--- Log opened Mon Feb 01 00:00:23 2016
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2016-02-01T00:05:49 < Lux> it'd just be for some hobby stuff, so never 100
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2016-02-01T00:09:49 < englishman> just do a test with sample size 1
2016-02-01T00:09:50 < Sync> hmm, I'm putting my timer at the maximum period value and I get a 100ns signal out of the OC pin wtf is happening there
2016-02-01T00:09:51 < englishman> then extrapolate
2016-02-01T00:10:01 < englishman> youll probably find 100% success
2016-02-01T00:10:05 < Lux> hehe
2016-02-01T00:10:52 < Sync> ah okay, you just need to subtract 1
2016-02-01T00:12:03 < englishman> like almost everything in stm32 is zero-indexed
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2016-02-01T00:17:24 < Sync> well, I never noticed it before in the timer
2016-02-01T00:17:27 < Sync> for whatever reason
2016-02-01T00:17:59 < kakimir> Lux: you need goals
2016-02-01T00:18:07 < kakimir> 100 is hobby patch
2016-02-01T00:18:12 < kakimir> batch
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2016-02-01T00:24:01 < kakimir> dongs will confirm this
2016-02-01T00:24:29 < Lux> for me that's <10
2016-02-01T00:24:42 < kakimir> so what is 11 ?
2016-02-01T00:25:03 < kakimir> goals man
2016-02-01T00:25:05 < Lux> trolling
2016-02-01T00:37:27 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb44bGY2KdU
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2016-02-01T00:38:53 < Lux> enigma
2016-02-01T00:39:07 < Lux> i allready saw one of those irl
2016-02-01T00:39:19 < kakimir> did they run it?
2016-02-01T00:39:36 < Lux> yeah, we even en/decrypted some messages
2016-02-01T00:39:36 < kakimir> looks boring when still
2016-02-01T00:40:14 < Lux> iirc there are not many functioning units left
2016-02-01T00:40:30 < Lux> like <100 or so
2016-02-01T00:40:39 < kakimir> when running it's mesmerizing
2016-02-01T00:40:51 < kakimir> obiviously not
2016-02-01T00:40:57 < kakimir> it's a mechanical computer
2016-02-01T00:44:01 < kakimir> Lux: did you write hail hitler to those messages?
2016-02-01T00:44:28 < Lux> nope
2016-02-01T00:45:14 < Lux> http://it-syndikat.org/uploads/images/Enigma/e2.JPG that was it
2016-02-01T00:45:47 < kakimir> I meant the machine that breaks the code
2016-02-01T00:46:09 < kakimir> if message doesn't have hail hitler or any predefined form
2016-02-01T00:46:20 < kakimir> can you break it at all?
2016-02-01T00:46:37 < Lux> i think so
2016-02-01T00:46:51 < Lux> as no input letter will ever match an output letter
2016-02-01T00:47:18 < Lux> so if it's some sort of text it should be breakable
2016-02-01T00:47:58 < englishman> enigma machine would be a cool android app
2016-02-01T00:48:36 < kakimir> yes
2016-02-01T00:48:41 < kakimir> longer text you make
2016-02-01T00:48:52 < kakimir> more likely it is to break
2016-02-01T00:49:52 < kakimir> I got it now how that machine works
2016-02-01T00:50:22 < kakimir> it's just runs thru combinations
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2016-02-01T01:41:58 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/53KiABT
2016-02-01T01:42:03 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2016-02-01T01:50:33 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/gvFBKWl
2016-02-01T01:51:23 < englishman> she stole snapes cape
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2016-02-01T01:52:49 < Laurenceb_> inb4 stm32 powered internet of woman
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2016-02-01T02:03:51 < jadew> R2COM, probably across the board
2016-02-01T02:04:19 < jadew> the entire frequency range
2016-02-01T02:05:19 < jadew> it probably adjusts it with ps accuracy and then they use a phase accumulator to give the extra accuracy
2016-02-01T02:06:28 < jadew> so there's no reason why it wouldn't work across the entire frequency range and still meet it's short term stability specs
2016-02-01T02:07:02 < jadew> (there would be frequency "jitter" when the phase accumulator would make the correction)
2016-02-01T02:07:20 < jadew> it will happen very slowly, but I guess it's still jitter
2016-02-01T02:07:25 < jadew> well, phase jitter
2016-02-01T02:08:09 < jadew> there's no reason why they wouldn't be able to do that
2016-02-01T02:09:02 < jadew> it would be the exact frequency if you measured it NOW
2016-02-01T02:09:21 < jadew> but if you average it over X time, it would be precise
2016-02-01T02:10:01 < kakimir> http://fi1.eu.apcdn.com/full/135791.jpg how I used to listen music
2016-02-01T02:10:12 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/c0qPkMJ
2016-02-01T02:10:33 < kakimir> now the exact same thing but take away all but laptop and shirt
2016-02-01T02:10:44 < scummos> :D good picture Laurenceb_
2016-02-01T02:10:46 < jadew> R2COM, all they have to do is change the phase one increment from time to time
2016-02-01T02:11:19 < jadew> so they would run at a lower/higher frequency, but due to that correction, over time it would appear to be the set frequency
2016-02-01T02:11:42 < jadew> yeah, mine can do 1 uHz up to 120 MHz
2016-02-01T02:11:54 < jadew> it's an agilent AWG
2016-02-01T02:11:58 < jadew> 1 GSps
2016-02-01T02:12:43 < jadew> 33622A
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2016-02-01T02:12:55 < scummos> that spec is only useful with an external, very stable reference though, isn't it
2016-02-01T02:13:26 < jadew> scummos, not necessarily, it's useful if you have a common reference between devices
2016-02-01T02:13:33 < jadew> and you have X frequency on channel one
2016-02-01T02:13:35 < scummos> ah, hm, true
2016-02-01T02:13:36 < scummos> yes
2016-02-01T02:13:39 < jadew> and X.0000000001 on Ch2
2016-02-01T02:14:04 < jadew> - one 0
2016-02-01T02:14:31 < jadew> 1 uHz
2016-02-01T02:16:08 < jadew> but in period mode you only get adjustment down to 1 ps
2016-02-01T02:16:56 < jadew> must be in the datasheet
2016-02-01T02:17:22 < jadew> http://literature.cdn.keysight.com/litweb/pdf/5991-3272EN.pdf?id=2431617
2016-02-01T02:17:29 < jadew> page 15
2016-02-01T02:17:35 < jadew> Waveform characteristics
2016-02-01T02:19:24 < jadew> it would take a very long while to test that
2016-02-01T02:19:41 < jadew> and my counter doesn't have that sort of resolution
2016-02-01T02:19:46 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-02-01T02:19:53 < dongs> i see R2PRO is still trolling
2016-02-01T02:20:27 < jadew> actually give me a sec
2016-02-01T02:20:29 < scummos> do you need a counter, a scope should be good for that
2016-02-01T02:20:42 < jadew> scummos, yeah, but then you have to wait a couple of days
2016-02-01T02:20:47 < scummos> mmh
2016-02-01T02:20:54 < jadew> so you get a phase shift that you can see
2016-02-01T02:21:02 < scummos> true, about 60 actually for one period :D
2016-02-01T02:21:42 < scummos> don't know how I came up with 60, it's nonsense. I'm tired.
2016-02-01T02:21:47 < jadew> heh
2016-02-01T02:22:13 < dongs> not much
2016-02-01T02:24:09 < jadew> what do you mean?
2016-02-01T02:24:21 < dongs> time to restart for updates
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2016-02-01T02:25:18 < jadew> yeah, it would skip a beat
2016-02-01T02:25:44 < jadew> or better said, it would draw it at a different position
2016-02-01T02:26:11 < jadew> it's possible that the phase shift happens smoothly too, so it's not visible
2016-02-01T02:26:54 < scummos> I mean in the end all that matters is that your DAC produces N full periods in a specific time, right
2016-02-01T02:26:59 < scummos> then you have the right frequency on average
2016-02-01T02:27:00 < jadew> well, you don't have to shift the whole degree or fraction of a degree at one point
2016-02-01T02:27:15 < jadew> you can do it across the entire preiod that you have to cover with that 1 uHz
2016-02-01T02:27:30 < jadew> so small changes in the points of the waveform across time
2016-02-01T02:27:49 < jadew> that would result in lower harmonics too (again, over long periods of time)
2016-02-01T02:28:01 < jadew> scummos, yeah
2016-02-01T02:28:31 < scummos> which is not very hard to do
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2016-02-01T02:30:12 < jadew> you bet they do
2016-02-01T02:31:43 < jadew> depends on how they calculate the shift of the values
2016-02-01T02:31:49 < jadew> it may make sense to count all cycles
2016-02-01T02:31:54 < jadew> and use that in the math
2016-02-01T02:32:09 < jadew> so they don't get bad rounding due to incremental error
2016-02-01T02:32:53 < jadew> yeah, but you round it every time, rather than relying on the previous result
2016-02-01T02:33:07 < scummos> I mean you could even jitter between two nearby frequencies with a certain duty cycle to meet that requirement, right
2016-02-01T02:33:14 < scummos> it would be very ugly spectrally, but it would be ok
2016-02-01T02:34:22 < jadew> R2COM, yeah, but the idea is that you would use current dot value from unaltered waveform + the huge count
2016-02-01T02:34:42 < jadew> rather than current dot value from previously _altered_ waveform + count
2016-02-01T02:35:09 < jadew> that way, whatever error you have on this dot calculation, won't transfer to the next calculation
2016-02-01T02:36:15 < jadew> so, while the change is incremental, it doesn't rely on previous results, but on original info
2016-02-01T02:39:00 < jadew> yeah, less error
2016-02-01T02:39:37 < jadew> yeah, but it's not visible
2016-02-01T02:40:13 < jadew> if it's well filtered, the regular harmonics and all the other garbage will dominate
2016-02-01T02:40:27 < jadew> because the change is very small and happens extremely rarely
2016-02-01T02:43:32 < jadew> well, you have to do the math, you need enough to be able to count 20 MHz worth of cycles for the shift you need with 1 uHz resolution
2016-02-01T02:43:48 < jadew> once you do the shift, you can start the count over, so that's how many bits you need
2016-02-01T02:45:22 < jadew> it's not about the dac resolution or the extra spectral information, but about the expected number of cycles across a given period of time
2016-02-01T02:45:57 < jadew> if your clock can't do 1 uHz and you have to implement it with phase shift, then you'll have to count enough cycles until you perfrom the entire shift for the 1 uHz
2016-02-01T02:47:41 < jadew> the resolution of the DAC really doesn't matter
2016-02-01T02:47:44 < jadew> it could be 1 bit
2016-02-01T02:47:48 < jadew> 0 and 1
2016-02-01T02:47:52 < jadew> it's the timing that matter
2016-02-01T02:47:54 < jadew> *matters
2016-02-01T02:49:06 < jadew> because that DAC has 1 bit of resolution, but it outputs it at 100 MHz
2016-02-01T02:49:41 < jadew> so you end up spewing a 1 for 2 cycles instead of 1 when the time comes
2016-02-01T02:50:19 < jadew> if you had 14 bits of resolution, you would only have to maintain the same value for 2 output cycles if you were outputting a waveform at full resolution
2016-02-01T02:50:32 < jadew> but that's not always the case
2016-02-01T02:51:41 < jadew> the resolution worsens towards the bottom of the current range and when the relay clicks and takes you to the next lower range, you're back at full DAC resolution
2016-02-01T02:52:11 < jadew> well, it's an impressive value :)
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2016-02-01T02:53:54 < jadew> I don't think that's how the math works
2016-02-01T02:54:02 < jadew> you have to take the maximum sample rate
2016-02-01T02:54:05 < jadew> 100 MHz?
2016-02-01T02:54:14 < jadew> that's 10 ps
2016-02-01T02:54:50 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/Expert-Diptrace-required-for-circuit/
2016-02-01T02:54:53 < dongs> oshii
2016-02-01T02:55:03 < dongs> > Components include PIC32MX440F and a 12x2 LCD and 4 buttons.
2016-02-01T02:55:10 < jadew> R2COM, give me a sec to think this through
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2016-02-01T02:55:39 < Laurenceb_> https://gfycat.com/SkeletalHalfAmericanratsnake
2016-02-01T02:56:20 < dongs> Laurenceb_: i dont get it
2016-02-01T02:56:37 < Laurenceb_> missile test
2016-02-01T02:56:42 < dongs> yea and?
2016-02-01T02:56:59 < dongs> did the pigeons die or something
2016-02-01T02:57:56 < dongs> looped it like 30 times and still dont get it
2016-02-01T02:57:58 < dongs> page closed
2016-02-01T02:58:46 < jadew> R2COM, ok, so 1 uHz is 2e13 of 20 MHz
2016-02-01T02:59:11 < jadew> with a minimum 10 ps sample rate
2016-02-01T02:59:18 < dongs> whatcha guys innovating
2016-02-01T02:59:23 < dongs> sounds p retty hardcore
2016-02-01T02:59:24 < jadew> they need to count 10 ps / 2e13
2016-02-01T02:59:48 < jadew> or well.. 2e12
2016-02-01T03:00:01 < jadew> 20 MHz / 1uHz
2016-02-01T03:00:39 < jadew> they need 41 bits
2016-02-01T03:00:51 < jadew> no
2016-02-01T03:01:00 < jadew> that's 2e13 as a number
2016-02-01T03:01:13 < jadew> so 20000000000000
2016-02-01T03:02:10 < jadew> log2(20000000000000) = 40.something
2016-02-01T03:02:12 < jadew> so 41 bits
2016-02-01T03:02:47 < jadew> dongs, we're reflecting upon the 1 uHz resolution of the rigol AWG
2016-02-01T03:03:13 < jadew> it's less than I thought it would be
2016-02-01T03:04:51 < Laurenceb_> nice http://images.cyclingtips.com.au/content/uploads/2015/04/IMG_97051.jpg
2016-02-01T03:04:58 < Laurenceb_> the cheat cycle motor
2016-02-01T03:06:43 < jadew> I think I messed up the math there at the end
2016-02-01T03:06:45 < jadew> give me a sec
2016-02-01T03:12:43 < jadew> yeah, they just need to count 2e13
2016-02-01T03:13:12 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/small-electronic-devices-prototype/
2016-02-01T03:13:13 < jadew> so 45 bits
2016-02-01T03:13:45 < jadew> for 120 MHz it's 47 bits
2016-02-01T03:14:07 < Laurenceb_> http://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/listings/Luminary099/MAIN.agc.html
2016-02-01T03:16:19 < jadew> the jump happens in the values
2016-02-01T03:16:46 < dongs> Laurenceb_: i dont get it
2016-02-01T03:17:04 < Laurenceb_> Apollo 11 source code
2016-02-01T03:17:19 < Laurenceb_> you need to click on the stuff, theres tons of it
2016-02-01T03:17:20 < Laurenceb_> http://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/listings/Luminary099/ERASABLE_ASSIGNMENTS.agc.html#314A41434352
2016-02-01T03:17:46 < jadew> R2COM, I meant ns :/
2016-02-01T03:18:00 < dongs> looks boring
2016-02-01T03:20:08 < jadew> it's in the code
2016-02-01T03:20:12 < jadew> it says so
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2016-02-01T03:20:58 < Laurenceb_> https://sli.mg/a/AzSDNZ
2016-02-01T03:21:10 < jadew> R2COM, for 1 uHz resolution they only have to count full cycles, so that's every 20 ns
2016-02-01T03:21:28 < jadew> and they add 1 to the phase accumulator
2016-02-01T03:22:13 < Laurenceb_> holy shit second to last
2016-02-01T03:22:31 < jadew> R2COM, was talking about the rigol
2016-02-01T03:22:34 < jadew> and it's 50
2016-02-01T03:22:35 < jadew> sorry
2016-02-01T03:22:36 < jadew> 50 ns
2016-02-01T03:23:05 < crt> excellent Laurenceb_
2016-02-01T03:23:53 < jadew> at such a low resolution, you don't have to worry about each sample point for the phase shift, you can just count the cycles and adjust the points based on that
2016-02-01T03:24:57 < jadew> ah, ok
2016-02-01T03:25:41 < jadew> if it's even doing it on the number of samples ;)
2016-02-01T03:25:51 < jadew> it's probably just using the input clock
2016-02-01T03:26:23 < jadew> the input clock for the DAC
2016-02-01T03:26:24 < jadew> yeah
2016-02-01T03:26:48 < jadew> well, 8.33 samples isn't right, is it?
2016-02-01T03:27:13 < jadew> how do you trigger on that?
2016-02-01T03:27:32 < jadew> yeah, which suggests that the clock is something other than 1 GSps
2016-02-01T03:27:41 < jadew> it's going to be agile clocked
2016-02-01T03:27:55 < jadew> so the clock will change with the set frequency so it gives perfect match
2016-02-01T03:28:54 < jadew> well, I think that at 120 MHz is going to be 1 GSps
2016-02-01T03:29:20 < jadew> yeah, but you can't increment at 8.33 because nothing happens at that point
2016-02-01T03:29:54 < jadew> but this screwes up the math lol
2016-02-01T03:30:27 < jadew> actually it doesn't, you're right
2016-02-01T03:30:39 < jadew> it only changes when the phase accumulator should trigger the change
2016-02-01T03:30:52 < jadew> so you can still increment it by 1 every 8 samples
2016-02-01T03:31:05 < jadew> only that the new top value has to be higher
2016-02-01T03:31:36 < jadew> you're making an AWG?
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2016-02-01T03:36:14 < jadew> what do you mean by again?
2016-02-01T03:37:33 < jadew> you mean the points in the waveform? or the phase information?
2016-02-01T03:38:03 < jadew> yeah
2016-02-01T03:38:48 < jadew> that's obvious
2016-02-01T03:38:55 < jadew> it's not instant resolution
2016-02-01T03:38:57 < jadew> is over time
2016-02-01T03:39:20 < jadew> because it takes time for X number of cycles to pass to warrant a phase shift to account for the 1 uHz resolution
2016-02-01T03:39:47 < jadew> but if you count the resolution for 100 years, it's goint to be precisely that
2016-02-01T03:39:53 < jadew> if you count it now, it's not
2016-02-01T03:40:04 < jadew> yes
2016-02-01T03:41:19 < jadew> that's where I don't understand what you're saying, the values that are going to be sent to the DAC will differ from the values in the ROM
2016-02-01T03:41:46 < jadew> I think the phase accumulator is a bit higher than that, because I believe that's only the part that takes care of the 1 uHz resolution
2016-02-01T03:42:04 < jadew> but there's also going to be the part that takes it from 0 to 180 degrees
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2016-02-01T03:43:32 < jadew> R2COM, the accumulator that counts those cycles has to count them only to figure out when to shift the phase the smallest ammount (1 sample)
2016-02-01T03:44:23 < jadew> now, you will need another phase accumulator to take you from 0 to 180 degrees in 1 sample steps
2016-02-01T03:45:37 < jadew> and as the phase shifts from 0 to 180, with each passing 1 uHz
2016-02-01T03:47:23 < jadew> hmm, maybe it's not really like taht
2016-02-01T03:47:39 < jadew> the points would only move between their current position and the next point's position
2016-02-01T03:47:43 < jadew> as the phase changes
2016-02-01T03:49:56 < emeb_mac> what are you people nattering about?
2016-02-01T03:51:28 < emeb_mac> 1GSPS / 1uHz = 10^12
2016-02-01T03:53:06 < emeb_mac> sorry - 1GHz / 1uHz = 10^15 -> 50 bit phase accumulator in the NCO. Easy to do.
2016-02-01T03:53:41 < emeb_mac> yeah so - just take the top 14 bits.
2016-02-01T03:53:55 < emeb_mac> no problem - the bottom bits still maintain the timing accuracy
2016-02-01T03:55:07 < jadew> they will keep the timing right tho
2016-02-01T03:55:22 < emeb_mac> zactly
2016-02-01T03:56:15 < emeb_mac> when to roll over to the next lsb
2016-02-01T03:57:18 < emeb_mac> ya - what's the record length of the AWG?
2016-02-01T03:57:29 < emeb_mac> how big a memory buffer?
2016-02-01T03:57:48 < emeb_mac> that's 26 bits
2016-02-01T03:58:23 < emeb_mac> so top 26 bits of NCO could be address into memory
2016-02-01T03:58:47 < emeb_mac> even if it's just 14 bits out you can have waveforms that are longer in time
2016-02-01T03:58:53 < emeb_mac> or rather phase
2016-02-01T03:59:44 < emeb_mac> yes - that repeat over longer intervals
2016-02-01T03:59:51 < emeb_mac> or don't repeat
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2016-02-01T04:01:08 < emeb_mac> yes
2016-02-01T04:01:42 < emeb_mac> depends on sample rate
2016-02-01T04:02:00 < emeb_mac> sample rate / 2^(bits) = resolution
2016-02-01T04:04:02 < emeb_mac> not super useful
2016-02-01T04:06:43 < emeb_mac> probably
2016-02-01T04:07:15 < emeb_mac> and whacky memory structures to prefetch the waveform data
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2016-02-01T04:31:39 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19IhGt5HLhI being murican
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2016-02-01T04:39:09 < kakimir> who knows
2016-02-01T04:42:42 < kakimir> it's some machine pistol
2016-02-01T04:43:17 < kakimir> oh it's actually jewish drive-by
2016-02-01T04:52:19 < kakimir> russian business machines
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2016-02-01T05:11:08 < dongs> mouser shit arrived way early today
2016-02-01T05:11:10 < dongs> at like 10am, wtf
2016-02-01T05:11:11 < dongs> so pro
2016-02-01T05:11:47 < dongs> omg its the discovery boards
2016-02-01T05:11:49 < dongs> fap fapfap
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2016-02-01T05:12:09 < dongs> and M.2 socket
2016-02-01T05:12:32 < crt> sup vape dog
2016-02-01T05:12:52 < dongs> hey, the nucleo-144 uses standalone magnetics
2016-02-01T05:13:01 < dongs> and some weird in-plane RJ45 socket
2016-02-01T05:16:19 < crt> weird?
2016-02-01T05:16:29 < dongs> hm, they're terminating differently
2016-02-01T05:16:39 < dongs> 75R from common via cap to ground
2016-02-01T05:16:43 < dongs> my stuff is just cap to ground
2016-02-01T05:17:06 < dongs> should I add a resistor?
2016-02-01T05:17:50 < dongs> any ethernet proz
2016-02-01T05:20:28 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/KOG8ySb.gif
2016-02-01T05:20:41 < dongs> that better be ethernet schematic
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2016-02-01T05:29:10 < crt> yeah i've seen it terminated before and after magnetics
2016-02-01T05:35:35 < dongs> i have 49.9/15pF termination before magnetics, and 2 caps to ground after.
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2016-02-01T05:41:03 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/3KkSVdn.gifv
2016-02-01T05:41:13 < emeb_mac> dongs: you got the m7 nucleo?
2016-02-01T05:48:27 < dongs> yes
2016-02-01T05:49:41 < dongs> emeb_mac: ever done ethernet with external transformer?
2016-02-01T05:50:03 < emeb_mac> dongs: nope - just with integrated magjack
2016-02-01T05:50:58 < emeb_mac> wonder why they used separate - hard to imagine it's much cheaper
2016-02-01T05:51:12 < dongs> emeb_mac: they used some weird center-mount RJ plug
2016-02-01T05:51:17 < dongs> to make it lower profile i guess
2016-02-01T05:51:25 < dongs> probly nothing with magjack in that style
2016-02-01T05:51:29 < emeb_mac> bizarre
2016-02-01T05:51:44 < dongs> fuck man , every external magnetics schematic is different
2016-02-01T05:51:49 < dongs> http://www.micrel.com/_PDF/Ethernet/app-notes/an-139.pdf
2016-02-01T05:51:59 < dongs> these are pulling ALL phy lines to ground via 49R/cap
2016-02-01T05:52:16 < dongs> SMSC appntoe has htem going to 3.3VA via 49R and 15pF to ground
2016-02-01T05:52:30 < emeb_mac> guess it just depends on what their driver topology is
2016-02-01T05:54:55 < dongs> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/LAN9512%20QFN%20Rev%20B%20Schematic%20Checklist.pdf
2016-02-01T05:55:00 < dongs> i guess ill jsut follow wat SMSC says
2016-02-01T05:56:27 < emeb_mac> I used the LAN8720 phy
2016-02-01T05:56:50 < emeb_mac> 49.9 pullup on all tx/rx pins
2016-02-01T05:56:54 < emeb_mac> no caps
2016-02-01T05:56:57 < dongs> right
2016-02-01T05:57:01 < dongs> seems no caps in my appnote either
2016-02-01T05:57:05 < dongs> i can just NP those
2016-02-01T05:58:34 < dongs> no mention what to od with rx/tx on  the output magnetics side
2016-02-01T05:58:43 < dongs> the RCMT parts.
2016-02-01T06:00:47 < dongs> The center tap connection on the cable side (RJ45 side) for the receive channel should
2016-02-01T06:00:50 < dongs> be terminated with a 75 resistor through a 1000 F, 2KV capacitor (Cmagterm) to chassis
2016-02-01T06:00:54 < dongs> ground.
2016-02-01T06:00:56 < dongs> ok
2016-02-01T06:01:00 < dongs> so looks like i need 75R.
2016-02-01T06:01:02 < dongs> missed that.
2016-02-01T06:05:28 < jadew> ffs... found a bug in VS
2016-02-01T06:05:48 < jadew> wasted an hour of my time
2016-02-01T06:18:23 < dongs> still a bit worried about +/- thing on magnetics but I guess it should work
2016-02-01T06:21:27 < dongs> last night i was dreaming
2016-02-01T06:21:36 < dongs> and i had a dream that debian project was shutdown
2016-02-01T06:21:45 < dongs> went to thier site and it said like
2016-02-01T06:21:48 < dongs> "lol sorry we're closed, bye"
2016-02-01T06:22:01 < dongs> i was saddened that its still up this morning
2016-02-01T06:23:12 < emeb_mac> lol
2016-02-01T06:24:42 < upgrdman> so a couple days ago someone in here was asking about 4-wire shunts. why is simplying having a pair of sense traces going to a 2-wire shunt not as good? it is cause the pins of a 4-wire shunt conduct better than copper traces on a pcb?
2016-02-01T06:24:59 < dongs> i think so yeah
2016-02-01T06:25:05 < dongs> cuz y ou have some pro superconducting wires
2016-02-01T06:30:28 < dongs> When using the SMSC LAN9512 in the HP Auto MDIX mode of operation, the use of an
2016-02-01T06:30:28 < dongs> Auto MDIX style magnetics module is required.
2016-02-01T06:30:32 < dongs> whats the fuckin difference
2016-02-01T06:30:41 < dongs> if they're just same transformer who cares?
2016-02-01T06:30:45 < dongs> on tx/rx channel
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2016-02-01T06:55:19 < dongs> god damn camtaastic is FUCKING IDIOTIC
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2016-02-01T06:56:05 < jadew> the bug in VS 2015:
2016-02-01T06:56:27 < jadew> #include "file" will look for the file first where the .cpp that is being compiled is, rather than where the file that does #include is
2016-02-01T06:56:37 < dongs> .................................
2016-02-01T06:56:41 < dongs> you think thats  a "bug"?
2016-02-01T06:56:44 < dongs> its called C, bro
2016-02-01T06:56:52 < jadew> so if you have a file that coincides with a system header that is being included by another system header
2016-02-01T06:56:54 < dongs> thats how it works
2016-02-01T06:56:58 < jadew> and you do #include <sysheader1>
2016-02-01T06:57:01 < dongs> its not a bug, name your shit pr operly
2016-02-01T06:57:07 < jadew> the sysheader1 will include your local file
2016-02-01T06:57:10 < jadew> no, it's a bug
2016-02-01T06:57:31 < jadew> #include "asdf" includes from the location containing the statement
2016-02-01T06:57:48 < jadew> a system header has no business to include shit from my project
2016-02-01T06:57:57 < dongs> "" = include from project
2016-02-01T06:57:58 < jadew> which is why, internally they use #include ""
2016-02-01T06:58:01 < dongs> <> = include from system
2016-02-01T06:58:07 < jadew> no, #include "" means include from here
2016-02-01T06:58:12 < jadew> not from system
2016-02-01T06:58:18 < jadew> sorry, not from project
2016-02-01T06:58:32 < dongs> anyway, dude, if you have project files named same as system headers, something is wrong anyway.
2016-02-01T06:58:37 < dongs> just admit it, you lost
2016-02-01T06:58:42 < jadew> I did not
2016-02-01T06:58:49 < jadew> the file in question is called rpc.h
2016-02-01T06:58:55 < jadew> and I'm not going to name it anything else
2016-02-01T06:59:00 < jadew> because that's what it is
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2016-02-01T07:03:48 < jadew> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/36k2cdd4(v=vs.110).aspx
2016-02-01T07:04:05 < jadew> see what that first table says about the quoted form
2016-02-01T07:08:26 < dongs> i dont see a problem here
2016-02-01T07:08:38 < dongs> thats what it does, yes
2016-02-01T07:09:01 < dongs> since you have rpc.h i bet you also have something like #ifndef _RPC_H_ #define blah
2016-02-01T07:09:04 < jadew> which means that if you have #include "shit.h" in a system file, it should include shit.h from the system file's location
2016-02-01T07:09:06 < jadew> not from your project
2016-02-01T07:09:09 < dongs> and you probably clashed it with some system shit
2016-02-01T07:09:34 < jadew> I don't, I have #pragma once, but I'm not including rpc.h
2016-02-01T07:09:38 < dongs> why dont you look at preprocessor listing and see what it does
2016-02-01T07:09:56 < jadew> what what does?
2016-02-01T07:10:32 < dongs> the fucking preprocessor
2016-02-01T07:10:37 < dongs> that sticks all the files together before compiling
2016-02-01T07:10:46 < jadew> but I know what it does
2016-02-01T07:10:46 < dongs> it'll show listing of where it pulled each include file from
2016-02-01T07:10:48 < jadew> it does this shit
2016-02-01T07:10:56 < jadew> I know, that's how I found out
2016-02-01T07:11:23 < jadew> instead of pulling the file from the same folder with the file that includes "rpc.h", it's getting it from my project
2016-02-01T07:11:35 < jadew> because it's in the same location with the .cpp that is being compiled
2016-02-01T07:11:49 < dongs> wott
2016-02-01T07:12:31 < dongs> you have a system header pulling YOUR rpc.h because it's in the build folder?
2016-02-01T07:12:37 < jadew> YES
2016-02-01T07:12:38 < dongs> instead of rpc.g that's part of system something?
2016-02-01T07:12:47 < dongs> then system rpc.h doesnt exist
2016-02-01T07:12:51 < jadew> it does
2016-02-01T07:12:56 < jadew> I checked
2016-02-01T07:13:01 < jadew> it's in the proper folder too
2016-02-01T07:13:06 < jadew> and even if it didn't
2016-02-01T07:13:14 < dongs> then your /I line is fucked
2016-02-01T07:13:21 < dongs> Along the path specified by each /I compiler option.
2016-02-01T07:13:23 < dongs> 3.
2016-02-01T07:13:23 < dongs> ^
2016-02-01T07:13:30 < jadew> once you do #include <shit> it shouldn't backtrack further than that or the default include folders
2016-02-01T07:13:40 < dongs> wrong
2016-02-01T07:14:06 < jadew> dongs, doesn't matter what my /I says
2016-02-01T07:14:11 < jadew> #include "rpc.h"
2016-02-01T07:14:17 < jadew> should load the rpc.h in THIS folder
2016-02-01T07:14:23 < dongs> it does
2016-02-01T07:14:23 < jadew> and there is one there
2016-02-01T07:14:37 < jadew> well, it doesn't, because it's loading the one from my project's folder
2016-02-01T07:14:43 < jadew> do you have vs 2015?
2016-02-01T07:14:47 < dongs> of course i do
2016-02-01T07:14:51 < jadew> try it
2016-02-01T07:16:32 < jadew> ffs... it's not doing it on a new project
2016-02-01T07:16:40 < dongs> yeah dude, your setup is fucked
2016-02-01T07:16:49 < dongs> it's either /I or something else is wrong
2016-02-01T07:17:06 < jadew> could be, it's converted from 2005
2016-02-01T07:17:06 < dongs> do you have /I. or something?
2016-02-01T07:17:10 < dongs> oh fucksake.
2016-02-01T07:17:14 < jadew> I'll check
2016-02-01T07:17:15 < dongs> jadew, I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on.
2016-02-01T07:17:32 < dongs> protip: never trust project conversion
2016-02-01T07:18:34 < jadew> there's no /I.
2016-02-01T07:18:52 < jadew> only default settings as for the new project
2016-02-01T07:19:51 < jadew> this is massively frustrating
2016-02-01T07:20:55 < dongs> take a deep breath and don't become like R2COM
2016-02-01T07:20:59 < dongs> its only a compiler
2016-02-01T07:21:29 < jadew> well at least I know it can work properly
2016-02-01T07:21:57 < jadew> sdioajfdosiajfodsai
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2016-02-01T08:09:59 < dongs> mortal dongbat
2016-02-01T08:12:43 < dongs> ugh
2016-02-01T08:18:49 < dongs> R2COM: how goes your freelancing
2016-02-01T08:18:58 < dongs> any new arduino/fritzing projects
2016-02-01T08:22:31 < dongs> lol
2016-02-01T08:33:02 < jadew> lmfao, the past few hours have been about getting dependencies built, so I can debug why an application I've made is crashing when I'm hitting a button
2016-02-01T08:33:42 < jadew> I finally get to run it, I click the button, go to the code: throw NotImplemented;
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2016-02-01T09:47:46 < qyx> dongs: meh, DB25 spotted
2016-02-01T09:48:08 < dongs> qyx, sup? t hat project?
2016-02-01T09:48:44 < dongs> qyx, im gonna make 800bux from some trollproj
2016-02-01T09:48:46 < qyx> yep, in the attachment
2016-02-01T09:48:54 < qyx> lol
2016-02-01T09:49:00 < qyx> which one?
2016-02-01T09:49:10 < dongs> almost not worth my time but its already done so
2016-02-01T09:49:16 < dongs> some small pcba
2016-02-01T09:49:20 < dongs> since CHINA IS CLOSED
2016-02-01T09:49:28 < dongs> i get priority trollin'
2016-02-01T09:49:52 < dongs> will let you know if I get ripped off
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2016-02-01T09:55:04 < dongs> also nothing wrong wiht DB25
2016-02-01T09:55:11 < dongs> and yes, that project is related to one thats ucrrently in progress, lol
2016-02-01T09:56:08 < dongs> ugh teh site is so dumb
2016-02-01T09:57:25 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/PCB-Layout-simple-layer-Circuit/
2016-02-01T09:57:26 < dongs> this project
2016-02-01T09:59:18 < dongs> i cant believe that dude is willing to waste 3 days of his time for $55
2016-02-01T09:59:18 < dongs> lol
2016-02-01T10:03:10 < dongs> cheap brazilian asshole
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2016-02-01T11:46:56 < karlp> clever move: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WnOe00dVu0
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2016-02-01T12:08:15 < dongs> karlp: why so
2016-02-01T12:08:32 < dongs> ohh so you can debug tardruino?
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2016-02-01T12:25:34 < karlp> so you can take  your existing hacked up stuff and just import and have it all work straight away, only you start getting a full environment and debugger,
2016-02-01T12:25:54 < karlp> instead of now, wher eyou have to sort of take your pieces and reimport things and make a new project and hope you can import libraries properly.
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2016-02-01T12:30:26 < PaulFertser> lol, he's so excited about importing arduino shit, that's ridiculous.
2016-02-01T12:32:12 < PaulFertser> It's as if AVR is not a dead expensive useless crap by now.
2016-02-01T12:32:38 < crt> how many shekels do you need for the avr dev environment?
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2016-02-01T12:35:17 < jpa-> most arduino code is actually relatively portable to the arm-based *uinos
2016-02-01T12:35:18 < Taxman> PaulFertser: Atmel/Microchip seems to concentrate on the freaks as target
2016-02-01T12:37:35 < dongs> crt, zero
2016-02-01T12:37:40 < dongs> assmell studio is free
2016-02-01T12:37:40 < dongs> but
2016-02-01T12:37:46 < dongs> that avarice or wahtever thing is like 90bux i think
2016-02-01T12:37:52 < dongs> they killed off AVR-ISP2
2016-02-01T12:37:57 < crt> i noticed...
2016-02-01T12:38:00 < crt> pricks
2016-02-01T12:38:04 < dongs> and that white box is the next in price level
2016-02-01T12:38:11 < dongs> dragon is a non-starter
2016-02-01T12:38:15 < dongs> absolutely slow and shit
2016-02-01T12:38:33 < dongs> i have the best avrisp my serial is like mostly all 5's on it
2016-02-01T12:38:41 < dongs> and it came legit from atmel store
2016-02-01T12:39:11 < Taxman> the ARM jtag stuff is real jtag
2016-02-01T12:39:36 < crt> yeah i just wanted the clear blue box thing... hard to come by
2016-02-01T12:39:39 < crt> avrisp
2016-02-01T12:39:51 < dongs> its still the best production programmer
2016-02-01T12:39:58 < dongs> cuz legit one cna actually do spi at 8mhz etc
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2016-02-01T12:40:14 < dongs> not like all the cloned usb-asp garbage
2016-02-01T12:40:16 < dongs> that goes at 100khz
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2016-02-01T12:41:45 < crt> yeah i specifically wanted it for spi prog
2016-02-01T12:42:04 < dongs> isnt the protocol opensores?
2016-02-01T12:42:14 < dongs> it shouldnt be THAT hard to just do that shit with STM32 or osmethin
2016-02-01T12:42:17 < dongs> way too lazy tho
2016-02-01T12:42:46 < crt> prolly but it takes more than 5 mins so good luck
2016-02-01T12:48:20 < dongs> yes
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2016-02-01T13:00:56 < tasslehoff> On stm32f7, can I run code from RAM (not ITCM)?
2016-02-01T13:01:21 < dongs> er
2016-02-01T13:01:27 < dongs> you can run code from RAM on any STM32
2016-02-01T13:01:32 < dongs> i dont see why F7 would be any different
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2016-02-01T13:02:19 < dongs> the CCM on F4 (and I guess F7), you can't run from (I think) / use for DMA, but normal SRAM is no problem.
2016-02-01T13:02:25 < tasslehoff> dongs: I'm new to STM32, and a colleague thought he'd read that code could only run from ITCM. I'm glad he was wrong :)
2016-02-01T13:03:10 < karlp> tasslehoff: you should have asked him to show you the reference first.
2016-02-01T13:03:35 < dongs> yeah, i think you can run from regular sram as you want, and ITCM has faster access time or osmething
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2016-02-01T13:04:41 < tasslehoff> Writing a bootloader. It lies in flash sector 0. I want to copy that to sram and run from there so I can flash bootloader upgrades to sector 0.
2016-02-01T13:04:48 < dongs> why?
2016-02-01T13:04:50 < dongs> oh
2016-02-01T13:04:55 < dongs> i got a better idea
2016-02-01T13:05:03 < dongs> write firmware update for userspace that updates bootloader
2016-02-01T13:05:13 < dongs> then load  that as regular firmware update using whatever way.
2016-02-01T13:05:22 < dongs> much more lazy and easier to do
2016-02-01T13:06:31 < tasslehoff> dongs: you mean upgrade the bootloader from the application? my terminology is not settled yet :)
2016-02-01T13:06:55 < dongs> tasslehoff: basically, make "application" flash image that simply has bootloader .binary inside of it, and all it does is boot, flash bootloader, then erases itself.
2016-02-01T13:07:04 < dongs> i did this few weeks ago for some workproj
2016-02-01T13:07:41 < dongs> surely bootloader-updating-bootloader is super cool and all, but.
2016-02-01T13:07:42 < tasslehoff> bootloader installes application upgrades. application installs bootloader upgrades. has a nice symmetry.
2016-02-01T13:07:52 < dongs> anyway, you can just use linker script to put code in sram
2016-02-01T13:07:55 < dongs> you dont need to "copy" it
2016-02-01T13:08:10 < dongs> so you can just put most/all/whatever of flash routines you want to use in sram and they'll be there, then you can updat stuff.
2016-02-01T13:08:31 < dongs> then you dont ne ed to worry about relocating it or making it position independent code when its in flash vs ram
2016-02-01T13:08:49 < tasslehoff> dongs: yeah. I've written a bunch of >RAM_BOOTLOADER AT>FLASH_BOOTLOADER now
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2016-02-01T13:19:54 < tasslehoff> dongs: but you have to write startup code (.s) to get it from flash to ram on boot, don't you?
2016-02-01T13:20:16 < tasslehoff> for it to work when booting from flash.
2016-02-01T13:24:12 < dongs> well, i use keil
2016-02-01T13:24:14 < dongs> it does it automatic
2016-02-01T13:24:17 < dongs> i just make a new ram section
2016-02-01T13:24:20 < dongs> and asign .c file to it
2016-02-01T13:24:22 < dongs> in most simple form
2016-02-01T13:24:28 < dongs> and all functions in that file will be in ram on startup
2016-02-01T13:24:50 < dongs> i tihnk libc handles loading stuff to ram on boot, just like it does initialize static vars etc
2016-02-01T13:25:05 < dongs> like _start code.
2016-02-01T13:25:09 < karlp> tasslehoff: you never have to write .s startup code for cortex m.
2016-02-01T13:25:20 < karlp> you can write startup code in .c perfectly well.
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2016-02-01T13:31:20 < tasslehoff> karlp: that sounds a lot nicer than .s
2016-02-01T13:32:11 < karlp> it was a selling point from arm for cortex-m, but the vendors keep providing their old legacy shitty asm forward ported
2016-02-01T13:32:17 < karlp> giving everyone bad ideas
2016-02-01T13:33:12 < tasslehoff> karlp: does the init code need to be hooked up in a special way?
2016-02-01T13:35:44 < karlp> what do you mean? just have your reset vector be a c function instead of an asm function...
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2016-02-01T13:41:09 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/DaGHAmc.gifv
2016-02-01T13:42:18 < tasslehoff> thanks
2016-02-01T13:49:31 < Laurenceb_> <karlp> tasslehoff: you never have to write .s startup code for cortex m.
2016-02-01T13:49:39 < Laurenceb_> no you can just c&p it :D
2016-02-01T13:56:32 < Laurenceb_> http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/95702/1454090216/botoxfiles.jpg
2016-02-01T13:59:23 < Taxman> does onw know what ECC DDR3 SDRAM chips this are at the bottom: http://www.abaxor.de/images/pub/Control_Optic_Altera_Cyclon_V.png
2016-02-01T13:59:44 < dongs> micron
2016-02-01T14:00:23 < Taxman> but 3DE72? i cant find such a ECC SDRAM chip from them
2016-02-01T14:01:14 < Laurenceb_> ancient aliens
2016-02-01T14:05:03 < jon1012> std petiph lib doesn't work on stm32f7 ?
2016-02-01T14:05:09 < jon1012> periph*
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2016-02-01T14:16:42 < tasslehoff> Laurenceb_: now I want to c&p .c startup code instead.
2016-02-01T14:17:36 < tasslehoff> I feel like there should be a startup_stm32f7xx.c that I can start with.
2016-02-01T14:22:50 < karlp> tasslehoff: https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/blob/master/lib/cm3/vector.c#L63
2016-02-01T14:24:37 < kakimir> how what is that tasslehoff
2016-02-01T14:24:45 < kakimir> Taxman:
2016-02-01T14:25:32 < tasslehoff> flyback: nah. from a fantasy book I read when I was a kid. Tasslehoff Burrfoot.
2016-02-01T14:26:05 < dongs> karlp: why does openFAIL3 think they need to rename all vector names?
2016-02-01T14:28:06 < karlp> dongs: don't ask me, was before my time.
2016-02-01T14:28:58 < kakimir> flyback: you shouldnt talk to strangers
2016-02-01T14:37:19 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Micro-mouse/
2016-02-01T14:38:14 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Consulting-PCB-design-analog-end/
2016-02-01T14:38:22 < dongs> why does someone in greece need a 5gsps ADC
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2016-02-01T14:40:25 < dongs> ok thats fucked up
2016-02-01T14:40:37 < dongs> nucleo-144 doesn't 'boot' if i power it wiht non-data USB cable on stlink side
2016-02-01T14:40:51 < dongs> teh 'COM' led on stlink blinks red at about 1hz
2016-02-01T14:41:11 < kakimir> dongs: looks for some job for me there will ya?
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2016-02-01T14:41:30 < kakimir> I'm interested in all beaky things
2016-02-01T14:41:51 < kakimir> - power control
2016-02-01T14:42:22 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Boos-converter-with-watt-output/
2016-02-01T14:42:37 < crt> boos lol
2016-02-01T14:42:45 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Design-circuit-9522274/
2016-02-01T14:43:04 < dongs> this idiot from nigeria wants a lifepo charger for $30
2016-02-01T14:43:12 < dongs> funnier part: there are people actually bidding
2016-02-01T14:43:25 < crt> i have no idea how the fuck this site works
2016-02-01T14:43:47 < crt> but they can stick their $250
2016-02-01T14:44:18 < kakimir> flyback: both
2016-02-01T14:44:55 < kakimir> dongs: I have planned to do that project but I didn't do it so
2016-02-01T14:45:10 < kakimir> for friend that has motor home
2016-02-01T14:45:36 < kakimir> no he needed buck regulator
2016-02-01T14:45:51 < kakimir> from 24system to 12volt system
2016-02-01T14:46:47 < kakimir> we know
2016-02-01T14:47:56 < kakimir> we dont speak german
2016-02-01T14:48:16 < Lux> kinda looks like all the engineers on freelancer are from some 3rd world countries
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2016-02-01T14:48:23 < Lux> or is that just in dongs posts
2016-02-01T14:48:40 < kakimir> Lux: plus some muricans that have 120$ / hour pay
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2016-02-01T14:49:04 < Lux> and then outsource to a pakistani ^^
2016-02-01T14:49:19 < kakimir> most likely something like that
2016-02-01T14:49:27 < kakimir> while rolling in moneys
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2016-02-01T14:50:05 < kakimir> propably design hardest parts himself and then outsource mechanical work to pakistan
2016-02-01T14:51:20 < kakimir> drive out from parking lot in his 911
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2016-02-01T14:56:30 < kakimir> I wonder is ESD can cause trouble to passives
2016-02-01T14:56:35 < kakimir> such as 0603 resistors
2016-02-01T14:56:58 < kakimir> when there is proper diode behind such
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2016-02-01T15:00:02 < jadew> no
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2016-02-01T15:00:14 < jadew> not enough power
2016-02-01T15:00:27 < kakimir> how about repeated shocks
2016-02-01T15:00:41 < kakimir> virtually limitless number of them
2016-02-01T15:00:50 < Sync> calculate the energy of the spark
2016-02-01T15:01:21 < kakimir> then?
2016-02-01T15:02:11 < crt> stick it in your ash hole sir
2016-02-01T15:02:11 < kakimir> can it be that voltage never goes above healthy levels
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2016-02-01T15:04:09 < kakimir> esd is after all weak source
2016-02-01T15:05:45 < kakimir> http://www.vishaypg.com/docs/63129/esd_tn.pdf
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2016-02-01T15:14:47 < dongs> lux, no its just what it is
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2016-02-01T15:14:59 < dongs> lux, they're all pakis/nigerians/indians/etc
2016-02-01T15:15:29 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/xuol.html and pakis like thjis
2016-02-01T15:15:44 < dongs> kakimir would probably hire her for $5/hour but not for EE tasks
2016-02-01T15:16:10 < kakimir> oooh shii
2016-02-01T15:16:41 < kakimir> where is her photo gallery
2016-02-01T15:17:22 < dongs> kakimir: http://www.friendsmania.net/fashion/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Facebook-Girls-Fake-Display-Pictures-FB-fake-girls-leaked-profile-pictures-121.jpg
2016-02-01T15:17:37 < dongs> http://www.friendsmania.net/forum/pakistan-photos-pictures-gallery-hot-wallpapers/398009.htm sauce
2016-02-01T15:17:51 < Lux> i call fake pic ^^
2016-02-01T15:18:07 < crt> $5 USD/hr lol
2016-02-01T15:18:22 < dongs> $20.0 USD
2016-02-01T15:18:22 < dongs> “Unprofessional. Code did not even compile”
2016-02-01T15:18:30 < dongs> for $20 i dont make compileable code, either
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2016-02-01T15:18:38 < crt> :)
2016-02-01T15:18:45 < Lux> per h ?
2016-02-01T15:19:00 < crt> and a fake stock pic
2016-02-01T15:19:11 < crt> neat.
2016-02-01T15:19:11 < kakimir> so this is actually some guy
2016-02-01T15:19:18 < crt> yeah
2016-02-01T15:19:28 < dongs> I'm on there for 88/hr
2016-02-01T15:19:41 < kakimir> any jobs ever?
2016-02-01T15:19:56 < dongs> kakimir: i got a $800 proj where I just get to assemble some small pcbs
2016-02-01T15:20:03 < dongs> same like i did for zyp few days ago
2016-02-01T15:20:07 < dongs> cant_lose
2016-02-01T15:20:33 < dongs> but so far most of the shit is just boring as fuck
2016-02-01T15:20:59 < kakimir> you put your dick and pick to earn itself?
2016-02-01T15:21:07 < crt> ah
2016-02-01T15:21:09 < dongs> its been doing that just fine
2016-02-01T15:21:18 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/GrigAnna.html manly female creature
2016-02-01T15:21:22 < dongs> probably super hairy hands
2016-02-01T15:21:27 < kakimir> has your dick and pick yet payed itself?
2016-02-01T15:21:36 < dongs> kakimir: it paid for itself in like first week after I got it
2016-02-01T15:21:48 < dongs> when I did some assembly for like 20k
2016-02-01T15:22:03 < mitrax_> dongs: what brand/model is it?
2016-02-01T15:22:12 < dongs> mitrax_: its a piece of shit, wouldnt recommend it
2016-02-01T15:22:15 < dongs> there's better stuff now.
2016-02-01T15:22:24 < dongs> i keep meaning to try this chink shit neowhatevre thats been popping up
2016-02-01T15:22:34 < dongs> neoden
2016-02-01T15:22:56 < dongs> buut i invested too much into my shit, feeders, + i know how to run it etc, so changing to something new is ill-advised
2016-02-01T15:23:20 < kakimir> I need some buffer amp for vref
2016-02-01T15:23:27 < kakimir> recommend any
2016-02-01T15:23:35 < kakimir> small and inexpensices
2016-02-01T15:25:26 < mitrax_> my friend has a retrofited europlacer finesse from 2000 something, but i have no idea how it compares to modern stuff
2016-02-01T15:26:10 < mitrax_> it does about 10 000 cph
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2016-02-01T15:28:26 < Lux> dongs: you mean that stuff ? http://www.neodentech.eu/contents/en-uk/d8_NEODEN4.html
2016-02-01T15:28:36 < dongs> yes
2016-02-01T15:28:42 < Lux> seems fairly cheap for those specs
2016-02-01T15:28:46 < dongs> yes
2016-02-01T15:28:53 < mitrax_> the feeders trolley are super expensive... like 5K
2016-02-01T15:29:04 < dongs> 4 nozzles etc
2016-02-01T15:29:23 < dongs> mitrax_: ?  conveyor?
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2016-02-01T15:30:33 < mitrax_> it has a conveyor yeah, but i mean this http://images1.hellotrade.com/data2/CN/PL/HTVENDOR-1236787/images-stories-tapetrolley_large-250x250.jpg
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2016-02-01T15:31:24 < dongs> er thats just a combined feeder thing
2016-02-01T15:31:32 < dongs> you can get individual pieces for much less
2016-02-01T15:31:39 < dongs> the block are ok but annoying to use
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2016-02-01T15:41:24 < Laurenceb> flyback: CANCUCK
2016-02-01T15:41:41 < Laurenceb> <R34lB0rg> the dinosaurs were doomed because they didn't have a space program
2016-02-01T15:41:43 < Laurenceb> lolling
2016-02-01T15:41:51 < kakimir> MCP601 is what I have
2016-02-01T15:41:58 < kakimir> already
2016-02-01T15:42:03 < kakimir> should be cool
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2016-02-01T15:55:20 < Sync> dongs: does your machine have top/bottom vision?
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2016-02-01T15:56:21 < dongs> yes of course
2016-02-01T15:56:24 < dongs> side also
2016-02-01T15:56:39 < dongs> for centering / measuring passives height
2016-02-01T15:56:43 < dongs> so i dont have to know this beforehand
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2016-02-01T16:01:50 < Sync> hmm side vision, that's interesting
2016-02-01T16:02:39 < dongs> pretty sure its handled by laser or something in real stuff
2016-02-01T16:02:46 < karlp> who was making their openPnP shits with tape sticky taped to the table? was that ReadError?
2016-02-01T16:02:55 < dongs> readstoner
2016-02-01T16:03:23 < Sync> depends dongs, oftentimes you just enter the value
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2016-02-01T16:16:16 < zyp> that neoden thing looks neat
2016-02-01T16:16:22 < kakimir> when doing voltage follower
2016-02-01T16:16:29 < zyp> but I'd need to run quite a few boards on it to break even
2016-02-01T16:16:53 < kakimir> should I have just solid connection between input and output
2016-02-01T16:17:01 < zyp> not to mention other equipment I'd also need if I wanted to do large volume assembly myself
2016-02-01T16:17:02 < kakimir> or should I have place for resistor or such
2016-02-01T16:17:23 < jpa-> kakimir: why?
2016-02-01T16:17:25 < Lux> here is quite an extensive writeup on the neoden 4: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/neoden-4-pick-and-place/
2016-02-01T16:17:47 < jpa-> kakimir: if your opamp is unity-gain stable with sufficient phase margin for your load, connect directly; otherwise plan for a compensation network
2016-02-01T16:17:48 < dongs> fuck eevbeggingfaggot
2016-02-01T16:17:58 < dongs> not giving him ad clicks
2016-02-01T16:18:04 < Lux> adblock ?
2016-02-01T16:18:27 < jpa-> kakimir: but a compensation network is more than just a resistor anyway, and most opamps nowadays are unity-gain stable unless you drive huge capacitive loads
2016-02-01T16:18:29 < Sync> jpa-: yeah, but my time would make up for that quite quickly
2016-02-01T16:19:25 < Sync> oh lel, the feeders are quite spendy
2016-02-01T16:20:19 < zyp> Sync, did you mean me instead of jpa-?
2016-02-01T16:20:36 < zyp> your time would make up for what?
2016-02-01T16:21:03 < jpa-> zyp: i thought we were the same person?
2016-02-01T16:21:13 < kakimir> jpa-: okay
2016-02-01T16:21:14 < kakimir> it is
2016-02-01T16:21:32 < Sync> yes zyp
2016-02-01T16:21:55 < Sync> was only ircing with the glancing eye while innovating
2016-02-01T16:21:58 < zyp> Sync, how so? what are you comparing to?
2016-02-01T16:22:15 < zyp> when I say break even, I mean compared to outsourcing assembly to somebody else
2016-02-01T16:23:54 < zyp> and I'd probably spend more of my time running my own machine that I'm spending to sending P&P file to somebody else, so that's not helping either
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2016-02-01T16:25:41 < Sync> well it depends, for most stuff I do, volume is quite low so pcba is still spendy
2016-02-01T16:26:04 < edmont> hi
2016-02-01T16:26:24 < jpa-> you can always pnp by hand
2016-02-01T16:26:39 < edmont> what are the advantages of integrated ethernet in STM32F217 versus, for example, W5500
2016-02-01T16:26:41 < edmont> ?
2016-02-01T16:26:47 < dongs> er
2016-02-01T16:27:00 < dongs> that wiznet SPI ethernet shit right?
2016-02-01T16:27:08 < zyp> edmont, that it's integrated, hooked right to AHB
2016-02-01T16:27:10 < Sync> I can, but then the product would be like 10x more expensive jpa-
2016-02-01T16:27:14 < zyp> so there's no SPI bottleneck
2016-02-01T16:27:45 < zyp> Sync, what is «quite low»?
2016-02-01T16:27:47 < jpa-> Sync: hm yeah, if you do a lot of one-off products
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2016-02-01T16:28:00 < jpa-> buying pnp services even for 10pcs is not that expensive
2016-02-01T16:28:06 < edmont> zyp: the problem is I need an external PHY
2016-02-01T16:28:16 < dongs> how is that a problme?
2016-02-01T16:28:20 < zyp> edmont, yes, hooked up to RMII
2016-02-01T16:28:25 < zyp> RMII is way faster than SPI
2016-02-01T16:28:49 < edmont> but if you don't need high speed? for example, iot applications
2016-02-01T16:29:04 < zyp> have you compared price?
2016-02-01T16:29:11 < Laurenceb> internet of woman
2016-02-01T16:29:20 < dongs> you're already using stm32 (for example)
2016-02-01T16:29:24 < dongs> external phy is like <$1
2016-02-01T16:29:27 < dongs> how much is W5500?
2016-02-01T16:29:30 < jpa-> also less supply-chain issues when you don't have a special extra chip like W5500, but just generic phy
2016-02-01T16:29:42 < Sync> zyp: like 10-50
2016-02-01T16:29:43 < jpa-> but yeah, sometimes simple SPI-ethernet chip makes sense
2016-02-01T16:29:50 < Sync> sure, that's what I do
2016-02-01T16:29:57 < Sync> but for prototypes doing it myself would be nice
2016-02-01T16:30:27 < jpa-> so? is spending 1 hour placing parts so much time compared to your design time that it raises the price?
2016-02-01T16:30:37 < edmont> there is no ST MCU with integrated PHY right?
2016-02-01T16:31:14 < zyp> no
2016-02-01T16:31:21 < zyp> but phy is cheap
2016-02-01T16:31:37 < dongs> wiznet is 2.10$/100 @ mouser
2016-02-01T16:32:05 < dongs> LAN8742A is $1.20 @ 100
2016-02-01T16:32:05 < dongs> so..
2016-02-01T16:32:46 < Sync> yes jpa-, because the RAGE spent placing all the shit
2016-02-01T16:33:00 < jpa-> hehe, well that i can relate to :P
2016-02-01T16:33:10 < Sync> if it was only an hour for the pcb that would be all good, but it is not
2016-02-01T16:34:03 < jpa-> you have too many parts :P
2016-02-01T16:34:19 < jpa-> resistor networks & such are great to speed it up
2016-02-01T16:34:25 < edmont> and what about Poe? would you use these modules? http://www.silvertel.com/products/poe-power-over-ethernet.html
2016-02-01T16:34:49 < dongs> edmont: are you by chance posting this on freelancer
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2016-02-01T16:34:56 < dongs> i saw some proj using that silvetel module
2016-02-01T16:35:10 < edmont> dongs: nope, what's that? :)
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2016-02-01T16:35:37 < dongs> anyway that module looks cool if you have no idea what youre oding
2016-02-01T16:35:41 < dongs> and want a complete solution
2016-02-01T16:35:51 < dongs> just like those LM317-pin compatible dc/dc blocks
2016-02-01T16:35:57 < dongs> that have a switcher + coil + shit inside
2016-02-01T16:36:11 < dongs> they're expensive and work, but if you make one yourself its generally cheaper.
2016-02-01T16:36:53 < edmont> I selected this design: http://www.digikey.com/reference-designs/en/power-management/poe-power-over-ethernet/307
2016-02-01T16:37:09 < edmont> but I'm not sure it's cheaper
2016-02-01T16:37:19 < dongs> its cheaper if you make more than 1
2016-02-01T16:39:09 < zyp> Sync, for qty 10-50 per design, I think you'd need to run at least 50 designs to break even
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2016-02-01T16:39:55 < kakimir> use active rectifiers
2016-02-01T16:40:17 < Taxman> edmont: It is not transformer isolated
2016-02-01T16:40:45 < edmont> Taxman: which one?
2016-02-01T16:41:03 < Taxman> the PoE one
2016-02-01T16:41:58 < Sync> zyp: with a 10k machine?
2016-02-01T16:41:59 < Sync> nah
2016-02-01T16:42:11 < edmont> you mean the texas one I guess
2016-02-01T16:42:42 < zyp> Sync, then your assembly budget is larger than mine :)
2016-02-01T16:43:25 < Sync> jup, which is why we outsource it
2016-02-01T16:43:27 < Taxman> edmont. Yes
2016-02-01T16:43:35 < Sync> but I'd like to do prototypes inhouse
2016-02-01T16:43:36 < edmont> anyway, there are different design available: http://www.digikey.com/reference-designs/en/power-management/poe-power-over-ethernet
2016-02-01T16:44:12 < edmont> silvertel modules are priced around 7$ 1pc
2016-02-01T16:44:15 < zyp> Sync, then you're not talking about breaking even, you're talking about paying more for the convenience of doing it inhouse
2016-02-01T16:44:37 < edmont> probably much cheaper in quantity
2016-02-01T16:44:59 < Sync> probably
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2016-02-01T16:47:56 < edmont> http://www.ti.com/product/TM4C129XNCZAD
2016-02-01T16:48:07 < edmont> eth+phy MCU
2016-02-01T16:48:30 < dongs> its also trash
2016-02-01T16:48:31 < dongs> being TI
2016-02-01T16:48:41 < dongs> and will be discontinued next year
2016-02-01T16:48:42 < dongs> or renamed
2016-02-01T16:48:44 < dongs> then disconitnued
2016-02-01T16:48:48 < edmont> hahaha
2016-02-01T16:48:53 < edmont> and big price
2016-02-01T16:49:01 < zyp> did TI settle on a name yet?
2016-02-01T16:50:21 < Laurenceb> http://www.datacenterdynamics.com/design-build/microsoft-serves-azure-from-the-sea-bed/95628.article
2016-02-01T16:50:23 < Laurenceb> whyyy
2016-02-01T16:50:35 < kakimir> so if chip has ethernets
2016-02-01T16:50:39 < kakimir> its iot enabled
2016-02-01T16:51:00 < edmont> :)
2016-02-01T16:51:01 < zyp> Laurenceb, cooling, I guess
2016-02-01T17:02:23 < dongs> haha that TM4C is 20bux
2016-02-01T17:02:27 < dongs> fuck off, ti
2016-02-01T17:02:47 < dongs> and that one is still called TiVa
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2016-02-01T17:06:50 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/Need-PCB-designer/ hahaha
2016-02-01T17:07:02 < dongs> 0.8 bga routed for $83
2016-02-01T17:08:19 < kakimir> the fuk
2016-02-01T17:08:27 < kakimir> how does that work
2016-02-01T17:08:31 < dongs> race to the bottom
2016-02-01T17:08:41 < kakimir> who works for 3days or 83dollars
2016-02-01T17:08:42 < dongs> that or it was an awful fucking job
2016-02-01T17:08:45 < dongs> pakis
2016-02-01T17:08:47 < englishman> autoroute
2016-02-01T17:08:48 < Laurenceb> how babby formed?
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2016-02-01T17:14:27 < kakimir> if I had other means of income
2016-02-01T17:14:43 < kakimir> and project would be something in my interest areas
2016-02-01T17:14:54 < Laurenceb> you could become a rent boy on adultwork
2016-02-01T17:14:57 < kakimir> and I could gain joint intellectual property
2016-02-01T17:15:19 < kakimir> having symbolical pay wouldn't be bad
2016-02-01T17:15:29 < kakimir> Laurenceb: true
2016-02-01T17:15:34 < kakimir> but I'm not a boy
2016-02-01T17:15:44 < Laurenceb> you could become a cuck
2016-02-01T17:16:02 < kakimir> you propably are already
2016-02-01T17:16:09 < englishman> being paid in buttcoin is the same as symbolic pay
2016-02-01T17:16:50 < Laurenceb> all money is symbolic
2016-02-01T17:18:11 < kakimir> that is true
2016-02-01T17:18:38 < gxti> next you'll tell us you are a soverign citizen who does not pay taxes
2016-02-01T17:20:22 < Laurenceb> kakimir is
2016-02-01T17:20:36 < Laurenceb> that much is clear
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2016-02-01T17:21:59 < kakimir> I don't pay too much taxes
2016-02-01T17:22:15 < kakimir> in absolute value
2016-02-01T17:23:11 < kakimir> I feel little bit bad about it because one thing every citizen should do is to compete how much they can pay taxes
2016-02-01T17:23:40 < englishman> one little trick
2016-02-01T17:23:41 < gxti> well that's ok, you can donate money directly to pay down the national debt
2016-02-01T17:23:46 < englishman> if you make no money you pay no tax
2016-02-01T17:24:04 < englishman> dont spread that around k
2016-02-01T17:24:50 < kakimir> I know the trick
2016-02-01T17:28:19 < kakimir> I don't really yet know what is the implication of that knowledge
2016-02-01T17:28:33 < kakimir> but I try to figure it out
2016-02-01T17:29:06 < Lux> in some countries if you make no money you even get tax money
2016-02-01T17:30:04 < kakimir> I think I can do more good by not paying megalomaniac socioeconomic machine
2016-02-01T17:30:36 < Laurenceb> actually I voluntarily "donated" £3k to uk gov recently
2016-02-01T17:30:50 < kakimir> how?
2016-02-01T17:30:55 < Laurenceb> I get increased pension in return
2016-02-01T17:31:06 < kakimir> so you overtaxed
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2016-02-01T17:31:31 < Laurenceb> in uk you can pay extra and it gets added to your pension allowance
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2016-02-01T17:32:02 < kakimir> same thing here
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2016-02-01T17:32:19 < englishman> <uk govt> plz donate
2016-02-01T17:32:37 < kakimir> no you pay extra and get it back
2016-02-01T17:32:41 < kakimir> end of the year
2016-02-01T17:32:48 < kakimir> with intress
2016-02-01T17:32:55 < englishman> intress
2016-02-01T17:33:40 < kakimir> what is the word
2016-02-01T17:33:56 < artag> interest
2016-02-01T17:34:14 < kakimir> that
2016-02-01T17:34:20 < englishman> i have great interest in kakimirs activities
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2016-02-01T17:40:32 < kakimir> there is more idle that is acceptable
2016-02-01T17:40:42 < kakimir> by anyone
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2016-02-01T18:55:01 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkufLcIQgKo
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2016-02-01T19:04:54 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKTkpWV3FJbS1oeFk/view?usp=sharing
2016-02-01T19:05:06 < kakimir> flat coils
2016-02-01T19:05:38 < kakimir> are cute
2016-02-01T19:06:12 < aandrew> I prefer a nice set of tits but ok
2016-02-01T19:07:14 < kakimir> I have no free space under the board
2016-02-01T19:07:25 < kakimir> maybe I need to cut those
2016-02-01T19:07:28 < kakimir> down
2016-02-01T19:07:55 < aandrew> heh
2016-02-01T19:09:03 < kakimir> I wonder how I space the board from bottom
2016-02-01T19:09:10 < kakimir> exactly lets say 1.15mm
2016-02-01T19:09:49 < kakimir> if my highest component is 1.2mm
2016-02-01T19:10:34 < kakimir> how much I need spacing with having heatshit under that package so it's firmly pressed
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2016-02-01T19:10:53 < kakimir> little bent it not bad
2016-02-01T19:14:02 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKcWhuNkdtTWFGMHc/view?usp=sharing trying to decide some voltage levels
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2016-02-01T19:14:35 < kakimir> maybe I need something for 24volt lead battery
2016-02-01T19:15:55 < kakimir> dongs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkufLcIQgKo aandrew just found you
2016-02-01T19:17:22 < kakimir> and something for 12volt lead battery too
2016-02-01T19:24:25 < kakimir> how much would be good lead acid battery cutoff
2016-02-01T19:25:11 < kakimir> safe one
2016-02-01T19:29:13 < kakimir> 11.6 would be quite ok
2016-02-01T19:29:31 < kakimir> 1.75 per cell under load fully discharged
2016-02-01T19:29:45 < kakimir> 1.95 fully discharged = 11.7volts
2016-02-01T19:38:01 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKUm9nRUs2U3AwOVE/view?usp=sharing there
2016-02-01T19:38:41 < Steffanx> Sexy.
2016-02-01T19:39:16 < kakimir> the device will be full of jumpers
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2016-02-01T19:40:21 < zyp> kakimir, looks dumb
2016-02-01T19:41:23 < kakimir> it definitelly does
2016-02-01T19:41:43 < zyp> why not just assemble with appropriate value for target battery?
2016-02-01T19:41:53 < kakimir> because universality
2016-02-01T19:42:03 < kakimir> you dont know end application
2016-02-01T19:42:13 < Steffanx> So why not just a potmeter?
2016-02-01T19:42:18 < kakimir> there is
2016-02-01T19:42:37 < zyp> universal what?
2016-02-01T19:42:42 < kakimir> led driver
2016-02-01T19:42:47 < zyp> why are you making stuff without a purpose?
2016-02-01T19:43:13 < kakimir> I think I need myself that first lead battery option and 3 and 4 cell options
2016-02-01T19:43:17 < kakimir> and trim
2016-02-01T19:43:35 < kakimir> so why not fill the holes while you at it
2016-02-01T19:44:08 < kakimir> I wonder if there is some smd select wheels
2016-02-01T19:44:16 < kakimir> like trimmer but bit bigger
2016-02-01T19:44:36 < kakimir> that would be ultra stylish compared to this
2016-02-01T19:45:42 < Steffanx> is there an SMA connector yet?
2016-02-01T19:45:52 < kakimir> no
2016-02-01T19:46:04 < kakimir> maybe I add 2
2016-02-01T19:46:08 < kakimir> should I?
2016-02-01T19:46:20 < kakimir> see there is shunt amplifiers in driver
2016-02-01T19:46:23 < kakimir> 2 of them
2016-02-01T19:47:09 < Steffanx> Yes, otherwise its not a real kakimir project
2016-02-01T19:47:10 < kakimir> obiviously when it's analog - you need sma
2016-02-01T19:47:23 < kakimir> and also when it's digital switching signal
2016-02-01T19:47:27 < kakimir> you need sma
2016-02-01T19:48:36 < kakimir> could jumpers be placed in kind of flower pattern
2016-02-01T19:48:47 < kakimir> one shared pin
2016-02-01T19:48:55 < kakimir> maybe 4 selections
2016-02-01T19:49:28 < kakimir> I need to add 1 voltage level to make 2 of those
2016-02-01T19:52:03 < jpa-> i would assume you'd know the application at the time of assembly anyway..
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2016-02-01T19:52:52 < zyp> that's what I'm arguing as well
2016-02-01T19:53:37 < jpa-> breakouting all the things seems to be a trend lately
2016-02-01T19:53:50 < jpa-> i can see the point of buying pre-made breakout board
2016-02-01T19:54:03 < jpa-> but when one goes to the trouble of designing a breakout, why not just make the final one..
2016-02-01T19:54:29 < zyp> yeah, I prefer going right from devboard to application prototype nowadays
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2016-02-01T19:55:42 < kakimir> jpa-: mobile led light unit that can be thrown in any vehicle or connected to any battery at hand
2016-02-01T19:56:18 < kakimir> if you want it fixed then dick and place some 0603 0R there instead of jumpers
2016-02-01T19:56:42 < jpa-> hmm, but if that is the goal wouldn't you want a box mounted selector?
2016-02-01T19:57:07 < jpa-> instead of having to screw open the box
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2016-02-01T19:58:39 < zyp> add a stm32 to manage it and make it a firmware setting
2016-02-01T19:58:41 < kakimir> it's not like you change your auxlary lights off the vehicle or setup every day
2016-02-01T19:58:52 < zyp> or make it autodetectable
2016-02-01T19:58:57 < inca> how deep is the hardware USART receive buffer for stm32f0? i.e. can more than 1 byte be ready to read at a time (without DMA)
2016-02-01T19:59:13 < kakimir> zyp: I had that project 2years ago
2016-02-01T19:59:15 < kakimir> LPC
2016-02-01T19:59:21 < kakimir> grid contoller too
2016-02-01T19:59:24 < kakimir> controller
2016-02-01T19:59:47 < karlp> inca: it's int he RM, f0/l0/f3 have some level of fio, older parts don't
2016-02-01T20:00:24 < inca> karlp: I didn't see any reference to a fifo in the RM
2016-02-01T20:00:46 < kakimir> zyp: it's completelly different project then
2016-02-01T20:00:57 < kakimir> besides autodetect is not 100% solid
2016-02-01T20:01:52 < zyp> inca, for which chip?
2016-02-01T20:01:59 < kakimir> and when you add LPC then why not drive the led with it
2016-02-01T20:02:05 < inca> zyp: STM32F051K8
2016-02-01T20:02:10 < kakimir> you have the power then
2016-02-01T20:02:10 < inca> looks like DMA
2016-02-01T20:02:25 < inca> is the only way... though I feel like it deserves a test
2016-02-01T20:02:36 < inca> to see when ORE (overrun) bit gets set
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2016-02-01T20:04:38 < zyp> kakimir, I think it's SPI that got a FIFO, not USART
2016-02-01T20:04:43 < zyp> karlp*
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2016-02-01T21:00:04 < gxti> is a fifo still a fifo if it has a depth of 1?
2016-02-01T21:02:19 < zyp> could be argued that it's a special case of one
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2016-02-01T21:44:45 < Laurenceb_> ur a special case
2016-02-01T21:45:57 < Steffanx> says the most special case.
2016-02-01T21:47:24 < Steffanx> hi Laurenceb_ how are you today?
2016-02-01T21:49:31 < aandrew> how is it not a fifo?
2016-02-01T21:49:43 < aandrew> put 'X' in, read, get 'X' out... first in, first out
2016-02-01T21:50:15 < aandrew> if you're thinking overruns, a fifo of length n will stop being a FIFO when stuffing n+1 elements into it
2016-02-01T21:50:43 < aandrew> I guess it also depends on whether your fifo destroys the old value when overrunning or discards the new data
2016-02-01T21:53:58 < jpa-> well, if it is a FIFO then it is also a LIFO and a latch and a flipflop and a memory
2016-02-01T21:59:06 < artag> and a 1-input or and and gate
2016-02-01T21:59:15 < artag> pretty much the universal object
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2016-02-01T22:12:35 < Laurenceb_> how come if I ssh into a machine and run an application there that I also have installed locally, I end up with the application running  locally?
2016-02-01T22:13:07 < upgrdman_> gui?
2016-02-01T22:13:11 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: X11 forwarding?
2016-02-01T22:13:16 < upgrdman_> cause ssh supports x forwarding
2016-02-01T22:13:34 < Laurenceb_> yeah but its not running on the remote machine
2016-02-01T22:13:50 < Laurenceb_> its literally just fired up the application on my machine
2016-02-01T22:14:05 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: firefox?
2016-02-01T22:14:09 < Laurenceb_> so if say i do ssh -X <server>, then firefox
2016-02-01T22:14:13 < upgrdman_> you sure youre typing the command into the correct terminal window?
2016-02-01T22:14:16 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: firefox -no-remote
2016-02-01T22:14:17 < Laurenceb_> firefox runs locally
2016-02-01T22:14:19 < Laurenceb_> ah
2016-02-01T22:14:29 < Laurenceb_> actually its thunderbird
2016-02-01T22:14:34 < Laurenceb_> but thats also mosilla
2016-02-01T22:14:51 < upgrdman_> PaulFertser, how could firefox know it's remote or not?
2016-02-01T22:15:34 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: it doesn't, it's just when it sees that X server already has a firefox instance, it sends commands to it instead of fully starting as normal.
2016-02-01T22:15:52 < upgrdman_> o
2016-02-01T22:16:03 < Laurenceb_> that works, thanks
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2016-02-01T22:16:34 < artag> I've had this too. it's insane. what could they possibly be trying to do ? If I run a remote browser it's because I want the browser to read the files - like bookmarks - on the machine where it is.
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2016-02-01T22:17:32 < PaulFertser> artag: but it can't know if it's remote or not if X11 forwarding is used, so they cover the usual usecase: opening another window of local instance by default.
2016-02-01T22:18:12 < artag> I think it does it even if you don't already have a browser open
2016-02-01T22:18:33 < PaulFertser> I'd bet it doesn't.
2016-02-01T22:18:43 < artag> now i'll have to test it :)
2016-02-01T22:18:46 < gxti> it's interesting that it does that over X and not a unix socket or something
2016-02-01T22:19:12 < gxti> but i've never found X forwarding to be terribly useful
2016-02-01T22:19:33 < artag> I find it enormously useful. But I expect the application to run remotely.
2016-02-01T22:19:58 < artag> it's so much nicer to use than remote desktops, vnc etc
2016-02-01T22:20:11 < gxti> in theory, yes. in practice i've found it doesn't work so great.
2016-02-01T22:20:21 < gxti> even just using something like vim, let alone a browser
2016-02-01T22:20:32 < artag> it's slow, sure. but better than other remote tools
2016-02-01T22:20:48 < englishman> nomachine has been the tits
2016-02-01T22:20:56 < englishman> vnc is hella slow even on gigabutt ethernet
2016-02-01T22:21:20 < gxti> Laurenceb_: oh here you go. -no-xshm http://askubuntu.com/questions/3515/how-do-i-launch-a-remote-firefox-window-via-ssh
2016-02-01T22:21:41 < Laurenceb_> ok, its working now anyway :P
2016-02-01T22:21:44 < Laurenceb_> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/d/dc/Rationalwikishit.jpg
2016-02-01T22:21:51 < Laurenceb_> have some lulz
2016-02-01T22:21:59 < gxti> no thx
2016-02-01T22:25:18 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/EsI09TI.gifv
2016-02-01T22:27:06 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaEUHSgUYAAfBZ9.png
2016-02-01T22:30:22 < Rob235> where do you guys live? Trump is making me want to leave the US
2016-02-01T22:31:02 < Laurenceb_> UK, moving the US soon as the God Emperor gets in
2016-02-01T22:31:52 < Rob235> why cant bernie just win
2016-02-01T22:32:34 < Laurenceb_> https://grrrgraphics.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/bernie_sanders_ben_garrison.jpg?w=640&h=514
2016-02-01T22:33:12 < Rob235> psh
2016-02-01T22:35:40 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_, remember trump doesnt want immigrants..
2016-02-01T22:37:30 < Rob235> yea, damn rapists and murderers
2016-02-01T22:37:46 < Steffanx> it would be funny to see what happens to the us when he does get president
2016-02-01T22:37:54 < Laurenceb_> I resemble those remarks
2016-02-01T22:38:12 < Rob235> Steffanx: don't even joke about that
2016-02-01T22:38:16 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: he hands over presidency to his friend Hillary
2016-02-01T22:38:25 < Steffanx> Does it really matter anyway? It's not that he gets all power when he gets president, does he?
2016-02-01T22:38:47 < Steffanx> or will he be the first dictator of the united states of trump?
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2016-02-01T22:39:40 < Steffanx> *becomes president
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2016-02-01T22:39:55 < Laurenceb_> flag gets Trump branding
2016-02-01T22:40:02 < gxti> Steffanx: you already know more about our political system than most americans seem to
2016-02-01T22:40:05 < Rob235> I'm sure his power is limited but he can still fuck some shit up
2016-02-01T22:40:35 < Lux> he can still declare another war right ?
2016-02-01T22:40:54 < gxti> declaration of war is an act of congress
2016-02-01T22:41:34 < Laurenceb_> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-13/donald-trump-false-flag-candidate
2016-02-01T22:41:44 < gxti> although the president does have ... hold on a second did you just link to zerohedge
2016-02-01T22:42:31 < Laurenceb_> yup, Trump did WTC7
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2016-02-01T22:47:59 < englishman> i wish i was an american so i could vote for trump
2016-02-01T22:48:35 < Laurenceb_> trolling intensifies
2016-02-01T22:48:49 < Rob235> I wish I could get inside the head of a trump supporter so I could understand... Although I'd probably cut my iq in half and be traumatized for life
2016-02-01T22:49:21 < karlp> inca: oops sorry, zyp was right, I was mixing it up with spi
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2016-02-01T23:16:45 < karlp> The company’s management believes that one of its – thus far – undervalued assets is the DesignSpark software and free design tools, and RS will also seek to build on that base of customers/users as it grows product ranges;
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2016-02-01T23:25:01 < kakimir> who is trump
2016-02-01T23:25:09 < kakimir> and what has he actually done
2016-02-01T23:25:26 < kakimir> and were are his dirty secrets
2016-02-01T23:25:41 < kakimir> and is he bought front
2016-02-01T23:25:48 < kakimir> these are the questions
2016-02-01T23:26:51 < kakimir> he is salesman and nobody really knows what he is selling but it's big whatever it is
2016-02-01T23:27:02 < kakimir> HUGE
2016-02-01T23:31:14 < Steffanx> He did bankrupt a dutch company with his crappy way of doing business
2016-02-01T23:34:14 < kakimir> intentionally?
2016-02-01T23:34:19 < kakimir> run over it?
2016-02-01T23:34:25 < gxti> i heard he murders babies
2016-02-01T23:34:53 < kakimir> or just with inresponsible ways?
2016-02-01T23:35:03 < kakimir> and eats them?
2016-02-01T23:35:31 < gxti> sucks the marrow from their bones to postpone his demise
2016-02-01T23:40:09 < kakimir> :D
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2016-02-01T23:53:24 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF7EpEnglgk
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2016-02-02T00:00:08 < kakimir> nothing special
2016-02-02T00:00:42 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KbK1W7oLfU musicspams
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2016-02-02T00:20:46 < kakimir> SMAs added to schematic!
2016-02-02T00:20:49 < kakimir> total 2 of them
2016-02-02T00:21:00 < karlp> now we're talking!
2016-02-02T00:23:17 < kakimir> propably not to be even populated ever
2016-02-02T00:23:57 < upgrdman_> any lpc pros awake? re: dma, what's the difference between a "transfer size" and "burst size" ?
2016-02-02T00:24:08 < kakimir> o/
2016-02-02T00:24:12 < kakimir> what chip
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2016-02-02T00:24:25 < kakimir> what peripheral
2016-02-02T00:24:35 < kakimir> lpc1769?
2016-02-02T00:24:39 < kakimir> ethernets?
2016-02-02T00:24:54 < upgrdman_> lpc1768, ssp0
2016-02-02T00:25:13 < kakimir> refer to sheet page
2016-02-02T00:25:44 < upgrdman_> ? the "user manual" ? i am reading it, and confused
2016-02-02T00:26:05 < kakimir> page number
2016-02-02T00:26:40 < upgrdman_> um10360, page 612
2016-02-02T00:26:48 < artag> perhaps the transfer size is the length of the buffer and the burst size is the number of contiguous accesses it can hog the memory bus for ?
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2016-02-02T00:28:01 < kakimir> this is dma
2016-02-02T00:28:11 < artag> yes.
2016-02-02T00:29:15 < artag> i recall suffering buffer underruns on ethernet DMA due to some other DMA hogging the bus beyond the needed latency
2016-02-02T00:29:33 < artag> not on lpc, it was a powerPC
2016-02-02T00:30:04 < upgrdman_> kakimir, yes, my question is about dma
2016-02-02T00:31:15 < upgrdman_> and, aside from dma, how can i make SSP not deassert chip select between every byte. i want: cs = low, then transfer 32 bytes, then cs = high
2016-02-02T00:36:26 < kakimir> burst is like how many of data width size stuff is one transfer
2016-02-02T00:36:59 < kakimir> and transfer is counter that you set and in starts to tick like a clock towards zero when dma is set off
2016-02-02T00:38:04 < upgrdman_> so if i want to use dma to send 32 bytes, transfer size = 1, burst = 32 ?
2016-02-02T00:39:34 < kakimir> or
2016-02-02T00:40:15 < kakimir> transfer size 8 burst 4
2016-02-02T00:41:04 < kakimir> I don't know
2016-02-02T00:41:27 < kakimir> you need to dig up some example codes
2016-02-02T00:42:42 < kakimir> wait
2016-02-02T00:42:58 < kakimir> those may be for different transfer types
2016-02-02T00:44:06 < kakimir> transfer size for M2M transfers
2016-02-02T00:44:24 < kakimir> those two burst sizes for device based requests
2016-02-02T00:44:31 < kakimir> does this make any sense?
2016-02-02T00:47:12 < kakimir> "Scatter or gather DMA"
2016-02-02T00:47:18 < kakimir> this is very cool thing
2016-02-02T00:47:21 < kakimir> linked lists
2016-02-02T00:48:52 < zyp> is that the new stuff?
2016-02-02T00:49:17 < zyp> the BAM stuff?
2016-02-02T00:49:19 < zyp> or what?
2016-02-02T00:49:35 < zyp> which parts got scatter/gather DMA?
2016-02-02T00:49:44 < kakimir> one of features of lpc1768 ie.
2016-02-02T00:49:47 < kakimir> dma
2016-02-02T00:50:20 < upgrdman_> kakimir, fixed part of my problem: i forgot to reset an address that was being auto-increments by dma
2016-02-02T00:50:53 < upgrdman_> now i just need to figure out how to get these ssp (spi) transfers to be 32 bytes long, instead of CS going high between every byte.
2016-02-02T00:51:21 < kakimir> it's not a dma issue
2016-02-02T00:51:33 < kakimir> or maybe it is
2016-02-02T00:51:52 < kakimir> as ssp cant handle more than 16bits?
2016-02-02T00:52:02 < upgrdman_> i think it might be. i have a feeling the dma shit is waiting for ssp fifo to empty between each transfer.
2016-02-02T00:52:21 < kakimir> are we talking about spi transfers or dma transfers
2016-02-02T00:52:24 < upgrdman_> and an empty fifo would cause CS to go high, iirc
2016-02-02T00:52:50 < upgrdman_> kakimir, im using dma to copy from an array of bytes, to the tx fifo of spi
2016-02-02T00:55:16 < kakimir> what is your burst size for it?
2016-02-02T00:56:03 < upgrdman_> right now, 1
2016-02-02T00:56:11 < upgrdman_> transfer size = 32, burst = 1
2016-02-02T00:56:22 < upgrdman_> and my array of bytes contains 32 bytes
2016-02-02T00:58:14 < kakimir> hmm
2016-02-02T01:00:42 < kakimir> transfer size?
2016-02-02T01:00:48 < kakimir> you mean width?
2016-02-02T01:01:19 < upgrdman_> width is set to "byte"
2016-02-02T01:01:42 < upgrdman_> um10360, page 612
2016-02-02T01:01:49 < kakimir> what if
2016-02-02T01:02:00 < kakimir> what is your spp transfer size?
2016-02-02T01:02:12 < kakimir> ssp
2016-02-02T01:03:54 < upgrdman_> ssp doesn't have a "transfer size". but "data size" is set to 8-bit
2016-02-02T01:04:02 < upgrdman_> and data size is max 16-bit
2016-02-02T01:04:08 < upgrdman_> so that's not it
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2016-02-02T01:05:03 < kakimir> you want it to output 32byte long transfer?
2016-02-02T01:05:12 < kakimir> as one big chunk?
2016-02-02T01:06:00 < upgrdman_> yes
2016-02-02T01:06:08 < kakimir> why
2016-02-02T01:06:12 < upgrdman_> cs goes low, 256 bits get transfers, then cs goes high
2016-02-02T01:06:23 < upgrdman_> because that's what needs to be done to talk to the spi peripheral properly
2016-02-02T01:06:41 < kakimir> I would just drive that cs manually
2016-02-02T01:06:57 < kakimir> because I dont think there is way to alter that function of CS
2016-02-02T01:07:15 < kakimir> hmm
2016-02-02T01:07:25 < kakimir> try burst size 32?
2016-02-02T01:07:32 < kakimir> and transfer size 1
2016-02-02T01:08:20 < upgrdman_> tried that, didnt work
2016-02-02T01:08:22 < kakimir> is there any frame synchronisation between byts?
2016-02-02T01:08:31 < kakimir> should there be
2016-02-02T01:08:34 < crt> [];
2016-02-02T01:08:36 < upgrdman_> frame sync?
2016-02-02T01:08:51 < kakimir> clock going to default state for a time or so
2016-02-02T01:08:57 < upgrdman_> no
2016-02-02T01:09:02 < kakimir> I dont really know about spi too much
2016-02-02T01:10:28 < kakimir> is there usually anything between frames
2016-02-02T01:10:55 < kakimir> if mcu is fast enought to put data out at phase
2016-02-02T01:14:16 < kakimir> or is it when the whole whatever size chunk is done
2016-02-02T01:14:29 < kakimir> then it syncs with cs
2016-02-02T01:14:59 < kakimir> or timeout sync
2016-02-02T01:20:05 < upgrdman_> hmm and ya a transfer size of 1 does not and could not work anyway. it needs to auto-increment through the bytes, and it only increments between transfers
2016-02-02T01:21:22 < upgrdman_> fuck it, time to reread the GPDMA chapter to see if i have any luck, or i'll just drive chip select manually.
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2016-02-02T02:12:58 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSiRkpgwVKY
2016-02-02T02:13:08 < kakimir> this dude
2016-02-02T02:13:20 < aandrew> https://youtu.be/CR7Q1ai-qR4?t=482 hahaha
2016-02-02T02:22:34 < Laurenceb_> trump is the god emperor
2016-02-02T02:22:39 < Laurenceb_> king of /pol/
2016-02-02T02:23:10 < Laurenceb_> hes also an obvious troll :D
2016-02-02T02:23:45 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Donald_Trump
2016-02-02T02:31:07 < crt> yup
2016-02-02T02:40:25 < kakimir> what device reads 256bits at once
2016-02-02T02:40:38 < kakimir> referring to upgrdman doing something
2016-02-02T02:42:18 < kakimir> and some reason preferred to have that data in bytes instead of halfwors
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2016-02-02T03:33:58 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Matlab-Mathematica/EMF-Power-Harvesting-Circuit-Design/
2016-02-02T03:36:30 < aandrew> dongs you'd have fun on the hackaday comments about the old (but newer) FTDI driver update
2016-02-02T03:36:50 < dongs> aandrew: ive got tweeted it yesterday
2016-02-02T03:36:58 < dongs> seems boring since nobody serious would use ftdi in 2016
2016-02-02T03:37:26 < aandrew> I just like all the BUT WHAT IF SOMEONE DIES BECAUSE A MEDICAL DEVICE STOPPED WORKING whining
2016-02-02T03:37:51 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-02T03:37:59 < crt> ah yeah
2016-02-02T03:38:05 < dongs> some blag thread i was linked said something about some machine that would start a saw and cut worker in half
2016-02-02T03:38:07 < englishman> lol
2016-02-02T03:38:12 < dongs> after receiving UNAUTORIZED  DEVICE string
2016-02-02T03:38:13 < crt> what's wrong with ftdi?
2016-02-02T03:38:30 < dongs> crt: duno, overpriced usb>serial
2016-02-02T03:38:35 < dongs> any micro in 2016 can do usb cdc for free
2016-02-02T03:38:37 < englishman> and huge
2016-02-02T03:38:39 < dongs> yes
2016-02-02T03:38:42 < crt> yeah so like apple
2016-02-02T03:38:48 < crt> true that too
2016-02-02T03:39:00 < aandrew> dongs: you still recommend quickturnpcb.co.kr?
2016-02-02T03:39:48 < dongs> aandrew: no idea, i never used them
2016-02-02T03:39:55 < dongs> stonererror does
2016-02-02T03:40:03 < aandrew> ah I thought you recommended them to me
2016-02-02T03:40:06 < dongs> nope
2016-02-02T03:40:27 < aandrew> their prices are very good
2016-02-02T03:40:35 < dongs> go for it
2016-02-02T03:40:45 < dongs> from pics i remember stoner posting the boards looked pretty good
2016-02-02T03:41:10 < englishman> they have that inkjet silk
2016-02-02T03:41:13 < englishman> not silkscreened
2016-02-02T03:41:31 < dongs> no, neither
2016-02-02T03:41:38 < aandrew> 5 panels of 4 layer, ENIG, 8x12 panel is like $600 plus shipping
2016-02-02T03:41:42 < dongs> its litho process silk, made same way as mask layers
2016-02-02T03:41:52 < aandrew> for 7 day turn
2016-02-02T03:41:54 < dongs> aandrew: if youre buying that much you better get a quote from me
2016-02-02T03:42:07 < aandrew> you make PCBs?
2016-02-02T03:42:12 < englishman> it looked like good silk anyway
2016-02-02T03:42:29 < englishman> without the photolith bubbles
2016-02-02T03:42:47 < dongs> silkscreen = ok but crappy rez, inkjet = what chinafaggots do, that blocky stuff that looks like someone shitted dots through a 100dpi head
2016-02-02T03:43:12 < dongs> also chinasilk is NEVER aligned, so you see jaggies on every straight line for some fucked up reason
2016-02-02T03:43:45 < dongs> aandrew: send me data and i'll tell you, NDA of course.
2016-02-02T03:43:53 < aandrew> sure, PM me your email again
2016-02-02T03:44:08 < dongs>  /noticed
2016-02-02T03:44:10 < dongs> same as before, anyway
2016-02-02T03:44:23 < englishman> aandrew: youre canadian right
2016-02-02T03:45:37 < aandrew> yep
2016-02-02T03:45:39 < aandrew> sent
2016-02-02T03:45:54 < englishman> sorry to hear that
2016-02-02T03:45:58 < aandrew> lol
2016-02-02T03:49:35 < aandrew> panelizing in alitum was pretty painless
2016-02-02T03:49:48 < dongs> usually i let the cam pro panelize that shit
2016-02-02T03:49:55 < aandrew> I think the python panelizer is better for squeezing multiple deisgns into the smallest space but setting it up was pretty easy
2016-02-02T03:50:01 < aandrew> haven't played with that sw
2016-02-02T03:52:21 < Laurenceb_> <dongs> any micro in 2016 can do usb cdc for free
2016-02-02T03:52:26 < Laurenceb_> le current year
2016-02-02T03:52:41 < dongs> yeah? not sure what youre trying to say
2016-02-02T03:53:25 < Laurenceb_> https://funnyjunk.com/channel/fallout/It+s+2015/awNfLnj/102
2016-02-02T03:54:13 < dongs> aandrew: on it, will let you know back by email soon
2016-02-02T03:54:21 < aandrew> np
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2016-02-02T03:59:29 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgur.com/JqHHCHl.png
2016-02-02T04:01:18 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SfSx9ts46A reminds me of that talking toy freelancer job
2016-02-02T04:02:16 < Laurenceb_> here is a job for you
2016-02-02T04:02:18 < Laurenceb_> http://www.adultwork.com/ViewProfile.asp?UserID=1452977&Keywords=&KeySearch=1&TargetURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eadultwork%2Ecom%2FSearch%2Easp%3FRefreshVar%3D02%252F02%252F2016%2B02%253A01%253A46%26CommandID%3D1%26cboCountryID%3D123%26cbxGenderID%3D%26cboLastUpdated%3D27%252F01%252F2016&NavUserIDs=2371564x2764814x3240958x2207561x3171524x2650351x2576246x2170923x1879011x1898946x1694417x1717797x1452977
2016-02-02T04:05:22 < Laurenceb_> unless that _is_ kakimir
2016-02-02T04:05:35 < dongs> aandrew: copper 1oz on all layers?
2016-02-02T04:05:40 < dongs> standard is hoz/1/1/hoz
2016-02-02T04:06:08 < aandrew> dongs: yeah, outer layers are probably 0.5 plated up to 1
2016-02-02T04:06:19 < aandrew> hoz? hot air solder levelled?
2016-02-02T04:06:23 < dongs> 1/2oz
2016-02-02T04:06:28 < aandrew> ah
2016-02-02T04:06:29 < aandrew> yeah
2016-02-02T04:06:32 < aandrew> 0.5/1/1/0.5
2016-02-02T04:06:35 < dongs> right, kk
2016-02-02T04:16:41 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/STM-microcontroller-firmware/
2016-02-02T04:16:42 < dongs> ahahahah
2016-02-02T04:16:50 < dongs> the turk requoted F0 firmware job at $2-8/hr budget
2016-02-02T04:16:54 < dongs> holy fuck what a joke
2016-02-02T04:18:25 < fenugrec> well if you can get 3 meals for 1$, it makes sense
2016-02-02T04:20:07 < dongs> i'd probly do it for liek 50/hr
2016-02-02T04:20:21 < dongs> use keil USB CDC driver so I dont have to fuck wiht USB shit
2016-02-02T04:20:30 < dongs> the rest is trivial
2016-02-02T04:20:43 < dongs> turk would even get a signed driver for free
2016-02-02T04:20:48 < dongs> then again in turkey they probly dont evne use windows
2016-02-02T04:20:54 < dongs> so he wouldnt care
2016-02-02T04:21:02 < aandrew> well they windows ISIS edition
2016-02-02T04:21:17 < dongs> oh, pakistan
2016-02-02T04:21:20 < dongs> not turkey
2016-02-02T04:21:21 < dongs> same shit thol
2016-02-02T04:21:39 < aandrew> all your comments and variable names in Urdo or something
2016-02-02T04:22:43 < dongs> http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20160127PD204.html haha
2016-02-02T04:23:10 < dongs> > Apple believes that despite a decline in the tablet market and increased competition globally, it still has a base of dedicated customers who are looking to upgrade their iPads, the makers noted.
2016-02-02T04:23:45 < dongs> so basically the only business apple ever hopes to get is from the wankers who'd get shamed into buying new apple trash because its t ime to upgrade
2016-02-02T04:23:55 < englishman> meanwhile ignoring actually useful surface pro, lenovo yoga, toshiba radius
2016-02-02T04:24:23 < dongs> what the fuck would one do on a 4K apple tablet anyway
2016-02-02T04:24:34 < dongs> the apps are not dynamically scaled
2016-02-02T04:24:39 < englishman> pos terminal at a coffee shop
2016-02-02T04:24:47 < dongs> so it will just run 90% of apps as 1024x768 scaled up to 4k
2016-02-02T04:44:17 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bg586-wl38
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2016-02-02T06:01:30 < jadew> sup?
2016-02-02T06:06:01 < dongs> aandrew: e-maled
2016-02-02T06:07:04 < jadew> cuda is custom logic
2016-02-02T06:07:10 < jadew> like a FPGA
2016-02-02T06:07:20 < jadew> yeah, but you define it for custom tasks
2016-02-02T06:07:39 < jadew> so if you need extra juice for a particular task, you can use the GPU for that
2016-02-02T06:08:31 < jadew> I'm not familiar with the 3d stuff, but I believe that direct3d only provides a standardised API to the hardware accelerated features
2016-02-02T06:08:38 < jadew> so stuff that's built-in to the card
2016-02-02T06:08:48 < jadew> into the GPU
2016-02-02T06:09:04 < jadew> while CUDA is for everything else (stuff that isn't built in)
2016-02-02T06:09:21 < jadew> I don't know
2016-02-02T06:09:42 < jadew> but I don't think they would
2016-02-02T06:10:01 < jadew> I suppose the 3d engine they'd use would have various ways of doing the same thihng
2016-02-02T06:10:12 < jadew> and it would chose which way to do it based on the system
2016-02-02T06:10:38 < jadew> so they would just have an API call that said "blur this()"
2016-02-02T06:11:13 < jadew> and then the engine would use either the CPU, the hardware acceleration or custom CUDA / or whatever other manufacturers use to perform that
2016-02-02T06:11:26 < jadew> lots of people
2016-02-02T06:11:41 < jadew> I used CUDA to experiment with superresolution
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2016-02-02T06:11:52 < aandrew> dongs: nice. Are they shut down for CNY like the rest of asia?
2016-02-02T06:12:02 < jadew> I don't know how much it's being used for graphics, but I have to assume that a lot
2016-02-02T06:12:45 < jadew> yeah
2016-02-02T06:12:50 < jadew> it's useful for a lot of things
2016-02-02T06:12:58 < jadew> bit coiners use it to compute hashes for example
2016-02-02T06:13:17 < dongs> aandrew: of course not
2016-02-02T06:13:25 < dongs> it can be ordered today and will ship friday
2016-02-02T06:13:27 < jadew> there isn't
2016-02-02T06:14:04 < dongs> lemme confirm this for sure because 4L , but i think should be OK
2016-02-02T06:14:10 < jadew> the nVidia drivers could load custom cores into the GPU and expose that to direct3d as native functionality
2016-02-02T06:14:35 < dongs> been a while since I got some viogra med spam
2016-02-02T06:14:37 < jadew> it can be used in any number of ways
2016-02-02T06:15:30 < jadew> yeah and if they'd need extra juice for something, they'd look further
2016-02-02T06:16:24 < jadew> I'm really not familiar with the industry, but I'm pretty sure there's a divide between game developers and and game engine developers
2016-02-02T06:16:57 < jadew> yeah, VS, but I didn't write the code
2016-02-02T06:17:06 < jadew> it was part of a library
2016-02-02T06:17:11 < jadew> and I had to compile it
2016-02-02T06:17:17 < dongs> aandrew: btw, protip, since your vias are 0.5mm outer, you should use 0.3mm drills
2016-02-02T06:18:12 < aandrew> every board house is different with the recommended annular ring
2016-02-02T06:18:31 < dongs> yeah. well, here i'd say do 0.3/0.5 since its standard
2016-02-02T06:18:34 < aandrew> I figured with 0.2mm/0.5mm there's headroom
2016-02-02T06:18:40 < dongs> i've looked over and there's no reason to have any small drills anywhere in your board
2016-02-02T06:18:43 < aandrew> fair enough
2016-02-02T06:18:45 < aandrew> no there isn't
2016-02-02T06:23:08 < dongs> by when do you need the stuff to arrive?
2016-02-02T06:27:48 < Rob235> anyone watching the ted cruz speech? who is that crazy guy behind him?
2016-02-02T06:29:47 < dongs> R2COM: no, we don't do spacex materials. but other spec is doable if you pay for it.
2016-02-02T06:30:24 < dongs> 5/5 is standard, 10mil drill is like 10% price up, but no impedance control / FR40x shit.
2016-02-02T06:30:32 < dongs> maybe doable, been a while since ichecked
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2016-02-02T06:33:01 < ds2> is that material stocking thing?
2016-02-02T06:33:05 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-02T06:33:11 < dongs> weird american-made FR4
2016-02-02T06:33:16 < dongs> that makes pointy haired bosses happier
2016-02-02T06:33:42 < ds2> do you guys do flex?
2016-02-02T06:34:08 < dongs> flexpcb? yeah but its expensive for prototypes, production cost is reasonable tho
2016-02-02T06:34:22 < ds2> what's the reason for the cost?
2016-02-02T06:34:30 < dongs> initial cost
2016-02-02T06:34:41 < ds2> you mean dies for cutting it or?
2016-02-02T06:35:30 < ds2> trying to see if untrimed flex can be had cheaper
2016-02-02T06:35:53 < dongs> you mean like just a sheet with stuff that you can later xacto cut yourself?
2016-02-02T06:36:15 < dongs> getting into stoner territory here
2016-02-02T06:36:26 < dongs> trying to save $10 to lose $100 in time
2016-02-02T06:36:41 < ds2> some fabs are claiming the cutting is a  large part of the costs
2016-02-02T06:36:56 < ds2> if so, I'll hand cut my protos if I can get them with the copper on there
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2016-02-02T06:37:25 < dongs> i can check what takes up the most of setup cost on flex.
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2016-02-02T06:37:51 < ds2> that'd be very much appreciated
2016-02-02T06:37:58 < emeb_mac> ds2: any luck with the ADC board?
2016-02-02T06:38:48 < ds2> emeb_mac: yes... slowly. I can get a nice clean digitization of a 400KHz sine wave while sampling at 8MHz
2016-02-02T06:39:16 < ds2> next is to populate the RF end (pre-amp, filter, and a buffer
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2016-02-02T06:40:53 < ds2> so far only 2 real bugs but had to reshuffle some signals to keep the BB side happy
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2016-02-02T06:47:49 < emeb_mac> ds2: sounds like progress.
2016-02-02T06:48:22 < emeb_mac> ds2: using the PMU to grab the ADC inputs?
2016-02-02T06:48:42 < ds2> yes, the PRU
2016-02-02T06:48:52 < ds2> it generates the clock
2016-02-02T06:50:36 < emeb_mac> ds2: got a kernel driver to pull in samples for userland apps to process?
2016-02-02T06:50:58 < ds2> I will when I get a proper firmware in the PRU
2016-02-02T06:51:18 < ds2> right now, all it does is gather 4K samples and stop (16bits, 8K RAM)
2016-02-02T06:51:40 < ds2> already got a driver to do that for video data so it shouldn
2016-02-02T06:51:42 < ds2> t be too hard
2016-02-02T06:52:06 < ds2> since I have a spare PRU, thinking of using it for decimation and an NCO
2016-02-02T06:52:45 < emeb_mac> good plan - keep those processors busy.
2016-02-02T06:52:58 < ds2> that and it keeps down the interrupt rate
2016-02-02T06:53:29 < emeb_mac> ds2: yeah - try to get as much done outside of the linux side.
2016-02-02T06:53:56 < ds2> that's the easy stuff, the hard part is getting the RF stuff to behave
2016-02-02T06:54:12 < timemob> r2pro: ya can do controlled impedance
2016-02-02T06:55:00 < ds2> emeb_mac: I am a little surprised at how clean the signal appears to the eye (compared to the stuff I saw from the onboard ADC)
2016-02-02T06:57:25 < emeb_mac> ds2: well, the off-chip ADC doesn't have nearly as much substrate noise to deal with as the on-chip converter.
2016-02-02T06:58:26 < emeb_mac> ds2: when you get the RF ckts running the major noise contribution will probably come from there (depending on how much gain you've got)
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2016-02-02T06:59:37 < ds2> emeb_mac: that's another concern - donno if I have enough... the pre-amp I tossed in should give me 20-30dB but I cannot seem to find a good estimate on how strong is an AM broadcast signal
2016-02-02T07:00:06 < emeb_mac> ds2: it varies so much with antenna, location, etc.
2016-02-02T07:00:17 < emeb_mac> just be prepared to pad it down.
2016-02-02T07:00:31 < ds2> down?
2016-02-02T07:00:37 < ds2> I am worry about having to put in more pre-amps
2016-02-02T07:01:04 < emeb_mac> ds2: the main thing I saw was that the strong nearby stations would saturate the ADC.
2016-02-02T07:01:08 < ds2> I can stuff the board to bypass the preamp if it is really that strong
2016-02-02T07:01:25 < ds2> where are the towers in your area?
2016-02-02T07:01:46 < emeb_mac> ds2: all over - some on S. Mtn, some in the Salt River channel.
2016-02-02T07:02:07 < emeb_mac> ds2: KMIK is about 10mi away and it's a 50kW station
2016-02-02T07:03:11 < ds2> hmmm
2016-02-02T07:03:25 < ds2> i know you have a much better antenna then me
2016-02-02T07:03:38 < emeb_mac> ds2: it's just a long wire in the attic
2016-02-02T07:03:47 < emeb_mac> but it does seem to do fairly well.
2016-02-02T07:03:58 < ds2> my plan is to use my scrap of twin leads (<10ft) and just short the 2 leads to gether so it acts as a wire
2016-02-02T07:04:32 < ds2> my luck with AM radio hasn't been too good. even regen radios don't work well for me
2016-02-02T07:05:57 < ds2> ADI chip
2016-02-02T07:06:42 < emeb_mac> ds2: I'm working on a 6-way switch to select lowpass filters for my QSD project
2016-02-02T07:06:52 < ds2> emeb_mac: electronic or mechanical?
2016-02-02T07:07:11 < emeb_mac> ds2: electronic - some Skyworks SP6T chip
2016-02-02T07:07:19 < emeb_mac> with some 5th-order LC filters
2016-02-02T07:07:46 < ds2> ohhh
2016-02-02T07:07:56 < ds2> emeb_mac: aren't switching simple enough to do with diodes?
2016-02-02T07:08:10 < ds2> R2COM: donno. not near bench or the BOM
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2016-02-02T07:08:18 < emeb_mac> ds2: maybe - but these are simple to use
2016-02-02T07:08:31 < emeb_mac> R2COM: I think it's this - http://www.analog.com/en/products/analog-to-digital-converters/ad-converters/ad9203.html
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2016-02-02T07:08:59 < ds2> 40MSPS
2016-02-02T07:09:02 < ds2> 10bit
2016-02-02T07:09:38 < emeb_mac> I've used that chip for some SDR stuff - works well.
2016-02-02T07:09:44 < ds2> emeb_mac: I see... supposely you can also get away with stuff like the 4026
2016-02-02T07:09:58 < emeb_mac> ds2: wouldn't surprise me
2016-02-02T07:10:33 < emeb_mac> but I wanted something with low Ron that was nicely matched for 50ohm
2016-02-02T07:10:42 < ds2> ah
2016-02-02T07:10:55 < ds2> R2COM: I used it cuz emeb_mac didn't run into issues with it :D
2016-02-02T07:11:04 < ds2> it has a brain dead simple interface
2016-02-02T07:12:26 < emeb_mac> R2COM: my board with that ADC -> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/radio/rxadc/index.html
2016-02-02T07:12:44 < emeb_mac> works good, esp with that driver amp set for 10x gain.
2016-02-02T07:13:06 < ds2> I am using discrete drivers in my version
2016-02-02T07:13:08 < ds2> and no FPGAs
2016-02-02T07:13:43 < emeb_mac> :)
2016-02-02T07:13:50 < emeb_mac> FPGAs rule
2016-02-02T07:14:05 < ds2> giant ass BGAs
2016-02-02T07:14:46 < emeb_mac> ds2: nah - I use LQFP versions
2016-02-02T07:14:47 < ds2> yet another language to learn
2016-02-02T07:14:55 < emeb_mac> there's that.
2016-02-02T07:15:01 < ds2> Xilinx makes LQFP versions?!
2016-02-02T07:15:04 < emeb_mac> but I learned that long ago
2016-02-02T07:15:19 < ds2> then there is that giant ass piece of SW
2016-02-02T07:15:26 < emeb_mac> ds2: yes - Spartan 6 comes in 100 and 144 pin QFP pkgs
2016-02-02T07:16:47 < ds2> it is a damn language
2016-02-02T07:17:01 < ds2> if you were using palasm or something that directly impacts the blocks, then it is digital design
2016-02-02T07:17:16 < emeb_mac> ds2: but it does directly impact the blocks.
2016-02-02T07:17:29 < ds2> I disagree
2016-02-02T07:17:38 < ds2> nothing impacts the blocks til you go through the magic of synthesis
2016-02-02T07:17:50 < emeb_mac> there are issues of parallelism that you can't ignore at the language level.
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2016-02-02T07:17:59 < ds2> there are parallel "languages"
2016-02-02T07:18:05 < emeb_mac> if you don't think "hardware" while writing the code then you will fail.
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2016-02-02T07:18:58 < emeb_mac> R2COM: that's the correct way to do it.
2016-02-02T07:19:10  * crt starts having a seizure when thinking about state machines
2016-02-02T07:19:17 < ds2> don't work if you want combinatorial logic ;)
2016-02-02T07:19:35 < emeb_mac> crt: state machines are fun!
2016-02-02T07:19:44 < crt> yeah maybe it was this lecturer i used to have
2016-02-02T07:20:12 < crt> nah everything else was fun even the things people hated
2016-02-02T07:20:14 < emeb_mac> I have a colleague who thinks entirely in bubble diagrams
2016-02-02T07:20:21 < emeb_mac> even when he writes software. :)
2016-02-02T07:20:25 < crt> neat
2016-02-02T07:20:27 < ds2> friends of xkcd? ;)
2016-02-02T07:20:55 < emeb_mac> R2COM: there are some things we don't talk about.
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2016-02-02T07:42:24 < crt> welcome to australia http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/man-allegedly-steals-more-than-20-pairs-of-undies/news-story/c4e053dd111356502ef32d8acbd429ce
2016-02-02T07:43:54 < emeb_mac> eww
2016-02-02T07:44:12 < crt> tfw no gf?
2016-02-02T07:44:27 < crt> he's after the dirties pair
2016-02-02T07:46:16 < crt> is he aussie?
2016-02-02T07:46:31 < crt> oh no
2016-02-02T07:46:43 < crt> i thought it was just me and ivan
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2016-02-02T08:27:17 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Graphic-Design/Help-website-Blogger-expets-Come/ HELP ME WEBSITE, lmafo
2016-02-02T08:27:24 < crt> ffs
2016-02-02T08:28:03 < crt> is $750 the deal for their whole project
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2016-02-02T08:28:12 < dongs> its how much the're willing to spend yeah
2016-02-02T08:28:14 < crt> cause i won't even read their babbling shit for that
2016-02-02T08:28:20 < crt> what a bunch of jokers
2016-02-02T08:28:33 < dongs> help me shot web
2016-02-02T08:28:47 < crt> like the buck converter twat
2016-02-02T08:28:58 < crt> couldn't even work out what he wanted, a fucking schematic is that it?
2016-02-02T08:30:17 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/buck-boost-converter/
2016-02-02T08:30:25 < crt> half these knobs don't even know what they want or what they need
2016-02-02T08:30:46 < dongs> 50-60A buckboost
2016-02-02T08:30:46 < dongs> 12500 Indian Rupee equals
2016-02-02T08:30:46 < dongs> 184.107 US Dollar
2016-02-02T08:31:02 < dongs> lemme get right on that
2016-02-02T08:31:06 < crt> fuckin twats
2016-02-02T08:31:07 < crt> also
2016-02-02T08:31:24 < crt> does it need to pass fcc part xx etc
2016-02-02T08:31:42 < crt> these people are jokers
2016-02-02T08:32:38 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/small-electronic-devices-prototype/ vague shit like this
2016-02-02T08:32:42 < dongs> like rally wawt
2016-02-02T08:32:57 < dongs> > actualy we need first to crate prototype of two devices,small and easy to produce for any electronic manufacturer, there are 2 devices one to wear on like watch or pandant, and other device as receiver, both not larger than 3cm ... if the divices coming near this cause audio alarm...and speaking alarm...
2016-02-02T08:33:04 < upgrdman> lol  http://www.ksby.com/story/31112968/morro-bay-burger-king-suffers-35000-in-damages
2016-02-02T08:33:04 < dongs> ???? country: usa
2016-02-02T08:33:50 < upgrdman> prank call convinced employees to break windows
2016-02-02T08:34:00 < crt> this is stupid
2016-02-02T08:34:02 < upgrdman> pranker claimed to be from the fire department
2016-02-02T08:35:14 < crt> yeah right
2016-02-02T08:35:48 < crt> 9/10 people i deal with are dumber than that
2016-02-02T08:37:33 < crt> feel like sending the buckboost guy this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KD0I5boZkM
2016-02-02T08:38:15 < crt> the solution is a chainsaw.
2016-02-02T08:38:19 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Copywriting/Penis-Enlargement-SEO-Articles/
2016-02-02T08:38:43 < crt> right
2016-02-02T08:38:54 < crt> this site is becoming more of a joke by the minute.
2016-02-02T08:39:51 < crt> also http://i.imgur.com/93ifKYl.jpg
2016-02-02T08:40:31 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/XXX-Dating/need-large-number-male-female/
2016-02-02T08:40:32 < dongs> ahaha
2016-02-02T08:40:41 < dongs> crt: haha wat is this trash
2016-02-02T08:40:46 < dongs> PID pro?
2016-02-02T08:41:03 < crt> fir
2016-02-02T08:41:21 < crt> just a generalized block diagram of fir filter
2016-02-02T08:41:32 < dongs> yeah jsut saw it on kikepedia
2016-02-02T08:41:49 < crt> h(whatever) are just weighting coefficients
2016-02-02T08:42:09 < crt> i just use filterbuilder mate
2016-02-02T08:42:30 < crt> it's great attempting brick wall filters with
2016-02-02T08:45:23 < crt> penis size (lenght & circumference), preferred time of work
2016-02-02T08:45:24 < crt> lol
2016-02-02T08:45:38 < crt> can't they fix the spelling  errors with google?
2016-02-02T08:49:20 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/cam-cam-sex-help-shoot/
2016-02-02T08:52:00 < crt> wtf
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2016-02-02T08:55:14 < crt> what a filthy prick
2016-02-02T09:03:42 < crt> wat
2016-02-02T09:03:47 < crt> ya fuckin canuk
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2016-02-02T09:22:47 < crt> ah fuckin ell
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2016-02-02T09:37:25 < crt> think i might take tomorrow off work to design these bastads
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2016-02-02T09:39:13 < dongs> ds2: pretty awful. 10x10cm sheet that you can abuse in whatever way, 400, 2L 510, and thats without cutting.
2016-02-02T09:39:27 < dongs> 1L = 400 that is
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2016-02-02T12:17:32 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ff1_1454402944 RIP PeterM
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2016-02-02T12:45:32 < mitrax_> good thing there's a disclaimer
2016-02-02T12:45:37 < mitrax_> i'm about to eat
2016-02-02T12:46:43 < dongs> ror
2016-02-02T12:48:43 < mitrax_> call me a sissy but that's the kind of shit that can me sick for the whole day
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2016-02-02T13:00:51 < Taxman> mitrax_: French lunch?
2016-02-02T13:05:21 < mitrax_> italian actually :) roman style chicken
2016-02-02T13:22:48 < dongs> o crap i didnt notice ida4.9 was out
2016-02-02T13:23:28 < dongs>  * We switched from PySide to PyQt; from Qt4 to Qt5; from VS2010 to VS2015.
2016-02-02T13:23:28 < dongs>    All these changes are mostly internal but using newer libraries and
2016-02-02T13:23:28 < dongs>    development tools should improve your experience with IDA.
2016-02-02T13:23:30 < dongs> hheh
2016-02-02T13:25:39 < dongs> err 6.9
2016-02-02T13:31:11 < Sync> ye, it is noice
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2016-02-02T14:38:49 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/NQaCM
2016-02-02T14:41:21 < mitrax_> ahahah
2016-02-02T14:42:31 < mitrax_> is that a custom 3d printer?
2016-02-02T14:42:47 < dongs> sure, its some shit my pal is trying to dickstart
2016-02-02T14:42:56 < dongs> im helping wiht some lowlevel firmware shit
2016-02-02T14:43:07 < mitrax_> interesting
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2016-02-02T14:45:27 < Sync> doesn't look too shittay dongs, need to link the diqstart when it is up
2016-02-02T14:45:55 < kakimir> dongs: will he bankrupt
2016-02-02T14:45:56 < kakimir> ?
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2016-02-02T14:46:13 < kakimir> it's printing a penis
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2016-02-02T14:46:23 < dongs> boy you're quick
2016-02-02T14:50:07 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/eQVmVO5.gifv
2016-02-02T14:50:10 < dongs> haha holy shit
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2016-02-02T14:56:30 < kakimir> they saved.. 10bucks?
2016-02-02T14:57:01 < dongs> eclipse still needs java, right?
2016-02-02T14:57:26 < kakimir> it still have it included?
2016-02-02T14:57:43 < kakimir> nobody knows
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2016-02-02T14:59:26 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Electrical-PCB-design-UPS-backup/
2016-02-02T15:02:06 < dongs> kakimir: looks like your pals from .se
2016-02-02T15:04:22 < kakimir> that is interesting project and future shiet
2016-02-02T15:04:49 < kakimir> and if someone makes functional shiet for that price
2016-02-02T15:05:36 < kakimir> multicharger multivoltage output ups with usb control
2016-02-02T15:05:43 < kakimir> to latest windows
2016-02-02T15:06:21 < kakimir> oh they have found open sores project to base it on
2016-02-02T15:06:24 < kakimir> then it makes sense
2016-02-02T15:08:14 < dongs> its not opensores
2016-02-02T15:08:22 < dongs> o wait schematics
2016-02-02T15:08:23 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-02T15:08:28 < kakimir> just.. where
2016-02-02T15:08:33 < dongs> hm no, cables only
2016-02-02T15:09:27 < kakimir> what they can power with this http://www.mini-box.com/OpenUPS2
2016-02-02T15:09:37 < kakimir> some arduino?
2016-02-02T15:10:35 < Sync> dongs: one of those pros who think that they can do it better on their own
2016-02-02T15:10:41 < Sync> if there is a product, use it
2016-02-02T15:10:42 < Sync> :D
2016-02-02T15:11:12 < dongs> Sync: yeah, no shit
2016-02-02T15:11:21 < dongs> they'er asking someone to develop a thing from scratch for few hundred bucks
2016-02-02T15:11:28 < dongs> when tehy can just BUY one for <$100
2016-02-02T15:14:16 < kakimir> because board is too big for them
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2016-02-02T15:20:14 < kakimir> I got new job match
2016-02-02T15:20:34 < kakimir> to make some sort of harvesting device for magnetic fields under high voltage lines
2016-02-02T15:20:49 < kakimir> to power 30w computer
2016-02-02T15:21:11 < kakimir> I just wonder how many hundred meters that antenna needs to be
2016-02-02T15:21:52 < dongs> i pasted that already
2016-02-02T15:22:00 < dongs> 10:33 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Matlab-Mathematica/EMF-Power-Harvesting-Circuit-Design/
2016-02-02T15:22:03 < dongs> at 10am this morning
2016-02-02T15:22:24 < dongs> donno why its under MATLAB section
2016-02-02T15:23:47 < kakimir> he wants some math in it
2016-02-02T15:23:59 < kakimir> it that project how plausable dongs ?
2016-02-02T15:24:40 < kakimir> doesn't magnetic fields little bit cancel each other out so sum wont be that much after all
2016-02-02T15:24:45 < dongs> calculate it real quick
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2016-02-02T15:24:50 < dongs> no, you can definitely harvest from power lines
2016-02-02T15:24:53 < dongs> just a matter of how much
2016-02-02T15:25:19 < kakimir> mushrooms I eat enjoy powerlines
2016-02-02T15:25:38 < kakimir> they follow the line where ever it goes
2016-02-02T15:25:44 < dongs> https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~vikramg/docs/hotemnets11.pdf
2016-02-02T15:25:49 < dongs> 'feasibility study'
2016-02-02T15:26:54 < kakimir> Given that
2016-02-02T15:26:54 < kakimir> the live and neutral wires carrying current in opposite directions
2016-02-02T15:26:54 < kakimir> are usually placed close together, the magnetic fields
2016-02-02T15:26:56 < kakimir> produced by them should cancel each other. I
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2016-02-02T15:27:53 < kakimir> I build a house under powerline and place some big ass coil in the attic
2016-02-02T15:28:21 < kakimir> "free" energy
2016-02-02T15:29:31 < kakimir> same project is in guru.com
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2016-02-02T15:32:57 < Laurenceb_> yeah why dont you create a free energy device
2016-02-02T15:33:13 < dongs> is guru.com indian only
2016-02-02T15:34:03 < kakimir> 60% indian/pakistani
2016-02-02T15:34:12 < kakimir> 20% east europe
2016-02-02T15:34:21 < kakimir> 20% murican and cannuck
2016-02-02T15:34:24 < mitrax_> when you update the prescaler of a timer (TIMX_PSC) do you need to set the UG bit in the TIMX_EGR reg for the new prescaler value to be loaded?
2016-02-02T15:34:56 < dongs> mitrax_: see how stdperiphlib does it?
2016-02-02T15:35:20 < dongs> https://cdn5.f-cdn.com/ppic/18094469/logo/18450614/2SBcs/profile_logo_.JPG
2016-02-02T15:35:23 < dongs> what tarduino is this
2016-02-02T15:35:33 < mitrax_> yeah that seems to be the way it works
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2016-02-02T15:40:42 < kakimir> dongs: it says RFarmer
2016-02-02T15:41:45 < kakimir> https://hackaday.io/project/2028-nandfarm-rfarmer
2016-02-02T15:42:04 < dongs> pro
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2016-02-02T15:42:43 < kakimir> are you saying that atmel has their retarduino chipss now with wireless?
2016-02-02T15:43:21 < kakimir> didnt know that
2016-02-02T15:43:39 < kakimir> dongs: do you sell dick n picking?
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2016-02-02T15:47:34 < kakimir> buddy price ofc.?
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2016-02-02T15:55:45 < dongs> depends how lame the project is
2016-02-02T15:56:38 < kakimir> good
2016-02-02T15:57:13 < kakimir> interesting projects at buddy price?
2016-02-02T15:57:21 < kakimir> lame projects 200% price
2016-02-02T15:57:39 < dongs> lame projects get a dickbutt drawn on every board
2016-02-02T15:58:07 < kakimir> yes
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2016-02-02T16:36:43 < Taxman> https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/694508941104005120
2016-02-02T16:37:23 < dongs> cool
2016-02-02T16:41:20 < kakimir> niggers having a blast
2016-02-02T16:42:07 < dongs> literally
2016-02-02T16:44:48 < englishman> wait
2016-02-02T16:44:54 < englishman> american politics are decided witha coin toss?
2016-02-02T16:44:57 < englishman> is this a joke?
2016-02-02T16:45:01 < englishman> or is your country a joke
2016-02-02T16:45:08 < dongs> usa -> shitheap
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2016-02-02T16:54:54 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Arduino-based-controller-design-for/
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2016-02-02T16:54:57 < dongs> haha
2016-02-02T16:55:12 < dongs> 12500 Indian Rupee equals
2016-02-02T16:55:13 < dongs> 183.879 US Dollar
2016-02-02T16:55:56 < jadew`> that's not bad
2016-02-02T16:56:00 < englishman> thats less than a swagway costs
2016-02-02T16:56:34 < jadew`> there used to be a time when 1 USD = 30 000 romanian lei
2016-02-02T16:57:21 < jadew`> you can get like... a hooker for 10 000
2016-02-02T16:57:35 < dongs> wtf
2016-02-02T16:57:40 < dongs> some paki just relisted that UPS thing
2016-02-02T16:57:42 < dongs> as a $30k project
2016-02-02T16:57:43 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Electrical-PCB-design-UPS-backup-9538963/
2016-02-02T16:57:48 < dongs> direct copypaste of the other one
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2016-02-02T16:58:33 < jadew`> btw, I'm bullshitting you about the 10k rol for a hooker
2016-02-02T16:58:36 < jadew`> don't come here for that
2016-02-02T16:58:56 < jadew`> dongs, why do you browser freelance sites?
2016-02-02T16:59:06 < jadew`> don't you know you can't compete with indians?
2016-02-02T16:59:10 < englishman> i can pay for a hooker in lei and get leid
2016-02-02T16:59:16 < englishman> sounds like a great vacation
2016-02-02T16:59:16 < jadew`> haha
2016-02-02T16:59:52 < jadew`> the conversion rate between how much you want for a task vs how much an indian wants for a task is 200:1
2016-02-02T17:00:59 < jadew`> you'll place a bid for 2k, someone else will place a bid for 1.5k then 20 indians will place bids for 15, 14.50, 11 and 9.99
2016-02-02T17:02:52 < jadew`> the cost of living must be really low there
2016-02-02T17:03:35 < jadew`> maybe in India you can find a hooker for < $1
2016-02-02T17:05:07 < englishman> sure if you dont mind four legs
2016-02-02T17:05:44 < jadew`> I think the show stopper for me would be the bathroom
2016-02-02T17:05:52 < jadew`> I don't feel comfortable shitting in the ocean
2016-02-02T17:06:23 < jadew`> or washing any part of my body there
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2016-02-02T17:08:11 < jadew`> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixJgY2VSct0
2016-02-02T17:10:31 < dongs> jadew`: i got a proj for 800$ thats just assembling 5 pcbs, i think its a pretty decent deal
2016-02-02T17:10:43 < jadew`> dongs, nice
2016-02-02T17:11:10 < jadew`> might be different with electronics but I remember when I was freelancing as a dev, it was insane
2016-02-02T17:11:48 < dongs> i bid $100/hr for something that only had like $5/hr bids on it and ssaid I'll deliver shit in 8 billable hours (i'd probably be done in like an hour wiht it).
2016-02-02T17:11:54 < dongs> let's see what happens :)
2016-02-02T17:12:22 < dongs> but yeah im not gonna do anything < $500 on that site
2016-02-02T17:12:32 < jadew`> that's a good deal
2016-02-02T17:12:34 < dongs> this is just for the lulz mostly, im busy already as is
2016-02-02T17:12:49 < dongs> just to piss off bottom-feeding pakis
2016-02-02T17:21:35 < kc2uez> where are you from dongs?
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2016-02-02T17:22:36 < dongs> kc2uez: israel
2016-02-02T17:22:53 < dongs> why doyou ask
2016-02-02T17:23:43 < kc2uez> oh I see. just wondering. We sometimes need help here at work with projects
2016-02-02T17:24:05 < dongs> ah, im not for hire, i'm mostly trolling.
2016-02-02T17:24:11 < dongs> and im in japan.
2016-02-02T17:24:32 < mitrax_> dongs: how long have you been in japan?
2016-02-02T17:24:38 < dongs> too long
2016-02-02T17:24:41 < mitrax_> :)
2016-02-02T17:25:04 < kc2uez> I see, I always wanted to visit japan
2016-02-02T17:25:17 < kc2uez> i will at some point, I am sure
2016-02-02T17:25:23 < dongs> spoiler: its really awful
2016-02-02T17:26:03 < kc2uez> you mean not like the movies? :)
2016-02-02T17:26:29 < jadew`> he would like to leave, but he has ties there
2016-02-02T17:26:35 < jadew`> he's in a relationship with http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cmjYqJLd_HM/VDB1cPatZtI/AAAAAAAAAGw/_PyI_Fu0K8I/s1600/tumblr_mwhdlx5qat1t0qrqmo3_1280.jpg
2016-02-02T17:26:55 < dongs> dont post that garbage
2016-02-02T17:27:17 < jadew`> what's the good stuff? :D
2016-02-02T17:27:20 < mitrax_> dongs: but isn't h..soft your company?
2016-02-02T17:27:34 < dongs> mitrax_: sure
2016-02-02T17:27:41 < dongs> whats wrong with thaT?
2016-02-02T17:27:45 < jpa-> hugeandsoft?
2016-02-02T17:27:59 < dongs> trollcorp so I can get top secret jap technology NDAs
2016-02-02T17:28:26 < mitrax_> dongs: nothing wrong, i was under the impression you were japanese (or well of jap descent)  considering the company name etc
2016-02-02T17:28:34 < jadew`> "handsoft - moisturizers for your hand"
2016-02-02T17:28:49 < kakimir> in finland they banned hash with a coin toss in 70s
2016-02-02T17:28:56 < dongs> i shoudla called it something dongs related
2016-02-02T17:29:05 < dongs> too late now tho
2016-02-02T17:30:18 < mitrax_> :)
2016-02-02T17:30:32 < jadew`> so are you japanese or not?
2016-02-02T17:30:52 < mitrax_> jadew: i doubt we will get any relevant info regarding dongs true identity :)
2016-02-02T17:31:17 < dongs> no, im jewish
2016-02-02T17:31:35 < mitrax_> unless we give a bribe to zyp, or torture him
2016-02-02T17:31:41 < kakimir> japanese jew dongs
2016-02-02T17:32:48 < englishman> from the photos, dongs fingers are too hairy to be a jap
2016-02-02T17:32:54 < englishman> im guessing fat american expat
2016-02-02T17:33:10 < englishman> probably huge neckbeard
2016-02-02T17:33:15 < jpa-> the dong pics also confirm jewish
2016-02-02T17:33:23 < mitrax_> jpa-: dong pics?
2016-02-02T17:33:38 < kakimir> are japs not hairy at all?
2016-02-02T17:33:39 < jpa-> knew that someone would want to see them, but no, i'm not sharing!
2016-02-02T17:33:55 < mitrax_> :(
2016-02-02T17:34:12 < englishman> jpa-: can you confirm this is dongs car http://i.imgur.com/8vO3nlR.jpg
2016-02-02T17:34:36 < dongs> thats not even a jap license plate
2016-02-02T17:35:07 < englishman> neckbeards purchase eu plates to put on the front to look more like eu
2016-02-02T17:35:19 < jpa-> englishman: no that's R2COM
2016-02-02T17:35:38 < kakimir> in murica you dont need front plate?
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2016-02-02T17:36:14 < englishman> depednds on your state
2016-02-02T17:36:24 < kc2uez> I always wanted to visit Akihabara, have you been there dongs?
2016-02-02T17:36:49 < englishman> i hear its a great place to get atmega8 in DIP
2016-02-02T17:37:29 < dongs> kc2uez: if you want shit from 2 decades ago, its great
2016-02-02T17:37:37 < dongs> last time i went there I couldtn even find a reel of 0603 10k caps
2016-02-02T17:38:02 < kc2uez> I am in to ham radio, I saw some pics from a few hamradio stores, it was impressive
2016-02-02T17:38:21 < dongs> you can buy all that shit online anyway.
2016-02-02T17:38:24 < dongs> radios/wahtever
2016-02-02T17:38:26 < kc2uez> so maybe a decade ago will be ok
2016-02-02T17:38:54 < kc2uez> I thought they had the latest/greatest
2016-02-02T17:39:21 < jpa-> dongs: 10k caps? :)
2016-02-02T17:39:30 < dongs> er, resistorts, wahtever
2016-02-02T17:39:30 < englishman> latest greatest ham radio stuff? thats more than 2 decades
2016-02-02T17:39:35 < jpa-> ;)
2016-02-02T17:41:35 < kc2uez> changing the topic a little, have you guys seen the NL6621? it is an ARM based SoC with wifi build in: http://www.nufront.com/index.php/portal/page/index/id/366.html and http://www.nufront.com/index.php/project/index/id/30.html
2016-02-02T17:42:00 < kc2uez> seems good, but have not heard much about it
2016-02-02T17:45:45 < dongs> fucking
2016-02-02T17:45:53 < dongs> 7zip command line doesnt unpack .dmg
2016-02-02T17:45:57 < dongs> but apparently the GUI does
2016-02-02T17:46:02 < dongs> here it goes in vm
2016-02-02T17:48:07 < kc2uez> oh, you can buy breakout boards for around 4.50 from ebay
2016-02-02T17:48:45 < kc2uez> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=nl6621
2016-02-02T17:49:09 < dongs> that has arm, so infinitely more interesting than ESP14/88 thing
2016-02-02T17:49:31 < dongs> haha uc/osii
2016-02-02T17:49:40 < dongs> i wonder if its the ancient pirated version from like 2001
2016-02-02T17:49:44 < dongs> that is included in all china evalboards
2016-02-02T17:50:00 < karlp> will be interesting with docs, sure, pretty wortheless until then
2016-02-02T17:50:59 < kc2uez> looking for the datasheet
2016-02-02T17:51:45 < dongs> BREAKING: A ‘powerful’ explosion has been reported at a school building in the Swedish town of Karlstad, local media say; Fire broke out at the site, emergency services are at the scene
2016-02-02T17:52:18 < dongs> RIP kakimir
2016-02-02T17:52:56 < mitrax_> isn't he in finland?
2016-02-02T17:53:00 < dongs> no idea
2016-02-02T17:54:43 < jpa-> does kakimir sound like a person you'd find at a school?
2016-02-02T17:55:10 < mitrax_> ahahahah
2016-02-02T17:55:14 < mitrax_> meanie! :)
2016-02-02T17:55:18 < dongs> rekt
2016-02-02T17:55:26 < jpa-> i've maybe been a bit too mean lately
2016-02-02T17:55:42 < jpa-> but, not like this is ##hugsandsnuggles
2016-02-02T17:55:56 < mitrax_> it's not? :(
2016-02-02T17:56:08  * jpa- huggles mitrax_ 
2016-02-02T17:56:10 < dongs> too much time spent with arguing wiht wolmanjm
2016-02-02T17:56:36 < jpa-> dongs: actually it's been almost a year since i've talked to him
2016-02-02T17:56:40 < dongs> ah ok
2016-02-02T17:56:45 < jpa-> nowadays i just trashtalk him elsewhere
2016-02-02T17:57:01 < dongs> each time i talk in their channel im at the edge of being bant
2016-02-02T17:57:15 < jpa-> i'm surprised you haven't been banned agest ago
2016-02-02T17:57:18 < chickensk> hi, anybody knows a good book about digital controllers?
2016-02-02T17:59:26 < dongs> sounds pretty vague
2016-02-02T18:00:31 < Taxman> what is a digital controller?
2016-02-02T18:01:43 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7j802RKtDc
2016-02-02T18:04:59 < kc2uez> ugh, I found the github for the NL6621, it has sdk and datasheet (i think) but it is all in Chinese. Any of you guys read chinese? https://github.com/NufrontIOT
2016-02-02T18:08:19 < dongs> i know chinese for "download"
2016-02-02T18:09:35 < kc2uez> you get to upload using jlink
2016-02-02T18:10:34 < kc2uez> and uses keil to program, not bad i guess
2016-02-02T18:10:44 < dongs> already a step up from ESP trash
2016-02-02T18:10:51 < dongs> which needs some custom gcc
2016-02-02T18:12:06 < chickensk> Taxman, human interface device to control parameters of any processing chain, mainly audio for my interest
2016-02-02T18:12:06 < kc2uez> datasheet has nufront confidential watermark, but it is on their github :-S
2016-02-02T18:15:28 < kc2uez> someone translated the user manual to english: http://www.nl6621.net/nl6621-documentation-f1/nl6621-sdk-user-manual-english-96-pages--t26.html the real MVP I guess, sweet forum doesn't ask for login to download
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2016-02-02T18:29:00 < karlp> kc2uez: you know you can just stick a pdf into google translate and it makes you a new one right?
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2016-02-02T18:46:59 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/C%2B%3D
2016-02-02T18:48:57 < owl-v-> C+=
2016-02-02T18:50:24 < owl-v-> maybe(c++) {yell();}
2016-02-02T18:51:48 < dongs> surprised you got that far into the article
2016-02-02T18:52:36 < Laurenceb_> https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/8629/harassing-repository#comment-7320884
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2016-02-02T19:02:20 < mitrax_> are you serious? some idiots actually bought it?
2016-02-02T19:02:44 < mitrax_> i mean fell for it
2016-02-02T19:05:20 < Getty> wow...... those easy to offend idiots are getting a pest
2016-02-02T19:06:46 < kakimir> that cree xm-l2 or such led package can take easily 300degrees celsius?
2016-02-02T19:06:53 < kakimir> trying to replace some failed leds
2016-02-02T19:10:50 < Ecco> Last time I tried to solder Cree leds I burnt half of them
2016-02-02T19:11:01 < kakimir> how exactly
2016-02-02T19:11:10 < Ecco> well… I don't even dare tell you how
2016-02-02T19:11:16 < kakimir> I just tried to remove ones with 300degree
2016-02-02T19:11:18 < Ecco> I reflowed them in a frying pan…
2016-02-02T19:11:38 < kakimir> and then fried some steak after that?
2016-02-02T19:11:44 < Ecco> well… yeah :-D
2016-02-02T19:11:59 < Ecco> Thing is, you have to solder them on an aluminium heatsink
2016-02-02T19:12:14 < Ecco> if you solder them on a PCB I'm pretty sure they'd burn pretty quickly
2016-02-02T19:12:38 < Ecco> (I don't remember what reference exactly I got, but I picked some from a good bin - I'm using them for my reef fish tank)
2016-02-02T19:12:47 < kakimir> you can use them on pcb
2016-02-02T19:12:47 < Ecco> Boy those are *powerful*
2016-02-02T19:13:00 < kakimir> not constant full power
2016-02-02T19:13:02 < Ecco> Really? I mean, I soldered them straight on a HUGE-ass aluminium heatsink
2016-02-02T19:13:08 < Ecco> and the damn thing is already really hot
2016-02-02T19:13:15 < kakimir> but pulsed power
2016-02-02T19:13:16 < Ecco> oh ok
2016-02-02T19:13:23 < Ecco> Yeah I'm driving them full power 12hrs a day
2016-02-02T19:13:29 < kakimir> there is aplications that need pulsed power
2016-02-02T19:13:32 < Ecco> ok
2016-02-02T19:13:55 < Ecco> IIRC I used Cree XP-E2
2016-02-02T19:13:58 < kakimir> though those devices are such valuable that they propably heatsink better than commercial lighting products
2016-02-02T19:14:31 < Ecco> I've been SERIOUSLY impressed by those, by the way
2016-02-02T19:14:40 < Ecco> i had no clue they would be so tiny before receiving them
2016-02-02T19:14:44 < Ecco> and they are *SO* powerful
2016-02-02T19:15:08 < kakimir> sure thing
2016-02-02T19:16:42 < Ecco> what are you using those for?
2016-02-02T19:18:30 < kakimir> motorcycle headligth, 2 different torch lamps
2016-02-02T19:18:52 < kakimir> propably next I do some xm-l2 module that goes to 52Volts
2016-02-02T19:20:22 < kakimir> to max my led driver
2016-02-02T19:21:14 < Ecco> nice
2016-02-02T19:21:23 < Ecco> man you're gonna blind some people with those :D
2016-02-02T19:25:04 < kakimir> around 150Watts
2016-02-02T19:25:10 < Ecco> OMFG
2016-02-02T19:28:18 < kakimir> I think I need to fry those to aluminum sink
2016-02-02T19:28:39 < kakimir> I wonder.. I think there was some xm-l2 emitters somewhere for few euros piece
2016-02-02T19:35:46 < kakimir> 15 of the best xm-l2 type and board
2016-02-02T19:35:56 < kakimir> it would make it over 100euro module
2016-02-02T19:36:25 < kakimir> I need to check if I could make it even more bomb with mt-g2
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2016-02-02T19:41:35 < kakimir> okay it would make it 150euro led module with just 10leds
2016-02-02T19:41:48 < kakimir> but there should be more lumens
2016-02-02T19:47:30 < kakimir> it's fukken hard to read these as manufactures basically tells their all leds are high performance high lumen output shiet
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2016-02-02T19:52:48 < kakimir> mt-g2 doesn't have low number availability
2016-02-02T19:53:20 < kakimir> nether really does xm-l2
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2016-02-02T20:18:53 < Laurenceb_> cancuck ^
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2016-02-02T20:25:15 < kakimir> cuckboy laurance
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2016-02-02T20:28:03 < Laurenceb_>  /pol/ is on suicide watch
2016-02-02T20:28:26 < Sync> o0
2016-02-02T20:29:18 < kakimir> stream?
2016-02-02T20:29:23 < kakimir> dont link
2016-02-02T20:30:27 < Laurenceb_> God Emperor defeated
2016-02-02T20:30:38 < Laurenceb_> Trump Stump
2016-02-02T20:31:52 < kakimir> you dont make any sense
2016-02-02T20:32:10 < Steffanx> lol, kakimir..
2016-02-02T20:32:16 < Laurenceb_> http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/can-t-stump-the-trump
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2016-02-02T20:40:04 < kakimir> what fuse to butt in my led driver
2016-02-02T20:40:11 < kakimir> 20AMP fuse it will be
2016-02-02T20:40:18 < Steffanx> Where would we be without marketing talk: "Military Class 4: Top Quality & Stability".. such nice motherboard feature.
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2016-02-02T20:46:14 < mitrax_> that reminds me of Gigabyte's "C.I.A"
2016-02-02T20:46:30 < mitrax_> "CPU Intelligent Accelerator" ...
2016-02-02T20:47:21 < mitrax_> taiwanese are the worst at marketing
2016-02-02T20:48:25 < mitrax_> there was another retarded acronym in the same vein but i can't remember it
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2016-02-02T21:33:31 < Laurenceb_> http://aliensandchildren.org/
2016-02-02T21:44:25 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_ and the Quest for Autism
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2016-02-02T21:58:19 < kakimir> laurenceB and quest for the last page of internets
2016-02-02T22:05:56 < kakimir> http://www.1112.net/lastpage.html there it is
2016-02-02T22:06:41 < Steffanx> i want proof kakimir
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2016-02-02T22:57:58 < upgrdman_> are one-shots usually digital or analog?
2016-02-02T22:58:19 < zyp> one-shot what?
2016-02-02T22:58:27 < upgrdman_> monostable multivibrator
2016-02-02T22:58:55 < zyp> probably some analog RC setup, I guess
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2016-02-02T23:28:28 < joeltxbx> anyone using the photon?
2016-02-02T23:29:11 < zyp> photon what?
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2016-02-02T23:30:10 < joeltxbx> particle photon. it has a stm32f205 coupled with a broadcom BCM43362
2016-02-02T23:30:37 < zyp> ah, right, I saw that thing the other day
2016-02-02T23:30:43 < zyp> my friend told me he bought a coule
2016-02-02T23:30:45 < zyp> couple
2016-02-02T23:30:59 < joeltxbx> they are connected via SDIO and they break out the JTAG headers
2016-02-02T23:31:16 < zyp> yeah
2016-02-02T23:31:25 < Laurenceb_>  /pol/ spotted http://loganfrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/cuckfancer1.jpg
2016-02-02T23:31:29 < zyp> looks like a cute toy
2016-02-02T23:32:32 < zyp> might pick one up later, to toy around some with wifi
2016-02-02T23:34:01 < Laurenceb_> thats kind of cute
2016-02-02T23:35:08 < joeltxbx> haha alright now you don't have to belittle it
2016-02-02T23:35:26 < zyp> I belittle what I want :)
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2016-02-02T23:36:25 < zyp> don't have anything useful to say about it, my friend just ordered his, so I don't even have secondhand experiences yet
2016-02-02T23:38:20 < joeltxbx> its probably the cheapest development board for a BCM43362 without having to pay the cute broadcom prices
2016-02-02T23:39:03 < Laurenceb_> yeah but expressif
2016-02-02T23:39:05 < Laurenceb_>   /troll
2016-02-02T23:39:52 < zyp> what level is the interface to that bcm chip btw? does it contain a TCP/IP stack or do you need your own?
2016-02-02T23:40:17 < zyp> I guess since it's SDIO, it's designed for larger stuff like smartphones that would have its own TCP/IP stack
2016-02-02T23:41:45 < joeltxbx> the TCP/IP stack is on the stm32
2016-02-02T23:42:04 < zyp> right
2016-02-02T23:42:27 < zyp> makes sense then
2016-02-02T23:42:28 < Laurenceb_> https://www.particle.io/prototype
2016-02-02T23:42:48 < Laurenceb_> Spark.publish
2016-02-02T23:42:53 < Laurenceb_> what could possibly go wrong
2016-02-02T23:43:12 < joeltxbx> broadcom provides an SDK with source
2016-02-02T23:43:13 < Laurenceb_> whole thing hangs for about 10 seconds due to horrible busy loop arduino style
2016-02-02T23:43:21 < Laurenceb_> ah hopefully its pro then
2016-02-02T23:44:12 < joeltxbx> yeah definitely dont use the garbage from particle
2016-02-02T23:46:39 < joeltxbx> its still good hardware so you don't have to roll out your own board not to mention you can't even buy the broadcom chip in low batches
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2016-02-03T01:26:57 < kakimir> how many hours you sleep in a night?
2016-02-03T01:33:31 < karlp> I would have thought the only reason to use the particle/spark stuff was to use their software, with their cloud services, not to just buy BCM parts cheap,
2016-02-03T01:33:50 < karlp> isn't the broadcom wicked stuff available cheaply these days anyway?
2016-02-03T01:34:00 < karlp> and isn't all the new particle stuff based on the marvell SoC?
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2016-02-03T01:36:13 < kakimir> selling ass to makers
2016-02-03T01:38:36 < kakimir> I wonder if there is money
2016-02-03T01:38:59 < kakimir> or positive expectation
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2016-02-03T02:30:37 < kakimir> I wonder if there is kind of crimp
2016-02-03T02:30:53 < kakimir> if I want to solder coax into sma footprint
2016-02-03T02:31:03 < kakimir> without.. sma itself
2016-02-03T02:31:18 < kakimir> and it to be like proper nifty thing
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2016-02-03T02:34:43 < kakimir> http://www.silverstatewire.com/files/sts-pcb-424.jpg
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2016-02-03T02:52:41 < kakimir> it's called coaxial pcb termination
2016-02-03T02:53:24 < kakimir> http://lghttp.44230.nexcesscdn.net/801979A/media/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/4/142256.jpg okay I got results
2016-02-03T02:53:36 < kakimir> it's looking like it
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2016-02-03T03:03:35 < Laurenceb_> http://philpapers.org/rec/HUGFAO
2016-02-03T03:03:49 < Laurenceb_> social justice, runs in the family :-/
2016-02-03T03:06:45 < Laurenceb_> has kakimir found a job yet?
2016-02-03T03:07:12 < kakimir> hello laurence
2016-02-03T03:07:13 < kakimir> no
2016-02-03T03:07:21 < kakimir> I'm busy working on led driver
2016-02-03T03:07:50 < jadew`> hey, any ideas on what's the steps to cross-compile for a specific version of linux running on an ARM9?
2016-02-03T03:07:57 < jadew`> *what are the
2016-02-03T03:09:58 < jadew`> I suppose I'll need the header files and the right glibc
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2016-02-03T03:17:25 < kakimir> what linuz
2016-02-03T03:17:36 < kakimir> then write to google
2016-02-03T03:17:53 < kakimir> (your linuz) crosscompile tutorial
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2016-02-03T03:35:25 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Music-Hall-Elfidelity-Power-purification-PC-HiFi-CPU-Memory-DDR3-2V-Power-Supply-Filter-Free-shipping/32398842378.html
2016-02-03T03:36:03 < kakimir> dongs is up
2016-02-03T03:36:14 < kakimir> I can relax for the day
2016-02-03T03:38:39 < rcc> lol dongs
2016-02-03T03:39:25 < rcc> this opens up a whole new market
2016-02-03T03:39:53 < dongs> yea
2016-02-03T03:40:11 < dongs> almost makes me wanna pull some ddr reference designs off jedec, add some tantalum caps, and sell for $100/stick
2016-02-03T03:40:22 < rcc> cryogenically treated sata cables for better data rate
2016-02-03T03:40:41 < rcc> they have to have a neat color tho
2016-02-03T03:40:50 < rcc> black
2016-02-03T03:41:13 < rcc> you can do the same for ePCI
2016-02-03T03:41:32 < rcc> and say it's closer to the CPU, so it does more good than the RAM stuff
2016-02-03T03:41:36 < rcc> so twice the price
2016-02-03T03:41:47 < kakimir> fun thing
2016-02-03T03:41:57 < kakimir> I was once in recording studio
2016-02-03T03:42:07 < dongs> rcc, pci/e filtering cards already exist
2016-02-03T03:42:19 < kakimir> with my long burned thinkbad
2016-02-03T03:42:28 < rcc> dongs, bummer
2016-02-03T03:43:50 < rcc> kakimir, we're waiting for the rest of the story
2016-02-03T03:43:55 < rcc> or is that it?
2016-02-03T03:43:57 < kakimir> then they stopped playing and mixer said there was some shit in guitar track and started turning those knobs and then
2016-02-03T03:44:31 < kakimir> asked if I could move my laptop towards the guitar
2016-02-03T03:44:52 < rcc> was it plugged in?
2016-02-03T03:44:58 < kakimir> it picked it up clearly
2016-02-03T03:45:06 < kakimir> no I dont think it was
2016-02-03T03:45:21 < rcc> cuz they use long ass cables and they pick up a lot of crap
2016-02-03T03:45:32 < rcc> including radio stations
2016-02-03T03:45:35 < kakimir> and that was the joke
2016-02-03T03:46:38 < rcc> my guitar teacher told me he was playing next to a radio tower once and he could pick up radio and listen to it through the amp
2016-02-03T03:47:16 < kakimir> must be AM radio?
2016-02-03T03:47:22 < rcc> that's what I thought
2016-02-03T03:47:55 < rcc> but either shitty amp (poorly filtered) or the signal got demodulated in the guitar and then went back into the the amp as audio
2016-02-03T03:48:10 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Scm-tKTHls russia
2016-02-03T03:48:24 < artag> oxygen-free gold-plated edge connectors
2016-02-03T03:48:26 < rcc> yeah, I know that one
2016-02-03T03:49:37 < kakimir> I wonder if those stations have like.. some signs that you should not touch those
2016-02-03T03:49:51 < rcc> in russia?
2016-02-03T03:50:41 < kakimir> yes
2016-02-03T03:50:47 < rcc> don't think so, but once you start picking up radio you surely think about removing your hand
2016-02-03T03:51:03 < kakimir> it seems they have like some sort of garden fence around
2016-02-03T03:51:28 < rcc> radio isn't ran by idiots
2016-02-03T03:51:35 < rcc> so they surely know the math
2016-02-03T03:51:40 < rcc> the safe distance and all that
2016-02-03T03:52:30 < rcc> anyway, I'm off to try to compile my stuff
2016-02-03T03:52:54 < rcc> I bet I'll have to recompile glibc
2016-02-03T04:03:04 < kakimir> in soviet russia though
2016-02-03T04:03:28 < kakimir> radios were mass deployed obiviously
2016-02-03T04:03:47 < kakimir> and high powe
2016-02-03T04:11:20 < Laurenceb_> oxygen free???
2016-02-03T04:11:25 < Laurenceb_> omg audiophile
2016-02-03T04:12:58 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6QGLGJ-BOE
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2016-02-03T04:54:13 < englishman> hm?
2016-02-03T04:54:18 < englishman> soldering iron?
2016-02-03T04:55:06 < englishman> since youre such a cheapass canadian
2016-02-03T04:55:08 < englishman> just get this http://www.banggood.com/TS100-Digital-OLED-Programable-Interface-DC-5525-Soldering-Iron-Station-Built-in-STM32-Chip-p-984214.html
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2016-02-03T05:01:18 < dongs> wow
2016-02-03T05:01:20 < dongs> much features
2016-02-03T05:01:35 < dongs> Have you ever seen this fantastic soldering iron before~
2016-02-03T05:01:36 < dongs> We meet it first time and can't wait to introduce to you immediately.
2016-02-03T05:01:38 < dongs> ahaha
2016-02-03T05:07:14 < englishman> mine arrived but the barrel jack is some funky size
2016-02-03T05:07:23 < englishman> so im waiting for a funky sized barrel jack from china for a month
2016-02-03T05:07:24 < englishman> yay
2016-02-03T05:10:41 < dongs> is it battery powered or actually proper
2016-02-03T05:11:56 < englishman> its powered off of whatever dc you give it
2016-02-03T05:12:41 < dongs> just install gentoo
2016-02-03T05:12:53 < englishman> im sick of the fact you havent bought shit yet and are still talking about china trash
2016-02-03T05:15:58 < englishman> integrated heater tips
2016-02-03T05:16:06 < englishman> cloned hakko design
2016-02-03T05:17:07 < englishman> and banggood wants $55
2016-02-03T05:17:26 < englishman> doesnt matter, cheap ass canadians wont buy it
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2016-02-03T06:44:09 < owl-v-> dongs: status report... > doing computer vision
2016-02-03T06:44:59 < owl-v-> collecting more sample images
2016-02-03T06:48:23 < owl-v-> [question] how do you resolve symbols on eclipse when using atmel's asf library? code compiles on a terminal just fine.
2016-02-03T06:48:41 < dongs> maybe -ggdb or something
2016-02-03T06:48:45 < dongs> to wahtever trahs youre using to compile wiht
2016-02-03T06:53:53 < owl-v-> http://ibin.co/2VekvmSEaG0O
2016-02-03T06:54:28 < owl-v-> i'm compiling for samd20_xplained_pro
2016-02-03T06:54:49 < owl-v-> but it compiles just fine
2016-02-03T06:55:04 < owl-v-> :P
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2016-02-03T06:57:47 < dongs> macos ~_~
2016-02-03T06:57:51 < dongs> sorry, YOURE ON YOUR OWN
2016-02-03T07:00:17 < ds2> you don't use eclipse
2016-02-03T07:07:59 < owl-v-> funny.. i include headers in conf_board.h then it worked >> http://ibin.co/2Vep7rGeLum3
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2016-02-03T07:33:12 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/High-Altitude-High-Range-Remote/ attn Laurenceb_
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2016-02-03T07:34:42 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Her-majesty/ attn englishman
2016-02-03T07:35:09 < englishman> wat
2016-02-03T07:35:35 < dongs> canada, wants to come to thier house
2016-02-03T07:35:37 < dongs> close neough right
2016-02-03T07:35:56 < englishman> for sure
2016-02-03T07:35:59 < englishman> lemme get in my car
2016-02-03T07:36:02 < englishman> drive 6 days
2016-02-03T07:36:03 < englishman> be right there
2016-02-03T07:36:19 < dongs> bill for time + gas
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2016-02-03T07:40:18 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Raspberry-CMOS-security-camera-module/
2016-02-03T07:40:21 < dongs> what
2016-02-03T07:40:34 < dongs> dont you just plug in the rageberrypi camera into the thing
2016-02-03T07:40:35 < dongs> and its done
2016-02-03T07:40:48 < dongs> you can get the shit without IR filter and with led backlight
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2016-02-03T08:14:25 < upgrdman> ras pi camera module is kinda shit quality
2016-02-03T08:14:36 < upgrdman> like, worse than netbook webcam
2016-02-03T08:14:59 < dongs> but its like $30 dude
2016-02-03T08:15:01 < dongs> wtf?
2016-02-03T08:15:01 < upgrdman> it's only benefit is it's trivial to grab jpegs or movies from it
2016-02-03T08:15:13 < upgrdman> which is why i have one.
2016-02-03T08:15:14 < dongs> i tihnk tis same sensor as in zano
2016-02-03T08:15:26 < dongs> and i heard that was pretty amaze
2016-02-03T08:17:03 < englishman> you mean like any mjpg webcam
2016-02-03T08:17:05 < englishman> on lunix
2016-02-03T08:17:06 < englishman> ?
2016-02-03T08:17:31 < englishman> the easyness
2016-02-03T08:17:37 < upgrdman> prolly, lol.
2016-02-03T08:17:53 < englishman> i have a rpi2 over there <--- doing that right now on a $20 1080p ebay webcam
2016-02-03T08:18:20 < upgrdman> whats a one line command to get a jpeg?
2016-02-03T08:18:22 < dongs> but is it over CSI
2016-02-03T08:18:28 < dongs> upgrdman: raspivid or something
2016-02-03T08:18:31 < dongs> or raspijpeg?
2016-02-03T08:18:32 < dongs> someshit liek that
2016-02-03T08:18:35 < upgrdman> ya
2016-02-03T08:18:38 < englishman> mjpg-streamer blah blah command lines
2016-02-03T08:18:43 < upgrdman> but for usb webcam
2016-02-03T08:18:47 < englishman> mjpg-streamer blah blah command lines
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2016-02-03T08:22:28 < dongs> half the shit videocore can do is still not supported
2016-02-03T08:22:39 < dongs> that new rageberry dsi display needs a firmware binary blob loaded
2016-02-03T08:22:46 < dongs> so much for OPEN SORES
2016-02-03T08:22:50 < upgrdman> videocore == the gpu?
2016-02-03T08:22:52 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-03T08:23:07 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Create-remote-triggering-for-action/
2016-02-03T08:23:16 < englishman> rms is spinning in his grave
2016-02-03T08:25:04 < upgrdman> http://dangerousprototypes.com/wp-content/media/2016/01/an_nxp_an11076.png    convection is heat carried away by air "brushing against" shit?
2016-02-03T08:25:37 < dongs> stopped reading after dangerousprototypes
2016-02-03T08:25:45 < dongs> that shit's right up theer with eevblag on quality of material
2016-02-03T08:25:58 < upgrdman> its just a screenshot from a datashit
2016-02-03T08:26:07 < dongs> only  topped by aidsfruit MAKE: tutorials
2016-02-03T08:26:34 < dongs> upgrdman: i saw pic, whats the problme wiht it
2016-02-03T08:26:44 < upgrdman> no problem, i just wanna understand
2016-02-03T08:26:52 < upgrdman> difference between convection and conduction
2016-02-03T08:27:16 < upgrdman> convection is just "conduction" to a gas (air) ?
2016-02-03T08:27:25 < dongs> that would be my best guess
2016-02-03T08:27:53 < englishman> convection heats your turkey pot pie in the oven, conduction is when you mash your turkey pot pie against the element
2016-02-03T08:28:20 < upgrdman> mashy mashy
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2016-02-03T09:23:49 < bilboquet_> tps63001 don't like me :(
2016-02-03T09:26:18 < bilboquet_> difficult to place it with my f-silk, but i think i've a problem witj it.
2016-02-03T09:27:12 < dongs> eh
2016-02-03T09:28:33 < qyx> those packages are quite easy to solder by hand
2016-02-03T09:28:46 < qyx> I tend to like qfn more than qfp
2016-02-03T09:31:28 < bilboquet_> easy by hand ! not yet for me. ( but my pcb is quite dense )
2016-02-03T09:32:04 < bilboquet_> rather very small
2016-02-03T09:32:08 < qyx> just apply a generous amount of soldering gel
2016-02-03T09:33:04 < qyx> http://static1.tme.eu/products_pics/b/2/0/b20bd2a22c7f0aef29ab5a4cb1934f71/11142.jpg
2016-02-03T09:33:07 < qyx> like this
2016-02-03T09:33:32 < bilboquet_> mpu 9250 is difficult too
2016-02-03T09:36:13 < dongs> i use stencil and paste
2016-02-03T09:36:15 < dongs> it works.
2016-02-03T09:36:31 < bilboquet_> :)
2016-02-03T09:44:09 < bilboquet_> in any case, we lent me a Reflow Oven and it's great. just I am just a bit ambitious with my first
2016-02-03T09:50:12 < bilboquet_> just a question, is it possible problem is mcp7383X / tps63001  combination to be not-quite-functional ?
2016-02-03T09:51:21 < bilboquet_> like i see some days ago in this chan.
2016-02-03T09:53:36 < qyx> how do you use that combination?
2016-02-03T09:54:07 < qyx> mcp for charging and tps for buck/boost discharging into 3.3V?
2016-02-03T09:56:21 < bilboquet_> yes
2016-02-03T09:57:57 < qyx> there should be no problem
2016-02-03T09:59:08 < qyx> the tps is not switching?
2016-02-03T10:01:16 < bilboquet_> sorry i'm solderring
2016-02-03T10:01:51 < bilboquet_> vin is ok, but vout is 3.3mV
2016-02-03T10:08:20 < bilboquet_> I'll do a little sleep, i'll show you my schema. mcp73832 part seem ok.
2016-02-03T10:08:33 < bilboquet_> thanks
2016-02-03T10:10:15 < qyx> just paste imgur link here
2016-02-03T10:10:27 < qyx> schematic/layout/soldered photo
2016-02-03T10:13:53 < bilboquet_> soldered begin to burn.
2016-02-03T10:18:38 < bilboquet_> thanks qyx, i'll try a coffe before.
2016-02-03T10:32:53 < PeterM> [15:13] <flyback> new aoyue 2930 is on way, with some rohs solder, some jewbinstein flux and a new heater core for my 968 that upgrades it to a 968A hot air heater core
2016-02-03T10:32:57 < PeterM> enjoy your fucking aids
2016-02-03T10:33:01 < dongs> lol
2016-02-03T10:40:00 < bilboquet_> it's coming, added some value
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2016-02-03T10:42:08 < stukdev> hi, i'm usign timer1 to generate a number of specific pulse in output, for this i use repetition counter, but every times the pulse is infinite, and i don't understand why. any idea?
2016-02-03T10:43:17 < bilboquet_> http://imgur.com/a/ElLIJ
2016-02-03T10:44:04 < jpa-> stukdev: you need to queue ARR = 0 write in the preload buffer or something similar
2016-02-03T10:44:45 < jpa-> AFAIK the repetition counter just inhibits the update event for a number of cycles; it does not do anything except lets the update event through at the end
2016-02-03T10:45:28 < stukdev> jpa-: so i miserunderstood. i think this was a method to pulse out a specific number of pulse
2016-02-03T10:45:58 < jpa-> it does that, sure, but you need to make the update event stop the timer if you want that
2016-02-03T10:46:07 < jpa-> either in interrupt, or using the preload mechanism
2016-02-03T10:47:33 < jpa-> i guess one-pulse-mode could work also
2016-02-03T10:47:42 < stukdev> jpa-: i don't understand. For example i want pulse out 100 pulse. Whats i have to do? set repetition counter to 100 and after?
2016-02-03T10:48:11 < bilboquet_> soldered photo not possible sorry, i've to resoldered !
2016-02-03T10:48:28 < qyx> bilboquet_: how much current are you drawing from the output?
2016-02-03T10:48:45 < jpa-> stukdev: set RCR to 100 and set the OPM bit in CR1
2016-02-03T10:49:27 < bilboquet_> 0 i use my multimeter
2016-02-03T10:49:36 < bilboquet_> it is that
2016-02-03T10:49:45 < stukdev> jpa-: mmm in one pulse mode...i never used that mode
2016-02-03T10:57:40 < bilboquet_> if i can keep the oven reflow today, I'll try again tonight.
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2016-02-03T11:51:34 < emeryth> has anyone used GCC fixed-point types? are they ok?
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2016-02-03T12:09:30 < stukdev> jpa-: now works, thanks you !
2016-02-03T12:10:44 < jpa-> :)
2016-02-03T12:33:10 < mitrax_> warning: lame joke ahead
2016-02-03T12:33:49 < mitrax_> emeryth: i did .... *drum roll* they didn't float my boat
2016-02-03T12:37:09 < emeryth> I knew it was pointless to ask...
2016-02-03T12:37:30 < karlp> emeryth: not pointless, I was hoping for answer too :)
2016-02-03T12:37:40 < karlp> and if you do go try them out, I'm curious what you find :)
2016-02-03T12:37:56 < jpa-> emeryth: i looked into them, but didn't seem to be supported on any relevant platform?
2016-02-03T12:38:20 < jpa-> maybe i understood it wrong back then
2016-02-03T12:39:05 < emeryth> jpa-: apparently they have been in gcc-arm-embedded for some time now
2016-02-03T12:40:48 < emeryth> I've been using libfixmath, now I'm wondering if gcc fixed is any better
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2016-02-03T12:42:17 < jpa-> http://paste.dy.fi/gdp/plain   atleast doesn't seem to inline
2016-02-03T12:43:34 < jpa-> hmm well multiplication got inlined but what's up with all the fractqqsq2 etc.
2016-02-03T12:50:51 < karlp> what should it have done?
2016-02-03T12:53:52 < jpa-> i would've assumed something like: 1. load a 32 bit word from ram; 2. multiply it with itself 3. return top word
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2016-02-03T13:00:05 < karlp> well, while reading gcc docs, TIL: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Offsetof.html#Offsetof
2016-02-03T13:02:49 < karlp> whee #pragma scalar_storage_order looks like fun
2016-02-03T13:05:36 < dongs> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjcyWDkyMQ==/z/ZnoAAOSwX~dWnrPL/$_10.JPG?set_id=880000500F
2016-02-03T13:05:46 < dongs> (from yesterdays discussion about hifi ram)
2016-02-03T13:06:02 < mitrax_> wtf is that
2016-02-03T13:06:10 < dongs> PCI bus de-noiser
2016-02-03T13:06:51 < karlp> won't that also be a PCI bus slower-down-er?
2016-02-03T13:06:56 < dongs> no
2016-02-03T13:07:00 < dongs> only vcc/gnd are connected
2016-02-03T13:07:05 < karlp> awesome.
2016-02-03T13:07:09 < karlp> sign me up for three
2016-02-03T13:07:13 < dongs> its literally just a bunch of caps
2016-02-03T13:07:21 < dongs> conected to +/- on every pcie/pci rail
2016-02-03T13:07:25 < dongs> like 3.3/12?V
2016-02-03T13:07:26 < dongs> or wahtever
2016-02-03T13:07:31 < karlp> better wait for your pc to startup nice and slowly now.
2016-02-03T13:07:43 < karlp> "hold on, can't play music yet, waiting for all my caps to charge"
2016-02-03T13:07:47 < mitrax_> ahahah
2016-02-03T13:08:11 < mitrax_> audiofools will buy anything
2016-02-03T13:09:32 < mitrax_> i missed the hifi ram bit, don't tell me it is what i think it is
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2016-02-03T13:11:58 < mitrax_> after Sony's "audiophile" SD card it wouldn't be that surprising though
2016-02-03T13:13:24 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/CmSptoD.png
2016-02-03T13:20:26 < mitrax_> dongs: done with your DCP board  already???
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2016-02-03T13:23:15 < mitrax_> hm nevermind easydcp is software decoding
2016-02-03T13:26:07 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/PCB-Design-9546449/
2016-02-03T13:29:30 < qyx>  2x CAN transients
2016-02-03T13:29:53 < dongs> give netherlander a break
2016-02-03T13:29:55 < dongs> at least hes not a paki
2016-02-03T13:31:48 < crt> deviders
2016-02-03T13:32:22 < crt> it is important to know this board needs 2x voltage dividers....
2016-02-03T13:32:37 < dongs> ..
2016-02-03T13:32:46 < dongs> maybe hes measuring 2 battery voltages or somethign
2016-02-03T13:32:50 < dongs> dont realyl see how thats a problem
2016-02-03T13:33:15 < dongs> wait
2016-02-03T13:33:18 < dongs> tarduino due is that arm shit isnt it?
2016-02-03T13:33:30 < crt> fuck knows i stay clear of it ;)
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2016-02-03T14:51:42 < bilboquet_> I think I found what is my tps bug. my footprint, requires to be precise and it lacks good silkscreen.
2016-02-03T14:51:54 < bilboquet_> so EP touch pin.
2016-02-03T14:52:07 < bilboquet_> i hope it's that
2016-02-03T14:53:14 < karlp> EP?
2016-02-03T14:53:55 < bilboquet_> exposed thermal pad
2016-02-03T14:55:07 < bilboquet_> bad footprint !
2016-02-03T14:56:25 < bilboquet_> a rare one I have not done it myself or stolen to esden !
2016-02-03T14:56:41 < bilboquet_> found it one web
2016-02-03T14:59:23 < bilboquet_> s/one/on the
2016-02-03T14:59:56 < bilboquet_> i'm sorry for my english
2016-02-03T15:02:00 < bilboquet_> and then I found that it lacks newbie here.
2016-02-03T15:02:12 < bilboquet_> luckily i'm here !
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2016-02-03T15:08:18 < dongs> rule #1 of this kinda shit
2016-02-03T15:08:22 < dongs> you always make your own footprints
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2016-02-03T15:15:43 < Ecco> Hi guys
2016-02-03T15:16:12 < Ecco> What do you think would be a fair price for a second hand Gigabit PoE 24-ports switch?
2016-02-03T15:16:21 < Ecco> (I'm looking at a Juniper one currently)
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2016-02-03T15:20:18 < mitrax_> depends what layer it is
2016-02-03T15:20:30 < Ecco> Layer 2
2016-02-03T15:20:47 < Ecco> Apparently it does layer3 stuff
2016-02-03T15:23:31 < mitrax_> well check the retail price of that specific model... or the price it's found at on ebay if it's obsolete, you'll get a pretty good idea
2016-02-03T15:24:06 < Ecco> ok
2016-02-03T15:24:17 < Ecco> From what' I've found
2016-02-03T15:24:28 < Ecco> switch sell for a very small fraction of their retail price once they're second-hand
2016-02-03T15:25:05 < mitrax_> what model is it?
2016-02-03T15:25:08 < Ecco> EX2200-24P-4G
2016-02-03T15:30:05 < Ecco> Just called the guy
2016-02-03T15:30:09 < mitrax_> i'd say anything < 200€ is a good deal (assuming it's in a good state)
2016-02-03T15:30:13 < Ecco> 250€
2016-02-03T15:30:21 < mitrax_> 250 is ok i guess
2016-02-03T15:30:25 < Ecco> Yeah, I guess
2016-02-03T15:30:30 < Ecco> it's PoE+
2016-02-03T15:30:45 < Ecco> gigabit + PoE are quite rare and expensive
2016-02-03T15:30:57 < Ecco> Juniper switches are solid aren't they?
2016-02-03T15:31:20 < mitrax_> probably, i'd trust them more than DLINK ones :)
2016-02-03T15:31:44 < Ecco> :-D
2016-02-03T15:35:41 < mitrax_> i have no experience with Juniper hw though, but considering Juniper is Cisco's main competitor with HP it can't be bad
2016-02-03T15:35:53 < Ecco> Great
2016-02-03T15:35:58 < Ecco> I've had a HP switch in the past
2016-02-03T15:36:06 < Ecco> a second-hand one
2016-02-03T15:36:12 < Ecco> it died after 2 years
2016-02-03T15:36:23 < Ecco> but HP replaced it within 24 hours by a brand new
2016-02-03T15:36:50 < mitrax_> cool
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2016-02-03T15:42:39 < Laurenceb> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/xindex.php,qaction=dlattach,3Btopic=39004.0,3Battach=1097477,3Bimage.pagespeed.ic.Cf2E6APhMs.jpg
2016-02-03T15:42:43 < Laurenceb> good for trolling
2016-02-03T15:42:52  * Laurenceb sends to rational wiki
2016-02-03T15:47:50 < Steffanx> Right is so laurenceb
2016-02-03T15:48:39 < Laurenceb> rational wiki ticks every box on the right
2016-02-03T15:49:14 < Steffanx> You are a regular visitor ;)
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2016-02-03T16:07:20 < Getty> Just to catch up on the Fast&Furious topic.......... http://imgur.com/zMkOPaO 8-)
2016-02-03T16:09:29 < karlp> fast8 is getting some filming in iceland.
2016-02-03T16:12:34 < Sync> > FF8
2016-02-03T16:12:35 < Sync> srs
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2016-02-03T16:18:20 < karlp> ff7 is 6th highest grossing movie of all time, you think they were going to stop?
2016-02-03T16:21:05 < Getty> we were just hoping it ends someday ;)
2016-02-03T16:21:54 < Sync> well we just hope vins gearbox never stops
2016-02-03T16:22:09 < Laurenceb> wtf i have no words
2016-02-03T16:28:43 < kakimir> back to work
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2016-02-03T17:37:42 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee4_1454498157
2016-02-03T17:38:25 < englishman> Steffanx: i think thats work at least a kick
2016-02-03T17:38:32 < englishman> worth
2016-02-03T17:43:13 < kakimir> Laurenceb: that what you get when you steal cheese
2016-02-03T17:43:23 < Laurenceb> yup
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2016-02-03T18:16:18 < ReadError> anyone use sigcack ?
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2016-02-03T18:21:28 < Steffanx> More torture for laurenceb englishman
2016-02-03T18:21:49 < Steffanx> Not sure if hostname hits more but who cares
2016-02-03T18:22:14 < englishman> could just do *!*@*.uk
2016-02-03T18:22:21 < englishman> and nothing of value would be lost
2016-02-03T18:24:25 < ReadError> so pulseview (the sigrok gui), its not bad
2016-02-03T18:24:42 < ReadError> but it doesnt let you export the decoder in the csv :(
2016-02-03T18:24:54 < Sync> I thought it does
2016-02-03T18:25:46 < ReadError> ehhh, well I have the timing decoder setup
2016-02-03T18:25:58 < ReadError> and when i export, its just 1 column of 1/0's
2016-02-03T18:29:54 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/1UOvz.jpg
2016-02-03T18:30:03 < ReadError> i like this though, the timing decoder
2016-02-03T18:30:17 < ReadError> just wish i could get some output with both
2016-02-03T18:30:46 < ReadError> saleae will just do the time based on capture or when it started
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2016-02-03T18:44:11 < kakimir> time to do some analog electronics
2016-02-03T18:44:31 < kakimir> I need active and passive cooling schemes to this led driver
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2016-02-03T18:44:42 < upgrdman_> what's the name for proto boards that are just a bunch of 0.1" holes with square copper pads so you can easily form solder-bridge traces?
2016-02-03T18:44:55 < kakimir> vero
2016-02-03T18:45:17 < kakimir> dotted vero board
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2016-02-03T18:45:44 < BrainDamage> thy have tons of names, search also for perfboard
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2016-02-03T18:45:58 < kakimir> upgrdman_: did you finish that spi thing?
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2016-02-03T18:46:01 < kakimir> and how?
2016-02-03T18:46:10 < BrainDamage> some also call them breadboards and some call the plastic stuff solderless breadboard to add confusion
2016-02-03T18:46:19 < upgrdman_> kakimir, yes. couldnt get it to work, so i drive CS manually
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2016-02-03T18:46:39 < kakimir> can you anyhow keep CS low without manually doing it?
2016-02-03T18:47:23 < kakimir> when you operate SPI from register
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2016-02-03T18:49:13 < ReadError> they have fancy ones too kakimir
2016-02-03T18:50:57 < kakimir> upgrdman_: and you left before telling what was that 256bits for?
2016-02-03T18:51:05 < kakimir> it bugs me
2016-02-03T18:51:48 < upgrdman_> the lpc1768 talks to an fpga over spi. those 256 bits contains data provided by the fpga.
2016-02-03T18:52:28 < upgrdman_> this is a prototype of the fpga part  http://farrellf.com/temp/fpga_adc_mux_dac.jpg
2016-02-03T18:52:53 < upgrdman_> basically the fpga managers an dac, dac, analog mux, 4-wire fans, and a bunch of other shit.
2016-02-03T18:53:23 < upgrdman_> and 256 bits of shits are used to communicate between the lpc1768 and the machxo2
2016-02-03T18:57:27 < kakimir> is it fpga bitstream?
2016-02-03T18:57:29 < upgrdman_> fuck, i cant find the kind of vero board i want on mouser
2016-02-03T18:57:42 < upgrdman_> kakimir, no, just 32 bytes of data.
2016-02-03T18:57:58 < kakimir> okay
2016-02-03T18:58:01 < upgrdman_> adc readings, fan rpm readings, some io expansion shits, etc.
2016-02-03T18:58:40 < Rickta59> http://www.ebay.com/itm/140878198259 something like that upgrdman_
2016-02-03T18:59:41 < upgrdman_> what i want is something like this, but from mouser. http://www.veroboard.com/images/3x10_Pad_Per_Hole.jpg
2016-02-03T18:59:58 < upgrdman_> individual square pads. easy to make traces with
2016-02-03T19:00:34 < kakimir> easy and easy
2016-02-03T19:00:52 < kakimir> it's quite shitty and should be avoided
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2016-02-03T20:08:04 < kakimir> tvs diodes before or behind input ferites?
