--- Log opened Wed Jun 01 00:00:12 2016
2016-06-01T00:03:49 < BrainDamage> did you try to disassemble your dog or connect an obd2 connector?
2016-06-01T00:05:53 < kakimir> it was scrapped without my interference
2016-06-01T00:08:04 < upgrdman> on lpc1768 any idea how to flush the ssp (spi) tx fifo? its an spi slave.
2016-06-01T00:12:20 < upgrdman> oh fuck, there is no way to aside from resetting the whole periph. fucking aids.  https://www.lpcware.com/content/forum/ssp-spi-slave-mode-how-flush-transmit-fifo
2016-06-01T00:12:31 < Sync> gg
2016-06-01T00:12:36 < upgrdman> gg?
2016-06-01T00:12:41 < Sync> who the fuck designs stuff like that
2016-06-01T00:12:43 < Sync> good game
2016-06-01T00:12:48 < upgrdman> inorite
2016-06-01T00:13:00 < Sync> and it is not even italians on coke
2016-06-01T00:13:13 < Sync> well, probably dutchies blazing it
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2016-06-01T00:15:23 < upgrdman> i suppose, but its still aids
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2016-06-01T00:16:52 < upgrdman> im also mildly enraged at no way to see how much is in either FIFO. i can only tell if theyre empty, half, or overflowed
2016-06-01T00:17:11 < upgrdman> not using dma for this atm
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2016-06-01T00:31:16 < upgrdman> you cant flush a fifo by writing into it
2016-06-01T00:31:18 < upgrdman> faggot
2016-06-01T00:31:43 < upgrdman> and reading it would flush the rx fifo
2016-06-01T00:31:50 < upgrdman> same register for tx and rx data
2016-06-01T00:33:31 < upgrdman> side note, i trolled myself so good this morning
2016-06-01T00:33:50 < upgrdman> wondering why i was getting random rx fifo overflows
2016-06-01T00:34:12 < upgrdman> turns out i forgot that i have code monitor one of the voltage rails, and if it gets to low i do an emergency write to FRAM
2016-06-01T00:34:32 < upgrdman> and because its an "emergency" i disable interrupts to start that process
2016-06-01T00:34:56 < upgrdman> AND i forgot im powered my pcb from the programmer, so the rail i monitor is 3v3 instead of 12V
2016-06-01T00:35:03 < upgrdman> so its always an emergency
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2016-06-01T00:43:48 < zyp> ohsix, what do you mean?
2016-06-01T00:46:26 < zyp> oh, yeah, the register bit definition itself is more comprehensive than in st docs
2016-06-01T00:47:13 < zyp> idk, doesn't look like that much of a difference to me
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2016-06-01T00:52:54 < upgrdman> lol. looks like Java 3D has not been updated since the Sun days. installer still has Sun logos, etc.
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2016-06-01T01:00:26 < upgrdman> you sure
2016-06-01T01:01:22 < upgrdman> j3d
2016-06-01T01:01:25 < Rob235> voodoo gfx
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2016-06-01T01:04:43 < upgrdman> family, talking, and eating the dogs out. seems like you live a full life.
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2016-06-01T01:25:33 < upgrdman_> ohsix, that "... ARM spec ..." bullshit happens often in that doc
2016-06-01T01:25:47 < upgrdman_> kinds pissed me off to. like just fucking tell me. you made the silicon you faggots.
2016-06-01T01:30:57 < ReadMobl> https://soundcloud.com/t-mass-mixes/dab
2016-06-01T01:31:05 < ReadMobl> Ava lul
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2016-06-01T01:46:14 < upgrdman_> ohsix, i need to empty the tx fifo in case of corrupt spi transactions
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2016-06-01T01:54:57 < upgrdman> yes in case the spi master fucks up (or fucked up cable, etc.)
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2016-06-01T02:01:30 < upgrdman> yay i got java3d working so i can apply a quaternion to a cube
2016-06-01T02:01:42 < upgrdman> now i can hopefully visualize what's fucked up with my 9dof code and unfuck it
2016-06-01T02:03:02 < upgrdman> processing does not support display scaling
2016-06-01T02:03:11 < upgrdman> and with my 4k monitor i like 200% scaling
2016-06-01T02:03:23 < upgrdman> so, fuck that, it lost before i even gave it a try
2016-06-01T02:03:35 < upgrdman> it matters a lot. for gl and for their shit ide
2016-06-01T02:04:10 < upgrdman> their bug is like "ya, we know, lol. maybe we'll fix it if we give a shit sometime."
2016-06-01T02:04:32 < upgrdman> i tried that manifest trick (which i have to use with lots of java apps) and no luck
2016-06-01T02:04:54 < upgrdman> sure bro, paypal me the money ;)
2016-06-01T02:07:44 < upgrdman> ya the win compat modes dont do the trick
2016-06-01T02:08:02 < upgrdman> and yes, why the fuck cant microsoft make it a checkbox. but no... fuckers
2016-06-01T02:08:45 < upgrdman> ya. right now you have to edit the registry to enable manifests, then shit a .manifest next to every EXE you want to run at low res
2016-06-01T02:09:58 < upgrdman> but even windows is still fucked up with display scaling. like if you plug into a 4k @ 200%scale, then unplug and plug into a 1080@100scale, the desktop icons and some fonts are fucking huge. you have to log out or restart for windows to unfuck itself
2016-06-01T02:10:42 < upgrdman> lol
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2016-06-01T02:38:52 < upgrdman> ohsix, im not faking dpi
2016-06-01T02:39:07 < upgrdman> the manifest just forces windows to not believe a program that claims it's "dpi aware"
2016-06-01T02:41:07 < upgrdman> nice capacitor bank  https://www.reddit.com/r/TechnologyPorn/comments/4lojuw/raytheon_pulse_power_container_for_us_navys/
2016-06-01T02:43:37 < Laurenceb_> how many bad sectors is too many for dd?
2016-06-01T02:43:55 < Laurenceb_> hmm
2016-06-01T02:44:03 < Laurenceb_> I'm getting io errors from dd
2016-06-01T02:44:07 < Laurenceb_> this is bad right?
2016-06-01T02:44:10 < BrainDamage> ddrescue
2016-06-01T02:44:19 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-06-01T02:44:24 < Laurenceb_> 460 errors so far
2016-06-01T02:44:32 < Laurenceb_> ah
2016-06-01T02:44:47 < Laurenceb_> should I kill dd and restart using ddrescue?
2016-06-01T02:45:09 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-06-01T02:45:22 < Laurenceb_> is 460 read errors too bad to be worth continuing?
2016-06-01T02:45:49 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-06-01T02:46:02 < Laurenceb_> I think I'll kill dd and restart with ddrescue then
2016-06-01T02:46:15 < Laurenceb_> its been running 1 hour so far, down to 10MB/s
2016-06-01T02:47:58 < Laurenceb_> like so?  http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Damaged_Hard_Disk
2016-06-01T02:48:29 < Laurenceb_> k I'll kill it and restart
2016-06-01T02:54:00 < Laurenceb_> my version of ddrescue is different
2016-06-01T02:54:07 < dongs> nice autism there bros
2016-06-01T02:54:07 < Laurenceb_> is the logfile important?
2016-06-01T02:54:20 < dongs> lemme guess: ohsix is giving professional data recovery advice
2016-06-01T02:54:28 < Laurenceb_> grr its not working, time to read the man
2016-06-01T02:54:38 < dongs> if only he'd put all that free time into doing something that actually makes money
2016-06-01T02:54:43 < dongs> instead of assburgering on irc
2016-06-01T02:55:08 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Architecture/XMOS-Investigation/
2016-06-01T02:55:09 < dongs> haha
2016-06-01T02:55:29 < dongs> i thikn I'll bid on this and tell them all the reasons NOT to uose it
2016-06-01T02:56:26 < Laurenceb_>  "outputfile exists and is not a regular file"
2016-06-01T02:56:30 < dongs> I need an excellent paper which will be published in IEEE.I need 40pages min.My budget is 120$ for it.I will provide all docs regarding paper.But please bid those who are very well known about IEEE paper.Before awarding you i want some draft so that i can understand that u are the right person who can handle this.Thank u.
2016-06-01T02:56:49 < dongs> ohsix could fill 40 pages in an hour
2016-06-01T02:56:50 < dongs> for $120
2016-06-01T02:57:00 < Laurenceb_> ddrescue /dev/sda /dev/sdb /media/rescued.log
2016-06-01T02:57:09 < Laurenceb_> is that ok?
2016-06-01T02:57:15 < Laurenceb_> maybe I need --force
2016-06-01T02:57:28 < Laurenceb_> well its wont run, I get an error
2016-06-01T02:57:44 < Laurenceb_> its a new drive I'm trying to copy to
2016-06-01T02:57:51 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-06-01T02:58:17 < Laurenceb_> heh yeah
2016-06-01T02:59:29 < Laurenceb_> ate 1 hour...
2016-06-01T02:59:33 < Laurenceb_> thanks for the help
2016-06-01T02:59:42 < Ultrasauce> shoulda used the cloud
2016-06-01T02:59:47 < Laurenceb_> *ETA
2016-06-01T02:59:51 < dongs> shoulda used windows
2016-06-01T03:00:07 < Laurenceb_> its running now, only have systemresume command line
2016-06-01T03:00:23 < Laurenceb_>  /dev/sda is some western digital crap
2016-06-01T03:01:50 < Laurenceb_> dongs: nice paper count plan
2016-06-01T03:01:58 < Laurenceb_> I only have 1 :(
2016-06-01T03:02:10 < Laurenceb_> scientific publishing sucks
2016-06-01T03:05:18 < Ultrasauce> >vice
2016-06-01T03:05:20 < Ultrasauce> >reporting
2016-06-01T03:06:26 < dongs> ohsix: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2016-06-01T03:06:50 < Ultrasauce> dongs is just mad because we arent praising breitbart
2016-06-01T03:07:06 < dongs> what teh fuck si it
2016-06-01T03:07:15 < dongs> sorry i dont keep track of stupid
2016-06-01T03:12:45 < Laurenceb_> this is interesting, it's got to the point of the previous errors now
2016-06-01T03:13:05 < Laurenceb_> seems to be making its way through with no errors
2016-06-01T03:13:12 < Laurenceb_> just really slow, <1k/s
2016-06-01T03:13:37 < Laurenceb_> presumably its doing tons of repeat reads
2016-06-01T03:14:40 < Laurenceb_> heh 600B/s
2016-06-01T03:14:44 < Laurenceb_> still working tho
2016-06-01T03:16:15 < Laurenceb_> lol ETA 35 days
2016-06-01T03:16:27 < upgrdman> ultra == gargantua?
2016-06-01T03:17:51 < dongs> yea
2016-06-01T03:18:30 < Ultrasauce> yeppers
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2016-06-01T03:29:38 < Laurenceb_> yeahs it's come right down now
2016-06-01T03:29:50 < Laurenceb_> ok, but it's not showing any errors
2016-06-01T03:30:09 < Laurenceb_> ok thats good
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2016-06-01T03:33:33 < Laurenceb_> cya, thanx for the help
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2016-06-01T04:08:56 < aandrew> May I suggest you tweet about it instead?
2016-06-01T04:08:57 < aandrew> hahahaha
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2016-06-01T04:21:42 < upgrdman> yay i got my robot to send it quaternion to java 3d. quat looks good. never thought i'd be so happy to see a 3D cube follow the orientation of my robot.
2016-06-01T04:22:04 < upgrdman> so my euler angle conversions must be fucked. time to reread.
2016-06-01T04:25:10 < Ultrasauce> just stay the fuck away from euler angles
2016-06-01T04:25:19 < Ultrasauce> they're awful
2016-06-01T04:26:26 < upgrdman> well i need to calc my, uh, pitch
2016-06-01T04:26:30 < upgrdman> its a balancing robot
2016-06-01T04:26:54 < upgrdman> how else would i go from a quat to knowing my pitch?
2016-06-01T04:28:26 < Ultrasauce> well that part's fine, i just mean avoid them as your main internal representation of orientation
2016-06-01T04:28:51 < Ultrasauce> or going back and forth a bunch
2016-06-01T04:29:00 < Ultrasauce> extracting pitch for your control loop using the usual conversion is fine
2016-06-01T04:29:29 < upgrdman> k
2016-06-01T04:31:26 < upgrdman> also, lol, i forgot to remove gyro offsets at power up. quat is twirling at like 5 degrees per second
2016-06-01T04:31:44 < upgrdman> well yaw is twirling. others are fine
2016-06-01T04:32:12 < Ultrasauce> go drive it near a power cord carrying a decent amount of current
2016-06-01T04:32:36 < upgrdman> lol. i already skipped the magnetometer since i mounted the sensor on a brass chassis
2016-06-01T04:32:37 < Ultrasauce> the mag field rotating at 60hz does pretty funny things to a lot of fusion implementations
2016-06-01T04:32:48 < upgrdman> the magn is railed in one axis and fucked in the other axes
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2016-06-01T04:37:37 < Ultrasauce> actually i'm not sure the straight conversion to euler angles for pitch extraction will work
2016-06-01T04:39:19 < Ultrasauce> yaw might matter
2016-06-01T04:39:50 < Ultrasauce> or maybe i'm getting the order of the angles backwards
2016-06-01T04:44:58 < Ultrasauce> yeah ok you're not doing position control in worldspace (yet) so pitch alone is indeed fine
2016-06-01T04:45:30 < Ultrasauce> i really confused myself there! got rusty at this shit, havent been doing robotics :(
2016-06-01T04:55:42 < dongs> yeah yaw is kinda crappy on MPU stuff
2016-06-01T04:56:14 < dongs> but if you spend time to calibrate it out + temperature compensate its pretty good
2016-06-01T05:07:24 < jadew> http://www.ideiru.ru/2015/11/blog-post_10.html
2016-06-01T05:12:54 < upgrdman> ?
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2016-06-01T05:14:18 < upgrdman> what a singularity problem
2016-06-01T05:14:53 < upgrdman> yes
2016-06-01T05:15:03 < dongs> dongularity problem
2016-06-01T05:16:05 < Ultrasauce> at 180 your roll and yaw axes are the same
2016-06-01T05:16:52 < Ultrasauce> doesnt really matter for this application because in that case the robot has fallen over and won't be getting up
2016-06-01T05:23:48 < dongs> Safe space is a term for an area or forum where either a marginalised group are not supposed to face standard mainstream stereotypes and marginalisation, or in which a shared political or social viewpoint is required to participate in the space.
2016-06-01T05:23:53 < dongs> For example, a feminist safe space would not allow free expression of anti-feminist viewpoints, and would typically also prevent concern trolling and continual Feminism 101 discussions in favour of feminist discussion among feminists. Safe spaces may require trigger warnings and restrict content that might hurt people who have strong reactions to depictions of abuse or harm or mental illness triggers.
2016-06-01T05:26:12 < upgrdman> is that a TIL for dongs?
2016-06-01T05:26:40 < dongs> yes
2016-06-01T05:27:17 < dongs> i require trigger warning for ohsix chats
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2016-06-01T05:40:21 < aandrew> at NDI (medical imaging) they deal exclusively in quaternions for all positional math becuase there is no gimbal lock problem
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2016-06-01T06:02:24 < upgrdman> with euler, which one is supposed to be pitch? psi?
2016-06-01T06:05:15 < upgrdman> or to be more direct, which of the euler angles is the one that wont gimbal locl
2016-06-01T06:05:18 < upgrdman> *lock
2016-06-01T06:10:06 < Ultrasauce> theta
2016-06-01T06:10:21 < Ultrasauce> is usually pitch
2016-06-01T06:10:36 < Ultrasauce> ie the rotation around the x axis
2016-06-01T06:11:08 < Ultrasauce> but conventions vary drastically
2016-06-01T06:12:17 < upgrdman> k
2016-06-01T06:12:37 < upgrdman> so going from quat to euler angles, theta should be the one that wont fuck with me?
2016-06-01T06:13:24 < Ultrasauce> well how about instead of relying on a "should" we derive the correct answer
2016-06-01T06:13:39 < upgrdman> im not smart enough
2016-06-01T06:14:10 < Ultrasauce> well there's things to consider like what your coordinate system is exactly
2016-06-01T06:14:41 < Ultrasauce> what i would do is use the supplied quaternion to rotate my 'forward' vector of choice, probably z
2016-06-01T06:14:50 < Ultrasauce> then project that onto the plane formed by the other two basis vectors
2016-06-01T06:14:58 < upgrdman> is this stuff covered in some EE classes? im a CS guy so i feel like im get assfucked here
2016-06-01T06:15:28 < Ultrasauce> i am a cs guy also, graphics is what taught all this shit to me because i hated the linear algebra class
2016-06-01T06:16:03 < Ultrasauce> afaik most engineering courses that cover this stuff tend to teach one convention as gospel and fail to generalize anywy
2016-06-01T06:16:04 < upgrdman> i wonder if i could find some lecture on youtube
2016-06-01T06:16:12 < upgrdman> k
2016-06-01T06:17:07 < upgrdman> what do i google for lectures? computer graphics math?
2016-06-01T06:17:33 < Ultrasauce> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL65CC0384A1798ADF
2016-06-01T06:17:46 < Ultrasauce> i found this super useful, i cant remember if it covers the more basic math though
2016-06-01T06:18:39 < Ultrasauce> start by drawing everything
2016-06-01T06:18:44 < upgrdman> thanks! bookmarked. will watch through it over the next few days
2016-06-01T06:18:47 < upgrdman> k
2016-06-01T06:18:53 < Ultrasauce> stuff like the orientation of your sensor on the chassis is super important of course
2016-06-01T06:19:16 < Ultrasauce> it's much easier to deal with that at the start rather than randomly adding fudge rotations to results down the road
2016-06-01T06:19:26 < upgrdman> k
2016-06-01T06:26:41 < Ultrasauce> of course a lot of robotics stuff is geared to serial manipulators with multiple joints so a lot of that will be irrelevant
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2016-06-01T06:47:48 < englishman> hitting the gym to train quats
2016-06-01T06:54:55 < dongs> https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-mass-producing-industrys-first-512-gigabyte-nvme-ssd-in-a-single-bga-package-for-more-flexibility-in-computing-device-design
2016-06-01T06:54:58 < dongs> retweeting
2016-06-01T07:07:11 < dongs> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-31/tech-giants-vow-to-tackle-online-hate-speech-within-24-hours lol
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2016-06-01T07:37:56 < dongs> https://twitter.com/Nero/status/737794104851988480/video/1
2016-06-01T07:41:20 < Ultrasauce> should have stretched them lats first
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2016-06-01T08:11:14 < Ultrasauce> dude your snr is really low
2016-06-01T08:11:21 < Ultrasauce> i suggest the addition of a filter
2016-06-01T08:11:44 < dongs> Ultrasauce: yes, its called /ignore ohsix
2016-06-01T08:11:50 < dongs> instant snr improvement
2016-06-01T08:12:08 < Ultrasauce> dont worry, the non-stm32 things you do are also boring
2016-06-01T08:33:48 < qyx> fuck those freertos macros
2016-06-01T08:34:16 < qyx> I had mistyped session_table_lock with session_table_size
2016-06-01T08:34:55 < qyx> and they happily accepted the size as a mutex lock parameter
2016-06-01T08:35:20 < qyx> obviously hardfaulting
2016-06-01T08:36:27 < dongs> lol, macros
2016-06-01T08:36:34 < dongs> this is why i dont even touch anything with macros like taht
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2016-06-01T09:21:40 < qyx> ohsix: no, hap allocated
2016-06-01T09:21:43 < qyx> heap
2016-06-01T09:22:13 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/Lg1oa3J.gifv
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2016-06-01T09:23:50 < Thorn__> btw there is a real time systems course with freertos somewhere
2016-06-01T09:24:17 < qyx> ohsix: better than chibios it seems
2016-06-01T09:24:26 < qyx> and not bound to any particular HAL
2016-06-01T09:24:51 < Thorn__> https://www.coursera.org/learn/real-time-systems
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2016-06-01T09:25:54 < qyx> they are all trying to make a minimal and high efficiency kernel, optimizing every possible line
2016-06-01T09:25:58 < qyx> I don't care
2016-06-01T09:26:07 < qyx> I just want it to run reasonably well
2016-06-01T09:26:45 < qyx> I mean I want it to let me know if something is wrongly used
2016-06-01T09:27:03 < qyx> instead of just crashing
2016-06-01T09:27:38 < upgrdman> nice cell phone repair  http://imgur.com/PuDfqYb
2016-06-01T09:28:48 < upgrdman> buzzkill
2016-06-01T09:29:45 < upgrdman> ohsix, old, but i found you a new desktop wallpaper  http://i.imgur.com/pRR5m7y.jpg
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2016-06-01T11:01:03 < dongs> is there a cube file for f4disco
2016-06-01T11:01:09 < dongs> with peripherals pre-assigned?
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2016-06-01T11:37:27 < dongs> nothing with a .io domain is gonna get rich
2016-06-01T11:39:45 < dongs> oh fuck
2016-06-01T11:39:51 < dongs> cube DOES have a -discovery tempalte file
2016-06-01T11:39:56 < dongs> aweseome
2016-06-01T11:40:04 < dongs> with wasted pins pre-mapped
2016-06-01T11:41:03 < Ultrasauce> Particle Dev is a desktop application that allows you to work with local copies of your firmware files. However, internet access is required as the files are pushed to the Particle Cloud for compilation and returns a binary
2016-06-01T11:41:04 < Ultrasauce> lol
2016-06-01T11:41:41 < qyx> uhm, $3 for 1MB?
2016-06-01T11:43:00 < qyx> we have an operator here providing 1MB for 0.04€
2016-06-01T11:43:09 < qyx> with zero monthly fee (prepaidň
2016-06-01T11:44:09 < Ultrasauce> mm2m doesnt use the word "cloud"
2016-06-01T11:44:14 < Ultrasauce> they're so stuck in last decade
2016-06-01T11:44:18 < Ultrasauce> failed business right there
2016-06-01T11:45:24 < dongs> mang2mang
2016-06-01T11:45:28 < Ultrasauce> but no saas compiler
2016-06-01T11:45:29 < dongs> 1meg for $3 is retarded
2016-06-01T11:45:49 < dongs> only flycack would find that useful
2016-06-01T11:47:11 < dongs> well, they fucking blew it
2016-06-01T11:47:17 < dongs> have pinmap for f4disco
2016-06-01T11:47:28 < dongs> doesnt fucking use the fact that its clocked from the stdick
2016-06-01T11:49:08 < Ultrasauce> stm32 has 4 corner simultaneous 4-clock timecube in only 168mhz rotation
2016-06-01T11:52:30 < dongs> yes
2016-06-01T11:53:52 < Ultrasauce> lol at the diode drop voltage regulator
2016-06-01T11:57:03 < dongs> autism?
2016-06-01T11:57:40 < dongs> WTF
2016-06-01T11:57:47 < dongs> why do I need to login to donwload F4-disco firmware
2016-06-01T12:00:39 < Ultrasauce> I am a pro irc-ee
2016-06-01T12:00:49 < Ultrasauce> with a bs in bs
2016-06-01T12:01:03 < dongs> that sounds pretty pro
2016-06-01T12:01:09 < dongs> do you haev a blog
2016-06-01T12:01:13 < dongs> or a newsletter on twitter
2016-06-01T12:01:39 < Ultrasauce> i'll add you to my webring
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2016-06-01T12:02:04 < dongs> finally found system_stm32f4xx.c tghat was configured for -disco 8mhz src
2016-06-01T12:02:48 < Ultrasauce> I'm doing a stupid startup that i'm not going to link you to
2016-06-01T12:03:07 < Ultrasauce> before that ate my life i did some robotics and graphics stuff
2016-06-01T12:03:10 < dongs> you can /msg me
2016-06-01T12:03:53 < Ultrasauce> no it's not for the consumer market
2016-06-01T12:04:46 < dongs> so what
2016-06-01T12:04:53 < dongs> but is it gonna succeed
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2016-06-01T12:09:20 < Ultrasauce> no idea. meeting a bunch of investors in the next month
2016-06-01T12:10:42 < Ultrasauce> i dunno if like is the right word
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2016-06-01T12:17:11 < dongs> ohsix had like 10 chances to be in a internet of dicks startup
2016-06-01T12:17:14 < dongs> he assburgered everytime
2016-06-01T12:17:41 < Ultrasauce> isnt assburgering the only way to get into one
2016-06-01T12:20:02 < dongs> assburgering is OK if there's actually results
2016-06-01T12:21:32 < kakimir> can I replace timing belt without aliging those stupid timing marks?
2016-06-01T12:23:06 < kakimir> sure it is
2016-06-01T12:25:35 < kakimir> no
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2016-06-01T12:27:01 < kakimir> I just wonder if the fancy procedure with all the special tools have any functional purpose
2016-06-01T12:28:28 < kakimir> when you can just throw a new belt with self made lining marks to sprokets
2016-06-01T12:28:59 < kakimir> count the teeth in belth in tense side twice to be sure
2016-06-01T12:30:28 < kakimir> and have marks in old belt to to check new belt with too
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2016-06-01T12:33:55 < dongs> wtf why win10 didnt automatically install stdink drivers
2016-06-01T12:35:45 < dongs> oh, thats just fuckin ~great~
2016-06-01T12:35:58 < dongs> clicking on stlink driver downloads: en.stsw-audio003.zip
2016-06-01T12:36:08 < dongs> which is some installer from 1996
2016-06-01T12:36:20 < dongs> with vb40.dll inside
2016-06-01T12:36:26 < dongs> grid16.ocx
2016-06-01T12:37:16 < dongs> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/embedded-software/development-tool-software/stsw-link009.html?dl=616076485431100645#
2016-06-01T12:39:18 < kakimir> ohsix: when the belt breaks in 15year old car https://unitedcats.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/car-crushed.jpg
2016-06-01T12:41:17 < kakimir> diesel man
2016-06-01T12:41:25 < kakimir> we drive diesel cars here
2016-06-01T12:42:59 < kakimir> I'm so used to fill up diesel to things that once I filled my brothers moped with diesel and his friends bullied him because of smoke curtain
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2016-06-01T13:35:44 < dongs> ahah freelancer website is shitting itself
2016-06-01T13:42:17 < dongs> was lookin at some proj and guy was from UK, realoaded again and it showed some paki sign and a bunch of debug crap in his profile
2016-06-01T13:42:24 < dongs> reloaded again, back to uk
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2016-06-01T14:13:12 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNVdRbmt4Uk9jeEE/view?usp=docslist_api
2016-06-01T14:13:24 < kakimir> miniature iron is here
2016-06-01T14:14:01 < kakimir> didn't know it was dollhouse size
2016-06-01T14:14:37 < kakimir> my middle finger is length of frame
2016-06-01T14:15:19 < kakimir> actually longer if all way frpm joint
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2016-06-01T14:15:45 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPjKs8NuY4s
2016-06-01T14:15:50 < ReadError> wtf speak english guy
2016-06-01T14:16:10 < kakimir> it's like.. a pen
2016-06-01T14:16:27 < ReadError> kakimir when i posted mine everyone was all like "wow thats so huge"
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2016-06-01T15:22:58 < dongs> just made $30 on feelancer by telling a dude why not use xmos
2016-06-01T15:23:56 < karlp> and got paid?
2016-06-01T15:24:06 < karlp> you knwo, that's fine.
2016-06-01T15:24:20 < dongs> i agree
2016-06-01T15:24:23 < karlp> paying $30 upfront to have someone "pro" give their opinion can save ages of work
2016-06-01T15:24:41 < dongs> i would even tell people not to use xmos for free :)
2016-06-01T15:24:59 < dongs> he just wanted some simple tcpip/serial shit and "easy multitasking"
2016-06-01T15:25:06 < dongs> you can just autogenrate taht shit from cubemx
2016-06-01T15:25:09 < dongs> with 10 clicks
2016-06-01T15:25:31 < dongs> bbldongs
2016-06-01T15:28:13 < dongs> a fun fact
2016-06-01T15:28:19 < dongs> xmos had a cortex m3 thing planned at some point
2016-06-01T15:28:24 < dongs> and I think they made some test chips
2016-06-01T15:28:28 < dongs> but then they quietly terminated it
2016-06-01T15:28:33 < dongs> no sign of it on tiehr site anymore
2016-06-01T15:28:42 < dongs> just dead links that go to nonexistent product names :)
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2016-06-01T15:46:50 < Sync> 0o
2016-06-01T15:51:20 < Ultrasauce> and here i thought you were joking when you said you'd do that
2016-06-01T15:51:46 < Ultrasauce> i hope to one day be pro enough to get paid to shit on stuff
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2016-06-01T15:58:43 < Laurenceb_> https://media2.8ch.net/pol/src/1464777582084.jpg
2016-06-01T15:58:45 < Lt_Lemming> anyone know what frequency usb 2 runs at?
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2016-06-01T16:09:20 < Ecco> All I know is that USB2 is max 480 MBps
2016-06-01T16:15:56 < dongs> Lt_Lemming: i think 240Mhz for HS
2016-06-01T16:16:05 < Lt_Lemming> gratze
2016-06-01T16:16:18 < Lt_Lemming> that would make sense actually, as I think it is a DDR buss
2016-06-01T16:16:30 < dongs> its differential but something like that.
2016-06-01T16:17:31 < Laurenceb_> holy shit /pol/ have a new meme
2016-06-01T16:17:35 < Laurenceb_> https://media2.8ch.net/pol/src/1464745230940-1.webm
2016-06-01T16:20:10 < karlp> how the fuck is that a meme?
2016-06-01T16:20:30 < dongs> motherfucker
2016-06-01T16:20:37 < dongs> i clicked on eevretard video
2016-06-01T16:21:50 < Ultrasauce> nice encoding
2016-06-01T16:22:15 < dongs> continously triggering
2016-06-01T16:23:03 < Lt_Lemming> lies dongs, you love him
2016-06-01T16:23:33 < Laurenceb_> karlp: triggering like a mutherfucker
2016-06-01T16:24:57 < dongs> freecancer
2016-06-01T16:29:44 < karlp> needs way better editing if that's meant to be the highlight of some sort of meme.
2016-06-01T16:36:02 < jadew> I agree
2016-06-01T16:36:13 < jadew> I suppose the catch is that "it's tirggering"
2016-06-01T16:36:19 < jadew> *triggering
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2016-06-01T16:38:12 < Laurenceb_> well it answers the question "who actually watches eevblog"
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2016-06-01T16:46:33 < kakimir> ts100 has turnoff V range 9-12... why?
2016-06-01T16:47:05 < kakimir> I wish to use it with 6cell lipo
2016-06-01T16:48:43 < kakimir> such poo
2016-06-01T16:49:02 < kakimir> 6 times 3V is 18volts
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2016-06-01T16:50:13 < dongs> hm, bit time on usb2hs seems to be 2.5ns
2016-06-01T16:50:16 < dongs> that makes it 400mhz
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2016-06-01T16:54:13 < kakimir> should I change alternator belt tensioner pulley if the bearing sounds dry?
2016-06-01T16:57:58 < kakimir> anyone have idea how many volts ts100 actually can handle?
2016-06-01T17:02:12 < dongs> TI is getting into buttcoin
2016-06-01T17:02:13 < dongs> The TPS548D22 from TI is a 40A, 16VIN synchronous step-down SWIFT™ DC/DC converter ideal for powering performance processors, and includes full differential remote-voltage sense, employs D-CAP3™ control topology and provides 0.5% reference-voltage accuracy over temperature.
2016-06-01T17:02:50 < dongs> min V.out 0.6V
2016-06-01T17:02:57 < dongs> perfect for those 14nm buttcoin asics
2016-06-01T17:03:15 < kakimir> are you implying
2016-06-01T17:03:35 < dongs> where else do you need 40A?
2016-06-01T17:03:37 < englishman> kakimir: 6s is fine
2016-06-01T17:03:43 < englishman> Cutoff V is for 3s
2016-06-01T17:04:10 < englishman> Fet can handle more V but not the current iirc
2016-06-01T17:04:44 < willmore> ohsix, Thanks!
2016-06-01T17:04:56 < englishman> It's open sores, you can write auto detect cell count and use that.
2016-06-01T17:05:24 < englishman> Wow dongs you aren't wrong about o6 clones.
2016-06-01T17:05:49 < dongs> englishman: yep
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2016-06-01T17:14:15 < Laurenceb_> dongs: maybe supercomputerz
2016-06-01T17:14:39 < dongs> Laurenceb_: yeah, buttcvoin
2016-06-01T17:14:59 < Ultrasauce> more like gpus
2016-06-01T17:15:04 < Ultrasauce> but is it vr-ready??
2016-06-01T17:15:06 < willmore> ohsix, That had what even looks like an accurate schematic.  I found several on the net, but they look like ones other people made up from trying to read the PCB--and many parts are mislabeled.
2016-06-01T17:15:52 < willmore> So, C1 is just a power bypass cap on the ST-LINK connector.  Which I may never use.  Though, for how cheap the adapters are and for what you can do with them, I might change my mind.  Happily, I have quite a few more boards. ;)
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2016-06-01T17:29:40 < dongs> huh wtf im trolling myself
2016-06-01T17:29:49 < dongs> cortexm is LE right
2016-06-01T17:30:00 < qyx> yes
2016-06-01T17:30:02 < dongs> im looking @ memory dump in keil
2016-06-01T17:30:10 < dongs> 0xAABBCC = CCBBAA00 in memory
2016-06-01T17:30:37 < dongs> oh i guess thats correct
2016-06-01T17:30:48 < Ultrasauce> that is definitely what little endian means
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2016-06-01T17:33:51 < englishman> most annoying endian
2016-06-01T17:36:41 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/bAciGQ69.html r8  my lameness
2016-06-01T17:37:32 < Ultrasauce> what am i looking at
2016-06-01T17:37:47 < dongs> 32->24bit conversion
2016-06-01T17:38:12 < karlp> you trying to get packed 24?
2016-06-01T17:38:16 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-01T17:38:19 < karlp> why is ptr 16bit?
2016-06-01T17:38:26 < dongs> because i'm trying to be smart
2016-06-01T17:38:37 < dongs> and copy a couple bytes at a time
2016-06-01T17:38:46 < karlp> and you're failing? :)
2016-06-01T17:38:51 < dongs> that code works
2016-06-01T17:39:03 < karlp> not lame then? ;)
2016-06-01T17:39:14 < dongs> well, it does look pretty retarded
2016-06-01T17:39:16 < karlp> just undocumented unmaintainable disaster
2016-06-01T17:39:18 < dongs> theres probly a better way
2016-06-01T17:39:44 < karlp> the "skip" stuff, you want 0s in those posistions though right?
2016-06-01T17:39:49 < dongs> rgb_buffer has AA BB CC DD EE FF 00 00 00 CC BB AA 00 00 00 00 00 00 DD EE FF AA BB CC.. etc
2016-06-01T17:39:52 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-01T17:40:41 < kakimir> why would someone use the iron with just 12V
2016-06-01T17:41:03 < kakimir> lame.exe
2016-06-01T17:41:25 < karlp> if you can't change the format of pattern, not sure how you'd make it any "easier"
2016-06-01T17:41:32 < karlp> but that's nto a strength of mine.
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2016-06-01T17:41:43 < dongs> karlp: just "faster"/better by being more smart with bitops maybe
2016-06-01T17:42:45 < dongs> https://community.arm.com/message/22024
2016-06-01T17:42:46 < dongs> oh my
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2016-06-01T17:49:20 < dongs> http://www.felixcloutier.com/x86/PMOVSX.html this is probly useful on x86 to do this
2016-06-01T17:49:35 < dongs> anywayz
2016-06-01T17:49:43 < dongs> since it works, ship it
2016-06-01T17:49:48 < dongs> i should look at asm with O3
2016-06-01T17:51:06 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/8rImCW34.html
2016-06-01T17:51:28 < dongs> that looks overly complicated
2016-06-01T17:51:57 < dongs> wait wat
2016-06-01T17:52:00 < dongs> its branching to rev16
2016-06-01T17:52:04 < dongs> instead of calling that instruction
2016-06-01T17:52:15 < dongs> fukin lol
2016-06-01T17:53:49 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/ZFr6Hw45.html
2016-06-01T17:53:50 < dongs> dumb keil
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2016-06-01T17:57:04 < qyx> another 30 minutes spent with
2016-06-01T17:57:11 < qyx> lock(); return function(); unlock();
2016-06-01T17:57:19 < dongs> nice
2016-06-01T17:57:39 < qyx> I am curious why didnt it report unreachable code
2016-06-01T17:57:48 < dongs> why didnt it?
2016-06-01T17:57:59 < dongs> anoter macro?
2016-06-01T17:58:02 < qyx> yes
2016-06-01T17:58:39 < qyx> hopefully there is a rtos kernel without stupid macros
2016-06-01T17:58:45 < dongs> CoOS
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2016-06-01T18:22:45 < Sync> CokeOS?
2016-06-01T18:28:39 < Rob235> what did I just walk in on?
2016-06-01T18:29:35 < Rob235> ow
2016-06-01T18:32:32 < upgrdman> anyone know of the top of their heads what the delay between an interrupt event and the start of ISR execution is? iirc its like 32 clock cycles?
2016-06-01T18:32:43 < upgrdman> cortex m4 if that makes a difference
2016-06-01T18:35:50 < dongs> err, that slow?
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2016-06-01T19:03:04 < karlp> upgrdman: something like 12 ahb bus cycles, someone was talking about this on #libopencm3 recently,
2016-06-01T19:03:14 < karlp> they found some of it in the arm docs,
2016-06-01T19:03:26 < karlp> you get extra delays from the event leaving your peripheral and so on.
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2016-06-01T19:10:26 < dongs> aww fuk
2016-06-01T19:16:24 < dongs> oh ffs this shit is 12 bits per channel not 8
2016-06-01T19:16:25 < dongs> whattt
2016-06-01T19:17:20 < Rickta59> you could measure it with the DWT registers upgrdman
2016-06-01T19:23:12 < karlp> Rickta59: how would upgrdman know when to start the counter? :)
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2016-06-01T19:31:17 < dongs> damn, fucking mbed has spi.format(12,0)
2016-06-01T19:31:17 < dongs> wtf
2016-06-01T19:31:19 < dongs> need to steal
2016-06-01T19:34:29 < dongs> oh
2016-06-01T19:34:37 < dongs> apparently NXP trash can do between 4 to 16
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2016-06-01T19:34:54 < dongs> on STM32 mbed it just has if (bits == 16) lol
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2016-06-01T19:48:10 < upgrdman> dongs, whats 12,0? 12bit, mode 0?
2016-06-01T19:48:33 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-01T19:48:37 < dongs> 12 bit per frame
2016-06-01T19:48:43 < dongs> apparently NXP spi thin can do it
2016-06-01T19:48:44 < dongs> thing
2016-06-01T19:49:01 < upgrdman> i thought stm does 4-16 as well?
2016-06-01T19:49:04 < dongs> nope
2016-06-01T19:49:05 < dongs> 8 or 16
2016-06-01T19:49:09 < upgrdman> o
2016-06-01T19:49:29 < dongs> SPI_DataSize_16b or SPI_DataSize_8b and in register its just a bit flat
2016-06-01T19:49:31 < dongs> flag
2016-06-01T19:49:51 < dongs> anywho its fucking with my shitty hacked buffer packing thing
2016-06-01T19:49:56 < dongs> as i thought the junk was 8bit
2016-06-01T19:50:06 < dongs> now i gotta figure out how to pack 12bit values into uint8 buffer
2016-06-01T19:53:19 < dongs> i think i gotta manually pack 96 bits so its aligned on 32bit and then loop that
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2016-06-01T20:11:37 < englishman> time for onchip fpga
2016-06-01T20:11:54 < englishman> 12-bit ws2812b?
2016-06-01T20:12:02 < dongs> yes
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2016-06-01T20:18:17 < Rickta59> in a main thread, reset the counter, trigger the interrupt using software, read the timer as the first step in the isr .. subtract the number of cycles it too to software set the timer and reveal the isr overhead
2016-06-01T20:18:23 < k\o\w> dongs r u finally working on a rev with f4 and spi mpu
2016-06-01T20:18:33 < dongs> k\o\w: ......................
2016-06-01T20:18:36 < dongs> what
2016-06-01T20:18:43 < Rickta59> or somthing like that karlp
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2016-06-01T20:18:54 < k\o\w> if u care about me at all you'll toss an lm1881 on there
2016-06-01T20:19:08 < dongs> i have no fucking clue who you are or what youre talking about
2016-06-01T20:19:23 < k\o\w> ic
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2016-06-01T20:21:43 < Rickta59> but if you just want to rely on docs this one also talks about the 12 cycle isr overhead upgrdman https://community.arm.com/docs/DOC-2607
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2016-06-01T20:24:39 < upgrdman> neat
2016-06-01T20:25:02 < upgrdman> oh so "nested" in NVIC just means that one interrupt can interrupt a lower-priority interrupt?
2016-06-01T20:27:19 < karlp> what did you think it meant?
2016-06-01T20:27:55 < dongs> fucking finally
2016-06-01T20:28:22 < Lux> karlp: you'll probably have to factor in the compiler overhead for saving registers and stuff aswell
2016-06-01T20:28:33 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/YgxG8H57.html
2016-06-01T20:28:37 < Lux> i read 12 cycles somewhere too
2016-06-01T20:29:27 < Steffanx> such bit shifting
2016-06-01T20:29:32 < dongs> yeah , complete aids
2016-06-01T20:29:47 < upgrdman> karlp, i didnt know what it meant
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2016-06-01T20:30:09 < dongs> but at least im getting consistent results now
2016-06-01T20:30:12 < upgrdman> figured maybe it meant one ISR can handle multiple interrupt sources (like how theres one ISR for multiple EXTIs)
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2016-06-01T20:34:38 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/gPfGWmg.jpg 12bit aids success
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2016-06-01T20:39:28 < englishman> oh this is some audiophool freecancer shit
2016-06-01T20:39:32 < dongs> yessir
2016-06-01T20:39:41 < Tectu> better put gold all over it
2016-06-01T20:39:47 < dongs> already done
2016-06-01T20:39:55 < Steffanx> rice paper is the key.
2016-06-01T20:40:59 < bartekww> guys
2016-06-01T20:41:05 < bartekww> i'm using cubemx
2016-06-01T20:41:19 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2016-06-01T20:41:22 < bartekww> i set pb10 to gpio out
2016-06-01T20:41:32 < bartekww> can i set it to in while running program?
2016-06-01T20:41:39 < dongs> ?
2016-06-01T20:41:46 < dongs> why not
2016-06-01T20:41:50 < bartekww> without changing something in CubeMX
2016-06-01T20:41:53 < bartekww> how/
2016-06-01T20:42:39 < Steffanx> buy an arduino.
2016-06-01T20:42:57 < dongs> bartekww: the same way cube sets it to out
2016-06-01T20:43:00 < dongs> like, read the code
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2016-06-01T20:51:42 < willmore> Has anyone worked on adding STM32 support to the NeoPixel library?  Or is there another similar library that supports it?  If not, I'll look into adding support.
2016-06-01T20:52:01 < willmore> Specifically STM32F103
2016-06-01T20:57:16 < dongs> wat
2016-06-01T20:57:22 < dongs> neopixel sounds like some ladyaids trash
2016-06-01T20:57:35 < dongs> it takes 5 minutes to write ws2812 dma clockout routine
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2016-06-01T20:57:40 < dongs> on any STM32
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2016-06-01T21:07:50 < Emil> dongs: could you share?
2016-06-01T21:08:02 < dongs> what? DMA 2812 shit?
2016-06-01T21:08:13 < Emil> Yeah
2016-06-01T21:08:40 < dongs> setup timer with 800kHz period, make a buffer in ram where each 16bits = 1 bit in ws2812, fill it up according to the colors, then setup timer DMA to clock it out
2016-06-01T21:08:53 < bartekww> what is better? cubemx or cmsis?
2016-06-01T21:08:57 < Emil> dongs: that's not doing it
2016-06-01T21:09:07 < Emil> that's describing how it works
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2016-06-01T21:09:43 < dongs> Emil: it takes 5 minutes to write code from this
2016-06-01T21:09:52 < Emil> dongs: could you do it for me?
2016-06-01T21:10:00 < sven337> hi
2016-06-01T21:10:15 < Emil> Im sure lots of people would appreciate the example
2016-06-01T21:10:58 < dongs> Emil: ii have written that code years ago, too lazy to look it up.
2016-06-01T21:11:00 < dongs> its on bcas somewhere.
2016-06-01T21:11:51 < Emil> dongs: The point is that for an experienced programmer prettt much everything takes5 minutes but for a novice writing a simple led blinker and debugging it can take hours
2016-06-01T21:11:59 < Emil> dongs: bcas?
2016-06-01T21:12:20 < Emil> Thus, I'm sure lots of people would appreciate a code example like that
2016-06-01T21:12:35 < qyx> sometimes there are no code examples
2016-06-01T21:12:44 < Emil> qyx: yeah
2016-06-01T21:15:25 < Rickta59> I dislike how she rebrands everything
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2016-06-01T21:27:57 < dongs> i dislike that she has a fucking cockring in her tongue
2016-06-01T21:28:09 < dongs> and i'm using "she" pretty loosely here
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2016-06-01T21:28:23 < dongs> could have a small dick
2016-06-01T21:28:38 < sven337> what did I just stumble onto
2016-06-01T21:28:46 < dongs> sven337: talkin' about aidsfruit
2016-06-01T21:28:56 < Rickta59> she created a new stm32f20x board .. and grabbed the stm32duino port to start with and removed all the copyright stuff
2016-06-01T21:29:05 < dongs> wut
2016-06-01T21:29:07 < Rickta59> then claimed it took them a year to get it right
2016-06-01T21:29:10 < dongs> in 2016?
2016-06-01T21:29:16 < Rickta59> just recently
2016-06-01T21:29:52 < Rickta59> http://www.stm32duino.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=982&hilit=ws2812b&start=10#p11546
2016-06-01T21:30:18 < dongs> haha
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2016-06-01T21:32:35 < emeb> eh - just a breakout for some BCM module
2016-06-01T21:33:13 < Rickta59> she seems to like doing that .. take something someone else did and then rebrand it .. like the usbtiny stuff
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2016-06-01T21:35:38 < Rickta59> huzzah == esp8266 you find on ebay
2016-06-01T21:36:58 < Rickta59> so instead of buying from ebay I could spend 3x the price and then pay for UPS shipping instead of paying $3 on ebay and free shipping
2016-06-01T21:44:07 < zyp> Emil, here you go: http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/arcin/main.cpp?id=1cb55ca#n64
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2016-06-01T21:53:54 < sven337> Rickta59 : is it really rebranded? I thought it was their design
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2016-06-01T23:21:20 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdHlIZGF5ZmE3cEU/view?usp=sharing
2016-06-01T23:22:03 < kakimir> POV
2016-06-01T23:23:18 < Steffanx> kakimir removed his fingerprints?
2016-06-01T23:23:52 < Steffanx> friction ridges*
2016-06-01T23:24:00 < kakimir> please do copy my fingerprints!
2016-06-01T23:24:00 < Steffanx> whatever the english term is
2016-06-01T23:24:27 < kakimir> some CSI skills to pull fingerprints from potato
2016-06-01T23:26:03 < Steffanx> nah, on the photo it looks like you have no such thing
2016-06-01T23:26:47 < kakimir> it's my sticky fingers
2016-06-01T23:28:25 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uoM5kfZIQ0
2016-06-01T23:36:30 < jadew> lol kakimir
2016-06-01T23:36:41 < jadew> hahaha, couldn't belive it when he said it
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2016-06-01T23:37:54 < jadew> kakimir, is that iron any good?
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2016-06-01T23:38:27 < jadew> for how long can you use it?
2016-06-01T23:39:37 < jadew> lol
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2016-06-01T23:42:26 < kakimir> do not know yet
2016-06-01T23:52:22 < englishman> lol is there anything aidsfruit sells that *isnt* rebranded / simply bought on aliexpress and resold
2016-06-01T23:52:58 < kakimir> pretty much nothing
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2016-06-02T00:51:51 < kakimir> movie recomds?
2016-06-02T01:00:36 < PeterM> if you havent seen it, john wick
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2016-06-02T01:09:21 < Emil> zyp: thank you!
2016-06-02T01:11:28 < Emil> zyp: aww shiet, that's C++
2016-06-02T01:12:04 < Emil> Do one in C and we are golden :D
2016-06-02T01:15:35 < zyp> do it yourself
2016-06-02T01:15:50 < PeterM> or pay him
2016-06-02T01:16:07 < zyp> that also works
2016-06-02T01:16:20 < zyp> I can rewrite it in C for pay
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2016-06-02T01:26:21 < emeb> anybody got a recommendation for a 4chl DSO, BW >= 200MHz?
2016-06-02T01:27:04 < emeb> looked at Siglent, Rigol, Tek, Agilent, Lecroy. Siglent seems OK. Tek is nice but pricey.
2016-06-02T01:27:52 < Rob235> Emil: what are you looking for?
2016-06-02T01:28:33 < Rob235> 2812 c library?
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2016-06-02T01:30:06 < Rob235> I'm surprised it wasn't straight to dvd
2016-06-02T01:31:01 < Rob235> I actually watched it, it is ridiculous
2016-06-02T01:33:26 < Rob235> oh I downloaded it. I just mean you are watching it and every once in a while something happens and your jaw drops or you just have to laugh
2016-06-02T01:33:56 < Rob235> it's mostly just nonsense though
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2016-06-02T01:54:44 < qyx> anyone did dynamically loadable firmware modules?
2016-06-02T01:55:20 < qyx> compiled in position independent code, objects resolved at runtime
2016-06-02T01:55:43 < qyx> pretty the same as dll/so, but simpler
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2016-06-02T02:03:25 < Emil> Rob235: ohsix eh. Writing and giving out examples is what makes something more accessible
2016-06-02T02:05:56 < Emil> ohsix: Just any way to do it is great for people
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2016-06-02T02:07:39 < Emil> ohsix: I know
2016-06-02T02:08:34 < Emil> but people who'd like to start playing with stuff either go to Arduino (bad) or have to dig through tons of examples to find how to use x peripheral
2016-06-02T02:08:44 < Emil> Yeah
2016-06-02T02:08:47 < Emil> Arduino is bad
2016-06-02T02:08:56 < Emil> (The code, not the devices)
2016-06-02T02:09:20 < Emil> It hides everything from you, debugging it is "impossible"
2016-06-02T02:09:24 < Emil> that's so not true
2016-06-02T02:09:35 < Emil> it's also inefficient
2016-06-02T02:10:13 < Emil> ohsix: that's what I mean
2016-06-02T02:10:22 < Emil> If there was good documentation, examples
2016-06-02T02:10:27 < Emil> people would not have to use Arduino
2016-06-02T02:11:51 < Emil> ohsix: the point is, if they want to go further down the rabbit hole they'd move much, much faster if there was existing examples and code to look at
2016-06-02T02:12:15 < Emil> ohsix: Arduino is not any more logical than just pure (avr) c
2016-06-02T02:12:21 < Emil> Or simpler
2016-06-02T02:13:21 < Emil> indeed I am and indeed it does. Or why do you think Arduino is so popular? Could it be that there are a fuckton of examples and libraries that you can use
2016-06-02T02:13:36 < Emil> Or how else do you think people would learn to code in the arduino environment?
2016-06-02T02:13:44 < Emil> Just because it is "Arduino" doesn't make it easy
2016-06-02T02:14:13 < Emil> "Arduino" has achieved such a status that people don't think when they talk anymore. "You are a novice? Go to Arduino"
2016-06-02T02:14:20 < Rob235> i tend to agree, it's very difficult to find info on stm32 stuff especially where a quick example would help immensely
2016-06-02T02:14:53 < Emil> ohsix: that's entirely copyable
2016-06-02T02:16:04 < Emil> The point is that instead of using the shit Arduino code and not understanding anything, people would gain understanding and learn, just as fast, if good codes and examples existed for AVRs and STM32s
2016-06-02T02:17:03 < Rob235> I'm not looking for complete libraries, I started with arduino (and electronics in general) a year ago and I've written all my own libraries so that I know how things work.
2016-06-02T02:17:42 < Emil> ohsix: also that "Oh I believe that the x (which is against my view) is correct if you provide six 10-year double blind long term studies about it. Y (which supports my view) can be anything from buzzfeed to a blog post and they are on par with anything you can provide because they support my ideas"
2016-06-02T02:18:25 < Emil> Why do people go to Arduino? Because people tell them to
2016-06-02T02:18:30 < Emil> Why do they think it is easy?
2016-06-02T02:18:35 < Emil> Because others say it is
2016-06-02T02:18:48 < Emil> "People tell me this is easy so I can do it!"
2016-06-02T02:19:57 < Rob235> ohsix: you mean when looking for example code? I don't know, I'm not saying I have a solution. It's just difficult to find information
2016-06-02T02:20:15 < Emil> ohsix: you are associating build environments with the code they write. That is irrelevant
2016-06-02T02:20:53 < Emil> ohsix: you don't seem to want to understand so eh, no point in trying to talk about this
2016-06-02T02:21:56 < Emil> ..........Seriously?
2016-06-02T02:22:15 < Rob235> ohsix: doesn't come up as often anymore now that I'm somewhat familiar with what I'm doing.  For all I know the lack of information available forced me to learn how things work better in order to figure it out on my own.
2016-06-02T02:22:18 < Emil> ohsix: you are so blind it hurts me
2016-06-02T02:23:30 < Emil> ohsix: you are doing that, not me
2016-06-02T02:23:30 < aandrew> sigh
2016-06-02T02:23:40 < aandrew> so I used a box cutter to sharpen some pencils for my 12yo daughter
2016-06-02T02:23:44 < Emil> aandrew: shh, no tears, just dreams now
2016-06-02T02:23:52 < Emil> and she stabbed you?
2016-06-02T02:23:53 < aandrew> she looks at them (did not see me sharpening them) and asks "how did you sharpen these?"
2016-06-02T02:23:56 < aandrew> "with my teeth"
2016-06-02T02:24:04 < aandrew> <wide eyed> "REALLY!??"
2016-06-02T02:24:05 < aandrew> fuck man
2016-06-02T02:24:10 < Emil> aandrew: ":D"
2016-06-02T02:24:12 < aandrew> maybe she's blonde
2016-06-02T02:24:42 < Emil> Kids :D
2016-06-02T02:24:58 < Emil> uphill both ways
2016-06-02T02:25:56 < aandrew> I like arduino
2016-06-02T02:25:58 < aandrew> it's not a particuarly nice platform
2016-06-02T02:26:08 < aandrew> but it's very nice to hack something up fast to prove a concept
2016-06-02T02:27:28 < Emil> ohsix: can you grasp the concept of it not having to be that way?
2016-06-02T02:27:33 < aandrew> hm?
2016-06-02T02:28:34 < Emil> ohsix: ... that's besides the point. Seriously, mate, can you not grasp the context here :D
2016-06-02T02:29:04 < Emil> ohsix: that is also besides the fucking point
2016-06-02T02:29:31 < Emil> ohsix: I have fucking said it a multitude of times already
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2016-06-02T02:29:56 < Emil> Imagine if example code of native code existed in vast amounts
2016-06-02T02:30:50 < Emil> You wouldn't have to use bloated and shit arduino code but could instead to use just as easy to use examples that actually allow you to understand what happens
2016-06-02T02:31:43 < Rob235> yea, I had fun writing my ws2812 library for the drone
2016-06-02T02:32:07 < Rob235> I shared it with Emil, if interested: ws2812.h: http://pastebin.com/xKeUBKKw     ws2812.c: http://pastebin.com/yhQV0ans
2016-06-02T02:32:36 < Rob235> I haven't commented anything yet
2016-06-02T02:32:48 < Emil> ohsix: argh
2016-06-02T02:34:35 < Emil> ohsix: "if examples were available, people would use efficient and easy to use code"
2016-06-02T02:46:04 < zyp> Emil, examples are overrated
2016-06-02T02:47:48 < Emil> zyp: and what would you have as replacement?
2016-06-02T02:47:53 < zyp> people don't look for examples to learn from, people look for examples so they can copy/paste it and hack it into doing what they need to without having to actually learn what's going on
2016-06-02T02:49:05 < zyp> I mean, I showed you my example of driving WS2812 with DMA and timers, and all you said was «aww shiet, that's C++»
2016-06-02T02:49:31 < zyp> it doesn't fucking matter that it's C++ if you wanted to just read and understand what it does
2016-06-02T02:49:55 < zyp> the problem is that you can't copy my C++ code into your C project
2016-06-02T02:50:24 < Emil> zyp: sure, but you'd much rather use infix notation than polisn notation, correct?
2016-06-02T02:50:27 < Emil> zyp: yeah, sure.
2016-06-02T02:50:56 < zyp> would I? maybe I'm a hardcore RPN user
2016-06-02T02:51:34 < zyp> oh, and as for what I want instead of examples? real documentation
2016-06-02T02:52:07 < Emil> ohsix: instead of having to crawl through syntax which I do not care about at all I'd rather look at code that I can understand. Yes, the same stuff needs to be done in C++ and I can learn from it. But were it in C it would be so much eacier
2016-06-02T02:52:11 < Emil> easie*
2016-06-02T02:52:23 < zyp> each stm32 (sub)family has a really comprehensive reference manual
2016-06-02T02:52:44 < zyp> and the ws2812b datasheet explains the protocol and timings well
2016-06-02T02:53:15 < Emil> zyp: really, how can you still be stuck on the protocol of ws2812b?
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2016-06-02T02:53:22 < zyp> and given the clue that you can drive a timer in output compare mode with DMA, that's all the documentation you need to make it all work from scratch
2016-06-02T02:53:30 < Emil> I have read the ws2812b datasheet. That doesn't tell me how to do it efficiently with stm32
2016-06-02T02:53:47 < zyp> I just told you; timer and dma
2016-06-02T02:53:56 < zyp> reference manual tells you how to configure timer and dma
2016-06-02T02:53:56 < Emil> zyp: and as per usual, st makes it very beginner friendly to go over that documentation.
2016-06-02T02:54:22 < zyp> idk, I'm not a beginner
2016-06-02T02:54:30 < zyp> whatever that is
2016-06-02T02:54:55 < zyp> I certainly have no problem understanding the reference manual, at least
2016-06-02T02:56:10 < englishman> omg RPN chats
2016-06-02T02:56:45 < englishman> do it you how do
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2016-06-02T03:07:55 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-06-02T03:08:11 < dongs> < Emil> ohsix: ... that's besides the point. Seriously, mate, can you not grasp the context here :D
2016-06-02T03:08:18 < dongs> Emil: no, he doesnt get the point
2016-06-02T03:09:25 < dongs> i see lots of autism in scrollback
2016-06-02T03:11:21 < zyp> heh
2016-06-02T03:14:09 < dongs> sup zyp
2016-06-02T03:14:19 < dongs> an interesting question was asked yesterday what mhz does usb2hs run at
2016-06-02T03:14:27 < dongs> i found conflicting stuff, 240mhz to 400mhz
2016-06-02T03:14:35 < dongs> 'bit time' was like 2.5ns making it 400mhz
2016-06-02T03:14:43 < dongs> how does it make 480mbps out of that?
2016-06-02T03:15:00 < aandrew> yeah there's definitely a lot of something in the scrollback
2016-06-02T03:16:24 < zyp> dongs, uh, I thought it were plain 480 Mbaud
2016-06-02T03:16:37 < zyp> with plain current loop signalling
2016-06-02T03:17:01 < dongs> i donno.. i thought so too but there was different stuff in places
2016-06-02T03:17:25 < zyp> hang on, I'll peek at the spec
2016-06-02T03:17:52 < zyp> ohsix, no, it's not
2016-06-02T03:21:11 < dongs> crt: ask ohsix for advice where to find replacement
2016-06-02T03:21:35 < zyp> dongs, spec doesn't say anything weird
2016-06-02T03:22:15 < zyp> «The high-speed data rate (T_HSDRAT) is nominally 480.00 Mb/s, …»
2016-06-02T03:22:30 < dongs> but isnt there nrzi on top of that?
2016-06-02T03:23:36 < zyp> nrzi doesn't have any overhead
2016-06-02T03:25:01 < zyp> nrzi is like if(d) { q = !q; }
2016-06-02T03:25:07 < dongs> yeah, there's bit stuffing tho
2016-06-02T03:25:14 < zyp> yes
2016-06-02T03:25:16 < dongs> after 6 1s itll insert a zero
2016-06-02T03:25:31 < dongs> but hm
2016-06-02T03:25:35 < zyp> but that's on a different layer
2016-06-02T03:25:37 < dongs> why am i seeing 200/400 shit the n
2016-06-02T03:25:45 < dongs> too stoned?
2016-06-02T03:25:48 < zyp> idk
2016-06-02T03:25:59 < zyp> net throughput?
2016-06-02T03:26:36 < zyp> not that they sound accurate for that either
2016-06-02T03:26:57 < zyp> ohsix, wat?
2016-06-02T03:27:28 < zyp> net throughput? there's tables for that in the spec
2016-06-02T03:27:54 < zyp> usb is async, there's no way to run at a nonstandard datarate
2016-06-02T03:28:57 < dongs> ooh nice shake
2016-06-02T03:30:28 < zyp> fwiw, spec says that each microframe can at most fit 13 512B bulk packets
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2016-06-02T03:30:53 < zyp> giving a theoretical max throughput through a bulk pipe of 53MB/s
2016-06-02T03:31:06 < dongs> whats one microframe timing in HS?
2016-06-02T03:31:22 < zyp> that's around 426 Mb/s of net throughput
2016-06-02T03:31:27 < zyp> dongs, 8000 Hz
2016-06-02T03:31:48 < zyp> there's 8 microframes per frame, framerate is 1kHz like FS
2016-06-02T03:32:38 < dongs> 3.7
2016-06-02T03:32:42 < aandrew> usb in a nutshell is really good. google it
2016-06-02T03:36:30 < dongs> http://www.silabs.com/products/mcu/8-bit/Pages/usb-type-c.aspx silabs spammed this to me this morning
2016-06-02T03:37:13 < dongs> wtf is usb2.0 billboard
2016-06-02T03:37:34 < dongs> http://www.cypress.com/knowledge-base-article/need-usb-billboard-device-type-c-solutions-kba97146
2016-06-02T03:37:48 < dongs> alternate mode shit looks like
2016-06-02T03:37:52 < zyp> yeah
2016-06-02T03:38:14 < dongs> so much extra shit in usbc
2016-06-02T03:38:34 < dongs> i got my first usbc device couple days ago
2016-06-02T03:38:37 < dongs> the socket is actually bigger than I thought
2016-06-02T03:39:54 < zyp> it's a 20-pin connector, there's limits to how small it can be :p
2016-06-02T03:40:07 < dongs> 10pin wide, technically
2016-06-02T03:40:25 < dongs> samdung fits 11pins into same size as microusb
2016-06-02T03:40:45 < dongs> tho i think they use top/bottom of that lip so yeah
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2016-06-02T03:45:14 < dongs> oh hah, apparently leaflabs/maple stuff is abandoned now
2016-06-02T03:45:25 < dongs> and some fork stm32duino is alive
2016-06-02T03:46:59 < dongs> https://github.com/adafruit/Adafruit_WICED_Arduino/issues/34 ladyaids drama
2016-06-02T03:52:23 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Design-PCIe-backplane-for-GPU/
2016-06-02T03:53:08 < dongs> i suppose if he doesnt mind all 4 cards running at like 1x pcie he could use thunderdong and a 4:1 switch
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2016-06-02T03:56:01 < dongs> upgrdman: did you know stm32cube has pinouts for used pins on -discovery / -nucleo boards
2016-06-02T03:56:20 < upgrdman> not surprised, but why are you asking me
2016-06-02T03:56:51 < dongs> oh, cuz i was gonna make something on F4disco and thought "would be cool if cube had all the pins that are used by shit pre-selected"
2016-06-02T03:57:01 < dongs> i guess ST dudes also thought the same
2016-06-02T03:57:13 < dongs> so when I picked f4disco board in the templates, it was all there
2016-06-02T03:57:49 < dongs> just assburgering , avoiding writing code
2016-06-02T03:58:43 < upgrdman> o cool
2016-06-02T03:59:26 < dongs> hmm PB3/SWO is connected to stlink i wonder if I can still use it as SPI without caring too much
2016-06-02T03:59:52 < dongs> it AFs to SPI3_SCK
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2016-06-02T04:14:18 < dongs> http://www.lunix.tv/2016/06/lunix-tv-in-2016.html
2016-06-02T04:15:43 < dongs> <lunixfags> hey lets go changing shit around again, its that time of the month. who cares if it breaks everything
2016-06-02T04:20:03 < upgrdman> fuck. i've verified that the quaternion coming from sensor fusion is good (java 3d box responds perfectly to sensor motion) but every euler angles i'm calculating is fucked. all 3 change when i rotate the sensor in one axis
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2016-06-02T04:22:39 < dongs> http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/01/us/ucla-shooting-report/
2016-06-02T04:24:18 < upgrdman> oh shit i think i just fixed it. recalled reading somewhere about multipling the quat's x/y/z by -1, and that fixed it
2016-06-02T04:24:29 < upgrdman> iirc that swaps the reference frame
2016-06-02T04:24:50 < upgrdman> dongs, tl;dr? another 4chan beta male?
2016-06-02T04:25:03 < dongs> probably some raged out lunix engineer
2016-06-02T04:25:55 < englishman> dongs: your blogspot is broken, long lines are cut off
2016-06-02T04:26:09 < dongs> gah
2016-06-02T04:26:11 < dongs> fucking opensores
2016-06-02T04:26:39 < englishman> better upgape to rpi3
2016-06-02T04:27:29 < dongs> fixed
2016-06-02T04:38:16 < dongs> are those zeros
2016-06-02T04:38:21 < dongs> OO00
2016-06-02T04:38:29 < dongs> my shitty fucking terminal font cant tell the diff
2016-06-02T04:39:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/PUOvXcC.png
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2016-06-02T04:44:30 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIZ6lOV_ibk looks good
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2016-06-02T05:23:06 < englishman> lies
2016-06-02T05:23:21 < englishman> http://s19.postimg.org/h55ev1n77/IMG_20160530_113204.jpg
2016-06-02T05:23:27 < englishman> the most amazing things come off a grill
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2016-06-02T06:46:45 < englishman> its a kamado
2016-06-02T06:46:57 < englishman> used for both grilling and smoking
2016-06-02T06:47:22 < englishman> that salmon was 45min @250f with jack daniel barrel bits
2016-06-02T06:47:58 < englishman> glazed twice with honey/jack daniels/lemon/spices
2016-06-02T06:49:35 < englishman> yes
2016-06-02T06:49:56 < englishman> amazing meat / pizza / bread
2016-06-02T06:53:36 < englishman> kamado joe and big green egg are the brands
2016-06-02T06:54:22 < englishman> i have a rageberrypi + servoshit + thermocouples for pid controlled smoking
2016-06-02T06:55:45 < dongs> ...
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2016-06-02T07:44:40 < upgrdman> nice
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2016-06-02T07:54:39 < Mr_Sheesh> ohsix, so car coolant temps? Anything short of the coolant boiling's good? :P Ideally your radiator will be at low pressure (in fact, pressure testing it at any high pressure's a frequent scam, sadly) and not too high of temperature
2016-06-02T07:54:51 < dongs> Mr_Sheesh: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2016-06-02T07:55:26 < Mr_Sheesh> dongs, it'd make more sense to ask ohsix to ask people to PM them, then, wouldn't it? Sigh
2016-06-02T07:55:54 < dongs> Mr_Sheesh: well, sinec i have him on ignore I dont know when he talks unless people start having mile-long monoblogues or mention his nick
2016-06-02T07:56:31 < dongs> so im scanning 9 rotary encoders with SPI on F407, thats pretty cool
2016-06-02T07:56:43 < Mr_Sheesh> You could tell upgrdman the same too while you're at it? Just doesn't make sense to just pick at me :P
2016-06-02T07:57:55 < upgrdman> Mr_Sheesh, i get plenty of hate from time to time :)
2016-06-02T07:58:13 < upgrdman> its a badge of honor. if someone isn't pissed, you aren't trying hard enough
2016-06-02T07:58:22 < dongs> now i need to figure out how to actually make sense of that data
2016-06-02T07:58:32 < Mr_Sheesh> o.O I try to help instead of hindering; YMMV tho
2016-06-02T07:58:53 < emeb_mac> dongs: finally got my single encoder debouncing / decoding working reliably
2016-06-02T07:59:02 < dongs> ya? i hooked this shit up without any bounce at all
2016-06-02T07:59:10 < emeb_mac> had a bunch of derps in the code.
2016-06-02T07:59:18 < dongs> but i have it going through shift register and out to spi
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2016-06-02T07:59:28 < emeb_mac> what's your scan rate?
2016-06-02T07:59:36 < dongs> well, right now its just whatever SPI is running at
2016-06-02T07:59:39 < dongs> looks like 1.3mhz or so
2016-06-02T07:59:40 < emeb_mac> mine runs on the 1kHz systick
2016-06-02T07:59:59 < emeb_mac> ie - checks @ 1ms intervals
2016-06-02T08:00:07 < dongs> so youre not using timer peripehral?
2016-06-02T08:00:14 < dongs> just sampling 2 gpiO?
2016-06-02T08:00:19 < emeb_mac> correct
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2016-06-02T08:01:50 < dongs> mkay
2016-06-02T08:02:06 < dongs> i wonder if bounce is relevant with shift registers
2016-06-02T08:02:10 < dongs> since the sampling is instant
2016-06-02T08:02:16 < emeb_mac> major derps: 1) not debouncing 1 and 0 states symmetrically and 2) only debouncing one of the two phases - works better when both are debounced identically so delays are identical
2016-06-02T08:02:19 < dongs> on the sh/ld rising edge or wahtever
2016-06-02T08:03:03 < emeb_mac> depends on if the bounce duration is longer than the sampling interval
2016-06-02T08:03:22 < emeb_mac> most stuff I read suggests bounce can last a few ms
2016-06-02T08:03:44 < emeb_mac> I use 2 samples @ 1ms intervals
2016-06-02T08:03:58 < emeb_mac> seems to work fine
2016-06-02T08:04:15 < dongs> this avago led datasheet is utterly retarded
2016-06-02T08:04:18 < emeb_mac> 5 ms is too long - limits the rate at which I can spin the encoder
2016-06-02T08:04:24 < dongs> they dont e vne list pitch
2016-06-02T08:04:29 < dongs> .. but list spacing BETWEEN pads
2016-06-02T08:04:58 < dongs> emeb_mac: hm.
2016-06-02T08:05:01 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/1IKZ5rc.png
2016-06-02T08:05:04 < dongs> lieke what????
2016-06-02T08:05:27 < dongs> fucking every dimension possible except the ones you actually might care about
2016-06-02T08:05:56 < emeb_mac> you can infer the pitch - they give the pad width and pad spacing
2016-06-02T08:06:02 < dongs> oh sure
2016-06-02T08:06:07 < dongs> but i gotta bust out calc.exe and shit
2016-06-02T08:06:22 < dongs> i shouldnt have to
2016-06-02T08:07:03 < emeb_mac> heh. 0.4 + 0.5 = 0.9
2016-06-02T08:07:09 < emeb_mac> ow my brain
2016-06-02T08:07:21 < upgrdman> lol
2016-06-02T08:09:58 < dongs> pfft
2016-06-02T08:10:17 < dongs> you people are way too smart
2016-06-02T08:16:05 < emeb_mac> yeah
2016-06-02T08:16:18 < emeb_mac> my debouncer provides a rise/fall indicator
2016-06-02T08:16:34 < emeb_mac> that's useful for figuring out which edge you care about
2016-06-02T08:18:46 < dongs> what do you feed it
2016-06-02T08:18:49 < dongs> gpio results @ scan?
2016-06-02T08:18:59 < emeb_mac> yeah
2016-06-02T08:19:50 < emeb_mac> just a shift register - shift in GPIO readings and when there are N bits in same state switch to that state.
2016-06-02T08:45:14 < ReadError> why isnt there a standard of drawing fucking footprints
2016-06-02T08:45:25 < ReadError> and maybe some standard of pasting shit in
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2016-06-02T08:48:05 < dongs> ohsix: please start twitterdrama that you're wanting to make Namco officially change Ms. Pac-Man's name to Pac-Woman
2016-06-02T08:55:05 < ReadError> nah some do some stupid shit on spacing dimensions
2016-06-02T08:55:17 < ReadError> like where they measure from/to
2016-06-02T08:55:22 < ReadError> and it requires calc.exe
2016-06-02T08:55:22 < dongs> yes, like the trash i pasted
2016-06-02T08:55:27 < dongs> < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/1IKZ5rc.png
2016-06-02T08:55:39 < ReadError> yes
2016-06-02T08:55:47 < ReadError> and why cant shit be coordinate file
2016-06-02T08:55:50 < dongs> because NO pcb cad places pads by fucking edge dimensions
2016-06-02T08:55:56 < ReadError> that any CAD can just import
2016-06-02T08:55:56 < dongs> its by CENTER always
2016-06-02T08:56:21 < ReadError> dongs yea thats a PITA but I just start from 0,0 then workguides, reset origin
2016-06-02T08:56:30 < ReadError> kind of a PITA but saves the 1/2 math
2016-06-02T08:56:40 < dongs> well, setting grid to pitch is even easier
2016-06-02T08:56:44 < dongs> fuck workguides
2016-06-02T08:56:57 < ReadError> nah i use the workguides to set my 0,0 easy
2016-06-02T08:57:03 < ReadError> since they snap to pads
2016-06-02T08:57:13 < dongs> shruggin
2016-06-02T08:57:14 < ReadError> it will always end up in the middle if I do \ and /
2016-06-02T08:57:36 < ReadError> i still want that /2 feature
2016-06-02T08:57:40 < ReadError> thats why im not buying altium
2016-06-02T08:58:37 < ReadError> well nah
2016-06-02T08:58:54 < ReadError> its expensive and its not like paid job shit
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2016-06-02T09:01:41 < dongs> < ReadError> its expensive and its not like paid job shit
2016-06-02T09:01:44 < dongs> loooool
2016-06-02T09:01:54 < dongs> says cloner who's been doing paid work for the last half a year
2016-06-02T09:02:00 < dongs> if not more
2016-06-02T09:02:12 < dongs> you have zero excuses to not own altidumb
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2016-06-02T09:15:21 < qyx> ohsix: no, I meant like the user would be able to upload different plugins tothe device
2016-06-02T09:15:29 < dongs> time to write NEOPIXEL DMA on F4
2016-06-02T09:16:14 < ReadError> ohsix it could just be coordinates
2016-06-02T09:16:17 < ReadError> like gerbers
2016-06-02T09:16:32 < ReadError> idk figured this would be a simple thing
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2016-06-02T09:17:18 < ReadError> ohsix from printout would be easy if altidumb supported stuff like 4.5/2
2016-06-02T09:17:39 < ReadError> or 100mil*4 etc
2016-06-02T09:17:54 < ReadError> would make shit so much easier
2016-06-02T09:18:19 < ReadError> yea i know
2016-06-02T09:18:20 < ReadError> spoilt by it
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2016-06-02T09:22:30 < ReadError> yea but im not gonna use blender or inkscape lol
2016-06-02T09:22:34 < ReadError> its not that hard to do in altium
2016-06-02T09:22:40 < ReadError> its just a pain in the pecker
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2016-06-02T09:28:29 < dongs> dlsfjsldkfjsldkfjds
2016-06-02T09:28:34 < dongs> first TIM9 isnt on DMa list
2016-06-02T09:28:38 < dongs> then I look and TIm5 is fucking 32butt
2016-06-02T09:28:40 < dongs> fff
2016-06-02T09:28:46 < dongs> time to find a new pin
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2016-06-02T09:47:46 < kakimir> how is summer in japan? do people work thru summer
2016-06-02T09:47:54 < dongs> yeah its fucking terrible
2016-06-02T09:47:55 < dongs> 28C out
2016-06-02T09:49:20 < kakimir> better work in A/Ced office than melt outside
2016-06-02T09:50:19 < kakimir> we have had whole pre-summer that 20-24 perfect stuff
2016-06-02T09:51:10 < qyx> ohsix: that, or just run from the SRAM initialized from SD card for example
2016-06-02T09:51:35 < kakimir> but its june so soon it rains 30days and its 5centigrade
2016-06-02T09:52:09 < kakimir> then july is fucken hot
2016-06-02T09:52:21 < kakimir> for a week
2016-06-02T09:52:50 < kakimir> no ducks crt
2016-06-02T09:53:56 < kakimir> those stay in south
2016-06-02T09:57:08 < kakimir> we have anatini though that are called ducks too
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2016-06-02T09:59:20 < kakimir> oh i mixed up geese and ducks
2016-06-02T10:02:00 < kakimir> crt: no geese
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2016-06-02T10:10:18 < qyx> yep, I was thinking of doing it similar way
2016-06-02T10:11:01 < qyx> also once I found something like an elf loader
2016-06-02T10:11:39 < qyx> I want to let users program their own "scripts" without reflashing the whole firmware
2016-06-02T10:11:47 < qyx> but probably I will go the micropython on lu way
2016-06-02T10:11:49 < qyx> *lua
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2016-06-02T10:23:58 < Thorn__> https://www.wired.com/2016/06/demonically-clever-backdoor-hides-inside-computer-chip
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2016-06-02T10:31:15 < Thorn> code executes some instruction 10000 times -> demonic capacitor charges a little each time -> memory protection turns off
2016-06-02T10:31:52 < Thorn> if I understood their "talk to me like I'm 4" style correctly
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2016-06-02T10:58:51 < kakimir> anyone rowhammer stm32?
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2016-06-02T11:14:46 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/KobY8qu.png
2016-06-02T11:14:51 < dongs> look at that BEAUTIFUL neopixel
2016-06-02T11:17:08 < PeterM> looks like a 33% duty cycle squarewave to me
2016-06-02T11:19:15 < Thorn> >dV/dt = -2.3MV/s
2016-06-02T11:23:37 < dongs> PeterM: 800khz period
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2016-06-02T11:28:37 < dongs> uGH
2016-06-02T11:28:46 < dongs> 32 2812s at full brightness = 1.6A draw
2016-06-02T11:28:47 < dongs> lol
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2016-06-02T11:34:03 < Thorn> why do you need a row of encoders and a matrix of bright RGB LEDs on the same board
2016-06-02T11:35:46 < Thorn> afaik controllers need buttons, not just leds
2016-06-02T11:36:27 < dongs> the leds are buttons...
2016-06-02T11:38:14 < Thorn> capacitive?
2016-06-02T11:38:20 < dongs> nope
2016-06-02T11:38:22 < dongs> onoff matrix
2016-06-02T11:38:47 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/kCha9
2016-06-02T11:38:51 < dongs> see the ring around?
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2016-06-02T11:41:44 < dongs> now to do dma
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2016-06-02T11:50:44 < PeterM> dongs, is this for some synth or mixer or osme shit?
2016-06-02T11:51:06 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-02T11:51:45 < Thorn> so there're going to be caps over those leds and rings?
2016-06-02T11:52:34 < dongs> rubber ring
2016-06-02T12:07:55 < zyp> rubber dong
2016-06-02T12:08:00 < dongs> yes
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2016-06-02T12:37:48 < qyx> you can share your pro c code now
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2016-06-02T12:50:53 < kakimir> dongs: what fab you used?
2016-06-02T12:51:45 < Sync> $chianfab
2016-06-02T12:53:00 < kakimir> didnt know that gay repair man was from nyc
2016-06-02T12:55:30 < zyp> ohsix, one of the more interesting discovery boards, along with some code framework
2016-06-02T12:55:39 < zyp> then make games or shit to run on it
2016-06-02T12:55:57 < dongs> haha. ohsix. making. stuff. haha.
2016-06-02T12:55:58 < dongs> such joke
2016-06-02T12:56:24 < dongs> he'll assburger over differecnces in cortex m core r0p0 vs r0p1
2016-06-02T12:56:30 < dongs> because it totally matters
2016-06-02T12:56:40 < zyp> ohsix, I considered doing something like that at global game jam once
2016-06-02T12:56:52 < kakimir> prodongs plan to use capacive coupling magic in those wheels?
2016-06-02T13:00:37 < zyp> ohsix, you can also do shit like those oscilloscope demos
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2016-06-02T13:56:35 < ReadError> that PetteriAimonen guy is super cool
2016-06-02T13:57:29 < jpa-> i've been trying to get him do my work for me but he's refusing
2016-06-02T13:57:52 < ReadError> stop feeding him
2016-06-02T13:57:58 < ReadError> the hungry work harder
2016-06-02T13:58:22 < jpa-> nah, hungry = sad
2016-06-02T13:58:58 < ReadError> ohsix that git = jpa- ;p
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2016-06-02T14:13:15 < Sync> oh neat jpa-
2016-06-02T14:13:21 < Sync> I can use that in my yoloesp
2016-06-02T14:14:14 < kakimir> why 16bit and not 32?
2016-06-02T14:14:42 < Sync> why not
2016-06-02T14:14:42 < kakimir> storage variables are 32?
2016-06-02T14:15:26 < kakimir> hmm sure there is plenty of 16bit micros
2016-06-02T14:16:18 < Sync> ohsix: electronic stability control
2016-06-02T14:20:04 < kakimir> i wonder how much average energy consumption of solder iron is in average smt jubbs
2016-06-02T14:20:38 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Arduino-Add-edit-existing-Code/ proj 4 autism6
2016-06-02T14:20:40 < kakimir> around 20Wh?
2016-06-02T14:20:41 < Sync> well, it is not really that simple ohsix
2016-06-02T14:21:50 < kakimir> I could buy such lipo that gives me over 2hours worktime
2016-06-02T14:23:34 < ReadError> kakimir measure it?
2016-06-02T14:25:25 < kakimir> I actually have
2016-06-02T14:25:34 < PeterM> bukakimir turdigy 4s 500mah 20c packs are liek 20Euro
2016-06-02T14:25:34 < kakimir> just forgot
2016-06-02T14:25:41 < PeterM> *5000
2016-06-02T14:25:49 < Sync> ohsix: there are systems that do that
2016-06-02T14:25:53 < kakimir> PeterM: forget ir
2016-06-02T14:26:02 < kakimir> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__9181__Turnigy_2650mAh_6S_20C_Lipo_Pack.html
2016-06-02T14:26:18 < ReadError> why not build a 18650 brick?
2016-06-02T14:26:20 < ReadError> much more stable
2016-06-02T14:26:29 < Sync> the mitsubishi AYC uses hydraulic pressure to modulate front/rear torque split
2016-06-02T14:26:42 < ReadError> im a nazi about battery management tho
2016-06-02T14:26:47 < kakimir> getting those cells is hards here
2016-06-02T14:26:48 < ReadError> dont let my shit sit around full
2016-06-02T14:26:57 < Sync> but using the brakes to torque vector is free and easy
2016-06-02T14:26:57 < ReadError> 18650?
2016-06-02T14:26:58 < kakimir> cheapos
2016-06-02T14:27:03 < ReadError> they are super common
2016-06-02T14:27:04 < Sync> ReadError: pfft
2016-06-02T14:27:15 < kakimir> sure there are proper obes
2016-06-02T14:27:18 < kakimir> ones
2016-06-02T14:27:32 < PeterM> http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__15521__Turnigy_5000mAh_4S1P_14_8v_20C_Hardcase_Pack.html 75~wh for same price bukakimir
2016-06-02T14:27:40 < ReadError> Sync ? Ive had plenty of dangerously puffy packs from sitting around fully charged too long
2016-06-02T14:27:48 < ReadError> the nanoshits are well known for that
2016-06-02T14:27:57 < Sync> never happened to me
2016-06-02T14:28:06 < PeterM> also, yeah, sorta agree with ReadError but i also know bukakimir is a cheap jew
2016-06-02T14:28:08 < Sync> I also have a lifepo just yolocharging in my motorcycle
2016-06-02T14:28:11 < kakimir> soldering iron in idle is around 10w and active soldering requires at least 15W
2016-06-02T14:28:27 < kakimir> more like 20W
2016-06-02T14:28:36 < ReadError> atleast lifepo is 'safe'
2016-06-02T14:28:40 < PeterM> make sleep mroe agressiuve and tip resistance lower
2016-06-02T14:28:45 < Sync> ohsix: well, actually it is a pretty new "innovation" to put servo valves in the hydraulic unit
2016-06-02T14:28:54 < Sync> so that you can modulate pressure
2016-06-02T14:29:47 < Sync> early 4 channel abs systems just had 8 valves
2016-06-02T14:30:08 < kakimir> john deere tractors have had servo valves from.. 90s? maybe
2016-06-02T14:30:27 < kakimir> for hydraulic control
2016-06-02T14:30:36 < Sync> one to stop pressure from going to the cylinder and one to open a passage back to the master cylinder
2016-06-02T14:30:50 < Sync> and the pump just pumped fluid back to the master cylinder
2016-06-02T14:31:01 < kakimir> now thwre is 12?
2016-06-02T14:31:03 < Sync> which is why the brake pedal pulsates when you hit the ABS
2016-06-02T14:31:11 < Sync> 16
2016-06-02T14:31:27 < Sync> but it depends, some also use 12
2016-06-02T14:31:42 < Sync> no
2016-06-02T14:31:51 < Sync> you are providing the pressure for it
2016-06-02T14:32:01 < Sync> but now the pumps are able to generate pressure
2016-06-02T14:33:28 < kakimir> yo mean old times it was all on off
2016-06-02T14:33:54 < kakimir> and now there is more control to those valves
2016-06-02T14:34:17 < kakimir> and it doesnt feel or sound like abs anymore
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2016-06-02T14:35:39 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKX1k2UDJqTTVNMms/view?usp=drivesdk this bidz have steppermotors in hydraulic blocks
2016-06-02T14:35:43 < Sync> in pure abs it just feels the same
2016-06-02T14:36:27 < Sync> probably two solenoids, very common with servo valves
2016-06-02T14:38:47 < kakimir> it actually costs more to have old fashioned stick hydraulics now so tractor manuf. gives electric obe for no extra charge
2016-06-02T14:39:55 < kakimir> but there is still people that trust nothing but old fashioned sticks so manual gearbox and stick hydraulics
2016-06-02T14:42:56 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlKBroV1d0s
2016-06-02T14:44:36 < kakimir> annoyingly out if sync with road
2016-06-02T14:46:00 < kakimir> and there clearly is no smart stuff in it just rendering of arrow turning according the guidance
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2016-06-02T17:04:08 < Steffanx> Yo crt.
2016-06-02T17:04:21 < Steffanx> Hows it mr mate.
2016-06-02T17:04:49 < Steffanx> Tha sky.
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2016-06-02T18:16:00 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/rhDzxiH.jpg
2016-06-02T18:23:31 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/DarkTeemingArrowcrab
2016-06-02T18:25:12 < englishman> busy day upgrdman ?
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2016-06-02T18:33:20 < upgrdman> yup
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2016-06-02T19:30:00 < Rickta59> anyone have a source for a low cost version of the 10 pin cortex debug connector (the 1.27mm thing)
2016-06-02T19:30:39 < Rickta59> http://www2.keil.com/coresight/coresight-connectors/#10pin this thing .. i'm looking for an adapter to go from .05" to .1"
2016-06-02T19:32:22 < emeb> I just bought a bunch of those 10-pin 0.05" cables and cut them up / resoldered to make adapters.
2016-06-02T19:33:16 < Rickta59> that makes sense all the cables with a female adapter connector I've seen are stupid priced ..
2016-06-02T19:33:55 < Rickta59> do you have a link to an inexpensive one?
2016-06-02T19:34:12 < emeb> been looking. dongs suggested them to me a few years ago and I forgot
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2016-06-02T19:34:34 < emeb> they're standard item for some odd kind of expandable maker stuff
2016-06-02T19:34:40 < emeb> forget the name though...
2016-06-02T19:34:50 < Rickta59> k if you remember that would be great
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2016-06-02T19:35:55 < emeb> http://microcontrollershop.com/product_info.php?products_id=6591
2016-06-02T19:36:12 < emeb> NetDuino
2016-06-02T19:37:04 < Rickta59> thanks
2016-06-02T19:37:09 < Rickta59> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121972217044 that maybe?
2016-06-02T19:37:10 < emeb> or 5x for $10 http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Netduino/GoCables10cm_5pack/?qs=2k4gZbgf%2F9m6ENtYgR5j%2Fw%3D%3D&gclid=CjwKEAjwsr-6BRCLvrj785rbhTsSJADjUxakgf4CZMZIoovmoKKMdwDM2ZTCqF5gvSo_nJJrb7Lw2BoCjDfw_wcB
2016-06-02T19:37:20 < Rickta59> sorry
2016-06-02T19:37:26 < Rickta59> http://www.ebay.com/itm/121972217044
2016-06-02T19:37:39 < emeb> looks right.
2016-06-02T19:37:44 < Rickta59> thanks!
2016-06-02T19:37:45 < emeb> mouser has a somewhat better deal
2016-06-02T19:38:09 < emeb> pretty easy to cut & solder to the connector of you choice.
2016-06-02T19:38:15 < Rickta59> perfect
2016-06-02T19:40:25 < englishman> Rickta59: https://www.olimex.com/Products/ARM/JTAG/ARM-JTAG-20-10/ ?
2016-06-02T19:40:32 < englishman> then i got some longer cables from digikey
2016-06-02T19:41:11 < Rickta59> * multiple alternatives .. thanks
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2016-06-02T21:58:45 < Tectu> dongs, emeb, emergency ping
2016-06-02T21:59:16 < Tectu> suddently I can't move newly added parts in diptrace board anymore. As soon as I want to move them they snap to the origin
2016-06-02T21:59:20 < Tectu> they are not locked, I can rotate them.
2016-06-02T21:59:51 < emeb> Tectu: I've never seen that before.
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2016-06-02T22:00:08 < Tectu> I do not like that behavior.
2016-06-02T22:00:41 < emeb> Tectu: I can't imagine why you wouldn't want that. :)
2016-06-02T22:00:45 < Tectu> hah
2016-06-02T22:00:50 < Tectu> any ideas on how to get it fixed?
2016-06-02T22:01:03 < emeb> restart diptrace?
2016-06-02T22:01:06 < Tectu> did that
2016-06-02T22:01:09 < Tectu> like thrice
2016-06-02T22:01:13 < emeb> hmm...
