls every time for nothing
2016-01-13T04:58:28 < upgrdman> :)
2016-01-13T04:58:54 < dongs> should i upgrade my irc desktop with kikelake
2016-01-13T04:59:03 < dongs> or should I wait for fpgalake
2016-01-13T05:00:47 < upgrdman> skylake has that awesome floating point bug
2016-01-13T05:02:53 < kakimir> what is your terminal program dongs?
2016-01-13T05:04:50 < kakimir> are you cmd.exe peasant?
2016-01-13T05:05:56 < Laurenceb_> lulwut dongs
2016-01-13T05:06:03 < Laurenceb_> chibios is easy to configure
2016-01-13T05:06:16 < Laurenceb_> you only need to edit the stuff thats relevant to your project
2016-01-13T05:07:48 < dongs> kakimir: of course cmd.exe
2016-01-13T05:12:29 < PeterM> >sif not PowerSHell.exe
2016-01-13T05:13:10 < kakimir> tried it
2016-01-13T05:13:13 < kakimir> totally shit
2016-01-13T05:13:28 < dongs> looks liek china found common clone
2016-01-13T05:13:33 < kakimir> I was about to mock cmd.exe but it does it job
2016-01-13T05:13:34 < dongs> 4mm high, all same footprint
2016-01-13T05:14:55 < PeterM> cmd.exe is sufficient for most things but ps has some extras that are useful i newer windows versions
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2016-01-13T05:15:31 < dongs> will PCI-SIG-HEIL sue me if I use minipcie for totally unrelated purpose
2016-01-13T05:15:51 < PeterM> provided you dont put the pcie logo on it your fine
2016-01-13T05:16:19 < dongs> good idea
2016-01-13T05:16:20 < dongs> yeah i wont
2016-01-13T05:17:39 < dongs> heh all molex pcie connectors are obsolete
2016-01-13T05:17:39 < kakimir> changed to cmder.exe
2016-01-13T05:17:57 < kakimir> feels so nice
2016-01-13T05:17:59 < PeterM> charmander.exe bro?
2016-01-13T05:18:11 < kakimir> like running lunix
2016-01-13T05:18:38 < dongs> huh where hte fuck are 3d models onmolex site
2016-01-13T05:18:58 < dongs> hm i wonder if docs are not available cuz its obsolete
2016-01-13T05:18:59 < dongs> wtf
2016-01-13T05:20:24 < kakimir> http://cmder.net/
2016-01-13T05:20:26 < kakimir> there
2016-01-13T05:22:38 < kakimir> why it has that half life logo?
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2016-01-13T05:25:43 < PeterM> bakakimir thats a lambda synbly you fuck
2016-01-13T05:25:50 < PeterM> symbol
2016-01-13T05:28:45 < kakimir> fuking windows wond let me add program to menu
2016-01-13T05:28:56 < kakimir> it wants to make little tile starter for it
2016-01-13T05:29:04 < kakimir> instead of programs meny
2016-01-13T05:30:01 < kakimir> this is their metro conspiracy
2016-01-13T05:30:24 < kakimir> users are to be left out of programs menu
2016-01-13T05:30:32 < kakimir> and soom programs too
2016-01-13T05:31:01 < kakimir> faggotry is real
2016-01-13T05:41:05 < kakimir> no wait.. I thought there was workaround in first google search result but it's not coming up
2016-01-13T05:41:16 < dongs> > portable
2016-01-13T05:41:18 < kakimir> this might be real
2016-01-13T05:41:18 < dongs> > for windows
2016-01-13T05:41:21 < dongs> waht hte fuck does it do
2016-01-13T05:41:36 < dongs> Cmder is a software package created out of pure frustration over the absence of nice console emulators on Windows. It is based on amazing software, and spiced up with the Monokai color scheme and a custom prompt layout. Looking sexy from the start.
2016-01-13T05:41:42 < dongs> what is this fucking garnage
2016-01-13T05:41:43 < dongs> garbage
2016-01-13T05:42:37 < kakimir> you are wrong
2016-01-13T05:42:49 < kakimir> windows is shit
2016-01-13T05:45:58 < kakimir> did you know that configuring and pinning up some launchers to this metro shit is called "hacking & customization"
2016-01-13T05:46:16 < kakimir> in articles in google search results that are useless
2016-01-13T05:51:37 < kakimir> say like you mean it
2016-01-13T05:53:13 < dongs> kakimiretard what are you even talking about
2016-01-13T05:53:21 < dongs> pinning to start or taskbar is like a 2 click operation
2016-01-13T05:53:26 < dongs> right c lick something -> pin to whatever
2016-01-13T05:53:56 < dongs> HOW DOYOU PIN AN APP TO LUNIX START MENU
2016-01-13T05:54:03 < dongs> SO IT SHOWS UP IN ALL THE 102342u9783428374 DESKTOP MANAGER THATS LUNIX HAS?????
2016-01-13T05:54:12 < dongs> OH RIGHT, YOU GOTTA FIRE UP UR FAVORITE LUNIX SHELL AND TYPE IT IN LOL!!!!!
2016-01-13T05:55:40 < kakimir> every single search results tell how to pin shit when I need to add stuff in programs menu
2016-01-13T05:56:16 < dongs> kakimir: what programs menu?
2016-01-13T05:56:19 < dongs> what hte fuck are you talking about
2016-01-13T05:56:35 < dongs> why would anyone want to have any "menus" in 2016 when you can just press start button -> click on a tile
2016-01-13T05:56:42 < dongs> or just click on shit pinned to taskbar
2016-01-13T05:56:43 < dongs> god damn
2016-01-13T05:56:49 < dongs> lunix faggots, trying to find solutions to non-problems
2016-01-13T05:59:58 < kakimir> tile are gay
2016-01-13T06:00:05 < kakimir> +s
2016-01-13T06:00:34 < kakimir> why would I have one or two tiles for portable apps
2016-01-13T06:00:43 < dongs> portawhatapps
2016-01-13T06:00:48 < dongs> kakimir: are you fucking dumb?
2016-01-13T06:00:56 < dongs> 1) start app
2016-01-13T06:01:06 < dongs> 2) right click the fuicking icon in taskbar, choose pin to start or pin to taskbar
2016-01-13T06:01:10 < dongs> where is the fucking problem?
2016-01-13T06:01:12 < dongs> DONE
2016-01-13T06:02:24 < kakimir> because I write cmd
2016-01-13T06:02:55 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2016-01-13T06:03:55 < dongs> meanwhile ill enjoy my windows desktop
2016-01-13T06:04:27 < kakimir> I write cmd and pinned app actually hides
2016-01-13T06:05:20 < kakimir> why would you click stuff
2016-01-13T06:05:43 < kakimir> my grandma clicks stuff
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2016-01-13T06:07:32 < kakimir> if you open cmd
2016-01-13T06:08:01 < kakimir> it's faster to write
2016-01-13T06:08:09 < kakimir> and easier
2016-01-13T06:08:31 < kakimir> because you are about to enter command you fag
2016-01-13T06:10:15 < kakimir> I'm not always working with mouse
2016-01-13T06:10:27 < kakimir> ie. now
2016-01-13T06:11:25 < PeterM> kakimir, in which case can't you jsut winkey and then u/d/l/r enter?
2016-01-13T06:12:27 < kakimir> when my fingers have not left from keyboard
2016-01-13T06:12:36 < kakimir> which is faster
2016-01-13T06:14:02 < kakimir> do you have fingers in your anus man... arrow keys are under the palm of hand
2016-01-13T06:14:07 < PeterM> kak if oyu are jsut running a ciomply command, then can't you winkey+r and type it directly in there?
2016-01-13T06:14:28 < kakimir> but cmd is right under your fingertips
2016-01-13T06:14:35 < PeterM> ciomply = simple
2016-01-13T06:15:56 < kakimir> lunix desktop is shittier
2016-01-13T06:16:21 < kakimir> but this one could be way better and that makes me mad
2016-01-13T06:17:15 < kakimir> in lunix desktop you avoid launching apps as menus are so shitty
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2016-01-13T06:20:33 < kakimir> lunix desktop developers are famous for not ever using their desktops but just keep coding them more and more
2016-01-13T06:23:43 < dongs> mini pcie footprint made
2016-01-13T06:23:58 < dongs> didnt take long, and paste array is pretty handy
2016-01-13T06:24:04 < dongs> to autonumber all the pins
2016-01-13T06:25:01 < kakimir> what is your next sensational product?
2016-01-13T06:26:37 < dongs> https://github.com/jairov4/mini-pcie-card-template
2016-01-13T06:26:38 < dongs> sweet
2016-01-13T06:26:41 < dongs> opening the sores
2016-01-13T06:34:14 < upgrdman> dongs, what dick thickness does mini pcie use? 1.6mm
2016-01-13T06:34:17 < upgrdman> ?
2016-01-13T06:39:03 < upgrdman> wtf is going on here   https://youtu.be/XnPh3GGykaI?t=53
2016-01-13T06:44:25 < dongs> R2COM: yes
2016-01-13T06:44:27 < dongs> upgrdman: 1mm
2016-01-13T06:44:39 < upgrdman> ohhh 1mm. such thin.
2016-01-13T06:44:47 < dongs> R2COM: theres no 24" 5k onyl 27
2016-01-13T06:45:48 < upgrdman> 24" 5k might be a bit small
2016-01-13T06:46:06 < upgrdman> 27-30" sounds about right for 5k
2016-01-13T06:47:06 < dongs> actually i duno if its rotatable oi only have 2415 in my other office
2016-01-13T06:47:12 < dongs> but i would hope it is
2016-01-13T06:47:26 < dongs> if it uses same stand as 2414
2016-01-13T06:48:00 < upgrdman> R2COM, you faggot. looks on dell site. they even show the p2415q in portrait mode.
2016-01-13T06:48:32 < upgrdman> http://www.dell.com/content/products/superview.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&pageoverride=gallery_view1&s=dhs&xdb=Z2xvYmFsOnByb2R1Y3RzOm1vbml0b3JzOnN1cGVydmlldzpkZWxsLXAyNDE1cS1tb25pdG9yI3JlZ2lvbg==
2016-01-13T06:48:42 < dongs> lewl
2016-01-13T06:48:45 < dongs> lazy  faggot
2016-01-13T06:48:57 < dongs> ya its same stand as 2414 then
2016-01-13T06:50:41 < upgrdman> finally upgrading from 2.4.x kernel?
2016-01-13T06:50:59 < upgrdman> uname -r
2016-01-13T06:51:01 < dongs> take a snapshot first
2016-01-13T06:51:09 < dongs> thejn you can rollback if  they fuck up
2016-01-13T06:51:48 < dongs> yeah, in wahtever vm software youre using
2016-01-13T06:51:49 < upgrdman> is your lunix in a vm
2016-01-13T06:51:54 < dongs> for sure youre not running lunix on real hardware right LOL
2016-01-13T06:52:05 < dongs> yeah so just snapshot before upgrade
2016-01-13T06:52:09 < dongs> snapshot will be like 10megs
2016-01-13T06:52:12 < dongs> instead of 200gigs
2016-01-13T06:52:36 < dongs> and if it works, you can delete the snapshot so it doesnt take up any space after
2016-01-13T06:52:52 < dongs> at least thats what you can do in vmware, I hope virtualfags has somethign similar
2016-01-13T06:52:52 < upgrdman> ^ this so much
2016-01-13T06:53:04 < upgrdman> vms + snapshits = amazeballs
2016-01-13T06:53:26 < dongs> if i wasnt lazy i would just run esx on my desktop, pass through video card and done
2016-01-13T06:53:42 < dongs> then I would never have to worry about installing shit software and stuff
2016-01-13T06:53:44 < upgrdman> no. they hang out in ##arudino
2016-01-13T06:55:02 < dongs> R2COM: http://bfy.tw/3hTj
2016-01-13T06:55:16 < upgrdman> R2COM, vmware player is iirc
2016-01-13T06:56:13 < dongs> virtualbox can create snapshots you silly fuck
2016-01-13T06:56:24 < dongs> you dont need to pirate vmwaere for it
2016-01-13T06:57:24 < upgrdman> cremeshot
2016-01-13T07:04:17 < dongs> hm not getting much done
2016-01-13T07:04:17 < dongs> ugh
2016-01-13T07:04:35 < dongs> todays accomplishment: drew minipcie connector footprint, copied pcb edge part from opensores.
2016-01-13T07:04:39 < dongs> not a lot.
2016-01-13T07:04:54 < upgrdman> what do metric faggots use to quantify pressure? pascals?
2016-01-13T07:19:09 < dongs> true but im not doing much else
2016-01-13T07:19:19 < dongs> maybe will make a board outline to fit the connector and try playing with pinout
2016-01-13T07:26:09 < dongs> R2PRO how many powerball ticketrs did you buy
2016-01-13T07:29:53 < Simon--> https://i.imgur.com/GgNlSTe.png
2016-01-13T07:30:04 < dongs> lol
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2016-01-13T07:31:56 < dongs> another briht one
2016-01-13T07:31:57 < dongs> ria> so if you have a 1 in 292 million chance of winning
2016-01-13T07:31:57 < dongs> ria> why doesn't some megamillionaire buy 292 million tickets
2016-01-13T07:32:09 < dongs> ria> jackpot is 1.5b so it is guaranteed profit
2016-01-13T07:32:10 < dongs> lol.
2016-01-13T07:34:17 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvE84AGMWpE
2016-01-13T07:34:31 < dongs> seen
2016-01-13T07:34:37 < PeterM> jsut retweetin
2016-01-13T07:34:47 < dongs> R2COM: just think bout it, if you win, you could BUY arduino/kikecad/etc and shut them down
2016-01-13T07:35:06 < dongs> i would so fucking do that
2016-01-13T07:35:12 < dongs> give that main kikecad guy a million
2016-01-13T07:35:18 < dongs> tell him to stop coding that garbage
2016-01-13T07:35:19 < dongs> done.
2016-01-13T07:35:35 < PeterM> easier to give hitman money
2016-01-13T07:35:48 < dongs> i duno, i think lunix toreballs sold out long time ago
2016-01-13T07:35:54 < dongs> so he might not be interested in money
2016-01-13T07:35:58 < dongs> hes just doing it for the lulz
2016-01-13T07:36:53 < dongs> lol
2016-01-13T07:37:53 < Rob235> wut wut
2016-01-13T07:38:58 < dongs> in teh butt
2016-01-13T07:39:07 < Rob235> i was hoping someone would say that
2016-01-13T07:39:15 < dongs> i do not disappoint
2016-01-13T07:39:40 < dongs> why dont you bury shit that matters
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2016-01-13T07:39:44 < dongs> like aspieberrypi
2016-01-13T07:39:48 < dongs> or some other awful opensores shit
2016-01-13T07:39:54 < dongs> altium is a fine commercial software
2016-01-13T07:40:12 < dongs> shutting down aspiepi would be fucking great
2016-01-13T07:40:17 < dongs> al ltehse retards using them as $25 "media centers"
2016-01-13T07:40:18 < dongs> wiht "kodi"
2016-01-13T07:40:20 < dongs> fffffffffffffffff
2016-01-13T07:40:24 < dongs> i get raged jsut thinking about it
2016-01-13T07:40:31 < dongs> playing shitty fuckign 480p dvdrips
2016-01-13T07:40:32 < dongs> in 2016
2016-01-13T07:42:16 < dongs> 50k? some opensores losers will dickstart that a ina week
2016-01-13T07:42:16 < jpa-> karlp: didn't measure it.. depends a lot on system i think, as with addr2line most of the load was starting processes and stopping them
2016-01-13T07:47:50 < dongs> lol no
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2016-01-13T07:55:23 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/ktMZr6z.jpg
2016-01-13T07:58:03 < Rob235> drag the window
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2016-01-13T08:14:32 < ReadError> DICKBUTTED
2016-01-13T08:14:36 < ReadError> thats amazing
2016-01-13T08:14:51 < dongs> ReadError: do you have a copy of soliddongs inspection somewehre for 2014/x86
2016-01-13T08:15:08 < dongs> its liek 100megs but its ancient as fuck so its nowehre
2016-01-13T08:15:13 < ReadError> never had 2014
2016-01-13T08:15:21 < ReadError> went from 2012 to 2015
2016-01-13T08:15:24 < dongs> ah fail
2016-01-13T08:15:24 < PaulFertser> karlp: so it's still not merged? So CH340/341 can't be used for stm32 bootloader? That's too bad...
2016-01-13T08:15:25 < dongs> k
2016-01-13T08:15:29 < dongs> and 2015 is x64 only
2016-01-13T08:15:39 < dongs> PaulFertser: why not lol
2016-01-13T08:15:54 < dongs> something fucky about its usb>serial conversion?
2016-01-13T08:16:02 < PaulFertser> dongs: even parity not supported by driver and karlp's changes to support it not merged.
2016-01-13T08:16:08 < dongs> oh haha
2016-01-13T08:19:00 < PaulFertser> karlp: damn, if I knew about that I'd do it months before.
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2016-01-13T08:33:36 < upgrdman> can not unsee  http://i.imgur.com/XGQbZlP.gif
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2016-01-13T08:38:09 < upgrdman> nice ad placement  http://imgur.com/yzMpTTY
2016-01-13T08:41:15 < ReadError> Autism.in.Love.2015.720p.HDTV.x264-W4F  ^.-
2016-01-13T08:42:31 < upgrdman> neat looking microphone  http://i.imgur.com/iJnmNqXh.jpg
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2016-01-13T08:43:38 < ReadError> I thought the black ones were bigger
2016-01-13T08:43:40 < dongs> thats a dildo
2016-01-13T08:44:02 < upgrdman> gee i has no idea
2016-01-13T08:44:27 < dongs> http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB10BRzJpXXXXaRXVXXq6xXFXXXU/Japanese-Multi-Function-Rechargeable-AV-Vibe-Black-Wand-Massager-G-spot-AV-Vibrator-Vibrating-Stick-women.jpg
2016-01-13T08:44:57 < upgrdman> dongs, i know it a fucking vib. super obvious.
2016-01-13T08:45:01 < dongs> sorry.
2016-01-13T08:45:04 < dongs> thought you were srs
2016-01-13T08:45:07 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-13T08:46:16 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw1SnV1GmmQ wat teh fuck
2016-01-13T08:49:11 < ReadError> cool CUSTOM BIOS SCREEN
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2016-01-13T09:01:06 < Rob235> so I'm going to have 60 header pins to plug my components into on this pcb.. gotta figure out how I want to place them
2016-01-13T09:01:37 < upgrdman> orthoganally, just to piss yourself off
2016-01-13T09:01:46 < Rob235> :)
2016-01-13T09:01:52 < dongs> be a true pro and use pcb edges
2016-01-13T09:02:03 < Rob235> I dont know what that is
2016-01-13T09:02:05 < upgrdman> like, like ISA card edge
2016-01-13T09:02:11 < dongs> http://aeroquad.com/wiki_asset.php?pid=2057&x=800
2016-01-13T09:02:13 < dongs> like these retards
2016-01-13T09:02:20 < upgrdman> i actually found a bag of like 20 ISA card sockets at work.
2016-01-13T09:02:34 < dongs> 8 bit or 16bit?
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2016-01-13T09:02:46 < ReadError> http://www.quantec-networks.de/shop/media/image/thumbnail/quanton_bare_pcb520e6b8f4988c_285x255.jpg
2016-01-13T09:02:50 < upgrdman> dongs, 8
2016-01-13T09:03:01 < dongs> much holes
2016-01-13T09:03:09 < Rob235> I'm going to have 3x20 header pins
2016-01-13T09:03:29 < Rob235> that will fit along the short edge
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2016-01-13T09:04:01 < dongs> < was not actaully serious
2016-01-13T09:04:06 < dongs> its the most retarded way to have those pins there
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2016-01-13T09:05:19 < Rob235> whats wrong with 3x20?
2016-01-13T09:05:32 < Rob235> hard to match up?
2016-01-13T09:05:52 < dongs> no, mounting them on the edge of pcb
2016-01-13T09:05:53 < dongs> like that.
2016-01-13T09:06:04 < Rob235> whats wrong with it?
2016-01-13T09:06:14 < dongs> nothign at all.
2016-01-13T09:06:15 < dongs> go one.
2016-01-13T09:06:18 < dongs> go on. do it.
2016-01-13T09:06:30 < Rob235> why can't you just give a reason
2016-01-13T09:06:50 < upgrdman> seems like an annoying way to do it
2016-01-13T09:06:51 < upgrdman> like
2016-01-13T09:06:57 < upgrdman> "i need to probe pin x"
2016-01-13T09:07:02 < upgrdman> good fucking luck finding it easily
2016-01-13T09:07:18 < ReadError> if you have so much pcb space
2016-01-13T09:07:22 < ReadError> break things up
2016-01-13T09:07:28 < upgrdman> china pcb's are cheap
2016-01-13T09:07:33 < ReadError> do a 3x4
2016-01-13T09:07:34 < Rob235> makes sense
2016-01-13T09:07:41 < ReadError> for 3x uart
2016-01-13T09:08:10 < ReadError> then a 3x8 for pwm outs
2016-01-13T09:08:38 < Rob235> yea thats how I have it set up when I was spacing it out, a space between sets
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2016-01-13T09:46:36 < dongs> argh 2 fucking pins short from using one end of minipcie for all signals
2016-01-13T09:46:39 < dongs> have to split it
2016-01-13T09:46:45 < dongs> rage
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2016-01-13T10:12:41 < zyp> sup?
2016-01-13T10:24:23 < dongs> not much
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2016-01-13T10:24:27 < dongs> your shit sent i think
2016-01-13T10:25:33 < zyp> cool
2016-01-13T10:25:49 < dongs> there was a minimum vcut length for array so i think it ended up being 3x1 usb array
2016-01-13T10:25:57 < zyp> haha, okay
2016-01-13T10:26:03 < dongs> waiting for merge stoner to wake up and send me shit
2016-01-13T10:26:09 < dongs> then i'll know for sure
2016-01-13T10:26:57 < zyp> how long before shit's done and assembled do you think?
2016-01-13T10:27:20 < dongs> lawl, i dnno, i mean, i havent got the parts quoted yet. pcbs probably be done this week?
2016-01-13T10:27:28 < dongs> i got a million other things in pcb queue, ill quote parts tomrorow i guess
2016-01-13T10:27:38 < dongs> so they can arrive next week early, and pcbs around same time or ealrier.
2016-01-13T10:27:53 < dongs> pcb queue = pcba queue
2016-01-13T10:28:09 < zyp> this other guy said he'd like to have his shit within 4-5 weeks, i.e. including shipping
2016-01-13T10:28:16 < dongs> o h .
2016-01-13T10:28:36 < dongs> ill bill him extra for quicker service then.
2016-01-13T10:28:40 < zyp> not super important, just wondering if it's likely or not
2016-01-13T10:28:53 < zyp> haha, I'm not sure it's that important
2016-01-13T10:28:54 < ReadError> why cant ST release excel files for each MCU ;(
2016-01-13T10:29:06 < dongs> excelwaht
2016-01-13T10:29:34 < ReadError> like showing each pin and AF etc, pain in the dick to make this each time
2016-01-13T10:36:58 < dongs> < russm> wow.. just instantiating a ruby interpreter is enough to bump thermal_zone0 by almost a full degree...
2016-01-13T10:37:01 < dongs> < KawaiiChibiUsagi> snort
2016-01-13T10:37:04 < dongs> lol
2016-01-13T10:38:37 < jpa-> ReadError: wasn't there something one can dick from cube?
2016-01-13T10:38:44 < jpa-> or explorer or whatever
2016-01-13T10:39:18 < ReadError> like export excel sheets?
2016-01-13T10:40:19 < jpa-> nah, some xml i think
2016-01-13T10:41:05 < ReadError> oh
2016-01-13T10:41:10 < ReadError> it allows CSV export
2016-01-13T10:41:10 < tkoskine> I have C:\Program Files\STMicroelectronics\STM32Cube\STM32CubeMX\db\mcu directory full of xml files.
2016-01-13T10:41:20 < ReadError> but only after its mapped
2016-01-13T10:42:19 < PeterM> what tkoskine said
2016-01-13T10:43:01 < tkoskine> xml files have sections like <Pin Name="PB9" Position="A3" Type="I/O"><Signal Name="CAN_TX"/><Signal Name="DAC_EXTI9"/><Signal Name="I2C1_SDA"/><Signal Name="I2S2_WS"/><Signal Name="IR_OUT"/><Signal Name="SPI2_NSS"/><Signal Name="TIM17_CH1"/><Signal IOModes="Input,Output,Analog,EVENTOUT,EXTI" Name="GPIO"/></Pin>
2016-01-13T10:43:28 < dongs>  < MadHacker> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-M says that the bulk of the ARM instruction set is present in 32-bit
2016-01-13T10:43:32 < dongs>                    mode on the M3/M4/M7
2016-01-13T10:43:34 < dongs> wat
2016-01-13T10:44:40 < jpa-> dongs: true; but what does that really matter when missing just a few instructions makes it useless to try to execute non-cortex code on cortex
2016-01-13T10:45:05 < jpa-> not sure why one would want to anyway
2016-01-13T10:45:26 < zyp> you're not making sense
2016-01-13T10:45:47 < zyp> I'm pretty sure it refers to 32-bit thumb2 instruction
2016-01-13T10:45:47 < dongs> they're talking about cortex Mx is not thumb2
2016-01-13T10:45:49 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-13T10:46:08 < jpa-> huh?
2016-01-13T10:47:14 < zyp> most of the ARM instruction set is present in thumb+thumb2, but that refers to the instructions themselves, not the 32-bit arm encoding
2016-01-13T10:48:28 < zyp> in other words, they are present with a different encoding, so it's not binary compatible either way
2016-01-13T10:48:29 < jpa-> but bigger ARMs run thumb2 also, right?
2016-01-13T10:48:37 < dongs> nope?
2016-01-13T10:48:37 < zyp> sure
2016-01-13T10:48:40 < dongs> do they?
2016-01-13T10:48:44 < dongs> like Ax or whatever?
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2016-01-13T10:48:57 < zyp> yes, that's why there is a mode switch mechanism in the first place
2016-01-13T10:49:02 < zyp> it's so both can coexist
2016-01-13T10:49:28 < jpa-> so theoretically one could expect thumb2 code compiled for A7 to run on M3, but i think that is not actually going to happen
2016-01-13T10:49:38 < zyp> the original point of thumb was to reduce code size for common code
2016-01-13T10:49:45 < jpa-> but i'm now totally lost on what the dong's original quote was about
2016-01-13T10:49:57 < dongs> jpa-: misguided dickheads talkin about opensauce
2016-01-13T10:50:15 < dongs> with a nick like madhacker what do you expect
2016-01-13T10:50:22 < jpa-> mad hacking
2016-01-13T10:51:00 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/tE2lN7v.gifv LOL
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2016-01-13T11:00:22 < dongs> zyp, usb ended up arrayed 2x2 as i originally thought
2016-01-13T11:00:28 < zyp> okay
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2016-01-13T11:44:31 < dongs> Please join us for a special IEEE PES Power Africa Conference dedicated to electrification. It will take place in Livingstone, Zambia from June 28 - July 2, 2016, and is the first Power Africa conference being held outside of South Africa.
2016-01-13T11:44:41 < dongs> is that where they teach how to steal copper
2016-01-13T11:45:24 < PeterM> nah, how to steal transformer oil
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2016-01-13T12:08:49 < karlp> ds2: what's the physical setup where you use that micro usb plug vertical board mount?
2016-01-13T12:09:17 < karlp> is this two boxes that phsyically "click" together or something? so the plug goes directly into the socket on the other device without any cabling or something?
2016-01-13T12:10:07 < PeterM> maybe its a dock for a phone or something?
2016-01-13T12:17:28 < dongs> ifaggot
2016-01-13T12:17:36 < dongs> yeah dock seems liek a good use for it
2016-01-13T12:18:41 < ReadError> I hope they arent removing the headphone connector ;(
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2016-01-13T12:18:52 < dongs> who, crapple?
2016-01-13T12:18:55 < ReadError> ya
2016-01-13T12:18:55 < dongs> why do you even buy their trash
2016-01-13T12:19:06 < ReadError> because it works most excellent
2016-01-13T12:19:07 < dongs> who cares what they remove if nobody uses it
2016-01-13T12:19:11 < dongs> lol, you fucking wihs
2016-01-13T12:19:17 < ReadError> do you have an iphone?
2016-01-13T12:19:25 < dongs> no, i am not a faggot
2016-01-13T12:19:27 < ReadError> its the windows of the phone market
2016-01-13T12:19:35 < ReadError> you are basically a lunixphoneuser
2016-01-13T12:19:44 < ReadError> iphone, stable, everything works
2016-01-13T12:19:44 < dongs> incorrect
2016-01-13T12:20:06 < ReadError> they didnt even add a reboot button because its not needed
2016-01-13T12:20:38 < PeterM> ReadError, is there a way to tell time since boot on iphone (jsut want to pissing contest)
2016-01-13T12:21:47 < jpa-> "there's an app for that" says google
2016-01-13T12:21:49 < zyp> sure, just turn it off, then note the time when you turn it on again
2016-01-13T12:22:20 < ReadError> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/system-status-lite-battery/id407752428?mt=8
2016-01-13T12:22:26 < ReadError> this should work
2016-01-13T12:22:31 < dongs> waht
2016-01-13T12:22:33 < dongs> you need soem faggot app
2016-01-13T12:22:37 < dongs> to show how long its been on?
2016-01-13T12:22:45 < PeterM> no, i mean tell mew the time since you last booted your phone, since its stable and all surely it should be mroe  than an android right?
2016-01-13T12:22:49 < dongs> my shitphone has 20-something days uptime
2016-01-13T12:22:50 < dongs> last i looked
2016-01-13T12:23:21 < dongs> Uptime: 578:03:10
2016-01-13T12:23:31 < dongs> yeah 24 days
2016-01-13T12:23:31 < dongs> kl
2016-01-13T12:23:31 < jpa-> wouldn't that depend totally on use anyway?
2016-01-13T12:23:32 < dongs> k
2016-01-13T12:23:42 < dongs> jpa-: what use of a phoen involves turning it off?
2016-01-13T12:23:49 < jpa-> for example, whether you turn it off on airplane or just enable airplane mode
2016-01-13T12:24:04 < dongs> who the fuck turns it off on airplanes?
2016-01-13T12:24:07 < jpa-> me
2016-01-13T12:24:16 < zyp> why?
2016-01-13T12:24:25 < dongs> it hasnt even been a requirement on any modern airline
2016-01-13T12:24:32 < dongs> for several years now
2016-01-13T12:24:33 < jpa-> don't need it anyway, so why not
2016-01-13T12:24:35 < ReadMobl> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/CXqZlpLK/IMG_1381.PNG
2016-01-13T12:25:04 < jpa-> though android's long boot times make it a bit unpleasant compared to my old nokia
2016-01-13T12:25:16 < dongs> lol ifg you think assdroid has a long boottime
2016-01-13T12:25:19 < dongs> try ifaggot
2016-01-13T12:25:24 < dongs> its literally like 5 minutes
2016-01-13T12:25:37 < dongs> i duno my S6 boots in seconds
2016-01-13T12:25:47 < jpa-> also dropping a phone into lake involves turning it off to dry
2016-01-13T12:26:04 < PeterM> so from what i see here there is like 0 difference between dongss phone readerrors iphone for stability
2016-01-13T12:26:23 < jpa-> PeterM: umm, stability is more than just uptime
2016-01-13T12:26:44 < dongs> then what?
2016-01-13T12:26:48 < ReadError> apps dont crash and arent incompat
2016-01-13T12:27:01 < dongs> i've not had a crashed app in these 24 days?
2016-01-13T12:27:03 < jpa-> on my android eink reader (sony shit) apps crash all the time but rebooting won't help
2016-01-13T12:27:05 < ReadError> everything just works
2016-01-13T12:27:19 < ReadError> see jpa- knows
2016-01-13T12:27:22 < zyp> modem crashes on my android once in a while
2016-01-13T12:27:25 < PeterM> jpa-, ofcourse it is, but the point of ReadError's arguement was it didn't need rebooting/turning off it was so stable, so by that metic their stability is the same
2016-01-13T12:27:42 < dongs> zyp, you need this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv_P-54lzDc
2016-01-13T12:27:44 < zyp> I think there's a poor connection somewhere
2016-01-13T12:28:05 < dongs> this fixes the modem right up
2016-01-13T12:28:09 < zyp> haha
2016-01-13T12:28:40 < zyp> I'm thinking about getting the nexus 5x
2016-01-13T12:28:47 < dongs> why?
2016-01-13T12:28:55 < dongs> xiaomi mi4c is like $240
2016-01-13T12:28:59 < dongs> and same spec as dixus5x
2016-01-13T12:29:06 < dongs> the only reason to get a dixus would be 6P with 240fps video
2016-01-13T12:30:00 < zyp> idk, I like the no bullshit thing with the nexus phones
2016-01-13T12:30:18 < dongs> ya but
2016-01-13T12:30:25 < dongs> they stopped subsidizing it
2016-01-13T12:30:30 < dongs> so its just a shitty overpriced google phone now
2016-01-13T12:30:44 < dongs> oh they lowered hte price to $350 now
2016-01-13T12:30:50 < PeterM> well then just put AOSP on your xiaomi mi4c then?
2016-01-13T12:31:01 < dongs> ^
2016-01-13T12:31:32 < dongs> lol they still charge almost $50 for 16->32gb flash ugprade
2016-01-13T12:31:34 < dongs> what a fucking joke
2016-01-13T12:31:45 < dongs> xioami is like $15 extra to go 2->3gb ram and 15-.32gb flash
2016-01-13T12:31:58 < PeterM> why the fuck isnt 64gb built in a fuckign standard thing for phones >$200
2016-01-13T12:32:01 < zyp> dongs, idk, 5x is about the same in norwegian stores as I paid for nexus 4 when I bought that
2016-01-13T12:32:15 < dongs> so > $300?
2016-01-13T12:32:26 < PeterM> nand isnt that expensive guise
2016-01-13T12:32:27 < jpa-> new macbooks are annoying, nonstandard ssd, not upgradable ram, and horrible extra prices to get large enough
2016-01-13T12:32:39 < dongs> who buys apple shit
2016-01-13T12:32:49 < dongs> new macbooks are fucking garbage, arent they using that broadscum shit processor?
2016-01-13T12:32:58 < dongs> some 900mhz 2W tdp shit
2016-01-13T12:33:04 < dongs> a phone is faster than that crap
2016-01-13T12:33:14 < ReadError> kakimir says 900mhz is all you need
2016-01-13T12:33:21 < jpa-> well macbook pro obviously
2016-01-13T12:33:27 < jpa-> or whatever they call it this year
2016-01-13T12:33:27 < dongs> kakimiretard would probably load lunix on it
2016-01-13T12:33:37 < jpa-> kakimir would hotglue SMA connectors to it
2016-01-13T12:34:18 < PeterM> http://media.bestofmicro.com/ext/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS83L1UvMjQwMDQyL29yaWdpbmFsLzY5MTQwNDcwMS5qcGc=/w_500.jpg old but obligatory
2016-01-13T12:34:45 < dongs> he died before 2014 tho
2016-01-13T12:35:10 < PeterM> *insert conspiracy dipshit thing here*
2016-01-13T12:35:33 < PeterM> yeah, and iMat isnt a thing either
2016-01-13T12:36:00 < dongs> well duh cuz he died
2016-01-13T12:36:19 < dongs> iboard = jewpad pro
2016-01-13T12:36:24 < dongs> god damn that thing is just useless
2016-01-13T12:36:38 < dongs> the price of a good desktop PC, and 1/100th of capability
2016-01-13T12:36:43 < PeterM> jewsless
2016-01-13T12:37:12 < PeterM> my sister wants to get a iphone 6s plus, im like jsut put a downpayment on a new car instead
2016-01-13T12:38:27 < dongs> mi4c = basically cheaper dixus 5x
2016-01-13T12:38:28 < dongs> all same shit
2016-01-13T12:38:33 < dongs> does dixus even have quickcharge?
2016-01-13T12:38:36 < karlp> I have a mi4c,
2016-01-13T12:38:41 < karlp> it boots fast, that's nice.
2016-01-13T12:38:47 < karlp> but I really need to go put aosp or somethign on it.
2016-01-13T12:38:52 < PeterM> usb type ccccccccccccccc
2016-01-13T12:38:59 < karlp> it's got kinda fucked fonts by default.
2016-01-13T12:39:13 < karlp> the sms viewer app truncates a fe pixels off the bottom of them.
2016-01-13T12:39:32 < dongs> > sms
2016-01-13T12:39:33 < dongs> > 2016
2016-01-13T12:39:36 < zyp> I don't want to dick around with that shit, I want something that just works without bullshit
2016-01-13T12:39:39 < PeterM> wheres hangouts m8
2016-01-13T12:39:44 < dongs> i can definitely say i've not recevived a single SMS in 2015
2016-01-13T12:39:47 < dongs> or sent
2016-01-13T12:39:48 < karlp> noone uses hangouts in iceland
2016-01-13T12:39:50 < karlp> or whatsapp
2016-01-13T12:40:00 < dongs> yeah but fagouts can be your SMS viewer
2016-01-13T12:40:09 < dongs> and/sender
2016-01-13T12:40:11 < karlp> fuck google, I wnat to use less of them, not more.
2016-01-13T12:40:14 < dongs> ror
2016-01-13T12:40:18 < PeterM> kak
2016-01-13T12:40:21 < karlp> and yeah, maybe I could fuckaround with other apps for shit
2016-01-13T12:40:25 < dongs> well go ahead and laod up that AOSP
2016-01-13T12:40:27 < karlp> I was just saying what the mi4c wsa like out of box.
2016-01-13T12:40:31 < dongs> rite
2016-01-13T12:40:40 < karlp> and out of the box, the mi4c is really quite nice, but the sms thing is kinda busted,
2016-01-13T12:40:48 < karlp> and the contacts thing includes chinese yellow pages!
2016-01-13T12:40:58 < dongs> no problem, ready to use in china
2016-01-13T12:40:59 < zyp> haha
2016-01-13T12:40:59 < karlp> so if I start dialling a new number, it offers to autocomplete form china.
2016-01-13T12:41:10 < PeterM> does it come with hangouts on it though?
2016-01-13T12:41:10 < dongs> cant yopu just delete those
2016-01-13T12:41:21 < karlp> oh, and I get happy/sad icons on the calendar for chinese holidays .)
2016-01-13T12:41:23 < dongs> duno, it should come with google apps
2016-01-13T12:41:28 < PeterM> yeah
2016-01-13T12:41:45 < karlp> no, I think it only came with a few google apps that the seller installed on it.
2016-01-13T12:41:53 < PeterM> ahh
2016-01-13T12:42:08 < karlp> it certainly doesn't come with google apps if you buy it direct from xiaomi
2016-01-13T12:42:14 < karlp> they have their own app store,
2016-01-13T12:42:20 < karlp> which at least obeys my isntructions,
2016-01-13T12:42:48 < dongs> looks like samdung is both QC2.0 and samsung-proprietary charge thing
2016-01-13T12:42:54 < karlp> fucking play store, "this is a big app, I should only download on wifi" [checkbox to allow downloading anyway]  "yeah, I don't care if you allowed it, I'm waiting for wifi"
2016-01-13T12:42:57 < dongs> and dixus5 is just some proprietary fastcharge
2016-01-13T12:43:18 < dongs> and xioami is qc2.0
2016-01-13T12:43:24 < karlp> mi4c has an IR blaster, but apps are suckage,
2016-01-13T12:43:25 < dongs> karlp: does the charger it come wiht do 5V/9V thing?
2016-01-13T12:43:28 < karlp> no NFC though,
2016-01-13T12:43:56 < karlp> no idea, the factory charger I think ran up to 6V on the usb current meter thign I have though
2016-01-13T12:44:18 < karlp> I had problems with it charging earlier, it seemed to suck too much current out of some places and would keep shutting down.
2016-01-13T12:44:57 < karlp> hasn't happened for a few weeks now, but middle of the night having the phone beep on and off as it "started charging" then "stopped charging" back and forth was kinda tedious.
2016-01-13T12:44:57 < zyp> idk, I'm not buying a new phone yet anyway
2016-01-13T12:45:02 < karlp> it was nice and cheap though.
2016-01-13T12:45:07 < karlp> $230 something
2016-01-13T12:45:09 < zyp> maybe I'll just wait for next nexus gen
2016-01-13T12:45:14 < karlp> way cheaper than comparable phones here in .is
2016-01-13T12:45:36 < dongs> zyp is rich
2016-01-13T12:45:42 < PeterM> if you want a phoen the size of a small serving platter, androids got you covered
2016-01-13T12:46:40 < karlp> yeah, this is also the biggest phone I've ever owned,
2016-01-13T12:46:54 < karlp> took a bit of getting used to. but they don't seem to make nice compact ones anymore :(
2016-01-13T12:47:06 < karlp> there was an xperia z# compact, but it was too many $
2016-01-13T12:47:13 < dongs> i ahve that
2016-01-13T12:47:15 < dongs> its garbage
2016-01-13T12:47:49 < dongs> full of sony faggotware, camera is absolute shit, and it locks up weirdly and doesnt power back on until you hit a little reset button in the sd card socket
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2016-01-13T13:08:00 < dongs> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
2016-01-13T13:08:05 < dongs> M2/NGFF is 67 pins
2016-01-13T13:08:27 < dongs> wonder if I should bother doing new design with minipcie socket or just go for M2
2016-01-13T13:08:36 < dongs> smaller too but thats non-issue
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2016-01-13T13:09:16 < dongs> minipcie isnt g oing anywhere rite
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2016-01-13T13:11:25 < dongs> hmm i think M2 cards are 0.8mm
2016-01-13T13:13:05 < zyp> sounds right
2016-01-13T13:13:23 < karlp> m2/ngff has various different notch points too
2016-01-13T13:13:28 < dongs> yea i know
2016-01-13T13:13:41 < dongs> but a full connector is 67 pins
2016-01-13T13:13:41 < karlp> minipcie is a good choice I reckon
2016-01-13T13:13:42 < zyp> why does minipcie vs m2 matter if you're not gonna run anything standard over it anyway?
2016-01-13T13:13:56 < karlp> zyp: just future availability of the connectors,
2016-01-13T13:14:00 < dongs> ^ yea that
2016-01-13T13:14:02 < karlp> the less common m2 variants will disappear
2016-01-13T13:14:38 < zyp> don't think it'll be a problem anytime soon
2016-01-13T13:15:05 < dongs> like all minipcie shits on molex site were marked as obsolete
2016-01-13T13:15:13 < dongs> when i tried to download datasheets/3d models
2016-01-13T13:15:20 < dongs> but it  could be just molex being cocks
2016-01-13T13:15:27 < dongs> because they had like 10 different product lines for minipcie
2016-01-13T13:15:31 < zyp> heh
2016-01-13T13:15:33 < dongs> and site was so fucking slow i gave up after checking 2
2016-01-13T13:15:40 < PeterM> make boards compatible with both m2 connectors and they'll work in mpcie anyway right? make univeral footprint for m2 and mpcie?
2016-01-13T13:15:53 < dongs> lol M2 is much slammer
2016-01-13T13:15:54 < dongs> smaller
2016-01-13T13:15:58 < dongs> i dont wanna make 2 footprints for that shit
2016-01-13T13:16:06 < zyp> isn't m2 different pitch from minipcie?
2016-01-13T13:16:10 < dongs> yes
2016-01-13T13:16:11 < dongs> 0.5 vs 0.7
2016-01-13T13:16:13 < dongs> 0.8
2016-01-13T13:16:28 < dongs> higher pitch is actually OK cuz this is for highspeed differential signals
2016-01-13T13:16:54 < zyp> so is pcie :p
2016-01-13T13:17:06 < dongs> mine are 1.5gbps i think
2016-01-13T13:17:53 < PeterM> ahh shit i was confused i was thinking msata/minipcie mah bad
2016-01-13T13:18:05 < PeterM> the only difference between those two is keying
2016-01-13T13:19:24 < dongs> hm this intel SSD is 0.85mm
2016-01-13T13:19:40 < dongs> ah 0.8 on exposed edge
2016-01-13T13:19:42 < dongs> mkay
2016-01-13T13:20:27 < dongs> 0.05 was probly mask + shit
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2016-01-13T13:25:42 < ReadError> do you get gold fingers on this stuff? or low insertion use?
2016-01-13T13:26:09 < dongs> either, i made some NES cartridges and didnt bother with goldfingers.
2016-01-13T13:26:31 < dongs> but it was much larger contact area and was gonna be expensive.
2016-01-13T13:27:12 < dongs> i think ill stick wiht minipcie cuz i can get connectors in some nice heights
2016-01-13T13:27:19 < dongs> so i can stack subboard on top of mainboard much better
2016-01-13T13:27:30 < dongs> M2 i see most common is 4.2MM height
2016-01-13T13:27:46 < dongs> which puts hte card around ~2.1mm center
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2016-01-13T13:30:50 < dongs>  < MadHacker> Microchip have suddenly introduced lots of fancy options on their PICs too, with things like slew-rate control
2016-01-13T13:30:53 < dongs>                    and switching input thresholds on the GPIOs.
2016-01-13T13:30:56 < dongs> lolll
2016-01-13T13:31:00 < dongs> should I tell him STM had that since... forever? :)
2016-01-13T13:31:55 < PaulFertser> stm has switching input thresholds?
2016-01-13T13:31:56 < ReadError> nick seems familiar
2016-01-13T13:32:00 < zyp> PaulFertser, no
2016-01-13T13:32:05 < zyp> just slew-rate control
2016-01-13T13:32:11 < PaulFertser> That I know
2016-01-13T13:32:18 < dongs> http://www.atmel.com/devices/ATmegaS128.aspx
2016-01-13T13:32:19 < dongs> lol
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2016-01-13T13:32:53 < zyp> time to kickstart a space arduino
2016-01-13T13:33:48 < dongs> http://www.linear.com/product/LTC1694 wow
2016-01-13T13:33:53 < zyp> "ever wanted to make your own satellite? now with the space rated arduino you can!"
2016-01-13T13:34:49 < dongs> zyp, pretty sure that cubesat garbage had a bunch of arduinos in it
2016-01-13T13:34:54 < zyp> hehe
2016-01-13T13:35:04 < zyp> that's a cute chip
2016-01-13T13:35:12 < zyp> "hey, I see you're pulling, need some help?"
2016-01-13T13:35:18 < dongs> lo'
2016-01-13T13:36:51 < PaulFertser> Old controllers might be actually more rad-hard than modern, and if you just have no choice but to use industrial-grade hardware in space, that might make sense actually.
2016-01-13T13:37:40 < dongs> chances are if youre doing something in space y ou have money to give to ST to make a CERDIP version of STM32
2016-01-13T13:37:47 < PaulFertser> Nope
2016-01-13T13:38:44 < PaulFertser> I know guys from Dauria, they develop real sats.
2016-01-13T13:41:46 < PeterM> find micro with biggest process you can ?? profit
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2016-01-13T13:53:57 < PaulFertser> PeterM: so in some sense atmega might be better than our cool stm32s.
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2016-01-13T13:55:10 < PeterM> let me just dig out that ol' 80c51 back scratcher now...
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2016-01-13T14:18:14 < dongs> hmm i cant find how deep the card is inserted
2016-01-13T14:18:58 < PeterM> probably balls
2016-01-13T14:19:26 < dongs>  yes
2016-01-13T14:21:28 < dongs> Location of inserted card edge is aligned wiht center line of holes.
2016-01-13T14:21:29 < dongs> cool
2016-01-13T14:21:34 < dongs> pro JAE datasheet to the rescue
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2016-01-13T14:28:08 < Sync> > JAE
2016-01-13T14:28:23 < dongs> ya dude
2016-01-13T14:28:25 < Sync> cunts
2016-01-13T14:28:25 < dongs> real pro stuff
2016-01-13T14:28:27 < dongs> nope
2016-01-13T14:28:33 < dongs> way better than say, 'WURTH'
2016-01-13T14:29:02 < Sync> I think you need an Ü there
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2016-01-13T14:30:12 < dongs> my terminal cant do unichoad
2016-01-13T14:30:43 < Sync> only jizz encoding aids?
2016-01-13T14:30:53 < dongs> shit-jizz
2016-01-13T14:33:44 < dongs> ugh
2016-01-13T14:33:46 < dongs> fucking altidong
2016-01-13T14:33:53 < dongs> pp, place a mounting hole
2016-01-13T14:33:55 < Sync> I find it pretty hard to actually find out which jae connector one needs if you don't have the part number
2016-01-13T14:33:56 < dongs> click to place another
2016-01-13T14:34:04 < dongs> start drawing board ouline
2016-01-13T14:34:08 < dongs> make a mistake, press backspace
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2016-01-13T14:34:13 < dongs> the 2nd places MH is gone
2016-01-13T14:34:32 < dongs> places=placed
2016-01-13T14:34:37 < Sync> pro
2016-01-13T14:34:43 < dongs> ya
2016-01-13T14:34:47 < dongs> at least it goes into undo queue
2016-01-13T14:34:57 < dongs> so you can ctrl+z after ending outline placing
2016-01-13T14:35:07 < zyp> weird
2016-01-13T14:35:14 < dongs> tru story
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2016-01-13T14:38:25 < dongs> jyst try it. pp, place 2 holes, esc, pl, start drawing line, place it a couple times, then backspace to erase last line segment.
2016-01-13T14:39:04 < __rob2> anyone using SWO debugging with sigrok ?
2016-01-13T14:39:17 < __rob2> want to be able to get it setup to show the current thread from freertos
2016-01-13T14:40:11 < ReadError> zyph does right?
2016-01-13T14:40:21 < ReadError> zyp
2016-01-13T14:40:28 < zyp> no, try jpa-
2016-01-13T14:40:33 < ReadError> ohhh ya
2016-01-13T14:40:50 < zyp> he's the one who added swo support to sigrok in the first place
2016-01-13T14:41:16 < ReadError> http://essentialscrap.com/tips/arm_trace/theory.html
2016-01-13T14:41:21 < __rob2> yea, its his site I got started from
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2016-01-13T14:41:33 < __rob2> works amazingly well so far
2016-01-13T14:41:43 < __rob2> its like i've been debugging blind till I got this setup
2016-01-13T14:42:03 < karlp> now just remember not to design a new product with an m0 or m0+ and you'ðll be ok ;)
2016-01-13T14:42:06 < __rob2> anoyingly I didn't break out the swo pin to my gypsy debug header arrangement
2016-01-13T14:42:28 < dongs> why? m0 has no swo?
2016-01-13T14:42:35 < karlp> nope.
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2016-01-13T14:43:39 < ReadError> huh?
2016-01-13T14:43:44 < ReadError> f042 does
2016-01-13T14:44:09 < zyp> are you sure?
2016-01-13T14:44:14 < ReadError> oh swo
2016-01-13T14:44:18 < zyp> :p
2016-01-13T14:44:30 < ReadError> stoning
2016-01-13T14:44:46 < karlp> swooning even.
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2016-01-13T14:57:03 < jpa-> __rob2: i guess you could just add into freertos thread switch hook a write to one of the ITM ports
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2016-01-13T14:57:51 < jpa-> if you have recognizable IDs for your threads you might not even need any custom decoder to show the thread
2016-01-13T14:58:20 < __rob2> that was the bit I'm looking through to figure out, the decoder aspect
2016-01-13T14:58:47 < karlp> a few rtos's can be configured to use ITM port 31 to write out some magic values
2016-01-13T14:59:33 < karlp> __rob2: here's how to do it: http://blog.atollic.com/cortex-m-debugging-printf-redirection-to-a-debugger-console-using-swv/itm-part-2
2016-01-13T14:59:41 < karlp> that'ðs explicitly doing it on freertos
2016-01-13T14:59:59 < jpa-> __rob2: what kind of decoding are you planning to have?
2016-01-13T15:00:21 < karlp> though they're printing goddamn strings to the itm port for trace, instead of some packed binary data
2016-01-13T15:03:41 < jpa-> __rob2: for just custom hack, you could just find the arm_itm/pd.py somewhere on your harddrive and hack to add the extra output there
2016-01-13T15:04:01 < jpa-> but not sure if this could somehow made generic enough to go into main sigrok repo
2016-01-13T15:05:13 < dongs> why is ".py" involveD?
2016-01-13T15:05:38 < jpa-> because sigrok decoders are written in python for extra speed and stability
2016-01-13T15:06:08 < jpa-> .. a consequence of that is that they can only run the decoders in a single thread at a time, and sometimes it crashes if you add two decoders too quickly after each other
2016-01-13T15:07:12 < dongs> sounds amazingly pro
2016-01-13T15:07:34 < jpa-> it is total amaze
2016-01-13T15:10:27 < __rob2> right, just looked throguh the decoders, simpler than I thought!
2016-01-13T15:10:40 < __rob2> thats great
2016-01-13T15:10:44 < dongs> if you consider having to write them in a shit language "simple" sure.
2016-01-13T15:11:02 < __rob2> dunno, I use python on daily basis if
2016-01-13T15:11:03 < __rob2> I can
2016-01-13T15:11:14 < dongs> sorry to hear that.
2016-01-13T15:11:49 < __rob2> each to their own. I find it amazingly productive
2016-01-13T15:12:04 < __rob2> especially with numpy and scipy libraries
2016-01-13T15:12:17 < dongs> i bet
2016-01-13T15:12:22 < dongs> and 20 other libs nobody else uses
2016-01-13T15:12:30 < dongs> so when your shitty app is installed, it pulls in 500megs of other garbage
2016-01-13T15:12:37 < __rob2> the above 2 are pretty heavily used
2016-01-13T15:13:34 < __rob2> aint that the same with just about any application that links / imports other libraries
2016-01-13T15:14:06 < __rob2> any install I do on linux always seems to pull a ton of support stuff
2016-01-13T15:14:11 < jpa-> __rob2: http://sigrok.org/wiki/Protocol_decoder_HOWTO  this will be useful also
2016-01-13T15:14:19 < dongs> < __rob2> any install I do on linux always seems to pull a ton of support stuff
2016-01-13T15:14:20 < dongs> no shit
2016-01-13T15:14:26 < dongs> because instead of using existing shit
2016-01-13T15:14:33 < dongs> every new lunix install makes a new libfuckyou-0.1
2016-01-13T15:14:42 < dongs> that does something likefuckoff-0.1 did but slightly differently
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2016-01-13T15:15:42 < Sync> so basically like c# dongs
2016-01-13T15:16:06 < __rob2> well i've yet to have a problem with too many libraries or support files being required for an application
2016-01-13T15:16:13 < __rob2> especially one i've written myself
2016-01-13T15:16:36 < __rob2> starcraft 2 install was like 20gig, but when you have terrabytes to space on your hard drive.. who cares..
2016-01-13T15:16:51 < __rob2> jpa- thanks already looking through it :)
2016-01-13T15:16:56 < jpa-> :)
2016-01-13T15:22:53 < dongs> i think maybe python would be the first thing i'd shutdown if i won the lottery
2016-01-13T15:23:04 < dongs> its kinda a tie with kikecad tho
2016-01-13T15:23:09 < dongs>  / arduino
2016-01-13T15:23:47 < __rob2> then with what you have left you could fund zano2
2016-01-13T15:30:04 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/UR8Aok9.gif
2016-01-13T15:31:03 < BrainDamage> you know how many times a picture is reposted because everytime it is, the shitty websites logic recompress it and lose some quality until it becomes a grainy mess
2016-01-13T15:31:19 < BrainDamage> the equivalent of analog tape copy degradation in the modern world
2016-01-13T15:31:48 < Laurenceb> lul
2016-01-13T15:32:24 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/HTM8RZM.png
2016-01-13T15:34:03 < dongs> just gonna stop clickin on Laurenceb trash
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2016-01-13T15:50:47 < dongs> http://elproducente.com/gitup-git2-pro-review/ lol
2016-01-13T15:53:57 < Laurenceb> no high fps
2016-01-13T15:53:58 < Laurenceb> boring
2016-01-13T15:54:31 < Laurenceb> I want a VGA res, 1k fps camera
2016-01-13T15:54:58 < Laurenceb> that thing would be good for shooting cinema
2016-01-13T15:55:54 < dongs> sony RX100 does it
2016-01-13T15:55:55 < dongs> but
2016-01-13T15:56:04 < dongs> 1k fps it drops to 1136x384
2016-01-13T15:56:07 < dongs> and you can only record liek 5 seconds
2016-01-13T15:56:13 < Laurenceb> hawt
2016-01-13T15:56:26 < dongs> but its got a niec way to trigger it
2016-01-13T15:56:28 < dongs> it records always
2016-01-13T15:56:31 < dongs> and when youpush trigger
2016-01-13T15:56:34 < dongs> it commits last 5 seconds to flash
2016-01-13T15:56:40 < Laurenceb> sounds 100000 times better than gopro
2016-01-13T15:56:48 < dongs> gobro is only 240fps isnt it?
2016-01-13T15:56:51 < Laurenceb> yeah I only need a few seconds of video
2016-01-13T15:56:53 < Laurenceb> yeah
2016-01-13T15:57:11 < Laurenceb> gopro has trigger but half the time it has huge delay or some random lunix error
2016-01-13T15:57:49 < Laurenceb> so much fail
2016-01-13T15:57:58 < Laurenceb> linux is not an RTOS
2016-01-13T15:58:25 < dongs> lol
2016-01-13T16:03:52 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb: there're however smart ways to get benefit from Linux even when one has hard realtime requirements, e.g. Xenomai.
2016-01-13T16:07:06 < dongs> http://www.instructables.com/id/How-To-Get-EPIC-TRUE-SLOW-MOTION-TO-1000FPS-FOR-/
2016-01-13T16:07:09 < dongs> lol
2016-01-13T16:08:28 < Laurenceb> yeah thats not really useful when you need the camera for experiments :P
2016-01-13T16:09:12 < Sync> buy a onsemi sensor and roll your own :3
2016-01-13T16:09:25 < dongs> don't forget to get FPGA with over 9000 logic blocks
2016-01-13T16:10:30 < Sync> virtex ultrascale+ for more proness
2016-01-13T16:12:18 < Laurenceb> this needs to be light enough to fit on a balloon
2016-01-13T16:13:03 < Sync> just make the balloon larger
2016-01-13T16:15:58 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/universal-Kaisi-PCB-Holder-Jig-fixture-Universal-Rework-Station-for-iphone-mobile-phone-cell-phone/32300861688.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.1.aJ2jNW&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_2,searchweb201644_5_10001_10002_10005_10006_10003_10004_62,searchweb201560_8,searchweb1451318400_6151
2016-01-13T16:16:53 < ReadError> http://g04.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1fksLJFXXXXbJXpXXq6xXFXXXR/222954454/HTB1fksLJFXXXXbJXpXXq6xXFXXXR.jpg?size=138821&height=502&width=700&hash=d130609bc6716dd0b964569b1fccece7
2016-01-13T16:16:59 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-13T16:17:43 < Laurenceb> lul
2016-01-13T16:18:38 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/oF5b5V5.png
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2016-01-13T16:49:21 < Laurenceb> anyone know a command line utility to merge scale, crop and resize pdf files?
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2016-01-13T16:51:31 < jpa-> what's the difference of scale and resize?
2016-01-13T16:51:47 < Laurenceb> guess there isnt one
2016-01-13T16:52:54 < BrainDamage> if you're picky with terminology, scale maintains constant aspect ratio, resize not necessarily
2016-01-13T16:53:33 < Laurenceb> maybe I should start a page where I pay people to fix stupid document requests
2016-01-13T16:53:42 < Laurenceb> its all I seem to do at work :-/
2016-01-13T16:54:19 < Laurenceb> I need to overlay vector graphics over an instruction booklet
2016-01-13T16:54:37 < Laurenceb> nobody has the latex source for the booklet, so I'm stuck with it in pdf form
2016-01-13T16:57:23 < dongs> or just buy adobe acrobat
2016-01-13T16:57:31 < dongs> jesus fuck man you spend so much tiem wasting time with useless shit
2016-01-13T16:57:40 < dongs> you can overlay wahtever teh fuck you want over pdf in acrobat
2016-01-13T16:57:42 < dongs> even your  dick
2016-01-13T16:59:57 < Laurenceb> ur mum
2016-01-13T17:00:02 < dongs> also that
2016-01-13T17:00:56 < Laurenceb> ok I'll find a windoze machine
2016-01-13T17:01:39 < dongs> sorry to hear that you have t o "find" a windows machine
2016-01-13T17:01:40 < dongs> to get work done
2016-01-13T17:10:46 < kakimir> I think I have done full circle back to lpcxpresso
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2016-01-13T17:10:59 < kakimir> that is first thing I tried to use
2016-01-13T17:12:06 < kakimir> didn't have enough abstraction libraries and had shitty example programs
2016-01-13T17:13:51 < kakimir> no it doesn't support openocd I think
2016-01-13T17:14:29 < kakimir> so it means I should create boilerplate myself and use eclipse or so
2016-01-13T17:16:31 < kakimir> or limb back to coide
2016-01-13T17:19:20 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-13T17:19:24 < kakimir> that is how you do it
2016-01-13T17:20:12 < kakimir> I have no idea how to create boilerplate
2016-01-13T17:20:33 < kakimir> there is some cmsis parts and some...
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2016-01-13T17:23:42 < kakimir> better to let coide do it for me
2016-01-13T17:24:00 < kakimir> I don't think there is much to make it any better myself
2016-01-13T17:24:17 < kakimir> propably just worse
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2016-01-13T17:25:53 < kakimir> coide is so nice when it's free for any purpose
2016-01-13T17:26:14 < dongs> lol
2016-01-13T17:26:18 < dongs> you have no purpose in life
2016-01-13T17:26:29 < dongs> so you dont need coide
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2016-01-13T17:27:38 < kakimir> hmm
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2016-01-13T17:38:55 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/clean-room-in-a-box--3#/ wat
2016-01-13T17:39:31 < upgrdman> because people who need pro clean rooms hang out on ingiegofuckyourself
2016-01-13T17:39:45 < dongs> totally
2016-01-13T17:39:49 < gordonjcp> oh wow
2016-01-13T17:39:55 < gordonjcp> a cleanroom I can fit in the back of my van
2016-01-13T17:40:06 < gordonjcp> just in case I decide to
2016-01-13T17:40:13 < gordonjcp> no, wait, that's fucking stupid
2016-01-13T17:40:19 < dongs> but
2016-01-13T17:40:21 < dongs> you can LICENSE IT
2016-01-13T17:40:22 < dongs> from this guy
2016-01-13T17:40:23 < ReadError> $1500 to conduct an email blast to subscribers to WindowsSecrets.com (400,000+) to promote "Clean Room in a Box" once the application is filed;
2016-01-13T17:40:24 < ReadError> lol
2016-01-13T17:40:32 < upgrdman> do you have one of those creepy child molestor style vans that say "free candy"
2016-01-13T17:40:51 < gordonjcp> upgrdman: no, I have a far-too-small van with the logo of the company I work for on the side
2016-01-13T17:41:01 < gordonjcp> I used to have a much larger one fitted out as a mobile workshop
2016-01-13T17:41:01 < upgrdman> bummer
2016-01-13T17:41:10 < gordonjcp> this was actually useful, so they had to get rid of it
2016-01-13T17:41:10 < upgrdman> do you at least have a sick mustache?
2016-01-13T17:42:04 < ReadError> free 'stache rides!
2016-01-13T17:42:13  * upgrdman nods
2016-01-13T17:46:16 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/plexzi-the-smart-house-robot#/ found zyp's prpoj
2016-01-13T17:51:01 < dongs> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/005/161/932/1a89d7320125bf526c53030e1bc769c1_original.gif?v=1452198077&w=456&fit=max&q=92&s=0186b2043ef8172f9055b9a1fa4f5eb4
2016-01-13T17:52:53 < Laurenceb> looks legit
2016-01-13T17:53:32 < kakimir> coocox has ruined it's repository interface
2016-01-13T17:54:28 < dongs> Laurenceb: https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/005/161/941/05634cdab3db4684801ffe52cf9398b8_original.gif?v=1452198145&w=456&fit=max&q=92&s=1a539c19b0398fc95d2e3cac92cfe094
2016-01-13T17:55:54 < Laurenceb> http://www.againstgravity.pl/sites/default/files/yes_men2.jpg
2016-01-13T17:56:14 < dongs> wats this
2016-01-13T17:56:30 < kakimir> japanise troops uniform?
2016-01-13T17:56:42 < Laurenceb> pearly prototype?
2016-01-13T18:00:31 < kakimir> okay coocox repository doesnt have cmsis boot for nxp chips any more..
2016-01-13T18:00:55 < kakimir> such haters
2016-01-13T18:01:39 < kakimir> what I then need this program anymore
2016-01-13T18:01:45 < kakimir> *for
2016-01-13T18:05:16 < upgrdman> you voluntarily using nxp chips?
2016-01-13T18:05:28 < upgrdman> have you learned NOTHING from my bitching about lpc trash
2016-01-13T18:05:45 < upgrdman> yesterday i found out that the lpc1768 flash interface is 100% trash.
2016-01-13T18:05:51 < dongs> he likes trash
2016-01-13T18:06:00 < dongs> i mean, he uses kikecad and lunix
2016-01-13T18:06:04 < upgrdman> you have to write fucking assembly if you want to dick with flash. assembly!
2016-01-13T18:06:16 < upgrdman> (or use prewritten trash that contains assembly)
2016-01-13T18:06:31 < dongs> pre-trashed trash
2016-01-13T18:07:21 < upgrdman> not to mention the seemingly 8bit periphs that nxp decided to reuse in 32bit arms anyway
2016-01-13T18:07:42 < upgrdman> "you have a 32bit number? fuck you, put the LSB in this register, and the MSB in that register"
2016-01-13T18:08:27 < upgrdman> "we're going to ass rape you, and you're going to like it"
2016-01-13T18:09:18 < dongs> man, deciding layout of connectors and shit is so hard
2016-01-13T18:09:36 < zyp> haha
2016-01-13T18:09:42 < upgrdman> just do it the dingleberry pi way. put them in all sorts of directions, where it most covenient for you.
2016-01-13T18:09:47 < dongs> right
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2016-01-13T18:12:09 < dongs> maybe i should make my shit the size of aspieberrypi
2016-01-13T18:12:11 < dongs> just for lulz.
2016-01-13T18:12:46 < dongs> The Raspberry Pi measures 85.60mm x 56mm x 21mm (or roughly 3.37″ x 2.21″ x 0.83″)
2016-01-13T18:13:25 < zyp> upgrdman, what? you can even access it?
2016-01-13T18:14:27 < zyp> on the lpc shit I've looked at it's just «you want to write some data? put the pointers and shit in these registers and call this rom function»
2016-01-13T18:15:01 < dongs> k
2016-01-13T18:15:06 < dongs> 56x85 is acutally OK size
2016-01-13T18:15:07 < dongs> stealing.
2016-01-13T18:15:19 < zyp> gonna steal the layout too?
2016-01-13T18:15:23 < dongs> nope
2016-01-13T18:15:25 < dongs> but mounting holes
2016-01-13T18:15:27 < zyp> aww
2016-01-13T18:15:56 < zyp> if you steal the connector positions, you can use shitty enclosures
2016-01-13T18:16:39 < dongs> right..
2016-01-13T18:16:46 < dongs> hmmmm.
2016-01-13T18:17:17 < karlp> what are you haczoring now? is this your display port thingy?
2016-01-13T18:17:23 < dongs> no
2016-01-13T18:17:35 < dongs> workproj ive been delaying for a while
2016-01-13T18:17:49 < dongs> displayport thing is just selling, I dont need to do much with it
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2016-01-13T18:26:36 < dongs> yeah as much as i'd like to use cases i dont think thats gonna work
2016-01-13T18:27:08 < dongs> too much stupid shit in the way
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2016-01-13T18:27:43 < upgrdman> zyp, ya that's what i meant. you have to use assembly to dick with registers in order to get anything done.
2016-01-13T18:27:55 < upgrdman> and theres like a return value in r3 or someshit
2016-01-13T18:27:59 < upgrdman> 100% gay
2016-01-13T18:28:15 < zyp> oh, looks like crs210 arrived
2016-01-13T18:28:21 < zyp> will go pick it up later
2016-01-13T18:28:42 < dongs> psh
2016-01-13T18:28:48 < dongs> mine was in tokyo last i checked
2016-01-13T18:28:49 < dongs> lets see
2016-01-13T18:29:05 < dongs> ya still is
2016-01-13T18:31:04 < qyx> much gigabites
2016-01-13T18:31:34 < qyx> we have 10G switch at work, never connected to actual 10G
2016-01-13T18:31:41 < dongs> steal it
2016-01-13T18:32:34 < qyx> 10G uplink would be a bit expensive I assume
2016-01-13T18:32:37 < qyx> pity
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2016-01-13T18:36:13 < ReadError> bah wtf
2016-01-13T18:36:26 < ReadError> my entire altium footprint library got smashed
2016-01-13T18:36:29 < ReadError> so every pad is 0,0
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2016-01-13T18:37:10 < BrainDamage> BACKUPS BACKUPS BACKUPS
2016-01-13T18:37:28 < ReadError> yea I have a recent-ish one
2016-01-13T18:37:31 < ReadError> but wtf caused this
2016-01-13T18:37:47 < kakimir> upgrdman: what exactly in it?
2016-01-13T18:38:02 < upgrdman> in what
2016-01-13T18:38:03 < kakimir> isn't the whole chip trash anyways?
2016-01-13T18:38:04 < kakimir> and old
2016-01-13T18:38:21 < kakimir> lpc1768
2016-01-13T18:38:33 < upgrdman> you're ask why im using it?
2016-01-13T18:38:46 < kakimir> what was wrong with flash?
2016-01-13T18:38:58 < kakimir> shit was too slow?
2016-01-13T18:39:25 < dongs> 1768 is fucking garbage
2016-01-13T18:39:38 < dongs> shit chip, awful peripherals, etc
2016-01-13T18:39:39 < dongs> all fucking awful
2016-01-13T18:39:43 < upgrdman> no. it's a pain in the ass to work with. it's not treated like a peripheral. it's some magic sauce that you need to dick with cpu registers to fuck with. not memory mapped register, but actual arm registers
2016-01-13T18:40:06 < upgrdman> and the peripherals are weak sauce
2016-01-13T18:40:07 < kakimir> why would you use the chip anyways?
2016-01-13T18:40:19 < kakimir> it's crap
2016-01-13T18:40:47 < kakimir> they throw it in because it's cheap and has everything
2016-01-13T18:40:48 < upgrdman> because the pcb was designed before i joined the company, and the china engineers were comfortable with the lpc trash they learned on a decade ago
2016-01-13T18:41:02 < kakimir> not because programmers enjoy it
2016-01-13T18:41:12 < aandrew> LPC isn't worse than any other ARM, but LPC docs are almost universally awful
2016-01-13T18:41:34 < upgrdman> at least they added a couple fpga's to the new revision of the pcb. that'll be fun
2016-01-13T18:41:39 < aandrew> ReadError: ouch.
2016-01-13T18:41:59 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/a/2WnPn
2016-01-13T18:42:04 < upgrdman> aandrew, the periphs on lpc1768 are shit. they feel like 8051 periphs that got shoehorned into an arm
2016-01-13T18:42:04 < ReadError> seriously, what the actual fuck
2016-01-13T18:42:21 < dongs> why your footprints look like fucking garbage
2016-01-13T18:42:26 < kakimir> who has atm. cheapest chip with megasamplerange adc and 64pin pack and at least 3 seperate timer pwm outputs?
2016-01-13T18:42:37 < ReadError> dongs altium fucked my entire lib
2016-01-13T18:42:38 < aandrew> my backup strategy has evolved over time. I've been using duplicity for ages (basically GPG + librsync + any remote storage you can think of). I back up to S3 because it's cheap and I dn't have to think about it
2016-01-13T18:42:39 < dongs> > lpc
2016-01-13T18:42:42 < dongs> > mega sample rate adc
2016-01-13T18:42:42 < ReadError> and moved each pad to 0,0
2016-01-13T18:42:45 < dongs> are y ou fucking joking
2016-01-13T18:42:50 < ReadError> or X=0
2016-01-13T18:42:51 < ReadError> nope
2016-01-13T18:42:52 < dongs> lpc adc is garbage
2016-01-13T18:42:56 < kakimir> dongs: there is such
2016-01-13T18:43:04 < karlp> aandrew: I've got 650gig of backusp of photos, how is s3 in any way cheap? :)
2016-01-13T18:43:08 < ReadError> I have one from 12-24
2016-01-13T18:43:27 < ReadError> so not much lost, but still im curious what caused this
2016-01-13T18:43:44 < aandrew> then I recently started using syncthing for a way to keep my laptop and workstation in sync with moment to moment changes which also hits my online server and home server (media storage)
2016-01-13T18:44:00 < aandrew> karlp: I don't back up 60G, but I do back up about 25ish and my monthly costs are like $10
2016-01-13T18:44:13 < kakimir> dongs: lpc15xx 2x 12bit 2megasamples
2016-01-13T18:45:12 < dongs> kakimir: stm has like 7-8msps adc or osmeshit
2016-01-13T18:45:35 < aandrew> so my WORK work is about 10G and is continuously sync'd between 4 computers (not a backup, just a kind of distributed RAID really). Then I have incremental backups of the servers to S3 which get a full backup every quarter (so 1 full copy + daily incrementals for 3mos)
2016-01-13T18:46:07 < aandrew> ReadError: just a guess: you managed to select all pads and inspectored them to 0,0
2016-01-13T18:46:40 < kakimir> dongs: which one?
2016-01-13T18:46:42 < aandrew> I don't back up my movies/music, they just exist on a RAID5 with a hot spare and a cold spare on the shelf
2016-01-13T18:46:44 < dongs> kakimir: any of htem
2016-01-13T18:46:52 < kakimir> how many bit
2016-01-13T18:47:18 < dongs> fast analog-to-digital converters 5 MSPS 12bit (F303, first random datasheet i had open)
2016-01-13T18:47:32 < dongs> F401RE is 2.4msps
2016-01-13T18:47:44 < dongs> F405, 7.2msps
2016-01-13T18:47:45 < dongs> etc.
2016-01-13T18:48:09 < upgrdman> 7.2MSPS, ENOB of like 3?
2016-01-13T18:48:14 < dongs> psh
2016-01-13T18:48:17 < dongs> he didnt ask for that
2016-01-13T18:48:20 < dongs> adn no, still 12!!!11
2016-01-13T18:48:21 < upgrdman> :)
2016-01-13T18:48:21 < kakimir> I did
2016-01-13T18:48:55 < aandrew> karlp: you could also use their glacier service which is an offline or "warm" storage which is cheaper
2016-01-13T18:48:55 < kakimir> an are those chips in that half dozen dollar price range?
2016-01-13T18:48:56 < ReadError> aandrew seems the history stuff works
2016-01-13T18:49:00 < ReadError> was able to roll back
2016-01-13T18:49:09 < aandrew> ReadError: oh, nice. how did you do that?
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2016-01-13T18:49:34 < dongs> aandrew: well History\ dir also backs up any libs attached to that project.
2016-01-13T18:49:40 < ReadError> right clicked on it, local history -> show local history
2016-01-13T18:49:49 < ReadError> then open, save-as, overwrite
2016-01-13T18:50:08 < dongs> your libs still look like garbage
2016-01-13T18:50:21 < dongs> way too much noise, and low signal
2016-01-13T18:50:27 < dongs> and ugly misaligned shit
2016-01-13T18:50:33 < dongs> probably all imported from eagle
2016-01-13T18:50:46 < ReadError> dongs nah they are fine, that .designator stuff is so I can make assembly diagram
2016-01-13T18:50:57 < ReadError> all my stuff is aligned too, it just got fucked up
2016-01-13T18:51:24 < ReadError> i hide the designator layers tho
2016-01-13T18:51:31 < dongs> yawn
2016-01-13T18:54:46 < aandrew> dongs: aha
2016-01-13T18:54:58 < dongs> i usually wipe those
2016-01-13T18:55:01 < dongs> as they become 100s of megs quickly
2016-01-13T18:56:01 < aandrew> yeah it looks like you managed to inspector change all the pads to x-0
2016-01-13T18:56:35 < aandrew> I have to learn a bit more about the altium libs... the i.mx6 rex has a lot of good data there and I like their footprints
2016-01-13T18:56:52 < aandrew> .Designator works very well for printing out a "here is where the component is" when you don't have silkscreen or room on silk
2016-01-13T18:57:32 < aandrew> the mechanical layer shit bugs me in alitum
2016-01-13T18:57:38 < aandrew> that's one place where Eagle got it right
2016-01-13T18:58:36 < kakimir> I think I create project in lpcxpresso
2016-01-13T18:58:41 < kakimir> then move it into coocox
2016-01-13T18:59:04 < kakimir> to work with oppenocd debugger
2016-01-13T19:00:12 < dongs> aandrew: ? wat
2016-01-13T19:00:18 < dongs> nothing wrong wiht altidong mech layers
2016-01-13T19:00:24 < dongs> eagle has a layer called "cream"
2016-01-13T19:00:35 < dongs> that automatically fucking disqualifies it from ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION
2016-01-13T19:00:42 < aandrew> the default layer names are totally generic and ridiculous
2016-01-13T19:00:46 < dongs> who cares
2016-01-13T19:00:47 < dongs> you can rename them
2016-01-13T19:00:49 < aandrew> "Mechanical 1" "Mechanical 2"
2016-01-13T19:00:50 < aandrew> yes
2016-01-13T19:01:03 < dongs> so why care?
2016-01-13T19:01:03 < aandrew> why not give them sane fucking defaults
2016-01-13T19:01:05 < dongs> rename and dont care
2016-01-13T19:01:05 < dongs> why?
2016-01-13T19:01:08 < dongs> they're not needed
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2016-01-13T19:01:24 < dongs> they're completely arbitrary, and user decides what ot do with them
2016-01-13T19:01:27 < aandrew> there's no way to know that mech1 is outlines and linked with mech2, etc, etc.
2016-01-13T19:01:35 < aandrew> it's just another stupid hoop to jump thorugh
2016-01-13T19:01:35 < dongs> errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr whaT?
2016-01-13T19:01:37 < dongs> because its not
2016-01-13T19:01:45 < aandrew> dongs: I'm just giving an example
2016-01-13T19:01:57 < aandrew> the mechanical layers can be linked for top/bottom flipping, for example
2016-01-13T19:02:16 < dongs> yeah so.... ??
2016-01-13T19:02:23 < dongs> again im missing the point of why defaults dont work
2016-01-13T19:02:44 < dongs> would tyou rather have some dumb predefined names and then run out of arbitrary layers to use for shit you wanted to?
2016-01-13T19:02:46 < ReadError> aandrew thats exactly why I use
2016-01-13T19:02:56 < ReadError> makes it easy to assembly by hand, map so to speak
2016-01-13T19:03:29 < dongs> no it doesnt, who the fuck assembles by designator?
2016-01-13T19:03:29 < aandrew> yes
2016-01-13T19:03:34 < ReadError> dongs there is no default for this
2016-01-13T19:03:42 < dongs> ReadError: no shit, i know it, aandrew doesnt
2016-01-13T19:03:52 < aandrew> I want predefined names with logical mappings. let me rename it if I want to call it "dong 1" "dong 2" etc but give sane fucking defaults
2016-01-13T19:04:05 < dongs> mech 1..32 is perfectly sane.
2016-01-13T19:04:09 < dongs> dont be a stoner
2016-01-13T19:04:19 < ReadError> you can just rename them too..
2016-01-13T19:04:21 < aandrew> no, it's not sane. it's just lazy programming
2016-01-13T19:04:31 < aandrew> eagle gets it right
2016-01-13T19:04:36 < dongs> nope
2016-01-13T19:04:39 < ReadError> dont see the big deal behind renaming
2016-01-13T19:04:39 < aandrew> set up sane defaults and if you want to rename them go do it
2016-01-13T19:04:45 < aandrew> it's not a big deal
2016-01-13T19:04:53 < ReadError> cream layer sounds disgusting, also
2016-01-13T19:04:59 < dongs> since there's nothing useful on those layers i dont see why they should be named anything
2016-01-13T19:05:21 < aandrew> it's another step in the learning curve to realize "oh, there is nothing special about "mechanical 1" but every fucking library uses it for component outlines, so why not name the fucking thing "component outline" from the get-go"
2016-01-13T19:05:30 < aandrew> yes, that's a german translation I guess
2016-01-13T19:05:36 < aandrew> same thing as restring
2016-01-13T19:05:39 < dongs> my library uses mech13 for that
2016-01-13T19:05:44 < dongs> suck it
2016-01-13T19:05:59 < aandrew> english calls them annular rings and everyone reading it things the word is "re-string" but it's really "rest-ring"
2016-01-13T19:06:22 < dongs> fucking germans
2016-01-13T19:06:32 < dongs> but at least we all agree that eagle UI is fucking dumb
2016-01-13T19:06:34 < dongs> and impossible to use.
2016-01-13T19:06:35 < aandrew> yes
2016-01-13T19:06:48 < aandrew> altium's took me a while to "get" because it felt really "messy" coming from eagle
2016-01-13T19:06:53 < aandrew> but I'm really starting to like it
2016-01-13T19:07:38 < aandrew> one thing that I *do not* like about alitum is that it really has a separation of "signal layer" from "plane layer"
2016-01-13T19:07:53 < aandrew> if I want to put three traces on a fucking plane it's a chore (unless there's some trick I don't know of)
2016-01-13T19:07:56 < dongs> not a problem, stop putting traces in plane layers
2016-01-13T19:07:59 < dongs> there isnt
2016-01-13T19:08:01 < dongs> dont d o it :)
2016-01-13T19:08:20 < aandrew> no reason not to do it if it saves a ton of time and frustration in routing and doesn't impact your SI
2016-01-13T19:08:37 < dongs> non-issue for me.
2016-01-13T19:09:03 < dongs> you can always make power/plane layers as regular signal shit and just stick big pours there or something
2016-01-13T19:09:06 < dongs> or wahtever you want
2016-01-13T19:09:07 < dongs> if you wanna route there.
2016-01-13T19:09:12 < aandrew> the push and shove routing is awesome, the design rules are mostly awesome (still learning how to effectively use them and things like net classes).. .impedance driven routing widths are nice
2016-01-13T19:09:27 < aandrew> it really is a nice step up from eagle
2016-01-13T19:09:38 < aandrew> I've got almost 25 years of un-learning to do though
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2016-01-13T19:29:37 < zyp> dongs, there's a fucking speaker in this switch as well
2016-01-13T19:29:40 < zyp> it makes bootup sounds
2016-01-13T19:30:05 < dongs> haha
2016-01-13T19:30:09 < dongs> lunix??
2016-01-13T19:30:20 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/XtY5wEK.png raspberrypi clone complete
2016-01-13T19:30:52 < dongs> hm i have to see if I can actually insert it into minipcie at that angle without the extra parts hitting bottom pcb
2016-01-13T19:30:52 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDkmkD48zE8
2016-01-13T19:31:35 < dongs> ReadError: fuck, i was hoping that red shit that was pulled out of the window by the boat was his fucking brains
2016-01-13T19:31:35 < Steffann> No tarduino header?
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2016-01-13T19:41:16 < kakimir> what is this code red thing lpcxpresso push into projects?
2016-01-13T19:41:48 < karlp> customized eclipse
2016-01-13T19:42:15 < kakimir> why it has includes in my project
2016-01-13T19:42:31 < kakimir> it it to make my life easier
2016-01-13T19:44:10 < Rob235> frozencpu has to be the shittiest retailer
2016-01-13T19:49:24 < kakimir> why
2016-01-13T19:50:38 < Rob235> their website is very hard to navigate, their prices are crazy high and even though I'm willing to put up with that, there is no checkout button!
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2016-01-13T19:51:00 < Rob235> I view my cart, estimate shipping, and can't go any further
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2016-01-13T19:57:35 < zyp> config ui on this switch is horrible
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2016-01-13T19:59:27 < Steffann> lol you're right Rob235
2016-01-13T19:59:55 < Rob235> and they are the only retailer in the US that I can find that carry what I'm looking for, guess I'll have to order overseas
2016-01-13T20:00:23 < Steffann> They no longer exist it seems Rob235
2016-01-13T20:00:32 < Steffann> https://www.reddit.com/r/watercooling/comments/2vgq20/psa_frozencpu_has_closed_its_doors_apparently_do/
2016-01-13T20:01:32 < Steffann> or just
2016-01-13T20:01:34 < Steffann> "Sorry, Site undergoing maintenance, no checkout button available. Please call in order, Thank You
2016-01-13T20:01:34 < Steffann> January 01, 2016"
2016-01-13T20:01:49 < Rob235> I saw something about that but saw it was from last february or so.  figured if the website was still up then that wasn't the issue
2016-01-13T20:01:53 < Rob235> ahh really? thanks
2016-01-13T20:02:00 < Rob235> great timing for me
2016-01-13T20:02:15 < Steffann> @ homepage
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2016-01-13T20:09:29 < Steffanx> someone k-lined irccloud.com? :D
2016-01-13T20:11:10 < Rob235> son of a bitch, was about to order from a german website and the minimum order is $75
2016-01-13T20:11:51 < Steffanx> poor Rob235
2016-01-13T20:12:48 < kakimir> what happens if I turn RAM power off and leave other parts running?
2016-01-13T20:12:50 < ReadError> shit ass freenode ops
2016-01-13T20:12:58 < ReadError> cant fucking throw the k-hammer right
2016-01-13T20:12:59 < jpa-> kakimir: where, how?
2016-01-13T20:13:03 < ReadError> they done this before
2016-01-13T20:13:04 < kakimir> lpc1111
2016-01-13T20:13:24 < jpa-> how would you do that?
2016-01-13T20:13:32 < kakimir> I mean you can switch power on and off from any single part
2016-01-13T20:13:35 < kakimir> *clock
2016-01-13T20:14:08 < jpa-> which register are you talking about?
2016-01-13T20:14:13 < kakimir> UM10398 page 32
2016-01-13T20:14:35 < Steffanx> "disruption to irccloud unintended - our apologies, it should be fixed now!" ReadError :P
2016-01-13T20:14:39 < kakimir> can you do anything sensible with just registers?
2016-01-13T20:15:53 < jpa-> i guess you can
2016-01-13T20:16:05 < jpa-> polling wait for something when running from rom
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2016-01-13T20:19:14 < kakimir> hmm
2016-01-13T20:19:50 < kakimir> to save 100mikroamps
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2016-01-13T20:22:25 < kakimir> I bet you need to do it all in asm jpa- ?
2016-01-13T20:22:45 < jpa-> depends
2016-01-13T20:23:07 < jpa-> not like C writes to ram just for the fun of it, function calls are out of the question be it asm or c
2016-01-13T20:23:15 < jpa-> interrupts also
2016-01-13T20:23:48 < Steffanx> Dont forget to use the crc DR register.
2016-01-13T20:23:51 < kakimir> use volatile variables in wait loop?
2016-01-13T20:24:13 < kakimir> but that doesn't ensure anything
2016-01-13T20:24:43 < kakimir> and it's not given that it doesnt use ram... even when it just never doesnt
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2016-01-13T20:25:21 < kakimir> there should be some way to make it.. absolute
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2016-01-13T20:25:36 < kakimir> some C language trick
2016-01-13T20:26:56 < jpa-> Steffanx: LPC does not have it :(
2016-01-13T20:27:05 < jpa-> Steffanx: but it has two general purpose registers instead
2016-01-13T20:27:37 < kakimir> CRC DR=
2016-01-13T20:27:38 < kakimir> ?
2016-01-13T20:28:04 < Steffanx> Free ram.
2016-01-13T20:28:09 < Steffanx> *storage
2016-01-13T20:28:11 < jpa-> kakimir: absolute? you just want it in register. you can type "register int x;" but not like that ensures anything either; you can do "int x __asm__("r5");".. or you can just use less than 10 or so registers and be happy
2016-01-13T20:28:44 < kakimir> okay
2016-01-13T20:28:47 < jpa-> volatile would be a way to ensure that it does not go into a register
2016-01-13T20:28:48 < Steffanx> You should stop bothering of give it a try kakimir :)
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2016-01-13T20:29:09 < jpa-> not likely to be worth doing often; a bit surprising they have a bit to disable ram clock
2016-01-13T20:29:12 < kakimir> volatile doesn keep it register?
2016-01-13T20:29:18 < jpa-> disabling rom clock is still somewhat reasonable
2016-01-13T20:29:25 < jpa-> kakimir: nope, volatile keeps it in ram
2016-01-13T20:29:43 < kakimir> I gave always used it wrong then
2016-01-13T20:29:47 < kakimir> have
2016-01-13T20:29:59 < kakimir> doesn't seem to matter that much
2016-01-13T20:30:15 < jpa-> what have you used it for?
2016-01-13T20:30:44 < kakimir> general variables in program
2016-01-13T20:31:12 < kakimir> state variables and stuff that is accessed all the time
2016-01-13T20:31:33 < kakimir> so register keeps variable in register?
2016-01-13T20:31:39 < kakimir> or tries to
2016-01-13T20:34:00 < jpa-> compiler always tries to keep stuff in registers
2016-01-13T20:34:09 < jpa-> "register" usually does nothing nowadays
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2016-01-13T20:34:26 < jpa-> and volatile is only when you want to sync changes to ram immediately - it makes code slower
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2016-01-13T20:38:02 < kakimir> oh
2016-01-13T20:38:07 < kakimir> volatile is that
2016-01-13T20:38:23 < kakimir> so if I dont want sync all the time
2016-01-13T20:38:36 < kakimir> only once a while to instant write stuff to ram
2016-01-13T20:38:42 < kakimir> then what?
2016-01-13T20:38:47 < jpa-> whut?
2016-01-13T20:39:01 < jpa-> if you want a synchronization barrier, there is an instruction for that
2016-01-13T20:39:14 < jpa-> (and gcc intrinsic also)
2016-01-13T20:40:22 < kakimir> I dont know exactly... volatile may work in 99% of cases just fine
2016-01-13T20:41:17 < kakimir> lets not hurt my big head with this barrier thing anymore
2016-01-13T20:46:38 < kakimir> anyone know nice desktop app to play with binary - hexadecimal - decimal
2016-01-13T20:46:51 < kakimir> conversions
2016-01-13T20:46:58 < kakimir> ?
2016-01-13T20:47:34 < Steffanx> google.com
2016-01-13T20:49:50 < kakimir> http://www.pmasoft.net/englisch/pmabinary.htm
2016-01-13T20:50:23 < kakimir> I think it's windows95 ready
2016-01-13T20:50:29 < Steffanx> https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=150%20to%20octal
2016-01-13T20:51:33 < kakimir> I dont like google knows my binaries
2016-01-13T20:53:01 < aandrew> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/t31.0-8/12419074_882412188543541_3918916896170777284_o.jpg
2016-01-13T20:53:05 < Steffanx> google already knows about your brainfarts anyway. As this channel is logged.
2016-01-13T20:53:12 < Steffanx> publicly
2016-01-13T20:55:29 < Laurenceb> http://media.2oceansvibe.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/melbourne-train.jpg
2016-01-13T20:55:50 < BrainDamage> *now* you discover it?
2016-01-13T20:56:03 < BrainDamage> image search queenslandrail
2016-01-13T20:56:07 < BrainDamage> you'll find tons of them
2016-01-13T20:57:04 < aandrew> lolstralia
2016-01-13T20:57:05 < Laurenceb> http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Queensland+rail+proud+of+you+queensland_47556c_3913350.jpg
2016-01-13T20:57:37 < Laurenceb> http://img1.rnkr-static.com/list_social_img/19950/539950/520/the-best-of-the-queensland-rail-ad-meme-u1.jpg
2016-01-13T20:58:13 < Rob235> $100 later... damn water cooling
2016-01-13T20:59:46 < kakimir> this pmacalc is the best I have seen
2016-01-13T21:04:12 < Rob235> I gotta finish this pcb design so I can move back to coding!
2016-01-13T21:04:59 < kakimir> I wonder if I can stuff mainppl maximum clock to every peripheral with divider set to 1
2016-01-13T21:05:13 < kakimir> if there is no mention o´f any maximums
2016-01-13T21:11:52 < kakimir> well then you have to try maximums
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2016-01-13T21:17:08 < Rob235> in diptrace, I added a header connector, what is the pin order?
2016-01-13T21:17:19 < Rob235> its 2 rows of 3 for example
2016-01-13T21:20:57 < ReadError> you need to make the component maybe
2016-01-13T21:21:05 < ReadError> i normally make my own on that
2016-01-13T21:21:17 < kakimir> code red is libc
2016-01-13T21:22:15 < Rob235> I opened one of the connectors patterns and it appears pin1 is bottom left, pin2 is top left, etc
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2016-01-13T21:42:40 < kakimir> Okay lpcxpresso is best
2016-01-13T21:44:53 < kakimir> got it going
2016-01-13T21:48:22 < lorenzo> oh good lord
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2016-01-13T21:54:33 < kakimir> code looks so good without abstraction layers
2016-01-13T21:55:41 < ReadError> get out of here traitor
2016-01-13T21:56:06 < kakimir> I tell you when I get it ready and it's winner
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2016-01-13T22:01:49 < __rob2> jpa- about ?
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2016-01-13T22:02:58 < __rob2> http://arm-stm.blogspot.com/2014/12/debug-mcu-configuration-register.html
2016-01-13T22:03:04 < __rob2> confused about bits 7:5 and the different modes here
2016-01-13T22:03:15 < __rob2> cant find any information on what the difference is
2016-01-13T22:04:05 < kakimir> I wonder if CODE RED is something they want you to use freely in personal and commercial applications
2016-01-13T22:04:39 < karlp> Rob235: you wahat ioen=1 and tracemode == 00.
2016-01-13T22:04:43 < karlp> __rob2: that was for you
2016-01-13T22:04:53 < Rob235> :)
2016-01-13T22:04:54 < karlp> the other tracemodes are for ETM, whichyou _probably_ don't want.
2016-01-13T22:05:34 < __rob2> so I cant use ITM and ETM at the same time ?
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2016-01-13T22:06:07 < kakimir> I think you can
2016-01-13T22:09:26 < karlp> __rob2: ITM is internal, and funnels to TPIU, which goes to either ETM or SWO....
2016-01-13T22:10:03 < karlp> ETM being the 1,2 or 4 bit plus clock, and swo being 1 bit unclocked.
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2016-01-13T22:16:34 < __rob2> ahh, I see the pin assignments now
2016-01-13T22:16:57 < __rob2> what do you mean by either TPIU goes to ETM or SWO
2016-01-13T22:17:20 < Laurenceb> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8610981&cid=51294397
2016-01-13T22:17:25 < __rob2> I thought both the ETM and ITM go to TPIU then output on respective debug pins
2016-01-13T22:18:08 < __rob2> so either SWO or the other 1,2,4 bit syncronous output bus
2016-01-13T22:19:04 < __rob2> maybe its my crap googling, but theres not a huge amount of clear info on it apart from jpa- site :)
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2016-01-13T22:22:24 < karlp> __rob2: ah, maybe tpiu is after, I think there's multi path
2016-01-13T22:22:37 < karlp> but yeah, it's the bits that config between etm 4 bit and swo
2016-01-13T22:22:40 < PaulFertser> Rob235: right
2016-01-13T22:22:49 < PaulFertser> __rob2: you're right
2016-01-13T22:22:51 < karlp> you need to read the adiv5 docs and, there's another...
2016-01-13T22:23:05 < karlp> still, soundsd like you know what's going on, what's the problem?
2016-01-13T22:23:39 < PaulFertser> __rob2: and when one wants ITM only he or she can disable TPIU formatting. But if ETM should be there too, then formatter must be on, and packets from ITM and ETM would be framed appropriately.
2016-01-13T22:24:04 < PaulFertser> __rob2: so you can use both at he same time, afaik.
2016-01-13T22:30:19 < __rob2> great thanks
2016-01-13T22:34:13 < karlp> but if you have ETM, using swo at the same time seems kinda pointless
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2016-01-13T22:36:07 < __rob2> yea, I only really need ITM
2016-01-13T22:36:20 < __rob2> been using jpa's stuff blindly and want to know how it all works
2016-01-13T22:36:59 < __rob2> i'm sure ETM will be useful another time
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2016-01-13T22:53:53 < Rob235> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/99345853/pcb01.jpg  I hope I'm doing this right :)
2016-01-13T23:12:12 < Rob235> I have an x8r receiver and have been using it with sbus (PWR/GND/SIGNAL) which powers the device, I want to also use S-PORT which has the same pins, do I just not connect power to one of them?
2016-01-13T23:16:09 < lorenzo> this stm32 discovery is actually pretty impressive
2016-01-13T23:16:18 < lorenzo> has a compass, audio player/recorder, guitar tuner apps on it
2016-01-13T23:16:59 < Rob235> which one
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2016-01-13T23:25:55 < Fleck> lorenzo? ^^
2016-01-13T23:26:02 < lorenzo> back
2016-01-13T23:26:06 < lorenzo> it's the stm32l476 one
2016-01-13T23:26:14 < lorenzo> stm32l476g-disco
2016-01-13T23:26:47 < lorenzo> got it from mouser at 18.99 eur
2016-01-13T23:27:02 < lorenzo> http://www.mouser.it/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/STM32L476G-DISCO/
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2016-01-13T23:49:50 < kakimir> why this eclipse shit doesn autocomlete anything but sometimes when I dont need it
2016-01-13T23:49:56 < kakimir> then it does
2016-01-13T23:51:00 < Steffanx> pebkac
2016-01-13T23:54:38 < GargantuaSauce> my favourite thing is when the autocomplete does disk io in the ui thread
2016-01-13T23:57:18 < kakimir> my favourite is when autocomplete just freezes editor for 3seconds
2016-01-13T23:57:38 < Rob235> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/99345853/pcb02.jpg hmm
2016-01-13T23:59:27 < GargantuaSauce> is that a bunch of servos?
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2016-01-14T00:00:44 < Rob235> J1 is. its a shield I'm attempting for an stm32f4 discovery for a hexacopter
2016-01-14T00:00:55 < Rob235> well J1 is ESCs
2016-01-14T00:01:10 < kakimir> there is 3 prescalers between main PLL and SPI output clock
2016-01-14T00:01:19 < kakimir> what is meaning of all this
2016-01-14T00:01:40 < GargantuaSauce> ah ok, so u3 is one of those cheap imu boards
2016-01-14T00:02:27 < GargantuaSauce> honestly if you're doing a pcb you may as well put the microcontroller right on it, but baby steps are good i guess
2016-01-14T00:02:35 < Rob235> u3 is bmp280 pressure, u2 is bno055 gyro/accel/mag, and u1 is a poor choice by me because it takes up so much space but a tlc5947 rgb led driver
2016-01-14T00:03:00 < kakimir> there is SPI clock prescaler, there is prescaler in SPI peripheral and then there is control for serial clock speed that is also divider
2016-01-14T00:03:16 < Rob235> yea I know but I didn't plan on doing this from the beginning and this is my first electronics project and I just want to get it flying :) I'll probably do it eventually though
2016-01-14T00:04:24 < GargantuaSauce> j5/6 are going to be headers right? or are you soldering the disco straight on
2016-01-14T00:04:38 < Rob235> yea headers
2016-01-14T00:04:53 < GargantuaSauce> don't assume you can pull the disco off the headers without bending a few of the pins
2016-01-14T00:05:19 < GargantuaSauce> it's hard as fuck
2016-01-14T00:05:26 < Rob235> good to know
2016-01-14T00:06:48 < GargantuaSauce> use an external regulator for the sensors, it's a stretch to use the one on the disco for everything
2016-01-14T00:07:04 < GargantuaSauce> (and this is a good opportunity to practice soldering a couple of smd components)
2016-01-14T00:07:17 < GargantuaSauce> just lm1117 or whatever you can get your hands on for cheap
2016-01-14T00:08:55 < Rob235> I'm using a 5v ubec to power the board, can I just have it get the power for everything from there?
2016-01-14T00:10:02 < GargantuaSauce> oh if the sensors all take 5V and have onboard regulators then yeah that's probably fine
2016-01-14T00:10:35 < Rob235> yea they do
2016-01-14T00:10:45 < upgrdman> any of you pros written an spi module in HDL before?
2016-01-14T00:10:50 < Rob235> its really only 2 sensors getting power from the stm32, is that really too much?
2016-01-14T00:11:16 < Rob235> the ws2812b leds have their own 5v supply and the rgb led driver in this pcb has its own 12v supply
2016-01-14T00:12:29 < GargantuaSauce> well the thing is already 10 times as big as it needs to be so you may as well overengineer some stuff
2016-01-14T00:14:12 < Rob235> oh shit, forgot about gps
2016-01-14T00:15:34 < Rob235> and I should probably add a serial tx pin
2016-01-14T00:18:35 < fenugrec> upgrdman like VHDL / verilog ? if so, opencores.org
2016-01-14T00:19:22 < upgrdman> ya
2016-01-14T00:19:30 < upgrdman> i wrote my own and it seems to work fine
2016-01-14T00:19:40 < upgrdman> just not sure if my LUT usage is sane/great/bad
2016-01-14T00:20:03 < fenugrec> your PLD vendor might have some, too - Lattice has some examples in its IP section, you can even DL them freely.
2016-01-14T00:20:10 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-14T00:20:16 < fenugrec> but I'm neither pro, nor ever written an spi module in HDL, so YMMF
2016-01-14T00:20:21 < fenugrec> YMMV
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2016-01-14T01:22:00 < caspinol> Hello, can someone clarify which clock is used by SysTick timer, is it the SYSCLK or HCLK?
2016-01-14T01:22:30 < caspinol> I can seem to fully grasp it from the datasheets
2016-01-14T01:23:26 < caspinol> there is just too many clocks on those chips :)
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2016-01-14T01:27:11 < kakimir> does it usually matter which way around you initialize peripheral and pins affected?
2016-01-14T01:27:29 < kakimir> I usually initialize peripheral first and pins right after
2016-01-14T01:29:45 < zyp> doing it that way might avoid glitches on the bus
2016-01-14T01:30:18 < zyp> setting pins to AF first puts an undefined state on them, until the peripheral is initialized
2016-01-14T01:33:34 < kakimir> do you know anything about LPC gpios?
2016-01-14T01:37:13 < kakimir> I wonder is pull ups and downs affect when used as peripheral input
2016-01-14T01:37:59 < kakimir> well at this phase I can not change anything anymore so I can safely assume it does
2016-01-14T01:40:44 < kakimir> It would have been at hw phase to figure it out but it doesnt say
2016-01-14T01:40:46 < zyp> as far as I've seen, LPC gpios seems to have the function mux in front of the GPIO, whereas stm got the function mux as part of the GPIO block
2016-01-14T01:41:03 < zyp> so if the pulls are part of the GPIO block, they might get disabled when a different function is selected
2016-01-14T01:41:33 < zyp> although that would be a bit weird
2016-01-14T01:41:47 < zyp> I don't know anything more than that
2016-01-14T01:44:12 < kakimir> what I have seen with this chip is that there is esd diodes connected to pin.. there is half bridge for output... there is another half bridge for weak pull up and down and there is switch for analog channel to connect ADC mixer to pin
2016-01-14T01:44:41 < kakimir> no seperate drivers
2016-01-14T01:45:17 < kakimir> muxing must be done for inputs and outputs of this standard block
2016-01-14T02:04:29 < kakimir> do I need to do some cleaning for SPI peripheral when I turn it on and off?
2016-01-14T02:05:38 < kakimir> oh there is syncs and timeouts anyways
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2016-01-14T02:30:49 < kakimir> should I even write registers in plain hexadesimals...
2016-01-14T02:31:21 < kakimir> instead of like sum of bitshifted decimals
2016-01-14T02:31:29 < kakimir> that looks bit dirty
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2016-01-14T03:00:22 < kakimir> I think I install openocd eclipse plugin to lpcxpresso if it doesn't refuse it
2016-01-14T03:00:35 < upgrdman> it might
2016-01-14T03:00:52 < upgrdman> i've tried to install other plugins into lpcxpressjina and it bitched
2016-01-14T03:01:04 < upgrdman> nothing major even, just a theme plugin
2016-01-14T03:03:06 < kakimir> oh
2016-01-14T03:03:11 < kakimir> they want to keep it clean
2016-01-14T03:03:36 < dongs> I've had pretty  good experience with http://gnuarmeclipse.sourceforge.net , just keeping current GAE in %PATH%, installing ONLY J-link debugger support, then using eclipse wiht existing Makefile projects.
2016-01-14T03:03:37 < upgrdman> yes. you must wear a condom when using lpcxpressjina
2016-01-14T03:03:57 < upgrdman> dongs using eclipse? what has the world come to
2016-01-14T03:04:06 < dongs> I only had to specify path to arm-none-eabi-gdb, and the plugin handled automatic flashing, etc.
2016-01-14T03:04:22 < kakimir> dongs: GAE?
2016-01-14T03:04:29 < upgrdman> gcc-arm-embedded
2016-01-14T03:04:31 < dongs> ^
2016-01-14T03:04:36 < upgrdman> toolchain by arm employees
2016-01-14T03:04:38 < upgrdman> google it
2016-01-14T03:04:41 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-14T03:04:57 < kakimir> I realized it just before you said
2016-01-14T03:05:10 < upgrdman> atmel and microchip joining? wtf  https://hackaday.com/2016/01/13/microchips-proposal-to-acquire-atmel/
2016-01-14T03:05:19 < dongs> dude old as fuck
2016-01-14T03:05:32 < upgrdman> im kinda surprised it wouldnt be atmel buying microchip.
2016-01-14T03:05:38 < upgrdman> i thought atmel was the bigger one
2016-01-14T03:05:38 < dongs> atmel is dead
2016-01-14T03:05:46 < kakimir> can I mess my lpcxpresso project with eclipse?
2016-01-14T03:05:48 < dongs> tho you got a point, microshit is deader
2016-01-14T03:05:56 < dongs> but atmel has nothign except MCUs and some touchsense shit
2016-01-14T03:05:57 < upgrdman> what do you mean? the arduino kids aren't keeping atmel afloat?
2016-01-14T03:06:00 < dongs> microshit at least does other stuff
2016-01-14T03:06:54 < kakimir> atmel does stuff for makers
2016-01-14T03:08:13 < kakimir> what chinese clone perfectly already
2016-01-14T03:08:41 < kakimir> should there be a problems openings lpcxpresso project in eclipse?
2016-01-14T03:09:15 < kakimir> should have done it instantly after boilerplate was done
2016-01-14T03:09:54 < kakimir> eclipse version numbering: Mars.1
2016-01-14T03:11:17 < dongs> man Italian post sucks cock
2016-01-14T03:11:22 < dongs> dude shipped shit on 7th
2016-01-14T03:11:26 < dongs> it just left italy on 12th
2016-01-14T03:11:41 < kakimir> weekend?
2016-01-14T03:11:45 < dongs> how the fuck does it take 5 days
2016-01-14T03:11:53 < dongs> weekend of what?
2016-01-14T03:12:15 < kakimir> still unreasonable
2016-01-14T03:12:24 < kakimir> it's italy
2016-01-14T03:12:43 < kakimir> damn sicily is hot in july
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2016-01-14T03:14:48 < dongs> http://www.dealsheet.com/deals/140m-sale-of-newport-media-to-atmel
2016-01-14T03:14:51 < dongs> atmel bought this shit for some reason
2016-01-14T03:14:53 < dongs> they make TV tuners
2016-01-14T03:15:24 < dongs> http://ir.atmel.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=857896
2016-01-14T03:15:57 < dongs> and i guess some internet of dicks shit
2016-01-14T03:17:30 < dongs> http://www.atmel.com/products/digital-broadcast/
2016-01-14T03:17:31 < dongs> haha
2016-01-14T03:17:34 < dongs> design center in EGYPT
2016-01-14T03:17:36 < dongs> da fuq
2016-01-14T03:26:32 < kakimir> hi tek center
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2016-01-14T03:41:34 < kakimir> lpcxpresso sucked that open shiet into itself
2016-01-14T03:41:57 < kakimir> I installed GDB plugin to it and now it should..
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2016-01-14T03:53:30 < kakimir> hmm lpcxpresso has power gauges and everything
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2016-01-14T04:03:56 < kakimir> I'm so kclose now
2016-01-14T04:13:14 < kakimir> so when it says it cant connect to shit it cant
2016-01-14T04:14:15 < kakimir> there has to be always the phase when debug probe makes trouble
2016-01-14T04:14:51 < Laurenceb_> emdrive totally busted
2016-01-14T04:14:52 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39004.msg1473992#msg1473992
2016-01-14T04:15:05 < kakimir> who got the money?
2016-01-14T04:15:59 < Laurenceb_> shawyer got my tax money :(
2016-01-14T04:16:14 < Laurenceb_> emdrive was funded by UK government
2016-01-14T04:16:36 < kakimir> are you proud?
2016-01-14T04:16:58 < Laurenceb_> lolno
2016-01-14T04:16:59 < kakimir> island kingdom is all about scamming anyways
2016-01-14T04:17:05 < Laurenceb_> yup
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2016-01-14T04:25:18 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKeHB3a05iNFZYa0U/view?usp=sharing I'm done for the night
2016-01-14T04:27:41 < upgrdman> typical evening in Norway   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l285JDSiOOo
2016-01-14T04:31:52 < dongs> rofl
2016-01-14T04:32:17 < Laurenceb_> foam troll
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2016-01-14T04:44:45 < kakimir> not enought oxygen
2016-01-14T04:45:50 < kakimir> there should have been explosion
2016-01-14T04:49:47 < kakimir> I would mix gasoline and glyserine and then use pressure air and hose filled with hundreds of little holes submerged in the mixture
2016-01-14T04:50:11 < kakimir> maybe use higher oxygen mixture instead of air
2016-01-14T04:52:42 < dongs> hes too busy dickstarting
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2016-01-14T05:04:16 < Rob235> doo   be     doo be doo
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2016-01-14T05:11:19 < upgrdman> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Screen-Module-Mega2560-Available-Arduino/dp/B0182CGH40/ref=sr_1_131?ie=UTF8&qid=1452673613&sr=8-131&keywords=arduino
2016-01-14T05:12:50 < dongs> http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=ASX340AT so pro
2016-01-14T05:13:24 < dongs> retweeted your amazon link everywhere after sanitizing it
2016-01-14T05:13:24 < dongs> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0182CGH40/
2016-01-14T05:13:49 < upgrdman> :)
2016-01-14T05:14:13 < dongs> lol @ product review
2016-01-14T05:16:07 < Rob235> haha
2016-01-14T05:16:43 < Rob235> its been up for 2 months
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2016-01-14T05:39:56 < Rob235> this is a first draft.  I have to switch some pins around and neatly space everything but is there anything wrong with something like this?
2016-01-14T05:39:56 < Rob235> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/99345853/pcb02.jpg
2016-01-14T05:40:17 < upgrdman> wtf
2016-01-14T05:40:57 < Rob235> whats wrong with it?
2016-01-14T05:41:03 < Rob235> its a shield so it has to be this big
2016-01-14T05:41:30 < Rob235> I just used auto route :)
2016-01-14T05:41:45 < Rob235> diptrace
2016-01-14T05:42:02 < Rob235> what would
2016-01-14T05:42:24 < dongs> R2COM: i used https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Edit when it was for DOS
2016-01-14T05:42:59 < dongs> now i just use notepad.exe or gvim.exe
2016-01-14T05:43:16 < dongs> i love african software
2016-01-14T05:43:32 < ds2> sounds like cheap OrCAD will be available once again
2016-01-14T05:43:41 < dongs> yeah dedsrs. i have hte "open with vim" thing on right click menu and thats what i view/edit everything wiht
2016-01-14T05:44:06 < dongs> surely it cvan
2016-01-14T05:45:07 < dongs> its syntax highlighting my .v files
2016-01-14T05:45:40 < dongs> ah duno
2016-01-14T05:45:48 < dongs> i write proper code from start
2016-01-14T05:45:51 < dongs> so i dont need to reindent later
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2016-01-14T05:49:18 < Rob235> yea, mine does look a little retarded, doesn't it
2016-01-14T05:49:34 < Rob235> I think my autorouter was drinking
2016-01-14T05:53:01 < dongs> even orcad colorscheme is fucking gross
2016-01-14T05:53:06 < dongs> gross shitsoft
2016-01-14T05:53:51 < ReadError> powerdick in 7 mins
2016-01-14T05:53:56 < ReadError> you gon be rich R2COM?
2016-01-14T05:55:02 < dongs> not with diffpairs/highspeed shit
2016-01-14T05:55:08 < dongs> orcocoks with highspeed shit is like 30k
2016-01-14T05:56:11 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/4GDF0vf.jpg
2016-01-14T05:57:04 < dongs> it does
2016-01-14T05:57:06 < dongs> it can
2016-01-14T05:57:20 < dongs> i know you didnt
2016-01-14T05:57:23 < dongs> cuz you hate prosoft
2016-01-14T05:59:25 < ReadError> maybe ur pc sucks
2016-01-14T05:59:33 < dongs> so basically youre saying you're a lying jew who claims altium costs more than ORCAD and does less
2016-01-14T05:59:55 < dongs> when in fact altium costs less
2016-01-14T05:59:56 < dongs> and does more
2016-01-14T06:00:13 < dongs> but orcadprop has about as many features as eagle
2016-01-14T06:01:00 < dongs> altidong push works just fine
2016-01-14T06:01:04 < dongs> i use it all the fuckign time
2016-01-14T06:01:08 < dongs> it evne follows drc rules
2016-01-14T06:01:09 < dongs> yes it does
2016-01-14T06:01:16 < dongs> how the fuck do I use it wrong if it WORKS
2016-01-14T06:01:32 < dongs> orcad on the other hand even looks liek shit from the moment you start it
2016-01-14T06:02:04 < dongs> me too
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2016-01-14T06:03:02 < dongs> then why do I have all these perfectly matched 1.5gbps difflanes on this board
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2016-01-14T06:03:37 < dongs> nope, all i had to do was enter matched length for netclass
2016-01-14T06:03:46 < dongs> and it did it precisely
2016-01-14T06:04:12 < dongs> infact, r16 did better than r15 because there it would be +- a few 0.01 mil but in latest version they're all exactly same length
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2016-01-14T06:15:27 < dongs> no idea
2016-01-14T06:15:30 < dongs> i use irccloud
2016-01-14T06:15:33 < dongs> lol!!!!1
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2016-01-14T06:21:51 < upgrdman> any of you guys used skype?
2016-01-14T06:22:20 < upgrdman> coworkers in .cn wants me to use skype for conferencing
2016-01-14T06:22:28 < upgrdman> i fear aids if i install it on my phone
2016-01-14T06:22:50 < upgrdman> seems like ~all social media and messaging apps want like 100% permissions to eveything on my phone
2016-01-14T06:22:51 < upgrdman> ya
2016-01-14T06:23:26 < upgrdman> i dont want every motherfucking app flipping through my junk
2016-01-14T06:24:06 < upgrdman> ya i dont use many phone apps
2016-01-14T06:24:16 < ReadError> ask RMS about skype
2016-01-14T06:24:17 < upgrdman> chrome + youtube + pdf reader = 98% of my phone use
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2016-01-14T06:28:01 < dongs> upgrdman: skyone on assdroid is awful
2016-01-14T06:28:05 < dongs> but yeah no choice
2016-01-14T06:28:09 < dongs> er skype
2016-01-14T06:28:16 < upgrdman> sykone == skype?
2016-01-14T06:28:29 < dongs> yeah that. mistype. too stoned
2016-01-14T06:28:32 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-14T06:29:04 < englishman> Skype is horrible malware
2016-01-14T06:29:28 < dongs> upgrdman: wechat should also work wiht chinks
2016-01-14T06:29:29 < englishman> grindr
2016-01-14T06:29:36 < dongs> unless b y conferencing they acutally mean like vidoe/voice
2016-01-14T06:29:45 < dongs> for shatting wechat has web thing so you can just use it from any desktop
2016-01-14T06:29:55 < dongs> and all chinks should have it
2016-01-14T06:30:20 < dongs> er?
2016-01-14T06:30:29 < dongs> i was trolling about ircloud lol i have no idea
2016-01-14T06:33:13 < englishman> real men use weechat
2016-01-14T06:33:52 < dongs> no thats some lunix shitware
2016-01-14T06:34:09 < dongs> WeeChat is a fast, light and extensible chat client. It runs on many platforms like Linux, Unix, BSD, GNU Hurd, Mac OS X and Windows (cygwin).
2016-01-14T06:34:13 < dongs> GNU HURD mentioned
2016-01-14T06:34:18 < upgrdman> dongs, ya i've got wechat already. maybe i'll just go that route
2016-01-14T06:34:21 < dongs> instantly disqualified
2016-01-14T06:34:46 < dongs> web.wechat.com
2016-01-14T06:34:51 < dongs> and scan the QR dongie
2016-01-14T06:34:56 < dongs> shits pretty pro
2016-01-14T06:55:55 < upgrdman> sweet pc case  http://i.imgur.com/No8SaV4.jpg
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2016-01-14T08:03:17 < dongs> zyp, im assuming 560n is 560nH since its a coil right
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2016-01-14T08:15:02 < dongs> whats so specail about 27.12MHz xtal
2016-01-14T08:16:06 < dongs> http://en.adtec-rf.com/product/rf-generator/600w-2712
2016-01-14T08:16:31 < dongs> http://www.microsemi.com/document-portal/doc_view/123626-drf1200-27-12mhz-reference-design-kit cool board
2016-01-14T08:19:33 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/DzCogyM.jpg attn upgrdman
2016-01-14T08:19:35 < PeterM> i figure its probably in an ism band, being 2x 13.56mhz
2016-01-14T08:20:20 < dongs> its for zyp's shitty NFC thing
2016-01-14T08:20:33 < dongs> is nfc at 13.5mhz?
2016-01-14T08:20:45 < dongs> looks like it
2016-01-14T08:36:59 < dongs> zyp: we talked about CR95HF-VMD5T and ST95HF which one did you want?
2016-01-14T08:39:23 < dongs> zyp: reply all that shit to email, im out dicknplacing away from irc
2016-01-14T08:39:23 < dongs> thanx
2016-01-14T08:39:25 < dongs> bbl
2016-01-14T08:39:36 < upgrdman> dongs, jesus fuck
2016-01-14T08:39:50 < upgrdman> it took me a minute to figure out what i was looking at
2016-01-14T08:39:54 < dongs> ror
2016-01-14T08:40:03 < dongs> doubletake of the year amirite
2016-01-14T08:40:33 < upgrdman> rite
2016-01-14T08:40:59 < dongs> kk, gone
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2016-01-14T09:37:49 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/gallery/YToAPOZ
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2016-01-14T09:43:48 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/gallery/DzCogyM
2016-01-14T09:43:51 < ReadError> took me a sec on this
2016-01-14T09:48:20 < PeterM> ReadError, i've seen  pics of disfigured people/people with severe birth defrects etc that jsut look liek random masses of flesh?
2016-01-14T09:48:34 < PeterM> that is what i thought that dude was when i first saw it
2016-01-14T09:48:59 < ReadError> lol nope, just a bald guy
2016-01-14T09:49:12 < ReadError> i thought it was someone taking a shit on a baby
2016-01-14T09:49:48 < PeterM> yeah it took me  a while to work out the random lump of flesh was a bald guy - there isn't very good lighting so not many shadows for visual cues
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2016-01-14T10:14:08 < PaulFertser> Anybody worked with Advantis PNP machines? They're using 1394dcam cameras but how one assigns specific cams to specific functions?
2016-01-14T10:18:57 < Rob235> anyone familiar with the bmp280 pressure sensor? There is a status register that tells you when a conversion is running or when calibration data is being copied. Is that even needed in normal mode? Can't you just read it whenever you want as long as it's a burst read?
2016-01-14T10:21:02 < ReadError> Rob235 check the baseflight code
2016-01-14T10:21:10 < ReadError> believe its supported there
2016-01-14T10:21:59 < Rob235> found it thanks i'll check it out
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2016-01-14T10:32:58 < Rob235> ahh they use forced mode, not normal mode
2016-01-14T10:35:52 < Rob235> I dont care, I'm not using it, no one else seems to
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2016-01-14T12:54:33 < Fleck> lorenzo: cool, but, DELIVERY CHARGE: 20,00 € from mouser :P
2016-01-14T12:56:06 < ReadError> buy more stuff! free
2016-01-14T12:56:55 < lorenzo> Fleck: odd, I only paid 6 eur
2016-01-14T12:57:12 < lorenzo> try a closer store :p
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2016-01-14T13:04:29 < Fleck> lorenzo: I did, contry near me, still, 20€ :D
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2016-01-14T13:06:30 < karlp> mouser's really spotty with where they ship free to, and what the limits are.
2016-01-14T13:06:42 < karlp> but yeah, the l4 disco demo is pretty neat
2016-01-14T13:07:37 < zyp> karlp, you just live in the wrong country ;)
2016-01-14T13:07:42 < lorenzo> yup, there's also (flaky) mbed support
2016-01-14T13:07:47 < lorenzo> if you ever need it :)
2016-01-14T13:08:06 < lorenzo> looks like there are two revisions of this board, with user peripherals in different positions, and mbed.org got the old one
2016-01-14T13:08:27 < lorenzo> that's why the .h definitions in mine aren't working, but anyway, I'm setting it up with the stm32 hal drivers now
2016-01-14T13:09:57 < karlp> I just hate that the mbed.htm files on all the boards takes you to a page that requires you to login first.
2016-01-14T13:10:01 < karlp> stupid mbed.
2016-01-14T13:10:24 < lorenzo> karlp: that file has a redirect to automatically add the mbed board to your dev account
2016-01-14T13:10:27 < lorenzo> I guess that's why
2016-01-14T13:10:51 < karlp> still shitty
2016-01-14T13:10:55 < lorenzo> looks like the bootloader has also been quite improved, since I can write .bin files into it directly on this stm32l4
2016-01-14T13:11:04 < lorenzo> I couldn't with LPC11U35 dev boards, unless I windows
2016-01-14T13:11:16 < karlp> that's not th ebootloader, that's the stlink mbed compatible firmware
2016-01-14T13:11:33 < karlp> where do you see this two revs of the board?
2016-01-14T13:11:38 < lorenzo> ah, so I'm writing on the embedded st-link and then it flashes the chip
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2016-01-14T13:12:10 < lorenzo> karlp: when I got mine connected to mbed and I tried loading a few programs none worked, and I got "Bad pin selection" or something along the lines of that in serial/debug output
2016-01-14T13:12:16 < karlp> yeah, stlink v2.1 presents the mass storage device, stlink, and cdc-acm interfaces
2016-01-14T13:12:19 < lorenzo> as if I was setting a GPIO that doesn't exist
2016-01-14T13:12:45 < lorenzo> they're also showing user LEDs in different position compared to where I have them on my board
2016-01-14T13:13:10 < karlp> huh, the docs from ST mention that early shipments had a busted bootloader on the l4 itself, but nothing like that.