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2016-02-03T21:03:29 < gxti_> what do you think kakimir?
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2016-02-03T21:16:49 < artag> yeah, the design is nice (esp. the fr4 version with a colander groundplane) but those pads come off far too easily. Should be pth.
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2016-02-03T21:31:08 < kakimir> gxti_: before
2016-02-03T21:31:26 < gxti_> kakimir: and why do you think that?
2016-02-03T21:31:53 < kakimir> to not load ferrite
2016-02-03T21:32:09 < kakimir> but if there is serious esd
2016-02-03T21:32:24 < gxti_> ferrite isn't ESD sensitive
2016-02-03T21:32:35 < kakimir> that peasant tvs needs something with impendance
2016-02-03T21:32:56 < gxti_> ferrite however will act as a low pass filter for any zaps that hit it
2016-02-03T21:33:02 < gxti_> which will make the tvs more effective
2016-02-03T21:33:30 < BrainDamage> try to put protection diodes as physically close as possible to the device to protect
2016-02-03T21:33:30 < kakimir> good
2016-02-03T21:33:35 < kakimir> that is how I have it
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2016-02-03T21:34:24 < gxti_> connector -> ferrite -> tvs -> delicate shit
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2016-02-03T21:39:57 < upgrdman_> shit. i installed some 20pF caps instead of 10pF cap for my xtal. anyone know it'll still oscillate (with lower performance, but still fucntional) ?
2016-02-03T21:40:23 < gxti_> probably
2016-02-03T21:40:37 < gxti_> what's the load capacitance spec for the crystal?
2016-02-03T21:41:47 < kakimir> since when you have been noob upgrdman ?
2016-02-03T21:42:04 < upgrdman_> iirc 10 or 12pf
2016-02-03T21:42:06 < BrainDamage> it should work, the frequency will just be off by a tiny bit
2016-02-03T21:42:15 < upgrdman_> cool. good enough for me.
2016-02-03T21:42:20 < gxti_> 20p is the correct value of cap to use then
2016-02-03T21:42:33 < gxti_> you want about 2*(Xc)-5pF
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2016-02-03T21:42:55 < upgrdman_> gxti_, err no i meant 10 or 12pf was what i should have used
2016-02-03T21:43:12 < upgrdman_> i dont have the datahsit in front of me
2016-02-03T21:43:16 < gxti_> sorry CL not Xc. the figure on the datasheet.
2016-02-03T21:43:31 < gxti_> if it says CL=12p (which is typical) you don't use 12p caps
2016-02-03T21:43:42 < gxti_> you use 12*2-5 = 19p caps. approximately.
2016-02-03T21:44:22 < BrainDamage> caps have stupid tollerances too anyway
2016-02-03T21:44:44 < kakimir> what do you guys think of doing resistor footprint of 2 series resistors as one for matching for dividers?
2016-02-03T21:44:50 < kakimir> or 2 by 2
2016-02-03T21:45:00 < kakimir> and schematic has just one resistor there
2016-02-03T21:45:26 < gxti_> whatever
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2016-02-03T21:57:20 < kakimir> what you been doing gxti?
2016-02-03T21:57:33 < gxti_> nothing
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2016-02-03T21:57:44 < kakimir> how does that feel
2016-02-03T21:57:47 < gxti_> great
2016-02-03T21:57:52 < kakimir> I know
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2016-02-03T22:06:00 < kakimir> I need some nice art to boards
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2016-02-03T22:20:07 < kakimir> if I happen to have empty area
2016-02-03T22:20:24 < kakimir> it's not guaranteed
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2016-02-04T00:03:46 < upgrdman_> fuck. can't connect to my lpc1768 breakout board. i'm probing the jtag lines, and they all stay high, except for tck, which seems to work fine. shouldn't tdo/tdi do stuff?
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2016-02-04T01:13:30 < kakimir> I think I will have 2 comparators
2016-02-04T01:14:04 < kakimir> then have some logic component to those outputs
2016-02-04T01:14:12 < kakimir> not sure what exactly
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2016-02-04T01:26:10 < kakimir> I go propably with comparator with reference and adjustable low and high threshold
2016-02-04T01:34:57 < upgrdman_> anyone know if leave VBAT floating on an lpc1768 will fuck it up?
2016-02-04T01:35:11 < upgrdman_> i now have it connected to 3v3, but still cant connect via jtag
2016-02-04T01:35:19 < kakimir> yes
2016-02-04T01:35:28 < kakimir> not permanently
2016-02-04T01:36:05 < upgrdman_> weird. and some pins are at like 2.3V and if i connect a 10K pull-down resistor they measure at like 0.6V
2016-02-04T01:36:12 < upgrdman_> maybe i fucked this chip up
2016-02-04T01:36:20 < kakimir> what pins?
2016-02-04T01:36:38 < upgrdman_> p0.26, p0.25, p0.24, and most (but not all) other gpios
2016-02-04T01:36:53 < kakimir> weak pullup?
2016-02-04T01:37:08 < kakimir> what is default state of pins
2016-02-04T01:37:17 < upgrdman_> maybe but then why wouldnt it be near 3.3V when left floating?
2016-02-04T01:37:17 < kakimir> what you measure it with?
2016-02-04T01:37:21 < upgrdman_> dmm
2016-02-04T01:37:28 < kakimir> okay.. it should
2016-02-04T01:38:13 < kakimir> have reference 3v3 somewhere to see your dmm is properly functioning
2016-02-04T01:38:15 < upgrdman_> and jtag looks dead. tdi/tdo/trst are always high. tck toggles when it tries to connect, but that's it.
2016-02-04T01:38:24 < kakimir> or that 3v3 is properly 3v3
2016-02-04T01:38:34 < upgrdman_> yes, i measure 3v3 with my dmm on the VDD and reset pins
2016-02-04T01:38:43 < upgrdman_> and on my jtag pins too
2016-02-04T01:38:44 < kakimir> what have you done with the chip?
2016-02-04T01:38:52 < upgrdman_> just a breakout board
2016-02-04T01:39:05 < kakimir> did you touch those jtag pins in software?
2016-02-04T01:39:08 < upgrdman_> just made one, but cant connect to it
2016-02-04T01:39:12 < upgrdman_> no
2016-02-04T01:39:20 < upgrdman_> factory fresh lpc, from mouser
2016-02-04T01:39:24 < kakimir> okay
2016-02-04T01:39:34 < kakimir> did you buy only one?
2016-02-04T01:39:59 < upgrdman_> 2
2016-02-04T01:40:05 < upgrdman_> im tempted to hot air it off and swap it
2016-02-04T01:40:18 < kakimir> note there is multiple voltage lines that need to be connected
2016-02-04T01:40:25 < upgrdman_> i just wish nxp would give a minimal schematic as a reference, but they dont
2016-02-04T01:40:31 < upgrdman_> to make sure i didn't troll myself
2016-02-04T01:40:43 < kakimir> have lpcxpresso schematic?
2016-02-04T01:40:58 < upgrdman_> kakimir, yes, several vdd/vss, vdda, vssa, vref+, vref-, ...
2016-02-04T01:41:05 < upgrdman_> kakimir, no
2016-02-04T01:41:11 < kakimir> https://www.embeddedartists.com/sites/default/files/docs/schematics/LPCXpressoLPC1769revB.pdf
2016-02-04T01:42:25 < upgrdman_> what a shit schematic. i miss stm.
2016-02-04T01:42:42 < kakimir> you puss
2016-02-04T01:43:00 < kakimir> you have pullups in resets?
2016-02-04T01:43:08 < upgrdman_> yes, 10k to 3v3
2016-02-04T01:43:21 < upgrdman_> for RST and TRST
2016-02-04T01:43:31 < upgrdman_> wtf is RSTOUT?
2016-02-04T01:44:30 < kakimir>  This is a 3.3 V pin. LOW on this pin indicates the
2016-02-04T01:44:31 < kakimir> microcontroller being in Reset state
2016-02-04T01:44:43 < kakimir> read that perhaps next?
2016-02-04T01:45:13 < upgrdman_> RSTOUT measure 3v3
2016-02-04T01:45:30 < kakimir> you made yourself breakout board?
2016-02-04T01:45:36 < upgrdman_> yes
2016-02-04T01:46:46 < kakimir> pics?
2016-02-04T01:47:07 < kakimir> and you didn't have nice schottky sot23 for vbat?
2016-02-04T01:47:11 < upgrdman_> tonight.
2016-02-04T01:47:27 < upgrdman_> no, atm it's just a jumper wire to vdd :)
2016-02-04T01:47:34 < upgrdman_> forgot to give it anything
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2016-02-04T01:48:36 < kakimir> note that lpc devices are reseted different from stm32
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2016-02-04T01:50:05 < upgrdman_> ? how
2016-02-04T01:51:06 < kakimir> when you debug it there is like different types of resets for different devices
2016-02-04T01:51:12 < kakimir> I don't know
2016-02-04T01:51:41 < kakimir> doesn't that turd have SWD btw?
2016-02-04T01:52:41 < kakimir> it does
2016-02-04T01:52:43 < upgrdman_> i think so, but our setup as work is for jtag.
2016-02-04T01:52:55 < upgrdman_> bbl, i'll have to fuck with this tomorrow.
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2016-02-04T02:01:45 < jadew`> I just had a brilliant idea
2016-02-04T02:01:56 < jadew`> Harry Potter!
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2016-02-04T02:08:05 < kakimir> -.-
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2016-02-04T02:55:09 < dongs> upgrdman: whats happening
2016-02-04T02:55:50 < dongs> i'm 1769 pro, will halp you with that stuff when you wakea up
2016-02-04T02:58:45 < kakimir> I calculated that with weak pull up and 10k resistor you get about that 0.6volts he mentioned
2016-02-04T02:59:07 < kakimir> also weak pull up voltage level never reaches 3v3
2016-02-04T03:00:06 < kakimir> so his 2.6volt measurement can be initial 3volts or so with leakage of dmm
2016-02-04T03:01:00 < kakimir> so he just got nervous noobing going on
2016-02-04T03:01:56 < kakimir> it doesn't take many microamps to fall from 3v to 2.6v
2016-02-04T03:03:06 < dongs> kikemir, shut up
2016-02-04T03:03:46 < Laurenceb_> sup Steffanx
2016-02-04T03:03:53 < Laurenceb_> I hurd I got b&
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2016-02-04T03:23:38 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh5LY4Mz15o
2016-02-04T03:30:22 < kakimir> yo bubba
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2016-02-04T05:37:28 < dongs> use gdb like a BOSS
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2016-02-04T06:21:44 < dongs> lol
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2016-02-04T06:24:17 < dongs> R2COM: https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/Allegro-PCB-Design-SIM-Schematics/ job 4 u
2016-02-04T06:25:37 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/Design-Product-9550433/
2016-02-04T06:26:17 < dongs> what hte shit, i cut myself and didnt notice
2016-02-04T06:26:23 < dongs> bleeding fuckign everywhere
2016-02-04T06:26:51 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Design-Electronics-Circuit-for-MIDI/
2016-02-04T06:26:54 < aandrew> balls
2016-02-04T06:27:08 < aandrew> dongs: the guy paying for the boards decided to do it in US at 4x the cost
2016-02-04T06:27:16 < dongs> aandrew: cool
2016-02-04T06:27:22 < dongs> his loss!
2016-02-04T06:27:29 < dongs> teh guy is probly R2COM
2016-02-04T06:27:31 < aandrew> agreed
2016-02-04T06:27:56 < aandrew> heh love it
2016-02-04T06:28:23 < aandrew> "I'm making a device. it's a drum set. you'll have to design the circuit and shit, but that's all I really know. I won't tell you anymore, just bid."
2016-02-04T06:28:41 < dongs> he says enough, but not enough to make me interested
2016-02-04T06:28:44 < dongs> i'd do it for 1.5k or so
2016-02-04T06:29:10 < dongs> its like 30mins schematic time
2016-02-04T06:29:32 < aandrew> he doesn't really give you enough info... you'll accept for 1.5k and then he'll say the pads need to support aftertouch and other bits and pieces of MIDI
2016-02-04T06:29:44 < dongs> heh
2016-02-04T06:29:47 < aandrew> he'll claim it shouldn've been understood from his exact spec
2016-02-04T06:30:04 < aandrew> nope not worth it at all
2016-02-04T06:30:13 < aandrew> $250 to design the entire shit? no thanks
2016-02-04T06:30:17 < aandrew> hell I woudln't even do it for 1500
2016-02-04T06:30:23 < aandrew> that's a monthlong project right there
2016-02-04T06:30:51 < aandrew> he also doesn't mention anything about software written, just the hw
2016-02-04T06:31:00 < dongs> eh, the dude might have something prototyped with tarduino or soemthing
2016-02-04T06:31:34 < aandrew> you are unusually optimistic, are you feeling alright? are you having a stroke?
2016-02-04T06:31:52 < dongs> no, stoned as usual
2016-02-04T06:32:11 < aandrew> heh
2016-02-04T06:32:18 < aandrew> what do you get stoned on in japland anyway
2016-02-04T06:32:25 < dongs> natto
2016-02-04T06:33:05 < aandrew> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Copywriting/NDA-protect-Start-code-source-9541648/
2016-02-04T06:34:19 < dongs> it did kinda slow down
2016-02-04T06:34:27 < dongs> when i first opened it a week ago there was so many ridiculous projects
2016-02-04T06:34:29 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/EtvZ222 <-- MFW reading freelancer
2016-02-04T06:34:57 < aandrew> it's a combination of WTF and WAT
2016-02-04T06:35:22 < aandrew> dude
2016-02-04T06:35:24 < aandrew> I just looked up natto
2016-02-04T06:35:27 < aandrew> jesus fuck
2016-02-04T06:35:52 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwZUJvdHLIM my feeling when reading freelancer
2016-02-04T06:35:53 < aandrew> it looks like someone jizzed on a plate of soybeans and let it out in the sun to ripen
2016-02-04T06:36:37 < aandrew> dongs how do you find that shit hahaha
2016-02-04T06:36:54 < aandrew> I kind of want to change my ringtone now
2016-02-04T06:36:59 < dongs> aandrew: original from here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oEhxd16f0A
2016-02-04T06:39:03 < dongs> typical japanese activity
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2016-02-04T07:19:07 < dongs> R2COM: sure, meanwell stuff for ac/dc
2016-02-04T07:19:08 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-04T07:19:16 < dongs> using it in pro stuff
2016-02-04T07:19:23 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-04T07:19:30 < dongs> those metal box ac/dc supplies
2016-02-04T07:20:09 < dongs> yes
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2016-02-04T07:20:17 < dongs> they usually have mounting holes/etc and drawings
2016-02-04T07:20:22 < dongs> so that you can design stuff to fit them
2016-02-04T07:20:36 < dongs> eh, bought 10 200Ws for around 400bucks
2016-02-04T07:20:38 < dongs> its not too awful
2016-02-04T07:20:45 < dongs> last week
2016-02-04T07:20:55 < dongs> there's some smaller stuff used in other shit
2016-02-04T07:21:05 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-04T07:22:04 < dongs> unsure. there's shitty meanwell clones etc.
2016-02-04T07:22:40 < dongs> meanwell is taiwanese / chink anyway
2016-02-04T07:22:46 < dongs> their usa office is jsut for selling shit to you
2016-02-04T07:31:48 < dongs> isnt DELTA or something american brand?
2016-02-04T07:32:06 < dongs> http://www.deltaww.com/Products/CategoryListT1.aspx?CID=0101&hl=en-US
2016-02-04T07:32:36 < dongs> ah they;re mostly pc garbage
2016-02-04T07:32:49 < dongs> chinq as prez
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2016-02-04T07:35:05 < dongs> real pro japs use panasonic lambda? or something supplies
2016-02-04T07:35:15 < dongs> or not panasonic i duno
2016-02-04T07:35:16 < dongs> something
2016-02-04T07:35:25 < dongs> ah TDK
2016-02-04T07:35:32 < dongs> https://us.tdk-lambda.com/lp
2016-02-04T07:37:06 < dongs> they're on digikey i think
2016-02-04T07:37:30 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/KMD15-1212/285-1759-ND/1827692
2016-02-04T07:37:33 < dongs> MEDICAL
2016-02-04T07:37:38 < dongs> yeah i think this is the pro shit you need
2016-02-04T07:38:01 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/PFE1000F-12/285-1851-ND/1974085
2016-02-04T07:39:04 < dongs> yes, thats why you buy tdk
2016-02-04T07:39:10 < dongs> my dicknplace uses those
2016-02-04T07:39:38 < dongs> cuz i dont wann pay $400/supply
2016-02-04T07:39:43 < dongs> i'd rather do 400 for 10
2016-02-04T07:40:01 < dongs> yes
2016-02-04T07:40:23 < dongs> http://www.meanwell.com/faq.html
2016-02-04T07:40:25 < dongs> ctrl+f for mtbf
2016-02-04T07:41:26 < dongs> I think i used some RS series ins omsething
2016-02-04T07:41:28 < dongs> that part# looks familar
2016-02-04T07:41:53 < dongs> i guess since I havent heard about it, it still works :)
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2016-02-04T07:45:03 < dongs> well, you dont ne ed to get the medical grade shit
2016-02-04T07:45:44 < dongs> ah theres nothing else
2016-02-04T07:45:45 < dongs> lols.
2016-02-04T07:47:50 < dongs> never heard of any of those
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2016-02-04T08:37:52 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/r1ktvG9.jpg
2016-02-04T08:38:27 < crt> neat
2016-02-04T08:39:13 < dongs> upgrdman: still need help with LPCaids?
2016-02-04T08:39:18 < upgrdman> ya
2016-02-04T08:39:24 < dongs> i have working boards with 78 and 79
2016-02-04T08:39:24 < upgrdman> but dont have it with me atm
2016-02-04T08:39:27 < dongs> kk
2016-02-04T08:39:35 < dongs> dong me when you're around i'll review  your shit
2016-02-04T08:39:42 < upgrdman> dongs, awesome. care to share the lpc1768 schematic?
2016-02-04T08:39:49 < upgrdman> o ok, that'll work too,.
2016-02-04T08:39:54 < dongs> ya, when you have time / board near.
2016-02-04T08:39:57 < upgrdman> k
2016-02-04T08:41:19 < upgrdman> dongs, the shit nxp datasheet has the pin details NOT in order of pin number. can you screenshot the lpc1768 schematic symbol so i can check that my pin numbers match their true functions?
2016-02-04T08:41:51 < dongs> lemme see. one of them i used was bga and onq qfp, dont know which was which
2016-02-04T08:41:52 < dongs> checking
2016-02-04T08:42:07 < upgrdman> oh, im using the lqfp100
2016-02-04T08:42:15 < dongs> 768 was bga100
2016-02-04T08:42:23 < dongs> so yeah that wouldnt be a lot of help
2016-02-04T08:42:24 < upgrdman> :(
2016-02-04T08:42:26 < dongs> i remember raging a lot about pinout too
2016-02-04T08:42:26 < upgrdman> k
2016-02-04T08:42:48 < dongs> 79 is qfp100
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2016-02-04T08:43:02 < upgrdman> any idea if 78 and 79 are pin compat?
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2016-02-04T08:43:50 < dongs> lets see
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2016-02-04T08:48:04 < dongs> nope
2016-02-04T08:48:07 < dongs> holy fuck
2016-02-04T08:48:26 < dongs> how the fuck is NXP even inbusiness
2016-02-04T08:48:35 < upgrdman> inorite
2016-02-04T08:49:01 < dongs> its liek COMPLETELY different
2016-02-04T08:49:13 < upgrdman> different interns did the tapeout
2016-02-04T08:49:14 < dongs> wait im trolling
2016-02-04T08:49:17 < dongs> im looking at 175x scehma
2016-02-04T08:49:22 < dongs> 176x is lucky same.
2016-02-04T08:50:42 < upgrdman> can you screenshot the 1769 qfp100 symbol?
2016-02-04T08:50:59 < dongs> ok
2016-02-04T08:50:59 < dongs> sec
2016-02-04T08:51:40 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/CpDYDIc.png
2016-02-04T08:51:46 < dongs> \lets hear you rage
2016-02-04T08:51:48 < dongs> that its completely different
2016-02-04T08:51:59 < dongs> their pin names are retarded too
2016-02-04T08:52:06 < dongs> P0, P1 wat
2016-02-04T08:52:51 < upgrdman> hmm looks good. ok. when at work tomorrow i'll double check my pinout
2016-02-04T08:52:57 < upgrdman> thanks
2016-02-04T08:54:44 < dongs> no problem, dongs!
2016-02-04T08:55:21 < upgrdman> typical wal-mart customer  http://imgur.com/Fn6X7kl
2016-02-04T08:56:21 < crt> wtf
2016-02-04T09:03:50 < upgrdman> damn, where's R2COM. i need to ask him why russians are so stupid.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CxlBGI-lyY
2016-02-04T09:04:10 < dongs> the fuck is going on there?
2016-02-04T09:04:16 < dongs> looool
2016-02-04T09:04:27 < upgrdman> pulling a car out of a hole, by breaking it
2016-02-04T09:04:54 < dongs> damn that guy got a bunch of youtube cash
2016-02-04T09:05:11 < dongs> 2 mil in  3 days?
2016-02-04T09:06:44 < crt> talk to the russians
2016-02-04T09:07:00 < upgrdman> r2com is one
2016-02-04T09:07:04 < upgrdman> or claims to be
2016-02-04T09:08:48 < crt> ah
2016-02-04T09:08:58 < crt> how is your lpc
2016-02-04T09:09:19 < upgrdman> its sitting at work, waiting for me to show up tomorrow and try to unfuck it
2016-02-04T09:09:43 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuAAPsiD768
2016-02-04T09:09:44 < dongs> lol
2016-02-04T09:09:49 < upgrdman> i have this bad feel that i have a VDD/VSS swapped or off-by-one.
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2016-02-04T09:10:07 < upgrdman> since some of the gpios, on a factory fresh mcu, are at 2.3V
2016-02-04T09:10:19 < upgrdman> and even with a 10k pull-down, they only drop to .6V
2016-02-04T09:11:09 < upgrdman> weird part tho is that only the jtag clock does anything. tdo/tdi/tms all stay at 3v3 the entire time.
2016-02-04T09:11:26 < upgrdman> would tdi be driven by the programmer?
2016-02-04T09:11:28 < dongs> nxp is aids
2016-02-04T09:11:30 < upgrdman> wouldnt*
2016-02-04T09:11:35 < dongs> we had a shitload of problems wiht the BGA version
2016-02-04T09:11:41 < upgrdman> :/
2016-02-04T09:12:01 < dongs> you don't need to have full jtag to talk to it tho
2016-02-04T09:12:05 < dongs> you can just connect swd and its ok.
2016-02-04T09:12:33 < dongs> you only need TCK/TMS/NRESET connected
2016-02-04T09:12:36 < dongs> and GND.
2016-02-04T09:12:41 < upgrdman> right now im using an lpc-link-2 as the programmer, and lpcxpresso to program
2016-02-04T09:13:10 < upgrdman> does lpc have a standalone programmer look kinda like stlink?
2016-02-04T09:13:18 < upgrdman> s/look/tool
2016-02-04T09:13:23 < dongs> you can use wiht stdick/jlink/etc
2016-02-04T09:13:30 < dongs> i never used any of lpcaidspresso shit
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2016-02-04T09:14:21 < upgrdman> so just hook up reset/swd-data/swd-clk/gnd, and stlink can flash a bin file to it?
2016-02-04T09:14:28 < dongs> yes
2016-02-04T09:14:31 < dongs> you're using lunix right?
2016-02-04T09:14:35 < upgrdman> no, windows.
2016-02-04T09:15:04 < dongs> waht do you use for stlink
2016-02-04T09:15:07 < dongs> stilnk-utility?
2016-02-04T09:15:16 < upgrdman> ya
2016-02-04T09:15:24 < dongs> yeah thats probly not gonna work
2016-02-04T09:15:28 < dongs> you'll need openocd or whatever
2016-02-04T09:15:32 < dongs> to talk to non-stm over stlink
2016-02-04T09:15:32 < upgrdman> hmm ok
2016-02-04T09:15:41 < dongs> you might be able to see the core at least
2016-02-04T09:15:42 < dongs> if it works
2016-02-04T09:15:44 < dongs> but no flashing
2016-02-04T09:15:53 < dongs> since stlink wont have the algorithms for nxp flash
2016-02-04T09:15:59 < upgrdman> k
2016-02-04T09:23:27 < dongs> RSTOUT is the dumbest pin on nxp
2016-02-04T09:23:48 < dongs> like who gives a fuck that its currently under reset
2016-02-04T09:24:05 < upgrdman> would RST tell you the same thing?
2016-02-04T09:24:08 < upgrdman> wouldnt*
2016-02-04T09:24:18 < dongs> i cant imagine why else it would be under reset
2016-02-04T09:24:27 < dongs> unless RST was held low
2016-02-04T09:24:33 < dongs> unless there's some software reset shit
2016-02-04T09:24:39 < dongs> but hten your core isnt running either
2016-02-04T09:24:42 < dongs> so fuck knows
2016-02-04T09:24:46 < upgrdman> rstout is low when under reset right?
2016-02-04T09:24:52 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-04T09:25:04 < upgrdman> good. iirc i measured 3v3 on that pin
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2016-02-04T09:28:12 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Electric-circuit-design/
2016-02-04T09:28:17 < dongs> so accurate description
2016-02-04T09:28:37 < crt> they can stick the 15/hr
2016-02-04T09:29:01 < jpa-> dongs: on STM32 NRST funnily goes down under some conditions.. even though many don't realize it is an output also
2016-02-04T09:29:30 < dongs> jpa, how do you "reset" it without reset?
2016-02-04T09:29:33 < dongs> over swd or something?
2016-02-04T09:30:40 < upgrdman> excellent resume photo  https://www.freelancer.com/u/sagradoamicus.html
2016-02-04T09:30:50 < jpa-> dongs: one way is to forget to solder AVDD pin
2016-02-04T09:31:06 < jpa-> but yeah, i think SYSRSTREQ in software also pulls down NRST though i'm not sure
2016-02-04T09:31:24 < dongs> 3. KICAD
2016-02-04T09:31:28 < dongs> 9. KICAD
2016-02-04T09:31:32 < dongs> this guy is so pro
2016-02-04T09:31:35 < dongs> he knows kikecad TWICE
2016-02-04T09:32:25 < jpa-> the other is a backup when the first one crashes
2016-02-04T09:32:38 < dongs> aahah
2016-02-04T09:32:46 < jpa-> of course the second one will crash also, but that's ok, it being kicad no-one expected results anyway
2016-02-04T09:34:45 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/complete-Face-detection-algorithm-purely/
2016-02-04T09:34:48 < dongs> haha
2016-02-04T09:35:20 < crt> right o
2016-02-04T09:35:41 < crt> have you found anything worth taking on there dongs ?
2016-02-04T09:35:46 < dongs> no
2016-02-04T09:35:54 < crt> i was guessing that would be your answer
2016-02-04T09:36:04 < dongs> just small pcba proj that was easy 800bucks
2016-02-04T09:36:09 < crt> i see
2016-02-04T09:36:47 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Architecture/Write-some-software-9555042/
2016-02-04T09:36:50 < dongs> haha
2016-02-04T09:36:52 < dongs> the software shit is a fucking joke
2016-02-04T09:37:00 < dongs> i should just remove C from my skills
2016-02-04T09:37:06 < dongs> bceause so much garbage is posted under that its not even funny
2016-02-04T09:37:49 < crt> i see
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2016-02-04T11:28:59 < Fleck> http://poremontuavto.com/wp-content/uploads/11126-700x329.jpg
2016-02-04T11:29:21 < dongs> murica
2016-02-04T11:29:23 < crt> what a flogger
2016-02-04T11:31:56 < Fleck> that's for pedestrians :D
2016-02-04T11:42:49 < crt> some old granny is going to fall over and break her pelvis
2016-02-04T11:43:03 < dongs> and sue
2016-02-04T11:43:09 < dongs> or perhaps sue before even falling
2016-02-04T11:43:15 < crt> true
2016-02-04T11:43:48 < dongs> damn dvd ripping never really got fast and they just died anyway
2016-02-04T11:43:56 < dongs> 30 minutes for 4.5gig disk fuck off
2016-02-04T11:44:11 < crt> back in 2005
2016-02-04T11:44:24 < dongs> the only way to get jap audio for a bunch of shit
2016-02-04T11:44:53 < crt> nihongo
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2016-02-04T12:19:31 < karlp> r2commie can't read? mtbf for the meanwell's is in the datasheets
2016-02-04T12:23:26 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-04T12:23:45 < dongs> i didnt wanna tip him off on that
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2016-02-04T12:27:48 < karlp> anyone been to embedded world?
2016-02-04T12:28:00 < karlp> is it interesting, or jsut a bunch of market stalls?
2016-02-04T12:33:53 < dongs> i would imagine its just like every other expo
2016-02-04T12:34:01 < dongs> i've been to broadcast ones, its just wank
2016-02-04T12:38:01 < karlp> it has a conference portin, but it doesn't have a list of topics or anything, does seem to be more market oriented, less tech education
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2016-02-04T12:41:11 < dongs> eh
2016-02-04T12:41:14 < dongs> my pal says
2016-02-04T12:41:20 < dongs> microshit bought atmel cuz arm wouldnt license to them?
2016-02-04T12:41:25 < dongs> how legit is that lol
2016-02-04T12:42:16 < jpa-> hm, why wouldn't arm license to them
2016-02-04T12:42:35 < karlp> because they're a mips lover
2016-02-04T12:42:42 < jpa-> are they angry about pic32 stealing the zano markets?
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2016-02-04T12:43:03 < dongs> jpa-: well, microchip has nothing with ARM core inside
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2016-02-04T12:43:33 < jpa-> yeah, but who knows whether it is by their choice or arms
2016-02-04T12:43:59 < Sync> well they have some arms in their shit before
2016-02-04T12:45:03 < jpa-> Sync: oh?
2016-02-04T12:48:20 < Sync> some of the companies they bought before had arms licensed
2016-02-04T12:48:40 < karlp> dongs: talking about pci-e and abuse of existing connectors, here's usinga usb3 cable to carry pcie: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-PCI-E-to-4-Ports-USB-3-0-Hub-Expansion-Bay-Front-Drive-Panel-Bracket-UR-/161878531079?hash=item25b0b65c07:g:Zg4AAOSwo6lWOaoq
2016-02-04T12:50:06 < Sync> well, why not
2016-02-04T12:52:51 < karlp> oh, not complaining, just nice
2016-02-04T12:52:55 < dongs> haha. well, yeah thats not so bad, its like using DVI for PCI-e
2016-02-04T12:53:34 < dongs> free twisted pairs
2016-02-04T12:54:52 < Sync> ye
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2016-02-04T13:57:42 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/htC7m2O.png fucking lol
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2016-02-04T14:02:33 < kakimir> is dongs a black man
2016-02-04T14:02:47 < kakimir> jewish
2016-02-04T14:03:04 < kakimir> and resides in japan
2016-02-04T14:03:26 < zyp> no, he's a 13 year old girl
2016-02-04T14:03:33 < Fleck> ;p
2016-02-04T14:03:58 < Fleck> naah, 13yr old girls are not so dumb
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2016-02-04T15:31:07 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=78b_1454456141
2016-02-04T15:31:07 < dongs>  wat
2016-02-04T15:35:18 < karlp> thats' pretty high qaulity
2016-02-04T15:35:59 < kakimir> luckily it's only for construction of childrends hospital and nuclear power plant
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2016-02-04T16:50:43 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Assembly-language-for-MIPS/ found ivan
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2016-02-04T17:02:09 < Steffanx> fl is dongs new before sleep literature?
2016-02-04T17:02:26 < dongs> yes
2016-02-04T17:02:29 < dongs> now t hat zano is done
2016-02-04T17:03:07 < Steffanx> No more ks browsing?
2016-02-04T17:04:24 < dongs> good point
2016-02-04T17:10:11 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=092_1385087034 holy fucking lOL
2016-02-04T17:10:25 < dongs> very old tho
2016-02-04T17:12:50 < kc2uez> what is a zano?
2016-02-04T17:13:15 < kc2uez> oh, the drone
2016-02-04T17:13:31 < dongs> you mean oh, the scam
2016-02-04T17:14:04 < kc2uez> i thought it was a good concept
2016-02-04T17:14:50 < zyp> which parts of it do you think was good?
2016-02-04T17:14:51 < kc2uez> it may still doable, but for sure will need a complete re-design
2016-02-04T17:15:10 < dongs> kc2, its doable if you dont mind 3 minutes battery life
2016-02-04T17:15:36 < kc2uez> the idea of having a drone following you around while you do some stuff
2016-02-04T17:15:53 < dongs> yeah except that just doesnt work
2016-02-04T17:16:06 < dongs> it might be doable in open field with nothing around you for hundreds of km
2016-02-04T17:16:11 < dongs> but nowehre else.
2016-02-04T17:16:18 < dongs> erm,,, hundreds of m
2016-02-04T17:18:45 < kc2uez> yes, I agree but it would be cool to have a third person point of view all the time, that is what I am talking about. maybe a few years from now when you can get an AA size nuclear battery
2016-02-04T17:19:18 < kc2uez> or have the motors generate their own power
2016-02-04T17:20:10 < dongs> you might as well just open zano2 dickstarter right now
2016-02-04T17:20:11 < kc2uez> or instead of 4 motors just run 1 and power the 4 propellers
2016-02-04T17:20:12 < dongs> with that idea
2016-02-04T17:21:10 < kc2uez> or have a cloud guy follow you like in mariokart
2016-02-04T17:21:51 < kc2uez> instead of zano call it lakitu
2016-02-04T17:22:12 < kc2uez> or jugem
2016-02-04T17:24:08 < kc2uez> that an idea, motorize helium balloon with camera
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2016-02-04T17:29:32 < kakimir> I have 8 potentiometers
2016-02-04T17:29:39 < kakimir> I have 8 ADC channels
2016-02-04T17:29:57 < kakimir> and channel from temperature sensor
2016-02-04T17:30:12 < kakimir> I need some nasty way to mux that one in
2016-02-04T17:30:25 < kakimir> potentiometers are to be driven with GPIO
2016-02-04T17:30:47 < kakimir> just replace GND of potentiometer with one GPIO?
2016-02-04T17:30:58 < kakimir> then hi-z all potentiometers
2016-02-04T17:31:00 < kakimir> ?
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2016-02-04T17:33:35 < artag> use digital temp sensor ?
2016-02-04T17:33:53 < kakimir> hmm
2016-02-04T17:33:55 < kakimir> maybe
2016-02-04T17:34:17 < kakimir> it is to be placed right to led module
2016-02-04T17:34:52 < kakimir> what sensor you recommend?
2016-02-04T17:35:09 < artag> 18b20 is cheap and cherful. TI have some tiny ones too.
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2016-02-04T17:36:46 < kakimir> I can throw out 2potentiometers too
2016-02-04T17:37:02 < kakimir> ones I use to characterice temp sensor
2016-02-04T17:46:09 < kakimir> onewire it is
2016-02-04T17:46:24 < kakimir> I happen to have those in my shelf too
2016-02-04T17:48:24 < kakimir> it's nice to do project without needing to buy much of anything to it
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2016-02-04T17:56:18 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/MTiNxZK.png
2016-02-04T17:57:22 < kakimir> why not have dirt filtered?
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2016-02-04T18:08:08 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/PCB-Design-CadSoft-EAGLE-9559537/ kakimir heads up
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2016-02-04T18:09:00 < Getty> ok now its really official, our distributor actually sold the "demo device" we prepared for selling events to a random customer
2016-02-04T18:09:30 < Getty> but the customer didnt complained... we dont know who got it, he just ignored the marker we set on it, so its just randomly packed in
2016-02-04T18:09:54 < Getty> the demo device resets itself every reboot, setting to default values for everything...... 8-) hey if the customer is happy....
2016-02-04T18:10:20 < Getty> it does have a good default setup, so the customer might be just happy with the defaults hehehehe
2016-02-04T18:19:44 < kakimir> dongs: I don't work with people who use eagle
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2016-02-04T18:21:52 < Getty> kakimir: hahahaha...... do you feel lonely? ;)
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2016-02-04T18:23:42 < kakimir> I rather feel lonely than have no standards
2016-02-04T18:23:55 < Getty> <thumbsup> ;)
2016-02-04T18:24:26 < Getty> if we go down, then with style and true to our standards!
2016-02-04T18:28:40 < artag> meh, eagle is dying. there's so many other non-free alternatives and there's much better sharing of models so their library size is no longer tempting to newbies
2016-02-04T18:29:40 < artag> it was always crap because of its crippleware status and nobody who was used to commercial packages liked the interface
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2016-02-04T18:49:16 < dongs> library size should never be a factor in deciding EDA
2016-02-04T18:49:25 < dongs> because you're going to make all your own symbols/footprints anyway.
2016-02-04T18:49:33 < dongs> its the only way to roll
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2016-02-04T18:55:47 < Getty> artag: the point is more that there are many people who will just not go away from eagle cause of it making them happy. I can imagine A LOT of those, my father is like one
2016-02-04T18:56:05 < Getty> he doesnt even want to try out the alternatives, as he for sure doesnt want to learn anything new (given his age..... i dont blame him ;) )
2016-02-04T18:59:35 < dongs> even diptrace is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eagle
2016-02-04T18:59:42 < dongs> and it takes zero time to figure out
2016-02-04T18:59:49 < dongs> if anything it'll take longer to unlearn all teh faggotry of eagle
2016-02-04T18:59:54 < dongs> than to use any other eda package
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2016-02-04T19:12:46 < dongs> http://www.fpvguy.com/2016/02/microdrone-30.html haha , oops
2016-02-04T19:12:49 < dongs> another 3mil down teh shitter
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2016-02-04T19:18:13 < dongs> let's see how racist intel is today http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/diversity/diversity-2015-annual-progress-report.html
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2016-02-04T19:27:40 < upgrdman_> i checked my lpc1768/69 schematic, and it looks good. does the following pin assignments sound sane to you:
2016-02-04T19:28:01 < upgrdman_> pins 1,2,3,4,5,17 each pulled to 3v3 with 10k resistors
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2016-02-04T19:28:35 < upgrdman_> pins 10,12,19,28,42,54,71,84,96 connected direct to 3v3
2016-02-04T19:29:04 < upgrdman_> pins 11,15,41,55,72,8397 connected direct to gnd
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2016-02-04T19:29:22 < upgrdman_> and a 12MHz crystal + two 20pF caps for pins 22,23
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2016-02-04T20:52:21 < Taxman> dongs: Eagle is not so bad. It works. I am thinking to switch to geda some day. But not to another EDA package that costs $$$$.
2016-02-04T20:53:45 < zyp> haha
2016-02-04T20:55:19 < upgrdman_> any jtag pros awake? on a working lpc1768 board, the RTCK pin is at 3v3. on a lpc1768 board i can't connect to, RTCK is at ground. adding a 10k pull-up doesn't change anything, it's still at ground. could this be a symptom?
2016-02-04T20:57:23 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: just forget about RTCK, use fixed jtag clock freq.
2016-02-04T20:58:08 < upgrdman_> well im using an lpc link 2 programmer, and the TCK pin seems to be the only jtag pin that does anything
2016-02-04T20:58:14 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: is the device probably sleeping or remapping pins due to firmware currently in use? Then try to use some boot strap pin to force it into a bootloader mode or something like that.
2016-02-04T20:58:14 < upgrdman_> with this broken board
2016-02-04T20:58:31 < upgrdman_> it's a factory fresh mcu from mouser
2016-02-04T20:58:34 < upgrdman_> never been programmed
2016-02-04T20:58:58 < upgrdman_> i tried pulling eint0 low, then pulling reset low, then release reset... didnt help
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2016-02-04T20:59:23 < PaulFertser> Not sure about lpc parts, do they have internal clock?
2016-02-04T20:59:42 < upgrdman_> yes, they have an internal rc oscillator
2016-02-04T20:59:48 < upgrdman_> and i have a 12mhz crystal on the pcb too
2016-02-04T20:59:57 < PaulFertser> Because when something like this happens, it's either faulty power supply connection or the boot pins or the clock.
2016-02-04T21:00:10 < PaulFertser> Probably faulty crystal or caps?
2016-02-04T21:00:31 < upgrdman_> guess i could try removing the crystals and load caps
2016-02-04T21:00:33 < upgrdman_> brb
2016-02-04T21:00:34 < PaulFertser> Do they start from internal osc normally and then the firmware switches to external, like stm32?
2016-02-04T21:00:38 < upgrdman_> crystal*
2016-02-04T21:00:42 < upgrdman_> ya
2016-02-04T21:00:44 < PaulFertser> Or is it automatic?
2016-02-04T21:00:50 < upgrdman_> manual iirc
2016-02-04T21:01:02 < PaulFertser> Then a fresh part shouldn't be switching it on, so it doesn't matter what's attached there.
2016-02-04T21:01:22 < upgrdman_> that's what i thought
2016-02-04T21:01:39 < upgrdman_> and oscope reveals it's not oscillating anyway
2016-02-04T21:02:19 < upgrdman_> PaulFertser, when i try to connect via jtag, the tclk line does it's think, but all other lines are high (3v3)... shouldn't tdi be doing something?
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2016-02-04T21:03:19 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: tdi doesn't matter but tms is driven by the host, so it should visibly change during IDCODE interrogation iirc.
2016-02-04T21:04:24 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: are you sure trst and srst are not pulled low?
2016-02-04T21:06:30 < upgrdman_> lemme hook up my logic analyzer again
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2016-02-04T21:14:55 < upgrdman_> PaulFertser, when trying to program: RTCK goes low, TCK toggles like a clock, but all other lines, including reset, stay at 3v3
2016-02-04T21:16:18 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: and when not trying RTCK stays high?
2016-02-04T21:19:30 < upgrdman_> its normally low
2016-02-04T21:19:39 < upgrdman_> but it seems to sometimes go high for a couple seconds
2016-02-04T21:19:41 < upgrdman_> wtf :/
2016-02-04T21:23:19 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: try comparing to a working board with a blank chip, it might give additional clues.
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2016-02-04T21:25:53 < Martin90> which IDE to work with nucleo dev platform ?
2016-02-04T21:26:06 < PaulFertser> Martin90: Emacs
2016-02-04T21:26:38 < Martin90> are you serious ;P ?
2016-02-04T21:26:49 < PaulFertser> Martin90: well, I'm using Emacs, works for me.
2016-02-04T21:27:14 < PaulFertser> Martin90: you might like http://gnuarmeclipse.github.io/ though
2016-02-04T21:29:16 < Martin90> well, first of all I am on windows
2016-02-04T21:30:14 < PaulFertser> I'm not sure how that makes my suggestions irrelevant. That software is cross-platform.
2016-02-04T21:31:08 < PaulFertser> upgrdman_: probably solderig issue? Are you probing Vcc, GND directly on top of mcu pins?
2016-02-04T21:31:39 < Martin90> PaulFertser, yes I noticed, thanks for suggestion ;)
2016-02-04T21:33:40 < Martin90> I am considering either mbed or CUBE right now
2016-02-04T21:33:53 < Martin90> seems to be good choices
2016-02-04T21:34:30 < PaulFertser> Martin90: mbed with mbed HAL? Good luck with t.
2016-02-04T21:34:54 < Martin90> I ma talking about mbed.org
2016-02-04T21:35:39 < PaulFertser> Might make sense for arduino-style programming imitation though.
2016-02-04T21:36:28 < Martin90> heh, "imitation" ?
2016-02-04T21:37:34 < PaulFertser> Martin90: key word is arduino here. Meant to be used by those who doesn't want to read datasheets and programming textbooks. Seems to work nicely for the purpose.
2016-02-04T21:39:24 < Martin90> PaulFertser, no I am not one of those hobbyist, I am quite fluent in AVR but there, in terms of IDE it's simple you either use Atmel studio or some other environment which generates intel hex..
2016-02-04T21:40:15 < PaulFertser> Martin90: many people here came to conclusion it's best to do the same with stm32. I.e. read datasheet, write to registers. Using whatever IDE they like.
2016-02-04T21:40:43 < karlp> Martin90: people happily use emacs or eclipse for avrs too...
2016-02-04T21:40:48 < PaulFertser> Martin90: what's great about stm32 compared to avr is fast and cheap on-chip-debug.
2016-02-04T21:41:09 < Martin90> PaulFertser, yes no doubt
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2016-02-04T21:42:27 < Martin90> "Keil MDK" looks like a good choice too
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2016-02-04T21:44:00 < PaulFertser> I've seen some very weird thing today: uVision with jlink (clone) didn't show stack area memory correctly, it didn't update the display after stepping "push" instruction, and when later hardfault occured it didn't show any backtrace at all! The very same hardware combination, without reflashing, with same .axf file but openocd + gdb showed memory properly, unwinded backtrace properly from an
2016-02-04T21:44:06 < PaulFertser> exception handler. wtf dongs?
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2016-02-04T22:24:27 < jadew`> and it's not me...
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2016-02-04T22:26:38 < jadew> nvm, my IP
2016-02-04T22:26:54 < jadew> but I still don't understand what's going on
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2016-02-04T22:57:17 < kakimir> have you come by any nice new buck regulators?
2016-02-04T22:57:26 < kakimir> around 2amperes out
2016-02-04T22:57:32 < kakimir> internal fet
2016-02-04T22:57:36 < kakimir> high efficiency
2016-02-04T22:57:46 < kakimir> high switching frequency
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2016-02-04T22:58:23 < kakimir> I think I should have look into my shelve but it's 5meters away and can't see little labels that far
2016-02-04T23:01:02 < kakimir> those chips are chosen in unreliable mindstates
2016-02-04T23:04:29 < kakimir> http://www.gearmo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/GM-TTL5VT-UART-Pinout.jpg are these pins.. so that txd is input or rxd is input?
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2016-02-04T23:39:28 < MartinR90> is that "IAR Embedded Workbench" worth using ?
2016-02-04T23:40:25 < kakimir> ehm
2016-02-04T23:40:29 < kakimir> for what?
2016-02-04T23:42:14 < MartinR90> as IDE for stm32 ?
2016-02-04T23:42:22 < MartinR90> tool chain etc
2016-02-04T23:42:42 < kakimir> looks like moneyz
2016-02-04T23:42:50 < kakimir> enterprise solution
2016-02-04T23:43:49 < MartinR90> is there official STM32 IDE ?
2016-02-04T23:43:57 < MartinR90> like AVRs Atmel studio
2016-02-04T23:44:09 < MightyPork> there's the "stm workbench" whatever thing
2016-02-04T23:44:16 < kc2uez> take a look at http://www.emblocks.org/web/
2016-02-04T23:45:10 < MartinR90> is visual studio possible ?
2016-02-04T23:45:16 < MightyPork> MartinR90 what do you really need it for? just need a good editor really
2016-02-04T23:45:24 < MightyPork> openocd, gdb
2016-02-04T23:45:31 < mitrax_> MartinR90: yup, i use visual studio
2016-02-04T23:45:55 < MartinR90> mitrax_, how do you link it to work with smt32 ?
2016-02-04T23:46:14 < mitrax_> MartinR90: for it to be really functional you need a plugin though (wingdb), but it works really well
2016-02-04T23:47:17 < MartinR90> mitrax_, ok thanks for suggestion
2016-02-04T23:47:21 < kakimir> there is openocd eclipse extension and some cortex extensions for creating CMSIS boilerplates and stuff
2016-02-04T23:47:35 < kakimir> if you want to use eclipse
2016-02-04T23:48:13 < MartinR90> kakimir: I would like to program in VS if it is really possible
2016-02-04T23:48:25 < kakimir> I have heard it is
2016-02-04T23:48:41 < MartinR90> ok I will check it
2016-02-04T23:48:47 < kakimir> and that VS kind of rules
2016-02-04T23:49:14 < MartinR90> STM32 needs .hex or .bin for flash ?
2016-02-04T23:50:48 < kakimir> no you dont do it like that normally with debugger
2016-02-04T23:52:07 < MightyPork> hm anyone know what "HDMI CEC" is for? I see it in the f042 DS but it's not very informative
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2016-02-04T23:53:27 < kakimir> MartinR90: if you use gnu compiler you get .elf or such debugger uses to load memmory areas to chip
2016-02-04T23:53:27 < MartinR90> well, I come from 8-bit AVR ;)
2016-02-04T23:54:12 < MightyPork> you get .bin from gcc and then can flash it with st-flash
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2016-02-04T23:54:23 < MightyPork> (well that's one way)
2016-02-04T23:54:51 < MightyPork> ok actually get elf, and then bin with objcopy
2016-02-04T23:55:13 < kakimir> bin is created of that afterwards yes
2016-02-04T23:55:16 < MightyPork> it's almost like avrdude really
2016-02-04T23:55:42 < MartinR90> ok cool
2016-02-04T23:55:56 < kakimir> can't you flash production version in debugger?
2016-02-04T23:56:02 < kakimir> never tried to..
2016-02-04T23:56:36 < MightyPork> I thought debugger loads it to ram? (may be mistaken)
2016-02-04T23:56:55 < kakimir> it depends of settings
2016-02-04T23:57:11 < kakimir> there is usually selection to debug from ram or debug from flash
2016-02-04T23:57:40 < MartinR90> mitrax_: it's rather VisualGDB not WInGDB
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2016-02-05T00:02:06 < kakimir> does visualgdb have all tools for building?
2016-02-05T00:02:16 < mitrax_> MartinR90: nope, i'm refering to winGDB
2016-02-05T00:02:37 < mitrax_> MartinR90: http://www.wingdb.com/wgDownload.htm
2016-02-05T00:03:01 < MartinR90> hmm I also noticed VisualGDB
2016-02-05T00:03:09 < kakimir> 30days trial
2016-02-05T00:03:11 < kakimir> hmm
2016-02-05T00:03:18 < kakimir> how much VS cost btw?
2016-02-05T00:03:25 < mitrax_> MartinR90: yeah i saw that one too but never tried it
2016-02-05T00:03:57 < MartinR90> "In order to continue using WinGDB after 30 days, please purchase a license."
2016-02-05T00:04:09 < kakimir> I'm not convinced of these tools for VS by their webages
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2016-02-05T00:04:14 < kakimir> webpages
2016-02-05T00:04:14  * MartinR90 is opensource dead ?
2016-02-05T00:04:33 < mitrax_> MartinR90: eclipse
2016-02-05T00:04:36 < kakimir> VS is not really an opensores tool
2016-02-05T00:04:43 < mitrax_> MartinR90: don't expect anything opensource for visual studio
2016-02-05T00:05:02 < mitrax_> MartinR90: or well... if you find something let me know :)
2016-02-05T00:05:58 < MartinR90> kakimir: I've heard VS is becoming free now...
2016-02-05T00:07:35 < kakimir> when?
2016-02-05T00:08:48 < MartinR90> check this out -> https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/free-developer-offers-vs.aspx
2016-02-05T00:11:33 < kakimir> and lunix
2016-02-05T00:12:27 < kakimir> https://www.visualstudio.com/code-vs isn't this some other editor rebranded?
2016-02-05T00:12:40 < kakimir> looks like that hipster editor..
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2016-02-05T00:13:54 < MartinR90> yes it is VS code
2016-02-05T00:15:03 < kakimir> https://www.sublimetext.com/
2016-02-05T00:15:38 < MartinR90> I sue sublime myself
2016-02-05T00:15:49 < kakimir> https://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-community-vs what does that community mean
2016-02-05T00:15:59 < kakimir> to me it sounds like lite version
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2016-02-05T00:16:45 < kakimir> what's the catch?
2016-02-05T00:17:00 < MartinR90> I dunno
2016-02-05T00:17:42 < MartinR90> I decided to just use sublime and gdb for debugging
2016-02-05T00:18:44 < kakimir> I wonder about that VS
2016-02-05T00:18:59 < kakimir> I wonder too much and work too little
2016-02-05T00:19:19 < MartinR90> ;p
2016-02-05T00:19:38 < MartinR90> sorry for mentioning this...
2016-02-05T00:19:58 < MartinR90> I see it occupied your thought now
2016-02-05T00:21:19 < kakimir> I think I'm going to prepare little vote what ide people use
2016-02-05T00:22:08 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ARM_Cortex-M_development_tools
2016-02-05T00:22:15 < kakimir> there is for you MartinR90
2016-02-05T00:22:30 < kakimir> this is quite complete set
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2016-02-05T00:23:11 < MartinR90> I see, thanks
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2016-02-05T00:24:16 < kakimir> is emIDE used by anyone?
2016-02-05T00:27:16 < kakimir> http://strawpoll.me/6728706 test poll do not vote
2016-02-05T00:27:23 < kakimir> how does it look
2016-02-05T00:27:38 < kakimir> notepad is lacking
2016-02-05T00:31:18 < MartinR90> hmm is it possible to debugg stm32 ?
2016-02-05T00:31:28 < MartinR90> with ATmel studio
2016-02-05T00:34:01 < MightyPork> atmel? dont think so. I code & debug with QtCreator. got openocd + gdb integration built in, it works really nice.
2016-02-05T00:34:29 < MightyPork> (but no clue how it works on windoze)
2016-02-05T00:35:07 < kakimir> lpcxpresso would actually do stm32s
2016-02-05T00:35:15 < kakimir> just throw them extensions in
2016-02-05T00:35:22 < kakimir> and start a project
2016-02-05T00:35:39 < kakimir> another thing is why the hell you would want to do that
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2016-02-05T00:37:11 < kakimir> http://strawpoll.me/6728809 OAKY OKAY THERE WE HAVE A POLL
2016-02-05T00:38:31 < upgrdman_> this lpc1768 board is really pissing me off. tried replacing the mcu, tried adding kynar wire direct to each vdd/vss in case of pcb issues... still wont connect :/
2016-02-05T00:38:45 < kakimir> cast your cotes now
2016-02-05T00:39:01 < upgrdman_> kakimir, does lpc have a pin that needs to be driven to pick jtag vs swd?
2016-02-05T00:39:01 < kakimir> upgrdman_: did a little math yesterday
2016-02-05T00:39:32 < kakimir> I don't recall a pin like that
2016-02-05T00:39:48 < kakimir> but there might be different reset for one
2016-02-05T00:39:54 < kakimir> and different for other
2016-02-05T00:39:55 < kakimir> or so
2016-02-05T00:39:57 < kakimir> read the shiet
2016-02-05T00:40:02 < kakimir> so I did math
2016-02-05T00:40:46 < kakimir> and 0.6volts with weak pull up equals ~10k resistor
2016-02-05T00:40:55 < kakimir> is what you measured
2016-02-05T00:41:16 < upgrdman_> i measured 0.6V on a pin that i added a 10k pull DOWN to
2016-02-05T00:41:24 < kakimir> yes
2016-02-05T00:41:27 < upgrdman_> and its like 2.3V without the pull down
2016-02-05T00:41:37 < kakimir> down sorry..
2016-02-05T00:41:42 < upgrdman_> k
2016-02-05T00:42:43 < kakimir> that figure requires that your DMM would leak some quite a lot
2016-02-05T00:43:15 < kakimir> but even initial voltage level with weak pullup is not 3v3
2016-02-05T00:43:22 < kakimir> but 3volts
2016-02-05T00:44:06 < kakimir> so is there pics yet?
2016-02-05T00:45:28 < kakimir> that 2.3volt figure would mean your DMM leaking 40microamps
2016-02-05T00:45:29 < upgrdman_> no
2016-02-05T00:45:50 < upgrdman_> this shits way to ugly looking now to share pics
2016-02-05T00:46:20 < kakimir> hmm
2016-02-05T00:46:43 < kakimir> would equal resistance of 60kilo-ohms
2016-02-05T00:46:49 < kakimir> that is not likely
2016-02-05T00:47:11 < kakimir> or is it?
2016-02-05T00:47:41 < kakimir> so before you run again tell exactly what you try to do with it and with what
2016-02-05T00:49:08 < kakimir> what debug probe, what debugger backend, what ide, what kind of settings you have dialed in and what does it return?
2016-02-05T00:51:19 < upgrdman_> lpcxpresso talks to the lpc-link-2
2016-02-05T00:51:32 < upgrdman_> if i plug the lpc-link-2 to a good board, it works fine
2016-02-05T00:51:55 < kakimir> ookay
2016-02-05T00:51:59 < upgrdman_> if i plug it into my shit board, it "02. Failed on connect"
2016-02-05T00:52:03 < kakimir> good board?
2016-02-05T00:52:13 < upgrdman_> good board works fine. can program and debug, etc.
2016-02-05T00:52:26 < kakimir> what is that good board?
2016-02-05T00:52:42 < upgrdman_> some board my company made a couple years ago
2016-02-05T00:54:12 < kakimir> hah
2016-02-05T00:54:48 < kakimir> so show those schematics for your board
2016-02-05T00:55:17 < upgrdman_> the bad one?
2016-02-05T00:55:21 < kakimir> that one
2016-02-05T00:57:03 < karlp> fuck you fakimir, no netbeans on your fucking list?!
2016-02-05T00:57:20 < upgrdman_> kakimir, super shit, but here: http://imgur.com/uzyazeX
2016-02-05T00:57:32 < kakimir> karlp: I thought I forgot atleast one
2016-02-05T00:57:42 < upgrdman_> theres no schematic, i just rushed a pcb drawing in like 20 minutes :)
2016-02-05T00:57:43 < kakimir> but there is that other button karlp
2016-02-05T00:58:07 < kakimir> if there is more than one major tool missing I think it need redo
2016-02-05T00:58:21 < upgrdman_> kakimir, there's pull-up resistor on all the jtag likes, not shown in that pic
2016-02-05T00:58:38 < upgrdman_> kakimir, and i added a wire from VBAT to 3V3, since i forgot to do that in copper
2016-02-05T00:59:34 < kakimir> is this single layer?
2016-02-05T00:59:41 < upgrdman_> yes
2016-02-05T00:59:47 < upgrdman_> etched quick at home
2016-02-05T00:59:52 < MightyPork> kakimir also your poll was missing qtcreator, my favourite :P
2016-02-05T01:00:23 < kakimir> so new poll it is
2016-02-05T01:00:36 < kakimir> try to mention even one more
2016-02-05T01:00:49 < MightyPork> maybe make it in something less dumb so you can add options? :P
2016-02-05T01:01:21 < kakimir> I hoped there was such but these poll tools are just dumb
2016-02-05T01:01:35 < kakimir> maybe there is
2016-02-05T01:01:38 < MightyPork> can whip up a google form
2016-02-05T01:01:45 < MightyPork> just doesnt have fancy results view,
2016-02-05T01:01:58 < MightyPork> (I hope at least they can be modified)
2016-02-05T01:02:43 < kakimir> modify the results
2016-02-05T01:03:03 < kakimir> like it was north korean election
2016-02-05T01:04:13 < MightyPork> ok tried & you can change it while it's up.
2016-02-05T01:05:25 < MightyPork> it also can show a chart of responses to anyone
2016-02-05T01:06:16 < kakimir> upgrdman_: you have jtag transport in use for sure?
2016-02-05T01:06:36 < kakimir> also does that old board have swd connectivity?
2016-02-05T01:10:34 < kakimir> what is RST0n
2016-02-05T01:10:58 < kakimir> resetout I guess
2016-02-05T01:10:59 < upgrdman_> well the jtag pins can be used as swd, but we've always used jtag
2016-02-05T01:11:06 < upgrdman_> rston is 3v3
2016-02-05T01:11:11 < upgrdman_> yes, reset out
2016-02-05T01:11:21 < upgrdman_> and indicating that its not under reset
2016-02-05T01:12:06 < kakimir> you have crystal on board?
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2016-02-05T01:12:24 < upgrdman_> and in case you're wondering, tms and tck are flying wires to those pads next to the jtag header. that why they look unconnected
2016-02-05T01:12:34 < upgrdman_> yes, crystal and caps are populated.
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2016-02-05T01:12:43 < kakimir> is crystal oscillating?
2016-02-05T01:12:53 < upgrdman_> and both side of the xtal are at gnd, as expected, since you have to start the osciallator manually
2016-02-05T01:12:54 < kakimir> I don't know it propably should not
2016-02-05T01:13:23 < kakimir> what is going on at P2.10?
2016-02-05T01:13:39 < upgrdman_> its an exti that signals ISP mode
2016-02-05T01:13:53 < upgrdman_> if you short to ground, then short reset to ground, mcu knows to go into isp mode
2016-02-05T01:14:10 < kakimir> and you have that one free atm?
2016-02-05T01:14:13 < upgrdman_> hmm just found this http://dangerousprototypes.com/docs/images/b/b1/Cct-LPC1768.png
2016-02-05T01:14:31 < upgrdman_> kakimir, yes, but i tried using it to enter isp mode, nothing changed
2016-02-05T01:15:12 < kakimir> what is size of pullup resistor?
2016-02-05T01:17:01 < upgrdman_> 10k
2016-02-05T01:17:14 < kakimir> try to add 10k pullup to trst
2016-02-05T01:17:22 < upgrdman_> i did
2016-02-05T01:17:23 < kakimir> lpcxpresso board has one
2016-02-05T01:17:24 < upgrdman_> no change
2016-02-05T01:17:43 < kakimir> you have bypass caps in that mess?
2016-02-05T01:17:46 < kakimir> :D
2016-02-05T01:17:57 < kakimir> ?
2016-02-05T01:18:02 < upgrdman_> yes
2016-02-05T01:18:03 < upgrdman_> :)
2016-02-05T01:18:12 < upgrdman_> i fucked up the footprint, but made it work
2016-02-05T01:20:22 < kakimir> okay what was hte error?
2016-02-05T01:20:25 < upgrdman_> 1206 10uF 35V MLCCs stuck between vdd/vss header pins
2016-02-05T01:20:33 < upgrdman_> error was on caps for xtal
2016-02-05T01:20:42 < kakimir> how..
2016-02-05T01:20:50 < kakimir> xtal caps
2016-02-05T01:21:19 < kakimir> this eagle thing isn't even complete there is one VDD loose
2016-02-05T01:21:58 < kakimir> but 10uF is mad?
2016-02-05T01:22:05 < upgrdman_> mad?
2016-02-05T01:23:13 < kakimir> there is one of those?
2016-02-05T01:23:32 < upgrdman_> one of what
2016-02-05T01:23:36 < kakimir> 10uF?
2016-02-05T01:23:43 < upgrdman_> yes
2016-02-05T01:23:47 < upgrdman_> between every vdd/vss
2016-02-05T01:23:56 < kakimir> okay
2016-02-05T01:24:29 < upgrdman_> heres an old pic showing my shit crystal fuckup. photo was taken before i added a bunch of pull-up resistor and shits
2016-02-05T01:24:32 < upgrdman_> http://imgur.com/TTohX7D
2016-02-05T01:24:36 < kakimir> I think 1µF would have been oka
2016-02-05T01:24:39 < kakimir> okay
2016-02-05T01:24:49 < kakimir> even just 0.1
2016-02-05T01:24:56 < upgrdman_> ya but i have like 300 of these 1206 10uF caps
2016-02-05T01:25:00 < upgrdman_> so why not
2016-02-05T01:25:04 < kakimir> thats cute
2016-02-05T01:25:32 < upgrdman_> this board is such a fuckin embarrasment.
2016-02-05T01:25:39 < kakimir> no
2016-02-05T01:25:43 < upgrdman_> almost tempted to trash it and start over fresh
2016-02-05T01:25:47 < kakimir> it's wery millenium
2016-02-05T01:26:16 < kakimir> something you read from "this is how you do smd electronics" book
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2016-02-05T01:26:48 < kakimir> that xtal is a mess
2016-02-05T01:27:00 < upgrdman_> inorite
2016-02-05T01:27:26 < upgrdman_> this is what i get for making a pcb in 20 mins, just by looking at notes
2016-02-05T01:27:30 < kakimir> is the actually those little xtals with leads at the one side?
2016-02-05T01:27:38 < upgrdman_> no, smd
2016-02-05T01:27:52 < kakimir> connected pads I mean
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2016-02-05T01:28:16 < kakimir> I'm used to ones with cross scheme to pads
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2016-02-05T01:31:11 < kakimir> http://imgur.com/gallery/sKIwcCO
2016-02-05T01:31:35 < kakimir> now somebody help me to pick order to GND 3V3 SDA and SCL
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2016-02-05T01:47:21 < kakimir> http://imgur.com/gallery/ud6T3 breeze of time
2016-02-05T01:48:29 < karlp> gack, c++ is hard
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2016-02-05T02:03:38 < mitrax_> karlp: ?
2016-02-05T02:05:30 < kakimir> that is why you don't do c++ unless you really have to
2016-02-05T02:05:41 < karlp> never used it much, trying to wrestle some references into shape with an unfamiliar library, was getting an inadvertent extra object, instead of passing the one I thought I was getting.
2016-02-05T02:05:57 < karlp> well, I think there's some nice bits I want to try and use,
2016-02-05T02:06:01 < karlp> but it's hurting me so far :)
2016-02-05T02:06:15 < zyp> everything is hard when you don't know it ;)
2016-02-05T02:06:34 < karlp> yep :)
2016-02-05T02:06:36 < karlp> works now :)
2016-02-05T02:06:54 < karlp> have a blynk app that can show the values from some mqtt topics.
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2016-02-05T02:08:32 < karlp> I thought struct blah = {} was valid c++ to initialize to zero though,
2016-02-05T02:08:57 < karlp> and -Weffc++ is giving me warnigns I don't understand, but that's cool.
2016-02-05T02:08:59 < mitrax_> = {0}
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2016-02-05T02:10:39 < karlp> istr that the {0} is _only_ for c and not for c++,
2016-02-05T02:10:39 < mitrax_> priori to C++11
2016-02-05T02:11:54 < mitrax_> no
2016-02-05T02:12:54 < karlp> well, I still get missing field init warnings with both struct blah = {} and = {0}
2016-02-05T02:13:22 < mitrax_> gcc?
2016-02-05T02:14:09 < karlp> 5~yep
2016-02-05T02:16:05 < mitrax_> weird
2016-02-05T02:17:02 < karlp> this -Weffc++ is difficult
2016-02-05T02:17:25 < mitrax_> sounds like a false positive warning that hasn't been fixed
2016-02-05T02:19:31 < karlp> ah, no, I think this is/was a gcc bug that I don't hav efixed on this machine
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2016-02-05T02:20:19 < karlp> hrm, or are they zerod'd automatically in c++?
2016-02-05T02:20:36 < mitrax_> what?
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2016-02-05T02:22:16 < mitrax_> the members of your struct?
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2016-02-05T02:24:27 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-02-05T02:24:40 < mitrax_> hey
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2016-02-05T02:25:54 < mitrax_> dongs: we didn't get to see the finished 3D print of whatever that was
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2016-02-05T02:28:31 < mitrax_> oh well, bed time
2016-02-05T02:28:32 < kakimir> http://strawpoll.me/6729550 this is versatile enought
2016-02-05T02:28:38 < dongs> upgrdman__: no, i was sleeping
2016-02-05T02:28:39 < kakimir> somebody topic it
2016-02-05T02:28:43 < dongs> mitrax_: the album was updated
2016-02-05T02:29:28 < mitrax_> dongs: where was it hosted? what domain, i'll search in my history
2016-02-05T02:29:35 < dongs> upgrdman__: i dont see pin31 connected to vss
2016-02-05T02:29:39 < dongs> mitrax_: i only use imgur
2016-02-05T02:30:37 < mitrax_> nice butt plugs
2016-02-05T02:33:48 < upgrdman__> dongs, on my board? it's got thermals to the ground plane
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2016-02-05T02:34:43 < mitrax_> upgrdman: no :) dongs' 3D print http://imgur.com/a/NQaCM
2016-02-05T02:35:09 < upgrdman> mitrax_, lol, my comment was re: dongs, not re: your butt plug comment
2016-02-05T02:35:55 < mitrax_> duh, sorry i'm tired, it's definitely bed time for me, g'night :)
2016-02-05T02:36:00 < upgrdman> but ya, nice butt plugs. should add serrations so it's more painful to remove them
2016-02-05T02:39:52 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/QmvSiQn
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2016-02-05T02:42:20 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzrpua6JHfE
2016-02-05T02:42:22 < englishman> this is pretty neat
2016-02-05T02:42:47 < dongs> upgrdman: paste schematic (in /msg if nda), ill take a look. i need to run off until noon
2016-02-05T02:42:54 < dongs> just chip part w/pin names is oK
2016-02-05T02:43:00 < dongs> so i can see vcc/gnd type shit.
2016-02-05T02:43:01 < dongs> bbl
2016-02-05T02:43:11 < dongs> some of thoes jtag dont need to be pulled
2016-02-05T02:43:14 < dongs> but doesnt hurt if it is
2016-02-05T02:43:18 < dongs> idoubt thats your problem tho
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2016-02-05T02:43:49 < dongs> bbl
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2016-02-05T02:47:20 < crt> kakimir: where is keil which fell off the back of a truck
2016-02-05T03:03:32 < kakimir> I don't get a joke
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2016-02-05T03:23:41 < crt> keil is great, paying for it... not so much
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2016-02-05T04:25:54 < karlp> http://imgur.com/NRtM95o
2016-02-05T04:27:19 < jadew> speaking of dongs, you were right, w10 is an improvement in almost every aspect
2016-02-05T04:27:30 < jadew> at least functionality wise
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2016-02-05T04:56:14 < crt> i am using w10
2016-02-05T05:21:45 < dongs> http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/life_and_death/AJ201601210001
2016-02-05T05:21:47 < dongs> wacky japan
2016-02-05T05:24:08 < jadew> are they still using gasoline with lead in it?
2016-02-05T05:40:39 < dongs> yes
2016-02-05T05:40:52 < jadew> you're joking, right?
2016-02-05T05:42:53 < dongs> does it matter
2016-02-05T05:42:55 < dongs> its not like you drink it
2016-02-05T05:43:06 < jadew> oh it matters
2016-02-05T05:44:22 < jadew> it causes mental illness
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2016-02-05T05:45:27 < dongs> now i know whats really wrong with japan
2016-02-05T05:46:47 < jadew> saw a documentary about it a while ago
2016-02-05T05:47:08 < jadew> apparently our body can't figure out what exactly it is and it mistakes it for various molecules
2016-02-05T05:47:24 < jadew> and when it does that, it starts using it to build cells
2016-02-05T05:47:57 < jadew> and somehow it gets used in the brain too
2016-02-05T05:47:59 < emeb_mac> I like how there's a strong correlation between crime & leaded gas
2016-02-05T05:48:06 < jadew> and it blocks sinapses
2016-02-05T05:48:19 < jadew> emeb_mac, really? didn't know that
2016-02-05T05:48:37 < emeb_mac> R2COM: you've got a weird idea of vacation
2016-02-05T05:51:16 < emeb_mac> jadew: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/07/violent-crime-lead-poisoning-british-export
2016-02-05T05:51:40 < jadew> emeb_mac, yeah, it makes sense
2016-02-05T05:51:46 < emeb_mac> R2COM: If you're there for a while go see JSC
2016-02-05T05:51:54 < emeb_mac> rockets!
2016-02-05T05:52:27 < dongs> houston more like jewston
2016-02-05T05:52:37 < emeb_mac> dongs: hardly
2016-02-05T05:53:04 < emeb_mac> white sands is cool
2016-02-05T05:53:14 < emeb_mac> big empty + all the testing sites
2016-02-05T06:01:41 < emeb_mac> I've driven through it a couple times. Seems interesting. I like the area up east of Alamagordo in Linclon Nat'l Forest - Cloudcroft, etc. Pretty area.
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2016-02-05T09:06:17 < dongs> ^_-
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2016-02-05T09:28:10 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Microcontroller/Remote-with-ESP/
2016-02-05T09:28:36 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/Intel-Atom/ .,. yeah
2016-02-05T09:52:40 < Amperture> I've seen way too many projects on Freelancer where they upload the "design specs" file titled "HW1.pdf"
2016-02-05T09:52:50 < Amperture> Not sure if I want to be doing that shit
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2016-02-05T10:01:07 < bilboquet_> may be could interest, some of you : http://hackaday.com/2016/02/04/adding-position-control-to-an-open-source-brushless-motor-driver/
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2016-02-05T10:04:52 < Amperture> CHRIST IN HEAVEN THAT SOLDER JOB
2016-02-05T10:05:03 < Amperture> Lord help us all
2016-02-05T10:05:22 < jpa-> Amperture: ?
2016-02-05T10:05:50 < jpa-> first time you see a hobby ESC? :P
2016-02-05T10:06:09 < jpa-> soldered connections for 50+A is silly, but if one is to do it, that's how it is done
2016-02-05T10:06:13 < Amperture> yes, in fact
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2016-02-05T10:36:39 < dongs> more vesc spam
2016-02-05T10:39:40 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=38a_1454572140 haha
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2016-02-05T13:24:33 < dongs> dongul8
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2016-02-05T13:33:58 < Steffanx> Nice password dongs
2016-02-05T13:37:34 < Steffanx> Stopped innovating?
2016-02-05T13:38:14 < jpa-> he will dong us all
2016-02-05T13:38:57 < Steffanx> Yikes.
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2016-02-05T13:47:27 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/PCB-Design-9567791/
2016-02-05T13:47:29 < dongs> quick buck
2016-02-05T13:47:33 < dongs> too bad the pcb is boring
2016-02-05T13:51:14 < qyx> well know Dextrel Zero Crossing circuit
2016-02-05T13:51:15 < qyx> whats that
2016-02-05T13:51:18 < qyx> googling
2016-02-05T13:51:56 < dongs> you could probly do it if you dont midn all t hrough-hole shit
2016-02-05T13:52:05 < qyx> http://www.dextrel.net/diyzerocrosser.htm
2016-02-05T13:52:05 < qyx> aha
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2016-02-05T13:52:13 < dongs> lol
2016-02-05T13:52:16 < dongs> that schematic looks famiilar
2016-02-05T13:52:18 < dongs> its in their pdf
2016-02-05T13:53:06 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Design-Product-9567761/
2016-02-05T13:53:09 < dongs> this is same one wiht specification
2016-02-05T13:53:12 < dongs> duno why they posted it twice
2016-02-05T14:02:08 < qyx> please avoid features such as vias.
2016-02-05T14:02:11 < qyx> uhm
2016-02-05T14:02:16 < dongs> lol
2016-02-05T14:02:22 < qyx> the board is huge
2016-02-05T14:02:26 < qyx> 12x6cm?
2016-02-05T14:02:31 < dongs> please avoid features such as traces
2016-02-05T14:02:34 < dongs> and components
2016-02-05T14:02:49 < dongs> are they gonna single-layer it?
2016-02-05T14:03:33 < dongs> icant imagine anywhere else in UK that can prototype a 2L board on a weekend
2016-02-05T14:11:52 < qyx> The Prototype Board will be hand made using laser printer and etching so please avoid features such as vias.
2016-02-05T14:11:55 < qyx> :>
2016-02-05T14:12:01 < dongs> ah
2016-02-05T14:12:08 < dongs> good luck
2016-02-05T14:16:22 < zyp> haha
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2016-02-05T14:43:21 < karlp> ultra-low power consumption; worst case power dissipation < 120mW
2016-02-05T14:59:51 < zyp> for what?
2016-02-05T15:03:47 < karlp> that dexler zero crossing circuit.
2016-02-05T15:05:04 < zyp> haha, 120mW doesn't sound very low for that kind of application
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2016-02-05T15:17:10 < kakimir> did you guys apply?
2016-02-05T15:17:21 < dongs> no
2016-02-05T15:17:24 < dongs> you go do it
2016-02-05T15:17:26 < dongs> in kikecad
2016-02-05T15:17:28 < dongs> on single layer
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2016-02-05T15:19:05 < kakimir> i have done triac control
2016-02-05T15:19:40 < dongs> i bet
2016-02-05T15:22:01 < kakimir> I'm not completelly new to subject
2016-02-05T15:22:22 < kakimir> I just wonder can pakistanis do a shit
2016-02-05T15:22:39 < kakimir> so what I would be up against
2016-02-05T15:23:35 < dongs> it needs to be done by like tomorrow
2016-02-05T15:23:54 < kakimir> that is like mad
2016-02-05T15:24:05 < kakimir> I could spend 5days on that
2016-02-05T15:24:12 < dongs> with kikecad, yes
2016-02-05T15:24:17 < dongs> wiht proper tools, probbly less
2016-02-05T15:24:35 < kakimir> you are putting tools to too big role
2016-02-05T15:24:53 < kakimir> at least no one is using eagle
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2016-02-05T15:29:46 < kakimir> that would double the time
2016-02-05T15:30:40 < kakimir> i think time factor in kicad with simpke designs are like 1.3
2016-02-05T15:31:06 < kakimir> compared to superior cad
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2016-02-05T15:42:49 < bilboquet_> For Those Who Followed on my tps63001. there was no error. it works !
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2016-02-05T15:53:56 < dongs> cool
2016-02-05T15:54:00 < dongs> what was wrong, your shitty soldering?
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2016-02-05T15:56:06 < kakimir> how much freelancer robs you for a job?
2016-02-05T15:56:46 < dongs> 5 or 10% or osmeshit
2016-02-05T15:56:47 < dongs> no idea
2016-02-05T15:56:58 < kakimir> hahhah
2016-02-05T15:57:09 < zyp> feelancer
2016-02-05T15:57:09 < dongs> ikr
2016-02-05T15:57:18 < bilboquet_> yes,  my shitty soldering :) and the lack of a good silkscreen to place it precisely
2016-02-05T15:57:24 < dongs> if you pay them $50/month, then their fee is only like 2%
2016-02-05T15:57:57 < kakimir> finnish welware system failed me
2016-02-05T15:58:26 < mitrax_> dongs: talking about silkscreen, what screen printing machine do you use?
2016-02-05T15:58:37 < zyp> haha
2016-02-05T15:58:43 < dongs> ytou mean stencil?
2016-02-05T15:58:44 < dongs> or wat
2016-02-05T15:58:51 < kakimir> they don't want to give me moneys
2016-02-05T15:58:51 < dongs> *I* dont have any silkscreen printing machines.
2016-02-05T15:59:16 < dongs> i ahve some netherlandish or something stencil printer
2016-02-05T15:59:18 < mitrax_> so you don't it manually?
2016-02-05T15:59:28 < dongs> i have stencil printer, yes
2016-02-05T15:59:31 < dongs> not silkscreen.
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2016-02-05T16:01:17 < mitrax_> yeah i mean stencil printer sorry
2016-02-05T16:01:25 < dongs> shit
2016-02-05T16:01:28 < dongs> they might be out of busines now
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2016-02-05T16:01:38 < dongs> http://www.technoprint-smt.nl/
2016-02-05T16:01:39 < dongs> lool
2016-02-05T16:01:47 < dongs> Because Technoprint-SMT stopped their SMT production on January 1st 2015 their website is no longer active.
2016-02-05T16:01:50 < dongs> In agreement with Technoprint-SMT, Spidé will continue the production of their most popular machines.
2016-02-05T16:01:54 < dongs> fucking cunts
2016-02-05T16:07:08 < Sync> seems like a small operation in streetview
2016-02-05T16:09:51 < ReadError> http://www.banggood.com/Magnetic-Adsorption-Micro-USB-Universal-Charger-Cable-For-Xiaomi-Huawei-Meizu-p-1004685.html
2016-02-05T16:09:54 < ReadError> i should kickstart this
2016-02-05T16:11:58 < Sync> only if it is ambi
2016-02-05T16:12:46 < joeltxbx> why would you kick start something that already is available
2016-02-05T16:12:57 < ReadError> joeltxbx you obviously dont know how kickstarters work
2016-02-05T16:13:34 < kakimir> http://strawpoll.me/6729550 topic this
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2016-02-05T16:16:33 < nullprobe> hey dongs, I finally finished the HDMI splitter in 3 rgb displays.. I used a texas component for HTMI to RGB conversion and a CPLD to split the clock for each displays.. Thanks for your help ;)
2016-02-05T16:16:55 < dongs> yaeh
2016-02-05T16:17:03 < dongs> that would have been the least effort way of doing it
2016-02-05T16:17:07 < dongs> cpld is a must there.
2016-02-05T16:17:13 < dongs> how does it look/work?
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2016-02-05T16:19:29 < joeltxbx> ReadError it would be cool if it were USB C
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2016-02-05T16:20:10 < ReadError> joeltxbx how many phones have usb c ?
2016-02-05T16:20:19 < nullprobe> It looks ok, better than when I was trying to do it with the analog device  ADV7611
2016-02-05T16:20:20 < dongs> dixus 6
2016-02-05T16:20:25 < ReadError> guessing a majority are still micro usb
2016-02-05T16:20:35 < dongs> nullprobe: don't realyl think that would make any difference :)
2016-02-05T16:20:39 < dongs> RGB is RGB.
2016-02-05T16:20:44 < dongs> was TI just easier to use/program?
2016-02-05T16:20:53 < dongs> it was TFP701 or something liek that from TI right?
2016-02-05T16:20:56 < zyp> ReadError, I'm of the impression that all new decent ones are usb c
2016-02-05T16:20:58 < joeltxbx> ReadError they will come around to usb type C but if you supported the entire spec of 3.1 that would pretty awesome
2016-02-05T16:20:59 < nullprobe> Yes it was much easier
2016-02-05T16:21:11 < ReadError> zyp well new stuff sure
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2016-02-05T16:21:30 < zyp> ReadError, well, duh, nobody is going to upgrade old phones to usb c
2016-02-05T16:21:40 < ReadError> but that magjack idea is great
2016-02-05T16:21:41 < joeltxbx> :) haha
2016-02-05T16:21:48 < ReadError> im surprised it hasnt taken off
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2016-02-05T16:22:00 < nullprobe> dongs, yes it is from TI, and is a "stupid" component, (no configuration)
2016-02-05T16:22:10 < dongs> nice
2016-02-05T16:22:36 < zyp> ReadError, sony are using some kind of magnetic connectors on their shit
2016-02-05T16:22:46 < joeltxbx> im sure there are patent infringements if you sold it as a magsafe adapter
2016-02-05T16:23:36 < ReadError> joeltxbx those connectors are impossible to find
2016-02-05T16:23:43 < ReadError> i wanted to use them on a few projects
2016-02-05T16:23:49 < joeltxbx> yeah you will have to do the tooling for it
2016-02-05T16:24:16 < nullprobe> btw do you guys have ever worked with lwip both with ethernet and wifi? as a wifi module I'm using RS9110 from red pine, and it already have tcp/ip
2016-02-05T16:24:52 < nullprobe> Seems like the lwip is too coupled
2016-02-05T16:25:42 < joeltxbx> what are you trying to do?
2016-02-05T16:26:20 < nullprobe> I have a web server on my mcu and I'm trying to access it from both ethernet and wifi
2016-02-05T16:26:28 < nullprobe> from ehternet is just fine
2016-02-05T16:26:40 < nullprobe> now i want to add wifi support
2016-02-05T16:27:10 < dongs> add an ethernet switch chip
2016-02-05T16:27:21 < zyp> haha
2016-02-05T16:27:22 < dongs> or
2016-02-05T16:27:24 < dongs> add usb hub
2016-02-05T16:27:27 < dongs> and plug in usb wifi dongle
2016-02-05T16:27:45 < joeltxbx> at the end of the day though its going to show up as two IP addresses
2016-02-05T16:28:06 < zyp> rs9110 seems to contain its own ip stack
2016-02-05T16:28:14 < zyp> you wouldn't use lwip on that
2016-02-05T16:28:16 < nullprobe> dongs, I alreade have the hardware, and my mcu doesn't have USB driver
2016-02-05T16:28:25 < zyp> oh, you can bypass that
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2016-02-05T16:29:26 < zyp> lwip seems to support multiple interfaces just fine
2016-02-05T16:30:23 < joeltxbx> but can it bridge the two together so they are accessible by the same IP address?
2016-02-05T16:30:40 < dongs> how do you even expect that to work
2016-02-05T16:30:53 < dongs> what happens on your lan when you have a wired IP and wireless IP on same address
2016-02-05T16:30:54 < joeltxbx> haha i dont know :) but that would be awesome
2016-02-05T16:31:51 < joeltxbx> I just think the router should be smarter about it
2016-02-05T16:32:16 < zyp> maybe it's you who needs to be smarter about it :)
2016-02-05T16:33:00 < nullprobe> I mean lwip has a httpserver app example and it is done for ethernet, I need to port it to use my WIFI module
2016-02-05T16:33:16 < zyp> start with that then
2016-02-05T16:33:33 < nullprobe> and I need to bypass lwip because my module already has ip stack
2016-02-05T16:34:58 < zyp> or bypass the stack on the module and use lwip
2016-02-05T16:35:53 < rewolff1> Same IP on different networks is not a problem.
2016-02-05T16:36:25 < rewolff1> It could cause funnyness if you have a router (AP) routing those two networks as well...
2016-02-05T16:37:43 < karlp> joeltxbx: don't need that mag solution so much for usb-c, the cable goes in first time everytime, no usb double flip required :)
2016-02-05T16:38:10 < nullprobe> But I will have 2 different IPs
2016-02-05T16:38:51 < nullprobe> also because I need to show different things
2016-02-05T16:39:11 < nullprobe> So I need to know if is from wifi or from ethernet
2016-02-05T16:39:29 < joeltxbx> karip: it still doesnt yank out easily like the magsafe if the cord gets pulled on by something like a dog
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2016-02-05T17:23:02 < Getty> https://www.yahoo.com/tech/usb-c-cables-playing-russian-163600756.html .. hui \o/
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2016-02-05T17:41:08 < nullprobe> Do you know if is possible to use trace feature with stlink v2?
2016-02-05T17:42:03 < nullprobe> I'm using ac6 sw4stm32 as IDE but it seems it doesn't have any trace feature
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2016-02-05T17:42:57 < dongs> dongman
2016-02-05T17:43:55 < nullprobe> dongs?
2016-02-05T17:43:59 < dongs> nullprobe: i dont know
2016-02-05T17:44:25 < nullprobe> you don't use trace?
2016-02-05T17:44:36 < nullprobe> I need it for FreeRTOS debugging
2016-02-05T17:44:45 < dongs> i use it with proper tools
2016-02-05T17:44:47 < dongs> jlink and keil
2016-02-05T17:44:49 < dongs> it works there.
2016-02-05T17:44:55 < dongs> cant help with hacked up junk sorry :(
2016-02-05T17:45:03 < kakimir> fukken freelancer
2016-02-05T17:45:15 < kakimir> did it flush my quote down the toilet
2016-02-05T17:45:23 < dongs> for what
2016-02-05T17:45:23 < kakimir> I opened it for edit and its empty
2016-02-05T17:45:25 < dongs> that thing?
2016-02-05T17:45:35 < kakimir> I wrote a poem
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2016-02-05T17:48:35 < nullprobe> dongs, jlink and keil are too expensive for me
2016-02-05T17:48:53 < nullprobe> but never mind
2016-02-05T17:49:30 < upgrdman_> kakimir, dongs, well i made a new lpc breakout board and now it works. must have been a bad trace that i didnt catch.
2016-02-05T17:49:41 < dongs> ok
2016-02-05T17:49:57 < nullprobe> it was a dream to have trace on open source
2016-02-05T17:50:30 < dongs> nullprobe: http://www.sigrok.org/blog/new-protocol-decoders-arm-tpiu-itm-etmv3
2016-02-05T17:50:33 < dongs> good luck
2016-02-05T17:53:10 < nullprobe> dongs, thanks! I'll have a look
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2016-02-05T17:59:51 < kakimir> it ate my poem as I had email in it
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2016-02-05T18:08:20 < karlp> nullprobe: there's swo for stlink in openocd too.
2016-02-05T18:08:50 < kakimir> who controls ChanServ
2016-02-05T18:11:31 < kakimir> who is the wiseman who oversees this channel
2016-02-05T18:12:07 < kc2uez> ZANO 2.0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqncOP7OzMg
2016-02-05T18:12:37 < nullprobe> karlp, do you know how to use it? I didn't find it in the IDE
2016-02-05T18:13:03 < kakimir> freelancer.com has quite amount of projects compared to guru
2016-02-05T18:13:15 < kakimir> those things are like a stream
2016-02-05T18:14:17 < kakimir> all the shitte projects passing by
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2016-02-05T18:15:48 < karlp> nullprobe: in what ide? I said it's in openocd.
2016-02-05T18:16:36 < nullprobe> karlp, ac6 sw4stm32, I'm on windows, not sure if openocd is a Linux/Mac project only
2016-02-05T18:20:48 < nullprobe> karlp, sw4stm32 has a GDB-based debugger
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2016-02-05T19:18:09 < qyx> kakimir: ~2 hours in eagle maybe
2016-02-05T19:18:18 < qyx> where did you get 5 days?
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2016-02-05T19:24:32 < qyx> mhm, they are using an ac/dc smps module, I wonder how much power would that zero crossing circuit consume if they used a transformer for both zero crossing detection and circuit power supply
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2016-02-05T19:42:01 < kakimir> have you done any boards ever?
2016-02-05T19:42:11 < kakimir> + parts
2016-02-05T19:42:47 < kakimir> my guru says you must have your worst case and then pi it
2016-02-05T19:42:56 < kakimir> that is real time used
2016-02-05T19:44:13 < kakimir> http://strawpoll.me/6729550 some pro must topic this
2016-02-05T19:45:04 < kakimir> next we do poll maybe of EDAs
2016-02-05T19:45:33 < kakimir> anonymous poll tells the truth of kicad superiority
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2016-02-05T20:26:50 < qyx> kakimir: yes, I have, there are like 10 parts including decoupling caps
2016-02-05T20:27:18 < qyx> anyway, why do they need a zero crossing detector if they are using a triac driver with zero crossing detection?
2016-02-05T20:27:33 < kakimir> for adjustment?
2016-02-05T20:27:43 < kakimir> does it output eanything?
2016-02-05T20:27:51 < kakimir> logic output?
2016-02-05T20:28:01 < qyx> If they are going to regulate the output power, how would the triac driver behave?
2016-02-05T20:28:33 < qyx> I mean it will switch the triac at zero crossing and not when you want it to be switched
2016-02-05T20:28:47 < qyx> if I understand that correctly
2016-02-05T20:28:51 < kakimir> okay
2016-02-05T20:28:56 < kakimir> they are dumbass
2016-02-05T20:29:13 < kakimir> first it must be told to them
2016-02-05T20:29:21 < kakimir> then change parts
2016-02-05T20:30:08 < kakimir> I need to check myself how dumbass they are if I need to pull my quote out
2016-02-05T20:32:59 < kakimir> yes that is some sort of ON/OFF type that does change state only when zerocrossing
2016-02-05T20:33:19 < qyx> so no regulation possible
2016-02-05T20:33:26 < qyx> the whole ZC detection is useless then
2016-02-05T20:33:27 < kakimir> there is
2016-02-05T20:33:31 < kakimir> PWM
2016-02-05T20:33:35 < kakimir> or such
2016-02-05T20:33:39 < kakimir> just input that shiet
2016-02-05T20:33:47 < kakimir> and give no shiet
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2016-02-05T20:41:01 < kakimir> thanks qyx for heads up
2016-02-05T20:41:37 < kakimir> I made little poem for them about that detail and what options to do it there is
2016-02-05T20:41:51 < kakimir> to show profession
2016-02-05T20:44:14 < qyx> did you place a bid?
2016-02-05T20:44:32 < kakimir> 450 GBP for me
2016-02-05T20:44:34 < kakimir> yes
2016-02-05T20:44:40 < qyx> tss, no way for me then
2016-02-05T20:45:14 < kakimir> hah that is ridiculous amount of money for that project
2016-02-05T20:45:21 < kakimir> 585euros
2016-02-05T20:45:33 < kakimir> or is it?
2016-02-05T20:45:45 < kakimir> I don't have money so I don't know
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2016-02-05T20:53:27 < kakimir> race to bottom has begun
2016-02-05T20:53:37 < kakimir> 400GBP for me
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2016-02-05T21:03:43 < qyx> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Embedded-Software/Smart-street-lighting/
2016-02-05T21:03:44 < qyx> hah
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2016-02-05T21:04:32 < kakimir> good idea
2016-02-05T21:04:35 < kakimir> dumb people
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2016-02-05T21:06:15 < kakimir> that project is smart but it needs smart people and money
2016-02-05T21:07:41 < kakimir> is there some standard pinput for spi
2016-02-05T21:07:45 < kakimir> pinout
2016-02-05T21:10:48 < kakimir> maybe I just do avr isp connector
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2016-02-05T21:12:45 < kakimir> reset being CS
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2016-02-05T21:39:23 < kakimir> http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Documents/DataSheets/Cables/DS_TTL-232R_CABLES.pdf so in these cables TXD is output
2016-02-05T21:39:29 < kakimir> and RXD is input?
2016-02-05T21:39:48 < kakimir> my brain
2016-02-05T21:41:51 < kakimir> I need to triple quadrible check my rs232 breakout board
2016-02-05T21:42:05 < kakimir> I don't know what my assumption was
2016-02-05T21:42:18 < kakimir> but I based numbering and names to that cable
2016-02-05T21:44:44 < kakimir> it is also needed to mark input or output to pin
2016-02-05T21:45:09 < kakimir> txd or rxd doesn't have enough authority to say what is going where
2016-02-05T21:45:33 < kakimir> unless referred to say.. chip
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2016-02-05T21:54:03 < scrts> kakimir: TXD is out, RXD is in
2016-02-05T21:54:10 < scrts> always the case
2016-02-05T21:56:11 < kakimir> so when I do matching connector to board
2016-02-05T21:56:26 < kakimir> I connect mcu txd to place of connector rxd
2016-02-05T21:56:59 < kakimir> this creates the difficulty bcause connector has 2 sides
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2016-02-05T21:58:30 < kakimir> so the rule is that signal changes in the connector of 2 devices?
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2016-02-05T22:00:44 < kakimir> it's
2016-02-05T22:00:48 < kakimir> so hard
2016-02-05T22:01:17 < kakimir> there is so many places you can fail
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2016-02-05T22:06:27 < joeltxbx> @kakimir this is not that difficult
2016-02-05T22:06:38 < joeltxbx> TX and RX always reference the device
2016-02-05T22:07:17 < joeltxbx> MCU's TX hooks up to FTDI RX
2016-02-05T22:08:21 < kakimir> okay
2016-02-05T22:08:28 < kakimir> I think I have not failed it yet
2016-02-05T22:09:34 < kakimir> http://www.ultraedit.com/ have anyone used this?
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2016-02-05T22:15:59 < Steffanx> Looks like sublime text and co much kakimir
2016-02-05T22:16:10 < kakimir> I know
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2016-02-05T22:16:32 < kakimir> looks like same thing in less hipster brand
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2016-02-05T22:37:44 < Martin90> hmm is it possible to use mbed as a desktop standalone app (not online) ?
2016-02-05T22:39:21 < kakimir> nice I forgot mbed from poll
2016-02-05T22:39:39 < kakimir> oh but online shiet doesn't count anyways
2016-02-05T22:39:50 < Martin90> ;p
2016-02-05T22:40:22 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKUnVXZDhUMEFfdnM/view?usp=sharing there have been progress in project
2016-02-05T22:41:05 < kakimir> uart connection
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2016-02-05T23:03:21 < kakimir> is there any reason not to use highest frequency crystal that fits mcu?
2016-02-05T23:03:27 < kakimir> lets say 25
2016-02-05T23:03:34 < kakimir> instead of 12, 10 or anything
2016-02-05T23:05:29 < englishman> yes
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2016-02-05T23:07:11 < kakimir> price?
2016-02-05T23:08:34 < upgrdman_> anyone know of usb3 hubs that are like high quality? im tempted to say "professional" or "industrial" ... like more robust. polyfuses instead of fuses, legit input protection, etc. ?
2016-02-05T23:11:38 < inca> upgrdman_: I use anker with some success
2016-02-05T23:12:22 < upgrdman_> i have one of those $10 unpowered usb3 hubs from anker. i like it too. but i need a powered hub for work.
2016-02-05T23:12:52 < inca> I have the 7 port powered variant as well
2016-02-05T23:13:02 < inca> both have worked without issue
2016-02-05T23:13:17 < inca> gl!
2016-02-05T23:13:34 < Laurenceb_> sup trolls
2016-02-05T23:14:20 < upgrdman_> this looks nice, but i wonder about it's quality (aside from the nice case) http://www.amazon.com/Anker-Aluminum-13-Port-Charging-VL812-B2/dp/B00GSLMTQ8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1454706835&sr=8-1&keywords=13+port+usb3+hub
2016-02-05T23:14:56 < upgrdman_> is "via vl812-b2" supposed to be a good usb hub ic?
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2016-02-05T23:47:40 < bilboquet_> http://i.imgur.com/b9zuHuQ.jpg
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2016-02-05T23:48:07 < bilboquet_> for me it's a ggod job
2016-02-05T23:48:19 < bilboquet_> s/ggod/good
2016-02-05T23:49:51 < bilboquet_> even if a freelancer would cost me less !
2016-02-05T23:51:12 < inca> upgrdman_: I tend to try to avoid complexity for my dev setups =)
2016-02-05T23:51:19 < Laurenceb_> anyone know how these are supposed to be mounted?
2016-02-05T23:51:22 < Laurenceb_> http://mhconnectors.com/products/WaterResistantPCB90degreeD-Sub-SDB/HDB-SERIES/5%20-%20Waterproof%202010.pdf
2016-02-05T23:51:25 < upgrdman_> inca, ?
2016-02-05T23:51:48 < inca> upgrdman_: the larger hubs => more complex
2016-02-05T23:51:48 < Laurenceb_> does the rubber seal go against the bulkhead or the D-sub you plug it into?
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2016-02-05T23:55:24 < upgrdman_> inca, ? a 13-port hub is just a 4-port hubs, with 3 of it's ports going to addition 4-port hubs.
2016-02-05T23:55:54 < upgrdman_> other than a catastropic failure, it shouldnt be any less reliable then a 4-port hub
2016-02-05T23:56:04  * inca shrugs
2016-02-05T23:56:06 < upgrdman_> which is why im concerned about legit input protections
2016-02-05T23:56:18 < inca> more clocks, more EMI
2016-02-05T23:56:40 < upgrdman_> my belkin usb2 hub has 2 ports that don't work. they supply power fine, but no data gets through :/
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2016-02-06T00:25:41 < upgrdman_> "i wonder what'll happen if i leave the load caps off of my xtal? oh, instead of a sine wave, it looks like a shitty triangle wave."
2016-02-06T00:25:50 < upgrdman_> kinda neat actually
2016-02-06T00:25:56 < upgrdman_> PLL hates me though
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2016-02-06T00:37:34 < MightyPork> any1 tried programming off-board target with a Discovery board?
2016-02-06T00:37:38 < MightyPork> having difficulties
2016-02-06T00:37:49 < MightyPork> must manually press reset & release before program for it to work
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2016-02-06T00:38:03 < englishman> check the solder jumpers
2016-02-06T00:38:14 < englishman> on some you have to connect nrst
2016-02-06T00:38:18 < MightyPork> you mean the jumper isn't enoug?
2016-02-06T00:38:33 < englishman> the big jumpers are just for swclk and swdio
2016-02-06T00:38:36 < MightyPork> no rst is connected I think - I can reset my chip with the button
2016-02-06T00:39:00 < MightyPork> (button being on the discovery)
2016-02-06T00:43:03 < MightyPork> any ideas? (also it's reading garbage device ID if I don't press reset straight before st-flash)
2016-02-06T00:43:18 < MightyPork> 0xa05f0000
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2016-02-06T00:58:53 < MightyPork> ok more than anything, seems problem is communication randomly fails. could I have too long wires b/w the kit & my chip? (~ 10 cm)
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2016-02-06T01:03:55 < Martin90> MightyPork, rather no
2016-02-06T01:04:00 < Martin90> look for other issue
2016-02-06T01:05:21 < MightyPork> I probed it w/ a scope.. if it goes OK, it does some handshake with the chip and then sends a data packet. When it fails, it does something and then a few seconds keeps sending crap (pulses ~1 ms apart).. Other times it just doesn't do anything
2016-02-06T01:06:13 < Martin90> how noise is your env ?
2016-02-06T01:06:44 < Martin90> noisy*
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2016-02-06T01:07:32 < MightyPork> not much I think. Just laptop with a screen here
2016-02-06T01:08:02 < MightyPork> it works perfectly if I connect BOOT0 to Vdd, btw
2016-02-06T01:08:22 < MightyPork> but then it doesn't start, I have to undo it and replug the board to usb (it enters some weird mode)
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2016-02-06T01:10:06 < bilboquet_> is that the SWD resistors useful ? Occasionally I see it on schema.
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2016-02-06T01:14:07 < PeterM> karlp, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ter0p_iyIxk
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2016-02-06T01:19:15 < arko> has anyone here used the stm32f407 to read from a camera and write directly to an SD card without an intermediate RAM/buffer?
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2016-02-06T01:44:05 < Martin90> I am bit surprised that here on stm32 channel are only about 100 users...I thought stm32 is very popular ;]
2016-02-06T01:45:23 < Fleck> there is a reason for that
2016-02-06T01:45:39 < Martin90> Fleck, could you elaborate ? ;)
2016-02-06T01:46:55 < Fleck> mentally ill users in here...
2016-02-06T01:48:33 < Martin90> that's funny ;p where are those sane ones ?
2016-02-06T01:54:24  * Martin90 is not surprised at all - sex is more common than science...:P
2016-02-06T01:56:01 < Laurenceb_> not on irc
2016-02-06T01:59:33 < Steffanx> You are here for a reason, right Fleck?
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2016-02-06T02:03:46 < Steffanx> ##fgpa is no talk or semi-ontopic talk, so not much of a difference
2016-02-06T02:06:23 < Fleck> no Steffanx
2016-02-06T02:07:20 < Steffanx> dont tell me you are 100% ok/sane
2016-02-06T02:07:43 < Steffanx> (whatever that may be)
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2016-02-06T02:11:21 < Laurenceb_>  #stm32, where GNAA is sane
2016-02-06T02:14:45 < Steffanx> at least this is ##stm32
2016-02-06T02:15:02 < Steffanx> you made it "sane"
2016-02-06T02:15:19 < Steffanx> is Laurenceb_ still quietet?
2016-02-06T02:15:37 < Laurenceb_> well I'm Laurenceb_
2016-02-06T02:15:46 < Steffanx> but Laurenceb ?
2016-02-06T02:15:46 < Laurenceb_> but Laurenceb might be
2016-02-06T02:15:53 < Steffanx> ok
2016-02-06T02:16:00 < Laurenceb_> you trawl :P
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2016-02-06T02:18:19 < bilboquet_> I think that newbies are still somewhat sane !
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2016-02-06T02:21:45 < Laurenceb_> they havent caught ##stm32 itis yes
2016-02-06T02:23:16 < bilboquet_> they haven't smoked too much lead yet
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2016-02-06T02:29:06 < Fleck> I am not Steffanx
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2016-02-06T02:29:37 < kakimir> I am not beaky
2016-02-06T02:29:55 < kakimir> movie recommends?
2016-02-06T02:30:51 < kakimir> I have inhaled too much CO CO2 gasoline cleaner acetone and spray paint for a night
2016-02-06T02:31:13 < kakimir> to do anything but relax with a movie
2016-02-06T02:31:56 < kakimir> finnish quality porn is so bad
2016-02-06T02:32:30 < kakimir> usually some alcoholic couple or such have brilliant idea to start a porn career
2016-02-06T02:32:44 < kakimir> why not lets make millions
2016-02-06T02:32:46 < Laurenceb_> birdemic 2
2016-02-06T02:32:55 < kakimir> too brittish
2016-02-06T02:34:10 < upgrdman> kakimir, you were asking for pcb pic, i finally uploaded one. it's the big board on the left. works nicely. http://www.farrellf.com/temp/fpga_adc_mux_dac_mcu.jpg
2016-02-06T02:34:41 < kakimir> all this work
2016-02-06T02:34:50 < kakimir> to read not one.. but 2 potentiometers
2016-02-06T02:35:00 < upgrdman> the pcb that didnt work is in the upper-right area of the photo :)
2016-02-06T02:35:09 < upgrdman> kakimir, pots are just for quick testing
2016-02-06T02:35:24 < kakimir> :) that goes without mention
2016-02-06T02:35:42 < upgrdman> R2COM, indeed
2016-02-06T02:35:54 < kakimir> CERMET pots?
2016-02-06T02:36:09 < kakimir> doesn't look cheap crappens
2016-02-06T02:36:10 < upgrdman> bournes
2016-02-06T02:36:19 < kakimir> blue means bournes?
2016-02-06T02:36:38 < upgrdman> i dont think all of their pots are blue
2016-02-06T02:36:38 < kakimir> I have bournes cermets
2016-02-06T02:36:46 < kakimir> blue too
2016-02-06T02:37:02 < kakimir> those are quite pricy
2016-02-06T02:37:07 < upgrdman> these dont feel smooth tho
2016-02-06T02:37:13 < upgrdman> kinda feel like a variac
2016-02-06T02:37:24 < upgrdman> but they are OLD
2016-02-06T02:37:33 < upgrdman> prolly 90's era
2016-02-06T02:37:46 < upgrdman> new old stock, found them at work
2016-02-06T02:39:06 < kakimir> beats chinamen pots
2016-02-06T02:40:04 < upgrdman> ya, we don't usually cheap out on hardware. we sell shit that needs to be reliable, and it can be dangerous, so we don't buy shit from ebay.cn
2016-02-06T02:41:18 < kakimir> only ebay.hk
2016-02-06T02:47:37 < kakimir> brans surgery robot hand
2016-02-06T02:47:59 < kakimir> does little glitch time to time
2016-02-06T02:48:29 < kakimir> brain surgery is quite an alchemy stuff
2016-02-06T02:51:43 < kakimir> are you sure?
2016-02-06T02:53:26 < Rob235> can you make me an elixir?
2016-02-06T02:56:00 < kakimir> I need some elixir for my certain organ to work like killer
2016-02-06T02:56:01 < Rob235> thank you! it's what I've always wanted
2016-02-06T02:56:25 < Rob235> his vagina
2016-02-06T02:56:43 < kakimir> my inside out vagina
2016-02-06T02:56:44 < Rob235> he wants it to grow teeth
2016-02-06T02:56:58 < kakimir> :)
2016-02-06T02:57:31 < Rob235> make me an elixir to go into a trance and finish this drone so I can focus on school
2016-02-06T02:58:28 < Rob235> 3 months til graduation
2016-02-06T02:59:26 < Rob235> I don't think my gf would be too happy with that
2016-02-06T02:59:33 < kakimir> I have been hypnotized in irc once
2016-02-06T02:59:39 < kakimir> I think
2016-02-06T02:59:52 < kakimir> no
2016-02-06T02:59:58 < Rob235> I'm starting to really like this hardware stuff, maybe I should have gone the EE route
2016-02-06T03:00:42 < upgrdman> Rob235, what are you studying? african-american studies?
2016-02-06T03:00:50 < Rob235> comp sci
2016-02-06T03:01:21 < upgrdman> Rob235, i got a BS is comp sci, and work as an EE :)
2016-02-06T03:01:34 < Rob235> good to know
2016-02-06T03:02:06 < upgrdman> do some fun shit with mcus and fpgas, list in on your resume, talk about it during the interview.
2016-02-06T03:02:28 < upgrdman> R2COM, ? like making a processor in HDL?
2016-02-06T03:02:40 < upgrdman> i did a half-assed MIPS in school
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2016-02-06T03:03:00 < Rob235> That's why I started the hexacopter project (or at least how I justified spending the money on it). Will I get laughed at or is it advanced enough to help me out
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2016-02-06T03:03:27 < Rob235> getting a job
2016-02-06T03:03:30 < Rob235> putting it on my resume
2016-02-06T03:03:31 < arko> is anyone here familiar with the OpenMV?
2016-02-06T03:03:48 < Rob235> no but it shows I can code and complete a fairly big project
2016-02-06T03:04:03 < Rob235> any coding job
2016-02-06T03:04:36 < upgrdman> Rob235, if you get it working, and your code and pcb's aren't shit, ya it should help a lot
2016-02-06T03:04:54 < Rob235> thats what I was hoping, I think it helps me to stand out too
2016-02-06T03:05:05 < kakimir> they need to add safety nets around office campuses that have dozens of drone startups in them
2016-02-06T03:05:26 < upgrdman> i spent like 30% of my interview talking about this little fucker i made: http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-05-18_Balancing_Robot/robot_finished.jpg
2016-02-06T03:05:40 < kakimir> as coders and project leaders try to fly when drone doesn't
2016-02-06T03:05:53 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vorp22PlDmE
2016-02-06T03:06:26 < dongs> job as dong maker
2016-02-06T03:06:51 < upgrdman> R2COM, dongs http://imgur.com/QC84FtB
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2016-02-06T03:12:10 < kakimir> http://strawpoll.me/6729550 everybody get anoyed of options and then vote
2016-02-06T03:14:45 < kakimir> o/ approved!
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2016-02-06T03:19:05 < upgrdman> netbeans has support for arm?
2016-02-06T03:19:29 < upgrdman> or is it just like you code in c/c++ and provide the other tools yourself?
2016-02-06T03:20:19 < kakimir> http://false.ekta.is/2012/05/using-netbeans-for-stm32-development-with-stlink-texane/
2016-02-06T03:26:33 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXcLy52pH2Q
2016-02-06T03:28:48 < kakimir> I need 60-70volt VIN buck that works without diode and has high efficiency
2016-02-06T03:28:53 < kakimir> recommends?
2016-02-06T03:29:52 < kakimir> wrestling ruined for you?
2016-02-06T03:30:00 < kakimir> now you see...
2016-02-06T03:30:03 < kakimir> it's homo
2016-02-06T03:35:54 < kakimir> there was 2 russian kickboxers in army
2016-02-06T03:36:19 < kakimir> yes
2016-02-06T03:36:54 < kakimir> that is what it looks like when me or you do that sack
2016-02-06T03:37:37 < kakimir> you do sack?
2016-02-06T03:37:50 < kakimir> are you kickboxer?
2016-02-06T03:40:29 < kakimir> those guys I didnt want to mess with.. both had lethal punch and a bit of temper
2016-02-06T03:40:54 < kakimir> I mean that sack was airborne in moment the punch was delivered
2016-02-06T03:40:54 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Mobile-Phone/edge-says-Not-Registered-network/
2016-02-06T03:41:00 < dongs> wahgt exactly does he expect someone to do
2016-02-06T03:41:09 < dongs> for $388 he wants to pay for ?? he can just get a new phone, lol
2016-02-06T03:42:18 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Footprint-Layout-Routing/ oh this guy is back
2016-02-06T03:42:22 < dongs> with nastyblue schematics
2016-02-06T03:42:26 < dongs> SMATFONE
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2016-02-06T03:44:11 < kakimir> dongs: you forget to work when you follow that stream of mindlessness
2016-02-06T03:44:17 < dongs> true
2016-02-06T03:44:19 < dongs> im working right now tho
2016-02-06T03:44:21 < dongs> dicknplacing stuff
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2016-02-06T03:44:28 < dongs> just waiting on oven for 1st board so I can confirm its not fail
2016-02-06T03:44:44 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/88cY6zg.gifv
2016-02-06T03:44:49 < kakimir> you mean your machine works and you watch your machine work and irc while it does?
2016-02-06T03:44:57 < dongs> yes
2016-02-06T03:45:03 < dongs> also upgrdman old as fuck
2016-02-06T03:45:07 < upgrdman> k
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2016-02-06T03:51:07 < emeb_mac> R2COM: Yeah - that's an annoying area.
2016-02-06T03:51:17 < emeb_mac> I used to live up near Andover.
2016-02-06T03:51:50 < emeb_mac> yep - Northeast winters suck hard.
2016-02-06T03:52:19 < kakimir> i have been in boston
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2016-02-06T04:03:35 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXS9IZnvzPI
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2016-02-06T05:18:11 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lLclBfKj48 musicspams
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2016-02-06T05:19:53 < fenugrec> oh huh. I knew BJTs were the "fastest acting fuse known to man", but I didn't think this was possible -- I did a "drop shortcircuit" for a fraction of a second on a USB-powered thing, and a BJT on there had time to selfdestruct (with blown plastic and white powder on die) without affecting the rest of the board. I think.
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2016-02-06T06:05:39 < dongs> nice
2016-02-06T06:05:43 < dongs> reversed magnetics work
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2016-02-06T06:15:15 < upgrdman> dongs, ethernet magnetics?
2016-02-06T06:15:25 < dongs> yes
2016-02-06T06:15:32 < dongs> i swapped +/- for routing easiness
2016-02-06T06:15:32 < upgrdman> any idea if ethernet uses 1:1 transformers?
2016-02-06T06:15:39 < dongs> yes apparently it does
2016-02-06T06:15:49 < dongs> based on some ancient hanrun part im using
2016-02-06T06:15:53 < dongs> but theyre all same pinout
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2016-02-06T06:29:40 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLHL75H_VEM&feature=share
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2016-02-06T06:52:55 < upgrdman> http://brandonmkelley.com/res/images/wreckage.png
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2016-02-06T07:35:45 < wbraun> anyone dealt with STM32 USB before?
2016-02-06T07:35:58 < wbraun> I just need to use the virtual comm port.
2016-02-06T07:36:38 < wbraun> The whole STM32 had a unified virtual com port driver right? Right now I am looking at using the STM32f072 because DFU and crystal-less USB
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2016-02-06T08:50:59 < dongs> yea
2016-02-06T08:51:07 < dongs> it just works if you use cube
2016-02-06T08:59:36 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Find-inexpensive-Analyzer/ haha
2016-02-06T08:59:48 < dongs> I need an electronics engineer to find me a very inexpensive RF Analyzer that reads and Graphs; Frequencies, SWR, Impedance, Etc from at least 100 KHZ up to at least 1.7 GHZ.
2016-02-06T08:59:51 < dongs> The price of the RF Analyzer must be around $150 or less.
2016-02-06T08:59:54 < dongs> I prefer new equipment.
2016-02-06T09:00:01 < dongs> i thikn heforgot a couple extra zeros at the end
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2016-02-06T09:43:33 < dongs> ahahahah
2016-02-06T09:43:34 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/PCB-Design-fix/
2016-02-06T09:43:39 < dongs> indian relisted the PCB design job
2016-02-06T09:43:46 < dongs> the 1layer thing
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2016-02-06T12:11:26 < qyx> there were ~13*13mm patch antennas on ebay once
2016-02-06T12:11:29 < qyx> I cannot find them anymore
2016-02-06T12:11:46 < qyx> the smallest are 25*25mm
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2016-02-06T12:44:27 < dongs> gps?
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2016-02-06T13:09:57 < qyx> yes
2016-02-06T13:11:03 < qyx> http://www.alphamicro.net/franchises/amc/amc-antgpscp13x4-11.aspx
2016-02-06T13:11:04 < qyx> like this
2016-02-06T13:17:45 < qyx> ok, 15x15mm found
2016-02-06T13:24:18 < kakimir> dongs: now that is just stupid
2016-02-06T13:24:50 < kakimir> propably nobody did cheap enought
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2016-02-06T13:30:03 < kakimir> prototype by tomorrow morning in india?
2016-02-06T13:33:08 < kakimir> schedule is not for normal people
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2016-02-06T13:42:55 < kakimir> entry for rockstars has begun
2016-02-06T13:50:09 < ReadError> Laurenceb boop
2016-02-06T13:50:11 < ReadError> Laurenceb_ boop
2016-02-06T13:53:34 < kakimir> dongs: or did some indian get the job and now try to find someone to actualize it?
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2016-02-06T13:54:29 < dongs> im thinking that yes
2016-02-06T13:54:48 < dongs> ive already seen a couple like this
2016-02-06T13:54:53 < dongs> just copypasted but posted by indian
2016-02-06T13:55:00 < dongs> instead of original user
2016-02-06T13:56:32 < kakimir> next question is if there is such freelance forums without indians
2016-02-06T13:57:42 < kakimir> why is ld1117 used instead of 78L05 ?
2016-02-06T13:57:59 < kakimir> ld needs 10uF output
2016-02-06T13:58:04 < kakimir> ams needs 22uF output
2016-02-06T13:58:21 < kakimir> that is ridiculous.. switching regulators do not even need that
2016-02-06T14:00:23 < jpa-> yeah, that's like.. 10 cents and 0805?
2016-02-06T14:00:50 < jpa-> old ldos are funny anyway
2016-02-06T14:00:58 < jpa-> and 1117 is indeed pretty shitty
2016-02-06T14:02:29 < ReadError> damn I need Laurenceb / Laurenceb_ and hes not around trolling
2016-02-06T14:02:34 < ReadError> what are the odds
2016-02-06T14:05:45 < kakimir> jpa-: what do you recommend?
2016-02-06T14:05:53 < kakimir> oh well
2016-02-06T14:06:07 < kakimir> I have LD1117 in my shelf and not one 78L05
2016-02-06T14:06:18 < jpa-> not like it matters
2016-02-06T14:06:39 < kakimir> quescent current matters btw. need to take look at that
2016-02-06T14:06:41 < jpa-> and when it matters, you pick based on requirements and not some random "what is the best ldo?? luls"
2016-02-06T14:06:52 < jpa-> then neither of those is your friend
2016-02-06T14:08:25 < kakimir> ld1117 - 5mA - 10mA
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2016-02-06T14:08:43 < kakimir> that is not futureproof
2016-02-06T14:09:46 < kakimir> 78l05 3mA - 5mA
2016-02-06T14:12:22 < kakimir> that is not future proof nether
2016-02-06T14:16:07 < jpa-> future proof?
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2016-02-06T14:20:10 < kakimir> something that can be widelly deployed cross the industry
2016-02-06T14:21:09 < kakimir> things are going low power - high efficiency - battery powered
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2016-02-06T14:28:48 < jpa-> heh
2016-02-06T14:29:14 < jpa-> there are no "one size fits all" solutions
2016-02-06T14:29:29 < jpa-> 1117 seems to be more used in the "nothing matters except price" crap
2016-02-06T14:32:14 < kakimir> yes
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2016-02-06T15:45:23 < Laurenceb_> ReadError: wut  ?
2016-02-06T15:46:14 < jpa-> he wants to clone your stuff
2016-02-06T16:01:55 < PeterM> at what point are you too far behind in scrollback that you should jsut give up and read from now?
2016-02-06T16:02:55 < jpa-> 5 lines?
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2016-02-06T16:05:29 < PeterM> jpa-, really? only 5 lines?
2016-02-06T16:07:06 < jpa-> well you can go 10 if zyp is talking
2016-02-06T16:07:33 < PeterM> does this include [01:04] *** DanteA quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)
2016-02-06T16:07:44 < jpa-> your choice
2016-02-06T16:35:56 < ReadError> jpa- false, im innovating so hard I need a PhD
2016-02-06T16:41:07 < jpa-> ah, so you'll clone lb's phd?
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2016-02-06T16:46:09 < ReadError> nah i needed to scrap up enough residue from his brain to get a small line to snort
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2016-02-06T17:22:07 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNlo1SFY3MXJDT1k/view?usp=sharing it's getting there
2016-02-06T17:22:31 < kakimir> I need to fit 12volt buck for fan
2016-02-06T17:22:34 < kakimir> and
2016-02-06T17:22:43 < kakimir> that mux under the drawing
2016-02-06T17:22:59 < dongs> not only kikecad
2016-02-06T17:23:03 < dongs> LOCALIZED kikecad
2016-02-06T17:23:05 < dongs> fuck
2016-02-06T17:23:08 < dongs> how do you even compute
2016-02-06T17:23:12 < dongs> when everything is in some shitty langauge
2016-02-06T17:23:34 < kakimir> shitty localization
2016-02-06T17:23:39 < kakimir> partially english
2016-02-06T17:24:36 < kakimir> what do you think of level of density
2016-02-06T17:24:49 < kakimir> it will be snugly fitted
2016-02-06T17:24:50 < dongs> i think it sucks that kikecad doesnt have multi-sheet schematics
2016-02-06T17:25:03 < kakimir> I think it does have something like that
2016-02-06T17:25:27 < kakimir> buttons in hte right panel
2016-02-06T17:25:35 < kakimir> create hierarchial sheet
2016-02-06T17:25:40 < kakimir> ?
2016-02-06T17:26:08 < kakimir> this is such a little project that I wouldn't bother to figure it out
2016-02-06T17:26:47 < dongs> not hierarchical.
2016-02-06T17:27:14 < kakimir> this is such a little project that I wouldn't bother to figure it out+
2016-02-06T17:27:16 < kakimir> ...
2016-02-06T17:27:20 < kakimir> that is junk?
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2016-02-06T17:35:47 < dongs> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1925
2016-02-06T17:35:58 < dongs> It is always possible to aglutenate multiple separate problems into a single complex interdependent solution. In most cases this is a bad idea.
2016-02-06T17:36:01 < dongs> this is g reat.
2016-02-06T17:36:05 < englishman> hierarchical sheets in kikecad is weird
2016-02-06T17:36:12 < englishman> you ahve to right click to descend and stuff
2016-02-06T17:36:17 < englishman> instead of windows style file tree
2016-02-06T17:36:20 < englishman> which works and makes sense
2016-02-06T17:36:37 < zyp> wat
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2016-02-06T17:38:09 < Mikk36> (dongs) i think it sucks that kikecad doesnt have multi-sheet schematics <-- it definitely does support having multiple sheets of schematic
2016-02-06T17:39:13 < Mikk36> Indeed, might be a bit weird to set up, but it's still possible to do
2016-02-06T17:41:07 < kakimir> when you get a free tool there is a limit how much you can critisise its way
2016-02-06T17:41:32 < dongs> not at all
2016-02-06T17:41:38 < dongs> its free so it will always suck
2016-02-06T17:41:59 < kakimir> you csn make a less sucky fork
2016-02-06T17:42:09 < kakimir> nobodi stopping
2016-02-06T17:42:52 < artag> it only sucks as long as you don't stop it sucking
2016-02-06T17:43:12 < artag> with paytard stuff you have to beg the sellers
2016-02-06T17:46:42 < Mikk36> http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/en/eeschema.html#flat-hierarchy
2016-02-06T17:47:05 < Mikk36> That what you were thinking of, dongs?
2016-02-06T17:47:16 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-06T17:47:29 < dongs> man
2016-02-06T17:47:32 < dongs> like 2130423487 steps
2016-02-06T17:47:34 < dongs> instead of just
2016-02-06T17:47:38 < dongs> ":make new sheet, done"
2016-02-06T17:50:41 < emeb_mac> everything is awful
2016-02-06T17:52:31 < jpa-> dongs: not really, it's just very poorly written
2016-02-06T17:52:51 < jpa-> but it is more like just "make hierarchical schema with one level to fake new pages"
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2016-02-06T18:09:22 < kakimir> EDAs are all awful
2016-02-06T18:17:45 < Rob235_> should I use super glue or double sided tape to stick led strips under the carbon fiber arms? I'm thinking super glue just because double sided tape is so thick
2016-02-06T18:20:25 < Mikk36> Suirely not all doublesided tapes are not the same thickness?
2016-02-06T18:20:33 < Mikk36> Surely*
2016-02-06T18:21:29 < Rob235_> I guess that's true, I've only seen the pretty thick stuff though, except for like scotch tape which wouldn't be strong enough
2016-02-06T18:21:39 < Rob235_> I'll look online
2016-02-06T18:23:41 < artag> there's usually the choice of foam-sandwich double sided tape and non-foam with just a polyester film
2016-02-06T18:24:30 < jpa-> Rob235_: well, if you are fine with permanent, either silicone or cyanoacrylate are fine
2016-02-06T18:24:32 < artag> the best stuff is sold for fitting car trim. it's really strong, and has enough thickness to take up surface grain with being foam.
2016-02-06T18:24:55 < artag> *without being foam
2016-02-06T18:25:38 < artag> you can also get led strips with sticky tape already fitted
2016-02-06T18:26:01 < jpa-> that tape is really crappy, though
2016-02-06T18:26:02 < Rob235_> acetone can take off CA right? will it mess up carbon fiber?
2016-02-06T18:26:36 < jpa-> it could, depending on what binder the carbon fiber is made with
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2016-02-06T18:27:57 < Rob235_> nothing is easy.. i'll look into the tape, if an led strip dies or something it would be nice to be able to replace it :)
2016-02-06T18:29:02 < jpa-> i'd probably just cut a few rings of heatshrink tube and use those at intervals to hold it
2016-02-06T18:29:45 < Rob235_> thats what I have now and I don't like it, its ugly
2016-02-06T18:33:04 < mitrax_> karlp: was it you who used ISL83483?
2016-02-06T18:33:20 < Rob235_> I'm about to rewire the whole drone because it's not clean enough :) I'm a little obsessive
2016-02-06T18:35:55 < Rob235_> http://imgur.com/a/tiVmU first picture, theres heatshrink on the ends of each arm, I didn't shrink it yet although its basically as tight as it will get on the motor mounts.  its really not that bad but id rather not have it
2016-02-06T18:38:27 < jpa-> looks reasonable to me
2016-02-06T18:38:33 < qyx> much wires
2016-02-06T18:38:52 < jpa-> you should put a wireless link to each motor
2016-02-06T18:39:00 < jpa-> they could make their own nice little mesh network there
2016-02-06T18:39:06 < Rob235_> I want to solder the ESCs to the motors directly so that they aren't taking up so much space in the tubes
2016-02-06T18:40:09 < Rob235_> and put the led strip wires through the tube (wouldn't fit how it is) so that they aren't in the way of the arms snapping into place
2016-02-06T18:40:20 < dongs> Rob235_: bzzzzzt
2016-02-06T18:40:25 < dongs> long battery wires to esc = bad
2016-02-06T18:40:31 < dongs> also long motor->esc wires = also bad
2016-02-06T18:40:36 < dongs> youre fukt either way
2016-02-06T18:40:49 < jpa-> that's why i said to make it wireless
2016-02-06T18:40:50 < jpa-> like zano
2016-02-06T18:42:20 < Rob235_> how can you not have long wires from battery to esc, whats this wireless stuff you're talking about, I'm sure most people have wires going from battery to end of arms
2016-02-06T18:42:32 < dongs> nope
2016-02-06T18:44:22 < Rob235_> so whats this wireless link?
2016-02-06T18:44:45 < dongs> inductive charging for your esc
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2016-02-06T18:47:10 < zyp> ESC close to motor is probably better than ESC close to battery
2016-02-06T18:47:20 < zyp> since there's a cap at the ESC anyway
2016-02-06T18:47:23 < Rob235_> dongs: link or it didn't happen
2016-02-06T18:47:27 < zyp> better to get the cap close to the load
2016-02-06T18:48:15 < jpa-> and i don't think ESC should be that bothered by small dips in voltage anyway
2016-02-06T18:48:55 < zyp> nah, not as long as vcc is properly decoupled
2016-02-06T18:50:24 < Rob235_> is it worth twisting the wires down the tube or will that just add unnecessary length
2016-02-06T18:51:17 < jpa-> theoretically it could reduce the noise, which could increase radio range.. but hard to say how much
2016-02-06T18:51:25 < qyx> are you going to EMC certify it?
2016-02-06T18:51:34 < dongs> haha
2016-02-06T18:51:37 < Rob235_> :) no
2016-02-06T18:51:40 < jpa-> i was going to post the snarky qyx-line
2016-02-06T18:51:44 < dongs> one-off EMC certified dongcopter
2016-02-06T18:51:56 < jpa-> but then i thought about the radio receiver so it might actually matter
2016-02-06T18:52:27 < qyx> seems reasonable
2016-02-06T18:52:40 < jpa-> but probably pretty small effect
2016-02-06T18:52:43 < qyx> and I would place ESCs near the motors too
2016-02-06T18:52:51 < Rob235_> ESCs are right under the motors
2016-02-06T18:52:53 < jpa-> easily offset by turning the transmitter up to 111
2016-02-06T18:52:56 < qyx> because of better cooling and less wires
2016-02-06T18:53:16 < qyx> and the cap thing
2016-02-06T19:07:11 < qyx> any recommendation for low Iq 3V LDO?
2016-02-06T19:07:42 < qyx> for LiPo powered stm32 in power-down mode
2016-02-06T19:08:18 < qyx> or how do you solve this?
2016-02-06T19:08:42 < jpa-> 1. go to digikey 2. parametric search
2016-02-06T19:08:46 < qyx> uh oh
2016-02-06T19:08:52 < dongs> 0.065mA is low?
2016-02-06T19:09:12 < dongs> http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=NCP4681
2016-02-06T19:09:23 < qyx> no, I have ncl700b, which is 0.070mA
2016-02-06T19:09:28 < dongs> Tiny 0.8 mm x 0.8 mm x 0.4 mm xDFN package
2016-02-06T19:09:29 < dongs> loool
2016-02-06T19:09:38 < qyx> lol
2016-02-06T19:09:43 < dongs> how hte fuck
2016-02-06T19:09:45 < dongs> do you even see that
2016-02-06T19:09:55 < dongs> "is that a piece of dust or a LDO"
2016-02-06T19:11:09 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/tps783
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2016-02-06T19:11:22 < jpa-> "is that a LDO in your pants or are you just happy to see me?"
2016-02-06T19:11:47 < dongs> hey
2016-02-06T19:11:48 < dongs> that last TI one
2016-02-06T19:11:51 < dongs> is standard LDO pinout
2016-02-06T19:12:00 < qyx> 0.5uA?
2016-02-06T19:12:00 < dongs> thats shared by like 2389723478 of them
2016-02-06T19:12:01 < qyx> mhm
2016-02-06T19:12:11 < Teeed> expensive
2016-02-06T19:12:23 < Teeed> very big money
2016-02-06T19:12:26 < Teeed> wow
2016-02-06T19:12:39 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/TPS78330DDCR/296-25880-1-ND/2242328
2016-02-06T19:12:39 < dongs> wat
2016-02-06T19:12:45 < dongs> like 90c on digikey
2016-02-06T19:12:49 < dongs> sounds noraml for a one-off ldo?
2016-02-06T19:13:07 < Teeed> mmm not so bad
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2016-02-06T19:14:49 < kakimir> looking for low queiscent current stuff I see
2016-02-06T19:15:13 < kakimir> there is nanopower ones too
2016-02-06T19:16:31 < dongs> qyx, which freelancer is that for
2016-02-06T19:17:07 < kakimir> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/20005158d.pdf 20nA
2016-02-06T19:17:26 < kakimir> are they even shitting with this number?
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2016-02-06T19:21:21 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2016-02-06T19:21:44 < Laurenceb_> I need low quiescent current for dataloggers
2016-02-06T19:21:53 < Laurenceb_> use LTC1844 atm
2016-02-06T19:22:09 < Laurenceb_> the very low current stuff tend to regulate more poorly
2016-02-06T19:23:35 < kakimir> obiviously
2016-02-06T19:24:09 < kakimir> but what do you care in datalogger
2016-02-06T19:24:27 < Laurenceb_> it tends to screw the performance up
2016-02-06T19:24:27 < kakimir> some 5% here and there
2016-02-06T19:24:30 < Laurenceb_> lol
2016-02-06T19:24:40 < Laurenceb_> yeah I need to redesign with more rails
2016-02-06T19:24:43 < dongs> he datalogs the converted voltage
2016-02-06T19:24:46 < kakimir> have big caps
2016-02-06T19:24:55 < kakimir> okay
2016-02-06T19:25:02 < kakimir> datalog only digital
2016-02-06T19:25:04 < Laurenceb_> atm I have 6 rails, looks like I need even more :P
2016-02-06T19:25:20 < kakimir> why not have seperate reference source?
2016-02-06T19:25:26 < kakimir> lite it up when needed
2016-02-06T19:25:30 < Laurenceb_> analogue is on its own rail, but stuff tend to crosstalk
2016-02-06T19:25:35 < kakimir> shut it down when you are done
2016-02-06T19:25:35 < Laurenceb_> I'm not sure wtf is going on
2016-02-06T19:25:52 < Laurenceb_> but poor regs on the digital tend to decrease performance about 5% on the ADC
2016-02-06T19:26:09 < kakimir> okay
2016-02-06T19:26:15 < Laurenceb_> probably capacitive coupling and stuff on the die
2016-02-06T19:26:19 < kakimir> let me tell
2016-02-06T19:26:34 < kakimir> use under 3v3 ldo with ultra low power
2016-02-06T19:26:53 < Laurenceb_> yeah then disable it when under full power
2016-02-06T19:27:06 < kakimir> switch high accuracy reference with mcu to it
2016-02-06T19:27:08 < Laurenceb_> I did have a board that ran along those lines, then I simplified the design
2016-02-06T19:27:11 < Laurenceb_> doh :D
2016-02-06T19:27:22 < kakimir> to 3v3 voltage
2016-02-06T19:27:30 < Laurenceb_> I thought poor digital regulation didnt matter, I was wrong
2016-02-06T19:28:06 < kakimir> there is btw 17uA buck regulators
2016-02-06T19:28:21 < kakimir> input range all way to 17volts
2016-02-06T19:28:32 < Laurenceb_> yeah but I run off single lipo
2016-02-06T19:28:52 < kakimir> no gain then
2016-02-06T19:29:01 < Laurenceb_> so ltc1844 lets me run down to 3.4v, so ~95% of battery capacity used
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2016-02-06T19:30:36 < kakimir> has uvlo?
2016-02-06T19:30:49 < Laurenceb_> huh?
2016-02-06T19:30:54 < Laurenceb_> wht us uvlo?
2016-02-06T19:30:59 < Laurenceb_> *is
2016-02-06T19:31:11 < kakimir> undervoltage lockout
2016-02-06T19:31:23 < Laurenceb_> yeah thats built into the cell, needed for CE
2016-02-06T19:31:34 < Laurenceb_> at 3.1v or something
2016-02-06T19:31:43 < Laurenceb_> I have software shutdown at 3.4v
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2016-02-06T20:46:57 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/gallery/xTQzTXK
2016-02-06T20:49:22 < upgrdman> lol  https://gfycat.com/SmoggyInsignificantAfricanrockpython
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2016-02-06T20:53:45 < upgrdman> also good http://i.imgur.com/oyXRass.gifv
2016-02-06T20:56:39 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/gallery/KHjdf
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2016-02-06T22:13:32 < Deskwizard> 0/ everyone
2016-02-06T22:14:21 < Deskwizard> quick question about the stm32, is the IO realtime like on 32bits pics for example, or are they not realtime like an arm mcu ?
2016-02-06T22:16:37 < qyx> realtime?
2016-02-06T22:18:25 < Deskwizard> qyx: basically, the arm mcu often run an os, which could wreak havoc on timing on gpio if you require actual perfect timing and not just "change it when you get to it"
2016-02-06T22:19:00 < Deskwizard> im assuming the stm32 doesnt work like that, and is more akin to 8-bits microcontrollers as for GPIO accesses, correct ?
2016-02-06T22:19:07 < Deskwizard> not sure if that makes any sense
2016-02-06T22:19:37 < qyx> as you said, it depends on the OS
2016-02-06T22:20:13 < Deskwizard> aight, that pretty much explains it, thanks :)
2016-02-06T22:20:27 < qyx> despite the fact that stm32 can run non-realtime OS, it is rarely done
2016-02-06T22:20:37 < qyx> actually I haven't seen that before
2016-02-06T22:21:07 < Deskwizard> qyx: Ah okay, perfect :)
2016-02-06T22:21:17 < Deskwizard> I wouldnt have thought so, wanted to make sure :)
2016-02-06T22:21:18 < qyx> I heard about some uc-linux and bsd flavours which have been run on stm32, but meh
2016-02-06T22:21:21 < qyx> who would do that anyway
2016-02-06T22:21:27 < Deskwizard> exactly
2016-02-06T22:21:38 < Deskwizard> qyx: thanks a lot, I think I'll hang out here ;)
2016-02-06T22:23:04 < qyx> but yes, if you read something from GPIO registers, the value will reflect the actual GPIO state
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2016-02-06T22:38:16 < PaulFertser> qyx: are you sure stm32 has a single-cycle gpio periph?
2016-02-06T22:39:02 < Deskwizard> PaulFertser: from another discussion somewhere else, it seems gpio is 2 cycle
2016-02-06T22:39:12 < qyx> PaulFertser: actually not
2016-02-06T22:40:44 < qyx> but for the purpose of the discussion I assumed it is "realtime enough"
2016-02-06T22:40:57 < PaulFertser> Deskwizard: I'm not sure but I wouldn't be surprised if it might get occassionally delayed even more by DMA.
2016-02-06T22:41:16 < Deskwizard> PaulFertser: yeah we got to the same conclusion on "the other side" ;)
2016-02-06T22:42:03 < PaulFertser> There're some real stm32 experts here, better wait for their answer.
2016-02-06T22:43:25 < PaulFertser> Deskwizard: I've heard kinetis is better for bitbanging.
2016-02-06T22:44:00 < Deskwizard> PaulFertser: aight, thank you :) We we're just wondering since I keep hearing about how great the stm32 is hehe
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2016-02-06T22:44:40 < PaulFertser> Deskwizard: stm32 is great, that's no doubt. Bitbanging is rarely useful and stm32's peripherals are fine (mostly).
2016-02-06T22:45:22 < upgrdman> R2COM, nsfw but lolwut  https://gfycat.com/HonorableSkinnyIncatern
2016-02-06T22:45:24 < Deskwizard> PaulFertser: yeah I thought that as well, it's not like I have any high speed requirements or anything like that
2016-02-06T22:46:02 < Deskwizard> upgrdman: lmfao
2016-02-06T22:46:10 < upgrdman> :)
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2016-02-06T22:46:38 < PaulFertser> Deskwizard: it's interesting how https://github.com/lemcu/LemcUSB needs efm32 running on 24mhz while obdev's usb stack works on avr with 12mhz.
2016-02-06T22:47:00 < Deskwizard> PaulFertser: Indeed :)
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2016-02-06T22:47:40 < Deskwizard> PaulFertser: you're just that good or you saw me mention vusb elsewhere? :P~
2016-02-06T22:48:31 < PaulFertser> Deskwizard: I just think of vusb every time I think of bitbanging complex protocols.
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2016-02-06T22:48:55 < Deskwizard> hehehe okay ;) might have something to do with avr being single clock instructions perhaps
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2016-02-06T23:42:46 < kakimir> hello sexuals
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2016-02-07T01:15:24 < kakimir> I wonder if I should use ferrites in i2c and spi bus when it leaves the board
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2016-02-07T02:17:57 < Laurenceb_> yo pros
2016-02-07T02:17:58 < Laurenceb_> http://mhconnectors.com/products/WaterResistantPCB90degreeD-Sub-SDB/HDB-SERIES/5%20-%20Waterproof%202010.pdf
2016-02-07T02:18:12 < Laurenceb_> is the seal meant to seal against the case or the connector?
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2016-02-07T02:54:39 < kakimir> https://imgur.com/gallery/Jd4Mr these picture collections
2016-02-07T02:54:43 < kakimir> sweet
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2016-02-07T03:09:57 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgur.com/HNUmA0P.jpg
2016-02-07T03:13:15 < kakimir> first it was kings and tsars, people in suits and dresses, boys wearing that sailor thing
2016-02-07T03:13:48 < kakimir> proud people
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2016-02-07T03:17:36 < kakimir> http://i.imgur.com/9Eu6ziy.jpg reminds me of that bioshock game
2016-02-07T03:28:30 < kakimir> http://i.imgur.com/OiLGesA.jpg
2016-02-07T03:36:41 < kakimir> https://imgur.com/gallery/B50LF epaper + piezo driven ring GO
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2016-02-07T05:26:27 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/b2S5J7b
2016-02-07T05:32:43 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/QijU6xt.jpg
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2016-02-07T07:52:10 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/Allegro-PCB-File-update-day/ sup R2COM
2016-02-07T07:53:07 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/8geoeLd.jpg
2016-02-07T07:53:08 < dongs> ahaha
2016-02-07T07:56:51 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1703258614/psdr-pocket-hf-sdr-transceiver-with-vna-and-gps/posts/1478934
2016-02-07T07:56:51 < PaulFertser> Deskwizard: qyx: https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/cortex_mx_stm32/Flat.aspx?RootFolder=https%3a%2f%2fmy.st.com%2fpublic%2fSTe2ecommunities%2fmcu%2fLists%2fcortex_mx_stm32%2fWhy%20is%20DMA%20reducing%20my%20pulse%20width&FolderCTID=0x01200200770978C69A1141439FE559EB459D7580009C4E14902C3CDE46A77F0FFD06506F5B
2016-02-07T08:05:27 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Android/Hardware-Engineers-Part-Something/
2016-02-07T08:05:41 < dongs> fucking ST forums and retarded urls
2016-02-07T08:07:40 < dongs> clive always lays down teh law
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2016-02-07T08:20:14 < PeterM> clive1, the hero st forums need and the hero they deserve
2016-02-07T08:30:10 < PaulFertser> Now we can actually learn about clive1 himself: https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/cortex_mx_stm32/Flat.aspx?RootFolder=https%3a%2f%2fmy.st.com%2fpublic%2fSTe2ecommunities%2fmcu%2fLists%2fcortex_mx_stm32%2fClive1%20Podcast%20%40embedded.fm&FolderCTID=0x01200200770978C69A1141439FE559EB459D7580009C4E14902C3CDE46A77F0FFD06506F5B&currentviews=254
2016-02-07T08:30:20 < dongs> ya old
2016-02-07T08:30:23 < dongs> this was tweeted in here a month ago
2016-02-07T08:35:36 < dongs> i never did get past ghte first like 5 minutes of it
2016-02-07T08:35:43 < dongs> i fucking hate podcasts
2016-02-07T08:35:50 < dongs> its a f ucking mp3 on a webserver
2016-02-07T08:35:55 < dongs> fuck all this newfag name shit
2016-02-07T08:37:18 < PaulFertser> dongs: podcasting makes sense because of RSS/Atom feeds. One can automatically download all the new content to a portable device without manual intervention.
2016-02-07T08:37:35 < dongs> am i the only one who doesnt have a fuckign rss reader
2016-02-07T08:37:58 < dongs> rss is just some nasty XML shit on a webserver
2016-02-07T08:38:02 < dongs> NOT MUCH DIFFEFRENT FROM PODCAST
2016-02-07T08:38:07 < dongs> also, portable device!?
2016-02-07T08:38:15 < dongs> i feel like im living in the past
2016-02-07T08:38:17 < dongs> i just click links
2016-02-07T08:38:18 < dongs> on desktop
2016-02-07T08:39:09 < PaulFertser> dongs: some people routinely commute on public transport, and prefer to listen to regular podcast issues on the way.
2016-02-07T08:39:25 < PaulFertser> Or go jogging every morning or whatever.
2016-02-07T08:40:34 < PaulFertser> RSS is nice because one can use single consistent software utility to follow all the different information sources he or she wants to follow. And track unread items.
2016-02-07T08:45:42 < dongs> why would I need RSS wehn I have irc
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2016-02-07T08:51:29 < jadew> any ideas on how to figure out what happens inside a thread, running on linux, on a device I can only connect to via ethernet?
2016-02-07T08:52:01 < jadew> I think I'm in buffer overrun land and I've been here for the past couple of hours
2016-02-07T08:52:09 < jadew> I have an issue so weird it can't be anything else
2016-02-07T08:52:28 < jadew> but I can't figure out how the thread hangs (it actually hangs)
2016-02-07T08:52:51 < jadew> I think it probably ends up in an ISR that's not implemented (infinite loop)
2016-02-07T08:53:49 < jadew> all I can do is upload code and run it
2016-02-07T08:54:05 < dongs> lunix? hanging? teh impossibel
2016-02-07T08:54:20 < jadew> heh
2016-02-07T08:55:58 < PaulFertser> jadew: kernel thread or userspace thread?
2016-02-07T08:56:06 < jadew> PaulFertser, userspace
2016-02-07T08:56:23 < PaulFertser> jadew: then install gdbserver and inspect the app with gdb on host?
2016-02-07T08:57:03 < PaulFertser> jadew: also, if you can, try running valgrind on the target with that app, it helps to catch some very nasty bugs.
2016-02-07T08:57:25 < jadew> PaulFertser, nah, I don't think it has enough memory left for that
2016-02-07T08:57:31 < PaulFertser> jadew: a userspace thread can't be stuck in ISR because only the kernel handles ISRs.
2016-02-07T08:57:45 < jadew> will see if gdbserver is available
2016-02-07T08:57:49 < PaulFertser> jadew: well, at least gdbserver is tiny and you'll see where exactly the thread is.
2016-02-07T08:58:00 < jadew> PaulFertser, that's what I thought, but the thread actually hangs
2016-02-07T08:58:16 < PaulFertser> jadew: you can see its /proc/<pid>/wchan
2016-02-07T08:58:18 < jadew> there's no return from the last function, the socket gets closed and the thread remains active
2016-02-07T08:58:24 < PaulFertser> jadew: if it hangs on a syscall.
2016-02-07T08:58:26 < dongs> what is it?
2016-02-07T08:58:29 < dongs> some  embedded lunix trash>?
2016-02-07T08:58:33 < dongs> why is there " no space"
2016-02-07T08:58:34 < dongs> or memory
2016-02-07T08:58:34 < jadew> dongs, yeah
2016-02-07T08:58:36 < dongs> ic
2016-02-07T08:58:41 < dongs> stop fuckign around with dick-dick-wrt
2016-02-07T08:59:00 < jadew> PaulFertser, thanks, will check it out
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2016-02-07T08:59:25 < PaulFertser> jadew: "ps axm" should show you all the threads.
2016-02-07T08:59:43 < jadew> PaulFertser, ps shows them
2016-02-07T08:59:52 < jadew> it's a very minimal system
2016-02-07T08:59:55 < jadew> ps only has one option
2016-02-07T08:59:56 < jadew> w
2016-02-07T09:00:01 < PaulFertser> jadew: busybox, I see
2016-02-07T09:00:02 < dongs> busydongs
2016-02-07T09:00:05 < jadew> yeah
2016-02-07T09:00:15 < jadew> so what is wchan?
2016-02-07T09:00:20 < jadew> it says do_sys_poll
2016-02-07T09:00:27 < PaulFertser> dongs: you seem to know more about embedded Linux than you usually pretend to ;)
2016-02-07T09:00:48 < dongs> PaulFertser: i gotta know what im trolling abou right
2016-02-07T09:00:50 < PaulFertser> jadew: it means the thread is currently waiting for poll syscall to return.
2016-02-07T09:01:24 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/dcmzf
2016-02-07T09:01:25 < PaulFertser> jadew: another debugging method would be to use "strace -f", you'll see what descriptors it polls for.
2016-02-07T09:01:42 < jadew> PaulFertser, not available
2016-02-07T09:02:22 < PaulFertser> jadew: cross-compiling it shouldn't be too hard. Well, gdbserver should be enough anyway.
2016-02-07T09:03:19 < jadew> yeah, I'll try to get that, altho, my cross compiler toolchain fails to fully compile so I have only a part of the needed tools :D
2016-02-07T09:05:57 < dongs> fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2016-02-07T09:05:57 < PeterM> dongs what even
2016-02-07T09:06:05 < dongs> i bought wrong fucking lED lamps
2016-02-07T09:06:06 < PeterM> that link i dont even
2016-02-07T09:06:10 < dongs> PeterM: lol
2016-02-07T09:06:12 < dongs> that link is super pro
2016-02-07T09:06:18 < dongs> i thought 6500k was fucking warmlight
2016-02-07T09:06:23 < dongs> completely raped
2016-02-07T09:06:25 < PeterM> dude, they're improvised exposives, can't you just make them work?
2016-02-07T09:06:26 < dongs> its the other wayt around
2016-02-07T09:06:38 < PeterM> oh wait LED not IED
2016-02-07T09:06:43 < dongs> haha
2016-02-07T09:07:00 < dongs> fuk.
2016-02-07T09:07:09 < PeterM> yeah like 4500k is warms
2016-02-07T09:07:28 < PeterM> anything much below that is just yellow
2016-02-07T09:08:12 < dongs> yeah i wantede yellow
2016-02-07T09:08:16 < dongs> fucked up
2016-02-07T09:08:18 < dongs> these are expensive lights too
2016-02-07T09:08:39 < PeterM> link?
2016-02-07T09:08:43 < dongs> jap shit
2016-02-07T09:08:46 < dongs> just house lights
2016-02-07T09:08:50 < PeterM> ahh
2016-02-07T09:09:31 < PeterM> why you want yellow, i understand warm vs cool ,but too yellow is shit.... though, i guess it may be natural for asians *racism*
2016-02-07T09:09:38 < dongs> 16:01 < PaulFertser> jadew: another debugging method would be to use "strace -f", you'll see what descriptors it polls for.
2016-02-07T09:09:42 < dongs> 16:01 < jadew> PaulFertser, not available
2016-02-07T09:09:44 < dongs> 16:02 < PaulFertser> jadew: cross-compiling it shouldn't be too hard. Well, gdbserver should be enough anyway.
2016-02-07T09:09:47 < dongs> 16:03 < jadew> yeah, I'll try to get that, altho, my cross compiler toolchain fails to fully compile so I have only a part of the needed tools :D
2016-02-07T09:09:51 < dongs> err
2016-02-07T09:09:52 < dongs> thats my lED lights in action
2016-02-07T09:09:54 < dongs> thje fuck
2016-02-07T09:09:57 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bd7_1454825082&comments=1
2016-02-07T09:10:11 < dongs> PeterM: warm is way better for stuff
2016-02-07T09:10:14 < dongs> bright blue is annoying
2016-02-07T09:11:29 < PeterM> yeah, but like sodium vapor lamp level of "warm white" is jsut as trsh
2016-02-07T09:24:44 < dongs> triggered by word "vapor"
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2016-02-07T10:05:31 < PaulFertser> dongs: there's a nice site with plenty of LED lamp test results, e.g. http://lamptest.ru/images/graph/ikea-20222552-e27-led1207g11.png . He assembled a big database of those, searchable from http://lamptest.ru/
2016-02-07T10:06:44 < PaulFertser> Along with the info about pulsations, whether it works with dimmers etc, http://lamptest.ru/review/ikea-20222552-e27-led1207g11/
2016-02-07T10:08:06 < dongs> meh im not THAT hardcore about it
2016-02-07T10:08:12 < dongs> obviosuly, since I didnt even realize 6500k was on the blue side
2016-02-07T10:08:30 < dongs> i mean i knew it wasnt i was jsut too fuckign stoned
2016-02-07T10:15:31 < PeterM> PaulFertser, i guess B22d fittings done exist in .ru?
2016-02-07T10:16:56 < PaulFertser> PeterM: we have plenty of different lamps, but E27 and E14 are most common.
2016-02-07T10:19:28 < PaulFertser> PeterM: I think I've seen similar sockets in automobiles and motorbikes.
2016-02-07T10:21:09 < PeterM> PaulFertser, they are common sockets in countries in/were in the british empire(?), i don't know how common outside of that though - the ones used in motorvehicles are usually single contact on the bottom
2016-02-07T10:24:16 < PaulFertser> PeterM: I do not think those fittings were common here during the USSR times ever.
2016-02-07T10:31:51 < upgrdman> that lamptest.ru site is pretty cool
2016-02-07T10:32:07 < upgrdman> bonus points: google translate turns CRI into "SHOUT"
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2016-02-07T10:43:24 < PaulFertser> :)))
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2016-02-07T11:10:08 < upgrdman> lol, i dont
2016-02-07T11:14:35 < upgrdman> heh
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2016-02-07T11:33:26 < upgrdman> typical woman in los angeles  http://i.imgur.com/1yjYp9L.jpg
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2016-02-07T13:19:52 < dongs> Vape is one letter away from 'rape'. Do the math.
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2016-02-07T13:30:10 < ReadError> hmm how the hell do you use an OTG USB
2016-02-07T13:30:31 < ReadError> only cables I have are like microusb
2016-02-07T13:30:37 < dongs> you need otg cable.
2016-02-07T13:30:47 < ReadError> yea I have OTG to USB A
2016-02-07T13:30:52 < dongs> thats it then.
2016-02-07T13:31:02 < ReadError> yea so how would I hook that up to a computer
2016-02-07T13:31:08 < dongs> ...
2016-02-07T13:31:09 < qyx> wat
2016-02-07T13:31:12 < dongs> OTG is HOST
2016-02-07T13:31:26 < dongs> you hookup devices to it
2016-02-07T13:31:26 < ReadError> oh well shit
2016-02-07T13:31:29 < ReadError> that explains it
2016-02-07T13:31:46 < dongs> or rather, OTG is either device or host, host when  you use otg cable
2016-02-07T13:31:48 < qyx> that lamptest page is quite pro
2016-02-07T13:31:49 < dongs> or device when you don't.
2016-02-07T13:31:56 < qyx> U/I graphs and power factor
2016-02-07T13:32:20 < dongs> https://github.com/turingbirds/con-pcb-slot
2016-02-07T13:32:21 < dongs> hahaha.
2016-02-07T13:32:41 < dongs> KEEP SCROLLING DOWN.
2016-02-07T13:33:13 < Steffanx> Homebrew is bad uh?
2016-02-07T13:37:08 < ReadError> soldered up like 140 pins on this damn nucleo
2016-02-07T13:37:19 < ReadError> atleast they labeled each on the bottom on this board
2016-02-07T13:37:50 < jpa-> why would you do that?
2016-02-07T13:38:02 < jpa-> wouldn't it be easier to just make a pcb at that point
2016-02-07T13:38:03 < dongs> hes cloning something retarded im sure
2016-02-07T13:38:48 < ReadError> jpa- still prototyping it
2016-02-07T13:39:37 < ReadError> plus even when I finish ill probably just make a sheild for it anyways
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2016-02-07T13:40:01 < jpa-> sure, but wouldn't it be easier, even if you need to remake the pcb later?
2016-02-07T13:40:18 < jpa-> saves time even in prototyping phase, especially as you wont have silly bugs due to broken wires
2016-02-07T13:40:40 < ReadError> well a good portion of the extra hardware i have on a sub board already
2016-02-07T13:41:01 < ReadError> it was a huge mess before that
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2016-02-07T13:57:52 < zyp> ReadError, the ID pin in the plug encodes what end the socket it's plugged into should act as
2016-02-07T13:58:28 < zyp> if it's floating, it's a B end, and it should act as device, if it's tied to ground, it's an A end and it should act as host
2016-02-07T13:58:59 < ReadError> but apparently I can do VCP on the OTG
2016-02-07T13:59:11 < zyp> OTG in what sense?
2016-02-07T13:59:18 < ReadError> the 144 nucleo
2016-02-07T13:59:22 < ReadError> has a OTG plug
2016-02-07T13:59:36 < zyp> OTG means that the usb peripheral can change roles between host and device, like I just described
2016-02-07T13:59:38 < jpa-> the silkscreen does not affect the protocol, software decides that
2016-02-07T14:00:02 < zyp> VCP would be as a device, so you plug in a normal cable
2016-02-07T14:00:08  * mitrax pokes karlp
2016-02-07T14:00:17 < zyp> with a B-encoded plug
2016-02-07T14:01:45 < ReadError> yea I just lack the cabling witchcraft to use it as such
2016-02-07T14:02:07 < zyp> dude, grab a normal cable, like what you use to charge your phone
2016-02-07T14:02:16 < dongs> zyp, does f07x have usb host?
2016-02-07T14:02:43 < dongs> hm looks like not
2016-02-07T14:02:44 < zyp> no
2016-02-07T14:02:51 < dongs> user usb on -disco has ID tied to gnd
2016-02-07T14:03:16 < zyp> what socket end does with ID doesn't matter
2016-02-07T14:03:30 < dongs> its to gnd via R for some reason
2016-02-07T14:03:36 < zyp> socket only needs to read ID if it's OTG capable, if it's not OTG capable, it's unused
2016-02-07T14:03:42 < zyp> haha
2016-02-07T14:03:44 < zyp> that sounds pointless
2016-02-07T14:03:54 < dongs> very
2016-02-07T14:07:26 < mitrax> have you guys already had an RS485 driver crash and burn on you? more specifically an ISL83483, it's supposedly current limited when there's a short circuit on the bus, i have one that was working fine that just died on me and killed my whole board
2016-02-07T14:07:35 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-07T14:07:41 < dongs> when i was doing DMX trash
2016-02-07T14:07:44 < dongs> a lot of drivers are garbage
2016-02-07T14:07:54 < dongs> i ended up using some more expensive ISL one that didnt crap out
2016-02-07T14:08:00 < dongs> a lot of DMX shit even puts that shit in a socket
2016-02-07T14:08:04 < dongs> because they burn from dumb people
2016-02-07T14:08:16 < mitrax> ah
2016-02-07T14:09:31 < mitrax> i'm not sure why what has happened exactly but the fucker outputs 2.5V on the DE line which is an input... and at some point when measuring i was getting 7V on the RO output (although it's powered in 3.3V), is there a voltage doubler inside or something?
2016-02-07T14:10:11 < mitrax> there's no external capacitor so that seems weird
2016-02-07T14:11:45 < mitrax> there's no block diagram for in the ISL datasheet nor exact mention of what level it outputs on the bus. i could hook up a scope and figure it out, but what's the usual voltage levels on an RS485 bus?
2016-02-07T14:13:33 < dongs> i thought it was +-5V
2016-02-07T14:14:03 < zyp> differential, yes
2016-02-07T14:14:18 < zyp> there's no negative voltages relative to ground
2016-02-07T14:18:21 < mitrax> zyp: ok so typically in a +3.3V powered driver there would be a voltage doubler circuit inside or a boost converter of some sort?
2016-02-07T14:19:20 < zyp> nah, it'll probably just run at ±3.3V
2016-02-07T14:19:46 < zyp> since it's differential, the actual voltages doesn't matter much, it's the difference between the two lines that matter
2016-02-07T14:20:06 < zyp> and according to spec, the thresholds seems to be ±0.2V
2016-02-07T14:21:09 < mitrax> ok ... so i guess i dreamed that 7.5V value on one output of the damaged circuit... can't reproduce it now
2016-02-07T14:26:14 < mitrax> here's how i killed my board: the driver is on one board, that connects to another board that has the MCU through a 14 pins HE10 connector, the power supply line is on that connector too (basically power / RX / TX / DE), while the driver was powered i unplugged / replugged the cpu board... (yeah stupid i know)
2016-02-07T14:26:26 < mitrax> Could it be that while plugging the RX / TX line got physically connected first (before the supply pins), that the cpu got powered trhough those pins (as well as other component on the board) which caused the driver RO output to get overloaded and burn the thing?
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2016-02-07T14:31:20 < dongs> you can get isolated transceivers
2016-02-07T14:31:54 < mitrax> i should probably get that yeah :/
2016-02-07T14:36:22 < mitrax> is the scenario above a likely possibility? the cpu board only eats like 10-15mA on the 3.3V, i'd think the driver RO output could handle that current for a few milliseconds (assuming the RX pin got connected before the supply pin), but i have a few decoupling caps, maybe the inrush current was too much
2016-02-07T14:38:11 < mitrax> RO (i.e receiver out, the pin that goes to the RX of the cpu, it's not on the rs485 bus side)
2016-02-07T14:38:54 < mitrax> dongs: do you remember which ISL you ended up using?
2016-02-07T14:41:07 < dongs> lemem look at that proj
2016-02-07T14:41:45 < dongs> ISL3293 series
2016-02-07T14:41:47 < dongs> E
2016-02-07T14:42:18 < dongs> tehres like 93/94/95/96/97/98 which is different speesd rating i think
2016-02-07T14:44:59 < mitrax> thanks
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2016-02-07T15:05:58 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1454844422141.webm
2016-02-07T15:07:16 < Steffanx> noob.
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2016-02-07T15:09:42 < bilboquet> hi, is there some of you on https://hackaday.io ? it seems to be cool.
2016-02-07T15:23:50 < PaulFertser> mitrax: I think FT pins can't provide parasitic power to the stm32 core.
2016-02-07T15:24:36 < Laurenceb_> they will fry the stm32 in fact
2016-02-07T15:24:50 < Laurenceb_> current injection is a bad idea
2016-02-07T15:26:20 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: I can see how regular pins can do that, but I thought FT pins are protected.
2016-02-07T15:26:47 < Laurenceb_> they are protected to 5.5v or something
2016-02-07T15:27:21 < PaulFertser> Yes, and mitrax didn't have any higher voltage present anywhere.
2016-02-07T15:28:30 < zyp> note that they are only rated to Vcc+4V, so they are not specced to handle 5V when the chip is unpowered
2016-02-07T15:28:31 < Laurenceb_> he'll be ok then :D
2016-02-07T15:30:18 < mitrax> the pins that potentially got connected before the VDD pins are FT indeed, you think the core couldn't have been powered through them?
2016-02-07T15:32:44 < mitrax> i'm gonna put a load on the RS485 driver RO output and see if that's what fried it... the bus side is supposedly protected with current limiting and shit (cause that can happen), but i'm thinking maybe the stage that drives the receiver output have no such protection (since you're not supposed to shortcut them or anything)
2016-02-07T15:35:46 < PaulFertser> zyp: well, yes, but I'd still be very surprised if it could fry the controller.
2016-02-07T15:40:58 < dongs> bilboquet: only cool if youre into tarduino
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2016-02-07T16:05:50 < kakimir> for fast measurement speeds AD inputs need capacitor?
2016-02-07T16:06:22 < kakimir> I wonder is sample event drains AD line a little
2016-02-07T16:06:37 < kakimir> addition to pin leakage
2016-02-07T16:06:45 < Laurenceb_> a tiny amount, its ~12pF
2016-02-07T16:06:51 < Laurenceb_>  - the sample cap
2016-02-07T16:08:37 < Lux> depends on how often you sample it and what bandwidth you need
2016-02-07T16:08:56 < kakimir> something like monitoring voltage rails
2016-02-07T16:08:59 < kakimir> reading pots
2016-02-07T16:09:03 < kakimir> reading ntc
2016-02-07T16:09:13 < kakimir> at this case
2016-02-07T16:09:14 < Lux> there is a minimum Rain speced in the datasheet
2016-02-07T16:09:24 < Lux> then you can run it slower anyway
2016-02-07T16:09:58 < Lux> thus have a larger analog input impedance or a cap will do too
2016-02-07T16:11:47 < kakimir> I have like 10 voltage dividers in this led driver
2016-02-07T16:12:17 < kakimir> bunch for voltage levels and feedback for driver desing
2016-02-07T16:12:23 < kakimir> few for application
2016-02-07T16:12:31 < kakimir> and a whole lot connected to mcu
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2016-02-07T16:50:25 < kakimir> give some some value for capacitors in resistor dividers dongs
2016-02-07T16:50:34 < kakimir> 100n too much?
2016-02-07T16:50:43 < kakimir> I think it is
2016-02-07T16:50:44 < dongs> capcitors in resistor diviers wat
2016-02-07T16:50:51 < kakimir> AD inputs
2016-02-07T16:51:04 < dongs> doesn't that depend on how fast you wanna sample
2016-02-07T16:51:13 < kakimir> no I'm not doing capacitor divider
2016-02-07T16:51:21 < Taxman> what about those chinese batteries? https://twitter.com/Karishad/status/695490950034907136
2016-02-07T16:51:25 < Taxman> can you recommend them?
2016-02-07T16:51:28 < kakimir> really not that fast dongs
2016-02-07T16:51:35 < dongs> Taxman: looks good for vapism
2016-02-07T16:51:40 < kakimir> 10times a second would be great
2016-02-07T17:00:26 < kakimir> I need to check response times with ltspice
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2016-02-07T17:03:40 < kakimir> 100k pot with 100n cap takes 20ms to reach about stable level
2016-02-07T17:03:54 < kakimir> it's not okay as I switchs pots on and off
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2016-02-07T17:06:25 < kakimir> 10n and it's under 2ms
2016-02-07T17:06:59 < kakimir> that's betters
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2016-02-07T17:18:28 < chris_99> hi, i'm just wondering if someone can point me in the right direction, is there an idiots guide to designing a schematic/PCB with STM32 chips, i've only ever used their dev boards before, i'm currently looking at STM32F302R6T6 at the moment due to the cost and usb support and the number of I/O, i need to drive ~30 I/O pins.  I've also got a J-Link clone, which i believe i should be able to use to program these chips, with openocd
2016-02-07T17:25:09 < zyp> f0/l0 would likely be cheaper than f3 if all you need is usb and a bunch of io
2016-02-07T17:26:36 < chris_99> i'll have a look at that cheers
2016-02-07T17:31:47 < kakimir> you need to install kicad
2016-02-07T17:31:49 < kakimir> :D
2016-02-07T17:31:54 < kakimir> :)
2016-02-07T17:33:12 < chris_99> heh, i'm writing a script at the moment, in kicad, to generate part of the pcb for me
2016-02-07T17:33:21 < kakimir> ('' )  *sees if dongs is around* ( ..)
2016-02-07T17:34:03 < kakimir> we are on clear
2016-02-07T17:41:36 < chris_99> oh just found the reference schematic for STM32F30x
2016-02-07T17:45:50 < Laurenceb_> is there a simple clock divider ic ?
2016-02-07T17:45:59 < Laurenceb_> I need something like 20mhz -> 2mhz
2016-02-07T17:51:05 < Sync> yes, called decade counter
2016-02-07T17:51:33 < Laurenceb_> could I get a square wave out of one?
2016-02-07T17:52:20 < dongs> http://images.craigslist.org/00707_h0t6cb9wZ5x_600x450.jpg
2016-02-07T17:52:25 < Sync> http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/74HC_HCT4017.pdf
2016-02-07T17:53:11 < dongs> lol
2016-02-07T17:53:21 < dongs> yeah you could definitely divide clocks with that
2016-02-07T17:53:38 < Sync> ye
2016-02-07T17:53:50 < Sync> often used in old frequency counters
2016-02-07T17:54:00 < dongs> any of you arduino pros used DS3231 or wahtever
2016-02-07T17:54:09 < dongs> the overpriced ma$im RTC
2016-02-07T17:54:16 < Laurenceb_> ah that last output looks good, thanks
2016-02-07T17:54:52 < Laurenceb_> I need to run an F3 and an adc that needs 2mhz of the same clock :-/
2016-02-07T17:55:09 < Sync> ye
2016-02-07T17:55:14 < Sync> can't you just use a timer?
2016-02-07T17:55:17 < Sync> and output shiet
2016-02-07T17:55:21 < dongs> (or MCO)
2016-02-07T17:55:25 < englishman> cant you divide mco
2016-02-07T17:55:29 < englishman> ^ doh too slo
2016-02-07T17:55:34 < Laurenceb_> yeah MCO wont go slow enough
2016-02-07T17:55:42 < Laurenceb_> lol yeah I could use a timer
2016-02-07T17:55:45 < Laurenceb_> nice plan
2016-02-07T17:55:48 < emeb_mac> derp
2016-02-07T17:55:48 < Sync> rekt
2016-02-07T17:55:55 < dongs> er, you dont even need it to be in phase wiht cpu clock?
2016-02-07T17:56:01 < dongs> or whaetver
2016-02-07T17:56:10 < dongs> fucking solutions lookin for problems
2016-02-07T17:56:17 < dongs> you could evne use uart_ck for 2mhz
2016-02-07T17:56:30 < dongs> just configure unused uart for a 2000000baud serial shiz
2016-02-07T17:56:53 < dongs> if yo udont have timers
2016-02-07T17:57:01 < dongs> and there's a bit in registers that says if stop clock during idle or not
2016-02-07T17:57:02 < Laurenceb_> its a datalogger, I dont want to have to bother resampling due to clock drift
2016-02-07T17:57:14 < Sync> oh, that is actually not a bad idea dongs
2016-02-07T17:57:39 < Laurenceb_> cool, time to check pinout
2016-02-07T17:58:06 < dongs> sync, i used it for something like that, tho not as pro as Laurenceb_ datablogger
2016-02-07T17:58:23 < emeb_mac> external ADC?
2016-02-07T17:58:42 < emeb_mac> on-chip ADC not good enough for your pro app?
2016-02-07T17:59:08 < Laurenceb_> I want 24bit and lots of PGA config
2016-02-07T17:59:20 < dongs> hes datablogging like a REAL PRO
2016-02-07T17:59:27 < dongs> is there 32bit adc
2016-02-07T17:59:35 < dongs> how much of that is: noise
2016-02-07T17:59:48 < Sync> which adc do you intend to use?
2016-02-07T17:59:56 < Laurenceb_> ADS1298
2016-02-07T18:00:08 < emeb_mac> lol 24 bit
2016-02-07T18:00:39 < dongs> lol, 32bit adc search on digishit brings up audiophile trash
2016-02-07T18:00:48 < Laurenceb_> it will all be spat out into a wav file on the logger :D
2016-02-07T18:00:52 < Sync> oh, integrated ecg frontend
2016-02-07T18:00:55 < Sync> intredasting
2016-02-07T18:00:56 < emeb_mac> 144dB SNR is for reals man
2016-02-07T18:01:19 < dongs> http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/TCC-103-D.PDF
2016-02-07T18:01:19 < dongs> wat
2016-02-07T18:03:04 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/AD7177-2BRUZ-RL7/AD7177-2BRUZ-RL7CT-ND/5414552
2016-02-07T18:03:07 < dongs> how pro is this
2016-02-07T18:03:57 < emeb_mac> I guess the important thing on that ADS1298 is the ECG front end
2016-02-07T18:04:26 < emeb_mac> hook up to your plethysmograph or something. :P
2016-02-07T18:06:19 < Laurenceb_> lol using every pin on lqfp-48
2016-02-07T18:06:21 < Sync> well, it is pro spensive dongs :P
2016-02-07T18:06:55 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb_: getting your money's worth.
2016-02-07T18:08:34 < emeb_mac> dongs: those PTIC things are kind of cool
2016-02-07T18:08:58 < emeb_mac> wonder if I could use those for making a variable filter for RF stuff...
2016-02-07T18:09:24 < Laurenceb_> the RF parts seem to be a pain to find
2016-02-07T18:09:37 < Laurenceb_> I was looking at them for making a self tuning HF balloon antenna
2016-02-07T18:10:31 < emeb_mac> Seems like they'd be good for that.
2016-02-07T18:10:41 < emeb_mac> but freq range is too high for my app
2016-02-07T18:10:51 < emeb_mac> I need HF stuff, not L-band
2016-02-07T18:12:06 < Laurenceb_> yeah
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2016-02-07T18:17:46 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tlv70025-q1.pdf so I was lazy and tried to find suitable footprint from my kicad lib and there was chips such as this
2016-02-07T18:17:50 < kakimir> 200mA
2016-02-07T18:18:13 < kakimir> and tps783xx doesn't have 3v3 option
2016-02-07T18:19:07 < Laurenceb_> interesting, but quite high dropout voltage
2016-02-07T18:19:14 < Laurenceb_> for single cell lipo to 3.3v
2016-02-07T18:20:48 < kakimir> use 3volt version?
2016-02-07T18:21:02 < kakimir> that is why tps783xx doesn't even have 3v3
2016-02-07T18:21:14 < kakimir> because it's all battery use
2016-02-07T18:21:22 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.fi/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/TLV70033QDDCRQ1/?qs=%2fha2pyFadujTqmLaWl%2fy8L0cCwe8rKhsqKSmydR0bGntQJPseY130A%3d%3d
2016-02-07T18:21:36 < kakimir> also looks good value
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2016-02-07T19:38:11 < Martin90> what are HAL drivers ?
2016-02-07T19:39:20 < kakimir> shit
2016-02-07T19:39:24 < kakimir> :D
2016-02-07T19:39:40 < kakimir> High Abstraction Level
2016-02-07T19:40:06 < kakimir> so that there is functions to handle peripherals instead you toggle those registers by hand
2016-02-07T19:40:53 < kakimir> there is different implementations that are not compatible within different chips or other implementations
2016-02-07T19:41:18 < kakimir> there is attempts to create something more universal.. attempts
2016-02-07T19:45:34 < kakimir> general rule of thumb: you don't use HAL drivers for simple applications
2016-02-07T19:45:54 < Martin90> ok thanks ;)
2016-02-07T19:47:13 < kakimir> actually I don't know about stm32 drivers as I'm a traitor sailing under NXP flag
2016-02-07T19:48:07 < kakimir> some say stm32cubemx creates very nice boilerplate
2016-02-07T19:49:19 < kakimir> others say it's just crap that works for referential purpose
2016-02-07T19:51:55 < Martin90> kakimir: do I recall correctly that you have IDE poll ?
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2016-02-07T19:52:44 < kakimir> some communication peripherals are quite insane amount of code to initialize then better reffer to hal drivers
2016-02-07T19:53:34 < kakimir> http://strawpoll.me/6729550/r
2016-02-07T19:54:11 < kakimir> or so complex that reffering to code may be only way to understand all the twists
2016-02-07T19:55:36 < Martin90> you should add mbed.org and STM32 system workbench
2016-02-07T19:56:45 < kakimir> can not do :)
2016-02-07T19:57:33 < Martin90> ok ;;)
2016-02-07T19:57:37 < kakimir> maybe if I do better poll and copy those votes there
2016-02-07T19:58:07 < Martin90> what do you think about that mbed project ?
2016-02-07T19:58:50 < kakimir> I don't know what it is
2016-02-07T19:59:03 < kakimir> I look at the page and still don't know what it is
2016-02-07T19:59:20 < kakimir> other than something hip and by arm
2016-02-07T20:01:59 < kakimir> iot
2016-02-07T20:23:21 < qyx> high abstraction level?
2016-02-07T20:35:35 < kakimir> is that question?
2016-02-07T20:36:16 < Martin90> looks like a question.. at least there is question mark at the end :P
2016-02-07T20:45:53 < upgrdman> lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6LwBv-VjX8
2016-02-07T20:50:31 < upgrdman> haha  http://i.imgur.com/iFW1CbQ.gifv
2016-02-07T20:53:44 < mitrax> kakimir: HAL = Hardware Abstraction Layer
2016-02-07T20:54:45 < upgrdman> R2COM, why are russians so stupid? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32b9m7CeJfQ&feature=youtu.be
2016-02-07T20:54:53 < upgrdman> (j/k of course)
2016-02-07T20:56:30 < kakimir> mitrax: oh I see I tried to be smart
2016-02-07T21:17:10 < Getty> Kickfarted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c34LmSDSWVI
2016-02-07T21:22:19 < kakimir> alert dongs
2016-02-07T21:22:51 < Getty> its a bit disappointing that dongs didnt created that channel ;)
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2016-02-07T21:42:23 < kakimir> is texas nice with samples?
2016-02-07T21:43:00 < kakimir> some 3dollar regulators and subdollar ldos
2016-02-07T21:43:23 < kakimir> I just realized how stupid I have been
2016-02-07T21:43:38 < kakimir> manufactures send free stuff just by clicking "order a sample"
2016-02-07T21:46:43 < aandrew> bleh. I just order 10 or something off digikey
2016-02-07T21:46:49 < aandrew> can't be arsed unless it's an expensive part
2016-02-07T21:47:33 < kakimir> okay then multiply that 10 with 100articles you have stocked
2016-02-07T21:47:48 < kakimir> equals some money
2016-02-07T21:48:42 < kakimir> http://www.ti.com/product/LM46002-Q1 there is the buck I was looking for
2016-02-07T21:48:54 < kakimir> have wide input range
2016-02-07T21:48:59 < kakimir> around 3amps
2016-02-07T21:49:02 < aandrew> sure, but that's why I try to design with parts I alreayd have/am familiar with :-)
2016-02-07T21:49:24 < aandrew> I've been using the TPS63020 as a primary regulator for liion tech
2016-02-07T21:49:33 < aandrew> 4A, adjustable buck/boost
2016-02-07T21:49:59 < aandrew> so I can suck all the useful energy out of a liion (2.5-4.3V as well as working correctly off of the 5V you might get off USB while charging)
2016-02-07T21:50:28 < aandrew> then the MCP73811/812 for the charge function, although I might revisit that, I think I want something that can correctly do high current requests off USB
2016-02-07T21:50:46 < aandrew> it just hasn't been an annoying enough itch to scratch
2016-02-07T21:50:56 < kakimir> how many amps?
2016-02-07T21:52:01 < kakimir> that buck I showed.. 27microamps in regulation
2016-02-07T21:52:12 < aandrew> high current charge? I'd like to suck down a good 2A if possible, that's USB pre-C limit I think
2016-02-07T21:53:13 < kakimir> sadly not 100% duty
2016-02-07T21:53:22 < kakimir> it would be perfect
2016-02-07T21:53:22 < aandrew> well yeah
2016-02-07T21:53:41 < aandrew> ain't nobody gonna draw 2A out of what most people have for USB cables no matter what the spec says
2016-02-07T21:54:02 < kakimir> it might be 2amps when you short it
2016-02-07T21:54:17 < kakimir> harvests that short circuit
2016-02-07T21:55:39 < kakimir> but isn't there some optimum point where delivered voltage*current is maximised
2016-02-07T21:56:52 < artag> yes, it's where the source impedance matches the load
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2016-02-07T21:58:03 < artag> that's somewhat hard to determine with a regulated supply, though
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2016-02-07T22:34:12 < upgrdman> R2COM, http://gfycat.com/ShrillBothBluemorphobutterfly
2016-02-07T22:38:55 < upgrdman> typical microsoft   https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff718496.aspx
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2016-02-07T23:43:51 < upgrdman> more induction heater shenanegans, this time with ~380W  http://www.farrellf.com/temp/induction_heater_revG.jpg
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2016-02-07T23:45:07 < artag> that's nice, you've found a use for those horrible 'helping hand' things
2016-02-07T23:45:40 < upgrdman> inorite, like the only use for them.