2016-06-02T22:01:19 < Tectu> also deleted those components
2016-06-02T22:01:21 < mra90> hmm what is the point of such casting "#define RCC                 ((RCC_TypeDef *) 40023800" ?
2016-06-02T22:01:38 < emeb> maybe some weird option got enabled.
2016-06-02T22:01:57 < emeb> what version?
2016-06-02T22:02:00 < Tectu> emeb, I urge you to tell me which one ;)
2016-06-02T22:02:00 < mra90> *0x40023800 ofcourse
2016-06-02T22:02:10 < Tectu> emeb, 3.0.0.1
2016-06-02T22:02:15 < Tectu> emeb, it really worked great so far.
2016-06-02T22:02:23 < Tectu> emeb, and middle in the project it started doing this shit.
2016-06-02T22:02:35 < emeb> Tectu: hrmm... I haven't installed v3xxx yet
2016-06-02T22:03:05 < qyx> hm, I assume that I2C peripherals on F3 and F4 are the same
2016-06-02T22:03:18 < emeb> Tectu: if you start a new project from scratch does it do that?
2016-06-02T22:03:26 < Tectu> emeb, just a sec
2016-06-02T22:03:35 < PaulFertser> mra90: memory-mapped registers to control RCC block, RCC_TypeDef describes a structure of the same layout.
2016-06-02T22:04:04 < Tectu> emeb, yes it does
2016-06-02T22:04:15 < mra90> PaulFertser: yes I guess it's all about memory mapped registers, but, RCC_TypeDef is never instantiated ?
2016-06-02T22:04:44 < emeb> Tectu: that would argue against some design-specific option.
2016-06-02T22:04:50 < PaulFertser> mra90: what do you mean by instantiated?
2016-06-02T22:04:53 < emeb> could be a global option.
2016-06-02T22:05:09 < Tectu> emeb, I wouldn't mind if you'd tell me which one ;)
2016-06-02T22:05:14 < mra90> PaulFertser: like  RCC_TypeDef SOME_RCC;
2016-06-02T22:05:17 < PaulFertser> mra90: how a typedef can be instantiated, it's not a C++ template or something.
2016-06-02T22:05:24 < emeb> Tectu: I'd tell you if I could, but...
2016-06-02T22:05:54 < PaulFertser> mra90: so? One uses "RCC", preprocessor substitutes that with the cast and address, you treat it like a struct.
2016-06-02T22:06:52 < Tectu> emeb, this is a very unpleasant situation :P
2016-06-02T22:06:56 < mra90> so, when I later do "RCC->AHB1ENR" where "AHB1ENR" is "RCC_TypeDef" member what happens ?
2016-06-02T22:06:56 < PaulFertser> Like a pointer to a struct.
2016-06-02T22:07:18 < mra90> what RCC->AHB1ENR returns ?
2016-06-02T22:07:22 < PaulFertser> mra90: 0x40023800 gets dereferenced as if it is a pointer to RCC_TypeDef.
2016-06-02T22:07:39 < PaulFertser> mra90: value in the corresponding memory-mapped register.
2016-06-02T22:07:53 < mra90> which is AHB1ENR
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2016-06-02T22:08:54 < mra90> but there is still one more unclear thing
2016-06-02T22:09:00 < emeb> Tectu: sorry - no magic bullets. Try their support - they've got a mail list and the devs seem to reply fairly fast.
2016-06-02T22:09:30 < mra90> how does it know anything about "AHB1ENR" when there is only declaration of RCC_TypeDef...
2016-06-02T22:09:51 < mra90> so in essence how does it know what location "AHB1ENR" physicaly occupy ?
2016-06-02T22:10:02 < Tectu> emeb, thanks man!
2016-06-02T22:10:07 < Tectu> emeb, I'll let you know once this is fixed
2016-06-02T22:10:34 < PaulFertser> mra90: it adds offset of AHB1ENR field inside RCC_TypeDef struct to 0x40023800.
2016-06-02T22:10:38 < emeb> Tectu: Cool - I'm curious what's going on
2016-06-02T22:10:52 < Tectu> emeb, not as much as I am ;)
2016-06-02T22:11:15 < mra90> PaulFertser: yes I guess but how is that possible, by size of members ?
2016-06-02T22:11:51 < Tectu> emeb, thanks for your quick reply!
2016-06-02T22:12:06 < PaulFertser> mra90: of course compiler knows offset to every struct field of every struct that's declared. Yes, by size of the members and it also takes alignment into account unless some non-portable tweaks are employed.
2016-06-02T22:12:43 < Tectu> emeb, a diptrace friend of mine just shared one of his project with me, there I can move stuff around as expected
2016-06-02T22:12:54 < Tectu> emeb, when I created a new board I used the same schematic file
2016-06-02T22:13:11 < mra90> PaulFertser: ok it makes sense, one more thing about aligment, do we need aligment at all in case of Memory mapped registers
2016-06-02T22:13:36 < Tectu> emeb, lol, it only works if I directly open his files. If I create a new layout from his schematic I get the same problem
2016-06-02T22:14:00 < Steffanx> pebkac.
2016-06-02T22:14:14 < PaulFertser> mra90: well, if you decide to map structs to memory-mapped blocks, you have to take alignment into account, one way or the other when writing said structs' declarations.
2016-06-02T22:15:13 < mra90> PaulFertser: ok but why is that, why aligment is needed ?
2016-06-02T22:16:33 < emeb> Tectu - some default option that's set in new files but not in old ones.
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2016-06-02T22:17:06 < Tectu> emeb, which one? ;P
2016-06-02T22:17:18 < emeb> Tectu: Try all of them!
2016-06-02T22:17:22 < Tectu> emeb, I don't see any reason for a "snap component only to origin"
2016-06-02T22:17:31 < Tectu> oh fuck... could it be that my grid size is just rediculously large?!
2016-06-02T22:17:32 < emeb> yep - pretty pointless
2016-06-02T22:17:40 < emeb> !
2016-06-02T22:17:45 < emeb> what is your grid?
2016-06-02T22:17:53 < Tectu> grid size 1211mm
2016-06-02T22:17:57 < Tectu> holy shit am I a dumb fuck
2016-06-02T22:17:58 < emeb> !!!
2016-06-02T22:18:06 < mra90> PaulFertser: do you know that ?
2016-06-02T22:18:13  * emeb usually uses 5mil grid
2016-06-02T22:18:25 < emeb> or less
2016-06-02T22:18:33 < PaulFertser> mra90: the compiler aligns automatically. And you want struct fields to map exactly to memory-mapped registers. So you need to know how exactly the compiler deals with struct fields.
2016-06-02T22:18:37 < Tectu> emeb, well that was a stupid one :P
2016-06-02T22:18:52 < Tectu> I hope dongs doesn't see it.
2016-06-02T22:19:23 < willmore> Tectu, I would laugh, but I'm pretty sure I've done something like that in the past and won't throw the first stone.
2016-06-02T22:19:32 < mra90> PaulFertser: I wonder why aligment is there
2016-06-02T22:19:34 < Steffanx> haha Tectu.
2016-06-02T22:19:41 < Tectu> willmore, that's nice of you :)
2016-06-02T22:19:45 < Tectu> willmore, but go on, I don't mind
2016-06-02T22:20:04 < emeb> Tectu: you must prepare yourself for dongs' response
2016-06-02T22:20:32 < Tectu> emeb, hehe :)
2016-06-02T22:20:38 < Tectu> emeb, well sorry for wasting your time
2016-06-02T22:20:40 < PaulFertser> mra90: I fail to understand your question.
2016-06-02T22:20:54 < willmore> I once lost my glasses.  Looked all over for them.  It finally occured to me that I wasn't having any trouble looking across the room to look for them.....because I was already wearing them.
2016-06-02T22:20:56 < emeb> Tectu: np - needed some distraction from waiting for these long simulations...
2016-06-02T22:20:58 < mra90> PaulFertser: I probably solved it already ;)
2016-06-02T22:21:07 < Tectu> emeb, but actually you helped, it flashed into my mind once I typed the  "I don't see any reason for a "snap component only to origin""  message :P
2016-06-02T22:21:17 < mra90> PaulFertser: Thanks you explained this issue well =)
2016-06-02T22:21:32 < PaulFertser> mra90: glad it helped :)
2016-06-02T22:21:35 < mra90> now I am going to do some experiments with it
2016-06-02T22:22:10 < emeb> Tectu: you solved it yourself. that often happens to me when I simply discuss a problem.
2016-06-02T22:22:35 < Tectu> emeb, that's where imaginary friends would come in handy, I guess
2016-06-02T22:22:50 < emeb> in explaining it to someone else, you take a new viewpoint on the situation that helps.
2016-06-02T22:23:03 < Tectu> indeed
2016-06-02T22:23:11 < Tectu> anyway, evaluation period ends in 5 days. going to buy it.
2016-06-02T22:23:11 < emeb> Tectu: "internet friends" are sort of like imaginary friends that are also real...
2016-06-02T22:23:26 < Tectu> emeb, hybrid?
2016-06-02T22:23:29 < emeb> iFriends
2016-06-02T22:23:34 < emeb> (TM)
2016-06-02T22:23:56 < Steffanx> I'll  buy tectu a rubberduck.
2016-06-02T22:23:56 < Tectu> hah
2016-06-02T22:24:03 < Tectu> Steffanx, how come?
2016-06-02T22:24:16 < Steffanx> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
2016-06-02T22:24:25 < Tectu> oh, that
2016-06-02T22:24:41 < Tectu> I'm not sure if I want to downgrade from an emeb to a rubber duck
2016-06-02T22:25:03 < Steffanx> but it looks nice on your macbook pro, like that phot
2016-06-02T22:25:03 < Steffanx> o
2016-06-02T22:25:12 < zyp> willmore, those are fun
2016-06-02T22:25:18 < emeb> dunno - the duck is probably smarter.
2016-06-02T22:25:47 < zyp> I've checked my pocked while driving before and wondered where my keychain went
2016-06-02T22:25:58 < emeb> lol
2016-06-02T22:26:26 < Steffanx> Signs you're getting old(er)
2016-06-02T22:26:26 < Tectu> willmore, lol'd @ glasses story
2016-06-02T22:26:34 < zyp> that's not going to happen anymore though
2016-06-02T22:26:50 < zyp> new car's key remains in pocket while in use :p
2016-06-02T22:26:53 < Steffanx> We can steal your car by extending the range of your care key?
2016-06-02T22:27:01 < Steffanx> *-r
2016-06-02T22:27:03 < Steffanx> -e
2016-06-02T22:27:04 < Steffanx> lol.
2016-06-02T22:28:03 < Tectu> emeb, jesus am I thankful that I haven't yet hit the "submit" button of the support request form... That story would certainly be all over the office.
2016-06-02T22:28:25 < zyp> Steffanx, I assume it's not solely range based
2016-06-02T22:28:56 < zyp> it's probably some sort of proximity beacon measuring time of flight
2016-06-02T22:29:54 < zyp> and the car seems pretty good at sensing where the key is too
2016-06-02T22:30:27 < Tectu> so better implant it so you don't loose yourself
2016-06-02T22:31:00 < zyp> car can be unlocked from either side, but if I'm standing with the key on one side, somebody else can't unlock it from the other side
2016-06-02T22:31:24 < zyp> so it's also distinguishing which side the key's at, not just how close it is
2016-06-02T22:31:57 < Steffanx> https://www.wired.com/2016/03/study-finds-24-car-models-open-unlocking-ignition-hack/ the list of cars that were/are vulnerable
2016-06-02T22:32:39 < Steffanx> or ask Tectu to translate the original https://www.adac.de/infotestrat/adac-im-einsatz/motorwelt/test_keyless.aspx
2016-06-02T22:32:55 < emeb> Tectu: so you only look silly in front of everyone on this chl, but not to some russians you've never talked to. :)
2016-06-02T22:33:31 < Tectu> Steffanx, well the first paragraphs pretty much reads: "Heil heil, jews need to die, heil heil, the german reich is the best"
2016-06-02T22:33:38 < Steffanx> at least this channel is not publicly logged.
2016-06-02T22:33:56 < Tectu> of course not.
2016-06-02T22:34:24 < Tectu> emeb, have you ever experienced a real russian having a real laugh? You feel like running for your life.
2016-06-02T22:34:44 < emeb> Tectu: I have met very few real russians in person.
2016-06-02T22:35:24 < Tectu> emeb, I'm sure there's some local russian mafia that you can become friends with
2016-06-02T22:35:47 < Steffanx> R2COMs are not nice.
2016-06-02T22:35:53 < Tectu> PaulFertser, is
2016-06-02T22:35:56 < Tectu> so is akaWolf :)
2016-06-02T22:36:05 < Tectu> all the russians I met so far (online and in RL) are rather nice
2016-06-02T22:36:05 < Steffanx> but those 2 are not locals.
2016-06-02T22:36:15 < Tectu> oh, r2com is a trump russian?
2016-06-02T22:36:19 < emeb> Tectu: Pretty sure the latino mafia rules here in AZ.
2016-06-02T22:36:49 < Tectu> emeb, maybe you can get some illegal diptrace licenses
2016-06-02T22:36:55 < emeb> rural sherrifs are always complaining about the drug mules and spotters out in the desert.
2016-06-02T22:43:55 < Tectu> I wonder if those are also the reason for the frequent driving-cars-into-livingroom accidents
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2016-06-02T22:44:25 < emeb> In our case it was distracted teenage girls
2016-06-02T22:44:32 < emeb> twice
2016-06-02T22:45:21 < emeb> Wow - Paris is flooding.
2016-06-02T22:45:24 < Tectu> I wonder how your insurance reacted.
2016-06-02T22:45:35 < Tectu> I mean even the first time... it's a pretty fucked up accident
2016-06-02T22:45:35 < Steffanx> dutchland is flooding too emeb
2016-06-02T22:45:49 < Steffanx> And not by sea water this time
2016-06-02T22:46:06 < emeb> Tectu: Our insurance never heard about it - the car owners always took care of it.
2016-06-02T22:46:32 < emeb> Steffanx: That's certainly a change. Firing up the windmills won't help much I suspect.
2016-06-02T22:46:47 < Steffanx> No it's all rain.
2016-06-02T22:47:00 < Steffanx> no windmills in the city.
2016-06-02T22:47:23 < emeb> Steffanx: which city?
2016-06-02T22:48:55 < Steffanx> Cities all over the netherlands, but mainly east/south.
2016-06-02T22:49:11 < Steffanx> but not as bad as it's in germany and french(paris) i think
2016-06-02T22:50:30 < emeb> Steffanx: meanwhile we're having a drought here and temps are up over 42C.
2016-06-02T22:51:27 < Steffanx> heh, for some reason everything in the US has to be extreme.
2016-06-02T22:52:05 < emeb> eh - not particularly hot for here. A bit warmer than usual for this time of year though.
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2016-06-02T22:52:37 < emeb> late june, july are usually up over 44C.
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2016-06-02T22:53:13 < Steffanx> damn.
2016-06-02T22:53:14 < Tectu> that's horrible.
2016-06-02T22:53:19 < emeb> We hit 50C once about 20 yrs ago.
2016-06-02T22:53:19 < Tectu> worst I ever had was 41C
2016-06-02T22:53:45 < Tectu> and that's like once every 5 or 10 years
2016-06-02T22:54:03 < emeb> Exceeded the scale of the charts that aircraft use for takeoff distance estimates so they shut down the airport.
2016-06-02T22:54:16 < emeb> the charts have since been extended...
2016-06-02T22:54:45 < Tectu> takeoff distance estimates wut
2016-06-02T22:54:56 < Tectu> do those vary by actual temperature?
2016-06-02T22:55:01 < emeb> air temp affects air density
2016-06-02T22:55:05 < Tectu> I guess humidity and stuff is way more important?
2016-06-02T22:55:10 < emeb> which affects the lift a plane gets
2016-06-02T22:55:19 < Tectu> oh
2016-06-02T22:55:21 < Tectu> of course
2016-06-02T22:55:31 < emeb> so hot air means the plane has to go faster to take off
2016-06-02T22:57:24 < emeb> But, most everyone here has air conditioning so the outside temps are tolerated. I keep my office at about 28C
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2016-06-02T23:09:52 < willmore> Tectu, so, don't feel bad, we all do that every now and then.
2016-06-02T23:10:08 < Tectu> willmore, thanks, really appreciated :)
2016-06-02T23:10:51 < willmore> I used to have an email address that was @iamanidiot.com
2016-06-02T23:11:03 < willmore> I used it while consulting.  People loved it.
2016-06-02T23:11:15 < willmore> We're all stupid from time to time.
2016-06-02T23:13:52 < Tectu> willmore, I got    @insane.engineer  that I use for my consulting work :P
2016-06-02T23:15:23 < Tectu> I also got   @embedded.pro   so they compensate each other if stuff gets too serious
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2016-06-02T23:39:32 < qyx> eng grammar question, which is correct? "there is a second stage of something planned" or "there is planned a second stage of something"?
2016-06-02T23:40:12 < englishman> first one is better
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2016-06-02T23:46:00 < Lux> the second one can't be right
2016-06-02T23:46:21 < Tectu> qyx, both are somewhat weird to read in my opinion. How about something like:   "The planning foresees a second stage of something"    or   "The planning includes a second stage of something"
2016-06-02T23:46:48 < Tectu> qyx, or if you want to stick with your version I'd personally go for   "A second stage of something is planned".
2016-06-02T23:47:00 < Tectu> well so did I
2016-06-02T23:49:26 < englishman> yes neither is perfect but also they are fragments out of context
2016-06-02T23:50:08 < qyx> nah
2016-06-02T23:50:11 < qyx> ok, thanks
2016-06-02T23:51:41 < englishman> youre in oregon right ohsix
2016-06-02T23:52:16 < englishman> put a bird on it
2016-06-02T23:52:18  * englishman lols
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2016-06-02T23:58:44 < mra90> can somebody explain why I/O direction mode is set this way -> http://paste.scsys.co.uk/521192
2016-06-02T23:58:49 < Lux> ohsix: idk just sounds strange, but i bet there is some grammar rule to it
2016-06-02T23:59:02 < mra90> "(position * 2U)" ?
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2016-06-03T00:00:19 < Laurenceb_> sup
2016-06-03T00:00:39 < englishman> sup englishman
2016-06-03T00:00:40 < Laurenceb_> is it possible to dd a 512byte sector size disc onto 4k sector size?
2016-06-03T00:00:51 < Laurenceb_> I'm getting errors from gparted :-/
2016-06-03T00:01:05 < mra90> ohsix: sorry which line ?
2016-06-03T00:01:07 < Lux> mra90: there are allway 2 bits used for one port pin
2016-06-03T00:01:13 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-06-03T00:01:32 < Lux> that's why it's *2U
2016-06-03T00:01:38 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-06-03T00:01:44 < mra90> Lux: two bits for direction ?
2016-06-03T00:01:45 < Laurenceb_> just a sec, x keeps crashing
2016-06-03T00:02:02 < Laurenceb_> had to reboot - its a live cd
2016-06-03T00:02:33 < Lux> mra90: moder sets the pin mode, such as analog in, in, ouput and af
2016-06-03T00:02:49 < Lux> look it up in the ref manual
2016-06-03T00:02:54 < mra90> yes I do
2016-06-03T00:05:19 < mra90> no
2016-06-03T00:05:25 < mra90> http://paste.scsys.co.uk/521192?ln=on&submit=Format+it%21
2016-06-03T00:05:29 < mra90> this pice of code ^^
2016-06-03T00:05:40 < mra90> piece*
2016-06-03T00:06:21 < mra90> why not just write some value to MODER like i.e GPIOx->MODER = 0x8785FF ?
2016-06-03T00:07:03 < mra90> line nr.3 shift to the right by "(position * 2U)" what's the point of that ?
2016-06-03T00:07:10 < mra90> to the left sorry
2016-06-03T00:07:38 < Laurenceb_> I think my partition table is invalid
2016-06-03T00:07:54 < Laurenceb_> Invalid partition table: invalide signiture 0
2016-06-03T00:08:11 < mra90> ohsix: but what's "(position * 2U)" ?
2016-06-03T00:08:26 < mra90> position is for loop control
2016-06-03T00:08:34 < mra90> which goes over all pins in PORT
2016-06-03T00:09:30 < mra90> no, no what is 2U but why shift by such value position << 2U ?
2016-06-03T00:09:56 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: is that possible on SATA drives?
2016-06-03T00:10:18  * Laurenceb_ n00b
2016-06-03T00:11:10 < Lux> mra90: look at the register definition of MODER in the ref manual then you'll hopefully understand it
2016-06-03T00:11:22 < mra90> Lux: do you ?
2016-06-03T00:11:27 < Lux> sure
2016-06-03T00:11:29 < mra90> ok
2016-06-03T00:13:09 < Lux> mra90: http://www.hobbielektronika.hu/forum/getfile.php?id=278160
2016-06-03T00:13:27 < mra90> Lux: thank you ;]
2016-06-03T00:13:47 < Lux> ;)
2016-06-03T00:14:23 < Laurenceb_> ok what the heck
2016-06-03T00:14:33 < Laurenceb_> HGST site says its 512byte
2016-06-03T00:15:25 < Laurenceb_> oh I'm missing the swap partition
2016-06-03T00:15:34 < Laurenceb_> which makes sense as I didn't copy it
2016-06-03T00:16:03 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-06-03T00:16:20 < Laurenceb_> but swap was the broken area, so I cancelled once it got to swap
2016-06-03T00:16:41 < Laurenceb_> as it got crazy slow
2016-06-03T00:20:13 < Laurenceb_> yeah but the /dev/ entry doesnt exist
2016-06-03T00:20:21 < Laurenceb_> I'd need a /dev/sdb6
2016-06-03T00:20:55 < Laurenceb_> yeah wtf
2016-06-03T00:21:22 < Laurenceb_> oh wait
2016-06-03T00:21:28 < Laurenceb_> there is /dev/sdb4
2016-06-03T00:21:40 < Laurenceb_> thats an extended partition
2016-06-03T00:21:54 < Laurenceb_> then /dev/sdb5 and 6 sit inside it
2016-06-03T00:22:01 < Laurenceb_> 6 is swap and its missing
2016-06-03T00:22:22 < Laurenceb_> the others are there - i'll try to fix with gparted
2016-06-03T00:23:48 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-06-03T00:23:59 < Laurenceb_> yeah gparted says the signature is invalid
2016-06-03T00:24:04 < Laurenceb_> so nothing done
2016-06-03T00:24:58 < Laurenceb_> heh ok
2016-06-03T00:25:32 < Laurenceb_> well I was sitting hitting the drive with a hammer for 30 minutes
2016-06-03T00:26:42 < Laurenceb_> jk only gently
2016-06-03T00:27:07 < Laurenceb_> tapping it whilst upside down  speeded up ddrescue temporarily
2016-06-03T00:28:42 < Laurenceb_> when rate wa dropping off to <100k a few light hits got it way up to >50M/s
2016-06-03T00:28:45 < Laurenceb_> *was
2016-06-03T00:29:24 < Laurenceb_> I suspect the head lost and reaquired the track, but not sure why that speeded it up
2016-06-03T00:29:42 < Laurenceb_> yeah I was already doing that
2016-06-03T00:30:06 < Laurenceb_> just killing it whilst it was over the swap area, managed 100% copy over all the data areas
2016-06-03T00:30:27 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-06-03T00:32:45 < upgrdman> hmmm, multiplying all four elements of a quaternion by a scaler will have no effect right?
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2016-06-03T00:33:59 < Laurenceb_> ok recreating partition table with fdisk
2016-06-03T00:34:27 < Laurenceb_> for ntfs is "ntfs volume set" correct?
2016-06-03T00:34:36 < Laurenceb_> type 86 in fdisk
2016-06-03T00:34:43 < Sync> ohsix: I like how the landing zones are DLC coated so that the head can safely crash there
2016-06-03T00:34:55 < Laurenceb_> oh ok
2016-06-03T00:35:15 < Laurenceb_> what should I o to fix the signiature?
2016-06-03T00:35:22 < Laurenceb_> I can't spell lol
2016-06-03T00:36:44 < Laurenceb_> ok I'll just tryo to boot it then :D
2016-06-03T00:37:00 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B2GcdpJiNGfKNFNVcHNuZlB0UTA&usp=sharing which one for gearbox?
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2016-06-03T00:37:37 < Laurenceb_> well I gave up on trying to copy the swap
2016-06-03T00:38:27 < Laurenceb_> if I run ddrescue with the logfile it doesnt try to access the old disc until it reaches the swap
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2016-06-03T00:38:40 < Laurenceb_> every with  -r 1 enabled
2016-06-03T00:38:44 < Laurenceb_> *even
2016-06-03T00:39:06 < Laurenceb_> so I presume that means it got the data, as there are no errors showing
2016-06-03T00:39:38 < kakimir> ohsix: with tractors you basically throw 20litres in or something
2016-06-03T00:40:07 < Laurenceb_> ah ok
2016-06-03T00:40:26 < Laurenceb_> I think I'll skip it as the old drive is annoying to access
2016-06-03T00:40:50 < Laurenceb_> there was some bands of glitchyness where access is slow in the data, so generating an md5sum would be hard
2016-06-03T00:40:50 < kakimir> some oil spaces are smaller just few litres and some take like closer to hundred than fifty
2016-06-03T00:40:56 < kakimir> litres
2016-06-03T00:42:13 < kakimir> main hydraulic tank + transmissions + backdiff is that hundred litre stuff
2016-06-03T00:42:39 < kakimir> and it's not euro per litre.. not two.. not four
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2016-06-03T00:43:16 < kakimir> I think it's like six euros per litre or something
2016-06-03T00:44:54 < Sync> well, it is gear oil, it is one of the most highly alloyed oils there is
2016-06-03T00:47:51 < kakimir> I wonder could there be like mechanical / electrical device to measure condition of hudraulic/transmission oil
2016-06-03T00:47:57 < kakimir> or combination
2016-06-03T00:48:12 < kakimir> how much it has worn
2016-06-03T00:48:26 < Sync> there are such things.
2016-06-03T00:48:56 < kakimir> such device that could be integrated in end application
2016-06-03T00:49:14 < Sync> look under your aude
2016-06-03T00:49:27 < kakimir> there is some shitte with wires to bottom
2016-06-03T00:50:03 < kakimir> it never says that oil is shitte thought
2016-06-03T00:50:09 < kakimir> *though
2016-06-03T00:50:41 < kakimir> just amount and pressure
2016-06-03T00:50:48 < Sync> no
2016-06-03T00:50:50 < Sync> temperature
2016-06-03T00:50:55 < Sync> pressure comes from somewhere else
2016-06-03T00:51:01 < kakimir> and that
2016-06-03T00:51:19 < Sync> merc uses direct oil quality sensors
2016-06-03T00:51:40 < Sync> vag uses a function of engine rpm, temperature and load factor to determine oil quality
2016-06-03T00:52:23 < kakimir> oh
2016-06-03T00:52:29 < Laurenceb_> kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block
2016-06-03T00:52:30 < kakimir> should it mention about it?
2016-06-03T00:52:34 < Laurenceb_> nice
2016-06-03T00:52:57 < kakimir> does it require heavy abuse to lite up such alert?
2016-06-03T00:53:19 < Laurenceb_> probably
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2016-06-03T00:59:29 < kakimir> oh sweet
2016-06-03T00:59:43 < kakimir> I need this bitz http://www.ebay.com/itm/VW-Audi-Porsche-16mm-Drain-Plug-Tool-XZN-2567-3357-/200551974564
2016-06-03T01:00:10 < kakimir> I already got one for seats
2016-06-03T01:00:15 < kakimir> smaller one
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2016-06-03T01:02:09 < Sync> no kakimir
2016-06-03T01:02:10 < Laurenceb_> I'm going to have to fix the partition table
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2016-06-03T01:02:20 < Sync> your individual service intervall will just go down
2016-06-03T01:02:32 < Sync> if you are using fixed interval, it will not tell you anything
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2016-06-03T01:03:44 < kakimir> I don't know anything but fixed interval
2016-06-03T01:03:54 < kakimir> just 15k and change
2016-06-03T01:05:55 < kakimir> sure there is some long life compatible engine but I bet you can not utilize those features without some workshop diagnostic unit?
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2016-06-03T01:06:53 < kakimir> http://imgur.com/gallery/YegLM rugged russian led
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2016-06-03T01:15:53 < kakimir> So actually GL5 can be bad and GL4 something what is required for specific gearbod
2016-06-03T01:15:56 < kakimir> box
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2016-06-03T01:16:24 < Sync> you can kakimir
2016-06-03T01:16:32 < Sync> you can just set your interval mode in the menu
2016-06-03T01:17:18 < kakimir> I don't touch that whiz
2016-06-03T01:17:28 < kakimir> I have had service light on for 50k
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2016-06-03T01:21:38 < kakimir> the audi probe pirate requires winxp
2016-06-03T01:23:13 < kakimir> I need to check from internets if I could play that light off with those 3 buttons gauge panel have
2016-06-03T01:24:45 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37qTUTCVRvM it has even button for it!
2016-06-03T01:24:53 < kakimir> super easy
2016-06-03T01:29:00 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzYA34zDmTs musics fresh
2016-06-03T01:30:44 < englishman> whats super high precision to you
2016-06-03T01:31:06 < englishman> 60-2 ?
2016-06-03T01:31:42 < englishman> kakimir: whats audi probe pilot?
2016-06-03T01:31:51 < englishman> when i did this crap vag-com was like the only thing out there
2016-06-03T01:31:54 < kakimir> *pirate
2016-06-03T01:31:59 < kakimir> that crap
2016-06-03T01:32:08 < kakimir> and old one
2016-06-03T01:32:14 < kakimir> not the new one
2016-06-03T01:32:21 < englishman> yes but whats the new one
2016-06-03T01:32:21 < englishman> ?
2016-06-03T01:32:33 < englishman> i have a volvo factory diag tool always thought about getting a vag-com
2016-06-03T01:32:51 < Sync> doit
2016-06-03T01:33:14 < englishman> well i only have a mk4, cant do much with it like change how the key works etc
2016-06-03T01:33:25 < kakimir> it has CAN and programs changes name and is actually not 10years old
2016-06-03T01:33:32 < englishman> think i could only turn the lock horn off and make it so one button unlocked all doors
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2016-06-03T01:36:00 < kakimir> printed plastic wheel?
2016-06-03T01:36:07 < kakimir> like in printers?
2016-06-03T01:36:15 < kakimir> multiple tracks?
2016-06-03T01:36:36 < kakimir> yes
2016-06-03T01:38:24 < Sync> englishman: get a kess
2016-06-03T01:38:53 < kakimir> better not to have to have car than have to have car
2016-06-03T01:39:01 < englishman> isnt shiberu 36-2 like most jap wheels
2016-06-03T01:39:05 < kakimir> or just have car for fun
2016-06-03T01:39:16 < englishman> Sync: got a link? looks like theres a couple products
2016-06-03T01:39:30 < kakimir> because have to have car is not usually fun car
2016-06-03T01:39:41 < kakimir> nite>
2016-06-03T01:40:17 < englishman> http://www.kessv2-alientech.com/en/ ?
2016-06-03T01:41:37 < Sync> http://www.obd2tuning.com/kess-v2-215-clone-ksuite-215-kess-4036-unlimited-tokens-p-2540.html that shit englishman
2016-06-03T01:42:13 < englishman> Please Do remember disconnect internet when you use this tool.
2016-06-03T01:42:14 < englishman> lel
2016-06-03T01:42:32 < Sync> yeah, pro clonez
2016-06-03T01:42:37 < englishman> is it really almost every car/truck/tractor?
2016-06-03T01:42:39 < englishman> or vag only?
2016-06-03T01:42:47 < Sync> it can read most common ecu firmwarez
2016-06-03T01:42:52 < englishman> wowz
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2016-06-03T01:46:10 < Sync> also notice that they say that it has a reset button for the tokens
2016-06-03T01:46:17 < Sync> they did not even bother to reverse that shit
2016-06-03T01:46:24 < Sync> just added something that patches it
2016-06-03T01:46:39 < englishman> http://www.obd2tek.com/obd2tuning/
2016-06-03T01:46:42 < englishman> directory listings
2016-06-03T01:46:43 < englishman> root too
2016-06-03T01:46:46 < englishman> with volvo chianshit
2016-06-03T01:46:55 < Sync> noice
2016-06-03T01:47:10 < englishman> doesnt aactually link to elsa tho
2016-06-03T01:47:24 < englishman> well im glad to see nothing has changed in 10y
2016-06-03T01:47:31 < englishman> still pirated elsa + factory tools are best tools
2016-06-03T01:48:02 < englishman> how thorough is this software?
2016-06-03T01:48:08 < englishman> like is it simple for a tech as vag-com?
2016-06-03T01:48:13 < englishman> it'
2016-06-03T01:48:20 < englishman> s unclear from kess's own page what it does exactly
2016-06-03T01:48:30 < englishman> besides being a 'final solution
2016-06-03T01:48:39 < englishman> ' which is a great selling point if i do say so myself
2016-06-03T01:49:34 < englishman> it reads entire flash?? and takes hours?
2016-06-03T01:49:34 < englishman> wow
2016-06-03T01:49:38 < Sync> yes
2016-06-03T01:49:50 < englishman> wow this realyl would have been useful for me 10 yers ago
2016-06-03T01:49:51 < englishman> .
2016-06-03T01:49:54 < Sync> you can basically do pro codes patching by poking at the binary
2016-06-03T01:50:08 < englishman> we had to ship ecu off to some hax0r that wired flash shit into the ecm
2016-06-03T01:50:20 < englishman> when making this 800awhp a4
2016-06-03T01:50:58 < Sync> he used a kess.
2016-06-03T01:51:10 < englishman> even like ~2005?
2016-06-03T01:51:23 < englishman> then you have to modify binaries?
2016-06-03T01:51:28 < englishman> so its not a vag-com lol
2016-06-03T01:52:09 < Sync> englishman: yes
2016-06-03T01:53:17 < englishman> so i have a binary dump, what then? im not going to go change random bits on a customer's car and see what happens
2016-06-03T01:53:20 < englishman> what's out there to work with?
2016-06-03T01:54:07 < Sync> there comes stuff with it englishman
2016-06-03T01:54:19 < Sync> usually you use tunerbro and the translation files to fiddle with the maps
2016-06-03T01:55:44 < englishman> http://www.tunerpro.net/downloadBinDefs.htm
2016-06-03T01:55:52 < englishman> this is only ancient motronic stuff?
2016-06-03T01:57:28 < Sync> it depends
2016-06-03T01:58:15 < Sync> there is a reason why IDA has infineon tricore support ;)
2016-06-03T01:58:26 < englishman> http://www.freetuningfiles.com/free-tuning-software/download-vag-edc15-suite-ecu-edit-software/
2016-06-03T01:58:32 < englishman> damn, this is like cell phone unlock codes
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2016-06-03T01:59:21 < Sync> a shitload of cars
2016-06-03T01:59:27 < englishman> i still cant reflash my broken vnt boost controller ;'(
2016-06-03T01:59:39 < Sync> wat u do
2016-06-03T01:59:49 < englishman> no, the diaphragm is sticky
2016-06-03T01:59:56 < englishman> so i only get boost after like ~8s
2016-06-03T02:00:00 < englishman> and it goes into limp
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2016-06-03T02:02:04 < Sync> ohsix: bosch only uses them
2016-06-03T02:02:41 < Sync> so anything with bosch edc or dme or shits
2016-06-03T02:03:27 < englishman> so everything that matters
2016-06-03T02:03:42 < englishman> well thanks Sync
2016-06-03T02:03:46 < englishman> do you work for a mfg?
2016-06-03T02:03:57 < Sync> neg
2016-06-03T02:04:26 < Sync> lel, all the china cloned software has backdoors in it (not suprising)
2016-06-03T02:07:09 < englishman> what other tools are out there besides ruiningpro?
2016-06-03T02:07:28 < Sync> just generic backdoors
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2016-06-03T02:07:42 < englishman> please to be for disconnecting internets when the using
2016-06-03T02:07:57 < Sync> > clonersupport
2016-06-03T02:07:59 < Sync> pls.
2016-06-03T02:08:36 < Sync> englishman: nothing really, unfortunately
2016-06-03T02:08:43 < Sync> but it is pretty legit shits
2016-06-03T02:09:13 < englishman> yes dicking with it now
2016-06-03T02:09:35 < englishman> do you have a bin handy you could send me? so i can dick
2016-06-03T02:13:08 < Sync> ohsix: delphi
2016-06-03T02:13:28 < Sync> which is asscancer
2016-06-03T02:17:48 < englishman> sync do you make .xdf or clone them?
2016-06-03T02:18:25 < Sync> I did both
2016-06-03T02:18:48 < Sync> although I'm now developing my own ecu, because of teh cancers
2016-06-03T02:19:44 < englishman> using stm32 i hope
2016-06-03T02:19:50 < englishman> for ontopic
2016-06-03T02:20:17 < Sync> yes
2016-06-03T02:20:29 < Sync> 2 stms actually
2016-06-03T02:20:42 < englishman> interesting
2016-06-03T02:21:01 < Sync> one for crank angle tracking and one for calcs
2016-06-03T02:21:08 < Sync> completely overpowered
2016-06-03T02:21:13 < Sync> one f3/f4 can do both
2016-06-03T02:21:28 < Sync> but I don't want to spend brainpower on efficient codes
2016-06-03T02:22:43 < englishman> or annoying preemptions
2016-06-03T02:24:27 < Sync> yeah
2016-06-03T02:24:32 < Sync> they want to get their sales up
2016-06-03T02:24:40 < Sync> and get rid of all the shits
2016-06-03T02:25:23 < englishman> maybe shouldnt put winxp on their logic analuzers then
2016-06-03T02:26:59 < englishman> whats pumping m8
2016-06-03T02:28:58 < Sync> I'd need to do some roadtesting for my yoloesp but that would probably be stupid to do :/
2016-06-03T02:30:20 < englishman> diy traction control?
2016-06-03T02:30:24 < englishman> yolo is correct
2016-06-03T02:31:19 < Sync> not traction, but mostly abs and stability
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2016-06-03T03:56:31 < ReadError> ohsix the esc communicate over CAN
2016-06-03T03:56:43 < ReadError> traction control limits the rpm diff between motors
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2016-06-03T04:36:25 < dongs> sup dongs
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2016-06-03T05:43:59 < englishman> opensores drama https://owncloud.com/owncloud-statement-concerning-formation-nextcloud-frank-karlitschek/
2016-06-03T05:44:38 < ReadError> https://syncthing.net/
2016-06-03T05:44:40 < ReadError> much nicer
2016-06-03T05:46:43 < englishman> a zip disk and portable usb reader is better than owncloud
2016-06-03T05:47:25 < ReadError> owncloud is garbage yes
2016-06-03T05:47:29 < ReadError> waste of time
2016-06-03T05:47:51 < englishman> syncthing works with synotrash?
2016-06-03T05:48:11 < ReadError> you can set it up a few diff ways
2016-06-03T05:48:19 < ReadError> using a desktop and network map
2016-06-03T05:48:23 < ReadError> or try a native install
2016-06-03T05:48:51 < ReadError> https://github.com/jedie/syncthing/wiki/Syncthing-in-Synology-DSM
2016-06-03T05:49:38 < englishman> perfect
2016-06-03T05:49:53 < englishman> synothings own apps are pretty tame
2016-06-03T05:50:04 < ReadError> if you tinfoil german you can do own relay, but meh
2016-06-03T06:09:19 < aandrew> oh who else is using syncthing
2016-06-03T06:09:24 < aandrew> it's more than just me?
2016-06-03T06:09:43 < aandrew> syncthing is fucking awesome
2016-06-03T06:12:49 < ReadError> ya
2016-06-03T06:12:57 < ReadError> way better than shitcloud
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2016-06-03T06:58:09 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/ODVF9i0.jpg
2016-06-03T06:58:13 < ReadError> any idea wtf this is?
2016-06-03T06:58:22 < ReadError> cant find much for ST 293a33
2016-06-03T06:59:17 < ReadError> LM2931AD33
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2016-06-03T07:05:52 < fenugrec> brushless ESC ?
2016-06-03T07:05:59 < ReadError> yes
2016-06-03T07:06:07 < ReadError> makes sense, 2 LDO
2016-06-03T07:06:11 < ReadError> 3.3 and 12
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2016-06-03T07:13:32 < ReadError> i already found the datasheet
2016-06-03T07:13:41 < ReadError> its just an odd LDO package so it didnt come to mind first
2016-06-03T07:14:02 < ReadError> because im working and dont want to turn on the psu and walk to the dmm
2016-06-03T07:18:14 < PeterM> ReadError, didnt the 33 give it away?
2016-06-03T07:18:26 < ReadError> no im 3/4 fried still
2016-06-03T07:18:39 < ReadError> it takes me a good 5-6hrs to wake up ;(
2016-06-03T07:19:31 < PeterM> have a redbull, go for a sprint around the block and have a gatorade when you get back, you'll be fine
2016-06-03T07:20:14 < ReadError> bitch dab
2016-06-03T07:20:22 < ReadError> nobody does flowers anymore
2016-06-03T07:22:13 < PeterM> i think the mosfet drivers are http://www.monolithicpower.com/DesktopModules/DocumentManage/API/Document/GetDocument?id=1033
2016-06-03T07:23:58 < ReadError> thought NCP
2016-06-03T07:24:31 < upgrdman> whats the phrase for making a magnetometer work when its located near some metal?
2016-06-03T07:24:43 < upgrdman> something compensation or someshit
2016-06-03T07:25:31 < ReadError> hmm maybe im thinking of something else
2016-06-03T07:25:38 < PeterM> nah, im pretty sure its that mps one, the package marking matches
2016-06-03T07:26:57 < ReadError> PeterM ah yea
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2016-06-03T07:37:14 < upgrdman> i understood some of those words
2016-06-03T07:37:33 < upgrdman> i guess i know what i'll be reading about while sitting on a plane for 14 hours
2016-06-03T07:38:11 < upgrdman> i have dicklab and octave
2016-06-03T07:38:17 < upgrdman> but i dont know how to use either :)
2016-06-03T07:38:46 < upgrdman> lol
2016-06-03T07:39:29 < upgrdman> mathematica language == wolfram?
2016-06-03T07:39:52 < upgrdman> bbl
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2016-06-03T08:09:25 < dongs> < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/ODVF9i0.jpg
2016-06-03T08:09:27 < dongs> retard cloner
2016-06-03T08:09:28 < dongs> lol.
2016-06-03T08:09:31 < dongs> you should kill yourself
2016-06-03T08:09:58 < ReadError> alright ill consider that, thanks
2016-06-03T08:10:01 < dongs> np
2016-06-03T08:10:06 < dongs> maybe toghter with ohsix
2016-06-03T08:10:32 < dongs> wonder why china cant solder in 2016
2016-06-03T08:10:49 < dongs> or place components evenly on a pcb
2016-06-03T08:11:08 < dongs> yeah, really. i mean, even my shitty machine doesn't fucking place parts at an angle like that
2016-06-03T08:11:14 < dongs> and if it does they reflow into it anyway
2016-06-03T08:11:24 < dongs> how the fuck do you make shit crooked and KEEP it crooked through reflow
2016-06-03T08:11:26 < dongs> takes special skill
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2016-06-03T08:21:28 < qyx> whats the correct sequence to read a 16 bit register over i2c?
2016-06-03T08:21:29 < qyx> http://openpaste.org/cdB17160
2016-06-03T08:21:43 < qyx> this isn't working, it stays looping in the last while ()
2016-06-03T08:22:16 < dongs> generally, Start, addr, subbaddr8, subaddr16, RepeatStart, addr+read, read(n), stop
2016-06-03T08:22:42 < dongs> what is "reg" in your case?
2016-06-03T08:22:56 < qyx> the register address
2016-06-03T08:23:01 < dongs> 16bits?
2016-06-03T08:23:01 < qyx> thats your subaddr
2016-06-03T08:23:04 < qyx> no, 8 bit
2016-06-03T08:23:23 < dongs> oh, subaddress is 8 bit but register is 16bit wide?
2016-06-03T08:23:28 < qyx> yep
2016-06-03T08:23:42 < dongs> so uh.. stm has some extra trash for stop-before-last-byte or osmething
2016-06-03T08:23:46 < dongs> so you probly have to handle that
2016-06-03T08:23:46 < qyx> I tried to call stop after reading 2 bytes
2016-06-03T08:23:56 < dongs> no, you have to do last read saying next one will be stop
2016-06-03T08:24:09 < qyx> I have read that somewhere, thats because I moved the stop between the two reads
2016-06-03T08:24:27 < qyx> they are writing something about setting the ACK bit to acknowledge the first byte
2016-06-03T08:24:41 < dongs> i suggest just ripping working i2c code from tarduino or something
2016-06-03T08:24:50 < dongs> absolutely no sense reinventing the wheel especially wiht all the i2c bugs
2016-06-03T08:24:56 < dongs> let someone else solve that problem for you
2016-06-03T08:25:37 < qyx> should find something then
2016-06-03T08:25:46 < dongs> which Fx?
2016-06-03T08:26:13 < dongs> even libopencm3 should have somewhat working polling i2c on all platforms
2016-06-03T08:26:17 < dongs> should be a good start
2016-06-03T08:26:36 < dongs> so one byte reads work?
2016-06-03T08:27:21 < qyx> yes, I copied something from F429 disco touchscreen example, it works for 8bit registers
2016-06-03T08:27:27 < qyx> F401
2016-06-03T08:27:39 < qyx> no officil example for F4 though
2016-06-03T08:27:44 < dongs> check F4-disco cirrus config
2016-06-03T08:27:52 < dongs> i think they have long reads/writes
2016-06-03T08:28:25 < qyx> acually there is a routine for long reads for F3, i'll check
2016-06-03T08:30:24 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/TAUAlK38.html
2016-06-03T08:30:26 < dongs> from stdperiphlib aids
2016-06-03T08:30:44 < dongs> pollin, should be g2g
2016-06-03T08:31:34 < dongs> looks like you need to do stop before BOTH reads
2016-06-03T08:32:09 < dongs> also disable ack / set nack pos
2016-06-03T08:32:11 < dongs> i dont see you doing that
2016-06-03T08:32:33 < dongs> anyway, they have both 8 and 16bit reads in stm324x9i_eval_ioe16.c inside f4stdperiphlib
2016-06-03T08:33:13 < dongs> generally for I2c I prefer having a writebuffer/readbuffer function that handles any length and then i can write specific helpers to do single/multiple byte reads/writes using same core function
2016-06-03T08:33:28 < dongs> less bugs to deal wiht
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2016-06-03T09:24:49 < ReadError> oshboards are pretty nasty after using legit shit
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2016-06-03T09:33:21 < ReadError> im most awake like 3 hours before I goto sleep
2016-06-03T09:34:45 < ReadError> nah its not that
2016-06-03T09:34:50 < ReadError> ive always had fucky sleep
2016-06-03T09:34:57 < ReadError> since i was young
2016-06-03T09:35:04 < ReadError> always biased towards late night late morning
2016-06-03T09:35:33 < ReadError> oh ya i got the ADD too
2016-06-03T09:35:39 < ReadError> and insomnia
2016-06-03T09:35:42 < ReadError> its kewl
2016-06-03T09:36:23 < ReadError> i just dont go to bed until i know ill fall asleep within a minute or 2 of laying down
2016-06-03T09:36:32 < ReadError> waste otherwise
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2016-06-03T09:41:35 < dongs> binaural beats on assdroid, 'sleep induction' mode or someshit knocks me out cold in 15 mins or less
2016-06-03T09:41:52 < dongs> i think it has some autism modes too
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2016-06-03T09:41:54 < dongs> ohsix should try it out
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2016-06-03T10:10:30 < dongs> on hold while I deal with this aids
2016-06-03T10:11:13 < dongs> i need to hire someone to count parts so I dont haev to deal with it
2016-06-03T10:11:23 < dongs> but then they'd be dumb and have more problems than help
2016-06-03T10:12:31 < qyx> dongs: finally works
2016-06-03T10:12:38 < dongs> qyx, cool
2016-06-03T10:12:41 < dongs> copied shit from that bcas?
2016-06-03T10:12:56 < qyx> no, I did it exactly according to the refman for 2 byte transfers
2016-06-03T10:13:04 < dongs> :D kay
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2016-06-03T10:13:20 < qyx> the copied code didn't work somehow
2016-06-03T10:28:42 < qyx> the bcas code dosables ACK between byte reads, I had to enable ACK to get it working
2016-06-03T10:29:30 < qyx> but didn't look on the scope whats the problem here, it works for now
2016-06-03T10:39:16 < qyx> hm, available on farnell
2016-06-03T10:39:35 < dongs> wat is
2016-06-03T10:40:07 < qyx> nucleo with F746
2016-06-03T10:40:21 < dongs> probly
2016-06-03T10:40:25 < dongs> is  that even interesting
2016-06-03T10:41:36 < ReadError> the nucleo-144 f429 is nice
2016-06-03T10:42:46 < dongs> ya
2016-06-03T10:42:51 < dongs> thats what I got paid $30 on freecancer to recommend
2016-06-03T10:42:58 < dongs> i was like why would you use xmos in 2016
2016-06-03T10:43:05 < dongs> needs like $200 just to get a development environment
2016-06-03T10:44:08 < ReadError> is it new?
2016-06-03T10:44:12 < ReadError> dont see it on tracker
2016-06-03T10:44:16 < dongs> what is
2016-06-03T10:44:20 < dongs> oh, autism
2016-06-03T10:44:48 < dongs> ReadError: plz prefix autism messages with ohsix: and I'll get someone on fiverr to write me a script to auto-remove lines wiht ohsix: in front of them in rissi
2016-06-03T10:45:04 < ReadError> lol
2016-06-03T10:45:22 < dongs> this would solve the problem like 99%
2016-06-03T10:45:43 < ReadError> he says irssi already does that and to kindly, 'rtfm'
2016-06-03T10:45:53 < ReadError> (the script)
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2016-06-03T11:25:02 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Micro-Drone-UAV-Flight-Controller/
2016-06-03T11:25:06 < dongs> lol i bid 100/hr on his previous one
2016-06-03T11:25:10 < dongs> and asshole didnt evne msg me
2016-06-03T11:25:17 < dongs> i guess he failed to find anyone dumb enough
2016-06-03T11:25:18 < dongs> lolo
2016-06-03T11:25:38 < dongs> also why the fuck i need to pay freecancer to bid on that oen
2016-06-03T11:26:09 < dongs> definitely
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2016-06-03T11:27:09 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/Design-Mini-Display-Unit/
2016-06-03T11:27:12 < dongs> budget: $180
2016-06-03T11:27:13 < dongs> wat
2016-06-03T11:27:20 < dongs> fucking pakis
2016-06-03T11:28:11 < dongs> freecancer.com is taken
2016-06-03T11:28:29 < dongs> lol
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2016-06-03T11:30:50 < dongs> i still need to figure out how to monetize cloner.pro
2016-06-03T11:32:30 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/suqnOJ28.html
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2016-06-03T12:30:02 < ReadError> dabhour
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2016-06-03T12:32:22 < ReadError> what looks odd to me is 48fps youtube
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2016-06-03T12:51:38 < Ultrasauce_> i find it weird that that company would be named after a deadly sin
2016-06-03T12:51:50 < dongs> wut
2016-06-03T12:51:55 < dongs> what company?
2016-06-03T12:51:59 < Ultrasauce_> nvidia
2016-06-03T12:52:18 < Ultrasauce_> invidia is latin for envy
2016-06-03T12:52:32 < Ultrasauce_> it's like calling mcdonalds 'gluttony'
2016-06-03T12:52:42 < dongs> shrug
2016-06-03T12:53:24 < dongs> what brought on nvidia comments anyway
2016-06-03T12:53:43 < dongs> is there autism in thechannel?
2016-06-03T12:55:34 < Ultrasauce_> is there ever not
2016-06-03T12:55:43 < dongs> i would hope that shit sleeps sometimes
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2016-06-03T13:19:32 < Steffanx> So did you actually order that hdd ohsix?
2016-06-03T13:19:52 < Steffanx> Awh.
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2016-06-03T13:51:20 < qyx> polyurethane foam?
2016-06-03T13:52:12 < Thorn> this foam? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHfyUOSCrNY
2016-06-03T13:58:45 < dongs> anyone have some ready to copypaste DWT/cycle_cnt based performance macros
2016-06-03T13:58:51 < dongs> i mean i canjust write shit but lazy
2016-06-03T14:00:23 < dongs> https://twitter.com/Revitalize/status/734292331688431617
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2016-06-03T14:06:12 < dongs> http://superuser.com/questions/189007/how-do-you-unbind-specific-windows-explorer-shortcuts holy fuck finally
2016-06-03T14:06:17 < dongs> i can disable Winkey-D
2016-06-03T14:08:24 < Ultrasauce_> why would you disable that
2016-06-03T14:08:33 < Ultrasauce_> that is like the only useful shortcut in windows
2016-06-03T14:08:39 < dongs> fuck right off
2016-06-03T14:08:47 < dongs> try doing that when you have 100 important windows open
2016-06-03T14:08:55 < dongs> ethere's nothign I ever need to see on desktop, ever
2016-06-03T14:08:55 < Ultrasauce_> just do it again
2016-06-03T14:08:57 < Ultrasauce_> and they all come back
2016-06-03T14:09:01 < dongs> not if you had another window popped up
2016-06-03T14:09:07 < dongs> i usually hit it while trying to do win-0r
2016-06-03T14:09:14 < dongs> so it does -d, then brings up run dialog
2016-06-03T14:09:20 < Ultrasauce_> maybe you should use an operating system with a flexible window manager
2016-06-03T14:09:29 < dongs> insta-owned because 2nd win-d will minimize the run dialog only
2016-06-03T14:09:49 < dongs> Ultrasauce_: im happy with windows 10 thank you
2016-06-03T14:10:25 < Ultrasauce_> one day you'll wake up and be like "hey maybe i'll try freebsd today"
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2016-06-03T14:14:31 < qyx> icons on the desktop is the biggest mistake of the modern history
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2016-06-03T14:26:53 < Sync> yeah look at the control loop
2016-06-03T14:29:52 < Ultrasauce_>  /////////////////LOOP/////////////////////
2016-06-03T14:30:16 < dongs> Ultrasauce_: maybe after im dead
2016-06-03T14:31:01 < Ultrasauce_> or bored of trolling feelancer
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2016-06-03T14:34:38 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Project-for-boopom-10678418/ this guy is about to be out of 250gbp
2016-06-03T14:34:46 < dongs> freecancer takes your project fee when you accept
2016-06-03T14:35:00 < dongs> (and its non-refundable if you fail)
2016-06-03T14:35:59 < PeterM> Ultrasauce_, is there such a thing as "an operating system with a flexible window manager"
2016-06-03T14:36:18 < Ultrasauce_> anything's flexible if you beat it enough
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2016-06-03T14:42:11 < dongs> http://www.xtreamer.net/mxv/ what is the purpose of this?
2016-06-03T14:44:59 < BrainDamage> gives you smart tv functionality on a non smart tv
2016-06-03T14:45:14 < BrainDamage> and a bit more control over it
2016-06-03T14:45:26 < dongs> did i miss something that assdroid is on TVs now?
2016-06-03T14:45:44 < dongs> last thing I need is angry birds popup saying there's some new levels available
2016-06-03T14:45:47 < dongs> on a TV
2016-06-03T14:46:13 < BrainDamage> it's like 3 years chinese put assdroids in hdmi dongles to do exactly this
2016-06-03T14:46:52 < karlp> I have an old xtreamer gen 2 or something
2016-06-03T14:46:58 < BrainDamage> eg https://www.dx.com/p/rekon-mk809-ii-dual-core-android-4-1-1-google-tv-player-w-1gb-ram-8gb-rom-tf-hdmi-bluetooth-194927
2016-06-03T14:47:03 < karlp> pretty functional.
2016-06-03T14:47:11 < BrainDamage> 90% of them run kodi
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2016-06-03T14:47:23 < karlp> xtreamer had their own ui wasn'tandroid/kodi at all.
2016-06-03T14:47:29 < karlp> also, fucking hell kodi is lame.
2016-06-03T14:47:34 < dongs> to do what? kodi doesnt do anything functional
2016-06-03T14:48:00 < karlp> I've got a new android box that is meant to upgrade from the xtreamer, and kodi scans shit, and puts up imdb posters and shit, but then fails to browse nfs properly.
2016-06-03T14:48:02 < BrainDamage> i'm not the one that bought them, i don't know what kodi does or doesn't
2016-06-03T14:48:34 < dongs> ..posters what
2016-06-03T14:48:42 < dongs> kodi can *barely* show a file listing
2016-06-03T14:48:53 < dongs> it fails to scroll it correctly half the time
2016-06-03T14:48:58 < dongs> fucking aids
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2016-06-03T14:52:15 < karlp> well, looks like xtreamer is now just plain generic android STBs. it used to be fulyl custom
2016-06-03T14:52:54 < dongs> yeah iuts all aids now
2016-06-03T14:53:00 < dongs> all the sigma based boxes are done
2016-06-03T14:53:08 < dongs> its all faggotdroid, which can barely play any media
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2016-06-03T15:01:08 < bartekww> hey
2016-06-03T15:01:16 < bartekww> i have got usart interrupt
2016-06-03T15:01:25 < bartekww> i want to type on pc "test"
2016-06-03T15:01:38 < bartekww> how to get it using the interrupt?
2016-06-03T15:01:49 < bartekww> not char by char
2016-06-03T15:02:00 < bartekww> but whole string
2016-06-03T15:02:01 < dongs> ask ohsix
2016-06-03T15:02:06 < bartekww> ohsix:
2016-06-03T15:02:08 < dongs> (in privmsg
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2016-06-03T15:09:29 < kakimir> beard balm. gay or kool?
2016-06-03T15:10:32 < kakimir> any functional meaning to it?
2016-06-03T15:11:16 < mra90> hmm why GPIO_MODER_MODER0 is defined as 0x03U and not 0x00U ? What is even more suprrising is GPIO_MODER_MODER1 is set to 0x0CU while it is just 2 bits from MODER0 ?
2016-06-03T15:17:21 < qyx> whats surprising? 0x03 is 00000011 and 0x0C is 00001100, which looks like a mask for exactly what you say
2016-06-03T15:19:01 < mra90> qyx: ohh right thanks ;P
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2016-06-03T15:57:24 < Lux> on the stm32f4 can the ccm memory be used to run code from it ?
2016-06-03T15:59:45 < Lux> in the ref manual they write for the d-bus: The target
2016-06-03T15:59:47 < Lux> of this bus is a memory containing code or data
2016-06-03T16:00:04 < Lux> so I'm guessing it's possible ?
2016-06-03T16:00:30 < Lux> I just remember someone writing you can't do it
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2016-06-03T16:07:50 < Thorn> in f4, ccm is only connected to the d-bus, so no
2016-06-03T16:08:47 < Thorn> in f3, it's connected to both i- and d-buses, therefore you can execute code from it (AN4296)
2016-06-03T16:11:35 < Lux> makes sense, thanks
2016-06-03T16:12:56 < mra90> where in the reference I can find info about address of PINs in i.e GPIOA ?
2016-06-03T16:13:42 < mra90> i.e what is the address of fifth PIN in GPIOA ?
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2016-06-03T16:14:46 < ReadError> refman/datasheet?
2016-06-03T16:15:54 < mra90> yes but I don't see this info
2016-06-03T16:16:05 < mra90> they only show registers
2016-06-03T16:19:13 < Thorn> pin A5 should correspond to bit 5 in GPIOA_ODR, _IDR etc.
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2016-06-03T16:25:49 < mra90> Thorn, in HAL drivers I see such def. "#define GPIO_PIN_5 ((uint16_t)0x0020U)
2016-06-03T16:25:49 < mra90> ", I wonder how/where I can check that this PIN actually has such address
2016-06-03T16:25:57 < mra90> in case of register it;s easy
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2016-06-03T16:29:25 < mitrax> mra90: that's not the "pin address" but a mask with the bit number for the pin, 0x20 = 0b100000 i.e bit 5, the HAL function takes the GPIO port register address and a mask corresponding to the pin you want to write / read
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2016-06-03T16:29:53 < dongs> https://imgur.com/gallery/9i0T1 japan
2016-06-03T16:31:19 < ReadError> oh Laurenceb spotted
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2016-06-03T16:33:32 < mra90> mitrax: ok thanks
2016-06-03T16:34:52 < mra90> mitrax:but how they know that between PIN2 and PIN3 there is 4U difference while between 1 and 2 only 1u ?
2016-06-03T16:35:13 < mra90> GPIO_PIN_2 = 0x0004U; GPIO_PIN_3 = 0x0008U;
2016-06-03T16:35:32 < mitrax> mra90: you need to learn about binary...
2016-06-03T16:35:34 < ReadError> bru
2016-06-03T16:35:39 < ReadError> 4... 8
2016-06-03T16:35:47 < ReadError> mitrax showed u a few lines above
2016-06-03T16:36:52 < mra90> mitrax: ahh ok they are just next to each other in binary, sorry for such stupid question ;)
2016-06-03T16:37:00 < dongs> mra90: what the fuck?
2016-06-03T16:37:21 < mra90> dongs: yep I fucked up for a moment
2016-06-03T16:37:42 < ReadError> stoning mistake, happens
2016-06-03T16:37:58 < Thorn> http://rextester.com/AERB6143
2016-06-03T16:38:46 < dongs> wat
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2016-06-03T16:38:57 < dongs> you invoked 300megs of C++ libs to test out a bitshift?
2016-06-03T16:39:40 < Thorn> and a horribly complicated compiler too
2016-06-03T16:39:47 < Thorn> so not 1959
2016-06-03T16:43:58 < Thorn> oh and btw lol http://rextester.com/RJFLJ12984
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2016-06-03T16:51:43 < qyx> dongs: wat are they doing?
2016-06-03T16:52:17 < dongs> who?
2016-06-03T16:52:21 < dongs> japs?
2016-06-03T16:52:28 < qyx> yes
2016-06-03T16:52:28 < dongs> youve never owned a cockroach trap like that?
2016-06-03T16:52:36 < dongs> its like gluey shit that roaches get stuck on
2016-06-03T16:53:11 < qyx> of course, but as far as I am able to recognize, they are not cockroaches
2016-06-03T16:53:23 < dongs> well, thats the japan part
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2016-06-03T17:14:06 < dongs> ahaha
2016-06-03T17:14:11 < dongs> the touch kernel guys account is closed again
2016-06-03T17:14:15 < dongs> i geuss its not him closing it
2016-06-03T17:14:19 < dongs> but feelancer banning him
2016-06-03T17:14:23 < dongs> for spamming his retarded project
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2016-06-03T17:18:59 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/build-portable-levitation-device-URGENT/
2016-06-03T17:19:03 < dongs> haha
2016-06-03T17:19:05 < dongs> urgent
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2016-06-03T17:25:48 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwpQTe1l0fc http://www.addictedtoaudio.com.au/product/final-audio-design-daruma-san-audio-insulator
2016-06-03T17:27:14 < englishman> better yet, the difference between GPIO14 and GPIO15, its like just over 16,000, so random
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2016-06-03T17:28:13 < englishman> GPIO15 = GPIO14 + 16384
2016-06-03T17:28:18 < englishman> who comes up with this stuff
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2016-06-03T17:30:06 < Thorn> http://www.addictedtoaudio.com.au/product/gigawatt-pf-2-mk3-ac-power-filter-strip
2016-06-03T17:30:08 < dongs> Thorn: shoulda saved that link for emeb
2016-06-03T17:30:48 < faaw> if i cannot afford keil or iar, does stm32 support free arm-gcc using cubemx?
2016-06-03T17:31:22 < Thorn> free arm gcc supports stm32
2016-06-03T17:31:34 < englishman> what are you planning on doing? keil is free for all <32k link size and all f0
2016-06-03T17:31:58 < faaw> when i use cubemx to auto-generate code, does it generate project code for armgcc?
2016-06-03T17:32:02 < dongs> faaw: you can generate ide4stm32 or wahtever code with cubemx and tehres a script to convert it into makefiles for gcc
2016-06-03T17:32:17 < englishman> theres some way to get a makefile generated from cube export but its opensores hackery and you will basically be writing your own makefile
2016-06-03T17:32:29 < dongs> faaw: http://wiki.sgmk-ssam.ch/wiki/STM32_dev#STM32CubeMX_to_Makefile
2016-06-03T17:33:02 < englishman> the cube hal libs seem to compile fine in gcc tho, it detects compiler and makes changes appropriately
2016-06-03T17:33:02 < emeb> what link?
2016-06-03T17:33:09 < emeb> the power filter - wtf?
2016-06-03T17:33:13 < dongs> emeb: < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwpQTe1l0fc http://www.addictedtoaudio.com.au/product/final-audio-design-daruma-san-audio-insulator
2016-06-03T17:33:40 < emeb> #audiophool
2016-06-03T17:33:40 < Cicero-MF> I use that SW4STM32, its pretty bad, but not unworkable http://www.openstm32.org/HomePage
2016-06-03T17:34:22 < englishman> isnt sw4stm abandonware?
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2016-06-03T17:34:36 < englishman> i tried to download it once this year and all the links were from ~2011
2016-06-03T17:36:27 < Cicero-MF> Nah, its still maintained to a decent extent
2016-06-03T17:36:32 < Cicero-MF> Latest Windows 7 64 bit installer (Version v1.8, updated on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 at 16:25:43 CEST)
2016-06-03T17:36:43 < Cicero-MF> Latest Linux 64 bit installer (Version v1.8, updated on Tuesday, May 3, 2016 at 18:24:25 CEST)
2016-06-03T17:36:45 < dongs> huh
2016-06-03T17:36:47 < englishman> hmm neat
2016-06-03T17:37:54 < karlp> faaw: you can just use netbeans too: http://false.ekta.is/2016/01/using-netbeans-for-stm32-development-with-openocd/
2016-06-03T17:38:10 < dongs> yeah but why would you WANT to use netbeans
2016-06-03T17:38:34 < Cicero-MF> haha
2016-06-03T17:40:46 < karlp> not eclipse?
2016-06-03T17:40:56 < karlp> all the other good stuff.
2016-06-03T17:41:40 < Cicero-MF> sw4stm32 uses eclipse
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2016-06-03T17:43:42 < Sync> oh btw karlp, reading your article on the zhone rounter
2016-06-03T17:43:52 < Sync> customers now are allowed to run their own hardware here in germany
2016-06-03T17:44:00 < Sync> which fucks up providers massively
2016-06-03T17:44:23 < Sync> because now they can't really use DOCSIS properly on cable anymore
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2016-06-03T17:51:37 < ReadError> been able to do that in america but they can still trace you down
2016-06-03T17:51:41 < ReadError> or get pretty close
2016-06-03T17:51:51 < ReadError> if you are using a stolen/modified config
2016-06-03T17:56:17 < Sync> yeah I know some guys who used to run a few cable modems for them torrentz
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2016-06-03T18:12:11 < willmore> SBC popularity questionare (not sure who's running it): https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/6DW7XC5
2016-06-03T18:15:20 < karlp> Sync: you're allowed to run your own here too.
2016-06-03T18:15:41 < karlp> it's not mentioned a lot by the providers, but they're happy to help get you online.
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2016-06-03T18:19:49 < dongs> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/neptune-suite-one-hub-infinite-possibilities#/updates
2016-06-03T18:19:52 < dongs> haha
2016-06-03T18:19:56 < dongs> product supposed to ship in a month
2016-06-03T18:20:02 < dongs> "do you want wireless charging or not"
2016-06-03T18:20:25 < qyx> willmore: it is in the heaer
2016-06-03T18:20:27 < qyx> header
2016-06-03T18:21:29 < qyx> wat, no discovery boards
2016-06-03T18:21:29 < dongs> lunix.com still existS?
2016-06-03T18:21:38 < dongs> wonder who owns it now
2016-06-03T18:21:39 < qyx> just linux things
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2016-06-03T18:28:27 < willmore> qyx, Sorry, my add blocker must have nuked that. Thanks.
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2016-06-03T19:03:53 < dongs> http://www.ziuaconstanta.ro/diverse/stiri-calde/accident-cu-victime-pe-aurel-vlaicu-una-dintre-masini-rupta-in-doua-galerie-foto-595359.html?imagini=1#scroll lol BMW vs mazda
2016-06-03T19:04:00 < dongs> also RIP jadew
2016-06-03T19:04:04 < upgrdman> anyone know how the torque of a DC brushed motor varies with PWM voltage applied to the motor? just eye balling, it looks like maybe torque is volts^2 ?? or for smooth torque, pwm should increase like a sqrt() curve?
2016-06-03T19:05:02 < dongs> upgrdman: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a577582.pdf 1st link bro do you even g oogle
2016-06-03T19:05:06 < upgrdman> dongs, have you seen r2cum recently? i never see him anymore
2016-06-03T19:05:14 < dongs> he was here few hours ago
2016-06-03T19:05:19 < Sync> dongs: the mazda must have been in a shitty repair
2016-06-03T19:05:28 < dongs> but i think ohsix disgusts him so he ragequits early
2016-06-03T19:05:33 < dongs> sync, in what sense
2016-06-03T19:05:53 < Sync> even a mazda does not just tear off after the b pillar
2016-06-03T19:06:08 < Sync> the car was rearended earlier and they made one from 2
2016-06-03T19:06:08 < dongs> so you mean it was some shitty cut up car that wasnt welded correctly?
2016-06-03T19:06:14 < dongs> ah k
2016-06-03T19:07:05 < Sync> look at picture 1
2016-06-03T19:07:11 < Sync> the front half completely tore away
2016-06-03T19:07:33 < dongs> yah
2016-06-03T19:08:03 < Sync> and look at the picture from later where you see the drivers compartment
2016-06-03T19:08:18 < Sync> where you see body filler where the bpillar attaches
2016-06-03T19:09:07 < upgrdman> dongs, that pdf doesnt seem to show anything about *voltage* versus torque
2016-06-03T19:09:14 < dongs> pssh :D
2016-06-03T19:09:28 < upgrdman> i already knew that torque was propotonal to current, but how the fuck does current varry with voltage in these motors
2016-06-03T19:09:33 < Sync> upgrdman: that is because *voltage* has nothint to do with *torque*
2016-06-03T19:09:50 < Sync> look at the motor equation
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2016-06-03T19:11:58 < Sync> you basically need current control or speed feedback to control torque
2016-06-03T19:12:24 < upgrdman> hmm k
2016-06-03T19:12:28 < Sync> as with speed feedback you know Uemf and thus know the voltage that contributes to the torque
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2016-06-03T19:21:46 < dongs> http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2016/06/01/japan-tourist-boom-give-rise-to-tokyo-sex-service-targeting-foreigners/ attn upgrdman
2016-06-03T19:21:53 < dongs> cancel your chink visit, go to tokyo instead
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2016-06-03T19:23:36 < upgrdman> lol
2016-06-03T19:24:34 < upgrdman> i would kinda like to visit japan one day.
2016-06-03T19:24:55 < dongs> http://hentaitokyo.com/price.html#price
2016-06-03T19:24:56 < dongs> oh
2016-06-03T19:25:09 < dongs> 1 shot, lol
2016-06-03T19:25:52 < upgrdman> shot == money shot?
2016-06-03T19:27:15 < Ultrasauce_> i love how they use the word "delivery" for outcalls
2016-06-03T19:27:16 < dongs> haha take home panty
2016-06-03T19:27:18 < dongs> just scrolled down
2016-06-03T19:27:24 < dongs> Ultrasauce_: its actually a thing
2016-06-03T19:27:30 < dongs> there's shit called "delivery health"
2016-06-03T19:27:48 < dongs> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delivery_health
2016-06-03T19:28:06 < dongs> you cal up a number and chick shows up at your location to do whatever
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2016-06-03T19:29:21 < upgrdman> so is this legal in .jp or is it like elsewhere where you pay for their "time"
2016-06-03T19:29:29 < upgrdman> i thought .jp was super conservative
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2016-06-03T19:32:12 < dongs> upgrdman: legal as long as there's no promise of penetration
2016-06-03T19:32:22 < upgrdman> lol
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2016-06-03T19:34:24 < dongs> When ordering an escort in Japan, all you have to do is quote your hotel / home address to the operator, as well as the escorts name and play time. A contactable mobile phone or hotel room number will be required to confirm your booking depending on the agency. If on transit at Narita or Haneda airport, please don't hesitate in ordering an escort as they can delivery to these areas with ease.
2016-06-03T19:34:30 < dongs> hahaha
2016-06-03T19:34:32 < dongs> airport "delivery"
2016-06-03T19:35:02 < Sync> only in .jp
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2016-06-03T19:35:44 < englishman> f1 is in montreal next weekend
2016-06-03T19:35:50 < englishman> they truck in whores from thousands of miles away
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2016-06-03T19:39:36 < Sync> yeah, hilarious
2016-06-03T19:40:38 < dongs> Did you know? Historically the only apple products that have sold well can fit into the user's ass. And america just isn't ready for 12" yet. Even after two obama terms.
2016-06-03T19:42:14 < upgrdman> lol
2016-06-03T19:42:36 < upgrdman> i kinda wonder if apple will make a tablet pc like a surface clone
2016-06-03T19:42:53 < dongs> no theyt'll just keep making shit nobody wants
2016-06-03T19:42:54 < upgrdman> the detatchable keyboard + dickstand is so fucking nice
2016-06-03T19:48:38 < dongs> i think they  did make a surfacepro-ripoff keyboard for dickpad pro
2016-06-03T19:48:50 < upgrdman> ya the dickpad pro is so gay
2016-06-03T19:48:51 < dongs> http://www.apple.com/smart-keyboard/
2016-06-03T19:48:53 < dongs> yeah they did
2016-06-03T19:48:55 < dongs> "SMART" keyboard
2016-06-03T19:49:54 < dongs>  Unlike traditional keyboards, there are no gaps between keys to trap crumbs or coffee. Instead, the keys have been laser ablated into a single sheet of durable custom-woven fabric.
2016-06-03T19:50:01 < dongs> under "innovation across the board"
2016-06-03T19:50:05 < dongs> prety sure surfa bro keyboard is same??
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2016-06-03T19:53:57 < upgrdman> no surface kybd is like normal chicklet laptop shits
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2016-06-03T19:54:14 < upgrdman> but it feels decent considering how thin it is
2016-06-03T19:54:32 < upgrdman> that said, i bring my cherry blue kybd when i travel so i can rage a bit less
2016-06-03T19:56:16 < Tectu> lol wut
2016-06-03T19:56:45 < upgrdman> brb
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2016-06-03T20:03:11 < ReadError> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-31/tech-giants-vow-to-tackle-online-hate-speech-within-24-hours
2016-06-03T20:04:55 < ReadError> guess this didnt work?
2016-06-03T20:08:39 < Tectu> well not something I would want to be responsible for.
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2016-06-03T20:35:12 < bartekww> guys
2016-06-03T20:35:26 < bartekww> i use uart interrupt for receiving
2016-06-03T20:35:36 < bartekww> i need to receive full strings
2016-06-03T20:35:41 < ReadError> lol again
2016-06-03T20:35:47 < bartekww> not single chars
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2016-06-03T20:35:50 < bartekww> yup
2016-06-03T20:35:51 < bartekww> again
2016-06-03T20:35:52 < ReadError> not how it works
2016-06-03T20:35:57 < ReadError> broham
2016-06-03T20:36:01 < bartekww> because no one answered me
2016-06-03T20:36:25 < bartekww> any tutorial?
2016-06-03T20:37:37 < dongs> bartekww: i ve got an arm tutorail for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLNaaFw51O0
2016-06-03T20:38:33 < bartekww> xDDD
2016-06-03T20:39:57 < ReadError> classic
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2016-06-03T21:27:11 < Steffanx> what happened to Laurenceb? He seems so quiet.
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2016-06-03T21:31:16 < Fleck> maybe grown up (higly unlikely...)
2016-06-03T21:33:42 < Steffanx> hah.
2016-06-03T21:33:52 < Steffanx> How is mr Fleck today?
2016-06-03T21:34:10 < Fleck> as usually - great!
2016-06-03T21:34:22 < Steffanx> Excellent.
2016-06-03T21:34:39 < Fleck> perfect!
2016-06-03T21:35:04 < Steffanx> Better keep it that way.
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2016-06-03T23:19:29 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/02/ucla_shooter_killed_prof_over_code_theft/
2016-06-03T23:24:48 < Rob235_> is that what it was? I thought it was about grades
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2016-06-03T23:39:40 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2016/06/03/hands-on-with-the-bbc-microbit/
2016-06-03T23:39:47 < Laurenceb_> perman00bs are us
2016-06-03T23:41:44 < Laurenceb_> It’s worth mentioning that all the editors have an option to save code locally, this produces an LZMA-compressed file with raw code in a JSON structure
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2016-06-04T00:06:24 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXrdYwG17PE music
2016-06-04T00:17:18 < Laurenceb_> too much like jazz
2016-06-04T00:18:16 < Laurenceb_> https://www.flickr.com/photos/mseeley1/27145081830/sizes/k/
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2016-06-04T00:37:13 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CSFkjPm0A0 swedish pop
2016-06-04T00:38:22 < kakimir> swedesh?
2016-06-04T00:40:17 < kakimir> it's Ghost
2016-06-04T00:40:34 < kakimir> they usually just do they satanic thing that is hard to approach
2016-06-04T00:40:43 < kakimir> *their
2016-06-04T00:52:14 < kakimir> that's all I know
2016-06-04T00:52:41 < Fleck> u r werd ohsix
2016-06-04T00:53:41 < kakimir> Fleck: correct
2016-06-04T00:58:10 < kakimir> to me his output seems spurious
2016-06-04T00:59:29 < kakimir> what I thought about crts output too at first
2016-06-04T01:04:43 < kakimir> chill
2016-06-04T01:07:54 < kakimir> what is your spanish skill level?
2016-06-04T01:08:59 < kakimir> why spanish?
2016-06-04T01:09:11 < kakimir> sure it's like second language in muricas
2016-06-04T01:10:18 < kakimir> or porugalise I never remeber which one was the common one
2016-06-04T01:10:36 < kakimir> or even if language
2016-06-04T01:16:52 < Laurenceb_> swedish pop?!
2016-06-04T01:16:57 < Laurenceb_> inb4 sweden yes
2016-06-04T01:18:15 < kakimir> sweden 12points
2016-06-04T01:20:34 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE5-qC5Sx9g Laurenceb_ brit sound I found around 2008 or so
2016-06-04T01:21:27 < Laurenceb_> I suck at languages other than english
2016-06-04T01:21:38 < Laurenceb_> my brother can speak spanish but I suck
2016-06-04T01:22:29 < Laurenceb_> Mexico pays for his wages
2016-06-04T01:22:46 < kakimir> soon you all speak mandarin
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2016-06-04T01:25:11 < kakimir> joke.
2016-06-04T01:25:56 < kakimir> ohsix: no superdeluxe plz
2016-06-04T01:26:04 < Laurenceb_> he works for mexican dept of agriculture
2016-06-04T01:26:27 < Laurenceb_> as a "consultate" aka dollarz theif
2016-06-04T01:27:03 < kakimir> it's good but it's bad
2016-06-04T01:27:04 < Laurenceb_> apparently mexico is really cool and I should move... i'm not convinced
2016-06-04T01:29:32 < kakimir> haven't like everyone tried that and failed terribly?
2016-06-04T01:30:00 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: he has that big ass hat and mustache?
2016-06-04T01:30:12 < Laurenceb_> no lol
2016-06-04T01:31:34 < kakimir> how you do internet documentary that is not at least some amount of awkward?
2016-06-04T01:32:06 < kakimir> when they start describing some phenomenas that are not totally familiar with mainstream
2016-06-04T01:32:27 < kakimir> oh like the protocol stuff?
2016-06-04T01:32:51 < kakimir> not all the shiet going
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2016-06-04T01:33:48 < kakimir> they go there and 4chan and start failing
2016-06-04T01:36:20 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqBbdvBzl24 music 9min
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2016-06-04T04:28:05 < dongs> why the FUCK do people put IRQ handlers inside stm32xx_it.c
2016-06-04T04:28:07 < dongs> holy shit
2016-06-04T04:28:14 < dongs> there's absolutely zero reasons
2016-06-04T04:28:36 < dongs> i mean sure the samples do it for ~reasons~ but why the fuck continue the dumb
2016-06-04T04:29:14 < dongs> sup flyCACK
2016-06-04T04:43:02 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/50gdstnvp41x.jpg
2016-06-04T04:43:41 < dongs> typical activity in denmark
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2016-06-04T05:19:22 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJDEeZt4r9w
2016-06-04T05:29:49 < upgrdman> candle  http://imgur.com/IoHSikT
2016-06-04T05:30:08 < upgrdman> ohsix, i get shanghaied in a few days
2016-06-04T05:30:30 < upgrdman> and yes, i put youtube-dl on my server so i can sync vids over night (hopefully)
2016-06-04T05:31:34 < upgrdman> nice quad  https://i.redd.it/zfqgaubkz31x.jpg
2016-06-04T05:31:54 < Rob235_> get ready for a hex version of that pic soon ;)
2016-06-04T05:31:57 < upgrdman> guessing that's china, since all china cars have those fuck tons of stickers on them
2016-06-04T05:33:21 < upgrdman> legit wtf  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI-nzF0Yyc8
2016-06-04T05:35:34 < dongs> DJI doing DJI things
2016-06-04T05:36:52 < dongs> upgrdman: the swing jump bitch was super lucky she didnt just get her neck snapped
2016-06-04T05:37:08 < upgrdman> inorite
2016-06-04T05:39:54 < upgrdman> heh. the web site that sent me a free 10DOF to do a youtube video of liked my video. theyre inviting me to review another item.
2016-06-04T05:40:02 < dongs> cool
2016-06-04T05:40:08 < dongs> link to review>?
2016-06-04T05:40:10 < upgrdman> they have a $300 spider robot thing
2016-06-04T05:40:19 < upgrdman> but doubt they send it to me, lol
2016-06-04T05:40:25 < dongs> ask for more small shit, then ask for that
2016-06-04T05:40:33 < upgrdman> dongs, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvjNaIlHPV0
2016-06-04T05:40:54 < upgrdman> not a very interesting video
2016-06-04T05:41:17 < upgrdman> ya i know but i dont think go from a cheap 10dof to a big robot
2016-06-04T05:41:37 < upgrdman> thx
2016-06-04T05:41:51 < upgrdman> lots of old videos on there. have a look if you want some MAKER shit
2016-06-04T05:42:31 < upgrdman> that's the plan
2016-06-04T05:42:38 < upgrdman> im taking my new balancing robot with me
2016-06-04T05:42:52 < upgrdman> and my cell phone can record 4k video
2016-06-04T05:42:53 < dongs> err
2016-06-04T05:42:54 < dongs> upgrdman:
2016-06-04T05:42:59 < dongs> why d oyou have teeo type making into a shell
2016-06-04T05:43:15 < upgrdman> too lazy to add a option into eclipse
2016-06-04T05:43:19 < dongs> lo
2016-06-04T05:43:29 < upgrdman> i know i know
2016-06-04T05:44:47 < dongs> upgrdman: you need to start doing proper video mixing with a second camera
2016-06-04T05:45:04 < dongs> need picture in picture of you dicking the board
2016-06-04T05:45:13 < upgrdman> not getting enough ad money to really try hard
2016-06-04T05:47:02 < PeterM> nah, he jsut needs to cut like 80% of his video, talks too slow and long, lots of unnessecary wasted time etc5min read a website ->40min video ughk
2016-06-04T05:47:53 < upgrdman> PeterM, ya i know. but the arduino people that like my vids like the cockholding
2016-06-04T05:48:18 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/1wCO2iF.png
2016-06-04T05:48:19 < dongs> fucking glitch
2016-06-04T05:48:39 < dongs> tryin to figure out what causes it
2016-06-04T05:49:11 < PeterM> you can be cuckolded as much as you want, jsut od it faster
2016-06-04T05:49:18 < PeterM> people can pause the video if itws too fast
2016-06-04T05:50:56 < dongs> god
2016-06-04T05:50:57 < upgrdman> longer vids -> mode time for ads as it plays :)
2016-06-04T05:50:59 < dongs> clicking on aidsfrult.com
2016-06-04T05:51:00 < dongs> for datasheet
2016-06-04T05:51:06 < dongs> unsubscribed
2016-06-04T05:51:19 < upgrdman> i think you didnt sub to anyone lol
2016-06-04T05:51:22 < upgrdman> thought
2016-06-04T05:51:25 < dongs> i dont
2016-06-04T05:51:26 < PeterM> or you just split it up into more vids and do more preroll bro
2016-06-04T05:54:44 < PeterM> but srsly, these days optimal video length has gone from 3:30->10mins so 25+ is still too long and 10 is good enough for most stuff
2016-06-04T05:54:54 < upgrdman> i know
2016-06-04T05:55:29 < upgrdman> but when i get thinks down or split them up the videos are not even long enough to show much
2016-06-04T05:55:54 < PeterM> thats bwecause oyu have way too much dead air
2016-06-04T05:55:56 < upgrdman> and according to youtube my avg view duration is like 7 mins, so many are hanging in there
2016-06-04T05:56:30 < upgrdman> PeterM, ya i know. im not gonna spend more time editing tho (im not making much money) and im not some tv personality that will shit out stuff super quick
2016-06-04T05:56:32 < PeterM> avg view duration is 7 mins, so make a 10 min video
2016-06-04T05:58:48 < upgrdman> PeterM, but ya im not disagreeing. you're right. i just DGAF enough to do better :)
2016-06-04T06:00:24 < upgrdman> ohsix, thanks
2016-06-04T06:01:25 < upgrdman> :)
2016-06-04T06:01:35 < dongs> *** added "ohsix, thanks" to ignore list
2016-06-04T06:02:18 < upgrdman> ? ignoring me or just those lines
2016-06-04T06:03:09 < dongs> he likes to bring in clones of himself to ask dumb questions, tehn ends the convo with "thanks, ohsix"
2016-06-04T06:03:25 < dongs> to try and show that hes being useful
2016-06-04T06:03:43 < dongs> this FUCKING GLITCH WTF
2016-06-04T06:04:44 < upgrdman> dongs, hmm. maybe have any ISRs toggle some GPIOs so you can try to correlate the glitch with unexpected events?
2016-06-04T06:05:30 < dongs> no, im seeing something odd and i think this is it, this shit is SPI master out so it must be something due to how its transmitted
2016-06-04T06:05:57 < dongs> i should probly use dma instead of sending 4 bytes in a loop
2016-06-04T06:06:00 < upgrdman> ohsix, the camera shots use the internal mic on my Canon T3i. the screencast shit uses a FUCKING AWEFUL sony lapel mic. some $30 trash i bought at BestBuy because I got a $25 gift card. $5 wasted but fuck it too lazy to buy something proper.
2016-06-04T06:06:19 < dongs> didnt i recommend you a proper mic like a year ago
2016-06-04T06:06:27 < dongs> you fuckin' stoner
2016-06-04T06:06:40 < upgrdman> you did
2016-06-04T06:06:43 < upgrdman> but i had a gift card
2016-06-04T06:06:52 < upgrdman> and they have ONE FUCKING TYPE of lapel mic
2016-06-04T06:06:56 < upgrdman> fucking best buy
2016-06-04T06:06:59 < upgrdman> such shits
2016-06-04T06:07:08 < upgrdman> i hate going there
2016-06-04T06:07:35 < upgrdman> i only ever go if im too lazy to drive 30 minutes to Frys or too impatient for Amazon
2016-06-04T06:08:06 < upgrdman> here ~= where?
2016-06-04T06:08:45 < upgrdman> hows oregon? farthest north i've been in recent years is just sacramento
2016-06-04T06:10:16 < upgrdman> lol. speaking if bestbuy:  http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audioquest-16-4-usb-a-to-usb-b-cable-black-gray/4022646.p?id=1218449994838&skuId=4022646
2016-06-04T06:10:34 < upgrdman> $1500 usb cable
2016-06-04T06:11:57 < dongs> fuckin scam
2016-06-04T06:13:25 < upgrdman> i recall building a pc like 7 years ago and literally buying the 2nd-most-expensive of everything, and it didnt even cost $3k
2016-06-04T06:13:34 < upgrdman> (i wasn't paying, if you're wondering why)
2016-06-04T06:15:30 < upgrdman> dongs, you've dicked a bit with the mpu6050 right? im getting a weird bug where it my mcu will randomly hang, and the INTA pin stops pulsing.
2016-06-04T06:16:08 < upgrdman> and im no where near out of processing power do i dont think the fifo is overflowing. plus it's like random. sometime 1 minute after power up, others like 30 minutes
2016-06-04T06:16:21 < dongs> hm, nope not seen that
2016-06-04T06:16:28 < dongs> what freezes, mpu or stm?
2016-06-04T06:16:38 < upgrdman> oh, i should check the i2c master lines and see if fagnetometer i2c is hung or someshit
2016-06-04T06:16:39 < dongs> maybe i2c fuckup and it fills up fifo?
2016-06-04T06:16:54 < upgrdman> dongs, not sure yet. im still waiting for it to hang while im connected to debug
2016-06-04T06:18:00 < upgrdman> totally unrelated, on my f0 @ 60MHz i can uart a 1MBaud nicely. at 1.5M or 2MBaud it starts to glitch. im not using an xtal. would an xtal help, or is this just expecting too much
2016-06-04T06:18:26 < upgrdman> just TX. stm is not receiving anything.
2016-06-04T06:19:24 < dongs> ya probably
2016-06-04T06:19:33 < dongs> then again, doenst f0 do crystal-less usb
2016-06-04T06:19:39 < upgrdman> dongs, iirc you sent some amazesoft wire to someone that was going to review it. is said review up?
2016-06-04T06:19:52 < dongs> o yeah englishman got his shit a while ago
2016-06-04T06:19:54 < upgrdman> dongs, f051 here, no usb
2016-06-04T06:22:27 < upgrdman> god damn it. now that im trying to investigate the problem this fucker wont crash
2016-06-04T06:22:39 < upgrdman> 40 minutes now, no problems
2016-06-04T06:24:07 < upgrdman> i wasnt connect to dbg when it crashed before. but it just seemed to stop. but only work being done is in a EXTI ISR. so either some code hung and the mpu6050 shit the bed as a result, or the mpu6050 stopping interrupting for some reason.