2016-01-14T13:13:37 < lorenzo> strange. could be that mbed got the mapping plain wrong then
2016-01-14T13:13:51 < karlp> quite likely.
2016-01-14T13:14:13 < karlp> "When the board is extracted from its plastic bag, please check that no component remains
2016-01-14T13:14:16 < karlp> in the bag"
2016-01-14T13:14:52 < lorenzo> karlp: is there a components to verify?
2016-01-14T13:15:34 < jpa-> jumpers? :P
2016-01-14T13:15:53 < lorenzo> no I mean, when they state something like this there's usually a "what-could-be-missing" section
2016-01-14T13:16:01 < lorenzo> like socketed stuff
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2016-01-14T14:38:15 < karlp> lorenzo: jpa had it, it was referring to some jumpers on the board
2016-01-14T14:39:00 < lorenzo> karlp: ah I see, thanks. yes there's plenty of jumpers indeed
2016-01-14T14:39:10 < lorenzo> I tink it allows you to isolate the board and use the st-link portion alone
2016-01-14T14:39:22 < lorenzo> without having to hacksaw like NXP boards :p
2016-01-14T14:39:29 < karlp> yes, like all discovery boards.
2016-01-14T14:41:00 < jpa-> except F7 discovery
2016-01-14T14:41:38 < qyx> cut the lcd in half
2016-01-14T14:42:46 < lorenzo> F7 is the minimum for onboard ethernet?
2016-01-14T14:42:50 < qyx> mhm, it would be nice to have a stm32 with an e-ink controller
2016-01-14T14:43:13 < jpa-> every stm32 is an e-ink controller :P
2016-01-14T14:43:23 < qyx> I mean a more native one
2016-01-14T14:44:27 < jpa-> might as well have stm32 with integrated fpga
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2016-01-14T17:18:25 < dongs> < lorenzo> F7 is the minimum for onboard ethernet?
2016-01-14T17:18:27 < dongs> wat
2016-01-14T17:18:32 < dongs> no, ethernet from F105 and up
2016-01-14T17:18:33 < dongs> or 107?
2016-01-14T17:18:38 < gxti> 107
2016-01-14T17:18:48 < gxti> 105 is the same cpu but no etherbutt
2016-01-14T17:18:56 < karlp> he meant on disco boards.
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2016-01-14T17:19:04 < lorenzo> aha, so just add external magnets/magjack thing and it's usable?
2016-01-14T17:19:08 < karlp> or, that's what I thought he meant anyway
2016-01-14T17:19:11 < karlp> oh well :)
2016-01-14T17:19:14 < gxti> well waveshare has that motherboard thingy
2016-01-14T17:19:27 < gxti> probably not cost effective if there's a discovery board that comes with etherbutt builtin thoug
2016-01-14T17:19:30 < zyp> doesn't that newest f4 disco board also have ethernet?
2016-01-14T17:19:32 < lorenzo> yeah I meant on-chip
2016-01-14T17:19:35 < lorenzo> not necessairly on-board
2016-01-14T17:19:39 < lorenzo> sorry
2016-01-14T17:19:46 < dongs> er?
2016-01-14T17:19:52 < dongs> none of them are on-chip?
2016-01-14T17:19:52 < zyp> ah, no
2016-01-14T17:19:57 < dongs> they all need external phy, right?
2016-01-14T17:20:04 < dongs> does F7 have ethernet phy inside?
2016-01-14T17:20:05 < zyp> dongs, yes, but on-chip mac
2016-01-14T17:20:05 < gxti> you're reading too much into it dongs :p
2016-01-14T17:20:11 < dongs> im being trolled
2016-01-14T17:20:13 < dongs> i think
2016-01-14T17:20:15 < zyp> haha
2016-01-14T17:20:33 < dongs> zyp, so wat to do
2016-01-14T17:20:39 < dongs> ST and L052 are not really looking good
2016-01-14T17:20:45 < lorenzo> ah yeah phy is off chip
2016-01-14T17:21:08 < zyp> dongs, how's it looking long term?
2016-01-14T17:21:32 < zyp> mouser is fine for now, since price doesn't matter too much for prototype qty anyway
2016-01-14T17:21:41 < dongs> i'd have to check tomrorwo. F05x/7x is probably better long-term / availbiltiy wise
2016-01-14T17:21:47 < dongs> and ST i can get for production most likely
2016-01-14T17:21:51 < dongs> just cunty on samples
2016-01-14T17:22:10 < dongs> but i can confirm tomrow
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2016-01-14T17:54:12 < ReadError> upgrdman have you tried pre-lameinating pcbs and storing them before etch?
2016-01-14T17:54:28 < ReadError> i kinda just want to do a few so its easier
2016-01-14T17:59:50 < kakimir> how to initialize target for GDB ?
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2016-01-14T18:48:40 < upgrdman> ReadError, ? pre-lam'ing? the board comes with the photofilm already on them.
2016-01-14T18:49:45 < ReadError> oh i have pre-sensitized boards
2016-01-14T18:49:53 < ReadError> but i got the iron on stuff now too
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2016-01-14T20:28:02 < ReadError> gdamn upgrdman
2016-01-14T20:28:05 < ReadError> trying to kill me
2016-01-14T20:28:25 < upgrdman> ?
2016-01-14T20:28:31 < ReadError> measured the HCl in the same thing as the H2O2
2016-01-14T20:28:38 < ReadError> was like germany in 1939
2016-01-14T20:28:45 < upgrdman> bubbled big time?
2016-01-14T20:28:54 < ReadError> visible gas
2016-01-14T20:29:03 < upgrdman> well ya no shit.
2016-01-14T20:29:12 < ReadError> i moved it outside
2016-01-14T20:29:46 < ReadError> next time i measure acid->water->h2o2
2016-01-14T20:30:24 < upgrdman> iirc you should add acid to water
2016-01-14T20:30:31 < upgrdman> not water to acid
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2016-01-14T20:31:00 < ReadError> h2o2->water->acid then
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2016-01-14T20:31:14 < ReadError> just trying to make it not as gassy
2016-01-14T20:31:21 < ReadError> wasnt bad once its mixed
2016-01-14T20:31:46 < upgrdman> it'll get gassy once your stick your copper pcb in :)
2016-01-14T20:31:57 < upgrdman> dont forget that epic video i linked a month ago
2016-01-14T20:32:02 < upgrdman> shitz violent yo
2016-01-14T20:33:13 < ReadError> yea my mix is kinda bitchmode
2016-01-14T20:33:19 < ReadError> its working but not straightdrop
2016-01-14T20:53:02 < ReadError> got more
2016-01-14T20:53:09 < ReadError> splish splash
2016-01-14T20:53:15 < ReadError> fassssttly
2016-01-14T20:54:39 < upgrdman> post pix or vid
2016-01-14T20:54:47 < upgrdman> we need something to chatz about
2016-01-14T20:58:51 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-gDKRvbg/0/X2/CA_01141613572690-X2.jpg
2016-01-14T20:59:00 < ReadError> just some little retarded board I needed
2016-01-14T20:59:21 < ReadError> usb connector, VCC to hook to STM 3.3 for 1.5k pullup
2016-01-14T20:59:44 < ReadError> D+, D-, then vbus for w/e reason
2016-01-14T21:00:52 < upgrdman> so that's a breakout board for mini usb connector?
2016-01-14T21:02:13 < ReadError> ya w/ 3 resistors
2016-01-14T21:02:15 < ReadError> basically lol
2016-01-14T21:02:23 < ReadError> but its something i needed
2016-01-14T21:02:46 < ReadError> all SMT nothing TH to wirejig
2016-01-14T21:02:59 < upgrdman> i guess the resistor pads are nice. but fuck, im lazy. china usb cable -> chop off end -> crimp "dupont" teminals. done.
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2016-01-14T21:05:56 < ReadError> upgrdman, yea but i need the 1.5k pullup to vbus
2016-01-14T21:06:02 < ReadError> err to mcu vcc
2016-01-14T21:06:11 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-14T21:06:28 < ReadError> could be done sure but this is easy enough
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2016-01-14T23:22:05 < Rob235> can you accurately measure altitude change without knowing the pressure at sea level?
2016-01-14T23:28:25 < BrainDamage> you need to recalibrate pressure constantly
2016-01-14T23:28:43 < BrainDamage> because the weather affect it almost as much as the altitude
2016-01-14T23:30:20 < kakimir> main oscillator doesn't come online..
2016-01-14T23:30:31 < fenugrec> "constantly", over short periods atmo pressure doesn't vary that fast. Unless there's a huge low pressure system advancing (onset of a storm / tornado...)
2016-01-14T23:30:52 < kakimir> ReadError: nice usb breakout
2016-01-14T23:31:20 < fenugrec> Rob235 so yes, for altitude deltas, you don't need to know the altimeter setting
2016-01-14T23:31:31 < kakimir> what is the place you are raking the photo ReadError
2016-01-14T23:31:46 < kakimir> in forrest?
2016-01-14T23:32:38 < Rob235> I found this equation: Height = 98.57 * ground_temp_in_kelvin * Ln(ground_pressure / current_pressure)
2016-01-14T23:33:48 < fenugrec> depending on required accuracy and range of operation, you can use a rule of thumb americans are fond of - pressure drops 1 inHg every 1000' you climb p-)
2016-01-14T23:35:14 < fenugrec> it's pretty linear at low altitudes.
2016-01-14T23:36:32 < Rob235> doesn't have to be that accurate I guess but I would like it to be.  If calculated height < cutoff (5 meters) use ultrasonic sensor for height
2016-01-14T23:36:43 < Rob235> so when it needs to be accurate it uses the ultrasonic instead
2016-01-14T23:37:08 < Lux> if you have a second sensor on your remote that would definetly help
2016-01-14T23:37:25 < Lux> but the pressure change due to weather changes is pretty neglible
2016-01-14T23:37:40 < Lux> wind etc is more of a concern imo
2016-01-14T23:37:42 < Rob235> and I'm using the bmp280 which filters the results so it should be ok
2016-01-14T23:37:58 < Lux> and you def need to do sensor fusion with the acc
2016-01-14T23:38:00 < fenugrec> Rob235 if you count on your altimer to bring you withn 5m of ground, you *will* crash
2016-01-14T23:38:22 < Lux> bullshit ;)
2016-01-14T23:38:57 < fenugrec> Lux  - his measurement error is bound to be *at least* 5m. Unless he has a well-engineered static pressure port
2016-01-14T23:39:03 < kakimir> if I measure something like 4Mohm between xtal input and xtal ouput on the board... is it okay?
2016-01-14T23:39:12 < Rob235> hmmm
2016-01-14T23:39:21 < kakimir> per pin to gnd its 78Mohm
2016-01-14T23:39:31 < kakimir> symmetrically
2016-01-14T23:39:34 < Lux> as someone who actually played around with that stuff, i can say it's not that bad
2016-01-14T23:39:50 < Lux> at least in the order of 10s of minutes
2016-01-14T23:39:56 < kakimir> there is local changes in air pressure
2016-01-14T23:39:58 < kakimir> and
2016-01-14T23:40:15 < kakimir> wind can affect measurement setup also
2016-01-14T23:40:49 < Lux> the drift i saw was def <2m mostly a lot less
2016-01-14T23:41:08 < Lux> if you have a second baro on the ground i'd imagine it to be a lot better
2016-01-14T23:41:40 < Lux> unless you have really strong winds/turbulences in your area
2016-01-14T23:41:41 < kakimir> what are you doings???
2016-01-14T23:41:41 < Rob235> I think it will be fine
2016-01-14T23:41:54 < kakimir> zano v2?
2016-01-14T23:41:58 < Rob235> me? flight controller for a hexacopter
2016-01-14T23:42:13 < Lux> Rob235: why no opensores stuff ?
2016-01-14T23:42:14 < fenugrec> a flying crash-waiting-to-happen p-)))
2016-01-14T23:42:36 < Rob235> Lux: for fun and knowledge and experience
2016-01-14T23:42:50 < Rob235> its my first electronics project, wanted to learn
2016-01-14T23:42:58 < Rob235> writing my own libraries too
2016-01-14T23:43:17 < kakimir> ineria navigation with some sort of barometer tune to it
2016-01-14T23:43:24 < Lux> not bad, but that'll take a long time to get right
2016-01-14T23:43:33 < kakimir> then properly shockmount it
2016-01-14T23:43:42 < Lux> the whole sensor fusion/control part can get a bit complicated too
2016-01-14T23:43:43 < kakimir> maybe have 2 mems
2016-01-14T23:43:49 < Rob235> maybe, I'm getting pretty far though
2016-01-14T23:44:01 < kakimir> like pro zano
2016-01-14T23:44:02 < Rob235> yea I opted for a bno055 that fuses gyro/accel/mag for you
2016-01-14T23:44:27 < Lux> that makes life easier
2016-01-14T23:45:03 < Laurenceb_> kakimir teir page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of_passing_as_female
2016-01-14T23:45:10 < Laurenceb_> kakimir spotted
2016-01-14T23:45:13 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgur.com/haQSdwW.jpg
2016-01-14T23:45:22 < Lux> Rob235: are you documenting it somewhere or just blogging on irc ?
2016-01-14T23:45:51 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: hmm... I need page for rejecting women
2016-01-14T23:46:08 < Rob235> I'll probably put it on github or something when I'm finished and taking some pics/vids
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2016-01-14T23:47:16 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/RYNTrhXSI5s testing the ws2812b led strips, http://imgur.com/a/tiVmU a couple build pics
2016-01-14T23:48:11 < kakimir> those leds look like interference!
2016-01-14T23:49:08 < Rob235> you think so? guess I'll find out
2016-01-14T23:49:58 < fenugrec> well I've seen some more modest "first electronic project"s
2016-01-14T23:51:56 < Rob235> I started this after the drone but it was my first completed project I guess: https://youtu.be/dZhGmGCn2qM  https://youtu.be/5pCws_qsJCs
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2016-01-15T00:00:23 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: I'm not like you no matter how hard you want it
2016-01-15T00:00:49 < Laurenceb_> trolls trolling trolls
2016-01-15T00:01:28 < kakimir> me not trolling now
2016-01-15T00:01:32 < kakimir> serious me
2016-01-15T00:07:53 < kakimir> I wonder if.. i need to power up system oscillator some how
2016-01-15T00:17:25 < kakimir> it takes 5 clocklines to oscillator clock to get into cpu core
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2016-01-15T00:26:35 < kakimir> hmm if I multiply main oscillator 2x what can be maximum output and then divide it with 2 that may cause this
2016-01-15T00:27:03 < kakimir> when I can multiply with 2 to maximum and divide with zero
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2016-01-15T00:31:55 < kakimir> oh I had wrong bit in register as 1 was second bit I had first bit that is oscillator bypass
2016-01-15T00:32:13 < Laurenceb_> ⓉⓇⓊⓂⓅ
2016-01-15T00:32:16 < kakimir> second was frequency ranges
2016-01-15T00:38:16 < kakimir> yes.. it's runnings now
2016-01-15T00:38:38 < kakimir> mainloop reached
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2016-01-15T01:52:01 < karlp> hey dongs, you'll never guess who emailed me asking for help :)
2016-01-15T01:52:36 < karlp> you can probably guess from this: http://bcas.tv/paste/results/g6JV2858.html
2016-01-15T01:54:42 < Laurenceb_> is dat some matchboxarm
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2016-01-15T02:13:48 < dongs> karlp: rofl
2016-01-15T02:14:40 < dongs> i shoulda never let that dumb domain expire
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2016-01-15T02:23:31 < kakimir> how to make this eclipse autocomplete totally agressive?
2016-01-15T02:23:44 < kakimir> it's like... sleeping
2016-01-15T02:23:53 < kakimir> wakes up sometimes
2016-01-15T02:29:19 < dongs> 1) use windows 10 2) use a computer from this century
2016-01-15T02:32:28 < kakimir> win10
2016-01-15T02:32:36 < kakimir> 2015 laptop
2016-01-15T02:32:56 < kakimir> there is no like general type lag at all
2016-01-15T02:35:48 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/n2G7ulE.jpg
2016-01-15T02:36:23 < kakimir> people at right look so sad
2016-01-15T02:42:20 < dongs> Laurenceb_ is t he bringer of olde links
2016-01-15T02:45:07 < kakimir> he found internet 2years ago
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2016-01-15T02:50:51 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/EmDrive/comments/3z6ur4/would_any_builders_or_contributors_be_interested/
2016-01-15T02:51:00 < Laurenceb_> lol top comment
2016-01-15T02:51:26 < Laurenceb_>  "TheTraveller"== Roger Shawyer shill account
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2016-01-15T03:14:19 < upgrdman_> kakimir, you mean like when eclipse takes 5 seconds to popup the autocomplete shitz?
2016-01-15T03:15:54 < kakimir> I found it
2016-01-15T03:16:04 < kakimir> ctrl - space does what I needed
2016-01-15T03:21:58 < kakimir> boom
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2016-01-15T04:01:40 < emeb_mac> R2COM: for what? I've got several
2016-01-15T04:02:41 < emeb_mac> R2COM: for low freq analog stuff I use a Siglent SG1025
2016-01-15T04:03:31 < emeb_mac> for microwave stuff I've got an old HP sweeper with a 10MHz-2.5GHz plugin
2016-01-15T04:03:43 < emeb_mac> yeah that's it
2016-01-15T04:04:08 < emeb_mac> R2COM: sounds about right
2016-01-15T04:04:38 < emeb_mac> R2COM: yeah, and it's not super stable
2016-01-15T04:04:58 < emeb_mac> Great for sweeping out filters, but not much else.
2016-01-15T04:05:52 < dongs> i dont generate signals
2016-01-15T04:05:58 < dongs> not prpo enough
2016-01-15T04:06:22 < dongs> it never was
2016-01-15T04:06:28 < dongs> you should never use gdi, that is true
2016-01-15T04:06:31 < dongs> gdip is still around i believe
2016-01-15T04:06:33 < dongs> thebre was something new tho
2016-01-15T04:06:36 < dongs> and it wasnt direct3d
2016-01-15T04:06:38 < dongs> er 2d
2016-01-15T04:08:19 < dongs> then they have some super garbage cards
2016-01-15T04:08:23 < dongs> direct2d is hw accelerated
2016-01-15T04:08:25 < dongs> unlike GDI
2016-01-15T04:08:34 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-15T04:09:12 < dongs> wmf?
2016-01-15T04:09:21 < dongs> its just a bunch of GDI instructions in some format yeah
2016-01-15T04:09:32 < dongs> vector-ish stuff but could be whatever
2016-01-15T04:09:34 < dongs> dont bother with it
2016-01-15T04:10:18 < fenugrec> R2COM maybe SDL is still a thing. Portable, "opensores" like you guys say
2016-01-15T04:10:39 < dongs> haha fuck right off
2016-01-15T04:10:40 < dongs> SDL is garbage
2016-01-15T04:10:47 < fenugrec> hahahah
2016-01-15T04:10:49 < dongs> R2COM: youre using C# or wahtever?
2016-01-15T04:10:55 < dongs> or native
2016-01-15T04:11:04 < dongs> yeah just go for direct2d then
2016-01-15T04:11:15 < dongs> or gdi+
2016-01-15T04:11:31 < dongs> i wonder if gdi+ has gpu accelerated backing on newer windows releases
2016-01-15T04:11:34 < dongs> didnt look into it enough
2016-01-15T04:12:03 < fenugrec> Simple Dong Layer
2016-01-15T04:12:10 < dongs> they last updated docs for it in 2012
2016-01-15T04:12:56 < dongs> Conclusion
2016-01-15T04:12:56 < dongs> Existing GDI code will continue to work well under Windows 7. However, when writing new graphics rendering code, Direct2D should be considered, as it takes better advantage of modern GPUs.
2016-01-15T04:13:07 < dongs> there you go
2016-01-15T04:13:09 < dongs> straight from microsoft.
2016-01-15T04:13:10 < dongs> so yeah.
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2016-01-15T04:24:07 < kakimir> is there a way to transfer like.. transfer timers running time without like losing or gaining value but like keep the "time"
2016-01-15T04:25:23 < kakimir> does it require assembly?
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2016-01-15T04:28:36 < kakimir> I think it requires use of some kind of event
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2016-01-15T04:38:56 < upgrdman> lol
2016-01-15T04:39:25 < upgrdman> i wonder if thata the only reason shit t&m gear has themed gui's... so they can be slightly tweaked and resold to suckers.
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2016-01-15T04:44:33 < dongs> http://www.mi.com/note3/ haha, fuckin china clonin'
2016-01-15T04:45:10 < dongs> $136 for 5.5" 1080piss, wifi-ac, and 4000mAh batt
2016-01-15T04:46:12 < ReadError> https://youtu.be/uZ3VdooS2NA?t=308
2016-01-15T04:46:44 < upgrdman> dongs, fucking idiots. its not even a "note" without a stylus.
2016-01-15T04:46:49  * upgrdman loves his note 5
2016-01-15T04:47:07 < ReadError> notes are like pocket tablets right?
2016-01-15T04:47:11 < upgrdman> yes
2016-01-15T04:47:13 < upgrdman> with stylus
2016-01-15T04:47:26 < upgrdman> and YES the stylus is good and super useful (for me)
2016-01-15T04:47:56 < ReadError> seems like you would need a little man purse
2016-01-15T04:48:04 < dongs> upgrdman: idgaf, its $136, and I couldnt care lessa bout a fucking stylus
2016-01-15T04:48:13 < ReadError> like i couldnt see jamming that thing down my skinnyjeans
2016-01-15T04:48:18 < upgrdman> ReadError, fits in a pocket just fine
2016-01-15T04:48:23 < dongs> nerdpocket
2016-01-15T04:48:28 < upgrdman> ya... not for faggotjeans.
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2016-01-15T04:50:45 < Amperture> Screw it! I'll write my own peripheral library! With blackjack! And hookers!
2016-01-15T04:51:01 < Amperture> Actually, are we allowed to link our own shit here?
2016-01-15T04:51:16 < Amperture> http://amperture.com/?p=74
2016-01-15T04:51:17 < upgrdman> Amperture, of course. we all do.
2016-01-15T04:53:05 < Amperture> Delays in the shift register latch?
2016-01-15T04:54:18 < Amperture> Now that you mention it, since a 595 uses edge detection for the latch, it does seem redundant.
2016-01-15T04:54:54 < emeb_mac> R2COM: yeah - arb waves are possible, I've never needed or tried tried it.
2016-01-15T04:55:22 < emeb_mac> R2COM: and I've seen Lecroy relabels siglent on a lot of stuff.
2016-01-15T04:55:58 < emeb_mac> R2COM: yep - just buy siglent, pay less $$
2016-01-15T04:56:00 < Amperture> It's not in a loop
2016-01-15T04:56:30 < Amperture> Oh the crawling light loop
2016-01-15T04:56:58 < Amperture> Because the example is a crawling light, send the data for the entire SR.
2016-01-15T04:57:04 < Amperture> Then latch it, edit the data
2016-01-15T04:57:12 < fenugrec> Lecroy relabels, or siglent clones ?
2016-01-15T04:57:51 < Amperture> I'm watching it working on my desk right now
2016-01-15T04:58:31 < Amperture> The example is for a shift register
2016-01-15T04:58:37 < Amperture> a 74HC595
2016-01-15T04:58:46 < Amperture> A 595 doesn't need a read
2016-01-15T05:00:28 < Amperture> It's not written yet, since I don't have equipment to test, but I can't imagine it's difficult to implement a read function.
2016-01-15T05:00:50 < Amperture> while(!(SPIx -> SR * SPI_SR_RXNE));
2016-01-15T05:01:00 < Amperture> return SPIx -> DR;
2016-01-15T05:01:21 < Amperture> To read the SPI
2016-01-15T05:01:35 < Amperture> What?
2016-01-15T05:01:54 < Amperture> A shift register is write-only
2016-01-15T05:01:58 < Amperture> There's no need to read.
2016-01-15T05:02:38 < Amperture> You loop on either RXNE or TXE to make sure you're not fucking with the DR when you shouldn't.
2016-01-15T05:02:51 < Amperture> Then you either return the DR value, or write to it, accordingly
2016-01-15T05:03:29 < Amperture> Then what should I be doing?
2016-01-15T05:04:03 < Amperture> Oh okay. Slave Selection.
2016-01-15T05:06:59 < Amperture> ok ok
2016-01-15T05:08:21 < Amperture> Okay, sincere question.
2016-01-15T05:09:26 < Amperture> I've not encountered chips that use SPI that you read from, only write to.
2016-01-15T05:09:44 < fenugrec> Amperture try an SPI EEPROM
2016-01-15T05:10:18 < Amperture> So: I noticed an "addr" var. Which I assume is for an address. Is a chip address necessary when SPI utilizes slave select?
2016-01-15T05:11:19 < Amperture> fenugrec, thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into picking a few up.
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2016-01-15T05:11:49 < fenugrec> Amperture I meant that as in "SPI EEPROMs are a popular use scenario"
2016-01-15T05:12:55 < Amperture> I never said it wasn't a popular scenario.
2016-01-15T05:13:21 < Amperture> I just said I've never encountered it. I'm still basically a student at this shit.
2016-01-15T05:14:04 < Amperture> I'm admitting I have less experience interfacing hardware than you do. That's not an insult.
2016-01-15T05:15:23 < fenugrec> Amperture no stress, I just read "never encoured SPI ICs you read from" and named the first example I thought of
2016-01-15T05:15:49 < Amperture> I'm working with a "I work at Walmart" budget and lab experience.
2016-01-15T05:17:31 < Amperture> For example the only things I have right now that use SPI are shift registers and (I think...it should be in my desk somewhere) a single DAC.
2016-01-15T05:18:38 < Amperture> So my big thing right now is actually going to be acquiring hardware that utilizes those peripherals.
2016-01-15T05:19:03 < Amperture> I actually don't have anything to test i2c, really.
2016-01-15T05:19:24 < fenugrec> I2C EEPROMs p-))
2016-01-15T05:20:06 < Amperture> Tell me there are UART EEPROMs :P
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2016-01-15T05:27:35 < Amperture> Anyway, looking over R2COM's code: that long sequence could theoretically be utilized by my libs. Only difference really is I check TXE and RXNE before I write to DR, rather than after, which I was taught is better for speed if sending single bytes.
2016-01-15T05:29:12 < Amperture> I could change it so that both Read and Write single byte functions both check RXNE and TXE, which seems appropriate anyway.
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2016-01-15T06:17:06 < ReadError> R2COM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRfP_TEQ-g
2016-01-15T06:17:10 < ReadError> are you AMPED
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2016-01-15T08:45:18 < upgrdman> typical jap woman   https://youtu.be/j3GDZwixovw?t=64
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2016-01-15T09:43:39 < ReadError> lol wtf
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2016-01-15T09:58:42 < PeterM> friday arvo, get home get a beer  out of fridge, click ReadError's trump link, realize ill need mroe than jsut hte beer
2016-01-15T10:01:05 < ReadError> i wonder how it got that far without anyone saying "hey, this probably isnt a great idea"
2016-01-15T10:05:07 < PeterM> the beer or trump?
2016-01-15T10:05:14 < PeterM> *my alcoholism
2016-01-15T10:07:19 < ReadError> trump
2016-01-15T10:07:31 < ReadError> <upgrdman> typical jap woman   https://youtu.be/j3GDZwixovw?t=64
2016-01-15T10:07:33 < ReadError> that too
2016-01-15T10:07:56 < ReadError> if she wanted some that bad sure someone would be able to hook some real stuff up free
2016-01-15T10:08:50 < PeterM> im not sure if people genuinely like trump or are just going with the satirical approach
2016-01-15T10:09:52 < ReadError> oh im sure people do
2016-01-15T10:10:24 < PeterM> but on the internet? i mean surely anyone able to competently use a computer would know better...
2016-01-15T10:11:40 < ReadError> just look at his clan rallys and how many tards show up
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2016-01-15T10:12:27 < PeterM> i stil think that could be satirical
2016-01-15T10:14:46 < PeterM> like "hey buddy, wanna get smashed and go the the trump rally and fuck around? "sure, why not, it'll be hilarious"
2016-01-15T10:15:34 < PeterM> if not satirical, ateleast not genuine
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2016-01-15T10:28:08 < ReadError> maybe some
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2016-01-15T10:28:18 < ReadError> but a lot of people really think he would be a good president
2016-01-15T10:28:24 < ReadError> or just hate him less than hillary
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2016-01-15T11:41:20 < celeron55> isn't the US elections mostly about which of the two alternatives you hate the least
2016-01-15T11:41:57 < celeron55> it's a miracle the country even continues to exist
2016-01-15T12:12:15 < karlp> heh, bogdan now wants even more, "Or if you have time, please make a port to coocox."
2016-01-15T12:12:20 < karlp> isn't coocox just an IDE?
2016-01-15T12:12:39 < PaulFertser> Who's bogdan?
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2016-01-15T12:14:39 < jpa-> karlp: i think they have some coocoocoo-os also
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2016-01-15T12:22:40 < karlp> bogdan from matchbox arm sent me a request to help him port my freemodbus example from l1 to f1, and promised me a matchbox arm board in return.
2016-01-15T12:24:19 < zyp> haha
2016-01-15T12:24:38 < karlp> while I was asleep it's "yeah, coocox too plz kthx"
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2016-01-15T12:26:22 < PaulFertser> I think coocox integrates with the st shitlibrary.
2016-01-15T12:36:26 < dongs> lol.
2016-01-15T12:36:27 < dongs> so
2016-01-15T12:36:35 < dongs> im looking at jerkware bootloader again
2016-01-15T12:36:43 < dongs> because it was failing to bootload half the time right
2016-01-15T12:37:01 < dongs> notice they're switching shitSPI to 4MHz after init of bootloader, but only 2.5MHz after init in userspace.
2016-01-15T12:37:35 < jpa-> though 4MHz is peanuts to sd cards
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2016-01-15T12:39:16 < dongs> jpa, not on LPC apparently
2016-01-15T12:39:19 < dongs> shit was bugging out half the time
2016-01-15T12:39:26 < dongs> but then again the clonerguy here has SD card like half a meter away
2016-01-15T12:54:21 < jpa-> luls
2016-01-15T12:54:43 < jpa-> does the lpc even have adjustable slew rate?
2016-01-15T12:57:31 < dongs> naw
2016-01-15T12:57:34 < dongs> he has it buffered
2016-01-15T12:57:39 < dongs> but its still faling
2016-01-15T12:57:46 < dongs> buffered via one of those 4bit shits
2016-01-15T12:57:53 < dongs> anyway, that was the reason
2016-01-15T12:58:04 < dongs> ugh their code sooo ugly
2016-01-15T12:58:14 < dongs> duno wat i should do, i wanna fix some of it
2016-01-15T12:58:37 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/3I7Aix54.html
2016-01-15T12:58:39 < dongs> why??????????????
2016-01-15T12:58:44 < jpa-> with buffering you'd probably especially need series termination resistors
2016-01-15T12:59:02 < dongs> jpa, liek wat?
2016-01-15T12:59:27 < dongs> found pdf
2016-01-15T12:59:34 < jpa-> like 50 ohm or something on each pin in the transmitting end (so MOSI, SCK, CS near the buffer and MISO near the card)
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2016-01-15T13:00:33 < jpa-> otherwise the sharp edges the buffer makes will reflect back from the end of the line
2016-01-15T13:01:45 < dongs> ah looks like he has buffer on the controller
2016-01-15T13:01:48 < dongs> then like half a meter to sd
2016-01-15T13:01:50 < dongs> and no buffer there
2016-01-15T13:01:59 < dongs> shouldnt itb e ther other way around?
2016-01-15T13:02:31 < jpa-> i doubt he really needs the buffer anyway
2016-01-15T13:03:30 < jpa-> at 4MHz one is more likely to have too fast drivers than too slow
2016-01-15T13:03:56 < dongs> wait no, teh buffer is by the card
2016-01-15T13:04:09 < dongs> yeah i dunowhy its there.
2016-01-15T13:04:13 < dongs> im just looking at this cloner shit
2016-01-15T13:05:17 < jpa-> LPC1769 drives its pins with 3 ns rise/fall; so you're going to need to pay attention to termination when wires are longer than 20 cm or so
2016-01-15T13:05:21 < jpa-> the buffer might drive even faster
2016-01-15T13:05:33 < jpa-> which chip is the buffer?
2016-01-15T13:05:49 < dongs> txb0104
2016-01-15T13:05:50 < dongs> checking
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2016-01-15T13:05:54 < jpa-> the buffer might be a copy-paste leftover from some 5V arduino schematic :P
2016-01-15T13:06:09 < jpa-> yeah, looks like it
2016-01-15T13:06:52 < jpa-> so around 1ns.. yeah, resistor time
2016-01-15T13:07:04 < dongs> okay
2016-01-15T13:07:20 < jpa-> i guess 100 ohm resistors would be the normal first guess for random flat cable
2016-01-15T13:08:16 < dongs> ya its a long-ass fpc
2016-01-15T13:09:07 < dongs> cool. thankies. dude is bowing and wishes you long live and prosper
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2016-01-15T13:44:04 < ReadError> anyone ever seen a tool/method of doing a 'diff' on gerbs
2016-01-15T13:44:27 < ReadError> besides using gerbv and enabling/disabling trying to spot the difference
2016-01-15T13:45:27 < fenugrec> generate two images, do a subtract or XOR ? still a bit lame
2016-01-15T13:47:37 < jpa-> one could automatize that relatively easily
2016-01-15T13:48:07 < jpa-> one way is to print it all out, write "spot 5 differences" at the top and give it to a child
2016-01-15T13:49:49 < ReadError> yea just figured "theres an app for that" kinda thing but I suppose its not too common
2016-01-15T13:51:03 < jpa-> google finds atleast this: http://www.evilmadscientist.com/2011/improving-open-source-hardware-visual-diffs/
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2016-01-15T14:04:20 < dongs> my fucking
2016-01-15T14:04:28 < dongs> china rework station IR lamp thing
2016-01-15T14:04:29 < dongs> exploded
2016-01-15T14:04:59 < dongs> i stored it in my server room wehre its cold and then bring it in to my office hwere its warmer, i think the ceramic shit around the lamp base finally crapped out
2016-01-15T14:05:07 < dongs> tried to turn on today, nothing happens
2016-01-15T14:05:19 < dongs> then i went to check wat hte fuck is up and t he whole thing basically shattered
2016-01-15T14:05:21 < __rob> yea, I passed on that one and bought a chemical clamp to hold the hot air ones and wired up a foot pedeal instead
2016-01-15T14:05:34 < dongs> it worked quite well since like 2008
2016-01-15T14:05:40 < __rob> I didn't like the small 'protective' screen in front of the light
2016-01-15T14:05:47 < dongs> HEH
2016-01-15T14:05:47 < __rob> that shit aint tested
2016-01-15T14:05:59 < __rob> at least I know where I am with hot air
2016-01-15T14:06:07 < zyp> full of hot air?
2016-01-15T14:06:08 < dongs> anyway replacement lamp is 30bux, gonna pro back up next week
2016-01-15T14:06:23 < dongs> zyp, haev you decided about the parts
2016-01-15T14:06:25 < dongs> i asked another place
2016-01-15T14:06:34 < dongs> official ST distributor in china cant actually get thaT ST95 shit
2016-01-15T14:06:47 < dongs> so.... they're like 4.xx$ something in jp
2016-01-15T14:06:51 < karlp> ReadError: I've done the "take images, ask imagemagick to highlight the differences"
2016-01-15T14:07:16 < karlp> even plugged it into git and eagle so you can do "git diff upstream/master" and get it pop up some images in a viewer...
2016-01-15T14:07:31 < dongs> 50:3.57$
2016-01-15T14:07:35 < zyp> dongs, even in volume?
2016-01-15T14:07:42 < karlp> I tried some semantic stuff to catch value changes too, parsing out eagle .xml files...
2016-01-15T14:07:47 < dongs> well, @ 50
2016-01-15T14:08:05 < zyp> hmm, mouser is like $3.84 @100
2016-01-15T14:08:05 < dongs> thats hceapest
2016-01-15T14:08:08 < dongs> lets see verical
2016-01-15T14:08:39 < dongs> you can buy 3k reel @ 2.5162 at verical
2016-01-15T14:08:45 < dongs> 58 available at $3.3330
2016-01-15T14:08:47 < dongs> thats not bad.
2016-01-15T14:08:49 < dongs> i guess.
2016-01-15T14:09:25 < zyp> okay, so availability is not a problem, it's just not super cheap
2016-01-15T14:10:39 < dongs> right
2016-01-15T14:10:49 < dongs> the old CF ones are or wahtever are avialble
2016-01-15T14:10:58 < zyp> how much were they?
2016-01-15T14:11:08 < dongs> shit, like i remember
2016-01-15T14:11:12 < zyp> haha
2016-01-15T14:11:35 < dongs> L0 is $2.02 on verical
2016-01-15T14:11:43 < dongs> im trying ot remember how you ended up at that being cheapest?
2016-01-15T14:11:50 < dongs> cuz surely F0X stuff was cheaper?
2016-01-15T14:11:58 < zyp> F0 is M0, L0 is M0+
2016-01-15T14:12:04 < dongs> oh RIGHT
2016-01-15T14:12:05 < zyp> I want at least M0+
2016-01-15T14:12:06 < dongs> that thing.
2016-01-15T14:12:07 < dongs> right
2016-01-15T14:12:13 < dongs> hurrr
2016-01-15T14:12:20 < dongs> all of f0 is m0?
2016-01-15T14:12:24 < dongs> even 072/71 etc?
2016-01-15T14:12:27 < zyp> yes
2016-01-15T14:12:40 < dongs> fuq
2016-01-15T14:12:53 < zyp> hmm, about CR/ST, I guess for the protos I could do a couple of each
2016-01-15T14:13:13 < dongs> well chinagirl is shipping me some trash tomorrow
2016-01-15T14:13:16 < dongs> i can ask her to add a couple
2016-01-15T14:13:29 < zyp> they should be pin compatible and all, it's just that ST got more modes
2016-01-15T14:13:32 < dongs> and you get ST + L0? i guess from mouser
2016-01-15T14:13:57 < zyp> yeah, I can do that
2016-01-15T14:13:58 < dongs> hm i never sent you invoice for hte other shit did i? or hm maybe she never sent it
2016-01-15T14:14:11 < zyp> what other shit?
2016-01-15T14:14:11 < dongs> i geuss ill get it tomrow
2016-01-15T14:14:19 < zyp> oh, for these boards?
2016-01-15T14:14:20 < dongs> MAX485 and whatever
2016-01-15T14:14:22 < dongs> yeah shit i didnt have
2016-01-15T14:14:26 < dongs> it was like 4 extra things
2016-01-15T14:14:29 < dongs> looks like she never sent me
2016-01-15T14:14:29 < zyp> ah, no, you haven't mentioned
2016-01-15T14:14:39 < dongs> ill get 2x CR added to that tomrorow then
2016-01-15T14:14:43 < dongs> and have it shipped
2016-01-15T14:14:55 < zyp> cool
2016-01-15T14:14:58 < dongs> pcbs are out monday/tuesday
2016-01-15T14:15:07 < dongs> stencil should be done i remember approving it
2016-01-15T14:15:43 < zyp> I should do mouser today then, I guess
2016-01-15T14:15:46 < dongs> right
2016-01-15T14:16:18 < dongs> i gotta do a couple other asembly jobs before yours so dont rush it too much but if you order monday it wont be here until friday or something
2016-01-15T14:16:21 < dongs> so might as well do it today.
2016-01-15T14:16:46 < dongs> why didnt you just order 12 EVAL-ST95HF
2016-01-15T14:16:51 < dongs> and cal lit done ;d
2016-01-15T14:17:08 < dongs> whoa that has a lcd
2016-01-15T14:17:10 < zyp> haha
2016-01-15T14:17:22 < dongs> hey is that where you stole that pcb antenna from?
2016-01-15T14:17:27 < dongs> looks asme
2016-01-15T14:17:32 < dongs> or did you draw that shit
2016-01-15T14:17:50 < zyp> I just drawed a spiral
2016-01-15T14:18:00 < dongs> doesnt it have to be specific length or something?
2016-01-15T14:18:08 < zyp> idk, I hope not :D
2016-01-15T14:18:10 < dongs> haha
2016-01-15T14:18:23 < zyp> length and width is just pulled out of my ass
2016-01-15T14:18:27 < dongs> nice
2016-01-15T14:18:40 < dongs> well, check here http://www.st-japan.co.jp/web/en/catalog/tools/PF259751
2016-01-15T14:18:48 < dongs> they have gerbers for thier board with similar lookin spiral
2016-01-15T14:18:54 < zyp> values for the matching network is partly from EVAL-ST95HF schematic, and partly from schematic for older CR95HF boards that I have
2016-01-15T14:19:01 < dongs> ah
2016-01-15T14:19:15 < zyp> so I have no idea how well it'll work if at all
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2016-01-15T14:19:44 < zyp> I'm guessing it'll work good enough
2016-01-15T14:20:01 < zyp> assuming I'll just not get optimal range
2016-01-15T14:20:55 < zyp> http://miniradiosolutions.com/54-2/ <- if I ever buy this shit, I can tune it properly
2016-01-15T14:22:53 < dongs> very extended frequency
2016-01-15T14:22:55 < dongs> much range
2016-01-15T14:23:20 < zyp> waiting for Laurenceb to tell me if it's usable
2016-01-15T14:23:28 < dongs> i think ABLomas had one
2016-01-15T14:23:37 < dongs> that site and pic looks famiilar
2016-01-15T14:24:58 < zyp> okay, so then I'm getting 24x l052 and 10x st95hf from mouser, anything else?
2016-01-15T14:25:48 < BrainDamage> ahh those lovely sites straight from the 90s
2016-01-15T14:26:13 < BrainDamage> and the software too it seems
2016-01-15T14:30:15 < dongs> zyp: nope. she had evryhing else covered
2016-01-15T14:30:21 < dongs> and other crap was jsut stuff ihad
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2016-01-15T14:31:07 < zyp> ok, good, which addr do I have it shipped to?
2016-01-15T14:32:19 < dongs> that one.
2016-01-15T14:32:21 < dongs> see /notice
2016-01-15T14:32:56 < zyp> ah, right
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2016-01-15T14:34:05 < dongs> jap live feeds are going nuts wiht that nagano bus shit
2016-01-15T14:34:56 < dongs> http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/14/asia/japan-ski-bus-accident/
2016-01-15T14:35:35 < zyp> hmm
2016-01-15T14:35:42 < zyp> do you usually get free shipping to jp from mouser?
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2016-01-15T14:35:50 < dongs> not if youre ordering
2016-01-15T14:35:58 < dongs> free is only if you checkout in JPY
2016-01-15T14:36:00 < dongs> wiht billing in JPY
2016-01-15T14:36:02 < dongs> same as digikey, no?
2016-01-15T14:36:19 < dongs> you dont get freeship to me when ordering through digikey
2016-01-15T14:36:32 < zyp> yeah, but I do now, that's why I'm surprised
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2016-01-15T14:36:36 < dongs> really?
2016-01-15T14:36:41 < dongs> on mouser?
2016-01-15T14:36:53 < dongs> well better hurry up and order before they notice it
2016-01-15T14:36:59 < zyp> yeah, I can choose between fedex or dhl for free or ups for $50
2016-01-15T14:37:04 < dongs> nice
2016-01-15T14:39:00 < zyp> haha
2016-01-15T14:39:00 < zyp> VAT TOTAL:
2016-01-15T14:39:01 < zyp>  $9.92
2016-01-15T14:39:55 < karlp> dongs: EVAL-ST95HF is like $150 shits that's why yuou don't buy a dozen of them :)
2016-01-15T14:40:27 < dongs> yeahy
2016-01-15T14:40:29 < zyp> karlp, but I've bought a dozen of the M24LR-DISCO which contains an EVAL-CR95HF or something
2016-01-15T14:41:24 < karlp> m24lr is the evalcr95hf yeah, not the ST95hf though right?
2016-01-15T14:41:39 < zyp> correct
2016-01-15T14:41:44 < zyp> it's a simpler board
2016-01-15T14:41:49 < zyp> with the simpler chip
2016-01-15T14:41:57 < karlp> mine's sitting on the shelf goin "use me use me"
2016-01-15T14:42:08 < karlp> along with the roll of tags I got.
2016-01-15T14:42:11 < zyp> haha
2016-01-15T14:42:30 < karlp> the new phone I got doesn't evne have NFC
2016-01-15T14:42:33 < zyp> if you want more of those red boards, I've got 10-20 that I'm not using :p
2016-01-15T14:43:04 < karlp> heh
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2016-01-15T14:43:25 < karlp> yeah, the base board seemed more interesting
2016-01-15T14:43:50 < zyp> one of my friends got a setup with like ten of those
2016-01-15T14:43:52 < karlp> "here, evalute our kinda special eeprom" (We're including an lcd and an stm8 and a whole transceiver station for your pc too)
2016-01-15T14:44:12 < zyp> the readers, I mean
2016-01-15T14:44:24 < zyp> and then I've got a couple myself
2016-01-15T15:06:03 < dongs> heh jappu baymax bd has seamless branching to replace all on-screen signs wiht jappu versions
2016-01-15T15:19:23 < ReadError> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/lifelike-child-sex-dolls-created-7177869?ICID=FB_mirror_main
2016-01-15T15:19:26 < ReadError> uhh
2016-01-15T15:19:28 < ReadError> wtf japan
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2016-01-15T15:21:13 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35320895
2016-01-15T15:21:21 < Laurenceb_> weed is harmless maaaannnn
2016-01-15T15:26:08 < Ecco> Hi everyone
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2016-01-15T15:43:15 < neuro_sys> ecco the dolphin
2016-01-15T15:43:28 < Ecco> riiiight
2016-01-15T15:44:13 < neuro_sys> synthetic cannabises and research chemicals are dangerous
2016-01-15T15:45:01 < Ecco> indeed :-)
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2016-01-15T15:46:03 < neuro_sys> one that I know is jwh-018
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2016-01-15T15:49:22 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/thumb/1451582920912.jpg
2016-01-15T15:49:29 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/thumb/1452800835123.jpg
2016-01-15T15:49:32 < Laurenceb_> lolling hard
2016-01-15T15:50:27 < dongs> easily amused
2016-01-15T15:50:51 < neuro_sys> high on weed?
2016-01-15T15:51:14 < Laurenceb_> aphex twin did ISIS
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2016-01-15T16:27:48 < karlp> heh, should I try scrts trick and register for the L4 seminar in a country I can't get to and hten just cancel?
2016-01-15T16:27:52 < karlp> see if they send it to me anyway?
2016-01-15T16:28:18 < ReadError> to get free board?
2016-01-15T16:28:24 < ReadError> they cancel mine ;(
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2016-01-15T16:32:20 < scrts> they've cancelled mine, since I am in the US
2016-01-15T16:32:30 < ReadError> yea same
2016-01-15T16:32:34 < ReadError> EMEA only
2016-01-15T16:32:47 < karlp> ah, but I'm in EMEA, just not anywhere near any of their seminars
2016-01-15T16:32:48 < scrts> I've tried to email US guys
2016-01-15T16:32:56 < scrts> they've asked for details and then didn't respond
2016-01-15T16:33:20 < ReadError> karlp as long as your in EMEA it should be okay, and japan apparently
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2016-01-15T16:38:22 < karlp> I have an L4 board already anyway.
2016-01-15T16:41:24 < englishman> do they mail you your boards? i got my swag at the door
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2016-01-15T16:51:29 < Laurenceb_> http://www.kappit.com/img/pics/201406_1605_cddic.jpg
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2016-01-15T17:03:17 < zyp> heh, I messed up FFC orientation, hooked up some stuff in reverse
2016-01-15T17:03:25 < zyp> put 8V on signal pins
2016-01-15T17:05:38 < zyp> so I hooked up the board, flashed it, reset and waited for stuff to happen
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2016-01-15T17:06:22 < zyp> nothing did happen, so I started looking, realized that fuckers on the other end labelled their connector backwards
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2016-01-15T17:07:06 < zyp> found the appropriate cable for that, hooked up again, still nothing happened
2016-01-15T17:08:29 < zyp> thought I broke it, turned out I just flashed the wrong firmware, other board survived just fine
2016-01-15T17:10:10 < zyp> also mean I wasted a bunch of time waiting for top/bottom ffc cables, because I only had top/top ones
2016-01-15T17:10:19 < zyp> turns out top/top is the appropriate ones
2016-01-15T17:17:35 < emeb> oops
2016-01-15T17:20:21 < zyp> is there a standard ffc orientation?
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2016-01-15T17:21:47 < jpa-> as in?
2016-01-15T17:21:58 < zyp> pin 1 on the connectors
2016-01-15T17:22:17 < zyp> the connectors I'm using is marked with a notch on the pin 1 side
2016-01-15T17:22:51 < jpa-> wouldn't that always be on the left in one end of the cable and on the right in the other end?
2016-01-15T17:22:57 < zyp> the board in the other end doesn't seem to have any marks on the connector itself, but the board got pin 1 labelled on the board
2016-01-15T17:23:07 < zyp> jpa-, not if the cable got opposite sides
2016-01-15T17:23:13 < jpa-> true
2016-01-15T17:23:18 < jpa-> but for "standard" cables :P
2016-01-15T17:23:32 < zyp> idk
2016-01-15T17:23:57 < zyp> there seems to be different approaches
2016-01-15T17:24:47 < zyp> this devboard I'm working with got pin 1 labelled on the same side in each end, and just accounts for the mirroring when drawing the schematic
2016-01-15T17:25:01 < zyp> i.e. signal on pin 1 in one end is drawn on pin 20 in schematic for other end
2016-01-15T17:25:48 < zyp> and I were thinking "hey, I'll just follow same order as in datasheet for this board, and use a top/bottom cable instead"
2016-01-15T17:26:10 < zyp> without realizing that they are consistently labelling pin 1 opposite to what my connectors do
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2016-01-15T20:26:31 < Ecco> Hi everyone
2016-01-15T20:29:48 < Rob235> ugh, water pump finally replaced on my pc.  that was a bitch
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2016-01-15T20:30:16 < Rickta59> yeah i hate how they leave so little room near the belts and sparkplugs
2016-01-15T20:31:02 < Rob235> :)
2016-01-15T20:35:36 < jpa-> note to self: trying to talk to sd card on SPI1 doesn't work very well when you have connected it to SPI3
2016-01-15T20:35:44 < Ecco> :-D
2016-01-15T20:35:48 < Rob235> heh
2016-01-15T20:36:00 < Ecco> damn, this is the kind of crap that really drives me crazy when it happens
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2016-01-15T20:39:22 < Rob235> I don't think I like my choice of blue liquid... oh well, I never look at it anyway
2016-01-15T20:39:43 < BrainDamage> use a white thick fluid
2016-01-15T20:40:14 < Rob235> i'm not draining the fluid again for at least 6 months :)
2016-01-15T20:40:33 < ReadError> mr upgrdman posted a good tutorial Rob235
2016-01-15T20:40:34 < ReadError> https://youtu.be/j3GDZwixovw?t=64
2016-01-15T20:41:15 < Rob235> textual shows image/video preview... I dont know what it is but it looks like an asian woman dribbling some cum
2016-01-15T20:43:31 < ReadError> Japanese Girl Teaches You How To Make Fake Semen In Porn
2016-01-15T20:43:38 < Rob235> heh
2016-01-15T20:43:40 < ReadError> just retweeting, not tried that method myself
2016-01-15T20:44:23 < Rob235> half of me wants to clean up the wiring and everything on this htpc and the other half (which is going to win) wants me to just close the case and forget about it
2016-01-15T20:52:45 < Rob235> does integrating accelerometer with baro pressure sensor make the result usable? If I just let the sensor sit still it will slowly change back and forth from around -2 to 10 feet
2016-01-15T20:53:03 < Rob235> (computing height from change in pressure)
2016-01-15T20:54:59 < lorenzo> is there more than aesthetics to water cooled PCs these days?
2016-01-15T20:55:07 < lorenzo> I mean, single workstations, not high density whatever thing
2016-01-15T20:55:48 < BrainDamage> noise
2016-01-15T20:56:11 < BrainDamage> also allows you to place the heatsink away from the cpu so you can make the case compact
2016-01-15T21:04:42 < celeron55> you can fit a larger heatsink that doesn't need so much airflow
2016-01-15T21:05:13 < celeron55> and use the same heatsink for the GPUs too
2016-01-15T21:06:59 < BrainDamage> when i used dip mos i used to strap them to an an block and a large plastic bucket with a cheap water fountain pump
2016-01-15T21:07:45 < BrainDamage> the large thermal capacity of the water bucket to absorb peaks and the large surface area made for an excellent cheap huge heatsink
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2016-01-15T21:27:54 < Rob235> I did it because it's a really small case and I wanted it quiet because its a htpc
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2016-01-15T22:01:23 < bilboquet_> hi, i would like to experiment Bluetooth but i need to comunicate with many device (more than 7)
2016-01-15T22:01:37 < bilboquet_> is it possible ? and have you a good  very small module to advise me ?
2016-01-15T22:11:11 < Rob235> isn't bluetooth 1 to 1? I think you would need as many bluetooth module pairs as devices you want to connect to
2016-01-15T22:13:06 < Bright> use wlan????
2016-01-15T22:13:28 < bilboquet_> may be with Bluetooth scatternets ??? ( never tested bluetooth) : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17289232/how-many-maximum-device-can-we-pair-via-bluetooth-to-android-device-at-a-time
2016-01-15T22:14:39 < bilboquet_> Bright, why not. but i preffer very low consumption.
2016-01-15T22:15:39 < bilboquet_> the esp8266 very small and low cost
2016-01-15T22:15:44 < Bright> mhm
2016-01-15T22:19:15 < bilboquet_> Bright, you may be right
2016-01-15T22:20:35 < bilboquet_> what do you think about esp8266 ?
2016-01-15T22:20:56 < Bright> i think it's cool, i used it for some things once.'
2016-01-15T22:22:44 < bilboquet_> I have a few to test. I just saw that the community has done a good job. but i not really tested it yet.
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2016-01-15T22:43:56 < Rob235> I wonder if the one I have is an esp8266.  I was going to add it to my drone but I'm not sure it's worth it yet
2016-01-15T22:45:55 < Rob235> actually I don't think that's what I have
2016-01-15T22:46:51 < Rob235> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E594ZX0?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00
2016-01-15T22:46:56 < Rob235> not wifi
2016-01-15T22:52:21 < bilboquet_> it's nRF24L01 may be the same as crazyfly drone !
2016-01-15T22:52:57 < Rob235> I thought I was being original buying that :/
2016-01-15T22:53:44 < bilboquet_> https://www.bitcraze.io/crazyflie/
2016-01-15T22:56:17 < bilboquet_> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/Crazyradio-PA-long-range-24Ghz-USB-radio-dongle-with-antenna-p-2104.html
2016-01-15T22:57:23 < bilboquet_> it looks like anyway
2016-01-15T22:59:35 < Rob235> oh I didn't even realize the range was almost 100 yards.  thats pretty good
2016-01-15T23:03:19 < bilboquet_> fromCustomer Questions & Answers (amazon page)  i got clear signal at about 120ft, started to sputter at about 135ft, gave out entirely at 150ft.
2016-01-15T23:03:46 < Rob235> ahh
2016-01-15T23:03:49 < Rob235> still plenty though
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2016-01-15T23:04:40 < bilboquet_> with antenna...
2016-01-15T23:05:00 < Rob235> haha oh
2016-01-15T23:05:37 < Rob235> I guess I only planned on using it a few feet away anyway
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2016-01-16T00:03:03 < Rob235> oh dma, why can't you just work
2016-01-16T00:42:27 < Rob235> lasjdflkasjdf
2016-01-16T00:42:47 < Rob235> it appears that the dma tc interrupt keeps firing when it shouldnt
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2016-01-16T01:07:12 < kakimir> yo bubba
2016-01-16T01:26:48 < Rob235> strange, my dma runs twice and then stops working
2016-01-16T01:48:46 < BrainDamage> this is mostly for Laurenceb  http://oregonstate.edu/dept/dpd/sites/default/files/teaching_fat_studies_12-6_submitted.pdf
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2016-01-16T02:48:37 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39004.msg1475974#msg1475974
2016-01-16T02:48:42 < Laurenceb_> epic dramaz inbound
2016-01-16T02:55:26 < Laurenceb_> http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/01/04/new-report-of-anomalous-thrust-from-emdrive-replicator-artefact/
2016-01-16T02:55:34 < Laurenceb_> cool story brothers
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2016-01-16T03:22:54 < lorenzo> people still believe in the ecat?
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2016-01-16T03:37:32 < kakimir> Laurenceb_ believes in toothfairies
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2016-01-16T03:53:41 < Laurenceb_> e-cat, the electronic cyborg cat
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2016-01-16T04:00:55 < kakimir> sensual?
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2016-01-16T04:30:17 < Rob235> anyone feel like looking at my code and telling me why my dma is messed up? http://pastebin.com/36ux11Ci
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2016-01-16T05:02:32 < dongs> sup dongs
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2016-01-16T05:11:19 < emeb_mac> tried the free atollic truestudio today to do an F7 project.
2016-01-16T05:11:32 < emeb_mac> did some strange stuff.
2016-01-16T05:11:35 < dongs> isnt atrollicstudio just eclipse + gcc
2016-01-16T05:11:47 < emeb_mac> probably
2016-01-16T05:11:58 < emeb_mac> they've got their own build of gcc
2016-01-16T05:12:08 < emeb_mac> and eclipse tweaked like crazy
2016-01-16T05:13:07 < emeb_mac> for some reason it's not handling dma right, while the same code compiled in my own GAE gcc  buildsystem works fine.
2016-01-16T05:13:29 < emeb_mac> going to need to spend some time with that I guess.
2016-01-16T05:23:00 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/OldfashionedTightBedbug
2016-01-16T05:26:55 < Rob235> ok breaks over, time to figure out this dma problem
2016-01-16T05:27:09 < Rob235> anyone want to help? :)
2016-01-16T05:32:27 < fenug_> Rob235 - periph clocks enabled ? DMA registers correctly set ? (verified in debugger, not code)
2016-01-16T05:33:43 < Rob235> do you need syscfg clock for dma?
2016-01-16T05:34:49 < fenug_> no idea
2016-01-16T05:34:52 < fenug_> RM ?
2016-01-16T05:35:03 < Rob235> i'll test it out in a sec, that might be it but not sure
2016-01-16T05:36:57 < fenug_> Rob235  but yeah, re-read the RM, check the expected register values VS their actual value. gtg
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2016-01-16T05:43:04 < Rob235> nope didnt fix it
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2016-01-16T09:32:31 < Rob235> https://github.com/har-in-air/Kalmanfilter_altimeter_vario/blob/master/KalmanFilter.h the variances at the bottom, do they relate to the 3 states? can this format be generalized to any 3 state?
2016-01-16T09:49:11 < dongs> worry about kalmang in like 3 years
2016-01-16T09:49:16 < dongs> get your shit flying in gyro mode
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2016-01-16T11:17:18 < Rob235> no! it must do everything at once!
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2016-01-16T12:12:46 < Steffanx> Will it be a self driving car too Rob235? That's totally hot nowadays.
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2016-01-16T14:38:31 < dongs> lack of shats
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2016-01-16T16:02:38 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39004.msg1476966#msg1476966
2016-01-16T16:02:43 < Laurenceb_> epin trawl
2016-01-16T16:04:21 < BrainDamage> that's straight from trollscience ragecomics from 10 years ago
2016-01-16T16:04:31 < BrainDamage> that's not just old, it's defunct and decomposed
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2016-01-16T17:01:26 < kakimir> electro magnetic homosex
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2016-01-16T17:04:14 < kakimir> laurances can not resist it
2016-01-16T17:06:48 < kakimir> what is the right way to initialize array to zero?
2016-01-16T17:06:57 < kakimir> in gnu99
2016-01-16T17:07:27 < kakimir> C language
2016-01-16T17:07:39 < kakimir> {0} +
2016-01-16T17:07:41 < kakimir> ?
2016-01-16T17:08:05 < Steffanx> {0}
2016-01-16T17:08:08 < fenugrec> ;
2016-01-16T17:09:13 < kakimir> I think I have done something like =0 in some code... that obiviously has not been deployed anywhere
2016-01-16T17:10:09 < jpa-> or even compiled
2016-01-16T17:12:46 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-16T17:15:17 < kakimir> would that cause compiler to flip?
2016-01-16T17:15:37 < kakimir> how about with non-zero value?
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2016-01-16T17:22:43 < fenugrec> kakimir http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11152160/initializing-a-struct-to-0
2016-01-16T17:29:24 < MightyPork> hi, anyone here used the ARM DSP library for real FFT?
2016-01-16T17:29:32 < MightyPork> I'm having huge trouble getting it to work properly
2016-01-16T17:30:02 < kakimir> work at all?
2016-01-16T17:30:45 < MightyPork> well it is working, but not correctly
2016-01-16T17:30:55 < MightyPork> I thought I do `arm_rfft_fast_init_f32` and then arm_rfft_fast_f32`
2016-01-16T17:31:10 < MightyPork> but the values randomly fluctuate
2016-01-16T17:31:26 < MightyPork> and I calculated FFT of the input data in matlab and the fft was constant
2016-01-16T17:31:29 < kakimir> is there some hw fft or just rom stored functionality?
2016-01-16T17:31:52 < MightyPork> they have pre-built constant tables and some algorithms in the lib
2016-01-16T17:32:17 < MightyPork> hw fft would of course be brilliant, but its not there
2016-01-16T17:33:03 < kakimir> how accurate constants DSP rom has?
2016-01-16T17:33:17 < kakimir> some grude constants or.. ?
2016-01-16T17:33:50 < MightyPork> it's float to 15 places
2016-01-16T17:34:05 < MightyPork> think the problem is more about their algorithm for RFFT being wrong
2016-01-16T17:34:28 < MightyPork> the CFFT seems to work OK - but I'd need 2x the array length (for zeroed out imaginary numbers)
2016-01-16T17:36:02 < MightyPork> was just wondering if anyone here tried doing Real FFT using the complex functions
2016-01-16T17:36:20 < MightyPork> because there is some trick to use CFFT and then convert it back to real, but I cant seem to get it right
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2016-01-16T17:49:42 < jpa-> bah, what am i messing up with LSM6DS3 SPI bus?
2016-01-16T17:50:11 < jpa-> it has one of those stupid shared pins between i2c and spi, but i think i have it configured correctly.. even replaced chip already
2016-01-16T17:50:31 < jpa-> it just replies to everything with 0x00, except sometimes it replies with 0xff to everything
2016-01-16T17:52:36 < MightyPork> If anyone know how to do real FFT with N/2-long complex FFT, please I'll be super grateful. Out of ram, had to reduce samples :/
2016-01-16T17:53:10 < jpa-> MightyPork: https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/QuadPawn/blob/master/Runtime/fix16_fft.c   something like this?
2016-01-16T17:53:46 < jpa-> N samples real input, N samples complex output
2016-01-16T17:54:27 < MightyPork> that's the idea I'm trying to do, I think
2016-01-16T17:54:35 < MightyPork> except it always blew up xD
2016-01-16T17:55:04 < MightyPork> not sure if I'm making mistakes or the ARM dsp lib is buggy
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2016-01-16T18:14:55 < kakimir> is there way to enforce order of variables in packed structure?
2016-01-16T18:15:12 < kakimir> so I can bitshift with no troubles
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2016-01-16T18:18:30 < jpa-> for anything except bitfields, the order is always the same you write them in
2016-01-16T18:18:38 < MightyPork> I think the order stays?
2016-01-16T18:18:50 < MightyPork> just use the packed attrib
2016-01-16T18:19:21 < kakimir> hmm I dont need bitfields with packed.. good point
2016-01-16T18:19:30 < kakimir> jpa-: left to right?
2016-01-16T18:24:01 < kakimir> first struct member has left bits and last has right bits?
2016-01-16T18:26:03 < kakimir> oh last one is highest
2016-01-16T18:26:15 < jpa-> wut?
2016-01-16T18:26:27 < jpa-> first member is the first memory address
2016-01-16T18:26:36 < jpa-> whether it is high or low bits depends on platform endianess
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2016-01-16T18:27:22 < kakimir> okay we have little endian platform
2016-01-16T18:31:12 < kakimir> maybe I just.. access those parts like normally
2016-01-16T18:31:25 < kakimir> leave it to compiler to figure it out
2016-01-16T18:41:50 < kakimir> as my variables are byte or word sized I think compiler may have some way to handle it efficiently
2016-01-16T18:42:28 < kakimir> hey I can do struct in struct to bundle byte parts as one
2016-01-16T18:44:02 < kakimir> as I need word size data part and 2x byte size header part both as word size chunks
2016-01-16T18:44:11 < kakimir> for spi transmission
2016-01-16T18:44:25 < kakimir> is it good idea to use maximum of 16bit spi?
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2016-01-16T19:14:58 < kakimir> mx1000 slickpads arrived
2016-01-16T19:15:07 < kakimir> looking like right material
2016-01-16T19:15:14 < kakimir> but not premium cutting
2016-01-16T19:15:18 < kakimir> maybe little small
2016-01-16T19:15:40 < kakimir> will see as isopropanol vaporizes off the mouse
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2016-01-16T19:26:05 < kakimir> I wonder if my laptop has 4pin audio port
2016-01-16T19:26:08 < kakimir> plug
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2016-01-16T19:26:23 < kakimir> celeron55: korjaa bitti!
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2016-01-16T20:02:27 < kakimir> if I increment 16bit value in cortex core
2016-01-16T20:02:32 < kakimir> and it overflows
2016-01-16T20:03:02 < kakimir> will outbutt overflow to higher word?
2016-01-16T20:03:16 < kakimir> or just go around?
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2016-01-16T20:07:42 < fenugrec> kakimir what do you mean "16bit value"
2016-01-16T20:08:10 < kakimir> if i just unsignedshortvariable++
2016-01-16T20:08:23 < kakimir> and want it to cause no trouble when overflos
2016-01-16T20:08:29 < fenugrec> A) you should be using uint16_t if you want to be sure it's 16bit
2016-01-16T20:08:46 < kakimir> done
2016-01-16T20:08:47 < fenugrec> B) of course C won't silently overflow into neighboring variables. That would be insane !
2016-01-16T20:08:57 < kakimir> good
2016-01-16T20:09:13 < kakimir> just to stay on safe side I need to ask these details
2016-01-16T20:09:22 < kakimir> again and again
2016-01-16T20:09:24 < fenugrec> unless you're writing to a special peripheral register that has different behavior (can't think of any... maybe some timers ?)
2016-01-16T20:10:02 < fenugrec> kakimir you should have a copy of C99 handy, and stackoverflow has a lot of these questions already answered
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2016-01-16T20:13:21 < fenugrec> also note - overflow in unsigned types is "safe" (rolls over to 0), but not with signed types. Like int.
2016-01-16T20:13:47 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-16T20:14:04 < kakimir> I dont use signed type counters ever anywhere
2016-01-16T20:14:35 < fenugrec> ok ok, because it can be a nasty bug
2016-01-16T20:14:55 < kakimir> and I avoid using signed int anyways
2016-01-16T20:15:10 < kakimir> using offset or even seperate negative value
2016-01-16T20:15:13 < fenugrec> for (uint16_t i; i <= 0xffff; i ++) is also bad : )))
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2016-01-16T20:16:48 < kakimir> <
2016-01-16T20:17:05 < kakimir> but you know what mistakes are in for loops
2016-01-16T20:17:16 < kakimir> done those so many times
2016-01-16T20:17:26 < fenugrec> heheh
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2016-01-16T20:26:59 < Steffanx> It's only bad when you dont want to happen what happens fenugrec :P
2016-01-16T20:29:12 < kakimir> okay I have this priority system and I'm using it for the first time
2016-01-16T20:29:15 < fenugrec> Steffanx well I like to define bad quite conservatively as "probably, typically not what you want to happen"
2016-01-16T20:29:31 < kakimir> there is levels 0-3
2016-01-16T20:29:52 < kakimir> so there is priorities above those too?
2016-01-16T20:30:11 < kakimir> NMI and so on
2016-01-16T20:30:33 < kakimir> but those have no number but there is some fixed order for those?
2016-01-16T20:31:17 < fenugrec> what
2016-01-16T20:33:00 < kakimir> NVIC controller has programable levels 0-3
2016-01-16T20:33:24 < kakimir> but there is interrupt levels even above those
2016-01-16T20:33:52 < kakimir> so 0-3 is like... user levels for interrupts
2016-01-16T20:35:51 < fenugrec> kakimir on M0, you have configurable and non-configurable exceptions
2016-01-16T20:36:08 < fenugrec> reset, NMI, hardfault, non configurable. High prio. The rest is low prio == configurable
2016-01-16T20:36:56 < fenugrec> stm32 doc : PM0215 cortex-m0 programming manual, get that (or the equiv m3 / m4 PM if applicable)
2016-01-16T20:36:58 < kakimir> okay so I can use whole area for my application
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2016-01-16T20:51:26 < kakimir> #define SPI_PRESCALE_DIVIDER LPC_SSP0->CPSR
2016-01-16T20:51:32 < kakimir> is this okay?
2016-01-16T20:52:18 < kakimir> it is not
2016-01-16T20:52:24 < ReadError> race traitor
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2016-01-16T20:53:51 < aep> what do you guys use for flashing connectors? i always solder on 1.27mm headers. the tag connect landing pattern looks way too massive with the drills
2016-01-16T20:55:30 < ReadError> tagconnect
2016-01-16T20:55:36 < ReadError> its really not bad
2016-01-16T20:55:43 < ReadError> if you consider routable area
2016-01-16T20:55:56 < ReadError> you have 3 holes vs many PTH
2016-01-16T20:56:02 < kakimir> https://i.imgflip.com/xgszs.jpg
2016-01-16T20:56:24 < ReadError> kakimir, yes, mr LPC
2016-01-16T20:56:32 < ReadError> dont love ##stm32 nemore?
2016-01-16T20:56:58 < kakimir> I never loved you stm32!
2016-01-16T20:58:09 < fenugrec> oh you weren't even asking about an stm32 ? microcon-troll'd
2016-01-16T20:58:17 < aep> ReadError: the drills are pretty bad :/
2016-01-16T20:58:36 < ReadError> aep, idk my pattern they are pretty small
2016-01-16T20:58:38 < aep> the one time i used it, i had to add a breakaway thing http://i.imgur.com/IEdHo2e.png
2016-01-16T20:58:48 < aep> because the drills wouldnt fit anywhere
2016-01-16T20:59:10 < ReadError> i use the 6pin one tho
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2016-01-16T20:59:15 < aep> mhmm
2016-01-16T20:59:21 < kakimir> I wonder how big speed error in SPI causes problems
2016-01-16T21:00:04 < aep> i wish there was something like standard pogopin array
2016-01-16T21:00:12 < aep> where you could like press it against
2016-01-16T21:00:15 < aep> i think its called jig
2016-01-16T21:00:25 < aep> but its usually customized, i.e. expensive
2016-01-16T21:01:03 < ReadError> eh yea depends if you need it for debugging or just bulk flashing
2016-01-16T21:01:13 < ReadError> debugging pogopins w/o a clip would be a PITA
2016-01-16T21:01:22 < aep> both...kinda
2016-01-16T21:01:39 < aep> but good point
2016-01-16T21:01:55 < aep> i should probably just keep soldering on headers for debugging and have a 4pin tagconnect for production
2016-01-16T21:02:42 < aep> do you use the clip?
2016-01-16T21:02:48 < aep> the clip holes are massive D:
2016-01-16T21:02:53 < ReadError> i use the one that goes on the back
2016-01-16T21:02:58 < ReadError> not the 4 giant hole one
2016-01-16T21:03:10 < aep> uh whut that
2016-01-16T21:03:25 < ReadError> its a little pcb w/ 3 retaining things
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2016-01-16T21:03:31 < aep> hmmm
2016-01-16T21:03:39 < aep> got a product id?
2016-01-16T21:04:03 < ReadError> http://www.tag-connect.com/sites/default/files/node_images/IMG_3515.jpg
2016-01-16T21:04:22 < ReadError> just stick it on, holds things in place nice
2016-01-16T21:04:37 < aep> oh. that looks interesting
2016-01-16T21:04:54 < ReadError> ya i use that for debugging
2016-01-16T21:05:03 < aep> wait, is that plug soldered into the board?
2016-01-16T21:05:06 < ReadError> works great, just be careful not to let them fly when you pull it out
2016-01-16T21:05:07 < ReadError> nope
2016-01-16T21:05:10 < ReadError> it just presses on
2016-01-16T21:05:18 < aep> it looks soldered
2016-01-16T21:05:20 < aep> hm
2016-01-16T21:05:43 < ReadError> https://blog.adafruit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/IMG_7100.jpg
2016-01-16T21:05:48 < aep> "We recommend keeping a few spare of these since the tiny boards are easy to misplace when working on the bench.
2016-01-16T21:05:50 < aep> haha
2016-01-16T21:05:59 < ReadError> yup they are f'in tiny
2016-01-16T21:06:00 < aep> aah now i get it
2016-01-16T21:06:07 < ReadError> ive been good tho, not lost one yet
2016-01-16T21:06:19 < aep> i like this. thanks
2016-01-16T21:06:37 < ReadError> np
2016-01-16T21:07:47 < kakimir> so that thing doesn't come by default with the expensivecabledotcom?
2016-01-16T21:08:09 < aep> the tagconnect cable? nah
2016-01-16T21:08:09 < ReadError> 1 does
2016-01-16T21:08:13 < ReadError> but you can buy spares
2016-01-16T21:08:20 < ReadError> i got one w/ my 'kit'
2016-01-16T21:08:21 < ReadError> or w/e
2016-01-16T21:08:30 < ReadError> or 2. forget
2016-01-16T21:08:38 < ReadError> i got the rj11 microchip thing
2016-01-16T21:08:52 < ReadError> but its nice since i have little BoB for each pinout
2016-01-16T21:08:57 < ReadError> that mates to programmer
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2016-01-16T21:09:45 < aep> wish i stopped changing my debugging pin layout every fricking time D:
2016-01-16T21:09:56 < aep> never enough routing space *sigh*
2016-01-16T21:10:37 < kakimir> around 50usd... when do they pirate it
2016-01-16T21:11:05 < aep> i bet you can find copies on alibab
2016-01-16T21:11:10 < ReadError> kakimir, only 30$ here
2016-01-16T21:12:15 < kakimir> I have those pogo sticks hundreds
2016-01-16T21:12:24 < kakimir> I can make my own
2016-01-16T21:12:35 < aep> isnt that really annoying?
2016-01-16T21:12:38 < aep> how do you make them?
2016-01-16T21:12:49 < kakimir> fabricate pcb
2016-01-16T21:12:57 < kakimir> then just solder on
2016-01-16T21:13:23 < aep> yeah duh, but what about the entire physical mounting
2016-01-16T21:13:24 < kakimir> butt something like 3 pcbs totally to row
2016-01-16T21:13:32 < aep> gotta have something to press against it
2016-01-16T21:13:47 < ReadError> its like, a 1 time purchase
2016-01-16T21:13:56 < kakimir> well aint everything
2016-01-16T21:13:58 < ReadError> kakimir spends more on SMAs for a protoboard
2016-01-16T21:14:26 < aep> yeh, doesn't sound good
2016-01-16T21:14:33 < aep> otoh, i still cant find space for holes
2016-01-16T21:14:41 < aep> so not sure if i can use taggconnect on this project
2016-01-16T21:14:54 < kakimir> I think that is true ReadError if you count cost for stuff in the shelf
2016-01-16T21:15:01 < aep> there's just never enough room on anything :(
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2016-01-16T21:15:27 < aep> kakimir: got a photo?
2016-01-16T21:15:36 < aep> i'm wondering how you do mounting of the target pcb
2016-01-16T21:15:45 < kakimir> photo of what?
2016-01-16T21:16:10 < aep> your jig
2016-01-16T21:16:31 < ReadError> he said he *could* make his own ;)
2016-01-16T21:16:33 < ReadError> not he made his own
2016-01-16T21:16:45 < aep> right
2016-01-16T21:17:22 < kakimir> if I was running out of space
2016-01-16T21:17:36 < aep> i'm wondering if these would work http://goo.gl/M3ItXY
2016-01-16T21:17:42 < kakimir> I would make one that has.. 4pins?
2016-01-16T21:17:59 < kakimir> custom jig
2016-01-16T21:18:00 < aep> yeah i have enough surface space for 6 pins
2016-01-16T21:18:09 < aep> just not for the holes because they impact all layers
2016-01-16T21:19:05 < ReadError> but then you in the same boat
2016-01-16T21:19:06 < kakimir> if I were running out of space I would have 0 holes
2016-01-16T21:19:11 < ReadError> real PITA if you want to keep it attached
2016-01-16T21:19:21 < aep> yeah
2016-01-16T21:19:41 < kakimir> I think you could physically fence with surface components or solder
2016-01-16T21:20:01 < kakimir> if I need to keep it attached I solder wires
2016-01-16T21:20:21 < aep> i was thinking of using the technique they use for SIM cards, with the little metal flags
2016-01-16T21:20:36 < artag> $50  ? they're UKP 50 here. About $80
2016-01-16T21:20:39 < aep> which are effecively springs
2016-01-16T21:20:53 < ReadError> yall getting robbed
2016-01-16T21:20:57 < kakimir> because all that trouble for single board..
2016-01-16T21:20:58 < artag> we always are
2016-01-16T21:21:07 < aep> yah. europe sucks for electronics
2016-01-16T21:21:14 < artag> only .oz gets it worse
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2016-01-16T21:22:38 < artag> i guess the advantage of the pogos is that board thickness doesn't matter
2016-01-16T21:22:58 < aep> versus something with fixed nails you mean?
2016-01-16T21:23:01 < kakimir> are those standard pogos or some slim model?
2016-01-16T21:23:16 < ReadError> they make them all style
2016-01-16T21:23:17 < ReadError> diff tips
2016-01-16T21:23:30 < ReadError> and super thin
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2016-01-16T21:24:45 < artag> aep: vs something with a contact fingers and a backing piece, like a sim. Though you could use the contacts and have a more tolerant way to press them on
2016-01-16T21:25:29 < aep> ah. right
2016-01-16T21:25:47 < aep> well, yeah. kinda hard to make that generic :/
2016-01-16T21:27:27 < artag> the pads are on .050" pitch so probably a but tight for standard pogos, but would have thought they wouldn't be  too hard to source
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2016-01-16T21:37:41 < kakimir> super thins is what you need
2016-01-16T21:38:00 < kakimir> I think I would make per chip programming connector
2016-01-16T21:38:13 < kakimir> that locks into shape of chip
2016-01-16T21:38:23 < kakimir> and has pogos around the chip
2016-01-16T21:38:40 < kakimir> so there is zero distance of extra trace
2016-01-16T21:38:52 < kakimir> and zero holes
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2016-01-16T21:41:08 < aep> that sounds kinda hard to do on BGA ;)
2016-01-16T21:41:21 < kakimir> dongs: http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/NXP-Semiconductors/NX3008PBK215/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMshyDBzk1%2fWi4zR8SacoP4CJJj9nsrP3Iw%3d why not use this
2016-01-16T21:41:33 < kakimir> careful with that url
2016-01-16T21:41:57 < kakimir> it's like the cheapest and like nothing of gate charge and fast too
2016-01-16T21:42:59 < kakimir> can handle logic voltage levels
2016-01-16T21:43:02 < KreAture_> kakimir you do know you cannot load such a connection?
2016-01-16T21:43:07 < KreAture_> You could rip chip off board
2016-01-16T21:43:17 < KreAture_> also, bga and wlcsp is the future
2016-01-16T21:43:24 < kakimir> it's purely for alignement
2016-01-16T21:43:41 < kakimir> pqfn is just okay now
2016-01-16T21:44:18 < kakimir> https://www.pcblibraries.com/Products/FPX/img/3D/SM-Active/PULL-BACK_QUAD_FLAT_NO-LEAD_D-SHAPE_LEAD_WITH_CHAMFERED_THERMAL_(PQFN).PNG
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2016-01-16T21:44:31 < kakimir> celeron55: korjaa bitti
2016-01-16T21:44:46 < KreAture_> This works quite well
2016-01-16T21:44:47 < KreAture_> http://www.microchip.com/Developmenttools/ProductDetails.aspx?PartNO=TC2030-MCP
2016-01-16T21:46:07 < kakimir> wireless debug then
2016-01-16T21:47:42 < artag> kakimir: like listening to the current waveforms with an am radio ?
2016-01-16T21:48:52 < kakimir> I dont know
2016-01-16T21:48:56 < kakimir> you need to invent it
2016-01-16T21:50:46 < artag> it's already been invented, in the 60s/70s
2016-01-16T21:51:16 < celeron55> kakimir: älä jaksa, ei se ole minun hallinnassani
2016-01-16T22:01:43 < KreAture_> wrong
2016-01-16T22:02:02 < KreAture_> Matt Damon typed in numbers himself to change fix the software issue on Mars...
2016-01-16T22:02:04 < KreAture_> :p
2016-01-16T22:03:58 < upgrdman> sweet hard drive  http://i.imgur.com/KKXvaBw.jpg
2016-01-16T22:04:39 < KreAture_> I've seen worse
2016-01-16T22:05:55 < KreAture_> but yes, I don't want it
2016-01-16T22:05:57 < KreAture_> hehe
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2016-01-16T22:25:35 < Steffann> Such spoiler  KreAture_
2016-01-16T22:26:24 < BrainDamage> who was here that had fun encounters with the great firewall? this might be of interest: http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=81
2016-01-16T22:33:17 < upgrdman> me. *clicks*
2016-01-16T22:42:15 < kakimir> upgrdman: looks old old
2016-01-16T22:43:12 < KreAture_> lol Steffann
2016-01-16T22:43:47 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, that acticle pretty well sums up my experience in shanghai.
2016-01-16T22:43:59 < upgrdman> i use stunnel to wrap openvpn.
2016-01-16T22:44:06 < upgrdman> it worked, but yes... the packet loss.
2016-01-16T22:44:15 < upgrdman> literally worse than dial up
2016-01-16T22:44:42 < upgrdman> the .cn firewall blocks so much
2016-01-16T22:44:56 < upgrdman> no google, no youtube, no facebook, etc.
2016-01-16T22:45:14 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: you could try the random padding as he did, should pretty much fix it
2016-01-16T22:45:17 < upgrdman> R2COM, dunno about gay porn, but they dont block imgur.
2016-01-16T22:45:50 < BrainDamage> google is blocked because it doesn't censor enough the results
2016-01-16T22:46:15 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, not really. like the article said, they use machine learning. it's pretty obvious to them that im VPNing... lots of traffic going through port 443 encrypted... and im the ONLY person in .cn connecting to that port/server combo
2016-01-16T22:46:41 < BrainDamage> if you read the article it said with random padding it worked fine for a day
2016-01-16T22:46:54 < BrainDamage> just switch port the day after
2016-01-16T22:46:59 < upgrdman> yes. without padding my setup worked fine for a day as well
2016-01-16T22:47:13 < BrainDamage> so switch the port on a daily basis?
2016-01-16T22:47:21 < BrainDamage> incovenient, but doable
2016-01-16T22:47:28 < BrainDamage> could even script it
2016-01-16T22:47:56 < upgrdman> guess i could. kinda afraid to fuck with the VPN server settings when i have no way to fix them if i break them.
2016-01-16T22:48:23 < kakimir> if I want some arrays to be placed in memmory next to each other
2016-01-16T22:48:38 < upgrdman> kakimir, use a struct of arrays?
2016-01-16T22:48:43 < kakimir> hmm
2016-01-16T22:48:48 < kakimir> okay brah
2016-01-16T22:49:00 < upgrdman> struct {...} myCloselyPackedShit;
2016-01-16T22:49:02 < kakimir> nice idea
2016-01-16T22:49:15 < upgrdman> :)
2016-01-16T22:49:23 < kakimir> let's do it
2016-01-16T22:50:47 < jpa-> bah.. http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/pix/lga14.jpg
2016-01-16T22:53:02 < kakimir> hot snot?
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2016-01-16T23:05:05 < Laurenceb_> is there a fault under that epoxy?
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2016-01-16T23:05:36 < kakimir> wait
2016-01-16T23:05:44 < kakimir> it's dead bug
2016-01-16T23:05:50 < kakimir> under hot snot
2016-01-16T23:06:45 < Laurenceb_> looks ok to me
2016-01-16T23:06:52 < Laurenceb_> as long as it works
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2016-01-16T23:08:03 < kakimir> as long you dont apply vibration or heator both
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2016-01-16T23:10:34 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfIY24BErBE
2016-01-16T23:11:56 < jpa-> kakimir: i'll be applying both; but as far as i can tell, under epoxy it is probably more reliable than normally soldered chip without glue
2016-01-16T23:12:19 < jpa-> Laurenceb_: fortunately no.. but somehow i failed that LGA soldering and finally tore some pads, so had to deadbug it
2016-01-16T23:12:31 < kakimir> did you clean surface?
2016-01-16T23:13:11 < Laurenceb_> not as awesome as Ballmer
2016-01-16T23:13:25 < jpa-> kakimir: sure, i know how to glue things
2016-01-16T23:14:50 < kakimir> so it's some.. car engine management something?
2016-01-16T23:15:09 < jpa-> ? just my ebike controller
2016-01-16T23:27:30 < kakimir> how did you fail it?
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2016-01-16T23:48:58 < Laurenceb_> http://www.tranquilityaerospace.com/TranqWeb/Projects.html
2016-01-16T23:49:01 < Laurenceb_>  lolling
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2016-01-17T01:07:27 < Laurenceb_> why did I know that was coming
2016-01-17T01:07:33 < Laurenceb_> also buzzfeed == cancer
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2016-01-17T01:07:52 < kakimir> that is true
2016-01-17T01:08:00 < PeterM> Laurenceb_, now now, dont be mean to poor ol cancer
2016-01-17T01:10:53 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5FNjyaLfC8 what do you think of this old car?
2016-01-17T01:12:29 < kakimir> drove it one
2016-01-17T01:12:38 < kakimir> once
2016-01-17T01:13:39 < kakimir> I wonder if new ones have better fuel economy
2016-01-17T01:22:39 < Sync> they don't
2016-01-17T01:22:43 < Sync> still fun
2016-01-17T01:24:37 < kakimir> have one?
2016-01-17T01:25:18 < Sync> no, but I spent some time messing around with rotaries
2016-01-17T01:26:31 < kakimir> how do you tune that thing?
2016-01-17T01:26:42 < kakimir> without changing engine totally
2016-01-17T01:27:09 < kakimir> or adding more "pistons" to it
2016-01-17T01:27:33 < kakimir> I don't have clear figure how much that can output easily
2016-01-17T01:27:49 < Sync> well adding rotors is possible
2016-01-17T01:27:57 < kakimir> snap on?
2016-01-17T01:28:13 < Sync> haha, no, it is pretty involved
2016-01-17T01:28:17 < Sync> you need a custom crank
2016-01-17T01:28:20 < Sync> but it is possible
2016-01-17T01:28:44 < Sync> usually you port the engine or add bigger turbos
2016-01-17T01:28:45 < kakimir> if I want some power based on stock engine
2016-01-17T01:28:58 < kakimir> okay porting
2016-01-17T01:29:08 < kakimir> add turbo that was never there
2016-01-17T01:29:19 < kakimir> or is it stock?
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2016-01-17T01:30:07 < Sync> the rx7 was turbocharged
2016-01-17T01:30:11 < Sync> and the engine will fit
2016-01-17T01:30:21 < kakimir> that is typical
2016-01-17T01:30:24 < kakimir> to fit it
2016-01-17T01:30:27 < kakimir> into rx8
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2016-01-17T01:30:34 < Sync> no
2016-01-17T01:30:38 < Sync> people just drive rx7s
2016-01-17T01:30:42 < jadew> yes!
2016-01-17T01:30:45 < kakimir> true
2016-01-17T01:31:10 < kakimir> and... add power to those
2016-01-17T01:31:16 < kakimir> pretty enought
2016-01-17T01:31:56 < kakimir> so with rotary you replace the engine every 50kmiles?
2016-01-17T01:32:04 < kakimir> or big amount of stuff
2016-01-17T01:32:14 < Lux> upgrdman, BrainDamage there was a talk at the 32c3 on the gfw https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7196-how_the_great_firewall_discovers_hidden_circumvention_servers
2016-01-17T01:32:16 < kakimir> how much it costs?
2016-01-17T01:32:20 < Sync> not really
2016-01-17T01:32:24 < Sync> they last quite a long time
2016-01-17T01:32:30 < Sync> if you drive them like you stole them
2016-01-17T01:32:36 < Lux> pretty interesting imo
2016-01-17T01:33:05 < kakimir> 100k miles?
2016-01-17T01:33:56 < Sync> it depends, usually they last until the shell is crashed
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2016-01-17T01:38:43 < kakimir> shell is crashed?
2016-01-17T01:38:55 < kakimir> you mean you crash before it wears out?
2016-01-17T01:39:35 < kakimir> butt I meant those seals and stuff
2016-01-17T01:39:47 < kakimir> every 50kmile or 100kmile or so
2016-01-17T01:39:56 < kakimir> take it to partiles
2016-01-17T01:40:05 < kakimir> replace all stuff
2016-01-17T01:40:15 < Sync> for the average non tuned car they last the lifetime
2016-01-17T01:40:27 < Sync> the only important thing is to drive it like an asshole
2016-01-17T01:40:43 < kakimir> give it proper use?
2016-01-17T01:41:30 < Sync> the problem is, if you drive it at low rpm they tend to develop oil deposits
2016-01-17T01:41:36 < Sync> which restricts the movement of the apex seals
2016-01-17T01:41:36 < kakimir> oh
2016-01-17T01:41:41 < Sync> and then they die
2016-01-17T01:41:50 < kakimir> I love to drive low rpm
2016-01-17T01:41:59 < kakimir> as low as possible
2016-01-17T01:42:11 < kakimir> maybe alternative is to drive fast
2016-01-17T01:43:33 < Sync> if you don't like your big end bearings, that is a good thing to do
2016-01-17T01:43:51 < kakimir> 2) then drive without licence
2016-01-17T01:45:03 < kakimir> best thing is to have big diesel that sustains cityspeeds without trouble @ 1krpm
2016-01-17T01:45:31 < kakimir> and highway speeds bellow 2krpm
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2016-01-17T01:46:04 < kakimir> 6cylinder to say
2016-01-17T01:46:25 < kakimir> has smooth power delivery and nice sound
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2016-01-17T01:48:35 < kakimir> german 3litre V6 of course
2016-01-17T01:49:17 < kakimir> there is even 4litre ones but those are rare
2016-01-17T01:51:17 < kakimir> I have 2litre inline-4 tdi
2016-01-17T01:51:27 < kakimir> 2001 old smoker
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2016-01-17T01:55:01 < kakimir> do you end comments with "."
2016-01-17T01:55:04 < kakimir> or without
2016-01-17T01:55:07 < kakimir> or both
2016-01-17T01:55:12 < kakimir> and does it have logic
2016-01-17T01:55:19 < jadew> in code?
2016-01-17T01:55:21 < kakimir> long or short comment
2016-01-17T01:55:33 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-17T01:55:54 < kakimir> line comment or comment
2016-01-17T01:56:09 < jadew> it's a good idea to always use .
2016-01-17T01:56:15 < kakimir> I spend some time removing or adding points
2016-01-17T01:56:20 < kakimir> I just removed every point
2016-01-17T01:56:26 < kakimir> are you serious
2016-01-17T01:56:30 < jadew> if it's describing a big block, always use .
2016-01-17T01:56:36 < jadew> for example if you're describing a function
2016-01-17T01:56:40 < jadew> or a class, or whatever
2016-01-17T01:56:44 < kakimir> sure
2016-01-17T01:56:50 < jadew> but if you're commenting on a small bit of code
2016-01-17T01:56:55 < jadew> // Do something
2016-01-17T01:57:01 < jadew> that works
2016-01-17T01:57:14 < jadew> what bothers me is if I want to have two sentences
2016-01-17T01:57:21 < kakimir> uint16_t data;    //Stored data
2016-01-17T01:57:26 < jadew> then I have to say // Do something. Blah blah.
2016-01-17T01:57:40 < jadew> and then it will be different from every other comment
2016-01-17T01:57:56 < jadew> but it's something I'm learning to live with
2016-01-17T01:58:00 < kakimir> #define DATA_GROUP_MAX_SIZE 128   //Maximum size for data group. Limited by memory amount or addressing format
2016-01-17T01:58:08 < kakimir> see no point there
2016-01-17T01:58:18 < jadew> yeah, that's not ok
2016-01-17T01:58:22 < kakimir> no
2016-01-17T01:58:42 < kakimir> I think coders should have their own rules
2016-01-17T01:58:43 < jadew> I suppose you have to at least be consistent in the same comment :)
2016-01-17T01:58:55 < kakimir> to abuse language as they wish
2016-01-17T01:59:08 < jadew> sure
2016-01-17T01:59:31 < kakimir> this will trouble me as long as I live
2016-01-17T01:59:56 < jadew> I struggle with this too, but what I can't make my mind on is if I should add the dot for small comments too or not
2016-01-17T02:00:05 < jadew> for line comments
2016-01-17T02:01:28 < jadew> I have to buy something for my birthday :D
2016-01-17T02:01:33 < kakimir> a cake
2016-01-17T02:01:45 < jadew> someone else will do that
2016-01-17T02:01:56 < kakimir> erotic dancer?
2016-01-17T02:02:17 < jadew> married
2016-01-17T02:02:46 < kakimir> how are you allowed to irc all nigth?
2016-01-17T02:02:49 < kakimir> :D
2016-01-17T02:03:07 < jadew> I can't sleep
2016-01-17T02:03:10 < kakimir> you have some tablet under you pillow
2016-01-17T02:03:23 < kakimir> rite?
2016-01-17T02:03:40 < jadew> nah, it's been my schedule since... highschool
2016-01-17T02:03:47 < jadew> I just stay up all night
2016-01-17T02:04:06 < jadew> in the morning
2016-01-17T02:04:49 < kakimir> are you me?
2016-01-17T02:05:18 < jadew> heh
2016-01-17T02:05:58 < jadew> working on anything at night is 100X better than during the day
2016-01-17T02:06:05 < jadew> except if you want to drill something
2016-01-17T02:06:11 < kakimir> that is true
2016-01-17T02:06:44 < jadew> 1) nobody calls you during the night.
2016-01-17T02:07:06 < jadew> 2) it's super quiet.
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2016-01-17T02:07:17 < jadew> and that's about it
2016-01-17T02:07:43 < kakimir> and it can be spooky
2016-01-17T02:07:48 < kakimir> and lonely
2016-01-17T02:08:15 < jadew> well, if it ever gets spooky, I crawl next to my wife in bed :D
2016-01-17T02:08:30 < jadew> she'll protect me!
2016-01-17T02:08:45 < jadew> just don't watch horror movies
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2016-01-17T02:09:16 < jadew> or whatever dongs and upgrdman link into the channel
2016-01-17T02:09:44 < kakimir> in night you can awake to your soul draining
2016-01-17T02:09:49 < kakimir> irc is closed
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2016-01-17T02:09:59 < kakimir> internet is nothing new
2016-01-17T02:10:11 < kakimir> too tired to work
2016-01-17T02:10:45 < jadew> what do you mean?
2016-01-17T02:11:52 < kakimir> moments of emptiness
2016-01-17T02:12:50 < jadew> like... when you have nothing to do?
2016-01-17T02:13:15 < kakimir> kind of
2016-01-17T02:13:36 < kakimir> halt at early hours
2016-01-17T02:14:36 < jadew> I don't get that too often
2016-01-17T02:14:41 < jadew> if I'm bored, I shop
2016-01-17T02:15:00 < kakimir> If I'm bored.. I don't have money
2016-01-17T02:15:05 < jadew> lol
2016-01-17T02:15:05 < kakimir> it's goof
2016-01-17T02:15:16 < kakimir> I dont really need anything
2016-01-17T02:15:18 < jadew> you don't have to buy anything right away
2016-01-17T02:15:21 < jadew> you can always plan
2016-01-17T02:15:32 < kakimir> I have
2016-01-17T02:17:43 < kakimir> but even shopping is like..  continuum
2016-01-17T02:18:00 < kakimir> there rarely is endpoints to it
2016-01-17T02:20:26 < kakimir> and when your economy is in halted state
2016-01-17T02:20:35 < kakimir> you can't plan forward
2016-01-17T02:21:30 < kakimir> and current plans take more detail, some are out of reach, some you realize are vain
2016-01-17T02:23:21 < kakimir> I think it useful but painfully boring
2016-01-17T02:23:46 < kakimir> but relieving when there is so much you can just not reach
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2016-01-17T02:40:03 < kakimir> chat killer
2016-01-17T02:46:07 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wpm-gesOY writin that timezone support
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2016-01-17T02:52:09 < upgrdman> Lux, interesting gfw video. thanks.
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2016-01-17T03:03:36 < Getty> kakimir: so sad that people still use languages where those problems are not solved ;)
2016-01-17T03:07:09 < Getty> btw, wanted to suggest http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3011894/ to everyone in here with anger problems ;)
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2016-01-17T03:18:49 < kakimir> I rather write arrow head to my clay boards
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2016-01-17T03:53:07 < upgrdman> is kickass.to down for you guys?
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2016-01-17T04:19:18 < PeterM> nah kat works for me
2016-01-17T04:19:24 < PeterM> kat.cr
2016-01-17T04:19:35 < PeterM> slow as shit tho
2016-01-17T04:19:48 < upgrdman> took like 5mins for me.
2016-01-17T04:20:19 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP_2ak1IFwk&feature=youtu.be
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2016-01-17T04:33:43 < kakimir> time for lullaby Laurenceb_
2016-01-17T04:34:23 < Laurenceb_> http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=34837
2016-01-17T04:34:26 < Laurenceb_> aliens
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2016-01-17T04:36:08 < kakimir> have motorcycle Laurenceb_ ?
2016-01-17T04:36:14 < Laurenceb_> no
2016-01-17T04:36:29 < kakimir> ever had?
2016-01-17T04:37:42 < Laurenceb_> nope
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2016-01-17T04:39:26 < kakimir> buy R1
2016-01-17T04:40:22 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3lBTuoSQew
2016-01-17T04:42:28 < kakimir> sound of little itch on knees and elbows
2016-01-17T04:42:36 < kakimir> and little back pain
2016-01-17T04:44:25 < kakimir> for noobs
2016-01-17T04:46:49 < Laurenceb_> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jJjFgMHwNiE/VjOSdT52KuI/AAAAAAAABcI/khvxeidoCIw/s1600/things_not_seen_ben_garrison.jpg
2016-01-17T04:54:18 < kakimir> basically that hasn't happend in any place
2016-01-17T04:55:46 < dongs> mikrodick is here
2016-01-17T04:56:22 < dongs> kakimir: beacuse rdson like 2.8ohm
2016-01-17T04:56:43 < dongs> where is irlml is 0.05ohm
2016-01-17T04:56:45 < kakimir> how my amps you need to pull thru that sot23?
2016-01-17T04:56:52 < kakimir> 32amperes?
2016-01-17T04:57:16 < kakimir> I need like 20mA
2016-01-17T04:57:20 < kakimir> to drive optos
2016-01-17T04:57:50 < dongs> also gate threshold is lower on irlml
2016-01-17T04:57:54 < dongs> shrug, it'll work
2016-01-17T04:57:57 < dongs> just sayin
2016-01-17T04:58:06 < dongs> cuz i dont wanna stock 21342 different pfets, i have one that works and is used everywhere
2016-01-17T04:58:13 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-17T04:58:16 < kakimir> or maybe 2
2016-01-17T04:58:22 < kakimir> one high performin
2016-01-17T04:58:28 < kakimir> one general shiet
2016-01-17T04:59:26 < dongs> mikrodick box is fucking amazing
2016-01-17T04:59:40 < dongs> such enclosure for 250bux or wahtever it was, wow
2016-01-17T05:00:28 < dongs> kakimir: yeah. i havent bothered with general purpose tho. i have MMBT3904/3906 for pnp/npn transistors, and then NDS355AN for nfet (not really great either), or that IRLM for p
2016-01-17T05:00:56 < PeterM> i dont mind the ao3400/3407 for n and pfet, china has them super cheap
2016-01-17T05:01:35 < dongs> nice rdson too
2016-01-17T05:01:36 < dongs> cool
2016-01-17T05:04:07 < dongs> pretty good production value
2016-01-17T05:04:13 < PeterM> mate. kurt russell
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2016-01-17T05:10:54 < upgrdman> dsp pros: with a non-flat noise floor, where do you define the noise floor? for example:  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/delta_sigma_adc_simulation3.png ... -80dBFS or -70dBFS ?
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2016-01-17T05:35:10 < dongs> i thought you were on 4k monitor
2016-01-17T05:35:13 < dongs> why is ytour shit 1080
2016-01-17T05:36:01 < upgrdman> im on 4k but eclipse faggots dont yet support display scaling, so i added a java manifest file to run them at low rez.
2016-01-17T05:36:12 < dongs> wot
2016-01-17T05:36:16 < upgrdman> so i scaled my screenshot instead of wasting a bunch of dixels
2016-01-17T05:37:01 < upgrdman> eclipse bug report says they should support dick scaling for next release
2016-01-17T05:38:47 < upgrdman> eclipse mars sr2 is due february 24 2016
2016-01-17T05:39:18 < dongs> i solve this by running dicklipse in VM
2016-01-17T05:39:25 < dongs> usb passthrough for jtag, done
2016-01-17T05:39:35 < upgrdman> why use vm tho
2016-01-17T05:39:39 < dongs> > java
2016-01-17T05:39:50 < upgrdman> win has java
2016-01-17T05:39:54 < dongs> ?
2016-01-17T05:40:00 < upgrdman> windows has java
2016-01-17T05:40:06 < dongs> no?
2016-01-17T05:40:24 < upgrdman> ? why run it in a vm. you can use java and eclipse on win10
2016-01-17T05:41:12 < dongs> because id ont want java installed on my desktop
2016-01-17T05:41:22 < upgrdman> you scared
2016-01-17T05:42:05 < dongs> nope
2016-01-17T05:42:20 < dongs> just like lunix, i dont believe in single purpose libs needing to be installed
2016-01-17T05:42:26 < dongs> if app X needs a lib that NOTHING ELSE WILL USE
2016-01-17T05:42:29 < dongs> fucking statically link that shit to hte app
2016-01-17T05:42:35 < dongs> i dont need libfuckoff-0.1 polluting my system
2016-01-17T05:42:36 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-17T05:42:55 < upgrdman> but you're happy wasting gigs on a whole VM
2016-01-17T05:43:06 < dongs> thats fine, I have a lot of VMs
2016-01-17T05:49:00 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6dc_1452962270 haha
2016-01-17T05:54:32 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/3I7Aix54.html why would anyone do this
2016-01-17T05:54:35 < dongs> like, whats hte point
2016-01-17T05:54:58 < dongs> vs a single #define
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2016-01-17T06:54:57 < upgrdman> dongs, re: ll link... wtf. any background info?
2016-01-17T06:58:42 < upgrdman> dongs, wouldn't "r" be 4 on most systems? since arrays are just pointers.
2016-01-17T07:00:24 < dongs> nah sizeof buf is 512
2016-01-17T07:00:36 < dongs> but its dumb because if for some insane reason it would be padded your shit wrould break anyway
2016-01-17T07:00:47 < dongs> and its probly all compile-time optimized anyway
2016-01-17T07:00:54 < dongs> so migh as well jut have #define BLOCK_SIZE (512) or someshit
2016-01-17T07:01:04 < upgrdman> ya
2016-01-17T07:05:25 < dongs> hehe
2016-01-17T07:05:29 < dongs> refactoring SD card code
2016-01-17T07:05:41 < dongs> there was a shitload of copypasted 5-byte SPI transactions
2016-01-17T07:05:46 < dongs> like 0x40 | cmd , write arg, write crc
2016-01-17T07:05:50 < dongs> moved that into separate function
2016-01-17T07:05:53 < dongs> then was doing CMD58
2016-01-17T07:06:06 < dongs> was too stoned, wrote sd_cmd(0x58, arg, ...)
2016-01-17T07:06:06 < dongs> lo
2016-01-17T07:10:56 < dongs> haha wow
2016-01-17T07:11:01 < dongs> that mistake actually totally tarshed the sd cardr
2016-01-17T07:11:05 < dongs> had to reformat it
2016-01-17T07:40:50 < ReadError> https://u.pomf.is/yxlyqb.png
2016-01-17T08:02:40 < dongs> why the fuck not?
2016-01-17T08:26:23 < Rob235> hmm
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2016-01-17T11:16:00 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/e8Y0rqQ.gifv
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2016-01-17T12:51:31 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/Deluxe-Snorting-Kit-Not-Cocaine/dp/B00VA65QZW/
2016-01-17T12:51:33 < ReadError> erm
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2016-01-17T13:25:07 < dongs> upgrdman: beep
2016-01-17T13:26:01 < dongs> what the hell where do I download official sores for lpc1769 like latest cmsis/lib/etc
2016-01-17T13:26:44 < dongs> ST site sucks but at least i can find stdperiphlib in like 3 clicks
2016-01-17T13:30:44 < dongs> http://ics.nxp.com/support/documents/microcontrollers/zip/lpc17xx.cmsis.driver.library.zip apparently this if not 404
2016-01-17T13:31:00 < dongs> dead as fuck site, GREAT
2016-01-17T13:32:50 < celeron55> i don't understand how these companies stay in business
2016-01-17T13:33:20 < celeron55> surely if somebody actually cared about software quality and availability, everyone would switch to that one
2016-01-17T13:34:12 < dongs> srsly
2016-01-17T13:35:31 < celeron55> maybe i need to buy one of these microcontroller companies and make things right
2016-01-17T13:36:21 < celeron55> i just need an investor with common sense
2016-01-17T13:36:41 < dongs> buy atmel before microchip gets to it
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2016-01-17T13:54:27 < Sync> dongs should open a chiphouse and make everything better
2016-01-17T13:59:47 < zyp> upgrdman, arrays are not pointers
2016-01-17T14:00:17 < zyp> they can be implicitly cast to one though, which is where the misconception comes from
2016-01-17T14:02:30 < PeterM> yeah dongs, but hitachi or somehting, surely they'll only cosst like $300 by now
2016-01-17T14:05:34 < KreAture_> dongs are st fixing shit in their old lib or is everything devoted to the cube?
2016-01-17T14:05:42 < Rob235> I'm going to regret this decision to pull an all nighter
2016-01-17T14:06:04 < dongs> KreAture_: fixing
2016-01-17T14:06:04 < Rob235> not to pull, did pull
2016-01-17T14:06:08 < KreAture_> Just reset local to before you started Rob235
2016-01-17T14:06:10 < KreAture_> :p
2016-01-17T14:06:17 < jpa-> KreAture_: bugs in st lib? not happen
2016-01-17T14:06:31 < KreAture_> dongs awsome, so in essence one is not bound to cube
2016-01-17T14:06:36 < KreAture_> lol jpa-
2016-01-17T14:07:00 < jpa-> one is not bound to st libs in any case
2016-01-17T14:07:08 < jpa-> a lot of the time you might be happier without
2016-01-17T14:07:55 < KreAture_> jpa- it is really only the registry tree and the bit defs you need
2016-01-17T14:08:02 < jpa-> yep
2016-01-17T14:08:14 < KreAture_> Have you looked at the hal stuff for dma ?
2016-01-17T14:08:22 < KreAture_> It enables the channel you ask for and does a reasing
2016-01-17T14:08:25 < KreAture_> reading
2016-01-17T14:08:36 < KreAture_> call it again with a different channel though, and you get a surprise
2016-01-17T14:08:49 < KreAture_> it never resets channel select bits
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2016-01-17T14:26:11 < dongs> what do i use for hex2bin
2016-01-17T14:26:20 < dongs> like to turn firmware hex into .bin shit
2016-01-17T14:26:26 < dongs> assuming its just one block without empty spaces
2016-01-17T14:26:44 < zyp> objcopy should be able to do that
2016-01-17T14:26:58 < dongs> but that needs lunix :(
2016-01-17T14:27:09 < zyp> not strictly, no
2016-01-17T14:30:18 < dongs> heh, fucking great.
2016-01-17T14:40:11 < Steffanx> keil has a wizard for it.
2016-01-17T14:40:30 < dongs> youre not wrong
2016-01-17T14:47:14 < mitrax> what is required to enable DFU programming on a STM32F429 besides setting BOOT0 to VDD?
2016-01-17T14:48:18 < dongs> that, and a usb connector
2016-01-17T14:48:23 < mitrax> ahah
2016-01-17T14:48:45 < dongs> you forgot the usb scoket??
2016-01-17T14:49:39 < mitrax> no :) one thing though, if the board is 3.3V only, it should still be able to act as USB device right? (i understand host requires VBUS to power devices)
2016-01-17T14:49:56 < dongs> guess so
2016-01-17T14:50:01 < dongs> zyp would know
2016-01-17T14:50:21 < zyp> yes, usb signalling is 3.3V anyway
2016-01-17T14:50:59 < mitrax> ok thanks
2016-01-17T14:51:06 < zyp> read AN2606 for how to use the ROM bootloader
2016-01-17T14:51:43 < zyp> my guess is that you need vbus hooked up to the appropriate pin
2016-01-17T14:51:50 < dongs> jerkware is fucking awful. they do something fucky with PLL settings and they deadlock on boot
2016-01-17T15:21:12 < mitrax> zyp: yeah, i duplicated the OTG circuitry of the discovery board so hopefully, i should be ok (VBUS is connected to the VBUS pin, and there's an AP2161W switch that sends +5V to VBUS when the mcu acts as host), from AN2606 seems like no pull-up to VCC is required on D+ for DFU on the F42x
2016-01-17T15:23:52 < zyp> it's all built in
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2016-01-17T15:37:00 < mitrax> do you guys know of cheapo 1 or 2 positions SMD dip switch?
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2016-01-17T16:39:05 < dongs> hmm
2016-01-17T16:39:17 < dongs> is there a clever way to find out what to set SCB->VTOR to on boot
2016-01-17T16:39:21 < dongs> without hardcoding it?
2016-01-17T16:39:51 < dongs> ie if i build firmware to run at 0 or 2000 or whatever
2016-01-17T16:41:07 < Sync> oh haha wow
2016-01-17T16:41:15 < Sync> the isolated stlink is like 74€
2016-01-17T16:41:19 < dongs> no
2016-01-17T16:41:21 < dongs> 24.99 i think?
2016-01-17T16:41:34 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ST-LINK%2FV2/497-10484-ND/2214535
2016-01-17T16:41:35 < dongs> cheaper now.
2016-01-17T16:41:43 < dongs> but yeah, some places charge a shitload for the standalone thing
2016-01-17T16:41:44 < dongs> no idea why
2016-01-17T16:42:07 < dongs> zyp, halp me out :)
2016-01-17T16:42:34 < Sync> dongs: isolated.
2016-01-17T16:42:39 < dongs> oh
2016-01-17T16:43:08 < dongs> well fuck you for wanting some serious tools
2016-01-17T16:43:23 < dongs> go lop off half the discovery board
2016-01-17T16:43:29 < dongs> !!1111
2016-01-17T16:43:29 < Sync> well, I'd rather not have my computer explode when flashing shit
2016-01-17T16:44:48 < Sync> innovating around STs 1.4kW DPFC
2016-01-17T16:45:06 < dongs> oh okay
2016-01-17T16:45:50 < dongs> still trying to figure out how to set vtor programmatically
2016-01-17T16:45:54 < Sync> and meh, shits gonna explode otherwise
2016-01-17T16:46:10 < zyp> dongs, huh?
2016-01-17T16:46:28 < dongs> zyp, i want my userspace firmware to magically set vtor depending if its running fro 0x0 or from somewhere else
2016-01-17T16:46:45 < zyp> well
2016-01-17T16:47:03 < zyp> how can your firmware run from anywhere else than what it's linked for?
2016-01-17T16:47:08 < dongs> yes yes
2016-01-17T16:47:14 < dongs> i KNOW its linked to run off xxx
2016-01-17T16:47:21 < dongs> but there's no connection between xxx and setting vtor
2016-01-17T16:47:39 < dongs> i wann change start address in keil platform dialog, and not have to edit a .c file to change it.
2016-01-17T16:47:49 < dongs> basically,lazy.
2016-01-17T16:48:06 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwIG0Azev_w
2016-01-17T16:48:08 < Laurenceb_> gui tard
2016-01-17T16:48:12 < dongs> The last link has been flagged by IRC NANNY as "Possibly Unsuitable". Please find your parent(s) first and have them check the content before opening. [this channel protected by IrCNaNNY by SafeSoft v1.0b]
2016-01-17T16:48:13 < zyp> how does keil do the vector table then?
2016-01-17T16:48:40 < zyp> with gcc, vector table is just a plain array that gets put into a special section
2016-01-17T16:48:56 < zyp> and since it's an array, you can just read that symbol to get the addr
2016-01-17T16:49:10 < dongs> ohhh mm
2016-01-17T16:49:24 < dongs> sdtats in startup.s or wahtever right?
2016-01-17T16:49:39 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/interrupt/interrupt.cpp#n92 <- like this shit
2016-01-17T16:49:50 < dongs> __Vectors
2016-01-17T16:50:02 < zyp> so I could just do something like SCB.VTOR = (uint32_t)&vectors;
2016-01-17T16:50:06 < dongs> yar
2016-01-17T16:50:08 < dongs> oaky
2016-01-17T16:50:50 < zyp> IMO SCB_VTOR should be set by the bootloader and not by the target
2016-01-17T16:51:26 < zyp> so another solution is just «don't use shitty bootloaders»
2016-01-17T16:51:31 < dongs> really now
2016-01-17T16:51:40 < dongs> zyp, i just finished cleaning up this fucking bootloader to NOT set that.
2016-01-17T16:52:01 < zyp> sounds dumb
2016-01-17T16:52:02 < dongs> because i jump to user by reset + check of memory byte in reset vector
2016-01-17T16:52:10 < dongs> yeah but userspace does even dumber shit
2016-01-17T16:52:12 < dongs> that I dont wanna deal with
2016-01-17T16:52:18 < dongs> i would rather reset to it from clean setup
2016-01-17T16:55:14 < dongs> zyp, VTOR doesnt survive NVIC_SystemReset right?
2016-01-17T16:58:49 < zyp> correct
2016-01-17T16:59:19 < zyp> nothing that has a defined reset value does, apart from RCC domain
2016-01-17T17:00:27 < dongs> i dont see how they ever expected this to work
2016-01-17T17:00:43 < dongs> there was a super hacky jump that involved turning off PLLs and shit and switching to intrc then jumping to user code
2016-01-17T17:00:48 < dongs> which then froze doing ???
2016-01-17T17:00:58 < dongs> so I just tore all that shit out including setting vtor from bootloader and everyhting works
2016-01-17T17:03:18 < zyp> haha
2016-01-17T17:03:33 < zyp> I just do a full reset for either switch
2016-01-17T17:03:56 < dongs> full reset how?
2016-01-17T17:04:19 < zyp> the equivalent of NVIC_SystemReset
2016-01-17T17:04:35 < dongs> but that doesnt come back to your code anymore?
2016-01-17T17:06:01 < mitrax> on the board i currently have i have BOOT0 wired to GND, say i want to play with the DFU bootloader, can i simply jump to the DFU bootloader address during startup? (e.g in Reset_Handler)
2016-01-17T17:06:10 < dongs> yes
2016-01-17T17:06:15 < zyp> my bootloader always runs first
2016-01-17T17:06:20 < dongs> i've done this exactly like that and it works
2016-01-17T17:06:25 < dongs> zyp, of course
2016-01-17T17:06:28 < dongs> and?
2016-01-17T17:06:33 < zyp> starts by determining whether to do a normal boot or bootloader mode
2016-01-17T17:06:35 < dongs> right
2016-01-17T17:06:44 < dongs> same here
2016-01-17T17:06:50 < zyp> bootloader periph init doesn't happen until after it's decided to run bootloader
2016-01-17T17:06:52 < dongs> and if it does normal boot, it writes shit to last byte of ram, then resets
2016-01-17T17:07:10 < dongs> then reset vector checks that byte and goes to userspace
2016-01-17T17:07:16 < dongs> skipping SYstemInit() and main()
2016-01-17T17:07:25 < zyp> yeah, that's similar
2016-01-17T17:07:37 < dongs> so where would I set VTOR
2016-01-17T17:07:43 < dongs> i dont wanna write setting that shit in ASM
2016-01-17T17:07:48 < dongs> writing the jump was ragey enough
2016-01-17T17:07:49 < zyp> right before the userspace switch
2016-01-17T17:08:11 < dongs> before or after setmsp?
2016-01-17T17:08:32 < zyp> doesn't matter, as long as it's before the jump
2016-01-17T17:08:36 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/bootloader.cpp#n19
2016-01-17T17:08:36 < dongs> sure
2016-01-17T17:08:40 < dongs> didnt work tho.
2016-01-17T17:09:44 < zyp> what does SystemInit do?
2016-01-17T17:09:53 < dongs> its the cmsis shit
2016-01-17T17:09:55 < dongs> setup clocks and shit
2016-01-17T17:09:59 < zyp> oh
2016-01-17T17:10:07 < zyp> I decoupled that from startup code completely
2016-01-17T17:10:13 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-17T17:10:18 < dongs> there's no real reason for it to be tehre
2016-01-17T17:10:44 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/bootloader.cpp#n277 <- see how main() calls rcc_init() only after determining that it's not jumping to user firmware
2016-01-17T17:11:13 < dongs> yeah.
2016-01-17T17:11:15 < dongs> oh well.
2016-01-17T17:11:21 < dongs> this hax will work for now
2016-01-17T17:11:32 < dongs> now i gotta write a bootlaoder updating userspace.
2016-01-17T17:11:45 < dongs> because the dumb board this is going on is inside shit and i dont wanna hookup swd to it
2016-01-17T17:12:53 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1452453002216.png
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2016-01-17T17:36:52 < dongs> is that jenga thing because 9/11
2016-01-17T17:48:07 < jpa-> bah, the guy earlier today who didn't know how to download a file.. now he has resolved it and thinks i want to know: "I'll try to send you a detailed procedure for windows 10."
2016-01-17T17:48:25 < dongs> i bet
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2016-01-17T18:03:55 < mitrax> in Reset_Handler i jump immediately to 0x1FFF0000 which is the address of the bootloader on F429, though the host computer doesn't detect any usb device, did i miss something?
2016-01-17T18:05:22 < PaulFertser> mitrax: jump how exactly?
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2016-01-17T18:07:18 < mitrax> PaulFerster: http://pastebin.com/YPFgMbvc
2016-01-17T18:09:25 < PaulFertser> mitrax: looks sane. I'm not sure if you also need to alter VTOR (vector table address) for the usb bootloader to work properly.
2016-01-17T18:13:11 < PaulFertser> clive1 says "that you might want to map the ROM at zero before entering DFU."
2016-01-17T18:13:44 < mitrax> yeah i just did that, from https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/STM32Java/Flat.aspx?RootFolder=https%3a%2f%2fmy.st.com%2fpublic%2fSTe2ecommunities%2fmcu%2fLists%2fSTM32Java%2fjumping%20to%20the%20bootloader%20via%20software%20does%20not%20permit%20dfu%20mode&FolderCTID=0x01200200770978C69A1141439FE559EB459D758000F9A0E3A95BA69146A17C2E80209ADC21&currentviews=992
2016-01-17T18:15:19 < PaulFertser> mitrax: but you doesn't seem to be doing rom remap in your code.
2016-01-17T18:15:52 < mitrax> PaulFertser: no no, but i modified it 30 sec later to try that remap to 0 thing
2016-01-17T18:17:13 < PaulFertser> mitrax: probably it would be easier if you could compare with something that must work, i.e. BOOTx pins set to enter the DFU bootloader unconditionally.
2016-01-17T18:17:22 < PaulFertser> To ensure your hw is proper.
2016-01-17T18:20:46 < mitrax> PaulFertser: yeah :/ i wish i could, i made the mistake of connecting BOOT0 to ground on that board, silly me
2016-01-17T18:21:01 < PaulFertser> mitrax: and no way to cut the trace?
2016-01-17T18:23:32 < mitrax> oh wait i'm not that stupid, i connected it to ground through a resistor, ahah
2016-01-17T18:30:52 < zyp> mitrax, you literally jump to 0x1fff0000, or you jump to the reset vector from the table located at 0x1fff0000?
2016-01-17T18:32:30 < PaulFertser> zyp: the latter, according to his paste
2016-01-17T18:32:57 < zyp> ah, missed the paste
2016-01-17T18:33:56 < zyp> hey, wait
2016-01-17T18:34:22 < zyp> «ldr R0, =0x1FFF0000»
2016-01-17T18:34:27 < zyp> what does that instruction do?
2016-01-17T18:35:02 < zyp> I'm not familiar with this asm syntax
2016-01-17T18:35:20 < dongs> zyp, that just loads literal?
2016-01-17T18:35:23 < dongs> he wants to jump to  DFU iguess
2016-01-17T18:35:30 < dongs> and i hope he checked the RM for proper address
2016-01-17T18:35:49 < kakimir> dongs are you still up
2016-01-17T18:35:53 < dongs> nope
2016-01-17T18:36:01 < zyp> sure, I'm just not sure it does what he believes it does
2016-01-17T18:36:21 < zyp> apparently it's a pseudo-instruction
2016-01-17T18:36:22 < zyp> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0041c/Babbfdih.html
2016-01-17T18:36:30 < dongs>                 LDR     R0, =0x10007FFC
2016-01-17T18:36:34 < dongs> zyp, my keil does same
2016-01-17T18:36:41 < zyp> which makes sense, because there's no ldr that takes a 32-bit literal
2016-01-17T18:36:52 < dongs> LDR     R0, =0x00004000
2016-01-17T18:36:52 < dongs> etc
2016-01-17T18:37:08 < zyp> «If the value of expression is not within range of a MOV or MVN instruction, the assembler places the constant in a literal pool and generates a program-relative LDR instruction that reads the constant from the literal pool.»
2016-01-17T18:37:12 < zyp> which makes sense
2016-01-17T18:37:14 < zyp> all good.