2016-02-07T23:46:38 < artag> maybe they're good for testing its ability to melt castings
2016-02-07T23:49:23 < upgrdman> so google tells me the melting point of aluminum is 660C/1220F ... maybe it was a bad idea for me to do that test while not weating pants.
2016-02-07T23:49:35 < upgrdman> wearing*
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2016-02-07T23:56:15 < artag> it's fine. leidenfrost.
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2016-02-08T00:13:29 < Lux> kinda reminds me of that chinese induction stuff i saw a while ago: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1000W-Low-ZVS-High-Frequency-Induction-Heating-Board-Modul-Coil-Machine-20A/32454893604.html
2016-02-08T00:13:36 < Lux> i wonder if that's any good
2016-02-08T00:13:56 < upgrdman> Lux, AvE bought one and it smoked after like 2 seconds
2016-02-08T00:14:16 < Lux> that sucks
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2016-02-08T00:14:34 < upgrdman> those caps i used are like $25 each, USED.
2016-02-08T00:14:42 < upgrdman> and the caps are the expensive part
2016-02-08T00:15:21 < Laurenceb_> nice, do you use deionised water?
2016-02-08T00:15:30 < upgrdman> no, tap water
2016-02-08T00:15:39 < Laurenceb_> interesting, whats the voltage?
2016-02-08T00:15:48 < upgrdman> so far im keeping it under 20V
2016-02-08T00:15:51 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-02-08T00:15:53 < upgrdman> since i have no zeners on the gates
2016-02-08T00:16:00 < Laurenceb_> whats the coil for?
2016-02-08T00:16:09 < upgrdman> my lab psu can do up to 32V 30A though
2016-02-08T00:16:21 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, its an induction heater. the coil does the work.
2016-02-08T00:16:38 < Laurenceb_> I meant the tiny coil
2016-02-08T00:16:44 < upgrdman> oh
2016-02-08T00:16:51 < upgrdman> just for montioring current
2016-02-08T00:16:54 < upgrdman> which im not in that photo
2016-02-08T00:17:11 < Laurenceb_> I'm confused
2016-02-08T00:17:18 < Laurenceb_> isnt it in the wrong axis?
2016-02-08T00:17:30 < upgrdman> the red magnet wire coil?
2016-02-08T00:17:41 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-02-08T00:18:00 < upgrdman> no. it's measuring current going through the copper tube that feeds the bottom of the big working coil
2016-02-08T00:18:37 < Laurenceb_> hmmm
2016-02-08T00:18:47 < Laurenceb_> does it work for measuring the current?
2016-02-08T00:18:52 < upgrdman> yes
2016-02-08T00:18:53 < Laurenceb_> have you tested it?
2016-02-08T00:18:54 < upgrdman> of course
2016-02-08T00:18:56 < upgrdman> yes
2016-02-08T00:18:57 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2016-02-08T00:19:01 < upgrdman> dude
2016-02-08T00:19:10 < upgrdman> do you even physics
2016-02-08T00:19:14 < Laurenceb_> magnetic field lines should curve around the tube surely?
2016-02-08T00:19:29 < upgrdman> that bottom tube is a "wire"
2016-02-08T00:19:37 < upgrdman> it carries AC current
2016-02-08T00:19:49 < Laurenceb_> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/imgmag/magcur.gif
2016-02-08T00:20:06 < Laurenceb_> dont you need field lines passing through the coil?
2016-02-08T00:20:47 < kakimir> texas has ended shipping shiet samples to poorfags
2016-02-08T00:21:13 < kakimir> I see I have got some samples out in 2011
2016-02-08T00:23:30 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, hmm cant find my oscope screenshot. but ti works.
2016-02-08T00:23:46 < Laurenceb_> maybe its stray field
2016-02-08T00:24:05 < upgrdman> k
2016-02-08T00:24:09 < Laurenceb_> http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/transformer/trans53.gif?81223b
2016-02-08T00:24:25 < Laurenceb_> you made the circuit symbol lolz
2016-02-08T00:24:34 < upgrdman> :)
2016-02-08T00:28:37 < Lux> upgrdman: wouldn't more cheaper caps in parallel do the trick too ?
2016-02-08T00:28:47 < upgrdman> tried. many times.
2016-02-08T00:28:52 < upgrdman> way too much ripple current
2016-02-08T00:29:01 < upgrdman> even for SMPS rated MLCCs
2016-02-08T00:29:22 < upgrdman> Lux, e.g. http://www.farrellf.com/temp/induction_heater_revE.jpg
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2016-02-08T00:29:53 < upgrdman> those MLCCs boils water when submerged in water :)
2016-02-08T00:30:19 < upgrdman> and if you dont submerge them in water: http://www.farrellf.com/temp/burned_mlcc_capacitor_taiyo_yuden_UMK325C7106MM-T_50V_10uF.jpg
2016-02-08T00:30:46 < kakimir> put them inside tube
2016-02-08T00:31:05 < upgrdman> put them inside your anus
2016-02-08T00:32:25 < Lux> ya, those don't look like they'd hanle any high voltage
2016-02-08T00:32:46 < Lux> https://markobakula.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/royer_ih.png is that the design you are using ?
2016-02-08T00:34:04 < Lux> i tought more of caps like those for example: http://www.reichelt.de/Wima-FKP1-MKP10/MKP-10-1600-330N/3/index.html?ACTION=3&GROUPID=3150&ARTICLE=32002&OFFSET=500&SID=11Vkj74KwQATMAAGLUj28dabdfb9de43c738eb34b4adfe76fe4ce&LANGUAGE=EN
2016-02-08T00:36:21 < Sync> you can use those, but they don't like the very high rms current
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2016-02-08T00:42:30 < upgrdman> Lux, this is what im using, but for L2 i have two inductors in parallel for lower ESR  http://www.rmcybernetics.com/images/induction-heater-schematic.jpg
2016-02-08T00:43:22 < upgrdman> now that i have caps that are up to task, im tempted to make a proper active circuit
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2016-02-08T00:43:30 < upgrdman> but im lazy, so that might not happen
2016-02-08T00:43:34 < Lux> i need to build something like that some day :)
2016-02-08T00:43:42 < Lux> seems fairly simple
2016-02-08T00:43:52 < upgrdman> it is
2016-02-08T00:43:56 < upgrdman> here's my first one
2016-02-08T00:44:02 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/induction_heater_revA.jpg
2016-02-08T00:44:20 < upgrdman> gets the screwdriver warm after like 20 seconds :) only warm :)
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2016-02-08T00:46:45 < Lux> on a breadboard i wouldn't expect more :P
2016-02-08T00:46:54 < upgrdman> breadboard can do way more
2016-02-08T00:46:56 < Lux> but still nice for testing
2016-02-08T00:47:04 < upgrdman> but 28awg magent wire working coil... not so much
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2016-02-08T01:15:24 < kakimir> anyone know how nxp does sample requests?
2016-02-08T01:16:00 < kakimir> I'm about to try registered as poorfag
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2016-02-08T01:35:15 < kakimir> nxp has poor samples
2016-02-08T01:35:39 < kakimir> meaning that they barely have anythin as sample
2016-02-08T01:36:30 < kakimir> in arm mcus
2016-02-08T01:36:36 < kakimir> some kinesis
2016-02-08T01:39:05 < kakimir> apparently their policy is to pour out free of charge those kinesis chips that have no future
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2016-02-08T01:51:59 < kakimir> it makes sense if they give out 10 at time
2016-02-08T01:52:02 < kakimir> or 100
2016-02-08T01:52:34 < kakimir> propably they give only one unit
2016-02-08T01:57:12 < kakimir> nxp samples made me sad
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2016-02-08T02:04:57 < kakimir> I think linear would send samples but deploying their 50dollar regulators and stuff would cost big time
2016-02-08T02:05:49 < kakimir> found that texas has nice totally integrated buck regulator
2016-02-08T02:05:58 < kakimir> just add caps and you are done
2016-02-08T02:07:33 < kakimir> http://www.ti.com/product/LMZ36002
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2016-02-08T02:09:26 < kakimir> linear has similar but quite more expensive
2016-02-08T02:09:34 < kakimir> more amps too
2016-02-08T02:19:55 < aandrew> hm, does stm32f4 have any capability of using the USB interface for clock like some AVRs/PICs?
2016-02-08T02:20:03 < aandrew> trying to see if I can eliminate the crystal on this
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2016-02-08T02:27:16 < zyp> aandrew, no, but f0/l0 can do that
2016-02-08T02:32:40 < aandrew> zyp: ok, thanks
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2016-02-08T02:34:29 < aandrew> balls, stm32cube is such shit software
2016-02-08T02:34:33 < dongs> now ay
2016-02-08T02:34:37 < dongs> cube is greatest
2016-02-08T02:34:38 < aandrew> maybe I'm just retarded though
2016-02-08T02:34:50 < aandrew> is it not possible to say "what pins can I put I2S_CKIN on?"
2016-02-08T02:35:36 < dongs> no, datasheet and ctrl+f tells you that
2016-02-08T02:35:41 < dongs> then you can click it on the cube thing
2016-02-08T02:35:47 < aandrew> if I have to do that, why have the damn app
2016-02-08T02:35:59 < dongs> you're supposed to just pick i2s from left side
2016-02-08T02:36:06 < dongs> and not worry that it may have altiernative  pinouts elsehwer
2016-02-08T02:36:12 < aandrew> yeah
2016-02-08T02:36:16 < aandrew> piece of shit. :-)
2016-02-08T02:36:17 < dongs> if youwanna go more advanced than that, then you have to choose pin by pin
2016-02-08T02:36:19 < dongs> nope
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2016-02-08T03:03:08 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/yeMQX7p.jpg
2016-02-08T03:05:54 < dongs> http://imgur.com/gallery/v0yNEUn super safe
2016-02-08T03:08:28 < aandrew> oh there we are, ctrl+click highlights alternates
2016-02-08T03:09:12 < aandrew> waiting for the kaboom
2016-02-08T03:18:25 < dongs> o yea i knew that
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2016-02-08T03:33:18 < emeb_mac> no boom today - boom tomorrow. there's always a boom tomorrow.
2016-02-08T03:48:33 < dongs> huh wtf
2016-02-08T03:50:08 < dongs> http://www.asrock.com/mb/spec/card.asp?Model=U.2%20Kit
2016-02-08T03:57:59 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6ilCZNZKjg
2016-02-08T03:57:59 < dongs> lol
2016-02-08T03:58:18 < dongs> https://youtu.be/v6ilCZNZKjg?t=95 more specifically
2016-02-08T03:59:46 < englishman> haha
2016-02-08T04:00:59 < englishman> ships in march
2016-02-08T04:01:04 < dongs> lol
2016-02-08T04:01:04 < englishman> thats only a month of trolling
2016-02-08T04:01:10 < englishman> we got a whole year out of zano
2016-02-08T04:01:19 < dongs> march 2026 maybe
2016-02-08T04:17:30 < kakimir> hello dongs
2016-02-08T04:17:44 < dongs> time to check freelanser then do some worke
2016-02-08T04:18:00 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/USB-ACCELEROMETER-TILT-SENSOR-FOR/
2016-02-08T04:18:04 < dongs> triggered
2016-02-08T04:19:32 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/DVI-EDID-emulator-upload-via/
2016-02-08T04:19:59 < dongs>  Main controller with ethernet connection (for example Arduino) which can:
2016-02-08T04:20:01 < dongs> lool
2016-02-08T04:21:39 < kakimir> dongs you sweaty balls do you understand there is buyesr market in freelancer pages
2016-02-08T04:21:42 < dongs> i should take that one
2016-02-08T04:21:50 < dongs> for around 1.5k
2016-02-08T04:21:53 < dongs> incl prototyping
2016-02-08T04:22:41 < kakimir> there was some project all direction collision detection radar to drone
2016-02-08T04:22:50 < kakimir> I think budget was something like 200
2016-02-08T04:30:55 < dongs> the dvi thing is pretty easy to do
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2016-02-08T04:39:48 < kakimir> you should try buying dongs
2016-02-08T04:44:06 < dongs> wat
2016-02-08T04:45:15 < kakimir> or should you?
2016-02-08T04:45:49 < Sync> wat dongs
2016-02-08T04:45:55 < Sync> 6$/h
2016-02-08T04:46:02 < Sync> I'm not even getting out of bed for that
2016-02-08T04:46:28 < dongs> the usb accelerometer? yeah
2016-02-08T04:46:31 < dongs> i was talkin about dvi
2016-02-08T04:50:01 < Sync> ye
2016-02-08T04:50:12 < kakimir> I lost my shit with these freelancerings.. shitty projects keep dropping to my email every 3hours
2016-02-08T04:50:26 < Sync> should sell him your shiets for 7.5k dongs
2016-02-08T04:57:28 < kakimir> but can you buy any good freelancering?
2016-02-08T04:57:38 < kakimir> that is the question of today
2016-02-08T04:57:54 < kakimir> * a day
2016-02-08T04:57:59 < kakimir> and would you
2016-02-08T04:59:32 < dongs> hmmmmmmm
2016-02-08T04:59:37 < dongs> weird
2016-02-08T04:59:47 < dongs> http://andybrown.me.uk/wp-content/images//ksz8051mll/mag45_schematic.png
2016-02-08T04:59:51 < dongs> why is magnetics reversed in this one?
2016-02-08T04:59:55 < dongs> oh wait its not, im stoned
2016-02-08T04:59:57 < dongs> its left to right
2016-02-08T05:00:05 < dongs> i thought RDP/RDN etc was the RJ45 part.
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2016-02-08T05:02:07 < kakimir> what are you doing having ethernets in it?
2016-02-08T05:02:15 < dongs> no this is my  current proj
2016-02-08T05:02:17 < dongs> it works
2016-02-08T05:02:25 < dongs> im just making sure i didnt fuck anything up
2016-02-08T05:03:08 < kakimir> is it poe?
2016-02-08T05:03:17 < dongs> nope
2016-02-08T05:03:24 < dongs> its ethernet to ghettothing
2016-02-08T05:03:36 < dongs> the board actually has a nonstanadrd header that converts into RJ45
2016-02-08T05:04:15 < kakimir> yet another breakout board for some arm cortex chip?
2016-02-08T05:04:26 < dongs> nope
2016-02-08T05:05:46 < kakimir> lets invent freelancing of our own dongs
2016-02-08T05:06:29 < kakimir> stm32-freelancing
2016-02-08T05:07:11 < kakimir> hmm
2016-02-08T05:07:34 < kakimir> not enoght pros to deliver enough stuffs
2016-02-08T05:07:45 < kakimir> *available pros
2016-02-08T05:10:56 < kakimir> too stoned to think> nite dongs
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2016-02-08T05:24:44 < Getty> broncos!
2016-02-08T05:25:40 < Getty> its easy to be for the winner, if you have no attachment to any of the teams at all ;)
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2016-02-08T05:28:56 < dongs> man wtf
2016-02-08T05:29:17 < dongs> lookin for new vacuum cleaner and top rated stuff in JP looks like all some weird dyson shits
2016-02-08T05:31:29 < englishman> this is all you need https://www.shopvac.ca/wet-dry-vacs/vac-details.aspx?vacId=186&vacSKU=96268
2016-02-08T05:32:09 < englishman> dyson is garbage
2016-02-08T05:32:18 < englishman> this is better suction, accessories and filters
2016-02-08T05:32:24 < dongs> haha
2016-02-08T05:32:27 < dongs> dyson is also liek $600
2016-02-08T05:32:28 < dongs> what the fuck
2016-02-08T05:34:12 < Sync> dongs: get a nilfisk
2016-02-08T05:34:26 < dongs> im just ognna get some jappu-made shit
2016-02-08T05:39:52 < Sync> gonna be shit
2016-02-08T05:40:13 < Sync> http://d22ogu887v5ssu.cloudfront.net/media/catalog/product/cache/3/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/1/11120389_1_1.jpg
2016-02-08T05:40:16 < Sync> the best.
2016-02-08T05:47:14 < dongs> dont all those kind use  filter bags
2016-02-08T05:47:21 < dongs> japs figured out how to make vacuumes without filter bags
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2016-02-08T05:50:25 < dongs> hm
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2016-02-08T05:57:11 < englishman> shop-vac aint got no filter bag
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2016-02-08T05:57:34 < englishman> and any filterless aint gonna filter for shit
2016-02-08T06:05:47 < Sync> no they don't dongs
2016-02-08T06:06:08 < Sync> you can get a bag for it, but the filter is a giant thing inside of the barrel
2016-02-08T06:06:28 < Sync> it works the bomb
2016-02-08T06:06:30 < Sync> and is silent
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2016-02-08T06:17:22 < upgrdman> englishman, shop vac offer filter bags.
2016-02-08T06:17:30 < englishman> didnt know that
2016-02-08T06:17:32 < upgrdman> i even have some, but have yet to try them
2016-02-08T06:17:43 < englishman> how would that work?
2016-02-08T06:17:53 < upgrdman> http://www.amazon.com/Shop-Vac-9066700-1-5-Gallon-Around-Collection/dp/B00004RHKR
2016-02-08T06:18:02 < upgrdman> etc
2016-02-08T06:18:07 < upgrdman> it "hugs" the hose hole
2016-02-08T06:19:01 < englishman> weird
2016-02-08T06:19:10 < englishman> but AllAround is their feminine series
2016-02-08T06:20:01 < englishman> i got a hepa filter and used it for drywall, ash etc
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2016-02-08T06:38:51 < upgrdman> found Laurenceb_ http://imgur.com/W2N2cmR
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2016-02-08T07:15:58 < upgrdman> nice computer  http://imgur.com/a/XUtZR
2016-02-08T07:17:46 < dongs> do you just read imgur all day
2016-02-08T07:17:57 < upgrdman> only when i get bored
2016-02-08T07:18:01 < upgrdman> which is ~all day
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2016-02-08T07:36:46 < upgrdman> lol
2016-02-08T07:36:52 < aandrew> yeah but what're you going to do when the rain knocks out the power
2016-02-08T07:37:07 < upgrdman> wait for power :)
2016-02-08T07:38:35 < dongs> stoned
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2016-02-08T10:16:23 < dongs> great
2016-02-08T10:16:28 < dongs> imported a dxf into altidong
2016-02-08T10:16:29 < dongs> now its frozen
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2016-02-08T10:25:57 < zyp> heh
2016-02-08T10:26:18 < dongs> i need to figure out some new workflow for importing gerbers into altium
2016-02-08T10:26:29 < dongs> before I used dicktrace to import gerber, then output dxf which was pretty celan
2016-02-08T10:26:39 < dongs> altidong seems to choke onproduction gerber files that I have and just imports it blank
2016-02-08T10:27:10 < zyp> why are you importing gerbers to altium?
2016-02-08T10:27:23 < dongs> to make programming jigs for paneled boards
2016-02-08T10:27:41 < dongs> so i dont need to fuck around wiht measuring exact drilling postiions and shit
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2016-02-08T10:29:49 < zyp> why not make a footprint of the programming pins for each board, then just use a custom grid that matches the panel spacing when doing the layout?
2016-02-08T10:31:15 < dongs> that would be too easy
2016-02-08T10:31:35 < zyp> oh, forgot that you like doing it the hard way
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2016-02-08T10:35:56 < dongs> nah man
2016-02-08T10:36:01 < dongs> it was so easy with dicktrace/import
2016-02-08T10:36:11 < dongs> i also have to do board outline and offset from dicknplaec rails and shit
2016-02-08T10:39:19 < dongs> fuck
2016-02-08T10:39:22 < dongs> so rage
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2016-02-08T10:48:58 < dongs> cam350 has pads ascii export.
2016-02-08T10:49:06 < dongs> ended up with some garbage pcb that i canty even copy anything out of
2016-02-08T10:49:06 < dongs> fuck
2016-02-08T10:49:13 < dongs> WHYT IS THIS SHIT SO FUCKING HARD
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2016-02-08T11:35:01 < dongs> how the fuck do i invert selection
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2016-02-08T13:49:08 < qyx> Laurenceb: have you considered ZnO2 cells for much awesome logging experience?
2016-02-08T13:50:54 < qyx> their discharge profile looks cool http://blaukatz.com/images/zinc_air_discharge.png
2016-02-08T13:51:32 < qyx> but meh, you wanted rechargeable
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2016-02-08T13:55:36 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/BUILD-ARDUINO-PROTOTYPE-WITH-LINBUS/ attn Laurenceb
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2016-02-08T14:18:50 < kakimir> kicad never frozes
2016-02-08T14:18:57 < Laurenceb> sup
2016-02-08T14:18:57 < dongs> thats easyt
2016-02-08T14:19:00 < kakimir> and never crashes
2016-02-08T14:19:02 < dongs> because you cant fuckign do anything in it
2016-02-08T14:19:15 < Laurenceb> qyx: very low max current last time i checked
2016-02-08T14:20:51 < zyp> qyx, remaining capacity measurement must be fun
2016-02-08T14:21:39 < Laurenceb> I need high peak current for pneumatics and stuff
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2016-02-08T14:30:53 < qyx> zyp: at least you can avoid the vreg
2016-02-08T14:32:07 < dongs> waht good is avoiding vreg if you dont know when its over
2016-02-08T14:32:17 < qyx> troll
2016-02-08T14:35:12 < Laurenceb> hmm
2016-02-08T14:35:23 < Laurenceb> yeah zinc air could make a useful backup cell
2016-02-08T14:35:39 < Laurenceb> no vreg, just a couple of cells to get 2.6v
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2016-02-08T15:28:56 < kakimir> had this idea to limit slew rate without resistors in slow gpio lines
2016-02-08T15:29:12 < kakimir> I first set it as input and set weak pull up
2016-02-08T15:29:26 < kakimir> let it charge up
2016-02-08T15:30:03 < kakimir> after a while I secure it with output driver
2016-02-08T15:39:55 < Laurenceb> wut
2016-02-08T15:40:05 < Laurenceb> just use the slow gpio config
2016-02-08T15:40:10 < Laurenceb> it works really well
2016-02-08T15:40:20 < Laurenceb> nice wedge shaped logic level transitions
2016-02-08T15:44:36 < kakimir> what config?! regards. lpc traitor
2016-02-08T15:44:48 < dongs> ownt
2016-02-08T15:46:04 < rewolff1> IMHO, problem is that with say a 1k pulldown load on the signal, you'll get a rise to about 100mV when you enable the pullup, and then a "nasty" rise to 3.3V when you enable the output.....
2016-02-08T15:48:03 < kakimir> tehre is no pulldown
2016-02-08T15:50:15 < rewolff1> You say so now. You know for sure what the load on that line is going to be? Good, then your solution works. If it is something "external" You might run into the problem I signalled. Or not.
2016-02-08T15:51:33 < kakimir> some logic inputs and pmos gates
2016-02-08T15:52:09 < Laurenceb> lol lpc fail
2016-02-08T15:52:25 < Laurenceb> stm transition time config actually does what it says
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2016-02-08T15:53:26 < kakimir> why doesn't nxp do anything about it?
2016-02-08T15:53:55 < kakimir> is it after all too niche stuff?
2016-02-08T15:56:11 < stukdev> new cubemx and new hal driver...and not my board is really slow to reply to usb :) yeah
2016-02-08T16:02:44 < karlp> heh, found some board at work was using an _actual_ 78L05.
2016-02-08T16:02:52 < karlp> way to burn power guys
2016-02-08T16:11:40 < zyp> why? high quiescent current?
2016-02-08T16:12:27 < kakimir> at least it was not ld1117
2016-02-08T16:12:58 < karlp> yeah, 4-5mA typical quiescent current.
2016-02-08T16:13:12 < karlp> board consumption is ~13typical, ~20max.
2016-02-08T16:13:18 < qyx> well suited for the previously mentioned zinc air cell
2016-02-08T16:13:27 < qyx> 5mA continuous current capability
2016-02-08T16:13:35  * karlp laughs
2016-02-08T16:14:55 < karlp> kakimir: ld1117 is actually better. abotu the same Iq, but better dropout than the 78l05
2016-02-08T16:15:21 < zyp> karlp, oh, haha
2016-02-08T16:16:39 < kakimir> karlp: do you need a replacement there?
2016-02-08T16:17:55 < karlp> not _entirely_, it's mains powered, but that mains power section has some issues, and reducing the load would certainly help.  so getting 20-35% for free would certainly be an improvement.
2016-02-08T16:20:40 < karlp> ap2204 looks like a pretty awesome wholesale replacement for both 78l05 and ld1117 family devices.
2016-02-08T16:23:29 < Sync> speaking of which, does somebody know an off the shelf solution for 24-400V step down stuff?
2016-02-08T16:23:33 < kakimir> guys have you ever measured mcu VCC currents?
2016-02-08T16:23:45 < kakimir> directly at the pin
2016-02-08T16:24:01 < kakimir> measured in time domain
2016-02-08T16:24:16 < kakimir> I just wonder what does that current look like
2016-02-08T16:24:17 < rewolff1> Get a NUCLEO?
2016-02-08T16:24:21 < karlp> Sync: just recently someone had some 4 pin modules, complete 240vac mains in, isolated dc out.
2016-02-08T16:24:50 < kakimir> I already have too many shiets
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2016-02-08T16:25:58 < zyp> karlp, I mentioned some the other day
2016-02-08T16:26:09 < zyp> because I'm looking for the same
2016-02-08T16:26:21 < zyp> Sync, what kind of power are you looking for?
2016-02-08T16:26:36 < zyp> and form factor
2016-02-08T16:28:11 < Ecco> Guys, this is driving me crazy
2016-02-08T16:28:17 < Ecco> I'm linking a binary with gcc
2016-02-08T16:28:32 < kakimir> turn LTO off
2016-02-08T16:28:35 < Ecco> and the output produced has undefined symbols (arm-none-eabi-nm give me "U" symbols)
2016-02-08T16:28:41 < karlp> hrm, seems i didn't add them to the zypnips.
2016-02-08T16:28:55 < karlp> Lux: was it you that had the teardown of the mains PCB mount supply module?
2016-02-08T16:29:03 < Ecco> how comes GCC accepts to link this without throwing an "undefined symbol" error?
2016-02-08T16:29:40 < mitrax> is it normal for an RS485 driver to cause noise on the bus when it takes ownership? i have two boards (with the same driver hardware on each side) connected and strangely one side causes a frame error on the other end as soon as the DE line is set high, but the other don't... different MCU on each side though, F0 and F4
2016-02-08T16:29:56 < Sync> karlp: I get DC in
2016-02-08T16:29:58 < mitrax> don't/doesn't
2016-02-08T16:30:45 < Sync> zyp: not much, maybe 1-2W at 15V or so
2016-02-08T16:30:48 < karlp> mitrax: line biasing?
2016-02-08T16:30:58 < mitrax> karlp: i don't have any at the moment
2016-02-08T16:31:01 < karlp> and do you have input pullups on the rx line?
2016-02-08T16:31:35 < Sync> karlp zyp we are currently looking at the viper06 from st
2016-02-08T16:31:55 < karlp> line biasing really helped with some glitches for us. it's pretty recommended as "you always want this" but it certaily adds to the power consumption of the system
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2016-02-08T16:32:43 < mitrax> karlp: i don't have internal pullup configured on the rx pin yeah
2016-02-08T16:32:47 < zyp> Sync, how's the footprint for that?
2016-02-08T16:32:56 < zyp> I need something small
2016-02-08T16:32:57 < mitrax> karlp: err i mean i DO have
2016-02-08T16:34:07 < Sync> sso10/dip7 + shit zyp
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2016-02-08T16:40:03 < mitrax> ah seems like one driver is faulty
2016-02-08T16:40:27 < mitrax> karlp: aren't ISL83483 supposedly protected from a shortcut on the bus?
2016-02-08T16:42:29 < zyp> Sync, well, I mean total price for solution
2016-02-08T16:42:35 < zyp> total area*
2016-02-08T16:43:12 < Sync> ye sure, but that depends on your app :D
2016-02-08T16:43:35 < Sync> but idk, maybe 3x1cm or something
2016-02-08T16:44:22 < zyp> including transformer and everything?
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2016-02-08T16:50:29 < zyp> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/data_brief/DM00095072.pdf <- this doesn't look super small
2016-02-08T16:50:44 < Sync> that is because it is isolated
2016-02-08T16:51:14 < zyp> yes, I need it isolated
2016-02-08T16:51:40 < zyp> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/data_brief/DM00079728.pdf <- this doesn't look super small either
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2016-02-08T16:54:24 < chris_99> i'm just looking @ the schematic http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM116/SC959/SS1532/PF254044 the recommended way of using USB FS, is to use resistors on D+/D- right? (i'm just asking as i thought when i used a PIC32, i didn't need them)
2016-02-08T16:55:44 < zyp> chris_99, which chip?
2016-02-08T16:55:48 < kakimir> I already forgot what those off the line bucks are used for
2016-02-08T16:56:02 < kakimir> instead of typical transformers
2016-02-08T16:56:47 < kakimir> remind me
2016-02-08T16:56:48 < chris_99> STM32F302VC zyp is what i'm looking at, at the moment
2016-02-08T16:56:52 < zyp> Sync, http://www.xppower.com/Portals/0/pdfs/SF_ECE05-10.pdf <- I'm considering this
2016-02-08T16:58:51 < zyp> chris_99, I have a board based on F3, which also have external termination resistors
2016-02-08T16:59:02 < zyp> you also need the D+ pullup
2016-02-08T16:59:33 < chris_99> ok, cheers!
2016-02-08T17:01:52 < Sync> well zyp they have assloads of caps on there
2016-02-08T17:02:24 < zyp> kakimir, it's simpler/cheaper, and if the internal circuit is fully isolated, it's okay for it to be live
2016-02-08T17:03:27 < Sync> or you are swiching mains anyways
2016-02-08T17:03:46 < zyp> Sync, that xp power thing looks like they took a transformer and stuffed the rest of the part around it where they could fit them
2016-02-08T17:04:16 < zyp> so it's probably more compact than what you'd get with discrete components anyway
2016-02-08T17:04:39 < Sync> probably
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2016-02-08T17:18:55 < karlp> mitrax: never looked at shortcuts sorry, but just some unknown states when you don't have biasein on the lines
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2016-02-08T17:55:41 < mitrax> uh oh i think i know what's wrong, the TX pin on the mcu is dead
2016-02-08T17:56:00 < mitrax> 0V instead of +3V when idling
2016-02-08T17:56:29 < mitrax> no wonder i had a framing error when turning DE high
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2016-02-08T18:13:34 < kakimir> zyp: got it
2016-02-08T18:13:56 < rewolff1> zyp: Annoying converters. Can ONLY be used at 10000 ft height. (they don't specify it as a maximum.... :-) )
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2016-02-08T18:23:34 < inca> has anyone used the One-Time Programmable feature for stm32f4?
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2016-02-08T18:26:53 < jpa-> inca: i have
2016-02-08T18:30:45 < inca> jpa-: looking for the best way to have some persistent data across flashes to a f4 device, such as SN, MAC addr, etc. ~24 bytes. The two options I see are OTP and regular flash protection via Option bytes.
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2016-02-08T18:32:09 < jpa-> yeah, i used OTP to store serial number
2016-02-08T18:32:32 < jpa-> works fine, and if the OTP part is a problem you can have a flash area dedicated as a "override"
2016-02-08T18:33:23 < inca> makes sense... it's looks straight forward. Just flash the OTP address, write the lock register.
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2016-02-08T18:34:39 < jpa-> IIRC i did the otp flashing through the dfu bootloader, same as was used for production programming
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2016-02-08T18:38:39 < inca> makes sense... I wonder if they have USB in a way that would support DFU. hmm
2016-02-08T18:39:29  * inca looks for boot0 pin
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2016-02-08T18:39:57 < inca> Tectu!
2016-02-08T18:40:20 < jpa-> eveyones favourite chatter!
2016-02-08T18:40:40 < Tectu> inca! long time no see
2016-02-08T18:40:44 < Tectu> Hi jpa-
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2016-02-08T18:50:41 < inca> boot0 is exposed... and the usb seems to be in order
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2016-02-08T19:00:26 < emeb> Tectu: saw you posted some in the embitz forum re stm32f7xx
2016-02-08T19:00:42 < emeb> did you ever get that working?
2016-02-08T19:04:04 < Tectu> emeb, can you remind me by linking the thread here? I have had too many issues with embitz
2016-02-08T19:11:09 < emeb> http://www.emblocks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=630
2016-02-08T19:11:16 < emeb> Tectu: ^^
2016-02-08T19:12:01 < Tectu> emeb, no, never got that working. I even tried a couple of weeks ago again
2016-02-08T19:12:23 < Tectu> emeb, for me, EmBlocks/EmBitz is dead. It´s a shame. it´s such a nice IDE, but the stuff is like 3 years behind
2016-02-08T19:12:39 < emeb> Tectu: Yeah - it's a nice IDE but not well maintained.
2016-02-08T19:12:46 < Tectu> it´s a nice IDE if you want to use some microcontroller from world-war two but anything more recent...
2016-02-08T19:12:59 < Tectu> emeb, yep, that´s a general problem with that IDE, not only with platform support
2016-02-08T19:13:04 < emeb> Tectu: what do you use when building for STM32 on Windows?
2016-02-08T19:13:15 < Tectu> emeb, vi & make
2016-02-08T19:13:22 < emeb> Tectu: heh
2016-02-08T19:13:29 < Tectu> emeb, depending on the project Keil µVision, but that is nothing I like to use
2016-02-08T19:13:40 < Tectu> emeb, I tried a shit load of IDEs, really
2016-02-08T19:13:54 < emeb> I prefer simple editor / make as well but have some clients who demand an IDE.
2016-02-08T19:14:00 < emeb> Haven't found a good one yet.
2016-02-08T19:14:05 < Tectu> emeb, indeed. That is why I got a Keil Pro license - not because I want to use it
2016-02-08T19:14:17 < Tectu> emeb, as a final resport, I can recommend checking this one out:  http://www.rowley.co.uk/arm/
2016-02-08T19:14:24 < kakimir> Laurenceb: http://i.imgur.com/830E2Lr.jpg what is happening in this 1993 picture?
2016-02-08T19:14:25 < Tectu> emeb, that´s a very well maintained IDE
2016-02-08T19:14:51 < emeb> Tectu: yes - Rowley is nice. I bought a personal-use license from them years ago.
2016-02-08T19:15:06 < Tectu> emeb, glad to hear that. I only managed to download it so far - currently very busy
2016-02-08T19:15:16 < emeb> but haven't used it much due to the constraints they put on it. (No commercial use, etc).
2016-02-08T19:15:40 < Tectu> emeb, yeah, that´s a shame. 1.5k is a lot of money for people like us
2016-02-08T19:15:50 < emeb> Tectu: we've tried Atollic True Studio - it's pretty awful.
2016-02-08T19:15:58 < Tectu> emeb, that I figured too ;)
2016-02-08T19:16:13 < emeb> Uses outdated compilers & ST-Link GDB stubs that conflict with everything else.
2016-02-08T19:16:19 < Tectu> hahahaha
2016-02-08T19:16:33 < emeb> Only supports Cortex M7 via M4 compatibility
2016-02-08T19:16:42 < Tectu> oh dear
2016-02-08T19:17:05 < emeb> Takes several minutes to start up. First time you run debugger it always fails & must be restarted,
2016-02-08T19:17:43 < Laurenceb> kakimir: queen is executing peasant scum
2016-02-08T19:17:50 < emeb> Seems very amateurish.
2016-02-08T19:18:08 < Laurenceb> to make tasty protein shakes
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2016-02-08T19:18:41 < Tectu> emeb, hmm
2016-02-08T19:18:52 < Tectu> emeb, well, I guess I will try to get a free commercial license from rowley
2016-02-08T19:19:05 < Tectu> emeb, just as I did with Keil. I didn´t pay 9k for that Pro license :P
2016-02-08T19:19:06 < emeb> Tectu: is that possible?
2016-02-08T19:19:21 < emeb> Because you're developing uGFX?
2016-02-08T19:19:30 < Tectu> emeb, if you tell them that you have customers (ugfx) that want to use that IDE but you cannot recommend using it because you never tested your software on it then yes, it´s fairly possible
2016-02-08T19:19:51 < emeb> Tectu: nice angle. Too bad I can't use that one. :)
2016-02-08T19:19:58 < Tectu> emeb, hehe
2016-02-08T19:20:20 < Tectu> emeb, sorry that I can´t help you out with a license there. But those free licenses usually come with the agreement that they will only be used by ugfx developers
2016-02-08T19:20:47 < emeb> Tectu: I understand - no problem. (wasn't asking) :)
2016-02-08T19:21:35 < kakimir> Laurenceb: how long queens live?
2016-02-08T19:21:39 < Tectu> emeb, the only problem I have with   vi & make   is no sane debugger :(
2016-02-08T19:21:47 < kakimir> isn't that your queen like 150years old?
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2016-02-08T19:22:20 < Laurenceb> over 9000 due to reptilian dna
2016-02-08T19:22:44 < kakimir> yes
2016-02-08T19:23:24 < emeb> Tectu: yes - that's the main reason my clients want an IDE.
2016-02-08T19:23:33 < kakimir> how would 900year lifetime feel
2016-02-08T19:24:10 < Laurenceb> how would baby be formed
2016-02-08T19:25:01 < kakimir> full grown Laurenceb comes out the womb
2016-02-08T19:25:18 < emeb> Laurenceb: kakimir: --> http://jalopnik.com/that-time-queen-elizabeth-ii-scared-the-shit-out-of-a-1681462504
2016-02-08T19:25:20 < jpa-> and laurence's mother is scarred for life
2016-02-08T19:25:58 < Laurenceb> well she is wearing a headscarf
2016-02-08T19:26:43 < Laurenceb> so he should be ok with it
2016-02-08T19:28:10 < emeb> Probably why Saudi's don't let ladies drive.
2016-02-08T19:28:45 < emeb> "That time some old lady scared the crap out of the king..."
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2016-02-08T19:47:46 < inca> jpa-: what did you use to build the dfu file? stm dfu file manager, or something else?
2016-02-08T19:48:32 < jpa-> inca: i just took the st's dfu library and made custom c# program to drive it
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2016-02-08T21:16:17 < upgrdman_> i know book are so 90's, but anyone know of a nice book on c# that is aimed at people who know how to program but dont know c#?
2016-02-08T21:17:00 < jpa-> nope, but if you find one please send it back to 2007 when i needed it
2016-02-08T21:20:06 < artag> is c# still a thing ? MS technolgies don't usually last more than about 3 years before being replaced
2016-02-08T21:22:16 < jpa-> artag: sure it is a thing, and it is actually a decent language and runs fine on linux also
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2016-02-08T21:23:28 < chris_99> i'm just wondering, do you guys generally include a jlink connector on your boards if you want to reprogram the STM, if so is there a particular sized connector, you'd recommend going for? (i was looking at a 20pin one)
2016-02-08T21:23:58 < jpa-> i usually just put SWD pins, so 4 pin header
2016-02-08T21:24:28 < emeb> nrst and swo are handy too, so I use 6 pin header.
2016-02-08T21:24:45 < jpa-> nrst is part of 4 pin for me :P
2016-02-08T21:25:00 < jpa-> but yeah, it varies, sometimes i put SWO also and sometimes debug serial also
2016-02-08T21:25:02 < emeb> no vcc?
2016-02-08T21:25:14 < jpa-> no, never saw point of that
2016-02-08T21:25:34 < emeb> It's rarely used correctly (sense voltage)
2016-02-08T21:26:14 < chris_99> cheers guys, that seems more sensible than a bulky connector
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2016-02-08T22:11:52 < kakimir> hello sexuals
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2016-02-08T22:54:06 < upgrdman_> wtf. are some of the pins on the lpc1768 open-drain only?
2016-02-08T22:54:30 < upgrdman_> config'd a couple as "normal" (non-OD) mode, but they function like OD
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2016-02-08T23:02:02 < upgrdman_> ahahah fuck me. "Port 0 pins 27 and 28 should be set up using the I2CPADCFG register if they are used for an I 2 C-bus. Bits
2016-02-08T23:02:02 < upgrdman_> 27 and 28 of PINMODE_OD0 do not have any affect on these pins, they are special open drain I 2 C-bus
2016-02-08T23:02:03 < upgrdman_> compatible pins"
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2016-02-08T23:10:48 < zyp> dongs, turns out I fucked up that nfc board
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2016-02-08T23:11:30 < zyp> I spent most time worrying about the RF side, so I forgot going over the SPI interface
2016-02-08T23:12:03 < zyp> nfc chip got an IRQ_IN pin that I didn't connect, turns out it's required to wake up the chip
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2016-02-08T23:23:36 < mitrax> zyp: booooo!
2016-02-08T23:23:41 < kakimir> upgrdman_: and do not have pull up in them by default
2016-02-08T23:24:43 < zyp> greenwiring this is going to be fun, since it's a fucking qfn chip
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2016-02-08T23:47:57 < mitrax> my RS-485 driver fried the TX pin of my F0 after the bus got shorted to the ground (the RS485 side, not the actual TX/DI line), i don't really have room for an extra optocoupler, do you think adding a schottky diode and a pull down on the line in between could cause transmission problems? (speed is < 0.5Mbps)
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2016-02-08T23:49:42 < zyp> get a better rs485 driver
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2016-02-08T23:51:23 < zyp> by the way, does __attribute__((packed)) change the alignment requirements of a struct?
2016-02-08T23:51:51 < zyp> I ported some older code to this M0+ board, and it hardfaulted because one of the structs became unaligned
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2016-02-08T23:53:35 < gxti> meaning the starting address? i doubt it
2016-02-08T23:53:59 < zyp> well, it did
2016-02-08T23:54:03 < Lux> karlp: you mean that chinese psu module ? http://lygte-info.dk/review/Power%20Mains%20to%205V%200.6A%20Hi-Link%20HLK-PM01%20UK.html
2016-02-08T23:54:14 < Lux> reminds me that i wanted to order one
2016-02-08T23:54:37 < upgrdman_> kakimir, have you done anything with the lpc adc?
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2016-02-08T23:55:24 < gxti> zyp: you could try adding aligned(4) to the attributes as well
2016-02-08T23:55:27 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/1f3Pk
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2016-02-08T23:57:22 < zyp> as a quick workaround, I moved one of the pending_ vars in between cbw and csw
2016-02-08T23:57:29 < zyp> they are 32bit, and that fixed it
2016-02-08T23:57:35 < kakimir> upgrdman_: something
2016-02-08T23:57:41 < kakimir> what is your question
2016-02-08T23:58:42 < upgrdman_> kakimir, trying to get individual samples from the ADC, but the ISR keeps immediated firing after exiting. as far as i can tell, there is no flag i need to clear to indicate the interrupt has been handled?
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2016-02-09T00:00:10 < zyp> upgrdman_, I think you have to use DMA
2016-02-09T00:00:18 < zyp> oh, wait, lpc
2016-02-09T00:00:20 < zyp> disregard me
2016-02-09T00:01:23 < mitrax> zyp: any non-intersil reference comes to mind?
2016-02-09T00:01:48 < zyp> idk
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2016-02-09T00:05:29 < upgrdman_> kakimir, hmm. nevermind, i fixed it.
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2016-02-09T00:05:52 < upgrdman_> kakimir, for some reason, the ISR didn't like me reading from the global data register, so i read from the channel-specific data registers
2016-02-09T00:06:08 < upgrdman_> weird, since the user manual says i can use the global data register. oh well.
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2016-02-09T00:22:47 < kakimir> so reading the value cleared it?
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2016-02-09T00:27:29 < kakimir> it is how it works iirc.
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2016-02-09T01:07:51 < upgrdman_> kakimir, i know you have to read the sample to clear it. but you can supposedly read from a "global" data register, or one of the 8 channel-specific data registers. it didn't like me reading from the global one. i wonder what the point of the global one is, if you can't use it.
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2016-02-09T01:16:03 < kakimir> point is when you have one freerunning shiet
2016-02-09T01:16:16 < kakimir> that you switch time to time
2016-02-09T01:16:21 < kakimir> and do not have interrupt
2016-02-09T01:16:51 < upgrdman_> k
2016-02-09T01:17:26 < kakimir> just an example
2016-02-09T01:20:17 < kakimir> I wounder how to scale my rails
2016-02-09T01:20:51 < kakimir> maybe I pick by input voltage suiting high resistor
2016-02-09T01:21:05 < kakimir> then pick low resistor so it falls in range
2016-02-09T01:21:52 < kakimir> oh.. the thing was to.. pick resistance so there would be certain current
2016-02-09T01:22:19 < kakimir> in divider
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2016-02-09T01:34:58 < emeb> Tectu: Tried out OpenSTM32.org System Workbench. Seems to work OK.
2016-02-09T01:35:22 < emeb> It's Eclipse so it's a PITA of course, but it builds code for STM32F7 without too much drama.
2016-02-09T01:35:31 < Tectu> emeb, glad to hear that!
2016-02-09T01:35:43 < Tectu> emeb, I wish that there was some law against eclipse
2016-02-09T01:36:03 < emeb> Tectu: I'm starting to get Stockholm syndrome re Eclipse.
2016-02-09T01:36:08 < Tectu> lol
2016-02-09T01:36:16 < Tectu> I am not saying eclipse is bad. It´s just horrible to use
2016-02-09T01:36:25 < Tectu> which makes it a bad IDE
2016-02-09T01:36:42 < emeb> Yeah - lots of non-intuitive stuff going on there.
2016-02-09T01:37:47 < Tectu> emeb, have you ever worked with InteliJ?
2016-02-09T01:38:14 < emeb> Tectu: no, never. Not a java guy.
2016-02-09T01:38:41 < Tectu> emeb, InteliJ does non-java stuf too.
2016-02-09T01:39:35 < Tectu> emeb, https://www.jetbrains.com/clion/
2016-02-09T01:40:45 < emeb> Tectu: Interesting - I think I've heard of clion
2016-02-09T01:40:48 < kakimir> why does my ltspice say 1M 56k 60volt divider current is 1mA
2016-02-09T01:41:16 < emeb> special kind of mA?
2016-02-09T01:41:44 < kakimir> it should be 0.06mA
2016-02-09T01:41:46 < kakimir> or so
2016-02-09T01:42:25 < emeb> I know - rounding error.
2016-02-09T01:43:11 < kakimir> i tried to play with those precisions in settings
2016-02-09T01:44:30 < kakimir> got nothing
2016-02-09T01:56:50 < karlp> whee, f7disco turned up from the st workshop promo :)
2016-02-09T01:56:58 < karlp> tnt to the door!
2016-02-09T02:03:11 < upgrdman> what do windows fags use for ssh? i have teraterm but maybe something's better?
2016-02-09T02:04:29 < englishman> putty?
2016-02-09T02:04:42 < englishman> or for file transfer, winscp
2016-02-09T02:12:44 < kakimir> puttytray
2016-02-09T02:15:08 < dongs> zyp: oops
2016-02-09T02:15:15 < dongs> cant goldwire that shit?
2016-02-09T02:15:18 < dongs> or did you tie it to gnd
2016-02-09T02:15:20 < dongs> or just forgot
2016-02-09T02:20:32 < artag> i've got a jolly tomorrow with ST on the 32L4. Is there anything I should nag them about ?
2016-02-09T02:20:57 < dongs> tell them to kill whoever wrote cube
2016-02-09T02:21:03 < dongs> jk, tell them cube is the best thing ever
2016-02-09T02:21:06 < artag> I was thinking of that, yeah
2016-02-09T02:21:13 < englishman> ask them to use cube internally before releasing it
2016-02-09T02:21:17 < dongs> haha
2016-02-09T02:21:24 < artag> that's just crual
2016-02-09T02:21:27 < artag> cruel
2016-02-09T02:22:11 < dongs> fuck, received a box of parts from HK for  RC cars, nothing is labeled at all just barcode + turdigy text
2016-02-09T02:22:17 < dongs> now i gotta track back and see what shit goes where
2016-02-09T02:22:35 < karlp> Tectu: clion isn't intellij, intellij and clion are both made by jetbrains...
2016-02-09T02:22:58 < Tectu> karlp, it´s the same underlying framework
2016-02-09T02:23:07 < Tectu> karlp, just different ´plugins´
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2016-02-09T02:23:37 < Tectu> karlp, but yes, it was of course not correct.
2016-02-09T02:25:35 < karlp> mitrax: I've had blown rs485 transceivers, never blown pins,
2016-02-09T02:25:55 < karlp> Lux: thanks :)
2016-02-09T02:26:21 < karlp> mitrax: we're using the intersil transceivers too
2016-02-09T02:28:00 < dongs> god damn FUCKING RS
2016-02-09T02:28:04 < dongs> i fucking hate them
2016-02-09T02:28:45 < dongs> I ordered some shit that said "next day shipping"
2016-02-09T02:28:53 < dongs> didnt fucking even pay attention to email when they sent acceptance
2016-02-09T02:28:59 < dongs> on site says next day delivery
2016-02-09T02:29:09 < dongs> on email says "stock outside of coutnry, ships in 4 days"
2016-02-09T02:29:15 < dongs> fucking pieces of shit
2016-02-09T02:29:25 < dongs> wawsted one fucking day until I noticed the shit didnt fuckign arrive
2016-02-09T02:30:00 < karlp> Tectu: well, the clion plugin isn't available in anything else yet, so it's not like their other plguins :)
2016-02-09T02:30:16 < karlp> clion's nice, but not really usable til they add makefile support, and proper cross tooling,
2016-02-09T02:30:31 < karlp> the cmake hacking to make it work for cross compielrs is just vile and way too hacky at the moment.
2016-02-09T02:31:01 < karlp> was lovely for a cleanslate project I started with cmake, but.... that's not something I can do all the time
2016-02-09T02:31:02 < Tectu> karlp, indeed. those are the two reasons why I don´t use clion :)
2016-02-09T02:31:08 < dongs> and i cant get through them to fucking bitch at them
2016-02-09T02:31:25 < karlp> Tectu: I'm a watcher on the tickets of interest, it will happen though :)
2016-02-09T02:31:26 < Tectu> time for some sleep
2016-02-09T02:31:27 < Tectu> cu folks
2016-02-09T02:31:34 < Tectu> karlp, nice :)
2016-02-09T02:31:48 < Tectu> karlp, clion will definitely be an interesting choice in the future
2016-02-09T02:32:43 < Tectu> g´night
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2016-02-09T02:59:35 < dongs> got a jap angry, nice
2016-02-09T02:59:41 < dongs> told them their site is fucking unusable garbage
2016-02-09T02:59:51 < dongs> "well if you dont like it, then dont use us!!!!!!!!!!"
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2016-02-09T03:47:07 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/Wq1g4.jpg
2016-02-09T03:47:13 < ReadError> wtf is that
2016-02-09T03:52:05 < ReadError> The system clock is HCLK, fPCLK1 = fHCLK/4, and fPCLK2 = fHCLK/2.
2016-02-09T03:52:23 < ReadError> guess thats related
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2016-02-09T04:39:53 < upgrdman> what caliber are those? look thinner than 50bmg
2016-02-09T04:40:10 < upgrdman> shit dangling from your mirroe
2016-02-09T04:40:12 < upgrdman> mirror
2016-02-09T04:40:19 < upgrdman> gay
2016-02-09T04:40:35 < upgrdman> dude, you can buy real 50 bmg for not too much
2016-02-09T04:41:00 < dongs> why do you have a front camera
2016-02-09T04:41:07 < dongs> wiht those red lines
2016-02-09T04:41:20 < dongs> is it rear?
2016-02-09T04:41:23 < dongs> why the fuck is it on while y oure driving
2016-02-09T04:41:49 < dongs> oh lol
2016-02-09T04:41:58 < dongs> man, i never seen that working in japcars
2016-02-09T04:44:11 < englishman> russians and their dashcams and their random knives hanging everywhere
2016-02-09T04:46:50 < upgrdman> ammo, not knives
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2016-02-09T05:37:03 < upgrdman> ugfx iirc?
2016-02-09T05:38:03 < upgrdman> fuck if i no. i code my own shit
2016-02-09T05:38:12 < upgrdman> since i dont need much
2016-02-09T05:39:20 < upgrdman> i think aidsfruit has some shit libs for the shit lcds they sell?
2016-02-09T05:39:34 < upgrdman> draw_penis_on_lcd();
2016-02-09T05:39:35 < upgrdman> etc.
2016-02-09T05:40:18 < upgrdman> tectu does some shit
2016-02-09T05:40:27 < upgrdman> ping him, iirc it's open sauce
2016-02-09T05:41:05 < dongs> ugfx, lol
2016-02-09T05:41:09 < dongs> there's that shit from segger
2016-02-09T05:41:11 < dongs> thats free-ish
2016-02-09T05:41:14 < dongs> emWin
2016-02-09T05:41:23 < dongs> i think its bundled wiht a bunch of stuff for free
2016-02-09T05:41:28 < dongs> or you can pay for it
2016-02-09T05:42:25 < Sync> 2 pro for r2pro
2016-02-09T05:44:02 < upgrdman> R2COM, iirc this was done with ugfx  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmpKC9ODH8c
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2016-02-09T06:08:55 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7aEiVwBAdk
2016-02-09T06:11:04 < jadew> I expected John Locke from Lost to walk in at any time
2016-02-09T06:14:04 < jadew> that's a bummer
2016-02-09T06:14:45 < jadew> I imagine it's worse than eclipse based stuff
2016-02-09T06:15:07 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMTGgNfaicA
2016-02-09T06:16:19 < jadew> I do, but I'd give it up for something better if I found something
2016-02-09T06:16:32 < jadew> heh
2016-02-09T06:17:32 < jadew> I don't beautify my code, I write it like that
2016-02-09T06:18:02 < jadew> I wouldn't like some automated tool to take decisions regarding code layout in my place
2016-02-09T06:18:13 < jadew> you select and hit tab
2016-02-09T06:18:25 < jadew> you can tab entire sections
2016-02-09T06:18:36 < jadew> and tab them back with shift + tab
2016-02-09T06:19:19 < jadew> that would seem simpler than using some plugin, no?
2016-02-09T06:20:10 < jadew> yeah, don't know, I'm very particular about how I arrange my code and my coding style is very lax
2016-02-09T06:20:19 < jadew> so I tend to arrange code so it's easy to read
2016-02-09T06:20:27 < dongs> er
2016-02-09T06:20:29 < jadew> (without following a convention)
2016-02-09T06:20:36 < dongs> isnt it ctrl+a, ctrl+k+f
2016-02-09T06:20:38 < dongs> to format in vs?
2016-02-09T06:20:40 < dongs> but it only works for C#
2016-02-09T06:20:43 < dongs> not for C
2016-02-09T06:20:47 < jadew> dongs, don't know, I never do that
2016-02-09T06:21:00 < dongs> i always write beautifully indented code by default
2016-02-09T06:21:04 < dongs> and consistent s pacing etc.
2016-02-09T06:21:12 < dongs> so I dont need to reformat it
2016-02-09T06:21:21 < jadew> same here
2016-02-09T06:21:27 < dongs> if your code needs reformatting after it works, youre doing it wrong
2016-02-09T06:21:37 < dongs> then your code is probly shit
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2016-02-09T06:21:47 < dongs> if you need to copy it that much, then you should put it in a separate function :)
2016-02-09T06:22:20 < jadew> I think VS indents pasted code automatically
2016-02-09T06:22:24 < jadew> or is that visual assist?
2016-02-09T06:23:04 < jadew> I enjoy that feature, I always think that it saved me a bit of time
2016-02-09T06:23:11 < jadew> I don't
2016-02-09T06:23:17 < jadew> I just write code like that
2016-02-09T06:23:27 < jadew> it's not something I think about
2016-02-09T06:23:39 < jadew> it's a reflex
2016-02-09T06:23:45 < jadew> I don't pay attention to that stuff
2016-02-09T06:23:51 < jadew> it's just like CTRL+S
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2016-02-09T06:25:10 < jadew> you probably think that writing code that is already formated takes a lot of time, but it doesn't
2016-02-09T06:25:29 < jadew> it's just like writing text
2016-02-09T06:26:42 < jadew> it might be, but I don't notice it anymore
2016-02-09T06:27:00 < jadew> I've wrote code for a big part of my life in text-based editors
2016-02-09T06:27:11 < jadew> there were no fancy features in there
2016-02-09T06:28:41 < jadew> but don't you have to press ctrl + a, some other key combo all the time?
2016-02-09T06:29:02 < jadew> because you have to read your own code all the time
2016-02-09T06:29:08 < jadew> even as you write it
2016-02-09T06:29:30 < dongs>  < R2COM> i do not perform that action, i just quickly write, and only at the very end make 2 fucking button presses
2016-02-09T06:29:33 < dongs> wrong
2016-02-09T06:29:38 < dongs> you have to think about writing non-shit code as you write it
2016-02-09T06:29:43 < dongs> thats just a proper mindset
2016-02-09T06:29:50 < dongs> if you write shit from beginning, it stays shit, even if you reindent it
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2016-02-09T06:31:05 < jadew> there isn't even much that you need to do
2016-02-09T06:31:24 < jadew> most editors take care of properly indenting when you hit enter
2016-02-09T06:31:37 < jadew> if you say if (whatever)<enter>
2016-02-09T06:31:50 < jadew> it will indent
2016-02-09T06:32:27 < jadew> so just select it and hit tab / shift + tab to position it where you need it
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2016-02-09T06:35:25 < jadew> c++14
2016-02-09T06:35:36 < jadew> probably their new target
2016-02-09T06:35:37 < jadew> don't know
2016-02-09T06:36:12 < jadew> whatever the latest gcc supports
2016-02-09T06:36:29 < jadew> I think it's c++14, but I'm not sure if they implemented everything
2016-02-09T06:36:33 < jadew> most of it should be there tho
2016-02-09T06:45:04 < jadew> I thought I always wrote well formatted code, but it doesn't seem to be quite true
2016-02-09T06:45:09 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/files/USA.PAS
2016-02-09T06:45:17 < jadew> this is from 17+ years ago
2016-02-09T06:45:36 < jadew> the file says '96, but I'm not that sure
2016-02-09T06:46:06 < dongs> usa.pas more like deathtousa.pas
2016-02-09T06:46:16 < jadew> lol, it means door
2016-02-09T06:46:40 < jadew> I made it so it checks when my door was opened last (during the night)
2016-02-09T06:47:12 < jadew> so when I came back from outside I would know when my grandmother checked to see if I'm back
2016-02-09T06:47:36 < jadew> I used to sneak out
2016-02-09T06:47:41 < dongs> loler
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2016-02-09T06:53:25 < jadew> my code looks nothing like that now
2016-02-09T06:53:38 < jadew> I was 12-13 yo back then
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2016-02-09T06:56:33 < jadew> nice, I had 2 programming teachers that were female, both ugly
2016-02-09T06:57:37 < jadew> ah, my teachers didn't have anything to do with my code, ever
2016-02-09T06:57:39 < dongs> r2bro always brings up totally relevant topics
2016-02-09T06:58:33 < dongs> Delivery:
2016-02-09T06:58:34 < dongs> Estimated between Thu. Mar. 3 and Tue. Apr. 26
2016-02-09T06:58:35 < dongs> haha
2016-02-09T06:58:40 < dongs> fucking ebay lol
2016-02-09T06:58:51 < jadew> it's the chinese new year
2016-02-09T06:58:57 < dongs> its a seller in germany
2016-02-09T06:59:00 < jadew> ah
2016-02-09T06:59:16 < jadew> well, it probably has to do with the chinese new year
2016-02-09T06:59:30 < jadew> he won't be able to order your stuff from china until the 20th of this month
2016-02-09T06:59:34 < jadew> so do the math
2016-02-09T06:59:53 < jadew> has to get to him from China and then he'll have to send it to you
2016-02-09T07:15:37 < dongs> Heh
2016-02-09T07:16:28 < dongs> http://www.sdapo.com/Module/PM3812TV7.html chinaboard for when you're too lazy to do it yourself
2016-02-09T07:37:58 < dongs> http://shop.fsf.org/product/signed-rms-photo-print/
2016-02-09T07:38:37 < jadew> lol
2016-02-09T08:04:10 < dongs> if you want
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2016-02-09T10:03:27 < zyp> dongs, it's floating so it should be possible, just annoying since it's qfn
2016-02-09T10:03:49 < dongs> right
2016-02-09T10:04:03 < dongs> well, i'm up for redoing it anytime, as long as bills are paid :)
2016-02-09T10:04:18 < zyp> haha, of course
2016-02-09T10:04:30 < dongs> when int is floating ts dead?
2016-02-09T10:04:35 < dongs> making it high turns on?
2016-02-09T10:04:41 < dongs> you cant just permanently tie it somewehre like next pin or something?
2016-02-09T10:05:04 < zyp> I think it needs the actual edges
2016-02-09T10:05:14 < dongs> oh, fail
2016-02-09T10:07:15 < zyp> I tried poking it to see if I could get noise to wake it up, but I couldn't get anything to happen
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2016-02-09T10:07:38 < zyp> solder equipment is still in a moving box somewhere, and I was too lazy to dig out that yesterday
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2016-02-09T10:29:23 < dongs> hmm
2016-02-09T10:29:38 < dongs> there was a displaydong to twisted pair transceiver thingy on digikey in 2011
2016-02-09T10:29:41 < dongs> from IDT
2016-02-09T10:29:46 < dongs> got EOL'd due to "declining market"
2016-02-09T10:29:50 < dongs> i could surely use that right about now
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2016-02-09T12:43:59 < dongs> sup pros
2016-02-09T12:46:20 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/35521859/a-quarter-of-a-million-uk-students-now-using-sugar-daddies-according-to-app
2016-02-09T12:48:53 < dongs> why are two 30 years old females standing over some old dude
2016-02-09T12:48:57 < dongs> in an article titled "studetns"
2016-02-09T12:50:20 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2016-02-09T12:50:35 < Laurenceb_> but I'm still signing up
2016-02-09T12:50:53 < Laurenceb_> with all my pcb pro layout cash
2016-02-09T12:52:14 < PeterM> nice try harry
2016-02-09T12:54:09 < PeterM> dongie where do you source your rotary encoders from, im kinda reluctant to get my chinaguy to source them
2016-02-09T12:54:33 < dongs> you mnean just regular clicky shits?
2016-02-09T12:54:39 < dongs> best korea pals buys locally I think
2016-02-09T12:55:00 < PeterM> soemthign like this http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/EN11-VSM1AF20/987-1192-ND/2408770
2016-02-09T12:55:11 < dongs> right angle, you cunt
2016-02-09T12:55:12 < dongs> but yeah
2016-02-09T12:55:16 < dongs> liek that except vertical mount
2016-02-09T12:55:18 < dongs> is the stuff i use
2016-02-09T12:55:20 < PeterM> yeah, RS ones are fucked
2016-02-09T12:55:26 < PeterM> *RA
2016-02-09T12:55:43 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/PEC11L-4220F-S0015/PEC11L-4220F-S0015-ND/2440942 like this kinda shit
2016-02-09T12:55:56 < PeterM> retents, switch, high ulse count, longish sharft
2016-02-09T12:56:48 < PeterM> ahh yeah, you jsut do an additional FP PCB or something
2016-02-09T12:57:12 < dongs> SeekingArrangement is the largest matchmaking app for millionaires, successful, beautiful and attractive people to meet. Our members include CEOs, executives, entrepreneurs, investors, lawyers, doctors, accountants, celebrities, pro-athletes, actors, actresses, top models, and the elite 1%.
2016-02-09T12:57:17 < dongs> haha
2016-02-09T12:57:18 < dongs> Laurenceb_: you dont fit into this
2016-02-09T12:57:29 < dongs> into ANY of this
2016-02-09T12:57:36 < Laurenceb_>  entrepreneurs dude
2016-02-09T12:57:48 < PeterM> nah, Laurenceb_ is a wizard
2016-02-09T12:57:57 < Laurenceb_> omg da 1%, occupy was right
2016-02-09T12:58:00 < PeterM> harry pottah
2016-02-09T12:59:03 < Laurenceb_> occupy just want to be sugar daddies too
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2016-02-09T13:18:30 < dongs> PeterM: whatcha innovating
2016-02-09T13:18:37 < dongs> vape power control with encoder/
2016-02-09T13:20:19 < ReadError> got this 99$ windows10 tablet, its crazy chinese though
2016-02-09T13:20:30 < ReadError> like some of the shit in windows is in chinese
2016-02-09T13:29:11 < dongs> im getting some toshiba shit some jap didnt want
2016-02-09T13:29:17 < dongs> write 10 or someshit like that
2016-02-09T13:29:19 < dongs> also win8.1
2016-02-09T13:29:22 < dongs> i can probly upgrade it to 10
2016-02-09T13:29:24 < dongs> im sure its aids
2016-02-09T13:30:43 < ReadError> yea i need to see if i can blow out the OS
2016-02-09T13:30:56 < dongs> im sure its windows 10 with WEIBO
2016-02-09T13:30:59 < dongs> instead of BING
2016-02-09T13:31:02 < ReadError> but for 99$ its not too bad, decent res IPS display
2016-02-09T13:31:04 < dongs> so the chinks spy on you
2016-02-09T13:31:10 < dongs> whats decent rez?
2016-02-09T13:31:13 < dongs> like 1280x720? lol
2016-02-09T13:31:43 < ReadError> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01AN6BBKI?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00
2016-02-09T13:31:51 < ReadError> 1920*1200
2016-02-09T13:32:04 < dongs> CHUWI
2016-02-09T13:32:05 < dongs> not bad
2016-02-09T13:33:06 < ReadError> http://chinagadgetsreviews.blogspot.com/2015/07/how-to-easily-install-windows-10-pro.html nice
2016-02-09T13:33:16 < ReadError> should be able to redo it
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2016-02-09T14:28:18 < Laurenceb> lol ReadError
2016-02-09T14:29:34 < Laurenceb> at least its not a stupid vlog
2016-02-09T14:29:39  * Laurenceb hates vloggers
2016-02-09T14:35:45 < ReadError> what
2016-02-09T14:45:46 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_blog
2016-02-09T14:48:38 < ReadError> whats not a vlog
2016-02-09T14:49:44 < dongs>  you know those youtube vids that go like "how to download <insert some softrware here>" and they're just a screencast of some paki's virus filled computer with like 9000 icons on desktop showing how to go to faggottorrents.com or someshit, and then all the links go through ad.fly. that's not a vlog.
2016-02-09T14:50:08 < Laurenceb> yes it is
2016-02-09T14:50:23 < Laurenceb> what dongs said without the not
2016-02-09T14:51:11 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Dump-memory-from-Samsung-Galaxy/
2016-02-09T14:51:12 < dongs> sweet
2016-02-09T14:51:20 < dongs> i've got emmc socket
2016-02-09T14:51:32 < dongs> but he's gonna have to pay a lot more than that
2016-02-09T14:51:36 < ReadError> you can earn 8 euro
2016-02-09T14:51:43 < dongs> not if I dont do it :)
2016-02-09T14:51:44 < ReadError> big spendddaa
2016-02-09T14:52:43 < dongs> http://www.parts4repair.com/samsung-i9100-galaxy-s-ii-flash-chip-with-program/
2016-02-09T14:52:47 < dongs> looks like the size i got socket for.
2016-02-09T14:53:18 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds04BTVL8i0 i can learn from pro poles
2016-02-09T14:54:58 < dongs> haha
2016-02-09T14:55:04 < dongs> nice tear off ht e board
2016-02-09T14:55:09 < dongs> i wonder how many pads he took out wiht it
2016-02-09T14:56:05 < dongs> hahaha WTF
2016-02-09T14:56:07 < dongs> where's flux
2016-02-09T14:56:31 < dongs> this is like 3rdworldphonerepair
2016-02-09T14:57:34 < dongs> HAHA the iron
2016-02-09T14:59:09 < dongs> ahhaha
2016-02-09T14:59:16 < dongs> gets blown away by too fast hot air
2016-02-09T15:03:16 < dongs> i cant believe the shit actually worked
2016-02-09T15:03:20 < dongs> after he was done wiht it
2016-02-09T15:05:46 < Ecco> hi
2016-02-09T15:06:24 < Ecco> There's something I can't figure out: where should "__aeabi_ldivmod" and similar symbols be defined?
2016-02-09T15:06:55 < dongs> it sounds like your mcpu is wrong
2016-02-09T15:07:02 < Ecco> well, it might
2016-02-09T15:07:19 < Ecco> but in general, who defines this symbol?
2016-02-09T15:07:26 < jpa-> libgcc
2016-02-09T15:07:26 < dongs> gcc
2016-02-09T15:07:38 < Ecco> well, I did arm-none-eabi-nm libgcc.a
2016-02-09T15:07:38 < kakimir> does someone change those parts to phones?
2016-02-09T15:07:44 < jpa-> but what is your compiler command line, and what toolchain are you using?
2016-02-09T15:07:45 < Ecco> and it doesn't seem to be defining those
2016-02-09T15:07:49 < dongs> kakimir: yes, for cheap too
2016-02-09T15:07:49 < kakimir> thats mad
2016-02-09T15:07:54 < Ecco> I'm giving Rust a try
2016-02-09T15:07:56 < dongs> kakimir: in liek any 3rd world country like india etc
2016-02-09T15:08:00 < jpa-> ldivmod (32bit div/mod) should be instruction on cortex-m3
2016-02-09T15:08:03 < kakimir> yes
2016-02-09T15:08:07 < dongs> you just walk up to some shop, give htem phone
2016-02-09T15:08:11 < dongs> they tear it apart in front of you
2016-02-09T15:08:18 < Ecco> jpa-: oh, ok
2016-02-09T15:08:18 < dongs> with like super primitive tools
2016-02-09T15:08:22 < dongs> then do a job like that ddue
2016-02-09T15:08:26 < Ecco> then there's definitely an error
2016-02-09T15:08:30 < dongs> with some ghetto reflow / hot air
2016-02-09T15:08:50 < kakimir> how do they know to replace flash
2016-02-09T15:08:51 < Ecco> I do have other symbols missing though
2016-02-09T15:08:55 < Ecco> like __aeabi_memclr4
2016-02-09T15:08:55 < zyp> re balls
2016-02-09T15:08:58 < kakimir> ie.
2016-02-09T15:09:45 < kakimir> Ecco go to gcc channel
2016-02-09T15:10:57 < jpa-> hmm.. i wonder if libc is supposed to provide those for some reason?
2016-02-09T15:11:10 < jpa-> https://github.com/kraj/musl/blob/0f5eb3de2955e2eaf5ee4b9637d9216f82a97fbd/src/string/arm/__aeabi_memclr.c
2016-02-09T15:11:12 < Ecco> that's what I was wondering
2016-02-09T15:11:24 < zyp> libgcc
2016-02-09T15:11:29 < zyp> is my guess
2016-02-09T15:11:42 < Ecco> zyp: it was mine too, but in practice it doesn't define those
2016-02-09T15:11:45 < jpa-> yeah, but libgcc doesn't seem to provide those
2016-02-09T15:11:55 < kakimir> arent those of c startup boilerplate?
2016-02-09T15:11:57 < Ecco> and like jpa- I saw some libc implementation providing those (jpa linked to musl but newlib does too)
2016-02-09T15:12:13 < jpa-> does aeabi actually require implementations of memclr/memcpy/memmove/memset?
2016-02-09T15:12:23 < jpa-> kakimir: uh, no?
2016-02-09T15:12:40 < zyp> jpa-, I'd think it would be the other way around
2016-02-09T15:13:01 < Ecco> what's aeabi actually ?
2016-02-09T15:13:04 < zyp> libc expecting optimized implementations for each arch
2016-02-09T15:13:37 < Ecco> I thought it was an ABI convention (i.e. where do function expect their arguments to be put)
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2016-02-09T15:14:19 < jpa-> aeabi spec defines those under "The standard compiler helper function library"
2016-02-09T15:14:29 < jpa-> which sounds like libgcc, but why are the implementations in libc
2016-02-09T15:14:47 < Ecco> compiler-rt (the LLVM equivalent of libgcc) doesn't seem to be providing those either
2016-02-09T15:15:29 < jpa-> i guess it is a question of who is responsible of providing a aeabi-compatible runtime environment
2016-02-09T15:15:39 < Ecco> Indeed
2016-02-09T15:17:55 < jpa-> "Each static linking environment shall provide a set of standard helper functions defined by this ABI."
2016-02-09T15:18:53 < Laurenceb> found your waifu dongs  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LwsXfS2OM4
2016-02-09T15:19:06 < Ecco> jpa-: I couldn't find the spec to the AEABI
2016-02-09T15:19:25 < jpa-> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ihi0043d/IHI0043D_rtabi.pdf
2016-02-09T15:19:37 < Ecco> thanks!
2016-02-09T15:22:38 < Ecco> % nm libgcc.a|grep aeabi -> nothing
2016-02-09T15:22:52 < Ecco> oops, my bad. Used the wrong nm
2016-02-09T15:23:19 < Ecco> ok, I think I got it
2016-02-09T15:23:34 < Ecco> libgcc does probide a bunch of __aeabi_* symbols
2016-02-09T15:23:46 < Ecco> but those that depend on libc (like memcpy) are *not* defined in libgcc
2016-02-09T15:23:50 < Ecco> that makes sense actually
2016-02-09T15:25:25 < jpa-> kind-of-not-really.. imo it is silly how hard it is to get a working memcpy, when it should be trivial for the compiler to provide
2016-02-09T15:25:41 < Ecco> well, this is another debate
2016-02-09T15:25:46 < Ecco> I do agree with you though
2016-02-09T15:26:03 < Ecco> but it somewhat makes sense that __aeabi_* are split between libgcc and libc
2016-02-09T15:36:12 < Ecco> meh, actually compiler-rt *does* provide aeabi_memcpy
2016-02-09T15:37:44 < karlp> good luck with rust.
2016-02-09T15:37:54 < Ecco> karlp: I'd be glad to have your feedback
2016-02-09T15:38:00 < karlp> it's still largely insane on even things like openwrt, can't imagine it working well on cortex-m
2016-02-09T15:38:01 < Ecco> had a bad experience?
2016-02-09T15:38:10 < karlp> at least, not when you still have any of the parts of rust worth using rust for
2016-02-09T15:38:29 < karlp> "oh we ran hello world, after we through out all the std stuff rust provides and used rust's methods for escaping tounsafe shift"
2016-02-09T15:38:38 < Ecco> :-D
2016-02-09T15:38:40 < karlp> "oh, and it was still 1.5meg"
2016-02-09T15:39:18 < Ecco> cargo is crap
2016-02-09T15:39:33 < Ecco> but so far rust seems ok. it's obviously rough around the edges though
2016-02-09T15:39:45 < Ecco> If you guys are interested, I'll give you some feedback in a couple days
2016-02-09T15:39:55 < karlp> well, trying to run it on cortex-m, you're clinging by your finger tips on those rusty edges,
2016-02-09T15:40:10 < Ecco> :-D
2016-02-09T15:45:49 < dongs> why are you dudes even discussing this stuff
2016-02-09T15:46:26 < Ecco> Well, the language seems nice
2016-02-09T15:46:33 < dongs> oh rust
2016-02-09T15:46:35 < dongs> useless shitware
2016-02-09T15:46:41 < dongs> stick to C, it works
2016-02-09T15:46:44 < Ecco> well
2016-02-09T15:46:48 < Ecco> that's a solid point of view
2016-02-09T15:46:48 < dongs> all this newfag shit like python can go fuck itself
2016-02-09T15:47:14 < jpa-> not everyone wants to get things done
2016-02-09T15:47:45 < dongs> clearly
2016-02-09T15:49:46 < Ecco> Well, I think it's worth giving it a couple days and see if it works
2016-02-09T15:49:54 < Ecco> I really dig C, don't get me wrong
2016-02-09T15:50:05 < Ecco> but sometimes I think a bit of abstractions doesn't hurt
2016-02-09T15:50:11 < jpa-> to be honest, it'd be fun if rust worked
2016-02-09T15:50:21 < Ecco> and really no matter how hard I try I can't like C++
2016-02-09T15:50:28 < Ecco> the language is too complicated
2016-02-09T15:50:53 < Ecco> and I'm really not happy using a tool I cannot have a good understanding of
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2016-02-09T16:21:17 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Design-Breakout-PCB-for-raspberry/ kakimir, go
2016-02-09T16:21:33 < kakimir> I do not want
2016-02-09T16:21:45 < dongs> you can outpaki it
2016-02-09T16:22:08 < kakimir> freelancing suck
2016-02-09T16:22:35 < kakimir> got depressed when I realized it
2016-02-09T16:23:24 < kakimir> some pakistani takes that job for 50 and then outsources it for 20
2016-02-09T16:24:13 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/High-Speed-Analog-Electronics-Design/
2016-02-09T16:26:01 < mitrax> I finally found some fault protected RS485 drivers, SN65HVD1781DR, expensive shit though
2016-02-09T16:27:15 < kakimir> fault protected?
2016-02-09T16:27:37 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/CPlusPlus-Programming/Microcontroller-Code-ATMEGA-Chip/
2016-02-09T16:27:54 < dongs> christ, 4 bucks
2016-02-09T16:28:00 < dongs> wat was wrong with the ISL shit i linked?
2016-02-09T16:28:10 < mitrax> fault protected as in, they can withstand a direct short to power supply or ground, and up to +70V on the lines
2016-02-09T16:28:21 < dongs> nice
2016-02-09T16:29:17 < mitrax> dongs: i was using ISL83483 already, those you pasted are transmitter only (i'd need to of them) plus they didn't seem to have such protection against miswiring or cable crushing
2016-02-09T16:29:30 < dongs> ah k
2016-02-09T16:29:34 < dongs> yeah, DMX only needs out
2016-02-09T16:29:36 < dongs> forgot that part
2016-02-09T16:29:55 < mitrax> i'm 100% certain some idiot will miswire the thing at some point
2016-02-09T16:30:01 < dongs> sure
2016-02-09T16:30:48 < dongs> mitrax: also the ISL one can handle high line load
2016-02-09T16:30:54 < dongs> er, unit load
2016-02-09T16:31:02 < dongs> like 256 targets without repeaters
2016-02-09T16:31:27 < dongs> you might wanna look into that too if you didnt yet
2016-02-09T16:31:34 < dongs> if youre connecting one->many or osmething
2016-02-09T16:31:37 < mitrax> this one can do 320 supposedly, but i really won't have that many node
2016-02-09T16:31:39 < dongs> probably not tho as y ou ahve rx/tx
2016-02-09T16:31:42 < mitrax> i mean the TI one
2016-02-09T16:31:46 < dongs> okay.
2016-02-09T16:32:10 < mitrax> two boards that were connected on the bus behind the ISL83483 got their MCU fried :(
2016-02-09T16:34:17 < mitrax> just cause one of the bus line got shorted to ground, seems like the DI input of the driver gets shorted to VDD when that happens or something
2016-02-09T16:35:26 < mitrax> anyway lesson learned: don't use shitty drivers
2016-02-09T16:36:00 < dongs> mitrax: do you have 100R between signal gnd and board GND?
2016-02-09T16:36:25 < mitrax> nope
2016-02-09T16:36:30 < dongs> you really should
2016-02-09T16:36:54 < dongs> stick a fatass 1210 resistor on there
2016-02-09T16:36:55 < dongs> 100R
2016-02-09T16:37:41 < mitrax> well i planned to put one at each end of the bus, as terminators, since i can't put one on each device, but i didn't when testing
2016-02-09T16:37:50 < dongs> not as terminator
2016-02-09T16:38:09 < dongs> you have signal ground on your RS485 connector right?
2016-02-09T16:38:14 < mitrax> yup
2016-02-09T16:38:23 < dongs> and you just put that directly to board ground?
2016-02-09T16:38:26 < mitrax> oh
2016-02-09T16:38:53 < mitrax> no well that's board ground, the driver has two lines A/Y  B/Z, what do you mean by signal ground?
2016-02-09T16:39:19 < dongs> you dont have 'ground' line along your 485 cable?
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2016-02-09T16:40:18 < mitrax> ground as in, connected to mains earth?
2016-02-09T16:40:21 < dongs> http://www.hw-server.com/obrazek/ground.gif
2016-02-09T16:40:24 < dongs> mitrax: ^
2016-02-09T16:40:55 < mitrax> i would but it's within a plastic case
2016-02-09T16:41:01 < mitrax> 24V powered
2016-02-09T16:41:08 < mitrax> no chassis ref
2016-02-09T16:42:56 < dongs> so your box to box line is just 4 conductors?
2016-02-09T16:43:17 < mitrax> yup
2016-02-09T16:43:52 < dongs> i know youre not gonna like this but
2016-02-09T16:44:02 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/pqkZfqa.jpg
2016-02-09T16:44:27 < dongs> this is why ytoure burning shit
2016-02-09T16:44:30 < dongs> not because youre using shit drivers
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2016-02-09T16:46:47 < dongs> or you can stick TVS diodes everwehre
2016-02-09T16:47:26 < mitrax> well the thing got burned because the A/B line got connected to ground (the dumb ass who soldered the connector made a short), it's not something that happened on the field. But yeah that doesn't mean i won't have problems related to that
2016-02-09T16:50:06 < mitrax> dongs: so you recommend c) over b) (which i have now) ?
2016-02-09T16:50:10 < dongs> yes
2016-02-09T16:50:26 < dongs> and if you wanna go REAL pro, stick a 100mA PTC on each line in series
2016-02-09T16:50:32 < Sync> ye, it is better
2016-02-09T16:50:45 < Sync> dongs: real pros scroll a page further and isolate all their transceivers
2016-02-09T16:50:50 < dongs> yeah but
2016-02-09T16:50:54 < dongs> that costs $
2016-02-09T16:50:58 < dongs> this is cheap ghetto solution :)
2016-02-09T16:51:21 < Sync> ye
2016-02-09T16:52:24 < dongs> sync, I have a bridge full of led lights and a sign on top of a building with over 9000 leds controleld by DMX
2016-02-09T16:52:44 < dongs> so things are semi-pro.
2016-02-09T16:52:59 < dongs> tryin to find pix, to ostoned
2016-02-09T16:55:13 < dongs> nope, failed. fuck it.
2016-02-09T16:55:15 < aandrew> yeah long distance tx/rx is a pain if you don't isolate
2016-02-09T16:55:37 < dongs> ive posted the shit in hre  years ago
2016-02-09T16:55:56 < aandrew> hell I consulted on an aircraft pax system and they fucked it up (mlvds links from the front to back of a 767)
2016-02-09T16:56:04 < aandrew> made good money identifying and fixing that particular problem
2016-02-09T16:56:26 < aandrew> they called me on a sunday desperate to get it fixed, I said US$250/hr and they didn't bat an eye
2016-02-09T16:57:12 < mitrax> eheh
2016-02-09T16:57:26 < dongs> time well spent
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2016-02-09T16:58:33 < mitrax> i won't have more than 4 devices over a bus length of 20m max so *hopefully* i won't run into too much problems, but thanks for the heads up, if i do i'll know what to do
2016-02-09T16:59:06 < aandrew> yeah 20m isn't bad; are the ends powered from the same supply (i..e remote is powered over the same cable) or are they powered separately?
2016-02-09T16:59:28 < mitrax> they're powered from the same supply but it's a different cable
2016-02-09T16:59:55 < aandrew> the two ends -- do they connect to anything that might have a ground?
2016-02-09T17:00:04 < mitrax> yes
2016-02-09T17:00:23 < aandrew> e.g. one end plugs into a computer (which is grounded) and the other connects to some kind of indicator or someshit that has a ground
2016-02-09T17:00:44 < aandrew> it's unlikely that you'll have much of a potential between the two grounds but you probably should account for it if it's uncontrolled
2016-02-09T17:00:55 < Sync> wat aandrew
2016-02-09T17:01:11 < mitrax> okay
2016-02-09T17:01:20 < aandrew> PTCs are good, as are transzorbs
2016-02-09T17:02:01 < aandrew> let the comms fail but not damage shit. you'll get calls about how your design is shit but you can then debug it without telling them they blew shit up
2016-02-09T17:02:31 < mitrax> ahahah
2016-02-09T17:02:32 < dongs> pro advice itt
2016-02-09T17:02:33 < aandrew> if possible design in such a way that you can detect that the comm link is down on both ends.. helps a lot "this shit's not working!" "is the red led on?" "yeah"
2016-02-09T17:02:48 < aandrew> TIL I'm a pro
2016-02-09T17:03:06 < dongs> the 'idiot' led
2016-02-09T17:03:10 < aandrew> yep
2016-02-09T17:03:10 < dongs> for when they plug the power supply in backwards
2016-02-09T17:03:13 < aandrew> ID10T error
2016-02-09T17:03:31 < dongs> i think englishman recently added one to somethign
2016-02-09T17:03:33 < mitrax> there's a control box with an LCD that talks to everything so it can report missing device or communication problems
2016-02-09T17:03:35 < aandrew> just make sure you always call it "EYE DEE TEN TEE" and they're less likely to catch on
2016-02-09T17:03:55 < aandrew> mitrax: yes but if possible put that idiot light on both ends (or make it so either end can say "I can't see shit"
2016-02-09T17:03:57 < englishman> all my leds are idiot leds because i am an idiot
2016-02-09T17:04:13 < aandrew> heh
2016-02-09T17:04:18 < aandrew> this reminds me of my first real job
2016-02-09T17:04:26 < aandrew> we did industrial power electronics
2016-02-09T17:04:29 < aandrew> american comany
2016-02-09T17:04:40 < aandrew> when they started out (before I was hired) they didn't have money to get real certification
2016-02-09T17:04:44 < aandrew> (UL, etc.)
2016-02-09T17:05:03 < aandrew> so the owner of the company one night while drinking said "Fuck it, we're putting "CCA Approved" on all our literature"
2016-02-09T17:05:12 < aandrew> when asked what CCA was he said "Clean Clitties for America"
2016-02-09T17:05:16 < mitrax> :D
2016-02-09T17:05:23 < aandrew> and if you look at someof the original brocures that is on them
2016-02-09T17:05:38 < dongs> shit, bedtime
2016-02-09T17:05:39 < mitrax> ahahah
2016-02-09T17:05:40 < aandrew> whenever someone asked a sales critter what CCA approval was the answer was "I don't know,s ome Canadian thing"
2016-02-09T17:05:50 < aandrew> but that's how they got their foot int he door.  SOMEONE approved them
2016-02-09T17:06:03 < aandrew> then we eventually got real UL and CSA (and much later cUL) approval
2016-02-09T17:06:16 < englishman> those shady canadians
2016-02-09T17:06:22 < aandrew> heh
2016-02-09T17:06:33 < aandrew> night dongs. sweet stoner dreams
2016-02-09T17:06:42 < dongs> way too stoned already
2016-02-09T17:06:45 < mitrax> dongs: night, and thanks
2016-02-09T17:06:57 < aandrew> oh hey
2016-02-09T17:07:10 < aandrew> I found out that STM32Cube will install and run on OSX and Linux
2016-02-09T17:07:15 < aandrew> you run the EXE with java
2016-02-09T17:07:25 < aandrew> java -jar stm32cubeinstaller.exe or someshit
2016-02-09T17:08:44 < Steffanx> One can be too stoned dongs?
2016-02-09T17:09:25 < Steffanx> They fixed the case issue aandrew?
2016-02-09T17:09:27 < aandrew> stoned dongs don't work very well
2016-02-09T17:09:33 < aandrew> hm, case issue?
2016-02-09T17:09:52 < Steffanx> Yeah some dir had a capital char in it
2016-02-09T17:10:16 < aandrew> I didn't have that issue
2016-02-09T17:10:26 < Steffanx> Back in the older days you had to fix that
2016-02-09T17:10:45 < Steffanx> Not relevant for case insensitive os x i guess
2016-02-09T17:13:38 < aandrew> ah
2016-02-09T17:13:56 < aandrew> yeah I actually dislike case insensitive filesystems but I tried installing osx once on a case sensitive filesystme and it was pain
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2016-02-09T17:17:02 < Cyric_> hey guys..anyone of you has ever worked with modbus?
2016-02-09T17:17:29 < aandrew> *shudders*
2016-02-09T17:17:33 < aandrew> yes. I have. *twitch*
2016-02-09T17:17:34 < Cyric_> is like i2c (address slaves etc)
2016-02-09T17:17:48 < aandrew> Cyric_: have you don't your preliminary google searches?
2016-02-09T17:17:56 < zyp> I did some lowlevel work on some modbus stuff once
2016-02-09T17:17:58 < aandrew> basic modbus is very straightforward
2016-02-09T17:18:06 < aandrew> the devil is in the details
2016-02-09T17:18:10 < Cyric_> i need to communicate with devices with different baud rate
2016-02-09T17:18:15 < zyp> i.e. I didn't touch the modbus layer, just control of the rs485 transceiver
2016-02-09T17:18:18 < Cyric_> on the same com
2016-02-09T17:18:29 < zyp> Cyric_, haha, forget it
2016-02-09T17:18:47 < Cyric_> is not possible?
2016-02-09T17:19:23 < zyp> possible? sure
2016-02-09T17:19:25 < zyp> just stupid
2016-02-09T17:19:43 < Cyric_> like closing the COM, changing the bitrate reopening it
2016-02-09T17:19:52 < zyp> sure
2016-02-09T17:20:29 < Cyric_> but is not nice...
2016-02-09T17:20:36 < Cyric_> any way around?
2016-02-09T17:20:50 < zyp> but you have multiple devices on the bus, how do you expect them to cope with the ton of garbage they will be receiving when receiving at a different baudrate?
2016-02-09T17:21:11 < Cyric_> mmm good point
2016-02-09T17:21:27 < Cyric_> so i need to have a boudrate converter
2016-02-09T17:21:33 < zyp> wat
2016-02-09T17:21:33 < Cyric_> to the devices
2016-02-09T17:21:51 < Cyric_> http://www.icpdas.com/root/product/solutions/industrial_communication/pds/tsh-700.html
2016-02-09T17:21:58 < Cyric_> similar to this
2016-02-09T17:22:24 < zyp> why not just put them on different buses?
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2016-02-09T17:22:58 < Cyric_> yes that may be a problem... i have to check if the system has free port
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2016-02-09T17:24:01 < Cyric_> but thanks :)
2016-02-09T17:25:43 < Ecco> Meh, I'm getting the weirest link error
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2016-02-09T17:25:51 < Ecco> relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_THM_JUMP11 against symbol `memcpy' defined in .text section
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2016-02-09T17:30:56 < karlp> mitrax: I'm still super impressed at you managing to fry the parts _behind_ the rs485 transceivers, we've never blown them, only ever the transceiver itself
2016-02-09T17:34:15 < aandrew> Cyric_: sorry about the lag, got busy at work
2016-02-09T17:34:43 < aandrew> you *can* talk at different baudrates on a common RS485 link, modbus has CRCs and shit so the others will just ignore the junk data at the wrong baudrate
2016-02-09T17:35:03 < aandrew> but you must be careful because the incorrect baudrate will cause all kinds of frame/parity/break errors for the devices seeing the wrong baudrate
2016-02-09T17:35:28 < aandrew> so those devices might act up/lock up/etc. if their code is shit (and their code will be shit, that's Murphy's law)
2016-02-09T17:35:46 < karlp> yeah, that's a "just don't" area.
2016-02-09T17:35:51 < aandrew> also if you're dealing with RS485 it's important not to turn off your RS485 transmitter too early
2016-02-09T17:36:02 < karlp> because, again, peopels' firmware is shit ;)
2016-02-09T17:36:13 < aandrew> there are many, many UARTs which will give you a "transmitter holding register empty" interrupt which is not enough to control the RS485 driver enable
2016-02-09T17:36:23 < aandrew> transmitter holding reg empty != last bit has been shifted out
2016-02-09T17:36:28 < karlp> some devices we have to leave DE high for a while, some we have to make it go low quickly.
2016-02-09T17:36:40 < karlp> there's an ST app note on how to control the DE line for stm32...
2016-02-09T17:36:47 < mitrax> karlp: that surprised me too... i thought it was something else but when checking the input pins on the damaged drivers there was a voltage there, and the output stage of the TX pin on the MCU is fried
2016-02-09T17:37:02 < aandrew> you want to use the transmitter shift register empty. if you haven't got that then you need to set up a short timer or do the lame thing and delay for 10 bit times (minimum) before clearing the driver enable
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2016-02-09T17:37:11 < karlp> kinda suspect they did more than just "connect A or B to ground"
2016-02-09T17:37:51 < aandrew> wait
2016-02-09T17:38:01 < aandrew> mitrax: you're blowing components "behind" the RS485 transciever??
2016-02-09T17:38:02 < mitrax> karlp: oh i was there, as i said earlier the guy who soldered the connector did an awful job and one pin was shorted to ground, *i* plugged the thing
2016-02-09T17:38:12 < aandrew> you either have really shit transcievers or there's a different problem
2016-02-09T17:39:43 < karlp> I'm really unconvinced it's the drivers, we use the intersil transceiver on everything
2016-02-09T17:39:58 < karlp> you're using a different one though, you're using the dual package right?
2016-02-09T17:40:00 < aandrew> intersil is older than the hills, they make good shit
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2016-02-09T17:40:06 < mitrax> i'm very puzzled but i saw it happen, the transceiver is an ISL83483
2016-02-09T17:40:14 < Cyric_> so i double checked and i have only one bus
2016-02-09T17:40:14 < mitrax> the marking looks weird though
2016-02-09T17:40:50 < mitrax> but i got the part from mouser so it's unlikely they're counterfeit (dunno if there are counterfeit ones around)
2016-02-09T17:41:02 < karlp> yeah, we have the 83483 too,
2016-02-09T17:41:16 < karlp> we had problems with some people putting 12V on A or B, but only ever blew the transceiver.
2016-02-09T17:41:21 < Cyric_> so unfortunately they must share the same com... probably superslow...
2016-02-09T17:41:23 < karlp> newer parts have a bunch of tvs stuff
2016-02-09T17:41:44 < karlp> Cyric_: yeah, you're not going to have any fun trying to run multiple baud rates on that
2016-02-09T17:41:44 < aandrew> I tend to use Maxim devices or I think TI
2016-02-09T17:41:49 < aandrew> TIs are also old as hell
2016-02-09T17:42:02 < aandrew> maxim's are expensive but have really good ESD protection
2016-02-09T17:42:14 < karlp> this is why most modbus devices have configurable baud rates and parities, and why the standards say it should always default to 19200 8e1
2016-02-09T17:42:22 < aandrew> Cyric_: well... if you have control over all the devices on the bus you might get away with it
2016-02-09T17:42:33 < aandrew> the other way to do it is to electronically isolate them
2016-02-09T17:42:55 < aandrew> use multiple RS485 transcievers  and only enable the one that talks to hte 9600 bus, then enable only the one that talk so the 19200 bus etc
2016-02-09T17:43:10 < karlp> heh, cute
2016-02-09T17:43:25 < aandrew> about 15 years ago I designed a devicenet-to-modbus gateway
2016-02-09T17:43:25 < karlp> makes the wiring pretty unweildy though I'd imagine
2016-02-09T17:43:57 < aandrew> wrote my own DeviceNet/EthernetIP/ModbusTCP stack and self-certified the CIP ones
2016-02-09T17:44:09 < Cyric_> one of them support only 9600... that is the problem
2016-02-09T17:44:16 < aandrew> that was a fucking pain in the ass because the CIP spec is so rigid, but that was also why it worked so well
2016-02-09T17:44:25 < aandrew> Cyric_: so make the rest all 9600?
2016-02-09T17:45:05 < karlp> Cyric_: hand them the modbus spec, tell them their product is non-compliant, and beat them up withit until they fix it,
2016-02-09T17:45:07 < Cyric_> well the "others" are not yet fully defined...
2016-02-09T17:45:09 < karlp> or replace it with something sane.
2016-02-09T17:45:24 < mitrax> there might have been something else at play though... i had my power supply current limited a bit too low so it went off for a sec, the driver is powered by a 3.3V switching regulator (and VIN is 24V coming from the lab supply), i'm not sure how likely it is but *maybe* the output of the switching reg went up for a very short time and that's what fried everything
2016-02-09T17:45:28 < aandrew> Cyric_: so be proactive, DEFINE the requirement as "9600N81"
2016-02-09T17:45:59 < aandrew> mitrax: that's possible. if your supply sequencing is bad you can absolutely fry shit
2016-02-09T17:45:59 < karlp> aandrew: what's CIP?
2016-02-09T17:46:35 < karlp> oh, part of devicenet
2016-02-09T17:46:35 < aandrew> karlp: common interface protocol, it's the actual protocol that DeviceNet, Ethernet/IP and ControlNet all use at the core
2016-02-09T17:46:59 < karlp> I fucking can't stand that ethernet/IP is called ethernet/IP.
2016-02-09T17:47:01 < Cyric_> is a good idea... but the clients doent care... he come leave some devices got from some indian supplier in my office and he expect that works
2016-02-09T17:47:03 < karlp> fucking batshit crazy
2016-02-09T17:47:04 < aandrew> DN/EIP/CN are basically CIP over various physical media (CAN, TCP and some proprietary token based network)
2016-02-09T17:47:05 < mitrax> aandrew: supply sequencing of my switching reg?
2016-02-09T17:47:23 < karlp> iesn't EIP a new ethertype? it's not over tcp at all is it?
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2016-02-09T17:47:58 < mitrax> andreew: i only use 3.3V, i don't have multiple outputs
2016-02-09T17:47:59 < aandrew> Cyric_: well you're being asked to do the imposisble. you're told you can't have multiple serila networks to isolate the different baudrate devices, you can't do my goofymux idea, and you can't specify the serial parameters.
2016-02-09T17:48:32 < aandrew> the best you can do is change the baudrate for each and try. if it fails (and I'll buy you a beer if it doesn't fail or work intermittently) then all you can say is that it won't work
2016-02-09T17:48:48 < Cyric_> i have to check if i can mux
2016-02-09T17:48:52 < aandrew> mitrax: are your drivers able to survive if the bus is powered but hte transciever isn't?
2016-02-09T17:48:59 < aandrew> Cyric_: if you can't use multiple buses then you can't mux
2016-02-09T17:49:17 < aandrew> besides you're talking about closing/opening COM ports which suggests you're using windows to do this
2016-02-09T17:49:32 < aandrew> I don't knwo any way to shoehorn a mux into windows, so you're stuck with multiple serial prots
2016-02-09T17:49:33 < Cyric_> yes the software is in win
2016-02-09T17:49:35 < aandrew> ports
2016-02-09T17:49:52 < aandrew> karlp: hm, I forget now. I thought it was TCP
2016-02-09T17:49:56 < aandrew> with a defined port
2016-02-09T17:50:05 < karlp> huh, no, ethernet/IP actually is IP, there must have been some other ethernet/xxx shit I was mixing it up with that wasn't IP at all.
2016-02-09T17:50:46 < aandrew> nope it's TCP and UDP
2016-02-09T17:50:54 < Cyric_> well i will see if i can find a solution to that... probably if the client try to add a dev with different boudrate he will get a warning that shit may blow up
2016-02-09T17:51:03 < aandrew> tcp/44818 and udp/2222
2016-02-09T17:51:29 < Cyric_> i cant do more than that
2016-02-09T17:51:40 < ReadError> hmmm so some crazy shit is happening here
2016-02-09T17:51:49 < ReadError> have some signal hooked up to GPIOA
2016-02-09T17:52:15 < ReadError> on the init code, when its hits STM_HAS_GPIOG and inits the GPIO for G
2016-02-09T17:52:29 < ReadError> my signal gets slammed down
2016-02-09T17:52:58 < ReadError> to like 800mV, orig 5v or so before it hits that
2016-02-09T17:53:17 < ReadError> but none of the registers for GPIOA change
2016-02-09T18:07:12 < Laurenceb> attn dongs  http://imgur.com/92BbCkb
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2016-02-09T18:35:15 < zyp> ReadError, did you check errata sheet?
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2016-02-09T18:37:26 < ReadError> hmm nah not yet
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2016-02-09T19:00:22 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXNE00Cnaqk
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2016-02-09T19:25:01 < Ecco> Meh
2016-02-09T19:25:18 < Ecco> I'm getting the weirdest linker error
2016-02-09T19:25:19 < Ecco> (.text+0xc): relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_THM_JUMP11 against symbol `memset' defined in .text section
2016-02-09T19:32:01 < aandrew> Ecco: I googled "avr relocation truncated to fit" instead of stm32 and found something that might work for you
2016-02-09T19:32:53 < aandrew> avr solution was to make sure that -mshort-calls was not specified; I'm suspecting you might find something similar with arm gcc
2016-02-09T19:33:12 < Ecco> oh thanks
2016-02-09T19:35:52 < jpa-> you must have a huge binary to reach that limit, though, as even a short branch is +- 16 MB on arm
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2016-02-09T19:37:41 < zyp> nice
2016-02-09T19:37:50 < zyp> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/errata_sheet/DM00114896.pdf <- I think i just hit 2.5.3
2016-02-09T19:40:54 < zyp> ah, increasing SCK speed helps
2016-02-09T19:41:00 < zyp> GPIO speed, that is
2016-02-09T19:43:24 < Ecco> yeah, that's very weird
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2016-02-09T19:50:22 < aandrew> are you building in thumb mode maybe?
2016-02-09T19:50:27 < Ecco> well yes!
2016-02-09T19:50:45 < Ecco> AFAIK STM32 (CM4) only supports thumb
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2016-02-09T19:52:32 < aandrew> a thumb jump is +/-16MB?
2016-02-09T19:54:02 < Ecco> I don't know
2016-02-09T19:54:15 < Ecco> well, given the flash is only 2MB it shouldn't matter :)
2016-02-09T19:56:34 < aandrew> thumb branches are short
2016-02-09T19:56:49 < aandrew> https://community.arm.com/groups/processors/blog/2013/09/25/branch-and-call-sequences-explained
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2016-02-09T19:57:40 < aandrew> looks like thumb is +/-256b
2016-02-09T19:57:50 < Ecco> huh, seriously?
2016-02-09T19:57:53 < Ecco> How can it even work?
2016-02-09T19:58:04 < aandrew> well there are different branches
2016-02-09T19:58:19 < Ecco> hmm ok wait I think I solved my issue
2016-02-09T19:58:29 < Ecco> yes indeed
2016-02-09T19:58:31 < aandrew> anyway I'd check your gcc flags to make sure it is able to produce the correct instructions/veneers
2016-02-09T19:58:39 < Ecco> here's the issue
2016-02-09T19:58:52 < Ecco> I'm generating a *huge* static lib (16 MB)
2016-02-09T19:59:00 < Ecco> of course I'm not going to use most of it
2016-02-09T19:59:08 < Ecco> so I expected the linker to remove unused symbols
2016-02-09T19:59:23 < Ecco> turns out that you need to output each symbol in its own section for the linker to be able to do this
2016-02-09T19:59:29 < aandrew> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0285b/Cchhgfaj.html
2016-02-09T19:59:37 < aandrew> yes
2016-02-09T19:59:52 < aandrew> -ffunction-sections and -fdata-sections with -Wl,-gc-sections IIRC
2016-02-09T19:59:55 < Ecco> exactly
2016-02-09T20:00:06 < Ecco> well not exactly since I'm not using gcc, but that's the idea
2016-02-09T20:01:15 < Ecco> ok so
2016-02-09T20:01:44 < Ecco> 37 KB for a rust binary that does a few BigInt calculations
2016-02-09T20:02:03 < Ecco> (using vec<T> from the standard lib)
2016-02-09T20:02:17 < Ecco> it might not be unusable after all
2016-02-09T20:03:46 < Ecco> hmm
2016-02-09T20:03:58 < Ecco> the resulting binary contains some original source file name :-/
2016-02-09T20:04:13 < Ecco> oh wait, I haven't used my linker script
2016-02-09T20:10:53 < Ecco> hmm, weird
2016-02-09T20:10:57 < Ecco> arm-none-eabi-size my_binary
2016-02-09T20:11:12 < Ecco> text: 4098, data: 16, bss: 28
2016-02-09T20:11:19 < Ecco> ls -lh my_binary
2016-02-09T20:11:31 < Ecco> 44K
2016-02-09T20:11:57 < Ecco> arm-none-eabi-objcopy -O binary my_binary boot.bin
2016-02-09T20:12:14 < Ecco> -> at this point I would expect the boot.bin file to be 4KB
2016-02-09T20:12:18 < Ecco> ls -lh boot.bin
2016-02-09T20:12:20 < Ecco> 36 K
2016-02-09T20:12:49 < aandrew> interesting
2016-02-09T20:12:52 < aandrew> I haven't done anything with rust
2016-02-09T20:12:56 < aandrew> but I also don't know C++
2016-02-09T20:13:04 < Ecco> it's not C++
2016-02-09T20:16:37 < kakimir> what side is to suck and what side is to blow
2016-02-09T20:16:44 < Ecco> :-D
2016-02-09T20:17:01 < kakimir> paper in carbon in fresh air filter
2016-02-09T20:17:08 < kakimir> and
2016-02-09T20:17:15 < kakimir> *
2016-02-09T20:17:29 < kakimir> doing vapor filtering
2016-02-09T20:19:07 < zyp> hmm, I need a VNA
2016-02-09T20:20:09 < zyp> after fixing the missing signal on the board and that SPI bullshit, the NFC reader works, but not very well, compared to the devboard
2016-02-09T20:20:17 < zyp> I mean, demoboard
2016-02-09T20:20:31 < zyp> so I guess antenna matching is way off :p
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2016-02-09T20:43:46 < Ecco> yay
2016-02-09T20:43:51 < Ecco> ok, so 3.9K binary
2016-02-09T20:44:01 < Ecco> for a BigInt library in Rust, using the standard vec<T> container
2016-02-09T20:44:04 < Ecco> seems nice :)
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2016-02-09T21:03:29 < aandrew> vec<T> isn't C++?
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2016-02-09T22:02:05 < ReadError> so i doubt there is
2016-02-09T22:02:25 < ReadError> but is there some component or device that can add a delay on a singal
2016-02-09T22:02:34 < ReadError> but sitll keep it 1:1 etc
2016-02-09T22:09:06 < aandrew> buffers
2016-02-09T22:09:08 < zyp> sure, just add a wire
2016-02-09T22:09:09 < aandrew> inverters
2016-02-09T22:09:24 < aandrew> there are also specific delay ICs but they're pricey
2016-02-09T22:16:12  * aandrew imagines ReadError with 500 feet of 18AWG between two points
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2016-02-09T22:16:50 < ReadError> well heres the thing
2016-02-09T22:17:16 < ReadError> i have a possibility of 2x or more interrupts taking place at the exact same time
2016-02-09T22:17:27 < ReadError> i think they are battling it out
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2016-02-09T22:20:03 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/folder/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNFZLVDREZ0JPVms/edit
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2016-02-09T22:21:23 < kakimir> lets build a vapor filter
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2016-02-09T22:30:16 < Steffanx> you sub ohming much?
2016-02-09T22:32:56 < englishman> chuck chuck
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2016-02-09T22:35:34 < gxti> ReadError: then you should think about which interrupt needs priority, or if none should be able to preempt the other, and adjust the priorities accordingly
2016-02-09T22:36:24 < ReadError> yea they are all important tho
2016-02-09T22:36:27 < ReadError> ill think of something
2016-02-09T22:37:54 < gxti> what is that needs them to be acted on immediately? if you're measuring timing you can use a timer input capture instead
2016-02-09T22:38:24 < gxti> or in addition. that would tell you precisely when the input changed by the time the interrupt does run
2016-02-09T22:38:33 < ReadError> im mearsuing hsyncs from a sync separator
2016-02-09T22:39:08 < gxti> so video overlay type thing?
2016-02-09T22:39:15 < ReadError> the source is the same, and the output will be pretty much idential in the best circumstances
2016-02-09T22:39:16 < ReadError> diversity
2016-02-09T22:39:44 < ReadError> but there will be an overlay
2016-02-09T22:40:41 < ReadError> so while all antennas are receiving good quality signal, they can fire off at the same time
2016-02-09T22:41:30 < gxti> N copies of the same signal with 1 output?
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2016-02-09T22:58:32 < jadew> we were talking about coding styles yesterday
2016-02-09T22:58:35 < jadew> check this out: http://dumb.ro/screenshot/IdaCE.png
2016-02-09T22:59:03 < jadew> courtesy of GNU
2016-02-09T23:00:05 < ReadError> gxti 1 camera, 1 transmitter
2016-02-09T23:00:17 < ReadError> and then an array of receivers and antennas
2016-02-09T23:01:42 < gxti> ReadError: i wouldn't interrupt on every hsync then, i'd observe them to make sure they're happening and to make whatever signal strength measurement you like but only interrupt on the channel that is currently selected
2016-02-09T23:01:43 < ReadError> since the source is the same, I can enable them staggered off the first
2016-02-09T23:02:31 < ReadError> gxti nah I want to interrupt on ever receiver hooked up
2016-02-09T23:02:40 < ReadError> to output the best quality picture
2016-02-09T23:02:55 < ReadError> stuff like vsyncs and hsyncs are know
2016-02-09T23:03:22 < ReadError> if they come in with bad timing thats an indication of interference in the signal
2016-02-09T23:03:49 < gxti> you can make those measurements without interrupting for each hsync on each source
2016-02-09T23:04:12 < ReadError> yea I hae a bunch of metrics
2016-02-09T23:04:13 < gxti> with input captures, like i mentioned
2016-02-09T23:04:23 < gxti> it's more precise than relying on interrupts alone, too
2016-02-09T23:04:24 < ReadError> yea I am using input capture
2016-02-09T23:04:32 < ReadError> but it hits the CB at the same time
2016-02-09T23:04:46 < gxti> CB?
2016-02-09T23:04:51 < ReadError> callback
2016-02-09T23:05:04 < gxti> it's a single-threaded processor...
2016-02-09T23:05:33 < ReadError> yea, so thas the problem
2016-02-09T23:06:10 < gxti> i don't see how it's a problem. unless your IC interrupts have different priorities then they will run sequentially, and each timer only has 1 interrupt (i think... RTFM for specifics)
2016-02-09T23:08:24 < ReadError> yea i can try changing the priorriy
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2016-02-09T23:09:51 < ReadError> but then wouldnt there be a bis
2016-02-09T23:12:43 < ReadError> i will have to check on this tomorrow, been awake for 33hrs, brain is mush
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2016-02-09T23:42:48 < aandrew> ReadError: there's nothing wrong with interrupts happening at the same time. that's what NVIC is good at. I suspect you're trying to do too much in your ISR a
2016-02-09T23:42:53 < aandrew> and causing problems
2016-02-09T23:57:09 < Laurenceb_> lulwut ReadError
2016-02-09T23:57:20 < Laurenceb_> itt: readerror is NEET
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2016-02-10T00:26:28 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKQnowOU9rZklZcUU/view?usp=sharing soon a birdhouse
2016-02-10T00:38:31 < kakimir> somebody recommend a smd ferrite for generic use in datalines?
2016-02-10T00:39:12 < kakimir> lets say 1wire that leaves the enclosure
2016-02-10T00:39:19 < kakimir> i2c that leaves the enclosure
2016-02-10T00:40:37 < BrainDamage> a ferrite clamp is equivalent to a 1.5 turn transformer in series, you can as well slap an actual coiled transformer and you'd actally control both the series inductance and the mutual
2016-02-10T00:41:37 < kakimir> so I should just use clamps?
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2016-02-10T00:43:01 < BrainDamage> i'm glad your reaction to a text you probably didn't understand was to outright ignore it
2016-02-10T00:44:04 < kakimir> transformers it is
2016-02-10T00:44:54 < kakimir> I was talking of _smd_ ferrites
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2016-02-10T01:04:12 < kakimir> is ferrite like on material
2016-02-10T01:04:30 < kakimir> one
2016-02-10T01:04:50 < kakimir> or set of stuff that has similar properties and consistency?
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2016-02-10T01:09:36 < kakimir> yes so it is many materials
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2016-02-10T01:29:08 < upgrdman_> kakimir, late reply, but if i had to guess, paper toward the dirty side, so the carbon doesn't get clogged easily.
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2016-02-10T01:35:48 < kakimir> that is what I thought too
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2016-02-10T02:20:11 < kakimir> is it true that 1uF makes generally better bypass cap than 100n?
2016-02-10T02:20:30 < kakimir> and why it isn't used accordingly?
2016-02-10T02:46:54 < kakimir> upgrdman: did you have the evil kitten?
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2016-02-10T02:50:52 < upgrdman> ?
2016-02-10T02:54:44 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: you had the evil kitten?
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2016-02-10T02:57:55 < Laurenceb_> what??
2016-02-10T03:00:02 < kakimir> somebody found that stray kitten and kept it dont remember who
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2016-02-10T03:03:38 < Laurenceb_> i did
2016-02-10T03:03:48 < Laurenceb_> but never talked about it here
2016-02-10T03:03:58 < Laurenceb_> as designated raep kitteh
2016-02-10T03:05:58 < kakimir> you had pic of it
2016-02-10T03:06:04 < kakimir> here
2016-02-10T03:07:27 < kakimir> you have new pics?
2016-02-10T03:09:44 < Laurenceb_> no this isnt facebook
2016-02-10T03:09:57 < Laurenceb_> and I'm not a 40 year old single woman
2016-02-10T03:10:08 < kakimir> not of you
2016-02-10T03:10:24 < kakimir> but that evil kitten
2016-02-10T03:11:50 < Laurenceb_> thats my point
2016-02-10T03:11:57 < Laurenceb_> I dont share photos of my cats
2016-02-10T03:12:22 < upgrdman> "no pussy for you"
2016-02-10T03:18:18 < kakimir> it's okay
2016-02-10T03:21:30 < kakimir> cats do not like having their photos in internets
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2016-02-10T03:28:28 < kakimir> that is the reason why I don't have photos of my cats shared
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2016-02-10T03:58:27 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/AG9QiAH.gifv
2016-02-10T04:04:52 < kakimir> amateur riding
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2016-02-10T04:32:51 < jadew`> you have to be an idiot to drive that close to a biker, especially on a road like that
2016-02-10T04:33:41 < jadew`> the rest of the story goes like this: the driver of the car went to jail.
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2016-02-10T04:49:31 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-02-10T04:55:33 < dongs> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/02/08/465984002/photos-of-cans-inside-taiwan-building-s-pillars-help-spur-call-for-safety-review way 2 go
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2016-02-10T05:03:54 < upgrdman> ...The use of cooking oil cans for such purposes in construction was not illegal prior to September 1999... lolwut
2016-02-10T05:07:48 < dongs> hmm
2016-02-10T05:07:55 < dongs> i got a box from switzerland and I ahve no idea what it is
2016-02-10T05:08:31 < dongs> ahahahah
2016-02-10T05:08:35 < dongs> ITS MY FREE F7-DISCO
2016-02-10T05:08:36 < upgrdman> deported syrian?
2016-02-10T05:08:38 < dongs> from that st.com signup
2016-02-10T05:08:43 < dongs> that readstoner got rejected from
2016-02-10T05:08:45 < upgrdman> cool
2016-02-10T05:09:26 < dongs> the only problem is now I have liek 3 of htem
2016-02-10T05:10:57 < jadew`> what!
2016-02-10T05:11:01 < jadew`> how do I get one?
2016-02-10T05:11:13 < dongs> jadew`: readstoner pasted some link off st.com
2016-02-10T05:11:18 < dongs> "get your complimentary f7-discovery"
2016-02-10T05:11:25 < dongs> i just filled out address liek a month ago and received it
2016-02-10T05:11:29 < dongs> he also did, and got rejected
2016-02-10T05:11:59 < dongs> oh wow, i applied 12/16/2015
2016-02-10T05:12:28 < jadew`> oh well, I guess they don't have them now anymore
2016-02-10T05:13:18 < dongs> https://www.pages01.net/stmicroelectronicsinternational/STM32F7_seminar
2016-02-10T05:13:19 < dongs> try it.
2016-02-10T05:13:26 < dongs> https://www.pages01.net/stmicroelectronicsinternational/STM32F7_seminar/STM32F7_CAMPAIGN_A?vs=MzVjMzk3OGItMmQxZi00MTdiLTllNmUtYTAzMDBkNzhjYTVhOzsS1
2016-02-10T05:13:29 < dongs> or this
2016-02-10T05:13:34 < dongs> i dont know which link is what, its in my browser history from dec 16
2016-02-10T05:13:44 < jadew`> page closed
2016-02-10T05:13:47 < dongs> aww. ownt
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2016-02-10T05:58:46 < dongs> hmm
2016-02-10T05:58:57 < dongs> TI has a nice wide V-in part but its fucking AEC qualified so its expensive as shit
2016-02-10T05:59:07 < dongs> cunts
2016-02-10T05:59:40 < dongs> no diode either
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2016-02-10T06:18:34 < upgrdman> wtf is mbed? looks like a online firmware ide?
2016-02-10T06:18:47 < upgrdman> online only?
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2016-02-10T06:32:37 < upgrdman> iirc i tried it, got pissed off, and uninstalled it
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2016-02-10T06:34:27 < upgrdman> R2COM, i have "c++ in a nutshell" (but an old version) and i mostly like it
2016-02-10T06:34:40 < upgrdman> way cheaper that that dildo&dildo textbook you bought
2016-02-10T06:35:45 < upgrdman> not that old
2016-02-10T06:35:52 < upgrdman> from like 2011 or 2012
2016-02-10T06:36:04 < aandrew> seems a silly thing to think
2016-02-10T06:36:14 < aandrew> code from 1999 still builds fine with 2016 compilers
2016-02-10T06:36:20 < aandrew> you
2016-02-10T06:36:47 < aandrew> you might not know about the latest fells and whistles available to the language, but the old book would still be plenty valid
2016-02-10T06:39:55 < aandrew> heh
2016-02-10T06:40:53 < aandrew> when I was in grade 10 or 11 I won a skills canada competition. one of the things in the prize pack was a full watcom C++ compiler boxed set including bjarne's book
2016-02-10T06:41:06 < aandrew> I remember installing it and hating C++ from that moment on
2016-02-10T06:46:10 < dongs> i believe you're a tool
2016-02-10T06:49:17 < aandrew> heh
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2016-02-10T06:56:22 < dongs> i dont remember.
2016-02-10T06:56:25 < dongs> if I did, i was too stoned
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2016-02-10T06:59:58 < dongs> er define "generation"
2016-02-10T07:00:05 < dongs> they're all raster at the end of the day
2016-02-10T07:00:14 < dongs> you don't draw a line on any cheap lcd
2016-02-10T07:00:24 < dongs> you draw a line on frambuffer and then send it to lcd
2016-02-10T07:00:29 < dongs> on any
2016-02-10T07:00:43 < dongs> the only shit that can do primitives and stuff is that 4D stuff that sparkfuck sells
2016-02-10T07:00:49 < dongs> because they have some mcu on there that does drawing
2016-02-10T07:01:02 < dongs> and you just send it drawing commands + bitmaps + wahtever
2016-02-10T07:01:09 < dongs> or that FTDI FT800 thing.
2016-02-10T07:02:01 < dongs> yeah sure
2016-02-10T07:02:23 < dongs> i mean, your lowlevel hardware driver eventually ends up being drawframebuffer() and maybe swap() if its doublebuffered
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2016-02-10T07:04:23 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smz2cU3FfFk idid this shit like 4 years ago with a  SPI lcd
2016-02-10T07:04:34 < dongs> code that was originalyl written for DOS writing to a frambuffer
2016-02-10T07:04:39 < dongs> sTM32-specific part was just dumping it over spi
2016-02-10T07:05:45 < emeb_mac> dongs: yep - and I used your code to run it on an F3 too
2016-02-10T07:06:13 < dongs> touchscreen has nothign to do wiht lcd
2016-02-10T07:06:19 < dongs> no, you get x/y points or omeshit
2016-02-10T07:06:25 < dongs> i only used some chink thing
2016-02-10T07:06:30 < dongs> XPTsomething over spi
2016-02-10T07:06:35 < dongs> thats on those $3 lcds
2016-02-10T07:06:38 < emeb_mac> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRZuZSSyqlo
2016-02-10T07:06:47 < dongs> emeb_mac: proing
2016-02-10T07:06:56 < emeb_mac> dongs: totally
2016-02-10T07:08:43 < emeb_mac> dongs: ever used an ILI9341 on STM32?
2016-02-10T07:08:54 < emeb_mac> QVGA LCD...
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2016-02-10T07:09:42 < dongs> arent tehyt all same?
2016-02-10T07:09:48 < dongs> that crap on F4disco was some ILI thing too
2016-02-10T07:10:10 < emeb_mac> so I heard
2016-02-10T07:10:12 < dongs> i usually dont care waht hte LCD controlelr is, there's always sample code to init + write to it
2016-02-10T07:10:19 < emeb_mac> true
2016-02-10T07:10:24 < dongs> copy iinit code from somewehre, and done
2016-02-10T07:10:30 < emeb_mac> 'zactly
2016-02-10T07:10:34 < dongs> https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_ILI9341
2016-02-10T07:10:35 < dongs> even this will work
2016-02-10T07:10:48 < dongs> just remove aidsfruit parts.
2016-02-10T07:11:06 < dongs> void Adafruit_ILI9341::begin(void) {
2016-02-10T07:11:06 < dongs> man
2016-02-10T07:11:12 < dongs> why the fuck do they always write some abvsolute shit code
2016-02-10T07:11:22 < dongs> i mean if you have more than like 3 lines of
2016-02-10T07:11:27 < dongs> 'write command', ' write data'
2016-02-10T07:11:31 < dongs> put all that shit in a god damn array
2016-02-10T07:11:33 < dongs> and loop through it
2016-02-10T07:12:06 < dongs> geeeez.
2016-02-10T07:12:10 < jpa-> why?
2016-02-10T07:12:17 < dongs> jpa, beacuse it will be 1000x more readable
2016-02-10T07:12:21 < jpa-> not really
2016-02-10T07:12:33 < jpa-> and besides, who wants to read it?
2016-02-10T07:12:44 < dongs> https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_ILI9341/blob/master/Adafruit_ILI9341.cpp#L262
2016-02-10T07:12:51 < dongs> less readable than that ^?
2016-02-10T07:13:33 < jpa-> could have commented it, true
2016-02-10T07:13:41 < dongs> vs like struct fag { uint8_t cmd, uint8_* data } = { bla bla } and then looping thorugh it?
2016-02-10T07:13:53 < dongs> maybe a size in tehre or something too
2016-02-10T07:13:58 < dongs> but point is, it would be liek 10 lines instead of 100
2016-02-10T07:14:03 < jpa-> yeah, and having to keep the size consistent etc.
2016-02-10T07:14:27 < jpa-> but yeah, i see your point
2016-02-10T07:15:16 < jpa-> on the other hand i kind of like just hex numbers with comments, as it is easier to copypaste than proper defines :P
2016-02-10T07:17:10 < dongs> besides
2016-02-10T07:17:18 < dongs> for most LCDs the CMD/Data thing is generally just a high bit change
2016-02-10T07:17:42 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/fLYfY269.html i mean some random monochrome LCD i just init like this
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2016-02-10T07:18:35 < dongs> and send_commands() is just a spi write loop
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2016-02-10T07:22:39 < dongs> ya the only bits there i wrote was the COM/ADC stuff
2016-02-10T07:22:45 < dongs> the rest are not even my  style comments
2016-02-10T07:22:48 < dongs> as there's no space after //
2016-02-10T07:23:04 < dongs> the rest was copypasted str8 from jerkware
2016-02-10T07:32:44 < emeb_mac> Russian ingenuity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=3j7n00Xx38o
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2016-02-10T07:40:04 < jadew`> alright... so after 3 days of intense gdbserver debugging (and I mean debugging the gdb server, remotely, with printf)
2016-02-10T07:41:02 < jadew`> I managed to fix my cross toolchain and was finally able to debug my program to figure out that it wasn't a stack corruption but just a broken condition
2016-02-10T07:51:51 < emeb_mac> apparently so - inflatable on-the-fly according to the top-gear article I saw
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2016-02-10T07:52:21 < emeb_mac> I expect that these will be making an appearance in a Bond movie.
2016-02-10T08:05:04 < upgrdman> R2COM, that camera man must have been drinking too much vodka. can't hold it steady for shit
2016-02-10T08:11:36 < emeb_mac> hah - "too much vodka" - does that even apply to a russian?
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2016-02-10T09:49:34 < emeryth> so System Workbench for lunix, how bad is it?
2016-02-10T09:49:48 < emeryth> compared to gnu arm eclipse?
2016-02-10T09:50:56 < jpa-> having used neither, i say it is worse
2016-02-10T09:56:12 < dongs> worse than lunix
2016-02-10T09:57:15 < jpa-> that's not really possible, is it?
2016-02-10T10:02:32 < dongs> very difficult.
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2016-02-10T11:13:20 < mitrax> what would you use for a 2 to 1 RS232C switch? (RX/TX only no control flow), a simple cmos analog switch that can handle -15/+15V? friend of mine is using miniature DIL relays but he says that causes noise during the transition. I wonder if there are dedicated chip for that that mimics the selected input without any analog commutation
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2016-02-10T11:16:29 < PeterM> mitrax probbaly stick a max232 and then analog muxthe ttl signals
2016-02-10T11:17:01 < mitrax> logic mux you mean?
2016-02-10T11:17:35 < PeterM> at rs232 bspeeds you can use whatever mux you want
2016-02-10T11:18:43 < karlp> hey dongs, yay! my f7 disco turned up the other day too :)
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2016-02-10T11:19:19 < PeterM> karlp, how much did the taxes copst?
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2016-02-10T11:30:59 < karlp> PeterM: surprisingly, zero!
2016-02-10T11:31:25 < karlp> unless tnt is going to do pull the trick of calling me a month later and sending me an invoice for some absurd amount
2016-02-10T11:31:44 < karlp> that's happened before, we'll see :)
2016-02-10T11:32:03 < karlp> sounds like ST just knows how to do "free" properly.
2016-02-10T11:32:16 < karlp> TI free meant I ended up paying something lik $20 or so
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2016-02-10T11:33:27 < jpa-> UPS usually sends me customs bills to some crazy old address that has nothing to do with the one on the package
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2016-02-10T11:36:44 < zyp> did you forget to update your billing addr? :)
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2016-02-10T11:39:03 < PeterM> "forgot"
2016-02-10T11:40:55 < jpa-> zyp: where?
2016-02-10T11:41:04 < jpa-> no, it is not the digikey billing address either
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2016-02-10T12:34:23 < dongs> karlp: cool
2016-02-10T12:34:31 < dongs> yeah it came by TNT
2016-02-10T12:34:37 < dongs> by same guy who usually brings SF and Fedex shit
2016-02-10T12:34:53 < dongs> it was valued at 7960 JPY which is below 10k jap tax anyway
2016-02-10T12:34:58 < dongs> above 10k it would be * 8%
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2016-02-10T12:50:52 < artag> do you guys know about the ST 'LL' libs ?
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2016-02-10T12:56:02 < dongs> wtf is it
2016-02-10T12:56:40 < artag> it's a thinner HAL
2016-02-10T12:58:17 < dongs> link or it didnt happen
2016-02-10T12:58:22 < dongs> i think i saw something like this once then stopped caring
2016-02-10T12:58:35 < artag> fairly new, I think : it doesn't cover the whole range (initially the L parts) but is growing
2016-02-10T12:59:09 < artag> the story is amusing .. it looks like ST tried to use Cube themselves :)
2016-02-10T12:59:59 < artag> they're trying to do super-low-power and determined that inefficient code was a significant contribution (who'd have known ??)
2016-02-10T13:00:39 < artag> So part of their low power advice is to optimise better. And they appear to have realised that the HAL doesn't do this :)
2016-02-10T13:01:40 < artag> The LL (low level, i think) interface is a register access layer that's currently alongside HAL. They can't ditch HAL because middleware uses it
2016-02-10T13:01:53 < artag> but LL at least plays nice alongside#
2016-02-10T13:02:27 < artag> There is a possibility HAL will eventually use LL as it's lowest level (yay ! another layer !)
2016-02-10T13:02:46 < dongs> yeah so its gonna be hal on top of hal on top of aids
2016-02-10T13:02:52 < dongs> might as well just use libopencm3
2016-02-10T13:03:18 < artag> yeah, i don't know why they don't just adopt that
2016-02-10T13:04:15 < artag> anyway, LL might be a cleaner way to start with HAL and migrate off it, since that's their plan.
2016-02-10T13:04:35 < zyp> heh
2016-02-10T13:07:16 < artag> http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM147/CL1794/SC961/SS1743/LN1897/PF261908?icmp=pf261908_pron_pr_sep2015&sc=stm32cubel4-pr
2016-02-10T13:07:46 < zyp> I ordered a minivna
2016-02-10T13:08:02 < dongs> Both the HAL and LL APIs are production-ready and have been developed in compliance with MISRA-C guidelines and ISO/TS 16949. On top of that, ST specific validation processes add a deeper-level qualification.
2016-02-10T13:08:24 < artag> There isn't a whole lot of documentation I've found yet. The text above mentions 'The HAL and LL APIs' which is a clue. I think they should be found in BSP related to L parts, especially L4
2016-02-10T13:08:37 < zyp> I figured I need it to tune the NFC antenna so I can start selling them, and once I've sold the first batch of NFC boards, it have paid for itself
2016-02-10T13:10:42 < qyx> whats minivna
2016-02-10T13:11:02 < zyp> http://miniradiosolutions.com/54-2/
2016-02-10T13:12:02 < qyx> huh, does it really have an android app and runs using otg?
2016-02-10T13:12:18 < zyp> idk, I think android app is mostly for the other one with bluetooth
2016-02-10T13:12:27 < zyp> http://miniradiosolutions.com/minivna-pro/ <- this one
2016-02-10T13:12:59 < zyp> but that one only goes up to 200Mhz, other one goes to 3GHz
2016-02-10T13:13:13 < zyp> and I might want to do 2.4GHz antennas in the future
2016-02-10T13:14:02 < qyx> uf, 450€
2016-02-10T13:14:28 < zyp> I paid 406€ shipped
2016-02-10T13:14:40 < zyp> i.e. around $450
2016-02-10T13:15:11 < zyp> and for a VNA that's dirt cheap :p
2016-02-10T13:15:50 < dongs> pro paypal purchase
2016-02-10T13:15:52 < zyp> last VNA I used were some $20k+ Rhode&Schwartz thing
2016-02-10T13:17:39 < zyp> dongs, so NFC chip woke up after I ghettoed a wire to the pad I forgot
2016-02-10T13:18:17 < dongs> cool
2016-02-10T13:18:21 < zyp> after dicking around with firmware, I got it to read cards
2016-02-10T13:18:28 < zyp> but only certain cards, at a very short range
2016-02-10T13:18:35 < dongs> did you do all that durign work time
2016-02-10T13:18:43 < zyp> m24lr demo board doesn't get enough power to light up lcd
2016-02-10T13:18:52 < zyp> no, yesterday afternoon
2016-02-10T13:19:00 < dongs> ah so your coil was shit after all>?
2016-02-10T13:20:00 < zyp> the coil is probably fine, but the values for the matching network needs to be changed
2016-02-10T13:20:33 < zyp> it's probably tuned for a completely different frequency and thus not very efficient at 13.56MHz
2016-02-10T13:21:07 < zyp> which is why I ordered the VNA, so I can measure it and calculate what I need to change
2016-02-10T13:21:39 < dongs> mkay
2016-02-10T13:23:28 < zyp> so I'm gonna dick around with it when I get the VNA, and then probably do another prototype run with better values and adding the missing signal
2016-02-10T13:24:24 < dongs> yep ok
2016-02-10T13:25:15 < zyp> and after that I'll probably do volume runs of both boards
2016-02-10T13:25:47 < zyp> oh, and I'll probably do another batch of arcin soon too
2016-02-10T13:26:10 < zyp> bunch of people have been asking me when they'll be available again
2016-02-10T13:27:01 < dongs> excellent
2016-02-10T13:27:27 < zyp> should I change that design to that other usb connector you talked about too?
2016-02-10T13:27:44 < dongs> how many boards is it?
2016-02-10T13:27:49 < dongs> it will be more expensive because of redoing stencil
2016-02-10T13:27:55 < dongs> can keep that one as-is
2016-02-10T13:27:57 < dongs> since it works
2016-02-10T13:28:19 < dongs> i still have some < reel left of the old stuff, and I can get them normally anyway.
2016-02-10T13:28:32 < dongs> but any new stuff plz use new socket
2016-02-10T13:28:38 < zyp> yeah, I were just wondering if it'll reduce number of failed boards because of bad usb connector soldering
2016-02-10T13:28:55 < zyp> since the new ones sounded easier to resolder
2016-02-10T13:28:58 < dongs> it will if you reuse same socket and just increase hole by 0.1mm
2016-02-10T13:29:10 < dongs> are nfc+other shitboard using new socket?
2016-02-10T13:29:11 < dongs> or old
2016-02-10T13:29:24 < zyp> old, so far, you didn't mention new socket until after you assembled them
2016-02-10T13:29:27 < dongs> sounds like old
2016-02-10T13:29:28 < dongs> ah right
2016-02-10T13:29:38 < dongs> you should move those for next prototypign to the new socket.
2016-02-10T13:29:47 < zyp> yeah, I'm planning to
2016-02-10T13:31:56 < dongs> 0.6/1.25 and 0.65/0.95 for hte mounting holes
2016-02-10T13:32:05 < dongs> slots
2016-02-10T13:32:19 < dongs> and that should be OK.
2016-02-10T13:32:40 < dongs> i'm doing 1.5k boards with that new socket this weekend so I'll know how it works with that footprint
2016-02-10T13:32:56 < zyp> cool
2016-02-10T13:33:03 < dongs> and as far as resoldering its about the same
2016-02-10T13:33:14 < dongs> the pads stick out a bit instead of being buried
2016-02-10T13:33:26 < zyp> that should make it easier
2016-02-10T13:33:27 < dongs> so you can touch them with an iron if you dont have toom uch shit too close to conector
2016-02-10T13:33:40 < zyp> because the old ones were hard as fuck to resolder
2016-02-10T13:33:53 < dongs> its liek a 30 second job under IR lamp
2016-02-10T13:33:56 < dongs> heat up + push it down
2016-02-10T13:34:20 < zyp> sure, assuming you've got an IR lamp
2016-02-10T13:34:21 < zyp> :p
2016-02-10T13:34:27 < dongs> get one, its one of protools
2016-02-10T13:34:41 < dongs> of course better would be not fucking up in the first place :)
2016-02-10T13:34:52 < zyp> oh, remember those boards I sent back to get the usb connector fixed?
2016-02-10T13:35:01 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-10T13:35:06 < dongs> didnt it happen?
2016-02-10T13:35:09 < zyp> half of them came back with solder inside the socket, so plugs wouldn't fit
2016-02-10T13:35:18 < dongs> o yeah i think you raged about that
2016-02-10T13:35:41 < dongs> i vaguely remember solder in plug discussion.
2016-02-10T13:36:21 < zyp> got tired of dicking around with that, so now I just throw defective boards in a box and forget about them
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2016-02-10T13:37:31 < dongs> A secure connection cannot be established because this site uses an unsupported protocol or cipher suite. This is likely to be caused when the server needs RC4, which is no longer considered secure.
2016-02-10T13:37:35 < dongs> fucking chrome
2016-02-10T13:37:46 < dongs> opening up IE6
2016-02-10T13:39:01 < artag> maybe you could read it through the Wayback machine. Since it seems to be stuck in the 90s.
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2016-02-10T13:39:15 < zyp> haha
2016-02-10T13:40:44 < zyp> heh, delivery confirmation on minivna got classified as spam
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2016-02-10T13:41:12 < zyp> "why is this message in spam? it's in a different language than mails you usually get" (german)
2016-02-10T13:41:19 < dongs> lewl
2016-02-10T13:41:33 < zyp> fucking german spammers, right
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2016-02-10T13:50:19 < dongs> why hte fuck does pulse have like 9000 different  magnetics in soic16
2016-02-10T13:50:29 < dongs> literally like 50 different models that are just slightly different by pinout
2016-02-10T13:53:18 < Laurenceb_> do you feel the Bern? Visit a sexual health clinic to get checked out
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2016-02-10T14:41:50 < dongs> https://projectgus.com/2013/03/anatomy-of-a-cheap-usb-ethernet-adapter/ lol
2016-02-10T14:45:18 < zyp> haha, using digikey for prices
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2016-02-10T14:50:52 < dongs> also apple board is 4L
2016-02-10T14:50:54 < dongs> chinashit is 2L
2016-02-10T14:50:58 < dongs> with offset drilled vias
2016-02-10T14:51:07 < dongs> the best kind
2016-02-10T14:52:07 < Sync> he needs to zeptobars the ic
2016-02-10T14:53:13 < dongs> fuck zeptobars
2016-02-10T14:53:21 < dongs> its gonna be like a year since i sent him stm + atmega clones
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2016-02-10T14:54:39 < dongs> sent him mail again.
2016-02-10T14:55:38 < dongs> TWITTER: GET BREAKING NEWS
2016-02-10T14:55:38 < kakimir> i need usb ethernet
2016-02-10T14:55:48 < dongs> hit up ebay for that $3 thing then.
2016-02-10T14:55:55 < kakimir> nopw
2016-02-10T14:56:02 < dongs> then shut up and make your own
2016-02-10T14:56:08 < kakimir> waiting for your recommends
2016-02-10T14:56:16 < dongs> on what
2016-02-10T14:56:21 < dongs> i just used the shit from rageberrypi
2016-02-10T14:56:44 < Sync> gotta send them to me dongs
2016-02-10T14:56:58 < dongs> sync, i aint sending shit until I see proof that it will be done :)
2016-02-10T14:57:02 < kakimir> becauae you want to buy one cheao one to bro4 too?
2016-02-10T14:57:06 < dongs> or its gonna be zeptobars 2.0
2016-02-10T14:57:21 < dongs> kakimir: waaat. no, i have a nice ebay usb3hub/gige adapter for bro
2016-02-10T14:57:28 < dongs> that $3 shit is 10/100
2016-02-10T14:57:48 < kakimir> that is what i need too
2016-02-10T14:59:57 < dongs> http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/161230948161-0-0/s-l140.jpg
2016-02-10T14:59:59 < dongs> mine looked like this
2016-02-10T15:00:08 < dongs> i dont see them aroudn anymore tho
2016-02-10T15:00:29 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/111868154241
2016-02-10T15:00:32 < dongs> ther's shit like this
2016-02-10T15:00:48 < dongs> they're all same
2016-02-10T15:00:51 < dongs> some random asix chip
2016-02-10T15:00:57 < dongs> i forget it hub chip was separate too
2016-02-10T15:01:00 < dongs> i think it was
2016-02-10T15:01:06 < dongs> 4 port hub, 3 ports outside, 1 port to asix
2016-02-10T15:01:10 < dongs> and 1 port uplink
2016-02-10T15:01:24 < Sync> http://sync-hv.de/~tmp/mcm6664_1.jpg already have proof dongs
2016-02-10T15:02:13 < dongs> did you stitch that using OPEN SORES
2016-02-10T15:04:46 < kakimir> what is that usb connector
2016-02-10T15:04:54 < kakimir> it's ridiculous shiiet
2016-02-10T15:05:29 < dongs> wat usb connector
2016-02-10T15:06:06 < kakimir> in your link
2016-02-10T15:06:28 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-3-0-to-10-100-1000-Gigabit-RJ45-Ethernet-LAN-Network-Adapter-Black-FT-/111714863499 I rather have this as I have plenty of free usb ports
2016-02-10T15:07:05 < dongs> bro4 has more than one usb port???
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2016-02-10T15:12:41 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/371206036773 how the fuck is this even possible lol
2016-02-10T15:13:01 < kakimir> dongs: no way it has
2016-02-10T15:13:54 < dongs> 6” capacitive touch screen + 540 x 960 screen resolution
2016-02-10T15:13:55 < dongs> lol
2016-02-10T15:17:21 < crt> what a crook
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2016-02-10T15:23:20 < Martin90> hmm what's rong here ->  RCC_APB2PeriphClockCmd(RCC_APB2Periph_GPIOA, ENABLE); // run GPIO module
2016-02-10T15:23:38 < Martin90> eclipse complains "Symbol 'RCC_APB2Periph_GPIOA' could not be resolved"
2016-02-10T15:23:42 < dongs> er
2016-02-10T15:24:16 < dongs> pretty sure gpio is on AHB or somethigtn
2016-02-10T15:24:17 < dongs> on F4
2016-02-10T15:24:27 < dongs> open up the fucking f4xx header and look
2016-02-10T15:25:26 < dongs> or open up datasheet for wahtever thign you're targeting and look at block diagram and see whichbus GPIO is on
2016-02-10T15:25:54 < dongs> if F4, it'll be RCC_AHB1Periph_GPIOA etc.
2016-02-10T15:26:06 < Martin90> I try to program nucelo on F446
2016-02-10T15:27:16 < dongs> so thats your answer.
2016-02-10T15:27:22 < dongs> GPIO is on AHB1, not on APB2.
2016-02-10T15:27:38 < dongs> you're copypasting shit code from F1 or something.
2016-02-10T15:28:18 < Martin90> dongs: correct its from F1
2016-02-10T15:28:26 < zyp> haha
2016-02-10T15:28:36 < zyp> that API is so horrible
2016-02-10T15:28:49 < dongs> it sure is
2016-02-10T15:28:55 < Martin90> I am starting with STM32 so sorry
2016-02-10T15:29:02 < dongs> how many times have dickheads done RCC_APB2Periphrblah(RCC_APB1Periph_sHit)
2016-02-10T15:29:07 < dongs> and then raged that it didnt work
2016-02-10T15:29:32 < Martin90> zyp, dongs: so "StdPeriph_Driver" is shit ?
2016-02-10T15:29:54 < zyp> Martin90, in my opinion, it is
2016-02-10T15:30:15 < Martin90> zyp: so what is worth using instead ?
2016-02-10T15:30:20 < dongs> it works
2016-02-10T15:30:22 < dongs> its not amazing
2016-02-10T15:30:27 < dongs> but you can at least find sample code for it
2016-02-10T15:30:34 < dongs> and ST has sample code for each board/stdperiphlib.
2016-02-10T15:31:07 < zyp> Martin90, I'd suggest looking at libopencm3
2016-02-10T15:31:21 < dongs> does libfuckingcm3 even support F446...
2016-02-10T15:31:35 < zyp> that I don't know :)
2016-02-10T15:31:47 < dongs> no point sending him to that shit if it doesnt work
2016-02-10T15:31:52 < zyp> does stdperiphlib?
2016-02-10T15:31:56 < dongs> sure?
2016-02-10T15:31:58 < Martin90> yes
2016-02-10T15:31:58 < dongs> hes using it right now
2016-02-10T15:32:06 < dongs> the F4 lib is still updated
2016-02-10T15:32:12 < ReadError> yea cmsis and stdperiph does
2016-02-10T15:32:14 < dongs> they support the 429/479? whatver shits
2016-02-10T15:32:17 < ReadError> i have a project using it
2016-02-10T15:32:43 < Martin90> I was thinking that "stdperiphlib" is good after all it's  STMicroelectronics product...
2016-02-10T15:32:43 < zyp> so new chips aren't cube only?
2016-02-10T15:32:50 < dongs> some arent.
2016-02-10T15:32:57 < zyp> okay
2016-02-10T15:33:22 < zyp> Martin90, eh, vendor code tends to be bad
2016-02-10T15:34:09 < zyp> I suspect it's often a matter of "hey, let's put out some code that shows that the chip works, and let the customer worry about the rest"
2016-02-10T15:34:35 < Martin90> ok so what would you recommend, should I stick with it or use something else, and if so what lib ?
2016-02-10T15:34:49 < ReadError> F446 even worked in chibios
2016-02-10T15:34:54 < ReadError> w/ a bit of hacking to add it
2016-02-10T15:35:41 < qyx> how do you measure alkaline cell voltage?
2016-02-10T15:35:46 < qyx> oh, never mind
2016-02-10T15:36:03 < qyx> I can connect it to ADC directly, no need for voltage divider
2016-02-10T15:37:05 < dongs> Martin90: it seems you're failing regardless, so might as well use something that will have lots of sample code
2016-02-10T15:37:11 < dongs> another words stick with stdperiph
2016-02-10T15:37:19 < qyx> I spent nearly 15 minutes figuring out if it is better to use nmosfet or pmosfet to disconnect the divider
2016-02-10T15:37:29 < zyp> Martin90, I would still suggest libopencm3
2016-02-10T15:37:43 < dongs> Martin90: are you using lunix
2016-02-10T15:38:23 < Martin90> dongs: no
2016-02-10T15:38:37 < dongs> zyp, it seems like opencm3 would be counterproductive for this gentleman
2016-02-10T15:38:57 < Martin90> dongs: why do you think so ?
2016-02-10T15:38:59 < zyp> fair point
2016-02-10T15:39:06 < dongs> Martin90: because you're not using lunix
2016-02-10T15:39:59 < Martin90> hmm so do you have any other alternative to "StdPeriph_Driver" ?
2016-02-10T15:40:11 < zyp> libopencm3 is designed with a unix mindset, so it might not be that familiar if you're used to a windows mindset
2016-02-10T15:40:25 < Laurenceb> https://archive.is/jVANh
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2016-02-10T15:40:47 < qyx> I like the "windows mindset"
2016-02-10T15:42:42 < Martin90> I use system workbench for STM32
2016-02-10T15:43:11 < dongs> windows mindset: add a couple files to porject, build, done
2016-02-10T15:43:38 < dongs> lunix mindset: fuck around with 50 different folders, 20 different makefiles, find out that the shit doesn't support your chip, fork it, rename it to libopenAIDS, implement your chip, dont contribute code back to original project, done
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2016-02-10T15:43:58 < dongs> how far off am I
2016-02-10T15:44:19 < zyp> 420% true
2016-02-10T15:45:03 < Martin90> I feel kinda lost ;/
2016-02-10T15:46:27 < dongs> did you fix your gpio problem?
2016-02-10T15:46:29 < dongs> get back to coding :)
2016-02-10T15:46:35 < Martin90> btw, is there serious datasheet for StdPeriph_Driver ?
2016-02-10T15:46:47 < dongs> no, there's a  whole bunch of examples
2016-02-10T15:47:00 < dongs> STM32F4xx_DSP_StdPeriph_Lib_V1.6.0\Project\STM32F4xx_StdPeriph_Examples
2016-02-10T15:47:09 < dongs> that should cover pretty much every normal use case for these things.
2016-02-10T15:49:39 < Martin90> ok thanks
2016-02-10T15:50:13 < Martin90> speaking about fixing that buggy code, no I've fixed it yet
2016-02-10T15:50:33 < Martin90> last problem "GPIO_Mode_Out_PP"
2016-02-10T15:50:57 < Martin90> undeclared error of couse ;p
2016-02-10T15:51:05 < dongs> STM32F4xx_DSP_StdPeriph_Lib_V1.6.0\Project\STM32F4xx_StdPeriph_Examples\GPIO\GPIO_IOToggle
2016-02-10T15:51:08 < dongs> go.
2016-02-10T15:51:08 < dongs> read.
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2016-02-10T15:51:27 < dongs> fuck, thats a useless example
2016-02-10T15:51:43 < Martin90> why ?
2016-02-10T15:52:02 < dongs> actaully never mind
2016-02-10T15:52:06 < dongs> it d oes cover what youre asking
2016-02-10T15:52:28 < dongs> dude just read the example source, tehn read STM32F4xx_DSP_StdPeriph_Lib_V1.6.0\Libraries\STM32F4xx_StdPeriph_Driver\inc\ and wahtever .h file you're trying to use
2016-02-10T15:52:36 < dongs> like stm32f4xx_gpio.h etc
2016-02-10T15:52:43 < dongs> it shows all the structs, and what parameters shit expects etc
2016-02-10T15:52:48 < dongs> if you know C where's the problme
2016-02-10T15:52:51 < dongs> this is like common sense.
2016-02-10T15:53:10 < Martin90> yes at least I know C quite well ;)
2016-02-10T15:54:23 < Martin90> dongs: hmm I can't find any example fodler o.0
2016-02-10T15:54:27 < Martin90> folder*
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2016-02-10T15:55:26 < Martin90> it contains only inc and src folders
2016-02-10T16:04:07 < emeryth> examples are in stdperiphlib/Projects/
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2016-02-10T16:12:08 < Martin90> emeryth: thanks I noticed that my eclipse downloaded only inc and scr so I had to download whole lib manualy
2016-02-10T16:12:19 < Martin90> no I see toggle example
2016-02-10T16:13:14 < Martin90> could you recommend a good introduction book to STM32 MCUs ?
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2016-02-10T16:13:32 < Martin90> I have experience in 8 bits AVRs
2016-02-10T16:14:02 < Martin90> so I don't have to learn about bit setting or what register is
2016-02-10T16:14:02 < PaulFertser> Martin90: just read the datasheet, you'll have to anyway.
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2016-02-10T16:15:08 < Martin90> PaulFertser: rather "reference manual" since STM32 DS are very poor lack serious info to learn basics
2016-02-10T16:15:46 < PaulFertser> Martin90: yep, sorry for sloppy terminology.
2016-02-10T16:17:11 < Martin90> ok no problem, but seriously, any book ? I am scanning amazon right now, but can't find anything worth...
2016-02-10T16:18:49 < PaulFertser> Martin90: no kidding, I didn't read any book, the reference manual seemed fine for the purpose.
2016-02-10T16:19:09 < karlp> Martin90: honestly, I don't think the avr datasheets are really any better, now that I've gone back to look at one recently.
2016-02-10T16:19:25 < karlp> the important thing is to make sure that you have both the _datasheet_ and the _reference manual_ for your stm32 parts,
2016-02-10T16:19:37 < karlp> unlike avr, which puts al the docs in the single file.
2016-02-10T16:20:32 < Martin90> PaulFertser, karlp: thank you guys ;)
2016-02-10T16:21:01 < zyp> the stm32 documentation is some of the better microcontroller documentation I've seen
2016-02-10T16:21:19 < zyp> it's comprehensive enough and very easy to navigate once you get used to what's where
2016-02-10T16:22:33 < Martin90> zyp: yes if you are talking about refernce manual which is 1,3K+ pages
2016-02-10T16:22:46 < PaulFertser> But to really understand the ISR handling you need to read not only the RM but also some Cortex-M3 ARM doc and ARMv7-M ARM doc :(
2016-02-10T16:22:51 < zyp> I'm talking of the entire collection of it
2016-02-10T16:22:58 < zyp> PaulFertser, that's true
2016-02-10T16:23:10 < Martin90> interrupts right ?
2016-02-10T16:23:12 < zyp> but arm's documentation is also good
2016-02-10T16:23:42 < Martin90> nice to hear it zyp ;)
2016-02-10T16:24:18 < dongs> BREAKING: shithub is dying. 10 exect left
2016-02-10T16:24:21 < dongs> execs
2016-02-10T16:24:38 < zyp> are they being executed?
2016-02-10T16:24:42 < PaulFertser> Plus that EXTI odditie that some non-zero time need to be spent before clearing the EXTI flag and ISR handler return, not sure where that's documented, probably in some AN...
2016-02-10T16:25:17 < karlp> Martin90: also, just remember, don't ever copy anything for an f1, it's not the same, and the first and most important differneces are the gpio controller, so you get immediate pain straight away.
2016-02-10T16:25:33 < zyp> PaulFertser, my guess is RM or errata sheet, depending on which design stage this were discovered at
2016-02-10T16:25:34 < dongs> time to check freelancer
2016-02-10T16:25:57 < PaulFertser> Martin90: another random advice: if you're using the shit-library, always do *StructInit for all the structs you use.
2016-02-10T16:26:22 < Martin90> karlp: sure I knew it wont work but I was lost since I haven't had good doc
2016-02-10T16:27:09 < PaulFertser> zyp: in a hindsight, that's kind of obvious if one understands that EXTI controller is essentially an external peripheral from the NVIC's point of view and that it takes time to communicate to it.
2016-02-10T16:27:13 < Martin90> PaulFertser: well the funny think is you call vendor library "shit" ;p
2016-02-10T16:28:09 < englishman> time to run gitlab on a synology amirite
2016-02-10T16:28:13 < PaulFertser> Yes, NVIC facilities vs EXTI facilities is probably the most confusing thing in the ST docs. E.g. when you're trying to understand if you can have edge-triggered interrupts on GPIO pins.
2016-02-10T16:28:20 < karlp> "I know it won't work, but let's try it anyway, and then ask people to help me fix it"
2016-02-10T16:28:46 < PaulFertser> Martin90: I really dislike it, that's plain awful in both architecture and implementation, IMHO.
2016-02-10T16:29:18 < Martin90> PaulFertser: I don't dispute that (I have no expierence at all) but the question remains - what alternative ?
2016-02-10T16:29:36 < zyp> "write your own" is always one
2016-02-10T16:29:52 < zyp> it's what I chose, but I wouldn't recommend it for anybody :p
2016-02-10T16:30:05 < Martin90> zyp: if you have a lot of free time - maybe...
2016-02-10T16:30:35 < PaulFertser> Martin90: there're some: libopencm3, ChibiOS, luks, stm32plus.
2016-02-10T16:30:59 < Martin90> also I can;t imagine what may be wrong with their offcial lib
2016-02-10T16:31:11 < zyp> the API is stupid
2016-02-10T16:31:18 < Martin90> PaulFertser: ok I will check them thanks ;)
2016-02-10T16:32:40 < zyp> it's a fairly low level API, in that it doesn't do any magic for you, you still have to configure all parts of a peripheral manually, but it's using stupid structs to hold what you want to do, and nothing is named the same as it is in the reference manual, so you still have to translate between the two
2016-02-10T16:33:08 < zyp> so it's as heavy as an abstraction layer, but it doesn't really abstract anything
2016-02-10T16:33:38 < zyp> just take your own problem as an example, you wanted to turn on the clock for GPIOA
2016-02-10T16:34:10 < zyp> to do that, you still need to know which bus GPIOA is on, even though the library could figure this out for you
2016-02-10T16:34:26 < zyp> in my lib I type RCC.enable(RCC.GPIOA);
2016-02-10T16:34:30 < PaulFertser> zyp: also, you are not actually forced to properly initialise the peripheral because you can omit some struct fields. So even if you used *structinit you can still be screwed if you misremembered the default for the fields you've omitted.
2016-02-10T16:34:31 < Martin90> zyp: thanks for detailed description, sounds reasonable
2016-02-10T16:34:43 < zyp> in libopencm3 you type rcc_enable(RCC_GPIOA)
2016-02-10T16:34:51 < zyp> or something like that
2016-02-10T16:35:06 < zyp> and it does the rest for you
2016-02-10T16:35:17 < zyp> less typing and less potential for error
2016-02-10T16:35:38 < zyp> and it works across all supported stm32 families
2016-02-10T16:35:57 < Martin90> Well I wanted to check libopencm3 but somebody warn me that it may not suit my needs right ?
2016-02-10T16:36:26 < zyp> it can be a hassle to use if you're not used to the unix mindset, working with makefiles and stuff like that
2016-02-10T16:36:34 < PaulFertser> There was also a nasty bug in f1 uart defines that made overrun detection not work so we've spent plenty of time wondering why our firmware sometimes hanged hard and it was just spinning in and out of the ISR never clearing the overrun flag.
2016-02-10T16:37:08 < PaulFertser> That's in the shit-library of course.
2016-02-10T16:37:32 < PaulFertser> Martin90: you also need to be ready to add support for a peripheral if it's not already implemented by somebody else.
2016-02-10T16:37:40 < zyp> yeah
2016-02-10T16:37:57 < zyp> libopencm3 is kinda like writing your own lib, except people already wrote much of it
2016-02-10T16:38:48 < zyp> which in the long run is a good thing, because that means you can fix shit in the lib that annoys you
2016-02-10T16:38:49 < englishman> ha, like chibios
2016-02-10T16:39:10 < PaulFertser> And with libopencm3 you get to hang around with nice people as a bonus.
2016-02-10T16:39:18 < Martin90> ;)
2016-02-10T16:39:22 < dongs> libopencm3 is too many nested folders
2016-02-10T16:39:32 < dongs> if it was a flat project I could import into keil I might be interested in it
2016-02-10T16:39:36 < zyp> doesn't ntfs support nested folders?
2016-02-10T16:39:39 < dongs> but not when its 400 files eahc in its own folder
2016-02-10T16:39:46 < dongs> it does, but its a fucking  cunt to organize anything
2016-02-10T16:39:50 < zyp> :p
2016-02-10T16:39:57 < zyp> might be
2016-02-10T16:40:08 < zyp> I dislike the separation of headers and sources
2016-02-10T16:40:38 < zyp> I've never understood the point of keeping them in completely separate trees
2016-02-10T16:40:57 < zyp> "but, but, what if somebody includes a .c file?"
2016-02-10T16:41:28 < Martin90> what about "ChibiOS" ?
2016-02-10T16:42:08 < zyp> chibios is a rtos, with a hal on the side
2016-02-10T16:42:36 < zyp> I used that five years ago, but I didn't like it, and that's what inspired me to write my own lib from scratch
2016-02-10T16:42:56 < zyp> from what I hear, it's improved a fair amount since
2016-02-10T16:44:37 < Martin90> mhm
2016-02-10T16:45:18 < artag> are there any succesful HALs written from the bottom up ? It seems to me that they were first written as the bottom level of an OS, to make it adaptable to various hardware. And that's OK in embedded too. But when it's written as an API for a device, it's naturally too big and heavy and doesn't provide much portability because no device vendor provides a common API with other vendors
2016-02-10T16:46:00 < Martin90> does that cube project aims remove needs of libraries ?
2016-02-10T16:46:25 < artag> no, it's a front-end configurator that configures the HAL libraries
2016-02-10T16:47:30 < artag> because if that were done at runtime the libs would be even bigger
2016-02-10T16:53:43 < mitrax> how likely am i to fry an MCU if i apply 3V on a GPIO pin (FT) while it's unpowered?
2016-02-10T16:56:33 < artag> moderately liable, unless you limit the current. in some cases the whole circuit will get powered through that pin and the parasitic diodes. If the current needed to do that is too much for the diode, you break the pin.
2016-02-10T16:57:11 < Martin90> ehhh I copied that toggle example from STM32F4xx_DSP_StdPeriph_Lib_V1.6.1 to SystemWOrkbench for STM32 try to build it for my STMF446RE and still bunch of "could not be resolved" errors ;/
2016-02-10T16:57:19 < Laurenceb> cant go you vcc +4v on stm32?
2016-02-10T16:57:45 < zyp> yeah, FT is rated for Vcc+4V
2016-02-10T16:58:04 < zyp> so 3V on FT pins when unpowered is no problem
2016-02-10T16:58:20 < zyp> (but 5V on FT pins when unpowered is outside spec)
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2016-02-10T16:59:32 < Martin90> any idea ;/ ?
2016-02-10T16:59:55 < Martin90> readme says "This example runs on STM32F405xx/407xx, STM32F415xx/417xx, STM32F427xx/437xx and
2016-02-10T16:59:55 < Martin90>     STM32F429xx/439xx devices."
2016-02-10T17:00:08 < Martin90> no STM32F44xx
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2016-02-10T17:59:56 < mitrax> zyp: thanks, what about <3V voltage on TTa pins (i.e 3.3V connected to ADC)?
2016-02-10T18:01:51 < mitrax> (err. i meant 3.3V tolerant connected to ADC)
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2016-02-10T18:04:10 < jpa-> mitrax: in what situation? when powered it is fine, and when unpowered i don't think the pins would be adc
2016-02-10T18:04:54 < mitrax> jpa-: when unpowered
2016-02-10T18:05:08 < jpa-> if the pins are five volt tolerant in gpio config, should be fine
2016-02-10T18:05:36 < jpa-> i have no knowledge of the internal circuit, but surely the runtime pin config can't have any effect when power is off
2016-02-10T18:06:17 < mitrax> there are some pins that are not, they're only 3.3V tolerant and directly connected to the ADC (as per the TTa description in the datasheet), and i'm noticing that when 3.3V supply is missing i might have 1.5V on them
2016-02-10T18:06:40 < jpa-> then you'd might want to check their specs in the datasheet
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2016-02-10T18:08:44 < mitrax> jpa-: trying to :) so far i haven't found anything related to what voltage they are tolerant to when unpowered
2016-02-10T18:09:17 < jpa-> +-5mA injected current is atleast one limit
2016-02-10T18:10:21 < jpa-> to me it seems that they have the normal esd diodes to vdd and vss, so as long as you stay below the injected current limit it should be ok
2016-02-10T18:10:40 < jpa-> though i'd probably just power up the processor and put it in standby
2016-02-10T18:10:57 < jpa-> because you're wasting power anyway if letting the esd diodes conduct
2016-02-10T18:14:04 < mitrax> yeah well what's happening is i have a supply board that sends both regulated 3.3V and 24V to another board, and when plugging the power sequencing is random, 24V may come before 3.3V (yeah awful design but i didn't think about that)
2016-02-10T18:14:40 < jpa-> i'd be more worried about getting -21.7V somewhere
2016-02-10T18:14:45 < jpa-> if gnd happens to connect last
2016-02-10T18:15:15 < mitrax> doh
2016-02-10T18:15:22 < mitrax> ahaha
2016-02-10T18:15:42 < jpa-> if you have filter caps on +24V, they'll pull gnd up there.. then any other signals will look negative
2016-02-10T18:15:59 < mitrax> indeed
2016-02-10T18:16:42 < mitrax> stupid me for not thinking about that
2016-02-10T18:17:16 < jpa-> you can fix it with some external ESD protection diodes
2016-02-10T18:17:30 < jpa-> which will mostly just be shottkys to +3.3V and GND from each data line
2016-02-10T18:21:12 < mitrax> thanks a lot :)
2016-02-10T18:21:54 < jpa-> np, have fun frying parts :)
2016-02-10T18:22:43 < Sync> yeah one of the pros here at work designed the plug in a device in a way that +Vsupply connects first
2016-02-10T18:22:48 < Sync> for whatever reason.
2016-02-10T18:23:01 < Sync> shit escalated quickly
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2016-02-10T18:56:46 < karlp> aadamson: etherCAT was the other industrial protocol I was mixing up ethernetIP up with, it's a whole new ethertype, no IP at all, all custom.  just ethernet mac level.
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2016-02-10T19:24:22 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5qlyb2AEusw
2016-02-10T19:24:25 < Laurenceb> lolling hard
2016-02-10T19:30:08 < ReadError> whats the N suffix on timers mean
2016-02-10T19:30:12 < ReadError> like TIM8_CH1N
2016-02-10T19:30:26 < jpa-> ReadError: negative polarity output channel
2016-02-10T19:30:43 < jpa-> basically it is inverse of CH1N, except you can enable it separately and also add some dead-time
2016-02-10T19:30:49 < jpa-> err, inverse of CH1P
2016-02-10T19:30:59 < ReadError> does that matter for input capture?
2016-02-10T19:31:18 < gxti> don't think it's suitable for IC
2016-02-10T19:31:19 < jpa-> no, i don't think the negative channels are used for input capture
2016-02-10T19:31:29 < ReadError> ahhh explains why its not working
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2016-02-10T20:01:24 < qyx> lol
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2016-02-10T20:26:07 < jpa-> Steffanx: what's the X stand for?
2016-02-10T20:28:44 < Laurenceb> x rated gigolo
2016-02-10T20:31:10 < Steffanx> What does the - stand for jpa-?
2016-02-10T20:31:30 < jpa-> it's for my dick
2016-02-10T20:31:45 < Steffanx> ok.
2016-02-10T20:31:59 < Steffanx> x is my arse before you entered it.
2016-02-10T20:32:38 < jpa-> oh
2016-02-10T20:32:39 < Laurenceb> no homo
2016-02-10T20:32:39 < jpa-> cute
2016-02-10T20:32:50 < jpa-> Laurenceb: don't worry, the soldermask apertures are not touching
2016-02-10T20:32:55 < Laurenceb> lul
2016-02-10T20:33:38 < Steffanx> Anyway, the nick "Steffan" was taken so i added a semi-random character
2016-02-10T20:35:13 < jpa-> i can understand the 'n' for the surname 'naffets'
2016-02-10T20:35:22 < jpa-> but is your middle name xena?
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2016-02-10T20:36:58 < Steffan-> "Nick Steffan- is now registered to your account." better? :)
2016-02-10T20:37:14 < jpa-> oh, cute
2016-02-10T20:37:22  * jpa- rubs his - against Steffan-
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2016-02-10T20:39:25 < Steffan-_> Are you making little parrots yet jpa-?
2016-02-10T20:39:43 < jpa-> yes
2016-02-10T20:39:57 < Steffan-_> Fancy.
2016-02-10T20:40:02 < jpa-> very
2016-02-10T20:40:11 < Steffan-_> Or did it already happen
2016-02-10T20:40:41 < jpa-> 68%
2016-02-10T20:40:47 < jpa-> slow downloa
2016-02-10T20:40:48 < jpa-> d
2016-02-10T20:41:33 < Steffan-_> oh the upload already happen :O
2016-02-10T20:41:53 < Steffan-_> ed
2016-02-10T20:42:01 < jpa-> you missed it on the webcam?
2016-02-10T20:43:19 < Steffan-_> I guess.
2016-02-10T20:43:40 < jpa-> too bad
2016-02-10T20:43:44 < Steffan-_> So soon you will be without time and a (happy) dad?
2016-02-10T20:43:58 < jpa-> pretty much yeah
2016-02-10T20:44:29 < jpa-> not sure how time will work out, kind-of out of it already but on the other hand might try to rearrange it somehow
2016-02-10T20:46:14 < mitrax> jpa-: that was it, thanks a bunch
2016-02-10T20:46:47 < jpa-> np, glad to make you happy
2016-02-10T20:47:51 < Steffan-_> happy ending.
2016-02-10T20:48:05 < mitrax> ehehe
2016-02-10T20:50:37 < mitrax> jpa-: i had 220µF worth of capacitors charging through the mcu pins when the ground was missing... *cough*
2016-02-10T20:50:54 < jpa-> was the mcu happy about this?
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2016-02-10T20:52:50 < mitrax> nope :) i fried one earlier this morning that's why i was asking about the pins tolerance, thought it was an issue with 24V being connected before the 3V when plugging the connector but indeed it was the ground being connected last
2016-02-10T20:53:33 < jpa-> :)
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2016-02-10T20:58:30 < mitrax> a simple schottky diode between the ground and 3V (hence limiting the voltage to -0.4V max) seems to do the trick, maybe i should be concerned about the diode absorbing the charge current but the boards are inside a case and the connector is not supposed to be removed / plugged while it's powered
2016-02-10T20:59:08 < jpa-> most diodes can take quite much in peak
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2016-02-10T21:04:47 < mitrax> geez, i'm glad i bounced into that design flaw early
2016-02-10T21:06:30 < jpa-> at work we have one project where there is a ton of field failures.. some of the devs went "oh yeah, we saw that on some protos but thought it was just a random event"
2016-02-10T21:07:26 < qyx> I like this kind of devs
2016-02-10T21:08:32 < zyp> because unexplainable random events are totally cool!
2016-02-10T21:09:15 < jpa-> not that we really know even after the fact what is the cause.. crappy flash chip perhaps
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2016-02-10T21:12:01 < Steffanx> but ofcourse thats no stm32 jpa-
2016-02-10T21:12:32 < jpa-> nope, some old stuff.. it's actually fun that they hit it on protos considering that after 5 years it is some 1% field failure rate
2016-02-10T21:13:46 < mitrax> jpa-: a guy i work with was like that... fortunately not anymore after a few things he swept under the rug came back to bite his ass... *hard*
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2016-02-10T21:24:46 < MartinR90> what's wrong with this line -> http://paste.scsys.co.uk/505233
2016-02-10T21:25:48 < jpa-> MartinR90: some #define is missing
2016-02-10T21:25:49 < MartinR90> ahh ok
2016-02-10T21:25:52 < jpa-> Tectu: hello :)
2016-02-10T21:25:59 < MartinR90> yes, I noticed
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2016-02-10T21:27:04 < MartinR90> I am developing using system workbench 4 stm32 and I set everything making new project
2016-02-10T21:27:09 < MartinR90> what's wrong
2016-02-10T21:28:12 < Tectu> Hi jpa- :)
2016-02-10T21:28:17 < Tectu> jpa-, how´s that flu going?
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2016-02-10T21:42:29 < MartinR90> I am getting headache with this fuc*** STM32F4xx_DSP_StdPeriph_Lib_V1.6.1
2016-02-10T21:42:47 < MartinR90> and/or with System workbench 4 STM32
2016-02-10T21:42:59 < MartinR90> I can't even toggle led ;/
2016-02-10T21:43:18 < Fleck> ;p
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2016-02-10T21:44:51 < MartinR90> how is it possible that I copied exampel code into workbench, built it and - 40+ errors ;/
2016-02-10T21:45:11 < Tectu> Fleck, o/
2016-02-10T21:45:18 < MartinR90> most of them because of "Please select first the Evaluation board used in your application (in Project Options)"
2016-02-10T21:45:39 < Fleck> hi Tectu
2016-02-10T21:46:01 < MartinR90> I already select board in workbench project menager ;/  what a shit
2016-02-10T21:47:08 < MartinR90> can somebody explain this madness ?
2016-02-10T21:48:40 < Tectu> STM32F4xx_DSP_StdPeriph_Lib_V1.6.1   <---  that sounds like the old stuff, no?
2016-02-10T21:49:04 < Tectu> not sure about the DSP in that, tho. But I am fairly positive that you might want to use STM32CubeF4 instead (or STM32CubeF4 or whatever)
2016-02-10T21:49:10 < Tectu> now I wrote the same twice, nice.
2016-02-10T21:49:16 < Tectu> STM32F4Cube or something
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2016-02-10T22:01:09 < MartinR90> STM32MAX
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2016-02-10T22:03:25 < Tectu> never heard of that
2016-02-10T22:03:39 < Tectu> if you mean CubeMX then that´s just some fancy code generator IDE-like thing
2016-02-10T22:03:48 < Tectu> the actual library is called CubeHAL or STM32Cube or something
2016-02-10T22:04:00 < Tectu> StdPeriphLib is dead, it´s that HAL thing now.
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2016-02-10T22:05:10 < MartinR90> ok
2016-02-10T22:05:24 < MartinR90> I am downloading that STM32CubeF4
2016-02-10T22:07:08 < Tectu> exactly that you want, yep
2016-02-10T22:07:13 < Laurenceb> http://explosm.net/rcg
2016-02-10T22:07:54 < MartinR90> Tectu: does it generate init code for peripherals initialisation ?
2016-02-10T22:08:25 < Tectu> MartinR90, that is what CubeMX does,  yes.
2016-02-10T22:08:38 < Tectu> one of the things that it does
2016-02-10T22:09:14 < Tectu> Laurenceb, oh dear, laurence, I don´t have time for that...
2016-02-10T22:09:21 < Tectu> Laurenceb, now I gotta hit F5 all day long
2016-02-10T22:09:31 < Laurenceb> lul
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2016-02-10T22:40:29 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/folder/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNFZLVDREZ0JPVms/edit
2016-02-10T22:43:24 < kakimir> that shit and grease.. acetone is used anyhow
2016-02-10T23:00:17 < Steffanx> did you use scissors to cut that kakimir?
2016-02-10T23:05:56 < englishman> breathe that solder gas like a man
2016-02-10T23:06:04 < englishman> if your hair doesnt turn white at 22 you're doing it wrong
2016-02-10T23:16:08 < MartinR90> englishman, mine didn't o.0
2016-02-10T23:16:23 < Steffanx> and you are 26?
2016-02-10T23:18:40 < Tectu> englishman, that explains why I discovered the first couple of gray hairs yesterday (I´m 21)
2016-02-10T23:18:42 < mitrax> i got my first white hair patch around 21-22, and i breathed a lot of that shit when i was a teenager
2016-02-10T23:18:51 < englishman> are you for real 21
2016-02-10T23:19:19 < Tectu> englishman, yes
2016-02-10T23:19:23 < Tectu> englishman, why?
2016-02-10T23:19:44 < mitrax> englishman: are you just kidding or did you read something that linked lead vapor to white hair? :)
2016-02-10T23:20:37 < englishman> dono
2016-02-10T23:20:58 < englishman> sure, old men in motorsports / aviation / electronics always have white hair from the lead poisoning
2016-02-10T23:21:13 < englishman> old men being 29+
2016-02-10T23:21:40 < Steffanx> No hair is better.
2016-02-10T23:22:07 < Tectu> Steffanx, that´s what she said
2016-02-10T23:22:23 < Steffanx> Dirty mind
2016-02-10T23:22:51 < Tectu> thank you brazzers
2016-02-10T23:25:26 < Steffanx> whats brazzers?
2016-02-10T23:25:35 < mitrax> porn site
2016-02-10T23:26:11 < Steffanx> -_-
2016-02-10T23:27:27 < mitrax> or so i've hard *cough*
2016-02-10T23:27:31 < mitrax> heard
2016-02-10T23:27:36 < mitrax> damn freudian slip
2016-02-10T23:31:39 < MartinR90> Steffanx: yes 26
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2016-02-10T23:43:25 < artag> another brit
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2016-02-10T23:44:02 < Tectu> yay \:D/
2016-02-10T23:44:21 < Tectu> are you Laurenceb´s love toy?
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2016-02-10T23:45:30 < artag> yes, but he doesn't know it yet
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2016-02-11T00:12:25 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2GcdpJiNGfKSVBwY1lpeWhHdTQ it's orgasmic to pop such a line of rivets
2016-02-11T00:13:23 < kakimir> I need to begin my airplane project
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2016-02-11T02:07:58 < kakimir> kill chats
2016-02-11T02:08:51 < kakimir> Steffanx: grinder
2016-02-11T02:10:16 < kakimir> I thought I would put fan in face behind it
2016-02-11T02:10:46 < kakimir> but now I think I set that thing upright and have fan exhausting air in upper endplate
2016-02-11T02:10:59 < kakimir> takes less area
2016-02-11T02:12:14 < kakimir> is lead poisoning true story in electronics?
2016-02-11T02:14:30  * Laurenceb_ is raging
2016-02-11T02:14:37 < Laurenceb_> ADS1298 is too confusing
2016-02-11T02:15:00 < Laurenceb_> so many mutex configs
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2016-02-11T02:17:58 < grummund> kakimir: lead poisoning is real. why should electronics be excluded?
2016-02-11T02:19:20 < kakimir> yes but just normal hobby electronics can cause something?
2016-02-11T02:19:53 < kakimir> I think you need some excessive exposure
2016-02-11T02:20:16 < englishman> once any amount of lead enters your body, it never leaves
2016-02-11T02:20:22 < englishman> it accumulates your entire lifetime
2016-02-11T02:21:01 < Laurenceb_> this is why roofers are insane
2016-02-11T02:22:30 < kakimir> englishman: can I breathe lead?
2016-02-11T02:22:38 < kakimir> when soldering?
2016-02-11T02:22:41 < englishman> first ask yourself
2016-02-11T02:22:52 < englishman> why is leaded gasoline not used anymore
2016-02-11T02:23:01 < englishman> its fucking awesome! very high octane and cheap
2016-02-11T02:23:03 < kakimir> I don't think it waporizes
2016-02-11T02:23:11 < kakimir> vaporizes
2016-02-11T02:23:14 < kakimir> but it may
2016-02-11T02:23:20 < kakimir> slightly somehow
2016-02-11T02:23:46 < grummund> kakimir: no but you can breath flux fumes
2016-02-11T02:23:58 < kakimir> I know
2016-02-11T02:24:02 < kakimir> see what I
2016-02-11T02:24:09 < kakimir> I'm building
2016-02-11T02:24:50 < Laurenceb_> lead levels from soldering are low
2016-02-11T02:24:55 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/GZEQYkG.gifv
2016-02-11T02:24:58 < englishman> from OSHA Lead is used in the soldering process in the form of lead/silver filler metals. When heated, lead oxide fumes are formed.
2016-02-11T02:25:33 < Laurenceb_> I'd say the risk is low
2016-02-11T02:25:37 < kakimir> it this soldering something that pipe man do with torch?
2016-02-11T02:25:44 < kakimir> pipemen
2016-02-11T02:25:46 < englishman> same thing
2016-02-11T02:25:56 < Laurenceb_> just wash your hands
2016-02-11T02:26:09 < kakimir> grummund: https://drive.google.com/folder/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNFZLVDREZ0JPVms/edit
2016-02-11T02:26:16 < grummund> whs ^
2016-02-11T02:26:17 < englishman> head to a GA airport and sniff the good stuff
2016-02-11T02:26:21 < englishman> or a race track
2016-02-11T02:26:39 < englishman> ask for a cup of fuel so you can go home and sniff it some more
2016-02-11T02:27:21 < Sync> racecars rarely run leaded fuel now
2016-02-11T02:27:32 < kakimir> why would they
2016-02-11T02:27:36 < Sync> besides old VeeAit gofast in a straight line cars
2016-02-11T02:27:38 < Sync> MOAR power
2016-02-11T02:27:39 < englishman> really
2016-02-11T02:27:44 < grummund> kakimir: can't click from here.
2016-02-11T02:27:45 < englishman> ive been out ~6 yrs
2016-02-11T02:27:49 < kakimir> oh it was ignition point
2016-02-11T02:27:51 < englishman> but it was all vp 120 or so
2016-02-11T02:27:56 < kakimir> that lead affects
2016-02-11T02:28:20 < Sync> well, most series now enforce pump gas
2016-02-11T02:28:35 < englishman> are you in UK?
2016-02-11T02:28:40 < kakimir> grummund: can you paint it and ctrl + shift + C
2016-02-11T02:28:42 < englishman> street car series?