2016-06-04T06:24:56 < dongs> unless you confirmed wiht sc  ope that it stopped, i'd guess code
2016-06-04T06:25:18 < dongs> k stepping through all this shit works
2016-06-04T06:25:20 < dongs> wonder wtf
2016-06-04T06:25:25 < upgrdman> well the exti stopped pulsing. but no idea if that is the cause or effect
2016-06-04T06:25:56 < upgrdman> dongs, how many conductor is your amazesoft wire
2016-06-04T06:26:04 < dongs> max is 10
2016-06-04T06:26:14 < dongs> and y ou can just peel it apart if you need less
2016-06-04T06:26:33 < dongs> englishman made some ribbon cable w/plugs on ends, the less pins shit they just peeled extra shit off
2016-06-04T06:26:39 < upgrdman> willing to sell me some? price? pm if secret.
2016-06-04T06:26:54 < dongs> i think it was some dirt cheap shit
2016-06-04T06:27:32 < upgrdman> i should ask one of chinabros to find me some. maybe i can get a fuckton on company dime.
2016-06-04T06:27:34 < englishman> clonings
2016-06-04T06:27:35 < dongs> englishman: soft cable review plz
2016-06-04T06:27:57 < englishman> it would be nice if they put the connectors on the right way
2016-06-04T06:28:07 < dongs> lolz well thats a small problewm
2016-06-04T06:28:09 < englishman> also one of the cables wasn't silicone
2016-06-04T06:28:25 < englishman> Was going to rage earlier but forgot
2016-06-04T06:28:43 < dongs> so you mean instead of actually ripping apart 10pin shit they used thier owN?
2016-06-04T06:28:44 < dongs> assholes.
2016-06-04T06:29:30 < englishman> Thanks for reminding me of rage. Will blog tomorrow
2016-06-04T06:37:55 < upgrdman> FINALLY. it crashed. its waiting on I2C_ISR_TXIS. so i2c is fucked. time to bust out the oscope.
2016-06-04T06:46:39 < dongs> hm, normally SPI should be low but it sticks high after soem trasnfers
2016-06-04T06:46:42 < dongs> thats why theres a glitch
2016-06-04T06:46:44 < dongs> wtf
2016-06-04T06:48:46 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/EkQpK1Z.png it also corresponds (with some delay) with another line pulsing but not in other 3 places
2016-06-04T06:50:27 < dongs> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-04/queensland-flooding-hits-brisbane-as-extreme-weather-moves-south/7476794 RIP peterM
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2016-06-04T06:58:39 < PeterM> yeah, not that bad here but still lots of rain
2016-06-04T07:00:30 < upgrdman> do koalas and kangaroos float
2016-06-04T07:02:23 < dongs> hmn
2016-06-04T07:02:31 < dongs> everything works ignoring glitch, do i just not care
2016-06-04T07:02:32 < dongs> y/nb
2016-06-04T07:02:58 < upgrdman> how did you detect the glitch then, just dumb luck wile probing?
2016-06-04T07:03:02 < dongs> yes
2016-06-04T07:03:26 < dongs> yes
2016-06-04T07:03:29 < dongs> i know exctlty what cause it now
2016-06-04T07:03:43 < dongs> when top bit of SPI is high
2016-06-04T07:03:48 < dongs> after last transfer
2016-06-04T07:03:52 < dongs> the MOSI shit stays high
2016-06-04T07:04:21 < dongs> i cahnged my output from 80 40 20 .. 01 to 01 02 04 .. 80 and the glitch moved to the end of transmission
2016-06-04T07:05:31 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/iX6cD9J.png
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2016-06-04T07:08:35 < englishman> thats normal with st?
2016-06-04T07:08:41 < englishman> Seen that all the time
2016-06-04T07:09:23 < dongs> i'd like to set it to low @ idle i guess
2016-06-04T07:09:43 < englishman> Data line shouldn't matter if you aren't clocking
2016-06-04T07:09:53 < dongs> oh good point
2016-06-04T07:09:56 < dongs> lemme see wat clock looks like
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2016-06-04T07:15:14 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0fYVgQM.png ya i guess there's no clock during glitch
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2016-06-04T08:39:29 < PeterM> upgrdman, yeah they can both swim, though koalas arent great at getting out of things like swimming pools where the ledge is above the water level
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2016-06-04T09:09:36 < ReadError> Gaycation S01E01 Japan PROPER 720p HDTV x264-YesTV
2016-06-04T09:09:38 < ReadError> lol
2016-06-04T09:09:56 < ReadError> probably some UK trash
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2016-06-04T09:13:49 < ReadError> The Penis Extension Clinic 720p WEB h264-C4TV
2016-06-04T09:13:56 < ReadError> ok thats UK TV 100%
2016-06-04T09:14:14 < ReadError> C4TV always is
2016-06-04T09:18:39 < PeterM> oh, looks like ReadError is listing programs he needs to go on.
2016-06-04T09:18:58 < ReadError> wrong order tho
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2016-06-04T09:41:13 < ReadError> im betting all these 'trump supporter atttacks' are staged
2016-06-04T09:41:28 < ReadError> notice they are all 'immigrants'
2016-06-04T09:41:44 < ReadError> hispanic attackers, plays well for his platform
2016-06-04T09:43:17 < ReadError> i mean have you seen the video?
2016-06-04T09:43:20 < ReadError> it looks pretty setup
2016-06-04T09:43:31 < ReadError> atleast the one with them throwing an egg at that lady
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2016-06-04T09:45:56 < ReadError> https://www.facebook.com/ForAmerica/videos/1210364852355204/
2016-06-04T09:45:58 < ReadError> lol
2016-06-04T09:46:50 < dongs> ReadError: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2016-06-04T09:47:26 < ReadError> i mean look at the situation
2016-06-04T09:47:32 < ReadError> how would that actually happen
2016-06-04T09:47:49 < ReadError> cornered by an angry mob, right by a door
2016-06-04T09:48:18 < ReadError> cop or some guy with a badge on his shirt 2' away
2016-06-04T09:48:54 < dongs> Excessive Heat Warning
2016-06-04T09:48:55 < dongs> Central Arizona
2016-06-04T09:48:59 < dongs> Temperature: highs 112 to 118 degrees on the lower deserts today through Sunday, with peak heat likely to occur on Saturday ... cooler Monday with highs 109 to 111 degrees ...
2016-06-04T09:49:02 < dongs> RIP emeb_mac
2016-06-04T09:49:26 < emeb_mac> yep - we're sizzling up in here
2016-06-04T09:49:37 < emeb_mac> AC running full time
2016-06-04T09:49:42 < dongs> i bet
2016-06-04T09:49:56 < emeb_mac> almost 114 today
2016-06-04T09:50:23 < dongs> thats about 20C more than I'd ever wanna deal with
2016-06-04T09:50:41 < emeb_mac> "but it's a dry heat"
2016-06-04T09:50:58 < emeb_mac> not like that high humidity stuff y'all get in .jp
2016-06-04T09:51:33 < PeterM> emeb_mac, what is 112 to 118 is real numbers?
2016-06-04T09:51:41 < dongs> like 40=45C
2016-06-04T09:51:45 < emeb_mac> ya
2016-06-04T09:52:01 < emeb_mac> hit 122 once
2016-06-04T09:52:01 < dongs> 44 to 47 to be exact
2016-06-04T09:52:11 < emeb_mac> 50C
2016-06-04T09:52:24 < emeb_mac> halfway to boiling!
2016-06-04T09:52:29 < PeterM> ehh, not that bad
2016-06-04T09:53:20 < ReadError> house fan?
2016-06-04T09:53:21 < emeb_mac> ohsix: some places have set up those evap cooling towers
2016-06-04T09:53:45 < emeb_mac> but they don't work well during our monsoon season when the RH gets up over 60%
2016-06-04T09:54:37 < emeb_mac> PeterM: I hear it gets pretty toasty out in central .au
2016-06-04T09:54:41 < emeb_mac> worse than here
2016-06-04T09:54:55 < emeb_mac> yup
2016-06-04T09:57:33 < emeb_mac> zzzzzzz
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2016-06-04T10:02:16 < ReadError> ya but that vid just didnt look right in particular
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2016-06-04T10:21:04 < upgrdman> typical jap sporting event  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC4_68XjmuA&t=0m44s
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2016-06-04T10:27:16 < upgrdman> more japan http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/15/monkey-alert-electrifying-escape-japan-zoo
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2016-06-04T10:28:23 < dongs> dude thats ancient
2016-06-04T10:28:28 < dongs> even the url says so
2016-06-04T10:28:32 < dongs> 2016/4/15
2016-06-04T10:29:30 < upgrdman> o
2016-06-04T10:41:55 < upgrdman> typical, uh, american?  https://youtu.be/CEnCG0Zq0f8?t=10
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2016-06-04T10:50:30 < dongs> typical ohsix maybe
2016-06-04T10:57:10 < upgrdman> ohsix, those capacitors look way under qualified for a 1kW induction heater
2016-06-04T10:57:29 < upgrdman> also, AvE bought one of those and it smoked/burned immediately after power on, lol
2016-06-04T10:58:11 < upgrdman> it was an old one. maybe 2yrs ago?
2016-06-04T11:05:42 < upgrdman> im guessing the circuit is very simple and it couldnt handle the high load
2016-06-04T11:06:26 < upgrdman> but ya even my big ass setup with those HUGE caps i have get warm after like 300W for 3 minutes
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2016-06-04T11:17:40 < upgrdman> lolwut
2016-06-04T11:19:47 < dongs> nothing rages me more than people not following instructions
2016-06-04T11:19:56 < dongs> i told this fuckface to keep all his fucking emails about subject X in one fuckign thread
2016-06-04T11:20:15 < dongs> evry god damn day he emails with a new subject: like Progress or "Update" or "news" or whatever
2016-06-04T11:20:18 < dongs> FUCK
2016-06-04T11:20:20 < dongs> HOW DO I EMAIL
2016-06-04T11:21:28 < Steffanx> <ohsix> stop doing business, problem solved
2016-06-04T11:21:37 < Steffanx> (retweeting)
2016-06-04T11:21:52 < dongs> ohsix could /part, the problem would be fully solved too
2016-06-04T11:22:40 < dongs> i'm totally lost why the fuck is he still replying months after I specifically told him his shit is on ignore
2016-06-04T11:22:55 < dongs> even channel logs have him on ignore so he is literally fucking wasting his own time replying
2016-06-04T11:23:11 < dongs> just throwing bits away into the internet void
2016-06-04T11:23:15 < dongs> fucking autistic fuck
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2016-06-04T11:53:39 < Steffanx> trump.. nuff said.
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2016-06-04T11:59:19 < dongs> yeah nobody gives a fuck about american politics
2016-06-04T11:59:34 < dongs> all the trump ragers should just live with the fact that hes going ot be president
2016-06-04T11:59:38 < dongs> end of story
2016-06-04T12:03:24 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/mQYIb9O.png hehe, SPI glitch when using DMA
2016-06-04T12:03:31 < dongs> cuz dma takes longer to teardown/setup
2016-06-04T12:03:34 < dongs> using stdperiph
2016-06-04T12:03:41 < dongs> need to rewrite it using direct registers
2016-06-04T12:04:39 < dongs> haha DMA_GetFlagStatus is insane
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2016-06-04T14:49:45 < dongs> I have a pirated game installed on my computer, and i want to call a technician cause i have some problems (obviously, not related with that game); what if the technician sees the game and knows it's cracked? Can he denounce me?
2016-06-04T15:03:50 < Tectu> microsoft technician?
2016-06-04T15:04:23 < Tectu> I know that microsoft is focusing a bit more on anti-pirating shit these days
2016-06-04T15:04:38 < Tectu> Mr. Altium probably won't care though
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2016-06-04T15:08:37 < ReadError> i got an unlimited legit win10 ultimate key
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2016-06-04T15:19:22 < Steffanx> also acquired it through official and legit channels ReadError?
2016-06-04T15:20:01 < ReadError> Steffanx buddy has legit paid shit w/ MS
2016-06-04T15:20:21 < ReadError> so its legit, not sure about the usage
2016-06-04T15:21:39 < dongs> ultimate is fuckign retarded anyway
2016-06-04T15:21:46 < dongs> just like enterprise
2016-06-04T15:21:52 < dongs> there's no reason to have anything above pro
2016-06-04T15:21:54 < ReadError> yea its just the iso he sent me
2016-06-04T15:21:57 < ReadError> so *shrug*
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2016-06-04T17:41:07 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1464976965056.jpeg
2016-06-04T17:55:33 < dongs> nofunny.jpg
2016-06-04T17:55:51 < Steffanx> grumpy.png
2016-06-04T17:56:59 < dongs> you would be too!
2016-06-04T17:57:17 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/bIZve
2016-06-04T17:57:29 < dongs> top: using DMA bottom: spiwrite() in a loop
2016-06-04T17:57:32 < dongs> data = same
2016-06-04T17:57:35 < dongs> hardware = reacts differntly
2016-06-04T17:57:37 < dongs> lol
2016-06-04T17:58:37 < dongs> the only difference obviously is 8 bytes are a bit expanded cuz of SPI manual wankery
2016-06-04T17:59:13 < Laurenceb_> wel derp
2016-06-04T17:59:26 < Laurenceb_> obvisouly there will be gaps with loop
2016-06-04T17:59:41 < dongs> right
2016-06-04T18:00:03 < dongs> the problem is DMA-output stuff has different result than non-dma
2016-06-04T18:02:28 < zyp> no?
2016-06-04T18:02:48 < dongs> no what?
2016-06-04T18:03:08 < zyp> I count 6x 00, FF, 14x 00, FF, 5x 00 in either capture
2016-06-04T18:03:12 < dongs> correct
2016-06-04T18:03:19 < dongs> the data is same as far as i can tell.
2016-06-04T18:03:32 < zyp> oh, you said that
2016-06-04T18:03:33 < dongs> (it should be, cuz im just passin same ram buffer to dma out)
2016-06-04T18:03:35 < dongs> yeah.
2016-06-04T18:03:38 < dongs> but hardware does differfetn shit
2016-06-04T18:03:41 < zyp> so, slave is misbehaving?
2016-06-04T18:03:43 < dongs> yes
2016-06-04T18:03:48 < zyp> oh, okay
2016-06-04T18:03:51 < dongs> already  tried fucking with clock speed etc.
2016-06-04T18:03:52 < dongs> it snot that.
2016-06-04T18:03:55 < zyp> wrong CPOL/CPHA?
2016-06-04T18:04:34 < dongs> no diference
2016-06-04T18:04:52 < zyp> I mean, it can sample on the wrong edge, but late enough that it's fine with fast DMA, but not when the extra pauses are added
2016-06-04T18:04:55 < zyp> or something
2016-06-04T18:05:07 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-04T18:05:10 < dongs> but i already slowed clock 4x
2016-06-04T18:05:18 < dongs> and cpha/cpol any setting makes no difference
2016-06-04T18:05:39 < zyp> okay
2016-06-04T18:06:23 < dongs> i guess i should look at the bottom of the transmission
2016-06-04T18:06:30 < dongs> if something fucked its probly there
2016-06-04T18:06:34 < dongs> early termination by DMA or somethign
2016-06-04T18:06:39 < zyp> what's this for anyway?
2016-06-04T18:06:46 < dongs> tlc5947
2016-06-04T18:07:06 < zyp> maybe you're deasserting chip select too early in one of the cases?
2016-06-04T18:07:33 < dongs> yea gonna find out soon
2016-06-04T18:07:34 < zyp> oh, no chip select
2016-06-04T18:07:38 < zyp> just a shift register
2016-06-04T18:07:53 < dongs> hah, yes
2016-06-04T18:07:54 < dongs> that was it
2016-06-04T18:07:56 < zyp> well, xlat timing
2016-06-04T18:08:10 < dongs> yhea
2016-06-04T18:08:17 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/TQMiS
2016-06-04T18:08:19 < dongs> bottom is the problem
2016-06-04T18:08:25 < dongs> ch3
2016-06-04T18:09:00 < dongs> 1 = nodma, 2 = dma
2016-06-04T18:09:13 < dongs> thats fucked tho, that means the last byte is coming after all DMA stuff is turned off
2016-06-04T18:09:13 < zyp> right
2016-06-04T18:09:19 < zyp> of course
2016-06-04T18:09:27 < dongs> what do i wait for until thats done then? :)
2016-06-04T18:09:49 < dongs> SPI_I2S_FLAG_TXE or whatever?
2016-06-04T18:10:13 < zyp> SPI periph is double buffered, while second to last is shifted out, last can be written by DMA, and DMA then terminates
2016-06-04T18:10:17 < zyp> hmm
2016-06-04T18:10:28 < zyp> there were some combination, I think
2016-06-04T18:10:53 < zyp> TC?
2016-06-04T18:11:02 < zyp> depends on SPI periph version too
2016-06-04T18:11:18 < dongs> f4disco
2016-06-04T18:11:40 < dongs> i'm already  waiting for DMA TCIF
2016-06-04T18:11:53 < zyp> yeah, but that's just as soon as DMA job is finished
2016-06-04T18:12:09 < dongs> In transmission mode, when the DMA has written all the data to be transmitted (flag TCIF is
2016-06-04T18:12:13 < dongs> set in the DMA_ISR register), the BSY flag can be monitored to ensure that the SPI
2016-06-04T18:12:16 < dongs> communication is complete.
2016-06-04T18:12:19 < dongs> k
2016-06-04T18:12:41 < zyp> check «Disabling the SPI» section in RM
2016-06-04T18:12:59 < dongs> success
2016-06-04T18:13:00 < zyp> suggests wait until TXE=1 then wait until BSY=0
2016-06-04T18:13:00 < dongs> DMA works
2016-06-04T18:13:02 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-04T18:13:19 < dongs> now its hitting right after transmit is done
2016-06-04T18:13:20 < dongs> nice
2016-06-04T18:13:23 < dongs> now i can remove #ifdef DMA
2016-06-04T18:13:27 < zyp> :)
2016-06-04T18:17:51 < dongs> apaprently encoder reading with shift register doesnt need debouncing
2016-06-04T18:18:07 < dongs> im reading 9 of them at 1ms and dont see any bounce happening
2016-06-04T18:18:44 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/LguMhl69.html code (c) pjrc, may allah punish paul stoffenberg
2016-06-04T18:20:48  * Laurenceb_ snackbar
2016-06-04T18:24:35 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/vpiBDQ80.html still lookin for a more pro version of this
2016-06-04T18:24:39 < dongs> but probly doesnt exist
2016-06-04T18:25:19 < dongs> some #gamedev pro can probably do somethin about it
2016-06-04T18:29:39 < Laurenceb_> #gamergate
2016-06-04T18:31:28 < dongs> lol fuckin hell
2016-06-04T18:31:37 < zyp> heh, that's weird
2016-06-04T18:31:54 < dongs> there's a one niblet error in taht fuckign code
2016-06-04T18:32:09 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0ap57rN.png
2016-06-04T18:32:14 < dongs> ^ t hat 0f f0
2016-06-04T18:32:16 < dongs> should be 00 FF
2016-06-04T18:32:18 < dongs> and etc
2016-06-04T18:32:27 < dongs> it got shifted a bit somewehre al ong the line
2016-06-04T18:32:32 < dongs> gotta retype it carefully
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2016-06-04T18:33:52 < dongs> i think last B is wrong
2016-06-04T18:33:54 < zyp> so, that packing is right-aligned?
2016-06-04T18:34:00 < dongs> it needs to come from pattern[j+2]
2016-06-04T18:34:11 < dongs> but then it doesnt work
2016-06-04T18:34:15 < dongs> zyp, no
2016-06-04T18:34:21 < zyp> ah, no, left aligned
2016-06-04T18:34:36 < dongs>     byte0 RR RG GG BB
2016-06-04T18:34:36 < dongs>     byte1 BR RR GG GB
2016-06-04T18:34:36 < dongs>     byte2 BB
2016-06-04T18:34:42 < dongs> its 12 bit per component
2016-06-04T18:34:56 < zyp> yeah, but input is only 8 each, so you're padding last four bits with 0, right?
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2016-06-04T18:35:08 < dongs> yes, <<4 to make 12 bit
2016-06-04T18:35:23 < zyp> so it's actually RR xG Gx BB xR Rx GG xB Bx
2016-06-04T18:35:48 < dongs> yeah sure. i could supposedly use 12bit component if I wanted to
2016-06-04T18:35:59 < dongs> thats why i ha ve the r = blah << 4 separately
2016-06-04T18:36:06 < dongs> incase i change mind
2016-06-04T18:36:14 < zyp> fair enough
2016-06-04T18:36:25 < dongs> but yeah i see why its broken
2016-06-04T18:36:33 < dongs> cuz im failing to account for the BB being on byte2
2016-06-04T18:36:37 < dongs> and looping over it again
2016-06-04T18:37:24 < dongs> back to the drawing board
2016-06-04T18:37:33 < zyp> I guess this is big endian?
2016-06-04T18:37:50 < dongs> well, its F4, i dunno :)
2016-06-04T18:37:50 < zyp> which'll make using larger datatypes painful
2016-06-04T18:38:00 < zyp> I mean the output
2016-06-04T18:38:31 < dongs> oiutput is just a sequence of bits
2016-06-04T18:39:59 < PeterM> <dongs> oiutput is just a sequence of bits
2016-06-04T18:40:46 < dongs> looks like I have to expand that same shit to 8 bytes
2016-06-04T18:41:00 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/ogsZ2w75.html
2016-06-04T18:41:10 < dongs> until i get a loopable pattern
2016-06-04T18:41:23 < zyp> that's 9 words
2016-06-04T18:41:25 < zyp> not 8 bytes
2016-06-04T18:41:33 < dongs> or that
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2016-06-04T18:42:25 < dongs> emeb_mac: didnt need debouncing with shift registers and encoders at all
2016-06-04T18:42:39 < dongs> duno why. it just works
2016-06-04T18:42:50 < emeb_mac> dongs: cool
2016-06-04T18:43:30 < PeterM> emcpders are pretty clean
2016-06-04T18:43:36 < PeterM> encoders even
2016-06-04T18:43:45 < dongs> no, emeb_mac was saying his shit was failing all over the place
2016-06-04T18:44:01 < PeterM> sux to be him, hsouldnt use rubbish encoders
2016-06-04T18:44:15 < dongs> zyp, so does that look legit?
2016-06-04T18:44:22 < dongs> just keep expanding it until that pattern?
2016-06-04T18:44:28 < emeb_mac> PeterM: what encoders do you use?
2016-06-04T18:44:47 < dongs> seems a bit gayish
2016-06-04T18:45:06 < zyp> dongs, I guess
2016-06-04T18:45:20 < PeterM> EN11-VSM1AF20
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2016-06-04T18:45:36 < Rob235> oh nice, yesterday was 2 weeks since I ordered the 5 cx30's, might come today
2016-06-04T18:45:46 < dongs> Rob235: mine arrived like a weeke ago
2016-06-04T18:45:59 < Rob235> I got my first one, that day I ordered 5 more
2016-06-04T18:46:02 < dongs> yes
2016-06-04T18:46:03 < dongs> same
2016-06-04T18:46:05 < Rob235> oh ok
2016-06-04T18:46:13 < Rob235> aren't you in japan?
2016-06-04T18:46:38 < dongs> yeah but last time it was sent it arrived to me + stonererror+you within liek 1-2 days
2016-06-04T18:46:48 < Rob235> yea that is strange
2016-06-04T18:47:02 < dongs> zyp, i dont wanna do that :(
2016-06-04T18:47:05 < Rob235> how many did you order on second go?
2016-06-04T18:47:09 < dongs> just 3 lol
2016-06-04T18:47:15 < Rob235> yellow right
2016-06-04T18:47:19 < dongs> no, orange
2016-06-04T18:47:21 < dongs> i got hte last of orange :p
2016-06-04T18:47:27 < dongs> at 6 bux or whatever
2016-06-04T18:47:34 < Rob235> what day did you order? because I got the last orange
2016-06-04T18:47:35 < emeb_mac> PeterM: yep - I use en11 too.
2016-06-04T18:47:35 < Rob235> hah
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2016-06-04T18:47:52 < dongs> emeb_mac:  < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/LguMhl69.html
2016-06-04T18:47:55 < Rob235> they were sold out after I ordered mine
2016-06-04T18:48:13 < Laurenceb_> One of the contributors of Defense Strategic Communications journal issued by NATO Stratcom COE, Jeff Giesea defines memetic warfare as “competition over narrative, ideas, and social control in a social-media battlefield.
2016-06-04T18:48:29 < Laurenceb_> maybe irc losers can find jobs
2016-06-04T18:49:06 < PeterM> emeb_mac, TT Electronics or chink brand?
2016-06-04T18:49:20 < emeb_mac> PeterM:  full-on TT
2016-06-04T18:49:26 < PeterM> *shrug*
2016-06-04T18:49:31 < PeterM> never had an issue
2016-06-04T18:49:52 < emeb_mac> PeterM: that's because you are a pro
2016-06-04T18:50:00 < dongs> hauehueah
2016-06-04T18:50:05 < PeterM> psh.
2016-06-04T18:50:15 < dongs> damn where are al lmy gamedev pals
2016-06-04T18:50:24 < dongs> im sure they had to pack 12bit into byte array before
2016-06-04T18:50:29 < Rob235> what are you working on
2016-06-04T18:50:30 < PeterM> emeb_mac, do you use ones with detents or no detents?
2016-06-04T18:50:40 < emeb_mac> detents
2016-06-04T18:50:56 < dongs> whats even more weird is how did my shit work at all
2016-06-04T18:50:57 < PeterM> ive only had issues on ones without, so i only ever use detents now
2016-06-04T18:51:01 < dongs> with one byte off error
2016-06-04T18:51:26 < fenugrec> dongs: if you're not after performance yet, can't you write a shitty loop that parses 4 bits at a time. Less error prone maybe
2016-06-04T18:51:51 < emeb_mac> PeterM: like I said before, there were a few... "issues" with the code I was using that probably affected the results.
2016-06-04T18:51:54 < emeb_mac> works fine now
2016-06-04T18:52:09 < PeterM> tru
2016-06-04T18:52:10 < fenugrec> worse I did so far is packing 5 bit values in an array of bytes, so not quite applicable P )
2016-06-04T18:52:30 < dongs> fenugrec: yes, i guess i could
2016-06-04T18:52:48 < dongs> meh
2016-06-04T18:53:03 < dongs> not after performance at all here cuz its just not often called stuff
2016-06-04T18:53:05 < Rob235> dongs: fenugrec: how else could that be done?
2016-06-04T18:53:21 < dongs> Rob235: scroll up
2016-06-04T18:53:25 < dongs> i posted the bit se qnece
2016-06-04T18:53:46 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/ogsZ2w75.html
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2016-06-04T18:55:12 < fenugrec> what kind of device needs that kind of pattern
2016-06-04T18:55:19 < dongs> fenugrec: lol, just a fucking 12bit led driver
2016-06-04T18:55:22 < fenugrec> 9 bytes
2016-06-04T18:55:38 < Rob235> yea ive been trying to figure out where you are getting 12 from
2016-06-04T18:55:47 < Rob235> what are the 3 for?
2016-06-04T18:56:00 < dongs> not 9 bytes, 9*4bytes
2016-06-04T18:56:02 < dongs> 3?
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2016-06-04T18:57:07 < Rob235> each color is 3 bits?
2016-06-04T18:57:08 < fenugrec> oh so the "byte0" line is one 32-bit value ? talk about confusing. Why not "dword0" instead heh
2016-06-04T18:57:31 < dongs> sorry yeah. i mean i thought it'd be obvious cuz its 32bits
2016-06-04T18:58:21 < fenugrec> when the numbers 9 and 12 appear I don't consider anything "obvious" any more
2016-06-04T18:58:35 < Laurenceb_> https://media2.8ch.net/pol/src/1464973265972.jpg
2016-06-04T18:58:39 < Laurenceb_> muh desktop
2016-06-04T18:58:48 < fenugrec> but yeah, shitty loop will surely be the quick answer
2016-06-04T18:58:58 < dongs> k. thinking up of a shitty loop
2016-06-04T18:59:50 < Laurenceb_> shitty loop, tis the tarduino way
2016-06-04T19:00:05 < fenugrec> gcc can be surprisingly clever, given shitloops
2016-06-04T19:01:24 < dongs> luckily im not using gcc but yeah performance is not an issue here at all
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2016-06-04T19:18:26 < dongs> actually fuck, i dont see how that loop is wrong
2016-06-04T19:18:28 < dongs> wtf
2016-06-04T19:18:46 < dongs> rewrote it using pointer for the byte array
2016-06-04T19:31:17 < Rob235> no drones :(
2016-06-04T19:31:35 < ReadError> why? LEDs broke?
2016-06-04T19:31:46 < Rob235> no i mean the cx30's I ordered 2 weeks ago
2016-06-04T19:32:17 < Rob235> haven't been working on the drone, it's nice having it completely built though, just need to get a strap for the batteries
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2016-06-04T19:41:29 < dongs> wait im a dumb tool. its working corectly
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2016-06-04T19:42:02 < dongs> https://ideone.com/xnYgsE wasted time writing this
2016-06-04T19:42:11 < dongs> then realized the last bits are 'FF0' for red pixel
2016-06-04T19:42:24 < dongs> so yeah they're split across xF F0 bytes...
2016-06-04T19:42:33 < dongs> fuckin rage
2016-06-04T19:44:11 < emeb_mac> hah
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2016-06-04T19:47:46 < Rob235> time to play some ffx
2016-06-04T19:54:00 < dongs> stoner
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2016-06-04T20:59:57 < karlp> linux on f4: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.usb.general/143148
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2016-06-04T21:58:31 < Rob235> yo
2016-06-04T22:04:43 < kakimir> stonertronics
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2016-06-04T22:42:05 < upgrdman> R2COM, havnt seen you in a while. what have you been up to
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2016-06-04T23:05:00 < upgrdman> lolwut  http://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-Quality-Lady-Nose-Up-Lifting-Nose-Care-Beauty-Clip-Shaping-Shaper-Clip-Clipper-For-Nose/32603496708.html?shortkey=NvABbeI3&addresstype=600
2016-06-04T23:05:12 < Steffanx> lol asia.
2016-06-04T23:06:50 < Steffanx> and what were you looking for upgrdman? :P
2016-06-04T23:07:00 < upgrdman> r/wtf
2016-06-04T23:07:07 < Steffanx> oh, duh.
2016-06-04T23:07:10 < upgrdman> i need to fill up on reddit before getting shanghai'd
2016-06-04T23:10:40 < upgrdman> wow, that was easy. riglol FTW. now i have all decoders on my oscope
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2016-06-04T23:51:10 < Steffanx> the tutorial was easy upgrdman?
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2016-06-05T01:06:27 < upgrdman> Steffanx, no tutorial. just type serial number into web page, and out pops a key. enter key. done.
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2016-06-05T01:11:09 < Laurenceb_> http://www.chibios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=619
2016-06-05T01:11:18 < Laurenceb_> we see who is responsible for chibios at last
2016-06-05T01:11:35 < Laurenceb_> he looks like a football hooligan
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2016-06-05T01:13:59 < Laurenceb_> how are they failing so hard
2016-06-05T01:14:10 < Laurenceb_> http://www.chibios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=619&start=30
2016-06-05T01:14:28 < kakimir> hollow moon chat Laurenceb_ ?
2016-06-05T01:14:34 < Laurenceb_> only 700kB/s with an F7 and crazy fast SDIO O_o
2016-06-05T01:14:38 < Laurenceb_> maybe
2016-06-05T01:14:45 < kakimir> how you feel about the idea of hollow moon?
2016-06-05T01:15:07 < Laurenceb_> I manage 1MB/s with F1 and shitty slow spi mode with ~12Mhz clock
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2016-06-05T01:15:31 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: smoke less weed
2016-06-05T01:15:49 < Laurenceb_> wonder what they are doing wrong... actually I don't care lol
2016-06-05T01:15:52 < Laurenceb_>  "works for me"
2016-06-05T01:16:47  * Laurenceb_ just used ST library USB codez and DMA/SPI/uSD code stolen from elm-chan
2016-06-05T01:18:33 < kakimir> permastoned
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2016-06-05T01:24:29 < upgrdman> smart kid  http://i.imgur.com/aJjrffT.gifv
2016-06-05T01:26:47 < Steffanx> no aftermath video upgrdman?
2016-06-05T01:27:34 < upgrdman> its not me
2016-06-05T01:35:30 < Steffanx> i know but you seem to have your sources.
2016-06-05T01:37:00 < upgrdman> sadly, i see no video source for it :(
2016-06-05T01:37:07 < upgrdman> but here's all i got on it:  https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/4mi5gh/a_boy_setting_his_hair_on_fire/
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2016-06-05T01:38:33 < upgrdman> unrelated, why the FUCK does my oscope hate me so much. trying to capture an I2C failure, and even with the timescale set for like 20 i2c packets, the trigger is always such that i dont see the failure
2016-06-05T01:40:46 < aandrew> yeah my cheapshit hantek has trigger issues
2016-06-05T01:40:56 < aandrew> I use my chinese knockoff salae for that kind of debugging
2016-06-05T01:42:41 < Laurenceb_> lol i2c failure
2016-06-05T01:42:52 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: use a saleae thingy
2016-06-05T01:43:04 < Laurenceb_> also i2c is only ever failure
2016-06-05T01:56:41 < kakimir> http://i.imgur.com/dzbQCj4.png
2016-06-05T01:58:02 < upgrdman> hmm i'll have to see if i have i2c trigger
2016-06-05T02:00:09 < upgrdman> ohsix, i can trigger on the start of a packet with a pulse trigger. problem is i2c is hanging in my firmware, i think from a misplaced NACK, and i never see the hang on my oscope because the triggers so far have always been timed such that the end of packet transmission at like just off the screen
2016-06-05T02:00:47 < upgrdman> i just tried a timebase that'll give me like 40 packets per screenful, we'll see if i have any luck this time
2016-06-05T02:01:54 < Laurenceb_> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/solution-evaluation-tools/sensor-solution-eval-boards/steval-wesu1.html?icmp=tt3606_gl_bn_may2016
2016-06-05T02:02:01 < Laurenceb_> classy smartwatch
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2016-06-05T02:16:55 < kakimir> one song I don't remember name of haunts me
2016-06-05T02:17:39 < kakimir> used in commercials
2016-06-05T02:21:11 < BrainDamage> anti psychotic medication?
2016-06-05T02:22:47 < kakimir> it's melody is just 3 notes
2016-06-05T02:22:55 < kakimir> repeating
2016-06-05T02:23:20 < kakimir> if I was better in music I would tell those notes right away
2016-06-05T02:27:32 < kakimir> btw you can not trust youtube favorites to be your rock solid diary
2016-06-05T02:27:39 < kakimir> it's slowly decays
2016-06-05T02:28:18 < kakimir> go like 6years back and 30% of videos are unavaiable
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2016-06-05T02:40:39 < Laurenceb_> looks like there is a second F7 discovery with 4 inch lcd
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2016-06-05T03:24:14 < Laurenceb_> http://sli.mg/JTozo5
2016-06-05T03:34:43 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/lVsDIP.png om nom nom
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2016-06-05T04:07:28 < upgrdman> cool
2016-06-05T04:08:00 < upgrdman> im enjoying a few more days of the first world before i get shanghaied again
2016-06-05T04:08:33 < upgrdman> 2 months again :/
2016-06-05T04:08:48 < upgrdman> no
2016-06-05T04:09:02 < upgrdman> i like having a disease-free dick
2016-06-05T04:09:31 < upgrdman> brb in 5 minutes
2016-06-05T04:15:33 < upgrdman> lolwut
2016-06-05T04:20:22 < upgrdman> so like a few months i made a resistive mixed for audio so i could feed my speakers from pc and tv sound.
2016-06-05T04:20:30 < upgrdman> what is the math for a mixer?
2016-06-05T04:20:45 < upgrdman> like, uh, out = in_a * in_b   ?
2016-06-05T04:21:26 < upgrdman> hmm that doesnt sound right
2016-06-05T04:21:42 < upgrdman> out = (in_a + in_b) / 2    ?
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2016-06-05T04:27:16 < Laurenceb_> audiophool mixer out= exp(in_a / in_b)
2016-06-05T04:27:34 < Laurenceb_> dat smooth tone from the graceful distortion
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2016-06-05T04:41:40 < upgrdman> so what happens if in_b goes to zero?
2016-06-05T04:43:29 < Laurenceb_> omg
2016-06-05T04:43:36 < Laurenceb_> imaginary sound cards
2016-06-05T04:43:44 < Laurenceb_> the solution for auiophools
2016-06-05T04:50:12 < upgrdman> finally got a good trigger on my problem
2016-06-05T04:51:17 < upgrdman> sadly, the analog domain didnt help me. i do indeed get a NACK from the i2c slave instead of an ACK. voltages look normal.
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2016-06-05T05:15:07 < PeterM> upgrdman, got all your bags packed for .cn, organized some non-shitty lighting?
2016-06-05T05:16:34 < upgrdman> shit. forgot about that. i'll have to bitch at them when i arrive.
2016-06-05T05:17:42 < PeterM> upgrdman, get a taobao agent or some shit, just orders shit to your hotel - you're in .cn for long enough.
2016-06-05T05:19:00 < upgrdman> i'll just get someone there to order it, that way i dont have to fuck with filing an expense report for that shit
2016-06-05T05:19:20 < PeterM> i menat take it home with you if you get decent shit
2016-06-05T05:19:34 < PeterM> carry on luggage is like the cheapest express post
2016-06-05T05:19:36 < upgrdman> my home is well lit. i have a low tolerance for bullshit in my home.
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2016-06-05T06:12:40 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/AP0kdC2.png
2016-06-05T06:13:24 < upgrdman> anyone know of a download manager that is very fault tolerant (able to resume downloads, able to auto-resume failed downloads, etc.)
2016-06-05T06:13:33 < upgrdman> dongs, nice
2016-06-05T06:13:38 < upgrdman> wheres the 30 pin SIMMS
2016-06-05T06:21:15 < fenugrec> upgrdman: wget...
2016-06-05T06:21:34 < upgrdman> ? will it autoretry
2016-06-05T06:21:54 < fenugrec> if you set retries=0
2016-06-05T06:22:05 < upgrdman> hmm k
2016-06-05T06:22:26 < fenugrec> IIRC wget -c -t0 is pretty solid
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2016-06-05T06:28:50 < upgrdman> think i finally "fixed" my i2c problems. i get an a STOP, NACK or ARLO, i rejust clear those and retry. feels like a dirty hack tho :/
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2016-06-05T07:51:27 < dongs> if( rx_buffer_new_data && (count=ep->xfer_count>>2) ) {
2016-06-05T07:51:31 < dongs> god damn such shit code
2016-06-05T07:52:04 < dongs> i guess i can understand they're tryingto be clever and only executing if there's something in ep buffer while assigning count to it but what a cunty way to do it
2016-06-05T07:53:06 < jpa-> also what's up with that space style
2016-06-05T07:55:45 < dongs> typical awful german shit
2016-06-05T07:55:52 < dongs> also it uses shit like s32, s16
2016-06-05T07:55:58 < dongs> isntead of stdint types
2016-06-05T07:56:06 < jpa-> maybe he thought that putting 2 extra spaces inside the braces will make it easy to read
2016-06-05T07:56:26 < dongs> no, this sseems to be the style overall
2016-06-05T07:56:35 < jpa-> great
2016-06-05T07:56:35 < dongs> if( faggotry ) {
2016-06-05T07:56:46 < dongs> but not consistenet
2016-06-05T07:56:51 < dongs> no spaces inside for() at all
2016-06-05T07:57:13 < dongs> looks like maybe spaces just for conditions
2016-06-05T07:57:19 < dongs> while( junk ) also
2016-06-05T07:57:28 < dongs> anway, its pretty annoying
2016-06-05T07:57:34 < dongs> not to mention generates a warning
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2016-06-05T11:37:42 < ReadError> ohsix ahaha the vapist convention
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2016-06-05T11:57:58 < weas> with CMSIS, does that mean once a person is  familiar with stm32, he can pick up any other Arm  cortex MCU very easily? is the code easily portable to other MCUs thanks to CMSIS?
2016-06-05T12:00:27 < jpa-> nope
2016-06-05T12:00:42 < jpa-> CMSIS only covers the very basic CPU stuff, all peripherals are vendor-specific
2016-06-05T12:01:11 < jpa-> so you can get your code to boot on any cortex MCU easily, but to use any of the peripherals (timers, usarts, usb, etc.) you need to make code for each mcu
2016-06-05T12:01:30 < weas> ohsix: do you mean for the software libaries for nvic, they are about the same across Arm cortex MCU thanks to CMSIS?
2016-06-05T12:02:33 < weas> with CMSIS, the bootloader across cortex MCUs are about the same?
2016-06-05T12:03:05 < weas> what is the advantage of having CMSIS?
2016-06-05T12:03:46 < jpa-> cmsis is mostly ARM marketing term with little real-world significance, but it does make porting RTOSes etc. a bit easier
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2016-06-05T12:20:13 < bartekww> hey
2016-06-05T12:24:01 < dongs> ah its ohsix clone hour
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2016-06-05T12:52:24 < ReadError> looks like some odd HAL shit
2016-06-05T12:52:28 < ReadError> http://www.freertos.org/FreeRTOS-Plus/FreeRTOS_Plus_IO/FreeRTOS_ioctl.shtml
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2016-06-05T13:17:57 < ReadError> dongs http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1YpBTLVXXXXXTXFXXq6xXFXXXN/High-Quality-Eachine-Racer-250-DIY-Kit-CC3D-Naze32-w-600MW-5-8G-32CH-transmitter-Built.jpg
2016-06-05T13:18:01 < ReadError> heh
2016-06-05T13:18:09 < ReadError> wtf is that
2016-06-05T13:18:16 < ReadError> or how would it even work
2016-06-05T13:21:12 < Tectu> looks like somebody just needed larger mounting holes :p
2016-06-05T13:23:13 < dongs> ReadError: http://i.imgur.com/8eDkGg9.png chinks copied my shit from like a year ago looks like
2016-06-05T13:23:32 < ReadError> im wondering about the 8mhz xtal
2016-06-05T13:23:39 < ReadError> and the new baro
2016-06-05T13:23:53 < dongs> do chinks even care
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2016-06-05T13:25:49 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avc5t9upFak my oh my
2016-06-05T13:26:15 < dongs> The last link has been flagged by IRC NANNY as "Possibly Unsuitable". Please find your parent(s) first and have them check the content before opening. [this channel protected by IrCNaNNY by SafeSoft v1.0b]
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2016-06-05T13:43:27 < ReadError> https://youtu.be/L41UdAf1VuA
2016-06-05T13:43:27 < ReadError> hahaha
2016-06-05T13:43:34 < ReadError> spend all this money on some pro testing setup
2016-06-05T13:43:43 < ReadError> use the biggest piece of shit as a testbed
2016-06-05T13:45:48 < dongs> motherboard sounds like ohsix
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2016-06-05T13:46:47 < Tectu> yep, worse than dongsware
2016-06-05T13:47:20 < ReadError> f550 barely flies okay in no wind
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2016-06-05T13:58:18 < ReadError_> freenode shitting itself
2016-06-05T13:59:13 < ReadError_> see the crazy bitch that stole some guys shit
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2016-06-05T13:59:23 < ReadError_> and the gopro recorded it
2016-06-05T13:59:27 < ReadError_> she was fucked up
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2016-06-05T14:00:14 < ReadError_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEKafiDxhCc
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2016-06-05T15:05:50 < Tectu> what's your problem with USB C, ohsix ?
2016-06-05T15:11:07 < ReadError> dat current tho
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2016-06-05T15:47:01 < mra90> how is "uint32_t" defined ?
2016-06-05T15:47:11 < mra90> I cannot find definition in HAL drivers
2016-06-05T15:47:40 < rewolff> unsigned int
2016-06-05T15:47:48 < Fleck> stdint.h
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2016-06-05T15:52:45 < mra90> thanks, although there is no stdio.h in my HAL lib
2016-06-05T15:53:59 < mra90> "typedef unsigned long uint32_t;
2016-06-05T15:53:59 < mra90> " in file stint.redme :P
2016-06-05T16:04:53 < karlp> stdxxx shouldn't in your HAL librayr, they're part of libc, form your your toolchain.
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2016-06-05T17:08:14 < mra90> karlp: good point thanks
2016-06-05T17:15:29 < Tectu> how is yankeeland R2COM2 ?
2016-06-05T17:17:18 < Steffanx> Trumps words?
2016-06-05T17:19:08 < Steffanx> -_-
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2016-06-05T17:20:27 < Steffanx> Not going to happen.
2016-06-05T17:20:37 < karlp> man fuck everything about this power supply arrangement... http://des.gearbest.com/uploads/pdm-desc-pic/Electronic/image/2016/03/28/1459150383294595.jpg
2016-06-05T17:20:53 < karlp> fucking A-A cables just for power?! the fuck is wrong with these people
2016-06-05T17:21:28 < Tectu> "Connect PC or 5V 1V Power Supply"
2016-06-05T17:21:33 < Tectu> something is wrong there.
2016-06-05T17:21:40 < Steffanx> A few weeks ago i was surprised to see farnell even sells A-A cables.
2016-06-05T17:21:54 < Tectu> karlp, what machine is that?
2016-06-05T17:22:04 < Tectu> Steffanx, sadly they are often used -___-
2016-06-05T17:22:25 < Tectu> $University used them on some custom measurement equipment
2016-06-05T17:22:28 < Tectu> each time I rage.
2016-06-05T17:22:28 < fenugrec> bahaha
2016-06-05T17:23:58 < karlp> Tectu: some laser engraver shit
2016-06-05T17:24:28 < Tectu> karlp, got a link?
2016-06-05T17:26:48 < karlp> neje 100mw something on gearbest, closed the tab
2016-06-05T17:27:52 < dongs> karlp: is that a 3d printer dickstarrter
2016-06-05T17:28:04 < dongs> o
2016-06-05T17:28:05 < dongs> k
2016-06-05T17:30:01 < Tectu> 100mW 3d printer doesn't sound like much fun
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2016-06-05T17:30:36 < Tectu> http://www.gearbest.com/3d-printers-3d-printer-kits/pp_242557.html
2016-06-05T17:30:37 < Tectu> lol wut
2016-06-05T17:30:46 < Tectu> commercially available laser engraved made with DVD drives
2016-06-05T17:33:02 < mra90> hmm what is wrong when after MCU flash there is still old program running ?
2016-06-05T17:33:29 < jpa-> flash was not bright enough
2016-06-05T17:33:41 < mra90> =)
2016-06-05T17:34:50 < mra90> the problem is I do flash Nucleo with it's drag n drop feature so I get back no error message about why it refuses to fash uC
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2016-06-05T17:42:01 < jpa-> so use st-link software or openocd?
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2016-06-05T18:01:32 < mra90> yes I am instaling this utilities now
2016-06-05T18:02:00 < Tectu> better install windows
2016-06-05T18:05:50 < mra90> Hmm shows that everything during flsh was ok
2016-06-05T18:06:05 < mra90> Memory programmed in 0s and 421ms.
2016-06-05T18:06:05 < mra90>  "Verification...OK
2016-06-05T18:06:05 < mra90> "
2016-06-05T18:10:08 < mra90> ok flashed.
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2016-06-05T18:26:09 < mitrax> dongs: hey, friend of mine is in Futian, i told him to visit the msx store (where you got me the stm32F429 iirc), is that where china girl works or is she freelancing or something?
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2016-06-05T18:29:34 < dongs> mitrax: lol i think thats jsut a trolladdress
2016-06-05T18:29:39 < dongs> they're in some office in sz
2016-06-05T18:30:19 < dongs> i dont think they have a store/etc thing, stuff is just picked up form markets and shit
2016-06-05T18:30:47 < mitrax> i see, well i guess he can always give them a BOM and have them check, if that's what they do
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2016-06-05T18:32:22 < dongs> probly. does he speak chinese?
2016-06-05T18:32:28 < dongs> also: its sunday night
2016-06-05T18:32:36 < mitrax> he's going tomorrow
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2016-06-05T18:33:26 < dongs> try and show up
2016-06-05T18:33:38 < dongs> i forgot how long time ago your stuff was sent, they moved a few floors down
2016-06-05T18:33:45 < dongs> not sure if that was before or after.
2016-06-05T18:34:05 < dongs> also no guarantee the address was legit as usually they send from a random-ish address
2016-06-05T18:34:18 < dongs> :)
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2016-06-05T18:36:25 < mitrax> eheh okay, the adress i got is 200 meters away from his hotel so it's no big deal if they ain't  there
2016-06-05T18:38:43 < dongs> cool
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2016-06-05T20:53:10 < Tectu> are there any capacitors that are "especially well suited" for integrator circuits?
2016-06-05T20:56:48 < upgrdman> so like close to ideal? NP0 or C0G, but they're small capacitance
2016-06-05T21:00:16 < Tectu> I need something in the 10u to 100u range
2016-06-05T21:13:17 < Sync> 100µ sounds large for an integrator
2016-06-05T21:14:35 < Tectu> yeah, PI for motor speed control
2016-06-05T21:14:47 < Tectu> stuff goes slow there
2016-06-05T21:15:19 < Sync> just use an stm32
2016-06-05T21:15:33 < Sync> or any old electrolytic
2016-06-05T21:16:08 < Tectu> well tell that that my analog electronics RF wizard prof
2016-06-05T21:16:39 < Sync> > 2016
2016-06-05T21:16:42 < Sync> > analog motor control
2016-06-05T21:16:43 < Sync> pls.
2016-06-05T21:16:48 < Tectu> yep.
2016-06-05T21:16:57 < Tectu> that's called university project, Sir.
2016-06-05T21:16:59 < Sync> just leave
2016-06-05T21:17:22 < Tectu> hah :P
2016-06-05T21:18:15 < Sync> I did that a few times
2016-06-05T21:18:31 < Tectu> leaving university?
2016-06-05T21:18:34 < Sync> no
2016-06-05T21:18:49 < Sync> not doing the projects because people were unrealistic in what they wanted me to do
2016-06-05T21:19:17 < Tectu> well too bad that they force you to do it if you want to pass.
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2016-06-05T21:20:38 < Sync> yeah they tried that as well
2016-06-05T21:20:42 < Sync> just changed my course
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2016-06-05T21:23:45 < Tectu> people must love you
2016-06-05T21:23:46 < Tectu> :P
2016-06-05T21:23:48 < Sync> they do
2016-06-05T21:25:16 < Sync> not going to do boring outdated shits
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2016-06-05T21:28:03 < Tectu> that reminds me that I have a lab on the PIC18F tomorrow...
2016-06-05T21:29:04 < Sync> we had avr stuff, just wrote the code on the first date and never went back after that
2016-06-05T21:30:29 < Tectu> avr >>>>>> pic (at least in 8-bit stuff)
2016-06-05T21:30:50 < Sync> tru
2016-06-05T21:31:32 < Tectu> <Sync> or any old electrolytic    <--- how do polarized electrolytic caps do in integrator applications?
2016-06-05T21:32:12 < Sync> well, if your voltage is purely in the right polarity, pretty ok
2016-06-05T21:32:21 < Sync> they have high leakage, but usually that is not too much of a problem
2016-06-05T21:33:26 < Sync> it is almost your only chance if you really need that high values
2016-06-05T21:33:51 < Sync> can't you just increase your resistor to get higher RC constants?
2016-06-05T21:33:58 < Sync> then you can use high value ceramics or foil
2016-06-05T21:34:28 < Sync> styroflex caps were common back then, your prof will love you if you use them
2016-06-05T21:35:43 < Tectu> LOL
2016-06-05T21:36:16 < Tectu> so I guess that leakage is why I see the duty cycle decreasing about 1% per 5 seconds
2016-06-05T21:36:34 < Sync> measure leakage current
2016-06-05T21:37:01 < zyp> 20:19:17 < Tectu> well too bad that they force you to do it if you want to pass.
2016-06-05T21:37:04 < Sync> your prof will also love you if you test a few and put a graph in your paper
2016-06-05T21:37:41 < zyp> trick is to just ignore the conditions of the task and solve it in a completely different and better way
2016-06-05T21:37:59 < zyp> I've done that a couple of times and gotten a 100% score on it
2016-06-05T21:38:00 < Tectu> Sync, I am not really seeking any love from that kind of person.
2016-06-05T21:38:06 < Sync> :D
2016-06-05T21:38:20 < Tectu> zyp, I have a few professors that like it when I do that too, but this one just not.
2016-06-05T21:39:18 < zyp> one of the first year courses at my uni were having us make some complicated word/openoffice template with TOC generation and document linking and references and whatnot
2016-06-05T21:39:22 < jpa-> Tectu: i'd say polyester caps
2016-06-05T21:39:39 < zyp> task even stated that it had to be solved both in word and openoffice to learn the differences
2016-06-05T21:40:22 < Tectu> jpa-, thank you Sir!
2016-06-05T21:40:31 < Tectu> zyp, the fuck
2016-06-05T21:40:40 < Tectu> zyp, for what benefit?
2016-06-05T21:41:12 < zyp> presumably so that you learn how to make proper reports further on in the education or something
2016-06-05T21:41:14 < Sync> moar assraep
2016-06-05T21:41:21 < zyp> like I said, it was a first year course
2016-06-05T21:41:44 < zyp> mainly it was a java course, so it was something like programming 101
2016-06-05T21:42:47 < zyp> I considered doing it as stated, but I concluded I didn't want to go through that bullshit and said fuck it
2016-06-05T21:42:51 < jpa-> Tectu: polypropylene is good also, it varies a bit which one is cheaper
2016-06-05T21:42:58 < Tectu> professors usually love my reports
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2016-06-05T21:43:11 < Tectu> zyp, had that too...
2016-06-05T21:43:20 < Tectu> I actually went through it.
2016-06-05T21:43:27 < Tectu> jpa-, money isn't really an issue
2016-06-05T21:43:29 < zyp> so I made a latex template instead with the requested features where it made sense for latex
2016-06-05T21:43:40 < jpa-> rich swisslanders
2016-06-05T21:44:06 < Tectu> so I guess all of us in here were the computer/electronics wizards at university
2016-06-05T21:44:23 < Tectu> had a guy that saw a multimeter for the very first time in his life... second semester electrical engineering.
2016-06-05T21:44:27 < zyp> prof was like «oh, you fucking asshole… latex is what I used when I went to uni… I don't have the heart to not give you 100% on this one»
2016-06-05T21:45:15 < Tectu> zyp, sadly only a few profs are like that at my university. Most of them are "oh fuck, you did it better, fuck you, I have to treat you like the rest. You didn't complete the task because you didn't use the listed tools"
2016-06-05T21:45:20 < Tectu> fucking fucktards
2016-06-05T21:45:32 < Lux> in my uni it was mandatory to use latex for reports
2016-06-05T21:45:40 < Tectu> sounds like fun
2016-06-05T21:45:44 < Lux> looks much cleaner anyway
2016-06-05T21:45:50 < Tectu> vi?
2016-06-05T21:45:53 < zyp> Lux, yeah, I don't get why anybody would use anything else
2016-06-05T21:46:05 < Tectu> well tbh I do mine in word :p
2016-06-05T21:46:18 < Tectu> simply because I never got the time/motivation to look into latex
2016-06-05T21:46:20 < jpa-> here in some courses it was strongly recommended, in other courses it was said to be an option only for masochists
2016-06-05T21:46:23 < Tectu> seems like a steep learning curve
2016-06-05T21:46:29 < Tectu> especially if you want to do your own template thing
2016-06-05T21:46:36 < jpa-> loool Tectu uses word
2016-06-05T21:46:44 < Lux> once you got a good template it's not much more work than in word anyway
2016-06-05T21:46:47 < Steffanx> tectu probably even paid for it.'
2016-06-05T21:46:57 < Tectu> dreamspark much
2016-06-05T21:46:59 < zyp> «template thing»
2016-06-05T21:47:09 < jpa-> one can dreamspark office now?
2016-06-05T21:47:22 < zyp> I usually just make a copy of my last document, remove the content and reuse the framework
2016-06-05T21:47:23 < Sync> for years
2016-06-05T21:47:28 < zyp> occasionally adding a bit to it
2016-06-05T21:47:38 < Sync> never touched word tho besides highschool
2016-06-05T21:47:39 < Tectu> well somehow office is not part of dreamspark itself but we can get it using the dreamspark account from a different microsoft website
2016-06-05T21:48:04 < Tectu> are you guys using some fancy live-preview IDE for your latex magic?
2016-06-05T21:48:10 < zyp> nah
2016-06-05T21:48:10 < jpa-> annoying thing about latex is that once you slam on all the packages, you'll never bother to figure out how to edit an old document anymore :)
2016-06-05T21:48:12 < jpa-> nope
2016-06-05T21:48:17 < zyp> just plain vim
2016-06-05T21:48:29 < zyp> jpa-, true
2016-06-05T21:48:35 < zyp> oh
2016-06-05T21:48:49 < jpa-> should really store the plain-tex intermediate file to allow atleast some editing :P
2016-06-05T21:48:55 < zyp> I remember somebody stole my math assignment once and put their name on it
2016-06-05T21:49:02 < Tectu> I have a friend who does his presentations using something called "latex beamer"
2016-06-05T21:49:16 < Tectu> zyp, did you slap 'em?
2016-06-05T21:49:18 < Sync> latex beamer is awesome
2016-06-05T21:49:23 < zyp> Tectu, no, idk who
2016-06-05T21:49:33 < Tectu> Sync, is that just another template or ...?
2016-06-05T21:49:58 < Sync> well, kinda
2016-06-05T21:50:11 < Sync> it adds functionality you want for presentations
2016-06-05T21:50:19 < zyp> I just got a message from the person correcting the handins «I've got two identical reports with different names. If you cooperated you have to put both names on each handin. Not approved.»
2016-06-05T21:50:27 < Tectu> well the real pain is that almost all projects are in pairs of two. As most of the people in my class barely know what a computer is I can't expect them to use anything but word. Most of them never ever heard of open-/libreoffice before. 4th semester and half of them heard of linux the first time last week.
2016-06-05T21:50:42 < Sync> although the one thing that drives me crazy is formatting in latex
2016-06-05T21:50:49 < jpa-> the thesis presentation was nice when someone asked how i made the images, i showed the source and they went ._.  http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/pix/tikz.png
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2016-06-05T21:51:08 < Sync> rekt
2016-06-05T21:51:09 < Tectu> o.O
2016-06-05T21:51:17 < Tectu> do you hate yourself or something?
2016-06-05T21:51:24 < Steffanx> that is f'ing terribg jpa-
2016-06-05T21:51:25 < zyp> so I ended up talking to the prof, and since only I had the latex source for the document, I had proof that I wrote it
2016-06-05T21:51:27 < Tectu> I would totally draw that in visio and copypasta
2016-06-05T21:51:29 < Steffanx> le
2016-06-05T21:51:37 < Tectu> zyp, good
2016-06-05T21:51:39 < jpa-> Tectu: then your fonts wouldn't match
2016-06-05T21:51:51 < Tectu> zyp, how did that person manage to get their name on it w/o source?
2016-06-05T21:52:03 < zyp> no idea, pdf editor perhaps
2016-06-05T21:52:03 < Tectu> jpa-, I don't care about fonts, I only do rectangles and circles
2016-06-05T21:52:14 < jpa-> was the name on anywhere but the first sheet?
2016-06-05T21:52:26 < Steffanx> How did someone get your answers in the first place zyp?
2016-06-05T21:52:31 < Sync> Tectu: then your papers look like cancer
2016-06-05T21:52:35 < Sync> like all the word ones do
2016-06-05T21:52:47 < Tectu> Sync, cannot disagree
2016-06-05T21:52:48 < zyp> Steffanx, dunno, probably lax security on the digital handin system
2016-06-05T21:53:02 < Tectu> do you guys have any books/tuts that you can recommend to get started with latex?
2016-06-05T21:53:19 < Steffanx> One can immitate latex in word :P
2016-06-05T21:53:25 < Steffanx> Not impossible.
2016-06-05T21:53:27 < Tectu> zyp, so somebody is lazy enough not to do the report but un-lazy enough to hack university stuff?
2016-06-05T21:53:52 < zyp> I guess
2016-06-05T21:55:11 < Tectu> Sync, but latex beamer... after all it just generates a PDF, no?
2016-06-05T21:55:26 < jpa-> atleast with moodle it happens sometimes that teacher accidentally marks form submissions as "public"
2016-06-05T21:55:34 < zyp> I remember I had a guy in my class that were into shit that seemed at least borderline illegal
2016-06-05T21:55:43 < Steffanx> moodle. there you have it jpa-. Open sores.
2016-06-05T21:55:56 < Tectu> yeah, our university does that too
2016-06-05T21:55:58 < Tectu> horrible.
2016-06-05T21:56:07 < zyp> this was before chip credit cards became standard here, so we still used magstripes
2016-06-05T21:56:12 < jpa-> it wasn't that bad
2016-06-05T21:56:43 < zyp> guy had a magstripe writer, so he had a bunch of fun changing around his cards
2016-06-05T21:56:52 < Steffanx> i always wonder .. how many of you actually used LaTeX AFTER you finished studying?
2016-06-05T21:57:18 < zyp> wrote a credit card magstripe to his library card, and shit like that
2016-06-05T21:57:25 < zyp> Steffanx, I used latex last week
2016-06-05T21:57:27 < jpa-> not me, work makes me use word
2016-06-05T21:57:33 < Steffanx> im surprised zyp.
2016-06-05T21:57:42 < zyp> I got a template to make shipping labels with latex :p
2016-06-05T21:58:12 < zyp> I've considered redoing it in html, but then I'd have to learn how css works for print
2016-06-05T21:58:13 < jpa-> zyp: is your arcade business going strong?
2016-06-05T21:58:51 < zyp> nah, market seems pretty saturated
2016-06-05T21:59:35 < zyp> and the chinese shit that I originally designed it as a replacement for have almost reached feature parity now
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2016-06-05T22:12:35 < BrainDamage> if you use latex i can't reccomend enough detexify.kirelabs.org/classify.html
2016-06-05T22:12:56 < BrainDamage> so much time wasted looking up glyphs before i discovered it
2016-06-05T22:17:20 < upgrdman> found R2COM  https://youtu.be/RukYj7dFWSg?t=40
2016-06-05T22:18:38 < Tectu> starting to fight with a guy protection gear. wut.
2016-06-05T22:19:44 < jadew> yeah, stupid move
2016-06-05T22:20:39 < jadew> also the guy seemed taller and into sports, so probably in a much better shape than the guy with a beer belly
2016-06-05T22:21:13 < Sync> I always wonder how in rage you an be that you have such facial expressions
2016-06-05T22:21:20 < upgrdman> lol
2016-06-05T22:22:09 < Sync> especially considering what happened
2016-06-05T22:22:15 < jadew> I think there should be laws that would punish road rage by death
2016-06-05T22:22:36 < jadew> people that can't handle that shit happens shouldn't be allowed to drive in the first place
2016-06-05T22:22:39 < Sync> the MX riders just pulled into the street and the fucker wasn't even in the way
2016-06-05T22:22:44 < Steffanx> but this is the internet.. all videos are totally missing the right context.
2016-06-05T22:23:03 < Steffanx> Who says this is all that happened?
2016-06-05T22:23:24 < jadew> doesn't matter, whoever is at fault should get a severe beating
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2016-06-05T22:23:50 < jadew> hopefully it was the fat guy
2016-06-05T22:23:52 < jpa-> doesn't matter what happened, all problems can be fixed with violence
2016-06-05T22:24:02 < jadew> haha
2016-06-05T22:24:19 < Steffanx> Damn, jpa- what kind of dad are you?
2016-06-05T22:24:24 < Steffanx> Still need to learn much
2016-06-05T22:24:46 < Steffanx> Also jpa- on holiday? You're never around at this time.
2016-06-05T22:25:07 < jpa-> Steffanx: yeah, daddy leave
2016-06-05T22:25:14 < Steffanx> Ah, excellent.
2016-06-05T22:25:25 < jadew> jpa-, new dad?
2016-06-05T22:25:46 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/gSY2imq.jpg
2016-06-05T22:26:03 < jpa-> jadew: yes
2016-06-05T22:26:11 < jadew> nice, congrats
2016-06-05T22:26:18 < jpa-> thx
2016-06-05T22:26:19 < Tectu> lol upgrdman
2016-06-05T22:26:20 < jadew> hope you're rested :D
2016-06-05T22:31:12 < jadew> do you guys think it's a good idea to cascade RCDs?
2016-06-05T22:31:31 < BrainDamage> it's not unheard of
2016-06-05T22:31:47 < jpa-> doesn't hurt safety AFAIK
2016-06-05T22:31:58 < BrainDamage> altought the trip is not always deterministic
2016-06-05T22:32:18 < jadew> yeah, but at worst, the main one will trip first, right?
2016-06-05T22:32:22 < BrainDamage> yes
2016-06-05T22:32:40 < BrainDamage> generally you want a steeper curve in the one downstream
2016-06-05T22:32:41 < jadew> so the downside is that it tripps the whole house, but on the upside it trips faster than the other one would have
2016-06-05T22:32:45 < BrainDamage> along the lower trip current
2016-06-05T22:33:09 < BrainDamage> default here is C for household installations, check yours
2016-06-05T22:33:32 < Sync> got all D ones
2016-06-05T22:33:35 < Sync> to replace the K
2016-06-05T22:33:46 < jadew> I couldn't find any information on what's required here
2016-06-05T22:33:50 < jpa-> sometimes one sees 30mA whole house and 10mA bathroom RCD
2016-06-05T22:34:41 < jadew> I was thinking 30 mA main and 10 mA in the rest of the house but I was told that may be problematic because of poorly designed appliances
2016-06-05T22:34:58 < jadew> not sure what to do anymore
2016-06-05T22:37:07 < Sync> I have a 10mA one and it is not a problem
2016-06-05T22:38:01 < Sync> only if I run a vfd
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2016-06-05T22:38:26 < jadew> it trips it?
2016-06-05T22:39:03 < Sync> yes
2016-06-05T22:39:10 < jadew> that's interesting
2016-06-05T22:39:17 < Sync> no
2016-06-05T22:39:28 < Tectu> lo
2016-06-05T22:39:49 < Sync> capacitive coupling gives you high ground currents
2016-06-05T22:42:32 < jadew> I should probably re-do the house's wiring too
2016-06-05T22:43:15 < Tectu> are you out of interesting things to do?
2016-06-05T22:43:48 < jadew> no, but after seeing that video of the guy getting electrocuted, I figured I should put the electrical stuff in order around here
2016-06-05T22:44:06 < jadew> for one, we have an earthed connection only in the bathroom
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2016-06-05T22:44:10 < jadew> and my lab
2016-06-05T22:44:42 < jadew> scares the crap out of me when I think about it
2016-06-05T22:44:50 < Sync> wat
2016-06-05T22:45:15 < Tectu> wut?
2016-06-05T22:45:15 < BrainDamage> is that even legal?
2016-06-05T22:45:20 < Tectu> where do you live?
2016-06-05T22:45:24 < jadew> BrainDamage, old building
2016-06-05T22:45:31 < jadew> it was built in the 30s
2016-06-05T22:45:42 < Sync> that does not mean that it is legal
2016-06-05T22:45:46 < BrainDamage> here we have laws that even old buildings have to be upgraded after a while you live in it
2016-06-05T22:45:48 < jadew> it probably isn't
2016-06-05T22:45:51 < jpa-> still legal here for old buildings
2016-06-05T22:46:02 < Steffanx> same here.
2016-06-05T22:46:16 < jadew> well, if it's legal in other countries then it's definitely legal here
2016-06-05T22:46:21 < Sync> if you change anything here in the installation you have to upgrade it
2016-06-05T22:46:27 < jpa-> pretty irrelevant nowadays anyway as very few appliances are grounded anymore
2016-06-05T22:46:45 < BrainDamage> it's mostly large appliances
2016-06-05T22:46:47 < jpa-> Sync: here only if you add grounding to one part of room, you have to do the whole room
2016-06-05T22:46:55 < Sync> kek
2016-06-05T22:46:59 < jadew> jpa-, I'm mainly worried about kitchen appliences
2016-06-05T22:47:14 < jpa-> jadew: yeah, makes sense to have grounding in kitchen
2016-06-05T22:47:21 < jpa-> and bathroom, and to have RCD also
2016-06-05T22:47:29 < jadew> yeah
2016-06-05T22:47:58 < BrainDamage> oh and i remember solid core wires i had to replace when i helped my sister's apt
2016-06-05T22:48:01 < BrainDamage> fuck.that.shit
2016-06-05T22:48:47 < BrainDamage> i have no idea how they laid them in other than beingalready present when they laid the pipework
2016-06-05T22:50:15 < Sync> huh? solid wires in walls are fine
2016-06-05T22:50:35 < Tectu> yeah, I was wondering about that too. We only have solid wires here.
2016-06-05T22:50:43 < Tectu> (in the walls)
2016-06-05T22:50:46 < karlp> heh, speaking of which, was just trying to mount some roller blinds.  hit buried condiut in the walls
2016-06-05T22:51:20 < Steffanx> and you cut the cables?
2016-06-05T22:51:38 < Steffanx> *wires
2016-06-05T22:51:39 < jadew> I heard that story before, how do you fix that?
2016-06-05T22:51:44 < BrainDamage> i had to replace them because the cable was broken by a retarded construction worker
2016-06-05T22:52:12 < jpa-> so karlp broke the cables and BrainDamage had to fix it?
2016-06-05T22:52:14 < jadew> do you have to open the wall for it?
2016-06-05T22:52:34 < BrainDamage> yes and no
2016-06-05T22:52:42 < Sync> no, you just switch over to the failover cable
2016-06-05T22:52:43 < jpa-> here they have recessed boxes and pipes in between so that in theory you can pull new cables
2016-06-05T22:52:50 < BrainDamage> if it's not a mess, you can just add another junction box
2016-06-05T22:52:52 < jpa-> whether it works in practice is random
2016-06-05T22:53:16 < jpa-> Sync: ah, the yellow & green striped "spare N/L conductor"
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2016-06-05T22:53:29 < Steffanx> lol.
2016-06-05T22:53:36 < Sync> yeah
2016-06-05T22:53:45 < Sync> although it has been a long time since I've seen that here
2016-06-05T22:54:00 < Sync> as with schukos that is fucking lunatic
2016-06-05T22:54:23 < BrainDamage> british ring circuits still take the cake from me
2016-06-05T22:54:31 < jadew> you've seen the earth wire being used as a spare?
2016-06-05T22:55:05 < Sync> yes
2016-06-05T22:55:11 < Sync> if one of the others has been broken
2016-06-05T22:55:19 < jadew> that's insane
2016-06-05T22:55:34 < Tectu> must be a german thing.
2016-06-05T22:56:01 < jadew> on the same note, whoever did the light switches here mounted some of them on the null
2016-06-05T22:56:33 < jadew> not as big of a transgression, but still annoying
2016-06-05T22:56:38 < Sync> common if you have two switches
2016-06-05T22:56:46 < Sync> that was even legal here for a few years
2016-06-05T22:56:53 < Sync> Tectu: not really
2016-06-05T22:57:43 < Sync> it also is a common find during the "periodische Kontrolle"
2016-06-05T22:58:39 < Sync> but the swiss have nothing to say about installations
2016-06-05T22:58:48 < Sync> with their neutral disconnect
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2016-06-05T22:59:34 < Tectu> hah
2016-06-05T22:59:37 < Tectu> you germans don't do that?
2016-06-05T22:59:42 < Sync> of course not
2016-06-05T23:00:04 < Tectu> but that's only used for test procedures if we talk about the same thing
2016-06-05T23:00:38 < Tectu> http://www.ferratec.ch/Bilder/web/PRT779500105.jpg   ?
2016-06-05T23:01:36 < Sync> yeah, it was outlawed back when we had a fused neutral and it was fucking dangerous
2016-06-05T23:02:11 < Sync> because if they fail, all your shit is at elevated potential eventually
2016-06-05T23:02:36 < Tectu> well, remember that swiss stuff never fails
2016-06-05T23:02:45 < Tectu> :p
2016-06-05T23:03:10 < Sync> the real reason is that the hilljews don't give you a guaranteed earth to neutral resistance
2016-06-05T23:03:12 < BrainDamage> the difference between stuff that can fail and stuff that never fails, is that when stuff that never fails break, danger happens
2016-06-05T23:03:33 < Tectu> good one ^
2016-06-05T23:04:24 < willmore> Tectu, did you solve your integrator capacitor problem?
2016-06-05T23:05:00 < jadew> I remember when I was a kid some neighbours did something stupid like that, they "fixed" a fuse by replacing the broken wire inside with a nail
2016-06-05T23:05:04 < Tectu> willmore, well there wasn't anything to solve. So no :p
2016-06-05T23:05:11 < Tectu> willmore, I was more wondering which one I should pick for the final design.
2016-06-05T23:05:21 < Tectu> willmore, the prototype works with a regular electrolytic cap
2016-06-05T23:05:23 < PaulFertser> Tectu: btw, do you have a real motor to experiment with? Would be funny if you could take one of your stm32 boards and make an ad-hoc controller out of it that would be more efficient than what your professors asks for.
2016-06-05T23:05:26 < jadew> on top of that the fuse panel was accessible to us (the kids) and unlocked
2016-06-05T23:05:52 < Tectu> PaulFertser, I do, but I don't have time nor motivation to do that :)
2016-06-05T23:05:52 < Sync> jadew: they only extended the rating of the circuit
2016-06-05T23:06:03 < jadew> Sync, hehe
2016-06-05T23:06:16 < Sync> Tectu: a motor controller is written very quickly
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2016-06-05T23:07:09 < BrainDamage> what kind of controller are you building? the usual shit with PI in current loop and P in speed ?
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2016-06-05T23:09:19 < Steffanx> "periodische Kontrolle" .. that happens in germany Sync? I've never heard that happens in houses here
2016-06-05T23:09:46 < zyp> what's that?
2016-06-05T23:10:06 < jadew> periodic control maybe?
2016-06-05T23:10:24 < jadew> some sort of inspection?
2016-06-05T23:10:42 < BrainDamage> they inspect female periods
2016-06-05T23:10:52 < zyp> ah, inspections
2016-06-05T23:10:52 < Sync> no Steffanx
2016-06-05T23:10:59 < zyp> we have those here in norway
2016-06-05T23:11:00 < Sync> the swiss have that
2016-06-05T23:11:04 < Steffanx> ah, ach so
2016-06-05T23:11:18 < Sync> it only happens here if you sell your house
2016-06-05T23:11:32 < zyp> when I worked as an electrician, we had a bunch of jobs that consisted of fixing shit uncovered by such inspections
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2016-06-05T23:15:02 < englishman> I had a gfci that tripped when I used my 70cm ham radio
2016-06-05T23:15:31 < englishman> So annoying
2016-06-05T23:15:51 < zyp> unisolated power supply?
2016-06-05T23:16:41 < englishman> HT
2016-06-05T23:16:51 < kakimir> hello sexuals
2016-06-05T23:17:14 < Steffanx> People ever tell you you are weird kakimir?
2016-06-05T23:17:24 < kakimir> only you
2016-06-05T23:17:27 < kakimir> really
2016-06-05T23:17:57 < englishman> kakimix
2016-06-05T23:18:02 < englishman> steffanir
2016-06-05T23:18:22 < Steffanx> laurishmen?
2016-06-05T23:18:25 < Steffanx> *an
2016-06-05T23:18:45 < englishman> englishb
2016-06-05T23:20:53 < englishman> actually got $200 gfci 60A breaker todsy
2016-06-05T23:21:01 < englishman> For new hot tub
2016-06-05T23:21:17 < willmore> FWIW, for an capacitor in an integrating circuit you want something with low dielectric absorption.  Polypropylene is good for that.
2016-06-05T23:21:25 < zyp> englishman, heh
2016-06-05T23:21:37 < Steffanx> tectu wont read your message willmore
2016-06-05T23:21:38 < zyp> you're in the US?
2016-06-05T23:21:47 < englishman> .ca
2016-06-05T23:21:49 < Steffanx> canada of course.
2016-06-05T23:21:53 < willmore> Steffanx, yeah, that's why I said FWIW instead of their name. ;)
2016-06-05T23:21:58 < zyp> oh, the nice US
2016-06-05T23:22:05 < englishman> lel
2016-06-05T23:22:31 < zyp> englishman, so, is this 60A 120V or 60A 240V?
2016-06-05T23:22:37 < englishman> 240
2016-06-05T23:22:46 < zyp> how the fuck does it need that much power?
2016-06-05T23:23:06 < englishman> dono that's what I got tho
2016-06-05T23:23:09 < BrainDamage> maybe it doubles as steam coker
2016-06-05T23:23:21 < zyp> that's 14.4kW
2016-06-05T23:23:45 < englishman> screw EVs I gots a spa
2016-06-05T23:23:47 < willmore> That's what my old water heater was.  82 gallon
2016-06-05T23:23:59 < zyp> oh, and that's the same amount of power that my entire apartment got
2016-06-05T23:24:11 < zyp> I've got a 63A 230V single phase intake :p
2016-06-05T23:24:21 < englishman> our electric furnace is 23kW and it's rather small
2016-06-05T23:24:41 < englishman> plus I added 5kW baseboard to the extension
2016-06-05T23:24:59 < zyp> you're talking about heating now?
2016-06-05T23:25:03 < englishman> Standard new house service is 200A single phase
2016-06-05T23:25:04 < englishman> Yes
2016-06-05T23:25:15 < zyp> don't you insulate your houses over there?
2016-06-05T23:25:18 < englishman> Yes
2016-06-05T23:25:22 < englishman> Lots
2016-06-05T23:25:37 < englishman> 24" in attic
2016-06-05T23:25:40 < zyp> how the fuck do you need that much heat then?
2016-06-05T23:25:46 < englishman> It's cold bro
2016-06-05T23:26:00 < BrainDamage> at which latitude are you out of curiosity?
2016-06-05T23:26:07 < englishman> 47
2016-06-05T23:26:22 < zyp> I live in fucking norway, and doesn't use that much power for heating
2016-06-05T23:26:35 < englishman> Even with power at 7c/kWh heat was about $400/month last winter
2016-06-05T23:26:49 < Steffanx> but doing things american style.. all huge and overdone :P
2016-06-05T23:26:52 < zyp> haha, wtf
2016-06-05T23:27:04 < englishman> With wood furnace assist too
2016-06-05T23:27:39 < englishman> Steffanx: actually this is a pretty small home, 150 yrs old, designed small to save on heating
2016-06-05T23:27:51 < kakimir> some southern europeans end up paying same for heating that we do in north
2016-06-05T23:27:56 < Steffanx> 150 yo, damn
2016-06-05T23:28:00 < kakimir> because
2016-06-05T23:28:08 < kakimir> absolutelly no insulation
2016-06-05T23:28:17 < zyp> englishman, your insulation must be a joke
2016-06-05T23:28:19 < kakimir> save in building costs
2016-06-05T23:28:47 < englishman> The insulation is pretty old but I wouldn't say it's poor
2016-06-05T23:29:09 < kakimir> triple or at least double windows?
2016-06-05T23:29:14 < englishman> Windows were upgraded 5 yrs ago with 3 layer
2016-06-05T23:29:16 < englishman> ^
2016-06-05T23:29:24 < Steffanx> you need 10.
2016-06-05T23:29:25 < kakimir> attic?
2016-06-05T23:29:33 < zyp> or maybe I'm just underestimating how cold your winters get
2016-06-05T23:29:41 < kakimir> insulations there?
2016-06-05T23:30:10 < zyp> I'm used to living at the coast, which means the temperatures doesn't really get super low
2016-06-05T23:30:10 < englishman> Attic is ceiling insulated, so attic is unheated
2016-06-05T23:31:31 < englishman> Yes it's rather cold outside in the winter.
2016-06-05T23:31:35 < BrainDamage> wikipedo says -10°C daily average in jan and peaks to -30°C
2016-06-05T23:31:36 < kakimir> there is now vacuum insulation available and even used in some zero energy houses
2016-06-05T23:31:53 < kakimir> if you want to be like really kewl and future
2016-06-05T23:32:09 < englishman> There's also significant wind here, thought about getting a turbine
2016-06-05T23:32:43 < kakimir> why do you heat with electricity?
2016-06-05T23:32:54 < englishman> Cheap, easy, clean
2016-06-05T23:33:08 < kakimir> expensive
2016-06-05T23:33:15 < englishman> Wood helps a lot, and it's free, but a lot of work
2016-06-05T23:33:22 < kakimir> heat pumppin a thing in muricas?
2016-06-05T23:33:29 < BrainDamage> flash news, fuel and electricity prices are not the same over the world
2016-06-05T23:33:40 < kakimir> drillhole heatpunpin?
2016-06-05T23:33:51 < englishman> Yes, thought about looking into that too
2016-06-05T23:34:02 < kakimir> of course it's 7c/kwh
2016-06-05T23:34:30 < BrainDamage> here daily average of power is 0.22€/kWh
2016-06-05T23:35:07 < BrainDamage> all heating is either diesel, natural gas, or whale oil :p
2016-06-05T23:35:22 < kakimir> how the hell electricity costs 4eurocents/kwh
2016-06-05T23:35:39 < kakimir> it was like 17eurocents/kwh I last time checked
2016-06-05T23:35:43 < englishman> Single govt entity, very well run, fuck tons of hydro
2016-06-05T23:35:57 < kakimir> cannuk?
2016-06-05T23:36:05 < englishman> Yes
2016-06-05T23:36:13 < kakimir> best land
2016-06-05T23:36:16 < kakimir> o/
2016-06-05T23:36:23 < englishman> \o
2016-06-05T23:36:47 < englishman> Now that's it's summer I gotta mow the lawns every week. Takes 3h
2016-06-05T23:36:57 < kakimir> robot?
2016-06-05T23:36:59 < PaulFertser> Else what?
2016-06-05T23:37:20 < Steffanx> then englishwoman gets mad.
2016-06-05T23:37:21 < kakimir> well the lawn fukkens itself?
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2016-06-05T23:37:41 < englishman> Else it gets overgrown and it's harder to mow. And you spend a lot of time looking for badminton birdies / lost drones
2016-06-05T23:37:51 < kakimir> weed grows and stuff
2016-06-05T23:38:42 < PaulFertser> You're on ##stm32 dude, build some small simple radio emitter and embed it in the badminton shit, come on ;)
2016-06-05T23:39:29 < PaulFertser> Weed grows only to a certain height, then stops.
2016-06-05T23:40:33 < kakimir> how about trees?
2016-06-05T23:40:36 < kakimir> and bush?
2016-06-05T23:40:52 < englishman> Nothing like a well trimmed bush.
2016-06-05T23:41:38 < BrainDamage> set vegetation on fire and let the problem solve itself, works for other parts of canada
2016-06-05T23:41:53 < kakimir> get bunnies
2016-06-05T23:42:05 < kakimir> or goats
2016-06-05T23:42:22 < kakimir> easier to control because doesn't dig a hole under your house
2016-06-05T23:43:29 < kakimir> englishman: what kind of lawn mower you use?
2016-06-05T23:43:34 < Steffanx> no goats. those will also eat the things you dont want them to eat.
2016-06-05T23:44:49 < englishman> Here's a pic of the driveway in march. http://s19.postimg.org/mgsghscs3/PANO_20160302_083228.jpg
2016-06-05T23:45:01 < englishman> kakimir: 27hp john deere zero turn
2016-06-05T23:45:57 < kakimir> well
2016-06-05T23:46:21 < kakimir> not bad
2016-06-05T23:47:12 < kakimir> it's the shit rigth?
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2016-06-05T23:47:36 < englishman> Makes for good snowshoeing
2016-06-05T23:48:12 < kakimir> we use husqvarna riders here
2016-06-05T23:50:02 < kakimir> that photo.. you don't even have trees there?
2016-06-05T23:50:17 < kakimir> so hostile environment only bush survives?
2016-06-05T23:50:30 < kakimir> how it looks in the summer?
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2016-06-05T23:54:17 < BrainDamage> same, a bit brighter
2016-06-05T23:54:23 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/g8uKGSI.jpg
2016-06-05T23:54:25 < englishman> May
2016-06-05T23:54:57 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/cN5k6LD.jpg this is same area as March photo, but end of may
2016-06-05T23:55:01 < kakimir> you grow some stuff there?
2016-06-05T23:55:28 < englishman> Sure, lots of stuff
2016-06-05T23:56:37 < kakimir> in those fields too?
2016-06-05T23:58:49 < mra90> what is configured in "GPIOx_ODR" ?
2016-06-05T23:58:58 < mra90> (GPIO port output data register)
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2016-06-06T00:08:40 < mra90> if there is no clock setup the MCU works on default internal ?
2016-06-06T00:09:07 < jadew> how else would it start? :)
2016-06-06T00:09:50 < mra90> hmm yes I wonder what's wrong with my low level init code
2016-06-06T00:10:34 < mra90> I try to write from scratch code to turn GPIO PIN 5 ON/OFF
2016-06-06T00:12:08 < mra90> here is my simple code -> http://paste.scsys.co.uk/521988?wr=on&ln=on&hl=on&submit=Format+it%21 || is anybody able to debug it ;) ?
2016-06-06T00:12:46 < mra90> I play with nucleo which is STM32F446
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2016-06-06T00:16:02 < englishman> kakimir: they aren't our fields, no
2016-06-06T00:16:51 < kakimir> nobody propably debugs for you.. usually you tell what it should do, what it actually does and then someone may give you a hint what might be wrong
2016-06-06T00:21:44 < mra90> kakimir: yes that's what I expect by aksing here; )
2016-06-06T00:22:08 < mra90> as I said my intention is to just wrote low level cde which turn PIN5 of GPIOA on
2016-06-06T00:22:14 < mra90> write*
2016-06-06T00:22:44 < mra90> this pice of code compiles well but after flasg nothing happens - pin is off
2016-06-06T00:23:48 < kakimir> you have debugger?
2016-06-06T00:25:27 < kakimir> with debugger you can follow every machine instruction step
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2016-06-06T00:25:44 < kakimir> and variables
2016-06-06T00:27:22 < kakimir> mra90: is it your first code for platform or have you got some stuff confirmed to function before on platform?
2016-06-06T00:27:40 < mra90> kakimir: first code
2016-06-06T00:28:02 < mra90> although I have HAD examples which works...
2016-06-06T00:28:11 < mra90> s/HAD/HAL
2016-06-06T00:28:30 < kakimir> you sure have startup code in your project?
2016-06-06T00:29:19 < mra90> kakimir: in terms of debugger I have ST-LINK but machine instruction won't tell me much
2016-06-06T00:30:53 < mra90> kakimir: yes I do have .s file
2016-06-06T00:31:19 < mra90> should I include it in compilation process ?
2016-06-06T00:31:20 < kakimir> well you can sure see if code just escapes somewhere and then hardfaults
2016-06-06T00:31:43 < kakimir> I don't know I use IDE automation for stuff like that
2016-06-06T00:32:00 < mra90> kakimir: what do you use to check instructions ?
2016-06-06T00:33:03 < kakimir> IDE has like the window in side that shows current instruction and corresponding ine of code and stuff
2016-06-06T00:33:24 < mra90> kakimir: which IDE ?
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2016-06-06T00:34:52 < kakimir> eclipse + eclipce gnu arm + eclipse openocd plugin
2016-06-06T00:35:48 < mra90> ok, I compile with arm-none-eabi-gcc
2016-06-06T00:36:00 < mra90> so your guess is I am missing startup code right ?
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2016-06-06T00:36:55 < kakimir> isn't that .s just C startup
2016-06-06T00:37:10 < mra90> no it's ASM
2016-06-06T00:37:24 < kakimir> asm for C startup
2016-06-06T00:37:52 < kakimir> then you need handlers - reset handler that calls main
2016-06-06T00:38:05 < kakimir> and what else
2016-06-06T00:38:10 < mra90> it does: Set the initial SP | Set the initial PC == Reset_Handler, | Set the vector table entries with the exceptions ISR address | Branches to main in the C library (which eventually
2016-06-06T00:38:24 < mra90> so now I see that I at least missing branch to main :)
2016-06-06T00:38:57 < kakimir> main in C library?
2016-06-06T00:39:02 < kakimir> some __maon
2016-06-06T00:39:33 < mra90> kakimir: yes main in C file
2016-06-06T00:40:53 < mra90> first compile try returned error in linker: undef ref to "SystemInit"
2016-06-06T00:41:09 < kakimir> sure you don't have one?
2016-06-06T00:41:15 < mra90> here is one milion dolar question where the hell is SystemInit ?
2016-06-06T00:41:37 < mra90> well, shouldn't it be in this .s file ?
2016-06-06T00:41:41 < kakimir> no
2016-06-06T00:42:29 < kakimir> it comes with cmsis
2016-06-06T00:43:23 < mra90> and it's c code I guess ?
2016-06-06T00:44:01 < kakimir> cr_startup_yourchip.c
2016-06-06T00:44:07 < kakimir> oh
2016-06-06T00:44:14 < kakimir> it's avtually your c lib
2016-06-06T00:44:19 < kakimir> cr = code red
2016-06-06T00:47:07 < mra90> kakimir: I found this function (SystemInit) in system_stm32f4xx.c
2016-06-06T00:47:09 < kakimir> http://paste.scsys.co.uk/521990
2016-06-06T00:47:57 < mra90> LPCxx ?
2016-06-06T00:50:01 < kakimir> you may want to have hardfault_handler etc. with while loops
2016-06-06T00:54:57 < kakimir> there is dozens of mcu manufs.
2016-06-06T00:55:07 < kakimir> *arm cortex
2016-06-06T00:58:02 < mra90> kazimir: I include .a startup file (and all its dependencies) to compilation and now it works ;)
2016-06-06T00:58:11 < mra90> kakimir: thank you pal
2016-06-06T00:58:33 < mra90> btw, for what is GPIOx_ODR register ?
2016-06-06T01:00:23 < kakimir> read docu?
2016-06-06T01:02:23 < mra90> well I wound't ask if haven't already done that ;)
2016-06-06T01:03:02 < mra90> "When the pin is configured as output, the value written to the output data register
2016-06-06T01:03:02 < mra90> (GPIOx_ODR) is output on the I/O pin"
2016-06-06T01:03:47 < mra90> so in push pull mode if I wrie 1 then the output is HIGH right ?
2016-06-06T01:03:55 < zyp> yes
2016-06-06T01:04:12 < mra90> ok thanks
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2016-06-06T01:35:51 < mra90> hmm how is PUPDR and ODR related, I mean what if I set up pull down in PUPDR but 1 in ODR ?