2016-01-17T18:37:57 < dongs> how do I erase first sector of myself after flashing bootloader? :)
2016-01-17T18:38:08 < dongs> erasing it immediately locks up :(
2016-01-17T18:38:25 < jpa-> copy erase function to ram first, if it needs something from that sector?
2016-01-17T18:38:37 < dongs> well, only all the vectors and stuff?
2016-01-17T18:38:56 < jpa-> do you actually need interrupts just to erase a sector?
2016-01-17T18:39:02 < dongs> nope
2016-01-17T18:39:03 < mitrax> sorry i was afk, was trying DFU on one of my discovery board... which turns out not to be seen either although i connect BOOT0 explicitely to VDD
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2016-01-17T18:40:05 < mitrax> wtf
2016-01-17T18:40:15 < kakimir> guys
2016-01-17T18:40:22 < kakimir> can I do struct padding by hand?
2016-01-17T18:40:43 < jpa-> sure, uint8_t dummy;
2016-01-17T18:40:43 < kakimir> so I can pack together things that are good to be loaded at once
2016-01-17T18:40:43 < dongs> paddington
2016-01-17T18:40:51 < jpa-> wut
2016-01-17T18:41:12 < dongs> too good to be loaded
2016-01-17T18:41:32 < kakimir> if i have lets say 2 x bytes and word
2016-01-17T18:41:49 < dongs> mkay
2016-01-17T18:41:55 < dongs> gonna try teh ram thing tomororw
2016-01-17T18:41:57 < kakimir> that are all needed in order lets say in interrupt
2016-01-17T18:42:12 < dongs> ill just erase and ninja in nvic_reset and hope it works
2016-01-17T18:42:29 < dongs> how do I stop systick?
2016-01-17T18:42:36 < dongs> i think thats the only thing im using as far as interrupts
2016-01-17T18:42:53 < dongs> er, i mean, stop its interrupt
2016-01-17T18:43:10 < kakimir> without stopping tick itself?
2016-01-17T18:43:15 < zyp> just stop it entirely
2016-01-17T18:43:33 < zyp> first 16 vectors don't have enable slots, they are always enabled
2016-01-17T18:43:35 < dongs> wait no im not even using sysdick, im doing delays with cycle counter
2016-01-17T18:43:45 < dongs> so it should just work as long as I erase from ram
2016-01-17T18:44:56 < zyp> or as long as erase and reset function is not located in first sector
2016-01-17T18:44:59 < zyp> latter worked for me
2016-01-17T18:45:08 < dongs> riight
2016-01-17T18:45:09 < dongs> but...
2016-01-17T18:45:16 < dongs> how do i make sure that :(
2016-01-17T18:46:02 < dongs> nvm ill stick reset part in ram too
2016-01-17T18:46:19 < zyp> laziest trick I can think of is to specify that .text segment must be sector aligned
2016-01-17T18:46:37 < dongs> ya heh nah thats gcc-fuckery
2016-01-17T18:46:44 < zyp> vector table will be at start of first sector, and then .text will have to start at second sector or later
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2016-01-17T18:47:30 < dongs> ah
2016-01-17T18:47:34 < dongs> thats clever but yeah no
2016-01-17T18:48:33 < zyp> or you could add a new segment for erase and reset function and just specify that it goes last
2016-01-17T18:49:27 < dongs> i just put all of erase shit in ram
2016-01-17T18:49:33 < dongs> and copied nvic_systemreset shit into the same function
2016-01-17T18:49:35 < dongs> fuckit, should wokr :)
2016-01-17T18:49:52 < zyp> sounds like more work :p
2016-01-17T18:50:34 < dongs> not if I dont use gcc
2016-01-17T18:50:55 < dongs> yes
2016-01-17T18:50:56 < dongs> worked
2016-01-17T18:50:57 < dongs> great
2016-01-17T18:51:00 < dongs> problem solved
2016-01-17T18:51:23 < dongs> i stole fur elise from some tarduino.lib
2016-01-17T18:51:31 < dongs> and i have the shit play that if it cant find firmware file to update
2016-01-17T18:51:44 < dongs> with a sadface on lcd
2016-01-17T18:56:05 < dongs> https://gist.github.com/spara/1832855
2016-01-17T18:58:24 < Laurenceb_> I read that as sparta
2016-01-17T18:58:31 < dongs> i bet you did
2016-01-17T18:58:35 < dongs> you probably enjoy hunger games, t oo
2016-01-17T18:58:52 < Laurenceb_> lol hunger games
2016-01-17T18:59:00 < Laurenceb_> lamest film series since borne
2016-01-17T18:59:07 < dongs> at least we agree on something
2016-01-17T19:04:12 < mitrax> in dfu mode shouldn't VBUS be inactive on the mcu?
2016-01-17T19:05:54 < Laurenceb_> erm not if you are using usb surely??
2016-01-17T19:07:15 < dongs> have you chcked your AN2606 to make sure the pins it checks BEFORE entering USB bootloader are not high etc?
2016-01-17T19:07:25 < dongs> like I think it checks uart first, then other shit
2016-01-17T19:07:29 < dongs> if uart was high it'll try bootlaoding from that
2016-01-17T19:07:35 < Laurenceb_> that rings a bell
2016-01-17T19:07:36 < dongs> and not evne bother usb
2016-01-17T19:09:25 < mitrax> well i'm doing a test with a STM32F429disco board, i've just set BOOT0 to VDD and BOOT1 to GND, then powered the board, there's a LED on the board near the micro USB B, that lights up when there's a voltage on VBUS
2016-01-17T19:09:36 < fenugrec> it says "load 1FFF000 from the nearest literal pool" IIRC
2016-01-17T19:09:55 < mitrax> which confuses me because i assumed that with DFU VBUS would be provided by the host i connect the board to
2016-01-17T19:10:06 < fenugrec> saves you from managing the pools yourself (which is a huge pain)
2016-01-17T19:10:06 < fenugrec> "pool have aids", etc.
2016-01-17T19:14:47 < Laurenceb_> pools closed
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2016-01-17T19:17:24 < dongs> zyp, weird
2016-01-17T19:17:33 < dongs> i did write scb->vtor in asm rigjt before jumping and it works now.
2016-01-17T19:17:43 < dongs> it didnt work from .C
2016-01-17T19:17:45 < dongs> o wellz
2016-01-17T19:18:06 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/HhHQU383.html
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2016-01-17T19:22:03 < Steffanx> How? ARMCC doesn't do it correctly?!
2016-01-17T19:22:14 < dongs> what do you mean
2016-01-17T19:23:21 < Steffanx> Im just surprised that yo usaid "it didnt work from .c"
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2016-01-17T19:45:18 < mitrax> here's the stm32f429 discovery schematics for USB http://download.unfiltered.net/otg.png, when i set BOOT0 to 1 and BOOT1 to 0 which supposedly make the mcu enter dfu mode on startup, there's 3.3V on the VBUS line (OTG_FS_PSO / PC4 is hi-Z and the STMPS2141 switch is disabled) is that to be expected?
2016-01-17T19:49:37 < mitrax> (nothing is connected to the usb plug)
2016-01-17T19:51:30 < jpa-> i would assume it to enable pulldown, but who knows
2016-01-17T19:54:36 < mitrax> pulldown on which pin?
2016-01-17T19:55:07 < jpa-> on vbus, you know, so that it would be low when usb is not connected.. assuming it is actually trying to even use that pin for anything
2016-01-17T19:55:13 < jpa-> the appnote on the bootloader might tell more
2016-01-17T20:02:13 < mitrax> ah
2016-01-17T20:02:16 < mitrax> "As prerequisite to enter ther DFU bootloader, USART1_RX (PA10), USART3_RX (PB11), USART3_RX (PC11) and CAN2_RX (PB05) must keep their levels after reset. However PB5 is connected to SDCKE1 and changes level about 4 ms after reset and so probably is the reason that prevents DFU bootloader entry. "
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2016-01-17T20:03:42 < mitrax> shit
2016-01-17T20:04:31 < jpa-> yeah, it has annoying gotchas like that
2016-01-17T20:13:50 < kakimir> guys
2016-01-17T20:14:24 < kakimir> 8bit unsigned integer... type that is not nativelly suported by arm core
2016-01-17T20:15:14 < kakimir> what happens if it overflows?
2016-01-17T20:15:52 < kakimir> and how much compiler has added intervention to 8bit type?
2016-01-17T20:16:38 < kakimir> should I avoid it when size is not a concern?
2016-01-17T20:16:44 < Laurenceb_> undefined question is undefined
2016-01-17T20:16:48 < Laurenceb_> check the asm
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2016-01-17T20:17:07 < Laurenceb_> cortex memory is byte aligned, so you can save some space through use of 8bit
2016-01-17T20:18:04 < kakimir> byte aligned..
2016-01-17T20:18:05 < kakimir> hmm
2016-01-17T20:20:29 < kakimir> when i need a byte but I need whole long in next move
2016-01-17T20:20:41 < kakimir> can I prefetch a whole thing once
2016-01-17T20:21:05 < fenugrec> kakimir are you writing C or asm ?
2016-01-17T20:21:08 < kakimir> C
2016-01-17T20:21:23 < fenugrec> why are you second-guessing the compiler, unless you're hand optimizing something
2016-01-17T20:21:23 < kakimir> maybe throw some asm there?
2016-01-17T20:21:36 < fenugrec> do you *need* to optimize it that much
2016-01-17T20:21:57 < kakimir> totally if compiler doesn't do it but I think it will
2016-01-17T20:22:03 < celeron55> just look at the compiler output
2016-01-17T20:22:22 < kakimir> dont understand it too much
2016-01-17T20:22:31 < Steffanx> Are you Ivan?
2016-01-17T20:22:33 < fenugrec> kakimir then don't bother.
2016-01-17T20:23:02 < fenugrec> let the compiler do its thing; only optimize if you can prove it's going to make a difference. Otherwise you're wasting your time
2016-01-17T20:25:16 < kakimir> so if memmory is byte aligned I dont even need to align structs to mach long frames
2016-01-17T20:25:34 < kakimir> that long chunk can begin at any byte
2016-01-17T20:26:04 < kakimir> what I can optimize and what compiler wont optimize by itself is there structs
2016-01-17T20:26:11 < kakimir> these
2016-01-17T20:31:13 < Laurenceb_> you might need to use the pragma pack stuff in gcc
2016-01-17T20:31:58 < kakimir> packed you mean?
2016-01-17T20:32:00 < kakimir> true
2016-01-17T20:32:14 < kakimir> moving byte or moving word costs the exactly same
2016-01-17T20:35:15 < kakimir> hmm there is instructions like wait for interrupt
2016-01-17T20:41:30 < Laurenceb_> spacex launch coming up
2016-01-17T20:41:37 < kakimir> I think that would be very useful for accurate timing
2016-01-17T20:44:17 < Steffanx> link to stream Laurenceb_?
2016-01-17T20:44:39 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkz_lclGXNg
2016-01-17T20:45:26 < kakimir> do I do anything with signal event or wait for event?
2016-01-17T20:45:39 < kakimir> in my application code
2016-01-17T20:45:47 < Steffanx> oh its already up
2016-01-17T20:47:28 < Steffanx> i think it mainly used to get into low power mode etc. kakimir. So the question is, do you need that?
2016-01-17T20:48:16 < kakimir> in this application no way
2016-01-17T20:48:29 < kakimir> I flat out the chip from t-0
2016-01-17T20:48:47 < kakimir> and leave it there
2016-01-17T20:49:50 < kakimir> you need some event signal to be send to enter low power mode?
2016-01-17T20:51:32 < Steffanx> No you configure the power mode and do wfi/wfe and wait for something to happen.
2016-01-17T20:54:24 < kakimir> okay
2016-01-17T20:54:30 < kakimir> and when it wakes up
2016-01-17T20:54:31 < mitrax> gah... no wonder it's not working, dfu uses PA11/PA12 for usb on STM32F429 ... (which are LCD pins as well), and not the alternate pins i'm using for usb, crap
2016-01-17T20:54:41 < kakimir> it has some event to it
2016-01-17T20:54:47 < kakimir> and boom it's going again
2016-01-17T21:00:38 < kakimir> have you ever needed synchronization barrier?
2016-01-17T21:00:55 < kakimir> in one core system
2016-01-17T21:02:10 < mitrax> technically if you use a RTOS and multiple threads you'd need critical sections and such for parts of the code accessed by those threads
2016-01-17T21:03:01 < PaulFertser> Or other synchronisation facilities mutexes, semaphores etc.
2016-01-17T21:04:00 < kakimir> shared resources to say
2016-01-17T21:04:22 < kakimir> and that is why you wont write your own rtos
2016-01-17T21:04:35 < Steffanx> Sure you want to. To learn.
2016-01-17T21:04:54 < mitrax> i take it that since i'm using different USB pins i'm stuck with implementing my own DFU bootloader within the firmware if i need to upgrade through usb?
2016-01-17T21:05:17 < kakimir> I want to optimize learning.. not maximize it
2016-01-17T21:07:25 < PaulFertser> mitrax: looks like it. But you can borrow that from libopencm3 if your licence is compatible.
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2016-01-17T21:16:32 < mitrax> PaulFertser: i'll have a look, thanks
2016-01-17T21:17:26 < PaulFertser> mitrax: please feel free to take a look at my humble project, I've did just that recently: https://github.com/paulfertser/stm32-tx-hid
2016-01-17T21:17:33 < PaulFertser> (but for stm32f1)
2016-01-17T21:18:14 < PaulFertser> mitrax: (the original libopencm3 code is LGPL3+)
2016-01-17T21:18:44 < kakimir> so one case of barrier is after dma transfer
2016-01-17T21:20:11 < kakimir> or is it?
2016-01-17T21:21:42 < kakimir> self modifying code.. true pro stuff
2016-01-17T21:23:58 < mitrax> PaulFertser: thanks :)
2016-01-17T21:24:14 < kakimir> when you have code that modifies and generates strings of binary.. I think you are pro
2016-01-17T21:24:53 < XTL> So you're a pro when you do things that a professional would avoid like the plague
2016-01-17T21:26:00 < kakimir> couldn't you like.. gain performance when replacing switches with shortcuts
2016-01-17T21:26:25 < kakimir> and stuff like that
2016-01-17T21:26:44 < kakimir> there is some rather constant stuff you shortcut on fly
2016-01-17T21:27:15 < kakimir> is there api for handling arm binary?
2016-01-17T21:29:08 < kakimir> http://i.imgur.com/kSHOkzZ.jpg
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2016-01-17T21:29:45 < Steffanx> Are you born with a semi-random question generator kakimir?
2016-01-17T21:30:01 < fenugrec> hahaha
2016-01-17T21:30:10 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-17T21:30:44 < BrainDamage> beakmir*
2016-01-17T21:30:48 < Getty> R2com: radioactive? can you suggest Empyrion?
2016-01-17T21:31:03 < Steffanx> Did kakimir and beaky ever meet?
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2016-01-17T21:31:32 < Steffanx> Where is beaky nowadays? He's online, but im not sure where.
2016-01-17T21:33:52 < kakimir> did you like.. evict him?
2016-01-17T21:35:38 < Steffanx> No.
2016-01-17T21:36:45 < kakimir> how did he left?
2016-01-17T21:38:34 < Steffanx>  /part .. who knows.
2016-01-17T21:39:04 < kakimir> is he in logs?
2016-01-17T21:39:14 < Steffanx>  /whois beaky
2016-01-17T21:39:36 < kakimir> I think I would load myself some mentality by reading those
2016-01-17T21:40:37 < Steffanx> No he sounds like your perfect friend :P
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2016-01-17T21:42:04 < emeb> Well, last few days have been a learning experience. Doing an STM32F7 project for a client who can't stand plain GCC / Make build process and wanted an IDE.
2016-01-17T21:42:24 < emeb> Decided to try Atollic Truestudio since it's free and not code limited.
2016-01-17T21:42:38 < emeb> They claim support for STM32F7 family, but...
2016-01-17T21:43:08 < kakimir> what year and month log I should be looking for?
2016-01-17T21:43:24 < emeb> * their compiler doesn't support Cortex M7 - treats the F7 as a Cortex M4
2016-01-17T21:43:45 < Laurenceb_> what the heck
2016-01-17T21:43:47 < emeb> * the startup code that the load in when creating a project is broken
2016-01-17T21:43:53 < Laurenceb_> emdrive forum just went private
2016-01-17T21:44:05 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39004.1800
2016-01-17T21:44:07 < emeb> * the linker script that they load in when creating a project is broken
2016-01-17T21:44:12 < kakimir> found him
2016-01-17T21:45:24 < kakimir> 2014-02-04T19:46:31 < beaky> i love st
2016-01-17T21:45:51 < kakimir> I think no futher evidence is required
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2016-01-17T21:50:04 < kakimir> he is from arab emirates
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2016-01-17T21:54:20 < kakimir> what I ask first:
2016-01-17T21:54:23 < kakimir> 2014-08-18T01:40:16 < kakeman> what happens if I ask nxp lpc questions here?
2016-01-17T21:54:34 < kakimir> traitor from begining
2016-01-17T21:58:01 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/N4zupbA.jpg
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2016-01-17T21:58:39 < kakimir> 2014-08-18T04:02:31 < kakeman> have you guys made board that uses mcu to generate itself operating voltage with buck converter circuit?
2016-01-17T21:58:42 < kakimir> 2014-08-18T04:02:42 < dongs> whoa, beaky 3.0
2016-01-17T21:59:04 < kakimir> I still want to do that some day
2016-01-17T22:01:30 < kakimir> have some 2.5volt linear regulator to boot it up
2016-01-17T22:01:41 < kakimir> then just do it
2016-01-17T22:02:52 < kakimir> there is problem if program fails and leaves switches on
2016-01-17T22:03:14 < jadew> you obviously want them to be off if it fails
2016-01-17T22:03:48 < jadew> so aggressive watchdog and design around safety
2016-01-17T22:03:56 < kakimir> hmm
2016-01-17T22:04:30 < kakimir> I think I need some hardware based solution
2016-01-17T22:04:34 < jadew> I suppose something like this could have its uses
2016-01-17T22:05:41 < kakimir> modulated output that is somehow converted to fet driving
2016-01-17T22:06:05 < kakimir> crash -> modulation ends -> switch goes off
2016-01-17T22:06:09 < jadew> ac coupled to ground
2016-01-17T22:06:30 < jadew> good idea
2016-01-17T22:06:50 < gordonjcp> haha, series pass switching regulator latching up?
2016-01-17T22:07:04 < gordonjcp> shades of the Sony GCS problem right there
2016-01-17T22:07:22 < jadew> gordonjcp, what problem?
2016-01-17T22:08:09 < gordonjcp> jadew: Sony TVs in the 1980s had the "Gate Controlled Switch" as part of their power supply
2016-01-17T22:08:19 < gordonjcp> it was a bit like an SCR or triac
2016-01-17T22:08:37 < gordonjcp> anyway it would fail, and drive the series pass transistor for the PSU on
2016-01-17T22:08:46 < gordonjcp> normally that ran at about 30% duty cycle
2016-01-17T22:08:53 < kakimir> 100% then?
2016-01-17T22:08:57 < jadew> heh
2016-01-17T22:08:57 < gordonjcp> yup
2016-01-17T22:09:14 < kakimir> for 3v3 level I could use some diode and ptc fuse
2016-01-17T22:09:46 < jadew> the thing is that if you end up using too many extra components, it's probably easier to just use a dedicated IC
2016-01-17T22:09:47 < gordonjcp> so rectified mains, all 340V worth, got applied to the downstream circuit which expects about 110V
2016-01-17T22:09:54 < gordonjcp> "there was a bang and it went off", they'd say
2016-01-17T22:09:59 < jadew> I guess it depends if you're shooting for price or space reduction
2016-01-17T22:10:00 < gordonjcp> "it's probably just a fuse"
2016-01-17T22:10:08 < gordonjcp> "it's not going to be too expensive to fix, is it?"
2016-01-17T22:10:11 < kakimir> but if I create some operating voltage like 10volt rail that has some amperage to it
2016-01-17T22:10:16 < kakimir> cant have that
2016-01-17T22:10:24 < jadew> gordonjcp, heh
2016-01-17T22:10:54 < kakimir> maybe some diode stuff to knock out gate with another transistor if voltage level goes crazy
2016-01-17T22:11:07 < kakimir> wait
2016-01-17T22:11:12 < kakimir> shunt regulator
2016-01-17T22:11:49 < gordonjcp> jadew: see if you can guess how bad the damage would be
2016-01-17T22:12:05 < gordonjcp> jadew: I'll give you a hint, you'd generally tip about a cupful of black sand out the bottom of the set
2016-01-17T22:12:10 < kakimir> that piece of crap sits there like it was ment to and doesn't cost anything
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2016-01-17T22:12:38 < kakimir> have some resistance to gate pin so it doesn't latch-up
2016-01-17T22:12:41 < jadew> gordonjcp, did Sony recall them?
2016-01-17T22:12:48 < jadew> sounds like a fire hazard too
2016-01-17T22:13:06 < kakimir> sony propably suet their all customers
2016-01-17T22:13:09 < kakimir> sued
2016-01-17T22:13:21 < kakimir> for being bad customers
2016-01-17T22:14:07 < jadew> do you guys have any suggestions regarding a powerful CPU that's not using a lot of energy?
2016-01-17T22:14:17 < jadew> my PC eats 270W in idle
2016-01-17T22:14:24 < kakimir> you fool
2016-01-17T22:14:26 < jadew> I'm trying to reduce that a bit
2016-01-17T22:14:30 < kakimir> skylake
2016-01-17T22:14:32 < Steffanx> What cpu is that?
2016-01-17T22:14:35 < kakimir> 4W idle
2016-01-17T22:14:37 < Steffanx> also using a big arse gpu?
2016-01-17T22:14:44 < kakimir> pentium 4 Steffanx
2016-01-17T22:14:49 < kakimir> what else?
2016-01-17T22:14:50 < jadew> Steffanx, Phenom 1100T
2016-01-17T22:14:56 < jadew> 2 nvidia GPUs
2016-01-17T22:15:00 < jadew> with big heatsinks
2016-01-17T22:15:07 < jadew> so I guess they eat some power too
2016-01-17T22:15:09 < kakimir> you can heat your house in winter?
2016-01-17T22:15:18 < jadew> kakimir, just my room
2016-01-17T22:15:28 < jadew> 5 hdds
2016-01-17T22:15:31 < kakimir> buy some insulation materials for your house
2016-01-17T22:15:32 < jadew> and 3 monitors
2016-01-17T22:15:39 < kakimir> so its 1kw total?
2016-01-17T22:15:48 < jadew> no, 270W total
2016-01-17T22:16:05 < kakimir> skylake is 4w idle
2016-01-17T22:16:16 < jadew> 220 the PC + a monitor and I assumed 25W for the other two monitors cuz that's how much the one hooked to the UPS seems to consume
2016-01-17T22:16:30 < jadew> kakimir, I'll check it out
2016-01-17T22:16:35 < jadew> I kinda need a lot of CPU power tho
2016-01-17T22:16:43 < jadew> I hate waiting for stuff to compile
2016-01-17T22:17:19 < kakimir> skylake
2016-01-17T22:17:25 < jadew> checking
2016-01-17T22:17:48 < kakimir> nowdays you dont need the high end stove model
2016-01-17T22:17:58 < kakimir> medium range does all
2016-01-17T22:18:01 < jadew> that's what I was thinking
2016-01-17T22:18:29 < jadew> I decdied to make some improvements because our electricity bill is ~$200/mo in the winter
2016-01-17T22:18:40 < jadew> and about ~$100 during the summer
2016-01-17T22:18:47 < jadew> and it's only an appartment
2016-01-17T22:18:58 < jadew> *apartment
2016-01-17T22:19:02 < jadew> the fridge will go next
2016-01-17T22:19:18 < jadew> it's almost as old as I am
2016-01-17T22:19:19 < kakimir> new fridges are insane
2016-01-17T22:19:25 < kakimir> consuming like nothing
2016-01-17T22:19:33 < jadew> so I've heard
2016-01-17T22:20:05 < kakimir> propably the lunix it runs takes more power than refrigeration
2016-01-17T22:20:34 < kakimir> all those social media applications it runs by default
2016-01-17T22:21:17 < kakimir> kikelake prices are up for like 10-20% what those were after launch
2016-01-17T22:21:20 < kakimir> I think
2016-01-17T22:21:23 < kakimir> at least here
2016-01-17T22:21:48 < gordonjcp> jadew: nope
2016-01-17T22:22:02 < gordonjcp> jadew: the problem started showing up when they were getting about 10-15 years old
2016-01-17T22:22:26 < kakimir> jadew: i5 6600k boxed?
2016-01-17T22:22:39 < kakimir> remember you need seperate cooler nowdays
2016-01-17T22:26:11 < kakimir> if you dont feel 6600k is enough remember it has better single thread performance than 6700k
2016-01-17T22:27:04 < kakimir> and if you go mad level cpu you rather buy skylake xeon
2016-01-17T22:27:34 < jadew> kakimir, yeah, but that's probably going to cost a lot more than you save, no?
2016-01-17T22:27:42 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-17T22:27:54 < kakimir> those are 16 core monsters
2016-01-17T22:27:59 < kakimir> or something like that
2016-01-17T22:28:11 < jadew> I wouldn't mind one
2016-01-17T22:28:44 < jadew> worst thing that can happen is for your PC freezing when you're watching porn
2016-01-17T22:29:05 < jadew> if someone walks in, the only thing you can do is reset
2016-01-17T22:29:20 < jadew> I guess a 16 cores machine wouldn't have that issue :P
2016-01-17T22:29:29 < kakimir> what does it has to do with anything
2016-01-17T22:29:35 < jadew> power
2016-01-17T22:29:36 < kakimir> and how often that happens?
2016-01-17T22:29:53 < jadew> quite often really...
2016-01-17T22:29:57 < kakimir> http://ark.intel.com/products/84685/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E7-8890-v3-45M-Cache-2_50-GHz
2016-01-17T22:30:03 < kakimir> you dirty jadew
2016-01-17T22:30:08 < kakimir> look at those specs
2016-01-17T22:30:17 < kakimir> 45M cache
2016-01-17T22:30:24 < kakimir> 18cores
2016-01-17T22:30:33 < jadew> $7k?
2016-01-17T22:30:52 < jadew> that's insane
2016-01-17T22:31:04 < kakimir> when you need the most
2016-01-17T22:31:16 < kakimir> that nothing else cant handle
2016-01-17T22:31:30 < Laurenceb_> most expensive processor from intel?
2016-01-17T22:32:00 < jadew> so what's the deal with skylake, they're built for low power?
2016-01-17T22:32:22 < kakimir> smarter stuff than before
2016-01-17T22:32:41 < kakimir> low power
2016-01-17T22:32:50 < kakimir> really low
2016-01-17T22:34:25 < Laurenceb_> wonder if its better than IBM or Oracle
2016-01-17T22:35:31 < jadew> Laurenceb_, what do you mean? we're talking about the Intel CPUs
2016-01-17T22:35:54 < Laurenceb_> just wondered about basic performance
2016-01-17T22:36:40 < ReadError> oracle makes cpus?
2016-01-17T22:38:16 < kakimir> IBM makes CPus?
2016-01-17T22:38:34 < kakimir> Laurenceb_ is stoned
2016-01-17T22:40:06 < PaulFertser> kakimir: ever heard of PowerPC?
2016-01-17T22:40:14 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-17T22:40:30 < jadew> kakimir, this test says skylake CPUs consume about the same with the other ones: http://techreport.com/review/28751/intel-core-i7-6700k-skylake-processor-reviewed/5
2016-01-17T22:40:50 < jadew> there's nothing like a 4W figure in there
2016-01-17T22:41:16 < kakimir> these are system values
2016-01-17T22:41:18 < kakimir> not core
2016-01-17T22:41:43 < jadew> ah
2016-01-17T22:42:32 < kakimir> *cpu
2016-01-17T22:43:28 < kakimir> PaulFertser: okay.. but are those chips practically available?
2016-01-17T22:44:15 < PaulFertser> kakimir: xilinx embeds ppc cores in their powerful FPGAs
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2016-01-17T22:45:17 < PaulFertser> kakimir: or buy yourself a PS3
2016-01-17T22:45:24 < zyp> kakimir, webstores here list it, but they're all nonstock at the moment
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2016-01-17T22:46:02 < kakimir> zyp: what exact chip?
2016-01-17T22:46:15 < zyp> 8890
2016-01-17T22:46:28 < zyp> http://www.nextron.no/main.php3?PI=info&PNO=35119
2016-01-17T22:46:34 < zyp> wasn't that what you were talking about?
2016-01-17T22:46:43 < kakimir> remember when macs were power-architecture?
2016-01-17T22:47:20 < PaulFertser> Some of those are still in use.
2016-01-17T22:47:40 < kakimir> I was very jelly of ibook G4 one junkie had
2016-01-17T22:47:47 < kakimir> maybe has and uses still
2016-01-17T22:48:40 < zyp> one of my high school friends had one of those
2016-01-17T22:49:12 < zyp> then one day at school he were sitting with his feet on the table with it on his lap, and tipped the chair
2016-01-17T22:49:37 < zyp> broke the lcd
2016-01-17T22:49:57 < bvernoux> PaulFertser, even if PPC seems obsolete check NXP (freescale) with their P2020 or more they are amazing ;)
2016-01-17T22:50:33 < bvernoux> PaulFertser, even if it more for ultra fast router with multiple 10Gigabit Ethernet ports ... ;)
2016-01-17T22:51:04 < Laurenceb_> meanwhile on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1plkyo/operant_conditioning_how_to_train_your_woman/
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2016-01-17T22:53:17 < zyp> bvernoux, this shit: http://www.nxp.com/products/microcontrollers-and-processors/power-architecture-processors/qoriq-power-architecture-processors/qoriq-p2020-and-p2010-dual-and-single-core-communications-processors:P2020 ?
2016-01-17T22:53:27 < kakimir> http://www.iflscience.org/japan-engineers-design-robotic-bear-to-aid-in-assisted-suicide/ meanwhile in dong lands
2016-01-17T22:53:42 < PaulFertser> bvernoux: impressive, indeed
2016-01-17T22:53:45 < kakimir> suffication robot
2016-01-17T22:53:59 < bvernoux> zyp, p2020 is low end ;)
2016-01-17T22:54:48 < zyp> well, it must be, because as far as I can see it doesn't have enough throughput to do anything with 10G
2016-01-17T22:58:35 < bvernoux> zyp, this one is amazing http://www.nxp.com/products/microcontrollers-and-processors/power-architecture-processors/qoriq-power-architecture-processors/qoriq-t4240-t4160-t4080-multicore-communications-processors:T4240
2016-01-17T22:58:40 < bvernoux> a beast ;)
2016-01-17T22:59:03 < bvernoux> 4x10GbitEth + 12x1GbitEth ...
2016-01-17T23:02:36 < zyp> idk, doesn't look too impressive compared to the tilera shit mikrotik are using in their routers
2016-01-17T23:02:43 < zyp> http://www.tilera.com/products/?ezchip=585&spage=618 <- this shit
2016-01-17T23:04:30 < bvernoux> yes tilera is not far from a FPGA ;)
2016-01-17T23:04:43 < zyp> tilera is very far from a FPGA
2016-01-17T23:09:00 < bvernoux> yes it is just how it is ;)
2016-01-17T23:09:21 < bvernoux> on very big FPGA it is same architecture
2016-01-17T23:10:26 < ambro718> PaulFertser: Hi. I'm reminding you of the space-in-filename issue, remember? (I tried to create a bug report but it didn't work at the time...)
2016-01-17T23:11:13 < kakimir> back to work
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2016-01-17T23:48:39 < Laurenceb_> lol nasaspaceflight has been made members only to deter trolls
2016-01-17T23:49:25 < BrainDamage> yay, no more shitposting
2016-01-17T23:49:55 < Sync> wasn't that like half a year ago?
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2016-01-17T23:51:45 < PaulFertser> ambro718: yes
2016-01-17T23:52:05 < PaulFertser> ambro718: please do it again tomorrow...
2016-01-17T23:52:09 < PaulFertser> ambro718: no kidding
2016-01-17T23:52:24 < ambro718> PaulFertser: okay, I guess I'll set up an alarm or something :)
2016-01-17T23:58:07 < Sync> cronjob
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2016-01-18T01:27:26 < upgrdman> lol  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7c3_1453056592#BpuZvAvpBXSX6XAl.16
2016-01-18T01:28:46 < kakimir> thats nothing
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2016-01-18T01:57:49 < Sync> and old
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2016-01-18T02:08:46 < kakimir> http://blogit.image.fi/imagelive/wp-content/uploads/sites/27/2015/08/keisteri.jpg finnish man in 90's
2016-01-18T02:08:59 < kakimir> dj actually
2016-01-18T02:09:21 < upgrdman> nice
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2016-01-18T02:21:42 < upgrdman> lol
2016-01-18T02:21:48 < upgrdman> SFDR of like 2dB?
2016-01-18T02:22:31 < upgrdman> R2COM, why dont you just make one. fpga with SERDES -> R2Rcom DAC -> anal buffer
2016-01-18T02:23:37 < upgrdman> dac spec's?
2016-01-18T02:23:51 < upgrdman> im fucking with an ADI cheap DAC at work. just 12bit 1MSps :(
2016-01-18T02:24:20 < upgrdman> err the DAC im using isnt even ADI, its just TI
2016-01-18T02:25:30 < upgrdman> R2COM, nice. so that's a 1ch dac from the look of it. why do many balls?
2016-01-18T02:25:55 < upgrdman> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?mpart=AD9739ABBCZ&v=505
2016-01-18T02:25:59 < upgrdman> 160 ball bga
2016-01-18T02:26:16 < upgrdman> wtf does it need so many balls for
2016-01-18T02:26:35 < upgrdman> even if parallel in... 14bits + vdd + gnd + a few others.
2016-01-18T02:26:44 < dongs> upgrdman: LPC sucks, confirmed
2016-01-18T02:27:03 < upgrdman> dongs, yes :) why do you mention it tho
2016-01-18T02:27:13 < upgrdman> R2COM, k
2016-01-18T02:27:39 < dongs> upgrdman: saw all the IAP trash in ROM for flashing
2016-01-18T02:27:44 < upgrdman> lol yes
2016-01-18T02:27:48 < upgrdman> such trash flash interface
2016-01-18T02:27:56 < dongs> and was looking for CMSIS/stdperiphlib-like stuff yesterday
2016-01-18T02:27:58 < dongs> found NOTHING
2016-01-18T02:28:07 < dongs> you'd think nxp.com/lpcwhatever would have all the software links to that shit
2016-01-18T02:28:21 < dongs> but the only findable shit is ancient garbage from codered or some lpcxpresso trash
2016-01-18T02:28:41 < upgrdman> R2COM, lots of arduinians who dont know any better
2016-01-18T02:30:56 < upgrdman> R2COM, lol. reading ADI datashit for your dac. "applications: ... military jammers ..."
2016-01-18T02:35:18 < upgrdman> R2COM: with a non-flat noise floor, where do you define the noise floor? for example:  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/delta_sigma_adc_simulation3.png ... -80dBFS or -70dBFS ?
2016-01-18T02:36:34 < upgrdman> for a 1GSps ADC, would a datasheet spec noise floor for 500MHz?
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2016-01-18T02:37:20 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-18T02:39:21 < upgrdman> no kidding
2016-01-18T02:39:37 < upgrdman> surprised any makes "lab grade" func gen's with <100MHz bw
2016-01-18T02:39:57 < dongs> cant you just do this with a STM32
2016-01-18T02:40:06 < dongs> for less than $379
2016-01-18T02:40:12 < upgrdman> R2COM, well like not a toy.
2016-01-18T02:40:25 < dongs> through SPI
2016-01-18T02:40:29 < upgrdman> superhetero
2016-01-18T02:42:28 < upgrdman> what plugin
2016-01-18T02:42:47 < dongs> it says ltspice dude
2016-01-18T02:42:52 < dongs> freetardspice
2016-01-18T02:42:56 < upgrdman> R2COM, the gui? i made it
2016-01-18T02:43:06 < dongs> wut
2016-01-18T02:43:27 < upgrdman> dongs, the graphs and shit? yes i wrote that shit in java. super pro.
2016-01-18T02:43:55 < upgrdman> java lib
2016-01-18T02:43:58 < upgrdman> jfreechart
2016-01-18T02:44:13 < upgrdman> R2COM, it a program i wrote that interprets ltspice output
2016-01-18T02:44:16 < upgrdman> no.
2016-01-18T02:44:22 < upgrdman> its a fucking java lib
2016-01-18T02:45:07 < upgrdman> because i already know how to in java
2016-01-18T02:45:18 < dongs> lol, another assburgering R2COM discussion
2016-01-18T02:45:25 < dongs> i'm glad he used java and not some filth like PYTHON
2016-01-18T02:45:31 < upgrdman> lol
2016-01-18T02:45:44 < upgrdman> older screenshit   http://www.farrellf.com/temp/delta_sigma_adc_simulation.png
2016-01-18T02:45:46 < dongs> at least java code is readable
2016-01-18T02:47:16 < dongs> upgrdman: that shit looks fucking zoomed in lol
2016-01-18T02:47:29 < dongs> is that what happens when you  right click compatbiility shit and let it run in lower resolution than X?
2016-01-18T02:47:47 < Lux> dongs: maybe that mbed hal stuff is some help https://github.com/mbedmicro/mbed/tree/master/libraries/mbed/targets/hal/TARGET_NXP/
2016-01-18T02:47:49 < Lux> def not great, but seems like most of the hardware interfaces are there
2016-01-18T02:47:51 < upgrdman> dongs, no. i wish it was that easy. you have to add a registry key and write a manifest
2016-01-18T02:48:32 < dongs> Lux: oh, i know where to find SHIT code. thats kinda the point, there isn't anything official from NXP like stdperiphlib.
2016-01-18T02:48:39 < upgrdman> R2COM, go jack off then go to bed
2016-01-18T02:49:17 < dongs> i mean, I go to http://www.nxp.com/products/microcontrollers-and-processors/arm-processors/lpc-arm-cortex-m-mcus/lpc-cortex-m3/lpc1700-series/512kb-flash-64kb-sram-ethernet-usb-lqfp100-package:LPC1768FBD100 and I expect to find downloads + shit
2016-01-18T02:49:27 < dongs> with stdpierphlib/cmsis/etc
2016-01-18T02:49:31 < Lux> ya, maybe they handled it like infineon, but used mbed instead of that dave aids
2016-01-18T02:49:53 < kakimir> doengs is about to traittor you all?
2016-01-18T02:50:28 < dongs> R2COM: you can see lines because the fucking app is running in some dumb upgrdman-is-a-blind-fuck mode where its simply zoomed in 2x without evne any smoothing
2016-01-18T02:50:40 < dongs> R2COM: take that screenshot, stick it in mspaint, press ctrl+w, and scale it 50% down
2016-01-18T02:50:43 < dongs> you wont see lines
2016-01-18T02:50:47 < upgrdman> R2COM, the one i use? its fine. the lines are an artifact of eclipse not being display-scaling friendly, so i run java at half resolution, hense aliasing
2016-01-18T02:50:55 < kakimir> mbed has lpc support
2016-01-18T02:51:14 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgur.com/VAvlXIG.gifv
2016-01-18T02:51:32 < Laurenceb_> a little boy grabbing his cock
2016-01-18T02:52:17 < kakimir> cock jerks cutelly
2016-01-18T02:52:27 < dongs> the cock walks by a bit later.
2016-01-18T02:52:40 < dongs> about Laurenceb_: failed
2016-01-18T02:52:53 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/B0N7Va.jpg
2016-01-18T02:53:10 < upgrdman> hen = girl chicken, cock = boy chicken?
2016-01-18T02:53:17 < dongs> sure, didnt you knowe that
2016-01-18T02:53:24 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-01-18T02:53:27 < upgrdman> was like 80% sure
2016-01-18T02:53:37 < upgrdman> im not up on all my animal names. sorry.
2016-01-18T02:54:51 < dongs> time to reboot
2016-01-18T02:55:05 < kakimir> it was freudian slip of Laurenceb_
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2016-01-18T02:55:25 < kakimir> it was hen but Laurenceb_ was thinking something else
2016-01-18T03:03:44 < dongs> wow
2016-01-18T03:03:49 < dongs> acrobat update that didn't need a reboot
2016-01-18T03:03:51 < dongs> pro
2016-01-18T03:04:45 < kakimir> DC?
2016-01-18T03:04:49 < dongs> no
2016-01-18T03:04:51 < dongs> XI
2016-01-18T03:04:56 < dongs> fuck that flattened cloud garbage
2016-01-18T03:04:56 < kakimir> what does it mean DC
2016-01-18T03:05:04 < dongs> dickless cloud
2016-01-18T03:05:13 < kakimir> is it cloud shiet?
2016-01-18T03:05:16 < kakimir> what is it?
2016-01-18T03:05:17 < dongs> yes
2016-01-18T03:05:23 < dongs> 'document cloud'
2016-01-18T03:05:26 < dongs> wahtever the fuck that is
2016-01-18T03:05:27 < kakimir> does it spy you?
2016-01-18T03:05:33 < dongs> most likely
2016-01-18T03:05:35 < dongs> all the datasheets
2016-01-18T03:05:39 < dongs> NDA
2016-01-18T03:05:43 < kakimir> does it steal your dick pick?
2016-01-18T03:05:44 < dongs> stored at adobes servers
2016-01-18T03:05:45 < kakimir> pic*
2016-01-18T03:05:55 < dongs> only if you pdf them
2016-01-18T03:05:59 < dongs> which I admit I do sometimes
2016-01-18T03:07:24 < dongs> What is Acrobat DC?
2016-01-18T03:07:25 < dongs> Watch this overview of Acrobat DC and see how easily and efficiently you can create, edit, collect e-signatures and comments, send large files, and do so much more with your documents. (Watch, 3 min)
2016-01-18T03:07:56 < dongs> https://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/how-to/what-is-acrobat-dc.html
2016-01-18T03:08:21 < dongs> reliable/consistent manner haha
2016-01-18T03:08:26 < dongs> except lets change the UI  in every version
2016-01-18T03:10:51 < dongs> editing PDFs on IPAD EVERYWEHRE IS THE ONLY REASON TO OWN IPAD
2016-01-18T03:10:57 < dongs> OR NOT
2016-01-18T03:16:11 < kakimir> why I have DC
2016-01-18T03:16:37 < dongs> who knows
2016-01-18T03:16:41 < upgrdman> dc == dildo collector
2016-01-18T03:17:20 < dongs> dongularity
2016-01-18T03:17:40 < dongs> hm so i suppose I should go to my office sometime today and plug in 10gig switch
2016-01-18T03:18:20 < upgrdman> typically work from home?
2016-01-18T03:19:51 < kakimir> is your office your junkyard?
2016-01-18T03:21:12 < dongs> i think you meant IN your junkyard
2016-01-18T03:23:39 < dongs> haha
2016-01-18T03:23:44 < dongs> it snowed in tokyo for the first time today
2016-01-18T03:23:54 < dongs> japs are preparing to do live broadcast about wow snow
2016-01-18T03:24:06 < kakimir> you live in tokyo?
2016-01-18T03:25:03 < aep> anyone remembers the fix for the 'blue pill' stfm32f1 boards is?
2016-01-18T03:25:06 < aep> usb fix
2016-01-18T03:25:11 < dongs> aep: er wat
2016-01-18T03:25:19 < aep> some resistor is wrong. i dont remember which one
2016-01-18T03:25:29 < aep> on those thingies http://www.rogerclark.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/STM32Mini-300x300.jpg
2016-01-18T03:25:29 < kakimir> red pill
2016-01-18T03:25:35 < dongs> https://cdn.hackaday.io/images/1925191437063394286.png
2016-01-18T03:25:37 < dongs> you mean this shit?
2016-01-18T03:25:50 < aep> yah, but the red one works afaik
2016-01-18T03:25:59 < dongs> lol. fucking china
2016-01-18T03:26:44 < dongs> aep: trash it and then get http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=497-15981-ND
2016-01-18T03:27:27 < aep> no
2016-01-18T03:27:59 < dongs> upgrdman: fuck yes http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=eff_1453073672
2016-01-18T03:28:23 < dongs> upgrdman: NOT what you'd expect either
2016-01-18T03:29:58 < upgrdman> :/ :\ :/ :\
2016-01-18T03:31:36 < kakimir> turn away
2016-01-18T03:31:46 < kakimir> just turn away
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2016-01-18T03:33:42 < jadew> managed to drop my PC's power consumption by 35 W
2016-01-18T03:34:09 < kakimir> set throttling of cpu on?
2016-01-18T03:34:13 < jadew> yeah :D
2016-01-18T03:34:26 < kakimir> you cant be even serious
2016-01-18T03:35:01 < jadew> I'm about to buy a GTX 750 TI
2016-01-18T03:35:17 < kakimir> who disables cpu throttling
2016-01-18T03:35:20 < kakimir> and why
2016-01-18T03:35:28 < jadew> I had it set on performance
2016-01-18T03:36:06 < jadew> I enabled HDD spin off too and moves some of my programs to the system HDD to make sure they turn off
2016-01-18T03:36:07 < kakimir> okay
2016-01-18T03:36:15 < jadew> *moved
2016-01-18T03:36:40 < jadew> the 750 TI should replace my two video cards and I think that's going to drop the power consumption even further
2016-01-18T03:36:47 < upgrdman> jadew, whats new idle power consum?
2016-01-18T03:37:00 < jadew> 185 + ~50
2016-01-18T03:37:23 < jadew> 50 for two monitors that are not plugged in the UPS, so I'm only guessing
2016-01-18T03:37:59 < jadew> it would be sweet if I could get it to 100W
2016-01-18T03:38:39 < jadew> I don't think it's worth it to change the CPU tho, they're too expensive + MB and RAM
2016-01-18T03:38:43 < dongs> jadew: why why why
2016-01-18T03:38:49 < dongs> get K1200 instead
2016-01-18T03:39:33 < jadew> dongs, how much does that cost?
2016-01-18T03:40:02 < dongs> jadew: less than 750 i would imagine
2016-01-18T03:40:08 < dongs> no idea tho
2016-01-18T03:40:18 < jadew> 3 times more expensive
2016-01-18T03:42:16 < dongs> enjoy your two DVI sockets
2016-01-18T03:42:18 < dongs> and HDMI
2016-01-18T03:42:19 < dongs> and no 4K
2016-01-18T03:42:31 < dongs> and 300W minimum power consumption
2016-01-18T03:43:00 < jadew> dongs, apparently it's one of the most efficent nVIDIA chips
2016-01-18T03:43:00 < upgrdman> whats a nice small pc case
2016-01-18T03:43:21 < dongs> Thermal and Power Specs:
2016-01-18T03:43:21 < dongs> 95 CMaximum GPU Tempurature (in C)
2016-01-18T03:43:21 < dongs> 60 W
2016-01-18T03:43:54 < jadew> compared to my 116 W + 40 W for my current cards
2016-01-18T03:44:06 < jadew> but that's the in load rating
2016-01-18T03:44:10 < dongs> http://images.nvidia.com/content/quadro/product-literature/data-sheets/11306_DS_NV_Quadro_K1200_FEB15_NV_US_HR.pdf
2016-01-18T03:44:18 < dongs> Max Power Consumption 45 W
2016-01-18T03:44:50 < jadew> but again, 3 times more expensive
2016-01-18T03:44:59 < dongs> but again, modern technology
2016-01-18T03:45:01 < dongs> instead of 3 years old shit
2016-01-18T03:45:21 < kakimir> jadew: how much is 750?
2016-01-18T03:45:37 < jadew> kakimir, $140 or so
2016-01-18T03:45:39 < kakimir> because it's old stove compared to 950
2016-01-18T03:45:45 < kakimir> that is sub200
2016-01-18T03:46:13 < kakimir> and 950 is so cool it's fan wont start until you do something with it
2016-01-18T03:46:38 < jadew> about $80 more
2016-01-18T03:46:57 < dongs> are there any 950 cards with 3+ minidp and single-slot?
2016-01-18T03:46:59 < dongs> oh, RIGHT
2016-01-18T03:47:40 < jadew> dongs, I'm not trying to upgrade my system
2016-01-18T03:47:49 < jadew> I'm trying to save on electricity
2016-01-18T03:48:03 < dongs> holy fuck why im looking at all tehse 950 cards with DVI slots on them
2016-01-18T03:48:06 < dongs> what is this 1996
2016-01-18T03:48:12 < dongs> http://wccftech.com/zotac-gigabyte-geforce-gtx-950-custom-models-leaked-768-cuda-cores-confirmed/
2016-01-18T03:48:52 < kakimir> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-750-ti-review,3750-21.html oh it's decent powered
2016-01-18T03:49:22 < kakimir> buttcoins fool
2016-01-18T03:50:04 < kakimir> can you hear the bubble about to pop?
2016-01-18T03:50:48 < kakimir> jadew: I would get used unabused 750
2016-01-18T03:50:55 < kakimir> rather than new one
2016-01-18T03:51:14 < kakimir> because all pro gamerz throw their old gpus away
2016-01-18T03:51:26 < dongs> pro gaymers also overclock
2016-01-18T03:51:28 < dongs> like R2PRO
2016-01-18T03:51:30 < jadew> yeah
2016-01-18T03:51:33 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-18T03:51:38 < jadew> and I want warranty anyway
2016-01-18T03:51:39 < kakimir> thats why unabused
2016-01-18T03:51:46 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY2KgFyNj88
2016-01-18T03:51:48 < dongs> loool
2016-01-18T03:52:05 < kakimir> once bought something used by gamer like R2COM
2016-01-18T03:52:13 < kakimir> over abused gpu
2016-01-18T03:52:14 < dongs> so pro it hurts
2016-01-18T03:52:19 < jadew> "Stay at home mom, selling GTX 750 TI. Used only for browsing."
2016-01-18T03:52:48 < kakimir> "has kit heatsink to it to improve coolings"
2016-01-18T03:52:58 < kakimir> "not overclocked ever"
2016-01-18T03:54:06 < jadew> dongs, one of my current cards is dual slot anyway
2016-01-18T03:55:22 < kakimir> butt who pro buys 750?
2016-01-18T03:55:34 < kakimir> when there is the highend model
2016-01-18T03:55:41 < kakimir> some poor pro
2016-01-18T03:56:38 < kakimir> there is chances it has never been raped with overtuning
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2016-01-18T03:57:04 < kakimir> where as all highend models are
2016-01-18T03:57:17 < kakimir> *overclocking
2016-01-18T03:57:17 < jadew> I also decided to put my PC in sleep mode when I go to sleep
2016-01-18T03:57:27 < kakimir> ..
2016-01-18T03:57:34 < kakimir> jezz
2016-01-18T03:58:13 < jadew> I didn't want to miss on the IRC action...
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2016-01-18T04:01:35 < dongs> http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac147/themayanjedi/Titancomp_zps36386c03.jpg
2016-01-18T04:01:37 < dongs> haha
2016-01-18T04:02:49 < kakimir> what is happening
2016-01-18T04:03:24 < dongs> all those fucking DVI connectors in 2015
2016-01-18T04:03:26 < dongs> is whats happening
2016-01-18T04:03:43 < dongs> seriously is there even any monitor that still has DVI on it?
2016-01-18T04:03:50 < kakimir> mine has
2016-01-18T04:03:52 < jadew> mine does
2016-01-18T04:03:55 < dongs> made in last 3+ years
2016-01-18T04:03:56 < dongs> really?
2016-01-18T04:03:56 < jadew> and one has VGA
2016-01-18T04:03:59 < dongs> lol...
2016-01-18T04:04:00 < jadew> only
2016-01-18T04:04:02 < dongs> sorry to hear that
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2016-01-18T04:04:13 < jadew> they haven't faild yet
2016-01-18T04:04:17 < kakimir> mine are from arond 2011
2016-01-18T04:04:18 < jadew> so I had no reason to change them
2016-01-18T04:04:25 < kakimir> eizos
2016-01-18T04:04:40 < kakimir> one is really nice
2016-01-18T04:04:46 < kakimir> another is horrible
2016-01-18T04:05:00 < jadew> what monitors?
2016-01-18T04:05:32 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/pfx4jAw.png
2016-01-18T04:05:41 < dongs> thet number of DVI: No monitors clearly shows a trend
2016-01-18T04:06:09 < jadew> 1: 999+
2016-01-18T04:06:13 < jadew> not really
2016-01-18T04:06:54 < jadew> they're so many the computer can't even display their number
2016-01-18T04:10:32 < kakimir> jadew: http://www.eizo.com/products/flexscan/sx2262w/ better one
2016-01-18T04:10:46 < kakimir> other is shiet without colors
2016-01-18T04:11:34 < kakimir> basically grayscale office monitor
2016-01-18T04:11:36 < jadew> I heard good things about this brand, but never saw one
2016-01-18T04:11:58 < jadew> kakimir, well, colors are not cheap
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2016-01-18T04:12:34 < jadew> they need 3 or 4 dots per pixel instead of one
2016-01-18T04:12:48 < kakimir> by greyscale I meant
2016-01-18T04:12:53 < kakimir> there is colors
2016-01-18T04:13:02 < jadew> ah
2016-01-18T04:13:15 < kakimir> but you cant really see when it's side b side
2016-01-18T04:13:35 < jadew> http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-Phenom-II-X6-Black-1100T-vs-AMD-FX-8350
2016-01-18T04:13:36 < kakimir> like drinking cola after extra sweet cake
2016-01-18T04:13:43 < jadew> scroll a bit to where it says CPUBoss Review
2016-01-18T04:13:53 < jadew> see if you can figure which one is the winner
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2016-01-18T04:14:51 < dongs> lol amd
2016-01-18T04:15:03 < jadew> yeah :D
2016-01-18T04:15:56 < kakimir> it's still amd stove
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2016-01-18T04:16:22 < jadew> kakimir, it didn't outperform the intel one in any category
2016-01-18T04:16:36 < dongs> why would it
2016-01-18T04:16:43 < dongs> AMD has been dead in PC scene for years
2016-01-18T04:16:58 < dongs> the only people who buy thier shit are poor ass gaymers
2016-01-18T04:17:09 < dongs> who read some benchmarks where amd cheats just for benchmarks
2016-01-18T04:17:09 < jadew> they're a bit cheaper so there's still a market for it
2016-01-18T04:17:12 < kakimir> they really didn't get the thing about power consumption and that stuff
2016-01-18T04:17:47 < kakimir> and compensate with cheap high-end cpus
2016-01-18T04:17:49 < dongs> http://www.eizoglobal.com/products/atc/sq2814/index.html
2016-01-18T04:18:17 < kakimir> I have japanise keyboards, japanise displays
2016-01-18T04:18:43 < kakimir> I have been good boy.. dongs?
2016-01-18T04:19:47 < jadew> weeaboo
2016-01-18T04:20:07 < jadew> had to google the spelling :D
2016-01-18T04:20:28 < kakimir> I don't do anime
2016-01-18T04:20:41 < kakimir> dongs: how much you consume manga?
2016-01-18T04:21:00 < dongs> i dont
2016-01-18T04:21:07 < jadew> hentai?
2016-01-18T04:21:26 < jadew> tentacles?
2016-01-18T04:21:44 < kakimir> is there peer pressure to consume manga and hentai?
2016-01-18T04:21:51 < kakimir> and become.. like them
2016-01-18T04:22:03 < jadew> it probably is
2016-01-18T04:22:10 < jadew> especially while in school
2016-01-18T04:22:46 < jadew> if you don't, you have nothing to talk about, but I doubt it's peer pressure
2016-01-18T04:23:21 < jadew> when it's everywhere around you, it's only natural that you get into it
2016-01-18T04:28:39 < kakimir> that is true dr. jadew
2016-01-18T04:28:57 < kakimir> that is how you go into meat grinder
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2016-01-18T04:31:50 < jadew> I just orderd that card
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2016-01-18T04:37:51 < dongs> is your main desktop AMD?
2016-01-18T04:38:24 < jadew> mine? yeah
2016-01-18T04:38:30 < kakimir> I have not had amd since athlon single core 64bit
2016-01-18T04:38:41 < jadew> but I think I'm gonna go for the I7-6700K
2016-01-18T04:39:20 < dongs> is that the new kikelake
2016-01-18T04:39:26 < jadew> yeah
2016-01-18T04:39:43 < dongs> without fan
2016-01-18T04:39:45 < dongs> fuck that shit
2016-01-18T04:39:47 < dongs> boycott intel
2016-01-18T04:40:04 < dongs> haha no
2016-01-18T04:40:24 < upgrdman> do the xeons outperform the i7's?
2016-01-18T04:41:05 < dongs> 91W @ 1.1V or wahtever is like >80amps lol
2016-01-18T04:41:26 < dongs> thats a fucking lot
2016-01-18T04:41:29 < upgrdman> they should put a Deans connectors on the cpu /s
2016-01-18T04:41:39 < dongs> upgrdman: e3 xeons are higher binned i7's im almost sure
2016-01-18T04:41:49 < dongs> there's a few where the specs are identical to i7
2016-01-18T04:41:53 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-18T04:42:05 < dongs> e5/e7 is anotoher story tho
2016-01-18T04:42:11 < dongs> but they dont have kikelake e5/7 yet
2016-01-18T04:42:17 < dongs> yerah
2016-01-18T04:42:54 < dongs> maybe they just blow a couple different fuses for xeon stuff and call it done
2016-01-18T04:43:28 < kakimir> do they have different extensions?
2016-01-18T04:47:46 < kakimir> I have understood that server applications may use whole different set of extensions
2016-01-18T04:58:43 < dongs> 420GHz
2016-01-18T05:00:28 < kakimir> dongs: so was there some rival for irlml6401?
2016-01-18T05:01:04 < dongs> kakimir: that thing PeterM said loked good
2016-01-18T05:01:17 < dongs> <PeterM> i dont mind the ao3400/3407 for n and pfet, china has them super cheap
2016-01-18T05:01:48 < kakimir> when I dont order china?
2016-01-18T05:02:01 < kakimir> mouser throws me some infeon part
2016-01-18T05:02:02 < dongs> they're on digikey
2016-01-18T05:02:08 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/AO3400A/785-1000-1-ND/1855942
2016-01-18T05:02:59 < kakimir> are those real deal?
2016-01-18T05:03:02 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/AO3407A/785-1006-1-ND/1855948
2016-01-18T05:03:42 < dongs> what do you mean real deal
2016-01-18T05:03:48 < dongs> they're not counterfeit, sure cuz digikey
2016-01-18T05:04:10 < dongs> zyp, chinagirl was too stoned last weekend and didnt send my/your shit
2016-01-18T05:06:05 < kakimir> look at that gate voltage dongs
2016-01-18T05:07:16 < kakimir> butt
2016-01-18T05:07:22 < kakimir> if that RdsON
2016-01-18T05:07:27 < kakimir> is with that voltage
2016-01-18T05:07:36 < kakimir> then it's quite a killer
2016-01-18T05:08:42 < upgrdman> "@10v"
2016-01-18T05:09:40 < kakimir> that rdson is at 3v3
2016-01-18T05:09:41 < kakimir> in plot
2016-01-18T05:09:57 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-18T05:10:01 < jadew> just perfect for your buck converter
2016-01-18T05:12:32 < Getty> R2COM: i saw you have empyrion ;)
2016-01-18T05:13:28 < kakimir> dongs: DMP2035U-7 how about this
2016-01-18T05:15:04 < dongs> looks good
2016-01-18T05:18:13 < aandrew> unreal that SOT23 can continuously pass 5A
2016-01-18T05:18:56 < upgrdman> i have some to220's rated for like >150A
2016-01-18T05:19:09 < dongs> aandrew: it cant
2016-01-18T05:19:13 < dongs> dissipation is 820mW
2016-01-18T05:20:48 < aandrew> hm? 5.7A ^2 * 26.5mOhm is 860.98mW
2016-01-18T05:22:14 < jadew> why ^2?
2016-01-18T05:23:29 < kakimir> because physics
2016-01-18T05:23:30 < englishman> p=i^2 * r?
2016-01-18T05:23:57 < kakimir> P=RI^2
2016-01-18T05:24:10  * jadew goes to sleep
2016-01-18T05:24:14 < kakimir> so keep voltage high and current low
2016-01-18T05:25:49 < kakimir> always
2016-01-18T05:26:53 < kakimir> halve voltage and you need 4times the copper to have same loss
2016-01-18T05:28:56 < dongs> why don't tehy run CPUs at 220V DC then
2016-01-18T05:30:00 < upgrdman> lol  https://youtu.be/ea_xZ9GRqFw?t=21
2016-01-18T05:31:57 < jadew> wanted to ask if it's India, but cows are sacred there
2016-01-18T05:32:01 < jadew> so they have 0 value
2016-01-18T05:32:28 < jadew> now I want a burger
2016-01-18T05:32:38 < kakimir> because P = U^2 / R you fool dong
2016-01-18T05:32:50 < kakimir> cpu is not conductor
2016-01-18T05:32:56 < kakimir> but a load basically
2016-01-18T05:36:52 < dongs> hey i got some shit from mouser
2016-01-18T05:37:15 < dongs> STMICRO RFID TRANSPONDERS
2016-01-18T05:37:59 < jadew> kakimir, the reason I wasn't power conscious before is because I thought that everyone obsessing over power is a tree hugger, I didn't realize it can save a lot of money
2016-01-18T05:38:11 < dongs> jadew: lol
2016-01-18T05:38:35 < dongs> jadew: my office only costs $30/month in electricity
2016-01-18T05:38:55 < jadew> dongs, nice, hoping to get there too
2016-01-18T05:39:12 < dongs> total power consumption of the rack is like ~200W
2016-01-18T05:39:24 < dongs> when I get microtick there that should drop down a bit too cuz i'll turn off shitty 3COM power guzzler shitswitch
2016-01-18T05:40:22 < jadew> you use LED light bulbs too I guess?
2016-01-18T05:40:27 < dongs> yeah only
2016-01-18T05:40:40 < jadew> yeah... I ordered 20 today
2016-01-18T05:40:56 < jadew> we only have incandescent bulbs
2016-01-18T05:41:09 < jadew> and there's always at least two of them on
2016-01-18T05:43:03 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/fgesjsq.png
2016-01-18T05:50:27 < kakimir> isn't japan like the most expensive electricity?
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2016-01-18T05:52:36 < aandrew> dongs: I guess I don't get it?
2016-01-18T05:53:01 < dongs> aandrew: the pdf?
2016-01-18T05:53:07 < dongs> #gamergate, probly nothing interesting
2016-01-18T05:53:09 < aandrew> unless you're looking at a brianna possibly born john
2016-01-18T05:53:18 < dongs> its about batwu
2016-01-18T05:53:27 < dongs> some gamer trannie or something.
2016-01-18T05:56:03 < aandrew> hm no idea wtf batwu is
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2016-01-18T05:58:05 < dongs> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Brianna_Wu if you got lots of time
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2016-01-18T06:06:47 < aandrew> wow that was a waste of time
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2016-01-18T06:19:14 < dongs> lol
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2016-01-18T07:28:23 < Getty> R2COM: there are 2 LED lamps, dont know which one you mean ;)
2016-01-18T07:36:40 < dongs> R2PRO4U
2016-01-18T07:42:55 < zyp> dongs, okay
2016-01-18T07:42:58 < zyp> I've paid for it
2016-01-18T07:45:24 < dongs> cool
2016-01-18T07:46:31 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wICV6KnUO9U
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2016-01-18T08:46:35 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KmZLj8yEj8 LOL
2016-01-18T08:48:01 < aandrew> he's freaking out over the inductive charger?
2016-01-18T08:48:36 < dongs> no thats nfc
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2016-01-18T09:11:04 < aandrew> ah same shit, someone thinking conspiracy theory
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2016-01-18T11:47:12 < karlp> you guys didnt' show the blowing uppy thing yet? https://www.instagram.com/p/BAqirNbwEc0/
2016-01-18T11:49:38 < dongs> old
2016-01-18T11:49:41 < dongs> saw it this morning
2016-01-18T11:51:12 < PeterM> karlp they should just cover the rest of the barge in bubblewrap, she'll be right if it falls over then
2016-01-18T11:52:46 < Steffanx> Hmm is it meant to explode when it falls over?
2016-01-18T11:52:51 < dongs> yes
2016-01-18T11:53:19 < Steffanx> Because..
2016-01-18T11:53:29 < dongs> its the new rapid planned disassembly module
2016-01-18T11:53:33 < zyp> because that's what happens in ksp too, duh
2016-01-18T11:54:18 < Steffanx> Havent seen that movie, my bad.
2016-01-18T11:54:31 < Steffanx> *game
2016-01-18T11:54:31 < dongs> its some dumb space game
2016-01-18T11:54:38 < Steffanx> Played*
2016-01-18T11:58:09 < zyp> I bet dongs is danny2462
2016-01-18T11:59:10 < karlp> heh, nah, this is dongs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zszJRsGzo9A
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2016-01-18T12:00:48 < dongs> haha ive seen this
2016-01-18T12:01:37 < gordonjcp>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=779fMc8ubOo
2016-01-18T12:01:50 < dongs> thats new
2016-01-18T12:02:20 < zyp> saw that one yesterday
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2016-01-18T13:15:39 < dongs>  i wonder how the fuck this is driven http://www.ebay.com/itm/151897734437
2016-01-18T13:18:23 < jpa-> ask dongs, he does stuff with lcds
2016-01-18T13:28:29 < zyp> I'm of the impression that MIPI DSI is still more common than eDP, so I'm gonna go with that
2016-01-18T13:28:59 < dongs> sure but fastest DSI is 1gbps/lane, there's 4 lanes + 2 links = 8gbps - overhead, thats not enough for 4k@60p
2016-01-18T13:29:16 < dongs> toshiba seems to have something that talks about "DSI compression 2:1"
2016-01-18T13:30:17 < zyp> are you sure it's only 4 lanes?
2016-01-18T13:30:20 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-18T13:30:29 < dongs> one dsi link can only have 4 lanes+ clock
2016-01-18T13:30:35 < zyp> looks like a ton of pins in that connector
2016-01-18T13:30:38 < dongs> dual link is 8 lanes + 2 clk
2016-01-18T13:30:59 < zyp> could be eDP then
2016-01-18T13:31:05 < dongs> that would be evne less
2016-01-18T13:31:17 < zyp> even at 8 lanes?
2016-01-18T13:31:26 < dongs> dp is only 4 lanes
2016-01-18T13:32:05 < dongs> HBR3 * 4 lanes will do 26gbit after overhead
2016-01-18T13:33:32 < zyp> well, half+half 4k panels isn't unprecedented
2016-01-18T13:33:37 < dongs> yep
2016-01-18T13:33:42 < dongs> but in sellfone?
2016-01-18T13:33:50 < zyp> if you can do that at 27", why not at 5"?
2016-01-18T13:33:53 < dongs> hehe
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2016-01-18T14:02:53 < dongs> check your sores at the door
2016-01-18T14:06:54 < Sync> hm, I'd suspect split display
2016-01-18T14:08:02 < zyp> not before the user drops the phone
2016-01-18T14:08:07 < dongs> ror
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2016-01-18T14:16:20 < dongs> lewl
2016-01-18T14:16:27 < dongs> mikrodick ran out of ESD diodes on my switch
2016-01-18T14:16:34 < dongs> left 2 lanes have them, teh rest are empty
2016-01-18T14:16:49 < zyp> haha
2016-01-18T14:16:50 < dongs> maybe its just the POE ports they have w/ESD the rest are like 'who cares'
2016-01-18T14:16:55 < zyp> I haven't opened mine
2016-01-18T14:17:14 < dongs> the aluminum enclosure is quite impressive for hte price
2016-01-18T14:17:25 < dongs> its probably a one-size-fits all to a bunch of their boards but still
2016-01-18T14:17:39 < zyp> poe is fun, health menu on my switch says it's running on 16.1V
2016-01-18T14:17:58 < zyp> at first I was like "wtf, am I dropping 32V in the cable?"
2016-01-18T14:19:31 < dongs> and?
2016-01-18T14:19:33 < dongs> what was it
2016-01-18T14:19:41 < Laurenceb_> dongs spotted http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8626709&cid=51320941
2016-01-18T14:20:25 < zyp> dongs, documentation says it always does that when powered above a given voltage, so I assume there's a buck in line that's bypassed at lower voltages
2016-01-18T14:21:24 < dongs> ah
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2016-01-18T14:30:47 < dongs> some 0201 parts scattered on that board.
2016-01-18T14:30:52 < dongs> latvians sure have good pcba
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2016-01-18T16:26:10 < jpa-> https://webkit.org/   yeah, that's exactly the icon i would choose for "Breakpoint Options"
2016-01-18T16:31:24 < dongs> why
2016-01-18T16:31:30 < dongs> looks like a bug to me
2016-01-18T16:31:50 < dongs> should i be seeing something else?
2016-01-18T16:32:07 < jpa-> culture dependent.. interesting to see if the "symbol" is known anywhere else than finland :P
2016-01-18T16:38:06 < zyp> looks like a bug to me too
2016-01-18T16:38:44 < Sync> what does it mean?
2016-01-18T16:38:54 < fenugrec> hahaha what a dirty, twisted mind p-)
2016-01-18T16:39:27 < tkoskine> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kirkkovene (for more info, search images for the word)
2016-01-18T16:40:19 < jpa-> finnish debugging activists protesting with graffiti: http://static.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/20291846_503_uu.jpg
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2016-01-18T16:42:13 < zyp> I get the dick, but what's the other thing supposed to be?
2016-01-18T16:42:32 < jpa-> a bug
2016-01-18T16:42:43 < zyp> and that shit is missing the bug's head
2016-01-18T16:44:38 < fenugrec> lol
2016-01-18T16:48:07 < dongs> lewl
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2016-01-18T16:59:46 < Sync> the fuck
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2016-01-18T17:12:50 < mitrax> has anybody been playing with the beta ESP32 chip? (from Espressif, the same company that does the esp8266)
2016-01-18T17:13:36 < zyp> same arch?
2016-01-18T17:13:52 < dongs> yes same retarded non-arm thing
2016-01-18T17:13:55 < dongs> so yawn
2016-01-18T17:14:00 < zyp> exactly
2016-01-18T17:14:13 < zyp> I'm finding it hard to care about some bullshit arch
2016-01-18T17:14:27 < mitrax> i don't care what's on the chip, i want to use it as a wifi / bluetooth module
2016-01-18T17:14:38 < dongs> why not just use esp8266 orh waeger
2016-01-18T17:14:41 < dongs> its same fuckjing thing
2016-01-18T17:14:42 < dongs> if y ou dont CARE
2016-01-18T17:15:03 < mitrax> esp8266 only does wifi doesn't it?
2016-01-18T17:15:50 < mitrax> since i need both wifi and BT would have been nice to have everything on a single low cost module
2016-01-18T17:16:05 < mitrax> especially since i'm short on UART pins
2016-01-18T17:16:05 < dongs> oh, shrug
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2016-01-18T17:35:52 < kakimir> oh.. other cultures dont have custom to draw pictures of vulvas?
2016-01-18T17:35:55 < kakimir> just penises
2016-01-18T17:36:19 < kakimir> jpa-: torilla tavataan!
2016-01-18T17:37:36 < zyp> kakimir, you must have seen some weird vulvas
2016-01-18T17:38:40 < dongs> most likely its hte other way around
2016-01-18T17:38:42 < dongs> he havent seen any
2016-01-18T17:40:23 < kakimir> but with that logic
2016-01-18T17:40:40 < kakimir> you have not seen any penises
2016-01-18T17:42:35 < kakimir> if I have 2 bits in register and both have to match?
2016-01-18T17:42:42 < kakimir> to mask
2016-01-18T17:43:05 < dongs> and?
2016-01-18T17:43:07 < kakimir> do i just write it out with 2 seperate operations?
2016-01-18T17:43:16 < kakimir> and AND them
2016-01-18T17:43:40 < kakimir> or is there some.. sophisticated way
2016-01-18T17:45:29 < kakimir> another way is to
2016-01-18T17:45:48 < kakimir> AND register with the mask
2016-01-18T17:46:00 < kakimir> then equal operator it to mask itself
2016-01-18T17:46:24 < kakimir> which one you use dongs?
2016-01-18T17:46:45 < kakimir> I bet you say it doesn't even matter
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2016-01-18T18:07:34 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0wN3LLe.png
2016-01-18T18:08:36 < kakimir> what is the problem with this dude dongs ?
2016-01-18T18:09:16 < kakimir> your gf?
2016-01-18T18:09:58 < dongs> no problem
2016-01-18T18:10:00 < dongs> just that its a dude
2016-01-18T18:10:07 < kakimir> who is?
2016-01-18T18:10:27 < kakimir> have you ever been trapped dongs ?
2016-01-18T18:10:58 < kakimir> you been dating for 2 months and then you see girl have a penis
2016-01-18T18:11:12 < dongs> and then just continue cuz  you like it?
2016-01-18T18:11:14 < dongs> have YOU?
2016-01-18T18:11:21 < kakimir> and then you suck it
2016-01-18T18:11:32 < kakimir> no way
2016-01-18T18:13:12 < kakimir> there is whole trap/transsexual/corrected gender culture out there
2016-01-18T18:13:31 < kakimir> propably something in water
2016-01-18T18:15:26 < kakimir> you need to sleep dong
2016-01-18T18:16:09 < kakimir> hah it's 01:16 there
2016-01-18T18:19:26 < kakimir> what is this 8k debugging limit of lpcxpresso?
2016-01-18T18:19:48 < kakimir> size of .elf?
2016-01-18T18:20:03 < kakimir> programs size in flash?
2016-01-18T18:23:28 < dongs> you fucking stoner why are you using LPC garbage
2016-01-18T18:23:36 < dongs> also lol @ 8k debugging
2016-01-18T18:23:44 < dongs> with gcc build, thats what, just a while(1) { blink(); } right?
2016-01-18T18:24:44 < kakimir> so it's size of elf?
2016-01-18T18:25:02 < dongs> no man
2016-01-18T18:25:08 < dongs> its probly .bin size
2016-01-18T18:25:14 < dongs> like if you hex2bin
2016-01-18T18:25:25 < dongs> or waht linker would count as .text + rodata or whatever
2016-01-18T18:25:27 < kakimir> my chip has 8k flash
2016-01-18T18:25:39 < dongs> or could be flash size like that too. shruggin'
2016-01-18T18:25:44 < kakimir> so this project goes in this program
2016-01-18T18:25:54 < kakimir> next project I just create boilerplate
2016-01-18T18:26:10 < kakimir> then throw it in eclise and leave nxp to suck it
2016-01-18T18:26:24 < kakimir> Software should set this bit to enable interrupt when the Rx FIFO is at
2016-01-18T18:26:26 < kakimir> least half full.
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2016-01-18T18:26:55 < kakimir> isn't it like too late to read receive register when you are receiving next block?
2016-01-18T18:27:28 < kakimir> or does it stay in fifo and flush when block after received block comes?
2016-01-18T18:27:44 < kakimir> so there is time to read?
2016-01-18T18:28:19 < kakimir> actually current data has been just placed in register in that case
2016-01-18T18:30:16 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3b7k7bcO2g time to shitpost
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2016-01-18T18:34:15 < kakimir> If the data length is less than
2016-01-18T18:34:22 < kakimir> 16 bit, software must right-justify the data written to this register.
2016-01-18T18:34:41 < kakimir> god damn.. luckily I use 16bit transmission
2016-01-18T18:37:18 < kakimir> make it simple
2016-01-18T18:41:48 < kakimir> doing bitshifts sounds hard
2016-01-18T18:42:11 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/Wiuncda.jpg
2016-01-18T18:43:49 < XTL> Chatbot or not?
2016-01-18T18:45:29 < kakimir> Laurenceb_ is chatbot?
2016-01-18T18:46:13 < Laurenceb_> Chatbot confirmed
2016-01-18T18:47:11 < ReadError> Laurenceb_ are u a wizard yet
2016-01-18T18:47:26 < Laurenceb_> not quite
2016-01-18T18:47:50 < Laurenceb_> but I can still hang on wizardchan
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2016-01-18T18:52:28 < Laurenceb_> maybe I could hook up with hotwheels GF... but aids
2016-01-18T18:53:18 < Laurenceb_> it is rumoured she is responsible for lack of wizards
2016-01-18T18:53:44 < kakimir> :D
2016-01-18T18:54:01 < kakimir> is her skin turning grey?
2016-01-18T18:55:34 < kakimir> take some hepatitis vaccines first
2016-01-18T19:08:48 < Steffanx> Sauna time kakimir
2016-01-18T19:08:54 < Steffanx> Will you join me?
2016-01-18T19:09:06 < kakimir> I just had sauna
2016-01-18T19:09:21 < kakimir> but you dont have sauna Steffanx ?
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2016-01-18T19:09:41 < Steffanx> A ticket to finland is cheap and only takes 2.5 hours or so
2016-01-18T19:09:58 < kakimir> how cheap?
2016-01-18T19:10:33 < kakimir> like 100eur 2 direction ticket?
2016-01-18T19:11:42 < kakimir> I'm sorry Steffanx I dont have accommodations atm.
2016-01-18T19:11:50 < kakimir> I have not had for.. years
2016-01-18T19:12:19 < Steffanx> Aj, cheap arse ryanair only goes to finland in april.
2016-01-18T19:12:34 < kakimir> I'm not prepaired for guests
2016-01-18T19:13:31 < kakimir> bare minimum to accommodate myself
2016-01-18T19:13:42 < Steffanx> Too bad.
2016-01-18T19:15:38 < kakimir> and no program really
2016-01-18T19:15:53 < kakimir> there is ski resort and local bars of course
2016-01-18T19:16:33 < kakimir> I'm bad host
2016-01-18T19:17:39 < Steffanx> It's all snow in cold finland i guess?
2016-01-18T19:18:17 < kakimir> barelly nothing
2016-01-18T19:18:50 < kakimir> they use artificial snow in ski resort
2016-01-18T19:18:54 < Steffanx> We even have snow in less cold dutchland
2016-01-18T19:19:14 < kakimir> it's because of ocean
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2016-01-18T19:21:04 < kakimir> all moist air rains to scands because of altitude derivation
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2016-01-18T19:37:33 < Rob235> moist
2016-01-18T19:38:19 < Rob235> I just think of vagina every time I hear that word
2016-01-18T19:38:37 < Rob235> not allowed in any other context, its a strange word
2016-01-18T19:39:13 < kakimir> og
2016-01-18T19:39:14 < kakimir> oh
2016-01-18T19:39:17 < kakimir> only one word?
2016-01-18T19:39:19 < Rob235> :)
2016-01-18T19:40:31 < Steffanx> What would be a better alternative Rob235?
2016-01-18T19:40:51 < BrainDamage> humid
2016-01-18T19:40:56 < kakimir> you read too much erotic novels Rob235
2016-01-18T19:40:58 < Rob235> yea what he said
2016-01-18T19:41:43 < Rob235> haha, its not just me, ive talked to multiple people that felt the same way.  moist just sounds sexual to me
2016-01-18T19:42:25 < kakimir> you have some sexual tension
2016-01-18T19:42:47 < Steffanx>  birds of a feather flock together, Rob235
2016-01-18T19:43:48 < ReadError> Rob235 you can join my R&B group, The Moisturizers
2016-01-18T19:43:58 < Rob235> :)
2016-01-18T19:44:17 < Steffanx> By Garnier?
2016-01-18T19:44:34 < ReadError> by Splash Productions
2016-01-18T19:44:38 < Rob235> I should get to work... homework or drone work...
2016-01-18T19:44:44 < Steffanx> none?
2016-01-18T19:44:45 < Steffanx> Watch a movie
2016-01-18T19:44:52 < Rob235> what movie
2016-01-18T19:45:52 < Steffanx> A Cry in the wild.
2016-01-18T19:47:22 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5Lx2V6gNZQ ( no i doesnt get better than that )
2016-01-18T19:47:44 < Rob235> video not available in my country
2016-01-18T19:47:48 < Steffanx> too bad.
2016-01-18T19:50:39 < Rob235> i want to make an air mouse for my htpc but two projects at once sounds like a bad idea
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2016-01-18T19:52:00 < karlp> what will differentiate your mouse to any of the ones you can buy?
2016-01-18T19:53:59 < Rob235> never bought one so probably nothing.  sounds pretty easy to make though
2016-01-18T19:54:02 < kakimir> that was bad water landing
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2016-01-18T20:07:18 < kakimir> or maybe not
2016-01-18T20:07:42 < kakimir> kill the speed before it rolls
2016-01-18T20:07:47 < kakimir> slam it
2016-01-18T20:08:14 < kakimir> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slam+it
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2016-01-18T20:12:36 < upgrdman_> kakimir, lpcxpresso has a free register thinggy where they up the limit
2016-01-18T20:12:45 < upgrdman_> and im doing way more than 8k with the free reg version
2016-01-18T20:13:11 < upgrdman_> and as dongs said, avoid lpc if you can. total trash.
2016-01-18T20:16:00 < kakimir> lpc11xx is nicea avr replacement
2016-01-18T20:16:30 < kakimir> and 1dollar a piece or so
2016-01-18T20:17:08 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKT1VBWWRRaU9ndFk/view?usp=sharing isn't it that if data is being transmitted and received
2016-01-18T20:17:45 < kakimir> both RXMIS and TXMIS go up at the exact same time?
2016-01-18T20:18:12 < kakimir> so if I keep receiving and transmitting without pauses to nether of those
2016-01-18T20:18:32 < kakimir> I can rely on one flag and do both operations
2016-01-18T20:19:27 < kakimir> and there is really nothing wrong about lpc11.. it's too simple to ruin any way
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2016-01-18T20:23:06 < kakimir> I dont have bus pirate and I want to drive spi bus with my computer
2016-01-18T20:23:23 < kakimir> without writing whole interface
2016-01-18T20:23:42 < kakimir> I have a bunch of evboards
2016-01-18T20:23:56 < kakimir> few programmes
2016-01-18T20:24:27 < kakimir> salea clone
2016-01-18T20:24:35 < kakimir> crap can of raspies
2016-01-18T20:24:52 < kakimir> hmm that would have decent interface
2016-01-18T20:28:42 < Steffanx> Go python, go python.
2016-01-18T20:29:00 < kakimir> I never touch bython
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2016-01-18T20:29:21 < kakimir> I go C
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2016-01-18T20:30:38 < Rob235> what is python used for? I never touched it either
2016-01-18T20:31:32 < kakimir> scripting
2016-01-18T20:34:53 < kakimir> there is no way using salea clone to bitbang spi?
2016-01-18T20:35:15 < kakimir> of course using free firmwares
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2016-01-18T20:41:26 < Rob235> ohhhhh dma you suck
2016-01-18T20:41:50 < jpa-> kakimir: FX2? yeah there is
2016-01-18T20:42:03 < jpa-> fx2pipe could theoretically work, though it didn't for me
2016-01-18T20:42:14 < jpa-> not sure if anyone has made spi-specific software for it
2016-01-18T20:42:28 < kakimir> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=38830 I do dirty tricks with raspi I think
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2016-01-18T21:09:54 < jadew> ffs... someone in china is stupid
2016-01-18T21:10:19 < jadew> I can't find a 30V 30A bench supply with an on/off button
2016-01-18T21:10:26 < jadew> they only have a power on/off button :/
2016-01-18T21:10:40 < jadew> how stupid is that?
2016-01-18T21:12:09 < jadew> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/POWER-SUPPLY-BENCH-0-30V-30A-Bench-Top-Power-Supplies-Test-IN06990-/381449160409
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2016-01-18T21:13:07 < jadew> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Brand-New-KXN-3030D-High-power-Switching-DC-Power-Supply-0-30V-0-30A-900W-5TXE-/121709221884
2016-01-18T21:13:19 < jadew> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Laboratory-power-supply-5-60V-30A-Heavy-Duty-Microset-LT430-/371181468263
2016-01-18T21:13:21 < jadew> WTF?
2016-01-18T21:15:00 < jadew> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HCS-3602-MAAS-Schaltnetzteil-1-30-V-DC-0-30-A-Labornetzteil-wie-Neu-OVP-/201504046082
2016-01-18T21:15:33 < Simon--> add button to short voltage selection pot to 0V? :)
2016-01-18T21:15:57 < jadew> Simon--, why not just disconnect the plugs? :)
2016-01-18T21:16:36 < jadew> shorting it to 0 might work too, but you don't know how they behave
2016-01-18T21:16:48 < Simon--> yah
2016-01-18T21:17:04 < jadew> still, very weird
2016-01-18T21:18:05 < jadew> I must be missing something tho, this is surreal
2016-01-18T21:20:05 < jadew> the only ones I found that have on off switches are > $1k
2016-01-18T21:20:19 < Lux> on the maas with usb you can switch it on/off via software
2016-01-18T21:20:34 < jadew> Lux, that's good to know thanks
2016-01-18T21:20:40 < Lux> but that's not an option i guess ^^
2016-01-18T21:20:40 < jadew> you have that one?
2016-01-18T21:21:05 < Lux> i got the 1-16V 0-30A one with usb
2016-01-18T21:21:08 < jadew> well, if you can switch it on/off by software, you can probably siwtch it on/off by switch too
2016-01-18T21:21:14 < jadew> it's just a matter of finding the right trace
2016-01-18T21:21:16 < jadew> to cut
2016-01-18T21:21:21 < Lux> probably
2016-01-18T21:21:46 < Lux> there is also an analog control plug on the back
2016-01-18T21:21:46 < jadew> nice, what is your opinion on it so far?
2016-01-18T21:22:18 < Lux> there is probably some enable there aswell, but i didn't look into it
2016-01-18T21:22:19 < jadew> ah ha, so you can probably tie yourself to that and bring a switch on the front panel
2016-01-18T21:22:44 < Lux> seems fine, i've only used it to power a quadcopter on a testrig so far
2016-01-18T21:22:50 < Lux> up to like 15A loads
2016-01-18T21:23:52 < jadew> cool, I need ~22A
2016-01-18T21:24:15 < jadew> pretty sure I saw a 30A version
2016-01-18T21:24:22 < jadew> ah, that one
2016-01-18T21:24:38 < Lux> jadew: page 10 http://cdn-reichelt.de/documents/datenblatt/D400/HCS-33XXUSB.pdf
2016-01-18T21:25:29 < jadew> that doesn't tell me much :D
2016-01-18T21:25:50 < Lux> there you see the pinout of that analog plug, it has an enable wire
2016-01-18T21:26:03 < Lux> so you could use that to hack something in
2016-01-18T21:26:27 < jadew> nice
2016-01-18T21:26:46 < jadew> then I think that's it
2016-01-18T21:27:15 < jadew> there's not much choice out there
2016-01-18T21:27:41 < Lux> sigrok also has some documentation on that series: https://sigrok.org/wiki/Manson_HCS-3xxx_series
2016-01-18T21:27:54 < Lux> seems to be more accurate than the datasheets :)
2016-01-18T21:28:25 < jadew> heh
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2016-01-18T22:16:09 < PeterM> jadew, http://gophertc.com/en/32v-32a-adjustable-dc-power-supply
2016-01-18T22:16:37 < PeterM> http://bit.ly/1Pmpm1h
2016-01-18T22:18:28 < jadew> PeterM, yeah, I found that too, not bad
2016-01-18T22:19:46 < PeterM> i have a few of the lower power versions, they're good - but dont like you putting mains voltage on the inputs :P
2016-01-18T22:20:12 < jadew> heh, how did that happen?
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2016-01-18T22:20:50 < PeterM> i often have a set of dmm probes plugged into them with a current  limit set and use that to check diods Vf and the like
2016-01-18T22:21:02 < PeterM> i also happen to use the same style of probes for my dmm
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2016-01-18T22:21:46 < PeterM> one thing leads to another and you're accidentalyl probing your pfc output with your powersupply not your dmm
2016-01-18T22:22:29 < jadew> did something blow up?
2016-01-18T22:24:05 < PeterM> some caps and transistors and diodes
2016-01-18T22:24:33 < PeterM> pretty much all of the control stuff was unharmed though
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2016-01-18T22:43:41 < upgrdman_> damn. bit again by metastability. time to fix me shit code.
2016-01-18T22:45:03 < Steffanx> Open sores it upgrdman_ and get the community to fix your codez
2016-01-18T22:45:31 < upgrdman_> excellent idea
2016-01-18T22:45:59 < upgrdman_> doubt my work would let me open sauce their secret sauce fpga code
2016-01-18T22:46:48 < Steffanx> dont tell em
2016-01-18T22:46:59 < Steffanx> Like they know you are mr upgrdman_
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2016-01-18T22:47:32 < upgrdman_> despite how i act in IRC, i do actually have morals.
2016-01-18T22:48:12 < Steffanx> awh.
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2016-01-18T22:49:03 < Steffanx> Like anyone here doenst have a special irc personality.
2016-01-18T22:49:22 < Steffanx> Except jpa-.
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2016-01-18T23:17:59 < kakimir> got hungry after eating
2016-01-18T23:18:26 < kakimir> like I need to swallow something meaty now
2016-01-18T23:18:33 < kakimir> and lot's of it
2016-01-18T23:20:40 < kakimir> nobody bite this hook?
2016-01-18T23:20:41 < kakimir> okay
2016-01-18T23:21:14 < kakimir> if I make function pointer out of inline function
2016-01-18T23:21:47 < kakimir> and call it using that pointer
2016-01-18T23:22:00 < kakimir> does it actually make it inline
2016-01-18T23:22:07 < kakimir> or not
2016-01-18T23:25:27 < kakimir> it does something
2016-01-18T23:25:41 < kakimir> how about if I switch between functions
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2016-01-18T23:27:57 < kakimir> stm32 spi has bells and whistless
2016-01-18T23:28:11 < kakimir> CRC engine
2016-01-18T23:29:15 < kakimir> I rather have seperate CRC engine
2016-01-18T23:30:07 < kakimir> looking at F1
2016-01-18T23:30:30 < kakimir> M3 cortex..
2016-01-18T23:30:49 < kakimir> where is the logic
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2016-01-18T23:35:20 < kakimir> ockay F0 is M0
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2016-01-19T00:06:29 < Rob235> Can you have an array of function pointers?  I haven't looked into how to do them yet so this may be a dumb question but I would think it would work...
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2016-01-19T00:07:22 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-19T00:07:26 < Rob235> ok thanks
2016-01-19T00:07:29 < kakimir> who stops you?
2016-01-19T00:07:36 < kakimir> you can
2016-01-19T00:08:06 < kakimir> it's a pointer
2016-01-19T00:08:30 < kakimir> I think you need to have matching types
2016-01-19T00:08:32 < Rob235> I don't know how they are set up and called so I just wanted to make sure
2016-01-19T00:10:36 < kakimir> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/252748/how-can-i-use-an-array-of-function-pointers
2016-01-19T00:11:20 < Rob235> oh thats incredibly easy haha, I should just looked it up :)
2016-01-19T00:11:27 < Rob235> should have*
2016-01-19T00:12:02 < kakimir> you set function to pointer like this: fp = function;
2016-01-19T00:12:09 < kakimir> wihout()
2016-01-19T00:12:32 < kakimir> and call function pointer function like normal function
2016-01-19T00:12:34 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1450123545095.png
2016-01-19T00:12:35 < kakimir> fp();
2016-01-19T00:12:56 < kakimir> hello Laurenceb_
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2016-01-19T00:13:46 < kakimir> please go to instagram laurenceb
2016-01-19T00:28:43 < Laurenceb_> too busy voting from trump
2016-01-19T00:28:47 < Laurenceb_> *for
2016-01-19T00:31:44 < kakimir> you are brit. get you shit together
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2016-01-19T00:43:09 < Laurenceb_> inb4 I move the US
2016-01-19T00:43:27 < kakimir> you dont have right to vote
2016-01-19T00:44:12 < kakimir> before buyin pick up truck and speaking fluent south west accent
2016-01-19T00:45:04 < kakimir> + like 5years or what is number of years for brit to have citizenship?
2016-01-19T00:46:06 < Laurenceb_> something like that
2016-01-19T00:46:07 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/thumb/1451850246035.jpg
2016-01-19T00:47:19 < kakimir> unless you find some big big mammal you make love to and marry in the next moment in vegas
2016-01-19T00:48:05 < kakimir> then collect your citizenship from local whatever population office
2016-01-19T00:59:07 < MightyPork> hi, anyone ever worked with CCM?
2016-01-19T00:59:19 < MightyPork> wondering if I could use it for something. like put stack in it or idk
2016-01-19T01:02:41 < kakimir> what is it
2016-01-19T01:08:52 < MightyPork> core coupled memory
2016-01-19T01:09:10 < MightyPork> from what I understand it's memory that doesn't work with DMA, not sure why they put it there
2016-01-19T01:09:19 < kakimir> doesn't sound basic level feature
2016-01-19T01:09:31 < kakimir> speed of course
2016-01-19T01:09:31 < MightyPork> but it's 16 kB of unused memory
2016-01-19T01:09:44 < kakimir> or memmory area protection
2016-01-19T01:10:00 < kakimir> or generally no need to have all memmory access for DMA
2016-01-19T01:10:10 < kakimir> lower complexity
2016-01-19T01:10:35 < kakimir> makes all the sense doesn't it?
2016-01-19T01:10:41 < MightyPork> it has it's uses, I suppose
2016-01-19T01:10:55 < MightyPork> just wondering what can I do with it. because my main ram is a bit tight
2016-01-19T01:10:55 < kakimir> those are seperate memorys
2016-01-19T01:10:57 < kakimir> so
2016-01-19T01:11:09 < zyp> MightyPork, which chip
2016-01-19T01:11:09 < kakimir> another might be busy
2016-01-19T01:11:14 < kakimir> doing all the stuff
2016-01-19T01:11:20 < MightyPork> f303re
2016-01-19T01:11:24 < zyp> ah
2016-01-19T01:11:57 < zyp> the CCM on f3 is meant to be used for code, to execute critical functions faster than what's possible from flash
2016-01-19T01:12:00 < zyp> IIRC
2016-01-19T01:12:10 < kakimir> code memmory.. smart
2016-01-19T01:12:14 < MightyPork> i've read something like that
2016-01-19T01:12:18 < kakimir> you dont need dma access for it
2016-01-19T01:12:32 < MightyPork> so think it'd be possible to have stack there?
2016-01-19T01:12:37 < MightyPork> (guess not)
2016-01-19T01:12:51 < zyp> you can, but I'm not sure it's a good idea
2016-01-19T01:14:12 < MightyPork> okay i suppose not worth the effort to mess up my linker script
2016-01-19T01:14:22 < zyp> because if it's located to be fast for instruction fetches, it might not be so fast for data reads/writes
2016-01-19T01:15:46 < MightyPork> How'd that work tho, with some __attribute__ you put a function to 0x10000000 and its copied there on startup?
2016-01-19T01:16:26 < MightyPork> or more like for loading whole program there fpga-style from external memory?
2016-01-19T01:16:43 < englishman> iirc you tell your linker to put it there
2016-01-19T01:16:52 < englishman> and yeah its flash not ram
2016-01-19T01:17:14 < zyp> you make a new section, set up the linker script and startup code to initialize that section similar to .data, and then you just use the section attribute
2016-01-19T01:17:59 < MightyPork> oh, interesting. would be curious to hear from someone who actually did that
2016-01-19T01:18:27 < zyp> I haven't, but it's easy to do
2016-01-19T01:20:55 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/gallery/1IHgI72
2016-01-19T01:28:34 < Rob235> In C, if you have a bool represented by a typedef enum and have a bool global variable, is that variable set to 0 (false) at compile time like other datatypes?
2016-01-19T01:30:26 < kakimir> most likely
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2016-01-19T01:47:43 < kakimir> http://termite.apcdn.com/full/139931.jpg
2016-01-19T01:48:14 < zyp> Rob235, yes
2016-01-19T01:48:32 < Rob235> thanks
2016-01-19T01:52:25 < Rob235> is it good programming practice to init them to zero anyway?
2016-01-19T01:54:05 < kakimir> nobody blaims you if you do
2016-01-19T01:55:10 < kakimir> I think zero is not guaranteed by C language
2016-01-19T01:55:42 < zyp> sure it is
2016-01-19T01:55:47 < kakimir> okay
2016-01-19T01:55:48 < zyp> he specified global
2016-01-19T01:56:03 < kakimir> global is initialized to zero?
2016-01-19T01:56:16 < zyp> yeas
2016-01-19T01:56:17 < zyp> yes
2016-01-19T01:56:26 < zyp> that's why startup code has to clear .bss
2016-01-19T01:58:09 < upgrdman> damn, i'm so fucking pro. rainbow wire and everything.  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/fpga_adc_mux_dac.jpg
2016-01-19T01:59:08 < upgrdman> fuck, i wrote 2015 instead of 2016 on that board :(
2016-01-19T01:59:59 < zyp> haha
2016-01-19T02:00:13 < zyp> greenwire it into 2016!
2016-01-19T02:00:25 < upgrdman> ya
2016-01-19T02:00:48 < zyp> which fpga is that?
2016-01-19T02:00:52 < Sync> rekt
2016-01-19T02:00:53 < upgrdman> lattice mach xo2
2016-01-19T02:00:53 < kakimir> https://www.facebook.com/VolkswagenNorge/videos/817286068398867 time to shitpost
2016-01-19T02:01:32 < kakimir> why you make so stylish boards upgrdman
2016-01-19T02:01:41 < kakimir> that is avant garde
2016-01-19T02:01:45 < upgrdman> needed a quick prototype
2016-01-19T02:02:10 < upgrdman> so i can justify my design to management
2016-01-19T02:02:23 < upgrdman> firmware design, not hardware
2016-01-19T02:06:00 < Fleck> upgrdman: do you even upgrade, man? :D
2016-01-19T02:06:09 < upgrdman> i do
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2016-01-19T02:10:45 < kakimir> are entities created of struct type caller variables?
2016-01-19T02:11:00 < upgrdman> yes
2016-01-19T02:11:10 < upgrdman> unless it's const :)
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2016-01-19T02:22:49 < upgrdman> nice battlestation  http://imgur.com/gallery/ERFyO
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2016-01-19T02:47:44 < aandrew> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/12105439/Concern-for-health-of-passenger-breaking-wind-in-rows-10-to-12.html
2016-01-19T02:47:54 < upgrdman> old
2016-01-19T02:48:06 < aandrew> upgrdman: oh, I have that Lattice board
2016-01-19T02:48:19 < upgrdman> cool. we're board buddies! /s
2016-01-19T02:48:24 < aandrew> lol
2016-01-19T02:53:00 < kakimir> that napkin
2016-01-19T02:53:01 < kakimir> :D
2016-01-19T02:54:19 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaKc_zmtWqo
2016-01-19T02:54:26 < kakimir> new eric prydz
2016-01-19T02:55:08 < dongs> suup blogs
2016-01-19T02:55:21 < upgrdman> sup
2016-01-19T02:55:51 < kakimir> master dongs
2016-01-19T02:56:12 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/CP5dNqd.gifv lol'd
2016-01-19T02:58:40 < dongs> upgrdman: nice china jumper wires
2016-01-19T02:58:49 < upgrdman> thx
2016-01-19T03:01:48 < kakimir> lets keep shitpostin all night
2016-01-19T03:01:54 < kakimir> so nobody needs to work
2016-01-19T03:02:32 < kakimir> fucking brutal
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2016-01-19T03:03:14 < kakimir> friend or relative of mine had little accident with old dynamite
2016-01-19T03:03:51 < kakimir> it had fuse that burned internally to keep it watertight
2016-01-19T03:04:03 < kakimir> "why wont it go off"
2016-01-19T03:04:32 < upgrdman> kakimir, http://gfycat.com/FrighteningFortunateAracari
2016-01-19T03:06:31 < kakimir> are you trying something upgrdman?
2016-01-19T03:06:46 < upgrdman> ?
2016-01-19T03:07:20 < kakimir> shitpost - success
2016-01-19T03:09:02 < upgrdman> more:  https://youtu.be/irPMIiE2sXs?t=46
2016-01-19T03:09:12 < kakimir> please dont
2016-01-19T03:09:30 < kakimir> I'm thinking of function pointers and spi fifos
2016-01-19T03:10:32 < kakimir> somebody have experience of this lpc spi?
2016-01-19T03:10:34 < kakimir> dongs?
2016-01-19T03:15:53 < kakimir> help out traitor
2016-01-19T03:16:04 < kakimir> :D
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2016-01-19T03:28:06 < kakimir> so if I want to store function pointer in another function pointer
2016-01-19T03:29:26 < dongs> yo dawg
2016-01-19T03:29:40 < upgrdman> lolol   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDzAwfSI1sw
2016-01-19T03:30:35 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: isnt that just ... a pointer?
2016-01-19T03:30:46 < Laurenceb_> kakimir is getting high then asking questions again
2016-01-19T03:30:55 < kakimir> fp1 = fp2
2016-01-19T03:30:57 < kakimir> rite?
2016-01-19T03:31:15 < kakimir> rite?
2016-01-19T03:32:20 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-01-19T03:32:24 < Laurenceb_> its just a pointer
2016-01-19T03:32:36 < Laurenceb_> you can assign a "value" to it
2016-01-19T03:32:48 < Laurenceb_> in reality its going to be a uint32 memory address to the function
2016-01-19T03:33:04 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-19T03:33:18 < kakimir> or int?
2016-01-19T03:33:22 < kakimir> does it matter
2016-01-19T03:33:24 < Laurenceb_> you can pipe it out of a uart or whatever
2016-01-19T03:33:36 < Laurenceb_> just pointer then the compiler wont be confused
2016-01-19T03:33:56 < kakimir> but how about placing function into that pointer
2016-01-19T03:34:06 < kakimir> some examples have different
2016-01-19T03:34:16 < kakimir> fp = &function;
2016-01-19T03:34:28 < kakimir> but isn't fp = function how you do it
2016-01-19T03:34:57 < kakimir> as function is actually it's... address
2016-01-19T03:35:00  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2016-01-19T03:35:02 < Laurenceb_> have fun
2016-01-19T03:35:41 < kakimir> you too
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2016-01-19T03:40:20 < kakimir> he leaves hard way
2016-01-19T03:42:40 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-19T03:42:57 < dongs> he yanks teh ethernet cable out of t he wall so hard, it takes half the wall down wih him
2016-01-19T03:43:03 < dongs> so ever day he neesd to fix his room
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2016-01-19T03:45:45 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-19T03:47:02 < kakimir> that what I thought first
2016-01-19T03:50:20 < kakimir> propably he just throws his computer out of window
2016-01-19T03:58:27 < kakimir> how I can be this tired at 4AM
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2016-01-19T04:06:38 < kakimir> so expensive ADC reads
2016-01-19T04:06:50 < kakimir> bitshift and then mask 10bits
2016-01-19T04:06:58 < kakimir> why not just
2016-01-19T04:07:03 < kakimir> give the damn value
2016-01-19T04:07:18 < kakimir> make another register for plain value
2016-01-19T04:07:41 < kakimir> lazy ass shiet
2016-01-19T04:08:30 < kakimir> wait I can leave bitshift out and
2016-01-19T04:08:49 < kakimir> lowest bits are zeros
2016-01-19T04:09:28 < kakimir> then just deal with them later
2016-01-19T04:09:32 < kakimir> maybe in master board
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2016-01-19T06:03:30 < dongs> unfunny
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2016-01-19T06:08:25 < dongs> The shipment is under security check. Please wait in patience.
2016-01-19T06:08:28 < upgrdman> R2COM, lol. can i buy that setup on aliexpress?
2016-01-19T06:08:37 < dongs> what setup
2016-01-19T06:08:45 < upgrdman> buttplug chick
2016-01-19T06:08:57 < dongs> its just a fucking car charger inside some ugly hoes butt
2016-01-19T06:09:10 < dongs> about as funny as a typical reddit post
2016-01-19T06:09:12 < upgrdman> R2COM, chick + that plug. my cell phone battery is getting low.
2016-01-19T06:09:42 < dongs> 5+?
2016-01-19T06:09:45 < dongs> i woudlnt touch that shit even once
2016-01-19T06:10:15 < upgrdman> who said anything about fucking that whore
2016-01-19T06:10:41 < upgrdman> no
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2016-01-19T06:14:41 < dongs> just shut up none of you are getting laid anyitme soon
2016-01-19T06:15:09 < upgrdman> lol
2016-01-19T06:15:44 < upgrdman> women are good for more than sex
2016-01-19T06:16:00 < upgrdman> they can also, uh... cook you some food.
2016-01-19T06:16:05 < dongs> well certainly not for charging ipads through buttplugs
2016-01-19T06:18:52 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/r/wtf/fYUB7L6
2016-01-19T06:19:19 < dongs> old as fuck
2016-01-19T06:19:28 < dongs> that image is from like pre-9/11
2016-01-19T06:19:32 < upgrdman> aandrew, posting selfies, huh?
2016-01-19T06:19:54 < aandrew> well, I am serious
2016-01-19T06:20:11 < aandrew> haha: http://imgur.com/r/wtf/UHlIzaP
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2016-01-19T06:36:19 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/r/wtf/AbzXm9y   <-- dongs quadcopter
2016-01-19T06:36:42 < dongs> stop wasting time on imgur
2016-01-19T06:37:13 < upgrdman> ya. 9gag has better SNR /s
2016-01-19T06:39:37 < dongs> i must be the only imgur user who uses it to like host shitty random screenshots
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2016-01-19T07:58:29 < PeterM> dongs if you browse usersub you lean that people that use imgur dont realize you can post without it going to gallery so you see nudes, random screenshots, random photos of shit  who knows
2016-01-19T07:59:05 < dongs> what is usersub, i dont e ven know
2016-01-19T07:59:21 < dongs> i only use it to upload screenshots
2016-01-19T07:59:32 < dongs> i had to make one so I could pay them to not have ads
2016-01-19T07:59:37 < dongs> then they fucking stopped that service
2016-01-19T07:59:38 < dongs> and REFUNDED ME
2016-01-19T08:03:08 < PeterM> lol
2016-01-19T08:03:30 < PeterM> user submitted is where trash goes before people vote on it for it to go to the fornt page
2016-01-19T08:04:00 < PeterM> its still trash, but it's trash people have voted on
2016-01-19T08:09:30 < dongs> you mean when i upload random altidong trash it goes there?
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2016-01-19T08:18:50 < upgrdman> R2COM, schlong beach is nice right now.
2016-01-19T08:21:34 < dongs> packeted that fcker off
2016-01-19T08:23:46 < upgrdman> lol
2016-01-19T08:30:34 < upgrdman> sweet. just realized in windows 10 you can middle click on an existing window in the taskbar to open up another copy of the program.
2016-01-19T08:30:48 < upgrdman> well another instance, not a copy
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2016-01-19T08:32:19 < jpa-> upgrdman: they've copied that from ubuntu, clearly
2016-01-19T08:32:36 < jpa-> (if only it wasn't already in windows 7 ;)
2016-01-19T08:33:26 < upgrdman> oh, 7 too? TIL.
2016-01-19T08:35:41 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/jaVHlqk.webm
2016-01-19T08:35:43 < dongs> retweeting
2016-01-19T08:36:03 < dongs> upgrdman: middle click, or shift-click..
2016-01-19T08:36:04 < dongs> been there for years
2016-01-19T08:36:07 < PeterM> fucking astro cats
2016-01-19T08:36:21 < dongs> same works on tile menu too
2016-01-19T08:37:37 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/r/cucumbersscaringcats
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2016-01-19T09:03:18 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/r/nsfwfunny/jkhvng3
2016-01-19T09:18:47 < ac|work> avr programmer
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2016-01-19T09:19:40 < jpa-> "This new code is attached. Just  change .zop into .zip."   such pro
2016-01-19T09:22:04 < dongs> ror
2016-01-19T09:22:25 < dongs> i do same too cuz fucking gmail deletes the zip most of hte tie m
2016-01-19T09:22:28 < dongs> thanks, "viruses"
2016-01-19T09:31:36 < PeterM> i can't even put trojans in jpgs anymore, fucking gmail...
2016-01-19T09:33:24 < qyx> like this? https://syrianfreepress.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/isis-eu-trojan-horse-630x479.jpg
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2016-01-19T10:34:16 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/NjSuUyy.jpg
2016-01-19T10:34:53 < qyx> wtf "Port a Keil compiler from windows to linux"
2016-01-19T10:34:56 < dongs> wat
2016-01-19T10:35:04 < qyx> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Port-Keil-compiler-from-windows/
2016-01-19T10:35:07 < qyx> aha
2016-01-19T10:35:24 < dongs> $600
2016-01-19T10:35:26 < dongs> l o l
2016-01-19T10:35:43 < dongs> oh
2016-01-19T10:35:45 < qyx> actually he wants to port a c software
2016-01-19T10:35:47 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-19T10:35:56 < dongs> i thought he wanted keil running on lunix
2016-01-19T10:36:01 < dongs> well, believe it or not, thats trivial
2016-01-19T10:36:02 < qyx> me too
2016-01-19T10:36:05 < jpa-> wine, done ;)
2016-01-19T10:36:06 < dongs> its hte other way around thats retarded
2016-01-19T10:36:15 < dongs> making gnu shit compile wiht any real compiler = lol
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2016-01-19T10:57:10 < MightyPork> hi anyone can please help me with f303's usart? Trying to make "async transmit" of a string
2016-01-19T10:57:15 < dongs> PeterM: beep
2016-01-19T10:57:21 < dongs> metcal SP200 is that good or trash
2016-01-19T10:57:25 < MightyPork> but seems the TXE irq is firing constantly instead of when tx actually completes
2016-01-19T10:57:31 < dongs> does that work with recent tips or neesd some special shit
2016-01-19T10:57:33 < dongs> for basestation
2016-01-19T10:57:57 < jpa-> MightyPork: do you clear the IRQ flag by writing to the data register in the interrupt handler?
2016-01-19T10:58:13 < zyp> MightyPork, tx buffer is usually double buffered, so it's usually firing when tx starts, not when it completes
2016-01-19T10:58:23 < MightyPork> jpa- well, not if there is no more data
2016-01-19T10:58:35 < jpa-> MightyPork: then you need to disable the TXE interrupt after last byte
2016-01-19T10:58:37 < zyp> MightyPork, when you're out of data, you have to turn off TXEIE
2016-01-19T10:58:44 < MightyPork> so you are saying I should enable the interrupt when starting and disable when last is sent?
2016-01-19T10:58:48 < jpa-> yeah
2016-01-19T10:58:49 < zyp> of course
2016-01-19T10:58:49 < MightyPork> oh ok
2016-01-19T10:58:55 < MightyPork> that's silly but ok
2016-01-19T10:59:06 < zyp> it's not silly, it's obvious
2016-01-19T10:59:26 < jpa-> it's obvious only if you realise that most irqs on stm32 are level sensitive
2016-01-19T10:59:31 < MightyPork> it's not, to me anyway. From my understanding of interrupts it should fire on rising edge of the flag, not repeatedly
2016-01-19T10:59:36 < MightyPork> well, on other chips its like that
2016-01-19T10:59:56 < MightyPork> yea. which I think is a bad design
2016-01-19T11:01:35 < jpa-> yeah, sometimes edge sensitive would be nicer
2016-01-19T11:01:45 < jpa-> but that makes it a bit annoying to multiplex interrupts
2016-01-19T11:02:14 < MightyPork> what do you mean multiplex?
2016-01-19T11:02:23 < MightyPork> like do multiple in single handler?
2016-01-19T11:02:33 < jpa-> like UART RXNE and TXE go to the same handler, if it was edge sensitive you wouldn't actually know which interrupt occurred
2016-01-19T11:02:36 < jpa-> yeah
2016-01-19T11:02:48 < MightyPork> yea, that's a good point
2016-01-19T11:02:57 < MightyPork> would need heaps more irq vectors
2016-01-19T11:03:03 < jpa-> of course a few extra ifs can solve that for most cases anyway
2016-01-19T11:03:07 < zyp> jpa-, when would edge sensitive be nicer?
2016-01-19T11:03:17 < MightyPork> no need to clear flags
2016-01-19T11:03:22 < jpa-> zyp: e.g. in MightyPork's case
2016-01-19T11:03:27 < zyp> how?
2016-01-19T11:03:32 < jpa-> no need to enable/disable irq, just write to DR to start transfer
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2016-01-19T11:04:03 < zyp> that sounds like a recipe for a race problem, to me
2016-01-19T11:05:31 < zyp> I'd argue that it's not really a matter of edge vs level that this misconception is based on, but the fact that TX empty is a persisting state, unlike a TX complete flag would be
2016-01-19T11:06:23 < zyp> I think the UARTs also got a TXC status bit, no?
2016-01-19T11:06:26 < MightyPork> hmm there's also a "TC" flag. not at all sure how it works
2016-01-19T11:06:49 < zyp> it fires when TX actually completed
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2016-01-19T11:07:15 < MightyPork> as in, the shift register is empty ?
2016-01-19T11:07:25 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-19T11:07:27 < MightyPork> not sure why anyone would care about that state
2016-01-19T11:07:42 < zyp> in some cases you need to know when the last bit is actually out
2016-01-19T11:07:51 < zyp> if you have sideband signalling or something
2016-01-19T11:07:55 < MightyPork> oh. ok
2016-01-19T11:08:11 < zyp> like, for SPI you'd want to deassert chip select only after the last bit is out
2016-01-19T11:09:03 < zyp> the nice thing about TXE being handled as it is, is that you don't need to have two separate pieces of code to write DR
2016-01-19T11:09:37 < zyp> i.e. you don't write DR to start, you just initialize the state machine for your driver which sets TXEIE
2016-01-19T11:09:39 < PeterM> donghs trash
2016-01-19T11:09:42 < PeterM> dongs
2016-01-19T11:09:50 < zyp> and then the interrupt fires immediately and writes the first byte for you
2016-01-19T11:09:51 < dongs> PeterM: too old to be useful?
2016-01-19T11:09:59 < PeterM> its new, but its their lowend stuff
2016-01-19T11:10:15 < dongs> fagnell says no longer manufactured
2016-01-19T11:10:21 < zyp> which is similar to how a DMA job would work
2016-01-19T11:10:37 < PeterM> probably didnt sell well because it was trash
2016-01-19T11:11:05 < MightyPork> yea I see how it works. just a bit confusing. could improve the RM a bit to point out the gotchas
2016-01-19T11:11:39 < jpa-> but the gotchas are different for everybody :P
2016-01-19T11:11:45 < PeterM> its nto compatible with any of their otehr stuff either iirc
2016-01-19T11:11:56 < PeterM> its 470khz vs 13.56mhz
2016-01-19T11:12:42 < jpa-> one gotcha with the usart is that the hardware rts/cts toggles quite a lot even if you handle the usart with dma
2016-01-19T11:12:54 < jpa-> and some other devices are stupid enough to get confused about that
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2016-01-19T11:14:40 < MightyPork> oh is that the hardware handshake stuff?
2016-01-19T11:14:42 < MightyPork> never used it
2016-01-19T11:15:09 < zyp> hardware flow control
2016-01-19T11:15:14 < MightyPork> is it better than async for something?
2016-01-19T11:15:23 < zyp> it's flow control.
2016-01-19T11:15:43 < jpa-> it's pretty much mandatory if your system is not fast enough to handle the data at full speed
2016-01-19T11:15:55 < zyp> flow control means that the receiver has the possibility to signal back "please hang on, I'm not ready to receive yet"
2016-01-19T11:16:08 < MightyPork> i know what fc means, just got confused
2016-01-19T11:16:22 < MightyPork> dont think any of my devices supports the signals tho
2016-01-19T11:16:32 < zyp> nah, it's not much used
2016-01-19T11:16:58 < dongs> PeterM: ok thanks passing.
2016-01-19T11:17:04 < dongs> clonerpal lookin for a new iron so
2016-01-19T11:17:08 < zyp> most applications doesn't seem to need it
2016-01-19T11:17:42 < jpa-> yeah, 11.5kB/s is slow enough that it's rarely a problem
2016-01-19T11:17:51 < MightyPork> wait so would that prevent the overrun condition from happening?
2016-01-19T11:17:54 < jpa-> atleast when data is divided to chunks and acked anyway
2016-01-19T11:18:02 < jpa-> MightyPork: hopefully, yes
2016-01-19T11:18:23 < jpa-> though most of the time the STM32 side is not the problem, as you can transfer the data with DMA plenty fast
2016-01-19T11:23:25 < MightyPork> neat, got my async tx with circular buffer working, finally
2016-01-19T11:28:29 < karlp> congrats
2016-01-19T11:30:23 < PeterM> dongs yeah, pass on it
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2016-01-19T11:35:29 < MightyPork> well poop. now I apparently get hard fault when I try to use DMA
2016-01-19T11:35:37 < MightyPork> could a few uses of malloc do this?
2016-01-19T11:35:50 < MightyPork> I'm pretty sure I dont leak any
2016-01-19T11:40:21 < MightyPork> how do you guys debug on Linux? (I used Kdbg, but now it doesn't start anymore)
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2016-01-19T11:41:53 < dongs> can you install virtualbox and load windows in it?
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2016-01-19T11:43:10 < MightyPork> I guess
2016-01-19T11:44:46 < dongs> jk i duno , eclipse + gnu arm plugin works usably
2016-01-19T11:44:49 < dongs> with jlink as debugger
2016-01-19T11:44:53 < dongs> dont know about openocd and all that other stuff
2016-01-19T11:45:26 < MightyPork> yea im using openocd (well, was)
2016-01-19T11:49:15 < karlp> dongs: isn't the gnum arm plugin just using openocd in the background anyway?
2016-01-19T11:50:12 < dongs> no
2016-01-19T11:50:19 < dongs> i set that shit up in vmware the other day
2016-01-19T11:50:23 < dongs> there's a jlink specific plugin
2016-01-19T11:50:27 < dongs> that uses the jlink_dll or wahtever
2016-01-19T11:50:32 < dongs> openocd is not involved
2016-01-19T11:52:06 < jpa-> MightyPork: i use text mode gdb with openocd, works well
2016-01-19T11:52:20 < jpa-> MightyPork: you can see the hardfault cause in SCB->CFSR register
2016-01-19T11:52:31 < jpa-> (or using the armv7m gdb macros)
2016-01-19T11:52:55 < MightyPork> hm. so time to learn gdb
2016-01-19T11:56:19 < MightyPork> jpa-: you using that with openocd?
2016-01-19T12:02:57 < jpa-> yes?
2016-01-19T12:06:37 < MightyPork> nvm got it sort of figured out
2016-01-19T12:06:49 < MightyPork> dbg isnt that bad if you read the docs xD
2016-01-19T12:06:58 < MightyPork> *gdb
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2016-01-19T13:05:10 < c10ud^> does anyone know if there's an eagle lbr for LIS3MDL? looks like there should be one, but I cannot find it (it's linked from a random github project, but Sparkfun-Sensors doesn't have it)
2016-01-19T13:06:05 < qyx> you can create one
2016-01-19T13:06:20 < c10ud^> https://github.com/SMACproject/SMAC-Schematics-and-PCB-layouts/tree/master/Digital-Sensing/3DM
2016-01-19T13:06:24 < c10ud^> i know, I'm lazy
2016-01-19T13:06:44 < c10ud^> this project I linked says it should be in Sparkfun-Sensors
2016-01-19T13:06:49 < c10ud^> but it's not, ew
2016-01-19T13:07:30 < jpa-> we are lazier than you and won't google
2016-01-19T13:08:39 < c10ud^> looks like google isn't enough for this
2016-01-19T13:09:08 < jpa-> not like we are doing to do anything more than google, to save you 5 minutes of making a symbol yourself
2016-01-19T13:09:40 < karlp> c10ud^: eagle can extract symbols from .sch and bord files...
2016-01-19T13:09:47 < karlp> you don't need to go and find the source library if you don't wnat to...
2016-01-19T13:10:10 < c10ud^> nice karlp, I'll try this one
2016-01-19T13:10:28 < karlp> the full pdf manual for eagle is actually useful, try reading it instead of reading stackoverflow and sparkfun posts about how to use eagle.
2016-01-19T13:18:58 < c10ud^> karlp, it worked, thanks
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2016-01-19T13:26:21 < jpa-> karlp ruined my arrogance by actually being helpful :(
2016-01-19T13:26:41  * karlp uses eagle :)
2016-01-19T13:27:04 < karlp> but yeah, c10ud^ you were piss poor lazy arse slacker bastard for asking that question...
2016-01-19T13:28:13 < c10ud^> isn't this the whole point of the internet?
2016-01-19T13:28:27 < karlp> no.
2016-01-19T13:28:37 < karlp> the poitn of the internet is for porn, donðt you knwo anything?
2016-01-19T13:28:44 < jpa-> we only ask pro questions here and receive pro trollings in answer
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2016-01-19T14:00:02 < dongs> qyx, how much $ have you made off freelancer
2016-01-19T14:00:14 < dongs> dont you get outbid by pakis all the  time
2016-01-19T14:00:52 < __rob> anyone know if I can flash an stm32 and debug over jtag with http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALTERA-ByteBlaster-II-ALTERA-USB-Blaster-CPLD-FPGA-ALTERA-Download-Cable-JTAG-/271138629988
2016-01-19T14:01:10 < dongs> as a matter of fact, i think openocd can
2016-01-19T14:01:16 < dongs> PaulFertser would know for sure
2016-01-19T14:01:36 < qyx> dongs: i tried working there for a week maybe, 3 projects
2016-01-19T14:01:42 < dongs> ya?
2016-01-19T14:01:47 < qyx> I won 3 out of 4 projects i bid on
2016-01-19T14:02:00 < qyx> I am assuming most of them are bidding bots
2016-01-19T14:02:00 < __rob> yea, I saw it listed with openocd, more if anyone has tried it
2016-01-19T14:02:19 < dongs> __rob: when you have <$10 -disco boards why?
2016-01-19T14:02:35 < dongs> anyway it depends how bangable the individual pins on that thing are
2016-01-19T14:02:45 < __rob> what do you mean why when disco boards ?
2016-01-19T14:02:50 < zyp> __rob, there's also a risk that they can do only JTAG, not SWD
2016-01-19T14:02:52 < dongs> if there's a interface to control the stuff im sure openocd can do swd over it, maybe slwoly
2016-01-19T14:03:07 < __rob> I want to be able to have it on the same jtag chain as an Arria V chip
2016-01-19T14:03:16 < dongs> __rob: i mean, if you want a cheapass SWD debugger, you can buyt one on ebay for liek $3 or a cheap -discovery board for <$10
2016-01-19T14:03:22 < __rob> and be able to program it and debug, without having to hook up an stlink aswell
2016-01-19T14:03:27 < dongs> oh.
2016-01-19T14:03:27 < zyp> dongs, swd needs bidir for swdio
2016-01-19T14:03:32 < dongs> zyp, sure.