2016-02-11T02:28:51 < englishman> i can totally see street / amateur series
2016-02-11T02:28:58 < kakimir> using leaded gas is like.. lazy tuning
2016-02-11T02:29:03 < englishman> but how are you going to run 14:1 on 98 octane
2016-02-11T02:29:14 < Sync> well, all in GT racing does it
2016-02-11T02:29:15 < kakimir> direct injection?
2016-02-11T02:29:19 < Sync> and even LMP
2016-02-11T02:29:22 < englishman> really
2016-02-11T02:29:25 < grummund> kakimir: not on this devixe. what is it?
2016-02-11T02:29:26 < englishman> LMP, on pump thats cool
2016-02-11T02:29:33 < Sync> indycar runs ethanol
2016-02-11T02:29:53 < englishman> eco responsible racing
2016-02-11T02:29:56 < kakimir> grummund: are you on some terminal from 80's ?
2016-02-11T02:30:14 < Sync> well, englishman the problem is leaded fuels reks oxygen sensors
2016-02-11T02:30:23 < englishman> heh yeah
2016-02-11T02:30:27 < kakimir> and catalysators
2016-02-11T02:30:49 < englishman> we didnt run them on the track tho, just in tuning and then we'd replace them every ~week
2016-02-11T02:31:22 < grummund> kakimir: yep
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2016-02-11T02:31:53 < Sync> what did you run englishman?
2016-02-11T02:32:13 < englishman> im actually taking a trip down memory lane at the moment looking for pix
2016-02-11T02:32:18 < englishman> scca sport racer
2016-02-11T02:32:33 < Sync> ah yeah, scca and the like are full of leaded fuel
2016-02-11T02:32:36 < Sync> for no real reason
2016-02-11T02:33:59 < englishman> ah found
2016-02-11T02:34:04 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/8DL1a2Z.jpg?1
2016-02-11T02:34:56 < Sync> hoosiers bro
2016-02-11T02:35:18 < englishman> yes, great tires
2016-02-11T02:35:27 < englishman> they made a compound just for these cars
2016-02-11T02:35:31 < englishman> sticky ickies
2016-02-11T02:36:13 < Sync> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp1kuo6xkbE
2016-02-11T02:37:32 < englishman> heh
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2016-02-11T02:37:43 < englishman> impossibruuu
2016-02-11T02:37:47 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-02-11T02:37:50 < Sync> but ye, there are classes where leaded fuel is helpful, but in most of sportscar racing it is gone
2016-02-11T02:37:59 < englishman> sad
2016-02-11T02:38:02 < englishman> the smell was great
2016-02-11T02:39:23 < Sync> well
2016-02-11T02:39:32 < Sync> just buy some AVGAS and stick it in your car
2016-02-11T02:40:51 < Sync> kakimir: the reason to run leaded is the higher knock resistance
2016-02-11T02:40:51 < englishman> its a diesel
2016-02-11T02:41:00 < Sync> fail
2016-02-11T02:41:03 < kakimir> Sync: ignition point
2016-02-11T02:41:03 < englishman> but il buy some for when i go flying thx ;)
2016-02-11T02:41:12 < kakimir> is risen
2016-02-11T02:42:26 < Sync> well, yeah
2016-02-11T02:44:11 < Sync> some friends of mine just run jet A1 in their diesels :D
2016-02-11T02:44:21 < Sync> as it is tax exempt it is cheap as fuck
2016-02-11T02:44:23 < englishman> race
2016-02-11T02:47:42 < kakimir> http://www.nettiauto.com/mazda/mx-5 finnish car prices
2016-02-11T02:48:11 < englishman> miatas are always stupid expensive
2016-02-11T02:48:27 < Sync> well, that is due to finlands stupid new car tax
2016-02-11T02:48:51 < kakimir> I think it's like 50%
2016-02-11T02:50:20 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/IxluQLt.jpg
2016-02-11T02:53:34 < kakimir> cars are salt eaten too
2016-02-11T02:53:47 < kakimir> unless germany import
2016-02-11T02:54:13 < kakimir> upgrdman: your battle station?
2016-02-11T02:54:33 < upgrdman> no
2016-02-11T02:55:13 < kakimir> nice speakers
2016-02-11T02:55:21 < kakimir> I used to have active shiet
2016-02-11T02:55:40 < kakimir> too much power and too little sensitivity
2016-02-11T02:56:47 < kakimir> now I have 400w rack amplifier and speakers from 80s
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2016-02-11T03:08:55 < FatalNIX> OMG
2016-02-11T03:08:58 < FatalNIX> this channel exists
2016-02-11T03:10:18 < kakimir> welcome
2016-02-11T03:11:00 < FatalNIX> I've been banging my head against this STM32 board for a week (I wonder why it's not broken yet)
2016-02-11T03:11:19 < Laurenceb_> hi, welcome
2016-02-11T03:11:31 < Laurenceb_> we are kind of like 8chan /b/ with some stm32 added
2016-02-11T03:11:49 < FatalNIX> I see
2016-02-11T03:12:12 < Laurenceb_> strollm32
2016-02-11T03:12:35 < artag> it's best to be not easily offended
2016-02-11T03:12:58  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2016-02-11T03:13:04 < kakimir> Laurenceb_ takes care of that /b/ side of things
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2016-02-11T03:13:24 < Laurenceb_> kakimir takes care of the NEET stuff
2016-02-11T03:14:00 < kakimir> true
2016-02-11T03:15:44 < artag> dongs does the dongs stuff
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2016-02-11T03:21:02 < kakimir> dkd
2016-02-11T03:21:16 < kakimir> didn't know what neet meant
2016-02-11T03:21:23 < kakimir> now I know it means me
2016-02-11T03:21:26 < FatalNIX> But yeah, so I'm trying to build a little programming template directory for my class, we're using a disco l476vg and I thought I might have gotten one working, but when I flash my code to the board and hit reset nothing really happens..
2016-02-11T03:21:35 < FatalNIX> So now I'm trying to figure it out with gdb :D
2016-02-11T03:23:14 < artag> ah, you want PaulFertser. most of the above are abusive about free software. Don't worry, they know good stuff, they're just a bit biased
2016-02-11T03:23:56 < FatalNIX> haha
2016-02-11T03:25:50 < kakimir> well what debugger says?
2016-02-11T03:27:14 < FatalNIX> not sure yet, it's been a LONG time since I've used gdb and I'm a bit lost. Trying to figure that out
2016-02-11T03:27:28 < FatalNIX> and it certainly wasn't on ARM (not that that shoul dmatter)
2016-02-11T03:27:36 < FatalNIX> I do have it connected to the board though, that part is working
2016-02-11T03:27:47 < FatalNIX> I'm getting flashing COM lights
2016-02-11T03:28:50 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-02-11T03:29:11 < dongs> with a nick like fatalnix, im gonna take a wild guess that you run lunix
2016-02-11T03:29:26 < FatalNIX> OH CRAP
2016-02-11T03:31:29 < FatalNIX> I forgot to compile with debugging symbols :)
2016-02-11T03:31:31 < kakimir> so the board needs some sort of GDB server that actual client side can connect to
2016-02-11T03:31:40 < FatalNIX> yeah I got all that set
2016-02-11T03:31:48 < FatalNIX> like I said I can connect gdb to th eboard via st-util
2016-02-11T03:35:59 < kakimir> what your environment for development generally is?
2016-02-11T03:36:08 < kakimir> ide or so?
2016-02-11T03:36:30 < kakimir> vim?
2016-02-11T03:39:03 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/GivingPessimisticItaliangreyhound
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2016-02-11T03:40:46 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/Design-Product-9619040/
2016-02-11T03:40:52 < dongs> haahahahahahahahahahahahhahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahaha
2016-02-11T03:40:55 < dongs> hahahahahahahaha
2016-02-11T03:41:02 < dongs> Project Budget (USD)
2016-02-11T03:41:03 < dongs> $30 - $250
2016-02-11T03:41:05 < dongs> HAHAHAHAHA
2016-02-11T03:41:46 < dongs> aandrew: let's take that one for 50k
2016-02-11T03:42:39 < aandrew> nice
2016-02-11T03:42:45 < aandrew> come on man, you know you can do this for $277
2016-02-11T03:43:18 < dongs> i will tell that african to get a fucking clue for $277
2016-02-11T03:45:47 < dongs> Examples of other commercially available warp boxes which are $3k+:
2016-02-11T03:45:47 < dongs> https://www.barco.com/en/Products/Options-accessories/Boardscards/Warp-blend-box.aspx
2016-02-11T03:45:50 < dongs> http://www.coolux.de/products/pandorasboxcompactplayer/
2016-02-11T03:45:52 < dongs> i mean
2016-02-11T03:45:57 < dongs> this guy even links to shit that is $3k+
2016-02-11T03:46:06 < dongs> how the fuck does he expect it DEVELOPED for $250
2016-02-11T03:46:10 < dongs> 250k, maybe
2016-02-11T03:46:37 < aandrew> holy shit
2016-02-11T03:46:38 < aandrew> [    0.000000] Linux version 3.10.49-gde07ba9-00029-g73af3d6 (kchitrik@dlukas-linux) (gcc version 4.9.x-google 20140827 (prerelease) (GCC) ) #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri May 8 20:29:09 PDT 2015
2016-02-11T03:46:42 < aandrew> [    0.000000] CPU: AArch64 Processor [410fd030] revision 0
2016-02-11T03:46:44 < aandrew> [    0.000000] Machine: Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. APQ 8016 MTP
2016-02-11T03:46:48 < aandrew> [    0.000000] No earlyprintk arguments passed.
2016-02-11T03:46:50 < aandrew> it works
2016-02-11T03:46:53 < dongs> lol what aids
2016-02-11T03:47:15 < dongs> why are you fucking around wiht qualcocks
2016-02-11T03:51:24 < englishman> haha is that for african oculus clone
2016-02-11T03:52:17 < dongs> haha no, i think some projector shit
2016-02-11T03:52:26 < dongs> edge warping is like when you ahve a projector at an angle or something
2016-02-11T03:52:39 < englishman> like keystone/other thing
2016-02-11T03:53:43 < aandrew> I'm working with a guy who did a lot of the FPGA work at Christie
2016-02-11T03:53:54 < aandrew> implemented a 120Hz 4k blend/warp engine
2016-02-11T03:53:59 < dongs> ya
2016-02-11T03:53:59 < aandrew> I bet he'd do it for $277
2016-02-11T03:54:11 < dongs> haHA
2016-02-11T04:02:53 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/LED-PCB-layout-with-Altium/
2016-02-11T04:03:17 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Build-LED-circuit-board/
2016-02-11T04:03:27 < dongs> I need a working circuit that can light a STRONG LED bulb (e.g. cree), it must be powered with a coin cell
2016-02-11T04:04:21 < dongs> did someone forget to inform that coin cell discharge is omserhing like 3mA
2016-02-11T04:06:13 < kakimir> anything is possible
2016-02-11T04:06:22 < kakimir> when you are tarded
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2016-02-11T04:07:50 < kakimir> I bet some dozen pakistanis and indians bid that job
2016-02-11T04:08:51 < kakimir> eventually some 20GBP bid indian gets hired
2016-02-11T04:09:17 < dongs> http://www.hllye.com/low-power-fm-transmitter/25W-CZHT251-Professional-FM-stereo-broadcast-transmitter-GP100-GP-Antenna-8M-cable-with-connectors-Power-Adapter.html
2016-02-11T04:09:20 < dongs> chinks
2016-02-11T04:09:49 < kakimir> wait are people from india called.. what exactly?
2016-02-11T04:10:34 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Create-Firmware-for-Marvell-Chip/
2016-02-11T04:10:37 < dongs> haha
2016-02-11T04:12:04 < dongs> http://www.marvell.com/microcontrollers/wi-fi-microcontroller-platform/88MC200/ thats a pretty cool chip  tho
2016-02-11T04:12:10 < dongs> 512k ram, 8 meg qspi flash on-die
2016-02-11T04:12:19 < dongs> i bet its all NDA
2016-02-11T04:12:30 < dongs> yep not on digieky lol
2016-02-11T04:12:45 < kakimir> charge pump
2016-02-11T04:13:20 < kakimir> what is it used for
2016-02-11T04:13:25 < dongs> QFN68 is pretty cool
2016-02-11T04:13:32 < dongs> STM32 with that much ram/flash would be huge
2016-02-11T04:14:04 < dongs> july 2013
2016-02-11T04:14:09 < dongs> looks like that shit has been around fora while and nobody uses it
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2016-02-11T04:15:39 < aandrew> lol
2016-02-11T04:15:39 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/cVOD9V5
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2016-02-11T04:15:41 < aandrew> never too young to have a neckbeard
2016-02-11T04:16:38 < kakimir> dongs: nice datasheet
2016-02-11T04:17:25 < dongs> ya datashet looks ok
2016-02-11T04:17:55 < dongs> nobody has it in stock
2016-02-11T04:17:57 < dongs> so useless.
2016-02-11T04:18:04 < dongs> clearly not for hobbyists.
2016-02-11T04:19:17 < kakimir> http://www.findchips.com/search/88MC200
2016-02-11T04:20:49 < aandrew> marvell's a pain in the ass to work with
2016-02-11T04:20:57 < dongs> yeah, fuckem
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2016-02-11T04:32:08 < dongs> haha, the guy who bid 2.7k has the right mindset
2016-02-11T04:32:26 < dongs> also from US, i guess makes sense
2016-02-11T04:34:14 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Build-board-for-quadcopter/
2016-02-11T04:34:26 < dongs> for $500, i will tell him to buy naze32
2016-02-11T04:38:09 < aandrew> I love it
2016-02-11T04:38:21 < aandrew> "it is pretty straightforward"
2016-02-11T05:19:06 < upgrdman> typical ukrainian woman  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=04b_1455082045
2016-02-11T05:21:31 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/a/gLBU5
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2016-02-11T05:44:31 < aandrew> what the fuck?
2016-02-11T05:47:58 < dongs> what the fuck
2016-02-11T05:48:59 < aandrew> you know it's fucking weird if you got dongs to WTF
2016-02-11T05:49:09 < aandrew> dude's in japan, getting a WTF out of him is almost impossible
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2016-02-11T06:14:04 < dongs> o yeah
2016-02-11T06:14:06 < dongs> GD32 news
2016-02-11T06:14:28 < dongs> Anyway, both your chips are already decapped.
2016-02-11T06:14:28 < dongs> GD32 are indeed very interesting, separate serial flash die is confirmed :-)
2016-02-11T06:14:28 < dongs> I expect some of them published this weekend.
2016-02-11T06:14:28 < dongs> Thanks and sorry for taking it so long,
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2016-02-11T06:17:50 < englishman> nice
2016-02-11T06:18:14 < englishman> did they decap the stm32 too?
2016-02-11T06:18:25 < englishman> could be gd flash + cloned shitz
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2016-02-11T06:39:27 < dongs> ugh fucking retarded autocad 360 viewer
2016-02-11T06:39:29 < dongs> cant upload zip files
2016-02-11T06:39:37 < dongs> because .step zipped is like 300k but unzipped is like 300 megs
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2016-02-11T09:17:51 < jpa-> dongs: serial flash on gd32? sounds slow
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2016-02-11T10:34:04 < dongs> jpa, its faster than STM32
2016-02-11T10:34:47 < dongs> all flash on GD32 is zero wait state
2016-02-11T10:34:57 < dongs> and read/swrites are faster or osmething
2016-02-11T10:35:17 < zyp> uh, that doesn't combine with serial :)
2016-02-11T10:36:23 < dongs> but thats waht chinks claim
2016-02-11T10:36:32 < zyp> oh, then it must be true
2016-02-11T10:36:35 < zyp> chinks never lie
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2016-02-11T11:59:05 < Sync> dongs: have you actually verified that shit?
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2016-02-11T12:04:32 < dongs> sync, china datasheet claims?
2016-02-11T12:04:33 < dongs> of course not.
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2016-02-11T12:45:27 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/WyGFMNi.gifv
2016-02-11T12:46:02 < mitrax> ahaha
2016-02-11T12:53:27 < crt> ty
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2016-02-11T12:57:08 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=af5_1455123437 lovely
2016-02-11T12:58:44 < crt> neat
2016-02-11T13:01:13 < dongs> tow is fucking awesome, i hope there was a lot of important shit in that tent
2016-02-11T13:02:42 < dongs> did you know it unspools like 100s of meters of thin wire while its flying
2016-02-11T13:02:45 < dongs> thats how its guided
2016-02-11T13:03:24 < crt> can't say i did
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2016-02-11T13:04:20 < dongs> https://img.washingtonpost.com/rw/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2014/04/27/Foreign/Graphics/w-Syria_TOW-graphic.jpg
2016-02-11T13:05:05 < dongs> holy shit, i knew it was long, i didnt know it was up to 3km of that wire
2016-02-11T13:05:24 < dongs> if they just kept developing that tech, we'd have space elevator by now
2016-02-11T13:05:35 < dongs> how the fuck doyou keep 3km of hair-thin shit not just breaking apart
2016-02-11T13:08:38 < zyp> haha
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2016-02-11T13:23:38 < karlp> dongs: well, you start by paying for it, and secondly by only using it once.
2016-02-11T13:23:50 < karlp> doesn't really seem to be a very difficult problem int he scheme of things
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2016-02-11T13:40:38 < dongs> Mohammed Ahmed on February 1
2016-02-11T13:40:38 < dongs> Fuck u Zano & kickstarter .. Why you are stealing our money ?
2016-02-11T13:40:38 < dongs> U want to erase ur reputation for couple of dollars ?
2016-02-11T13:40:39 < dongs> If yes then go to hell
2016-02-11T13:41:57 < crt> who?
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2016-02-11T13:45:53 < Sync> rekt
2016-02-11T13:48:07 < dongs>  they basically say "you lose" "we win" "now go browse more of our wonderfully popular, hand picked, hand crafted, curated, hand carved, with love, overhyped bullshit products." The absolute last time I fund some indie tattooed "engineer" or "artist" on this site. This is the modern day ponzi scheme folks and kickstarter says "read our terms bitch".
2016-02-11T13:49:02 < crt> sounds about right
2016-02-11T13:49:15 < dongs> Ahmed Mohammed Alemadi on January 19
2016-02-11T13:49:15 < dongs> This comment has been removed by Kickstarter.
2016-02-11T13:49:16 < dongs> LOL
2016-02-11T13:49:22 < dongs> so dickstarter DOES remove commetns.
2016-02-11T13:49:36 < dongs> Eugene Ho on January 19
2016-02-11T13:49:37 < dongs> when will be received my zANO? I order on kick starter at year ago, pls help to check and waiting for your reply, many Tks.
2016-02-11T13:49:40 < dongs> haha
2016-02-11T13:49:47 < dongs> i wonder what % of poeple are just too dumb to even realize they've bene had
2016-02-11T13:49:52 < dongs> from that project.
2016-02-11T13:50:14 < crt> rofl
2016-02-11T13:50:15 < Sync> seems like it
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2016-02-11T14:02:37 < crt> Don Michele Bigi 5 days ago - kickstarter dear, I want to be reimbursed for what I paid with Zano project. I would like an answer quickly, otherwise I will proceed with legal action against you.
2016-02-11T14:07:54 < crt> people are trolling the backers by posting the auctions
2016-02-11T14:07:57 < crt> 48000 plastic propellers for 5 GBP. Not a bad price even if you would use 10 of them...
2016-02-11T14:14:01 < karlp> dongs: I'm actually slightly more curious what protocol is on that single wire going to the missile, more than the durability of the wire
2016-02-11T14:16:25 < zyp> there's two wires
2016-02-11T14:16:28 < zyp> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/TOW_missile_Fort_Pickett.jpg
2016-02-11T14:17:45 < karlp> oh wel, no worries then.
2016-02-11T14:17:46 < zyp> kinda hard to run a signal across a single wire when there's no ground or anything to return the current through :)
2016-02-11T14:18:08 < BrainDamage> you can, but it'd have to be hollow
2016-02-11T14:18:29 < karlp> could have been current loop, charging up something on far end?
2016-02-11T14:18:37 < BrainDamage> it'd act as a circular waveguide if it was hollow, altought it'd be really fragile
2016-02-11T14:19:47 < BrainDamage> (altought at that point you might as well use a coax )
2016-02-11T14:20:28 < artag> 3km of UR67 would eat into the missile payload a bit
2016-02-11T14:20:58 < BrainDamage> yeah, it's probably not necessary either
2016-02-11T14:21:05 < BrainDamage> all the control is low speed
2016-02-11T14:21:17 < BrainDamage> and afaik there's no video feed from the warhead
2016-02-11T14:21:32 < BrainDamage> and i guess they don't care much about the em leak
2016-02-11T14:21:49 < karlp> artag: apparently it spools out from the launcher, not from the missile,
2016-02-11T14:22:17 < artag> that surprises me, I'd have thought it would be less drag from the missile
2016-02-11T14:22:30 < karlp> that was my first thought too,
2016-02-11T14:22:46 < karlp> but I guess it means you only need to fly with as muhc wire as you need to target, instead of having 3km wire all the time
2016-02-11T14:34:43 < Laurenceb> it spools from both ends
2016-02-11T14:34:50 < Laurenceb> that way you avoid jerk issues
2016-02-11T14:35:20 < Laurenceb> also you can run signals down one wire easily - you have a few hundred pF of capacitance at each end
2016-02-11T14:36:29 < BrainDamage> you're making a giant antenna at that point tought
2016-02-11T14:36:45 < Laurenceb> might not be an issue in some cases
2016-02-11T14:36:54 < Laurenceb> but possibly vulnerable to jamming
2016-02-11T14:37:03 < Laurenceb> guess thats why they use 2 wires
2016-02-11T14:37:40 < BrainDamage> it'd also announce its presence quite a while before it approaches the target
2016-02-11T14:37:56 < BrainDamage> automatic weapons could shoot it down
2016-02-11T14:38:12 < Laurenceb> can already using radar
2016-02-11T14:38:18 < BrainDamage> yes, but that's active
2016-02-11T14:38:23 < Laurenceb> but I guess thats not very stealthy
2016-02-11T14:38:24 < Laurenceb> yeah
2016-02-11T14:43:22 < dongs> http://www.matterhackers.com/store/printer-kits/markforged-mark-one-professional-3d-printer
2016-02-11T14:45:03 < Sync> "full length, continuous carbon fiber"
2016-02-11T14:45:04 < Sync> wat
2016-02-11T14:46:47 < dongs> maybe they squeeze out a single strand of carbon fiber
2016-02-11T14:48:03 < dongs> 45 bucks in singles
2016-02-11T14:48:10 < dongs> http://www.cree.com/LED-Components-and-Modules/Products/XLamp/Arrays-NonDirectional/XLamp-CXA3590
2016-02-11T14:50:39 < qyx> i remember when china-made 100W leds were ~30$
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2016-02-11T14:52:33 < Sync> BrainDamage: the russians iirc had a video feeding tow
2016-02-11T14:52:35 < Sync> but it sucked ass
2016-02-11T14:52:43 < Sync> as it was super hard to target
2016-02-11T15:08:16 < Laurenceb> http://www.ti.com/lit/ug/sbau171d/sbau171d.pdf
2016-02-11T15:08:19 < Laurenceb> dat labview
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2016-02-11T15:41:16 < Laurenceb> http://redpanels.com/comics/gay-pride-comic2.png
2016-02-11T15:44:20 < qyx> wheres emeb
2016-02-11T15:44:27 < qyx> is his stm32f4 + codec working?
2016-02-11T15:44:38 < qyx> I am about to copypaste his schematic
2016-02-11T15:45:30 < zyp> asleep probably
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2016-02-11T17:00:39 < ReadError> Blowing the lid on it this week is Voat user CheesusCrust whose extensive investigation found Windows 10 contacts Microsoft to report data thousands of times per day. And the kicker? This happens after choosing a custom Windows 10 installation and disabling all three pages of tracking options which are all enabled by default.
2016-02-11T17:00:58 < ReadError> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/02/09/windows-10-data-tracking-spying-levels/#50d84af17aa9
2016-02-11T17:01:03 < ReadError> this is kinda fucked up m8
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2016-02-11T17:19:31 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1455199156493.jpg
2016-02-11T17:19:56 < ReadError> what does "Mask of edges field" even mean
2016-02-11T17:20:11 < ReadError> (re: interrupts)
2016-02-11T17:23:16 < aandrew> ReadError: give us some context?
2016-02-11T17:24:24 < ReadError> http://pastebin.com/raw/pq6N57TG
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2016-02-11T17:30:02 < aandrew> ReadError: that's easy
2016-02-11T17:30:10 < aandrew> you can interrupt on rising or falling edge
2016-02-11T17:30:16 < aandrew> you see them defined as 1 and 2
2016-02-11T17:30:18 < aandrew> both is 3
2016-02-11T17:30:24 < aandrew> and thus the mask for that part of the register is also 3
2016-02-11T17:30:39 < ReadError> but hows that different than BOTH_EDGES
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2016-02-11T17:31:31 < rewolff1> BOTH EDGES is the define you shove into the register to get an interrupt on both edges.
2016-02-11T17:31:51 < rewolff1> MASK is the mask the bits that give you what edges the trigger happens on.
2016-02-11T17:31:57 < aandrew> from a value side of things, absolutely nothing
2016-02-11T17:32:01 < aandrew> it's about nomenclature
2016-02-11T17:32:02 < rewolff1> Both happen to evaluate to "3".
2016-02-11T17:32:15 < aandrew> in the code if you want to look at only those bits you want the code to READ like you're doing htat
2016-02-11T17:32:33 < aandrew> so you're do something like val = reg & MASK; it makes the code make sense
2016-02-11T17:32:55 < aandrew> you can get teh exact same value in 'val' with val = reg & BOTH_EDGES but it's less clear what you're trying to achieve
2016-02-11T17:32:57 < ReadError> yea I want to do ETXI on both edges but also know which edge triggered
2016-02-11T17:33:16 < ReadError> so my only solution I guess is to read if the pin is high or low
2016-02-11T17:33:25 < ReadError> since I cant have a callback for each
2016-02-11T17:34:00 < aandrew> yep
2016-02-11T17:34:05 < aandrew> that's the usual way
2016-02-11T17:36:20 < ReadError> yea figured there might have been a cleaner way but appears not
2016-02-11T17:36:37 < aandrew> no need
2016-02-11T17:39:15 < Laurenceb> http://8ch.net/b/thumb/1455199468147.jpg
2016-02-11T17:40:28 < aandrew> hahaha
2016-02-11T17:43:27 < Laurenceb> http://8ch.net/b/src/1455187597427.webm
2016-02-11T17:45:12 < BrainDamage> binary black holes detected and grav waves with 5.1 sigma confidence
2016-02-11T17:45:24 < BrainDamage> queue your mama jokes
2016-02-11T17:45:49 < Laurenceb> https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/news/ligo20160211
2016-02-11T17:46:11 < BrainDamage> virgo announed it earlier
2016-02-11T17:46:21 < BrainDamage> http://www.virgo-gw.eu/
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2016-02-11T18:00:35 < Laurenceb> http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/slow_clap_citizen_kane.gif
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2016-02-11T18:08:25 < kakimir> hmm
2016-02-11T18:08:35 < kakimir> thousands of times a day
2016-02-11T18:08:40 < kakimir> what is in those packets?
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2016-02-11T18:08:44 < kakimir> keystrokes?
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2016-02-11T18:09:54 < upgrdman_> with gcc, is there something like @SupressWarnings for specific variables?
2016-02-11T18:09:57 < upgrdman_> for c
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2016-02-11T18:16:49 < aandrew> not that I'm aware of, not on a per-variable basis anyway
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2016-02-11T18:20:16 < mitrax> you can disable warnings for a part of a file but i doubt you can do it per variable
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2016-02-11T18:37:21 < Getty> btw, someone happen to know if there is a download location for the Mars rover pictures? I mean not webpage, i mean like bulk
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2016-02-11T18:38:10 < Getty> all non-mars stuff is on the huge ftp server of them, like every fucking cam picture of every fucking mission, but mars has own infrastucture as it seems.... so annoying
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2016-02-11T18:52:28 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/ZyAHXHs.jpg lol
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2016-02-11T18:53:29 < englishman> https://medium.com/kickstarter/how-zano-raised-millions-on-kickstarter-and-left-backers-with-nearly-nothing-85c0abe4a6cb#.86bg51kzo
2016-02-11T18:53:31 < englishman> non stop laughs
2016-02-11T18:53:36 < englishman> cant believe i missed this
2016-02-11T18:53:57 < Getty> oh on medium, no i didnt saw that either....
2016-02-11T18:54:00 < aandrew> I can't believe  *dongs* missed it
2016-02-11T18:54:16 < Getty> given the amount of people riding on the zano disaster.... no wonder ;)
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2016-02-11T18:54:37 < Getty> ah its the report of this guy
2016-02-11T18:54:53 < karlp> and we've all ready it already, and dongs didn't miss it, you just missed dongs commentary on it :)
2016-02-11T18:54:57 < Getty> that must have happen very late then, as when we talked about the zano disaster here at the end, at this moment they JUST hired him todo that
2016-02-11T18:55:18 < karlp> you have clearly underestimated how much time we spent discussing zano :)
2016-02-11T18:58:55 < englishman> “They all bought kit. There were some odd things, like Busby Junior driving around in a brand new BMW M4 and Busby Senior having a brand new M6.”
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2016-02-11T19:04:30 < Laurenceb> lul
2016-02-11T19:04:48 < englishman> i didnt see timecops interview in there
2016-02-11T19:05:03 < zyp> dongs, did you get yourself one of these yet? https://dogemask.cool/
2016-02-11T19:06:55 < Laurenceb> buying
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2016-02-11T19:28:27 < Laurenceb> lol i found thunderf00ts waifu https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0aanx5rpr7D1M7KCFYzrLQ
2016-02-11T19:37:01 < PaulFertser> Yeah, dongs, did that journalist incorporate anything you told him?
2016-02-11T19:37:17 < Laurenceb> plot twist: dong is the writer
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2016-02-11T22:23:04 < Steffanx> why you didnt post your own video here Laurenceb? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf-qTkFPCdc
2016-02-11T22:31:23 < Laurenceb_> lame and derivative
2016-02-11T22:31:34 < kakimir> sup sexuals
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2016-02-11T23:06:07 < englishman> barrel jacks finally arrived, god damn ts100 is tits
2016-02-11T23:07:05 < Steffanx> is that what they look like in canada?
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2016-02-11T23:29:02 < Tectu> Steffanx, reminds me of that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh5g7KY0b9Y
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2016-02-11T23:35:54 < ReadError> hmm damn
2016-02-11T23:36:11 < ReadError> i had a good 1 liner to display space used by everything but forgot it
2016-02-11T23:36:37 < FatalNIX> 5Morning
2016-02-11T23:36:49 < FatalNIX> Hey PaulFertser, good to see you around, I hear you're big on open source stm32 dev?
2016-02-11T23:37:29 < Tectu> PaulFertser is awesome
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2016-02-11T23:40:43 < FatalNIX> I still haven't quite gotten my code to run
2016-02-11T23:41:27 < FatalNIX> I'm thinking I'm forgetting to initialize something before I call main() from assembly or something
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2016-02-11T23:41:47 < FatalNIX> because all of my C code works fine in keil, etc and it compiles just fine
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2016-02-12T00:20:41 < kakimir> is there such features in EDAs that you could within signal group change individual signals to different pins in component?
2016-02-12T00:20:51 < kakimir> layout -> schematic editing
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2016-02-12T01:04:26 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKLS1YcjRoTXROdTQ/view?usp=sharing fan of choice
2016-02-12T01:04:32 < kakimir> look amperes
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2016-02-12T01:41:48 < Laurenceb_> argggg ECG
2016-02-12T01:41:56 < Laurenceb_> why did I agree to this project
2016-02-12T01:42:14 < Laurenceb_> how is it possible to make a simple electrode array so overcomplex
2016-02-12T01:42:36 < Laurenceb_> like ten different electrode configs with contradictory terminology and shit :-/
2016-02-12T01:42:56 < Laurenceb_> differential versus single ended and all sorts of confusion
2016-02-12T01:47:04 < kakimir> because of money?
2016-02-12T01:47:20 < kakimir> hopefully
2016-02-12T01:50:32 < kakimir> what is your motivation Laurenceb_
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2016-02-12T01:58:21 < Laurenceb_> I get paid to do shit
2016-02-12T01:58:25 < Laurenceb_> so i do it
2016-02-12T01:59:44 < kakimir> money
2016-02-12T02:00:08 < kakimir> did you go freelancing?
2016-02-12T02:00:52 < englishman> cant you make more money if you become a chav
2016-02-12T02:00:54 < englishman> and go on the dole
2016-02-12T02:01:44 < kakimir> we have thing called KELA
2016-02-12T02:01:52 < Laurenceb_> englishman is a true englishman
2016-02-12T02:01:56 < Laurenceb_> he knows all the lingo
2016-02-12T02:02:01 < kakimir> monsterous complex that controls the nation
2016-02-12T02:02:21 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: no I have a thing called a job :P
2016-02-12T02:02:59 < kakimir> are these countries like copies of each other
2016-02-12T02:03:51 < kakimir> sweden mimics their big brother GB and finland mimics their/our big brother sweden
2016-02-12T02:04:12 < kakimir> all the same systems and institutions in place
2016-02-12T02:05:13 < Laurenceb_> https://p10.secure.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/ssl/spookcountry/images/big_brother_f.jpg
2016-02-12T02:06:21 < kakimir> but further east - russia... nobody knows
2016-02-12T02:06:39 < kakimir> they propably don't watch BBC all day
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2016-02-12T02:09:34 < Laurenceb_> http://redpanels.com/comics/trump-pepe-comic.png
2016-02-12T02:11:38 < Laurenceb_> everything is explained
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2016-02-12T02:16:53 < kakimir> I think I go to local dole tommorow
2016-02-12T02:17:05 < kakimir> start receiving mad pile of money every month
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2016-02-12T02:26:54 < kakimir> goodbye ambition
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2016-02-12T02:39:10 < upgrdman> found young kakimir http://i.imgur.com/dMoTDof.gifv
2016-02-12T02:41:26 < jadew> I think surveilance is good
2016-02-12T02:41:32 < kakimir> hilarious :P
2016-02-12T02:41:51 < jadew> I guess you're talking about that gif of you :P
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2016-02-12T03:33:22 < kakimir> microamp range input bias current in uvlo pin
2016-02-12T03:33:50 < kakimir> 10% difference to lower resistor
2016-02-12T03:37:45 < dongs> holyfucking balls
2016-02-12T03:37:49 < dongs> who the fuck actually uses E14 for anything
2016-02-12T03:37:54 < dongs> i had to order something that onyl they had in stock
2016-02-12T03:37:59 < dongs> price: rape
2016-02-12T03:38:01 < dongs> shipping: $100
2016-02-12T03:38:03 < dongs> what the fucK!?
2016-02-12T03:50:34 < ReadError> lightbulb?
2016-02-12T03:52:27 < dongs> no element14
2016-02-12T03:52:32 < dongs> fucking eurofaggot parts distributor
2016-02-12T03:54:13 < ReadError> ah yea
2016-02-12T04:02:59 < ReadError> order a rageburry pi2?
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2016-02-12T04:34:16 < kakimir> what are you makering flyback ?
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2016-02-12T04:42:41 < kakimir> it's low price and availability made it imperative
2016-02-12T04:43:09 < kakimir> also iconic display from iconic phone
2016-02-12T04:54:50 < kakimir> tf. drain leakage current - < -1µF
2016-02-12T04:55:30 < kakimir> - > -1µF *
2016-02-12T04:57:48 < kakimir> makes things even more difficult
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2016-02-12T05:11:59 < kakimir> anyone have lpc800 laying around?
2016-02-12T05:12:31 < kakimir> I have run out of shitty attinys and I have simple breakouts for those inline packs
2016-02-12T05:12:51 < kakimir> else I would just use lpc1111
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2016-02-12T06:05:37 < dongs> sup pro blogs
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2016-02-12T06:18:50 < ReadError> brogramming
2016-02-12T06:21:31 < ReadError> whats that shit called
2016-02-12T06:21:36 < ReadError> when you hold the windows key
2016-02-12T06:21:51 < ReadError> and can highlight a a column
2016-02-12T06:23:43 < dongs> you mean alt key
2016-02-12T06:24:00 < ReadError> yea depends on the editor
2016-02-12T06:25:44 < ReadError> yay figured out how to do it in eclipse
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2016-02-12T07:07:11 < dongs> modern MCUs write to 720p MIPIDSI displays
2016-02-12T07:07:17 < dongs> flycack still fucking around with tech from 1986
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2016-02-12T07:35:10 < dongs> just fuck off, im trying to feed my family here furiously freelancing against pakis
2016-02-12T07:35:22 < dongs> /s
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2016-02-12T07:48:08 < PaulFertser> FatalNIX: ping
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2016-02-12T07:52:37 < jpa-> http://www.banggood.com/BlitzWolf-2_1A-Reversible-Micro-USB-Cable-6_56ft2m-Double-Sided-USB-A-Male-to-Double-Sided-Micro-B-p-1026355.html   heh
2016-02-12T07:53:55 < dongs> much wow
2016-02-12T07:54:46 < dongs> i think some gook company made that first and failed to patent it everywehre
2016-02-12T07:54:49 < dongs> so chinks started copying
2016-02-12T07:54:51 < jpa-> bit questionable how long the A end would last.. apparently the "lip" has to bend
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2016-02-12T07:59:35 < dongs> the designs i saw the center PCB was much thinner
2016-02-12T07:59:37 < dongs> no bending needed
2016-02-12T07:59:40 < dongs> those pics probably just suck
2016-02-12T08:01:40 < ReadError> dongs http://imgur.com/a/XrKDK
2016-02-12T08:01:45 < ReadError> tell me what all is going on here
2016-02-12T08:01:53 < dongs> old
2016-02-12T08:01:57 < ReadError> its some 700$ diversity rx
2016-02-12T08:02:00 < dongs> i see aids
2016-02-12T08:02:03 < dongs> and overengineering
2016-02-12T08:02:08 < dongs> and lol @ IP theft
2016-02-12T08:02:12 < ReadError> _$700_
2016-02-12T08:02:20 < ReadError> and people buy it, fucking retards
2016-02-12T08:02:24 < dongs> > $700
2016-02-12T08:02:26 < dongs> > still uses china RF modules
2016-02-12T08:02:50 < ReadError> do they use some kind of sync gens and magic?
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2016-02-12T08:03:05 < dongs> for $700 a piece i'd expect them to roll their own RF chipset
2016-02-12T08:03:11 < dongs> i see dualcore atmegas
2016-02-12T08:03:13 < dongs> at that point stopped caring
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2016-02-12T08:04:38 < ReadError> what are they doing though, overlaying each on top of the other or switching midline or between lines
2016-02-12T08:05:07 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbkbjN7oo5g
2016-02-12T08:05:23 < ReadError> its spotty instead of tearing in horizontal field
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2016-02-12T08:07:41 < dongs> that compare is retarded, nto even same antennas
2016-02-12T08:13:25 < ReadError> yea true but thats a pretty harsh enviroment
2016-02-12T08:20:00 < crt> well fuck it
2016-02-12T08:21:01 < ReadError> time to get stoned amirite
2016-02-12T08:21:13 < crt> i'm sick of the internet lying.
2016-02-12T08:21:50 < emeb_mac> the internet is full of lies
2016-02-12T08:25:39 < ReadError> did you get catfished m8?
2016-02-12T08:25:50 < crt> yeah mate
2016-02-12T08:25:54 < crt> i got rolled by zano
2016-02-12T08:26:09 < crt> jk
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2016-02-12T08:32:37 < crt> hi flyback i'm still trying to get you unbanned from ##electronics
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2016-02-12T09:38:39 < dongs> yess
2016-02-12T09:38:44 < dongs> finally got silabs junk approved
2016-02-12T09:43:57 < zyp> approved?
2016-02-12T09:44:01 < crt> silabs ey
2016-02-12T09:44:07 < crt> i been looking at their stuff
2016-02-12T09:49:34 < dongs> zyp, going through jappu branch to get nda/docs
2016-02-12T09:49:39 < dongs> took like 2 months
2016-02-12T09:49:43 < dongs> i think i asked end of december.
2016-02-12T09:50:21 < zyp> heh, for what parts?
2016-02-12T09:50:40 < dongs> japtv stuff
2016-02-12T09:51:13 < zyp> ah
2016-02-12T09:52:30 < dongs> hmm
2016-02-12T09:52:35 < dongs> theres binary blobs to load
2016-02-12T09:52:39 < dongs> neat
2016-02-12T09:53:57 < dongs> there's firmware in rom, but you load patches ontop of that to fix stuff.
2016-02-12T09:54:39 < Sync> lul
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2016-02-12T09:56:46 < dongs> heh, they're reusing ~similar pin assignming matrix on this shit as they do on the 8bit mcus
2016-02-12T09:56:54 < dongs> wehre you can assign differnt shit to pins
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2016-02-12T10:19:57 < dongs> wat
2016-02-12T10:20:09 < dongs> oh
2016-02-12T10:20:13 < dongs> itse those metal snap together shits
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2016-02-12T10:28:00 < Rob235> yea
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2016-02-12T10:28:41 < Rob235> gf did the drums, its fun if you have patience
2016-02-12T10:29:30 < dongs> i had eiifel tower which was like 20 pieces
2016-02-12T10:29:33 < dongs> thats about all i have patience for
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2016-02-12T10:30:11 < Rob235> im so high right now, im gonna watch tv and go to bed
2016-02-12T10:30:16 < dongs> good plan
2016-02-12T10:30:19 < Rob235> later
2016-02-12T10:30:20 < dongs> i wish i was
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2016-02-12T10:54:05 < Laurenceb_> wow redchannit is awesome
2016-02-12T10:54:52 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/nY9C4uQ.jpg
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2016-02-12T11:02:43 < dongs> The provided source compiles with gcc or VisualStudio, or any other compiler.
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2016-02-12T11:13:55 < dongs> lol
2016-02-12T11:14:02 < dongs> their sample code has code::blocks projects
2016-02-12T11:14:03 < dongs> wtf
2016-02-12T11:14:03 < dongs> aids
2016-02-12T11:15:20 < zyp> isn't that the windows way?
2016-02-12T11:15:36 < dongs> no tis crossplatform tarsh
2016-02-12T11:16:30 < zyp> ya, but I mean, the other day you argued for just right clicking and adding files, and the end result of that is a project file for whatever tool you're using at the moment
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2016-02-12T12:34:09 < Mikk36> Can I use a Nucleo board with the included ST-Link to connect the SWD to this? https://www.olimex.com/Products/Duino/STM32/OLIMEXINO-STM32
2016-02-12T12:35:12 < zyp> yes
2016-02-12T12:41:51 < Mikk36> Normally it has some small traces going through the three tabs?
2016-02-12T12:44:56 < jpa-> yeah, just remove the jumpers and connect to the pin header
2016-02-12T12:46:31 < karlp> Mikk36: or, you know, read the section in the "nucleo user manual" about "how to use the stlinkv2.1 with ane xternal device"
2016-02-12T12:46:35 < karlp> it has pictures and everything.
2016-02-12T12:46:42 < Mikk36> Ah, nice
2016-02-12T12:46:56 < jpa-> manual? crazy talk
2016-02-12T12:47:04 < Mikk36> Just gotta find it then
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2016-02-12T12:49:09 < karlp> "nucleo user manual" is the number one hit to the correct pdf for me.  I don't know how you use a search engine...
2016-02-12T12:49:31 < Mikk36> Well, I just hadn't even searched by that moment
2016-02-12T12:49:34 < Mikk36> Am looking at one now
2016-02-12T12:49:51 < karlp> hold on, I'll go get my spoon.
2016-02-12T12:50:23 < Mikk36> Now just wondering which cables I'd need and where I could get them the cheapest from
2016-02-12T12:52:35 < jpa-> normal pin header jumper cables?
2016-02-12T12:52:42 < dongs> ..
2016-02-12T12:52:47 < jpa-> ebay should sell you them for a dollar
2016-02-12T12:52:52 < dongs> when china opens
2016-02-12T12:53:07 < Mikk36> Well, that Olimexino board has a .5 pitch header on it for SWD
2016-02-12T12:54:21 < dongs> you only need 2
2016-02-12T12:54:38 < dongs> oh, i thought you said 5 pin
2016-02-12T12:54:39 < dongs> anyway,
2016-02-12T12:54:43 < dongs> yes, thats standard arm-jtag I guess?
2016-02-12T12:54:52 < dongs> or cortex debug rather
2016-02-12T12:55:01 < Mikk36> https://www.olimex.com/Products/Duino/STM32/OLIMEXINO-STM32/resources/OLIMEXINO-STM32.pdf <-- page 9
2016-02-12T12:55:35 < dongs> yes its  standard cortex debug.
2016-02-12T12:55:54 < dongs> https://www.olimex.com/Products/ARM/JTAG/ARM-JTAG-20-10/
2016-02-12T12:56:10 < dongs> get this, then make an adapter to SWD shit using whatever wires/IDC socket.
2016-02-12T13:06:27 < Mikk36> Great, thanks
2016-02-12T13:24:03 < dongs> http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-delhi-student-killed-by-lover-who-hid-body-for-5-days-2175056
2016-02-12T14:04:16 < Mikk36> That SWD interface will also enable flashing the MCU with new code through the ST-Link?
2016-02-12T14:04:58 < dongs> yes
2016-02-12T14:05:10 < Teeed> yes
2016-02-12T14:06:09 < ReadError> the olimex adapters are pretty legit
2016-02-12T14:06:14 < ReadError> mouser has a lot of em too
2016-02-12T14:08:10 < Mikk36> Anyway, ordered that 20-10 connector and a Nucleo-F411RE board
2016-02-12T14:08:16 < Mikk36> 20€, yay
2016-02-12T14:08:18 < Mikk36> 25*
2016-02-12T14:08:46 < ReadError> gotta blow a bit more for dat free ship
2016-02-12T14:09:03 < Mikk36> Well, different retailers anyway
2016-02-12T14:09:13 < Mikk36> And I already get free shipping for the Nucleo board
2016-02-12T14:09:41 < Mikk36> Well, free pickup at Elfa store
2016-02-12T14:10:02 < ReadError> im diggin the F429ZI one
2016-02-12T14:10:12 < ReadError> a lot of the other nucleos have MCU you cant buy easily
2016-02-12T14:10:18 < ReadError> or they are new/rare
2016-02-12T14:10:51 < ReadError> with enough shit changed you cant use a similar mcu w/o some changes
2016-02-12T14:10:59 < ReadError> like the f303 one
2016-02-12T14:11:17 < dongs> cloner worried that he cant buy shit to clone wiht
2016-02-12T14:12:34 < ReadError> pffffttt
2016-02-12T14:12:42 < ReadError> i been laying down codes the past few days bro
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2016-02-12T14:20:14 < ReadError> but god damn the f429zi is expensive
2016-02-12T14:20:45 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2klLy8r8Ro
2016-02-12T14:21:12 < ReadError> hey Laurenceb nsfw https://i.imgur.com/34QzFGV.jpg
2016-02-12T14:23:54 < Laurenceb> lol 3:20
2016-02-12T14:25:45 < Laurenceb> GO HOME, GAYMUR GURL
2016-02-12T14:31:14 < kakimir> sup edgyboy
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2016-02-12T15:07:20 < qyx> yxcxdffgfjjj
2016-02-12T15:08:07 < zyp> ok
2016-02-12T15:11:16 < kakimir> I wonder if that 30W power line energy harvesting is viable
2016-02-12T15:11:32 < Sync> no
2016-02-12T15:12:13 < kakimir> did you do the math?
2016-02-12T15:12:37 < kakimir> mushrooms enjoy high power transmission lines.. so there must be some power these
2016-02-12T15:13:10 < jpa-> do they enjoy it because of the electricity, or just because of no trees?
2016-02-12T15:13:55 < kakimir> hmm
2016-02-12T15:14:14 < kakimir> you have a point there
2016-02-12T15:14:31 < kakimir> but hey
2016-02-12T15:14:42 < kakimir> mushrooms do not need ligth
2016-02-12T15:22:03 < kakimir> hmm
2016-02-12T15:22:55 < Mikk36> Or maybe it's more humid with no trees covering them?
2016-02-12T15:26:59 < kakimir> how about having one long cable like 200meters one side of line
2016-02-12T15:27:13 < kakimir> then sync fets to that line
2016-02-12T15:27:25 < kakimir> so there is minimal loss
2016-02-12T15:28:32 < kakimir> voltage loss
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2016-02-12T15:41:54 < qyx> emeb: o/
2016-02-12T15:42:03 < qyx> is your stm32f4 + codec demo working ok?
2016-02-12T15:42:25 < qyx> wasn't there any hidden bugs using I2S2 in full duplex mode?
2016-02-12T15:42:41 < qyx> I've read something on my.st forums regarding non-functional DMA
2016-02-12T15:50:48 < jpa-> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/800797224/wank-wipes   finally a kickstarter we can all relate to
2016-02-12T15:57:51 < Tectu> thank you jpa
2016-02-12T15:58:22 < Tectu> vitamine-E, wut?
2016-02-12T15:58:26 < zyp> those look really impractical
2016-02-12T15:59:16 < jpa-> i wonder why kickstarter would bother suspending that
2016-02-12T16:00:36 < dongs> the most important question
2016-02-12T16:03:11 < Tectu> "Prototypes have already been built and tested (its a tough job but someone has to do it)"
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2016-02-12T16:21:43 < Fleck> https://i.imgur.com/9F2rTxf.gifv
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2016-02-12T16:22:17 < emeb> qyx: hi
2016-02-12T16:22:18 < jpa-> i wonder if he had proper gloves for that 10 meters of "braking"
2016-02-12T16:22:46 < emeb> qyx: I don't have any issues with stm32f4 in full duplex.
2016-02-12T16:23:10 < Sync> well, it looks like he has at least some gloves at all
2016-02-12T16:23:13 < emeb> One of my clients long ago had some problems but I never did. Don't know what he was doing wrong.
2016-02-12T16:23:59 < emeb> I think mervaka had some problems when running several full duplex channels (>1), but I've never tried that.
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2016-02-12T16:46:53 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e24_1455270889
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2016-02-12T17:01:07 < qyx> emeb: ok, thanks
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2016-02-12T17:39:04 < Laurenceb> still better than most rap https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eogZqCoq3h8
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2016-02-12T18:42:22 < Laurenceb> http://8ch.net/tech/src/1455243158415.png
2016-02-12T18:42:24 < Laurenceb> https://peerj.com/preprints/1733/
2016-02-12T18:42:31 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35559439
2016-02-12T18:42:36 < Laurenceb> lolling hard
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2016-02-12T18:45:33 < Laurenceb> bbc has loads of conclusions, actual "paper" doesnt show anything significant
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2016-02-12T19:14:37 < Tectu> Laurenceb, :P
2016-02-12T19:15:49 < Laurenceb> also the comments and feedback
2016-02-12T19:16:25 < Tectu> stop wasting your time, Mr. Laurenceb
2016-02-12T19:24:12 < dongs> wow neat
2016-02-12T19:24:20 < dongs> microchip/smsc LANCHECK thing is pretty fuckin pro
2016-02-12T19:24:41 < dongs> i got a reply in like 1hr with checklist of stuff
2016-02-12T19:25:54 < dongs> also: they assemble QFN packages @ amkor
2016-02-12T19:36:33 < zyp> what's lancheck?
2016-02-12T19:37:25 < zyp> oh, design review
2016-02-12T19:38:12 < dongs> Ya
2016-02-12T19:38:14 < dongs> pretty pro
2016-02-12T19:38:26 < zyp> so what did they say? is your design pro?
2016-02-12T19:39:05 < dongs> Ya
2016-02-12T19:39:25 < dongs> 1. I checked your schematic shape pin-by-pin and found no problems there.
2016-02-12T19:39:43 < dongs> then just usual warnings
2016-02-12T19:39:48 < dongs> make sure caps are low esr, bla blah
2016-02-12T19:39:56 < dongs> since I didn't specify exact part nubmers that i used.
2016-02-12T19:40:10 < dongs> 25Mhz crystal load/capcitance stuff
2016-02-12T19:40:34 < dongs> bitched about my USB socket caps being too small (120uF USB I/F recomendation)
2016-02-12T19:40:40 < dongs> other than that all ok.
2016-02-12T19:40:58 < Tectu> dongs, that´s a microchip service? how much does one pay for that?
2016-02-12T19:41:07 < zyp> free, it says
2016-02-12T19:41:10 < dongs> free
2016-02-12T19:41:15 < dongs> as long as you're using parts they make
2016-02-12T19:41:25 < Tectu> uhm
2016-02-12T19:41:27 < Tectu> nice
2016-02-12T19:41:43 < dongs> most vendors offer that kinda stuff tho microchips is a bit nicely automated
2016-02-12T19:41:45 < zyp> pretty much «hey, we can check that you hooked up our parts right»
2016-02-12T19:41:47 < Tectu> so you sent them your KawaiiCAD files?
2016-02-12T19:41:57 < dongs> i usualyl send schematics to vendor for checking and it takes a day or two
2016-02-12T19:42:01 < dongs> yes
2016-02-12T19:42:10 < zyp> huh
2016-02-12T19:42:14 < Tectu> they do dicktrace? I thought that that´s not a well known tool
2016-02-12T19:42:22 < Tectu> ah wait, you upgraded to altium, right?
2016-02-12T19:42:24 < dongs> tectu, PDF is a think in 2016
2016-02-12T19:42:27 < dongs> er thing
2016-02-12T19:42:37 < Tectu> dongs, that´s why I asked whether you send them the CAD files :P
2016-02-12T19:42:44 < zyp> I've never thought about getting a vendor to review my shit
2016-02-12T19:43:07 < dongs> zyp, once y ou have NDA and shit with some kawaii stuff vendor, you generally have access to some FAE who will review your shit.
2016-02-12T19:43:21 < dongs> last time I sent stuff to Toshiba for review etc.
2016-02-12T19:44:01 < Tectu> zyp, Altera reviews my shit all the time
2016-02-12T19:44:10 < dongs> i feel sorry for them
2016-02-12T19:44:14 < Tectu> :P
2016-02-12T19:44:28 < zyp> hmm, actually, I guess when I was at STE, I was on the vendor side of that process
2016-02-12T19:45:02 < zyp> but I mostly did software there
2016-02-12T19:46:14 < zyp> oh well, I don't need that much design review
2016-02-12T19:46:28 < zyp> that nfc board is probably the first one I fucked up :p
2016-02-12T19:46:42 < dongs> too stoned
2016-02-12T19:47:14 < zyp> well, it was the second design I did in a single afternoon
2016-02-12T19:48:03 < zyp> I was revising the usbjvs shit first, and then I started on the nfc thing from scratch and finished it the same afternoon
2016-02-12T19:48:28 < zyp> and most time was spent on ghettoing up the RF side :p
2016-02-12T19:48:54 < zyp> which also turned out bad, of course, but that much were expected :p
2016-02-12T19:49:18 < zyp> it's not completely nonfunctional, it does read some cards
2016-02-12T19:49:45 < zyp> so it just needs to be tuned to match the layout
2016-02-12T19:49:53 < zyp> and I can do that when I get the VNA
2016-02-12T19:50:00 < zyp> which should be here next week
2016-02-12T19:50:06 < dongs> is this for piracy or somethign
2016-02-12T19:50:13 < dongs> the  fuck does a normal person does with a NFC reader
2016-02-12T19:50:25 < dongs> MiFaRe f raud
2016-02-12T19:50:39 < zyp> ya, skimming payment cars
2016-02-12T19:50:41 < zyp> cards
2016-02-12T19:50:44 < zyp> nah
2016-02-12T19:51:22 < dongs> Just as an example, using a typical via drill hole of 10 mil results in a Total Thermal Resistance of 3.43 K/W (Kelvins per Watt) in a 3x3 grid for our LAN8710 Phy. Increasing the via drill hole to 16 mil results in dropping the thermal resistance to a value of 2.11 K/W.
2016-02-12T19:51:27 < dongs> TIL
2016-02-12T19:51:29 < dongs> thats nice to know.
2016-02-12T19:52:40 < Sync> ye
2016-02-12T19:53:08 < zyp> well, the ratio between the resistances is pretty much the ratio between the hole diameters, i.e. the hole circumference, i.e. the amount of heat conducting material
2016-02-12T19:53:51 < dongs> mhm
2016-02-12T19:54:04 < zyp> a denser grid of smaller holes would still be better than a coarser grid of larger holes
2016-02-12T19:54:23 < dongs> i had a 7x7 grid vs sugested 6x6 with larger holes
2016-02-12T19:54:27 < dongs> i'll redo it
2016-02-12T19:54:37 < zyp> so if the thermal resistance is too large, I'd rather add more holes
2016-02-12T19:54:57 < dongs> shit wasnt awful, but like 40C during run
2016-02-12T19:55:07 < dongs> which is what prompted me to look at this shit in the first place
2016-02-12T19:55:13 < dongs> cuz why hte fuck would a mostly idle chip get warm
2016-02-12T19:55:42 < zyp> probably because it doesn't have any concept of idle
2016-02-12T19:55:43 < dongs> but then i measured 3.3V current and its like 180mA
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2016-02-12T19:56:45 < dongs> anyway, wahtevers, looks like the only issue really is the via grid, everytrhing else is just superfluous bullshit about quality caps
2016-02-12T19:59:22 < zyp> then again, remember that 180mA is still only around 0.5W, so better vias lower the temperature from 40C to like 38C at best
2016-02-12T19:59:42 < dongs> so wehre teh fuck is that heat coming from then
2016-02-12T20:00:00 < dongs> shit microchip hardware? :)
2016-02-12T20:00:20 < dongs> > Typically, customers think the device is running hot but in actuality, the temp is right where it needs to be.
2016-02-12T20:00:27 < dongs> ^ from mchp duder.
2016-02-12T20:01:37 < dongs> "I put my finger on it and now I have third-degree-burns, is this ok?" "yes, you think its running hot but it really isnt"
2016-02-12T20:05:04 < zyp> 40C is not that hot really
2016-02-12T20:05:33 < zyp> Tjmax is usually something like 125-150C
2016-02-12T20:06:18 < dongs> hm i ts a 180nm part
2016-02-12T20:06:43 < dongs> thermal data thing he attached with review is weird
2016-02-12T20:06:58 < dongs> maximum junction temp = 92/18 C/W
2016-02-12T20:07:02 < dongs> er 92.18
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2016-02-12T20:07:15 < zyp> /W?
2016-02-12T20:07:22 < dongs> thats the weird part
2016-02-12T20:07:22 < zyp> should be plain degrees
2016-02-12T20:08:07 < zyp> and 92.18 is oddly specific
2016-02-12T20:08:21 < dongs> this is from ToPSeCReT SMSC docs
2016-02-12T20:08:35 < dongs> this is for 70C-rated commercial package
2016-02-12T20:08:44 < dongs> 107.18C/W for 85C-industrial package.
2016-02-12T20:08:45 < zyp> anyway, 40C on the outside of a part shouldn't be a reason for concern
2016-02-12T20:08:57 < zyp> uh
2016-02-12T20:09:10 < dongs> but what if its going to some shithole where ambient temp is 30C
2016-02-12T20:09:18 < dongs> max operating temp was like 70C in datasheet
2016-02-12T20:09:22 < zyp> then case is going to be 50C
2016-02-12T20:09:28 < zyp> it's linear
2016-02-12T20:09:33 < zyp> nbd
2016-02-12T20:10:07 < upgrdman_> just CA (super glue) a penny to it someshit :)
2016-02-12T20:10:13 < dongs> ya lemme do that!!11
2016-02-12T20:10:46 < dongs> http://shop.tntrade.cz/primecooler-pc-rhs2-vga-ram-heatsink_ies100517.jpg
2016-02-12T20:10:49 < dongs> need some of these
2016-02-12T20:10:54 < dongs> for 8x8 QFN
2016-02-12T20:11:03 < upgrdman_> or be super pro like this http://techreport.com/r.x/2014_7_30_Silent_Power_PC_is_cooled_by_copper_foam/silentpower-il.jpg
2016-02-12T20:11:42 < Laurenceb> or use graphite foil
2016-02-12T20:14:32 < dongs> cooled by dildos
2016-02-12T20:19:52 < Steffanx> dildos are cool?
2016-02-12T20:20:07 < Steffanx> time to get one
2016-02-12T20:20:14 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Android/Manufacture-Android-Smartphone-Smart/
2016-02-12T20:20:18 < dongs> haha
2016-02-12T20:21:16 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Android/Manufacture-Wearable-Android-Tech/
2016-02-12T20:21:18 < dongs> related
2016-02-12T20:21:38 < englishman> this guy is into leather
2016-02-12T20:21:43 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Microcontroller-Development-STM/ ???
2016-02-12T20:22:27 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/LED-Effect-Controller/ ahhah
2016-02-12T20:23:33 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/project-9609852/ huh now thats weird
2016-02-12T20:23:53 < englishman> login required, with facebook
2016-02-12T20:23:59 < dongs> on last one>?
2016-02-12T20:24:03 < englishman>  ya
2016-02-12T20:24:08 < dongs> its like NDA or something
2016-02-12T20:24:18 < dongs> anway, they want non-audible 2400baud model
2016-02-12T20:24:22 < dongs> to coexist w/audio
2016-02-12T20:24:35 < dongs> Modem tones and/or modulation cannot be heard by human (20Hz to 20kHz) when modem is used to over twisted pair carrying balanced audio.
2016-02-12T20:24:38 < Sync> sidechannel attack stuffs
2016-02-12T20:24:48 < englishman> dsl jammer
2016-02-12T20:24:50 < Sync> better report them to the nasa
2016-02-12T20:24:53 < dongs> Range
2016-02-12T20:24:54 < dongs> 2km over both twisted and untwisted pair cable.
2016-02-12T20:25:04 < dongs> MTBF:
2016-02-12T20:25:04 < dongs> ≥100,000 hours per
2016-02-12T20:25:05 < dongs> MIL-HDBK-217F (25℃)
2016-02-12T20:28:00 < Sync> does it tell you where the guy is located?
2016-02-12T20:28:55 < dongs> that NDA one?
2016-02-12T20:28:57 < dongs> NZ i think
2016-02-12T20:29:11 < dongs> ya NZ
2016-02-12T20:29:19 < dongs> if I bid, i can see their username
2016-02-12T20:29:22 < Sync> hmm
2016-02-12T20:29:22 < dongs> but i aint gonna
2016-02-12T20:29:24 < Sync> strange
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2016-02-12T20:31:21 < dongs> wow
2016-02-12T20:31:21 < dongs> 3azm
2016-02-12T20:31:24 < dongs> 3am
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2016-02-12T20:31:25 < dongs> bedtime
2016-02-12T20:31:30 < dongs> also, that modem needs to be done on a PIC
2016-02-12T20:31:34 < dongs> so fuuuuckthat.
2016-02-12T20:31:51 < Sync> GG
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2016-02-12T23:45:59 < Tectu>  
2016-02-12T23:46:00 < Tectu> norway, sweden, DENMARK, iceland.. = scandinavia
2016-02-12T23:46:00 < Tectu> finnish.. fucking euro trash half breed russians
2016-02-12T23:46:00 < Tectu>  
2016-02-12T23:46:01 < Tectu> wut?
2016-02-12T23:46:15 < zyp> haha
2016-02-12T23:46:53 < zyp> jpa-, is this a description you identify with?
2016-02-12T23:47:07 < Tectu> that would have been my question too
2016-02-12T23:47:10 < kakimir> who said wah
2016-02-12T23:47:18 < Tectu> some dude in my skype list
2016-02-12T23:47:20 < zyp> for kakimir I guess it might be true
2016-02-12T23:47:25 < Tectu> swedish dude, of course.
2016-02-12T23:47:34 < Tectu> kakimir is finnish?
2016-02-12T23:47:59 < kakimir> true
2016-02-12T23:48:29 < kakimir> east side yo
2016-02-12T23:55:37 < upgrdman_> is soic8 and sop8 the same?
2016-02-12T23:55:52 < zyp> they have the same number of legs
2016-02-12T23:56:12 < kakimir> no it isnt
2016-02-12T23:57:03 < upgrdman_> oh nm
2016-02-12T23:57:07 < kakimir> wait
2016-02-12T23:57:08 < kakimir> it is
2016-02-12T23:57:08 < upgrdman_> i was this soic8 and so8
2016-02-12T23:57:16 < upgrdman_> sop8 != soic8
2016-02-12T23:57:24 < upgrdman_> s/this/thinking
2016-02-12T23:58:57 < kakimir> ssop8 != sop8
2016-02-12T23:59:03 < upgrdman_> ya i kno
2016-02-12T23:59:04 < upgrdman_> ya i know
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2016-02-12T23:59:09 < upgrdman_> but soic8 == so8
2016-02-12T23:59:12 < zyp> sssop8
2016-02-12T23:59:16 < zyp> sssssssssop8
2016-02-12T23:59:23 < upgrdman_> at least the footprint does, not sure about ic height
2016-02-12T23:59:30 < upgrdman_> stop8
2016-02-12T23:59:34 < upgrdman_> ;)
--- Day changed Sat Feb 13 2016
2016-02-13T00:00:01 < kakimir> Tectu: what is that swedeboys problem with finland?
2016-02-13T00:00:19 < Tectu> kakimir, just a sec, I´ll ask him
2016-02-13T00:01:08 < Tectu> kakimir,   <foo> They smell alot, are raging racists and well can't even speak properly. ;)
2016-02-13T00:02:09 < kakimir> let me look at it
2016-02-13T00:02:19 < kakimir> smell - check
2016-02-13T00:02:28 < kakimir> racists - check
2016-02-13T00:03:45 < kakimir> horrible swedish skills - check
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2016-02-13T00:04:20 < Tectu> lol
2016-02-13T00:05:22 < Tectu> kakimir,  <foo> the big issue is not the finns themself tho, its the finnish immigrants, 2nd and 3rd generation in sweden.. they are the bulk of our neo-nazi movement here funneh enough.
2016-02-13T00:05:33 < Tectu> why on earth am I even bothering...
2016-02-13T00:06:23 < zyp> haha
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2016-02-13T00:07:23 < kakimir> they propably try to flush it off by importing huge amount of north africans
2016-02-13T00:08:32 < Tectu> kakimir, seems like you found some weak spot there...   <foo>  aaand there we go. ;)
2016-02-13T00:09:40 < kakimir> hah
2016-02-13T00:09:42 < Steffanx> but jpa- is the worst of them all.
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2016-02-13T00:10:45 < kakimir> jpa- is mellow south guy
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2016-02-13T00:11:49 < Steffanx> i was in the south-east once, wasnt too bad.
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2016-02-13T00:12:50 < zyp> I changed planes in helsinki a few times
2016-02-13T00:12:58 < zyp> it's one of the nicest airports I've been to
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2016-02-13T00:14:57 < kakimir> hmm you can have that skype thing and talk to strangers
2016-02-13T00:15:25 < Steffanx> i dont need skype. i have ##stm32
2016-02-13T00:17:15 < zyp> but what about the camsex?
2016-02-13T00:18:00 < Steffanx> imgur and liveleak is enough
2016-02-13T00:21:02 < kakimir> there is that omegle thing also
2016-02-13T00:22:40 < mitrax> pffft skype
2016-02-13T00:22:45 < mitrax> netmeeting ftw!
2016-02-13T00:31:46 < kakimir> I'm not too much in comfort to chat using big corporate servers as proxy
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2016-02-13T01:22:31 < upgrdman_> retweeting from someone in ##fpga   https://imgur.com/gallery/GTJMgCT
2016-02-13T01:30:58 < Laurenceb_> this is not twitter
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2016-02-13T01:32:45 < Laurenceb_> so much better than 8chan
2016-02-13T01:33:28 < upgrdman_> Laurenceb_, what you do mean this is not twitter? all the irc channels names start with HASHTAG ;)
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2016-02-13T01:35:01 < Laurenceb_> http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/912719-intimidation-game
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2016-02-13T01:40:38 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d_FvgQ1csE
2016-02-13T01:41:08 < crt> wtf is that thing on his head
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2016-02-13T01:46:44 < jadew> wtf is that?
2016-02-13T01:47:09 < crt> o,o
2016-02-13T01:47:13 < Laurenceb_> the new president
2016-02-13T01:47:23 < Laurenceb_> our lord and saviour
2016-02-13T01:47:36 < crt> is he australian?
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2016-02-13T01:48:26 < Laurenceb_> from Boston according to WP
2016-02-13T01:51:27 < jadew> ok... so according to wikipedia, that shit is real
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2016-02-13T02:49:29 < Laurenceb_> http://archive.is/HQjGW
2016-02-13T02:52:25 < Laurenceb_> Thought surveillance. Read TIs’ thoughts by brain-mapping from Low-Orbiting Satellites connected to Cell Towers and Super-Computers on Earth. In some extreme cases, see though a TI’s eyes in real-time. TI brain implants are common
2016-02-13T02:52:31 < Laurenceb_> this is genius b8
2016-02-13T02:54:36 < kakimir> 451 Unavailable For Legal Reasons
2016-02-13T02:56:23 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVnuFY20st0
2016-02-13T02:56:40 < Laurenceb_> haha wtf
2016-02-13T02:57:03 < Laurenceb_> illuminati confirmed
2016-02-13T03:02:21 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: care to share a copuy?
2016-02-13T03:04:32 < Laurenceb_> its not worth reading - Snowden style into then troll mode reptoid stuff for b8 lulz
2016-02-13T03:04:55 < Laurenceb_> http://beforeitsnews.com/spies-and-intelligence/2015/07/are-you-a-targeted-individual-foolproof-research-criteria-secrets-2447408.html
2016-02-13T03:05:01 < Laurenceb_> archive banned in Finland?
2016-02-13T03:06:34 < Laurenceb_> just like in Putinland :D
2016-02-13T03:07:03 < Laurenceb_> ooh they have built some hardware
2016-02-13T03:07:05 < Laurenceb_> https://www.iter.org/album/construction
2016-02-13T03:07:24 < Laurenceb_> no controller on that servo motor :P
2016-02-13T03:10:22 < kakimir> I think there migth be some brain wave altering devices
2016-02-13T03:12:07 < kakimir> but not this "they use gps chip to send data to gps satellites and then to CIA where they watch your every move"
2016-02-13T03:12:21 < kakimir> "it placed inside your teeth"
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2016-02-13T03:13:48 < kakimir> having things like gps being basically one way or having enought power to send out are not problems
2016-02-13T03:14:11 < kakimir> because conspiracy
2016-02-13T03:14:53 < Laurenceb_> kakimir you need to get a job
2016-02-13T03:15:03 < kakimir> you too
2016-02-13T03:15:08 < Laurenceb_> I have one thanks
2016-02-13T03:15:11 < zyp> kakimir, maybe they use load modulation!
2016-02-13T03:15:52 < kakimir> they have pretty precise transmitter then?
2016-02-13T03:16:04 < BrainDamage> load modulation requires near field coupling
2016-02-13T03:20:01  * Laurenceb_ is trying to design an amazon prime style delivery system
2016-02-13T03:20:05 < Laurenceb_> for the lulz
2016-02-13T03:20:45 < BrainDamage> does it involve spin stabilized rockets on high altitude balloons?
2016-02-13T03:21:46 < Laurenceb_> yes lol
2016-02-13T03:22:35 < Laurenceb_> well actually I was wondering if a "safe" and cheap disposable guided cardboard box could be built
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2016-02-13T03:22:53 < kakimir> deliver anti-jihad goods?
2016-02-13T03:23:00 < Laurenceb_> so fixed wind "drone" releases it at 40m altitude and it flies to the target
2016-02-13T03:23:12 < Laurenceb_> kind of anti-jihad thing for parcel delivery
2016-02-13T03:23:23 < Laurenceb_> like the Russian SVP-24 perhaps
2016-02-13T03:23:43 < Laurenceb_> this is a fun design challenge
2016-02-13T03:23:47 < BrainDamage> so like ww2 glider transport troops
2016-02-13T03:23:58 < Laurenceb_> yes, but cardboard
2016-02-13T03:24:24 < Laurenceb_> and needs to be safe so as not to kill children playing, and very low cost
2016-02-13T03:24:33 < PeterM> inb4 google releases googple cardboard prime and steals Laurenceb_s thunder
2016-02-13T03:24:39 < Laurenceb_> lol
2016-02-13T03:25:12 < BrainDamage> what advantage has the glider compared to a canvas dampener like a chute?
2016-02-13T03:25:18 < zauslande> hmm, I know of a Bell Helicopter engineer that designed a B52 Ejection system that had no parachute... used a cardboard descender to decellerate the airman. Too radical to be developed... as far as anyone would know... anyway.
2016-02-13T03:25:20 < Laurenceb_> so far I have 15cmx15cmx15cm cardboard box with up to 2.5Kg of payload released at 90mph at 40m
2016-02-13T03:25:20 < BrainDamage> less environmental effects?
2016-02-13T03:25:21 < PeterM> price
2016-02-13T03:25:34 < Laurenceb_> <BrainDamage> maybe safer and cheaper overall
2016-02-13T03:25:41 < Laurenceb_> once you account for worse cases
2016-02-13T03:25:51 < Laurenceb_> so hovering thing to mash up children
2016-02-13T03:26:16 < Laurenceb_> but mainly as I'm bored and playing with CFD tools and other overengineered shit for lulz
2016-02-13T03:26:18 < zauslande> 40 meters or 40 miles?
2016-02-13T03:26:23 < Laurenceb_> 40meters
2016-02-13T03:26:32 < zauslande> ah, not as much fun
2016-02-13T03:26:39 < Laurenceb_> so yeah I actually just spent 3 hours writing a sim of this :S
2016-02-13T03:27:19 < PeterM> [12:26] <Laurenceb_> so yeah I actually just wasted 3 hours writing a sim of this :S
2016-02-13T03:27:20 < zauslande> 40miles made the platform rather interesting as to what it might be. :)
2016-02-13T03:27:25 < Laurenceb_> turns out it could get 1.5m CEP and <5G shock to the payload using an inflatable ballute inflated by 1.5L pop bottle
2016-02-13T03:28:00 < kakimir> have special cardboard with some stronger clue in it
2016-02-13T03:28:03 < Laurenceb_> with 99% availability using mid UK wind model
2016-02-13T03:28:30 < kakimir> glue
2016-02-13T03:28:50 < Laurenceb_> the problem is the payload gets shaken up, you need soft touchdown
2016-02-13T03:29:01 < Laurenceb_> but a parachute will give terrible wind drift
2016-02-13T03:29:33 < BrainDamage> i'd imagine the drone itself would create plenty of turbolence, unless it free falls for a while itself
2016-02-13T03:29:34 < zauslande> so eject the payload like the first Russian capsules... cosmonaut ejected for parachute descent before capsule hit the ground.
2016-02-13T03:29:37 < Laurenceb_> so pop bottle with compressed air + ballute + IR trigger, supercap and hot wire based valve might work
2016-02-13T03:30:08 < Laurenceb_> customer leaves an IR beacon at the landing site
2016-02-13T03:30:11 < kakimir> have rotor to it
2016-02-13T03:30:16 < kakimir> autorotate
2016-02-13T03:30:25 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: yeah that actually works crazy well
2016-02-13T03:30:39 < Laurenceb_> two 25cm long cardboard fins can support 2.5kg
2016-02-13T03:30:58 < Laurenceb_> only issue it its buzzing round at 30hz and the ends are doing >100mph
2016-02-13T03:31:12 < Laurenceb_> wonder what that does to a babies head
2016-02-13T03:31:27 < kakimir> I dont mean fins
2016-02-13T03:31:33 < Laurenceb_> I know
2016-02-13T03:31:41 < kakimir> actual rotor with bearing to it
2016-02-13T03:31:58 < Laurenceb_> you mean this http://robotics.estec.esa.int/ASTRA/Astra2008/S05/05_03_Lutz.pdf
2016-02-13T03:32:06 < Laurenceb_> nah just spin the whole thing
2016-02-13T03:32:41 < Laurenceb_> but anyways, this is more of a fun challenge than that hypoerloop pod design stuff
2016-02-13T03:32:56 < BrainDamage> you also run the problem of packing, if the thing has by disgrace symmetrical inertia momentum it'd topple
2016-02-13T03:33:14  * zauslande had a model rocket in 1968 that autogyrated to land. The rocket engine ejected, freeing swing pins to turn two fins.
2016-02-13T03:33:15 < kakimir> yes. something like that
2016-02-13T03:33:28 < Laurenceb_> yeah I decided spinning things are out due to need to calibrate moment of inertia
2016-02-13T03:33:48 < zyp> spin.gif
2016-02-13T03:33:52 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-02-13T03:34:10 < Laurenceb_> this could be like the outback rescue challenge in reverse
2016-02-13T03:34:26 < Laurenceb_> outback parcel bombing.. maybe have them deliver unsmashed eggs
2016-02-13T03:34:49 < Laurenceb_> zauslande: thats a standard technique for rocket stability
2016-02-13T03:35:08 < PeterM> how about jsut have a bubble around it that inflates and let it fall to the ground, it shouldnt hurt anyone, its a bubble :P
2016-02-13T03:35:20 < Laurenceb_> yeah or that
2016-02-13T03:35:25 < zauslande> Also had one that ejected its engine making it a stable sale plane to land.
2016-02-13T03:35:32 < BrainDamage> the bubble tought has to deflate fast
2016-02-13T03:35:35 < PeterM> such a shgame i it was carrying lie... a box of kitchen knives though
2016-02-13T03:35:35 < Laurenceb_> another problem with chutes is that they can drag
2016-02-13T03:35:37 < BrainDamage> or it'd bounce around
2016-02-13T03:35:45 < Laurenceb_> bubbles and ballutes can deflate quickly
2016-02-13T03:36:08 < PeterM> BrainDamage, jsut overinfplate teh bubble so it pops
2016-02-13T03:36:57 < BrainDamage> also giant bubble will have even more the wind crossection problem
2016-02-13T03:37:06 < Laurenceb_> <zauslande> if you are interested in rockets this might be interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erwtQFfFNTQ
2016-02-13T03:37:17 < BrainDamage> the drone would need quite a decent fluid prediction model
2016-02-13T03:37:21 < PeterM> don't have the buble inflate until its close to the ground, have fast inflation airbag style
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2016-02-13T03:37:49 < zauslande> Laurenceb: Naw, I was interested in them in 1968. After engineering school I played with microprocessors instead.
2016-02-13T03:40:40 < Laurenceb_> my problem is I play with everything and don't commit
2016-02-13T03:42:20 < BrainDamage> i am guilty of having too many unfinished shit too, on the other hand, it's probably the reason why i haven't accidentally sterilized myself yet
2016-02-13T03:42:36 < BrainDamage> it would be a neat darwin award tought
2016-02-13T03:43:40 < Laurenceb_> I was offered a job developing auto firmware for UKP60k, but not sure if I can be bothered to commit
2016-02-13T03:43:45 < Laurenceb_> seems like a waste of life
2016-02-13T03:44:45 < upgrdman> ukp == pounds?
2016-02-13T03:44:49 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-02-13T03:44:57 < upgrdman> is that 60k for the project or per year
2016-02-13T03:45:04 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should kickstart something completely nutty instead
2016-02-13T03:45:04 < upgrdman> cause per year sounds WAY low
2016-02-13T03:45:06 < Laurenceb_> per year
2016-02-13T03:45:11 < zauslande> waste of life is not worth money
2016-02-13T03:45:25 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman... seriously?
2016-02-13T03:45:33 < zauslande> but isn't that the foundation of capitalism?
2016-02-13T03:45:46 < Laurenceb_> thats like borderline banker wage here
2016-02-13T03:46:04 < PeterM> cost of living in the UK is pretty dcent
2016-02-13T03:46:16 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, 60k ~= 90k USD right?
2016-02-13T03:46:37 < BrainDamage> my friend after his phd moved to us, starter pay 85k$/year, i was like, wat
2016-02-13T03:46:53 < PeterM> upgrdman, yeah pretty close to that
2016-02-13T03:47:03 < Laurenceb_> yeah about 90k
2016-02-13T03:47:21 < zauslande> $85K? how many decades ago was that?
2016-02-13T03:47:35 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, i guess it depends on cost of living, but in southern california, some people make 80k+ USD fresh out of the university
2016-02-13T03:47:49 < BrainDamage> zauslande: 2 weeks ago
2016-02-13T03:47:52 < upgrdman> like, with a bachelors
2016-02-13T03:47:58 < upgrdman> not even a masters or doc
2016-02-13T03:47:58 < Laurenceb_> crazy
2016-02-13T03:48:58 < BrainDamage> zauslande: well, here you're paid 30k€ starter with a master, and it's already not bad
2016-02-13T03:49:20 < BrainDamage> so yes, 85 sounds like a lot in comparison
2016-02-13T03:49:58 < upgrdman> i should note that in so cal, a one bedroom apartment in a lower-middle class neighborhood is like $1500 a month
2016-02-13T03:50:29 < Laurenceb_> heh much cheaper in Northern UK
2016-02-13T03:51:51 < zauslande> but in Northern UK its in a barn.
2016-02-13T03:52:03 < BrainDamage> and i tought that milan was expensive
2016-02-13T03:52:15 < BrainDamage> you're essentially paying almost 3x
2016-02-13T03:52:36 < upgrdman> ya
2016-02-13T03:52:51 < upgrdman> but the weather and the women in so cal are a+
2016-02-13T03:53:03 < BrainDamage> i bet you're still at advantage tought
2016-02-13T03:53:08 < upgrdman> and frankly, i care more about the weather
2016-02-13T03:53:35 < upgrdman> fuck going to places that are super hot, super cold, humid as fuck, etc.
2016-02-13T03:53:44 < upgrdman> i wear t-shirt all year long
2016-02-13T03:53:51 < gxti> i'd rather have the money :p
2016-02-13T03:54:11 < upgrdman> "cold" just means i close my window instead of leaving it cracked
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2016-02-13T03:57:15  * zauslande prefers the foothills of the Sierra east of Sacramento
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2016-02-13T04:05:29  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2016-02-13T04:09:10 < emeb_mac> zzzzleepy Laurenceb
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2016-02-13T04:29:24 < englishman> working in automotive r&d sounds a good way to suicide but keep on living
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2016-02-13T04:56:40 < kakimir> receive money for life you lost?
2016-02-13T04:57:21 < kakimir> zxxx<<
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2016-02-13T05:20:54 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/rEq1j3s.gifv
2016-02-13T05:22:27 < emeb_mac> model?
2016-02-13T05:25:37 < englishman> nice
2016-02-13T05:31:08 < upgrdman> emeb_mac, no bro, it's full size.
2016-02-13T05:34:53 < dongs> http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/female-video-game-developer-snaps-at-twitter-troll-results-are-fantastic-620
2016-02-13T05:36:54 < upgrdman> lol  https://gfycat.com/PoisedScornfulIndri
2016-02-13T05:37:33 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVnuFY20st0
2016-02-13T05:38:54 < dongs> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12715471_1019053464832713_3711503138499000014_n.jpg?oh=47dd72a1374d88ba54d39670dd001c21&oe=57330905
2016-02-13T05:45:35 < aandrew> that vice article is weaksauce
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2016-02-13T05:45:58 < aandrew> she didn't school anyone. she responded to a troll with technical fact which is... what exactly?
2016-02-13T05:46:16 < dongs> i hope you realize "she" is actually a "he" right.
2016-02-13T05:50:17 < englishman> his wikipedia page doesnt mention that she used to be a guy
2016-02-13T05:50:22 < englishman> like at all
2016-02-13T05:50:24 < englishman> not even in talk
2016-02-13T05:50:33 < dongs> lol.
2016-02-13T05:50:41 < dongs> im sure it gets edited out real quick
2016-02-13T05:57:32 < ReadError> http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/meet-the-man-who-drilled-a-hole-in-his-own-skull-to-stay-high-forever
2016-02-13T05:57:35 < ReadError> uhh
2016-02-13T06:00:05 < ds2> hmmm
2016-02-13T06:01:27 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/a/7NIAW
2016-02-13T06:03:44 < emeb_mac> reminds me of a story a relative tells - he is a dentist and describes a long-haul trucker who gave himself a root canal with a power drill.
2016-02-13T06:16:29 < Getty> does someone know of a country where you can actually send sms with a blocked number AND let the other side reply? i am sometimes really confused what movies/TV people make up for technological interesting setups
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2016-02-13T06:56:01 < upgrdman> ?
2016-02-13T06:56:44 < upgrdman> k
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2016-02-13T07:02:50 < dongs> donbas more like dumbass
2016-02-13T07:02:56 < dongs> about as funny as your typical Laurenceb link
2016-02-13T07:08:53 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrIct_m7vaA
2016-02-13T07:10:22 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu0KgZFCTO8
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2016-02-13T08:01:59 < ReadError> https://www.verical.com/pd/stmicroelectronics-microcontroller-STM32F302K8U6-920575?utm_source=FindChips&utm_medium=invListing&utm_campaign=FC2015
2016-02-13T08:02:04 < ReadError> anyone used them before?
2016-02-13T08:02:10 < ReadError> they have cheap ass prices
2016-02-13T08:10:33 < dongs> ;yes i buy from them a lot.
2016-02-13T08:13:12 < ReadError> hmm paypal too
2016-02-13T08:13:33 < dongs> its just blackmarket branch of arrrow
2016-02-13T08:13:48 < dongs> they dont have free shipping and similar shit.
2016-02-13T08:13:59 < ReadError> small qty price is the same as like 250+ from legit places
2016-02-13T08:14:00 < dongs> and sometimes stock comes from random places
2016-02-13T08:16:45 < grummund> blackmarket?
2016-02-13T08:56:30 < dongs> you know like parts from dodgy china except slightly more legit
2016-02-13T09:05:04 < ds2> don't  they sell overstock/left over parts?
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2016-02-13T09:11:04 < dongs> exactly
2016-02-13T09:11:12 < dongs> hmm
2016-02-13T09:11:17 < dongs> im liking this PAM2306 thing
2016-02-13T09:15:15 < dongs> ive been using NCP1532 but it needs R1/R2 for both rails
2016-02-13T09:15:18 < dongs> much waste of space
2016-02-13T09:25:55 < upgrdman> wtf chrome. download 6 files simulaneously and it puts cpu usage at 98% on an i7
2016-02-13T09:26:14 < upgrdman> downloading to an SSD to, so not like queueing the fuck out of buffers
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2016-02-13T10:06:46 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/php/Write-PIC-assembly-language-program-9642038/
2016-02-13T10:07:05 < dongs> paging ivan
2016-02-13T10:08:47 < dongs> Skills required:
2016-02-13T10:08:47 < dongs> -Experience in PCB design and layout
2016-02-13T10:08:47 < dongs> -Experience in power circuit design
2016-02-13T10:08:47 < dongs> -Good understanding on RF systems (Bluetooth and NFC)
2016-02-13T10:08:47 < dongs> -Familiar with the Arduino form factor
2016-02-13T10:08:49 < dongs> -Good verbal and written communication skills
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2016-02-13T10:40:32 < grummund> ReadError: how did you find that part?  random search for mcus on there have minimum qty 300+
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2016-02-13T10:46:40 < grummund> duh. ok they have a moq filter
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2016-02-13T12:46:29 < dongs> hmmm
2016-02-13T12:46:35 < dongs> i can send SF to USA from japan now it seems
2016-02-13T12:48:18 < dongs> zyp, for the boards where you used 2x13 headers
2016-02-13T12:48:30 < dongs> the male part was just a regular through-hole header?
2016-02-13T12:48:38 < dongs> or was it smt
2016-02-13T12:52:19 < ReadError> TIL: //   note: loop runs backwards as more efficent on AVR
2016-02-13T12:52:29 < ReadError> for (i = 16; i > 0; i--)
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2016-02-13T13:05:07 < karlp> ReadError: hard to believe that's still the case.  it's something you can find as old cargo culting with bad compilers, but a lot of those cases have all been worked out now..
2016-02-13T13:05:31 < karlp> you've got tbe really cycle pinching to make it worth while too.
2016-02-13T13:06:11 < ReadError> yea just randomly read it in some code, never heard that before
2016-02-13T13:08:48 < karlp> there's even a few examples of changing the way the for() args are arranged, and using while instead of for that used to get things to optimze better for some cases.
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2016-02-13T13:11:28 < ambro718> Hey, do I understand correctly, the F4 DMA does not support buffer chaining?
2016-02-13T13:11:43 < ambro718> i.e. linked list of transfer descriptors
2016-02-13T13:11:58 < dongs> err, does any MCU dma?
2016-02-13T13:12:14 < dongs> you can doublebuffer i guess
2016-02-13T13:13:14 < ambro718> dongs: Atmel SAM3X does (e.g. the chip on Arduino Due)
2016-02-13T13:13:25 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2016-02-13T13:13:58 < ambro718> ah yeas the double buffering can be used, thanks
2016-02-13T13:16:35 < dongs> how is your insane C++14 printer firmware going?
2016-02-13T13:16:40 < jpa-> yeah, stm32f4 dma supports that as long as you update the buffer pointer in interrupt
2016-02-13T13:16:42 < dongs> can see the forest through the trees yet?
2016-02-13T13:17:55 < ambro718> dongs: I'm working on a web interface generally, but right now I'm optimizing my SD-card/FAT code to use multiple-block transfers
2016-02-13T13:18:13 < ambro718> so uploading files won't be dog-slow
2016-02-13T13:18:27 < dongs> so you wrote your own fatfs driver too, instead of reusing something that works?
2016-02-13T13:18:44 < ambro718> indeed, there is no asynchronous fatfs driver
2016-02-13T13:22:09 < dongs> k. keep at it. it'll be a nice resume filler.
2016-02-13T13:22:23 < dongs> typical C++ project, looks OK on resume, but useless in reality.
2016-02-13T13:25:27 < ambro718> it's not useless, it can control robots!
2016-02-13T13:26:40 < ambro718> ... so with DMA in double buffer mode, what if the software fails to update the next pointer in time? there is no mechanism for DMA to pause?
2016-02-13T13:26:58 < ambro718> I wouldn't want it to write incorrect data to the SD card
2016-02-13T13:28:34 < jpa-> you could just use one-shot dma transfers and start a new transfer in interrupt
2016-02-13T13:28:49 < jpa-> the SD card doesn't really care if there is a few clocks of pause between the bytes
2016-02-13T13:29:54 < ambro718> yeah that's probably the easiest solution. Though I could also handle the buffer swaps in interrupts.
2016-02-13T13:30:15 < jpa-> of course you would
2016-02-13T13:30:22 < dongs> ambro718: if you're the only guy who can ever read or improve on the code, its useless
2016-02-13T13:30:24 < jpa-> but yeah, one-shot is easier also if the buffers vary in sizes
2016-02-13T13:30:35 < jpa-> dongs: not really
2016-02-13T13:30:58 < ambro718> dongs: that is not true, also the code is quite readable for people who generally can read code
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2016-02-13T15:09:14 < ReadError> whats the cleanest way to have multiple switch states stored
2016-02-13T15:09:28 < ReadError> like if you have 3 gpio to select 8 states
2016-02-13T15:09:31 < dongs> clone something from dominic clifton
2016-02-13T15:09:52 < ReadError> i know i can do it, it will just look really shitty and long
2016-02-13T15:10:29 < dongs> creating honest original content is pretty hard
2016-02-13T15:10:41 < ReadError> nah i just want to learn
2016-02-13T15:10:45 < ReadError> expand my views
2016-02-13T15:15:38 < ReadError> teach me how to dougie dongs
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2016-02-13T15:20:26 < dongs> your question doesnt make sense so I didnt bother trying to udnerstand it
2016-02-13T15:20:57 < Mikk36> I'm guessing this is what you want to learn about? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bit_field
2016-02-13T15:22:03 < Mikk36> That is, how to read which state you're in according to the bits?
2016-02-13T15:23:35 < ReadError> hmm good idea
2016-02-13T15:24:17 < Mikk36> otherwise, if they're not for combining, just convert the bits to an int
2016-02-13T15:24:56 < Mikk36> ie, just a simple binary to decimal
2016-02-13T15:25:38 < Mikk36> And then switch between the int values
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2016-02-13T17:02:31 < ReadError> do constants automatically get put in flash instead of RAM? or do you need to use some preprocessor stuff to make it?
2016-02-13T17:05:27 < dongs> whyt dont you look at map file, cloner
2016-02-13T17:05:33 < dongs> and const nigger = {} will be in flash
2016-02-13T17:05:36 < dongs> nigger = {} will be in ram
2016-02-13T17:08:30 < ReadError> hey guy, go smoke a bowl and calm down
2016-02-13T17:08:32 < Martin90> does anybody here use system workbench ?
2016-02-13T17:08:51 < Martin90> I mean system workbench for stm32 ?
2016-02-13T17:08:56 < Martin90> based on eclipse...
2016-02-13T17:09:31 < dongs> i mean
2016-02-13T17:09:33 < dongs> if youre gonna use aids..
2016-02-13T17:09:38 < dongs> you mgiht as well just use the core aids
2016-02-13T17:09:44 < dongs> just raw eclipse
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2016-02-13T17:11:27 < dongs> i did a eclipse setup in VM with gae gcc and gnu-arm-eclipse plugin thingy with jlink in about 15 minutes
2016-02-13T17:11:35 < dongs> and was able to build, flash, and debug
2016-02-13T17:13:08 < dongs> it might be a bit more of a chore to setup with openocd, but i'm sure some dudes in here can help you
2016-02-13T17:13:24 < ReadError> chibistudio comes w/ all that setup too
2016-02-13T17:13:38 < ReadError> works fine for other things
2016-02-13T17:16:09 < Martin90> would yo recomend SW4STM32 ?
2016-02-13T17:16:20 < Martin90> for regular Mx dev ?
2016-02-13T17:16:58 < Martin90> I see project template is awkward
2016-02-13T17:17:16 < ReadError> oh I tried that
2016-02-13T17:17:20 < ReadError> it completely sucked
2016-02-13T17:17:32 < ReadError> shit didnt even work right
2016-02-13T17:18:56 < Martin90> it works for me if I use Cube template
2016-02-13T17:19:07 < Martin90> if I set it up myself then nothing but errors
2016-02-13T17:19:11 < dongs> err
2016-02-13T17:19:17 < dongs> do you even know  C???
2016-02-13T17:19:21 < dongs> this is liek basic shit dude.
2016-02-13T17:19:27 < Martin90> dongs: yes I do know C
2016-02-13T17:19:52 < Martin90> it has nothing to do with C at this stage...
2016-02-13T17:20:11 < ReadError> Martin90 iirc the example projects included didnt even work
2016-02-13T17:20:25 < Martin90> it's about seeting up project space
2016-02-13T17:20:39 < Martin90> ReadError: well led blinker works for me
2016-02-13T17:21:00 < ReadError> i think cube templates will work with any eclipse
2016-02-13T17:22:31 < Martin90> well I create fresh project in SW4STM32 then coppy all Cube4 example files compile and what ? List of errors like cannot be resolved...
2016-02-13T17:22:40 < dongs> like whaT?
2016-02-13T17:22:44 < dongs> then fucking resolve them
2016-02-13T17:22:45 < dongs> jesus dude
2016-02-13T17:22:57 < dongs> look at non-resolved function name
2016-02-13T17:23:00 < dongs> grep the sores for it
2016-02-13T17:23:04 < dongs> see why its not getting liinked/built/etc
2016-02-13T17:23:08 < dongs> resolve
2016-02-13T17:23:09 < dongs> rebuild
2016-02-13T17:23:09 < dongs> done
2016-02-13T17:23:21 < Martin90> do you think I didn't try to do so?
2016-02-13T17:23:37 < Martin90> my points is the way it organizes fiels is horrible!
2016-02-13T17:23:43 < Martin90> files
2016-02-13T17:23:44 < ReadError> whats teh point of it then, i thought it was just supposed to work
2016-02-13T17:23:49 < dongs> you havente mentioned a single concrete problem
2016-02-13T17:24:24 < dongs> Martin90: i have a SHITLOAD of stm32 projects building in keil, all mostly flat structure, src\ with actual code, lib\ with CMSIS, StdPeriphLib or Cube, and obj\ for binary shit.
2016-02-13T17:24:31 < dongs> what is there to organize?
2016-02-13T17:24:48 < Martin90> I just came up with conclusion that SW4STM32 is shit IDE
2016-02-13T17:25:10 < dongs> surely IDE just fucking lets you edit files and compiles it for you
2016-02-13T17:25:52 < Martin90> dongs: well beside things you mentioned there are folders like Debug Startup Includeds (not inc)
2016-02-13T17:26:32 < Martin90> funny think is many of them use some sort of inheritance
2016-02-13T17:26:57 < Martin90> so files are not even in project workspace but mgicaly inherited from somewhere
2016-02-13T17:27:17 < dongs> all my projects are standalone
2016-02-13T17:27:27 < dongs> i specifically disable "use system incldues" stuff
2016-02-13T17:27:35 < dongs> because incase there's old versions of CMSIS/whatever laying around IDE, I dont want to use them.
2016-02-13T17:27:53 < Martin90> dongs: you use Keil uVision ?
2016-02-13T17:28:09 < dongs> yeah.
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2016-02-13T17:29:09 < dongs> there's even free version for F0 with no strings attached
2016-02-13T17:29:50 < dongs> looks like mdk518 is out time to grab
2016-02-13T17:30:21 < dongs> if you're using F0 its even free/unlimited no strings attached
2016-02-13T17:30:28 < dongs> for other cortex its 32k limited.
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2016-02-13T17:31:50 < Martin90> that's why I really would like to use that SW4STM32
2016-02-13T17:33:11 < dongs> hm, its ST's official shite
2016-02-13T17:33:14 < dongs> why the fuck is it broken tehn?
2016-02-13T17:33:18 < dongs> are you sure you're not just fuckign shit up?
2016-02-13T17:33:46 < Martin90> well it works
2016-02-13T17:34:03 < Martin90> but in a way that's fucking awkward
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2016-02-13T17:36:59 < dongs> duded
2016-02-13T17:37:01 < dongs> its ancient
2016-02-13T17:37:02 < dongs> 2015
2016-02-13T17:37:09 < dongs>  /02
2016-02-13T17:37:27 < Martin90> 2015 is ancient ?
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2016-02-13T17:37:47 < dongs> just download 1) eclipse for C/C++ 2) gnu-arm-eclipse plugin for #1 3) gcc-arm-embedded for compiler
2016-02-13T17:37:51 < dongs> done
2016-02-13T17:37:54 < dongs> then make your own projects
2016-02-13T17:38:21 < dongs> all you need to "build" is main.c and startup + linker file
2016-02-13T17:38:28 < dongs> startup + linker is in stdperiph/cube
2016-02-13T17:38:31 < dongs> main.c you write yourself
2016-02-13T17:38:51 < Martin90> hmm what this "startup" really is ?
2016-02-13T17:38:55 < dongs> if you want to ouse any of cube/etc shit, will need to -DUSE_STDPERIPH_DRIVER type stuff + HSE_VALUE and shit, all that will be obvious once you try to startt building
2016-02-13T17:39:16 < dongs> startup_yourmcu.s which is inside cmsis\vendor\st\someshit dir
2016-02-13T17:39:39 < dongs> .ld linker stuff is also there in similar place
2016-02-13T17:39:44 < dongs> maybe under vendor\templates or something
2016-02-13T17:39:49 < Martin90> yes ok
2016-02-13T17:39:59 < Martin90> thanks for suggestion
2016-02-13T17:41:26 < ReadError> https://sourceforge.net/projects/chibios/files/ChibiStudio/
2016-02-13T17:41:35 < ReadError> this works pretty much out of the box
2016-02-13T17:41:49 < dongs> fuck that kawaii shit
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2016-02-13T17:47:19 < dongs> An analysis of pull requests, or users’ submissions of new code to the projects of other software developers, revealed that code written by women was accepted 78.6 percent of the time. For men, the figure was 74.6 percent. But when female coders did indicate their gender, they were far less likely to have their code accepted, with their approval rate plummeting to 62.5 percent.
2016-02-13T17:50:45 < Martin90> ;)
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2016-02-13T17:53:33 < dongs> ragequitter
2016-02-13T17:53:33 < BrainDamage> not as troll as https://github.com/django/django/pull/2692
2016-02-13T17:54:28 < englishman> STM32CubeMX Software V4.13.0 / 1 February 2016 Main Changes:
2016-02-13T17:54:28 < englishman> Added Linux support.
2016-02-13T17:54:35 < dongs> lel
2016-02-13T17:54:47 < dongs> looks like no need to download it then
2016-02-13T17:54:49 < dongs> if thts the only change
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2016-02-13T18:32:38 < Laurenceb_> lol dat pull request
2016-02-13T18:33:05 < Laurenceb_> SJWs love leader/follower as they get to be "leader"
2016-02-13T18:34:38 < Laurenceb_> ironic how they are attracted to hipster shit
2016-02-13T18:34:56 < Laurenceb_> dont see any stupid pull requests in anything thats actually useful for real work
2016-02-13T18:36:42 < englishman> ublock origin says going to chibistudio site is dangerous, due to sourceforge.net
2016-02-13T18:36:55 < englishman> known malware provider domain
2016-02-13T18:37:11 < kakimir> hello sexuals
2016-02-13T18:38:05 < Laurenceb_> dongs: that "study" is totally stupid
2016-02-13T18:38:30 < Laurenceb_> even using the n00b error analysis in the study itself, the conclusions arent statistically significant
2016-02-13T18:38:40 < Laurenceb_> there is a reason its not peer reviewed
2016-02-13T18:39:28 < Laurenceb_> also, the two languages with highest male/female ratio are c followed by matlab
2016-02-13T18:39:30 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2016-02-13T18:43:57 < Laurenceb_> explains why its a sausagefest at work, we use nothing else
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2016-02-13T19:45:50 < englishman> found Laurenceb_s pet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QaAKi0NFkA
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2016-02-13T21:37:23 < Laurenceb_> anyone know what this plugs into?
2016-02-13T21:37:25 < Laurenceb_> http://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/50-37-5033/?qs=AplfTeSvkkCfnVdKv8UuEg%3d%3d
2016-02-13T21:48:46 < englishman> probably a receptacle
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2016-02-13T22:12:44 < mitrax> Laurenceb_: they mate with the 5267 series
2016-02-13T22:13:15 < mitrax> Laurenceb_: http://www.mouser.fr/ProductDetail/Molex/22-03-5035/?qs=%2fha2pyFaduig80cpJzBz%252biw5zkHfFY%252bO7JLGnRABR3NQsV0UmAghNg%3d%3d
2016-02-13T22:16:35 < Laurenceb_> ah thanks
2016-02-13T22:17:01 < mitrax> np
2016-02-13T22:20:44 < Laurenceb_> http://www.mouser.co.uk/ProductDetail/Molex/22-05-7035/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMs%252bGHln7q6pm48SVpWlpfsEpRW3vxf%252bAHQ%3d
2016-02-13T22:20:50 < Laurenceb_> right angle version ?
2016-02-13T22:21:14 < Laurenceb_> why can't they keep the same series number for all compatible stuff :-/
2016-02-13T22:21:41 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAkuJXGldrM that is how you do launch events
2016-02-13T22:22:30 < Laurenceb_> from the comments: "dat autism"
2016-02-13T22:22:32 < mitrax> Laurenceb_: yeah, it will mate too, the datasheet has a "Mate with" box on the right (5264 is the one you initially pasted)
2016-02-13T22:23:06 < mitrax> kakimire: that has been posted twice already :)
2016-02-13T22:23:13 < Laurenceb_> oh missed that lol
2016-02-13T22:23:19 < Laurenceb_> there is some method in the madness
2016-02-13T22:24:00  * Laurenceb_ is trying to connect to cheap china lipos
2016-02-13T22:37:00 < kakimir> looks like a good party
2016-02-13T22:37:05 -!- BrightCloudy is now known as Bright
2016-02-13T22:37:13 < kakimir> someone should have given gates some uppers
2016-02-13T22:51:52 < Laurenceb_> "It looks like a christian dance marathon"
2016-02-13T22:51:55 < Laurenceb_> irl lolling
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2016-02-13T23:20:30 < kakimir> bill is watching
2016-02-13T23:24:08 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdzBBWXltcWZWa1U/view?usp=sharing recycling innovation intensifies
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2016-02-14T00:04:26 < Laurenceb_> hmm this is weird
2016-02-14T00:04:44 < Laurenceb_> my mouse is only working over the taskbar in lunix
2016-02-14T00:08:01 < Steffanx> Pebkac
2016-02-14T00:19:33 < Tectu> kakimir, your wife must love you.
2016-02-14T00:22:45 < Laurenceb_> his hand loves him?
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2016-02-14T00:56:25 < kakimir> my hypotethical wife
2016-02-14T00:56:51 < Laurenceb_> wife=sqrt(-1)
2016-02-14T00:57:27 < kakimir> before I get wife
2016-02-14T00:57:32 < Tectu> that was a good one, Laurenceb_
2016-02-14T00:57:33 < kakimir> I need to build secret mancave
2016-02-14T00:57:49 < kakimir> where I spend all my time
2016-02-14T00:58:15 < kakimir> roast me brah
2016-02-14T00:59:19 < kakimir> life is weird
2016-02-14T00:59:41 < kakimir> Im not really sure if I'm interested in what I'm doing
2016-02-14T01:00:15 < kakimir> there is doubt I should be actually completelly somebody else
2016-02-14T01:00:45 < kakimir> -> rich bitch
2016-02-14T01:01:26 < Tectu> you are weird.
2016-02-14T01:03:05 < Steffanx> Whats new?
2016-02-14T01:03:43 < kakimir> when I was a kid I was sure when I grew up I would have doplhins in my living room and pathway straight to botanic garden in next room
2016-02-14T01:04:03 < kakimir> mega rich bitch rite?
2016-02-14T01:06:08 < kakimir> I was great at assburgering
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2016-02-14T01:10:21 < Laurenceb_> http://40.media.tumblr.com/ae0306d77afa07f9c1149c037f666a96/tumblr_n1mscs7QfN1smmqyyo1_1280.jpg
2016-02-14T01:11:28 < Steffanx> looks like harry.
2016-02-14T01:11:34 < Tectu> kakimir, how old are you?
2016-02-14T01:12:05 < kakimir> 25
2016-02-14T01:12:16 < kakimir> wait.. yes
2016-02-14T01:12:17 < Tectu> good, now I don´t feel bad
2016-02-14T01:12:43 < Laurenceb_> lol I'm prob the oldest in here :D
2016-02-14T01:12:52 < kakimir> some day I forget to keep count
2016-02-14T01:12:55 < mitrax> nope :p
2016-02-14T01:13:16 < Tectu> kakimir, I know that
2016-02-14T01:13:31 < Tectu> kakimir, it´s not like it matters a lot after you reached level 20
2016-02-14T01:13:38 < kakimir> hah
2016-02-14T01:13:47 < kakimir> I saw photo of me when I was 19
2016-02-14T01:13:48 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_ you are also < 30 so no.
2016-02-14T01:13:49 < kakimir> or so
2016-02-14T01:14:11 < kakimir> such unformed babyface
2016-02-14T01:14:31 < Steffanx> and not much changed since then?
2016-02-14T01:14:35 < kakimir> no
2016-02-14T01:14:42 < kakimir> now I look like absolute rapist
2016-02-14T01:14:56 < mitrax> kakimir: can we see a picture?
2016-02-14T01:15:00 < Steffanx> bearrdman
2016-02-14T01:15:10 < kakimir> masculine murderer face and lot of beard and no hair too much
2016-02-14T01:15:27 < Laurenceb_> wait Staffanx knows that due to absence of wizardchan account?
2016-02-14T01:15:31 < mitrax> kakimir: just curious, it's always nice to put a face on a nickname
2016-02-14T01:15:52 < Steffanx> i know that because ive been around here in ##stm32 for quite some time no Laurenceb_
2016-02-14T01:16:01 < kakimir> there is no pictures of me
2016-02-14T01:16:02 < Steffanx> *now
2016-02-14T01:16:07 < kakimir> lately
2016-02-14T01:16:20 < mitrax> kakimir: an old one then
2016-02-14T01:16:22 < Steffanx> Also learn to tab-complete my nick Laurenceb_
2016-02-14T01:16:43 < Tectu> kakimir, show me (query if necessary)
2016-02-14T01:17:14 < Laurenceb_> there used to be no photos of me on the nets.. then I went to a livestreamed conference :-/
2016-02-14T01:17:22 < Laurenceb_> now I get trolld all the time
2016-02-14T01:17:24 < mitrax> the rocket thing? :)
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2016-02-14T01:17:38 < Steffanx> lies Laurenceb_
2016-02-14T01:17:48 < Steffanx> there was a photo/video from you on the web
2016-02-14T01:18:15 < Steffanx> you as a youngster ballon fanatic
2016-02-14T01:18:18 < Tectu> Laurenceb_, the rocket thing? I remember that too
2016-02-14T01:18:26 < Steffanx> altough it was a not so clear video
2016-02-14T01:18:33 < Tectu> here are some pictures of steffan:  brazzers.com
2016-02-14T01:18:45 < Tectu> (nsfw, in case of that´s not obvious)
2016-02-14T01:19:14 < Laurenceb_> wut
2016-02-14T01:20:15 < Steffanx> mature Tectu, very mature.
2016-02-14T01:20:24 < Tectu> yeah, I already feel bad.
2016-02-14T01:21:00 < kakimir> I don't believe tectu is more than 20years
2016-02-14T01:21:09 < kakimir> barely 20 if anything
2016-02-14T01:21:21 < Tectu> you are so right.
2016-02-14T01:21:34 < Tectu> 22 in a couple of months
2016-02-14T01:21:44 < mitrax> kakimir: picture!
2016-02-14T01:22:10 < kakimir> some day
2016-02-14T01:22:17 < mitrax> pffft
2016-02-14T01:28:36 < kakimir> jesus
2016-02-14T01:28:47 < kakimir> selfies are hard and fun
2016-02-14T01:29:05 < Laurenceb_> https://i.imgur.com/nRh68xs.png
2016-02-14T01:29:06 < Steffanx> no and no?
2016-02-14T01:30:15 < kakimir> my beard is too offencive to be shown
2016-02-14T01:32:17 < Steffanx> very unlikely
2016-02-14T01:32:57 < kakimir> I dont want to be on 8ch
2016-02-14T01:32:59 < Steffanx> its a room full of men ( or mainly boys )
2016-02-14T01:36:12 < Steffanx> good point kakimir
2016-02-14T01:44:21 < englishman> wtf
2016-02-14T01:44:22 < englishman> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bullet/bullet-worlds-smallest-led-flashlight?ref=category_popular
2016-02-14T01:44:24 < englishman> $300k
2016-02-14T01:44:30 < englishman> for a cell batt and 5mm led
2016-02-14T01:46:07 < kakimir> that must have something to do with that freelancer thing
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2016-02-14T01:46:26 < englishman> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/eblocker/the-first-plug-and-play-privacy-solution-for-all-y
2016-02-14T01:46:27 < englishman> haha
2016-02-14T01:46:32 < englishman> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/005/190/946/c8f434bb342db2c4ef04ba47b60b050f_original.jpg?v=1452777300&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&q=92&s=cb9ccd21179973accadffd7e6b648be8
2016-02-14T01:46:48 < englishman> 130eur for a banana pi
2016-02-14T01:47:38 < englishman> how does that even work with one rj45
2016-02-14T01:47:43 < kakimir> is adblock any good anymore
2016-02-14T01:47:54 < kakimir> have they overriden it?
2016-02-14T01:48:05 < englishman> no wait
2016-02-14T01:48:12 < englishman> 400eur for a banaana pi
2016-02-14T01:48:14 < englishman> fuck
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2016-02-14T02:15:53 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/pnynh2u
2016-02-14T02:21:00 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/ObedientUnderstatedGrayreefshark
2016-02-14T02:28:08 < Laurenceb_> kakimir waifu
2016-02-14T02:47:46 < kakimir> oh
2016-02-14T02:47:57 < kakimir> japs are making waifu for me
2016-02-14T02:48:22 < kakimir> better make some sensual programming to it
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2016-02-14T02:57:50 < Laurenceb_> For the travelling executive in need of intimacy or the long-distance couple seeking to let off steam, relief will be found in hi-tech goo. With a few judicious squirts of a bio-gel containing billions of nanobots and a wi-fi connection, mutual orgasm is reached via a layer of shape-shifting ectoplasm.
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2016-02-14T03:21:45 < kakimir> let off steam thru technowaifu?
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2016-02-14T03:24:59 < Laurenceb_> some epic lulz here http://hiddenfromgoogle.afaqtariq.com/
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2016-02-14T04:10:12 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-02-14T04:27:08 < dongs> cool
2016-02-14T04:29:08 < dongs> no new altidong release in almost 2 months
2016-02-14T04:35:35 < ds2> sigh.. Newark is getting annoying
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2016-02-14T04:38:40 < dongs> gonna install allegro garbage in VM
2016-02-14T04:38:45 < dongs> have more trash to convert to ascii
2016-02-14T04:38:53 < dongs> fucking aids
2016-02-14T04:39:42 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/fwG1BCM.jpg
2016-02-14T04:40:57 < dongs> looks like unfunny american activity
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2016-02-14T04:42:50 < ds2> Mmmmmm allegro $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
2016-02-14T04:45:10 < dongs> fuck why is there liek 20 orcad layout variations
2016-02-14T04:45:59 < upgrdman> anyone know of a super super small pc case (guessing mini itx) that fits a video card?
2016-02-14T04:46:52 < dongs> upgrdman: full-size dualslot gpu?
2016-02-14T04:46:57 < upgrdman> ya
2016-02-14T04:47:57 < dongs> http://www.silverstonetek.com/raven/products/index.php?model=RVZ01 googles says this
2016-02-14T04:48:32 < dongs> or http://www.corsair.com/en-us/carbide-series-air-240-high-airflow-micro-atx-and-mini-itx-pc-case
2016-02-14T04:48:35 < dongs> etc
2016-02-14T04:49:22 < dongs> http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1799326 one-off pro
2016-02-14T04:49:26 < dongs> needs a pcie riser
2016-02-14T04:50:17 < dongs> oh, looks like its actually for sale
2016-02-14T04:50:32 < Sync> not too shitty
2016-02-14T04:50:57 < dongs> or not
2016-02-14T04:51:03 < dongs> subscribe to find when you can buy
2016-02-14T04:51:06 < dongs> fucking dickstarter scam
2016-02-14T04:51:22 < Sync> kek
2016-02-14T04:51:54 < Sync> the corsair is fucking useless because it has a window
2016-02-14T04:59:53 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/CqAzrvZ
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2016-02-14T05:01:50 < dongs> lol orcad installer wants to reboot PC
2016-02-14T05:01:53 < dongs> what hte fuck is this 1996
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2016-02-14T05:10:55 < dongs> orcad installer is fucking awful
2016-02-14T05:11:09 < dongs> R2COM: how the fuck can you use this shit
2016-02-14T05:11:11 < dongs> its retarded
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2016-02-14T05:22:23 < dongs> haha latest orcad capture has build date of fuckign 2012
2016-02-14T05:22:28 < dongs> awful aids
2016-02-14T05:24:10 < Sync> it is so pro they can't develop it anymore
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2016-02-14T05:27:36 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-14T05:28:18 < dongs> k now i just need to read instructions how to fucking export this ascii shit and I never have to touch it again
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2016-02-14T05:29:51 < dongs> lol
2016-02-14T05:29:54 < dongs> just froze it zooming in/out of pcb
2016-02-14T05:35:55 < dongs> k success
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2016-02-14T06:27:48 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Microcontroller-Embedded-Programming/
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2016-02-14T06:32:07 < englishman> 26 bids
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2016-02-14T06:38:54 < dongs> race to teh bottom
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2016-02-14T08:23:22 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRWrmT0ovPE
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2016-02-14T10:13:17 < dongs> ReadError: https://youtu.be/uzm2WzbCzcQ this ad
2016-02-14T10:13:48 < dongs> fucking R2 ragequit
2016-02-14T10:13:53 < dongs> i was gonna tell him how fucking awful orcad is
2016-02-14T10:14:02 < dongs> it installs like 30 icons in start menu lol
2016-02-14T10:28:48 < ReadError> > This video is unlisted. Be considerate and think twice before sharing.
2016-02-14T10:28:55 < ReadError> > has almost 1million views
2016-02-14T10:31:51 < jadew> what do you guys use to display big schematics?
2016-02-14T10:32:25 < jadew> I'm not sure if I should get an A2 printer, a projector or a big ass display
2016-02-14T10:32:57 < jadew> all options are pricey if you want resonable quality
2016-02-14T10:37:45 < dongs> i display them on my 24" 4K
2016-02-14T10:38:32 < jadew> I suppose higher resolution helps here
2016-02-14T10:38:44 < dongs> ReadError: i just clicked like on it, the FIRST like
2016-02-14T10:38:44 < dongs> lol
2016-02-14T10:38:57 < dongs> i wait
2016-02-14T10:39:00 < dongs> its just youtube japan channel
2016-02-14T10:39:00 < dongs> useless.
2016-02-14T10:41:46 < ReadError> that chinese youtube clone is fucking useless
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2016-02-14T10:41:59 < ReadError> most the vids dont even load
2016-02-14T10:42:20 < dongs> yeah fuck it
2016-02-14T10:42:25 < dongs> youku or whatever
2016-02-14T10:42:28 < ReadError> yea
2016-02-14T10:42:34 < dongs> it takes 5 minutes to cache shit and hten it doenst work
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2016-02-14T13:26:39 < ReadError> TIL...
2016-02-14T13:26:41 < ReadError> 	for (int i = 0; i < 4; i++)
2016-02-14T13:26:41 < ReadError> 		some_macro;
2016-02-14T13:26:44 < ReadError> doesnt work
2016-02-14T13:27:03 < pid> is this macro "single lined"?
2016-02-14T13:27:10 < ReadError> nah
2016-02-14T13:27:20 < ReadError> it just didnt click until i had issues
2016-02-14T13:27:21 < pid> so… {} maybe?
2016-02-14T13:27:27 < ReadError> then realized it was only running the first line
2016-02-14T13:27:32 < pid> :P
2016-02-14T13:28:09 < ReadError> makes sense though
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2016-02-14T15:56:59 < zyp> 11:48:18 < dongs> zyp, for the boards where you used 2x13 headers
2016-02-14T15:56:59 < zyp> 11:48:30 < dongs> the male part was just a regular through-hole header?
2016-02-14T15:56:59 < zyp> 11:48:38 < dongs> or was it smt
2016-02-14T15:57:05 < zyp> hmm, which boards?
2016-02-14T15:57:57 < zyp> oh, the ones I did two years ago, that also had those 2x25 bottom entry stuff?
2016-02-14T15:58:03 < zyp> they had male 2x13 smt
2016-02-14T16:00:44 < zyp> I originally prototyped with pth, then I changed to smt for the ones you assembled
2016-02-14T16:13:52 < dongs> yeah but the shits you got had boss pins or rwhaever for align
2016-02-14T16:13:58 < dongs> doesnt that mean the matingside had to be accurateA?
2016-02-14T16:14:44 < dongs> its 2x13 female header
2016-02-14T16:20:33 < zyp> ah, that
2016-02-14T16:20:39 < zyp> probably pth
2016-02-14T16:21:34 < zyp> mating side for my board were a customer board
2016-02-14T16:22:10 < zyp> originally designed for two ribbon cables
2016-02-14T16:22:24 < zyp> so I just measured the distance between the two connectors and used that for my design
2016-02-14T16:22:57 < zyp> hmm, I think I got design drawings from the customer
2016-02-14T16:24:02 < dongs> ya iwas just curious on the mating end is all. i was gonna use them for an oddproj since I've got a whole shitload left but I only need liek 4 pins
2016-02-14T16:24:06 < dongs> so its kinda overkill
2016-02-14T16:27:40 < zyp> well, yeah :p
2016-02-14T16:32:08 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/189332819/ordering-web-page-for-small-fast-food-businesses found jadew secretproj
2016-02-14T16:34:28 < dongs> k time to sleep
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2016-02-14T16:51:30 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3PZEtpCTLE wow how did I miss this jewish invention
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2016-02-14T19:06:36 < jadew> dongs, funny
2016-02-14T19:07:30 < jadew> the company I work for actually owns a brand that does that and it's not very profitable
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2016-02-14T19:08:30 < jadew> (in a much bigger and richer country than Romania)
2016-02-14T19:14:30 < englishman> it is strongly recommended to use a timebase source other than the systick when freertos is used.
2016-02-14T19:14:33 < englishman> why's that?
2016-02-14T19:19:40 < kakimir> sup sexuals
2016-02-14T19:24:23 < PaulFertser> englishman: is that in their official docs?
2016-02-14T19:25:22 < englishman> i got that from timecube, looking thru docs now for more info (at typical st.com 15kbps speeds)
2016-02-14T19:26:20 < englishman> yeah its in UM1718
2016-02-14T19:26:55 < englishman> Using the SysTick remains acceptable if the application respects the HAL programming
2016-02-14T19:26:55 < englishman> model, that is, does not perform any call to HAL timebase services within an Interrupt
2016-02-14T19:26:55 < englishman> Service Request context (no dead lock issue).
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2016-02-14T19:44:03 < Steffanx> bigger jadew? Isn't romania pretty large?
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2016-02-14T19:49:29 < jadew> Steffanx, it's average for EU
2016-02-14T19:50:30 < Steffanx> large compared to duthcland
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2016-02-14T19:52:10 < Getty> ok distributor suggested 5 EUR license, i said i wanted 10 EUR and suggested 8 EUR ;)
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2016-02-14T20:46:43 < MightyPork> sup, anyone know some page where I can look up Chip ID for a part name?
2016-02-14T20:47:11 < MightyPork> (getting number from st-info and trying to check if it's right)
2016-02-14T20:47:24 < zyp> check the relevant RM for the part in question
2016-02-14T20:47:38 < zyp> there's a section on chip id in it
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2016-02-14T20:49:38 < MightyPork> okay cool looks OK
2016-02-14T20:50:13 < MightyPork> trying to bring my PCB to life with the external connector on a nucleo..
2016-02-14T20:51:33 < MightyPork> what's the correct procedure for turning on boards when debugging w/ SWD? first target, then programmer? or doesnt matter
2016-02-14T20:51:39 < MightyPork> dont want to blow something up
2016-02-14T20:51:57 < mitrax> programmer first
2016-02-14T20:52:19 < MightyPork> ok thx
2016-02-14T20:53:29 < mitrax> or well, sometimes if you plug the programmer first and if it's unpowered NRST is pulled low, doesn't really matter but then it will reset the board when you plug it
2016-02-14T20:54:50 < MightyPork> resetting isn't really a concern, just being careful .. I've heard some chips don't like voltage on pins when unpowered
2016-02-14T20:55:28 < zyp> it's no big deal
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2016-02-14T21:48:25 < upgrdman> just replace my kitchen cabinet hinges with some soft-closing ones... so awesome. not sure why, but fuck, this is nice.
2016-02-14T21:48:27  * Laurenceb_ is raging
2016-02-14T21:48:35 < Laurenceb_> SP1ML is closed source
2016-02-14T21:48:54 < Laurenceb_> and I want to use the GPIO, which isnt supported "yet"
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2016-02-14T22:01:51 < Rob235> I need a movie/show to watch...
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2016-02-14T22:10:37 < Steffanx> Time to write new firmware fr it Laurenceb_?
2016-02-14T22:10:45 < Steffanx> or is the spirit1 one also "closed"
2016-02-14T22:11:02 < Laurenceb_> no but writing AT commands is a pita
2016-02-14T22:11:16 < Laurenceb_> I want wireless firmware update
2016-02-14T22:12:11 < Laurenceb_> which needs to have some GPIO accessible
2016-02-14T22:12:57 < Laurenceb_> maybe it'd be simpler to load a custom bootloader
2016-02-14T22:13:13 < Laurenceb_> other option might be to hack the ST firmware
2016-02-14T22:13:54 < Laurenceb_> but I can't find a schematic for the SP1ML, so that'd also be a pita
2016-02-14T22:15:34 < Steffanx> reverse engineer time :)
2016-02-14T22:15:39 < Steffanx> Time to use your brains
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2016-02-14T22:16:54 < Steffanx> whats the plan? long range communication
2016-02-14T22:16:54 < Steffanx> ?
2016-02-14T22:17:45 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-02-14T22:17:58 < Laurenceb_> I need about 10km for horse stuff
2016-02-14T22:18:16 < Laurenceb_> for live ECG and stuff during long distance races
2016-02-14T22:19:25 < Laurenceb_> ECG, respiration, IMU based attitude, GPS position, and temperature for each horse
2016-02-14T22:19:39 < upgrdman> butt temp?
2016-02-14T22:19:52 < Laurenceb_> lol ear
2016-02-14T22:19:59 < upgrdman> bummer
2016-02-14T22:20:03 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-02-14T22:20:14 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should just go with USB DFU
2016-02-14T22:20:27 < Laurenceb_> not wireless but doesnt need the case opening
2016-02-14T22:20:44 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_ is going to bring technology into horse racing?
2016-02-14T22:21:05 < Laurenceb_> yup, live horse health stats, formula 1 style
2016-02-14T22:21:19 < Steffanx> Hehe, we need an app.
2016-02-14T22:22:03 < Laurenceb_> obviously I'll add an automated euthanasia system combined with ejector saddle
2016-02-14T22:24:00 < Sync> Laurenceb_: gsm or tetra
2016-02-14T22:25:28 < Laurenceb_> thats an interesting idea
2016-02-14T22:25:39 < Laurenceb_> but theres about 30kbps of data from each saddle
2016-02-14T22:26:26 < Laurenceb_> its only meant to handle a few riders at a time so there is enough capacity in a few 868mhz channels
2016-02-14T22:27:10 < Steffanx> Are there some restrictive rules on that freq band?
2016-02-14T22:27:14 < Steffanx> *aren't
2016-02-14T22:27:28 < Laurenceb_> only if you want to use 500mW aiui
2016-02-14T22:27:32 < Sync> ye tetra is gonna suck for 30kbps
2016-02-14T22:27:33 < Steffanx> Or are you going to totally license to get around that.
2016-02-14T22:27:43 < Sync> gsm is probably the cheapest
2016-02-14T22:27:47 < Laurenceb_> no ISM, at least for the basic system
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2016-02-14T22:27:56 < Laurenceb_> but yeah might us GSM later
2016-02-14T22:27:59 < Sync> I mean, gprs is fast enough and M2M sims are cheap as balls
2016-02-14T22:28:11 < Laurenceb_> I never understood gprs data mode
2016-02-14T22:28:13 < upgrdman> m2m?
2016-02-14T22:28:22 < Sync> machine two machine
2016-02-14T22:28:33 < Laurenceb_> is it possible to set up a data call and just have transparent AT modem ?
2016-02-14T22:28:45 < upgrdman> Sync, so no need for cell tower? so no monthly or usage fee?
2016-02-14T22:28:46 < Sync> depends on your modem but yes
2016-02-14T22:28:50 < Laurenceb_> I always gives error when I try it with two phones lol
2016-02-14T22:28:54 < Sync> wat, no upgrdman
2016-02-14T22:29:00 < Sync> but you don't call someone
2016-02-14T22:29:02 < Laurenceb_> because I dont have m2m sims?
2016-02-14T22:29:04 < Sync> but transmit data shiets
2016-02-14T22:29:07 < Sync> nah
2016-02-14T22:29:09 < upgrdman> o
2016-02-14T22:29:20 < Sync> it does not matter Laurenceb_
2016-02-14T22:29:25 < Sync> they are just priced differently
2016-02-14T22:29:33 < Laurenceb_> I'm confused
2016-02-14T22:29:42 < Sync> some cannot call out
2016-02-14T22:29:44 < Sync> some can
2016-02-14T22:29:47 < Sync> depends on your carrier
2016-02-14T22:29:48 < Laurenceb_> should I be able to get transparent modem between two phones?
2016-02-14T22:29:54 < Sync> more or less, yes
2016-02-14T22:30:07 < Laurenceb_> its there is AT command spec, but always gives me an error
2016-02-14T22:30:09 < Laurenceb_> *in
2016-02-14T22:30:20 < Sync> maybe you have shit phones
2016-02-14T22:30:56 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-02-14T22:31:17 < Laurenceb_> do you go direct or through some kind of "message center" like with sms  ?
2016-02-14T22:32:11 < Sync> the stuff I developed at work accepts a serial connection at place A and it comes out a place B a little later
2016-02-14T22:32:40 < Laurenceb_> nice, sounds perfect for horse telemetry
2016-02-14T22:33:05 < Laurenceb_> but I'll probably still stick with spirit1 for initial version
2016-02-14T22:33:07 < Sync> yes, we telemeter lots of shit with it
2016-02-14T22:33:09 < Sync> well
2016-02-14T22:33:12 < Sync> why?
2016-02-14T22:33:17 < Sync> more NREs
2016-02-14T22:33:55 < Laurenceb_> no sim to worry about, and simple off the shelf usb dongle thats easy to code for
2016-02-14T22:34:14 < Laurenceb_> labview n00bs are writing the GUI
2016-02-14T22:34:20 < Sync> it is a bit more involved in my case as the clients wants their data encrypted and shit
2016-02-14T22:34:25 < Laurenceb_> ah
2016-02-14T22:34:29 < Sync> so basically there is a raspi in there, doing yolovpn
2016-02-14T22:34:35 < Sync> and shitting out serial
2016-02-14T22:34:56 < Sync> protip: don't even think about using DMR
2016-02-14T22:35:07 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-02-14T22:35:20 < Sync> unless you get by with ~200bit per s
2016-02-14T22:35:31 < BrainDamage> just write a HLN ( horse local network ) that collects data and have an antenna that sticks half in his ass that relays the bundled data
2016-02-14T22:35:49 < upgrdman> lol
2016-02-14T22:35:50 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-02-14T22:35:58 < upgrdman> yagi in the anus
2016-02-14T22:36:09 < Sync> I could probably sell you that stuff for bro price
2016-02-14T22:36:45 < Laurenceb_> thats alright, we have silly budget
2016-02-14T22:37:05 < Sync> I figured, as it is hoers racing
2016-02-14T22:37:19 < Laurenceb_> horse federation guys want to avoid horses dropping dead during races, its kind of embarrassing on live tv
2016-02-14T22:37:26 < Sync> kek
2016-02-14T22:38:03 < Sync> hm, do you really need 30kbps? or can you compress the data with some clever stuff?
2016-02-14T22:39:12 < Laurenceb_> maybe, but we need a prototype delivered in 12days
2016-02-14T22:39:47 < Sync> kek
2016-02-14T22:39:54 < Sync> ok, that's tight
2016-02-14T22:39:54 < Laurenceb_> so its going to be copypasta + labview
2016-02-14T22:40:30 < Sync> ye
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2016-02-14T22:41:02 < Laurenceb_> recycle existing code and drag and drop a nasty mess together in labview :D
2016-02-14T22:41:04 < Laurenceb_> easy
2016-02-14T22:46:15 < Laurenceb_> we will probably compress to ~0.25Hz BPM, Resp rate, velocity, heading in final version
2016-02-14T22:52:39 < Sync> so like 10bit/s
2016-02-14T22:53:11 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: transparent data communication between GSM clients is called "CSD" and needs to be enabled by operator. It's usually relatively low bandwidth though.
2016-02-14T22:53:34 < Laurenceb_> ah that explains my issues
2016-02-14T22:54:54 < Sync> do the riders have comms with them anyways?
2016-02-14T22:55:22 < Laurenceb_> I think so.. above my pay grade lol
2016-02-14T22:55:41 < Sync> well then it would be sensible to integrate it there
2016-02-14T22:55:46 < Sync> because 10bit/s is ez
2016-02-14T22:56:00 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: another option would be to use a GSM/UMTS module with integrated TCP/IP stack so you just use special commands to establing a regular TCP connection to some internet host you control, that way doesn't require anything special.
2016-02-14T22:56:08 < Laurenceb_> ah yeah
2016-02-14T22:57:15 < PaulFertser> Or just stm32 with lwIP as it has a PPP implementation that can work nicely via serial line to any cheap GSM/UMTS module..
2016-02-14T22:58:34 < Laurenceb_> wouldn't that require data communication ?
2016-02-14T22:58:57 < PaulFertser> Just regular GPRS/EDGE/whatever it's in UMTS.
2016-02-14T22:59:01 < Laurenceb_> or would it be TCP/IP to a host operated by the service provider?
2016-02-14T22:59:52 < PaulFertser> This lwip option is the same as tcp/ip integrated in gsm module, you need to have some internet server which would accept tcp connections and act accordingly.
2016-02-14T23:00:16 < Laurenceb_> oh
2016-02-14T23:00:51 < PaulFertser> Just that you are not tied to a specific expensive module and can use whatever as you implement tcp/ip on your target yourself.
2016-02-14T23:00:51 < Laurenceb_> so micro <-> serial <-> gsm module <-> network <-> internets <-> my server  ?
2016-02-14T23:00:56 < PaulFertser> Yep
2016-02-14T23:01:06 < Laurenceb_> I get it
2016-02-14T23:01:24 < Sync> that's basically what I do
2016-02-14T23:01:27 < Sync> just with an assberry
2016-02-14T23:02:22 < PaulFertser> Probably that's better than CSD as you can have multiple concurrent connections to your server without any additional hardware.
2016-02-14T23:05:26 < PaulFertser> OTOH you'll have to count on those assholes that run the cellular network. Not sure if that would be more reliable than rolling your own radio equipment.
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2016-02-14T23:14:02 < englishman> Laurenceb_: in what kinda horse races do the horses go 10km from a base station?
2016-02-14T23:14:44 < Laurenceb_> cross country stuff
2016-02-14T23:14:51 < englishman> neato
2016-02-14T23:14:55 < gxti> rally horse racing
2016-02-14T23:15:01 < englishman> flat over crest
2016-02-14T23:15:11 < englishman> with a 2nd little jockey navigating
2016-02-14T23:15:14 < gxti> two riders, one holds the reins and one reads the map facing backwards
2016-02-14T23:15:20 < englishman> lol
2016-02-14T23:23:55 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/b/src/1455426981269.webm
2016-02-14T23:24:37 < kakimir> :D
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2016-02-14T23:28:30 < kakimir> do I need flyback with pc 4-wire fan?
2016-02-14T23:28:53 < kakimir> if I switch 12volt rail to turn it totally off
2016-02-14T23:29:46 < kakimir> I have strong feeling fan has all the things in it
2016-02-14T23:29:49 < kakimir> but
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2016-02-14T23:38:22 < MightyPork> pretty sure it's builtin, the motors are stepper, not DC. so to protect the driver
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2016-02-14T23:38:55 < MightyPork> ok maybe not exactly stepper but more like bldc I guess
2016-02-14T23:39:33 < kakimir> there is some brigde or so
2016-02-14T23:39:35 < kakimir> or many
2016-02-14T23:58:23 < kakimir> http://overunity.com/9428/quad-coil-fan-stator-usable/dlattach/attach/46163/image// are those fans even today like this
2016-02-14T23:58:56 < kakimir> optimized for price?
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2016-02-15T00:01:01 < kakimir> actually driven like stepper
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2016-02-15T00:09:20 < Laurenceb_> overunity.com ...
2016-02-15T00:11:22 < crt> no
2016-02-15T00:11:25 < crt> NO NO NO NO
2016-02-15T00:11:31  * crt smashes head against brickwall
2016-02-15T00:14:32 < ambro718> I'm getting a FIFO error from the DMA when writing data to SDIO, what could this mean?
2016-02-15T00:15:19 < crt> buffer issue
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2016-02-15T00:24:08 < ambro718> some forum posts suggest I should ignore the FIFO error...
2016-02-15T00:25:32 < crt> what does clive say?
2016-02-15T00:26:13 < ambro718> I only have an issue when I call HAL_DMA_PollForTransfer while waiting for SDIO_FLAG_DATAEND, and not if I just wait for SDIO_FLAG_DATAEND then do HAL_DMA_PollForTransfer (I see the code does not check the errors in that case seeing DMA is already complete).
2016-02-15T00:26:18 < ambro718> what/who is clive?
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2016-02-15T00:28:50 < karlp> ambro718: clive is the one you listen to on the forums
2016-02-15T00:30:53 < ambro718> "One other observation I might make is that the DMA TX (write) operation completes long before the SDIO TX FIFO (on the peripheral) clears to the card. It's important to wait for that to clear before proceeding."
2016-02-15T00:31:04 < ambro718> https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/cortex_mx_stm32/Flat.aspx?RootFolder=https%3a%2f%2fmy%2est%2ecom%2fpublic%2fSTe2ecommunities%2fmcu%2fLists%2fcortex_mx_stm32%2fSDIO%2bDMA%20FIFO%20Error%20%28TX%20Underrun%29%20F4%20STM32F417ZGT6&FolderCTID=0x01200200770978C69A1141439FE559EB459D7580009C4E14902C3CDE46A77F0FFD06506F5B&currentviews=1857#{1A9EEA8E-B404-4485-A4AE-BBCFBD586BAC}
2016-02-15T00:31:30 < ambro718> I want to check for DMA completion all the time because I will be transferring multiple buffers
2016-02-15T00:31:56 < ambro718> once one DMA transfer complete, I will start another one, for the same SD write-multiple-blocks command
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2016-02-15T00:37:28 < Laurenceb_> haha st forums clive
2016-02-15T00:37:33 < Laurenceb_> he must live on there
2016-02-15T00:38:15 < Laurenceb_> ST should pay him
2016-02-15T00:38:25 < Sync> he was on some podcast
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2016-02-15T00:47:40 < Laurenceb_> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/02/14/1742240/samsung-warns-customers-to-think-twice-about-what-they-say-near-smart-tvs
2016-02-15T00:47:42 < Laurenceb_> lorf
2016-02-15T00:52:32 < kakimir> why would have smart tv
2016-02-15T00:54:26 < kakimir> I don't even have tv
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2016-02-15T00:58:57 < ReadError> ya clive's podcast
2016-02-15T00:59:09 < ReadError> > timecube is dumb
2016-02-15T00:59:20 < ReadError> > st cant run a forum to save their lives
2016-02-15T00:59:34 < ReadError> > st staff dont do shit because hes around
2016-02-15T00:59:44 < crt> sup holmes
2016-02-15T01:09:48 < Getty> i heard atxmega is awesome alternative! ;)
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2016-02-15T02:23:00 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/svDQJx2
2016-02-15T02:27:27 < upgrdman> anyone know why 32.768kHz is used for RTCs? i mean, sure a power of 2 is nice, but why 32768?
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2016-02-15T02:33:47 < kakimir> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/177844/why-do-we-use-32-768-khz-crystals-in-most-circuits
2016-02-15T02:34:08 < kakimir> cost
2016-02-15T02:36:15 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: lower frequency is lower power
2016-02-15T02:36:23 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: lol recursive argument
2016-02-15T02:36:42 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, sure, but why not 16.384kHz?
2016-02-15T02:36:44 < Laurenceb_> 32.768 is cheap as 32.768 is used
2016-02-15T02:36:48 < Laurenceb_> yo dawg
2016-02-15T02:37:08 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: larger and heavier crystal needed I guess
2016-02-15T02:37:21 < upgrdman> so its the lowest power of two that is cheap?
2016-02-15T02:37:21 < Laurenceb_> 32.768 was "optimal"
2016-02-15T02:37:32 < upgrdman> k
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2016-02-15T02:37:47 < Laurenceb_> hmm dunno how much cost came into it, thats a recursive argument at this point
2016-02-15T02:37:54 < Laurenceb_> you want lowest frequency possible
2016-02-15T02:38:05 < Laurenceb_> but the crystal gets larger and heavier
2016-02-15T02:38:12 < crt> will 16.384 make an audible noise?
2016-02-15T02:38:19 < Laurenceb_> yeah maybe that too
2016-02-15T02:38:37 < Laurenceb_> it was all "standardised" in the 70s with the watch industry
2016-02-15T02:38:55 < Laurenceb_> so at that point whatever would fit in the cans used in watches was going to take off
2016-02-15T02:39:20 < Laurenceb_> from that point on the economics of other stuff would make it uncompetitive
2016-02-15T02:44:27 < Laurenceb_> http://www.tedss.com/2039000049
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2016-02-15T03:35:08 < upgrdman> it just keeps getting better.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paSLZEbGX1w
2016-02-15T03:38:32 < kakimir> so if you want to reinvent the wheel in 2016
2016-02-15T03:38:41 < kakimir> what would be the frequency?
2016-02-15T03:38:57 < upgrdman> 1hz
2016-02-15T03:39:10 < upgrdman> xtal the size of your fist
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2016-02-15T03:46:05 < kakimir> it wouldn't be utilized
2016-02-15T03:46:43 < kakimir> I think.. it would stay at 32.768
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2016-02-15T06:19:41 < dongs> ok this is getting a bit annoying now
2016-02-15T06:19:54 < dongs> updating sch->pcb in altidong the designators end up on bottom silk
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2016-02-15T06:20:07 < dongs> i thought it was just some trashy board I made last time and bugged something but its doing it again on a new one
2016-02-15T06:21:15 < emeb_mac> pro software
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2016-02-15T06:28:27 < dongs> 7eah i duno wtf
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2016-02-15T06:32:19 < ds2> eagle doesn't do that :P
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2016-02-15T06:49:36 < dongs> eagle doesnt do much
2016-02-15T06:49:37 < dongs> at all
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2016-02-15T07:06:49 < dongs> fucking useless newark
2016-02-15T07:06:56 < dongs> after paying $100 for shipping, the fucking trahs is "stuck in customs"
2016-02-15T07:07:03 < dongs> because apparently they didnt include any invoices or anything with the fucking package
2016-02-15T07:07:06 < dongs> useless fucking newbs
2016-02-15T07:07:21 < dongs> im gonna email and bitch them the fuck out
2016-02-15T07:07:24 < dongs> and request shipping refund
2016-02-15T07:09:05 < dongs> emailed.
2016-02-15T07:09:10 < dongs> these cunts better refund asap
2016-02-15T07:14:36 < emeb_mac> newark - meh.
2016-02-15T07:14:48 < emeb_mac> always charges too much for shipping.
2016-02-15T07:14:51 < dongs> no, just fuck them hard
2016-02-15T07:14:51 < dongs> yes
2016-02-15T07:15:00 < dongs> i'd rather design that part out and use a replacement
2016-02-15T07:15:02 < dongs> than ever order form them again
2016-02-15T07:15:04 < dongs> fucking kikes
2016-02-15T07:19:03 < dongs> for how much they charged for shipping I'd have expected the shit to ship DDP so trhere would be zero customs faggotry involved
2016-02-15T07:29:20 < englishman> but they are #1 rageberrypi retailer
2016-02-15T07:49:29 < ds2> newark is spiraling down the drain
2016-02-15T07:49:47 < ds2> they have also resorted to "follow up" spam to promote their services
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2016-02-15T08:01:34 < LA3PNA> real pros forge components out of sand...
2016-02-15T08:01:43 < LA3PNA> :p
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2016-02-15T08:16:52 < dongs> https://github.com/e14n/pump.io/issues/1142#issuecomment-184014794
2016-02-15T08:23:16 < englishman> is pump.io different from pump.in?
2016-02-15T08:25:07 < dongs> lewl
2016-02-15T08:25:15 < dongs> thats exactly what i asked in teh channel where it was originaly lpasted
2016-02-15T08:26:18 < englishman> After reading wiki page for pump.io, I still have no idea what it is
2016-02-15T08:31:02 < dongs> its like private faecesbook/corp twatter
2016-02-15T08:31:33 < dongs> for when youn need such athingf
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2016-02-15T09:00:10 < upgrdman_> are there any cheap camera modules that are stupid easy to read images from? i just want like 1fps.
2016-02-15T09:00:30 < upgrdman_> hopefully powerable by 3v3 and comm with spi or i2c?
2016-02-15T09:00:36 < jpa-> arducam!
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2016-02-15T09:02:11 < jpa-> i've sometimes wondered about using those cheap $4 keychain cameras which save JPG to SD card.. one could just disconnect the camera and connect to SD card directly to read them out
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2016-02-15T09:17:28 < dongs> upgrdman_: zanocam and FSMC isnt so hard
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2016-02-15T09:18:32 < upgrdman_> ya im thinking about making a mini security system. was hoping to do some ghetto shit like a ras pi + 4 spi cameras. maybe it'd be easier to just use some cheap ass usb webcams
2016-02-15T09:19:05 < jpa-> or just cheap wifi cams?
2016-02-15T09:19:30 < upgrdman_> its been years, but i tried some ethernet cameras like 10 years ago... and they all sucked ass.
2016-02-15T09:19:33 < dongs> oh fucksake
2016-02-15T09:19:38 < upgrdman_> like, needed to be power cycles weekly
2016-02-15T09:19:43 < dongs> upgrdman_: rape compute module can connect 2 cams
2016-02-15T09:19:50 < dongs> CSI cams
2016-02-15T09:19:58 < dongs> there's some "shield" that can multiplex like 4 of them at once
2016-02-15T09:19:59 < upgrdman_> hm
2016-02-15T09:20:26 < dongs> http://www.ivmech.com/magaza/en/development-modules-c-4/ivport-raspberry-pi-camera-module-multiplexer-p-90
2016-02-15T09:20:31 < dongs> duno why its so rage expensive
2016-02-15T09:20:32 < dongs> lol
2016-02-15T09:20:54 < upgrdman_> lol fuck $80
2016-02-15T09:21:06 < dongs> it looks like just a passive fuckin adapter
2016-02-15T09:21:10 < dongs> with maybe i2c mux on it
2016-02-15T09:21:17 < upgrdman_> i was hoping to find some like $4 ebay cameras that i could hack onto the pi
2016-02-15T09:21:30 < dongs> ah, csi cam is gonna bel ike $15 minimum i think
2016-02-15T09:21:33 < upgrdman_> maybe jpa's keychain idea will work
2016-02-15T09:21:35 < dongs> for the 5mp wavesahre clone thing
2016-02-15T09:22:26 < jpa-> upgrdman_: they are totally crappy resolution though
2016-02-15T09:22:38 < upgrdman_> 640x480 is good enough for me
2016-02-15T09:22:40 < jpa-> what use is a security camera when you cannot tell dong's face from a pug?
2016-02-15T09:23:01 < upgrdman_> i want to monitor my home when im shanghai'd.
2016-02-15T09:23:02 < jpa-> you'll have no idea who stole your stm32s
2016-02-15T09:23:14 < upgrdman_> so, like, i just wanna make sure a water pipe isn't flooding my shit
2016-02-15T09:23:20 < upgrdman_> etc
2016-02-15T09:23:34 < jpa-> the keychain cameras are 100% unreliable though, even more so than wifi cams
2016-02-15T09:23:45 < upgrdman_> :(
2016-02-15T09:24:11 < zyp> uh, why not use water sensors to check for flooding?
2016-02-15T09:25:10 < upgrdman_> well i meant that as one example
2016-02-15T09:25:26 < upgrdman_> i just wanna glace at stuff to make sure nothing fucked up has happened
2016-02-15T09:25:59 < upgrdman_> shame this would be a bitch to interface with  http://www.amazon.com/Iphone-Camera-Autofocus-Reverse-MMOBIEL%C2%AE/dp/B00NGKT6OW/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1455521070&sr=8-7&keywords=camera+module
2016-02-15T09:28:05 < jpa-> i would just put them cheap wifi cameras and arrange so that they get rebooted e.g. every night
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2016-02-15T09:42:49 < PeterM> upgrdman_, you should impliment its interface in a FPGA, and free the sores, im sure some hairy dude would suck your dick for that
2016-02-15T09:42:58 < upgrdman_> lol
2016-02-15T09:43:22 < upgrdman_> i was actually tempted to try an fpga solution, but then realized that would be so fucking dumb
2016-02-15T09:43:34 < upgrdman_> pi + 4 webcams... cheap as fuck and easier
2016-02-15T09:44:30 < jpa-> at 640x480 you could even use cheap-ass analog PAL cameras
2016-02-15T09:45:18 < PeterM> oh i just mean an fpga solution to interface the great quality, almost commodity iphone cameras
2016-02-15T09:45:31 < upgrdman_> oh those. lol.
2016-02-15T09:45:42 < upgrdman_> ya, maybe if i ever get bored and need a challenge
2016-02-15T09:46:17 < upgrdman_> i could even go full retard and use a xilinx zync for it
2016-02-15T09:46:54 < PeterM> you'd be djrone king if you put iphone camera on fpv djrone for $50
2016-02-15T09:47:25 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/321861690346 cheap ass mipi-dsi panel for dicking around with F4/F7
2016-02-15T09:48:08 < upgrdman_> "Shipping: Does not ship to United States"
2016-02-15T09:48:15 < upgrdman_> have not seen that in ages. lol
2016-02-15T09:48:39 < PeterM> upgrdman_, im sure you could buy them by the pallet from .cn for half the price anyway
2016-02-15T09:49:19 < jpa-> hardest part would be getting docs, though.. not so sure if they might not have a way to interface at reasonable clock speeds also
2016-02-15T09:49:38 < dongs> upgrdman_: lol
2016-02-15T09:49:38 < jpa-> reasonable = tarduino-compatible
2016-02-15T09:49:40 < dongs> doesnt ship to japan either
2016-02-15T09:49:48 < upgrdman_> :)
2016-02-15T09:49:51 < dongs> oh weaht teh hell
2016-02-15T09:49:52 < dongs> its in UK or someshit
2016-02-15T09:50:03 < dongs> that means its even cheaper in actual china
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2016-02-15T09:50:19 < dongs> unless its one of those bullshit china accounts
2016-02-15T09:50:23 < dongs> that says its in UK
2016-02-15T09:50:24 < PeterM> dongs zango now doing phone reapirs
2016-02-15T09:50:46 < dongs> o yeah address below is in HK
2016-02-15T09:50:56 < dongs> PeterM: sup? no, its really for dickign w/F4 DSI
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2016-02-15T09:53:08 < PeterM> i was >implying phone parts being sold from UK = reedman spent his millions and is now living in slums, fixing broken phones for a living
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2016-02-15T09:57:10 < dongs> oh haha
2016-02-15T09:57:46 < PeterM> doing much innovation lately?
2016-02-15T09:59:58 < dongs> some freelancin' and dickandplacing 24/7 mostlyu
2016-02-15T10:00:03 < dongs> not a lot of time for innovation
2016-02-15T10:00:56 < PeterM> but i thought cheap pakis were takin yer jerbs?
2016-02-15T10:00:56 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/YoungFancyGartersnake
2016-02-15T10:01:08 < dongs> lol no, real jobs cant be done by pakis
2016-02-15T10:01:24 < PeterM> yeah, cmon, they can't even play cricket
2016-02-15T10:02:05 < zyp> says free shipping to norway
2016-02-15T10:02:17 < dongs> maybe just racist to usa
2016-02-15T10:02:26 < dongs> no toyz for upgrdman
2016-02-15T10:02:28 < zyp> Shipping to: Worldwide
2016-02-15T10:02:29 < zyp> Excludes: Russian Federation, Albania, Germany, Andorra, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Vatican City State, Guernsey, Jersey, Liechtenstein, Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, United Kingdom, San Marino, Serbia, Svalbard and Jan Mayen, Ukraine, Israel, United States
2016-02-15T10:02:39 < zyp> haha
2016-02-15T10:02:39 < dongs> thats a pretty specific exception list
2016-02-15T10:02:58 < PeterM> Excludes:  United Kingdom what
2016-02-15T10:02:58 < dongs> seller: in UK, does not shop to UK
2016-02-15T10:03:07 < PeterM> dongsdammit
2016-02-15T10:06:15 < dongs> ugh whats a standard 16pin ethernet transformer shit that is actually in prodcution
2016-02-15T10:06:36 < dongs> and why hte ufck does pulse have like 3 million different types of them
2016-02-15T10:07:16 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/PE-65728NL/553-1439-ND/1286509 like this shit i guess
2016-02-15T10:07:47 < PeterM> surely you can find some chaina clone trash for 1/10th the price
2016-02-15T10:07:54 < dongs> i just need ONE
2016-02-15T10:07:57 < dongs> and i have a mouser order
2016-02-15T10:08:01 < dongs> so I figured i'd add it
2016-02-15T10:08:08 < dongs> trying to find osmething american-made lol
2016-02-15T10:08:11 < PeterM> ahh,m fairy snuff
2016-02-15T10:09:02 < dongs> oh no that link is literally for fucking AUI
2016-02-15T10:09:03 < dongs> god damn
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2016-02-15T10:11:20 < dongs> wtf
2016-02-15T10:11:25 < dongs> i cant fufkcing find anythign
2016-02-15T10:11:42 < dongs> digieky has like 40 things under "pulse transformers"
2016-02-15T10:11:44 < dongs> but nothing interesting
2016-02-15T10:11:46 < zyp> why aren't you using a socket with that shit built in?
2016-02-15T10:11:55 < dongs> zyp, because im replacing something
2016-02-15T10:11:58 < dongs> that has it on it
2016-02-15T10:12:00 < dongs> and its osme chink part
2016-02-15T10:12:07 < zyp> oh
2016-02-15T10:12:20 < PeterM> iirc standard shink shit is hanrun somethingsomething
2016-02-15T10:12:24 < dongs> yes
2016-02-15T10:12:26 < dongs> thats what it is
2016-02-15T10:12:32 < dongs> but i cant fucking order it obviosuly
2016-02-15T10:12:40 < dongs> HR601680
2016-02-15T10:12:44 < dongs> the datecode on teh shit i got is like 2004
2016-02-15T10:12:59 < zyp> chinagirl can't get any?
2016-02-15T10:13:12 < dongs> i already haev a mosuer order, so no sense to get just one thing from there
2016-02-15T10:14:32 < PeterM> yeah thats the one, its pretty universao footprint, , i guess you're trying to get murican part to test wtih and use handjob for productionish
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2016-02-15T10:21:29 < dongs> looks like any of H1102FNL, HX1188FNL H1260FNL, HX1260FNL will work
2016-02-15T10:22:18 < dongs> they look fucking identical
2016-02-15T10:22:21 < dongs> i wonder whats the difference is
2016-02-15T10:22:53 < dongs> some return loss crap wtf
2016-02-15T10:22:56 < PeterM> who knows, probably something superficial like... height or some shit
2016-02-15T10:22:58 < dongs> i probably dont evne care right
2016-02-15T10:23:18 < dongs> -11.5 vs -12dB
2016-02-15T10:23:25 < dongs> the other ones are same specs
2016-02-15T10:23:27 < dongs> what the hell
2016-02-15T10:23:40 < PeterM> psshhh not even worth worrying about
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2016-02-15T10:24:34 < dongs> il ltake hte hceap one
2016-02-15T10:24:52 < dongs> 4 bucks, shit is probably like .40 in china but since i only need one, fuckit
2016-02-15T10:25:14 < PeterM> 40c is pretty close to what i paid last time, eyah
2016-02-15T10:25:43 < dongs> ah no fuck, cheap one is slightly different pinout
2016-02-15T10:25:57 < dongs> i can solder it bckwards to get same function as handjob
2016-02-15T10:26:02 < dongs> $1 less
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2016-02-15T10:59:30 < dongs> ugh
2016-02-15T10:59:40 < dongs> almost *every* item you buy on mouser, fuckign FT232RL is in related items
2016-02-15T10:59:44 < dongs> who teh FUCK is buying htem~!
2016-02-15T10:59:57 < dongs> fukken newbs
2016-02-15T11:00:07 < jpa-> maybe it is a subtle hint "this chip you're looking at is shit, like FT232RL"
2016-02-15T11:00:13 < dongs> haha
2016-02-15T11:01:59 < zyp> haha
2016-02-15T11:02:33 < PaulFertser> What's shitty about FT232RL except that it's by FTDI and is more expensive than some alternatives?
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2016-02-15T11:02:58 < jpa-> it's not cool anymore; nothing besides that :P
2016-02-15T11:03:17 < dongs> PaulFertser: it hasnt been relevant for years
2016-02-15T11:03:27 < PaulFertser> What's relevant and cool nowadays?
2016-02-15T11:03:35 < dongs> 1) silabs cp2102/04 is cheaper + smaller, 2) any mcu in last century has usb and can do usb-cdc for free
2016-02-15T11:03:50 < dongs> cp2104 is like 4x4mm
2016-02-15T11:03:53 < dongs> and does same shit as ftdi
2016-02-15T11:04:18 < Ecco> Wouldn't the driver side of things also matter?
2016-02-15T11:04:26 < dongs> how so?
2016-02-15T11:04:31 < Ecco> Some OSes include drivers for FTDI chips by default
2016-02-15T11:04:43 < Ecco> (hi by the way :))
2016-02-15T11:04:54 < dongs> if you're THAT worried, make your mcu emulate ftdi device id
2016-02-15T11:05:00 < dongs> pretty sure silabs shit is on windowsupdate too
2016-02-15T11:05:05 < jpa-> CP21xx is pretty much equally supported, and STM32 has that usb id that has CDC-ACM drivers in windows update
2016-02-15T11:05:16 < Ecco> ok :)
2016-02-15T11:05:29 < dongs> jpa-: oo, the STM sample thing?
2016-02-15T11:05:38 < dongs> cool
2016-02-15T11:06:53 < jpa-> 0483:5720
2016-02-15T11:08:03 < PaulFertser> Good to know
2016-02-15T11:08:21 < dongs> i am seeing "Available in MultiSIM BLUE" on mouser shits and I keep reading it as "available in muslim blue"
2016-02-15T11:10:29 < dongs> k now that my work order is complete.. what else to add
2016-02-15T11:11:11 < dongs> mouser probably wont have 497-3686-5-ND
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2016-02-15T11:11:27 < dongs> omg they do
2016-02-15T11:11:28 < dongs> YES finally
2016-02-15T11:11:56 < zyp> snapchat for soic
2016-02-15T11:12:02 < dongs> yes
2016-02-15T11:12:29 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?qs=5Uvc6lfWVJwdIshewhCqmA%3d%3d and mating part
2016-02-15T11:12:46 < dongs> thats a pretty crazy pkg
2016-02-15T11:12:58 < zyp> what are you using that for?
2016-02-15T11:13:06 < dongs> zyp, im just geting the snapchat
2016-02-15T11:13:15 < dongs> for the fucking agilent spectrum analyzer
2016-02-15T11:13:25 < dongs> i figure i replace battery, i can charge $100 more when selling it
2016-02-15T11:13:26 < zyp> ah
2016-02-15T11:14:05 < zyp> yeah, looks pretty dumb to use in a new design now
2016-02-15T11:14:13 < dongs> definitely
2016-02-15T11:14:20 < dongs> cuz its literally just a coin cell inside a box
2016-02-15T11:14:32 < dongs> china CR2032 holders are like $1/1k bag
2016-02-15T11:14:45 < crt> ah fuck
2016-02-15T11:16:05 < dongs> k time to check out
2016-02-15T11:16:07 < dongs> finally I got that batt
2016-02-15T11:16:29 < zyp> I should do an order as well
2016-02-15T11:16:35 < dongs> to fix your shit?
2016-02-15T11:16:36 < dongs> :)
2016-02-15T11:16:55 < zyp> yeah, I probably need some SMA connectors to hook up the VNA when I get it
2016-02-15T11:17:01 < zyp> and probably some caps to try with
2016-02-15T11:17:40 < dongs> lol mouser free shipping. so fucking great.
2016-02-15T11:17:40 < dongs> digikey is ded2me
2016-02-15T11:17:40 < zyp> and a bunch of other shit
2016-02-15T11:17:51 < dongs> just get a cap sample book from chinagirl
2016-02-15T11:18:05 < zyp> that would work
2016-02-15T11:18:25 < zyp> then again, mouser probably got them as well
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2016-02-15T11:18:35 < zyp> and I were thinking about picking up some other shit as well
2016-02-15T11:18:40 < dongs> rite.
2016-02-15T11:18:52 < zyp> looking at picking up an intel edison
2016-02-15T11:18:59 < dongs> wahtcha gonan do with it
2016-02-15T11:19:10 < dongs> i thoguht of making a board with it but forgot what for
2016-02-15T11:19:38 < zyp> I want some shit I can put in a box and hook up to available wifi for monitoring shit
2016-02-15T11:20:26 < zyp> without spending a ton of time dicking around with stupid reduced networking stacks
2016-02-15T11:21:00 < dongs> so you'd rather run IPX/SPX under DOS?
2016-02-15T11:21:12 < jpa-> just use ESP8266, now with arduino ide!
2016-02-15T11:21:38 < jpa-> (or a cheap tiny openwrt-supported wlan access point)
2016-02-15T11:22:06 < zyp> jpa-, yeah, but they are so weak compared to the edison
2016-02-15T11:22:11 < dongs> as much as i hate to agree, one of those dickstarted ralink things would probly do better
2016-02-15T11:22:33 < dongs> vocore?
2016-02-15T11:22:34 < dongs> or someshti
2016-02-15T11:22:43 < dongs> http://vocore.io/
2016-02-15T11:23:49 < zyp> I'm thinking about some shit to remotely monitor these EV charger things I'm planning on making, for field tests
2016-02-15T11:24:01 < zyp> possibly some control and upgrade as well
2016-02-15T11:24:41 < zyp> so I want some shit that I can hook up to whatever wifi is available and run some sort of vpn out so I can easily connect to it
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2016-02-15T11:25:17 < dongs> radink
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2016-02-15T11:27:17 < zyp> well, edison got 1GB ram and 4GB flash, that vocore shit got 32MB ram and 8MB flash
2016-02-15T11:27:57 < zyp> for a test setup thing, I don't need it to be super cheap, I want it to be easy to use, so I can spend the time dicking around with what I'm testing, not the test setup itself
2016-02-15T11:28:37 < zyp> and this goes for all the similar openwrt units I know of
2016-02-15T11:28:42 < zyp> tplink, carambola, etc
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2016-02-15T11:41:23 < fest> zyp: why do you think edison will be easier to use? (I've spent a lot of time getting openwrt based shit to work, so I'm genuinely interested)
2016-02-15T11:42:37 < zyp> because you're not limited to 8MB of flash, you can put in a full linux env, not just busybox
2016-02-15T11:45:34 < fest> oh, and it's got eMMC, that should be a bit more reliable than sdcards in all those fruit-derived devboards
2016-02-15T11:46:28 < dongs> whatsa fruit-derived board
2016-02-15T11:46:55 < fest> raspberry-pi, banana pi and whatnot else
2016-02-15T11:47:11 < dongs> oh
2016-02-15T11:47:19 < dongs> well there's some aspieberry shit wiht emmc
2016-02-15T11:47:24 < dongs> just 4gb tho
2016-02-15T11:47:37 < dongs> not that anyone cares
2016-02-15T11:47:43 < dongs> anyone using it for srs work is insane
2016-02-15T11:55:28 < zyp> well, I mean, I could almost have used an rpi for this, because it's so common nowadays I assume I can just get a readymade distro image that'll work
2016-02-15T11:55:45 < zyp> but the form factor is stupid and it lacks wifi, and I don't want to dick around with usb wifi and shit
2016-02-15T11:56:03 < zyp> or a bunch of usb periphs sticking out
2016-02-15T11:56:11 < dongs> zyp, assberry compute module?
2016-02-15T11:56:15 < dongs> DDR dimm thingy.
2016-02-15T11:56:28 < dongs> you can stick a usb port on it and plug in some cheap wifi dongle
2016-02-15T11:56:57 < zyp> true, but what makes that better than edison?
2016-02-15T11:56:57 < dongs> oh you jsut said you dont wanna deal with it
2016-02-15T11:56:59 < dongs> wtf!1
2016-02-15T11:57:00 < jpa-> to me, a full linux distribution sounds like bazillion points of failure
2016-02-15T11:57:01 < dongs> nothing
2016-02-15T11:57:11 < dongs> lunix is a failure to begin wiht
2016-02-15T11:58:56 < zyp> jpa-, for what purpose? I want a box that I can ssh into over a vpn and run some python scripts on, without having to work with shitty busybox tools that's hardcoded to 80x25 terminal or whatever
2016-02-15T11:59:33 < dongs> just install windows 10 IdiOT edition on aspieberrypi
2016-02-15T11:59:42 < zyp> haha
2016-02-15T11:59:46 < dongs> and run python.exe
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2016-02-15T12:47:41 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Architecture/Project-for-rashidriaz-9652120/
2016-02-15T12:47:44 < dongs> haha
2016-02-15T12:48:41 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/design-camera-flash-remote-trigger/ haha $30 budget for a 100ft range remote trigger
2016-02-15T12:48:54 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNH7WU6swGM&feature=youtu.be
2016-02-15T12:49:47 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Data-capture-Microcontroller-EEprom-9652099/ zyp, looks like a proj for you
2016-02-15T12:49:51 < dongs> some dude workin on a EMV skimmer
2016-02-15T12:50:15 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/5geuPh.jpg
2016-02-15T12:50:26 < dongs> Please? Only Reliable Serious Freelancers. You must have work History to get hired. And the purpose of the project doesn't matter to YOU what its used for.
2016-02-15T12:50:30 < dongs> haha
2016-02-15T12:50:49 < Laurenceb> why does that sound like a hooker posting on craigslist
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2016-02-15T13:14:25 < MightyPork> anyone know if F303CBT can boot to USB bootloader mode? Can't get it to work..
2016-02-15T13:15:29 < jpa-> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/application_note/CD00167594.pdf   if i read this right, F3 does not support usb bootloader
2016-02-15T13:17:11 < MightyPork> it has the "DFU" there, so I thought that's it - but it doesn't show up as usb device so probably not
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2016-02-15T13:18:27 < MightyPork> maybe it doesn't work on Linux
2016-02-15T13:19:08 < jpa-> on F4 it does
2016-02-15T13:19:23 < dongs>  < MightyPork> anyone know if F303CBT can boot to USB bootloader mode? Can't get it to work..
2016-02-15T13:19:24 < jpa-> hmm, indeed in table 3 it says F303xB has DFU
2016-02-15T13:19:26 < dongs> works for me
2016-02-15T13:19:30 < MightyPork> hm. maybe I messed up my usb wiring
2016-02-15T13:19:38 < dongs> does it enumerate?
2016-02-15T13:19:41 < dongs> and boot0 is high?
2016-02-15T13:19:46 < dongs> or no USB traffic at all?
2016-02-15T13:19:46 < karlp> dongs: cp2104 doesn't do rs485 driver automatically without programming it's eeprom differently, ft232rl and replacement ft230x do..
2016-02-15T13:19:59 < MightyPork> I have 1k instead of 1.5k pullup on DP, can that be a problem?
2016-02-15T13:20:04 < dongs> err. yes.
2016-02-15T13:20:11 < MightyPork> it doesnt enumerate, no
2016-02-15T13:20:14 < jpa-> MightyPork: do you get "trying to enumerate" in dmesg?
2016-02-15T13:20:14 < dongs> its 1.5K 1% for a reason
2016-02-15T13:20:34 < jpa-> MightyPork: also, do you have HSE crystal?
2016-02-15T13:21:35 < MightyPork> I do
2016-02-15T13:21:37 < MightyPork> 8 MHz
2016-02-15T13:21:53 < MightyPork> there's nothing in dmesg
2016-02-15T13:22:15 < MightyPork> boot0 is high, yes.. so it can be the resistor then..
2016-02-15T13:22:33 < MightyPork> it's smd, that'ĺl be pain
2016-02-15T13:22:56 < Sync> o0
2016-02-15T13:25:19 < MightyPork> the resistor.. it's there to trigger the enumeration?
2016-02-15T13:25:26 < jpa-> MightyPork: just merely having the resistor on D+ should be enough to start the enumeration, yeah
2016-02-15T13:25:29 < jpa-> and to show up in dmesg
2016-02-15T13:25:38 < rewolff1> Although specs say 1.5k, 1%,  my intuition tells me that no host implementation is going to check for that exact value....
2016-02-15T13:26:47 < MightyPork> here's my schematic http://data.ondrovo.com/f/meas_v01_final.pdf
2016-02-15T13:26:52 < rewolff1> I've had "trouble" with an F042 not working. If you have ONLY the pullup in Linux you'll see "new high speed USB device.... not accepting new ID".
2016-02-15T13:26:59 < MightyPork> surely loads of stuff wrong, it's my first board
2016-02-15T13:27:01 < dongs> is dat sum orcad
2016-02-15T13:27:07 < MightyPork> yes
2016-02-15T13:27:26 < dongs> freelancin like a pro
2016-02-15T13:27:53 < MightyPork> it's uni provided ;)
2016-02-15T13:28:32 < dongs> why are you even touching ID
2016-02-15T13:28:37 < dongs> are you doing OTG or something?
2016-02-15T13:28:48 < dongs> (usb ID pin)
2016-02-15T13:29:03 < dongs> supposedly you dont need 22R on F303 USB
2016-02-15T13:29:12 < dongs> (not that it matters here)
2016-02-15T13:29:25 < MightyPork> I mostly copied it from the Discovery schematic or something
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2016-02-15T13:29:36 < MightyPork> found many conflicting how-tos on google
2016-02-15T13:29:51 < MightyPork> as if there was no standard wiring
2016-02-15T13:30:58 < jpa-> to 22R or not to 22R, that's the question always on STM32 usb
2016-02-15T13:31:22 < jpa-> other popular questions: 1) do i need a pullup 2) do i need HSE
2016-02-15T13:32:41 < zyp> 1: maybe, 2: maybe ;)
2016-02-15T13:33:29 < jpa-> after that comes the big one: 3) i only need simple usb com port what library do i use?
2016-02-15T13:34:47 < mervaka> use the USB shield :D
2016-02-15T13:35:26 < mervaka> tell you what though, El Capitan has caused all sorts of grief over here.
2016-02-15T13:35:38 < dongs> lol, apple
2016-02-15T13:35:43 < dongs> how about using a real os, FAGGOT
2016-02-15T13:35:44 < mervaka> yep :/
2016-02-15T13:35:48 < zyp> what did they fuck up?
2016-02-15T13:35:54 < mervaka> unfortunately our customers are mostly faggots.
2016-02-15T13:36:09 < mervaka> mactards*
2016-02-15T13:36:23 < mervaka> they still don't know yet.
2016-02-15T13:36:49 < mervaka> but upon enumeration, USB MIDI fails to work
2016-02-15T13:36:58 < zyp> I'm still on 10.8, would like to know about any potential problems before I upgrade
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2016-02-15T13:37:11 < mervaka> press some button on the control panel and things magically fix themselves
2016-02-15T13:37:30 < mervaka> I believe USB was overhauled in el pootan
2016-02-15T13:37:53 < dongs> is finder still a single-threaded app
2016-02-15T13:37:59 < mervaka> fuck knows
2016-02-15T13:37:59 < dongs> in 2 016
2016-02-15T13:38:16 < dongs> beachball of death
2016-02-15T13:38:23 < mervaka> i don't deal with anything apple myself, only the devices we make
2016-02-15T13:38:32 < mervaka> test dept have that job
2016-02-15T13:38:34 < mervaka> :)
2016-02-15T13:39:23 < mervaka> i think it might have something to do with a naughty thing we do our end
2016-02-15T13:39:29 < zyp> 10.8 have some bug with synchronous usb api
2016-02-15T13:39:30 < mervaka> ie, 4 byte bulk packets
2016-02-15T13:39:48 < mervaka> minimum in spec is 8 bytes
2016-02-15T13:39:57 < mervaka> usb midi uses 4 byte packets
2016-02-15T13:40:14 < mervaka> yet most OSes have historically supported 4 byte packets anyway
2016-02-15T13:40:15 < mervaka> :p
2016-02-15T13:40:16 < zyp> only reason I found it were because this shitty usb4java lib implements async usb by polling the sync api in a loop in a background thread
2016-02-15T13:40:49 < zyp> I had some perfectly working python code using async calls, but the equivalent java code failed
2016-02-15T13:40:55 < dongs> ales of aids
2016-02-15T13:40:58 < dongs> er , tales
2016-02-15T13:40:59 < zyp> wasted a couple of hours tracking that down
2016-02-15T13:41:03 < zyp> dongs, ya
2016-02-15T13:41:19 < mervaka> I'll fix my code when I next tough that product, or enough people complain
2016-02-15T13:41:23 < zyp> the usb4java shit is awful
2016-02-15T13:41:27 < mervaka> touch*
2016-02-15T13:41:45 < zyp> but, I mean, I wouldn't have picked java at all for that stuff
2016-02-15T13:42:06 < mervaka> few people actually use the USB on this product, most use cases use our proprietary RS485 link
2016-02-15T13:42:30 < mervaka> java and usb, what?
2016-02-15T13:43:05 < zyp> yeah, I made some usb shit
2016-02-15T13:43:11 < mervaka> so usb4java is a hacky wrapper?
2016-02-15T13:43:13 < zyp> this guy wanted to interface with it from java
2016-02-15T13:43:18 < mervaka> lol
2016-02-15T13:43:27 < mervaka> why oh why
2016-02-15T13:43:44 < mervaka> do the legwork in lower layers..
2016-02-15T13:43:50 < zyp> usb4java got a lowlevel layer which is just libusb bindings, they are fine
2016-02-15T13:44:03 < zyp> but there's a high level layer on top of that which is utter shit
2016-02-15T13:44:09 < mervaka> well yeah
2016-02-15T13:44:18 < zyp> with async stuff based on the libusb sync api
2016-02-15T13:44:23 < mervaka> the whole idea of exposing USB to java sounds bonkers to me
2016-02-15T13:44:46 < zyp> why? surely not any worse than exposing usb to python?
2016-02-15T13:44:56 < mervaka> i wouldnt do that either
2016-02-15T13:45:08 < zyp> I would, and have done that a lot
2016-02-15T13:45:14 < zyp> why not?
2016-02-15T13:45:34 < jpa-> yeah, seems fine to me
2016-02-15T13:45:35 < karlp> you're not going to hear a good answer, why ask? ;)
2016-02-15T13:45:46 < MightyPork> weird the DM and DP lines have -0.15 V on them while connected to USB. doesnt sound right
2016-02-15T13:45:47 < jpa-> karlp: bad answers can provide insight also :P
2016-02-15T13:46:14 < dongs> tyhe only place python belongs is in the garbage
2016-02-15T13:46:28 < mervaka> well i suppose low bandwidth stuff without time constraint would be okay
2016-02-15T13:46:46 < zyp> haha
2016-02-15T13:46:53 < jpa-> i doubt you could hit python's limit with USB full-speed anyway
2016-02-15T13:47:10 < zyp> I've also done isochronous usb with 400 packets per second in python, worked fine :)
2016-02-15T13:47:15 < mervaka> really?
2016-02-15T13:47:18 < mervaka> hell
2016-02-15T13:47:20 < zyp> sure, why not?
2016-02-15T13:47:27 < jpa-> and with a bit of care it is easy enough to handle even USB high-speed in python; you can handle the data in blocks and have python just pass it between C libs
2016-02-15T13:47:44 < mervaka> well passing it down seems fair enough
2016-02-15T13:48:19 < jpa-> that's what a lot of python is anyway; libusb being thin bindings over C lib, numpy being the same, the standard IO stuff being the same etc.
2016-02-15T13:48:31 < zyp> mervaka, the isochronous api allows for multiple packets per buffer, and you can do dual buffering
2016-02-15T13:48:42 < jpa-> it is just totally transparent to the user whether some part of library is implemented in C or in python
2016-02-15T13:48:56 < mervaka> i'm not speaking from experience, you guys are. I'll take your word for it :)
2016-02-15T13:49:10 < mervaka> hence my phrasing "seems" :)
2016-02-15T13:49:17 < zyp> I feed the stuff into a ringbuffer, that's then being passed as an array to opengl to visualize the data realtime
2016-02-15T13:49:17 < jpa-> also python's struct.unpack() is pretty nice :P
2016-02-15T13:50:54 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/f/XQny1.png <- here's the result
2016-02-15T13:51:09 < zyp> realtime graphing of various vars from my quadrotor shit
2016-02-15T13:52:04 < mervaka> cool
2016-02-15T13:52:23 < mervaka> right, back to work :)
2016-02-15T13:53:22 < zyp> jpa-, ctypes is pretty cool too
2016-02-15T13:53:53 < zyp> you can essentially import any .so/.dll and call functions from it, directly from python
2016-02-15T13:54:27 < jpa-> yeah
2016-02-15T13:54:44 < zyp> I've used that to make bindings for hidapi, which didn't have proper python bindings in the first place
2016-02-15T13:55:28 < zyp> of course, python is not for everything
2016-02-15T13:55:43 < zyp> but for convenience scripts and small stuff, it's super convenient
2016-02-15T13:57:01 < zyp> when testing stuff, I usually make small custom usb control request handlers in my firmware, and then I wrap that in a python function
2016-02-15T13:57:48 < zyp> like, for this nfc stuff, I got a control request to send a command and one to read a reply
2016-02-15T13:58:14 < zyp> wrapped up in a python functions, I can just call that to send a command to the chip and get the reply back
2016-02-15T13:58:25 < zyp> and I can call that from interactive python
2016-02-15T13:58:51 < zyp> makes testing way faster than having to reflash the firmware to test various commands
2016-02-15T14:01:11 < Laurenceb> http://spatulatzar.com/fly_plane/
2016-02-15T14:03:37 < zyp> flygplan
2016-02-15T14:13:44 < zyp> format c:?
2016-02-15T14:17:29 < dongs> upgrade what?