2016-06-06T01:36:55 < fenugrec> it's just a weak pulldown
2016-06-06T01:37:01 < kakimir> I don't know about stm32 but isn't it usually so that in input mode those are used
2016-06-06T01:37:20 < kakimir> and in output mode weak pullups and downs are passive
2016-06-06T01:37:22 < fenugrec> DC electrical specs chapter says how many uA the actual "pulling" does
2016-06-06T01:37:56 < englishman> you will find your answer in stm32 reference manual
2016-06-06T01:40:47 < mra90> englishman: chapter or something ?
2016-06-06T01:40:58 < mra90> register section doesn't aswer it
2016-06-06T01:41:24 < englishman> which chip?
2016-06-06T01:42:01 < mra90> STM32F446
2016-06-06T01:43:02 < mra90> kakimir: tou don't know STM32 o.0 ?
2016-06-06T01:43:12 < mra90> s/tou/you
2016-06-06T01:44:04 < kakimir> I'm known traitor here
2016-06-06T01:44:52 < mra90> ;]
2016-06-06T01:45:35 < englishman> what is your output set up as? od + pulldown seems rather useless unless you have external pullup too
2016-06-06T01:45:42 < brianx> apparently he doesn't like ##embedded.  always good to have a dissenting view anyway.
2016-06-06T01:47:38 < englishman> there is usually a gpio diagram early on in the gpio chapter
2016-06-06T01:47:54 < englishman> datasheet (not rm) will give approx pullup/down valiues
2016-06-06T01:48:50 < zyp> mra90, nothing prevents you from driving in one direction and having a pullup enabled in the other at the same time
2016-06-06T01:49:01 < zyp> but it doesn't make much sense to do so
2016-06-06T01:49:31 < mra90> englishman: I ment that setting some PIN to be pull down and then setting ODR to 1 which mean corresponding PIN is high is contradiction right ?
2016-06-06T01:49:55 < zyp> why would it be a contradiction?
2016-06-06T01:50:00 < englishman> no, the output fet has higher drive strength than the pulldown resistor
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2016-06-06T01:50:06 < englishman> so the result will be logic 1
2016-06-06T01:50:11 < zyp> it'll result in the pin being pulled low, but driven high
2016-06-06T01:50:15 < englishman> depending on your other chip's receiver.
2016-06-06T01:51:02 < zyp> the entire purpose of a pull resistor on a signal is to define a value when it's not being driven
2016-06-06T01:51:04 < englishman> but you will be passing current though the pulldown resistor, that is sourced from your output pfet. so you're burning energy for nothing
2016-06-06T01:51:18 < zyp> when it's being driven, the value being driven overrides whatever direction it's pulled in
2016-06-06T01:51:35 < englishman> at least in most cases, there may be some specific weird case where this is needed
2016-06-06T01:51:42 < englishman> pullup + opendrain is a very common setup.
2016-06-06T01:51:46 < zyp> so enabling a pull-mode for a pin in a push-pull setup is pretty pointless, but perfectly valid
2016-06-06T01:52:30 < zyp> maybe you're doing something like switching between input and output mode on the same pin, and you like the pin to be pulled to a defined value when in input mode
2016-06-06T01:52:47 < zyp> and you need to drive high while in output mode, so open drain isn't appropriate
2016-06-06T01:53:00 < mra90> englishman, zyp: that's the point
2016-06-06T01:53:09 < mra90> thank you guys ;)
2016-06-06T01:53:33 < zyp> in that case it may make sense to leave the pull enabled while in output mode even if it's pointless, just because it's not worth the hassle of turning it off and back on again before switching to input mode
2016-06-06T01:55:37 < zyp> there's a lot of ways to configure stuff that's valid but mostly pointless :p
2016-06-06T01:55:46 < mra90> yes I guess
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2016-06-06T02:00:03 < fenugrec> not always pointless, if you have multiple drivers "wire-or'ed" together
2016-06-06T02:01:29 < mra90> but in push-pull mode pull up is always pointless since ODR 0 will couse low state no matter what right ?
2016-06-06T02:04:05 < zyp> yes
2016-06-06T02:04:30 < zyp> fenugrec, you can't wire-or push-pull pins together
2016-06-06T02:04:49 < zyp> I mean, you can, but you won't get any sane behavior out of that :p
2016-06-06T02:05:04 < fenugrec> oh ahha, no, if it's a PP output, then I agree. Pointless P-)
2016-06-06T02:05:18 < zyp> I've forgotten to set i2c pins in OD mode before
2016-06-06T02:06:00 < zyp> it resulted in some slaves being read correctly and some slaves failing to be read
2016-06-06T02:06:30 < zyp> depending on whether the drive strength of the slave is strong enough to overcome the driving strength of the master driving high :)
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2016-06-06T02:08:20 < zyp> was extra fun to debug because the logic analyzer saw the failing slave responding, but the master didn't
2016-06-06T02:08:53 < fenugrec> hehe
2016-06-06T02:09:01 < zyp> spent a fair bit on that, before I hooked up an oscilloscope instead, and that made it obvious immediately :p
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2016-06-06T02:09:15 < zyp> a fair bit of time
2016-06-06T02:20:20 < fenugrec> it didn't break the drivers on any of those ? lucky
2016-06-06T02:29:19 < zyp> modern electronics is pretty resilient :)
2016-06-06T02:30:40 < jadew> < 20 cents MCU: http://ro.farnell.com/fujitsu/mb95f223kpf-g-sne1/mcu-8bit-f2mc-8fx-16-25mhz-sop/dp/1825569
2016-06-06T02:33:27 < aandrew> hm
2016-06-06T02:33:44 < aandrew> is HAL_TIM_PWM_ConfigChannel() the cube way of updating PWM periodically?
2016-06-06T02:33:52 < aandrew> I know I can _IT or _DMA if I have something more complex to do
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2016-06-06T02:35:47 < PeterM> jadew, for like 10c mroe you get a real mcu
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2016-06-06T02:54:38 < karlp> Steffanx: no, seems I only hit some outer shell or something? tripped the rcdi, tried another positoihn, tripped it again, going to try a third position tomororw, but that requires recutting the blinds.
2016-06-06T02:54:49 < karlp> bit tedious. will have to try puttying over the holes.
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2016-06-06T03:36:48 < aandrew> oh ffs
2016-06-06T03:40:42 < aandrew> http://pastebin.com/kQr2j4Gg
2016-06-06T03:40:48 < aandrew> I cannot figur eout why I'm not seeing anything on PA0
2016-06-06T03:40:50 < aandrew> ust low
2016-06-06T03:42:59 < aandrew> nothing's hung (my blinking LED and USB output is working
2016-06-06T03:43:11 < Thorn__> you init gpioa but write to gpiod
2016-06-06T03:43:14 < aandrew> but with 1500/2000 for channel1 I should be able to see something
2016-06-06T03:43:19 < aandrew> Thorn__: huh?
2016-06-06T03:43:32 < aandrew> I didn't show the gpio_init() routine
2016-06-06T03:43:35 < aandrew> gpiod is just two LEDs
2016-06-06T03:44:02 < aandrew> GPIOA (PA0-PA2) is PWM output, PA0 specifically is initialized to 1500/2000
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2016-06-06T04:27:23 < Getty> is there any simple command line tool on windows for reading a itm debug stream from a file? even best if i could pipe it in....
2016-06-06T04:28:09 < Getty> i can only find .... "bigger things"... i mean ok a windows tool with gui is also fine, but i feel stm32 studio will be probably annoying, if it at all does that
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2016-06-06T04:45:40 < aandrew> wtf canI get this fucking PWM to go
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2016-06-06T04:47:29 < Getty> well, they usual come and go .......................... ;)
2016-06-06T04:50:51 < Getty> cant even find a itm dump tool... iget crazy
2016-06-06T04:51:21 < gxti_> meanwhile i've spent all afternoon trying to get a usart working
2016-06-06T04:52:14 < Getty> gxti_: we all have been through that... we all have....
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2016-06-06T05:08:51 < gxti_> ok. it was about as stupid as i thought it might be
2016-06-06T05:09:44 < gxti_> moving from f107 with its ghetto alt-func not-really-a-mux to f051 with actual afio mux... on f10x you don't have to set input pins to AF mode. on f051 you do.
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2016-06-06T05:33:59 < dongs> nice
2016-06-06T05:34:08 < dongs> gxti_: whatcha moved to F0?
2016-06-06T05:35:23 < gxti_> completely unrelated to previous projects
2016-06-06T05:36:20 < dongs> mkay
2016-06-06T05:36:21 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Video-Services/How-create-Internet-channel/
2016-06-06T05:58:42 < Rob235> anyone good with css/javascript?
2016-06-06T05:59:34 < dongs> Rob235: does your anniemation class do events like I make led #10 light up then fade back to color x in y microseconds
2016-06-06T06:01:46 < Rob235> nah, just pattern stuff, it's all computed in the loop based on the current animation frame number
2016-06-06T06:05:10 < Rob235> you set the start and end color (including brightness)  of each arm and choose gradient linear/center/none and another layer on top that can be variable length with same  color and animation options
2016-06-06T06:06:14 < dongs> ah
2016-06-06T06:06:33 < dongs> yeah not gonna work too weell for wat i wanna do
2016-06-06T06:06:39 < dongs> ill just ghetto it up myself later.
2016-06-06T06:06:44 < dongs> need to dicknplace for awhile now
2016-06-06T06:06:59 < dongs> here's my neodixel DMA thing http://bcas.tv/paste/results/rNl43K18.html
2016-06-06T06:08:03 < dongs> hm i should lower the led DMA irq priority the fuck down
2016-06-06T06:08:04 < dongs> just noticed taht
2016-06-06T06:08:07 < dongs> no need for it to be so hig
2016-06-06T06:08:55 < Rob235> thats on my list to do, I set everything at the same priority because I wasn't sure how I wanted it set up yet
2016-06-06T06:10:57 < Rob235> decided to write a personal/professional website so I learned html5 and css yesterday, never used javascript before so that's next
2016-06-06T06:14:38 < jadew> Rob235, what's the question you had?
2016-06-06T06:15:05 < Rob235> how triggering animations and transitions with javascript works
2016-06-06T06:15:27 < jadew> css transitions?
2016-06-06T06:15:39 < Rob235> yea
2016-06-06T06:15:42 < jadew> you set the class
2016-06-06T06:15:49 < dongs> oh
2016-06-06T06:15:52 < dongs> jadew is back
2016-06-06T06:15:55 < dongs> i thought you were rip'd
2016-06-06T06:15:58 < dongs> in that car crash
2016-06-06T06:16:06 < jadew> what car crash?
2016-06-06T06:16:13 < dongs> the one where car was split in 2
2016-06-06T06:16:18 < jadew> actually, nvm, I don't want to see it
2016-06-06T06:16:22 < jadew> happened in Romania?
2016-06-06T06:16:33 < Rob235> I guess I have to read up real quick on js before I do this
2016-06-06T06:16:36 < dongs> http://www.ziuaconstanta.ro/diverse/stiri-calde/accident-cu-victime-pe-aurel-vlaicu-una-dintre-masini-rupta-in-doua-galerie-foto-595359.html?imagini=1#scroll
2016-06-06T06:17:11 < jadew> Rob235, you get a handle of the element you want to apply the CSS class to and you do my_elm.className = 'whatever';
2016-06-06T06:17:17 < dongs> shitty bulgarian mazda taht they welded together from 2 separate cars
2016-06-06T06:18:46 < jadew> reading what happened
2016-06-06T06:19:32 < dongs> ther was a gfycat
2016-06-06T06:20:13 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/p2fiRA5.gifv
2016-06-06T06:21:47 < jadew> can't read anymore
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2016-06-06T07:50:35 < dongs> GOOD BUSINESS PROPOSAL from SOUTH AFRICA y/n
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2016-06-06T08:50:38 < emeb> South Africa? Seems legit.
2016-06-06T08:50:47 < emeb> Nigeria OTOH...
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2016-06-06T10:27:24 < AmarOk_> hi. I've got a stm32f446 with a cca02m1 and a steval-mk1155V2. I can flash/debug the stm with System Workbench 4 without any probe
2016-06-06T10:27:57 < AmarOk_> problem. BUt I want to get the mics on the cca02M1
2016-06-06T10:28:44 < AmarOk_> The problem is : I can't see the cca02m1 with "dmesg" (I see nothing when I plug/unplug the cca)
2016-06-06T10:29:35 < AmarOk_> J1 is off, J2/J3 is on pos 2/3 to get 4 external mic
2016-06-06T10:29:48 < AmarOk_> Any idea?
2016-06-06T10:31:34 < dongs> crt: that ST abandonware
2016-06-06T10:31:38 < dongs> SW4STM32
2016-06-06T10:31:50 < dongs> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/development-tools/software-development-tools/stm32-software-development-tools/stm32-ides/sw4stm32.html?sc=sw4stm32
2016-06-06T10:32:39 < AmarOk_> http://www.openstm32.org/System+Workbench+for+STM32
2016-06-06T10:35:06 < Getty> ohsix: i wrote a perl script which i use to read the ITM data live
2016-06-06T10:35:12 < Getty> ohsix: not that it is hard
2016-06-06T10:35:43 < Getty> but given that it is not hard, i am confused why there is no tool ready to go
2016-06-06T10:36:24 < Getty> well i must distribute it towards distributor who then distributes it towards the china production ;)
2016-06-06T10:36:38 < Getty> so i should package it up, sadly i cant guarantee that easily with that perl
2016-06-06T10:37:09 < Getty> debugging and in this case i want that the chinese idiots can see directly from debugging what shit they produced this time
2016-06-06T10:37:18 < dongs> you should probably write tools you expect others to use in C
2016-06-06T10:37:32 < dongs> also keil can print SWO/ITM stuff just fine
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2016-06-06T10:39:45 < Getty> so i start an IDE for displaying some text?
2016-06-06T10:40:08 < Getty> OpenOCD cant display it
2016-06-06T10:40:17 < dongs> since you're debugging, I'd hope you're already IN an ide
2016-06-06T10:40:20 < Getty> it just can store the ITM stream to a file or display it on STDOUT which is just garbage
2016-06-06T10:40:25 < Getty> ?`!?!?!?!?
2016-06-06T10:40:30 < dongs> sorry to hear if you're typing "make" while sweating if your code is going to work or not
2016-06-06T10:40:31 < Getty> i just want to display ITM/SWO stuff
2016-06-06T10:40:34 < dongs> then printf() your success to ITM
2016-06-06T10:40:38 < Getty> ?!!!?!?!?!?
2016-06-06T10:40:38 < Getty> no
2016-06-06T10:40:53 < dongs> its a debug port.
2016-06-06T10:40:57 < Getty> i am still having this for the production, not for debugging my code
2016-06-06T10:41:01 < dongs> if you wanna dump shit from board, open uart at 1mbit and send it out
2016-06-06T10:41:11 < Getty> ?!?!??!
2016-06-06T10:41:21 < dongs> only 2 wires, too
2016-06-06T10:41:22 < qyx> Getty: iirc jpa or who did some scripts to visualize it
2016-06-06T10:41:29 < dongs> tx and gnd
2016-06-06T10:41:30 < Getty> but there is no UART connected?!!?! and i dont add like more ports cause .... out of dongs said it?!?!?
2016-06-06T10:41:38 < qyx> wat
2016-06-06T10:41:43 < qyx> you are too ??!!?!??!!
2016-06-06T10:42:02 < Getty> qyx: thanks, any link to any of those scripts would be appreciated
2016-06-06T10:42:07 < dongs> i think getty has been infected by ohsix autism
2016-06-06T10:42:23 < Getty> no, i am just having a precise requirement which you 100% ignored and assume i am here at board design level
2016-06-06T10:42:23 < dongs> Getty: http://hackaday.com/2015/03/09/execution-tracing-on-cortex-m-microcontrollers/
2016-06-06T10:42:42 < Getty> as i explained before: its about display that data, nothing more, and context is PRODUCTION not DEVELOPMEN
2016-06-06T10:42:46 < dongs> if you're at "oh fuck, I need to log some shit and I have nothing but SWO available" point in production, you're already fucked anyway
2016-06-06T10:43:04 < dongs> i think one of the uarts can be AF'd on a SWO pin
2016-06-06T10:43:09 < Getty> dongs: that is 100% not helpful, the ITM/SWO runs, its all there, i dont have any problem here
2016-06-06T10:43:10 < dongs> assuming youre on a F0/F3/F4
2016-06-06T10:43:20 < Getty> dongs: it is 100% as i said now several times, only about fucking display the fucking data on a fucking windows
2016-06-06T10:43:33 < Getty> cause on a fucking linux this all just disappears cause i can just fucking read the fucking SWO/ITM
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2016-06-06T10:43:41 < AmarOk_> crt: yeap but it's not my problem now :)
2016-06-06T10:43:46 < dongs> oh, the problem is lunix then
2016-06-06T10:43:46 < dongs> bbl
2016-06-06T10:43:52 < Getty> ?!?!?!?!??!!?!
2016-06-06T10:43:59 < jpa-> Getty: umm, how do you do it on linux if you can't do it on windows?
2016-06-06T10:43:59 < Getty> i said explicit that linux is not the problem
2016-06-06T10:44:16 < Getty> jpa-: i use my own simple itm parsing script in perl
2016-06-06T10:44:27 < jpa-> so do the same on windows?
2016-06-06T10:44:33 < Getty> but then i must distribute it
2016-06-06T10:44:36 < Getty> so i must make it all installed
2016-06-06T10:44:41 < Getty> and that is a chain of a different complexity
2016-06-06T10:44:58 < Getty> i tried, but there is a problem with guaranteeing that some modules i use in there are installed
2016-06-06T10:45:00 < Getty> so i cant guarantee that
2016-06-06T10:45:06 < jpa-> so umm.. your problem is that making windows installers is too difficult?
2016-06-06T10:45:08 < qyx> so your perl script is wrong
2016-06-06T10:45:12 < Getty> no.....
2016-06-06T10:45:18 < Getty> oh shit fuck, if you guys want to discuss perl stuff
2016-06-06T10:45:22 < Getty> then lets go to a perl channel
2016-06-06T10:45:33 < qyx> I don't get the whole point then
2016-06-06T10:45:36 < jpa-> i just don't see the problem
2016-06-06T10:45:37 < Getty> fuckshit.... so you say there _IS_ nothing to read it
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2016-06-06T10:45:40 < Getty> beside my perl script?
2016-06-06T10:45:54 < Getty> i am the master of simple ITM/SWO reading? noone else made any tool to read it?
2016-06-06T10:46:04 < jpa-> read it how? dongs already told that e.g. keil shows it, the stlink tool shows it also etc. i think
2016-06-06T10:46:13 < Getty> ohsix: GIMME THAT INFORMATION... HOW TO MAKE IT DISPLAYED
2016-06-06T10:46:29 < Getty> it is like you seem all to never have done what i do all day on the linux and now just wanna do on windows too
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2016-06-06T10:46:35 < qyx> if I were your customer and was forced to install some cortex development tools to display things IN PRODUCTION from our product, I would trash it
2016-06-06T10:46:46 < Getty> ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
2016-06-06T10:46:49 < Getty> and THAT is NOT the case
2016-06-06T10:46:55 < Getty> what the fuck are you all building up here
2016-06-06T10:47:02 < Getty> this is madness
2016-06-06T10:47:11 < jpa-> Getty: you are just not making sense
2016-06-06T10:47:19 < Getty> noone here is actually caring about he case, you are changing requirements, and in the end noone answered the SIMPLE QUESTION yet
2016-06-06T10:47:24 < Getty> jpa-: i asked very specific
2016-06-06T10:47:27 < Getty> jpa-: with technical details
2016-06-06T10:47:34 < Getty> jpa-: if someone imagines new details, i cant do anything
2016-06-06T10:47:46 < Getty> ohsix: i can do CON output for the ITM stream
2016-06-06T10:47:46 < jpa-> so you want custom software that does exactly what you want, and you are surprised it doesn't exist yet?
2016-06-06T10:47:51 < Getty> ohbsix: which i already siad is already working fine
2016-06-06T10:47:58 < Getty> YESA
2016-06-06T10:48:01 < Getty> there is a .C code
2016-06-06T10:48:05 < Getty> and all i fucking asked
2016-06-06T10:48:08 < Getty> and i can just repeat it
2016-06-06T10:48:15 < Getty> is there SOMETHING ready compiled for windows or not
2016-06-06T10:48:18 < Getty> _that_ was the only quesiton here
2016-06-06T10:48:32 < jpa-> well, atleast: keil IDE, stlink tool
2016-06-06T10:48:35 < jpa-> probably others
2016-06-06T10:48:38 < Getty> stlink tool
2016-06-06T10:48:43 < Getty> yeah that is the fallbnack option
2016-06-06T10:48:46 < Getty> so there is no fucking command line tool?
2016-06-06T10:48:48 < Getty> on the complete world?
2016-06-06T10:48:56 < Getty>  i have the only existing ITM/SWO command line reading tool in the world?
2016-06-06T10:48:57 < Getty> ok
2016-06-06T10:48:58 < Getty> good to know
2016-06-06T10:49:00 < jpa-> windows users are not big on command line
2016-06-06T10:49:11 < Getty> openocd CANT produce TEXTf rom itg
2016-06-06T10:49:14 < Getty> i explained that now 3 times
2016-06-06T10:49:17 < Getty> i can just repeat it again
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2016-06-06T10:49:25 < Getty> OpenOCD doesnt make TEXT out of the ITM stream
2016-06-06T10:49:29 < qyx> wtf is this conversation
2016-06-06T10:49:34 < Getty> it keeps it as ITM stream i need itmdump to display it
2016-06-06T10:49:37 < jpa-> but yeah, there is not nice packaged command line tool that i know of - just various random scripts
2016-06-06T10:49:44 < Getty> there is no itmdump INSIDE openocd that i know of, please correct me if i am wrong
2016-06-06T10:49:56 < Getty> where?
2016-06-06T10:50:00 < Getty> not on my dist
2016-06-06T10:50:10 < Getty> ohsix: right, you dont know
2016-06-06T10:50:23 < Getty> ohsix: so..... pointing me to this without knowing if ther eis any solution in that, sounds weird for me ;)
2016-06-06T10:50:46 < jpa-> can't you just pipe the data to itmdump?
2016-06-06T10:50:53 < Getty> jpa-: which itmdump???
2016-06-06T10:50:59 < jpa-> https://github.com/arduino/OpenOCD/blob/master/contrib/itmdump.c
2016-06-06T10:51:00 < jpa-> for example
2016-06-06T10:51:05 < Getty> that is just a C snippet
2016-06-06T10:51:08 < Getty> i would have to make it to a program
2016-06-06T10:51:16 < jpa-> uh, yes, you might have to compile it
2016-06-06T10:51:20 < jpa-> is that so horrible?
2016-06-06T10:51:47 < Getty> to compile that would make a little stress given that its a aindows yes
2016-06-06T10:51:56 < Getty> and normally i just take some compiled .exe of someone
2016-06-06T10:51:59 < Getty> which is all i am asking for
2016-06-06T10:52:04 < jpa-> compiling stuff for windows is not rocket science
2016-06-06T10:52:11 < Getty> but if there is no solution for this super easy problem beside actually making science project out of it, then so be it
2016-06-06T10:52:24 < Getty> it just sounds retarded and sorry if you guys make it more complex as i asked it, i dont need it more complex i just wanted that one information
2016-06-06T10:52:28 < jpa-> lol, science project of compiling one .c or installing perl on windows
2016-06-06T10:52:37 < Getty> jpa-: it is for sure not the fun i want beside that "Itmdump" is the most stupid ssolution for this
2016-06-06T10:52:44 < Getty> a live rteading script (which is the one i have) wouldbn e better
2016-06-06T10:52:54 < jpa-> itmdump does it on fly AFAIK?
2016-06-06T10:52:56 < Getty> but again: the core question is not what we talk about here ;)
2016-06-06T10:53:11 < Getty> AFAIK.............
2016-06-06T10:53:12 < Getty> yeah whatever
2016-06-06T10:53:13 < Getty> so i see
2016-06-06T10:53:31 < Getty> no new information here
2016-06-06T10:53:45 < qyx> instead of raging here for 15 minutes you could have it done by now
2016-06-06T10:53:47 < jpa-> it seems to me that you just do not know how to build & run programs on windows, and are angry about that
2016-06-06T10:54:08 < Getty> no, i am confused about why there is nothing ready to go
2016-06-06T10:54:11 < jpa-> i suggest the solution of learning to use windows, if that is what you have to use
2016-06-06T10:54:22 < jpa-> how is itmdump not ready to go?
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2016-06-06T10:54:43 < Getty> ok if that is the way to go then i try to compile this somehow here and use that, but as said
2016-06-06T10:54:43 < jpa-> there isn't really a big market for pre-built command line tools on windows
2016-06-06T10:54:46 < Getty> that is not like the elegant way
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2016-06-06T10:54:52 < Getty> given that this should be a core information flow for some people
2016-06-06T10:54:55 < dongs>  < Getty> ohsix: so..... pointing me to this without knowing if ther eis any solution in that, sounds weird for me ;)
2016-06-06T10:55:04 < dongs> Getty: welcome to ohsix. please just type /ignore ohsix, as he's full of this kind of advice
2016-06-06T10:55:32 < Getty> ohsix: yeah, and if you do the hours of reading up on that i did, you might find out that it is not there to parse the ITM
2016-06-06T10:55:34 < Getty> ;)
2016-06-06T10:55:40 < jpa-> Getty: most people don't use SWO output in production, so they want it integrated to IDE or whatever; and most people just write a quick 10 minute script for a quick 10 minute job, instead of making something nice and reusable for you to download
2016-06-06T10:55:57 < dongs> basically waht I said
2016-06-06T10:56:00 < dongs> but he insists
2016-06-06T10:56:01 < Getty> jpa-: its LITERALLY PRODUCTION, not abstract PRODUCTION SELLING
2016-06-06T10:56:04 < dongs> that he'll use swp in production
2016-06-06T10:56:12 < Getty> for the PRODUCTION OF THE HARDWARE, in REAL
2016-06-06T10:56:19 < Getty> that they can TEST the hardware to say "thats good, lets send it out"
2016-06-06T10:56:21 < jpa-> Getty: yes? that's what i meant
2016-06-06T10:56:31 < jpa-> you can do that, sure
2016-06-06T10:56:31 < Getty> so what is now not normal on that
2016-06-06T10:56:40 < Getty> to make the device self testing
2016-06-06T10:56:44 < dongs> Getty: beacuse usually you use a uart or something useful for that
2016-06-06T10:56:46 < Getty> i have no idea why this is awkward, strange or anything stupid
2016-06-06T10:56:49 < Getty> ?!?!?!?!?
2016-06-06T10:56:52 < jpa-> it does not sound stupid
2016-06-06T10:56:53 < Getty> so i add More connectors?
2016-06-06T10:56:56 < Getty> for...... what?
2016-06-06T10:56:56 < jpa-> but it is not very common
2016-06-06T10:57:07 < dongs> Getty: no, you set AF to some existing pin and use uart on it
2016-06-06T10:57:12 < jpa-> so that's why there isn't that much ready made software
2016-06-06T10:57:13 < Getty> the device for reading SWO/ITM is the same device they use to program the Chips
2016-06-06T10:57:16 < dongs> i set uart to AF on some PWM output pin
2016-06-06T10:57:21 < dongs> on existing connector
2016-06-06T10:57:21 < Getty> i have no idea why i should add ANOTHER PORT
2016-06-06T10:57:24 < Getty> just to bring up some ASCII chars
2016-06-06T10:57:24 < dongs> you dont
2016-06-06T10:57:36 < dongs> you board already has some connectors on it
2016-06-06T10:57:38 < Getty> no
2016-06-06T10:57:43 < Getty> thereis no UART connector
2016-06-06T10:57:46 < dongs> really, so its just a fucking stm32 in teh center of pcb and nothign else on it
2016-06-06T10:57:47 < Getty> why should there?
2016-06-06T10:57:48 < jpa-> but it seems to me that the stlink swo program does what you want, i.e. display the SWO data on screen
2016-06-06T10:57:51 < qyx> he said SOME
2016-06-06T10:57:57 < Getty> dongs: well it has no fucking UART that is not needed
2016-06-06T10:58:05 < Getty> why i should add a connector for a port noone needs?
2016-06-06T10:58:08 < jpa-> Getty: why are you so angry?
2016-06-06T10:58:13 < dongs> not a connetor
2016-06-06T10:58:17 < Getty> ohsix: EXACTLY ITS JUST BYTE GARBAGE.... as i said now several times
2016-06-06T10:58:23 < dongs> i presume you're testing wiht some pogopins/test fixture
2016-06-06T10:58:25 < dongs> just add a fucking pad
2016-06-06T10:58:28 < dongs> or whatever
2016-06-06T10:58:36 < Getty> jpa-: cause all the people assume here is that i do stupid things
2016-06-06T10:58:45 < dongs> you ARE doing stupid things
2016-06-06T10:58:51 < dongs> several people have told you this already
2016-06-06T10:58:51 < Getty> dongs: no
2016-06-06T10:58:54 < Getty> dongs: no
2016-06-06T10:58:56 < jpa-> Getty: https://developer.mbed.org/components/SWO-viewer/   just use this?
2016-06-06T10:59:02 < Getty> dongs: they talked about other things, not mine
2016-06-06T10:59:05 < dongs> when I wanted production testing output, last thing on my mind was " lets use SWO for this "
2016-06-06T10:59:23 < jpa-> dongs: using SWO for production testing output does not seem stupid to me
2016-06-06T10:59:43 < jpa-> it seems reasonable if one already uses SWD for production programming
2016-06-06T10:59:47 < Getty> jpa-: yeah? that is using the STLink for the SWO/ITM display? which i already approved is a fallback solution for that?
2016-06-06T11:00:08 < Getty> jpa-: thanks, yes, its all reasonable i do here
2016-06-06T11:00:14 < jpa-> Getty: so you are just refusing everything because they are not exactly what you want
2016-06-06T11:00:26 < Getty> and all i want to do is minimize the stress around it, but you guys let it explode it, i really dont want to ask anymore anything..... its like a rat race
2016-06-06T11:00:29 < jpa-> Getty: the thing you are not reasonable about is your rant and rage here
2016-06-06T11:00:36 < Getty> jpa-: i would like to stay on text mode, yes
2016-06-06T11:00:47 < Getty> jpa-: that was the PRIME requirement i said at the beginning and several times in between
2016-06-06T11:00:53 < dongs> http://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-navy-idUSKCN0YS0CL lol japs
2016-06-06T11:01:03 < Getty> i just cant believe there is none ready
2016-06-06T11:01:07 < jpa-> Getty: yes, that's not common on windows, that's why it doesn't exists ready-to-made without compiling stuff etc.
2016-06-06T11:01:24 < jpa-> most windows users want a gui, not a command line thing
2016-06-06T11:01:44 < Getty> jpa-: yeah most windows uses dont produce hundreds of those devices ;)
2016-06-06T11:01:50 < jpa-> if i were you, i'd just cook up a quick C# app to do the production stuff, it doesn't even need any real installation
2016-06-06T11:02:01 < dongs> jpa, the effort needed to display swo in production completely invalidates any possible (none) advantages that it has over usart_tx pin which can actually be AF'd on that pin on F0 and F3
2016-06-06T11:02:06 < Getty> ohsix, jpa-: there is btw also no cool GUI tool for this beside the integrated STLink stuff
2016-06-06T11:02:06 < jpa-> Getty: yeah, so it should be no surprise it doesn't exist
2016-06-06T11:02:16 < Getty> ohsix, jpa-: there is no "here file, show ITM" program, i didnt found one
2016-06-06T11:02:17 < jpa-> dongs: the effort is pretty trivial really
2016-06-06T11:02:26 < dongs> jpa, not as trivial as running putty.exe
2016-06-06T11:02:35 < Getty> __all__ solutions are haivng more around
2016-06-06T11:02:52 < jpa-> dongs: well, trivial enough to run stlink serial wire viewer
2016-06-06T11:03:07 < jpa-> Getty: seems itmdump is that
2016-06-06T11:04:08 < jpa-> Getty: compiling stuff for windows is no different from compiling stuff for other platforms, you can even install mingw on your linux box and just type  x64-mingw-gcc -o itmdump -Wall itmpdump.c
2016-06-06T11:05:06 < jpa-> Getty: and regarding the cool GUI tool, keil has one and i'd assume there are more ITM GUI tools also
2016-06-06T11:06:50 < jpa-> much rage was had, finally quiet
2016-06-06T11:06:59 < Getty> jpa-: keil integrates one, not "has one independent as tool that you can just start", or am i wrong?
2016-06-06T11:07:09 < jpa-> Getty: yes, it is integrated
2016-06-06T11:07:19 < jpa-> that is the windows way, you get a software that does many things
2016-06-06T11:07:21 < Getty> jpa-: well i know all this, and that is why i came here so thanks for approving what i know ;)
2016-06-06T11:07:40 < Getty> jpa-: well i am just confused why noone made this given openocd option to just spit out to console
2016-06-06T11:08:09 < Getty> i am even more confused why openocd just cant display it out of band ;)
2016-06-06T11:08:14 < jpa-> Getty: itm stuff in openocd is pretty new anyway, maybe you can discuss with PaulFertser whether that exists or if you should contribute it?
2016-06-06T11:08:23 < Getty> already m essaged him yesterday
2016-06-06T11:08:28 < Getty> thats why i am desperate enough to ask here
2016-06-06T11:09:12 < jpa-> why would you be desperate, when the problem is so trivial?
2016-06-06T11:09:31 < Getty> jpa-: sorry that i am questioning the scene and try to see if the scene doesnt offer a real solution that is commonly used
2016-06-06T11:09:48 < Getty> jpa-: please accept that some people care more as just "meh i dont care for the rest of the world if i solved it"
2016-06-06T11:10:02 < jpa-> eh?
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2016-06-06T11:59:46 < Getty> yeah it gets super annoying when the people drift away from the actual question and start explaining the bees and flowers ;)
2016-06-06T12:00:55 < Getty> yeah that was what i was also doing
2016-06-06T12:01:18 < dongs> i should grow some mushrooms
2016-06-06T12:01:26 < dongs> im fucking sick of the jap mushrooms they taste like shit
2016-06-06T12:02:49 < karlp> what's growing out the back of englishman's?
2016-06-06T12:03:11 < qyx> http://www.susenehuby.sk/images/nakhub_1.jpg
2016-06-06T12:03:14 < qyx> you should come here
2016-06-06T12:03:32 < dongs> yeah i want the shit with round spores
2016-06-06T12:03:35 < dongs> not the leaf shit
2016-06-06T12:03:43 < dongs> all jap stuff is leaf, and thin and crap tasting
2016-06-06T12:04:08 < qyx> like this http://www.nahuby.sk/images/fotosutaz/2007/jan_reznik2007_54804.jpg
2016-06-06T12:04:26 < dongs> looks big
2016-06-06T12:04:35 < qyx> and not this http://www.nahuby.sk/images/fotosutaz/2013/11/19/slavomir_zidek_429808.jpg
2016-06-06T12:06:58 < dongs> rite, jap shit is all like 2nd type. they used to sell champignon in a store here few years ago but for some reason stopped
2016-06-06T12:07:08 < dongs> which is still leafy but at least doesnt taste like shit
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2016-06-06T12:09:40 < karlp> ohsix: sure you can read itm data live.  openocd can dump it to a file/fifo, and you can use http://git.zapb.de/swodec.git/ and libswo from the same place to decode it while it streams.
2016-06-06T12:11:20 < karlp> Getty: ITM isn't meant ot be magically "text" openocd's output format is perfectly suitable, it can't know what you're doing with your data stream for you
2016-06-06T12:13:11 < karlp> getty, if you want windows to just "display" it, you can just use the windows stlink tool too...
2016-06-06T12:13:28 < dongs> why im not seeing getty chat?
2016-06-06T12:13:35 < dongs> did he /nick ohsix+something?
2016-06-06T12:13:40 < dongs> or youre just reading backscroll
2016-06-06T12:14:19 < karlp> heh, want to use perl pacakges instead of compiling a single c file... ;)
2016-06-06T12:14:27 < Getty> karlp: no?!?!?!?!
2016-06-06T12:14:43 < Getty> karlp: explicit asked for a different solution, and yes the stlink tool option is known, i referenced to it several times
2016-06-06T12:15:00 < Getty> karlp: and i am confused what you wanted to tell me about the OpenOCD output now
2016-06-06T12:15:21 < Getty> karlp: if the debug data is only text, why it shouldnt be able to display it?
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2016-06-06T12:19:14 < karlp> because how would it know it's "text"
2016-06-06T12:19:21 < Getty> karlp: i could tell him?
2016-06-06T12:19:23 < karlp> thatð's like "what encoding is this text file using"
2016-06-06T12:19:31 < Getty> karlp: yes, sure, i could tell him
2016-06-06T12:19:32 < karlp> yeah, you can do that with any of the tools that parse the binary dump
2016-06-06T12:19:41 < Getty> so we are going into circle again
2016-06-06T12:19:44 < Getty> ;)
2016-06-06T12:19:50 < karlp> no, you would have a command line tool.
2016-06-06T12:20:00 < karlp> I'm just going to laugh at your ranting again :)
2016-06-06T12:20:05 < Getty> actually would prefer a openocd | tool situation
2016-06-06T12:20:22 < Getty> which can be actually done, cause openocd can make CON (or -) as output and it works fine
2016-06-06T12:20:53 < Getty> ohsix: thats not helpful
2016-06-06T12:21:04 < Getty> ohsix: its not like that the ascii chars are in there, else i would already be happy
2016-06-06T12:21:20 < Getty> beside... does strings exist on windows? ;)
2016-06-06T12:21:43 < Getty> well if we are up to jokes, then i should try Acme::Magic::Pony
2016-06-06T12:21:45 < Getty> might work too
2016-06-06T12:24:03 < Getty> those are just the next dead brain cells
2016-06-06T12:24:55 < Getty> "trying"? ;) i dont wanna see what i get when they dont try ;)
2016-06-06T12:26:04 < karlp> openocd -f configfile_with_trace_file_or_fifo; tail -f tracefile | swodec -c [pick,what,channels] --dump-inst if it's text, or not of it its numeric...
2016-06-06T12:26:27 < karlp> you know you can do things like dump variables in binary to different hcannels instead of calling printf and umping it on a single channel right?
2016-06-06T12:26:56 < Getty> karlp: yes and i know, don't know why this is now relevant
2016-06-06T12:26:58 < karlp> also, because you deserve it, if you're a mighty perl hacker, and you can't package a perl binary for windows. that'
2016-06-06T12:27:01 < karlp> s _your_ problem
2016-06-06T12:27:13 < Getty> karlp: i can explain the sub problem here to you if you want
2016-06-06T12:27:19 < Getty> karlp: its not like i cant package no perl script in the world
2016-06-06T12:27:27 < Getty> karlp: but in this specific case there is a little problem with one module i use
2016-06-06T12:27:42 < Getty> karlp: and if you would be in any way competent to help me on that i would ask you that or explain it to here
2016-06-06T12:27:55 < Getty> karlp: but my brain tells me that this is not the channel to discuss a specific perl packaging problem
2016-06-06T12:28:07 < karlp> ooooh, poor diddums I used some other module that I can't make wrok on windows.  must blame ##stm32
2016-06-06T12:28:10 < Getty> karlp: but if you want, we can discuss that, no problem, i am just confused why we should
2016-06-06T12:28:16 < Getty> karlp: ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??
2016-06-06T12:28:21 < karlp> you're the l33t perl hacker.
2016-06-06T12:28:25 < Getty> karlp: are you braindead or somethign? where did i blamed anyone?!
2016-06-06T12:28:49 < Getty> and it works on windows, i just cant make a distributable package, i would rely on an independent perl installation which dont want them to have for this situation
2016-06-06T12:28:56 < Getty> yeah sorry, but this is stupid
2016-06-06T12:29:05 < karlp> yep :)
2016-06-06T12:29:10 < Getty> you say shit i never said, you assume situations i never described, and overall you never actually answer the question
2016-06-06T12:29:11 < Getty> beside NOW you did
2016-06-06T12:29:12 < dongs> nobody on windows wants perl
2016-06-06T12:29:17 < dongs> if you want me to use your shit on window,s use C
2016-06-06T12:29:18 < Getty> with first time someone saying "swodec"
2016-06-06T12:29:24 < Getty> now i can seek for something
2016-06-06T12:29:25 < Getty> you know
2016-06-06T12:29:29 < Getty> ______THAT______ was the question
2016-06-06T12:29:31 < Getty> just to repeat
2016-06-06T12:29:40 < Getty> "is there a ufcking command line for reaidng ITM"
2016-06-06T12:29:43 < Getty> that was all of the question
2016-06-06T12:29:44 < Getty> NOTHING MORE
2016-06-06T12:29:53 < Getty> the rest was added up by you guys.... so just saying.... that was all i wanted to hear "swodec"
2016-06-06T12:30:04 < Getty> get, why i am so confused why we made 28374982379723429 lines for this?!
2016-06-06T12:30:11 < Getty> just saying...... you guys made it big, my question was supersimple
2016-06-06T12:31:13 < Getty> karlp: now you just need to tell me where swodec comes from
2016-06-06T12:31:17 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/5pbbt7Y.jpg retweeting
2016-06-06T12:31:18 < karlp> I did.
2016-06-06T12:31:28 < karlp> 09:09 < karlp> ohsix: sure you can read itm data live.  openocd can dump it to a file/fifo, and you  can use http://git.zapb.de/swodec.git/ and libswo from the same place to decode it  while it streams.
2016-06-06T12:31:36 < karlp> but hey, it's gonna have to be compiled
2016-06-06T12:31:39 < karlp> so you're going to rant a bit more...
2016-06-06T12:31:50 < karlp> it's just a more reliable version of itmdump
2016-06-06T12:32:03 < Getty> thats already better
2016-06-06T12:32:14 < dongs> is it in C?
2016-06-06T12:33:32 < dongs> wow libswo even has pleasing indentation
2016-06-06T12:33:41 < dongs> almost nothing wrong wiht it except  for 8space taps
2016-06-06T12:33:43 < dongs> tabs
2016-06-06T12:33:46 < dongs> everything else is perfect
2016-06-06T12:34:05 < karlp> yeah, it handles all the edge cases that itmdump and myown swopy didn't handle properly.
2016-06-06T12:34:19 < dongs> does have a bit of retardation regarding text width > 80 chars
2016-06-06T12:34:23 < dongs> cuz it isnt 2016 i guess
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2016-06-06T12:34:53 < dongs> http://git.zapb.de/libswo.git/tree/libswo/decoder.c#n328 like, Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
2016-06-06T12:35:05 < Sync> because why not
2016-06-06T12:35:14 < dongs> there's a million why nots
2016-06-06T12:35:16 < dongs> to that
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2016-06-06T12:37:53 < dongs> im still looking through libswo, wehre the fuck does it acutally decode manchester shit?
2016-06-06T12:38:35 < dongs> gah all those memcpys in buffer.c
2016-06-06T12:38:38 < dongs> terrible
2016-06-06T12:39:26 < dongs> is calling C code from C++ now called "bindings"?
2016-06-06T12:40:00 < karlp> dongs: libswo just decodes the binary dump format, not the wire levels.
2016-06-06T12:40:06 < dongs> oh
2016-06-06T12:40:10 < dongs> what he fuck, completely useless
2016-06-06T12:40:20 < karlp> well, depends what you're plugging it into...
2016-06-06T12:40:32 < PaulFertser> dongs: manchester vs uart is done on hw level, not libswo.
2016-06-06T12:40:33 < karlp> it supports what jlink and stlink dump out from openocd
2016-06-06T12:40:53 < dongs> karlp: and thats already decoded manchester?
2016-06-06T12:41:07 < karlp> dongs: "decoded" manchester or uart style nrz yeah
2016-06-06T12:41:14 < dongs> mkay
2016-06-06T12:41:19 < dongs> also, jlink+openocd? why would anyone do that
2016-06-06T12:41:20 < PaulFertser> dongs: stlink doesn't support manchester itself, not sure about jlink.
2016-06-06T12:41:29 < dongs> jlink has gdbserver
2016-06-06T12:41:34 < dongs> and swoviewer or someshit
2016-06-06T12:41:43 < karlp> ohsix: swo is ~ same speed as uart....
2016-06-06T12:42:15 < dongs> why would ohsix even care
2016-06-06T12:42:19 < PaulFertser> dongs: the usecase you have in mind is not the only one. OpenOCD comes handy in many other cases you do not think of.
2016-06-06T12:43:12 < PaulFertser> Getty: sorry, missed the discussion
2016-06-06T12:43:19 < Getty> "discussion" ;)
2016-06-06T12:43:45 < PaulFertser> Getty: so what's the question now?
2016-06-06T12:44:16 < Getty> the main question is what command line tools are there beside itmdump, i "imagined" that i cant be the first one who just want openocd | tool.exe
2016-06-06T12:44:22 < Getty> but it seems i am (at least on windows)
2016-06-06T12:45:28 < karlp> you do realize how small a group of people you're working withen when your starting position is, "manufacturing, windows, console only, must be precompiled" right?
2016-06-06T12:45:36 < karlp> oh, and "must be free"
2016-06-06T12:45:57 < karlp> because I'm pretty sure trace32 and friends have plenty of "pro" manufacturing tools and jlink too fo ryou
2016-06-06T12:46:23 < dongs> > just want openocd | tool.exe
2016-06-06T12:46:24 < dongs> no
2016-06-06T12:46:27 < dongs> nobody on windows wants that
2016-06-06T12:46:37 < dongs> i can guarantee you that
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2016-06-06T12:46:58 < dongs> there's like zero reasons to use openocd on windows anyway
2016-06-06T12:47:17 < dongs> first the ftdi disaster that wasn't free enough to include fast libs, so its garbage wiht 99% of jtag probes out there
2016-06-06T12:47:27 < dongs> jlink has its own gdbserver
2016-06-06T12:48:38 < PaulFertser> dongs: current openocd doesn't need any libs at all to work with ftdi in the fastest possible way. And it's several times faster for debugging OMAPs and AMs than the TI's official tool.
2016-06-06T12:58:43 < karlp> that's the stuff everyone wants to try charging for.
2016-06-06T12:58:50 < karlp> and the free tools do still kinda suck at that.
2016-06-06T13:06:55 < karlp> yes, massaging cortex swo output into a format that lttng stuff can read would be a good target
2016-06-06T13:07:18 < karlp> getting it into any formt that this can swallow would also work: https://www.google.is/?ion=1&espv=2#q=trace%20compass
2016-06-06T13:07:35 < karlp> the fuck
2016-06-06T13:07:41 < karlp> https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/tools.tracecompass
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2016-06-06T13:13:31 < karlp> what?
2016-06-06T13:13:51 < karlp> no, I mena, that's a big free trace package, it has all the grpahing and timelining of exeuction stuff
2016-06-06T13:14:11 < karlp> it just is currently setup to handle userspace and linux kernel traces,
2016-06-06T13:14:28 < karlp> correct, inteded to post the latter.
2016-06-06T13:20:54 < Sync> oh that is actually relatively seksi
2016-06-06T13:23:11  * karlp rubs is hands... more people seeded with the idea...
2016-06-06T13:24:50 < Sync> well nxp already has shits that uses it
2016-06-06T13:25:03 < dongs>  karlp you're expecting way too much from autism6
2016-06-06T13:25:06 < dongs> nothing will be done
2016-06-06T13:25:52 < dongs> oh, nice
2016-06-06T13:26:02 < dongs> another chinaregistry.cn spam email
2016-06-06T13:26:47 < dongs> http://www.europeandomaincentre.com/pages/news-room/domain-management-news/hey!-got-an-email-from-china-domain-name-registration-center-asian-domain-registration-service-in-china-the-department-of-registration-service-in-china-etc.#.V1VP4OZ96DM
2016-06-06T13:40:19 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/chinese-aids/32390612494.html  fuck thats cheap
2016-06-06T13:41:07 < Sync> I see what you did there
2016-06-06T13:42:08 < Sync> yeah they are suprisingly cheap
2016-06-06T13:43:06 < kakimir> guise
2016-06-06T13:43:11 < karlp> what does "hub75" mean?
2016-06-06T13:43:15 < kakimir> I need nee phoone
2016-06-06T13:43:23 < dongs> karlp: hub75?
2016-06-06T13:43:29 < kakimir> 75ohm?
2016-06-06T13:43:44 < dongs> karlp: oh. thats the driver related shit
2016-06-06T13:43:50 < dongs> they have fpga+ethernet shits
2016-06-06T13:44:13 < kakimir> I want the best camera phoone for my next phoone
2016-06-06T13:44:24 < dongs> kakimir: then buy a camera
2016-06-06T13:44:28 < dongs> and continue using phone
2016-06-06T13:44:32 < Sync> karlp: type of the panel
2016-06-06T13:45:44 < kakimir> dslr doesn't upload my shit to cloud
2016-06-06T13:45:58 < kakimir> dslr is never there when needed
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2016-06-06T13:46:09 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/get-scammed/32451398530.html
2016-06-06T13:47:43 < kakimir> dslr is way too expensive action camera
2016-06-06T13:50:20 < jpa-> bah, i have some crappy code that crashes.. but don't feel like rewriting it until i know why it crashes
2016-06-06T13:50:45 < BrainDamage> so never
2016-06-06T13:50:53 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/ebike-controller/blob/master/src/bike_control_task.c#L65   seems to get stuck in braking=true sometimes
2016-06-06T13:51:01 < dongs> kakimir: nikon L340 will rape any current phone in quality and can be had for <$120
2016-06-06T13:51:22 < jpa-> it's supposed to increase stallcount when motor is stopped externally, and then only continue after brake is down for 1-5 seconds
2016-06-06T13:53:48 < kakimir> I need some wireless connectivity to my camera then
2016-06-06T13:53:57 < kakimir> if it really is camera
2016-06-06T13:54:03 < kakimir> not phone
2016-06-06T13:55:36 < kakimir> also I'm in team Canon anyways
2016-06-06T13:55:44 < kakimir> just remembered that
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2016-06-06T14:00:27 < kakimir> eye-fi
2016-06-06T14:00:32 < kakimir> any good?
2016-06-06T14:01:53 < jpa-> i tried some eyefi card, never got it to work
2016-06-06T14:02:17 < jpa-> the windows software is crap
2016-06-06T14:02:24 < kakimir> software?
2016-06-06T14:02:38 < kakimir> doesn't sound any promissing that
2016-06-06T14:03:07 < kakimir> only right way would be to do some sort of network drive thing
2016-06-06T14:04:13 < zyp> I have an eye-fi card somewhere, worked okay enough but yeah, the software is crap
2016-06-06T14:04:33 < karlp> don't know why canon slrs aren't doing it standard yet,
2016-06-06T14:04:45 < zyp> arent't they?
2016-06-06T14:04:47 < karlp> canon g-series all does wifi, and my sister at least claims it works very well.
2016-06-06T14:04:58 < karlp> haven't actually looked at the current gen of canon dslrs
2016-06-06T14:06:31 < kakimir> even the android app has comments like "reliability issues"
2016-06-06T14:06:39 < kakimir> "sometimes works, sometimes doesn't"
2016-06-06T14:07:10 < zyp> karlp, 70D does wifi, and that was released three years ago
2016-06-06T14:07:34 < zyp> apparently 80D added NFC pairing
2016-06-06T14:08:11 < zyp> I have a 60D, it got built-in support for configuring eye-fi
2016-06-06T14:08:21 < kakimir> some use for that NFC shiet
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2016-06-06T14:21:19 < karlp> zyp: ah, ok, just not in the "small" range.
2016-06-06T14:21:48 < karlp> so yeah, maybe that was the conversation I had with my sister, G-series had it all, but x00 series didn't
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2016-06-06T14:23:30 < zyp> karlp, 750D and 1300D also got wifi
2016-06-06T14:24:10 < dongs> pretty sure almost every point and shoot has wifi shit now
2016-06-06T14:24:14 < zyp> also 6D
2016-06-06T14:24:18 < dongs> with automatic facefuck posting
2016-06-06T14:24:28 < zyp> but the higher end ones still lack built-in wifi
2016-06-06T14:24:54 < zyp> i.e. 7D/5D/1D
2016-06-06T14:26:54 < karlp> yeah, I have a 550d, my sister had a 700d or something then, so yeah, everything _now_ does.
2016-06-06T14:33:00 < karlp> hm, no, I only have a 500d
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2016-06-06T14:48:14 < dongs> I believe we are all here on Kickstarter to make a creator's product a reality. When I say reality, I mean providing funds to kick-start everything (with them having a working prototype beforehand, of course). Everyone has a choice whether to fund or to FO. If you feel it's not a safe thing to fund, then by all means, don't fund. Don't stick around here and incite toxicness.
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2016-06-06T15:43:54 < Rob235> hmm sublime text is pretty nice
2016-06-06T16:01:12 < jadew> dongs, about that accident, the guy in the red car made a u turn on a section of road where he wasn't allowed to
2016-06-06T16:01:35 < jadew> how do you call it when there's a continous line separating the two sides of the road?
2016-06-06T16:01:44 < jadew> Rob235, it's very hipsterish, yes
2016-06-06T16:03:30 < Rob235> I just call it a solid line
2016-06-06T16:04:13 < Rob235> don't cross the solid line!
2016-06-06T16:04:48 < aandrew> yeah I love sublime
2016-06-06T16:08:53 < jadew> my collegues also love it, personally I couldn't get used to it
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2016-06-06T16:22:18 < mra90> aandrew: sublime text editor ?
2016-06-06T16:22:41 < mra90> what's so special about it ?
2016-06-06T16:23:17 < mra90> and it's not free as far as I know
2016-06-06T16:23:49 < jadew> mra90, black background and has the apple look
2016-06-06T16:24:55 < jadew> but tbh, I wouldn't mind a better editor than notepad++ to be available
2016-06-06T16:25:43 < mra90> jadew, you have eclipse IDE ;)
2016-06-06T16:26:06 < mra90> rich in all different features
2016-06-06T16:26:07 < jadew> that never ran well on my setup
2016-06-06T16:26:25 < mra90> but I agree sublime looks awesome
2016-06-06T16:26:25 < jadew> well, it worked, but it wasn't satisfactory
2016-06-06T16:26:45 < mra90> and is very intuitive
2016-06-06T16:26:53 < aandrew> mra90: nope, not free. it is just a good editor. cross platform, pretty smart about remembering where you're at, multitab, multiwindow and multicolumn. lots of features I don't tend ot use though
2016-06-06T16:27:04 < aandrew> I use vim and sublime
2016-06-06T16:28:22 < mra90> "multitab" ohh common do you know eny editor beside windows note which doesn't have multitab :P ?
2016-06-06T16:28:28 < mra90> any*
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2016-06-06T20:55:52 < Laurenceb__> anyone here any good with linux kernel modules?
2016-06-06T20:55:59 < Laurenceb__> I seem to have an issue with iwlwifi
2016-06-06T20:56:12 < Laurenceb__> ERROR: modinfo: could not find module iwlwifi
2016-06-06T20:56:26 < Laurenceb__> yet its there is /lib/firmware
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2016-06-06T21:00:11 < zyp> it says it can't find the module, not the firmware
2016-06-06T21:00:15 < zyp> check /lib/modules
2016-06-06T21:01:56 < Laurenceb__> ah ok
2016-06-06T21:01:59 < Laurenceb__> wow what a mess
2016-06-06T21:04:29 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: you can use "modinfo" to see information about modules.
2016-06-06T21:04:36 < Laurenceb__> ok
2016-06-06T21:04:44 < Laurenceb__> I seem to be missing iwlwifi.ko
2016-06-06T21:04:55 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: all modules that are properly present can be found with this: find /lib/module/`uname -r`
2016-06-06T21:05:22 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: if you're trying to work with a PCI device then the module would get autoloaded if it supports your device.
2016-06-06T21:05:28 < Laurenceb__> ok
2016-06-06T21:05:29 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: please tell me vid/pid of your card.
2016-06-06T21:06:07 < Laurenceb__> its pci
2016-06-06T21:06:09 < Laurenceb__> 05:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation WiFi Link 1000 Series
2016-06-06T21:06:19 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: lspci -nn
2016-06-06T21:06:36 < Laurenceb__> ah      8086:0084
2016-06-06T21:07:46 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: should work with "iwlagn"
2016-06-06T21:07:53 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: isn't it already loaded on your system?
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2016-06-06T21:08:41 < Laurenceb__> command not found
2016-06-06T21:08:49 < Laurenceb__> its not loaded no
2016-06-06T21:08:49 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: you can check if wireless device is recognised with "iw dev" and capabilities with "iw link"
2016-06-06T21:09:06 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: what kernel version is that?
2016-06-06T21:09:06 < Steffanx> did you manually move stuff around again Laurenceb__?
2016-06-06T21:09:13 < Laurenceb__> no devices
2016-06-06T21:09:37 < Laurenceb__> this is 2.6.32
2016-06-06T21:09:47 < zyp> haha
2016-06-06T21:09:51 < zyp> that's ancient
2016-06-06T21:10:19 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: no kidding?
2016-06-06T21:10:34 < Laurenceb__> yup, old machine
2016-06-06T21:10:44 < zyp> 2.6.32 is over six years old
2016-06-06T21:11:06 < PaulFertser> You can try to compile "backports" for that machine but I'm not sure they still support 2.6.32.
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2016-06-06T21:11:42 < Laurenceb__> ok I'll try to see if I can find the missing files on old drives
2016-06-06T21:12:04 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: Current versions of backports support all mainline kernels starting with version 3.0, for kernel versions older than 3.0 please use backports-3.14, which supports all kernel versions back to 2.6.26.
2016-06-06T21:12:18 < Laurenceb__> ok
2016-06-06T21:12:20 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: you can't find "missing files" if your device wasn't supported back then...
2016-06-06T21:12:29 < PaulFertser> https://backports.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page
2016-06-06T21:12:35 < Laurenceb__> the machine used to work
2016-06-06T21:12:40 < Laurenceb__> back when it was last touched
2016-06-06T21:13:00 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: who and how could have removed kernel modules?..
2016-06-06T21:13:14 < PaulFertser> And why can't you just use package manager to reinstall that?
2016-06-06T21:13:15 < Laurenceb__> PaulFertser: there was some filesystem corruption
2016-06-06T21:13:36 < Laurenceb__> I probably could if I knew the correct modules
2016-06-06T21:14:02 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: all kernel modules come in one package usually. What distro is that?
2016-06-06T21:14:06 < Laurenceb__> ubuntu
2016-06-06T21:14:21 < Laurenceb__> ok I've added the ubuntu backports repo
2016-06-06T21:14:26 < Laurenceb__> it seems to be able to hit it
2016-06-06T21:15:16 < Laurenceb__> wifi works with a live cd
2016-06-06T21:15:31 < Laurenceb__> so its not hardware
2016-06-06T21:16:01 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: you can see what "linux-image*" package you've got and apt-get install --reinstall it.
2016-06-06T21:18:49 < Laurenceb__> sudo apt-get --reinstall linux-image-$(uname -r)
2016-06-06T21:18:52 < Laurenceb__> like that?
2016-06-06T21:19:14 < Laurenceb__> will install added lol
2016-06-06T21:19:40 < Laurenceb__> seems to be running ok
2016-06-06T21:22:37 < Laurenceb__> should it be reastrted now?
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2016-06-06T21:32:29 < jadew> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d1/14/56/d114567cdbba8249f2c374eeaad0aa02.jpg
2016-06-06T21:32:31 < Steffanx>  time to get some ssd Laurenceb, save on reboot time.
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2016-06-06T22:10:29 < PaulFertser> Laurenceb__: no need to restart after modules reinstall usually.
2016-06-06T22:10:51 < Laurenceb__> ok
2016-06-06T22:10:55 < Laurenceb__> well its working now thanks
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2016-06-06T22:11:16 < PaulFertser> Heh
2016-06-06T22:11:24 < englishman> karlp: what *isnt* growing?
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2016-06-06T23:11:21 < Laurenceb__> lul this exists
2016-06-06T23:11:22 < Laurenceb__> http://www.recovergopro.com/
2016-06-06T23:11:30 < Laurenceb__> failpro is fail
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2016-06-06T23:34:35 < qyx> lol no 2.6.32
2016-06-06T23:39:35 < kakimir> installed google drive desktop
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2016-06-06T23:40:01 < kakimir> shitposting shitty boards and such just got a bit easier
2016-06-06T23:42:46 < mra90> which online shops are recommended to order chips ?
2016-06-06T23:43:55 < kakimir> mouser
2016-06-06T23:44:09 < kakimir> 50eur order has free shipping or so
2016-06-06T23:44:47 < kakimir> prices are low average
2016-06-06T23:45:20 < mra90> kakimir: thanks
2016-06-06T23:45:34 < kakimir> there is digikey too
2016-06-06T23:45:37 < brianx> futureelectronics.com is very low on some chip version.
2016-06-06T23:45:57 < kakimir> and if you are murican there is more shops
2016-06-06T23:46:09 < brianx> for mine, in qty 10, they were 2/3 what mouser wanted.
2016-06-06T23:46:41 < kakimir> mra90: if you are after cheapest findchips.com
2016-06-06T23:46:54 < kakimir> enter product id and boom
2016-06-06T23:47:12 < kakimir> order code*
2016-06-06T23:47:33 < mra90> ok thanks for recommendation
2016-06-06T23:49:40 < kakimir> wholy shiette gogole drive has perfectly functional explorer integration
2016-06-06T23:50:37 < kakimir> meh
2016-06-06T23:50:46 < kakimir> files do not load
2016-06-06T23:53:39 < kakimir> it's the windowshoto viewer that doesn't comply
2016-06-06T23:55:15 < Lux> use dropbox if you want something that really works
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2016-06-06T23:57:34 < kakimir> it's 2016
2016-06-06T23:58:11 < Lux> and google drive still sucks
--- Day changed Tue Jun 07 2016
2016-06-07T00:04:20 < kakimir> fucking hell
2016-06-07T00:04:36 < kakimir> I wondered why my network was unusable
2016-06-07T00:04:54 < kakimir> drive decided to sync all the shit I don't need
2016-06-07T00:04:54 < kakimir> locally
2016-06-07T00:05:30 < kakimir> this sync concept must work well when you have 120GB SSD and 1TB drive
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2016-06-07T01:36:49 < kakimir> yes
2016-06-07T01:36:54 < kakimir> or even dropbox
2016-06-07T01:39:05 < kakimir> don't do that
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2016-06-07T01:58:11 < englishman> lol what kind of scam canadian site is this, filedropper
2016-06-07T02:01:19 < kakimir> classical shitte
2016-06-07T02:02:04 < kakimir> lot of ads and scripts running trying to get anything out of the visitor
2016-06-07T02:05:17 < kakimir> it took only what... 20years to then relevant cyber vision to come true?
2016-06-07T02:08:15 < kakimir> to the point when technology is so inexpensive that vision becomes unevitable
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2016-06-07T02:24:03 < machinehum> Does anyone know where to get the STM32 clock config tool?
2016-06-07T02:24:43 < machinehum> I guess it's been depricated by that cube thing
2016-06-07T02:28:00 < dongs> jadew: mhm
2016-06-07T02:31:40 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiNFXcI9Rb8
2016-06-07T02:31:47 < Laurenceb__> crazy bitch is crazy
2016-06-07T02:32:11 < Sync> http://imgur.com/gallery/CnEC5Qc typical day in japland
2016-06-07T02:32:13 < Sync> inb4 old
2016-06-07T02:32:36 < machinehum> wow
2016-06-07T02:32:46 < machinehum> It's an excel file, that's cool
2016-06-07T02:33:18 < machinehum> I kept seeing .xls and figured you would configure a spreadsheet then run some script
2016-06-07T02:33:28 < machinehum> Not it's just fully built with macros
2016-06-07T02:33:33 < machinehum> nope*
2016-06-07T02:33:35 < machinehum> cool
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2016-06-07T02:43:27 < englishman> Laurenceb__:
2016-06-07T02:43:30 < englishman> its founders have raised over $700 million from investors, valuing the company at $9 billion, without their testing device ever being subject to peer-reviewed study
2016-06-07T02:43:31 < englishman> lel
2016-06-07T02:45:12 < Laurenceb__> Elizabeth Holmes is god, Einstein was brilliant but compared to Elizabeth Holes he was a retard
2016-06-07T02:45:21 < Laurenceb__> I love youtube comments
2016-06-07T02:45:28 < jadew> so what's the story there?
2016-06-07T02:45:34 < englishman> she and ivan should get together
2016-06-07T02:45:43 < jadew> and where the hell do these investors come from?
2016-06-07T02:45:53 < jadew> where can I find them? I have awesome ideas too
2016-06-07T02:54:45 < jadew> so, is she in jail yet?
2016-06-07T02:55:16 < englishman> no, shes famous
2016-06-07T02:55:19 < englishman> shes in usa
2016-06-07T02:55:26 < englishman> jail is not even an option
2016-06-07T02:55:34 < Lux> so is it a hypetrain or real ?
2016-06-07T02:56:17 < jadew> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-18/theranos-ceo-devastated-after-being-exposed
2016-06-07T02:56:26 < Lux> definetly looks pretty surreal to me
2016-06-07T02:58:01 < jadew> of course it's a hypetrain
2016-06-07T02:59:03 < jadew> actually, it's a scam
2016-06-07T03:00:29 < jadew> some guy in the comments section had an interresting thought
2016-06-07T03:01:00 < jadew> it's possible these sort of cons are other people's ideas, the guys doing the initial investment
2016-06-07T03:01:06 < jadew> they just need a front man
2016-06-07T03:02:21 < jadew> they ride it as new investment comes in and then they pull out, leaving the idiot who agreed to it, looking like a fraud
2016-06-07T03:02:54 < Lux> ya, that's just retarded
2016-06-07T03:04:37 < jadew> she probably got a lot of nice things with those 700 mil tho
2016-06-07T03:04:52 < jadew> well, at least a part of it
2016-06-07T03:16:09 < Laurenceb__> or its a CIA DNA grab
2016-06-07T03:16:38 < Laurenceb__> then again I got UKP4M for capillary refill
2016-06-07T03:18:12 < Laurenceb__> so look who is talking
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2016-06-07T03:26:11 < Laurenceb__> wow Ian Gibbons "committed suicide"
2016-06-07T03:26:18 < Laurenceb__> this is some crazy shit
2016-06-07T03:26:33 < Laurenceb__>  (Ian Gibbons is guy on original Theranos patents)
2016-06-07T03:41:25 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/jb21v1i.jpg
2016-06-07T03:45:13 < jadew> good one
2016-06-07T03:45:20 < jadew> I'll bookmark it and show it to my mother in law
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2016-06-07T04:02:18 < aandrew> ok, so the way I have TIM2 set up (upcounter, PWM mode 1) the output is low. that means that the compare reg is >= counter value
2016-06-07T04:02:41 < aandrew> I'm seeing the counter value count form 0-2000 and over and over again, but the output is stuck at 1
2016-06-07T04:03:56 < aandrew> so why's the fucking output stuck low, this doesn't make sense
2016-06-07T04:05:30 < aandrew> aha!
2016-06-07T04:05:33 < aandrew> CCER was not written
2016-06-07T04:05:35 < aandrew> now I have some PWMs
2016-06-07T04:09:15 < englishman> henry kissinger on board of directors
2016-06-07T04:09:25 < englishman> holy shit the crookedness
2016-06-07T04:10:06 < englishman> maybe it was a poorly covered up attempt to inject communism into americans
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2016-06-07T04:17:57 < aandrew> so the trick is that HAL_TIM_PWM_ConfigChannel (the only HAL way I see that lets you change the compare value directly) disables the output
2016-06-07T04:18:11 < aandrew> you need to call HAL_TIM_PWM_Start() after calling HAL_TIM_PWM_ConfigChannel()
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2016-06-07T06:08:24 < fenugrec> Hi ##re, shot in the dark: does this so-called "crc" algorithm look familiar ? https://filebin.net/7asxfpa9see8ywlr
2016-06-07T06:09:24 < fenugrec> usage is CheckAuthCode(string1, string2). Returns 1 if the checksum is good, 0 otherwise.
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2016-06-07T07:07:09 < fenugrec_> ohsix: nice, thanks for taking a look. Indeed I pasted in the wrong channel; glad I did P-)
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2016-06-07T07:09:48 < PeterM> holy fuckign shit
2016-06-07T07:09:50 < PeterM> <Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/jb21v1i.jpg
2016-06-07T07:10:00 < PeterM> Laurenceb posted something mildly amusing!
2016-06-07T07:13:19 < fenugrec_> ohsix: yes, ida5 free
2016-06-07T07:15:08 < fenugrec_> for debugging I much prefer ollydbg, so I'm always using both ida and olly anyway. I can just patch the return value for my needs, but I was gambling that maybe it look sufficiently like a standard algo that I could whip up a "keygen" without too much sweat.
2016-06-07T07:15:30 < dongs> ida has a debugger
2016-06-07T07:15:49 < dongs> olly is fucking awful, especially on anything > 1024x768 monitor
2016-06-07T07:15:58 < dongs> its like they used unreadable 8x8 pixel font on purpose
2016-06-07T07:16:01 < dongs> and dont scale on 4K
2016-06-07T07:16:52 < fenugrec_> dongs: nah, olly rules. shitty UI maybe, but such power.
2016-06-07T07:17:42 < fenugrec_> x64dbg just isn't there yet, by a far shot.
2016-06-07T07:23:49 < dongs> fenugrec_: my debugging needs must be prety basic as i find ida debugger enough
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2016-06-07T09:26:17 < boB_K7IQ> Nice info
2016-06-07T09:26:35 < dongs> there has been nothing said for the last hour
2016-06-07T09:26:39 < dongs> what "nice info'; are you talking about
2016-06-07T09:27:04 < dongs> or for the last 3 hours if you dont count joins/parts
2016-06-07T09:27:54 < boB_K7IQ> The info about the Science channel upcoming show
2016-06-07T09:28:06 < boB_K7IQ> about 20+ minutes ago I think
2016-06-07T09:28:15 < boB_K7IQ> message for ReadError
2016-06-07T09:28:20 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/AOnnNn89.html
2016-06-07T09:29:50 < boB_K7IQ> That's OK.  I see it here from a bit ago
2016-06-07T09:30:04 < boB_K7IQ> Still good info
2016-06-07T09:30:47 < dongs> doesnt sound like STM32 related
2016-06-07T09:30:52 < dongs> and most likely came from autism6
2016-06-07T09:31:43 < boB_K7IQ> Came from ohsix
2016-06-07T09:31:52 < dongs> unfortunate
2016-06-07T09:32:06 < boB_K7IQ> I see a lot of STM32 unrelated stuff here
2016-06-07T09:32:12 < boB_K7IQ> Using an STM32F446 part
2016-06-07T09:32:19 < boB_K7IQ> I am Using an STM32F446 part
2016-06-07T09:32:23 < boB_K7IQ> that is
2016-06-07T09:33:05 < boB_K7IQ> What I have from my recent history here is...
2016-06-07T09:33:07 < boB_K7IQ> [11:03.11] <ohsix> ReadError: Did you know that batteries can be used to grow corn, and soft and fluffy mattresses can be transformed into sharp edged－knives? And, computers are filled with precious metals just waiting to be discovered and reused. It’s all here–and more–on all-new Science Channel series－“Made By Destruction.” 0 info on internette yet but first 2 eps were posted, dunno if good
2016-06-07T09:33:38 < dongs> boB_K7IQ: thanks for pasting autism garbage, now I'll have to ignore you as well
2016-06-07T09:33:43 < dongs> boB_K7IQ, I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on.
2016-06-07T09:34:32 < boB_K7IQ> Great.  I never see anything about STM32 from you here anyway
2016-06-07T09:34:51 < dongs> you can now fly off to ##stm32-without-dongs to have a chat
2016-06-07T09:35:26 < emeb_mac> lol
2016-06-07T09:35:45 < boB_K7IQ> How come I keep seeing things from dongs ?
2016-06-07T09:35:52 < boB_K7IQ> about not seeing things
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2016-06-07T09:36:17 < dongs> emeb_mac: do you write your gcc makefiles by hand
2016-06-07T09:36:21 < dongs> or let shit like eclipse make them
2016-06-07T09:36:29 < emeb_mac> dongs: by hand
2016-06-07T09:36:33 < boB_K7IQ> I use IAR
2016-06-07T09:36:36 < dongs> fuck.
2016-06-07T09:36:44 < emeb_mac> I've got a basic template that I mod for new parts / projects
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2016-06-07T09:36:49 < dongs> ah.
2016-06-07T09:36:56 < dongs> yeah I might have to look at some sample shit and justr try editing it
2016-06-07T09:37:05 < emeb_mac> pretty easy
2016-06-07T09:37:10 < dongs> need to send shit off to someone who isnt gonna be using keil (sorry for htem)
2016-06-07T09:37:17 < dongs> so i should probly make shit build with gcc
2016-06-07T09:37:59 < emeb_mac> dongs: got some clients looking at that VisualStudio interface to STM32
2016-06-07T09:38:05 < emeb_mac> seem pretty happy with it
2016-06-07T09:38:27 < dongs> visualgdb or whatever right?
2016-06-07T09:38:28 < emeb_mac> they're all Windows programmers though, so they love VS
2016-06-07T09:38:29 < dongs> but thats payware
2016-06-07T09:38:41 < emeb_mac> yeah. pretty cheap tho
2016-06-07T09:38:48 < dongs> yeah these fucks arent gonna pay shit
2016-06-07T09:38:48 < emeb_mac> like $80/seat
2016-06-07T09:39:23 < emeb_mac> apparently it just sits on top of GCC/GDB/Make/OpenOCD
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2016-06-07T09:39:51 < emeb_mac> these guys complain about *everything*
2016-06-07T09:39:56 < dongs> **  project. Distribution of this file (unmodified or modified) is not
2016-06-07T09:39:56 < dongs> **  permitted. Ac6 permit registered System Workbench for MCU users the
2016-06-07T09:39:56 < dongs> **  rights to distribute the assembled, compiled & linked contents of this
2016-06-07T09:40:09 < emeb_mac> but there's been less complaining about this, so looks like a win
2016-06-07T09:40:47 < dongs> 2015 changed autocomplete thing
2016-06-07T09:40:59 < dongs> everytime i am writing code in it im raging because it works diffrently from all the other versions
2016-06-07T09:41:10 < dongs> i think they made needing to tab expllicit when you have something in candidate list selected
2016-06-07T09:41:15 < dongs> as before it worked on space or enter or some other key
2016-06-07T09:42:14 < emeb_mac> been doing a lot more work with those Lattice ice40 ultra parts last few weeks
2016-06-07T09:42:26 < emeb_mac> seem pretty nice so far. Tools aren't bad
2016-06-07T09:42:42 < emeb_mac> getting some fairly hefty stuff running in that 4k part
2016-06-07T09:42:58 < dongs> neat
2016-06-07T09:43:21 < emeb_mac> I'm using the Lattice tools - ultra not supported by the FOSS toolchain
2016-06-07T09:43:42 < dongs> i think im gonna stick these gcc parts under teh " autism " folder in my project
2016-06-07T09:43:47 < dongs> the .S and .ld
2016-06-07T09:43:53 < emeb_mac> haha
2016-06-07T09:45:17 < dongs> hm and probably make it indepenednet from keils CMSIS
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2016-06-07T09:51:05 < dongs> oo
2016-06-07T09:51:08 < dongs> found a makefile that might work
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2016-06-07T10:12:11 < dongs> wow, pro shit
2016-06-07T10:12:14 < dongs> compiled at first try
2016-06-07T10:13:22 < dongs> i'
2016-06-07T10:13:29 < dongs> m the master of opensores autism
2016-06-07T10:15:00 < dongs> of course it doenst acutalyl boot
2016-06-07T10:15:01 < dongs> ahaha
2016-06-07T10:15:09 < dongs> at least .bin looked about the size it should hae been
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2016-06-07T10:34:41 < dongs> welll, thats gonna get shelved until i feel less lazy.
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2016-06-07T11:28:47 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/PoGEsss.gifv vapist detected
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2016-06-07T11:35:42 < mra90> dongs: vapist ?
2016-06-07T11:35:52 < mra90> what actually hapened ?
2016-06-07T11:36:41 < jpa-> ecig explosion
2016-06-07T11:37:48 < mra90> jpa-, yes but what caused explosion ?
2016-06-07T11:38:00 < jpa-> overstressed lipo
2016-06-07T11:38:04 < qyx> I bet he used a battery with "fire" in its name
2016-06-07T11:38:46 < jpa-> putting a lipo next to a heater and then running it at overcurrent and without low-voltage cutoff is a relatively good way to make it unhappy
2016-06-07T11:39:58 < mra90> so the copy machine had something to do with it ?
2016-06-07T11:40:41 < qyx> no
2016-06-07T11:40:44 < mra90> but heat ? There wasn't any heat source there ?
2016-06-07T11:41:01 < jpa-> the ecig is itself a heater
2016-06-07T11:41:01 < qyx> there is in the cigar
2016-06-07T11:41:15 < jpa-> i think he just accidentally knocks it against the copy machine or something
2016-06-07T11:41:26 < jpa-> and that causes it to go over the edge
2016-06-07T11:41:35 < qyx> but nice fireworks though
2016-06-07T11:41:39 < mra90> ;)
2016-06-07T11:41:52 < jpa-> "didn't explode, just vented with fire"
2016-06-07T11:58:42 < dongs> ya dumb vapists just short the pack
2016-06-07T11:58:46 < dongs> into the heater coil
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2016-06-07T12:14:57 < AmarOk_> anyone got a working cca02m1?
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2016-06-07T12:18:00 < dongs> wat
2016-06-07T12:18:10 < dongs> oh nucleo
2016-06-07T12:18:11 < dongs> no, doubtful
2016-06-07T12:22:33 < Ecco> Hey
2016-06-07T12:22:41 < Ecco> I'm trying to drive a TFT panel
2016-06-07T12:23:01 < Ecco> So far I have a screen that erratically blinks
2016-06-07T12:23:13 < Ecco> It's like fully white
2016-06-07T12:23:21 < Ecco> but it's kinda bliking
2016-06-07T12:23:57 < Ecco> I've no idea how to diagnose what's wrong
2016-06-07T12:28:36 < Ecco> ok
2016-06-07T12:28:48 < Ecco> Well I really don't think it's a power issue
2016-06-07T12:28:57 < Ecco> I'm using a 110 mA LDO
2016-06-07T12:29:03 < Ecco> and the backlight takes 80 mA
2016-06-07T12:29:09 < Ecco> so that's 30 mA just for the controller
2016-06-07T12:29:24 < Ecco> Also the blinking speed isn't constnat at all
2016-06-07T12:29:48 < Ecco> and it's very subtle
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2016-06-07T12:33:11 < karlp> englishman: that time of the year I guess :) shit's growing hard and fast here too.
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2016-06-07T13:19:17 < Ecco> it's an st7789
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2016-06-07T13:37:18 < dongs> ecco, don't make a mistake of taking advice from autism6
2016-06-07T13:37:30 < dongs> you'll be installing lunix and your problems still wont be solved
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2016-06-07T14:12:15 < qyx> why are those ADC calibration values on different addresses on each family :S
2016-06-07T14:24:08 < karlp> because st are dum
2016-06-07T14:24:22 < karlp> why are the temp sensor and internal reference not always on the same cahnnel numbers?
2016-06-07T14:24:43 < karlp> why are the device signature bytes at aidfferent addresses?
2016-06-07T14:24:51 < karlp> why are the flash size registers at different addresses?
2016-06-07T14:25:59 < qyx> nah
2016-06-07T14:31:27 < ReadError> > click PDF
2016-06-07T14:31:31 < ReadError> > forced download
2016-06-07T14:31:37 < ReadError> most annoying shit ever
2016-06-07T14:34:52 < karlp> very user dpendent it seems
2016-06-07T14:35:11 < karlp> people hate either a) pdfs opening in browser or b) pdfs not opening in browser
2016-06-07T14:35:36 < karlp> I tend to hate c) pdfs converted to some online flash flying page bulshit instead of a) or b)
2016-06-07T14:39:17 < dongs> i fucking hate PDFs opened in browser
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2016-06-07T14:39:21 < dongs> because i have acrobad fucking reader
2016-06-07T14:39:25 < dongs> for fine PDF rendering
2016-06-07T14:39:30 < dongs> i dont need some chrome javascript bullshit
2016-06-07T14:52:09 < qyx> my super pro adc calibration working
2016-06-07T14:53:01 < qyx> now I can compare the internal temp sensor to a dedicated i2c one
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2016-06-07T15:32:18 < jadew> dongs, what browser?
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2016-06-07T15:33:31 < jadew> for FF you have this: about:preferences#applications
2016-06-07T15:33:45 < jadew> for chrome: chrome://plugins/
2016-06-07T15:39:10 < ReadError> wake n vape
2016-06-07T15:39:19 < ReadError> I rather have PDFs open in browser originally
2016-06-07T15:39:24 < ReadError> if I want it, Ill save it
2016-06-07T15:39:32 < ReadError> but having to download a PDF to view it is just wrong
2016-06-07T15:43:28 < BrainDamage> you download it anyway
2016-06-07T15:43:38 < BrainDamage> the difference is ram vs hd
2016-06-07T15:43:46 < BrainDamage> or hd wherever vs hd cache
2016-06-07T15:43:49 < BrainDamage> depending on setting
2016-06-07T15:44:02 < BrainDamage> it's not magic pixie dust
2016-06-07T15:44:02 < ReadError> yes, I dont want the *file* sitting around
2016-06-07T15:44:12 < ReadError> and the extra boxes/steps
2016-06-07T15:44:18 < ReadError> click, open like an image
2016-06-07T15:44:21 < ReadError> simple concept
2016-06-07T15:44:26 < BrainDamage> i have dl to a temp dir cleaned on boot, and auto open with pdf browser
2016-06-07T15:44:42 < ReadError> yes but some PDFs you cant just click and view
2016-06-07T15:44:46 < ReadError> they want to be downloaded
2016-06-07T15:45:13 < BrainDamage> that's because the content mime is set as binary
2016-06-07T15:45:21 < BrainDamage> so the browser has no idea what they are
2016-06-07T15:45:26 < ReadError> yes this is the root of the problem
2016-06-07T15:45:40 < ReadError> i just want to click a pdf and have it open in a new tab
2016-06-07T15:45:49 < ReadError> its 2016, dont think thats asking too much
2016-06-07T15:45:50 < BrainDamage> complain to the site author
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2016-06-07T15:46:31 < ReadError> im about to start complaining to you, guy
2016-06-07T15:47:02 < BrainDamage> ¯\(º_o)/¯
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2016-06-07T15:55:54 < Blatinox> does anybody know how I can inform ST of an error that I found in a reference manual ?
2016-06-07T16:01:18 < englishman> i have a few open tickets with them for that stuff, their reply time is 8-20 months
2016-06-07T16:01:35 < englishman> But the reporting tool is on their site.
2016-06-07T16:02:40 < ReadError> TIL: South Koreans drink 2x more alcohol than Russians
2016-06-07T16:05:33 < dongs> > their reply time is 8-20 months
2016-06-07T16:05:34 < dongs> lol
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2016-06-07T16:13:52 < Blatinox> englishman: I cannot find this reporting tool, is it only available with an account ?
2016-06-07T16:14:09 < ReadError> thats a feature of the ST site
2016-06-07T16:14:13 < ReadError> not being able to find shit
2016-06-07T16:15:10 < englishman> No idea on the new site, they removed everything and replaced it with whitespace ala google
2016-06-07T16:15:23 < englishman> They really want microchip to succeed
2016-06-07T16:15:38 < Blatinox> is there a place where all errors in st documentation are listed ?
2016-06-07T16:15:46 < Rob235> whats up
2016-06-07T16:16:43 < Cicero-MF> 8-20months, haha. Only slightly slower than their whatever aids infested webserver they host their site on then
2016-06-07T16:17:25 < ReadError> pretty sure their IT dept was in india
2016-06-07T16:17:55 < ReadError> Tech Name: DNS Master
2016-06-07T16:17:55 < ReadError> Tech Organization: STMicroelectronics
2016-06-07T16:17:55 < ReadError> Tech Street: Plot N. 1, Knowledge Park III
2016-06-07T16:17:55 < ReadError> Tech City: Greater Noida
2016-06-07T16:17:55 < ReadError> Tech State/Province: .
2016-06-07T16:17:56 < ReadError> Tech Postal Code: 201308
2016-06-07T16:17:56 < ReadError> Tech Country: IN
2016-06-07T16:17:57 < ReadError> Tech Phone: +33.442685849
2016-06-07T16:18:01 < ReadError> least some of it is....
2016-06-07T16:18:52 < PeterM> tracert bru
2016-06-07T16:19:25 < ReadError> http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/16009900/kimbo-slice-dies-age-42
2016-06-07T16:20:07 < ReadError> PeterM nah, Tech* is the only important bit for their IT team
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2016-06-07T16:22:25 < ReadError> global load balancing and all
2016-06-07T16:24:09 < Cicero-MF> PeterM, "bru"...you from Durban or something?
2016-06-07T16:25:13 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/5MmDFxN.jpg
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2016-06-07T16:33:48 < Ecco> Damn that TFT panel is driving me nuts
2016-06-07T16:34:02 < Ecco> Now it just doesn't display anything
2016-06-07T16:34:05 < Ecco> I don't know what I changed
2016-06-07T16:34:08 < Ecco> but it just remains white
2016-06-07T16:34:17 < dongs> Ecco: did y ou see i pasted f4 dma code for neodixel
2016-06-07T16:34:20 < Ecco> I've been logic-anlyzing that stuff for over an hour
2016-06-07T16:34:26 < Ecco> dongs: No I didn't
2016-06-07T16:34:31 < Ecco> but I'm far from DMA-ing anything just yet
2016-06-07T16:34:46 < dongs> its probly in logs
2016-06-07T16:34:47 < Ecco> I'm trying to simply initialize the panel and get it to do anything
2016-06-07T16:34:50 < dongs> its out of m y scrollback
2016-06-07T16:36:56 < Ecco> Same
2016-06-07T16:37:13 < Ecco> Is it possible to kill an LCD panel using 3.3V ?
2016-06-07T16:37:23 < Ecco> I'm wondering if I killed it :-/
2016-06-07T16:38:05 < dongs> no
2016-06-07T16:38:07 < dongs> your timing is probably shit
2016-06-07T16:38:28 < Ecco> ok
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2016-06-07T16:38:45 < Ecco> At this point I've triple-checked everything hardware related
2016-06-07T16:38:59 < Ecco> On the logic analyzer, the pins are doing what I think they have to do
2016-06-07T16:39:14 < Ecco> yet the panel remains desperatly blank
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2016-06-07T16:53:08 < dongs> pics/links/etc
2016-06-07T16:54:04 < dongs> is this your calclator troll
2016-06-07T16:54:05 < dongs> or osmething else
2016-06-07T17:00:03 < Rob235> hmm not sure what I think of my design so far... https://www.dropbox.com/s/ybl611nss9e2gve/20160607_095013_7249_00.mp4?dl=0
2016-06-07T17:00:33 < Ecco> Here goes
2016-06-07T17:00:34 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/jb0MyeL.png
2016-06-07T17:01:12 < Ecco> Rob235: Nice PornHub tab
2016-06-07T17:01:43 < Rob235> hah you made me look
2016-06-07T17:04:04 < Ecco> :-p
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2016-06-07T17:16:04 < Rob235> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fe0jfkepkuubdxe/20160607_101327_2087_00.mp4?dl=0
2016-06-07T17:16:07 < Rob235> I think I like that better
2016-06-07T17:16:53 < dongs> http://pbx.mine.nu/ this is how a proper website should look like
2016-06-07T17:17:40 < Rob235> heh
2016-06-07T17:19:22 < dongs> who teh fuck makes websites in 2016 anyway
2016-06-07T17:19:28 < dongs> just link people to your twatter
2016-06-07T17:19:34 < dongs> https://twitter.com/zanoconspiracy like here
2016-06-07T17:19:34 < Rob235> who uses twitter?
2016-06-07T17:19:37 < dongs> everyone
2016-06-07T17:21:01 < Rob235> you would link to a twitter account in a resume? I'm kinda having fun working on the site anyway. it's like programming animations for the led strips
2016-06-07T17:21:09 < dongs> yes
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2016-06-07T17:42:34 < qyx> anyone knows about a low-cost serial datalogger?
2016-06-07T17:42:56 < dongs> err, -discovery or nucleo with a SD card breakout on it?
2016-06-07T17:43:05 < fenugrec_> qyx: cheap logic analyzer (5$) + sigrok (0$) ?
2016-06-07T17:43:06 < qyx> yep but too lazy
2016-06-07T17:43:17 < dongs> there's shit like openlog
2016-06-07T17:43:20 < dongs> which is fucking tarduino aids
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2016-06-07T17:43:33 < dongs> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13712
2016-06-07T17:44:59 < qyx> hm, I could arduino-up some mega on a breadboard with micro sd breakout
2016-06-07T17:45:00 < dongs> Note: The latest version of the firmware (included with this board) does not compile in Arduino 1.6.7. You will need to compile in 1.6.5.
2016-06-07T17:45:02 < qyx> and stole their firmware
2016-06-07T17:45:04 < dongs> lol
2016-06-07T17:45:14 < qyx> *steal
2016-06-07T17:46:14 < dongs> or a tarduino pro mini
2016-06-07T17:46:50 < qyx> or I could just use that odroid which I have around somewhere
2016-06-07T17:51:46 < dongs> i bet if you autogenerate some F0?F1-discovery firmware with cube
2016-06-07T17:51:53 < dongs> for FATFS, UART and SPI
2016-06-07T17:52:01 < dongs> you could probly write liek ~10 lines of code in while(1)
2016-06-07T17:52:03 < dongs> and log it
2016-06-07T17:53:46 < qyx> I need timestamping too
2016-06-07T17:53:53 < dongs> + RTC
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2016-06-07T18:57:52 < superware> I want to start off STM32, what basic hardware should I start with? something like http://www.dx.com/p/cortex-m3-stm32f103c8t6-stm32-development-board-w-swd-socket-st-link-v2-programmer-emulator-395848 ?