2016-01-19T14:03:49 < zyp> __rob, sounds like a waste of time
2016-01-19T14:03:56 < __rob> why ?
2016-01-19T14:04:00 < dongs> yeah dont really see why you want it on same chain
2016-01-19T14:04:38 < zyp> __rob, what are you trying to save by doing it like that?
2016-01-19T14:04:53 < __rob> umm
2016-01-19T14:05:10 < __rob> yea, dunno really
2016-01-19T14:05:14 < __rob> apart from programming from 1 place
2016-01-19T14:05:22 < __rob> like the quartus II programming tool
2016-01-19T14:06:02 < zyp> chained jtag makes sense if you're actually using it for automated boundary scan between a bunch of chips to test a board
2016-01-19T14:06:14 < zyp> it makes no sense when you're only using jtag for debugging ports
2016-01-19T14:06:24 < __rob> well surely also for programming
2016-01-19T14:06:35 < __rob> you plug it in 1 header
2016-01-19T14:06:41 < __rob> to program anything on the board
2016-01-19T14:06:45 < zyp> does the fpga you're programming have internal flash?
2016-01-19T14:06:51 < __rob> nope
2016-01-19T14:06:59 < __rob> loads its from external flash
2016-01-19T14:07:00 < zyp> so what are you programming through that port?
2016-01-19T14:07:34 < __rob> the flash it configures from
2016-01-19T14:07:41 < zyp> oh, heh
2016-01-19T14:07:44 < __rob> to be honest thats all on a dev board
2016-01-19T14:07:50 < __rob> yet to make my own board for that part
2016-01-19T14:07:57 < zyp> when I do mcu+fpga stuff, I just have the fpga slaving off the mcu
2016-01-19T14:08:01 < __rob> I am just wondering for my plugin board whether to bring across the jtag
2016-01-19T14:08:12 < __rob> add the stm32 onto the jtag
2016-01-19T14:08:17 < __rob> so its all programmed via the dev board
2016-01-19T14:08:25 < zyp> that way, fpga firmware is managed by the mcu
2016-01-19T14:08:36 < __rob> or just have my own debug interface on my plugin board to program the stm32
2016-01-19T14:08:53 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/Design-Product-9345887/ vapist detected
2016-01-19T14:09:37 < __rob> zyp, I do want to be able to copy data off the fpga though through jtag
2016-01-19T14:09:44 < __rob> like captures from SignalTap
2016-01-19T14:09:57 < dongs> just put a swd socket on the board
2016-01-19T14:10:00 < dongs> the end
2016-01-19T14:10:00 < __rob> so wouldn't want it entirely PC -> MCU -> FPGA
2016-01-19T14:10:01 < zyp> __rob, yes, and you'll want to do that while debugging the mcu
2016-01-19T14:10:11 < zyp> so you go with dedicated debugging ports for each
2016-01-19T14:10:31 < __rob> yea, makes sense
2016-01-19T14:10:51 < zyp> also, if you're sane you'll go with standard programmer connection footprints for each
2016-01-19T14:10:52 < __rob> suppose its better to have multiple dedicated debuggers if you need to look at stuff at the same time
2016-01-19T14:11:00 < zyp> and they are usually different between vendors
2016-01-19T14:11:12 < __rob> zyp, i've not done that :)
2016-01-19T14:11:24 < zyp> sucks for you then :)
2016-01-19T14:11:46 < __rob> well I wanted to use 1mm headers
2016-01-19T14:11:52 < __rob> rather then 2.54
2016-01-19T14:12:18 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/f/v0OjW.JPG <- here's my mcu+fpga dev setup, with debuggers connected to each
2016-01-19T14:12:21 < __rob> and also have a uart on the debug header
2016-01-19T14:12:28 < __rob> although I dont really need that with swo
2016-01-19T14:13:16 < zyp> for a dev setup, 2.54 headers are fine, for a compact setup, I'd go with tag-connect
2016-01-19T14:13:52 < zyp> or rather, for a dev setup I'd go with the new 1.27mm standard for the ARM at least
2016-01-19T14:13:52 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Graphic-Design/Testicular-Massager/ zyp, this looks like a proj 4 u
2016-01-19T14:14:05 < __rob> ohh nice, thanks zyp
2016-01-19T14:14:31 < zyp> and whatever is standard for your fpga vendor for that
2016-01-19T14:20:24 < kakimir> zyp: does that main board have the beef to handle it all+
2016-01-19T14:20:58 < kakimir> and what is that debugger?
2016-01-19T14:21:01 < kakimir> probe
2016-01-19T14:22:15 < zyp> which?
2016-01-19T14:22:19 < zyp> the arm debugger is a bmp2
2016-01-19T14:23:02 < kakimir> I thought it was bigger
2016-01-19T14:23:51 < zyp> that's what she said
2016-01-19T14:24:20 < dongs> pro waveshare advertising detected
2016-01-19T14:24:27 < kakimir> :<>
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2016-01-19T14:36:35 < __rob> zyp, really nice cables those tag connect
2016-01-19T14:36:41 < __rob> do you use a standard arm pinout then ?
2016-01-19T14:36:48 < zyp> I use the TC2030-CTX
2016-01-19T14:36:59 < zyp> which is a cortex-specific tag-connect pinout
2016-01-19T14:37:23 < zyp> some use a normal TC2050 with the ARM standard pinout, but it's larger for no real benefit
2016-01-19T14:37:39 < __rob> no legs ?
2016-01-19T14:37:42 < __rob> what holds it in ?
2016-01-19T14:37:51 < zyp> your hand :)
2016-01-19T14:38:05 < zyp> I use it mainly to program production boards
2016-01-19T14:38:10 < __rob> ohh right, its for quickly buzzing through boards to program
2016-01-19T14:38:12 < __rob> ahh
2016-01-19T14:38:25 < zyp> you can hold it in with a clip on the back side
2016-01-19T14:38:29 < zyp> but I always lose those
2016-01-19T14:38:33 < __rob> so what makes it cortex specific ?
2016-01-19T14:39:06 < zyp> it's a 6-pin tag connect plug with a defined footprint that matches up to a 10-pin plug with the ARM-defined pinout in the other end
2016-01-19T14:39:34 < zyp> ref. http://www.tag-connect.com/Materials/TC2030-CTX.pdf
2016-01-19T14:40:46 < __rob> right, awsome
2016-01-19T14:41:00 < __rob> might just go with the legged versin
2016-01-19T14:41:12 < __rob> the clip board looks like a bit too much messing around
2016-01-19T14:41:24 < zyp> eh, then you might as well use the standard ribbon cable thing :)
2016-01-19T14:41:38 < zyp> the holes are so big and removes area from all layers :p
2016-01-19T14:41:45 < __rob> ahh
2016-01-19T14:43:06 < __rob> at the moment I'm using http://tinyurl.com/j4bnfwd
2016-01-19T14:43:22 < __rob> but nice to be able to get rid of the header
2016-01-19T14:44:26 < zyp> I'd use that for a dev setup
2016-01-19T14:44:46 < zyp> because then cost and area is not a big concern
2016-01-19T14:45:27 < __rob> they are pretty crap tbh
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2016-01-19T14:45:30 < __rob> the headeer is ok
2016-01-19T14:45:34 < __rob> the IDC cable bit is weak
2016-01-19T14:45:56 < __rob> not really made for many cycles
2016-01-19T14:46:01 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/f/QTIae.JPG <- on this board I've got both footprints, I didn't bother removing the footprint for the IDC connector when ordering a volume series :)
2016-01-19T14:46:11 < zyp> idk, I don't have any problems
2016-01-19T14:46:26 < __rob> thats the same semtech one ?
2016-01-19T14:46:41 < zyp> same design at least
2016-01-19T14:47:11 < __rob> there are 2 slits down the sides of these
2016-01-19T14:47:28 < __rob> wondering if there is meant to be some way to remove the header without just pulling the cable
2016-01-19T14:47:46 < zyp> huh?
2016-01-19T14:47:57 < zyp> not on the ones I've been using
2016-01-19T14:48:02 < __rob> well I've pulled 2 out and only way is the cable
2016-01-19T14:48:21 < __rob> which has pulled the connector apart once or twice
2016-01-19T14:48:48 < __rob> i've had to start gluing them
2016-01-19T14:48:53 < __rob> maybe its just these semtech ones
2016-01-19T14:49:16 < zyp> I think I wore out a cable once, but other than that I haven't had any problems
2016-01-19T14:49:36 < __rob> either way, that tag-connect looks perfect
2016-01-19T14:49:49 < __rob> and only need to buy a few of them once
2016-01-19T14:49:56 < zyp> well, consider that the other end of the tag-connect is the same kind of cable ;)
2016-01-19T14:50:51 < __rob> yea, but thats likely always just going to have off the programmer
2016-01-19T14:50:58 < __rob> hang off *
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2016-01-19T14:51:51 < zyp> I'm probably going to wear out mine some time, but so far I've programmed 5-600 boards with it, so I've think it's paid for itself already
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2016-01-19T14:53:30 < __rob> umm they look like they go to 2.54mm headers no ?
2016-01-19T14:53:34 < __rob> or is that 1.27mm ?
2016-01-19T14:54:20 < zyp> the cortex variant goes to 1.27mm
2016-01-19T14:54:31 < zyp> ref. the pdf I liked to
2016-01-19T14:54:55 < __rob> ohh yea
2016-01-19T14:55:07 < __rob> my stlinks are all 2.54mm
2016-01-19T14:55:24 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/f/JAkIb.JPG <- or even refer to this pic
2016-01-19T14:56:03 < __rob> i'll take your word for it :)
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2016-01-19T14:57:55 < __rob> non cotex version with normal ribbon cable looks the same
2016-01-19T14:58:01 < __rob> just bigger
2016-01-19T14:58:13 < zyp> there's a bunch of variants
2016-01-19T14:58:32 < zyp> cortex-version is just designed to plug directly into a standard programmer with the new ARM standard connector
2016-01-19T14:58:53 < dongs> nice manufacturing there zyp
2016-01-19T14:59:22 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/01/19/adblock_party_flops_have_invite_to_admen_confab_slop_chopped/
2016-01-19T14:59:25 < dongs> lol
2016-01-19T15:00:04 < zyp> dongs, I've lost count of whether I've done five or six series now :/
2016-01-19T15:00:28 < zyp> and I'm sold out again, so I'll probably do another when I have money to spare
2016-01-19T15:00:51 < dongs> cool
2016-01-19T15:01:34 < dongs> probly after chinanewyear if  you want parts
2016-01-19T15:01:41 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-19T15:02:04 < zyp> past few sold slow anyway, so I'm gonna give it a few months to build demand again
2016-01-19T15:02:05 < dongs> pcbs + stencil for your shit arrive tomrorw but i dont haev parts for it yet, she failed to send stuff till monday
2016-01-19T15:02:23 < zyp> like, first half sold before I even received the boards, last half took months to sell
2016-01-19T15:02:30 < zyp> okay
2016-01-19T15:02:34 < zyp> mouser stuff arrived?
2016-01-19T15:02:38 < dongs> yeah monday on schedule
2016-01-19T15:02:42 < dongs> sitting here.
2016-01-19T15:02:59 < zyp> cool
2016-01-19T15:03:14 < zyp> so when do you think you'll be able to assemble?
2016-01-19T15:03:28 < dongs> this week anytime
2016-01-19T15:03:32 < zyp> nice
2016-01-19T15:03:34 < dongs> as soon as junk shows up
2016-01-19T15:03:55 < dongs> if all is good ill probly ship friday
2016-01-19T15:04:21 < dongs> i think chinagirl parts will be here thursday or something
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2016-01-19T15:04:31 < dongs> if not then ill fuck around wiht it over weekend and ship monday
2016-01-19T15:07:14 < zyp> awesome
2016-01-19T15:07:25 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/S0JqQB0.gifv
2016-01-19T15:07:49 < dongs> seen
2016-01-19T15:13:19 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/kIvHdPt.png
2016-01-19T15:14:53 < dongs> The last link has been flagged by IRC NANNY as "Possibly Unsuitable". Please find your parent(s) first and have them check the content before opening. [this channel protected by IrCNaNNY by SafeSoft v1.0b]
2016-01-19T15:15:13 < Laurenceb> old copypasta is old
2016-01-19T15:19:35 < __rob> "Information : Please wait a moment"
2016-01-19T15:19:39 < __rob> why does Altium always do this
2016-01-19T15:19:40 < __rob> randomly
2016-01-19T15:19:45 < __rob> then repeats it like 50 times
2016-01-19T15:19:48 < dongs> wut
2016-01-19T15:20:07 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=66e_1453148666
2016-01-19T15:20:12 < ReadError> __rob mine did that when crashing
2016-01-19T15:20:21 < ReadError> the popup w/ the green bar?
2016-01-19T15:20:27 < ReadError> when like they keep coming
2016-01-19T15:20:32 < ReadError> some DRC thing I think
2016-01-19T15:20:56 < __rob> ye
2016-01-19T15:21:07 < __rob> ohh its drc is it ?
2016-01-19T15:21:20 < ReadError> yea like did you move something really funny
2016-01-19T15:21:27 < ReadError> right before it happened
2016-01-19T15:22:10 < __rob> well I removed some component (header) and replaced with my tagconnect footprint
2016-01-19T15:22:18 < __rob> then validated and executed
2016-01-19T15:22:26 < __rob> seems to have a fit
2016-01-19T15:22:37 < ReadError> ya you gotta try to time saving it
2016-01-19T15:22:48 < ReadError> then kill in task mgr
2016-01-19T15:24:49 < __rob> yea, I do normally get a save in
2016-01-19T15:24:53 < __rob> just love to be able to fix it
2016-01-19T15:33:38 < mitrax> i'm experimenting with some sample code that writes to an USB disk using the fatfs library and ST usb host library and i get piss slow speed (like 200kb / sec), shouldn't i able to write much faster than that to the device?
2016-01-19T15:34:59 < Taxman> you used the cubemx code generator? did you assign a dma channel?
2016-01-19T15:35:12 < mitrax> i'm not using cubemx
2016-01-19T15:35:44 < mitrax> hold on, maybe there's something wrong with dma indeed, i assumed it did dma transfer but i don't see anything setting up
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2016-01-19T16:15:38 < mitrax> hm no DMA is enabled in the USBH_LL_Init() code
2016-01-19T16:16:49 < dongs> mitrax: 200k is not t oo awful
2016-01-19T16:17:19 < mitrax> dongs: on a F4 at 180Mhz?
2016-01-19T16:17:31 < dongs> fullspeed usb and shitty mcu you are not gonna get too close to theoretical limit of ~1meg/sec
2016-01-19T16:17:48 < dongs> i think last time i did usb mass storagae i was getting about 700k/sec
2016-01-19T16:17:59 < mitrax> but i'm using the HS port
2016-01-19T16:18:03 < dongs> er?
2016-01-19T16:18:07 < dongs> you have a HS Phy there?
2016-01-19T16:18:34 < dongs> which 'hs port'?
2016-01-19T16:18:43 < dongs> F4 only has full-speed phy on-chip
2016-01-19T16:18:50 < dongs> for HS you need to hookup external phy
2016-01-19T16:18:58 < dongs> and conenct that shit with ULPI or hwatever
2016-01-19T16:19:08 < mitrax> okay ... makes sense
2016-01-19T16:19:50 < mitrax> since i was using the 'OTG_HS_XX' pins i assumed it had a HS phy inside
2016-01-19T16:20:06 < dongs> yea thats the core that "can" do HS if you configure it w/appropriate hardware
2016-01-19T16:20:13 < dongs> there's another core that just does USB device or whatever
2016-01-19T16:20:24 < dongs> and that one is FS only
2016-01-19T16:20:32 < mitrax> that clears things up, thanks a lot
2016-01-19T16:21:56 < mitrax> what would be the achievable speed with 1 bit SDIO on eMMC sdcard?
2016-01-19T16:22:20 < dongs> 25MHz?
2016-01-19T16:22:29 < dongs> i think sdio goes to 25 unless im wrong
2016-01-19T16:22:45 < dongs> no, looks like up to 48
2016-01-19T16:22:59 < mitrax> so what would that translate to in term of transfer speed? /8 ?
2016-01-19T16:23:09 < dongs> roughly, yes
2016-01-19T16:23:52 < zyp> no
2016-01-19T16:24:04 < dongs> oh?
2016-01-19T16:24:08 < zyp> there's a SDIO errata, it won't work properly without running clk/2
2016-01-19T16:24:16 < zyp> so 24 MHz
2016-01-19T16:24:16 < dongs> pffffft
2016-01-19T16:24:28 < dongs> so no 48mhz ever?
2016-01-19T16:24:28 < zyp> apparently there's a workaround too
2016-01-19T16:24:33 < mitrax> zyp: you're such a party pooper :(
2016-01-19T16:24:38 < mitrax> :)
2016-01-19T16:25:12 < zyp> if you don't use usb, you can overclock 48MHz clock branch to 96MHz, so it becomes 48MHz with clk/2
2016-01-19T16:25:26 < dongs> i think he's using USB
2016-01-19T16:25:39 < dongs> but eh
2016-01-19T16:25:48 < zyp> also, this were a F40x errata, might be fixed in newer shit
2016-01-19T16:25:58 < dongs> i remember making some SDIO stuff on F405 and getting something around 5-6meg/sec reads
2016-01-19T16:26:01 < zyp> been a few years since I played with that
2016-01-19T16:26:05 < dongs> off a garbage-ish SD card
2016-01-19T16:26:09 < dongs> maybe it wasnt 1bit tho
2016-01-19T16:26:10 < zyp> sure
2016-01-19T16:26:12 < zyp> with 4bit
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2016-01-19T16:26:27 < mitrax> zyp: by the way, was it you who mentionned an errata that related to one of the pin (don't remember which one but it's used by the LCD controller) that could corrupt execution from flash when the pin was set high?
2016-01-19T16:26:34 < zyp> haha, yes
2016-01-19T16:26:41 < zyp> on F42x with 2MB flash
2016-01-19T16:27:17 < zyp> if you use a specific pin (PA9 or something), it'll corrupt second bank reads
2016-01-19T16:27:18 < mitrax> have you had more information regarding that silicon bug since? i remember you said revision 3 was unaffected
2016-01-19T16:27:28 < zyp> correct
2016-01-19T16:27:43 < zyp> idk, I just spent a bunch of time finding rev 3 parts
2016-01-19T16:27:50 < mitrax> ok the real question is: do you know of any vendor that will sell rev3 ? :)
2016-01-19T16:27:54 < mitrax> ahaha
2016-01-19T16:27:55 < dongs> <-
2016-01-19T16:27:59 < zyp> dongs got me them
2016-01-19T16:28:03 < mitrax> oh
2016-01-19T16:28:25 < zyp> that was F427, but F429 has same errata
2016-01-19T16:28:46 < zyp> do you need 2MB flash though?
2016-01-19T16:28:52 < mitrax> yeah
2016-01-19T16:29:17 < zyp> well, you could avoid that pin in your design
2016-01-19T16:29:25 < zyp> I think it's one of the OTG_FS ones
2016-01-19T16:29:36 < zyp> if it's PA9, it would be OTG_FS_VBUS IIRC
2016-01-19T16:29:44 < mitrax> or well... technically i don't need to store 2MB of code, i'm having lots of resource (bitmaps / fonts and shit) in rom
2016-01-19T16:30:14 < zyp> how about just putting down a SPI flash or something?
2016-01-19T16:30:24 < zyp> I would have done that if I designed that board today
2016-01-19T16:30:31 < zyp> or, at least suggested that to customer
2016-01-19T16:30:33 < dongs> well, then he cant be a lazy fuck and memmap that shit
2016-01-19T16:30:38 < zyp> I only did hardware for that project, not firmware
2016-01-19T16:30:41 < dongs> tho maybe qspi can be memmapped
2016-01-19T16:30:52 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-19T16:30:55 < mitrax> are you sure it was PA9?
2016-01-19T16:31:00 < zyp> go F46x or something
2016-01-19T16:31:01 < zyp> mitrax, no
2016-01-19T16:31:02 < dongs> it was one of USB
2016-01-19T16:31:04 < dongs> pins
2016-01-19T16:31:07 < zyp> yes
2016-01-19T16:31:15 < zyp> OTG_FS is one of PA9-PA12
2016-01-19T16:31:28 < mitrax> must be PA12 then
2016-01-19T16:31:32 < mitrax> cause it's used by the LCD
2016-01-19T16:31:35 < zyp> ah, it's PA12
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2016-01-19T16:39:09 < mitrax> ah :)
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2016-01-19T16:40:07 < mitrax> dongs: is there any way you would share your source? :p
2016-01-19T16:40:54 < mitrax> although i'm guessing you got them from one of your suppliers and that there's no way i could get them directly from it
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2016-01-19T16:41:39 < dongs> how many do you need? its not liek I mark my shit up or anything
2016-01-19T16:42:51 < mitrax> not many, between 50 and 100pcs
2016-01-19T16:43:14 < dongs> i can arrange that...
2016-01-19T16:43:22 < dongs> assuming rev3 of whatever you need exists
2016-01-19T16:43:26 < dongs> would need to check etc..
2016-01-19T16:45:15 < dongs> i think i got crap for zyp, gxti, and i think one or two other trolls in here
2016-01-19T16:45:24 < mitrax> good to know, that's very nice of you,  it's a STM32F429ZIT6. The problem is contrary to what the datasheet says the revision number doesn't seem to appear on the package
2016-01-19T16:45:47 < dongs> it does
2016-01-19T16:45:51 < dongs> its next to (e4) mark
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2016-01-19T16:46:13 < Laurenceb> which one is you dongs?  http://40.media.tumblr.com/30167b175ed60997ce507663674a2598/tumblr_n1qklcSBfI1qmmsq4o1_500.png
2016-01-19T16:46:17 < dongs> http://www.ett.co.th/prod2014/STM32F429_DISCOVERY/1.jpg
2016-01-19T16:46:19 < dongs> right there
2016-01-19T16:46:27 < dongs> rev Y
2016-01-19T16:46:28 < dongs> for that crap.
2016-01-19T16:46:33 < mitrax> oh
2016-01-19T16:46:52 < mitrax> indeed, ok i have revision Y, but revision 3 would be appear with 3 or a letter code?
2016-01-19T16:46:56 < dongs> 3
2016-01-19T16:47:13 < dongs> zyp might still have pics of his rev3 i sent him
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2016-01-19T16:50:11 < zyp> can dig up
2016-01-19T16:50:36 < dongs> there's a high chance they're in my imgur also
2016-01-19T16:51:28 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Wj3s45Y.jpg found
2016-01-19T16:52:14 < mitrax> ah thanks
2016-01-19T16:52:19 < kakimir> thats beauty
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2016-01-19T16:53:25 < mitrax> zyp: by the way, have you bounced into that bug yourself or did you read about it in an errata sheet when looking for something else?
2016-01-19T16:53:35 < dongs> zyp always reads errata
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2016-01-19T17:10:58 < Taxman> mitrax: Ask your FAE for Rev 3 Samples
2016-01-19T17:11:48 < kakimir> if UL after number value is unsigned long
2016-01-19T17:12:01 < kakimir> US must be unsigned short?
2016-01-19T17:12:29 < gxti> no it means the number is copyrighted by the US government
2016-01-19T17:12:45 < gxti> cease and desist from using it or you will be 'liberated'
2016-01-19T17:12:50 < dongs> funny level: kamimiretard
2016-01-19T17:12:54 < dongs> er, kakimiretardr.
2016-01-19T17:12:58 < dongs> fuck i giurve up
2016-01-19T17:12:59 < dongs> too stoned
2016-01-19T17:13:00 < dongs> bbl
2016-01-19T17:15:50 < kakimir> gxti: I knew it
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2016-01-19T17:16:50 < kakimir> for unsigned short I use... U?
2016-01-19T17:17:16 < mitrax> yes
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2016-01-19T17:17:30 < kakimir> interesting detail
2016-01-19T17:18:18 < mitrax> afaik the only possible suffixes are U UL ULL L LL
2016-01-19T17:18:43 < mitrax> (LL being for longlong i.e 64bits)
2016-01-19T17:18:57 < kakimir> F
2016-01-19T17:19:07 < mitrax> for integers
2016-01-19T17:19:07 < kakimir> is there D?
2016-01-19T17:19:14 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-19T17:19:24 < mitrax> double is .0
2016-01-19T17:19:30 < mitrax> err
2016-01-19T17:19:50 < mitrax> .f means float any other value with .0 or .something is considered as double precision
2016-01-19T17:20:31 < kakimir> like 0.1.0 ?
2016-01-19T17:20:44 < kakimir> 2 points?
2016-01-19T17:20:46 < zyp> mitrax, I caught in the errata sheet before assembling anything, and saw no reason to try it out myself
2016-01-19T17:20:57 < mitrax> no... 0.1 is double 0.1f is single precision floating point
2016-01-19T17:20:58 < gxti> kakimir: no, anything with a point is double by default
2016-01-19T17:21:04 < kakimir> okay
2016-01-19T17:21:11 < kakimir> didn't know that
2016-01-19T17:21:17 < kakimir> I assumed float was default
2016-01-19T17:21:25 < kakimir> good heads up
2016-01-19T17:21:51 < zyp> mitrax, you'd be wise to keep an eye of the errata sheet before spending a bunch of time and money on a design ;)
2016-01-19T17:22:17 < zyp> hmm
2016-01-19T17:22:31 < zyp> this reminds me I haven't read L0 errata before doing all this new shit :p
2016-01-19T17:25:16 < kakimir> how expensive floats are?
2016-01-19T17:25:33 < gxti> bout tree fiddy
2016-01-19T17:26:13 < kakimir> that much
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2016-01-19T17:30:50 < zyp> no major issues on L0, apart from a possible data corruption on SPI
2016-01-19T17:31:08 < zyp> nothing that would affect the hardware design though
2016-01-19T17:34:18 < kakimir> data corruption?
2016-01-19T17:35:00 < zyp> yeah, apparently if you use a low drive strength on SCK, data may get corrupted
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2016-01-19T17:36:51 < kakimir> that is why you dont
2016-01-19T17:37:35 < zyp> true
2016-01-19T17:37:50 < zyp> there were multiple firmware workarounds mentioned there, so it's not a design concern
2016-01-19T17:38:07 < zyp> only design workaround would be not to use L0 at all :)
2016-01-19T17:41:20 < kakimir> why would you have weak driver
2016-01-19T17:41:32 < kakimir> and what would weak driver be
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2016-01-19T17:42:19 < zyp> EMC
2016-01-19T17:43:10 < zyp> stronger drive strengths gives sharper edges which consists of higher frequencies, which means more emitted noise
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2016-01-19T17:51:18 < kakimir> design it with driver driving driver
2016-01-19T17:51:53 < kakimir> driver driving driving driver
2016-01-19T17:54:43 < jpa-> configurable drive strength on every pin is one of the nicests features of STM32
2016-01-19T17:55:05 < kakimir> stm32 seems to have all but kitchen sink
2016-01-19T17:55:23 < kakimir> configurations are above imagination
2016-01-19T17:56:28 < upgrdman_> is there a name for a complete spi, uh, "packet" ? for from when CS goes low until it goes high. i call it a "transaction" but not sure if there is a convention for this.
2016-01-19T17:56:29 < jpa-> my wishlist: embedded fpga; bigger internal ram
2016-01-19T17:56:39 < kakimir> I call it block
2016-01-19T17:56:41 < zyp> I would call it transaction as well
2016-01-19T17:56:41 < jpa-> upgrdman_: transaction is what i call it also
2016-01-19T17:56:47 < upgrdman_> ok. thanks.
2016-01-19T17:56:49 < jpa-> zyp is my alterego btw.
2016-01-19T17:56:59 < kakimir> as I understood that frame is one bit
2016-01-19T17:57:01 < upgrdman_> sweet
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2016-01-19T18:29:38 < zyp> I've been to tsukiji once
2016-01-19T18:29:55 < kakimir> do you eat dolphins dongs ?
2016-01-19T18:31:11 < zyp> I remember one of my pals talked to some random old japanese guy once
2016-01-19T18:31:27 < kakimir> http://www.quickmeme.com/img/a3/a3f2726847d99a445adfd3ba8ef2eb98dfc6c859ddb8c2c1c6c39bd32662ea2d.jpg
2016-01-19T18:31:40 < zyp> «where are you from?» «norway» «oh, then we're friends, you guys also eat whale!»
2016-01-19T18:32:05 < karlp> it's the time of the year for sour blubber in the shops again.
2016-01-19T18:32:23 < kakimir> *pulls out some "research" meat under the desk*
2016-01-19T18:32:32 < karlp> yay, feburary....
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2016-01-19T18:33:10 < kakimir> fermented shark
2016-01-19T18:33:17 < karlp> it's not rotten, it's fermented
2016-01-19T18:33:17 < kakimir> not rotten
2016-01-19T18:33:27 < BrainDamage> semantics
2016-01-19T18:33:55 < karlp> flyback: no, it has no kidney, so it's body is awash in waste ammonia
2016-01-19T18:34:12 < kakimir> so ammonia is the thing they want out?
2016-01-19T18:34:19 < karlp> yes, bad to eat that stuff.
2016-01-19T18:34:21 < zyp> «so I wanna eat this shark, I just have to dig it down and wait for the pee to rot out of it first»
2016-01-19T18:35:33 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-19T18:35:51 < zyp> I've worked on ammonia-based refrigeration systems as an electrician
2016-01-19T18:36:02 < zyp> lots of old systems are still operative
2016-01-19T18:36:10 < zyp> actually, I think I even worked on some new ones
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2016-01-19T18:37:28 < emeb> it's still pretty common in industrial situations.
2016-01-19T18:37:35 < emeb> not so much for residential.
2016-01-19T18:38:12 < kakimir> why do bakteria like ammonia?
2016-01-19T18:38:13 < emeb> I've seen some proposals for solar-powered ammonia cooling systems.
2016-01-19T18:38:28 < emeb> no electricity needed for the thermo part.
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2016-01-19T18:38:41 < kakimir> emeb: tell about it
2016-01-19T18:38:54 < emeb> yep
2016-01-19T18:39:03 < karlp> all fun and games til they get a leak
2016-01-19T18:39:05 < emeb> runs off heat.
2016-01-19T18:39:14 < emeb> yes
2016-01-19T18:39:14 < zyp> kakimir, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_cycle
2016-01-19T18:41:13 < kakimir> flyback: how many yaers it takes?
2016-01-19T18:41:17 < kakimir> years
2016-01-19T18:41:21 < kakimir> 10?
2016-01-19T18:41:36 < kakimir> so there is special fungus
2016-01-19T18:41:47 < kakimir> that likes to eat explosives
2016-01-19T18:41:51 < kakimir> ?
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2016-01-19T18:42:10 < kakimir> let's geoengineer mars!
2016-01-19T18:42:16 < kakimir> we have team together
2016-01-19T18:42:38 < kakimir> who is "we"?
2016-01-19T18:42:52 < kakimir> there is fungus that eats oils spills
2016-01-19T18:43:12 < kakimir> and does it with basically no cost
2016-01-19T18:43:38 < kakimir> compared to classical methods that are really expensive
2016-01-19T18:45:13 < kakimir> soil was cleaner than they thought?
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2016-01-19T18:46:14 < kakimir> why bacteria ain't wide deployed yet?
2016-01-19T18:47:34 < kakimir> in the future bacteria eats you silicon chip
2016-01-19T18:47:56 < kakimir> and whole computer
2016-01-19T18:48:32 < kakimir> well if you have million tonnes of soil
2016-01-19T18:49:17 < kakimir> I think conditioning bacteria growing at the place
2016-01-19T18:49:27 < kakimir> piling soil and watering it enough
2016-01-19T18:49:34 < kakimir> or something
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2016-01-19T18:49:57 < kakimir> would be better than trucks driving 5years straight that stuff to some chemical ovens
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2016-01-19T18:52:14 < kakimir> who are you talking about as "we"
2016-01-19T18:52:17 < kakimir> ?
2016-01-19T18:52:30 < kakimir> okay
2016-01-19T18:52:36 < kakimir> thats wide enought set
2016-01-19T18:52:55 < kakimir> I thought it was you and your buddies
2016-01-19T18:53:14 < kakimir> just doing this stuff like nothing
2016-01-19T18:53:29 < kakimir> still finn
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2016-01-19T18:56:22 < kakimir> like radiation and stuff?
2016-01-19T18:58:08 < kakimir> light from hell
2016-01-19T18:58:10 < kakimir> nice
2016-01-19T18:58:33 < kakimir> I know
2016-01-19T18:58:50 < kakimir> it fucks up carbon based stuff
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2016-01-19T19:00:14 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-19T19:00:32 < kakimir> and is hard to be effectivelly stopped?
2016-01-19T19:02:23 < kakimir> so you kill it with fire?
2016-01-19T19:02:38 < kakimir> only way to turn it into plasma
2016-01-19T19:03:04 < kakimir> those super resilient stuffs
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2016-01-19T19:14:20 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=356_1453219071
2016-01-19T19:16:44 < kakimir> thats fun
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2016-01-19T19:19:04 < kakimir> doesn't some deep monsters eat whales that eat sharks
2016-01-19T19:19:18 < kakimir> chutlu and co.
2016-01-19T19:20:14 < kakimir> mammal creativity
2016-01-19T19:22:15 < kakimir> why only liver?
2016-01-19T19:23:13 < kakimir> "you have something inside we need. sorry"
2016-01-19T19:23:40 < kakimir> *tears shark into pieces and takes liver*
2016-01-19T19:34:22 < karlp> woopity woopity: "This gives presumption of compliance for the protection requirements given in annex 1 of
2016-01-19T19:34:25 < karlp> the EMC directive 2004/108/EEC and the unit can be CE-marked according to that directive."
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2016-01-19T20:34:08 < Steffanx> This item has been deleted by submitter ... Laurenceb?
2016-01-19T20:36:31 < Laurenceb> snackbaring chicken
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2016-01-19T20:52:05 < kakimir> there seems to be more of those
2016-01-19T20:52:10 < kakimir> in youtube
2016-01-19T20:52:30 < kakimir> it funny as people usually start chanting too
2016-01-19T20:53:24 < kakimir> can I use redlib with gnu?
2016-01-19T20:53:33 < kakimir> or does it like.. not like it?
2016-01-19T20:54:36 < kakimir> I think I'm using it but it's not in project tree so it causes ide code checker to flag errors
2016-01-19T21:02:54 < kakimir> so should I add redlib to workspace or.. not
2016-01-19T21:03:18 < kakimir> I think it compiles without having it in workspace
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2016-01-19T21:05:40 < Steffanx> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
2016-01-19T21:06:31 < kakimir> I'm not debugging
2016-01-19T21:06:47 < kakimir> just do not still understand fully linkers and shiet
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2016-01-19T21:50:55 < KreAture_Zzz> Steffanx my office is full of those ducks, they walk about and call themselves managers
2016-01-19T21:51:36 < Steffanx> Im glad the manager at my office also has a pretty technical background.
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2016-01-19T22:28:59 < MightyPork> hi it's me again, still debugging ;)  got question with interrupts. If I set high prio to one IRQ, can it "take over" while another IRQ is running, and then give control back?
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2016-01-19T22:48:36 < PaulFertser> MightyPork: preemption works like that, yes.
2016-01-19T22:48:51 < PaulFertser> MightyPork: unless both priorities are in the same "subpriority group".
2016-01-19T22:49:06 < MightyPork> I wont be using sub-priorities, so thats ok
2016-01-19T22:49:54 < MightyPork> but if two with the same prio happen together, the later preempts, or waits?
2016-01-19T22:50:17 < PaulFertser> MightyPork: the control won't be necessary given back right away, in case some other interrupt (with higher than the first prio) becomes pending, it'll get serviced before giving back the control.
2016-01-19T22:50:31 < PaulFertser> MightyPork: same prio -> waits.
2016-01-19T22:50:37 < MightyPork> ok cool
2016-01-19T22:50:46 < MightyPork> just trying to make some mental image of whats going on in the nvic
2016-01-19T22:50:48 < PaulFertser> MightyPork: if they happen right at the same time, whatever is first in the table wins.
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2016-01-19T23:27:09 < kakimir> so there is no measures against overclocking mcus?
2016-01-19T23:28:39 < kakimir> propably pll locking will fail at some point
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2016-01-19T23:58:17 < bvernoux> kakimir, you can overclock STM32F4 up to 210MHz IIRC
2016-01-19T23:59:15 < bvernoux> in fact even up to 250MHz ;)
2016-01-19T23:59:22 < bvernoux> http://stm32f4-discovery.com/2014/11/overclock-stm32f4-device-up-to-250mhz/
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2016-01-20T02:49:04 < upgrdman> Sync, holy shit, no kidding. those caps are a beast! they don't even get warm :) thanks for the advise.
2016-01-20T02:49:06 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/induction_heater_revF.jpg
2016-01-20T02:55:23 < kakimir> yo bubba
2016-01-20T02:55:40 < kakimir> nice cap
2016-01-20T02:56:19 < kakimir> how good elecric load that is in terms of size?
2016-01-20T02:56:46 < kakimir> if I need the most wattage in the least size and weight
2016-01-20T02:57:12 < kakimir> and should be weatherproof
2016-01-20T02:58:44 < kakimir> and practically no wear
2016-01-20T03:01:13 < kakimir> a pile of hot wire is basically quite efficient
2016-01-20T03:01:47 < kakimir> but does't like elements and wears eventually
2016-01-20T03:03:00 < upgrdman> kakimir, its a 2uF 1500V cap.
2016-01-20T03:03:14 < upgrdman> designed for high current pulsed loads
2016-01-20T03:03:48 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE_TWcbT_Ak
2016-01-20T03:03:52 < upgrdman> err 1200V
2016-01-20T03:03:52 < kakimir> nice tool
2016-01-20T03:04:10 < kakimir> what part has that much voltage?
2016-01-20T03:04:35 < upgrdman> fuck if i know
2016-01-20T03:04:39 < upgrdman> im not going >32V
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2016-01-20T03:05:01 < kakimir> why the hell you are using totally wrong cap?
2016-01-20T03:05:37 < BrainDamage> now you know how we feel when we see your vias
2016-01-20T03:05:42 < upgrdman> because it was the cheapest i could fine that can handle FUCK TONS of ripple current
2016-01-20T03:05:54 < BrainDamage> it's not wrong, it's just overkill
2016-01-20T03:05:59 < kakimir> it was cheapest?
2016-01-20T03:06:10 < kakimir> hard to believe
2016-01-20T03:06:47 < kakimir> I think I could use welding inverter as a source for induction head
2016-01-20T03:06:52 < upgrdman> kakimir, find me a non-polarized capacitor that can handle >30A ripple current for <$30
2016-01-20T03:07:18 < upgrdman> in the range of 2 - 8 uF
2016-01-20T03:07:33 < BrainDamage> btw, out of curiosity, have you tried to slide an highly polished reflective and thin Al pipe in the coil? it has to be mechanically contacting the cooling coil
2016-01-20T03:07:44 < upgrdman> lol
2016-01-20T03:07:50 < BrainDamage> it'll reflect a decent part of the ir back to the center
2016-01-20T03:08:20 < upgrdman> if the al pipe is touching the coil it'll short out the coil
2016-01-20T03:08:22 < BrainDamage> use mica sheets or equivalent to insulate the coil
2016-01-20T03:08:38 < upgrdman> oh
2016-01-20T03:09:03 < BrainDamage> or diamond :J
2016-01-20T03:09:18 < upgrdman> diamond is super reflective for IR?
2016-01-20T03:09:37 < BrainDamage> no, diamond is a strong electrical insulator but a great thermal conductor
2016-01-20T03:09:41 < BrainDamage> dem phonons
2016-01-20T03:10:01 < BrainDamage> so can use to thermally connect stuff yet keep electrically insulated
2016-01-20T03:10:54 < BrainDamage> careful not to make the al tube too thick, the induction should be minimal, buut, being thin won't hurt
2016-01-20T03:11:10 < BrainDamage> you can also segment it along the radius to reduce the cirtuitation size
2016-01-20T03:11:23 < BrainDamage> circuitation*
2016-01-20T03:11:29 < upgrdman> ya ive already melted al strips with it
2016-01-20T03:11:49 < BrainDamage> what freq you run it at? 10MHz?
2016-01-20T03:12:09 < upgrdman> 60-100 kHz
2016-01-20T03:12:13 < upgrdman> not MHz
2016-01-20T03:12:35 < upgrdman> with this new cap, 1
2016-01-20T03:12:39 < upgrdman> with this new cap, 130kHz
2016-01-20T03:15:19 < aandrew> wtf: http://kickfailure.com/2016/01/19/dice-of-failure/
2016-01-20T03:28:13 < kakimir> upgrdman: not in price range but look at this beef http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/40/sm01-06-17173.pdf
2016-01-20T03:29:46 < upgrdman> kakimir, i actually have some like those. not those exact ones, but some from AVX that are like double stacked and $10 each
2016-01-20T03:30:20 < kakimir> cant handle 30amp?
2016-01-20T03:30:34 < upgrdman> no
2016-01-20T03:30:45 < upgrdman> they start to boil the water when submerged in water
2016-01-20T03:31:29 < kakimir> so cannot dissapate enough energy
2016-01-20T03:31:41 < kakimir> or create too muh heat
2016-01-20T03:32:16 < upgrdman> and here's a different MLCC that burned:  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/burned_mlcc_capacitor_taiyo_yuden_UMK325C7106MM-T_50V_10uF.jpg
2016-01-20T03:36:37 < kakimir> well that one was plain stupid wasnt it
2016-01-20T03:36:44 < upgrdman> :)
2016-01-20T03:37:39 < kakimir> actually making it bigger voltage one makes sense
2016-01-20T03:37:50 < kakimir> because you need size
2016-01-20T03:37:54 < kakimir> lot of area
2016-01-20T03:41:29 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/AVX/SM055C125KAN120/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMt3KoXD5rJ2Nx7xxSotBl2DNGIyAU5jvzw%3d
2016-01-20T03:41:58 < kakimir> looks like a beast
2016-01-20T03:42:04 < kakimir> what they use these for?
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2016-01-20T03:48:06 < upgrdman> got a big ass cap for my induction heater. super awesome.
2016-01-20T03:48:15 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/induction_heater_revF.jpg
2016-01-20T03:48:34 < upgrdman> sure, why not
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2016-01-20T03:51:28 < ReadError> huh
2016-01-20T04:06:37 < upgrdman> well i've been cramming my shit into a small fpga
2016-01-20T04:08:31 < dongs> mitrax: 11.98/ea, can get pix to make sure its rev3.
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2016-01-20T04:22:47 < upgrdman> self trolling yourself again
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2016-01-20T04:24:13 < dongs> mitrax: rev3 confirmed
2016-01-20T04:25:07 < dongs> mitrax: http://i.imgur.com/6ddOLsJ.png
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2016-01-20T04:35:12 < dongs> time to rollback
2016-01-20T04:35:43 < dongs> ?!
2016-01-20T04:35:47 < dongs> roll back that fucking snapshot
2016-01-20T04:35:48 < dongs> you took
2016-01-20T04:35:56 < dongs> and dont bother updating that shit
2016-01-20T04:35:57 < dongs> who cares
2016-01-20T04:36:02 < dongs> its not like its on internet
2016-01-20T04:36:06 < dongs> or if any of those updates even matter
2016-01-20T04:36:14 < dongs> its just lunix toreballs circlejerking
2016-01-20T04:36:25 < dongs> "HEY LETS CHANGE KERNEL DRIVER API AGAIN IN THIS RELEASE"
2016-01-20T04:36:35 < dongs> "LETS REWRITE THIS DRIVER COMPLETELY FOR NO REASON"
2016-01-20T04:43:28 < Rob235> how do you integrate over time? Say something updates 4 times in the time it takes another thing to update once, can you just have a counter that counts updates of the first one and an array of the values at those counts and then array[0] / count + array[1] / count + ........... is there a better way without storing all the values in an array?
2016-01-20T04:45:42 < Rob235> i guess thats the same as an average isn't it heh
2016-01-20T04:45:52 < Rob235> so I would just need a sum
2016-01-20T04:45:54 < Rob235> and count
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2016-01-20T05:01:09 < kakimir> that was interesting movie
2016-01-20T05:03:16 < kakimir> outlander
2016-01-20T05:05:43 < dongs> sure, knowing C is enough to understand any sane language
2016-01-20T05:06:14 < dongs> forget write-only shit like python/ruby tho
2016-01-20T05:06:18 < dongs> but java is ok
2016-01-20T05:06:29 < kakimir> is python a sane language?
2016-01-20T05:06:36 < Rob235> prolog
2016-01-20T05:06:36 < dongs> no
2016-01-20T05:06:43 < dongs> its insane write-only garbage
2016-01-20T05:06:51 < kakimir> when you read python
2016-01-20T05:06:55 < dongs> you cant
2016-01-20T05:07:00 < dongs> and nobody does
2016-01-20T05:07:06 < kakimir> you dont have a clue what happens
2016-01-20T05:07:47 < kakimir> all those monads and thing that actually change the language
2016-01-20T05:09:07 < kakimir> I dont remember but whole model of code evaluation stays in dark
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2016-01-20T05:11:26 < kakimir> good thing about python is that you dont need to know how to write code
2016-01-20T05:11:30 < kakimir> just write it
2016-01-20T05:11:55 < dongs> you pretty much nailed it.
2016-01-20T05:12:03 < dongs> and the end result is garbage nobody wants to see or use.
2016-01-20T05:12:07 < kakimir> or you can be totally stoned too
2016-01-20T05:13:06 < ReadError> stoned?
2016-01-20T05:13:13 < ReadError> good luck w/ all the indentation
2016-01-20T05:14:20 < kakimir> oh there was that
2016-01-20T05:15:42 < kakimir> how to get cool inspirations: google image search: science fiction %random_word%
2016-01-20T05:35:40 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/yR0SxaT.png cool schematic bro
2016-01-20T05:36:24 < dongs> that's the most pro way i've seen to get 5V out of wall socket
2016-01-20T05:43:38 < kakimir> youtube says eevblog is drama
2016-01-20T05:44:03 < kakimir> recommend field
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2016-01-20T05:53:13 < dongs> eevblag is sellout
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2016-01-20T05:59:15 < dongs> i only have facts
2016-01-20T06:04:40 < upgrdman> what's mre?
2016-01-20T06:05:13 < dongs> pretty sure he just assburgered typing "me"
2016-01-20T06:05:19 < upgrdman> o
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2016-01-20T06:51:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/CgWoGmY.jpg
2016-01-20T06:51:45 < dongs> lol @ twitter
2016-01-20T06:51:48 < dongs> on the fucking podium
2016-01-20T06:52:01 < dongs> what shitshow has america turned into
2016-01-20T06:52:14 < dongs> donno
2016-01-20T06:52:20 < dongs> some afternoon news garbage feed
2016-01-20T06:52:36 < dongs> why is there a fucking t witter link
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2016-01-20T09:25:27 < upgrdman> lol. guy made a coil gun... with an fpga. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr5lHY5vrO4
2016-01-20T09:32:57 < PeterM> when a mummy soldering iron and a daddy soldering iron love each other very very much http://imgur.com/tCSqbeX
2016-01-20T09:34:58 < upgrdman> those look more like dental picks than soldering irons
2016-01-20T09:35:28 < zyp> JBC :D
2016-01-20T09:36:05 < zyp> and not even the smallest ones
2016-01-20T09:37:34 < PeterM> zyp yep
2016-01-20T09:38:48 < PeterM> upgrdman, bent/curved soldeirng iron tip master race
2016-01-20T09:39:00 < upgrdman> i thought jbc was supposed to be a premium brand? those irons look like cheap china trash. mold flashing, weird cock-ring looking thing at the end of the handle, etc.
2016-01-20T09:39:23 < PeterM> tbh, the metcal advanced handpeices feel much better
2016-01-20T09:40:24 < upgrdman> my $60 hakko 888 looks nicer than those irons :/
2016-01-20T09:41:05 < zyp> I like JBC
2016-01-20T09:41:16 < zyp> and who the fuck cares how it looks
2016-01-20T09:41:26 < upgrdman> :) ok
2016-01-20T09:41:31 < jpa-> what matters is how it feels when you burn your finger!
2016-01-20T09:41:44 < zyp> jpa- knows what's up
2016-01-20T09:44:35 < PeterM> yeah, i dont care about looks, the metcal handpeices feel much better though, the cables are mroe flexible (infact, super flexy consideirng its coax), but a diy portable jbc iron is a lot more efficient because it is a resistive heater
2016-01-20T09:47:31 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-01-20T09:48:09 < dongs> upgrdman: why does it need fpga
2016-01-20T09:48:11 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/7PX7Q3z
2016-01-20T09:48:22 < upgrdman> dongs, it doesn't. hence "lol".
2016-01-20T09:48:52 < upgrdman> i guess he was too gay to use a couple discrete transistors, so he make it way more complex instead.
2016-01-20T09:48:58 < PeterM> handpeice to tip distance on standard jbc handpeice is worse than metcal, but precision jbc tip is better
2016-01-20T09:49:19 < PeterM> fukken 9v/pp3\ batts wtf
2016-01-20T09:51:15 < dongs> shit almost forgot to turn off my metcal. thankfully digikey stand saved me
2016-01-20T09:51:25 < zyp> PeterM, have you tried the JBC nano stuff? they're awesome
2016-01-20T09:52:26 < PeterM> zyp nope, how does that compare to c210/t210?
2016-01-20T09:53:41 < zyp> it's smaller
2016-01-20T09:53:49 < PeterM> *rolls eyes*
2016-01-20T09:54:00 < zyp> :p
2016-01-20T09:54:11 < dongs> what's proing, pros
2016-01-20T09:54:21 < PeterM> c210 tips are small enough, the only thing that could be improved is tip-grip, but even then thats fine
2016-01-20T09:54:28 < dongs> zyps pcbs arrived but parts dont look like they'll be here thursday
2016-01-20T09:54:33 < dongs> so looking more like weekend for assembly
2016-01-20T09:54:37 < zyp> okay
2016-01-20T09:55:22 < PeterM> is there any real purpose for hot-tweezers? i've used both the standard jbc tweezers and the metcal ones and they are both like 1/10 on the usefulness scale
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2016-01-20T09:56:03 < jpa-> seems useful for SMD part removal but not much else?
2016-01-20T09:56:05 < zyp> I've mostly used them to strip wires
2016-01-20T09:56:21 < zyp> also convenient to move 0R jumpers
2016-01-20T09:56:47 < jpa-> yeah, good for some proto work like swapping antenna tuning parts or moving jumpers
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2016-01-20T10:23:15 < mitrax> do i need pull-ups on the SDIO lines with an STM32F4 or are the internal pull-ups enough? i was told external pull-ups weren't necessary but now i see clive1 is recommending 47K external pull-ups in the ST forums
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2016-01-20T10:29:48 < PeterM> mitrax, you dont need them, but the internal pullups are weak as shit so i'd put them
2016-01-20T10:30:55 < jpa-> i think it was mentioned on this channel that the pull-ups are needed and the value is important also, but the SDIO spec being paywalled it is hard to be sure
2016-01-20T10:31:23 < jpa-> i would probably find some STM32 nucleo or discovery board that happens to have SDIO and copy that
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2016-01-20T10:34:12 < jpa-> STM32F7 discovery uses 47kohm pullups on everything except CLK
2016-01-20T10:37:20 < mitrax> PeterM/jpa-: alright, thanks a lot
2016-01-20T10:39:27 < dongs> 11:08 < dongs> mitrax: 11.98/ea, can get pix to make sure its rev3.
2016-01-20T10:39:27 < dongs> 11:24 < dongs> mitrax: rev3 confirmed
2016-01-20T10:39:27 < dongs> 11:25 < dongs> mitrax: http://i.imgur.com/6ddOLsJ.png
2016-01-20T10:40:11 < mitrax> oh i didn't see that, very nice
2016-01-20T10:40:24 < mitrax> dongs: damn that was fast :)
2016-01-20T10:40:35 < dongs> i dont fuck around
2016-01-20T10:42:05 < mitrax> dongs: i see :) how much would they be for say 50pcs?
2016-01-20T10:42:19 < dongs> that price * 50 + like < 20bux for shipping
2016-01-20T10:43:23 < mitrax> oops didn't notice the price sorry, $11.98 that's neat
2016-01-20T10:47:06 < dongs> looks like ~digikey 1k price
2016-01-20T10:49:12 < dongs> i fucking lost a part i need for assembly today
2016-01-20T10:49:17 < dongs> been looking for over half a nhour
2016-01-20T10:49:18 < dongs> fuck
2016-01-20T10:49:55 < mitrax> sucks ...
2016-01-20T10:50:01 < mitrax> i take it it's super small?
2016-01-20T10:53:20 < PeterM> probably not, big shit is easy to lose too - just put it down somewhere and forget where you put it, itf its not in your normal roaming places it may as well be in fuckin mongolia
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2016-01-20T10:57:54 < dongs> fucking rage
2016-01-20T10:58:05 < dongs> its the one that i had kicking around my desk for a while too
2016-01-20T11:33:27 < dongs> oh hmmmm
2016-01-20T11:34:34 < dongs> even if I do find them i have less than I thought
2016-01-20T11:38:14 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/181266008606 lol
2016-01-20T11:39:26 < mitrax> ahaha
2016-01-20T11:39:27 < karlp> upgrdman: nice to see how ofar you've come since: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/induction_heater_revA.jpg
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2016-01-20T11:43:29 < mitrax> dongs: for the rev3 chips, what payment method would you prefer?
2016-01-20T11:43:47 < dongs> mitrax: shitpal works, unless you wanna do something dumb like real money
2016-01-20T11:44:05 < mitrax> dongs: what did zyp use? shitpal?
2016-01-20T11:44:08 < dongs> sure
2016-01-20T11:44:46 < dongs> and once he just brought me cash
2016-01-20T11:44:52 < dongs> and stopped by my dump
2016-01-20T11:45:02 < mitrax> oh he went to japan?
2016-01-20T11:45:14 < dongs> more than once
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2016-01-20T11:46:28 < dongs> you can pay with real money if you really want to, but y ou'll be TT"ing it to china etc.
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2016-01-20T11:48:52 < mitrax> no paypal is fine, some people want WesternUnion but i don't know which one has the lowest fee
2016-01-20T11:49:58 < dongs> dhl ship looks like 17$
2016-01-20T11:50:09 < mitrax> to france? :)
2016-01-20T11:50:11 < dongs> shitpal fee is 3.9% cuz its < 750$ otherwise it would be like 0.5%
2016-01-20T11:50:12 < dongs> yes
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2016-01-20T11:52:33 < dongs> if you msg me your email or something I can have an invoice made for you to look at and consider.
2016-01-20T11:52:48 < mitrax> sure
2016-01-20T11:52:52 < crt> hi all
2016-01-20T11:53:50 < dongs> noted, expect reply soon
2016-01-20T11:54:10 < mitrax> neat
2016-01-20T11:54:52 < zyp> fucking i2c bullshit
2016-01-20T11:54:59 < dongs> fucking missing parts bullshit
2016-01-20T11:55:01 < dongs> whats i2c doing now
2016-01-20T11:55:58 < zyp> my i2c state machine somehow goes out of whack, making read() return without reading, which means buffer still contain previous message, which causes all sorts of bullshit in app state machine
2016-01-20T11:58:14 < zyp> should have just written this shit blocking in the first place
2016-01-20T11:58:42 < dongs> definitely
2016-01-20T11:58:45 < dongs> duno why you even bothered
2016-01-20T11:58:54 < dongs> use CUBEMX and CPAL
2016-01-20T11:59:01 < dongs> CPAL is fucking amazing
2016-01-20T11:59:05 < dongs> its like 50k .c file
2016-01-20T11:59:06 < zyp> this isn't stm32
2016-01-20T11:59:06 < dongs> to do i2c
2016-01-20T11:59:10 < zyp> workshit
2016-01-20T11:59:22 < dongs> and it uses cube hal
2016-01-20T11:59:28 < dongs> so you have like 4 levels of abstraction
2016-01-20T11:59:34 < crt> :/
2016-01-20T11:59:35 < dongs> but I think it can do I2C DMA
2016-01-20T11:59:39 < dongs> for MAX SPEED
2016-01-20T11:59:44 < dongs> where DMA setup takes longer than the transaction
2016-01-20T11:59:54 < zyp> haha
2016-01-20T12:00:07 < zyp> but ugh
2016-01-20T12:01:12 < dongs> mitrax: you'vegotmail
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2016-01-20T12:04:36 < mitrax> perfect
2016-01-20T12:07:58 < zyp> hmm, this protocol is awful as well
2016-01-20T12:08:13 < zyp> the length byte is encoded as part of the message
2016-01-20T12:08:14 < mitrax> dongs: i'll forward it to my friend who's in charge of buying stuff and get back to you
2016-01-20T12:08:23 < dongs> sounds good
2016-01-20T12:08:25 < zyp> if it's 0, it's the last message in the message
2016-01-20T12:08:36 < zyp> last byte, I mean
2016-01-20T12:08:42 < crt> yeah fuck i2c
2016-01-20T12:08:50 < dongs> err wat
2016-01-20T12:08:58 < dongs> message of length 0?
2016-01-20T12:09:04 < dongs> so just write to address and ... ?
2016-01-20T12:09:05 < dongs> stop?
2016-01-20T12:09:08 < zyp> no
2016-01-20T12:09:19 < zyp> it's cmd, arg_len, args..
2016-01-20T12:09:29 < dongs> o rite
2016-01-20T12:09:31 < zyp> if arg_len is 0, there's no args, so it's the last byte
2016-01-20T12:09:35 < dongs> right
2016-01-20T12:09:42 < dongs> wel, not too awful
2016-01-20T12:09:48 < zyp> but I can't know that until reading it
2016-01-20T12:10:42 < dongs> you cant know i2c length until reading it al lanyway
2016-01-20T12:11:08 < crt> my CRT television uses I2C........... .. ..
2016-01-20T12:11:10 < zyp> I need to know len so I can set NAK bit before last read
2016-01-20T12:11:23 < dongs> zyp, oh lol
2016-01-20T12:11:28 < dongs> nice
2016-01-20T12:11:39 < dongs> http://halfcoin.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-3.html
2016-01-20T12:21:57 < zyp> hmm, looks like always reading an extra byte and NAKing that works
2016-01-20T12:22:08 < zyp> at least, LA trace looks much saner now
2016-01-20T12:22:26 < zyp> and other problem seems to be I started writing before STOP after reading were done
2016-01-20T12:23:44 < dongs> what garbage do you do for work
2016-01-20T12:23:45 < dongs> PIC32MZ?
2016-01-20T12:24:34 < crt> that's zano
2016-01-20T12:24:40 < zyp> no, right now I'm adding features to some legacy AVR stuff :p
2016-01-20T12:24:49 < dongs> sorryto hear that
2016-01-20T12:24:55 < zyp> haha
2016-01-20T12:24:56 < dongs> i bet debugging is spectacular
2016-01-20T12:25:09 < crt> the f**king crooks
2016-01-20T12:25:10 < zyp> to be honest, AVR I2C periph is maybe the least shitty I2C periph I've worked with
2016-01-20T12:25:20 < zyp> dongs, haha, yes
2016-01-20T12:25:46 < zyp> I've got an avrice, but I couldn't get gdb to work properly with it, so I'm just using it as a dumb flasher
2016-01-20T12:26:05 < zyp> I don't really need breakpoints and stepping anyway
2016-01-20T12:28:03 < dongs> depdnging which garbage avr, you might not even be able to do that anyway
2016-01-20T12:28:18 < zyp> 1280
2016-01-20T12:28:23 < zyp> should be able to
2016-01-20T12:28:28 < dongs> does it have actual jtag shit connected?
2016-01-20T12:28:34 < dongs> or just spi
2016-01-20T12:28:35 < zyp> yes, that's what the avrice is
2016-01-20T12:28:37 < dongs> right
2016-01-20T12:29:47 < dongs> i think the one time i hooked up  jtag to 64pin avr and used avr dragon to try and debug it, it was so awfully slow
2016-01-20T12:30:07 < dongs> this was with like avrstudio5 or something, the new vstudio based shit
2016-01-20T12:30:47 < dongs> useless shit everywhere
2016-01-20T12:33:15 < karlp> I used the dragon on a smaller debugwire avr once, and yeah, it sort of sometimes worked a bit, but it was slow and terrible
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2016-01-20T12:34:50 < dongs> atmel site quoted something like "30 seconds to flash 256k"
2016-01-20T12:34:55 < dongs> fuck. right. off.
2016-01-20T12:38:52 < zyp> haha
2016-01-20T12:41:05 < zyp> fuck yeah, everything started behaving sanely after I added that dummy read
2016-01-20T12:44:14 < Sync> upgrdman: :)
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2016-01-20T13:36:54 < dongs> fucking found
2016-01-20T13:36:55 < dongs> yay
2016-01-20T13:37:10 < mitrax> where was it? :)
2016-01-20T13:37:18 < dongs> ive looked over it several tiems
2016-01-20T13:37:28 < dongs> one of the project-specific boxes
2016-01-20T13:37:31 < dongs> where i THOUGHT it would be
2016-01-20T13:37:40 < dongs> but until  recently i didnt know how many i was looking for
2016-01-20T13:37:45 < dongs> so I thought it would be a bigger bag
2016-01-20T13:37:51 < dongs> pfft
2016-01-20T13:38:05 < mitrax> ahaha
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2016-01-20T13:39:28 < dongs> zyp, im gonna need those .csv's for dicknplace in metric btw
2016-01-20T13:39:33 < dongs> not in a rush but before weekend
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2016-01-20T13:45:21 < dongs> and as actual CSV's instead of that aids format
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2016-01-20T14:15:53 < zyp> ah, right
2016-01-20T14:16:01 < zyp> I'll fix when I get home
2016-01-20T14:19:35 < dongs> yep
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2016-01-20T14:41:30 < dongs> > I only say this because I have 7gbs of Internet a month so can I completely install this without downloading anything?
2016-01-20T14:41:33 < dongs> loll
2016-01-20T14:42:08 < Sync> wat
2016-01-20T14:42:36 < dongs> i can only guess some mobile internet faggotry
2016-01-20T14:42:49 < dongs> or else srsly turdworld  location
2016-01-20T14:43:29 < zyp> australia
2016-01-20T14:47:40 < karlp> heh, smallest available adsl here is still only 5gig. fucking garbage
2016-01-20T14:48:04 < zyp> sounds fun
2016-01-20T14:48:06 < karlp> 5gig for ~4k, 1.5tb for ~12k.
2016-01-20T14:48:07 < ReadError> thats only a few hours of cat videos on youtube
2016-01-20T14:48:48 < karlp> the tagline under the 15gig package is "you can forget abotu yourself on the internet a few times"
2016-01-20T14:48:51 < karlp> fucking yay
2016-01-20T14:49:00 < mitrax> ahahah
2016-01-20T14:49:26 < karlp> 1.5tb is "if you need this, you know why"
2016-01-20T14:49:29 < zyp> limits like that would be fun here, I've got 150Mb/s now, so 5GB wouldn't last five minutes
2016-01-20T14:50:07 < BrainDamage> here mobile links got upgraded to 300Mbps, but data caps are still on the 2-4 GB range
2016-01-20T14:50:08 < mitrax> karlp: what currency was that?
2016-01-20T14:51:05 < BrainDamage> so either their infrastructure is shit, or they are gaping dickholes
2016-01-20T14:52:20 < ReadError> i think caps are pretty common in canada too
2016-01-20T14:56:29 < jpa-> yeah, because it's so cold
2016-01-20T14:57:52 < karlp> hehe, 5gig is the minimum, but if you go over, it gives you another 100gig.  that's the minimum step in "extra data"
2016-01-20T14:58:12 < karlp> mitrax: that was icelandic krona, just think of it relatively, 3 times as much for 5gig vs 1.5tb...
2016-01-20T14:59:14 < jpa-> couple of years ago you could still buy mobile data at 4 EUR/MB here if you really wanted :)
2016-01-20T15:23:16 < dongs> karlp: 12k what, kroner or something?
2016-01-20T15:23:37 < dongs> whatever the hell they use iniceland
2016-01-20T15:24:01 < dongs> $90, holy shit
2016-01-20T15:24:01 < karlp> yeah, krona
2016-01-20T15:24:40 < karlp> I wasn't picking the best or the nicest, I just went to the oldest incumbent to see how shitty and small a plan they offered wsa.
2016-01-20T15:25:19 < dongs> thats almost how much 5gig of LTE internets would cost here
2016-01-20T15:25:32 < dongs> but you coulds till use it after 5gb, it would just be slow
2016-01-20T15:25:52 < dongs> there you probly pay for overage?
2016-01-20T15:26:00 < dongs> overusage? wahtever the fuck
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2016-01-20T15:27:25 < karlp> 90$ was for 1.5tb... not 5gig...
2016-01-20T15:27:47 < dongs> ya
2016-01-20T15:27:54 < karlp> so um, anyone here had any issues with gdb >= 7.8 not interrupting?
2016-01-20T15:28:02 < dongs> i was looking at 5gb price
2016-01-20T15:28:03 < dongs> nope
2016-01-20T15:28:07 < dongs> keil interrupts just fine :)
2016-01-20T15:28:23 < karlp> netbeans does too, but gdb at the CLI isn't
2016-01-20T15:28:39 < karlp> no fucking clue why,
2016-01-20T15:28:48 < karlp> even though netbeans only drives gdb in the background
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2016-01-20T15:43:38 < dongs> k time to quickly run dicknplace
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2016-01-20T16:31:21 < dongs> FUCK IMGUR; IMGUR SUX; IMGUR IS DYING; IMGUR IS DEAD TO ME; IMGUR HIT WTC
2016-01-20T16:31:42 < zyp> heh
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2016-01-20T16:31:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/2TrZkIG.jpg
2016-01-20T16:32:00 < dongs> todays clonejob
2016-01-20T16:32:22 < zyp> right board looks useful
2016-01-20T16:32:25 < dongs> ya
2016-01-20T16:32:28 < dongs> its for enclosure making
2016-01-20T16:32:36 < dongs> i ran out of all the other stuff
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2016-01-20T16:33:43 < kc2uez> what is that board?
2016-01-20T16:33:53 < zyp> DP repeater
2016-01-20T16:34:03 < dongs> yeah. for fixing my dell monitor failures
2016-01-20T16:34:32 < dongs> i think my real problem now is i dont have that many minidp cables
2016-01-20T16:34:48 < zyp> I need to figure out something similar for my TV
2016-01-20T16:35:08 < dongs> what is it not doing?
2016-01-20T16:35:36 < zyp> it's making the computer go "hey, monitor setup changed" all the time
2016-01-20T16:35:47 < dongs> o
2016-01-20T16:36:22 < kc2uez> what software did you used to do the layout?
2016-01-20T16:36:34 < zyp> I had computer in hdmi1 and chromecast in hdmi2 before, and it was doing a lot of bullshit when set to hdmi2
2016-01-20T16:37:05 < zyp> so I bought this shitty switcher with audio extractor (so I get sound from chromecast to speakers as well)
2016-01-20T16:37:17 < zyp> and switching channels on switcher is still signalling to computer
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2016-01-20T16:37:48 < kakimir> dongs: hoe much chinese pay you for those?
2016-01-20T16:38:21 < dongs> wot
2016-01-20T16:38:25 < dongs> kc2uez: altium
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2016-01-20T16:39:25 < kakimir> what are those and do you have table made of carbon fibre?
2016-01-20T16:39:44 < kc2uez> ok, thanks. I like the differential signals with the delays
2016-01-20T16:40:04 < kc2uez> for the signal delay match
2016-01-20T16:40:14 < dongs> yeah.
2016-01-20T16:40:23 < dongs> the 4th lane is on t he bottom
2016-01-20T16:40:27 < dongs> so the other 3 need to be longer.
2016-01-20T16:42:08 < mitrax> what is the usb / mcu for?
2016-01-20T16:42:23 < dongs> blinking leds
2016-01-20T16:42:40 < kakimir> that is innovative
2016-01-20T16:43:01 < mitrax> c'mon seriously!
2016-01-20T16:43:12 < Sync> oh the rage
2016-01-20T16:43:18 < Sync> adc seems to be running but the dma is not
2016-01-20T16:43:22 < dongs> mitrax: dead srs
2016-01-20T16:43:27 < dongs> what else would it be t ehre for?
2016-01-20T16:43:36 < dongs> configuring the repeaters, blinking leds
2016-01-20T16:43:52 < kc2uez> i noticed the i2c bus, maybe register toggleling on the mystery ICs
2016-01-20T16:43:54 < mitrax> oh ok, didn't realize the repeaters had to be configured
2016-01-20T16:45:33 < dongs> and i want to be able to do various things with DPCD registers
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2016-01-20T16:48:53 < karlp> so, what's the button for then?
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2016-01-20T16:49:02 < karlp> bootloader mode?
2016-01-20T16:49:03 < dongs> usb dfu
2016-01-20T16:49:07 < dongs> no, just a gpio
2016-01-20T16:49:11 < dongs> cuz its F1
2016-01-20T16:49:39 < karlp> didn't you say what the dp part was in teh past anyway? why teh sekretz? making sure ReadError_ doesn't have it too easy? ;)
2016-01-20T16:49:39 < dongs> hopefully i will write firmware nonshit enough that its never needed
2016-01-20T16:49:52 < kakimir> can you tell me what the hell that board is
2016-01-20T16:49:52 < dongs> karlp: yea readerror
2016-01-20T16:49:58 < dongs> that fucking cloning faggot
2016-01-20T16:50:01 < kakimir> what is that connector
2016-01-20T16:50:08 < dongs> kakimir: MINI DISPLAYPORT LOL
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2016-01-20T16:50:44 < dongs> like if the board will be HID or something with that 'DFU' descriptor thingy
2016-01-20T16:50:49 < dongs> so I can make it reboot into bootloader mode.
2016-01-20T16:51:20 < kakimir> what is that passive size used?
2016-01-20T16:51:25 < dongs> 0402
2016-01-20T16:53:24 < kakimir> used your own pick and dick?
2016-01-20T16:53:48 < dongs> sure
2016-01-20T16:54:27 < kakimir> better use that twice a year
2016-01-20T16:54:48 < Sync> ja
2016-01-20T16:57:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Jm3UwUT.jpg this will be the enclosure, wiht properly milled openings once i give ot to my cad guy
2016-01-20T16:58:10 < zyp> nice
2016-01-20T16:59:33 < dongs> looks like DP ended up exactly centered , which is really nice
2016-01-20T16:59:41 < dongs> that was not intentional
2016-01-20T17:00:46 < mitrax> sweet
2016-01-20T17:01:20 < kakimir> is that dp long enough?
2016-01-20T17:01:25 < dongs> yes
2016-01-20T17:01:45 < kakimir> is that dp long enough?+
2016-01-20T17:01:48 < kakimir> sorry
2016-01-20T17:01:52 < kakimir> how much is margin in minidp connector?
2016-01-20T17:02:08 < kakimir> 0.5mm?
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2016-01-20T17:06:50 < kakimir> my laptop has mini hdmi
2016-01-20T17:07:13 < dongs> i was gonna use micro hdmi in a project
2016-01-20T17:07:15 < kakimir> *micro
2016-01-20T17:07:15 < dongs> but its 0.4mm pitch
2016-01-20T17:07:31 < dongs> and like dual row, with 2nd smt row completely inside
2016-01-20T17:07:33 < kakimir> mini hdmi is huge
2016-01-20T17:08:07 < kakimir> had cable for it thought.. had to buy another
2016-01-20T17:09:13 < kakimir> why you had option to use hdmi?
2016-01-20T17:09:30 < kakimir> and dp
2016-01-20T17:09:32 < kakimir> both
2016-01-20T17:09:55 < kakimir> those are like their own.. things
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2016-01-20T17:10:52 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0zpF2eE.png HDMI-D is pretty small, its autally smaller than minidp
2016-01-20T17:10:57 < dongs> 6.5mm vs 9.1mm wide
2016-01-20T17:11:56 < dongs> but yeah fuck .4mm pitch
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2016-01-20T17:15:17 < kakimir> is that board for video or something else?
2016-01-20T17:17:05 < dongs> yes
2016-01-20T17:17:42 < Sync> hm
2016-01-20T17:17:50 < Sync> I am doing something wrong :/
2016-01-20T17:17:55 < kakimir> yes it is
2016-01-20T17:20:03 < kakimir> if(LPC_SSP0->MIS&(1U<<1)){
2016-01-20T17:20:13 < kakimir> is using 1U okay at all?
2016-01-20T17:21:04 < kakimir> because aint like.. number values by default signed integers
2016-01-20T17:21:38 < kakimir> I want to do everything rite
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2016-01-20T17:22:11 < dongs> if <<1 doesnt matter
2016-01-20T17:22:21 < zyp> might as well type 1
2016-01-20T17:22:24 < dongs> but if you <<15 or something that makes it close to high bit
2016-01-20T17:22:25 < zyp> and add some spaces
2016-01-20T17:22:32 < zyp> pff
2016-01-20T17:22:34 < dongs> er sign bit
2016-01-20T17:22:36 < zyp> 1 << 31 would work just fine
2016-01-20T17:22:40 < dongs> oh?
2016-01-20T17:22:50 < kakimir> when I dont need high register
2016-01-20T17:22:59 < kakimir> aint that even lighter than long one?
2016-01-20T17:23:02 < dongs> i duno its one of those things I'd rather write explicitly
2016-01-20T17:23:07 < kakimir> because only half word
2016-01-20T17:23:16 < kakimir> less stuff to move around
2016-01-20T17:23:25 < dongs> LPC peripherals are fucking garbage
2016-01-20T17:23:27 < dongs> all of them
2016-01-20T17:23:30 < kakimir> i know mate
2016-01-20T17:23:39 < dongs> SSP0 sounds like SPI
2016-01-20T17:23:44 < dongs> i was dicking with that shit just recently
2016-01-20T17:23:44 < kakimir> it is
2016-01-20T17:24:00 < kakimir> it's some multi purpose synchronous serial shiet
2016-01-20T17:24:08 < kakimir> that is generally spi
2016-01-20T17:24:17 < dongs> why are you touching ->MIS tho
2016-01-20T17:24:29 < dongs> i dont see it in my code
2016-01-20T17:24:44 < kakimir> masked interrupt status
2016-01-20T17:24:53 < dongs> oh yeah, i didnt bother  to go that advanced
2016-01-20T17:24:57 < kakimir> there is plain interrupt status too
2016-01-20T17:24:59 < dongs> just polled that shit
2016-01-20T17:25:06 < dongs> while (1) fuckyou();
2016-01-20T17:25:16 < kakimir> nice loop
2016-01-20T17:25:19 < Sync> hm, goddamn chip crashes when I start the adc wtf
2016-01-20T17:25:33 < kakimir> you are doing something wrong
2016-01-20T17:25:49 < kakimir> do you have clock to it
2016-01-20T17:25:51 < kakimir> and stuff
2016-01-20T17:26:45 < kakimir> so aint 1<<1 = 2 ?
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2016-01-20T17:27:08 < zyp> yes?
2016-01-20T17:27:12 < Sync> the clock is running and the adc is working, but combined with the dma it does things
2016-01-20T17:27:15 < dongs> i have a wincalc.exe i wrote for that purpose
2016-01-20T17:27:30 < kakimir> :22 < zyp> might as well type 1
2016-01-20T17:27:35 < kakimir> got it now
2016-01-20T17:27:45 < kakimir> write in operator
2016-01-20T17:27:50 < kakimir> not to equal
2016-01-20T17:27:50 < zyp> 1 instead of 1U
2016-01-20T17:28:01 < zyp> (1 << 1) is fine
2016-01-20T17:28:11 < kakimir> but if I want to assburger real hard
2016-01-20T17:28:12 < zyp> I even write (1 << 0) from time to time
2016-01-20T17:28:12 < dongs> be a real pro and do 2 << 0
2016-01-20T17:28:44 < dongs> or 3 >> 1 << 2
2016-01-20T17:28:45 < kakimir> i think I go 1U<<1U
2016-01-20T17:29:06 < dongs> hgm no 3>>1<<1
2016-01-20T17:29:08 < MightyPork> Sync I had strange crashes with ADC+DMA+timer before, turned out it was because I malloc'd the memory and it was in invalid addr or something
2016-01-20T17:29:34 < Sync> no mallocing here
2016-01-20T17:29:45 < dongs> sync, DMA word/etc size is wrong?
2016-01-20T17:29:48 < zyp> 1>>0<<1
2016-01-20T17:29:54 < dongs> and its DMAing all over stack or something
2016-01-20T17:30:31 < kakimir> anyone have LPC1311FHN33 laying around?
2016-01-20T17:30:31 < dongs> the DMA size crap still confuses me
2016-01-20T17:30:42 < kakimir> need one for performance comparison
2016-01-20T17:30:42 < dongs> like word/halfword/whatever
2016-01-20T17:30:48 < dongs> 'performance'
2016-01-20T17:30:52 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-20T17:30:55 < dongs> do you expect there to be huge variance between same model or something?
2016-01-20T17:30:55 < kakimir> "performance"
2016-01-20T17:31:04 < MightyPork> also *M*SIZE and *P*SIZE. spend some 2 hrs figuring out my mistake and it was the one letter
2016-01-20T17:31:06 < kakimir> lpc1111 is M0
2016-01-20T17:31:12 < kakimir> lpc1311 is M3
2016-01-20T17:31:17 < kakimir> no other difference
2016-01-20T17:31:19 < dongs> do you divide a lot?
2016-01-20T17:31:32 < kakimir> in macros?
2016-01-20T17:31:37 < kakimir> no
2016-01-20T17:31:37 < dongs> in anything
2016-01-20T17:31:43 < kakimir> actually zero times
2016-01-20T17:31:43 < Sync> hmm, it is the ADC so I put halfwords there
2016-01-20T17:31:44 < dongs> stuff that ends up being  hardware divide isntruction
2016-01-20T17:32:06 < kakimir> I try to avoid
2016-01-20T17:32:57 < kakimir> but you know. M3 instruction set is like over 100% larger than M0
2016-01-20T17:33:15 < kakimir> there is something useful. must be!
2016-01-20T17:33:59 < MightyPork> Sync: here's my "acquire" module with the adc dma thing, but its with libopencm3 so not sure if it helps you. https://gist.github.com/MightyPork/f1726a31636b54d508da
2016-01-20T17:34:24 < dongs> hmightydong
2016-01-20T17:34:53 < dongs> mutex_unlock..
2016-01-20T17:34:56 < dongs> wtf is this? nuttx?
2016-01-20T17:35:09 < kakimir> dongs: also+22MHZ
2016-01-20T17:35:41 < Sync> well, it is about what I want to do, but I don't want to trigger it but rather have it free running  MightyPork
2016-01-20T17:35:42 < MightyPork> its the ldrex stuff. theres some helper funcs for it in locm3
2016-01-20T17:36:18 < dongs> ya i know its ldrex stuff
2016-01-20T17:36:22 < dongs> i see.
2016-01-20T17:36:27 < dongs> pfft
2016-01-20T17:36:32 < dongs> such posix
2016-01-20T17:36:42 < MightyPork> sync theres some bit that enables circular mode iirc
2016-01-20T17:38:14 < MightyPork> dongs the mutex is there cuz it's triggered by request from usart, and I dont want it to "start twice"
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2016-01-20T17:38:56 < dongs> yeh im not comlaining about usage more about the lunixy API
2016-01-20T17:39:39 < dongs> i prefer STM32CUBEMX
2016-01-20T17:39:42 < MightyPork> hm idk I use what I'm given by liboencm... didnt try any of this rtos stuff yet
2016-01-20T17:39:44 < dongs> the real pro thing
2016-01-20T17:39:44 < MightyPork> ugh cube
2016-01-20T17:39:45 < MightyPork> pls
2016-01-20T17:40:09 < MightyPork> ./** USER CODE FUBAR START */
2016-01-20T17:41:04 < dongs> yeah those weak shits in hal are annoying as crap
2016-01-20T17:41:16 < dongs> last i looked none of the shit was documented either and youre supposed to just KNOW what to do
2016-01-20T17:41:21 < dongs> like to add your own init code to shit and stuff
2016-01-20T17:42:07 < MightyPork> I really hate their API. and basically everything about it tbh
2016-01-20T17:42:13 < MightyPork> think they should stick to making silicon
2016-01-20T17:42:53 < Sync> well, not sure if I want circular mode either MightyPork
2016-01-20T17:43:31 < dongs> sync wtf are you trying to do
2016-01-20T17:43:35 < MightyPork> Sync why'd you want "free-running mode" with adc? that doesnt make much sense. (idk if you can even do it tbh)
2016-01-20T17:43:40 < dongs> just nonstop reading and stick into vars/buffer?
2016-01-20T17:43:52 < MightyPork> will be one hell of useful information
2016-01-20T17:43:55 < dongs> i've setup freerunning
2016-01-20T17:43:59 < dongs> it does work
2016-01-20T17:44:01 < kakimir> dongs: you had spi master?
2016-01-20T17:44:03 < kakimir> or slave?
2016-01-20T17:44:06 < dongs> kakimir: master
2016-01-20T17:44:12 < kakimir> okay you cant help me
2016-01-20T17:44:19 < MightyPork> ok can work, but if you dont know the sample rate, wtf is it for?
2016-01-20T17:44:34 < dongs> freerunning you just configure channels, add htem to group, setup dma, give that DMA a buffer to keep values for all those channels, then wehn you need stuff , read it out
2016-01-20T17:44:44 < dongs> MightyPork: just getting adc value at your own leisure
2016-01-20T17:44:46 < dongs> for shit that doesnt matter
2016-01-20T17:45:49 < jpa-> MightyPork: also you do know the samplerate
2016-01-20T17:45:54 < jpa-> it is right in the ADC specs
2016-01-20T17:46:10 < jpa-> so free running ADC gets you the maximum samplerate it can do
2016-01-20T17:46:10 < dongs> i think he means if using it for the purposes of something like fft
2016-01-20T17:46:16 < jpa-> yes, even for that
2016-01-20T17:46:26 < dongs> yeah but if youre just overwriting previous value its not much of a use
2016-01-20T17:46:33 < dongs> the rate you're reading it out of the array would be your "sample" rate
2016-01-20T17:46:42 < MightyPork> hm ok I suppose you save a timer for other use
2016-01-20T17:46:44 < jpa-> well sure if you have tiny DMA buffer
2016-01-20T17:46:54 < jpa-> but you can put the DMA to a bigger memory also, of course
2016-01-20T17:47:04 < dongs> yeah my setup wasnt even buffered, just several grouped channels
2016-01-20T17:47:12 < dongs> that had 1:1 relation to array of junk keeping their values.
2016-01-20T17:47:16 < jpa-> MightyPork: IIRC it cannot do the full samplerate if triggered by timer, because the trigger takes 1 clock cycle or something
2016-01-20T17:48:25 < jpa-> i think the datasheet lists "maximum samplerate" and "maximum triggered samplerate"
2016-01-20T17:48:56 < Sync> well MightyPork dongs is right, I just want the ADC doing conversions, and when I feel like it I want to grab values from the buffer
2016-01-20T17:49:13 < jpa-> injected conversions are nice for that also
2016-01-20T17:49:18 < jpa-> because you don't even need dma
2016-01-20T17:49:28 < Sync> yeah, but max 4 channels
2016-01-20T17:49:35 < Sync> I want to sample 8
2016-01-20T17:49:39 < jpa-> yep
2016-01-20T17:50:01 < MightyPork> i still havent understood injected conversions... how dows it differ from the regular ones?
2016-01-20T17:50:36 < jpa-> MightyPork: it is higher priority; and goes to separate registers
2016-01-20T17:50:54 < dongs> Sync: https://gist.github.com/trollcop/970a1fc6602b8bf6acc7 F1 but should be same ~everyrwhere
2016-01-20T17:51:01 < jpa-> i guess the point is mostly when you only have one ADC but need separate samplerates
2016-01-20T17:51:18 < dongs> scanmode = 1 for multiple channels
2016-01-20T17:51:24 < dongs> then add them all wiht ++rank
2016-01-20T17:51:31 < dongs> then just start dma, go.
2016-01-20T17:51:36 < dongs> pick them out of adcValues array.
2016-01-20T17:52:07 < dongs> buffersize is number of channels youre scanning, i.e. 8
2016-01-20T17:53:38 < MightyPork> ok makes sense. ty jpa
2016-01-20T17:54:46 < Sync> thx dongs, I'll look into it
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2016-01-20T18:24:00 < MightyPork> hmm how would I go about making a 1 us delay? does arm-gcc have some builtin like avr-gcc does?
2016-01-20T18:24:17 < MightyPork> resp. a precise cycle-count loop
2016-01-20T18:25:53 < englishman> for(uint32_t i=0;i<hse_speed/1000000;i++){nop;}
2016-01-20T18:26:02 < Rob235> systick
2016-01-20T18:29:58 < MightyPork> oh, using the systick register. I always used just the interrupt. that'll work
2016-01-20T18:30:36 < Rob235> I use the interrupt to just increment a counter
2016-01-20T18:31:05 < Rob235> have the interrupt set at 1 us but you can easily make it 1 ms or just pass 1000 us if you want more precision
2016-01-20T18:32:02 < karlp> MightyPork: why do you need the /f3/rcc instead of just /rcc.h? that shouldn't be required at all.
2016-01-20T18:32:16 < karlp> sorry s/rcc/nvic/
2016-01-20T18:34:53 < MightyPork> karlp because libopencm3/stm32/nvic.h doesn't exist
2016-01-20T18:35:07 < karlp> because it's cm3/nvic
2016-01-20T18:35:15 < karlp> nvic being an arm core periph...
2016-01-20T18:35:51 < MightyPork> nope
2016-01-20T18:35:59 < MightyPork> cm3/nvic is just the generic things
2016-01-20T18:36:05 < MightyPork> this has the device specific stuff
2016-01-20T18:36:21 < MightyPork> (and includes cm3/nvic)
2016-01-20T18:36:47 < MightyPork> I think the header script generates it from the json
2016-01-20T18:37:04 < MightyPork> but the "redirection" common .h is missing here
2016-01-20T18:37:12 < karlp> cm3/nvic includes dispatch/nvic which inccludes the stm32/f3/nvic.h
2016-01-20T18:37:19 < karlp> you shouldn't have to be including it directly.
2016-01-20T18:38:24 < MightyPork> hm I'll try that. the file doesnt have any "dont include this directly" warning in it tho
2016-01-20T18:38:48 < MightyPork> the docs are kinda out of date and sporadic so I'm mostly just reading the source and making guesses
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2016-01-20T18:39:57 < karlp> yeah, we didn't add the include warnings to enough of the files.
2016-01-20T18:40:51 < karlp> and stm32/f3/nvic re-includes cm3/nvic which reincludes stm32/f3/nvic.... so it was all backwrds compatible with the original hardcoded stuff :)
2016-01-20T18:41:03 < karlp> it works your way, you just don't need to,
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2016-01-20T18:41:57 < MightyPork> since it's the generated file, couldn't it be added easily by changing the genhdr script?
2016-01-20T18:42:13 < MightyPork> (tbh not sure why it's generated and not just written there, but ok)
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2016-01-20T18:43:14 < karlp> yes, but it wasn't meant to warn people from day one, and hasn't had warnings added since.
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2016-01-20T18:43:26 < karlp> MightyPork: the nvic stuff is needed in both the vectors file and for those defines.
2016-01-20T18:43:38 < karlp> so you either maintain both of those files in perfect sync, or you generate them both
2016-01-20T18:43:44 < MightyPork> oh ok
2016-01-20T18:44:09 < karlp> the isr names have to come from that stuff too remember.
2016-01-20T18:44:26 < MightyPork> yea that confuses me to no end that you renamed all the handlers
2016-01-20T18:44:35 < karlp> wasn't my doing :)
2016-01-20T18:44:35 < MightyPork> the _IRQ suffix was a good thing
2016-01-20T18:45:01 < karlp> they'd named exactly how the stm32 docs name them, but not how the rest of stdperiphliba nd cmsis named them.
2016-01-20T18:47:23 < MightyPork> ok seems its working with cm3/nvic
2016-01-20T18:47:56 < MightyPork> now I can pretend it's portable (can't be further from truth..)
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2016-01-20T19:05:20 < mitrax> "No−load Ground Current" for an LDO is that an alternate name for quiescent current? (http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/CAT6219-D.PDF)
2016-01-20T19:07:44 < celeron55> well, what else could it be
2016-01-20T19:07:53 < celeron55> of course you'll need to consider the minimum load current too though
2016-01-20T19:08:46 < celeron55> (which the regulator may or may not have)
2016-01-20T19:10:57 < mitrax> i assumed so i'm just not used to that terminology :)
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2016-01-20T19:16:54 < MightyPork> Systick CVR is down-counting (?)
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2016-01-20T19:17:40 < karlp> MightyPork: well, it's more portable than it was :) or at least, you don't have to change boilerplate like header includes now :)
2016-01-20T19:17:58 < jadew> my new video card arrived today, almost 50W less power consumption :D
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2016-01-20T19:28:26 < qyx> http://www.blitzortung.org/en/page_5/Menu_Images/Controller_PCB_18.jpg
2016-01-20T19:28:27 < qyx> omg
2016-01-20T19:28:47 < qyx> stm32 using enc28j60?
2016-01-20T19:28:54 < qyx> must be kidding
2016-01-20T19:36:16 < kakimir> sma spotted
2016-01-20T19:36:30 < mitrax> kakimir has a boner
2016-01-20T19:38:34 < kakimir> what is that thing
2016-01-20T19:39:00 < qyx> http://www.blitzortung.org/en/page_5/index.php
2016-01-20T19:39:15 < kakimir> clock generator? lets see
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2016-01-20T19:42:15 < kakimir> okay so url was a hint
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2016-01-20T20:05:58 < Laurenceb_> meanwhile in UK http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35363865
2016-01-20T20:06:29 < kakimir> when I read from 32bit register to 16bit variable
2016-01-20T20:06:50 < kakimir> do I need that AND 0xFFFF operation?
2016-01-20T20:07:19 < kakimir> well.. build tells me eventually
2016-01-20T20:07:58 < kakimir> popper is insane
2016-01-20T20:08:20 < kakimir> you have a plenty Laurenceb_ ?
2016-01-20T20:08:47 < mitrax> have you guys read the report on ZANO that was published two days ago? i didn't read the backlog i guess dongs must have made mention of it
2016-01-20T20:09:10 < mitrax> if not https://medium.com/@meharris/how-zano-raised-millions-on-kickstarter-and-left-backers-with-nearly-nothing-85c0abe4a6cb#.9qknqx2lr :)
2016-01-20T20:09:10 < kakimir> tl dr of course
2016-01-20T20:09:23 < zyp> I haven't
2016-01-20T20:09:56 < kakimir> can you even get a proper house in bahams for that scam price?
2016-01-20T20:10:04 < kakimir> *bahamas
2016-01-20T20:10:26 < mitrax> the part about Reedman's previous "military drone" is interesting
2016-01-20T20:11:02 < mitrax> as one could have guessed it never worked properly
2016-01-20T20:11:38 < mitrax> "By late 2013, BCB was starting to lose patience with Reedman, Davies says. Torquing’s prototype AV Sparrow was proving extremely temperamental."  “It was very unreliable and in the end, I said switch it to use the normal autopilot, so we can at least fly it,” says Barry Davies. “They made an attempt to do that but it never flew properly. You had no control over it. It bounced, it did
2016-01-20T20:11:38 < mitrax> what it wanted to do.”
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2016-01-20T20:12:06 < mitrax> At the Innov8 innovation networking event at the Science Park in January 2014, Reedman held up an AV Sparrow to an audience of local businesses and said proudly, “This little guy is going into mass production now, which is excellent, and now we’re turning our hand to consumer technology.” Nothing could be further from the truth, says Davies.
2016-01-20T20:12:07 < mitrax> ahahahah
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2016-01-20T20:15:18 < Laurenceb_> lol we knew as much already tho
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2016-01-20T20:15:42 < Laurenceb_> Secretary of State for Wales
2016-01-20T20:15:43 < Laurenceb_> LOL
2016-01-20T20:16:19 < kakimir> how do I optimize half word access to register?
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2016-01-20T20:17:14 < kakimir> should I use pointer to it and then read as haf word
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2016-01-20T20:19:15 < kakimir> I need code optimization manual
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2016-01-20T20:21:32 < kakimir> http://www.ti.com/lit/an/spma014/spma014.pdf found something
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2016-01-20T20:22:42 < Laurenceb_> Because the Zano drone checks in over the internet with Torquing’s servers each time it powers up to retrieve calibration data and updates, the few drones in the wild were instantly and permanently grounded
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2016-01-20T20:22:46 < Laurenceb_> lolling hard
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2016-01-20T20:24:06 < kakimir> do it better yourself
2016-01-20T20:24:37 < mitrax> Rhys Norbury is office administrator at Jellagen, a startup at the Technology Park that produces medical collagen from jellyfish. “We knew that Torquing were a big company, were very fancy, and had a lot of money, mostly based off the fancy BMWs,”
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2016-01-20T20:25:01 < mitrax>  “If you get a lump of money, maybe you do get a bit silly,” he tells me during a phone interview. “They all bought kit. There were some odd things, like Busby Junior driving around in a brand new BMW M4 and Busby Senior having a brand new M6.”
2016-01-20T20:25:13 < Laurenceb_> "he still genuinely believes that that his drone is only days or weeks away from working as promised"
2016-01-20T20:25:30 < Laurenceb_> should say he "always believes"
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2016-01-20T20:27:20 < Laurenceb_> lol wifi military drone
2016-01-20T20:27:33 < Laurenceb_> are these guys on weed or something
2016-01-20T20:27:50 < mitrax> you'll like this one
2016-01-20T20:27:53 < mitrax> The second developer again: “During the first weeks I was there, Ivan was used to closing his office door when he was testing the [drone’s] flight. This is the reason why I can’t say if Zano was able to ‘fly’, ‘fly properly’, or something between the two, at that time.”
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2016-01-20T20:28:58 < Laurenceb_> s/testing/fapping
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2016-01-20T20:30:39 < mitrax> "The other developer blames a pervasive culture of overconfidence"
2016-01-20T20:30:40 < mitrax> no shit :)
2016-01-20T20:31:07 < PaulFertser> Hey mitrax, got your DFU going?
2016-01-20T20:31:56 < Laurenceb_>  despite using very strong signals, interference caused the system to constantly lose its connection and fail
2016-01-20T20:32:04 < Laurenceb_> LOL no shit
2016-01-20T20:32:11 < mitrax> PaulFertser: no... but there's a very good reason why it didn't work
2016-01-20T20:32:13  * mitrax hides
2016-01-20T20:32:46 < mitrax> PaulFertser: the bootloader uses the FS port, and i'm using the HS one
2016-01-20T20:34:16 < mitrax> oh wait. you knew about that already
2016-01-20T20:34:23 < zyp> haha
2016-01-20T20:34:43 < kakimir> signed short is more expensive than signed int in terms of performance and code size
2016-01-20T20:35:11 < mitrax> PaulFertser: sorry, you mean the custom DFU bootloader, well not yet i put that on hold
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2016-01-20T20:37:52 < mitrax>  “I didn’t think people would be that aggressive and nasty,” says Reedman. “I sort of learned to toughen my skin up a bit and not pay as much attention to it.” But by the start of August, Reedman says that he was suffering chest pain and having trouble sleeping.
2016-01-20T20:37:53 < mitrax> aaaaw poor bunny
2016-01-20T20:38:34 < Laurenceb_> needs to try removing all the stolen money from his mattress
2016-01-20T20:39:22 < BrainDamage> >However, there are features shown working in the video that Reedman confirmed to me were not fully operational at the time it was shot.
2016-01-20T20:39:49 < BrainDamage> so he just admitted to outright lieing in the main product display, and then sugarcoats it
2016-01-20T20:40:08 < BrainDamage> >These features were included in the video because Reedman genuinely (but mistakenly) believed that he would be able to perfect them in time for the launch.
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2016-01-20T20:42:09 < Laurenceb_> Around May, Reedman spent £500 on an aging supercomputer from HPC Wales, the country’s national supercomputing service provider, which he intended to host a forum and process customers’ video
2016-01-20T20:42:12 < Laurenceb_> whyyyy
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2016-01-20T20:44:47 < Steffanx> Did mr Laurenceb_ read the entire story yet?
2016-01-20T20:46:09 < Laurenceb_> tl;dr
2016-01-20T20:46:09 < zyp> oh
2016-01-20T20:46:16 < zyp> «The simplest way for Torquing to get more money would be to deliver the first Zano drones to pre-order customers. This would release hundreds of thousands of pounds that PayPal had been sitting on for months.»
2016-01-20T20:46:24 < zyp> so that's why they bothered shipping anything at all
2016-01-20T20:48:07 < Rob235> ugh this is frustrating
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2016-01-20T20:48:31 < Rob235> trying to implement something you don't understand is a pain in the ass :)
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2016-01-20T20:49:00 < PaulFertser> And those fucks got the money, while Neo900 projects struggles with paypal...
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2016-01-20T20:54:16  * mitrax loves the last paragraph
2016-01-20T20:54:25 < mitrax> ’ll leave the last word here to Barry Davies of BCB. “I started to feel…that where we had gone wrong was listening to Ivan saying he could do this. He can’t do it. He just can’t,” he says.
2016-01-20T20:55:20 < mitrax> oops that's not even the end, damn that's a long article
2016-01-20T20:58:20 < mitrax> Reedman tells me that he has had a number of discussions, both commercial and open source, about resurrecting Zano: “If somebody comes in and buys all the intellectual property and continues the project, or if it goes down open source route, that would be absolutely fantastic. "
2016-01-20T20:58:21 < mitrax> hopeless
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2016-01-20T21:00:33 < Steffanx> It's nothing new anyway mitrax. We already know most of it thanks to mr dongs
2016-01-20T21:01:26 < Steffanx> "Only one person clicked the Report This Project button at the very bottom of Zano’s page during its Kickstarter campaign" .. dongs?
2016-01-20T21:02:28 < mitrax> i'm aware it's nothing new, anybody who's been idling in this channel knows the big picture :) still there are a few interesting facts
2016-01-20T21:04:23 < mitrax> like the confirmation that the exact same thing happened with his previous "military" drone from the mouth of the guy who contracted him
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2016-01-20T21:07:40 < mitrax> and that it's not a scam per se... (i bet dongs will say the contrary but still :p)
2016-01-20T21:11:10 < Steffanx> but getting out drones just to get your paypal money..
2016-01-20T21:11:23 < Steffanx> not sure if that classifies as scam, but it still is WRONG.
2016-01-20T21:11:48 < mitrax> of course
2016-01-20T21:12:28 < mitrax> but that doesn't make it a scam... the intent was not to fail and run with the money
2016-01-20T21:12:50 < Steffanx> or it was.
2016-01-20T21:13:23 < mitrax> if it were it would be an awfully bad one
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2016-01-20T21:15:58 < mitrax> anyway, it's an interesting social experiment ... it shows that all it takes for someone to fool a bunch of people is a lot of confidence (well in that particular case Reedman even fooled himself)
2016-01-20T21:16:36 < BrainDamage> it was a scam in that he faked the promotional video
2016-01-20T21:16:59 < mitrax> show no doubt and people will follow like sheeps
2016-01-20T21:17:01 < BrainDamage> that he misjudged that he could make it before deadline, is a separate issue
2016-01-20T21:17:15 < BrainDamage> but it is and remains false advertising
2016-01-20T21:18:23 < mitrax> it's not a separate issue... those idiots were convinced they would pull it off
2016-01-20T21:18:51 < mitrax> or well Ivan was, and the other believed him
2016-01-20T21:19:00 < BrainDamage> even if they could make it, at least in my country you can still be sued for false advertising
2016-01-20T21:19:06 < mitrax> i agree
2016-01-20T21:19:24 < BrainDamage> so yes, it's a separate issue, legally speaking
2016-01-20T21:20:33 < Steffanx> Anyway, who cares as if you were an TG employee? You're play stupid, do what you like and get paid for it.
2016-01-20T21:20:39 < Steffanx> *-re
2016-01-20T21:22:16 < mitrax> they were dishonest, but to me it's the initial intent that matters... my point is it's not like they went "hey let's make a kickstarter campain for a product that we will never see the light of day"... but ok that's *my* definition of a scam maybe i'm wrong
2016-01-20T21:23:22 < kakimir> why arm cortex has only 13 general registers?
2016-01-20T21:23:39 < kakimir> total.. 16.. makes sense
2016-01-20T21:23:55 < kakimir> but can you do a shit with 13general registers
2016-01-20T21:24:01 < mitrax> anyway... i'll leave it at that... i guess everbody has had a zanoverdose :) back to stm32
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2016-01-20T21:41:55 < Laurenceb_> We don’t as a general rule provide significant grants, or loans. But we were prepared to do that for Torquing. The money would have come out of our capital program supporting building roads, schools and houses
2016-01-20T21:41:57 < Laurenceb_> lol
2016-01-20T21:46:30 < kakimir> what
2016-01-20T21:46:33 < kakimir> are they
2016-01-20T21:46:34 < kakimir> doing
2016-01-20T21:46:52 < kakimir> is this after the meltdown?
2016-01-20T21:47:38 < kakimir> well it was a good try
2016-01-20T21:48:54 < kakimir> throw fools out and create rev.2 with help of dongs
2016-01-20T21:58:25 < aandrew> oh god
2016-01-20T21:58:29 < aandrew> microchip bought atmel
2016-01-20T21:59:33 < kakimir> that is 2days old news?
2016-01-20T22:01:10 < Rob235> my brain hurts
2016-01-20T22:09:04 < qyx> 20:58 < aandrew> microchip bought atmel
2016-01-20T22:09:05 < qyx> wat
2016-01-20T22:11:34 < ReadError> like officially?
2016-01-20T22:11:40 < ReadError> they been talking about it for a while
2016-01-20T22:12:05 < qyx> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/20/business/dealbook/microchip-technology-to-buy-atmel-for-nearly-3-6-billion.html?_r=0
2016-01-20T22:12:08 < qyx> lol really
2016-01-20T22:13:15 < Laurenceb_> oh wow
2016-01-20T22:13:25 < Laurenceb_> avr crowd are screwed big time
2016-01-20T22:15:21 < kakimir> but arent all main products well cloned already?
2016-01-20T22:15:31 < Laurenceb_> clone avr is news to me
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2016-01-20T22:20:14 < kakimir> how hard is simulation on qemu?
2016-01-20T22:21:20 < kakimir> not basic level skill I think
2016-01-20T22:23:10 < jpa-> not that difficult, but it doesn't simulate peripherals
2016-01-20T22:23:12 < jpa-> so pretty useless
2016-01-20T22:23:42 < kakimir> dont you have like... interface to create them?
2016-01-20T22:24:01 < jpa-> sure, if you have the time
2016-01-20T22:24:38 < jpa-> also not cycle accurate
2016-01-20T22:24:40 < kakimir> can I measure with qemu how long code takes time to execute
2016-01-20T22:24:50 < jpa-> kind-of but not accurately
2016-01-20T22:24:57 < kakimir> for compa.. nothing
2016-01-20T22:25:08 < jpa-> easier to do on real hw
2016-01-20T22:25:22 < kakimir> have better chip with swo output
2016-01-20T22:25:28 < kakimir> and something to capture it
2016-01-20T22:26:09 < jpa-> not really necessary, simply reading DWT->CYCCNT before and after works
2016-01-20T22:26:10 < kakimir> hey jpa- what was name of your project?
2016-01-20T22:26:59 < kakimir> that swo thing
2016-01-20T22:27:40 < jpa-> it's just two decoders for sigrok and a blog post, not a project and doesn't have a name
2016-01-20T22:28:09 < kakimir> http://essentialscrap.com/tips/arm_trace/
2016-01-20T22:28:23 < kakimir> it has some good code in it
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2016-01-20T22:28:56 < kakimir> in example
2016-01-20T22:29:02 < kakimir> gets you going
2016-01-20T22:29:21 < kakimir> didn't have fx2 last time I tried this
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2016-01-20T23:02:14 < Laurenceb_> Zano card game. “The game is a mockumentary of the business,” he tells me. “[It will have] things like fund raising, spin doctoring, ordering the wrong parts, staff fleeing and liquidators
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2016-01-20T23:07:43 < kakimir>  Use ISB after enabling interrupts to permit immediate recognition of a pending interrupt
2016-01-20T23:07:47 < kakimir> nice hint
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2016-01-20T23:17:20 < kakimir> why there is UNALIGN_TRP?
2016-01-20T23:18:06 < kakimir> in M0 it's locked on
2016-01-20T23:18:33 < kakimir> read only
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2016-01-20T23:45:19 < MightyPork> nooo why must microchip spoil everything good
2016-01-20T23:45:59 < MightyPork> if they mess up avrs im gonna cry. pics are sooo bad
2016-01-20T23:46:19 < kakimir> who cares
2016-01-20T23:46:46 < kakimir> using pic is not an option anyway
2016-01-20T23:46:53 < kakimir> avr maybe if you have working code
2016-01-20T23:47:40 < MightyPork> avrs are nice, you can get super cheap chinese arduino clone for like $2 with USB and everything
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2016-01-20T23:49:35 < MightyPork> hm ok with usb it's a bit more. but still, nice for small projects
2016-01-20T23:50:43 < kakimir> then you buy that clone
2016-01-20T23:50:56 < kakimir> as if avr would provide anything to it
2016-01-20T23:51:01 < kakimir> *atmel
2016-01-20T23:51:46 < MightyPork> idk maybe it's genuine (well, the chip)
2016-01-20T23:52:32 < kakimir> no way it is
2016-01-20T23:53:17 < MightyPork> it has Atmel written on it (ok probably not a good proof)
2016-01-20T23:54:41 < kakimir> :|
2016-01-20T23:55:03 < kakimir> meaning of clone is
2016-01-20T23:55:18 < kakimir> that it is.. copy to detail
2016-01-20T23:56:33 < MightyPork> think they copied the dice somehow, or re-implemented it? Must be fairly complex
2016-01-20T23:57:09 < kakimir> it's what chinese do
2016-01-20T23:59:17 < kakimir> they are the best in the world when it comes to cloning things
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2016-01-21T00:04:04 < MightyPork> hmm have any of you tried the stm8s ? I see tons of $1 boards on ebay, wondering if it's any good. (it's not ARM ofc)
2016-01-21T00:05:26 < kakimir> 8bit is not worth it
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2016-01-21T00:09:59 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-STM32F030F4P6-System-Board-ARM-CORTEX-M0-Core-Minimum-System-Dev-Board-/221976321088
2016-01-21T00:10:11 < kakimir> usb and all
2016-01-21T00:10:44 < kakimir> oh its power
2016-01-21T00:10:54 < kakimir> anyway.. maker proof
2016-01-21T00:11:32 < Taxman_> i think the price is a bit too high
2016-01-21T00:11:54 < MightyPork> looking at this now http://www.ebay.com/itm/201414966215
2016-01-21T00:11:58 < MightyPork> it's f103
2016-01-21T00:12:03 < MightyPork> so M3 (?)
2016-01-21T00:12:39 < Taxman_> F0 is cortex mß
2016-01-21T00:12:41 < Taxman_> m0
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2016-01-21T00:13:57 < Taxman> this mcu is cheap: http://components.arrow.com/part/search/STM32F030F4P6
2016-01-21T00:14:34 < MightyPork> is there any good reason to pick M0 over M3? (I never worked with M0)
2016-01-21T00:15:22 < zyp> price
2016-01-21T00:15:56 < zyp> M0 is a subset of M3, so it doesn't really do anything M3 doesn't
2016-01-21T00:16:25 < MightyPork> just looking at the specs. no divide unit :/
2016-01-21T00:16:29 < zyp> a particular vendor implementation of it might be interesting
2016-01-21T00:17:05 < zyp> STM32F0 and STM32L0 are some of the newer STM32 families, so they have some neat features not found in STM32F1
2016-01-21T00:17:19 < zyp> like crystalless usb
2016-01-21T00:17:43 < MightyPork> oh. I didnt know you need xtal for usb
2016-01-21T00:17:57 < MightyPork> couldn't the PLL make the frequency?
2016-01-21T00:18:15 < zyp> sure it can, but it need to be precise
2016-01-21T00:19:47 < zyp> USB FS requires a clock accuracy of 0.25%
2016-01-21T00:20:12 < zyp> the built in oscillator in F1 is 0.5%, I believe
2016-01-21T00:21:25 < zyp> the new crystalless stuff have a new internal oscillator that calibrates itself based on the usb framerate, i.e. the SOF tokens
2016-01-21T00:21:39 < zyp> so it locks onto the usb host's clock rate
2016-01-21T00:22:54 < MightyPork> sounds nice
2016-01-21T00:23:39 < MightyPork> lol if you search ebay for stm32L0, it gives you only jeans
2016-01-21T00:26:17 < kakimir> MightyPork: in sub 5dollar range there is things like esp8266
2016-01-21T00:26:38 < kakimir> that is really maker proof and stuff for it is there
2016-01-21T00:26:49 < MightyPork> kakimir: I have some of those. havent tried messing with the sdk yet, just AT so far
2016-01-21T00:27:44 < MightyPork> not too eager to learn new architecture if it can be helped ;)
2016-01-21T00:47:19 < kakimir> http://koenigsegg.com/regera/
2016-01-21T00:48:29 < kakimir> they throw out gearbox and have electric motors to cover low speed area and add vectoring
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2016-01-21T00:50:09 < kakimir> from 50kph multi plate stack starts to connect engine to rear diff.. directly
2016-01-21T00:52:31 < kakimir> propably wet one with hydraulic press to it
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2016-01-21T01:53:23 < karlp> kakimir: re your signed short vs int stuff: http://false.ekta.is/2012/07/code-size-changes-with-int-on-8bit-and-32bit-platforms/
2016-01-21T01:53:32 < karlp> tl;dr: you're overthinking shit
2016-01-21T02:02:29 < karlp> fucking st website down again
2016-01-21T02:09:53 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/thumb/1453334225784.jpg
2016-01-21T02:17:01 < Getty> Laurenceb_: lol
2016-01-21T02:18:19 < kakimir> karlp: your test is not complete
2016-01-21T02:18:27 < kakimir> it lacks one size
2016-01-21T02:23:02 < kakimir> I try try to have perspective to use of half word size types
2016-01-21T02:23:28 < kakimir> and if I can have performance gains
2016-01-21T02:23:53 < kakimir> by ie. reading only low register and avoid using masking
2016-01-21T02:24:11 < kakimir> but also if there is performance damage to it
2016-01-21T02:26:09 < kakimir> also interested how memory access is and can be aligned
2016-01-21T02:27:40 < kakimir> "..while on STM32, they should be signed"
2016-01-21T02:27:57 < kakimir> signed counters better for code size
2016-01-21T02:28:03 < kakimir> didn't see that coming
2016-01-21T02:32:26 < MightyPork> wow *facedesk* after half a year I discovered QtCreator (which I've been using all the time) has support for gdb, stlink & openocd
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2016-01-21T02:36:05 < kakimir> now I get how code size is smaller in 8bit one but how it's equal in int
2016-01-21T02:36:42 < kakimir> 8bit counter constants are stored as 8bit
2016-01-21T02:38:35 < kakimir> I think what this example tells it's that gcc is a mess and you have to understand what types to use where if you want optimize it
2016-01-21T02:39:22 < kakimir> manually
2016-01-21T02:40:02 < kakimir> show it exactly what needs to be done
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2016-01-21T03:27:27 < Getty> http://i.imgur.com/CA0NnSD.gif
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2016-01-21T03:40:24 < kakimir> bury him while you at it
2016-01-21T03:44:46 < upgrdman> karlp, heh, ya. rev a was a proof-of-concept thing to make sure i wasnt getting trolled by some youtuber.
2016-01-21T04:15:20 < upgrdman> yo
2016-01-21T04:15:53 < upgrdman> gay battlestation setup  http://imgur.com/Ud6E8cK
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2016-01-21T04:26:43 < kakimir> that is so russian
2016-01-21T04:27:03 < kakimir> they totally wanted it to drain empty
2016-01-21T04:28:22 < kakimir> in heavy traffic of course
2016-01-21T04:28:48 < dongs> < karlp> kakimir: re your signed short vs int stuff:
2016-01-21T04:28:55 < kakimir> that is actually impressive
2016-01-21T04:31:55 < dongs> whats hte tldr on R2BLOG's video
2016-01-21T04:32:01 < dongs> they towed the tesla to charge it or something?
2016-01-21T04:32:36 < dongs> isnt that kinda obvious
2016-01-21T04:32:47 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BR8tK-LuB0 why dont they teach like this
2016-01-21T04:33:00 < dongs> 2nd time someone links that shit
2016-01-21T04:42:13 < dongs> R2COM needs this http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/snw/5353042006.html
2016-01-21T04:43:37 < kakimir> anything like that sells in russia
2016-01-21T04:44:39 < dongs> lol
2016-01-21T04:44:43 < kakimir> that looks nice
2016-01-21T04:45:02 < dongs> but you cant park taht in front of your shitty american house
2016-01-21T04:45:08 < dongs> and drive to work
2016-01-21T04:47:28 < kakimir> thing about those little utility vehicles that have tracks or anything weird was that there really wasnt any commercial product for such and people created those from scrap and stolen tech
2016-01-21T04:47:55 < kakimir> there was magazines that had instructions for building
2016-01-21T04:48:37 < kakimir> and after ussr it took off as individuals have money to spend
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2016-01-21T04:49:53 < kakimir> can you become a mathematician in ages after 25?
2016-01-21T04:50:36 < kakimir> as I feel I'm first time enought un-stoned to understand a shit
2016-01-21T04:50:51 < dongs> haha
2016-01-21T04:50:51 < dongs> zano
2016-01-21T04:50:51 < dongs> “They talked about things for which I couldn’t quite get the commercial application,” says Mayne. “It was virtually impossible to tell what they did from their own material. And having spoken to them, it wasn’t much clearer, except that they seemed, on a positive note, very bright.”
2016-01-21T04:51:16 < kakimir> what is product that matematicians produce?
2016-01-21T04:51:46 < kakimir> oh
2016-01-21T04:53:46 < kakimir> so.. is there a good sides becoming a mathematician?
2016-01-21T04:54:43 < kakimir> I know
2016-01-21T04:58:16 < dongs> Davies estimates that BCB spent hundreds of thousands of pounds with Torquing with little to show for it except a joint patent with Reedman for the drone’s unreliable obstacle-avoiding sonar. “We were really disappointed. It wasn’t so much the money, it was the time we spent,” he says. “We were way ahead of everybody else and we lost our slot.”
2016-01-21T04:58:21 < dongs> haha
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2016-01-21T05:00:11 < kakimir> should you first become a mathematician
2016-01-21T05:00:52 < kakimir> then do whatever you want with mathematician mindset
2016-01-21T05:04:10 < kakimir> how fluent your russian is R2COM ?
2016-01-21T05:09:34 < kakimir> are you moving to russia if there is good economy?
2016-01-21T05:09:50 < kakimir> in global scale
2016-01-21T05:11:41 < kakimir> you follow the money?
2016-01-21T05:11:56 < kakimir> good pay
2016-01-21T05:13:07 < kakimir> sounds like my dreams
2016-01-21T05:39:03 < kakimir> how long average german user uses the car is something like 200k
2016-01-21T05:39:08 < kakimir> american even less
2016-01-21T05:39:46 < kakimir> cycle is to scrap that car every 100-150k or so
2016-01-21T05:40:15 < kakimir> and then sell that same crap in a new shape
2016-01-21T05:42:08 < kakimir> my car has 400k
2016-01-21T05:42:26 < kakimir> and it doesn't yet cause trouble
2016-01-21T05:43:21 < kakimir> and.. 14years age.. god damn it's oldie
2016-01-21T05:43:34 < kakimir> audi a4 2.0tdi
2016-01-21T05:44:23 < kakimir> just keep driving
2016-01-21T05:44:35 < kakimir> it lasts for 1M or more
2016-01-21T05:45:04 < Bright> i just keep crying until my problems go away
2016-01-21T05:45:28 < kakimir> car problems?
2016-01-21T05:45:56 < Bright> no i drove home in the snow today ok
2016-01-21T05:46:43 < kakimir> your.. life?
2016-01-21T05:49:03 < kakimir> do you 1) cry it by yourself 2) cry it to somebody else
2016-01-21T05:50:40 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/YdsbZce.gif
2016-01-21T05:53:01 < kakimir> he is keeping her tits safe so that workout doesn't vaporize little there is left
2016-01-21T05:53:49 < upgrdman> sure why not
2016-01-21T05:54:22 < kakimir> I bet it is in my like-range
2016-01-21T05:54:28 < upgrdman> R2COM, i think you would like the this video. watch it until the end.  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4e8_1453319738
2016-01-21T05:54:42 < kakimir> GN>
2016-01-21T05:56:11 < upgrdman> :)
2016-01-21T06:03:48 < dongs> He says that he walked away with no shares, no test equipment, no computers, no hand tools, “not even a screwdriver. I left with nothing.”
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2016-01-21T07:03:08 < Rob235> what to do...
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2016-01-21T07:06:16 < Rob235> shes sleeping and im too tired for that
2016-01-21T07:07:02 < upgrdman> you should have said something like "sure, send your mom over"
2016-01-21T07:07:59 < Rob235> have you seen his mom? he can have her
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2016-01-21T07:10:16 < Rob235> haha what?
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2016-01-21T07:23:58 < dongs> R2COM is super pissed
2016-01-21T07:24:06 < dongs> no more shitty atmel ARMs to develop for
2016-01-21T07:24:11 < dongs> PIC32MZ is king
2016-01-21T07:25:17 < dongs> azn software foundation
2016-01-21T07:25:48 < dongs> MrSurly says:
2016-01-21T07:25:48 < dongs> January 20, 2016 at 8:56 am
2016-01-21T07:25:49 < dongs> Ug. The reason I moved away from PIC was that my primary development platform is Linux, which MicroChip was definitely not friendly to in the past.
2016-01-21T07:25:52 < dongs> haha
2016-01-21T07:27:03 < dongs> > I hope Microchip doesn’t kill off the AVR, as that will push everybody onto an ARM solution.
2016-01-21T07:27:08 < dongs> what a dumb suggestion
2016-01-21T07:27:10 < dongs> I hope they DO kill off avr
2016-01-21T07:27:31 < ds2> AVR blows :P
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2016-01-21T07:34:26 < dongs> yea man
2016-01-21T07:34:29 < dongs> fucking lunix
2016-01-21T07:37:38 < dongs> I for example use very successfully the SAMA5D35 (Cortex-A5) on Linux. A peripheral SAMD21J18A (Cortex-M0) is programmed with OpenOCD from the main A5 using the 2 signals SWD bus and communicate with it using full speed USB. A very powerful combinaison. Last revision of the chips have very few anomaly and none of them are making any problem with the targeted application. I found no corresponding solution with Microchip
2016-01-21T07:37:45 < dongs> found R2COM post
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2016-01-21T07:45:53 < dongs> STM8 are great chips, some of them rival the Mega328 in performance but for the price of a Tiny85. SDCC and stm8flash are a great combo. If only more than a single one of them were available in a DIP package…
2016-01-21T07:45:57 < dongs> haha
2016-01-21T07:46:02 < dongs> didnt know there was STM8 i ndip
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2016-01-21T08:22:02 < dongs> wonder if that was done before or after hte sdcc guy died
2016-01-21T08:27:04 < dongs> youll never make anything to the point where you need a compiler
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2016-01-21T09:07:21 < PaulFertser> dongs: what sdcc guy died?
2016-01-21T09:08:00 < dongs> PaulFertser: http://sourceforge.net/p/sdcc/discussion/1864/thread/a7cdb71e/
2016-01-21T09:09:24 < PaulFertser> dongs: I see. That's sad. But he's not the primary developer.
2016-01-21T09:09:31 < dongs> unfortunately.
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2016-01-21T09:21:58 < PeterM> holy shit it has been such a time since i saw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE3Zjcngj74
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2016-01-21T09:33:01 < dongs>  -!- [playa] [baked@oven.sale.at.jews-r.us]
2016-01-21T09:35:06 < dongs> PeterM: what am i watching
2016-01-21T09:36:38 < PaulFertser> dongs: http://sdcc.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Stm8_code_size doesn't seem too bad, beats IAR in some tests.
2016-01-21T09:36:41 < dongs> couldnt he just stop speeding like 60 seconds into it
2016-01-21T09:36:57 < PaulFertser> And that was mid-2013, probably better now.
2016-01-21T09:37:07 < dongs> cosmic still winning :L(
2016-01-21T09:37:45 < PaulFertser> Also, no free tools support step-by-step debugging.
2016-01-21T09:39:10 < dongs> er?
2016-01-21T09:39:16 < PeterM> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getaway_in_Stockholm
2016-01-21T09:39:18 < dongs> then why I've been stepping through my stm8 code for years
2016-01-21T09:39:22 < dongs> using free stuff?
2016-01-21T09:39:51 < jpa-> gnu/free ;)
2016-01-21T09:40:11 < dongs> PaulFertser: cosmic *free* 32k compiler (i've not had a smt8 target with > 32k flash anyway), and ST's free STVD IDE
2016-01-21T09:40:34 < dongs> free as in aids/free
2016-01-21T09:42:00 < PaulFertser> dongs: I use the word "free" in a different sense.
2016-01-21T09:42:20 < dongs> yeah i figured
2016-01-21T09:42:43 < jpa-> aids/free is probably free as in libre, because the license allows mutation and redistribution
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2016-01-21T10:07:34 < qyx> interesting projects https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/VDC-VDC-Isolated-Switched-Mode/
2016-01-21T10:07:37 < qyx> -s
2016-01-21T10:07:51 < qyx> quite strict requirements for that price
2016-01-21T10:09:07 < dongs> haha
2016-01-21T10:09:08 < dongs> wow
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2016-01-21T10:09:59 < dongs> wahts 90V for? some kinda telecom shit?
2016-01-21T10:10:34 < qyx> actually I don't know if it is +-90V or 90V +- few V
2016-01-21T10:10:49 < dongs> No load output voltage:
2016-01-21T10:10:50 < dongs> ±90VDC ±2VDC
2016-01-21T10:11:06 < Sync> lel
2016-01-21T10:11:08 < dongs> yeah hm, almost sounds liek he wants +90 ad -90?
2016-01-21T10:11:11 < PeterM> that shits easy
2016-01-21T10:11:14 < PeterM> yeah
2016-01-21T10:11:17 < Sync> class e and sync rekt for 3k
2016-01-21T10:11:21 < qyx> isolated 300W on 40cm^2?