2016-02-15T14:17:34 < dongs> gpedit.msc, set updates to manual
2016-02-15T14:17:38 < dongs> or import appropriate .reg
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2016-02-15T15:22:23 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/PCB-design-atmega-dmx/
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2016-02-15T15:53:17 < dongs> attn Laurenceb https://aerospace.honeywell.com/en/products/navigation-and-sensors/gg1320an-digital-ring-laser-gyroscope
2016-02-15T15:53:35 < Laurenceb> wtf
2016-02-15T15:53:38 < Laurenceb> nice
2016-02-15T15:54:18 < Laurenceb> lol 454grams
2016-02-15T15:54:45 < dongs> lol
2016-02-15T15:54:50 < Laurenceb> holy shit the stability
2016-02-15T15:55:01 < Laurenceb> 0.0035 deg/root-hour
2016-02-15T15:56:02 < Laurenceb> just use three as your imu and calibrate it once a week
2016-02-15T15:57:29 < Laurenceb> its like > 1000 times better than best mems
2016-02-15T15:57:43 < dongs> also: http://media.digikey.com/pdf/PCNs/Honeywell/HMC5883L,%20HMC5983%20EOL%20Update.pdf
2016-02-15T15:58:25 < dongs> currently: there is no temperature-compensated compass IC available other than 5983.
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2016-02-15T16:03:01 < Laurenceb> sucks
2016-02-15T16:03:07 < Laurenceb> well they licensed it to ST
2016-02-15T16:04:13 < kakimir> laser gyro is not a new thing
2016-02-15T16:05:06 < dongs> fucking
2016-02-15T16:05:07 < dongs> ST.
2016-02-15T16:05:07 < dongs> COM
2016-02-15T16:05:10 < dongs> so fucking slow
2016-02-15T16:05:15 < dongs> HOW DO THEY EVEN INTERNET
2016-02-15T16:06:33 < englishman> zyp, what are you working on with quadongers
2016-02-15T16:06:53 < dongs> er that was years ago
2016-02-15T16:06:56 < dongs> i dont think he is anymore
2016-02-15T16:06:57 < englishman> oh
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2016-02-15T16:12:16 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/LIS3MDLTR/497-13892-1-ND/4309737
2016-02-15T16:12:17 < dongs> whats this
2016-02-15T16:12:23 < zyp> dongs, just because I can't find the time for it
2016-02-15T16:12:27 < dongs> rite
2016-02-15T16:12:30 < dongs> the innovation queue
2016-02-15T16:12:32 < dongs> it goes
2016-02-15T16:12:42 < zyp> yeah
2016-02-15T16:12:54 < Laurenceb> dongs: ST magno
2016-02-15T16:12:55 < Laurenceb> derp
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2016-02-15T16:13:51 < zyp> the original purpose of my usb stack were quadrotor configuration, then it turned out that once I had a working usb stack, I could innovate all other sorts of usb devices instead
2016-02-15T16:14:01 < dongs> heh
2016-02-15T16:15:01 < zyp> I showed off the arcin in a job interview once, mentioning I'd sold a few hundred of those
2016-02-15T16:15:37 < zyp> "so how did you get started on that project?" "well... first I were working on trying to get a quadrotor to fly"
2016-02-15T16:16:42 < dongs> wtf
2016-02-15T16:16:47 < dongs> Laurenceb: that ST mag has 1khz ODR
2016-02-15T16:16:53 < Laurenceb> wait wut
2016-02-15T16:17:02 < dongs> section 7.2
2016-02-15T16:17:09 < dongs> DOx registers
2016-02-15T16:17:25 < dongs> ULTRA HIGH PERFORMANCE MODE
2016-02-15T16:18:33 < Laurenceb> haha nice
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2016-02-15T16:20:34 < Laurenceb> 16 bit too
2016-02-15T16:20:42 < dongs> well, thats same as 5983
2016-02-15T16:20:46 < dongs> i guess ill check if chinagirl has those
2016-02-15T16:20:54 < dongs> price even on digikey is not bad
2016-02-15T16:21:01 < dongs> .98$ @ 500
2016-02-15T16:21:08 < Laurenceb> looks like lower noise, even at high data rate
2016-02-15T16:21:21 < Laurenceb> and should be as stable as honeywell as it uses the same sensor
2016-02-15T16:21:32 < Laurenceb> paired with custom ST ADC/interface
2016-02-15T16:21:42 < dongs> oh fuck just noticed size
2016-02-15T16:21:45 < dongs> 2x2mm
2016-02-15T16:21:54 < Laurenceb> shrug
2016-02-15T16:22:03 < Laurenceb> not like its BGA
2016-02-15T16:22:17 < dongs> almost
2016-02-15T16:22:23 < dongs> still 0.5 mm pitch at least
2016-02-15T16:22:25 < Laurenceb> I've hand soldered HMC easily
2016-02-15T16:22:38 < dongs> huh wtf, ST had this since 2013
2016-02-15T16:23:04 < dongs> in may 2015 tyhey added table that explains how to enable high ODR
2016-02-15T16:23:13 < dongs> i wonder what it was before that
2016-02-15T16:23:15 < Laurenceb> yeah about half the noise of honeywell
2016-02-15T16:23:25 < dongs> RMS noise?
2016-02-15T16:23:33 < Laurenceb> yeah, accounting for bandwidth
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2016-02-15T16:23:52 < Laurenceb> honeywell is 2mG , but way slower
2016-02-15T16:24:10 < Laurenceb> pity it doesnt have full specs like honeywell
2016-02-15T16:24:28 < Laurenceb> but nonlinearity and shit should be the same as thats due to the sensor die
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2016-02-15T16:24:48 < Laurenceb> and its all the same shit in all this stuff (apart from freescale magnos)
2016-02-15T16:24:53 < Laurenceb> which are shit aiui
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2016-02-15T16:29:13 < dongs> there's also that oddball melexis trash
2016-02-15T16:29:17 < dongs> that nobody uses cuz its like $20/chip
2016-02-15T16:36:07 < Laurenceb> http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/datasheet/DM00103319.pdf
2016-02-15T16:36:21 < Laurenceb> same thing with 952Hz accel and gyro
2016-02-15T16:39:31 < dongs> its another of those dumb SIP things where you don't even have same set of registers for everythingf
2016-02-15T16:39:44 < dongs> separate fucking SDO for a+g and ocmpass
2016-02-15T16:43:50 < kakimir> it's funny how expensive precision devices are placed inside tubes that fly thru air and hit jihad causing damage measured 100times less than price of that tube
2016-02-15T16:48:30 < dongs> R2COM: i had something to tell you but forgot
2016-02-15T16:48:38 < dongs> i think it was something about orcad sucking
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2016-02-15T16:54:28 < Laurenceb>  /b/cad
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2016-02-15T17:07:06 < trepidacious> So enraged - OS X keeps crashing random apps when I copy and paste
2016-02-15T17:07:14 < trepidacious> They just hang until force quit
2016-02-15T17:15:12 < Laurenceb> do I really need ESD protection on USB for stm32?
2016-02-15T17:15:27 < Laurenceb> never had any issues so far...
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2016-02-15T17:26:10 < Laurenceb> what the heck
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2016-02-15T17:26:34 < Laurenceb> SMART data from my HDD says Read Error Rate: 184496752
2016-02-15T17:26:42 < Laurenceb> but thats "healthy"
2016-02-15T17:28:02 < Laurenceb> ohhhh http://askubuntu.com/questions/20393/how-do-i-interpret-hdd-s-m-a-r-t-results
2016-02-15T17:28:26 < BrainDamage> pastebin smartctl -a output
2016-02-15T17:29:30 < Laurenceb> k
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2016-02-15T17:32:04 < Ecco> Laurenceb: Well if you still use an HDD you somehow deserve to have a disk failure :-/
2016-02-15T17:32:52 < Laurenceb> http://pastebin.com/Y5k5L6bq
2016-02-15T17:33:33 < Ecco> Laurenceb: There are 512 GB SSDs that aren't that expensive
2016-02-15T17:33:47 < Ecco> And to be honest, I'd much rather use less space and have an SSD
2016-02-15T17:34:03 < Laurenceb>  "games"
2016-02-15T17:34:05 < Ecco> (if you really think about it, you don't very often need that much storage)
2016-02-15T17:34:58 < Ecco> :-D
2016-02-15T17:35:26 < Ecco> Well if you have a good connection
2016-02-15T17:35:30 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb: it's not considered failed, but it's on hi way there, you have to compare the value colulmn with the treshold column, all values count backwards toward zero, ECC recover are quite high
2016-02-15T17:35:31 < Ecco> you can just download, play, delete
2016-02-15T17:35:51 < Ecco> Laurenceb: If I were you, I'd image the shit out of that disk and replace it ASAP
2016-02-15T17:36:00 < Laurenceb> ok
2016-02-15T17:36:05 < Laurenceb> but no remapped sectors?
2016-02-15T17:36:56 < BrainDamage> 0 reallocated sectors
2016-02-15T17:37:05 < BrainDamage> you can see it in the raw column on the right
2016-02-15T17:38:38 < Laurenceb> I get it
2016-02-15T17:42:35 < Sync> BrainDamage: they are the same as the raw read errors, so that's ok
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2016-02-15T17:54:43 < Laurenceb> http://trollscience.com/troll/view/8287
2016-02-15T17:54:51 < Laurenceb> not sure if troll or troll trolling trolls
2016-02-15T17:56:19 < Sync> I mean why the fuck would lights even have a code for LE
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2016-02-15T18:23:18 < FatalNIX> So it looks like on the stm32l476vg the reset and stack pointer vectors are at 0x0 and 0x4
2016-02-15T18:23:46 < FatalNIX> however, flash memory does not start at 0x0
2016-02-15T18:24:28 < karlp> well...
2016-02-15T18:24:35 < karlp> no, but yes.
2016-02-15T18:25:13 < FatalNIX> so startingf from what is it, something like 0x80000000 or something like that, so how the hell does the cpu know where to reset to
2016-02-15T18:25:30 < karlp> boot pin mapping.
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2016-02-15T18:34:05 < FatalNIX> boot pin mapping?
2016-02-15T18:36:50 < dongs> yeah you know
2016-02-15T18:36:54 < dongs> boot0/boot1
2016-02-15T18:37:45 < karlp> read the section in the reference manual called, "Boot configuration"
2016-02-15T18:38:01 < karlp> it's in the section 2, memory and bus architecture for most parts
2016-02-15T18:38:04 < FatalNIX> oh that
2016-02-15T18:38:23 < FatalNIX> Yeah, but that doesn't really explain how that actually works underneat
2016-02-15T18:38:26 < FatalNIX> underneath(*
2016-02-15T18:38:35 < FatalNIX> hmm
2016-02-15T18:38:44 < dongs> ?
2016-02-15T18:38:55 < karlp> underneath what?
2016-02-15T18:39:05 < karlp> that's as low as is relevant for you.
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2016-02-15T18:39:33 < Laurenceb> ok.. adding bluetooth to horse logger
2016-02-15T18:39:35 < FatalNIX> Let me look at the reference manual, I was in the datasheet
2016-02-15T18:39:39 < Laurenceb> all the interfaces :D
2016-02-15T18:39:52 < karlp> datasheet isn't normally entirely useful
2016-02-15T18:40:24 < upgrdman> microchip wants $10 for this trash? lol https://hackaday.com/2016/02/15/microchip-unveils-online-mplab-ide-and-10-board/
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2016-02-15T18:40:36 < dongs> lol
2016-02-15T18:40:37 < FatalNIX> Okay. so I found that
2016-02-15T18:40:37 < karlp> upgrdman: and don't forget, $30/month if you want optimizations
2016-02-15T18:40:56 < Laurenceb> that doesnt look at all like a discovery board
2016-02-15T18:40:58 < Laurenceb>  /s
2016-02-15T18:40:59 < dongs> thats even less useful than any-discover
2016-02-15T18:41:01 < upgrdman> karlp, sweet! i cant wait to bend over and take it from the guys at microchip
2016-02-15T18:41:05 < FatalNIX> It doesn't exactly specifically say if code execution starts at 0x08000000 though, it just says that flash is located there
2016-02-15T18:41:19 < FatalNIX> oh wait
2016-02-15T18:41:28 < FatalNIX> ok yep
2016-02-15T18:41:37 < Laurenceb> stores your code online and compiles server-side
2016-02-15T18:41:37 < dongs> The target device is a PIC16F1885 which carries 14 KB of program memory, 1 KB of RAM, has a host of peripherals and an internal oscillator configurable for 1-32 MHz.
2016-02-15T18:41:39 < FatalNIX> tthe boot pins shadow 0x08000000 to 0x00000000
2016-02-15T18:41:40 < dongs> haha
2016-02-15T18:41:41 < dongs> fuck right off
2016-02-15T18:41:43 < Laurenceb> what could possibly go wrong
2016-02-15T18:41:54 < FatalNIX> so yep, the reset vector will be at 0x000004 regardless.
2016-02-15T18:42:10 < FatalNIX> and it's physical location is 0x08000004
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2016-02-15T18:43:23 < FatalNIX> it says that the flash memory's physical location also isn't changed from its' original mapping, so I don't have to tell the assembler to offset everything from 0x0
2016-02-15T18:43:51 < karlp> you're thinking too hard.
2016-02-15T18:44:10 < FatalNIX> I have to
2016-02-15T18:44:10 < FatalNIX> :)
2016-02-15T18:44:16 < karlp> step back, what isn't working that you are trying to do?
2016-02-15T18:44:29 < karlp> iirc, you were trying to port from some eclipse something to "something opensource" ?
2016-02-15T18:44:38 < FatalNIX> My program wasn't running, so I was trying to make sure my linker script was right
2016-02-15T18:44:46 < karlp> did you write your linker script yourself?
2016-02-15T18:44:57 < karlp> does your linker script match your startup code? (ie, did they come from the same place?)
2016-02-15T18:45:08 < FatalNIX> I actually modified the one that mbed had
2016-02-15T18:45:12 < FatalNIX> for that unit
2016-02-15T18:45:16 < karlp> and are you using mbed startup code?
2016-02-15T18:45:19 < FatalNIX> nope
2016-02-15T18:45:27 < karlp> then you're probably "doin it wr0ng"
2016-02-15T18:45:49 < karlp> the symbols that the startup code uses to work with are normally exported by your linker scripts.  if you don't have them paired together, you're going to have a bad day.
2016-02-15T18:45:50 < FatalNIX> by doing it wrong meaning, something isn't loading right. I can't use those libraries.
2016-02-15T18:46:03 < karlp> where do libraries come into this?
2016-02-15T18:46:27 < FatalNIX> I'm talking about mbed and such, I can't really use them
2016-02-15T18:46:33 < karlp> have a look at your startup code, see what it's doing, make sure it matches your linker script.
2016-02-15T18:46:36 < MightyPork> I always use the ld and startup script that's in the std periph lib (for "TrueStudio")
2016-02-15T18:46:43 < MightyPork> works great
2016-02-15T18:46:48 < karlp> "works"
2016-02-15T18:46:58 < karlp> at least they're a matching pair ;)
2016-02-15T18:47:16 < karlp> FatalNIX: you can use mbed linker script, just use mbed startup code too.
2016-02-15T18:47:33 < MightyPork> can be crap, but as long as it's not getting in my way...
2016-02-15T18:47:54 < dongs> just use keil
2016-02-15T18:47:56 < dongs> problem solved
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2016-02-15T18:48:17 < FatalNIX> karlp: I looked through the startup code, but even though it has a macro for disabling HAL, the startup was a bit of a mess and I discovered most all of the clock startup code and stuff I've already done myself anyways
2016-02-15T18:48:19 < MightyPork> keil is kinda awful
2016-02-15T18:48:35 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/680033251/cartridge-consoles/description lolllllllllllll
2016-02-15T18:48:40 < FatalNIX> and my clock initialization code does work
2016-02-15T18:48:46 < FatalNIX> but I'll figure it out :)
2016-02-15T18:48:59 < karlp> FatalNIX: no, it cleartly doesn't. otherwise you wouldn't be here asking how to make it work :)
2016-02-15T18:49:00 < dongs> gonna guess thats aspieberrypi in there
2016-02-15T18:49:37 < karlp> I strongly suggest starting with matching pairs of startup code / linker scripts before you go deciding that something is garbage and amending stuff that doesn't work :)
2016-02-15T18:49:43 < MightyPork> yea he says it in the video
2016-02-15T18:49:53 < MightyPork> $5k case for a rpi
2016-02-15T18:49:57 < MightyPork> worth it
2016-02-15T18:50:00 < FatalNIX> It does. I was just having troubles getting the code to actually run after I flash and reset when compiling from gcc instead. So I have this feeling something is a bit messed up with the linker script
2016-02-15T18:50:20 < karlp> ok. well, sounds like you know what you're doing then, I'll leave you to it...
2016-02-15T18:51:04 < FatalNIX> karlp: I was only curious about the confusion aboutthe reset vector being down so low in memory away from flash, I was just looking at the wrong manual :)
2016-02-15T18:51:05 < dongs> fucking aspie
2016-02-15T18:51:10 < ReadError> hmm this is odd
2016-02-15T18:51:27 < ReadError> never had my DMM show me negative resistance
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2016-02-15T18:52:23 < MightyPork> FatalNIX: might be worth a shot disassembling it and checking if the code looks right
2016-02-15T18:52:40 < MightyPork> arm-none-eabi-objdump -dS main.elf -j .text -j .isr_vector > main.dis
2016-02-15T18:52:47 < karlp> be faster just to use startup and linker fromt eh same source....
2016-02-15T18:53:25 < FatalNIX> karlp: issue is it just doesn't run from that one. That's all I'm trying to figure out It was flashing but in gdb I found out it wasn't even executing the code
2016-02-15T18:53:32 < FatalNIX> which makes me believe there's some linker issue (maybe)
2016-02-15T18:54:27 < karlp> and I'm telling you that linker scripts and startup code are _intertwined_ you can't just think you're going to fix one without knowing the other.
2016-02-15T19:10:24 < upgrdman> anyone know if this is better than the common imu+kalman filter technique? http://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/02/13/1928250/a-new-technique-makes-gps-accurate-to-an-inch
2016-02-15T19:11:56 < Laurenceb> probably not
2016-02-15T19:12:00 < Laurenceb> cuz slashdot
2016-02-15T19:13:53 < dongs> inch?
2016-02-15T19:13:58 < dongs> the fuck is that
2016-02-15T19:14:14 < upgrdman> 2.54cm
2016-02-15T19:15:35 < jpa-> i wonder if it actually has "inch level" accuracy over long time spans, or just until integration craps out
2016-02-15T19:16:03 < jpa-> because GPS doesn't average to inch precision over any short interval like 10 minutes, more like 10 days
2016-02-15T19:16:17 < jpa-> unless they also have dgps, in which case it is quite much "meh"
2016-02-15T19:17:32 < jpa-> (and a mems-based IMU is stable for a few minutes at most)
2016-02-15T19:19:32 < jpa-> one possible way would be to track carrier phase and just use the IMU to bridge over any multipath-induced fading or gaps in the signal
2016-02-15T19:19:41 < jpa-> but then you'd still need to get the initial position somehow
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2016-02-15T19:22:26 < Laurenceb> or its all just bs
2016-02-15T19:23:01 < jpa-> or that
2016-02-15T19:23:30 < jpa-> university publicity crap is nowadays even worse than science journalists
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2016-02-15T19:39:35 < BrainDamage> i remember reading this a while ago, which seemed ok, it also discusses the problems around ~2/3 of the article: http://gpsworld.com/accuracy-in-the-palm-of-your-hand/ and paper: http://radionavlab.ae.utexas.edu/images/stories/files/presentations/PesynaION2014_pres.pdf
2016-02-15T19:43:01 < jpa-> BrainDamage: interesting read
2016-02-15T19:44:03 < ambro718> is it possible that I'm getting a DMA FIFO error when sending blocks to SDIO because there is not sufficient time for DMA to fill up its FIFO before the SDIO starts requesting transfers from DMA? Should I wait a bit of time between enabling the DMA and enabling the SDIO data transfer for DMA to read some memory?
2016-02-15T19:44:38 < jpa-> ambro718: shouldn't SDIO just pause when it doesn't have data to transfer?
2016-02-15T19:45:03 < ambro718> jpa-: I haven't traced that ability in STM32's SDIO. I know that AT91 does that though.
2016-02-15T19:45:11 < jpa-> assuming you're running as SDIO master (does STM32 even have SDIO slave?)
2016-02-15T19:45:26 < ambro718> master
2016-02-15T19:45:57 < ambro718> from all I can tell from the docs in STM32F4, there is no mechanism to handle this issue
2016-02-15T19:46:07 < ambro718> i.e. the DMA must be fast enough
2016-02-15T19:46:32 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1455531444697.png
2016-02-15T19:47:39 < ambro718> AT91 reference has this specifically: " The two bits, RDPROOF and WRPROOF in the HSMCI Mode Register (HSMCI_MR) allow stopping the HSMCI Clock during read or write access if the internal FIFO is full. This will guar- antee data integrity, not bandwidth."
2016-02-15T19:49:37 < ambro718> I think it is expected that I only see this issue with sending and not receiving. When receiving, the DMA FIFO starts already empty and so able to handle transfers, but when sending it does not start already full.
2016-02-15T19:51:20 < MightyPork> maybe stupid question but does it make sense to use bit-banding in C?
2016-02-15T19:52:11 < jpa-> MightyPork: very rarely
2016-02-15T19:52:42 < jpa-> especially as GPIO already has the BSRR register built-in which is easier
2016-02-15T19:53:16 < MightyPork> I'm trying to figure out how to do "set bit in register to value" most elegantly
2016-02-15T19:53:40 < MightyPork> which is obviously "use bit banding", but the C code will look messy
2016-02-15T19:54:24 < jpa-> if you do it a lot, you'll just hide the mess in a function
2016-02-15T19:54:28 < jpa-> though i'd just use & and |
2016-02-15T19:54:50 < ambro718> typically one will see reg |= BIT_MASK; or reg &= ~BIT_MASK; possibly while interrupts are disabled if needed
2016-02-15T19:55:43 < jpa-> yeah, atomicityis pretty much the only time when bitbanding is useful for generic regs.. and then it only works for single bits
2016-02-15T19:55:59 < MightyPork> I remember there was some asm instruction for like "copy a bitfield" but that's probably too much effort for little gain
2016-02-15T19:56:02 < jpa-> so changing e.g. gpio pin mode register is still annoying
2016-02-15T19:56:16 < jpa-> MightyPork: gcc will automatically use that if you just & and shift
2016-02-15T19:56:36 < MightyPork> oh ok, nice
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2016-02-15T19:56:59 < ambro718> (uint32_t)1<<N is a constant expression and will 100% be precomputed by the compiler
2016-02-15T19:57:13 < ambro718> (if N is constant...)
2016-02-15T19:58:37 < MightyPork> so probably XY = (XY & ~(1 << n)) | ((value & 0x01) << n);
2016-02-15T19:59:01 < MightyPork> looks ugly a bit
2016-02-15T20:01:32 < jpa-> wrap in macro or function and be happy
2016-02-15T20:01:52 < jpa-> you can also just do    if (value) XY |= 1<<n; else XY &= ~(1 << n);
2016-02-15T20:02:38 < ambro718> or if you can do C++:  XY = set_bit<N>(XY);  with:  template<int Bit> uint32_t set_bit(uint32_t x, bool value) { if (value)  { return x|((uint32_t)1<<Bit); } else { return x & ~((uint32_t)1<<Bit); } }
2016-02-15T20:03:09 < ambro718> not sure if/else is more efficient or value<<N
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2016-02-15T20:03:47 < ambro718> and always do (uint32_t)1<<N because if do 1<<N that is typically undefined behavior for N==31
2016-02-15T20:03:51 < jpa-> on cortex-m, due to if/then instructions if/else is pretty efficient
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2016-02-15T20:18:21 < Laurenceb> http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1931525.pdf
2016-02-15T20:18:40 < Laurenceb> page 7, what are the RTS/CTS signals to do with?
2016-02-15T20:19:00 < Laurenceb> do they look like buffer status signals for the module or something else?
2016-02-15T20:19:13 < Laurenceb> I'm trying to avoid overfilling the Tx buffer
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2016-02-15T20:24:14 < Laurenceb> maybe time to email ST
2016-02-15T20:26:10 < jpa-> Laurenceb: did you check the spirit1 datasheet?
2016-02-15T20:26:31 < Laurenceb> yeah it says "reserved for future use" for those pins
2016-02-15T20:26:46 < Laurenceb> I think the dongle sheet is more up to date
2016-02-15T20:26:51 < jpa-> funny
2016-02-15T20:27:25 < Laurenceb> there doesnt seem to be a way to check for overfull transmit buffer in the spirit1 module datasheet :-/
2016-02-15T20:27:37 < Laurenceb> hopefully they implimented it with those pins
2016-02-15T20:32:52 < Laurenceb> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Serial-HOWTO-19.html
2016-02-15T20:32:58 < Laurenceb> could it be any more confusing
2016-02-15T20:33:30 < Laurenceb> no wonder we have usb
2016-02-15T20:34:43 < jpa-> no wonder we have usb and emulate serial over it
2016-02-15T20:34:52 < Laurenceb> ohhhhh  " Then when a DTE (such as a PC) wants to stop the flow into it, it negates RTS"
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2016-02-15T20:35:23 < Laurenceb> ok I think I understand, so spirit1 module pulls its RTS pin low when its Tx buffer is too full
2016-02-15T20:35:48 < Laurenceb> thats why RTS pin is an output
2016-02-15T20:38:03 < Laurenceb> ok looks like it does have buffer management
2016-02-15T20:38:33 < jpa-> if the spirit1 module has stm32 on it like it seems from the SWD pins, it will wiggle RTS around like crazy
2016-02-15T20:38:55 < Laurenceb> why?
2016-02-15T20:39:17 < Laurenceb> cuz ST cant code for shit?
2016-02-15T20:39:35 < jpa-> every time the USART shift register fills, it will wiggle it up until DMA reads the RX data register and it will wiggle it down and hope no-one noticed
2016-02-15T20:39:59 < Laurenceb> nah it'll be software controlled
2016-02-15T20:40:17 < jpa-> probably if they've bothered
2016-02-15T20:40:24 < jpa-> because the hardware rts is wiggly :)
2016-02-15T20:40:41 < Laurenceb> well it'll be based on the internal state machine
2016-02-15T20:40:48 < Laurenceb> all the ARQ and whatnot
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2016-02-15T20:47:48 < Laurenceb> Assume that we connect two PCs (PC1 and PC2) together via their serial ports. Then it's RTS(PC1)-->CTS(PC2) and CTS(PC1)<--RTS(PC2)
2016-02-15T20:47:57 < Laurenceb> ok that explains the weird dongle schematic
2016-02-15T20:48:31 < jpa-> the names "request to send" and "clear to send" are totally self-explanatory and should cause no confusion
2016-02-15T20:48:56 < Laurenceb> yup lol
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2016-02-15T20:49:22 < Laurenceb> I _think_ I need to tie pin 16 to ground
2016-02-15T20:49:40 < Laurenceb> as cp2102 datasheet says signals are "active low"
2016-02-15T20:49:58 < Laurenceb> so module "CTS" should be grounded?
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2016-02-15T20:55:40 < karlp> Laurenceb: either turn off hardware flow control, or use it. if you turn it off, CTS doesn't matter.
2016-02-15T20:55:53 < karlp> if you have hardware flow control, and you don't give it the right signals, it's going to be shit
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2016-02-15T21:16:37 < englishman> ok who is smart today
2016-02-15T21:16:50 < englishman> i have uint8_t array[47] that causes all sorts of problems similar to stack issues
2016-02-15T21:17:00 < englishman> when i change it to uint8_t array[48] everything is ok
2016-02-15T21:18:04 < englishman> with [47] it hardfaults when writing to another variable in stack not in this array
2016-02-15T21:20:49 < Steffanx> dont distract Tectu please. He is gaming.
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2016-02-15T21:40:58 < zyp> Steffanx, no, he's busy trying to sell me on kawaiigfx
2016-02-15T21:42:38 < Steffanx> i see.
2016-02-15T21:45:44 < Steffanx> does it work with laks?
2016-02-15T21:50:30 < zyp> idk, haven't even looked at that part yet
2016-02-15T21:51:31 < zyp> so far it sounds like the lib does a lot of stuff that I don't need, and making it do exactly what I want might be as much work as doing it from scratch
2016-02-15T21:52:55 < Steffanx> How can you say that? ugfx is as lightweight as you want it to be.
2016-02-15T21:54:34 < zyp> adding a third party dependency and fitting it into my build system and maintaining the relationship takes work
2016-02-15T21:55:14 < Steffanx> Just say "hi" to Tectu and the relation part is ok.
2016-02-15T21:55:39 < Tectu> LOL
2016-02-15T21:55:41 < zyp> and I didn't say anything about it being too heavy, just possibly not worth the work
2016-02-15T21:56:05 < Steffanx> Ok, i can do that part for you.
2016-02-15T21:59:37 < Ecco> Hi Tectu  :)
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2016-02-15T22:01:08 < Steffanx> you received and tried those tiny displays yet jpa-?
2016-02-15T22:02:25 < Tectu> hey Ecco :)
2016-02-15T22:07:47 < zyp> Steffanx, which tiny displays?
2016-02-15T22:17:33 < Steffanx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/371161579196 zyp
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2016-02-15T22:23:35 < zyp> ah
2016-02-15T22:23:41 < zyp> larger than the one I'm currently playing with
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2016-02-15T22:37:59 < kakimir> hello sexuals
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2016-02-15T22:38:26 < Tectu> do jpa- got a larger one than zyp?
2016-02-15T22:38:35 < Tectu> is that a result of the half breed russian thing?
2016-02-15T22:39:04 < zyp> :p
2016-02-15T22:39:15 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2GcdpJiNGfKNFZLVDREZ0JPVms&usp=sharing it's to be painted
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2016-02-15T22:42:52 < Tectu> kakimir, I get a feeling that you are holding your camera more in your hand than your tools :P
2016-02-15T22:43:09 < kakimir> sometimes
2016-02-15T22:43:20 < kakimir> camera is a tool too
2016-02-15T22:44:01 < kakimir> in potato documentation project
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2016-02-15T22:45:03 < kakimir> these shitty projects are not paying themselfs
2016-02-15T22:45:14 < kakimir> better do some shitty docu out of them
2016-02-15T22:45:33 < Steffanx> Once you go black you never go back kakimir?
2016-02-15T22:45:46 < kakimir> black everything
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2016-02-15T22:59:48 < Tectu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96EChBYVFhU
2016-02-15T23:01:34 < Steffanx> [spam]
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2016-02-15T23:05:55 < kakimir> I wonder if normal pistol round in central mass would drop special forces guys
2016-02-15T23:06:26 < kakimir> I bet it does nothing
2016-02-15T23:07:41 < kakimir> funny thing when I was in army there is no bulletproof anything for normal ground force
2016-02-15T23:08:38 < kakimir> helmet may stop something
2016-02-15T23:09:26 < Tectu> may stop a bullet but crack your skull at the same time?
2016-02-15T23:09:42 < kakimir> may stop small bullet and crack your skull
2016-02-15T23:09:57 < kakimir> helmet was kevlar
2016-02-15T23:10:07 < kakimir> quite thick
2016-02-15T23:10:42 < Steffanx> Just be nice to the russians and you are safe kakimir
2016-02-15T23:11:22 < kakimir> yes
2016-02-15T23:11:28 < kakimir> it can be hard sometimes
2016-02-15T23:13:37 < BrainDamage> helmets don't stop bullets, but deflect some angles
2016-02-15T23:14:04 < kakimir> that propably is the purpose of stiff composite
2016-02-15T23:14:58 < kakimir> and also to slow down shrapnell that comes in direct angle
2016-02-15T23:16:50 < kakimir> best tactics after all is to not be in down range at all
2016-02-15T23:17:45 < kakimir> you are to become meat pieces
2016-02-15T23:22:13 < karlp> BrainDamage: thanks for that gps piece, good read
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2016-02-15T23:42:53 < englishman> the only thing that can stop bullets is more bullets
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2016-02-15T23:44:45 < englishman> hmm, the 1st person view scene from DOOM Starring Dwane Johnson was so good, someone decided to make a movie out of it
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2016-02-15T23:46:31 < englishman> Tectu was only 10 years old when that movie came out, so i wouldnt expect him to get the reference
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2016-02-15T23:48:35 < Tectu> englishman, I know that movie pretty well :)
2016-02-15T23:48:38 < Tectu> englishman, seen it several times
2016-02-15T23:48:43 < englishman> hehe
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2016-02-15T23:56:29 < englishman> unsigned int foo : 11;
2016-02-15T23:56:41 < englishman> what is this feature called?
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2016-02-16T00:00:08 < ReadError> CONFIRMATION OF REGISTRATION
2016-02-16T00:00:08 < ReadError> 0x0111 ^ 0x1010 = ?:
2016-02-16T00:00:09 < ReadError> This question is a means of preventing automated form submissions by spambots.
2016-02-16T00:00:16 < ReadError> lol wtf forum
2016-02-16T00:08:06 < englishman> bitfields
2016-02-16T00:08:09 < englishman> thanks me
2016-02-16T00:08:47 < englishman> ReadError: 1101 duh
2016-02-16T00:08:53 < ReadError> ya
2016-02-16T00:09:00 < englishman> u robot
2016-02-16T00:09:02 < ReadError> its just a pretty strange captcha
2016-02-16T00:11:43 < Laurenceb_> russian neo-nazi porn girls
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2016-02-16T00:23:29 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/RVSvu.jpg
2016-02-16T00:23:35 < ReadError> i cant figure out wtf is happening
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2016-02-16T00:23:57 < ReadError> this one particular variable is getting fubar'd
2016-02-16T00:24:12 < ReadError> its only declared in this spot and its the only one thats getting messed up
2016-02-16T00:25:40 < ReadError> if i increase the array and move it to the end, its completely fine
2016-02-16T00:25:44 < ReadError> real nut scratcher
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2016-02-16T00:53:12 < jadew> I got goosebumps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfgsQX78hg8
2016-02-16T00:55:14 < jadew> towards the end there's a shot of a guy with his mouth open lol
2016-02-16T00:55:22 < jadew> (from the audience)
2016-02-16T00:55:40 < jadew> I guess that presentation dropped a few jaws
2016-02-16T01:08:30 < kakimir> is there a reason not to use high side switching in low currents
2016-02-16T01:08:36 < kakimir> like leds and stuff?
2016-02-16T01:09:16 < aandrew> no, it's just more difficult usually becuase your switch usually is referenced to the low side
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2016-02-16T01:09:41 < kakimir> yes that..
2016-02-16T01:10:02 < kakimir> but if we don't leave logic voltage level
2016-02-16T01:13:00 < kakimir> if you stay on count of voltage levels and do not that way fuk it up
2016-02-16T01:14:34 < aandrew> hm?
2016-02-16T01:17:06 < kakimir> you have 5volt switching and 3v3 logic
2016-02-16T01:17:19 < kakimir> with logic level pmos you have failed
2016-02-16T01:17:41 < kakimir> if you don't notice it
2016-02-16T01:23:59 < kakimir> fuccken 3rd party library has some mess with pmos part
2016-02-16T01:24:16 < kakimir> some lazy copy of nmos
2016-02-16T01:24:48 < kakimir> trap for young players and makers
2016-02-16T01:27:36 < ReadError> ok dave jones
2016-02-16T01:31:26 < kakimir> when you google image search p mosfet ~half of stuff is wrong
2016-02-16T01:31:59 < kakimir> faulty symbols are widelly deployes
2016-02-16T01:32:04 < kakimir> *d
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2016-02-16T01:34:56 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdEQySnhxNXJiNnc/view?usp=sharing
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2016-02-16T01:37:38 < kakimir> actually I'm confused now
2016-02-16T01:38:45 < kakimir> the symbol is okay
2016-02-16T01:40:40 < kakimir> my fault
2016-02-16T01:52:21 < MightyPork> "great.. tried connecting an ESP8266 to my board. regulator/caps totally can't deal with it..
2016-02-16T01:52:32 < MightyPork> anyone used it? how do you block it?
2016-02-16T01:52:58 < MightyPork> got 100n + 10u on it but clearly not enough
2016-02-16T01:53:23 < kakimir> you need caps directly to it
2016-02-16T01:54:02 < kakimir> those things have some current peaks to them
2016-02-16T01:54:29 < MightyPork> yea peaks like hell. I have a scope on the Vdd
2016-02-16T01:54:37 < MightyPork> drops to almost 2V
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2016-02-16T01:55:21 < englishman> then why are you worried about decoupling, clearly there are larger issues
2016-02-16T01:55:33 < MightyPork> okay so more caps.. will solder some straight on top of the module I guess. could 100n cover it?
2016-02-16T01:56:05 < MightyPork> englishman: it's spikes. then gets back to 3.2 something
2016-02-16T01:56:25 < MightyPork> but I probably fucked up the trails
2016-02-16T01:56:27 < MightyPork> first board..
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2016-02-16T02:09:58 < MightyPork> kakimir: any cap recommendations please? Tried 100n, 22n, totally didn't work
2016-02-16T02:10:30 < MightyPork> I thought smaller = faster = better to cover peaks, but I must be wrong
2016-02-16T02:11:03 < kakimir> how close it is to connector?
2016-02-16T02:11:07 < kakimir> those caps
2016-02-16T02:11:41 < MightyPork> the 10u+100n are some 5 mm, and now I also soldered 22n on top of the header
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2016-02-16T02:15:15 < kakimir> and the trace width?
2016-02-16T02:15:40 < MightyPork> 20 mils I think
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2016-02-16T02:19:09 < kakimir> other devices consuming power?
2016-02-16T02:20:34 < MightyPork> no not really. there's the f303 and some status LEDs with 1k
2016-02-16T02:20:40 < kakimir> I think local 10/22µF should do and supply should have some proper decoupling
2016-02-16T02:20:51 < kakimir> not minimum
2016-02-16T02:21:24 < kakimir> if there is some LDO.. 0.1µF output decoupling doesn't cut it
2016-02-16T02:21:27 < MightyPork> thanks I'll try that. the decoupling is generally sub-par, we had only 10u/10V's
2016-02-16T02:21:48 < kakimir> what is the supply?
2016-02-16T02:21:49 < MightyPork> yep LD33 and L50
2016-02-16T02:23:01 < MightyPork> will try to slap some larger caps there and see
2016-02-16T02:23:27 < kakimir> LD33 needs 22µF minimum
2016-02-16T02:23:32 < kakimir> what is ridiculous
2016-02-16T02:23:44 < kakimir> wait
2016-02-16T02:23:48 < kakimir> it was AMS
2016-02-16T02:24:02 < kakimir> LD33 is 10µF
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2016-02-16T02:24:05 < kakimir> minimum
2016-02-16T02:24:10 < MightyPork> then I have it right. well, minimum
2016-02-16T02:24:52 < MightyPork> should've given more care to the supply design
2016-02-16T02:26:11 < kakimir> why 20mils trace for power?
2016-02-16T02:27:13 < kakimir> I think those radio chips may go momenterally in hundreds of milliamps
2016-02-16T02:28:10 < MightyPork> main reason is I have no experience
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2016-02-16T02:31:44 < MightyPork> tbf I'm a bit surprised at least the micro works.
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2016-02-16T02:37:10 < MightyPork> 100µF made a huge difference
2016-02-16T02:37:19 < MightyPork> will try larger
2016-02-16T02:39:33 < kakimir> well if you go many times larger than that it's not good
2016-02-16T02:40:43 < MightyPork> many times = ? Was thinking 220 or 470
2016-02-16T02:41:39 < MightyPork> currently voltage drops to 2.45 when I restart it with AT+RST, then spikes ~ 2.76. that's probably ok
2016-02-16T02:44:24 < kakimir> what are you supplying your ldo with?
2016-02-16T02:44:34 < kakimir> add 10uF input cap to LDO
2016-02-16T02:44:47 < kakimir> or more
2016-02-16T02:46:09 < kakimir> 220 is .. maybe.. 470 sounds ridiculous
2016-02-16T02:46:54 < MightyPork> kinda hard to change the caps, it's all smd
2016-02-16T02:46:59 < MightyPork> but I'll try I guess
2016-02-16T02:47:07 < kakimir> do you have input cap?
2016-02-16T02:47:18 < MightyPork> yes, but it's small
2016-02-16T02:47:20 < MightyPork> 10u
2016-02-16T02:47:49 < kakimir> whay do you have down the line?
2016-02-16T02:47:59 < upgrdman_> https://i.imgur.com/T1LjuMR.jpg
2016-02-16T02:48:00 < MightyPork> atcually the whole thing is probably sub-optimal. I have 6V input -> LF50 -> LD33
2016-02-16T02:48:46 < MightyPork> what do you mean down the line?
2016-02-16T02:48:55 < kakimir> just that
2016-02-16T02:49:03 < kakimir> you have them chained?
2016-02-16T02:49:07 < MightyPork> yes
2016-02-16T02:49:13 < MightyPork> need the 5V for opamp
2016-02-16T02:49:20 < MightyPork> otherwise it comes straight from USB
2016-02-16T02:49:28 < MightyPork> this is for external supply input
2016-02-16T02:50:34 < kakimir> measure your 5volt line
2016-02-16T02:50:53 < kakimir> while loaded
2016-02-16T02:51:00 < MightyPork> as in w/ scope or just level?
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2016-02-16T02:51:19 < kakimir> scope
2016-02-16T02:51:25 < kakimir> and level with scope
2016-02-16T02:52:44 < kakimir> or level without scope
2016-02-16T02:53:31 < MightyPork> a sec, trying to figure out how to get the probe there
2016-02-16T02:54:21 < kakimir> the point is
2016-02-16T02:54:28 < kakimir> you don't get 5volt
2016-02-16T02:54:43 < MightyPork> no, I get 5.6
2016-02-16T02:55:09 < kakimir> what kind of USB you have?
2016-02-16T02:55:13 < MightyPork> then again the scope may be off somehow
2016-02-16T02:55:25 < MightyPork> oh it's powered from the external source currently
2016-02-16T02:55:41 < kakimir> okay drop source to 5V
2016-02-16T02:55:58 < MightyPork> this is what the regulator makes from it. kinda weird
2016-02-16T02:56:57 < MightyPork> okay got steady 5V on the "5V" now
2016-02-16T02:57:07 < kakimir> scope scaling may show weird readings dependings of scale
2016-02-16T02:57:51 < kakimir> what you input there?
2016-02-16T02:57:57 < kakimir> 6volts?
2016-02-16T02:58:24 < MightyPork> 5.3 now
2016-02-16T02:58:46 < MightyPork> idk why the 5V regulator was making 5.6 from 7 before
2016-02-16T02:58:56 < MightyPork> there should be enough current
2016-02-16T02:59:43 < kakimir> MightyPork: tune in 5volt input
2016-02-16T03:02:30 < kakimir> then measure 5volt line while loading 3V3 line
2016-02-16T03:03:24 < kakimir> the point is voltage drop of LF50 is .45volts @ 200mA
2016-02-16T03:03:53 < kakimir> sorry 0.2volts
2016-02-16T03:04:07 < kakimir> .4volts @ 500mA
2016-02-16T03:04:19 < kakimir> you have load regulated 5volt line then
2016-02-16T03:04:26 < upgrdman_> neat  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2qr-SFiIgU
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2016-02-16T03:04:46 < MightyPork> I tried it and didn't observe any drop
2016-02-16T03:07:12 < kakimir> constant.. 5volts?
2016-02-16T03:07:39 < MightyPork> looked like that, but the scope is garbage
2016-02-16T03:10:53 < kakimir> every 100mA you load it drops .1V from input voltage
2016-02-16T03:11:43 < kakimir> USB is anything 4.75 - 5.25 volts
2016-02-16T03:12:11 < MightyPork> I'm powering it with 6.5V now, 5V line is 5.3
2016-02-16T03:12:43 < MightyPork> but it's a hard supply
2016-02-16T03:12:49 < kakimir> it should not be
2016-02-16T03:13:21 < MightyPork> I'm assuming the socpe is 300 mV off
2016-02-16T03:13:46 < kakimir> use multimeter
2016-02-16T03:14:20 < MightyPork> okay thats more like it.  5.03
2016-02-16T03:14:36 < MightyPork> 3v3 line is 3.27
2016-02-16T03:15:56 < kakimir> tune in 5volt to input
2016-02-16T03:18:11 < kakimir> actually.. try 4.75v
2016-02-16T03:18:46 < MightyPork> it has ~100 mV drop with 5V at input
2016-02-16T03:18:59 < MightyPork> (the LF50, that is)
2016-02-16T03:19:05 < kakimir> it should
2016-02-16T03:20:56 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/15/github_sourceforge_both_say_sorry_to_aggrieved_users/
2016-02-16T03:20:59 < dongs> lol
2016-02-16T03:21:02 < dongs> time to check freelancer
2016-02-16T03:21:17 < kakimir> I just realized it's possible to measure across the LDO between input and output
2016-02-16T03:21:28 < kakimir> if you have isolated supply
2016-02-16T03:21:42 < MightyPork> would work with the multimeter, yea
2016-02-16T03:21:46 < kakimir> with scope sp
2016-02-16T03:23:56 < MightyPork> the 5V line is really unstable (changes as I'm blinking the LEDs)
2016-02-16T03:24:03 < MightyPork> so I guess more caps there also
2016-02-16T03:24:39 < kakimir> there
2016-02-16T03:24:54 < kakimir> no no...
2016-02-16T03:25:11 < kakimir> you cut that 33 our from the chain
2016-02-16T03:25:30 < kakimir> then jump wire it's input to that supply input
2016-02-16T03:25:38 < kakimir> out*
2016-02-16T03:25:48 < kakimir> bodge wire*
2016-02-16T03:26:37 < kakimir> there is absolute no gains chaining LDOs
2016-02-16T03:26:52 < kakimir> unless required by input voltages or so
2016-02-16T03:27:23 < MightyPork> I have the schematic here, maybe you'll see the idea (not the best one) http://data.ondrovo.com/f/meas_v01_final.pdf
2016-02-16T03:27:46 < MightyPork> disregard the diodes, they are nonsense and not actually there
2016-02-16T03:28:45 < MightyPork> the Switch selects whether to use the 5V reg. output or USB power
2016-02-16T03:29:03 < MightyPork> and that then goes to the Opamp as supply, and is further regulated to 3V3
2016-02-16T03:30:28 < kakimir> what is VEXT if not usb?
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2016-02-16T03:30:59 < MightyPork> there's a connector for external power brick
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2016-02-16T03:31:59 < MightyPork> usb connector is on the page with the micro
2016-02-16T03:33:29 < kakimir> PWR SELECT should select between V_EXT and usb
2016-02-16T03:34:00 < kakimir> for 33 regulator
2016-02-16T03:34:02 < MightyPork> the thing is I want the 5V
2016-02-16T03:34:32 < kakimir> have another select for it
2016-02-16T03:34:42 < MightyPork> but you're right that the 33 should take whatever input is used directly
2016-02-16T03:35:08 < kakimir> ldo chaining turns voltages into poopoo
2016-02-16T03:36:06 < kakimir> if input voltages are low and currents high
2016-02-16T03:36:50 < kakimir> why you have option to have external voltage?
2016-02-16T03:37:32 < MightyPork> well it was meant to have some webserver on the ESP and be standalone
2016-02-16T03:37:49 < MightyPork> but it's all starting to look like complete crap design
2016-02-16T03:38:22 < kakimir> why.. does it connect to usb and have standalone webserver
2016-02-16T03:38:44 < kakimir> what is this
2016-02-16T03:39:47 < MightyPork> the usb is for development and stuff (well I hoped to get the DFU working but it ain't). should've had also ACM / usb serial
2016-02-16T03:39:57 < kakimir> okay DFU
2016-02-16T03:40:03 < kakimir> cool
2016-02-16T03:41:39 < kakimir> what are those coil things?
2016-02-16T03:41:42 < kakimir> ferrites?
2016-02-16T03:41:52 < MightyPork> yea
2016-02-16T03:42:10 < MightyPork> they work nice, but are misplaced kinda. I fucked up the supply really bad
2016-02-16T03:42:39 < MightyPork> to give some background, it's a school project. Last semester I had a course on PCB design, and they made the boards we designed for free. But obviously I had no idea how to do the power supply etc... so here we are
2016-02-16T03:43:03 < MightyPork> the analog part will no way get any kind of accuracy with this layout
2016-02-16T03:43:27 < kakimir> pics of board?
2016-02-16T03:44:42 < kakimir> is this to be powered with usb in operation?
2016-02-16T03:45:00 < MightyPork> trying to find some pic that isn't garbage..
2016-02-16T03:45:07 < MightyPork> it was meant to run from the external supply
2016-02-16T03:45:24 < MightyPork> but both were hoped for to work
2016-02-16T03:46:41 < MightyPork> here's the pic: http://data.ondrovo.com/i/CafPLAyWAAEyZFH.jpg
2016-02-16T03:48:17 < MightyPork> another http://data.ondrovo.com/i/Cad6l5sWIAAsWn1.jpg
2016-02-16T03:51:01 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKXzdRVDl1bEYyUUE/view?usp=sharing here bodge plans
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2016-02-16T03:51:30 < MightyPork> heres also the layout http://data.ondrovo.com/i/board-layout.png
2016-02-16T03:52:18 < MightyPork> kakimir: does the 5V from USB need the regulator?
2016-02-16T03:52:37 < MightyPork> not like it hurts anything, just wondering..
2016-02-16T03:53:40 < kakimir> it might even hurt if there is loads
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2016-02-16T03:53:57 < kakimir> nive looking layout
2016-02-16T03:54:00 < kakimir> nice
2016-02-16T03:54:08 < kakimir> so much color
2016-02-16T03:54:12 < MightyPork> it's just for the one opamp, so no big currents in it
2016-02-16T03:54:19 < englishman> I hear github will introduce automatic gender-agnostic suggestions for variable names and functions
2016-02-16T03:54:43 < MightyPork> many colors but shit design :D
2016-02-16T03:54:52 < kakimir> I need to talk to kicad devs noW I have seen colors in EDAs
2016-02-16T03:55:08 < kakimir> let's break kicad please
2016-02-16T03:55:57 < kakimir> there is more complexity to pass the 5volt regu than not to
2016-02-16T03:56:14 < kakimir> and when you forget that pass on
2016-02-16T03:56:28 < kakimir> power it with 12volts
2016-02-16T03:58:49 < MightyPork> huh?
2016-02-16T03:59:29 < MightyPork> btw the bodge will be really hard to do, it's all on the top side
2016-02-16T04:00:28 < MightyPork> well whatev, maybe for next board revision if there's ever any
2016-02-16T04:02:05 < kakimir> why you need 5volt regu with OP213?
2016-02-16T04:02:53 < MightyPork> it can't run from 3V, can it?
2016-02-16T04:03:42 < kakimir> it can run from single supply all the way to 36volts
2016-02-16T04:04:09 < MightyPork> needs at least 4V
2016-02-16T04:04:35 < MightyPork> well yea, but shouldn't the supply be stable?
2016-02-16T04:04:58 < kakimir> somewhat
2016-02-16T04:06:19 < kakimir> in current configuration
2016-02-16T04:06:43 < kakimir> it isn't
2016-02-16T04:06:51 < MightyPork> no, it absolutely isn't
2016-02-16T04:06:58 < kakimir> 5volt line is straigth from LD33 input
2016-02-16T04:07:05 < kakimir> without filterings
2016-02-16T04:07:08 < kakimir> to opamp
2016-02-16T04:07:16 < MightyPork> yes thats the main fuckup I mentioned
2016-02-16T04:07:25 < MightyPork> gonna get garbage on output
2016-02-16T04:07:33 < MightyPork> instead of precision measurements
2016-02-16T04:08:16 < kakimir> C15 is quite poor
2016-02-16T04:08:18 < kakimir> 10n
2016-02-16T04:08:31 < kakimir> throw some 100n at least
2016-02-16T04:08:44 < kakimir> or 1µF
2016-02-16T04:09:22 < MightyPork> they're actually mostly 100n on the board
2016-02-16T04:09:50 < MightyPork> should be easy to bodge some elyt there though
2016-02-16T04:09:59 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/i3zBWIm.gifv
2016-02-16T04:13:26 < MightyPork> kakimir: to sum it up, this is the way it should've been, right? http://data.ondrovo.com/i/schem2.png
2016-02-16T04:14:10 < kakimir> ye
2016-02-16T04:14:40 < MightyPork> oke thanks
2016-02-16T04:14:58 < kakimir> rite upgrdman ?
2016-02-16T04:16:59 < upgrdman> looks like that "large-ass elyt" is upside down
2016-02-16T04:17:11 < kakimir> yes
2016-02-16T04:17:36 < kakimir> and it should be.. just decent size
2016-02-16T04:17:52 < kakimir> not 1000uF is needed in this application
2016-02-16T04:18:13 < MightyPork> I'm not sure how this symbol works lol.. normally I use the one w/ the thick plus line
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2016-02-16T04:18:36 < MightyPork> like 220 sounds ok?
2016-02-16T04:18:46 < kakimir> ye
2016-02-16T04:18:50 < MightyPork> cool
2016-02-16T04:20:51 < kakimir> nice boot switch
2016-02-16T04:22:06 < MightyPork> they're pretty cool, better than jumper
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2016-02-16T04:24:07 < kakimir> you have some low-esr elyts?
2016-02-16T04:24:51 < MightyPork> like on the board or available?
2016-02-16T04:25:00 < kakimir> available
2016-02-16T04:26:06 < kakimir> some elyts have just ridiculous esr
2016-02-16T04:26:06 < MightyPork> tbf no clue, I have a good stash of caps, but don't know their params besides whats written on them
2016-02-16T04:27:57 < MightyPork> I have some tantals, but only small
2016-02-16T04:28:12 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZVhuY2gyZDhFM1U/view?usp=sharing under 3amperes of max ripple current in those caps total
2016-02-16T04:28:38 < kakimir> general un-usable caps
2016-02-16T04:29:23 < kakimir> bought some 1000uF caps with same ripple per one
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2016-02-16T04:30:52 < kakimir> totally worth that 1-2eur per piece
2016-02-16T04:32:30 < MightyPork> whats that thing for?
2016-02-16T04:33:46 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKYzZjenduNmVzSHM/view?usp=sharing
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2016-02-16T04:34:47 < kakimir> to burn down some poor caravan
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2016-02-16T04:35:13 < kakimir> while controlling ventilation fan
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2016-02-16T04:48:12 < kakimir> MightyPork: have you come to conclusion?
2016-02-16T05:01:12 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Modification-Existing-Printed-Circuit/
2016-02-16T05:03:11 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Photoshop/Product-design-electronic-product/ haha
2016-02-16T05:06:29 < kakimir> http://static.naamapalmu.com/files/jr/big/ggmc9vxa.jpg
2016-02-16T05:19:21 < dongs> https://angel.co/sebastian-antony why is this guy on feelancer lol
2016-02-16T05:32:33 < kakimir> for visibility?
2016-02-16T05:33:25 < kakimir> for negative pr?
2016-02-16T05:55:03 < aandrew> dongs: that second one is awesome
2016-02-16T06:08:06 < kakimir> hah.. us airforce has invited itself to finnish airforce air exercise in air base 20km from here in this spring
2016-02-16T06:08:45 < kakimir> our swedish defence minister doesn't see any problem in it
2016-02-16T06:10:19 < kakimir> maybe it's his invetions
2016-02-16T06:10:53 < kakimir> note: finland is not nato
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2016-02-16T06:13:59 < kakimir> I tho
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2016-02-16T06:15:58 < kakimir> nuthin
2016-02-16T06:16:58 < kakimir> what to think
2016-02-16T06:19:25 < kakimir> better buy some camping gear
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2016-02-16T06:40:02 < dongs> aandrew: let me bid for it so i can get paid even less than burger flippers at mcdonalds
2016-02-16T06:42:17 < aandrew> maybe he's asking you to bid on how much you want in order to hear the rest of it
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2016-02-16T07:16:25 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/roJZeur.png
2016-02-16T07:16:27 < dongs> altidong
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2016-02-16T07:19:25 < jpa-> Steffanx: i did receive them and soldered one on, but it's a bit problematic as i'm not sure which bus mode it is configured into; should try them all
2016-02-16T07:21:48 < jpa-> (well, one can atleast hope it is in 8 bit mode :)
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2016-02-16T09:06:37 < dongs> where are pro chats
2016-02-16T09:06:48 < crt> wat
2016-02-16T09:06:51 < upgrdman> wut
2016-02-16T09:07:13 < jpa-> pro chatters are busy idling
2016-02-16T09:07:43 < dongs> or trolling
2016-02-16T09:07:47 < crt> the dogs
2016-02-16T09:08:37 < crt> i defeated the jbc salesman today
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2016-02-16T09:18:43 < PeterM> crt how? blowtorch?
2016-02-16T09:19:06 < crt> he bought a precision hot air (TE series)
2016-02-16T09:19:20 < crt> let him try it out with a TQFP144 on an 8 layer board
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2016-02-16T09:20:14 < jpa-> why would he agree, using wrong tool for the job?
2016-02-16T09:20:54 < crt> idk lol
2016-02-16T09:21:16 < crt> he's the expert right?
2016-02-16T09:21:29 < jpa-> no, he's the salesman
2016-02-16T09:22:19 < upgrdman> how would a hot air station quality affect rework speed? i mean, if a given volume of air is coming out, at a given temp... it should be the same? obviously a quality setup will last longer, feel nicer in the hand, etc, but rework speed?
2016-02-16T09:23:01 < jpa-> upgrdman: being able to direct the hot air to specific part instead of melting all the things?
2016-02-16T09:23:15 < jpa-> and being able to get enough hot air out when needed, and at slow enough speed
2016-02-16T09:23:16 < dongs> isnt that kinda the point of hot air rework thingies
2016-02-16T09:23:20 < zyp> I would guess that that given temp is not necessarily all that given on a low quality station
2016-02-16T09:23:21 < upgrdman> jpa-, even china858 comes with like 3 tips of different sizes
2016-02-16T09:23:33 < jpa-> upgrdman: all of which are crap? ;)
2016-02-16T09:23:48 < jpa-> but yeah, never been much of a fan of hot air so can't speak from experience
2016-02-16T09:24:09 < jpa-> one could make the same argument for soldering irons, yet between those there are clear differences
2016-02-16T09:24:10 < upgrdman> jpa-, probably :) i've only ever used 858 trash. but really not sure how a quality one would be faster.
2016-02-16T09:24:12 < zyp> me neither, but I've never used a quality hot air station :p
2016-02-16T09:24:40 < dongs> it depends hjow fucking pro you are
2016-02-16T09:24:48 < dongs> i saw some dudes reworking shit with a superghetto nonbrand rework station
2016-02-16T09:24:55 < dongs> they were popping parts out with hot air within seconds
2016-02-16T09:25:00 < crt> yihua 858 is the bomb mate
2016-02-16T09:25:02 < dongs> and using hueg tip irons to melt stuff and shit
2016-02-16T09:25:11 < crt> i use it in my repair shop
2016-02-16T09:25:12 < upgrdman> i can understand the argment about irons because of temp control when the tip touches stuff. but hot air temp control should be much easier since the fresh air temp will be ~constant?
2016-02-16T09:25:18 < crt> rippin up dem soic16z n shit brah
2016-02-16T09:25:34 < crt> works beautifully for that calibre of hot air rework
2016-02-16T09:26:12 < upgrdman> i was super pro at work last week. removed an lqfp100 with a fucking shit weller iron with a conical tip.
2016-02-16T09:26:25 < upgrdman> and the chip still worked after i removed it too :)
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2016-02-16T09:26:35 < crt> nice
2016-02-16T09:26:45 < crt> did you use lowmelt soldr?
2016-02-16T09:26:51 < upgrdman> no
2016-02-16T09:27:02 < crt> i see
2016-02-16T09:27:03 < upgrdman> just some old spool of multicore that was on the bench
2016-02-16T09:27:10 < crt> 60/40 mate?
2016-02-16T09:27:11 < upgrdman> 63/37
2016-02-16T09:27:15 < crt> eutectic!
2016-02-16T09:27:18 < crt> crazy man
2016-02-16T09:27:22 < PeterM> eutectic for lyfe
2016-02-16T09:27:22 < upgrdman> super
2016-02-16T09:27:48 < crt> which lead free alloys do you ppl prefer
2016-02-16T09:27:51 < PeterM> use it to calibrate your iron, 182c cannot melt, 183c can melt
2016-02-16T09:27:56 < crt> i'm looking to move into lead free
2016-02-16T09:28:23 < PeterM> sac305 is industry standard iirc
2016-02-16T09:28:29 < upgrdman> i've only ever used one pb-free solder, and it was when i was in shanghai. dont recall the brand, but i have this feeling it was "mechanic" or someshit
2016-02-16T09:28:30 < crt> yeah i've heard about that much
2016-02-16T09:28:44 < crt> i've noticed the cheap 'silver free' solder is quite common in shit shops
2016-02-16T09:28:47 < upgrdman> and it worked fine for me
2016-02-16T09:28:50 < crt> yeah
2016-02-16T09:29:21 < crt> i have this crappy jaycar solder which is tin with a touch of copper in it
2016-02-16T09:36:12 < upgrdman> lolwut  http://dangerousprototypes.com/wp-content/media/2016/02/TREE-ORGAN-PROTOTYPE-600x449.jpg
2016-02-16T09:36:40 < upgrdman> “Musical trees” is a part of creative arts installation and this project is capable to produce different audio tones by detecting human touch to its attached plants. Existing version of this driver is capable to monitor 8 plants and produce different sounds for each plant.
2016-02-16T09:36:40 < upgrdman> This project is build around PIC16F628A
2016-02-16T09:36:44 < upgrdman> ... gay
2016-02-16T09:37:14 < crt> awesome/// / /bfdhdfkgh4
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2016-02-16T10:04:34 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/building-portable-laptop-tracker-using/
2016-02-16T10:04:45 < dongs> > i need a simple hand held GPS tracking device that can identify my IP address of my laptop using RF transmission
2016-02-16T10:04:52 < dongs> > identify my IP address of my laptop using RF transmission
2016-02-16T10:04:58 < dongs> > RF transmission
2016-02-16T10:05:00 < dongs> just
2016-02-16T10:05:00 < dongs> wow
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2016-02-16T11:20:01 < crt> penis
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2016-02-16T11:57:21 < karlp> MightyPork: are you just measuring current via the CT on that board you pasted? I don't see any main phase voltage input?
2016-02-16T12:18:12 < jpa-> any ideas what could cause this: after short (some milliseconds) power glitch, STM32F4 HSE stops working until power is removed and returned; NRST reset does not recover it
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2016-02-16T12:18:27 < jpa-> seems strange that the HSE or the PLL would have any state that would persist over NRST reset
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2016-02-16T12:31:42 < zyp> jpa-, I made a typo in RCC init once, inverting the conditional when waiting for HSE to get ready, so that instead of "wait when not ready", it became "wait when ready"
2016-02-16T12:32:20 < jpa-> hmm, actually looks to be problem with PLL instead of HSE.. PLL ready stays high even after reset (which should disable PLL)
2016-02-16T12:32:23 < zyp> after a power on reset, it skipped straight through that and worked, but after a warm reset, it were ready before the code got there and got stuck
2016-02-16T12:32:46 < zyp> at least I think that's how it went
2016-02-16T12:33:00 < jpa-> yeah.. it's easy to mess up those waits
2016-02-16T12:33:18 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/commit/?id=2063457
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2016-02-16T12:50:01 < MightyPork> karlp: yes that's right, a phase wire goes through the coil. It works really well, actually - and safe
2016-02-16T12:50:41 < karlp> seems really complicated :)
2016-02-16T12:50:51 < karlp> what sort of resolution are you getting on the current?
2016-02-16T12:50:57 < karlp> and what range are you targetting?
2016-02-16T12:52:40 < MightyPork> resolution? well it is amplified 2x by the apamp and then goes to the 12-bit ADC
2016-02-16T12:52:49 < MightyPork> I'm doing FFT of it
2016-02-16T12:53:03 < karlp> and what real world resolution are you getting?
2016-02-16T12:53:19 < karlp> like, in mA?
2016-02-16T12:54:54 < MightyPork> I think 0.5 mA but that's probably wrong. didn't really do the math (also can't measure the input)
2016-02-16T12:55:10 < MightyPork> heres some fft you get from it http://data.ondrovo.com/f/charger_wide_fft_STRESS.svg
2016-02-16T12:55:53 < karlp> how many harmonics are you targetting with your fft? or are you just dumping out the data somewhere?
2016-02-16T12:56:10 < MightyPork> It's supposed to detect defects from change in the characteristics
2016-02-16T12:56:41 < MightyPork> the current bandwidth is 2 kHz, which seems to suffice
2016-02-16T12:56:48 < karlp> what's the upper current you're expecting?
2016-02-16T12:57:05 < MightyPork> some 2-3 amps I guess, household stuff
2016-02-16T12:57:24 < karlp> is that all? you should be able to fiddle with a different CT then, get much better resolution.
2016-02-16T12:58:54 < MightyPork> well it's a proof of concept really. first gotta check if it really can detect anything, then worry about precision
2016-02-16T13:00:01 < MightyPork> of course me having fucked up the power supplies complicated things a bit
2016-02-16T13:01:59 < karlp> you're using the compenstation from the internal ref? that works around _lots_ of pwoer supply noise :)
2016-02-16T13:06:32 < MightyPork> i think, not sure. I do the calibration routine before each batch of measurements
2016-02-16T13:08:28 < karlp> not the built in adc calibration, do you sample the internal vref? you canu se that to adjust your adc readings.
2016-02-16T13:09:54 < MightyPork> you mean sample a sequence [input, ref] ?
2016-02-16T13:10:11 < MightyPork> might be worth a try..
2016-02-16T13:11:38 < karlp> yep.
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2016-02-16T13:16:56 < Laurenceb> stupid work meetings
2016-02-16T13:17:10 < Laurenceb> all everyone wants to talk about is GUi layout
2016-02-16T13:17:25 < Laurenceb>  "can we have animated clickable horses"
2016-02-16T13:18:07 < MightyPork> priorities
2016-02-16T13:19:18 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35581860
2016-02-16T13:19:25 < Laurenceb> shit now I can't even fap at work
2016-02-16T13:19:50 < Laurenceb> Oxford Internet Institute  lulz
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2016-02-16T14:39:54 < dongs> PeterM: my metcal lately powers up to yellow led on turning on, have to toggle it again to get green
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2016-02-16T14:47:32 < dongs> i wish HK sold high capacity lipos with less retarded discharge rates
2016-02-16T14:47:49 < dongs> i want a 10Ah lipo to power low voltage stuff but I dont want to fucking make adapters for 6AWG silicone wire
2016-02-16T14:48:43 < zyp> haha
2016-02-16T14:49:49 < zyp> they have those transmitter packs, but they are only 2.2Ah or so
2016-02-16T14:50:06 < dongs> yeah no
2016-02-16T14:50:15 < dongs> im working with zippy 8Ah and it has 8AWG leads on it
2016-02-16T14:51:48 < dongs> im just niggering a XT60 on ity
2016-02-16T14:51:56 < dongs> with 14awg wire in between
2016-02-16T14:52:08 < dongs> dont wanan take apart hte pack so i just cut half the strands off the 8awg and splicing the 14 in
2016-02-16T14:53:34 < zyp> hmm, I don't really know how to relate to the awg scale, I just read it single digit numbers as "fucking thick" and double digit numbers as "thinner"
2016-02-16T14:53:57 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-16T14:54:02 < dongs> 8 awg is fucking thick
2016-02-16T14:54:05 < zyp> and who the fuck thought it were a good idea to make the number smaller as the size gets larger?
2016-02-16T14:54:14 < dongs> probably like 8mm in diameter including isulation
2016-02-16T14:54:34 < dongs> americans.
2016-02-16T14:54:36 < zyp> haha, that's pretty massive
2016-02-16T14:54:41 < dongs> cuz its the AMERICAN wire gauge
2016-02-16T14:54:47 < zyp> yes
2016-02-16T15:02:02 < karlp> zyp: allegedly it's because "1" was the steel rod, then each successive number was another drawing through the puller.
2016-02-16T15:02:35 < zyp> still silly :)
2016-02-16T15:03:24 < karlp> sure, one of those many things that makes perfect sense to people brought up int he industry, absolutely nothing to anyone else.
2016-02-16T15:03:39 < karlp> like, "1/2 inch pipe gauge"
2016-02-16T15:03:48 < karlp> which isn't even close to 1/2 inch
2016-02-16T15:08:40 < dongs> and done.
2016-02-16T15:08:42 < dongs> annoying as shit
2016-02-16T15:08:58 < dongs> I got a 4Ah zippy i started doing this to like 2 years ago and gave up
2016-02-16T15:09:06 < dongs> perfectly good battery but too fucking lazy
2016-02-16T15:09:16 < dongs> fuck useless connetors
2016-02-16T15:10:29 < ReadError> dongs http://i.imgur.com/rGCJMtl.jpg
2016-02-16T15:10:39 < ReadError> need one of those BAMF
2016-02-16T15:10:56 < dongs> oh my metcal melts it just fine
2016-02-16T15:11:08 < dongs> its just workign wiht these fat fucking wires when they're not needed is the cunt
2016-02-16T15:11:20 < dongs> im not even soldering full 8awg anyway i just cut > half the strands out of the way
2016-02-16T15:11:20 < ReadError> why not go w/ xt90s
2016-02-16T15:11:27 < dongs> they're still too thick
2016-02-16T15:11:27 < ReadError> much easier on fatty wires
2016-02-16T15:11:36 < dongs> 8awg isnt gonna fit in them
2016-02-16T15:11:43 < dongs> not directly
2016-02-16T15:11:47 < dongs> so it doesnt matter either way
2016-02-16T15:11:53 < dongs> i literlaly only need like 100mA draw from this thing
2016-02-16T15:12:01 < dongs> i could just power it via balance plug probably
2016-02-16T15:15:31 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/6ELDAh.png
2016-02-16T15:16:38 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/UBbQau.jpg
2016-02-16T15:22:51 < karlp> thats a rather sad polandball :(
2016-02-16T15:23:19 < dongs> trollenceB, try to put a bit mnore effort into makign your shit funny
2016-02-16T15:44:46 < artag> use higher voltage and less Ah to get more capacity
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2016-02-16T15:54:55 < Sync> zyp: 0000 awg is fucking thick
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2016-02-16T16:14:56 < zyp> 107 mm2 according to wikipedia
2016-02-16T16:15:04 < zyp> I've worked with thicker :)
2016-02-16T16:20:43 < englishman> we know ur a size queen
2016-02-16T16:23:43 < zyp> I remember I wired up the inlet for some industrial distribution board when I worked as an electrician, I think the supply came through dual 4g240 AL
2016-02-16T16:23:52 < Tectu> haha Laurenceb :D
2016-02-16T16:24:07 < Tectu> she did good
2016-02-16T16:24:15 < zyp> two cables paralleled, four conductors of 240mm2 each
2016-02-16T16:24:24 < Sync> yeah, there sure is bigger
2016-02-16T16:25:05 < zyp> wrestling it in place is fun
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2016-02-16T18:22:36 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02UH1QrqwTs
2016-02-16T18:22:41 < Laurenceb> wow what a line up
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2016-02-16T18:25:41 < zyp> Laurenceb, got the minivna today
2016-02-16T18:25:44 < zyp> seems neat
2016-02-16T18:26:04 < Laurenceb> cool
2016-02-16T18:26:10 < zyp> so far, worst complaint I have is that software is java, which required me to install that :p
2016-02-16T18:26:17 < Laurenceb> all the EMdrive guys are using it
2016-02-16T18:26:23 < Laurenceb> but thats not saying much...
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2016-02-16T18:26:34 < Laurenceb> they dont believe in the laws of physics
2016-02-16T18:27:00 < zyp> haha
2016-02-16T18:27:57 < englishman> lol are they really
2016-02-16T18:27:58 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/fxfyo.gif <- plugged in some random 2.4G antenna
2016-02-16T18:29:06 < zyp> also http://bin.jvnv.net/f/wobo6.jpg
2016-02-16T18:29:24 < jadew> zyp, what VNA did you get?
2016-02-16T18:29:30 < zyp> the minivna tiny
2016-02-16T18:29:44 < Sync> yeah, it is not that bad
2016-02-16T18:30:10 < Sync> still need to find something for around 10GHz
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2016-02-16T18:30:28 < Sync> probably will buy one of those wiltron VNAs with the 40GHz source
2016-02-16T18:30:32 < Laurenceb> wow that 2.4Ghz antenna is actually legit
2016-02-16T18:30:46 < englishman> why are the ports labelled TX adn RX? if you're doing s11
2016-02-16T18:30:53 < jadew> Sync, can't imagine it will be cheap
2016-02-16T18:30:58 < jadew> zyp, how much did it cost?
2016-02-16T18:30:58 < Laurenceb> the RX one usually isnt used
2016-02-16T18:31:02 < jadew> I'm looking for a VNA too
2016-02-16T18:31:04 < zyp> englishman, on mine they are labelled DUT and DET
2016-02-16T18:31:06 < englishman> oh theyre not the image must be old
2016-02-16T18:31:08 < englishman> ya
2016-02-16T18:31:09 < Sync> jadew: I'm willing to spend 20k
2016-02-16T18:31:14 < Laurenceb> is that graph data export and gnuplot?
2016-02-16T18:31:22 < jadew> Sync, ah, then it shouldn't be a problem :)
2016-02-16T18:31:28 < zyp> jadew, around 400 EUR shipped
2016-02-16T18:31:30 < englishman> Sync: 8510b to the rescue
2016-02-16T18:31:36 < jadew> zyp, nice
2016-02-16T18:31:55 < jadew> my birthday is around the corner, now I know what I'll get :D
2016-02-16T18:31:57 < zyp> Laurenceb, I just hit the export pic button in the app
2016-02-16T18:32:01 < Laurenceb> oh
2016-02-16T18:32:03 < Sync> englishman: that'd actually work
2016-02-16T18:32:08 < Laurenceb> its actually a decent looking plot
2016-02-16T18:32:16 < Laurenceb> didnt expect decent graphics lol
2016-02-16T18:32:48 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/3qMnL.png <- here's the app itself
2016-02-16T18:33:02 < Laurenceb> thats pretty
2016-02-16T18:33:20 < zyp> at least I think I understand it, and that's the important thing :p
2016-02-16T18:33:32 < Laurenceb> lul https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4N6orRM1hM
2016-02-16T18:34:18 < BrainDamage> that looks strangely ok for a java program
2016-02-16T18:34:21 < karlp> for that smith diagram, ideal is what, a point on the 1? or at least tight consistent straight lines either up/down or left/right near 1?
2016-02-16T18:34:26 < BrainDamage> usually their look and feel is complete alien
2016-02-16T18:34:29 < zyp> karlp, yeah
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2016-02-16T18:34:44 < jadew> karlp, a point
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2016-02-16T18:35:19 < Sync> oh haha englishman, the thing is cheap but the s parameter testsets are spendy as fuck
2016-02-16T18:35:25 < englishman> well yeah
2016-02-16T18:35:33 < englishman> they can cost as much as the vna
2016-02-16T18:35:37 < Sync> more
2016-02-16T18:35:40 < englishman> especially if you want more than just 3 point
2016-02-16T18:35:44 < Sync> the vna is like 3k used
2016-02-16T18:36:01 < englishman> thats probably just the vna too :)
2016-02-16T18:36:02 < Sync> the 45MHz - 20GHz sparam test set is like 12k
2016-02-16T18:36:06 < englishman> not the frequency sourse
2016-02-16T18:36:22 < englishman> or the mixer
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2016-02-16T18:36:34 < englishman> i forget which ones have separate sources and mixers
2016-02-16T18:37:26 < englishman> hp 8410 :)
2016-02-16T18:37:40 < Laurenceb> once you get to hp stuff you can spend more than the cost of a house
2016-02-16T18:38:17 < LA3PNA> and still end up with a 20 year old box with no support
2016-02-16T18:38:22 < englishman> 8720b was fun ours was 20ghz
2016-02-16T18:38:33 < zyp> I'm a RF noob, explain these «testsets» to me
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2016-02-16T18:38:53 < englishman> before every measurement you need to calibrate your instrument
2016-02-16T18:39:07 < englishman> basic calibration is open, short, and matched loads
2016-02-16T18:39:07 < zyp> yeah?
2016-02-16T18:39:19 < englishman> miniVNA sells a simple little kit
2016-02-16T18:39:21 < Sync> englishman: that one looks nice
2016-02-16T18:39:27 < zyp> englishman, yes, I just did that
2016-02-16T18:39:39 < zyp> so testsets are more calibration points?
2016-02-16T18:39:44 < Laurenceb> then it should be fine then lol
2016-02-16T18:39:54 < Laurenceb> does it ship with a test set?
2016-02-16T18:40:01 < englishman> looks like its extra
2016-02-16T18:40:10 < englishman> but its just china sma stuff
2016-02-16T18:40:17 < zyp> I bought it with it, so it's in the 400 total
2016-02-16T18:40:18 < LA3PNA> test set is to reverse so you can measure output match and isolation in a device
2016-02-16T18:40:40 < LA3PNA> calkit is to correct for errors in the setup
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2016-02-16T18:43:10 < englishman> are you on windows zyp
2016-02-16T18:43:32 < englishman> miniVNA is closedsores so im guessing there could be decent windows support
2016-02-16T18:43:32 < zyp> no, OS X
2016-02-16T18:43:38 < LA3PNA> there are aslo testsets for measuring extremly high impedances, ususaly called RF I/V testsets
2016-02-16T18:43:49 < zyp> vna/J is java, so it shouldn't matter
2016-02-16T18:46:15 < zyp> runs equally bad on all platforms, some would say :p
2016-02-16T18:46:43 < jadew> zyp, how fast is it?
2016-02-16T18:46:44 < zyp> but so far I haven't had any problems apart from having to actually install java
2016-02-16T18:47:14 < zyp> jadew, how do I answer that? :p
2016-02-16T18:47:24 < englishman> looks like it has AVR Inside®
2016-02-16T18:47:34 < jadew> well, how long it takes to go from 1 MHz to 3 GHz?
2016-02-16T18:48:27 < zyp> single scan seems to take around five seconds with default settings, regardless of the range
2016-02-16T18:48:50 < zyp> but there's speed settings here, so I assume you can choose the tradeoff between speed and resolution
2016-02-16T18:49:13 < jadew> yeah and possibly noise
2016-02-16T18:49:22 < jadew> 5 seconds is not bad
2016-02-16T18:49:54 < karlp> how do you use this to test things like a pcb trace antenna anyway?
2016-02-16T18:50:18 < englishman> depends what you want to test
2016-02-16T18:50:26 < zyp> first I need to find a SMA connector to hook up to the pcb :p
2016-02-16T18:50:29 < jadew> well, you can test the S11
2016-02-16T18:50:32 < zyp> I'm not sure I have any
2016-02-16T18:50:39 < karlp> zyp: ask kakimir
2016-02-16T18:50:47 < jadew> but you'd also need a directional coupler
2016-02-16T18:50:48 < zyp> ;)
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2016-02-16T18:51:30 < englishman> heh yeah looks like avr + ftdi
2016-02-16T18:51:37 < zyp> yep
2016-02-16T18:51:48 < englishman> so, sorry bro but you're offtopic
2016-02-16T18:51:51 < englishman> plz take your chats elsewhere
2016-02-16T18:52:05 < zyp> but I don't really care what's inside it as long as it does the job
2016-02-16T18:52:09 < englishman> unless - you are using this instrument to test stm32-powered rf designs
2016-02-16T18:52:20 < zyp> that's what I bought it for
2016-02-16T18:52:57 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/XJfyF.JPG <- see, stm32 right there
2016-02-16T18:53:43 < englishman> nice antenna
2016-02-16T18:53:50 < zyp> ;)
2016-02-16T18:54:16 < jadew> nice soldering job
2016-02-16T18:54:17 < zyp> I tried wireless communication first, that didn't work, so I had to add a wire
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2016-02-16T18:54:43 < jadew> home cooked?
2016-02-16T18:55:03 < zyp> dongs cooked
2016-02-16T18:55:12 < jadew> ah, neat
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2016-02-16T18:57:30 < zyp> kakimir, so, when are you coming over with those SMA connectors?
2016-02-16T18:57:43 < zyp> I've got better use for them than you!
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2016-02-16T18:59:15 < ReadError> did the microchip/atmel thing ever go through?
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2016-02-16T19:08:25 < kakimir> sup sexuals
2016-02-16T19:09:41 < obnauticus> I'm working with an STM32F410 and it is taking a while for the MCU to process the first line of code in my main() function. I believe this might have to do with my RCC configuration. Does anyone here have any idea of where to start to look to debug this issue?
2016-02-16T19:09:42 < kakimir> zyp: you don't touch mans smas
2016-02-16T19:09:49 < kakimir> leave them be
2016-02-16T19:10:37 < obnauticus> It takes about 4 seconds before it gets to the main loop. I'm running off HSI (with the correct setting) and the HSE timeout is 0
2016-02-16T19:10:53 < obnauticus> But during debug mode it is almost instantaneous
2016-02-16T19:14:23 < zyp> it's ok, I buthered a ufl pigtail
2016-02-16T19:14:30 < gxti> zyp: fixed the paste mask on that tag connect footprint yet? :P
2016-02-16T19:14:49 < zyp> paste mask is correct, blame dongs' stencil assholes
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2016-02-16T19:14:57 < gxti> quality
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2016-02-16T19:21:23 < obnauticus> :(
2016-02-16T19:22:01 < zyp> hmm
2016-02-16T19:22:15 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/6cVmy.gif <- this doesn't look very good :p
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2016-02-16T19:28:30 < aandrew> I've always struggled with those
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2016-02-16T19:39:46 < Laurenceb> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/973736766/team-pisces-emissary-adventures-path-to-salvation-0?ref=users
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2016-02-16T19:46:14 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yicGBfo2lio lul
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2016-02-16T19:58:39 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdWI3VUFORjhiN2s/view?usp=sharing is this something worth something?
2016-02-16T19:58:44 < kakimir> it shines
2016-02-16T20:00:30 < kakimir> it must be some nostalgic 8bit processor worth 10k
2016-02-16T20:03:10 < zyp> hmm, looks like my antenna got lower inductance and higher capacitance than recommended
2016-02-16T20:04:16 < Steffanx> zyp got himself an analyzer?
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2016-02-16T20:06:34 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFN1yLgj8Qo
2016-02-16T20:06:39 < Laurenceb> someone from irc for sure
2016-02-16T20:08:01 < Steffanx> because this is  what you do in your spare time too?
2016-02-16T20:15:51 < zyp> Steffanx, yes
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2016-02-16T20:20:01 < Steffanx> which one?
2016-02-16T20:23:17 < zyp> 17:29:30 < zyp> the minivna tiny
2016-02-16T20:23:27 < Steffanx> ah :)
2016-02-16T20:25:06 < zyp> wonder if I should just respin the board with an antenna with more inductance, or try to match this one
2016-02-16T20:26:01 < zyp> I'm going to have to edit the layout to fix the missing signal anyway
2016-02-16T20:27:31 < jadew> now that you have the VNA, you can build just the antenna at home until you get it right
2016-02-16T20:28:44 < zyp> yeah, if I were in a hurry, I could home etch a dummy pcb just to measure it
2016-02-16T20:28:52 < zyp> but that sounds like too much effort
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2016-02-16T20:49:20 < owl-v-> st's IDE based on eclipse, on linux :P -> http://linuxgizmos.com/st-releases-free-linux-ide-for-its-stm32-mcus/
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2016-02-16T21:01:18 < jadew> so that's what nucleo is
2016-02-16T21:02:16 < jadew> arduino-compatible breakout board :(
2016-02-16T21:03:43 < jadew> it's cool that a headers standard arised, but it's very sad that it's from the arduino
2016-02-16T21:04:18 < englishman> isnt this like very old news?
2016-02-16T21:04:21 < englishman> cube 4 lunix is new
2016-02-16T21:04:33 < englishman> but openstm32 website was last updated like 4 years ago
2016-02-16T21:05:55 < englishman> System Workbench for STM32
2016-02-16T21:05:55 < englishman> System Workbench for STM32 is the new free IDE available for STM32 Cortex-M based microcontrollers.
2016-02-16T21:05:58 < englishman>  2013-10-07
2016-02-16T21:08:22 < englishman> Latest Windows 7 64 bit installer (Version v1.3, updated on Friday, July 24, 2015
2016-02-16T21:10:04 < englishman> not that old then
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2016-02-16T21:12:06 < jadew> looks slow
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2016-02-16T21:13:03 < jadew> are there other from-scratch java based IDEs?
2016-02-16T21:14:02 < jadew> other than eclipse that is
2016-02-16T21:14:04 < aandrew> < jadew> it's cool that a headers standard arised, but it's very sad that it's from the arduino
2016-02-16T21:14:07 < aandrew> ^^ truth
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2016-02-16T22:03:04 < ReadError> lol System Workbench is such a pile of shit
2016-02-16T22:14:56 < ambro718> reference says this for the DMA: " The address pointers (DMA_SxPAR or DMA_SxM0AR registers) must be chosen so as to ensure that all transfers within a burst block are aligned on the address boundary equal to the size of the transfer."
2016-02-16T22:15:05 < ambro718> so, aligned to 4 bytes for word transfer?
2016-02-16T22:15:24 < ambro718> .. as opposed to aligned to the size of the complete burst transfer?
2016-02-16T22:16:01 < artag> I'd hope so. I've never seen a dma setup that needed to be aligned to the burst length
2016-02-16T22:16:16 < artag> but aligning to the wordsize is very common
2016-02-16T22:17:09 < ambro718> I'm getting frustrated with DMA transfer to SDIO, the DMA is giving me FIFO Error after enabling the SDIO transfer (after DMA was already enabled before that).
2016-02-16T22:18:21 < artag> I guess it could be though. It does read that way. Can you try it?
2016-02-16T22:18:42 < ambro718> sure I can try many things
2016-02-16T22:19:43 < ambro718> ok I just disabled burst transfers on both memory and peripheral, seems to have solved the issue
2016-02-16T22:21:58 < ambro718> aligning to 16 bytes did not fix it though
2016-02-16T22:23:56 < artag> so burst fails, no matter how coarsely it's aligned ?
2016-02-16T22:24:37 < artag> something i've had failing on burst was memory speed, if something else (including a cache fill) was competing for memory bandwidth
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2016-02-16T22:26:30 < ambro718> well the alignment didn't help at least, I doubt that's the issue. I'll experiment with different burst sizes.
2016-02-16T22:30:41 < ambro718> ... actually disabling the burst just causes a different error, TXUNDERR from SDIO
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2016-02-16T22:34:10 < artag> that also implies the memory bandwidth can't satisy the dma speed
2016-02-16T22:34:55 < artag> though in this case it might be because it could only be satisfied at burst speed. Can you slow the SDIO clock down ?
2016-02-16T22:36:00 < artag> is the DMA RAM internal ? Are you supposed to use a specific RAM type for DMA ?
2016-02-16T22:36:28 < ambro718> it's from the internal RAM
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2016-02-16T22:53:22 < zyp> found out how to make the nfc reader work
2016-02-16T22:53:23 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/m0yyr.JPG
2016-02-16T22:56:01 < ambro718> "The burst configuration has to be selected in order to respect the AHB protocol, where bursts must not cross the 1 KB address boundary because the minimum address space that can be allocated to a single slave is 1 KB. This means that the 1 KB address boundary should not be crossed by a burst block transfer, otherwise an AHB error would be generated, that is not reported by the DMA registers."
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2016-02-16T23:00:35 < MightyPork> can I use a Dremel to drill PCB? anyone tried it?
2016-02-16T23:02:30 < englishman> lol zyo
2016-02-16T23:02:35 < englishman> zyp
2016-02-16T23:15:41 < karlp> jadew: both netbeans and clion/et al, are both independent from scratch ides built in java.
2016-02-16T23:18:53 < Laurenceb_> 78 airwires on my horse monitor
2016-02-16T23:19:01 < Laurenceb_> down from >1k this morning
2016-02-16T23:19:08 < Laurenceb_> I'll call that a day
2016-02-16T23:19:16 < Laurenceb_> 14 hours non stop routing
2016-02-16T23:19:17 < Steffanx> clion is any good karlp?
2016-02-16T23:19:46 < Steffanx> nevermind surely not worth the $119
2016-02-16T23:20:04 < Steffanx> ir 89
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2016-02-16T23:43:46 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/nL2Mlpe.jpg
2016-02-16T23:43:58 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQt6jIKNwgU musics spams
2016-02-16T23:44:16 < kakimir> 1997
2016-02-16T23:46:54 < karlp> Steffanx: lovely, if your projects are built with cmake. virtually useless otherwise.
2016-02-16T23:47:06 < karlp> so... no, not worth shit yet :)
2016-02-16T23:50:44 < englishman> is that the year you were born kakimir
2016-02-16T23:51:08 < kakimir> it's the year I was young
2016-02-16T23:51:10 < englishman> or was it this year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1fzJ_AYajA
2016-02-16T23:52:04 < kakimir> never heard the song
2016-02-16T23:53:00 < Laurenceb_> uh oh
2016-02-16T23:53:01 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39004.msg1491956#msg1491956
2016-02-16T23:53:06 < Laurenceb_> emdrive confirmed
2016-02-16T23:57:38 < kakimir> how is island kingdom today Laurenceb_ ?
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2016-02-16T23:59:39 < Laurenceb_> like this http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/000/929/ce9.png
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2016-02-17T00:01:12 < kakimir> baguette munchers have sealed the pipes?
2016-02-17T00:01:42 < kakimir> did they walk under the canal?
2016-02-17T00:02:33 < Laurenceb_> 1) take down Calais fences
2016-02-17T00:02:43 < Laurenceb_> 2) let them get half way through the tunnel
2016-02-17T00:02:47 < Laurenceb_> 3) flood it
2016-02-17T00:03:03 < kakimir> that's expensive
2016-02-17T00:03:15 < kakimir> if you plan to use sea water
2016-02-17T00:03:19 < kakimir> it ruins the shit
2016-02-17T00:03:59 < kakimir> also business suffers
2016-02-17T00:04:19 < Laurenceb_> maybe just flood the tunnel with nitrogen
2016-02-17T00:04:56 < kakimir> it's just god damn pipe.. why not place small force of armed men in both ends?
2016-02-17T00:05:57 < kakimir> I bet it's responsibility of some security company to take care of illegal crossing
2016-02-17T00:06:06 < kakimir> they have 2 security guards
2016-02-17T00:06:15 < kakimir> one in one end
2016-02-17T00:06:20 < kakimir> one in another
2016-02-17T00:07:21 < kakimir> before niggers could you then by yourself walk to france Laurenceb_ ?
2016-02-17T00:10:04 < Laurenceb_> keep yourself entertained kakimir  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7VAHWdr8Ww
2016-02-17T00:10:34 < Laurenceb_> why was I expecting something involving Egypt
2016-02-17T00:13:15 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/Z8iWCY0
2016-02-17T00:13:40 < Laurenceb_> enjoy your "refugee" waifu
2016-02-17T00:13:44 < kakimir> what is this Laurenceb_ ?
2016-02-17T00:14:17 < kakimir> when I get my owm jasmine?
2016-02-17T00:15:12 < kakimir> *own
2016-02-17T00:16:48 < Laurenceb_> lurk moar on 8chan
2016-02-17T00:18:56 < ambro718> Okay I figured out the problem with my DMA/SDIO FIFO error. Turns out it is not normally fatal when the DMA raises a FIFO error. The reference manual says: If the DMEIFx or the FEIFx flag is set due to an overrun or underrun condition, the faulty stream is not automatically disabled and it is up to the software to disable or not the stream by resetting the EN bit in the DMA_SxCR register. This is because there is no data loss when this kind of
2016-02-17T00:18:58 < ambro718> errors occur.
2016-02-17T00:19:02 < ambro718> When a FIFO overrun or underrun condition occurs, the data are not lost because the peripheral request is not acknowledged by the stream until the overrun or underrun condition is cleared. If this acknowledge takes too much time, the peripheral itself may detect an overrun or underrun condition of its internal buffer and data might be lost.
2016-02-17T00:21:38 < ambro718> it's just the Cube code that is treating the error fatally. I made my code interpret the result of HAL_DMA_IRQHandler a bit differently, which fixed it:   HAL_DMA_IRQHandler();  if (dma.State == HAL_DMA_STATE_READY_MEM0) { // ok, transfer done } else if (dma.ErrorCode & (HAL_DMA_ERROR_TE|HAL_DMA_ERROR_DME) { // real error; }
2016-02-17T00:26:43 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: who has time for that
2016-02-17T00:34:34 < Laurenceb_> me
2016-02-17T00:34:42 < Laurenceb_> and NEETs like you
2016-02-17T00:35:11 < Laurenceb_> maybe this is more you http://hikkichan.com/hikki/res/658.html
2016-02-17T00:39:50 < kakimir> I'm not a complete shitte
2016-02-17T00:56:15 < artag> ambro718: glad you sorted it out. But you're still getting underrun errors, right ? So your peripheral might lose a byte or get it slowly. Isn't this a problem ?
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2016-02-17T00:58:02 < ambro718> artag: Hey, read what I pasted. Basically, just the DMA is setting its FIFO-underrun flag, which means that at some point the SDIO requested data but DMA was not able to *immediately* provide it. It was able to provide is a bit later, soon enough for SDIO to keep working. Because SDIO has a FIFO of its own.
2016-02-17T00:58:30 < ambro718> artag: there is not data being lost. If there was an real underrun in the SDIO, the SDIO would report an underrun error.
2016-02-17T00:59:11 < ambro718> (SDIO is not reporting an underrun!)
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2016-02-17T01:39:19 < ambro718> I see that when the DMA is configured in peripheral flow controller mode, the NDTR (number of transfer) is automatically overridden by DMA to 0xFFFF. I can't tell it to only transfer up to so many items.
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2016-02-17T01:40:02 < ambro718> When the peripheral flow controller is used for a given stream, the value written into the DMA_SxNDTR has no effect on the DMA transfer.
2016-02-17T01:40:35 < ambro718> What idiot designed this, I sure know how many data there is in my own buffer, and how many is safe to read in the first place.
2016-02-17T01:41:30 < ambro718> thing is, I want to do a SD WRITE_MULTIPLE_BLOCKS but send data out of multiple buffers (each block is in its own buffer and they are not generally contiguous)
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2016-02-17T02:06:06 < bilboquet> with st-util, gdb when i use the call or print function() i get the result and a new (gdb) prompt but after I feel that it freeze.
2016-02-17T02:06:24 < bilboquet> i can't write again
2016-02-17T02:07:24 < bilboquet> is it normal ?
2016-02-17T02:08:40 < bilboquet> to be clear : (gdb) p myFunction()
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2016-02-17T02:45:09 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-02-17T02:47:35 < dongs> cool rework, zyp
2016-02-17T02:47:38 < dongs> but get thinner gold wires.
2016-02-17T02:50:19 < ReadError> who pasted the tagconnect lol
2016-02-17T02:50:35 < dongs> learn to scroll up
2016-02-17T02:50:37 < dongs> and read
2016-02-17T02:51:05 < ReadError> oh i c
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2016-02-17T02:52:07 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/MyjYZLW.jpg
2016-02-17T02:52:16 < ReadError> i think this would be pretty hard to top
2016-02-17T02:54:10 < kakimir> how can simple project take a week or at least half
2016-02-17T02:54:12 < kakimir> just like that
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2016-02-17T02:54:40 < ReadError> too much stoning not enough work
2016-02-17T02:54:52 < kakimir> permastoned
2016-02-17T02:55:08 < kakimir> we smoked so much when I was young
2016-02-17T02:55:31 < kakimir> that I got into psychosis and never told anyone
2016-02-17T02:56:05 < kakimir> just follow the routines follow the routines.. nobody will notice
2016-02-17T02:56:46 < kakimir> act normal, act normal
2016-02-17T02:57:18 < kakimir> I think it lasted like years after I stoped
2016-02-17T02:59:07 < kakimir> smoking shiet
2016-02-17T02:59:19 < kakimir> nj
2016-02-17T03:00:46 < kakimir> I need dongs comment on this
2016-02-17T03:04:12 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUVhOOM70Z4 zyp in japan
2016-02-17T03:05:03 < ReadError> Check out my powerful guide on how to get laid in Japan!
2016-02-17T03:05:06 < ReadError> lul
2016-02-17T03:06:45 < dongs> shes also old as shit
2016-02-17T03:06:56 < dongs> i commented mid30s but i think might be more like late 30s
2016-02-17T03:07:17 < dongs> or 40something
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2016-02-17T03:07:39 < ReadError> i would go w/ 35 or so
2016-02-17T03:08:15 < kakimir> dongs is timecop!
2016-02-17T03:08:24 < ReadError> *gasp*
2016-02-17T03:08:37 < kakimir> I have a case of wasted time
2016-02-17T03:08:43 < dongs> http://www.wagehourinsights.com/Captain%20Obvious%20HotelsCom.jpg
2016-02-17T03:09:37 < kakimir> I need you to return teh timah
2016-02-17T03:09:55 < kakimir> and throw the culprit in time prison
2016-02-17T03:09:57 < dongs> bbl, dicknplacing
2016-02-17T03:10:34 < Sync> need to automate that
2016-02-17T03:10:37 < kakimir> pics of your dick placer?
2016-02-17T03:10:47 < kakimir> please
2016-02-17T03:22:01 < kakimir> what is sugoii?
2016-02-17T03:23:55 < bilboquet> openocd work better than st-link on linux. (gdb) p myFunction() work now.
2016-02-17T03:27:24 < bilboquet> rfm73 lib  to debug...
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2016-02-17T09:29:13 < dongs> haha, re: zyp in japan vid - https://www.change.org/p/stopdavidbond-from-harassing-sexually-exploiting-women-in-asia
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2016-02-17T09:45:40 < zyp> heh
2016-02-17T09:47:51 < zyp> dongs, also, gold wires?
2016-02-17T09:48:25 < dongs> your rework wire thingy
2016-02-17T09:48:52 < zyp> on which pic?
2016-02-17T09:49:26 < zyp> ah, the other pic, with the missing signal?
2016-02-17T09:49:34 < zyp> yeah
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2016-02-17T09:50:12 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/f/uNgNm.JPG <- here's another pic I think I didn't paste here
2016-02-17T09:50:37 < dongs> yeah, you didnt
2016-02-17T09:50:42 < dongs> that looks like you were fuckign with RF
2016-02-17T09:51:14 < zyp> yeah
2016-02-17T09:51:41 < zyp> it looks like adding 180pF in parallel with the antenna makes shit work, at least good enough
2016-02-17T09:51:54 < zyp> reads all cards I tested with, even through my desk
2016-02-17T09:52:43 < dongs> nice
2016-02-17T09:52:50 < dongs> minivna purchase: wasted
2016-02-17T09:53:05 < zyp> oh, not at all, that's how I figured out that 180pF is good
2016-02-17T09:53:13 < dongs> ;d
2016-02-17T09:54:03 < zyp> I found some cut tape of 33pF and 18pF caps, so I just kept stacking those while looking at how the VNA plots changed
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2016-02-17T09:55:37 < zyp> I tried stacking some on the series capacitors as well, but that seemed to only make it worse
2016-02-17T09:58:30 < jpa-> pro rf design
2016-02-17T10:02:17 < dongs> cool
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2016-02-17T10:10:35 < zyp> yeah, I'll figure out the math of it some time too
2016-02-17T10:11:14 < zyp> the formulas in the NXP documents seemed overcomplicated
2016-02-17T10:12:09 < zyp> like what you get if you insist on not using complex numbers for something that would be easier to do with complex numbers
2016-02-17T10:12:24 < jpa-> yeah, i hate when people do that
2016-02-17T10:12:31 < zyp> handling resistances and reactances separately and shit
2016-02-17T10:12:58 < zyp> so I need to sit down some time and figure out exactly what's going on
2016-02-17T10:13:32 < zyp> https://www.medo64.com/2014/11/rectangular-nfc-antenna-calculator/ <- I found this thing too
2016-02-17T10:13:34 < jpa-> i've never done antenna tuning, but at school they basically had a smith chart with four arrows like "it will move along this arc if you add parallel capacitance" and the goal was to get it to the center
2016-02-17T10:14:42 < zyp> yeah, I remember those
2016-02-17T10:15:03 < jpa-> what vna did you get?
2016-02-17T10:15:05 < zyp> but this shit has a more complex network
2016-02-17T10:15:26 < zyp> because it goes nfc chip -> EMC filter -> antenna matching -> antenna
2016-02-17T10:16:14 < zyp> the EMC filter is a LC stage and the matching is a CC stage
2016-02-17T10:16:59 < zyp> and how stuff changes suddenly isn't all that intuitive anymore when it's in the middle of the network
2016-02-17T10:17:38 < zyp> jpa-, the minivna tiny
2016-02-17T10:19:46 < jpa-> looks nice, how much did it cost?
2016-02-17T10:19:55 < zyp> 400 EUR shipped
2016-02-17T10:19:59 < jpa-> not bad
2016-02-17T10:21:36 < zyp> it'll pay for itself pretty quickly once I sell some of these boards
2016-02-17T10:22:22 < jpa-> does the software seem ok?
2016-02-17T10:22:33 < zyp> yes
2016-02-17T10:22:43 < zyp> so far my biggest complaint is that I had to install java to run it :p
2016-02-17T10:23:10 < jpa-> :)
2016-02-17T10:23:15 < zyp> but it seems to do the job just fine
2016-02-17T10:24:10 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/f/3qMnL.png https://bin.jvnv.net/f/fxfyo.gif <- here's some random 2.4GHz antenna I tested
2016-02-17T10:25:49 < dongs> VNA/J
2016-02-17T10:25:52 < dongs> is that JAVA
2016-02-17T10:26:33 < zyp> yes
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2016-02-17T11:39:12 < dongs> http://www.brentwoodgazette.co.uk/Basildon-protesters-block-busy-road-24-hours-boy/story-28750676-detail/story.html laurenceb has been busy
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2016-02-17T12:02:13 < zyp> gotta love problems that goes away when you hook up a logic analyzer
2016-02-17T12:02:26 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-17T12:02:40 < dongs> how did you manage that?
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2016-02-17T12:03:14 < zyp> I think the analyzer got pullups or something
2016-02-17T12:03:17 < dongs> shitty cloner just joined
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2016-02-17T12:04:08 < dongs> oh is it one of ~those~
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2016-02-17T12:05:49 < zyp> I got a master and a slave thing on an i2c bus, entire slave board gets powered off
2016-02-17T12:06:23 < zyp> doesn't recover properly after being powered back on
2016-02-17T12:07:23 < zyp> but I think slave board got hardwired pullups, so bus should go high as soon as it's powered on
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2016-02-17T12:21:53 < dongs> https://www.instagram.com/p/BB3MmK_ja-z/ what. the. fuck.
2016-02-17T12:22:34 < dongs> reported as "This video puts people at risk"
2016-02-17T12:26:01 < PeterM> the fuck
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2016-02-17T12:26:37 < dongs> whatever respect i didn't have for sparkfuck, now its definitely gone.
2016-02-17T12:28:52 < zyp> doesn't look like it's pullups after all, probably transients
2016-02-17T12:29:01 < zyp> scope probe on scl also helps
2016-02-17T12:29:12 < zyp> turns out just resetting i2c periph works
2016-02-17T12:29:14 < dongs> pro ringing reducer
2016-02-17T12:29:16 < dongs> is this stm32?
2016-02-17T12:29:24 < dongs> or ATXMEGA
2016-02-17T12:29:39 < zyp> atmega
2016-02-17T12:30:34 < dongs> time to check feelancer
2016-02-17T12:31:31 < dongs> https://developers.insgroup.fr/cloud-on-chip/td1208/evb.html
2016-02-17T12:31:34 < dongs> sigfox wat
2016-02-17T12:32:00 < dongs> The EVB comes bundled with following
2016-02-17T12:32:00 < dongs> A TTL-232R-3V3 FTDI USB to TTL Serial Cable (3.3V)-1.8m
2016-02-17T12:32:04 < dongs> chances of it being fake FTDI?
2016-02-17T12:33:37 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/Design-microchip/
2016-02-17T12:34:33 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/PCB-Layout-design-9672122/
2016-02-17T12:34:44 < dongs> > The layout design should be done with KiCad or Cadence . Schematic is done by Orcad.
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2016-02-17T12:37:50 < dongs> Require design of an Arduino R3 compatible proto shield using Eagle PCB.
2016-02-17T12:37:50 < dongs> Prior experience with Eagle PCB, Arduino Shields is required. Proficiency in English required, must have completed U.S. English exam level 1.
2016-02-17T12:38:47 < dongs> k nothing interesting on jewlancer
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2016-02-17T13:00:43 < Steffanx> I wonder if the dutch or south africans invented this word
2016-02-17T13:01:03 < dongs> yeah that means dick in dutch isnt it?
2016-02-17T13:01:17 < Steffanx> No also shit
2016-02-17T13:01:26 < dongs> but doesn't afrikaans borrow from dutch a lot of shit
2016-02-17T13:01:34 < Steffanx> Yes
2016-02-17T13:01:46 < Steffanx> Because we invaded SA
2016-02-17T13:01:50 < dongs> right
2016-02-17T13:01:59 < zyp> kak? isn't that just a derivate of cock?
2016-02-17T13:02:07 < zyp> in norwegian we have kuk
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2016-02-17T13:02:27 < ReadError> in america we have cack
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2016-02-17T13:02:47 < ReadError> thats how people from jersey talk
2016-02-17T13:02:55 < dongs> ah, right kuk is the one i was thinking
2016-02-17T13:02:56 < ReadError> "then she sucked my cack"
2016-02-17T13:03:00 < dongs> cuz of captainkuk
2016-02-17T13:03:24 < zyp> haha
2016-02-17T13:03:59 < dongs> the KK flight controlelr shiz
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2016-02-17T13:05:28 < dongs> whats with these retarded splits
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2016-02-17T13:05:28 < ReadError> probably more ddos
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2016-02-17T13:08:02 < ReadError> hmm is there a reliable way to detect a floating input
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2016-02-17T13:08:31 < jadew> yeah, with an oscilloscope
2016-02-17T13:08:37 < jadew> and your finger
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2016-02-17T13:09:39 < ReadError> ok i should have been more clear
2016-02-17T13:09:47 < ReadError> in code or on the mcu*
2016-02-17T13:09:55 < qyx> enable pullup, check level
2016-02-17T13:09:59 < qyx> enable pulldown, check level
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2016-02-17T13:10:40 < ReadError> hmm worth a try, thanks
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2016-02-17T13:19:47 < dongs> fuckkkkkkkkk
2016-02-17T13:19:52 < dongs> missed another local space launch
2016-02-17T13:20:13 < jpa-> is local space the opposite of outer space?
2016-02-17T13:20:14 < ReadError> has anyone ever had a certain spot in memory go fucky
2016-02-17T13:20:32 < ReadError> http://snag.gy/RVSvu.jpg
2016-02-17T13:20:38 < ReadError> like this happened the other day
2016-02-17T13:20:58 < ReadError> now im seeing something similar with another var
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2016-02-17T13:21:17 < dongs> jpa, local as in i can see the rocket
2016-02-17T13:21:29 < ReadError> the other one I just moved the struct in 0 to 2, and it fixed it
2016-02-17T13:21:44 < dongs> lol, readstoner, stop trying to clone $599 rx
2016-02-17T13:21:55 < ReadError> dongs nah different
2016-02-17T13:22:03 < ReadError> this was something i started like forever ago
2016-02-17T13:22:10 < dongs> yeah right
2016-02-17T13:22:10 < dongs> yawn
2016-02-17T13:22:13 < dongs> cloner trash
2016-02-17T13:22:26 < ReadError> well answer my question then ;(
2016-02-17T13:22:37 < dongs> i use a real IDE
2016-02-17T13:22:41 < dongs> not this opensores toy garbage
2016-02-17T13:22:42 < jpa-> ReadError: seems much more probable that you are just writing to random memory
2016-02-17T13:22:45 < karlp> ReadError: I'd suspect bad pointers trampling memoery
2016-02-17T13:22:50 < karlp> yeah, what jpa said
2016-02-17T13:22:53 < jpa-> ReadError: set a watchpoint there to see what overwrites it
2016-02-17T13:23:22 < ReadError> ya see whats crazy too is, if I right click and 'view memory'
2016-02-17T13:23:42 < ReadError> it fails with 'An internal error occured during: "Add Memory Block"'
2016-02-17T13:23:54 < ReadError> but im not sure if thats just eclipse being dumb or an actual error
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2016-02-17T13:24:08 < ReadError> seems to happen for everything though
2016-02-17T13:24:13 < jpa-> use real gdb
2016-02-17T13:24:21 < jpa-> then you'll know it is just bad tools
2016-02-17T13:27:16 < crt> buy keel
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2016-02-17T13:29:52 < dongs> just use free F0-keil
2016-02-17T13:29:57 < dongs> no code limit, no debug limit
2016-02-17T13:30:03 < dongs> proper optimized compilers
2016-02-17T13:30:07 < ReadError> I have keil but I like this better
2016-02-17T13:30:23 < crt> but i wana f4
2016-02-17T13:30:29 < crt> i buy soon
2016-02-17T13:30:52 < crt> http://au.element14.com/keil/mdk-arm-cm-t-lc/compiler-cortex-m-nl-1yr-download/dp/2479282
2016-02-17T13:36:55 < ReadError> once I got used to the eclipse setup it works pretty well
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2016-02-17T14:25:59 < ReadError> tighten up freenode
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2016-02-17T14:26:16 < ReadError> freenode staff ‏@freenodestaff  2h2 hours ago
2016-02-17T14:26:17 < ReadError> It's upgrade all the things day which also means lots of reboots. Remember to connect to http://chat.freenode.net  and remain calm.
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2016-02-17T14:27:09 < ReadError> https://twitter.com/myrtti/status/694875652877631488
2016-02-17T14:27:10 < crt> m
2016-02-17T14:27:18 < ReadError> just threw up in my mouth a little
2016-02-17T14:27:54 < crt> lul
2016-02-17T14:28:16 < ReadError> whats pumpin crt
2016-02-17T14:28:31 < crt> not much
2016-02-17T14:28:42 < crt> can't be fucked doing anything (11.28pm)
2016-02-17T14:28:59 < ReadError> sounds like booze & stoning time to me
2016-02-17T14:29:12 < ReadError> live that opensource life
2016-02-17T14:29:22 < crt> rofl
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2016-02-17T14:33:11 < Laurenceb> attn dongs  https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/973736766/the-cybermatrix-100-tu01
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2016-02-17T14:33:34 < Laurenceb> https://ksr-video.imgix.net/projects/958674/video-375445-webm.webm
2016-02-17T14:33:43 < crt> wtf
2016-02-17T14:33:59 < Laurenceb> Poes law
2016-02-17T14:34:26 < crt> that has to be a joke right
2016-02-17T14:34:28 < Laurenceb> from /r/shittykickstarters/
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2016-02-17T14:35:34 < Laurenceb> http://www.cringechannel.com/2016/01/07/video-guy-promises-a-book-to-fund-his-cybermatrix/
2016-02-17T14:35:51 < crt> right
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2016-02-17T14:36:57 < dongs> nice
2016-02-17T14:37:00 < dongs> they're replaying the launch
2016-02-17T14:37:38 < Laurenceb> what launch?
2016-02-17T14:37:44 < dongs> japs
2016-02-17T14:37:49 < Laurenceb> ah
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2016-02-17T14:40:44 < dongs> they have video of all sats separation
2016-02-17T14:40:46 < dongs> there was 3 on board
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2016-02-17T14:45:21 < Laurenceb> http://kickfailure.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/cyber_05.jpg
2016-02-17T14:46:22 < Laurenceb> sounds a bit furry to me
2016-02-17T14:51:45 < qyx> what the fuck
2016-02-17T14:52:01 < qyx> freelancer.com offered a 30 day trial of plus membership
2016-02-17T14:52:05 < qyx> and it is not downgradable
2016-02-17T14:52:08 < qyx> to free
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2016-02-17T15:07:35 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nqQzzTKl6k
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2016-02-17T15:16:16 < dongs> qyx: lol
2016-02-17T15:16:20 < dongs> so after a month you have to pay?
2016-02-17T15:17:12 < crt> dirty
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2016-02-17T15:40:48 < Laurenceb> genius http://rentaminority.com/
2016-02-17T15:41:29 < ReadError> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/18/technology/apple-timothy-cook-fbi-san-bernardino.html
2016-02-17T15:41:37 < ReadError> tim cook a ride or die kinda ninja
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2016-02-17T15:41:54 < Laurenceb> inb4 double bluff
2016-02-17T15:43:32 < qyx> dongs: 0.99$
2016-02-17T15:47:25 < ReadError> Laurenceb u think?
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2016-02-17T15:53:25 < Laurenceb> ReadError: it'd be weird if they didnt have a back door
2016-02-17T15:53:39 < Laurenceb> and possibly illegal in UK
2016-02-17T15:54:04 < Laurenceb> anyway can't they just cut the hand off the body?
2016-02-17T15:54:10 < Laurenceb> or did they cremate it lol
2016-02-17T15:54:38 < ReadError> lol idk
2016-02-17T15:54:49 < dongs> what are they asdking for backdoor?
2016-02-17T15:54:53 < dongs> fingerprint or something?
2016-02-17T15:55:00 < dongs> surely FBI has equipment to fake his fucking thumbprint
2016-02-17T15:55:02 < karlp> the fbi didn't just open it with their own tools?
2016-02-17T15:55:11 < karlp> or are they trying to pretend they don't?
2016-02-17T15:55:19 < dongs> lolz
2016-02-17T15:55:25 < BrainDamage> i think they want to set a precedent
2016-02-17T15:55:35 < BrainDamage> unlock for us and bend over
2016-02-17T15:56:22 < BrainDamage> it's also less efforts and expenses for then
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2016-02-17T16:05:41 < kakimir> suo sexuals
2016-02-17T16:05:50 < kakimir> sup
2016-02-17T16:10:54 < kakimir> dongs: in finnish kakka is poo
2016-02-17T16:11:13 < dongs> fits you right
2016-02-17T16:11:18 < kakimir> kakkia is to poo
2016-02-17T16:11:35 < BrainDamage> kakkamir
2016-02-17T16:11:50 < kakimir> kakkimir
2016-02-17T16:11:52 < Laurenceb> poo in loo
2016-02-17T16:11:56 < Laurenceb> designated
2016-02-17T16:12:59 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgur.com/jfeFsP1.png
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2016-02-17T17:05:35 < klf> hi, i am using adc + dma on my stm32f4 discovery board. am i calculating the sample rate wrongly? https://bpaste.net/show/d1f3ee4d58e5 because it seems to run at 170-180kHz instead of ~120kHz
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2016-02-17T17:15:16 < jpa-> klf: hmm
2016-02-17T17:17:13 < jpa-> so what is your PCLK2 freq?
2016-02-17T17:17:49 < klf> jpa-: 84MHz
2016-02-17T17:18:21 < jpa-> klf: from ref man page 273 the number of cycles is just sampletime + 12
2016-02-17T17:18:26 < jpa-> what is tosampling_delay_cycles?
2016-02-17T17:19:36 < jpa-> ah, twosamplingdelay
2016-02-17T17:20:31 < jpa-> .. what is that? :P
2016-02-17T17:21:16 < jpa-> so are you doing interleaved conversion?
2016-02-17T17:22:13 < jpa-> it seems to me that "TwoSamplingDelay" only applies for multi-adc mode, per the ref man
2016-02-17T17:22:22 < klf> ah okay
2016-02-17T17:22:28 < jpa-> (DELAY in ADC_CCR)
2016-02-17T17:22:38 < klf> i am doing circular mode with HF an TC interrupts
2016-02-17T17:22:59 < jpa-> though with 144 cycle sample time, it cannot possibly be sampling over 145kHz
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2016-02-17T17:57:24 < klf> then maybe my elapsed time calculation is wrong... https://bpaste.net/show/0a48b6d67b35 (MAX_ADC_VALUES is DMA_BufferSize) since adjusting the sample rate calculation time_elapsed_ms is off by a factor of two
2016-02-17T17:59:53 < kakimir> i wonder if pc 4wire fan has any requirements for supply impendance
2016-02-17T18:00:16 < kakimir> does it have any sufficient caps in it
2016-02-17T18:02:25 < karlp> klf: why not just trigger the adc with a timer?
2016-02-17T18:02:30 < klf> i want to stop the dma and adc after 60ms (doesnt matter if it scans too long) but with my time calculation stops after 30ms (oscilloscope)
2016-02-17T18:03:31 < karlp> "I want to stop after x" and "doesn't matter if it goes too long" don't really seem to be compatible claims...
2016-02-17T18:04:58 < klf> karlp: i want to stop after 60ms. if the dma triggers the transfer complete interrupt later than 60ms where i have my stop method it doesn't matter, it should only scan at least 60ms
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2016-02-17T18:25:27 < jpa-> karlp: one can get higher speed with free-running ADC than timer-triggered, though
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2016-02-17T18:29:39 < MightyPork> kakimir: implemented your proposed bodge today. Didn't fix it 100%, but big improvement.
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2016-02-17T18:31:18 < kakimir> you have dodgy 3v3 line still?
2016-02-17T18:31:36 < MightyPork> a bit less now
2016-02-17T18:31:42 < kakimir> bodge no. 2
2016-02-17T18:31:51 < Tectu> dodgy 3v3 line? that sounds like not much fun
2016-02-17T18:31:56 < MightyPork> considering whether to add separate regulator for the ESP
2016-02-17T18:31:58 < kakimir> have dedicated LDO for that shiette radio
2016-02-17T18:32:07 < MightyPork> ye
2016-02-17T18:32:30 < kakimir> or bodge big ass cap directly on top of that on board cap on radio
2016-02-17T18:32:31 < MightyPork> certainly it helped with the analog part, the 5V is solid now
2016-02-17T18:32:46 < MightyPork> I might. it's a tiny smd tho
2016-02-17T18:32:46 < kakimir> you still have 3v3 referenced analogs
2016-02-17T18:32:59 < MightyPork> true, that's an issue
2016-02-17T18:33:09 < kakimir> hey
2016-02-17T18:33:29 < kakimir> do you have all 3v3 load in single line?
2016-02-17T18:33:35 < kakimir> braching out
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2016-02-17T18:33:55 < MightyPork> yes, kinda. why?
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2016-02-17T18:34:02 < MightyPork> it's a bad layout
2016-02-17T18:34:11 < kakimir> solder some bodge wire between ldo output and radio ferrite
2016-02-17T18:34:25 < kakimir> so there is no ohmic loss for those other parts
2016-02-17T18:34:30 < MightyPork> and cut the trace?
2016-02-17T18:34:34 < kakimir> but it's not the problem isnt it?
2016-02-17T18:34:43 < kakimir> no
2016-02-17T18:35:31 < kakimir> proper wire has something like magnitude less ohmic resistance
2016-02-17T18:36:02 < kakimir> what point you measure?
2016-02-17T18:36:14 < kakimir> all of the 3v3 branches?
2016-02-17T18:36:20 < kakimir> ldo output?
2016-02-17T18:36:28 < kakimir> radio voltage in?
2016-02-17T18:36:36 < MightyPork> somewhere past the esp
2016-02-17T18:37:22 < kakimir> esp?
2016-02-17T18:37:30 < kakimir> oh that radio
2016-02-17T18:37:40 < MightyPork> ldo -> *analog ref -> *esp -> [header] -> ferrite -> stm
2016-02-17T18:37:53 < kakimir> another problem
2016-02-17T18:38:05 < kakimir> you don't have solid ground plane or anything
2016-02-17T18:38:15 < MightyPork> I have ground fill on the backside
2016-02-17T18:38:20 < kakimir> so also gnd level is something not that solid
2016-02-17T18:38:23 < kakimir> oh
2016-02-17T18:38:24 < kakimir> good
2016-02-17T18:38:45 < kakimir> +1 for that
2016-02-17T18:39:27 < MightyPork> also an attempt at analog ground, but it's kinda messed up. didn't really understand how it's supposed to work when I drew it
2016-02-17T18:39:44 < kakimir> I don't know nether
2016-02-17T18:40:00 < kakimir> when in doubt have stiff common ground
2016-02-17T18:40:03 < kakimir> and lot of vias
2016-02-17T18:40:50 < kakimir> try that bodge wire feed
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2016-02-17T18:41:01 < kakimir> measure some before after stuff
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2016-02-17T18:42:31 < MightyPork> yea I will, sounds like an easier plan to try before adding another ldo
2016-02-17T18:44:16 < kakimir> is that board for some industrial application?
2016-02-17T18:46:52 < kakimir> scientific?
2016-02-17T18:46:59 < kakimir> general?
2016-02-17T18:47:08 < MightyPork> the idea is to test if it works and then it could be like a smart powerplug or something
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2016-02-17T18:47:23 < MightyPork> it's a university project so this piece is relaly just a PoC
2016-02-17T18:49:19 < MightyPork> it could work for industrial applications too, I guess. can do stuff like detecting a motor defect
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2016-02-17T19:12:53 < MightyPork> ok so the thick wire solution either changed nothing, or made it even worse
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2016-02-17T19:16:40 < MightyPork> crap, the scope saved setup instead of a screenshot.
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2016-02-17T19:22:34 < MightyPork> kakimir: got screenshots of the abuse it's doing to the 3V3
2016-02-17T19:22:40 < MightyPork> http://data.ondrovo.com/i/radio-restart-3V3.png
2016-02-17T19:22:46 < MightyPork> http://data.ondrovo.com/i/radio-idle-3V3.png
2016-02-17T19:23:22 < MightyPork> (the measure on right is wrong, it's 500mV/div)
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2016-02-17T20:30:57 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=u08NGTmxp-E
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2016-02-17T20:46:40 < upgrdman_> wtf. launching debug in lpcxpresso, and the processor breaks at the HardFault_Handler before even getting to main(). the shit worked last night, and this morning i can't even get to main()
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2016-02-17T20:57:34 < Rob235> anyone try the game unravel?
2016-02-17T21:00:47 < kakimir> can 26khz pwm cause computer fan not to start up?
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2016-02-17T21:01:43 < qyx> I assume yes
2016-02-17T21:01:58 < qyx> I would try something <200Hz
2016-02-17T21:02:34 < kakimir> tehfuq?
2016-02-17T21:02:45 < kakimir> 20khz+ is the way to go
2016-02-17T21:03:03 < kakimir> I need to check waveform when connected to fan btw
2016-02-17T21:03:10 < kakimir> if there is some load to it
2016-02-17T21:03:53 < kakimir> it may just cut that voltage down
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2016-02-17T21:06:00 < MightyPork> kakimir, btw got the thing sort of fixed with a crazy bodge job. Soldered a 10u + 100n straight onto the SMD cap in the radio
2016-02-17T21:06:14 < MightyPork> but usb can't handle it well. works only with external supply
2016-02-17T21:06:36 < kakimir> why it cant?
2016-02-17T21:06:38 < qyx> hm, for 4 wire fans they say 25kHz is optimal
2016-02-17T21:06:49 < qyx> do you have 4 wire or 3 wire?
2016-02-17T21:06:51 < kakimir> yes I have 25.6khz for some reason
2016-02-17T21:06:54 < kakimir> 4
2016-02-17T21:06:59 < kakimir> you know what
2016-02-17T21:07:09 < kakimir> I didn't have proper 4wire connector that molex kk
2016-02-17T21:07:28 < kakimir> so I soldered one pin of some component wire to it
2016-02-17T21:07:39 < kakimir> I turned the connector a bit
2016-02-17T21:07:48 < kakimir> and it works a treat
2016-02-17T21:07:49 < qyx> are you using the pwm input to control the speed?
2016-02-17T21:07:56 < qyx> or the + pole of the dc input?
2016-02-17T21:08:19 < qyx> meh
2016-02-17T21:08:20 < kakimir> I control speed with wire number 4
2016-02-17T21:08:24 < MightyPork> the LDO seems to need way over 5 V to be able to produce sufficient current at 3V3
2016-02-17T21:08:30 < kakimir> and turn the thing of with high side pmos
2016-02-17T21:08:40 < MightyPork> driving it at 8 now and the voltage is super smooth
2016-02-17T21:08:54 < kakimir> you need propper LDOs
2016-02-17T21:09:07 < MightyPork> it's some ST shite
2016-02-17T21:09:08 < kakimir> you dont throw ones you have to anything but the cheapest shiet
2016-02-17T21:09:15 < MightyPork> LD33A
2016-02-17T21:09:28 < kakimir> it's LD1117 isn't it?
2016-02-17T21:09:36 < kakimir> equal
2016-02-17T21:09:47 < MightyPork> yes 1117
2016-02-17T21:09:47 < kakimir> and it's the crap when you need the crap
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2016-02-17T21:10:04 < MightyPork> 117 is bad?
2016-02-17T21:10:55 < MightyPork> ds says it should handle 12W...
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2016-02-17T21:22:22 < scrts> wut?
2016-02-17T21:22:26 < scrts> 1.2max
2016-02-17T21:22:35 < scrts> with heatsilf size of a palm
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2016-02-17T21:24:58 < MightyPork> I probably read the ds wrong
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2016-02-17T21:47:52 < ambro718> What is the meaning of the SDIO RXACT flag? When is it cleared?
2016-02-17T21:48:37 < ambro718> I think I'm supposed to wait for it to clear at end of transfer, but, now that I switched do non-DMA transfer, it does not seem to clear
2016-02-17T21:49:32 < ambro718> DATAEND is raised without any of the error flags, and I proceed to wait for RXACT to clear, which never happens
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2016-02-17T21:55:30 < PeterM> 200gb sandisk microsd for $90 if anyone is interested, http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-200GB-Micro-SDSDQUAN-200G-G4A/dp/B00V62XBQQ
2016-02-17T21:55:41 < PeterM> was $250
2016-02-17T21:56:18 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4ba_1455730983
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2016-02-17T22:21:42 < Tectu> thanks PeterM!
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2016-02-17T22:26:50 < englishman> cool PeterM
2016-02-17T22:27:16 < englishman> thatll increase hd size on surface bro3 by 250%
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2016-02-17T22:37:31 < kakimir> biath
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2016-02-17T22:56:41 < ambro718> How much CPU usage can I expect if I use SDIO without DMA (specifically, set up an ISR to fire on RXFIFOHF/TXFIFOHE and transfer 8 words to/from the FIFO)?
2016-02-17T22:57:45 < ambro718> My ISR code is this currently, http://ideone.com/NPwLgy
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2016-02-17T22:58:09 < kakimir> wild guess with anything run on mcus: all of it
2016-02-17T22:59:55 < ambro718> Well it's working at least (no overrun/underrun), so it's not more than 100% :)
2016-02-17T23:02:18 < ambro718> The STM32F4 DMA is stupid because it does not allow you to transfer multiple buffers with SDIO for a single transfer (READ_MULTIPLE_BLOCKS, WRITE_MULTIPLE_BLOCKS).
2016-02-17T23:04:47 < ambro718> it would work if only some idiot didn't fuck it up in TWO ways:  1) if you enable DMA hardware flow control, the NBLK is overwritten to 0xFFFF after enabling the stream, so you can't let the DMA transfer just some data and complete, then you could restart it in an ISR with the next buffer.  2) if you disable DMA hardware flow control, it fucks up at the last transfer request for undocumented reasons (the DMA never gets the "last request" from the
2016-02-17T23:04:49 < ambro718> SDIO).
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2016-02-17T23:05:33 < ambro718> ** NBLK--> DMA NDTR
2016-02-17T23:07:27 < ambro718> actually there is a very ugly hack - when configuring the last DMA transfer, tell it to transfer 4 bytes less than you need to, and when that is done, you take responsibility for transferring the last 4 words by CPU
2016-02-17T23:11:28 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2o5wtMLtK4sOHNoQ05IUEtTeUU/view?usp=sharing my suck is ready
2016-02-17T23:12:53 < kakimir> it has just enought of power
2016-02-17T23:13:14 < BrainDamage> http://dirtypcbs.com/
2016-02-17T23:19:04 < kakimir> when does that chinese holiday end?
2016-02-17T23:19:24 < LA3PNA> these days
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2016-02-17T23:19:52 < LA3PNA> in china hollidays last untill you care to go back to work, or loose your job...
2016-02-17T23:20:35 < kakimir> not even that 2days that muricunts have?
2016-02-17T23:21:11 < kakimir> socialism smells
2016-02-17T23:21:36 < LA3PNA> most people had to be back to work the 16.th
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2016-02-17T23:48:17 < Ecco> BIGGEST COUNTRY : no ?
2016-02-17T23:49:55 < BrainDamage> it's not even biggest eco, but they do have a point
2016-02-17T23:50:11 < Ecco> yes :)
2016-02-17T23:54:15 < kakimir> have anyone yeat build an stm32 fun gen?
2016-02-17T23:54:18 < kakimir> yet
2016-02-17T23:54:38 < kakimir> at least 50mhz and true waveforms
2016-02-17T23:55:32 < kakimir> no but anything to be concidered?
2016-02-17T23:55:43 < kakimir> instead of 60dollar chinafun
2016-02-17T23:56:02 < LA3PNA> let us know when you can generate a sine with less than 0.01% distortion
2016-02-17T23:58:51 < BrainDamage> your waveform will be just great with 4 points per period at 50 MHz
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2016-02-18T00:01:36 < LA3PNA> he wrote milliHertz tho, that could work...
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2016-02-18T01:36:33 < kakimir> simple led driver got out of hand
2016-02-18T01:36:46 < kakimir> slightly under 300 parts
2016-02-18T01:37:21 < kakimir> hmm maybe 50 of those are testpoints thought
2016-02-18T01:38:56 < kakimir> at least 100resistors
2016-02-18T01:39:28 < crt> wtf
2016-02-18T01:39:42 < crt> 'simple led driver' is a buck chip and 5 components
2016-02-18T01:39:46 < kakimir> couple dozen of jumper / dupont / 2.54mm shiette
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2016-02-18T01:40:00 < Laurenceb_> argggg
2016-02-18T01:40:05 < Sync> wtf man, stop overengineering things
2016-02-18T01:40:10 < Laurenceb_> 78 airwires -> 60 in one day
2016-02-18T01:40:16 < Laurenceb_> what a shit day
2016-02-18T01:40:16 < Sync> nice
2016-02-18T01:40:22 < Sync> need some pakis to do the rest?
2016-02-18T01:40:46 < Laurenceb_> had to babysit bosses 4 daughters all day... in my office
2016-02-18T01:40:52 < Sync> nice
2016-02-18T01:41:11 < Laurenceb_> take a seat over there
2016-02-18T01:41:28 < kakimir> all the overengineering there is sma connections just in case
2016-02-18T01:41:38 < kakimir> and jumpers to route those shiette to mcu instead
2016-02-18T01:41:52 < kakimir> but you never know if you need sma
2016-02-18T01:42:04 < Laurenceb_> like a load of feral cats :-/
2016-02-18T01:42:32 < Laurenceb_> I gave them an old laptop to play minecraft and that shut them up
2016-02-18T01:43:34 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/aNjG8.png
2016-02-18T01:44:03 < Laurenceb_> did kakimir get a job yet?
2016-02-18T01:44:18 < kakimir> not any permanent one
2016-02-18T01:44:21 < kakimir> why?
2016-02-18T01:44:33 < kakimir> is it some importance to you?
2016-02-18T01:44:59 < Laurenceb_> there are lots of Finns working in UK
2016-02-18T01:45:11 < Laurenceb_> like several just at my company
2016-02-18T01:45:17 < kakimir> I started filling papers of local "dole"
2016-02-18T01:45:42 < Laurenceb_> NEET confirmed
2016-02-18T01:46:28 < kakimir> then I read their shiet and it said that in my situation I can't get any money out of there
2016-02-18T01:46:36  * Laurenceb_ wonders if EMdrive has also been confirmed
2016-02-18T01:47:00 < Laurenceb_> why are there 6 forum threads with >160pages and still no high quality results
2016-02-18T01:47:09 < Sync> because forum thread
2016-02-18T01:47:12 < englishman> Laurenceb_: kakimir is a pro irc EE i think that counts as employment
2016-02-18T01:47:13 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-02-18T01:47:16 < Sync> not pro enough
2016-02-18T01:47:20 < Laurenceb_> lol englishman
2016-02-18T01:47:33 < kakimir> unless I wait half a year and also receive shit like motivational courses and such
2016-02-18T01:47:47 < kakimir> so no
2016-02-18T01:48:23 < kakimir> half a year running around for nothing
2016-02-18T01:48:43 < englishman> you should stick to being an irc pro
2016-02-18T01:48:51 < englishman> definitely not a waste of time
2016-02-18T01:49:51 < kakimir> social system is build to support someone else
2016-02-18T01:50:22 < Laurenceb_> CONGRATULATIONS to NSF user and contributor to the EM Drive thread "WarpTech" Todd Desiato
2016-02-18T01:50:22 < Laurenceb_> whose article THE ELECTROMAGNETIC QUANTUM VACUUM WARP DRIVE, has now been accepted for publication in the Journal of the British Interplanetary Society
2016-02-18T01:50:26 < Laurenceb_> oh my god
2016-02-18T01:50:40 < kakimir> englishman: seriously?
2016-02-18T01:50:43 < kakimir> irc pro
2016-02-18T01:50:54 < kakimir> I need to check that in my CV
2016-02-18T01:51:05 < Laurenceb_> why does this remind me of  https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/002/228/081/47edc16707c3ea3d43c127c502d4fbd4_large.jpg?1404420709
2016-02-18T01:51:05 < kakimir> full time for years
2016-02-18T01:51:32 < englishman> The Journal of the British Interplanetary Society (JBIS) is a monthly peer-reviewed scientific journal that was established in 1934.
2016-02-18T01:51:38 < englishman> its ok Laurenceb_ its peer reviewed
2016-02-18T01:52:16 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-02-18T01:56:53 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: finland is like congo
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2016-02-18T01:57:35 < kakimir> britts, yankees and germans cherrypick engineers from here
2016-02-18T01:58:00 < kakimir> because 2-5x salaries
2016-02-18T01:58:13 < kakimir> or something like that
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2016-02-18T02:01:22 < kakimir> but schooling and skills in average are concidered something like top class
2016-02-18T02:01:44 < kakimir> not lesser
2016-02-18T02:02:11 < Laurenceb_> I see
2016-02-18T02:02:19 < Laurenceb_> I thought it was more releated to Nokia
2016-02-18T02:03:00 < kakimir> hmm ofc
2016-02-18T02:03:12 < kakimir> they fired like 25k engineers
2016-02-18T02:03:19 < kakimir> or something
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2016-02-18T02:05:39 < upgrdman> is stm dieing or someshit? their stock has been nonstop downhill this entire year
2016-02-18T02:06:43 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: what your company does`?
2016-02-18T02:08:13 < Laurenceb_> random biomedical monitoring crap
2016-02-18T02:08:30 < Laurenceb_> started off as Foetal ECG then into other stuff
2016-02-18T02:09:08 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2016-02-18T02:09:10 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/CjnFYRJ.png
2016-02-18T02:09:17 < Laurenceb_> 8ch/v/ is trolling hard
2016-02-18T02:09:33 < Laurenceb_> or was...
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2016-02-18T02:16:34 < kakimir> so who was working in rocket company?
2016-02-18T02:17:48 < zyp> I've played KSP, does that count?
2016-02-18T02:18:27 < kakimir> it countereffects
2016-02-18T02:22:34 < crt> neat
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2016-02-18T02:23:51 < Sync>  keq Laurenceb_
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2016-02-18T02:26:03 < kakimir> I move to 0402 in 0.1µF bypasses
2016-02-18T02:26:22 < kakimir> should clear room in critical places
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2016-02-18T02:40:03 < kakimir> pricy cap. 4.7µF 100V mlcc tends to cost around 1.5-2.5euros vat0%
2016-02-18T02:40:14 < kakimir> good there is only one of those
2016-02-18T02:42:37 < kakimir> it seems to scale in capacitance
2016-02-18T02:43:32 < kakimir> 2.2µF 100V +0.7euros vat0%
2016-02-18T02:45:17 < dongs> http://www.gizmag.com/milrem-unmanned-robot-combat-vehicle/41845/ w tf
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2016-02-18T02:49:43 < kakimir> future of free the shit out
2016-02-18T02:50:17 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/ADUM3160BRWZ/ADUM3160BRWZ-ND/2361054 why is this $7
2016-02-18T02:50:37 < kakimir> because analog devices
2016-02-18T02:50:46 < kakimir> my guru told that chip is absolute hell
2016-02-18T02:51:57 < kakimir> noise flew thru the roof and they spend day trying to quiet it down but didn't succeed
2016-02-18T02:54:22 < kakimir> noise as compliance measurements in that antenna room
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2016-02-18T03:06:40 < kakimir> what you plan to use that dongs?
2016-02-18T03:09:50 < dongs> wat
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2016-02-18T03:21:00 < kakimir> usb isolator
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2016-02-18T03:26:06 < dongs> to isolate usb
2016-02-18T03:27:06 < Laurenceb_> usb isolator?
2016-02-18T03:27:07 < Laurenceb_> nice
2016-02-18T03:27:52 < Laurenceb_> 2.5KV wtf
2016-02-18T03:29:52 < Laurenceb_> thats useless, wont let you do anything useful like medical kit
2016-02-18T03:30:48  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2016-02-18T03:34:40 < kakimir> that is ok for mains
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2016-02-18T03:37:15 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Software-defined-reciver-using-Fpga/ attn emeb
2016-02-18T03:38:42 < emeb> dongs: haha
2016-02-18T03:38:46 < emeb> been there done that
2016-02-18T03:39:00 < emeb> Not VHDL though
2016-02-18T03:39:40 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Clean-House-Business/
2016-02-18T03:41:01 < emeb> heh - $166 for that.
2016-02-18T03:41:05 < emeb> not hardly.
2016-02-18T03:41:18 < emeb> that's like 1hour of my time.
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2016-02-18T03:47:21 < upgrdman> typical event in japan  http://gfycat.com/DefiantLegitimateIrishwaterspaniel
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2016-02-18T04:16:04 < upgrdman> R2COM:
2016-02-18T04:16:05 < upgrdman> typical event in japan  http://gfycat.com/DefiantLegitimateIrishwaterspaniel
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2016-02-18T04:18:46 < Rob235> I'm only 5 min in but if you have $20, unravel is a good thing to spend it on
2016-02-18T04:21:46 < upgrdman> :)
2016-02-18T04:22:16 < upgrdman> rite
2016-02-18T04:25:44 < dongs> what teh fuck
2016-02-18T04:25:56 < dongs> i got a japtv copyright match on this rocket liftoff video
2016-02-18T04:25:57 < dongs> https://youtu.be/4qqRUJ5M_U8?t=44
2016-02-18T04:26:25 < dongs> view it
2016-02-18T04:26:37 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-18T04:26:44 < dongs> why is it content ID'd on jewtube
2016-02-18T04:27:33 < dongs> Copyrighted content was found in your video.
2016-02-18T04:27:33 < dongs> The claimant is allowing their content to be used in your YouTube video. However, you won't be able to monetize your video.
2016-02-18T04:27:42 < dongs> Visual content
2016-02-18T04:27:42 < dongs> 0:49 - 1:22  play match
2016-02-18T04:27:43 < dongs> fujitv_official
2016-02-18T04:28:37 < dongs> no its automatic
2016-02-18T04:28:42 < dongs> i just fucking uploaded it
2016-02-18T04:29:48 < Sync> probably because it is also on fujitv_official
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2016-02-18T04:30:58 < dongs> https://youtu.be/6ZsR1THbzsU?t=20https://youtu.be/6ZsR1THbzsU?t=20
2016-02-18T04:31:02 < dongs> mine doesnt have any faggot logos
2016-02-18T04:31:53 < Sync> ye, proably should tell them to suck it
2016-02-18T04:31:56 < Sync> but hm, idk
2016-02-18T04:32:09 < Sync> is that the fujitv transponder or wat?
2016-02-18T04:32:14 < dongs> like NASA shit is automatically public domain
2016-02-18T04:32:19 < dongs> because its government run stuff
2016-02-18T04:32:24 < dongs> shouldnt jaxa be in same category?
2016-02-18T04:32:37 < dongs> Sync: tv-asahi
2016-02-18T04:32:43 < Sync> hmm
2016-02-18T04:33:19 < Sync> how do you actually receive that shit, just a regular receiver or some special sauce stuff?
2016-02-18T04:33:36 < dongs> https://youtu.be/kH-wJ1E00wA?t=1216
2016-02-18T04:33:41 < dongs> same shit on jaxaofficial
2016-02-18T04:34:06 < dongs> Sync: just 16/32apsk which is standard dvb-s2 stuff just not a lot of cards support it
2016-02-18T04:34:27 < Sync> ah
2016-02-18T04:35:45 < Sync> I should get me one of those cards
2016-02-18T04:36:09 < dongs> I got dox on silabs demod that also does the new DVB_S2X stuff
2016-02-18T04:36:15 < dongs> that im gonna make a receiver for
2016-02-18T04:36:49 < dongs> no
2016-02-18T04:36:55 < dongs> i wouldnt buy anything porsche because it looks dumb as fuck
2016-02-18T04:37:10 < dongs> googled, dumb: confirmed
2016-02-18T04:38:57 < Sync> oh, interesting dongs
2016-02-18T04:39:01 < Sync> I'd be into that
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2016-02-18T04:44:18 < dongs> yeah, if jap silabs distributor would call me back about evalboard/actually buying the fucking ICs
2016-02-18T04:44:35 < dongs> i ahve all teh docs + software and shit
2016-02-18T04:47:38 < Sync> can't you just chiancloner it?
2016-02-18T04:49:18 < dongs> what, the demod ic? no.
2016-02-18T04:52:11 < Sync> hm
2016-02-18T04:52:19 < dongs> i will get it
2016-02-18T04:52:24 < dongs> its just retarded how jap distributors work
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2016-02-18T04:52:44 < dongs> they obv dont want anyones business
2016-02-18T04:52:59 < Sync> what is that shit, si21812 or what?
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2016-02-18T04:56:23 < dongs> yeah one of those
2016-02-18T04:56:25 < dongs> 2183 or somethign
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2016-02-18T04:58:07 < emeb_mac> R2COM: define "pro" :)
2016-02-18T04:58:18 < dongs> cuz matlab and java
2016-02-18T04:58:26 < emeb_mac> I've been using it for 20+ yrs - dunno what that means
2016-02-18T04:58:52 < emeb_mac> ah - slow plots usually caused by lots of data in the plot
2016-02-18T04:58:52 < Sync> oh wat, no real distributor has that shit dongs
2016-02-18T04:59:21 < emeb_mac> yeah
2016-02-18T05:00:06 < emeb_mac> matlab doesn't really use the GPU for its graphics
2016-02-18T05:00:15 < emeb_mac> unless you're doing shaded 3d stuff
2016-02-18T05:00:46 < emeb_mac> simple vector plots are pretty lame.
2016-02-18T05:01:16 < emeb_mac> fuck if I know - I didn't code that thing.
2016-02-18T05:01:34 < emeb_mac> I use it and see it's slow for > 50k points
2016-02-18T05:02:16 < LA3PNA> matlab is slow even for 2 points
2016-02-18T05:02:28 < emeb_mac> all I can say is your experience seems in line with my experience.
2016-02-18T05:02:49 < emeb_mac> R2COM: perhaps you should switch over to Python + matplotlib
2016-02-18T05:02:56 < emeb_mac> that's pretty nice - even looks better
2016-02-18T05:03:21 < emeb_mac> dunno
2016-02-18T05:03:34 < emeb_mac> I've barely used it. It looks good and seems fast.
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2016-02-18T05:04:32 < dongs> readstoner, did you ever finish the shit you were doing wiht ADV7280M
2016-02-18T05:07:51 < emeb_mac> R2COM: Matlab is good for some serious work, but it's not architected with modern resources in mind.
2016-02-18T05:08:28 < emeb_mac> I use it daily for designing & testing communications stuff, but it doesn't take advantage of my machine.
2016-02-18T05:08:59 < emeb_mac> I've got a quad-core system but Matlab won't use all four cores unless I pay extra for "parallel computing toolbox"
2016-02-18T05:09:24 < emeb_mac> Their business model is based on milking big companies for $$$
2016-02-18T05:09:29 < upgrdman> "we're going to ass fuck you, and you're going to like it."
2016-02-18T05:09:45 < emeb_mac> so they don't put the high-performance stuff in the entry-level tool
2016-02-18T05:10:43 < emeb_mac> The stuff that I do in Matlab could also be done in Gnu Radio and it would probably run 100x faster.
2016-02-18T05:11:02 < Sync> yes
2016-02-18T05:11:10 < Sync> all of them plottings
2016-02-18T05:18:42 < upgrdman> lolwut  http://i.imgur.com/i1tjeFc.jpg
2016-02-18T05:22:20 < dongs> haha typical japanese activity
2016-02-18T05:25:18 < upgrdman> :)
2016-02-18T05:29:28 < aandrew> upgrdman: lol
2016-02-18T05:29:38 < upgrdman> :)
2016-02-18T05:31:57 < dongs> retweeted it into another channel
2016-02-18T05:31:58 < dongs> guy goes
2016-02-18T05:32:01 < dongs> "next page"?
2016-02-18T05:32:08 < upgrdman> lol
2016-02-18T05:32:54 < Sync> noice
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2016-02-18T05:56:15 < dongs> yay
2016-02-18T05:56:18 < dongs> got the snaphat
2016-02-18T05:57:04 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=497-3686-5-ND
2016-02-18T05:57:05 < dongs> this
2016-02-18T05:57:11 < dongs> batery for my old spectrum analyzer
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2016-02-18T07:06:22 < upgrdman> lol http://imgur.com/r/China/SFAqacJ
2016-02-18T07:11:33 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/r/China/fZRlliB
2016-02-18T07:46:02 < dongs> http://saturn.tlt.co.jp/pdocs/s/LDT6LGE17S50W this is spendy but worth it
2016-02-18T07:46:08 < dongs> bright as shit
2016-02-18T07:52:41 < crt> used to be a fucken pineapple
2016-02-18T07:56:47 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/r/China/CG85JuD
2016-02-18T08:02:18 < dongs> lovely fineprint
2016-02-18T08:02:24 < dongs> if this bin is full or you have any complaint
2016-02-18T08:03:25 < upgrdman> lol
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2016-02-18T08:37:25 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/zP3GClp.jpg  <-- dongs talking to his kids
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2016-02-18T08:44:30 < dongs> seen before
2016-02-18T08:44:32 < dongs> not ufnny
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2016-02-18T08:52:13 < crt> the dogs
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2016-02-18T09:06:11 < jpa-> what could cause approx. 25 s period noise in a typical office environment? does not seem to be aliased as it stays the same at any samplerate: http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/pix/capnoise.png
2016-02-18T09:06:53 < jpa-> (measuring some sensor capacitance using STM32 ADC by checking how much the sample & hold cap causes the voltage to drop)
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2016-02-18T09:13:57 < Sync> defective fluo lights?
2016-02-18T09:14:17 < Sync> AC pwming?
2016-02-18T09:15:24 < jpa-> hmm
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2016-02-18T11:46:04 < dongs> attn upgrdman http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=65a_1455725353
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2016-02-18T11:48:00 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/User-Interface-IA/VCCS-Japan-protocol-MDB-protocol/ wat
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2016-02-18T11:48:52 < dongs> http://www.google.com/patents/WO1999050800A2?cl=en
2016-02-18T11:49:03 < dongs> Another option for using a Japanese peripheral device in a U.S. machine would be to provide the U.S. machine with a controller having two serial ports. One of the ports would be dedicated to the MDB bus, while the other would be dedicated to the VCCS bus. Unfortunately, this requires a custom integrated circuit (IC) that has two serial ports. Such a customized IC is very expensive.
2016-02-18T11:49:09 < dongs> haha wat
2016-02-18T11:49:49 < dongs> ah its from 1999
2016-02-18T11:49:55 < dongs> i guess back then AVR with 2 uarts was really expensive
2016-02-18T11:51:17 < zyp> haha
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2016-02-18T11:55:22 < qyx> mdb vccs wat
2016-02-18T11:55:32 < qyx> going into vending machine business?
2016-02-18T11:55:38 < sadara> has anyone here used the RTC out alarm to control a EN for a DC/DC convertor? I'm trying to reduce power usagein standby to an absolute minimum
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2016-02-18T12:08:02 < dongs> qyx, no, just retweeting from that feelancer link
2016-02-18T12:08:16 < dongs> sadara: why not, where's the problem, just do it ?
2016-02-18T12:08:46 < sadara> I was wondering about the timing...
2016-02-18T12:09:25 < sadara> It looks like it should work, if the Brownout detector is disabled
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2016-02-18T12:10:16 < crt> who will clean up the mess if the brownout detector is disabled?
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2016-02-18T12:12:11 < dongs> anything like rtpatch but opensores?
2016-02-18T12:15:02 < dongs> http://www.pocketsoft.com/rtpatch_attopatch.html nice
2016-02-18T12:18:30 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Android/need-the-PCB-design-gerber/
2016-02-18T12:18:32 < dongs> yea, no
2016-02-18T12:18:54 < dongs> i can bid like 5k
2016-02-18T12:19:02 < dongs> lol jamaica
2016-02-18T12:19:07 < dongs> 5k is probably his yearly income
2016-02-18T12:19:36 < crt> they can stick it
2016-02-18T12:19:41 < dongs> > please bid for this project so we can get started the lowest bid will be accepted
2016-02-18T12:19:44 < dongs> ha ha ha
2016-02-18T12:19:56 < crt> who are these spastics
2016-02-18T12:20:17 < qyx> project budget is ~250$
2016-02-18T12:20:35 < dongs> for waht he wants for $250, he can fuck right off
2016-02-18T12:20:51 < dongs> > I need the PCB design, gerber file, boom list, firmware progam file, app, and aworking prototype of a game control for android phone.
2016-02-18T12:21:12 < dongs> so i will make a schema, pcb, prototype, write firmware, and deliver it to this jamacan fuck on a silver plate, all for $250?
2016-02-18T12:21:17 < dongs> sign me right up!
2016-02-18T12:24:42 < MightyPork> stupid electronics question: Will choke/ferrite before X also stop X from messing up the supply level with current spikes?
2016-02-18T12:24:56 < MightyPork> or just prevents those from coming in
2016-02-18T12:25:12 < dongs> unrelated answer: choke/fb after coil but before cap will destroy your dc/dc converter
2016-02-18T12:25:42 < MightyPork> why? also I have just LDOs
2016-02-18T12:29:15 < MightyPork> why I ask is because I can cut the power trace on the radio module and put a choke there, but not sure if it will help
2016-02-18T12:29:30 < MightyPork> adding caps seems futile
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2016-02-18T12:32:08 < dongs> holy shit
2016-02-18T12:32:13 < dongs> japs missile warning system runs on lunix
2016-02-18T12:32:55 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/n9blo5K.jpg
2016-02-18T12:34:43 < ReadError> holy shit, i just watched Laurenceb's link from yesterday
2016-02-18T12:34:44 < ReadError> http://www.cringechannel.com/2016/01/07/video-guy-promises-a-book-to-fund-his-cybermatrix/
2016-02-18T12:35:55 < dongs> +5, Informative
2016-02-18T12:37:30 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nqQzzTKl6k hahaha
2016-02-18T13:25:06 < qyx> uhm, debian and iceweasel
2016-02-18T13:25:59 < zyp> dongs, so north korea already won
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2016-02-18T13:41:10 < dongs> zyp, pretty much
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2016-02-18T14:45:48 < MightyPork> know if there are some assembler files like the CMSIS device stuff? periph. definitions etc
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2016-02-18T14:47:14 < artag> I thought NK had done there own special flavour of Linux ?
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2016-02-18T14:48:12 < artag> more likely the missile control systems will cosy up and refuse to shoot each other
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2016-02-18T14:51:13 < dongs> MightyPork: what does your question mean
2016-02-18T14:51:40 < MightyPork> I need an assembler file with the register addresses for eg. F303
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2016-02-18T14:51:49 < jpa-> artag: unlikely, they are different distros so immediate ragewar
2016-02-18T14:51:55 < MightyPork> so far I've been extracting it from the Cube-made C, but it's a huge pain
2016-02-18T14:52:13 < dongs> MightyPork: autogenerate it from the main header file(s)
2016-02-18T14:52:22 < jpa-> yeah, autogenerate from something
2016-02-18T14:52:24 < dongs> why the fuck would y ou be doing anything wiht ARM asm tho?
2016-02-18T14:52:31 < dongs> feeling super bored?
2016-02-18T14:52:41 < zyp> MightyPork, read the F303 RM?
2016-02-18T14:52:45 < MightyPork> no, teacher wants me to help prepare boilerplate for next course
2016-02-18T14:52:49 < jpa-> IIRC there are rumours of an XML that you could use also.. and take a look at nuttx or opencm3 if they are easier to rip than st's own files
2016-02-18T14:52:58 < MightyPork> they're moving from 8051 to STM32
2016-02-18T14:53:01 < dongs> jpa, st's header is one file
2016-02-18T14:53:07 < dongs> the main one with all the shit for fxx
2016-02-18T14:53:11 < dongs> all teh registers/etc
2016-02-18T14:53:19 < jpa-> dongs: yeah, but it uses C structs
2016-02-18T14:53:23 < dongs> yeah so?
2016-02-18T14:53:24 < MightyPork> if you mean the stdperiph driver, that won't work directly
2016-02-18T14:53:26 < jpa-> so more difficult to get addresses for ASM
2016-02-18T14:53:26 < MightyPork> they use structs
2016-02-18T14:53:50 < dongs> not only do they use structs, they use like 2-3 layers of indirection for hte address
2016-02-18T14:54:01 < PaulFertser> artag: there was an interesting talk on this year's CCC regarding special features of the NK's OS.
2016-02-18T14:54:04 < dongs> something like AHB_BASE + CRAP_BASE + STUFF + DEVICE_STRUCT
2016-02-18T14:54:15 < MightyPork> yeah that also
2016-02-18T14:54:30 < dongs> so to calculate ifnal offset you almost have to parse the .C file and understand the language structure programmatically
2016-02-18T14:54:32 < MightyPork> I could possibly write some python shite to parse it but I hoped there's something ready
2016-02-18T14:54:44 < artag> PaulFertser: yeah, I think that's where I heard of it
2016-02-18T14:54:44 < jpa-> https://github.com/PX4/NuttX/blob/master/nuttx/arch/arm/src/stm32/chip/stm32f10xxx_gpio.h   maybe this is easier
2016-02-18T14:54:45 < dongs> i think you should, so that nobodyt can read shit you wrote
2016-02-18T14:55:35 < jpa-> MightyPork: well you could generate a .c file with bunch of   printf("define GPIOC_IDR 0x%08x\n", &GPIOC->IDR);   and then run that
2016-02-18T14:55:41 < MightyPork> that's almost it jpa-
2016-02-18T14:56:10 < jpa-> then it is only a problem of getting list like "GPIOC_IDR, GPIOC_ODR" etc. from somewhere to list the symbols you need
2016-02-18T14:56:52 < MightyPork> I have the whole library done for L100, but now they want F303
2016-02-18T14:57:06 < MightyPork> so there will be differences in the peripherals I guess
2016-02-18T14:57:09 < jpa-> why do they want to write assembler?
2016-02-18T14:57:13 < jpa-> yeah, lots of them
2016-02-18T14:57:29 < zyp> probably an asm course
2016-02-18T14:57:32 < MightyPork> some twisted idea that it's best to learn embedded by doing asm
2016-02-18T14:57:42 < zyp> it's best to learn asm by doing asm
2016-02-18T14:57:56 < zyp> and knowing asm is useful even if you're not going to write it
2016-02-18T14:58:00 < MightyPork> the asm is kind of fun to write actually. but not for anything bigger
2016-02-18T14:58:17 < PaulFertser> This project has plenty of xml files for different targets: https://sourceforge.net/projects/embsysregview/
2016-02-18T14:58:24 < zyp> cortex-m is probably a nice arch to learn asm on too
2016-02-18T14:58:44 < zyp> my uni used avr for the asm course
2016-02-18T14:58:49 < MightyPork> uh malware-forge
2016-02-18T14:59:03 < zyp> which means a bunch of extra works whenever you want to deal with values >8bit
2016-02-18T14:59:28 < jpa-> MightyPork: you fear malware in your xmls?
2016-02-18T14:59:49 < MightyPork> they add phishy stuff to downloads, not sure if here also
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2016-02-18T15:00:04 < jpa-> zyp: though learning how crappy it is to do division is a good lesson when coding for platforms without division :P
2016-02-18T15:00:29 < jpa-> MightyPork: sure, everyone knows that, but just grab the .xmls from the repo
2016-02-18T15:01:34 < dongs> MightyPork: they terminated this program as of last week.
2016-02-18T15:01:47 < dongs> http://www.pcworld.com/article/3032490/internet/new-sourceforge-owners-kill-contentious-devshare-bloatware-program.html
2016-02-18T15:01:50 < zyp> I remember we had some task to deal with some time stuff, where you had to do a bunch of branches and shit to format some numbers
2016-02-18T15:02:22 < MightyPork> I know they say they did. don't trust anything they say or do anymore
2016-02-18T15:02:27 < dongs> shrug
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2016-02-18T15:02:44 < zyp> I figured out that instead of branching I could multiply with some magic factor that gave the correct output for all valid inputs
2016-02-18T15:03:23 < zyp> teacher was not impressed :/
2016-02-18T15:04:23 < jpa-> teachers are sometimes annoying
2016-02-18T15:04:50 < karlp> MightyPork: you can get SVD files from st and friends, that have it all in xml.. if you're excited
2016-02-18T15:04:54 < MightyPork> PaulFertser: where in the project are the xml files? Found just some java trash
2016-02-18T15:05:12 < jpa-> i once got complaints about sampling bitbang i2c at the end of the clock instead of middle; but because it was master and drivign the clock, it's not like the GPIO clear on next cycle could affect sampling from previous edge
2016-02-18T15:05:30 < karlp> yeah, the ones PaulFertser linked to. nvm
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2016-02-18T15:06:29 < PaulFertser> MightyPork: there must be some sources for that java trash
2016-02-18T15:06:33 < MightyPork> Oh, it's jar in a folder in the jar
2016-02-18T15:06:36 < PaulFertser> MightyPork: they have xml files inside.
2016-02-18T15:06:45 < MightyPork> yea think I got there now
2016-02-18T15:07:06 < MightyPork> whoa 1 GB of XML
2016-02-18T15:08:19 < MightyPork> f3 is missing .__.
2016-02-18T15:08:31 < karlp> well, it's normally in a SVD directory in teh st downloads too.
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2016-02-18T15:09:06 < MightyPork> oh, I see. what does SVD stand for?
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2016-02-18T15:10:24 < karlp> http://www.keil.com/pack/doc/CMSIS/SVD/html/index.html
2016-02-18T15:10:51 < dongs> ya svd is awesoem
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2016-02-18T15:11:59 < karlp> or just get them from https://cmsis.arm.com/vendor/stmicroelectronics/
2016-02-18T15:12:02 < MightyPork> it killed my text editor..
2016-02-18T15:12:23 < karlp> yeah, they'll do that.
2016-02-18T15:12:26 < karlp> they're pretty verbose
2016-02-18T15:12:57 < karlp> turns out text editor people aren't always used to people actually you know, working on files.
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2016-02-18T15:14:55 < MightyPork> karlp the link you gave me doesn't work, is it some protected page ?
2016-02-18T15:16:52 < MightyPork> oh I had to open the arm page and loiguin first, then click the link. nvm
2016-02-18T15:16:58 < MightyPork> *login
2016-02-18T15:17:32 < karlp> yeah, you will have a eula that you only use st svd files for doing something with st devices.
2016-02-18T15:17:40 < karlp> up to you how you take that sort of thing :)
2016-02-18T15:19:06 < MightyPork> that makes sense, would be a bummer if someone used ST svd files for like working on PIC
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2016-02-18T15:23:58 < karlp> or, more relevant... gd32
2016-02-18T15:24:37 < MightyPork> that's some chinese knockoff?
2016-02-18T15:30:39 < MightyPork> oh. that looks interesting actually
2016-02-18T15:30:54 < dongs> as interesting as stm32 is
2016-02-18T15:32:50 < MightyPork> most interesting is the website -> http://www.gigadevice.com/product-series/26.html?locale=en_US
2016-02-18T15:33:01 < MightyPork> takes a lot of weed to make page like this
2016-02-18T15:33:25 < dongs> even better, they stole ST's parametric tables
2016-02-18T15:33:29 < dongs> javascript/whatever
2016-02-18T15:34:24 < MightyPork> the table is pretty awful even in the original
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2016-02-18T16:01:04 < MightyPork> found a python lib for the SVD parsing: https://github.com/posborne/cmsis-svd
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2016-02-18T16:16:57 < Laurenceb> lsm9ss1 looks fun to solder
2016-02-18T16:17:02 < Laurenceb> *lsm9ds1
2016-02-18T16:21:50 < kakimir> https://olimex.wordpress.com/2016/02/17/a64-olinuxino-64-bit-arm-oshw-designed-completely-with-kicad-is-live/ all you kicad haters
2016-02-18T16:22:03 < kakimir> attn dongs
2016-02-18T16:22:46 < englishman> The bottom line – KiCAD is tested and can produce working complex boards with controlled impedance.
2016-02-18T16:22:48 < englishman> so can mspaint
2016-02-18T16:27:03 < kakimir> there is some difference in practicality
2016-02-18T16:27:52 < kakimir> but yeah
2016-02-18T16:28:06 < kakimir> so can piece of paper and pen
2016-02-18T16:53:33 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_peUxE_BKcU
2016-02-18T16:55:42 < Laurenceb> wtf I thought this was an 8chan troll
2016-02-18T16:55:46 < Laurenceb> unicef WTF
2016-02-18T16:56:08 < Laurenceb> maybe they gave the animation contract to /b/
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2016-02-18T17:16:27 < MightyPork> they have a problem with people shitting on the streets in India, thats why
2016-02-18T17:17:15 < karlp> bleh, libusb input7output error. what does that even mean.
2016-02-18T17:17:35 < jpa-> i thought shitting in the streets was the solution
2016-02-18T17:17:50 < jpa-> problem is the feeling in stomach like you need to shit
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2016-02-18T17:49:46 < kakimir> unicef = 4chan
2016-02-18T17:52:47 < Sync> they also have patrols hosing down public urinators
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2016-02-18T18:34:51 < kakimir> a billion people taking shit and pee
2016-02-18T18:35:03 < kakimir> think how many toilet you would need
2016-02-18T18:35:38 < kakimir> it's cheaper to build one street instead of 100 toilets
2016-02-18T18:36:28 < englishman> congratulations Laurenceb http://i.imgur.com/IElsN0a.jpg
2016-02-18T18:37:56 < Laurenceb> top kek
2016-02-18T18:38:22 < kakimir> is Laurenceb femcuck?
2016-02-18T18:38:36 < Laurenceb> kakineet
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2016-02-18T18:50:40 < kakimir> we both know which is worse
2016-02-18T18:51:21 < kakimir> oh I found something looking like a job
2016-02-18T18:53:37 < kakimir> local medical tech place I looking for some electronics installer or so
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2016-02-18T18:54:08 < zyp> for installing sma connectors?
2016-02-18T18:55:17 < kakimir> hopefully
2016-02-18T18:56:21 < kakimir> dream job
2016-02-18T18:57:07 < ReadError> zyp help ;(
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2016-02-18T18:57:08 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/UMJDJ.jpg
2016-02-18T18:57:13 < ReadError> i pressed something and turned this on
2016-02-18T18:57:22 < ReadError> and i dont know what its called or how to turn it off
2016-02-18T18:57:43 < zyp> solution is simple; press something and turn it off agains!
2016-02-18T18:57:53 < ReadError> lol ya but i dont know what i pressed heh
2016-02-18T18:57:53 < zyp> (no, I've never seen that before either)
2016-02-18T18:58:03 < ReadError> its something to do with length
2016-02-18T18:58:07 < zyp> well, if even you don't know, how do you expect me to? :p
2016-02-18T18:58:09 < ReadError> i think anyways
2016-02-18T18:58:26 < ReadError> idk, thought you use altium so figured it was worth an ask
2016-02-18T19:02:13 < dongs> its obviously some length matching shit
2016-02-18T19:02:16 < dongs> and youre just a terd
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2016-02-18T19:11:40 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6xyISW6PWQ some girl energy for ya all
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2016-02-18T19:33:49 < Tectu> what on earth am I listening to
2016-02-18T19:34:31 < Tectu> reminds me heavily of this: https://youtu.be/kfVsfOSbJY0?t=98
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2016-02-18T19:51:44 < Martin90> is anybody here use SW4STM32 ?
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2016-02-18T19:58:24 < dongs> nobody did last time you as ked
2016-02-18T19:58:26 < dongs> cuz its shit
2016-02-18T20:00:06 < Steffanx> its kak.
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2016-02-18T20:10:51 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/mTDYJ0l.png
2016-02-18T20:10:57 < Laurenceb> my little pony confirmed
2016-02-18T20:13:10 < Martin90> nice design
2016-02-18T20:13:36 < Martin90> Steffanx: kak ?
2016-02-18T20:14:12 < Martin90> dongs: Keil doesn't look like valuable alternative :>
2016-02-18T20:19:30 < Laurenceb> yeah but LSM9DS1 (top right) is going to be a pita to solder
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2016-02-18T20:28:26 < Martin90> but I must agree with dongs, SW4STM32 is shit software..
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2016-02-18T20:29:08 < dongs> you don't needto be dongs to figure that one out
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2016-02-18T20:30:34 < Martin90> I don;t understand why they decided to hide src and inc folder from project explorer and instead show Application folder o.0
2016-02-18T20:30:57 < Martin90> and there is one big files and folder mess
2016-02-18T20:31:09 < Martin90> the problem is I can't find good alternative for a while..
2016-02-18T20:31:27 < Martin90> now I am installing IAR workbench ..
2016-02-18T20:31:41 < dongs> ...
2016-02-18T20:31:47 < dongs> iar is fuckign aids
2016-02-18T20:32:06 < dongs> just either use raw eclipse +gnuarm or pirate/buy keil
2016-02-18T20:32:09 < dongs> iar isnt fuckign worht pirating
2016-02-18T20:32:12 < dongs> its complete shit
2016-02-18T20:32:33 < dongs> Did you know? YOur problem is clearly not the IDE. It's just that you have no idea what youre doing.
2016-02-18T20:32:47 < dongs> even if you had the best IDE in the world you'd still be failing
2016-02-18T20:32:57 < zyp> dongs, having problems sleeping?
2016-02-18T20:33:02 < dongs> how I know this: because you[re installine IAR
2016-02-18T20:33:10 < dongs> zyp, too much innovatin'
2016-02-18T20:33:50 < Martin90> dongs: hehe, well I just need a tool which will link editor + compiler + debuger for me
2016-02-18T20:33:52 < Martin90> that's all
2016-02-18T20:34:03 < dongs> eclipse.exe + gnuarmeclipse
2016-02-18T20:34:06 < Martin90> ok
2016-02-18T20:34:06 < dongs> done.
2016-02-18T20:34:36 < dongs> http://gnuarmeclipse.sourceforge.net/updates/ + eclipse for c/c=+ developers (mars or whatever the fuck version).
2016-02-18T20:35:07 < Martin90> ok thanks for advice I will give it a try in a minute or so ;)
2016-02-18T20:35:13 < dongs> oh and gcc-arm-embedded for compiler.
2016-02-18T20:35:21 < dongs> https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded
2016-02-18T20:35:22 < dongs> this.
2016-02-18T20:36:53 < dongs> fuck this, bedtime
2016-02-18T20:36:58 < zyp> haha
2016-02-18T20:37:44 < Steffanx> lol yeah.. you advicing gae
2016-02-18T20:37:47 < Steffanx> you need sleep
2016-02-18T20:38:05 < zyp> I was about to say, how come dongs knows more about eclipse than me?
2016-02-18T20:43:52 < Martin90> zyp: do you also use eclipse for everyday work with stm ?
2016-02-18T20:44:29 < zyp> no
2016-02-18T20:44:48 < Martin90> so I doubt you know more about it, do you ? ;p
2016-02-18T20:45:04 < Martin90> btw, which ide do you use ?
2016-02-18T20:45:10 < Martin90> or toolchain
2016-02-18T20:54:52 < ambro718> When sending data via SDIO without DMA, is it possible to fill up the FIFO before SDIO starts transmitting?
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2016-02-18T20:55:57 < ambro718> I fill FIFO in the SDIO interrupt triggered by TXFIFOHE.
2016-02-18T20:56:33 < ambro718> the issue is that at start of transfer, the interrupt would run like 4 times in a row to fill up the FIFO
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2016-02-18T22:00:01 < upgrdman_> re: stm with eclipse, i use my own makefile but here's my notes on using eclipse for stm:
2016-02-18T22:00:24 < upgrdman_> oh shit, i didnt post them online
2016-02-18T22:00:41 < upgrdman_> well, the docs on gnuarmeclipse basically walk you through it
2016-02-18T22:01:54 < Martin90> upgrdman_: is it good idea to use eclipse for this purpose ?
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2016-02-18T22:07:44 < upgrdman__> Martin90, eclipse is fine. i just find the gnuarmeclipse makefiles and wizards to be more annoying then helpful, so i use my own makefile
2016-02-18T22:08:05 < upgrdman__> it is kind of nice to debug with eclipse since you can hover over stuff instead of typing shit into gdb
2016-02-18T22:08:16 < Martin90> ok
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2016-02-18T22:15:01 < ambro718> how fast is access to RAM typically (STM32F4)? As in, how many cycles do load/store take.
2016-02-18T22:19:04 < Ecco> ambro718: I might be saying something stupid, but I think they have zero-wait-state memory, which means you don't get to wait on memory. So memory load/store should be as fast as a register load/store.
2016-02-18T22:19:15 < ambro718> The manual says: "
2016-02-18T22:19:17 < ambro718> The embedded SRAM can be accessed as bytes, half-words (16 bits) or full words (32 bits).
2016-02-18T22:19:18 < ambro718> Read and write operations are performed at CPU speed with 0 wait state. "
2016-02-18T22:19:20 < ambro718> indeed ^ :)
2016-02-18T22:19:38 < ambro718> I'm wondering specifically about ldmia/stmia but for some reason they are not found here http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dui0068b/BABEFCIB.html
2016-02-18T22:19:52 < Ecco> I don't know if flash can be written to that fast though
2016-02-18T22:20:17 < ambro718> I'm interested in transferring between RAM, and SDIO's FIFO. How fast is the FIFO?
2016-02-18T22:20:53 < Ecco> I don't know but it must be explained in the datasheet
2016-02-18T22:21:12 < Ecco> I don't think the RAM will be the bottleneck though
2016-02-18T22:21:19 < Ecco> and I doubt the STM32 will be either
2016-02-18T22:21:26 < Ecco> what are you plugging into your SD port?
2016-02-18T22:22:06 < ambro718> I want to do SD card stuff but without the DMA, because the DMA is fucked up
2016-02-18T22:22:27 < ambro718> (I need to transfer multiple blocks residing in separate non-contiguous buffers)
2016-02-18T22:22:39 < Ecco> well, I think the proper way to do that
2016-02-18T22:23:13 < Ecco> is to use DMA + an interrupt that will call you back when a first batch is done
2016-02-18T22:23:17 < Ecco> and that will schedule the next batch
2016-02-18T22:24:24 < Ecco> Or, yes, you can do it with the CPU, but you won't be able to do anything else in the meantime
2016-02-18T22:26:15 < ambro718> It would work if it wasn't misdesigned in TWO ways: 1) if you enable DMA hardware flow control (which is the "supported" config for SDIO), the DMA NDTR is overwritten to 0xFFFF after enabling the DMA stream, so you can't let the DMA complete after a buffer is transferred, then you could restart it in an ISR with the next buffer. 2) if you disable DMA hardware flow control, it stops at the last transfer request for undocumented reasons (the DMA never
2016-02-18T22:26:16 < ambro718> gets the "last request" from the SDIO and the SDIO underruns/overruns).
2016-02-18T22:26:54 < ambro718> i.e. you can't tell DMA to stop after N words, and you can't disable the stupid flow control because then it breaks
2016-02-18T22:28:17 < ambro718> I'm guessing that the flow control works something like they have separate signals from SDIO for a "normal" DMA request and a "final" DMA request, and if you tell DMA to not do peripheral flow control, it ignores the "final" requests.
2016-02-18T22:32:19 < ambro718> I've calculated that with the standard SD clock speed (24MHz) and 4-bit interface, my interrupt will fire every 448 CPU cycles in order to transfer 8 words
2016-02-18T22:34:03 < ambro718> My ISR code is this http://ideone.com/nFm9Oy and the resulting asm is http://ideone.com/OYQJDb . Can someone guess at how long the normal execution (load/store 8 words, return) will take?
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2016-02-18T22:37:37 < ambro718> I don't have an easy way to figure out how much CPU it really takes
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2016-02-18T22:53:16 < ambro718> okay I've calculated that my SDIO interrupt would only take about 18% of the CPU during transfer, so, it's not that bad
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2016-02-19T00:41:21 < kakimir> MLP confirmed
2016-02-19T00:41:52 < Laurenceb_> dunno if I'm going to be able to solder LSM9DS1
2016-02-19T00:41:56 < Laurenceb_> this will be "fun"
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2016-02-19T00:43:48 < Laurenceb_> well they make it look easy
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2016-02-19T01:10:17 < Laurenceb_> oh noes https://www.zephyrproject.org/content/zephyr-kernel-v100-release-notes
2016-02-19T01:10:23 < Laurenceb_> chibios is dead
2016-02-19T01:10:25 < Laurenceb_>  /sarc
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2016-02-19T01:12:06 < kakimir> and mustache
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2016-02-19T01:12:19 < Laurenceb_> 802.15.4 stack looks kind of cool
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2016-02-19T02:07:25 < Getty> Mad Dogs (2015) is really epic...
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2016-02-19T02:15:34 < Laurenceb_> better than serendipity
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2016-02-19T02:33:40 < kakimir> wurth watching
2016-02-19T02:33:45 < kakimir> `?
2016-02-19T02:34:14 < Getty> Mad Dogs is totally worth watching
2016-02-19T02:34:19 < Getty> you might not want to stop if you start
2016-02-19T02:35:16 < Getty> i am actually confused why it just got a 7.7 rating, in my eyes should be at least break the 8.0 line, but as usual internet is weird
2016-02-19T02:38:01 < kakimir> series?
2016-02-19T02:38:17 < Getty> yeah amazon original series "Mad Dogs" from 2015
2016-02-19T02:38:24 < Getty> there is another series from 2011 as it seems
2016-02-19T02:38:31 < Getty> i didnt checked if there are also movies ;)
2016-02-19T02:41:08 < kakimir> I better fappedi fap instead
2016-02-19T02:41:54 < kakimir> watching series is really the aids
2016-02-19T02:42:53 < Getty> haha ;) you watched the wrong ones
2016-02-19T02:43:50 < kakimir> no
2016-02-19T02:43:56 < kakimir> exactly right ones
2016-02-19T02:44:19 < kakimir> after watching 2series in row
2016-02-19T02:44:42 < kakimir> you are dried out and blue-grayish and smell death
2016-02-19T02:44:50 < kakimir> like aids
2016-02-19T02:45:04 < Getty> yeah well, right now the market gets luckily flooded
2016-02-19T02:45:26 < Getty> The Slap was for sure a good experience, not brilliant and its already cancelled now, no season 2, but it was a nice ride
2016-02-19T02:45:42 < Getty> forever seems.... useful, not good stuff, but "normal stuff"
2016-02-19T02:45:46 < Getty> its flooding....
2016-02-19T02:46:12 < kakimir> is it true that netflix notifies you when you watch unhealthy amount of stuff?
2016-02-19T02:46:20 < Getty> well for me it never happened ;)
2016-02-19T02:46:26 < Getty> but i must say i watch more unhealthy amounts on amazon
2016-02-19T02:46:40 < Getty> i really would love to know which position i would have on a "minutes watched" chart
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2016-02-19T02:48:18 < kakimir> you must do unhealthy conversion between that count and your hour price
2016-02-19T02:48:37 < Getty> well, something must be running on the TV, right?
2016-02-19T02:48:56 < Getty> and given that "public networks" is nothing you can watch since 10< years.....
2016-02-19T02:48:59 < Getty> what choice i have?
2016-02-19T02:53:52 < kakimir> murican tv is so suck
2016-02-19T02:54:26 < Getty> i didnt actually had the experience to watch "normal TV" in america, everybody was just using netflix already ;-)
2016-02-19T02:54:40 < kakimir> homeland of tv shiet and all the channels were complete aids
2016-02-19T02:54:43 < Getty> but given that there are no advertisment regulations (or lets say: not the once in place in germany) i can imagine that it must be pretty horrible
2016-02-19T02:54:58 < Getty> but german TV has fucked up content, the advertisments are actually the good stuff........
2016-02-19T02:55:26 < Getty> i dont know why but they started to produce so much stuff themself, less imported stuff, and that was making it just unwatchable
2016-02-19T02:55:39 < Getty> germans are so horrible if they try to make a TV show
2016-02-19T02:56:08 < kakimir> I bet
2016-02-19T03:00:06 < Getty> I often think about how lucky we are that america and their culture exist, cause else i wouldnt know what i would watch on TV
2016-02-19T03:00:37 < Getty> like..... non american cops are so boring..... ;)
2016-02-19T03:02:10 < karlp> or, civilised.
2016-02-19T03:02:28 < Getty> isnt that somehow the same? ;-)
2016-02-19T03:02:34 < karlp> no.