2016-06-07T18:59:56 < karlp> superware: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/stmicroelectronics/STM32F072B-DISCO/497-14098-ND/4502081 is probably a far better choice for the money
2016-06-07T19:00:06 < karlp> or http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/stmicroelectronics/STM32F3DISCOVERY/497-13192-ND/3522185
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2016-06-07T19:07:18 < fest> I'd suggest one of nucleo boards- those are a bit newer than discovery, and mbed compatible (in case you'll give up gcc toolchains and low-level HAL libs from STM)
2016-06-07T19:08:01 < superware> can these debug?
2016-06-07T19:08:25 < karlp> fest: only some of the nucleos are newer,
2016-06-07T19:08:37 < karlp> and very very few of them have a user USB port.
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2016-06-07T19:09:00 < karlp> superware: all of them have an debugger on the board, (nucleo and discovery boards) and they can be used with your own other boards later too
2016-06-07T19:09:22 < karlp> fest: also, all the new discoveries are "mbed compatible" too, fwiw
2016-06-07T19:10:26 < fest> karlp: ok, that invalidates my recommendation of nucleo. for one moment I was disappointed none of my discovery boards "were supported" by mbed
2016-06-07T19:10:38 < fest> but I soon figured out mbed is crap anyway
2016-06-07T19:10:44 < superware> why?
2016-06-07T19:11:13 < fest> too arduino-ish for my taste
2016-06-07T19:12:49 < superware> you mean "not low-level enough"?
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2016-06-07T19:14:15 < superware> so... what would you purchase to easily start off with maximum options/features and minimum price? :)
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2016-06-07T19:15:32 < fest> I'd say- too tightly integrated together. I wanted to add support for my own boards which turned out a lot more complicated than I expected
2016-06-07T19:16:45 < fest> karlp gave good examples
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2016-06-07T19:18:39 < superware> ok, thanks
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2016-06-07T20:46:58 < Ecco> What minimal demo, simple to use and tweak, would you recommend for the F4 discovery with LCD?
2016-06-07T20:47:20 < Ecco> I'd like something very very basic that would simply display random crap on the included LCD
2016-06-07T20:47:42 < Ecco> oh, found it
2016-06-07T20:47:46 < Ecco> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/tree/master/examples/stm32/f4/stm32f429i-discovery/lcd-serial
2016-06-07T20:47:49 < Ecco> this seems pretty good
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2016-06-07T21:00:43 < jadew> that new captcha shit is annoying
2016-06-07T21:01:08 < jadew> at first it was "it can tell if you're a bot just by observing you how click I'm not a robot"
2016-06-07T21:01:38 < jadew> now I have to identify all the objects from a bunch of photos
2016-06-07T21:01:40 < jadew> like a monkey
2016-06-07T21:02:26 < jadew> I guess next they'll have us complete a puzzle
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2016-06-07T21:39:20 < englishman> http://imgur.com/a/Q2RAd
2016-06-07T21:39:28 < englishman> no stm32 content but still fabulous ws2812b content
2016-06-07T21:44:13 < Ultrasauce> i was tying my head in knots the other day thinking about how to do that without wires between the boards
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2016-06-07T21:56:06 < ReadError> i wouldnt consider kimbo a serious mma dude
2016-06-07T21:56:14 < ReadError> named my first pistol 'kimbo slice'
2016-06-07T21:58:55 < Ultrasauce> think it requires more than 3 unique boards
2016-06-07T21:59:02 < Ultrasauce> it's not dissimilar to the vertex colouring problem
2016-06-07T21:59:18 < Ultrasauce> but you also have to worry about orientation of course
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2016-06-07T22:01:39 < Ultrasauce> i think the best general solution would be to put a mcu on each board and then use one symmetrical edge connector for all the boards putting them in parallel
2016-06-07T22:01:49 < Ultrasauce> that way you could scale up to arbitrary size and just do the addressing in software
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2016-06-07T22:11:23 < Tectu> emeb, ping
2016-06-07T22:11:30 < Tectu> or: dongs, ping
2016-06-07T22:11:52 < Tectu> ok
2016-06-07T22:12:23 < Tectu> diptrace stuff.
2016-06-07T22:12:55 < Ultrasauce> that is safe to assume
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2016-06-07T22:18:59 < zyp> dongs, hey, got some questions for you when you wake up
2016-06-07T22:19:13 < zyp> hilight me
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2016-06-07T23:08:33 < Ecco> Meh
2016-06-07T23:08:34 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/v5eOxGC.png
2016-06-07T23:11:07 < Steffanx> downloading from yourself Ecco?
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2016-06-07T23:12:07 < Ecco> ohsix: yes
2016-06-07T23:12:20 < Ecco> Steffanx: Just got FTTH :)
2016-06-07T23:13:03 < Ecco> well, not really random (0x00, 0x01, 0x02, etc…)
2016-06-07T23:14:09 < inca> any here using HCC usb drivers?
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2016-06-07T23:27:40 < zyp> HCC?
2016-06-07T23:31:16 < emeb> gah - missed Tectu
2016-06-07T23:31:29 < zyp> aww
2016-06-07T23:33:55 < Steffanx> Yeah, this guy should stop asking questions and then leave.
2016-06-07T23:36:00 < emeb> ohsix: dry
2016-06-07T23:36:17 < emeb> "it's a dry heave"
2016-06-07T23:37:04 < emeb> eh - all under 10k acres.
2016-06-07T23:37:24 < emeb> If I can't see the smoke plume from my office window it's not a real fire.
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2016-06-07T23:38:03 < emeb> Remember the Rodeo/Chedeski fire back about 15 yrs ago. 150mi away and I could see it.
2016-06-07T23:38:18 < emeb> 400k acres or so IIRC
2016-06-07T23:39:18 < emeb> my boss at the time had a cabin up there with a webcam
2016-06-07T23:39:34 < emeb> watched the fire burn all around his place but never touched him.
2016-06-07T23:40:56 < emeb> ah - that 8k acre Jack fire is not prescribed, but natural and under control.
2016-06-07T23:41:16 < emeb> And my current boss has a place near there. lol.
2016-06-07T23:42:11 < emeb> what they do for fun up there in the backwoods
2016-06-07T23:43:32 < jadew> are you guys aware of a cheap midi synth that can take as an input a midi keyboard and that works with soundfonts?
2016-06-07T23:44:49 < jadew> ohsix, I've considered the rPI, but I don't know if it can handle all the data processing
2016-06-07T23:45:37 < jadew> it's not much data to process, but it has to be able to output 10 tracks at once
2016-06-07T23:50:01 < emeb> jadew: I suspect that an rpi could do it.
2016-06-07T23:50:47 < zyp> rpi2 does too
2016-06-07T23:51:15 < emeb> soundfonts aren't particularly complicated - just samples with looping & dynamics.
2016-06-07T23:51:40 < emeb> could probably do it on an stm32 for a few voices.
2016-06-07T23:51:43 < jadew> that's good to know
2016-06-07T23:51:47 < jadew> maybe I'll get a rpi2 then
2016-06-07T23:55:25 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw_WcaZZj0o music times
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2016-06-08T00:03:33 < emeb> jadew: this would seem to be the ticket: http://www.fluidsynth.org/
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2016-06-08T00:06:15 < jadew> nice
2016-06-08T00:06:24 < jadew> thanks for the link
2016-06-08T00:08:12 < jadew> brb, food
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2016-06-08T00:24:57 < Rickta59> link ohsix ?
2016-06-08T00:26:21 < Rickta59> how many minutes in?
2016-06-08T00:27:56 < Rickta59> hmm .. the gieger counter?
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2016-06-08T00:28:50 < Rickta59> ah
2016-06-08T00:29:15 < Rickta59> heh .. what is blue bill .. did they mean blue pill?
2016-06-08T00:29:36 < Rickta59> yeah i made it
2016-06-08T00:29:41 < Rickta59> thanks
2016-06-08T00:29:54 < Rickta59> http://www.stm32duino.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=117
2016-06-08T00:30:22 < Rickta59> yeah i know
2016-06-08T00:30:30 < Rickta59> rick kimball==Rickta59
2016-06-08T00:31:50 < Rickta59> mine all work well now that i replaced the resistor
2016-06-08T00:32:02 < Rickta59> the schematics and my boards don't jive
2016-06-08T00:32:20 < Rickta59> close enough
2016-06-08T00:33:23 < Rickta59> some boards seem to be wired to the 5v instead of the 3.3
2016-06-08T00:33:55 < Rickta59> yeah there are like 4 variations
2016-06-08T00:34:16 < Rickta59> red ones .. seem the best except for the flimsy usb connectors
2016-06-08T00:34:44 < Rickta59> all my blue ones have been the same .. and nothing like the red
2016-06-08T00:36:25 < Rickta59> https://www.flickr.com/photos/50162569@N06/18077014292/ these are the ones i have
2016-06-08T00:37:01 < Rickta59> mine all came without soldered headers
2016-06-08T00:37:39 < Rickta59> all the blue that is .. the red have yellow ones
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2016-06-08T00:41:34 < Rickta59> any ebay link for the good ones?
2016-06-08T00:41:46 < Rickta59> all mine are probably a year old
2016-06-08T00:41:59 < Rickta59> and the newer ones i bought I opted for the BAITE maple mini clone
2016-06-08T00:42:29 < Rickta59> thanks
2016-06-08T00:43:05 < Rickta59> still amazingly priced
2016-06-08T00:43:39 < Rickta59> yeah the ones i have ..
2016-06-08T00:43:48 < Rickta59> 4 pins tying down the usb connector
2016-06-08T00:43:56 < Rickta59> that has 2 like my red boards
2016-06-08T00:44:34 < Rickta59> heh .. a mix of images
2016-06-08T00:44:40 < Rickta59> so you don't know what you will actually get
2016-06-08T00:45:29 < Rickta59> still a chip like that with all the passives for like $3 .. amazing
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2016-06-08T00:46:10 < Rickta59> i wonder why they were thinking
2016-06-08T00:46:14 < Rickta59> what
2016-06-08T00:46:46 < Rickta59> like converse seconds :) * grew up with converse sneaker rejects as a kid
2016-06-08T00:48:49 < Rickta59> have all yours had 128k?
2016-06-08T00:49:32 < Rickta59> 128k of flash
2016-06-08T00:50:18 < Rickta59> even though they are marked as C8 they seem to be able to take up to 128 like the CB
2016-06-08T00:50:52 < Rickta59> the baite ones are marked cb and they act that way
2016-06-08T00:51:49 < Rickta59> i find the broken out swd pins on the blue boards more convenient
2016-06-08T00:57:31 < Rickta59> I think I'm going to order a few of these http://www.hotmcu.com/stm32f103tb-arm-cortex-m3-development-board-p-222.html?cPath=1_20
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2016-06-08T01:21:23 < PaulFertser> Rickta59: what do you mean by "no preloaded bootloader"?
2016-06-08T01:24:55 < Rickta59> the people in the stm32duino forum want to have a 'maple bootloader'
2016-06-08T01:25:05 < Rickta59> i know there is the rom bootloader
2016-06-08T01:25:27 < Rickta59> for me the maple bootloader is a waste of rom
2016-06-08T01:25:28 < PaulFertser> Rickta59: heh, why do they want it?
2016-06-08T01:25:37 < Rickta59> because they are arduino idiots
2016-06-08T01:25:42 < Rickta59> and they think they need it
2016-06-08T01:26:24 < Rickta59> it fits into thier frame of mind that loading should be done on the usb cable
2016-06-08T01:26:34 < Rickta59> and debugging is done by printf
2016-06-08T01:26:52 < Rickta59> i was mainly commenting on the hardware
2016-06-08T01:27:37 < PaulFertser> If they lack uart adapter and swd debugger, that might make some sense... Though I'd expect a DFU/DFuSe bootloader, probably maple is one.
2016-06-08T01:27:38 < Rickta59> i just an stlink/bmp debugger/cmsis dap/raspberry pi as jtag to use them
2016-06-08T01:28:15 < PaulFertser> I've tested ROM bootloader on one of those boards, works just fine.
2016-06-08T01:28:21 < Rickta59> yeah and that too
2016-06-08T01:29:14 < Rickta59> so i wasn't dissing the board except in the context of the stm32duino crowd
2016-06-08T01:29:16 < PaulFertser> The hotmcu board seems to lack 32768 resonator.
2016-06-08T01:29:36 < Rickta59> i tend to run fast so not a problem for me
2016-06-08T01:30:10 < PaulFertser> :)
2016-06-08T01:30:45 < Rickta59> i like that they break out both the swd and the uart
2016-06-08T01:30:53 < PaulFertser> Important if you want to use some sleep modes and wake by RTC.
2016-06-08T01:31:28 < PaulFertser> But the red/blue boards also have UART1 available.
2016-06-08T01:31:39 < Rickta59> sure .. not complaining about them
2016-06-08T01:32:13 < Rickta59> for blue pills i've turned into bmp programmers i actually use the USB
2016-06-08T01:32:50 < Rickta59> but if i'm using it for other purposes, i'd probably pair it with an ftdi or ch430 or cp21xx
2016-06-08T01:33:15 < Rickta59> the code is smaller and simpler
2016-06-08T01:33:20 < PaulFertser> Sounds kinda lame to have hardware USB but use an additional part ;)
2016-06-08T01:33:30 < Rickta59> i guess
2016-06-08T01:33:49 < Rickta59> i like simple
2016-06-08T01:33:58 < Rickta59> black magic probe
2016-06-08T01:34:23 < Rickta59> turn the blue pill into a stm32 jtag/swd programmer
2016-06-08T01:37:31 < Rickta59> yeah
2016-06-08T01:38:03 < Rickta59> PaulFertser: do you know of any decent CMSIS DAP implementations for an stm32f103c8 with Mass Storage support?
2016-06-08T01:38:54 < PaulFertser> Rickta59: no, but probably porting mbed's might be not too hard.
2016-06-08T01:39:20 < Rickta59> do you see that being better than stlink or bmp?
2016-06-08T01:39:44 < PaulFertser> stlink is a high-level debugger, so that's somewhat limiting with certain parts from certain vendors.
2016-06-08T01:40:12 < PaulFertser> BMP is kinda cool when you have a supported part...
2016-06-08T01:40:44 < Rickta59> PaulFertser: is "Mr openocd" so he would have a pretty good feel for things that are good or bad
2016-06-08T01:40:58 < PaulFertser> But with stlink you get integrated SWO capture, and that works with openocd out of the box. In BMP that's experimental, not sure how easy to use in real life. With CMSIS-DAP not supported altogether.
2016-06-08T01:41:21 < PaulFertser> I'm not mr openocd, but I have some experience with it.
2016-06-08T01:41:49 < PaulFertser> stlinkv2-1 does too
2016-06-08T01:41:53 < PaulFertser> And BMP.
2016-06-08T01:41:58 < PaulFertser> So they're all even on that one.
2016-06-08T01:42:36 < PaulFertser> But it's possible to capture SWO with external UART, ft232h works nicely on 12MHz, where stlink is limited to 2MHz, and j-link to 7.5MHz.
2016-06-08T01:42:49 < Rickta59> yeah they are only missing the serial port stuff
2016-06-08T01:43:07 < Rickta59> * the stlink 2.0 vs 2.1
2016-06-08T01:43:10 < PaulFertser> I think v2-1 also got that mass storage flashing.
2016-06-08T01:43:15 < Rickta59> oh and that
2016-06-08T01:43:52 < Rickta59> have you tried the j-link firmware on an stlink device PaulFertser ?
2016-06-08T01:44:05 < PaulFertser> BMP doesn't provide you with any RTOS support, and GDB still doesn't have the needed APIs to implement that as a generic plugin. With OpenOCD you get support for many RTOSes so that's usable with stlink and cmsis-dap.
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2016-06-08T01:44:19 < PaulFertser> Rickta59: no, not yet. Folks say it works just fine.
2016-06-08T01:44:41 < Sync> oh, I gotta try that
2016-06-08T01:45:12 < PaulFertser> ohsix: with openocd?
2016-06-08T01:45:34 < PaulFertser> ohsix: in what context? Are you writing a gdb stub for a target or what?
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2016-06-08T02:00:57 < Laurenceb__> holy shit wtf
2016-06-08T02:00:59 < Laurenceb__> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2580828/Could-soon-create-hell-EARTH-Biotechnology-let-extend-criminals-lives-makes-suffering-HUNDREDS-years.html
2016-06-08T02:02:14 < Laurenceb__> Another scenario being explored by the group is uploading the criminal’s mind to a digital realm to speed up the 1,000 year sentence.
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2016-06-08T02:03:13 < Laurenceb__> its pretty kek worthy
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2016-06-08T02:35:46 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5GPWJPLcHg&feature=youtu.be
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2016-06-08T03:00:06 < jadew> can you imagine how wise those criminals would emerge from the 8 hours prison?
2016-06-08T03:00:25 < jadew> having 1000 years at your disposal to think about shit
2016-06-08T03:01:31 < jadew> "gandalf? oh yes, that's what they used to call me"
2016-06-08T03:01:56 < jadew> my imagination is spectacular
2016-06-08T03:02:15 < jadew> if I'm tired enough and I got to sleep I can see people in the greatest detail
2016-06-08T03:02:21 < jadew> *I get
2016-06-08T03:02:28 < jadew> naked people, females
2016-06-08T03:03:06 < jadew> yeah, I think the point is to take a big chunk of their life away, not to give them more time
2016-06-08T03:03:39 < jadew> although, if they managed to make those 1000 years unbearable, then yeah, that would work
2016-06-08T03:03:52 < jadew> but it shouldn't end in 8 real hours
2016-06-08T03:04:04 < jadew> it should span across decades
2016-06-08T03:04:28 < jadew> yeah, that would be interesting to see
2016-06-08T03:07:40 < jadew> also, I can see that sort of drug changing humanity
2016-06-08T03:07:51 < jadew> one that can make time seem to pas slower
2016-06-08T03:07:59 < jadew> you would go on your 15 minutes break
2016-06-08T03:08:02 < jadew> pop a pill
2016-06-08T03:08:07 < aandrew> interesting
2016-06-08T03:08:09 < jadew> and it would feel like a weekend out
2016-06-08T03:08:18 < aandrew> preciptating platinum (and silver) out of the side of the road
2016-06-08T03:09:45 < aandrew> "‘Some crimes are so bad they require a really long period of punishment, and a lot of people seem to get out of that punishment by dying,’ Dr Roache told Ross Andersen in Aeon magazine."
2016-06-08T03:09:51 < aandrew> that's a very american way of thinking
2016-06-08T03:10:32 < aandrew> yeah
2016-06-08T03:10:41 < aandrew> slow down their perception of time
2016-06-08T03:10:52 < aandrew> sure
2016-06-08T03:11:01 < aandrew> but to artificially give them the perception of 1000y?
2016-06-08T03:11:04 < aandrew> just kill them
2016-06-08T03:11:33 < jadew> I agree with the researcher
2016-06-08T03:11:44 < jadew> some people need to suffer
2016-06-08T03:11:48 < jadew> a lot
2016-06-08T03:12:11 < jadew> well, that's what I'd do
2016-06-08T03:12:35 < jadew> I think the problem is and will always be that the system could make mistakes
2016-06-08T03:12:35 < aandrew> torture makes you no better than the criminal
2016-06-08T03:12:43 < aandrew> it's a distorted sense of justice
2016-06-08T03:13:03 < jadew> precisely
2016-06-08T03:13:24 < jadew> so not returning violence for a vilent crime is not right
2016-06-08T03:13:38 < jadew> people that commit awful crimes have to suffer awfully
2016-06-08T03:13:41 < aandrew> the issue is that in nations where imprisonment is treated as rehabilitation, recidivism is undenyably low
2016-06-08T03:14:08 < aandrew> and in nations where imprisonment is treated as punitive, you have very high rates of recidivism
2016-06-08T03:14:10 < jadew> aandrew, nobody cares about rehabilitation
2016-06-08T03:14:15 < jadew> you want to prevent them in the first place
2016-06-08T03:14:19 < aandrew> jadew: arguably that is the problem
2016-06-08T03:14:45 < aandrew> it's been proven time and again that harsh sentences/mandatory minimums do NOTHING to prevent people from comitting the crimes
2016-06-08T03:14:57 < jadew> really?
2016-06-08T03:15:03 < aandrew> look at the US
2016-06-08T03:15:10 < jadew> we have different stories here
2016-06-08T03:15:13 < aandrew> look at Canada's last ten years with our idiot harper
2016-06-08T03:15:18 < aandrew> did crime go down?
2016-06-08T03:15:18 < jadew> ever heard of Vlad Tepes?
2016-06-08T03:15:19 < aandrew> hell no
2016-06-08T03:15:37 < aandrew> jadew: so brutal tyrany is the answer?
2016-06-08T03:15:57 < jadew> aandrew, the story says that there was no thieving going on anymore
2016-06-08T03:16:01 < aandrew> sure
2016-06-08T03:16:09 < jadew> because you'd get impaled
2016-06-08T03:16:12 < aandrew> but most of those stories are only stories
2016-06-08T03:16:22 < aandrew> he was brutal, I agree
2016-06-08T03:16:30 < aandrew> but was it like how it's described?
2016-06-08T03:16:36 < aandrew> let's take Iraq
2016-06-08T03:16:37 < aandrew> or Syria
2016-06-08T03:16:48 < aandrew> were crimes nonexistant in those countries?
2016-06-08T03:16:58 < aandrew> were they low? or were they just overlooked and you were simply at the whim of the dictator
2016-06-08T03:17:28 < aandrew> you lock someone away for 20 years and they are pretty much USELESS in society when they get out
2016-06-08T03:17:44 < aandrew> and you have idiotic practices like not hiring felons
2016-06-08T03:17:51 < aandrew> so what do they do? they recommit, they have no chocie
2016-06-08T03:18:01 < aandrew> nobody will hire them, they have no relevant skills, cycle repeats.
2016-06-08T03:18:02 < jadew> aandrew, which is why they should be killed
2016-06-08T03:18:11 < jadew> if they go in for 20 years, they probably did something very wrong
2016-06-08T03:18:22 < aandrew> nah, that's the other misconception
2016-06-08T03:18:31 < jadew> here's the thing
2016-06-08T03:18:33 < aandrew> you ahve people in for 20 years for simple pot possesioon
2016-06-08T03:18:36 < aandrew> wow I can't type
2016-06-08T03:18:46 < jadew> I consider theft to be extremely wrong
2016-06-08T03:18:49 < aandrew> you ahve white collar criminals in for a year who ahve fucked thousands of people
2016-06-08T03:18:50 < jadew> because you're stealing time
2016-06-08T03:18:56 < jadew> you're stealing someone else's time
2016-06-08T03:19:13 < jadew> depending on the magnitude, I would punish that by death too
2016-06-08T03:19:35 < jadew> people give big parts of their lifes for money
2016-06-08T03:19:52 < jadew> when someone tries to steal that from me, I'd like to see that person gone from the face of the earth
2016-06-08T03:20:55 < jadew> ohsix, it happened a long time ago, only folk tales survived
2016-06-08T03:21:09 < jadew> ohsix, yeah, that's stupid
2016-06-08T03:21:33 < jadew> anyway, the system will never function properly, which is why capital punishment is never going to be a good thing
2016-06-08T03:21:41 < jadew> but that doesn't mean some people don't deserve it
2016-06-08T03:22:38 < jadew> ohsix, I don't know, you'd probably want a philosopher answering that question
2016-06-08T03:23:20 < jadew> but generally speaking, when you destroy life on purpose, yours has no value
2016-06-08T03:23:36 < jadew> in fact, someone who does that should be removed from society
2016-06-08T03:23:54 < jadew> ohsix, yes you can, you can punish the other person
2016-06-08T03:23:58 < jadew> that would be justice
2016-06-08T03:24:18 < jadew> that's why I said on purpose
2016-06-08T03:24:32 < jadew> the guy who died
2016-06-08T03:24:51 < jadew> by that logic if you succesfully kill someone you don't have to be punished
2016-06-08T03:24:56 < jadew> cuz that person is already dead
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2016-06-08T03:25:59 < jadew> it's mainly as a deterrent for others
2016-06-08T03:26:23 < jadew> I think that one problem in modern society is the jail system
2016-06-08T03:26:26 < jadew> it's too comfy
2016-06-08T03:26:40 < jadew> if career criminals suffered heavily in prison
2016-06-08T03:26:43 < jadew> they would fear it
2016-06-08T03:26:51 < jadew> but currently they don't
2016-06-08T03:27:19 < jadew> someone who goes to prison once, gets out, robs a store
2016-06-08T03:27:55 < jadew> recidivism implies bad behaviour for the society
2016-06-08T03:28:01 < jadew> I'd say that's a career criminal
2016-06-08T03:28:07 < jadew> it can't function in normal parameters
2016-06-08T03:28:21 < jadew> and they're not afraid of prison
2016-06-08T03:28:26 < jadew> which is a bad thing
2016-06-08T03:28:44 < jadew> how is it anyone's problem that they can't get work
2016-06-08T03:29:01 < jadew> I used to live on $2 / a couple of days
2016-06-08T03:29:05 < jadew> I didn't go out stealing
2016-06-08T03:29:46 < Ultrasauce> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZEPSqPI1B4
2016-06-08T03:29:52 < jadew> the one guy that brought me food from time to time was an ex convict that lived in the same building with me
2016-06-08T03:30:02 < jadew> he served 10 years for armed robbery
2016-06-08T03:30:16 < jadew> he was super nice
2016-06-08T03:30:27 < jadew> and he wouldn't have wanted to go back
2016-06-08T03:30:34 < jadew> but that's because our prisons are not that great
2016-06-08T03:30:37 < jadew> they actually suck
2016-06-08T03:31:40 < jadew> it's probably a different point, but I think that if the prison system fails to deliver punishment, then it acomplishes nothing
2016-06-08T03:33:08 < jadew> it probably wouldn't be a problem if murderers would get the capital punishment
2016-06-08T03:33:17 < jadew> they have no business being around anyway
2016-06-08T03:34:51 < jadew> I won't argue with that because it's probably true
2016-06-08T03:35:14 < jadew> my point is, even tho I started at an extreme, that the current punishments are not good enough for the commited crimes
2016-06-08T03:35:46 < jadew> right, I heard about that
2016-06-08T03:37:41 < jadew> I'm probably judging this from a sane's person perspective, which goes like "if I do that that, this bad thing will happen to me"
2016-06-08T03:37:49 < jadew> I guess most criminals don't see it like that
2016-06-08T03:39:39 < jadew> and what's the result?
2016-06-08T03:39:56 < jadew> here's the thing
2016-06-08T03:40:05 < jadew> I know myself, I'm a very non-violent person
2016-06-08T03:40:11 < jadew> all the people I know are the same
2016-06-08T03:40:33 < jadew> I want everyone that's not like that, to be somewhere else, not in the same place with us
2016-06-08T03:41:15 < jadew> well, sometimes they are
2016-06-08T03:41:22 < jadew> and they cause all sorts of problem
2016-06-08T03:41:24 < jadew> *problems
2016-06-08T03:42:26 < jadew> thing is, I think the law is stopping natural selection
2016-06-08T03:42:32 < jadew> society is not for them
2016-06-08T03:42:34 < jadew> it's for us
2016-06-08T03:42:48 < jadew> if you're like them, you shouldn't exist
2016-06-08T03:43:02 < jadew> if there were no laws, that's what would happen
2016-06-08T03:43:47 < jadew> it's not about people messing up with our way of life
2016-06-08T03:43:52 < jadew> it's about thretening our lives
2016-06-08T03:44:26 < jadew> well, I'm fine with that
2016-06-08T03:44:39 < jadew> my problem is with violence
2016-06-08T03:44:45 < jadew> that's where I draw the line
2016-06-08T03:44:55 < dongs> holy shit autism
2016-06-08T03:45:08 < dongs> 2 screens of jadew talking to himself
2016-06-08T03:45:13 < jadew> dongs hehe
2016-06-08T03:45:32 < jadew> ohsix, again, there's a difference between mistakes and malicious acts
2016-06-08T03:45:52 < dongs> ohsix still being present in this channel despite almost evreyone having him on ignore = malicious act
2016-06-08T03:46:23 < jadew> yeah, that's an accident
2016-06-08T03:46:44 < jadew> shit happens, that's not a problem
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2016-06-08T03:47:03 < jadew> the problem is when people die because other people's malicious intent
2016-06-08T03:47:33 < jadew> because children are stupid and they don't realize what consequences their actions have
2016-06-08T03:47:39 < dongs> ohsix: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2016-06-08T03:47:40 < jadew> at worst, it's the parent's fault
2016-06-08T03:49:02 < jadew> although he could have simply not realized it
2016-06-08T03:49:06 < jadew> again, accidents happen
2016-06-08T03:49:33 < Laurenceb__> hmm jobs jobs
2016-06-08T03:49:44 < Laurenceb__> someone wants me to work in London :S
2016-06-08T03:50:03 < jadew> but I suppose you have a point and I guess there is a line there too, the line after which you punish the parent
2016-06-08T03:50:04 < Laurenceb__> not sure if want moneyz
2016-06-08T03:50:23 < Laurenceb__> punishment?
2016-06-08T03:50:29 < Laurenceb__> bdsm six
2016-06-08T03:51:25 < jadew> you kill it
2016-06-08T03:51:39 < Laurenceb__> just shoot it, its the murican may
2016-06-08T03:52:24 < jadew> ohsix, I think that cases that have to be punished harshly are evident to everyone
2016-06-08T03:52:41 < jadew> it should
2016-06-08T03:53:13 < jadew> it's impossible to quantize these stuff to such a point that you can draw a line
2016-06-08T03:53:49 < jadew> so the judgement of objective people should be used in such matters, as it's already boing done
2016-06-08T03:54:11 < jadew> well, they're doing the best they can
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2016-06-08T03:54:29 < Laurenceb__> isnt there a politics board you guyz can hang out on?
2016-06-08T03:54:36 < Laurenceb__> some of us actually dont give a shit
2016-06-08T03:54:44 < Emil> Can you recommend a good cheap wifi module that isn't esp8266?
2016-06-08T03:55:04 < jadew> lol, that's true, Laurenceb__, you started it
2016-06-08T03:55:13 < dongs> yea its called /msg ohsix
2016-06-08T03:55:27 < Emil> esp is shit
2016-06-08T03:55:50 < Emil> ohsix: hm?
2016-06-08T03:56:22 < Emil> I can't it to even get fucking internet. The nodemcu boards also die from under me and refuse to connect to wifi anymore ":D"
2016-06-08T03:59:21 < Emil> ohsix: thanks
2016-06-08T03:59:35 < Laurenceb__> if you dont care about current eating esp looks quite nice
2016-06-08T03:59:39 < Laurenceb__> but wifi sucks :P
2016-06-08T04:00:09 < Emil> Laurenceb__: I could live with it being a fucking monster at drawing current if the fuck just fucking worked fuck
2016-06-08T04:00:10 < jadew> ohsix, I agree and even tho I think things should be punished like that, I also know it's not a good idea because mistakes can be made and that would be worse
2016-06-08T04:00:12 < Laurenceb__> unless you want shitty range, congested spectrum and have a use for lots of bps on an embedded platform
2016-06-08T04:00:25 < Emil> ohsix: point would be to have wifi
2016-06-08T04:00:38 < Laurenceb__> wifi is kind of good but still shit for laptops and stuff
2016-06-08T04:01:00 < Laurenceb__> its utterly unsuited for almost all embedded embedded
2016-06-08T04:01:14 < jadew> ohsix, precisely
2016-06-08T04:02:52 < Laurenceb__> wifi was the first sign that zano was utterly stupid
2016-06-08T04:03:04 < Laurenceb__> wifi on a quadcopter
2016-06-08T04:03:11 < Laurenceb__> totally sensible
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2016-06-08T04:03:34 < Laurenceb__> 2.4Ghz is the shit teir band
2016-06-08T04:04:06 < Laurenceb__> 20mhz ftw
2016-06-08T04:04:18 < Laurenceb__> or whatever - 27
2016-06-08T04:04:21 < Laurenceb__> yup thats it
2016-06-08T04:04:49 < Laurenceb__> so 868 or 434 then
2016-06-08T04:05:13 < Ultrasauce> yeah just go ahead and dangle a 2.8 metre whip antenna off your microdrone
2016-06-08T04:05:31 < Laurenceb__> you can make compact antenna
2016-06-08T04:05:43 < Laurenceb__> but yeah 27mhz would probably be silly
2016-06-08T04:05:53 < jadew> not particularly compact for that frequency
2016-06-08T04:05:58 < Laurenceb__> I'd have used 868 with a bluetooth - 868 dongle thing
2016-06-08T04:06:01 < Laurenceb__> maybe usb
2016-06-08T04:06:13 < Laurenceb__> or wifi to 868
2016-06-08T04:06:26 < jadew> all ISM bands are occupied
2016-06-08T04:06:40 < Laurenceb__> 2.4 is the worst
2016-06-08T04:06:46 < jadew> yeah
2016-06-08T04:06:53 < jadew> 433 is alo pretty bad
2016-06-08T04:06:56 < jadew> *also
2016-06-08T04:07:21 < Laurenceb__> not where I live lol
2016-06-08T04:07:38 < Laurenceb__> https://i.sli.mg/Kal5qV.jpg
2016-06-08T04:07:52 < Laurenceb__> someone is wrong on the internet
2016-06-08T04:07:54 < jadew> I can see it
2016-06-08T04:08:54 < jadew> ohsix, I'm aware of that issue
2016-06-08T04:09:19 < jadew> in here welfare is very low
2016-06-08T04:09:28 < jadew> didn't you hear refugees refused to stay here?
2016-06-08T04:09:37 < jadew> yeah :)
2016-06-08T04:09:53 < jadew> we offered to have a few but they refused to stay
2016-06-08T04:10:20 < jadew> the thing is that welfare is so low in here that you really feel poor and preasured to get a job
2016-06-08T04:11:10 < jadew> there are plenty of jobs
2016-06-08T04:11:19 < dongs> hey how the FUCK is any of this shite related to stm32?
2016-06-08T04:11:27 < dongs> takea this shit to privmsg, thx
2016-06-08T04:11:59 < Laurenceb__> dongs: ##stm32 is now ##politics
2016-06-08T04:12:08 < Laurenceb__> didnt you get the memo
2016-06-08T04:13:58 < Emil> ohsix: both
2016-06-08T04:14:11 < Ultrasauce> yeah I am going to ask you guys to move this elsewhere also
2016-06-08T04:14:14 < Emil> just, again, took a jab at the esp-1
2016-06-08T04:14:17 < Emil> nothing but pain and shit
2016-06-08T04:15:12 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/screenshot/smapV.png
2016-06-08T04:15:19 < jadew> 0 to 1 GHz
2016-06-08T04:16:03 < jadew> that's with a whip antenna indoors
2016-06-08T04:16:30 < jadew> 1 to 2 GHz
2016-06-08T04:16:31 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/screenshot/1V9qR.png
2016-06-08T04:17:06 < Emil> ohsix: I know
2016-06-08T04:17:11 < Emil> jadew: nice plots
2016-06-08T04:17:53 < jadew> and 2 to 3 GHz: http://dumb.ro/screenshot/anFwn.png
2016-06-08T04:18:02 < jadew> there's another ISM band around 5 GHz, no?
2016-06-08T04:18:55 < jadew> the wiki link I found is so much easier to understand than that :)
2016-06-08T04:19:09 < jadew> 5.725 GHz to 5.875 GHz
2016-06-08T04:19:33 < jadew> I have to change the antenna
2016-06-08T04:21:23 < jadew> looks like the 5 GHz band is free
2016-06-08T04:21:34 < jadew> pretty sure that will change soon
2016-06-08T04:22:23 < Ultrasauce> there's a pretty strong lobbying effort by telecoms to relicense a good chunk of the 5ghz ism band exclusively for their metered data services
2016-06-08T04:23:33 < jadew> Ultrasauce, I guess that won't work if people start building a lot of equipment that works in that band
2016-06-08T04:25:44 < Ultrasauce> ok I misremembered, not exclusive licensing but it'd certainly sideline consumer usage
2016-06-08T04:25:49 < Ultrasauce> http://www.lteuforum.org/
2016-06-08T04:27:35 < dongs> 31k hits since 2014
2016-06-08T04:27:37 < dongs> nothing to worry abouty
2016-06-08T04:27:39 < jadew> it's weird that they have to fight for such a small chunk of band, considering how much of it is not really used
2016-06-08T04:27:58 < jadew> dongs, hits where?
2016-06-08T04:28:07 < jadew> ah, that page
2016-06-08T04:28:52 < jadew> ohsix, pretty sure it will be re-sliced in 50 years or so
2016-06-08T04:29:26 < jadew> a lot of crap will probably move in the 10s of GHz
2016-06-08T04:29:54 < jadew> and most of the rest will remain there for aviation & co + hobbyists
2016-06-08T04:32:10 < Ultrasauce> y'know there's this thing called diffraction, it actually makes radio waves useful
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2016-06-08T04:33:56 < jadew> ohsix, was just thinking of something like that
2016-06-08T04:34:13 < jadew> I can see local RF bands being used
2016-06-08T04:34:25 < jadew> which rely stuff that gets transmitted on different bands
2016-06-08T04:34:50 < jadew> oh, that's awesome
2016-06-08T04:35:17 < jadew> that would seem like magic if you didn't know about it
2016-06-08T04:36:15 < jadew> yeah
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2016-06-08T05:15:40 < jadew> I wonder if it will actually launch
2016-06-08T05:15:58 < jadew> I'd like to have a satellite
2016-06-08T05:16:18 < jadew> who needs a selfie stick?
2016-06-08T05:16:51 < jadew> ah
2016-06-08T05:16:56 < jadew> yeah
2016-06-08T05:17:18 < dongs> can you imagine?
2016-06-08T05:17:25 < dongs> you would go
2016-06-08T05:17:31 < dongs> oh, I gotta try that
2016-06-08T05:17:38 < dongs> ohsix: sure .. not complaining about them
2016-06-08T05:17:44 < dongs>  still amazingly priced
2016-06-08T05:17:47 < dongs> yeah i know
2016-06-08T05:18:00 < dongs> that's good to know
2016-06-08T05:18:16 < jadew> he's talking to you I guess
2016-06-08T05:18:18 < dongs> aww
2016-06-08T05:18:23 < jadew> lol
2016-06-08T05:18:24 < dongs> oh, found it
2016-06-08T05:18:28 < dongs> and log it
2016-06-08T05:18:38 < dongs> not being able to find shit
2016-06-08T05:18:46 < dongs> but it's kinda bliking
2016-06-08T05:18:54 < dongs>  yeah these fucks
2016-06-08T05:19:01 < dongs> ohsix: there has been nothing said for the last hour
2016-06-08T05:19:20 < dongs> im about to start complaining to you, guy
2016-06-08T05:19:34 < dongs> I think it requires more
2016-06-08T05:19:45 < dongs> zyp: sorry, just saw scrollback
2016-06-08T05:20:16 < dongs> and probably too late, since screen was filled wiht autism for hte last 10 hours
2016-06-08T05:21:53 < dongs> yup thats it
2016-06-08T05:21:56 < dongs> maybe usb
2016-06-08T05:22:00 < dongs> it's for us
2016-06-08T05:22:04 < dongs> I'm fine with that
2016-06-08T05:22:15 < dongs> sure
2016-06-08T05:22:18 < dongs> hell no
2016-06-08T05:22:22 < dongs> interesting
2016-06-08T05:22:30 < jadew> who are you talking to?
2016-06-08T05:22:39 < dongs> i like simple
2016-06-08T05:22:42 < dongs> i guess
2016-06-08T05:22:47 < dongs> what
2016-06-08T05:22:52 < dongs> thanks
2016-06-08T06:03:57 < jadew> I know, I was just wondering who's pretending to talk to
2016-06-08T06:04:06 < jadew> *who's he
2016-06-08T06:04:12 < jadew> sorry, I'm a bit tired
2016-06-08T06:10:43 < dongs> hi
2016-06-08T06:11:17 < dongs> not much
2016-06-08T06:11:29 < dongs> innovating, dicknplacing, getting lots of things  done now that ohsix is on ignore
2016-06-08T06:12:21 < dongs> whats new at spacaex
2016-06-08T06:12:28 < dongs> did you figure out what to do wiht all the returned rockets yet
2016-06-08T06:13:19 < dongs> gonna be a whie before that happens
2016-06-08T06:13:47 < englishman> welcome back R2COM
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2016-06-08T06:14:21 < englishman> figuring out how to vote trump
2016-06-08T06:14:28 < englishman> you?
2016-06-08T06:14:47 < dongs> when was the last time they exploded one?
2016-06-08T06:15:16 < dongs> spacex expodes too
2016-06-08T06:15:20 < dongs> last or even this year
2016-06-08T06:15:39 < dongs> CRS7
2016-06-08T06:15:40 < dongs> yeah last year
2016-06-08T06:16:43 < dongs> speaking of failures i wonder if jcsat2b is in proper orbit yet
2016-06-08T06:17:49 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-08T06:17:54 < dongs> about 250km from here
2016-06-08T06:18:03 < dongs> i missed last one, it would have been visible
2016-06-08T06:18:09 < dongs> mitsubishi heavy industries or someshit
2016-06-08T06:21:01 < dongs> The switchover from the JCSAT-2A communication satellite to its successor, JCSAT-2B is scheduled to take place between 03:00 UTC on 6 July and 03:00 UTC on 20 July.
2016-06-08T06:21:04 < dongs> damn
2016-06-08T06:21:07 < dongs> another month
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2016-06-08T06:25:14 < englishman> hopefully they dont make as crappy satellites as they do cars
2016-06-08T06:25:17 < englishman> just phone that shit in
2016-06-08T06:26:19 < englishman> wat?
2016-06-08T06:26:26 < englishman> subaru is fuji industries
2016-06-08T06:26:40 < englishman> silicone coated wires are best wires
2016-06-08T06:26:47 < englishman> audiophools havent even found this yet
2016-06-08T06:27:08 < englishman> sure i have lots
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2016-06-08T06:42:15 < englishman> Remind me tomorrow, I'll take a pic
2016-06-08T06:44:40 < englishman> No
2016-06-08T06:54:04 < jadew> heh, I'm picking some japanese radio 11.679 MHz
2016-06-08T06:54:16 < jadew> *on
2016-06-08T06:57:36 < dongs> holy shit
2016-06-08T06:57:39 < dongs> CX_WIFIUFO update
2016-06-08T06:57:55 < dongs> #1 whats new: fix the bug that real time video cant play normally on samsung s6 devices
2016-06-08T06:57:59 < dongs> yay!
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2016-06-08T07:53:47 < dongs> nice
2016-06-08T07:53:50 < dongs> no lag and video doesnt stop
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2016-06-08T08:31:21 < dongs> http://www.connexhd.com/ lol
2016-06-08T08:33:57 < emeb_mac> delay-free!
2016-06-08T08:34:06 < qyx> http://i.imgur.com/bI1OBZh.png
2016-06-08T08:34:12 < qyx> mhm doesn't look much sane
2016-06-08T08:34:31 < qyx> it is a pair of 2000mAh NiMH cells
2016-06-08T08:34:43 < dongs> is that your datablogger
2016-06-08T08:35:23 < qyx> I used that odroid to log voltage, but that's not the problem
2016-06-08T08:35:45 < qyx> it seems that the cells have too high internal resistance
2016-06-08T08:37:44 < qyx> they are now being charged by a solar panel with ~200mA current and the voltage has risen to 1.4V per cell during the last hour
2016-06-08T08:43:27 < PeterM> qyx, NiMh is a pain to charge properly
2016-06-08T08:45:02 < qyx> I used a china-approach, cells are directly connected to the panel
2016-06-08T08:45:25 < PeterM> basically, you charge them wiht as much current as you can, provided they dont get above like 35 degrees or somehting
2016-06-08T08:45:40 < qyx> using a diode of course
2016-06-08T08:45:42 < PeterM> the opencircuit votlage will rise but thats fine
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2016-06-08T08:46:01 < PeterM> yeah
2016-06-08T09:06:22 < dongs> PeterM: whats a good dualnfet
2016-06-08T09:06:24 < dongs> standard package
2016-06-08T09:06:57 < dongs> lookin at like AO5804EL - style package
2016-06-08T09:07:12 < dongs> or maybe osmething better weiht exposed pads
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2016-06-08T09:59:46 < PeterM> what kidna currents?
2016-06-08T09:59:52 < PeterM> and voltages
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2016-06-08T10:14:53 < PeterM> dongs http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/NTZD3154N-D.PDF are same specs but cheaper/mroe available in .cn
2016-06-08T10:17:30 < dongs> ah
2016-06-08T10:17:34 < dongs> hm thats realyl lwo current
2016-06-08T10:17:40 < dongs> i think he wanted something 1-2A
2016-06-08T10:17:46 < dongs> i guess it wont be in taht package
2016-06-08T10:21:57 < upgrdman> those back to back diodes on the gate just clamp gate voltage to the safe region, right?
2016-06-08T10:22:30 < dongs> esd i think
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2016-06-08T10:28:11 < PeterM> esd yeah
2016-06-08T10:28:25 < PeterM> vishay have somehting a little more pwoerful but its obviously mroe expensive
2016-06-08T10:28:43 < PeterM> SIA914ADJ are around 20c ea :(
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2016-06-08T10:39:00 < dongs> PeterM: that looks a lot better
2016-06-08T10:39:23 < dongs> thanks <3
2016-06-08T10:47:03 < dongs> PeterM: chinagirl says no 'original' on that vishay
2016-06-08T10:47:05 < dongs> clones do ok?
2016-06-08T10:53:01 < PeterM> no idea - 20c is DK 1k price
2016-06-08T10:53:26 < PeterM> whats the clone price? if its cheap, get some and give em a go
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2016-06-08T11:04:52 < dongs> ah
2016-06-08T11:05:15 < wild-parrit> heh heh
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2016-06-08T11:17:16 < zyp> dongs, was wondering if you have a preferred micro-AB socket
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2016-06-08T11:20:32 < wild-parrit> mini-b 4 all
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2016-06-08T11:21:58 < Ecco> micro is getting very popular thanks to / because of smartphones
2016-06-08T11:24:44 < zyp> it's also better than mini
2016-06-08T11:24:50 < Ecco> how?
2016-06-08T11:24:51 < zyp> but that's besides the point
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2016-06-08T11:25:03 < zyp> mini-AB is obsoleted by usb-if either way
2016-06-08T11:26:01 < zyp> Ecco, it's designed to be more durable
2016-06-08T11:26:22 < Ecco> ok
2016-06-08T11:26:46 < zyp> and it puts the movable parts in the plug instead of the socket, so that when it wears out, you only have to replace the cable
2016-06-08T11:27:35 < zyp> also, micro is probably at it's peak now, given that type-c is the future
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2016-06-08T11:30:49 < Ecco> oh, didn't know that. That's smart
2016-06-08T11:30:58 < Ecco> or not stupid, your pick :)
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2016-06-08T11:39:48 < wild-parrit> ridin' the waave
2016-06-08T11:44:46 < dongs> zyp: dont have. i guess the one on -disco board?
2016-06-08T11:45:05 < dongs> it sounds like it would be the same FCI style
2016-06-08T11:45:08 < dongs> with 4 thorughhole
2016-06-08T11:45:11 < dongs> it is inverted tho
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2016-06-08T11:45:43 < zyp> I looked on digikey, looked like only FCI connector was all SMT
2016-06-08T11:45:48 < zyp> and that's stupid
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2016-06-08T11:46:13 < wild-parrit> yeah fuck SMT
2016-06-08T11:46:30 < wild-parrit> DIP40 4lyf
2016-06-08T11:46:55 < dongs> molex 47590-0001
2016-06-08T11:47:16 < dongs> its through-hole for 4 mounting pads
2016-06-08T11:47:42 < zyp> yeah, I think I looked at that one
2016-06-08T11:47:55 < dongs> you cant actually get micro in completely tthrtough-hole
2016-06-08T11:47:57 < dongs> unless vertical
2016-06-08T11:48:00 < zyp> it's similar but not identical to the micro-B footprint
2016-06-08T11:48:04 < dongs> right
2016-06-08T11:48:11 < dongs> the outer pads are wider
2016-06-08T11:48:15 < zyp> how would that shit be on price?
2016-06-08T11:48:20 < dongs> im checking
2016-06-08T11:48:23 < dongs> but i think holiday started
2016-06-08T11:48:57 < zyp> I'm considering replacing the jvs socket on usbjvs board since it can technically work as both jvs master and slave
2016-06-08T11:49:19 < zyp> but it'll mainly be used as slave so it's not important enough that I'll put much effort into it
2016-06-08T11:49:34 < dongs> thats when you like make 10000 of htem right
2016-06-08T11:50:40 < zyp> I'm thinking like 50 of those and 200 of the nfc readers
2016-06-08T11:50:42 < dongs> fci only has 10104111-0001LF
2016-06-08T11:50:53 < dongs> and thats smt
2016-06-08T11:51:05 < zyp> yeah, that's exactly what I found when I looked yesterday
2016-06-08T11:51:35 < dongs> zyp: samples .50, ~reel is .39
2016-06-08T11:51:38 < dongs> not that cheap
2016-06-08T11:51:46 < dongs> so must be legit
2016-06-08T11:51:48 < zyp> and the micro-b ones are how much?
2016-06-08T11:51:55 < dongs> .29 i think
2016-06-08T11:51:57 < dongs> -ish
2016-06-08T11:52:25 < zyp> not a significant difference for qty 50, I'll think about it
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2016-06-08T11:52:57 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-08T11:53:05 < zyp> how does the timeline look if I say I want 50 usbjvs and 200 nfc readers?
2016-06-08T11:53:24 < wild-parrit> fuckin dirty.
2016-06-08T11:53:30 < zyp> wild-parrit, stfu
2016-06-08T11:53:37 < dongs> end of june cuz i'm a bit busy for next 2 weeks
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2016-06-08T11:54:19 < zyp> which means it'll be in my hands around middle of july?
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2016-06-08T12:17:11 < wild-parrit> the grand awakening.
2016-06-08T12:19:50  * Ecco is getting crazy
2016-06-08T12:19:57 < Ecco> I'm trying to get this LCD panel to work
2016-06-08T12:20:23 < Ecco> If I run the exact same simplistic init procedure on STM32F429i disco, it does turn the screen on
2016-06-08T12:20:31 < Ecco> On my own board, nothing
2016-06-08T12:20:52 < Ecco> I've probed every wire and the data does go through the wires though
2016-06-08T12:20:59 < Ecco> I don't know what to check
2016-06-08T12:21:13 < wild-parrit> are you using keil uvision?
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2016-06-08T12:25:03 < dongs> crt, stop fucking pumping
2016-06-08T12:25:22 < dongs> Ecco: are you sure youre running at same sped
2016-06-08T12:25:24 < dongs> speed
2016-06-08T12:26:10 < dongs> zyp, or so
2016-06-08T12:26:15 < dongs> i mean i can start stuff and shit.
2016-06-08T12:26:45 < dongs> zyp, maybe we can array jvs and nfc togther
2016-06-08T12:26:49 < zyp> I need to update the designs first
2016-06-08T12:26:53 < dongs> like.. 3 nfc 1 jvs on one panel
2016-06-08T12:26:54 < zyp> yeah, possibly
2016-06-08T12:27:06 < dongs> that would make it a bit easier
2016-06-08T12:27:40 < zyp> us guy is getting all the usbjvs and half the readers, he'll be selling them in 1+2 kits
2016-06-08T12:27:42 < dongs> also they're small in general, it would have to be arrayed anyway
2016-06-08T12:27:50 < zyp> and I'll sell the rest of the readers for other shit
2016-06-08T12:27:53 < Cicero-MF> Ecco, dunno if its been asked, but is the supply adequate?  Can it provide enough, and deal with the startup inrush and all that
2016-06-08T12:28:04 < zyp> hmm
2016-06-08T12:28:30 < zyp> dongs, do you think you could get me a quote so I know how much to charge us guy?
2016-06-08T12:28:58  * wild-parrit lights another cigar
2016-06-08T12:29:11 < dongs> on what pcb/pcba?
2016-06-08T12:29:15 < dongs> or parts
2016-06-08T12:29:19 < dongs> parts you generally have an idea right?
2016-06-08T12:29:27 < zyp> jvs board will have the sockets changed to the newer ones you prefer (and possibly one AB if I bother), nfc reader board will only have some silk changed
2016-06-08T12:29:28 < dongs> ST96 thing isnt available so its that + cheap parts remaining
2016-06-08T12:29:57 < dongs> F072 is available easily, i think anything lower is annoying to get
2016-06-08T12:30:05 < zyp> L052, not F0
2016-06-08T12:30:08 < dongs> oh L,
2016-06-08T12:30:10 < dongs> fuckin
2016-06-08T12:30:24 < dongs> C8?
2016-06-08T12:30:45 < zyp> would have used F072 if it weren't for that M0 is too stupid
2016-06-08T12:30:46 < zyp> yeah
2016-06-08T12:30:50 < dongs> right
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2016-06-08T12:31:17 < dongs> do they both use L0?
2016-06-08T12:31:22 < dongs> jvs and hte other
2016-06-08T12:31:32 < zyp> yes, same part on both, so qty 250
2016-06-08T12:31:34 < dongs> if its 250 i could probably get a tray somewehre
2016-06-08T12:32:52 < dongs> ST girl will get back to me sunday after holiday
2016-06-08T12:33:03 < zyp> cool
2016-06-08T12:33:57 < zyp> I'll be flying to jp on monday, so I'll get the design files updated before that
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2016-06-08T12:34:11 < wild-parrit> pumping
2016-06-08T12:34:15 < zyp> but not today
2016-06-08T12:34:18 < dongs> zyp, jp again? loldongs
2016-06-08T12:34:28 < wild-parrit> sup crt
2016-06-08T12:34:34 < zyp> sure, this year's vacation ;)
2016-06-08T12:34:41 < dongs> zyp, some available at 2.43 how is that?
2016-06-08T12:35:10 < dongs> thats like ~500 digijew price
2016-06-08T12:35:18 < zyp> hmm, mouser is at $2.8 @250
2016-06-08T12:35:30 < wild-parrit> mousejew
2016-06-08T12:35:35 < zyp> so yeah, that's not bad
2016-06-08T12:37:54 < dongs> probably wont be much cheaper htan that
2016-06-08T12:37:59 < dongs> ST will probly tel lme to get a full box
2016-06-08T12:38:01 < dongs> and wait 3 months
2016-06-08T12:38:06 < zyp> haha
2016-06-08T12:38:16 < dongs> ~the usual~
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2016-06-08T12:39:44 < wild-parrit> hmm
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2016-06-08T12:45:44 < dongs> zyp, got 250 at 2.36
2016-06-08T12:46:03 < dongs> done
2016-06-08T12:46:52 < zyp> nice
2016-06-08T12:47:42 < zyp> okay, I'm out for the rest of the day, I'll get on updating the design later
2016-06-08T12:47:49 < wild-parrit> seeyou later
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2016-06-08T12:53:20 < dongs> unless you really need AB i'd say just update to my new one
2016-06-08T12:53:25 < dongs> that i have stock ofand dbe done with it
2016-06-08T12:54:07 < zyp> yeah, and I've already made a footprint for that one
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2016-06-08T13:11:12 < parrit> is brother steffan in today?
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2016-06-08T13:13:04 < mra90> is there any distinction in how address line treats odd and even addreses ?
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2016-06-08T13:26:48 < karlp> zyp: dongs: what's the "new" micro usb connector you're using? still FCI 10103594-0001LF ? or have you got something else you prefer now? (and what changed?)
2016-06-08T13:28:02 < karlp> that hotmcu f103 board with the FPC on the back was kinda cute.
2016-06-08T13:31:53 < parrit> i'm stoned
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2016-06-08T13:45:11 < dongs> karlp: what fpc?
2016-06-08T13:45:20 < dongs> that fci still ok
2016-06-08T13:45:25 < dongs> we have a new one for anti-cloners
2016-06-08T13:45:56 < parrit> cool
2016-06-08T13:46:10 < parrit> lay it out on me man
2016-06-08T13:59:47 < karlp> dongs: back side of this: http://www.hotmcu.com/stm32f103tb-arm-cortex-m3-development-board-p-222.html?cPath=1_20
2016-06-08T14:00:04 < karlp> kinda hilarious though, "don't pay attention to the silk, correct swd pinout is xxxxx"
2016-06-08T14:00:20 < dongs> pro
2016-06-08T14:02:26 < kakimir> dongs: I'm watching EEVBLog #887 - The Economics of Selling Hardware
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2016-06-08T14:04:04 < kakimir> I need to ask you how that thing works.. do you make money of stuff others(distributors) are selling?
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2016-06-08T14:04:56 < dongs> no i just give shit away
2016-06-08T14:05:08 < kakimir> is that sarcastic comment?
2016-06-08T14:05:32 < kakimir> okay
2016-06-08T14:06:35 < karlp> dongs: what's the gain with the "anti-cloners" one you're using now?
2016-06-08T14:06:47 < kakimir> but at start there was sales before distributors kicked in? Or did you just at first step give the designs away?
2016-06-08T14:07:04 < dongs> karlp: none
2016-06-08T14:07:12 < dongs> just that cloners arent using it
2016-06-08T14:07:25 < kakimir> what anti-cloner you are talking about?
2016-06-08T14:07:50 < kakimir> some chip feature/software trick?
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2016-06-08T14:09:29 < kakimir> when it comes to dongs I see anti-cloner as terminator robot that dongs made as weekend project
2016-06-08T14:10:02 < kakimir> then set free to hunt down cloners
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2016-06-08T14:12:32 < kakimir> do you have any distributor contacts dongs?
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2016-06-08T14:14:48 < kakimir> active ones
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2016-06-08T14:18:23 < kakimir> why are all pros like that.. they answer one question per questioner and then they are gone
2016-06-08T14:19:08 < qyx> maybe they have a work to do
2016-06-08T14:19:38 < kakimir> they became pros by not answering questions
2016-06-08T14:23:39 < Cicero-MF> haha
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2016-06-08T14:32:52 < dongs> < kakimir> they became pros by not answering questions
2016-06-08T14:32:53 < dongs> i like that
2016-06-08T14:33:41 < Cicero-MF> Only way to keep all the pro'ness obviously
2016-06-08T14:35:18 < kakimir> so dongs have you worked with distributors ever?
2016-06-08T14:35:32 < kakimir> and what it is like?
2016-06-08T14:35:42 < dongs> kakimir: i've ordered something from avnet once
2016-06-08T14:35:46 < dongs> 5 months later it arrived
2016-06-08T14:35:54 < kakimir> I mean you being the seller
2016-06-08T14:36:05 < kakimir> not the buyer
2016-06-08T14:36:15 < dongs> i sold some parts i no longer needed
2016-06-08T14:36:32 < dongs> kakimir: why are you assburering these things anyway
2016-06-08T14:36:36 < dongs> its not like you have a producte to sell?
2016-06-08T14:36:53 < kakimir> It's like ... should I have
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2016-06-08T14:37:38 < kakimir> celeron55: laita netti kiinni
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2016-06-08T14:47:09 < dongs> http://shop.concierge-net.com/eshopdo/refer/vid10159.html
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2016-06-08T14:56:56 < Cicero-MF> haha, how do you even find that shit
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2016-06-08T15:13:17 < qyx> what can I do to lower power consumption of a F0 if I cannot use sleep/powerdown?
2016-06-08T15:13:37 < dongs> can you clock it down when not needed?
2016-06-08T15:13:41 < qyx> I have ~5mA at 16MHz, I require one pwm continuously running
2016-06-08T15:13:45 < dongs> only turn on stuff you wanna use?
2016-06-08T15:13:52 < dongs> make all gpios AIN
2016-06-08T15:14:33 < qyx> I did wfi so far, so the core should sleep most of the time
2016-06-08T15:15:29 < qyx> I could clock it down if the timers had their own clocks
2016-06-08T15:15:37 < dongs> rite
2016-06-08T15:15:42 < dongs> did you do other stuff
2016-06-08T15:17:18 < qyx> or maybe I should use a dedicated pwm switcher
2016-06-08T15:17:32 < qyx> and just inject current into its feedback
2016-06-08T15:17:34 < dongs> NE555
2016-06-08T15:17:42 < qyx> meh
2016-06-08T15:20:26 < qyx> some NXP pwm driver has no-load operating current 6-10mA at 1MHz, even worse
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2016-06-08T15:23:11 < dongs> haha trash
2016-06-08T15:23:18 < dongs> o yeah 555 would probly be not such a good idea
2016-06-08T15:23:24 < dongs> qyx, shoulda used L0
2016-06-08T15:29:58 < Cicero-MF> what are you using the pwm for, just out of interests sake?
2016-06-08T15:31:03 < karlp> iirc, this is one of the things both atmel and efm parts are meant to address, letting the core sleep a lot more.
2016-06-08T15:34:39 < qyx> Cicero-MF: pwming a mosfet half-bridge
2016-06-08T15:36:36 < qyx> I would do that a couple of times per second in low load conditions, but that's meh as the input capacitance wouldn't allow me to estimate the transferred power correctly
2016-06-08T15:39:15 < Cicero-MF> yeah but you're trying to save a couple of mA even though youre running a half bridge?
2016-06-08T15:39:44 < Cicero-MF> different supplies?
2016-06-08T15:39:57 < englishman> Just click mouse and you can be am excellent RF engineer
2016-06-08T15:40:13 < englishman> (from chinasite)
2016-06-08T15:41:20 < Cicero-MF> qyx, not having a go at you, just interested
2016-06-08T15:41:25 < qyx> Cicero-MF: yes, the half-bridge is a sync buck converter
2016-06-08T15:41:32 < qyx> for a solar mppt
2016-06-08T15:42:06 < qyx> Ipk is about 500mA, so a 5-10mA for a converter self-supply is quite much if no sun shines
2016-06-08T15:42:16 < englishman> karlp: are you ready for gardenchats
2016-06-08T15:42:24 < qyx> I need to supply some useful load besides the converter itself
2016-06-08T15:42:26 < Cicero-MF> ah fair enough
2016-06-08T15:42:28 < englishman> What's in your icelandic garden?
2016-06-08T15:43:03 < qyx> and if I turn off the converter completely I cannot measure the MPP
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2016-06-08T15:49:29 < karlp> englishman: narcissus and tulips at the moment. looking to plant some sort of berry, but the space for it doesn't get much sun.
2016-06-08T15:49:43 < karlp> need to visit the shops see what will do ok in partialshade/shade.
2016-06-08T15:49:52 < karlp> guessing red currants might do ok, but i'm not a huge fan of them.
2016-06-08T15:50:10 < karlp> thinking of getting poppies or something later flowering for some new beds to filli n the gaps
2016-06-08T15:50:37 < karlp> war on the dandelions has gone well, poison and weeding has delivered steady victories.
2016-06-08T15:51:00 < karlp> moss continues it's guerilla tactics along the borders.
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2016-06-08T16:03:59 < ReadError> poppies
2016-06-08T16:04:06 < ReadError> tons and tons of poppies
2016-06-08T16:04:51 < ReadError> get your lance game proper
2016-06-08T16:17:04 < PeterM> oi CloneError hows your foot motor body trolly going?
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2016-06-08T16:22:19 < ReadError> http://www.ebay.com/itm/AA-SHIELD-Aramid-Ballistic-Visor-Bulletproof-Face-Shield-Mask-NIJ-Level-IIIA-3A-/131355806591?
2016-06-08T16:22:31 < ReadError> PeterM its 100% done
2016-06-08T16:22:42 < ReadError> minus like 5$ in parts that come today ;(
2016-06-08T16:22:53 < ReadError> the pieces to link the chain back together, i lost
2016-06-08T16:23:43 < PeterM> ReadError, go to  local inductrial supply, they'll sell you chain jopiners no problems
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2016-06-08T16:23:48 < PeterM> *industrial
2016-06-08T16:23:57 < ReadError> I have mcmaster
2016-06-08T16:24:03 < ReadError> I ordered yesterday, comes today
2016-06-08T16:24:14 < ReadError> its not a 'standard'ish chain
2016-06-08T16:24:25 < ReadError> ANSI 25 but not common shit like bike chain
2016-06-08T16:24:39 < PeterM> cool, i have a local industrial supply, go for 10 min drive, get part, come home, done
2016-06-08T16:25:05 < ReadError> mcmaster is longer than 10 minutes
2016-06-08T16:25:16 < PeterM> sux2bu
2016-06-08T16:25:17 < ReadError> but... they have pretty much anything you would need hardware wise
2016-06-08T16:25:37 < ReadError> and their warehouse is 1.5hr away, so its overnight, fast enuff
2016-06-08T16:26:10 < PeterM> https://www.colliermiller.com.au/category/industrial/power-transmission/roller-chain/ansi-chain
2016-06-08T16:26:15 < PeterM> local place stocks it
2016-06-08T16:26:18 < PeterM> 10 mins
2016-06-08T16:26:55 < ReadError> oh I have the chain
2016-06-08T16:27:03 < ReadError> i just need the half/full links to rejoin it
2016-06-08T16:27:13 < ReadError> and I had a bag with all that shit but I think I accidently threw it out
2016-06-08T16:27:30 < PeterM> yeah, that page is just the category page for their ansi chain stuff
2016-06-08T16:30:11 < PeterM> tbh they're pretty sweet, have some of the cheapest thick, flexible cable i've seen
2016-06-08T16:30:56 < PeterM> https://www.colliermiller.com.au/product/c7901220-welding-cable-16mm-250a-30-superflex-double-insulated $4usd/m
2016-06-08T16:31:40 < PeterM> basically silicone wire equivilent too, super flexi
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2016-06-08T16:33:25 < karlp> heh, 400ms ping to colliermiller makes for a slow as shit website
2016-06-08T16:34:34 < PeterM> its pretty even with good ping, but doesnt bother me, i jsut give em a  call
2016-06-08T16:35:25 < karlp> at least I can browse it, unlike mchater
2016-06-08T16:36:44 < PeterM> tbh, i was pretty surprised they even had a website because nobody around here usually done
2016-06-08T16:36:47 < PeterM> *does
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2016-06-08T16:48:00 < dongs> http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/1044414/85047144.jpg
2016-06-08T16:48:07 < Ecco> -This signal will reset the device and it must be applied to properly initialize the chip.
2016-06-08T16:48:10 < Ecco> -Signal is active low.
2016-06-08T16:48:12 < Ecco> What does that mean ?
2016-06-08T16:48:24 < dongs> it means when its low, its resetting
2016-06-08T16:48:25 < Ecco> dongs: I lol'ed
2016-06-08T16:48:32 < dongs> so transition high->low->high
2016-06-08T16:48:32 < Ecco> ok, thanks
2016-06-08T16:48:37 < Ecco> ok, gotcha
2016-06-08T16:48:40 < dongs> and, there's usualyl timing involved
2016-06-08T16:48:43 < dongs> how long hte "low" part is
2016-06-08T16:48:52 < dongs> as well as how soon you can talk after its high
2016-06-08T16:48:57 < Ecco> gotcha
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2016-06-08T16:51:47 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Arduino-Toaster/
2016-06-08T16:52:53 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Custom-Composite-Video-Input-Output/
2016-06-08T16:52:57 < dongs> for $250? fuck off
2016-06-08T16:53:47 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Schematic-layout-PCB-design/
2016-06-08T16:53:48 < dongs> nope
2016-06-08T16:54:43 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/tutorial-about-STM-connecting-pendrive-10712929/ I hope 90 PLN is worth something
2016-06-08T16:54:53 < dongs> $23 haha
2016-06-08T16:55:02 < Cicero-MF> fucken hell
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2016-06-08T17:00:22 < dongs> Project Description
2016-06-08T17:00:22 < dongs> i have a small task to be done in pcb and i have a small test and if u pass it ill give the whole project
2016-06-08T17:01:08 < Rob235> good way to get something done for free
2016-06-08T17:01:42 < dongs> make the "test" be the project
2016-06-08T17:01:46 < Rob235> yea
2016-06-08T17:02:00 < dongs> hes already only paying 20$
2016-06-08T17:02:23 < zyp> that's either gonna be an easy project or a hard test
2016-06-08T17:06:20 < Cicero-MF> is there anything actually decent on freelancer?  Or is it mostly just people trying to whore themselves or their projects
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2016-06-08T17:13:42 < englishman> karlp: fuck dandelions
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2016-06-08T17:21:11 < PeterM> englishman, expand?
2016-06-08T17:25:08 < englishman> they are everywhere
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2016-06-08T17:25:52 < PeterM> ok?
2016-06-08T17:29:05 < PeterM> got a slasher/brushhog?
2016-06-08T17:30:32 < englishman> if you just cut the tops they grow back ~instantly
2016-06-08T17:30:42 < englishman> gotta use this little digger tool to scoop out the rhizome
2016-06-08T17:30:56 < englishman> but, more seeds just blow in from all over the place
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2016-06-08T17:34:10  * karlp sprayed the the whole lawn with broadleaf herbicide, 
2016-06-08T17:34:29 < karlp> then mowed a few days later, then a few evenings digging out roots.
2016-06-08T17:34:36 < karlp> was horrific last year, first year in the new house,
2016-06-08T17:34:45 < karlp> not so bad this year, will be pretty easy next year.
2016-06-08T17:34:54 < karlp> old house, one year after we left is already overrun.
2016-06-08T17:34:59 < karlp> bad neighbours at the old house.
2016-06-08T17:35:27 < karlp> I actually hate this one more than dandelion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chervil
2016-06-08T17:35:39 < karlp> but fortuntely there's very little of it at the new house and it's neighbours
2016-06-08T17:36:04 < karlp> that shit has roots and persistence that makes dandelions look like pussies.
2016-06-08T17:36:18 < englishman> this year we planted hallertauer, and this year we will succeed (we read the instructions)
2016-06-08T17:37:03 < englishman> heres the garden a few weeks ago before it was finished http://s19.postimg.org/hsh20ccz7/IMG_20160601_124607.jpg
2016-06-08T17:37:08 < englishman> check out the fucking dandelions!!
2016-06-08T17:37:12 < karlp> why such an old fashioned useless hop?
2016-06-08T17:37:23 < englishman> hallertauer useless?? old fashioned??
2016-06-08T17:38:31 < dongs> lol
2016-06-08T17:38:33 < dongs> pro altium pal
2016-06-08T17:38:37 < dongs> just wasted 30 mins
2016-06-08T17:38:42 < dongs> he named one of his pins "1 "
2016-06-08T17:38:51 < dongs> took a while to figure that one out
2016-06-08T17:38:56 < PeterM> lol
2016-06-08T17:39:00 < englishman> hehe
2016-06-08T17:40:52 < Ecco> Guys, that TFT panel is driving me nuts
2016-06-08T17:40:58 < Ecco> I've no effing clue what could be wrong
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2016-06-08T18:02:34 < jadew> englishman, that's where you live?
2016-06-08T18:02:43 < englishman> thats the back yard yeah
2016-06-08T18:02:49 < jadew> it's beautiful
2016-06-08T18:02:53 < englishman> thank you
2016-06-08T18:02:55 < englishman> i love it here
2016-06-08T18:03:09 < jadew> I would too, very nice
2016-06-08T18:03:22 < englishman> i took this at about 5am last may http://i.imgur.com/g8uKGSI.jpg
2016-06-08T18:04:05 < jadew> looks peaceful
2016-06-08T18:04:17 < jadew> do you have many neighbours?
2016-06-08T18:04:37 < englishman> theres a few other families on this road, closest one is about 200m away
2016-06-08T18:04:53 < jadew> nice
2016-06-08T18:07:49 < jadew> I'd like to move as far away from the city as possible, but it's impossible to find remote places that have everything else in order in here
2016-06-08T18:08:02 < jadew> like schools, hospitals, stores
2016-06-08T18:08:34 < PeterM> im trying to find a photo of my backyard that is more recent than like a year ago
2016-06-08T18:08:55 < englishman> this place is nice for that too, there's a town ~2km away and my commute into the (real) city is about 15min by car
2016-06-08T18:09:03 < jadew> I live in an apartment, so my backyard is some trees and then the road
2016-06-08T18:09:21 < jadew> englishman, that sounds nice
2016-06-08T18:09:49 < jadew> if we moved 15 minutes away from the city we'd end up in a tiny house
2016-06-08T18:10:00 < jadew> or if we wanted that kind of space, we'd have to pay millions
2016-06-08T18:10:22 < englishman> it will happen here too
2016-06-08T18:10:28 < englishman> eventually
2016-06-08T18:10:41 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/c0pilzC.jpg this was sept last year
2016-06-08T18:11:02 < englishman> oh wow
2016-06-08T18:11:32 < englishman> jadew: home prices are still low here, partially due to this http://s19.postimg.org/mgsghscs3/PANO_20160302_083228.jpg
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2016-06-08T18:11:38 < englishman> (pic taken in march)
2016-06-08T18:11:39 < jadew> PeterM, nice
2016-06-08T18:11:48 < englishman> are those cherry trees
2016-06-08T18:12:05 < PeterM> englishman, very very close
2016-06-08T18:12:39 < Ecco> apple trees?
2016-06-08T18:12:49 < jadew> englishman, the city doesn't take care of the snow?
2016-06-08T18:13:06 < jadew> Ecco, that's what I first thought, but that's not very close to cherry
2016-06-08T18:13:09 < englishman> jadew: they do, and on a day like that will pass dozens of times, but it adds up quickly
2016-06-08T18:13:24 < jadew> I see
2016-06-08T18:13:28 < jadew> I wouldn't mind it tho
2016-06-08T18:13:36 < PeterM> Sugar Plums (D'Agen Prunes)
2016-06-08T18:13:42 < englishman> mmm
2016-06-08T18:13:57 < englishman> jadew could make plum wine out of em
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2016-06-08T18:14:24 < jadew> we make something much stronger from plums
2016-06-08T18:14:33 < jadew> or maybe that's what plum wine is?
2016-06-08T18:14:43 < englishman> yes that stuff
2016-06-08T18:14:53 < PeterM> where you from jadew
2016-06-08T18:15:00 < jadew> PeterM, Romania
2016-06-08T18:15:00 < PeterM> like estonia or something right
2016-06-08T18:15:03 < PeterM> close
2016-06-08T18:15:04 < PeterM> close
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2016-06-08T18:15:30 < jadew> we have a very good drink that's mainly made out of plums
2016-06-08T18:15:35 < jadew> goes great with "sarmale"
2016-06-08T18:15:52 < jadew> ok, now I'm hungry
2016-06-08T18:15:59 < PeterM> abv %?
2016-06-08T18:16:20 < jadew> usually 40-45%
2016-06-08T18:16:24 < jadew> but can go higher
2016-06-08T18:16:30 < jadew> and lower
2016-06-08T18:16:47 < PeterM> ehh
2016-06-08T18:17:11 < PeterM> anything over about 20% doesn't taste great by itelf
2016-06-08T18:17:38 < jadew> lots of drunks around here would disagree
2016-06-08T18:17:47 < PeterM> good for them
2016-06-08T18:18:52 < jadew> some of them have a nice flavor, my grandmother makes another drink from it
2016-06-08T18:18:55 < jadew> called visinata
2016-06-08T18:19:07 < jadew> which is a mixture of tuica with cherries
2016-06-08T18:19:20 < jadew> takes a while to make, but it's delicious
2016-06-08T18:20:28 < PeterM> from my cursory google search, that does look quite nice
2016-06-08T18:22:02 < PeterM> im fairly fond of fortified wines and liqueurs
2016-06-08T18:24:24 < PeterM> also jadew yeah nah, you should have said somewthing like "yeah, nah, fuck off" when i said estonia was close to romania
2016-06-08T18:24:56 < jadew> it's in europe
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2016-06-08T18:25:26 < jadew> it's not really that far
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2016-06-08T18:26:23 < PeterM> border to border is liek 1000km, thats a fair way for .eu
2016-06-08T18:28:32 < jadew> I've done Germany to Romania in ~10 hours by car
2016-06-08T18:30:46 < jadew> (it doesn't seem far)
2016-06-08T18:31:12 < jadew> considering trips inside romania can take 8 to 10 hours, because we have shitty roads
2016-06-08T18:31:19 < PeterM> well it depends on which part of romania and germany, border to border thats only like 650km
2016-06-08T18:31:50 < jadew> from Heidelberg to the romanian border
2016-06-08T18:31:52 < jadew> let me check
2016-06-08T18:32:10 < jadew> 1200 km
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2016-06-08T19:26:44 < emeb> blech
2016-06-08T19:27:35 < emeb> couldn't really tell exactly what skrillex was providing other than attitude.
2016-06-08T19:28:38 < englishman> emeb:
2016-06-08T19:28:43 < englishman> if you pour water on your rock garden
2016-06-08T19:28:48 < englishman> do you get an outdoor sauna?
2016-06-08T19:29:46 < emeb> englishman: outdoor sauna comes in a few weeks when the monsoon starts and the humidity skyrockets.
2016-06-08T19:30:07 < emeb> ohsix: yeah - monologue is what I saw. Nothing but parading around AFAICT
2016-06-08T19:30:59 < emeb> weather patterns shift and we get moisture up from the SE off the Gulf of Mexico
2016-06-08T19:31:22 < emeb> If we're lucky it rains every few days - usually thunderstorms in the evening.
2016-06-08T19:32:02 < Laurenceb__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36459990
2016-06-08T19:32:06 < emeb> preceded of course by HABOOB!
2016-06-08T19:32:10 < Laurenceb__> a far right group called alt-right
2016-06-08T19:32:12 < emeb> (the word that's fun to say)
2016-06-08T19:32:16 < Laurenceb__> must be that hacker 4chan
2016-06-08T19:32:49 < Ecco> Hmmm
2016-06-08T19:32:51 < Ecco> Holyshitfuck
2016-06-08T19:33:02 < Ecco> I wonder if that fucking LCD isn't in 9bit SPI
2016-06-08T19:33:17 < Ecco> Guys, is there an easy way to do 9-bit SPI on an STM32?
2016-06-08T19:34:48 < Ecco> Yeah, my init code
2016-06-08T19:34:50 < Ecco> not the panel
2016-06-08T19:34:58 < Ecco> My init code works on an ili9341 panel
2016-06-08T19:35:08 < Ecco> so it's probably not completely broken
2016-06-08T19:35:16 < Ecco> plus I can sniff the traffic allright with a logic analyzer
2016-06-08T19:35:28 < Ecco> so it does send some not-too-broken commands over SPI
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2016-06-08T19:38:14 < Laurenceb__> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1465399437597.jpg
2016-06-08T19:38:24 < Laurenceb__> new meme face spotted
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2016-06-08T19:40:10 < Getty> can i send with latin chars some kind of greeting to chinese people? is there something they understand? ;)
2016-06-08T19:40:18 < Getty> wanna spice up the factory tester for them hrhr
2016-06-08T19:40:29 < Ecco> ohsix: Yeah, they're all pretty similar
2016-06-08T19:40:33 < Ecco> not identical, but similar
2016-06-08T19:41:43 < Getty> wow even deep political
2016-06-08T19:42:32 < Getty> yeah thats why i was struggling
2016-06-08T19:42:50 < Getty> a simple "hello" in some way would be cool, but yeah i cant bend the LCD font, or at least thats not worth it ;)
2016-06-08T19:42:58 < Getty> oh
2016-06-08T19:43:09 < Getty> its one of the blocked topics? cause of the rebellion there?
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2016-06-08T19:44:09 < Getty> i might just show the date
2016-06-08T19:44:17 < Getty> 4689
2016-06-08T19:44:22 < Getty> secret cde!
2016-06-08T19:46:22 < kakimir> designated
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2016-06-08T20:31:39 < Laurenceb__> anyone here used sleuthkit or autopsy?
2016-06-08T20:31:52 < Laurenceb__> I can't expand any directories with it :S
2016-06-08T20:32:04 < Laurenceb__> just get corrupted junk in all directories
2016-06-08T20:32:17 < Laurenceb__> yet i can mount the drive and view the contentsd
2016-06-08T20:33:19 < Steffanx> lost you data Laurenceb__?
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2016-06-08T20:37:31 < Laurenceb__> yup
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2016-06-09T02:31:27 < upgrdman> no chatz :(
2016-06-09T02:38:17 < karlp> sorry man.
2016-06-09T02:38:30 < Sync> ded
2016-06-09T02:54:51 < englishman> only gardenchats
2016-06-09T02:55:04 < englishman> how's China upgrdman
2016-06-09T02:55:56 < upgrdman> almost tolerable
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2016-06-09T02:58:20 < englishman> how many personal smog filters have you used today
2016-06-09T02:58:22 < hentai-king> sup crt
2016-06-09T02:58:58 < upgrdman> lol none yet. but i am tempted to buy a hepa filter for my hotel room
2016-06-09T03:00:34 < jadew> is it that bad?
2016-06-09T03:02:53 < jadew> on that topic, I have a big air purifier in here and there's still dust everywhere
2016-06-09T03:04:25 < Rob235> stop having skin
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2016-06-09T04:23:59 < upgrdman> can anyone get to this domain:  cgartwork.com
2016-06-09T04:24:48 < upgrdman> shit. guess cn blocked me then.
2016-06-09T04:25:35 < upgrdman> i cant reach it in cn
2016-06-09T04:26:10 < upgrdman> no. thanks tho.
2016-06-09T04:29:08 < upgrdman> i can reach that page
2016-06-09T04:31:24 < dongs> hello autistic chats
2016-06-09T04:31:29 < dongs> from my rageberrypi
2016-06-09T04:32:20 < upgrdman> i wonder if i really ogt
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2016-06-09T04:32:29 < upgrdman> i wonder if i really got popped
2016-06-09T04:32:44 < upgrdman> or if cn fucked up something temp'ly
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2016-06-09T04:33:02 < dongs> were you on it before
2016-06-09T04:33:08 < upgrdman> yes
2016-06-09T04:33:33 < upgrdman> but itvworked uere in the past, for months
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2016-06-09T04:55:54 < dongs> an unwelcome guest
2016-06-09T05:04:06 < dongs> https://leanpub.com/mastering-stm32 why should i pay this stoner $17 for an unfinished book
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2016-06-09T05:05:53 < upgrdman> can someone tell me the ip of cgartwork.com
2016-06-09T05:05:54 < dongs> upgrdchinaman
2016-06-09T05:06:03 < dongs> 97.94.169.225
2016-06-09T05:06:34 < hentai-king> how do you say part in japan?
2016-06-09T05:07:03 < hentai-king> no?
2016-06-09T05:07:04 < upgrdman> shit even by ip i cant get there. fucking popped.
2016-06-09T05:07:41 < upgrdman> im on windows
2016-06-09T05:07:42 < dongs> thats just your house static ip, no?
2016-06-09T05:07:44 < dongs> b&
2016-06-09T05:08:06 < upgrdman> its dynamic but ya
2016-06-09T05:08:25 < dongs> well the reverse actually says static
2016-06-09T05:08:29 < upgrdman> im in cn. i need it for decent quality of life
2016-06-09T05:08:46 < dongs> shoulda used odroid c2 instead of rageberry
2016-06-09T05:08:56 < dongs> faster cpu power to deflect chinese attacks
2016-06-09T05:09:04 < upgrdman> i have 2 pi v1's.
2016-06-09T05:09:11 < upgrdman> and a bunch of sd cards
2016-06-09T05:09:13 < dongs> and gigabit ethernet
2016-06-09T05:09:17 < upgrdman> so that why i use pi
2016-06-09T05:09:28 < dongs> yes but clearly its not working out
2016-06-09T05:09:40 < dongs> upgrdman: can you access bcas.tv
2016-06-09T05:09:41 < upgrdman> its not a hardware problem tho
2016-06-09T05:09:59 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/AOnnNn89.html
2016-06-09T05:10:00 < dongs> i.e. this
2016-06-09T05:10:15 < dongs> axxs
2016-06-09T05:10:21 < upgrdman> lol no
2016-06-09T05:10:28 < upgrdman> connectiobn timed out
2016-06-09T05:10:34 < dongs> lmao'd
2016-06-09T05:10:37 < dongs> i guess ur fukt
2016-06-09T05:10:46 < upgrdman> inorite
2016-06-09T05:10:48 < dongs> welcome to communism
2016-06-09T05:11:15 < upgrdman> i'll have to leach off my usa coworker's vpn
2016-06-09T05:11:31 < upgrdman> not fucked otally, but inconvenienced.
2016-06-09T05:11:47 < upgrdman> yes
2016-06-09T05:13:36 < upgrdman> as?
2016-06-09T05:13:53 < upgrdman> wtf. i cant even get to yahoo now
2016-06-09T05:21:26 < dongs> ugh
2016-06-09T05:21:31 < dongs> so much chinese spyware preinstalled on mi4c
2016-06-09T05:21:42 < dongs> looked briefly into flashing that shit and theres too scattered info
2016-06-09T05:21:53 < dongs> DO YOU WANT TO USE XIMEISOMETHING DOWNLOAD ACELERATOR
2016-06-09T05:22:01 < dongs> when i clicked update in teh fucking google store
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2016-06-09T05:51:21 < dongs> emeb: beap
2016-06-09T05:51:36 < emeb> dongs: boup
2016-06-09T05:51:48 < dongs> pretty sure you've read a pot through adc right
2016-06-09T05:51:59 < dongs> is it normal to be seeing like +-10something random values on that?
2016-06-09T05:53:01 < dongs> im watching adc in keil and its going anywehre from like 245x to 246x on the numbers
2016-06-09T05:53:46 < dongs> I even do adc >> 3 << 3 (basically cut the LSBs and its still sometimes getting through with a reading
2016-06-09T05:53:57 < dongs> wonder if I should try setting adc to not 12 bit mode
2016-06-09T05:55:24 < emeb> dongs: yep - read pots a lot. and they ADC reading will wiggle a lot.
2016-06-09T05:55:36 < dongs> waht should I do?
2016-06-09T05:55:43 < dongs> just strip low bits or wat
2016-06-09T05:56:00 < emeb> the amount depends on what MCU family you're using and how clean your VDDA is and how well you've routed / grounded the system.
2016-06-09T05:56:09 < dongs> yeah its jsut f4disco
2016-06-09T05:56:12 < dongs> and shit connected through breakout wires
2016-06-09T05:56:17 < emeb> F3 is usually pretty clean. F4 sux bigtime
2016-06-09T05:56:22 < dongs> nice
2016-06-09T05:56:34 < emeb> The best thing to do is filter the snot out of the readings.
2016-06-09T05:56:53 < dongs> yeah i was doing like 10x average, it was still pretty bad
2016-06-09T05:56:55 < emeb> if that's not sufficient then I also will use hysteresis on the filter output
2016-06-09T05:57:03 < dongs> wait, 64x average
2016-06-09T05:57:04 < dongs> lol
2016-06-09T05:57:26 < emeb> 64x and still seeing 10lsb wiggle? that's worse than I'd expect
2016-06-09T05:57:30 < dongs> should i do something smarter than average++ / count?
2016-06-09T05:57:32 < dongs> like arunning average or something
2016-06-09T05:57:48 < emeb> I usually do just 16 sample window
2016-06-09T05:57:50 < dongs> emeb: not 10 lsb, maybe 3-4
2016-06-09T05:58:05 < emeb> even after filtering?
2016-06-09T05:58:20 < dongs> ya, it ocassionally seeps through
2016-06-09T05:58:33 < emeb> well you could do really narrowband IIR
2016-06-09T05:58:38 < dongs> i filter /64 and do >>3<<3
2016-06-09T05:58:45 < dongs> and maybe once a second or so it'll trigger change on that channel
2016-06-09T05:59:01 < dongs> R2COM: this is a bunch of wires stuck to f4disco
2016-06-09T05:59:04 < dongs> im sure its not proper stuff.
2016-06-09T05:59:06 < emeb> ok - just chopping off the bottom 3 bits
2016-06-09T05:59:07 < dongs> im just trolling around
2016-06-09T05:59:23 < emeb> that can still wiggle a bit
2016-06-09T05:59:27 < emeb> you need hysteresis.
2016-06-09T06:00:27 < dongs> hehe
2016-06-09T06:00:30 < dongs> just looking at filtered value
2016-06-09T06:00:34 < dongs> its jumping between 2306 and 2296
2016-06-09T06:00:41 < dongs> err 2304
2016-06-09T06:01:01 < dongs> hm thats as lot
2016-06-09T06:01:02 < dongs> wtf
2016-06-09T06:02:14 < dongs> wait i dont see adc calibration code
2016-06-09T06:02:16 < dongs> in my startup
2016-06-09T06:02:18 < dongs> doesnt  f4 need it?
2016-06-09T06:02:22 < dongs> or is that a F3 thing only
2016-06-09T06:02:29 < emeb> F3 only IIRC
2016-06-09T06:02:54 < emeb> you still dropping the bottom 3 bits?
2016-06-09T06:02:57 < dongs> ya
2016-06-09T06:03:10 < dongs> 2304 -> 2296 jump just looks like i need to drop 4 bits :)
2016-06-09T06:03:21 < emeb> so anytime the value changes by >7 counts you'll see that.
2016-06-09T06:03:26 < dongs> right
2016-06-09T06:03:35 < dongs> i think my average is to odumb
2016-06-09T06:03:38 < dongs> its not  even a running average
2016-06-09T06:03:46 < dongs> so its probably getting that change each time i reset it
2016-06-09T06:04:04 < emeb> but - if the untruncated value is close to the threshold you'll still see it jump no matter how many bits you drop
2016-06-09T06:04:10 < emeb> you need hysteresis
2016-06-09T06:04:16 < dongs> how2
2016-06-09T06:04:30 < emeb> you keep the previous value
2016-06-09T06:05:03 < emeb> subtract new value from previous and take abs(). If that's > some threshold then update the previous to the new.
2016-06-09T06:05:14 < emeb> set threshold large enough and then it won't jump.
2016-06-09T06:05:50 < emeb> only moves when you tweak the pot.
2016-06-09T06:05:53 < dongs> 'previous' would be my final number here tho right?
2016-06-09T06:05:56 < emeb> yes
2016-06-09T06:06:12 < dongs> yeah thats easy
2016-06-09T06:06:12 < dongs> hm.
2016-06-09T06:06:52 < dongs> how about one of those new * percentage + (1 - percentage) * old things
2016-06-09T06:06:56 < emeb> basically you set a window +/- the previous and new needs to go outside that to qualify
2016-06-09T06:06:57 < dongs> does that help
2016-06-09T06:07:12 < emeb> that's a basic 1st-order IIR
2016-06-09T06:07:21 < emeb> that helps too, but you'll still see small wiggles.