2016-01-21T10:11:34 < PeterM> provided the input is stable should be doable
2016-01-21T10:11:36 < qyx> 32mm height incl magneticvs
2016-01-21T10:11:59 < qyx> thats like a standard laptop power supply
2016-01-21T10:12:08 < qyx> besides the fact that those are ~90W
2016-01-21T10:12:13 < PeterM> http://www.irf.com/technical-info/userguide/ug-0601.pdf
2016-01-21T10:12:29 < dongs> weidong fan
2016-01-21T10:12:58 < qyx> nah
2016-01-21T10:13:20 < dongs> qyx, cna you see which pakis bid on it
2016-01-21T10:13:23 < dongs> i cant
2016-01-21T10:13:26 < dongs> it shows bidding(13)
2016-01-21T10:13:27 < dongs> or somethign
2016-01-21T10:13:29 < qyx> noone yet
2016-01-21T10:13:36 < qyx> wait
2016-01-21T10:13:46 < dongs> Bids are hidden by the project creator. You will not be able to bid on this project if you are not qualified in any of the job categories.
2016-01-21T10:13:48 < qyx>  There are no bids yet.
2016-01-21T10:13:49 < dongs> To see your qualifications click here.
2016-01-21T10:13:50 < dongs> topsecret
2016-01-21T10:13:52 < qyx> yep, hidden probably
2016-01-21T10:13:53 < dongs> oh
2016-01-21T10:13:55 < dongs> its hidden
2016-01-21T10:15:38 < qyx> uhm, 10 layers
2016-01-21T10:16:25 < PeterM> yeah?
2016-01-21T10:16:31 < PeterM> and?
2016-01-21T10:17:13 < PeterM> price of custom magnetics vs 10l pcb with lax specs for planars
2016-01-21T10:19:34 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Architecture/Arduino-Nano-audio-player-9318956/
2016-01-21T10:19:37 < dongs> yess
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2016-01-21T10:19:59 < dongs> http://www.wsj.com/articles/taiwans-foxconn-offers-5-3-billion-to-take-over-sharp-1453348809 RIP
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2016-01-21T10:35:00 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Design-Product-9397378/ irl tarduino
2016-01-21T10:35:08 < dongs> free lobotomy: wire your brain to an arduino programmed by a cheapskate and a paki
2016-01-21T10:38:21 < zyp> is freelancer trolling the new shit?
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2016-01-21T10:41:54 < dongs> donno qyx started it
2016-01-21T10:42:05 < dongs> i used to use that shit back when it was called rentacoder
2016-01-21T10:42:13 < dongs> which was more like rentapaki
2016-01-21T10:42:18 < dongs> which it still is seems to be
2016-01-21T10:43:24 < qyx> I need this project in just one day. So bid only if you can do it in a single day. And i need the complete arduino Code for this ADC
2016-01-21T10:43:31 < qyx> pretty hard without the actual ADC
2016-01-21T10:43:40 < dongs> isnt it just some basic SPI adc
2016-01-21T10:43:46 < dongs> i didnt even bother looking
2016-01-21T10:44:20 < dongs> ya its spi
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2016-01-21T10:45:17 < jpa-> yeah, could just write driver based on docs in 30 mins and see if it works for him
2016-01-21T10:45:27 < jpa-> is there any penalty in freelancer.com if you fail to deliver?
2016-01-21T10:45:44 < dongs> no idea, y ou probably get a bawwwww rating
2016-01-21T10:45:48 < dongs> and paki will hire someone else
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2016-01-21T10:46:55 < dongs> tectu could probly do it
2016-01-21T10:47:11 < dongs> notice none of these projects ever have people from USA bidding
2016-01-21T10:48:06 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Assignment-Electrical-amp-Electronic/ someone's homeowrk?
2016-01-21T10:51:20 < Tectu> spotted dongs (nsfw) https://img.pr0gramm.com/2016/01/20/691a46c6c3a27476.webm
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2016-01-21T10:53:37 < dongs> lol
2016-01-21T10:53:42 < dongs> spawns do that shit
2016-01-21T11:03:54 < Sync> the fuck
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2016-01-21T11:06:21 < zyp> haha, wat
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2016-01-21T11:36:19 < dongs> making first practical use of 3d dicker
2016-01-21T11:36:32 < dongs> printing dell enclosure endcaps
2016-01-21T11:37:01 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/vR0pgeI.jpg
2016-01-21T11:51:20 < MightyPork> anyone know some tool to visualise the .map file made by gcc?
2016-01-21T11:51:58 < zyp> cat
2016-01-21T11:53:05 < MightyPork> ...
2016-01-21T11:55:38 < dongs> notepad.exe is what i use
2016-01-21T11:55:53 < dongs> what do you want to "visualize" in it?
2016-01-21T11:57:24 < zyp> I don't really get why people are dicking around with map files
2016-01-21T11:57:30 < dongs> wut
2016-01-21T11:57:32 < dongs> i read htem all the time
2016-01-21T11:57:39 < zyp> for what?
2016-01-21T11:58:00 < dongs> errrrrr to see that im not pulling in soft float, or to make sure my large const blocks are indeed const and not wasting ram etc
2016-01-21T11:58:40 < zyp> isn't that obvious just from the section sizes?
2016-01-21T11:58:59 < zyp> and how often do you make changes that would affect that anyway?
2016-01-21T11:59:13 < dongs> eh i donno, its still fun reading
2016-01-21T11:59:23 < dongs> also i can see what code stuff takes more space etc
2016-01-21T11:59:28 < dongs> and see if I should optimize it or wahtever..
2016-01-21T11:59:37 < dongs> i'd say i read a .map file for a project at least few times while working on it.
2016-01-21T12:00:55 < MightyPork> by "visualise" I meant make a visual representation of the sizes
2016-01-21T12:01:07 < MightyPork> want to check how much space is left in ram, whats taking how much, etc
2016-01-21T12:01:38 < zyp> dongs, idk, I guess I just don't care because I haven't ran into any size problems yet :p
2016-01-21T12:02:03 < zyp> so far I think my largest firmware is on the order of 10k flash :p
2016-01-21T12:02:26 < MightyPork> never even had a stack-heap collision?
2016-01-21T12:02:39 < MightyPork> I seem to get it far too often
2016-01-21T12:02:57 < dongs> my stack/heap is handled by keil
2016-01-21T12:03:10 < dongs> i can click a wizard to increase stack size!11
2016-01-21T12:03:16 < zyp> I don't have a heap
2016-01-21T12:03:30 < MightyPork> wut. how do you malloc?
2016-01-21T12:03:36 < zyp> I don't
2016-01-21T12:03:45 < zyp> my usb stack works completely without dynamic memory
2016-01-21T12:04:45 < dongs> ya wut, malloc no
2016-01-21T12:04:57 < MightyPork> hm. I used to do the same, but the static buffers floating all over the place aren't very pleasant
2016-01-21T12:05:01 < ReadError> in general, what kind of sustained throughput could one expect for SD card writes (f1 or so)
2016-01-21T12:05:15 < dongs> lol, stonererror cloning retardation
2016-01-21T12:05:25 < zyp> ReadError, with a decent enough card, interface speed should be the bottleneck
2016-01-21T12:05:31 < ReadError> nah ive just heard very mixed things
2016-01-21T12:05:51 < zyp> emphasis on decent
2016-01-21T12:05:58 < zyp> otherwise it's all up to the card
2016-01-21T12:06:07 < ReadError> yea I run cheap/decentish samsungs
2016-01-21T12:06:52 < zyp> also depends how efficient your software is
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2016-01-21T12:07:33 < zyp> do you double buffer so that you can prepare data while the card is processing data, or do you interleave preparation and transfer?
2016-01-21T12:07:58 < zyp> hmm, I have some fun LA traces somewhere
2016-01-21T12:08:25 < ReadError> ive not gotten that far, looking in to the FATFS stuff now
2016-01-21T12:08:38 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/f/e16v1.png <- here's writes on a shitty card
2016-01-21T12:09:17 < zyp> CK idle means mcu is busy otherwise, data on all lines is the actual transfer, D0 low is card busy
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2016-01-21T12:10:29 < zyp> random noname china card, IIRC
2016-01-21T12:11:11 < ReadError> ever seen some type of flash fat implementation?
2016-01-21T12:11:25 < zyp> hmm?
2016-01-21T12:11:25 < ReadError> that presents itself as USB storage
2016-01-21T12:11:32 < zyp> uh, what?
2016-01-21T12:11:37 < dongs> ...
2016-01-21T12:11:37 < dongs> wut
2016-01-21T12:11:42 < zyp> USB storage is block level
2016-01-21T12:11:45 < dongs> ReadError: just fuck off and go on china holiday
2016-01-21T12:11:54 < ReadError> right it would have to be emulated
2016-01-21T12:11:57 < dongs> or chat wiht your clueless buddies in multirotors
2016-01-21T12:12:04 < zyp> there's no USB standard on a file system level (apart from PTP/MTP shit)
2016-01-21T12:12:13 < ReadError> yea i know
2016-01-21T12:14:18 < jpa-> ReadError: i'd say that pretty much all cards can do 2MByte/s or better when written continuously or >4kB blocks, but there can be pauses up to 200ms or so
2016-01-21T12:14:37 < zyp> yeah, I only did 512B sectors
2016-01-21T12:14:41 < jpa-> so to actually be able to store data at 2Mbyte/s, you'd need to have 400kB of buffer ram
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2016-01-21T12:15:10 < ReadError> yea, I was wondering just like sustained/reliable rate
2016-01-21T12:15:13 < ReadError> without hiccups
2016-01-21T12:15:17 < jpa-> there is no such
2016-01-21T12:15:20 < zyp> jpa-, can't you stream the blocks?
2016-01-21T12:15:33 < jpa-> zyp: yes, you can, and that helps
2016-01-21T12:15:56 < jpa-> but with fatfs etc. it is a bit difficult, especially if you want to leave filesystem in somewhat reasonable state on power cut
2016-01-21T12:16:00 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-21T12:16:19 < dongs> < jpa-> ReadError: i'd say that pretty much all cards can do 2MByte/s or better when written continuously or >4kB blocks, but there can be pauses up to 200ms or so
2016-01-21T12:16:23 < dongs> you need ZanoOS
2016-01-21T12:16:24 < jpa-> ReadError: no matter how slowly you write, after some blocks the SD card just decides "wait a moment, i need to erase a sector"
2016-01-21T12:16:28 < dongs> it can store 1080p mjpeg on any class10 card
2016-01-21T12:16:33 < dongs> wiht 420k ram buffer
2016-01-21T12:16:48 < ReadError> jpa- so would flash be a better option?
2016-01-21T12:17:05 < PeterM> dongs, atleast reedman things you can
2016-01-21T12:17:07 < ReadError> I just like the convience of being able to pull an SD card and grab stuff quick
2016-01-21T12:17:12 < jpa-> ReadError: well, there it is you who decides when to erase, but unless you can erase everything ahead of time you'll still have the pauses
2016-01-21T12:17:35 < jpa-> ReadError: SD card works great, you just need the buffer space so plan for it; how much, it depends on data rate
2016-01-21T12:17:57 < ReadError> but if I could present it as a mass storage device and do some type of conversion for download that would be nice too
2016-01-21T12:19:07 < jpa-> annoying thing with sd cards is that there is no specified maximum for the pauses
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2016-01-21T12:19:38 < jpa-> typically they are less than 10ms, like zyp's capture shows; but i have seen 50ms pauses and some people have said they've seen 100ms etc.
2016-01-21T12:22:53 < ReadError> yea pauses not a big deal as long as I can buffer enough I guess
2016-01-21T12:32:31 < dongs> stoner, nobody wants your shitty cloned SD datalogger
2016-01-21T12:32:49 < dongs> when was the last time you innovated something and not just stole someone elses design?
2016-01-21T12:32:53 < dongs> oh, right.
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2016-01-21T12:35:21 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/SRMCQWN.jpg innovated
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2016-01-21T12:39:39 < karlp> dongs: nice work, did you do the 3d work and the printer driving as well? or do you have a tame mech monkey in the office for that?
2016-01-21T12:40:07 < dongs> karlp: clonerguy came here last week and brought the printer hes cloning. so i have it here for random dicking
2016-01-21T12:40:18 < dongs> cadguy did the 3d modeling
2016-01-21T12:40:21 < dongs> i just pressed 'print'
2016-01-21T12:41:44 < ReadError> what kinda printer m8
2016-01-21T12:42:05 < ReadError> dongs nobody needs my logger, i just want it for myself or whoever wants to make one
2016-01-21T12:42:17 < ReadError> like a swiss army logger
2016-01-21T12:42:34 < ReadError> maybe a few nice ADC and a couple serial inputs
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2016-01-21T13:00:51 < qyx> jpa-: when I tried last, 200ms buffer was not enough
2016-01-21T13:00:58 < qyx> although it was some noname sd card
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2016-01-21T13:02:50 < dongs> readstoner, you dont need it, infact you dont need any of the shit you clone, its all just for "personal use" but ends up being useless cloner shit
2016-01-21T13:09:08 < ReadError> s/need/want
2016-01-21T13:09:10 < ReadError> whats it matter
2016-01-21T13:09:32 < dongs> the problem is you're not improving the sitaution
2016-01-21T13:09:41 < dongs> you're like banggood of innovation
2016-01-21T13:09:47 < dongs> you just clone and stifle real innovation
2016-01-21T13:09:55 < ReadError> wtf is this a clone of
2016-01-21T13:10:00 < dongs> nobody wants to make cool shit around you
2016-01-21T13:10:04 < dongs> because you just steal ideas and clone
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2016-01-21T13:10:18 < jpa-> stealing ideas is good
2016-01-21T13:10:24 < ReadError> lol what are you talking about
2016-01-21T13:10:25 < jpa-> so is cloning
2016-01-21T13:11:31 < dongs> so is stoning
2016-01-21T13:15:49 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/pB2NTGF.jpg < clonerprinter karlp
2016-01-21T13:16:23 < dongs> (name masked to protect from readstoner)
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2016-01-21T13:27:49 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZNWOoGWAAA3noy.jpg:large
2016-01-21T13:28:10 < ReadError> why do you keep calling me a cloner, i dont get it
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2016-01-21T13:35:40 < karlp> dongs: was just a bit jealous at how fast you managed to chrun out botht he hardware design and the mech so fast :)
2016-01-21T13:36:04 < dongs> gotta beat cloners like ReadError to market
2016-01-21T13:36:08 < dongs> its a necessity
2016-01-21T13:37:08 < ReadError> lol i dont give a shit about double penetration adapters
2016-01-21T13:37:10 < ReadError> my shit works fine
2016-01-21T13:47:28 < dongs> damn
2016-01-21T13:47:32 < dongs> my F103CB datasheet was 2 years old
2016-01-21T13:47:38 < dongs> time to update my cache
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2016-01-21T14:18:16 < dongs> does anyone besides R2PRO use SAM4S?
2016-01-21T14:24:11 < dongs> the chip selector in cube mx is actually absolutely great
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2016-01-21T14:40:29 < Sync> hmmm pfft
2016-01-21T14:40:41 < Sync> now the thing junps infront of the vector table and hangs there
2016-01-21T14:46:37 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1453311234585.webm
2016-01-21T14:49:56 < MightyPork> sync u still trying to set up that dma stuff?
2016-01-21T14:50:12 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/Design-Product-9407190/
2016-01-21T14:51:06 < Sync> yup MightyPork
2016-01-21T14:54:21 < Laurenceb> http://8ch.net/n/res/272451.html#q272902
2016-01-21T14:54:28 < Laurenceb> truth
2016-01-21T14:54:35 < MightyPork> funny how much weird shit you can find in the libopencm3 code
2016-01-21T14:54:58 < MightyPork> looks like nobody ever used some parts
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2016-01-21T14:59:55 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Linux/RCA-Video-PAL-input-module/ attn readcloner
2016-01-21T14:59:58 < dongs> thats your projk
2016-01-21T15:11:40 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1453379643862.jpg
2016-01-21T15:16:47 < mitrax> Laurenceb: uh?
2016-01-21T15:17:14 < Laurenceb> think about it :P
2016-01-21T15:17:18 < mitrax> Laurenceb: i'm not sure i get the point, DeGrasse Tyson never said that
2016-01-21T15:18:48 < mitrax> dongs: still waiting for confirmation sorry :( i'll poke my collegue
2016-01-21T15:18:53 < dongs> nop roblme
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2016-01-21T16:11:44 < trepidacious> Anyone know if there's such a thing as a "bad" network cable for testing ethernet hardware? I'm thinking of a special cable that would have the worst possible impedance etc. but that should still work with good ethernet electronics?
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2016-01-21T16:23:43 < englishman> coathangers
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2016-01-21T16:38:00 < trepidacious> englishman: Ah yeah, with some dung to make a better connection
2016-01-21T16:38:55 < englishman> maybe get some cat5 and untwist the pairs
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2016-01-21T16:42:40 < dongs> probably s ome kidna attenuator plug
2016-01-21T16:44:32 < dongs> i only see that shit for fiber
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2016-01-21T16:46:51 < trepidacious> I'll try googling attenuator
2016-01-21T16:47:00 < dongs> i did, didnt find much
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2016-01-21T16:48:37 < dongs> http://www.google.com/patents/US8225143
2016-01-21T16:52:56 < dongs> buy a 500meter spool, crimp plugs on both ends
2016-01-21T16:53:00 < dongs> if your shit works there, youre done
2016-01-21T16:53:26 < dongs> proceed using the spool for the rest of your life for making patch cables
2016-01-21T16:54:00 < dongs> we did some ethernet tv signal tester shit here recently, layout dude just copied some china evalboard schematic + randomly laid shit out and called it done
2016-01-21T16:54:21 < dongs> stm32f4 + iforget what phy
2016-01-21T16:54:23 < dongs> some cheap TI thing
2016-01-21T16:54:34 < dongs> DP83whateversomethingorother J
2016-01-21T16:55:30 < karlp> MightyPork: what weird corner of libopencm3 did you find now? :)
2016-01-21T16:56:27 < zyp> I think that ethernet thing I did worked just fine
2016-01-21T16:56:35 < zyp> didn't hear any complaints at least
2016-01-21T16:56:38 < dongs> I think at 100M its pretty hard to fuckup
2016-01-21T16:56:50 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-21T16:56:51 < dongs> you could literally do it over coat hangers and it'll still work
2016-01-21T16:57:46 < zyp> I remember I ran a long cable somewhere as a kid, and then somebody managed to cut it by accident
2016-01-21T16:58:02 < zyp> so I just twisted together the ends that were cut off, and it worked again
2016-01-21T16:58:27 < zyp> looked ugly as fuck, but worked just fine
2016-01-21T16:59:45 < kakimir> what is wrong with my computers
2016-01-21T16:59:58 < kakimir> waked it up and it's totally shit
2016-01-21T17:00:33 < kakimir> like there was some serious input output load
2016-01-21T17:00:35 < qyx> yeah, twisting and such works
2016-01-21T17:00:45 < qyx> but I used to have problems with 150m lengths
2016-01-21T17:02:59 < zyp> well, it's only rated for 100m
2016-01-21T17:03:23 < zyp> if you need more, I'd just run fiber
2016-01-21T17:03:28 < zyp> fiber gear is cheap as fuck nowadays
2016-01-21T17:04:19 < qyx> yep, it was ~10y ago
2016-01-21T17:07:38 < gxti> 100M != 100m
2016-01-21T17:07:52 < gxti> o never mind. i'm confused about you being confused.
2016-01-21T17:07:58 < dongs> loldongs
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2016-01-21T17:13:07 < kakimir> reboot fixed
2016-01-21T17:14:40 < gxti> reboot fixes everything, just ask windows expert mr. dongs
2016-01-21T17:14:50 < kakimir> is clock line only line that can be inverted in spi?
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2016-01-21T17:15:23 < qyx> no
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2016-01-21T17:15:46 < gxti> you can invert the data lines using an extra special language feature called ~
2016-01-21T17:15:50 < qyx> or maybe yes if you ask that way
2016-01-21T17:15:55 < qyx> https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=spi+modes
2016-01-21T17:16:17 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-21T17:16:38 < kakimir> doing that but there may not even be any definition which way high and low are?
2016-01-21T17:16:50 < kakimir> that may even be per slave option
2016-01-21T17:18:09 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-21T17:18:19 < kakimir> I know these modes
2016-01-21T17:20:22 < trepidacious> dongs: Yup I also failed google :) I think a long cable is probably the best, yup.
2016-01-21T17:21:14 < trepidacious> I think if there's a problem it's just an individual board manufacturing thing rather than a design problem
2016-01-21T17:21:28 < kakimir> qyx: that didn't answer anything
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2016-01-21T17:21:46 < trepidacious> Time to get some awful quality long cables on ebay :)
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2016-01-21T17:23:02 < kakimir> okay.. how about this.. in stm32 does high logic voltage level equal bit-1 in spi?
2016-01-21T17:23:57 < kakimir> I assume that stm32 has even per channel invert bits in addition to bells and whistless
2016-01-21T17:28:01 < emeb> 1=High, there are no selectable inverters in the SPI path.
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2016-01-21T17:29:48 < Laurenceb> STM32F769/779 is new?
2016-01-21T17:29:53 < Laurenceb> hardware JPEG
2016-01-21T17:30:07 < Laurenceb> inb4 new zano
2016-01-21T17:30:14 < kakimir> that's what I wanted to hear.. there seems to be no mention of output levels in lpc data sheets
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2016-01-21T17:36:59 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_gUE74YVos
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2016-01-21T17:45:21 < kakimir> if you enable interrupts in end of function
2016-01-21T17:45:56 < kakimir> is there enought time to leave function before interrupt kicks in?
2016-01-21T17:46:53 < kakimir> and what would be optimum place to enable interrupts if you want the least work for core?
2016-01-21T17:47:14 < kakimir> after leaving function in mother function?
2016-01-21T17:55:15 < kakimir> how many clocks from enable_IRQ pending request can be processed?
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2016-01-21T17:56:13 < kakimir> or how many clock cycles of instructions are executed before begin of any interrupt process?
2016-01-21T17:59:25 < kakimir> just thinking if I can head start with enable_irq to time interrupt perfectly
2016-01-21T18:02:04 < Rob235> no idea
2016-01-21T18:02:16 < karlp> you're thinking too much again I think.
2016-01-21T18:02:28 < kakimir> obiviously I want to pending interrupt happen just before exit of function
2016-01-21T18:03:12 < kakimir> because you dont want to do back and forth stuff
2016-01-21T18:03:49 < kakimir> or do I gain anything
2016-01-21T18:04:36 < kakimir> it pushes it all to stack
2016-01-21T18:06:43 < Laurenceb> well I've had a related issue
2016-01-21T18:07:07 < Laurenceb> sometimes if you clear an interrupt at the very end of an ISR you can get reentry
2016-01-21T18:07:11 < mitrax> dongs: you there?
2016-01-21T18:07:20 < Laurenceb> due to delays and stuff
2016-01-21T18:07:42 < kakimir> hmm
2016-01-21T18:07:55 < PaulFertser> kakimir: just clear the pending flag on entry
2016-01-21T18:07:57 < kakimir> re-entry by same interrupt?
2016-01-21T18:08:01 < PaulFertser> Yes
2016-01-21T18:08:12 < Laurenceb> what paul said
2016-01-21T18:08:47 < kakimir> PaulFertser: you talking to laurance?
2016-01-21T18:09:29 < PaulFertser> kakimir: lol, no, to you.
2016-01-21T18:09:31 < kakimir> is there something broken if that happens Laurenceb ? optimizations off?
2016-01-21T18:09:44 < PaulFertser> kakimir: no, that's just normal, how Cortex-M works.
2016-01-21T18:10:42 < PaulFertser> kakimir: because we're talking about clearing a bit in a peripheral register, not in core. And that might take time. Do it late in the interrupt handler and you might reenter it because that periph bit access is delayed.
2016-01-21T18:10:43 < kakimir> so I clear flag on entry... I'm not in interrupt handler in this case
2016-01-21T18:11:03 < karlp> h, right, that's this too: http://false.ekta.is/2012/06/interrupt-service-routines-double-firing-on-stm32/
2016-01-21T18:11:07 < PaulFertser> kakimir: clear pending bit on interrupt handler entry.
2016-01-21T18:11:10 < karlp> most hit blog post :)
2016-01-21T18:11:17 < kakimir> wait I am
2016-01-21T18:11:33 < kakimir> function inlined to interupt handler
2016-01-21T18:13:12 < kakimir> I dont want to disable interrupts in it but only in inlined function
2016-01-21T18:13:33 < kakimir> that is last thing in handler
2016-01-21T18:17:39 < kakimir> http://pastebin.com/02mF07sS
2016-01-21T18:20:06 < MightyPork> karlp: latest find is the duplicate #defines in cm3/, nothing important :P
2016-01-21T18:20:40 < karlp> if you tell me about them, I can fix them, if you just mention it off hand here, nothing changes :)
2016-01-21T18:24:17 < MightyPork> it's in the mpu.h file, in qtcreator with clang model enabled, it's all highlighted as warning
2016-01-21T18:24:48 < MightyPork> MPU_RASR_ATTR_AP_PRO_URO, MPU_RASR_ATTR_SCB_SH_STRONG, MPU_RASR_ATTR_SCB_SH_DEVICE
2016-01-21T18:25:05 < MightyPork> doesn`t hurt anything I guess
2016-01-21T18:25:47 < MightyPork> oh, they are actually duplicates but with different values.
2016-01-21T18:26:23 < MightyPork> karlp ^
2016-01-21T18:28:02 < karlp> heh, fun.
2016-01-21T18:28:11 < karlp> someone tried encoding things into the names
2016-01-21T18:28:36 < karlp> the m3 TRM has duplicate entries in the AP field for privileged/user mode
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2016-01-21T18:31:32 < karlp> yeah, those are bad defines.
2016-01-21T18:31:43 < MightyPork> it's fine, I have no aspiration to use the MPU anyway, just stumbled upon it
2016-01-21T18:32:09 < karlp> well, I can at least file it now to be looked at. I can fix one of them, but no idea what the intention was on the SCB_SH ones,
2016-01-21T18:32:29 < karlp> that's someone trying to pretend that three single bit fields are a single multi bit field and makign up names for them
2016-01-21T18:35:34 < MightyPork> karlp it's clearly an attempt to encode this table http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0552a/BIHIIJDC.html
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2016-01-21T18:38:23 < MightyPork> maybe should've been done by some enum / function that handles the bits
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2016-01-21T18:43:50 < karlp> MightyPork: yeah, that's the doc I was reading.
2016-01-21T18:44:12 < karlp> the AP ones are sane, but the SCB defines are just bizzare.
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2016-01-21T18:44:56 < karlp> they don't even look right.
2016-01-21T18:45:10 < karlp> SH_STRONG is presumable sharable strong, and it has no bits set, not even the shareable bit.
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2016-01-21T18:50:49 < karlp> doh, my new sidekick codes like laurenceb.
2016-01-21T18:52:54 < zyp> nice
2016-01-21T18:57:37 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2016-01-21T18:58:05 < karlp> no spaces :)
2016-01-21T19:05:50 < Steffanx> Does he do mathlab karlp?
2016-01-21T19:06:12 < Steffanx> (Or octave)
2016-01-21T19:07:03 < kakimir> how many clocks external interrupt usually takes to trigger actual interrupt signal?
2016-01-21T19:07:20 < kakimir> lets say pin is NMI
2016-01-21T19:09:11 < Laurenceb> http://tosh.cc.com/blog/files/2014/09/UfukBebe.jpg
2016-01-21T19:10:55 < karlp> Steffanx: not that he's mentioned, he knew scipy though
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2016-01-21T19:25:39 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/SDGUfHJ.jpg
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2016-01-21T19:40:44 < kakimir> when interrupt comes
2016-01-21T19:40:52 < kakimir> what happens to flash access?
2016-01-21T19:41:05 < kakimir> does it cut fetch immidietelly?
2016-01-21T19:41:12 < kakimir> right at the tracks
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2016-01-21T19:44:40 < kakimir> or when does first interrupt fetch occur?
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2016-01-21T20:16:30 < kakimir> "Your customer account is pending activation. During this time the functionality of My Digi-Key will be limited."
2016-01-21T20:16:40 < kakimir> how long this usually takes?
2016-01-21T20:16:50 < zyp> wat
2016-01-21T20:19:17 < kakimir> no email
2016-01-21T20:19:23 < kakimir> I wonder if I failed something
2016-01-21T20:19:50 < Laurenceb> gopro spotted http://8ch.net/pol/src/1453394602332.png
2016-01-21T20:20:45 < karlp> caution not glamourous?
2016-01-21T20:21:43 < kakimir> look at that warrior
2016-01-21T20:22:23 < Laurenceb> I will make a note of the camera type to avoid in future
2016-01-21T20:33:31 < kakimir> this digikey currency system smells
2016-01-21T20:35:28 < kakimir> it doesn't care about my account country setting and if I go backwards it resets currency
2016-01-21T20:36:46 < kakimir> wait... account is not logged in as I change country
2016-01-21T20:37:08 < zyp> worksforme
2016-01-21T20:38:46 < kakimir> need to try if accounts are per country
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2016-01-21T21:01:29 < Tectu> meh... cars...
2016-01-21T21:01:36 < kakimir> cant see cars
2016-01-21T21:01:53 < kakimir> women of dongs are blocking the view
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2016-01-21T21:05:07 < kakimir> what is you favourite solder?
2016-01-21T21:05:13 < kakimir> and mixture?
2016-01-21T21:05:35 < kakimir> I have something that has Sn50/Pb48.5/Cu1.5
2016-01-21T21:06:15 < kakimir> multicore flux activated
2016-01-21T21:07:12 < kakimir> *rosin activated
2016-01-21T21:09:39 < kakimir> that is uncommon mixture
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2016-01-21T21:20:04 < Tectu> kakimir, I only use   Sn60Pb40
2016-01-21T21:20:06 < Tectu> also, fuck rohs
2016-01-21T21:20:19 < Tectu> fuck superbia1 too
2016-01-21T21:22:10 < kakimir> who the fuck uses rohs?
2016-01-21T21:22:43 < kakimir> shoot yourself into the foot
2016-01-21T21:22:54 < celeron55> i use rohs because i sell stuff in the EU and i don't want unnecessary trouble
2016-01-21T21:23:09 < kakimir> well that
2016-01-21T21:23:19 < celeron55> any expensive solder works fine enough
2016-01-21T21:23:30 < kakimir> I would keep it only in production use
2016-01-21T21:23:50 < celeron55> not worth changing it all the time
2016-01-21T21:24:15 < upgrdman_> is there a difference between a cord and a cable? "power cord" "power cable" ... wtf
2016-01-21T21:27:50 < kakimir> I wonder how I have ended up with fifty fifty solder with copper in it?
2016-01-21T21:31:03 < kakimir> what is your favourite flux?
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2016-01-21T21:33:40 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solder#Solder_alloys nerd this stuff
2016-01-21T21:33:49 < kakimir> endless list of differend solders
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2016-01-21T21:43:46 < kakimir> so there is acid in my solder
2016-01-21T21:43:52 < kakimir> didn't know that
2016-01-21T21:45:37 < kakimir> activated means it has acid
2016-01-21T21:46:54 < Laurenceb> useful for soldering to stainless steel
2016-01-21T21:47:13 < kakimir> so it should always be activated
2016-01-21T21:47:20 < kakimir> how if I dont clean it off?
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2016-01-21T21:51:35 < kakimir> interesting feature
2016-01-21T21:51:37 < kakimir> sleep on exit
2016-01-21T21:55:14 < kakimir> means that program is purelly interrupt based and sleeps between interrupts
2016-01-21T21:55:44 < Laurenceb> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/519/405/734.jpg
2016-01-21T21:56:51 < kakimir> beard is nice in the winter
2016-01-21T21:57:05 < XTL> Always gets caught in zippers, though
2016-01-21T21:57:11 < kakimir> not that long
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2016-01-21T21:57:28 < kakimir> it doesnt need to be that long
2016-01-21T21:57:29 < zyp> XTL, stop sucking dicks and that problem will go away
2016-01-21T21:57:40 < kakimir> :D
2016-01-21T21:58:18 < XTL> And here I've been considering cutting it down a bit
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2016-01-21T23:19:34 < kakimir> fukken ctrl-s
2016-01-21T23:19:54 < kakimir> did I miss important chats?
2016-01-21T23:20:19 < Steffanx> Yes.
2016-01-21T23:22:38 < kakimir> hah you can follow chats without client from logs
2016-01-21T23:23:19 < Steffanx> but hte logs are filtered.
2016-01-21T23:23:28 < Steffanx> Some poeple dont end up in the logs.
2016-01-21T23:23:51 < kakimir> ghosts
2016-01-21T23:24:00 < kakimir> ghost hackers
2016-01-21T23:25:38 < kakimir> they move in internets without being seen by machine sensor
2016-01-21T23:30:27 < kakimir> I try to figure the least expensive way to toggle pin state
2016-01-21T23:32:10 < kakimir> if there was way without condition
2016-01-21T23:34:47 < kakimir> some combination of sum, bitsfith and mask or so
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2016-01-22T00:02:48 < kakimir> what do you think about generation of single function assemby with brute force evaluation?
2016-01-22T00:03:13 < kakimir> let it do it weird
2016-01-22T00:03:31 < karlp> so, is navspark just garbage gps stuff or what? http://navspark.mybigcommerce.com/navspark-mini-uart-to-usb-adapter/
2016-01-22T00:03:33 < Steffanx> Label: setbit; resetbit; goto Label .. Your fast toggle kakimir
2016-01-22T00:04:08 < kakimir> I dont use goto
2016-01-22T00:05:39 < Steffanx> 0,00. 50$ shipping costs karlp?
2016-01-22T00:07:00 < karlp> $10 apparently.
2016-01-22T00:07:05 < karlp> and no antenna
2016-01-22T00:07:39 < karlp> and who on earth uses this leon3 shit, I thought that was only swedish uni students doign soft cores, not people actually synthing it on asics, but whatevs
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2016-01-22T01:09:36 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/EmDrive/comments/3y2tfc/roger_shawyers_email_to_all_emdrive_builders/
2016-01-22T01:09:42 < Laurenceb_> Discovery channel confirmed
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2016-01-22T01:40:38 < karlp> heh, DIP all the things: http://oshchip.org/
2016-01-22T01:40:41 < Laurenceb_> https://privilegegrant.com/
2016-01-22T01:41:38 < Laurenceb_> energy micro?
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2016-01-22T01:59:33 < kakimir> nordic?
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2016-01-22T02:07:26 < Laurenceb_> oh
2016-01-22T02:07:41 < Laurenceb_> does it have arm with integrated bluetooth?
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2016-01-22T02:11:12 < kakimir> https://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/Products/Bluetooth-Smart-Bluetooth-low-energy/nRF51822
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2016-01-22T02:33:40 < kakimir> does it match?
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2016-01-22T02:43:39 < kakimir> it does bruh
2016-01-22T02:44:03 < kakimir> https://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/Products/Bluetooth-Smart-Bluetooth-low-energy/nRF51822'
2016-01-22T02:44:06 < kakimir> https://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/Products/Bluetooth-Smart-Bluetooth-low-energy/nRF51822
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2016-01-22T02:55:39 < upgrdman> dongs, serious question, is this common in .jp?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u-kGYCA3Zg
2016-01-22T02:59:46 < dongs> whats the tldr
2016-01-22T02:59:51 < dongs> japs sitting in front of screen for hours?
2016-01-22T03:00:01 < upgrdman> poor japs living in internet cafes instead of real homes
2016-01-22T03:00:02 < dongs> this looks like some edgy vice shit
2016-01-22T03:00:04 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-22T03:00:29 < dongs> the startup  cost to get even a shitty apartment is too high
2016-01-22T03:00:39 < dongs> if you just need a place to jerk off, its easier to just move from netcafe to another
2016-01-22T03:00:54 < upgrdman> startup cost == deposit + first month's rent?
2016-01-22T03:00:58 < dongs> yes
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2016-01-22T03:04:05 < Sync> how is that even legal
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2016-01-22T03:40:37 < kakimir> full fukin moon
2016-01-22T03:40:58 < dongs> sup kikemir
2016-01-22T03:43:22 < kakimir> hello friend
2016-01-22T03:43:59 < dongs> thinking what to assburger today
2016-01-22T03:44:07 < dongs> waiting for IR lamp to arrive for my reflow shit
2016-01-22T03:44:10 < dongs> and zyp's parts
2016-01-22T03:44:34 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/szlhxFR.jpg
2016-01-22T03:44:47 < dongs> muslims of the world approve
2016-01-22T03:46:02 < kakimir> that is my style
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2016-01-22T03:48:33 < upgrdman> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2be_1453381313
2016-01-22T03:49:09 < dongs> gay, literally
2016-01-22T03:53:29 < kakimir> this proofs gayness
2016-01-22T03:53:34 < kakimir> is real
2016-01-22T03:54:10 < kakimir> can you recommend movie for the night?
2016-01-22T03:57:09 < dongs> hard candy
2016-01-22T04:05:47 < kakimir> nah
2016-01-22T04:06:19 < kakimir> that male role looks like local dude that has some tendencies
2016-01-22T04:15:41 < Laurenceb_> lol hard candy
2016-01-22T04:16:08 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_the_United_Kingdom
2016-01-22T04:16:10 < Laurenceb_> there you go
2016-01-22T04:18:32 < Laurenceb_> haha
2016-01-22T04:18:43 < Laurenceb_> "Banned from Television"
2016-01-22T04:18:50 < Laurenceb_> and it was
2016-01-22T04:21:15 < kakimir> how can you ban anything in internet age
2016-01-22T04:21:34 < kakimir> the shit is rigth there when you open you tor browser
2016-01-22T04:21:46 < kakimir> like all normal people do
2016-01-22T04:22:07 < kakimir> they watch gore all day
2016-01-22T04:22:36 < kakimir> japanise gore
2016-01-22T04:32:43 < jadew> funny what kind of stuff gets banned when you allow people to ban what other people can watch
2016-01-22T04:32:53 < jadew> "Submitted to and refused a certificate by the British Board of Film Censors in 1933, 1951, and 1957, primarily due to concerns over footage and dialogue references to vivisection."
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2016-01-22T04:33:39 < jadew> we did vivisection in secondary school
2016-01-22T04:33:58 < jadew> hey
2016-01-22T04:34:25 < jadew> trying to gather my powers to start a big project
2016-01-22T04:35:21 < jadew> you're doing something wrong
2016-01-22T04:35:40 < jadew> invalidation should happen as a result of changed data
2016-01-22T04:35:47 < kakimir> jadew: you can prepare for real big project
2016-01-22T04:35:51 < kakimir> can't
2016-01-22T04:36:03 < kakimir> you can prepare for big little project
2016-01-22T04:36:06 < jadew> kakimir, sure I can, I do them all the time :)
2016-01-22T04:36:20 < kakimir> you can just get started
2016-01-22T04:36:33 < jadew> data changes => invalidate. System calls onpaint whenever
2016-01-22T04:36:57 < jadew> well, that's how it should work
2016-01-22T04:38:51 < jadew> R2COM, doesn't sound right
2016-01-22T04:39:09 < jadew> you have some (data)
2016-01-22T04:39:20 < jadew> when (data) changes, the view has to be notified
2016-01-22T04:39:22 < jadew> that's it
2016-01-22T04:40:55 < jadew> I see, well in that case invalidating OnIdle sounds like a good idea
2016-01-22T04:41:28 < jadew> well invalidating from the OnPaint() event sounds really bad
2016-01-22T04:41:34 < jadew> I don't even know what the implications are
2016-01-22T04:41:50 < jadew> but after OnPaint, the region should be valid
2016-01-22T04:42:46 < jadew> yeah, if that's what you're after, but I still think there's something odd about what you're trying to do
2016-01-22T04:42:56 < dongs> whats odd about it
2016-01-22T04:42:57 < jadew> generally you don't want to re-paint, regardless...
2016-01-22T04:43:16 < jadew> having a bit of trouble trying to figure out when you would want to do that
2016-01-22T04:43:49 < jadew> are you having something that's constantly changing in the background and you don't get notifications?
2016-01-22T04:44:08 < jadew> I see
2016-01-22T04:44:24 < dongs> er R2PRO
2016-01-22T04:44:34 < dongs> why not just invalidate when you have fresh data to draw
2016-01-22T04:44:52 < jadew> that's why I'm asking
2016-01-22T04:44:58 < dongs> forget onidle thing
2016-01-22T04:45:03 < dongs> just dont override it at all
2016-01-22T04:45:03 < jadew> sometimes the cost of checking if the data is fresh might be higher than just re-drawing it
2016-01-22T04:45:08 < jadew> but I don't think that's the case here
2016-01-22T04:53:20 < jadew> I hate it when I want to work but I'm too tired to do that...
2016-01-22T04:53:40 < jadew> and not in the mood to sleep either
2016-01-22T04:53:58 < Rob235> I feel like I've been that way the past couple days
2016-01-22T04:54:03 < Rob235> haha
2016-01-22T04:55:02 < jadew> I should watch a movie
2016-01-22T04:55:41 < jadew> I haven't seen many romanian movies
2016-01-22T04:55:52 < jadew> I remember one that was pretty good
2016-01-22T04:55:58 < jadew> Filantropica
2016-01-22T04:56:05 < jadew> if you're ever curious
2016-01-22T04:56:40 < jadew> I don't know, I think what constitues quality in porn differs from person to person
2016-01-22T04:56:47 < jadew> it's a secret
2016-01-22T04:57:01 < jadew> for now
2016-01-22T04:57:16 < Rob235> will it blow me?
2016-01-22T04:57:40 < Rob235> ::raises hand::
2016-01-22T04:58:04 < jadew> don't know, but it will at least help me a lot
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2016-01-22T05:01:19 < dongs> new dickstarter?
2016-01-22T05:01:24 < jadew> nah
2016-01-22T05:04:07 < jadew> dickstarters are pointless anyway if you're not ready to bullshit your customers
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2016-01-22T07:00:45 < dongs> nice
2016-01-22T07:00:51 < dongs> at least the front panel doesnt look like a fucking cock
2016-01-22T07:03:58 < dongs> R2COM: lemme know when you buying
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2016-01-22T07:06:14 < dongs> lol the range extender version is funny
2016-01-22T07:06:21 < dongs> there's a 2 cylinder petrol engine to generate electricity
2016-01-22T07:06:53 < PeterM> wut
2016-01-22T07:07:09 < PeterM> why not replace gas engine and accessroies with moar batteries
2016-01-22T07:07:18 < PeterM> for a range extension version...
2016-01-22T07:08:59 < PeterM> yeah, i drive around 120km a day and im certyainly not a city driver
2016-01-22T07:09:17 < PeterM> yeah
2016-01-22T07:10:15 < PeterM> see this bugs me
2016-01-22T07:10:27 < PeterM> why do electric cars haveto look different to nmormal cars
2016-01-22T07:10:44 < PeterM> can't my bmwi look jsut like a bmw m3
2016-01-22T07:11:40 < PeterM> it doesn't look bad, i just dont see why it has to look different
2016-01-22T07:11:52 < PeterM> shit woulkd be a pain to wash/detail
2016-01-22T07:12:20 < PeterM> so many weird curves and areas for dirt/dust to collect
2016-01-22T07:13:20 < PeterM> yeah
2016-01-22T07:13:45 < PeterM> i think topgear did an episode on this car a while ago
2016-01-22T07:14:05 < PeterM> 0 facts in topgear but atleast you can see interior and stuff
2016-01-22T07:14:17 < PeterM> it looked nice, but not my kind of car
2016-01-22T07:14:42 < PeterM> wasd rite
2016-01-22T07:15:04 < PeterM> pwm your a/d keys for analog like turning performance
2016-01-22T07:16:41 < dongs> tesla s looks fucking awful
2016-01-22T07:16:56 < dongs> tesla x looks ok but again, fuck that price + fuck interior
2016-01-22T07:17:13 < dongs> http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/tesla-model-x-at-2013-detroit-auto-show_100415434_m.jpg
2016-01-22T07:17:18 < dongs> this is fucking awful
2016-01-22T07:17:29 < dongs> just a giant fucking ipad in the center console
2016-01-22T07:17:30 < dongs> what hte fuck
2016-01-22T07:24:04 < englishman> haha BMW i3 is slower than a shopping cart
2016-01-22T07:25:08 < englishman> 7+ second to 100kmh
2016-01-22T07:25:20 < englishman> And only 18kWh wat
2016-01-22T07:25:24 < englishman> For that price
2016-01-22T07:26:10 < englishman> It needs to be half the price
2016-01-22T07:26:29 < englishman> 42k for a car with <100 moving parts
2016-01-22T07:26:42 < englishman> Fuck the onboard motor
2016-01-22T07:27:13 < englishman> Adding weight and fuel to an electric car, oh yeah awesome
2016-01-22T07:27:42 < englishman> its a street legal golf cart
2016-01-22T07:28:01 < dongs> er wat, i8 is plug in hybrid
2016-01-22T07:28:04 < dongs> there's an engine there.
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2016-01-22T07:56:23 < dongs> you just want gas
2016-01-22T07:56:24 < dongs> hissing
2016-01-22T07:56:28 < dongs> while jews are inside
2016-01-22T07:56:29 < dongs> i bet.
2016-01-22T07:56:46 < celeron55> who wouldn't
2016-01-22T07:56:55 < celeron55> except for the jews
2016-01-22T07:57:28 < celeron55> i'm also sick of electric versions of cars that insist on looking as different as possible
2016-01-22T07:57:45 < celeron55> if i buy an electric car, i don't buy it because i want others to see i have an electric car
2016-01-22T07:57:48 < celeron55> i buy it for myself
2016-01-22T07:59:05 < celeron55> volkswagen almost gets it with their e-golf
2016-01-22T07:59:39 < dongs> zyp got e-golf
2016-01-22T07:59:39 < celeron55> it's fully electric
2016-01-22T07:59:50 < dongs> soon he will be reviewing it
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2016-01-22T08:00:40 < celeron55> it's pretty much the same as all the non-teslas
2016-01-22T08:01:01 < dongs> 150 with 2cyl engine
2016-01-22T08:01:02 < dongs> you kike
2016-01-22T08:01:08 < dongs> 81 with electric only
2016-01-22T08:01:40 < dongs> and fucing e-golf is 83
2016-01-22T08:01:42 < celeron55> i would just wait for the tesla model 3 if i wanted an electric car as soon as possible
2016-01-22T08:01:45 < dongs> and 1/2 the price of bmw i3
2016-01-22T08:01:47 < dongs> ownt
2016-01-22T08:02:26 < dongs> Purchase for as low as
2016-01-22T08:02:26 < dongs> $21,4956
2016-01-22T08:02:26 < dongs> After $7,500 Federal Tax Credi
2016-01-22T08:02:42 < dongs> the last 6 is extra
2016-01-22T08:02:44 < dongs> retarded superscript
2016-01-22T08:03:37 < celeron55> why would e-golf be awd?
2016-01-22T08:03:52 < celeron55> that would, like, increase the cost
2016-01-22T08:04:49 < dongs> probly fwd
2016-01-22T08:04:52 < dongs> like all the trash cars?
2016-01-22T08:04:55 < dongs> why would it need awd anyway
2016-01-22T08:04:59 < celeron55> http://media.vw.com/doc/1142/2015_volkswagen_e-golf_versatile_fun-to-drive_and_with_zero_tailpipe_emissions-2015_e-golf_specifications-88829706253fe01587e9c3.pdf
2016-01-22T08:05:17 < celeron55> fwd it is
2016-01-22T08:05:27 < celeron55> just buy proper tires
2016-01-22T08:06:40 < dongs> lol i3 is at the bottom of all EV models ever sold
2016-01-22T08:06:43 < dongs> by numbers
2016-01-22T08:06:47 < dongs> http://www.autoblog.com/2016/01/14/tesla-model-s-2015-ev-sales-report/
2016-01-22T08:07:32 < celeron55> R2COM: no new design is the whole point of e-golf
2016-01-22T08:07:51 < celeron55> well you are
2016-01-22T08:08:12 < celeron55> these car manufacturers have some other potential customers than yourself i guess
2016-01-22T08:13:22 < dongs> R2COM: that kit is like $50 from ebay
2016-01-22T08:13:25 < dongs> jesus fucking christ you stoner
2016-01-22T08:13:34 < dongs> and $50 is for like a pro one
2016-01-22T08:13:39 < dongs> yes
2016-01-22T08:17:30 < celeron55> looks like this is £250 for the e-golf: "Parking pack - park assist, rear view camera amp; multifunction colour display (multifunction colour display already standard on GTE, GTD, GTI and R models)."
2016-01-22T08:17:39 < celeron55> dunno what that actually means though but may R2COM knows
2016-01-22T08:17:43 < celeron55> maybe*
2016-01-22T08:17:47 < dongs> yeah its that
2016-01-22T08:17:59 < dongs> park assist shit is useless
2016-01-22T08:18:00 < celeron55> (i drive an early 90s car; couldn't care less for any of that)
2016-01-22T08:18:03 < dongs> i dont think i ever used that in my car
2016-01-22T08:18:15 < dongs> if you dont know how to park just ufck off and dont drive
2016-01-22T08:18:44 < dongs> sure, its handy
2016-01-22T08:19:52 < dongs> toyota stuff does it. even cheapshit cams arent so bad now
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2016-01-22T10:30:58 < timemob> dongs
2016-01-22T10:31:18 < mitrax> hey :) just answered your email
2016-01-22T10:33:42 < timemob> ya
2016-01-22T10:34:23 < zyp> 06:59:39 < dongs> zyp got e-golf
2016-01-22T10:34:30 < zyp> ordered, still a while before I get it
2016-01-22T10:34:30 < timemob> and replied. I'll have stuff made soon
2016-01-22T10:34:44 < timemob> yes by got I mean getting
2016-01-22T10:34:54 < zyp> VW guy called me the other day, said they have started assembling it now
2016-01-22T10:35:02 < timemob> cuz next line I said review soon
2016-01-22T10:35:14 < zyp> haha, fair
2016-01-22T10:35:30 < zyp> I did a 600km test drive in one though
2016-01-22T10:35:55 < mitrax> dongs: got it, thanks a lot!
2016-01-22T10:36:04 < zyp> borrowed one from the dealership over newyears, went to visit friends 300km away
2016-01-22T10:36:12 < mitrax> zyp: how much is it?
2016-01-22T10:36:32 < zyp> I'm paying around 290k NOK
2016-01-22T10:37:53 < mitrax> and it can do 600km? that's impressive
2016-01-22T10:38:14 < zyp> haha, not on one charge, no
2016-01-22T10:38:26 < mitrax> ahah ok
2016-01-22T10:38:28 < zyp> but there's plenty of fast chargers around here
2016-01-22T10:39:14 < mitrax> what's the maximum you did in one charge with the one you borrowed?
2016-01-22T10:39:47 < timemob> lol 600km
2016-01-22T10:40:17 < mitrax> although i guess you didn't wait for the battery to be drained out to recharge for the 300km trip
2016-01-22T10:40:18 < timemob> site said 83 freedom units
2016-01-22T10:41:22 < zyp> range seemed to be around 110km in the conditions I had, but that one didn't have heat pump based heating
2016-01-22T10:41:30 < timemob> many chargers also presents space problem
2016-01-22T10:41:37 < zyp> and it weren't preheated when I left either
2016-01-22T10:41:53 < zyp> and it was fairly cold
2016-01-22T10:42:07 < timemob> you can be in and out of gas station in a few minutes
2016-01-22T10:42:17 < zyp> I ordered with heat pump, and summer range should be even better
2016-01-22T10:42:24 < mitrax> okay
2016-01-22T10:43:32 < zyp> other people are talking about 170km range in summer with normal driving
2016-01-22T10:44:40 < timemob> when I go pickup shit at airport I need to drive 250/500km :(
2016-01-22T10:44:50 < timemob> no ev for me
2016-01-22T10:45:05 < zyp> a tesla could do that
2016-01-22T10:45:16 < timemob> and it looks awful
2016-01-22T10:45:20 < zyp> haha
2016-01-22T10:48:35 < timemob> oh zyp
2016-01-22T10:48:57 < timemob> your shit hasn't showed up either
2016-01-22T10:49:17 < zyp> heh
2016-01-22T10:49:30 < zyp> but it did ship?
2016-01-22T10:49:40 < timemob> apparently company name wasn't on invoice
2016-01-22T10:49:58 < timemob> so they forwarded it via jp post
2016-01-22T10:50:02 < timemob> yes
2016-01-22T10:50:03 < timemob> yes
2016-01-22T10:50:05 < zyp> haha
2016-01-22T10:50:24 < timemob> but that trash takes like 1.5 days from Osaka
2016-01-22T10:50:39 < timemob> so  . it's coming sometimes this evening I guess
2016-01-22T10:50:44 < zyp> okay
2016-01-22T10:51:24 < timemob> lots of fail lately
2016-01-22T10:51:34 < timemob> today was fail on fail literally
2016-01-22T10:51:40 < timemob> like 5 things wrong
2016-01-22T10:52:08 < zyp> heh
2016-01-22T10:58:13 < zyp> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/20/japan-to-drop-the-swastika-from-its-tourist-maps
2016-01-22T10:58:16 < zyp> haha
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2016-01-22T10:58:25 < crt> hi is dongs here
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2016-01-22T11:11:14 < timemob> ya
2016-01-22T11:11:21 < timemob> what's up
2016-01-22T11:12:39 < timemob> crt, beep
2016-01-22T11:13:12 < crt> just showing a friend zano
2016-01-22T11:13:21 < timemob> nice
2016-01-22T11:13:23 < crt> and how monumentally fucked it is
2016-01-22T11:13:31 < crt> also noflyzano.com is borked
2016-01-22T11:13:39 < timemob> how does yours fly
2016-01-22T11:13:42 < timemob> oh
2016-01-22T11:13:52 < crt> never bought it, fucktards might have though...
2016-01-22T11:13:57 < timemob> I let that shit expire
2016-01-22T11:14:04 < crt> fair cop
2016-01-22T11:14:15 < timemob> zano is ded
2016-01-22T11:14:26 < timemob> did you read the last medium write up
2016-01-22T11:14:34 < timemob> by that journo
2016-01-22T11:14:42 < crt> of course
2016-01-22T11:14:44 < timemob> it was all Ivan fault
2016-01-22T11:14:47 < crt> deadbeat duds
2016-01-22T11:14:54 < crt> surprised? no.
2016-01-22T11:15:25 < crt> he obviously didn't have a proper education.
2016-01-22T11:15:39 < crt> just reminds me of these fucking arduinofags thinking they can fly to the moon.
2016-01-22T11:16:24 < timemob> he had none. but neither do i
2016-01-22T11:16:42 < crt> guess you invoked commonsense.exe
2016-01-22T11:16:47 < timemob> and I at least deliver products
2016-01-22T11:17:00 < crt> tis the bottom line
2016-01-22T11:17:35 < crt> whats he think with a fucking GPS the drone is going to land on his shoulder?
2016-01-22T11:17:36 < timemob> he pulled bcb along for the ride, too
2016-01-22T11:17:45 < crt> i read and am not surprised
2016-01-22T11:17:52 < timemob> promising next week deliver something
2016-01-22T11:17:55 < crt> these types are _always_ repeat offenders
2016-01-22T11:17:55 < timemob> huhu
2016-01-22T11:18:00 < crt> ^
2016-01-22T11:18:10 < crt> it fucking pisses me off too
2016-01-22T11:18:24 < crt> there are so many little guys out there with the ability to deliver.
2016-01-22T11:18:29 < timemob> now you can't dickstart a drone
2016-01-22T11:18:44 < crt> heh
2016-01-22T11:19:07 < zyp> zano couldn't either, obviously
2016-01-22T11:19:20 < crt> yeah
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2016-01-22T11:20:26 < jpa-> "now you can't dickstart a drone" .. i actually wouldn't be at all surprised to see a zano2 funded at millions again
2016-01-22T11:21:02 < crt> apparently its already happening
2016-01-22T11:21:13 < crt> i just can't bare to click on the links and follow the sperg
2016-01-22T11:23:19 < crt> and the sperging cream-up-the-ass fucktard slickback stains just wipe their hands clean after promoting the garbage
2016-01-22T11:30:08 < timemob> ya micro drone 3 (china resell) and onagofly (str8 up china scam) filled zano forum with spam
2016-01-22T11:30:21 < timemob> both into millions
2016-01-22T11:30:24 < crt> haha good
2016-01-22T11:30:37 < crt> i don't like fucking phony cunts
2016-01-22T11:30:39 < timemob> reyars
2016-01-22T11:30:42 < timemob> err
2016-01-22T11:31:00 < timemob> retards
2016-01-22T11:31:17 < crt> these fuckstains really poison my bread and butter.
2016-01-22T11:32:37 < celeron55> maybe someone should start a company that would actually create working technology for those mini drones and then have all those dickstarted projects buy that instead of pouring their money in the drain
2016-01-22T11:33:01 < crt> that doesn't appeal to 'dumbcunt' unfortunately
2016-01-22T11:33:34 < celeron55> just make it arduino enough
2016-01-22T11:33:44 < crt> best to you all, nite.
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2016-01-22T11:36:11 < timemob> lol
2016-01-22T11:37:30 < timemob> Ivan should have paid me 20k gbp
2016-01-22T11:37:41 < timemob> to assemble 10 proto zanos
2016-01-22T11:38:52 < timemob> instead of whoever
2016-01-22T11:39:01 < timemob> what a fucking scam
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2016-01-22T11:41:34 < timemob> for 20k I'll hand deliver that shit
2016-01-22T11:43:38 < zyp> question from a pal; what's a super cheap mcu? "I need like 2 IO"
2016-01-22T11:45:01 < timemob> attiny in sot23-6
2016-01-22T11:45:04 < karlp> pics and avrs still have that market don't they? andprobably stm8?
2016-01-22T11:45:19 < timemob> amirite
2016-01-22T11:45:35 < zyp> yeah, attiny is what I guessed too
2016-01-22T11:45:54 < timemob> smallest stm8 is tssop20
2016-01-22T11:45:58 < ReadError> woh they make them in sot23-6?
2016-01-22T11:46:13 < timemob> fucking cloner wakes up
2016-01-22T11:46:15 < zyp> the impression I'm getting is that it's not about size, it's about price
2016-01-22T11:46:28 < ReadError> good morning dongs, I hope your day is going well
2016-01-22T11:46:28 < timemob> then stm8 probably
2016-01-22T11:46:44 < timemob> I forgot what we pay for tssop, it was really cheap tho
2016-01-22T11:46:55 < timemob> cheaper to switch from silabs 805@
2016-01-22T11:46:57 < timemob> 8051
2016-01-22T11:47:27 < jpa-> PIC10F200 is cheapest on digikey
2016-01-22T11:47:30 < jpa-> they are pretty nice :)
2016-01-22T11:47:47 < zyp> I doubt it :)
2016-01-22T11:47:53 < XTL> :)
2016-01-22T11:48:09 < jpa-> you can program them in lovely picasm :)
2016-01-22T11:48:26 < jpa-> heh, at 100 pcs, EFM8 is cheaper
2016-01-22T11:48:32 < zyp> w
2016-01-22T11:48:40 < karlp> efm8 is the rebadged old 8051 stuff right?
2016-01-22T11:48:42 < zyp> that's what I remember of picasm
2016-01-22T11:48:51 < XTL> And have your pick of two programmers that don't work
2016-01-22T11:48:56 < karlp> riding on the success of efm32 name
2016-01-22T11:49:08 < XTL> There's an efm8?
2016-01-22T11:49:14 < jpa-> https://svn.kapsi.fi/jpa/uunimittari/transmitter_sw/   you can refresh your memory here ;)
2016-01-22T11:49:28 < zyp> haha
2016-01-22T11:49:35 < XTL> Right, 51 it seems to be.
2016-01-22T11:55:14 < ReadError> btw
2016-01-22T11:55:16 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/NUCLEO-F746ZG/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvt1VFuCspEMrMRnD30RBzD70T%252bbCISK7k%3d
2016-01-22T11:55:29 < ReadError> dongs was all like "st making a delivery date, psssh"
2016-01-22T11:56:11 < zyp> haha
2016-01-22T11:57:58 < karlp> that's the one with both user usb _and_ ethernet right?
2016-01-22T11:58:25 < ReadError> ya
2016-01-22T11:59:22 < ReadError> they have em for the f2,f3,f4 also
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2016-01-22T12:53:04 < timemob> Latvian garbage setup
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2016-01-22T13:34:25 < dongs> backdongs
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2016-01-22T14:02:28 < mitrax> dongs: thanks, payment is sent
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2016-01-22T14:05:08 < dongs> ok, ill have it dropped to that place tomrorwo.
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2016-01-22T14:10:59 < mitrax> neat, there's no hurry though, in case you can't, monday is fine too
2016-01-22T14:11:59 < zyp> dongs, sent you shipping addrs for my shit
2016-01-22T14:12:41 < dongs> zyp, cool
2016-01-22T14:12:45 < dongs> your shit arrive  this evening
2016-01-22T14:12:49 < dongs> 'while i was dicking outside
2016-01-22T14:12:54 < zyp> nice
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2016-01-22T14:40:46 < kakimir> yo
2016-01-22T14:42:12 < Sync> lo
2016-01-22T14:45:50 < kakimir> http://visual6502.org/images/8565/Commodore_8565_die_shot_20x_1a_8500w.jpg
2016-01-22T14:46:00 < kakimir> cute thing
2016-01-22T14:49:37 < kakimir> http://visual6502.org/images/6502/6502_top_op10x_BF_4677.png
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2016-01-22T15:09:50 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq4Xsz2WZGw document about 70's silicon chips
2016-01-22T15:15:50 < kakimir> if robot warehouses were there in 70s
2016-01-22T15:16:01 < kakimir> and barcodereaders
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2016-01-22T15:26:38 < Sync> I like how almost nobody wears gloves there
2016-01-22T15:27:42 < kakimir> where
2016-01-22T15:28:29 < Sync> in the clean room
2016-01-22T15:28:36 < Sync> an almost no yield :d
2016-01-22T15:29:18 < kakimir> they barrelly wear anything compared to what it is nowdays
2016-01-22T15:29:46 < Sync> well, it is not really more today
2016-01-22T15:29:56 < kakimir> and propably people can just walk in how they want
2016-01-22T15:29:57 < Sync> mostly mouthguards and gloves
2016-01-22T15:30:02 < Sync> and that's it
2016-01-22T15:31:02 < kakimir> those facilities looks like typical office type of things
2016-01-22T15:34:18 < dongs> anyone worked with pcie x4 know what singals are all neded off hand
2016-01-22T15:34:47 < dongs> like im sure all the jtag etc shit isnt neded
2016-01-22T15:45:26 < qyx> no
2016-01-22T15:45:29 < qyx> what are you innovating?
2016-01-22T15:47:55 < kakimir> do you even innovate brah?
2016-01-22T15:48:43 < dongs> qyx, just an extender from M2 to x4 so I can innovate some pro dcinema boxes out of NUC
2016-01-22T15:48:50 < dongs> plugin jpeg2000 decoder thingy
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2016-01-22T15:51:51 < Sync> jpeg2000?
2016-01-22T15:51:52 < Sync> wat
2016-01-22T15:51:54 < Sync> it is 2016
2016-01-22T15:51:57 < Sync> who the fuck uses that shiet
2016-01-22T15:52:13 < dongs> bro
2016-01-22T15:52:15 < dongs> all the theaters
2016-01-22T15:52:40 < dongs> blocky shit you see in the theater = intraframe jpeg2000
2016-01-22T15:52:52 < dongs> at like 200mbit
2016-01-22T15:53:22 < Sync> huh
2016-01-22T15:53:25 < Sync> pro
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2016-01-22T15:54:39 < Sync> oh haha, that policecar is properly stuck
2016-01-22T15:55:07 < ReadError> ding dongs did you see that ST delivered on time
2016-01-22T15:55:15 < dongs> yes, and cared very little
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2016-01-22T16:03:38 < qyx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2Port-NGFF-M-2-B-M-Key-SSD-to-PCI-E-PCI-Express-4-4X-Lane-Adapter-Converter-Card-/351466972638?hash=item51d51065de:g:WGEAAOSw~gRVuFI3
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2016-01-22T16:03:41 < qyx> like this?
2016-01-22T16:03:51 < dongs> other way around but yeah
2016-01-22T16:03:51 < qyx> or different m.2 connector type is needed?
2016-01-22T16:04:08 < dongs> no, it plugs into m2 and ribbon cable out to x4 w/some power and junk
2016-01-22T16:04:20 < dongs> there isnt ognna be one like that, not for hceap anyway, and I'm gonna need a bunch
2016-01-22T16:04:47 < dongs> good thing about that ebay tho
2016-01-22T16:04:51 < dongs> is you can see all the connected pins
2016-01-22T16:04:52 < dongs> :D
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2016-01-22T16:09:20 < zyp> http://www.bplus.com.tw/ExtenderBoard/P4SM2.html
2016-01-22T16:09:34 < dongs> seen that
2016-01-22T16:09:39 < dongs> its $75 and not on ribbon cable
2016-01-22T16:09:45 < dongs> for $75 i can make more than 1 of those
2016-01-22T16:09:46 < dongs> including parts.
2016-01-22T16:10:02 < dongs> ohh it has schematic
2016-01-22T16:10:02 < dongs> lol
2016-01-22T16:10:07 < dongs> THAT i didnt notice.
2016-01-22T16:10:10 < dongs> was browsing on mobile
2016-01-22T16:10:20 < qyx> lol
2016-01-22T16:10:22 < dongs> excellent
2016-01-22T16:10:24 < dongs> now im done
2016-01-22T16:10:28 < dongs> <3 zyp
2016-01-22T16:10:59 < dongs> Design by TED
2016-01-22T16:11:22 < qyx> "Copied from TED"
2016-01-22T16:12:11 < dongs> yes
2016-01-22T16:12:15 < dongs> (c) TED
2016-01-22T16:12:25 < zyp> so just WAKE# and PERST# in addition to clock and data lanes
2016-01-22T16:12:30 < zyp> that's not a lot
2016-01-22T16:12:39 < dongs> ya
2016-01-22T16:12:46 < dongs> still not go nna be able to use minidp for the cable
2016-01-22T16:12:54 < dongs> too many lanes
2016-01-22T16:13:19 < zyp> 9 lanes all in all
2016-01-22T16:13:27 < zyp> that's too much even for dual lane dvi
2016-01-22T16:13:30 < zyp> dual link*
2016-01-22T16:13:38 < dongs> gonna have to chinaribbon it
2016-01-22T16:13:49 < dongs> maybe 1.27mm IDC
2016-01-22T16:14:03 < zyp> haha, how long do you need?
2016-01-22T16:14:10 < dongs> 25cm
2016-01-22T16:18:32 < dongs> ive seen all those crazy pcie x1 -> 16 extenders
2016-01-22T16:18:36 < dongs> for buttcoinfags
2016-01-22T16:18:39 < dongs> just using shitty ribbon cable
2016-01-22T16:18:42 < dongs> so this will certainly work
2016-01-22T16:19:00 < zyp> true
2016-01-22T16:19:02 < Sync> use two hdmi cables?
2016-01-22T16:19:02 < Sync> :D
2016-01-22T16:19:09 < zyp> still not enough
2016-01-22T16:19:17 < zyp> hdmi is only four lanes
2016-01-22T16:19:23 < dongs> hdmi,dp, its still 20 pins and only 4 diff lanes
2016-01-22T16:19:24 < jadew> kakimir, nice documentary, I've been wondering how some of that stuff is done
2016-01-22T16:34:09 < Sync> ah meh you need 9 diff pairs :/
2016-01-22T16:34:39 < Sync> regular cat 6 ethernet cable? :D
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2016-01-22T16:34:50 < Sync> and then 3 of them...
2016-01-22T16:36:34 < Sync> it seems people just use flatflex for it, but hmm
2016-01-22T16:36:44 < Sync> the "pro" ones have at least 3 layer flex with shielding
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2016-01-22T17:23:57 < dongs> man
2016-01-22T17:24:00 < dongs> expresscard didnt live at all
2016-01-22T17:24:02 < dongs> i wonder whyt
2016-01-22T17:24:15 < dongs> i actually shipped a product in that form factor but it used hte USB2 lines on it
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2016-01-22T17:24:34 < dongs> but there was like almost no demand with that shit cuz laptops with expresscard were rare as shit
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2016-01-22T17:25:01 < karlp> express card was the same as "cardbus" ? the "faster" version of pcmcia?
2016-01-22T17:25:11 < dongs> expresscard was pcie x1 + usb + some junk
2016-01-22T17:25:19 < dongs> cardbus was just PCI hotplug
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2016-01-22T17:25:45 < karlp> ah, I had some pcmcia format thing that was for reading CF cards, was much faster than regular cf card reader adapters at the time.
2016-01-22T17:26:01 < dongs> probly cardbus, i think CF died by the time pcie was popular
2016-01-22T17:26:13 < karlp> I think one of my old work laptops talked about having an expresscard slot, even came with a dummy plastic card,
2016-01-22T17:26:17 < karlp> never saw any periphs that used it though
2016-01-22T17:26:22 < dongs> right
2016-01-22T17:26:38 < dongs> there was the usual shit like usb2.0/failwire/ethernet
2016-01-22T17:26:42 < dongs> rs232, and shit
2016-01-22T17:28:29 < zyp> expresscard died because there's no space to waste for that shit in modern thin laptops
2016-01-22T17:28:53 < dongs> bullshit, modern laptops are just 99% battery
2016-01-22T17:29:04 < zyp> exactly, that's way more useful
2016-01-22T17:29:32 < zyp> why waste space on expresscard if you can put more battery instead?
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2016-01-22T17:31:05 < zyp> oh, and then the fact that peripherals are just using usb nowadays
2016-01-22T17:32:00 < dongs> bbbbut
2016-01-22T17:32:01 < dongs> faster
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2016-01-22T17:32:54 < zyp> my old dell had both pcmcia and expresscard
2016-01-22T17:32:58 < zyp> I never used either
2016-01-22T17:33:04 < zyp> hmm
2016-01-22T17:33:16 < zyp> actually, I think I might have used pcmcia ethernet cards
2016-01-22T17:34:25 < zyp> but if it needs to stick out to be able to fit a connector, you might as well use usb
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2016-01-22T17:38:14 < artag> my lenovo has a slot that's a bit like pcmcia but narrower and thicker. possibly expresscard. quite a nice form factor but I can't find anything to put in it. yet there's only one internal minipci for either a flash disk or a cell modem
2016-01-22T17:38:23 < dongs> Sync: is that the pro shit? http://www.adexelec.com/m2.htm
2016-01-22T17:38:43 < Sync> kek no
2016-01-22T17:38:50 < zyp> artag, that would be the narrow expresscard
2016-01-22T17:38:54 < dongs> what is that awful shieelded cable
2016-01-22T17:38:55 < Sync> the stuff uses no real flex
2016-01-22T17:39:06 < zyp> IIRC expresscard comes in two widths
2016-01-22T17:39:33 < dongs> the 'socket' part is same width
2016-01-22T17:39:36 < dongs> then you can have a L-shaped card
2016-01-22T17:39:39 < dongs> or a narrow one
2016-01-22T17:39:42 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-22T17:40:04 < zyp> and artag apparently only got room for the narrow one
2016-01-22T17:40:14 < artag> yeah, think that's right. pretty stupid idea - you either have to fit the small slot and ship a filler piece or lose half your potential customers
2016-01-22T17:40:43 < zyp> doesn't matter, nobody uses it anyway :D
2016-01-22T17:42:03 < artag> i should probably try to find some generic thing that fits so at least the space isn't wasted. even if it's only a logitech mouse dongle bodged onto the usb wires.
2016-01-22T17:42:05 < dongs> gah finally found m2 card dimensions.. in a fucking JAE datasheet for hte socket
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2016-01-22T17:57:50 < dongs> http://www.jae.com/z-en/pdf_download_exec.cfm?param=SJ116260.pdf
2016-01-22T17:57:54 < dongs> ever wanted to have a bunch of these?
2016-01-22T17:58:18 < inca> how should I clock the SWO for this stm32F051? http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/datasheet/DM00039193.pdf
2016-01-22T17:58:45 < dongs> 'clock'?
2016-01-22T17:58:59 < inca> swv clock?
2016-01-22T17:59:14 < karlp> inca: no swo on f0, so no need to worrry about it
2016-01-22T17:59:21 < dongs> good point
2016-01-22T17:59:58 < inca> is there any way to do SWV on f0?
2016-01-22T18:00:07 < dongs> i guess not
2016-01-22T18:02:38 < PaulFertser> inca: no. Some cortex-m0s have internal trace buffer but I have no idea what tools can work with them.
2016-01-22T18:02:52 < dongs> ooo, i bet some CLOSED SORES ones
2016-01-22T18:04:36 < karlp> "MTB" is the keyword there iirc, for "micro trace buffer"
2016-01-22T18:04:59 < dongs> thats m0+ thing isnt it
2016-01-22T18:05:05 < dongs> looks like ulink and keil supports it
2016-01-22T18:05:07 < dongs> so prooo
2016-01-22T18:06:21 < dongs> looks like its just memory block you can grab over swd or whatever
2016-01-22T18:06:29 < dongs> at some 0x1exxx address
2016-01-22T18:06:56 < karlp> it's some config in fixed internal ram, but you're meant to assign some of your real user ram to it, i believe
2016-01-22T18:07:28 < inca> makes sense...
2016-01-22T18:07:44 < karlp> better hope you don't want to trace your app that uses the ram you chose your chip for then....
2016-01-22T18:08:12 < inca> looks like it needs an IP block programmed in it? http://www.keil.com/support/man/docs/ulinkpro/ulinkpro_cortex_m0.htm
2016-01-22T18:08:31 < inca> oh, nvm... MPS
2016-01-22T18:09:35 < karlp> anyone have a quicksummary of what the differnence is between the stm32l151xxx and the ...xxx-A parts?
2016-01-22T18:09:41 < inca> nah, think we will roll our own trace buffer to get an idea what is blanking the screen. it's a legacy system with some uart issues that sometimes mess up the display
2016-01-22T18:09:52 < inca> thanks guys!
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2016-01-22T18:10:47 < dongs> sounds like time for rblog
2016-01-22T18:12:49 < karlp> ahh, TN1176
2016-01-22T18:15:32 < dongs> Software can store only up to
2016-01-22T18:15:32 < dongs> 20 bytes into backup registers. See
2016-01-22T18:15:32 < dongs> STM32L15xx6/8/B-A errata sheet for
2016-01-22T18:15:33 < dongs> details.
2016-01-22T18:15:33 < dongs> rofl
2016-01-22T18:15:42 < dongs> they even managed to  fuckup backup registers
2016-01-22T18:16:20 < dongs> Description
2016-01-22T18:16:20 < dongs> The number of RTC backup registers is 20 bytes (five 32-bit registers) instead of 80 bytes.
2016-01-22T18:16:24 < dongs> Workaround
2016-01-22T18:16:26 < dongs> None
2016-01-22T18:16:27 < Sync> rekt
2016-01-22T18:16:50 < karlp> they added ram, added subsecond stuff to the rtc, but yeah, fucked up on backups, hope you weren't use them, lol, the old ones are nrnd!
2016-01-22T18:17:04 < karlp> fixed a bunch of errata though
2016-01-22T18:17:11 < karlp> like, "no factory trim for temp sensor"
2016-01-22T18:17:17 < karlp> and "usb pullup ws wrong"
2016-01-22T18:17:46 < karlp> woops, eeprom cycles dropped from 300k to 100k cycles
2016-01-22T18:17:53 < dongs> ya
2016-01-22T18:18:12 < Sync> cheap fucks
2016-01-22T18:18:37 < karlp> slightly better power consumption in most areas though
2016-01-22T18:18:51 < karlp> well, who uses 80 backup regs anyway, it was heaps and heaps
2016-01-22T18:20:52 < dongs> how do you screw that up tho
2016-01-22T18:21:03 < dongs> since its in ERRATA and not in datasheet, it sounds like there was supposed to be 80
2016-01-22T18:21:10 < Sync> probably on purpose to save space
2016-01-22T18:21:40 < dongs> removal of 60 bytes of backup regs: reason for better [power consumption
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2016-01-22T18:26:42 < dongs> HMMMMMM
2016-01-22T18:26:52 < dongs> i got a better idea for t he extender thing
2016-01-22T18:26:56 < dongs> i still use pcie-x4 connector
2016-01-22T18:27:00 < dongs> then get one of those ribbon extender cable shits
2016-01-22T18:27:11 < dongs> this way i dont have to try and figure out some custom flat cable
2016-01-22T18:31:12 < zyp> haha
2016-01-22T18:34:04 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/8jODq6X.png ta-da, innovated
2016-01-22T18:34:38 < zyp> hardcore
2016-01-22T18:34:45 < dongs> array copy = <3
2016-01-22T18:36:43 < dongs> then again hm
2016-01-22T18:36:45 < dongs> its going into a NUC
2016-01-22T18:36:53 < dongs> theres probly not enough space fot those retarded chinese riser cards
2016-01-22T18:37:00 < dongs> that go piece of PCB -> ribbon cable
2016-01-22T18:39:26 < zyp> can't you get edge connectors?
2016-01-22T18:39:34 < dongs> edgewhats?
2016-01-22T18:39:35 < zyp> so it just extends horizontally
2016-01-22T18:39:43 < dongs> actualyl m2 is on the bottom of the nuc
2016-01-22T18:39:58 < zyp> so no room for anything anyway?
2016-01-22T18:40:08 < dongs> other than flat cable at 90"
2016-01-22T18:41:24 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/MKZEadt.png
2016-01-22T18:42:41 < dongs> hm or maybe straight
2016-01-22T18:42:47 < dongs> cuz those things are back sockets i think
2016-01-22T18:42:59 < dongs> yea maybe back will be better
2016-01-22T18:45:13 < zyp> flip nuc upside down, cut hole in bottom, put socket there
2016-01-22T18:45:20 < zyp> plug in gpu -> very dogecoin
2016-01-22T18:45:24 < dongs> X4?
2016-01-22T18:45:25 < dongs> haha
2016-01-22T18:45:46 < zyp> what did you say this were for anyway?
2016-01-22T18:45:55 < dongs> jpeg2k decoder card
2016-01-22T18:46:02 < zyp> oh, haha
2016-01-22T18:46:02 < dongs> with like asi outputs and shit
2016-01-22T18:46:04 < dongs> some pro garbage
2016-01-22T18:46:23 < zyp> and a nuc? why?
2016-01-22T18:46:32 < dongs> fuck knows, some cinema guys want this
2016-01-22T18:47:00 < zyp> surely there exists some 1U enclosures that's better suited for this
2016-01-22T18:47:03 < dongs> maybe they're sticking whoel thing in a bigger (but still smaller than usual 4U+ dcinema player)
2016-01-22T18:47:12 < dongs> typical  cinema player is 4U
2016-01-22T18:47:27 < dongs> cuz the decoder cards are fucking huge full height/full length
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2016-01-22T18:48:09 < zyp> are there that many of them that they can't be put horizontally in an 1U chassis?
2016-01-22T18:48:30 < dongs> surely it will fit
2016-01-22T18:50:57 < dongs> wifi in that nuc is on
2016-01-22T18:51:04 < dongs> M.2 1216 module
2016-01-22T18:51:07 < dongs> which means its like 12x16mm
2016-01-22T18:51:09 < dongs> wtf
2016-01-22T18:51:25 < zyp> 1.2x1.6 inches surely?
2016-01-22T18:51:32 < dongs> minus like 4mm of that edge connector so usable pcb area is 12x12
2016-01-22T18:51:35 < dongs> nope
2016-01-22T18:51:43 < dongs> M2 is by mm
2016-01-22T18:51:45 < dongs> like 2260
2016-01-22T18:51:46 < dongs> 2280 etc
2016-01-22T18:51:46 < zyp> wat, are they that fucking small?
2016-01-22T18:52:12 < dongs> im reading the nuc datasheet and it says M.2 WIFI 1216 module
2016-01-22T18:52:16 < zyp> 12mm width is nothing
2016-01-22T18:52:29 < zyp> how wide is that shit you were drawing?
2016-01-22T18:52:34 < dongs> 22,,
2016-01-22T18:52:36 < dongs> 22mm
2016-01-22T18:52:56 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/MKZEadt.png
2016-01-22T18:52:57 < dongs> err
2016-01-22T18:52:57 < zyp> so they have an even narrower type for 1x or what?
2016-01-22T18:53:31 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/pdfdocs/M2ConnectorBrochure201412181.PDF
2016-01-22T18:53:38 < dongs> page 6
2016-01-22T18:53:41 < dongs> yes, its 12x16mm
2016-01-22T18:53:59 < dongs> looks like uses some kinda board to board connector on the bottom
2016-01-22T18:54:07 < zyp> damn, that's small
2016-01-22T18:56:26 < dongs> i wonder what socket it uses
2016-01-22T18:56:35 < dongs> it must be something tiny like that connector on edison or whatever
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2016-01-22T18:58:15 < dongs> maybe its just soldered down lga-style
2016-01-22T18:59:03 < dongs> http://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/content/6/9/6991_18_intel-nuc5i5ryk-nuc-mini-pc-broadwell-review.jpg
2016-01-22T18:59:26 < dongs> Soldered onto the PCB is Intel's new Dual Band (2.4/5GHz) Wireless AC 7265 which provides speeds up to 867Mbit/s (2x2)
2016-01-22T18:59:30 < dongs> yeah soldered.
2016-01-22T18:59:30 < dongs> so no socket there
2016-01-22T19:05:10 < kakimir> it is complete module?
2016-01-22T19:05:29 < kakimir> 867Mbit/s... how mad is that
2016-01-22T19:05:38 < dongs> its shit
2016-01-22T19:05:39 < dongs> is what it is
2016-01-22T19:05:49 < dongs> and you'll never see this number
2016-01-22T19:06:05 < dongs> halve it first cuz wifi is half-duplex
2016-01-22T19:06:17 < dongs> then  once you're more than 10cm from base station, it drops exponentially
2016-01-22T19:06:29 < dongs> laptop sitting on my desk like 2meters away from wifi links up at 144mbps
2016-01-22T19:07:41 < kakimir> I imagine I would use such speeds for remote desktop
2016-01-22T19:07:55 < kakimir> to use some shiet on workstation near by
2016-01-22T19:08:06 < kakimir> on netbook
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2016-01-22T19:08:27 < dongs> zyp, the graphing shit on latvianbox is gr8
2016-01-22T19:08:41 < kakimir> how much you need bandwidth for some remote cad working?
2016-01-22T19:08:46 < dongs> ip/graphs/ after you enable it
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2016-01-22T19:20:38 < aandrew> latvianbox?
2016-01-22T19:20:58 < dongs> oops just trashed esxi by reconfiruging vmnic
2016-01-22T19:21:01 < karlp> mikrotik routerstation shit they bought
2016-01-22T19:21:04 < dongs> hmm 2am, drive to fix or fuck off
2016-01-22T19:21:26 < dongs> i think im gonna go with fuck off and sleep
2016-01-22T19:21:44 < zyp> dongs, oh, yeah
2016-01-22T19:21:58 < zyp> I enabled that, forgot to check back how it looks after it actually collected data
2016-01-22T19:22:05 < dongs> rite
2016-01-22T19:22:10 < dongs> its pretty neat
2016-01-22T19:22:17 < dongs> or was until I lost all connectivity to that place :p
2016-01-22T19:22:38 < zyp> mine's running on poe now
2016-01-22T19:22:47 < zyp> so it's on ups in another room
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2016-01-22T19:40:19 < dongs> nice, got it fixed thanks to clonererror
2016-01-22T19:40:24 < dongs> vmwaer pro
2016-01-22T19:48:40 < kakimir> apache or nginx?
2016-01-22T19:49:13 < Rob235> can't seem to wake up, so much to do
2016-01-22T19:49:36 < ReadError> kakimir nginx all day
2016-01-22T19:51:04 < kakimir> okay
2016-01-22T19:52:42 < kakimir> I have heard that apache is bloat and heavy
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2016-01-22T20:37:24 < Steffanx> nginx might be less heavy and less bloated, but i dont think apache is as bloated as its used to be
2016-01-22T20:37:31 < Steffanx> maybe bloated but faster.
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2016-01-22T22:11:33 < emeb> suicide bomber didn't make it to his intended target?
2016-01-22T22:27:47 < kakimir> how can I monitor terminal?
2016-01-22T22:27:52 < kakimir> terminal session
2016-01-22T22:27:55 < kakimir> that is not mine
2016-01-22T22:29:35 < kakimir> spy and intervene
2016-01-22T22:29:46 < kakimir> assume I have sudos
2016-01-22T22:30:41 < kakimir> let's say I use it in teaching purposes
2016-01-22T22:30:53 < kakimir> if you doubt my morale
2016-01-22T22:31:04 < Laurenceb_> say what
2016-01-22T22:33:03 < kakimir> *morality
2016-01-22T22:34:47 < Laurenceb_> http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/14221982.York_man_banned_from_having_sex_unless_he_gives_police_24_hours__notice/
2016-01-22T22:36:20 < kakimir> next they remove his balls
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2016-01-22T22:48:42 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: conspy and screen multisession
2016-01-22T22:48:51 < Rob235> boring story.  no personal details.  it just lists a law and says someone broke it and it couldn't be proven.
2016-01-22T22:49:20 < Rob235> should have just made the article about the funny law
2016-01-22T22:51:55 < kakimir> http://www.playterm.org/ there is alternative to terminal pastes
2016-01-22T22:52:40 < kakimir> relevant tool: ttyrec
2016-01-22T22:54:09 < Laurenceb_> terminal paste: death by pasting
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2016-01-22T23:38:44 < kakimir> last paste you ever do
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2016-01-22T23:40:15 < kakimir> celeron55: nettisi ei toimi kovin hyvin
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2016-01-22T23:49:29 < kakimir> I dont really feel like coding
2016-01-22T23:50:48 < kakimir> my routines are broken today
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2016-01-23T00:05:33 < kakimir> is there attribute for compiler
2016-01-23T00:05:53 < kakimir> that it may reorder structure if it wish to
2016-01-23T00:06:03 < kakimir> for gains
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2016-01-23T00:14:29 < kakimir> -fipa-struct-reorg
2016-01-23T00:14:51 < kakimir> Perform structure reorganization optimization, that change C-like structures layout in order to better utilize spatial locality. This transformation is affective for programs containing arrays of structures. Available in two compilation modes: profile-based (enabled with -fprofile-generate) or static (which uses built-in heuristics). Require -fipa-type-escape to provide the safety of this transformation. It works only in whole program mode, so it requires -
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2016-01-23T00:19:32 < kakimir> what hte hell is "cold" structure
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2016-01-23T00:25:42 < kakimir> hot and cold
2016-01-23T00:25:52 < kakimir> those are like some frequencies of stuff
2016-01-23T00:26:04 < kakimir> hot is frequent
2016-01-23T00:26:07 < kakimir> cold is not
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2016-01-23T00:37:00 < BrainDamage> hot -> loaded in cache, cold -> on lower levels of memory
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2016-01-23T00:40:04 < ds2> so close to playing with SDR... one more wknd before PCBs arrive :(
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2016-01-23T00:45:33 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgur.com/Kg9aCaL.jpg
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2016-01-23T00:49:21 < BrainDamage> canadian geezes are actually pretty vicious animals
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2016-01-23T00:56:13 < mtbg> hi?
2016-01-23T00:56:51 < kakimir> hi?
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2016-01-23T01:05:28 < Rob235> hi?
2016-01-23T01:08:27 < kakimir> yo?
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2016-01-23T01:13:06 < kakimir> I have so much comment in my code that FHD display is not wide enought
2016-01-23T01:32:50 < kakimir> https://imgur.com/7npire0 bathhouse of dongs
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2016-01-23T01:38:56 < kakimir> http://40.media.tumblr.com/44595a4814d65e5865f5c738c47b8a1b/tumblr_ndm4sq1lM61s71o7mo1_1280.jpg bear has ear label
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2016-01-23T02:58:48 < dongs> time to pro up zyps shit
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2016-01-23T03:00:39 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSVKDmMMZUE project for you
2016-01-23T03:03:17 < dongs> is it about VAPISM
2016-01-23T03:05:48 < dongs> or just another wannabe arm tutorial
2016-01-23T03:06:09 < dongs> oh looks like i can replace my ir reflow lamp too
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2016-01-23T03:10:30 < dongs> and it works yay
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2016-01-23T03:16:56 < Getty> automata is really awesome realistic about the movements of the robots
2016-01-23T03:17:40 < Getty> they are like the robots you know from factories, not this "image" of the human like movements.... really cool
2016-01-23T03:21:32 < dongs> the movie?
2016-01-23T03:21:40 < Getty> yeah
2016-01-23T03:21:43 < dongs> yea i liked it
2016-01-23T03:21:50 < Getty> wow something dongs like?
2016-01-23T03:21:58 < Getty> i am confused ;)
2016-01-23T03:22:30 < Getty> they picked the wrong actors, thats the only fault of the movie and thats making the ratings so unworthy
2016-01-23T03:22:53 < dongs> i mean.... shit like furious 7 has ~ratings~
2016-01-23T03:22:57 < dongs> i couldnt even sit through half of it
2016-01-23T03:23:37 < Getty> if that one guy wouldnt be dead i wouldnt have noticed that there was still a production line of those movies ;)
2016-01-23T03:23:47 < dongs> lol right
2016-01-23T03:24:03 < dongs> luckily its over finally
2016-01-23T03:24:09 < Getty> you think........
2016-01-23T03:24:23 < dongs> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4630562/ :/
2016-01-23T03:24:59 < Getty> i wanted to recheck but AFAIR Vin Diesel now bought the rights fully or got hand of them through contract
2016-01-23T03:25:01 < Getty> something like that
2016-01-23T03:25:20 < Getty> AH! no... i was wrong
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2016-01-23T03:25:33 < Getty> he played in fast & furious to get the rights for riddick, right right
2016-01-23T03:26:15 < Getty> but seriously, the actor pick on automata is just horrible
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2016-01-23T03:27:34 < Getty> even the one really good actor they added, robert forster, is used totally wrong
2016-01-23T03:28:03 < Getty> but the CGI is just crazy!
2016-01-23T03:28:23 < Getty> that is like so fucking realistic, if someone would told me they actually had made the robots i would believe him
2016-01-23T03:39:16 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBqtQjJqSQw&feature=youtu.be
2016-01-23T03:39:57 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/76rnEE.jpg
2016-01-23T03:44:32 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/XbJOw34.gifv
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2016-01-23T03:57:33 < dongs> sup zano haters
2016-01-23T03:57:51 < dongs> did you know? zano was killed not by ivan's incompetency but by all the internet naysayers telling it can't be done
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2016-01-23T04:14:29 < dongs> proing
2016-01-23T04:14:40 < Laurenceb_> probing
2016-01-23T04:15:29 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1453214104252.jpg
2016-01-23T04:15:46 < dongs> is /n/ like niggers
2016-01-23T04:16:08 < dongs> waht am i looking at
2016-01-23T04:16:24 < dongs> alchoholic mother and FAS child?
2016-01-23T04:16:42 < Laurenceb_> 8chan admin crew
2016-01-23T04:16:50 < dongs> k
2016-01-23T04:17:22 < Laurenceb_> evolutions mistakes
2016-01-23T04:18:06 < dongs> plot twist: both are male
2016-01-23T04:20:22 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1453513201070.jpg
2016-01-23T04:25:03 < Laurenceb_> he just lines up and has a firmware mod on the wheelchair to move it forward/reverse
2016-01-23T04:33:04 < dongs> argh zyp you fucking cunt
2016-01-23T04:33:11 < dongs> neither of your boards is 0,0 lower left
2016-01-23T04:33:21 < upgrdman> lol
2016-01-23T04:33:31 < dongs> learn to set the fucking reference point
2016-01-23T04:39:50 < dongs> attn aandrew https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Write-some-Software-for-Cypress/
2016-01-23T04:41:13 < dongs> all bid by pakis but whoi the fuck is gonna ship all that hardware to pakistan
2016-01-23T04:41:14 < dongs> to get stolen
2016-01-23T04:42:29 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Manufacturing/create-set-top-box/
2016-01-23T04:42:30 < dongs> haha
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2016-01-23T05:07:20 < aandrew> lol freelancer
2016-01-23T05:07:23 < aandrew> race to the botom
2016-01-23T05:08:00 < aandrew> LOL $250 with that list of requirements and total lack of detail
2016-01-23T05:08:36 < aandrew> wtf is that current year shit
2016-01-23T05:10:02 < aandrew> you're looking at a week of work, minimum, with most of that being spent trying to refine and understand his requirements
2016-01-23T05:11:49 < dongs> outbid by pakis
2016-01-23T05:12:49 < aandrew> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/artist-to-sit-naked-on-a-toilet-for-two-days-to-protest-bullst-art-world-a6827351.html attn dongs
2016-01-23T05:13:03 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Linux/RCA-Video-PAL-input-module/ here's my favorite one
2016-01-23T05:13:11 < aandrew> and yeah I'm okay being outbid by pakis
2016-01-23T05:13:17 < dongs> make me hardware t hat outputs mipi-csi2 AND write a lunix driver for it all for $250
2016-01-23T05:13:25 < dongs> fuck right off
2016-01-23T05:13:41 < aandrew> yep
2016-01-23T05:13:52 < dongs> readstoner was d oing something like this
2016-01-23T05:13:58 < aandrew> I stopped looking at all those kinds of sites within a few hours of seeing my first one
2016-01-23T05:13:59 < dongs> i think he made cloner hardware but never assembled it
2016-01-23T05:14:35 < dongs> http://www.analog.com/en/products/audio-video/video-decoders/adv7281.html using this
2016-01-23T05:14:44 < dongs> its not an awful thing to try but not for $250
2016-01-23T05:15:09 < dongs> how are those pakis even gonna get it done in 3 days
2016-01-23T05:15:12 < aandrew> yeah all of those kinds of sites can fuck right off
2016-01-23T05:15:18 < aandrew> they won't
2016-01-23T05:15:37 < aandrew> you accpet then immediately start telling them the cost is going oup becuase bad docs bad reqs etc etc etc
2016-01-23T05:18:12 < dongs> like this spane is emailing me lately
2016-01-23T05:18:16 < dongs> each time starting a new email thread too
2016-01-23T05:18:34 < dongs> he wants a "cheap" board to interface to 240Hz 5" 1080P panel to HDMI
2016-01-23T05:18:49 < dongs> i was like, first of all bro why dont yo ustart with requirements that acutally exist
2016-01-23T05:19:13 < dongs> then i was like 10k *minimum* NRE on this assuming you even find hardware that can do this
2016-01-23T05:19:27 < dongs> then he links me to
2016-01-23T05:19:33 < dongs> https://github.com/OSVR/OSVR-HDK
2016-01-23T05:19:34 < dongs> and says
2016-01-23T05:19:42 < dongs> if you just copy their schematics, can it be no NRE???
2016-01-23T05:20:46 < dongs> and every fucking reply he starts a new email thread wiht new subject like "what if?"
2016-01-23T05:22:07 < aandrew> oh god
2016-01-23T05:23:28 < dongs> osvr is fucking aids too
2016-01-23T05:23:36 < dongs> they have a FPGA on there for some fucked up reason
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2016-01-23T05:35:59 < ds2> just do it all in SW
2016-01-23T05:36:06 < ds2> get a fast ADC
2016-01-23T05:36:36 < emeb_mac> ds2: how's the SDR project?
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2016-01-23T06:01:09 < dongs> ds2: .. rageberrypi
2016-01-23T06:01:28 < dongs> ds2: fast ADC + time to write NTSC decoder will be > than sticking that CSI chip on a header and poking some i2c commands
2016-01-23T06:01:38 < dongs> its probably not hard, looks like i2c bus is on that camera connector too
2016-01-23T06:01:53 < dongs> so probably just cat some shit to rageberry i2c + pull data from csi which should already be done by v4l or wahtever
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2016-01-23T06:43:25 < aandrew> ok what the fuck
2016-01-23T06:43:42 < aandrew> R1 = R2 * (Vout/Vfb - 1)
2016-01-23T06:43:54 < dongs> yeah i hate those things
2016-01-23T06:43:56 < aandrew> does that not mean (R1/R2 + 1) * Vfb = Vout?
2016-01-23T06:44:02 < dongs> i usually just put the real formula in wolfram
2016-01-23T06:44:06 < aandrew> where am I failing my math
2016-01-23T06:44:07 < dongs> and dick wiht r1/r2 using standard values i have
2016-01-23T06:44:09 < dongs> until getting it
2016-01-23T06:44:39 < dongs> i think one of the assdroid apps had a nice solver for this
2016-01-23T06:44:45 < dongs> using E96 resistor or whatever
2016-01-23T06:44:50 < dongs> thinking maybe electrodroid
2016-01-23T06:45:02 < aandrew> right, I'm just trying to figure out where I fucked this up
2016-01-23T06:45:07 < aandrew> this is basic fucking math and I'm failing it
2016-01-23T06:45:35 < dongs> welcome to the club
2016-01-23T06:48:38 < aandrew> ah, fucking bc
2016-01-23T06:48:45 < aandrew> I forgot to set the scale so it was dropping decimals
2016-01-23T06:51:41 < aandrew> now to find E96 resistor values with a ratio of 6.4 and 5.6, preferably with one value in common between them
2016-01-23T06:53:29 < aandrew> hm I wrote a program to do this before
2016-01-23T06:53:32 < aandrew> where the fuck did I put it
2016-01-23T07:02:10 < ds2> emeb_mac: waiting on PCB... OSHpark shipped yesterday
2016-01-23T07:02:29 < emeb_mac> ds2: awesome. what's on the PCB?
2016-01-23T07:02:40 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/6d2TxH9.jpg
2016-01-23T07:02:48 < ds2> the shitberry's video input is not documented for mere mortals
2016-01-23T07:03:08 < ds2> emeb_mac: ADC + filter is about all... everything discrete transistors
2016-01-23T07:03:32 < emeb_mac> ds2: nifty - get some good gain in there?
2016-01-23T07:03:41 < ds2> emeb_mac: my friend reviewed it and mentioned some biasing roblems so got to recalcuate the resistors
2016-01-23T07:03:59 < ds2> yeah... a basic common source JFET + a load choke...broadband
2016-01-23T07:04:22 < emeb_mac> ds2: just value changes tho - topology is fine?
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2016-01-23T07:14:17 < aandrew> fuck it, spat out every possible E96 combo and pulled it inot excel
2016-01-23T07:14:19 < aandrew> sort by ratio, done
2016-01-23T07:17:54 < aandrew> 63k4 and 11k3 will get me 3.305V and 73k2 and 11k3 will get me 3.74V. close e-fucking-nough
2016-01-23T07:18:15 < aandrew> of course I don't have 11k3 or 73k2
2016-01-23T07:18:34 < dongs> are you making 3.7V?
2016-01-23T07:18:39 < aandrew> yeah
2016-01-23T07:18:50 < dongs> doesnt your dc/dc require r1/r2 to be > 100k
2016-01-23T07:18:52 < aandrew> that's what this ridiculous qualcomm thing wants
2016-01-23T07:19:02 < dongs> i remember making 3.7 wiyth some standard stuff
2016-01-23T07:19:03 < upgrdman> found a bag of used potentiometers today at work.... 1 MEGohm pots. wtf.
2016-01-23T07:19:09 < aandrew> no, it needs R2 below 200k
2016-01-23T07:19:15 < aandrew> but I can scale that up, it's just a ratio
2016-01-23T07:20:21 < aandrew> " The current through the resistive divider should be about 100 times greater than the current into the FB pin. The typical current into the FB pin is 0.01μA, and the voltage across the resistor between FB and GND, R2, is typically 500 mV. Based on these two values, the recommended value for R2 should be lower than 500kΩ, in order to set the divider current at 1μA or higher. It is recommended to keep the value for this resistor in the range of 200kΩ"
2016-01-23T07:22:12 < dongs> ya ok
2016-01-23T07:22:19 < dongs> meh my shit was 3.65V
2016-01-23T07:22:32 < aandrew> I don't understand what they're saying though
2016-01-23T07:22:37 < dongs> so i did 3.66 wiht 1M/196K which i then ended up using 200k on
2016-01-23T07:22:45 < aandrew> it says you want divider current at 1uA or higher
2016-01-23T07:22:58 < aandrew> yet they are only concerned about R2
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2016-01-23T07:23:19 < aandrew> I can put R2 at 100k but that makes R1 562k and that's a lot lower than 1uA
2016-01-23T07:23:55 < aandrew> 3.7/572k is oh, maybe not... 6uA
2016-01-23T07:24:03 < aandrew> 6.5 actually
2016-01-23T07:27:02 < aandrew> I might actually have a 56k2 and 64k9 resistor
2016-01-23T07:27:14 < aandrew> I just bought 5000 10k resistors so I'm good there
2016-01-23T07:28:15 < Amperture> Is there a module out there that will let me experiment with ZigBee that isn't 50+USD for a single module?
2016-01-23T07:28:35 < ds2> emeb_mac: yep (sorry, got called to dinner)
2016-01-23T07:28:49 < emeb_mac> gotta eat
2016-01-23T07:29:09 < ds2> his background is in instrumentation so I suspect there is some leeway
2016-01-23T07:29:30 < ds2> afterall, I am just trying to receive stuff that everyone is trying to keep out!
2016-01-23T07:32:50 < dongs> isnt zigbee dead
2016-01-23T07:34:01 < ds2> isn't parts of zigbee used for stuff like 6LoPan?
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2016-01-23T07:43:02 < Rob235> is the best way to count the length of a high pulse to wait for high, start timer, timer interrupt: if high count++ else disable timer & count is your time?
2016-01-23T07:43:20 < ds2> use capture mode?
2016-01-23T07:43:25 < dongs> ^
2016-01-23T07:43:33 < dongs> input capture is a thing
2016-01-23T07:43:35 < Rob235> what is capture mode? ;/
2016-01-23T07:43:42 < dongs> it does the counting for you
2016-01-23T07:43:50 < Rob235> google here I come
2016-01-23T07:44:07 < ds2> hardware will count when pulse is active and stop when iti s not. then interrupt you
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2016-01-23T08:07:38 < Rob235> why can't I find the table of pins -> timers
2016-01-23T08:07:47 < Rob235> for the stm32f4 discovery
2016-01-23T08:12:28 < dongs> ???
2016-01-23T08:12:31 < dongs> datasheet bro
2016-01-23T08:12:36 < dongs> the pin listing
2016-01-23T08:12:52 < dongs> that shows pin+package PortX/PinY + all teh AF
2016-01-23T08:12:55 < dongs> TIM_xxx etc stuff
2016-01-23T08:13:06 < dongs> or you can load up cube mx
2016-01-23T08:15:01 < Rob235> ahh I was looking at the reference manual not the datasheet
2016-01-23T08:22:16 < PeterM> aandrew, http://mustcalculate.com/electronics/automaticresistivevoltagedivider.php
2016-01-23T08:22:31 < PeterM> bookmark that shit
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2016-01-23T08:32:49 < Rob235> if it says TIM1_CH3N what's the N?
2016-01-23T08:32:54 < dongs> inverted version
2016-01-23T08:33:03 < dongs> for motor control stuff.
2016-01-23T08:34:34 < Rob235> you are supposed to just say it means nothing.  I'm tired of learning new shit!
2016-01-23T08:35:05 < Rob235> gotta see what pins I have available that dont have a N
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2016-01-23T09:58:30 < Rob235> umm is there a description of the init structures from std periph (specifically the TIM_ICINIT struct)
2016-01-23T10:00:33 < dongs> why dont you fucking look at the source
2016-01-23T10:00:35 < dongs> its right there
2016-01-23T10:00:45 < dongs> what "description" doyou need
2016-01-23T10:00:52 < dongs> also look at the function that inits that shit
2016-01-23T10:00:56 < dongs> and see wat it does wiht th struct members
2016-01-23T10:00:57 < dongs> its not hard
2016-01-23T10:05:07 < Rob235> do you equate your irc rage to something like road rage? :)
2016-01-23T10:19:14 < zyp> dongs, ah, fuck, I'm away for the weekend
2016-01-23T10:19:31 < zyp> won't be home until tomorrow night
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2016-01-23T10:31:40 < zyp> dongs, judging by the gerbers, usbjvs offset is (160, 110)
2016-01-23T10:36:31 < zyp> nfcboard looks like (48.75, 69.25)
2016-01-23T10:37:49 < zyp> found this by hand reading the grebers to find the coordinates of left/bottom outlines and translating them into mm
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2016-01-23T10:46:03 < dongs> dongs
2016-01-23T10:46:11 < dongs> zyp: haha
2016-01-23T10:46:14 < dongs> im not that pro
2016-01-23T10:46:34 < zyp> I hope I am
2016-01-23T10:46:46 < zyp> you should sanity check them I guess :p
2016-01-23T10:55:21 < dongs> are you sure about 69.25
2016-01-23T10:55:38 < dongs> 48.75 loosk ok
2016-01-23T10:55:57 < dongs> USB X looks 4.75mm
2016-01-23T10:56:05 < dongs> but if I 69.25 subtract i get negative numbers mostly
2016-01-23T10:56:34 < dongs> also spent day at the office, got 10gbe stuff setup
2016-01-23T10:56:49 < dongs> esxi loaded the $20 card with some default mellanox driver
2016-01-23T10:59:45 < upgrdman> dongs, whats esxi used for? just to let you easily transfer VMs between PCs?
2016-01-23T11:00:02 < dongs> no, for running a bunch of PCs off one box
2016-01-23T11:00:29 < upgrdman> so like a headless VMware Workstation, and without a host OS?
2016-01-23T11:00:33 < dongs> right
2016-01-23T11:00:36 < zyp> ohama, ah, it's (48.75, 25)
2016-01-23T11:00:38 < dongs> with some host OS that i dont needto care abvout
2016-01-23T11:00:40 < zyp> dongs*
2016-01-23T11:00:44 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-23T11:00:58 < ReadError> yes esxi is greats
2016-01-23T11:01:05 < dongs> zyp, looks legit
2016-01-23T11:01:06 < dongs> ok
2016-01-23T11:01:11 < zyp> it was .98 something and I just saw 98 in the gerber and it looked so high I thought it were other end
2016-01-23T11:01:25 < zyp> since there's no decimal point
2016-01-23T11:01:38 < zyp> okay, gtg
2016-01-23T11:01:45 < dongs> bai
2016-01-23T11:01:49 < dongs> your stuff will get done
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2016-01-23T13:04:34 < ReadError> https://i.imgur.com/MVlVuBN.gifv
2016-01-23T13:12:16 < Steffanx> VVS.
2016-01-23T13:13:06 < ReadError> lol got this show "Dark Net"
2016-01-23T13:13:13 < ReadError> this jap has a NDS GF
2016-01-23T13:13:36 < ReadError> and like takes her on dates
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2016-01-23T13:22:56 < ReadError> Rinko from LovePlus
2016-01-23T13:23:02 < ReadError> have you heard of this dongs?
2016-01-23T13:26:52 < MightyPork> anyone used the ESP8266's command AT+CIPSENDEX ? (because it doesnt seem to terminate on \0 for me)
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2016-01-23T14:48:11 < dongs> zyp, dicknplace loaded, will assemble tomrorow.
2016-01-23T14:48:16 < dongs> data was OK.
2016-01-23T14:51:17 < celeron55> MightyPork: if you google stuff, you find this http://bbs.espressif.com/viewtopic.php?t=933
2016-01-23T14:51:52 < celeron55> which has people being confused whether it's 0 or '\' '0' and then it turns out it's '\' '0'
2016-01-23T14:52:17 < MightyPork> celeron55: yea I found that, problem is neither literal \0 nor 0x00 work
2016-01-23T14:52:35 < dongs> wuat
2016-01-23T14:52:39 < dongs> did chinks reinvent what \0 means?
2016-01-23T14:52:44 < MightyPork> yup
2016-01-23T14:52:46 < dongs> other than a null byte
2016-01-23T14:52:52 < MightyPork> they also use forward slash to escape stuff in other places
2016-01-23T14:53:05 < dongs> thats pretty ptro
2016-01-23T14:53:06 < dongs> pro
2016-01-23T14:53:17 < celeron55> that's ridiculous in itself of course but that's not even surprising...
2016-01-23T14:53:25 < celeron55> just bad engineering
2016-01-23T14:54:17 < dongs> the only way is to create a TRULY FREE AS IN FREEDOM IOT HARDWARE SOLUTION WITHOUT ANY COMMUNIST BACKDOORS
2016-01-23T14:54:50 < dongs> EVERYTHING must be opensores and created with opensores tools only
2016-01-23T14:54:52 < MightyPork> shame parts of the firmware are not open, this would be an easy fix
2016-01-23T14:54:56 < dongs> down to chip layout on silicone
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2016-01-23T16:13:53 < englishman> dongs
2016-01-23T16:13:58 < englishman> 240Hz 1080p
2016-01-23T16:14:02 < englishman> sounds familiar
2016-01-23T16:14:24 < englishman> maybe its that dickstarter proj looking for devs on freelancer
2016-01-23T16:15:39 < dongs> haha
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2016-01-23T16:25:12 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/software-development/BLE-Bluetooth-Tags-Peripherals/
2016-01-23T16:25:16 < dongs> Due to repeatedly bad experiences we will not advance fees.
2016-01-23T16:26:14 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Eagle-design-Variation-USBASP-design/
2016-01-23T16:27:05 < celeron55> pay indians to do your work.com
2016-01-23T16:34:28 < dongs> rentapaki.com
2016-01-23T16:34:54 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/portable-Antenna-satellite-terminal/ this stupid fuck keeps posting this shit daily
2016-01-23T16:35:19 < dongs> > satellite internet
2016-01-23T16:35:21 < dongs> > 250
2016-01-23T16:35:32 < dongs> > smallest
2016-01-23T16:35:42 < dongs> fuck going to sleep before i rage reading this shit more
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2016-01-23T17:46:50 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jan/22/silicon-valley-500-startups-tech-companies
2016-01-23T17:47:00 < Laurenceb_> Formula version 1.3 better because science.
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2016-01-23T18:43:27 < aandrew> dongs: why the hell are you raging on freelancer? you're too smart to take that shit serious
2016-01-23T18:45:52 < zyp> haha
2016-01-23T18:46:01 < zyp> does it look like he's taking it serious?
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2016-01-23T18:57:00 < Rob235> how do timers work? :/
2016-01-23T18:58:26 < Laurenceb_> how is babby formed?
2016-01-23T18:58:37 < Rob235> trying to use input capture to measure length of high pulse
2016-01-23T18:58:50 < Rob235> what is the process for that?
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2016-01-23T19:17:17 < aandrew> zyp: well he's going to sleep before he rages reading more
2016-01-23T19:17:56 < aandrew> Rob235: capture on either edge, then you have the size of any pulse. look at the current state (or state of last capture) to see if it's a high pulse or a low pulse
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2016-01-23T19:21:02 < Rob235> so just set up an interrupt for either edge and subtract the ccr values if edge1 is rising and edge2 is falling? does ccr get reset or just keep counting up until it overflows?
2016-01-23T19:21:17 < Rob235> I've only used ccr for output compare, never tried input capture
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2016-01-23T19:45:22 < aandrew> depending on the capture peripheral, yeah
2016-01-23T19:45:46 < aandrew> I am not familiar with STM32 CCP
2016-01-23T19:48:29 < Rob235> I think I found a good way to do it.  it actually resets the ccr counter for you on rising and then when falling interrupt occurs you have your count without needing to subtract or anything.  its an example from the stdperiph library
2016-01-23T19:52:00 < Rob235> just one more thing to figure out...
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2016-01-23T20:48:25 < Rob235> so if prescaler = 0 then timer is 84 Mhz, then prescaler = 83 makes timer 1 Mhz?
2016-01-23T20:49:05 < jpa-> yep
2016-01-23T20:49:11 < Rob235> goooood
2016-01-23T20:51:13 < Tectu> dongs, ping
2016-01-23T20:51:38 < Tectu> jpa-, wut?  84 MHz / 83 = 1 MHz  ?
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2016-01-23T20:52:06 < jpa-> Tectu: prescaler register on STM32 timers works so that it divides by PSC+1
2016-01-23T20:52:21 < Tectu> oh, interesting
2016-01-23T20:56:35 < Rob235> http://pastebin.com/mDVRP1NF thats my code so far.  I'm following code from the stdperiph examples, I'm not sure what lines 44 to 46 do (which means I'm not sure if line 39 should be rising) and what actually occurs with this setup.
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2016-01-23T21:07:51 < jpa-> Rob235: oh, if you go through stdperiph, then i'm not sure what TIM_Prescaler will do
2016-01-23T21:08:14 < jpa-> i only know about the TIMx->PSC register as given in reference manual
2016-01-23T21:08:20 < Rob235> the prescaler is as you said, PSC+1
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2016-01-23T21:44:07 < Rob235> alright so I figured out how everything works except for one fairly basic concept.  http://pastebin.com/mDVRP1NF Referring to line 48, in this case what do the CCx interrupt mean and when would it or the update interrupt be triggered?
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2016-01-23T21:49:35 < Rob235> so update only occurs when repetition counter reaches zero.  thats definitely not what I want
2016-01-23T21:51:54 < Rob235> so I'm just confused if I have polarity set to rising (line 39) does CCx interrupt occur just on rising edges or will it still trigger on falling edges also
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2016-01-23T22:05:49 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/g6vyDZF.gifv
2016-01-23T22:07:37 < Rob235> Can i have one?
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2016-01-23T22:50:15 < Rob235> anyone use an hcsr04 ultrasonic range sensor? if it doesn't get an echo what happens? does echo go back down to low after a certain amount of time?
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2016-01-23T23:31:55 < upgrdman> wanker pc setup   http://imgur.com/a/7RyoP
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2016-01-23T23:38:55 < kakimir> is it yours?
2016-01-23T23:39:05 < upgrdman> no
2016-01-23T23:39:22 < upgrdman> im rocking a surface bro 4 + cocking station + 27" 4k montior.
2016-01-23T23:44:54 < kakimir> who hte hell uses fans in personal computer in year 2016?
2016-01-23T23:45:17 < upgrdman> gaymer fags
2016-01-23T23:48:46 < upgrdman> found a book written by dongs. the second sentence... http://i.imgur.com/pptQUS0.jpg
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2016-01-24T00:03:51 < kakimir> island kingdom = humanity
2016-01-24T00:05:56 < upgrdman> found R2COM http://i.imgur.com/LFuoA3P.jpg
2016-01-24T00:12:06 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles#/media/File:Britain_peoples_circa_600.svg
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2016-01-24T00:19:46 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGWxYNyLhWQ&t=2m35s
2016-01-24T00:25:38 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1453502361652.png
2016-01-24T00:28:26 < upgrdman> i dont get it
2016-01-24T00:28:33 < upgrdman> indians hate aussies?
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2016-01-24T00:30:15 < Laurenceb_> shit everywhere
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2016-01-24T00:46:06 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/Cpri6C5
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2016-01-24T01:20:51 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/gallery/QLC6Ar0
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2016-01-24T02:33:23 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbd8D9W9_LM dog enjoys surfing on pack of sheep
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2016-01-24T03:30:32 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-01-24T03:30:37 < dongs> tectu: pong
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2016-01-24T04:14:03 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Architecture/Building-electronics-stuff/
2016-01-24T04:14:13 < dongs> > the lowest price with good rating will be considered first.
2016-01-24T04:14:24 < dongs> translation: soem paki will bid $5 because his time is worthless
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2016-01-24T04:34:39 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/PIC-schematic-review-PCB-layout/ zano2 spotted
2016-01-24T04:35:06 < dongs> why tehfuck is he using PIC32 for USB HID
2016-01-24T04:35:16 < englishman> maybe it is a bunch of poor sf bay area programmers looking for rent money but they put paki photos cuz if they dont they wont get any work
2016-01-24T04:35:17 < dongs> its like, using pic32 for zano!!!! makes total sense
2016-01-24T04:35:26 < dongs> englishman: ahahah
2016-01-24T04:37:23 < dongs> it used to be rentacoder
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2016-01-24T04:48:28 < dongs> My project uses 1 microcontroller "PIC32MX250F128B", was based on "chipKit PI" and "chipKIT Fubarino Mini". And
2016-01-24T04:48:31 < dongs> uses 1 microcontroller “EFM8SB20F16G-A-QFN24”
2016-01-24T04:48:34 < dongs> fubarino, haha
2016-01-24T04:49:14 < PeterM> "The freelances HAS TO have experience with PCB Layout (Gerber) "
2016-01-24T04:49:28 < PeterM> yeah mang, i do all my layoiut with vim
2016-01-24T04:49:44 < PeterM> i jsut write gerber
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2016-01-24T04:50:27 < dongs> haha
2016-01-24T04:50:38 < dongs> no, thats wat kikecad users do
2016-01-24T04:51:59 < upgrdman> dongs, iirc you have some sexy aluminum usb hub. is it usb2 or usb3? link?
2016-01-24T04:52:38 < dongs> hm, not alum, no. just plastic shit, its half usb2/3, i ojnly got it cuz of per-power power switch + led
2016-01-24T04:52:49 < upgrdman> k
2016-01-24T04:53:00 < PeterM> dongs how did your 50a usb charger go?
2016-01-24T04:53:07 < dongs> PeterM: works gr8
2016-01-24T04:53:18 < dongs> mobilegamefags are using a stack of like 4 boards to charge all test phones
2016-01-24T04:53:26 < dongs> and ive got a 8 port on my desk for random stuff
2016-01-24T04:53:43 < PeterM> noice
2016-01-24T04:53:52 < dongs> 3dguy made acrylic sheets for top/bottom
2016-01-24T04:53:57 < dongs> so it even almost looks liek a product
2016-01-24T04:54:10 < PeterM> almost, almost
2016-01-24T04:57:01 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/n/res/245922.html#q256208
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2016-01-24T05:02:30 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlhOUyy4wbs
2016-01-24T05:06:22 < PeterM> i liked tuewsday
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2016-01-24T06:11:51 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPvsK2WEY34 thumbed down and commented
2016-01-24T06:27:45 < upgrdman> lol
2016-01-24T06:33:42 < upgrdman> dongs, i like how your videos with most views is the dji naza-m unboxing
2016-01-24T06:33:55 < dongs> yes
2016-01-24T06:34:08 < dongs> it pays the most too
2016-01-24T06:34:13 < dongs> i should unbox some more shit
2016-01-24T06:34:20 < upgrdman> yes
2016-01-24T06:34:44 < dongs> should combine knobfeel wiht unboxing
2016-01-24T06:34:59 < dongs> touch the stuff, and go ohh, ahh uhh, then keep goin while unboxing it
2016-01-24T06:35:15 < upgrdman> *eagerly awaits*
2016-01-24T06:49:37 < Sync> oh wtf. there are people who layout their shit in cam350
2016-01-24T06:49:59 < dongs> lol
2016-01-24T06:50:14 < dongs> sure, you can kinda do it there
2016-01-24T06:50:18 < dongs> you gotta be a real pro tho
2016-01-24T06:50:41 < Sync> well his reason is, "it can autoplace stuff"
2016-01-24T06:53:08 < dongs> wut
2016-01-24T06:54:11 < Sync> yes, apparently it can autoplace stuff so you can do automagic panel optimization
2016-01-24T06:54:32 < dongs> You must have GOOD English COMMUNICATION SKILLS. .. ONE OF THE ATMEL CONTROLLERS YOU MUST know about is the AT90USB1287 . MY BUDGET IS WHAT'S SELECTED And I CANNOT GO HIGHER THEN WHAT I POSTED. 85% OF THIS PROJECT IS PROGRAMMING TESTING DEBUGGING. 15% is hardware Help.I wll build the hardware.You must know electronics hardware design.Also must speak good ENGLISH IS PREFERRED. Only SERIOUS and Reliable BIDDERS BID on this project.
2016-01-24T06:55:14 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Card-Replicator-9440781/
2016-01-24T06:55:31 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/LOOKING-CREATE-AIRMOUSE-TILT-MOUSE/
2016-01-24T06:55:35 < dongs> haha
2016-01-24T06:55:41 < dongs> someone tell him one of -discovery shits does that out of the box
2016-01-24T06:56:37 < Sync> wtf. the card replicator
2016-01-24T06:56:46 < Sync> why does he care about emv for his cloner device
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2016-01-24T08:04:09 < dongs> zyp, you gigantic cunt. 0.1uF caps next to vreg
2016-01-24T08:04:10 < dongs> gg
2016-01-24T08:07:35 < dongs> good thing im not in china and i noticed
2016-01-24T08:11:26 < PeterM> he put them too close?
2016-01-24T08:14:12 < dongs> no, he put 0.1uF for vreg caps
2016-01-24T08:14:29 < dongs> instead of yaano something like 1-4.7uF
2016-01-24T08:14:55 < emeb_mac> lol
2016-01-24T08:15:07 < emeb_mac> make that regulator sing a song
2016-01-24T08:15:13 < PeterM> oh, lol, if was LDO 0.1u only is fine
2016-01-24T08:15:25 < PeterM> but switcher, shits gon ber noisy
2016-01-24T08:15:54 < emeb_mac> I've seen some versions of LM1117 that oscillate w/ < 10uf
2016-01-24T08:16:20 < emeb_mac> so a 10V 10uf MLCC with voltage compression will cause problems
2016-01-24T08:16:37 < PeterM> i've seen lots of lm1117s that oscillate with ceramics
2016-01-24T08:16:41 < PeterM> jsut because low esr
2016-01-24T08:16:49 < ds2> tantalums :D
2016-01-24T08:17:46 < emeb_mac> ker-blooie
2016-01-24T08:17:57 < PeterM> nto a fan of tants
2016-01-24T08:18:02 < emeb_mac> ditto
2016-01-24T08:18:10 < PeterM> largely, aluminium polymer caps ahev rep[laced them
2016-01-24T08:18:20 < PeterM> or ceramics i the lwoer capacities
2016-01-24T08:21:02 < dongs> few projs recently when i needed required capacitance i used 2x+ higher voltage rated caps amidoingitright?
2016-01-24T08:21:20 < dongs> i figured 10uF 16/25V will likely be 10uF at 3.3V
2016-01-24T08:21:26 < dongs> than 10uF 6.3V or osmethign
2016-01-24T08:21:50 < PeterM> unfortunately capacitance vs votlage curve is mainly influenced by package size, nto votlage rating of cap
2016-01-24T08:22:34 < PeterM> so 10uf 0603 at 3v3 will be 4uF, but a 10uF 1206 will be 7uf at 3v3
2016-01-24T08:22:41 < PeterM> generally
2016-01-24T08:22:49 < PeterM> regardless of voltage rating
2016-01-24T08:23:18 < PeterM> however, you  should look at the datasheet for the cap because soemtiems it shows the curve ( some datasheets are better than others, like samsung)
2016-01-24T08:23:19 < emeb_mac> I usually never go < 0803 for 10uf
2016-01-24T08:26:38 < emeb_mac> strange business when for most applications the parts are more than 50% error on the primary value. Most everyone knows it and the mfgs datasheets pretend like the problem doesn't exist.