2016-02-19T03:02:48 < Getty> ever tried to watch Law & Order UK?
2016-02-19T03:03:00 < karlp> life can be exciting without having your civil peace keepers shooting at you
2016-02-19T03:03:00 < Getty> you should try to watch Law & Order UK ;)
2016-02-19T03:03:33 < Getty> yeah well, but if everything is so normalized, then there is no.... special effect, its like the sparkle, yeah of course, sometimes a story can be good without, but..... yeah... its not filling up the day
2016-02-19T03:03:36 < Getty> its like fantasyland
2016-02-19T03:04:16 < Getty> just remember that without america "Breaking Bad" wouldnt exist
2016-02-19T03:04:22 < Getty> noone would ever have the idea for that series
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2016-02-19T03:09:42 < kakimir> I went thru a ghetto in night
2016-02-19T03:09:53 < kakimir> nobody robbed and killed me
2016-02-19T03:15:25 < kakimir> or.. maybe a little
2016-02-19T03:19:11 < upgrdman> pretty wafers  http://www.esa.int/var/esa/storage/images/esa_multimedia/images/2009/05/gan_on_silicon_carbide_wafers/9555908-4-eng-GB/GaN_on_silicon_carbide_wafers.jpg
2016-02-19T03:26:20 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzBWoVh4qhk
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2016-02-19T03:47:14 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/q0zgcpa.jpg
2016-02-19T03:47:46 < upgrdman> also shift+1 !!!!1!!1!!1!1!1!!!!1111!
2016-02-19T03:55:26 < kakimir> caps is so 2005
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2016-02-19T04:00:34 < dongs> thats true
2016-02-19T04:00:58 < dongs> the proper way to troll is so that the trollee doesn't even know hes being trolled
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2016-02-19T04:10:04 < upgrdman> hmm. seems the windows update from yesterday fixed the most annoying bug with the surface pro 4 cocking station. plugging a usb3 hdd into is seems to be reliable now instead of cutting out.
2016-02-19T04:11:33 < upgrdman> brb
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2016-02-19T04:18:53 < dongs> upgrdman: dong3 does that too, with sony USB stick of all things
2016-02-19T04:19:06 < dongs> like, you plug it in and start copying shit and it just drops out
2016-02-19T04:19:13 < upgrdman> ya
2016-02-19T04:19:21 < dongs> its obviously not power consumption or anythign
2016-02-19T04:19:24 < dongs> just random bullshit
2016-02-19T04:19:25 < upgrdman> and so far it seems good for me now.
2016-02-19T04:19:29 < dongs> move it to another port and works ok
2016-02-19T04:20:09 < upgrdman> but my pro4 still wont put my monitor to sleep. the monitor sleeps then wakes back up, then sleeps, then wakes back up, repeats forever
2016-02-19T04:20:17 < dongs> nice
2016-02-19T04:20:44 < upgrdman> oh well, its annoying but easy to work around.
2016-02-19T04:25:21 < upgrdman> hehe. my seagate usb3 hdd draws 1.2 - 1.4A when active. iirc usb3.0 is only rated to 900mA
2016-02-19T04:26:02 < dongs> lol shitheap
2016-02-19T04:44:51 < jadew> I have an external HDD that disconnects itself when used on USB 3.0
2016-02-19T04:44:56 < jadew> but it does that on both win and linux
2016-02-19T04:45:05 < jadew> so I'm not sure if it's a driver issue
2016-02-19T04:46:11 < jadew> luckly the USB 3 port of the hdd got fried on the last power outage so now it works fine, on USB 2
2016-02-19T04:46:36 < upgrdman> > luckly the USB 3 port of the hdd got fried
2016-02-19T04:46:37 < upgrdman> kik
2016-02-19T04:46:39 < upgrdman> lol
2016-02-19T04:47:06 < jadew> it was an immense pain in the ass
2016-02-19T04:49:13 < jadew> anyway, what I was trying to suggest is that maybe there are some ICs out there that poorly implement the protocol and they just found a workaround and fixed the driver?
2016-02-19T04:49:35 < upgrdman> of course, that's what i expected
2016-02-19T04:49:58 < upgrdman> hardware only seems bug-free to people who don't know hardware
2016-02-19T04:50:19 < upgrdman> i was just pissed off that they released a product before fixing such glaring issues
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2016-02-19T05:57:59 < emeb_mac> more pro than thou
2016-02-19T06:02:16 < emeb_mac> I wish.
2016-02-19T06:02:22 < emeb_mac> Just faking it.
2016-02-19T06:05:05 < dongs> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2016/02/linux-foundation-announces-project-build-real-time-operating-system
2016-02-19T06:05:08 < dongs> news for PRO2COM
2016-02-19T06:05:12 < dongs> (retweet)
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2016-02-19T06:21:05 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/ysgV09t
2016-02-19T06:27:20 < dongs> i dont geti t
2016-02-19T06:27:33 < upgrdman> just a funny gif, no inuendo
2016-02-19T06:27:48 < dongs> seems about as funny as u.s. politics
2016-02-19T06:27:54 < upgrdman> fine, i'll try hard
2016-02-19T06:27:56 < upgrdman> fine, i'll try harder
2016-02-19T06:28:23 < upgrdman> have a look http://imgur.com/eeyHPbL
2016-02-19T06:37:21  * emeb_mac doesn't click
2016-02-19T06:37:32 < emeb_mac> if R2COM says eww...
2016-02-19T06:38:21 < dongs> its just fail
2016-02-19T06:39:24 < dongs> https://a.pomf.cat/zvbysi.mp4 way better link
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2016-02-19T06:59:23 < aandrew> 41 page eratta doc on STM32F417
2016-02-19T07:03:13 < emeb_mac> wat?
2016-02-19T07:06:40 < crt> me farken IGBTs blown
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2016-02-19T07:27:44 < hesperaux> hi guys
2016-02-19T07:28:34 < crt> hi mate
2016-02-19T07:28:39 < crt> i blew me bridge.
2016-02-19T07:29:58 < hesperaux> I need to find a decent IDE to use for development. I've used CoIDE for a couple of years and it's been ok, but it does not support newer chips. I don't want to have to deal with all the underlying pain of GDB/arm/writing makefiles, etc. I looked at VisualGDB since I own Visual Studio and use it at work for C# dev, but after using the trial version, it appears to create more problems than it solves. I'm frustrated, and would
2016-02-19T07:29:58 < hesperaux> like to know if anyone can recommend something that supports all the current STm32 chips, allows for breakpoint debugging, and allows for visualizing the device RAM and registers. Any suggestions?
2016-02-19T07:30:15 < hesperaux> Btw, I'm using windows, but if something is really helpful I will gladly switch to Linux
2016-02-19T07:30:35 < hesperaux> crt, bridge? What bridge. H Bridge? bridge rectifier? the bridge of your nose, into a tissue?
2016-02-19T07:31:28 < PaulFertser> hesperaux: what about http://gnuarmeclipse.github.io/
2016-02-19T07:31:54 < hesperaux> hey Paul. Checking that out now
2016-02-19T07:32:48 < hesperaux> hmm
2016-02-19T07:34:31 < jpa-> hesperaux: dongs would probably recommend keil
2016-02-19T07:34:44 < jpa-> as for me, i like all the underlying pain! :)
2016-02-19T07:34:46 < hesperaux> I looked at Keil but man is that shit expensive
2016-02-19T07:35:01 < hesperaux> jpa-, I can respect your opinion on that, but it really slows me down
2016-02-19T07:35:27 < hesperaux> Keil is like 5000 or something for the basic license, and 8000 for the pro one
2016-02-19T07:35:34 < PaulFertser> hesperaux: dons recommends illegally copying Keil :)
2016-02-19T07:35:38 < hesperaux> I am not a student anymore, nor am I a commercial user
2016-02-19T07:35:42 < hesperaux> lol
2016-02-19T07:35:49 < crt> you were a student?
2016-02-19T07:35:52 < crt> me too!
2016-02-19T07:35:52 < hesperaux> I am trying to avoid that these days, since I'm a real life adult now
2016-02-19T07:36:11 < crt> now i'm installing new drivers in speaker boxes for idiots who blow em
2016-02-19T07:36:25 < crt> 10 mins work -> $100
2016-02-19T07:36:28 < hesperaux> In addition, if I make an open source project, I'd like it to be easily edited by a community that doesn't have to pirate SW or spend a lot of money on it
2016-02-19T07:36:38 < crt> fuck this engineering degree
2016-02-19T07:36:43 < hesperaux> crt, not bad man
2016-02-19T07:36:51 < hesperaux> I ended up using my degree
2016-02-19T07:37:06 < crt> i didn't need mine except to learn dem calculuses
2016-02-19T07:37:09 < crt> and such.. ..
2016-02-19T07:37:10 < hesperaux> I'm not a manufacturing test engineer
2016-02-19T07:37:14 < hesperaux> now*
2016-02-19T07:37:20 < crt> i figured you meant now
2016-02-19T07:37:34 < crt> some people are test engineers and they don't even know it
2016-02-19T07:37:36 < hesperaux> rather than creating an exhaustive list of everything I'm not? :P
2016-02-19T07:37:42 < crt> like this bloke bringing his 2 week old speaker over soon
2016-02-19T07:38:09 < jpa-> hesperaux: for open source projects, better use plain makefiles.. whatever IDE you pick, other people will use something else
2016-02-19T07:38:42 < hesperaux> jpa-, Visual GDB had some appeal because it just generates makefiles and stuff for you, so it would seem to produce a project that is manually buildable, but it is a pain
2016-02-19T07:38:52 < hesperaux> CooCox is free, but it uses an XML project crap
2016-02-19T07:38:55 < crt> studying those engineering was good pastime fun
2016-02-19T07:39:13 < crt> i studied with a bunch of students who moaned and complained about everything
2016-02-19T07:39:19 < hesperaux> jpa-, I'm close to saying screw it and doing it the "old fashioned way" as you say you do
2016-02-19T07:39:33 < hesperaux> I just don't know how much time that will take, or how easy it will be to create new projects
2016-02-19T07:39:38 < hesperaux> crt, that's typical
2016-02-19T07:39:44 < crt> just steal code like china does mate
2016-02-19T07:39:47 < crt> what gpl?
2016-02-19T07:39:53 < hesperaux> "why do we need to know this, this has nothing to do with what I want to do with my degree" etc
2016-02-19T07:40:05 < crt> i have my hobby engineering shop
2016-02-19T07:40:17 < crt> i do design and other stuff (paid) for my own amusement
2016-02-19T07:40:21 < crt> as i do these repairs
2016-02-19T07:40:43 < hesperaux> crt, that sounds like fun, but stressful not knowing what your income is. of course, now I'm a contractor so it's not that different
2016-02-19T07:41:18 < hesperaux> PaulFertser, I'm surprised to hear dongs uses Keil. I'd peg dongs as a makefile/gcc/gdb kind of person
2016-02-19T07:41:23 < crt> there's an idiot around every corner, i'm covered
2016-02-19T07:41:54 < jpa-> hesperaux: once you have a template you can copy for new projects, it doesn't take much time
2016-02-19T07:42:03 < hesperaux> lol
2016-02-19T07:42:14 < hesperaux> crt, you're right, I suppose xD
2016-02-19T07:42:22 < hesperaux> jpa-, hmm, and I could write scripts around it
2016-02-19T07:42:29 < hesperaux> perly ones, and bashy ones
2016-02-19T07:42:30 < jpa-> "i'd peg dongs as a gdb kind of person" ::DD
2016-02-19T07:42:45 < crt> every generation gets dumber
2016-02-19T07:42:49 < hesperaux> and develop over SSH. But jpa-, what do you do for debugging, looking at RAM/registers, etc/
2016-02-19T07:42:57 < jpa-> gdb on command line
2016-02-19T07:43:01 < crt> half the people i studied with couldn't spell even with a spell checker
2016-02-19T07:43:03  * hesperaux grimaces
2016-02-19T07:43:12 < jpa-> for development i use kdevelop, but i do not like graphical debuggers
2016-02-19T07:43:19 < jpa-> they make it too hard to do complex stuff
2016-02-19T07:43:34 < crt> instead of boolean algebra it was 'bullion algebra'
2016-02-19T07:43:43 < hesperaux> jpa-, I can understand what you mean, but it's also time consuming to learn how to do cool gdb stuff, I imagine
2016-02-19T07:43:58 < crt> i kept a lot of reflective essays my peers wrote for me and my girlfriend's amusement
2016-02-19T07:44:07 < jpa-> hesperaux: probably.. but on the other hand, once you learn, you know
2016-02-19T07:44:14 < hesperaux> jpa-, for the code editor, I'd really like something that mimics "intellisense" or eclipse and stuff
2016-02-19T07:44:23 < jpa-> i only get slight trouble from getting windbg vs. gdb messed up in my head
2016-02-19T07:44:32 < jpa-> hesperaux: yeah, kdevelop does that pretty well in my opinion
2016-02-19T07:44:35 < hesperaux> it's nice to see what members are in a struct, or whatever
2016-02-19T07:44:38 < hesperaux> hmm, ok
2016-02-19T07:44:47 < jpa-> (though of course there are other good ones also)
2016-02-19T07:44:58 < hesperaux> jpa-, I'm getting persuaded
2016-02-19T07:45:13 < hesperaux> jpa-, how do you set up your env for a specific chip?
2016-02-19T07:46:15 < jpa-> well, i just copy files from chibios demos or my old projects until i have something reasonable for the purpose
2016-02-19T07:46:34 < jpa-> depends a lot on whether the project will use chibios or not; most of my hobby projects will, but work stuff wont
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2016-02-19T07:46:44 < PaulFertser> hesperaux: http://www.slideshare.net/linaroorg/connect12-q2-gdb
2016-02-19T07:46:55 < hesperaux> jpa-, right now I work without an OS
2016-02-19T07:47:18 < PaulFertser> But I personally do not use any fancy facilities. It's mostly just break- and watch-points, print, continue for me.
2016-02-19T07:47:21 < hesperaux> I'm wondering how much data sheet mining I will need to do for any given STM32 that I want to use
2016-02-19T07:47:32 < jpa-> not much
2016-02-19T07:47:45 < hesperaux> PaulFertser, I am the same way, and I also like to read the values of variables in scope and look at the stack if possible
2016-02-19T07:47:47 < jpa-> well, of course you'll need to read the reference manual a lot to actually use it
2016-02-19T07:47:53 < jpa-> but setup is quite similar for all
2016-02-19T07:47:58 < PaulFertser> hesperaux: of course
2016-02-19T07:48:19 < hesperaux> jpa-, any chance you could tar up one of your templates so I could see what it entails?
2016-02-19T07:48:35 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/STM32_Trace_Example   here is my really barebones template project, but it omits stuff like clock setup
2016-02-19T07:48:55 < PaulFertser> hesperaux: with libopencm3 looking at periph registers is a bit more complicated though, but it works just fine with the st shit-lib.
2016-02-19T07:49:07 < jpa-> unfortunately most of my bare hw stuff is for work so can't copy those; but here is one chibios one   https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/ebike-controller/
2016-02-19T07:49:16 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/cHEjVSs.gifv
2016-02-19T07:49:35 < PaulFertser> hesperaux: there's a standalone embsysregview project that works on windows that will present peripheral registers in an easy way.
2016-02-19T07:49:49 < hesperaux> upgrdman, lol good to know
2016-02-19T07:49:53 < PaulFertser> hesperaux: https://github.com/apmorton/EmbSysRegViewSharp
2016-02-19T07:50:01 < upgrdman> :)
2016-02-19T07:50:20 < hesperaux> PaulFertser, do these work only for specific cortex architectures, or can I use it for M0, M3 and M4 alike?
2016-02-19T07:50:31 < hesperaux> I'm assuming libopencm3 is m3 only
2016-02-19T07:50:46 < jpa-> cortex arch doesn't matter much, but specific chips have different peripherals and require specific support
2016-02-19T07:50:47 < hesperaux> right now I'm trying to port something I started on M3 to an M4 (F401RE)
2016-02-19T07:50:49 < PaulFertser> hesperaux: nope, libopencm3 is for all cortexes.
2016-02-19T07:51:01 < crt> wish this bloody bastard would drop off his shit for me to fix
2016-02-19T07:51:13 < crt> i wanna close shop, go home and masturbate to sailor moon
2016-02-19T07:51:23 < hesperaux> crt, you are conspicuously australian lol
2016-02-19T07:51:52 < hesperaux> or possibly british. hard to tell I guess
2016-02-19T07:52:13 < crt> whois me and find out
2016-02-19T07:52:22  * hesperaux is too lazy
2016-02-19T07:52:27 < crt> au
2016-02-19T07:52:32 < hesperaux>  yay
2016-02-19T07:52:36 < hesperaux> I was right
2016-02-19T07:52:40 < crt> who isn't
2016-02-19T07:52:55 < hesperaux> I can think of a few
2016-02-19T07:53:10 < hesperaux> hey PaulFertser, were you the one I talked to about the Renesas stuff?
2016-02-19T07:56:21 < PaulFertser> hesperaux: in OpenOCD context? Likely, yes.
2016-02-19T07:56:40 < hesperaux> PaulFertser, yeps. I gave you an SWD capture of an S7G2 flash
2016-02-19T07:57:07 < PaulFertser> hesperaux: right, I remember now. So have you given up on this project?
2016-02-19T07:57:15 < hesperaux> I have since found out that doing so technically violated the Segger license agreement (I think), and that the Renesas people are absurdly protective of their IP regarding flashing
2016-02-19T07:57:31 < hesperaux> PaulFertser, we've decided to go with a 1000 dollar segger debugger instead, because thanks Renesas so much
2016-02-19T07:59:07 < PaulFertser> hesperaux: I do not think they could do anything with OpenOCD if the flashing algorithm was implemented, nothing to fear here, it is not covered by copyright if you rewrite the flash loader from scratch using SWD capture as a reference.
2016-02-19T07:59:24 < hesperaux> hmm, cool
2016-02-19T07:59:33 < hesperaux> I don't think I have the expertise to accomplish that
2016-02-19T07:59:40 < upgrdman> lol. fucking japs.  http://www.audi.jp/rice/
2016-02-19T07:59:52 < hesperaux> I certainly don't get paid to do so, since I'm a test engineer (not an OS/firmware eng)
2016-02-19T07:59:59 < crt> u wat
2016-02-19T08:00:03 < hesperaux> upgrdman, lol awesome
2016-02-19T08:00:07 < crt> rice in car
2016-02-19T08:00:09 < crt> PERFEC
2016-02-19T08:00:17 < upgrdman> yes
2016-02-19T08:00:23 < crt> ggggggg
2016-02-19T08:05:02 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: quick question - does openocd support a flash programming stub that can write to QSPI on parts that do XIP?
2016-02-19T08:05:38 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: with some microcontrollers SPI flash is supported, and XIP works thanks to some internal hardware circuity.
2016-02-19T08:06:07 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: e.g. some LPC parts, Marvell controllers, probably something else less common.
2016-02-19T08:07:42 < emeb_mac> PaulFertser: yeah - just wondering if it's possible to load into qspi via oocd or if one needs to use some sort of dedicated spi flash programmer.
2016-02-19T08:15:16 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: if there's a driver for a specific microcontroller family, yes, openocd can load. And there's enough infra to write a driver without too much effort. Or you can use just about any ftdi-based adapter, attach it directly and run "flashrom" instead.
2016-02-19T08:15:47 < emeb_mac> probably easier
2016-02-19T08:17:31 < PaulFertser> emeb_mac: for some boards there's a working config to initialise DRAM controller so with OpenOCD you can load u-boot there, then flash from within it.
2016-02-19T08:21:11 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/a/6Iw2Q
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2016-02-19T09:31:31 < ReadError> dongs
2016-02-19T09:31:33 < ReadError> pls help
2016-02-19T09:31:38 < ReadError> http://i.snag.gy/UMJDJ.jpg
2016-02-19T09:31:47 < ReadError> i pressed some button and im not sure which
2016-02-19T09:31:51 < ReadError> and cant make this go away
2016-02-19T09:32:00 < crt> is that kike-cad
2016-02-19T09:32:15 < ReadError> altidumb
2016-02-19T09:32:26 < crt> i know had to ask though.
2016-02-19T09:34:06 < ReadError> you just wanted to say kike-cad
2016-02-19T09:34:26 < crt> yes
2016-02-19T09:37:11 < ReadError> ahh got it, shift+g
2016-02-19T09:37:33 < crt> do you get a manual when you give altium your $12,000
2016-02-19T09:38:08 < ReadError> i use russian medicine
2016-02-19T09:38:20 < crt> um?
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2016-02-19T09:42:26 < crt> we need to locate dongs
2016-02-19T09:42:41 < crt> he might be skinny dipping in fukushima's spent fuel pools
2016-02-19T09:46:21 < ReadError> hes a strong black woman, should be okay
2016-02-19T09:47:00 < crt> never knew he had a pussay
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2016-02-19T09:47:22 < ReadError> its a state of mind
2016-02-19T09:47:29 < crt> everything is in my life
2016-02-19T09:47:53 < crt> i need to buy some light emitting dummy loads
2016-02-19T09:48:04 < crt> vf of 38 volts
2016-02-19T09:48:08 < crt> 100w
2016-02-19T09:49:22 < crt> i'm going to finish polishing it off
2016-02-19T09:59:01 < dongs> ReadError: you asked that before
2016-02-19T09:59:06 < crt> cxa1816 is a fat one
2016-02-19T09:59:15 < crt> hi dongh
2016-02-19T09:59:36 < ReadError> dongs nah i just asked zyp yesterday
2016-02-19T09:59:45 < crt> they're the same person iirc
2016-02-19T10:00:43 < crt> i'm almost certain dongs is clive
2016-02-19T10:05:26 < PeterM> nah dongs is really tom66 but tom66 is his troll profile
2016-02-19T10:05:35 < crt> fuck
2016-02-19T10:05:46 < crt> shouldn't share sensitive information in main dude
2016-02-19T10:05:52 < crt> i'm the qualified pumper of the room
2016-02-19T10:06:07  * PeterM rolls eyes
2016-02-19T10:06:23 < dongs> who *didnt* know dongs == tom66?
2016-02-19T10:06:24 < crt> hey man, just what he called me... can't do anything about it... :/
2016-02-19T10:06:28 < crt> me!
2016-02-19T10:06:35 < dongs> thats cuz youre a dumb pumper
2016-02-19T10:06:38 < crt> is tom66 a cunt?
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2016-02-19T10:06:47 < crt> i'm not dumb people give me money
2016-02-19T10:07:32 < crt> and to think i dedicate my off the clock time to you.....
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2016-02-19T10:08:32 < crt> question is, what is your favourite LED
2016-02-19T10:08:44 < dongs> china special 0805
2016-02-19T10:08:49 < crt> ya dog mate
2016-02-19T10:09:06 < crt> u rike edison 5050 rgbw
2016-02-19T10:09:22 < dongs> sounds expensive
2016-02-19T10:09:26 < PeterM> crt you should be more specific
2016-02-19T10:09:28 < crt> they are
2016-02-19T10:09:32 < dongs> my 5050rgb are like $30 per reel
2016-02-19T10:09:34 < crt> 5050 rgbw edison
2016-02-19T10:09:38 < crt> mmmmm
2016-02-19T10:09:40 < dongs> not even w
2016-02-19T10:09:42 < crt> sorry
2016-02-19T10:09:47 < crt> 700ma var
2016-02-19T10:09:49 < jpa-> hey dongs, i heard you are a gdb kind of person
2016-02-19T10:09:52 < crt> single junction
2016-02-19T10:09:54 < crt> mate,
2016-02-19T10:10:01 < dongs> jpa, haha.
2016-02-19T10:10:13 < PeterM> single junction and has rgb? yeah rite
2016-02-19T10:10:19 < crt> yes
2016-02-19T10:10:29 < crt> 4 single junction LEDs in one 5050 pkg
2016-02-19T10:10:39 < PeterM> how do you get all the differnt bandgaps with only one junction
2016-02-19T10:10:39 < crt> don't understand the difficulty in understanding it
2016-02-19T10:10:45 < dongs> i fucked up, designed something wiht china special 4pin rgb
2016-02-19T10:10:51 < dongs> and apparent common cathode is 1000x more common
2016-02-19T10:10:57 < crt> there are 4 junctions
2016-02-19T10:11:02 < crt> but each junction is single
2016-02-19T10:11:06 < crt> that's where iwas going with it
2016-02-19T10:11:06 < dongs> i made it for common anode
2016-02-19T10:11:10 < crt> n
2016-02-19T10:11:10 < PeterM> FUCK LYING GYPSIES I FUCKIGN KNEW IT
2016-02-19T10:11:19 < crt> these cunts have individual breakouts
2016-02-19T10:11:23 < crt> you can common anything
2016-02-19T10:11:28 < crt> 8 pinnas
2016-02-19T10:11:31 < crt> and dap
2016-02-19T10:11:48 < dongs> cool try but no
2016-02-19T10:11:53 < crt> ya dog
2016-02-19T10:12:05 < crt> http://www.cree.com/LED-Components-and-Modules/Products/XLamp/Arrays-Directional/XLamp-XML-Color
2016-02-19T10:12:12 < dongs> back 2 pumping 4 u
2016-02-19T10:12:31 < dongs> XML color led
2016-02-19T10:12:42 < crt> and edison 5050
2016-02-19T10:12:43 < crt> rgbw
2016-02-19T10:12:50 < crt> cool white x4 and warm white x4
2016-02-19T10:12:51 < dongs> holy shit 1A per die
2016-02-19T10:12:59 < crt> good luck with that though
2016-02-19T10:13:02 < dongs> wat happesn wehn you stare into this thing at full brightness
2016-02-19T10:13:06 < crt> hursts
2016-02-19T10:13:08 < crt> hurts
2016-02-19T10:13:21 < crt> my gigahertz optik is okay with that kind of shizz
2016-02-19T10:13:41 < crt> thermals are fucked with that design as you may imagine.
2016-02-19T10:13:59 < PeterM> >light
2016-02-19T10:14:01 < PeterM> >ghz
2016-02-19T10:14:03 < PeterM> choose one
2016-02-19T10:14:08 < crt> ask them man
2016-02-19T10:14:13 < crt> i just use their equipment
2016-02-19T10:14:29 < crt> think we're all well aware of what band visible light goes into
2016-02-19T10:15:55 < crt> http://www.gigahertz-optik.de/en-us/home/ <--- direct the complaints there
2016-02-19T10:16:21 < dongs> wtf does that even do
2016-02-19T10:16:29 < crt> just does luxmeter shit
2016-02-19T10:16:42 < crt> led company that went bust bought it $4000aud+
2016-02-19T10:16:48 < crt> i offered them $1000aud for it
2016-02-19T10:16:49 < crt> mine
2016-02-19T10:17:21 < dongs> 900$ more than i would have spent o nit
2016-02-19T10:17:26 < dongs> considering i dont even need it
2016-02-19T10:17:41 < crt> i like it, prints a spectrum of shit
2016-02-19T10:17:48 < crt> thought how pretty man that'd be sweet
2016-02-19T10:18:05 < crt> good one to have on the rack of expensive meters
2016-02-19T10:18:46 < crt> my multimeter costs more than my scope
2016-02-19T10:20:05 < crt> dongs, pumperlyf hashtag
2016-02-19T10:23:23 < crt> anyway once i finish pushing my ballsweat onto this luxmeter i'll flip it on ebay for $2000
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2016-02-19T10:38:25 < hbendali> Hi every body :D
2016-02-19T10:38:48 < crt> hey my friend
2016-02-19T10:38:52 < dongs> god damn im so fucking tired of this chinaplace
2016-02-19T10:38:57 < crt> what brings you down this neck of the woods?
2016-02-19T10:39:04 < dongs> I only buy F1/F3 from them and they spam me almost  everyt fuckign day
2016-02-19T10:39:10 < dongs> Many customer have no idea what is our strong line.
2016-02-19T10:39:10 < dongs> ON ST INTERSIL INFINEON FCI (franchised) and TI
2016-02-19T10:39:11 < dongs> Pls keep it in mind, and any needs, let me know.
2016-02-19T10:39:11 < crt> fuck em then, blox
2016-02-19T10:39:20 < dongs> MANY CUSTOMER ALSO DONT WANT TO RECIEVE THIS FUCKIGN SPAM EVERY FUCKIN DAY
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2016-02-19T10:39:22 < crt> why buy from ch cunts anyway?
2016-02-19T10:39:38 < dongs> cuz i dont feel like waitingf for months for jp distributors to answer
2016-02-19T10:39:47 < crt> you're ruining the buzness for element14 mate
2016-02-19T10:40:07 < dongs> started NDA with Silabs JP in december: finally approved beginning of feb.
2016-02-19T10:40:16 < dongs> emailed JP distributor about buying stock: reply 3 days later
2016-02-19T10:40:18 < crt> arigato m0fukka hajimemashite stm32 desk ka
2016-02-19T10:40:29 < dongs> replied in 10 minutes saying I order
2016-02-19T10:40:31 < dongs> still no reply
2016-02-19T10:40:35 < crt> yeah fuckem
2016-02-19T10:40:38 < dongs> went and submitted a quote to avnet, got reply in the morning
2016-02-19T10:40:40 < crt> deal with that shit everyday dude
2016-02-19T10:40:44 < dongs> so I just went and ordered from avnet
2016-02-19T10:40:54 < dongs> when jap comes back and says "oh our shit is ready" ill just tell them to stick it up their ass
2016-02-19T10:40:56 < crt> need a board for a product have to wait a week to know if its in stock
2016-02-19T10:41:30 < dongs> i dont buy a lot of shit but like, how does any of hte jap shit even stay in business
2016-02-19T10:41:34 < dongs> if they take days/weeks to reply to any e mail
2016-02-19T10:42:01 < crt> fuckknows
2016-02-19T10:42:07 < crt> no jap buz
2016-02-19T10:42:09 < crt> nfi
2016-02-19T10:42:19 < crt> wtf are you doing in jp by the way?
2016-02-19T10:42:57 < dongs> pumping
2016-02-19T10:43:17 < crt> work related?
2016-02-19T10:43:34 < dongs> well, i'm the work, sure
2016-02-19T10:43:56 < crt> need a service?
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2016-02-19T10:44:39 < crt> i'd really love to go to jp cause the cherry blossoms
2016-02-19T10:45:51 < dongs> gtfo web
2016-02-19T10:45:53 < dongs> er weeb
2016-02-19T10:46:00 < crt> wat kunt
2016-02-19T10:46:20 < crt> anyhoo why u go mate
2016-02-19T10:46:56 < dongs> i live here you kike
2016-02-19T10:47:00 < crt> why
2016-02-19T10:47:06 < crt> arent you australian?
2016-02-19T10:47:12 < crt> like ivan
2016-02-19T10:47:39 < dongs> you must have be confused with some other pumper
2016-02-19T10:47:45 < crt> k
2016-02-19T10:47:54 < crt> where the fuck do you come from then dong?
2016-02-19T10:47:59 < dongs> israel
2016-02-19T10:48:03 < crt> okay
2016-02-19T10:48:11 < crt> hot girls over that way/
2016-02-19T10:48:13 < crt> ?
2016-02-19T10:48:22 < dongs> i'm gay so i guess i didnt notice
2016-02-19T10:48:28 < crt> really me too man
2016-02-19T10:48:37 < crt> have you ever tried foreskin docking?
2016-02-19T10:48:43 < crt> kikes hate it
2016-02-19T10:48:58 < dongs> we cna discuss that when im not busy
2016-02-19T10:49:08 < crt> are you busy?
2016-02-19T10:49:12 < dongs> very
2016-02-19T10:49:16 < crt> i wasn't aware of you doing anything!>
2016-02-19T10:49:17 < crt> sorry!
2016-02-19T10:49:59 < crt> 10 print "pumper"
2016-02-19T10:50:02 < crt> 20 goto 10
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2016-02-19T10:53:54 < zyp> heh
2016-02-19T10:54:04 < crt> zyp help
2016-02-19T10:54:11 < crt> please
2016-02-19T10:54:40 < crt> zyp, how are you tonight?
2016-02-19T10:54:51 < zyp> idk, it's 10am now
2016-02-19T10:55:10 < crt> are you at your place of employment?
2016-02-19T10:55:28 < zyp> why?
2016-02-19T10:55:51 < crt> question i asked you
2016-02-19T10:55:57 < crt> you can submit a no comment
2016-02-19T10:56:50 < crt> zyp, are you funny like dongs?
2016-02-19T10:57:02 < zyp> no, I'm boring as fuck
2016-02-19T10:57:10 < crt> me2
2016-02-19T10:57:13 < crt> can we talk
2016-02-19T10:57:22 < crt> serious talk no bs
2016-02-19T10:57:37 < zyp> idk, can you?
2016-02-19T10:57:40 < crt> yes
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2016-02-19T11:11:08 < crt> http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/transistor/tran11.gif?81223b
2016-02-19T11:11:20 < crt> this is why they drop out
2016-02-19T11:11:45 < crt> you see this
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2016-02-19T11:32:35 < jpa-> zyp: is this one of your installations? https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/1936292_916186068497249_1239848691777249054_n.jpg?oh=6dc00aacc389b5e258662c51c7a86a5e&oe=576CBADC
2016-02-19T11:33:13 < zyp> nice
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2016-02-19T11:38:17 < crt> ya fucken dogs just killed my retroarch session
2016-02-19T11:42:15 < dongs> haha
2016-02-19T11:42:19 < dongs> @ jpa- link
2016-02-19T11:42:35 < crt> mmmmmm
2016-02-19T11:43:43 < jpa-> heh, on another channel there is some dude claiming that gcc optimizes his    char foobar[12345];   array so that his spi transfer of the data goes faster
2016-02-19T11:44:04 < jpa-> (most likely it just optimizes his spi write func, of course..)
2016-02-19T11:44:47 < dongs> er wat
2016-02-19T11:44:53 < dongs> how does it "optimize" it
2016-02-19T11:45:18 < zyp> jpa-, yeah, because obviously the software is the bottleneck
2016-02-19T11:45:27 < dongs> http://pastie.org/private/yzr2pwbjjkwisakkbozuxa more assburger chats
2016-02-19T11:45:37 < jpa-> "> thus, i declare black magic"
2016-02-19T11:45:54 < crt> dongs, freenode?
2016-02-19T11:55:49 < dongs> no
2016-02-19T11:55:54 < dongs> its some local isp channel
2016-02-19T11:55:58 < dongs> this guy is 1000% aspie
2016-02-19T11:56:01 < dongs> and owns guns
2016-02-19T11:56:26 < crt> wakt
2016-02-19T11:56:27 < crt> iowat
2016-02-19T11:56:32 < crt> he's a fucken aspie
2016-02-19T11:56:37 < crt> let's smash the cunt
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2016-02-19T13:03:49 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Manufacturing/Manufacture-Product-for-9701668/
2016-02-19T13:03:52 < dongs> fuckin lol x 1000
2016-02-19T13:04:32 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Manufacturing/Manufacture-Product-for-9701000/
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2016-02-19T13:16:44 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/upgrading-the-Hex-code-for/
2016-02-19T13:42:06 < ReadError> you should post some troll projects
2016-02-19T13:42:15 < dongs> like what
2016-02-19T13:42:31 < ReadError> idk, just stupid shit
2016-02-19T13:43:12 < dongs> the pakis do a pretty good job of posting stupid shit already.
2016-02-19T13:44:20 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Architecture/Athletics-Wireless-Timing-System/
2016-02-19T13:45:02 < dongs> easy but not $750 easy
2016-02-19T13:45:09 < Tectu> haha
2016-02-19T13:45:11 < dongs> esp cuz AUD
2016-02-19T13:45:17 < dongs> thats liek $10 USD
2016-02-19T13:45:26 < Tectu> that will at least buy you an arduino
2016-02-19T13:45:55 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Manufacturing/Thermostat-with-WIFI-module/
2016-02-19T13:45:57 < dongs> NEST cloners
2016-02-19T13:45:59 < dongs> no thanks
2016-02-19T14:17:36 < Laurenceb> freelancer is the new shitpost
2016-02-19T14:18:25 < Laurenceb> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/973736766/the-cybermatrix-100-tu01?ref=nav_search
2016-02-19T14:19:15 < Laurenceb> funded
2016-02-19T14:23:52 < zyp> 0
2016-02-19T14:23:59 < zyp> sorry
2016-02-19T14:25:52 < Tectu> Laurenceb, did you watch the video?
2016-02-19T14:26:36 < Laurenceb> yes
2016-02-19T14:27:04 < Laurenceb> not as funny as "team Pisces emissary adventures"
2016-02-19T14:28:30 < Tectu> Laurenceb, I still don't understand what that cybermatrix is/does
2016-02-19T14:28:48 < Laurenceb> thats the joke you autist
2016-02-19T14:35:07 < Laurenceb> the cybermatrix is life
2016-02-19T14:35:39 < Laurenceb> all glory to the cybermatrix
2016-02-19T14:38:48 < Laurenceb> lul https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1455820960856.jpg
2016-02-19T14:38:58 < Laurenceb> dat isreal flag
2016-02-19T14:41:21 < dongs> lol savannah.gnu.org git server is down
2016-02-19T14:41:45 < Tectu> Laurenceb, what's the story behind the 'T' ?
2016-02-19T14:42:00 < Tectu> Totaler Krieg?
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2016-02-19T15:04:10 < karlp> Tectu: who's the man in front of the wall?
2016-02-19T15:12:48 < Tectu> given all the hints I'd say good old Mr. Truman, but then again I don't know history that well. Has been quite some time since I was forced to learn that crap
2016-02-19T15:13:24 < Tectu> no idea about the isreal flag, really
2016-02-19T15:16:33 < Tectu> and if that's totally wrong I really don't care what you think about me now :)
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2016-02-19T15:28:38 < Laurenceb> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8766849&cid=51540275
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2016-02-19T16:54:13 < Tectu> karlp, so?
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2016-02-19T17:19:03 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/kAz68nc.png
2016-02-19T17:23:58 < Laurenceb> status: ordering
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2016-02-19T17:59:35 < Laurenceb> this iphone password thing
2016-02-19T17:59:55 < Laurenceb> cant they desolder cpu and nand and stick them on a board with an fpga in the middle
2016-02-19T18:00:08 < Laurenceb> to prevent the cpu wiping the flash
2016-02-19T18:04:00 < Sync> right :D
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2016-02-19T18:04:29 < Laurenceb> sounds like the sort of thing the nsa would build
2016-02-19T18:06:13 < BrainDamage> ofc they can, but they want a cheap and easy solution
2016-02-19T18:06:21 < BrainDamage> also they want a legal precedent
2016-02-19T18:06:53 < BrainDamage> it'd be a fantastic evil maid legal precdent
2016-02-19T18:11:11 < englishman> they just found a higher bidder than the FBI and now fbi is upset
2016-02-19T18:13:20 < Laurenceb> http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2016/02/18/opinion_against_feds_iphone_case/
2016-02-19T18:13:24 < Laurenceb> lolling at comments
2016-02-19T18:13:38 < Laurenceb> especially CheesyTheClown
2016-02-19T18:14:52 < Laurenceb> the cpu has hardware encryption with key in OTP memory aiui
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2016-02-19T18:15:09 < Laurenceb> so aiui you need the actual cpu to do anything useful
2016-02-19T18:15:33 < BrainDamage> you could even decap the cpu and probe the data lines
2016-02-19T18:15:37 < BrainDamage> and get the key
2016-02-19T18:16:10 < Laurenceb> supposedly its got metal layers and stuff
2016-02-19T18:16:26 < Laurenceb> but yeah it should be possible to read the OTP with some decapping
2016-02-19T18:17:01 < Laurenceb> then you can just stick the flash on a breakout and do the passkey hacking by brute force on a pc
2016-02-19T18:17:03 < jadew> there are safer ways of attack
2016-02-19T18:17:09 < jadew> they could inject code into ram
2016-02-19T18:17:21 < Laurenceb> jadew: encryption is all hardware
2016-02-19T18:17:22 < BrainDamage> os is signed
2016-02-19T18:17:28 < Laurenceb> there are no code attacks
2016-02-19T18:17:32 < BrainDamage> and the registers will be protected
2016-02-19T18:17:37 < Laurenceb> even if you hack the os you cant do it
2016-02-19T18:17:40 < Sync> Laurenceb: that is what you think
2016-02-19T18:17:41 < gxti> ???
2016-02-19T18:17:44 < Laurenceb> its black box hardware
2016-02-19T18:17:46 < jadew> Laurenceb, yeah, but they could inject code into ram that will then run on the CPU
2016-02-19T18:17:55 < jadew> so you gain access to the CPUs encryption utilities
2016-02-19T18:17:55 < Laurenceb> hmm
2016-02-19T18:18:00 < gxti> you don't need to extract the key, you just decrypt everything
2016-02-19T18:18:00 < Laurenceb> yeah wtf
2016-02-19T18:18:04 < Sync> probably if you are the nsa and do some magic handwaving at the chip it will be like "kthx, have the key"
2016-02-19T18:18:04 < gxti> the normal way
2016-02-19T18:18:18 < Sync> jadew: they can still protect that
2016-02-19T18:18:20 < Laurenceb> just run your own code and brute force it on the cpu
2016-02-19T18:18:22 < Laurenceb> yeah
2016-02-19T18:18:36 < Sync> just not give you scrub process the reg access
2016-02-19T18:18:36 < jadew> Sync, sure, but I doubt they did
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2016-02-19T18:18:45 < Sync> look at the nintendo DS hacking talk
2016-02-19T18:18:48 < Sync> they do it in there
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2016-02-19T18:18:54 < jadew> they encrypt the ram?
2016-02-19T18:18:56 < gxti> i mean they COULD encrypt the ram too but it's an iphone not a security token
2016-02-19T18:18:59 < Sync> but got rekt because the gpu has full access
2016-02-19T18:18:59 < Sync> yes
2016-02-19T18:19:11 < Sync> they encrypt the ram and they limit processes register access
2016-02-19T18:19:21 < gxti> game consoles are srs bsns
2016-02-19T18:19:37 < jadew> see, I don't think I want my devices to be THAT well protected
2016-02-19T18:19:49 < jadew> if I drop my phone in the toilet, I want to be able to extract the photos
2016-02-19T18:19:53 < Laurenceb> yeah they just need to run their own code on cpu
2016-02-19T18:19:56 < Sync> but they are, for your convenience
2016-02-19T18:20:03 < Laurenceb> problem sorted
2016-02-19T18:20:18 < jadew> Laurenceb, yeah, that should work too, unless they use some salt in the firmware too :)
2016-02-19T18:20:22 < Sync> have you ever tried to extract your porn from a NAND?
2016-02-19T18:20:28 < Sync> you will realize that it is no fun at all
2016-02-19T18:20:29 < englishman> hasnt 30 years of console hacking proved that no hardware is secure to amateurs and unlimited time
2016-02-19T18:20:38 < Sync> yes englishman
2016-02-19T18:20:42 < Sync> but the pain is real
2016-02-19T18:20:55 < jadew> Sync, I actually hacked into a device a couple of weeks ago by reading the NAND memory and bruteforcing the hash in the firmware
2016-02-19T18:21:04 < jadew> had to recover some stuff for a friend
2016-02-19T18:21:05 < Laurenceb> the apple hardware encryption block is kind of cool
2016-02-19T18:21:22 < Laurenceb> but yeah it can still be brute forced if you can access its registers
2016-02-19T18:21:34 < karlp> is it really that hard to get a filesystem back off a nand chip?
2016-02-19T18:21:40 < karlp> if you didn't hve any encryption on it?
2016-02-19T18:21:40 < jadew> karlp, no
2016-02-19T18:21:56 < Laurenceb> lol ST HAL has NAND filesystem drivers
2016-02-19T18:22:00 < Laurenceb> so no its not hard
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2016-02-19T18:22:16 < BrainDamage> they are only doing it for convenience
2016-02-19T18:22:27 < jadew> the encryption?
2016-02-19T18:22:27 < BrainDamage> not because ogm applz encryption is unbrekable
2016-02-19T18:22:29 < Sync> it depends karlp, if they are doing wear leveling, it is pretty awful
2016-02-19T18:22:34 < jadew> ah
2016-02-19T18:22:36 < BrainDamage> the court order
2016-02-19T18:22:37 < jadew> BrainDamage, probably
2016-02-19T18:22:51 < karlp> oh boo. was hoping to get some files off a nand from a phone that went in the wash,
2016-02-19T18:23:07 < karlp> thought it should be something like, "jtag dump flash, binwalk to get filesystem chunks, mount and copy off"
2016-02-19T18:23:30 < BrainDamage> and mostly, i believe
2016-02-19T18:23:50 < BrainDamage> it'd be a legal precedent to allow them to get backdoors into better systems
2016-02-19T18:24:24 < BrainDamage> they have been trying that since the '92, with key escrow systems mandatory for pots encryptions
2016-02-19T18:24:28 < jadew> yeah, it might even invalidate the evidence
2016-02-19T18:24:34 < Laurenceb> so you I bet they could brute force it via jtag
2016-02-19T18:25:10 < Sync> karlp: you can probably try it
2016-02-19T18:29:37 < karlp> have been tossing up sending the phone to http://multi-com.pl/ and asking them to do it, or buying the jtag adapter plate from them and hacking the shit out of things myself.
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2016-02-19T20:39:57 < Laurenceb> prob best to double check Ti reference design before ordering pcbs
2016-02-19T20:43:54 < Laurenceb> anyone know if its possible to stream FLAC?
2016-02-19T20:44:15  * Laurenceb is wondering if he could stream ECg over the Spirit1 using FLAC
2016-02-19T20:44:50 < Sync> why not
2016-02-19T20:46:30 < BrainDamage> all audio and video formats should be easily streamable
2016-02-19T20:47:24 < BrainDamage> altought video with back-referces becomes a clusterfuck and you need to have at least 2 keyframes ...
2016-02-19T20:49:32 < Laurenceb> ok
2016-02-19T20:49:44 < Laurenceb> I have FLAC code ready to c&p
2016-02-19T20:49:58 < Laurenceb> should improve throughput a little
2016-02-19T20:52:55 < Laurenceb> right gantt charts updated, time to go home
2016-02-19T20:53:11 < Laurenceb> inb4 lol Gantt
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2016-02-19T20:58:56 < BrainDamage> why not some mundane compression
2016-02-19T21:00:18 < BrainDamage> like LZMA or DEFLATE
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2016-02-19T22:26:47 < kakimir> https://i.imgur.com/hY9sZMc.png posse!
2016-02-19T22:27:40 < Laurenceb_> a shocking thing happened
2016-02-19T22:27:58 < Laurenceb_> managers decided to use c# over labview at work
2016-02-19T22:28:19 < Laurenceb_> what a bunch of dweebs
2016-02-19T22:28:23 < BrainDamage> at friday night evening?
2016-02-19T22:28:30 < BrainDamage> are you sure alcohol wasn't involved?
2016-02-19T22:28:40 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-02-19T22:29:03 < Laurenceb_> now we are going to hire a c# developer... in a 2 week window
2016-02-19T22:29:11 < Laurenceb_> yeah maybe alcohol was involved
2016-02-19T22:39:21 < Lux> how does c# and labview even relate ?
2016-02-19T22:40:46 < Laurenceb_> for gui design
2016-02-19T22:42:31 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cbl-HVRUYAA3mp-.jpg
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2016-02-19T22:45:49 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/cTcpSBq.jpg
2016-02-19T22:52:04 < Steffanx> How can that be a bad thing Laurenceb_? Labview is the worst thing you can find outside a lab.
2016-02-19T22:53:11 < Laurenceb_> I didnt say it was bad
2016-02-19T22:53:27 < Laurenceb_> <Laurenceb_> what a bunch of dweebs
2016-02-19T22:53:34 < Laurenceb_> I mean kakimir's friends
2016-02-19T22:55:07 < Steffanx> ooh, not the managers
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2016-02-19T23:24:35 < Laurenceb_> arg wtf
2016-02-19T23:24:43 < Laurenceb_> libFLAC only supports up to 8 channels
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2016-02-19T23:26:38 < Laurenceb_> rekt
2016-02-19T23:27:11 < Laurenceb_> lol I could use multiple files
2016-02-19T23:30:39 < Laurenceb_> having said that I don't actually see where its going to break from the source
2016-02-19T23:33:40 < Laurenceb_> #define FLAC__MAX_CHANNELS (8u)
2016-02-19T23:33:41 < Laurenceb_> rage
2016-02-19T23:40:19 < Laurenceb_> anyone got any idea for a lossless compressed format for storing multichannel data?
2016-02-19T23:40:33 < zyp> zip
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2016-02-19T23:43:58 < Laurenceb_> lol
2016-02-19T23:44:12 < zyp> why? I'm serious
2016-02-19T23:44:39 < Laurenceb_> well it'd need to be run afterwards
2016-02-19T23:44:48 < Laurenceb_> or can it be run in real time?
2016-02-19T23:45:02 < BrainDamage> they can run streaming
2016-02-19T23:45:09 < Laurenceb_> also what happens if the datalogger suddenly dies?
2016-02-19T23:45:12 < Laurenceb_> oh ok
2016-02-19T23:45:29 < BrainDamage> the last block will end up corrupted
2016-02-19T23:45:47 < Laurenceb_> FLAC is nice as it has "track info", comments, and channels with different config
2016-02-19T23:45:47 < BrainDamage> the larger the block size, the better compression, but the more latency / buffering
2016-02-19T23:45:57 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should try to hack FLAC into working
2016-02-19T23:46:08 < zyp> Laurenceb_, if you prefer weird solutions you can make it a png with one col per channel, one row per measurement
2016-02-19T23:46:23 < Laurenceb_> haha
2016-02-19T23:46:42 < zyp> eh
2016-02-19T23:46:55 < Laurenceb_> png doesnt allow embedded comments
2016-02-19T23:47:04 < zyp> just make whatever uncompressed framing format you want
2016-02-19T23:47:14 < zyp> then feed it through whatever streaming compressiong thing you want
2016-02-19T23:47:22 < zyp> gzip/bzip2/lzma/etc
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2016-02-19T23:48:17 < Laurenceb_> hmm ok
2016-02-19T23:48:25 < Laurenceb_> I need to understand streaming compression
2016-02-19T23:56:55 < Laurenceb_> of course I might just run out of memory
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2016-02-20T00:08:01 < kakimir> have you yet found your gender Laurenceb_ ?
2016-02-20T00:10:19 < kakimir> I didn't remember there was not just all the unicorn preferences but also genders
2016-02-20T00:10:27 < BrainDamage> oh is it troll time? https://freenode-feminism.github.io/
2016-02-20T00:11:14 < BrainDamage> >Men, White people, heterosexuals, cis people, and abled people set the oppressive normative standards of our society. Attacking such groups does not qualify as oppressive speech and is not equivalent to attacking oppressed groups; reverse racism and misandry do not exist. MRAs will be instantly banned.
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2016-02-20T00:14:54 < Laurenceb_> Poes law
2016-02-20T00:15:10 < Laurenceb_> wait they are infiltrating freenode... halp
2016-02-20T00:15:22 < Laurenceb_> holy shit I just had a troll idea
2016-02-20T00:15:38 < Laurenceb_> cancel the c# dev job and use audacity
2016-02-20T00:16:04 < kakimir> soon it's femnode as they cuck admins
2016-02-20T00:16:46 < Laurenceb_> data -> libFLAC -> audacity
2016-02-20T00:16:50 < Laurenceb_> I can haz moneyz?
2016-02-20T00:18:04 < Laurenceb_> looks like I can stick multiple FLACs inside an ogg container
2016-02-20T00:18:21 < Laurenceb_> thish should work... if I have enough ram
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2016-02-20T00:19:12 < Laurenceb_> and an F3 is fast enough
2016-02-20T00:19:17 < crt> good morning gentlemen
2016-02-20T00:20:09 < Laurenceb_> we get signal
2016-02-20T00:20:28 < crt> main screen turn on
2016-02-20T00:21:22 < Laurenceb_> dank memes confirmed
2016-02-20T00:26:06 < Laurenceb_> hmm... so rather than trying to write my own buggy and poorly implimented undocumented standard
2016-02-20T00:26:21 < Laurenceb_> I am going to use one from someone else
2016-02-20T00:27:01 < crt> and that's how we bake the cake
2016-02-20T00:28:08 < Laurenceb_> https://xiph.org/flac/ogg_mapping.html
2016-02-20T00:28:17 < Laurenceb_> I see nothing about multiple FLAC streams
2016-02-20T00:29:28 < Laurenceb_> oh nvm https://xiph.org/vorbis/doc/oggstream.html
2016-02-20T00:29:53 < Laurenceb_> guess I need to decide if I should implement that from scratch... looks simple enough
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2016-02-20T00:33:36 < Laurenceb_> wow this is actually simple and easy to use https://xiph.org/vorbis/doc/framing.html
2016-02-20T00:35:02 < Laurenceb_> ok so nasty hacked c code to put together an ogg stream from libFLAC
2016-02-20T00:35:09 < crt> looks straightforward enough
2016-02-20T00:36:32 < Laurenceb_> I have 8 ECG channels, so thats FLAC stream 1, then GPS + status + temperature etc as 2, and IMU as 3
2016-02-20T00:37:05 < Laurenceb_> I wonder what happens if you have the streams badly interleaved
2016-02-20T00:37:36 < Sync> just use different frequencies in the thing
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2016-02-20T01:03:32 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2016-02-20T01:03:33 < Laurenceb_> https://xiph.org/flac/comparison.html
2016-02-20T01:03:48 < Laurenceb_> is M3 at 72mhz 17k times slower than core 2 duo?
2016-02-20T01:04:38 < Laurenceb_> as I need 8 channels at~150sps
2016-02-20T01:26:12 < Laurenceb_> hmm ok using DMIPS for core 2 duo and F1 I get 19% cpu use on F1
2016-02-20T01:26:19 < Laurenceb_> sounds like it might work
2016-02-20T01:28:14 < kakimir> I applied for a job uncle Laurence
2016-02-20T01:29:08 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-02-20T01:29:42 < crt> the capacitor negotiator
2016-02-20T01:30:16 < kakimir> waiting to my dissapointment to be processed and posted in early next week
2016-02-20T01:32:03 < crt> that means you're not getting it?
2016-02-20T01:32:26 < kakimir> I actually have chance
2016-02-20T01:32:49 < kakimir> job is solderin prototypes and messing around
2016-02-20T01:32:55 < dongs> sup freelancers
2016-02-20T01:32:59 < crt> sodering is fun
2016-02-20T01:33:25 < Laurenceb_>  Note that the vorbis comment spec allows for on the order of 2 ^ 64 bytes of data
2016-02-20T01:33:27 < Laurenceb_> whyyyyyyy
2016-02-20T01:33:38 < dongs> so you can attach warez into your flac releases
2016-02-20T01:33:41 < dongs> to make them look bigger
2016-02-20T01:33:45 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-02-20T01:34:05 < Laurenceb_> kiddypronz
2016-02-20T01:34:07 < dongs> time toload up dicknplace
2016-02-20T01:34:14 < dongs> on a saturday, fuck you
2016-02-20T01:34:22 < crt> the liberal voting dogs
2016-02-20T01:35:51 < Laurenceb_> if I can find a gui that supports all this shit it literally does everything we need
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2016-02-20T01:37:53 < crt> sounds like a bird smashed into the roller door
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2016-02-20T01:41:10 < Laurenceb_> hmf vorbis comments cant be stuck randomly in the middle of the data
2016-02-20T01:41:18 < Laurenceb_> at least I don't think they can...
2016-02-20T01:42:34 < crt> cp injection
2016-02-20T01:43:11 < Laurenceb_> take a seat over there
2016-02-20T01:43:41 < crt> chris hansennnn
2016-02-20T01:43:50 < crt> he's back in the game too
2016-02-20T01:44:00 < crt> dickstarted pedo hunt
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2016-02-20T01:44:45 < Laurenceb_> japs have already made a oculus pedo simulator
2016-02-20T01:45:03 < crt> they probably made a console suited for pedo sim 20 years ago
2016-02-20T01:46:00 < crt> think it was called the virtual boy
2016-02-20T01:46:01 < crt> LOL
2016-02-20T01:47:01 < Laurenceb_> hmm guess I could just use some nasty allocate/copy techniques on file close to move all the comments to the start
2016-02-20T01:47:23 < Laurenceb_> have a temp file open at runtime to accumulate the comments and associated seek tags
2016-02-20T01:48:03 < Laurenceb_>  0:15:05 Horse died LOL
2016-02-20T01:51:52 < crt> neat
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2016-02-20T01:54:24 < Laurenceb_> i'll probably have preset comments in a txt file, coded to button presses
2016-02-20T01:54:32 < Laurenceb_> triple press -> line 3
2016-02-20T01:56:53 < crt> yes
2016-02-20T01:57:26 < crt> i'm trying to paint in my head a picture of what you're building
2016-02-20T01:59:04 < kakimir> black jesus in in trouble
2016-02-20T01:59:11 < kakimir> is*
2016-02-20T01:59:59 < crt> who is black jesus
2016-02-20T02:00:08 < kakimir> kanye west
2016-02-20T02:00:22 < kakimir> hollywood trash
2016-02-20T02:02:17 < crt> fuck those wankers
2016-02-20T02:03:39 < kakimir> how can you debt 53Mil?
2016-02-20T02:03:51 < crt> the garbage that gets on the radio courtesy of those types makes me want to punch babies
2016-02-20T02:03:59 < crt> kakimir: be a dumb motherfucker thats how
2016-02-20T02:08:07 < kakimir> hah.. he was just attention whoring
2016-02-20T02:09:07 < crt> i'd die a happy man if they all disappeared
2016-02-20T02:09:16 < kakimir> would you
2016-02-20T02:10:09 < crt> yeah perhaps
2016-02-20T02:11:04 < crt> it'd be magnificent
2016-02-20T02:11:36 < crt> gah i forgot me farken ESR meter
2016-02-20T02:11:45 < kakimir> how can that affect you that much?
2016-02-20T02:12:15 < crt> gotta fix this board that's been sitting on my desk for 3 weeks
2016-02-20T02:14:38 < crt> also the cuck hasn't refilled the toner cartridges
2016-02-20T02:16:19 < kakimir> your personal cuck?
2016-02-20T02:16:49 < crt> the it cuck
2016-02-20T02:17:02 < kakimir> oh
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2016-02-20T02:17:49 < kakimir> how does he like it?
2016-02-20T02:18:06 < crt> fucked if i know
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2016-02-20T02:50:55 < Laurenceb_> crt: a datalogger for horse racing
2016-02-20T02:52:58 < dongs> more like mrhands.jpg
2016-02-20T02:53:19 < Laurenceb_> lol
2016-02-20T02:53:28 < dongs> why are you using flac in a datalogger?
2016-02-20T02:53:39 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should add special commands for hardcoded comments
2016-02-20T02:53:59 < Laurenceb_>  "encountered mr hands, horse died, as did mr hands"
2016-02-20T02:54:12 < Laurenceb_> dongs: because... its a format
2016-02-20T02:54:23 < Laurenceb_> and its better than FLAC
2016-02-20T02:54:28 < dongs> wot
2016-02-20T02:54:29 < Laurenceb_> erm WAV
2016-02-20T02:54:32 < dongs> k
2016-02-20T02:54:54 < Laurenceb_> also with ogg container I can have multiple channels with different sample rates and number of bits
2016-02-20T02:55:24 < dongs> is that shit even suited for embedded
2016-02-20T02:55:31 < dongs> i thought it was written to use gigs of ram
2016-02-20T02:55:35 < Laurenceb_> looks like it should run
2016-02-20T02:55:43 < Laurenceb_> yeah I'm a bit confused
2016-02-20T02:56:19 < Laurenceb_> I'm not sure how much ram it uses, but with short block size the obvious stuff should be ~8k
2016-02-20T02:58:27 < Laurenceb_> if it doesnt work I'll try to use WAV in a container or something lol
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2016-02-20T02:59:33 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/YjC63Gm.jpg
2016-02-20T03:03:03 < Sync> Laurenceb_: just use a rpi
2016-02-20T03:03:05 < Laurenceb_> whatever that is it looks too heavy for the car
2016-02-20T03:03:08 < Laurenceb_> lol Sync
2016-02-20T03:03:53 < Laurenceb_> I need these things like RTC, low power and battery charging
2016-02-20T03:04:05 < Laurenceb_> and working usb device mode
2016-02-20T03:04:28 < Laurenceb_> hmf need to find actual FLAC encode specs for ARM
2016-02-20T03:06:32 < Sync> just make the battery bigger
2016-02-20T03:07:23 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-02-20T03:08:14 < Sync> we put a 10000mAh cell on our shit
2016-02-20T03:08:48 < Laurenceb_> lol
2016-02-20T03:09:00 < Sync> cells were dead after the demo, as my boost converter sucks them down to like .5V
2016-02-20T03:09:01 < Laurenceb_> I have 70mm x 70mm x 8 mm and 50 grams mass
2016-02-20T03:09:06 < Laurenceb_> oops
2016-02-20T03:09:16 < Laurenceb_>  - mass budget
2016-02-20T03:10:00 < Sync> well, we got the contract
2016-02-20T03:10:03 < Sync> so it is all good
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2016-02-20T03:11:24 < Laurenceb_> heh kickstarter level success
2016-02-20T03:11:35 < dongs> youre just ognna use flac to compress random data?
2016-02-20T03:11:42 < dongs> isnt it kinda optimized towards audio-ish stuff?
2016-02-20T03:11:54 < dongs> wouldnt zlib or lzma or some other shit make more sense
2016-02-20T03:11:55 < crt> anyone got 10u/24v ceramic mate
2016-02-20T03:12:04 < dongs> 10uF/25V
2016-02-20T03:12:07 < crt> yes
2016-02-20T03:12:09 < crt> that1
2016-02-20T03:12:13 < dongs> is what it comes in  , not 24
2016-02-20T03:12:17 < crt> i know
2016-02-20T03:12:27 < dongs> i think i got some, in 12065
2016-02-20T03:12:29 < dongs> 1206
2016-02-20T03:12:31 < crt> a typographical accident
2016-02-20T03:12:36 < Sync> well, it was some eu sponsored shits Laurenceb_
2016-02-20T03:12:37 < crt> i'll fit it in
2016-02-20T03:12:42 < dongs> in a reel
2016-02-20T03:13:14 < Laurenceb_> heh eu projects are always guaranteed income
2016-02-20T03:13:39 < Laurenceb_> dongs: no its multichannel ECG data, and FLAC can compress for inter channel correlation
2016-02-20T03:13:39 < Sync> mostly
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2016-02-20T03:13:44 < Laurenceb_> it should compress really well
2016-02-20T03:14:07 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWmfNeLs7fA such r2com
2016-02-20T03:14:53 < Laurenceb_> PeterM: no homo
2016-02-20T03:17:14 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/TgiYMp.jpg
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2016-02-20T03:17:49 < PeterM> holy shit
2016-02-20T03:18:03 < Laurenceb_> wut
2016-02-20T03:18:08 < PeterM> Laurenceb_, this may be the first thing you've posted in weeks that has been actualyl amusing
2016-02-20T03:18:19 < Laurenceb_> oh.. its a bit lame
2016-02-20T03:18:21 < Laurenceb_> fairdoos
2016-02-20T03:18:31 < Laurenceb_> I was hoping for tubgirl in panel 3
2016-02-20T03:18:49 < Laurenceb_> emeb_mac: do you know anything about audio encoding formats?
2016-02-20T03:20:18 < crt> fuck yeah
2016-02-20T03:20:22 < crt> tub it up
2016-02-20T03:20:41 < crt> pumpers love tubgirl
2016-02-20T03:21:32 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb_: depends on what kind of encoding you mean.
2016-02-20T03:21:42 < emeb_mac> you mean compression then no.
2016-02-20T03:21:46 < Laurenceb_> this is for use in dataloggers
2016-02-20T03:21:59 < Laurenceb_> yeah I was hoping to use FLAC compression
2016-02-20T03:22:14 < emeb_mac> you need that kind of SNR?
2016-02-20T03:22:27 < Laurenceb_> 24 bit
2016-02-20T03:22:31 < Laurenceb_> 140dB or so
2016-02-20T03:22:34 < emeb_mac> gah
2016-02-20T03:22:44 < emeb_mac> can't help there.
2016-02-20T03:22:48 < Laurenceb_> k
2016-02-20T03:23:07 < emeb_mac> I've used u-law/ A-law, telephony stuff but not audiophool
2016-02-20T03:23:15 < Laurenceb_> interesting, googling
2016-02-20T03:23:37 < emeb_mac> probably way too lossy for you
2016-02-20T03:23:58 < Laurenceb_> that looks quite lossy yeah
2016-02-20T03:24:26 < Laurenceb_> FLAC should work well in theory as i have 8 very similar channels
2016-02-20T03:24:37 < emeb_mac> ah - joint encoding.
2016-02-20T03:24:42 < emeb_mac> yeah - should be ideal
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2016-02-20T03:24:55 < Laurenceb_> if it will run
2016-02-20T03:25:09 < emeb_mac> trying to make it work on an STM32?
2016-02-20T03:25:22 < Laurenceb_> scaling DMIPS for F1 versus Core 2 Duo I get 18% cpu use for my system
2016-02-20T03:25:23 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-02-20T03:25:36 < emeb_mac> ooo - yep. I can see some work ahead.
2016-02-20T03:25:54 < Laurenceb_> block size is configurable so it might be poss to make it fit in memory
2016-02-20T03:26:22 < emeb_mac> tradeoff between effort vs just throwing more memory at the storage.
2016-02-20T03:26:41 < emeb_mac> "Sorry - you need a 64MB uSD card..."
2016-02-20T03:26:50 < emeb_mac> s/M/G/
2016-02-20T03:27:04 < Laurenceb_> well I want to be able to stream it over SPIRIT1
2016-02-20T03:27:17 < emeb_mac> ouch
2016-02-20T03:27:34 < Laurenceb_> also - very nutty idea, add ogg comments and seek tags
2016-02-20T03:27:46 < Laurenceb_> it'd actually be a useful datalogging format
2016-02-20T03:28:14 < Laurenceb_> and if audacity supports that...
2016-02-20T03:28:46 < Laurenceb_> graph viewing software too
2016-02-20T03:28:57 < emeb_mac> ogg is just a container, so you should be able to put anything in it.
2016-02-20T03:28:59 < Laurenceb_> I just solved all datalogging requests ever
2016-02-20T03:29:00 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-02-20T03:31:52 < emeb_mac> what's the data rate of SPIRIT1?
2016-02-20T03:32:51 < Laurenceb_> configurable, but you lose performance as you increase data rate
2016-02-20T03:33:28 < emeb_mac> naturally
2016-02-20T03:33:54 < emeb_mac> Shannon and all
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2016-02-20T03:40:34 < Laurenceb_> http://www.electronicsweekly.com/market-sectors/embedded-systems/cortex-m4-based-audio-board-runs-flac-and-ogg-vorbis-2012-03/
2016-02-20T03:42:12 < emeb_mac> indeed
2016-02-20T03:42:17 < emeb_mac> but for 8 channels?
2016-02-20T03:42:29 < emeb_mac> what's your sample rate?
2016-02-20T03:42:52 < Laurenceb_> 200hz
2016-02-20T03:43:06 < emeb_mac> so 1600sps total
2016-02-20T03:43:09 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-02-20T03:43:09 < emeb_mac> easy
2016-02-20T03:43:34 < Laurenceb_> yeah scaling for Core 2 Duo benchmarks using DMIPS I get 18% cpu on F1 at 72Mhz
2016-02-20T03:44:43 < dongs> blogomips
2016-02-20T03:44:49 < dongs> measure of chats
2016-02-20T03:45:21 < emeb_mac> le chats magnetiques
2016-02-20T03:45:51 < emeb_mac> chats/chants/champs
2016-02-20T03:46:33 < Laurenceb_> looks like ogg container supports discontinuous streams
2016-02-20T03:46:38 < Laurenceb_> this is very awesome
2016-02-20T03:46:53 < emeb_mac> nowai
2016-02-20T03:47:02 < emeb_mac> it's FOSS - it can't be worth poop
2016-02-20T03:47:22 < Laurenceb_> yeah... is there actual viewer software
2016-02-20T03:47:36 < Laurenceb_> you could have embedded video clips at certain times for example
2016-02-20T03:47:45 < Laurenceb_> never seen a viewer that supports that lol
2016-02-20T03:48:26 < Laurenceb_> well matlab seems to support all this shit so its still useful
2016-02-20T03:50:13 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/2cSfY9H.gifv
2016-02-20T03:50:17 < dongs> fukken perfect loop
2016-02-20T03:50:58 < Laurenceb_> sheet
2016-02-20T03:51:02 < Laurenceb_> where is that?
2016-02-20T03:51:33 < dongs> china
2016-02-20T03:51:46 < Sync> ye
2016-02-20T03:51:53 < Sync> the green roofs give it away
2016-02-20T03:52:08 < emeb_mac> kewl
2016-02-20T03:52:15 < emeb_mac> must have cross-faded
2016-02-20T03:52:30 < emeb_mac> that's a whole lotta water
2016-02-20T03:53:23 < kakimir> tell me of canuckland?
2016-02-20T03:55:15 < Laurenceb_> three gorges?
2016-02-20T03:55:28 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: you mean cancuckland?
2016-02-20T03:55:36 < Laurenceb_> yeah I spent too long on 8chan
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2016-02-20T03:57:44 < danielson> Atollic Truestudio Lite vs piecemeal Eclipse + GCC Cross Compiler. Thoughts?
2016-02-20T03:58:23 < kakimir> no
2016-02-20T03:59:10 < kakimir> there be designated cuckland
2016-02-20T04:03:28 < emeb_mac> Atollic Lite bites hard.
2016-02-20T04:03:39 < emeb_mac> stay away
2016-02-20T04:03:53 < emeb_mac> 1) takes forever to start up
2016-02-20T04:04:09 < emeb_mac> 2) has nag screen that you have to click thru every fucking time
2016-02-20T04:04:35 < emeb_mac> 3) Uses old version of GCC that doesn't handle F7 family as M7 but treats it as M4
2016-02-20T04:04:46 < emeb_mac> need I say more?
2016-02-20T04:05:17 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-02-20T04:05:32 < Laurenceb_> https://www.instagram.com/p/BB-u40nl8XL/
2016-02-20T04:05:42 < Laurenceb_> the reusable bits are secret sauce
2016-02-20T04:06:09 < Laurenceb_> I dont get what there is to hide, all the interesting bits can be seen sticking out the side at liftoff
2016-02-20T04:07:20 < crt> i see
2016-02-20T04:07:23 < crt> rockets mate
2016-02-20T04:08:06 < emeb_mac> hot rocket on rocket action
2016-02-20T04:08:38 < danielson> emeb_mac, do you use Eclipse w/ARM GNU Plugin?
2016-02-20T04:09:03 < emeb_mac> danielson: I use editor / make / gcc / gdb
2016-02-20T04:09:13 < emeb_mac> but I have used eclipse from time to time.
2016-02-20T04:09:25 < emeb_mac> SW4STM32 seems OK so far
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2016-02-20T04:11:32 < danielson> So in general you use a lightweight editor and make
2016-02-20T04:11:56 < danielson> Thanks for the Atollic tip. I cancelled the download
2016-02-20T04:13:22 < emeb_mac> danielson: you running on Win or Linux?
2016-02-20T04:13:55 < emeb_mac> I've tried openstm32.org SW4STM32 and it seems like an easy way to set up eclipse + arm gcc + stlink
2016-02-20T04:14:24 < emeb_mac> works fine on Win. Haven't explored fully on Linux.
2016-02-20T04:14:36 < danielson> Windows
2016-02-20T04:15:12 < danielson> A test project in Eclipse built correctly so that's a good signe
2016-02-20T04:15:13 < danielson> -e
2016-02-20T04:26:33 < Laurenceb_> is dat some hyperloop http://sites.psu.edu/vprclblog/wp-content/uploads/sites/31608/2015/09/Screen-Shot-2015-09-03-at-9.48.50-PM.png
2016-02-20T04:29:37 < crt> cunts are going off about the rape dungeon
2016-02-20T04:33:53 < crt> pumping, you?
2016-02-20T04:34:23 < crt> getting these repairs finished so i can go home and play keil uvision
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2016-02-20T04:51:27 < dongs> what kinda cunt works on saturdays
2016-02-20T04:52:20 < crt> me
2016-02-20T04:52:37 < crt> bout to call it a day though
2016-02-20T04:53:02 < dongs> k, me too tho
2016-02-20T04:53:04 < dongs> so youre excused
2016-02-20T04:53:24 < dongs> freelancin like a pro
2016-02-20T04:54:31 < crt> alright man, seeya round
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2016-02-20T05:43:22 < PeterM> wait.. is timecube gone?
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2016-02-20T07:15:33 < englishman> found a better paying job for Laurenceb https://gfycat.com/WideeyedFrayedHomalocephale
2016-02-20T07:17:08 < englishman> http://www.aethaer.com/
2016-02-20T07:17:13 < englishman> not even a dickstarter
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2016-02-20T07:40:45 < dongs> wat a fucking scam
2016-02-20T07:41:08 < emeb_mac> whazzat?
2016-02-20T07:41:44 < dongs>  < englishman> found a better paying job for Laurenceb https://gfycat.com/WideeyedFrayedHomalocephale
2016-02-20T07:42:42 < emeb_mac> lovingly bottled!
2016-02-20T08:04:19 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/qJFr0qe.jpg
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2016-02-20T08:31:25 < hesperaux> dear dongs, what IDE do you use for embedded development. Sincerely, hesperaux.
2016-02-20T08:31:58 < emeb_mac> why do you effn care?
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2016-02-20T08:32:37 < hesperaux> emeb_mac had a bad day
2016-02-20T08:32:43 < hesperaux> emeb_mac is now gone
2016-02-20T08:32:51 < hesperaux> oh well
2016-02-20T08:32:57 < PeterM> keil
2016-02-20T08:33:26 < hesperaux> that's what I heard
2016-02-20T08:33:40 < hesperaux> wanted to hear the English words from the English-speaking horse's mouth
2016-02-20T08:34:29 < jadew> dongs, I had a dream about you
2016-02-20T08:34:57 < jadew> I was looking for some zip file and you told me where I can find it
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2016-02-20T09:49:05 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/JwZUjuh.webm
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2016-02-20T11:04:22 < dongs> i dont get it
2016-02-20T11:04:24 < dongs> is that vapism
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2016-02-20T12:53:51 < PaulFertser> I'm so mad at ST for implementing that sick "calendar" instead of a normal seconds counter!
2016-02-20T12:58:02 < Steffann> its not only ST who does that ;)
2016-02-20T13:01:08 < PeterM> can't wait til 19 jan 2038 guys
2016-02-20T13:01:14 < PeterM> *rolls eyes*
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2016-02-20T13:07:15 < crt> delicious
2016-02-20T13:17:04 < PaulFertser> Steffann: but why?
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2016-02-20T13:25:00 < PaulFertser> Are you X?
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2016-02-20T13:26:38 < Steffanx> im me :)
2016-02-20T13:26:58 < Steffanx> but i dont know the answer to your question, probably because its some crappy "standard"?
2016-02-20T13:26:59 < PeterM> how is that pronounced? steffanecks?
2016-02-20T13:27:05 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: I mean I know some "Straight Edge" followers add Xs to their nicks to signify that.
2016-02-20T13:27:11 < Steffanx> it is not to be pronounced. Just say Steffan :P
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2016-02-20T13:27:34 < Steffan_> better? :P
2016-02-20T13:27:55 < crt> hmm
2016-02-20T13:28:03 < PeterM> heaps good steve
2016-02-20T13:29:19 < PaulFertser> sXe people are "abstaining from intoxicants" and "living drug-free".
2016-02-20T13:29:51 < Steffan_> oh, seems like a good thing.
2016-02-20T13:30:20 < crt> wtf is a sXe people?
2016-02-20T13:30:34 < ReadError> straight edge
2016-02-20T13:30:42 < crt> tried that
2016-02-20T13:30:53 < ReadError> they wear 'x's on their hands
2016-02-20T13:30:58 < Steffan_> i think it came from : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_X
2016-02-20T13:31:00 < ReadError> to show everyone how straightedge they are
2016-02-20T13:31:06 < Steffan_> As it didnt want to use my last name in my nick :)
2016-02-20T13:31:51 < PaulFertser> Funny how different cultural backgrounds provide for such a drastically different interpretations.
2016-02-20T13:34:03 < Steffan_> *i
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2016-02-20T14:46:16 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0LAzFB0Qh8 omg look dickstartier
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2016-02-20T15:01:12 < Tectu> wasn't there a similar project based on ultrasonic lately?
2016-02-20T15:02:40 < Laurenceb_> lol that thing
2016-02-20T15:05:06 < englishman> pff, my phone recharges by capturing energy from its own wifi signals
2016-02-20T15:11:16 < dongs> sweet
2016-02-20T15:18:38 < Laurenceb_> hmm maybe I should use AVI in my datalogger
2016-02-20T15:21:08 < Steffan_> avi.. whats next? live video streaming?
2016-02-20T15:22:13 < Laurenceb_> use it as a container
2016-02-20T15:22:48 < Laurenceb_> or BWF  https://tech.ebu.ch/docs/tech/tech3285.pdf
2016-02-20T15:22:57 < Tectu> what's the proper way of handling a systick overflow in a function that calculates the time passed?
2016-02-20T15:22:58 < kakimir> take the poo to the loo
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2016-02-20T15:28:51 < Mikk36> Hey
2016-02-20T15:29:16 < Mikk36> Tried to follow this guide here to use mbed in eclipse: http://www.hotboards.org/index.php/es/20-spanish/blog/st/114-mbed-en-eclipse
2016-02-20T15:29:55 < Mikk36> But I'm getting an error like this:
2016-02-20T15:30:04 < Mikk36> E:/STM32/mbed-master/build/mbed/TARGET_NUCLEO_F411RE/TOOLCHAIN_GCC_ARM/hal_tick.o: In function `HAL_InitTick':
2016-02-20T15:30:04 < Mikk36> hal_tick.c:(.text.HAL_InitTick+0x5a): undefined reference to `NVIC_SetVector'
2016-02-20T15:31:35 < Mikk36> What could I be missing?
2016-02-20T15:37:57 < Mikk36> Hm, reinserted linker entries for board and cmsis_nvic, fixed that and another error
2016-02-20T15:38:11 < Mikk36> Now I'm still getting undefined reference for _kill
2016-02-20T15:40:48 < Mikk36> and _getpid
2016-02-20T15:45:35 < Mikk36> Bleh, blind me, missed one part of a step
2016-02-20T15:45:49 < Mikk36> "Other linker flags"
2016-02-20T15:58:35 < dongs> avi is pretty awful
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2016-02-20T16:11:22 < Laurenceb_> oga looks doable
2016-02-20T16:11:36 < Laurenceb_> oggpcm streams in an ogg container
2016-02-20T16:11:46 < Laurenceb_> no need for FLAC, but ~3 times the data rate
2016-02-20T16:12:02 < Laurenceb_> its supported by matlab, labview and audacity
2016-02-20T16:16:17 < Sync> i thought you were switching to cblunt
2016-02-20T16:19:37 < Laurenceb_> maybe
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2016-02-20T16:21:45 < jpa-> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/shiftwear-customize-your-kicks#/    estimate the chances that they actually have access to flexible color eink
2016-02-20T16:23:36 < Laurenceb_> Campaign Owners are not permitted to offer or provide any of the following as a Perk:
2016-02-20T16:23:36 < Laurenceb_>     any form of "security" (as such term is defined in the Securities Act of 1933);
2016-02-20T16:23:39 < Laurenceb_> lolling
2016-02-20T16:24:23 < Laurenceb_> Capone Inc, pre-order your "protection plan" today
2016-02-20T16:25:28 < Laurenceb_> no air transportation allowed either
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2016-02-20T16:33:43 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/q7WxEzp.jpg
2016-02-20T16:37:08 < dongs> http://www.situne-ic.com/products.html
2016-02-20T16:37:09 < dongs> wat
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2016-02-20T16:40:21 < MightyPork> if you remember that ASM CMSIS crap I was trying to make - it's now here https://github.com/MightyPork/stm32-asm-examples
2016-02-20T16:40:28 < MightyPork> (I doubt it's very useful though)
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2016-02-20T16:50:43 < Laurenceb_> I was going to write a GPS receiver in thumb 2
2016-02-20T16:50:46 < Laurenceb_> but then I got high
2016-02-20T16:52:04 < Laurenceb_> I'm not sure if F7 would be faster than F4
2016-02-20T16:54:18 < dongs> why would it be
2016-02-20T16:54:23 < dongs> the  chromart stuff?
2016-02-20T16:54:31 < dongs> err not chormart but whatever ART accelator trash
2016-02-20T16:54:34 < dongs> just run shit from CCM
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2016-02-20T17:10:22 < dongs> Laurenceb_: you have IEEExplode access through your gay university right
2016-02-20T17:10:34 < dongs> (or does anyone else in here)
2016-02-20T17:10:43 < dongs> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=7329950 need this plz
2016-02-20T17:11:33 < Steffan_> maybe .. let me look into my password box. I stumbled up on some username/password for it a while ago.
2016-02-20T17:12:27 < Laurenceb_> not on uni network atm
2016-02-20T17:13:37 < Steffan_> awh, the username no longer works :(
2016-02-20T17:13:53 < dongs> nice, i got it solved tho
2016-02-20T17:13:58 < dongs> <3
2016-02-20T17:15:17 < Laurenceb_> lol does this relate to those Italian guys?
2016-02-20T17:15:26 < Laurenceb_> with their totally not MIMO system
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2016-02-20T17:15:37 < Laurenceb_> to be fair it wasnt quite regular MIMO
2016-02-20T17:15:45 < dongs> its just japtv shit
2016-02-20T17:15:46 < dongs> really boring
2016-02-20T17:15:59 < dongs> but i can drive over there and steal their 8K tv
2016-02-20T17:16:38 < Laurenceb_> ah
2016-02-20T17:23:33 < kakimir> MightyPork: what is the purpose of this?
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2016-02-20T17:29:54 < Laurenceb_> http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/crashed-model-s.jpg
2016-02-20T17:30:09 < dongs> old
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2016-02-20T17:34:53 < Steffan_> date is even in the url :P
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2016-02-20T17:39:32 < dongs> http://thesmokinggun.com/documents/animals/alligator-at-wendys-293046 LOL
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2016-02-20T17:46:15 < dongs> k time to check feelancer and check out to bed
2016-02-20T17:46:38 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Change-bin-file/
2016-02-20T17:46:38 < dongs> lol
2016-02-20T17:46:50 < dongs> zyp, job 4 u ^
2016-02-20T17:48:12 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Need-High-Quality-PCB-Schematic/ job 4 Laurenceb_
2016-02-20T17:49:01 < Laurenceb_> connect the poo to the loo with minimal traces
2016-02-20T17:53:52 < dongs> wow, nothing good
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2016-02-20T18:05:12 < Rob235> ugh, easter commercials already
2016-02-20T18:05:29 < dongs> shitty christian holidays
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2016-02-20T18:08:23 < dongs> guise, need algorithm advice http://bcas.tv/paste/results/XEaprf16.html 1) write custom possibly buggy code or 2) just use tar/rar -m0
2016-02-20T18:08:39 < dongs> #2 at expense of wasting space
2016-02-20T18:16:34 < Rob235> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XVtUUtfjJE   ask that guy
2016-02-20T18:26:44 < MightyPork> kakimir: materials for assembler class. practical use - close to zero
2016-02-20T18:33:35 < kakimir> github exercise
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2016-02-20T18:41:28 < kakimir> is is wrong to use trimmers for automatic adjustment? and then manually adjust them?
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2016-02-20T18:42:39 < kakimir> what is the difference
2016-02-20T18:42:44 < kakimir> nothin?
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2016-02-20T18:53:49 < ambro718> Is there no way to see when the SD card releases the BUSY signal after sending the STOP_TRANSFER (CMD12) command to it?
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2016-02-20T19:27:41 < Laurenceb_> there is with spi...
2016-02-20T19:28:50 < ambro718> I'm dealing with the SDIO not SPI. The registers for SDIO don't have a busy indication. (I can do that on AT91 though!)
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2016-02-20T19:29:27 < ambro718> so I need to send lots of GET_STATUS commands to the card after writing to check for end of programming
2016-02-20T19:29:52 < Laurenceb_> I'm not familiar with SDIO
2016-02-20T19:31:11 < Laurenceb_> in spi mode it pulls MISO low iirc
2016-02-20T19:31:30 < Laurenceb_> maybe it pulls the data lines somehow.. just guessing
2016-02-20T19:32:23 < ambro718> The card pulls D0 low to indicate it's busy programming the flash, yes
2016-02-20T19:32:50 < ambro718> Actually I just solved it - looking at the level at the D0 pin seems to work!
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2016-02-20T19:33:53 < ambro718> as in, now I wait until D0 goes low, then send CMD13=SEND_STATUS, and I see the card is not in programming state.
2016-02-20T19:34:42 < Laurenceb_> how do you read D0 ?
2016-02-20T19:35:09 < Laurenceb_> oh you can probe the gpio register even when its in sdio mode?
2016-02-20T19:35:21 < Laurenceb_> lol I forgot how this shit work
2016-02-20T19:35:42 < ambro718> I look at GPIO IDR
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2016-02-20T19:36:19 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-02-20T19:36:35 < Laurenceb_> ok similar to spi mode then
2016-02-20T19:36:37 < ambro718> I didn't really expect it would work, the equivalent method did not work on AT91 (but there the SDIO peripheral has the busy indication which works when I configured the R1B response type...).
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2016-02-20T23:09:25 < aandrew> debugging freertos is a pain in the ass
2016-02-20T23:10:33 < PaulFertser> aandrew: do you know openocd supports showing threads in freertos?
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2016-02-20T23:13:11 < jpa-> does it work again?
2016-02-20T23:13:12 < PaulFertser> aandrew: also, freertos has facilities that allow you to check free stack space of every thread, you should probably do that. And once I helped debug a very strange problem when a local variable was corrupted by hell knows what and I just placed a watchpoint on it which triggered when another thread was overwriting it due to bad array bounds checking, wrong struct cast or something stupid like
2016-02-20T23:13:12 < aandrew> PaulFertser: I can see the threads fine (using openocd with the stlink on the stm32f4discovery)
2016-02-20T23:13:18 < PaulFertser> that.
2016-02-20T23:13:29 < PaulFertser> jpa-: yes, and the info manual contains documentation regarding that.
2016-02-20T23:13:42 < jpa-> PaulFertser: yeah, at some point it was broken for the freertos version i was using
2016-02-20T23:13:43 < PaulFertser> aandrew: with -rtos auto?
2016-02-20T23:13:50 < aandrew> yes I believe so. checking again
2016-02-20T23:14:06 < PaulFertser> aandrew: cool
2016-02-20T23:14:36 < aandrew> -f board/stm32f4discovery.cfg -c "stm32f4x.cpu configure -rtos auto;"
2016-02-20T23:14:38 < aandrew> yep
2016-02-20T23:15:14 < PaulFertser> Cool. That ; can be omitted if you like.
2016-02-20T23:15:23 < aandrew> and yes that stack space idea is a very good one. I mean the code has 4 threads and 3 of them appear to work
2016-02-20T23:15:27 < PaulFertser> aandrew: do you suspect you found a bug in freertos itself?
2016-02-20T23:15:31 < aandrew> the fourth starrts out working
2016-02-20T23:15:36 < aandrew> hell no, I'm positive it's in my own code
2016-02-20T23:15:49 < PaulFertser> :)
2016-02-20T23:16:04 < aandrew> but when I look at gdb's "thread apply all bt" the threads show up but two seem to be telling me they're in some permanent failure
2016-02-20T23:16:50 < aandrew> the first time connecting gdb I also get garbage. I run/break out again and it seems to make more sense
2016-02-20T23:16:58 < aandrew> although sometimes gdb hangs when pressing ^C
2016-02-20T23:17:25 < PaulFertser> aandrew: does your version include http://openocd.zylin.com/#/c/3003/ btw?
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2016-02-20T23:17:52 < aandrew> http://pastebin.com/JTUzanGP
2016-02-20T23:18:00 < PaulFertser> aandrew: there were some reports that gdb 7.10 sometimes doesn't work properly with openocd but since none of the active users reproduced that...
2016-02-20T23:18:40 < aandrew> no, I'm pretty sure my openocd/gcc are too old
2016-02-20T23:19:32 < aandrew> hm, gdb 7.8.0 here and openocd 0.9.0
2016-02-20T23:19:46 < aandrew> pretty sure this version of openocd is from homebrew
2016-02-20T23:19:47 < PaulFertser> Not sure if that STKALIGN issue is relevant for this case.
2016-02-20T23:20:10 < PaulFertser> Homebrew can build --HEAD easily too.
2016-02-20T23:20:28 < aandrew> yep
2016-02-20T23:20:28 < aandrew> $ brew info openocd
2016-02-20T23:20:28 < aandrew> open-ocd: stable 0.9.0 (bottled), HEAD
2016-02-20T23:20:57 < aandrew> yep, I should update and see but that stack info looks stupid
2016-02-20T23:21:01 < aandrew> as in wrong
2016-02-20T23:21:10 < aandrew> if my timer thread was errored out NOTHING would work
2016-02-20T23:24:28 < aandrew> oh, I bought that Hantek MSO5074FG, dongs would be proud
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2016-02-20T23:27:41 < englishman> he would tell you to ditch that china garbage and buy a $27k keysite
2016-02-20T23:27:50 < englishman> Looks like a cool scope tho
2016-02-20T23:28:19 < aandrew> it's ok for a cheap scope. I'd love a proper tek or lecroy
2016-02-20T23:28:20 < englishman> oh, down in the fine print it says it runs lunix
2016-02-20T23:28:53 < aandrew> yep
2016-02-20T23:29:05 < aandrew> one of the reasons I got it, not to hack on it but kindof just in case
2016-02-20T23:40:28 < aandrew> hm, am I just stupid or shouldn't osThreadYield() just give up the rest of the timeslice (and thus get another turn at it's next scheduled time?)
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2016-02-21T00:01:31 < englishman> dongs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGom8Y5wAow
2016-02-21T00:01:43 < englishman> even if you won't buy a Tesla your spawn can have one
2016-02-21T00:01:58 < englishman> and they can even recharge their ishits in it
2016-02-21T00:28:11 < amstan> sigh, i'm having some bad luck with i2c slave on f0
2016-02-21T00:28:19 < amstan> i'm only getting an address match about 40% of the time
2016-02-21T00:28:49 < amstan> and when i do, the ack looks very crummy(ends the moment clk goes back up(so less than a period)), and it doesn't even go below 0.7V
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2016-02-21T00:35:47 < Laurenceb_> sounds like anna logue issue
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2016-02-21T00:37:56 < amstan> the wave looks pretty good at the pin
2016-02-21T00:43:28 < aandrew> weird. without osThreadYield() it's workin.
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2016-02-21T00:49:40 < amstan> Laurenceb_: *facepalm* yep! i probably should have grounded the rpi to my f0 better
2016-02-21T01:05:38 < aandrew> hm, weird.
2016-02-21T01:05:53 < aandrew> osThreadYield() is doing exactly what it shoudl be doing. my test condition that is keeping it in the yield loop is failing
2016-02-21T01:06:04 < aandrew> as usual, ID10T error.
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2016-02-21T01:09:56 < aandrew> the state I'm waiting for jumps past too fast for the thread to see it. lazy programming. I should just put the PPP thread to sleep and wake it at the appropriate time
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2016-02-21T01:49:38 < aandrew> wow that's fun
2016-02-21T01:50:20 < aandrew> the cmsis_os.h file says that osWait and osSignalSet are available but they aren't actually implemented anywhere
2016-02-21T01:50:31 < aandrew> garbage. total garbage.
2016-02-21T01:59:21 < aandrew> it'd be helpful to have a "stmcube mapped these cmsis functions to these freertos functions" type of page
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2016-02-21T02:32:53 < aandrew> ok, so stm32cube's cmsis/freertos has no signals. it has mutexes and semaphores but no signals.
2016-02-21T02:33:06 < aandrew> hence no osWait nor osSetEent or whatever
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2016-02-21T03:20:00 < daniels2n> Anyone reccomend a website for getting started with STM32/GCC?
2016-02-21T03:20:19 < daniels2n> I've got Cygwin/GCC installed and should be able to build a functional project
2016-02-21T03:20:57 < daniels2n> I'm more curious about integrating standard header files, perhaps STM's open libraries into a basic starter project for an STM32 discovery board
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2016-02-21T03:53:44 < Laurenceb_> god emperor confirmed
2016-02-21T04:07:37 < bilboquet_> daniels2n, i know http://www.carminenoviello.com/en/ & https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples
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2016-02-21T04:08:42 < bilboquet_> first one link use Cube and second is Libopencm3
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2016-02-21T04:14:24 < daniels2n> Thank you
2016-02-21T04:17:30 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-02-21T04:18:38 < dongs> englishman: $499
2016-02-21T04:19:40 < dongs> aandrew: .. 40mhz wat
2016-02-21T04:24:53 < aandrew> 75 but AFE does 200
2016-02-21T04:24:58 < aandrew> it's a shit scope but it's priced ok
2016-02-21T04:29:49 < Laurenceb_> dongs how do you like your god emperor?
2016-02-21T04:31:08 < englishman> finally a profitable tesla, amirite
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2016-02-21T08:55:14 < crt> where is dong
2016-02-21T08:55:39 < dongs> blogging
2016-02-21T08:55:48 < crt> i was going to ask if you were a weeaboo
2016-02-21T08:55:52 < crt> also where is your blog
2016-02-21T08:56:03 < ReadError> crt r u a pumper
2016-02-21T08:56:07 < crt> yeah
2016-02-21T08:56:18 < crt> i'm world famous brother.
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2016-02-21T08:58:25 < crt> anyone got the limits for en 55015
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2016-02-21T09:01:12 < crt> iirc 74dBuv for control terminals 150khz - 500khz
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2016-02-21T09:12:26 < crt> dongs, are you still there mate?
2016-02-21T09:15:50 < dongs> look, can you pump elsewehre
2016-02-21T09:16:17 < crt> http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irf9z24n.pdf
2016-02-21T09:16:21 < crt> do you like that one?
2016-02-21T09:23:00 < dongs> doesnt look very interesting or special
2016-02-21T09:23:04 < dongs> is the 60V part intersting?
2016-02-21T09:23:11 < crt> yeah
2016-02-21T09:23:16 < crt> need a good 60v pfet
2016-02-21T09:23:27 < crt> logic level unlike that one
2016-02-21T09:32:32 < Peter_M> crtb why do you need a logic level PFET?
2016-02-21T09:32:40 < Peter_M> crt eveb
2016-02-21T09:32:42 < Peter_M> ewven
2016-02-21T09:32:45 < Peter_M> even fuck
2016-02-21T09:32:50 < dongs> ^ stoned
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2016-02-21T09:33:13 < Peter_M> 420 graze it
2016-02-21T09:33:28 < crt> buck ic with external switch
2016-02-21T09:33:43 < Peter_M> erm...
2016-02-21T09:33:55 < crt> yes peter
2016-02-21T09:34:00 < dongs> er
2016-02-21T09:34:00 < Peter_M> you know that a pfet turns on when the gate goes low right?
2016-02-21T09:34:06 < crt> the one with the internal get has rds(on) on .7r
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2016-02-21T09:34:14 < crt> *fet
2016-02-21T09:34:19 < Peter_M> so if your input to your buck is like 12v, and oyu pull to ground you have liek 12v of gate drive
2016-02-21T09:34:37 < crt> input is 50volts mate
2016-02-21T09:34:57 < Peter_M> so you have 50v of gate drive + a clamp to limit that to like 10v
2016-02-21T09:35:09 < Peter_M> explain to me why that needs a logic level fet
2016-02-21T09:35:26 < crt> you have a point
2016-02-21T09:35:37 < crt> but i just want minimal parts count + let the IC do its business
2016-02-21T09:36:02 < crt> it has all the high side current sense and whatnot
2016-02-21T09:36:15 < Peter_M> what is the swithcing controller oyu intend to use?
2016-02-21T09:36:23 < crt> lm3409
2016-02-21T09:36:28 < crt> x 48
2016-02-21T09:36:47 < dongs> 48 of them on one board?
2016-02-21T09:36:52 < crt> yes
2016-02-21T09:36:56 < dongs> sounds pro
2016-02-21T09:37:02 < dongs> is that some PoE trash
2016-02-21T09:37:07 < crt> no way man
2016-02-21T09:37:16 < crt> just non 'point of load' LED drive
2016-02-21T09:37:22 < crt> which apparently some dumb fucks actually want
2016-02-21T09:39:23 < Peter_M> that fet will do fine for the lm3409, nto that i would recommend either of them.
2016-02-21T09:39:34 < crt> i hate it all
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2016-02-21T09:39:51 < crt> i recommend they jump off a cliff
2016-02-21T09:40:19 < crt> i hear  the same shit 'oh but these guys are doing it'
2016-02-21T09:41:30 < crt> they'd get steamrolled by cispr15
2016-02-21T09:43:39 < Peter_M> crt look into http://rohmfs.rohm.com/en/products/databook/datasheet/ic/power/switching_regulator/bd9611muv-e.pdf
2016-02-21T09:43:58 < crt> thanks Peter_M
2016-02-21T09:44:14 < dongs> why so shit freuqnecy
2016-02-21T09:44:54 < Peter_M> b ecause synchronous
2016-02-21T09:45:19 < crt> >500kHz scares me
2016-02-21T09:45:43 < dongs> i want wide Vin, 2MHz, tiny
2016-02-21T09:45:45 < Peter_M> 500khz is pretty hasty for >50v
2016-02-21T09:45:52 < dongs> both coil and part
2016-02-21T09:46:02 < dongs> i got some spam from TI
2016-02-21T09:46:06 < dongs> for a 2.1MHz automotive part
2016-02-21T09:46:09 < dongs> but its liek $6/chip
2016-02-21T09:46:11 < dongs> cuz automotive
2016-02-21T09:46:13 < crt> uggh
2016-02-21T09:46:21 < Peter_M> chip i linked is $2 or something in 1 off
2016-02-21T09:46:29 < crt> yeah
2016-02-21T09:46:30 < dongs> ya but external fet
2016-02-21T09:46:37 < Peter_M> but no external diode
2016-02-21T09:46:43 < dongs> almost as bad!
2016-02-21T09:47:00 < Peter_M> nah because then you dont have to worry abotu  keeping diode cool at >1A
2016-02-21T09:47:40 < crt> hysteretic current mode control is what i'm really after
2016-02-21T09:49:15 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9hAP106sSg
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2016-02-21T11:17:38 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Datalogging-with-Raspberry/ jpb 4 zyp
2016-02-21T11:21:07 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Atmega-micro-controller-codes/
2016-02-21T11:21:09 < dongs> err, no
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2016-02-21T15:37:58 < kakimir> hello sensuals
2016-02-21T15:41:00 < kakimir> fucken freelancer shiet
2016-02-21T15:41:18 < kakimir> spam of projects flood in email twice a day
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2016-02-21T16:13:54 < dongs> eh
2016-02-21T16:13:58 < dongs> they never email me anytyhintg
2016-02-21T16:14:02 < dongs> maybe cuz i didnt ask for it??
2016-02-21T16:15:53 < kakimir> hmm
2016-02-21T16:16:04 < kakimir> also some freelance propaganda
2016-02-21T16:16:10 < kakimir> I unsubscribed that shit
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2016-02-21T16:16:27 < kakimir> dongs: tell me about altidongs
2016-02-21T16:16:32 < dongs> what about it
2016-02-21T16:16:57 < dongs> i thoguht you're a hardcore kikecad pro
2016-02-21T16:18:32 < Laurenceb_> cant stump the trump
2016-02-21T16:18:40 < Laurenceb_> cant mossad the assad
2016-02-21T16:20:20 < ReadError> i need to update mine
2016-02-21T16:20:32 < kakimir> how good it is?
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2016-02-21T16:20:54 < ReadError> a lot better than kikad for sure
2016-02-21T16:21:26 < ReadError> only diddled with kikad for about 10 mins total but it was miserable the entire time
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2016-02-21T16:25:32 < Sync> kek
2016-02-21T16:26:00 < ReadError> learning curve is a bit high but not bad
2016-02-21T16:26:13 < ReadError> its like solidworks though
2016-02-21T16:26:21 < ReadError> lots of stuff just makes sense
2016-02-21T16:29:08 < kakimir> kikecad lacks that finish to it
2016-02-21T16:29:14 < Laurenceb_> FreeCAD ftw
2016-02-21T16:29:21 < ReadError> Laurenceb_ gtfo
2016-02-21T16:29:21 < kakimir> devs don't want to break it
2016-02-21T16:29:31 < kakimir> or don't generally care
2016-02-21T16:29:34 < Laurenceb_> whats up with FreeCAD?
2016-02-21T16:29:36 < ReadError> once you learn the hotkeys you can do things very fastly
2016-02-21T16:30:06 < dongs> just ask R2COM about orcad
2016-02-21T16:30:08 < dongs> and hoiw awesome it is
2016-02-21T16:30:11 < ReadError> you cant remap keys tho which is kinda gay
2016-02-21T16:30:22 < Laurenceb_> orc-cad
2016-02-21T16:30:55 < Laurenceb_> I only ever use FreeCAD, covers all my needs
2016-02-21T16:32:02 < Laurenceb_> lulwut who cares about key remap
2016-02-21T16:32:22 < ReadError> altium
2016-02-21T16:32:47 < Sync> pls Laurenceb_
2016-02-21T16:32:48 < Sync> pls.
2016-02-21T16:32:56 < Sync> how can you use that segfault fest
2016-02-21T16:33:06 < Laurenceb_> lol thats funny
2016-02-21T16:33:16 < Laurenceb_> cuz my laptop just segfaulted
2016-02-21T16:33:19 < Sync> rekt
2016-02-21T16:33:29 < Laurenceb_> but that was firefox
2016-02-21T16:33:37 < Laurenceb_> latest FreeCAD is very stable
2016-02-21T16:34:10 < Laurenceb_> obviously
2016-02-21T16:35:35 < englishman> altium is buggy slow windows garbage from 1997
2016-02-21T16:35:45 < englishman> but orcad is buggy slow lunix garbage from 1994
2016-02-21T16:35:48 < englishman> choose your poison
2016-02-21T16:35:50 < Laurenceb_> lol
2016-02-21T16:36:29 < kakimir> kicad is fresh shit
2016-02-21T16:36:43 < kakimir> never crashed once
2016-02-21T16:36:53 < Laurenceb_> wait are we talking about pcb or general cad
2016-02-21T16:36:57 < Laurenceb_> im confused
2016-02-21T16:37:21 < englishman> mspaint.exe is all the CAD you need
2016-02-21T16:37:41 < ReadError> Laurenceb_ are you not l33t enough for openscad?
2016-02-21T16:37:55 < Laurenceb_> openscad is annoying
2016-02-21T16:38:08 < Laurenceb_> FreeCAD allows python api or GUI
2016-02-21T16:38:24 < Laurenceb_> you can mix and match or write your own macro extensions for parametric parts
2016-02-21T16:38:52 < ReadError> sounds useless
2016-02-21T16:39:10 < Laurenceb_> e.g. I wrote something to create blended wings using loadable airfoil files
2016-02-21T16:40:27 < Laurenceb_> FreeCAD is just opencascade with a python wrapper and GUI
2016-02-21T16:40:33 < Laurenceb_> so anything opencascade can do it can do
2016-02-21T16:41:04 < Laurenceb_> http://www.opencascade.com/content/overview
2016-02-21T16:41:21 < ReadError> ill stick to my illegal copy of solidworks, thank you very much
2016-02-21T16:41:41 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-02-21T16:42:00 < Sync> opencascade in the end is pretty pro
2016-02-21T16:42:41 < zyp> Laurenceb_, oh, neat
2016-02-21T16:43:13 < zyp> I used freecad a few weeks ago, was surprised how well it worked for something named free*
2016-02-21T16:45:51 < BrainDamage> speaking of sauce: http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2994
2016-02-21T16:48:56 < Laurenceb_> FEM on 0.16 looks nice http://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/images/thumb/4/46/Multiple_material.jpg/700px-Multiple_material.jpg
2016-02-21T16:50:27 < Sync> yeah the oce solver is not too shitty
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2016-02-21T17:04:49 < ReadError> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAA8X3SD7053&nm_mc=EMC-MP022116&cm_mmc=EMC-MP022116-_-EMC-022116-Index-_-index-_-9SIAA8X3SD7053
2016-02-21T17:05:01 < ReadError> confused what this thing in the middle is for
2016-02-21T17:05:35 < kakimir> it's a saddle
2016-02-21T17:05:35 < dongs> placing your dick on
2016-02-21T17:05:37 < Sync> for your knees to crimp on
2016-02-21T17:05:45 < kakimir> halved one
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2016-02-21T17:34:37 < kakimir> innovate
2016-02-21T17:35:37 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNGQxMklrWHNTYW8/view?usp=sharing there is innovation
2016-02-21T17:36:24 < kakimir> for VDIVs for optimizin value
2016-02-21T17:36:38 < Steffanx> SMA not included.
2016-02-21T17:36:50 < kakimir> I need to redraw sma
2016-02-21T17:37:12 < kakimir> it's holes do not match my chinasma
2016-02-21T17:37:58 < kakimir> I need to name this phenomena as "SMA envy"
2016-02-21T17:38:41 < kakimir> described as "envyous whining of excess use of sma connectors"
2016-02-21T17:38:48 < Steffanx> i call it a fetish
2016-02-21T17:39:04 < kakimir> yes well that in my case is
2016-02-21T17:39:38 < kakimir> I may even leave SMAs out of this project if those get on way of size limitations
2016-02-21T17:40:07  * Laurenceb_ is investigating µSD card busy periods
2016-02-21T17:40:28 < Laurenceb_> it seems if I keep writes to <3kB then I only ever just short (<50ms) waits
2016-02-21T17:40:40 < Laurenceb_> for ~15kB or so I can get up to 200ms or so
2016-02-21T17:40:45 < BrainDamage> sma envy? what's next? cisma, smaists, and transma?
2016-02-21T17:41:06 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-02-21T17:41:31 < Laurenceb_> seems like I can get away with less buffering if I have lots of small writes
2016-02-21T17:41:44 < Laurenceb_> I wonder if cards have a few k of internal buffering
2016-02-21T17:42:43 < Laurenceb_> ubuntu drive test thing says <50ms wait periods with the same card
2016-02-21T17:43:23 < Laurenceb_> or "seek time" lul
2016-02-21T17:44:16 < BrainDamage> the mechanical head has to move across the sd blocks?
2016-02-21T17:44:34 < BrainDamage> the muxes and the bitlines precharging taking 50ms sounds a bit large
2016-02-21T17:45:18 < Laurenceb_> thats cuz its due to the wear leveller
2016-02-21T17:46:35 < Laurenceb_> thats the whole reason µSD card timing is annoying
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2016-02-21T17:48:41 < Laurenceb_> sometimes you get nasty write amplification
2016-02-21T17:50:46 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/985136919/arcaboard jadew proj spotted
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2016-02-21T17:56:57 < Laurenceb_> hahah arca space
2016-02-21T17:57:58 < Laurenceb_> waiting for firmware glitch that takes him up to 1km altitude then turns off
2016-02-21T17:58:35 < dongs> max speed: 20kmh
2016-02-21T17:58:40 < dongs> max endurange: 6minutes
2016-02-21T17:58:46 < dongs> time to recharge: 6 hours
2016-02-21T17:58:58 < dongs> hover for 6 minutes, jerk off for 6 hours
2016-02-21T17:59:20 < Laurenceb_> apparently it has active control loops using IR for altitude
2016-02-21T17:59:23 < Laurenceb_> zano style
2016-02-21T17:59:29 < dongs> laff
2016-02-21T17:59:46 < Laurenceb_> do you trust their firmware not to take you to 1km and dump you off the side
2016-02-21T18:00:28 < Laurenceb_> it already looks like its oscillating a bit
2016-02-21T18:00:31 < dongs> http://www.arcaspace.com/images/Airstrato/Photo_AS_Explorer_1.jpg
2016-02-21T18:00:32 < dongs> wtf
2016-02-21T18:00:42 < Laurenceb_> waiting for NaN, NaN, NaN
2016-02-21T18:01:09 < Laurenceb_> or altitude=-NaN
2016-02-21T18:01:27 < Laurenceb_> I mean Inf
2016-02-21T18:01:45 < karlp> whee, got ethernet wired into my desktop fianlly : http://beta.speedtest.net/result/5105128026
2016-02-21T18:01:47 < kakimir> hah
2016-02-21T18:01:50 < karlp> no more shitty wifi
2016-02-21T18:01:50 < kakimir> that is aluminium
2016-02-21T18:02:05 < kakimir> where is the future shiet
2016-02-21T18:02:38 < kakimir> at least wing looks alminium
2016-02-21T18:02:48 < dongs> cuz rivegts?
2016-02-21T18:02:52 < dongs> -g
2016-02-21T18:02:57 < kakimir> ye
2016-02-21T18:02:59 < dongs> video sdoesnt show them landing ever
2016-02-21T18:03:19 < dongs> honestly it looks kinda wobbly
2016-02-21T18:03:22 < kakimir> nowdays it's some industrial glue instead
2016-02-21T18:03:26 < kakimir> of rivets
2016-02-21T18:03:54 < kakimir> something you need to have fresh air mask with when applied
2016-02-21T18:04:12 < kakimir> makes stronger bond than rivets
2016-02-21T18:05:05 < Laurenceb_> actually I wonder if there is another failure mode
2016-02-21T18:05:05 < kakimir> rivets require holes and there is fatique when it lives
2016-02-21T18:05:19 < Laurenceb_> if it takes off in an arc and accelerates at 1G the whole time
2016-02-21T18:05:40 < Laurenceb_> then it could smack you head first into the tarmac at really high speed
2016-02-21T18:05:58 < Laurenceb_> waiting for liveleak videos
2016-02-21T18:06:29 < ReadError> that thing has to be pulling some sick amount of current
2016-02-21T18:06:33 < ReadError> if its even real
2016-02-21T18:06:35 < kakimir> I wonder how many minutes that hoverboard flies
2016-02-21T18:06:41 < Laurenceb_> the numbers make sense
2016-02-21T18:06:49 < ReadError> 3-6 minutes kackmirror
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2016-02-21T18:07:04 < Laurenceb_> its real, but just as dangerous as a n00b VTOL aircraft
2016-02-21T18:07:21 < Laurenceb_> the fact is ~30cm off the ground doesnt make it much safer
2016-02-21T18:07:24 < ReadError> probably pulling 1000amps
2016-02-21T18:07:41 < kakimir> what a box of turd
2016-02-21T18:07:41 < ReadError> oh
2016-02-21T18:07:45 < ReadError> 203,000 watts
2016-02-21T18:07:46 < ReadError> 38v
2016-02-21T18:08:01 < kakimir> they don't obiviously know that small fan is bad fan
2016-02-21T18:08:43 < Laurenceb_> still better than F-35
2016-02-21T18:08:47 < kakimir> better have few big ones
2016-02-21T18:08:48 < kakimir> yes
2016-02-21T18:08:49 < Laurenceb_> that uses >100MW
2016-02-21T18:09:02 < ReadError> 5342 amps
2016-02-21T18:09:03 < ReadError> lol
2016-02-21T18:09:58 < BrainDamage> so you're sitting above 60MJ of not very stable lithium chemistry
2016-02-21T18:10:38 < BrainDamage> crashes should be spectacular
2016-02-21T18:11:10 < Laurenceb_> I predict fly aways first
2016-02-21T18:12:12 < Laurenceb_> I guess it could be good for launching wingsuits
2016-02-21T18:14:14 < BrainDamage> clearly if you pilot one of those you're not very concerned about personal safety, so, why bother?
2016-02-21T18:16:35 < Laurenceb_> I'm just surprised ARCA have actually built something
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2016-02-21T18:22:35 < dongs> https://imgur.com/1Mg0FVf
2016-02-21T18:24:02 < Steffanx> lol @ top comment
2016-02-21T18:26:11 < ReadError> I don't think we should be celebrating something that ruined millions of people's lives. The swastika is kinda offensive too.
2016-02-21T18:26:15 < ReadError> lol
2016-02-21T18:28:42 < Laurenceb_> http://www.gyroscope.com/d.asp?product=SOLARMOTOR4
2016-02-21T18:40:16 < Laurenceb_> found dongs  https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1455994268409.jpg
2016-02-21T18:52:25 < aandrew> I've seen electrostatic motors like that before. they work because they have zero load
2016-02-21T18:53:00 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: haha
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2016-02-21T19:11:11 < Laurenceb_> I wonder if the arca board could be used as a cool execution method
2016-02-21T19:11:35 < Laurenceb_> like a human catapult
2016-02-21T19:14:27 < upgrdman> this kills the dongs. nsfw http://i.imgur.com/mRPBUdU.gifv
2016-02-21T19:15:22 < upgrdman> haha
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2016-02-21T19:18:16 < kakimir> how you end up like that-+
2016-02-21T19:18:18 < ReadError> i wonder the state of mind someones gotta be in to think "hey i should do this, film it, and put it on the internet"
2016-02-21T19:21:06 < upgrdman> R2COM, lolol  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt3WUtq9kIs
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2016-02-21T19:27:12 < Steffanx> and then someone shares in there ReadError.. thats the worst thing of it all.
2016-02-21T19:27:33 < upgrdman> there = here?
2016-02-21T19:29:48 < Steffanx> yes
2016-02-21T19:30:09 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/a/NAwz2
2016-02-21T19:38:21 < Laurenceb_> expecting bdsm pain Olympics
2016-02-21T19:40:20 < Laurenceb_>  ##nsfw32
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2016-02-21T19:41:05 < Steffanx> it became that after you joined #stm32 Laurenceb_  ;)
2016-02-21T19:42:30 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: come back once you have watched one man one icepick
2016-02-21T19:42:56  * upgrdman adds to his todo listg
2016-02-21T19:52:07 < upgrdman> request denied
2016-02-21T19:53:20 < ReadError> upgrdman for fine pitch shit, do you use 0.5oz for etchin ?
2016-02-21T19:53:33 < upgrdman> 0.5oz copper?
2016-02-21T19:53:39 < ReadError> ya
2016-02-21T19:53:41 < upgrdman> no
2016-02-21T19:53:43 < upgrdman> always 1oz
2016-02-21T19:54:01 < upgrdman> alwasy 1oz copper, 1/16" fr4
2016-02-21T19:54:11 < ReadError> did my 1st w/ the laminate photoresist
2016-02-21T19:54:14 < ReadError> works great
2016-02-21T19:54:21 < upgrdman> cool, pic?
2016-02-21T19:54:22 < ReadError> better than the mg predone boards
2016-02-21T19:54:42 < ReadError> i think the resist holds up better
2016-02-21T19:54:48 < ReadError> about to do a few more will get pics
2016-02-21T19:54:53 < upgrdman> ? i use mg presen. boards... 10/10 is easy, 6/6 is doable if you're super careful
2016-02-21T19:55:10 < ReadError> idk, i was having some crazy issues with them the other day
2016-02-21T19:55:24 < ReadError> pitting and overetching
2016-02-21T19:55:41 < upgrdman> ok
2016-02-21T19:55:43 < ReadError> on ferric and the h2o2/hcl
2016-02-21T19:55:51 < ReadError> i think they may have been old or something
2016-02-21T19:55:53 < upgrdman> well what laminate are you liking?
2016-02-21T19:56:08 < ReadError> the stuff from that guy in cali
2016-02-21T19:56:13 < ReadError> that has the mask
2016-02-21T19:56:13 < upgrdman> link
2016-02-21T19:56:16 < Laurenceb_> h2o2 inb4 snackbaring
2016-02-21T19:56:39 < Laurenceb_> I was looking on uni "good in" system last week
2016-02-21T19:56:40 < ReadError> http://www.ebay.com/itm/151896614606?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
2016-02-21T19:56:42 < Laurenceb_> *goods
2016-02-21T19:56:56 < ReadError> oh wtf
2016-02-21T19:57:01 < ReadError> that cack stopped selling it
2016-02-21T19:57:04 < Laurenceb_> "Item: 20l 90% H2O2 Receiver: Muhammad"
2016-02-21T19:57:16 < ReadError> oh maybe he still does
2016-02-21T19:57:21 < ReadError> if you click see other items it doesnt show
2016-02-21T19:57:57 < ReadError> maybe not, cant buy
2016-02-21T19:58:21 < upgrdman> i might give it a shot if i ever use up my last 2 presen boards
2016-02-21T19:59:09 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/NFinaiK
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2016-02-21T20:07:30 < kakimir> I wonder if I should use some JST connector instead of pin_strip
2016-02-21T20:07:49 < ReadError> cant use SMAs?
2016-02-21T20:08:00 < kakimir> I run out out space
2016-02-21T20:08:40 < ReadError> MCX
2016-02-21T20:08:43 < ReadError> u.fl
2016-02-21T20:09:26 < kakimir> only purpose of these connectors are to connect actual connectors to board
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2016-02-21T20:12:36 < kakimir> nice pin pitches
2016-02-21T20:12:44 < kakimir> 2.00mm, 2.50mm
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2016-02-21T20:15:37 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjynYgGgKPg dope spam
2016-02-21T20:16:54 < ReadError> how many damn pcbs do you make son
2016-02-21T20:17:03 < kakimir> many
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2016-02-21T20:26:09 < bourbon> hi - using one of those generic f103c boards and can't seem to get the usb serial to show up
2016-02-21T20:26:31 < bourbon> using the stm32duino - it used to show up as a tty that I could listen to on screen, but it's not there now
2016-02-21T20:26:35 < bourbon> I'm on mac os x
2016-02-21T20:26:48 < bourbon> been trying to just use the onboard usb port
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2016-02-21T20:33:15 < Laurenceb_> hmm it works for me
2016-02-21T20:33:28 < Laurenceb_> before i deleted it and flashed it with something actually useful
2016-02-21T20:33:40 < Laurenceb_> mac os x should just work i think... but I'm no macfag
2016-02-21T20:36:07 < tecdroid_> hum.. whats the smallest footprint of a 180mhz stm32?
2016-02-21T20:37:42 < Steffanx> non-bga?
2016-02-21T20:38:32 < tecdroid_> would be better
2016-02-21T20:38:41 < Steffanx> then it would be lqfp64
2016-02-21T20:38:49 < tecdroid_> but as long as hot air can solder it..
2016-02-21T20:41:38 < tecdroid_> which one is this?
2016-02-21T20:44:47 < Steffanx> f446r something
2016-02-21T21:00:15 < tecdroid_> nice
2016-02-21T21:11:52 < Steffanx> https://youtu.be/ofNN1b7xzFw?t=1m16s .. Laurenceb_ 40 years from now.
2016-02-21T21:14:05 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39004.msg1494051#msg1494051
2016-02-21T21:14:16 < Laurenceb_> lol that should be his signature
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2016-02-21T21:46:08 < upgrdman> whats the blue shit around all of the vias on this pcb? http://i.imgur.com/8N6pV1y.jpg
2016-02-21T21:46:36 < jpa-> ubertented vias?
2016-02-21T21:47:04 < upgrdman> they dont look tented though
2016-02-21T21:47:10 < jpa-> double fail
2016-02-21T21:48:21 < Steffanx> something went wrong w ith the braun wires ..
2016-02-21T21:48:44 < Steffanx> *brown
2016-02-21T21:48:57 < Steffanx> ( braun is german.. oops )
2016-02-21T21:48:59 < upgrdman> looks like an iron touched them
2016-02-21T21:49:16 < upgrdman> (this is NOT my pcb or photo)
2016-02-21T21:49:32 < Steffanx> oh, ok
2016-02-21T21:52:33 < upgrdman> but ya, those blue rings around the vias as weird as fuck
2016-02-21T21:52:54 < upgrdman> hmm, looking at the glare part of the photo, maybe they are tented
2016-02-21T21:52:55 < upgrdman> but
2016-02-21T21:53:01 < upgrdman> still wonder about the blue
2016-02-21T21:53:25 < Flecks> UV cureable glue ?
2016-02-21T21:53:36 < upgrdman> but why?
2016-02-21T22:01:55 < Flecks> bad guess - they fill vias cause using vacuum to pick/place pcbs, and that's just to make fillings look normal :D
2016-02-21T22:02:09 < Flecks> normal - meaning - nice and round :D
2016-02-21T22:09:34 < Laurenceb_> interesting
2016-02-21T22:09:43 < Laurenceb_> they have flooded some of the vias with solder
2016-02-21T22:09:44 < Sync> upgrdman: because japan
2016-02-21T22:09:55 < Laurenceb_> I'm guessing the blue stuff stops them flooding
2016-02-21T22:10:13 < Laurenceb_> they must have a slightly odd solder stop layer that doesnt normally fill the vias
2016-02-21T22:10:36 < Laurenceb_> look to left of R142
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2016-02-21T22:11:43 < Sync> hm yeah
2016-02-21T22:12:08 < Sync> they are probably to save solder in the wave
2016-02-21T22:17:26 < upgrdman> those "flooded vias" look more like testpoints to me
2016-02-21T22:18:07 < upgrdman> for bed-of-dildos testing
2016-02-21T22:19:29 < Laurenceb_> http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/oppositional-defiant-disorder/basics/symptoms/con-20024559
2016-02-21T22:19:31 < Laurenceb_> lol odd
2016-02-21T22:21:08 < Steffanx> How on earth you find stuff like that Laurenceb_?
2016-02-21T22:21:48 < Steffanx> Unless you like and research all kinds of disorders of course ( which  is probably the case )
2016-02-21T22:23:07 < Laurenceb_> yeah I aim to diagnose everyone on IRC
2016-02-21T22:24:14 < Steffanx> Interesting, are you going to do one-on-one conversations to?
2016-02-21T22:24:22 < Steffanx> too*
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2016-02-21T22:28:13 < Laurenceb_> well maybe but I'll avoid this guy http://www.reaxxion.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/OnNb4n81.jpg
2016-02-21T22:29:57 < Laurenceb_> lol there is an entire wiki devoted to this guy
2016-02-21T22:30:08 < ReadError> on ED?
2016-02-21T22:30:16 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-02-21T22:30:20 < ReadError> linkme
2016-02-21T22:30:32 < Laurenceb_> obviously, where else
2016-02-21T22:30:40 < ReadError> maybe real wiki, idk
2016-02-21T22:30:41 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Chris-chan
2016-02-21T22:30:59 < Steffanx> -_- that wiki.
2016-02-21T22:31:10 < Laurenceb_> ED is best wiki
2016-02-21T22:31:19 < Steffanx> im going to devote a page to you
2016-02-21T22:31:54 < Laurenceb_> it will be very boring in comparison
2016-02-21T22:32:15 < Steffanx> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Category:Aspies that category would fit :P
2016-02-21T22:33:25 < Steffanx> How are you today Laurenceb_?
2016-02-21T22:33:51 < Laurenceb_> bored obviously
2016-02-21T22:34:55 < Steffanx> You could get yourself into this category: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Category:Christianity
2016-02-21T22:35:01 < Steffanx> would help you get through sundays
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2016-02-21T22:54:54 < Steffanx> but i dont think odin has a category on ed.se yet R2COM
2016-02-21T22:57:31 < Steffanx> they never visited russian land R2COM? Or was russian territory to cold for the vikings.
2016-02-21T22:57:45 < Steffanx> ( dont know much russian history )
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2016-02-21T23:06:59 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: nice selfie
2016-02-21T23:10:46 < zyp> sup?
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2016-02-21T23:14:15 < kakimir> russian overlords are viking bloodline?
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2016-02-21T23:22:50 < kakimir> fuckken winterland
2016-02-21T23:23:32 < kakimir> you cant even hate it because you are stuck with it
2016-02-21T23:26:22 < kakimir> :D
2016-02-21T23:26:36 < kakimir> if I look rich
2016-02-21T23:28:05 < kakimir> how do you know?
2016-02-21T23:32:39 < kakimir> I think
2016-02-21T23:33:05 < kakimir> in brazil they are all after the rich man like in telenovelas
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2016-02-21T23:37:19 < Steffanx> in finland they still do arranged marriages
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2016-02-21T23:39:53 < kakimir> to neighbor
2016-02-21T23:42:00 < kakimir> sucks ass
2016-02-21T23:43:03 < kakimir> kinda
2016-02-21T23:44:25 < kakimir> pimping is just discusting
2016-02-21T23:44:48 < kakimir> disgusting yes
2016-02-21T23:45:01 < kakimir> and that trying to force some pairs
2016-02-21T23:46:28 < kakimir> see that madness in the eyes as they engineer some collision
2016-02-21T23:47:53 < kakimir> I mean I have not seen it just once.. there are like this type of person that has fetish on relationship engineering
2016-02-21T23:49:20 < kakimir> ideally yes
2016-02-21T23:49:56 < kakimir> but there is more to gain
2016-02-21T23:50:33 < ReadError> upgrdman, http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-gvSJJLW/0/X2/CA_02211616490517-X2.jpg
2016-02-21T23:50:39 < ReadError> black laminate
2016-02-21T23:50:54 < upgrdman> black
2016-02-21T23:50:56 < upgrdman> wtf
2016-02-21T23:51:01 < upgrdman> shouldnt it be blue?
2016-02-21T23:51:16 < upgrdman> that looks like toner transfer
2016-02-21T23:51:22 < ReadError> nah its black pcb
2016-02-21T23:51:26 < ReadError> looks cool
2016-02-21T23:52:09 < ReadError> its already been etched
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2016-02-22T00:06:04 < Laurenceb_> well I'm no viking, I'm Irish/Danish
2016-02-22T00:06:06 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Ireland
2016-02-22T00:06:13 < Laurenceb_> top right == accurate
2016-02-22T00:07:21 < Laurenceb_> the people of Ireland, known as Micks, Paddies, and White Niggers
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2016-02-22T00:18:02 < kakimir> when you go again in war with them?
2016-02-22T00:19:14 < kakimir> are you of superior english race Laurenceb_ +
2016-02-22T00:19:52 < Laurenceb_> wut no, I'm no Übermensch
2016-02-22T00:26:39 < Laurenceb_> R2COM is on the vodka again
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2016-02-22T00:29:06 < kakimir> russian mentality..
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2016-02-22T00:32:54 < Laurenceb_> I met Assad once, when I was about 5
2016-02-22T00:33:05 < Laurenceb_> pretty cool guy, we played football
2016-02-22T00:33:20 < kakimir> Assad who?
2016-02-22T00:33:47 < Laurenceb_> Bashar Al Assad
2016-02-22T00:33:57 < Laurenceb_> when he worked in UK
2016-02-22T00:38:19 < Laurenceb_> heh I agree with R2COM
2016-02-22T00:38:27 < Laurenceb_>  (on Assad)
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2016-02-22T00:41:44 < kakimir> swim to sweden
2016-02-22T00:43:16 < Steffanx> Why not? All the money of europe is there
2016-02-22T00:43:25 < kakimir> all jew gold is there
2016-02-22T00:43:50 < kakimir> yes
2016-02-22T00:43:57 < Steffanx> but you do want ot have switzerland
2016-02-22T00:44:08 < zyp> Steffanx, you just want Tectu
2016-02-22T00:44:11 < kakimir> why not?
2016-02-22T00:44:30 < Steffanx> No i would deport him to somewhere else zyp
2016-02-22T00:44:51 < kakimir> are you official mouth piece of russian federation R2COM ?
2016-02-22T00:45:16 < Steffanx> They need more "mouth" than putin kakimir?
2016-02-22T00:45:36 < Steffanx> Soon yankeeland with have a big mouth too, aka trump.
2016-02-22T00:45:53 < Steffanx> Still curious how that will work out.
2016-02-22T00:46:44 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/sNbepdg.gif
2016-02-22T00:47:01 < Steffanx> pedo guy upgrdman.
2016-02-22T00:47:11 < upgrdman> lol
2016-02-22T00:47:29 < kakimir> R2COM: wher edo you get all this?
2016-02-22T00:47:38 < Steffanx> imgur.
2016-02-22T00:48:02 < Steffanx> lol
2016-02-22T00:48:14 < Steffanx> CNN often doesnt even know where those countries are.
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2016-02-22T00:49:49 < kakimir> R2COM: have you noted that german forces are also in strenght?
2016-02-22T00:49:51 < crt> good morning
2016-02-22T00:52:31 < kakimir> do you make footprint for bottom pad slightly larger than the pad itself?
2016-02-22T00:52:37 < kakimir> or
2016-02-22T00:52:47 < kakimir> just the same size?
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2016-02-22T00:55:54 < kakimir> R2COM: how about japan?
2016-02-22T00:56:10 < kakimir> they are preparing to free shit of things themself
2016-02-22T00:56:24 < kakimir> is it a concern?
2016-02-22T01:06:47 < kakimir> if they decide to bite the ass of russia?
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2016-02-22T01:15:34 < Laurenceb_> I'm more worried about the road surface
2016-02-22T01:15:36 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-14_Armata#/media/File:4mayrehearsal_09.jpg
2016-02-22T01:16:26 < kakimir> arent there rubber bits in the track?
2016-02-22T01:25:45 < kakimir> well it seems you are all set for full conflict
2016-02-22T01:26:02 < kakimir> what stops you?
2016-02-22T01:31:20 < kakimir> good to hear
2016-02-22T01:31:38 < kakimir> I thought this all was without reasoning
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2016-02-22T01:42:19 < kakimir> it's just normal to keep it up to date
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2016-02-22T02:12:15 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-02-22T02:18:33 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/laptop-printing/ ????
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2016-02-22T02:29:40 < crt> wb dongs
2016-02-22T02:30:04 < dongs> haha wtf
2016-02-22T02:30:14 < dongs> the non-audible modem guy on freelancer sent me a message
2016-02-22T02:30:18 < dongs> i didnt even bid on the shit
2016-02-22T02:30:31 < dongs> huh wait its feelancer staff
2016-02-22T02:30:33 < dongs> why is he messaging me
2016-02-22T02:33:51 < crt> you tell me
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2016-02-22T02:38:46 < aandrew> you actually try to operate on freelancer??
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2016-02-22T02:39:33 < dongs> aandrew: i didnt do anything
2016-02-22T02:39:35 < dongs> i had the page open
2016-02-22T02:39:39 < dongs> and i got a message
2016-02-22T02:39:45 < dongs> from Peter C. Freelancer Staff
2016-02-22T02:39:46 < dongs> lol
2016-02-22T02:40:21 < aandrew> lol
2016-02-22T02:40:42 < dongs> "I'm recruiter fo this project and we're looking for poeple to do it"
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2016-02-22T02:45:10 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/mGDiw2l.jpg
2016-02-22T02:45:28 < upgrdman> i need to use that graphic for my 404 pages or someshit
2016-02-22T02:45:36 < dongs> the final solution
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2016-02-22T02:49:55 < dongs> upgrdman: http://i.imgur.com/1uMSKF3.gifv fixd
2016-02-22T02:50:08 < upgrdman> nice
2016-02-22T02:51:26 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/o2qS3xT.gifv variation
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2016-02-22T02:52:59 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/CPlusPlus-Programming/Draw-PCB-layout/
2016-02-22T02:53:15 < dongs> so specific, wow
2016-02-22T02:53:27 < dongs> and yet 13 pakis bid on it
2016-02-22T02:53:35 < crt> yeah fuck freelancer
2016-02-22T02:53:52 < crt> it's completely biscuited
2016-02-22T02:57:07 < upgrdman> wtf does biscuited mean
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2016-02-22T03:00:16 < crt> fucked
2016-02-22T03:03:07 < dongs> probly some pumper slang
2016-02-22T03:04:57 < crt> hi dong
2016-02-22T03:05:09 < crt> why are you back on that site?
2016-02-22T03:05:40 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/Dx6tWmP.gifv
2016-02-22T03:05:56 < dongs> rekt
2016-02-22T03:06:26 < upgrdman> found R2COM http://i.imgur.com/icXlGOf.jpg
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2016-02-22T03:07:40 < dongs> what the fuck is even going on there
2016-02-22T03:07:51 < upgrdman> jousting
2016-02-22T03:07:54 < upgrdman> with bikes
2016-02-22T03:08:14 < upgrdman> and a little fire for good measure
2016-02-22T03:09:20 < upgrdman> wtf  https://gfycat.com/NaturalValuableAmericanbulldog
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2016-02-22T03:31:12 < Laurenceb_> robot?
2016-02-22T03:34:59 < upgrdman> i dont know, hope so
2016-02-22T03:39:23 < Laurenceb_> https://veuwer.com/i/3nge.jpg
2016-02-22T03:39:33 < Laurenceb_> looks a bit 1984
2016-02-22T03:40:45 < dongs> faggots
2016-02-22T03:40:51 < dongs> with macbooks
2016-02-22T03:42:51 < Laurenceb_> https://gfycat.com/MeagerMarriedHound
2016-02-22T03:45:15 < Laurenceb_> lul http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
2016-02-22T03:46:15 < Laurenceb_> can't stump the trump
2016-02-22T03:50:26 < dongs> does anyone even care
2016-02-22T03:59:21 < crt> no
2016-02-22T04:00:18 < crt> i hope trump gets in for my personal amusement
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2016-02-22T04:09:42 < upgrdman> lol
2016-02-22T04:10:48 < crt> is he a pumper?
2016-02-22T04:14:06 < upgrdman> pumper == wanker?
2016-02-22T04:14:32 < dongs> no
2016-02-22T04:14:37 < dongs> he's just an idiot
2016-02-22T04:14:49 < upgrdman> eevjina bro
2016-02-22T04:18:00 < crt> hey what did you buy from tequipment?
2016-02-22T04:18:23 < dongs> probly some overpriced shit
2016-02-22T04:20:55 < crt> specifically?
2016-02-22T04:21:04 < crt> rigol have like 1000 products
2016-02-22T04:23:44 < upgrdman> dp == double penetration
2016-02-22T04:23:58 < upgrdman> that's what you get when you buy a rigol psu
2016-02-22T04:24:54 < upgrdman> j/k. but they psu ui is 100% homo
2016-02-22T05:05:32 < crt> it very much matters to me
2016-02-22T05:05:40 < crt> i am australia's rigol customer
2016-02-22T05:05:55 < crt> pre-eevblog ds1052e user
2016-02-22T05:12:04 < dongs> eevbeg is irrelevant outside MAKE:R faggot circles
2016-02-22T05:12:18 < dongs> does he actually ever do/teaceh anything useful on that youtube shit of his?
2016-02-22T05:13:43 < upgrdman> not any more
2016-02-22T05:13:57 < upgrdman> just malefag mondays and some random taredowns
2016-02-22T05:14:12 < dongs> what is it now, jsut rage at vietnamese dislikes?
2016-02-22T05:14:27 < upgrdman> guess so
2016-02-22T05:14:36 < upgrdman> i dont watch much of his shit anymore
2016-02-22T05:14:58 < upgrdman> its like 90% aussie memes that he likes to repeat, opening mail, and doing half-asses taredowns
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2016-02-22T05:15:03 < dongs> oh no, FOODIES TV is closing
2016-02-22T05:15:08 < dongs> where will i get my foodblogs from now on
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2016-02-22T05:19:08 < crt> eevblog replace all the capacitors repair course
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2016-02-22T06:11:01 < upgrdman> TIL ftdi sells uart cables that use a TRS (headphone) connector.  http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/Cables/USBTTLSerial.htm
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2016-02-22T06:39:46 < englishman> crt: trump will be best prizident ever
2016-02-22T06:39:48 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/GxeYdVE.png
2016-02-22T06:50:23 < crt> okay
2016-02-22T06:50:41 < zauslande> dent, maybe
2016-02-22T06:50:47 < crt> can he give me better price breaks on components
2016-02-22T06:51:11 < zauslande> only casino chips
2016-02-22T06:51:21 < crt> what a liberal voter
2016-02-22T06:51:23 < zauslande> 74$$00
2016-02-22T06:59:34 < crt> i'll fuckin' nip him
2016-02-22T07:00:42 < crt> i like his aeroplane
2016-02-22T07:01:17 < crt> did you read about it?
2016-02-22T07:01:53 < crt> he had this aeroplane fitted with big horns and he'd just blurt out propaganda
2016-02-22T07:02:09 < zauslande> it was an internal combustion engine that ran on Josephine
2016-02-22T07:06:16 < crt> have a blast of that mate
2016-02-22T07:06:20 < englishman> quit stalin' and vote4trump
2016-02-22T07:06:31 < crt> what do i get out of it
2016-02-22T07:06:36 < englishman> freedom
2016-02-22T07:06:50 < crt> i can mostly do what i like except light black people on fire
2016-02-22T07:07:00 < englishman> ie not free
2016-02-22T07:07:12 < crt> how about the four essential freedoms?
2016-02-22T07:08:17 < crt> how rude
2016-02-22T07:08:36 < crt> my mum says i'm cool.
2016-02-22T07:08:58 < crt> i want a coffee
2016-02-22T07:09:16 < crt> well duh
2016-02-22T07:09:25 < crt> that's why i want another coffee man
2016-02-22T07:09:34 < zauslande> his beer-condoms
2016-02-22T07:09:39 < englishman> R2COM is sorry hes an illegal alien and cant vote for trump
2016-02-22T07:09:41 < crt> beerdom
2016-02-22T07:09:49 < crt> i wish i was an illegal alien
2016-02-22T07:10:13 < crt> australian citizen doesn't have the same ring to it
2016-02-22T07:10:43 < englishman> agreed -everybody
2016-02-22T07:10:53 < crt> i pay my taxes so aborigines can drink alcohol all day and beat / rape their families
2016-02-22T07:11:51 < englishman> you just described every australian
2016-02-22T07:14:33 < crt> http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~carve22r/classweb/eightwomen/siteimages/julia-gillard.jpg
2016-02-22T07:14:55 < crt> i've never slept with a girl who didn't trim or shave/wax it off completely
2016-02-22T07:15:09 < crt> you'd get the joke if you were aussie (about that picture)
2016-02-22T07:17:30 < englishman> talking about their moustaches?
2016-02-22T07:17:48 < crt> u wot m8
2016-02-22T07:18:42 < crt> i'm bored
2016-02-22T07:19:14 < crt> nah discrete semiconductors mate
2016-02-22T07:20:01 < crt> better put that kettle on
2016-02-22T07:27:53 < crt> i found a pic32 on a board so i desodered it and smashed it
2016-02-22T07:28:54 < englishman> unboxing
2016-02-22T07:29:21 < dongs> nice stm32-related discussion there bros
2016-02-22T07:29:28 < dongs> gave up scrolling up to find something useful
2016-02-22T07:30:03 < englishman> vote4trump all you need to know
2016-02-22T07:30:04 < dongs> < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/GxeYdVE.png
2016-02-22T07:30:06 < dongs> who are tehse two people
2016-02-22T07:30:24 < englishman> trump on left, random jew on right
2016-02-22T07:30:29 < dongs> why do dickheads even make images liek this but miss out the important part of who teh fuck is in the photo
2016-02-22T07:30:51 < englishman> i know from watching who wants to be an apprentice as a child
2016-02-22T07:32:23 < crt> pump it up
2016-02-22T07:33:27 < crt> later
2016-02-22T07:33:32 < dongs> im updating my innovation queue
2016-02-22T07:34:40 < crt> idk wat that is
2016-02-22T07:35:11 < crt> ok i'll be quiet
2016-02-22T07:37:54 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/PCB-layout-9725874/
2016-02-22T07:37:55 < dongs>  ???
2016-02-22T07:39:48 < crt> nice one hey
2016-02-22T07:40:25 < crt> hope it's a 2 hour job
2016-02-22T07:41:12 < dongs> you should do it for fellow ausfag
2016-02-22T07:41:18 < crt> fuck 'em
2016-02-22T07:46:34 < crt> got me own stuff to do
2016-02-22T07:46:56 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Automated-vehical-parking-system-fix/
2016-02-22T07:49:14 < crt> is there anything you're working on atm that is interesting?
2016-02-22T07:49:31 < dongs> no.
2016-02-22T07:49:39 < dongs> i need to get off my ass and finish a bunch of display/hdmi related shit
2016-02-22T07:49:49 < dongs> been kickstarting that for a whlie
2016-02-22T08:23:02 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9fb_1456103668
2016-02-22T08:31:34 < crt> the ratbox is dead again
2016-02-22T08:40:59 < crt> hp proliant more like piece of fucking shit
2016-02-22T08:43:21 < dongs> did you buy ML115 when they were liek $90
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2016-02-22T08:46:47 < crt> no some fuckwit who didn't pay a bill used it as collateral
2016-02-22T08:46:48 < crt> later
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2016-02-22T09:05:24 < upgrdman> dongs, that LL video... lol
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2016-02-22T09:30:55 < dongs> so stoned
2016-02-22T09:31:03 < dongs> upgrdman: ea lol
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2016-02-22T09:36:29 < PaulFertser> Easy to get weed in jp nowadays?
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2016-02-22T10:20:01 < crt> hello all
2016-02-22T10:26:35 < dongs> pumping? :]
2016-02-22T10:27:23 < crt> n
2016-02-22T10:27:33 < crt> you?
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2016-02-22T10:41:07 < PaulFertser> crt: show us some of your stm32 projects, come on
2016-02-22T10:42:24 < crt> only thing of late was a lighting controller which is on hold
2016-02-22T10:43:03 < PaulFertser> crt: what tools did you use?
2016-02-22T10:43:06 < crt> keil
2016-02-22T10:43:46 < PaulFertser> crt: just keil? Are you using SWO for ITM or tracing? Are you using ulink or jlink?
2016-02-22T10:44:05 < crt> i use st-link
2016-02-22T10:44:34 < PaulFertser> And st cube or whatever shit they offer now to configure peripherals?
2016-02-22T10:44:37 < crt> no no no
2016-02-22T10:44:42 < crt> fuck  that garbage
2016-02-22T10:44:57 < jpa-> i heard that even ST salesmen recommend not to use cube :D
2016-02-22T10:45:01 < crt> good
2016-02-22T10:45:30 < crt> in the near future i want  to explore the stm f0
2016-02-22T10:46:01 < PaulFertser> crt: so what do you use?
2016-02-22T10:46:19 < crt> i've used pic16 series in the past and some pic24
2016-02-22T10:46:52 < crt> nothing which would demand any real processing power
2016-02-22T10:48:18 < crt> i'm thinking of using a stm32f0 for supervisory / control stuff for my LED driver blocks
2016-02-22T10:48:48 < jpa-> sounds like one overengineered led driver
2016-02-22T10:49:20 < crt> yeah
2016-02-22T10:49:47 < crt> last one i looked at used tms320s per 4 channel board
2016-02-22T10:50:04 < PaulFertser> Well, if stm32f0 is so cheap and tools are good, why not?
2016-02-22T10:50:12 < crt> yep
2016-02-22T10:50:40 < PaulFertser> I wonder why CAN bus didn't became more widespread for small microcontroller networks.
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2016-02-22T10:50:52 < crt> never used it can't comment on that
2016-02-22T10:51:21 < PaulFertser> I think it would be kinda cool if every cheap uC would have on-board CAN so you can easily interconnect as many of them as you want.
2016-02-22T10:51:42 < crt> http://www.istl.com/force12.php?WEBYEP_EDIT=no3183
2016-02-22T10:51:57 < crt> these drivers use a tms320 per 4 outputs iirc
2016-02-22T10:52:48 < crt> operate at any fixed current over a wide voltage range
2016-02-22T10:54:53 < dongs> I made some 600W RGB drivers with DMX
2016-02-22T10:55:02 < dongs> one of htem is powering some led bars above my desk right now
2016-02-22T10:55:22 < crt> nice one
2016-02-22T10:55:33 < crt> i want to steal some led strip from sales stock
2016-02-22T10:55:46 < dongs> i just threw away a bunch of htem few weeks ago
2016-02-22T10:55:47 < crt> 24v 240 chips per metre
2016-02-22T10:55:51 < dongs> old shit that was useless
2016-02-22T10:56:00 < zyp> PaulFertser, plenty of them have
2016-02-22T10:56:03 < dongs> it was 3cm pitch i think
2016-02-22T10:56:04 < dongs> around
2016-02-22T10:56:08 < crt> okay
2016-02-22T10:56:11 < dongs> 240 per meter sounds pretty dense
2016-02-22T10:56:27 < crt> tis i got the specs at work
2016-02-22T10:58:08 < PaulFertser> zyp: well, not stm32f0 iirc?
2016-02-22T10:58:40 < jpa-> isn't f0's main selling point "has nothing"
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2016-02-22T10:58:47 < PaulFertser> Alternatively, if there was some nice common multi-master RS-485 protocol, that would be kinda ok too. Modbus is too limited :/
2016-02-22T10:59:08 < PaulFertser> I know there's some lpc "trash" that has on-board CAN.
2016-02-22T11:00:13 < crt> fun thing about this is the only competitor in AU is selling their units with absolutely no electrical safety or EMC approvals on their units
2016-02-22T11:00:21 < zyp> PaulFertser, stm32f0x1 and f0x2 have CAN
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2016-02-22T11:03:49 < PaulFertser> zyp: hm, ok, thanks. BTW, do you use any higher level CAN protocols?
2016-02-22T11:04:30 < zyp> no, I still haven't used can in a real project
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2016-02-22T11:06:19 < zyp> I've looked at some higher level protocols, but they seem rather shitty, so I'm tempted to just write my own from scratch
2016-02-22T11:06:29 < PaulFertser> I have. CanFestival is a nice enough library. But CANOpen itself is a hell of a protocol :/
2016-02-22T11:06:50 < crt> mm
2016-02-22T11:07:04 < PaulFertser> On the plus side, there're some ready-made tools and libraries for the PCs.
2016-02-22T11:07:19 < zyp> haven't heard about CanFestival
2016-02-22T11:07:32 < zyp> but canopen is awful
2016-02-22T11:07:41 < zyp> or looks awful, rather
2016-02-22T11:08:14 < PaulFertser> And after I got more experience with it I can say that CANOpen does make a lot of sense for complex systems. Its official specification makes it look over-complicated, but in the end it's tolerable IMHO.
2016-02-22T11:08:16 < zyp> oh, canfestival is just a canopen implementation?
2016-02-22T11:08:23 < PaulFertser> Yes, LGPL.
2016-02-22T11:10:16 < PaulFertser> Come on folks, share your CAN experience! :)
2016-02-22T11:11:10 < zyp> I'm thinking of just using some simple scheme to split the id field into node addr and function
2016-02-22T11:12:10 < PaulFertser> Don't you want to have something like DHCP for nodes?
2016-02-22T11:12:28 < PaulFertser> You can have that in canopen ;)
2016-02-22T11:12:40 < zyp> that would build on top of the addr/function model
2016-02-22T11:12:50 < Peter_M> do you get worms with canopen?
2016-02-22T11:12:59 < Peter_M> get it, open a can of worms
2016-02-22T11:13:12  * Peter_M laughs at his own joke a lot.
2016-02-22T11:13:29 < PaulFertser> Well, kinda, given you can edit canopen "dictionary" remotely...
2016-02-22T11:14:32 < zyp> I was considering using the first part of ID for function, and the extended part for node addr
2016-02-22T11:15:37 < zyp> IDE = 0 for unaddressed functions, like various broadcasts, IDE = 1 for addressed functions
2016-02-22T11:16:09 < zyp> RTR = 1 for request to addr, RTR = 0 for reply or broadcast from addr
2016-02-22T11:16:49 < zyp> or something like that, not sure really
2016-02-22T11:17:21 < zyp> maybe use a different bit to signify whether it's a to-addr or from-addr, incase I need to carry data as well
2016-02-22T11:20:35 < crt> i want my mosfets now
2016-02-22T11:20:37 < zyp> I'm not sure dynamic addressing is always a good idea either
2016-02-22T11:21:05 < zyp> some stuff ought to operate with static addrs
2016-02-22T11:22:15 < zyp> so I'm considering a design where unconfigured devices can be assigned a permanent addr
2016-02-22T11:26:26  * crt nods
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2016-02-22T11:33:08 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/high-quality-LCD-touch-screen-assembly-separator-split-screen-machine-youyue-948L-for-iPhone-samsung-refurbishment/32606624609.html
2016-02-22T11:33:11 < dongs> lol
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2016-02-22T11:35:11 < crt> and how did you stumble across it?
2016-02-22T11:35:45 < dongs> i get tweeted this shit all the time
2016-02-22T11:38:01 < crt> twitter is amusing at times i must say
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2016-02-22T12:10:52 < crt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIaFtAKnqBU
2016-02-22T12:13:34 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/AMA4Owo.jpg found this pic from 2003 in backups
2016-02-22T12:14:04 < crt> neat
2016-02-22T12:14:35 < crt> the old irc badasses
2016-02-22T12:15:17 < crt> dey got dem pBotz
2016-02-22T12:20:36 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/tTZX5Gp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/JPwZFZC.jpg some mobile shit expo i went in 2004
2016-02-22T12:20:40 < crt> i found a vid of my friend snorting crushed up ecstasy tabs but that was from 2005
2016-02-22T12:23:21 < Sync> kek
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2016-02-22T12:24:59 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/lAfzlNl.jpg japs engrish wasnt any better in 2005
2016-02-22T12:25:23 < crt> dunno what thats about
2016-02-22T12:25:27 < crt> wtf are you doing in jp anyway?
2016-02-22T12:26:29 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/AhXu0UX.jpg
2016-02-22T12:27:13 < crt> makes sense to me
2016-02-22T12:30:59 < crt> i want my mosfet
2016-02-22T12:31:07 < crt> but i don't want to pay $50 to get it next day
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2016-02-22T13:17:34 < crt> where is the white cat
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2016-02-22T14:03:23 < trepidacious> Just looking at Sony cameras (IMX224) and they have a really weird parallel interface, really not sure how you would connect that to an STM32F4 :(
2016-02-22T14:04:23 < zyp> DCMI?
2016-02-22T14:04:35 < zyp> or weirder?
2016-02-22T14:05:52 < zyp> hmm, looks like it has multiple modes
2016-02-22T14:06:10 < zyp> both LVDS, MIPI-CSI and some "CMOS parallel"
2016-02-22T14:06:22 < zyp> are you referring to the latter?
2016-02-22T14:09:42 < dongs> cmos parallel would be the only usable interface on it
2016-02-22T14:09:48 < dongs> you could connect it to rageberry with mipi-csi
2016-02-22T14:10:02 < dongs> or not even
2016-02-22T14:10:06 < dongs> regular rageberry only has 2 CSI lanes
2016-02-22T14:10:20 < dongs> compute module has 4, but then you'll need to make a breakout for it.
2016-02-22T14:10:52 < zyp> yeah, question is just whether DCMI would be fast enough for that parallel mode
2016-02-22T14:11:09 < dongs> 74mhz looks like
2016-02-22T14:11:16 < dongs> doesnt sound very slow
2016-02-22T14:11:59 < zyp> 1.27 Mpixels
2016-02-22T14:12:33 < zyp> hmm, that doesn't add up
2016-02-22T14:16:29 < dongs> hm?
2016-02-22T14:16:59 < dongs> Number of effective pixels1305 (H) × 977 (V) approx. 1.27M pixels
2016-02-22T14:17:01 < dongs> err wtf
2016-02-22T14:17:14 < dongs> thats a super shit sensor
2016-02-22T14:17:17 < dongs> not even zano-class
2016-02-22T14:23:56 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yN1Q86LV7c
2016-02-22T14:29:38 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cbu3bxKWEAAr6ik.jpg:large
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2016-02-22T16:02:19 < Laurenceb_> lul  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLfV-bXDFxs&app=desktop
2016-02-22T16:05:16  * Laurenceb_ takes a seat over there
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2016-02-22T17:06:23 < trepidacious> zyp: Yup I was hoping to use DCMI, but the CMOS parallel is really odd
2016-02-22T17:06:25 < Laurenceb_> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=03e_1456136648
2016-02-22T17:06:31 < dongs> whats odd about it
2016-02-22T17:07:10 < trepidacious> It has HSYNC and VSYNC but they don't actually tell you whether data is valid, they're kind of disconnected from the actual data stream
2016-02-22T17:07:21 < trepidacious> You're meant to use embedded codes in the data to find the lines
2016-02-22T17:07:36 < trepidacious> but STM32F4 DCMI only supports codes for 8-bit data
2016-02-22T17:07:50 < trepidacious> You can clock it at 54MHz though, so that bits ok
2016-02-22T17:08:00 < trepidacious> 0r even 27MHz
2016-02-22T17:08:20 < trepidacious> The sensor itself seems good, it's low res but high sensitivity
2016-02-22T17:08:21 < Laurenceb_> does it support 12 bit or something?
2016-02-22T17:08:31 < Laurenceb_> use Hsync and Vsync as extra bits?
2016-02-22T17:08:58 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/ECG-Feature-Extraction-Using-Novel/
2016-02-22T17:09:04 < dongs> finally a worthwhile proj for Laurenceb_
2016-02-22T17:09:12 < trepidacious> It does support 12 bit, but the syncs are extra lines
2016-02-22T17:09:25 < Laurenceb_> wut
2016-02-22T17:09:30 < Laurenceb_> use 10 bit per pixel
2016-02-22T17:09:39 < Laurenceb_> then bits 11 and 12 are sync lines
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2016-02-22T17:32:59 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1455357639450.png
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2016-02-22T18:02:56 < trepidacious> Laurenceb: I'm not sure what you mean... if you use 10-bit you just get 2 data lines that are held low :(
2016-02-22T18:09:16 < Laurenceb_> enable DCMI in 12 bit mode
2016-02-22T18:09:48 < Laurenceb_> connect 10 bit lines from the camera parallel output, and also the two sync lines
2016-02-22T18:11:51 < zyp> heh
2016-02-22T18:12:38 < Laurenceb_> with some logic gates you could probably work out h and v sync with a single input line to the DCMI
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2016-02-22T18:52:54 < Laurenceb_> I wonder why honeywell advise a ground plane keep out under magnetometers
2016-02-22T18:53:32 < Laurenceb_> it doesnt make a great deal of sense to me
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2016-02-22T19:09:50 < trepidacious> Laurenceb: Ah I see what you mean. I'd have to configure it to capture the whole frame somehow. Actually in that case I don't even need the syncs, I can use the embedded sync information.
2016-02-22T19:13:18 < trepidacious> just need to make it capture the whole frame, maybe use some logic to give the DCMI VSYNC and HSYNC somewhere before the start of a frame, aligned to pixel clock, then drive a GPIO to stop the "frame" when software has detected all the lines from sync codes.
2016-02-22T19:23:50 < trepidacious> Laurenceb: Thanks for that - I think that might work :)
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2016-02-22T21:36:15 < Laurenceb_> gerbmerge has trashed my gerbers
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2016-02-22T21:52:54 < MightyPork> anyone got experience with implementing things like fopen / fprintf.. in GCC? (newlib, I guess)
2016-02-22T21:53:08 < MightyPork> would like to connect stdout to debug UART or something
2016-02-22T21:57:09 < Sync> Laurenceb_: use cam350
2016-02-22T21:59:20 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-02-22T21:59:30 < Laurenceb_> gerbmerge seems to be too clever for its own good
2016-02-22T21:59:43 < Laurenceb_> its trying to simplify my traces
2016-02-22T22:00:09 < Steffanx> not enough space in the design Laurenceb_
2016-02-22T22:00:14 < Laurenceb_>  Thickening bottomsilkscreen feature dimensions ...
2016-02-22T22:00:20 < Laurenceb_> wtf I didnt ask for that
2016-02-22T22:00:42 < Laurenceb_> no wonder the silkscreen is screwed
2016-02-22T22:03:37 < Laurenceb_> ha fixed
2016-02-22T22:03:46 < Laurenceb_> thats actually quite a cool feature
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2016-02-22T22:04:20 < Laurenceb_> pity gerbmerge documentation sucks and config files are huge with tons of crazy shit
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2016-02-22T22:14:06 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: https://github.com/unwireddevices/gerbmerge
2016-02-22T22:16:07 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb_: they say they fixed some bugs etc.
2016-02-22T22:16:51 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-02-22T22:17:00 < Laurenceb_> I'll try updating it
2016-02-22T22:17:16 < Laurenceb_> Added DipTrace support
2016-02-22T22:17:19 < Laurenceb_> dongs ready
2016-02-22T22:17:36 < zyp> yeah, it's python so he's gonna love it
2016-02-22T22:17:51 < Laurenceb_> teehee
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2016-02-22T23:14:22 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39004.msg1494389#msg1494389
2016-02-22T23:14:24 < Laurenceb_> lolling
2016-02-22T23:14:33 < Laurenceb_> but emdrivers have no brains
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2016-02-22T23:33:40 < englishman> dongs https://www.facebook.com/100005970064738/videos/466396080236057/
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2016-02-23T00:04:27 < Steffanx> Lol
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2016-02-23T00:24:56 < crt> greeting
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2016-02-23T01:08:52 < Laurenceb_> http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/56cb25341e00002100702837.jpeg
2016-02-23T01:11:36 < Laurenceb_> oh hai eric
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2016-02-23T01:25:49 < crt> thefuck is that
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2016-02-23T01:26:40 < kakimir> laurence throwing some cucktalk?
2016-02-23T01:28:28 < crt> ah the cucking, neat one
2016-02-23T01:28:57 < crt> it's a good morning, i've decided to repair this drink damaged board instead of charging $300 for a new one
2016-02-23T01:31:14 < Laurenceb_> cuckchan
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2016-02-23T01:33:33 < crt> hope my fucken bits get here
2016-02-23T01:39:28 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/Lgd56w.jpg
2016-02-23T01:39:30 < Laurenceb_> accurate
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2016-02-23T01:42:02 < crt> sure thing
2016-02-23T01:47:21 < aandrew> MightyPork: I have experience doing exactly that. let me get home (1h) and I can tell you exacltly how
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2016-02-23T02:22:13 < dongs> englishman: typical activity of a DJI owner
2016-02-23T03:28:44 < crt> fuckin DJI owners
2016-02-23T03:40:36 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/73hEip4.png
2016-02-23T03:40:42 < Laurenceb_> mai waifu
2016-02-23T03:46:13 < crt> desu.
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2016-02-23T04:00:05 < upgrdman> so in some c firmware i have a string with the a version number in it. is there an easy way to store the compiled date in there, other than manually editing the string each time?
2016-02-23T04:00:19 < upgrdman> like the date the firmware is compiled
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2016-02-23T04:09:18 < Sync> upgrdman: you could do some linker script magic
2016-02-23T04:09:39 < upgrdman> im intrigued. any tips?
2016-02-23T04:09:50 < upgrdman> my .ld skills are weak sauce
2016-02-23T04:13:35 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/YCNojkq.gifv
2016-02-23T04:15:11 < emeb_mac> Selfie deaths now outnumber shark attacks.
2016-02-23T04:15:41 < upgrdman> i am pleased with that statistic
2016-02-23T04:15:58 < crt> good
2016-02-23T04:16:20 < emeb_mac> http://www.stylist.co.uk/life/selfie-deaths-are-now-more-common-than-shark-attacks-selfie-tips-advice
2016-02-23T04:16:23 < crt> how about spergers and their parkour crap
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2016-02-23T04:29:55 < dongs> huh
2016-02-23T04:29:58 < dongs> i got fedex i wasnt expecting
2016-02-23T04:30:04 < dongs> whats in it ~mystery~
2016-02-23T04:30:38 < dongs> oh haha
2016-02-23T04:30:41 < dongs> its the jewish thermalcam
2016-02-23T04:33:59 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/5CgJ2Ke.gifv
2016-02-23T04:34:56 < ds2> upgrdman: look up __DATE__ and __TIME__
2016-02-23T04:35:00 < upgrdman> 'murica   http://i.imgur.com/SEbdE6j.jpg
2016-02-23T04:35:10 < upgrdman> ds2, neat. thanks
2016-02-23T04:35:42 < upgrdman> dongs, https://49.media.tumblr.com/b9bf91b9aea0a1125021d7a6b536c0a3/tumblr_o2w42ooKXO1uz5470o1_500.gif
2016-02-23T04:43:58 < dongs> k, thermapp is a pretty toy
2016-02-23T04:44:01 < dongs> but i'm keepin my flir
2016-02-23T04:44:25 < ds2> which flir?
2016-02-23T04:44:36 < dongs> e4->e8 "upgraded"
2016-02-23T04:44:47 < ds2> what are you using it for?
2016-02-23T04:47:35 < dongs> takin pix of overheating PCBs and shit
2016-02-23T04:48:23 < ds2> isn't the lense too wide for that?
2016-02-23T04:48:25 < upgrdman> ds2, i also have an e4 that i "hacked"
2016-02-23T04:48:33 < upgrdman> this is with the stock lense:
2016-02-23T04:48:35 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/thermal_image_raspberry_pi.jpg
2016-02-23T04:48:42 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/thermal_image_oscope.jpg
2016-02-23T04:48:42 < dongs> ds2: $10 chinalaser lens + 3d dicked holder
2016-02-23T04:48:50 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/temp/thermal_image_fan.jpg
2016-02-23T04:48:51 < ds2> dongs: ah
2016-02-23T04:49:00 < upgrdman> and http://www.farrellf.com/temp/thermal_image_dinner.jpg
2016-02-23T04:49:02 < ds2> I have one too but I find the lens too wide
2016-02-23T04:49:11 < ds2> did both of you do the menu hack too?
2016-02-23T04:49:23 < upgrdman> i just did the resolution/noise hack
2016-02-23T04:49:28 < upgrdman> is the menu hack easy?
2016-02-23T04:49:30 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/bVMQYRx.jpg
2016-02-23T04:50:44 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Jq2iOJt.jpg
2016-02-23T04:50:45 < dongs> etc
2016-02-23T04:50:50 < dongs> i forgoet if I did menu hack shit
2016-02-23T04:50:58 < dongs> i didnt upgrade mine im still on like 1.19 or someshit firmware
2016-02-23T04:51:29 < ds2> it is suppose to be easy
2016-02-23T04:51:37 < ds2> thing I want is to lock the range
2016-02-23T04:51:44 < dongs> ah right
2016-02-23T04:51:48 < dongs> i thikn i have something like that in mine
2016-02-23T04:52:21 < dongs> right, i think i did it cuz
2016-02-23T04:52:28 < dongs> E4 doesn't have min/max hot cold thing
2016-02-23T04:52:30 < dongs> just center hot/cold
2016-02-23T04:52:34 < dongs> the cursor
2016-02-23T04:52:42 < ds2> yep
2016-02-23T04:52:47 < upgrdman> lol  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgsK5H1Ndaw
2016-02-23T04:54:26 < dongs> looks staged
2016-02-23T04:54:42 < upgrdman> prolly
2016-02-23T05:05:26 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/gallery/jiI1Vd7
2016-02-23T05:05:28 < ReadError> jap dogs
2016-02-23T05:06:39 < crt> completely fucked it mate
2016-02-23T05:07:05 < crt> shiba
2016-02-23T05:10:42 < englishman> upgrdman: menu hak is super easy
2016-02-23T05:10:52 < englishman> Same difficulty as res hack anyway
2016-02-23T05:10:53 < upgrdman> orly
2016-02-23T05:10:57 < upgrdman> cool
2016-02-23T05:10:57 < englishman> Lots of new modes
2016-02-23T05:11:09 < upgrdman> is it covered on the eevblog forum post?
2016-02-23T05:11:14 < upgrdman> R2COM, flir camera hack
2016-02-23T05:11:28 < crt> how do i fucken hack my fluke87 dave jones
2016-02-23T05:12:03 < upgrdman> is that the lepton-on-a-stick thermal camera?
2016-02-23T05:12:12 < upgrdman> R2COM, firmware hack
2016-02-23T05:12:21 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/GMv52x7.jpg
2016-02-23T05:12:48 < crt> those are big words for a little niglet
2016-02-23T05:14:20 < englishman> upgrdman: that's how I found out how to do it. Or googled or something. I dono. And I have an "upgraded" one.
2016-02-23T05:14:28 < upgrdman> k
2016-02-23T05:14:42 < englishman> You telnet into it or some Ethernet over USB shit
2016-02-23T05:24:31 < ReadError> <R2COM> eagle is ok soft
2016-02-23T05:24:52 < ReadError> you heard it first here
2016-02-23T05:25:13 < crt> glad i asked about the fluke meter before paying someone to hack it
2016-02-23T05:25:26 < crt> what people use eagle?
2016-02-23T05:31:01 < ReadError> you can hack fluke meters?
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2016-02-23T05:34:19 < dongs> wat fluke meter
2016-02-23T05:34:28 < crt> jk
2016-02-23T05:35:11 < crt> i heard eevblog
2016-02-23T05:35:12 < dongs> the fluike thermalcam is garbage
2016-02-23T05:35:17 < dongs> its like 32x32 resolution
2016-02-23T05:35:18 < crt> that was my cue to start
2016-02-23T05:35:30 < crt> who the fuck bothers with thermal cams
2016-02-23T05:37:30 < dongs> pros like R2COM
2016-02-23T05:41:50 < upgrdman> if you fucks were going to be without reliable internet access for a couple months, how would you prepare to occupy yourself? im stocking up on torrents, but other than that...?
2016-02-23T05:44:09 < crt> i'd buy a jbc soldering iron
2016-02-23T05:44:58 < ReadError> a wat
2016-02-23T05:45:16 < crt> o,o
2016-02-23T05:45:59 < crt> yeah, download the whole internet
2016-02-23T05:46:30 < upgrdman> my 4tb hdd is nearly full
2016-02-23T05:47:28 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/nt8zu2E.gifv wat
2016-02-23T05:47:37 < upgrdman> R2COM, nah, mostly movies, tv, some book, some music
2016-02-23T05:47:43 < upgrdman> flyback, cell phone wont help me.
2016-02-23T05:47:53 < upgrdman> im going to be shanghai'd again
2016-02-23T05:47:59 < ReadError> OMG
2016-02-23T05:48:03 < ReadError> fuck snakes
2016-02-23T05:48:12 < upgrdman> vpn helps, but packets get dropped like 100% of the time
2016-02-23T05:48:48 < upgrdman> seriously. it is WORSE than dial up.
2016-02-23T05:48:56 < upgrdman> flyback:
2016-02-23T05:48:58 < upgrdman> im going to be shanghai'd again
2016-02-23T05:49:10 < upgrdman> shanghai
2016-02-23T05:49:11 < upgrdman> china
2016-02-23T05:49:22 < ReadError> is china as much as a shithole as people say?
2016-02-23T05:49:26 < upgrdman> flyback, work.
2016-02-23T05:49:32 < upgrdman> ReadError, very
2016-02-23T05:49:50 < upgrdman> how the fuck do i find him
2016-02-23T05:50:30 < ReadError> thats not a nice word.
2016-02-23T05:51:14 < upgrdman> i support abortions through the fourth trimester /s
2016-02-23T05:53:33 < crt> you forgot to say please
2016-02-23T05:57:15 < ReadError> flyback how many efnet channels are you banned from
2016-02-23T06:04:15 < crt> mmm
2016-02-23T06:04:18 < crt> those were the days
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2016-02-23T06:18:11 < englishman> come on flyback montreal is not so bad there are like 3 hackerspaces
2016-02-23T06:19:40 < englishman> a brick will fall off a 3 storey building and hit you in the head as you are walking back from the post office with your new waifu pillow?
2016-02-23T06:31:54 < dongs> To ensure smoother user experience we decided to release a service pack for IDA v6.9.
2016-02-23T06:31:58 < dongs> To see the list of improvements please visit
2016-02-23T06:32:00 < dongs> http://www.hex-rays.com/products/ida/6.9/index.shtml#160222
2016-02-23T06:50:53 < dongs> sorry guy
2016-02-23T06:51:00 < dongs> having installed orcad 16.6 or hwaever in vmware
2016-02-23T06:51:05 < dongs> i can safely say, that soft is pure garbage
2016-02-23T06:51:36 < dongs> over 9000 icons wiht unknown purpose, a bunch of shit that doesnt make sense, i could barely figure out how to open a file there
2016-02-23T06:51:42 < dongs> i tried to scroll around a pcb
2016-02-23T06:51:46 < dongs> it fucking froze while zooming
2016-02-23T06:51:50 < dongs> and zoom/pan keys are fucked up
2016-02-23T06:52:30 < dongs> altium is one true pro soft
2016-02-23T06:52:31 < dongs> the end
2016-02-23T06:53:05 < dongs> i dont evne have half hte gaming rig that you got
2016-02-23T06:53:07 < dongs> and its not slow for me
2016-02-23T06:55:16 < dongs> who cares dude
2016-02-23T06:55:34 < dongs> the only thing that matters is that its not in NAZI GERMANY like eagle
2016-02-23T06:55:56 < dongs> ip wat
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2016-02-23T06:56:18 < dongs> lol.
2016-02-23T06:58:35 < dongs> i think
2016-02-23T06:58:39 < dongs> i'd rather have it steal my shit
2016-02-23T06:58:42 < dongs> than use shitsoft like orcad
2016-02-23T06:58:49 < dongs> it is literally worse than eagle in usability
2016-02-23T06:59:09 < dongs> at least eagle has 2 separate apps and a single shortcut to start them
2016-02-23T06:59:17 < dongs> orcad has like 15 different icons just to fucking schematic capture
2016-02-23T06:59:19 < dongs> what hte fuck?!
2016-02-23T06:59:29 < dongs> orcad capture, orcad capture CIS, orcad capture <wahtevertehfuckis> * 10
2016-02-23T06:59:39 < dongs> i didnt
2016-02-23T06:59:44 < dongs> i installed some garbage in VM
2016-02-23T06:59:47 < dongs> after takign a snapshot
2016-02-23T07:00:02 < dongs> each option shouldnt be a new fucking icon whatever that is
2016-02-23T07:00:10 < dongs> because it confuses the user
2016-02-23T07:00:15 < dongs> i dont even know where to START with it
2016-02-23T07:00:18 < dongs> there's so much senseless shit
2016-02-23T07:00:57 < dongs> explain to me why there are 15 different apps for schematic capture
2016-02-23T07:01:09 < dongs> no
2016-02-23T07:01:12 < dongs> that deosnt explain it
2016-02-23T07:04:23 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/brQVMdc.png
2016-02-23T07:04:26 < dongs> why all these dumb apps?
2016-02-23T07:04:50 < dongs> also i am pretty fucking sure i unchcked anything pspice related
2016-02-23T07:04:54 < dongs> no i didnt
2016-02-23T07:05:01 < dongs> i said no to pspic
2016-02-23T07:05:13 < upgrdman> lol, looks like stm had an intern whip up their mems gui   http://www.st.com/st-web-ui/static/active/en/fragment/product_related/rpn_information/sw_package_image/STSW-MKI109W.png
2016-02-23T07:05:24 < dongs> why the fuck would there be PCB EDITOR and PCB ROUTER
2016-02-23T07:05:27 < dongs> whats the fucking difference
2016-02-23T07:05:28 < aandrew> dongs: I grabbed that torrent too
2016-02-23T07:05:34 < aandrew> cadence is a pain in the ass
2016-02-23T07:05:39 < aandrew> you need an enterprise to support it
2016-02-23T07:06:19 < aandrew> heh
2016-02-23T07:06:22 < aandrew> I used to love orcad
2016-02-23T07:06:24 < aandrew> I really did
2016-02-23T07:06:30 < aandrew> back in the SDT/PCB386+ days
2016-02-23T07:06:42 < dongs> the problem wiht orcad in 2016 is that
2016-02-23T07:06:46 < aandrew> wow you
2016-02-23T07:06:47 < dongs> its not much better than what it was 20 years ago
2016-02-23T07:06:51 < aandrew> wow you're punchy tonight
2016-02-23T07:07:02 < aandrew> did dongs tickle the inside of your butthole or something?
2016-02-23T07:07:05 < dongs> keke
2016-02-23T07:07:23 < dongs> anyway, i would never pay for orcad
2016-02-23T07:07:27 < dongs> the only reason  i installed that shit in vm
2016-02-23T07:07:39 < dongs> is so ican use extracta to convert ocrad crap to ascii so I can import into altidong
2016-02-23T07:07:44 < aandrew> I'm moderately happy with altium, particulary because I get it for student rate
2016-02-23T07:07:56 < aandrew> it's miles ahead of eagle which makes me sad but it's the reality
2016-02-23T07:08:08 < dongs> its not hard to be miles ahead of eagle
2016-02-23T07:08:10 < aandrew> and someday my prince (kicad) will become stable and I can ditch commercial EDA for good
2016-02-23T07:08:11 < dongs> even diptrace beats eagle
2016-02-23T07:08:30 < aandrew> nah I routed some complex shit in eagle, but altium made it stupid easy
2016-02-23T07:08:32 < dongs> R2COM: being usable is a start
2016-02-23T07:08:36 < aandrew> diptrace is shite
2016-02-23T07:09:11 < dongs> upgrdman: i just got that mail too
2016-02-23T07:09:23 < upgrdman> :)\
2016-02-23T07:09:26 < upgrdman> :)
2016-02-23T07:12:41 < crt> 4560
2016-02-23T07:12:51 < crt> kicad mate
2016-02-23T07:13:55 < dongs> why doesnt kikecad highlight both pads when doing diff pairs
2016-02-23T07:14:01 < dongs> fucking newb failure right there
2016-02-23T07:14:10 < crt> kikecad does diff pairs now?
2016-02-23T07:14:15 < dongs> duno some shit he linked
2016-02-23T07:14:20 < crt> ahk
2016-02-23T07:14:24 < dongs> it sprobably in some experimental branch of fail
2016-02-23T07:14:31 < crt> i need to rob a bank for my altium funds
2016-02-23T07:14:31 < dongs> that requires newPCB-opengl-rev0.0001beta
2016-02-23T07:14:55 < dongs> couple more freelancer jobs and I'll be able to extend my altium license for another decade
2016-02-23T07:15:43 < dongs> hey R2COM how about using shit that works. you keep dicking with orcad, i'll stick wiht tools that I know how to use and that work
2016-02-23T07:15:59 < dongs> orcad with same features as altium costs WAY more
2016-02-23T07:16:15 < dongs> you dont evne get differential pair routing in ripoffcad until the $15k price point
2016-02-23T07:16:18 < dongs> yes
2016-02-23T07:16:33 < dongs> for a version that barely does what eagle can do
2016-02-23T07:16:44 < dongs> yes
2016-02-23T07:16:52 < dongs> you are troll
2016-02-23T07:18:58 < crt> dongs are there actually decent paying jobs on fl
2016-02-23T07:19:31 < ReadError> uhhh but its fl
2016-02-23T07:19:37 < crt> k
2016-02-23T07:20:19 < ReadError> who wants to live in that hellhole
2016-02-23T07:20:35 < crt> the devil?
2016-02-23T07:20:36 < crt> mate
2016-02-23T07:20:50 < ReadError> actually im going to florida for 5 days on wednesday
2016-02-23T07:20:57 < crt> okay
2016-02-23T07:21:00 < crt> can i come too?
2016-02-23T07:23:30 < crt> mate
2016-02-23T07:26:15 < ReadError> whenever some really stupid shit is on the news
2016-02-23T07:26:20 < ReadError> then you see its in florida
2016-02-23T07:26:23 < dongs> crt, no
2016-02-23T07:26:29 < ReadError> you think "oh..well that makes sense"
2016-02-23T07:26:31 < crt> ukdnk god i don't live in usa
2016-02-23T07:26:34 < dongs> i take some pcba stuff there forom time to time
2016-02-23T07:26:41 < crt> i see
2016-02-23T07:26:43 < crt> *thank
2016-02-23T07:29:39 < dongs> lol, the downhand is blue
2016-02-23T07:29:43 < dongs> you called it fgt
2016-02-23T07:30:08 < dongs> R2COM: the 'dislike" hand is blue on that link
2016-02-23T07:30:11 < dongs> that means i disliked it.
2016-02-23T07:30:27 < dongs> at some point
2016-02-23T07:30:45 < ReadError> 2 dislikes
2016-02-23T07:30:58 < dongs> was one when i first opened it.
2016-02-23T07:31:14 < ReadError> ya i just opened it and hit dislike
2016-02-23T07:31:54 < crt> lol
2016-02-23T07:31:56 < crt> 2 now
2016-02-23T07:32:30 < ReadError> are you hitting on me?
2016-02-23T07:34:29 < ReadError> then why you inquiring, bro
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2016-02-23T07:35:25 < dongs> wat
2016-02-23T07:35:28 < dongs> i see 1 dislike already
2016-02-23T07:37:12 < ReadError> leave kicad alone you pricks
2016-02-23T07:41:24 < crt> the fuck are you guys on about?
2016-02-23T07:45:17 < crt> wuahahahahahaha
2016-02-23T07:46:10 < crt> cucked mate
2016-02-23T07:51:29 < crt> later
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2016-02-23T07:52:34 < jpa-> that dude uses webchat? luls
2016-02-23T07:53:14 < upgrdman> some of those kikedad length matched traces look like ass
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2016-02-23T07:53:24 < upgrdman> like mix of curvey and pointy and lazy
2016-02-23T07:56:48 < upgrdman> R2COM, a month ago you linked this... what song is that in the background?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpxlQ_BgnYQ
2016-02-23T07:57:58 < upgrdman> thanks
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2016-02-23T08:09:10 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcacDB2wYFk worth a retweet
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2016-02-23T08:09:44 < dongs> but i bet that map isnt
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2016-02-23T10:13:29 < Peter_M> how did i know it was gonna be dickbutt
2016-02-23T10:14:22 < ReadError> probably the '<dongs>' part
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2016-02-23T10:21:23 < Peter_M> not even
2016-02-23T10:21:45 < Peter_M> oh, cloneerror, do you have any use for 3000 http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irl7486mpbf.pdf ?