2016-06-09T06:07:33 < emeb> combine that with your hysteresis
2016-06-09T06:07:44 < emeb> with filtering the hysteresis can be small, but it must be non-zero
2016-06-09T06:08:57 < dongs> and drop /64 average?
2016-06-09T06:09:56 < dongs> R2COM: a pot turning
2016-06-09T06:10:23 < dongs> yeah, well, not triggering my update callback for no reason
2016-06-09T06:10:29 < dongs> im doing wat emeb said, gonna find out soon
2016-06-09T06:11:21 < dongs> emeb: wats a good number for alpha in that iir
2016-06-09T06:11:31 < dongs> ooohhh hardfault
2016-06-09T06:11:33 < dongs> mfkr
2016-06-09T06:12:15 < dongs> maybe i forgot to initialzie floating point shit
2016-06-09T06:12:29 < emeb> dongs: I'd use 0.05 or so for the IIR coeff.
2016-06-09T06:12:44 < emeb> that settles in ~40 samples or so
2016-06-09T06:13:45 < dongs> sweet. my systeminit didn't have the stuff
2016-06-09T06:15:25 < emeb> gah
2016-06-09T06:15:51 < dongs> nice
2016-06-09T06:16:00 < dongs> only seeing adc walk around +-4 now
2016-06-09T06:16:08 < dongs> raw after IIR with 0.1f
2016-06-09T06:16:44 < dongs> hm but i fucked osmething else up
2016-06-09T06:22:39 < dongs> copypaste fail
2016-06-09T06:23:46 < emeb> bbiab
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2016-06-09T06:32:47 < dongs> Sir,
2016-06-09T06:32:48 < dongs> I am using STM32F4 Discovery I am having problem with it when ever I connect it with USB through PC it does not show SWD and JTAG and its LD1 remains green and its IC for debugging becomes very hot. Even if I connect it with external supply this IC STM32F103C8T6 becomes very hot.
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2016-06-09T06:34:20 < PeterM> "Have you tried using the USB cable you connected the board to the PC with, to neck yourself sir?"
2016-06-09T06:34:47 < dongs> teh fuck includes abs()
2016-06-09T06:34:49 < dongs> its not in math.h
2016-06-09T06:34:52 < dongs> and usually i just macro that shit
2016-06-09T06:34:55 < dongs> i gues si mgiht as well now
2016-06-09T06:35:34 < dongs> probly but this shit is not even float
2016-06-09T06:39:42 < emeb_mac> dongs: stdlib?
2016-06-09T06:40:05 < dongs> donno i just copyied my old macro across.
2016-06-09T06:40:32 < emeb_mac> works. just y = x <0 ? -x : x;;
2016-06-09T06:40:38 < dongs> basically that
2016-06-09T06:41:02  * emeb_mac loves the ternary operator
2016-06-09T06:44:00 < emeb_mac> fatfinger
2016-06-09T06:52:25 < dongs> asian dicks you mean
2016-06-09T06:53:36 < dongs> damn
2016-06-09T06:53:41 < dongs> i thinmk im sampling this analog shit waaaay too fast
2016-06-09T06:54:07 < dongs> i think every 1ms is overkill
2016-06-09T06:58:02 < dongs> k, iir + hysteresis (properly implemented LOL) totally solved the walking pots
2016-06-09T06:58:22 < dongs> i had a if (abs(value) > 10) before, instead of oldvalue -  value
2016-06-09T06:58:27 < dongs> like... yeah.
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2016-06-09T07:16:33 < Yoduza> L4950V5 alternatives ?
2016-06-09T07:16:50 < Yoduza> http://www.vwlowen.co.uk/arduino/AD9850-waveform-generator/AD9850-waveform-generator.htm
2016-06-09T07:17:50 < dongs> what
2016-06-09T07:17:58 < dongs> thats just a fucking LM7805 right
2016-06-09T07:19:25 < dongs> haha void getStep() {
2016-06-09T07:19:27 < dongs> in that code
2016-06-09T07:20:42 < Yoduza> Voltage - Dropout (Typical)     2V @ 1A
2016-06-09T07:20:44 < Yoduza> :o
2016-06-09T07:20:52 < Yoduza> LM7805
2016-06-09T07:21:11 < dongs> and?
2016-06-09T07:21:23 < dongs> you're poweringf it from 12V
2016-06-09T07:21:25 < dongs> so wheres the problem
2016-06-09T07:22:40 < Yoduza> ok, will try LM7805
2016-06-09T07:30:33 < dongs> wat
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2016-06-09T07:35:36 < dongs> looks boring
2016-06-09T07:36:27 < dongs> does to me
2016-06-09T07:41:11 < dongs> good plan
2016-06-09T07:41:27 < dongs> im off to innovation town
2016-06-09T07:44:28 < hentai-king> sup crt
2016-06-09T07:52:40 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/AhN52Yf.png nice chart
2016-06-09T07:53:29 < hentai-king> the standard benchmark
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2016-06-09T08:02:28 < upgrdman> yay i unpop'd my vpn
2016-06-09T08:02:40 < upgrdman> ohsix, fucking horrible.
2016-06-09T08:02:52 < dongs> autism in progress
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2016-06-09T08:05:20 < upgrdman> ohsix, drift over time, very poor proportional performance, inconsistant between servos... just all around fucked up
2016-06-09T08:05:44 < upgrdman> good enough for ardutards, but not for PRO-maker stuff
2016-06-09T08:06:03 < dongs> upgrdman: http://i.imgur.com/AhN52Yf.png
2016-06-09T08:07:11 < upgrdman> well its typical china bandwidth
2016-06-09T08:07:12 < upgrdman> so
2016-06-09T08:07:18 < upgrdman> like 4Mbps if everything is asleep
2016-06-09T08:07:28 < upgrdman> and like 4Kbps if fuckers are awake
2016-06-09T08:07:51 < upgrdman> dongs, is that sfw
2016-06-09T08:08:16 < dongs> very
2016-06-09T08:09:26 < upgrdman> 80fps for angry fuckers
2016-06-09T08:09:32 < upgrdman> how the fuck is that shit so slow
2016-06-09T08:09:35 < upgrdman> its 2d shits
2016-06-09T08:16:15 < emeb_mac> dongs: pots all better now?
2016-06-09T08:16:20 < dongs> ya all good
2016-06-09T08:16:28 < dongs> no noise
2016-06-09T08:16:37 < dongs> writing onchanged() stuff for them
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2016-06-09T08:24:03 < emeb_mac> awesome
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2016-06-09T08:35:21 < emeb_mac> ohsix: nah, nothing like that.
2016-06-09T08:35:37 < emeb_mac> it's mostly on-chip electrical noise
2016-06-09T08:36:27 < emeb_mac> esp on the F4 parts - they've got an appnote that talks about how the flash cache generates a lot of substrate noise
2016-06-09T08:36:57 < emeb_mac> apparently disabling the cache improves the analog performance
2016-06-09T08:37:12 < emeb_mac> but that hits performance pretty bad so no one does it
2016-06-09T08:37:17 < dongs> im not that worried its just pots on a shitboard, and analog is going ovber chinajumper wires
2016-06-09T08:39:04 < emeb_mac> does the F3 have a cache?
2016-06-09T08:39:19 < emeb_mac> I think the flash memory system on the F3 can keep up w/o cache
2016-06-09T08:41:11 < emeb_mac> I've got an F373 where I use the SDADC for input and the on-chip DAC for output. works OK for audio
2016-06-09T08:41:38 < dongs> got a nice onclick() thing done using bitmask of previous
2016-06-09T08:41:53 < dongs> changed = now ^ prev
2016-06-09T08:42:14 < hentai-king> good work dong
2016-06-09T08:52:01 < dongs> whats your  current stm32 project, stoner?
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2016-06-09T08:53:18 < dongs> thats what I thought
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2016-06-09T09:44:08 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNKsLlK52ss&list=PL93hex4duPQEvJ5GyUiQTfdcj4U-9t9UM&index=1
2016-06-09T09:44:15 < ReadError> been watching these
2016-06-09T09:51:04 < upgrdman> was it the chinagirl eating a corn cob on a drill?
2016-06-09T09:51:24 < upgrdman> lol
2016-06-09T09:52:14 < upgrdman> i brought ~4TB with me
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2016-06-09T09:55:27 < upgrdman> k
2016-06-09T10:04:23 < dongs> of porn?
2016-06-09T10:04:24 < dongs> damn.
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2016-06-09T12:37:26 < Guest6855> Fuck guys
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2016-06-09T12:37:37 < dongs> figured out your lcd/
2016-06-09T12:37:43 < Ecco> Yep
2016-06-09T12:37:48 < dongs> was it something dumb
2016-06-09T12:37:56 < Ecco> it was a fucking trap man
2016-06-09T12:38:06 < Ecco> the FPC had a data/instruction pin
2016-06-09T12:38:28 < Ecco> (so that you can tell wether what you're sending over SPI is data or instruction)
2016-06-09T12:38:32 < Ecco> and...
2016-06-09T12:38:35 < dongs> mhm
2016-06-09T12:38:36 < Ecco> they don't actually use it
2016-06-09T12:38:43 < Ecco> the panel expects 9-bit SPI
2016-06-09T12:38:50 < Ecco> (which, by the way, is a pain in the ass)
2016-06-09T12:38:53 < dongs> cute
2016-06-09T12:39:04 < Ecco> I have to buffer that shit up and stream it byte-by-byte
2016-06-09T12:39:17 < dongs> sounds like my 12bit in 32bit problem
2016-06-09T12:39:24 < Ecco> which was?
2016-06-09T12:39:28 < dongs> exactly that
2016-06-09T12:39:33 < dongs> i needed 12-bit spi
2016-06-09T12:39:40 < dongs> or buffer it and send it byte by byte :)
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2016-06-09T12:40:32 < ReadError> sostoned
2016-06-09T12:41:03 < Lux> st should make a less sucky spi peripheral
2016-06-09T12:41:38 < Ecco> well, 12-bit SPI is somewhat less terrible, because 2 commands become 3 bytes
2016-06-09T12:42:49 < Lux> Ecco: maybe you could use usart ?
2016-06-09T12:42:58 < Ecco> Yeah, I've seen this being mentionned
2016-06-09T12:43:06 < Lux> there usually is a 9 bit mode there
2016-06-09T12:43:17 < Lux> and you can have a clock outpult like with spi
2016-06-09T12:44:02 < dongs> wat about start/stop bits trash
2016-06-09T12:45:01 < Lux> maybe you can set it to 0
2016-06-09T12:45:07 < Lux> i never checked though
2016-06-09T12:45:43 < dongs> pretty sure you cannot remove start
2016-06-09T12:45:46 < dongs> antyway, just bitbang that shit
2016-06-09T12:47:34 < Lux> but isn't start/stop just low with no clock ?
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2016-06-09T12:48:14 < dongs> yeah if its not clocking then youre done
2016-06-09T12:48:19 < dongs> im way too lazy to care/check
2016-06-09T12:48:29 < Lux> ya looks like it from the ref manual
2016-06-09T12:48:31 < dongs> plus this depends on his board having uart AF on same pins as spi
2016-06-09T12:48:40 < Lux> right
2016-06-09T12:48:47 < dongs> i think a few actually do that
2016-06-09T12:48:52 < dongs> spi_sck and uartx_sck
2016-06-09T12:48:58 < trepidacious> So... DACCVIOL, looks like I need to do something with the PC value to find out which instruction boned everything?
2016-06-09T12:49:15 < dongs> i duno, you tell us
2016-06-09T12:49:24 < trepidacious> :(
2016-06-09T12:49:31 < dongs> whatus DACCVIOL
2016-06-09T12:49:50 < dongs> oh, cortex thingf
2016-06-09T12:50:00 < karlp> dongs: does your mi4c come with the feature of autocomplete phonenumbers based on chinese yellow pages?
2016-06-09T12:50:12 < trepidacious> Yup I got a hardfault and I'm trying to work out why
2016-06-09T12:50:12 < dongs> karlp: probably, i ahvent tried using it foe calls yet
2016-06-09T12:50:16 < karlp> there's meant to be a cyanogen for it, but I've not tried anything else on mine yet.
2016-06-09T12:50:18 < trepidacious> I think I'm looking at the wrong bit anyway :(
2016-06-09T12:50:19 < dongs> trepidacious: just look at stack trace?
2016-06-09T12:50:36 < dongs> karlp: yeah uh, i briefly looked into whats involved and it was tl;dr
2016-06-09T12:50:39 < dongs> so i just stopped caring
2016-06-09T12:51:28 < dongs> im not getting chinese autocomplete
2016-06-09T12:51:29 < dongs> wehn dialig
2016-06-09T12:51:47 < trepidacious> dongs: Hardfault seems to break the stacktrace
2016-06-09T12:52:20 < karlp> on the dialler, like type 778, and it shows me some of my contacts, but also some chinese directory shit at the bottom, I've not been able to turn off
2016-06-09T12:52:32 < karlp> what are you using it for if not for calls?
2016-06-09T12:52:44 < karlp> I mean, I get people buy android tablets and shit, but buying an android phone?
2016-06-09T12:56:36 < trepidacious> I was looking at BFSR to see if that was what caused it, but the value is 0x1, which is weird since that bit isn't listed in the programming manual
2016-06-09T12:59:02 < karlp> tried vecstate.gdb?
2016-06-09T12:59:11 < PaulFertser> trepidacious: hardfault shouldn't break stacktrace, also, https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32-Logger/blob/master/jtag/armv7m-macros.gdb
2016-06-09T12:59:46 < karlp> also available at https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/armv7m-vecstate-zippe.gdb which is in the topic too...
2016-06-09T12:59:54 < trepidacious> Thanks
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2016-06-09T13:02:30 < trepidacious> Everything's broken today, magic bug with pasting from Parallels into any other application crashing that application, in this case my IRC client :(
2016-06-09T13:10:46 < dongs> trepidacious: not for me
2016-06-09T13:10:51 < dongs> i had one earlier today
2016-06-09T13:10:56 < dongs> due to not enabling FP
2016-06-09T13:10:57 < dongs> on F4
2016-06-09T13:11:01 < dongs> and using float instructions
2016-06-09T13:11:12 < dongs> saw it right away in the general vicinity of making fp stuff
2016-06-09T13:11:36 < dongs> hm zippe
2016-06-09T13:11:42 < dongs> i guess he ragequit
2016-06-09T13:11:45 < dongs> back to *bsd
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2016-06-09T13:14:54 < trepidacious> Apparently I'm trying to execute something in ram_heap(), 0x20005948
2016-06-09T13:15:06 < trepidacious> That seems bad
2016-06-09T13:15:06 < dongs> do you have a function pointer gone wrong?
2016-06-09T13:15:18 < trepidacious> That would make sense...
2016-06-09T13:15:18 < dongs> oh, if its in ram heap you're probably fucking up stack someweher?
2016-06-09T13:15:32 < trepidacious> Yeah maybe stack overflow
2016-06-09T13:15:48 < dongs> my checklist for shit crashing at random
2016-06-09T13:15:53 < dongs> 1) increase stack
2016-06-09T13:16:00 < dongs> 2) look at backtrace
2016-06-09T13:16:03 < dongs> 3) keep guessing until shit is fixed
2016-06-09T13:16:06 < dongs> seems to work pretty good
2016-06-09T13:16:13 < trepidacious> Sounds good :)
2016-06-09T13:21:15 < trepidacious> Thinking about it... I have just added some stack stuff to that thread, totally plausible that I'm overflowing :(
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2016-06-09T13:37:04 < karlp> urgent 3d printing needs: http://imgur.com/bwoIGrx
2016-06-09T13:38:32 < dongs> is their office nearby?
2016-06-09T13:40:28 < Fleck> shallow thinking...
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2016-06-09T13:54:19 < karlp> no idea, there's offices in that area sure, but if you're right in that area, I still can't imagine it would be easier to carry the parts of the box upstairs to the office rather than just the box itself.
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2016-06-09T14:07:55 < dongs> my 3d pal says that printer is garbage anyway
2016-06-09T14:08:08 < dongs> too slow
2016-06-09T14:08:29 < karlp> no clue, just an odd/unusual sight :)
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2016-06-09T14:25:10 < trepidacious> Hm, I don't think it's actually stack overflow, the stack is still full of the padding it starts out with
2016-06-09T14:25:34 < trepidacious> I don't think it's function pointers either since I only use them for one specific thing, and that thing is not being triggered.
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2016-06-09T14:27:39 < ReadError> god nexus is the biggest piece of shit tablet ever
2016-06-09T14:27:53 < ReadError> ipad will stay changed for 2 months
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2016-06-09T14:40:09 < capacitor> sup crt
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2016-06-09T15:16:31 < mra90> Do all cortex-M uCs have MMU ?
2016-06-09T15:16:49 < mra90> with virtual address mapping ?
2016-06-09T15:17:03 < karlp> do you read the datasheets or features at all?
2016-06-09T15:17:18  * capacitor lights a cigar
2016-06-09T15:18:08 < mra90> karlp: yess
2016-06-09T15:18:49 < mra90> I found MMU in ARM architecture manual
2016-06-09T15:19:32 < jpa-> mra90: i'm not aware of any cortex-M with MMU
2016-06-09T15:19:45 < mra90> me too
2016-06-09T15:20:39 < karlp> arm has quite a lot of architecture manuals. were you reading one appropriate for cortex-m?
2016-06-09T15:21:20 < mra90> karlp: probbaly not
2016-06-09T15:21:28 < mra90> ok
2016-06-09T15:21:29 < jpa-> such useful chats
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2016-06-09T15:22:33 < capacitor> where did crt go
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2016-06-09T15:26:09 < mitrax> capacitor: up the mountains
2016-06-09T15:26:24 < capacitor> goin' fishin?
2016-06-09T15:26:31 < mitrax> capacitor: yup
2016-06-09T15:26:51 < capacitor> he cuts the heads off a all the things he kills
2016-06-09T15:27:15 < mitrax> so i've heard
2016-06-09T15:28:24 < mitrax> capacitor: and he fucks wild ducks
2016-06-09T15:28:50 < capacitor> a one armed duck fucker
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2016-06-09T15:46:14 < mitrax> capacitor: trolling #electronics?
2016-06-09T15:47:12 < capacitor> they troll themselves
2016-06-09T15:47:44 < dongs> srsly
2016-06-09T15:47:50 < dongs> that place is a cesspool
2016-06-09T15:47:53 < dongs> however
2016-06-09T15:47:56 < dongs> they've banned ohsix
2016-06-09T15:47:59 < capacitor> ^
2016-06-09T15:48:02 < dongs> so they have at least SOME bit of sense left
2016-06-09T15:49:28 < dongs> is cmsis 5 final yet
2016-06-09T15:49:49 < dongs> https://github.com/ARM-software/CMSIS_5
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2016-06-09T15:52:11 < karlp> tehy're going to include flash loader stuff in cmsis somehow?
2016-06-09T15:52:16 < karlp> that would be interesting,
2016-06-09T15:52:29 < karlp> should make it dramatically easier to get new targets in openocd for flash then.
2016-06-09T15:52:48 < karlp> I wonder if iar will have "shitty functional" ones that go into cmsis packs and "fast good oens" they use themselves?
2016-06-09T15:54:43 < dongs> whats flash loader?
2016-06-09T15:54:47 < dongs> you mean flashing algorithms?
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2016-06-09T15:59:00 < dongs> http://cpc.farnell.com/cebek/c-9895-2/educational-kit-robot-arm/dp/HK0122463
2016-06-09T15:59:44 < dongs> http://imgur.com/lj7B5sQ
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2016-06-09T16:08:34 < mitrax> ahahah
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2016-06-09T16:16:40 < Cicero-MF> hahaha, that gets more funny the more I watch it
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2016-06-09T16:40:23 < karlp> I don't really get the push for a robot that is the same form factor as a human. like is that really the right idea?
2016-06-09T16:41:00 < jpa-> karlp: well, it is useful as a common interface to things designed for humans
2016-06-09T16:41:14 < jpa-> non-human robots are already pretty common but they are all single-purpose
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2016-06-09T16:54:53 < mitrax> a fuckdroid the shape of BB-8 wouldn't sell
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2016-06-09T17:02:22 < qyx> anyone knows about a good low-voltage half-bridge driver? minimum Vdd ~2V
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2016-06-09T17:19:05 < Laurenceb_> https://media2.8ch.net/pol/src/1465435199549-0.png
2016-06-09T17:20:36 < dongs> not funny laurenceb.png
2016-06-09T17:21:50 < mitrax> uh, that shit is 4 years old
2016-06-09T17:22:18 < Thorn> https://fat.gfycat.com/OccasionalFreeEastsiberianlaika.webm
2016-06-09T17:22:43 < Laurenceb_> origin of siberian mouse?
2016-06-09T17:23:07 < Laurenceb_> nope no Siberian Mouse :(
2016-06-09T17:23:17 < Laurenceb_> NSA is dissapoint
2016-06-09T17:26:36 < Laurenceb_> I still want to know what Siberian Mouse is and why its on Snowdens NSA filter list
2016-06-09T17:26:43 < Laurenceb_> Siberian Mouse, sup NSA
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2016-06-09T17:30:05 < dongs> huh wtf
2016-06-09T17:30:13 < dongs> some dude from DENSO INTERNATIONAL ordered my trash
2016-06-09T17:30:26 < dongs> googled, apparently some carshitmaking place
2016-06-09T17:30:43 < karlp> your trash what, ipad displays or other trash?
2016-06-09T17:30:47 < dongs> ya
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2016-06-09T17:33:36 < qyx> denso
2016-06-09T17:33:55 < qyx> isn't that the company in america which fucked up that toyota engine controller?
2016-06-09T17:34:43 < dongs> i read teh fuckup, i dunno who was responsible
2016-06-09T17:38:00 < dongs> https://worldofvnc.net/browse.php?id=1726 haha
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2016-06-09T17:41:19 < Ecco> hah, good one
2016-06-09T17:41:24 < Ecco> can you drive the mouse?
2016-06-09T17:41:37 < Ecco> "Country: South Korea" -> no shit sherlock
2016-06-09T17:41:57 < dongs> its just a screenshot from like3 months ago
2016-06-09T17:46:12 < Laurenceb_> need to make a bot to troll the NSA
2016-06-09T17:46:20 < Laurenceb_> TAILS Linux
2016-06-09T17:58:00 < englishman> denso is gigantic jap carparts company dongs
2016-06-09T17:58:41 < englishman> probably someone ordering StarCraft screens to work address
2016-06-09T17:58:54 < dongs> ya
2016-06-09T17:58:56 < dongs> and paying with company cc
2016-06-09T17:59:01 < englishman> ah haha
2016-06-09T17:59:18 < englishman> expect iPad screens in new Toyota then
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2016-06-09T18:10:38 < Laurenceb_> top trolling http://imgur.com/IzaDiUx
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2016-06-09T20:43:56 < karlp> heh, armv8 is going to all be armv8-m, no v6 or v7 like m0/m3, but now it will be armv7-m "baseline" or "mainline"
2016-06-09T20:44:00 < karlp> thanks for fucking up naming arm
2016-06-09T20:45:20 < zyp> huh?
2016-06-09T20:47:15 < zyp> oh, right, armv8-m is announced
2016-06-09T20:48:15 < karlp> yeah, seems to be all about just adding "secure" mode.
2016-06-09T20:48:27 < zyp> yeah, stack checking
2016-06-09T20:49:00 < zyp> and trustzone, wonder what that'll be useful for
2016-06-09T20:49:23 < karlp> telling people that their new hardware is secure, because it has armv8...
2016-06-09T20:49:34 < karlp> these cmsis packs look complicated and weird.
2016-06-09T20:49:59 < karlp> I guess it "just works" if you use the right tools
2016-06-09T20:50:26 < Laurenceb_> secure mode on embedded...
2016-06-09T20:50:27 < Laurenceb_> whyyyy
2016-06-09T20:50:35 < karlp> because SECURE silly
2016-06-09T20:50:42 < zyp> «Bus compatibility with Cortex-A systems, enabling the TrustZone security state to extend across Cortex-A and Cortex-M systems»
2016-06-09T20:50:57 < zyp> might be convenient for hybrid SoCs
2016-06-09T20:50:58 < Laurenceb_> I guess thats kind of cool in a cryptonerd way
2016-06-09T20:51:04 < zyp> yeah
2016-06-09T20:51:06 < Laurenceb_> Snowden approves
2016-06-09T20:51:12 < zyp> I guess it's useful for crypto shit as well
2016-06-09T20:51:23 < karlp> was just reading this: https://github.com/ARM-software/CMSIS_5/blob/master/CMSIS_EW2016.pdf
2016-06-09T20:52:09 < Sync> Laurenceb_: because nintendo can't fuck up their own trusted platform shit then
2016-06-09T20:52:19 < karlp> not much detail on the flash loader thing though
2016-06-09T20:52:21 < Laurenceb_> haha nintendo
2016-06-09T20:52:38 < Laurenceb_> I don't understand how they are still in business
2016-06-09T20:53:02 < karlp> I wonder how CMSIS-Driver will work in practice.
2016-06-09T20:53:14 < karlp> seems to be what everyone thought cmsis was until they realised it was just the core.
2016-06-09T21:02:21 < Laurenceb_> found Tectu  https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9221257&cid=52282465
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2016-06-09T21:33:43 < Steffanx> Don't you remember hte day you posted that Laurenceb_?
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2016-06-09T21:51:02 < Laurenceb_> I wonder if perverted justice have an irc channel
2016-06-09T21:53:01 < Steffanx> Home sweet home for Laurenceb_.
2016-06-09T21:53:08 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-06-09T21:53:22 < Steffanx> Hows the lost data?
2016-06-09T22:02:11 < PaulFertser> Hey USB wizards. For how long D+ or D- needs to be pulled high for the host to start enumeration? I'm considering to use a spare USB port as external interrupt line of sorts.
2016-06-09T22:02:53 < PaulFertser> With the simplest approach there'll be no real USB device but the fact that enumeration was attempted will be visible in the kernel log, and that'd be enough for the purpose.
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2016-06-09T22:15:21 < Ultrasauce> man that is a hideous hack
2016-06-09T22:15:23 < Ultrasauce> i love it
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2016-06-09T22:19:39 < PaulFertser> Ultrasauce: the thing is that we already have all the hardware assembled and deployed and suddenly realised that we'll greatly benefit from having async indication of a certain event. Since the SBC we use have a spare USB port, I hope we can make advantage of this hack to avoid reworking anything.
2016-06-09T22:20:04 < Ultrasauce> oh yeah I certainly understand the utility of such a thing
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2016-06-09T22:44:22 < kakimir> dongs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pXFktAbx5Y is this japan?
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2016-06-09T22:45:20 < kakimir> those syncronous walk/march dudes apparently
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2016-06-09T23:47:49 < neuro_sys> Hi, my stm32f4discovery board stopped running my code. I checked with debugger to see that it's stuck at system_stm32f4xx.c:397 where it says /* Wait till the main PLL is ready */
2016-06-09T23:47:55 < neuro_sys> while((RCC->CR & RCC_CR_PLLRDY) == 0) {}
2016-06-09T23:48:00 < neuro_sys> What might be causing this situation?
2016-06-09T23:55:59 < neuro_sys> I think it might have to do with PLL Parameters, but then they are as they were before when it has worked.
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2016-06-10T00:20:58 < knielsen> could be the external crystal that's developed a problem? (if it's used)
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2016-06-10T01:07:59 < Laurenceb_> Bestiality legalized in Canada
2016-06-10T01:08:03 < Laurenceb_> good news for englishman
2016-06-10T01:12:28 < PeterM> qyx, anything that low is sorta in the league of "just use pch+nch"
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2016-06-10T01:17:27 < karlp> 123
2016-06-10T01:17:32 < karlp> ...
2016-06-10T01:17:37 < PeterM> 312
2016-06-10T01:17:40 < PeterM> 321
2016-06-10T01:17:44 < PeterM> 213
2016-06-10T01:18:00 < PeterM> 132
2016-06-10T01:18:13 < Laurenceb_> epsilon
2016-06-10T01:19:45 < Ultrasauce> you guys are weird
2016-06-10T01:21:15 < PeterM> and your name is very good condiment, fuck off.
2016-06-10T01:22:17 < karlp> sorry, was mounting new keycaps.
2016-06-10T01:23:16 < Fleck> kind of lame, open text editor... :/
2016-06-10T01:23:27 < karlp> hence my apology.
2016-06-10T01:23:31 < karlp> totally the wrong window .)
2016-06-10T01:23:32 < PeterM> you have 3 different keycaps o n the period key?
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2016-06-10T01:24:57 < jadew> emeb, thanks for suggesting fluidsynth, got a rasberry pi 3 and it seems to work great
2016-06-10T01:25:37 < emeb> jadew: awesome!
2016-06-10T01:25:47 < emeb> jadew: what do you use for audio output?
2016-06-10T01:26:02 < jadew> a cheap speaker
2016-06-10T01:26:23 < emeb> on-board PWM audio, or a USB Audio codec?
2016-06-10T01:26:35 < jadew> ah, the onboard audio
2016-06-10T01:26:39 < jadew> hi ohsix
2016-06-10T01:27:09 < jadew> it had a weird hiss at first, but went away when I turned the volume up
2016-06-10T01:27:38 < emeb> I've been fooling around with FM synthesis stuff -  got an 8-operator 16 voice poly FM synth running in hardware on a lattice ice40 ultra part.
2016-06-10T01:27:55 < emeb> uses about 30% of the resources on a 4k part
2016-06-10T01:28:48 < jadew> emeb, nice
2016-06-10T01:29:43 < jadew> anyway, now I have to find a case for the PI cuz it has a lot of rough edges and it's for my son
2016-06-10T01:30:38 < jadew> I never really looked into midi
2016-06-10T01:30:59 < jadew> I tried to make a soundfont based synth at one point, but I gave up half way through making the soundfont reader
2016-06-10T01:34:24 < Ultrasauce> emeb cool make a demo video
2016-06-10T01:35:19 < emeb> Ultrasauce: that's in the plan. I need to flesh out the voice programming a bit more and add some code to drive notes into it from USB audio midi class
2016-06-10T01:35:37 < emeb> right now it's just hard coded with a button. :P
2016-06-10T01:36:42 < karlp> jadew: what did you make exactly?
2016-06-10T01:37:34 < jadew> karlp, wouldn't say I made anything, I just installed a synth on a RPI so my son can play the midi keyboard without having to turn on my laptop
2016-06-10T01:38:35 < jadew> he keeps stepping on the USB cables
2016-06-10T01:38:52 < jadew> (close to the socket)
2016-06-10T01:39:09 < karlp> what is midi in on the pi?
2016-06-10T01:39:42 < jadew> a USB MIDI keyboard
2016-06-10T01:40:10 < karlp> oh, they keyboard's midi, duh.
2016-06-10T01:40:16 < karlp> with usb directly.
2016-06-10T01:40:19 < jadew> yeah
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2016-06-10T03:12:11 < dongs> karlp: yes
2016-06-10T03:12:11 < dongs> err
2016-06-10T03:12:13 < dongs> kakimir: yes
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2016-06-10T03:41:35 < Yoduza> any news from Adafruit ?
2016-06-10T03:43:19 < dongs> what
2016-06-10T03:43:23 < dongs> did she get anal cancer?
2016-06-10T03:43:29 < dongs> hoepfully
2016-06-10T03:44:06 < Laurenceb_> she was revealed as being Whitney Wisconsin
2016-06-10T03:46:12 < Yoduza> anal cancer :D
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2016-06-10T04:02:06 < dongs> http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/adafruit-launches-adabox-quarterly-subscription-service-26-05-2016/ such aids
2016-06-10T04:03:30 < Yoduza> sorry for russian https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bedLP_SOHoo
2016-06-10T04:03:58 < Yoduza> 1500 W energy device ^^
2016-06-10T04:06:09 < dongs> not interested unless 1) adafruit 2) free energy
2016-06-10T04:07:41 < Yoduza> Switzerland Collider also ?
2016-06-10T04:07:46 < dongs> all me EE knowledge comes from adafruit ask an engineer podcasts
2016-06-10T04:08:12 < Yoduza> Switzerland Collider have 100 Terra Watts
2016-06-10T04:08:21 < Yoduza> "free energy"
2016-06-10T04:11:24 < dongs> dong energy
2016-06-10T04:12:21 < Yoduza> Tesla enery ;)
2016-06-10T04:12:32 < Yoduza> *energy
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2016-06-10T04:25:56 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/php/Raspberry-Receive-COPY-fax-then/
2016-06-10T04:25:56 < dongs> haha
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2016-06-10T04:27:28 < Yoduza> wake up, now on top https://www.xbtfreelancer.com/projects.php
2016-06-10T04:27:45 < dongs> buttcoin? haha
2016-06-10T04:28:28 < Yoduza> $700 each, ha ha
2016-06-10T04:35:01 < Laurenceb_>  (((dongs)))
2016-06-10T04:35:06 < dongs> a cheap rolex is $10k each
2016-06-10T04:35:10 < dongs> does that mean you needto have one?
2016-06-10T04:39:26 < dongs> speakingof buttcoin whats the deal wiht mtgox?
2016-06-10T04:39:31 < dongs> did they find all the missing money?
2016-06-10T04:39:54 < Laurenceb_> it was an inside (((job)))
2016-06-10T04:40:02 < dongs> that much is obvious
2016-06-10T04:40:18 < dongs> karpeles was a retarded weeb php coder
2016-06-10T04:40:39 < dongs> he couldnt even  embezzle shit propewrly if his life depended on it
2016-06-10T04:40:42 < Laurenceb_> you mean weeve
2016-06-10T04:41:15 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should write an infinity next replacement for internet fame
2016-06-10T04:41:42 < Laurenceb_> https://medium.com/@infinitechan/infinity-never-3d5f733af739#.bclnlf7an
2016-06-10T04:41:58 < dongs> cool tracking in URL, NOT clicking
2016-06-10T04:42:07 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-06-10T04:42:09 < Laurenceb_> Three days ago, January 23rd 2016, Joshua and I ate pizza and watched King of the Hill
2016-06-10T04:42:25 < Laurenceb_> reason why nothing was ever finished right there
2016-06-10T04:42:25 < dongs> thanks for pasting, thats as far as I needed to read
2016-06-10T04:42:34 < dongs> anything involving american tv can fuck right off
2016-06-10T04:42:57  * Laurenceb_ wonders if infinity next could be written just in c
2016-06-10T04:43:04 < Laurenceb_> how complex can it be...
2016-06-10T04:43:10 < dongs> what is it
2016-06-10T04:43:36 < Laurenceb_> 4chan/8chan/<foo>chan "next generation" system
2016-06-10T04:43:38 < dongs> some new emdrive simulation?
2016-06-10T04:43:41 < dongs> o i c
2016-06-10T04:43:50 < Laurenceb_> it does all chan stuff in one platform
2016-06-10T04:44:04 < Laurenceb_> removes all bloatware, made of unicorns etc
2016-06-10T04:45:15 < Laurenceb_> was a hoax project by this guy https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Ichverbot
2016-06-10T04:47:00 < Laurenceb_> His employers described his coding skills as "adequate", but they recommended he not interact directly with customers.
2016-06-10T04:47:03 < Laurenceb_> fucking lol
2016-06-10T04:48:40  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2016-06-10T04:51:43 < dongs> you should partner with ohsix
2016-06-10T04:51:48 < dongs> to get stuff done
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2016-06-10T05:11:35 < capacitor> sup crt
2016-06-10T05:12:42 < dongs> youre pumping arent you
2016-06-10T05:12:54 < capacitor> nah just chillin
2016-06-10T05:13:17 < ReadError> sdcard slots
2016-06-10T05:13:19 < ReadError> so many
2016-06-10T05:13:31 < dongs> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ lol dumb fucking cloner
2016-06-10T05:13:32 < ReadError> push pull, push push
2016-06-10T05:13:50 < machinehum1> Does a .elf output from the compiler contain metadata as to where it should lie in the memory map
2016-06-10T05:14:01 < dongs> machinehum1: yes
2016-06-10T05:14:15 < machinehum1> And a .bin does not, straight binary
2016-06-10T05:14:43 < machinehum1> ?
2016-06-10T05:15:07 < dongs> yeah.
2016-06-10T05:15:12 < dongs> thats why you enter what address bin starts at.
2016-06-10T05:15:18 < dongs> in stdink utility etc.
2016-06-10T05:17:23 < machinehum1> Cool thanks
2016-06-10T05:18:15 < Yoduza> adabox :o
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2016-06-10T05:18:21 < machinehum1> Is there anything special I need to know about booting from Main flash on an F4, I got my Boot0 pin tied to GND
2016-06-10T05:19:48 < Yoduza> many interesting devices from Adafruit usually
2016-06-10T05:21:07 < dongs> snort
2016-06-10T05:21:19 < dongs> machinehum1: your code working would be a big plus
2016-06-10T05:21:24 < dongs> and ability to debug
2016-06-10T05:21:25 < dongs> to see whats wrong
2016-06-10T05:27:40 < machinehum1> Hmm yeah it's referencing everything from the right place
2016-06-10T05:27:53 < capacitor> o6 how did you get back into stonertronics?
2016-06-10T05:28:26 < Yoduza> is it joke ada box from Adafruid ?
2016-06-10T05:29:25 < dongs> no
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2016-06-10T05:29:40 < dongs> its useless shit fromtheir retarded overpriced china-reselling store
2016-06-10T05:30:56 < Yoduza> ohh
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2016-06-10T05:50:15 < capacitor> lol ada
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2016-06-10T06:15:34 < ReadError> I Carried Out My Own Abortion 720p WEB h264-C4TV
2016-06-10T06:16:34 < capacitor> top pick ReadError
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2016-06-10T06:35:04 < jadew> sounds like an excelent movie
2016-06-10T06:35:47 < jadew> is it a documentary?
2016-06-10T06:36:55 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esT4WGbt9h8
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2016-06-10T06:44:30 < jadew> well, it looks like a BBC show, but about someone in the US :)
2016-06-10T06:45:54 < jadew> eh, everyone knows there are lots of crazy cat people
2016-06-10T06:46:53 < jadew> I think most of them are forced into the situation tho
2016-06-10T06:47:01 < jadew> cat gets pregnant => 4 extra kittens
2016-06-10T07:06:29 < capacitor> sup r2com
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2016-06-10T07:29:58 < boB_K7IQ> ohsix Better buy some of those TVP5150AM1 chips before they go obsolete
2016-06-10T07:35:04 < boB_K7IQ> Yeah, they'll be around for a while
2016-06-10T07:35:08 < Yoduza> is esp8266 with dds ?
2016-06-10T07:36:14 < boB_K7IQ> So, heard about this board for synthesizer work today using an STM32F427  MIDI and good stereo audio A/D  D/A...  Useful    http://www.axoloti.com/
2016-06-10T07:37:26 < boB_K7IQ> Oh ?   Very nice to hear about a cool board like this.  No Eagle files, yet but soon maybe
2016-06-10T07:37:36 < boB_K7IQ> not a biggie since the board is available
2016-06-10T07:37:51 < boB_K7IQ> Nice !  Will watch !
2016-06-10T07:42:53 < boB_K7IQ> The UI looks kind of like an old PC synth prog I was familiar with many years ago.  Can't remember its name now.  On-screen patch-bay sort of, connectable modules
2016-06-10T07:43:04 < boB_K7IQ> Hadn't seen this youtube channel  I subscribed
2016-06-10T07:44:31 < boB_K7IQ> Similar program for Software Defined Radio. GnuRadio  also #gnuradio IRC channell
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2016-06-10T08:03:33 < dongs> nice autistic chats
2016-06-10T08:03:37 < dongs> bbl
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2016-06-10T08:09:24 < boB_K7IQ> Sure !
2016-06-10T08:10:09 < boB_K7IQ> Yes, I'm using the STM32F446
2016-06-10T08:22:31 < emeb_mac> axoloti is pretty neat
2016-06-10T08:22:41 < emeb_mac> they've been working on that for a few years
2016-06-10T08:23:05 < emeb_mac> at one point they had a separate UI board - dunno if that's still a thing or not
2016-06-10T08:23:33 < emeb_mac> generic "they"
2016-06-10T08:24:55 < emeb_mac> hardware of it is pretty simple - I've done a bunch of similar things. The software side is the important bit.
2016-06-10T08:27:11 < emeb_mac> doubt it
2016-06-10T08:27:24 < emeb_mac> osc is pretty top-heavy
2016-06-10T08:29:41 < emeb_mac> took a look at it a while back - seems very network based.
2016-06-10T08:30:18 < emeb_mac> IP / UDP stuff.
2016-06-10T08:30:47 < Yoduza> what is the chip for amplitude modulation?
2016-06-10T08:31:16 < emeb_mac> what kind of AM - audio or RF?
2016-06-10T08:32:13 < Yoduza> what kind of transistor (name) for make 1000V from 1v ?
2016-06-10T08:33:08 < Yoduza> not all transistors can make amplitude modulation
2016-06-10T08:33:31 < Yoduza> npn
2016-06-10T08:35:09 < Yoduza> blorp?
2016-06-10T08:35:25 < Yoduza> LM350 ?
2016-06-10T08:38:37 < Yoduza> http://www.seekic.com/uploadfile/ic-circuit/s200971441659327.gif
2016-06-10T08:47:46 < Yoduza> ad9850 to 1000v ?
2016-06-10T08:49:31 < Yoduza> need a 1000v lossless amplitude clear sine
2016-06-10T08:49:52 < Yoduza> for tesla coil
2016-06-10T08:50:24 < Yoduza> pwm?
2016-06-10T08:51:05 < Yoduza> pulse ? i need clear sine
2016-06-10T08:51:25 < Yoduza> tesla coil work only with clear sine
2016-06-10T08:51:49 < Yoduza> 35000 Hz and 35000Hz*5
2016-06-10T08:53:02 < Yoduza> as a driver yes
2016-06-10T08:53:27 < Yoduza> on secondary will be ~4 000 W
2016-06-10T08:54:38 < Yoduza> in 24V/3A, out 4KW
2016-06-10T09:01:23 < Yoduza> 3928 watts from sine resonance
2016-06-10T09:01:43 < emeb_mac> free energy!
2016-06-10T09:01:47 < Yoduza> http://imgur.com/nCnW4k4
2016-06-10T09:02:13 < Yoduza> thanks, emeb_mac
2016-06-10T09:02:48 < qyx> 07:54 < Yoduza> in 24V/3A, out 4KW
2016-06-10T09:02:49 < qyx> wat
2016-06-10T09:03:21 < Yoduza> if using pulse then tesla generator not working. Use only CLEAR sine
2016-06-10T09:04:03 < Yoduza> clear mean clear, nothing else mcu's etc
2016-06-10T09:04:25 < qyx> tesla audiophile spotted
2016-06-10T09:04:35 < Yoduza> pure sine ~100.000000000000000001% energy profit
2016-06-10T09:04:59 < Yoduza> clear sine 1000000..00000 energy profit
2016-06-10T09:05:09 < dongs> in: troll out: ohsix
2016-06-10T09:06:36 < Yoduza> ohh
2016-06-10T09:07:37 < Yoduza> worlds energy problems ? you mean govs energy problems ?
2016-06-10T09:07:53 < Yoduza> Kremlin ?!
2016-06-10T09:09:51 < emeb_mac> ohsix: spot what?
2016-06-10T09:10:31 < dongs> autism spot
2016-06-10T09:10:37 < dongs> ==> there
2016-06-10T09:11:17 < Yoduza> http://imgur.com/oFFcVqA
2016-06-10T09:11:19 < Yoduza> :D
2016-06-10T09:11:28 < dongs> is that a 7805
2016-06-10T09:11:35 < dongs> TTC520000000
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2016-06-10T09:11:43 < dongs> capacitor
2016-06-10T09:16:12 < Yoduza> capacitor, yes
2016-06-10T09:16:47 < Yoduza> you have one ?
2016-06-10T09:16:55 < Yoduza> need two
2016-06-10T09:18:17 < Yoduza> it is working energy devices. Out 1500W. In 24V/3A
2016-06-10T09:18:50 < Yoduza> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fgpTetzRGY
2016-06-10T09:18:55 < Yoduza> sorry for russian
2016-06-10T09:19:10 < jadew> lol
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2016-06-10T09:20:24 < Yoduza> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bedLP_SOHoo
2016-06-10T09:20:58 < Yoduza> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4egdVsOxmc
2016-06-10T09:20:58 < Yoduza> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DyLoXd4Ivk
2016-06-10T09:20:59 < Yoduza> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXh1rTFnL_A
2016-06-10T09:20:59 < Yoduza> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9OWsJ59HeY
2016-06-10T09:20:59 < Yoduza> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qva7Z5R2tgY
2016-06-10T09:20:59 < Yoduza> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdxDelj-IM8
2016-06-10T09:20:59 < Yoduza> https://youtu.be/GbWahQIne3o
2016-06-10T09:21:00 < Yoduza> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB7cH-PTEv4
2016-06-10T09:21:01 < Yoduza> sorry for russian
2016-06-10T09:21:14 < dongs> i think you mean SORRY FOR DUMB
2016-06-10T09:21:17 < dongs> what teh fufkc is this shit bro
2016-06-10T09:21:27 < jadew> overunity device
2016-06-10T09:21:28 < dongs> Yoduza: /msg ohsix with all that shit, keep it out of the channel
2016-06-10T09:22:44 < Yoduza> the guy named Ruslan Kulabuhov made this device. He is from Latvia, Riga city. He show it on russian on video.
2016-06-10T09:23:05 < dongs> does he have a kickstarter
2016-06-10T09:23:08 < jadew> it's bullshit
2016-06-10T09:23:14 < Yoduza> He copy device from Alex Romanov
2016-06-10T09:23:22 < jadew> you know you're in lala land when the guy is a Tesla fan
2016-06-10T09:23:29 < Yoduza> Alex Romanov copy device from Kapanadze
2016-06-10T09:23:36 < Yoduza> Kapanadze copy device from Tesla patent WikiLeaks
2016-06-10T09:24:06 < jadew> see, Tesla
2016-06-10T09:24:17 < Yoduza> WikiLeaks Tesla fan ? :o
2016-06-10T09:24:20 < Yoduza> :D
2016-06-10T09:24:23 < dongs> lol
2016-06-10T09:24:30 < dongs> tesla as in..
2016-06-10T09:24:42 < dongs> nick tesla?
2016-06-10T09:24:52 < dongs> how'd they get his patents, he's like dead??
2016-06-10T09:25:10 < Yoduza> ohh
2016-06-10T09:25:27 < jadew> Yoduza, is there a video showing this thing being measured?
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2016-06-10T09:26:03 < Yoduza> that video showing: 1. How its working. 2. How build device.
2016-06-10T09:26:25 < jadew> I want to see it measured
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2016-06-10T09:27:42 < jadew> bye ohsix
2016-06-10T09:28:01 < dongs> is he finally leaving the channel?
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2016-06-10T09:31:14 < Yoduza> Kapanadze: energy device price 5-6KW must be $300-400. This price for full edition.
2016-06-10T09:32:52 < dongs> ohh
2016-06-10T09:32:54 < dongs> FULL edition
2016-06-10T09:32:56 < dongs> is there a LITE edition?
2016-06-10T09:32:59 < dongs> that generates les?
2016-06-10T09:33:01 < dongs> for cheaper
2016-06-10T09:33:14 < Yoduza> avoid speculations
2016-06-10T09:33:25 < jadew> as long as it can power itself, I don't think it's a problem
2016-06-10T09:40:58 < Yoduza> LITE edition: http://imgur.com/xDN3aY1
2016-06-10T09:43:16 < dongs> ;lol
2016-06-10T09:43:32 < dongs> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/15/49/63/15496338b0a988008516f3f5115d8d90.jpg > lite edition
2016-06-10T09:43:52 < dongs> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/08/08/7c/08087c13f9aa38326cb25bfafd431399.jpg > full edition
2016-06-10T09:45:14 < Yoduza> old university..
2016-06-10T09:45:27 < Yoduza> 2+2=4..
2016-06-10T09:45:34 < Yoduza> new age is 2+2=5
2016-06-10T09:46:06 < ReadError> Yoduza what happened with all that russia/ukraine stuff
2016-06-10T09:46:23 < Yoduza> they all in new age
2016-06-10T09:46:36 < Yoduza> Turkey also
2016-06-10T09:48:07 < ReadError> seems like you just stopped hearing about it on news
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2016-06-10T09:51:52 < Chris_M|2> Is there a trick to waking up STM32F0 from stop mode using EXTI?  EXTI is triggering while awake, but won't wake up MCU when in stop mode
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2016-06-10T10:10:17 < dongs> Chris_M|2: i thought only some exti lines could be used for wakeup
2016-06-10T10:10:57 < Chris_M|2> yeh thats what I can see, silly thing don't wanna wake up
2016-06-10T10:11:07 < Chris_M|2> maybe its hard faulting
2016-06-10T10:12:54 < Yoduza> how much capacitor on power ?
2016-06-10T10:13:42 < Yoduza> try using 47pF
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2016-06-10T10:21:52 < Yoduza> ReadError, Danish people lost interest to EU
2016-06-10T10:23:12 < Yoduza> :D
2016-06-10T10:23:29 < PeterM> ##stm32 lost interest in yoduza
2016-06-10T10:24:08  * Yoduza dont know anything from PeterM
2016-06-10T10:25:04 < PeterM> thats good.
2016-06-10T10:25:30 < Yoduza> ad9850.. kids..
2016-06-10T10:26:42 < Yoduza> push pool based on ad9850 for leds..
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2016-06-10T10:34:14 < dongs> push pool more like deadpool
2016-06-10T10:35:02 < jadew> that was a shit movie
2016-06-10T10:36:59 < dongs> truth
2016-06-10T10:37:05 < dongs> and his retarded tesla spam is shit too
2016-06-10T10:37:37 < dongs> BREAKING: spacex uses free energy devices to send rocktes into space
2016-06-10T10:37:42 < dongs> amirite y/y/y
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2016-06-10T10:55:31 < Yoduza> spacex uses free energy devices?
2016-06-10T10:55:39 < Yoduza> it is a news ?
2016-06-10T10:55:45 < Yoduza> wake up..
2016-06-10T10:56:45 < Yoduza> damnit university..
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2016-06-10T11:03:24 < Yoduza> 100-200 years before Earth like Venus
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2016-06-10T11:18:35 < Chris_M|2> dongs: turns out you can't re-enable the clocks in the interrupt, got to do it after the sleep instruction
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2016-06-10T11:23:21 < Yoduza> KSC3552 12A 800V 15MHz $2.5
2016-06-10T11:24:30 < dongs> Yoduza: are you a stoner
2016-06-10T11:24:32 < dongs> or a cloner
2016-06-10T11:24:36 < dongs> answer quickly
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2016-06-10T11:24:57 < Yoduza> no
2016-06-10T11:25:04 < Yoduza> I am no a stoner
2016-06-10T11:25:08 < Yoduza> or cloner
2016-06-10T11:26:46 < Yoduza> debugger
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2016-06-10T11:29:40 < Yoduza> holy god 2SA1494-ND 20MHz 200V 17A $7.s
2016-06-10T11:30:15 < Yoduza> each transistor $7.2 :o
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2016-06-10T11:32:26 < Yoduza> heh, $0.76 on ali :D
2016-06-10T11:38:43 < neuro_sys> I missed scrollback, but I think my stm32f4discovery's crystal borked.
2016-06-10T11:39:22 < neuro_sys> This morning when I tried it, it has passed the part it's stuck in the code, right after again it started not working again. Namely system_stm32f4xx.c:397
2016-06-10T11:39:37 < neuro_sys> :<
2016-06-10T11:41:50 < knielsen> neuro_sys: you can try to use the internal HSI instead, and see if it solves the problem or not, to determine whether it is in fact the crystal or something else
2016-06-10T11:42:36 < neuro_sys> knielsen: thanks for the tip
2016-06-10T11:42:58 < knielsen> (just need to be aware that the HSI is 16 MHz, while the crystal might be different (8 MHz?), so need to adjust the PLL parameters)
2016-06-10T11:43:28 < zyp> no
2016-06-10T11:43:56 < zyp> the selectable PLL source is HSI/2 which is also 8 MHz
2016-06-10T11:44:08 < zyp> as far as I can remember, at least :)
2016-06-10T11:45:51 < zyp> hmm, maybe that was only for F1/F3
2016-06-10T11:46:18 < zyp> in that case, M term for the PLL should be set for 16MHz
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2016-06-10T11:48:15 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-06-10T11:48:20 < dongs> vpnman
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2016-06-10T11:50:44 < upgrdman> ya. feels good to have vpn
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2016-06-10T11:59:52 < dongs> ill have some amazing 256kbit SDSL connectivity soon
2016-06-10T12:01:54 < upgrdman> why
2016-06-10T12:02:21 < dongs> cuz thats all they have
2016-06-10T12:02:24 < dongs> and uplink is by satellite
2016-06-10T12:02:27 < dongs> nice lag
2016-06-10T12:02:34 < dongs> well, downlink too
2016-06-10T12:03:04 < mitrax> where is that?
2016-06-10T12:03:10 < upgrdman> you moving to one of those contested jap islands?
2016-06-10T12:03:18 < dongs> yes
2016-06-10T12:04:39 < Sync> pfft
2016-06-10T12:04:56 < Sync> gotta send me them DC loads before that
2016-06-10T12:06:09 < dongs> area tehy still on sale
2016-06-10T12:06:09 < dongs> bbl
2016-06-10T12:06:44 < Sync> yes
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2016-06-10T13:24:21 < ReadError> anyone have a preferred microsd connector?
2016-06-10T13:25:57 < zyp> I heard all the cool guys are just soldering it directly to the board
2016-06-10T13:25:59 < zyp> http://www.dotmana.com/weblog/2015/08/microsd-card-reflow-quick-and-dirty-pcb-with-kicad/
2016-06-10T13:28:42 < ReadError> haha i dont doubt that
2016-06-10T13:28:54 < ReadError> i hate picking connectors
2016-06-10T13:28:58 < ReadError> some suck, some are great
2016-06-10T13:32:19 < zyp> same problem as picking parts in general
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2016-06-10T13:33:02 < ReadError> yea but mechanical things
2016-06-10T13:33:10 < ReadError> like shitty buttons. garbage usb conncetors
2016-06-10T13:33:13 < ReadError> things i dont like
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2016-06-10T14:14:56 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/BfXMr9D.png
2016-06-10T14:15:01 < ReadError> why i hate making footprints
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2016-06-10T14:15:19 < ReadError> english would be nice
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2016-06-10T14:19:38 < zyp> looks like most of it is also in english
2016-06-10T14:19:43 < zyp> so I don't see the problem
2016-06-10T14:21:06 < ReadError> whats the black
2016-06-10T14:21:09 < ReadError> and hatched stuff?
2016-06-10T14:21:30 < ReadError> I dont think this is through hole so blacks not a slot
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2016-06-10T14:22:10 < zyp> some sort of restricted areas
2016-06-10T14:23:52 < Cicero-MF> haha, tell me you at least have one to look at, physically in front of you?
2016-06-10T14:24:13 < ReadError> i dont
2016-06-10T14:24:20 < ReadError> i just decided on this one
2016-06-10T14:24:31 < zyp> ReadError, I think second one says «pattern forbidden area» and third one is «soldering forbidden area»
2016-06-10T14:24:43 < ReadError> mostly im wondering what the black spot is
2016-06-10T14:24:50 < ReadError> the other things google told me 'ban'
2016-06-10T14:25:12 < Cicero-MF> Hah, sounds like my company.  But in all honesty, I'd order one to make sure then finish the footprint if you've got time.
2016-06-10T14:25:21 < zyp> black one says «parts something forbidden area»
2016-06-10T14:25:34 < zyp> probably just «don't place shit too close here»
2016-06-10T14:26:02 < ReadError> 'parts mounted prohibit workers 1/7'
2016-06-10T14:26:24 < ReadError> ohh ya
2016-06-10T14:26:30 < ReadError> it has a little detector switch
2016-06-10T14:26:33 < ReadError> so it must swing out
2016-06-10T14:27:32  * ReadError totally wishes a footprint fiver existed 
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2016-06-10T14:44:56 < ReadError> ahhh just grab from upverter
2016-06-10T14:45:57 < dongs> dumb cloner is dumb
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2016-06-10T14:48:50 < ReadError> too much work
2016-06-10T14:49:12 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/kWNei2T.jpg
2016-06-10T14:49:14 < ReadError> already done, gerber import, label pads, draw shitty schematic symbol
2016-06-10T14:49:32 < dongs> spoken like a true cloner
2016-06-10T14:49:46 < dongs> no pro ever "imports gerber" for a footprint
2016-06-10T14:50:11 < ReadError> shit be like math, answer is the same doesnt matter how you got to it
2016-06-10T14:50:38 < dongs> and why would you need a sdcard footprint?
2016-06-10T14:51:30 < ReadError> few things, making a little stm32 thing for my e-mtb
2016-06-10T14:51:40 < dongs> riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
2016-06-10T14:51:47 < ReadError> would like to be able to log
2016-06-10T14:52:58 < dongs> because a sparkfun hugesd breakout doesnt cut it
2016-06-10T14:53:10 < dongs> and making a PCB with a very specific footprint is totally required
2016-06-10T14:53:12 < dongs> yeah.
2016-06-10T14:53:12 < dongs> k
2016-06-10T15:01:45 < dongs> also hugesd has better sockets
2016-06-10T15:01:58 < dongs> and size wouldnt be a problem on a ebike now would it
2016-06-10T15:07:45 < dongs> Found Yoduza kickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/195295723/magneturbineenter-the-world-of-tomorrow
2016-06-10T15:11:21 < BrainDamage> i legit read it 3 times in a row as "masturbineeter", my  brain reached the point it automatically self censor overunity bullshit
2016-06-10T15:11:39 < dongs> lol
2016-06-10T15:33:26 < ReadError> hmm so do people typically use the connectors switch or rely on CD/DATA3 for card detection?
2016-06-10T15:33:39 < ReadError> guess the switch would be 1 more pin used
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2016-06-10T15:40:38 < jpa-> switch has a few advantages
2016-06-10T15:41:01 < jpa-> like, easier to detect card removal and less chance of bounce upon trying to place the card into socket
2016-06-10T15:41:53 < jpa-> so far all my own devices have only checked for card on boot by trying to mount it :P
2016-06-10T15:42:28 < ReadError> guess it would be easier to detect since you can just hook it to EXTI
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2016-06-10T16:08:32 < dongs> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/evaluation-tools/product-evaluation-tools/mcu-eval-tools/spc5-automotive-mcu-eval-tools/spc57s-discovery.html heh cute
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2016-06-10T16:09:10 < dongs> damn, shitty price for a -discovery
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2016-06-10T16:26:47 < zyp> fuck power
2016-06-10T16:26:55 < zyp> would be more interesting as cortex-r
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2016-06-10T16:29:56 < qyx> uhm, arduino connectors
2016-06-10T16:31:01 < zyp> oh, fuck that too
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2016-06-10T16:42:53 < PeterM> qyx did you find your halfbridghe driver
2016-06-10T16:52:26 < qyx> not yet
2016-06-10T16:58:50 < Cicero-MF> qyx, if you're running at such low currents, what about using a linear reg instead?
2016-06-10T16:59:14 < neuro_sys> my HSE is 8 mhz. I want an interrupt with a frequency of 8khz. Then does this look correct? https://gist.github.com/neuro-sys/54f2ba7faa370907996ba262d10f9fd4
2016-06-10T16:59:58 < qyx> wat, linear reg would not step up my voltage
2016-06-10T17:00:35 < qyx> PeterM: high side will probably need to be isolated anyway (inverse sepic), so a coupleed inductor and totem pole mosfet driver
2016-06-10T17:01:01 < zyp> well, duh, you need a switching reg for that
2016-06-10T17:01:03 < dongs> neuro_sys: you're on 64mhz?
2016-06-10T17:01:19 < qyx> and the low side.. either drive it directly (I found some suitable mosfets with ~6nC) or totem pole
2016-06-10T17:02:03 < qyx> there are fets characterized at 2.5V, but not many suitable drivers for them
2016-06-10T17:02:36 < Cicero-MF> ah, thought you were just stepping it down
2016-06-10T17:02:50 < neuro_sys> dongs: I thought it's on 8 mhz.
2016-06-10T17:03:25 < dongs> neuro_sys: timers are clocked from sysclk / ahb/apb not from HSE
2016-06-10T17:04:03 < dongs> so you look at your sysclk, then you look waht bus the timer is on, that will usually be a /1 or /2 from sysclk, and that might be your timer frequency
2016-06-10T17:05:18 < dongs> https://foldimate.com/ lol
2016-06-10T17:05:58 < neuro_sys> dongs: ah, then SYSCLK is 168mhz for me
2016-06-10T17:06:48 < neuro_sys> now it's at 8khz, thanks
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2016-06-10T17:08:18 < capacitor> sup crt
2016-06-10T17:08:55 < dongs> Hi! it looks like you're pumping. Would you like to [ ] kill yourself [ ] leave the channel [ ] message ohsix
2016-06-10T17:09:14 < capacitor> what's new dong?
2016-06-10T17:09:21 < dongs> notmuch, packing
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2016-06-10T18:03:25 < Laurenceb_> data presentation level: emdrive
2016-06-10T18:03:30 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39772.msg1547355#msg1547355
2016-06-10T18:03:52 < dongs> Form1
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2016-06-10T18:04:38 < dongs> is emdrive thrusting
2016-06-10T18:05:17 < BrainDamage> and not  a single unit was given thatday
2016-06-10T18:06:18 < BrainDamage> is that a 155 pages thread of bullshit?
2016-06-10T18:06:32 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-06-10T18:06:52 < Laurenceb_> 2 years and ~20 people "working" on it, and they have achieved exactly 0 work
2016-06-10T18:07:17 < dongs> sounds like perfect job for Laurenceb_ or ohsix
2016-06-10T18:08:43 < Laurenceb_> yup sounds like typical uni spinout company work
2016-06-10T18:08:58 < Laurenceb_> they could at least have proven that its fake :-/
2016-06-10T18:09:16 < Laurenceb_> someone soldered a 2kW magnetron to 50 ohm coax, lulz ensued
2016-06-10T18:10:23 < Laurenceb_> lol @ results via facebook
2016-06-10T18:10:33 < Laurenceb_> a popular peer reviewed journal
2016-06-10T18:10:43 < dongs> click like to produce thrust
2016-06-10T18:10:47 < dongs> amiriet
2016-06-10T18:11:30 < Laurenceb_> like to prove emdrive works
2016-06-10T18:12:10 < gxti_> 1 like = 1 data point
2016-06-10T18:15:06 < dongs> bed
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2016-06-10T18:19:32 < Laurenceb_> https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9225789&cid=52288155
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2016-06-10T19:18:04 < ReadError> maybe they are just trolling you Laurenceb_
2016-06-10T19:18:09 < ReadError> longtroll
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2016-06-10T20:38:57 < neuro_sys> machinehum: yeah, it works now
2016-06-10T20:39:47 < neuro_sys> machinehum: I don't know what was wrong, but it probably was bad configuration.
2016-06-10T20:40:24 < neuro_sys> I managed to port this atmega88 project onto stm32f4discovery board. http://www.linusakesson.net/hardware/chiptune.php
2016-06-10T20:41:42 < neuro_sys> but I'm struggling with the DAC chip on the board. I can get sound only if my audio interrupt callback is around 16khz, whereas I want to send samples at 8khz.
2016-06-10T20:41:50 < neuro_sys> in which case there is no sound on the speaker whatsoever
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2016-06-10T20:50:53 < machinehum> neuro_sys: That's cool
2016-06-10T20:51:06 < machinehum> That's PCB he made is interesting
2016-06-10T20:51:19 < machinehum> I don't think ive ever seen that before
2016-06-10T20:54:22 < machinehum> You guys use OSH at all?
2016-06-10T20:57:08 < neuro_sys> I just uploaded the code here https://github.com/neuro-sys/hardware-chiptune-project-stm32
2016-06-10T20:57:30 < neuro_sys> something is wrong with the timings for audio DAC's I2S but I have no idea
2016-06-10T21:00:13 < machinehum> Cool thanks for the link
2016-06-10T21:00:21 < machinehum> Do you use make? or and ide
2016-06-10T21:00:54 < machinehum> I guess there's not Makefile, so that kinda answers it. But also no project file?
2016-06-10T21:01:46 < neuro_sys> machinehum: ah I'm using an IDE called embitz.
2016-06-10T21:02:09 < machinehum> neuro_sys: Cool, never heard of it
2016-06-10T21:02:14 < neuro_sys> I could share that as well, but I thought the source files are simple and self-contained (no dependencies other than stm peripheral library)
2016-06-10T21:02:47 < machinehum> Yeah it's really clean and nice, would be simple to plop in a Makefile and just build it
2016-06-10T21:03:41 < neuro_sys> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxIQVP1zErDPSGN3VU8tWEc0UU0/view?usp=sharing
2016-06-10T21:04:34 < machinehum> Wow cool
2016-06-10T21:04:48 < machinehum> Yeah I'm getting into designing synths
2016-06-10T21:05:08 < neuro_sys> so if I set the timer interrupt to 8khz (which is what it must be), I get no sound from it all.
2016-06-10T21:05:22 < machinehum> I'm new to STM32, but it's going to be my platform for 32 bit applications. Seasoned with AVR & Xmega
2016-06-10T21:05:25 < neuro_sys> but then I don't exactly know how stm32 and this on board cirrus logic dac works.
2016-06-10T21:05:46 < machinehum> What the DAC P/N
2016-06-10T21:05:47 < machinehum> ?
2016-06-10T21:05:59 < neuro_sys> I'm new too, like barely no knowledge. I've yet to read the datasheets
2016-06-10T21:06:08 < machinehum> ahh
2016-06-10T21:06:11 < neuro_sys> https://www.cirrus.com/cn/pubs/proDatasheet/CS43L22_F2.pdf
2016-06-10T21:06:15 < neuro_sys> the board has got this on it
2016-06-10T21:06:21 < neuro_sys> stm32f4discovery that is
2016-06-10T21:09:48 < machinehum> What's going on with those analog inputs?
2016-06-10T21:10:22 < machinehum> I guess they can be routed to the output
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2016-06-10T21:13:25 < neuro_sys> which ones exactly?
2016-06-10T21:14:09 < neuro_sys> btw, how can I disable this thing called PLL so that I can run purely on HSE, and SYSCLK equals to that?
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2016-06-10T21:15:19 < machinehum> Did you set up your i2c? Can you write and read back registers?
2016-06-10T21:16:24 < neuro_sys> yes, they are in codec.c
2016-06-10T21:19:24 < machinehum> PLL = phase lock loop
2016-06-10T21:20:23 < machinehum> Download the clock configuration tool
2016-06-10T21:20:26 < machinehum> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/development-tools/software-development-tools/stm32-software-development-tools/stm32-configurators-and-code-generators/stsw-stm32091.html
2016-06-10T21:20:39 < machinehum> It's an excel, enable macros
2016-06-10T21:20:51 < machinehum> I just learnt about it a few days ago
2016-06-10T21:21:22 < neuro_sys> thanks
2016-06-10T21:21:35 < machinehum> It will build your system_stm32f4xx.c for you
2016-06-10T21:21:39 < machinehum> Then study the code
2016-06-10T21:23:13 < neuro_sys> alright, I'll bbl after dinner
2016-06-10T21:35:31 < neuro_sys> as for TIM2, I'm curious why a SYSCLK 168mhz with TIM2 prescaler 167, and period 125 produces not 8khz but 4khz. There must be some SYSCLK/2 somewhere.
2016-06-10T21:37:52 < PaulFertser> neuro_sys: look carefully at the clock distribution diagram in the reference manual, it's all there.
2016-06-10T22:02:57 < neuro_sys> could you point at the page in stm reference manual that is about setting I2S baud rate?
2016-06-10T22:03:04 < neuro_sys> I need to set it to 8khz
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2016-06-10T22:08:25 < neuro_sys> http://www.disca.upv.es/aperles/arm_cortex_m3/curset/STM32F4xx_DSP_StdPeriph_Lib_V1.0.1/html/group___r_c_c___group1.html#ga4c15157382939a693c15620a4867e6ad
2016-06-10T22:08:43 < neuro_sys> I found the relevant function in stdperiph, need to figure tha parameter values
2016-06-10T22:14:48 < Thorn> speaking of the windows telemetry, https://mollyrocket.com/casey/stream_0029.html
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2016-06-10T22:32:08 < Tectu> Thorn, that's an interesting read. thanks for the link!
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2016-06-11T00:08:08 < neuro_sys> I don't know everything seems to be alright, yet it doesn't work :)
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2016-06-11T00:27:20 < neuro_sys> it's high time I got an oscilloscope (or logic analyzer at the least)
2016-06-11T00:27:38 < neuro_sys> I'll order one tomorrow
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2016-06-11T00:29:24 < neuro_sys> rather than the sysclk I need to see what the I2S MCLK frequency
2016-06-11T00:29:41 < neuro_sys> fS = I2SxCLK / [(16*2)*((2*I2SDIV)+ODD)*8)]
2016-06-11T00:30:04 < neuro_sys> I'm not sure what I2S and CLK stands for in this, anyways, I should better rest
2016-06-11T00:30:22 < neuro_sys> oh yes, CLK is SYSCLK
2016-06-11T00:33:07 < neuro_sys> alright, I fired up stm32cubemx now
2016-06-11T00:33:27 < neuro_sys> selected my mcu, and here's a nifty gui
2016-06-11T00:34:08 < neuro_sys> http://i.imgur.com/LyMKNp8.png
2016-06-11T00:34:23 < neuro_sys> hmm, why am I not able to set HSE on this screen (which I'm using)?
2016-06-11T00:36:23 < neuro_sys> ah, great
2016-06-11T00:36:33 < neuro_sys> and now Main PLL Q is grayed out
2016-06-11T00:37:18 < neuro_sys> but it's irrelevant now
2016-06-11T00:40:34 < neuro_sys> and I think one can utilize the code generation
2016-06-11T00:40:55 < neuro_sys> except it generates code for HAL, which I have yet to read about. I'm using std peripheral library at the moment.
2016-06-11T00:41:07 < neuro_sys> but then it should give some idea
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2016-06-11T01:29:22 < Laurenceb_> woo no more Gawker
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2016-06-11T01:34:45 < kakimir> I'm not comming uk at this time Laurenceb_
2016-06-11T01:35:00 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-06-11T01:35:18 < Laurenceb_> not enough money?
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2016-06-11T01:35:26 < kakimir> very much jübbs
2016-06-11T01:35:56 < kakimir> not even time to connect with irc bros like hours
2016-06-11T01:36:07 < Laurenceb_> ah
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2016-06-11T01:39:48 < zyp> shame
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2016-06-11T01:52:59 < Laurenceb_>  :(
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2016-06-11T01:53:25 < Laurenceb_> wtf now you can be knighted for "excellence in heating and plumbing"
2016-06-11T01:53:51 < BrainDamage> why not if it's an excellent job
2016-06-11T01:53:54 < Laurenceb_>  Gary Doyle, who receives a British Empire Medal (BEM) after taking gold at the World Skills event for his "extraordinary plumbing and heating prowess".
2016-06-11T01:54:13 < Laurenceb_> it does seem a bit like school assembly time
2016-06-11T01:54:34 < Laurenceb_> "and now to honour our Vocational qualification students"
2016-06-11T01:54:56 < BrainDamage> don't worry, one day they'll probably introduce honoraries for irc users
2016-06-11T01:55:18 < Laurenceb_> yup it should be soon at this rate
2016-06-11T01:55:36 < Laurenceb_>  "services in aid of trolling and shitposting"
2016-06-11T02:05:35 < Laurenceb_> so its like trolling and shitposting
2016-06-11T02:12:12 < zyp> Laurenceb_ just adds shit, doesn't take it away
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2016-06-11T04:09:59 < jadew> didn't know about that show, looks nice
2016-06-11T04:13:18 < jadew> I'm almost done with the first episode and I'm hooked
2016-06-11T04:13:56 < jadew> R2COM, how did you know I was there?
2016-06-11T04:14:14 < jadew> probably
2016-06-11T04:15:13 < jadew> R2COM, I don't remember, I probably had an issue with something
2016-06-11T04:15:30 < jadew> some simulation, I don't know
2016-06-11T04:16:41 < jadew> I really don't remember tho :)
2016-06-11T04:16:48 < jadew> I use qucs regularly
2016-06-11T04:17:23 < jadew> didn't know it had more than one engine
2016-06-11T04:17:26 < jadew> default I guess?
2016-06-11T04:18:08 < jadew> I usually use it for impedance analysis
2016-06-11T04:18:17 < jadew> yeah, for RF
2016-06-11T04:19:04 < jadew> qucs?
2016-06-11T04:20:07 < jadew> it's very useful but it doesn't compare with the commercial stuff
2016-06-11T04:21:38 < jadew> on the other hand the commercial stuff costs insane amounts of money
2016-06-11T04:21:53 < jadew> R2COM, yeah up to a point
2016-06-11T04:21:58 < jadew> for linear simulation it's ok
2016-06-11T04:22:33 < jadew> but it doesn't do magnetic simulation and in the end, that's what you're really after
2016-06-11T04:23:11 < jadew> the linear simulation is barely putting you in the ballpark
2016-06-11T04:24:13 < jadew> I guess that's not that big of a concern at lower frequencies tho
2016-06-11T04:24:41 < jadew> yeah
2016-06-11T04:25:04 < jadew> it'll probably behave similar to the linear simulation up to a point
2016-06-11T04:31:17 < jadew> ohsix, how exactly did you manage to piss so many people off?
2016-06-11T04:37:23 < jadew> no
2016-06-11T04:38:18 < jadew> looks interesting
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2016-06-11T07:14:40 < jadew> man... that rick and morty show is fantastic
2016-06-11T07:38:08 < jadew> ohsix, episode 8
2016-06-11T07:39:09 < jadew> so far it's great, it's like concentrated family guy
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2016-06-11T08:26:08 < emeb_mac> lotta money in broadcasting / video production back then
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2016-06-11T08:40:05 < emeb_mac> byte. good times
2016-06-11T08:40:19 < emeb_mac> I've probably got like 10yrs worth in boxes out in the garage
2016-06-11T08:43:23 < emeb_mac> oh yeah
2016-06-11T08:43:51 < emeb_mac> I've subscribed to CCI since it started.
2016-06-11T08:44:48  * emeb_mac is old
2016-06-11T08:47:44 < emeb_mac> there's actually a fair amount of stuff in those that's still relevant
2016-06-11T08:47:57 < emeb_mac> interfacing to motors, sensors, etc.
2016-06-11T08:48:43 < emeb_mac> Ciarcia did a cool article on making a stroke vector display
2016-06-11T08:49:04 < emeb_mac> had all the cool calibrated analog stuff in it
2016-06-11T08:49:49 < emeb_mac> I think I remember that
2016-06-11T08:50:28 < emeb_mac> he had one "I've got you in my scanner" where he mounted a solar cigarette lighter on a stepping motor and put a phototransistor at the focus.
2016-06-11T08:50:57 < emeb_mac> doesn't get much more hacky than that.
2016-06-11T08:51:39 < emeb_mac> yeah - and I can't remember things my wife told me yesterday...
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2016-06-11T08:54:20 < OneSploit_> Hi, I am not quite sure who can help me, or how to solve my problem. Following nice book Mastering STM32 and I compiled FreeRTOS version with HAL for STM32F405, blink led example. I tested my setup with simpler non-freertos code and led blinks, so hardware-wise all is fine. However I can't get it to blink in FreeRTOS. I would be grateful if someone could help me out a bit.
2016-06-11T08:54:57 < OneSploit_> I have my source code here https://github.com/mashu/ARMKit2RT/tree/master/ARMKit2RT
2016-06-11T08:55:15 < OneSploit_> Compiles clean, and runs some loop
2016-06-11T08:55:23 < OneSploit_> yes I see in gdb it enters some loop
2016-06-11T08:58:47 < OneSploit_> thanks I will try
2016-06-11T09:01:34 < OneSploit_> other problem I have is that ocd connects randomly like 1/10 times.. and I have no clue why or what I did to get it connecting, so it will take me a few more minutes to figure out...
2016-06-11T09:01:58 < OneSploit_> but that's not related to stm32
2016-06-11T09:02:21 < OneSploit_> will try your suggestions from above, since I had no clue where to start
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2016-06-11T11:31:46 < capacitor> sup crt
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2016-06-11T12:35:17 < upgrdman> what are some good apps for visualizing telemetry data? like to make graphs/histograms/etc from variables that changes over time
2016-06-11T12:35:30 < upgrdman> from live data over uart
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2016-06-11T12:37:32 < ReadError> javascript might work
2016-06-11T12:37:51 < ReadError> http://rotorbench.com/ESC2/
2016-06-11T12:37:59 < ReadError> this one you just pump it data
2016-06-11T12:38:16 < ReadError> nv.d3
2016-06-11T12:38:27 < ReadError> ohsix with live data?
2016-06-11T12:39:13 < neuro_sys> hi
2016-06-11T12:39:13 < ReadError> js is miserable if you dont do it often
2016-06-11T12:39:14 < neuro_sys> I bought a logic analyzer just now
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2016-06-11T12:41:02 < zyp> I've used python with matplotlib for that shit
2016-06-11T12:41:15 < upgrdman> hmm
2016-06-11T12:41:35 < upgrdman> python has been on my todo list for years now. maybe i should dust off an oreilly book
2016-06-11T12:42:11 < zyp> oh, live data
2016-06-11T12:42:23 < upgrdman> ya
2016-06-11T12:42:46 < upgrdman> im actually making a program to do this (again) but wanted to get some inspiration for proper tool
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2016-06-11T12:42:57 < upgrdman> my old telemetry viewer worked but sucks
2016-06-11T12:43:41 < zyp> not sure how well matplotlib will work for that
2016-06-11T12:43:50 < upgrdman> k
2016-06-11T12:44:01 < zyp> I made some opengl shit to make live graphs once
2016-06-11T12:44:40 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/ukH9t.png
2016-06-11T12:45:45 < upgrdman> nice
2016-06-11T12:46:02 < upgrdman> my half-assed attempt a couple years ago was this http://www.farrellf.com/projects/software/2014-05-31_RS232_Telemetry_Viewer/screenshot.png
2016-06-11T12:46:07 < zyp> that's 400Hz shit streamed over usb isochronous
2016-06-11T12:46:28 < upgrdman> tempted to redo it, make it super easy to reconfigure, and add hisograms, 3d renders, etc.
2016-06-11T12:48:00 < neuro_sys> do you know if I can probe SCLK and/or MCLK of I2S of stm32f4vg07 on the discovery board with break out pins?
2016-06-11T12:48:13 < neuro_sys> or when I2S is enabled, breakout GPIO pins are disconnected?
2016-06-11T12:48:32 < zyp> they shouldn't be
2016-06-11T12:49:01 < zyp> there's some solder jumpers on the bottom of the boards to disconnect pins, but I don't think the I2S pins are
2016-06-11T12:49:21 < neuro_sys> oh yes I could read it
2016-06-11T12:49:41 < neuro_sys> I probed on the wrong PIN initially >_>
2016-06-11T12:50:25 < neuro_sys> yay this thing (logic probe) is sexy.
2016-06-11T12:51:17 < neuro_sys> a very cheap one called saleae
2016-06-11T12:51:22 < neuro_sys> it's just that I bought one for the first time
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2016-06-11T12:51:52 < neuro_sys> btw, so it appears that when I change a TIM2 interrupt's frequency, I2S SCLK fq also changes!
2016-06-11T12:51:56 < neuro_sys> I don't think that's expected?
2016-06-11T12:52:18 < neuro_sys> in my TIM2 irq there's something running at a particular fq, while I2S should run at a different speed.
2016-06-11T12:52:38 < zyp> I2S is clocked from a compltely separate PLL
2016-06-11T12:52:50 < zyp> so you must be doing something weird/wrong
2016-06-11T12:52:53 < neuro_sys> this is weird then
2016-06-11T12:52:57 < neuro_sys> my code is here
2016-06-11T12:53:13 < neuro_sys> https://github.com/neuro-sys/hardware-chiptune-project-stm32
2016-06-11T12:53:49 < neuro_sys> https://github.com/neuro-sys/hardware-chiptune-project-stm32/blob/master/src/main.c#L42
2016-06-11T12:53:57 < neuro_sys> here is the TIM2 setup
2016-06-11T12:54:15 < neuro_sys> https://github.com/neuro-sys/hardware-chiptune-project-stm32/blob/master/src/codec.c#L42
2016-06-11T12:54:18 < neuro_sys> and this is I2S setup
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2016-06-11T12:56:22 < zyp> PLLI2S is commented out?
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2016-06-11T13:06:12 < OneSploit_> do you guys think it pays off to buy STLink2 ? I have bus blaster 4...
2016-06-11T13:07:42 < Sync> you get one for free with every discovers/nucleo
2016-06-11T13:08:12 < Fleck> yeah, its like 3$ ;D
2016-06-11T13:10:14 < Fleck> 2.06€ on aliexpress :D
2016-06-11T13:10:52 < ReadError> gdamn sometimes i think its easier to re-route an entire board vs modifying, but spent too much time modifying already
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2016-06-11T13:13:09 < Sync> yeah ripup all is your friend
2016-06-11T13:13:30 < zyp> depends how much you're modifying
2016-06-11T13:14:03 < ReadError> any time you have to move a part in altium its going to be a big PITA
2016-06-11T13:16:18 < zyp> nah
2016-06-11T13:16:37 < zyp> the loop removal thing in altium is nice, makes it easy to redraw stuff
2016-06-11T13:18:31 < ReadError> i mean like, moving a part with a bunch of pins and traces attached
2016-06-11T13:20:11 < zyp> sure
2016-06-11T13:20:41 < zyp> just grab everything that makes sense to move, move it, then reconnect the shit between that block and rest of layout
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2016-06-11T13:26:32 < ReadError> the behavior is pretty shitty though either way
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2016-06-11T13:28:40 < zyp> idk
2016-06-11T13:28:49 < zyp> I redesigned a 8L board at work recently
2016-06-11T13:29:53 < ReadError> ive not tried but it would be nice if the hug/push stuff worked when dragging a part and kept the traces in design rule spec and not short
2016-06-11T13:31:33 < zyp> idk, I imagine they'd be all over the place if you tried that
2016-06-11T13:32:21 < neuro_sys> https://www.cirrus.com/cn/pubs/proDatasheet/CS43L22_F2.pdf and http://i.imgur.com/L9YSsHU.png
2016-06-11T13:32:39 < ReadError> yea you could tweak them in place, but it seems like it should be capable of doing it
2016-06-11T13:32:40 < neuro_sys> In the given audio DAC, I'm trying to understand the purpose of MCLK as opposed to SCLK
2016-06-11T13:34:58 < zyp> mclk is for synchronizing the master and slave, sclk is bit clock
2016-06-11T13:36:42 < neuro_sys> okay
2016-06-11T13:36:51 < neuro_sys> is SCLK here correct given I set it to 8khz with 16-bit samples?
2016-06-11T13:36:52 < neuro_sys> http://i.imgur.com/lXCaYHO.png
2016-06-11T13:37:23 < zyp> probably
2016-06-11T13:37:40 < neuro_sys> the frequency between each rising edge is 255khz, there are 16-bits transferred, 255*16 is 4khz
2016-06-11T13:37:52 < zyp> stereo?
2016-06-11T13:37:59 < neuro_sys> yes, that makes sense
2016-06-11T13:46:50 < Kuroko> guys, in USB CDC, the data you are sending is stored in UserTxBuffer after you call CDC_Transmit until it's sent? The data you receive is stored in UserRxBuffer until you receive it in the callback function?
2016-06-11T13:48:57 < zyp> you're talking about a specific implementation now
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2016-06-11T14:26:58 < capacitor> sup capacitor
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2016-06-11T14:45:58 < ReadError> its minidongs
2016-06-11T14:49:23 < Sync> µdong
2016-06-11T14:51:28 < knielsen> that's not a lot of dong
2016-06-11T14:51:40 < capacitor> pumping
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2016-06-11T16:35:54 < kakimir> is auto-focus camera in terms of phones laser focus?
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2016-06-11T16:38:58 < mitrax> what?
2016-06-11T16:42:43 < mitrax> DSLR cameras use phase-detection autofocus (separate sensors, not the CMOS imaging sensor) , compact and 4/3 usually rely on contrast detection (using the imaging sensor) phone do as well, "laser" AF is just a focusing aid afaik
2016-06-11T16:44:32 < mitrax> by micro 4/3 i mean mirrorless (as opposed to single lens reflex which has a mirror in front of the sensor)
2016-06-11T16:46:06 < mitrax> kakimir: but i'm still not sure what your question was :p
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2016-06-11T17:15:33 < zyp> mitrax, doesn't MILC use phase-detect embedded in the imaging sensor?
2016-06-11T17:16:01 < zyp> newer DSLRs offer that in addition to standalone phase-detect, so they can get decent autofocus in video mode too
2016-06-11T17:17:48 < mitrax> zyp: seems recent MILCs have hybrid systems yeah, i'm not up to date :)
2016-06-11T17:18:46 < mitrax> "recent" *cough*... since 2012 or so :)
2016-06-11T17:19:54 < mitrax> I still use my 13 years old EOS 10D
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2016-06-11T17:28:52 < mitrax> i'm surprised at how good it still is at low ISO (for something that came out 14 years ago)... that said it's only 6.3MP and super noisy above ISO 400... time to upgrade i guess
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2016-06-11T17:32:09 < mitrax> too bad Canon has fallen behind Sony and Nikon... it bothers me to change system, i'd like to keep my lenses
2016-06-11T17:32:27 < mitrax> but erm i'm ohsixing...
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2016-06-11T17:56:22 < PeterM> zyp the PD AF sensors used on MILC still suck compared to those on DSLRs, simply because they're so size restricted
2016-06-11T18:00:20 < englishman> they got a lot better
2016-06-11T18:00:52 < englishman> sony a7r had horrible af and that was like $3k
2016-06-11T18:01:01 < englishman> now a6300 has great af and its <$1k
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2016-06-11T18:28:54 < mitrax> gah, clocking out won't unlock a stuck i2c device on that board
2016-06-11T18:34:58 < mitrax> hm no something is wrong, eh, shouldn't i be able to read the physical state of a gpio pin configured in open drain mode?
2016-06-11T18:39:06 < Laurenceb_> lul i2c
2016-06-11T18:39:09 < Laurenceb_> hatebus
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2016-06-11T18:40:11 < mitrax> when reading i always get 0 no matter the logical or physical state of the pin
2016-06-11T18:40:22 < Laurenceb_> thats not good
2016-06-11T18:40:39 < Laurenceb_> you have correct pin mode?
2016-06-11T18:40:47 < mitrax> open drain mode
2016-06-11T18:44:26 < zyp> did you remember to enable the gpio port in RCC?
2016-06-11T18:44:44 < mitrax> oh fuck, i do but later on in the code, ahahaa
2016-06-11T18:45:00 < zyp> you're welcome
2016-06-11T18:45:04 < mitrax> thanks :)
2016-06-11T18:45:12 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-06-11T18:45:25 < Laurenceb_> freaking queens birthday
2016-06-11T18:45:43 < Laurenceb_> neighbours are having a street party, I just know they are bitching about me
2016-06-11T18:45:56 < Laurenceb_> standing around outside my house with bbq
2016-06-11T18:46:13 < Laurenceb_>  "this is where creepy serial killer pedo guy lives"
2016-06-11T18:46:13 < zyp> sounds fun
2016-06-11T18:46:17 < zyp> haha
2016-06-11T18:46:31 < zyp> grab some meat and go join them?
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2016-06-11T18:48:27 < Laurenceb_> I'm not going to worship the queen
2016-06-11T18:53:25 < aandrew> zyp: s/some/your/
2016-06-11T18:57:01 < neuro_sys> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Z5Ba3m9l8
2016-06-11T18:57:10 < neuro_sys> hah it's working now
2016-06-11T18:57:55 < zyp> nice
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2016-06-11T19:09:35 < Laurenceb_> http://docs.adacore.com/gnat_ugx-docs/html/gnat_ugx/gnat_ugx/arm-elf_topics_and_tutorial.html#tutorial-embedded-arm-ada-project
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2016-06-11T19:18:05 < timemob> lol
2016-06-11T19:18:19 < zyp> lol
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2016-06-11T19:22:22 < Laurenceb_> where is crt, I miss his cuckposting :(
2016-06-11T19:22:40 < mitrax> he was here earlier
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2016-06-11T19:23:58 < timemob> where's ohsix, hopefully dead
2016-06-11T19:24:02 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-06-11T19:24:14 < Laurenceb_> hopefully went to #autismpolitics
2016-06-11T19:25:03 < timemob> what's pumping
2016-06-11T19:27:14 < Laurenceb_> adding external muxes to my aids1298 respin
2016-06-11T19:27:17 < Laurenceb_> cuz aids
2016-06-11T19:27:30 < mitrax> Laurenceb: how's the project going?
2016-06-11T19:27:32 < Laurenceb_> hopefully now it will actually be properly functional
2016-06-11T19:27:45 < Laurenceb_> mitrax: I got moar funding so I'm happy :D
2016-06-11T19:28:18 < Laurenceb_> been working on conductive fabric parts and data analysis in matlab
2016-06-11T19:28:45 < mitrax> Laurenceb: did the ICA algos work to get rid of muscles noise?
2016-06-11T19:28:50 < Laurenceb_> sort of
2016-06-11T19:29:05 < Laurenceb_> I used ICA and adaptive noise cancelling in the end
2016-06-11T19:29:35 < Laurenceb_> so adaptive noise cancelling on each electrode channel using the accelerometer, then all the channels through ICA
2016-06-11T19:29:49 < Laurenceb_> that gives about a 6dB SNR improvement
2016-06-11T19:30:08 < Laurenceb_> which is usually good enough to get the heartrate
2016-06-11T19:30:10 < mitrax> Laurenceb: using the accelerometer?
2016-06-11T19:30:13 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-06-11T19:30:43 < Laurenceb_> there is an accelerometer strapped to the horse
2016-06-11T19:30:49 < mitrax> Laurenceb: you mean that's what drives the noise cancellation level or something?