2016-01-24T08:27:16 < dongs> heh
2016-01-24T08:28:04 < emeb_mac> would be amusing to see if they could get away with that on other types of parts
2016-01-24T08:28:28 < emeb_mac> "sorry - these resistors aren't really 10k ohms if you try to run more than 1ma thru them"
2016-01-24T08:29:16 < emeb_mac> but we won't tell you what the current is at which they're really 10k ohms, or a curve of the error vs current...
2016-01-24T08:29:34 < ds2> other reactive devices do similar things, IIRC
2016-01-24T08:29:52 < ds2> inductors loose inductance if you DC bias them too much
2016-01-24T08:30:04 < PeterM> ds2 thats usualyl well graphed though
2016-01-24T08:30:15 < emeb_mac> yes
2016-01-24T08:30:24 < ds2> I question the well graphed part
2016-01-24T08:30:32 < ds2> they do guarantee a min. value
2016-01-24T08:31:01 < emeb_mac> if it was unusual to use MLCCs for DC voltage bypass then I could see that
2016-01-24T08:31:14 < emeb_mac> but that's like 90% of what they're used for.
2016-01-24T08:31:59 < PeterM> ds2 no, most manufacturers provide a graphyu with inductance vs current at several test frequencies for each value inductor
2016-01-24T08:32:26 < ds2> PeterM: are you talking about power inductors or RF inductors or?
2016-01-24T08:32:28 < PeterM> also, most manufacturers standardise o ntheir ratigns too, like isat is current when inductance frops by 30%
2016-01-24T08:32:41 < ds2> key is "most"
2016-01-24T08:32:41 < emeb_mac> yeah - for switchin power apps they really do spec the saturation current well...
2016-01-24T08:33:20 < PeterM> ds2 because the answer is "most" if you are unhappy wiht oenthat doesn't there are many that you can choose instead that do, unlike capacitor vendors, where most DONT
2016-01-24T08:34:49 < ds2> reputeable cap mfgs document it
2016-01-24T08:35:21 < emeb_mac> heh - "reputable"
2016-01-24T08:35:38 < PeterM> the only manufactuer that does it for all lines of their ceramic caps is samsung
2016-01-24T08:35:39 < ds2> forgot who but at least one of them does it
2016-01-24T08:35:51 < ds2> not samsung
2016-01-24T08:35:55 < PeterM> other manufacturers onyl do it for their higher value lines
2016-01-24T08:36:01 < emeb_mac> ds2: I built some HF range LPFs using these abracon inductors a while back
2016-01-24T08:36:05 < emeb_mac> really happy with them
2016-01-24T08:36:23 < emeb_mac> good values in the 100 - 1000 nH range with good Q
2016-01-24T08:36:23 < ds2> abracon makes inductors? I know them for their xtals
2016-01-24T08:36:48 < emeb_mac> nice little wirewound SMD parts -> https://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=535-12521-1-ND
2016-01-24T08:37:56 < emeb_mac> some filters: http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/radio/hfrx/rf_filters.jpg
2016-01-24T08:38:13 < ds2> nice 0603
2016-01-24T08:38:18 < emeb_mac> yep
2016-01-24T08:38:37 < ds2> doesn't the ferrite core make it useless at VHF or higher?
2016-01-24T08:38:53 < emeb_mac> dunno - works great at HF tho
2016-01-24T08:39:17 < ds2> I'll have to keep that in mind... all the caps and inductors on my PCB are 0603
2016-01-24T08:39:34 < emeb_mac> didn't have any trouble with VHF stuff getting thru those filters...
2016-01-24T08:41:42 < ds2> hmm 22uH max
2016-01-24T08:43:14 < emeb_mac> yeah - I used up to 5.6uH for AM-band filters
2016-01-24T08:43:55 < ds2> need about 100uH for the pre-amp
2016-01-24T08:44:02 < emeb_mac> 50 ohm, 5th-order cheby designs.
2016-01-24T08:44:36 < ds2> do they make kits of the 0603 stuff?
2016-01-24T08:44:45 < ds2> D/K not listing any
2016-01-24T08:45:20 < PeterM> ds2 lots of mfg dont make kits, its a pain in the ass
2016-01-24T08:45:22 < emeb_mac> not that I know - I just bought a range
2016-01-24T08:45:56 < PeterM> like emeb_mac i just buy a range, often its cheaper than a kit too anyway
2016-01-24T08:46:12 < ds2> PeterM: they make kits just not for that size
2016-01-24T08:46:21 < PeterM> damn
2016-01-24T08:46:55 < PeterM> i've got a buttload of these https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10006063/1488900-12-compartment-plastic-electronic-components that i put "kits" in
2016-01-24T08:47:42 < emeb_mac> I do have a bunch of kits from other mfgs that my wife got when her old job shut down.
2016-01-24T08:47:53 < emeb_mac> lots of cool stuff from Hittite, etc.
2016-01-24T08:48:07 < emeb_mac> just pulled 'em out of the trash as she was leaving...
2016-01-24T08:48:34 < PeterM> hnnnggg
2016-01-24T08:48:53 < PeterM> tossing out hittite stuff it like "DO YOU HATE MONEY!?"\
2016-01-24T08:49:15 < emeb_mac> got a couple trays of Analog Devices NCO chips, etc.
2016-01-24T08:50:22 < emeb_mac> boxes of Mini-Circuits mixers & filters. Nice stuff to have...
2016-01-24T08:52:11 < ds2> Mmmmmm
2016-01-24T08:52:17 < PeterM> emeb_mac was not born into rf, nor did he achieve rf, by the sound of this he had rf thrust upon him
2016-01-24T08:52:26 < ds2> speaking of minicircuits, htf is one suppose to work their website?
2016-01-24T08:52:39 < emeb_mac> heh
2016-01-24T08:52:43 < emeb_mac> it's pretty awful
2016-01-24T08:52:56 < ds2> just wanted to see what xformers are available and was completely stumped
2016-01-24T08:53:08 < ds2> do they publish a paper catalog? :D
2016-01-24T08:54:19 < emeb_mac> that website seems like it was built in 1995 and hasn't changed since.
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2016-01-24T09:24:23 < dongs> zyp: your shit is done. for future projects, can you please expand that usb footprint holes by 0.1mm and also while you're at it switch to another usb connector I'll email you details.
2016-01-24T09:42:41 < dongs> same thing for new one, usb holes should be 0.1 over datasheet
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2016-01-24T11:47:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/T6OJ3F1.jpg
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2016-01-24T12:06:20 < ReadError> i dont get it
2016-01-24T12:12:55 < dongs> i fucking made it you kike
2016-01-24T12:13:19 < dongs> out of ~snow~
2016-01-24T12:13:59 < BrainDamage> is that japland?
2016-01-24T12:14:06 < dongs> ya
2016-01-24T12:16:24 < ReadError> oh didnt think you all got snow
2016-01-24T12:16:39 < dongs> we dont
2016-01-24T12:16:44 < dongs> this is like the first time in 10-20 years
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2016-01-24T12:42:41 < dongs> fucksake
2016-01-24T12:42:46 < dongs> i have to write  I2C bootloader for F103..
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2016-01-24T12:54:24 < dongs> wonder if I should bother cloning ST protocol
2016-01-24T12:54:28 < dongs> or just make up0 my own
2016-01-24T12:54:48 < dongs> cloning would probly make more sense
2016-01-24T13:04:39 < zyp> dongs, ok
2016-01-24T13:05:13 < dongs> all done, i dont see any fails, and i ahve 1each extra pcb of nfc and other thing
2016-01-24T13:05:31 < zyp> nice
2016-01-24T13:05:34 < zyp> pics? :p
2016-01-24T13:05:44 < dongs> sec
2016-01-24T13:07:42 < dongs> wtf fucking imgur wants to captcha me
2016-01-24T13:08:01 < zyp> you're spamming too much
2016-01-24T13:08:13 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/VjJIxfG.jpg
2016-01-24T13:09:10 < dongs> oops, didnt ask if it was nda
2016-01-24T13:09:20 < zyp> nah, it's fine
2016-01-24T13:10:23 < dongs> the 2 on the right nfcshits are CR95
2016-01-24T13:10:25 < dongs> the otehrts are ST
2016-01-24T13:10:37 < dongs> i need to read your last mail to see what goes tow ehre
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2016-01-24T13:15:52 < PeterM> did you get hasl, or accidentally have your programming headers in your stencil
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2016-01-24T13:16:11 < zyp> protos are usually hasl
2016-01-24T13:16:26 < PeterM> fair nuff
2016-01-24T13:16:51 < PeterM> a lot of places i use charge a flat rate for enig thats pretty reasonable so i just throw it on everything
2016-01-24T13:16:53 < dongs> both, they were hasl, and I didnt delete the pads off stencil
2016-01-24T13:17:17 < dongs> dont think its ognn be a problem
2016-01-24T13:17:27 < dongs> that dick-connect thing has teethy needles
2016-01-24T13:17:29 < PeterM> i dont either i was just wonderin
2016-01-24T13:17:38 < zyp> my stencil gerbers shouldn't have apertures there
2016-01-24T13:17:58 < dongs> zyp, every fuckign time i tell stencil fags to look at the actual fucking gerbers for making stuff, it never happens
2016-01-24T13:18:07 < zyp> hehe
2016-01-24T13:18:07 < dongs> until i repeat it liek 20 times
2016-01-24T13:18:34 < dongs> i did all my boards with proper paste masks too, for headers/connectors etc.
2016-01-24T13:19:08 < dongs> and they send me shit and its usally all wrong.
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2016-01-24T13:35:52 < dongs> also: https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/GPS-Tracking-System/
2016-01-24T13:35:56 < dongs> 1500 Indian Rupee equals
2016-01-24T13:35:57 < dongs> 22.196 US Dollar
2016-01-24T13:36:15 < dongs> should I accept for $22 and mspaint them a picture of wrist gps tracker
2016-01-24T13:39:48 < scummos> go for it
2016-01-24T13:41:52 < qyx> lol
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2016-01-24T16:37:51 < dongs> http://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/catPurrNoiseGenerator.php
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2016-01-24T16:49:33 < kakimir> is there some ultimate entry level dso 2channel atm?
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2016-01-24T17:57:40 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Graphic-Design/Fritzing-Custom-Part-Creation/
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2016-01-24T18:31:02 < dongs> https://c1.iggcdn.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_limit,w_620/v1452290228/uqw2iu8agsb0vxduzit9.jpg
2016-01-24T18:31:05 < dongs> zano 2.0
2016-01-24T18:32:19 < englishman> um
2016-01-24T18:32:27 < englishman> v939 landing gear
2016-01-24T18:33:33 < Steffanx> any video from that thing flying yet dongs?
2016-01-24T18:34:27 < dongs> https://www.facebook.com/extremefliers/videos/10153254481721512/?theater
2016-01-24T18:34:28 < dongs> haha
2016-01-24T18:34:32 < dongs> Steffanx: ^
2016-01-24T18:34:37 < dongs> they posted this and everyone is jizzing
2016-01-24T18:34:42 < dongs> when its clearly someone waving the camera in their hand
2016-01-24T18:38:41 < englishman> rofl
2016-01-24T18:38:57 < englishman> phantom pro A3+
2016-01-24T18:39:04 < englishman> gold 4k edition
2016-01-24T18:39:23 < dongs> ^
2016-01-24T18:39:32 < dongs> A2M or something rihgt.
2016-01-24T18:39:36 < dongs> or is there A3 now
2016-01-24T18:40:15 < mitrax> i'm using semihosting to printout to openocd, it's slow as shit, like 2 characters per second, wtf?
2016-01-24T18:40:38 < englishman> dji is $10bn valuation now
2016-01-24T18:40:41 < englishman> half that of whatsapp
2016-01-24T18:41:02 < dongs> englishman: much profit from stolen opensores eh
2016-01-24T18:41:12 < englishman> just like gobro
2016-01-24T18:41:23 < dongs> i remember when gobro.com whois had the guys info on it still
2016-01-24T18:41:42 < englishman> proprietary flyaway algorithms
2016-01-24T18:41:43 < dongs> when it was liek in garage
2016-01-24T18:42:01 < englishman> sheeit
2016-01-24T18:42:05 < englishman> i remember gobro 35mm
2016-01-24T18:42:19 < englishman> in the back pages of popular science or something
2016-01-24T18:43:11 < dongs> no idea
2016-01-24T18:43:17 < dongs> its your $800 that you will watch fly away
2016-01-24T18:44:24 < englishman> It was in Muncie that Wang first met Colin Guinn, a well-built Texan, whose angular good looks once graced reality TV show The Amazing Race
2016-01-24T18:44:25 < englishman> heh
2016-01-24T18:44:27 < englishman> and history was made
2016-01-24T18:45:57 < dongs> PIDONGS
2016-01-24T18:46:35 < mitrax> nvm, fixed
2016-01-24T18:47:41 < dongs> put it inside shiny plastic case
2016-01-24T18:47:53 < dongs> sold to faggots w ho like shiny white shit
2016-01-24T18:47:58 < dongs> made app for iPhone
2016-01-24T18:48:00 < mitrax> ahaha
2016-01-24T18:48:03 < dongs> profit
2016-01-24T18:48:38 < dongs> If thats the best video that is available,after all this time,I am afraid it would not convince me to buy a Micro Drone 3.0.Six minutes would be a fairer time,I hope to see more video released.
2016-01-24T18:48:49 < dongs> R2COM: i dont wanna be involved with faggots who like shiny white shit
2016-01-24T18:49:42 < dongs> thats the gayspire
2016-01-24T18:50:14 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqhwSX6VXf4
2016-01-24T18:50:17 < dongs> this is my favorite DJI vid
2016-01-24T18:50:52 < dongs> (skip to :30 if youre bored)
2016-01-24T18:51:17 < mitrax> AHAHAH
2016-01-24T18:52:05 < dongs> R2COM: shitty code, something compass related if I remember.
2016-01-24T18:52:14 < dongs> they had to fly them for like weeks at a tiem under debugger to fidn it
2016-01-24T18:52:24 < dongs> tied down in open space + waiting for fail
2016-01-24T18:52:36 < dongs> then they posted a video like OMG WE SPENT WEEKS TRACKIGN IT DOWN AND FINALYL WE DID IT
2016-01-24T18:52:54 < dongs> oh sure
2016-01-24T18:53:01 < dongs> i mean its not like some isolated problem
2016-01-24T18:53:14 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-24T18:54:41 < dongs> compass is inside gps shit on that one
2016-01-24T18:54:59 < englishman> every single dji owner ever has experienced flyaway
2016-01-24T18:55:01 < englishman> 100%
2016-01-24T18:55:05 < englishman> no joke
2016-01-24T18:55:21 < englishman> in that video where they tether s800s or whatever and hover them for days
2016-01-24T18:55:29 < englishman> you can clearly see some of them try to fly away
2016-01-24T18:55:32 < englishman> but they are tethered
2016-01-24T18:55:44 < dongs> yeah, im tryin to find it + associated article but not seeing
2016-01-24T18:55:58 < dongs> found article
2016-01-24T18:56:06 < dongs> http://www.suasnews.com/2012/10/dji-finds-firmware-bug-causing-spontaneous-s800-system-failure/
2016-01-24T18:56:19 < englishman> why are you concerned with shitty wobbly plastic trash today R2COM
2016-01-24T18:56:24 < englishman> spacex out of ideas?
2016-01-24T18:56:32 < dongs> haha
2016-01-24T18:56:51 < dongs> better things to assburger over
2016-01-24T18:57:00 < englishman> what is practical use to uou
2016-01-24T18:57:05 < englishman> hovering in place/
2016-01-24T18:57:07 < englishman> ?
2016-01-24T18:57:14 < englishman> use a selfie stick
2016-01-24T18:58:07 < dongs> The IMU firmware upgrade will be released within the next several weeks and will have superior solutions for the following: better resistance to vibration, less white lights and better compass tracking.
2016-01-24T18:58:55 < kakimir> do they compensate destroyed shiet?
2016-01-24T19:01:34 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWn4kg18NNw
2016-01-24T19:01:38 < dongs> another zanoclone
2016-01-24T19:01:50 < dongs> these guys didnt evne bother turning off time/date stamp on the chinqcamera they used
2016-01-24T19:02:06 < dongs> like #808 thing or whatever
2016-01-24T19:02:12 < englishman> R2COM: actually dji has an interesting "hardware lowpass filter" theyve used since the beginning
2016-01-24T19:02:21 < englishman> where the imu is mounted in a lead cube and attached with foam
2016-01-24T19:02:44 < englishman> nobody else does that
2016-01-24T19:04:45 < zyp> xray cloning filter
2016-01-24T19:13:41 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhzQ_Y-uh5k ahahaha onagofly marketing video
2016-01-24T19:15:18 < englishman> is that copypasted from zano video
2016-01-24T19:15:25 < dongs> fucking almost
2016-01-24T19:15:31 < dongs> same retarded scenes
2016-01-24T19:15:45 < dongs> cliff, getting drunk at table, posting to failbook
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2016-01-24T19:17:43 < englishman> some of that is still handheld
2016-01-24T19:18:36 < dongs> Guess what , this guy is the big boss of Indiegogo (technology) who likes Onagofly VERY MUCH , and BTW , thanks TJ , thanks for backing us and never let me know
2016-01-24T19:18:47 < dongs> i know why he likes onagofly very much
2016-01-24T19:19:06 < dongs> cuz he got to keep whatever % of 1.8mil flexible goal
2016-01-24T19:19:15 < dongs> flex is 10% i think?
2016-01-24T19:19:34 < Sync> something like that
2016-01-24T19:19:42 < englishman> haha its literally same video
2016-01-24T19:19:47 < englishman> complete with object avoidance
2016-01-24T19:20:07 < englishman> 5000hr on hobby brushless motors lol k
2016-01-24T19:20:24 < dongs> hobby brushed you mean
2016-01-24T19:20:33 < englishman> render shows brushless
2016-01-24T19:20:36 < dongs> fuck off
2016-01-24T19:20:37 < dongs> where
2016-01-24T19:20:53 < englishman> 1:54
2016-01-24T19:21:18 < dongs> brushless dc, much wow
2016-01-24T19:21:35 < dongs> there's no fucking way its brushless
2016-01-24T19:22:02 < englishman> at like 1:07 they look brushed tho
2016-01-24T19:22:10 < englishman> push on props dead giveaway
2016-01-24T19:22:49 < englishman> 1:19 look brushless again
2016-01-24T19:25:36 < dongs> Torsten Curdt 3 weeks ago Wow - that video quality really is crap. Glad I didn't back this.
2016-01-24T19:25:39 < dongs> haha
2016-01-24T19:29:22 < Lux> at least they seem to have a proper soc and no pic
2016-01-24T19:29:41 < dongs> sure its just #808cam
2016-01-24T19:29:46 < dongs> with wifi i guess
2016-01-24T19:30:00 < dongs> better than zano and flies.
2016-01-24T19:30:19 < Lux> could be, the rendering kinda looked like it had an exynos logo on the pcb
2016-01-24T19:30:29 < Lux> but that's probably just me imagining things
2016-01-24T19:30:43 < dongs> haha wat no
2016-01-24T19:31:24 < dongs> its some novatek or wahtever shit for cam SoC and probably some stolen opensores for the flight part
2016-01-24T19:31:42 < dongs> if this was legit they would never have videos with a fucking timestamp in the corner
2016-01-24T19:31:48 < dongs> that looks identical to 808 cams
2016-01-24T19:31:53 < Lux> that's most likely
2016-01-24T19:32:10 < Lux> also the video would look better if they were using something proper
2016-01-24T19:32:51 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZoS51l4IGE i guess it is brushless
2016-01-24T19:33:08 < dongs> she is so fucking ugly
2016-01-24T19:33:19 < dongs> what hte fuck is wrong wiht her left eye
2016-01-24T19:33:22 < dongs> looks like a fucking blackeye
2016-01-24T19:33:27 < englishman> is taht why flight videos are cropped
2016-01-24T19:33:30 < englishman> they all have timestamp
2016-01-24T19:33:42 < dongs> wait the blackeye is on both eyes
2016-01-24T19:34:03 < Steffanx> dongs is out of the western world for a while now i guess
2016-01-24T19:34:32 < dongs> englishman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoq6dTcsP6Q they're not cropped, tehre's just fucking timestamp in all of htem
2016-01-24T19:34:46 < englishman> lol
2016-01-24T19:34:52 < englishman> that isnt 808/mobius timestamp tho
2016-01-24T19:35:07 < dongs> pretty sure you can choose fonts in mobius
2016-01-24T19:35:14 < dongs> maybe not DEFAULT mobius but def one of #80xwahtever
2016-01-24T19:35:17 < englishman> and that is handheld
2016-01-24T19:35:32 < dongs> ya?
2016-01-24T19:35:37 < dongs> think some dick is on a chair holding it?
2016-01-24T19:35:47 < englishman> with too much caffeine
2016-01-24T19:41:36 < englishman> nobody else is flying drones at their booths
2016-01-24T19:41:41 < englishman> they are all in these mesh cages
2016-01-24T19:41:44 < dongs> rite
2016-01-24T19:41:53 < dongs> but onagofly can make exception
2016-01-24T19:41:56 < dongs> cuz theirs is so safe
2016-01-24T19:42:15 < Sync> prob not
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2016-01-24T20:06:55 < dongs> this is probably why you don't have a girlfriend
2016-01-24T20:09:03 < Steffanx> sexy
2016-01-24T20:11:29 < dongs> Just heard truck with chain tires drive by
2016-01-24T20:11:45 < dongs> yes
2016-01-24T20:11:49 < Steffanx> Could be worse R2COM. But im not sure what all the make up hides.
2016-01-24T20:11:55 < zyp> snow apocalypse
2016-01-24T20:12:02 < dongs> Japan is in shutdown mode tomrorow
2016-01-24T20:12:09 < dongs> I think school + work is closed
2016-01-24T20:12:18 < Steffanx> also snow in dongsland?
2016-01-24T20:12:25 < dongs> my car navigation this evening was all lit up with accidents and roads closed
2016-01-24T20:12:31 < Steffanx> We need snow in dutchland
2016-01-24T20:12:32 < zyp> haha
2016-01-24T20:12:41 < dongs> due to ~snow~
2016-01-24T20:13:19 < zyp> dongs, aren't you from alaska or something? I guess you're used to snow
2016-01-24T20:13:43 < dongs> yeah, i dont care about it
2016-01-24T20:13:48 < dongs> its all the japs crashing
2016-01-24T20:14:20 < dongs> i did have to look for some proper winter clothes to make that igloo
2016-01-24T20:14:58 < zyp> I were in jp last year this time, had to buy new shoes because my winter shoes were too hot
2016-01-24T20:15:38 < zyp> yeah, that's fucking annoying
2016-01-24T20:15:44 < zyp> they do it here in south norway too
2016-01-24T20:16:13 < dongs> here shit rusts even without salt
2016-01-24T20:16:19 < dongs> probably due to humidity + near ocean
2016-01-24T20:16:41 < dongs> i bought new bike last year summer, keep it in garage (open, but not under rain/elements)
2016-01-24T20:16:51 < dongs> tehre's steel screws/wahtever on it
2016-01-24T20:16:54 < dongs> that are rusting already.
2016-01-24T20:16:56 < zyp> in the north they're sanding the roads instead of salting them, much better
2016-01-24T20:17:15 < Sync> depends on what people are driving
2016-01-24T20:17:21 < Sync> if they have studded tires, sand is fine
2016-01-24T20:17:32 < Sync> but if people drive around on M+Ts you need salt
2016-01-24T20:17:57 < zyp> haha
2016-01-24T20:18:45 < zyp> I actually ordered my new car with studless winter tires
2016-01-24T20:18:57 < zyp> but I'm not going to drive it north in the winter anyway
2016-01-24T20:19:00 < Sync> err M+S
2016-01-24T20:19:13 < zyp> most people in the north run studded, I think
2016-01-24T20:19:15 < Sync> mud + snow
2016-01-24T20:19:22 < Sync> but really, all seasons suck hard
2016-01-24T20:19:29 < englishman> i had subaru with studded tires, most fun in winter evar
2016-01-24T20:19:39 < Sync> no grip in the wet, no grip in the hot, no grip on snow
2016-01-24T20:19:52 < englishman> now volvo with regular winters, still fun to doriftu but too heavy
2016-01-24T20:19:53 < zyp> «all seasons» only work if all seasons are rather similar
2016-01-24T20:20:05 < celeron55> carmakers probably prefer the convenience of M+S and salt to destroy the cars so that people have to buy new ones
2016-01-24T20:20:06 < englishman> all seasons = shit in all seasons
2016-01-24T20:20:10 < zyp> ah
2016-01-24T20:20:13 < zyp> just like java
2016-01-24T20:20:17 < Sync> kek no celeron55
2016-01-24T20:20:23 < Sync> the problem is road maintainance
2016-01-24T20:20:29 < Sync> studs mess up the roads
2016-01-24T20:20:43 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-24T20:20:54 < englishman> snow removal and chains mess up roads way more
2016-01-24T20:20:55 < Sync> can't rebuild the roads every spring
2016-01-24T20:20:59 < Steffanx> In this country its even forbidden to drive around with studded tires.
2016-01-24T20:21:04 < englishman> but salt is the worst for roads
2016-01-24T20:21:05 < zyp> in Oslo and a few other cities here, you have to pay a fee to drive studded tires inside the city borders
2016-01-24T20:21:22 < Sync> well, they don't salt here unless it is absolutely needed
2016-01-24T20:21:36 < englishman> studs are legal for like 3 months here
2016-01-24T20:21:54 < Steffanx> plastic.
2016-01-24T20:21:55 < zyp> englishman, same
2016-01-24T20:21:56 < Sync> they basically do R2COM
2016-01-24T20:22:03 < englishman> sure, carbon fibre all the things
2016-01-24T20:22:04 < Sync> almost all cars are zinc dipped
2016-01-24T20:22:10 < englishman> then, you have to replace gelcoat every year
2016-01-24T20:22:24 < Sync> because they are cheapshit
2016-01-24T20:22:55 < Sync> no
2016-01-24T20:23:00 < Sync> as they are japanese
2016-01-24T20:23:09 < Sync> every german manufacturer
2016-01-24T20:23:20 < englishman> vw has been doing that 12 layer process for like 8 years
2016-01-24T20:23:23 < englishman> after audi
2016-01-24T20:24:04 < englishman> it will stave off rust more than hyundai but everything will rust eventually
2016-01-24T20:25:15 < englishman> park indoors, dont drive in winter, wash weekly
2016-01-24T20:25:19 < Sync> nah
2016-01-24T20:25:27 < Sync> well, 2000s era benzes were shit
2016-01-24T20:25:31 < Sync> as they changed to water based paint
2016-01-24T20:25:34 < Sync> which sucked
2016-01-24T20:25:44 < englishman> i have summer ride and winter hooptie
2016-01-24T20:25:47 < englishman> swap em out
2016-01-24T20:25:53 < englishman> easier than changing tires
2016-01-24T20:27:14 < englishman> shit is awful
2016-01-24T20:27:17 < englishman> traps all the salt in
2016-01-24T20:27:20 < englishman> impossible to clean
2016-01-24T20:27:53 < englishman> probably blocks water egress points too
2016-01-24T20:28:26 < celeron55> i wonder how aluminium bodied cars react to salt and stuff
2016-01-24T20:28:31 < englishman> and park indoors
2016-01-24T20:28:46 < englishman> ever seen a rusty delorean?
2016-01-24T20:28:47 < englishman> :)
2016-01-24T20:29:10 < englishman> yeah but you dont have to clean off your car before driving
2016-01-24T20:30:40 < englishman> no
2016-01-24T20:30:42 < englishman> but its nice
2016-01-24T20:30:43 < celeron55> parking indoors can actually make salt worse as it melts all the snow and ice and keeps the surfaces moist all the time
2016-01-24T20:30:52 < celeron55> if there's no enough heat and ventilation
2016-01-24T20:30:58 < celeron55> to dry it off quickly
2016-01-24T20:31:46 < dongs> jet fuel will melt aluminum beams
2016-01-24T20:31:56 < celeron55> what
2016-01-24T20:32:12 < celeron55> won't *melt*? :D
2016-01-24T20:32:47 < dongs> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/jet-fuel-can-t-melt-steel-beams
2016-01-24T20:32:50 < dongs> lurk moar
2016-01-24T20:33:58 < ReadError> its a well known fact, the jews did 9/11
2016-01-24T20:34:05 < ReadError> dongs told me
2016-01-24T20:35:04 < kakimir> must be true
2016-01-24T20:36:44 < kakimir> always blame jews even when it was collaboration of us, britts and israel intelligence agencies
2016-01-24T20:37:07 < Steffanx> us = finnish?
2016-01-24T20:37:14 < Steffanx> :P
2016-01-24T20:37:26 < kakimir> it slipped
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2016-01-24T20:39:02 < Steffanx> You had to do military service kakimir?
2016-01-24T20:39:15 < Steffanx> thats still a thing in finland not?
2016-01-24T20:39:15 < kakimir> dones
2016-01-24T20:39:20 < kakimir> yes
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2016-01-24T20:39:58 < jpa-> it's mandatory only so far as otherwise one has to spend 1 year at home on irc
2016-01-24T20:40:26 < kakimir> I have ability to listen orders and operate weaponry and not to fuck up too much
2016-01-24T20:41:02 < Steffanx> Sounds like something you would prefer jpa-
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2016-01-24T20:41:22 < kakimir> ak47 based rk62
2016-01-24T20:41:23 < jpa-> nah, i went to museum to irc for one year, because it pays better
2016-01-24T20:42:50 < zyp> haha
2016-01-24T20:44:15 < Sync> R2COM: stop trolling, the A7 front is plastic
2016-01-24T20:44:54 < jpa-> it's really pretty ridiculous, i think both myself and my wife got 1000e/month each for the duration that i was in the museum chatting on irc and doing silly small things like upgrading drupal or fixing crashed windows pcs
2016-01-24T20:44:58 < zyp> I got this «hey, come do military service» letter the same year I started uni, so I filled out and replied with the «not now, I'm busy with uni» form
2016-01-24T20:45:13 < jpa-> compared to the 500e/month study money it's quite an upgrade
2016-01-24T20:45:22 < kakimir> if everybody would try to do something useful instead of staying year in decaying barracks playing silly rolegame
2016-01-24T20:45:40 < zyp> a few years after uni I got the «so, you're too old and now we don't want you anyway» letter
2016-01-24T20:46:27 < Steffanx> Drupal, php.. are you sure it was BETTER jpa-?
2016-01-24T20:46:33 < BrainDamage> i had the same, except they completely cancelled draft
2016-01-24T20:46:44 < BrainDamage> .. the year later
2016-01-24T20:46:45 < jpa-> Steffanx: yes; it's not like i could work as a programmer if i couldn't handle a bit of crappy code
2016-01-24T20:46:55 < kakimir> is there php free internets?
2016-01-24T20:47:15 < kakimir> in perspective of web admin
2016-01-24T20:47:16 < jpa-> zyp: that works here also, but because they start drafting at 18 and the age limit is 30, one has to live in purgatory for a looong time
2016-01-24T20:47:27 < BrainDamage> why do you care about shit php, that abomination only runs server side
2016-01-24T20:47:29 < Sync> the A4 front is also plastic
2016-01-24T20:47:33 < jpa-> every year or two getting the letter and wondering if the reasons would pass this time
2016-01-24T20:47:39 < Sync> dunno what you are talking about
2016-01-24T20:47:50 < Sync> do you mean the fenders?
2016-01-24T20:48:00 < Sync> they only rust if there is damage
2016-01-24T20:48:18 < kakimir> BrainDamage: because you want to maintain shit that has been done by sane people.. php is totally stoned mentality
2016-01-24T20:48:27 < jpa-> zyp: btw, i got my ebike working now also; you are right, it's really great to have electric assist :)
2016-01-24T20:48:27 < Sync> that is the fender R2COM
2016-01-24T20:48:47 < zyp> nice
2016-01-24T20:48:51 < zyp> how much power?
2016-01-24T20:48:52 < jpa-> kakimir: one can do shit in any language.. wait no, one *will* do shit in any language
2016-01-24T20:48:54 < Sync> only if you want to stay fat
2016-01-24T20:49:03 < zyp> Sync, yeah, I'm super fat
2016-01-24T20:49:04 < jpa-> zyp: 250W nominal
2016-01-24T20:49:20 < zyp> ah, same restrictions as in norway then?
2016-01-24T20:49:20 < kakimir> I think the secret of php is that it looks so shit that you can't see if you have done shit or not
2016-01-24T20:49:56 < jpa-> zyp: guess so; i'm not fully meeting them yet as i don̈́'t have pedal sensor, just accelerometer.. but i think i'll be able to detect pedalling from that also
2016-01-24T20:49:57 < kakimir> because it always looks bad
2016-01-24T20:50:10 < zyp> jpa-, haha, wat
2016-01-24T20:50:28 < zyp> well, fuck the regulations
2016-01-24T20:50:51 < jpa-> yeah, not like it matters; but would be nice for usage also
2016-01-24T20:50:59 < zyp> true
2016-01-24T20:51:09 < zyp> mine only has a cadence sensor, not torque
2016-01-24T20:51:24 < zyp> so the assist is kinda on-off
2016-01-24T20:51:26 < jpa-> basically the pedalling shows up as a sine wave on the accelerometer; the DC value is hills and actual acceleration, and the amplitude is the force needed to overcome rolling resistance etc.
2016-01-24T20:51:30 < Steffanx> Got yourself some inwheel motor or using some cheap chinese "addon"?
2016-01-24T20:51:59 < jpa-> Steffanx: front hub motor yeah
2016-01-24T20:51:59 < zyp> Steffanx, I got the Bafang BBS01
2016-01-24T20:52:07 < zyp> which is middle motor
2016-01-24T20:53:01 < jpa-> http://www.greenbikekit.com/bafang-swxk-hub-engines.html   i have this one
2016-01-24T20:53:48 < Sync> so basically useless if you don't have torque sensing
2016-01-24T20:53:57 < jpa-> Sync: ?
2016-01-24T20:54:07 < jpa-> zyp: i wanted to avoid on-off assist and so far the accelerometer method seems quite promising.. only real problem i've detected is that if the weight of the biker is too small then the bike would run away ;)
2016-01-24T20:54:22 < Sync> the cheap pedelec I repaired for a friend of mine tried to accel in pulses when you had the pedals in the wrong place
2016-01-24T20:54:25 < Sync> pos.
2016-01-24T20:54:41 < zyp> Sync, nah, I find mine works just fine
2016-01-24T20:54:41 < jpa-> ah you're talking to zyp?
2016-01-24T20:55:13 < zyp> I think it's some kind of curve related to cadence too
2016-01-24T20:55:28 < Steffanx> You (re-attached) the spokes etc. yourself or how did you do it jpa-?
2016-01-24T20:55:55 < Steffanx> or just a kit which included it all
2016-01-24T20:56:02 < jpa-> Steffanx: yeah, saved on shipping by getting just the motor and spokes, and bought the rim locally
2016-01-24T20:56:16 < Sync> well it worked fine too, but it was annoying zyp
2016-01-24T20:56:33 < Sync> the bosch one works much better
2016-01-24T20:56:42 < zyp> Sync, can't say anything about what you tried, I find that my BBS01 is just fine :p
2016-01-24T20:57:51 < zyp> 250W isn't a ton of power anyway
2016-01-24T20:58:32 < Sync> well, for me the problem is, the things cut out at like 25kmh
2016-01-24T20:58:36 < Sync> and that was all the time
2016-01-24T20:58:43 < zyp> haha, true
2016-01-24T20:58:58 < zyp> I set the speed limit of mine to 60
2016-01-24T20:59:23 < zyp> which I won't hit anyway unless downhill :p
2016-01-24T20:59:53 < jpa-> http://kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/pix/ebike_graph.png  my morning route
2016-01-24T21:00:51 < zyp> that looks slow
2016-01-24T21:01:00 < jpa-> i obey the limits :P
2016-01-24T21:01:01 < zyp> I mean, I guess you're actually following the 25km/h limit
2016-01-24T21:01:02 < zyp> :p
2016-01-24T21:01:16 < zyp> I do around 35 on flat ground
2016-01-24T21:01:23 < zyp> I think
2016-01-24T21:01:27 < jpa-> well, atleast the speed limit.. i don't actually limit the watts but the torque
2016-01-24T21:02:06 < Sync> well, the speed limit is actually not too bad for the average rider
2016-01-24T21:02:16 < zyp> is speed logged as 0 when unpowered?
2016-01-24T21:02:33 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, the motor has integrated freewheeling clutch
2016-01-24T21:02:41 < zyp> ah, of course
2016-01-24T21:03:47 < jpa-> i found out it also has a sensor for reading the speed when the motor is not spinning, but i haven't put that to use (not sure if i need it anyway)
2016-01-24T21:04:20 < jpa-> not sure if i should repurpose that wire for a motor temperature sensor when summer comes
2016-01-24T21:04:24 < zyp> I'm kinda tempted to build another bike with a CX frame and a more powerful motor
2016-01-24T21:04:27 < zyp> for going faster
2016-01-24T21:04:50 < Sync> just pedal faster
2016-01-24T21:04:55 < jpa-> the new regulations in finland are silly; they allow 1kW for segways, but not for bikes
2016-01-24T21:05:15 < zyp> well, segways are regulated pretty differently from bikes here
2016-01-24T21:05:40 < jpa-> segways used to be not allowed for road traffic here, but it changed in the beginning of this year
2016-01-24T21:05:42 < zyp> since ebikes are assist-only
2016-01-24T21:05:49 < zyp> same
2016-01-24T21:05:59 < zyp> or not this year, but recently
2016-01-24T21:07:09 < Sync> swagways need to be registered as a moped here
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2016-01-24T21:37:39 < Rob235> what would you use to smooth out ultrasonic range readings? a simple low pass filter?
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2016-01-24T21:51:07 < Laurenceb_> maybe something a bit more sophisticated
2016-01-24T21:51:22 < Laurenceb_> try plotting so data to see what it looks like
2016-01-24T21:55:28 < Steffanx> That 25km/h you guys refer to, is that the actual speed limit or the "assist-till-this-speed"-limit?
2016-01-24T21:57:38 < jpa-> Steffanx: assist-till-this-speed limit
2016-01-24T21:57:39 < Sync> the latter
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2016-01-24T21:57:59 < Rob235> it does get random values every couple seconds that with the low pass filter throw it off a few inches.  Maybe I'll estimate what it should be based on the rate of change and factor that in.
2016-01-24T21:58:13 < jpa-> Rob235: of the simple filters, "trimmed mean" is usually pretty great
2016-01-24T21:58:24 < Steffanx> I guess that's all EU crap, because it seems to be the same everywhere.
2016-01-24T21:58:43 < Rob235> could I just get the difference between the estimate and the actual reading and if the difference is too great ignore the reading?
2016-01-24T21:59:21 < jpa-> Rob235: yes, that is one way to do it, though if you initial estimate is wrong, then you'll get totally wrong results
2016-01-24T21:59:49 < Rob235> yea that could end badly
2016-01-24T22:00:05 < Rob235> so you suggest looking into trimmed mean filter?
2016-01-24T22:00:57 < jpa-> it's nice in that you can adjust it freely between median (which eliminates outliers well) and average (which eliminates small noise well)
2016-01-24T22:01:22 < jpa-> if you only get those outliers, a basic median filter can run a bit faster as you don't need a full sort
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2016-01-24T22:02:36 < Rob235> the sensor seems fairly stable except for those outliers that throw it off every few seconds so getting rid of the outliers is probably enough.  I'll try that first
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2016-01-24T22:02:53 < Rob235> with the low pass filter I'm already using
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2016-01-24T22:23:05 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/thumb/1453149981603.jpg
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2016-01-24T23:56:09 < upgrdman> chewing gum    https://media.giphy.com/media/bwKWOFRrKu4zC/giphy.gif
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2016-01-24T23:59:05 < upgrdman> craftswoman  http://i.imgur.com/dfBN7cN.jpg
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2016-01-25T00:02:10 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/Wu1KMyd.gifv
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2016-01-25T00:20:05 < kakimir> so what is her book there?
2016-01-25T00:21:16 < kakimir> tolstoi -
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2016-01-25T00:26:08 < kakimir> I'm a bit scared of russian chicks without pants that refer to tolstoi works
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2016-01-25T00:28:42 < kakimir> I have not read
2016-01-25T00:30:15 < Laurenceb_> https://medium.com/@josh8chan/why-i-quit-8chan-former-lead-developer-tells-all-e67b3a4891f7#.lpqljq61m
2016-01-25T00:30:41 < Laurenceb_> the FBI already has access to IP addresses on 8chan (yes, the FBI actually does have global moderator status funnily enough)
2016-01-25T00:30:51 < Laurenceb_> LOL
2016-01-25T00:31:38 -!- Amkei [~Amkei@unaffiliated/amkei] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
2016-01-25T00:31:53 < Laurenceb_> After a bit of research I learned that Red Hat is itself an NSA subsidiary
2016-01-25T00:35:05 < kakimir> totally
2016-01-25T00:36:01 < kakimir> that is why you dont touch anything that has not been approved by Guru Stallman himself
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2016-01-25T00:37:12 < Sync> kek Laurenceb_
2016-01-25T00:40:24 < kakimir> how dissapointed you are to hear that chans are actually public walls that intelligence agencies etc. intresses sponsor
2016-01-25T00:41:23 < kakimir> in case you fall off from facebook there is something to monitor you
2016-01-25T00:41:24 < Laurenceb_> well ED is confirmed run by the FBI
2016-01-25T00:41:33 < kakimir> ED?
2016-01-25T00:41:45 < Laurenceb_> Encyclopedia Dramatica
2016-01-25T00:42:11 < kakimir> hah :D
2016-01-25T00:42:44 < Laurenceb_> person who runs it said so on their linkedin page
2016-01-25T00:43:08 < Laurenceb_>  "FBI digital forensics"
2016-01-25T00:44:01 < Sync> prob trolling
2016-01-25T00:45:07 < Laurenceb_> https://www.linkedin.com/in/sherroddegrippo
2016-01-25T00:45:34 < Laurenceb_> I've previously held a Top Secret or "Q"​ clearance and would be comfortable holding a federal government clearance again.
2016-01-25T00:45:47 < Laurenceb_> FBI bit has been removed
2016-01-25T00:46:35 < Laurenceb_> lol image search for sherroddegrippo
2016-01-25T00:47:00 < Sync> * Packet analysis and intrusion investigation using Snort and TCPdump.
2016-01-25T00:47:01 < Sync> pro
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2016-01-25T00:58:15 < Sync> asks the fbi guy
2016-01-25T01:03:55 < kakimir> there is no doubt about it
2016-01-25T01:04:21 < kakimir> but which agency payroll R2COM is on?
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2016-01-25T01:04:54 < jadew> what what?
2016-01-25T01:06:41 < PeterM> the easiest way to find the fbi guy is to pull a laurenceb_ and go "are there any 12 year old girls here?"
2016-01-25T01:07:00 < zyp> just dongs
2016-01-25T01:07:09 < jadew> haha
2016-01-25T01:07:21 < PeterM> nah, dongs is 13, was 12 last year
2016-01-25T01:08:27 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0swUc492hU
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2016-01-25T01:09:35 < jadew> lol
2016-01-25T01:09:49 < jadew> rats are cheaper than dogs I guess
2016-01-25T01:11:08 < jadew> it all comes down to the training, they can't learn from mistakes in the field
2016-01-25T01:12:15 < kakimir> not enought heavy to set off mines
2016-01-25T01:12:25 < jadew> ah, good point
2016-01-25T01:13:08 < jadew> holly crap, that rat is so sweet
2016-01-25T01:13:55 < Sync> that is why there are mine clearing ferrets
2016-01-25T01:14:12 < jadew> they are heavy enough to detonate them?
2016-01-25T01:14:33 < Sync> no
2016-01-25T01:15:06 < PeterM> they probably take care of snakes while they're at it too (ferrets)
2016-01-25T01:15:21 < Sync> or you do it african style and drive animals through the mine field
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2016-01-25T01:19:44 < Laurenceb_> I am dissapoint
2016-01-25T01:19:54 < Laurenceb_> was expecting to see rats exploding
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2016-01-25T01:33:30 < Sync> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f99_1185693673 Laurenceb_
2016-01-25T01:34:43 < Laurenceb_> why did I know a video of that would be on liveleak
2016-01-25T01:36:03 < kakimir> animals are more valuable when not torn into pieces with explosives
2016-01-25T01:36:22 < kakimir> in real money
2016-01-25T01:37:04 < kakimir> that is crazy
2016-01-25T01:37:42 < kakimir> those are not personel mines
2016-01-25T01:37:54 < kakimir> those are anti vehicle
2016-01-25T01:45:59 < kakimir> 300kph?
2016-01-25T01:47:56 < kakimir> do you have research on this?
2016-01-25T01:49:06 < Sync> depends on the mine R2COM, but yeah
2016-01-25T01:50:24 < Sync> well kakimir real pros use them in combination
2016-01-25T01:54:02 < kakimir> where did you say you work Sync ?
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2016-01-25T01:56:44 < Sync> ^
2016-01-25T01:56:47 < zyp> network admin at pornhub sounds like a pretty solid job
2016-01-25T01:56:57 < zyp> it's not like it's going to disappear anytime soon
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2016-01-25T01:58:01 < zyp> especially when unemployment rates in other industries are increasing, since more people will just sit home and masturbate then
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2016-01-25T01:59:21 < kakimir> but seriously.. who is Sync ?
2016-01-25T01:59:39 < kakimir> he doesn't shitpost all day
2016-01-25T02:00:08 < zyp> maybe you should learn from him
2016-01-25T02:02:39 < Laurenceb_> <zyp> network admin at pornhub sounds like a pretty solid job
2016-01-25T02:02:45 < Laurenceb_> yes, but very hard
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2016-01-25T02:03:28 < zyp> haha
2016-01-25T02:04:58 < Sync> I wonder how much the power consumption of pornhub changes at the load peaks
2016-01-25T02:05:54 < PeterM> probably not much, i'd say they get akami or someone to do the heavy lifting
2016-01-25T02:07:03 < Sync> I don't think so
2016-01-25T02:07:24 < Sync> iirc they are just throwing lots of desktop boxes at the problem
2016-01-25T02:09:33 < PeterM> For you enterprise freaks out there, Pornhub revealed some details about its partners and staff: Their development team has about 15 people, and they use Level 3 and Limelight Networks for their content delivery network (CDN) needs.
2016-01-25T02:09:34 < PeterM> As for how they keep their video player running smoothly, Gitalto says, "I keep our flash developers in a cage programming 24/7. We accept nothing less."
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2016-01-25T02:16:51 < Laurenceb_> what the fuck only 15 staff
2016-01-25T02:17:30 < Laurenceb_> so much for internets being a source of employment
2016-01-25T02:17:46 < Laurenceb_> delivering the worlds pr0n with 15 staff
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2016-01-25T02:50:58 < kakimir> well look at it
2016-01-25T02:51:11 < kakimir> it looks exactly same than 5years ago
2016-01-25T02:51:18 < kakimir> also videos are recycled
2016-01-25T02:51:29 < kakimir> and it kinda works
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2016-01-25T03:03:38 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM1FFhaWj9w daily dosage of numberphile
2016-01-25T03:18:53 < Laurenceb_> http://www.aux.tv/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/GAC-favbandsyndrome.png
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2016-01-25T03:51:17 < kakimir> you need to shitpost 20times harder to become a champion Laurenceb_
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2016-01-25T04:17:13 < Rob235> I'm sure this level of filtering is unnecessary but I median filtered then did a simple low pass filter of the ultrasonic range sensor and it works so much better than I thought it would
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2016-01-25T05:05:33 < dongs> getting stoned
2016-01-25T05:10:58 < Laurenceb_> Rob235: yeah median filters are very nice
2016-01-25T05:11:46 < Laurenceb_> although they get a bit demanding as you increase the window size, probably not an issue for you tho
2016-01-25T05:12:00 < Laurenceb_> you arent going to have like 1024 window size :P
2016-01-25T05:12:15 < Rob235> I'm using 10 right now and its plenty
2016-01-25T05:13:21 < Rob235> 9 actually...
2016-01-25T05:13:31 < Rob235> to have an odd number
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2016-01-25T05:21:42 < Laurenceb_> yeah I was using it to clean ADC noise on F4, with ADC running at full speed
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2016-01-25T05:57:03 < Rob235> it should work well on a pressure sensor too right?
2016-01-25T05:59:35 < Rob235> oh nvm, I forgot I'm using a kalman filter for that
2016-01-25T06:01:49 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Electronic-Engineer-9450926/
2016-01-25T06:01:53 < dongs> what is even use for something like this
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2016-01-25T06:06:26 < PeterM> http://boards.4chan.org/wsg/thread/908885
2016-01-25T06:07:42 < dongs> what determines work-safe on that thread
2016-01-25T06:10:52 < Rob235> I have a text document of notes for my project (stuff I want to change or implement and don't want to forget) and there's 41 items, I scrolled to the bottom to count and one of the oldest ones is: switch to fastwire (from when I was using arduino). I'm not going through it now but that would be great if most of the list is already done or irrelevant.
2016-01-25T06:13:00 < dongs> switch to blogwire
2016-01-25T06:15:03 < PeterM> dongs
2016-01-25T06:15:03 < PeterM> All boards that default to the Yotsuba B or Burichan (blue) themes are to be considered "work safe." Violators may be temporarily banned and their posts removed. Note: Spoilered pornography or other "not safe for work" content is NOT allowed on the work safe boards.
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2016-01-25T06:31:39 < Rob235> hmm.  time to start the last piece of the puzzle.  motor library
2016-01-25T06:32:24 < englishman> kakimir: french numbers are fucking retarded
2016-01-25T06:32:32 < englishman> yet they managed to invent the frequency domain
2016-01-25T06:55:18 < dongs> france also made fabrice bellard
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2016-01-25T07:21:49 < PeterM> POWAHHHH
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2016-01-25T08:50:38 < upgrdman> R2COM: spatial domain
2016-01-25T08:50:45 < upgrdman> (location)
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2016-01-25T09:26:10 < Rob235_> if you set up a periph like usart or i2c does it use the timer associated with that pin?
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2016-01-25T09:29:11 < jpa-> Rob235_: no
2016-01-25T09:29:28 < Rob235_> didnt think so, thank god
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2016-01-25T09:37:14 < aandrew> https://i.imgur.com/3W30DLJ.jpg
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2016-01-25T09:46:48 < dongs> wat is this retarded shit
2016-01-25T09:46:51 < dongs> why is ATI still relevant
2016-01-25T09:50:11 < PeterM> aandrew, were ATI canadian?
2016-01-25T09:50:20 < PeterM> because adm made daamit
2016-01-25T09:50:26 < PeterM> *before
2016-01-25T09:50:28 < PeterM> amd
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2016-01-25T11:20:11 < dongs> some random toshitba tablet is charging at 1.6A with superchargerpro
2016-01-25T11:20:17 < dongs> very nice
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2016-01-25T11:35:50 < aandrew> wtf is superchargerpro
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2016-01-25T11:37:55 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Convert-OrCad-dsn-brd-files/
2016-01-25T11:37:57 < dongs> haha g et out
2016-01-25T11:38:00 < dongs> aandrew: my dickstarterproj
2016-01-25T11:38:25 < aandrew> lol 20 quid
2016-01-25T11:38:30 < aandrew> you don't have a kickstarter
2016-01-25T11:38:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/An2QnbO.png
2016-01-25T11:39:26 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/zyTJTE4.jpg
2016-01-25T11:39:38 < dongs> old pix, i have it in acrylic case now
2016-01-25T11:39:51 < dongs> and its stackable, phonefags that originally wanted it have a 4x stack charging all their testphones
2016-01-25T11:40:44 < dongs> can kikecad import anything useful
2016-01-25T11:40:55 < dongs> one could probly export .dsn to some textmode shit and stuff but uh...
2016-01-25T11:40:58 < dongs> yeah no, not worth anyones time
2016-01-25T11:41:05 < aandrew> no fucking way
2016-01-25T11:41:26 < aandrew> ah
2016-01-25T11:41:28 < aandrew> yeah 404
2016-01-25T11:41:38 < aandrew> was gonna say
2016-01-25T11:42:01 < zyp> dongs, do you know any cheap AC/DC modules like this? http://xppower.com/Portals/0/pdfs/SF_ECE05-10.pdf
2016-01-25T11:42:52 < dongs> thats a pretty good spec, no i havent looked around for anything with AC input.
2016-01-25T11:42:57 < dongs> are t hose expensive?
2016-01-25T11:43:32 < zyp> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ECE05US05/1470-1108-ND/4487489
2016-01-25T11:43:39 < dongs> nice
2016-01-25T11:43:44 < dongs> a chinq wallwart is cheaper
2016-01-25T11:44:02 < zyp> sure, but I need pcb mount and small
2016-01-25T11:44:14 < zyp> to go inside this din rail shit I'm planning
2016-01-25T11:44:35 < karlp> adds a whole heap of extra CE certs if you still want to go down there...
2016-01-25T11:45:19 < zyp> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/RAC01-05SC/945-1397-5-ND/2652150 <- this thing is cheaper but larger
2016-01-25T11:45:33 < dongs> ive used recom dc/dc things
2016-01-25T11:45:47 < dongs> that are liek LM317 pinout or hwatever
2016-01-25T11:46:12 < mitrax> dongs: got the package, thanks
2016-01-25T11:46:13 < karlp> http://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Mean-Well/MDR-10-12/?qs=umBTOZqEewj8b%252b9FxTiARg%3D%3D  ?
2016-01-25T11:46:28 < zyp> karlp, which means a precertified module should help
2016-01-25T11:46:42 < karlp> yeah, should,
2016-01-25T11:47:10 < zyp> I considered doing an entire AC/DC circuit, but it'll probably not be much smaller than those modules
2016-01-25T11:47:46 < dongs> mitrax: cool
2016-01-25T11:48:27 < mitrax> dongs: or well, they got it :) i'll get it when they forward it with other stuff, anyway, thanks a lot
2016-01-25T11:48:46 < dongs> yeah.
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2016-01-25T11:51:13 < zyp> karlp, considered going down the DC route with external PSU, but apart from certification I don't think that would have any advantages
2016-01-25T11:55:01 < zyp> and I might do some measurements on the AC lines too, which means I need to deal with AC anyway
2016-01-25T11:56:08 < karlp> fair enough.
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2016-01-25T12:39:35 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/PCB-design-programing/
2016-01-25T12:51:17 < qyx> uhm, employer cannot be contacted
2016-01-25T12:52:10 < dongs> huh? how ccan you contact them anyway?
2016-01-25T12:52:20 < qyx> you have to bid first
2016-01-25T12:52:27 < qyx> and then he/she can contact you
2016-01-25T12:52:38 < qyx> you can only respond
2016-01-25T12:53:14 < dongs> is that in reference to the shit i pasted?
2016-01-25T12:53:15 < dongs> or in general
2016-01-25T12:53:59 < qyx> in general, I think it is somewhere in the faq too
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2016-01-25T12:54:32 < dongs> haha
2016-01-25T12:54:43 < dongs> japs are running a news segment on that "omg you can search internet webcams" thing
2016-01-25T12:54:51 < dongs> what hte fuck why is this news suddenly
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2016-01-25T13:22:41 < dongs> http://141.84.11.4/mjpg/video.mjpg?COUNTER
2016-01-25T13:34:32 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Embedded-Software/read-Crypto-MCU/
2016-01-25T13:34:33 < dongs> haha
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2016-01-25T14:01:29 < Sync> 20k is actually not that bad dekar
2016-01-25T14:02:56 < dongs> zyp, are you gonna use this http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MAX71020AEUI%2B/MAX71020AEUI%2B-ND/3517188
2016-01-25T14:02:58 < dekar> 20k? What did I miss?
2016-01-25T14:04:14 < Sync> I meant dongs
2016-01-25T14:04:35 < dongs> sync, what did i have for 20k?
2016-01-25T14:04:43 < Sync> Mfg Application NotesStuxnet and Other Things that Go Bump in the Night
2016-01-25T14:04:44 < Sync> wat
2016-01-25T14:04:47 < dongs> ah someone bid 20k
2016-01-25T14:04:48 < dongs> lol
2016-01-25T14:05:16 < dongs> or even 100k
2016-01-25T14:05:17 < dongs> rite
2016-01-25T14:05:49 < dongs> “A lot of mistakes on the project and he didn\'t correct them. No commitment. More than 20 % copy directly from the internet. He is not putting references and then he ask 10 USD for each references”
2016-01-25T14:07:03 < zyp> dongs, why?
2016-01-25T14:07:16 < dongs> i donno im just trolling
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2016-01-25T14:11:09 < Sync> the maxim thing doesn't seem to be that shitty
2016-01-25T14:11:50 < karlp> maxim is one of the bigger players in that market, particular after buying up teridian
2016-01-25T14:12:01 < karlp> maxim has a big line, AD has a few, then some small speciality players.
2016-01-25T14:14:04 < Sync> well I looked into the AD stuff a few years back
2016-01-25T14:14:15 < Sync> and it was overly complex
2016-01-25T14:14:27 < karlp> yeah, wayyyy too hard to cliabrate some of the AD stuff
2016-01-25T14:14:49 < karlp> works perfectly well though, just don't bother doing the "serious" calibration
2016-01-25T14:15:21 < karlp> there was some nice errata on some of the AD parts :)
2016-01-25T14:15:48 < karlp> they removed an entire register for channel gain, moving from "use this register to do things" to "don't ever touch this register"
2016-01-25T14:16:07 < Sync> lul
2016-01-25T14:17:00 < karlp> cypress has a line  too iirc,
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2016-01-25T15:11:25 < Getty> http://9gag.com/gag/aQ833rw someone clicked wrong while playing minecraft
2016-01-25T15:11:52 < jadew> that's scary
2016-01-25T15:13:23 < jadew> easy way to identify shitty test leads: test power supply at 15V @ 10A with remote sensing and burn your fingers on the test leads. remove remote sensing and see how one of your test leads is dropping 3V!
2016-01-25T15:14:08 < jadew> it was disipating 30W
2016-01-25T15:14:33 < jadew> glad I didn't go 20A, it would have probably melted
2016-01-25T15:14:41 < jadew> *for
2016-01-25T15:15:12 < zyp> nice
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2016-01-25T16:01:39 < aandrew> man dongs loves that freelancer site
2016-01-25T16:05:34 < aandrew> wtf that PCB design and prograwmming... they want to spend USD$25? they can get my email address for that amount
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2016-01-25T16:37:20 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-01-25T16:37:30 < dongs> haha
2016-01-25T16:41:00 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/Neeed-help-design-prototype-mini/
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2016-01-25T17:01:17 < Laurenceb_> neeed halp fapping
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2016-01-25T17:17:37 < Taxman> Laurenceb_: Get a life
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2016-01-25T17:34:37 < artag> upgrdman: if that was you commentng on the youtube video .. I actually have two probes and both of them rattle ..
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2016-01-25T17:53:50 < kakimir> are those jpbs real?
2016-01-25T17:54:16 < kakimir> or like... "man.. I don't really have the money right now but thanks for helping out with this"
2016-01-25T17:55:38 < kakimir> well that looks legit but one before that didnt
2016-01-25T17:56:55 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/dtyeJ4H
2016-01-25T17:57:28 < Laurenceb_> top cuck
2016-01-25T17:57:55 < kakimir> stop shitposting your selfies
2016-01-25T18:00:42 < Laurenceb_> cuckposting
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2016-01-25T18:19:37 < qyx> dongs: placed a bid
2016-01-25T18:20:07 < qyx> at least i will do something with ar9331
2016-01-25T18:25:22 < kakimir> you need to register to that freelancer page to view anythin`g?
2016-01-25T18:26:44 < qyx> mostly
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2016-01-25T18:30:54 < kakimir> sucks ass
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2016-01-25T18:32:04 < Laurenceb_> how can that freelancer thing possibly work
2016-01-25T18:32:23 < Laurenceb_> 99% of the people will be perman00bs
2016-01-25T18:34:55 < kakimir> http://www.guru.com/jobs/ee-schematic-entry-and-pcb-layout/1209084&ItemNo=7&SearchUrl=search.aspx
2016-01-25T18:35:07 < kakimir> kikecad accepted
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2016-01-25T18:50:32 < kakimir> once you go freelancer?
2016-01-25T18:50:46 < kakimir> .. ?
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2016-01-25T19:32:08 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/RzpEwN.jpg
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2016-01-25T20:12:41 < kakimir> I wonder if these freelancer pages want to pay my taxes
2016-01-25T20:12:59 < kakimir> It would be nice not to
2016-01-25T20:13:20 < kakimir> being not from us would be a great excuse
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2016-01-25T20:24:30 < Steffanx> just go indidogo for that kakimir
2016-01-25T20:26:05 < kakimir> indiegogo taxfree
2016-01-25T20:26:09 < kakimir> scam money
2016-01-25T20:26:20 < kakimir> call that ferrari dealer
2016-01-25T20:26:32 < kakimir> I'm on my way
2016-01-25T20:26:56 < Laurenceb_> how can freelancer possibly work?? payment on delivery?
2016-01-25T20:27:03 < kakimir> that
2016-01-25T20:27:06 < Laurenceb_> what if there is an argument over quality
2016-01-25T20:27:09 < Laurenceb_> lol "if"
2016-01-25T20:27:21 < kakimir> you stab it until it's good
2016-01-25T20:27:30 < Laurenceb_> what could possibly go wrong...
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2016-01-25T20:27:49 < kakimir> I think orderers have reputation system
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2016-01-25T20:29:15 < Laurenceb_> hmm maybe plausible then
2016-01-25T20:29:34 < Laurenceb_> I'm just thinking - in my day job about 50% of the time is spent in massive arguments
2016-01-25T20:29:45 < Laurenceb_> surely a freelancer type system would be 10 times worse
2016-01-25T20:30:37 < kakimir> hah
2016-01-25T20:30:58 < kakimir> and 45% time prepparing for next big showdown?
2016-01-25T20:31:04 < Laurenceb_> yup
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2016-01-25T20:31:23 < kakimir> and 5% of talking shit with everybody and working on the side
2016-01-25T20:31:37 < Laurenceb_> its what happens when you work for a university spinout, there are too many managers and no hierarchy
2016-01-25T20:31:49 < Laurenceb_> so they all argue with one another and no work is done
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2016-01-25T20:32:29 < Laurenceb_> "we need a G.U.I. in visual basic".. "no we need to use LabView"
2016-01-25T20:33:20 < Laurenceb_> can we plot x against y against z against a against b against c against d against e against f against g against h??
2016-01-25T20:33:48 < Laurenceb_> someone actually asked me to do a plot like that
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2016-01-25T20:34:45 < Laurenceb_> so I wrote a script and sent them the 10GB pdf file with ~10^8 plots via dropbox :P wasn't asked to do it again
2016-01-25T20:35:50 < Laurenceb_> heh I should subcontract work stuff to freelancer, but I'd get really bad ratings for asking for impossible tasks
2016-01-25T20:38:21 < Rob235> is pwm for an esc as simple as holding the line high and when you want to send a value drop it low for 1-2ms and back to high?
2016-01-25T20:41:00 < Laurenceb_> Rob235: sort of, you need "freewheeling" diodes
2016-01-25T20:41:15 < Rob235> what does that mean
2016-01-25T20:44:23 < kakimir> freewheeling is something important
2016-01-25T20:44:50 < kakimir> in high current stuff at least
2016-01-25T20:45:28 < kakimir> Rob235: you mean like rc plane esc?
2016-01-25T20:45:51 < kakimir> just drive it up and down
2016-01-25T20:46:07 < kakimir> no diodes
2016-01-25T20:46:49 < Rob235> not plane, copter
2016-01-25T20:47:02 < kakimir> optimally you would have series resitor in output pin to bring slew rate down a bit
2016-01-25T20:47:20 < kakimir> same thing
2016-01-25T20:47:24 < kakimir> I got to go>
2016-01-25T20:47:26 < Rob235> thats what I'm asking, do you just pull it low for 1-2ms depending on which value you want to send?
2016-01-25T20:47:28 < Rob235> ok
2016-01-25T20:48:00 < kakimir> no you drive it up
2016-01-25T20:48:11 < kakimir> and drive it down
2016-01-25T20:48:31 < kakimir> polarity matters
2016-01-25T20:48:33 < Rob235> oh i thought it was high at idle
2016-01-25T20:48:42 < kakimir> I'm not sure
2016-01-25T20:48:45 < kakimir> check wiki
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2016-01-25T20:55:46 < Rob235> looking at pwm servo signal images on google shows I was wrong
2016-01-25T21:00:17 < BrainDamage> Rob235: the motor inductance and the generator effect make so that even if you cut open the transistor it forces current trough, which will be akin to a current generator pumping current in a high impedance ( the open transistor ), and can create huge voltage spikes depending on the timings, currents, etc
2016-01-25T21:00:56 < Rob235> yea... I have no idea what that means :/
2016-01-25T21:01:11 < BrainDamage> replace the motor with a current generator
2016-01-25T21:01:16 < BrainDamage> imagine it forces current
2016-01-25T21:01:36 < BrainDamage> look what the current tries to do with, and without the diode
2016-01-25T21:03:09 < Rob235> doesn't the ESC handle that stuff?
2016-01-25T21:03:52 < BrainDamage> oh if you have an ESC then it has them builtin generally, yes
2016-01-25T21:04:12 < Rob235> yea I'm just sending the pwm servo signal to the esc
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2016-01-25T21:07:05 < Rob235> how do I choose a good prescaler for the timer that's doing the pwm?
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2016-01-25T21:10:06 < zyp> choose prescaler to give you the desired resolution
2016-01-25T21:10:28 < Rob235> I guess that's what I'm asking, what resolution do I want
2016-01-25T21:11:26 < zyp> you need a division factor high enough that the counter register can count an entire period
2016-01-25T21:11:26 < Rob235> I guess the value is basically stored in microseconds so I guess that works
2016-01-25T21:11:35 < Lux> Rob235: also on a quad you need like 400hz pwm not 50 hz as on normal hobby servos
2016-01-25T21:11:48 < Rob235> yea I was setting it up to 400hz
2016-01-25T21:12:20 < zyp> but yeah, I also did 1us resolution when I were dicking around with quad shit
2016-01-25T21:12:27 < Lux> if you look at the autoquad code you should find some pointers on how to setup the timers or baseflight, but that's on f1
2016-01-25T21:12:29 < zyp> makes numbers round and nice
2016-01-25T21:13:03 < Rob235> yea I think I'll do that
2016-01-25T21:14:26 < Rob235> 4 of the motors are on apb2 and 2 on apb1, I gotta make sure I remember apb2 is 168MHz, Been using apb1 timers up until now
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2016-01-25T21:29:28 < Sync> geh
2016-01-25T21:34:06 < Steffanx> gah
2016-01-25T21:43:26 < Steffanx> jpa- for your ebike controller esc did you implemented the control etc. yourself or did you reuse some implementation?
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2016-01-25T21:55:40 < Rob235> ok so timer clock is 168 MHz, I decided on a prescaler of 8 which gives me 21 Mhz which over 2500 us would count to 52500 so that seems like a good resolution to use
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2016-01-25T22:12:08 < Rob235> TIM_OC1PreloadConfig()  OC preload is the duty cycle count right? so if I change it every update I don't want to use preload right? or am I understanding it incorrectly
2016-01-25T22:16:45 < Rob235> ohh if you don't enable preload then the initial pulse value is locked in?
2016-01-25T22:18:58 < Rob235> that makes sense since ccr doesn't count
2016-01-25T22:26:09 < jpa-> Steffanx: first i tried to reuse VESC but then i implemented it myself
2016-01-25T22:26:25 < jpa-> Steffanx: https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/ebike-controller  work in progress
2016-01-25T22:26:40 < Steffanx> Ah github great.
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2016-01-25T22:39:19 < Sync> hm, what was wrong with the vesc?
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2016-01-25T22:57:30 < Laurenceb_> I hate Elon Musk :(
2016-01-25T22:58:00 < Laurenceb_> Tesla seems to be the reason the best Panasonic li-ion cells are no longer on the market
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2016-01-25T23:03:19 < Steffanx> poor Laurenceb_
2016-01-25T23:05:01 < BrainDamage> is that why you're projecting hate on every his project?
2016-01-25T23:05:06 < Laurenceb_> well for a while it was possible for mortals to buy
2016-01-25T23:05:20 < Laurenceb_> no because most of his projects suck either completely or in part
2016-01-25T23:05:27 < Laurenceb_> hyperloop sucks completely
2016-01-25T23:05:49 < Laurenceb_> tesla sucks because it takes forever to charge
2016-01-25T23:06:12 < qyx> wat
2016-01-25T23:06:12 < Laurenceb_> falcon 9 sucks because it should have used a hot air ballute for recovery
2016-01-25T23:06:15 < qyx> some patent disputes?
2016-01-25T23:06:36 < qyx> ou mean ncr18650b?
2016-01-25T23:06:39 < Steffanx> Hows your rockoon Laurenceb_?
2016-01-25T23:07:07 < Laurenceb_> qyx: Tesla entered into an agreement for all new ncr18650<x> stuff to go to them
2016-01-25T23:07:17 < Lux> Laurenceb_: how is 1h forever ?
2016-01-25T23:07:25 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: trying to get some papers published atm
2016-01-25T23:07:29 < Lux> at least if you have the correct outlet
2016-01-25T23:07:30 < Laurenceb_> Lux: yes
2016-01-25T23:07:47 < qyx> buy from him
2016-01-25T23:07:51 < Laurenceb_> lol
2016-01-25T23:07:58 < Steffanx> http://imgur.com/gallery/EyRHA that Laurenceb_?
2016-01-25T23:08:36 < Laurenceb_> scientific publishing sucks
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2016-01-25T23:09:13 < Lux> Laurenceb_: https://www.fasttech.com/search?ncr18650b
2016-01-25T23:09:24 < Lux> or are you talking about the future ?
2016-01-25T23:09:44 < Laurenceb_> interesting... prob fake tho
2016-01-25T23:09:50 < Laurenceb_> there is a g and a c now
2016-01-25T23:09:59 < Laurenceb_> but they only ship to Tesla
2016-01-25T23:10:05 < Laurenceb_> c is 4150mAh
2016-01-25T23:10:18 < qyx> mhm
2016-01-25T23:10:25 < qyx> what discharge current?
2016-01-25T23:10:26 < Lux> ah ok, ya china can allways be fake, but the ones i got there a while ago were ok
2016-01-25T23:11:23 < Laurenceb_> qyx: they never released datasheet
2016-01-25T23:11:40 < qyx> wasn't the <b> 3100mAh?
2016-01-25T23:11:46 < qyx> they list them as 3400
2016-01-25T23:11:48 < Laurenceb_> it was an "upcoming product", and the g was listed on the panasonic site
2016-01-25T23:11:58 < Laurenceb_> then c and g dissapeared
2016-01-25T23:12:09 < qyx> you can find 5000mAh cells on ebay too!
2016-01-25T23:13:22 < Laurenceb_> they are all fake
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2016-01-25T23:13:41 < zyp> 22:05:49 < Laurenceb_> tesla sucks because it takes forever to charge
2016-01-25T23:13:44 < Laurenceb_> even panasonic specs seem to be 10% higher than independent tests
2016-01-25T23:13:56 < zyp> I like that you're saying that about the fastest charging EV on the market :p
2016-01-25T23:14:02 < Laurenceb_> exactly
2016-01-25T23:14:07 < Laurenceb_> EV sucks as a concept
2016-01-25T23:14:15 < zyp> why?
2016-01-25T23:14:35 < Laurenceb_> because it takes ages to charge and you need specialist hardware to do it at home
2016-01-25T23:14:42 < qyx> I know, I've read some of the benchmarks too
2016-01-25T23:14:58 < Laurenceb_> luckily LG now has some decent cells, reaching 1MJ/Kg
2016-01-25T23:15:06 < Laurenceb_> thats about as good as the Tesla cells
2016-01-25T23:15:20 < zyp> Laurenceb_, what percentage of the day is your car not parked?
2016-01-25T23:15:37 < Sync> 100
2016-01-25T23:15:46 < Laurenceb_> thats not the problem, the problem is that the range limit is hard
2016-01-25T23:16:05 < Laurenceb_> its very hard to go anywhere > range/2
2016-01-25T23:16:34 < zyp> with a tesla? heh
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2016-01-25T23:17:06 < zyp> note that I've ordered an EV with only a third or so of a tesla's range
2016-01-25T23:18:02 < zyp> and I still think it'll work out just fine
2016-01-25T23:22:26 < ReadError> nucleos are here
2016-01-25T23:22:55 < ReadError> need to see the status of the f7 on chibios, last i saw it was a WIP
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2016-01-25T23:25:47 < Laurenceb_> f7 nucleo?
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2016-01-25T23:27:06 < Laurenceb_> ooh http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM116/CL1620/SC959/SS1532/LN1847/PF262631
2016-01-25T23:27:19 < Laurenceb_> F7 and arduino LOL
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2016-01-25T23:31:31 < ReadError> whats so funny
2016-01-25T23:32:12 < Laurenceb_> arduino
2016-01-25T23:32:42 < ReadError> hows it arduino
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2016-01-25T23:36:17 < artag> superset of the arduino shield pinout
2016-01-25T23:36:46 < artag> which I wish would die in a fire
2016-01-25T23:41:45 < Sync> yep
2016-01-25T23:51:55 < ReadError> eh ya but who cares
2016-01-25T23:52:08 < ReadError> you have headers on the outside
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2016-01-26T00:54:50 < kakimir> writing this freelancer stuff is like doing online date account
2016-01-26T00:55:11 < kakimir> start boldly and then go more and more awkward
2016-01-26T00:55:23 < kakimir> 2hours later remove account
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2016-01-26T01:17:42 < PeterM> qyx FT test a random sample of their cells, they aren't fake, i've bought a lot of cells from them and they have lived up to their specs
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2016-01-26T01:37:13 < Sync> jpa-: you might want to try hfi for rotor position tracking
2016-01-26T01:37:36 < Rob235> did a little estimating, about 74% done getting the drone flyable and 67% fully complete.  rest should be relatively quick since I don't have to research much.
2016-01-26T01:45:11 < ReadError> Rob235 finish your pcb?
2016-01-26T01:45:33 < Rob235> no, wasn't counting that, that shouldn't take long though
2016-01-26T01:45:52 < Rob235> just have to finalize the layout and set the routes
2016-01-26T01:48:47 < Rob235> oops, forgot about the battery stuff, didn't even start that! I hope I didn't forget anything else
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2016-01-26T02:08:50 < kakimir> why sand people attach french?
2016-01-26T02:09:33 < kakimir> must be brittish cabinet game to wipe out enemy
2016-01-26T02:15:21 < jadew> ghetto flash reader: http://dumb.ro/files/flash_reader.png
2016-01-26T02:16:22 < jadew> controlled impedance and all
2016-01-26T02:21:18 < jadew> I don't know what you posted
2016-01-26T02:21:28 < jadew> I just finished the thing I posted
2016-01-26T02:22:02 < jadew> yeah, saw it now
2016-01-26T02:23:51 < jadew> well, now I have to figure out how to mount this
2016-01-26T02:24:06 < Rob235> anyone know how s-port for telemetry works? it appears to be tx and rx on one line?
2016-01-26T02:24:08 < jadew> I wonder if there are tools that can identify the start of the file system in the binary blob I extracted from that chip
2016-01-26T02:24:50 < jadew> Rob235, what is that?
2016-01-26T02:24:55 < jadew> telemetry and s-port
2016-01-26T02:25:48 < jadew> seems to be related to sports
2016-01-26T02:25:53 < jadew> I take my question back
2016-01-26T02:26:06 < Rob235> telemetry is data being sent from the receiver back to the transmitter with info like gps coordinates, battery status, sensor values
2016-01-26T02:26:18 < jadew> ah
2016-01-26T02:26:20 < jadew> and s-port?
2016-01-26T02:26:20 < Rob235> s-port is like an inverted serial port that you use to send the data
2016-01-26T02:26:31 < Rob235> i think it stands for smart port but not sure about that
2016-01-26T02:26:36 < jadew> got it
2016-01-26T02:26:45 < jadew> thanks
2016-01-26T02:31:49 < Lux> Rob235: https://github.com/TauLabs/TauLabs/wiki/User-Guide:-FrSKY-S.PORT-telemetry
2016-01-26T02:32:21 < Lux> assuming you mean that frsky telemetry stuff
2016-01-26T02:36:02 < Rob235> yea thanks, thats good info but not what I'm looking for.
2016-01-26T02:36:33 < Rob235> can you receive on a serial tx line?
2016-01-26T02:37:35 < jadew> there are lots of protocols that use the same line for both TX and RX
2016-01-26T02:38:05 < Rob235> can you use the built in usart peripheral for it though?
2016-01-26T02:38:10 < jadew> the only issue is putting TX in tristate mode when receiving
2016-01-26T02:38:26 < Lux> Rob235: did you even look at the link ? ;)
2016-01-26T02:38:32 < jadew> if you don't have a protocol in place to do that safely, then you need external circuitry
2016-01-26T02:38:48 < jadew> so TX can stay on, even if the line is driven by some other device
2016-01-26T02:39:31 < jadew> another option is to have TX in open drain mode
2016-01-26T02:39:45 < jadew> and simply pull-up the line, but again, that depends on the protocol
2016-01-26T02:39:47 < Rob235> lux, yes why?
2016-01-26T02:40:18 < Lux> then your question should be answered
2016-01-26T02:40:29 < Rob235> I didn't see it answered?
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2016-01-26T02:41:02 < Lux> and you can't receive on serial tx, at least not on the f4
2016-01-26T02:41:26 < Lux> f3/f0 can switch rx/tx iirc
2016-01-26T02:42:18 < Rob235> can you have it set as input, read manually, then switch it over to serial tx and transmit?
2016-01-26T02:43:16 < Lux> STM32F3 based controllers (like Sparky) can be connected directly from the TX pin on the flight controller to the receiver S.Port pin.
2016-01-26T02:43:18 < Lux> For other controllers, you'll need following inverting circuit:
2016-01-26T02:43:20 < Lux> in the link...
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2016-01-26T02:43:58 < Lux> apparently you can
2016-01-26T02:44:06 < Rob235> well its an f4 and its my own flight controller.
2016-01-26T02:44:24 < Lux> exactly the same thing
2016-01-26T02:44:55 < Rob235> but how does it work? you don't just connect the pin and it works.
2016-01-26T02:45:20 < Lux> just look at the code, but they are def doing what you suggested
2016-01-26T02:45:55 < Rob235> ok
2016-01-26T02:46:08 < Lux> with the circuit linked it should work on the f4, you just can't transmit/receive at the same time
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2016-01-26T02:48:14 < Rob235> oh I didn't realize what that circuit was for.  I see
2016-01-26T02:49:01 < Lux> https://code.google.com/archive/p/telemetry-convert/wikis/FrSkySPortProtocol.wiki
2016-01-26T02:49:29 < Lux> so basically the receiver polls for data and you have to emulate a sensor to send back data
2016-01-26T02:50:50 < Rob235> Id rather not use another usart though, rx is already used by sbus (the channel values).  If I can swap between input and serial tx I'd rather do that
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2016-01-26T02:52:46 < Lux> that won't work, as both use different baudrates
2016-01-26T02:55:53 < Rob235> not the sbus and sport rx, the sport tx and sport rx on the same line as it is.  just instead of splitting the s-port tx and rx with that circuit, have gpio set it as input (not using usart since it can only use usart tx), read with "software serial", reset gpio to serial tx and send data. then reset to input and wait
2016-01-26T02:56:24 < Rob235> ugh I should just find an open usart
2016-01-26T02:58:00 < Lux> def easier
2016-01-26T03:01:05 < Rob235> what does that inverting circuit do? does it just split it into tx and rx or does it invert the signal too, (I think s-port is inverted like sbus)
2016-01-26T03:02:19 < jadew> any ideas on tools that can recognize the various section of a binary blob and allow extraction?
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2016-01-26T03:15:37 < Sync> jadew: binwalk
2016-01-26T03:15:51 < jadew> Sync, thanks!
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2016-01-26T03:22:00 < jadew> I guess I have to reboot
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2016-01-26T03:35:49 < kakimir> I wrote too long story to freelancer page
2016-01-26T03:35:55 < kakimir> and it splitted it from begining
2016-01-26T03:36:11 < kakimir> erased whole thing but begining
2016-01-26T03:36:25 < kakimir> been writing 5hours maybe
2016-01-26T03:37:34 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/thumb/1453767834683.jpg
2016-01-26T03:38:15 < PeterM> http://imgur.com/xDLEPSk
2016-01-26T03:41:42 < Laurenceb_> check your privilege
2016-01-26T03:43:31 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/thumb/1451704202876.jpg
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2016-01-26T03:46:36 < upgrdman> lol http://i.imgur.com/hxoKnlC.gifv
2016-01-26T03:49:13 < PeterM> upgrdman, beautiful how nature do dat
2016-01-26T03:49:20  * upgrdman nods
2016-01-26T03:49:26 < PeterM> otehr people: upgrdmans gif isn great
2016-01-26T03:49:35 < upgrdman> wat
2016-01-26T03:49:57 < PeterM> just incase people assume my comment somehow implys your gif is sfw
2016-01-26T03:50:15 < PeterM> i guess its sfw, btu depends where you work
2016-01-26T03:52:11 < upgrdman> typical jap girl activities   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1JXhSYfLNE
2016-01-26T03:52:19 < englishman> PeterM: ati was canadian
2016-01-26T03:52:22 < englishman> matrox still is
2016-01-26T03:52:44 < upgrdman> matrox is still in business?
2016-01-26T03:52:47 < PeterM> englishman, what does matrox even do these days
2016-01-26T03:52:55 < englishman> large/highspeed shit
2016-01-26T03:53:05 < englishman> matrox is large, has a fab
2016-01-26T03:53:13 < PeterM> the only thing i remember them being useful was their multi monitor spanning on one dvi or whatever shit
2016-01-26T03:53:17 < englishman> no consumer stuff
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2016-01-26T03:55:10 < PeterM> got some links or something?
2016-01-26T03:56:06 < englishman> not really, had a pal that worked there before dying and saw their stuff at a booth somewhere a few years ago
2016-01-26T03:56:06 < PeterM> enjoying the australian equivilent of the 4th of july
2016-01-26T03:56:20 < upgrdman> what do the aussies call it?
2016-01-26T03:56:32 < PeterM> australia day
2016-01-26T03:56:37 < PeterM> or straya day
2016-01-26T03:57:31 < PeterM> personally or as a culture?
2016-01-26T03:59:04 < PeterM> yes, no. however, thast because people eat kangaroo whenever, it is mroe expensive than beefr or lamb though
2016-01-26T03:59:31 < PeterM> so if people have a large gathering for austrlia day beef/lamb is cheaper
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2016-01-26T04:02:04 < upgrdman> ahaha  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVbU0nh34aE
2016-01-26T04:03:45 < PeterM> 2/10
2016-01-26T04:03:51 < Sync> "crap"
2016-01-26T04:04:20 < PeterM> wheres that dongs video of the guy trying to put out a fire by putting cardboard boxes on it or osmething in japan
2016-01-26T04:06:13 < upgrdman> old
2016-01-26T04:06:17 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIC4sDVIFWI
2016-01-26T04:06:24 < upgrdman> the comments of my vid even referenced that dumb jap
2016-01-26T04:08:41 < PeterM> sync can you tell me, why do i often see angle grinders with like 1ft long leads on them
2016-01-26T04:09:17 < upgrdman> iirc short power tool cords is so you don't tangle them up. and lighter wire is allowed since its shorter.
2016-01-26T04:09:53 < Sync> PeterM: because it is cheaper
2016-01-26T04:10:06 < Sync> and after all the contractors lug a extension cord with them around all the time
2016-01-26T04:10:11 < Sync> so there is less to damage
2016-01-26T04:10:40 < PeterM> ahh, ok. i thoguht it was careless people accidentally putting grinders down o nthe cordds and having to pull the grinder apart and potu a new cord on it - with shorter cord you  can';t do that
2016-01-26T04:11:00 < PeterM> you only fuck your extension cord
2016-01-26T04:11:10 < PeterM> but that makes sense
2016-01-26T04:13:07 < upgrdman> legit neat   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqD1RJsAu9E
2016-01-26T04:15:01 < kakimir> fukken these freelance pages are full of pakistanis
2016-01-26T04:15:07 < kakimir> and indians
2016-01-26T04:15:41 < kakimir> well it's not that bad it was in 2008 or so
2016-01-26T04:16:02 < kakimir> when they figured they could do everything in india
2016-01-26T04:16:14 < kakimir> and obiviously big problems
2016-01-26T04:16:33 < Laurenceb_> world star
2016-01-26T04:16:42 < Laurenceb_> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=550_1453722982
2016-01-26T04:17:52 < PeterM> i expected cross dressing black men fighting from the title
2016-01-26T04:19:59 < kakimir> http://www.guru.com/jobs/ee-schematic-entry-and-pcb-layout/1209084&ItemNo=1&SearchUrl=search.aspx#proposalModal they want smallest board size
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2016-01-26T04:24:06 < PeterM> thats actually pretty reasonable pricing
2016-01-26T04:24:12 < PeterM> on the lower end
2016-01-26T04:24:17 < PeterM> but not too bad
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2016-01-26T04:27:55 < kakimir> okay I throw quote at it
2016-01-26T04:28:21 < kakimir> then I find it has 900pin fpga as one ic
2016-01-26T04:28:24 < kakimir> and I die
2016-01-26T04:28:57 < Sync> kek
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2016-01-26T04:33:24 < kakimir> what is price for that project
2016-01-26T04:33:35 < kakimir> hmm
2016-01-26T04:33:55 < kakimir> some indian has propably bidded 100dollars
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2016-01-26T04:41:13 < kakimir> https://screenshotmonitor.com/blog/how-to-avoid-scams-on-upwork-and-freelancer/
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2016-01-26T04:49:49 < dongs> qyx: didnt they specify rageberrypi platform?
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2016-01-26T05:01:56 < kakimir> fuckit is nice chrome add-on
2016-01-26T05:14:31 < dongs> http://www.technologyreview.com/news/546036/first-monkeys-with-autism-created-in-china/
2016-01-26T05:14:44 < Laurenceb_> 4chan explained
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2016-01-26T05:48:42 < rcc> lol @ the first comment
2016-01-26T05:52:57 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/Q3HYs
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2016-01-26T06:19:44 < Rob235> https://github.com/TauLabs/TauLabs/wiki/User-Guide:-FrSKY-S.PORT-telemetry what kind of transistor is that?
2016-01-26T06:27:25 < dongs> its mosfet
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2016-01-26T06:44:36 < Rob235> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/RTF015N03TL/RTF015N03TLCT-ND/721619 something like that good and its P counterpart?
2016-01-26T06:45:45 < Rob235> dongs in thongs
2016-01-26T06:46:00 < Rob235> i just threw up a little
2016-01-26T06:46:57 < dongs> <PetereM> i dont mind the ao3400/3407 for n and pfet, china has them super cheap
2016-01-26T06:54:11 < Rob235> whats different with the A version
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2016-01-26T07:07:59 < Rob235> $3.80 for 100
2016-01-26T07:08:05 < dongs> good plan
2016-01-26T07:08:52 < Rob235> do you know what the A version of the 3400 is?
2016-01-26T07:08:58 < dongs> nope, but datasheet does
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2016-01-26T07:15:27 < dongs> you know, i wonder if cube is really NOT THAT BAD
2016-01-26T07:15:38 < Rob235> 100 3400's and 20 3407's for $7.77 including shipping
2016-01-26T07:15:54 < dongs> this dude here got a bunch of shit done with cube on F103 and managed not to ask me anything stupid
2016-01-26T07:16:06 < Rob235> never looked at it
2016-01-26T07:16:31 < Rob235> what is it, like an alternative to stdperiph?
2016-01-26T07:16:38 < dongs> its hte new stdperiph yeah
2016-01-26T07:16:39 < emeb_mac> the new hotness
2016-01-26T07:17:04 < emeb_mac> been using HAL on the F7 for the last few weeks
2016-01-26T07:17:09 < emeb_mac> getting used to it.
2016-01-26T07:17:32 < emeb_mac> it's a bit more bloated, but works and has some nice features beyond what stdperiph did
2016-01-26T07:17:39 < dongs> rite...
2016-01-26T07:18:03 < emeb_mac> has some built-in I2C stuff that's easier to use than the bare-bones stuff in stdperiph
2016-01-26T07:18:17 < dongs> you mean CPAL???
2016-01-26T07:18:22 < emeb_mac> and you don't have to use it with cube
2016-01-26T07:18:27 < emeb_mac> no, not cpal
2016-01-26T07:18:33 < dongs> orly
2016-01-26T07:18:51 < dongs> well shit
2016-01-26T07:18:54 < emeb_mac> I've been coding by hand to HAL w/o using cube
2016-01-26T07:18:55 < dongs> downloading cube
2016-01-26T07:19:53 < emeb_mac> the stock HAL I2C stuff has support for basic bus transactions w/o requiring you to manage every phase of the the process
2016-01-26T07:20:16 < emeb_mac> just give it an address and a buffer & read/write and it goes off on its own to do it.
2016-01-26T07:20:53 < Rob235> damn, what if I don't want 5000 smd resistors, damn ebay
2016-01-26T07:20:56 < emeb_mac> and it has routines to talk to I2C memories (flash, ram, etc)
2016-01-26T07:22:17 < jpa-> Sync: nothing particularly wrong; i had hardware bug that caused vesc not to work, and to debug it i made a simple custom code.. and once i had that, it was easier for me to mod to my purposes
2016-01-26T07:23:03 < jpa-> Sync: why would i bother with HFI and similar when i have hall sensors?
2016-01-26T07:27:21 < Rob235> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1206-3216-SMD-chip-Resistors-64-Value-kit-1-10M-5-640pcs-/321394924345?hash=item4ad4a15b39:g:Zb4AAMXQuTNTNvI2
2016-01-26T07:27:31 < Rob235> scroll down to the very bottom (about us)
2016-01-26T07:28:03 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/generate-gerber-files-from-allegro/
2016-01-26T07:28:06 < dongs> attn R2COM
2016-01-26T07:28:08 < dongs> o shit he just quit
2016-01-26T07:28:18 < dongs> Rob235: > 1206
2016-01-26T07:28:20 < dongs> what teh fuck bro
2016-01-26T07:28:25 < dongs> do you know how BIG THAT IS
2016-01-26T07:28:34 < emeb_mac> Yuuuuuge!
2016-01-26T07:28:38 < Rob235> haha no idea
2016-01-26T07:28:47 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/PCB-design-involving-bluetooth-LCD/ found RITOT looking for engineers
2016-01-26T07:29:10 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Manufacturing/Embedded-system-based-Arm-Cortex/
2016-01-26T07:29:14 < Rob235> what size should I get?
2016-01-26T07:29:20 < dongs> i'll sell this guy F7-Discovery
2016-01-26T07:29:45 < jpa-> Rob235: 0603 or 0402, i would say; but if you want newbie-level parts then 0805
2016-01-26T07:32:50 < dongs> Rob235: you want something like this I guess http://www.ebay.com/itm/291466650625
2016-01-26T07:32:55 < dongs> rather than loose shits
2016-01-26T07:33:08 < dongs> you can at least keep teh book
2016-01-26T07:33:48 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/271059903092
2016-01-26T07:33:55 < jpa-> i bought the loose ones and put them on a string
2016-01-26T07:33:59 < dongs> heh
2016-01-26T07:34:01 < jpa-> works pretty well
2016-01-26T07:36:47 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/NEW-orange-pi-plus-Allwinner-A31s-Dual-Core-1GB-RAM-Open-source-development-board/1553371_32248189300.html
2016-01-26T07:36:50 < dongs> lol
2016-01-26T07:36:56 < dongs> so many retarded *pi shits made with allwhiner
2016-01-26T07:37:00 < Rob235> that book thing is pretty cool.  didn't want to spend that much but that will last a long time
2016-01-26T07:37:17 < dongs> *1.Orange Pi Plus enhanced quad core 1.6GHz Allwinner H3 4k video decode.
2016-01-26T07:37:18 < dongs> 2.It is best to buy DC 5V2A charger . Because Orange Pi Plus don't  support Micro USB Power supply.
2016-01-26T07:37:26 < dongs> Rob235: well, that was just first random ebay link
2016-01-26T07:37:32 < dongs> there's a lot more for around 20-ish
2016-01-26T07:37:40 < dongs> depending how many variations / 1% / how many per thing
2016-01-26T07:37:50 < dongs> i think the china shit i got was 1%, with like 20pcs each
2016-01-26T07:41:14 < Rob235> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3725Pcs-0805-SMD-Resistor-and-Capacitor-Sample-Full-Version-Book-1-Accuracy-/281783025017?hash=item419b93bd79:g:YQwAAOSwirZTyOE5
2016-01-26T07:41:41 < dongs> yeah something liek that
2016-01-26T07:45:11 < ds2> wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee PCB here
2016-01-26T07:47:53 < emeb_mac> ds2: get digitizin'!
2016-01-26T07:55:39 < Rob235> ok, smd stuff ordered
2016-01-26T07:55:59 < dongs> assburgering begins
2016-01-26T07:58:08 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/191493078/show-me-the-hofax-new-hofax-app-hofax-catfax-cockf
2016-01-26T07:59:30 < dongs> so how does cube work do i need new version all the time
2016-01-26T08:01:32 < ds2> need to find my LA software
2016-01-26T08:01:58 < emeb_mac> use the gui to set up the pins & peripherals. It generates an include file that will configure your part.
2016-01-26T08:02:18 < emeb_mac> then you just fill in the blanks & callbacks.
2016-01-26T08:02:27 < emeb_mac> I don't use it that way though.
2016-01-26T08:03:03 < dongs> st site always so fucking slow
2016-01-26T08:03:06 < dongs> and cube is huge
2016-01-26T08:03:07 < dongs> fuck
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2016-01-26T08:10:37 < dongs> haha
2016-01-26T08:10:40 < dongs> 17meg patch to include legacy.h
2016-01-26T08:10:43 < dongs> into cube 1.3.0
2016-01-26T08:10:44 < dongs> what the hell
2016-01-26T08:10:48 < dongs> how does it take 17megs
2016-01-26T08:20:51 < emeb_mac> installed the Atollic Truestudio free version the other day - almost 1GB download.
2016-01-26T08:20:59 < qyx> dongs: iirc they wrote it "something like rpi"
2016-01-26T08:21:06 < dongs> o
2016-01-26T08:21:08 < qyx> or I didn't understand correctly
2016-01-26T08:21:31 < qyx> rpi doesn't have ethernet and wifi
2016-01-26T08:21:44 < qyx> wat
2016-01-26T08:21:46 < qyx> nevermind
2016-01-26T08:22:00 < dongs> just sell them orange pi
2016-01-26T08:22:04 < dongs> chinagirl says that shit is $16
2016-01-26T08:22:29 < dongs> http://www.orangepi.org/orangepipc/
2016-01-26T08:25:22 < Rob235> how is atollic?
2016-01-26T08:25:28 < dongs> more like atrollic
2016-01-26T08:26:08 < englishman> atrollic
2016-01-26T08:26:09 < englishman> dammit
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2016-01-26T08:27:48 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Testing/Design-Electrical/
2016-01-26T08:27:51 < dongs> ooookay
2016-01-26T08:31:45 < jpa-> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/smartbe-intelligent-stroller#/   next zano
2016-01-26T08:33:22 < dongs> hah my jap dot matrix printer just failed pretty spectacularly
2016-01-26T08:33:25 < dongs> with a head crash
2016-01-26T08:33:30 < dongs> and the LCD display actually said that
2016-01-26T08:33:43 < emeb_mac> dot matrix - so retro
2016-01-26T08:34:01 < emeb_mac> it's like the 1980s all over again
2016-01-26T08:34:04 < dongs> gotta use it to print all the shipping labels and shit
2016-01-26T08:34:12 < dongs> lasers dont make 8 copies
2016-01-26T08:34:30 < emeb_mac> better yet - use a daisywheel!
2016-01-26T08:34:32 < emeb_mac> super pro
2016-01-26T08:34:46 < emeb_mac> or a selectric with RS-232 conversion.
2016-01-26T08:34:50 < dongs> HEH
2016-01-26T08:34:54 < dongs> this shit has network and stuff.
2016-01-26T08:34:57 < dongs> its prettey pro
2016-01-26T08:36:19 < emeb_mac> and crashing hedz
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2016-01-26T08:40:03 < ds2> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww IDEs
2016-01-26T08:40:44 < ds2> @%#$#@!#@%#@$@@$@#$#$@#$@##$ foot prints for SMA
2016-01-26T08:41:36 < jpa-> ask kakimir for best sma footprints
2016-01-26T08:42:00 < ds2> apparently they aren't really universal
2016-01-26T08:42:28 < ds2> Amazon cheapass board edge SMA's don't match the random foot print... not fatal, just irritating
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2016-01-26T09:30:30 < dongs> haha i have kikecad installer .exe in my eda apps folder
2016-01-26T09:30:33 < dongs> deleting
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2016-01-26T10:11:59 < dongs> haha
2016-01-26T10:12:05 < dongs> swisscatalog.com gets no orders
2016-01-26T10:12:20 < dongs> i ordered that auto-lube shit from them last year march, order number from t oday is only +15
2016-01-26T10:13:13 < dongs> http://swisscatalog.com/HSS-Finishing-end-mill-18-mm-DIN-844B-Granite-Dry-PM-Ti2CN-2140001700.htm i guess with prices like these
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2016-01-26T10:22:59 < dongs> cube F4 is 300 megs
2016-01-26T10:23:05 < dongs> what da fuq
2016-01-26T10:23:12 < dongs> 30 minutes to download
2016-01-26T10:23:13 < dongs> FUCK ST
2016-01-26T10:23:44 < dongs> and their fucking site doesnt allow concurrent downloads
2016-01-26T10:23:55 < dongs> so i cant get it using pget or wahtever
2016-01-26T10:23:58 < dongs> fuckign shitware
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2016-01-26T10:31:36 < Simon--> want me to mirror it?
2016-01-26T10:31:46 < Simon--> have 10gigs
2016-01-26T10:32:21 < Simon--> because many gigs are needed for embedded development
2016-01-26T10:32:37 < dongs> haha, i mean, the size isnt the problem, the problem is their fucking site is dumb and slow
2016-01-26T10:33:35 < stukdev> i'm learning stm32 timers, and i want try to generate 2 quadrature output, for emulate an encoder. I think use one timer and two channel towh OC is a good idea, but i've some problem. i configure the period in cubemx, but the output pin are always 0. what can i be check?
2016-01-26T10:35:48 < jpa-> CCER register
2016-01-26T10:36:01 < jpa-> but you being stukdev, i'm not bothering to debug more
2016-01-26T10:36:22 < stukdev> but what?
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2016-01-26T10:38:58 < Steffanx> Jpa- and personal issues? I thought you were mr reasonable
2016-01-26T10:39:19 < jpa-> Steffanx: no way, Tectu must have misinformed you :)
2016-01-26T10:39:54 < Steffanx> Its you who said it
2016-01-26T10:40:22 < Steffanx>   Or confirmed it
2016-01-26T10:40:34 < jpa-> oh
2016-01-26T10:40:42 < jpa-> i must have been unreasonable, then
2016-01-26T10:41:28 < Sync> jpa-: pffft hall sensors
2016-01-26T10:41:31 < Sync> that is cheating
2016-01-26T10:42:19 < jpa-> i cheat whenever possible :)
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2016-01-26T11:35:53 < Taxman> wow, i got my STM32F429ZIT6 and STM32F407 Samples with rev 3!
2016-01-26T11:37:32 < PeterM> what fixes are in r3?
2016-01-26T11:38:57 < zyp> they actually work
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2016-01-26T11:40:53 < Taxman> they are actually the newest revision
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2016-01-26T12:43:54 < dongs> wow
2016-01-26T12:43:58 < dongs> you can even setup DMA and shit with cube
2016-01-26T12:44:05 < dongs> from the gui ~
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2016-01-26T12:51:25 < dongs> http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/timed/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865
2016-01-26T12:51:28 < dongs> ZANO LIQUIDATION!!!
2016-01-26T12:51:31 < dongs> Laurenceb: BEEEEEP
2016-01-26T12:51:39 < mitrax> :-O
2016-01-26T12:51:55 < dongs> need to bid on that scope
2016-01-26T12:51:55 < dongs> need to bid on that scope
2016-01-26T12:51:55 < dongs> need to bid on that scope
2016-01-26T12:52:00 < dongs> http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/lot-ad541a7e-d46a-49ee-b163-a58400d612d8
2016-01-26T12:52:51 < dongs> http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/lot-3e1ca2d1-a505-409f-b925-a58400d612d8 omg its teh POWER SUPPLY FEATURED IN  ZANO VIDS
2016-01-26T12:55:54 < dongs> http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/lot-287b9f1d-cb04-4a56-8994-a58400d612d8
2016-01-26T12:55:57 < dongs> haha
2016-01-26T12:55:58 < dongs> their useless PIC32 programmer
2016-01-26T12:56:24 < dongs> Laurenceb: bEEP
2016-01-26T12:57:18 < mitrax> Quantity of 13920 Batteries 450mAH
2016-01-26T12:57:34 < dongs> haha
2016-01-26T12:57:58 < mitrax> too bad i'm not in UK
2016-01-26T12:58:11 < dongs> http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/lot-21ae8f28-76aa-41bf-aa19-a58600c143c2
2016-01-26T12:58:14 < dongs> roflll
2016-01-26T12:58:34 < dongs> http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/lot-4f830c8b-e6a9-41f2-9b38-a58600c143c2
2016-01-26T12:58:38 < dongs> hahaha there goes lantronix shit
2016-01-26T12:58:40 < dongs> fuck
2016-01-26T12:58:46 < dongs> i should fly to UK to pick some of  this shit up
2016-01-26T12:59:14 < dongs> http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/lot-f4db02c9-9221-451c-91b3-a58600c143c2 HAHA PIC32MZ
2016-01-26T13:00:13 < karlp> the sealed reels couldn't just be returned?
2016-01-26T13:00:36 < dongs> even microchip doesnt want them I bet.
2016-01-26T13:00:40 < dongs> plus they were stored inside ivan's shack
2016-01-26T13:00:44 < dongs> ignoring MSL etc
2016-01-26T13:00:50 < dongs> i doubt any serious distirbuotr would take them back
2016-01-26T13:01:00 < dongs> digikey has like 1 month or somthing limit on returning shit
2016-01-26T13:01:03 < dongs> even sealed
2016-01-26T13:01:07 < mitrax> the wifi modules should be fine though no?
2016-01-26T13:01:11 < dongs> sure
2016-01-26T13:01:12 < karlp> 22 bids on reels of pic32.
2016-01-26T13:01:15 < dongs> but they're useless
2016-01-26T13:01:16 < karlp> who's buying that?
2016-01-26T13:01:26 < dongs> karlp: whoever thinks they're gonna resell them
2016-01-26T13:01:27 < dongs> i guess
2016-01-26T13:01:33 < dongs> maybe chinks
2016-01-26T13:01:39 < dongs> throw it on verical or something and make some profit
2016-01-26T13:01:50 < dongs> that DPO is ~8k average on ebay
2016-01-26T13:01:56 < BrainDamage> jesus christ that scope
2016-01-26T13:02:27 < BrainDamage> it's almost worth to bid, pay airplane ticket and resell
2016-01-26T13:02:41 < dongs> almost yea. its not C model tho, and im too lazy to find the diference
2016-01-26T13:02:52 < dongs> newest DPO72xx is rev C
2016-01-26T13:03:27 < dongs> Reserve met:No
2016-01-26T13:03:35 < dongs> does that mean they will still sell below refserve/
2016-01-26T13:03:47 < dongs> IMPORTANT PLEASE NOTE: Your Highest Bid will be treated as a valid bid even if at the time of placing it the RESERVE is NOT MET. Vendors regularly ask us to reduce the reserves in the closing hours and put items on sale. Remember when placing a bid you are bidding to buy!
2016-01-26T13:03:52 < dongs> hmm
2016-01-26T13:10:49 < mitrax> the 3d printer is interesting too
2016-01-26T13:10:55 < dongs> not at all
2016-01-26T13:11:02 < dongs> its that gypsum thing isnt it?
2016-01-26T13:11:07 < dongs> they're useless for anythign excepte just modeling
2016-01-26T13:11:53 < mitrax> dunno http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/lot-eddf16c5-fe9d-47e3-92eb-a58400d612d8 just saw that it's $30K
2016-01-26T13:12:15 < dongs> haha, reserve met
2016-01-26T13:12:18 < dongs> ownt
2016-01-26T13:12:38 < dongs> well, thats a steal
2016-01-26T13:15:09 < mitrax> dongs: how far away is LaurenceB from Pembroke?
2016-01-26T13:16:54 < mitrax> i guess there's no way the auctioner will ship anything? you have to pick it up?
2016-01-26T13:17:23 < artag> they might pack it for a courier
2016-01-26T13:17:54 < mitrax> hm yeah
2016-01-26T13:20:20 < dongs> pretty sure its all pickup
2016-01-26T13:28:09 < zyp> that scope looks nice, shame I don't have money to spend on it :p
2016-01-26T13:28:39 < mitrax> those lantronix modules are $26 on mouser
2016-01-26T13:30:01 < mitrax> a piece of course... guess they are much cheaper by such quantities, still if they go for 200 GBP that's like $0.05/ea
2016-01-26T13:33:46 < mitrax> it's listed as a XPCW1003101 , i can only see XPCW1003100 on lantronix site, maybe it's a custom version
2016-01-26T13:38:20 < mitrax> what's this http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/lot-287b9f1d-cb04-4a56-8994-a58400d612d8 ?
2016-01-26T13:40:36 < dongs> its their pic32 programmer
2016-01-26T13:40:46 < dongs> to program their super secret pic bootloader
2016-01-26T13:40:57 < dongs> instead of you know, using icsp or getting them pre-flashed from microchip or any other vendor
2016-01-26T13:41:05 < mitrax> :)
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2016-01-26T13:43:06 < dongs> mitrax: how much of that shit are you bidding on
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2016-01-26T13:45:16 < dongs> hmm
2016-01-26T13:45:26 < dongs> do want that scope
2016-01-26T13:45:32 < dongs> if just to resell anyway :p
2016-01-26T13:45:38 < dongs> i still havent sold my fucking DPO3034
2016-01-26T13:45:48 < artag> seems a bit old. no mso, no mdo
2016-01-26T13:46:52 < dongs> er 4034
2016-01-26T13:47:09 < dongs> yeah. oh well
2016-01-26T13:47:33 < artag> puzzled as to why one of the tek awgs started at 700, the other at 25
2016-01-26T13:48:13 < dongs> that a function generator or whatever?
2016-01-26T13:48:24 < dongs> isnt th e amount just waht the 1st bid was?
2016-01-26T13:48:29 < dongs> there's one bid on each of htem
2016-01-26T13:48:32 < artag> yeah, +arbitrary waveform
2016-01-26T13:48:40 < mitrax> dongs: i don't know, i didn't plan to buy anything but now i'm wondering ... if the lantronix go for that price it would have been stupid to miss it, i have to add wifi to some products in the future that would be pretty much free ... ESP8266 is super cheap but still... plus i could sell some on ebay
2016-01-26T13:48:49 < artag> i know, I bid the cheaper one up but the other was at 700 first go
2016-01-26T13:49:01 < dongs> mitrax: right, but lantronix thing is not really all that great
2016-01-26T13:49:26 < dongs> its just broadcom wiced thing reference design, there are other modules that are smaller/better / esp8266, i'd only use it if they were free/-ish etc.
2016-01-26T13:49:26 < artag> don't forget there's buyers premium + possibly vat
2016-01-26T13:49:30 < dongs> ther is
2016-01-26T13:49:35 < dongs> 20% vat + 15% auctionscam
2016-01-26T13:49:42 < dongs> it says on site.
2016-01-26T13:49:46 < dongs> so + 35% automatically to any price.
2016-01-26T13:49:49 < mitrax> okay
2016-01-26T13:50:00 < artag> don't think you;ll pay vat outside the eu
2016-01-26T13:50:08 < artag> but you might get customs charges
2016-01-26T13:50:15 < dongs> er, all that stuf is for pickup only tho
2016-01-26T13:50:37 < artag> sure, but that's just transport. doesn't have to be cash on delivery
2016-01-26T13:50:41 < mitrax> yeah but you can always mail that guy and ask if a DHL pickup is ok... though i doubt they'll bother packing things properly
2016-01-26T13:57:17 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Raspberry-expert-freelance-needed-9469094/
2016-01-26T13:57:21 < dongs> haha
2016-01-26T13:57:23 < dongs> get the fuck out
2016-01-26T13:57:31 < dongs> make him a fucking VFD for 200V AC for $500
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2016-01-26T14:25:38 < kakimir> is is
2016-01-26T14:25:42 < kakimir> is it beaky
2016-01-26T14:25:46 < dongs> its you
2016-01-26T14:25:49 < dongs> aka beaky
2016-01-26T14:26:07 < dongs> http://web.media.mit.edu/~minsky/OLPC-1.html
2016-01-26T14:27:02 < kakimir> I say please not pls
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2016-01-26T14:55:25 < Rob235> homework blows
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2016-01-26T15:02:44 < mitrax> dongs: have you used miniature PCB mount speakers in some designs?
2016-01-26T15:03:13 < dongs> i got a box of those boneconduction speaker shits
2016-01-26T15:03:15 < dongs> somewehre
2016-01-26T15:03:33 < dongs> and some crap i did recently i just pWM'd a piezo thing.. nothign special
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2016-01-26T15:05:29 < mitrax> okay, i'm looking for something 15mm wide max in SMD  but there's nothing much on digishit /mouser, guess i'll have to go with through hole
2016-01-26T15:07:28 < mitrax> gah i must be searching with the wrong terms, there are billions of them around in cell phones
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2016-01-26T15:09:35 < zyp> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/audio-products/speakers/720966 <- nothing much?
2016-01-26T15:10:26 < zyp> I see >100 products in stock that's SMT and smaller than 15mm
2016-01-26T15:11:42 < mitrax> doh i had a filter turned on
2016-01-26T15:11:45  * mitrax hides
2016-01-26T15:12:46 < mitrax> note for later: check twice before complaining
2016-01-26T15:14:40 < zyp> looks like a bunch of that stuff got spring contacts
2016-01-26T15:14:48 < zyp> like most stuff actually used in phones
2016-01-26T15:15:48 < zyp> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/CDS-13138-SMT-TR/102-3536-1-ND/5355549 <- this looks nice, but expensive
2016-01-26T15:16:07 < dongs> ohh
2016-01-26T15:16:09 < dongs> thats a zano speaker
2016-01-26T15:16:11 < mitrax> ouch, expensive indeed :) but yeah that would have been perfect
2016-01-26T15:16:21 < dongs> they used some SMT trash
2016-01-26T15:16:24 < zyp> haha
2016-01-26T15:16:32 < dongs> and it looked similar
2016-01-26T15:16:36 < zyp> that auction site didn't have a speaker lot? :p
2016-01-26T15:16:37 < dongs> with square open port
2016-01-26T15:16:41 < dongs> hmm guess not
2016-01-26T15:16:46 < dongs> maybe they hsipped all that shit to scamtronics
2016-01-26T15:19:01 < dongs> aww
2016-01-26T15:19:05 < dongs> scope is 2k gbp now
2016-01-26T15:19:09 < dongs> lol @ reserve met
2016-01-26T15:19:47 < jadew> what scope?
2016-01-26T15:20:16 < zyp> http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/lot-ad541a7e-d46a-49ee-b163-a58400d612d8
2016-01-26T15:20:34 < dongs> zano scope
2016-01-26T15:20:39 < dongs> you got 40mins to pick it up
2016-01-26T15:20:58 < jadew> heh
2016-01-26T15:21:49 < jadew> could be a scam
2016-01-26T15:21:54 < dongs> ... whjat
2016-01-26T15:21:58 < dongs> its the lot of crap from torquing
2016-01-26T15:22:00 < dongs> no scam there
2016-01-26T15:22:04 < dongs> they even have their pic32 programmer
2016-01-26T15:22:05 < dongs> and shit
2016-01-26T15:22:06 < jadew> they have the track record
2016-01-26T15:22:10 < dongs> lawl
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2016-01-26T15:23:01 < zyp> jadew, well, this is not done by torquing, it's by the company liquidating their assets
2016-01-26T15:23:16 < jadew> zyp, I figured, I was kidding
2016-01-26T15:23:51 < dongs> <BlackMoon> I seriously want to get signs printed out that say "Are you retarded? Because you don't look phsically disabled so you must be mentally" to put on peoples windows who park infront of stores
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2016-01-26T15:24:45 < jadew> dongs, I live next to an institution that gets visited by a lot of people
2016-01-26T15:24:53 < jadew> here they park in front of my car
2016-01-26T15:25:40 < jadew> I have to wait for them to leave so I can get out of the parking spot
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2016-01-26T15:27:22 < dongs> nice
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2016-01-26T15:41:50 < dongs> Laurenceb_: beep
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2016-01-26T15:48:11 < jadew> funny bug in linux, I grab a window and move it against the top side of the screen so it gets maximized, a transparent overlay appears over the display, showing the space the window will occupy once I release
2016-01-26T15:48:23 < jadew> I release the mouse, the window get maximized, the overlay stays there
2016-01-26T15:48:33 < jadew> I can no longer click the window because the overlay is in front of it
2016-01-26T15:48:49 < dongs> that aint lunix, that sone of 23423947238 retarded window managers
2016-01-26T15:49:04 < jadew> *under
2016-01-26T15:49:09 < jadew> and yeah
2016-01-26T15:49:21 < jadew> this shit gets funny after a while
2016-01-26T15:49:46 < jadew> for example, how my monitors get all detected, but they get arranged with gaps between them
2016-01-26T15:50:40 < dongs> scope 3700
2016-01-26T15:50:58 < Laurenceb_> wut?
2016-01-26T15:51:01 < jadew> I offer 1000!
2016-01-26T15:51:21 < dongs> Laurenceb_: ZANOE SCOPE
2016-01-26T15:51:24 < dongs> http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/lot-ad541a7e-d46a-49ee-b163-a58400d612d8
2016-01-26T15:51:27 < dongs> click click
2016-01-26T15:51:54 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2016-01-26T15:52:02 < Laurenceb_> dunno how much its worth
2016-01-26T15:52:09 < dongs> 8-9k $ avg on ebay
2016-01-26T15:52:11 < BrainDamage> check the rest too, everything is ending in lik 10 min
2016-01-26T15:52:20 < dongs> scope is already not worth it
2016-01-26T15:52:39 < dongs> http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/timed/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/search-filter?page=1&pageSize=120
2016-01-26T15:52:42 < dongs> other zano shit
2016-01-26T15:52:42 < Laurenceb_> yeah £3800
2016-01-26T15:52:47 < Sync> http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/lot-f4db02c9-9221-451c-91b3-a58600c143c2
2016-01-26T15:52:55 < jadew> there are no shipping details
2016-01-26T15:53:12 < BrainDamage> that's because they don't ship
2016-01-26T15:53:20 < dongs> you pick it up
2016-01-26T15:53:24 < dongs> @ pemBROKEshire
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2016-01-26T15:53:39 < Laurenceb_> thats miles away from me :-/
2016-01-26T15:53:49 < Laurenceb_> lol £4.6k
2016-01-26T15:53:58 < jadew> then screw it
2016-01-26T15:54:00 < dongs> o yeah
2016-01-26T15:54:01 < dongs> 100% not worth it now
2016-01-26T15:54:07 < jadew> it comes with all the fail anyway
2016-01-26T15:54:09 < dongs> 4600*35%
2016-01-26T15:54:14 < Sync> why the fuck do they have a welder
2016-01-26T15:54:41 < dongs> leftover from their previous sc am
2016-01-26T15:54:47 < dongs> when theyt did some raising legs for trucks
2016-01-26T15:54:50 < jadew> haha
2016-01-26T15:54:54 < Laurenceb_> ah yeah
2016-01-26T15:55:47 < BrainDamage> http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/lot-2a2cb8b5-9d65-46a4-89ae-a58400d612d8
2016-01-26T15:55:57 < BrainDamage> so this is what they used to make the zano promotion videos
2016-01-26T15:56:12 < jadew> lol
2016-01-26T15:56:13 < dongs> obv
2016-01-26T15:56:14 < Sync> http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/lot-eddf16c5-fe9d-47e3-92eb-a58400d612d8 pro 3d dicker
2016-01-26T15:56:19 < Laurenceb_> lulz
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2016-01-26T15:59:07 < dongs> heh 6210for scope including tax/vat
2016-01-26T15:59:09 < dongs> completely uselss
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2016-01-26T15:59:39 < Laurenceb_> prices are all going too high
2016-01-26T16:00:08 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2016-01-26T16:00:08 < dongs> yes
2016-01-26T16:00:09 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/lot-eddf16c5-fe9d-47e3-92eb-a58400d612d8
2016-01-26T16:00:17 < dongs> if its Gypsum
2016-01-26T16:00:19 < dongs> then its useless
2016-01-26T16:00:21 < dongs> i didnt bother looking
2016-01-26T16:00:39 < dongs> oh what the christ
2016-01-26T16:00:42 < dongs> its a FDM printer?!
2016-01-26T16:00:46 < dongs> fucking shitheap
2016-01-26T16:01:31 < jadew> 35% is a lot
2016-01-26T16:01:42 < dongs> yeah 20% vat and 15% scamsite
2016-01-26T16:01:47 < jadew> yeah
2016-01-26T16:02:19 < Laurenceb_> the fridge+microwave is cheap :P
2016-01-26T16:02:45 < Laurenceb_> and a gopro 3+
2016-01-26T16:02:54 < Laurenceb_> but thats not worth the pain
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2016-01-26T16:07:43 < Sync> yeah dongs we got a stereo litho 3d dicker at work and our boss found out that you actually have to use it or it will break :D
2016-01-26T16:07:46 < Laurenceb_> shrug I can't be bothered ... would buy the fridge+microwave if i was closer
2016-01-26T16:10:53 < zyp> haha
2016-01-26T16:10:57 < dongs> lol
2016-01-26T16:10:58 < dongs> stoner
2016-01-26T16:11:53 < englishman> lol @ these events
2016-01-26T16:11:53 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/Hrw5ny.jpg
2016-01-26T16:12:42 < karlp> Sync: what do you mean?
2016-01-26T16:13:26 < Sync> karlp: the resin degrades
2016-01-26T16:14:33 < Laurenceb_> it also degrades you
2016-01-26T16:14:40 < Laurenceb_> and gives you cancer, nasty stuff
2016-01-26T16:16:57 < dongs> -http://www.stratasys.com/3d-printers/design-series/dimension-1200es
2016-01-26T16:16:59 < dongs> nice fucking buttplug
2016-01-26T16:17:01 < dongs> right on front page
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2016-01-26T16:17:32 < mitrax> ahaha
2016-01-26T16:21:04 < dongs> scope sold for 6500
2016-01-26T16:21:19 < dongs> someone got PIC32 programmer for 4k gbp
2016-01-26T16:21:24 < Laurenceb_> whyyy
2016-01-26T16:21:33 < dongs> -no idea, that is retarded to own
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2016-01-26T16:22:57 < englishman> zano 2.0
2016-01-26T16:23:21 < crt> http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/lot-9ab39dc7-e10a-4324-bf6b-a58600c143c2
2016-01-26T16:23:25 < crt> anyone seen this?
2016-01-26T16:23:34 < dongs> sure
2016-01-26T16:23:38 < dongs> those are the hubsan props
2016-01-26T16:23:40 < dongs> lol
2016-01-26T16:24:10 < dongs> http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/lot-91a0dc1b-5c2f-4bdb-ac44-a58600c143c2
2016-01-26T16:24:46 < englishman> they have literally everything but a drone
2016-01-26T16:24:53 < englishman> except for that phantom
2016-01-26T16:24:55 < crt> bahaha so true
2016-01-26T16:24:59 < dongs> haha
2016-01-26T16:25:31 < dongs> http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/lot-44c35f4f-bc58-4e65-9385-a58400d612d8
2016-01-26T16:25:35 < dongs> hey there's some drone frame here
2016-01-26T16:25:39 < dongs> some hobbyking-like shite
2016-01-26T16:25:49 < dongs> https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.com/719d4f80-3f92-43a1-84d0-a58400d5c20c/4506e95a-a04c-425e-d835-d6d6085d4fc8/original.jpg
2016-01-26T16:25:53 < dongs> and some zanos
2016-01-26T16:26:21 < dongs> hmm what is that weird fuckign card
2016-01-26T16:26:23 < dongs> bottom left
2016-01-26T16:26:25 < dongs> of that pic
2016-01-26T16:26:38 < dongs> ther's a bunch of htem
2016-01-26T16:26:38 < englishman> oshpark
2016-01-26T16:26:39 < dongs> on the desk
2016-01-26T16:26:45 < dongs> wtf are they for
2016-01-26T16:26:48 < englishman> LM1117 breakout
2016-01-26T16:27:41 < crt> farkin ell the whole pile of shit is up for grabs
2016-01-26T16:27:46 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-26T16:27:50 < dongs> youre too late tho
2016-01-26T16:27:52 < dongs> most of it is gone
2016-01-26T16:28:23 < englishman> why did you link that shit 42min before auction end
2016-01-26T16:28:28 < dongs> duno man
2016-01-26T16:28:33 < dongs> apparently it was posted liek 6 days ago
2016-01-26T16:29:19 < englishman> Laurenceb_ should have gleaned this info from the creditors meeting
2016-01-26T16:29:50 < dongs> http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/lot-52c54db3-52a8-4908-95e7-a58600c143c2 haha
2016-01-26T16:29:54 < dongs> hubsan charger 11k of them
2016-01-26T16:31:30 < dongs> haha
2016-01-26T16:31:38 < dongs> someone si gonna pickup 48k propellers
2016-01-26T16:31:40 < dongs> for $5gbp
2016-01-26T16:31:43 < dongs> in 20 sedconds
2016-01-26T16:31:44 < crt> yup!