2016-02-23T10:31:27 < dongs> oops
2016-02-23T10:31:31 < dongs> found thermapp can actually be focused
2016-02-23T10:31:35 < dongs> now its not bad at all
2016-02-23T10:31:42 < dongs> waaay clearer than flir e4.48
2016-02-23T10:32:01 < dongs> and 90deg range thing is kinda ? cuz i can point it at my stove and it shows 270+C
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2016-02-23T10:57:56 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/XS6CUHu.jpg
2016-02-23T10:57:59 < dongs> thermapp
2016-02-23T10:59:02 < zyp> cold today?
2016-02-23T10:59:14 < dongs> space is cold
2016-02-23T10:59:23 < zyp> how's thermapp on price vs flir?
2016-02-23T10:59:23 < dongs> 12C out.
2016-02-23T10:59:31 < dongs> well this ^ was $999
2016-02-23T10:59:47 < Cyric> did you know that a rm -rf / could brick your laptop?
2016-02-23T10:59:53 < zyp> what about flir?
2016-02-23T10:59:55 < dongs> its definitely clerarer than flir
2016-02-23T10:59:56 < zyp> Cyric, old news
2016-02-23T10:59:57 < dongs> and focusable
2016-02-23T11:00:25 < zyp> Cyric, you can kill EFI config since it's fs mapped
2016-02-23T11:00:53 < Cyric> zyp: well but i think  now they released a sort of fix on the kernel
2016-02-23T11:00:54 < Cyric> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=0389075ecfb6231818de9b0225d3a5a21a661171
2016-02-23T11:00:58 < zyp> dongs, sure, but price, I mean
2016-02-23T11:01:26 < zyp> Cyric, yeah, there's a couple of weeks since people raged about this
2016-02-23T11:01:56 < Cyric> shitty UEFI ...
2016-02-23T11:02:18 < zyp> dongs, how's china nowadays? are they still partying?
2016-02-23T11:02:24 < dongs> no all done
2016-02-23T11:02:29 < dongs> i made some orders and shit this week
2016-02-23T11:02:32 < zyp> ok, cool
2016-02-23T11:02:36 < dongs> they were ok since monday i think
2016-02-23T11:02:50 < zyp> I should probably do another nfc proto series then
2016-02-23T11:04:49 < zyp> I don't know if I should spend more time analyzing/optimizing the current design with the VNA, or if I should just say "fuck it, adding 180pF makes it work well enough"
2016-02-23T11:06:32 < zyp> dongs, what was the situation with availability of the stm32 and the nfc chip again? just long delivery times or what?
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2016-02-23T11:20:44 < dongs> 072CB is available
2016-02-23T11:20:58 < dongs> NFC chip, the crap one is available, the other one is ??
2016-02-23T11:21:33 < dongs> even official ST dudes in china done have it
2016-02-23T11:21:35 < dongs> dont
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2016-02-23T11:28:08 < zyp> hmm? L052 is what I use
2016-02-23T11:29:04 < dongs> oh
2016-02-23T11:29:46 < zyp> L052C8
2016-02-23T11:29:48 < dongs> ok
2016-02-23T11:30:13 < zyp> hmm
2016-02-23T11:30:42 < zyp> strictly speaking I don't use the extra features of the other nfc chip yet
2016-02-23T11:31:04 < zyp> but I don't really want to sacrifice the ability to enable them with a firmware upgrade later
2016-02-23T11:33:45 < zyp> oh well, mouser will do, I guess
2016-02-23T11:34:24 < dongs> mouser is probly ok price on STM and  NFC thing for > 100 or wahtever
2016-02-23T11:34:33 < dongs> she can get C8 ordered but its also dumprice
2016-02-23T11:34:36 < dongs> like > digikey
2016-02-23T11:34:43 < dongs> lemme ask st dudes
2016-02-23T11:34:48 < dongs> i think i did before? and that was fail too?
2016-02-23T11:34:59 < dongs> how many would you look to get?
2016-02-23T11:36:53 < zyp> hmm, l0 will be used on both boards, so I guess 100-200ish
2016-02-23T11:37:11 < dongs> kk. will reask
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2016-02-23T13:29:39 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/otWqU3v.jpg
2016-02-23T13:29:44 < dongs> slightly more relevant tro the channel
2016-02-23T13:30:02 < zyp> shit gets hot
2016-02-23T13:30:07 < dongs> yeah i fucked up
2016-02-23T13:30:12 < dongs> i forgot how much the drivers eat up.
2016-02-23T13:30:15 < dongs> next pcb has switcher
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2016-02-23T13:30:23 < dongs> i cant run 2 channels at once with that sahit.
2016-02-23T13:34:08 < ReadError> figured they would use a more pro-grade font
2016-02-23T13:34:14 < dongs> wut
2016-02-23T13:34:18 < dongs> thats MY font you fucking STONER
2016-02-23T13:34:34 < ReadError> oh on your phone?
2016-02-23T13:34:37 < dongs> yes
2016-02-23T13:35:19 < ReadError> oh i see, my phone doesnt change fonts
2016-02-23T13:35:27 < dongs> yeah you got shitty one
2016-02-23T13:35:39 < zyp> haha
2016-02-23T13:35:55 < zyp> I bought new phone the other day
2016-02-23T13:35:55 < ReadError> well its an iphone so it just comes with one font: awesome
2016-02-23T13:36:05 < dongs> incorrect
2016-02-23T13:36:30 < zyp> my old nexus 4 suddenly had a crack across the glass last thursday
2016-02-23T13:36:43 < zyp> not sure how that happened, because I didn't drop it or anything
2016-02-23T13:36:51 < dongs> google timer
2016-02-23T13:37:00 < zyp> rendered the lowest third on the touchscreen unusable
2016-02-23T13:37:19 < dongs> pickup g alaxy S6 for super cheap once S7 is released
2016-02-23T13:37:24 < dongs> S7 spec = fucking yawn
2016-02-23T13:37:29 < dongs> so S6 will become cheap as shit
2016-02-23T13:37:31 < zyp> nah, I already picked up a nexus 5x on friday
2016-02-23T13:37:34 < dongs> or that.
2016-02-23T13:38:15 < zyp> I figured that I haven't really seen anything more interesting than 5x
2016-02-23T13:38:30 < zyp> and I could pick that up locally
2016-02-23T13:38:54 < Sync> that therm app shit does not look too bad
2016-02-23T13:39:12 < dongs> http://tokyo.craigslist.jp/muc/5435538843.html
2016-02-23T13:39:15 < dongs> zyp's ad
2016-02-23T13:39:24 < dongs> sync, indeed
2016-02-23T13:39:29 < dongs> im pleasantly surprised once i found how to focus.
2016-02-23T13:39:34 < zyp> so now I have to get a bunch of usb-c cables
2016-02-23T13:40:40 < zyp> so far I only have the type-c to type-c cable that came with the phone, so only thing I can plug it into is included charger
2016-02-23T13:40:55 < dongs> cant you get type-c to usb2.0
2016-02-23T13:40:56 < dongs> or whatever
2016-02-23T13:40:58 < dongs> regular shit
2016-02-23T13:41:00 < zyp> yes
2016-02-23T13:41:03 < BrainDamage> what's the hw sensor for the thermal camera?
2016-02-23T13:41:04 < dongs> also how often do you actually ned to plug it anywhere
2016-02-23T13:41:07 < dongs> just the charger is ok?
2016-02-23T13:41:13 < dongs> BrainDamage: no idea, its some jewish thing
2016-02-23T13:41:25 < dongs> see if some eevterd did a teardown
2016-02-23T13:41:35 < BrainDamage> kk, thanks anyway
2016-02-23T13:41:40 < zyp> dongs, idk, for old phone I got other chargers and shit
2016-02-23T13:41:58 < zyp> in car, on bike, mobile powerbank, etc
2016-02-23T13:41:59 < dongs> does 5x even do fast chargring
2016-02-23T13:42:03 < dongs> like QC2.0 or whatever
2016-02-23T13:42:10 < dongs> using 9V/12V
2016-02-23T13:42:12 < zyp> no
2016-02-23T13:42:15 < dongs> fail
2016-02-23T13:42:21 < dongs> charging S6 in liek 30mins = win
2016-02-23T13:42:25 < dongs> from nearly empty
2016-02-23T13:42:27 < zyp> but it does type-c fast charging
2016-02-23T13:42:32 < zyp> which is 5V/3A
2016-02-23T13:42:53 < dongs> forgot waht A it was at 9V
2016-02-23T13:42:58 < dongs> 2.1? i think
2016-02-23T13:43:06 < zyp> (which you don't get with A to C cable)
2016-02-23T13:43:06 < dongs> writen on back of charger, too lazy to look
2016-02-23T13:43:49 < zyp> speed is not too important everywhere though
2016-02-23T13:44:05 < zyp> in car/on bike, charging is not to fill up battery, but to keep it from draining
2016-02-23T13:44:18 < dongs> in my car it is
2016-02-23T13:44:48 < zyp> I mean, I plug it in when I'm using it for navigation or something, and don't want that to drain the battery
2016-02-23T13:45:05 < dongs> rite
2016-02-23T13:45:24 < zyp> anyway, it seems to charge pretty rapidly at 3A anyway
2016-02-23T13:45:39 < zyp> even says "charging rapidly" on lockscreen
2016-02-23T13:46:03 < zyp> and battery lasts much longer than old nexus 4 :p
2016-02-23T13:46:24 < zyp> hmm
2016-02-23T13:46:39 < zyp> 2700mAh vs 2100mAh
2016-02-23T13:46:48 < zyp> so it's larger in addition to being new
2016-02-23T13:46:48 < dongs> 5x is 2100?
2016-02-23T13:46:52 < dongs> ah
2016-02-23T13:46:56 < dongs> 277 tehn
2016-02-23T13:47:41 < zyp> so 5X battery is around 10Wh, and usb-c charging is 15W
2016-02-23T13:47:57 < zyp> that's empty to full in 40 minutes assuming no losses
2016-02-23T13:48:02 < ReadError> http://www.banggood.com/TS100-Digital-OLED-Programable-Interface-DC-5525-Soldering-Iron-Station-Built-in-STM32-Chip-p-984214.html
2016-02-23T13:48:07 < ReadError> this is actually really nice
2016-02-23T13:48:14 < ReadError> if anyone was in the market for such thing
2016-02-23T13:48:27 < dongs> is that the thing
2016-02-23T13:48:30 < dongs> with  accelerometer
2016-02-23T13:48:41 < zyp> why the fuck is that tip so long?
2016-02-23T13:48:42 < ReadError> yea it has shit in it
2016-02-23T13:48:57 < zyp> how the fuck do you get any precision with that tip?
2016-02-23T13:49:01 < ReadError> zyp its not too long really
2016-02-23T13:49:06 < ReadError> they have different tips ofc
2016-02-23T13:49:17 < ReadError> it can use hakko tips
2016-02-23T13:49:58 < ReadError> http://www.banggood.com/Original-Replacement-Solder-Tip-For-TS100-Digital-LCD-Soldering-Iron-p-984215.html
2016-02-23T13:50:20 < dongs> yeah they're all fucking long
2016-02-23T13:50:31 < ReadError> i like the bevel one
2016-02-23T13:51:36 < zyp> I miss the JBC nano stuff
2016-02-23T13:51:55 < zyp> some day I'm going to buy myself one of those stations
2016-02-23T13:52:10 < Sync> doit
2016-02-23T13:52:40 < zyp> had one at $oldjob, best solder station I've ever used
2016-02-23T13:53:37 < ReadError> http://www.dailygusta.com/Quads/i-PPnW4P6/0/X3/CA_02231606530469-X3.jpg
2016-02-23T13:55:36 < jadew> that's so pretty
2016-02-23T13:56:12 < jadew> how fast is it?
2016-02-23T13:56:44 < ReadError> pretty quick, depends on voltage though i suppose
2016-02-23T13:57:49 < ReadError> was on the fence for a while about it but finally bit the bullet
2016-02-23T14:03:00 < BrainDamage> how long does the charge last?
2016-02-23T14:03:20 < BrainDamage> can it run off a psu continously bypassing the battery if you don't need it?
2016-02-23T14:07:42 < ReadError> theres no internal batt
2016-02-23T14:09:30 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/FErdiKm typical irc user
2016-02-23T14:11:40 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/gallery/VWFk9
2016-02-23T14:11:43 < ReadError> hey its Laurenceb
2016-02-23T14:13:56 < Laurenceb> looks moar liek Tectu
2016-02-23T14:24:39 < karlp> ReadError: so it has a barrel jack and a usb port? can it be powered off just the laptop usb like in the pics? really?
2016-02-23T14:24:52 < ReadError> no cant be powered over usb
2016-02-23T14:25:07 < ReadError> its powered over the barrel jack
2016-02-23T14:25:27 < ReadError> banggood has a usb iron but it seems useless
2016-02-23T14:25:51 < karlp> what's the usb port for?
2016-02-23T14:26:08 < ReadError> its opensource software, so you can write stuff
2016-02-23T14:26:25 < ReadError> scripts or w/e, not sure why not messed with that
2016-02-23T14:26:45 < ReadError> http://imgmgr.banggood.com/images/upload/2015/11/TS100/TS100%20V2.11%20Source%20Code%20New.rar
2016-02-23T14:27:08 < ReadError> http://imgmgr.banggood.com/images/upload/2015/11/TS100/TS100%20V2.46%20Schematic%20Diagram%20V1.0%20.pdf
2016-02-23T14:28:39 < jpa-> same logo as dso quad; i wonder what is that chinese stm32 shop doing these
2016-02-23T14:33:13 < BrainDamage> karlp: in the insertion they say you can program temp profiles and actuate with a button
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2016-02-23T14:37:26 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/N7xoqhx.png
2016-02-23T14:37:30 < ReadError> lol is he programming in chrome
2016-02-23T14:39:08 < Sync> dat apple typing position
2016-02-23T14:39:29 < Laurenceb> dat aspect ratio
2016-02-23T14:39:55 < ReadError> ya who the hell types like that
2016-02-23T14:51:10 < BrainDamage> what would you use the accele for? to shut down the tip if it lies horizontal for a while?
2016-02-23T14:51:58 < ReadError> yea so if you lay it down it cools
2016-02-23T14:52:01 < ReadError> or idle temp
2016-02-23T14:52:44 < ReadError> i guess w/e you can think of
2016-02-23T14:52:59 < ReadError> bout the only useful thing probably
2016-02-23T14:53:13 < Laurenceb> Poe https://twitter.com/streetvoiceuk
2016-02-23T14:53:46 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/tag/bollywoodrealism/detail/ZanySickBunny
2016-02-23T14:55:19 < Laurenceb> lul
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2016-02-23T15:08:52 < kakimir> i think Im everything that feminists oppose
2016-02-23T15:10:23 < kakimir> wait no
2016-02-23T15:12:26 < kakimir> realized what amount predators and such are compared to asspies like me
2016-02-23T15:17:13 < jpa-> is there someone who doesn't oppose you?
2016-02-23T15:18:01 < Laurenceb> everyone opposed the Finns
2016-02-23T15:25:50 < kakimir> do you hate all the finns in your work place because of me Laurenceb ?
2016-02-23T15:26:32 < Laurenceb> haha
2016-02-23T15:26:41 < Laurenceb> yeah its like 70% Finn here now
2016-02-23T15:27:25 < kakimir> invasion
2016-02-23T15:38:37 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2GcdpJiNGfKV1paaFNxVmd0RFU&usp=sharing what the hell kikecad
2016-02-23T15:39:09 < dongs> that dialog box
2016-02-23T15:39:20 < dongs> i wonder if those people ever read microsoft UI design guidelines
2016-02-23T15:39:25 < dongs> the way it looks , im guessing no
2016-02-23T15:39:49 < kakimir> the dont follow the rules
2016-02-23T15:39:55 < kakimir> they are free
2016-02-23T15:43:19 < dongs> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ff728831(v=vs.85).aspx
2016-02-23T15:44:20 < dongs> hm this is not what i thought it was
2016-02-23T15:44:24 < dongs> this is some new shit that looks awful
2016-02-23T15:44:42 < jadew> yeah, the old guidelines are nicer
2016-02-23T15:44:48 < dongs> no, this is jsut some new shit
2016-02-23T15:44:52 < dongs> not even guidelines
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2016-02-23T15:54:15 < Laurenceb> rage
2016-02-23T15:54:28  * Laurenceb failed him DA-15 connector milling
2016-02-23T15:54:35 < Laurenceb> time to redesign :-/
2016-02-23T15:54:39 < Laurenceb> *his
2016-02-23T15:56:31 < Sync> rekt
2016-02-23T15:57:36 < dongs> time to get stoned
2016-02-23T15:57:39 < dongs> bbl
2016-02-23T16:00:37 < Laurenceb> sounds like moar funt han I'm having
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2016-02-23T16:16:00 < kakimir> kicad crashed
2016-02-23T16:16:08 < kakimir> o.o
2016-02-23T16:16:19 < Sync> it happens
2016-02-23T16:17:03 < ReadError> i hope you lost a bunch of work
2016-02-23T16:17:05 < ReadError> and feel bad
2016-02-23T16:20:09 < kakimir> I lost nothing
2016-02-23T16:21:01 < ReadError> the altium history stuff is pretty nice
2016-02-23T16:22:20 < zyp> heh, as if it works
2016-02-23T16:22:44 < ReadError> zyp its saved my ass before
2016-02-23T16:22:53 < ReadError> but also altium somehow fucked all my shit up
2016-02-23T16:22:56 < zyp> I mean, it does, it's just that the latest revision you'd like to recover is corrupt
2016-02-23T16:23:07 < ReadError> my entire lib, somehow every pad got moved to 0,0
2016-02-23T16:23:15 < zyp> and the one before that lost you at least 30 minutes of work
2016-02-23T16:23:19 < zyp> or something
2016-02-23T16:23:27 < zyp> that's how it happened for me the two times I've looked at it
2016-02-23T16:24:56 < ReadError> ive only used it that one time
2016-02-23T16:28:36 < kakimir> is there a way to turn off automatic crash handler for some windows process?
2016-02-23T16:29:07 < englishman> karlp: it mounts as 8kb mass storage drive with a textfile that contains config info
2016-02-23T16:29:15 < kakimir> I added stuff to schematic and now footprint assing function takes too long to response
2016-02-23T16:29:39 < englishman> for default startup temp, rest time before lowering temp, temp to idle at, etc
2016-02-23T16:31:07 < englishman> there is a voltage divider in schematic so low batt alarm could be added in to sw
2016-02-23T16:33:06 < ReadError> englishman u get one too?
2016-02-23T16:33:12 < englishman> yeah while back
2016-02-23T16:33:45 < ReadError> once the usa warehouse got em i was like ehhh fuckit
2016-02-23T16:33:56 < ReadError> was eye hustlin them for a while
2016-02-23T16:34:19 < englishman> waiting on the barrel jack from china is why i didnt use it
2016-02-23T16:34:52 < ReadError> ya i had to dig into my box of dumb walwarts to find one that fit
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2016-02-23T18:26:04 < Laurenceb> http://pastebin.com/FY7c4HD9
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2016-02-23T18:50:46 < kakimir> I think channel has risen to new level
2016-02-23T19:06:04 < karlp> nope, laurence is still just laurence
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2016-02-23T19:16:29 < Laurenceb> sage
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2016-02-23T20:19:43 < ehsanv> hi, is there any open source digital oscilloscope project on internet?
2016-02-23T20:35:29 < yan> ehsanv: sigrok? or do you mean hardware
2016-02-23T20:36:10 < upgrdman> LSB and MSB are obvious, but how would you name the "middle" bytes of something with, for example, 4 bytes? LSB 2SB 3SB MSB?
2016-02-23T20:37:51 < ehsanv> yan: thanks. but i mean hardware.
2016-02-23T20:38:10 < ehsanv> open hardware though :)
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2016-02-23T22:35:41 < kakimir> what dickplacer would say if I say to place 2 1210 caps
2016-02-23T22:35:48 < kakimir> .. on top of each other
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2016-02-23T22:36:09 < kakimir> also add paste between levels
2016-02-23T22:36:12 < kakimir> :D
2016-02-23T22:36:43 < kakimir> #nextzano
2016-02-23T22:44:24 < Steffanx> Are you on drugs again kakimir?
2016-02-23T22:45:08 < kakimir> I'm permastoned
2016-02-23T22:45:40 < kakimir> what do you think..
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2016-02-23T22:50:33 < englishman> upgrdman: mildly significant bits
2016-02-23T22:51:44 < upgrdman> :/
2016-02-23T22:56:38 < scummos> "least significant bit, quite insignificant bit, slightly significant bit, average significant bit, somewhat significant bit, relatively significant bit, quite significant bit, most significant bit"
2016-02-23T22:56:57 < scummos> then hope you don't have more than 8
2016-02-23T22:58:55 < englishman> significantly significant bit
2016-02-23T23:01:03 < scummos> insignificantly insignificant bit
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2016-02-23T23:10:38 < Steffanx> there was still hope for you, but its gone now kakimir
2016-02-23T23:12:35 < kakimir> hope of what?
2016-02-23T23:12:50 < Steffanx> You being sane.
2016-02-23T23:13:28 < kakimir> oh.. I got scared it was something of importance
2016-02-23T23:14:42 < Steffanx> Im sorry for scaring you
2016-02-23T23:24:23 < kakimir> I got really scared
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2016-02-24T00:09:02 < crt> sup ST'z and freelancers
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2016-02-24T00:38:08 < Bright> anyone here have a stm32f7 disco?
2016-02-24T00:38:36 < crt> thinking about it
2016-02-24T00:39:13 < Bright> same
2016-02-24T00:41:21 < crt> the best thing about having the stm32f7 disco board isn't owning the board, it's telling everyone online that i do
2016-02-24T00:43:50 < crt> http://i.imgur.com/zARH3JM.png
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2016-02-24T00:47:25 < crt> Bright: how are your stm32 related endeavors anyway?
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2016-02-24T00:56:29 < Laurenceb_> is that guy supposed to be Swedish or something?
2016-02-24T00:56:41 < crt> idk
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2016-02-24T01:03:45 < Laurenceb_> its the Sweden Yes guy
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2016-02-24T01:04:55 < kakimir> blond haired mulatto
2016-02-24T01:05:26 < kakimir> viking bloodline mixed with middle east rulers
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2016-02-24T01:12:02 < crt> meemin' it up
2016-02-24T01:15:46 < kakimir> why there is no swedes here?
2016-02-24T01:16:10 < crt> i would suspect there are
2016-02-24T01:16:14 < crt> they're probably hiding mate
2016-02-24T01:16:30 < Laurenceb_> they all joined ISIS
2016-02-24T01:16:48 < crt> i knew it
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2016-02-24T01:34:56 < dongs> or too stoned
2016-02-24T01:36:47 < kakimir> they are stoned by multicultural haven they have created
2016-02-24T01:37:01 < kakimir> literally
2016-02-24T01:37:03 < kakimir> too
2016-02-24T01:40:17 < kakimir> dongs: you are up early
2016-02-24T01:40:34 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKX1pmNEZXaXgzM3M/view?usp=sharing led driver first 3d
2016-02-24T01:41:10 < kakimir> I need to remove few excess jumper3s from front
2016-02-24T01:41:29 < crt> which ic are you using there
2016-02-24T01:42:21 < kakimir> driver ic?
2016-02-24T01:42:28 < crt> yah
2016-02-24T01:43:18 < crt> oh lt3791
2016-02-24T01:43:18 < kakimir> lt3791
2016-02-24T01:43:24 < crt> read filename :3
2016-02-24T01:43:32 < kakimir> http://cds.linear.com/docs/en/datasheet/3791fb.pdf
2016-02-24T01:44:06 < kakimir> I also have lpc1111 doing thermal management
2016-02-24T01:44:34 < crt> i see a cuck boost
2016-02-24T01:44:40 < kakimir> fan control and power throttling
2016-02-24T01:45:34 < crt> a nice little package
2016-02-24T01:45:44 < crt> 6.6mm x 9.6mm
2016-02-24T01:46:23 < kakimir> almost too little
2016-02-24T01:46:39 < crt> nahmate
2016-02-24T01:46:45 < kakimir> it's about size of that trim down corner
2016-02-24T01:47:01 < crt> all the mozfets are external
2016-02-24T01:47:05 < kakimir> it has linear reg inside
2016-02-24T01:47:15 < kakimir> totally mad
2016-02-24T01:47:41 < kakimir> 60volts to 5volts 55volt drop 70mA current
2016-02-24T01:48:01 < kakimir> equals heat
2016-02-24T01:49:13 < kakimir> I havent found solution to it
2016-02-24T01:50:08 < kakimir> one would be feed VIN pin with on-board 12volt buck
2016-02-24T01:50:44 < kakimir> but it has en pin pulldown fet connected to that 5volt rail of driver
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2016-02-24T01:51:45 < kakimir> another would be external 5volt cuck but it doesn't turn off because there is no measures to read internal shutdown line
2016-02-24T01:53:34 < kakimir> and datasheet doesn't tell how part will work if VIN is not actual VIN or if internal 5volt rail is force fed with external cuck
2016-02-24T01:54:03 < kakimir> and linear doesn't answer to nobos
2016-02-24T01:55:15 < crt> sounds like a winrar
2016-02-24T01:55:22 < crt> do you really need buck boost for your application?
2016-02-24T01:55:33 < kakimir> yes
2016-02-24T01:55:53 < kakimir> how you drive 40volt led in mobile applications?
2016-02-24T01:56:12 < crt> not enough informations
2016-02-24T01:56:35 < kakimir> you have 12volt or 24volt lead acid or some inexpensive lipo solution
2016-02-24T01:57:08 < kakimir> having +10cell lipo is not affordable option
2016-02-24T01:58:19 < kakimir> having 60volts operational range is a good idea in vehicle use
2016-02-24T01:58:27 < kakimir> even in 12volt vehicles
2016-02-24T02:00:24 < crt> also why 60 volt LED
2016-02-24T02:00:40 < crt> *40
2016-02-24T02:01:15 < kakimir> 30-50
2016-02-24T02:01:20 < kakimir> because power
2016-02-24T02:01:32 < crt> makes no sense
2016-02-24T02:01:40 < crt> power is not the forward voltage of the LED
2016-02-24T02:02:04 < kakimir> P = I^2 * R
2016-02-24T02:02:14 < kakimir> if you want deliver power you want voltage
2016-02-24T02:02:23 < kakimir> always
2016-02-24T02:02:27 < crt> tell the starter motor in your car that
2016-02-24T02:03:20 < kakimir> actually mercedes wanted to create 48volt car electricity around end of 90's
2016-02-24T02:03:27 < kakimir> or was it audi
2016-02-24T02:03:53 < kakimir> good idea but never got popular
2016-02-24T02:04:00 < aandrew> kakimir: just use a boost converter. done and done.
2016-02-24T02:04:08 < aandrew> there are boost converters designed specifically for LED driving
2016-02-24T02:04:17 < aandrew> assuming that's what you're after
2016-02-24T02:04:59 < aandrew> well 48V makes a lot of sense when you're using electric motors for the A/C. The way the american cars did it was nuts
2016-02-24T02:05:17 < aandrew> kind of exactly the solution you'd expect from someone who knows their shit mechanically but is skeered of electronics.
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2016-02-24T02:06:24 < kakimir> well give me one with the same or better efficiency
2016-02-24T02:08:44 < kakimir> it should have maximum output around +50volts and 5amps
2016-02-24T02:11:02 < kakimir> but no.. wont do it
2016-02-24T02:11:38 < kakimir> if I want to utilize 48volt supply it should be fine too
2016-02-24T02:12:14 < kakimir> some telecom shiet or so
2016-02-24T02:13:14 < kakimir> I heard those old telecom supplys are handed out in scrap weight price
2016-02-24T02:13:22 < kakimir> like euro per kilo
2016-02-24T02:17:23  * crt opens his wallet
2016-02-24T02:17:25 < crt> put em in
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2016-02-24T02:27:13 < crt> so now instead of 12v your voltage requirement is 12 - 48 v
2016-02-24T02:28:22 < kakimir> why not
2016-02-24T02:28:32 < kakimir> should it be an issue?
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2016-02-24T02:30:05 < timemob> zyp, can that St NFC shit read 120kHz cards?
2016-02-24T02:32:26 < Fleck> f103: The clock can be slowed down by up to 121 ppm by configuring CAL[6:0] bits. <<<< ppm means parts per million? also, does this means I can't run clock faster?
2016-02-24T02:32:47 < Sync> kakimir aandrew 42/48V car busses are coming
2016-02-24T02:32:56 < timemob> rtc?
2016-02-24T02:33:15 < Fleck> yep, rtc
2016-02-24T02:33:42 < timemob> yes ppm means that
2016-02-24T02:33:46 < kakimir> there.. you need to future the shiet
2016-02-24T02:34:33 < timemob> it's probably "too fast" by default and CAL makes it normal
2016-02-24T02:34:42 < Fleck> I hope so :D
2016-02-24T02:35:14 < timemob> so zero cal = too fast, mid = about right, high = slow
2016-02-24T02:35:23 < timemob> just a guess I donno
2016-02-24T02:35:50 < timemob> is cal zero by default?
2016-02-24T02:36:30 < Fleck> yep, looks like that
2016-02-24T02:38:35 < Fleck> I have 11 now, will see if it's too slow or too fast
2016-02-24T02:39:13 < timemob> isn't that going to take weeks to find out
2016-02-24T02:39:56 < Fleck> yes if it's close, not if not ;D
2016-02-24T02:41:13 < upgrdman_> http://imgur.com/lhb76Iz
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2016-02-24T02:43:06 < upgrdman> lolwut. fucking japs.  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japanese-company-manufactures-lifelike-child-sex-dolls-for-paedophiles-a6811046.html
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2016-02-24T02:43:52 < timemob> old
2016-02-24T02:43:55 < zyp> timemob, no
2016-02-24T02:44:14 < zyp> can read all sorts of 13.56MHz cards, but not 125kHz
2016-02-24T02:44:23 < timemob> is there something that does both?
2016-02-24T02:44:35 < zyp> maybe, I haven't looked
2016-02-24T02:44:43 < zyp> I'm pretty uninterested in 125kHz
2016-02-24T02:44:54 < timemob> ok
2016-02-24T02:45:31 < zyp> dunno if you can get one antenna to work well for both, so even dual mode readers might use two separate chips or something
2016-02-24T02:45:45 < timemob> right
2016-02-24T02:46:09 < zyp> I guess 125kHz needs much more inductance
2016-02-24T02:46:28 < timemob> like an actual coil
2016-02-24T02:47:02 < zyp> yeah, I think 125kHz readers usually have an external wire-wound antenna
2016-02-24T02:47:14 < zyp> not just two-three loops of trace on the board :p
2016-02-24T02:48:49 < zyp> just mailed electrician company
2016-02-24T02:49:37 < zyp> «I'd like to do this job myself, but I know I'm not legally allowed to, is it okay if I run the cable myself and you guys only come here and hook up the ends afterwards?»
2016-02-24T02:50:05 < timemob> heh
2016-02-24T02:52:24 < timemob> Is that 200 volt 3 phase for the golf?
2016-02-24T02:53:25 < zyp> because I don't want to pay them to spend hours trying to figure out how to put a cable into a hole in one wall and have it come out of another hole 7m away without any access openings in between
2016-02-24T02:53:34 < zyp> 230V single phase 16A
2016-02-24T02:54:13 < zyp> golf doesn't do three phase charging
2016-02-24T02:54:22 < zyp> and apt doesn't have three phase supply either
2016-02-24T02:54:43 < timemob> is that double the usual connection?
2016-02-24T02:54:48 < timemob> 16A
2016-02-24T02:55:10 < timemob> or just that it's a dedicated circuit
2016-02-24T02:55:14 < zyp> it's 3.7kW, it's max for the EU egolf
2016-02-24T02:55:36 < zyp> which is kinda shitty, most other EVs can do more
2016-02-24T02:56:16 < zyp> 16A is what standard outlets here are rated for
2016-02-24T02:57:11 < zyp> except nowadays there's some silly regulations limiting 2.5mm2 cables to 15A, and this is a 2014 apartment, so it got all 15A breakers
2016-02-24T02:57:27 < zyp> which would be cool enough
2016-02-24T02:57:52 < Sync> ye, the copper lobby got their moneys worth :D
2016-02-24T02:58:06 < zyp> if the fuckers didn't put the AC and all the outlets in the living room on the same circuit as the outdoor outlets
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2016-02-24T02:58:45 < zyp> so there's already plenty of load on that circuit
2016-02-24T02:59:00 < zyp> so I'm getting a dedicated one for charging
2016-02-24T02:59:32 < zyp> with actual 16A breaker and 4mm2 cabling, most likely :p
2016-02-24T03:01:31 < upgrdman> lol  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC89KRV7l9M
2016-02-24T03:02:14 < zyp> nice
2016-02-24T03:03:15 < zyp> haha, description makes it even better
2016-02-24T03:07:49 < englishman> zyp: you cant do home wiring yourself legally?
2016-02-24T03:08:13 < zyp> not fixed wiring no
2016-02-24T03:08:24 < englishman> i mean if your wiring is to code, would you have to prove that x modification was done by a pro
2016-02-24T03:08:30 < englishman> if inspected
2016-02-24T03:08:43 < englishman> i can see that being some union thing
2016-02-24T03:09:02 < aandrew> heh that's not bad
2016-02-24T03:10:35 < zyp> the rules over here requires that all fixed electrical work performed nowadays needs to be documented with a declaration of compliance and shit
2016-02-24T03:10:53 < englishman> i declare my wiring iz good -zyp
2016-02-24T03:10:58 < zyp> and the work needs to be performed by an authorized company
2016-02-24T03:11:18 < zyp> yeah
2016-02-24T03:12:10 < zyp> I mean, I used to work as an electrician, I've done a ton of wiring, this is a pretty easy job
2016-02-24T03:13:17 < Sync> here it is pretty usual to wire shit yourself and then just have the electrician hook it up
2016-02-24T03:13:37 < zyp> the legislation here makes even that a grey zone
2016-02-24T03:14:04 < zyp> but I hope the company I mailed is coll with that
2016-02-24T03:14:09 < zyp> cool*
2016-02-24T03:14:58 < zyp> at the company I worked for, we let people who seemed to have a clue do all sorts of shit themselves
2016-02-24T03:21:48 < Sync> yeah
2016-02-24T03:21:52 < Sync> less shit to do yourself
2016-02-24T03:23:12 < zyp> yeah, there were always enough to do anyway
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2016-02-24T03:27:39 < Sync> heh, just found my old ir longpass filter, it's funny how a regular tungsten desklamp does not look different but a laptop display is completely dark
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2016-02-24T04:49:33 < aandrew> better convert them to orcad/cadence just as fast as you can spin those mouse wheels
2016-02-24T04:50:41 < aandrew> sanity prevails
2016-02-24T04:54:15 < crt> i read autism not altium
2016-02-24T04:54:43 < dongs> R2COM: deleted cities:skylines
2016-02-24T04:54:47 < dongs> complete fucking garbage
2016-02-24T04:54:57 < dongs> no rightclicktopan
2016-02-24T04:55:02 < dongs> retarded wasd navigation
2016-02-24T04:55:07 < dongs> i got RSI in like 5 mins trying to paly it
2016-02-24T04:55:34 < dongs> you just dont know how to make usable GUIs
2016-02-24T05:05:17 < dongs> had such great potential too
2016-02-24T05:05:34 < dongs> first game that didnt fucking try going fullscreen, changing resolution on dual monitors and hten fucking up all my currently open windows
2016-02-24T05:05:39 < dongs> they got mad props for that
2016-02-24T05:05:44 < dongs> then ruined it all by not knowing how to GUI
2016-02-24T05:05:53 < dongs> so to the shitheap it goes.
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2016-02-24T05:11:41 < bilboquet_> hi, ding dong
2016-02-24T05:11:50 < bilboquet_> http://i.imgur.com/t28QiGW.png
2016-02-24T05:12:09 < bilboquet_> do you see my mistake ?
2016-02-24T05:12:37 < dongs> i see youre using kikecad
2016-02-24T05:12:41 < dongs> thats first mistake
2016-02-24T05:12:42 < dongs> but lets see
2016-02-24T05:13:21 < bilboquet_> it's for shut led strip (ws2812)
2016-02-24T05:13:51 < bilboquet_> but i think there is an error here.
2016-02-24T05:14:31 < dongs> the error is that you probably shoulda been using pfet for it
2016-02-24T05:14:32 < bilboquet_> i' m going to try whit out this. but before i need to clean the room:(
2016-02-24T05:15:17 < bilboquet_> one day i'll learrn fet !
2016-02-24T05:17:26 < bilboquet_> like this https://www.pjrc.com/teensy/td_libs_OctoWS2811_18.png
2016-02-24T05:22:37 < upgrdman> wut. why the fuck is that person using pmos to turn on some LEDs
2016-02-24T05:22:52 < dongs> fucking pjrc
2016-02-24T05:23:37 < dongs> upgrdman: how do you turn on leds
2016-02-24T05:23:50 < upgrdman> small ones direct with mcu, big ones with nmos?
2016-02-24T05:23:59 < upgrdman> or better yet
2016-02-24T05:24:01 < upgrdman> CC driver
2016-02-24T05:24:12 < dongs> nono this is power supply for ws2811 shit
2016-02-24T05:24:16 < dongs> so it just needs 5V
2016-02-24T05:24:25 < dongs> it will currentlimit/etc.
2016-02-24T05:24:40 < upgrdman> oh. maybe i should have scrolled up.
2016-02-24T05:24:41 < upgrdman> but
2016-02-24T05:25:01 < upgrdman> would nmos be bad? it cant handle signals when ungrounded?
2016-02-24T05:25:18 < dongs> im not sure
2016-02-24T05:25:20 < dongs> its possible
2016-02-24T05:25:35 < dongs> like,, the data_in thing becomes ground while its still has vcc
2016-02-24T05:25:36 < dongs> or osmething
2016-02-24T05:25:43 < upgrdman> i'd be lazy and try 1kohm for each signal line, and just nmos the gnd wire
2016-02-24T05:25:45 < dongs> conducts through I/O pin and fails it
2016-02-24T05:25:58 < upgrdman> ya i know, esd diodes fuck with us
2016-02-24T05:26:08 < upgrdman> hence 1k to protect mcu
2016-02-24T05:29:19 < upgrdman> this rc truck body... so kawaii  http://s106.photobucket.com/user/wedjim/media/WED05-23-10070.jpg.html
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2016-02-24T05:34:20 < danielson> Having trouble building a basic Hello World project for the STM32 w/GCC
2016-02-24T05:34:37 < danielson> I've installed the ARM GCC plugin
2016-02-24T05:35:00 < danielson> If I do a new project and select ARM C/C++ Hello World it creates a buildable project
2016-02-24T05:35:33 < upgrdman> hello world == blink led?
2016-02-24T05:35:56 < danielson> I'm having trouble with the standard libraries ST provides CMSIS/HAL
2016-02-24T05:36:27 < upgrdman> mmm ya i dont use hal. post a specific question/problem and if someone knows, they'll chime in
2016-02-24T05:36:27 < danielson> 'GPIO_AF13_HRTIM1' undeclared (first use in this function)	main.c	/Test/src	line 176	C/C++ Problem
2016-02-24T05:41:13 < upgrdman> try searching for files that contain 'GPIO_AF13_HRTIM1' to find your missing header
2016-02-24T05:41:27 < upgrdman> windows file explorer can search within text files, iirc
2016-02-24T05:42:28 < bilboquet_> this book explained how install toolchain with gcc step by step : https://leanpub.com/mastering-stm32?utm_campaign=mastering-stm32&utm_medium=embed&utm_source=embedder
2016-02-24T05:42:41 < bilboquet_> with cube.
2016-02-24T05:43:08 < upgrdman> lolwut  "This book is 50% complete"
2016-02-24T05:43:27 < bilboquet_> yes but install works
2016-02-24T05:43:28 < danielson> I actually contributed to the book yesterday
2016-02-24T05:43:30 < bilboquet_> :)
2016-02-24T05:43:32 < danielson> It's not all that helpful
2016-02-24T05:43:40 < bilboquet_> but i use libopencm3
2016-02-24T05:43:57 < danielson> http://imgur.com/5grLXFl
2016-02-24T05:44:07 < danielson> I converted include paths from workspace paths to normal paths
2016-02-24T05:44:19 < danielson> See the exclamation marks next to those paths, probably related
2016-02-24T05:44:27 < upgrdman> ya
2016-02-24T05:45:28 < upgrdman> i think your gcc command is missing one of the -I"/path/to/my/includes"
2016-02-24T05:45:39 < upgrdman> i use my own makefiles in eclipse
2016-02-24T05:45:39 < upgrdman> but
2016-02-24T05:45:51 < upgrdman> there's probably something to do it in Project > Settings
2016-02-24T05:46:00 < upgrdman> but good luck finding it :)
2016-02-24T05:46:27 < upgrdman> i had this same problem, and said "fuck it, i'll use my own makefile... with booze and hookers"
2016-02-24T05:46:55 < danielson> Party at upgrdman's house
2016-02-24T05:47:06 < upgrdman> yes
2016-02-24T05:47:12 < danielson> I'm an eclipse novice
2016-02-24T05:47:28 < danielson> I don't know why my include directories aren't being expanded in the project view
2016-02-24T05:47:32 < upgrdman> iirc theres a bunch of youtube videos on that gnuarmeclipse plugin
2016-02-24T05:48:02 < danielson> See http://i.imgur.com/G4IO5sA.png
2016-02-24T05:49:12 < upgrdman> prolly a #define to uncomment in that file?
2016-02-24T05:49:56 < upgrdman> what program is in your tasksbar with the pencil and paper?
2016-02-24T05:50:03 < danielson> Programmer's Notepad 2
2016-02-24T05:50:58 < upgrdman> like it?
2016-02-24T05:52:56 < danielson> Yes
2016-02-24T05:53:09 < danielson> Getting closer, #define'd STM32F334x8 in Eclipse symbol manager
2016-02-24T05:53:53 < bilboquet_> danielson, in fact i'd used book and/with his article.
2016-02-24T05:54:09 < bilboquet_> s/articles
2016-02-24T05:54:42 < danielson> I got it to build
2016-02-24T05:56:02 < danielson> Hmm. Cannot find entry symbol, defaulting to...
2016-02-24T05:56:06 < danielson> Probably not going to run
2016-02-24T06:00:26 < FatalNIX> okay what..
2016-02-24T06:00:38 < FatalNIX> is there anything that would ever prevent me from disabling the MSI clock?
2016-02-24T06:00:54 < FatalNIX> I even opened up the debugger and tried unchecking it and it's like NOPE, force to on
2016-02-24T06:01:46 < upgrdman> never fuck with that, but maybe it wont go into effect if it's connected to a PLL or wont go into effect with feeding a register some code
2016-02-24T06:02:13 < FatalNIX> I need to
2016-02-24T06:02:15 < upgrdman> like on nxp you have to feed 0x55 0xAA iirc to make PLL/oscillator changes
2016-02-24T06:02:37 < upgrdman> err i meant "i've never fucked with that..."
2016-02-24T06:02:47 < FatalNIX> it says here in my documentation that I have to disable it in order to change the MSIRGSEL field
2016-02-24T06:02:50 < FatalNIX> ah
2016-02-24T06:04:14 < FatalNIX> the PLL for MSI is not enabled..
2016-02-24T06:04:42 < FatalNIX> I have no idea wtf it's doing, unles sfor some reason I do need to change it when it is on, but I can't set MSIRGSEL for some reason
2016-02-24T06:04:50 < FatalNIX> it just shuts itself off
2016-02-24T06:05:01 < FatalNIX> I got an STM32L476VG
2016-02-24T06:05:16 < upgrdman> problems like this would lead me to print out the RCC chaper of the ref man, and walk through it with a highlighter
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2016-02-24T06:05:44 < FatalNIX> lol
2016-02-24T06:05:57 < FatalNIX> my lab papers doesn't say anything about it, wtf..
2016-02-24T06:06:01 < FatalNIX> don't*
2016-02-24T06:06:12 < upgrdman> "let's weed out the weak students."
2016-02-24T06:06:29 < FatalNIX> :)
2016-02-24T06:06:41 < FatalNIX> it's just weird though
2016-02-24T06:06:42 < upgrdman> my uni would require calculus and physics in the first year. helped to thin the hurd.
2016-02-24T06:06:49 < FatalNIX> all I am trying to do is set it to an 8Mhz clock
2016-02-24T06:07:01 < FatalNIX> Mine does
2016-02-24T06:08:08 < FatalNIX> well I can cheat I guess and just edit RCC->CSR
2016-02-24T06:11:58 < FatalNIX> Ok wtf. It doesn't let me change MSIRANGE in CSR either
2016-02-24T06:12:14 < upgrdman> when is your project due
2016-02-24T06:14:17 < FatalNIX> technically like, earlier today, been working on it for a while and nobody else had this happen.. I've bassically wiped my main() completely lol
2016-02-24T06:14:20 < FatalNIX> and restarted
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2016-02-24T06:15:36 < upgrdman> common trick in college was to look for classmates' github repos. some would version control their homework :)
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2016-02-24T06:16:53 < FatalNIX> we have a global repository but I'm pretty sure iirc it's all private access
2016-02-24T06:17:24 < FatalNIX> er, not repository but globally accessible gitlab fulkl of repositories
2016-02-24T06:20:27 < bilboquet_> danielson, have you read this : file:///home/afix/embeded/eclipse/How_to_set_up_eclipse_stm32/Getting%20started%20with%20STM32F746G-DISCO.htm
2016-02-24T06:22:10 < upgrdman> lol
2016-02-24T06:22:15 < upgrdman> file:///home/...
2016-02-24T06:22:29 < bilboquet_> lol
2016-02-24T06:22:32 < bilboquet_> oups
2016-02-24T06:23:22 < FatalNIX> :P
2016-02-24T06:25:31 < bilboquet_> http://www.carminenoviello.com/en/2015/07/13/started-stm32f746g-disco/
2016-02-24T06:26:21 < bilboquet_> danielson, i think this link can help you
2016-02-24T06:28:15 < danielson> Thanks
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2016-02-24T06:34:02 < bilboquet_> may be helpful too with cubeMX :  https://github.com/baoshi/CubeMX2Makefile
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2016-02-24T06:38:06 < FatalNIX> wow this is bugging me
2016-02-24T06:38:28 < bilboquet_> https://github.com/xaionaro/CubeMX2Makefile
2016-02-24T06:38:30 < FatalNIX> so I guess disabling MSION is actually not needed. however, no matter what I do I can't set MSIRGSEL to 1
2016-02-24T06:38:40 < FatalNIX> it just sets itself back to 0 but it absolutely has to be 1..
2016-02-24T06:39:05 < FatalNIX> and the reference manual does not say anything about the fact that something else has to be disabled first etc
2016-02-24T06:44:16 < FatalNIX> screw it, CSR is somehow working :P
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2016-02-24T07:10:06 < dongs> more like fail://home
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2016-02-24T07:21:57 < bilboquet_> #usermod -l afix dong
2016-02-24T07:22:58 < dongs> sorry i only speak english
2016-02-24T07:23:01 < bilboquet_> #usermod -l dong afix
2016-02-24T07:25:42 < bilboquet_> make clean
2016-02-24T07:25:48 < bilboquet_> make love
2016-02-24T07:27:07 < dongs> make you shut the fuck up
2016-02-24T07:27:08 < dongs> is best
2016-02-24T07:27:21 < dongs> sup. fixed your leds yet?
2016-02-24T07:28:09 < bilboquet_> yes, led work without my cheat
2016-02-24T07:29:02 < bilboquet_> can test them with my phone
2016-02-24T07:30:47 < bilboquet_> nodejs udp radio raspberry
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2016-02-24T07:42:12 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/FatCarelessDeinonychus
2016-02-24T07:42:36 < dongs> http://tosh.cc.com/blog/files/2016/02/TrainProblems.jpg
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2016-02-24T08:34:11 < crt> gooday stms
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2016-02-24T08:50:54 < crt> https://youtu.be/ex-YkONJLOE?t=6m13s
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2016-02-24T09:51:45 < ReadError> whats pumpin
2016-02-24T09:52:40 < crt> fuckin' bored, no mosfet mate
2016-02-24T09:53:21 < crt> u?
2016-02-24T09:53:59 < ReadError> waking up and starting to pack
2016-02-24T09:54:06 < ReadError> heading to florida
2016-02-24T09:54:28 < crt> are you  going to campaign for trump?
2016-02-24T09:55:00 < ReadError> yea totally
2016-02-24T09:55:06 < crt> cool man
2016-02-24T09:55:29 < crt> i want to visit japan soon
2016-02-24T09:56:36 < crt> i heard ivan has taken refuge in japan
2016-02-24T09:57:30 < crt> major dong is hot on his trail as we speak
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2016-02-24T10:06:30 < crt> Erlauben sie, bitte
2016-02-24T10:07:18 < crt> http://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auction-catalogues/bpi-associates/catalogue-id-bp10865/lot-9ab39dc7-e10a-4324-bf6b-a58600c143c2
2016-02-24T10:16:50 < ^DEMOSS^> hello
2016-02-24T10:17:56 < ^DEMOSS^> what stm low costmcu i can use, that attach 5x5 keypad to i2c interface?
2016-02-24T10:19:06 < zyp> any of them
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2016-02-24T10:19:23 < crt> get a 2 bit mcu
2016-02-24T10:19:25 < crt> that'll do it
2016-02-24T10:21:53 < ^DEMOSS^> what MCU ?
2016-02-24T10:22:29 < crt> is there any restriction on BOM cost?
2016-02-24T10:23:05 < zyp> ^DEMOSS^, any of them, I said
2016-02-24T10:23:14 < zyp> stm32f030 is probably the cheapest
2016-02-24T10:23:26 < ^DEMOSS^> stm32f207 - is no LOW COST mcu
2016-02-24T10:23:27 < crt> how much in 1k qty?
2016-02-24T10:23:52 < ^DEMOSS^> zyp: oh 030, - i try find information about it
2016-02-24T10:23:55 < ^DEMOSS^> thanks
2016-02-24T10:24:21 < ^DEMOSS^> not 1k i need 1-10 not more
2016-02-24T10:24:28 < crt> i see
2016-02-24T10:24:45 < zyp> does price really matter if you only need 10?
2016-02-24T10:24:45 < crt> skys the limit then
2016-02-24T10:25:20 < jpa-> yeah, $1 difference hardly matters for 10 pcs
2016-02-24T10:25:24 < ^DEMOSS^> i have stm32f207zgt6  (lqfp144) - i can attach 1 memory chip and i dysplay chip ( FMSC use ) ?
2016-02-24T10:25:52 < crt> no further comment .. . .. . :S
2016-02-24T10:25:54 < zyp> yes, there's multiple enable lines
2016-02-24T10:25:56 < jpa-> yeah, if it has fsmc; fsmc does have 4 banks
2016-02-24T10:26:12 < zyp> and if you need even more, you can use an external address decoder
2016-02-24T10:26:38 < zyp> some of the waveshare devboards do that
2016-02-24T10:28:03 < jpa-> ^DEMOSS^: read the errata about DMA2 though, if you intend to use DMA for the display
2016-02-24T10:28:07 < ^DEMOSS^> tssop 20 (10 pcs) <7$ )
2016-02-24T10:28:13 < jpa-> otherwise you'll get corrupted graphics quite easily
2016-02-24T10:28:47 < ^DEMOSS^> zyp: oh thank for information
2016-02-24T10:29:02 < crt> thank jpa too
2016-02-24T10:29:03 < crt> :P
2016-02-24T10:29:12 < ^DEMOSS^> zyp: and last - in lqfp 208 - i have 4 banks FMSC too or more ?
2016-02-24T10:30:01 < ^DEMOSS^> sorry for my english - i do not use tranlator)
2016-02-24T10:32:21 < jpa-> the same
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2016-02-24T10:36:31 < ^DEMOSS^> Wow - i find information about Stm32f429bi - it is amazing !
2016-02-24T10:36:42 < crt> http://i.imgur.com/D4u8sHj.jpg
2016-02-24T10:36:51 < crt> the 429 is hardcore
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2016-02-24T10:39:07 < crt> best thing since the lm10
2016-02-24T10:39:22 < jpa-> F7 is a bit of a letdown because of the cache etc. complexity that makes it hard to take advantage of the full performance
2016-02-24T10:40:22 < crt> i didn't look into that unit
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2016-02-24T10:40:29 < crt> shame to hear
2016-02-24T10:41:00 < crt> i want that fairchild shirt
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2016-02-24T10:41:09 < zyp> jpa-, is it?
2016-02-24T10:41:40 < zyp> I thought the point of the cache was to make it easier to take advantage of the full performance, by reducing the external memory bottleneck
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2016-02-24T10:41:54 < crt> is the cache large?
2016-02-24T10:42:09 < jpa-> zyp: haven't actually used much, but reading chibios forums it seems; e.g. you need to flush cache before and after DMA operations to ensure consistency
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2016-02-24T10:42:16 < jpa-> crt: 4kB IIRC
2016-02-24T10:42:20 < crt> i see
2016-02-24T10:42:28 < zyp> I'd expect f7 to perform much better than f4 in an application that makes extensive use of external memory
2016-02-24T10:43:08 < jpa-> hm yeah, that's probably its niche
2016-02-24T10:43:48 < jpa-> though naturally it will perform atleast as good as F4 for anything, so just a question whether the price is worth it
2016-02-24T10:44:01 < ^DEMOSS^> yep. i try to start stmf103 - it is not so easy as i think in my start
2016-02-24T10:44:40 < ^DEMOSS^> i am not programmer. I am HW ingeneer. But now i do not have a friend-programmer and start lern it now ^)
2016-02-24T10:45:23 < crt> i wanna be an ingeneer too
2016-02-24T10:45:41  * jpa- casts crt into an integer
2016-02-24T10:45:42 < crt> good thing time to market > BOM cost for yo
2016-02-24T10:45:44 < jpa-> you're welcome
2016-02-24T10:45:45 < crt> *you
2016-02-24T10:46:34 < ^DEMOSS^> as i am solution manager - i can rework ready projects. i cut a block of code - modify it and use in my project ( Arduino is easy to use  whith that method)
2016-02-24T10:46:49 < ^DEMOSS^> But stm - it is not arduino
2016-02-24T10:47:10 < jpa-> try mbed :P
2016-02-24T10:48:04 < crt> i wish i was an x
2016-02-24T10:48:23 < ^DEMOSS^> It is MORE interesting, powerfull, stable... Whery good chip's to start lerning and production
2016-02-24T10:48:48 < crt> man you have time to read up on this stuff right?!
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2016-02-24T10:49:32 < ^DEMOSS^> yes
2016-02-24T10:51:39 < crt> make it fun times
2016-02-24T10:51:42 < crt> i love reading stuff
2016-02-24T10:52:03 < crt> so much cool stuff to research and discover with engineering / mcus / whatever
2016-02-24T10:52:14 < ^DEMOSS^> now i lo ve read stm specification
2016-02-24T10:52:44 < crt> okay
2016-02-24T10:53:09 < crt> the only thing i complain about is lead times for parts
2016-02-24T10:53:30 < ^DEMOSS^> crt: i repair sattelit TV reciver some times ago ( General Sattelit ) DVB-T - it is stm MCU general processor there )
2016-02-24T10:53:43 < crt> aha
2016-02-24T10:53:45 < ^DEMOSS^> lqfp 208 big monster )
2016-02-24T10:53:51 < crt> yeah i've seen those
2016-02-24T10:54:02 < crt> stm32, hitachi sh-2, pic32, chingy chang etc
2016-02-24T10:55:13 < crt> i blew up the soldering iron salesman
2016-02-24T10:55:30 < crt> bought in a JBC precision and warped the board picking of a lqfp208
2016-02-24T10:55:52 < ^DEMOSS^> now, when i repair some phones\ computers and other  - i looking for stm chips there... and find. More chips
2016-02-24T10:56:01 < crt> k
2016-02-24T10:56:41 < ^DEMOSS^> I never thought that they are so popular
2016-02-24T10:56:46 < crt> mmm
2016-02-24T10:56:51 < crt> well what do you kno
2016-02-24T10:57:02 < crt> i see a lot of adi blackfins
2016-02-24T10:57:06 < crt> makes me spew inside
2016-02-24T10:57:18 < zyp> heh, in what?
2016-02-24T10:57:36 < crt> pioneer djm900nxs - they use a big bga one for usb
2016-02-24T10:57:38 < crt> what the fuck
2016-02-24T10:58:08 < ^DEMOSS^> crt: ADI ? What is this ?
2016-02-24T10:58:09 < crt> even if i could replace the bga (which i almost can) think i can get firmware onto it?
2016-02-24T10:58:13 < crt> analog devices
2016-02-24T10:58:28 < crt> it's like adi are giving these things away
2016-02-24T10:58:39 < crt> lots of mackie (loud technologies) dsp cards have this shit
2016-02-24T10:59:04 < ^DEMOSS^> or - aDi it is older and popular chips for all DAP\ ADP items
2016-02-24T10:59:23 < crt> wat
2016-02-24T11:00:01 < crt> i just can't fathom why such a dsp is needed for 2 digital filters
2016-02-24T11:00:09 < crt> or usb support
2016-02-24T11:00:45 < zyp> "eh, why not"
2016-02-24T11:00:51 < crt> yeah exactly.
2016-02-24T11:01:31 < crt> few audio processors i do warranty claims on are still using motorola 56xxx dsps
2016-02-24T11:01:37 < crt> hardcore shit hey
2016-02-24T11:02:04 < ^DEMOSS^> =)
2016-02-24T11:03:41 < crt> cats
2016-02-24T11:03:49 < ^DEMOSS^> crt: as i can keep in mind, ADI is top popular in middle-end oscilloscope
2016-02-24T11:03:55 < crt> oka
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2016-02-24T11:04:02 < crt> perhaps
2016-02-24T11:04:18 < crt> digital signal processing could fit right into that application
2016-02-24T11:04:37 < crt> i would suspect most of those uses just tie in with mundane MCU tasks
2016-02-24T11:04:52 < ^DEMOSS^> crt: you are service ingeneer ? You are repair technics too ?
2016-02-24T11:05:32 < crt> i service
2016-02-24T11:05:42 < crt> have engineer qualifications, prefer to do my own  thing
2016-02-24T11:05:57 < crt> i'm not going to take a job where i do paperwork all day
2016-02-24T11:06:39 < crt> i remember at my internship a folder which was a clusterfuck of gibberish
2016-02-24T11:06:40 < dongs> damn that nick is annoying as shit
2016-02-24T11:06:40 < crt> guh
2016-02-24T11:06:46 < crt> mine?
2016-02-24T11:07:02 < dongs> almost right up tehre with Xo^DONGS^oX or somethign
2016-02-24T11:07:09 < crt> oh demoss
2016-02-24T11:07:10 < crt> right.
2016-02-24T11:07:12 < dongs> no the all-caps-with-carets guy
2016-02-24T11:07:37 < crt> what took you so long anyway dongs?
2016-02-24T11:07:39 < dongs> irc should force lowercase on all nicks
2016-02-24T11:07:45 < dongs> innovation
2016-02-24T11:07:46 < crt> i agree.
2016-02-24T11:07:50 < crt> well that's good to hear.
2016-02-24T11:08:04 < zyp> what are you innovating today?
2016-02-24T11:08:04 < dongs> looking for single chip CVBS>HDMI
2016-02-24T11:08:14 < crt> composite ??#@FKDSFG
2016-02-24T11:08:16 < crt> what.
2016-02-24T11:08:31 < ^DEMOSS^> it is good. i have qualification to service and repair  digital and radio technics. iam 5 years work in srvice centr and repairs digital technics, and 9 years working whith system administration\ integration\virtualization and ETC.
2016-02-24T11:08:37 < dongs> some faggot custoemrs have 480i cvbs input
2016-02-24T11:08:44 < dongs> it fucks up the monitor using cheap realtek chipset
2016-02-24T11:08:44 < crt> disgusting.
2016-02-24T11:08:49 < crt> yeah
2016-02-24T11:08:58 < dongs> it works with 480p/component, but 480i needs line doubling/scaling
2016-02-24T11:09:03 < crt> 480i is putrid.
2016-02-24T11:09:07 < crt> yes i see that
2016-02-24T11:09:30 < dongs> 9 years working with lunix
2016-02-24T11:09:33 < dongs> i'd probably suicide
2016-02-24T11:09:35 < dongs> .. after 9months
2016-02-24T11:09:36 < crt> same
2016-02-24T11:09:45 < crt> it's fucked
2016-02-24T11:10:15 < crt> be good for winter when your gpu is pegging to draw the desktop
2016-02-24T11:10:32 < dongs> but wobbly windows
2016-02-24T11:13:04 < ^DEMOSS^> But now i wanna build buisness in my town and I decided to return to a favorite cause. I love electronics. And now I want to do to the device.
2016-02-24T11:13:39 < crt> okay
2016-02-24T11:13:47 < crt> i love doing the device, so does my girlfriend
2016-02-24T11:14:11 < ^DEMOSS^> does anybody work with f207\f429 - what resolution of dysplay they work good ?
2016-02-24T11:14:24 < crt> shh
2016-02-24T11:14:31 < ^DEMOSS^> display*
2016-02-24T11:15:03 < zyp> I tend to use little 1x1 displays
2016-02-24T11:15:08 < zyp> I think they are called leds
2016-02-24T11:15:14 < crt> 20ma unit yeah
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2016-02-24T11:16:06 < ^DEMOSS^> i mean i have 1280x800 7' panel - can i construct interface with that resolution without lags /
2016-02-24T11:17:16 < zyp> I think the new ones with MIPI-DSI might be able to handle that
2016-02-24T11:17:27 < zyp> f469?
2016-02-24T11:18:18 < ^DEMOSS^> zyp: hmm i go to read spec for that... moment
2016-02-24T11:19:42 < dongs> it will drive 720p over DSI, doesn't mean it will be n ice
2016-02-24T11:20:58 < zyp> will it have lags?
2016-02-24T11:21:20 < dongs> i donno, thats a lot of bandwidth to do 30 or 60fps
2016-02-24T11:21:26 < dongs> framebuffer in sdram?
2016-02-24T11:21:34 < ^DEMOSS^> nay be
2016-02-24T11:21:37 < ^DEMOSS^> may*
2016-02-24T11:21:37 < dongs> sounds like it will be laggy as shit
2016-02-24T11:21:44 < ^DEMOSS^> ((
2016-02-24T11:22:33 < ^DEMOSS^> you think 469 cant work with 720p whithout lag dongs:
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2016-02-24T11:24:21 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/jLYiwke.jpg zyp's new tatoo
2016-02-24T11:24:33 < ^DEMOSS^> i see some example for use fmc + sdram+display. i try to find it again, i need know with what resolution they work
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2016-02-24T11:24:59 < crt> do the math motherfker
2016-02-24T11:25:09 < crt> http://i.imgur.com/D4u8sHj.jpg
2016-02-24T11:25:11 < zyp> dongs, is that "baka gaijin"?
2016-02-24T11:25:20 < zyp> I recognize horse, but not the second kanji
2016-02-24T11:25:43 < crt> whip out dem romajiis
2016-02-24T11:25:52 < dongs> zyp, yea
2016-02-24T11:26:03 < zyp> crt, I'm too cool for that
2016-02-24T11:26:14 < crt> i'm not, i sucked at kanji
2016-02-24T11:26:31 < crt> i still want to learn jp
2016-02-24T11:27:14 < crt> nihon go
2016-02-24T11:27:41 < zyp> what's stopping you?
2016-02-24T11:27:55 < crt> laziness to be honest
2016-02-24T11:28:00 < dongs> too fucking stoned
2016-02-24T11:28:01 < crt> just like stm32'n it up
2016-02-24T11:28:09 < crt> nah haven't smoked mull since i was 21
2016-02-24T11:28:13 < dongs> < crt> just like pump'n it up
2016-02-24T11:28:19 < crt> oh dong.
2016-02-24T11:28:19 < dongs> ftfy
2016-02-24T11:28:24 < crt> you're so mean to me
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2016-02-24T11:28:51 < crt> honestly i need to find a way to stop the factory stealing me for 6 days a week
2016-02-24T11:29:11 < crt> can't somebody else be competent enough to fix this garbage
2016-02-24T11:29:25 < dongs> make shit that doesnt break
2016-02-24T11:29:26 < dongs> problem solved
2016-02-24T11:29:40 < crt> out of my control unfortunately
2016-02-24T11:29:53 < crt> you're in jp tell pioneer to step up their game.
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2016-02-24T11:30:08 < crt> their pro dj range need to be drink proof
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2016-02-24T11:31:46 < crt> also ask them why their flagship mixer does this - http://i.imgur.com/Dy9a95m.jpg
2016-02-24T11:32:18 < crt> that blowout chewed up 2 traces aswell.
2016-02-24T11:32:19 < dongs> what am i looking at
2016-02-24T11:32:30 < crt> the main out blew its shit.
2016-02-24T11:32:41 < karlp> I tel you what, using the usb2uart on the stlink 2.1, it's pretty flakey compared to a standalone cp210x or ft232 dongle.
2016-02-24T11:32:42 < crt> some zener clamp and capacitor
2016-02-24T11:32:48 < dongs> like left of that brown cap?
2016-02-24T11:32:57 < crt> yes
2016-02-24T11:33:08 < crt> there are some clamping zeners there and a cap
2016-02-24T11:34:03 < crt> i also replaced 'takamisawa' because it copped the force which blew 2 tracks
2016-02-24T11:34:27 < zyp> karlp, shitty buffering?
2016-02-24T11:35:03 < crt> but hey, the old girl lives to see another day... beats charging the sook $504.30 for a new board
2016-02-24T11:39:30 < crt> was 2004 the year of the IGBT
2016-02-24T11:40:20 < karlp> zyp: I guess. ends up mangled chars, have to unplug/replug
2016-02-24T11:40:42 < karlp> let my colleague get a nucleo to be his programmer+usb2uart, thought it woudl be simpler and less pieces.
2016-02-24T11:40:53 < karlp> has proven a little flaky.
2016-02-24T11:40:58 < crt> why does people put IGBT in SMSP
2016-02-24T11:41:01 < karlp> so now he's got mine, and I've got his.
2016-02-24T11:41:02 < crt> *SMPS
2016-02-24T11:41:19 < crt> motor drives i'd understand
2016-02-24T11:41:52 < crt> 'can withstand 20us short circuit'
2016-02-24T11:41:54 < crt> oh nice.
2016-02-24T11:44:35 < crt> what can you guys get done in 20us?
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2016-02-24T12:17:24 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/blWJht9.jpg
2016-02-24T12:18:34 < dongs> futureschoolshooter.jpg
2016-02-24T12:18:38 < dongs> attn Laurenceb
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2016-02-24T12:26:42 < ReadError> loool
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2016-02-24T12:41:19 < dongs> < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/blWJht9.jpg attn Laurenceb_
2016-02-24T12:41:41 < Laurenceb_> stopped reading at girlfriend
2016-02-24T12:41:43 < Laurenceb_> so fake
2016-02-24T12:42:34 < Laurenceb_> lol "Jew? Hope not"
2016-02-24T12:42:59 < dongs> k
2016-02-24T12:44:09 < Laurenceb_> lol @ Clarkson
2016-02-24T12:44:22 < Laurenceb_>  UKP100k compensation for calling a paddy a paddy
2016-02-24T12:44:41 < Laurenceb_> <-1/2 paddy, I'd better get claiming
2016-02-24T12:45:59 < Laurenceb_> guaranteed income
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2016-02-24T13:34:14 < ^DEMOSS^> anybody use stm32 whith some GPS module \ gsm module ?
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2016-02-24T14:01:43 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Embedded-systems-design-9747986/ ???
2016-02-24T14:06:13 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/The-writing-some-software/ this guy can fuck right off
2016-02-24T14:07:07 < ReadError> lol can he have a more generic description
2016-02-24T14:07:15 < ReadError> "IoT device with ARM"
2016-02-24T14:07:17 < dongs> the 2nd one is better
2016-02-24T14:07:45 < dongs> if dicklancer didn't have limited bids for free members I'd bid 5k on that one
2016-02-24T14:07:48 < ReadError> haha for 10-30$
2016-02-24T14:07:49 < ReadError> gtfo
2016-02-24T14:08:04 < dongs> thats about the minimum I'd want for even looking at that shit
2016-02-24T14:08:19 < dongs> he wants emdbeed side AND PC side done
2016-02-24T14:08:26 < dongs> like fuck right off.
2016-02-24T14:08:48 < ReadError> does he think peoples time is that worthless?
2016-02-24T14:11:31 < dongs> i'm sure he just forgot to put 2 extra zeros there
2016-02-24T14:11:57 < dongs> maybe used wrong exchange rate from wahever his local currency is
2016-02-24T14:12:07 < dongs> 2000000 paki dollars??? oh, thats only $30
2016-02-24T14:14:02 < dongs> https://vid.me/8c4j lol niggers
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2016-02-24T14:22:22 < qyx> no more atmel m7
2016-02-24T14:23:21 < qyx> I wonder why does he request NAND flash
2016-02-24T14:23:38 < qyx> he would need to have all the FTL things implemented
2016-02-24T14:29:37 < Laurenceb> wait wut
2016-02-24T14:29:49 < Laurenceb> microchip cancelled stuff?
2016-02-24T14:30:02 < karlp> what, are you surprised?
2016-02-24T14:30:09  * Laurenceb checks atmel site
2016-02-24T14:30:11 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2016-02-24T14:30:18 < Laurenceb> atmel is dead
2016-02-24T14:30:37 < Laurenceb> lol they are still pushing avr32
2016-02-24T14:30:51 < jpa-> what did microchip cancel?
2016-02-24T14:31:01 < Laurenceb> some of the arm micros
2016-02-24T14:31:13 < Laurenceb> too much competition for pic32
2016-02-24T14:32:59 < Simon--> failmega8 forever
2016-02-24T14:40:45 < Taxman> they are on the embedded world exhibition this week. probably their last exhibition
2016-02-24T14:48:59 < dongs> hahaha
2016-02-24T14:49:05 < dongs> link to cancelled m7
2016-02-24T15:00:07 < qyx> no link, just trolling
2016-02-24T15:00:38 < qyx> although Laurenceb found something apparently
2016-02-24T15:01:19 < zyp> pic32 arduinos when?
2016-02-24T15:01:25 < dongs> er
2016-02-24T15:01:31 < dongs> existed forever
2016-02-24T15:01:36 < dongs> chipkit something
2016-02-24T15:01:41 < zyp> :p
2016-02-24T15:01:54 < dongs> http://chipkit.net/wpcproduct/chipkit-uno32/
2016-02-24T15:01:55 < dongs> such aids
2016-02-24T15:02:29 < zyp> oh, right, I've seen that
2016-02-24T15:04:01 < Sync> wat
2016-02-24T15:04:46 < dongs> theres a whoel bunch of dick32 tarduinos
2016-02-24T15:21:09 < BrainDamage> found laurenceb project https://github.com/wooorm/alex
2016-02-24T15:21:56 < Laurenceb> haha thats pretty Poe
2016-02-24T15:22:58 < Laurenceb> Profanities, the least of which being butt.
2016-02-24T15:23:04 < Laurenceb> dickbutt confirmed
2016-02-24T15:23:53 < Sync> wtf
2016-02-24T15:24:01 < Sync> haas uses a dallas RTC chip thing
2016-02-24T15:27:21 < Laurenceb> holy shit http://motherboard-images.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/25261/1441222508253695.gif
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2016-02-24T15:31:19 < Laurenceb> nsfw https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2016/Feb/21/LiveLeak-dot-com-675_1456050340-364px-Howtheottomanempirewasbuilt_1456050356.jpg.resized.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd2904e46d9d26e4b&ec_rate=230
2016-02-24T15:33:13 < englishman> lol @ github Laurenceb
2016-02-24T15:33:18 < englishman> you posted something funny for once
2016-02-24T16:23:31 < dongs> http://imgur.com/gallery/yapFK
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2016-02-24T16:36:37 < ReadMobl> Link ?
2016-02-24T16:41:49 < ReadMobl> Oh lol
2016-02-24T16:41:55 < dongs> yeah the shithub thing.
2016-02-24T16:42:06 < dongs> soon tehy might as well just move to sjwhub.com
2016-02-24T16:42:10 < dongs> and drop the "git" part
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2016-02-24T16:49:08 < Laurenceb> lol USA got Trumped
2016-02-24T16:55:05 < Sync> 0o
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2016-02-24T16:58:19 < Laurenceb> I'll be lolling when he reveals its all a troll and brings in Hillary as replacement
2016-02-24T16:58:35 < Laurenceb> its the only explanation that makes any sense
2016-02-24T16:59:12 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/NqRsl7M
2016-02-24T16:59:35 < Laurenceb> Trump/Hillary for President
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2016-02-24T17:15:27 < Sync> well dongs something like sjw signal-boost instead of git push?
2016-02-24T17:17:41 < englishman> force push is triggering
2016-02-24T17:19:05 < aandrew> actually I heard something kind of enlightening on the radio this morning about that
2016-02-24T17:19:48 < aandrew> Trump's doing so well because he's not establishment and there are enough americans who are saying, "to hell with all of this, I've got a match, let's light it up and let it burn."
2016-02-24T17:20:15 < aandrew> it's a lot like how our PM got into office this time
2016-02-24T17:20:16 < Sync> #yolo
2016-02-24T17:20:43 < aandrew> it was not so much "yay Trudeau" but more of "enough of Harper, who's got the best chance of winning to get this assclown out?"
2016-02-24T17:21:42 < englishman> eh there were a lot of trudeau lovers
2016-02-24T17:22:01 < englishman> dudes a huge wanker tho
2016-02-24T17:22:22 < aandrew> not THAT many
2016-02-24T17:22:32 < dongs> does anyone even carea bout candian politics
2016-02-24T17:22:43 < englishman> some people in ontario doo
2016-02-24T17:22:43 < aandrew> I supported him first and foremost because I want FPTP gone and second because I wanted Harper out
2016-02-24T17:23:23 < aandrew> I don't think he's got great ideas. I don't think he's going to actually drop TPP, I don't think he's some second coming of jesus
2016-02-24T17:23:42 < englishman> and there is 0% chance of weed being legal in next 10 years
2016-02-24T17:23:53 < aandrew> lol I don't give a shit about that
2016-02-24T17:24:04 < englishman> as bc's largest industry, many do tho
2016-02-24T17:24:14 < englishman> bigger than foresty, oil and high tech combined.
2016-02-24T17:24:26 < aandrew> yeah, I believe that.
2016-02-24T17:26:11 < Laurenceb> the Saudi of Weed
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2016-02-24T17:37:18 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/ejnjtkY.gifv
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2016-02-24T17:50:44 < Laurenceb> What is GNU social?
2016-02-24T17:50:44 < Laurenceb> GNU social is a continuation of the StatusNet project. It is social communication software for both public and private communications. It is widely supported and has a large userbase. It is already used by the Free Software Foundation, and Richard Stallman himself.
2016-02-24T17:50:50 < Laurenceb> stallman ... social
2016-02-24T17:51:06 < aandrew> I run gnu social
2016-02-24T17:51:18 < aandrew> used to run status.net
2016-02-24T17:51:24 < jon1012__> Laurenceb, he is a nice guy that talks easily, so yeah kind of social :)
2016-02-24T17:51:27 < aandrew> it's for a private internal system
2016-02-24T17:51:52 < aandrew> basically I use it as a "mental dbus" where I can throw shit in it and it's logged. primarily for timesheet info but I've put all kinds of things in there
2016-02-24T17:51:59 < Laurenceb> cool
2016-02-24T17:52:06 < aandrew> the idea is to eventually have little agents or scripts that read the data coming in the stream and try to make sense of it
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2016-02-24T17:52:30 < aandrew> e.g. a timesheet agent which tries to throw posts that look like timesheet entries into a specific place, another one for reminders or interesting URLs or whatever
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2016-02-24T17:57:45 < trepidacious> Does anyone have a way of magically getting pricing for a Sony IMX244 sensor? Their distributor can't seem to be bothered to reply :)
2016-02-24T17:58:51 < dongs> > sony
2016-02-24T17:58:52 < dongs> > jap company
2016-02-24T17:58:56 < dongs> > distributor not replying
2016-02-24T17:59:00 < dongs> business as usaul bro
2016-02-24T17:59:05 < dongs> welcome to my day
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2016-02-24T17:59:15 < aandrew> is it because your gaijin?
2016-02-24T17:59:19 < dongs> i wish
2016-02-24T17:59:20 < aandrew> or just gai?
2016-02-24T17:59:24 < dongs> the latter.
2016-02-24T18:00:02 < trepidacious> dongs: I thought you might have a secret backdoor contact ;)
2016-02-24T18:00:05 < dongs> aandrew: no, my jap pals who make proper consumer electronics are met with the same wall of dumb
2016-02-24T18:00:09 < dongs> thats why most of thier R&D is in taiwan
2016-02-24T18:00:10 < kakimir> should slot in jst connector be towards edge of board or towards center of the board
2016-02-24T18:00:16 < kakimir> ?
2016-02-24T18:00:23 < dongs> kakimir: i prefer towards the edge
2016-02-24T18:00:57 < Laurenceb> gaijin you say
2016-02-24T18:00:59 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FYuYkPgDkk
2016-02-24T18:01:01 < dongs> like -\___/- cutout facing out
2016-02-24T18:01:17 < aandrew> hm that reminds me, I should get a bunch of lipo cells
2016-02-24T18:01:52 < aandrew> dongs: thanks again for that usb micro connector part number that doesn't suck. I love these little things, although I still hate the connector itself
2016-02-24T18:02:09 < dongs> yeah.
2016-02-24T18:02:24 < karlp> which one is this now?
2016-02-24T18:02:28 < dongs> psh
2016-02-24T18:02:31 < dongs> top sectret
2016-02-24T18:02:35 < dongs> readcloner will clone it
2016-02-24T18:02:50 < karlp> bah, was just going to update teh zypsnips,
2016-02-24T18:03:01 < karlp> FCI 10103594-0001LFI
2016-02-24T18:03:13 < dongs> thats the old one
2016-02-24T18:03:16 < dongs> its also not bad
2016-02-24T18:03:48 < aandrew> FCI 10103594
2016-02-24T18:03:51 < aandrew> yeah
2016-02-24T18:03:53 < dongs> you should update it anyway cuz its LF not -I
2016-02-24T18:04:01 < dongs> i must have copypasted it wiht TAB
2016-02-24T18:04:02 < dongs> lolz
2016-02-24T18:04:07 < aandrew> FCI 10118193 is another but only has a couple pins instead of 4
2016-02-24T18:04:09 < dongs> and fucking LUNIX CHATS failsd it
2016-02-24T18:04:51 < karlp> so which one is aandrew loving? FCI 10103594-0001LF or the ..8193?
2016-02-24T18:05:06 < dongs> 3594
2016-02-24T18:05:19 < karlp> ok, that's what was already in zypsnips then.
2016-02-24T18:05:29 < dongs> i've probly used 10-15k of them by now. maybe more.
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2016-02-24T18:08:05 < Laurenceb> lol the comments on that video
2016-02-24T18:08:10 < Laurenceb> Asian "men" have Tic Tac (Tiny Insignificant Creepy Tiny Asian Cock) 7 months ago
2016-02-24T18:08:10 < Laurenceb> According to a recent study, a quarter of jap men are still virgin in their 30s
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2016-02-24T18:08:34 < zyp> maybe you should move there to fit in?
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2016-02-24T18:09:02 < karlp> ooooh
2016-02-24T18:09:12 < Laurenceb> trolol
2016-02-24T18:12:41 < aandrew> the 4 pin one
2016-02-24T18:12:45 < aandrew> MOAR ANCHOR
2016-02-24T18:15:12 < karlp> thank you for those wise words.
2016-02-24T18:21:22 < dongs> i picked up a logiotech gt force pro at junkshop for $25. it didnt come wiht DC adapter (needed 24V @ 700mA) and label said it wasn't working.
2016-02-24T18:21:35 < dongs> plugged it into 24V from my power supply, and into windows 10, and it seems to be working just fine
2016-02-24T18:21:38 < Laurenceb> https://vid.me/aUSh/russian-minecraft-girl-has-meltdown-on-twitch
2016-02-24T18:24:16 < dongs> i tihnk r2com already posted that
2016-02-24T18:24:20 < dongs> that or upgdman
2016-02-24T18:26:18 < Laurenceb> it probably is r2com
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2016-02-24T18:31:57 < dongs> http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/japan-admits-27-refugees-two-already-arrested-for-gang-rape/ when did Laurenceb come to japan
2016-02-24T18:35:39 < karlp> what did the junkshop think it was doing then? "doesn't work, missing parts, still $25" ?
2016-02-24T18:36:02 < dongs> no idea, they just s ell junk
2016-02-24T18:36:09 < dongs> it averages around $70 for a working version on auctions
2016-02-24T18:36:22 < dongs> so 25 for a working one  is a deal
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2016-02-24T18:37:04 < dongs> tehy dont generally test it beyond plug in, see what happe,s and if its some oddball hardware tehy dont know how to use, dont evne bother with that
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2016-02-24T19:17:02 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKWlBKTmRDLXltWFE/view?usp=sharing smas... such waste of space
2016-02-24T19:18:16 < dongs> lolll
2016-02-24T19:18:17 < dongs> SMA for PWM out
2016-02-24T19:18:21 < dongs> what hte fuck
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2016-02-24T19:18:29 < dongs> kikemir what hte hell are you on
2016-02-24T19:18:53 < aandrew> it's for emi :-)
2016-02-24T19:19:20 < Laurenceb> y u so 3d
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2016-02-24T19:29:37 < karlp> hehe, samsung relying on st keeping their urls stable.  good luck with that: https://github.com/Samsung/jerryscript/blob/master/tools/prerequisites.sh#L121
2016-02-24T19:29:56 < dongs> lol.
2016-02-24T19:30:15 < karlp> "only a few kbs of ram! (<64kb!)"
2016-02-24T19:30:48 < dongs> wtf is it?
2016-02-24T19:30:58 < dongs> Ultra-lightweight JavaScript engine for Internet of Things. http://www.jerryscript.net
2016-02-24T19:31:01 < dongs> lol.
2016-02-24T19:31:15 < dongs> ffs why
2016-02-24T19:32:20 < karlp> what, you've never wanted to print hellow world by firing up a js interpreter? http://samsung.github.io/jerryscript/API/#jerryrunsimple
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2016-02-24T19:50:22 < FatalNIX> phew. So I -sorta- was able to get things working
2016-02-24T19:50:30 < FatalNIX> the only thing I can't do now is just enable the MSIRGSEL bit
2016-02-24T19:50:50 < FatalNIX> but it's not fighting with me to set the MSIRANGE
2016-02-24T19:50:56 < FatalNIX> anymore*
2016-02-24T19:53:29 < FatalNIX> There is nothing in the reference manual for the L476VG DISCO about anything that has to be done befor eMSIRGSEL can be enabled.. but does anyone happen to have seen anything like this
2016-02-24T19:53:33 < FatalNIX> ?*
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2016-02-24T20:16:36 < FatalNIX> That's weird too. the interrupt goes to fire and just goes into "PENDING" and never calls the handler or does anything
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2016-02-24T20:47:32 < karlp> FatalNIX: what are yo uactually trying to do? just cahnge the MSI clock speed or what?
2016-02-24T20:55:10 < FatalNIX> karlp, yeah. I need to set it to 8Mhz, and so I set MSIREG and that stays put, but to use the MSIREG in RCC_CR I have to set MSIRGSEL to 1, and when I do it just says NOPE (I watched it in the debugger, it just shuts itself back off)...
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2016-02-24T21:10:32 < karlp> FatalNIX: try explain this further?
2016-02-24T21:14:47 < FatalNIX> Sure. So basically, this is my function that sets up the MSI clock. The STM32L476VG enables MSI by default, so all I gotta do is be double sure that MSI is ready
2016-02-24T21:14:48 < FatalNIX> 	0925149
2016-02-24T21:14:49 < FatalNIX> oops
2016-02-24T21:14:53 < FatalNIX> http://hastebin.com/kelolidisu.coffee
2016-02-24T21:15:54 < FatalNIX> everything here works except that on line 8 here that line does absolutely nothing. So I went in a debugger and stepped into the function and then checked the bit for it in the monitor and it just reverted it back to 0...
2016-02-24T21:23:39 < qyx> such sma obsession
2016-02-24T21:25:54 < FatalNIX> SMA?
2016-02-24T21:31:19 < Steffanx> kakimir has at least 5 SMA connectors in his pcb designs FatalNIX
2016-02-24T21:31:31 < Steffanx> all totally unneccessary
2016-02-24T21:32:53 < FatalNIX> OH, I thought you were talking about something I did
2016-02-24T21:32:54 < FatalNIX> lol
2016-02-24T21:33:06 < FatalNIX> well SMA is good for relatively high power at high frequencies
2016-02-24T21:33:36 < FatalNIX> so maybe it's part of the design?
2016-02-24T21:33:54 < kakimir> those are "in case" smas
2016-02-24T21:33:59 < FatalNIX> easier to match impedence of some things .. oh
2016-02-24T21:34:04 < FatalNIX> LOL
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2016-02-24T21:38:26 < BrainDamage> not necessarily high power, howrever they have gigantic bandwith
2016-02-24T21:38:37 < BrainDamage> and are pretty much standard in test instrumentation
2016-02-24T21:38:51 < BrainDamage> and in beakmir's designs
2016-02-24T21:39:20 < FatalNIX> BrainDamage, that's what it was!
2016-02-24T21:39:26 < FatalNIX> lol, it was on my HAM radio exam
2016-02-24T21:39:46 < FatalNIX> most of my antennas use SO-239
2016-02-24T21:39:57 < FatalNIX> but that's a big connector
2016-02-24T21:40:20 < BrainDamage> about 1cm diameter
2016-02-24T21:40:38 < BrainDamage> the sma
2016-02-24T21:41:07 < BrainDamage> the so-239 is an abomination that shouldn't exist
2016-02-24T21:42:01 < FatalNIX> :)
2016-02-24T21:42:12 < FatalNIX> it's kinda nice because I can fit it into a copper pipe
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2016-02-24T21:52:38 < gxti> death to so239
2016-02-24T21:55:26 < aandrew> oh man I remember SO239 from my dad's ham radio equipment
2016-02-24T21:56:01 < kakimir> there is no pwmout dongs
2016-02-24T21:56:06 < kakimir> pwm in
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2016-02-24T21:59:28 < kakimir> I dont get it what tou need pwm for
2016-02-24T21:59:51 < kakimir> when there is analog th
2016-02-24T22:03:04 < Steffanx> poor kakimir
2016-02-24T22:07:01 < FatalNIX> sigh
2016-02-24T22:07:10 < FatalNIX> I wish we used 6502s in my arch class
2016-02-24T22:07:22 < FatalNIX> they are a lot less grumpy
2016-02-24T22:07:53 < FatalNIX> I guess I can forgive the MSI part for now if that isn't an issue, itl just run at 4Mhz for now. big deal
2016-02-24T22:08:08 < FatalNIX> But I really need to figure out why I can't get interrupts to fire for SysTick
2016-02-24T22:15:12 < FatalNIX> kinda neat though, I can go into the NVIC window in Keil and I can uncheck the pending checkbox and itl check when it loops over so it looks like the IRQ is being shot off but it never makes it to the IRQ handler function..
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2016-02-24T22:25:47 < kakimir> wow
2016-02-24T22:26:01 < kakimir> I just had an enlightenment
2016-02-24T22:26:37 < Steffanx> the window manager?
2016-02-24T22:26:57 < kakimir> some of my jumper3s are without true need to have
2016-02-24T22:27:06 < kakimir> because series resistance to mcu
2016-02-24T22:27:09 < Steffanx> lies
2016-02-24T22:27:17 < kakimir> external driver can overcome it
2016-02-24T22:27:38 < kakimir> very good Steffanx.. this get's betters
2016-02-24T22:28:06 < Steffanx> You should do sma jumpers
2016-02-24T22:28:21 < kakimir> I need something to replace sma
2016-02-24T22:28:28 < kakimir> it should be as good as sma
2016-02-24T22:28:38 < kakimir> but a bit smalle
2016-02-24T22:28:41 < kakimir> r
2016-02-24T22:29:35 < Steffanx> Time to go u.fl
2016-02-24T22:29:48 < englishman> lol
2016-02-24T22:30:04 < kakimir> something not quite that yet
2016-02-24T22:30:18 < kakimir> it would be popular of course
2016-02-24T22:30:33 < Steffanx> invent the kakimir connector
2016-02-24T22:30:34 < kakimir> easy to get in inexpensives
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2016-02-24T22:31:34 < englishman> mmcx
2016-02-24T22:31:49 < kakimir> mini?
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2016-02-24T22:33:27 < kakimir> yes
2016-02-24T22:33:28 < kakimir> micro
2016-02-24T22:33:59 < kakimir> invented in godly year of 1990
2016-02-24T22:35:17 < Steffanx> Where you even born in that year?
2016-02-24T22:36:26 < kakimir> yes
2016-02-24T22:36:34 < kakimir> were you even?
2016-02-24T22:37:47 < kakimir> cmon
2016-02-24T22:39:15 < Steffanx> i was, yes
2016-02-24T22:39:17 < FatalNIX> LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
2016-02-24T22:39:19 < FatalNIX> sorry
2016-02-24T22:39:26 < FatalNIX> I am just roflcoptering at work
2016-02-24T22:39:42 < FatalNIX> so I've been ripping my hear out with these STM32 issues all week right?
2016-02-24T22:39:59 < kakimir> lot of coffee?
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2016-02-24T22:40:17 < FatalNIX> guy comes in to the support desk. sees my STM32 board on my desk (he needs some help with his netork in his dorm) He goes oh hello, I'm a TA for your class
2016-02-24T22:40:18 < FatalNIX> XD
2016-02-24T22:40:32 < FatalNIX> so he's gonna come take a look and see why the frig shit is borkeed
2016-02-24T22:40:37 < kakimir> are you murican FatalNIX?
2016-02-24T22:40:45 < FatalNIX> Nope. I'm from Maine
2016-02-24T22:41:08 < Steffanx> thats not in the US? :P
2016-02-24T22:41:09 < FatalNIX> (Yes I am american)
2016-02-24T22:41:15 < Steffanx> yankeeland
2016-02-24T22:41:16 < FatalNIX> well accoridng t othe rest of the US? nope
2016-02-24T22:41:33 < kakimir> what is that place.. like canada but in us?
2016-02-24T22:41:48 < FatalNIX> I guess.
2016-02-24T22:41:53 < FatalNIX> it's like 99.99% woods
2016-02-24T22:42:29 < kakimir> what you doing there?
2016-02-24T22:42:52 < Steffanx> what are you doing in 99% snow?
2016-02-24T22:43:00 < kakimir> yes
2016-02-24T22:43:04 < kakimir> insane snow atm.
2016-02-24T22:43:04 < FatalNIX> the snow is melting right now
2016-02-24T22:43:17 < kakimir> true powder and keeps comming
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2016-02-24T22:43:33 < FatalNIX> I love snow
2016-02-24T22:43:46 < kakimir> if I wasn't so lazy I would looks nice spot to powder ski in the hills
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2016-02-24T22:46:24 < kakimir> would require walking kilometers in full snow
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2016-02-24T22:54:47 < Steffanx> snowboots
2016-02-24T22:56:09 < kakimir> I think I just trespass with snowmobile
2016-02-24T22:56:25 < kakimir> still at leas kilometer to walk
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2016-02-24T23:03:35 < kakimir> what is the best board thickness with 4layer copper for impendance matching?
2016-02-24T23:04:27 < kakimir> 50ohm or so and track width something shitty typical 0.3mm or so
2016-02-24T23:06:16 < kakimir> apparently even 0.8mm by calculations
2016-02-24T23:09:43 < kakimir> for 0.3mm trace
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2016-02-24T23:22:04 < aandrew> kakimir: I like to get the prepreg between the outer layers and next layer in to be fairly thin
2016-02-24T23:22:27 < aandrew> I get 90 ohms differential (USB) with 5/6 trace/space with the stackup I get from this one vendor
2016-02-24T23:22:37 < aandrew> and I think 5/5 for 100 ohms differential
2016-02-24T23:24:07 < kakimir> I thought intenal layers are just even
2016-02-24T23:24:10 < kakimir> hmm
2016-02-24T23:24:20 < kakimir> I wonder how it is with elecrow 4layer
2016-02-24T23:24:45 < aandrew> yeah I don't care about the space between inner layers on a 4l board
2016-02-24T23:24:57 < aandrew> on 6l where you might be trying to do controlled impedance it becomes important
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2016-02-25T00:54:35 < kakimir> I think they may have fixed thickness for bottom and front layers
2016-02-25T00:54:43 < kakimir> and center layer is varying
2016-02-25T00:54:47 < kakimir> would it be?
2016-02-25T00:56:32 < kakimir> it would make all the sense so there was one variable less in impendance matching
2016-02-25T01:01:11 < zyp> 4L stackup tends to be a thick core between inner layers and two thin prepreg layers between inner and outer layer on each side
2016-02-25T01:01:41 < zyp> for a 1.6mm board it's usually something like a 1.2mm core
2016-02-25T01:02:35 < kakimir> under 0.2mm material between inner and outer layer?
2016-02-25T01:02:42 < zyp> yep
2016-02-25T01:02:47 < kakimir> that would make 50ohm trace
2016-02-25T01:02:54 < kakimir> under 0.3mm
2016-02-25T01:03:12 < zyp> for what freq?
2016-02-25T01:03:33 < kakimir> idk.. 10?
2016-02-25T01:03:39 < zyp> 10 Hz?
2016-02-25T01:03:46 < kakimir> nope
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2016-02-25T01:06:18 < zyp> but yeah, you're right
2016-02-25T01:09:04 < zyp> this is why dongs are using 4L boards for those ipad-edp boards
2016-02-25T01:10:28 < kakimir> obiviously
2016-02-25T01:12:30 < zyp> because a bunch of impedance matched differential lanes at 1.6mm over ground plane would be wide as fuck
2016-02-25T01:14:18 < kakimir> around 2.8mm iirc.
2016-02-25T01:14:23 < kakimir> 50ohm
2016-02-25T01:19:19 < kakimir> didn't get schooled this time
2016-02-25T01:19:24 < kakimir> o/
2016-02-25T01:20:31 < karlp> holy shit cmake suckz0rs
2016-02-25T01:21:42 < BrainDamage> do you have something specific in mind?
2016-02-25T01:22:30 < karlp> yeah, working directories and including external projects and having differnet flags in different directories
2016-02-25T01:22:49 < karlp> and custom commands and working directories for custom commands to find their own outputs
2016-02-25T01:23:10 < karlp> I've got a third party cmake project that doesn't work unless you do "cmake ."
2016-02-25T01:23:25 < karlp> mkdir build && cd build && cmake .. -> failure,
2016-02-25T01:23:42 < karlp> so now trying to include that project in a project of my own is just failure piled on failure.
2016-02-25T01:23:59 < BrainDamage> ah that i did met in the past
2016-02-25T01:24:17 < BrainDamage> ... and i don't remember finding a solution
2016-02-25T01:24:17 < karlp> I _had_ a plain simple makefile for my own project, but no idea how to tell make to build a cmake child project in any sane way that will be acceptable to the openwrt buildroot
2016-02-25T01:24:53 < karlp> it always looks _so_ close to beign awesome and simple
2016-02-25T01:24:57 < karlp> and then it's just not.
2016-02-25T01:25:18 < karlp> any idea on make calling cmake? I can't see how that works sanely either.
2016-02-25T01:25:49 < BrainDamage> you can call make, but you'd have to set all the env before calling
2016-02-25T01:25:54 < BrainDamage> cmake*
2016-02-25T01:26:59 < karlp> yeah, that's why it sounded like a pit of despair.
2016-02-25T01:29:36 < karlp> haha! BUILD_IN_SOURCE 1 take taht camke
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2016-02-25T01:33:53 < kakimir> flyback: what they have invented?
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2016-02-25T01:35:41 < BrainDamage> the wifi equivalent of the NFC modulation
2016-02-25T01:35:56 < BrainDamage> passive devices which receive a carrier and modulate it
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2016-02-25T01:38:44 < kakimir> it seems to work at distance of 20cm
2016-02-25T01:39:17 < kakimir> is that compliant with current networks?
2016-02-25T01:40:55 < BrainDamage> 20cm wut? they claim 10m and up
2016-02-25T01:41:10 < kakimir> they claim
2016-02-25T01:41:20 < BrainDamage> where are you reading 20cm
2016-02-25T01:41:24 < BrainDamage> are you making it up?
2016-02-25T01:41:56 < kakimir> I just look at demo they are running
2016-02-25T01:43:11 < zyp> bunch of stuff use load modulation at fairly decent ranges
2016-02-25T01:43:40 < BrainDamage> so because a demostration is shown at short distance, then the max distance is the demonstration distance? okaaaayyy
2016-02-25T01:44:02 < BrainDamage> ( also, the demonstration is way more than 20cm )
2016-02-25T01:44:27 < zyp> the automated road toll system used in norway, for instance
2016-02-25T01:44:56 < kakimir> it's not load modulation
2016-02-25T01:45:05 < kakimir> it's selective reflection
2016-02-25T01:46:01 < BrainDamage> you know there's a k difference from one and the other?
2016-02-25T01:46:16 < zyp> uh, isn't that the same thing?
2016-02-25T01:46:27 < BrainDamage> yes
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2016-02-25T01:47:10 < zyp> when the load consumes more, less power gets reflected
2016-02-25T01:54:51 < kakimir> don't you need to know distance between devices?
2016-02-25T01:55:11 < kakimir> because wavelenght
2016-02-25T01:55:39 < BrainDamage> no you only need to know the difference from the baseline
2016-02-25T01:55:51 < kakimir> load is load and reflection is reflection
2016-02-25T01:56:21 < BrainDamage> it's actually kinda interwhined at EM
2016-02-25T01:56:38 < BrainDamage> a mismatched load causes reflection
2016-02-25T01:57:04 < BrainDamage> which is actually what you're dealing in the pcb waveguide design under another instance ...
2016-02-25T01:57:27 < kakimir> can you put router or such in mode where it outputs constant wave?
2016-02-25T01:57:33 < kakimir> for such devices?
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2016-02-25T02:26:23 < kakimir> I wonder if 100celsius pcb trace is okay or bad
2016-02-25T02:26:54 < crt> how are they,
2016-02-25T02:27:17 < kakimir> would be the the temperature when fuse goes
2016-02-25T02:27:44 < crt> sounds perfect
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2016-02-25T02:46:33 < kakimir> 6.2volt line feeding +100W doesn't sound very nice
2016-02-25T02:47:43 < kakimir> lowest UV voltage but what propably happens is that something stalls and it wont deliver that +100W
2016-02-25T02:49:43 < crt> plenty of 5v 1000w power supplies doing it all day every day
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2016-02-25T03:24:14 < kakimir> those have copper
2016-02-25T03:24:20 < kakimir> real copper
2016-02-25T03:26:11 < kakimir> oh my god.. 2mm jst is a heaven
2016-02-25T03:26:24 < kakimir> doing metric design
2016-02-25T03:26:31 < kakimir> drawing those direct lines
2016-02-25T03:26:41 < kakimir> moving components direcly aligned
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2016-02-25T03:27:46 < dongs> what jst is 2mm
2016-02-25T03:27:50 < dongs> XH or something?
2016-02-25T03:28:01 < dongs> ZH is 1.5mm i think?
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2016-02-25T03:29:16 < kakimir> PH
2016-02-25T03:29:23 < dongs> ah those
2016-02-25T03:29:25 < dongs> ive used htem
2016-02-25T03:29:34 < kakimir> I think I move using 2mm jumpers too
2016-02-25T03:31:28 < upgrdman> is $120 for a 4TB usb hdd a good price?
2016-02-25T03:32:14 < dongs> only if you're buying at least 3 to raid them
2016-02-25T03:32:26 < dongs> looks like i have footprints for PH 2/4/6/8 pin
2016-02-25T03:32:38 < upgrdman> ? i only have like 2TB of data but want 4TB for future use
2016-02-25T03:33:53 < dongs> http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/backblaze-drive-life-three-phases.jpg ignore the graph titles, I'm just after the curve
2016-02-25T03:34:04 < dongs> imagine the X axis is "drive size"
2016-02-25T03:34:31 < dongs> and  thats pretty close description of what happens
2016-02-25T03:34:47 < dongs> basically anything over 2TB isnt worth owning non-raided because it will die before you will actually fill it up
2016-02-25T03:47:09 < crt> that's completely cucked
2016-02-25T04:06:41 < kakimir> I wonder how much spacing I need
2016-02-25T04:07:05 < crt> i dunno mate
2016-02-25T04:07:32 < kakimir> is there other purpose for spacing than adequate distace per voltage?
2016-02-25T04:07:46 < kakimir> between traces
2016-02-25T04:07:52 < crt> coupling
2016-02-25T04:07:53 < kakimir> and fills
2016-02-25T04:08:03 < crt> crosstalk and things
2016-02-25T04:08:08 < kakimir> yes
2016-02-25T04:08:52 < crt> make spacing between live parts and isolated parts of circuits bare minimum to annoy the eevbloggians
2016-02-25T04:09:35 < kakimir> do they even know a shiet
2016-02-25T04:09:57 < kakimir> 9/10 of them are newbs
2016-02-25T04:10:24 < crt> also stick a ton of electrolytics near a heat source
2016-02-25T04:11:09 < kakimir> there is none
2016-02-25T04:11:15 < crt> sup R2, just bludging in the office today
2016-02-25T04:11:27 < crt> i found my mosfet for next day delivery so i'm happy now
2016-02-25T04:12:53 < kakimir> with 80volt peak I don't need even change defaults
2016-02-25T04:13:03 < kakimir> what is 0,254mm
2016-02-25T04:13:55 < kakimir> am I rite?
2016-02-25T04:16:36 < crt> build it and tell me how you go (i'd look for a calculator)
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2016-02-25T04:17:42 < crt> see how cool is this site http://www.smps.us/pcbtracespacing.html
2016-02-25T04:17:54 < crt> has a pretty little picture showing what creepage and clearance is
2016-02-25T04:18:16 < kakimir> calculator says 0,13mm
2016-02-25T04:19:18 < kakimir> lead termination needs 0.5mm if no lacker
2016-02-25T04:35:31 < kakimir> does windows has zombies?
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2016-02-25T04:38:55 < kakimir> does your program use any resources?
2016-02-25T04:39:36 < kakimir> it's dead
2016-02-25T04:40:59 < kakimir> does it return?
2016-02-25T04:41:12 < kakimir> you have return 0;
2016-02-25T04:41:29 < kakimir> or what ever windows return flag
2016-02-25T04:46:40 < crt> maybe you need to rewindow your computer
2016-02-25T04:57:07 < kakimir> how?
2016-02-25T04:57:41 < kakimir> oh
2016-02-25T04:58:12 < kakimir> how to kill process that have not been executed yet
2016-02-25T04:58:28 < dongs> it was probably attaching to it and pausing hte thread
2016-02-25T04:58:32 < dongs> also lol @ running antivirus in 2016
2016-02-25T04:58:36 < dongs> are you dumb?
2016-02-25T04:59:07 < kakimir> with win10 bill has watch over
2016-02-25T05:01:02 < dongs> if youre dumb enough to run clickme.exe from email titled New Viogra Order Confirmation
2016-02-25T05:01:05 < dongs> then yeah
2016-02-25T05:06:07 < kakimir> those calculators are the shiet
2016-02-25T05:06:33 < kakimir> sometimes you get that nastypack with it without any warnings
2016-02-25T05:08:08 < kakimir> sometimes some old program you used to have and trusted have now 12 bloatware programs bundled when installed
2016-02-25T05:11:17 < kakimir> and virus shield doesn't care as aids is being installed
2016-02-25T05:21:51 < crt> matlab is fun mate
2016-02-25T05:24:12 < crt> naaaa
2016-02-25T05:26:11 < kakimir> methlab
2016-02-25T05:26:18 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/eJ9KCo2.jpg
2016-02-25T05:26:52 < kakimir> what does that "check you privilege" shiet mean?
2016-02-25T05:29:08 < upgrdman> fuck if i know. maybe it means you're not a minority and have fewer perceived problems?
2016-02-25T05:29:29 < upgrdman> when im in shanghai i enjoy my white privilege
2016-02-25T05:29:58 < upgrdman> walking into a nice gated community? "come on in, you belong here" ... while my coworker gets ID
2016-02-25T05:30:02 < upgrdman> *get ID'
2016-02-25T05:30:04 < upgrdman> *get ID'd first
2016-02-25T05:30:36 < kakimir> :D
2016-02-25T05:33:03 < crt> i paid for student copy of matlab years ago
2016-02-25T05:34:05 < crt> it made me very happy
2016-02-25T05:34:10 < upgrdman> sometimes being white is a disadvantage though. if i go buy a pizza in the poor part of town, like every black person in line-of-sight asks "spare some change for the bus?"
2016-02-25T05:34:41 < kakimir> if I dressed like white person my life would propably have more oppoturnities
2016-02-25T05:34:42 < upgrdman> like sometimes before i even finished stepping out of my car some fucker will ask from across the parking lot
2016-02-25T05:34:47 < crt> we shoot em in australia
2016-02-25T05:34:50 < crt> emu guns mate
2016-02-25T05:35:50 < upgrdman> no
2016-02-25T05:36:09 < upgrdman> because i want to oppress poor people, why else? /s
2016-02-25T05:36:13 < kakimir> they ask wrong questions obiviously
2016-02-25T05:36:27 < upgrdman> but seriosuly... so many lazy fucks in long beach
2016-02-25T05:36:42 < crt> they burrow into the ground
2016-02-25T05:36:45 < upgrdman> there's plenty of ghettos in LB
2016-02-25T05:37:07 < upgrdman> in fact, like >2m from the coast, and most of LB is ghetto
2016-02-25T05:37:15 < upgrdman> yes
2016-02-25T05:37:25 < upgrdman> almost certainly on gov handouts
2016-02-25T05:37:44 < crt> the coons get it for free in au
2016-02-25T05:38:41 < crt> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Aboriginal
2016-02-25T05:39:00 < upgrdman> and im kinda uneasy here. LB, and especially Lakewood (next door) has a large poor black community, and just from statistics, fucking blacks love to riot and cause trouble when they feel slighted.
2016-02-25T05:39:21 < crt> they call that a chimpout
2016-02-25T05:39:53 < upgrdman> i would be so screwed if some so cal cop shoots a black guy and the community gets all butt hurt
2016-02-25T05:40:09 < crt> estimate next week for that to happen
2016-02-25T05:43:44 < crt> unless you wanna get the party started upgrdman
2016-02-25T05:44:01 < upgrdman> fuck that
2016-02-25T05:44:21 < crt> so many guns, so many people to shoot nobody cares about
2016-02-25T05:45:25 < englishman> australians are allowed to have guns? sounds dangerous
2016-02-25T05:45:34 < crt> nah we only get sticks
2016-02-25T05:45:38 < crt> the abos get boomerangs
2016-02-25T05:47:01 < kakimir> when you think about boomerang
2016-02-25T05:48:22 < kakimir> it's one of most fine tools by.. primitive people
2016-02-25T05:48:35 < kakimir> maybe the finest
2016-02-25T05:48:50 < englishman> in movies sure
2016-02-25T05:48:58 < crt> they're pretty clever those aboriginies
2016-02-25T05:49:01 < crt> they don't have to work
2016-02-25T05:49:04 < dongs> http://www.engadget.com/2016/02/24/sharp-reportedly-accepts-foxconns-6-2-billion-takeover-offer/
2016-02-25T05:49:07 < dongs> oops
2016-02-25T05:49:18 < crt> fucken wat
2016-02-25T05:49:29 < kakimir> can they even talk?
2016-02-25T05:49:37 < crt> i like sharp :3
2016-02-25T05:49:57 < englishman> 6.2 billion wow
2016-02-25T05:50:06 < englishman> bigger company than i thought
2016-02-25T05:50:27 < crt> yeah they make iphonez (kawaii)
2016-02-25T05:50:48 < englishman> i meant sharp
2016-02-25T05:54:34 < kakimir> its more inexpensive to just buy the minority
2016-02-25T05:54:59 < dongs> 6.2 should just cover all of sharp's debts
2016-02-25T05:55:15 < kakimir> than try to do somethong smart with them that keeps failing
2016-02-25T06:04:57 < dongs> it never has
2016-02-25T06:05:10 < dongs> so if anything, it might start innovating
2016-02-25T06:05:56 < dongs> youre thinking sony
2016-02-25T06:06:00 < dongs> you fucking stoner
2016-02-25T06:06:29 < dongs> http://www.sharp-world.com/corporate/info/his/only_one/
2016-02-25T06:08:29 < dongs> as you can see, sharp innovation stopped in 1979
2016-02-25T06:11:15 < Getty> so i really need to buy a 60 EUR device to be able to send infrared signals like the 10 EUR universial-IR-remote i have?.....
2016-02-25T06:11:25 < dongs> wat
2016-02-25T06:11:53 < dongs> 1) get any -discovery 2) rip IR led from $10 remote 3) code and/or freelancer.com 4) profit!
2016-02-25T06:12:05 < Getty> i am trying to figure out what i can buy to use my PC as remote to send to the TV, and all pages (its hard to find them at all) talking about it point to those UITR devices
2016-02-25T06:12:28 < Getty> yeah i am wondering why noone sells this, i dont want to actually do work, but 60 EUR is a bit brutal
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2016-02-25T06:13:08 < Getty> for a german paid with good USD ;-)
2016-02-25T06:13:54 < aandrew> http://gerblook.org/pcb/YGEv9pY2yFFKHmqDstd56J
2016-02-25T06:13:56 < aandrew> there ya go dongs
2016-02-25T06:14:00 < aandrew> super tricky board to route
2016-02-25T06:14:05 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/CompassionateVengefulHind
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2016-02-25T06:14:50 < aandrew> haha
2016-02-25T06:14:56 < aandrew> waiting for that robot to grab the guy by the throat
2016-02-25T06:15:26 < Getty> what i found most funny was my experience with those infrared repeaters.... what a joke 8-)
2016-02-25T06:15:44 < Getty> you actually need to put a wire from the extender directly to the IR LED of the target
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2016-02-25T06:17:47 < aandrew> nice
2016-02-25T06:17:56 < Getty> yeah go over there, kick some robots
2016-02-25T06:17:58 < aandrew> so when the robot uprising occurs you'll be one of the first to die
2016-02-25T06:19:32 < Getty> http://i.imgur.com/osCVCXD.webm 8-)
2016-02-25T06:20:34 < aandrew> damn son
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2016-02-25T06:24:10 < upgrdman> typical aussie activity  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-24/darwin-man-beats-burping-world-record/7195468?WT.ac=statenews_nt
2016-02-25T06:25:25 < crt> smash one out mate
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2016-02-25T06:51:12 < crt> too bored in the office
2016-02-25T06:51:16 < crt> i might cuck off early
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2016-02-25T08:00:59 < dongs> readstoner beep
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2016-02-25T08:07:35 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/PCB-Design-Tablet/
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2016-02-25T09:40:19 < dongs> attn Sync
2016-02-25T09:40:33 < crt> o/
2016-02-25T09:40:40 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Design-surge-protector-chip-draft/
2016-02-25T09:41:40 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Design-for-simple-power-supply/ haha
2016-02-25T09:42:57 < crt> so the idiot is asking for a dc out UPS
2016-02-25T09:43:14 < dongs> basically
2016-02-25T09:43:23 < dongs> but is too cheap
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2016-02-25T12:32:45 < qyx> dekar: meanwell has such ac/dc power supply
2016-02-25T12:33:03 < qyx> for about $20
2016-02-25T12:33:11 < qyx> nah, dongs ^
2016-02-25T12:34:12 < qyx> http://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Mean-Well/SCP-35-12/?qs=AmzscSOM9Zbf9CqcaRL6sQ%3d%3d
2016-02-25T12:36:49 < dongs> qyx, haha
2016-02-25T12:36:59 < dongs> k, im bidding on that proj then
2016-02-25T12:37:04 < dongs> and adding a 9V out DC/DC board
2016-02-25T12:37:10 < qyx> but it is 13.8V instead of 9V
2016-02-25T12:37:11 < qyx> hah
2016-02-25T12:37:18 < dongs> yes, obviosuly
2016-02-25T12:37:20 < qyx> $1 ebay
2016-02-25T12:38:35 < dongs> er qyx
2016-02-25T12:38:42 < dongs> it needs 120V DC
2016-02-25T12:39:36 < zyp> Input Voltage: 85 VAC to 264 VAC, 120 VDC to 370 VDC
2016-02-25T12:39:43 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-25T12:39:49 < dongs> i think he wants failover to like 12V battery :)
2016-02-25T12:39:57 < zyp> yes, that's what it does
2016-02-25T12:40:13 < dongs> 10 12V batteries in series?
2016-02-25T12:40:32 < zyp> no, the battery voltage is not related to input voltage
2016-02-25T12:40:49 < zyp> that just means that you can run it off DC too if you wanted
2016-02-25T12:40:55 < qyx> no, it has faston connectors for the battery
2016-02-25T12:41:09 < qyx> zyp is right
2016-02-25T12:41:15 < zyp> which is natural, since input is probably just rectified as the first step of a SMPS
2016-02-25T12:41:15 < qyx> I have used them in the past
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2016-02-25T12:43:23 < dongs> oh, are those the connectors that go in one of those 12V SLA batts?
2016-02-25T12:43:28 < dongs> FAST connector or osmeshit
2016-02-25T12:43:31 < dongs> that zyp got before
2016-02-25T12:43:47 < dongs> and it charges it and shit?
2016-02-25T12:44:02 < dongs> that datasheet is useless as fuck
2016-02-25T12:44:29 < dongs> battery mentioned exctly 5 times, in a single section, no mention what type it would use and shit.
2016-02-25T12:47:19 < qyx> yes, it is a simple CC/CV charger, SLA or GEL or AGM or whatever you want
2016-02-25T12:48:44 < qyx> the battery has to be of suitable size, it is chrged with 2.6amp or so
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2016-02-25T12:51:07 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/91bXmuZ.gifv
2016-02-25T12:55:13 < crt> yeah
2016-02-25T12:57:16 < Laurenceb_> bbl
2016-02-25T12:57:30 < crt> i'll be waiting
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2016-02-25T13:18:53 < crt> https://youtu.be/mcDgOGC5Lcc?t=2m46s
2016-02-25T13:18:57 < crt> enjoy
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2016-02-25T13:40:43 < trepidacious> Anyone know whether you can interrupt on a pin that is set to an alternate input (DCMI VSYNC)?
2016-02-25T13:42:19 < PaulFertser> trepidacious: I'd guess only if DCMI periph has that interrupt, not via GPIO periph. But you can physically bridge it to some other pin ;)
2016-02-25T13:42:49 < PaulFertser> (IIRC on i.MX one can have both input circuits enabled at the same time, but not on stm32)
2016-02-25T13:45:30 < karlp> really? I thought exti was independent?
2016-02-25T13:45:42 < karlp> I thought someone else had been doing this recently.
2016-02-25T13:45:53 < karlp> or were they trying and failed?
2016-02-25T13:49:47 < PaulFertser> karlp: not sure
2016-02-25T13:50:44 < crt> pump it
2016-02-25T13:52:01 < jpa-> atleast normal GPIO input works for alternate pins i think
2016-02-25T13:52:06 < jpa-> so i would assume EXTI to work also
2016-02-25T13:53:48 < zyp> I would too
2016-02-25T13:53:57 < PaulFertser> RM0008 (F1) says "To use external interrupt lines, the port must be configured in input mode", section 9.1.3.
2016-02-25T13:56:42 < zyp> sure it does, but it's probably not true
2016-02-25T14:02:35 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXu8HGkBqHs
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2016-02-25T14:38:02 < trepidacious> jpa-, zyp: Thanks - I'll give it a go and report back :)
2016-02-25T14:38:29 < trepidacious> PaulFertser: Ah, yeah that's worrying. I guess I just have to try it
2016-02-25T14:40:35 < zyp> it doesn't make sense to spend extra effort making EXTI gated on pin function being set to input, that's adding more transistors that doesn't add any benefit
2016-02-25T14:41:50 < qyx> mhm, 100W leds for $2.40
2016-02-25T14:41:57 < crt> where
2016-02-25T14:42:26 < dongs> lol
2016-02-25T14:42:28 < qyx> http://www.ebay.com/itm//262148009397
2016-02-25T14:42:29 < dongs> workpals today found out
2016-02-25T14:42:36 < dongs> that jap ungrounded outlets are fun
2016-02-25T14:43:20 < crt> oh boy
2016-02-25T14:43:43 < dongs> ended up with non-zero ground on the device
2016-02-25T14:44:26 < BrainDamage> why do you even have such thing
2016-02-25T14:44:30 < BrainDamage> are they legal?
2016-02-25T14:44:34 < Sync> because wapan
2016-02-25T14:44:36 < Sync> BrainDamage: yes
2016-02-25T14:44:39 < zyp> "non-zero ground" heh
2016-02-25T14:44:56 < dongs> zyp, as in, ground potential was ~somevolts above 0
2016-02-25T14:45:03 < zyp> relative to what?
2016-02-25T14:45:09 < Sync> http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB17DhSIpXXXXc5XpXXq6xXFXXXZ/0-75x3-Computer-Power-Cord-Japanese-2P-plug-standard-3-hole-with-ground-wire-1-8M.jpg
2016-02-25T14:45:11 < dongs> relative to another device that was grounded
2016-02-25T14:45:12 < Sync> shit liek dat
2016-02-25T14:45:23 < zyp> ah, true, that's normal
2016-02-25T14:45:27 < Sync> complete cancer
2016-02-25T14:45:39 < dongs> sync, new construction that hasnt been built yet. looked at electrician plans, only outlets that have ground screw is by washer/dryer and kitchen for microwave
2016-02-25T14:45:47 < BrainDamage> holy shit
2016-02-25T14:45:57 < dongs> the rest are two pronged aids.
2016-02-25T14:45:59 < zyp> dongs, the whole ground screw thing is weird
2016-02-25T14:46:15 < zyp> vs the three-pronged plugs
2016-02-25T14:46:20 < dongs> yeah, like wh ybother.
2016-02-25T14:46:29 < crt> tis amusing to me
2016-02-25T14:47:43 < Sync> here 2 prong plugs got outlawed in like the 70s
2016-02-25T14:47:51 < Sync> and old installations had to be retrofitted
2016-02-25T14:48:09 < zyp> "here" being where?
2016-02-25T14:48:17 < dongs> auschwitz i think
2016-02-25T14:48:22 < zyp> heh
2016-02-25T14:48:27 < crt> lol
2016-02-25T14:49:10 < qyx> http://i.stack.imgur.com/XNbfX.jpg
2016-02-25T14:49:12 < qyx> uh, this?
2016-02-25T14:49:17 < dongs> yes
2016-02-25T14:49:21 < dongs> except
2016-02-25T14:49:25 < dongs> that has a 3prong
2016-02-25T14:49:27 < zyp> in norway, mandatory grounded outlets everywhere is a fairly new requirement, from the 90s or early 2000s
2016-02-25T14:49:47 < Sync> germany zyp
2016-02-25T14:50:07 < zyp> my parents house were built in the start of the 90s and only got grounded outlets in kitchen/bathrooms
2016-02-25T14:50:26 < crt> interesting
2016-02-25T14:50:37 < dongs> like i said, im watching over new construction (mansion) like 16 story building, peeked at electric plans, no grounds.
2016-02-25T14:50:43 < zyp> and old stuff got grandfathered in, so no retrofit is required
2016-02-25T14:50:52 < dongs> basement is done now, and I think they started on first couple floors
2016-02-25T14:50:54 < dongs> last i looked
2016-02-25T14:51:23 < BrainDamage> here mandatory ground from the 80s, howrever, some consider our unpolarized plugs to be cancer
2016-02-25T14:51:32 < Laurenceb> haha wut
2016-02-25T14:51:33 < zyp> I believe there's even still legal to put up ungrounded outlets in older houses
2016-02-25T14:51:37 < Laurenceb> that plug looks lethal
2016-02-25T14:51:43 < dongs> japplug?
2016-02-25T14:52:01 < Laurenceb> http://www.kenable.co.uk/images/fig_8_plug_uk_3_pin.jpg
2016-02-25T14:52:06 < Laurenceb> uk plug is best plug
2016-02-25T14:52:13 < dongs> best at being huge and useesls
2016-02-25T14:52:16 < Sync> the fuck dongs
2016-02-25T14:52:18 < Sync> the fuck.
2016-02-25T14:52:22 < BrainDamage> uk plug is overengineered because you have the retarded ring circuits
2016-02-25T14:52:24 < dongs> dead srs
2016-02-25T14:52:27 < zyp> everything new must be grounded, but if you're adding an outlet to an old house with ungrounded outlets, you can put up an ungrounded outlet
2016-02-25T14:52:42 < Sync> not here zyp
2016-02-25T14:52:42 < zyp> because you're not allowed to mix and match grounded and ungrounded in the same room
2016-02-25T14:52:46 < Sync> fucks some people over
2016-02-25T14:52:56 < Sync> because they have to rewire their houses
2016-02-25T14:53:08 < zyp> BrainDamage, polarized plugs are also weird
2016-02-25T14:53:27 < BrainDamage> i agree, no reason to distinguish hot and neutral at the appliance
2016-02-25T14:53:29 < zyp> or, at least I used to think that
2016-02-25T14:53:59 < zyp> because in an IT distribution system, there's no neutral
2016-02-25T14:54:02 < Sync> BrainDamage: if you have radios that are all-current capable you need to polarize the plugs
2016-02-25T14:54:16 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/moGfFrD.png
2016-02-25T14:54:16 < zyp> (it's delta connected, not wye with neutral in the middle)
2016-02-25T14:54:18 < crt> i like the chunky terminals on uk plug
2016-02-25T14:54:56 < qyx> zyp: do you have the schuko thing in nowray?
2016-02-25T14:54:59 < Laurenceb> uk plug will run happily with 3.2kW all day long
2016-02-25T14:55:02 < zyp> qyx, yes
2016-02-25T14:55:23 < Laurenceb> perfect for cannabis farming
2016-02-25T14:55:32 < zyp> Laurenceb, big deal, so is schuko
2016-02-25T14:55:34 < Sync> so will the schuko
2016-02-25T14:55:37 < qyx> yes
2016-02-25T14:55:39 < Sync> with proper sockets
2016-02-25T14:55:53 < zyp> well, at least in theory
2016-02-25T14:56:10 < zyp> in theory, schuko is rated for 16A
2016-02-25T14:56:25 < dongs> fucking logitech shitware
2016-02-25T14:56:30 < zyp> norwegian legislation has derated it to 10A when used for EV charging
2016-02-25T14:56:30 < dongs> lost the remapped keys thing
2016-02-25T14:56:32 < dongs> have to reboot
2016-02-25T14:56:33 < Sync> isn't it 10A (15A) now?
2016-02-25T14:56:39 < qyx> in real life, most 16A rated extension cords are 1mm^2 only
2016-02-25T14:56:56 < zyp> qyx, haha, "rated"
2016-02-25T14:57:05 < qyx> they get pretty hot when used at 2kW and more
2016-02-25T14:57:33 < Sync> well, only if you get shitty extension cords
2016-02-25T14:57:47 < BrainDamage> the best 16A plug i saw was cina pro engineering with a plastic core and a thin ( ~0.5mm thickness ) steel foil wrapping around it
2016-02-25T14:57:51 < zyp> yeah, proper stuff got 2.5mm2 cabling
2016-02-25T14:58:01 < Sync> all my cords are PU cable and 2.5mm² or 4mm²
2016-02-25T14:58:06 < BrainDamage> you could see the plastic core at the crimping points at the tip
2016-02-25T14:58:17 < BrainDamage> snapped one to confirm
2016-02-25T14:58:27 < Sync> kek
2016-02-25T14:58:34 < Sync> probably fine for a n europlug
2016-02-25T15:00:09 < zyp> I'm getting a 16A CEE outlet installed for EV charging
2016-02-25T15:01:38 < crt> tasty
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2016-02-25T15:04:47 < Sync> get a 120A 3 phase plug :P
2016-02-25T15:06:40 < zyp> unfortunately my distribution board only got a single phase 63A supply :p
2016-02-25T15:11:20 < Sync> pfft
2016-02-25T15:11:23 < Sync> wat
2016-02-25T15:11:29 < Sync> only a signle 63A
2016-02-25T15:11:30 < Sync> o0
2016-02-25T15:11:38 < Sync> even my small flat gets 3x 63A
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2016-02-25T15:13:20 < zyp> it's a small flat
2016-02-25T15:13:58 < dongs> jap is like 30QA
2016-02-25T15:14:00 < dongs> er 30A
2016-02-25T15:14:16 < dongs> mfkr
2016-02-25T15:14:23 < dongs> rented jap shaun teh sheep bd
2016-02-25T15:14:27 < dongs> only has en audio
2016-02-25T15:14:29 < dongs> ???????????????
2016-02-25T15:14:37 < dongs> and none of hte signs/etc are in jap either
2016-02-25T15:14:43 < dongs> so its basically just english release which I already had
2016-02-25T15:14:51 < dongs> cunts
2016-02-25T15:14:53 < zyp> 3x63A 400V TN? that's 43kW, wtf do a small flat need 43kW for?
2016-02-25T15:15:17 < BrainDamage> crematory ovens
2016-02-25T15:15:23 < BrainDamage> and bad jokes
2016-02-25T15:15:57 < Sync> zyp: electric stove
2016-02-25T15:16:04 < Sync> + water heater
2016-02-25T15:16:15 < Sync> water heater is like 21kW
2016-02-25T15:16:32 < zyp> uh, we've got all electric heating and shit here too
2016-02-25T15:16:41 < BrainDamage> what kind of stove needs 40kW? even large-ish gas burners are like 10kW
2016-02-25T15:17:00 < BrainDamage> unless you mean for space heating
2016-02-25T15:17:17 < zyp> BrainDamage, none
2016-02-25T15:17:26 < Sync> my stove is 12kW
2016-02-25T15:17:33 < Sync> or at least, it is fused for that
2016-02-25T15:17:35 < zyp> wat
2016-02-25T15:17:48 < Sync> baking oven + 4 plates
2016-02-25T15:18:00 < zyp> oh, oven and top are separate circuits here
2016-02-25T15:18:08 < zyp> 16A for oven, 25A for stovetop
2016-02-25T15:18:12 < Sync> well, it is 3 phase
2016-02-25T15:19:04 < Sync> and my water heater is fused with 32A
2016-02-25T15:19:11 < zyp> your water heater, is that one of the flow-through things?
2016-02-25T15:19:45 < Sync> yes
2016-02-25T15:19:57 < zyp> ah, they are not common over here
2016-02-25T15:20:16 < BrainDamage> here nearly all space and water heating is gas based
2016-02-25T15:20:21 < Sync> which is stupid, as I got a gas space heater
2016-02-25T15:20:42 < zyp> we've got electric water heaters too, but it's like a 150-200l tank that's kept warm
2016-02-25T15:20:52 < BrainDamage> mostly because people are tards and voted no to nukular, and now we have one of the highest electicity prices in the world
2016-02-25T15:21:15 < zyp> we probably have one of the lowest
2016-02-25T15:21:30 < zyp> due to hydroelectric and shit
2016-02-25T15:21:38 < BrainDamage> and the price is kept somehow limited because we buy half of the roduction from france ...
2016-02-25T15:21:51 < Sync> but they were too cheap/whatever to put in a gas water/spaceheater thing
2016-02-25T15:22:00 < BrainDamage> we pretty much maximized hydro capacity in the 60s, and it stagnated there
2016-02-25T15:22:07 < BrainDamage> probably lack of suitable locations
2016-02-25T15:22:36 < Sync> more like, lazyness
2016-02-25T15:24:02 < Sync> but yeah, I like how germoney gets out of nuclear and we buy a lot of the french power
2016-02-25T15:24:11 < Sync> although we sell most of our own power
2016-02-25T15:25:30 < zyp> electricity is so cheap over here that on my power bill I'm paying around twice as much for "grid usage" than I'm paying for the power itself
2016-02-25T15:25:52 < BrainDamage> what's day-night average?
2016-02-25T15:25:59 < BrainDamage> here's 0.22€/kWh
2016-02-25T15:26:09 < zyp> total or what?
2016-02-25T15:26:20 < BrainDamage> yes, average over a day
2016-02-25T15:26:44 < zyp> I mean, including fees?
2016-02-25T15:26:48 < BrainDamage> yes
2016-02-25T15:27:05 < BrainDamage> for a regular apartment
2016-02-25T15:27:09 < zyp> hang on, let me pull up my last invoice
2016-02-25T15:27:29 < Laurenceb> thats expensive
2016-02-25T15:29:15 < Sync> the problem in germany is the eco tax
2016-02-25T15:29:25 < zyp> for january I paid 0.7676 NOK/kWh (and 202 NOK in monthly fees)
2016-02-25T15:29:28 < Sync> if you are industry, you pay only 6-9ct/kWh
2016-02-25T15:30:28 < zyp> that's around 0.08 EUR/kWh
2016-02-25T15:30:38 < dongs> fuck you all with cheap electricity
2016-02-25T15:31:04 < Sync> don't the japs have almost all nuclear?
2016-02-25T15:31:07 < Sync> shit must be cheap there
2016-02-25T15:31:14 < zyp> haha
2016-02-25T15:31:14 < dongs> what
2016-02-25T15:31:21 < dongs> i pay like $350-400/month for e lectricy
2016-02-25T15:31:24 < zyp> japs shut down _all_ nuclear after fukushima
2016-02-25T15:31:36 < Sync> pussies.
2016-02-25T15:31:41 < dongs> and around 60 for 3phase or something
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2016-02-25T15:33:34 < Sync> zyp: send me some of that cheap electricity
2016-02-25T15:33:40 < kakimir> they should have atleast depleated all their fuel first
2016-02-25T15:34:00 < kakimir> while they made better protection for backup generators
2016-02-25T15:34:07 < kakimir> and then keep them actually runing
2016-02-25T15:34:38 < kakimir> non tsunami proof nuclear plant.. da faque
2016-02-25T15:34:49 < BrainDamage> or send all the radioactive material to funland to keep you warm
2016-02-25T15:35:05 < Sync> well, .fi is trying to build a new NPP
2016-02-25T15:35:14 < kakimir> funland is under rule of russian nuclear mafia
2016-02-25T15:36:14 < kakimir> did germany turn off their nuclear plants too?
2016-02-25T15:38:35 < kakimir> nuclear plant is propably the most expensive thing you can build and suddenly one event and political avalance render those all as a burden only
2016-02-25T15:40:12 < englishman> electric bill last 2 months was like $700
2016-02-25T15:40:17 < englishman> but we used almost 5MWh
2016-02-25T15:40:49 < kakimir> when it comes to marginal issues politicians cant do nothing
2016-02-25T15:41:47 < kakimir> unpopular issues no matter how little the effect is
2016-02-25T15:42:38 < zyp> dongs, so, how does three phase in jp work? is that a completely separate system, or is everything tapped from that?
2016-02-25T15:43:16 < zyp> I don't get how single phase grids work
2016-02-25T15:43:34 < kakimir> who would have seperate system for 3phase? that's retarded
2016-02-25T15:43:47 < dongs> no, you have to get a 3phase circuit brought in
2016-02-25T15:43:51 < dongs> and if you arent near one, it takes months
2016-02-25T15:44:05 < dongs> regular 100V house is hooked up just by 2 wires
2016-02-25T15:44:09 < dongs> so single phase i guess
2016-02-25T15:44:41 < kakimir> maybe yankees and their free market electricity companies
2016-02-25T15:44:46 < englishman> do you also have 200V
2016-02-25T15:44:53 < zyp> yes
2016-02-25T15:45:03 < dongs> ya
2016-02-25T15:45:05 < dongs> my chinaoven is on that
2016-02-25T15:45:14 < dongs> so i guess house is maybe 200V inthen gets split in half or somethign
2016-02-25T15:45:15 < englishman> but just 2 wires?
2016-02-25T15:45:17 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-25T15:45:22 < zyp> I looked in the distribution board in the apt I stayed in in tokyo, AC had a 200V circuit
2016-02-25T15:45:26 < englishman> usually two hots + center tap
2016-02-25T15:45:28 < zyp> so it needs to be split phase
2016-02-25T15:45:32 < englishman> for two 100v or one 200v
2016-02-25T15:45:39 < kakimir> and japs use burning fuels for water heating and house heating?
2016-02-25T15:45:45 < zyp> yeah
2016-02-25T15:45:52 < zyp> gas everywhere
2016-02-25T15:45:53 < dongs> yes im burning a kerosense stove right behind me
2016-02-25T15:46:07 < dongs> literalyl gassing myself wiht CO2
2016-02-25T15:46:24 < zyp> dongs, so do you have two supplies then?
2016-02-25T15:46:30 < dongs> zyp, i dont know
2016-02-25T15:46:45 < kakimir> every house having kerosene stove... that exhausts without chimney right in to house
2016-02-25T15:46:49 < dongs> i know chianstove needed something special to bring from breaker
2016-02-25T15:47:05 < BrainDamage> wait, no external venting?
2016-02-25T15:47:08 < zyp> because I don't get how you could combine split phase and three phase
2016-02-25T15:47:14 < dongs> oh
2016-02-25T15:47:17 < dongs> zyp, yeah of course 3phase is different
2016-02-25T15:47:22 < dongs> different hookup place, different meters etc
2016-02-25T15:47:25 < zyp> right
2016-02-25T15:47:39 < zyp> that's the weird thing to me
2016-02-25T15:47:44 < Laurenceb> http://imgur.com/XkUw3Vz
2016-02-25T15:47:51 < zyp> because here everything is three phase, and split phase doesn't exist :p
2016-02-25T15:47:56 < englishman> 3phase to residential is super rare
2016-02-25T15:47:57 < kakimir> in here town areas have centeralized heating
2016-02-25T15:48:02 < englishman> thats interesting zyp
2016-02-25T15:48:15 < zyp> englishman, super rare in jp and us, super common in europe
2016-02-25T15:48:22 < englishman> cool
2016-02-25T15:48:39 < englishman> probably for induction motors in some central pump appliance from 1950
2016-02-25T15:49:35 < zyp> dongs, what kind of three phase voltages do you get then?
2016-02-25T15:49:52 < kakimir> you know you can create split phases with star configuration transformer
2016-02-25T15:50:00 < dongs> zyp, 200V i geuss?
2016-02-25T15:50:26 < zyp> kakimir, it's not the same thing
2016-02-25T15:50:26 < BrainDamage> we simply have center star + wye  wiring distributed at homes
2016-02-25T15:50:46 < zyp> BrainDamage, yeah, either that (TN) or delta (IT)
2016-02-25T15:51:03 < zyp> norway is kinda unique in europe for using delta, apparently
2016-02-25T15:51:45 < karlp> cos your rock suckz
2016-02-25T15:52:01 < karlp> bad earth for yoo
2016-02-25T15:52:21 < zyp> TN systems have 400V between phase conductors and 230V between phase and neutral (400/sqrt(3)=230)
2016-02-25T15:52:30 < zyp> IT systems have 230V between phase conductors
2016-02-25T15:52:43 < kakimir> TN is the shiet
2016-02-25T15:52:46 < zyp> so in either case you end up with 230V single phase outlets
2016-02-25T15:53:07 < zyp> yeah
2016-02-25T15:53:17 < kakimir> nope.. you can have single phase 400V too!
2016-02-25T15:53:45 < zyp> in theory? sure
2016-02-25T15:54:09 < kakimir> in TN system.. for some niche application
2016-02-25T15:54:11 < zyp> but I've never seen any 400V single phase equipments, and there's no standard outlets for it either
2016-02-25T15:54:30 < kakimir> I think there is 400volt single phase plug
2016-02-25T15:55:22 < kakimir> http://www.distributionzone.com/getmetafile/27b42dca-91bc-4a94-8b0c-6f2a24460772/_MG_4033.aspx looks like something you stick in electric car
2016-02-25T15:56:11 < zyp> yeah, that's exactly what I'm getting on my wall to charge mine from :p
2016-02-25T15:56:22 < zyp> that's a single phase 16A 230V CEE outlet
2016-02-25T15:56:26 < zyp> 400V would be red
2016-02-25T15:56:47 < kakimir> oh.. color codes
2016-02-25T15:57:05 < zyp> yep
2016-02-25T15:57:51 < zyp> hmm, according to wikipedia a 400V single phase one exists in the standard, but I can't find any pictures of one
2016-02-25T15:58:54 < kakimir> charging electric car with 230volts sounds like a joke
2016-02-25T15:59:03 < zyp> why?
2016-02-25T15:59:12 < kakimir> especially if full electric
2016-02-25T15:59:49 < kakimir> 230volts * 16amps = 3,7kW
2016-02-25T15:59:57 < Lux> you can get more than 16 amps
2016-02-25T16:00:03 < zyp> yeah
2016-02-25T16:00:10 < Lux> iirc my flat is connected at 32
2016-02-25T16:00:14 < zyp> depends on the car, mine can only do 16A
2016-02-25T16:00:24 < kakimir> okay.. 32 if you dedicate one phase for your car
2016-02-25T16:00:35 < zyp> which means it'll take 8 hours from empty to full
2016-02-25T16:01:19 < kakimir> 7,3kW
2016-02-25T16:01:47 < kakimir> you have 60kwh.. tesla?
2016-02-25T16:01:58 < zyp> no 20something egolf
2016-02-25T16:02:05 < zyp> and I don't have it yet, I'm getting it on monday
2016-02-25T16:02:18 < kakimir> pure e?
2016-02-25T16:02:20 < zyp> yes
2016-02-25T16:02:27 < BrainDamage> what would be hilarios if grid gets overloaded by electric cars and people resort to internal combustion generators to charge the cars
2016-02-25T16:02:28 < kakimir> nice
2016-02-25T16:03:12 < zyp> kakimir, so, please explain to me, why is charging at 16A a joke?
2016-02-25T16:04:15 < Lux> apparently if you'd take the energy used to refine crude oil to power electric cars that'd allready be somewhat enough to power the national demand
2016-02-25T16:04:22 < zyp> Lux, yeah, I read that
2016-02-25T16:04:41 < Lux> i didn't check the figures in detail tough, but i guess it kinda makes sense
2016-02-25T16:05:16 < zyp> just the electricity required for refining gas is on the same order of magnitude as the electricity required to run an EV for the same distance
2016-02-25T16:06:00 < Lux> insane if you think about it
2016-02-25T16:06:20 < zyp> but the grid to housing areas isn't neccesarily rated to get all that power to every garage
2016-02-25T16:06:21 < karlp> turtles all the way down man
2016-02-25T16:06:26 < zyp> so that's going to be the challenge
2016-02-25T16:06:32 < kakimir> zyp: well have tesla and plug it in 230 single phase
2016-02-25T16:06:33 < karlp> don't look to close at what's underneath any business.
2016-02-25T16:07:15 < zyp> kakimir, yeah? lots of people in norway do that
2016-02-25T16:07:36 < kakimir> it takes a whole day to charge it
2016-02-25T16:08:07 < zyp> kakimir, assuming it's empty when plugged in
2016-02-25T16:08:13 < BrainDamage> but do you deplete a whole charge everyday?
2016-02-25T16:09:25 < BrainDamage> the problem is not regular usage, you can easily predict if an electric car is good enough for you in that case
2016-02-25T16:09:45 < BrainDamage> it's the infrequent long distance trips where have the disadvantages
2016-02-25T16:10:47 < zyp> home charging isn't too relevant for long distance trips
2016-02-25T16:10:56 < kakimir> with 400volt single phase you charge car almost twice
2016-02-25T16:11:15 < kakimir> per time of one charge
2016-02-25T16:12:02 < zyp> but 400V single phase isn't a thing, you'd use three phase charging rather :p
2016-02-25T16:14:23 < kakimir> I can't do that math but that gives more power than your battery pack can handle
2016-02-25T16:15:20 < zyp> the way tesla do it is that their charger takes 16A 400V three phase, which gives three 230V 16A taps in a wye configuration around the neutral lead
2016-02-25T16:16:19 < zyp> when you hook it up to a single phase outlet, the car internally hooks two of the phase leads together so the taps becomes paralleled
2016-02-25T16:16:28 < kakimir> oh
2016-02-25T16:16:29 < kakimir> cool
2016-02-25T16:16:42 < zyp> in theory it could do 48A like that, but the neutral wiring is only rated to 32A, so it limits to that
2016-02-25T16:17:15 < kakimir> 3phase rectifier without neutral is quite challenging design
2016-02-25T16:17:24 < kakimir> it had some name by some dude
2016-02-25T16:17:33 < kakimir> it has like inductors and switching to it
2016-02-25T16:17:42 < zyp> early teslas didn't do this internally, so people hacked up charging cables with the phase leads hooked together :p
2016-02-25T16:18:03 < kakimir> oh.. tesla can't be smart all the time
2016-02-25T16:18:28 < zyp> but according to what I've read, they offer it as a free retrofit now
2016-02-25T16:18:35 < kakimir> they propably just hand out cars to hackers and see them hacking all day
2016-02-25T16:18:41 < zyp> haha
2016-02-25T16:19:02 < kakimir> with hidden cameras
2016-02-25T16:19:31 < kakimir> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/chcK03kjW3E/maxresdefault.jpg this car looks very cool
2016-02-25T16:20:19 < kakimir> like golf but athletic and without that bulk around it
2016-02-25T16:20:30 < dongs> wtc-hitting car
2016-02-25T16:21:07 < kakimir> also looks like that 5years and ricers are raeping that totally
2016-02-25T16:21:25 < kakimir> as those come second hand
2016-02-25T16:21:50 < kakimir> have that dirty cheap bodykit and a wing
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2016-02-25T16:34:42 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2016-02-25T16:34:44 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Xbb08AbSCbE
2016-02-25T16:34:53 < Laurenceb> its like 4chan made real
2016-02-25T16:35:12 < Laurenceb> every board makes a street appearance
2016-02-25T16:35:57 < kakimir> will I see transfurries to be beaten?
2016-02-25T16:36:10 < dongs> looks boring
2016-02-25T16:36:11 < dongs> bedtime
2016-02-25T16:37:17 < kakimir> hmm realization that 0603 is just nder 0.5mm in height.. I can populate those in backside too
2016-02-25T16:39:00 < kakimir> I have 1.1mm - film layer
2016-02-25T16:39:23 < kakimir> or 1.2mm - film layer
2016-02-25T16:41:27 < kakimir> recommends for the film?
2016-02-25T16:42:00 < kakimir> should not be electrostatic and should resist puncturing
2016-02-25T16:42:33 < kakimir> easy to cut retangular holes to it
2016-02-25T16:42:47 < kakimir> easy to glue or tape in bottom of enclosure
2016-02-25T16:43:14 < kakimir> 0.5mm or under in thickness
2016-02-25T16:43:39 < zyp> film?
2016-02-25T16:44:38 < englishman> egolf is just 24 kWh?
2016-02-25T16:44:59 < kakimir> just enought to daily commute and to to grocery store after that
2016-02-25T16:45:07 < kakimir> *go
2016-02-25T16:45:08 < zyp> englishman, yeah
2016-02-25T16:45:11 < englishman> ok
2016-02-25T16:45:27 < zyp> or something thereabouts
2016-02-25T16:46:25 < zyp> kakimir, my daily commute and groceries will consume <10% of that :p
2016-02-25T16:47:28 < zyp> in the winter, preheating the car before I leave work will probably consume more energy than the drive home itself
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2016-02-25T16:54:29 < kakimir> well that happens in mains connection if you are smart?
2016-02-25T16:54:48 < kakimir> and inside some half-warm garage?
2016-02-25T16:54:54 < Sync> got a short commute then zyp
2016-02-25T16:55:28 < kakimir> how you boot a electric car in -40C without mains connection?
2016-02-25T16:55:38 < Sync> you open it
2016-02-25T16:55:45 < Sync> it will heat the battery on its own
2016-02-25T16:56:10 < kakimir> lipo voltage drops to 0 in certain temperature
2016-02-25T16:56:18 < kakimir> try to pull amps to heat the battery
2016-02-25T16:57:51 < Sync> most of them will heat the battery in standby if they are that cold, or complain to you that you need to heat the battery first
2016-02-25T16:58:32 < zyp> kakimir, I don't think I'm smart enough to make a mains connection appear at the work parking lot
2016-02-25T16:58:55 < BrainDamage> just make norway warmer, problem solved
2016-02-25T16:59:35 < zyp> and considering that I'll arrive at work with 95%+ left on the battery, I don't think I have much of an argument to ask for one either :p
2016-02-25T17:00:58 < Sync> heh
2016-02-25T17:01:01 < Sync> yeah
2016-02-25T17:01:38 < Sync> having an electric car would change how I commute massively
2016-02-25T17:01:42 < zyp> and yeah, it's a short commute
2016-02-25T17:02:09 < kakimir> so battery temp are maintained while car is parked?
2016-02-25T17:02:15 < Sync> no
2016-02-25T17:02:20 < zyp> walking would take too long, but biking should be okay, but I don't really want to do that year round in all sorts of weather
2016-02-25T17:02:20 < Sync> but a minimum temp is kept
2016-02-25T17:02:29 < kakimir> yes minimum
2016-02-25T17:02:29 < zyp> depends on the car really
2016-02-25T17:02:37 < zyp> egolf doesn't have battery heating
2016-02-25T17:02:51 < kakimir> how does it even work?
2016-02-25T17:03:04 < karlp> same way as magnets
2016-02-25T17:03:04 < Sync> currently I just drive a bit down the autobahn and pop out to work
2016-02-25T17:04:09 < zyp> the batteries self-heat during use (both charge and discharge) due to internal resistance
2016-02-25T17:04:10 < kakimir> but without battery heating?
2016-02-25T17:04:17 < kakimir> okay
2016-02-25T17:04:21 < kakimir> only cooling
2016-02-25T17:04:32 < kakimir> no cooling?
2016-02-25T17:04:33 < zyp> so what lots of people do is schedule charging to complete just as they are leaving for work in the morning
2016-02-25T17:04:38 < zyp> no cooling in egolf either
2016-02-25T17:04:53 < zyp> apparently they found it weren't really necessary
2016-02-25T17:05:12 < qyx> you will self melt on your wat to work
2016-02-25T17:05:19 < qyx> *way
2016-02-25T17:05:26 < kakimir> so how afforable it is as it does minimilize everything?
2016-02-25T17:05:37 < zyp> how affordable is what?
2016-02-25T17:05:41 < kakimir> egolf
2016-02-25T17:05:54 < kakimir> compared to diesel one ie.
2016-02-25T17:06:11 < qyx> you don't have the right eco-mindset
2016-02-25T17:06:15 < zyp> well, norwegian tax benefits makes it very affordable, there's no VAT on EVs right now
2016-02-25T17:06:22 < kakimir> does it have single gear?
2016-02-25T17:06:24 < zyp> no registration fee, lots of free parking
2016-02-25T17:06:39 < zyp> and electricity is super cheap
2016-02-25T17:06:48 < kakimir> seperate motors for wheels or one motor?
2016-02-25T17:06:58 < zyp> oh, and no road tolls either
2016-02-25T17:07:07 < zyp> single motor, single reduction gear
2016-02-25T17:07:14 < zyp> so fixed ratio
2016-02-25T17:08:15 < zyp> I think I calculated that the price for DC fast charging is comparable to a economical gas/diesel car
2016-02-25T17:08:23 < kakimir> is there road tolls in norway?
2016-02-25T17:08:32 < zyp> but DC fast charging is like five times as expensive as home charging
2016-02-25T17:08:42 < zyp> yes, quite a lot of them
2016-02-25T17:08:47 < Sync> pfft
2016-02-25T17:08:53 < Sync> crooks
2016-02-25T17:09:03 < kakimir> so murican
2016-02-25T17:09:10 < kakimir> so european
2016-02-25T17:09:14 < zyp> it's also free or reduced price on a bunch of car ferries
2016-02-25T17:09:17 < Sync> I'd buy tesla, most probably if the charging would be quicker
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2016-02-25T17:10:16 < kakimir> there is no road tolls in funland
2016-02-25T17:12:09 < zyp> worst road tolls I've seen were in jp
2016-02-25T17:13:21 < kakimir> did they invent road tolls between city states in europe in some historic era?
2016-02-25T17:13:33 < Sync> yes
2016-02-25T17:13:44 < zyp> rented a car in jp once, ended up paying twice as much in road tolls as for gas
2016-02-25T17:15:08 < kakimir> propably road tolls where invented as road thefts had first time idea for legal business
2016-02-25T17:15:23 < zyp> haha
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2016-02-25T17:15:49 < emeb> robber barons!
2016-02-25T17:16:32 < Sync> wtf zyp
2016-02-25T17:16:32 < zyp> the idea here is often that roads should pay for themselves
2016-02-25T17:16:48 < zyp> especially bridges and tunnels and shit
2016-02-25T17:16:55 < emeb> same here.
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2016-02-25T17:17:07 < kakimir> in here roads are made every time people need to get paid
2016-02-25T17:17:36 < zyp> and then there's the toll zones in cities that aims to reduce congestion by making car use less attractive than bus/rail
2016-02-25T17:17:39 < emeb> but there's also a fair number of politicians who want to give franchises to their business buddies.
2016-02-25T17:17:53 < kakimir> also schools and shiet because perpetual motion... schools rot in 10years
2016-02-25T17:18:06 < zyp> Sync, yep
2016-02-25T17:18:10 < emeb> so they propose that public services be auctioned off to private industry who then can make a profit on it.
2016-02-25T17:18:33 < zyp> the japanese system is a bit different
2016-02-25T17:18:33 < kakimir> because no drying time for concrete and stuff and let the water rain in insulation too
2016-02-25T17:18:39 < Sync> I'd probably just drive on ALL the touges
2016-02-25T17:18:46 < zyp> in japan, there's tolls for all highways
2016-02-25T17:19:13 < emeb> trolls for all the highways
2016-02-25T17:19:23 < kakimir> in finland everything is handed right to buddies
2016-02-25T17:19:25 < zyp> most of them calculate price between where you enter and leave the highway system, so price follows distance pretty fairly
2016-02-25T17:19:49 < BrainDamage> we have the same system for highways
2016-02-25T17:19:50 < kakimir> it's not corruption but the way of country
2016-02-25T17:20:07 < Sync> can't you just drive around the highways? :D
2016-02-25T17:20:09 < emeb> one of the states here wants all cars to have GPS tags that the gov't can data mine & apply use-based road taxes.
2016-02-25T17:20:11 < BrainDamage> howrever, some local high traffic roads sometimes have tolls, and those have absurd costs
2016-02-25T17:20:18 < zyp> Sync, yes, that's entirely possible
2016-02-25T17:20:32 < emeb> because electric vehicles don't pay gasoline taxes that fund highways.
2016-02-25T17:20:37 < BrainDamage> emeb: we have insurance packets which charge based on car distance
2016-02-25T17:20:50 < zyp> but it's slow as fuck, because you'll be driving through a ton of signalled intersections
2016-02-25T17:20:51 < BrainDamage> and they require you to install a device in your car
2016-02-25T17:21:05 < Sync> http://img10.deviantart.net/dd93/i/2013/125/0/8/touge_spirit___rx7_by_jhaqastar-d647lgo.jpg liek that
2016-02-25T17:21:11 < emeb> BrainDamage: yes - seen those. Of course you don't have to buy that insurance, whereas the state tax system is mandatory.
2016-02-25T17:21:17 < zyp> BrainDamage, doesn't all insurance packets do that?
2016-02-25T17:21:37 < BrainDamage> no, we have a choice between flat rates, and proportional ones
2016-02-25T17:21:54 < zyp> oh, directly proportional ones
2016-02-25T17:21:57 < zyp> we don't have that
2016-02-25T17:22:06 < zyp> just a bunch of fixed packages
2016-02-25T17:22:35 < emeb> civil liberties types are all riled up because privacy of course.
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2016-02-25T17:22:50 < emeb> "they're tracking everywhere you go!"
2016-02-25T17:22:55 < Sync> they are illegal here because of them privacies
2016-02-25T17:22:56 < Sync> well
2016-02-25T17:23:01 < Sync> I'd not put such a thing in my car
2016-02-25T17:23:03 < zyp> Sync, yeah, we actually did drive some mountain passes on that trip
2016-02-25T17:23:20 < emeb> buddy of mine had one of those GPS insurance deals.
2016-02-25T17:23:28 < zyp> but we used highways to get out of tokyo and back
2016-02-25T17:23:49 < emeb> the software in the tracking tag was bad - didn't properly apply power control. Drained the battery of his car.
2016-02-25T17:23:57 < zyp> haha
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2016-02-25T17:24:35 < Sync> yeah the japanese have some srs touges
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2016-02-25T17:25:31 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/f/EkuKu.JPG
2016-02-25T17:25:38 < emeb> he parked in an underground garage so there was no GPS. Apparently instead of going to sleep when it lost satellite lock it went into full-on acquisition mode.
2016-02-25T17:26:11 < Sync> that looks like fun zyp
2016-02-25T17:26:17 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/f/YAIEu.JPG <- pretty nice views too
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2016-02-25T17:27:00 < BrainDamage> http://www.altarezianews.it/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/4382233_6_ce89_le-col-du-stelvio-a-2-758-m-d-altitude-est_b40292e98194806b948238d6312d509a.jpg 150km from my home
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2016-02-25T17:27:02 < emeb> such cute little cars
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2016-02-25T17:27:23 < Sync> holy shit, some of the touge racers really mean it
2016-02-25T17:28:03 < zyp> emeb, yeah, that's also why we only paid half as much in gas as in road tolls :p
2016-02-25T17:28:19 < zyp> BrainDamage, nice, where's that?
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2016-02-25T17:28:48 < emeb> zyp: I approve of little cars.
2016-02-25T17:29:35 < Sync> zyp: stelvio
2016-02-25T17:29:37 < BrainDamage> passo dello stelvio, italy's highest mountain pass
2016-02-25T17:29:45 < BrainDamage> 2nd highest in eu
2016-02-25T17:29:45 < Sync> stilfser joch
2016-02-25T17:29:59 < zyp> http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/photos/000/883/overrides/fog-trollstigen-norway_88373_990x742.jpg <- we have this in norway, I've drove that a couple of times
2016-02-25T17:30:09 < BrainDamage> i tried once doing it on a bike
2016-02-25T17:30:14 < BrainDamage> as in bycicle
2016-02-25T17:30:21 < zyp> up? :)
2016-02-25T17:30:24 < BrainDamage> yes
2016-02-25T17:30:25 < emeb> BrainDamage: wasn't that featured in "the italian job"?
2016-02-25T17:30:36 < BrainDamage> you leave a piece of soul off during the climb
2016-02-25T17:30:41 < kakimir> worst place I have driven was italy
2016-02-25T17:30:45 < kakimir> tolls
2016-02-25T17:31:00 < BrainDamage> there's a km section where distance is literally painted because of the slope and fatigue
2016-02-25T17:31:06 < BrainDamage> emeb: iirc yes
2016-02-25T17:31:07 < kakimir> crazy granpas crashing into you
2016-02-25T17:31:17 < kakimir> not that wide roads
2016-02-25T17:31:24 < zyp> trollstigen is always full of tourists
2016-02-25T17:31:44 < zyp> so it's fun driving up with the accelerator floored while trying to avoid hitting any
2016-02-25T17:31:57 < kakimir> in sicily literally every car has a dent
2016-02-25T17:32:06 < zyp> and hope you don't meet a tourist bus in one of the curves
2016-02-25T17:32:07 < kakimir> almost
2016-02-25T17:32:12 < Sync> the problem with stelvio is that it is too known
2016-02-25T17:32:20 < zyp> haha
2016-02-25T17:32:21 < Sync> there are much nicer smaller passes where you can go all out
2016-02-25T17:33:15 < zyp> I've been driving for ten years and I've yet to hit another car, I hope I can keep that up when I get my new one :p
2016-02-25T17:33:43 < BrainDamage> i admittedly drive like an asshole, but no accidents yet
2016-02-25T17:34:10 < zyp> I'm pretty sure some would argue that I drive like an asshole too :p
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2016-02-25T17:49:48 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e5b_1456375841
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2016-02-25T18:14:04 < karlp> you guys and your windy mountain roads with like, actual bitumen and walls on them: http://s18.postimg.org/s0cm6vxjt/20140717_123001.jpg
2016-02-25T18:16:37 < jpa-> https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/6/24/1435142561870/5fd38290-d48a-4d43-94d6-e7c8129c7560-1020x1020.jpeg?w=700&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=475c75ee4869938affc91da56835e85d    typical finnish hill
2016-02-25T18:16:54 < zyp> I had some friends visiting last week, they went out for a drive while I were at work and found this: https://scontent.fsvg1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlp1/t31.0-8/12747376_989684491122383_3761421749790825656_o.jpg
2016-02-25T18:20:34 < Sync> heh
2016-02-25T18:20:35 < Sync> nice
2016-02-25T18:21:22 < Sync> oh noice karlp
2016-02-25T18:21:26 < aandrew> Three pregnant women are sitting in the waiting room at an obstetrician's office, knitting to pass the time as they wait.
2016-02-25T18:21:33 < aandrew> The first woman pulls a bottle out of her purse and takes a pill. Curious, the other two ask her what she is taking. "Calcium," she responds, "because I want my baby to have healthy bones."
2016-02-25T18:21:38 < aandrew> Another woman, remembering that she should take her vitamin, pulls a bottle out of her purse and takes a pill. Again, the other two women ask her what she is taking. "Iron, so my baby will grow up to be strong."
2016-02-25T18:21:43 < aandrew> The third woman pulls a bottle out of her purse and takes a pill meeting the obvious questions of what and why. "Thalidomide," she replies, "because I can't get the damn arms on this sweater right!"
2016-02-25T18:21:57 < jpa-> aandrew: you got *three* women pregnant?
2016-02-25T18:22:05 < aandrew> at least
2016-02-25T18:30:48 < karlp> jpa-: hehe .)
2016-02-25T18:31:33 < karlp> it was some thalidomide anniversary the other day wasn't it?
2016-02-25T18:34:12 < Sync> interestingly it helps against lepra
2016-02-25T18:37:07 < jpa-> https://www.zephyrproject.org/doc/about_zephyr.html   "Distinguishing Features: Lack of error checking"
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2016-02-25T18:40:58 < karlp> yeah, I don't really understand what the selling point there is with zephyr
2016-02-25T18:41:17 < zyp> awesome, that means there'll be no errors you'll have to handle
2016-02-25T18:42:44 < jpa-> karlp: yeah, does not look particularly great for an rtos
2016-02-25T18:43:19 < jpa-> the distinction between fibers and tasks confuses me; if fibers still have their own stack, what is the problem in making them pre-emptible also?
2016-02-25T18:45:14 < zyp> probably to distinguish between shit that can get preempted and shit that can't
2016-02-25T18:46:14 < zyp> locking stuff is much more important between preemptible threads
2016-02-25T18:47:10 < zyp> while fibers might be viewed as atomic between yields
2016-02-25T18:47:14 < zyp> I guess
2016-02-25T18:47:16 < jpa-> i would have expected fibers to be stackless (well, to share a single stack among all)
2016-02-25T18:47:43 < jpa-> but i guess that would be called workqueue then
2016-02-25T18:47:48 < zyp> C doesn't really have any facility for that
2016-02-25T18:48:20 < zyp> except for macros wrapping a switch/case structure :p
2016-02-25T18:48:36 < jpa-> yeah, if you actually need to yield from the fiber
2016-02-25T18:48:54 < jpa-> i wonder for what purpose a non-pre-emptible, yielding fiber would be optimal
2016-02-25T18:49:24 < zyp> I wish C++ got support for some sort of coroutines
2016-02-25T18:50:24 < zyp> shouldn't be much harder than adding a keyword that makes the compiler allocate its stack frame from the heap instead, and some glue code
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2016-02-25T18:51:38 < kakimir> I think I will use copper washers under pcb to make electrical connection to cast aluminium case
2016-02-25T18:51:43 < jpa-> it would be nice if there was a simple way to redefine "allocate stack frame" and "return from stack frame"
2016-02-25T18:51:55 < kakimir> more ground there is the better
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2016-02-25T19:18:57 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVlhMGQgDkY stm32 evolved
2016-02-25T19:20:07 < kakimir> to kill
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2016-02-26T00:16:06 < crt> sup STM32z and fr33lancers!
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2016-02-26T00:37:18 < Rickta59> is there any advantage to having trst and rst when using debugging?
2016-02-26T00:37:52 < Rickta59> I'm messing around with using a raspberry pi2 as a jtag debugger via openocd and it seems to run fun if i just set it up to ignore the hw reset stuff
2016-02-26T00:38:15 < Rickta59> would I gain anything by configuring to work with the hw reset pins?
2016-02-26T00:38:23 < zyp> trst is useless
2016-02-26T00:38:33 < zyp> nrst is useful in certain circumstances
2016-02-26T00:38:51 < Rickta59> like?
2016-02-26T00:39:18 < zyp> when software somehow disables the jtag interface
2016-02-26T00:39:24 < Rickta59> ah ..
2016-02-26T00:39:32 < zyp> then it's useful to be able to put the target in reset to regain control of it
2016-02-26T00:39:50 < Rickta59> ok .. yeah i leave the jtag pins alone
2016-02-26T00:39:52 < zyp> a notable reason are sleep modes
2016-02-26T00:40:10 < Rickta59> k
2016-02-26T00:40:16 < zyp> because jtag interface also gets put to sleep
2016-02-26T00:40:21 < Rickta59> yeah i haven't worried about making the stm32 chips sleep
2016-02-26T00:40:41 < zyp> or gpio pins can be reconfigured to disable the jtag function
2016-02-26T00:41:00 < Rickta59> yeah i've done that inadvertenly
2016-02-26T00:41:03 < zyp> but yeah, for normal use, you don't need any reset lines
2016-02-26T00:41:26 < Rickta59> but i have a jumper on my board that lets you get access anyways .. the boot0 thing
2016-02-26T00:41:29 < zyp> as long as the jtag interface is available, you can trigger a system reset over that as well
2016-02-26T00:41:44 < Rickta59> k thanks
2016-02-26T00:43:14 < Rickta59> http://www.stm32duino.com/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=940 ... a config file for the RPI2 to debug over swd for an stm32f103
2016-02-26T01:02:45 < crt> hoo got http://i.imgur.com/fPlyOom.jpg
2016-02-26T01:26:51 < kakimir> stm32duino.. crazy crossbreeding going on
2016-02-26T01:27:54 < kakimir> I wonder if I can take it if I sell some led controller solution for 500eur or so
2016-02-26T01:28:25 < kakimir> and then see some chinamen getting a truckload of money
2016-02-26T01:30:04 < kakimir> or some murican selling it for chinese
2016-02-26T01:30:15 < kakimir> for a pile of money
2016-02-26T01:31:05 < kakimir> It's really how money works
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2016-02-26T01:37:43 < kakimir> freelance race to bottom
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2016-02-26T01:56:16 < kakimir> I feel my absent soul draining every time I write something to thise chinese buyers
2016-02-26T01:56:30 < kakimir> they dont propably even have the little money I ask for
2016-02-26T01:57:45 < kakimir> if I get the task time I have been writing will have propably under 10eur/hour pay without counting the task itself
2016-02-26T01:58:02 < kakimir> that will have under 1eur/hour pay
2016-02-26T01:58:03 < kakimir> :D
2016-02-26T02:00:20 < kakimir> I need to become lawyer as half of my poetry is terms
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2016-02-26T02:46:23 < crt> freelancin' here and there
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2016-02-26T02:47:25 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/WESsLmh
2016-02-26T02:50:52 < kakimir> freelancing turn you full time pakistani
2016-02-26T02:50:59 < kakimir> *turn you into
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2016-02-26T03:23:32 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/M5guEE8.gifv
2016-02-26T03:24:25 < Sync> the fuck does he do
2016-02-26T03:24:59 < dongs> pumping
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2016-02-26T03:25:52 < crt> yo dong
2016-02-26T03:26:37 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Architecture/Minimal-Water-Sensor/
2016-02-26T03:28:47 < dongs> ESP14/88 + some i2c humidity sensor + led?
2016-02-26T03:28:51 < Sync> yep
2016-02-26T03:29:02 < dongs> literally the entire setup, just run whatever tarduino code on the shit
2016-02-26T03:29:12 < dongs> but im not writing an assdroid app for $750
2016-02-26T03:30:07 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/software-development/Manufacture-Product-for-9766174/
2016-02-26T03:30:19 < dongs> so vague
2016-02-26T03:31:14 < kakimir> Sync: moonwalk
2016-02-26T03:31:18 < Sync> yeah the assdroid app is the problem
2016-02-26T03:31:32 < dongs> then again
2016-02-26T03:31:43 < dongs> just a webpaeg is e nough??
2016-02-26T03:31:46 < dongs> from wifi thing.
2016-02-26T03:31:53 < Sync> https://www.freelancer.com/u/solafort.html such a pro
2016-02-26T03:31:55 < dongs> he cna pay extra $1k for notifications
2016-02-26T03:32:16 < dongs> aids
2016-02-26T03:33:47 < dongs> also why does this trivial shit need an NDA
2016-02-26T03:34:09 < kakimir> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Anaximander_world_map-en.svg pro map
2016-02-26T03:37:02 < Sync> because he is 2pro4u
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2016-02-26T03:48:56 < kakimir> can I use testpoints as a fiducials?
2016-02-26T03:49:12 < dongs> why not? as long as they're not drills
2016-02-26T03:49:22 < kakimir> testpoints tend to have silkscreen circle aroun
2016-02-26T03:49:40 < dongs> you dont want to use silk as fiducial
2016-02-26T03:49:47 < dongs> or drills
2016-02-26T03:49:50 < dongs> because neither is accurate
2016-02-26T03:49:54 < kakimir> yes
2016-02-26T03:50:00 < dongs> you want to use a SMT pad
2016-02-26T03:50:05 < kakimir> but if there is silk around that copper dot
2016-02-26T03:50:09 < dongs> doesnt matter
2016-02-26T03:50:26 < kakimir> what if the dot has via in center of it?
2016-02-26T03:50:29 < dongs> no
2016-02-26T03:50:36 < dongs> well, depends on how vision handles it
2016-02-26T03:50:50 < dongs> is the pad much bigger than the via?
2016-02-26T03:50:57 < dongs> also, why do you even care
2016-02-26T03:51:10 < dongs> its not like youre gonna get your shitty boards full of SMA connectors acutalyl assembled anywehre
2016-02-26T03:51:26 < kakimir> yes
2016-02-26T03:51:46 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/electrical-engineers-needed-bid-quickly/
2016-02-26T03:51:49 < dongs> holy fuck
2016-02-26T03:51:51 < dongs> this paki is a powerhouse
2016-02-26T03:51:56 < dongs> over 1000 projects
2016-02-26T03:52:02 < dongs> i wonder how many of them were > $50
2016-02-26T03:54:20 < kakimir> can you scam in freelancers?
2016-02-26T03:54:27 < kakimir> as a service seller?
2016-02-26T03:54:44 < kakimir> obiviously you can and will as a buyer most likely
2016-02-26T03:55:04 < kakimir> get the shiet and keep the money
2016-02-26T03:58:21 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZXVENW12SzBxRmc/view?usp=sharing board intensifies
2016-02-26T03:59:27 < kakimir> it can be done with SMAs and I don't lose anything
2016-02-26T03:59:35 < kakimir> but a week more time to fit all together
2016-02-26T04:00:29 < kakimir> I need to pinch outline in both directions by 3mm if I want to fit board in 1590Z120 lid instead of bottom of the case part
2016-02-26T04:02:17 < kakimir> I added mount holes to both side of main inductor because bridge transistors are around there in the bottom
2016-02-26T04:02:24 < kakimir> not just one side
2016-02-26T04:04:47 < dongs> you dont even have any space for MCU0
2016-02-26T04:05:38 < kakimir> I arrange space in the bottom right
2016-02-26T04:05:55 < aandrew> Dhttps://i.imgur.com/gIWgWsh.jpg
2016-02-26T04:07:39 < dongs> old as shit
2016-02-26T04:08:30 < dongs> how hard would it be to lookup a person who was #x at ACM-ICPC BOSPRE 2 years in a row
2016-02-26T04:08:42 < dongs> thats like 10 people to check max
2016-02-26T04:10:22 < upgrdman> lool http://i.imgur.com/3jvv9B2.gifv
2016-02-26T04:12:04 < dongs> pissed off kitty
2016-02-26T04:13:49 < upgrdman> lolwut  http://i.imgur.com/Hdd9p4C.jpg
2016-02-26T04:17:21 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/Design-Product-9763313/
2016-02-26T04:17:22 < dongs> haha
2016-02-26T04:17:47 < Sync> http://pjreddie.com/static/Redmon%20Resume.pdf dongs
2016-02-26T04:18:04 < dongs> ah
2016-02-26T04:18:16 < Sync> google autodoxxed him for me
2016-02-26T04:18:30 < Sync> acm icpc bospre + joseph got me that
2016-02-26T04:18:35 < dongs> ya probly
2016-02-26T04:19:48 < dongs> teamviewer keeps fuckign with thier website
2016-02-26T04:20:01 < dongs> now its all web.faggot
2016-02-26T04:20:09 < upgrdman> http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/1915101/chinese-factory-worker-cooks-and-eats-employers-wild-corgi
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2016-02-26T04:20:46 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/0OAQ3Wx
2016-02-26T04:23:37 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKblFqNlo4M2lyRVE/view?usp=sharing true pro
2016-02-26T04:26:49 < kakimir> plenty of room for wires
2016-02-26T04:26:52 < kakimir> traces
2016-02-26T04:27:13 < kakimir> 4layer board no problemas
2016-02-26T04:34:40 < kakimir> I wonder if there is some really good pass-out pills for sleeping managements
2016-02-26T04:35:30 < kakimir> I ate some few years back and had really nice nightmares
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2016-02-26T04:45:29 < kakimir> sup sup
2016-02-26T04:47:14 < crt> proz lancerz pumperz
2016-02-26T04:48:54 < crt> not much brah
2016-02-26T04:49:18 < crt> i lost my glasses
2016-02-26T04:51:18 < crt> too bored here
2016-02-26T04:51:53 < crt> i get paid to sit here though
2016-02-26T04:52:41 < crt> co-workers whinge like women if i leave early
2016-02-26T04:54:23 < upgrdman> kakimir, too many trim pots. time to join the 90's and use an mcu to store calib data and correct shit.
2016-02-26T04:54:40 < kakimir> it's not calib
2016-02-26T04:55:20 < kakimir> it gives it general usability without external programming device
2016-02-26T04:55:54 < kakimir> per application board can be forked out of that board
2016-02-26T04:56:07 < kakimir> too much shiet for specific uses
2016-02-26T04:58:05 < crt> i could work here and get paid to do freelancer jobs too
2016-02-26T04:59:14 < kakimir> you would also look busy
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2016-02-26T05:02:01 < crt> nobody is watching :3
2016-02-26T05:02:27 < kakimir> it's for your self-esteem
2016-02-26T05:02:34 < crt> i see
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2016-02-26T06:13:37 < upgrdman> anyone know if theres an eclipse or visual studio plugin for checking MISRA C compliance?
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2016-02-26T06:23:27 < dongs> not free, no
2016-02-26T06:23:45 < upgrdman> k :(
2016-02-26T06:24:03 < dongs> even the standard itself isn't free how you expect freetards to give away testing/checking thing for it
2016-02-26T06:24:16  * upgrdman hugs mother russia
2016-02-26T06:24:17 < upgrdman> http://caxapa.ru/thumbs/468328/misra-c-2004.pdf
2016-02-26T06:24:29 < dongs> yeah .ru sounds like an official site for it
2016-02-26T06:24:39 < englishman> cant be that good if its waht toyota uses
2016-02-26T06:24:40 < upgrdman> sufficiently official
2016-02-26T06:27:44 < upgrdman> dongs, i was surprised to see the price for misra c is just 10GBP... very cheap.
2016-02-26T06:29:49 < dongs> oh for officail standard?
2016-02-26T06:29:54 < upgrdman> ya
2016-02-26T06:29:57 < upgrdman> lemme get linky
2016-02-26T06:30:05 < dongs> yeah its on goolge
2016-02-26T06:30:08 < dongs> http://www.misra.org.uk/Buyonline/tabid/58/Default.aspx
2016-02-26T06:30:17 < upgrdman> ya that
2016-02-26T06:30:23 < dongs> looks like 15
2016-02-26T06:30:33 < dongs> everything except misra C is 10
2016-02-26T06:30:58 < upgrdman> oh lol didnt see the "except"... so ya 15gbp
2016-02-26T06:31:11 < upgrdman> still, like $23? not bad at all
2016-02-26T06:31:19 < upgrdman> ISO fucking rapes my employer
2016-02-26T06:31:47 < upgrdman> ISO/IEC aren't even nice enough to use lube when they bend us over
2016-02-26T06:33:48 < dongs> right
2016-02-26T06:34:04 < dongs> i bought some trivial junk from iec that was digital-tv related shit
2016-02-26T06:34:11 < dongs> like 6 pages of acutal content
2016-02-26T06:34:18 < dongs> was 200-3ooeur or someshit
2016-02-26T06:34:19 < dongs> retard.
2016-02-26T06:34:22 < dongs> ed
2016-02-26T06:34:25  * upgrdman nods
2016-02-26T06:35:15 < dongs> > ugh to use lube when they bend us over
2016-02-26T06:35:15 < dongs> 13:33 < dongs> right
2016-02-26T06:35:17 < dongs> err
2016-02-26T06:35:22 < dongs> >
2016-02-26T06:35:22 < dongs> This document is temporarily out of stock.
2016-02-26T06:35:25 < dongs> ?????
2016-02-26T06:35:27 < dongs> how the fuck
2016-02-26T06:35:28 < dongs> can PDF
2016-02-26T06:35:30 < dongs> be out of stock
2016-02-26T06:35:34 < englishman> all sold out of pdfs
2016-02-26T06:35:38 < upgrdman> lol
2016-02-26T06:37:31 < englishman> C compilers that support MISRA conformance are
2016-02-26T06:37:34 < englishman> IAR Systems. MISRA C:1998, C:2004, C:2012, C++:2008.
2016-02-26T06:37:37 < englishman> just use IAR
2016-02-26T06:38:29 < upgrdman> well i actually want to look into this for work AND non-work shit, in an attempt to better myself, so i'd like to do it with gcc if possible
2016-02-26T06:38:52 < upgrdman> also so i can point to something when i bitch out some of my coworkers
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2016-02-26T06:39:12 < englishman> dongs u tard
2016-02-26T06:39:17 < englishman> the hardcover is oos
2016-02-26T06:39:27 < dongs> oh
2016-02-26T06:39:45 < dongs> upgrdman: just dont write shitty code
2016-02-26T06:39:50 < dongs> there, you're 99% misra-c compliant
2016-02-26T06:39:54 < upgrdman> i know
2016-02-26T06:40:16 < upgrdman> from a quick skim of the .ru pdf, it looks like im damn near compliant already
2016-02-26T06:40:28 < upgrdman> i think my only big issue is packed structs
2016-02-26T06:40:53 < upgrdman> but i could probably unpack if it came down to it
2016-02-26T06:41:03 < dongs> the fuck is that?
2016-02-26T06:41:24 < upgrdman> like have a struct full of booleans, where each bool takes up 1 bit
2016-02-26T06:41:35 < upgrdman> so i dont have to fuck with bitchwise operators
2016-02-26T06:41:48 < dongs> you mean bitfields?
2016-02-26T06:41:54 < upgrdman> err
2016-02-26T06:42:01 < upgrdman> oops wrong answer. i use both
2016-02-26T06:42:13 < upgrdman> packed structs are where you tell the compiler not to pad
2016-02-26T06:42:20 < dongs> struct { bool nigger:1; bool loser:1; } etc
2016-02-26T06:42:26 < upgrdman> e.g. a uint8_t wont be word aligned
2016-02-26T06:42:27 < dongs> oh, pragma pack shit
2016-02-26T06:42:35 < dongs> or whatever is gccism for it
2016-02-26T06:42:51 < upgrdman> __attribute__ ((__packed__)) iirc
2016-02-26T06:42:58 < englishman> )) __ppackgisattibrute__
2016-02-26T06:42:59 < englishman> f u
2016-02-26T06:43:03 < englishman> i was typing that
2016-02-26T06:43:05 < upgrdman> lol
2016-02-26T06:43:07 < englishman> attibrute: paki
2016-02-26T06:44:05 < dongs> pragma pack() works in keil, msvc, and g cc
2016-02-26T06:44:10 < dongs> __attribute trash only works in gcc
2016-02-26T06:44:18 < dongs> good job making your code useless from the start
2016-02-26T06:44:19 < upgrdman> hmm
2016-02-26T06:44:48 < englishman> what this then dongs https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/master/src/sbus.c#L51
2016-02-26T06:45:07 < dongs> englishman: i build wiht --gnu or someshit
2016-02-26T06:45:10 < dongs> it adds that exception
2016-02-26T06:45:14 < englishman> ah
2016-02-26T06:54:57 < upgrdman> lolwut... misra c "Rule 2.2 (required): Source code shall only use /* … */ style comments."