2016-06-11T19:30:53 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-06-11T19:31:00 < mitrax> ah ok
2016-06-11T19:31:13 < Laurenceb_> this  http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~aarti/pubs/ANC.pdf
2016-06-11T19:32:15 < mitrax> have you tested the wireless transmitters range yet? :p
2016-06-11T19:32:21 < Laurenceb_> the good news is that as the horse runs faster its heart rate increases, and that causes the ecg amplitude to increase, so the SNR problem isnt as bad as I first thought
2016-06-11T19:32:29 < Laurenceb_> no, been busy with other stuff :-/
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2016-06-11T19:32:51 < mitrax> i'm really curious to see how it goes
2016-06-11T19:33:15 < Laurenceb_> I might have some updates in a few weeks, I have funding to the end of the year
2016-06-11T19:34:01 < Laurenceb_> although I'm tempted to quit and work on this http://web4.cs.ucl.ac.uk/research/vis/toast/index.html
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2016-06-11T19:34:33 < Laurenceb_> need to improve my c++ skillz
2016-06-11T19:34:55 < mitrax> ahaha i was gonna say
2016-06-11T19:35:19 < timemob> toast? is that when you're late for class and running with a toast in your mouth
2016-06-11T19:35:25 < zyp> yes
2016-06-11T19:35:36 < Laurenceb_> toast boy
2016-06-11T19:36:58 < mitrax> if i may you might want to test the wireless range early enough... i.e not two weeks before the deadline :p
2016-06-11T19:39:53 < Laurenceb_> heh ok
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2016-06-11T19:52:17 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1465633584053.jpg
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2016-06-11T19:54:12 < mitrax> i don't get it
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2016-06-11T21:13:56 < OneSploit_> What is the advantage of using DMA ?
2016-06-11T21:14:19 < Rob235> transfer data without tying up the cpu
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2016-06-11T22:27:41  * jpa- steals some ice cream from Steffanx' freezer
2016-06-11T22:28:12 < Steffanx> What did i do to you that i deserve this jpa-?
2016-06-11T22:28:23 < jpa-> you had some
2016-06-11T22:28:38 < Steffanx> just one. yes
2016-06-11T22:28:46 < jpa-> oh
2016-06-11T22:28:51 < jpa-> sorry
2016-06-11T22:29:04 < jpa-> maybbe buy more
2016-06-11T22:30:03 < Steffanx> one a finnishlander can be in need of ice creams? Finland = cold
2016-06-11T22:30:21 < jpa-> no, it's pretty warm now
2016-06-11T22:30:29 < jpa-> great time to visit finland
2016-06-11T22:30:38 < BrainDamage> warm means >0°C ?
2016-06-11T22:30:58 < jpa-> sometimes it goes even >20°C
2016-06-11T22:31:15 < jpa-> i only wore one layer of woolly socks today
2016-06-11T22:31:41 < BrainDamage> here's been constantly on 15-25 range and it's been increadibly pleasant, in the past years it went consistently > 30
2016-06-11T22:34:30 < kakimir> fuqing cold
2016-06-11T22:34:37 < kakimir> under 10C now
2016-06-11T22:35:30 < kakimir> worst time of year
2016-06-11T22:35:44 < kakimir> best time for work
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2016-06-11T22:39:23 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76PEQR8LJT0 musics
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2016-06-12T01:23:34 < Ultrasauce> your offense registration request is summarily denied
2016-06-12T01:28:13 < OneSploit_> Do you guys have a good example how to use SPI/DMA to read WHOAMI register of external device?
2016-06-12T01:30:11 < OneSploit_> ohsix, yes, gyro sensor, but I would like to understand how to read registers first
2016-06-12T01:30:48 < jadew> OneSploit_, I'd start with understanding how to send and receive data over SPI
2016-06-12T01:31:13 < OneSploit_> jadew, it's that different than I2C ?
2016-06-12T01:31:34 < jadew> if it's set up to use DMA in the same way, then not that much
2016-06-12T01:31:47 < jadew> but I don't think I used I2C over DMA before
2016-06-12T01:31:54 < OneSploit_> I never used DMA
2016-06-12T01:37:54 < jadew> ok, I was going to tell a story, but I think I should start a blog instead
2016-06-12T01:38:07 < jadew> good story tho
2016-06-12T01:39:05 < emeb_mac> cool story bro?
2016-06-12T01:41:02 < jadew> emeb_mac, not really cool cuz it's about me being a bad parent to begin with, but I think it's at least interesting
2016-06-12T01:42:23 < emeb_mac> children scarred for life?
2016-06-12T01:42:35 < emeb_mac> property damage?
2016-06-12T01:42:44 < emeb_mac> neighbors called CPS?
2016-06-12T01:42:45 < jadew> no, but I was scared for about 2 years
2016-06-12T01:42:55 < jadew> ok, here's what happened
2016-06-12T01:44:10 < jadew> my son received some rocks from some friends (don't even know who gave them to him), he was playing with them all the time, banging them around, trying to chew them, etc (he likes rocks)
2016-06-12T01:44:38 < jadew> anyway, one night I go to his room (he was already asleep for a couple of hours) and I see something terrifying: the rocks are freaking glowing!
2016-06-12T01:44:38 < emeb_mac> you might say he's a "rock fan"
2016-06-12T01:44:55 < emeb_mac> radioactive!
2016-06-12T01:44:59 < jadew> exactly
2016-06-12T01:45:15 < jadew> I figured it can't be phosphorous, because it would have ran out by then
2016-06-12T01:45:22 < jadew> so they have to contain something radioactive
2016-06-12T01:45:39 < emeb_mac> so you immediately take them away from him
2016-06-12T01:45:46 < emeb_mac> and send them to an assayer
2016-06-12T01:45:51 < jadew> I knew ceramics used to contain trace uranium, so I figured maybe they mixed that with phosphourous or something
2016-06-12T01:46:00 < emeb_mac> or buy a geiger counter
2016-06-12T01:46:13 < jadew> in hindsight, I should have done that
2016-06-12T01:46:14 < emeb_mac> or set them on some film and develop it.
2016-06-12T01:46:20 < jadew> but instead I threw them away
2016-06-12T01:46:49 < jadew> it's been about 2 years since that happened and I couldn't get my mind off of it
2016-06-12T01:47:02 < emeb_mac> and then spent the next few years wondering how dangerous they really were
2016-06-12T01:47:08 < jadew> luckly, I found some rocks that look exactly the same and found out what they're made of
2016-06-12T01:47:23 < jadew> which also explains why they were glowing for that long
2016-06-12T01:47:30 < jadew> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strontium_aluminate
2016-06-12T01:47:50 < jadew> the important bit: "It is chemically and biologically inert"
2016-06-12T01:48:07 < emeb_mac> ya
2016-06-12T01:48:15 < jadew> I can't tell you how relieving this is
2016-06-12T01:48:46 < jadew> I feared he might have ingested some radioactive material
2016-06-12T01:48:59 < emeb_mac> so your kid is unlikely to grow a 2nd head due to this
2016-06-12T01:49:08 < jadew> looks like it
2016-06-12T01:49:23 < jadew> man... I've been punishing myself over this for so long
2016-06-12T01:49:40 < emeb_mac> so where'd you see the other rocks?
2016-06-12T01:50:28 < jadew> let me try to find the link, they look exactly the same
2016-06-12T01:50:42 < jadew> then I found another one explaining what's inside and then the wiki link
2016-06-12T01:51:24 < jadew> http://www.thegardeningwebsite.co.uk/core-glow-pebbles-i90141.html
2016-06-12T01:51:32 < jadew> new technology, blah blah
2016-06-12T01:51:35 < jadew> it's that powder
2016-06-12T01:52:05 < jadew> which you can apparently buy from everywhere
2016-06-12T01:55:29 < jadew> bigclive plays with it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9QJH8MD5es
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2016-06-12T04:18:33 < Laurenceb_> frank4
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2016-06-12T04:51:48 < jadew> hey
2016-06-12T04:52:26 < jadew> yeah, they mix them together so the phosphor gets charged from the radioactivity and then glows
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2016-06-12T05:18:39 < R2CUM> sup
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2016-06-12T05:58:08 < upgrdman> whats pumpin
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2016-06-12T08:10:23 < emeb_mac> never used it
2016-06-12T08:10:37 < emeb_mac> know some folks who think it's awesome, but also it's ancient
2016-06-12T08:11:04 < emeb_mac> I've heard it said that C is to Verilog as Ada is to VHDL
2016-06-12T08:11:17 < emeb_mac> if that's true then expect to do a lot of typing on Ada
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2016-06-12T09:52:53 < dongs> lol ada
2016-06-12T09:52:57 < dongs> who asked that shit, ohsix?
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2016-06-12T11:44:56 < ReadError> ohsix did you see that shit about how hannibal buress caused all this cosby shit?
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2016-06-12T11:49:52 < dongs> ReadError: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
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2016-06-12T11:52:35 < ReadError> yea that one line "oh yea well you rape women"
2016-06-12T11:52:45 < ReadError> started the shit storm
2016-06-12T11:59:38 < ReadError> something on the news i saw
2016-06-12T11:59:48 < ReadError> apparently nobody cared before he brought it up again
2016-06-12T12:01:52 < ReadError> besides that sealed court case, was anything else even happening when he mentioned it?
2016-06-12T12:04:36 < ReadError> http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-bill-cosby-timeline-htmlstory.html
2016-06-12T12:04:46 < ReadError> 45 people came forward AFTER he did tho
2016-06-12T12:05:02 < ReadError> within a month
2016-06-12T12:09:31 < dongs> readstoner, which part of "noody except you and ohsix gives a fuck" was unclear to you?
2016-06-12T12:09:36 < dongs> take that shit to privmsg
2016-06-12T12:09:59 < dongs> and you can jerk each other cocks over latest unfunny american tv shit
2016-06-12T12:10:33 < ReadError> SD pullups, what gives
2016-06-12T12:10:40 < ReadError> all these arduino folks dont use them
2016-06-12T12:10:51 < ReadError> but everywhere else is like yea, 47k
2016-06-12T12:11:01 < mitrax> i put them, 47K
2016-06-12T12:11:11 < ReadError> yea i put 47k down
2016-06-12T12:11:26 < ReadError> on everything but clock
2016-06-12T12:22:27 < ReadError> spi
2016-06-12T12:34:27 < ReadError> 2500k and shit will do 32gb
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2016-06-12T13:03:11 < neuro_sys> when I try to power up my stm32f4discovery board from external power supply, the LD1 starts blinking red with roughly 1seconds interval.
2016-06-12T13:03:23 < neuro_sys> its reference manual doesn't say anything about it, any ideas?
2016-06-12T13:03:37 < neuro_sys> here's the reference manual: http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/user_manual/70/fe/4a/3f/e7/e1/4f/7d/DM00039084.pdf/files/DM00039084.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00039084.pdf
2016-06-12T13:03:41 < neuro_sys> nothing says a blinking LD1
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2016-06-12T13:05:57 < neuro_sys> okay let me read about the jumpers
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2016-06-12T13:49:11 < Steffanx> seriously ohsix. learn to context or at least to make more sense -_-
2016-06-12T13:54:36 < Steffanx> oh sorry that was hours ago :P
2016-06-12T13:57:02 < Steffanx> incl cpu and stuff?
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2016-06-12T14:23:12 < Steffanx> qx6850 new? 2007
2016-06-12T14:26:15 < Steffanx> dont forget the most important: skylake
2016-06-12T14:36:41 < Steffanx> Damn, that's cheapish
2016-06-12T14:37:38 < ReadError> but its a deathstar ;(
2016-06-12T14:38:02 < Steffanx> hgst is pro
2016-06-12T14:39:05 < ReadError> https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-stats-q1-2016/
2016-06-12T14:39:09 < ReadError> hm ya not bad
2016-06-12T14:39:19 < ReadError> https://www.backblaze.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/drive-stats-2016-q1-failure-by-mfg.jpg
2016-06-12T14:40:42 < zyp> yeah, I'm probably getting HGST next time
2016-06-12T14:40:59 < zyp> right now I've got those bad seagates
2016-06-12T14:41:06 < zyp> ST3000DM001
2016-06-12T14:41:19 < ReadError> grab a bunch and build out a synology box
2016-06-12T14:41:27 < zyp> meh
2016-06-12T14:41:32 < zyp> I'm running zfs
2016-06-12T14:41:39 < zyp> I got 16 of those seagates
2016-06-12T14:41:44 < ReadError> syno stuff is so slick tho
2016-06-12T14:41:52 < ReadError> and it works
2016-06-12T14:41:59 < Steffanx> 16 -_-
2016-06-12T14:42:03 < zyp> yeah
2016-06-12T14:42:15 < zyp> I've already replaced over half of them
2016-06-12T14:42:20 < Steffanx> was just about to ask that
2016-06-12T14:42:29 < Steffanx> in how many years?
2016-06-12T14:42:47 < zyp> first ones I bought less than three years ago
2016-06-12T14:43:20 < zyp> ohsix, due to failure
2016-06-12T14:44:04 < zyp> I bought the first nine ones at once
2016-06-12T14:44:21 < zyp> of them, one were DoA, and another five have died during use
2016-06-12T14:45:08 < zyp> they're exhibiting a bit various failure modes
2016-06-12T14:45:44 < zyp> the last one that died fails completely to enumerate over sata now, I've had one or two other do that before
2016-06-12T14:46:24 < zyp> the one before that appeared to work fine and had no bad stats in smart diagnostics
2016-06-12T14:46:37 < zyp> but zfs threw it out of the raid group due to access errors
2016-06-12T14:47:25 < zyp> most of the other ones have been reporting high numbers of uncorrectable errors for a few days leading up to the failure
2016-06-12T14:47:48 < zyp> so some are very sudden, some are giving signs that they are about to fail
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2016-06-12T14:50:37 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/Dx1wh
2016-06-12T14:50:45 < zyp> first col is date bought, last col is date failed
2016-06-12T14:55:03 < zyp> nah
2016-06-12T14:55:07 < zyp> oh well
2016-06-12T14:55:37 < zyp> norwegian consumer protection laws entitle me to free replacements for five years :p
2016-06-12T14:56:18 < zyp> and in five years, harddrive tech probably progresses enough that they are soon due for a replacement anyway
2016-06-12T15:10:27 < zyp> dongs, okay, I'll update the pcb shit now
2016-06-12T15:12:41 < Steffanx> two died at the same the same day or did you just decide to replace it zyp?
2016-06-12T15:14:12 < zyp> ah, no
2016-06-12T15:14:35 < zyp> it's not date failed, to be precise
2016-06-12T15:14:42 < zyp> it's date I sent an RMA to the store
2016-06-12T15:14:56 < Steffanx> ah
2016-06-12T15:15:07 < zyp> they failed close enough together that I RMAed both at the same time
2016-06-12T15:15:27 < zyp> because I were lazy about doing something about that first one, if I remember correctly
2016-06-12T15:15:35 < zyp> maybe I were away from home or something
2016-06-12T15:16:03 < zyp> and then the second one failed, and I realized "oh fuck, I better do something about this now"
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2016-06-12T16:50:29 < Laurenceb_> holy shit its the guy from reddit
2016-06-12T16:50:33 < Laurenceb_> http://www.eastasiatribune.com/north-asia/hong-kong-mother-admits-to-affair-pregnancy-with-15-year-old-son/
2016-06-12T16:55:01 < OneSploit_> Laurenceb_, I don't want to know what you were googling for that you found this...
2016-06-12T16:55:42 < Laurenceb_> this legendary thread https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/nmmjr/iama_man_who_had_a_sexual_relationship_with_his/
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2016-06-12T17:27:02 < Laurenceb_> I see Tectu has been busy
2016-06-12T17:27:04 < Laurenceb_> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=241_1465734918
2016-06-12T17:27:49 < Steffanx> yeah tect has been busy lately: http://uk.businessinsider.com/swiss-f-5-fighter-jet-crashes-in-the-netherlands-2016-6
2016-06-12T17:27:52 < Steffanx> *tectu
2016-06-12T17:28:47 < Laurenceb_> lul 2:30
2016-06-12T17:29:03 < Steffanx> You're actually watching that video -_-
2016-06-12T17:29:40 < Tectu> hmm
2016-06-12T17:29:43 < Tectu> that is weird indeed Laurenceb_
2016-06-12T17:29:51 < Tectu> but I guess they are just happy that they finished digging that hole
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2016-06-12T17:31:27 < Tectu> I guess that happens when you have 17 years to come up with an opening ceremony
2016-06-12T17:31:36 < Tectu> I bet the guy responsible got a butt load of money too.
2016-06-12T17:32:09 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Xg7lYuYus
2016-06-12T17:32:14 < Laurenceb_> lul the top comment
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2016-06-12T17:34:38 < Tectu> Laurenceb_, nipple action at 03:20
2016-06-12T17:36:20 < Laurenceb_> i see only male nips
2016-06-12T17:39:11 < Tectu> that's probably because you don't know how women look like.
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2016-06-12T18:01:07 < mitrax> ahahaha
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2016-06-12T18:19:29 < mitrax> does F4 require VDD>3V for flashing double words (8 bytes) or something?
2016-06-12T18:19:55 < ReadError> in one of the files it shows the speed
2016-06-12T18:19:59 < ReadError> based on voltage
2016-06-12T18:20:10 < ReadError> theres like 4 different levels or something
2016-06-12T18:23:08 < mitrax> ReadError yeah but i see nothing regarding double words... range 3 is what i'm using (2.7 to 3.6V), i can flash 4 bytes at onces but 8 bytes triggers a MemManagment error... maybe it's an alignment issue but the target address is 8 bytes aligned as well, no big deal since 4 bytes is fine, just curious as to why it's not working
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2016-06-12T18:49:24 < knielsen> mitrax: hm, I see I'm writing 4 bytes at a time in my code, let me check the docs...
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2016-06-12T18:51:08 < knielsen> mitrax: it does say in the docs that "external V_pp" is required to flash 8 bytes at a time, not sure what that means though
2016-06-12T18:52:36 < knielsen> mitrax: apparently programming 8 bytes at a time requires external 8-9V supply (and is not recommended except for initial factory line programming...)
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2016-06-12T19:00:03 < mitrax> i see
2016-06-12T19:00:20 < mitrax> thanks
2016-06-12T19:04:30 < Tectu> mitrax, why would you want to mess with that anyway if I may ask?
2016-06-12T19:04:43 < mitrax> mess with 8 bytes flashing?
2016-06-12T19:05:14 < mitrax> i don't, 4 is fine, i just tried 8 initially and it failed and i was curious why
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2016-06-12T19:27:15 < Laurenceb_> https://freedomfightertimes.com/end-times/fallen/creatures/switzerland-gates-of-hell-ritual-gotthard-base-tunnel/
2016-06-12T19:27:23 < Laurenceb_> The opening ritual publicly displayed the ulterior motive for the tunnel as a gate to hell.
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2016-06-12T19:36:03 < Tectu> well that explains a lot
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2016-06-12T19:58:30 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-06-12T19:59:10 < dongs> gay street?
2016-06-12T19:59:13 < dongs> yeah welcome to america
2016-06-12T19:59:18 < dongs> ext there will be islam street
2016-06-12T19:59:22 < dongs> next
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2016-06-12T20:01:06 < dongs> good news
2016-06-12T20:01:19 < dongs> why url says 20
2016-06-12T20:01:24 < dongs> <title> is 50
2016-06-12T20:01:49 < dongs> finally someone did it right
2016-06-12T20:01:54 < dongs> all these retarded school shottings
2016-06-12T20:02:03 < dongs> where they barely managed to hurt anyone
2016-06-12T20:02:51 < dongs> The Times spoke with Orlando Police Chief John Mina, who confirmed that there were at least 100 patrons inside the club when the gunman, who was not from the Orlando area, opened fire.
2016-06-12T20:02:56 < dongs> now thats quality
2016-06-12T20:02:58 < dongs> there was 100 people in it
2016-06-12T20:03:02 < dongs> and he killed 50  and injured 53
2016-06-12T20:03:31 < Rob235> ...
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2016-06-12T20:06:10 < dongs> Rob235: youre not againstshooting gays right
2016-06-12T20:08:39 < Rob235> I know you are joking but I don't enjoy when people say that kinda shit. I'm backing out of the convo...
2016-06-12T20:08:45 < dongs> k
2016-06-12T20:09:12 < Thorn> the efficiency is suspicious. I think the SWAT helped
2016-06-12T20:11:08 < Thorn> they may need to cover up their cops' performance
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2016-06-12T20:17:24 < englishman> damn and here I thought murder was illegal, this guy goes and commits a bunch if murder
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2016-06-12T20:27:10 < knielsen> Hm, ifølge figuren i http://funnel.sfsu.edu/courses/metr104/summaries/AbsorptionSpectra_Atmosphere.pdf , så er absorbtionen i atmosfæren af synligt lys ca. 0% - er det ikke synligt lys, en solcelle kan lave til strøm?
2016-06-12T20:27:53 < dongs> let's try that in english
2016-06-12T20:27:56 < Steffanx> zyp: can you translate?
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2016-06-12T20:28:13 < knielsen> sorry, wrong channel, I can translate if anyone is interested :)
2016-06-12T20:29:54 < Thorn> from another channel http://hastebin.com/ayajifupiz - looks like ld tries to load .init even though it's not in the script. is there a list of sections that it will load on its own?
2016-06-12T20:35:25 < dongs> R2COM: not much, just bloggin around
2016-06-12T20:35:30 < dongs> fly is flycanuck posting ancient links
2016-06-12T20:35:43 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/threed-modelling/Design-cranial-electrotherapy/ attn Laurenceb
2016-06-12T20:35:52 < dongs> "lets pay a paki $300 to make a device that sticks in your head"
2016-06-12T20:38:03 < knielsen> Thorn: I think ld will by default include any section, unless it is listed in a /DISCARD/ entry
2016-06-12T20:40:16 < Thorn> I don't think it loaded any .debug* for example and there is no DISCARD in the script
2016-06-12T20:43:52 < knielsen> Thorn: well, my .ld linker script also has no DISCARD or .debug sections, but it does load .debug sections into the .elf. (But not into the .bin, as there is no allocated data)
2016-06-12T20:44:02 < knielsen> Thorn: but I could be wrong, I'm not an ld expert...
2016-06-12T20:45:57 < knielsen> Thorn: I'm using arm-none-eabi-objdump --all-headers to see what sections go where - and for example, only sections marked with LOAD seem to eventually go to the flash
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2016-06-12T21:01:01 < zyp> Steffanx, «according to the figure in …, the absorption of visible light in the atmosphere is about 0%, isn't it visible light that a solar cell uses to make electricity»
2016-06-12T21:01:04 < zyp> or something like that
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2016-06-12T21:10:36 < dongs> dongssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
2016-06-12T21:11:52 < zyp> sup?
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2016-06-12T21:23:43 < Shavik> Whatd does HCD stand for in the context of the HAL?
2016-06-12T21:24:00 < Shavik> I'm guessing USB but I can't find what it actually stands for
2016-06-12T21:25:49 < PaulFertser> host controller device
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2016-06-12T21:26:57 < Shavik> Thanks
2016-06-12T21:27:59 < Thorn> >Many of the
2016-06-12T21:27:59 < Thorn>  section names are meaningful to the linker, which looks for the section
2016-06-12T21:27:59 < Thorn> types it knows about for specific processing, while either discarding or
2016-06-12T21:27:59 < Thorn>  passing through unmodified sections (depending on flag bits) that it
2016-06-12T21:27:59 < Thorn>  doesn’t know about.
2016-06-12T21:28:19 < Thorn> so it does depend on section flags
2016-06-12T21:41:46 < Thorn> and on memory region flags defined in the MEMORY command
2016-06-12T21:42:31 < Thorn> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/4/html/Using_ld_the_GNU_Linker/memory.html end of the page
2016-06-12T21:46:52 < zyp> law
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2016-06-12T22:00:52 < Steffanx> even when it's  wear and stuff zyp? That's madness.
2016-06-12T22:01:47 < zyp> it's two years for shit that's not supposed to last for five
2016-06-12T22:02:05 < zyp> but computer parts are obviously meant to last for more than two years, and then it's five
2016-06-12T22:28:44 < englishman> is dongs in freedomland yet
2016-06-12T22:32:45 < Steffanx> you mean highland?
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2016-06-12T23:20:29 < Guest95393> Hi guyes
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2016-06-13T00:11:34 < kakimir> hello sexuals
2016-06-13T00:12:55 < Rob235> hello
2016-06-13T00:13:14 < kakimir> I need this gauge thing
2016-06-13T00:13:23 < Rob235> ?
2016-06-13T00:14:04 < kakimir> where I can butt a little axle and then rotate it and it has overhang micrometer that shows if all is fine
2016-06-13T00:16:06 < kakimir> that shaft rests on small bearing wheels
2016-06-13T00:16:09 < kakimir> or something
2016-06-13T00:17:40 < PaulFertser> kakimir is serious about DIY car repairs!
2016-06-13T00:17:49 -!- danielinux is now known as dan
2016-06-13T00:18:27 < PaulFertser> kakimir why do not you delegate the repair work to professionals?
2016-06-13T00:18:28 < kakimir> my car is by the way back on it's wheels
2016-06-13T00:18:37 < kakimir> no problems
2016-06-13T00:18:47 < kakimir> I didn't know good one
2016-06-13T00:19:30 < kakimir> now as my friend saw my car without it's fiend he told me about dude that does repairwork in freetime
2016-06-13T00:19:30 < PaulFertser> kakimir: what country are you in? Here in russia they mostly break cars instead of repairing too, can't trust anybody.
2016-06-13T00:19:40 < kakimir> *friend
2016-06-13T00:21:00 < kakimir> here they fix with expensive parts and bill you even things they did not perform
2016-06-13T00:21:23 < PaulFertser> Oh yeah, that too, especially the official dealers.
2016-06-13T00:21:25 < kakimir> and some repair works is just done by changing parts until it functions without looking into it
2016-06-13T00:21:37 < kakimir> *works like it should
2016-06-13T00:22:21 < kakimir> but this dude changes belts for 150 for job
2016-06-13T00:22:27 < kakimir> eur
2016-06-13T00:22:55 < kakimir> you can come back 2-3hour later to pick up your car
2016-06-13T00:23:24 < kakimir> he is professional mechanic as dayjob
2016-06-13T00:24:04 < kakimir> that's pretty nice
2016-06-13T00:24:09 < kakimir> 5years
2016-06-13T00:24:10 < kakimir> `?
2016-06-13T00:24:18 < kakimir> jap?
2016-06-13T00:25:08 < Sync> that is pretty neat
2016-06-13T00:25:38 < kakimir> murican car is back to elements in that mile reading
2016-06-13T00:26:17 < kakimir> even germans are now doing 200kkm thing
2016-06-13T00:26:35 < Sync> > 3k oilchange
2016-06-13T00:26:36 < Sync> pls.
2016-06-13T00:26:48 < Sync> just no
2016-06-13T00:27:02 < kakimir> I change every 10K miles and it's diesel
2016-06-13T00:27:13 < kakimir> and it's winterland
2016-06-13T00:27:40 < kakimir> it's the reading in service book
2016-06-13T00:27:54 < kakimir> 10K miles interval
2016-06-13T00:28:09 < kakimir> hmm
2016-06-13T00:28:12 < kakimir> you may have point
2016-06-13T00:28:38 < kakimir> last 2thousand miles or so it starts to consume fuel
2016-06-13T00:29:09 < kakimir> and becomes gradually louder
2016-06-13T00:29:48 < kakimir> you don't even have diesel car
2016-06-13T00:30:23 < kakimir> less pressure
2016-06-13T00:30:26 < Sync> it does, but not that quickly
2016-06-13T00:30:43 < Sync> lubricity at 10k is still adequate
2016-06-13T00:30:51 < Sync> naw
2016-06-13T00:31:04 < Sync> no, do a 3 ball test and be amazed
2016-06-13T00:31:12 < kakimir> you mean before 3k lubricatin is way too good
2016-06-13T00:31:18 < kakimir> and after 3k it's like okay
2016-06-13T00:31:45 < kakimir> and after 6k it's like meh
2016-06-13T00:32:05 < kakimir> I just changed air filter first time myself
2016-06-13T00:32:34 < kakimir> you even have engine heater in muricas?
2016-06-13T00:32:39 < kakimir> electric
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2016-06-13T00:33:36 < kakimir> here about 99% of cars have electic heate
2016-06-13T00:34:21 < kakimir> and nowdays fuel heater as extra
2016-06-13T00:34:34 < kakimir> *fuel operated
2016-06-13T00:34:58 < kakimir> when winter is real both are used in same time
2016-06-13T00:35:03 < kakimir> *at
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2016-06-13T00:36:36 < kakimir> my car has btw. 250k miles on it
2016-06-13T00:39:31 < kakimir> original everything
2016-06-13T00:39:56 < kakimir> but struts and some hoses and stuff you change anyway
2016-06-13T00:44:47 < kakimir> joints and stuff
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2016-06-13T01:14:04 < kakimir> audi a4
2016-06-13T01:15:19 < kakimir> it's miles for your muricans convenience because you need to look up from google conversion factors anyways
2016-06-13T01:17:47 < kakimir> it has it's first rust now
2016-06-13T01:17:58 < Rob235> what year
2016-06-13T01:18:02 < kakimir> 2001
2016-06-13T01:18:22 < Rob235> love a4's but decided to go with a 2006 TL
2016-06-13T01:18:44 < Rob235> I wanted the newer style and 2006 was about all I could afford at the time
2016-06-13T01:19:08 < kakimir> gravel sanded off paint and sinc from wheel arc and rust is ready
2016-06-13T01:19:12 < Rob235> and I figured it would be more expensive to get an audi repaired
2016-06-13T01:20:53 < Rob235> of course I had to have the transmission rebuilt 6 months after getting the car and had to replace the starter
2016-06-13T01:21:27 < kakimir> sinc frame is real blessing
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2016-06-13T01:23:58 < kakimir> 15year old car having first rust now because of gravel
2016-06-13T01:25:46 < kakimir> our jap +5years old is rottening all over
2016-06-13T01:26:35 < kakimir> not just under and front
2016-06-13T01:27:24 < kakimir> also sides and it's like what the hell they have to fukken up the paint process somehow
2016-06-13T01:30:33 < kakimir> I try to change before 10K
2016-06-13T01:30:47 < kakimir> usually I change it whenever after 10K
2016-06-13T01:31:48 < kakimir> thing I asked earlier is called machinist dial
2016-06-13T01:31:57 < kakimir> that gauge part of it
2016-06-13T01:33:26 < kakimir> like you would use it in lathe overhang it above workpiece and see offset
2016-06-13T01:33:42 < jadew> speaking of heating and american cars
2016-06-13T01:34:10 < kakimir> but for small acxles
2016-06-13T01:34:14 < jadew> we have a ford and this or the past winter I went on long drive, without properly cleaning the snow on the engine door
2016-06-13T01:34:24 < jadew> 500 km later, the snow was still there
2016-06-13T01:35:14 < jadew> my old BMW was designed to heat that so during the winter it would melt everything around there and be stay dry
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2016-06-13T01:35:52 < jadew> there's also this thing where the driver's door has an electric window
2016-06-13T01:35:58 < jadew> but it's automatic only in the down direction
2016-06-13T01:36:09 < jadew> if you want to close it back up, you have to keep your finger on the knob
2016-06-13T01:36:36 < jadew> the passenger's door doesn't even do auto-down
2016-06-13T01:36:38 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lathe-Spindle-Runout-Dial-Indicator-Gauge-Kit-wood-pen-turning-woodturning-tool-/191773423432 like in this photo but without the lathe
2016-06-13T01:37:06 < jadew> kakimir, what does it do?
2016-06-13T01:37:40 < ReadError> measures small off-axis movements
2016-06-13T01:37:50 < ReadError> tells if something is true
2016-06-13T01:37:50 < jadew> neat
2016-06-13T01:38:03 < kakimir> the acxle is pressed between the bearings and overhang dial
2016-06-13T01:38:47 < kakimir> by moving the bearings and the dial there can be measured different areas of axle
2016-06-13T01:39:28 < kakimir> I don't know if the thing even exists
2016-06-13T01:39:46 < ReadError> uh
2016-06-13T01:41:04 < jadew> ohsix, the hood
2016-06-13T01:41:23 < kakimir> runout
2016-06-13T01:43:44 < kakimir> I have one axle needing to be absolutelly straight
2016-06-13T01:44:25 < kakimir> and it's sligthly bend so I need to measure it to bend it back!
2016-06-13T01:45:22 < kakimir> secret axle
2016-06-13T01:46:13 < kakimir> machinery yes the axle causes vibrations
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2016-06-13T01:51:52 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39772.msg1548308#msg1548308
2016-06-13T01:51:55 < Laurenceb_> aliens
2016-06-13T01:52:54 < Laurenceb_> emdrive https://cuteoverload.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/004.jpg
2016-06-13T01:53:31 < jadew> is that emdrive still going on?
2016-06-13T01:53:47 < kakimir> Laurenceb pumps it
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2016-06-13T01:54:24 < jadew> didn't you hear they already figured out how to send probes to proxima centauri and get data back in 50 years (minimum)
2016-06-13T01:54:41 < jadew> they don't need emdrive
2016-06-13T01:55:23 < Laurenceb_> yeah I bump the thread occasionally for lulz
2016-06-13T01:55:42 < kakimir> my russian friend keeps telling stories of old times when soviets tried to make some microwave based ufo type of craft
2016-06-13T01:56:24 < jadew> I take it it didn't work?
2016-06-13T01:56:57 < kakimir> and it had some liquid metals involved and stuff
2016-06-13T01:57:24 < kakimir> he says it melted the crew into wax
2016-06-13T01:57:46 < kakimir> and they closed the project
2016-06-13T01:58:48 < Laurenceb_> thing is its staring everyone in the face how emdrive was faked
2016-06-13T01:58:53 < jadew> ohsix, from now on, when I buy something new I'll go to the dumpster, plant it there and film it
2016-06-13T01:59:05 < Laurenceb_> there is the huge ceiling fan in the bbc video
2016-06-13T01:59:22 < BrainDamage> P/c gives you the force excerted by radiation pressure, to lift 1kg you need only 3GW
2016-06-13T01:59:52 < jadew> ohsix, yeah
2016-06-13T01:59:56 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: the answer to spacelaunch is obvious
2016-06-13T02:00:15 < Laurenceb_> spacex falcon 9 first stage -> MEXER tether
2016-06-13T02:00:28 < Laurenceb_> 125T to escape velocity and fully reusable
2016-06-13T02:00:41 < BrainDamage> it was a reply re the probability of the "russian ufo" being a thing
2016-06-13T02:02:19 < BrainDamage> i'm not informed enough about current payload transport systems to say what's viable or not for long term missions
2016-06-13T02:08:32 < kakimir>     nite
2016-06-13T02:10:24 < jadew> night
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2016-06-13T02:52:25 < AR-15> pop pop pop, watchin' niggers drop
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2016-06-13T03:04:34 < aandrew> dongs: do you pay for any of the freelancer shit
2016-06-13T03:05:00 < jadew> aandrew, you mean if he gets paid maybe?
2016-06-13T03:05:27 < jadew> he said he does
2016-06-13T03:05:58 < aandrew> no, I mean freelanecer wants you to pay $104/y for preferred status, $5/test for "certifications" etc
2016-06-13T03:06:22 < jadew> ah, hehe
2016-06-13T03:06:52 < jadew> they're a monster company
2016-06-13T03:06:58 < jadew> bought all the small fish
2016-06-13T03:08:11 < jadew> I used to be a user on scriptlance ~10+ years ago, then I found myself a user on freelancer
2016-06-13T03:08:32 < jadew> which was good, because I had $30 stuck on scriptlance that I couldn't get out without sending all sorts of personal info
2016-06-13T03:09:31 < jadew> too bad tho, I had a portofolio there
2016-06-13T03:09:34 < jadew> 2 projects
2016-06-13T03:39:55 < aandrew> heh
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2016-06-13T05:45:03 < englishman> why doesn't r2commie buy lada
2016-06-13T05:45:20 < englishman> drive 500,000km, only have to refill paraffin twice
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2016-06-13T07:22:12 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-06-13T07:22:33 < dongs> aandrew: lol no, i didnt pay for a faggot membership. which is why i cant bid on some stuff
2016-06-13T07:22:52 < dongs> aandrew: i did take a couple of the lol tests because paypal
2016-06-13T07:22:57 < dongs> but they were awful
2016-06-13T07:23:02 < dongs> english test was written by fucking indians
2016-06-13T07:23:57 < dongs> lol
2016-06-13T07:24:36 < dongs> i like "freecancer" name for it
2016-06-13T07:24:38 < dongs> i think (c) crt
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2016-06-13T07:43:33 < aandrew> and yes, I just took the embedded test and failed it, that was a joke
2016-06-13T07:43:47 < aandrew> yes, freecancer is really good
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2016-06-13T08:09:40 < dongs> sync, i'm buying one of those loads
2016-06-13T08:09:44 < dongs> sorry 4 u
2016-06-13T08:09:47 < dongs> need 4 work
2016-06-13T08:09:59 < jadew> what loads?
2016-06-13T08:10:08 < dongs> workpal messaged me with some aliexpress link
2016-06-13T08:10:11 < dongs> for 400 bux
2016-06-13T08:10:13 < dongs> for like 150W
2016-06-13T08:10:16 < jadew> show me
2016-06-13T08:10:19 < dongs> i was like dude dont you know theres aa PRO THING in jp
2016-06-13T08:10:22 < dongs> and linked him that
2016-06-13T08:10:30 < jadew> links please
2016-06-13T08:10:38 < dongs> jadew: PLZ1003WH
2016-06-13T08:11:03 < jadew> looks nice
2016-06-13T08:11:06 < jadew> and the chinese one?
2016-06-13T08:12:20 < jadew> I have this one: http://www.maynuo.com/english/xpro.asp?pid=52
2016-06-13T08:13:09 < dongs> chiense is..
2016-06-13T08:13:09 < dongs> sec
2016-06-13T08:13:24 < dongs> http://s.aliexpress.com/RV32UjeM
2016-06-13T08:14:52 < dongs> jadew: haha, it looks like a rebrand/clone of my link
2016-06-13T08:14:56 < jadew> looks a lot like mine, but slightly different
2016-06-13T08:15:00 < dongs> ya
2016-06-13T08:15:05 < dongs> even similar naming
2016-06-13T08:15:19 < jadew> yeah, I think they're all cloning the B&K precision or the itech
2016-06-13T08:15:45 < jadew> it's possible they even use the same circuitry
2016-06-13T08:16:13 < jadew> the one I have is very well behaved
2016-06-13T08:16:32 < jadew> very fast too
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2016-06-13T08:17:25 < jadew> for example if you turn it on, while connected to a supply, intending to put the supply in CC mode, it won't ring or any silly things like that
2016-06-13T08:17:52 < jadew> it's so much faster than most supplies that it will look like connecting a resistor
2016-06-13T08:18:40 < jadew> I think the one you linked has a bigger display
2016-06-13T08:19:57 < jadew> it's pretty much spot on both in voltage and current, readback/set current
2016-06-13T08:20:02 < jadew> how much is the japanese one?
2016-06-13T08:21:01 < dongs> around 600bux
2016-06-13T08:21:02 < dongs> for 1kW
2016-06-13T08:21:12 < jadew> oh, not bad
2016-06-13T08:21:21 < dongs> and
2016-06-13T08:21:22 < jadew> and it looks more professional
2016-06-13T08:21:24 < dongs> its 5V-500V
2016-06-13T08:21:39 < jadew> only down to 5V?
2016-06-13T08:21:43 < dongs> yea
2016-06-13T08:21:53 < jadew> that could be an inconvenience
2016-06-13T08:22:03 < dongs> not for teh stuff we need it for
2016-06-13T08:22:11 < capacitor> clones
2016-06-13T08:22:15 < capacitor> clones, everywhere
2016-06-13T08:22:32 < dongs> clones of crts
2016-06-13T08:22:37 < dongs> flat trinitron
2016-06-13T08:22:39 < capacitor> ;)
2016-06-13T08:23:02 < jadew> afk
2016-06-13T08:30:14 < capacitor> i wanna build the active loadings
2016-06-13T08:40:28 < jadew> back
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2016-06-13T08:48:00 < dongs> motherfucker
2016-06-13T08:48:10 < dongs> some shit head from kazakstan ordered $80 of shit with airmail a month ago
2016-06-13T08:48:30 < dongs> warned him when updating order to shipping that by not buying tracking, it was not my fault if shit doesnt arrive
2016-06-13T08:48:33 < dongs> today asshole opens dispute
2016-06-13T08:49:06 < dongs> gonna sit this one through, plenty of info on my site about shit countries and airmail
2016-06-13T08:49:25 < dongs> looks like i sent shit to simliar place in march, arrived in less than 2 weeks (with tracking)
2016-06-13T08:49:39 < jadew> maybe it's just a delay
2016-06-13T08:49:45 < jadew> it happens
2016-06-13T08:49:52 < dongs> not my problem, anyone who opens a dispute is immediately an asshole
2016-06-13T08:50:08 < dongs> especially after being warned about it at checkout
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2016-06-13T08:53:31 < Sync> dongs: buy 3
2016-06-13T08:53:53 < Sync> tell me how much shipping is and I'll paypal it
2016-06-13T08:54:08 < Sync> they are also cheeper
2016-06-13T08:54:09 < Sync> now
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2016-06-13T09:52:43 < dongs> https://www.gofundme.com/PulseVictimsFund
2016-06-13T09:52:44 < dongs> wtf
2016-06-13T09:54:28 < dongs> Gay clubs hold a significant place in LGBTQ history. They were often the only safe gathering place and this horrific act strikes directly at our sense of safety.
2016-06-13T09:54:32 < dongs> no more gay safe spaces
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2016-06-13T10:41:24 < upgrdman> 3:41p
2016-06-13T10:41:30 < upgrdman> y
2016-06-13T10:42:24 < dongs> hello autistic fucks (i mean ohsix)
2016-06-13T10:45:01 < dongs> http://globe.chromeexperiments.com/search lol north korea has no google search traffic
2016-06-13T10:48:32 < upgrdman> no
2016-06-13T10:48:34 < upgrdman> shanghai
2016-06-13T10:49:06 < dongs> time in usa: midnight. ohsix is awake, stoning away
2016-06-13T10:49:12 < PaulFertser> ohsix: (russian rocket engine on a us mission) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RD-180
2016-06-13T10:50:05 < dongs> PaulFertser: was that the same one that USA couldnt get new anymore and used ones were too unreliable?
2016-06-13T10:50:29 < PaulFertser> dongs: well, yes, but they're still getting enough nevertheless.
2016-06-13T10:50:55 < dongs> no im not sure if its eaxctly that one
2016-06-13T10:51:14 < dongs> i read something that "new" wasnt available anymore for some rocket engine and only used/long stored shit was available and it was dodgy
2016-06-13T10:52:01 < dongs> anyway im just stoning, doesnt matter of course
2016-06-13T10:53:13 < PaulFertser> dongs: not sure, but there were some issues with fuel for portable atomic generators used in NASA missions, probably you're thinking about that story?
2016-06-13T10:53:29 < dongs> naw. was definitely a rocket engine.
2016-06-13T10:54:09 < PaulFertser> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-nasa-rocket-failures-20150104-story.html
2016-06-13T10:54:46 < dongs> ya thats it
2016-06-13T10:55:45 < dongs> not rd180 then.
2016-06-13T10:56:27 < PaulFertser> So it was this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NK-33
2016-06-13T11:01:39 < dongs> nice
2016-06-13T11:01:47 < dongs> yeah, i remember this, i think i evenwatched it live
2016-06-13T11:01:53 < dongs> and it trashed that virginia launch facility
2016-06-13T11:03:53 < dongs> wikipedo has a nice video
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2016-06-13T11:06:58 < zyp> *yawn*
2016-06-13T11:11:40 < zyp> dongs, did you see the shit I mailed you yesterday?
2016-06-13T11:11:45 < dongs> yes
2016-06-13T11:11:55 < dongs> its getting quoted as you said.
2016-06-13T11:12:01 < zyp> ah, cool
2016-06-13T11:12:14 < dongs> im still waiting for the cheapfucks L052s to ship
2016-06-13T11:12:21 < dongs> need to dong them tomrorowr to see why its not happening
2016-06-13T11:12:33 < zyp> oh, right, you ordered them already
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2016-06-13T11:18:08 < dongs> also you should probly look through your shit and see what I didnt bill you for yet
2016-06-13T11:18:34 < zyp> ah, yeah
2016-06-13T11:20:22 < zyp> looks like I didn't pay anything for the last protos except the parts I got from mouser
2016-06-13T11:20:57 < zyp> looks like I paid for all the parts for the protos before those
2016-06-13T11:21:29 < zyp> and it looks like I only paid for parts for the last arcin batch, not PCB/PCBA
2016-06-13T11:21:38 < dongs> yeah that sounds about right
2016-06-13T11:21:46 < dongs> ill dig through my sutff and see what to billfor that
2016-06-13T11:21:48 < dongs> thanks
2016-06-13T11:22:36 < zyp> yeah, that should be all, haven't done any other stuff this year
2016-06-13T11:22:36 < dongs> btw mi4c has a 9v/12v quckcharge charger thingy and it works wiht samsung phone
2016-06-13T11:22:58 < dongs> except mi4c has a 12v mode, samsung only up to 9v
2016-06-13T11:23:00 < zyp> and I remember pestering you in december to pay everything I owed you then to get it into my accounting for last year
2016-06-13T11:23:08 < dongs> ops. sorry.
2016-06-13T11:23:29 < zyp> so everything for last year should be fine
2016-06-13T11:24:44 < dongs> okcool
2016-06-13T11:25:49 < zyp> if you happen to go to tokyo some time the next three weeks, I can hand you it in cash again :p
2016-06-13T11:26:11 < dongs> huh lemme see what my flight is
2016-06-13T11:26:27 < dongs> shit no
2016-06-13T11:26:35 < dongs> my return stuff is canuckistan->seoul
2016-06-13T11:26:39 < dongs> bypassing tokyo
2016-06-13T11:28:16 < dongs> i'll figure out the billstuff later.
2016-06-13T11:30:16 < zyp> ohsix, right now? nothing
2016-06-13T11:32:04 < zyp> just got laid off, job I started half a year ago found out they were struggling financially and couldn't afford to keep me :p
2016-06-13T11:32:41 < dongs> time to hit freecancer
2016-06-13T11:33:32 < zyp> haha
2016-06-13T11:33:50 < zyp> either way, I'm going to start by enjoying my vacation :p
2016-06-13T11:33:57 < zyp> and then I'll sort out what to do when I get back
2016-06-13T11:34:06 < mitrax> where do you go?
2016-06-13T11:34:23 < zyp> plane leaves in three hours
2016-06-13T11:34:36 < zyp> oh, I read «when»
2016-06-13T11:34:56 < mitrax> japan again?
2016-06-13T11:35:03 < zyp> ohsix, like $6-700
2016-06-13T11:35:10 < zyp> round trip
2016-06-13T11:36:53 < zyp> well, yeah, flying west to go to jp would be pretty dumb for me :p
2016-06-13T11:42:52 < mitrax> hrm ST's usb mass storage lib doesn't detect that old ipod shuffle... weird, it worked the first time but not anymore
2016-06-13T11:43:49 < mitrax> works on my computer though
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2016-06-13T12:52:43 < capacitor> EQUATION
2016-06-13T13:12:14 < c10ud^> http://www.piedpiper.com/app/themes/pied-piper/dist/images/interface_large.jpg
2016-06-13T13:12:19 < c10ud^> look filename
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2016-06-13T13:15:49 < capacitor> why loldongs
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2016-06-13T14:21:11 < capacitor> Gawker Media is an American blog network founded by Nick Denton?, a cockmongling, turd-burgling Jew from hell.
2016-06-13T14:22:28 < Tectu> please watch your language.
2016-06-13T14:24:38 < PeterM> interesting description
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2016-06-13T14:27:15 < capacitor> lol
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2016-06-13T14:38:32 < ReadError> ohsix what ep
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2016-06-13T16:12:22 < ReadError> anyone used a windows app for BLE serial ?
2016-06-13T16:12:40 < ReadError> apparently they made it a PITD
2016-06-13T16:21:47 < neuro_sys> damn they have banned paypal in my country
2016-06-13T16:22:14 < neuro_sys> I wonder if I should send money to some random guy on IRC to buy me this on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/TEXAS-INSTRUMENTS-TI-GRAPH-LINK-USB-CABLE-TI-83-84-85-86-89-92-VOYAGE-200-/351556121354?hash=item51da60b30a:g:hG8AAOxyVLNS-2r8
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2016-06-13T16:51:07 < ReadError> banned...paypal?
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2016-06-13T17:21:48 < Steffanx> Where is neuro_sys from?
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2016-06-13T17:39:08 < trepidacious> Is there an altium equivalent of a linter, or extra warnings on schematics etc.?
2016-06-13T17:39:26 < trepidacious> I know there is DRC, any good resources on enabling absolutely everything?
2016-06-13T17:40:11 < trepidacious> Like this seems like it should probably be included by default? https://designcontent.live.altium.com/PluginDetail/SinglePinNetReporter
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2016-06-13T19:04:44 < Thorn> http://techcrunch.com/2016/05/31/paypal-to-halt-operations-in-turkey-after-losing-license-impacts-hundreds-of-thousands/ ?
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2016-06-13T19:24:02 < aandrew> well
2016-06-13T19:24:18 < aandrew> wish me luck, I've bid on a bunch of shit on freecancer
2016-06-13T19:26:39 < Steffanx> for realz?
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2016-06-13T19:27:56 < aandrew> yeah
2016-06-13T19:28:08 < aandrew> got some bites back overnight, we'll see if it goes anywhere
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2016-06-13T19:59:25 < Laurenceb_> register going 4chan teir
2016-06-13T19:59:27 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/10/kim_kardashian_impregnated_by_lizard_alien_lifeform_during_brazilian_waxing/
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2016-06-13T20:27:56 < Laurenceb_> lul brittrash media is going on full anti putin mode
2016-06-13T20:31:04 < Steffanx> They should fame and shame those brittrash soccer "fans" aka hooligans
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2016-06-13T20:32:25 < Laurenceb_> apparently it was an outbreak of ultraviolence
2016-06-13T20:32:36 < Laurenceb_> sounds good to me, like clockwork orange irl
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2016-06-13T21:00:42 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/thumb/1465823813256.jpg
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2016-06-13T21:06:31 < Laurenceb_> http://pastie.org/10875291
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2016-06-13T21:07:02 < boB_K7IQ> ST webinar coming up with free eval board I think...
2016-06-13T21:07:03 < boB_K7IQ> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/about/events/events.html/stm32l0-f0-webinar-2016.html?ecmp=tt3680_us_enews_jun2016&sp_rid=MTA3MDAwNDQ4MzA4S0&sp_mid=13066988
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2016-06-13T21:09:44 < fest> uhh, finally a good use for work e-mail
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2016-06-13T21:11:55 < Steffanx> nah the l0 stuff is cheap anyway
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2016-06-13T21:28:40 < BrainDamage> Laurenceb_: re putin: https://i.imgur.com/rVwPUF2.jpg
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2016-06-13T23:13:45 < dongs> sup freelancers
2016-06-13T23:13:54 < zyp> I'm so high right now
2016-06-13T23:14:00 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/NOK1F.jpg
2016-06-13T23:14:18 < zyp> and apparently took a detour to antarctica
2016-06-13T23:14:42 < dongs> lol .
2016-06-13T23:14:43 < dongs> nice route
2016-06-13T23:15:15 < zyp> so, you're dicking around in the US now?
2016-06-13T23:15:17 < dongs> zyp, did you know jvnv.net is actually one of the top search results for AN2606
2016-06-13T23:15:28 < zyp> haha, yeah, I saw that before
2016-06-13T23:15:53 < dongs> ya, freelancin' in usa
2016-06-13T23:17:27 < dongs> We are designing a new wireless consumer audio device. A wireless speaker system.
2016-06-13T23:17:30 < dongs> The product will incorporate Bluetooth and other proprietary wireless technology, plus audio amplification.
2016-06-13T23:17:34 < dongs> The product needs to pass regulatory tests like FCC, IC, CE. Therefore, the design needs to be done with this in mind, and prior familiarity is a plus.
2016-06-13T23:17:37 < dongs> Embedded software development is a plus as well.
2016-06-13T23:17:39 < dongs> Part selection is (almost) done and a high level circuit diagram is ready.
2016-06-13T23:17:42 < dongs> You will be responsible for schematic, layout, and prototype testing.
2016-06-13T23:17:47 < dongs> why the fuck would anyone make a "bluetooth speaker" in 2016
2016-06-13T23:18:13 < dongs> > Must be in Vancouver, Canada
2016-06-13T23:18:18 < dongs> 20 pakis bidding
2016-06-13T23:19:10 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/project-10762143/
2016-06-13T23:19:11 < dongs> wtf
2016-06-13T23:19:17 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/payamdatarecover.html buyer
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2016-06-13T23:26:59 < zyp> what's wrong with bluetooth speakers?
2016-06-13T23:29:12 < zyp> apart from the fact that there's a ton to pick from already
2016-06-13T23:32:34 < dongs> thats what i mean
2016-06-13T23:34:18 < zyp> one of my pals got one of those «ue boom» shits, sounds pretty decent for what it is
2016-06-13T23:35:01 < dongs> there some bose bluetooth shit here that sounds ok. shruggin tho
2016-06-13T23:35:06 < dongs> huh
2016-06-13T23:35:11 < dongs> this place really values my business
2016-06-13T23:35:14 < dongs> please stay on the line
2016-06-13T23:35:18 < dongs> and not even hold music
2016-06-13T23:35:23 < dongs> i think they hung up on me
2016-06-13T23:35:26 < dongs> oh no, started ringing
2016-06-13T23:35:32 < dongs> haha voice mail box
2016-06-13T23:35:34 < dongs> what the fuck
2016-06-13T23:35:42 < dongs> within 24 hours what
2016-06-13T23:37:30 < dongs> k so this places idea of valuing my business is telling me to stay on teh line then forwarding to voicemail
2016-06-13T23:37:33 < dongs> fucking kikes
2016-06-13T23:38:36 < zyp> haha
2016-06-13T23:45:25 < dongs> oh, nice
2016-06-13T23:45:34 < dongs> L052s are shipped
2016-06-13T23:45:47 < dongs> so thats one less shit to worry about
2016-06-13T23:48:32 < zyp> nice
2016-06-13T23:49:19 < zyp> when you get me a quote, I'll run the numbers on everything, work out a deal with US guy and then probably get started on production
2016-06-13T23:50:24 < dongs> you will buy ST95s right?
2016-06-13T23:50:34 < dongs> from mousederp or whatever
2016-06-13T23:50:42 < dongs> ST assholes dont wanna sell them to me in china
2016-06-13T23:50:46 < dongs> or ST96 or whatever.
2016-06-13T23:50:49 < zyp> I don't assume I have a choice
2016-06-13T23:50:54 < dongs> so i cant get a better price for that
2016-06-13T23:50:57 < zyp> so yes
2016-06-13T23:51:00 < dongs> kk
2016-06-13T23:52:32 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/6CfNQBm.jpg found zyp'd phrasebook
2016-06-13T23:52:45 < dongs> and http://i.imgur.com/nmvca4M.jpg
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2016-06-13T23:59:29 < mitrax_> hrm
--- Day changed Tue Jun 14 2016
2016-06-14T00:02:05 < mitrax_> i wonder if it's safe to branch directly to the app from my bootloader after messing with loads of registers (for usb / SD etc)... i'm disabling every interrupts and disable the USB shit, it works, but i start to wonder if it wouldn't be safer to set a magic number in ram, soft reset, reset the value and branch directly to the application firmware instead
2016-06-14T00:02:41 < dongs> setmsp and branch is what the pros do, no?
2016-06-14T00:02:53 < dongs> thats what i did from my bootloaders anyway
2016-06-14T00:02:57 < dongs> oh and vtor
2016-06-14T00:03:33 < mitrax_> well that's what i do, but, that's after reading the firmware from usb or SD, erasing , flashing etc, i'd like the register to have their reset state when i branch
2016-06-14T00:03:46 < dongs> why? it doesnt matter
2016-06-14T00:05:11 < mitrax_> well i'm concerned some registers won't have their expected state and that could cause possible fuck ups that go unnoticed ftm
2016-06-14T00:05:19 < dongs> nope
2016-06-14T00:05:47 < dongs> when you use stdperiph and just do whatever_Periph_Init() thing, itll clear all needed settings anyway
2016-06-14T00:06:02 < dongs> mitrax_: think about it, what happens when ROM bootloader jumps to userspace?
2016-06-14T00:06:02 < mitrax_> it's not stdperiph it's stm32cube shit
2016-06-14T00:06:07 < dongs> same thing
2016-06-14T00:06:18 < dongs> rom bootloader has a 'go' command also
2016-06-14T00:06:27 < dongs> and they dont reset before it
2016-06-14T00:06:45 < mitrax_> okay i won't bother then
2016-06-14T00:06:50 < mitrax_> and keep it that way
2016-06-14T00:07:01 < dongs> i just dont think it matters, none of the code should rely on peripheral registers being ina certain state anyway
2016-06-14T00:07:10 < dongs> your main() will init all teh hardware first thing anyway
2016-06-14T00:09:13 < mitrax_> yeah ok but i ran into a few problems already, for example i set up the LCD in the bootloader to display update progress and hsit and use the internal ram as frame buffer and CLUT, i have to explicitely disable the color look up table otherwise it stays activated
2016-06-14T00:09:22 < zyp> I disagree
2016-06-14T00:09:30 < mitrax_> same thing for USB
2016-06-14T00:09:34 < zyp> I prefer doing a full reset
2016-06-14T00:09:50 < zyp> keeps thing easy and shit isolated
2016-06-14T00:09:52 < mitrax_> if i don't explicitely shut down the USB things it crashes, and that makes my bootloader bigger
2016-06-14T00:10:17 < dongs> zyp, AFTER exiting bootloader?
2016-06-14T00:10:29 < zyp> to exit bootloader
2016-06-14T00:10:34 < mitrax_> zyp: ok, so magic number somewhere in ram or backup register after the upgrade, full reset, and branch without checking for updates?
2016-06-14T00:10:49 < zyp> yes, that's what I do
2016-06-14T00:10:55 < zyp> hang on, I'll find my code
2016-06-14T00:11:23 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/bootloader.cpp
2016-06-14T00:11:42 < kakimir> jubbs
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2016-06-14T00:12:20 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKUzVHZ2hYd0tlaHc/view?usp=drivesdk farmer lyfe
2016-06-14T00:12:25 < zyp> some minimal IO is initialized, then normal_boot() is called to determine if this was a normal boot or a bootloader-boot
2016-06-14T00:13:28 < zyp> in bootloader mode, when it's done bootloader, it sets the do_reset flag, which triggers SYSRESETREQ
2016-06-14T00:13:36 < zyp> done bootloading*
2016-06-14T00:15:23 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/main.cpp#n14 <- and the code to switch from normal mode to bootloader sets a magic value and again triggers SYSRESETREQ
2016-06-14T00:15:31 < mitrax_> yeah i see
2016-06-14T00:16:02 < zyp> I'm being lazy and using first word of CCM block for this, since I'm not using that for anything else
2016-06-14T00:16:42 < zyp> but when I'm porting this to L0 in a couple of weeks I'll have to find a different place for it
2016-06-14T00:16:58 < dongs> zyp, did nfcboard have USB?
2016-06-14T00:17:02 < mitrax_> at 57KB i don't want the bootloader to grow any bigger :) so if i can skip some deinitialization shit, and then be sure the registers etc are reset state, it's for the best
2016-06-14T00:17:02 < dongs> you also changed to new type right
2016-06-14T00:17:06 < zyp> most likely I'll add a new section to the linker script, that gets placed at the absolute beginning of normal sram
2016-06-14T00:17:21 < zyp> dongs, yeah, last protos were new type
2016-06-14T00:17:29 < zyp> so everything is new type
2016-06-14T00:17:35 < dongs> oh okay
2016-06-14T00:17:53 < zyp> I can switch to new type on next arcin batch too if you'd like, if there'll be another
2016-06-14T00:18:29 < zyp> footprints are similar enough that I just have to do a footprint swap, update pcb and rebuild polygons
2016-06-14T00:19:39 < zyp> doesn't even have to move traces
2016-06-14T00:20:52 < dongs> well see about that when / if it happens
2016-06-14T00:20:57 < dongs> it does need new stencil so its kidn aannoying
2016-06-14T00:21:10 < zyp> ah, yeah
2016-06-14T00:21:18 < zyp> and korea uses framed shit, right?
2016-06-14T00:21:37 < dongs> i might have got a decent deal on framed shit from china tho
2016-06-14T00:21:47 < dongs> i ordered some huge framed ones for testing a few weeks ago
2016-06-14T00:21:48 < zyp> oh well
2016-06-14T00:21:50 < dongs> and they were cheap as shit
2016-06-14T00:21:56 < dongs> even with shipping its still cheaper i think
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2016-06-14T00:22:22 < zyp> arcin is selling so slow that I doubt there will be another any time soon
2016-06-14T00:22:28 < dongs> nice
2016-06-14T00:22:31 < dongs> time to innovate somethin new
2016-06-14T00:23:03 < zyp> this chinashit I set out to replace got a lot better
2016-06-14T00:23:13 < dongs> lolo
2016-06-14T00:23:18 < dongs> cloned thing?
2016-06-14T00:23:26 < zyp> they got a new firmware release recently which gave it more or less feature parity
2016-06-14T00:23:43 < zyp> so there's not really much of a benefit to replace it with arcin anymore
2016-06-14T00:23:43 < dongs> probably stole your code
2016-06-14T00:23:57 < zyp> nah, I think it's using some bullshit mcu
2016-06-14T00:24:13 < dongs> trying to think how to array 200/50
2016-06-14T00:24:16 < dongs> with minimal waste
2016-06-14T00:24:31 < zyp> like I said, best way is probably 2:1
2016-06-14T00:24:41 < zyp> and just not assembling usbjvs on half of them
2016-06-14T00:24:42 < dongs> that still wastes pcbs, no?
2016-06-14T00:25:12 < dongs> 3:1
2016-06-14T00:25:20 < dongs> 67 panels
2016-06-14T00:25:33 < dongs> gives you 201 nfc and 67 jsv
2016-06-14T00:26:02 < zyp> yeah, but that's going to be annoying to ship
2016-06-14T00:26:09 < dongs> have eto break up?
2016-06-14T00:26:17 < zyp> yes
2016-06-14T00:26:23 < dongs> ah hm.
2016-06-14T00:26:42 < dongs> so 2 nfc, 1 jvs in a long array?
2016-06-14T00:27:05 < zyp> yeah, if you do 100 panels of that, you can send 50 to me and 50 to the other guy
2016-06-14T00:27:47 < dongs> oh okay. and then just ship you arrays with unassembled jvs
2016-06-14T00:27:54 < zyp> exactly
2016-06-14T00:27:56 < dongs> because fuckem
2016-06-14T00:27:58 < dongs> ok, sounds good
2016-06-14T00:28:21 < dongs> also fuck you for naming your shit 'PCB1'
2016-06-14T00:28:27 < dongs> for BOTH of htem
2016-06-14T00:28:27 < zyp> haha
2016-06-14T00:28:47 < zyp> I'm too fucking lazy to change default name altium comes up with :p
2016-06-14T00:28:58 < dongs> thats why they fired you
2016-06-14T00:29:25 < zyp> idk, I never named any altium files for them
2016-06-14T00:29:41 < zyp> all the shit I worked on was started on before they put me on it
2016-06-14T00:30:46 < zyp> some of that was imported shit from orcad or whatever
2016-06-14T00:30:52 < dongs> ugh
2016-06-14T00:31:02 < dongs> imported schematics are awful
2016-06-14T00:31:09 < dongs> layout even more so
2016-06-14T00:31:30 < zyp> idk, I guess somebody cleaned them up before I got the files
2016-06-14T00:31:42 < zyp> they weren't too bad
2016-06-14T00:31:55 < zyp> surprisingly good for being imports, I'd even say
2016-06-14T00:33:09 < dongs> is gm1 layer on your shit the refdes centered overlay
2016-06-14T00:33:15 < dongs> (i havent looked yet)
2016-06-14T00:33:31 < dongs> heh no looks like its probably the outline
2016-06-14T00:33:34 < zyp> gm1 is outline
2016-06-14T00:33:37 < zyp> yeah
2016-06-14T00:33:42 < zyp> I'll do gko for next project
2016-06-14T00:34:31 < zyp> also
2016-06-14T00:34:33 < zyp> 23:22:31 < dongs> time to innovate somethin new
2016-06-14T00:34:41 < zyp> that's what the nfc reader is :p
2016-06-14T00:34:46 < dongs> oh right
2016-06-14T00:34:52 < dongs> but is that gonna be a repeatedly ordred thing
2016-06-14T00:35:16 < zyp> I hope I can sell a few hundreds at least
2016-06-14T00:35:45 < dongs> just claim it hacks miare
2016-06-14T00:36:00 < zyp> haha
2016-06-14T00:36:00 < dongs> er mifare
2016-06-14T00:36:10 < zyp> chip can do card emulation mode
2016-06-14T00:36:27 < zyp> I'm a bit curious about what I can do with that
2016-06-14T00:37:03 < dongs> zyp is in japan to explore suica piracy
2016-06-14T00:37:30 < zyp> I don't think it can emulate ISO18092, just ISO14443
2016-06-14T00:37:38 < zyp> but it can read suica
2016-06-14T00:38:01 < dongs> 18092 = felica trash?
2016-06-14T00:38:13 < zyp> yes
2016-06-14T00:38:24 < dongs> proprietary sony filth
2016-06-14T00:38:30 < zyp> p2p mode is also a variant of 18092
2016-06-14T00:39:17 < dongs> fuckin bored shitless here. fixed a bug in my keypad matrix scanning now my freecancer is done, not sure wat else to do other than sleep
2016-06-14T00:39:20 < zyp> ST95HF can read pretty much everything
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2016-06-14T00:39:48 < zyp> except mifare classic, which uses some weird proprietary crypto that breaks proper 14443
2016-06-14T00:40:09 < zyp> same reason most smartphones can read everything except mifare classic :p
2016-06-14T00:40:45 < zyp> so the reader itself will be pretty versatile
2016-06-14T00:41:27 < Thorn> so if you manufacture some board in low quantities and sell it on ebay or myscamshoppe.com, what are certification requirements? and what consequences can you expect in practice for ignoring them? (US, Europe, Australia etc.)
2016-06-14T00:42:03 < zyp> idk, never had a problem with that for the >500 arcins I've sold
2016-06-14T00:42:24 < zyp> I don't think anybody cares much about shit that looks like hobby electronics
2016-06-14T00:42:56 < zyp> it's going to be different if I'm going to do EV charger shit
2016-06-14T00:43:42 < zyp> I mean, most of the stuff that the EV charging infrastructure does is security checks to make sure nobody dies and nothing catches fire
2016-06-14T00:43:58 < zyp> so ghettoing it up is not going to be very popular :p
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2016-06-14T00:45:22 < zyp> from time to time I see some asshole trying to sell some «super cheap charging cable» that only has a small pwm generator to make the pwm signal and power hardwired on
2016-06-14T00:46:06 < zyp> «but look, there's a CE mark on it»
2016-06-14T00:48:39 < kakimir> buy ce labels from china and add it youself
2016-06-14T00:49:38 < Thorn> what if it comes in an enclosure and with a manual, could that make a difference? (still no wall plug and no intentional radiators)
2016-06-14T00:50:11 < dongs> thorn, probably nobody is gonna give a fuck for hobby shit in small qtys
2016-06-14T00:50:19 < zyp> Thorn, idk
2016-06-14T00:50:36 < zyp> only person I've ever heard about having problems with CE shit is karlp
2016-06-14T00:50:57 < zyp> iceland customs stopped some openwrt shit that was not CE marked and wouldn't give them to him
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2016-06-14T00:54:03 < zyp> «Estimated remaining connectivity time on this flight: 01:51, Estimated Time left in coverage zone: 00:20»
2016-06-14T00:54:14 < zyp> I wonder why there's a coverage zone
2016-06-14T00:54:26 < Lux> you can just label your stuff ce anyway. I don't know though what the legal consequences are if you don't meet the regulatory requirements regarding safety and emf stuff
2016-06-14T00:54:26 < zyp> geostationary?
2016-06-14T00:54:30 < mitrax_> zyp: isn't that super expensive?
2016-06-14T00:54:33 < dongs> zyp, haha
2016-06-14T00:54:40 < zyp> mitrax_, what is?
2016-06-14T00:54:50 < mitrax_> zyp: internet connectivity in the plane
2016-06-14T00:55:01 < zyp> nah, it's free
2016-06-14T00:55:07 < mitrax_> cool
2016-06-14T00:55:11 < dongs> hes probably flying with business class/miles
2016-06-14T00:55:17 < dongs> so everything is free
2016-06-14T00:55:17 < zyp> no
2016-06-14T00:55:32 < mitrax_> what company?
2016-06-14T00:55:35 < zyp> it's supposed to be $19, but free for gold membership cards
2016-06-14T00:55:58 < zyp> but they've fucked up the checking, so it works with basic/silver as well
2016-06-14T00:56:06 < zyp> SAS
2016-06-14T00:56:06 < mitrax_> ahaha
2016-06-14T00:56:09 < dongs> lole
2016-06-14T00:56:11 < dongs> gg
2016-06-14T00:56:14 < dongs> $19 is pretty cheap too
2016-06-14T00:56:26 < zyp> yeah, at least for a flight of this length
2016-06-14T00:56:26 < dongs> there was suppsoedly interenet on teh flight from canuckistan to alaska
2016-06-14T00:56:30 < dongs> but i never looked how much it was
2016-06-14T00:56:37 < dongs> i tried to connect to their wifi spot thingy
2016-06-14T00:56:44 < mitrax_> zyp: have you checked the upstream bandwidth?
2016-06-14T00:56:44 < dongs> it would just keep disconnecting before it could even get an IP
2016-06-14T00:56:46 < dongs> so i just gave up
2016-06-14T00:56:52 < mitrax_> zyp: i wonder if you could stream live video :)
2016-06-14T00:56:55 < zyp> mitrax_, almost nothing
2016-06-14T00:57:07 < zyp> I checked speedtest.net before and got like 1/0.05
2016-06-14T00:57:10 < mitrax_> ahaha
2016-06-14T00:57:11 < dongs> periscope live etweet
2016-06-14T00:57:13 < dongs> nice
2016-06-14T00:57:21 < mitrax_> oh well, that's fine for irc at least :p
2016-06-14T00:57:37 < zyp> but it's probably too bursty to be measured properly
2016-06-14T00:57:47 < zyp> yeah, mosh works fine
2016-06-14T00:57:59 < dongs> where does the internets come from?
2016-06-14T00:58:00 < dongs> where does the internets come fromsastellite?
2016-06-14T00:58:22 < dongs> i'm on some fucking viasat garbage here
2016-06-14T00:58:28 < dongs> goes down when its foggy
2016-06-14T00:58:41 < dongs> and my cellphone has better speeds than that shit
2016-06-14T00:58:47 < zyp> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/5400635802
2016-06-14T00:58:54 < zyp> ohsix, of course
2016-06-14T00:59:10 < zyp> I already explained to somebody else who commented that I were avoiding the middle east
2016-06-14T00:59:38 < zyp> the joke about antarctica was for the glitch in the gps data
2016-06-14T00:59:56 < dongs> 961ms
2016-06-14T01:00:14 < dongs> i get like 790ms
2016-06-14T01:00:27 < zyp> oh, yeah, intelsat is geostationary
2016-06-14T01:00:36 < zyp> ohsix, it's intelsat
2016-06-14T01:00:52 < BrainDamage> zyp: the MEO internet stuff is quite low speed, ( few kbit/s ), the high speed ones are essentially all geostat
2016-06-14T01:01:12 < dongs> aa FASTER CONNECTION AWAITS
2016-06-14T01:01:18 < dongs> SCAN NOW FOR HIDDEN PROBLEMS SLOWING DOWN YOUR INTERNET
2016-06-14T01:01:49 < zyp> any reason for that? easier to make tracking antennas for geostationary, so MEO does fixed antennas and thus gets a lower link budget?
2016-06-14T01:02:22 < zyp> ohsix, I dicked around with that last year or the year before
2016-06-14T01:02:29 < dongs> oh wow, downlink here is actually 12mbit
2016-06-14T01:02:33 < zyp> picked up the ADS-B from the plane I were sitting in
2016-06-14T01:02:34 < Thorn> don't you need >1m antenna for geostationary
2016-06-14T01:02:55 < dongs> http://www.speedtest.net/result/5401377654.png
2016-06-14T01:02:57 < dongs> feeeer
2016-06-14T01:03:01 < zyp> I were trying to pick up the VHF comms as well, but I couldn't find any
2016-06-14T01:03:12 < BrainDamage> Thorn: not necessarily
2016-06-14T01:04:11 < BrainDamage> zyp: yes, also meo requires a large constellation of sats to maintain coverage of a specific region, cost per sat goes down quite fast
2016-06-14T01:04:39 < zyp> true, but then they would give worldwide coverage
2016-06-14T01:04:52 < zyp> and these planes fly everywhere, having coverage everywhere would make sense
2016-06-14T01:05:38 < zyp> ohsix, is it only down?
2016-06-14T01:05:42 < zyp> says 2.8
2016-06-14T01:07:03 < BrainDamage> zyp: also with sat constellation you need p2p sat relay or fill the world with base stations to take off the signal, which also further restricts capacity
2016-06-14T01:08:56 < mitrax_> ahahah
2016-06-14T01:08:59 < BrainDamage> iridium is awesome in that term, 60GHz p2p sat links in a full mesh network, too bad it's tech from the 90s and company bankrupted from gsm competition >_>
2016-06-14T01:09:35 < BrainDamage> and ofc, insane costs and shitass speeds
2016-06-14T01:09:54 < zyp> ohsix, exactly!
2016-06-14T01:10:09 < BrainDamage> you're actually quite close to the truth
2016-06-14T01:10:09 < zyp> I was planning to dick around with some web shit today
2016-06-14T01:10:15 < zyp> but I haven't fucking bothered
2016-06-14T01:10:27 < zyp> since I can fuck around on irc instead
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2016-06-14T01:10:44 < BrainDamage> nowdays the remnants of iridium are partially managed by the us army, they even installed a dedicated base station
2016-06-14T01:11:07 < Thorn> https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/sk983
2016-06-14T01:11:16 < dongs> hm no pretty sure someone bought up all of iridium
2016-06-14T01:11:18 < dongs> and was sending up more?
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2016-06-14T01:11:24 < zyp> Thorn, yep, that's the one
2016-06-14T01:11:29 < BrainDamage> yes they kept adding sats
2016-06-14T01:11:30 < zyp> please don't shoot it down
2016-06-14T01:11:45 < BrainDamage> but the company has ties to the military
2016-06-14T01:12:10 < BrainDamage> i'd be more concerned about R2COM
2016-06-14T01:12:16 < dongs> heh
2016-06-14T01:12:28 < dongs> i've got iridium phone here
2016-06-14T01:12:33 < dongs> the number is like over 9000 digits
2016-06-14T01:12:51 < zyp> oh, like ipv6
2016-06-14T01:13:01 < dongs> not that long but
2016-06-14T01:13:09 < dongs> i think they have a pretty large prefix too
2016-06-14T01:13:49 < BrainDamage> iridium <-> iridium can happen completely p2p literally skipping around the globe, they only need the base station to authenticate the parties and billing
2016-06-14T01:13:56 < zyp> huh, looks like the plane is deliberately avoiding flying over china
2016-06-14T01:14:07 < dongs> who wouldnt
2016-06-14T01:14:13 < dongs> probably avoiding best korea too
2016-06-14T01:14:26 < zyp> inflight map shows it's turned a bit to skirt around the chinese border
2016-06-14T01:14:52 < zyp> haha
2016-06-14T01:15:02 < zyp> oh, did I mention I almost missed the connection in CPH?
2016-06-14T01:15:13 < Thorn> nobody flies over NK afaik
2016-06-14T01:15:24 < zyp> I originally had 50 minutes to make it, plane to CPH was 25 minutes delayed
2016-06-14T01:16:19 < dongs> i showed up at the gate for my shit 10 mins before tehy were gonna close stuff down
2016-06-14T01:16:43 < zyp> yeah, it turned into something like that
2016-06-14T01:16:46 < dongs> i was alread late, then took a wrong fucking turn on city highway to get off, then airport parking was closed for renovations
2016-06-14T01:17:08 < zyp> most people were already on the plane when I came
2016-06-14T01:17:44 < zyp> including my friends that I'm going with, they came with different flights from other airports :p
2016-06-14T01:18:20 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDw2Pu0-H4g some nut to bite
2016-06-14T01:18:24 < zyp> «oh, you made it» «yeah, I landed like 10 minutes ago»
2016-06-14T01:18:48 < zyp> thankfully automated passport check meant there were no lines there
2016-06-14T01:19:16 < zyp> huh
2016-06-14T01:19:20 < BrainDamage> would you have had partial refund if you missed it?
2016-06-14T01:19:23 < zyp> «Estimated remaining connectivity time on this flight: 01:38, Estimated Time left in coverage zone: 01:38»
2016-06-14T01:19:27 < zyp> guess it just switched sats
2016-06-14T01:19:44 < BrainDamage> makes sense there's one covering japland & co
2016-06-14T01:19:57 < BrainDamage> i'd imagine loss of connectivity happends over the ocean
2016-06-14T01:20:33 < zyp> BrainDamage, nah, they would have rebooked me to something else and probably given me some compensation for the inconvenience
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2016-06-14T01:21:01 < dongs> it was their fault right
2016-06-14T01:21:06 < zyp> yeah
2016-06-14T01:21:35 < zyp> they have a later flight to beijing, maybe they would have put me on that
2016-06-14T01:21:41 < zyp> or just rebooked me until tomorrow
2016-06-14T01:22:01 < zyp> or possibly some other airline, idk
2016-06-14T01:22:32 < mitrax_> you should connect to irc directly, not through ssh or an irc proxy
2016-06-14T01:22:35 < mitrax_> so we know if the plane crashes
2016-06-14T01:23:20 < zyp> same shit happened to me on a domestic flight last winter
2016-06-14T01:23:42 < zyp> they just rebooked me to an alternate route that arrived a little later and gave me a coupon for a free meal while waiting
2016-06-14T01:28:55 < dongs> To thank you for registering your FastPhone account online we will give you a $10 credit!
2016-06-14T01:28:58 < dongs> oh nice
2016-06-14T01:28:59 < Lux> isn't there a new eu law, where they have to pay you at leat 250€ if the flight is more than 3 hours late ?
2016-06-14T01:29:01 < dongs> and it costs $10 to add 1gb of data
2016-06-14T01:29:13 < dongs> so technically i paid $25 to get 1.5gb of decent connectivity
2016-06-14T01:29:48 < dongs> lux, 25 minutes != 3 hours
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2016-06-14T01:30:43 < kakimir> why japland is backwards land?
2016-06-14T01:30:44 < Lux> ah yeah, didn't see 25 mins
2016-06-14T01:30:45 < zyp> Lux, yeah, but does it apply to missed connections?
2016-06-14T01:31:20 < kakimir> propably friending too much with corporate murica
2016-06-14T01:32:56 < Lux> zyp: no idea
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2016-06-14T01:33:39 < Lux> it only states >3h of delay for inner eu flights and >4h for flights >3500km
2016-06-14T01:33:52 < dongs> thats terrible
2016-06-14T01:34:20 < Lux> http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/passenger-rights/air/index_en.htm
2016-06-14T01:34:25 < Lux> here are the details
2016-06-14T01:34:37 < zyp> I wonder if my luggage made the connection :p
2016-06-14T01:35:00 < kakimir> same time in europe there will be flat rate data thru whole union
2016-06-14T01:35:17 < kakimir> in few years or so
2016-06-14T01:35:22 < Lux> heh the german site has slightly different info
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2016-06-14T01:55:45 < Thorn> http://europa.eu/youreurope/business/product/ce-mark/index_en.htm
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2016-06-14T02:09:56 < Thorn> so in which cases do you need to involve this "Notified Body"
2016-06-14T02:13:06 < aandrew> hm, so so far some nibbles but nothing for sure yet from freecancer
2016-06-14T02:13:11 < aandrew> we'll see how this goes
2016-06-14T02:16:06 < BrainDamage> http://qz.com/705273/mongolia-is-changing-all-its-addresses-to-three-word-phrases/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11894368
2016-06-14T02:19:54 < dongs> aandrew: watcha cancering
2016-06-14T02:20:00 < dongs> i havent seen anything worth looking at in a while
2016-06-14T02:20:16 < dongs> i bid 110CAD/hr at some drone trash
2016-06-14T02:22:09 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Java/Raspberry-Hardware-Designer-Coder/
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2016-06-14T02:22:10 < dongs>  /jva/
2016-06-14T02:30:04 < Laurenceb_> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/about/media-center/press-item.html/n3827.html
2016-06-14T02:30:35 < aandrew> bunch of stuff. couple projects > 14kUSD, some few hundred euros and a bunch in the 1000-5000USD range
2016-06-14T02:30:41 < aandrew> a couple in INR just for the lulz
2016-06-14T02:30:46 < Laurenceb_> but its hatebus
2016-06-14T02:36:21 < Laurenceb_> should be capable of through brain  operation
2016-06-14T02:36:53 < Laurenceb_> I want to try gluing some fibres to it
2016-06-14T02:37:50 < Laurenceb_> I managed to abuse the previous version to do time gated attenuation through my finger
2016-06-14T03:00:13 < Laurenceb_> interesting, but there are huge differences in laser performance between vedors
2016-06-14T03:02:22 < Laurenceb_> thats not too hard to do
2016-06-14T03:02:37 < Laurenceb_> I've done diy wire bonding
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2016-06-14T03:41:00 < aandrew> lol
2016-06-14T03:41:07 < aandrew> everything I bid on has a "high" chance of being accepted. wtf.
2016-06-14T03:41:14 < aandrew> budget: 250-750. my bid: $3333
2016-06-14T03:43:48 < dongs> aandrew: right
2016-06-14T03:43:58 < dongs> high is just dumb troll shit
2016-06-14T03:45:40 < aandrew> lol
2016-06-14T03:45:40 < aandrew> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/software-development/Connect-laptop-desktop-preferebly/
2016-06-14T03:45:44 < aandrew> "software development"
2016-06-14T03:46:36 < aandrew> also http://www.foaas.com/
2016-06-14T03:52:46 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/j1yG6AS.gifv
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2016-06-14T05:22:19 < dongs> aandrew: softwawre development section is a complete fucking crapshoot
2016-06-14T05:22:29 < dongs> its all indians
2016-06-14T05:22:32 < dongs> asking for oho codes
2016-06-14T05:22:41 < dongs> er php
2016-06-14T05:22:43 < dongs> cant type
2016-06-14T05:22:45 < dongs> k
2016-06-14T05:24:21 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Waste-Recycling-Company/
2016-06-14T05:24:22 < dongs> what
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2016-06-14T05:30:49 < dongs> i got aandrew hooked too
2016-06-14T05:31:16 < dongs> sucks for you
2016-06-14T05:32:30 < dongs> lol
2016-06-14T05:32:42 < dongs> yeah VM is the only way to go for lunix
2016-06-14T05:32:47 < dongs> since it doesnt run on any modern hardware
2016-06-14T05:33:52 < dongs> lunix doesnt support multithreading
2016-06-14T05:34:51 < dongs> k gonna go for a drive
2016-06-14T05:35:05 < dongs> 8.30pm still bright as shit
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2016-06-14T06:17:28 < emeb_mac> wtf are you doing screwing around with linux?
2016-06-14T06:17:43 < emeb_mac> stick with windows
2016-06-14T06:24:50 < emeb_mac> first rule of ##stm32 - don't talk about linux
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2016-06-14T06:53:35 < dongs> lol, lunix
2016-06-14T06:59:24 < dongs> hm
2016-06-14T07:00:42 < emeb_mac> meh - diptrace 3 output not backwards compatible with 2
2016-06-14T07:00:48 < dongs> yeah its not
2016-06-14T07:00:51 < dongs> but
2016-06-14T07:00:54 < dongs> diptrace ascii works
2016-06-14T07:00:57 < dongs> between all
2016-06-14T07:01:01 < emeb_mac> now need to update all my installs
2016-06-14T07:01:07 < dongs> ah, yeah
2016-06-14T07:01:11 < dongs> if you are editing in more htan one box
2016-06-14T07:01:16 < emeb_mac> yup
2016-06-14T07:01:39 < dongs> is tehrea less retarded way to shift a negative mask to the left while 1-filling it
2016-06-14T07:01:55 < dongs> now i'm doing mask <<= 1; real_mask = ~mask;
2016-06-14T07:02:16 < dongs> i guess maybe real_mask <<=1 and |= 1?
2016-06-14T07:02:27 < emeb_mac> that works
2016-06-14T07:02:45 < dongs> same thing tho right
2016-06-14T07:02:51 < emeb_mac> real_mask = (real_mask<<1)|1
2016-06-14T07:02:54 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-14T07:03:12 < dongs> maybe compiler will pick some rotate instruction or somethin for it
2016-06-14T07:05:35 < dongs> heh nope
2016-06-14T07:05:37 < dongs> nothing special
2016-06-14T07:05:40 < dongs> lets see waht O3 does
2016-06-14T07:06:00 < emeb_mac> inline assy! :P
2016-06-14T07:06:19 < dongs> nope
2016-06-14T07:06:20 < dongs> same
2016-06-14T07:06:32 < dongs> ldrb, movs, add, strb
2016-06-14T07:06:51 < dongs> doesnt matter anyway.
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2016-06-14T07:24:09 < dongs> hm so
2016-06-14T07:24:26 < dongs> i have a F4 project that builds in keil
2016-06-14T07:24:31 < dongs> i made a makefile to build with gcc
2016-06-14T07:24:48 < dongs> it builds ok
2016-06-14T07:24:51 < dongs> .hex about same
2016-06-14T07:24:57 < dongs> but doesnt run.
2016-06-14T07:34:08 < dongs> "  AS autism/startup_stm32f40_41xxx.s"
2016-06-14T07:34:14 < dongs> do you think this is a problem
2016-06-14T07:34:36 < dongs>    text    data     bss     dec     hex filename
2016-06-14T07:34:39 < dongs>   30864     140    6388   37392    9210autism.elf
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2016-06-14T07:34:50 < dongs> stuff looks ok
2016-06-14T07:36:55 < dongs> vector table looks ok
2016-06-14T07:36:59 < dongs> startup is fine etc
2016-06-14T07:37:18 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-14T07:37:50 < dongs> its probably something dumb
2016-06-14T07:45:24 < dongs>   .fpu softvfp
2016-06-14T07:45:27 < dongs> what is this
2016-06-14T07:47:44 < dongs> k gonna try changing that to fpv4-sp-d16
2016-06-14T07:48:34 < dongs> nup.
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2016-06-14T08:06:09 < dongs> hmm
2016-06-14T08:06:23 < dongs> gnuturd startup file puts _estack in 1st byte
2016-06-14T08:06:28 < dongs> which is end of ram
2016-06-14T08:06:36 < dongs> somehow i dont think thisis correct
2016-06-14T08:06:59 < dongs> keil has something like 200019A8 in there
2016-06-14T08:13:37 < dongs> nope.
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2016-06-14T08:18:01 < dongs> where are all the gcc pros
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2016-06-14T08:21:47 < emeb_mac> no pros around here
2016-06-14T08:23:00 < dongs> yea but you build siht with gcc right
2016-06-14T08:23:22 < dongs> what does your working stuff set 1st byte in flash to?
2016-06-14T08:23:33 < emeb_mac> sec...
2016-06-14T08:23:34 < dongs> actually end of ram or something else
2016-06-14T08:23:43 < dongs> trying to figure out exactly whats fucking up
2016-06-14T08:23:56 < dongs> i cant evne tell where hte code dies because i have no way to debug this gnu filth
2016-06-14T08:24:07 < dongs> but nothing happens so I guess it dies early
2016-06-14T08:25:36 < emeb_mac> I used to know what that was. forgot tho
2016-06-14T08:25:46 < emeb_mac> hardly ever fool with that
2016-06-14T08:26:20 < knielsen> end of ram should be correct for initial stack (eg. 0x20020000 for stm32f4)
2016-06-14T08:27:39 < dongs> knielsen: well, then its not that
2016-06-14T08:28:16 < dongs> it never gets past setup() because i dont even get leds turned on on f4disco
2016-06-14T08:29:14 < dongs> ok, getting somewehre
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2016-06-14T08:29:29 < dongs> led does turn on if I move it higher into init stuff
2016-06-14T08:30:01 < dongs> ok not usb code
2016-06-14T08:30:22  * knielsen usually gets that kind of behaviour from a hard fault from forgetting to turn on a clock
2016-06-14T08:30:55 < dongs> yeah but this code works in keil
2016-06-14T08:31:10 < dongs> and I've written all clean stuff, each driver initialies its own closks, peripherals, etc
2016-06-14T08:31:58 < emeb_mac> dongs: what are you using for your linker script & startup code?
2016-06-14T08:33:55 < dongs> emeb_mac: startup from stdperiphlib
2016-06-14T08:33:59 < dongs> linker also from there
2016-06-14T08:34:04 < dongs> from STMSW4 folder or whatever
2016-06-14T08:34:07 < dongs> so i think it should be legit
2016-06-14T08:34:11 < emeb_mac> weird - never had any probs w/ those
2016-06-14T08:34:22 < dongs> i got leds blinking and dying through init - it could be gcc fucking something up in acutal app
2016-06-14T08:34:53 < dongs> and not llinker issue
2016-06-14T08:39:20 < dongs> ok
2016-06-14T08:39:21 < dongs> cute
2016-06-14T08:39:25 < dongs> it dies after DMA_Init
2016-06-14T08:40:04 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/yaHQtS47.html
2016-06-14T08:40:06 < dongs> never gets there
2016-06-14T08:40:12 < dongs> da fuq
2016-06-14T08:41:04 < dongs> why would this even matter, if it works with keil
2016-06-14T08:41:27 < dongs> ah
2016-06-14T08:42:13 < dongs> DMA_StructInit gonna try this first
2016-06-14T08:42:28 < emeb_mac> yeah - I always break out separate traps & check w/ debugger which one it ends up in.