2016-01-26T16:31:49 < dongs> i bet its crt
2016-01-26T16:31:53 < crt> nah mate
2016-01-26T16:31:59 < dongs> 3
2016-01-26T16:31:59 < dongs> 2
2016-01-26T16:32:00 < dongs> 1
2016-01-26T16:32:01 < dongs> DONE
2016-01-26T16:32:02 < dongs> lhahah
2016-01-26T16:32:09 < crt> theres like a million pic32s
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2016-01-26T16:32:14 < crt> thats going for a bit
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2016-01-26T16:33:06 < crt> well 7200 pieces going for 5500gbp
2016-01-26T16:33:18 < dongs> its not even worth 72 gbp
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2016-01-26T16:33:38 < dongs> hmm
2016-01-26T16:33:43 < dongs> i think that lantronix trash is already mounted
2016-01-26T16:33:44 < dongs> on zanopcb
2016-01-26T16:33:52 < dongs> if thats the representative pic
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2016-01-26T16:36:28 < zyp> I hope not
2016-01-26T16:36:42 < dongs> <zyp> cuz i just bought all of htem
2016-01-26T16:37:00 < zyp> haha, no
2016-01-26T16:37:26 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1453817588583.jpg
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2016-01-26T16:39:32 < dongs> someone keeps bidding up lantronix
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2016-01-26T16:44:36 < artag> probably lantronix. they'll get more by reselling them than they will from the liquidator
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2016-01-26T16:48:20 < dongs> haha fuck
2016-01-26T16:48:22 < dongs> almost everythign sold
2016-01-26T16:48:26 < dongs> except batts and dick32
2016-01-26T16:48:31 < dongs> 10kgbp for that shit who the fuck wants them
2016-01-26T16:49:12 < crt> maybe ivan lol
2016-01-26T16:50:07 < dongs> hes too tired of innovating with pic
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2016-01-26T17:14:45 < dongs> http://sploid.gizmodo.com/video-shows-how-a-bullet-fired-underwater-doesnt-shoot-1754906974 more NRK  trolling
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2016-01-26T17:22:32 < Sync> pro trolles
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2016-01-26T17:49:19 < dongs> http://www.atlbanana.com/apd-begins-crackdown-on-snowcockalypse/ laurenceb spotted
2016-01-26T17:49:56 < BrainDamage> > feb 2014
2016-01-26T17:51:09 < dongs> shit sorry.
2016-01-26T17:51:13 < dongs> just got tweeted
2016-01-26T17:51:13 < dongs> :(
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2016-01-26T18:20:47 < mitrax> on STM32F0 NRST has an internal pull-up right?
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2016-01-26T18:29:30 < mitrax> this fucking F0 won't start and it has 0.3V on NRST...
2016-01-26T18:30:26 < mitrax> since i wasn't using ADC i forgot to connect VDDA on that test board... so it was left hanging, could that have fried the chip?
2016-01-26T18:31:50 < Taxman> have you measured vcore?
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2016-01-26T18:33:34 < mitrax> well the chip won't start and STLINK can't connect to it, VDD is 2.5V or something
2016-01-26T18:34:31 < Taxman> and vcore?
2016-01-26T18:34:43 < mitrax> how would i measure that?
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2016-01-26T18:36:29 < Taxman> ok i see
2016-01-26T18:36:35 < Taxman> it has no external vcore pins
2016-01-26T18:36:41 < mitrax> no, it's a TSSOP20 package
2016-01-26T18:37:15 < mitrax> actually i don't remember seeing VCORE on STM32F4 LQFP144 either :) but maybe my memory is failing me
2016-01-26T18:37:17 < Taxman> connect avdd. i had no vcore with unconnected avdd
2016-01-26T18:37:37 < Taxman> STM32F4 LQFP144 has two vcore pins
2016-01-26T18:37:50 < Taxman> have to gow now. cu later
2016-01-26T18:38:05 < mitrax> bye :)
2016-01-26T18:38:16 < mitrax> (i did connect it btw)
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2016-01-26T18:57:36 < dongs> is it heating up
2016-01-26T18:57:42 < dongs> oh, youre ogne
2016-01-26T18:57:44 < dongs> k
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2016-01-26T19:07:44 < mitrax> dongs: sorry was on the phone
2016-01-26T19:08:07 < mitrax> dongs: no it's not heating up, and weird thing is i have 0.4V when i mesure NRST, instead of getting VDD
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2016-01-26T19:18:34 < mitrax> nevermind ... fixed it
2016-01-26T19:20:03 < dongs> cool
2016-01-26T19:20:04 < dongs>  wat was it
2016-01-26T19:20:11 < dongs> "i didnt read RM"
2016-01-26T19:20:35 < mitrax> no faulty protection diode on the power line
2016-01-26T19:20:50 < dongs> cool
2016-01-26T19:20:59 < mitrax> i don't know what the fuck my friend put on that board, a zener or something but it's definitely not what it should be
2016-01-26T19:21:37 < mitrax> gaaah, one hour wasted
2016-01-26T19:28:20 < kakimir> car key washed and left for a week
2016-01-26T19:28:35 < kakimir> how stupid I'm opening it and washing in ethanol
2016-01-26T19:28:38 < kakimir> anymore
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2016-01-26T19:30:24 < Laurenceb_> has anyone tried overvolting vcore on F4?
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2016-01-26T19:30:39 < Laurenceb_> for 1337 haxor overclocking
2016-01-26T19:30:49 < kakimir> most likely have
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2016-01-26T19:31:07 < kakimir> how much core voltage is in F4=
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2016-01-26T19:31:12 < Laurenceb_> 1.2v iirc?
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2016-01-26T19:35:01 < zyp> note that Vcore is not core voltage, Vcore just supplies the LDO that generates the core voltage, isn't that so?
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2016-01-26T19:36:46 < zyp> oh, wait, I'm mixing up stuff
2016-01-26T19:37:25 < zyp> there's no Vcore pins at all
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2016-01-26T19:37:41 < zyp> but core voltage is available on the Vcap pins
2016-01-26T19:37:57 < zyp> the whole point of the Vcap pins is to decouple the core voltage
2016-01-26T19:38:29 < zyp> on the larger packages with BYPASS_REG pin, you can turn off internal reg and feed in 1.2V on Vcap pins
2016-01-26T19:38:34 < Laurenceb_> iirc isnt there an operating mode where the ldo is turned off and power applied on vcap
2016-01-26T19:38:36 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-01-26T19:38:42 < Laurenceb_> so you could overvolt
2016-01-26T19:38:52 < zyp> haha
2016-01-26T19:39:01 < Laurenceb_> 1337 stm32
2016-01-26T19:39:52 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U-cc_Qcf-w
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2016-01-26T19:56:23 < kakimir> well it really can't do anything about it when you lift that voltage
2016-01-26T19:57:01 < kakimir> for now I have not seen linear regulator that can drive stuff down
2016-01-26T19:57:45 < kakimir> you could also use it to connect some buck regulator to it
2016-01-26T19:58:27 < kakimir> maybe drive that voltagelevel yourself
2016-01-26T19:58:33 < kakimir> with mcu pin
2016-01-26T19:59:51 < kakimir> so it there other voltage lines in mcu than Vcore
2016-01-26T20:00:00 < kakimir> and GPIO rails
2016-01-26T20:00:05 < dongs> > twice as fast
2016-01-26T20:00:05 < dongs> wat
2016-01-26T20:00:18 < dongs> half the atmel parts are spec'd to run at 20mhz already
2016-01-26T20:00:23 < kakimir> appart from analog stuff
2016-01-26T20:00:31 < dongs> if he was running it at like 144mhz or something I'd be impressed
2016-01-26T20:01:51 < kakimir> wow.. they got something like 70mhz with liquid nitrogen
2016-01-26T20:02:10 < kakimir> so there was basically no use of it
2016-01-26T20:12:16 < kakimir> Laurenceb is very good wasting your time
2016-01-26T20:14:13 < kakimir> formula of good shitpost: provoking + retarded
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2016-01-26T20:37:50 < yan> er
2016-01-26T20:37:52 < Sync> rekt
2016-01-26T21:02:46 < aandrew> dongs: what do you use for hot air shit
2016-01-26T21:03:01 < aandrew> my ancient atmoscope 1036 is drive me crazy
2016-01-26T21:03:27 < Steffanx> Dongs doesnt do hobby bobby soldering.
2016-01-26T21:03:43 < aandrew> not about hobby. even doing mfg you need some decent rework tools
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2016-01-26T22:16:05 < Martin90> I would like to put small linux on stm uC and my question is which linux and on which uC do you recommend ?
2016-01-26T22:21:09 < Laurenceb_> why would you do that
2016-01-26T22:22:52 < Martin90> to have linux on microocontroler ;)
2016-01-26T22:23:02 < Laurenceb_> you sick fuck
2016-01-26T22:23:09 < Martin90> ;p
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2016-01-26T22:24:30 < BrainDamage> linux by default kinda hates not having an iommu, you'll have to poke around the config, iirc uclinux has been merged in reg linux so it should be possible
2016-01-26T22:25:16 < BrainDamage> plus fuck with all the modules etc to reduce size
2016-01-26T22:25:28 < BrainDamage> all of this, to get sauceaids in something it doesn't belong
2016-01-26T22:27:47 < pid> afaik iommu != mmu :P
2016-01-26T22:33:05 < BrainDamage> yeah sorry mixed up pmmu with iommu
2016-01-26T22:33:11 < BrainDamage> still the point is valid
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2016-01-26T22:43:56 < Martin90> which prototype board do ou recommend ?
2016-01-26T22:50:46 < Rob235> ADC123_IN11, does that mean I can choose ADC1, 2, or 3 as long as I use channel 11?
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2016-01-26T23:10:02 < bilboquet_> http://www.emcraft.com/stm32f429discovery
2016-01-26T23:10:27 < bilboquet_> but ...
2016-01-26T23:12:27 < karlp> bilboquet_: yeah, was going to say, emcraft have a demo of this, but you're wasting your time.
2016-01-26T23:12:51 < karlp> Martin90: no geek points, it's been done to often, and no style points, and no functionality plusses... so.....
2016-01-26T23:13:41 < Martin90> I was planning to buy -> http://www.st.com/web/en/catalog/tools/FM116/SC959/SS1532/LN1847/PF260320
2016-01-26T23:13:49 < Martin90> what do you think about that board ?
2016-01-26T23:14:14 < karlp> well, it will definitely make your teeth whiter, and I've heard it babysits well too.
2016-01-26T23:14:18 < karlp> so you're probably onto a winner
2016-01-26T23:15:01 < Martin90> how would you comapre discovery with nucleo ?
2016-01-26T23:15:32 < Martin90> and what do you mean by " babysits" ?
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2016-01-27T00:09:25 < kakimir> wait..
2016-01-27T00:09:41 < kakimir> I think there is channel for #arm
2016-01-27T00:10:07 < kakimir> ##arm
2016-01-27T00:10:09 < kakimir> somewhere
2016-01-27T00:10:28 < kakimir> size in few hundreds
2016-01-27T00:20:42 < mitrax> hrm that F0 won't go below 150µA in stop mode i wonder what i'm doing wrong
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2016-01-27T00:26:09 < kakimir> how low it should go?
2016-01-27T00:26:29 < kakimir> "The libopencm3 project (previously known as libopenstm32)"
2016-01-27T00:28:16 < mitrax> according to the datasheet 3.5µA from VDD + 1.2µA from VDDA
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2016-01-27T00:33:10 < kakimir> it's not stopped then
2016-01-27T00:33:24 < kakimir> see that all prerequirements are met
2016-01-27T00:33:32 < kakimir> usually listed in datasheet
2016-01-27T00:33:50 < mitrax> it is stopped
2016-01-27T00:34:17 < kakimir> you need to switch some peripherals etc?
2016-01-27T00:34:20 < mitrax> but i have current leaking somewhere
2016-01-27T00:34:24 < kakimir> rtc?
2016-01-27T00:34:36 < mitrax> nope rtc is disabled
2016-01-27T00:35:00 < kakimir> there is no other devices in vcc?
2016-01-27T00:35:38 < mitrax> no just the mcu
2016-01-27T00:35:39 < kakimir> do you need to config pins?
2016-01-27T00:35:48 < Sync> where are you measuring?
2016-01-27T00:36:03 < Sync> pure mcu current or do you have an ldo infront of it?
2016-01-27T00:36:15 < mitrax> Sync: between the board and the power supply, no LDO
2016-01-27T00:36:41 < kakimir> is there seperate LDO
2016-01-27T00:37:42 < mitrax> no there's no LDO, i'm measuring the current flowing from my lab supply with an ampermeter
2016-01-27T00:38:05 < kakimir> is there resistor dividers
2016-01-27T00:38:11 < kakimir> is there leds
2016-01-27T00:38:24 < mitrax> no as i told you before only the mcu
2016-01-27T00:38:33 < kakimir> hmm
2016-01-27T00:38:58 < kakimir> is there match of other state to 150uA ?
2016-01-27T00:39:10 < mitrax> i'll try sleep mode
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2016-01-27T00:39:30 < kakimir> have you done this before+
2016-01-27T00:39:33 < mitrax> err standby
2016-01-27T00:39:42 < mitrax> before what?
2016-01-27T00:40:26 < mitrax> not sure what you mean by that
2016-01-27T00:40:46 < kakimir> stopped it
2016-01-27T00:42:46 < mitrax> hm standby gives about the same current, something is leaking through one of the IO pin
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2016-01-27T00:51:34 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi_9YuMynW0 scully and mulder give it one more try
2016-01-27T00:51:52 < kakimir> I don't know what this is
2016-01-27T00:52:37 < mitrax> don't waste your time, it blows
2016-01-27T00:52:47 < mitrax> awful acting
2016-01-27T00:53:43 < mitrax> which is weird because i don't remember duchovny being so bad
2016-01-27T00:54:48 < Taxman> re
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2016-01-27T00:59:34 < kakimir> why they have granpa and grandma still there
2016-01-27T00:59:56 < kakimir> oh.. because new generation remakes suck ass
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2016-01-27T01:05:53 < mitrax> oh great, i locked myself in, what a fucking idiot, configured all pins on startup to analog
2016-01-27T01:06:12 < mitrax> time to cut the boot0 wire... duh
2016-01-27T01:08:48 < upgrdman_> wtf https://hackaday.com/2016/01/25/raspberry-pi-zero-cluster-packs-a-punch/#comments
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2016-01-27T01:10:08 < BrainDamage> they meant clusterfuck
2016-01-27T01:10:11 < BrainDamage> it was a typo
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2016-01-27T01:12:49 < kakimir> somebody have had an vision
2016-01-27T01:13:16 < kakimir> harmful one
2016-01-27T01:13:30 < kakimir> somebody will buy it
2016-01-27T01:13:39 < kakimir> and mine some buttcoin
2016-01-27T01:13:43 < BrainDamage> rest of the world calls that "hallucinations" also "being stoned"
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2016-01-27T01:15:11 < scummos> pi cluster always sounded completely pointless to me
2016-01-27T01:15:14 < scummos> why would you do that
2016-01-27T01:15:38 < scummos> I just cannot imagine it being faster than, say, a single Xeon CPU for the same price
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2016-01-27T01:18:32 < Martin90> hmm STM32 NUCLEO or discovery ?
2016-01-27T01:18:43 < BMWPower> hi
2016-01-27T01:19:13 < BMWPower> i keep getting other chars with usart....
2016-01-27T01:19:40 < BMWPower> on stm32F103 with standard pheripheral
2016-01-27T01:20:11 < kakimir> for every pi cluster project there must be some dongs kikeing both buttcoins and coins
2016-01-27T01:21:04 < kakimir> from stoned people
2016-01-27T01:22:10 < BMWPower> anyone?
2016-01-27T01:23:08 < kakimir> BMWPower: baudrate mismatch?
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2016-01-27T01:23:28 < BMWPower> on logic it seems ok
2016-01-27T01:23:38 < BMWPower> lsb and msb also..
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2016-01-27T01:24:14 < BMWPower> on logic analyzer i get the right chars....could it be putty??
2016-01-27T01:24:21 < kakimir> it would
2016-01-27T01:24:32 < BMWPower> or clock?
2016-01-27T01:24:33 < kakimir> throw it away and install realterm
2016-01-27T01:24:53 < BMWPower> ok! i will try that
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2016-01-27T01:27:38 < BMWPower> on stm32l151rc same problem...
2016-01-27T01:27:53 < BMWPower> so it has to be putty
2016-01-27T01:29:15 < BMWPower> i had to turn msb-> lsb though
2016-01-27T01:29:23 < BMWPower> on the tm32l1
2016-01-27T01:29:31 < BMWPower> stm
2016-01-27T01:29:41 < Rob235> is it pointless to use adc in continuous mode to read battery voltage? it updates too fast to be useful right?
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2016-01-27T01:30:43 < BMWPower> Rob235, you could time this right?
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2016-01-27T01:32:28 < Rob235> I guess I can have it update at the slowest rate and in the interrupt handler have a divider
2016-01-27T01:33:08 < BMWPower> that should work.. or use polling
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2016-01-27T01:34:46 < Rob235> this is my first time using adc, what is the number of conversions setting?
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2016-01-27T01:36:27 < Rob235> is it the number of channels?
2016-01-27T01:38:22 < Rob235> ehh actually I think I'm going to use single conversion mode
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2016-01-27T01:50:16 < kakimir> Rob235: if you clock down that adc
2016-01-27T01:50:56 < kakimir> else it's just monitors ultra high rate how it drains itself
2016-01-27T01:51:23 < kakimir> isn't full conversion speed like
2016-01-27T01:51:28 < kakimir> in milliamps
2016-01-27T01:51:52 < kakimir> few
2016-01-27T01:52:01 < kakimir> for nothing
2016-01-27T01:52:12 < Rob235> I don't know, I just wrote the pin/periph config code, haven't gotten to values yet
2016-01-27T01:53:12 < Rob235> you mean at full speed its only using a few mA?
2016-01-27T01:53:35 < Rob235> so it doesn't matter? not sure if that's what you meant
2016-01-27T01:55:36 < kakimir> I think it's a lot of wasted current
2016-01-27T01:55:39 < kakimir> for nothing
2016-01-27T01:56:13 < Rob235> what is the minimum rate you should read current to get an accurate count of remaining capacity?
2016-01-27T01:56:28 < Rob235> oh ok, yea, for this its completely unnecessary
2016-01-27T01:56:42 < mitrax> hrm standby is working with 2µA... but not stop, weird
2016-01-27T01:57:33 < kakimir> mitrax: you have some typical error betweeen 1 and 0 bit in sleep state control register config function?
2016-01-27T01:57:53 < kakimir> isn't there some register that switches between standby and stop modes
2016-01-27T01:58:04 < kakimir> actually one bit or so
2016-01-27T01:58:50 < kakimir> speak
2016-01-27T01:59:10 < kakimir> I need to know
2016-01-27T02:00:05 < kakimir> Rob235: more is better
2016-01-27T02:00:20 < kakimir> obiviously you cant be counting it with all you have
2016-01-27T02:00:48 < Rob235> Standby/stop what the adc?
2016-01-27T02:01:08 < kakimir> I spoke to mitrax
2016-01-27T02:01:18 < Rob235> ohhh
2016-01-27T02:01:27 < kakimir> what is your appication Rob235 ?
2016-01-27T02:01:39 < Rob235> hexacopter flight controller
2016-01-27T02:01:58 < kakimir> okay
2016-01-27T02:02:10 < kakimir> lots of ripple in voltage line
2016-01-27T02:02:21 < kakimir> makes in complex subject already
2016-01-27T02:03:11 < kakimir> plan to filter analog signal?
2016-01-27T02:03:19 < Rob235> I'm setting the adc sample time to max which is 480 cycles. I'm guessing it averages over those cycles or some kind of filtering?
2016-01-27T02:03:36 < Rob235> and I was going to filter it again myself
2016-01-27T02:03:38 < kakimir> that is kind of filtering
2016-01-27T02:04:29 < Rob235> is it standard noise that you get? like would a median filter work well or maybe just a low pass filter
2016-01-27T02:04:58 < Rob235> ripple sounds different than that
2016-01-27T02:05:17 < Rob235> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10644
2016-01-27T02:05:20 < Rob235> I'm using that by the way
2016-01-27T02:05:31 < kakimir> it can definitelly be periodic stuff with in ripple
2016-01-27T02:06:15 < kakimir> and adc does stuff periodically too
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2016-01-27T02:07:12 < mitrax> kakimir: the PDSS bit of the PWR_CR register select standby or stop (standby when set) besides that in stop mode there's the LPDS bit that control the voltage regulator state (on or low power mode), then for both the sleep deep bit is set in the system control register SCB_SCR
2016-01-27T02:07:40 < Rob235> since it updates very quickly, would a low pass filter with a small constant work well?
2016-01-27T02:07:48 < mitrax> kakimir: anyway i'm using ST's lib, that does just that
2016-01-27T02:07:56 < kakimir> they have failed
2016-01-27T02:07:59 < kakimir> ?
2016-01-27T02:09:13 < mitrax> i don't think they fucked that up, or well let's hope not, but their code seems to be ok when i check against the datasheet
2016-01-27T02:09:45 < kakimir> how your code looks
2016-01-27T02:10:10 < kakimir> http://pastebin.com/
2016-01-27T02:10:43 < kakimir> Rob235: also when you sample results matter
2016-01-27T02:10:58 < mitrax> i'll carry on with debuggingt tomorrow, it's 1am over here, off to bed
2016-01-27T02:11:00 < mitrax> but thanks
2016-01-27T02:11:11 < Rob235> what do you mean
2016-01-27T02:11:33 < kakimir> if acd generates million result a second
2016-01-27T02:11:48 < kakimir> you read every 100ms or so
2016-01-27T02:13:01 < kakimir> that result is average of periodic cycle of voltage line
2016-01-27T02:13:20 < Rob235> right
2016-01-27T02:13:40 < kakimir> that happens always same time
2016-01-27T02:15:51 < kakimir> power control is all periodic. fixed times and frequencies. so if those get kind of aligned
2016-01-27T02:16:05 < kakimir> you may always read high value
2016-01-27T02:16:13 < kakimir> or low value
2016-01-27T02:16:31 < kakimir> or high value every 1/5 period and low every 4/5
2016-01-27T02:17:03 < karlp> mitrax: yeah, watched new xfiles last night, atrocious
2016-01-27T02:18:39 < kakimir> when ideal is that you have voltage values represented in same ratio that those actually appear in voltage line
2016-01-27T02:19:32 < kakimir> that comes out as correct average value too
2016-01-27T02:19:58 < kakimir> in longer runs
2016-01-27T02:22:31 < kakimir> there is 2 ways to tackle it
2016-01-27T02:22:54 < kakimir> 1) lot of low pass filtering to blur it out
2016-01-27T02:23:30 < kakimir> 2) sample in multiples of speed compared to events in voltage line
2016-01-27T02:24:10 < kakimir> *averaging sample
2016-01-27T02:25:30 < kakimir> but in later one you may or may not have enought samples to cover whole spectrum of frequencies there
2016-01-27T02:26:27 < kakimir> and need to do some smart stuff to time those averaged results and average averaged results
2016-01-27T02:26:33 < kakimir> rage rage
2016-01-27T02:27:37 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/tech/res/506044.html#q506044
2016-01-27T02:28:54 < kakimir> Rob235: plug oscilloscope to VBAT of ESC and record some waveform data
2016-01-27T02:29:00 < kakimir> while running motor
2016-01-27T02:30:08 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-01-27T02:30:09 < kakimir> I think it will have slower waves and spikes up and down
2016-01-27T02:33:34 < kakimir> dongs: have you measured VBAT from esc running motor?
2016-01-27T02:33:37 < kakimir> with load on it
2016-01-27T02:33:43 < kakimir> lots of load
2016-01-27T02:34:12 < kakimir> I would but I'm already in bed
2016-01-27T02:34:17 < dongs> aandrew: i  got the usual aoyue 968 thing for hotair (lopped off the soldering iron after getting my metcal) and one of those IR rework tables with hotplate + IR lamp. T698+ or something like that. the usual chinq one. both ive had for years, not any issues
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2016-01-27T03:07:13 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/xindex.php,qaction=dlattach,3Btopic=29276.0,3Battach=619549,3Bimage.pagespeed.ic.LA1r10A3gl.png
2016-01-27T03:16:41 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/gfZUZKl
2016-01-27T03:31:19 < kakimir> why you keep forcing that counterfeit name retarted forum Laurenceb_ ?
2016-01-27T03:31:55 < kakimir> you ruin my day
2016-01-27T03:35:01 < Laurenceb_> its more amusing than 8chan
2016-01-27T03:35:09 < Laurenceb_> and nothing else is amusing
2016-01-27T03:36:12 < kakimir> as I see it's provokingly retarded no offence
2016-01-27T03:37:22 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/MxRgYVY.gifv typical chinese activityt
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2016-01-27T03:42:39 < upgrdman> nice demolition  http://i.imgur.com/wlwvsmF.gifv
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2016-01-27T03:47:04 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2016/01/26/bye-bye-atmega328p-hello-328pb/#comments
2016-01-27T03:47:11 < Laurenceb_> lol frank26080115
2016-01-27T03:49:06 < emeb_mac> haha
2016-01-27T03:49:17 < emeb_mac> here's a nickle kid - get yourself a real MCU.
2016-01-27T03:49:41 < emeb_mac> and maybe bone up on your DMA & ISR programming while your at it.
2016-01-27T03:55:35 < dongs> lawl
2016-01-27T03:55:39 < dongs> what a dumbfuck
2016-01-27T03:57:59 < dongs> These chips come only in TQFP and QFN packages, so I doubt they will be very popular among the Arduino crowd. Perhaps some Arduino compatible board with them will appear, but otherwise not a whole lot of interest.
2016-01-27T03:58:03 < dongs> And the other question is how long will these actually stay on the market, considering that Microchip has bought Atmel and they have quite a few competing micros in this price range – typically with many more and more advanced peripherals than AVRs ever had.
2016-01-27T03:58:07 < dongs> OMG NO DIP = NO MAKERS
2016-01-27T03:58:09 < dongs> haha
2016-01-27T03:58:12 < dongs> MICROCHIP CONSPIRACY!11
2016-01-27T04:00:21 < Sync> rekt
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2016-01-27T04:12:51 < emeb_mac> dongs: I've got a buddy who works in apps engr @ MCHP. He's convinced that MCHP is going to kill off all of Atmel's MCUs.
2016-01-27T04:13:14 < dongs> fuck yes
2016-01-27T04:13:18 < dongs> plz keep us updated.
2016-01-27T04:13:28 < dongs> the rage of MAKE:rs would be fucking amazing
2016-01-27T04:13:54 < emeb_mac> "It's as if millions of voices cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced."
2016-01-27T04:15:25 < dongs> emeb_mac: so r u saying HAL has working I2C on F<any number> including master/slave?
2016-01-27T04:15:50 < dongs> stm32f1xx_hal_i2c.c = 122kilobytes holy shit.
2016-01-27T04:15:50 < emeb_mac> dongs: I've only used it on F7
2016-01-27T04:15:57 < dongs> i geuss IT DOES WORK
2016-01-27T04:16:07 < emeb_mac> I suspect that it'd be similarly configured on other parts tho
2016-01-27T04:16:15 < dongs>   * @author  MCD Application Team
2016-01-27T04:16:15 < dongs>   * @version V1.0.3
2016-01-27T04:16:15 < dongs>   * @date    11-January-2016
2016-01-27T04:16:16 < dongs> nice.
2016-01-27T04:16:20 < dongs> as new as it gets
2016-01-27T04:22:19 < Sync> need to look into it
2016-01-27T04:22:24 < Sync> as the i2c shit is aids
2016-01-27T04:24:18 < ds2> DAMN IT
2016-01-27T04:24:25 < ds2> wtf do they have to make RP-SMA
2016-01-27T04:25:23 < emeb_mac> I hate those things
2016-01-27T04:26:09 < emeb_mac> IIRC it was the FCC didn't want people to be able to easily add high gain antennas to their wifi routers.
2016-01-27T04:26:17 < emeb_mac> so they mandated strange connectors.
2016-01-27T04:26:42 < emeb_mac> which of course were immediately available from all the usual suspects
2016-01-27T04:31:00 < ds2> does this look like RP-SMA to you - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XAYM4TI
2016-01-27T04:33:48 < ds2> Grrr I see the problem
2016-01-27T04:34:03 < ds2> 4 are normal SMA; 1 RP-SMA got mixed in
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2016-01-27T04:42:43 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/DIEyfn68.html nice
2016-01-27T04:45:42 < ds2> dongs: the paste in the hole method worked for the short lead connectors
2016-01-27T04:45:52 < dongs> Yep
2016-01-27T04:48:38 < dongs> wonder how bloated of a bootlaoder I can make when using I2C
2016-01-27T04:48:41 < dongs> and HAL/CUBE
2016-01-27T04:48:55 < dongs> prebuilt hal probly = over 9000bytes
2016-01-27T04:48:59 < dongs> with just while (1) in main
2016-01-27T04:53:39 < ds2> is it a low power while(1)? :D
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2016-01-27T05:48:38 < upgrdman> in a starbucks  http://i.imgur.com/c09KCXq.jpg
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2016-01-27T06:06:46 < upgrdman> any of you pros used lattice machxo2 fpgas?
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2016-01-27T07:01:14 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/1tvXQlJ
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2016-01-27T07:18:52 < dongs> about to try stuff with CUBE HAL
2016-01-27T07:19:14 < dongs> all of them
2016-01-27T07:19:18 < dongs> i mean junk using hal
2016-01-27T07:19:48 < dongs> some shitty interns
2016-01-27T07:19:52 < dongs> @ st
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2016-01-27T07:33:42 < dongs> Program Size: Code=216 RO-data=252 RW-data=0 ZI-data=1024
2016-01-27T07:33:43 < dongs> hm
2016-01-27T07:33:45 < dongs> blank hal project
2016-01-27T07:41:09 < jpa-> so basically vector table; though i wonder what needs that 1kB of zero initialized RAM
2016-01-27T07:41:12 < jpa-> stack?
2016-01-27T07:45:09 < dongs> yeah just heap/stack i think
2016-01-27T07:46:29 < dongs> hm cocks
2016-01-27T07:46:37 < dongs> i cant fucking open these new .s files in keil wizard anymore
2016-01-27T07:47:06 < emeb_mac> damn proprietary software. ;)
2016-01-27T07:47:17 < ds2> blah keil
2016-01-27T07:48:06 < dongs> yeah, the 1k ZI is stack
2016-01-27T07:48:32 < dongs> heap was set to 0x200 but making it zero doenst change anything
2016-01-27T07:48:41 < dongs> probly if no heap allocation shit is used they dont bother making that segment
2016-01-27T07:52:56 < dongs> R2COM, listen. I'm quite disgusted by your non-apology and fakery. I have removed you from all my social contacts. Your naivete is not worth my time. There are a lot of better tech experts out there, experts that surely pay more attention about diversity than YOU DO.
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2016-01-27T10:15:32 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljZ-Bydjzw8
2016-01-27T10:15:39 < PeterM> best musics
2016-01-27T10:26:01 < dongs> mebbe if youre stoned
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2016-01-27T10:34:13 < jpa-> bah, why can't i get newlib working for me
2016-01-27T10:34:17 < jpa-> crashes in __sinit()
2016-01-27T10:34:49 < dongs> fucking gigabit is so slow
2016-01-27T10:45:18 < jpa-> hmph, -lnosys didn't like me for some reason
2016-01-27T10:45:22 < jpa-> without it it works
2016-01-27T10:45:28 < jpa-> (after adding the syscalls)
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2016-01-27T11:40:09 < stukdev> hi. where can i find the old version of stmcubemx? on the official site i can find only the latest vesrion
2016-01-27T11:44:18 < dongs> why
2016-01-27T11:51:46 < karlp> reminiscing about old bugs
2016-01-27T11:57:25 < stukdev> dongs: becouse old software need a little recompile, and a new cube can't open old project. it want upgrade the project to new library.
2016-01-27T12:03:02 < dongs> shoulda kept backups
2016-01-27T12:03:17 < dongs> i have SetupSTM32CubeMX-4.10.0.exe
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2016-01-27T12:03:23 < dongs> nd SetupSTM32CubeMX-4.12.0.exe
2016-01-27T12:03:26 < dongs> (latest)
2016-01-27T12:09:48 < stukdev> dongs: me too, so the st haven't an history ftp with old version :(
2016-01-27T12:17:27 < emeryth> I have 4.3.1
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2016-01-27T14:35:48 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Arduino-controlled-space-capsule/
2016-01-27T14:35:54 < dongs> > space
2016-01-27T14:35:58 < dongs> > arduino
2016-01-27T14:36:00 < dongs> > 3d printed
2016-01-27T14:36:03 < dongs> i can see this going well
2016-01-27T14:36:25 < dongs> 750 Brazilian Real equals
2016-01-27T14:36:26 < dongs> 185.64 US Dollar
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2016-01-27T14:37:44 < Sync> The costs to send me the prototypes as the production costs is completely on your charge,
2016-01-27T14:37:50 < Sync> riiight
2016-01-27T14:37:55 < dongs> haha
2016-01-27T14:37:58 < dongs> missed that
2016-01-27T14:38:02 < dongs> already closed page after seeing BRL cost
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2016-01-27T15:12:00 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/pcb-layout-9471732/
2016-01-27T15:12:07 < dongs> inndialayout
2016-01-27T15:12:19 < Sync> Alotum
2016-01-27T15:12:36 < dongs> 95% some indian who took on a job he can't do
2016-01-27T15:12:42 < dongs> so he's trying to outsource it to someone else
2016-01-27T15:12:49 < dongs> under new account
2016-01-27T15:12:55 < Sync> probably
2016-01-27T15:13:47 < crt> alotum
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2016-01-27T15:46:16 < Laurenceb> stm32f1xx_hal_i2c.c = 122kilobytes holy shit.
2016-01-27T15:46:20 < Laurenceb> top kek
2016-01-27T15:46:25 < Laurenceb> so much fail
2016-01-27T15:46:43 < dongs> BUT
2016-01-27T15:46:46 < dongs> if you just close your eyes
2016-01-27T15:46:49 < dongs> it works
2016-01-27T15:46:54 < dongs> and you just dont care
2016-01-27T15:46:56 < dongs> and it just works
2016-01-27T15:46:58 < dongs> thats all
2016-01-27T15:47:08 < Laurenceb> is this cube?
2016-01-27T15:47:12 < Laurenceb> I'm confused
2016-01-27T15:47:14 < dongs> no, its hal
2016-01-27T15:47:25 < Laurenceb> wait.. st gave up on cube?
2016-01-27T15:47:27 < dongs> cube = autogenerates code that uses hal
2016-01-27T15:47:28 < dongs> no
2016-01-27T15:47:34 < dongs> ^ the previous line
2016-01-27T15:47:37 < Laurenceb> oh
2016-01-27T15:47:43 < Laurenceb> lol fail
2016-01-27T15:47:56 < Laurenceb> overengineered junk
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2016-01-27T15:49:01  * Laurenceb heads back to 8chan
2016-01-27T15:49:49 < Laurenceb> Josh lied, 8chan died
2016-01-27T15:51:19 < ReadError> wtf u talking about
2016-01-27T15:52:17 < Laurenceb> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Ichverbot
2016-01-27T15:53:11 < Laurenceb>  JOSH HAS FLED THE PHILIPPINES
2016-01-27T15:53:13 < Laurenceb> top kek
2016-01-27T15:57:31 < ReadError> ill pray for you Laurenceb
2016-01-27T16:03:09 < Laurenceb> maybe I should make a chan system that runs on F7discovery
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2016-01-27T16:32:10 < Laurenceb> Trump guaranteed http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/republican-candidate
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2016-01-27T17:09:28 < jon1012_> someone played with the stm32f7 on linux yet ?
2016-01-27T17:09:45 < dongs> pretty sure emeb only pros up on windows
2016-01-27T17:10:57 < jon1012_> emeb ?
2016-01-27T17:11:11 < dongs> the guy in here as emeb or emeb_mac
2016-01-27T17:11:17 < dongs> he's doing something wiht F7 nad -disco
2016-01-27T17:11:21 < dongs> -and
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2016-01-27T17:11:53 < ReadError> tectu maybe
2016-01-27T17:11:54 < jon1012_> oh ok :)
2016-01-27T17:11:59 < dongs> plz
2016-01-27T17:12:04 < dongs> tectu couldnt code his way out of a paper bag
2016-01-27T17:12:05 < dongs> kinda like you
2016-01-27T17:12:13 < jon1012_> thanks :)
2016-01-27T17:12:14 < ReadError> hey all my stuff works
2016-01-27T17:12:21 < dongs> cuz you didnt fucking write it
2016-01-27T17:12:26 < dongs> of course it works if others wrote the shit
2016-01-27T17:12:37 < ReadError> its licensed under the embarassware license
2016-01-27T17:12:51 < ReadError> huh no, i have several things i wrote from the ground up
2016-01-27T17:13:03 < jon1012_> and someone tried SystemWorkbench for STM32 ?
2016-01-27T17:13:37 < jon1012_> same here, I wrote a lot of things from the ground up
2016-01-27T17:13:45  * Laurenceb is wondering if F7 is actually faster
2016-01-27T17:13:57 < jon1012_> (but usually not in C I have to admit)
2016-01-27T17:14:00 < Laurenceb> superscalar micro just seems wrong
2016-01-27T17:15:05 < jon1012_> I'm trying to figure it out, testing same code on both F4 and f7
2016-01-27T17:15:34 < jon1012_> (and checking if there are some optimization I could use from chrom art and stuff like that)
2016-01-27T17:17:55 < Laurenceb> interesting
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2016-01-27T17:18:28 < Laurenceb> maybe PIC32 is faster
2016-01-27T17:18:36 < Laurenceb> inb4 Reedman was right
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2016-01-27T17:31:58 < aandrew> yeah it's gonna suck if they toss AVR
2016-01-27T17:32:06 < aandrew> PIC is awful
2016-01-27T17:32:13 < aandrew> I used to love it but it's just gone to hell
2016-01-27T17:32:37 < aandrew> difficult product differentiation, impossible part numbering, impenetrable documentation and shit tools
2016-01-27T17:32:48 < celeron55> is there any actual information on what they plan to do?
2016-01-27T17:32:53 < Sync> no
2016-01-27T17:33:12 < dongs> aandrew: who gives a shit, they're both awful
2016-01-27T17:33:28 < dongs> microchip does enough other shit so that thier pic line doesnt matter
2016-01-27T17:33:29 < aandrew> well with some of these tiny ARMs they are definitely falling by the wayside
2016-01-27T17:33:43 < dongs> and avr hasnt been relevant in forever
2016-01-27T17:34:05 < aandrew> I mean you can get a 32-bit device in a SOT23-6 package... makes it hard to stay with the 8-bitters
2016-01-27T17:34:24 < dongs> i was just trolling owner of macetech on efnet earlier today
2016-01-27T17:34:27 < dongs> he was liek
2016-01-27T17:34:37 < dongs> if you just wanna hold a button down are you gonna use a 555 or AVR?
2016-01-27T17:34:47 < dongs> i was like no, i'd just use the cheapest cortex i have in stock
2016-01-27T17:35:30 < Laurenceb> lul  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SECxn8k58Ng
2016-01-27T17:36:17 < aandrew> heh
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2016-01-27T17:55:49 < mitrax> bleh i'm getting piss poor range with those 433Mhz modules and the helix antenna :(
2016-01-27T17:56:10 < jpa-> maybe it is badly matched?
2016-01-27T17:57:19 < mitrax> it's supposed to be matched, i should untwist it and check the length... sucks that i don't have any device to check SWR or where it resonates
2016-01-27T17:57:43 < mitrax> i fucking hate RF
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2016-01-27T17:57:53 < jpa-> yeah, might require some random inductors or caps
2016-01-27T17:58:36 < Sync> dongs: why does he have the same landing page as you have?
2016-01-27T18:01:22 < Laurenceb> tuning helix antenna is a pita
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2016-01-27T18:02:27 < Sync> Laurenceb: it is kinda easy?
2016-01-27T18:02:44 < Sync> just attach to NWA and strech/file
2016-01-27T18:02:45 < mitrax> well not sure what's the proper term, helix / helical / coil, it's just coil with one end connected
2016-01-27T18:02:54 < mitrax> err just A coil
2016-01-27T18:03:13 < mitrax> shit like this http://www.radiometrix.com/files/additional/coil-ant-right-angled.jpg
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2016-01-27T18:04:40 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/EDmOex.jpg
2016-01-27T18:05:18 < Laurenceb> yeah those are notorious for tuning
2016-01-27T18:05:24 < Laurenceb> you will need to faff for ages
2016-01-27T18:05:32 < mitrax> faff?
2016-01-27T18:05:56 < Laurenceb> annoyance
2016-01-27T18:07:03 < Sync> yeah, they are cancer
2016-01-27T18:07:41 < mitrax> maybe i could try this http://www.mouser.fr/ProductDetail/Linx-Technologies/ANT-433-USP/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuBTKBKvsBmlJTbLrZ3IP5O8q423DJX4W0%3d
2016-01-27T18:09:18 < mitrax> gah it needs a huge ground plane
2016-01-27T18:16:10 < Lux> a dipole will allways work, if you have enough space
2016-01-27T18:17:21 < Lux> 16.5 cm on 433mhz per wire tough :/
2016-01-27T18:17:33 < mitrax> i don't :)
2016-01-27T18:17:35 < mitrax> unfortunately
2016-01-27T18:18:04 < zyp> well, if you don't then you need to tune it
2016-01-27T18:18:05 < mitrax> it's in a waterproof case so no external antenna
2016-01-27T18:18:40 < zyp> the smaller you try to make an antenna, the more sensitive it becomes to environmental detuning
2016-01-27T18:18:46 < mitrax> zyp: do you have a a tuning circuit in mind that i could use? i guess adjustable coil / capacitor ?
2016-01-27T18:19:20 < zyp> idk
2016-01-27T18:19:27 < zyp> find somebody with a VNA you can borrow
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2016-01-27T18:21:23 < mitrax> zyp: yup, the RX module has an RSSI output so i guess i could use that in the first place, but you meant tune it with some additional circuitry that's manually adjustable right?
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2016-01-27T18:22:47 < mitrax> i.e impedance matching circuitry
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2016-01-27T18:24:20 < zyp> mitrax, yes, just a simple matching thing
2016-01-27T18:24:49 < zyp> or even just vary the length of the antenna
2016-01-27T18:25:33 < Lux> you could probably tune it by measuring the power consumption
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2016-01-27T18:26:55 < Lux> might blow your transmitter tough, if you let is send on a badly mismatched antenna for a while
2016-01-27T18:26:58 < mitrax> yeah, although i'm not sure it will vary, when it's unmatched the power is reflected back and dissipated, supposedly
2016-01-27T18:27:16 < mitrax> the RX module has an RSSI output though , i could use that
2016-01-27T18:27:24 < zyp> yeah, I would assume unradiated power is just dissipated
2016-01-27T18:27:33 < jon1012_> mmh... the stm32f7 works perfectly at 288mhz...
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2016-01-27T19:08:05 < Laurenceb> https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2016/Jan/26/LiveLeak-dot-com-e45_1453864321-trump_meme-810x534_1453864340.jpg.resized.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd2954445ddd49642&ec_rate=230
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2016-01-27T19:34:54 < kakimir> 90% of these freelancer project are shiet
2016-01-27T19:35:24 < kakimir> orderer doesn't know what is happening
2016-01-27T19:35:42 < kakimir> order can't properly spec what he needs
2016-01-27T19:35:49 < kakimir> orderer doesn't have money
2016-01-27T19:36:28 < kakimir> budget is in under 250dollar category
2016-01-27T19:40:02 < Steffanx> I always wonder, what do you do for a living kakimir?
2016-01-27T19:40:53 < kakimir> not too much
2016-01-27T19:41:37 < Steffanx> But what? Farming or really nothing?
2016-01-27T19:41:55 < kakimir> It's not my business
2016-01-27T19:42:05 < kakimir> I just work here and live here
2016-01-27T19:42:16 < kakimir> and in winter I just live here
2016-01-27T19:42:31 < Steffanx> Its a serious question( im curious)
2016-01-27T19:42:57 < kakimir> there is no serious answer to that
2016-01-27T19:44:35 < Steffanx> Sure there is.
2016-01-27T19:46:32 < kakimir> I try not to say
2016-01-27T19:46:39 < mitrax> dongs: off to bed already?
2016-01-27T19:46:40 < kakimir> that I'm pretty much unemployed
2016-01-27T19:47:35 < Steffanx> Ok, no problem if you dont want to :)
2016-01-27T19:48:31 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9b0_1453425576
2016-01-27T20:00:38 < mitrax> have you guys ever had trouble getting the lowest possible consumption in stop mode? on a board with a F0 standby mode eats 3µA but stop mode a wooping150µA
2016-01-27T20:01:49 < mitrax> there must be some clocks that i'm not disabling or something
2016-01-27T20:40:16 < jpa-> mitrax: floating input pins are one common pitfall
2016-01-27T20:40:32 < jpa-> also pull-ups and pull-downs if the pin is in different state
2016-01-27T20:40:34 < mitrax> jpa-: i set them to adc input as recommended
2016-01-27T20:41:12 < jpa-> i have trouble getting lowest power consumption all the time ;)
2016-01-27T20:41:47 < mitrax> jpa-: at first i assumed it was something wrong with the board, but standby mode works as expected... it's weird
2016-01-27T20:42:09 < jpa-> one way to subdivide the problem is to go to the powersave mode immediately at the start of main(), before initializing anything; to see if it helps
2016-01-27T20:42:21 < jpa-> and then move that to test which initialization is the problem
2016-01-27T20:43:28 < mitrax> ahah i did that and "locked myself in" yesterday night, had boot0 wired to gnd on the board :) so it would immediately go to sleep and i couldn't program it
2016-01-27T20:45:23 < mitrax> ensued a good five minutes of cursing before i realized i could just cut the track and set boot0 to 1 so i could reprogram it
2016-01-27T20:48:22 < mitrax> jpa-: the only thing i'm doing before going to sleep mode is actually enabling the systick interrupt, do i have to disable the systick irq before stopping?
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2016-01-27T20:48:52 < mitrax> (well i don't do it explicitely but i just realized STcubeshit HAL_Init() does it)
2016-01-27T20:50:18 < zyp> pretty sure it'll be stopped as well
2016-01-27T20:52:55 < jpa-> it should stop automatically yeah
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2016-01-27T20:56:06 < mitrax> or maybe i'm reading the datasheet wrong, but it says 3µA from IDD + 2.5µA from IDDA in stop mode
2016-01-27T20:56:25 < mitrax> 150µA is way off
2016-01-27T20:59:02 < mitrax> ADC are off by default on startup right?
2016-01-27T20:59:57 < mitrax> nvm they are, ADC_CR default reset value 0x00000000
2016-01-27T21:04:38 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1453886819323.png
2016-01-27T21:05:15 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1453918413689.jpg
2016-01-27T21:16:59 < tecdroid> last one is a mounted pic
2016-01-27T21:47:46 < mitrax> jpa-/zyp: have you got F0s down to a few µA in stop mode? i'm starting to wonder if the chip is not damaged somehow
2016-01-27T21:51:38 < Steffanx> Not F0 but L1 closhish to 10uA iirc..
2016-01-27T21:57:59 < zyp> never messed with that
2016-01-27T21:58:20 < PaulFertser> mitrax: you can always reprogram via SWD with SRST pulled low by host.
2016-01-27T21:58:25 < PaulFertser> mitrax: no nee to cut boot0.
2016-01-27T22:01:27 < mitrax> PaulFertser: i thought i had that, my config file has reset_config srst_only srst_nogate
2016-01-27T22:02:01 < PaulFertser> mitrax: and to enable the actual srst pulling you'd need to add connect_assert_srst because it's not default to avoid messing with the target state unless absolutely necessary.
2016-01-27T22:02:21 < mitrax> duh, good to know
2016-01-27T22:02:33 < mitrax> thanks
2016-01-27T22:04:08 < mitrax> dinner, bbiab
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2016-01-27T23:33:08 < frajo> hi, i am trying to use DMA+ADC (circular mode) on my discovery board and that seems to work, but the TC and HT interrupts are never triggered, although i have set: "DMA_ITConfig(DMA2_Stream2, DMA_IT_HT | DMA_IT_TC, ENABLE);" do you know what i am doing wrong? code snippet: https://bpaste.net/show/0a91be0f8534
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2016-01-27T23:45:28 < zyp> frajo, have you tried enabling the interrupts before enabling the stream?
2016-01-27T23:45:41 < zyp> some configuration bits are locked when the stream is enabled
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2016-01-27T23:46:18 < zyp> I don't think that should apply to the interrupt enable bits, but try that anyway
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2016-01-27T23:49:37 < mitrax> do you think having flash prefetch buffer enabled could affect consumption in stop mode?
2016-01-27T23:49:54 < zyp> unlikely
2016-01-27T23:53:35 < mitrax> are L0 usually pin compatible with their F0 counterpart?
2016-01-27T23:55:19 < mitrax> looks like it
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2016-01-28T00:00:31 < frajo> oh seems like it is a different issue. it actually does MAX_ULTRASONIC_ADC_VALUES conversions and the interrupts are triggered. but then it does not continue to grab values.
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2016-01-28T00:12:44 < Taxman> mitrax: You work on your TSSOP20 chip again?
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2016-01-28T00:23:35 < ds2> DOH.. oops jumper 1
2016-01-28T00:27:53 < mitrax> taxman: yeah
2016-01-28T00:28:57 < kakimir> http://www.guru.com/jobs/electronic-device/1209808
2016-01-28T00:29:12 < kakimir> time to stuff some disco inside a teddy bear?
2016-01-28T00:29:53 < kakimir> btw. is speech syntesis yet within reach of cortex m3 class yield?
2016-01-28T00:30:17 < Taxman> mitrax: Nice complexity that fits in such a TSSOP20
2016-01-28T00:31:11 < mitrax> Taxman: yup :)
2016-01-28T00:31:14 < ds2> kakimir: Could be...it isn't too taxing on an ARM11
2016-01-28T00:31:50 < kakimir> we had crappy speech syntesis in 90's
2016-01-28T00:32:02 < kakimir> and it's crappy even todat
2016-01-28T00:32:04 < kakimir> today
2016-01-28T00:33:07 < artag> there is some pretty good speech synth but it tends to be $$$
2016-01-28T00:33:30 < kakimir> oh.. it's licenced
2016-01-28T00:33:35 < artag> learnaut & hauspie (spelling ?) comes to mind
2016-01-28T00:35:36 < artag> i think speech recognition is still very proprietary. siri, google, cortana have obviously taken a lot of work but I don't know how licensable those are
2016-01-28T00:36:13 < frajo> ah i got it working
2016-01-28T00:37:00 < artag> but the synth in things like gps navigation devices is pretty usable
2016-01-28T00:42:42 < mitrax> GAAAAH
2016-01-28T00:43:35 < mitrax> figured it out... i wasn't configuring some pins as analog input
2016-01-28T00:43:46 < mitrax> (pins that don't even exist on the package mind you)
2016-01-28T00:44:16 < mitrax> only did GPIOA / GPIOB / GPIOC, turns out there's no D, no E, but a GPIOF
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2016-01-28T00:48:33 < mitrax> sorry for the lengthy rubber duck debugging session... :) hopefully that may turn out useful for someone later on. I'll remember that one for sure
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2016-01-28T00:58:19 < kakimir> artag: what megacorporations do for themselfs is not for sale
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2016-01-28T01:00:10 < artag> yeah. they may be built on existing platforms though, and if they can do it, others may not be far behind with licensable technology
2016-01-28T01:15:27 < mitrax> yay 6µA
2016-01-28T01:17:21 < Sync> mitrax: yes, you can even use that to your advantage
2016-01-28T01:17:34 < Sync> like when you need to toggle a pin for some interrupt stuff
2016-01-28T01:17:44 < Sync> you can use pins that are on die but not bonded out
2016-01-28T01:17:47 < Sync> :D
2016-01-28T01:18:25 < kakimir> https://imgur.com/8P2kHZQ shitpost begings
2016-01-28T01:18:51 < Sync> old
2016-01-28T01:25:58 < mitrax> Sync: yup, but since there was no GPIOD i didn't look further :) my mistake
2016-01-28T01:26:04 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8CeSGlQQnM
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2016-01-28T02:11:11 < mtbg> hi
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2016-01-28T03:07:32 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjaySqJq9ks xfiles actually looks more legit I thought
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2016-01-28T04:09:57 < kakimir> in few years you can order silicon like you order pcb nowdays?
2016-01-28T04:10:45 < kakimir> throw them some .zip
2016-01-28T04:11:00 < kakimir> pay some hundred bucks
2016-01-28T04:11:21 < kakimir> receive 10chips in a letter next month
2016-01-28T04:14:16 < kakimir> mitrax: how did that sleep stop thing go?
2016-01-28T04:20:53 < Sync> also not a month turn
2016-01-28T04:21:54 < Sync> well, you can usually use standard cells from the fab
2016-01-28T04:21:59 < kakimir> true
2016-01-28T04:22:59 < Sync> that's true
2016-01-28T04:24:13 < kakimir> standard cell?
2016-01-28T04:25:23 < Sync> well, thankfully that is very simulatable
2016-01-28T04:25:29 < kakimir> why would I want to make my own amp
2016-01-28T04:25:37 < Sync> because why not
2016-01-28T04:26:16 < kakimir> you get pretty good ones of the shelf
2016-01-28T04:26:25 < kakimir> off the shelf*
2016-01-28T04:26:47 < Sync> your analog stuff is, mostly
2016-01-28T04:27:03 < Sync> and standard cells rarely fail
2016-01-28T04:29:20 < kakimir> what is standard cell?
2016-01-28T04:29:45 < kakimir> oh
2016-01-28T04:29:51 < kakimir> nice
2016-01-28T04:30:51 < Sync> well, it all depends on your chip size, for relatively uninvolved stuff you can simulate a lot
2016-01-28T04:31:07 < Sync> we had a good track record at the institute
2016-01-28T04:32:40 < Sync> yes
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2016-01-28T04:40:57 < ds2> hmmm pinlifting isn't as hard as it would seem
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2016-01-28T05:26:04 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/Design-PCB-Layout-from-Schematic/
2016-01-28T05:26:07 < dongs> haha
2016-01-28T05:26:15 < dongs> > Budget is around USD250
2016-01-28T05:26:21 < dongs> > 6 layers
2016-01-28T05:26:29 < dongs> > Track-Pad	3.937 mil	0.1mm
2016-01-28T05:26:29 < dongs> BGA Pad/Spacing	7.874/7.874 mil	0.2/0.2 mm
2016-01-28T05:26:39 < dongs> like, get the fuck out.
2016-01-28T05:28:09 < dongs> nice, they attached all teh source schematics
2016-01-28T05:28:11 < dongs> stealin~
2016-01-28T05:30:26 < dongs> omfg what is this colorscheme in their schematics
2016-01-28T05:31:56 < Sync> dongs: share
2016-01-28T05:32:56 < dongs> sync, you cant see them without login?
2016-01-28T05:33:23 < Sync> nope
2016-01-28T05:33:32 < dongs> sec
2016-01-28T05:35:05 < dongs> https://www.sendspace.com/file/0cvbzr
2016-01-28T05:35:05 < dongs> wtf
2016-01-28T05:35:08 < dongs> sendspace turned fucking jewish
2016-01-28T05:35:17 < dongs> some extra trash needed now to chat
2016-01-28T05:36:05 < Sync> smatphone schematic.rar
2016-01-28T05:36:08 < Sync> srs?!
2016-01-28T05:36:34 < dongs> haha what the fucking fuck @ that pcb layout
2016-01-28T05:36:36 < dongs> eddymodification.pcb
2016-01-28T05:37:10 < dongs> 3216[1206]
2016-01-28T05:37:12 < dongs> 1206 resistors
2016-01-28T05:37:14 < dongs> what the fuck!?
2016-01-28T05:37:29 < dongs> Sync: its atually called fucking SMATPHONE
2016-01-28T05:37:33 < dongs> they included some sales wank
2016-01-28T05:37:51 < Sync> ye
2016-01-28T05:38:05 < Sync> just dicking through it
2016-01-28T05:38:07 < Sync> wtf.
2016-01-28T05:38:45 < Sync> dat huge quicklaunch field
2016-01-28T05:38:54 < dongs> yeah its probly some facebook phone type thing
2016-01-28T05:39:26 < Sync> you should just autopenor it
2016-01-28T05:39:43 < dongs> haha
2016-01-28T05:40:03 < dongs> i am wondering who is the moron who populated all schematics with 1206 passives
2016-01-28T05:40:14 < dongs> AND ACTUALLY CONTINUED TRYING TO LAY IT OUT AFTERWARDS
2016-01-28T05:41:03 < Sync> lol 2100mAh battery
2016-01-28T05:43:54 < Sync> hm, the schematic does seem to make at least some sense
2016-01-28T05:45:46 < dongs> yeah schema is okay, except for the AWFUL cyan background
2016-01-28T05:46:17 < Sync> gotta keep the corporate identity up
2016-01-28T05:47:09 < dongs> LCD is really fucked up
2016-01-28T05:47:15 < dongs> 3 bits red, 5 bits blue/green?
2016-01-28T05:48:02 < Sync> yeah dunno wtf that is about
2016-01-28T05:48:13 < dongs> oh
2016-01-28T05:48:15 < dongs> he didnt conenct tem
2016-01-28T05:48:17 < Sync> look at the rerere rar
2016-01-28T05:48:20 < Sync> oh lul
2016-01-28T05:48:24 < Sync> what a cunt
2016-01-28T05:48:25 < dongs> SoC has R/G/B 6 bits for arll
2016-01-28T05:48:37 < dongs> err wat... no 565
2016-01-28T05:48:39 < dongs> yeah thats proper
2016-01-28T05:48:46 < dongs> 5 red / 6 green  /5 blue
2016-01-28T05:49:28 < Sync> 666 would be innovative
2016-01-28T05:49:53 < dongs> 565 is standard for cheap parallel rgb tho
2016-01-28T05:50:16 < Sync> ye
2016-01-28T05:54:12 < dongs> wtf who uses harness shit
2016-01-28T05:54:27 < dongs> is that like a cheap bus?
2016-01-28T05:54:34 < dongs> but with pins named differently?
2016-01-28T05:54:51 < dongs> i don't think 36.Pullup.sch will do what he wants
2016-01-28T05:55:14 < dongs> if that is literally 5 i2c buses that is
2016-01-28T05:55:22 < Sync> yes
2016-01-28T05:55:35 < Sync> there is a file that says to put pullups on all of them
2016-01-28T05:56:11 < dongs> haha
2016-01-28T05:56:14 < dongs> well, indian didnt get it
2016-01-28T05:56:34 < dongs> feelancer: race to the bottom
2016-01-28T05:57:12 < dongs> haha
2016-01-28T05:57:14 < dongs> sensors choice is dumb too
2016-01-28T05:57:21 < dongs> they coulda used LSM303 something wiht acc+mag in it
2016-01-28T05:57:30 < dongs> and then some standaloen gyro
2016-01-28T05:58:33 < Sync> what do they use, already closed that shit
2016-01-28T05:59:17 < dongs> LIS3DSH accel, LSM303DLHC mag, L3GD2H gyro
2016-01-28T05:59:19 < dongs> wasteful
2016-01-28T05:59:31 < dongs> wait what
2016-01-28T05:59:35 < dongs> that LSM does have acc
2016-01-28T05:59:38 < dongs> why the fuck do they have a separate one
2016-01-28T05:59:54 < dongs> NRND what
2016-01-28T05:59:56 < dongs> fucking ST
2016-01-28T06:00:09 < Sync> kek
2016-01-28T06:00:34 < Sync> dongs is now working on freedickr
2016-01-28T06:00:37 < dongs> ah i guess LSM303D is the proper one
2016-01-28T06:00:44 < dongs> which is what I used I think
2016-01-28T06:00:55 < dongs> dlhc shit is probly old
2016-01-28T06:01:53 < dongs> http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/resource/technical/document/datasheet/DM00089896.pdf haha wow 2x2mm
2016-01-28T06:02:23 < dongs> hmm still 0.5mm pitch
2016-01-28T06:02:24 < dongs> not bad
2016-01-28T06:03:18 < dongs> haha they're typing all the interrupt lines from al lsensors into a single line
2016-01-28T06:03:23 < dongs> yeah this schematic is shitheap
2016-01-28T06:03:30 < dongs> tying
2016-01-28T06:09:13 < dongs> yes, garbage ST site
2016-01-28T06:10:51 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://i.imgur.com/adHYUuc.gif
2016-01-28T06:13:11 < dongs> its honeywell mag die, i htink its 100 or 200hz
2016-01-28T06:13:15 < dongs> hmc5983
2016-01-28T06:14:05 < upgrdman> :(
2016-01-28T06:17:23 < upgrdman> R2COM, dongs, http://i.imgur.com/DinJPMm.gifv
2016-01-28T06:18:35 < upgrdman> tempting, but no
2016-01-28T06:18:59 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZc57_sVvaM&feature=youtu.be
2016-01-28T06:26:33 < upgrdman> found kakimir. nsfw   http://gfycat.com/FrankDifferentAndeancockoftherock
2016-01-28T06:29:44 < dongs> old
2016-01-28T06:29:47 < dongs> saw this this morning
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2016-01-28T06:34:15 < upgrdman> wtf  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG2ONPsA418
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2016-01-28T06:54:22 < dongs> fucktastic! documents
2016-01-28T06:54:29 < dongs> why does altium even have a gerber viewer
2016-01-28T06:54:34 < dongs> if it sucks SO FUCKIGN BAD
2016-01-28T06:54:54 < englishman> how is orcads
2016-01-28T06:55:04 < dongs> haha i dont htink it has one
2016-01-28T06:55:08 < dongs> not pro enough
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2016-01-28T06:56:23 < emeb_mac> just use gerbv. :)
2016-01-28T06:56:44 < dongs> does it even support gerber X2 yet
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2016-01-28T07:09:59 < jpa-> mitrax: for what it's worth, here in rtc_sleep() is what i do to enter the stop mode on STM32L1  https://svn.kapsi.fi/jpa/doglight2/sw/src/stm32l_rtc.c
2016-01-28T07:10:34 < jpa-> IIRC the __sync_synchronize(); was necessary to make sure the SLEEPDEEP bit is set in time for wfe
2016-01-28T07:35:49 < ds2> maybe the 1206 is to make sure it can handle the sheer POWER
2016-01-28T07:35:52 < ds2> :D
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2016-01-28T08:54:05  * jadew upgraded his PC with a SSD
2016-01-28T08:54:20 < jadew> and windows 10 - doesn't feel like an upgrade tho
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2016-01-28T09:26:24 < dongs> felt like upgrade to me
2016-01-28T09:26:28 < dongs> everything so awesome now
2016-01-28T09:33:13 < jadew> I'm not too happy with the default white caption
2016-01-28T09:33:20 < dongs> er, did  you install 1511
2016-01-28T09:33:21 < jadew> I changed it, but some applications still have that
2016-01-28T09:33:33 < jadew> what's that?
2016-01-28T09:34:25 < dongs> en_windows_10_n_multiple_editions_version_1511_x64_dvd_7223830.iso
2016-01-28T09:34:29 < dongs> err , not 10 n
2016-01-28T09:34:38 < dongs> but _version_1511 is what you shoulda installed
2016-01-28T09:34:43 < dongs> that added changing titlebar colors back
2016-01-28T09:34:47 < dongs> that tehy removed in original release for some reason
2016-01-28T09:35:19 < jadew> well, I was able to set the color for the title bar + the task bar
2016-01-28T09:35:50 < jadew> but I think the only reason they went for white as the default is because some of the applications have that hardcoded
2016-01-28T09:35:54 < jadew> the universal apps
2016-01-28T09:36:46 < jadew> for example if you open settings up
2016-01-28T09:36:54 < dongs> yeah uiniversal is aids
2016-01-28T09:36:58 < dongs> dont use anything from tehre anyway.
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2016-01-28T09:38:20 < jadew> also the search feature is not fully implemented
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2016-01-28T09:38:29 < jadew> the one in W7 worked nicer
2016-01-28T09:38:49 < jadew> for example, if you search for something and try to drag it on the desktop, it won't work
2016-01-28T09:39:06 < jadew> those items there are not represnting the actual files/shortcuts
2016-01-28T09:41:51 < jadew> and I have to customize those live tiles, every time I hit start I see the face of a serial killer that recently confesed of killing some girl
2016-01-28T09:49:29 < dongs> er wat
2016-01-28T09:49:42 < dongs> about search
2016-01-28T09:49:44 < dongs> wat are you talking about
2016-01-28T09:49:45 < dongs> which search?
2016-01-28T09:50:18 < jadew> when you go to start and type something
2016-01-28T09:50:56 < dongs> yeah? and what? what are yo utrying to do wiht it
2016-01-28T09:51:15 < dongs> start->typesomeshit->enter
2016-01-28T09:51:24 < dongs> or typesomeshit + arrows a couple times if you see it wihtout typing more hsit, enter
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2016-01-28T09:55:24 < jadew> yeah, that's not the issue
2016-01-28T09:55:39 < jadew> I'm talking about the fact that those items there (the search results) don't behave as files
2016-01-28T09:55:46 < dongs> Hi % ToName%,
2016-01-28T09:55:46 < dongs> We will have holiday from Feb 5th to Feb 14th. Hope we can support you better in 2016.
2016-01-28T09:55:50 < dongs> lazy chinks
2016-01-28T09:55:55 < dongs> jadew, why the FUCK WOULD THEY
2016-01-28T09:56:02 < dongs> what do you want to do wiht them that files dont do?
2016-01-28T09:56:04 < jadew> dongs, because that's what they are
2016-01-28T09:56:17 < jadew> I want to create shortcuts for example
2016-01-28T09:56:25 < dongs> ....
2016-01-28T09:56:26 < jadew> if I want to drag one on the desktop, it won't work
2016-01-28T09:56:32 < dongs> its 2016 bro
2016-01-28T09:56:39 < dongs> you dont ne ed anything on deesktop
2016-01-28T09:56:47 < jadew> heh
2016-01-28T09:56:57 < dongs> if its a fucking app, you can rightclick it, and pin to start/taskbar
2016-01-28T09:57:03 < dongs> if its a document, you can rightclick->open location
2016-01-28T09:57:10 < dongs> or just fucking type it + run it
2016-01-28T09:57:15 < dongs> i see absolutely no reason for it to be on desktop
2016-01-28T09:57:24 < dongs> did you know you can pin folders to explorer button?
2016-01-28T09:57:26 < dongs> on taskbar
2016-01-28T09:57:33 < dongs> so you can have a list of recent folders you can access ANYWEHRE
2016-01-28T09:57:38 < dongs> instead of having to clear all the open shit to get to desktop
2016-01-28T09:58:00 < jadew> yeah, w7 had that too
2016-01-28T09:58:04 < dongs> right
2016-01-28T09:58:07 < dongs> so wehre's the problem?
2016-01-28T09:58:23 < jadew> ok, I just installed a bunch of stuff
2016-01-28T09:58:31 < jadew> now, I want some of that on my desktop
2016-01-28T09:58:35 < jadew> VS, IRC, whatever
2016-01-28T09:58:38 < dongs> ???????????
2016-01-28T09:58:45 < dongs> pin it to tile menu
2016-01-28T09:58:48 < dongs> thats waht its there for
2016-01-28T09:58:57 < dongs> with the added benefit that YOU DONT NEED TO FUCKING WASTE TIME TO GET TO IT
2016-01-28T09:58:59 < dongs> start->click
2016-01-28T09:58:59 < jadew> ah
2016-01-28T09:59:01 < dongs> done
2016-01-28T09:59:06 < jadew> good point
2016-01-28T09:59:11 < jadew> I'll have to get used to that
2016-01-28T09:59:27 < dongs> also while youre tehre make tile menu fullscreen
2016-01-28T09:59:44 < dongs> instead of that castrated start menu attempt
2016-01-28T10:00:02 < jadew> how do you make it full screen?
2016-01-28T10:00:19 < dongs> tehy fucking keep moving it
2016-01-28T10:00:57 < dongs> universal settings app -> search start menu
2016-01-28T10:01:03 < dongs> 'use start full screen' -> on
2016-01-28T10:04:09 < emeryth> haha they are using those gigadong32 chips: http://ifixit.org/blog/7821/swagway-teardown-hoverboards/
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2016-01-28T10:06:44 < jadew> dongs, I like the most used list
2016-01-28T10:07:35 < aandrew> lol gigadong
2016-01-28T10:09:43 < dongs> jadew: whats that
2016-01-28T10:10:25 < dongs> oh wow
2016-01-28T10:10:29 < dongs> gigadong AND cloned invensense
2016-01-28T10:10:29 < dongs> lol
2016-01-28T10:10:34 < dongs> those guys are pro as fuck
2016-01-28T10:10:47 < jadew> dongs, that list of applications that you lose when you enable full screen for tiles
2016-01-28T10:11:07 < dongs> jadew: i guess i never gave enough fuck to see it
2016-01-28T10:15:43 < dongs> i need to resolve the problem with activating this piece of shit.
2016-01-28T10:15:53 < dongs> need to pop in old ssd and upgrade 8 to 10
2016-01-28T10:16:04 < dongs> to get a legit activation DRM thingy installed.
2016-01-28T10:16:05 < jadew> I just bought a license off of ebay
2016-01-28T10:16:09 < jadew> 11 pounds
2016-01-28T10:16:10 < dongs> for 10?
2016-01-28T10:16:11 < dongs> oh shit.
2016-01-28T10:16:12 < jadew> yeah
2016-01-28T10:16:13 < dongs> i didnt thikn of that
2016-01-28T10:16:49 < dongs> Item location:
2016-01-28T10:16:49 < dongs> Faisalabad, Punjab, Pakistan
2016-01-28T10:16:54 < dongs> looks legit
2016-01-28T10:16:59 < jadew> heh
2016-01-28T10:17:00 < dongs> does the shithead you bought from have another?
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2016-01-28T10:17:10 < jadew> he sold 500 something
2016-01-28T10:17:12 < dongs> haha
2016-01-28T10:17:13 < jadew> let me find it
2016-01-28T10:17:39 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/231827758157
2016-01-28T10:18:02 < jadew> hold on
2016-01-28T10:18:02 < dongs> did they actually ship you a fucking sticker tho
2016-01-28T10:18:18 < jadew> no, they sent it by e-mail
2016-01-28T10:18:20 < dongs> oh
2016-01-28T10:18:28 < dongs> cuz i thought ebay has somse shit about physical delivery
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2016-01-28T10:19:37 < jadew> hold on a sec, I don't remember my ebay password
2016-01-28T10:20:21 < dongs> dont you have emails from them
2016-01-28T10:20:24 < dongs> "you bought t rash"
2016-01-28T10:20:29 < jadew> oh, right
2016-01-28T10:20:49 < jadew> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Windows-10-Professional-Pro-32-64-bit-license-key-Retail-version-MULTILANGUAGE-/331748839800?
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2016-01-28T10:20:57 < dongs> sweet
2016-01-28T10:20:57 < dongs> buying.
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2016-01-28T10:27:21 < bilboquet_> sorry but what is the good capacitor value for VBAT (pin 1) . he seemed to have seen 100nF in datasheet but i see 1uF in nucleo shematic ?
2016-01-28T10:29:04 < dongs> are you even using it?
2016-01-28T10:30:03 < dongs> if you dont have a battery connected, just leave it NC.
2016-01-28T10:30:11 < zyp> I think I used 220mF
2016-01-28T10:30:12 < zyp> :)
2016-01-28T10:30:16 < dongs> HEH
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2016-01-28T10:32:17 < bilboquet_> ok, i'll just put a capacitor :)
2016-01-28T10:32:25 < dongs> bilboquet_: do you have a battery?
2016-01-28T10:32:45 < bilboquet_> yes li ion with TPS.... ;)
2016-01-28T10:32:57 < zyp> to feed vbat, or vcc?
2016-01-28T10:33:24 < zyp> vbat is only ever used when there's no power on vcc
2016-01-28T10:33:32 < zyp> to keep rtc running
2016-01-28T10:34:07 < bilboquet_> i've no rtc !
2016-01-28T10:34:18 < zyp> if you don't have a separate backup power source for vbat, there's no point in connecting anything to vbat
2016-01-28T10:35:05 < bilboquet_> it seemed he advise me to do it anyway in the datasheet ?
2016-01-28T10:35:16 < zyp> which chip is this?
2016-01-28T10:35:26 < bilboquet_> f411CE
2016-01-28T10:36:02 < bilboquet_> I expect my pcb. my first :)
2016-01-28T10:36:02 < dongs> dont even connect vbat then
2016-01-28T10:36:14 < zyp> what dongs said
2016-01-28T10:36:34 < bilboquet_> cool, for the version 0.02
2016-01-28T10:36:39 < zyp> there's an internal power switch that feeds backup domain from vcc when vcc is available
2016-01-28T10:37:20 < zyp> so if you hook them to the same supply, vbat will never be used
2016-01-28T10:38:12 < zyp> the only time I've connected vbat to anything, I had a 220mF supercap to keep the rtc running for a few days during power loss
2016-01-28T10:39:31 < bilboquet_> and do you connect unused pin to ground or vcc ?
2016-01-28T10:39:56 < zyp> no
2016-01-28T10:40:34 < dongs> no you just dont use it at all
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2016-01-28T10:50:34 < zyp> dongs, what's a nice small boost reg?
2016-01-28T10:51:08 < dongs> boost only? when I needed them "smalL" wasnt requirement
2016-01-28T10:51:13 < dongs> so i just have some generic so8 stuff.
2016-01-28T10:51:18 < dongs> didnt look into sot23 stuff.
2016-01-28T10:52:11 < jadew> dongs, this is what I meant about the killer: http://dumb.ro/files/start_menu.png
2016-01-28T10:52:15 < zyp> I'm thinking total area, just not reg chip
2016-01-28T10:52:21 < zyp> few parts
2016-01-28T10:52:30 < zyp> also cheap
2016-01-28T10:52:44 < bilboquet_> dong you should use a ADP2503 or TPS63001 :)
2016-01-28T10:54:30 < dongs> i used this PAM242x garbage last time
2016-01-28T10:54:46 < dongs> 520kHz
2016-01-28T10:54:49 < dongs> so coil isnt exactly small
2016-01-28T10:55:03 < dongs> but I think it was cheap as ss hit
2016-01-28T10:55:28 < crt> @ 520kHz? how small did you want it to be?!
2016-01-28T10:55:31 < dongs> hm .80c not so many
2016-01-28T10:55:38 < dongs> er not so cheap
2016-01-28T10:55:54 < dongs> crt: i was hoping 1.5MHz or something
2016-01-28T10:56:12 < crt> i see.
2016-01-28T10:56:28 < zyp> wtf is a cuk regulator
2016-01-28T10:56:36 < dongs> kuk regulator
2016-01-28T10:56:55 < crt> chook regulator
2016-01-28T10:56:57 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%86uk_converter
2016-01-28T10:57:03 < crt> that's how its pronounced apparently.
2016-01-28T10:57:58 < crt> iirc national semi had a little 1.4mhz one ages ago
2016-01-28T11:03:30 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6HYI_7GvbY
2016-01-28T11:05:44 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/b6MRnWJ.jpg < WORST inductor
2016-01-28T11:08:57 < zyp> haha, that's huge as fuck
2016-01-28T11:09:18 < dongs> ya its thier evalboard
2016-01-28T11:09:22 < dongs>  I used 6040 inductor
2016-01-28T11:09:27 < dongs> or 8040
2016-01-28T11:10:02 < qyx> I used some tpsxxxx thing in son10
2016-01-28T11:10:08 < qyx> 3225 inductor
2016-01-28T11:10:45 < zyp> I just need a couple of small shits
2016-01-28T11:10:48 < zyp> like for the oled
2016-01-28T11:10:53 < qyx> but was not that cheap
2016-01-28T11:11:41 < crt> time for a coffee
2016-01-28T11:12:30 < PeterM> depending on needs sometimes you can series+paralul for lower profile
2016-01-28T11:14:17 < dongs> qyx, ohh
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2016-01-28T11:22:22 < qyx> http://i.imgur.com/5xGweZC.jpg
2016-01-28T11:22:34 < qyx> but unpopulated
2016-01-28T11:23:05 < qyx> and still huge, I had to use parallel 1206 caps
2016-01-28T11:23:07 < dongs> such china pcb wow
2016-01-28T11:23:13 < qyx> otherwise the radio was unhappy
2016-01-28T11:23:23 < dongs> qyx, is that a boost tho?
2016-01-28T11:23:48 < qyx> buck and boost
2016-01-28T11:23:55 < qyx> the boost is unpopulated
2016-01-28T11:25:04 < crt> nice one
2016-01-28T11:25:39 < qyx> http://qyx.krtko.org/projects/qnode4/img/sch1.png
2016-01-28T11:25:41 < qyx> foudn schematic
2016-01-28T11:26:13 < dongs> o yeah i remember that awful kikecad-like thing drawing
2016-01-28T11:26:33 < qyx> the combination of tps61200 and mcp73831 turned out to be not-quite-functional
2016-01-28T11:26:35 < crt> kikecad - i like this guy.
2016-01-28T11:27:00 < qyx> one of the tps61200 pins cannot be tied to ground, PS i think
2016-01-28T11:27:58 < PeterM> does stm32 approve of oglaf?
2016-01-28T11:29:08 < dongs> qyx, isnt that one of hte pins that detrmines operating mode or frequency or osmehring
2016-01-28T11:29:22 < mitrax> jpa-: thanks, not sure if you read the backlog but i figured the culprit
2016-01-28T11:30:04 < qyx> dongs: it was for selecting what to do if the switcher cannot keep the output regulated
2016-01-28T11:30:24 < qyx> it can either shutdown and restart or accept the output to be lower than expected
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2016-01-28T11:35:17 < qyx> I can't find it in the datasheet :S
2016-01-28T11:42:28 < crt> well if they don't know where it is.....
2016-01-28T11:48:49 < karlp> PeterM: Im enjoying your daily italodisco thanks :)
2016-01-28T11:49:37 < karlp> zyp: how high do you need to boost?
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2016-01-28T11:59:09 < zyp> 12V-ish
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2016-01-28T12:03:17 < dongs> yay, windows is activated
2016-01-28T12:03:18 < dongs> pro
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2016-01-28T12:11:40 < bilboquet_>  tps61200 and mcp73831 turned out to be not-quite-functional ! I'm scared suddenly :)
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2016-01-28T12:19:53 < bilboquet_> http://i.imgur.com/nZ2EcZ3.png this is my footprint, I added some barrier, don't know if it's useful.
2016-01-28T12:21:22 < bilboquet_> and my inductor http://fr.farnell.com/tdk/vlf4012at-2r2m1r5/inductance-ligne-puis-2-2uh-1/dp/1670126
2016-01-28T12:22:27 < bilboquet_> I soon know if that works
2016-01-28T12:25:14 < qyx> wat, is that dual layer or more?
2016-01-28T12:25:45 < bilboquet_> 4 layers one vcc and one gnd
2016-01-28T12:26:04 < bilboquet_> i'll try 2 layer later
2016-01-28T12:30:30 < karlp> bilboquet_: this is your first pcb you were saying?
2016-01-28T12:32:48 < bilboquet_> yes first normal pcb. before i only do 1 layer with cnc machin ( linux cnc, kicad, and pcb2gcode(voronoi))
2016-01-28T12:39:56 < bilboquet_> and many zero ohms resistors :)
2016-01-28T12:40:02 < PeterM> karlp, thanks
2016-01-28T12:40:07 < PeterM> it's funky shit
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2016-01-28T12:59:27 < dongs> http://www.mitsubishielectric.com/news/2016/0127.html
2016-01-28T12:59:27 < dongs> wat
2016-01-28T13:00:21 < crt> okay mitsubishi... ...
2016-01-28T13:03:14 < dongs> < bilboquet_> http://i.imgur.com/nZ2EcZ3.png
2016-01-28T13:03:16 < dongs> this looks like kikecad
2016-01-28T13:04:21 < dongs> hm. china doesnt have any M-keyed M2 sockets
2016-01-28T13:04:23 < karlp> wow, that mitsubishi antenna is fucking wild
2016-01-28T13:04:32 < dongs> karlp: japs are super pro
2016-01-28T13:05:52 < PeterM> karlp, im genuinely surprised someone hasnt done it already
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2016-01-28T13:18:20 < dongs> Fox Home Entertainment issues exchange program for Season 8 of 'The X-Files' due to incorrect black levels on every episode.
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2016-01-28T13:24:39 < bilboquet_> dongs, what do you mean by M-keyed M2 sockets ? the inductor ?
2016-01-28T13:25:35 < bilboquet_> a tps  module ?
2016-01-28T13:26:54 < dongs> unrelated to your pic
2016-01-28T13:27:03 < bilboquet_> sorry
2016-01-28T13:27:03 < dongs> im just bloggin'
2016-01-28T13:33:06 < qyx> lol that antenna
2016-01-28T13:36:16 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/smart-drone/
2016-01-28T13:39:45 < crt> ivan's back, fuck!
2016-01-28T13:39:59 < dongs> yes, ivan moved to india
2016-01-28T13:40:24 < dongs> to innovate super hard
2016-01-28T13:41:13 < Sync> to sell his pro military drones to the indian army
2016-01-28T13:42:20 < crt> :]
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2016-01-28T13:57:42 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/pol/src/1453911921724.jpg
2016-01-28T14:06:51 < dongs> mfkr
2016-01-28T14:07:08 < dongs> cant fit 10 lanes of this shit on a single edge of M.2 connector either
2016-01-28T14:07:14 < dongs> if I do it properly and interleave grounds
2016-01-28T14:07:16 < dongs> siiiiiiiigh
2016-01-28T14:07:56 < dongs> one fucking pin missing
2016-01-28T14:08:02  * crt nods
2016-01-28T14:08:07 < karlp> have some spell check instead: http://imgur.com/LnKDx4X
2016-01-28T14:08:33 < dongs> change AVR to DEAD more like
2016-01-28T14:09:04 < karlp> old AVR product is getting some CE testing done. watchdog isn't resetting when I need it :(
2016-01-28T14:09:54 < dongs> old pcb worked without gnd interleaving;
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2016-01-28T14:09:57 < dongs> just going to fucking do it that way.
2016-01-28T14:10:02 < dongs> like a super pro
2016-01-28T14:10:29 < crt> better for emc right
2016-01-28T14:10:41 < dongs> ya who gives a shit
2016-01-28T14:10:46 < crt> yeah fuck that
2016-01-28T14:11:00 < crt> just smash em out like china, on aliexpress
2016-01-28T14:11:10 < dongs> before it was 8gbps of shit over DF12 connector and it worked
2016-01-28T14:11:17 < crt> ^_^
2016-01-28T14:11:18 < dongs> but DF12 is a cunt to get soldered properly
2016-01-28T14:11:40 < crt> oh nice, i see
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2016-01-28T14:33:47 < dongs> http://vocore.io/
2016-01-28T14:33:48 < dongs> nice slogan
2016-01-28T14:34:04 < dongs> more IoTs easier more like make IdIoTs easier
2016-01-28T14:35:42 < dongs> https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8613/15697349559_ce39aae270_k.jpg Lol
2016-01-28T14:35:54 < dongs> ^ attn zyp
2016-01-28T14:37:42 < kakimir> whar is goin on?
2016-01-28T14:37:48 < dongs> eagle is going on
2016-01-28T14:38:07 < kakimir> is that made by zyp?
2016-01-28T14:38:16 < dongs> no, hes not a retard
2016-01-28T14:38:48 < kakimir> what is thät?
2016-01-28T14:38:48 < dongs> and prety sure he doesnt use eagle
2016-01-28T14:39:05 < dongs> kakimiretard: did you see me going "attn kakimir" after that pic?
2016-01-28T14:39:09 < dongs> i clearly said: ATTN ZYP
2016-01-28T14:45:48 < kakimir> sorry
2016-01-28T14:46:06 < karlp> vocore's still too expensive
2016-01-28T14:46:14 < kakimir> I need to play some csgo>
2016-01-28T14:46:22 < Laurenceb_> embedded lunix sucks
2016-01-28T14:46:43 < dongs> < Laurenceb_> lunix sucks
2016-01-28T14:46:45 < dongs> ftfy
2016-01-28T14:46:45 < karlp> dongs: is that for hacking on sfp's via i2c pins or someshit?
2016-01-28T14:46:56 < karlp> enable leet super fast plus mode!
2016-01-28T14:47:09 < dongs> about the only thing its useful for
2016-01-28T14:47:11 < dongs> wiht that kinda layout
2016-01-28T14:48:21 < jpa-> is there a way in openocd to select which of multiple connected stlink to use?
2016-01-28T14:48:56 < karlp> hla_serial
2016-01-28T14:49:11 < jpa-> ok, how do i use that? :D
2016-01-28T14:49:29 < karlp> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/blob/master/tests/gadget-zero/openocd.stm32f4disco.cfg#L6
2016-01-28T14:49:40 < karlp> the sucky bit is getting into a format that it accepts
2016-01-28T14:50:01 < dongs> by serial number
2016-01-28T14:50:03 < karlp> you basically need to run openocd -d3 and grab what it outputs and reformat and hack on it.
2016-01-28T14:50:06 < jpa-> looks like perl :)
2016-01-28T14:50:14 < karlp> unless you're lukcy enough to have newer stlinks that have sane serial numbers
2016-01-28T14:50:29 < karlp> all the stlinkv2.1 you can just do lsusb | grep iSerial and copy/paste no problem
2016-01-28T14:50:42 < dongs> oh the old ones used binary serial?
2016-01-28T14:50:45 < dongs> but new shit is ascii?
2016-01-28T14:50:49 < karlp> but all the older ones have garbage shit that won't print and that everyone disagrees on how to pseudo print
2016-01-28T14:50:54 < dongs> lo'
2016-01-28T14:51:04 < karlp> dongs: yeah, new shit is numerical ascii, like they're meant to
2016-01-28T14:51:15 < karlp> iSerial is _meant_ to be a usb string, not binary data.
2016-01-28T14:51:50 < karlp> but, when you get the right incantations of tcl, it works well for haivng multiple stlinks connected :)
2016-01-28T14:53:07 < jpa-> karlp: ah, well i happen to have stlinkv2.1 indeed :)
2016-01-28T14:53:35 < karlp> hla_serial works for ti ICDI stuff too apparently, like anyone uses that ;)
2016-01-28T14:55:04 < jpa-> karlp: got it working, thanks!
2016-01-28T14:55:43 < karlp> how does one google search for ".well-known" I can't seem to convince it to not remove the important syntax
2016-01-28T14:57:17 < dongs> you cant search for . in gooogle shit for ages
2016-01-28T14:57:19 < dongs> try some codesearch site?
2016-01-28T14:57:21 < dongs> what is it for
2016-01-28T14:58:02 < dongs> https://code.openhub.net/search?s=.well-known seems to have hits
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2016-01-28T15:00:11 < karlp> yeah, I know I can find this one, just fucking tedious trying to search google for anything with syntax these days.
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2016-01-28T15:04:32 < mitrax> karlp: is there a command line switch / configuration option to have openocd keep looking for a target on startup? (as it does when you unplug the target and it retries every N seconds)
2016-01-28T15:05:23 < karlp> no, I saw your query on the openocd channel, seems like a useful enough feature though.
2016-01-28T15:05:50 < karlp> but you can do while true; do openocd -f blah || sleep 5; done pretty easily.
2016-01-28T15:06:30 < mitrax> that's what i do atm :) but i wondered if there was a switch i wasn't aware of
2016-01-28T15:14:12 < mitrax> damn my desk turn into such a mess whenever i debug a board, shit everywhere, glad i don't do that everyday
2016-01-28T15:28:29 < dongs> welcome to my desk everyday
2016-01-28T15:29:04 < mitrax> eheh
2016-01-28T15:31:23 < tkoskine> My desk once: https://www.flickr.com/photos/terokoskinen/9411852972/
2016-01-28T15:32:33 < tkoskine> Some of the cables were too short, so the board had to be in the air.
2016-01-28T15:34:45 < mitrax> ahah
2016-01-28T16:39:40 < Taxman> you further debug your tssop20?
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2016-01-28T16:57:59 < mitrax> Taxman: sorry was afk, yeah i finally got it to 6µA in stop mode
2016-01-28T17:00:33 < mitrax> Taxman: i didn't pay attention to the fact that there was a GPIOF (there's no GPIOD nor GPIOE), the circuitry for that port is on the die, but not on the TSSOP20. I wasn't configuring GPIOF pins to analog input and that's what caused the extra 150µA
2016-01-28T17:02:29 < jpa-> mitrax: ah, i think i've been bitten by that also
2016-01-28T17:02:30 < Taxman> hehe ok, strange
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2016-01-28T17:03:00 < Taxman> mitrax: The tssop20 is so funny, i already created a library device in my eda
2016-01-28T17:05:05 < mitrax> jpa-: i was about to give up and then i saw the GPIOF when looking at the block diagram :)
2016-01-28T17:06:13 < mitrax> Taxman: if you like tiny packages they're releasing F0 in WLCSP25 :)
2016-01-28T17:07:09 < mitrax> 2.05 mm x 2.05 mm x 0.47 mm
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2016-01-28T17:43:22 < Taxman> mitrax: This does not fit to my low-standard 2 layer specs ;)
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2016-01-28T18:13:36 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/HevBFYH.png
2016-01-28T18:14:12 < Rob235> haha
2016-01-28T18:15:30 < Sync> rekt
2016-01-28T18:16:20 < Rob235> take the test dongs
2016-01-28T18:18:02 < dongs> i'll fail it
2016-01-28T18:18:04 < ReadError> http://aspergersquiz.com/
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2016-01-28T18:31:03 < kakimir> how much packet loss is 9/5000
2016-01-28T18:31:13 < kakimir> ping
2016-01-28T18:31:33 < kakimir> it rounds down to 0%
2016-01-28T18:31:42 < kakimir> but I assumed to have 0/5000
2016-01-28T18:41:16 < Lux> 0.18%
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2016-01-28T18:41:20 < Lux> integer rounding
2016-01-28T18:41:35 < kakimir> if I leave ping on for a night
2016-01-28T18:41:47 < kakimir> to some service
2016-01-28T18:42:12 < kakimir> will their servers eventually block my address?
2016-01-28T18:43:11 < kakimir> I think enterprise ethernet cards have hw ping response
2016-01-28T18:43:38 < kakimir> so it really doesn't matter to have thousands of pings going
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2016-01-28T18:47:17 < Lux> dunno, but if you are on a consumer line i'd expect some loss
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2016-01-28T20:38:28 < ReadError> Troll.Hunters.720p.HDTV.x264-C4TV
2016-01-28T20:38:31 < ReadError> Laurenceb_
2016-01-28T20:39:51 < Laurenceb_> cp_loli.mp4
2016-01-28T20:48:10 < Steffanx> Search results for "Troll.Hunters.720p.HDTV.x264-C4TV"
2016-01-28T20:49:23 < Steffanx> oh norski horror
2016-01-28T20:51:13 < Laurenceb_> A 19-year-old in Melbourne is charged with allegedly planning to mount an explosive on a kangaroo, paint it with an Islamic State symbol and “set it loose” on police officers during Anzac Day in April 2015, local media report.
2016-01-28T20:51:29 < Steffanx> 2015.
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2016-01-28T21:11:15 < upgrdman_> wtf is anzac day
2016-01-28T21:22:07 < artag> something like remembrance sunday I think
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2016-01-28T21:26:58 < ReadError> Steffanx its about internet trolls in the UK lol
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2016-01-28T23:18:07 < bilboquet_> That's funny, there is only pid for stm32f407. linux usb.ids -> http://i.imgur.com/cQkbHL1.png
2016-01-28T23:22:46 < Rob235> for a copter, how do you adjust motor inputs based on the current voltage?
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2016-01-28T23:32:10 < bilboquet_> I think it depends motor. but PWM is not the case ?
2016-01-28T23:33:15 < Rob235> yea but whats the equation to adjust the value I send to the ESC
2016-01-28T23:33:31 < bilboquet_> :)
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2016-01-28T23:36:53 < Rob235> actually thats probably pretty straight forward? say I want half throttle and battery is at 5v, if it drops to 4.7 can you just do something like: 50% + (50% * 0.3v) = 65%?
2016-01-28T23:37:34 < qyx> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/CPlusPlus-Programming/Arduino-program-find-access-point/
2016-01-28T23:37:37 < qyx> lol
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2016-01-28T23:56:21 < Rob235> do ESCs adjust for dropping battery voltage or is it handled in code
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2016-01-29T00:06:47 < upgrdman_> no
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2016-01-29T00:07:04 < upgrdman_> if you ask for 50% throttle, it just gives half of what's available
2016-01-29T00:07:16 < upgrdman_> so half throttle is weaker when the battery is low
2016-01-29T00:07:54 < Rob235> after some research it seems no one adjust for it, thats weird, I had always assumed thats what was done
2016-01-29T00:09:20 < Rob235> ahh its probably because of the discharge curve of the batteries, not really worth it
2016-01-29T00:09:22 < upgrdman_> how would you
2016-01-29T00:09:26 < Rob235> not linear
2016-01-29T00:09:32 < upgrdman_> you dont know what the theoretial max battery voltage is
2016-01-29T00:09:45 < upgrdman_> some customer might use a 3S LiPo, someone else a 4S, etc.
2016-01-29T00:09:59 < Lux> you can measure that easily
2016-01-29T00:10:07 < Lux> 3s and 4s doesn't overlap
2016-01-29T00:10:23 < upgrdman_> they do when people drain their batteries
2016-01-29T00:10:37 < upgrdman_> a 4S should never go below 12V... but people are idiots
2016-01-29T00:10:42 < upgrdman_> and they DO overlap
2016-01-29T00:10:51 < Lux> yeah screw those guys ;)
2016-01-29T00:10:58 < upgrdman_> 3S -> 9V to 12.6V
2016-01-29T00:11:10 < upgrdman_> 4S -> 12V to 16.8V
2016-01-29T00:11:49 < upgrdman_> you could go all elaborate are check the voltage under a known load, to detect a drained 4S versus a fresh 3S
2016-01-29T00:11:55 < upgrdman_> but fuck that, no one cares.
2016-01-29T00:12:44 < Lux> the cutoff is a bit higher, more like 3,3V unless you want to kill your lipos
2016-01-29T00:12:59 < upgrdman_> 3.3 is usually the "soft" cut off
2016-01-29T00:13:08 < upgrdman_> 2.9 - 3.0 is usually the "hard" cut off
2016-01-29T00:13:28 < upgrdman_> and go watch the RC idiots
2016-01-29T00:13:36 < Lux> pff
2016-01-29T00:13:44 < Lux> nitpicking
2016-01-29T00:13:47 < upgrdman_> "my battery is getting low... better keep driving or flying until it completely fucking stops."
2016-01-29T00:14:14 < Lux> those are also the guys that get less than 50 cycles out of a battery
2016-01-29T00:14:27 < upgrdman_> which is the majority of the idiots in RC
2016-01-29T00:14:35 < upgrdman_> i used to work in that industry.
2016-01-29T00:14:42 < upgrdman_> SO MANY FUCKING IDIOTS
2016-01-29T00:14:47 < upgrdman_> customers AND employees
2016-01-29T00:14:48 < Lux> :))
2016-01-29T00:15:44 < Lux> i kinda get your point, the guys i know from RC locally definetly aren't smart in that regard either
2016-01-29T00:15:49 < upgrdman_> and if you pay attention at the field/track/online forums, the smart ones get ignored.
2016-01-29T00:17:06 < Lux> yep, sadly that's often the case
2016-01-29T00:17:40 < upgrdman_> and if you aren't dumb, good lucking finding quality reviews of RC products.
2016-01-29T00:17:53 < upgrdman_> its like 90% emotion being passed off as a review
2016-01-29T00:18:28 < upgrdman_> and many of the reviews in magazine are LITERALLY written by the manufacturer.
2016-01-29T00:18:36 < upgrdman_> or heavily guided by the manufacturer.
2016-01-29T00:20:16 < upgrdman_> it was kinda funny hearing the product manager at my old work talking to the magazine people, literally giving them phrases to use in the review, and emailing them some paragraphs.
2016-01-29T00:21:31 < upgrdman_> also funny seeing the SAME EXACT ITEM (oem china factory) branded under different names, changing only the sticker or paint, and getting wildly different review scores.
2016-01-29T00:22:04 < Sync> QC
2016-01-29T00:22:20 < upgrdman_> QC is a big deal, but that wasn't the case most of the time
2016-01-29T00:22:32 < upgrdman_> it's literally just the sticker/paint that is changed.
2016-01-29T00:22:48 < Lux> and double the price right ?
2016-01-29T00:22:55 < upgrdman_> not necessarily
2016-01-29T00:22:59 < Lux> it's expensive -> must be good?
2016-01-29T00:23:12 < upgrdman_> just one distributor carring it under their house brand, and another distributor carring it under their house brand
2016-01-29T00:23:21 < upgrdman_> price difference maybe just a few %
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2016-01-29T00:24:07 < Lux> i've seen that with those toy quads some times, like >>200% increase
2016-01-29T00:24:38 < upgrdman_> also funny to see some of the big, highly respected brands getting caught rebranding some china shit and just changing the mold for the plastic case, and maybe the color of some wiring
2016-01-29T00:29:04 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKaVBZZkQtVXQwUjQ/view?usp=docslist_api what is that sound
2016-01-29T00:32:05 < Sync> the sound of money
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2016-01-29T00:43:30 < kakimir> it needs harder riding
2016-01-29T00:45:47 < kakimir> i have not heard a single case of this engine fucking itself
2016-01-29T00:47:13 < kakimir> its always oiltank hose connector that takes inpact or fails for fun
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2016-01-29T01:50:36 < upgrdman> kakimir, sounds like a massive air leak
2016-01-29T01:51:07 < upgrdman> kakimir, a quick but slightly dangerous way to find the leak is to spray a little brake cleaner in different areas.
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2016-01-29T01:51:19 < upgrdman> the engine will react when it sucks it in
2016-01-29T01:51:28 < upgrdman> dont go overboard, brake cleaner is flammable
2016-01-29T01:51:45 < upgrdman> and dont be a dumb fuck and spray it on your exhaust manifold, etc.
2016-01-29T01:59:13 < kakimir> air lieak?
2016-01-29T01:59:17 < kakimir> like exhaust leak?
2016-01-29T01:59:25 < kakimir> or inlet leak?
2016-01-29T01:59:40 < kakimir> it's good to hear that engine itself is fine
2016-01-29T02:01:16 < Sync> well, it could be a rod knock but it doesn't really sound like it
2016-01-29T02:01:31 < kakimir> hmm
2016-01-29T02:01:34 < kakimir> one note
2016-01-29T02:01:50 < kakimir> I think that sometimes that sound comes after 2-5sec of start
2016-01-29T02:02:35 < kakimir> could it be something to do with liquids
2016-01-29T02:03:25 < kakimir> alternator switching on?
2016-01-29T02:03:50 < kakimir> these things have some warm up stuff and so on that turn on and off
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2016-01-29T02:04:37 < kakimir> with warm engine it should skip that altogether
2016-01-29T02:05:16 < kakimir> I need to check if sound and lights turning on correlate
2016-01-29T02:08:03 < kakimir> with air leaks shouldn't it like.. affect something
2016-01-29T02:08:53 < kakimir> well let's leave it there
2016-01-29T02:14:52 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/lENAnso
2016-01-29T02:15:51 < kakimir> she was special
2016-01-29T02:29:31 < artag> http://imgur.com/gallery/HmLRVGK
2016-01-29T02:30:44 < zyp> upgrdman, massive air leak? shouldn't the rpm be higher then?
2016-01-29T02:30:53 < upgrdman> not necessarily
2016-01-29T02:31:37 < zyp> oh, not if it's after the mass airflow meter
2016-01-29T02:31:39 < upgrdman> if it's unmetered air (after the MAF) then the ECU wont feed in extra fuel
2016-01-29T02:31:42 < upgrdman> ya
2016-01-29T02:31:55 < zyp> yeah, I forgot that MAF was a thing
2016-01-29T02:32:07 < zyp> my car is controlled of MAP only
2016-01-29T02:32:14 < upgrdman> p?
2016-01-29T02:32:21 < zyp> manifold air pressure
2016-01-29T02:32:25 < upgrdman> o
2016-01-29T02:33:40 < zyp> the pressure/rpm combo will tell you how much air is entering, so it's controlled from that
2016-01-29T02:34:46 < zyp> and you can't really get unmetered air in a system like that, since any vacuum leak will affect manifold pressure
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2016-01-29T02:35:18 < zyp> very fun when the hose between the manifold and the MAP sensor breaks though :p
2016-01-29T02:35:22 < kakimir> fools
2016-01-29T02:35:45 < kakimir> it's carburetor engine
2016-01-29T02:36:11 < kakimir> it indeed have some ecu and I don't even want to think about it
2016-01-29T02:36:29 < kakimir> why carburetor engines have ecu
2016-01-29T02:36:40 < zyp> why not?
2016-01-29T02:36:44 < zyp> mine used to have two
2016-01-29T02:36:49 < zyp> one for fuel, one for spark
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2016-01-29T02:37:22 < kakimir> that has a chunk of aluminum that has some automotive connector to it
2016-01-29T02:37:36 < kakimir> one long connector
2016-01-29T02:38:48 < zyp> hmm, but yeah, a vacuum leak in a carburetor engine would be another thing again
2016-01-29T02:39:43 < zyp> vacuum leak after carb is probably similar to vacuum leak after MAF, since either case would make the mixture too lean by adding extra air
2016-01-29T02:40:59 < kakimir> https://www.freelancer.com/services/I-will-code-in-C-for-just-5-USD-29131.html#from=all/?q=pcb%20layout cannucks
2016-01-29T02:41:11 < kakimir> there is also 5usd pcb layout
2016-01-29T02:41:52 < zyp> haha
2016-01-29T02:42:10 < kakimir> https://www.freelancer.com/services/I-will-provide-PCB-layout-for-5-USD-29129.html
2016-01-29T02:42:24 < kakimir> for 5 dollar you get a plenty
2016-01-29T02:42:26 < zyp> wait, hahaha
2016-01-29T02:42:29 < kakimir> of autorouted shiet
2016-01-29T02:42:48 < zyp> hmm
2016-01-29T02:42:51 < zyp> «I have completed over a few dozen PCB designs during my career»
2016-01-29T02:42:55 < zyp> I read half a dozen
2016-01-29T02:43:05 < zyp> :p
2016-01-29T02:43:17 < kakimir> few dozen sounds not that much
2016-01-29T02:43:30 < kakimir> unless proper big boards
2016-01-29T02:43:49 < zyp> idk, I'm not sure I'm up to a dozen yet
2016-01-29T02:44:01 < zyp> hmm, I should be, I guess
2016-01-29T02:45:48 < kakimir> your boards are always good though
2016-01-29T02:45:58 < zyp> meh
2016-01-29T02:46:17 < kakimir> kind of solid
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2016-01-29T02:46:40 < zyp> does revisions of boards count?
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2016-01-29T02:46:49 < kakimir> major revisions maybe
2016-01-29T02:46:50 < zyp> or modifying existing designs that I haven't made myself? :p
2016-01-29T02:47:04 < kakimir> if you change big number
2016-01-29T02:47:10 < kakimir> not little number
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2016-01-29T02:47:31 < kakimir> major modifying
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2016-01-29T02:48:12 < dongs> > I will do Manual routing 200pin low density (+1 day)
2016-01-29T02:48:13 < kakimir> I began to use 1A format of revision number
2016-01-29T02:48:13 < dongs> yes
2016-01-29T02:48:19 < dongs> the $5 is auto-routed board
2016-01-29T02:48:19 < dongs> lol
2016-01-29T02:48:29 < dongs> i.e. throw parts on a pcb and press button
2016-01-29T02:48:40 < kakimir> that is crime
2016-01-29T02:48:50 < zyp> if I'm counting right, I've fabbed six eagle boards
2016-01-29T02:49:00 < dongs> awful
2016-01-29T02:49:09 < dongs> dark history
2016-01-29T02:49:14 < zyp> haha
2016-01-29T02:49:23 < kakimir> zyp: let me link you kicad nightly build
2016-01-29T02:49:36 < kakimir> let's get you out of that dark hole
2016-01-29T02:49:50 < zyp> dude, I've using altium nowadays
2016-01-29T02:49:57 < kakimir> oh
2016-01-29T02:49:57 < zyp> I'm just counting the old shit first :p
2016-01-29T02:51:19 < dongs> nobody sane would want to use kikecad
2016-01-29T02:51:37 < zyp> hmm, and also six unique altium boards
2016-01-29T02:51:45 < zyp> so I'm up to a dozen at least
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2016-01-29T02:52:24 < zyp> if http://bin.jvnv.net/f/hjk3A.png looks different enough from http://bin.jvnv.net/f/NjEyT.JPG then count another :p
2016-01-29T02:52:36 < dongs> haha
2016-01-29T02:53:07 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/TPelectronics.html?ref_project_id=9473094 lol this guy bidded on a pcba project for 50 boards *INCLUDING PCB* in 3 days
2016-01-29T02:53:17 < dongs> zyp, is there even any pcb place in norway with 24h turnaround?
2016-01-29T02:53:29 < Sync> pfft, not enough surplus flying around in the power supply range I need
2016-01-29T02:53:34 < zyp> dunno if there's any pcb place at all
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2016-01-29T02:54:01 < kakimir> zyp: those boards are counted in mini board class
2016-01-29T02:54:05 < Sync> "Full SMD production line,
2016-01-29T02:54:06 < Sync> "
2016-01-29T02:54:12 < dongs> in his house
2016-01-29T02:54:13 < dongs> amirite
2016-01-29T02:54:23 < Sync> well, he probably has a dick'n'place and a hot air station
2016-01-29T02:54:25 < Sync> or an oven
2016-01-29T02:54:31 < Sync> well, not unheard of
2016-01-29T02:54:43 < zyp> there's assembly houses here, but I think they all outsource board fabbing to china or whatever
2016-01-29T02:54:48 < Sync> someone I know has a reflow oven and two pro PnPs at his house
2016-01-29T02:54:54 < dongs> http://www.tpelectronics.no/
2016-01-29T02:54:56 < dongs> this is the guy
2016-01-29T02:55:03 < kakimir> could you keep house warm in cold winter
2016-01-29T02:55:21 < kakimir> with full electronics factory in the basement floor
2016-01-29T02:55:33 < kakimir> sounds like a plan
2016-01-29T02:55:42 < dongs> does the site look PRO, zyp?
2016-01-29T02:55:59 < zyp> the stuff I did for $newjob got fabbed in china and assembled inhouse by sister company or something
2016-01-29T02:56:00 < Sync> Friday 18 January 2013	
2016-01-29T02:56:04 < Sync> ARE YOU SRS
2016-01-29T02:56:20 < zyp> dongs, haha
2016-01-29T02:56:49 < Sync> Design fra A til Å oh haha wow
2016-01-29T02:57:06 < zyp> Å is the last letter in the norwegian alphabet
2016-01-29T02:57:14 < zyp> ÆØÅ follows after Z
2016-01-29T02:57:18 < Sync> I did not realize that the alphabet in .no went from A to Åland Å
2016-01-29T02:57:18 < dongs> haha
2016-01-29T02:58:30 < zyp> heh
2016-01-29T02:58:38 < zyp> https://w2.brreg.no/enhet/sok/detalj.jsp?orgnr=982609380 <- found company registration
2016-01-29T02:59:18 < dongs> NOTE NORGE
2016-01-29T02:59:20 < zyp> hmm, wait
2016-01-29T02:59:39 < zyp> ah, no
2016-01-29T02:59:53 < zyp> https://w2.brreg.no/enhet/sok/detalj.jsp?orgnr=982575524 <- here it is
2016-01-29T03:00:32 < zyp> sole proprietorship
2016-01-29T03:00:38 < dongs> well at least hes not lying about how many years buyt
2016-01-29T03:00:42 < dongs> using using eagle since 2000?
2016-01-29T03:00:44 < dongs> ffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
2016-01-29T03:00:48 < zyp> haha
2016-01-29T03:01:07 < zyp> apparently guy is not registered in VAT register
2016-01-29T03:01:24 < zyp> so he's never earned >50k NOK in a year
2016-01-29T03:01:43 < dongs> well, he IS on feelancer after all...
2016-01-29T03:02:02 < zyp> to be fair, I'm not VAT registered either :p
2016-01-29T03:02:17 < kakimir> http://www.guru.com/jobs/led-driver-design/1210668 hmm
2016-01-29T03:02:48 < zyp> I earned 46k on mine last year, for the LL shit
2016-01-29T03:03:16 < Sync> you can get vat exempt here too
2016-01-29T03:03:19 < Sync> but it is the shit
2016-01-29T03:03:27 < Sync> because other companies get mad at you
2016-01-29T03:03:40 < zyp> what do you mean by exempt?
2016-01-29T03:03:46 < kakimir> if you stuck to atmel avr
2016-01-29T03:03:55 < kakimir> you dont get rich
2016-01-29T03:04:13 < Sync> well, usually here all bills have to include vat zyp
2016-01-29T03:04:18 < dongs> atxmega is the way to go
2016-01-29T03:04:32 < Sync> but if you are a small bsnz you can say you don't wanna do that and not collect VAT with your bills
2016-01-29T03:04:59 < zyp> yeah?
2016-01-29T03:05:13 < Sync> well, it is a pita and other businesses will hate you
2016-01-29T03:05:22 < zyp> why?
2016-01-29T03:05:28 < Sync> as they cannot reclaim vat from the gubmint
2016-01-29T03:05:43 < zyp> of course not, they didn't pay it in the first place
2016-01-29T03:06:07 < zyp> it's similar here
2016-01-29T03:06:56 < zyp> a company isn't allowed to collect VAT until it's VAT registered, and it can't register for VAT until it's hit 50k revenue in a year
2016-01-29T03:07:18 < zyp> when it hits 50k, VAT registration is mandatory
2016-01-29T03:07:24 < Sync> about the same here
2016-01-29T03:07:34 < Sync> above a certain threshold you must collect vat
2016-01-29T03:07:36 < Sync> below you can
2016-01-29T03:08:00 < Sync> which doesn't help you at all, but it drives your turnover up
2016-01-29T03:08:20 < zyp> when you're VAT registered, you have to collect VAT on everything you bill, and get VAT refunded on most stuff you buy
2016-01-29T03:08:39 < zyp> which means you can buy tools cheaper once you're VAT registered
2016-01-29T03:08:47 < Sync> that's the neat thing, even if you are not collecting vat here you can get it back
2016-01-29T03:08:59 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5acGmgBGN8&app=desktop
2016-01-29T03:10:13 < zyp> yeah, here you can apply for a retroactive refund when you enter the VAT registry, for purchases done the last three years
2016-01-29T03:10:20 < zyp> with some restrictions
2016-01-29T03:11:25 < dongs> next year zyp will write off his egolf purchase as company expense
2016-01-29T03:11:30 < zyp> haha
2016-01-29T03:11:35 < zyp> nah
2016-01-29T03:12:12 < zyp> well, I mean, if this charging station shit I'm planning sells well, maybe that would be plausible :p
2016-01-29T03:12:35 < zyp> «need EV for testing prototypes»
2016-01-29T03:13:33 < dongs> huahueEHUaeHUEAHUeuh
2016-01-29T03:14:11 < zyp> that shit is probably going to be a three board combination
2016-01-29T03:15:10 < zyp> one board in the back for screw terminals, 230V reg and relays and shit, one board in the front for oled and buttons
2016-01-29T03:15:46 < zyp> and probably neither of them will have enough area for the mcu and shit, so that'll be a middle board
2016-01-29T03:19:34 < zyp> oh well, bedtime
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2016-01-29T03:29:46 < upgrdman> anyone had issues with gmail refusing to send a zip file because it contains a virus? the zip file contains some fucking verilog and html. windows defender says no virus found, but google gives no details as to why it thinks there's a virus.
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2016-01-29T03:45:11 < Sync> upgrdman: upload it to virustotal
2016-01-29T03:45:41 < upgrdman> i can't. it contains propreitary code i shouldn't be uploading to random web sites
2016-01-29T03:45:59 < Sync> virustotal is not really a random website
2016-01-29T03:46:15 < Sync> and if you are sending it through gmail, GG anyways
2016-01-29T03:48:48 < bilboquet_> from USB DFU protocol used in the STM32 (note AN3156, applicable for stm32F4 ) -> http://i.imgur.com/TgEgG2l.png
2016-01-29T03:48:59 < bilboquet_> they talk about page. To be sure, for F4 I read it in sector ?
2016-01-29T03:53:19 < dongs> address is address
2016-01-29T03:53:29 < dongs> too many bits for sector
2016-01-29T03:53:52 < dongs> i guess they're just directly sending full 32bit address
2016-01-29T03:55:03 < kakimir> how cheap I should design led driver
2016-01-29T03:55:13 < kakimir> for that 100w chinese led
2016-01-29T03:55:28 < kakimir> throw some numbers!
2016-01-29T03:55:46 < kakimir> 5dollars anyone?
2016-01-29T03:56:06 < bilboquet_> thanks dongs
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2016-01-29T04:13:02 < ReadError> dongs http://seriouslypro.com/img/spracingf3mini/product/pcb-top-and-bottom.jpg
2016-01-29T04:27:42 < kakimir> I set it to 500dollars
2016-01-29T04:28:03 < kakimir> to design driver that I have already thought over
2016-01-29T04:52:31 < dongs> he finished his SMA assburgering session
2016-01-29T04:52:33 < dongs> moved on to somethign else
2016-01-29T04:55:49 < kakimir> led light to illuminate my dick in the night
2016-01-29T04:56:03 < kakimir> priorities
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2016-01-29T04:57:09 < kakimir> 0201?
2016-01-29T04:57:18 < kakimir> placed inside
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2016-01-29T04:59:33 < dongs> its not liek youll ever buy either one
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2016-01-29T05:10:37 < kakimir> why wouldn't in 2016 there be chinese good soldering station
2016-01-29T05:10:48 < kakimir> they are ultimate electronics producer
2016-01-29T05:10:55 < kakimir> they have to have their own shiet
2016-01-29T05:11:17 < kakimir> besides soldering stations are pretty trivial
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2016-01-29T05:14:29 < bilboquet_> in fact to be sure sniffing dfu (with usbmon),  would avoid me ask. even if the answer is the same than dongs less quickly !
2016-01-29T05:19:04 < bilboquet_> http://www.selectronic.fr/station-de-soudage-dessoudage-professionnelle-zd917.html
2016-01-29T05:21:38 < bilboquet_> the desoldering gun is useful.
2016-01-29T05:23:32 < kakimir> I just wrote a poem for 500usd job
2016-01-29T05:23:44 < kakimir> god damn priorities
2016-01-29T05:25:25 < kakimir> he orders it quick and shitty from some pakistani
2016-01-29T05:25:34 < kakimir> I bet
2016-01-29T05:26:58 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/allegro-PCB-route/
2016-01-29T05:26:59 < dongs> ahahahahahahahahah
2016-01-29T05:27:01 < dongs> ATTN R2COM
2016-01-29T05:27:07 < dongs> you can route a 6 layer board in allegro for $30
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2016-01-29T05:32:20 < kakimir> so my 500usd quote comes after some californian design studio
2016-01-29T05:32:31 < kakimir> so they have some desing under 500usd
2016-01-29T05:32:53 < kakimir> I hope they dont have student loan
2016-01-29T05:44:54 < kakimir> my quote has around.. 70lines
2016-01-29T05:45:34 < kakimir> pro quote is lazy 2 lines
2016-01-29T05:46:12 < kakimir> I'm an professional of 20years in the business.
2016-01-29T05:47:28 < kakimir> It
2016-01-29T05:47:52 < kakimir> is a piece of cake.
2016-01-29T05:49:49 < ds2> wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ADC is sampling
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2016-01-29T06:01:58 < dongs> R2COM: i bought windows 10 license off ebay for 12gbp
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2016-01-29T06:02:18 < dongs> thanks to jadew
2016-01-29T06:05:20 < kakimir> R2COM: pakistanis
2016-01-29T06:05:53 < englishman> Why is flyback being such a cheap ass canadian
2016-01-29T06:06:35 < englishman> dongs: got that link so I can updong the Toshiba
2016-01-29T06:06:39 < kakimir> you have not seen cheap ass
2016-01-29T06:07:14 < dongs> http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/radius-12/P25W-C2300-4K this ?
2016-01-29T06:07:21 < englishman> Yes
2016-01-29T06:07:36 < kakimir> there is people in finland that have where ever they go their own coffee with them
2016-01-29T06:07:55 < englishman> Yes its called a coffee thermos
2016-01-29T06:08:07 < dongs> great american laptop
2016-01-29T06:08:47 < englishman> It came with nip writing on it
2016-01-29T06:08:55 < dongs> it did?
2016-01-29T06:08:57 < dongs> where
2016-01-29T06:09:01 < englishman> Labels and stuff
2016-01-29T06:09:10 < dongs> sure it wasnt chinq?
2016-01-29T06:09:13 < englishman> Yes
2016-01-29T06:09:15 < dongs> japs dont even sell any model with screen > 1024x768
2016-01-29T06:09:18 < kakimir> englishman: yes but when there is reasonable priced coffee avaiable
2016-01-29T06:09:27 < englishman> Toshiba is jap tho?
2016-01-29T06:10:03 < ReadError> dongs you cack did you see the spr3 mini
2016-01-29T06:10:27 < englishman> only reasonable priced coffee is coffee you make your damn self
2016-01-29T06:10:54 < kakimir> that is very true
2016-01-29T06:11:07 < kakimir> but uneventfulness is also good
2016-01-29T06:11:19 < kakimir> I'm ultipoor
2016-01-29T06:12:36 < kakimir> usa is how so many kind of people can become so.. uniform
2016-01-29T06:14:04 < kakimir> puss
2016-01-29T06:15:45 < kakimir> my russian friend tried to get me with him to visit moscow
2016-01-29T06:17:27 < kakimir> said that a bit nerdy guys are concidered fuckables there
2016-01-29T06:21:22 < kakimir> don't know if legit and what he meant
2016-01-29T06:21:51 < kakimir> he propably meant smart and well off
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2016-01-29T06:25:03 < upgrdman> hehe  http://i.imgur.com/peVFRbm.gifv
2016-01-29T06:32:27 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-29T06:45:37 < dongs> oh fucksake
2016-01-29T06:45:44 < dongs> digikey weeb 3.0'd thier site + search
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2016-01-29T08:03:09 < crt> good afternoon
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2016-01-29T08:35:52 < dongs> dongssssssssssssssssssss
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2016-01-29T08:36:25 < crt> oi
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2016-01-29T08:40:15 < ReadError> dongs u nagger
2016-01-29T08:40:45 < dongs> cloner, get in the corner
2016-01-29T08:41:26 < crt> hmm.
2016-01-29T08:42:18 < ReadError> dongs did you see my link
2016-01-29T08:42:27 < dongs> i saw it long time ago
2016-01-29T08:42:31 < dongs> before you pasted it
2016-01-29T08:42:38 < ReadError> comments?
2016-01-29T08:42:55 < dongs> my comment was, and you can quote me "just when I thought clifton couldn't get any further removed from reality, he goes and drops that turd"
2016-01-29T08:45:15 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYYT15C42Oc
2016-01-29T08:55:17 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZlPHB4xDCI
2016-01-29T08:55:28 < crt> this is the filth lab music
2016-01-29T08:55:36 < crt> http://i.imgur.com/Lz6yJDY.jpg
2016-01-29T08:55:45 < dongs> my fucking windows key is missing presses
2016-01-29T08:55:55 < dongs> cant tell if it s fucking win10 problem of hardware on keyboard
2016-01-29T08:55:55 < crt> celebrating the arrival of my pretty new toys
2016-01-29T08:56:02 < crt> blame on w10
2016-01-29T08:56:07 < dongs> <crt> i bid on all that gear from zano
2016-01-29T08:56:13 < crt> bs
2016-01-29T08:56:21 < dongs> ^ new toys
2016-01-29T08:56:26 < crt> someone got the propellers for fuckall
2016-01-29T08:56:32 < dongs> the fuck are tehy gonna do with it
2016-01-29T08:56:35 < dongs> 48k propellers
2016-01-29T08:56:40 < crt> i have NO IDEA
2016-01-29T08:56:53 < crt> honestly... you'd get more $ if you melted them down :/
2016-01-29T08:57:10 < dongs> they're all hubsan props tho, so maybe jsut ebay them FOR LIFE
2016-01-29T08:57:17 < dongs> undercut some chinaman and hope they sell
2016-01-29T08:57:37 < crt> yeah fuck that
2016-01-29T08:57:38 < dongs> if you sell 2 sets per day
2016-01-29T08:57:41 < dongs> (8 props)
2016-01-29T08:57:44 < dongs> every fuckin day
2016-01-29T08:57:47 < dongs> thats 16 years
2016-01-29T08:57:48 < dongs> of prop selling
2016-01-29T08:57:50 < crt> :/
2016-01-29T08:57:51 < dongs> to get rid of 48k
2016-01-29T08:57:52 < crt> nty
2016-01-29T08:58:08 < PeterM> crt do you even pots
2016-01-29T08:58:12 < crt> pots?
2016-01-29T08:58:16 < crt> soder pot?
2016-01-29T08:58:18 < PeterM> potentiometers
2016-01-29T08:58:22 < crt> suree... .
2016-01-29T08:58:25 < crt> when needed.
2016-01-29T08:58:29 < dongs> i pot
2016-01-29T08:58:33 < dongs> as in get fucking stoned
2016-01-29T08:58:37 < PeterM> liek why that board has like 8
2016-01-29T08:58:40 < crt> yeah
2016-01-29T08:58:46 < crt> not my board, just needed a fix
2016-01-29T08:58:57 < crt> bad via, half the +ve rails were missing on the op amps
2016-01-29T08:59:06 < dongs> sounbds like pro audio shit
2016-01-29T08:59:10 < crt> tis
2016-01-29T08:59:11 < crt> hk
2016-01-29T08:59:16 < dongs> where's 10MHz rubidium reference connector
2016-01-29T08:59:22 < PeterM> sounds like horrible design
2016-01-29T08:59:25 < crt> no chance.
2016-01-29T08:59:29 < crt> its fucking horrible man.
2016-01-29T08:59:33 < crt> made in germany too!