2016-02-26T06:55:01 < upgrdman> fuck that shit
2016-02-26T07:02:41 < Peter_M> cowboy dongs music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vcKPyF1WGk
2016-02-26T07:08:25 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/VJ5b5wl.jpg
2016-02-26T07:11:13 < upgrdman> lol
2016-02-26T07:12:34 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velocity_factor
2016-02-26T07:12:39 < dongs> wat
2016-02-26T07:12:53 < Peter_M> what wat?
2016-02-26T07:13:03 < dongs> Plenum data cable typically has a VF between 0.42 and 0.72 (42% to 72% of the speed of light) and riser cable around 0.70. A VF of 0.70 corresponds to a speed of approximately 210,000,000 m/s or 4.76 ns to travel one meter.
2016-02-26T07:13:07 < dongs> isnt that kinda slow?
2016-02-26T07:13:25 < dongs> and most importantly, will buying a $10,000 ethernet cable improve this?
2016-02-26T07:13:35 < Peter_M> yes its slow, no  it wont
2016-02-26T07:16:00 < englishman> 42% the speed of light still gets you a traffic ticket
2016-02-26T07:19:45 < Peter_M> 42% the speed of light and your wife still complains you're too quick
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2016-02-26T07:30:15 < jpa-> dongs: it is possible to improve velocity factor while keeping the characteristic impedance the same; this means reducing the capacitance and inductance of the cable, basically making it thicker.. but simplest solution is just to use fiber :P
2016-02-26T07:43:10 < dongs> attn zyp https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Architecture/Write-some-Firmware-for-the/
2016-02-26T07:44:04 < dongs> > 2000 devices
2016-02-26T07:44:08 < dongs> what the actual fuck
2016-02-26T07:49:28 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/full-electronis-outside-case-product/
2016-02-26T07:49:31 < dongs> haha
2016-02-26T08:00:25 < dongs> do you think i would take that project
2016-02-26T08:00:26 < dongs> lol
2016-02-26T08:02:02 < Peter_M> R2COM, dongs doesn't sweat like a 1 armed bricklayer in baghdad, he isn't a broke paki, he dont need no free lancer
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2016-02-26T08:17:30 < dongs> holy shit
2016-02-26T08:17:34 < dongs> emailed lontium
2016-02-26T08:17:46 < dongs> received personal reply in 5 minutes
2016-02-26T08:17:57 < dongs> now that's how a semiconductor vendor should work
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2016-02-26T08:31:06 < dongs> received datasheet 20 mins after initial contact.
2016-02-26T08:33:02 < dongs> ugh they have a fucking 8051 onboard
2016-02-26T08:33:09 < dongs> i hope i dont have to acutally use it to configure nad can just setup shit over i2c
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2016-02-26T08:41:33 < crt> the pumper lab has reopened
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2016-02-26T08:44:20 < crt> http://i.imgur.com/sQqUPod.jpg
2016-02-26T08:44:24 < crt> fully eevblog approved
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2016-02-26T09:11:14 < dongs> lol why is upverter caching datasheets
2016-02-26T09:11:18 < dongs> on their shitty site
2016-02-26T09:12:22 < crt> dunno what upverter is
2016-02-26T09:12:30 < dongs> shitty cloud EDA
2016-02-26T09:12:33 < crt> fuck that shit
2016-02-26T09:12:44 < dongs> absolutely
2016-02-26T09:13:37 < crt> no time for those c**ts
2016-02-26T09:15:11 < dekar> I've never used semihosting, does it work well? Can you use it selectively? I'd still want my fopen() to hit the internal SD.
2016-02-26T09:16:32 < jpa-> sure, you can just use your own code to call semihosting instead of the newlib interface (which would map everything)
2016-02-26T09:16:41 < jpa-> in my experience semihosting works ok but is slowish
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2016-02-26T09:25:44 < crt> cortana is skynet
2016-02-26T09:26:26 < dongs>  more like newblib
2016-02-26T09:26:32 < dongs> cant you just write shit directly to ITM
2016-02-26T09:26:38 < dongs> write your own debugprintf() or whatever
2016-02-26T09:26:54 < dongs> jpa-: it is slow, thats just how it works
2016-02-26T09:33:32  * crt throws an empty bottle at dongs 
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2016-02-26T09:46:05 < crt> you come back here now son
2016-02-26T09:47:13 < crt> http://www.oritech.com.au/JT_dash_2C/JBC-Digital-High-Power-Hot-Air-Station/pd.php
2016-02-26T09:47:40 < dongs> 1000W into tip?
2016-02-26T09:48:20 < crt> i just want to play with it
2016-02-26T09:48:25 < crt> its hot air
2016-02-26T09:48:32 < dongs> oh
2016-02-26T09:48:38 < dongs> holy shit
2016-02-26T09:48:40 < dongs> $2.5k for hot air
2016-02-26T09:48:55 < crt> tried to get the salesman to desoder a qfp208 with the 'precision 400w' jbc
2016-02-26T09:49:02 < crt> he munted the board like a banana
2016-02-26T09:49:05 < crt> was hilarious
2016-02-26T09:49:27 < crt> was at least a 6 layer
2016-02-26T09:49:33 < crt> would you preheat that bastard?
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2016-02-26T09:50:13 < crt> preheating is like 20 degrees away from melting chipquik
2016-02-26T09:52:02 < crt> zeroth law of thermodynamics ensures a good time fo rall
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2016-02-26T09:59:07 < dongs> 2 hours later chinks are sending me EVB + free sample ICs
2016-02-26T09:59:13 < dongs> would be cool if every vendor did this kinda shit.
2016-02-26T09:59:59 < crt> fried?
2016-02-26T10:00:16 < crt> or just ch exclusive stuff?
2016-02-26T10:00:24 < dongs> eh, it looks like original china stuff
2016-02-26T10:00:34 < crt> yeah
2016-02-26T10:00:47 < crt> had no issue getting samples off linear and coilcraft
2016-02-26T10:01:26 < crt> then their distributors wanted to give me samplezz too
2016-02-26T10:01:28 < dongs> oh sure.
2016-02-26T10:01:28 < crt> the dogs
2016-02-26T10:01:42 < dongs> i mean stuff that needs NDA + contacting "distributor" to buy etc.
2016-02-26T10:01:45 < crt> also national semi
2016-02-26T10:01:47 < dongs> 2 hour turnaround for that is pretty impressive
2016-02-26T10:01:48 < crt> okay
2016-02-26T10:01:54 < crt> i agree for sure
2016-02-26T10:02:07 < crt> what are you makin' there?
2016-02-26T10:02:14 < dongs> anyone can click 'order sample' on ti.com to get a feww LDO for a hobbyproj
2016-02-26T10:02:21 < crt> fuck those cucks
2016-02-26T10:02:50 < crt> ldos are for pussys
2016-02-26T10:02:55 < crt> well not quite.
2016-02-26T10:03:24 < crt> hobbyists can go to jaycar and pay $6,00 for a 7805
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2016-02-26T10:07:09 < crt> fuck i'm bored.
2016-02-26T10:08:07 < BrainDamage> start a dickstarter project
2016-02-26T10:09:34 < crt> nah i figured i'd not calculate my switching losses
2016-02-26T10:09:49 < crt> just touch the device with the end of my dick when i raise the gate resistance after an hour of runtime
2016-02-26T10:10:21 < crt> sound reasonable?
2016-02-26T10:12:02 < crt> kickstarter can cuck off
2016-02-26T10:12:03 < BrainDamage> 1h is quite overkill
2016-02-26T10:12:05 < dongs> start a freelancer project to start your dickstarter project
2016-02-26T10:12:13 < crt> good idea dong
2016-02-26T10:12:29 < crt> i actually have an idea - start a freelancer for everytime your boss asks for you to do something
2016-02-26T10:12:31 < BrainDamage> the thermal constants should be in order of tens of seconds
2016-02-26T10:12:40 < crt> good point bd
2016-02-26T10:12:43 < dongs> the problem is that you have a boss
2016-02-26T10:13:27 < crt> the problem is the boss actually asks me what to do
2016-02-26T10:14:05 < BrainDamage> also, if you didn't design using your dick, you should've already chosen the switching freq so that switching losses equal to driving losses
2016-02-26T10:15:09 < crt> mmm
2016-02-26T10:15:18 < crt> nah i'm thinking cispr15 conducted
2016-02-26T10:16:04 < crt> and i don't want a whacking big common mode filter either for radiated emissions
2016-02-26T10:16:29 < crt> so i need to comfortably switch at 300khz or so
2016-02-26T10:16:50 < crt> have something to comfortably chew up the losses in groundplane copper
2016-02-26T10:17:13 < crt> emc drives this design nothing else really.
2016-02-26T10:17:31 < BrainDamage> so slap so many thermal vias beakmir would be proud and call it a day?
2016-02-26T10:17:46 < crt> but its the switching node
2016-02-26T10:17:59 < crt> id rather keep it small..... dv/dt and such
2016-02-26T10:18:17 < crt> and i'd like to tame rise times
2016-02-26T10:21:33 < crt> the thermal mass of the switching device does the work anyway.
2016-02-26T10:22:18 < BrainDamage> thermal capacity only extracts average, doesn't provide dissipation, the thermal resistivity does
2016-02-26T10:22:30 < crt> yeah
2016-02-26T10:22:56 < crt> that's why i can rely on real world measurements
2016-02-26T10:23:09 < crt> or not?
2016-02-26T10:23:42 < crt> i'm merely an engineer grad.... don't really have a ton of experience
2016-02-26T10:23:46 < BrainDamage> you'll have no idea about the amount of power, but you'll be able to tell if it will fry or not
2016-02-26T10:23:55 < BrainDamage> which is good enough i guess
2016-02-26T10:23:55 < crt> that's fine
2016-02-26T10:24:00 < crt> i can calculate it
2016-02-26T10:24:35 < BrainDamage> i mean from measuring temp, you'll have no idea about the thermal resistivity because you have quite a few factors in parallel
2016-02-26T10:24:37 < crt> nothing in my trials has surprised me
2016-02-26T10:24:43 < dongs> huh
2016-02-26T10:24:48 < dongs> i thought there'd be a shitload of 1080p LVDS panels
2016-02-26T10:24:48 < BrainDamage> calculating from the waveforms will be ofc working fine
2016-02-26T10:24:51 < dongs> in like ~10" range
2016-02-26T10:24:53 < dongs> but i dont see any?!
2016-02-26T10:25:43 < dongs> all 11" shit is EDP
2016-02-26T10:25:44 < dongs> wtf
2016-02-26T10:27:01 < crt> wat
2016-02-26T10:27:12 < dongs> http://www.panelook.com/TV101QUM-N00_BOE_10.1_LCM_overview_26559.html what the fuck
2016-02-26T10:27:31 < crt> ah fuck dude looks like ali
2016-02-26T10:30:32 < dongs> wow china is doing some advanced shit
2016-02-26T10:31:14 < crt> yeah
2016-02-26T10:31:16 < crt> fuckin hate em
2016-02-26T10:31:45 < crt> this fucken cuckin fuck and his led products
2016-02-26T10:33:12 < crt> spent a month getting paid by this sucker
2016-02-26T10:33:19 < crt> sorting thiese chinese fucks out
2016-02-26T10:34:02 < crt> they're off their fucking heads
2016-02-26T10:34:14 < crt> just pisses me even thinking about it
2016-02-26T10:34:45 < crt> so now i've basically cloned all their garbage but now it will pass tests
2016-02-26T10:34:54 < crt> can sell it less than they think its worth
2016-02-26T10:36:51 < dongs> laff
2016-02-26T10:37:01 < crt> yeah it's a fucking joke
2016-02-26T10:37:11 < crt> some of the garbage people want to pay for you wouldn't believe
2016-02-26T10:38:56 < jpa-> is there any universal (like openocd) ARM Cortex-M programmer tool for windows users?
2016-02-26T10:39:11 < dongs> no of course not
2016-02-26T10:39:19 < crt> windows?! WHAT DO YOU WANT
2016-02-26T10:39:22 < jpa-> i wouldn't like to guide people through with openocd installation & driver crap.. if there was some ready-made one i could just point and say "buy that"
2016-02-26T10:39:25 < crt> sorry man. get keel
2016-02-26T10:39:38 < dongs> jpa, point them to jlink-ob clones on ebay
2016-02-26T10:39:45 < dongs> + use jlink jflash etc.
2016-02-26T10:39:48 < dongs> or whatever.
2016-02-26T10:39:50 < crt> get ulink mate
2016-02-26T10:39:56 < crt> it's fucken awesome dongs has it
2016-02-26T10:40:03 < crt> he kiked out for keil
2016-02-26T10:40:07 < crt> didn't ya?
2016-02-26T10:40:30 < dongs> ya i got ulink
2016-02-26T10:40:36 < dongs> jlink is a bit better cuz you can have external flash tools
2016-02-26T10:40:36 < crt> that's actually a good q - did you pay for keil and altiumn?
2016-02-26T10:40:39 < dongs> i use it for mass flashing
2016-02-26T10:40:44 < dongs> yes obviously
2016-02-26T10:40:51 < crt> fuckin prick
2016-02-26T10:40:54 < jpa-> hm, jlink could be good
2016-02-26T10:40:55 < dongs> thats liek a couple days of work
2016-02-26T10:41:03 < crt> yeah true but i'm an alcoholic
2016-02-26T10:41:12 < dongs> jpa-: also gnu-arm-eclipse supports jlink stuff out of hte box
2016-02-26T10:41:18 < dongs> without installing openocd/etc
2016-02-26T10:41:27 < dongs> you just choose jlink support, and it works
2016-02-26T10:41:31 < dongs> for debugging and flash
2016-02-26T10:41:36 < dongs> str8 from eclipse gui
2016-02-26T10:41:48 < crt> i will pay 2k for keil for arm cortex
2016-02-26T10:41:54 < crt> but altium's 11k deal fuck man
2016-02-26T10:41:57 < dongs> crt, just get the  free F0 version
2016-02-26T10:42:02 < crt> no
2016-02-26T10:42:07 < crt> i'll pay for m version
2016-02-26T10:42:11 < crt> altium is the big deal
2016-02-26T10:42:15 < crt> 11k
2016-02-26T10:42:17 < crt> for fuckin
2016-02-26T10:42:19 < crt> ew
2016-02-26T10:42:26 < dongs> compare to all other shit
2016-02-26T10:42:32 < dongs> orcad = garbage
2016-02-26T10:42:44 < crt> fuck that
2016-02-26T10:42:45 < dongs> pads/whatever = get the fuck out
2016-02-26T10:42:47 < crt> i use kiker
2016-02-26T10:42:55 < crt> and freetium (university dxp copy)
2016-02-26T10:43:08 < jpa-> hey look, i have jlink on my table
2016-02-26T10:43:11 < crt> but the amount of cocaine i could buy for that money man
2016-02-26T10:43:15 < crt> it's disturbing
2016-02-26T10:46:11 < jpa-> save up some money and od once, problem taken care of
2016-02-26T10:46:49 < crt> never been able to OD on any drug man
2016-02-26T10:46:52 < crt> they're all boring
2016-02-26T10:46:54 < crt> tried them all
2016-02-26T10:47:07 < crt> and i don't hunger for more
2016-02-26T10:47:46 < crt> but i'm still here
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2016-02-26T10:49:38 < crt> i have no sympathy for drug addicts
2016-02-26T10:56:02 < Taxman> most of them are not voluntarily drug addicts
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2016-02-26T10:57:10 < crt> yeah i know
2016-02-26T10:57:16 < crt> that's where my tolerance comes from
2016-02-26T10:58:55 < crt> i'm creating the DIRTY PLANT
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2016-02-26T11:56:39 < dongs> no, im into dudes
2016-02-26T11:57:15 < jpa-> how many dudes are you in currently?
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2016-02-26T12:27:23 < dongs> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B34MGOO/ mmm
2016-02-26T12:27:33 < dongs> gimme some reasons not to get this
2016-02-26T12:29:06 < zyp> "5V1A CHARGING HEAD IS BETTER FOR THE ADAPTER"
2016-02-26T12:29:37 < zyp> which I read as "shitty conductivity"
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2016-02-26T12:42:00 < BrainDamage> should work better with quickcharge whigh runs at higher voltages
2016-02-26T12:43:00 < zyp> also useless as soon as you replace your phone
2016-02-26T12:43:09 < zyp> because usb-c
2016-02-26T12:43:40 < dongs> lol usb-c
2016-02-26T12:43:56 < zyp> idk, I like it so far
2016-02-26T12:44:07 < zyp> apart from the fact I need to buy new cables
2016-02-26T12:44:19 < karlp> been working well for me too.
2016-02-26T12:44:23 < dongs> they managed to ship some phones with micro-usb 3
2016-02-26T12:44:29 < dongs> that was a fucking disaster
2016-02-26T12:44:32 < zyp> yeah
2016-02-26T12:44:48 < zyp> my sister has one of those, not sure of the exact model
2016-02-26T12:44:57 < zyp> was surprised that that were actually a thing
2016-02-26T12:45:00 < dongs> luckily you can just ignore usb3 part
2016-02-26T12:45:22 < dongs> then it just becomes 2.0
2016-02-26T12:45:26 < dongs> but wiht even easier  to rip apart plug
2016-02-26T12:45:29 < dongs> cuz one side is open
2016-02-26T12:46:44 < zyp> I was kinda surprised by how big type-c is
2016-02-26T12:46:52 < zyp> but it makes sense since it's a 20-pin connector
2016-02-26T12:47:07 < zyp> and it feels pretty solid
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2016-02-26T12:50:05 < karlp> I've had some problems with usb2 power supplies flaking out and the phone going "bip, I'm charging" and then "hah, jokses, I'm just going to sit here saying I'm charging and not do shit except leave teh screen on all night, have fun tomorrow morning suckah"
2016-02-26T12:50:35 < zyp> haha, yeah
2016-02-26T12:50:36 < karlp> no idea which end of that negotation is being shitty, going to put money on "both"
2016-02-26T12:51:05 < zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/f/2NiRE.png
2016-02-26T12:51:19 < karlp> plugged in a usb current monitor thing, always worked then, so.. still no idea .)
2016-02-26T12:51:36 < zyp> mine doesn't leave screen on, but apparently shit doesn't sleep completely still
2016-02-26T12:51:52 < karlp> lader is charging?
2016-02-26T12:51:55 < zyp> yes
2016-02-26T12:52:07 < dongs> er
2016-02-26T12:52:09 < dongs> how did you charge it
2016-02-26T12:52:10 < karlp> needs an 'h' in front of it for icelandic
2016-02-26T12:52:13 < dongs> but shit didnt go up?
2016-02-26T12:52:14 < BrainDamage> do you live in a shadow area or do you turnoff the cell radio?
2016-02-26T12:52:16 < dongs> the graph
2016-02-26T12:52:42 < zyp> this was on a flight to korea, plugged into usb socket in plane seat
2016-02-26T12:53:00 < dongs> so it didnt charge?
2016-02-26T12:53:04 < zyp> correct
2016-02-26T12:53:59 < zyp> it gets power, so it pretends to charge and keeps shit awake, but the current it's allowed to draw isn't even enough to cover the increased consumption, so it drains faster than before it was plugged in
2016-02-26T12:54:42 < BrainDamage> my phone measures consumption vs current draw and warns it's not actually charging
2016-02-26T12:54:51 < zyp> karlp, "hlader"?
2016-02-26T12:55:48 < karlp> hlaða
2016-02-26T12:56:00 < karlp> but yeah, close enough
2016-02-26T12:56:19 < karlp> charger itself is hleðslutæki
2016-02-26T12:56:51 < karlp> batteries are hlöðu because they're plural or someshit. stupid language
2016-02-26T12:57:16 < karlp> let's bolt some consonents in place then switch all the vowels around freely
2016-02-26T12:57:42 < karlp> anyone got any idea what the shortes way of graphing some snmp values is going to be?
2016-02-26T12:57:56 < karlp> installing munin/cacti/nagios all seem like far far far more work than is sane.
2016-02-26T12:58:11 < qyx> cacti was easy enough
2016-02-26T12:58:20 < karlp> maybe I should try harder.
2016-02-26T12:58:41 < karlp> do they have it available with it's own http server or do I have to go and fuck with apache vhosts or nginx before I can even try out cacti?
2016-02-26T12:59:12 < karlp> yeah, no, "you need to put this somewhere where it can run phph and have access to mysql"
2016-02-26T12:59:14 < qyx> no, at least when I used it last time
2016-02-26T12:59:21 < karlp> why the fuck is that not for advanced installation?
2016-02-26T12:59:23 < qyx> mysql?
2016-02-26T12:59:29 < karlp> if you _have_ a mysql you want to reuse.
2016-02-26T12:59:54 < karlp> cacti's not even packaged for fedora anymore it seems.
2016-02-26T13:01:32 < qyx> then meh
2016-02-26T13:01:40 < qyx> zabbix is quite usable too
2016-02-26T13:02:04 < qyx> and there was that rrdtool-bsed thing
2016-02-26T13:02:15 < karlp> well, they're all rrdtool behind the scenes
2016-02-26T13:02:25 < karlp> I didn't want to have to try and make up rrdtoolsyntax shit to collect it myself.
2016-02-26T13:02:39 < qyx> they are not rrdtool if they use  database
2016-02-26T13:03:13 < qyx> but cacti certainly was
2016-02-26T13:03:20 < jpa-> many things do rrdtool for short term + database for long term
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2016-02-26T13:12:28 < Martin90> do I need arm-none-eabi-gcc to compile simple CubeMX project ?
2016-02-26T13:12:45 < Martin90> I try to write my own makefile and compile simple led toggle project
2016-02-26T13:12:50 < Martin90> so far with no luck.. ;/
2016-02-26T13:12:59 < karlp> no, the normal gcc on your host should be perfectly useful....
2016-02-26T13:13:13 < karlp> I mean, it's the same processor right?
2016-02-26T13:14:55 < Martin90> same ? I try to compile code for nucelo which is on STM32F446
2016-02-26T13:16:11 < Martin90> CubeMX did project initialization for me and included necessary drivers, now all I have to do is compile this package ;P
2016-02-26T13:16:15 < Martin90> and here is the problem
2016-02-26T13:18:31 < Martin90> karlp: could you help here ?
2016-02-26T13:19:54 < zyp> I think karlp is trying to make you think a bit for yourself
2016-02-26T13:20:13 < zyp> which I'd also recommend
2016-02-26T13:21:48 < Martin90> well I need a bit help project compiles but gcc complains a lot ;/ Example -> "Drivers/STM32F4xx_HAL_Driver/Inc/stm32f4xx_hal_dma.h:110:3: error: unknown type
2016-02-26T13:21:48 < Martin90> name 'uint32_t'"
2016-02-26T13:22:27 < karlp> you need _a_ compiler that understands the architecture of the cpu you'ðre targetting.
2016-02-26T13:22:29 < Martin90> lot of "unknown type" errors or "Src/main.c:113:33: error: expected ')' before numeric constant"
2016-02-26T13:22:36 < zyp> uint32_t is defined in stdint.h
2016-02-26T13:22:54 < zyp> so something is missing an include somewhere
2016-02-26T13:24:31 < Martin90> karlp: few minutes ago you said "the normal gcc on your host should be perfectly useful." now " you need _a_ compiler that understands the architecture..." SO how is it ? ;P
2016-02-26T13:25:14 < Martin90> zyp: the first question is wheter gcc i right tool for this purpose ?
2016-02-26T13:25:31 < zyp> karlp were sarcastic
2016-02-26T13:25:42 < zyp> you absolutely need arm-gcc to compile code to run on arm
2016-02-26T13:25:57 < karlp> which Martin90 knew instinctively already...
2016-02-26T13:26:11 < Martin90> yup ;p
2016-02-26T13:26:24 < Martin90> this is my make http://paste.scsys.co.uk/506289
2016-02-26T13:26:45 < karlp> so what do you think you've got wrong there then?
2016-02-26T13:27:06 < Martin90> s/gcc/ arm-none-eabi-gcc/ right ?
2016-02-26T13:27:14 < karlp> that sounds like a pretty good start.
2016-02-26T13:27:20 < Martin90> but,
2016-02-26T13:27:34 < karlp> replace line 11 with $(CC) instead of gcc explicitly too
2016-02-26T13:28:06 < Martin90> the funny think is on SW4STM32 projects compiles and debug ok but when I start my won makefile with  arm-none-eabi-gcc it says "command  arm-none-eabi-gcc not found"
2016-02-26T13:28:08 < karlp> you've got a vile mix of / and \ too, which will be no end of fun I'm sure
2016-02-26T13:28:21 < karlp> so, fix your path.
2016-02-26T13:28:26 < Martin90> ok
2016-02-26T13:35:31 < PaulFertser> I wonder if anybody used cortex-m nvic subpriorities for anything?
2016-02-26T13:35:51 < Sync> PaulFertser: ask rene-dev
2016-02-26T13:36:43 < rene-dev> Peter_M I dont
2016-02-26T13:36:58 < jpa-> me neither
2016-02-26T13:38:20 < rene-dev> but at at least Im aware of the nvic priority group thing
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2016-02-26T13:46:50 < Peter_M> rene-dev, u dont wot m8?
2016-02-26T13:47:07 < rene-dev> Peter_M ?
2016-02-26T13:47:20 < Peter_M> [22:36] <rene-dev> Peter_M I dont
2016-02-26T13:48:15 < rene-dev> Peter_M I dont use nvic subpriorities. sorry, I intended to mention PaulFertser
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2016-02-26T13:55:23 < PaulFertser> rene-dev: hehe, np
2016-02-26T13:55:40 < PaulFertser> It's just interesting what real life usecase is there for subpriorities.
2016-02-26T13:57:57 < rene-dev> Im using dma for almost everything, and cut down on only 2 interrupts in my project
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2016-02-26T14:09:38 < zyp> PaulFertser, using in what sense? does grouping all priorities into one subgroup count?
2016-02-26T14:10:15 < PaulFertser> zyp: yes. I just can't really understand when it's practically important to have different subpriorities.
2016-02-26T14:10:33 < Sync> PaulFertser: same here, I only learned about subprios the other day :D
2016-02-26T14:10:36 < zyp> when you want priorities without preemption
2016-02-26T14:11:11 < zyp> "interrupt X is more important than interrupt Y, but shouldn't preempt it"
2016-02-26T14:11:35 < PaulFertser> I understand the concept I can't understand when it's really important.
2016-02-26T14:11:53 < zyp> when you have limited stack, for instance
2016-02-26T14:12:52 < zyp> if every priority could preempt ISRs of lesser priority, and you have n different priorities, then you need enough stack space for n ISRs
2016-02-26T14:14:49 < zyp> one could continue your argument and say "when is interrupt preemption really important?" and even "when are different priorities on interrupts really important?"
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2016-02-26T14:16:42 < zyp> preemption is useful if you have a mix of low-priority long-running ISRs and high-priority ISRs that needs to be handled quickly
2016-02-26T14:18:46 < zyp> say for instance one ISR that gets signalled when a DMA job completes, and does processing on this block of data, while another is handling a spi slave interface and needs to be able to process a command byte immediately so it can prepare a reply before master reads next byte
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2016-02-26T14:42:13 < englishman> dongs, you shouldn't buy that magthing, because they are $2 in china
2016-02-26T14:44:02 < PaulFertser> My question is rather "when priority without preemption is important" and how people usually manage modelling the situations where it is, how they describe higher bound for the latency etc.
2016-02-26T14:52:59 < jpa-> PaulFertser: for example, when running on microcontroller where there is not enough stack to nest interrupts, and latencies are not that critical
2016-02-26T14:53:54 < PaulFertser> jpa-: yes, I noticed the stack argument. But then I can't see why you might need priorities at all.
2016-02-26T14:55:27 < jpa-> hmm yeah
2016-02-26T15:10:03 < zyp> PaulFertser, consider when using pendsv for context switching
2016-02-26T15:10:41 < zyp> then you want pendsv processed last
2016-02-26T15:11:45 < zyp> i.e. lowest priority
2016-02-26T15:21:16 < PaulFertser> zyp: well, not sure it would be important in that case.
2016-02-26T15:21:41 < dongs> englishman: right
2016-02-26T15:24:59 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/DESIGN-SURGE-PROTECTOR-ELECTRONIC-CHIP/
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2016-02-26T15:33:55 < PaulFertser> zyp: I would expect some common usecase to be well-known/researched if ARM decided to implement that feature instead of going with the regular preemptible priorities. You know how there's EDF model for RTOS and some other math models, so I expected something common that would map to the subpriorities in an obvious way.
2016-02-26T15:45:15 < Laurenceb> lul http://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=satellite&mz=18&qm=3_days&mc=52.39957,0.56859&f=BALYOLO
2016-02-26T15:45:24 < Laurenceb> balloon guys just landed in USAF base
2016-02-26T15:47:55 < Sync> balyolo
2016-02-26T15:47:56 < Sync> :D
2016-02-26T15:47:58 < Sync> noice
2016-02-26T15:49:52 < qyx> I am assuming that the recovery will be hard
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2016-02-26T15:51:55 < Laurenceb> yup lol
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2016-02-26T16:07:04 < Martin90> "karlp were sarcastic" zyp: being sarcastic is the worst you can do for beginner ;)
2016-02-26T16:09:04 < zyp> expecting everybody to spoonfeed you information so you don't have to think for yourself is the worst thing you can do as a beginner ;)
2016-02-26T16:09:25 < karlp> especially when you clearly already knew that you had the wrong compiler.
2016-02-26T16:09:58 < karlp> here, have a beginner cat: http://i.imgur.com/TYbfdhr.gif
2016-02-26T16:10:08 < Laurenceb> lol someone found the base commanders number
2016-02-26T16:10:13 < Laurenceb> dis gunna be good
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2016-02-26T16:10:33 < pid> Laurenceb: where have you found this info? :-D
2016-02-26T16:10:48 < Laurenceb> on #highaltitude channel
2016-02-26T16:11:05 < pid> thx :)
2016-02-26T16:12:43 < zyp> Laurenceb, eh, I bet it's just a matter of asking for it back
2016-02-26T16:12:50 < jpa-> Martin90: beware of this channel, after a few questions we will no longer point out the sarcasm :)
2016-02-26T16:14:46 < Martin90> heh ;)
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2016-02-26T16:21:51 < Laurenceb> haha the trace
2016-02-26T16:21:58 < Laurenceb> its on the security truck
2016-02-26T16:25:01 < Sync> heh
2016-02-26T16:25:06 < Sync> it sits at the gate
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2016-02-26T16:29:07 < Getty> LOL wut, the india phone is fake?
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2016-02-26T16:36:54 < Laurenceb> never saw that coming
2016-02-26T16:44:51 < jpa-> Laurenceb: you came?
2016-02-26T16:45:06 < Laurenceb> lol
2016-02-26T16:45:19 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1456497826030.webm
2016-02-26T16:46:45 < karlp> qyx: zabbix installed nicely, they had a qemu appliance... now if I only I could make it work :)
2016-02-26T16:47:30 < karlp> Laurenceb: nice .)
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2016-02-26T17:04:19 < Martin90> where can I get arm-none-eabi-gcc manual in PDF, suprisingly I can't google right result o.0
2016-02-26T17:04:37 < jpa-> is there such a manual?
2016-02-26T17:05:00 < jpa-> gcc has just one manual same for all platforms i think
2016-02-26T17:05:21 < Martin90> hmm
2016-02-26T17:08:14 < karlp> what, you don'ðt like texinfo manuals? ;) is "info gcc" not making your teeth whiter and watering your money tree?
2016-02-26T17:09:39 < Martin90> I get used to pdf manuals ;)
2016-02-26T17:11:21 < Martin90> arm-none-eabi-gcc: error: CreateProcess: No such file or directory o.0
2016-02-26T17:12:03 < jpa-> probably not finding cc0
2016-02-26T17:12:24 < jpa-> or cc1, whatevs
2016-02-26T17:13:57 < Martin90> jpa-: where to set it ?
2016-02-26T17:14:46 < Martin90> this is my make -> http://paste.scsys.co.uk/506311?ln=on&submit=Format+it%21
2016-02-26T17:15:00 < Martin90> I ma sure there is lot of errors
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2016-02-26T17:15:28 < jpa-> i wonder how you've broke it.. though things like that are quite easy to break on windows
2016-02-26T17:16:11 < karlp> that sounds almsot like mixing cygwin and native binaries?
2016-02-26T17:16:45 < Martin90> I did symlink on windows
2016-02-26T17:16:49 < karlp> Martin90: as I said, either drop the CC from line 1, or use $(CC) on line 11.  no point doing both
2016-02-26T17:17:13 < Martin90> karlp: if I comment CC.. line then there is another error
2016-02-26T17:17:36 < karlp> yeah, keeping line 1 and fixing line 11 would be my recommendation.
2016-02-26T17:18:30 < Martin90> fixing in what way ?
2016-02-26T17:18:52 < karlp> I've said it twice now, much the same wording eeach time....
2016-02-26T17:19:00 < Martin90> ahh $(CC)
2016-02-26T17:19:02 < Martin90> ok sorry ;)
2016-02-26T17:19:42 < Martin90> ok but it still says: rm-none-eabi-gcc: error: CreateProcess: No such file or directory
2016-02-26T17:23:02 < jpa-> https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded   just install this and make sure it is in your path (IIRC the .exe will add it automatically)
2016-02-26T17:23:20 < jpa-> the pro way is to download more and more random .exes until things work
2016-02-26T17:23:52 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdjRMWTQxM3FtMXM/view?usp=sharing if not pro enought.. add 45rotations to appear more pro
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2016-02-26T17:25:26 < Martin90> jpa-: thanks for advice
2016-02-26T17:25:59 < jpa-> kakimir: don't tell me that the whole point of this is just to drive one led?
2016-02-26T17:26:57 < Martin90> ok it is wrong path
2016-02-26T17:27:19 < Martin90> if I do "CC = C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU Tools ARM Embedded\5.2 2015q4\bin\arm-none-eabi-gcc.exe
2016-02-26T17:27:19 < Martin90> " then problem disappear
2016-02-26T17:27:37 < kakimir> if I just wanted to drive it the board would be 40-50% smaller
2016-02-26T17:28:02 < Martin90> btw: do you guys use IDEs or own toolchains ?
2016-02-26T17:28:47 < Martin90> I try to implement my own toolchains since I don't like system workbench and eclipse-like IDEs...
2016-02-26T17:29:15 < jpa-> kakimir: what else does it do?
2016-02-26T17:29:51 < jpa-> Martin90: i always base my projects on plain arm-none-eabi-gcc toolchain and makefiles; but i still use kdevelop as an ide on top of that
2016-02-26T17:29:59 < jpa-> code completion really speeds things up
2016-02-26T17:30:36 < Martin90> mhm, what do tou mean by "code completio" here ?
2016-02-26T17:30:47 < kakimir> there is also thermal management including fan and throttling, jumper UVLO, jumper power limit, potentiometer input, 1wire thermometer connection, multiple voltage outputs for hacks and such, i2c and uart for monitor/control with external device + hacks
2016-02-26T17:31:28 < kakimir> user setable levels for fan min max, and throttling values
2016-02-26T17:31:54 < kakimir> a pile of SMAs for driver inputs and outputs
2016-02-26T17:33:02 < kakimir> and it fits inside 1590Z120 case part
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2016-02-26T17:34:25 < karlp> Martin90: you're path was wrong earlier too, you've really got to fix that shit
2016-02-26T17:34:37 < kakimir> hmm forgot to have SMA for CTRL input that is controlled by potentiometer by default
2016-02-26T17:35:55 < kakimir> got to go>
2016-02-26T17:37:22 < Martin90> karlp: yes I noticed thanks ;)
2016-02-26T17:39:18 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/rpkl1d.jpg
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2016-02-26T17:54:22 < kakimir> I change to mmcx
2016-02-26T17:54:38 < kakimir> sma is a big connector
2016-02-26T18:17:34 < englishman> nice
2016-02-26T18:18:00 < englishman> your ready for 6GHz pwm
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2016-02-26T18:22:21 < Martin90> hmm my project compiles ok under system workbench but return errors like "Src/main.c:86:23: error: 'GPIOA' undeclared (first use in this function)...." when compiled with my makefile...what may be wrong ?
2016-02-26T18:23:34 < englishman> you havent included cmsis, or didnt set USE_STDPERIPH_LIB or something
2016-02-26T18:25:36 < Martin90> englishman: ok but code itself must be ok since it compiles ok under system workbench
2016-02-26T18:26:25 < Martin90> this is my makefile -> http://paste.scsys.co.uk/506312
2016-02-26T18:26:29 < englishman> compiles ok, but with errors
2016-02-26T18:26:31 < englishman> ?
2016-02-26T18:26:48 < Martin90> englishman no no
2016-02-26T18:27:09 < Martin90> I said that it compiles ok when build on system workbench 4 STM32
2016-02-26T18:27:19 < Martin90> my won makefiles is posted above
2016-02-26T18:27:27 < Martin90> and it returns errors
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2016-02-26T18:28:01 < englishman> right
2016-02-26T18:28:08 < englishman> because it is incomplete or missing something
2016-02-26T18:28:15 < englishman> something that defines things like GPIOA
2016-02-26T18:28:31 < Martin90> I was rather expecting errors like " header.h not found"
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2016-02-26T18:44:05 < Martin90> does somebody of you guys have generic makefile for CubeMX projects ?
2016-02-26T18:44:14 < Martin90> or just HAL drivers
2016-02-26T18:44:35 < Martin90> I am getting headache trying to write t from skretch
2016-02-26T18:44:43 < varesa> Does someone know how to get a nucleo board to boot without the USB in?
2016-02-26T18:45:02 < karlp> varesa: there's a section in the usermanual pdf for the nucleo's on doing that.
2016-02-26T18:45:09 < karlp> it's a decent resource.
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2016-02-26T18:47:48 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgE4nV5tirQ
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2016-02-26T18:51:09 < varesa> karlp: it seems that I had a flaky jumper
2016-02-26T18:51:47 < varesa> I set the jumpers according to the manual but it still needed enumeration until it ran. Fixed by replacing jumper
2016-02-26T18:52:18 < Martin90> varesa: which jumper ?
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2016-02-26T18:55:19 < varesa> Martin90: the one between 5V and E5V, JP5 I think
2016-02-26T18:55:37 < varesa> some old one that I've had on the table for a while
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2016-02-26T18:57:51 < Martin90> I am sure they all have labels like JP1
2016-02-26T19:04:03 < varesa> Martin90: yeah they have, it's JP5. I was just not sure if I remembered right and the board is a few rooms away so didn't feel like checking
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2016-02-26T19:55:18 < upgrdman__> lolwut "[Jesús Arroyo]’s Icestudio is a new, graphical tool that lets you generate Verilog code from block diagrams and run it on the Lattice Semi iCEstick development board. A drag and drop interface lets you connect IOs, logic gates, dividers, and other elements. Once your block diagram is ready, a single button press downloads the code to the iCEstick."
2016-02-26T19:55:32 < upgrdman__> so now fpgas are going to be filled with ardutards?
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2016-02-26T19:56:25 < upgrdman__> cant wait for freelancer posts where some 3rd world guy claims to be senior fpga dev, with several projects worth of clicking-and-dragging designs together
2016-02-26T19:57:03 < upgrdman__> 100% homo: https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/cropped_shot_2016-02-23-091230_featured.png?w=800
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2016-02-26T20:38:41 < Steffanx> There is already enough hate in the world upgrdman__, show me some love.
2016-02-26T20:42:24  * upgrdman__ <3 Steffanx
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2016-02-26T21:09:26 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/3jvv9B2.gifv
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2016-02-26T21:13:28 < MartinR90> Laurenceb: lol
2016-02-26T21:13:59 < Laurenceb> http://science.slashdot.org/story/16/02/26/1746256/more-medical-devices-should-be-open-source-like-this-ecg
2016-02-26T21:14:03 < Laurenceb> noo I got pwned
2016-02-26T21:14:42 < Laurenceb> wow this is epic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcakOUh1XOs
2016-02-26T21:15:42 < MartinR90> oh yeah ;)
2016-02-26T21:15:57 < englishman> lol Laurenceb
2016-02-26T21:16:13 < englishman> and there you were trying to dick with kikecad to get some horsegrade ekg working
2016-02-26T21:16:23 < Laurenceb> yeah but horse ecg has mesh networking and gps/imu
2016-02-26T21:16:56 < englishman> you need to give your horse business cards
2016-02-26T21:17:04 < englishman> the only networking he needs is at linkedin
2016-02-26T21:18:31 < Laurenceb> linkedin to his carriage
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2016-02-26T22:09:05 < Laurenceb> wtf ECG cables
2016-02-26T22:09:11 < Laurenceb> they are liek $200
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2016-02-26T22:28:03 < upgrdman_> for all the bldc motor guys, this might be interesting: http://modlabupenn.org/anticogging/
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2016-02-26T23:09:17 < kakimir> hello sexuals
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2016-02-26T23:18:09 < scummos_> vsd
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2016-02-26T23:32:04 < upgrdman_> no chatz :(
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2016-02-26T23:33:35 < kakimir> scummos_: have you diagnosed vsd for me?
2016-02-26T23:34:00 < scummos_> kakimir: I tried to type a macro into my terminal emulator but the wrong window had focus.
2016-02-26T23:34:51 < kakimir> irc doctor
2016-02-26T23:35:29 < kakimir> should be good but I'm disease free
2016-02-26T23:37:17 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism
2016-02-26T23:37:24 < BrainDamage> >Repetitively stacking or lining up objects is associated with autism.
2016-02-26T23:41:08 < kakimir> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/98/c5/02/98c5022fe21351c7d3fdb2e87d904f4b.jpg
2016-02-26T23:44:13 < kakimir> I have work tomorrow
2016-02-26T23:44:18 < kakimir> true story mates
2016-02-26T23:44:40 < kakimir> even have to deliver my tax information
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2016-02-26T23:55:37 < Steffanx> work kakimir?
2016-02-26T23:55:39 < Steffanx> as in real work?
2016-02-26T23:57:25 < Steffanx> "is associated with autism" .. and also associated with many other things?
2016-02-26T23:57:47 < Steffanx> like normal( whatever nromal may be) human beings, BrainDamage?
2016-02-26T23:58:10 < BrainDamage> sure, but in the case of beakmir there's more than one single hint
2016-02-26T23:59:00 < Steffanx> ok ok :P
2016-02-26T23:59:11 < Steffanx> not that i care though, but.
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2016-02-27T00:00:56 < BrainDamage> what? that i'm disparaging the differently abled in order to mock an user on irc?
2016-02-27T00:01:25 < BrainDamage> since when has political correctness been involved on pseudonymous internet communication?
2016-02-27T00:02:31 < Steffanx> but where is the fun? mr beakmir doesn't even seem to be care himself
2016-02-27T00:04:03 < Steffanx> im sorry for being a party pooper.
2016-02-27T00:04:19 < BrainDamage> nah, i still bet he does
2016-02-27T00:04:54 < Steffanx> We could test it.
2016-02-27T00:05:05 < Steffanx> unless he doenst understand the test.
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2016-02-27T00:20:26 < kakimir> is autism even real?
2016-02-27T00:20:33 < kakimir> no wait.. assburger
2016-02-27T00:21:08 < kakimir> I have seen totally autistic person and it was quite.. serious
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2016-02-27T00:26:02 < zyp> morning, crt
2016-02-27T00:26:43 < Steffanx> Morning Sir.
2016-02-27T00:29:36 < kakimir> as I change trimpot multiplexer to tssop and 8channel. instead of so16 and 2x4.. I might just go for I2C controlled one and free 2 pins
2016-02-27T00:29:43 < kakimir> and one analog channe
2016-02-27T00:31:14 < kakimir> I have lpc1111 - the killer
2016-02-27T00:31:22 < kakimir> it's a dollar chip
2016-02-27T00:31:35 < kakimir> and it's just enought pins
2016-02-27T00:31:43 < kakimir> no single free pin there
2016-02-27T00:33:31 < kakimir> something I bought a pile of
2016-02-27T00:34:11 < kakimir> qfn32pad is the sex when it comes to small packages
2016-02-27T00:35:40 < kakimir> it has not a lot
2016-02-27T00:35:55 < kakimir> but basic stuff is there
2016-02-27T00:36:21 < kakimir> PM me your address and I may fling a few
2016-02-27T00:36:43 < englishman> PM me your address and il order you a $3 buttplug off of banggood
2016-02-27T00:37:22 < kakimir> crt: if you are cute
2016-02-27T00:41:39 < englishman> why not laz0r
2016-02-27T00:41:47 < englishman> changes life
2016-02-27T00:41:51 < englishman> and you get cool pills for a few weeks
2016-02-27T00:44:49 < kakimir> my tax percentage is 1%
2016-02-27T00:44:56 < kakimir> serious biz
2016-02-27T00:47:10 < kakimir> throw me some inxpesives tssop or smaller 8channel potentiometer adc
2016-02-27T00:47:13 < kakimir> i2c
2016-02-27T00:48:20 < kakimir> it's iot all today?
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2016-02-27T00:50:39 < MartinR90> what may couses that error: "main.c:(.text+0x4): undefined reference to `HAL_Init'" ?
2016-02-27T00:52:55 < englishman> my tax percentage is 0%
2016-02-27T00:52:59 < englishman> secret is to make no money
2016-02-27T00:54:21 < kakimir> I figured at least englishman was some decent tax payer
2016-02-27T00:54:25 < kakimir> but no
2016-02-27T00:54:26 < englishman> yes
2016-02-27T00:54:29 < englishman> i pay tax
2016-02-27T00:54:31 < englishman> 0%
2016-02-27T00:54:39 < englishman> also sales tax
2016-02-27T00:54:42 < kakimir> he's actually worse hobo than me
2016-02-27T00:54:44 < englishman> and fuel tax
2016-02-27T00:54:53 < englishman> and driving license tax
2016-02-27T00:54:56 < englishman> and gun license tax
2016-02-27T00:55:01 < englishman> and house tax
2016-02-27T00:55:18 < englishman> but at least income tax is 0%
2016-02-27T00:55:25 < englishman> 0% of $0.00
2016-02-27T00:55:28 < MartinR90> why do we need that startup assembly file ?
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2016-02-27T00:57:15 < kakimir> because we need to have stuff done before C code can be utilized
2016-02-27T00:58:22 < MartinR90> how to add this file to compiler ?
2016-02-27T00:58:35 < MartinR90> I mean which command/flag should be added ?
2016-02-27T00:58:57 < kakimir> idk.. isn't it linked not compiled?
2016-02-27T00:59:18 < MartinR90> I am getting such error: "warning: cannot find entry sym bol Reset_Handler; defaulting to 08000000"
2016-02-27T00:59:22 < kakimir> major part of IDEs do all that stuff for you if you want
2016-02-27T00:59:35 < MartinR90> kakimir: I am writting own build system
2016-02-27T01:00:18 < kakimir> okay
2016-02-27T01:00:33 < MartinR90> but I still don't know what to change/add ?
2016-02-27T01:00:55 < kakimir> you need interrupt handlers
2016-02-27T01:01:23 < kakimir> reset handler is what actually starts main
2016-02-27T01:02:11 < kakimir> wait.. is it interrupt handler or what.. idk
2016-02-27T01:02:44 < Laurenceb_> The SAGE Best Paper Award is awarded annually by the Editorial Board of the journal
2016-02-27T01:02:47 < Laurenceb_> lolling hard
2016-02-27T01:02:52 < kakimir> I recommend very much having first some IDE do boilerplate for you with boot stuff and CMSIS and headers for peripherals and c lib and all
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2016-02-27T01:03:27 < kakimir> then concidering if you really need to do your own stuff
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2016-02-27T01:03:39 < Laurenceb_> if I had a SAGE award on my CV ....
2016-02-27T01:03:48 < kakimir> I dont even know what I'm saying
2016-02-27T01:04:04 < kakimir> but I got to sleep ask there is real gurus somewhere around here
2016-02-27T01:10:06 < MartinR90> kakimir: heh ok thanks ;)
2016-02-27T01:10:50 < MartinR90> crt: that is not a big difference; if you can compile hello world you can compile everything....
2016-02-27T01:11:48 < MartinR90> lol
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2016-02-27T01:14:24 < MartinR90> I have that .s file which has this symbol defined
2016-02-27T01:14:39 < MartinR90> the problem is I don't know how to add it to compiler command ;/
2016-02-27T01:16:22  * MartinR90 slaps crt in face
2016-02-27T01:16:58 < karlp> MartinR90: you _don't_ need a startup assembly file.
2016-02-27T01:18:34 < MartinR90> karlp: so how to solve this ?
2016-02-27T01:18:43 < MartinR90> karlp: this file is in SW4STM32 ?
2016-02-27T01:18:50 < MartinR90> s/?/.
2016-02-27T01:20:15 < MartinR90> or rather where that symbol should be defined ?
2016-02-27T01:20:40 < MartinR90> "entry sym bol Reset_Handler; defaulting to 08000000"
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2016-02-27T01:21:56 < karlp> normally yo uhav ea function called Reset_Handler....
2016-02-27T01:22:20 < karlp> your makefile is, given what yo ushowed earlier, very likely to be deficient in some things....
2016-02-27T01:22:33 < karlp> you're probably not linking in some of the source files you think you are...
2016-02-27T01:23:29 < MartinR90> hmm, this is my current make -> http://paste.scsys.co.uk/506332
2016-02-27T01:24:01 < MartinR90> it is very very likely that as you said "my make is  deficient"
2016-02-27T01:24:14 < MartinR90> the question is what is missing
2016-02-27T01:28:51 < karlp> a) don't add CFLAGS to CC.  CC should be a tool.
2016-02-27T01:29:02 < karlp> b) where are you including other source files?
2016-02-27T01:29:31 < karlp> you depend on two .h files, and compile a single .o to a .elf.
2016-02-27T01:32:13 < MartinR90> a.) ok but then I have a problem with headers spread in folders b.) CFLAGS allows compiler to find files
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2016-02-27T01:36:22 < karlp> MartinR90: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLisM2KPDIA
2016-02-27T01:36:45 < karlp> -I will help it find .h files that you #include.
2016-02-27T01:36:56 < karlp> no amount of vpathing will tell the compiler to magically include extra .c files.
2016-02-27T01:38:15 < MartinR90> karlp: ok but it doesn't ask for any .c file doesn it or should it ?
2016-02-27T01:38:56 < MartinR90> gcc asked for dozens of .h files
2016-02-27T01:39:10 < MartinR90> and I supplied them
2016-02-27T01:39:56 < karlp> do you have a Reset_Handler in your main.c?
2016-02-27T01:40:17 < MartinR90> no
2016-02-27T01:40:47 < MartinR90> This whole project is original CubeMX
2016-02-27T01:40:56 < MartinR90> I haven't modified anything
2016-02-27T01:41:05 < karlp> except you decided to write your own makefile....
2016-02-27T01:41:21 < MartinR90> all I am trying to do is compile it on my own...yes
2016-02-27T01:42:10 < karlp> how's that working out for you so far?
2016-02-27T01:42:30 < MartinR90> own build ?
2016-02-27T01:42:51 < MartinR90> I think I am close
2016-02-27T01:44:17 < MartinR90> you mentioned possible missing .c files, it's interesting but as I said gcc didn't ask for them
2016-02-27T01:44:23 < MartinR90> do you haev specific .c file in mind ?
2016-02-27T01:45:13 < karlp> why would gcc ask for them?
2016-02-27T01:45:30 < karlp> gcc compiles what yo utell it to.
2016-02-27T01:45:51 < karlp> if you have a #include it can say, "hey, I couldn't find this file to put inline in this c file yo uasked me to compile"
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2016-02-27T01:46:17 < MartinR90> hmmm
2016-02-27T01:46:51 < MartinR90> so do you mean that it includes .h files but not necesserly know wher their sources are ?
2016-02-27T01:47:02 < MartinR90> literally .c files ?
2016-02-27T01:47:32 < karlp> .h files have no connection to .c files beyond the meaning we humans assign them.
2016-02-27T01:49:03 < dongs> https://github.com/ContributorCovenant/contributor_covenant/issues/278
2016-02-27T01:49:14 < dongs> MartinR90: i thought you knew C
2016-02-27T01:49:38 < karlp> s/martinr90/jonsnow/g
2016-02-27T01:49:46 < Laurenceb_> we have crossed the Poe event horizon
2016-02-27T01:50:26 < Laurenceb_>  .h files dont have to be compiled, so you can put your code in there and it will just run straight away
2016-02-27T01:50:45 < Laurenceb_> someone actually said that on arduino forumz
2016-02-27T01:50:49 < karlp> magic!
2016-02-27T01:52:24 < MartinR90> so to do this the righ way I should write targets for all .c files that are used in project right ?
2016-02-27T01:52:37 < Laurenceb_> https://github.com/CoralineAda
2016-02-27T01:52:56 < karlp> http://cdn.meme.am/instances2/500x/4528361.jpg
2016-02-27T01:52:57 < MartinR90> Laurenceb_: what's it ?
2016-02-27T01:53:16 < Laurenceb_> her face...
2016-02-27T01:53:45 < karlp> MartinR90: well, hopefully you'll figure out enough makefile magic to have a single rule for your c file, but yeah, you will need to somehow list the cfiles you want to compile.
2016-02-27T01:54:42 < karlp> Laurenceb_: is she relevant in anyway? or you just found a picture of a woman you don't find attractive?
2016-02-27T01:54:47 < MartinR90> karlp: for single file it relatively simple, but with multiple files involved I worry about order of compilations ;/
2016-02-27T01:55:06 < karlp> what order are you worried about?
2016-02-27T01:55:21 < Laurenceb_> karlp: she is responsible for convenor covenant
2016-02-27T01:55:30 < MartinR90> karlp: that some .c file may need to be compiled before anoher, is that possible ?
2016-02-27T01:56:48 < MartinR90> this is not simple, that;s why IDEs are so common
2016-02-27T01:57:23 < karlp> it's also why people worship the makefiles that rain from the sky, and copy them as some magical cargo
2016-02-27T01:57:48 < MartinR90> :P
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2016-02-27T01:58:23 < MartinR90> and there is another question: does all these source files should be compile with the same command ?
2016-02-27T01:59:07 < MartinR90> maybe I can create CubeMX project for keil and then somehow export makefile from keil huh ?
2016-02-27T02:00:28 < zyp> 00:55:30 < MartinR90> karlp: that some .c file may need to be compiled before anoher, is that possible ?
2016-02-27T02:00:32 < zyp> generally speaking, no
2016-02-27T02:00:55 < MartinR90> zyp: ok thanks
2016-02-27T02:01:03 < zyp> unless there's some very funky include business going on
2016-02-27T02:01:31 < zyp> each .c file is a standalone translation unit, and depends only on included files
2016-02-27T02:01:44 < zyp> (during the compilation step)
2016-02-27T02:02:15 < zyp> so they are each compiled to an object file, and finally all the objects are linked together to produce the final executable
2016-02-27T02:02:32 < MartinR90> and that;s what i am missing...
2016-02-27T02:02:58 < MartinR90> the funny think is I knew that but I failed to implement this
2016-02-27T02:03:13 < MartinR90> ofcourse it couldn't work
2016-02-27T02:03:47 < karlp> it's like that very first thing you said today. you already knew, you just didn't want to believe it :)
2016-02-27T02:05:03 < dongs> holy shit beaky is back http://bcas.tv/paste/results/ccUa4n88.html
2016-02-27T02:05:32 < Flea86> lol
2016-02-27T02:05:37 < PeterM> jesus fuck thats a rampage
2016-02-27T02:05:52 < Flea86> dongs: Someone should make a bot of him xD
2016-02-27T02:06:12 < MartinR90> zyp, karlp: thank you guys for help and good advices ;]
2016-02-27T02:07:31 < dongs> beakysnips
2016-02-27T02:08:37 < upgrdman> anyone know of a good way to learn chinese? more concerned with reading than speaking, for now.
2016-02-27T02:08:58 < upgrdman> like is rosetta stone 100% trash?
2016-02-27T02:09:20 < Laurenceb_> how do i form babby
2016-02-27T02:09:43 < Laurenceb_> the seat over there, take it
2016-02-27T02:10:19 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, no joke, one of the guys on To Catch a Predator was a former coworker of mine.
2016-02-27T02:10:31 < upgrdman> so creppy / lol when i saw him on tv
2016-02-27T02:10:41 < Laurenceb_> heh I thought it was all staged
2016-02-27T02:10:48 < upgrdman> no
2016-02-27T02:10:52 < Laurenceb_>  O_o
2016-02-27T02:11:18 < Laurenceb_> murican TV is weird... but then so is UK
2016-02-27T02:11:27 < upgrdman> in the usa there is "megan's law" ... confirmed he was convincted of some serious shit
2016-02-27T02:12:15 < Laurenceb_> in the UK we have more excessive laws  www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-35385227
2016-02-27T02:13:34 < zyp> Laurenceb_, wtf
2016-02-27T02:13:44 < upgrdman> i worked in the same office as this guy, many years ago:  http://www.ovguide.com/video/to-catch-a-predator-riversidejerry-griffith-pt2-922ca39ce10036ba0e1186e2a1bf18ae
2016-02-27T02:14:17 < Laurenceb_> zyp: in UK police can impose random "orders", like bylaws
2016-02-27T02:14:41 < karlp> dongs: what period of time is that beakysnips from?
2016-02-27T02:14:54 < zyp> Laurenceb_, sounds arbitrary as fuck
2016-02-27T02:14:59 < Laurenceb_> like antisocial behaviour order
2016-02-27T02:15:01 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-02-27T02:15:46 < karlp> only thing the uk police have got going for them vs yanks is you're less likely to be executed by them.
2016-02-27T02:15:56 < Laurenceb_> http://antiques.gift/MyThumb.php?file=/media/Toshiba_4tb_gift/html/www/antiquesbook/img/p/6/0/1/7/6/6/601766.jpg&size=285
2016-02-27T02:17:13 < Laurenceb_> there is a reason we are the asbo nation
2016-02-27T02:22:15 < karlp> is that home and away or something?
2016-02-27T02:23:20 < karlp> nothing like a 20something in a check dress pretending to be 16 hey?
2016-02-27T02:25:21 < Laurenceb_> haha like us high school shows
2016-02-27T02:25:39 < Laurenceb_> everyone is 30+
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2016-02-27T02:34:27 < PeterM> karlp you used to be an aussie before making your bown boat and flying to iceland to impregnate all the viking women right?
2016-02-27T02:37:34 < karlp> somethign like that, yeah.
2016-02-27T02:38:52 < Sync> well, they are probably glad about non icelandic dna
2016-02-27T02:39:15 < Sync> don't they have a 'huge' incest problem, that alot of people are more or less relatives?
2016-02-27T02:39:18 < karlp> I'm only 50% non-icelandic
2016-02-27T02:39:32 < karlp> that claim is a bit overblown actually
2016-02-27T02:39:58 < karlp> it's more just that they have better records, so they can see the "relations" that are 6-8 generations back, that don't actually matter much.þ
2016-02-27T02:40:23 < karlp> also, the "everybody is related" largely comes from the _recorded_ assignments of who was the faterh/mother
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2016-02-27T02:40:49 < Sync> I just remember the bump before you bump app
2016-02-27T02:40:50 < karlp> the DeCODE guys have said, "well...... that's nice, but it's not true....."
2016-02-27T02:40:51 < emeb> but have you ever met bjork?
2016-02-27T02:41:06 < karlp> that app was a concept only but yeah, got a lot of traction in the foreign press.
2016-02-27T02:41:15 < karlp> emeb: well, she's danced on the table behind me?
2016-02-27T02:41:25 < emeb> karlp: that's close enough.
2016-02-27T02:41:29 < Sync> yeah, I remember that it is not that much of a problem in practice
2016-02-27T02:42:08 < karlp> the decode guys gene bank is alll, "yeah, that person wasn't actualyl the father at all..."
2016-02-27T02:42:23 < emeb> haha
2016-02-27T02:42:28 < emeb> bastards all
2016-02-27T02:42:41 < karlp> particularly some of the older records, people were just assigned to whoever would have been a good father, or could maybe pay,
2016-02-27T02:42:48 < Sync> oh
2016-02-27T02:42:49 < Sync> :D
2016-02-27T02:43:16 < emeb> "marriage of convenience"
2016-02-27T02:43:16 < karlp> and even today, my partner and I are in a "declared relationship" which means that any child she has is -automatically- "mine"
2016-02-27T02:43:20 < karlp> whether it really is or not.
2016-02-27T02:44:16 < emeb> ehrmagerd - you liberal almost-european types living in sin and stuff. :)
2016-02-27T02:44:39 < karlp> oh shush.
2016-02-27T02:44:42 < emeb> lol
2016-02-27T02:44:44 < karlp> I get enough of it from her father
2016-02-27T02:45:01 < emeb> I'll bet that makes for some fun holiday visits
2016-02-27T02:45:53 < karlp> meh, we shut them up for a while with a baby,
2016-02-27T02:46:02 < karlp> not sure if the inlaws are ever actually truly appeased?
2016-02-27T02:46:23 < emeb> I've found that fixing their computers for them goes a long ways to placating them.
2016-02-27T02:46:41 < karlp> yeah, it can help.
2016-02-27T02:46:50 < karlp> I helped him connect his new tv.
2016-02-27T02:46:57 < karlp> but I can't do shit if the ipad's busted.
2016-02-27T02:46:57 < emeb> been there too
2016-02-27T02:47:22 < karlp> and "I need to update my company website" is like...... "urrrh, ummmm. ....."
2016-02-27T02:47:42 < emeb> yeah - for that you hire someone with design skill - it's not tech stuff.
2016-02-27T02:48:08 < emeb> (says the guy whose website is done entirely in a text editor)
2016-02-27T02:49:18 < karlp> fine for yourself, not necessarily what other people were thinking of...
2016-02-27T02:50:07 < emeb> exactly
2016-02-27T02:50:12 < karlp> also, because you're around, i can pretend this is on topic ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQIGuiDTURY
2016-02-27T02:50:50 < emeb> that develops rather slowly
2016-02-27T02:50:57 < emeb> sounds very "karplus strong"
2016-02-27T02:51:48  * karlp queues up some karplus strong....
2016-02-27T02:52:03 < emeb> heh - it's a synthesis algorithm
2016-02-27T02:52:22 < karlp> yeah, reading taht too.
2016-02-27T02:52:34 < Sync> sounds like their sequencer was stuck
2016-02-27T02:52:51 < karlp> I've spent all night on cmake and openwrt's build root.  who has time for actually buildign application features?!
2016-02-27T02:52:55 < emeb> that, or the pitch control wasn't modulated.
2016-02-27T02:54:14 < emeb> what are you openwrt-ing?
2016-02-27T02:55:05 < karlp> was playign with blynk a bit, and hacked up a mqtt listener that can jsonpath select from the mqtt messages to update blynk virtual pins
2016-02-27T02:55:39 < emeb> cute
2016-02-27T02:56:01 < karlp> the worms seem to be bigger than the can they came out of, but yeah.
2016-02-27T02:56:09 < emeb> I've got a wemos D1 here that I haven't even taken out of the bag yet
2016-02-27T02:56:33 < karlp> if I wasn't trying to do it in C to be able to run it on the openwrt device, it would have been longgggg done.
2016-02-27T02:57:03 < karlp> but needed jsonpath of some sort in C, openwrt has one, but needed breaking into a library, since then been in buildroot hell.
2016-02-27T02:57:14 < emeb> what's faster? node.js or some equally badass rockstar tech?
2016-02-27T02:57:26 < karlp> node.js doesn't run on my openwrt hardware
2016-02-27T02:57:44 < karlp> lua probably would, but then I'd need to write lua bindings to the blynk shitz
2016-02-27T02:57:49 < emeb> blech
2016-02-27T02:57:53 < karlp> _probably_ would have been finished by now if I'd done it that way.
2016-02-27T02:58:06 < emeb> what are you running openwrt on?
2016-02-27T02:58:08 < karlp> already have plenty of lua for the mqtt and json mangling parts.
2016-02-27T02:58:23 < karlp> hrm, my home router runs openwrt, but I don't hack on it much, it's kinda family important.
2016-02-27T02:58:29 < emeb> ya
2016-02-27T02:58:44 < karlp> work device runs openwrt too, and I have one of them at home measuring all the circuits
2016-02-27T02:59:01 < emeb> I've got some of those $11 zsun things that can theoretically be flashed for openwrt
2016-02-27T02:59:30 < karlp> the blynk demo app I popped up listened to the live voltage/current/pf/freq values from the mqtt broker our work device provides,
2016-02-27T02:59:33 < BrainDamage> don't worry, the fcc will soon make sure it'll be considerably harder to :/
2016-02-27T02:59:50 < emeb> BrainDamage: buy ur routers nao
2016-02-27T02:59:52 < karlp> BrainDamage: fcc response seemed pretty clear
2016-02-27T03:00:14 < karlp> "thi sis not to be interpreted that you shoudl prevent people from putting their own software on routers"
2016-02-27T03:01:01 < emeb> they say it, but what's the alternative?
2016-02-27T03:02:39 < BrainDamage> http://ml.ninux.org/pipermail/battlemesh/2016-February/004379.html
2016-02-27T03:03:14 < BrainDamage> ofc it could just be made up either from tech support nodding to whatever he said, or him for internet cred
2016-02-27T03:04:27 < karlp> ahh... seems I need this https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/472796/
2016-02-27T03:04:30 < emeb> Just head down to the nearest thrift store and buy old routers for a few bux and use those. :P
2016-02-27T03:04:32 < karlp> that woudl explain a lot
2016-02-27T03:05:10 < BrainDamage> yeah, just saying it'll become progressively harder
2016-02-27T03:05:21 < BrainDamage> esp if they all go all draconian like them
2016-02-27T03:06:15 < emeb> Wonder if you can buy cheap-ass routers new from .cn that don't have the lockdown.
2016-02-27T03:07:14 < karlp> sure, but will you be allowed to import them?
2016-02-27T03:07:28 < karlp> my customs sure doesn't...
2016-02-27T03:07:35 < karlp> CE mark or gtfo.
2016-02-27T03:07:53 < BrainDamage> china export
2016-02-27T03:08:12 < emeb> Interesting - haven't had any trouble buying cheap electronic crap from .cn ebay to the US
2016-02-27T03:09:04 < karlp> I've had a few things refused here.  need to open a fishing company
2016-02-27T03:09:08 < BrainDamage> me neither and i imported several modems which exceeded legal power ratings here
2016-02-27T03:09:18 < karlp> any equipment for use on a boat is exempt.
2016-02-27T03:09:27 < emeb> oh awesome
2016-02-27T03:09:38 < emeb> the fisherman's exception
2016-02-27T03:09:55 < karlp> it's almost as if iceland has a long standing snuggly relationship with the fishing industry or somethign....
2016-02-27T03:10:05 < emeb> iknowright?
2016-02-27T03:10:16 < BrainDamage> remember that boats are holes in the water you throw money into
2016-02-27T03:10:22 < karlp> hah no here.
2016-02-27T03:10:25 < karlp> well,
2016-02-27T03:10:30 < karlp> let me rephrase
2016-02-27T03:10:42 < PeterM> it only takes about 5000 years before we go back far enough to find a common ancestor - someone who appears in all of out ancestory, think about it, a generation occurs something like very 20-30 years and every generation you have 2 parents, so then 4 grand parents, 8 great greand parents and it approximately doubles every generation (approximately but because of inbreeding it is slightly less), you quickly realize that it doesn't take long
2016-02-27T03:11:10 < karlp> boats are the things that _someone_ uses to catch the fish they need to catch to pay you the rent on the quota you were given in the 80s for being "awesome"
2016-02-27T03:11:57 < emeb> well, if iceland had anything to export besides volcanic ash...
2016-02-27T03:12:10 < karlp> aluminium and tourism are both bigger...
2016-02-27T03:12:24 < emeb> aluminum - interesting.
2016-02-27T03:12:32 < karlp> fishing is just oldschool coutnryside party stalwarts
2016-02-27T03:13:30 < karlp> yeah man, it's awesome.  yo upromise a big foreign company that you'll sell them power cheaper than jamaica or brazil, let them open an aluminium smelter so cheap they can ship alumina from _australia_ and then let them do their own environmental policing.
2016-02-27T03:13:44 < emeb> gah
2016-02-27T03:13:46 < karlp> I mean, they know their emissions best right? they should be the ones to do the measurements?
2016-02-27T03:14:01 < karlp> and I mean, they'll pay taxes and employ locals too right? win win?
2016-02-27T03:14:06 < karlp> what could possibly go wrong?
2016-02-27T03:14:30 < emeb> :)
2016-02-27T03:14:50 < karlp> don't worry! your fjord could be next! you too could have a future working as a marginally skilled labourer in an aluminium smelter!
2016-02-27T03:15:23 < emeb> so where's the power come from? geothermal?
2016-02-27T03:15:34 < karlp> mostly hydro actually
2016-02-27T03:15:46 < Sync> yeah
2016-02-27T03:15:50 < Sync> it is actually not dumb
2016-02-27T03:16:00 < karlp> geothermal is ~20ish percent for power, but ~99 percent for residential heating
2016-02-27T03:16:11 < Sync> same as electrolyzing heavy water in norway
2016-02-27T03:16:15 < Sync> dem powers are cheap
2016-02-27T03:16:39 < karlp> Sync: I'm not in any way against selling natural resources, but we should sell them for a decent price.
2016-02-27T03:16:53 < PeterM> hnnngg 3 gorges dam hnnng
2016-02-27T03:16:53 < emeb> I read where the Norwegians were going to be using hydro pump / generate to store excess windpower from Denmark.
2016-02-27T03:17:13 < Sync> yeah karlp
2016-02-27T03:17:17 < karlp> not have the state runnign around going, "we want to to give this away, _today_ how cheap do we need to make things for you to come here _today_"
2016-02-27T03:17:36 < Sync> well, I have one of the largest al foundries in the country in the city
2016-02-27T03:18:05 < karlp> like, the most recent smelter, the _state_ paid for _all_ of the new dam, the new transmission lines, the new harbour, basically everything except the smelter itself.
2016-02-27T03:18:12 < Sync> wat
2016-02-27T03:18:14 < Sync> nice
2016-02-27T03:18:19 < Sync> I'd do bsnz there
2016-02-27T03:18:20 < karlp> nice if you're alcoa...
2016-02-27T03:18:30 < karlp> yeah, they said, "sure, sign us up suckas"
2016-02-27T03:18:34 < Sync> alcoa runs the foundry here :D
2016-02-27T03:18:42 < emeb> Sync: where you at?
2016-02-27T03:18:48 < Sync> $town
2016-02-27T03:18:54 < karlp> he's in germany somewhere iirc.
2016-02-27T03:19:02 < Sync> yep, germoney
2016-02-27T03:20:35 < Sync> it is also a joke here in germany
2016-02-27T03:20:45 < Sync> we also have huge al plants
2016-02-27T03:20:50 < Sync> and copper refinieries
2016-02-27T03:21:15 < Sync> and they are getting their electricity basically for free
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2016-02-27T03:24:00 < karlp> oh, so I heard you guys liked eclipse? www.unixstickers.com/stickers/software_stickers/eclipse-ide-software-shaped-sticker
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2016-02-27T03:24:18 < emeb> Yep - here in AZ copper mining is big business, but it's very cyclical.
2016-02-27T03:24:46 < emeb> mines are constantly hiring / firing as the price shifts
2016-02-27T03:25:20 < emeb> but most of the copper is smelted electrolytically here. see huge trainloads of "anodes" going by all the time.
2016-02-27T03:26:11 < emeb> fun part is when they try to mine chemically - injecting acid into wells and sucking out the dilute copper salts.
2016-02-27T03:26:24 < emeb> folks love that shit in their water tables...
2016-02-27T03:33:36 < karlp> "what's a water table" ?
2016-02-27T03:33:56 < karlp> "we just put some stuff in places we can't see, thi sisn't our problem is it?"
2016-02-27T03:34:22 < karlp> crt: yeah, i think it's crashed or something
2016-02-27T03:34:25 < karlp> it was working nicely before.
2016-02-27T03:34:50 < karlp> emeb: some karplus strong youtube link i took has led off in a wonderfuly psy path, thanks :)
2016-02-27T03:35:33 < emeb> karlp: there are many electronik muziks
2016-02-27T03:35:38 < karlp> "The patent was licensed first to Mattel Electronics, which failed as a company before any product using the algorithm was developed, then to a startup company founded by some of the laid-off Mattel executives. They never got sufficient funding to finish development, and so never brought a product to market either." sounds weird
2016-02-27T03:35:46 < karlp> mattel still exists as fara s I can tell
2016-02-27T03:35:51 < karlp> emeb: yes. yes there are :)
2016-02-27T03:36:08 < karlp> but everynow and again I listen to the "wrong thign" and youtube stops going along those paths.
2016-02-27T03:36:48 < emeb> I worked on a product a few months ago that's based on old TI linear-predictive coding tech from the speak-n-spell.
2016-02-27T03:36:58 < emeb> lot's of fun old stuff to be mined from toys.
2016-02-27T03:37:00 < karlp> crt: what's that steelin your beetz from?
2016-02-27T03:37:16 < karlp> speek-n-spell will live forever, just get more expensive
2016-02-27T03:37:33 < karlp> reminds me of when some artist dude here was having a garage sale to fund some studies in the states.
2016-02-27T03:37:53 < karlp> I picked up a 303 from a pile of stuff, it was promptly, "actually.... that's not for sale"
2016-02-27T03:37:55 < emeb> the synthesis algorithm is pretty well documented around the net. We licensed the original speak-n-spell ROM data from TI
2016-02-27T03:38:08 < karlp> heh, nice.
2016-02-27T03:38:20 < karlp> I'm truly glad that was even an option.
2016-02-27T03:38:26 < emeb> http://synthtech.com/eurorack/E950/
2016-02-27T03:38:57 < emeb> runs on an STM32F302
2016-02-27T03:39:24 < karlp> totally resonable prices too.
2016-02-27T03:39:37 < emeb> haha
2016-02-27T03:39:40 < karlp> I need to work out why $work can't get prices more under control.
2016-02-27T03:40:23 < karlp> or maybe I just need to make sure my own work doesn't suck maybe.
2016-02-27T03:42:48 < karlp> damnit. got the owrt buildroot to build it all, now it's in police mode.  Package mqblynk is missing dependencies for the following libraries: libjsonpath.so
2016-02-27T03:42:54 < karlp> aaaaaaah
2016-02-27T03:43:22 < emeb> dependency hell
2016-02-27T03:43:42 < emeb> mmm... tasty beets
2016-02-27T03:44:00 < emeb> red beets, sugar beets, beet greens...
2016-02-27T03:44:25 < karlp> beet greens?
2016-02-27T03:44:43 < emeb> the leafy tops. very tasty - like chard.
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2016-02-27T03:53:23 < karlp> http://imgur.com/nl3o6HO
2016-02-27T03:53:25 < karlp> whee,
2016-02-27T03:53:31 < karlp> running on the openwrt router now.
2016-02-27T03:53:54 < karlp> so _now_ I could get to the point of actually fixing up it's config and making it more useful
2016-02-27T03:54:11 < emeb_mac> so what are we looking at here?
2016-02-27T03:54:47 < emeb_mac> some IoT trash running on an esp8266, talking to a json thingy on your router and being turned into a webpage?
2016-02-27T03:55:40 < karlp> electrical panel has some work gear measuring current on every breaker, and voltage/current/pf on the incomer. it publishes all live readings to a MQTT broker it makes available for "integration"
2016-02-27T03:56:34 < emeb_mac> cool
2016-02-27T03:56:36 < karlp> I've packaged up a mqtt client app that is running on the home router (just happens to also be openwrt) that listens to those mqtt messages, jsonpath selects values and sends them to blynks cloud service (but you can actually run the blynk server yourself, it's all opens ource, which is nice)
2016-02-27T03:56:47 < karlp> the blynk android app lets you drag/drop a little ui thing,
2016-02-27T03:57:14 < karlp> so as long as the service stays running on the home router, whenever I open the app on my phone, I see whatever values my router app was configured to send.
2016-02-27T03:57:32 < karlp> temp is the temperature of the stm32 in the electrical cabinet
2016-02-27T03:57:48 < emeb_mac> and your phone connects to the blynk cloud service where the published results live?
2016-02-27T03:57:52 < karlp> yeah.
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2016-02-27T03:58:10 < karlp> but the blynk service is also just a java app yo ucan run on your own machine
2016-02-27T03:58:15 < emeb_mac> right
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2016-02-27T03:58:25 < karlp> andthe blynk android app includes support for connecting to a thrid party server, which is nice.
2016-02-27T03:58:34 < karlp> doesn't say, "go build your own app fucknuckles"
2016-02-27T03:58:52 < emeb_mac> so if you ran it on your router with a dyndns you could also grab it direct
2016-02-27T03:59:01 < zauslande> Shouldn't that be, "fucknuckles app?"
2016-02-27T03:59:07 < karlp> ran which part?
2016-02-27T03:59:16 < emeb_mac> the blynk service
2016-02-27T03:59:32 < karlp> sure, but thats a java app, not going to run on any home rotuer I know.
2016-02-27T03:59:52 < karlp> blynk is _intended_ as a library you compile into your arduino/esp8266 toys
2016-02-27T03:59:54 < emeb_mac> I guess it depends on the router...
2016-02-27T04:00:05 < karlp> it just happens to have a linux port that they presumably use for testing,
2016-02-27T04:00:09 < karlp> I'm using that part.
2016-02-27T04:00:29 < karlp> so blynk has direct support for digital and analog "pins" on supported hardware,
2016-02-27T04:00:35 < karlp> and "virtual pins" for "other stuff"
2016-02-27T04:00:43 < karlp> I'm just using the virtual pins.
2016-02-27T04:01:16 < karlp> it's still kinda hacky, you need to run a daemon for each blynk applet you want to manage, and you can't save or share configs or anything sanely.
2016-02-27T04:02:04 < karlp> this was kinda started as a "here's how you could use our work API" to show it off as being useable, but it's kinda gotten out of hand, and ran into all sorts of things that are kinda out of scope..
2016-02-27T04:02:45 < emeb_mac> mission creep
2016-02-27T04:02:51 < karlp> https://github.com/karlp/mqblynk anyway.
2016-02-27T04:03:05 < karlp> self imposed really.
2016-02-27T04:03:17 < karlp> I could have called it a day with the app running on desktop linux I guess really,
2016-02-27T04:03:22 < karlp> just wanted to _finish_
2016-02-27T04:03:34 < karlp> but holy shit, I was not expecting a week of cmake and buildroot hell.
2016-02-27T04:05:15 < emeb_mac> heh
2016-02-27T04:05:31 < emeb_mac> I've beat my head on embedded linux often enough to expect that at the outset...
2016-02-27T04:06:05 < karlp> I _thought_ I had enough experience with this that I could make it work.
2016-02-27T04:06:18 < karlp> but teaching myself more cmake, more c++ along the way wasn't helpful.
2016-02-27T04:06:37 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/gallery/baTIc5w
2016-02-27T04:07:35 < karlp> ok then :)
2016-02-27T04:08:11 < upgrdman> :)
2016-02-27T04:08:38 < emeb_mac> everyone knows pro wrestling is fake
2016-02-27T04:08:46  * upgrdman nods
2016-02-27T04:13:06 < upgrdman> ideal use case for electric fly swatters   http://imgur.com/LRLddYm
2016-02-27T04:15:43 < upgrdman> dongs, this is super loud, but can you tell us what these japs are doing?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xse1Pjp6jmw
2016-02-27T04:15:54 < aandrew> haha
2016-02-27T04:23:22 < Laurenceb_> http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjStoPB8ZbLAhVhAZoKHatlCGEQjBwIBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fstreetbonersandtvcarnage.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F02%2FFuck-1-GP-7.jpg&psig=AFQjCNFndrY-QSZ5JL-Dm9Z-Lpx1cVhcew&ust=1456626175203285
2016-02-27T04:23:24 < Laurenceb_> nsfw
2016-02-27T04:23:39 < upgrdman> lol
2016-02-27T04:23:44 < Laurenceb_> typical japanese activity
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2016-02-27T04:33:49 < englishman> that image is older than you Laurenceb_
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2016-02-27T04:50:23 < ReadMobl> So.high.
2016-02-27T05:09:10 < Flea86> lol
2016-02-27T05:27:34 < dongs> upgrdman: no idea, title says its a joke on some commercial but i dont watch tv so i donno what the joke is
2016-02-27T05:27:43 < upgrdman> ok :(
2016-02-27T05:27:50 < dongs> sounds like some mcdonalds cm
2016-02-27T05:27:59 < dongs> for spongebob happyset.
2016-02-27T05:46:00 < upgrdman> nice  https://gfycat.com/SoggyImmenseKentrosaurus
2016-02-27T05:49:35 < upgrdman> indeed
2016-02-27T05:49:45 < dongs> wat happen
2016-02-27T05:51:00 < upgrdman> dongs, rebels fired an ATGM. tank's active defenses blew it up before impact
2016-02-27T05:51:05 < upgrdman> err TOW
2016-02-27T05:51:38 < dongs> yea ok.
2016-02-27T05:52:10 < upgrdman> details here  https://www.reddit.com/r/MilitaryGfys/comments/47oa80/first_confirmed_tow_atgm_attack_vs_a_saa_t90a/
2016-02-27T05:52:42 < dongs> The last link has been flagged by IRC NANNY as "Possibly Unsuitable". Please find your parent(s) first and have them check the content before opening. [this channel protected by IrCNaNNY by SafeSoft v1.0b]
2016-02-27T05:52:55 < upgrdman> lol
2016-02-27T05:56:02 < dongs> i read gfy as go fuck yourself
2016-02-27T05:56:11 < upgrdman> me too
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2016-02-27T06:16:30 < upgrdman> lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxdqp3N_ymU
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2016-02-27T06:37:37 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/1TvHvRz.gifv
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2016-02-27T06:54:00 < bilboquet> is chan fatfs can work easily with nor flash ?
2016-02-27T06:54:42 < bilboquet> http://elm-chan.org/fsw/ff/00index_e.html
2016-02-27T06:56:48 < bilboquet> i think so, but I prefer to be safe.
2016-02-27T07:02:54 < bilboquet> it's ok.
2016-02-27T07:26:49 < kakimir> supsup
2016-02-27T07:26:54 < kakimir> good sleepings
2016-02-27T07:27:02 < kakimir> going to works
2016-02-27T07:27:39 < kakimir> have anyone found i2c 8channel potentiometer adc for me? the inexpensives one
2016-02-27T07:37:03 < upgrdman> like under $1?
2016-02-27T07:37:34 < upgrdman> just use a little f0 and configure it's ADC via DMA, and config it's I2C as a slave. done.
2016-02-27T07:41:03 < emeb_mac> that
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2016-02-27T09:14:35 < dongs> lol
2016-02-27T09:14:42 < dongs> beakymir at it again
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2016-02-27T10:43:45 < dongs> http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1456561378238.png
2016-02-27T10:45:14 < dongs> http://cyber.surf/i/YS4Eg9w
2016-02-27T10:46:19 < dongs> no i just retweet
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2016-02-27T10:53:56 < dongs> http://www.emergeinteractive.com/insights/detail/introducing-the-worlds-first-electronic-ink-tattoo
2016-02-27T10:55:03 < zyp> nice scam
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2016-02-27T11:33:29 < dongs> dickstarter coming up
2016-02-27T11:34:45 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Design-PCB-9777142/
2016-02-27T11:34:51 < dongs> location : UAE
2016-02-27T11:35:07 < dongs> sounds like he wants an IED control board designed
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2016-02-27T11:47:56 < Steffanx> freelancer is the new kickstarter for ##stm32 -_-
2016-02-27T12:52:40 < karlp> dongs: one for you: https://www.change.org/p/barack-obama-change-the-usa-national-anthem-to-darude-sandstorm-76063d5f-5ad0-4eb0-b8bc-476369fc7db1
2016-02-27T12:59:08 < Steffanx> sounds like a good plan
2016-02-27T12:59:39 < Steffanx> We should change ours to DJ Paul Elstak - Rainbow In The Sky or something
2016-02-27T13:01:19 < PeterM> psh, no way, change it to Basshunter - DotA
2016-02-27T13:01:32 < PeterM> (not sayign i like the song
2016-02-27T13:02:17 < PeterM> uk > never gonna give you up
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2016-02-27T13:39:40 < Steffanx> but Basshunder isnt dutch, PeterM
2016-02-27T13:39:46 < Steffanx> hunter*
2016-02-27T13:41:03 < Steffanx> is Basshunter still alive? After Boten Anna and DotA i havent heard anything from him
2016-02-27T13:41:34 < Steffanx> Wut, is that song already 10 years old.
2016-02-27T13:51:13 < dongs> karlp: lol
2016-02-27T13:54:33 < dongs> lol boten anna
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2016-02-27T13:55:24 < dongs> I've not heard DotA
2016-02-27T13:55:59 < dongs> errr
2016-02-27T13:56:04 < dongs> why does hte music sound like somehtingr else
2016-02-27T13:56:12 < dongs> ive heard that melody before but wihtout gay lyrics
2016-02-27T13:58:54 < Steffanx> maybe you heard dota because its 8 years old.
2016-02-27T13:59:09 < dongs> no, looks like I've heard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3CxhBIrBho
2016-02-27T13:59:18 < dongs> in random hhc mixes
2016-02-27T13:59:20 < dongs> sped up/etc
2016-02-27T13:59:32 < dongs> but not heard hte original
2016-02-27T13:59:38 < dongs> er rather, but not heard the dota version.
2016-02-27T14:00:15 < dongs> or maybe even a cover, cuz i dont remember a dude singing this
2016-02-27T14:00:25 < dongs> unless it was sped up that much that it sounded like a female creature
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2016-02-27T14:27:53 < dongs> huh
2016-02-27T14:27:59 < dongs> i connected to F103RE via JTAG (not SWD)
2016-02-27T14:28:10 < dongs> and there's an "Unknown JTAG Device" wiht ID of 0x05414041
2016-02-27T14:28:12 < dongs> er
2016-02-27T14:28:18 < dongs> 0x6414041
2016-02-27T14:28:42 < dongs> hmm
2016-02-27T14:28:51 < dongs> a bunch of google hits for that shit from jlink logs ???
2016-02-27T14:29:24 < Laurenceb_> there are two device on the chain?
2016-02-27T14:29:33 < dongs> nahy its a just a f103 breakout board
2016-02-27T14:29:36 < dongs> but its chinq so it had fll jtag
2016-02-27T14:29:37 < dongs> full
2016-02-27T14:29:53 < mitrax_> moo
2016-02-27T14:30:17 < Laurenceb_> so 0x6414041 is the F103  ?
2016-02-27T14:31:16 < mitrax_> dongs: hey, finally got the package & mounted the F4 chips you got me, all is fine (not that i  had any doubt), thanks again :)
2016-02-27T14:32:01 < Sync> dongs: send chip, ima etch open
2016-02-27T14:32:44 < dongs> sync, if its on google there's probly  a reason
2016-02-27T14:32:51 < Sync> ye
2016-02-27T14:43:06 < mitrax_> i made a retarded mistake on the rev2 of my board though... the LCD is powered up through a power switch chip (controller by the mcu), and i left the reset pin of the LCD connected to the main reset line... surprisingly it didn't cause problem on the previous revision but this time i had NRST stuck to 1.38V the fucking board wouldn't start when the LCD was plugged
2016-02-27T14:46:04 < dongs> nice
2016-02-27T14:46:07 < dongs> powering through reset line
2016-02-27T14:46:13 < dongs> those shitty esd diodes
2016-02-27T14:57:06 < zyp> project of the day: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/wGBBx.JPG http://bin.jvnv.net/f/7vbMe.JPG
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2016-02-27T14:57:26 < dongs> cool arduino sketch
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2016-02-27T15:00:50 < zyp> now I just need to get some asshole to come connect it
2016-02-27T15:06:16 < Laurenceb_> just do it yourself
2016-02-27T15:06:19 < Laurenceb_> free electricity
2016-02-27T15:07:20 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/QYhPcLr.gif
2016-02-27T15:10:46 < zyp> dongs, isn't that melody from some 90s song?
2016-02-27T15:12:11 < dongs> zyp, i duno, it probably is
2016-02-27T15:12:31 < zyp> ah, yeah
2016-02-27T15:12:38 < zyp> «"All I Ever Wanted" uses the beat from the song "Daddy DJ", created by the French dance act of the same name.
2016-02-27T15:12:41 < zyp> »
2016-02-27T15:12:45 < zyp> that's what I was thinking of
2016-02-27T15:13:13 < zyp> 2000 actually
2016-02-27T15:13:14 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daddy_DJ_(song)
2016-02-27T15:14:41 < zyp> o shit
2016-02-27T15:14:42 < zyp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flL_2awF-QI
2016-02-27T15:14:44 < zyp> I remember this
2016-02-27T15:15:51 < dongs> [HD 720p]
2016-02-27T15:15:57 < dongs> looks like upscaled 240p
2016-02-27T15:16:17 < dongs> zyp, im pretty sure some hhc mixes I've heard had non-dude singing this
2016-02-27T15:16:40 < dongs> not even sure if same lyrics, but the melody was definitely this
2016-02-27T15:16:49 < dongs> anyway, confirmed: old
2016-02-27T15:18:55 < zyp> yeah, I was probably in elementary school when that shit was new
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2016-02-27T15:37:30 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gl7xr5rftc
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2016-02-27T16:00:02 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/02/26/raspberry_pi_3/
2016-02-27T16:03:54 < zyp> uh, that antenna right next to the mounting hole looks kinda dumb
2016-02-27T16:04:57 < zyp> looks like it's almost starting to turn into something usable though
2016-02-27T16:06:01 < Laurenceb_> hmm yeah good point
2016-02-27T16:06:20 < Laurenceb_> but I bet it doesnt have useful power management or an RTC
2016-02-27T16:08:15 < Laurenceb_> BBB was supposed to have all that until they perman00bed the schematic
2016-02-27T16:16:07 < PeterM> still useless
2016-02-27T16:16:37 < dongs> still USB ethernet
2016-02-27T16:16:44 < dongs> doesn't broadcum shit have a fucking ethernet mac
2016-02-27T16:16:45 < dongs> holy shit.
2016-02-27T16:17:03 < dongs> a cheap genesyslogic usb hub and ethernet phy is STILL cheaper than that fucking LAN92whatever part
2016-02-27T16:17:15 < PeterM> isn't like broadcom a primarily networking company, i mean how do they fuck that upo
2016-02-27T16:18:03 < zyp> isn't all their networking shit mips?
2016-02-27T16:18:24 < dongs> where is wifi shit?
2016-02-27T16:18:26 < dongs> i dont even see it
2016-02-27T16:18:35 < dongs> is that the weird module thing on teh back?
2016-02-27T16:18:39 < dongs> some CSP-looking thing?
2016-02-27T16:18:54 < zyp> antenna is top left corner on top pic
2016-02-27T16:19:06 < dongs> oh
2016-02-27T16:19:08 < zyp> i.e. top right corner in bottom pic
2016-02-27T16:19:12 < dongs> right, and it comes from the bottom
2016-02-27T16:19:19 < dongs> through via and some white thing balun/filter something
2016-02-27T16:19:20 < zyp> so that rectangular thing is probably the wifi chip
2016-02-27T16:19:33 < zyp> wonder if it's sdio
2016-02-27T16:19:58 < dongs> probly
2016-02-27T16:20:01 < dongs> wait, if its broadcom
2016-02-27T16:20:05 < dongs> its probably that WICED thing
2016-02-27T16:20:08 < dongs> that they pair STM32s with
2016-02-27T16:20:25 < dongs> like on zano
2016-02-27T16:20:31 < zyp> is that what that spark core thing uses?
2016-02-27T16:20:39 < dongs> tehre was some dickstarter with one yes
2016-02-27T16:21:15 < dongs> but tehy used some module i guess
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2016-02-27T16:23:45 < dongs> zyp, yeah its that
2016-02-27T16:23:49 < dongs> even same parts
2016-02-27T16:24:33 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/EeV9VwV.png
2016-02-27T16:27:02 < zyp> ah
2016-02-27T16:27:14 < dongs> more flash-sensitive parts
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2016-02-27T16:31:33 < BrainDamage> to my knowledge they use mobile devices socs
2016-02-27T16:31:43 < BrainDamage> which consider ethernet unnecessary
2016-02-27T16:31:57 < BrainDamage> while other boards like the odroids mount set top box / smart tv socs
2016-02-27T16:32:01 < BrainDamage> which have ethernet macs
2016-02-27T16:33:55 < Laurenceb_> yeah but they have to use broadcom
2016-02-27T16:34:18 < dongs> pretty sure with all the cash they've been paying them, broadscum could spin a new revision silicon wiht ethernet mac in it
2016-02-27T16:34:25 < dongs> specially for shitberry
2016-02-27T16:34:29 < dongs> and make driver closed sores blob
2016-02-27T16:34:34 < dongs> and not a single MAKE:R will give a fuck
2016-02-27T16:34:40 < dongs> they will just load it and shut up
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2016-02-27T16:41:25 < Laurenceb_> they have been paying
2016-02-27T16:41:26 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2016-02-27T16:41:30 < Laurenceb_> Rpi is broadcom
2016-02-27T16:41:42 < Laurenceb_> its basically a broadcom devboard by broadcomn
2016-02-27T16:42:10 < dongs> thats a pretty fucking shitty devboard
2016-02-27T16:42:27 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-02-27T16:47:02 < Lux> if you want wifi onboard you can also just get a chip for 9$
2016-02-27T16:47:24 < Lux> that kickstarter actually made it so far
2016-02-27T16:47:38 < Lux> and they got full lunix support working
2016-02-27T16:49:57 < Laurenceb_> typical Rpi fan :  www.liveleak.com/view?i=f4e_1456557058
2016-02-27T16:52:05 < dongs> thats a dude
2016-02-27T16:52:47 < Laurenceb_> thats a chris-chan
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2016-02-27T16:58:21 < dongs> fuck ST for having so many retarded product lines that arent actually buyable
2016-02-27T16:58:45 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-02-27T17:04:44 < dongs> attn upgrdman https://gfycat.com/AntiqueScientificBlackrussianterrier
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2016-02-27T17:13:55 < kakimir> work days over
2016-02-27T17:13:59 < kakimir> then to another works
2016-02-27T17:14:38 < englishman> old, that happened yesterday
2016-02-27T17:14:41 < englishman> and everyone lived
2016-02-27T17:15:40 < englishman> found job for you kakimir http://i.imgur.com/dxAcOeH.gifv
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2016-02-27T17:16:38 < dongs> heh
2016-02-27T17:16:54 < kakimir> I turned into negro in my work
2016-02-27T17:17:00 < dongs> you dont have a job
2016-02-27T17:17:09 < dongs> kakimir: do you want to be like this http://bcas.tv/paste/results/ccUa4n88.html
2016-02-27T17:17:11 < kakimir> thick black jam was all over me
2016-02-27T17:17:26 < kakimir> cable grease
2016-02-27T17:17:31 < englishman> that is pretty epic beakypaste
2016-02-27T17:17:49 < dongs> ohsix has all beaky logs
2016-02-27T17:18:06 < englishman> ohsix was in here?
2016-02-27T17:18:13 < Laurenceb_> ok so I have problem
2016-02-27T17:18:16 < kakimir> admit it
2016-02-27T17:18:21 < kakimir> you miss the guy
2016-02-27T17:18:24 < Laurenceb_> I've got sensors running at 200hz and gps at 5hz
2016-02-27T17:18:26 < kakimir> he was the best
2016-02-27T17:18:45 < Laurenceb_> how do i synchronise the data when gps has its own clock?
2016-02-27T17:18:53 < Laurenceb_> without up to 200ms lag
2016-02-27T17:19:16 < dongs> ask felix the oneshot inventor
2016-02-27T17:20:07 < Laurenceb_> maybe some sort of hander in the 200hz thread and timestamp then linear extrapolation?
2016-02-27T17:20:27 < dongs> Laurenceb_: sample cyclecounter or something?
2016-02-27T17:20:33 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-02-27T17:20:38 < dongs> is it acutally 'threaded' or youre just dicking wiht loops
2016-02-27T17:21:00 < Laurenceb_> just loops and isr stuff
2016-02-27T17:21:43 < Laurenceb_> some nested state machines
2016-02-27T17:21:50 < dongs> you dont have GPS clock thingy with data complete?
2016-02-27T17:21:58 < dongs> pulse counter or whatever thing
2016-02-27T17:22:23 < Laurenceb_> didnt break it out
2016-02-27T17:22:42 < dongs> good job
2016-02-27T17:22:49 < Laurenceb_> was going to use circular dma to handle the gps data when I've got time
2016-02-27T17:23:03 < Laurenceb_> shit I probably dont have the DMA channels to do that :-S
2016-02-27T17:23:46 < Laurenceb_> time to draw some diagrams of how this is going to work/fail
2016-02-27T17:24:05 < dongs> why do you care about 200ms
2016-02-27T17:24:23 < dongs> when you finish parsing GPS data, set a flag
2016-02-27T17:24:24 < Laurenceb_> cuz horses can change speed quickly
2016-02-27T17:24:26 < dongs> thats your 5hz timestamp
2016-02-27T17:24:31 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-02-27T17:24:35 < englishman> horse racing can be 0.00001s photo finish
2016-02-27T17:24:50 < Laurenceb_> well this isnt for use in race timing, but still
2016-02-27T17:24:53 < englishman> better use gps
2016-02-27T17:25:16 < englishman> horse speed updates at 5Hz would be cool
2016-02-27T17:25:49 < dongs> use some less newb gps
2016-02-27T17:26:11 < dongs> or even better stick a rageberrypi on tehre and do visual optometry
2016-02-27T17:26:20 < dongs> er odometry?
2016-02-27T17:26:22 < dongs> wahtever hte fuck
2016-02-27T17:26:29 < dongs> ya latter.
2016-02-27T17:29:41 < dongs> anyway sync your timebase shit to GPS
2016-02-27T17:29:51 < dongs> maybe just start sensor thread/loop after parsing 1st gps return
2016-02-27T17:30:07 < dongs> and then it'll be close enough unless it somehow manages to walk off that timing
2016-02-27T17:30:52 < Laurenceb_> yeah but other sensors have their own clock
2016-02-27T17:31:09 < Laurenceb_> maybe I could pad/drop a sample sometimes to keep alignment
2016-02-27T17:34:15 < Laurenceb_> I guess that had the advantage that all data is true time
2016-02-27T17:34:20 < Laurenceb_> which would be pretty cool
2016-02-27T17:34:50 < Laurenceb_> 20ppm xtal could drift 200ms over a few hours
2016-02-27T17:35:04 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: I did real works today
2016-02-27T17:35:41 < Laurenceb_> did you harvest cotton ?
2016-02-27T17:35:43 < Steffanx> kakimir met beaky?
2016-02-27T17:51:54 < Sync> Laurenceb_: use an EKF to predict hoers speed
2016-02-27T17:54:16 < jpa-> Laurenceb_: if you are running kalman, just do one kind of update when you only have 200Hz sensor, and other kind of update when you have 5Hz gps values?
2016-02-27T18:00:43 < Laurenceb_> jpa-: yeah but I'm keeping it simple for the time being
2016-02-27T18:00:52 < Laurenceb_> just raw(ish) data to ogg file
2016-02-27T18:01:09 < jpa-> well if raw, then raw?
2016-02-27T18:01:24 < jpa-> just stick the gps data to the next 200Hz step
2016-02-27T18:01:37 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/RADIO-TRANSMITTER-PROJECT/
2016-02-27T18:01:51 < dongs> jpa, that's his "200ms lag" thingy.
2016-02-27T18:02:10 < dongs> ah, hes doing it wrong
2016-02-27T18:02:27 < dongs> yeah set flag in gpsDone and then log that  data together wiht next 200hz loop
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2016-02-27T18:02:49 < dongs> then you'll only be +- 5ms
2016-02-27T18:03:20 < dongs> then clear that flag and dont log again until the gps thread/irq sets it again
2016-02-27T18:03:22 < dongs> pretty simple.
2016-02-27T18:03:23 < Laurenceb_> yeah but ogg file
2016-02-27T18:03:25 < Laurenceb_> lol
2016-02-27T18:03:28 < dongs> what about it?
2016-02-27T18:03:33 < Laurenceb_> gps is another stream
2016-02-27T18:03:39 < dongs> yea and?
2016-02-27T18:03:45 < dongs> append to THAT stream
2016-02-27T18:03:48 < Laurenceb_> it has to have a fixed sample rate
2016-02-27T18:03:50 < dongs> from 200hz loop
2016-02-27T18:03:53 < dongs> no it doenst?
2016-02-27T18:04:09 < Laurenceb_> I cant have samples tagged with timestamps
2016-02-27T18:04:25 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/searching-for-job-PCB-Designer/ attn crt/Sync
2016-02-27T18:04:27 < Laurenceb_> I think I'll run everything off the GPS time
2016-02-27T18:04:36 < dongs> duder
2016-02-27T18:04:42 < Laurenceb_> then its all synchronised and real time
2016-02-27T18:05:43  * Laurenceb_ is bored already
2016-02-27T18:05:57 < dongs> horseshit
2016-02-27T18:06:04 < Laurenceb_> reading chris-chan page, he spent 18months in jail for running over a police officer
2016-02-27T18:06:06 < Laurenceb_> lolling
2016-02-27T18:06:24 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Design-PCB-9777142/ this american really wants to get paid $355
2016-02-27T18:06:55 < Sync> wat dongs?
2016-02-27T18:08:43 < dongs> just donging
2016-02-27T18:08:46 < dongs> bedtime
2016-02-27T18:08:50 < dongs> innovation over for today
2016-02-27T18:08:58 < dongs> feelancer has no cool projects
2016-02-27T18:09:00 < dongs> just usaul paki things
2016-02-27T18:09:45 < bilboquet> what do you thing about a tps3809 to detect li ion low voltage and shut all by reset the tps6301 buck.
2016-02-27T18:09:58 < bilboquet> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tps3809l30.pdf
2016-02-27T18:10:10 < bilboquet> does that seem good to you ?
2016-02-27T18:10:38 < dongs> no
2016-02-27T18:10:38 < dongs> cuz
2016-02-27T18:10:42 < dongs> it will draw more current
2016-02-27T18:11:05 < dongs> thats a reset supervisor
2016-02-27T18:11:09 < dongs> for like MCUs and shit
2016-02-27T18:11:38 < bilboquet> heck !
2016-02-27T18:12:14 < dongs> http://puu.sh/nnl1o/4280f395b3.png
2016-02-27T18:16:26 < bilboquet> why disable tps6301 draw more current ?
2016-02-27T18:17:12 < dongs> no, teh RESET SUPERVISOR will draw current
2016-02-27T18:17:35 < bilboquet> ok
2016-02-27T18:17:58 < dongs> it draws 9 to 20uA
2016-02-27T18:18:02 < dongs> depending on vcc
2016-02-27T18:21:10 < bilboquet> may be not so bad. have you a better solution to shut all ?
2016-02-27T18:29:51 < kakimir> there is nanoamp supervisirs
2016-02-27T18:32:29 < bilboquet> thank i'll look
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2016-02-27T18:43:40 < jpa-> Laurenceb_: why ogg file, btw?
2016-02-27T18:46:58 < bilboquet> " teh RESET SUPERVISOR " i think i find better :) http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/bq2970.pdf
2016-02-27T18:53:24 < Laurenceb_> jpa-: cuz its documented and supports multiple streams
2016-02-27T18:53:36 < jpa-> so is CSV!!1
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2016-02-27T19:29:29 < Steffanx> lo
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2016-02-27T20:28:11 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXjnakAlF-s
2016-02-27T20:28:16 < Laurenceb_> why does this exist...
2016-02-27T20:30:56 < Steffanx> Why you care?
2016-02-27T20:32:03 < Steffanx> Mr Laurence - I'm Obsessed With Autism - B
2016-02-27T20:34:59 < BrainDamage> http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=4033
2016-02-27T20:46:03 < Steffanx> hah
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2016-02-27T23:03:22 < kakimir> from job number 2
2016-02-27T23:03:35 < kakimir> had sauna and dinner now bed
2016-02-27T23:03:41 < kakimir> ircs all nite
2016-02-27T23:04:38 < kakimir> didn't neet today
2016-02-27T23:06:38 < BrainDamage> is finnish sauna dry or wet?
2016-02-27T23:09:14 < kakimir> semi-wet
2016-02-27T23:09:39 < kakimir> because infrared sauna has no water to it we can concider it dry
2016-02-27T23:10:18 < kakimir> and vapor filled slightly lower temp sauna is the ultimate wet sauna
2016-02-27T23:10:51 < kakimir> I don't know english name for it.. visibility is 1meter or so inside
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2016-02-27T23:14:40 < kakimir> steam water is methol aromatic oils to it so it's really nice to breathe in
2016-02-27T23:15:38 < Laurenceb_> wow I hate firefox
2016-02-27T23:15:39 < Rob235> anyone use a norelco?
2016-02-27T23:15:51 < Laurenceb_> I wonder if chrome is any less likely to kill my laptop
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2016-02-27T23:17:37 < kakimir> kill meaning?
2016-02-27T23:17:40 < kakimir> cpu or mem?
2016-02-27T23:19:42 < zyp> thermite
2016-02-27T23:19:55 < Laurenceb_> dunno
2016-02-27T23:20:03 < Laurenceb_> completely killed linux
2016-02-27T23:20:24 < zyp> you got like 512MB ram?
2016-02-27T23:22:17 < Laurenceb_> 4GB
2016-02-27T23:22:48 < zyp> my laptop is okay with chrome and 4GB
2016-02-27T23:22:57 < PaulFertser> I actually have 512MB RAM on an ARM netbook and firefox works okish.
2016-02-27T23:22:58 < zyp> but it doesn't run linux, so idk
2016-02-27T23:23:23 < kakimir> you may have lunix haters GPU to your laptop
2016-02-27T23:23:30 < zyp> PaulFertser, especially if you don't open any webpages? :p
2016-02-27T23:23:30 < PaulFertser> Firefox seem to be less demanding of RAM than chromium.
2016-02-27T23:23:58 < Laurenceb_> I think its a bug
2016-02-27T23:24:09 < zyp> idk, last I touched firefox it were the other way around
2016-02-27T23:24:20 < zyp> but last I touched firefox is years ago
2016-02-27T23:24:36 < PaulFertser> zyp: if I don't open many webpages at the same time. I have also noted that the most harm to firefox memory consumption is done by javascript loaded by some sites. So it's better to only enable it selectively.
2016-02-27T23:25:00 < zyp> sounds like too much effort
2016-02-27T23:25:23 < PaulFertser> JS sucks so much :/
2016-02-27T23:25:33 < zyp> eh
2016-02-27T23:25:39 < zyp> get a modern computer.
2016-02-27T23:26:04 < zyp> computers are cheap, easier to just throw more resources at the problem
2016-02-27T23:26:40 < kakimir> then what is expensive?
2016-02-27T23:26:52 < PaulFertser> zyp: I think if I run firefox with js for months without reloading then it would hog any practically available amount of RAM.
2016-02-27T23:27:19 < Laurenceb_> dunno how to debug this issue :-/
2016-02-27T23:27:21 < zyp> kakimir, time
2016-02-27T23:27:31 < Laurenceb_> I suspect it is a firfox/ram use bug
2016-02-27T23:27:32 < PaulFertser> zyp: also, it'd be against my live attitude, I'm anti-consumerist.
2016-02-27T23:27:49 < Laurenceb_> it kills my machine every few days on average
2016-02-27T23:27:54 < Rob235> how do you disable JS on a per site basis (or at all)? I don't see it in the firefox prefs
2016-02-27T23:28:06 < Steffanx> you visit the wrong websites,  that's a fact Laurenceb_
2016-02-27T23:28:08 < PaulFertser> Rob235: noscript extension.
2016-02-27T23:28:12 < Rob235> ahh
2016-02-27T23:28:13 < Rob235> thanks
2016-02-27T23:29:01 < zyp> PaulFertser, «this problem is my lifestyle», eh? :p
2016-02-27T23:29:19 < PaulFertser> zyp: also, if I am to get a new laptop I really want it to run coreboot. So it's problematic too.
2016-02-27T23:29:40 < PaulFertser> zyp: yes, my lifestyle is a real problem for me from this PoV.
2016-02-27T23:29:45 < kakimir> zyp: well.. yes
2016-02-27T23:33:04 < Steffanx> but 512mb.. my phone has more :P
2016-02-27T23:34:17 < zyp> hmm, my new one still only got 2GB
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2016-02-28T00:49:45 < dekar_> How to properly remove an SD card? I assumed I could just unplug them while I have no open file handles, since that's what the FatFs documentation suggests. But now I sometimes get filesystem issues, so I feel like there might be more to it. Is there any special SDIO command?
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2016-02-28T00:55:20 < Laurenceb_> I just unmount and whatnot
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2016-02-28T00:57:32 < Laurenceb_> but I use cards which are permanently installed
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2016-02-28T01:04:02 < dekar_> Laurenceb_, I don't think unmount does anything to the SD for FatFs.
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2016-02-28T01:58:31 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/n/res/319128.html
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2016-02-28T02:05:05 < upgrdman_> nice stuffed animals in the background. the wink too.  http://i.imgur.com/lSWpaqG.jpg
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2016-02-28T02:44:08 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/FbTAul.jpg
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2016-02-28T03:32:15 < upgrdman> lol http://i.imgur.com/2CvZUr0.jpg
2016-02-28T03:34:42 < Sync_> old
2016-02-28T03:44:24 < Laurenceb_> prepare your Scharfenberg
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2016-02-28T03:57:18 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/TKh0qLi.jpg
2016-02-28T04:27:14 < upgrdman> found kakimir http://i.imgur.com/ijgPnU1.jpg
2016-02-28T04:29:16 < upgrdman> no
2016-02-28T04:29:55 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/I3j9CGU.gifv
2016-02-28T04:30:01 < upgrdman> why wouldnt i be awake?
2016-02-28T04:32:05 < upgrdman> i sleep, maybe 6 - 8 hours a day.
2016-02-28T04:32:23 < upgrdman> 10hrs if i feel super lazy
2016-02-28T04:32:50 < upgrdman> camel?
2016-02-28T04:33:14 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-02-28T04:33:32 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLI54jaXG1A
2016-02-28T04:33:38 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7s9HSE0eT4
2016-02-28T04:34:29 < Laurenceb_> Class file, LTEX 2ε , SAGE Publications
2016-02-28T04:34:33 < Laurenceb_> SAGE
2016-02-28T04:35:15 < Laurenceb_> http://www.flyfishinginsidernewsletter.com/041005/super-sage-2.jpg
2016-02-28T04:36:24 < Laurenceb_> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/179/514/aa7.jpg
2016-02-28T04:37:34 < Laurenceb_> shakin for shekels
2016-02-28T04:37:58 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-02-28T04:38:36 < Laurenceb_> http://www.funnyjunk.com/channel/antisemitism/Shekels/dyBrGql
2016-02-28T04:39:40 < Laurenceb_>  O_o where the fuck do you work
2016-02-28T04:39:50 < Laurenceb_> I detect shitposting
2016-02-28T04:40:24 < upgrdman> heh. managed to piss off my bro4 cocking station. it does not like copying lots of data between two usb3 hdds.
2016-02-28T04:40:46 < upgrdman> like every 10 minutes it will pause and seeming timeout, then a minute later it will pick up
2016-02-28T04:40:46 < Laurenceb_>  bro4 cocking station
2016-02-28T04:40:53 < Laurenceb_> shitposting intensifies
2016-02-28T04:41:02 < upgrdman> surface pro 4 docking station
2016-02-28T04:41:09 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-02-28T04:41:11 < upgrdman> or bro4 cocking station for lulz
2016-02-28T04:41:13 < dongs> still trollin around?
2016-02-28T04:41:27 < Laurenceb_> fuck its 3am and I'm high
2016-02-28T04:41:47 < dongs> sounds good
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2016-02-28T04:42:11 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/SNNUKmK.jpg
2016-02-28T04:42:46 < upgrdman> dongs, they even used a different color thread for the dong. good attention to detail 10/10 would buy again
2016-02-28T04:42:59 < dongs> picking up at my next t rip to best korea
2016-02-28T04:44:38 < Laurenceb_> we have now reached full shitpost level
2016-02-28T04:44:39 < Laurenceb_> hey yeah isn't ivan in your country?
2016-02-28T04:44:39 < Laurenceb_> pwned
2016-02-28T04:44:39 < Laurenceb_> national disgrace
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2016-02-28T04:44:39 < dongs> i think he flew back to aus
2016-02-28T04:44:39 < dongs> after being shamed in uk
2016-02-28T04:45:06 < Laurenceb_> LOL owned
2016-02-28T04:45:42 < dongs> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/ivan-reedman-7b159237
2016-02-28T04:45:43 < dongs> lulz
2016-02-28T04:48:48 < dongs> Having designed many multi layer (>=6 layer) rigid and flex-rigid PCBs down to 100um trace and space with component counts greater than 1000 parts, I quickly deliver good quality designs in whatever technology is required by the project and specifications.
2016-02-28T04:48:48 < Laurenceb_> PemBROKE
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2016-02-28T04:48:50 < dongs> From the purely mechanical side of engineering, I have done many designs in Autodesk Inventor, 3D printed designs as well as extensively hand machined various designs using everything from lathe, mill and other fabrication technology including MIG and ARC welding.
2016-02-28T04:48:50 < dongs> now we know why there was a mig welder in zano liquidation sale
2016-02-28T04:48:50 < dongs> it was ivan's toy
2016-02-28T04:48:50 < dongs> zano was basically his only project
2016-02-28T04:48:50 < dongs> and he managed to fail it
2016-02-28T04:48:50 < dongs> herh he erased any involvement with torquing
2016-02-28T04:48:50 < dongs> from his profile
2016-02-28T04:48:50 < dongs> good job
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2016-02-28T04:52:01 < dongs> tehy already did
2016-02-28T04:52:01 < dongs> that guy couldnt write anything more interesting than waht I already knew
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2016-02-28T04:56:13 < dongs> trolling
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2016-02-28T05:06:04 < dongs> you mean DM00031936.pdf
2016-02-28T05:07:29 < dongs> STM32F0x1-2-8 Reference Manual (RM0091. DM00031936).pdf
2016-02-28T05:07:29 < dongs> is how its in my cache of docs
2016-02-28T05:10:12 < Laurenceb_> lol hiding in all the pron and trolling
2016-02-28T05:10:12 < dongs> no i have a F:\STM32 cuz st.com isslow as fucking balls
2016-02-28T05:10:12 < dongs> where all teh shit is cached
2016-02-28T05:10:12 < Laurenceb_> lol F drive
2016-02-28T05:10:12 < Laurenceb_> http://pastie.org/10740320 muh data synchronisation
2016-02-28T05:10:12 < dongs> needs less spaces
2016-02-28T05:10:12 < Laurenceb_> it seems to work anyways - wobble around for a few seconds but always stable after 8s
2016-02-28T05:10:12 < Laurenceb_> less than 20ms offset between gps and sensors, I allowed a deadband
2016-02-28T05:10:13 < dongs> no idea guy
2016-02-28T05:10:26 < Laurenceb_> -1 -> drop a sample, 1 -> pad a sample, 0 -> do nothing / go and get high
2016-02-28T05:12:17 < Laurenceb_> ublox cam-8mq can do 20hz position update
2016-02-28T05:12:18 < Laurenceb_> mental
2016-02-28T05:14:51 < englishman> ublox mlp or whatever can do rtk
2016-02-28T05:14:51 < dongs> > MLP
2016-02-28T05:14:51 < englishman> with zugbeee!
2016-02-28T05:14:51 < englishman> yes
2016-02-28T05:14:52 < Laurenceb_> SBAS is good enough for me
2016-02-28T05:14:52 < dongs> link for Laurenceb_ only http://imgur.com/Vjema7x
2016-02-28T05:14:52  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2016-02-28T05:15:02 < Laurenceb_> expecting gore, not clicking
2016-02-28T05:15:02 < Laurenceb_> zz 4 realz
2016-02-28T05:15:02 < dongs> not at all
2016-02-28T05:15:15 < dongs> def worth a click
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2016-02-28T05:22:52 < upgrdman> lol dongs
2016-02-28T05:22:52 < upgrdman> that a tranny?
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2016-02-28T06:56:20 < PeterM> just reposting to keep dongss spirits up http://imgur.com/xaFpA1s
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2016-02-28T07:30:34 < Getty> Warthunder....
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2016-02-28T07:33:05 < emeb_mac> wart hunder?
2016-02-28T07:39:45 < PeterM> wart hun, der.
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2016-02-28T09:53:57 < upgrdman> how i imagine dong's at a museum    https://youtu.be/9EdCfIgVoRI?t=135
2016-02-28T09:54:22 < PeterM> nice
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2016-02-28T11:20:51 < zyp_> haha
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2016-02-28T11:50:48 < dongs> sup dongs
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2016-02-28T12:01:58 < dongs> i gotta debug some assholes USB stack problem
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2016-02-28T12:07:20 < zyp> not mine!
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2016-02-28T12:07:25 < dongs> isoch streaming
2016-02-28T12:07:28 < dongs> and HP interrupt
2016-02-28T12:07:55 < zyp> HP?
2016-02-28T12:08:15 < dongs> there's LP and HP USB interrupts
2016-02-28T12:08:17 < dongs> high performance? or wahtever
2016-02-28T12:08:17 < zyp> ah
2016-02-28T12:08:32 < dongs> its used for isoch shit
2016-02-28T12:08:32 < zyp> priority
2016-02-28T12:08:32 < dongs> yea
2016-02-28T12:08:32 < dongs> er yea priority
2016-02-28T12:08:32 < zyp> what's the problem?
2016-02-28T12:08:47 < dongs> not sure yet, but i dont think it susb stack related
2016-02-28T12:09:51 < dongs> tehre;s oitehr garbage elsewhere and after fixing it i no longer see hte problem
2016-02-28T12:09:52 < zyp> dwc_otg has this weird odd/even packet filtering
2016-02-28T12:09:52 < dongs> that was kinda the thing
2016-02-28T12:09:52 < dongs> sometimes the buffers were swapped
2016-02-28T12:09:52 < zyp> but I guess a proper stack already handles that properly
2016-02-28T12:10:06 < zyp> if not, you'll lose every other packet
2016-02-28T12:10:06 < dongs> nah, thats not the issue then
2016-02-28T12:22:29 < dongs> seems unrelated fixing stuff fixed it
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2016-02-28T12:31:08 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoBcrZJA4TI&t=169 someone needs to murder this fucking cunt
2016-02-28T12:32:36 < dongs> i cant believe E14 is paying this fuck to blog
2016-02-28T12:34:30 < dongs> at least he has more subscribers than EEVBLAG
2016-02-28T12:37:21 < dongs> yes
2016-02-28T12:37:35 < dongs> he pumps E14 shit in every video (not that I watch them or anything, but just randomly scrubbing through  the atari one I see ads for E14 in there)
2016-02-28T12:39:32 < mitrax> eeblog is not that bad but i can't stand the guy's voice
2016-02-28T12:39:32 < dongs> i cant stand anything he does
2016-02-28T12:39:32 < dongs> he just spreads stupid
2016-02-28T12:39:32 < dongs> its like hours of contentless content.
2016-02-28T12:39:52 < dongs> he's the EE equivalent of those fucking vloggers that just jerk off on camera and talk about thier life and shit
2016-02-28T12:40:16 < mitrax> ahaha
2016-02-28T13:19:18 < dongs> haha
2016-02-28T13:19:18 < dongs> found out the real problem wiht usb code
2016-02-28T13:19:20 < dongs> shithead was plugging it into usb1.1 port during testing
2016-02-28T13:20:21 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Embedded-Software/axis-IMU-with-wireless-streaming/
2016-02-28T13:23:12 < Steffann> laurenceb placed his project there?
2016-02-28T13:23:12 < dongs> yea and moved to india meanwhile
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2016-02-28T13:36:34 < dongs> hmm the LDO on nucleao boards is cute
2016-02-28T13:36:41 < dongs> teh DFN 2x2/3x3 one for 3.3V
2016-02-28T13:36:54 < dongs> i wonder how cheap it is / available
2016-02-28T13:37:05 < dongs> LD39050
2016-02-28T13:37:40 < dongs> seems a bit expensive
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2016-02-28T13:41:19 < dongs> oh hm
2016-02-28T13:41:21 < dongs> MCP1703 comes in smae package
2016-02-28T13:41:26 < dongs> and i use those in SOT23
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2016-02-28T13:44:53 < dongs> Note1: Text in italic placed on a wire doesn¡¯t correspond to net  name. It just helps to identify rapidly Arduino's signal related to this wire.
2016-02-28T13:44:54 < dongs> lol
2016-02-28T13:45:32 < dongs> ST schematics
2016-02-28T13:45:33 < dongs> for nucleo
2016-02-28T13:46:04 < Sync_> yeah dongs, idk why ben heck is paid by e14
2016-02-28T13:46:11 < Sync_> and why they all fap to him
2016-02-28T13:46:37 < dongs> ya no idea
2016-02-28T13:46:42 < dongs> hes a complete tool
2016-02-28T13:46:43 < dongs> in other news..
2016-02-28T13:46:52 < dongs> nucleo-144z board is 6 layers....
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2016-02-28T13:47:13 < dongs> the one wiht midmount ethernet
2016-02-28T13:53:12 < Sync_> wat
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2016-02-28T14:16:42 < Lux> what's a good cheap ldo to use for > 300mA and 3,3V powered from 5V ?
2016-02-28T14:19:09 < PeterM> dunno, check the zypsnips and see fi any of the ones sugegsted there (sot-23-5) come in like dfn wiht exposed pad
2016-02-28T14:20:04 < Lux> sot23-5 is probably only good enough for like 250mA right ?
2016-02-28T14:20:10 < PeterM> yes
2016-02-28T14:20:17 < PeterM> thats why i said see fi you can get it in dfn with exposed pad
2016-02-28T14:20:18 < Lux> i only need 300-400mA peak anyway
2016-02-28T14:20:33 < Lux> avr will prob be 100-200 i guess
2016-02-28T14:20:33 < Lux> *avg
2016-02-28T14:21:49 < PeterM> by peak, how long do you expect your peak periods to last
2016-02-28T14:24:04 < Lux> not long, i'm guessing milliseconds
2016-02-28T14:24:11 < Lux> it's for that esp8266 wifi module
2016-02-28T14:26:41 < Lux> MCP1825T seems ok for that
2016-02-28T14:26:42 < PeterM> http://www.digikey.com/short/33b12t
2016-02-28T14:26:57 < Lux> thx :)
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2016-02-28T15:04:07 < dongs> omg
2016-02-28T15:04:13 < dongs> since when does digidong have a shorturl service
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2016-02-28T15:08:27 < ehsanv> hi, i need to use libusb on my pc, and uses bulk write/read operations. libusb has examples and it seems it's easy to manage. but in device side, i have a STM32F103CBT which support usb. using stm32cubemx i can configure it for some sort, but in generated code i don't know where to look for bulk requests! it's a bit complicating :/
2016-02-28T15:09:59 < ehsanv> and plus, i'm limited to Audio Class, CDC, DFU, HID, Custom HID, Mass Storage classes. is this possible to implement custom classes too
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2016-02-28T15:10:24 < ehsanv> i mean, as mentioned by libusb, VENDOR_SPECIFI?
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2016-02-28T15:12:53 < PeterM> dongs since maybe 4-6 months ago
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2016-02-28T15:32:17 < dongs> ehsanv: yeah sure, just write your own descriptor for whatever.
2016-02-28T15:33:08 < dongs> PeterM: can i really trust 1.2x1.2mm part to dissipate 500mA?
2016-02-28T15:33:17 < dongs> er, to dissipate heat while makign 500mA
2016-02-28T15:34:39 < ehsanv> dongs: thanks, i just downloaded usb device library document, DM00108129, going to read it entirely and see what can i do then :)
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2016-02-28T15:45:51 < PeterM> lets say 3v3 from 5v thats 1.7v, 500ma @ 1.7v = 0.85w. yeah sure, provided you ahve a good ground plane aroudn it and stich it to the plane below
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2016-02-28T16:18:23 < dongs> zyp,
2016-02-28T16:18:38 < dongs> zyp: do you think making NFC coil around 5" LCD is a bad idea
2016-02-28T16:19:01 < zyp> should work
2016-02-28T16:19:13 < dongs> like, using PCB as 'case' for the lcd with hole cut in middle and makign coil around the edges
2016-02-28T16:19:17 < Laurenceb_> might work...
2016-02-28T16:19:26 < Laurenceb_> LCD will be conductive
2016-02-28T16:19:37 < zyp> yeah, bunch of nfc modules have the electronics in the middle
2016-02-28T16:19:40 < Laurenceb_> but how conductive depends on the construction
2016-02-28T16:19:51 < zyp> so tuned right it should work just fine
2016-02-28T16:20:00 < Laurenceb_> if it was solid copper there would be no way the NFC could work
2016-02-28T16:20:16 < zyp> Laurenceb_, he said around, not behind
2016-02-28T16:20:21 < Laurenceb_> tronics in the middle works as it doesnt fill the entire cross section area
2016-02-28T16:20:22 < dongs> yea, around
2016-02-28T16:20:45 < zyp> modules with coil around a solid copper ground plane works just fine
2016-02-28T16:20:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/2xCmKEV.png
2016-02-28T16:21:19 < zyp> I think some of the card payment terminals are designed exactly like that
2016-02-28T16:21:42 < Laurenceb_> weird
2016-02-28T16:22:01 < Laurenceb_> the copper will block all the field
2016-02-28T16:22:13 < dongs> Laurenceb_: center is cutout
2016-02-28T16:22:20 < Laurenceb_> that LCD thing might work...
2016-02-28T16:22:38 < Laurenceb_> depends on LCD properties, try it
2016-02-28T16:23:20 < PeterM> it'll work fine, just might need to fuck around wiht mathcing newtork
2016-02-28T16:23:53 < Laurenceb_> well yeah, but the LCD might be quite dissipative
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2016-02-28T16:46:52 < emeb_mac> what's the frequency?
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2016-02-28T16:48:59 < dongs> emeb_mac: nfc
2016-02-28T16:49:07 < dongs> 13.56? or wahtever
2016-02-28T16:49:07 < dongs> mhz
2016-02-28T16:49:08 < zyp> 13.56MHz
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2016-02-28T16:49:40 < emeb_mac> that's mainly magnetic coupling, right?
2016-02-28T16:50:10 < zyp> yes
2016-02-28T16:50:33 < emeb_mac> so chances are that other conductive stuff in the area will have little effect on it.
2016-02-28T16:51:07 < emeb_mac> main way you'd kill the signal is to have a resonant coil somewhere nearby that sucks up the energy.
2016-02-28T16:51:29 < emeb_mac> or some sort of ferrous shielding.
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2016-02-28T17:29:38 < emeb_mac> lo
2016-02-28T17:30:07 < dongs> bloggin and bloggin
2016-02-28T17:31:18 < emeb_mac> fun with HAL / Cube: did some work on F7 a few weeks back using an older version of HAL. Updated the HAL stuff and now it appears the clock setup for I2S port is running slower.
2016-02-28T17:31:33 < emeb_mac> beware silent API changes...
2016-02-28T17:31:36 < dongs> lols.
2016-02-28T17:33:29 < Sync_> diff is your friend
2016-02-28T17:39:05 < jpa-> not really when there are too many changes between versions
2016-02-28T17:42:37 < dongs> emeb_mac: er how did you "updateD"?
2016-02-28T17:42:44 < dongs> isn't clock stuff autogenerated by system_stmn32whatever
2016-02-28T17:42:47 < dongs> that you make from cube
2016-02-28T17:42:52 < dongs> hal shouldn't have any efect on taht
2016-02-28T17:43:06 < dongs> or did you re-generate the .c file after updating cubemx/hal?
2016-02-28T17:44:25 < dongs> sup lux, still innovating?
2016-02-28T17:53:37 < emeb_mac> dongs: not actually using cubemx - accessing low-level hal stuff via my own code.
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2016-02-28T17:54:46 < dongs> oh so you didnt autogenerate clock stuff?
2016-02-28T17:54:55 < dongs> system_stm32 shit
2016-02-28T17:55:26 < emeb_mac> correct
2016-02-28T17:55:48 < emeb_mac> using RCC functions
2016-02-28T17:56:31 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ff6_1456337562 attn vapers
2016-02-28T17:57:55 < dongs> looks like a shorted lipo fire
2016-02-28T17:58:08 < dongs> must have been busy subohming
2016-02-28T17:58:37 < Sync_> yuo
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2016-02-28T18:06:52 < englishman> dongs so fucking old
2016-02-28T18:07:01 < englishman> and he just had loose 18650 cells in pocket
2016-02-28T18:07:17 < dongs> psh
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2016-02-28T18:24:29 < Laurenceb_> nice
2016-02-28T18:24:35 < Laurenceb_> I need to install sage.cls
2016-02-28T18:25:11 < Laurenceb_> author: Alistair Smith, Sunrise Setting Ltd Torbay Innovation Centre, Vantage Point, Long Road, Paignton, Devon
2016-02-28T18:25:14 < Laurenceb_> looks legit
2016-02-28T18:26:19 < dongs> Since zano i don't trust "innovation centers"
2016-02-28T18:26:30 < dongs> that;'s a red flag for "ur gonna git scammed"
2016-02-28T18:26:53 < Laurenceb_> lol me 2
2016-02-28T18:27:48 < Laurenceb_> then there is the 4chan meme part...
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2016-02-28T18:56:11 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcR9Y1tVIAEmMZM.jpg:large
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2016-02-28T18:57:22 < dongs> does this look liek a channel filled wiht fags
2016-02-28T18:57:31 < dongs> well i suppose Laurenceb_ could be one
2016-02-28T18:57:42 < artag> of course. there are emacs users everywhere.
2016-02-28T18:57:57 < zyp> they are just too ashamed to admit it?
2016-02-28T18:57:58 < Laurenceb_> im not on that level of faggotry
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2016-02-28T19:00:30 < Steffanx> But youre not a vi user either
2016-02-28T19:01:35 < dongs> R2COM: 1/10 troll, not  convincing enough
2016-02-28T19:02:04 < artag> if you like vim, you're probably going to like emacs less. And point-and-drool editors even less.
2016-02-28T19:03:24 < artag> anything with a gui is point and drool
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2016-02-28T19:04:23 < dongs> i have no problem with gvim on windows mostly cuz of rightclick->edit with vim for any file and its quick and it works
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2016-02-28T19:05:13 < zyp> dongs, heh, I didn't think you were a vim user
2016-02-28T19:05:33 < zyp> but yeah, it's conveinient
2016-02-28T19:06:05 < artag> I tried using vs for a bit. Hated it so much I left the job. The autocomplete stuff is rubbish - it always autos the wrong thing. Like trying to use a phone with american spell-checking
2016-02-28T19:06:18 < dongs> https://github.com/freebsdgirl/ggautoblocker/ "Renaming blacklist.txt to sourcelist.txt"
2016-02-28T19:06:27 < Steffanx> Then you are doing it wrong artag
2016-02-28T19:06:32 < dongs> er ye ah
2016-02-28T19:06:36 < dongs> artag: what teh fuck are you talking about
2016-02-28T19:06:38 < dongs> you're doing it wrong.
2016-02-28T19:06:45 < dongs> install lunix, get a job doing ??????????????.
2016-02-28T19:06:46 < artag> undoubtedly, but it wasn't something I was going to relearn quickly
2016-02-28T19:06:53 < dongs> zyp, heh
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2016-02-28T19:08:00 < Laurenceb_> hahaha blacklist
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2016-02-28T19:08:04 < Laurenceb_> das wacist
2016-02-28T19:08:18 < dongs> yeah but
2016-02-28T19:08:20 < dongs> they left WHITELIST
2016-02-28T19:08:23 < dongs> cuz thats OK right?
2016-02-28T19:08:27 < dongs> white = good, no problem
2016-02-28T19:08:30 < dongs> but black = bad, problem / racist
2016-02-28T19:08:33 < artag> dongs: i only use windows for legacy stuff. and it's like banging my head against a brick wall with one arm tied behind my back.
2016-02-28T19:08:35 < dongs> totally logical
2016-02-28T19:08:41 < dongs> artag: sorry to hear that.
2016-02-28T19:08:43 < Laurenceb_> https://i.embed.ly/1/display/resize?key=1e6a1a1efdb011df84894040444cdc60&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FCGN-3mlWcAA-jUs.jpg
2016-02-28T19:08:47 < dongs> artag: might wanna check your calendar, its 2016
2016-02-28T19:08:54 < Laurenceb_> freebsdball
2016-02-28T19:09:02 < dongs> Laurenceb_: hah
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2016-02-28T19:09:25 < Laurenceb_> she was actually quite hot in pron star times
2016-02-28T19:09:34 < artag> dongs: yeah. Year of the 'last ever edition of windows'. But the rest of the world will carry on.
2016-02-28T19:09:36 < Laurenceb_> obviously that was before the fattening
2016-02-28T19:09:59 < Laurenceb_> also freebsd.... lul
2016-02-28T19:10:42 < Rob235> dongs: you ever make firecrackers with weed?
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2016-02-28T19:11:09 < dongs> cuz blacks = good
2016-02-28T19:15:18 < dongs> R2COM: if youre using it on windows you need to install some ancient x64 build from somewehre and run install thing as admin to add the shit to rightclick menu
2016-02-28T19:16:47 < dongs> oh, someone has recent-ish builds
2016-02-28T19:16:49 < dongs> https://bintray.com/veegee/generic/vim_x64#release
2016-02-28T19:16:58 < dongs> last time i downlloaded was some shit from like 2013
2016-02-28T19:16:59 < dongs> from gogole code
2016-02-28T19:18:31 < dongs> Win64
2016-02-28T19:18:31 < dongs> The 32-bit version of Vim runs fine on 64-bit windows. There was a 64-bit binary, but it wasn't used much and maintenance stopped.
2016-02-28T19:18:40 < dongs> becauise they onle have 32butt
2016-02-28T19:18:54 < dongs> and last i cared to check, rightclick menu registration didnt work if you used 32bit one
2016-02-28T19:19:35 < dongs> yeah thats 32bit exe tho
2016-02-28T19:20:03 < dongs> correct
2016-02-28T19:20:21 < dongs> no
2016-02-28T19:20:24 < dongs> go look at where its installed
2016-02-28T19:20:31 < dongs> or just run it and look in taskmgr
2016-02-28T19:20:37 < dongs> if its 32 or 64bit image.
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2016-02-28T19:22:10 < dongs> on win10 looks like  you need to rightclick columns and choose "platform"
2016-02-28T19:22:13 < dongs> to see if its 32/64
2016-02-28T19:22:23 < dongs> win7? used to just put a * next to 32bit exes on 64 host
2016-02-28T19:22:38 < dongs> in taskmgr/details tab
2016-02-28T19:23:32 < dongs> possibly, but is right click menu to open with vim working for you?
2016-02-28T19:25:26 < dongs> nice, i was on 73. gonna try 74 from that scampage
2016-02-28T19:26:58 < dongs> still works. so i guess im good
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2016-02-28T19:28:55 < dongs> you installed the veegee thing?
2016-02-28T19:29:18 < dongs> < dongs> https://bintray.com/veegee/generic/vim_x64#release
2016-02-28T19:29:25 < dongs> right k.
2016-02-28T19:29:49 < dongs> i just unpacked the installer in VM and moved the files over.
2016-02-28T19:30:16 < dongs> anyway, i was running 64bit already, just some ancient build of 7.3 version.
2016-02-28T19:30:44 < Steffanx> such open sores dongs... you surprise me
2016-02-28T19:30:55 < Steffanx> also dissappoint
2016-02-28T19:31:16 < dongs> zyp, http://i.imgur.com/LfmD5s1.jpg
2016-02-28T19:32:28 < karlp> what does that even mean?
2016-02-28T19:32:43 < karlp> is that a fax machine or something?
2016-02-28T19:32:51 < dongs> correct
2016-02-28T19:33:07 < zyp> haha
2016-02-28T19:33:26 < zyp> karlp, «we give no fakkusu»
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2016-02-28T19:41:12 < karlp> that's pretty special dedication..
2016-02-28T19:41:18 < karlp> what are they givin no fakkus about?
2016-02-28T19:41:51 < Laurenceb_> http://sonichu.com/cwcki/DIRTY,_CRAPPED_BRIEFS
2016-02-28T19:42:09 < zyp> fax machines, I'd say
2016-02-28T19:44:20 < dongs> k bedtime
2016-02-28T19:44:26 < dongs> i spent like 3 hours to draw a schematic symbol
2016-02-28T19:44:35 < dongs> for a 76pin IC
2016-02-28T19:44:49 < Laurenceb_> fail
2016-02-28T19:47:14 < zyp> assuming you have it in a spreadsheet in the first place
2016-02-28T19:47:33 < dongs> i even had it as a schematic symbol
2016-02-28T19:47:38 < dongs> to start with.
2016-02-28T19:50:48 < dongs> troll
2016-02-28T19:50:52 < dongs> only altium has that feature
2016-02-28T19:51:02 < dongs> dorkcad you gotta make pin by pin
2016-02-28T19:53:00 < KreAture_> lol
2016-02-28T19:53:10 < KreAture_> Trust me, that spreadsheet shit is a fine way to get errors
2016-02-28T19:53:21 < dongs> not at all
2016-02-28T19:53:31 < KreAture_> There is usually a mistake or two in every list from chip mfg containing 300+ pins
2016-02-28T19:53:36 < KreAture_> just ask freescale
2016-02-28T19:53:36 < dongs> heh
2016-02-28T19:53:49 < dongs> my order of preference for pinout data is like
2016-02-28T19:53:54 < KreAture_> (caugh) i.mx6 (caugh)
2016-02-28T19:54:02 < dongs> vendor symbol, ibs file, table in datasheet
2016-02-28T19:54:22 < KreAture_> exactly, so two other choices before you start copy-pasying
2016-02-28T19:55:25 < KreAture_> and even then you need ideally someone else to go over it
2016-02-28T19:55:41 < KreAture_> "Blind for your own mistakes"
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2016-02-28T20:05:05 < dongs> i think just :set nocompatible turns off all that shit
2016-02-28T20:07:10 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/mJ7Kb318.html
2016-02-28T20:07:31 < dongs> mostly just shit i ad ded, i think i copied autoprog shit from somwehre
2016-02-28T20:11:28 < dongs> bbl
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2016-02-28T20:18:01 < Ecco> R2COM: You may as well just set all this in a .vimrc file
2016-02-28T20:18:11 < Ecco> Since you may, at some point, want to use this stuff from the CLI
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2016-02-28T20:46:17 < Lux> dongs: not really, just whpping up a board for my local hackerspace
2016-02-28T20:46:29 < Lux> wifi enabled ws2812 leds
2016-02-28T20:46:47 < Lux> and i'm far too lazy to actually get started
2016-02-28T20:49:14 < Lux> i just hope i get the design right on the first try, need to have stuff ready for 20-30 boards till april 9th or so
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2016-02-28T21:24:06 < Laurenceb_> http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Sonichu_%28character%29
2016-02-28T21:24:08 < Laurenceb_> genius
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2016-02-28T21:53:52 < Laurenceb_> lol crabposting is the new shitposting
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2016-02-28T22:43:10 < Steffanx> *pics
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2016-02-29T00:20:04 < zyp> too many bits
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2016-02-29T00:26:06 < Laurenceb_> crabposters
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2016-02-29T00:28:39 < Laurenceb_> launch in just over an hour
2016-02-29T00:28:46 < Laurenceb_> http://www.spacex.com/webcast
2016-02-29T00:29:05  * Laurenceb_ is raging at latex 
2016-02-29T00:29:12 < Laurenceb_> sage.cls is trolling me
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2016-02-29T00:34:44 < Laurenceb_> trying to get some journal publications with my name on
2016-02-29T00:34:48 < Laurenceb_> this was a bad idea
2016-02-29T00:34:54 < Laurenceb_> 5 rejections later...
2016-02-29T00:35:32 < Laurenceb_> they don't like my style :-/
2016-02-29T00:37:34 < Laurenceb_> I did manage this one iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0967-3334/37/1/83/pdf
2016-02-29T00:37:41 < Laurenceb_> my only achievement in life...
2016-02-29T00:47:01 < kakimir> hello sexuals
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2016-02-29T00:52:39 < kakimir> sleep>
2016-02-29T00:56:40 < BrainDamage>  https://t.co/ea28h0tsIB CVE for a smart toilet
2016-02-29T01:05:00 < zyp> haha, why the fuck does it have bluetooth in the first place?
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2016-02-29T01:05:40 < zyp> I mean, remote control apps are cool and all, but a toilet remote control app doesn't really remove the need for physically going to the toilet
2016-02-29T01:11:50 < Laurenceb_> haha yeah crt
2016-02-29T01:12:07 < Laurenceb_> pity CRT is complete bullshit
2016-02-29T01:12:14 < Laurenceb_> although crt is an ok guy :D
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2016-02-29T01:31:27 < Laurenceb_> http://journals.lww.com/advancesinneonatalcare/Abstract/2005/06000/CAPILLARY_REFILL_TIME_IS_AN_UNRELIABLE_INDICATOR.8.aspx
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2016-02-29T01:54:08 < Fleck> http://www.ebay.com/itm/281856503987 :D
2016-02-29T01:54:14 < Fleck> nice coolers :p
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2016-02-29T02:23:55 < PeterM> Fleck, they are pretty decent for the price.
2016-02-29T02:25:09 < PeterM> although that board is badly designed
2016-02-29T02:28:37 < Fleck> I know
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2016-02-29T02:40:51 < Sync_> wat
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2016-02-29T02:46:58 < englishman> harry blaxter
2016-02-29T02:47:10 < englishman> laurence potter
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2016-02-29T02:51:09 < Yoduza> how can I setup 1 crystal to few chips in one shot ?
2016-02-29T02:54:32 < dongs> yes but dont
2016-02-29T02:55:20 < dongs> if you absolutely have to, use oscillator and clock buffer IC, or else use each chip's clock out thing like STM32 MCO to pass clock signal to next ones
2016-02-29T03:00:55 < Laurenceb_> http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Christian_Weston_Chandler%27s_FUTURE_MESSAGE#Rundown
2016-02-29T03:01:02 < Laurenceb_> sounds like a good message
2016-02-29T03:02:08 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/0FbNP6Z.gifv oops
2016-02-29T03:02:52 < Laurenceb_> Now, among the better things you should definitely try before despising, is some of the hobbies of those of your own—opposite gender. Like, uh, for example, if you are a young gentleman, I recommend buying yourself a My Little Pony figure of your favorite color
2016-02-29T03:02:58 < Laurenceb_> origin of MLP?
2016-02-29T03:03:32 < dongs> ur a mlp
2016-02-29T03:05:51 < upgrdman> dongs, are you addicted to r/militarygfys now too?
2016-02-29T03:05:59 < dongs> no
2016-02-29T03:06:02 < upgrdman> :(
2016-02-29T03:07:40 < Laurenceb_> im addicted to  sonichu :-/
2016-02-29T03:07:48 < dongs> you;r'e a fucking faggot
2016-02-29T03:07:55 < Laurenceb_> LOL
2016-02-29T03:08:40 < upgrdman> ahaha found Laurenceb_ http://i.imgur.com/3sHpQ3S.gifv
2016-02-29T03:08:54 < Laurenceb_> older than the sun
2016-02-29T03:09:07 < dongs> its so old it actually originated as a gif
2016-02-29T03:09:15 < dongs> you can see 256 colors dithering
2016-02-29T03:09:43 < Laurenceb_> we used to watch that in primary school
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2016-02-29T03:09:57 < Laurenceb_> that was like the first meme
2016-02-29T03:10:33 < upgrdman> R2COM, why were you so mean to her?  http://i.imgur.com/K9a7aKY.gifv
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2016-02-29T03:13:45 < upgrdman> lol http://i.imgur.com/82GUZLs.gifv
2016-02-29T03:18:05 < dongs> retards
2016-02-29T03:21:29 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/xindex.php,qaction=dlattach,3Btopic=39004.0,3Battach=1101803,3Bimage.pagespeed.ic.G4vxrfVZIT.jpg
2016-02-29T03:22:03 < dongs> em-drivel?
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2016-02-29T03:24:11 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-02-29T03:24:15 < Laurenceb_> spot the fake data
2016-02-29T03:28:49 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/need-mbus-electroniics-expert-know/
2016-02-29T03:28:53 < dongs> found kikemir proj
2016-02-29T03:29:17 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Redesign-Electrical-diagram-using/ haha
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2016-02-29T03:42:00 < aandrew> 15 bucks an hour, awesome
2016-02-29T03:42:02 < aandrew> sign me up
2016-02-29T03:42:56 < dongs> holy shit thats a lot of visio experts
2016-02-29T03:43:41 < dongs> http://www.diodes.com/_files/datasheets/AP2161_71.pdf
2016-02-29T03:43:49 < dongs> says "reverse current blocking"
2016-02-29T03:43:58 < dongs> why would chinks put a diode on output of this anyway then?
2016-02-29T03:45:17 < Sync_> because their cloner chips don't have it
2016-02-29T03:45:26 < dongs> haha
2016-02-29T03:49:24 < aandrew> what're you looking at in that datashet?
2016-02-29T03:49:41 < dongs> um, liek first apge?
2016-02-29T03:49:42 < dongs> feature list
2016-02-29T03:49:50 < aandrew> yeah, what's the question?
2016-02-29T03:49:58 < dongs> just that.
2016-02-29T03:50:01 < dongs> it says reverse current blocking
2016-02-29T03:50:08 < dongs> but i have a chink schematic wiht a diode on OUT pin.
2016-02-29T03:50:19 < dongs> so im wondering why its tehre if its already reverse blocking.
2016-02-29T03:50:24 < aandrew> oh I see
2016-02-29T03:50:27 < aandrew> probably because they didn't read
2016-02-29T03:50:35 < aandrew> you don't want a diode there if you can help it
2016-02-29T03:50:35 < dongs> that's possible.
2016-02-29T03:50:48 < dongs> yeah i dont see why i'd want yet another voltage drop
2016-02-29T03:50:53 < aandrew> nothing like a nonlinear element on a supply pin
2016-02-29T03:50:55 < aandrew> exactly
2016-02-29T03:52:09 < PeterM> maybe they wanted a higher Vbr, thats all i can think of
2016-02-29T03:53:18 < dongs> its acutally being used for its purpose (1.5A current limiting for USB port)
2016-02-29T03:53:20 < dongs> so probably not?
2016-02-29T03:54:11 < PeterM> yeah, i can't think of any reason for it
2016-02-29T03:54:31 < PeterM> if that is the case
2016-02-29T03:55:22 < PeterM> wow thats fuckin weird, hwo do they kno what the usb voltage is gonna be after the diode? Vfw changes with current
2016-02-29T03:56:49 < dongs> heh
2016-02-29T03:56:53 < dongs> pros.
2016-02-29T04:02:13 < aandrew> they probably don't give a shit, that's how they do it
2016-02-29T04:02:25 < aandrew> speaking of asians
2016-02-29T04:02:46 < aandrew> my cheapass hantek MSO7074FG should be here in a day or two
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2016-02-29T04:13:13 < dongs> $300 scope
2016-02-29T04:13:42 < Laurenceb_> anyone want to look at ADS1298 datasheet?
2016-02-29T04:14:08 < Laurenceb_> I'm confused by what happens with the "lead off detect"
2016-02-29T04:14:12 < dongs> only if it was called AIDS1298
2016-02-29T04:14:31 < Laurenceb_> it has "RLD", which is sort of a floating voltage control loop
2016-02-29T04:14:54 < Laurenceb_> but if one of the leads is off then the lead off detect will pull that input high or low
2016-02-29T04:15:27 < dongs> lol
2016-02-29T04:15:45 < Laurenceb_> so I'm worried if a lead thats used for RLD disconnecting will break everything
2016-02-29T04:15:46 < Laurenceb_> lol
2016-02-29T04:16:36 < Laurenceb_> unless... I used single ended inputs on the positive input pins and tie all negative pins to RLD
2016-02-29T04:17:13 < Laurenceb_> then on a disconnected sensor pad the differential PGA outputs will jam high and low?
2016-02-29T04:17:53 < dongs> R2COM: works fine here
2016-02-29T04:18:10 < Laurenceb_> and so cancle out as inputs to the RLD through the 220kohm resistors
2016-02-29T04:18:14 < Laurenceb_> ok then dont help lol
2016-02-29T04:18:46 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should model the whole front end in spice
2016-02-29T04:19:47 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/tdjo5PE.png works here
2016-02-29T04:20:13 < Laurenceb_> everyone uses same editor~?
2016-02-29T04:20:31 < Laurenceb_> normalfags
2016-02-29T04:20:38 < dongs> R2COM: .. yes.. it will mark efverything comment color until you close it wiht */
2016-02-29T04:20:41 < dongs> isnt that fucking obvious?
2016-02-29T04:20:49 < Laurenceb_> I use gedit
2016-02-29T04:20:58 < dongs> thats cuz you didnt fuckikng close it
2016-02-29T04:20:59 < dongs> in that picture
2016-02-29T04:21:00 < dongs> you cunt
2016-02-29T04:21:16 < dongs> the comment
2016-02-29T04:21:22 < dongs> thats why the rest of your shit is blue
2016-02-29T04:21:39 < dongs> shrugin
2016-02-29T04:22:10 < dongs> you probly have shit in rc that you dont know what it does
2016-02-29T04:22:16 < dongs> it doesn't do this by default.
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2016-02-29T04:37:29 < englishman> what fucking masochist would *want* to use vim on windows
2016-02-29T04:37:51 < dongs> name something else that just works
2016-02-29T04:37:59 < englishman> notepad.exe
2016-02-29T04:38:10 < dongs> ya but that requires  like 8 keypresses to start
2016-02-29T04:38:16 < dongs> win-r+notepad
2016-02-29T04:38:17 < englishman> I like notepad++
2016-02-29T04:38:18 < dongs> +enter
2016-02-29T04:38:28 < dongs> vim is rightclick anything->v
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2016-02-29T04:45:50 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTieFTSqXcw
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2016-02-29T04:46:42 < PeterM> i... what
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2016-02-29T04:51:07 < englishman> :q :q :q I have a nightmare where I am trying :w but I am stuck in some mode where I have to type some random jumble of characters in order or delete everything I've been working on for 4 hours without saving
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2016-02-29T04:53:49 < dongs> https://youtu.be/pl2vbE8TzI4?t=386 typical DJI flight
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2016-02-29T09:11:22 < dongs> haha
2016-02-29T09:11:29 < dongs> i didnt get to watching that trash that far
2016-02-29T09:19:24 < dongs> attn zyp https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Embedded-Software/card-base-vending-machine/
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2016-02-29T09:22:45 < zyp> heh
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2016-02-29T09:50:34 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Electronic-Engineer-with-min-years/
2016-02-29T09:50:38 < dongs>  ???
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2016-02-29T10:10:28 < lorenzo> dongs: cheap
2016-02-29T10:11:31 < lorenzo> 1. Massage when machine is not in use LCD"Welcome NAANDI WATER , touch card for water"
2016-02-29T10:11:32 < lorenzo> oh lol
2016-02-29T10:14:18 < zyp> water dispenser with payment system?
2016-02-29T10:14:36 < zyp> weird
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2016-02-29T10:22:05 < Abhishek_> well they need RFID so it's so simple to game the system, isn't it?
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2016-02-29T10:43:10 < dongs> zyp, water in india must be expensive
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2016-02-29T10:47:43 < zyp> yeah, I guess
2016-02-29T10:48:27 < zyp> here people are even laughing over buying bottled water
2016-02-29T10:48:44 < zyp> "because, why pay for water?"
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2016-02-29T11:03:43 < karlp> one of the b&b's here was caught the other week telling their customers that the tap water wasn't very good, and they should buy water... from them..
2016-02-29T11:04:01 < karlp> and they'd just been bottling tap water up in empty bottles without any licensing
2016-02-29T11:04:31 < karlp> they used the classic blank bottles that moonshine sellers use, it was rather amusing.
2016-02-29T11:06:14 < zyp> heh
2016-02-29T11:07:41 < karlp> they also had a hotel license for like 6 rooms, and were apparently renting out 30 in three neighbouring buildings.
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2016-02-29T11:20:06 < zyp> what's the difference?
2016-02-29T11:21:33 < englishman> how many raspberry pi 3s is everyone going to get?
2016-02-29T11:21:36 < dongs> no keyboard in circuitstudio
2016-02-29T11:21:38 < dongs> zero
2016-02-29T11:21:42 < dongs> click everything
2016-02-29T11:21:45 < dongs> and retarded RIBBON
2016-02-29T11:21:46 < zyp> I watched a friend dick around in circuitmaker a few weeks ago
2016-02-29T11:22:10 < dongs> its like altium but as soon as you try to use keyboard commands you start to rage cuz they dont woke
2016-02-29T11:22:13 < dongs> work
2016-02-29T11:22:17 < zyp> dongs, ah, so circuitstudio is just "for pay" version of circuitmaker?
2016-02-29T11:22:18 < dongs> then you spend like 30 mins trying to find what hte fuck the menu option is
2016-02-29T11:22:20 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-29T11:22:31 < dongs> i htink it can do  >4 layers and has some other shit
2016-02-29T11:22:34 < dongs> but its otherwise citcuitmaker
2016-02-29T11:22:50 < dongs> yeah i have no idea why they made that product
2016-02-29T11:22:58 < zyp> yeah, I saw there were some keyboard shortcuts, but they were different from altium designer
2016-02-29T11:23:07 < dongs> making 3/4 priced altium without FPGA / C compiler shit and they would have a winner
2016-02-29T11:23:22 < zyp> and that ribbon thing were awful
2016-02-29T11:23:26 < dongs> but taking shit, and making it slightly less shit, then ?????????????? i dunno
2016-02-29T11:23:47 < dongs> oh and circuitstudio you can ~save to local disk~
2016-02-29T11:24:01 < zyp> we spent way too much time looking for the "update pcb" button
2016-02-29T11:24:09 < dongs> yeah
2016-02-29T11:24:25 < dongs> i think i recall looking for that too
2016-02-29T11:24:41 < dongs> i tried to make some shitty design in it, it was just so fucking cumbersome
2016-02-29T11:25:50 < zyp> so my opinion of circuitmaker is that it's pretty shitty compared to altium designer, but it's probably a decent choice compared to other free stuff
2016-02-29T11:27:01 < zyp> shame they had to add the ribbon shit
2016-02-29T11:30:50 < dongs> yeah i dont understand why
2016-02-29T11:31:14 < dongs> its clearly just a rebuild of altium with #define SHITTY_VERSION
2016-02-29T11:31:25 < dongs> but why the fuck change the UI so drastically?
2016-02-29T11:39:13 < jpa-> http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/man-soldering-repairing-printed-circuit-board-forced-air-iron-44099087.jpg    hardcore soldering
2016-02-29T11:39:29 < dongs> hahahaha
2016-02-29T11:39:42 < dongs> that acutally looks like a hotair thing
2016-02-29T11:39:50 < dongs> and if hes gripping that while its on, that part is hot as shit :p
2016-02-29T11:39:52 < englishman> thatd burn his fingers pretty bad
2016-02-29T11:40:33 < jpa-> englishman: nah, look at his expression, he doesn't give a shit about heat
2016-02-29T11:40:34 < zyp> haha
2016-02-29T11:41:03 < dongs> the fuck is he evne trying to hot air off
2016-02-29T11:41:05 < dongs> VGA connector???
2016-02-29T11:41:23 < Fleck> nope, this is hardcore soldering: http://fat.gfycat.com/MistySkeletalDevilfish.gif
2016-02-29T11:42:18 < zyp> are you sure that's hardcore? I would guess it's rosin core
2016-02-29T11:42:51 < Fleck> :D
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2016-02-29T11:56:59 < englishman> you got zyp'd
2016-02-29T11:57:37 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb61gnMWEAAV-Cf.jpg
2016-02-29T12:02:44 < zyp> punkzip
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2016-02-29T12:17:26 < dongs> http://www.123rf.com/photo_31257438_man-repairing-a-printed-circuit-board-with-a-forced-air-soldering-iron.html found source of that electronics nigga
2016-02-29T12:17:33 < dongs> check out the other poses he does down the p age
2016-02-29T12:17:51 < dongs> http://www.123rf.com/similar-model/32213909
2016-02-29T12:17:59 < karlp> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/29/airbnb-rental-with-decomposing-corpse-in-garden-shocks-guests
2016-02-29T12:19:29 < dongs> haha
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2016-02-29T12:20:48 < dongs> http://www.123rf.com/photo_31257430_beautiful-woman-repairing-a-printed-circuit-board-with-a-forced-air-soldering-iron.html?fromid=UWdhbGFMbkg5dUp4SjNQVWlSOHZ2Zz09
2016-02-29T12:21:44 < PeterM> as a person with long hair, looking at that picture, the smell of burnt hair comes to mind.
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2016-02-29T12:38:14 < artag> where's her antistatic coat ?
2016-02-29T12:38:42 < Sync_> well, more importantly, why is her hand heat proof
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2016-02-29T12:41:00 < PaulFertser> dongs: my wife says she might be scratching off the mask with the soldering iron tip without actually heating it on :) But I doubt the tip might be sharp enough.
2016-02-29T12:42:04 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Door-Access-System/ attn crt
2016-02-29T12:43:41 < dongs> first time i hear of "Wiegand"
2016-02-29T12:43:46 < dongs> time to close that page, not qualified
2016-02-29T12:44:10 < dongs> oh, missed the most important DQ
2016-02-29T12:44:11 < dongs> Experience with the Atmel AVR family of microcontrollers and Atmel Studio is desired.
2016-02-29T12:44:20 < zyp> wtf is wiegand
2016-02-29T12:44:31 < dongs> zyp, apparently some access / keycard / lock shit control prpotocol
2016-02-29T12:44:39 < dongs> wikipedo has some stuff. never heard of it
2016-02-29T12:44:47 < zyp> reading
2016-02-29T12:45:28 < zyp> wat
2016-02-29T12:45:44 < karlp> wiegand is a format for magstrip readers
2016-02-29T12:46:06 < karlp> one of the 125khz rfid readers i had has it as an option for output
2016-02-29T12:46:47 < zyp> sounds likes it dates from some 80s pre-magstrip tech
2016-02-29T12:47:41 < zyp> or competing rather
2016-02-29T12:47:58 < karlp> probably, but the rfid stuff had it for compat with magstrip, if magstrip had it for compat with something earlier, *shrugs*
2016-02-29T12:51:36 < PeterM> shitty RFID tags for access control use it, the better stuff uses mifare these days
2016-02-29T12:52:02 < PeterM> i dont know why people would use that shit in 2016
2016-02-29T12:54:10 < Sync_> PeterM: > 2016
2016-02-29T12:54:14 < Sync_> > mifare
2016-02-29T12:56:11 < PeterM> obvs not mifare classic
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2016-02-29T15:22:26 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/Racehouse.html found Laurenceb_ employer
2016-02-29T15:22:29 < dongs> they're freelancing like pros
2016-02-29T15:22:40 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNxaBlJcH6w
2016-02-29T15:25:42 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Sharp-Programming/Build-small-keylogger-for-keypad-9801989/
2016-02-29T15:25:46 < dongs> haha
2016-02-29T15:48:21 < Laurenceb_> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=607_1456717032
2016-02-29T15:49:05 < Laurenceb_> the comments
2016-02-29T15:57:04 < dongs> unufnny
2016-02-29T16:02:30 < Laurenceb_> found your family dongs http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3ec_1456699849
2016-02-29T16:07:23 < Getty> wtf.... i still didnt actually used the Pi2 i bought and now they already release the next one? <tableflip>
2016-02-29T16:08:56 < BrainDamage> they rushed the pi3 because hardkernel scheduled a c2 release the day before
2016-02-29T16:09:05 < BrainDamage> sorry, the day after
2016-02-29T16:09:13 < BrainDamage> and the c2 still has better hardware
2016-02-29T16:10:28 < englishman> whats a c2?
2016-02-29T16:10:58 < BrainDamage> odroid c2
2016-02-29T16:11:47 < BrainDamage> basically the non retarded version of what a hyperberry pi should be
2016-02-29T16:12:10 < Lux> heh
2016-02-29T16:12:24 < Lux> not really much use if it only fully supports android
2016-02-29T16:12:43 < BrainDamage> but it does support more than android?
2016-02-29T16:12:51 < Getty> its still android
2016-02-29T16:12:58 < Lux> who wants to use android except on a phone ?
2016-02-29T16:13:01 < BrainDamage> the vendor offers ubuntu images
2016-02-29T16:13:17 < BrainDamage> and arch arm runs on it no problem
2016-02-29T16:13:19 < Lux> those are usually utter crap, but we'll see
2016-02-29T16:13:42 < BrainDamage> the real gotcha is the kernel version
2016-02-29T16:13:44 < Getty> does he supports them is always the more relevant question ;) the banana pi producer gives 5 OS as images, and non of them actually works 100% ;)
2016-02-29T16:14:01 < englishman> is any lunix ever working 100%
2016-02-29T16:14:09 < englishman> if it did there would be no need for constant updating
2016-02-29T16:14:29 < Getty> as a debian user i am not sure what you mean with "constant updating" ;)
2016-02-29T16:14:34 < BrainDamage> banana pi is shitty chinacrap that repackages distros without collaborating with upstream and offloads the tech support to them despite not knowing anything about that
2016-02-29T16:15:09 < englishman> let me log into my wheezy install adn see how many updates it wants
2016-02-29T16:15:13 < Laurenceb_> Rpi alternatives make you realise that its possible to suck more than Rpi
2016-02-29T16:15:17 < Lux> odroid is probably the same
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2016-02-29T16:27:48 < Laurenceb_> http://www.peeperz.com/wp-content/uploads/Brazzers-SnowWhite.jpg
2016-02-29T16:28:45 < Laurenceb_> http://cdn1.images.videobash.com/photos/000/094/073/94073.jpg
2016-02-29T16:29:26 < Getty> at least i dont have to wait for the RPi3 now
2016-02-29T16:29:35 < Getty> seems they have prepared this time with enough stock
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2016-02-29T16:33:11 < qyx> wat
2016-02-29T16:33:15 < qyx> odroid works fine
2016-02-29T16:33:17 < qyx> at least c1
2016-02-29T16:33:24 < qyx> I have debian on it
2016-02-29T16:34:36 < dongs> yeah i just ordered C2
2016-02-29T16:35:13 < dongs> lux, it runs lunix and shit properly, no assdroid.
2016-02-29T16:35:21 < dongs> also gige/hdmi2.0 etc
2016-02-29T16:37:56 < englishman> what are you going to do with a lunix
2016-02-29T16:38:15 < dongs> put it in my desk
2016-02-29T16:38:17 < dongs> and forget about it
2016-02-29T16:38:29 < dongs> like i did wiht rageberry 1, 2, 2+
2016-02-29T16:38:34 < BrainDamage> they work fine as media player
2016-02-29T16:38:39 < dongs> lol.
2016-02-29T16:38:41 < englishman> sound investment
2016-02-29T16:38:42 < dongs> lunix.
2016-02-29T16:38:43 < dongs> media player.
2016-02-29T16:38:47 < dongs> yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
2016-02-29T16:38:51 < dongs> lunix still can't play 2 sounds at once
2016-02-29T16:38:55 < dongs> thanks, linus.
2016-02-29T16:39:46 < englishman> rpi2+kodi works fine here
2016-02-29T16:39:50 < englishman> does odroid have cec
2016-02-29T16:39:57 < Getty> "fine"
2016-02-29T16:40:02 < englishman> or the lunix it supports
2016-02-29T16:40:02 < BrainDamage> yes it has cec
2016-02-29T16:40:12 < BrainDamage> yes lunix supports it
2016-02-29T16:40:19 < BrainDamage> 4k hevc hw decoder in the c2
2016-02-29T16:40:24 < dongs> haha kodi
2016-02-29T16:40:53 < englishman> kodi is great, it auto downloads subtitles for all the anniemay i watch
2016-02-29T16:41:48 < dongs> thats fuckign retarded
2016-02-29T16:42:07 < dongs> "kodi" cant even play 4K60P
2016-02-29T16:42:11 < dongs> er, 4K30P
2016-02-29T16:42:14 < dongs> without stuttering to fuck
2016-02-29T16:42:16 < dongs> neer mind 4K60
2016-02-29T16:42:33 < dongs> they should have closed shop when xbox went EOL
2016-02-29T16:43:20 < englishman> what is this odroid emmc module
2016-02-29T16:43:23 < englishman> do i have to reflow bga
2016-02-29T16:43:27 < dongs> yes
2016-02-29T16:43:39 < Laurenceb_> it sucks less than science publishing
2016-02-29T16:43:47 < Laurenceb_> no matter how lunix it is
2016-02-29T16:44:41 < BrainDamage> they optionally offer emmc on a custom board with a random fpc connector
2016-02-29T16:44:50 < BrainDamage> but it reads SD fine
2016-02-29T16:45:45 < dongs> i thought it was emmc in the shape of SD card
2016-02-29T16:45:51 < dongs> since they're basically same thing
2016-02-29T16:46:41 < BrainDamage> http://techreleasedate.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/HARDKERNEL-ODROID-C2.jpg
2016-02-29T16:46:47 < BrainDamage> see the bottom board pic
2016-02-29T16:46:54 < dongs> k yeah that connector
2016-02-29T16:46:58 < dongs> its some standard emmc shit it seems
2016-02-29T16:47:01 < Lux> ya sure it runs some lunix, but maybe some drivers only work on assdroid
2016-02-29T16:47:09 < dongs> i remember making some prototype boards with that kinda socket on it
2016-02-29T16:47:22 < Lux> i've just looked at that stuff and decided it's all horrible :)
2016-02-29T16:47:28 < dongs> lux, youre not wrong
2016-02-29T16:47:50 < Lux> especially all that china crap seems to be especially horrible
2016-02-29T16:47:59 < BrainDamage> it's korean, not that it changes much
2016-02-29T16:48:19 < Lux> that cedarx stuff from allwinner is a good example how to fuck up things for good
2016-02-29T16:48:56 < Lux> all that fancy decoder/encoder hardware, but no working code to actually use it
2016-02-29T16:50:38 < dongs> sure
2016-02-29T16:50:44 < dongs> but allwhiner docs themselves really suck dick too
2016-02-29T16:50:53 < dongs> I have some of their NDA shit and its fucking awful
2016-02-29T16:50:59 < dongs> even if you had docs you couldnt write any useful shit for it
2016-02-29T16:51:26 < Lux> yeah, i've heard similar stories
2016-02-29T16:52:03 < Lux>  that's probably another reason why it's all nda
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2016-02-29T16:53:19 < Lux> apparently there is also some undocumented stuff they only tell you about on the phone etc etc
2016-02-29T16:53:51 < Lux> but it seems like that's the same with all arm soc vendors
2016-02-29T16:54:11 < Lux> especially when you get into camera/encoding stuff
2016-02-29T16:55:13 < Lux> i think qualcomm will only give docs to it's premium partners and they have to offer you the whole software/hardware package
2016-02-29T16:55:25 < Lux> not a chance for a 3rd party to adopt stuff
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2016-02-29T16:58:22 < karlp> god, this stlink 2.1 usb-serial portion is fucking worthless. not even going to try anymore.
2016-02-29T16:58:34 < karlp> copy paste just pastes corrupt garbage most of the time.
2016-02-29T16:59:53 < dongs> sounds like they're overrunning teh buffer
2016-02-29T16:59:55 < dongs> and its CLOSED SORES
2016-02-29T16:59:56 < dongs> so you CANT FIX
2016-02-29T17:01:33 < karlp> I don't _want_ tgo fix it.
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2016-02-29T20:24:34 < Laurenceb_> can someone remind me what this does?
2016-02-29T20:24:35 < Laurenceb_>   TIM_OCInitStructure.TIM_Pulse
2016-02-29T20:29:01 < Laurenceb_> oh thats the actual duty cycle
2016-02-29T20:29:06 < Laurenceb_> confusing terminology
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2016-02-29T20:37:04 < englishman> erm its not tho?
2016-02-29T20:37:07 < englishman> and i thought its clear
2016-02-29T20:37:14 < englishman> and depends on counting mode
2016-02-29T20:37:24 < englishman> in pwm its pulse duration then theres also reset time
2016-02-29T20:37:34 < englishman> pulse is high time and the other one is total time
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2016-02-29T20:37:41 < englishman> dutycycle = pulse/otherone
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2016-02-29T20:55:26 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-02-29T20:55:57 < englishman> 32 bit horse
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2016-02-29T20:59:41 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RgYE2BL3Qo
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2016-02-29T21:05:33 < Martin90> what compiler options we have beside "arm-none-eabi-gcc" ?
2016-02-29T21:06:42 < zyp> in what sense?
2016-02-29T21:07:06 < zyp> you're thinking of compiler vendors now, or what?
2016-02-29T21:07:44 < zyp> if so, you've got gcc, I think you can make clang/llvm work, and there's keil/armcc
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2016-02-29T21:08:07 < zyp> those are probably all the relevant ones, and then there's a few more choices like iar that's probably not worth caring about
2016-02-29T21:08:20 < Martin90> what about "ARM Compiler 5
2016-02-29T21:08:29 < Martin90> http://ds.arm.com/ds-5/build/
2016-02-29T21:09:15 < Martin90> that link is more about IDE but there ARM compilers mentioned too
2016-02-29T21:12:14 < Martin90> zyp: do you know that ARM Compiler ?
2016-02-29T21:12:27 < zyp> that's probably the same armcc as you get with keil
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2016-02-29T21:15:04 < Martin90> I've never wondered too much about which compiler to use but right now I wonder, is there any reason why I should choose one over another ?
2016-02-29T21:15:52 < zyp> well
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2016-02-29T21:16:14 < zyp> if you're using a commercial IDE, you use whatever is shipped with the IDE
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2016-02-29T21:16:41 < zyp> if not, arm-gcc is the natural choice
2016-02-29T21:16:59 < zyp> I wouldn't use anything else without a particular reason to
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2016-02-29T21:17:39 < englishman> and remember, the more vocal someone is about their choice of compilers, the more likely they are to be right
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2016-02-29T21:18:33 < Martin90> englishman: haha nice argument
2016-02-29T21:18:38 < Martin90> zyp: ok thanks
2016-02-29T21:19:31 < zyp> I'm not sure how easy clang/llvm is to get working with cortex-m as a target, but in the future it would probably be a good alternative to gcc
2016-02-29T21:19:42 < zyp> right now I would guess it's a bit more work to get right
2016-02-29T21:27:38 < lorenzo> Martin90: how much can you / your company afford to spend?
2016-02-29T21:28:12 < lorenzo> 0$ -> Makefile + vi + gcc
2016-02-29T21:28:17 < lorenzo> 0-1000$ -> rowley crossworks
2016-02-29T21:28:22 < lorenzo> > 1000$ -> everything else
2016-02-29T21:29:11 < Martin90> lorenzo: when money is involved you may ask "is it worth paying ?" huh ?
2016-02-29T21:29:58 < lorenzo> Martin90: you should figure out if any of the commercial IDEs (and their workflows) are worth anything to you
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2016-02-29T21:31:52 < lorenzo> oh and their compilers of course
2016-02-29T21:32:08 < Martin90> lorenzo: personaly I chose to get ride of IDE for STM32, now I am working on own build system...
2016-02-29T21:32:20 < Martin90> s/ride/rid
2016-02-29T21:33:38 < zyp> what kind of build system?
2016-02-29T21:33:43 < zyp> just makefiles?
2016-02-29T21:33:48 < lorenzo> well I've figured out that using a full fledged IDE helps a bit when trying out new chips or boards
2016-02-29T21:34:06 < lorenzo> since most of them prepare the whole cmsis + hal + initialization code + BSP for you
2016-02-29T21:34:14 < lorenzo> and set up the debug link too
2016-02-29T21:34:41 < Martin90> zyp: yes I am sure you remember my recent struggles with it
2016-02-29T21:34:47 < zyp> assuming you want to use the hal stuff supported by the IDE
2016-02-29T21:35:02 < zyp> Martin90, you wouldn't happen to be familiar with python?
2016-02-29T21:35:11 < zyp> if so, I would suggest looking at scons
2016-02-29T21:35:14 < Martin90> zyp: no but I am rather fluent in perl
2016-02-29T21:35:28 < zyp> I find scons much more pleasant to work with than makefiles
2016-02-29T21:37:02 < Martin90> lorenzo: yes thats very true - IDE is recommended for start
2016-02-29T21:37:58 < Martin90> to be honest I tested SW4STM32 and it sucks Keils isn't ideal too.... and has limitations....
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2016-02-29T21:38:51 < Martin90> zyp: I think it is a bit difficult to write first makefile, but once you have at least one up and running then it's easy to maintain...
2016-02-29T21:39:25 < lorenzo> it's not just makefile, there's startup, linker script
2016-02-29T21:39:33 < Martin90> and for the very first one you can use makefiles from IDEs as a guide... ;P
2016-02-29T21:39:35 < lorenzo> the various includes for the device family
2016-02-29T21:39:43 < Martin90> that;s what I am doing right now..
2016-02-29T21:39:54 < zyp> Martin90, yeah, they are just annoying to work with
2016-02-29T21:40:11 < zyp> a bit too fragile for my taste
2016-02-29T21:40:13 < lorenzo> but again, it's great to have a choice :)
2016-02-29T21:41:10 < Martin90> lorenzo: you can get that script, ther is no need to write one yourself..
2016-02-29T21:41:18 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/suzumebachi/tree/SConstruct?id=2fc77d2 <- here's what a simple SConstruct looks like
2016-02-29T21:41:32 < Martin90> I mean linker script (startup)
2016-02-29T21:42:00 < zyp> and scons takes care of all include dependencies and shit for you so there's no need for a bunch of header scanning rules
2016-02-29T21:44:28 < zyp> in my lib, I built some convenience functions around scons that sets up the build variables automatically, so for my new projects it's even simpler:
2016-02-29T21:44:31 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/SConstruct
2016-02-29T21:44:47 < zyp> this is what a good build system is, in my opinion ;)
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2016-02-29T21:45:10 < Martin90> what do you think about that "mbed" ?
2016-02-29T21:45:55 < Martin90> zyp: looks nice
2016-02-29T21:45:56 < lorenzo> Martin90: lol
2016-02-29T21:46:13 < lorenzo> Martin90: https://github.com/mbedmicro/mbed/issues/1524
2016-02-29T21:46:35 < lorenzo> mbed puts in so much abstraction layers that it's impossible to bitbang a DS18B20 sensor with correct timing
2016-02-29T21:46:43 < lorenzo> since port toggling becomes just too slow
2016-02-29T21:46:49 < lorenzo> which is embarassing
2016-02-29T21:47:06 < Martin90> good to know
2016-02-29T21:47:23 < Martin90> there is marketing around it now
2016-02-29T21:48:20 < lorenzo> also, it's pretty much geared towards NXP. I have a bunch of boards which appear to be "mbed" compatible, but in the end, the only ones that work properly and which are thoroughly tested are LPC176x and LPC11U35
2016-02-29T21:48:56 < zyp> to me mbed looks like arduino except a bit less dumb
2016-02-29T21:49:03 < Martin90> heh
2016-02-29T21:49:46 < lorenzo> it's like arduino, without the standardization of arduino :p
2016-02-29T21:49:59 < lorenzo> (try porting code from a board to another)
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2016-02-29T22:41:44 < PaulFertser> lorenzo: btw, do you know 1-wire can be implemented with an UART?
2016-02-29T22:43:40 < lorenzo> PaulFertser: I'm reading the Maxim doc about it, but it seems to require external parts
2016-02-29T22:44:08 < PaulFertser> lorenzo: but not many
2016-02-29T22:47:28 < lorenzo> PaulFertser: I think another approach would be using a i2c 1-wire master
2016-02-29T22:47:39 < lorenzo> probably higher in cost though
2016-02-29T22:55:28 < Laurenceb_> there is a failmega app note for 1wire with uart
2016-02-29T22:55:34 < Laurenceb_> so prob doable on stm32
2016-02-29T23:13:13 < PaulFertser> lorenzo: "The STM STM32 family can internally connect RX with TX, and TX can be switch to open-drain instead of push-pull, and so a one-wire device can be connected direct to TX. Only the pull-up resistor is need."
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2016-02-29T23:17:14 < PaulFertser> Some random example code: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22211883/stm32-different-results-while-debugging
2016-02-29T23:19:31 < lorenzo> PaulFertser: thank you
2016-02-29T23:19:44 < PaulFertser> lorenzo: np
2016-02-29T23:21:04 < PaulFertser> lorenzo: (regarding mbed universal applicability) I've read reports that with libopencm3 porting code to another supported controller was pretty straightforward. So probably no "HAL" is needed for this kind of task, just a sane API that follows similar conventions is enough.
2016-02-29T23:22:39 < karlp> I've already read reports taht porting from one to another with libopencm3 sucked ;)
2016-02-29T23:30:38 < PaulFertser> If one expects HAL-level API, well, yes, of course. But HAL-level will be way too abstract to be properly map to real devices' facilities.
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2016-02-29T23:54:54 < aandrew> why not just bitbang 1wire
2016-02-29T23:55:27 < Laurenceb_> http://imgur.com/zMzInBs
2016-02-29T23:55:41 < karlp> aandrew: did you read the bug? they were tryign to bitbang it, couldn't because of mbed timing fuckups
2016-02-29T23:56:47 < aandrew> hm, odd
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