2016-01-29T08:59:50 < crt> audiophiles love the sound of scratchy pots.
2016-01-29T08:59:58 < crt> can't have any DSPs in there.
2016-01-29T09:00:14 < PeterM> Germany, Hebei Privince...
2016-01-29T09:00:22 < PeterM> more liek it
2016-01-29T09:00:25 < crt> idk... just 'made in germany'
2016-01-29T09:00:33 < crt> 5 year warranty... ends up on my bench
2016-01-29T09:00:46 < crt> $100 for 15 mins work.. fuck it off
2016-01-29T09:01:03 < PeterM> oh, also your iron costs like 2x as much as your scope, whats up wiuth that
2016-01-29T09:01:26 < crt> don't need high bandwidth, have a 2465B on the shelf behind me
2016-01-29T09:01:30 < crt> owned it for 8 years.
2016-01-29T09:01:47 < crt> sexy old 400MHz analogue cro.
2016-01-29T09:02:36 < PeterM> yeah but like... channels...segmented memory... better display...etc
2016-01-29T09:02:51 < crt> ahhhh, if i needs better i'll get around to buying it
2016-01-29T09:03:08 < crt> $10,000 for a x3000 agilent with 500mhz.... thinking .... thinking about it.
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2016-01-29T09:09:33 < crt> much more interested in an IR BGA rework station
2016-01-29T09:09:57 < crt> do any of you people do rework on such things?
2016-01-29T09:11:56 < dongs> i have my chinashit one
2016-01-29T09:12:00 < dongs> works gr8
2016-01-29T09:12:25 < dongs> T968++ or wahtever
2016-01-29T09:12:35 < dongs> T-862++
2016-01-29T09:12:36 < dongs> that.
2016-01-29T09:13:58 < crt> sounds worth a look
2016-01-29T09:14:18 < dongs> i threw away the shitty iron that ca me wiht it
2016-01-29T09:14:22 < dongs> just use hotplate part + IR lamp
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2016-01-29T09:14:33 < crt> yeah absolutely fuck the iron
2016-01-29T09:14:41 < crt> its really annoying how they pile in garbage.
2016-01-29T09:16:03 < crt> i've got a few boards i could easily make $500 out of
2016-01-29T09:16:15 < crt> no investment yet
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2016-01-29T09:43:20 < dongs> today announced that it completed the sale of its Slashdot and SourceForge businesses (together referred to as 'Slashdot Media') to BIZX, LLC in a transaction that closed on January 27, 2016.
2016-01-29T09:43:24 < dongs> lol
2016-01-29T09:43:53 < crt> wtf
2016-01-29T09:43:57 < dongs> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/01/28/apple-recall-ac-wall-adapters/ more lol
2016-01-29T09:44:03 < crt> yeah saw that dog
2016-01-29T09:44:21 < celeron55> wait were slashdot and sourceforge owned by some single entity until today?
2016-01-29T09:44:29 < dongs> er yeah
2016-01-29T09:44:33 < dongs> you didnt know?
2016-01-29T09:44:39 < crt> so fucking what though, 400vDC is something more worthwhile than a tickle off 240vAC
2016-01-29T09:44:48 < celeron55> well i don't really care for either
2016-01-29T09:45:42 < celeron55> BIZX doesn't sound to be any better than whatever it was before so i guess those sites continue to be dead to me
2016-01-29T09:46:03 < dongs> they've been deader than NetBSD for years now
2016-01-29T09:46:10 < dongs> sourceforge was jsut a malware download site now
2016-01-29T09:46:16 < crt> ty
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2016-01-29T09:49:36 < dongs> http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/28/bank-of-japan-adopts-negative-interest-rate-policy-reuters.html
2016-01-29T09:49:39 < dongs> fucking japan
2016-01-29T09:50:21 < crt> hajimemashite
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2016-01-29T09:59:47 < dongs> studev is in italy?
2016-01-29T09:59:56 < dongs> he could just walk over to ST headquarters and rage at them
2016-01-29T09:59:59 < stukdev> yes
2016-01-29T10:01:34 < stukdev> dongs: but its in swiss the headquarters
2016-01-29T10:02:29 < dongs> er are you sure?
2016-01-29T10:04:32 < stukdev> anyway.. i'm trying generate two quadratic output with the same frequency  but one shifted 90 degree. I use an output compare, and i setting the frequency that i want. In the output compare i set one pulse to 0, and other to half the period. This method works but i've a little problem. Sometimes the first pulse is little than the other, and the max freq i can reach is 70khz. this is the code:http://pastebin.com/
2016-01-29T10:04:32 < stukdev> QpDfJgc5
2016-01-29T10:07:00 < dongs> buying mouser
2016-01-29T10:07:09 < dongs> is that shitty F7-neuycleo still in stock?
2016-01-29T10:07:25 < stukdev> i'm using f4 at my project
2016-01-29T10:08:12 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/NUCLEO-F429ZI/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvt1VFuCspEMir%252bxn3gMEzrMfXnrbQu%2fQo%3d
2016-01-29T10:08:16 < dongs> hmm
2016-01-29T10:08:44 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/NUCLEO-F746ZG/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvt1VFuCspEMrMRnD30RBzD70T%252bbCISK7k%3d
2016-01-29T10:08:47 < dongs> ah this is the one thats OOS
2016-01-29T10:08:48 < dongs> cunts.
2016-01-29T10:09:12 < ReadError> ya they sold out pretty quick
2016-01-29T10:09:19 < ReadError> the F429 one is nice though
2016-01-29T10:09:38 < ReadError> im moving one of my projects over to it now
2016-01-29T10:10:37 < ReadError> except they used soem crazy ass crystal footprint
2016-01-29T10:21:52 < dongs> wat else to pickup from mouser
2016-01-29T10:21:55 < dongs> got shit i wanted ($10)
2016-01-29T10:21:57 < dongs> now just trolling around
2016-01-29T10:24:24 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Intel/ARDUINO101/?qs=%2fha2pyFadugpsreW0VzbPolHwFD1ALcyyMwfQ22y3Bme0WWtGjH%252b0A%3d%3d
2016-01-29T10:25:01 < dongs> the fuck is that
2016-01-29T10:25:21 < dongs> New Technology: Cutting edge technology for the newest designs.
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2016-01-29T10:29:19 < ReadError> idk, seen it some days back and it looked funny
2016-01-29T10:41:28 < dongs> sweet
2016-01-29T10:41:30 < dongs> free shipping
2016-01-29T10:41:33 < dongs> and paypal
2016-01-29T10:42:05 < ReadError> lol did you buy the intel arduino?
2016-01-29T10:42:09 < dongs> mouser has a purpose
2016-01-29T10:42:36 < dongs> haha no
2016-01-29T10:42:39 < dongs> was that intel based/
2016-01-29T10:42:53 < dongs> i bought 429iz disco and another disco and the shits i needed
2016-01-29T10:42:59 < ReadError> yea
2016-01-29T10:43:02 < ReadError> its an intel x86
2016-01-29T10:43:10 < ReadError> but arduino, i guess
2016-01-29T10:43:18 < dongs> awful
2016-01-29T10:43:29 < dongs> watever itis, mouser succeeded
2016-01-29T10:43:33 < dongs> billto: in usa, shipto jp
2016-01-29T10:43:35 < dongs> shipping: free
2016-01-29T10:43:38 < dongs> cant go wrong there.
2016-01-29T10:43:46 < ReadError> yes mouser is great
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2016-01-29T10:51:33 < Steffanx> Lol dongs
2016-01-29T10:51:54 < Steffanx> Abused a US pal address?
2016-01-29T11:00:48 < dongs> well i still have address tehre
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2016-01-29T11:17:47 < zyp> dongs, but when billto is jp, you have to pay for shipping?
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2016-01-29T11:52:07 < johntramp> i am having trouble tracking down an issue where roughly one out of a million chars sent to the UART causes the system to lock up, causing an iwdg reset
2016-01-29T11:52:25 < johntramp> anyone seen something like this before?   it is repeatable but seems completely random when it happens
2016-01-29T11:52:40 < johntramp> stm32f4
2016-01-29T11:55:47 < dongs> zyp, when billto is JP, im fucked with not being able to use paypal
2016-01-29T11:55:53 < dongs> because racism
2016-01-29T11:55:56 < zyp> oh
2016-01-29T11:56:22 < Taxman> johntramp: ISR UART?
2016-01-29T11:56:26 < dongs> did you see the new BLACK HEADERS on digikey
2016-01-29T11:56:28 < dongs> in results
2016-01-29T11:56:31 < dongs> looks fucking awful
2016-01-29T11:56:57 < PeterM> it sees slower too
2016-01-29T11:57:03 < PeterM> seems eveb
2016-01-29T11:57:06 < PeterM> even
2016-01-29T11:57:31 < dongs> probably updated to new ruby on fales version
2016-01-29T11:58:03 < PeterM> i dunno, old DK was pretty decent
2016-01-29T12:08:15 < ReadError> digikeys parametric is still shit
2016-01-29T12:08:35 < ReadError> you cant undo anything
2016-01-29T12:08:42 < Taxman> dongs: i can second this
2016-01-29T12:09:14 < PeterM> ReadError, sure, but thats better than not being able to do it in the first place like pretty much otehr pfg
2016-01-29T12:09:21 < PeterM> other distributor
2016-01-29T12:09:41 < ReadError> mouser's is nice, you can unselect things you sorted by
2016-01-29T12:10:07 < ReadError> but i have other reasons for mouser, digikey charges tax
2016-01-29T12:10:26 < ReadError> and shipping is a bit more (doesnt matter to you internationals who get it free)
2016-01-29T12:12:05 < PeterM> its only free on orders over $150~ usd so its only "ok"
2016-01-29T12:12:30 < PeterM> iirc there was a browser plugin for digikeey that added lots of features
2016-01-29T12:12:37 < PeterM> but i think dks latest update broke them all
2016-01-29T12:14:40 < PeterM> https://www.eewiki.net/display/Motley/advancedsearch+Greasemonkey+Userscript+for+Digikey.com
2016-01-29T12:18:27 < johntramp> Taxman: I am just writing to the UART,  via the chibios HAL
2016-01-29T12:19:53 < mitrax> johntramp: sounds like an unhandled error condition in your ISR, like frame / parity / noise error
2016-01-29T12:21:38 < johntramp> I am running quite a high baud rate, 230400, perhaps that could have something to do with it
2016-01-29T12:25:07 < mitrax> johntramp: yup, in any case check the code that handles the interrupt and makes sure it checks for ORE / PE / FE flas in the SR register (and clear the ERR interrupt if you requested it)
2016-01-29T12:25:31 < johntramp> i'll look into that,  thanks
2016-01-29T12:33:39 < mitrax> johntramp: you could try setting a parity that doesn't match what is sent from the remote side or add noise to the line and see if it happens
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2016-01-29T12:44:19 < johntramp> well this is just debug output, nothing is received
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2016-01-29T13:04:02 < mitrax> johntramp: oh... i misread what you said sorry
2016-01-29T13:13:51 < johntramp> oh no problem, I wasn't clear about that
2016-01-29T13:14:16 < mitrax> johntramp: you were, you said "i am just writing to the UART" for some reason i read that wrong :)
2016-01-29T13:14:33 < mitrax> johntramp: anyway, it might not be related to the UART at all then, unless the error interrupt enable bit is set somehow (USART_CR3 EIE bit) and you get noise on the RXD line
2016-01-29T13:15:59 < johntramp> when I stop writing the data I am not getting lockups,  although I also have a mutex which prevents two threads both trying to write at the same time, I am now suspecting that may be something to do with it
2016-01-29T13:16:17 < mitrax> are you sure it's not a deadlock?
2016-01-29T13:17:42 < johntramp> well it is pretty simple process;  take mutex, write to uart, release mutex,  there is no other blocking operation while the mutex is owned
2016-01-29T13:18:14 < mitrax> and you only have one mutex involved? there's no other mutex protecting another resource that gets acquired / released by those two threads?
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2016-01-29T13:19:14 < johntramp> hmm , well there are a lot of threads involved, each with their own resources etc. that are also protected
2016-01-29T13:21:46 < mitrax> that could well be it, check which  resources are accessed by the threads that access the uart
2016-01-29T13:22:49 < johntramp> shouldn't the priority inheritance take care of those conditions?
2016-01-29T13:25:53 < mitrax> i guess you're familiar with deadlock situation, if not say you have thread 1 and thread 2, and mutex A and mutex B, thread 1 locks A, thread 1 and thread 2 attempts to locks B at the same time, thread 2 wins and thread 1 is still waiting on B, thread 2 needs to lock A which it will never do cause thread 1 is waiting on B
2016-01-29T13:27:05 < mitrax> that's very easy to get into when you have multiple threads interacting with shared resources if you're not careful
2016-01-29T13:29:07 < mitrax> afaik priority inheritance doesn't prevent deadlocks
2016-01-29T13:29:17 < zyp> it doesn't
2016-01-29T13:29:42 < zyp> priority inheritance just increases the priority of the holding thread to that of the waiting thread
2016-01-29T13:29:51 < mitrax> yup
2016-01-29T13:29:58 < johntramp> yeah that is to prevent a lower pri thread holding up a high pri thd
2016-01-29T13:30:18 < zyp> which leads to other fun issues like priority inversion
2016-01-29T13:30:29 < zyp> but ok
2016-01-29T13:31:13 < zyp> to avoid deadlocks, you have to be strict about locks that can be held at the same time by a single thread
2016-01-29T13:31:49 < zyp> if a single thread can hold more than one lock at once, those threads should have a well defined order of which needs to be locked first
2016-01-29T13:31:56 < zyp> I mean, those locks
2016-01-29T13:32:48 < zyp> if B can only ever be taken when you already hold A, you've eliminated the potential for a deadlock
2016-01-29T13:33:18 < johntramp> yeah I see
2016-01-29T13:35:17 < zyp> or you can get by with not blocking
2016-01-29T13:36:09 < zyp> if the inner lock is already taken, instead of waiting for it, you can skip whatever you wanted to do and release the outer lock
2016-01-29T13:38:48 < mitrax> johntramp: did you remove the watchdog in order to break it when you notice it stalls?
2016-01-29T13:39:12 < johntramp> mitrax: no I haven't done that yet
2016-01-29T13:39:24 < mitrax> johntramp: i bet you'll be somewhere in the mutex code with threads waiting on each other :)
2016-01-29T13:39:36 < johntramp> perhaps a good step to find out what is going on
2016-01-29T13:39:50 < johntramp> I try avoid gdb when possible ;)
2016-01-29T13:40:29 < mitrax> what IDE do you use?
2016-01-29T13:40:36 < johntramp> vim
2016-01-29T13:40:38 < mitrax> if any :)
2016-01-29T13:40:39 < mitrax> ah
2016-01-29T13:40:58 < johntramp> vim+gcc+openocd
2016-01-29T13:43:22 < zyp> wtf
2016-01-29T13:43:30 < zyp> why would you avoid using a debugger?
2016-01-29T13:43:35 < PaulFertser> johntramp: why avoid gdb? It proved extremely useful for debugging issues like that.
2016-01-29T13:45:12 < dongs> he's too pro for debugging
2016-01-29T13:45:53 < mitrax> get an IDE with integrated debugging it will make your life much easier in such situations
2016-01-29T13:46:04 < johntramp> maybe I am not very good at using it
2016-01-29T13:46:04 < PaulFertser> Then he should be using Haskell or some Coq-proved compiler and code generated by something like copilot etc.
2016-01-29T13:46:41 < zyp> you won't get better if you don't use it either :)
2016-01-29T13:49:53 < dongs> multithreaded code without debugger, 2pro4us
2016-01-29T13:55:19 < johntramp> well it's not that I don't use it, just it isn't my first port of call
2016-01-29T13:55:42 < johntramp> and I usually find it a pretty painful experience
2016-01-29T13:56:32 < johntramp> but yeah, this is probably the right time for it,  although to trigger on a deadlock, would that mean having to create a soft watchdog IRQ?
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2016-01-29T13:59:23 < dongs> so waht doyou usually do? printf or something else retarded?
2016-01-29T13:59:54 < karlp> johntramp: no, just turn off the watchdog like mitrax said,
2016-01-29T13:59:54 < johntramp> read the code
2016-01-29T13:59:59 < mitrax> johntramp: disable the watchdog and just break the program when you notice it's deadlocked
2016-01-29T14:00:02 < karlp> let it deadlock, and then pause, see where it is.
2016-01-29T14:05:23 < dongs> http://imgur.com/gallery/KelEV
2016-01-29T14:10:55 < johntramp> yeah ok ill see what I can find
2016-01-29T14:11:37 < mitrax> lunch bbl
2016-01-29T14:11:41 < mitrax> johntramp: good luck :)
2016-01-29T14:18:26 < zyp> hmm, this new stm32f411 stuff doesn't have CAN
2016-01-29T14:35:14 < zyp> I guess f405/f407 is still best choice if you want to make can nodes that have a fair amount of memory
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2016-01-29T14:41:50 < dongs> F103 + FSMC
2016-01-29T14:41:58 < dongs> way cheaper
2016-01-29T14:42:02 < Taxman> zyp: I got two stm32f407 rev 3 from ST FAE but i wanted to have F417
2016-01-29T14:42:44 < Taxman> does one know if there is some can auto calibration to avoid a crystal?
2016-01-29T14:48:39 < zyp> dongs, not that much memory
2016-01-29T14:49:28 < dongs> zyp, its still cehaper
2016-01-29T14:49:40 < zyp> sure
2016-01-29T14:49:47 < dongs> <1 for sram and i dunno for 1st 103 that has fsmc
2016-01-29T14:49:50 < dongs> 100pin?
2016-01-29T14:50:01 < zyp> I mean, I don't need fsmc
2016-01-29T14:50:05 < dongs> yea.
2016-01-29T14:50:19 < zyp> mostly thinking about flash actually
2016-01-29T14:50:28 < zyp> and not that much either
2016-01-29T14:50:32 < zyp> hmm
2016-01-29T14:50:34 < zyp> oh, btw
2016-01-29T14:50:44 < zyp> can F103 do CAN and USB at the same time?
2016-01-29T14:50:47 < dongs> nope
2016-01-29T14:50:57 < zyp> right, so not relevant then
2016-01-29T14:50:59 < dongs> usb/can buffers are shared, pins too
2016-01-29T14:51:00 < dongs> mkay
2016-01-29T14:54:59 < PeterM> do you ever see obvious pricing fuckups on DK etc and buy a bunch hoping they will honour the fuck up?
2016-01-29T14:55:26 < zyp> no, that's fucked up
2016-01-29T14:55:40 < dongs> have you?
2016-01-29T14:55:59 < dongs> i think the only time i saw a price fuckup on digikey, I wouldnt wanna buy it cuz it was liek $10k/1 thing
2016-01-29T14:56:00 < PeterM> not from dk, but from e14
2016-01-29T14:56:04 < dongs> never seen the cheap ones
2016-01-29T14:56:13 < dongs> yes, thats how I got nearly free renesas shiteval board
2016-01-29T14:56:20 < dongs> which i then sold for like $100 to dumb japs
2016-01-29T14:56:31 < dongs> it was like $1 or osmething on e14
2016-01-29T14:56:36 < dongs> instead of $80-ish
2016-01-29T14:56:46 < dongs> then it sat in my office for a year, and i sold it on auction for $100
2016-01-29T14:56:49 < dongs> with a ton of bids
2016-01-29T14:57:01 < dongs> it was for some dumb rensas mcu i'd never use
2016-01-29T14:57:08 < PeterM> i got like 500 $2 fets for like $10, use em for everytrhign now
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2016-01-29T15:28:50 < Sync> I got a renesas devboard
2016-01-29T15:28:55 < Sync> but ye not gonna use it
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2016-01-29T15:41:23 < zyp> https://twitter.com/9_ties/status/689707306494271488/photo/1
2016-01-29T15:41:37 < Laurenceb_> troll gold http://i.imgur.com/f6bKCEN.png
2016-01-29T15:42:07 < Laurenceb_> sending to westbourgh baptists
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2016-01-29T17:15:11 < Laurenceb_> balloon guys have a camera board https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwzVllHCGu5FWFpxbHFTZ1BSMTA/view?usp=sharing
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2016-01-29T17:22:36 < aandrew> pizero cluster?
2016-01-29T17:22:40 < aandrew> why?
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2016-01-29T17:23:16 < Laurenceb_> wut??
2016-01-29T17:23:42 < stukdev> what is the Output compare  fast enable? i can't find any information about it, only bit in the register
2016-01-29T17:23:58 < dongs> digikey search is definitely shittier.
2016-01-29T17:24:00 < aandrew> just a guess that it disables some output sync
2016-01-29T17:24:10 < aandrew> dongs: compared to the old one? yeah
2016-01-29T17:24:16 < dongs> and slower.
2016-01-29T17:24:24 < aandrew> but dude, it's like full web 2.0
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2016-01-29T17:24:31 < aandrew> that's worth something, right?  right?
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2016-01-29T17:24:45 < aandrew> I put $1500 on a credit card at digikey last week
2016-01-29T17:25:09 < aandrew> this week I try ot put $138 on the same card at digikey and they stop the order and flag it for additional auth screening
2016-01-29T17:25:15 < aandrew> so I don't get my parts today
2016-01-29T17:26:25 < aandrew> flyback: wtf dude you're everywhere now
2016-01-29T17:26:45 < aandrew> but they let the $1500 order through just fine last week
2016-01-29T17:26:54 < aandrew> isn't it a little fucking late to test a $138 transaction?
2016-01-29T17:27:32 < aandrew> average order cost is about $200 to get the free shipping
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2016-01-29T17:33:11 < aandrew> aha I see why
2016-01-29T17:33:16 < aandrew> the company whose card it is maxxed it out
2016-01-29T17:33:20 < aandrew> so it si not digikey's fault
2016-01-29T17:34:24 < aandrew> so I manually reflowed my first circuit board with a toaster oven, thermocouple and stopwatch
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2016-01-29T17:34:40 < aandrew> got a ramp/soak controller coming in from china for $100
2016-01-29T17:34:46 < aandrew> will work fine for my needs
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2016-01-29T17:41:07 < aandrew> yep, contact cleaner is good stuff
2016-01-29T17:41:14 < aandrew> although I'm actually surprised you've gotta use it in IT
2016-01-29T17:41:22 < aandrew> unless you're doing IT in a factory
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2016-01-29T17:50:38 < dongs> fucksake
2016-01-29T17:50:53 < dongs> Remove Leading Zeroes - Enable this option to remove the leading zero from the text. For example 000AB2 becomes AB2 if the option is enabled.
2016-01-29T17:50:57 < dongs> where the fuck is this option?!
2016-01-29T17:51:56 < dongs> omg
2016-01-29T17:52:04 < dongs> they got rid of that shit in new latidong?
2016-01-29T17:52:08 < dongs> http://techdoc.altium.com/sites/default/files/wiki_attachments/211328/Sch_Dlg-SetupPasteArray.png
2016-01-29T17:52:12 < dongs> cunts
2016-01-29T17:56:44 < aandrew> lol
2016-01-29T17:56:57 < Sync> GG
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2016-01-29T17:59:35 < jadew> dongs, did you buy that license?
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2016-01-29T18:23:49 < dongs> jadew: of course
2016-01-29T18:23:54 < dongs> and delivered and activated
2016-01-29T18:23:57 < dongs> like 24 hours ago
2016-01-29T18:24:00 < jadew> awesome
2016-01-29T18:24:03 < dongs> yeah, thank you
2016-01-29T18:24:06 < jadew> np
2016-01-29T18:25:09 < jadew> I want to buy another one
2016-01-29T18:25:28 < dongs> i think i tweeted to m y pal who also got from there.
2016-01-29T18:25:37 < jadew> hah, cool
2016-01-29T18:25:45 < karlp> who labels gnd as Vgnd?
2016-01-29T18:26:02 < dongs> probably guys @ freelancer
2016-01-29T18:26:05 < Sync> pros
2016-01-29T18:26:08 < jadew> question is tho, are they unique or is he selling the same license?
2016-01-29T18:26:19 < dongs> jadew: err, of course they're unique or else  y ou wouldn't be activating htem
2016-01-29T18:26:31 < dongs> he's proably selling some EDU stuff where he can generate a bunch of htem under their agreement.
2016-01-29T18:26:48 < jadew> that's what I think too
2016-01-29T18:27:17 < dongs> but i dont really care..
2016-01-29T18:27:20 < jadew> but I wasn't sure if they're unique or if it's one for everybody
2016-01-29T18:27:31 < jadew> I don't care either, I just don't want to spend more money if it's the same license
2016-01-29T18:27:40 < jadew> my license ends in XTT
2016-01-29T18:27:47 < dongs> lemme see wat my shit is
2016-01-29T18:27:59 < dongs> diff
2016-01-29T18:28:01 < dongs> 2KG
2016-01-29T18:28:05 < jadew> awesome
2016-01-29T18:28:08 < dongs> anyway, it would be dumb to have same number and shit.
2016-01-29T18:28:12 < jadew> then I'm buying another one until they run out
2016-01-29T18:28:17 < dongs> he wouldn't have sold 500 then
2016-01-29T18:28:29 < jadew> true
2016-01-29T18:28:34 < jadew> but that's how it used to be done 10 years ago
2016-01-29T18:28:40 < jadew> they gave one license to a school
2016-01-29T18:29:19 < jadew> and the school would distribute windows & stuff to students on a CD and give them that one license
2016-01-29T18:29:30 < jadew> anyway, thanks, I'm buying another one now
2016-01-29T18:29:31 < dongs> right, that was back before KMS and shit
2016-01-29T18:29:43 < dongs> there are no more static VL keys
2016-01-29T18:30:24 < jadew> crap
2016-01-29T18:30:24 < jadew> This listing (331748839800) has been removed, or this item is not available.
2016-01-29T18:30:29 < dongs> haha ownt
2016-01-29T18:36:45 < karlp> PeterM: that pigbag reminds a lot of melt yourself down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eoVLfPszeQ
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2016-01-29T18:43:47 < jadew> dongs, found another one for the same money
2016-01-29T18:44:02 < dongs> probly same guy :) i dunno
2016-01-29T18:44:04 < dongs> you can find out.
2016-01-29T18:44:22 < jadew> this guy is from a different country, but yeah, could be
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2016-01-29T19:22:45 < mitrax> uh oh > cc1plus.exe: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
2016-01-29T19:22:56 < mitrax> had been a long time since i last crashed gcc :)
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2016-01-29T23:28:37 < kakimir> http://www.epiqsolutions.com/sidekiq/ interestings
2016-01-29T23:28:49 < kakimir> sterna: please close your connection
2016-01-29T23:29:00 < kakimir> and come back another day
2016-01-29T23:33:06 < sterna> sorry, it's really unstable here for some reason
2016-01-29T23:33:13 < sterna> I'll close and won't bother
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2016-01-30T00:50:41 < kakimir> I think I will speed design 100W led driver
2016-01-30T00:50:58 < kakimir> I have done this once already
2016-01-30T00:51:02 < kakimir> should be no problems
2016-01-30T00:51:55 < kakimir> last one had lpc, had led grid controller, external adc to measure all the current voltages and temperatures of grid
2016-01-30T00:52:15 < kakimir> obiviously didn't ever come out
2016-01-30T00:52:39 < kakimir> looking at my skills +2years back it was pretty hard nut to bite
2016-01-30T00:52:46 < kakimir> and eagle
2016-01-30T00:55:44 < kakimir> definitelly that
2016-01-30T01:06:23 < Taxman> eagle works fine for me
2016-01-30T01:09:44 < kakimir> I didn't find pcb layout editor advanced enough
2016-01-30T01:11:48 < Getty> the problem is finding people who, after mastering eagle for years, even look at the alternatives ;)
2016-01-30T01:12:09 < Getty> in the end you are surrounded by people who help you with eagle, or you try something else totally alomne
2016-01-30T01:12:17 < kakimir> it was too mechanical to work in eagle
2016-01-30T01:12:29 < Getty> "too mechanical"? :)
2016-01-30T01:12:52 < kakimir> I dont remember why I think like that
2016-01-30T01:13:13 < kakimir> oh
2016-01-30T01:13:19 < kakimir> now I remember
2016-01-30T01:13:41 < kakimir> as I push things around in kicad like nothing
2016-01-30T01:14:20 < Getty> you mean the too mechanical like its a real "act" to do things?
2016-01-30T01:14:31 < kakimir> in eagle you draw that trace and it is where it sits
2016-01-30T01:14:39 < Getty> oh that way
2016-01-30T01:14:56 < Getty> i am really keen to get into that blackmagic but my dad successfully holds me back ;)
2016-01-30T01:15:20 < kakimir> in proper editors those wires are subject to multiple kind of manipulators
2016-01-30T01:15:48 < BrainDamage> rubber band movement and push and shove routing
2016-01-30T01:16:35 < Getty> might be btw an interesting question if the name "kicad" has any infleunce on usage ;-) it sounds like a kids-education software, in compare to "EAGLE" (fuck yeah!) hehe
2016-01-30T01:16:44 < BrainDamage> kikecad
2016-01-30T01:16:45 < kakimir> in eagle you can mess with endpoints but that results in bad looking stuff
2016-01-30T01:17:07 < BrainDamage> no, the reason is that kikecad was essentially a toy until very recent times
2016-01-30T01:17:23 < kakimir> eagle sounds like murica fuck yeah
2016-01-30T01:17:24 < BrainDamage> eagle has been there and supporting lunix since more than a decade
2016-01-30T01:17:29 < Getty> hehehe
2016-01-30T01:17:34 < Getty> "the american way to make your layout"
2016-01-30T01:17:41 < BrainDamage> also gave a free license with restrictions
2016-01-30T01:17:52 < Getty> yeah their license politics are fine
2016-01-30T01:17:57 < kakimir> and when you go to their webpage there must be some eagle with stars and stripes
2016-01-30T01:17:58 < Getty> something rare if you are having such a monopoly
2016-01-30T01:17:58 < BrainDamage> so eagle had a limited, but active hobbist community
2016-01-30T01:18:19 < BrainDamage> which is a drop in the sea compared to actual professionals, but still a market
2016-01-30T01:18:22 < Getty> took 3ds studio some decades to understand the relevancy of market share
2016-01-30T01:18:47 < kakimir> eagle is dying
2016-01-30T01:18:55 < Getty> i dont think so
2016-01-30T01:19:08 < Getty> its not growing like it should, but i doubt its dying
2016-01-30T01:22:38 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R5A0pg4oN8
2016-01-30T01:27:16 < kakimir> when I see that eagle photo
2016-01-30T01:27:50 < kakimir> no there is no eagle anymore
2016-01-30T01:28:05 < kakimir> they have modern webpage now
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2016-01-30T01:31:42 < mitrax> kakimir: eh... cadsoft is german
2016-01-30T01:32:58 < kakimir> mitrax: how you solved the sleep/stop problem?
2016-01-30T01:34:52 < mitrax> kakimir: there was a GPIOF that i didn't know about until i checked the block diagram (there's no GPIOD nor GPIOE), so i was configuring the pins to analog mode for every port except GPIOF, that's what caused the extra 150µA consumption
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2016-01-30T01:38:50 < kakimir> and it had like.. 2 pins?
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2016-01-30T01:40:08 < mitrax> no 16, but they're only on the die, not connected on the package i'm using (TSSOP20)
2016-01-30T01:41:39 < mitrax> bed time, 'night
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2016-01-30T02:04:53 < ds2> E14 is F'ing up eagle
2016-01-30T02:21:12 < kakimir> what was best so8-size transistor package?
2016-01-30T02:21:20 < kakimir> about so8 size
2016-01-30T02:21:30 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-01-30T02:21:50 < dongs> kakimir: there are FETs in SO-8 and standard pinout.
2016-01-30T02:21:51 < kakimir> in terms of current handling and C/W
2016-01-30T02:21:58 < kakimir> i know
2016-01-30T02:22:03 < kakimir> but those are shiet
2016-01-30T02:22:13 < kakimir> I need to put out serious power
2016-01-30T02:22:18 < dongs> there are DFN-like things that share SO-8 pinout.
2016-01-30T02:22:20 < dongs> that are way better.
2016-01-30T02:22:38 < kakimir> LFPAK?
2016-01-30T02:22:43 < kakimir> but are there other
2016-01-30T02:22:48 < dongs> everyone calls them something different
2016-01-30T02:22:49 < Sync> gotta use pro reverse mount IR shiet
2016-01-30T02:22:57 < Sync> but there is srs power in dpak
2016-01-30T02:23:12 < dongs> IRF calls it PQFN i think
2016-01-30T02:23:45 < dongs> http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1136.pdf
2016-01-30T02:24:27 < kakimir> some packs have internal direct connection
2016-01-30T02:24:32 < kakimir> some have wire connection
2016-01-30T02:24:46 < kakimir> so even if pack itself can dissipate the heat
2016-01-30T02:24:59 < kakimir> wires are to limit current
2016-01-30T02:27:08 < dongs> are you assburgering again
2016-01-30T02:27:19 < kakimir> not
2016-01-30T02:27:23 < kakimir> this is serious
2016-01-30T02:27:41 < dongs> a serious freelancer.com job?
2016-01-30T02:28:23 < PeterM> irf has several different sizes of pqfn
2016-01-30T02:28:38 < PeterM> iirc the 5x6 is the soic-8 size one
2016-01-30T02:29:02 < kakimir> dongs: I think I didn't get the job
2016-01-30T02:29:28 < kakimir> but I do it anyhow because it's in my project list
2016-01-30T02:29:43 < PeterM> http://www.nxp.com/documents/leaflet/939775016838_LR.pdf kakimir pg 9
2016-01-30T02:30:53 < kakimir> thanks PeterM
2016-01-30T02:31:04 < kakimir> I just came to conclusion
2016-01-30T02:31:13 < kakimir> LFPAK is the way to go
2016-01-30T02:31:32 < kakimir> yes this is the leaflet
2016-01-30T02:31:39 < kakimir> that enlightened me back then
2016-01-30T02:31:41 < PeterM> any of those packages are fine
2016-01-30T02:31:48 < kakimir> sure
2016-01-30T02:31:51 < PeterM> what are you switching?
2016-01-30T02:32:01 < kakimir> serious leds
2016-01-30T02:32:11 < PeterM> >30v i assume/
2016-01-30T02:32:25 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-30T02:32:40 < kakimir> this marketing material says it clear
2016-01-30T02:32:52 < kakimir> LFPAK rulez
2016-01-30T02:33:05 < PeterM> fets get more expensive dramativally after 30v, though 40v isn't too bad still
2016-01-30T02:34:44 < kakimir> there will be pair of 60V and pair of 40V
2016-01-30T02:34:54 < kakimir> input side bridge is 60
2016-01-30T02:35:00 < kakimir> led side bridge is 50
2016-01-30T02:35:01 < kakimir> 40
2016-01-30T02:37:15 < PeterM> mmhm - i think in the 40-100vrange the cheapest package for fets is dpak or d2-pak which is unfortunate because its xbox hueg
2016-01-30T02:37:32 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/NXP-Semiconductors/PSMN5R5-60YS115/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMshyDBzk1%2fWiwlkuHBjkY0VNsauLltP00U%3d what is this price
2016-01-30T02:37:42 < kakimir> basically free
2016-01-30T02:37:56 < PeterM> i consider that very expensive
2016-01-30T02:38:23 < kakimir> 60V and 100A
2016-01-30T02:38:31 < PeterM> considering a 30v 100a one is like 0.03e
2016-01-30T02:38:37 < PeterM> *0.3e
2016-01-30T02:38:44 < kakimir> oh
2016-01-30T02:38:55 < PeterM> just saying
2016-01-30T02:39:04 < PeterM> also, oyu dont need a 100A fet for leds
2016-01-30T02:39:15 < PeterM> like 20-40a max
2016-01-30T02:40:19 < kakimir> and with what package and resistance that 0.3eur one?
2016-01-30T02:40:41 < kakimir> yes PeterM 100A one is just for reference
2016-01-30T02:40:41 < PeterM> the so-8 but its only 30v so its useless
2016-01-30T02:40:50 < PeterM> 2 secs
2016-01-30T02:42:03 < kakimir> some power pack or normal so8?
2016-01-30T02:42:27 < PeterM> powerpak equiv
2016-01-30T02:42:28 < PeterM> BUT
2016-01-30T02:42:42 < PeterM> as i said, dpak/d2pak is much cheaper for the 40-100v range
2016-01-30T02:42:44 < PeterM> http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/Diodes-Incorporated/DMTH6009LK3Q-13/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMshyDBzk1%2fWiwHIj%2f%2f1rPui3zjIn97NVwxXJDIny%2fEi6g%3d%3d see
2016-01-30T02:43:38 < kakimir> okay
2016-01-30T02:44:12 < kakimir> it suits as well
2016-01-30T02:44:27 < kakimir> but if there was thing of maxing those out
2016-01-30T02:44:54 < kakimir> dpak one would lose dramatically
2016-01-30T02:45:38 < PeterM> nah, dpak is still very thermally conductive, the fets that would win though are through hole because you external heatsink them
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2016-01-30T02:46:17 < PeterM> unless you are doing high current (150+a) pulse application
2016-01-30T02:46:45 < PeterM> which is where the copper clips vs bond wires comes into play
2016-01-30T02:48:34 < kakimir> sounds interesting
2016-01-30T02:48:59 < kakimir> +150ampere pulses
2016-01-30T02:49:16 < PeterM> if you want best high current pulse application, something like IRs direct fet are very nice, but real;l;y you should start looking into igbts
2016-01-30T02:50:41 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/NXP-Semiconductors/PSMN1R0-40YLDX/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMshyDBzk1%2fWi5%252b%2f6t%2fTU9Z7k3%2fmiph%252bvqPkSPE8KNxp9g%3d%3d
2016-01-30T02:50:46 < kakimir> quite nice piece
2016-01-30T02:51:25 < kakimir> when gate driving does more losses than the fet itself
2016-01-30T02:52:15 < kakimir> 100A constant current would equal 110mW of heat
2016-01-30T02:52:31 < kakimir> wait
2016-01-30T02:52:32 < PeterM> it depends on the frequency
2016-01-30T02:53:06 < kakimir> more than that
2016-01-30T02:53:07 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/ZRfgKTO.png driving a 3nf fet with 12v at 1mhz is near 0.9w
2016-01-30T02:53:36 < PeterM> that is just dissipation of gate charge
2016-01-30T02:53:59 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-30T02:54:21 < kakimir> that requires some current
2016-01-30T02:54:23 < kakimir> too
2016-01-30T02:54:56 < kakimir> dozen of milliamperes wont do
2016-01-30T02:55:33 < kakimir> 100A constant would mean 11W of heat
2016-01-30T02:55:44 < kakimir> forgot that another I
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2016-01-30T02:56:46 < PeterM> hmm?
2016-01-30T02:56:47 < kakimir> 100A * 100A * 0.0011ohm
2016-01-30T02:56:56 < PeterM> no i think the 110mw is closer
2016-01-30T02:57:28 < kakimir> math it
2016-01-30T02:57:34 < PeterM> yeah
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2016-01-30T02:57:39 < PeterM> i just did 11w is correct
2016-01-30T02:57:39 < kakimir> P = I^2 R
2016-01-30T02:58:21 < PeterM> which is odd because like 2 seconds before i did the math and i got the same 0.11w
2016-01-30T02:58:27 < PeterM> fuckign calculator
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2016-01-30T02:58:51 < kakimir> where do you have 3uF fets?
2016-01-30T02:58:59 < kakimir> 3000nF
2016-01-30T02:59:07 < kakimir> some high voltage ones?
2016-01-30T02:59:09 < PeterM> huh?
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2016-01-30T02:59:20 < PeterM> high current, high voltage
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2016-01-30T03:00:21 < kakimir> I wonder if you could save power by having multiple switching fets that cover different current areas
2016-01-30T03:00:25 < PeterM> but even then its not close to 3uf
2016-01-30T03:01:18 < PeterM> or yoou jsut have dynamic drive currents
2016-01-30T03:01:21 < kakimir> if application requires wide range of currents
2016-01-30T03:01:25 < PeterM> well voltages + currents
2016-01-30T03:01:43 < kakimir> you mean
2016-01-30T03:01:47 < kakimir> multiple rails?
2016-01-30T03:01:57 < kakimir> adjustable rail voltage?
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2016-01-30T03:02:48 < PeterM> adjustable fet drive votlage, so you ahve a 100a fet, for low currents, yo udrive gate to say jsut past threshold, 2v drive ro soemthing, for high current, you drie it all hte way
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2016-01-30T03:03:29 < kakimir> in power conservative application you never drive anything in linear range
2016-01-30T03:03:53 < PeterM> kakimir, it depends
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2016-01-30T03:04:29 < PeterM> your i2r losses from having the fet only jsut swithcing on might be less than the energy of a 10nf capacitor being charged + discharged at 1mhz @ 10v
2016-01-30T03:04:34 < kakimir> I think that adjusting supply you could optimize at least switching
2016-01-30T03:05:34 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-30T03:06:02 < kakimir> but linear range is loss
2016-01-30T03:06:15 < kakimir> it must be not a solution
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2016-01-30T03:07:48 < PeterM> kakimir, with a big enough fet, the resistance in the ohmic region can be so low in low pwoer applications that its use may be fine
2016-01-30T03:08:00 < kakimir> but then current falls
2016-01-30T03:08:27 < kakimir> and driving big fet for little current makes no sense
2016-01-30T03:08:42 < kakimir> then little fet comes in
2016-01-30T03:08:54 < kakimir> nothing compared to gate capacity
2016-01-30T03:09:03 < kakimir> drives that few amperes
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2016-01-30T03:10:23 < PeterM> kakimir, what if you jsut drove yoru big fet to the same vgs = rdson as the little fet to reduce switchign losses instead is what im saying
2016-01-30T03:10:43 < kakimir> hmm
2016-01-30T03:10:59 < kakimir> oh I got it now
2016-01-30T03:11:12 < kakimir> now I understood what you mean
2016-01-30T03:11:26 < kakimir> but does it even compete?
2016-01-30T03:11:40 < PeterM> so say you have 800a fet, has 0.00001 rds on at 20v, and little fet that has 0.010 rdson at 20v, instead drive 800 fet with 2v have rdson of 0.01 and only have to charge/discharge tiny gate energy
2016-01-30T03:12:02 < PeterM> no idea
2016-01-30T03:12:05 < kakimir> but is it even close to equal
2016-01-30T03:12:41 < kakimir> doesn't it just fall lineary by the voltage you drop
2016-01-30T03:12:46 < PeterM> no
2016-01-30T03:13:27 < PeterM> rds vs vds is pretty logarithmic
2016-01-30T03:14:14 < PeterM> ie, 0-1v = 1meg -1 ohm, 1-2v is 1ohm-0.01ohm 2v-20v is 0.01 ohm to 0.005 ohm
2016-01-30T03:14:15 < kakimir> I mean gate energy
2016-01-30T03:14:28 < PeterM> og, yeah gate energy is linear but rds is logarithmic
2016-01-30T03:14:48 < PeterM> so very very often it isnt worth while doing full gate drive
2016-01-30T03:15:08 < kakimir> is this method practically deployed?
2016-01-30T03:15:17 < kakimir> in applications
2016-01-30T03:16:09 < PeterM> i've personally never seen it, but i have oftne seen big fets driven with very low votlages (but with feedback, so very high currents can be used)
2016-01-30T03:16:28 < kakimir> okay
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2016-01-30T03:16:35 < kakimir> what kind of fb?
2016-01-30T03:17:05 < PeterM> so you drive the fet ith a constant current, when it reaches the gate votlage, you turn the driver off, so you have low vgs and fast switching time
2016-01-30T03:17:37 < kakimir> ok
2016-01-30T03:17:44 < PeterM> opposed to driving iwth constant voltage, havign fast switching  time btu high vgs
2016-01-30T03:18:47 < kakimir> is there actual constant current circuit?
2016-01-30T03:19:15 < PeterM> yes, but built into driver ic
2016-01-30T03:19:24 < kakimir> what I think is
2016-01-30T03:19:39 < kakimir> basic half bridge
2016-01-30T03:19:45 < kakimir> and an inductor
2016-01-30T03:20:05 < kakimir> feedback line between fet and inductor
2016-01-30T03:20:27 < kakimir> then have it balanced so it hits the sport
2016-01-30T03:20:29 < kakimir> spot
2016-01-30T03:20:49 < kakimir> but if there is commercial solutions I think those come first
2016-01-30T03:22:53 < kakimir> there is also beefier driver that drives the fet PeterM
2016-01-30T03:23:01 < kakimir> that needs to be noted
2016-01-30T03:23:06 < kakimir> in total
2016-01-30T03:27:12 < kakimir> optimizing switching aint that simple I thought
2016-01-30T03:30:06 < kakimir> it goes out of hand when you go towards total figure
2016-01-30T03:30:50 < kakimir> you should have some math tool skill to have total figures in nice format
2016-01-30T03:34:22 < kakimir> or how to turn mathematical optimization formula into such circuit that does optimize gate voltages real time
2016-01-30T03:35:04 < kakimir> loads are slow though so maybe microcontroller could keep up
2016-01-30T03:35:26 < kakimir> but it's always good to have one mcu less
2016-01-30T03:38:55 < kakimir> hah that job expires on next month not now
2016-01-30T03:39:10 < kakimir> so I make one working unit
2016-01-30T03:39:16 < kakimir> then show it
2016-01-30T03:39:33 < kakimir> before it expires
2016-01-30T03:39:52 < kakimir> receive money just like that
2016-01-30T03:40:25 < kakimir> lose almost nothing
2016-01-30T03:40:40 < kakimir> and get it for my price
2016-01-30T03:41:29 < kakimir> not for some pakistani price
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2016-01-30T04:50:50 < kakimir> terrible song
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2016-01-30T06:33:25 < englishman> no chats except beakymir
2016-01-30T06:33:37 < englishman> everyone switched to pic32?
2016-01-30T06:33:56 < dongs> gotta do something with those reels from zano
2016-01-30T06:34:00 < dongs> might as well use them
2016-01-30T06:34:17 < englishman> and chip programmer for just £700!
2016-01-30T06:34:26 < kakimir> so pic32 is better than stm32?
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2016-01-30T06:38:58 < dongs> fucking altidong
2016-01-30T06:39:09 < dongs> updating schema to new pcb, ALL designators end up on bototm layer, mirrored
2016-01-30T06:39:11 < dongs> ?!
2016-01-30T06:42:25 < dongs> thanks captain obvious
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2016-01-30T08:32:14 < dongs> isit ok to swap tx/rx transformers on external magnetics?
2016-01-30T08:33:00 < dongs> guessing: no
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2016-01-30T10:34:30 < zyp> idk, aren't they symmetric?
2016-01-30T10:35:39 < PeterM> i thought it waz fine
2016-01-30T10:35:43 < zyp> I mean, with auto mdi/mdi-x, the phy can swap tx/rx pairs to match the cable, so then you'll swap tx/rx completely
2016-01-30T10:35:44 < PeterM> yeah
2016-01-30T10:35:54 < PeterM> thats my thinking
2016-01-30T10:36:12 < zyp> and gbe is bidirectional on all four pairs
2016-01-30T10:36:30 < zyp> so surely there's no fixed direction on any pair
2016-01-30T10:43:50 < dongs> orly
2016-01-30T10:44:34 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/V6P4iK4.png
2016-01-30T10:44:46 < dongs> so are you saying i can switch tx/rx pairs?
2016-01-30T10:45:24 < dongs> what a bout +/-
2016-01-30T10:45:32 < zyp> like I said, the phy will do it itself if it determines that the pairs needs to be crossed
2016-01-30T10:45:34 < dongs> i should try routing this first before asking dumb stuff
2016-01-30T10:45:42 < dongs> maybe its all ok
2016-01-30T10:46:00 < zyp> so surely it's okay if you do it in layout
2016-01-30T10:46:54 < dongs> ah yeah, rx/tx swap isnt the problem but +- is
2016-01-30T10:47:31 < jpa-> i think you could +/- swap also if you do it on both sides, i.e. swap the phy pins and swap the rj45 pins
2016-01-30T10:47:44 < PeterM> i was jsut about to say what jpa said
2016-01-30T10:47:55 < zyp> yeah
2016-01-30T10:47:56 < kakimir> can you make kikecad show hot and cold like that
2016-01-30T10:48:19 < jpa-> yeah, it is pretty simple, 1. uninstall kikecad 2. install altium
2016-01-30T10:48:20 < zyp> but I'd avoid swapping +/- on only one side, that'll invert the signal
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2016-01-30T11:16:26 < dongs> yeah both are inverted
2016-01-30T11:16:38 < dongs> but theres plenty of space to rotate it between pins...
2016-01-30T11:16:41 < dongs> using some giant magnetics thing
2016-01-30T11:17:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/i0dWI8p.png
2016-01-30T11:18:10 < dongs> so 1,3 14,16 are same?
2016-01-30T11:18:24 < dongs> if I swap 1,3->3,1 and 14,16->16,14
2016-01-30T11:18:41 < dongs> does that shitty black mark mean anything
2016-01-30T11:18:54 < dongs> like START OF MAGNETIC FLUX DO NOT RUN IN REVERSE
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2016-01-30T11:20:39 < dongs> im gonna go with: it can be swapped.
2016-01-30T11:22:38 < jpa-> that black mark just means "this side is the same as the other mark"
2016-01-30T11:22:50 < dongs> like 1:1 or something?
2016-01-30T11:23:12 < kakimir> hmm
2016-01-30T11:23:41 < kakimir> dongs is not best with magnetics
2016-01-30T11:23:55 < jpa-> maybe it needs more SMAs
2016-01-30T11:24:04 < jpa-> if you put SMA on every pin then you can swap it around to test
2016-01-30T11:24:10 < dongs> haha
2016-01-30T11:24:20 < dongs> ethernet to sma breakout
2016-01-30T11:24:37 < dongs> https://www.serialcables.com/images/products/SA-AD-88SMA-SPB.jpg
2016-01-30T11:24:42 < dongs> ^ kakimiretard spotted
2016-01-30T11:24:58 < jpa-> oh no
2016-01-30T11:25:09 < dongs> what is that shitty socket on the end
2016-01-30T11:25:15 < kakimir> makes sense
2016-01-30T11:26:11 < jpa-> i bet that cable is also supposed to run differential over twisted pair, and they've broken out the pairs to two coaxials
2016-01-30T11:26:24 < jpa-> i guess you can twist the two coaxs then together for extra credit
2016-01-30T11:26:47 < kakimir> if you want to measure ethernets
2016-01-30T11:27:14 < jpa-> so it's minisas, whatever that is
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2016-01-30T11:27:36 < jpa-> also that board costs $1k
2016-01-30T11:27:57 < kakimir> i have and will say
2016-01-30T11:28:06 < kakimir> smas mean money
2016-01-30T11:28:23 < jpa-> just because they sell it for that, doesn't mean it sells for that
2016-01-30T11:28:52 < kakimir> that is almost what I meant
2016-01-30T11:30:00 < kakimir> ypu dont what to plug that shitty probe witj gndloops to ethernets
2016-01-30T11:30:42 < kakimir> you wants sma to your scope for accurate measurements
2016-01-30T11:32:05 < kakimir> but how shitty that board is for 1k
2016-01-30T11:32:14 < kakimir> unbelievable
2016-01-30T11:36:44 < kakimir> I should buy those pcb side mount smas as soon i got money
2016-01-30T11:37:16 < jpa-> ask daddy for some sma monies
2016-01-30T11:37:28 < kakimir> no way
2016-01-30T11:38:27 < kakimir> taxpayer money tastes better
2016-01-30T11:40:19 < kakimir> then hopefully freelance money
2016-01-30T11:40:36 < kakimir> good for chinabuys
2016-01-30T11:40:38 < jpa-> ah you're taking those freelancer.com jobs posted here?
2016-01-30T11:40:55 < kakimir> not exact ones
2016-01-30T11:41:06 < dongs> freelance more like faillance
2016-01-30T11:44:11 < kakimir> but i think i have one covered as i startand have functional device before job expires
2016-01-30T11:45:11 < kakimir> as its something i have parts in mt shelf
2016-01-30T11:46:24 < kakimir> and unfinished project 2 yeats back
2016-01-30T11:46:33 < kakimir> had some look on it
2016-01-30T11:47:00 < Flecks> [10:48:20] <jpa-> yeah, it is pretty simple, 1. uninstall kikecad 2. install altium << does altium runs on linux? no? crap right there :D
2016-01-30T11:47:14 < dongs> its true, luinix is crap
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2016-01-30T11:47:54 < jpa-> https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=2799    you just need wine to make it match the average quality of lunix apps
2016-01-30T11:48:48 < Flecks> naah, if app runs only on wincrap, that tells a sad storry about devs...
2016-01-30T11:49:10 < jpa-> "What works? everything" "What does not? nothing" "Additional comments? crashed every 15 min"
2016-01-30T11:49:49 < kakimir> :]
2016-01-30T11:50:10 < kakimir> but doesnt those shitty commercial tools do that anyhow
2016-01-30T11:50:21 < kakimir> all hte time
2016-01-30T11:50:29 < jpa-> of course, closed sores keep all the crap in
2016-01-30T11:50:41 < Flecks> ;p
2016-01-30T11:52:19 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-30T11:54:00 < dongs> http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/1516303/22744151/0/1312286999/Dip_rgb_led_diode_5mm_8mm_10mm.jpg any idea what pitch this shit is?
2016-01-30T11:54:08 < dongs> its not .1 right? like half?
2016-01-30T11:55:06 < kakimir> .05 looks like
2016-01-30T11:55:13 < dongs> https://a.pololu-files.com/picture/0J926.649.png?8e8e299f00c606c9d91ff83f6fc9e7d9
2016-01-30T11:55:17 < dongs> OMG POLOLU TO RESCUE
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2016-01-30T11:57:21 < kakimir> good there is someone to cover all the chinese shiet
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2016-01-30T12:03:39 < dongs> http://cdn.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Components/LED/YSL-R596AR3G4B5C-C10.pdf
2016-01-30T12:03:50 < dongs> that polol@u shit was fail
2016-01-30T12:03:52 < dongs> common cathode
2016-01-30T12:03:57 < dongs> who the fuck even use those!?
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2016-01-30T13:20:39 < Sync_> people who love their pfets dongs
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2016-01-30T14:30:40 < BrainDamage> warning, this link might give you cancer: http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/frosted-flakes-blocked-a-bunch-of-furries-on-twitter-and-now#.dy9Bk1wJv ( yes, i know it's buzzfeed, which only makes it worse )
2016-01-30T14:32:10 < crt> what a spergfest
2016-01-30T14:40:10 < kakimir> cancer urls
2016-01-30T14:41:23 < kakimir> what causes furries
2016-01-30T14:41:54 < kakimir> there is just tonne of them per one normal decent person in internets
2016-01-30T14:42:26 < kakimir> they also spread anime around
2016-01-30T14:43:32 < BrainDamage> they are normal people irl
2016-01-30T14:43:46 < crt> crazy isn't it
2016-01-30T14:44:16 < BrainDamage> you'd also notice if you went out more than once per month
2016-01-30T14:44:39 < artag> it's just the ability to be someone different anonymously.
2016-01-30T14:44:52 < artag> dongs is probably richard stallman irl
2016-01-30T14:45:00 < crt> lolwut
2016-01-30T14:45:12 < kakimir> its like being secretly gay
2016-01-30T14:51:59 < Steffanx> Should i even know what this is all about BrainDamage? Tony The Tiger?
2016-01-30T14:52:37 < BrainDamage> it's a breakfast cereal mascotte
2016-01-30T14:53:42 < Steffanx> oh i dont do breakfast.
2016-01-30T14:54:15 < BrainDamage> http://www.totalmedia.com/images/Tony_the_tiger.jpg
2016-01-30T14:55:32 < crt> farrrk
2016-01-30T14:57:14 < BrainDamage> now if only ISE would stop being a piece of shit and route my FFT filter in normal times, i wouldn't have to dick around so much
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2016-01-30T16:03:24 < Taxman> re
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2016-01-30T17:18:03 < kakimir> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/asm-biquad-optimiz3d.txt what is this used for?
2016-01-30T17:21:00 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1454091925123.png
2016-01-30T17:21:47 < kakimir> federal business
2016-01-30T17:23:27 < kakimir> man in the front is shitposting
2016-01-30T17:24:26 < artag> http://sharepowered.com/media/2013/11/asian-signs-f-vegetables.jpg
2016-01-30T17:25:30 < kakimir> what is propability that dongs creates translations for his work
2016-01-30T17:25:52 < kakimir> and no one ever audits
2016-01-30T17:33:35 < kakimir> back to create some beaky driver board
2016-01-30T17:33:55 < kakimir> I created parts in half-sleep
2016-01-30T17:34:22 < kakimir> it be good
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2016-01-30T17:34:40 < Steffanx> kakimir Laurenceb_ probably used it for his fancy light sensor.
2016-01-30T17:34:55 < Steffanx> The project that gave him his PhD.
2016-01-30T17:37:18 < kakimir> how fancy?
2016-01-30T17:38:35 < Laurenceb_> very fancy, so fancy its secret and my thesis is embargoed
2016-01-30T17:38:51 < Laurenceb_> but that code is for a bandpass filter
2016-01-30T17:39:35 < kakimir> why he didn't use equivalent circuit for it?
2016-01-30T17:39:48 < kakimir> because he didn't have to?
2016-01-30T17:40:05 < Steffanx> Too much space.
2016-01-30T17:40:10 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-01-30T17:40:20 < Laurenceb_> there is ADC noise to consider too
2016-01-30T17:40:40 < Laurenceb_> I have an analogue bandpass then DSP bandpass then the demodulator
2016-01-30T17:41:01 < kakimir> oh
2016-01-30T17:41:07 < kakimir> noice
2016-01-30T17:41:26 < Laurenceb_> on my F4 board I just wrote it in c, that runs on my M3 version
2016-01-30T17:41:58 < kakimir> is it fast light sensor?
2016-01-30T17:42:28 < kakimir> and what wavelenght?
2016-01-30T17:42:31 < Laurenceb_> not really - it uses 7 channels of illumination using OFDM modulation centered on 11.3kHz
2016-01-30T17:43:00 < Laurenceb_> 1µm through to 650nm at ~60nm intervals
2016-01-30T17:43:55 < kakimir> what it is sensing?
2016-01-30T17:44:11 < kakimir> does it have light outputs?
2016-01-30T17:44:25 < kakimir> to it's function
2016-01-30T17:45:50 < kakimir> is it corporate secret
2016-01-30T17:46:22 < kakimir> some scientific material spectro something
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2016-01-30T17:54:35 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-01-30T17:55:26 < Sync_> is it free space optics? if so, then that's interesting
2016-01-30T17:56:17 < Laurenceb_> no its for tissue sensing - near infrared spectroscopy
2016-01-30T17:56:51 < Laurenceb_> my thesis is published in 4 months, so you can read all about it then
2016-01-30T17:57:08 < Sync_> ah
2016-01-30T18:00:06 < Laurenceb_> similar to this  http://www.neuroconn.de/brainsight-nirs-2/
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2016-01-30T18:03:37 < Laurenceb_> also here iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0967-3334/37/1/83/pdf
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2016-01-30T18:11:51 < kakimir> Laurenceb is smart guy after all
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2016-01-30T18:21:05 < kakimir> musicspam anyone?
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2016-01-30T19:19:24 < Steffanx> is that like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ kakimir?
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2016-01-30T19:44:36 < realize`> hi, guys. how convert int to uint8_t?
2016-01-30T19:45:48 < upgrdman> (uint8_t)
2016-01-30T19:46:10 < emeb> Strange business on the F746.
2016-01-30T19:46:53 < emeb> the RAM is divided into different chunks - RAM1 (240kB), RAM2 (16kB) and DTCM (64kB). DMA only seems to work into DTCM.
2016-01-30T19:47:16 < emeb> if my DMA buffers are located in RAM1 or RAM2 then they don't seem to get touched.
2016-01-30T19:47:57 < Laurenceb_> how many DMA units are there? 2?
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2016-01-30T19:48:06 < emeb> datasheet has diagram of the bus matrix which suggests that RAM1 & RAM2 should be accessible from DMA.
2016-01-30T19:48:07 < DanteA> <realize`> it's definitely impossible
2016-01-30T19:48:14 < emeb> there are 2 DMA units.
2016-01-30T19:48:24 < Laurenceb_> tried it with both units?
2016-01-30T19:48:51 < emeb> No. the periphs I use are not accessible from the other DMA unit.
2016-01-30T19:52:56 < Steffanx> Caches messing around?
2016-01-30T19:54:05 < emeb> Steffanx: perhaps. Worth looking at...
2016-01-30T19:54:27 < emeb> for now I just reserved a section of DTCM for DMA and that seems to work.
2016-01-30T20:05:02  * kakimir moves in the rhythm of Steffanx music
2016-01-30T20:05:26  * kakimir adds hands
2016-01-30T20:07:23 < kakimir> so good song
2016-01-30T20:08:23 < kakimir> that must be the ultimate red head guy
2016-01-30T20:08:32 < kakimir> so smooth
2016-01-30T20:09:43  * mitrax_ pictures kakimir jerking off to Rick Asley
2016-01-30T20:10:14 < mitrax_> not a pleasant image :/
2016-01-30T20:10:32 < kakimir> let me turn my web on
2016-01-30T20:10:40 < kakimir> webz
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2016-01-30T20:22:42 < karlp> kakimir: I keep meaning to go and try out laurence's biquad stuff and compare it to the cmsis-dsp ones, in a project I have that uses them.
2016-01-30T20:23:45 < karlp> but you know, mine already works, saving more cycles by throwing wizard asm at it isnt super high on the list of things to do :)
2016-01-30T20:23:52 < karlp> you should do it kakimir :)
2016-01-30T20:28:18 < Steffanx> Go kakimir, go kakimir
2016-01-30T20:30:06 < karlp> heh, went to add peterm's nxp link to the universal so8 footprint to zypsnips.  was already there .)
2016-01-30T20:31:36 < kakimir> I dont even know what you expect me to do
2016-01-30T20:31:37 < kakimir> and why
2016-01-30T20:33:38 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/pol/src/1454111793683.jpg
2016-01-30T20:44:06 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmI-hGthrwA
2016-01-30T20:44:06 < karlp> actual music spam, countering the dutch influence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDaMm1ydQDQ
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2016-01-30T21:36:11 < emeb> Hmm... cycle counter doesn't appear to work in F746. Unless there are more things needed to turn it on than in the F4
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2016-01-30T22:55:21 < emeb> weird - can't read back a '1' in the DWT->CTRL CYCCNTENA bit even after writing it.
2016-01-30T22:55:35 < emeb> some kind of write protection?
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2016-01-30T23:56:27 < jadew> anyone here got one of those cheap 40W laser cutters?
2016-01-30T23:58:51 < jadew> I would need a much more powerful laser for that
2016-01-30T23:59:46 < jadew> I'm wondering if it can cut through sheet metal, 0.1 mm sheets and how thick the cut would be
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2016-01-31T00:00:27 < jadew> I need a < 0.1 mm thick cut
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2016-01-31T00:08:54 < karlp> gratuitous arduino pinning, because why not? http://www.microsemi.com/products/fpga-soc/design-resources/dev-kits/smartfusion2/kickstart-kit
2016-01-31T00:10:49 < jadew> makes me sad whenever I see something like that
2016-01-31T00:11:06 < jadew> can you imagine how the engineers who have to design those boards are feeling?
2016-01-31T00:11:23 < karlp> meh, they gotta put the pins there to be used anyway right? and now they get to say "yay arduino"
2016-01-31T00:11:24 < jadew> "ok... this feels like the bottom of my career..."
2016-01-31T00:11:33 < karlp> and you can buy "arduino protoshields" cheap now.
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2016-01-31T00:11:43 < karlp> but yeah, totally pointless.
2016-01-31T00:12:05 < jadew> like anyone who makes anything at a professional level would use arduino shields
2016-01-31T00:12:46 < karlp> whatever cheap bits around lying around, why ignore just it because it says arduino on it?
2016-01-31T00:13:03 < jadew> R2COM, I imagine that engineers are proud people
2016-01-31T00:13:14 < jadew> and proud people hate it when they're asked to build something stupid
2016-01-31T00:13:27 < jadew> they are doing it, but it doesn't mean they don't hate it
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2016-01-31T00:14:43 < jadew> there's more to this tho
2016-01-31T00:14:56 < jadew> most of these boards are not meant for arduino users!
2016-01-31T00:15:10 < jadew> they are meant for other engineers
2016-01-31T00:15:19 < jadew> and they too, don't have arduino shields
2016-01-31T00:15:34 < jadew> I'm aware of that
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2016-01-31T00:42:18 < Laurenceb_> www.gifs.com/gif/ADP4g7
2016-01-31T00:59:10 < artag> that smartfusion chip does seem like an odd match with arduino. But I'd disagree that we avoid them : if I want to try something out am I going to grab an arduino board that's ready to go or do a schematic, lay out a board, wait for a pcb, assemble it ... that's stupid when I can buy one for £10 in mapline or £1 off ebay.
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2016-01-31T00:59:38 < artag> of cource, i won't make a product out of it. But if it saves me wasting time I'll happily use it
2016-01-31T01:00:39 < kakimir> my last headphones going
2016-01-31T01:00:43 < kakimir> god damn
2016-01-31T01:00:51 < artag> mind I'm might impressed that they've got bifilament LEDs on that board ..
2016-01-31T01:04:49 < kakimir> say what
2016-01-31T01:04:57 < kakimir> on board?
2016-01-31T01:05:42 < artag> that smartfusion2 dev board, it has some things they call bifilament leds
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2016-01-31T01:06:19 < artag> so yeah, definitely a marketing-led product :)
2016-01-31T01:08:18 < kakimir> show it
2016-01-31T01:08:54 < artag> http://www.microsemi.com/products/fpga-soc/design-resources/dev-kits/smartfusion2/kickstart-kit
2016-01-31T01:09:01 < artag> bottom right corner
2016-01-31T01:10:06 < kakimir> single color per chip?
2016-01-31T01:10:28 < kakimir> or color led
2016-01-31T01:10:34 < artag> nah, just red/green leds. but FILAMENT ?
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2016-01-31T01:18:32 < kakimir> those are just marketing terms
2016-01-31T01:24:43 < kakimir> they are on coke.. marketing sector
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2016-01-31T02:00:18 < kakimir> are those 200W led chip any sense to it?
2016-01-31T02:00:22 < kakimir> chinese
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2016-01-31T02:00:32 < kakimir> or how big ever they already sell
2016-01-31T02:01:44 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/120W-150W-200W-300W-500W-High-Power-LED-Cool-White-Warm-White-Blue-Green-Light-/231257083883
2016-01-31T02:01:48 < kakimir> okay..
2016-01-31T02:02:00 < kakimir> could that even be legit
2016-01-31T02:03:13 < PeterM> kakimir, there probably is 120x or 150x or 500x 1w leds in them, but since they arent matched leds and no current balancing resistors its gonna get real ugly
2016-01-31T02:03:37 < kakimir> get ugly fast
2016-01-31T02:04:00 < Lux> even those 50W ones don't last long
2016-01-31T02:04:16 < PeterM> yeah, you have to bin them
2016-01-31T02:04:27 < PeterM> like, test them at low current to see how evenly they light up
2016-01-31T02:04:35 < kakimir> I need something to stretch muscles of this beast led driver I'm about to build
2016-01-31T02:04:42 < PeterM> and throw out the ones that are obviously out of whack
2016-01-31T02:04:50 < kakimir> 100W chinese wont yet do
2016-01-31T02:04:52 < kakimir> but maybe
2016-01-31T02:04:56 < kakimir> have 2 of those
2016-01-31T02:04:58 < kakimir> or 5
2016-01-31T02:05:09 < kakimir> oh.. I run out of voltage
2016-01-31T02:05:22 < kakimir> not that beast then
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2016-01-31T02:09:16 < kakimir> if some voltage rail goes thru shunt
2016-01-31T02:09:22 < kakimir> and I want to name it
2016-01-31T02:09:38 < kakimir> would voltageline_shunted be good name
2016-01-31T02:09:46 < kakimir> is shunted a word for it
2016-01-31T02:10:24 < kakimir> and what do I max my led driver with?
2016-01-31T02:11:16 < kakimir> I bet cree solution with around 50V output and 10amps or so
2016-01-31T02:11:42 < kakimir> would cost a small fortune
2016-01-31T02:12:21 < kakimir> some people use this chip as CC source to charge batteries and mad things
2016-01-31T02:12:27 < PeterM> there are 10w leds (3x3), i'd get a bunch of those and a bunch of 0.47ohm 5w resistors
2016-01-31T02:12:43 < PeterM> just make up an led array
2016-01-31T02:12:56 < kakimir> PeterM: chinese?
2016-01-31T02:14:01 < PeterM> kakimir, wherever
2016-01-31T02:14:23 < kakimir> Ra Sii Ja
2016-01-31T02:14:46 < kakimir> svetlana
2016-01-31T02:15:27 < kakimir> raindeers
2016-01-31T02:15:37 < kakimir> amphetamines
2016-01-31T02:15:50 < kakimir> *reindeers
2016-01-31T02:17:17 < kakimir> sorry but no
2016-01-31T02:18:49 < kakimir> that is true
2016-01-31T02:19:27 < kakimir> only to say "maybe"
2016-01-31T02:20:17 < kakimir> it's more of a principle
2016-01-31T02:21:25 < kakimir> what exactly about that jewish corporation?
2016-01-31T02:22:25 < kakimir> those scums
2016-01-31T02:22:48 < kakimir> not only english
2016-01-31T02:22:52 < kakimir> but also a pirate
2016-01-31T02:23:00 < kakimir> tell me more about those pirates
2016-01-31T02:24:58 < kakimir> I believe vikings were mere farmers manipulated with wealth and power
2016-01-31T02:25:27 < kakimir> nice stones, nice metals
2016-01-31T02:25:35 < kakimir> pieces of land
2016-01-31T02:25:54 < kakimir> women.. maybe a few
2016-01-31T02:30:31 < kakimir> they werent
2016-01-31T02:37:21 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/100W-Cree-XM-L2-XML2-White-6000k-Led-Module-Chip-Light-30-36VDC-1-3A-10000LM-/151497565761
2016-01-31T02:37:27 < kakimir> decent 100w solution
2016-01-31T02:37:36 < kakimir> without mechanical work
2016-01-31T02:37:58 < kakimir> also pretty decent leds
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2016-01-31T02:45:13 < Laurenceb_> http://pastie.org/10702435
2016-01-31T02:46:25 < kakimir> R2COM: https://usahitman.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/bosnian_pyramids.jpg ks
2016-01-31T02:46:37 < kakimir> is it there or is it not
2016-01-31T02:46:42 < kakimir> your opinion
2016-01-31T02:48:19 < Laurenceb_> ancient aliens
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2016-01-31T02:54:03 < kakimir> doh
2016-01-31T02:55:33 < kakimir> have you seen aliens Laurenceb_
2016-01-31T02:58:56 < PeterM> Laurenceb_, is aliens
2016-01-31T03:02:30 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-31T03:03:01 < kakimir> I had as a child very large brain and still have.. must be x-blood
2016-01-31T03:03:38 < kakimir> like that cartoon scientist mouse
2016-01-31T03:04:08 < mitrax_> pinky and the brain?
2016-01-31T03:05:22 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-31T03:09:10 < kakimir> there is chance it was just a water head
2016-01-31T03:14:51 < kakimir> sleeoip
2016-01-31T03:14:53 < kakimir> <
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2016-01-31T04:34:47 < Getty> Pirate Party conquers Iceland! :D
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2016-01-31T06:17:54 < Getty> hehehe
2016-01-31T06:17:59 < Getty> brazil..... thats my target
2016-01-31T06:18:18 < Getty> the problem is the criminality, but in general that country just rocks
2016-01-31T06:18:40 < Getty> the people are amazing.... brazil is actually the real "united states" of the world
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2016-01-31T06:19:36 < Getty> its a real mix of cultures, given that no "dominant white" impact was there, its like they have all shades of non-white people
2016-01-31T06:19:40 < Getty> who said that?
2016-01-31T06:19:44 < Getty> probably jews
2016-01-31T06:19:45 < Getty> ;-)
2016-01-31T06:20:29 < Getty> hehe no its actually more enjoying the environment
2016-01-31T06:21:22 < Getty> LOL yeah ok, i must admit, when i visited brazil, on the first day, in the first bar, i got cocaine, weed and the kiss of a girl
2016-01-31T06:22:16 < Getty> there are no ugly girls in brazil really ;-)
2016-01-31T06:23:12 < Getty> was actually funny talking with the girl, given that there was no language we both spoke
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2016-01-31T06:23:33 < Getty> next time when i go to brazil i prepare cards ;)
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2016-01-31T07:38:54 < Getty> http://i.imgur.com/YPPL6sJ.gifv
2016-01-31T07:55:41 < ReadError> hows that even possible
2016-01-31T07:56:04 < Getty> no idea, but thats official paralympics
2016-01-31T07:56:39 < ReadError> lol wait so they arent all totally blind?
2016-01-31T07:56:46 < ReadError> so they make them wear the little eye covers
2016-01-31T07:56:55 < Getty> no idea, i bet they make those eye covers to normalize it
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2016-01-31T07:57:01 < Getty> i would bet that half blind is enough for paralympics
2016-01-31T07:57:08 < Getty> but it would  be of course still a crucial advantage ;-)
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2016-01-31T08:31:58 < ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Stm32f0-pcb-footprint-stm32f1-stm32f2-stm32f3-stm32f4-stm32w-pcb-lib-stm32fx-PCB-lib-Free-shipping/32461530005.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_1,searchweb201644_2_505_506_503_504_301_502_10014_10001_10002_10016_10005_10006_10003_10004,searchweb201560_1,searchweb1451318400_-1,searchweb1451318411_6451&btsid=52bdd1aa-e565-472c-bc65-3d44c3128eb9
2016-01-31T08:35:07 < PeterM> why is that a thing
2016-01-31T08:35:28 < PeterM> if its jsut the footprint that shit is like literally 10 seconds to make
2016-01-31T08:36:55 < PeterM> and if you ahve a legit AD copy, altium has all the stm32 stuff i n the vault anyway
2016-01-31T08:44:14 < PeterM> ReadError, http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Flight-controller-schematic-and-pcb-design-file-STM32F103CBT6-MPU6000-LP2992-LP2985-IP4256CZ5-SPI-Flash/1266069_32579549161.html oh noes
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2016-01-31T09:42:51 < upgrdman> typical jap http://i.imgur.com/fqxXgbT.gifv
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2016-01-31T09:59:37 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/a/RIXb4
2016-01-31T10:02:26 < PeterM> backpocket
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2016-01-31T12:24:21 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-01-31T12:24:48 < crt> eh
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2016-01-31T12:49:17 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Manufacturing/Manufacture-Product-for-9520882/ attn zyp
2016-01-31T13:13:18 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/STM-microcontroller-firmware-STM/
2016-01-31T13:13:47 < dongs> oh i rmember this
2016-01-31T13:13:57 < dongs> that guy posted about making that board before
2016-01-31T13:13:57 < dongs> lols
2016-01-31T13:15:18 < dongs> awful looking schematic
2016-01-31T13:15:30 < dongs> who the fuck uses buses like that, much abuse
2016-01-31T13:16:52 < dongs> job4qyx
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2016-01-31T13:27:22 < crt> http://i.4cdn.org/b/1454239588527.jpg
2016-01-31T13:27:25 < crt> nsfw
2016-01-31T13:27:54 < jpa-> not worth viewing, either
2016-01-31T13:29:42 < dongs> trash
2016-01-31T13:30:02 < dongs> dont drop down to Laurenceb level
2016-01-31T13:30:45 < crt> haha
2016-01-31T13:34:01 < Steffanx> this isnt Laurenceb level. Laurenceb doesnt do naked unless its some old granny.
2016-01-31T13:36:06 < jpa-> yeah, to fit in it should be disgusting in addition to nsfw and useless
2016-01-31T13:36:54 < Steffanx> useless.. dont forget some of us dont have a parrot.
2016-01-31T13:38:06 < jpa-> everyone has google, though
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2016-01-31T13:45:53 < kakimir> typical brittish chick before gaining weight
2016-01-31T13:46:48 < kakimir> rare shoot
2016-01-31T13:52:23 < Steffanx> yankee you mean.
2016-01-31T13:52:23 < crt> [:
2016-01-31T13:52:40 < dongs> is crt another pumper?
2016-01-31T13:55:32 < crt> the one and only
2016-01-31T13:56:12 < kakimir> pumper in what meaning of the word?
2016-01-31T14:00:37 < crt> kakimir, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pumper&defid=89726
2016-01-31T14:00:48 < crt> clearly this is what he means
2016-01-31T14:01:35 < jpa-> *would love to
2016-01-31T14:01:43 < dongs> kakimir: trolling scumgroup on irc
2016-01-31T14:02:09 < dongs> usually very unfunny
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2016-01-31T14:03:16 < crt> is this a comedy lounge now?
2016-01-31T14:03:27 < kakimir> oh
2016-01-31T14:03:57 < kakimir> I'm so lazy
2016-01-31T14:04:07 < crt> tis why i'm here...
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2016-01-31T14:04:27 < kakimir> I don't feel like drawing a 4 leaded shunt symbol
2016-01-31T14:04:36 < crt> i don't want to lay out this board.
2016-01-31T14:04:46 < crt> can't we just pay someone else to do it?
2016-01-31T14:04:51 < dongs> im laying out this dicklancer board and im still here
2016-01-31T14:04:53 < kakimir> you need to freelance it?
2016-01-31T14:04:57 < kakimir> crt:
2016-01-31T14:05:13 < crt> nah
2016-01-31T14:05:44 < kakimir> recommend inexpencives smd shunt series with senseleads?
2016-01-31T14:05:56 < dongs> kakimir: doesnt come in SMA
2016-01-31T14:06:15 < kakimir> smd will be fine
2016-01-31T14:06:30 < jpa-> if more than 1 mohm, just put it in your pad layout and it'll be fine
2016-01-31T14:07:14 < kakimir> put what where?
2016-01-31T14:07:45 < jpa-> http://www.analog.com/library/analogDialogue/archives/46-06/shunt_resistors.html
2016-01-31T14:08:05 < jpa-> http://www.ti.com/ods/images/SNVS829C/30191552.png   even just this works pretty well
2016-01-31T14:08:20 < dongs> nice
2016-01-31T14:08:25 < dongs> fake pattern?
2016-01-31T14:08:41 < dongs> or rather, shunt pattern and then just draw traces from under it?
2016-01-31T14:08:49 < kakimir> hmm
2016-01-31T14:08:53 < jpa-> dongs: yeah
2016-01-31T14:08:53 < kakimir> interestings
2016-01-31T14:08:56 < dongs> pro
2016-01-31T14:09:56 < kakimir> how about those shunts with seperate pads for sense?
2016-01-31T14:10:18 < dongs> i can understand why you dont wanna make footprints
2016-01-31T14:10:21 < dongs> cuz its so hard to do in kikecad
2016-01-31T14:10:35 < kakimir> I said nothing about that
2016-01-31T14:10:38 < jpa-> they are nice if you need high accuracy low shunts without needing to calibrate; but at that point you usually don't mind it costing a bit extra
2016-01-31T14:10:43 < kakimir> I'm too lazy to draw a symbol
2016-01-31T14:10:49 < kakimir> with 4 pins
2016-01-31T14:10:57 < dongs> it takes literally seconds in altium
2016-01-31T14:11:01 < dongs> how long does it take in kikecad
2016-01-31T14:11:08 < kakimir> jpa-: those are expencives
2016-01-31T14:11:14 < crt> it shouldn't take that fucking long, 10 mins iirc
2016-01-31T14:11:28 < dongs> i'm super lazy and every symbol i draw has silkscreen + 3d model
2016-01-31T14:11:29 < crt> just mod an existing thing takes fk all
2016-01-31T14:11:30 < kakimir> dongs: like 10seconds per pin
2016-01-31T14:11:35 < kakimir> then draw a box
2016-01-31T14:11:38 < kakimir> save
2016-01-31T14:11:41 < kakimir> leave
2016-01-31T14:11:46 < kakimir> loade it in project
2016-01-31T14:11:48 < kakimir> use
2016-01-31T14:12:02 < kakimir> total... 2minutes?
2016-01-31T14:12:04 < jpa-> the shunts on VESC had separate sense leads and were something crazy like $3 per piece; i ended up replacing them with just basic 2512 resistors after all
2016-01-31T14:12:24 < crt> probably 2 hours in eagle...
2016-01-31T14:12:36 < dongs> jpa-: heh nice
2016-01-31T14:12:52 < kakimir> jpa-: do you have fancy footprint utilixed?
2016-01-31T14:13:07 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Fritzing-Custom-Part-Creation-9522091/ this jew keeps trying to hire people to do fritzing parts
2016-01-31T14:13:15 < jpa-> though they were 1mohm and there are talks about 100A or something, so i guess it makes some sense there; but i just needed 5mohm and 15A
2016-01-31T14:13:33 < jpa-> kakimir: you can find it in vesc github if you want
2016-01-31T14:14:33 < kakimir> interesting
2016-01-31T14:14:51 < jpa-> not really, it is only 4 square pads
2016-01-31T14:20:59 < crt> nice
2016-01-31T14:21:41 < crt> i'm guessing you're using a vector control scheme?
2016-01-31T14:21:54 < jpa-> sure, not that i'm using vesc code anymore
2016-01-31T14:22:22 < crt> ok
2016-01-31T14:22:39 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/ebike-controller/blob/master/src/motor_control.c#L81   felt like fooling around and made some silly "hey i just learned about FOC, lets see what this does" code
2016-01-31T14:23:37 < crt> neat, i touched on it using simulink (ugggh) fair while ago... years even
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2016-01-31T14:31:29 < zyp> dongs, no, eagle
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2016-01-31T14:34:45 < kakimir> how many preset UV levels should I have in my led driver
2016-01-31T14:34:58 < jpa-> uv levels?
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2016-01-31T14:35:13 < kakimir> for lipos and other sources
2016-01-31T14:35:20 < jpa-> ?
2016-01-31T14:35:28 < dongs> finally stonerboard routed
2016-01-31T14:35:30 < dongs> except for GND
2016-01-31T14:35:33 < dongs> time to pour
2016-01-31T14:35:36 < kakimir> to put it in shutdown if voltagelevel doesn't exceed
2016-01-31T14:35:38 < crt> wtf is stonerboard?
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2016-01-31T14:36:15 < jpa-> kakimir: just put a trimmer, if you don't yet know the voltage; if you know the voltage at the time of assembly, just pick the resistors when you solder them on
2016-01-31T14:36:25 < kakimir> hey
2016-01-31T14:36:33 < kakimir> that is a good idea
2016-01-31T14:36:55 < kakimir> trimmer as one of fixed values
2016-01-31T14:37:06 < kakimir> "fixed"
2016-01-31T14:37:17 < kakimir> move jumper to that and it's trimmer controlled
2016-01-31T14:37:47 < dongs> nice
2016-01-31T14:37:51 < dongs> only 2 drc errors afer pour
2016-01-31T14:37:55 < dongs> thats how I roll
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2016-01-31T14:38:03 < dongs> oh, and those arent  even net  related
2016-01-31T14:38:12 < kakimir> some style errors?
2016-01-31T14:38:19 < kakimir> nothing important
2016-01-31T14:38:26 < dongs> hole too big
2016-01-31T14:38:30 < dongs> just cuz i didnt edit max drill rule
2016-01-31T14:42:57 < ReadError> dongs a vapist board?
2016-01-31T14:43:02 < dongs> yes
2016-01-31T14:43:04 < dongs> a MOD
2016-01-31T14:43:09 < dongs> for SUBOHMING
2016-01-31T14:43:23 < ReadError> neato
2016-01-31T14:43:51 < crt> is this for yourself?
2016-01-31T14:44:10 < ReadError> doing the fancy nickel coil shit?
2016-01-31T14:44:13 < ReadError> for the temp feedback
2016-01-31T14:44:34 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Remote-Shell-Key-Insert-Battery-Clip-For-Mercedes-Benz-C-E-R-CL-CLK-SL-SLK-/141806582630 what is that red button for?
2016-01-31T14:44:49 < kakimir> is there some law in some country to have such
2016-01-31T14:44:50 < zyp> dongs, haha
2016-01-31T14:45:10 < crt> rape alarm kakimir
2016-01-31T14:45:48 < zyp> haha, «subohming»
2016-01-31T14:46:12 < ReadError> kakimir law against having a blank key?
2016-01-31T14:46:46 < dongs> zyp, its a thing believe it or not
2016-01-31T14:46:55 < crt> i can't read this http://vaping360.com/what-is-sub-ohm-vaping-and-the-dangers-of-sub-ohm-vapes/
2016-01-31T14:47:05 < ReadError> yea you cant use shitty batts
2016-01-31T14:48:07 < kakimir> do you all vape?
2016-01-31T14:49:16 < ReadError> what does that even mean
2016-01-31T14:50:02 < kakimir> inhale vaporized nicotine?
2016-01-31T14:50:22 < ReadError> you can put other things in them my friend
2016-01-31T14:50:40 < crt> such as?
2016-01-31T14:50:51 < ReadError> concentrates
2016-01-31T14:50:58 < ReadError> extracts
2016-01-31T14:50:59 < crt> crack?
2016-01-31T14:51:11 < kakimir> you need different temperatures for different shit my friend
2016-01-31T14:51:20 < kakimir> and you cant be stoned every day
2016-01-31T14:51:21 < ReadError> nah crack doesnt taste as good without the shitty butane
2016-01-31T14:51:26 < Steffanx> but the nicotine is the thing that counts.
2016-01-31T14:51:48 < crt> yeah i thought it was for smokers who didn't want to die (as quickly)
2016-01-31T14:52:19 < ReadError> eh thats probably more popular
2016-01-31T14:52:34 < crt> apparently it's illegal in AU
2016-01-31T14:52:37 < ReadError> but i think people have been vaping herbs before cigs
2016-01-31T14:52:45 < crt> (nicotine based vape stuff)
2016-01-31T14:53:05 < Steffanx> probably more hookah style ReadError?
2016-01-31T14:53:44 < ReadError> hookahs have combustion dont they?
2016-01-31T14:54:55 < kakimir> I had vape pipe before vape was in
2016-01-31T14:55:30 < kakimir> it had flame inlet and some sort of mixer
2016-01-31T14:55:39 < Steffanx> stoner?
2016-01-31T14:55:43 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/K0hfT05.jpg
2016-01-31T14:55:44 < kakimir> under the mixer was grid
2016-01-31T14:55:47 < ReadError> one of those kakimir?
2016-01-31T14:56:02 < crt> oh lol
2016-01-31T14:56:04 < ReadError> ye old glass dick
2016-01-31T14:56:18 < crt> thats a pipe for smoking meth
2016-01-31T14:56:25 < kakimir> :D
2016-01-31T14:56:37 < kakimir> vapor genie
2016-01-31T14:56:47 < crt> my old friend ended up marrying one
2016-01-31T14:57:18 < ReadError> ah that sucks
2016-01-31T14:57:23 < ReadError> horrible stuff
2016-01-31T14:57:36 < crt> his choice
2016-01-31T14:57:53 < kakimir> http://www.vaporbuff.com/i/vaporgenie-08.jpg mixer
2016-01-31T14:57:57 < ReadError> that stuff is getting pretty big in AU isnt it?
2016-01-31T14:58:02 < ReadError> biker gangs and crank
2016-01-31T14:58:39 < crt> to a degree
2016-01-31T14:59:08 < kakimir> did you mean western civilisation?
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2016-01-31T15:07:15 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKMkpwRlN3eDN5Mlk/view?usp=sharing
2016-01-31T15:07:24 < kakimir> there is UV level solution
2016-01-31T15:07:54 < kakimir> I think I need to PTC fuse that line
2016-01-31T15:09:39 < kakimir> and a ferrite?
2016-01-31T15:09:42 < Steffanx> stop using UV kakimir .. ultraviolet ?
2016-01-31T15:09:56 < jpa-> undervoltage is too difficult to spell
2016-01-31T15:11:06 < kakimir> Steffanx: stop thinking ultraviolet Steffanx
2016-01-31T15:11:31 < Steffanx> ok Janne.
2016-01-31T15:12:09 < kakimir> ok Steffan.
2016-01-31T15:12:37 < jpa-> it's actually Stephanie
2016-01-31T15:12:42 < jpa-> Steffan is just a nickname
2016-01-31T15:12:44 < crt> why not say UVLO
2016-01-31T15:12:59 < jpa-> ultraviolet local oscillator? wtf?
2016-01-31T15:13:02 < kakimir> wha is LO
2016-01-31T15:13:05 < crt> lock out
2016-01-31T15:13:12 < kakimir> okay
2016-01-31T15:13:36 < kakimir> UVLO it is
2016-01-31T15:13:39 < kakimir> for now on
2016-01-31T15:14:37 < crt> anyway i'm going to punch myself in the crotch until i pass out
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2016-01-31T15:16:03 < kakimir> that was weird
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2016-01-31T15:16:18 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2016-01-31T15:16:35 < Laurenceb_> https://vid.me/kKD9
2016-01-31T15:17:13 < jpa-> why is she named after an editor?
2016-01-31T15:17:33 < jpa-> ah, norwegian, that explains it
2016-01-31T15:18:20 < kakimir> when you go to helsinki you see dozens of like her
2016-01-31T15:19:05 < kakimir> everywhere
2016-01-31T15:19:33 < kakimir> usually skinnier
2016-01-31T15:19:44 < Laurenceb_> its like 4chan the city?
2016-01-31T15:19:50 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-31T15:19:55 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-01-31T15:19:59 < kakimir> a lot
2016-01-31T15:20:08 < Sync> sounds like a good story
2016-01-31T15:20:55 < kakimir> weird things concentrate to one place because the rest of the country is untolerating and old style
2016-01-31T15:21:14 < dongs> fat fuck
2016-01-31T15:22:39 < kakimir> also I think seas have brougth weird people there
2016-01-31T15:24:31 < kakimir> http://www.hel-looks.com/ street style
2016-01-31T15:26:14 < Laurenceb_> LOL
2016-01-31T15:27:09 < Laurenceb_> http://www.hel-looks.com/20150522_18/
2016-01-31T15:29:15 < Laurenceb_> spot the radfem
2016-01-31T15:29:20 < Laurenceb_> also its the 80s  http://www.hel-looks.com/20140508_08/
2016-01-31T15:29:49 < kakimir> look how shoetips carelessly point to the side
2016-01-31T15:30:21 < kakimir> or torso
2016-01-31T15:30:50 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: keep browsing and see all the redfems
2016-01-31T15:34:05 < kakimir> these are not furries I referred to
2016-01-31T15:34:17 < kakimir> just local normal people
2016-01-31T15:34:58 < kakimir> I have to go>
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2016-01-31T16:05:28 < dongs> does altidong ipc thing generate a kawaii-looking tqfp etc footprints when you ask it to make 3D step model
2016-01-31T16:05:31 < dongs> or does it just make a box
2016-01-31T16:06:12 < dongs> it used to just make a box, but I made a sawed-qfn footprint today and it made it look real nice with pin1 marker and everything
2016-01-31T16:06:19 < dongs> wonder if it acutally adds legs into qfp
2016-01-31T16:07:19 < zyp> dunno, haven't cared much about models yet
2016-01-31T16:07:40 < zyp> I might for this DIN rail shit, since I got a step model of the enclosure
2016-01-31T16:07:57 < dongs> yaman all my parts have proper lookin models
2016-01-31T16:08:05 < dongs> but shit like qfp i only have a nice model for 48pin
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2016-01-31T16:10:17 < zyp> kinda waste of time to dick around with models
2016-01-31T16:10:38 < dongs> looks pro on your race-to-the-bottom-lancer profile
2016-01-31T16:11:00 < dongs> its not hard, also models (from manufacturer) help to make sure your footprint is right
2016-01-31T16:11:04 < dongs> especialyl for weird sockets and shit
2016-01-31T16:11:06 < zyp> actual assembled boards are more impressive than renders :p
2016-01-31T16:11:48 < Sync> somebody should make hyperrealistic pcb renderers
2016-01-31T16:11:49 < dongs> what was the conversataion before you pasted that old LPC board
2016-01-31T16:11:52 < dongs> i was netsplit or somethign
2016-01-31T16:12:00 < zyp> idk, not very interesting
2016-01-31T16:12:02 < dongs> that was your first altidong board?
2016-01-31T16:12:11 < zyp> no, last eagle board
2016-01-31T16:12:14 < dongs> and kakimir was assburgering?
2016-01-31T16:12:16 < dongs> oh
2016-01-31T16:12:34 < zyp> arcin protos were first altium board, I think
2016-01-31T16:13:28 < zyp> I guess I started on some workpcb before that, but that project was scrapped, thankfully
2016-01-31T16:13:56 < zyp> would have been some shitty avr32 based board
2016-01-31T16:14:40 < englishman> thats the thing about altium, you dont have to dick around with models just 3 clicks when youre makign the footprint and its done forever
2016-01-31T16:14:58 < zyp> yeah, fair
2016-01-31T16:15:11 < zyp> I need to fix my local lib situation
2016-01-31T16:15:20 < zyp> because it's a mess :p
2016-01-31T16:16:16 < zyp> currently each project got their own, mostly copied from previous with additions and changes
2016-01-31T16:16:30 < zyp> but not in a completely linear fashion
2016-01-31T16:16:57 < zyp> I should make some common shit and put it in revision control
2016-01-31T16:20:17 < zyp> hrm, this fucking airplane wifi is rather unstable and shitty
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2016-01-31T16:21:05 < zyp> then again, it's free and better than nothing
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2016-01-31T16:27:21 < englishman> satellite is going to have all that latency combined with everyone else trying to slack or hipchat or facebook or whatever
2016-01-31T16:27:43 < zyp> true
2016-01-31T16:27:59 < zyp> well, the ads says it's only free for gold members and shit
2016-01-31T16:28:10 < zyp> but somehow it's free for me too, idk
2016-01-31T16:28:15 < jpa-> are you a gold member, or are you shit? :P
2016-01-31T16:28:17 < englishman> delta was a scam, like $15 for 30mins
2016-01-31T16:28:24 < englishman> you can clone macaddress
2016-01-31T16:28:27 < englishman> and get it freez
2016-01-31T16:28:29 < zyp> jpa-, silver only
2016-01-31T16:28:40 < zyp> but I could log in with my member id just fine still
2016-01-31T16:29:43 < zyp> looks like it's supposed to be $7
2016-01-31T16:34:21 < dongs> youre progbably gonna get biled for it later
2016-01-31T16:43:06 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xon0c85W1c
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2016-01-31T17:04:09 < zyp> dongs, nah, it's been like this since they started taking payment
2016-01-31T17:04:12 < zyp> (or pretending to)
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2016-01-31T17:19:41 < zyp> speaking of altium libs, how do you guys manage those?
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2016-01-31T17:21:55 < dongs> i have master lib folder that all projects include
2016-01-31T17:22:01 < dongs> as shortcuts, instead of copy
2016-01-31T17:22:07 < dongs> but I do need to start splitting it up
2016-01-31T17:22:14 < dongs> into passives/connectors/iCs etc
2016-01-31T17:22:16 < dongs> its getting kinda huge.
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2016-01-31T17:22:27 < dongs> same folder has models\ with copy of all the .step files.
2016-01-31T17:23:12 < dongs> downside: path is relative in projects, so if I move .prjpcb to another folder on different level, i need to re-add libraries shortcut
2016-01-31T17:24:54 < zyp> hmm, that'd work, but sounds kinda dumb
2016-01-31T17:25:05 < zyp> I wonder if the local vault stuff would work
2016-01-31T17:25:12 < zyp> but I haven't looked at that for years
2016-01-31T17:29:08 < dongs> altidong vault?
2016-01-31T17:29:13 < dongs> thats probably pretty pro stuff
2016-01-31T17:30:04 < zyp> idk, might look at it later
2016-01-31T17:30:45 < dongs> The Altium Vault installation includes an SVN server (version 1.8). It provides version control possibilities right there where you need them, locally, without searching or paying for external SVN management software.
2016-01-31T17:31:26 < dongs> https://techdocs.altium.com/sites/default/files/resize/wiki_attachments/235827/AVInstall_WelcomePage-426x331.png
2016-01-31T17:32:07 < dongs> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/85556/are-altium-vaults-worth-it-for-a-small-company
2016-01-31T17:32:25 < dongs> apparently if you use vault, you're permanently ocnected to altidong even if you're running server locally
2016-01-31T17:32:49 < dongs> ah, didnt read the "things changed" part
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2016-01-31T17:34:14 < dongs> http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1so80k3 RIP
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2016-01-31T18:34:39 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Tracking-device/
2016-01-31T18:34:41 < dongs> haha
2016-01-31T18:36:26 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/QUEG-schematic-pcb-placement-with/
2016-01-31T18:36:32 < dongs> > tqfp80
2016-01-31T18:36:34 < dongs> > 6 layer
2016-01-31T18:36:38 < dongs> > 55 components
2016-01-31T18:36:39 < dongs> wat
2016-01-31T18:37:29 < zyp> sounds like a job for R2COM
2016-01-31T18:38:01 < dongs> ya
2016-01-31T18:38:18 < zyp> and surely 6 layers are enough for that!
2016-01-31T18:38:32 < zyp> I mean, it could be done in two, but it can be done in six too
2016-01-31T18:41:24 < dongs> yeah
2016-01-31T18:41:40 < dongs> i downloaded some feelancer altidong board, it was 4 layers for no fuckign rason at all
2016-01-31T18:41:50 < dongs> other than retard probably not knowing anything about altium
2016-01-31T18:41:59 < dongs> there was like 3 different footprints for smt caps
2016-01-31T18:42:02 < dongs> all in one board
2016-01-31T18:42:06 < dongs> for 1608 caps
2016-01-31T18:42:42 < jpa-> were the middle layers even used for proper ground, or was it 4 layers with signals everywhere and some crappy ground pour?
2016-01-31T18:42:51 < zyp> routing four layer boards is nice though
2016-01-31T18:42:57 < dongs> layer 2 was ground, but layer 3 had nothing on it
2016-01-31T18:43:00 < jpa-> four layers is nice for emc also
2016-01-31T18:43:03 < dongs> top+bottom had awful routing
2016-01-31T18:43:21 < dongs> no grid, components were everywehre, and random footprints for all of htem
2016-01-31T18:43:44 < zyp> and four layers in volume isn't really much more expensive than two
2016-01-31T18:43:51 < zyp> judging from arcin vs LL-board
2016-01-31T18:44:03 < dongs> yea
2016-01-31T18:45:33 < zyp> it's a shame most stuff I do won't justify it
2016-01-31T18:46:21 < zyp> most complex part of routing my 2L designs tends to be getting vcc to all the supply points without breaking up the ground plane too much :p
2016-01-31T18:46:57 < dongs> nice, just trashed explorer by cut/pasting files
2016-01-31T18:47:15 < zyp> <insert windows joke>
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2016-01-31T18:55:35 < dongs> bedtime
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2016-01-31T18:59:25 < zyp> wish it were bedtime here as well
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2016-01-31T18:59:35 < zyp> I need to get better at sleeping when I have time for that
2016-01-31T19:02:43 < zyp> «The most complicated is a TQFP80 processor. The next most is only an SO14 chip.»
2016-01-31T19:03:06 < zyp> what kind of layout do you envision with those parts that would actually justify six layers?
2016-01-31T19:04:33 < zyp> separate grounds doesn't need separate layers :)
2016-01-31T19:04:40 < zyp> idk, it seems to be dongs' new hobby
2016-01-31T19:05:31 < zyp> only if you need to cross them
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2016-01-31T19:28:44 < jadew> yeah
2016-01-31T19:29:17 < jadew> when you're searching for stuff or you're walking an array
2016-01-31T19:29:35 < jadew> (and it requires a callback)
2016-01-31T19:30:14 < jadew> it's much cleaner, because you don't have to define a new function for a one-time behaviour
2016-01-31T19:30:31 < jadew> it was possible before c++11 too, through boost
2016-01-31T19:31:05 < jadew> it's a library
2016-01-31T19:31:13 < jadew> most of the c++11 features came from there
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2016-01-31T19:31:22 < zyp> eh, I prefer the new for-syntax for walking arrays
2016-01-31T19:31:35 < jadew> zyp, yeah, me too
2016-01-31T19:31:51 < zyp> yeah, boost is like a sandbox for various stuff, and the good parts eventually ends up being adopted by the core language
2016-01-31T19:31:56 < jadew> but if it's something that requires a callback, there isn't much you can do
2016-01-31T19:32:03 < zyp> boost is also full of weird shit :p
2016-01-31T19:32:06 < jpa-> it's silly how much boost manages to get out of c++ templates
2016-01-31T19:32:11 < jadew> yeah, it is
2016-01-31T19:32:22 < jpa-> the code is absolutely incomprehensible, also
2016-01-31T19:32:23 < zyp> jadew, true
2016-01-31T19:32:27 < jadew> and most importantly, boost is not written by noobs
2016-01-31T19:33:02 < zyp> lambdas with variable capture might end up being the reason I start using a heap
2016-01-31T19:33:04 < jadew> jpa-, yeah, but I think that's due to the coding styule convention
2016-01-31T19:33:38 < zyp> because lambdas without variable capture is rather limited in usability
2016-01-31T19:34:02 < zyp> and variable capture needs a heap to allocate space for the captured stuff
2016-01-31T19:34:16 < mitrax_> jadew: not so much the coding style but the metaprogramming template hacks that are required to achieve the wanted functionallity
2016-01-31T19:34:30 < jadew> mitrax_, yeah, I guess that too
2016-01-31T19:35:03 < zyp> I've been thinking about adding an async framework to laks
2016-01-31T19:35:07 < mitrax_> jadew: i mean i  have a hard time reading code *I* wrote that involves metaprogramming :) requires extreme focus to actually understand how things work
2016-01-31T19:35:16 < zyp> but I haven't figured out a nice way to do that without a heap
2016-01-31T19:35:45 < jadew> zyp, what's laks?
2016-01-31T19:36:00 < zyp> my utility lib
2016-01-31T19:36:04 < zyp> with usb stack and shit
2016-01-31T19:36:21 < jadew> ah, nice
2016-01-31T19:36:26 < zyp> so usb stack would be first target for the async model
2016-01-31T19:36:34 < zyp> i.e. completion callbacks
2016-01-31T19:36:42 < zyp> probably built on some futures model
2016-01-31T19:37:25 < mitrax_> i did my modbus shit that way, works nicely with lambdas
2016-01-31T19:38:10 < zyp> yeah, only disadvantage is that I won't be able to brag about my completely heapless usb stack then :)
2016-01-31T19:38:14 < jadew> if you don't want to use a heap, you have to reserve from the stack
2016-01-31T19:38:28 < zyp> in whose frame?
2016-01-31T19:38:43 < jpa-> i've sometimes wondered about somehow making local heaps that would be used as long as the object is in scope.. like   {UseHeap heap(g_lambda_heap); do stuff that calls malloc;}  and if one wants, can release all memory associated with that heap
2016-01-31T19:38:56 < zyp> jpa-, i.e. pools
2016-01-31T19:38:58 < jpa-> could nicely restrict the scope of memory leaks and out-of-memory conditions
2016-01-31T19:38:59 < jpa-> yeah
2016-01-31T19:39:08 < jpa-> except so that normal malloc/new calls it
2016-01-31T19:39:20 < jpa-> because modding existing libraries to support pools is annoying
2016-01-31T19:39:58 < zyp> except all the overengineered C++ stuff with allocator support and shit
2016-01-31T19:40:55 < zyp> not a huge concern to me
2016-01-31T19:41:01 < jpa-> yeah, and then you get one instance of code per each different pool :P
2016-01-31T19:41:08 < zyp> :)
2016-01-31T19:41:42 < jpa-> regarding hugely advanced C/C++ features, i'm a bit surprised that common code hilighters do not understand C99 complex.h
2016-01-31T19:41:55 < zyp> heh
2016-01-31T19:42:28 < zyp> jpa-, what's your thoughts on heap fragmentation?
2016-01-31T19:43:47 < jpa-> never actually had it become a problem in embedded
2016-01-31T19:43:56 < zyp> I'm thinking that if every heap allocation has a finite lifetime so that everything eventually get freed, then fragmentation won't be anything but temporary inusable memory
2016-01-31T19:43:56 < jadew> well, is there anything that can be done about it? except adding another layer of indirection and taking care of it whenever possible?
2016-01-31T19:44:30 < zyp> so if you just avoid leaks and dumb allocations, you should be fine
2016-01-31T19:44:34 < jpa-> all my allocs tend to be either infinite at boot, or pretty short lived and release-approximately-in-reverse-order
2016-01-31T19:44:47 < jadew> same here
2016-01-31T19:44:54 < zyp> that's what I also imagine
2016-01-31T19:45:18 < jadew> heap fragmentation happens when you get into thread land tho
2016-01-31T19:45:21 < zyp> good RAII practice should mitigate the risk of leaks and thus fragmentation
2016-01-31T19:45:28 < jadew> because they don't finish in the order in which they started
2016-01-31T19:45:32 < jpa-> only potential trouble comes if one uses std::string or similar to store long data without reserve()
2016-01-31T19:45:57 < jpa-> jadew: i find that they mostly do also, in embedded most of my threads are started at boot or beginning of task, and terminate at the same time
2016-01-31T19:46:10 < jadew> jpa-, even then, if it's RAII, it should get freed just the same
2016-01-31T19:46:13 < zyp> jadew, but does that really matter?
2016-01-31T19:46:14 < jpa-> e.g. if i need a thread to handle some peripheral, it will run always and just wake up when needed
2016-01-31T19:46:56 < zyp> as long as all threads free their shit regularly, then you don't get a lot of long lived objects with small gaps in between
2016-01-31T19:47:20 < jpa-> jadew: i mean, the trouble being that it grows the allocation often, and if it is large compared to available ram then any other allocs in between can make it suddenly not fit
2016-01-31T19:47:46 < jadew> jpa-, yeah, I agree
2016-01-31T19:48:11 < jpa-> i think i have sometimes accidentally malloc()ed from interrupts, nuttx has some silly thing that makes it work (but of course screws up timing)
2016-01-31T19:48:27 < zyp> haha
2016-01-31T19:50:50 < jadew> any idea on what's the cheapest MCU that can both drive a TFT and work with external memory at the same time?
2016-01-31T19:51:14 < jpa-> c++ can be surprising sometimes though.. i once had some   for (...) { object->virtualfunction(); } that ended up reloading the vtable for each iteration.. speeded up like 2x when i made it a normal function
2016-01-31T19:51:44 < jpa-> jadew: as in, it has to be raw TFT, not one with controller chip?
2016-01-31T19:51:55 < jadew> yeah
2016-01-31T19:52:38 < jpa-> dunno if there is anything really cheaper than stm32f427
2016-01-31T19:52:58 < jadew> will check it out, but IIRC that's something like $10?
2016-01-31T19:53:04 < jpa-> yeah
2016-01-31T19:53:13 < jadew> yikes
2016-01-31T19:53:14 < jadew> thanks
2016-01-31T19:53:29 < jpa-> with SPI tfts being $3, that is probably a lot cheaper in the end
2016-01-31T19:53:45 < jpa-> and i don't really see much difference between letting internal TFT controller do it vs. letting external one do it
2016-01-31T19:55:14 < jadew> well, I'm just trying to reduce price, I'll see how much an external TFT controller costs
2016-01-31T19:55:20 < jadew> I'm brand new to TFTs
2016-01-31T19:55:59 < jpa-> though if you want nice panels, they can be somewhat hard to find even with STM32F427-compatible interface as primary market is mobile phones
2016-01-31T19:56:03 < jadew> and the one I'm trying to drive costs $40 from dodgy sources
2016-01-31T19:56:42 < jadew> this is 6" TFT
2016-01-31T19:56:42 < jpa-> http://www.ebay.com/itm/371161579196   i ordered some of these to see how crappy they are
2016-01-31T19:57:10 < jadew> wow
2016-01-31T19:57:12 < jadew> that is cheap
2016-01-31T19:58:21 < jpa-> Tectu has some good cheap tft sources also
2016-01-31T19:59:35 < jadew> good to know, I'll bug him about it when he's online
2016-01-31T19:59:38 < jadew> thanks
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2016-01-31T20:19:18 < kakimir> I need some kind of pass thru case bolts
2016-01-31T20:19:23 < kakimir> that come with isolators
2016-01-31T20:19:26 < kakimir> and nuts
2016-01-31T20:19:37 < kakimir> and caps for connections
2016-01-31T20:19:44 < kakimir> and o-seals
2016-01-31T20:22:19 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QnF_RvEaAg it's time for weird stuff
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2016-01-31T20:25:55 < Steffanx> from this it doesnt look too bad jpa- http://wiki.mcselec.com/bavr/images/S6d0129_2.jpg but maybe the terrible jpeg compression hides it ab it
2016-01-31T20:26:26 < jpa-> usually where they fail is viewing angles
2016-01-31T20:26:56 < jpa-> especially viewing angles being something crazy like "works when viewed at 10-80 degrees to the left, does not work when viewed straight or from any other direction"
2016-01-31T20:27:30 < jpa-> but yeah, i'd expect it to be worth the money anyway :P
2016-01-31T20:27:40 < kakimir> stm32 guitar
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2016-01-31T20:28:16 < kakimir> you can scrap your landola now
2016-01-31T20:28:24 < Steffanx> I always think Tectu joins when tecdroid joins :(
2016-01-31T20:28:33 < jpa-> what about the violin and the ukulele?
2016-01-31T20:28:42 < kakimir> you can keep them
2016-01-31T20:28:46 < jpa-> good
2016-01-31T20:29:02 < jpa-> Steffanx: yeah, it's so disappointing :(
2016-01-31T20:30:13 < tecdroid> nope, it's me.. good ol' tecdroid XD
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2016-01-31T21:12:00 < Rob235_> is it a bad idea to put led strips on a copter without waterproofing?
2016-01-31T21:13:25 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-31T21:13:28 < kakimir> no
2016-01-31T21:13:47 < kakimir> those are just leds
2016-01-31T21:13:53 < kakimir> what do you care
2016-01-31T21:14:10 < kakimir> but having water in your receiver
2016-01-31T21:14:14 < Rob235_> I don't want anything to short out or something if the grass happens to be wet or something
2016-01-31T21:14:17 < kakimir> thats not good
2016-01-31T21:14:45 < kakimir> spray the leds with lacker
2016-01-31T21:14:52 < kakimir> instead of that "rubber" tube
2016-01-31T21:15:05 < Rob235_> oh yea that works fine? that would be good
2016-01-31T21:15:22 < kakimir> well dead weight is dead weight
2016-01-31T21:15:56 < kakimir> if you don't minimize it eventually device has hard time staying in air
2016-01-31T21:16:21 < jpa-> plain water also doesn't conduct all that well
2016-01-31T21:16:48 < jpa-> but yeah, lacquer is a good idea, though you might want to make sure it is one that doesn't get sticky over time
2016-01-31T21:17:04 < Rob235_> ok
2016-01-31T21:17:08 < jpa-> (how? good question :)
2016-01-31T21:17:13 < Rob235_> heh
2016-01-31T21:17:30 < jpa-> i guess one meant for outdoor use would be a good idea
2016-01-31T21:17:56 < jpa-> one that advertises "you can solder through this for rework" does not usually stand very long outdoors
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2016-01-31T21:19:32 < Rob235_> so if the leds short out by some crazy circumstance, only the leds will stop working right?
2016-01-31T21:19:57 < jpa-> the leds won't care; if it really shorted it could burn out the led driver
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2016-01-31T21:20:10 < jpa-> but because water doesn't conduct that much, it will just slowly eat away the copper
2016-01-31T21:21:04 < Laurenceb_> http://pastie.org/10703186
2016-01-31T21:21:12 < Rob235_> ok, I'm happy that I can take these stupid sleeves off then.  I hope superglue will hold the strips to the carbon fiber arms
2016-01-31T21:21:43 < jpa-> Laurenceb_: if it wasn't PS, i'd think it was your C code
2016-01-31T21:21:47 < Rob235_> The strips are so light I doubt it will be a problem, just never tried gluing anything to carbon fiber
2016-01-31T21:22:35 < jpa-> superglue performance under vibration is a bit of a gamble.. either it will hold perfectly, or it will separate pretty fast
2016-01-31T21:23:38 < Rob235_> guess I'll find out, I was going to use clear heatshrink to hold them on (which is how I have it now with the led strips in the weatherproofing) but its kinda ugly
2016-01-31T21:23:59 < kakimir> superclue + baking powder is the bomb
2016-01-31T21:24:11 < jpa-> not really
2016-01-31T21:24:29 < kakimir> I have repaired impossible plastic things that have vibration and stress to them
2016-01-31T21:31:53 < fenugrec> What does ##stm32 use for wire-to-board connections with those super common 0.1"-pitch pin headers ? manually crimped ? china-sourced, pre-crimped tails ?
2016-01-31T21:32:35 < jpa-> whatever is handy in given situation
2016-01-31T21:32:55 < kakimir> china
2016-01-31T21:33:07 < fenugrec> crimping them without the proper tool is ridiculous (been there), so I'm looking for alternatives
2016-01-31T21:33:07 < jpa-> for long-term use, i crimp manually, for protos i use cheap premade china cables
2016-01-31T21:33:21 < kakimir> and rich people use proper sources
2016-01-31T21:33:24 < jpa-> crimping without proper tool is not that bad, and proper tool is like $30 on ebay
2016-01-31T21:34:06 < jpa-> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crimpers-Tools-Pin-Crimping-Tool-SN-28B-28-18AWG-Crimper-0-1-1-0mm-For-Dupont-A-/262136738428?hash=item3d0891327c:g:hmQAAOSwHPlWcTJS   well looks like $10 if you are feeling lucky
2016-01-31T21:34:15 < fenugrec> haha
2016-01-31T21:34:44 < jpa-> probably works fine if you don't need all-in-one strip&crimp automatic tool
2016-01-31T21:35:21 < fenugrec> I have a JST catalog. I thought "hmm there must be some pliers that handle at least a few different types ?" - how wrong. They have like 100 types of pliers for every type of terminal
2016-01-31T21:36:10 < Steffanx> i bought one of those recently. Its not too bad
2016-01-31T21:36:17 < Steffanx> it takes some practice but..
2016-01-31T21:36:50 < fenugrec> oh so they call them "dupont" style connectors too ? I was using "pin header" ... way too generic
2016-01-31T21:37:05 < jpa-> yeah, no idea why they are called dupont
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2016-01-31T21:40:56 < Steffanx> i tried to google that too, but i couldnt find a good source of the name. I cannot image the company called DuPont came up with the name for it.
2016-01-31T21:41:43 < fenugrec> every mfg have their own name for the things, it seems.
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2016-01-31T21:42:33 < fenugrec> lol @ "skill in USA" on the packaging http://www.ebay.com/itm/261527906736 p-)))
2016-01-31T21:42:52 < kakimir> I bought crimp pieces to my crimp tool
2016-01-31T21:43:09 < kakimir> and found that those come in different sizes and forms
2016-01-31T21:43:19 < kakimir> that are not too much interchangeable
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2016-01-31T21:45:24 < kakimir> I wonder if some smd ferrite would work as esd protection kind of too
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2016-01-31T21:46:39 < jpa-> doubt it
2016-01-31T21:46:50 < fenugrec> It would help if those chiny listings showed at least pics of the compatible terminals
2016-01-31T21:47:07 < jpa-> if the charge wants to go, it will go; the ferrite could slow it down but if nothing conducts it to earth crap will happen
2016-01-31T21:47:24 < kakimir> yes
2016-01-31T21:49:05 < kakimir> maybe when chip connection is extended beyond board level there is need to add some diodes
2016-01-31T21:49:17 < kakimir> non protected chip
2016-01-31T21:52:27 < kakimir> shouldn't non protected chips be like really fragile?
2016-01-31T21:52:34 < kakimir> touch it and it dies
2016-01-31T21:53:00 < kakimir> look at it and it dies
2016-01-31T21:57:06 < kakimir> because too high voltages are reached like.without any effort basically
2016-01-31T21:58:03 < jpa-> quite few chips actually are completely unprotected
2016-01-31T21:58:22 < jpa-> and with CMOS technology, the gate capacitance already provides a small bit of protection
2016-01-31T21:58:33 < kakimir> that
2016-01-31T21:58:40 < jpa-> IIRC plain laser diodes are very sensitive, though
2016-01-31T21:58:50 < jpa-> they are usually shipped with wires shorted
2016-01-31T21:59:04 < Sync> they are
2016-01-31T21:59:06 < jpa-> (plain as in no integrated current regulator)
2016-01-31T21:59:14 < Sync> you can also get neat protection devices
2016-01-31T21:59:17 < kakimir> I'm I too bitch to ask my fets to be placed in esd sponge in electronics store?
2016-01-31T21:59:25 < kakimir> instead of plain bag
2016-01-31T21:59:33 < kakimir> minigrip type
2016-01-31T21:59:48 < kakimir> to220 and such
2016-01-31T21:59:49 < jpa-> doubt it really matters, but sounds like a crappy store if it is not an ESD bag
2016-01-31T22:00:00 < Sync> well, I have gotten a lot of fets in just ziplocs
2016-01-31T22:00:10 < kakimir> those are placed in esd shelfes at least
2016-01-31T22:00:14 < Sync> and have not had a failure yet that I could trace to esd
2016-01-31T22:00:37 < Laurenceb_> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-confirms-motorised-doping-uncovered-at-cyclo-cross-world-championships/
2016-01-31T22:00:55 < jpa-> back when i used PICs and had to move them back and forth from programmer to board, i had a few failures; but not sure if ESD or just pins connecting in funny order
2016-01-31T22:01:07 < kakimir> gate charge of to220 fet basically protects it from typical handling static electricity
2016-01-31T22:05:48 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: did you place the motor inside lower chassis tube?
2016-01-31T22:06:06 < Laurenceb_> wasnt me :P
2016-01-31T22:06:55 < kakimir> I think level of sport or such is measured in effort trying to cheat
2016-01-31T22:10:21 < Sync> well
2016-01-31T22:10:35 < Sync> cycling is unfortunately really attractive for such things to happen
2016-01-31T22:10:42 < Sync> or just plain old school doping
2016-01-31T22:10:55 < kakimir> especially that one
2016-01-31T22:11:18 < Sync> well, the motor is a new thing
2016-01-31T22:11:41 < Sync> even in low levels of competitive cycling peope dope like craycray
2016-01-31T22:12:15 < kakimir> especially them
2016-01-31T22:12:33 < kakimir> sunday rider with a bit of stomach
2016-01-31T22:12:51 < kakimir> what would happen
2016-01-31T22:19:41 < kakimir> google image search now goes inside pdfs
2016-01-31T22:19:44 < kakimir> interesting
2016-01-31T22:20:47 < kakimir> hmm
2016-01-31T22:21:02 < kakimir> I have chip that is 1.2mm high
2016-01-31T22:21:10 < kakimir> and transistors that are 1.1mm high
2016-01-31T22:21:18 < kakimir> and I need to heatsink them all
2016-01-31T22:21:30 < kakimir> to bottom of aluminum case
2016-01-31T22:22:07 < fenugrec> I read "scamcity". Sounds appropriate - http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAwWDYwMA==/z/ZUoAAOSwxCxT3JlL/$_1.JPG
2016-01-31T22:22:23 < kakimir> beer can sheet would be close
2016-01-31T22:22:25 < kakimir> 4mils
2016-01-31T22:22:43 < kakimir>  = 0.1016mm
2016-01-31T22:23:12 < mitrax_> kakimir: since you'll be putting thermal paste 0.1mm won't make a difference
2016-01-31T22:23:20 < kakimir> http://cdn.instructables.com/FCT/UD71/GJQEI5FU/FCTUD71GJQEI5FU.LARGE.jpg
2016-01-31T22:23:33 < kakimir> you think?
2016-01-31T22:23:42 < kakimir> okay
2016-01-31T22:25:01 < kakimir> transistors wont really produce little or almost any heat
2016-01-31T22:25:11 < kakimir> driver has linear regulators and stuff
2016-01-31T22:25:13 < kakimir> it will
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2016-01-31T22:41:15 < kakimir> http://blog.surf-prevention.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/modern-express.jpg they see me rollin'
2016-01-31T22:41:48 < kakimir> that is some shy angle for cargo ship
2016-01-31T22:49:16 < mitrax_> we don't give a ship!
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2016-01-31T23:19:12 < jadew> any ideas on a TFT driver IC that can do 640x480 or where to look for them?
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2016-01-31T23:30:20 < Lux> hmm i wonder if those ac/dc modules are any good: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/5-pcs-HLK-PM01-AC-DC-220V-to-5V-Step-Down-Power-Supply-Module-Intelligent-Household/32319202093.html?spm=2114.32010308.4.19.8oKfZg
2016-01-31T23:31:00 < kakimir> that is THT module?
2016-01-31T23:31:01 < Lux> definetly cheap, but no good if they don't isolate properly or burn down
2016-01-31T23:31:15 < kakimir> that price it almost too good
2016-01-31T23:31:45 < Lux> yeah, the recom ones are more like 15$ per piece
2016-01-31T23:32:53 < Lux> people seem to be using them too, but people on the internet tend to do stupid stuff :)
2016-01-31T23:33:10 < Lux> http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1540/110v-230v-ac-to-mysensors-pcb-board/182?page=7
2016-01-31T23:33:27 < Lux> arduino goodness
2016-01-31T23:35:00 < Lux> altough those layouts look a bit criminal... hardly any clearance between the hv side and the rest
2016-01-31T23:36:07 < kakimir> what is that shitty empty page
2016-01-31T23:36:37 < Lux> http://forum.mysensors.org/topic/1540/110v-230v-ac-to-mysensors-pcb-board
2016-01-31T23:36:41 < Lux> link fail
2016-01-31T23:37:58 < kakimir> now that is some safe electronics there
2016-01-31T23:39:42 < Lux> that's actually pretty good: http://lygte-info.dk/review/Power%20Mains%20to%205V%200.6A%20Hi-Link%20HLK-PM01%20UK.html
2016-01-31T23:39:48 < Lux> someone did his research
2016-01-31T23:41:01 < Lux> seems usable, if all are like that
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2016-01-31T23:54:25 < kakimir> test would be complete with 100 of those deployed in monitored conditions
2016-01-31T23:54:38 < kakimir> then report of fail of first 10
2016-01-31T23:54:48 < kakimir> or even first 2
2016-01-31T23:56:48 < kakimir> do you have feet for that?
2016-01-31T23:56:57 < kakimir> pop it out and replace if needed
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