2016-06-14T08:42:50 < emeb_mac> then backtrace to see where it pooped
2016-06-14T08:42:59 < dongs> yeah, dont have debugger here
2016-06-14T08:43:04 < dongs> stdink and i am NOT installing openocd
2016-06-14T08:43:06 < dongs> just to step
2016-06-14T08:43:33 < emeb_mac> lol
2016-06-14T08:44:08 < dongs> hm wait
2016-06-14T08:44:12 < dongs> it crashes BEFORE DMA_Init
2016-06-14T08:45:50 < emeb_mac> dongs: DMA_DeInit sometimes tries to access stuff that's not set up yet
2016-06-14T08:45:55 < emeb_mac> which causes fun
2016-06-14T08:46:10 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-14T08:46:14 < dongs> i think this is whats hapening..
2016-06-14T08:46:20 < dongs> i just moved led shit there and its not lighitng up
2016-06-14T08:46:21 < dongs> wtf
2016-06-14T08:47:26 < dongs> so uh
2016-06-14T08:47:30 < dongs> WHAT does DMA_Deinit try to do>
2016-06-14T08:47:41 < dongs> removing it fixes (that part at least)
2016-06-14T08:48:39 < dongs> well, code still dies but
2016-06-14T08:48:40 < dongs> hmm
2016-06-14T08:53:00 < dongs> ok its still some dma related tarsh
2016-06-14T08:53:09 < dongs> why the fuck this worksin keil
2016-06-14T08:53:31 < dongs> especially the DMA_Deinitcrash???
2016-06-14T08:56:27 < emeb_mac> dongs: do you do a DMA_Cmd(xxx, DISABLE) before the DeInit?
2016-06-14T09:00:50 < dongs> no
2016-06-14T09:02:50 < emeb_mac> the ST example code I've used does that prior
2016-06-14T09:04:04 < dongs> ok what hte fuck
2016-06-14T09:05:52 < dongs>     SPIx_TX_DMA_STREAM->NDTR = 72;
2016-06-14T09:05:57 < dongs> setting this locks up
2016-06-14T09:05:59 < dongs> ??
2016-06-14T09:06:17 < dongs> after i do     DMA_Cmd(SPIx_TX_DMA_STREAM, DISABLE);
2016-06-14T09:06:25 < dongs> since ih ave to disable the stream before reconfiguring it
2016-06-14T09:08:07 < emeb_mac> very weird
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2016-06-14T09:10:58 < dongs> fucking bizzare
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2016-06-14T09:12:14 < dongs> so what does ST do?
2016-06-14T09:12:18 < dongs> DMA_Cmd_DISABLE then deinit?
2016-06-14T09:12:32 < emeb_mac> yep
2016-06-14T09:12:56 < emeb_mac> 	DMA_Cmd(DMA1_Stream7, DISABLE);
2016-06-14T09:12:56 < emeb_mac> 	DMA_DeInit(DMA1_Stream7);
2016-06-14T09:13:26 < emeb_mac> then set all the stuff in the structure
2016-06-14T09:13:30 < dongs> well hey
2016-06-14T09:13:32 < dongs> getting further
2016-06-14T09:13:35 < emeb_mac> then DMA_Init()
2016-06-14T09:14:31 < dongs> nah
2016-06-14T09:14:33 < dongs> it dies
2016-06-14T09:14:35 < dongs> even beforet hat
2016-06-14T09:16:51 < dongs> motherfucker
2016-06-14T09:16:56 < dongs> it acutally JUST DIES THERE
2016-06-14T09:17:04 < dongs>     DMA_Cmd(SPIx_TX_DMA_STREAM, DISABLE);
2016-06-14T09:17:04 < dongs>     DMA_DeInit(SPIx_TX_DMA_STREAM);
2016-06-14T09:17:04 < dongs>     ledMode(3, 1);
2016-06-14T09:17:09 < dongs> ...
2016-06-14T09:17:13 < dongs> led afer dma_cmd = ok
2016-06-14T09:17:18 < dongs> led after dma-deinit = not reached
2016-06-14T09:17:24 < dongs> THE FUCK@?@##?$@?#$@?#?$?@#?#$@?#$?
2016-06-14T09:17:31 < dongs> god damn gcc whawt a fucking joke
2016-06-14T09:18:35 < dongs> solved
2016-06-14T09:18:38 < dongs> now to see waht  caused it
2016-06-14T09:18:44 < dongs> it was a bunch of -ffuckoff things to gcc
2016-06-14T09:18:49 < dongs> # GCFLAGS += -fstrict-aliasing -fsingle-precision-constant -funsigned-char -funsigned-bitfields -fpack-struct -fshort-enums -fno-builtin -ffunction-sections -fno-common -fdata-sections
2016-06-14T09:18:53 < ds2> that's the same reaction I have with Keil and IAR :D
2016-06-14T09:18:54 < dongs> one of these
2016-06-14T09:19:01 < dongs> ds2, thats because  you write shit code
2016-06-14T09:19:13 < ds2> that is using third party code :P
2016-06-14T09:19:54 < dongs> -fpack-struct
2016-06-14T09:20:02 < dongs> protip: never leave that in
2016-06-14T09:20:09 < dongs> i guess it fucks wiht DMA struct alignments
2016-06-14T09:20:11 < dongs> in stdperiph
2016-06-14T09:20:24 < dongs> very fucking PRO
2016-06-14T09:20:53 < dongs> this should go into zypsnips probably
2016-06-14T09:24:56 < ds2> dongs: are you linking with other binary libraries?
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2016-06-14T09:26:06 < qyx> so they are relying on structs not being packed
2016-06-14T09:26:36 < dongs> ds2, no i only write original code
2016-06-14T09:26:40 < dongs> i dont link with other dweebs filth
2016-06-14T09:26:47 < dongs> qyx, sure
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2016-06-14T09:29:53 < dongs> hm, gcc code is slower :)
2016-06-14T09:30:06 < ds2> if you don't have binaries... make sure you do a make clean before changing those options
2016-06-14T09:30:21 < dongs> my makefile takes care of that
2016-06-14T09:32:47 < dongs> hm
2016-06-14T09:32:53 < dongs> shit also seems to be running slower
2016-06-14T09:32:56 < dongs> timers too
2016-06-14T09:33:39 < dongs> ah
2016-06-14T09:33:44 < dongs> i think i forgot HSE_VALUE thing
2016-06-14T09:33:46 < dongs> in makefile
2016-06-14T09:34:42 < dongs> yep that was it
2016-06-14T09:34:48 < dongs> now gnu trash works same as eil
2016-06-14T09:34:51 < Simon--> isn't DMA_Stream_TypeDef all uint32_t? not sure why that would pack
2016-06-14T09:35:05 < dongs> no the struct is huge
2016-06-14T09:35:09 < dongs> oh
2016-06-14T09:35:11 < dongs> you meaninsides?
2016-06-14T09:35:20 < dongs> Simon--: i think the problem is acutal peripheral regs
2016-06-14T09:35:27 < dongs> as in DMAx_Streamy
2016-06-14T09:35:52 < Simon--> yeah, that's the type of DMAy_Streamx (grumble typedefs)
2016-06-14T09:35:53 < dongs> oh hm
2016-06-14T09:36:02 < dongs> it is all 32bits
2016-06-14T09:36:03 < dongs> fuck knows
2016-06-14T09:36:04 < dongs> but
2016-06-14T09:36:09 < dongs> removed -fpackstruct
2016-06-14T09:36:10 < dongs> shit works
2016-06-14T09:36:22 < dongs> thats as far as im wiling to give a fuck
2016-06-14T09:36:57 < Simon--> is that f3 or f4?
2016-06-14T09:37:45 < dongs> F407
2016-06-14T09:37:47 < dongs> f4disco
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2016-06-14T09:43:03 < dongs> bizzare but oh well
2016-06-14T09:43:07 < dongs> i dont even knwo what it was hitting
2016-06-14T09:43:11 < dongs> i guess some kinda hardfault/alignment thing maybe
2016-06-14T09:43:19 < dongs> since i dont have a debugger connected
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2016-06-14T09:52:00 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Hall-effect-audio-volume-control/
2016-06-14T09:52:05 < dongs> job 4 emeb
2016-06-14T09:52:37 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Handyman/Seeking-Electrician-familiar-with/
2016-06-14T09:52:38 < dongs> haha
2016-06-14T09:52:40 < dongs> freecancer
2016-06-14T09:52:57 < dongs> Project Description
2016-06-14T09:52:58 < dongs> To be able to check on defective PC/MAC motherboards to ascertain if it is indeed the resistors that need to be replaced and not the entire motherboard.
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2016-06-14T10:28:43 < mitrax_> CLUBFOOT
2016-06-14T10:29:35 < mitrax_> hi sir
2016-06-14T10:29:55 < mitrax_> nope... couldn't afford one
2016-06-14T10:30:36 < dongs> need that arm tutorial
2016-06-14T10:30:52 < mitrax_> ahahah
2016-06-14T10:31:03 < mitrax_> crt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLNaaFw51O0
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2016-06-14T10:59:31 < mitrax_> ahahaha
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2016-06-14T11:04:57 < mitrax_> crt: been keiling much?
2016-06-14T11:08:49 < dongs> mitrax_: did you see my adventures in gcc land
2016-06-14T11:09:05 < mitrax_> dongs: no? i went to bed, is that in the backlog?
2016-06-14T11:09:11 < dongs> sholud be
2016-06-14T11:09:27 < mitrax_> i'll scrollback until i see cursing in all caps
2016-06-14T11:09:29 < dongs> i had to do arrduino style debugging
2016-06-14T11:09:31 < dongs> yes
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2016-06-14T11:09:36 < dongs> and tons of monoblogue
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2016-06-14T11:10:53 < mitrax_> ah -fpack-struct yeah :)
2016-06-14T11:11:12 < dongs> smooth keiling, i like that
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2016-06-14T11:20:51 < mitrax_> i see
2016-06-14T11:21:41 < mitrax_> young dogs?
2016-06-14T11:21:49 < mitrax_> are they retarded?
2016-06-14T11:23:41 < mitrax_> good for you... i see lots of young people with half a brain
2016-06-14T11:25:33 < mitrax_> it's not that they're stupid per se, but it seems most of them lack interest and curiosity
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2016-06-14T11:33:48 < mitrax_> crt: do you rely on service manuals / common fault database of some kind sometimes or do you always have to search what's wrong?
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2016-06-14T11:36:14 < mitrax_> ohsix: works here (france)
2016-06-14T11:37:57 < mitrax_> ah
2016-06-14T11:38:18 < mitrax_> which one?
2016-06-14T11:39:35 < mitrax_> MLCC?
2016-06-14T11:39:56 < mitrax_> (the faulty caps)
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2016-06-14T11:43:06 < mitrax_> sad
2016-06-14T11:45:33 < mitrax_> do you repair mainly audio stuff?
2016-06-14T11:47:30 < mitrax_> eheh
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2016-06-14T11:52:39 < mitrax_> crt: what other china sourced parts you see failing constantly?
2016-06-14T11:53:33 < PeterM> crt, income in .AU is dumb
2016-06-14T11:54:24 < PeterM> you certainly woruld, legal minimum wage is like 40k before tax
2016-06-14T11:55:47 < PeterM> but the fact that a freshly qual plumber can earn like 200K/pa but a full ee with 10 years exp is bearly doing 130k is pretty dumb
2016-06-14T11:56:43 < PeterM> yeah
2016-06-14T11:57:16 < PeterM> trades in aus earn dumb big money
2016-06-14T11:57:55 < PeterM> a friend of mine is a sparky for BHP, he buys a house every 2 years
2016-06-14T11:58:27 < PeterM> not even
2016-06-14T11:58:39 < PeterM> just "aww fuck this needs fixing and its 2am, go fixit
2016-06-14T11:59:39 < PeterM> more like $900/day jsut to be on call
2016-06-14T12:00:12 < qyx> $900 a day could be an average month income of a plumber here
2016-06-14T12:00:15 < qyx> just to compare
2016-06-14T12:00:33 < PeterM> ya
2016-06-14T12:00:59 < PeterM> as i said, income in .AU is dumb
2016-06-14T12:01:21 < PeterM> like, unsustainable dumb
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2016-06-14T12:03:42 < Cicero-MF> just look at freelancer, that shit doesnt help any of us ee's
2016-06-14T12:05:00 < PeterM> and then there is the other side of dumb - someone who sits in an office jsut filling in forms for a company whos bussiness model doesnt really exist, and they earn 85k/year
2016-06-14T12:06:41 < qyx> ohsix: eastern eu
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2016-06-14T13:17:50 < Thorn> so op amp inputs need to be protected from esd if they come from outside? or outputs too (e.g. headphone amp)?
2016-06-14T13:22:12 < BrainDamage> outputs are low impedance, input high, the failure modes are different
2016-06-14T13:23:09 < BrainDamage> in pratice inputs are more sensitive because the scenario of large-ish capacity with ESR is rare
2016-06-14T13:23:20 < BrainDamage> which is more damaging to output
2016-06-14T13:23:34 < BrainDamage> while input large voltage on small capacity is what fucks it
2016-06-14T13:23:45 < BrainDamage> which is your typical ESR
2016-06-14T13:24:00 < BrainDamage> why did i write ESR twice
2016-06-14T13:24:03 < BrainDamage> i mant ESD
2016-06-14T13:24:07 < BrainDamage> i need a break
2016-06-14T13:32:00 < karlp> heh, dx.com issued an RMA for the usb hub I bought that was doa.
2016-06-14T13:32:11 < karlp>  wanted it returned via registered airmail, would reimburse.
2016-06-14T13:32:22 < karlp> but won't reimburse all of it from iceland, because iceland is too expensvie.
2016-06-14T13:32:23 < karlp> fuckers.
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2016-06-14T14:00:03 < neuro_sys> can you praise stm32 mcus, I'd like to hear good things about stm32.
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2016-06-14T14:00:14 < neuro_sys> and bash other stuff preferably
2016-06-14T14:01:09 < mitrax_> stm32? pftt useless shit!
2016-06-14T14:01:14 < mitrax_> we're just here for the chit-chat
2016-06-14T14:01:39 < neuro_sys> :<
2016-06-14T14:02:37 < mitrax_> j/k :p been using them for about a year and a half and they're really nice
2016-06-14T14:03:57 < neuro_sys> so it has no competitors, and every chip out there fits a certain task evenly?
2016-06-14T14:06:25 < tkoskine> One negative thing about STM32 is their SDK. Usually it is better to use registers directly, libopencm3, or mbed, depending on your needs.
2016-06-14T14:14:23 < danielinux> or run a complete OS
2016-06-14T14:16:02 < Thorn> [nsfw] [business opportunity] http://www.camgirltoolbox.com/tip-controlled-vibrator-for-camming-ohmibod-lovense/
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2016-06-14T14:50:41 < qyx> is it possible to trickle charge lipo, say at ~3.8V?
2016-06-14T14:52:03 < qyx> seems like it is not
2016-06-14T14:53:00 < qyx> " Li-ion cannot absorb overcharge. When fully charged, the charge current must be cut off. A continuous trickle charge would cause plating of metallic lithium and compromise safety. To minimize stress, keep the lithium-ion battery at the peak cut-off as short as possible."
2016-06-14T14:53:56 < qyx> but the charge current will actually be cut off at voltage lower than the max voltage when the lipi reaches it
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2016-06-14T15:03:44 < Ecco> Hi guys
2016-06-14T15:04:28 < ReadError> http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/06/10/oakland-homicide-suspect-shoots-self-santa-maria-standoff/
2016-06-14T15:04:31 < ReadError> efnet'er
2016-06-14T15:17:29 < ReadError> it is
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2016-06-14T15:45:01 < Thorn> http://www.emcfastpass.com/emc-test-equipment-guide/
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2016-06-14T16:32:20 < jpa-> http://i.stack.imgur.com/HxMG6.png   wtf is going on with the Y axis
2016-06-14T16:33:30 < ReadError> that scaling lol
2016-06-14T16:33:59 < ReadError> 4.0, 3.8, 3.0
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2016-06-14T16:44:34 < BrainDamage> that same distance goes between 3 and 3.8 to 3.8 to 4
2016-06-14T16:44:41 < BrainDamage> aka wtf
2016-06-14T16:44:49 < BrainDamage> not a linear scale
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2016-06-14T16:59:18 < Ecco> well it's a very weird scale
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2016-06-14T19:11:14 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkba6gxzF0U
2016-06-14T19:11:39 < jadew> I'm rewatching it
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2016-06-14T20:02:06 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-06-14T20:07:14 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/ZOxJKSD.png
2016-06-14T20:07:21 < BrainDamage> today in lollunix
2016-06-14T20:07:35 < BrainDamage> ( not mine )
2016-06-14T20:09:04 < dongs> thisscreenshot was made i n lunix right
2016-06-14T20:09:09 < dongs> awful antialiasing everywhere
2016-06-14T20:09:10 < dongs> ugh
2016-06-14T20:12:46 < dongs> Dear Customer,
2016-06-14T20:12:46 < dongs> The new website of Avnet Asia is live! We have replaced Avnet Express with a cleaner design, better navigation and a much bigger variety of available products.
2016-06-14T20:12:49 < dongs> yeah NO THANKS
2016-06-14T20:12:57 < dongs> if I keep receiving orders 6 months after placing them
2016-06-14T20:13:01 < dongs> i dont care how clean your website is
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2016-06-14T20:14:01 < OneSploit> Hi, does anyone have printf implementation for STM32Cube HAL ?
2016-06-14T20:14:12 < dongs> the what?
2016-06-14T20:14:24 < dongs> why would that be specific to hal?
2016-06-14T20:14:41 < OneSploit> I want to use printf in my program and output to specific UART I set up
2016-06-14T20:14:57 < dongs> so just override _fputc or whatever and done?
2016-06-14T20:15:09 < dongs> replace wiht send_shit_to_uart()
2016-06-14T20:17:42 < OneSploit> .../newlib/libc/reent/writer.c:58: undefined reference to `_write'
2016-06-14T20:19:25 < OneSploit> looks like I need to define lots of libc stuff
2016-06-14T20:20:02 < karlp> I just implement _write.
2016-06-14T20:21:59 < OneSploit> and other empty?
2016-06-14T20:22:37 < karlp> "other" ?
2016-06-14T20:22:48 < dongs> I think he means my "_fputc or whatever"
2016-06-14T20:23:02 < dongs> which i meant to be "wahtever the fuck gnu/foss freetard printf needs
2016-06-14T20:23:12 < karlp> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3-examples/blob/master/examples/stm32/l1/stm32l-discovery/button-irq-printf/main.c#L87
2016-06-14T20:23:32 < OneSploit> _lseek , _isatty, _fstat, _close, _read, _write,
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2016-06-14T20:24:06 < dongs> karlp: did you see my rage about -fpackstructs
2016-06-14T20:24:13 < karlp> in passing.
2016-06-14T20:24:14 < dongs> and how it causes hardfaults
2016-06-14T20:24:27 < karlp> I've hit packed/unpacked problems before :|
2016-06-14T20:24:32 < OneSploit> karlp, thanks, I will try to use it, although it's not CubeMX HAL :)
2016-06-14T20:24:41 < dongs> thats what I get for copypasting makefiles
2016-06-14T20:24:49 < dongs> OneSploit: how the fuckis it evenr elevant
2016-06-14T20:24:52 < karlp> OneSploit: implementing libc stubs is not related to timecube or not.
2016-06-14T20:24:53 < dongs> there is ONE hardware specific line
2016-06-14T20:25:00 < dongs> which is uart_send_shit
2016-06-14T20:25:12 < dongs> you should be able to know how to rpelace that wiht timecube equivalent rite????
2016-06-14T20:25:46 < karlp> dongs: feel your pain if the stdperiph shits don't specify anythign and needed to be explicitly unpacked,
2016-06-14T20:26:02 < OneSploit> dongs, nope, I am total newbie, just learning
2016-06-14T20:26:05 < dongs> karlp: it is weid tho, it was causing issues in DMA-related structs
2016-06-14T20:26:08 < dongs> which are ALL uin32_t
2016-06-14T20:26:19 < karlp> I had some struct that I was compiling for both avr and stm32, with no annotations, and packing changed :|
2016-06-14T20:26:37 < karlp> yeah, I didn't see all your ranting,w as away all weekend, but seems odd if every member of the struct was uint32.
2016-06-14T20:28:11 < dongs> like... one of the things that crashed ended up being shit like
2016-06-14T20:28:12 < dongs> SPIx_TX_DMA_STREAM->NDTR = 72;
2016-06-14T20:28:31 < dongs> which is Streamx_Channely->blah
2016-06-14T20:28:50 < dongs> er DMA1_Stream4
2016-06-14T20:28:53 < dongs> or wahtever
2016-06-14T20:28:56 < dongs> fuckin weird
2016-06-14T20:29:01  * karlp hasn't looked at stdperiph shits in so long, I guess there's some struct passed toa  struct that got upset
2016-06-14T20:29:39 < dongs> but everything in DMA_Stream_TypeDef is a uint32_t
2016-06-14T20:29:54 < dongs> whas funnier: this makefile is from a few years old f4project
2016-06-14T20:29:59 < dongs> so it worked at that point
2016-06-14T20:30:33 < dongs> gcc version 5.3.1 20160307 (release) [ARM/embedded-5-branch revision 234589] (GNU Tools for ARM Embedded Processors)
2016-06-14T20:30:36 < dongs> but obviously not with this
2016-06-14T20:32:17 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Dual-class-USB-middleware-for/
2016-06-14T20:32:18 < dongs> what
2016-06-14T20:32:22 < karlp> 5.3 has brought ina  bunch of breakgage
2016-06-14T20:32:25 < Steffanx> better not use such recent gcc
2016-06-14T20:32:30 < dongs> Communication Device: CDC rev1.2 - we need our device to bee seen as a virtual com port on both Windows and MAC OS, with two bulk endpoints, one IN and one OUT. It needs to run WITHOUT requiring an additional driver (means it needs to be compliant with the built-in virtual com drivers on both PC and MAC).
2016-06-14T20:32:44 < karlp> lots of things got turned into warnings and warnings into errors and lots of "implementation defined" started having a different implementation
2016-06-14T20:32:48 < dongs> there's no way to do windows CDC without an .inf, no?
2016-06-14T20:33:09 < karlp> sure, hop on someone elses vid/pid right?
2016-06-14T20:33:12 < dongs> Steffanx: but latest and greatest in lunix
2016-06-14T20:33:25 < dongs> karlp:  Please note that STM Cube and the USB CDC middleware from Standard Peripheral Library does not provide that, so if you're planning to build on one of those, you'll need to rewrite the class code.
2016-06-14T20:33:37 < dongs> but it does infact provide that
2016-06-14T20:33:44 < dongs> and ST has a driver in windowsupdate/signed
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2016-06-14T20:35:06 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Embedded-Software/BASCOM-code-finished/ haha bascocks
2016-06-14T20:35:26 < dongs> job 4 uphttps://www.freelancer.com/projects/english-us/Chinese-manufacturer-Quality-control/
2016-06-14T20:35:29 < dongs> er
2016-06-14T20:35:33 < dongs> job 4 upgrdman https://www.freelancer.com/projects/english-us/Chinese-manufacturer-Quality-control/
2016-06-14T20:36:18 < Steffanx> maybe this was his job and he got replaced by freelancer
2016-06-14T20:36:28 < dongs> hueaeahuaehu
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2016-06-14T20:37:28 < Steffanx> not stoned yet?
2016-06-14T20:37:38 < dongs> getting there
2016-06-14T20:37:42 < dongs> just woke up
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2016-06-14T20:38:30 < Steffanx> weird time to wake up
2016-06-14T20:38:41 < dongs> not if its 9.38am
2016-06-14T20:39:03 < Steffanx> oh yankeelanding
2016-06-14T20:39:52 < dongs> ya
2016-06-14T20:39:53 < dongs> bloggin on blogs
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2016-06-14T20:48:16 < Steffanx> fancy
2016-06-14T20:53:34 < dongs> Texas update: SWAT team shoots and kills hostage-taker; Arabic text found in his vehicle
2016-06-14T20:54:04 < dongs> NOT-SO-BREAKING: Microsoft aqcuires LinkedIn for $26.2 billion
2016-06-14T20:54:09 < dongs> news2me
2016-06-14T20:54:12 < dongs> whyt would they care
2016-06-14T20:55:00 < dongs> ban all middle east immgrants
2016-06-14T20:55:54 < dongs> BREAKING: 19-year-old female student stabbed 3 times in Rennes, France, by a man shouting his wishes to 'make a sacrifice for the Ramadan'
2016-06-14T20:55:58 < dongs> haha
2016-06-14T20:56:24 < dongs> lots of BREAKING to do during ramadan
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2016-06-14T20:58:59 < dongs> sup DONGS
2016-06-14T21:02:54 < Tectu> please don't use the name of he who shall not be named
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2016-06-14T21:10:26 < Steffanx> i guess people get moody when no food
2016-06-14T21:12:27 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/mbuZh1A.png
2016-06-14T21:27:47 < Tectu> well, happy to hear that. I'm 1.95m
2016-06-14T21:27:57 < Tectu> (note the use of the metric system - which should be mandatory)
2016-06-14T21:29:01 < dongs> americunts
2016-06-14T21:29:53 < ReadError> dongs http://www.banggood.com/LUX-32-bit-Processor-Flight-Controller-Support-PPM-or-Serial-RX-For-Multirotor-Racing-p-1060964.html
2016-06-14T21:29:59 < ReadError> i got cloned ;(
2016-06-14T21:30:23 < Tectu> time to rant
2016-06-14T21:30:26 < dongs> > make shit in china
2016-06-14T21:30:28 < Tectu> Engage Mayhem
2016-06-14T21:30:30 < dongs> > expect not to be shittycloned
2016-06-14T21:30:41 < ReadError> dongs whats odd is china never had gerbers
2016-06-14T21:30:42 < aandrew> ReadError: that's your design?
2016-06-14T21:30:49 < Tectu> dongs, is there a big difference between china and japland on that topic?
2016-06-14T21:30:49 < dongs> lol plz
2016-06-14T21:30:54 < ReadError> and shit looks close
2016-06-14T21:30:55 < dongs> aandrew: no, he cloned others shit
2016-06-14T21:30:57 < ReadError> but one part seemed off
2016-06-14T21:31:03 < ReadError> cant tell though
2016-06-14T21:31:12 < ReadError> pretty damn close though
2016-06-14T21:31:31 < dongs> Tectu: no idea, i havent assembled anything in china in years
2016-06-14T21:31:49 < dongs> last time i did like 100 boards in like 2004 or someshit
2016-06-14T21:31:56 < dongs> and it took months
2016-06-14T21:32:02 < Tectu> I see
2016-06-14T21:32:29 < dongs> k need to write a thing to change all color components in a dword but only if they're nonzero
2016-06-14T21:32:36 < dongs> how2do
2016-06-14T21:32:54 < dongs> ie 0x00FF00FF -> turndown() -> 0x00AA00AA
2016-06-14T21:33:09 < dongs> canat turn all theway down tozero tho :(
2016-06-14T21:33:24 < dongs> will write dumbway first then see about optimizing
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2016-06-14T21:47:00 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/rPPqzv6.jpg
2016-06-14T21:47:11 < ReadError> actually it looks like they just stole the pic
2016-06-14T21:50:35 < Tectu> black soldermask, such h4x0r
2016-06-14T21:54:34 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/cVudgHv.jpg
2016-06-14T21:54:40 < ReadError> w/o watermark
2016-06-14T21:54:46 < ReadError> the scuff on the stm32 is the same
2016-06-14T21:55:04 < ReadError> and the bad photoshop on the bottom left
2016-06-14T21:55:12 < ReadError> lower right corner of the board
2016-06-14T21:56:55 < ReadError> ohsix that guy was vegas
2016-06-14T21:56:58 < ReadError> Vegas
2016-06-14T21:57:00 < Steffanx> so you wear your soccer T-shirt yet karlp?
2016-06-14T21:57:00 < ReadError> from efnet
2016-06-14T21:57:08 < ReadError> the killer
2016-06-14T21:57:34 < dongs> http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/06/13/pearl-clutching-games-journalists-attack-violent-video-games-orlando-shooting/ aha
2016-06-14T21:59:44 < Sync> lel
2016-06-14T22:01:11 < dongs> sync, did you fucking bid on that 1004 load
2016-06-14T22:01:21 < dongs> or some other jappu did
2016-06-14T22:01:41 < dongs> anyway, im gonna get the other one anyway
2016-06-14T22:02:00 < Sync> some yap was it
2016-06-14T22:02:07 < Sync> get all 3
2016-06-14T22:02:17 < Sync> gayball is ready
2016-06-14T22:03:09 < dongs> heh
2016-06-14T22:03:14 < dongs> dude, they're 20kg each
2016-06-14T22:04:02 < dongs> shipping will be half their cost
2016-06-14T22:04:10 < dongs> and: ems rates went up by like $5
2016-06-14T22:04:13 < dongs> to eurotrash
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2016-06-14T22:13:03 < Sync> I mean, snailmail shipping is fine after all
2016-06-14T22:13:28 < Sync> but still cheaper than buying something from here
2016-06-14T22:18:02 < dongs> hmm wtf thers no DMA IRQ completion examples ins tdperiphlib
2016-06-14T22:21:50 < dongs> hmm shitty
2016-06-14T22:22:08 < ReadError> ya
2016-06-14T22:22:12 < ReadError> few other places
2016-06-14T22:22:14 < ReadError> stocks
2016-06-14T22:22:24 < ReadError> android
2016-06-14T22:23:04 < dongs> ???????????????????????/
2016-06-14T22:23:05 < dongs> autism
2016-06-14T22:23:15 < ReadError> dongs
2016-06-14T22:23:27 < ReadError> http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/06/10/oakland-homicide-suspect-shoots-self-santa-maria-standoff/
2016-06-14T22:23:31 < ReadError> efnet'er
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2016-06-14T22:24:14 < dongs> someone from #stress
2016-06-14T22:24:17 < dongs> ??
2016-06-14T22:24:22 < ReadError> dongs maybe that too
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2016-06-14T22:34:21 < dongs> sadly not ohsix
2016-06-14T22:36:38 < Getty> wow, just wow... its impressive how much you can fuck up as chinese... especially interesting here is that its like they WANT into that sector and into that deal... and then they really give out a new prototype to test which has WRONG parts on where it was RIGHT before... on BOTH new prototypes
2016-06-14T22:37:07 < Getty> but on top of that..... they made 2 new prototypes with totally different boards.... just by random i noticed that its not identical board, so i dont even know which is the "current" prototype
2016-06-14T22:37:42 < Getty> what is so hard for the chinese to just do what is on the documentation? like.... exactly.... ;)
2016-06-14T22:38:20 < Getty> i am kinda happy that the distributor is the customer and not me, so i dont have to deal with the outages of failures
2016-06-14T22:38:31 < Getty> ohsix: well.... its a board... and a partlist.....
2016-06-14T22:38:55 < Getty> ohsix: and we DO HAVE a working version here they already produced, they just had 2 wrong parts on it which they have to replace on their prototypes so that it all was fine
2016-06-14T22:39:24 < Getty> and now they introduce a modified version of the board and introduce a new broken part...... btw: its the quarz..... like.... its not like big enough written on it what is the right value ;)
2016-06-14T22:41:47 < dongs> aids
2016-06-14T22:42:54 < Getty> i think our mistake was to gave them both series at once into production
2016-06-14T22:42:59 < Getty> cause the wrong quarz is actually from the other device
2016-06-14T22:43:02 < Getty> as if they mixed it up
2016-06-14T22:43:20 < Getty> ohsix: yeah but i mean its prototype... the reference work.... dont they ... like check? at least once?
2016-06-14T22:43:33 < Getty> or is that really german to double check what goes out as reference work?
2016-06-14T22:43:41 < Getty> like if the parts on it, are the one on the partlist
2016-06-14T22:43:54 < Getty> i mean on this part its BIG WRITTEN on, you can see it with bare eyes
2016-06-14T22:44:04 < Getty> well they for sure didnt used a machine for those prototypes
2016-06-14T22:44:47 < Getty> as said, they want into that sector, so far they just produced for other chinese prework, they want to produce a western quality product
2016-06-14T22:45:07 < Getty> so they will now send prototypes till we say "yes, thats it", even tho they also have the factory test now at location so they can test on their own forever
2016-06-14T22:45:23 < Getty> thats the good part, they already deliver thousands of LED to my distributor
2016-06-14T22:45:27 < Getty> they will not wanna fuck him up
2016-06-14T22:45:41 < Getty> its like _ALL_ signs are towards: lets make it right
2016-06-14T22:46:11 < Getty> and they still fuck it up so ... obvious that a non electronican like me sees it on first view
2016-06-14T22:46:28 < Getty> i just cant get into the head of that person, if they dont care, they shouldnt have offered to do it
2016-06-14T22:46:35 < Getty> you understand my... breakage in brain?
2016-06-14T22:47:48 < Getty> i just dont understand how people can care and not care at the same time
2016-06-14T22:47:52 < Getty> schrödinger producer
2016-06-14T22:48:32 < Getty> when i mentioned that the SD card slot is "bad to use" they even send me a small video "presenting" the sd slot and how easy the card slips in and out ;) that showed some motivation!
2016-06-14T22:49:10 < Getty> yeah beside what they actually do, all other contacts showed at least good motivation
2016-06-14T22:49:18 < Getty> but yeah you cant look into the head ;)
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2016-06-14T22:49:50 < Getty> my german mentality is at all not understanding this, how people can just sit there and not check their own work if they have the own tester
2016-06-14T22:49:52 < Getty> they wait for my feedback now
2016-06-14T22:50:09 < Getty> thats even pure cash
2016-06-14T22:50:17 < Getty> the earlier they can start produce, the earlier they get more money
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2016-06-14T22:56:03 < dongs> hm my led driver is flickering wtf
2016-06-14T22:56:27 < Getty> hehe ;)
2016-06-14T22:57:01 < dongs> nothing changed except i moved transfer completion into IRQ
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2016-06-14T23:27:26 < dongs> sweet, flicker solved by arduino c0dez
2016-06-14T23:27:47 < dongs> http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?PHPSESSID=8ap8sqhrotch138b1b9jmpcuq2&topic=18099.msg131724#msg131724
2016-06-14T23:29:00 < Steffanx> Solved by Google tm
2016-06-14T23:31:35 < dongs> macegr is a well known arduino pro
2016-06-14T23:32:24 < Steffanx> He's the clive5 from the tarduino world?
2016-06-14T23:32:36 < dongs> basically
2016-06-14T23:34:24 < Steffanx> when you like tarduino.
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2016-06-15T00:04:50  * karlp cheers
2016-06-15T00:06:51  * mitrax_ burps
2016-06-15T00:07:15 < mitrax_> feel free
2016-06-15T00:08:02 < mitrax_> game of thrones is getting really bad :/
2016-06-15T00:08:38 < mitrax_> eh?
2016-06-15T00:09:40 < mitrax_> season 6 is boring and cheesy
2016-06-15T00:12:13 < mitrax_> yeah i guess
2016-06-15T00:13:09 < dongs> hello autistic chats
2016-06-15T00:13:20 < aandrew> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Architecture/Multi-axis-motion-controller-done/
2016-06-15T00:13:23 < aandrew> attn dongs
2016-06-15T00:13:24 < mitrax_> dongs: thought you were asleep  :)
2016-06-15T00:13:27 < dongs> mitrax, next time you wanna discuss tv, try /msg ohsix <name of boring tv show here> sucks
2016-06-15T00:13:39 < aandrew> natto makes him constipated, can't sleep when your rectum's full
2016-06-15T00:13:45 < mitrax_> dongs: ahaha who do you think i'm talking to
2016-06-15T00:13:54 < dongs> aandrew: iwouldnt touch that shit on a dspic even if they paid me for it
2016-06-15T00:14:14 < aandrew> well... that's kind of the point, to pay you for it
2016-06-15T00:14:18 < karlp> Steffanx: I don't actually even have a national jersey
2016-06-15T00:14:25 < karlp> I wore a blue shirt at least though :)
2016-06-15T00:14:32 < dongs> aandrew: i *wouldn't* touch it even IF they padi
2016-06-15T00:15:14 < dongs> i dont even understand wtf that thing is
2016-06-15T00:15:18 < dongs> is it something for CNC
2016-06-15T00:17:02 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Code-migration-from-PIC-NRF/
2016-06-15T00:17:07 < dongs> why do thesepeople even bother posting LOCAL jobs
2016-06-15T00:17:15 < dongs> theres nobody from USA on faggotlancer
2016-06-15T00:17:38 < dongs> except ohsix and hes too fucking lazy to make money
2016-06-15T00:17:51 < dongs> assburgering on irc about dumb TV shows is much more interesting
2016-06-15T00:20:06 < Fleck> you shouldn't care ohsix
2016-06-15T00:21:24 < Fleck> you should change friends
2016-06-15T00:22:31 < mitrax_> irc drama :p
2016-06-15T00:22:57 < dongs> he STILL doesn't get that hes on ignore?
2016-06-15T00:23:11 < mitrax_> he does
2016-06-15T00:23:17 < dongs> then why doenst he shut the fuck up about it>
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2016-06-15T00:24:52 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Illustration/Maritime-product-development/
2016-06-15T00:25:06 < dongs> how can anything wiht "product development" in it not start at several thousands minimum
2016-06-15T00:25:18 < dongs> like "make this shit for us cuz were too dumb"
2016-06-15T00:25:23 < dongs> budget: $250
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2016-06-15T02:21:12 < aandrew> < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Code-migration-from-PIC-NRF/
2016-06-15T02:21:15 < aandrew> yeah I saw that
2016-06-15T02:21:16 < aandrew> $/hr way too low
2016-06-15T02:22:37 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/yXKjZlG.jpg  <-- ohsix
2016-06-15T02:24:47 < aandrew> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/project-10769700/
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2016-06-15T02:35:44 < Laurenceb_> found the reddit atheists irl
2016-06-15T02:35:46 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-36531455
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2016-06-15T03:35:22 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1465947533517.jpg
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2016-06-15T03:46:41 < upgrdman> so those gay STM webinars... are they available for view/download after the fact? the f0/l0 webinar seems mildly interesting
2016-06-15T03:47:24 < ReadError> yea i believe so
2016-06-15T03:47:28 < ReadError> ive seen links for em
2016-06-15T03:47:34 < ReadError> TI has them too
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2016-06-15T04:09:44 < upgrdman> well this f0 webinar is extolling the values of free keil for f0
2016-06-15T04:10:03 < upgrdman> wonder how much of it will be edu and how much will be circlejerking
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2016-06-15T05:16:54 < jadew> sup?
2016-06-15T05:27:42 < dongs> bloggin
2016-06-15T05:30:19 < jadew> what are you blogging about?
2016-06-15T05:33:47 < dongs> not much
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2016-06-15T05:54:31 < dongs> aandrew: saw that sata thing, lol its some data recovery faggot
2016-06-15T05:54:41 < dongs> lol budget
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2016-06-15T05:59:12 < dongs> sup chinaman
2016-06-15T05:59:22 < dongs> i saw your job posting on freecancer
2016-06-15T05:59:27 < dongs> chinks are gonna replace you
2016-06-15T05:59:36 < dongs> < dongs> job 4 upgrdman https://www.freelancer.com/projects/english-us/Chinese-manufacturer-Quality-control/
2016-06-15T06:00:11 < upgrdman> lol
2016-06-15T06:04:11 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/PCB-Design-10777782/
2016-06-15T06:04:13 < dongs>  ????
2016-06-15T06:04:16 < dongs> yeah thats descriptive as shit
2016-06-15T06:04:46 < dongs> i heard u like pairs so im gonna make small pairs to pair with 4 other pairs k
2016-06-15T06:05:04 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/joegood2.html
2016-06-15T06:05:05 < dongs> buyer
2016-06-15T06:05:54 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Install-over-ubuntu/ fuck yeah
2016-06-15T06:06:22 < dongs> oh he wants to run BOTH
2016-06-15T06:06:23 < dongs> too bad
2016-06-15T06:06:26 < dongs> fuck him then
2016-06-15T06:06:52 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/RFID-Reader-10777015/ gonna sell them zyp's project
2016-06-15T06:07:09 < upgrdman> yesterday i trolled myself so good. using spi as a master, with dma for tx and rx. i was configuring tx before rx. if a higher-priority interrupt occured between config'ing tx and rx, the rx dma would start too late and cause rx dma to hang waiting for data that would never come.
2016-06-15T06:07:23 < dongs> nice
2016-06-15T06:07:24 < dongs> on stm?
2016-06-15T06:07:28 < upgrdman> lpc trash
2016-06-15T06:07:34 < dongs> i actually had something similar today on stm
2016-06-15T06:07:43 < dongs> soi just put stuff between __irq_disable()/_enable() gate
2016-06-15T06:07:43 < dongs> lol
2016-06-15T06:08:04 < upgrdman> lol thats EXACTLY how i tracking down this bug
2016-06-15T06:08:19 < upgrdman> "hmm. if i nig rig this block to disable interrupt, shit works. sweet"
2016-06-15T06:10:16 < jadew> if you ever wondered how balls are made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19duYMdiXi0
2016-06-15T06:12:00 < upgrdman> tl;dr for those of us in the 3rd world?
2016-06-15T06:12:18 < upgrdman> shit solder into the air and catch it as it falls?
2016-06-15T06:12:28 < jadew> haha
2016-06-15T06:12:36 < jadew> they cut steel wire and press it with a die
2016-06-15T06:12:38 < dongs> yeah including me
2016-06-15T06:12:42 < dongs> not clickin that link on atellite internets
2016-06-15T06:12:59 < jadew> then they pass it through a machine that grinds the odd bits off
2016-06-15T06:13:03 < upgrdman> oh these aren't solder balls?
2016-06-15T06:13:04 < jadew> twice
2016-06-15T06:13:07 < jadew> no
2016-06-15T06:13:11 < jadew> bearing balls
2016-06-15T06:13:11 < upgrdman> BBs?
2016-06-15T06:13:14 < upgrdman> ahhh
2016-06-15T06:13:18 < upgrdman> ok ya that makes sense
2016-06-15T06:13:48 < jadew> then they harden them and polish them a couple of times until they're almost spherical and shiny
2016-06-15T06:14:53 < jadew> and they make about 1000/minute
2016-06-15T06:15:17 < jadew> ohsix, no, what is it?
2016-06-15T06:17:06 < jadew> seems like those machines would do it faster and better :P
2016-06-15T06:17:45 < jadew> heh
2016-06-15T06:17:53 < dongs> ohsix knows all the important things about process optimization
2016-06-15T06:17:58 < dongs> too bad he doesn't apply it to his own existence
2016-06-15T06:20:42 < jadew> ohsix, looks like it doesn't take too long https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RN4yKvDruI
2016-06-15T06:23:54 < jadew> any ideas on lies to tell some guys from the heating company, so I don't let them in in my lab - they want to come over and change all the thermal meters
2016-06-15T06:24:37 < jadew> how do you refuse a free service, that's sort of mandatory, with out it being suspicious?
2016-06-15T06:24:45 < jadew> yeah
2016-06-15T06:25:32 < jadew> because I don't want my house to be broken into
2016-06-15T06:25:50 < jadew> I don't let strangers see my stuff
2016-06-15T06:28:43 < jadew> I could get all the test equipment and store it somewhere, but that sounds like a real PITA
2016-06-15T06:29:08 < dongs> you're one paranoid fuck
2016-06-15T06:29:12 < jadew> I don't think I even have that much extra space in the closets
2016-06-15T06:29:14 < jadew> lol dongs
2016-06-15T06:29:28 < dongs> i have probably 200k worth of shit in my office and i never lock it
2016-06-15T06:29:37 < dongs> but japan
2016-06-15T06:29:42 < dongs> not third world shithole like romania
2016-06-15T06:29:53 < jadew> probably
2016-06-15T06:30:03 < jadew> yeah
2016-06-15T06:32:27 < jadew> they're not thermostats
2016-06-15T06:32:40 < jadew> they're thermal meters, they count how much heat you use
2016-06-15T06:33:04 < jadew> yeah
2016-06-15T06:34:28 < jadew> don't know, once every couple of years
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2016-06-15T06:37:49 < jadew> I might do that with my monitors
2016-06-15T06:37:55 < jadew> so it only looks like I use one
2016-06-15T06:38:36 < jadew> some of this stuff is not even expensive, but they wouldn't know that
2016-06-15T06:38:48 < jadew> it's enough if they think it's something special and tell someone
2016-06-15T06:39:29 < jadew> could be crap, you still don't want random people to mistake it for something worth talking about with other random people
2016-06-15T06:41:18 < dongs> heh
2016-06-15T06:44:55 < jadew> hey
2016-06-15T06:45:10 < jadew> gnome
2016-06-15T06:45:36 < jadew> KDE, looks friendlier
2016-06-15T06:45:44 < jadew> but I always felt it's using more resources
2016-06-15T06:46:14 < jadew> because you didn't run chown from room?
2016-06-15T06:46:17 < jadew> root
2016-06-15T06:46:38 < dongs> how is that en remotely related
2016-06-15T06:46:41 < dongs> btw why do you care
2016-06-15T06:46:46 < dongs> throwaway lunix instlal just run everything as root
2016-06-15T06:46:51 < dongs> lunix permissions make no sense at all
2016-06-15T06:47:41 < jadew> yes
2016-06-15T06:47:42 < dongs> no
2016-06-15T06:47:53 < dongs> you need th fucking group too
2016-06-15T06:48:15 < dongs> user:group
2016-06-15T06:48:24 < jadew> I think it's group:user, no?
2016-06-15T06:48:28 < dongs> no
2016-06-15T06:48:35 < dongs> -R cocks:users
2016-06-15T06:48:48 < dongs> or hwaever,i think most retarded jewbunto clones make a group wiht same as username
2016-06-15T06:48:54 < jadew> you're right, it's user:group
2016-06-15T06:48:58 < jadew> but the group is optional
2016-06-15T06:49:02 < jadew> http://linux.die.net/man/1/chown
2016-06-15T06:49:16 < dongs> one day that site will be correct
2016-06-15T06:49:21 < dongs> and lunix will be dead
2016-06-15T06:49:33 < jadew> haha
2016-06-15T06:50:06 < jadew> which folder are you trying to change?
2016-06-15T06:50:15 < jadew> and does it give an error in return?
2016-06-15T06:50:25 < dongs> R2COM: i saidm fucking group
2016-06-15T06:50:29 < jadew> what does ls -l say?
2016-06-15T06:50:42 < jadew> is the parent folder of that folder, accessible to the user?
2016-06-15T06:50:46 < jadew> R2COM, no
2016-06-15T06:50:49 < dongs> no, when you chown the shit made by root, its in thatuser:root group
2016-06-15T06:51:14 < dongs> oh LOL
2016-06-15T06:51:15 < dongs> centos
2016-06-15T06:51:19 < dongs> fucking
2016-06-15T06:51:20 < jadew> for example if you chown -R myuser abcd
2016-06-15T06:51:21 < dongs> securelunix
2016-06-15T06:51:24 < dongs> just give up
2016-06-15T06:51:25 < jadew> but abcd is under /root
2016-06-15T06:51:30 < dongs> just . give . up.
2016-06-15T06:51:34 < jadew> then myuser still won't be able to get to abcd
2016-06-15T06:51:41 < dongs> jadew: hes running centos
2016-06-15T06:51:42 < jadew> because it doesn't have access to /root
2016-06-15T06:51:53 < dongs> those retards still use selunix
2016-06-15T06:52:11 < jadew> didn't know they gave up on that
2016-06-15T06:52:19 < jadew> I'm not particularly up to date to what's going on in the linux world
2016-06-15T06:52:38 < dongs> its the paranoid shit where you cant do anything
2016-06-15T06:52:54 < jadew> ah
2016-06-15T06:53:04 < jadew> then see what ohsix said
2016-06-15T06:53:20 < dongs> R2COM: /msg ohsix for all lunix xprotips
2016-06-15T06:53:34 < dongs> ^^ thi sis true
2016-06-15T06:54:26 < dongs> R2COM: chown -R user:user sf_DEV
2016-06-15T06:55:27 < dongs> no just fucking do what i told you
2016-06-15T06:55:48 < dongs> then just give up, selunix = garbage
2016-06-15T06:55:54 < dongs> or googl how to turn off selunix in centos
2016-06-15T06:55:59 < dongs> yes
2016-06-15T06:56:12 < Bright> sudo setenforce 0
2016-06-15T06:56:17 < dongs> Bright: shut up
2016-06-15T06:56:27 < Bright> rude
2016-06-15T06:56:38 < dongs> that doesnt solve his problem
2016-06-15T06:56:39 < dongs> at all
2016-06-15T06:56:46 < jadew> I'm not sure if I should paste what he said. What are the rules on that?
2016-06-15T06:56:53 < jadew> I guess it's up to ohsix
2016-06-15T06:56:58 < dongs> R2COM: https://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/5.1/Deployment_Guide/sec-sel-enable-disable.html
2016-06-15T06:57:34 < dongs> SELINUX=disabled, and reboot
2016-06-15T06:58:09 < jadew> well, I'm going to make some eggs
2016-06-15T06:58:17 < jadew> *cook some eggs
2016-06-15T06:58:23 < dongs> cok some dongs
2016-06-15T06:58:29 < jadew> R2COM, yeah
2016-06-15T06:58:43 < jadew> with bacon
2016-06-15T06:58:51 < dongs> wat
2016-06-15T06:58:54 < jadew> R2COM, no
2016-06-15T06:59:00 < jadew> sounds awful
2016-06-15T06:59:21 < dongs> anything involving beer is awful
2016-06-15T06:59:39 < jadew> ok, lost my appetite for a while
2016-06-15T06:59:59 < dongs> https://www.soliddepot.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=40355
2016-06-15T07:00:00 < dongs> lol
2016-06-15T07:00:04 < dongs> chinese jlink clone
2016-06-15T07:01:42 < dongs> zyp, how about pink 0805 leds for nfcboard
2016-06-15T07:02:23 < englishman> haha why would you do anything in lunix not as root
2016-06-15T07:03:33 < dongs> i said this
2016-06-15T07:03:41 < dongs> especially on a throwaway install in a VM
2016-06-15T07:03:46 < dongs> like why even bother
2016-06-15T07:05:14 < dongs> protip: use bcas.tv/paste
2016-06-15T07:05:36 < dongs> su - ragnar
2016-06-15T07:05:37 < dongs> also
2016-06-15T07:06:09 < dongs> what does sf_DEV look like.
2016-06-15T07:07:12 < dongs> why  the fuck you just dont connect by \\machinename\share stuff
2016-06-15T07:07:20 < jadew> ok, ohsix said it's ok:
2016-06-15T07:07:21 < dongs> windows file sahring
2016-06-15T07:07:22 < jadew> [06:47.15] <ohsix> chown doesn't change all permissions
2016-06-15T07:07:22 < jadew> [06:47.24] <ohsix> shit mounted with fuse will have it as a mount option
2016-06-15T07:07:49 < dongs> sorry to hear that fuse is still around
2016-06-15T07:07:59 < dongs> k, ohsix is the pro, i'm outa here
2016-06-15T07:09:09 < dongs> no idea really, all this shit takes ages to setu in lunix
2016-06-15T07:09:22 < dongs> does virtualcocks not have normal drag and drop between lunix/windows stuff working?
2016-06-15T07:10:00 < dongs> share a work folder from windows and mount it from lunix
2016-06-15T07:10:04 < dongs> using wahtever gui
2016-06-15T07:10:49 < jadew> I do that by sharing a folder on the linux VM
2016-06-15T07:10:53 < englishman> read answers on stackexchange like a real lunix pro
2016-06-15T07:10:55 < jadew> and mount it as a disk on windows
2016-06-15T07:11:09 < dongs> jadew, do youreally wanna talk him through how to setup samba? lol
2016-06-15T07:11:16 < jadew> lol
2016-06-15T07:11:28 < dongs> at least the reverse of just mounting a window share should be fucking trivial i hope in 2016
2016-06-15T07:11:30 < jadew> R2COM, no, Hyper-V
2016-06-15T07:11:46 < englishman> is anything trivial in lunix in 2016
2016-06-15T07:12:52 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Digital-Fuel-Tank-indicator/
2016-06-15T07:13:02 < dongs> 1500 INR = $22
2016-06-15T07:13:50 < jadew> going to get those eggs done
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2016-06-15T08:00:17 < dongs> anyone attempting to watch this should go out and get a huge bag of weed to be able to get any enjoyment out of watching it.
2016-06-15T08:00:21 < dongs> found movie for ohsix
2016-06-15T08:01:10 < dongs> the acting was so bad and the quality of the script was to the point that i believe i have gotten cancer from this.
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2016-06-15T08:04:44 < englishman> what movie is this, star wars?
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2016-06-15T08:06:50 < dongs> yes
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2016-06-15T08:49:09 < upgrdman> wtf is INR curreny
2016-06-15T08:49:12 < upgrdman> israel?
2016-06-15T08:49:53 < dongs> indian rupeees
2016-06-15T08:49:57 < dongs> the paki currency
2016-06-15T09:18:52 < dongs> jesus fuck
2016-06-15T09:19:01 < dongs> some paki 'hireme' on freecancer
2016-06-15T09:19:09 < dongs> 'plz write me 50 pages bachelors degree report thingy on co2 gas sensors.
2016-06-15T09:19:11 < dongs> ... for $200
2016-06-15T09:19:14 < dongs> no tahnks
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2016-06-15T10:04:53 < upgrdman> you have tried to figure out his uni and report him
2016-06-15T10:05:00 < upgrdman> dont get mad, get even
2016-06-15T10:18:57 < dongs> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/fragment/product_related/rpn_information/board_photo/group0/81/0f/bc/9a/a9/8c/4f/10/STEVAL-WESU1%20image%20with%20box/files/steval_-wesu1.png/_jcr_content/translations/en.steval_-wesu1.png
2016-06-15T10:19:01 < dongs> wtf is this
2016-06-15T10:19:54 < dongs> upgrdman: he was talking so vague i am almost feeling its a repost of a repost
2016-06-15T10:20:09 < dongs> like "what do you knwo about LEDS"
2016-06-15T10:21:30 < dongs> STEVAL-WESU1 is a reference design developed and optimized to help designers implement the latest technologies in wearable and portable applications.
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2016-06-15T10:34:56 < upgrdman> heh
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2016-06-15T10:53:58 < dongs> hmm placing mouser order to USA
2016-06-15T10:54:00 < dongs> anythign cool to get?
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2016-06-15T11:13:29 < qyx> we have that national originality checking thing for scientific papers and reports
2016-06-15T11:14:10 < qyx> sou you are not able to submit something twice or copy&paste stuff without citing the source
2016-06-15T11:16:00 < dongs> of course
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2016-06-15T11:36:04 < zyp> dongs, haha, you got a ton of them to get rid of or what?
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2016-06-15T11:36:51 < dongs> zyp, what do oyu mean
2016-06-15T11:36:59 < dongs> i'm literally in the middle of nowhere and nothign to do
2016-06-15T11:37:11 < dongs> yes i've got 24 hours of time to get rid of
2016-06-15T11:37:33 < zyp> the pink leds
2016-06-15T11:37:36 < dongs> oh
2016-06-15T11:37:36 < PeterM> dongs, go buy some fireworks and blowq up a small part of the big fat country
2016-06-15T11:37:38 < dongs> lole
2016-06-15T11:37:42 < zyp> since you keep going on about that :p
2016-06-15T11:37:47 < dongs> zyp, no, they're just pink
2016-06-15T11:38:16 < mitrax_> zyp: did he put some of those pink leds on your boards? :p
2016-06-15T11:38:27 < dongs> not yet
2016-06-15T11:38:29 < dongs> but im going to
2016-06-15T11:38:47 < PeterM> zyp was it you looking for the half bridge driver or qyx?
2016-06-15T11:38:53 < dongs> qxy
2016-06-15T11:39:08 < dongs> cmon what do add from mouser
2016-06-15T11:39:13 < dongs> rying to remember which -disco board I dont have
2016-06-15T11:39:36 < PeterM> thef7qfpdisco?
2016-06-15T11:39:36 < talsit> are the nucleo's -disco too?
2016-06-15T11:40:05 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/STM32F4DIS-WIFI/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMukBJem%252bjLAJ7%2fGf6bXFxvq
2016-06-15T11:40:08 < dongs> wat
2016-06-15T11:40:33 < qyx> PeterM: me
2016-06-15T11:41:05 < zyp> dongs, how much did you say the L0s were?
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2016-06-15T11:41:16 < dongs> zyp, lemme get exact number
2016-06-15T11:41:42 < dongs> $587.70
2016-06-15T11:42:03 < dongs> so like 2..35ea
2016-06-15T11:42:28 < dongs> do you want me to pickup ST95 shits?
2016-06-15T11:42:32 < dongs> or youre still not sure if this shit is happening
2016-06-15T11:42:57 < dongs> since im making a mousderp order
2016-06-15T11:43:34 < zyp> ah, maybe
2016-06-15T11:43:53 < zyp> I'm running the numbers right now, lemme check if the other guy is awake so I can confirm with him
2016-06-15T11:43:59 < dongs> hokay
2016-06-15T11:44:12 < dongs> pcba probly < $1/ea + framed stencil
2016-06-15T11:44:54 < zyp> stencils were like $68, or was that unframed?
2016-06-15T11:45:01 < dongs> unframed
2016-06-15T11:45:12 < zyp> framed was like double?
2016-06-15T11:45:16 < dongs> use 180 as reference but I might be able to get chinagirl to do a better deal even wit ship
2016-06-15T11:45:25 < zyp> okay
2016-06-15T11:47:56 < zyp> $1/ea per board or per panel?
2016-06-15T11:48:31 < dongs> panel
2016-06-15T11:48:53 < zyp> ah, so like $100 total
2016-06-15T11:53:52 < zyp> there's not a whole lot of parts on them
2016-06-15T11:54:46 < dongs> yeah rough guess and i dunno i might just run those through low volume line
2016-06-15T11:54:53 < dongs> so it could be way chceaper.
2016-06-15T11:55:11 < dongs> use those numbrs as worst case
2016-06-15T11:55:35 < zyp> yeah, that's what I figured
2016-06-15T11:57:32 < zyp> looks like even with worst case estimate, final cost per board will be less than $10/ea
2016-06-15T11:58:03 < zyp> probably more for the nfc readers, since the nfc chip from mouser is the most expensive part
2016-06-15T11:58:16 < zyp> 200 of those is like a third of the total sum
2016-06-15T11:58:25 < Ecco> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AtMt0eUO6c
2016-06-15T11:58:28 < dongs> heh right
2016-06-15T12:00:41 < zyp> ok
2016-06-15T12:00:55 < dongs> link to st95 thing
2016-06-15T12:01:05 < dongs> or whatever it is
2016-06-15T12:01:16 < zyp> us guy is not online right now, but cost is not a problem, so this will be happening
2016-06-15T12:01:29 < zyp> http://no.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/ST95HF-VMD5T/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvfpQN6QVmrfO3BsI5hgV1T%252bfe3zn8cxHw=
2016-06-15T12:02:40 < dongs> ok so im adding those to mouseer
2016-06-15T12:02:50 < dongs> $877.50
2016-06-15T12:03:09 < dongs> time to save cart and checkout
2016-06-15T12:03:26 < Ecco> oh shit
2016-06-15T12:03:30 < Ecco> what the hell did you buy?
2016-06-15T12:03:54 < dongs> stuff
2016-06-15T12:04:36 < dongs> what the fuck
2016-06-15T12:04:41 < dongs> front page of mouser has captain america civil war ad
2016-06-15T12:04:59 < PeterM> $877.5 isnt even a reel of parts, what do you mean what the hell did you buy
2016-06-15T12:05:17 < Sync> lots of 0402 resistors
2016-06-15T12:05:34 < PeterM> this is true, but 0402 resistors arent parts
2016-06-15T12:05:52 < dongs> reel of 0402 anything is like $3
2016-06-15T12:05:55 < PeterM> they're glorified ceramics dust
2016-06-15T12:06:13 < dongs> what the fuck
2016-06-15T12:06:19 < dongs> mouser wants $60 for shipping to USA?
2016-06-15T12:06:25 < zyp> wat
2016-06-15T12:06:26 < dongs> dont they have fucking free shipping for orders . $2k
2016-06-15T12:06:28 < dongs> lol
2016-06-15T12:06:59 < Sync> assholes
2016-06-15T12:07:21 < dongs> UPS	2nd Day	$69.01
2016-06-15T12:07:21 < dongs> Next Day	$115.16
2016-06-15T12:07:21 < dongs> FedEx	2nd Day	$69.01
2016-06-15T12:07:21 < dongs> Standard Overnight	$110.00
2016-06-15T12:07:21 < dongs> Priority Overnight	$115.16
2016-06-15T12:07:23 < dongs> Priority Overnight Early AM	$141.16
2016-06-15T12:07:26 < dongs> what a bunch of retarded choices
2016-06-15T12:07:33 < dongs> gonna fucking chat them right now
2016-06-15T12:07:51 < PeterM> randing from stupid expensive to full retard
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2016-06-15T12:09:10 < dongs> live chat is currently offline
2016-06-15T12:09:12 < dongs> well fuck
2016-06-15T12:09:29 < zyp> they have a US warehouse, and does free shipping to all over the world except US?
2016-06-15T12:09:32 < zyp> makes sense
2016-06-15T12:09:39 < dongs> yeah for real
2016-06-15T12:10:43 < dongs> yeah its same fucking price to either of my u.s. addreses
2016-06-15T12:10:46 < dongs> what a fucking joek
2016-06-15T12:10:50 < dongs> o well
2016-06-15T12:10:53 < dongs> im getting other shit anyways
2016-06-15T12:10:54 < zyp> what about digikey?
2016-06-15T12:10:59 < dongs> digikey doesnt do paypal
2016-06-15T12:11:02 < dongs> so thats out
2016-06-15T12:11:05 < zyp> ah, right
2016-06-15T12:11:20 < Ecco> you don't have a credit card?
2016-06-15T12:11:23 < dongs> it doesnt matter, other assholes will pay for the shipping
2016-06-15T12:12:27 < dongs> hm i can use my freight account number but im certain it will not be any better price there heh
2016-06-15T12:14:38 < dongs> ordered, actually wht ill do is chat htem tomororw
2016-06-15T12:14:46 < dongs> and ask just how ridiculous it is charging $60 shipping on a huge order
2016-06-15T12:14:50 < dongs> and get it refunded :)
2016-06-15T12:14:53 < dongs> after they ship, of course.
2016-06-15T12:15:32 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/new/Omron-Electronics/omron-b5t-hvc-sensor/
2016-06-15T12:15:33 < dongs> wat
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2016-06-15T12:21:08 < Ecco> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AtMt0eUO6c
2016-06-15T12:21:38 < Ecco> :-)
2016-06-15T12:25:21 < Ecco> What's the point though?
2016-06-15T12:26:22 < AmarOk_> Ok, my cca02m1 works
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2016-06-15T12:26:49 < AmarOk_> with a stm32f401 not the 446
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2016-06-15T12:38:35 < zyp> dongs, haha
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2016-06-15T12:39:04 < Steffanx> Dont you sleep or work ohsix. Youre always active :S
2016-06-15T12:39:19 < dongs> Steffanx: correct
2016-06-15T12:39:28 < dongs> no job, too lazy to get one and make money
2016-06-15T12:39:32 < dongs> leeches off "friends"
2016-06-15T12:39:58 < dongs> its liek 2.40am in his place
2016-06-15T12:40:01 < dongs> totally perfeect time to be awake
2016-06-15T12:40:13 < Steffanx> You are too predictable dongs -_-
2016-06-15T12:40:28 < dongs> what, did you acutally troll me
2016-06-15T12:40:34 < dongs> by talking to ohsix who isnt awake
2016-06-15T12:41:18 < Steffanx> He is awake but i knew you would say something like this.
2016-06-15T12:41:22 < dongs> o
2016-06-15T12:41:27 < dongs> well just stating facts
2016-06-15T12:41:55 < Steffanx> But im still curious ohsix
2016-06-15T12:42:19 < Steffanx> I need to update my files one everyone here
2016-06-15T12:45:34 < Steffanx> The backlog thing. That is only annoying because the context seems to be missing
2016-06-15T12:45:52 < Steffanx> -> hard to follow.
2016-06-15T12:47:13 < Steffanx> Anyway. File updated :P
2016-06-15T13:04:05 < dongs> 3. Are you or is your company currently listed on the Debar List of the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls, U.S. State Department?
2016-06-15T13:04:08 < dongs> why does mouser want to knwo this
2016-06-15T13:05:51 < qyx> I am curious if theres anyone who would answer yes
2016-06-15T13:06:29 < dongs> haha
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2016-06-15T13:12:27 < Steffanx> Damn PIC. Why the first by is at half the baudrate it is so supposed to be at?
2016-06-15T13:12:47 < Steffanx> Byte*
2016-06-15T13:13:07 < Steffanx> 24f something
2016-06-15T13:14:29 < jpa-> Steffanx: do you remember to config baudrate before enabling the uart?
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2016-06-15T13:18:23 < Steffanx> Nah standard microchip lib codez jpa-
2016-06-15T13:18:27 < Steffanx> Have to check
2016-06-15T13:27:00 < Steffanx> Oh yay precompiled lib.
2016-06-15T13:27:08 < Steffanx> Cant see sores
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2016-06-15T13:45:08 < jadew> they installed the meters
2016-06-15T13:46:03 < jadew> just a bit
2016-06-15T13:47:46 < jadew> I put my test equipment in the closet tho, left out only the junk
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2016-06-15T13:51:16 < ReadError> ohsix seen that show 'Inside Man' ?
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2016-06-15T14:27:09 < Steffanx> Yes.
2016-06-15T14:27:49 < upgrdman> whats the phrase forb
2016-06-15T14:27:54 < jadew> I wanted to post a NSFW link but I guess I changed my mind. Thought you said "Yes" to that.
2016-06-15T14:28:28 < upgrdman> Whats the phrase for programming styles like MVC, etc
2016-06-15T14:28:40 < jadew> design patterns
2016-06-15T14:28:53 < upgrdman> jadew, post link to nsfw plz
2016-06-15T14:28:58 < karlp> upgrdman: forb or fob?
2016-06-15T14:29:20 < upgrdman> karlp, see next line, i pressed enter to soon
2016-06-15T14:29:32 < jadew> highly NSFW: http://sheilastretch.tumblr.com/post/39813800554/going-out-swinging-with-a-hidden-fleshlight-in-me
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2016-06-15T14:33:16 < Steffanx> Yes.
2016-06-15T14:34:02 < ReadError> ya pretty decent
2016-06-15T14:34:54 < ReadError> hm?
2016-06-15T14:38:27 < ReadError> nah not seen that
2016-06-15T14:38:30 < ReadError> heard about it
2016-06-15T14:38:33 < jadew> good show
2016-06-15T14:38:48 < jadew> if you like family guy, you'll like this, it's better
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2016-06-15T14:43:43 < jadew> I'm already at season 2 again :D
2016-06-15T14:44:34 < jadew> yeah
2016-06-15T14:44:47 < jadew> yeah
2016-06-15T14:44:57 < Steffanx> Hi crt. Howzit?
2016-06-15T14:45:31 < jadew> I loved the part where he concluded that something is wrong
2016-06-15T14:47:08 < jadew> see ya
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2016-06-15T14:50:36 < decimad> Hehe, I came up with another template-monstrum for you to laugh at ;)
2016-06-15T14:51:44 < decimad> https://github.com/decimad/netser/blob/development/README.md
2016-06-15T14:56:44 < karlp> lots of arm _does_ support unaligned access, just with a perf penalty.
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2016-06-15T15:04:41 < decimad> mine does not
2016-06-15T15:05:06 < decimad> if it does support them, just define the memory access alignment requirements in the config
2016-06-15T15:05:25 < zyp> M0 doesn't support unaligned
2016-06-15T15:05:40 < zyp> M3 and higher does, but has a setting to optionally fault on them
2016-06-15T15:05:43 < decimad> I suppose the penalty of unaligned accesses is not as bad as the penalty introduced by the bitstuff otherwise
2016-06-15T15:06:49 < decimad> anyways, it is all configured at one spot, namely the list of platform memory accesses, so  client code does not need to worry about that
2016-06-15T15:07:34 < ReadError> Shortly before the Memorial Day weekend (late May 2016), we became aware that stolen Myspace user login data was being made available in an online hacker forum. The data stolen included user login data from a portion of accounts that were created prior to June 11, 2013 on the old Myspace platform.
2016-06-15T15:07:34 < ReadError> We believe the data breach is attributed to Russian Cyberhacker ‘Peace.’ This same individual is responsible for other recent criminal attacks such as those on LinkedIn and Tumblr, and has claimed on the paid hacker search engine LeakedSource that the data is from a past breach. This is an ongoing investigation, and we will share more information as it becomes available.
2016-06-15T15:07:37 < ReadError> lol
2016-06-15T15:07:47 < ReadError> thanks fuckers, may2016, tell me now
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2016-06-15T15:07:58 < ReadError> i dont even remember signing up for myspace hm
2016-06-15T15:08:58 < decimad> What's myspace? :)
2016-06-15T15:09:17 < ReadError> I think its like netbsd
2016-06-15T15:09:38 < Laurenceb_> theres some weird jock who is always your friend
2016-06-15T15:09:46 < Laurenceb_> thats all I remeber about myspace
2016-06-15T15:10:02 < Laurenceb_> and MC devvo has a page
2016-06-15T15:16:58 < decimad> If I were to design my first stm32 mcu board, would anybody be so nice to take a look at it, I would really like to avoid burning money (low on it) and fab-time, though I see that it might not be a surprise for a beginner. I'd be using Kicad though, I think.
2016-06-15T15:21:50 < TheSeven> decimad: obey the decoupling cap rules from the datasheet, ensure that Vdda and Vssa are connected to Vdd and Vss, if you don't have a battery, connect Vbat to Vdd (assuming your chip has those pins)
2016-06-15T15:22:23 < zyp> eh, the datasheet isn't really very specific about decoupling cap rules
2016-06-15T15:22:34 < TheSeven> route oscillator pins next to each other, place the xtal as close to the chip as (reasonably) possible
2016-06-15T15:22:49 < TheSeven> zyp: basically "make sure they exist" :P
2016-06-15T15:22:53 < decimad> I will absolutely try to obey the documentations, but I will probably miss mistakes...
2016-06-15T15:23:01 < zyp> TheSeven, yeah
2016-06-15T15:23:14 < zyp> 100nF per supply pin pair is good enough
2016-06-15T15:23:23 < TheSeven> zyp: look at how they placed them on the f4discovery, all 4 right next to each other, far away from the pins
2016-06-15T15:23:30 < zyp> haha
2016-06-15T15:23:53 < TheSeven> so that stuff isn't all that critical
2016-06-15T15:24:02 < zyp> decoupling isn't unique to stm32 either
2016-06-15T15:24:11 < Thorn> iirc there're "getting started" appnotes for some families, they have something resembling a checklist for a board design
2016-06-15T15:24:12 < karlp> there's a nice app note called "getting started with stm32xx hardware development" that has some of this too.
2016-06-15T15:24:27 < zyp> one 100nF next to each supply pin pair is just common sense
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2016-06-15T15:24:48 < ReadError> I just put 100nF on every supply pin close
2016-06-15T15:24:52 < karlp> cargo culters ;)
2016-06-15T15:24:53 < ReadError> seems to have worked fine
2016-06-15T15:24:53 < zyp> yeah
2016-06-15T15:24:58 < decimad> Thanks, I'll take a peek
2016-06-15T15:25:12 < zyp> stm32 is nice in that it doesn't even need a lot of external shit
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2016-06-15T15:25:30 < TheSeven> yup, and I never had any issues, even with my very first attempt
2016-06-15T15:25:36 < zyp> you can literally just decouple it and power it up and it'll work as is
2016-06-15T15:25:51 < zyp> (if HSI is good enough for your application)
2016-06-15T15:26:01 < TheSeven> that said, basically obey general PCB design best practices, especially how to route power/ground
2016-06-15T15:26:08 < ReadError> resonator/xtal so cheap tho
2016-06-15T15:26:32 < Laurenceb_> this looks good https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bio-Dome
2016-06-15T15:26:38 < TheSeven> zyp: heh, I like how I just need USB or a 32kHz xtal on f072 to have an accurate HSI48 ;)
2016-06-15T15:26:47 < zyp> yeah
2016-06-15T15:26:59 < zyp> I'm using HSI48 for the latest boards I've made
2016-06-15T15:27:08 < zyp> on L0
2016-06-15T15:27:15 < zyp> because M0+ > M0
2016-06-15T15:27:16 < TheSeven> didn't even include a normal xtal footprint on my f072 breakout
2016-06-15T15:27:31 < TheSeven> f072 is also M0+ IIRC
2016-06-15T15:27:36 < karlp> nope
2016-06-15T15:27:42 < zyp> no, all F0 is M0
2016-06-15T15:27:44 < karlp> none of f0 is m0+
2016-06-15T15:27:47 < zyp> as far as I know
2016-06-15T15:28:10 < ReadError> is F446 one of the newest F4 silicones ?
2016-06-15T15:28:12 < decimad> I need my own oscillator stuff, since I will let it drive by the TI-Phy
2016-06-15T15:28:21 < ReadError> like, can one assume many bugs are fixed?
2016-06-15T15:28:24 < TheSeven> hmm right, it's M0
2016-06-15T15:28:48 < TheSeven> I could have sworn that I spotted an M0+ somewhere, where I didn't expect it
2016-06-15T15:29:10 < TheSeven> decimad: ethernet?
2016-06-15T15:29:19 < Laurenceb_> ReadError: silicone sealant?
2016-06-15T15:29:29 < ReadError> wat
2016-06-15T15:29:38 < ReadError> silicon sorry
2016-06-15T15:29:40 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-06-15T15:29:47 < decimad> yes. The PTP-enabled phy includes a tunable oscillator circuit, so I can synchronize the whole mcu clock
2016-06-15T15:29:50 < ReadError> st0n3d and morning head ;(
2016-06-15T15:30:04 < Laurenceb_> decimad: nice
2016-06-15T15:30:13 < Laurenceb_> decimad: part number?
2016-06-15T15:30:18 < decimad> let me see
2016-06-15T15:30:31 < Laurenceb_> this would be epic for a phased array
2016-06-15T15:30:33 < karlp> that's a pretty common feature if you start looking for ptp laurence
2016-06-15T15:30:42 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-06-15T15:30:47 < karlp> piles of industrial ethernet shits do this.
2016-06-15T15:31:07 < TheSeven> decimad: for some reason I decided to give the stm32f2 on my board a separate 25MHz xtal, despite the phy producing a 50MHz clock
2016-06-15T15:31:08 < Laurenceb_> lol probably how stuff like Allen telescope array does it then
2016-06-15T15:31:12 < ReadError> does anyone know about the F446?
2016-06-15T15:31:15 < decimad> DP83640 I guess
2016-06-15T15:31:22 < Laurenceb_> ok
2016-06-15T15:31:28 < decimad> there are also gigabit versions, but I don't need that... too expensive
2016-06-15T15:31:31 < TheSeven> might have been that I wanted to be able to shut the phy down but keep the MCU running, without switching oscillators
2016-06-15T15:31:45 < zyp> TheSeven, 50MHz is above HSE input range
2016-06-15T15:32:02 < Laurenceb_> wow that has quite a few features :D
2016-06-15T15:32:16 < TheSeven> I used the LAN8720 back then for cost reasons
2016-06-15T15:32:24 < TheSeven> they're insanely cheap, and can do all the basic stuff
2016-06-15T15:32:34 < decimad> I will use the TI one specifically for the PTP features
2016-06-15T15:33:18 < decimad> I would take the cheapes otherwise :D
2016-06-15T15:35:02 < Laurenceb_> TI price isnt bad
2016-06-15T15:35:18 < Laurenceb_> 10ns is a bit long for phased array use
2016-06-15T15:35:34 < Laurenceb_> I wonder how much of that will be a constant offset
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2016-06-15T15:38:55 < decimad> I will glady report results once I'm there ;)
2016-06-15T15:39:13 < Laurenceb_> 10ns is kind of hard to measure :P
2016-06-15T15:39:45 < decimad> If I'm lucky, I'll have access to fast oscilloscopes...
2016-06-15T15:39:59 < Laurenceb_> ah cool
2016-06-15T15:40:32 < Laurenceb_> pity airspy sdr doesnt have ethernet
2016-06-15T15:40:56 < Laurenceb_> maybe some sort of bridge device could be made with an stm
2016-06-15T15:41:01 < jadew> Laurenceb_, there's a program that allows you to stream
2016-06-15T15:41:32 < jadew> you have the airspy?
2016-06-15T15:41:47 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-06-15T15:41:48 < Steffanx> Yes crt
2016-06-15T15:42:03 < Laurenceb_> jadew: but airspy only has a usb port
2016-06-15T15:42:26 < jadew> ah, you want it in a remote location?
2016-06-15T15:42:31  * TheSeven needs to get some RTL-SDR thing one day, preferably with a frontend that can look at 2.4GHz
2016-06-15T15:42:39 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-06-15T15:43:20 < Laurenceb_> I want to make a phased array to track balloons and stuff using CW
2016-06-15T15:44:19 < decimad> I always wondered how to best implement tunable delay... Thought maybe there are integrated circuits which can switch different-length traces?
2016-06-15T15:45:39 < Laurenceb_> yes, and they are built into stm lol
2016-06-15T15:45:54 < decimad> really?
2016-06-15T15:46:01 < Laurenceb_> yes, for the timers
2016-06-15T15:46:06 < Laurenceb_> even F1 has it
2016-06-15T15:46:19 < jadew> I think he means phase delay, no?
2016-06-15T15:46:32 < Laurenceb_> F3 with the "precision timers" has an array of delay lines
2016-06-15T15:46:59 < decimad> Great that what I come up with as a theory makes sense :D
2016-06-15T15:48:01 < decimad> how many phase antennas can it drive?
2016-06-15T15:48:38 < decimad> I guess it would be overkill to have an mcu per antenna^^
2016-06-15T15:48:51 < zyp> Laurenceb_, huh, I've never seen that
2016-06-15T15:49:18 < Laurenceb_> for the slave mode select on F1 timers
2016-06-15T15:49:27 < Laurenceb_> there are switchable delays
2016-06-15T15:49:35 < Laurenceb_> to avoid race conditions
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2016-06-15T16:42:29 < decimad> 1024 tap delay ic at 10$ ... dafuq?
2016-06-15T16:43:23 < decimad> isn't that a mere shift register plus a few multiplexers?
2016-06-15T16:47:16 < decimad> I had the impression that ic fabrication needs to be precise on the metal layers enough for totally different reasons... but maybe that is not the case
2016-06-15T16:51:34 < Laurenceb__> I think you are confused
2016-06-15T16:51:42 < Laurenceb__> looks like you want a shift reg
2016-06-15T16:51:48 < Laurenceb__> a delay line gives absolute delay
2016-06-15T16:54:32 < decimad> No, what I mean is I want to program the delay with a shift reg, which maps the bits to the binary multiplexers for the respective lines
2016-06-15T16:54:57 < decimad> well, shift reg, then commit, for glitch reasons ;)
2016-06-15T16:55:57 < decimad> That is I would want to, if I were to design a phased array ;)
2016-06-15T16:57:10 < aandrew> decimad: I've dreamed of doing that myself
2016-06-15T16:57:22 < aandrew> with ultrasonics though not RF, just to play around
2016-06-15T16:57:30 < aandrew> see if I can steer a beam around
2016-06-15T16:57:31 < ReadError> http://imgur.com/sCerImh
2016-06-15T16:57:35 < ReadError> how is this even possible
2016-06-15T16:57:41 < ReadError> must need some redic specs
2016-06-15T16:57:48 < ReadError> or blind vias
2016-06-15T16:58:41 < aandrew> ReadError: make your vias a lot smaller and do little dogbones to the BGA balls
2016-06-15T16:59:04 < ReadError> 0.2mm/0.4mm is pretty small
2016-06-15T16:59:41 < decimad> aandrew: I don't really know what I'm talking about, although yes, i'd take ultrasonics too, much more forgiving :)
2016-06-15T17:00:11 < ReadError> do many places even go below 0.2mm/8mil drills ?
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2016-06-15T17:10:55 < jpa-> ReadError: microvias?
2016-06-15T17:12:04 < ReadError> oh this is 0.4mm pitch durh
2016-06-15T17:12:09 < ReadError> 0.8mm should be doable
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2016-06-15T17:15:06 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLNmtUEvI5A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckjP8stlzxI spacex webcasts
2016-06-15T17:19:08 < Thorn> is r2com still at spacex btw?
2016-06-15T17:21:35 < Laurenceb__> lulwtf
2016-06-15T17:21:44 < Laurenceb__> we have someone here working at spacex?
2016-06-15T17:22:16 < Laurenceb__> maybe they will finally grow some brain cells and use microcontrollers rather than linux with real time kernel
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2016-06-15T17:27:56 < Laurenceb__> technical webcast ftw
2016-06-15T17:28:02 < Laurenceb__> no annoying e-celebs
2016-06-15T17:28:39 < danielinux> Laurenceb__: what is the main advantage of MCU approach vs RTLinux in your opinion? (genuinely interested to hear people take on this matter)
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2016-06-15T17:30:14 < karlp> Laurenceb won't really have one.
2016-06-15T17:32:56 < danielinux> the "grow some brain cells" statement makes me think about strong opinions. A valid one would be that the Linux kernel has less and less to do with embedded, and it's a huge project, and E=mc^2 (read: errors = more code squared)
2016-06-15T17:36:49 < Thorn> does linux have realtime i/o?
2016-06-15T17:37:05 < danielinux> Thorn, unofficial patches for it, yes.
2016-06-15T17:38:16 < danielinux> but having RT schedulers is not really an argument. 99% of use cases in real life don't care that much about interrupt latencies after all.
2016-06-15T17:39:43 < decimad> technical stuff usually does though
2016-06-15T17:40:08 < decimad> like anything that has remotely to do with controlling stuff
2016-06-15T17:40:19 < decimad> which I presume is a use case on rockets ;)
2016-06-15T17:43:59 < danielinux> decimad, definitely. So is it for real time? is that the main reason? What about, dunno, safety? Costs (hw, sw maintenance, ...), the linux kernel developers being a bunch of old server-oriented folks ignoring the entire embedded community?
2016-06-15T17:50:48 < Thorn> what kind of bus/network are they using in those things? something CAN based?
2016-06-15T17:52:27 < Shavik> I'm attempting to read some data in from an I2S mic into a buffer via DMA. I'm using the HAL (probably frowned upon). Was seeing at the "lower levels" you can assign the mem0 and mem1 buffers so that it can swap them but with the HAL libs I don't see direct access to those via the DMA init structs. I'm currently using HAL_I2S_Receive_DMA to kick off the circular DMA operation. Scope verifiys that the CK, WS signals are
2016-06-15T17:52:27 < Shavik> generated just fine. 1 Mhz for the CK and 16kHz for the WS. Right on. And I see data transmission from the I2S microphone but I don't think my HAL_I2S_RxCpltCallback gets called.
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2016-06-15T18:16:43 < aandrew> hm, stdperiph usb serial driver doesn't do CDC?
2016-06-15T18:17:09 < jpa-> what does it do?
2016-06-15T18:21:25 < decimad> danielinux: I wasn't complaining about its use. The only thing I know for sure, that for some time the rt patch was not maintained for missing budget. But that has since been solved I think.
2016-06-15T18:22:42 < danielinux> decimad, again, just asking because I believe linux has a short life in the embedded world the way their development is being managed. But then again I might be wrong, so I was curious to hear some other opinions
2016-06-15T18:23:11 < TheSeven> it surely is a mess, but what are the alternatives?
2016-06-15T18:23:53 < decimad> danielinux: It's just that personally I have the "feeling" that linux is cannons to birds... if it is not stripped down to not being linux anymore that is. Then the question is: why linux?
2016-06-15T18:24:04 < decimad> For most controlling applications
2016-06-15T18:24:13 < englishman> lunix in space, recipe for disaster
2016-06-15T18:24:24 < TheSeven> totally depends on the application
2016-06-15T18:24:43 < PaulFertser> danielinux: but there's Xenomai, do you take it into account?
2016-06-15T18:24:44 < decimad> I do know for sure that the hobbyist cnc scene is using realtime linux to drive steppers throug parallel ports... which is not exactly an architecture I like ;)
2016-06-15T18:24:48 < TheSeven> for some applications it takes away a lot of the highlevel effort, you get the whole networking and webserver and whatnot stuff for free
2016-06-15T18:25:20 < decimad> But that is realtime linux on machines which are not designed to work on rt stuff...
2016-06-15T18:25:23 < danielinux> englishman, so your point is.. safety?
2016-06-15T18:25:27 < PaulFertser> TheSeven: and with Xenomai one can combine hard realtime stuff written specifically for the task with everything else you talk about for free.
2016-06-15T18:25:29 < aandrew> jpa-: apparently not CDC, you need a driver loaded to use it
2016-06-15T18:25:56 < englishman> decimad: i got a cnc last year, and i was amazed to find that LunixCNC is the best thing going for hobbyist CNCs, bitbanging out a serialport to control steppers, i was just wow
2016-06-15T18:25:59 < TheSeven> aandrew: CDC does need a pseudo-driver on windows IIRC
2016-06-15T18:26:05 < englishman> *parport
2016-06-15T18:26:12 < TheSeven> which basically just tells windows that "this is CDC"
2016-06-15T18:26:27 < aandrew> TheSeven: oh, no I bet what it is is that the descriptor doesn't have the MS OS descriptor
2016-06-15T18:26:31 < TheSeven> latest windows fetches that automatically if you do the descriptors right
2016-06-15T18:26:36 < decimad> englishman: yea, kinda sucks, doesn't it?
2016-06-15T18:26:38 < TheSeven> but older versions didn't
2016-06-15T18:26:45 < decimad> especially since it's still very jittery
2016-06-15T18:26:52 < TheSeven> I don't think you need that EE descriptor for CDC
2016-06-15T18:27:19 < englishman> maybe so, but its enough to run hobbyist cnc
2016-06-15T18:27:32 < jpa-> aandrew: windows (until win10) needs drivers for cdc
2016-06-15T18:27:50 < jpa-> but i don't know all the details on what one needs to make it work on windows
2016-06-15T18:27:58 < aandrew> jpa-: really? I need to test this, I am sure I didn't need drivers
2016-06-15T18:28:02 < decimad> well, my dad has his problems... also feed forward controlling steppers is loud and error prone
2016-06-15T18:28:17 < TheSeven> IIRC this worked without drivers, but I'm not sure if it was ever tested on windows <10
2016-06-15T18:28:18 < jpa-> englishman: what about machinekit? uses beaglebone's realtime processors for the driving
2016-06-15T18:28:19 < TheSeven> https://github.com/TheSeven/firmware/blob/master/src/target/espflasher/main.cpp
2016-06-15T18:28:52 < jpa-> aandrew: windows update can fetch them automatically if the manufacturer has submitted them (ST has for some usb ids)
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2016-06-15T18:29:16 < TheSeven> I think this descriptor mess is part of why it works: https://github.com/TheSeven/firmware/blob/master/src/target/espflasher/main.cpp#L635
2016-06-15T18:29:25 < decimad> What I'd like where affordable brushless dc (as in PMSM) drives for the hobbyist cnc machines
2016-06-15T18:30:18 < decimad> field controlled, ie. no block commutation
2016-06-15T18:30:41 < jpa-> yeah; vesc looks nice for the purpose but pretty overkill
2016-06-15T18:31:31 < jpa-> field oriented control is pretty easy to code on fast ARM mcus, so maybe one will eventually make such
2016-06-15T18:33:17 < aandrew> jpa-: interesting
2016-06-15T18:33:19 < aandrew> I'll have to dig in a little
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2016-06-15T18:37:33 < Ecco> Guys, I remeber seeing a chart with all STM32 models sorted by price
2016-06-15T18:37:37 < Ecco> Does that ring a bell?
2016-06-15T18:37:44 < Ecco> I thinkg someone from this channel put that up together
2016-06-15T18:38:23 < englishman> jpa-: have you tried it?
2016-06-15T18:38:28 < englishman> youre using lunixcnc on yours right?
2016-06-15T18:38:35 < englishman> heard of this once i think
2016-06-15T18:38:55 < decimad> jpa- that's what I'm ultimately doing, but I need too get the timne
2016-06-15T18:39:08 < decimad> time synch working and a better fitted board
2016-06-15T18:39:45 < decimad> I want the controllers to be time synched so the server only has to supply data in second-timeframe
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2016-06-15T18:42:15 < englishman> guess id have to do some gpio->parport thing? with level shifting
2016-06-15T18:42:48 < englishman> dono i'm pretty comfortable with lunixcnc now, have my little dossier of scripts etc
2016-06-15T18:43:11 < decimad> jpa- but even if that is sorted out, it's really hard to find affordable pmsms outside the rc controlled power region ...
2016-06-15T18:44:12 < decimad> englishman I find the whole standard setup with an rt-driven pc and parallel ports is "fragile". Also steppers are pain in my ears
2016-06-15T18:44:33 < decimad> that is, if you're not doing mario music with them ;)
2016-06-15T18:45:08 < englishman> servo thingies arent $40 tho
2016-06-15T18:45:11 < decimad> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh2AWswAMvw
2016-06-15T18:46:14 < decimad> englishman: I dont understand the last
2016-06-15T18:48:30 < decimad> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAWF-qhh4pQ that's nice too ;)
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2016-06-15T18:55:25 < Laurenceb__> Thorn: on falcon9 everything uses ethernet
2016-06-15T18:56:20 < jpa-> englishman: nah, i'm still with smoothieboard
2016-06-15T18:56:31 < jpa-> sucks, but works so too lazy to switch to machinekit
2016-06-15T18:56:53 < jpa-> Ecco: http://essentialscrap.com/tips/stm32prices/   this?
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2016-06-15T18:58:08 < jpa-> englishman: whether you'd do any parallel port at all depends on what kind of drivers etc. you use; i've considered CRAMPS mostly
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2016-06-15T18:59:54 < Ecco> That is
2016-06-15T18:59:57 < Ecco> thanks jpa-
2016-06-15T19:00:01 < jpa-> np
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2016-06-15T19:12:06 < Tectu> so swissland bough RPi
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2016-06-15T19:15:30 < Laurenceb__> lul
2016-06-15T19:15:33 < Laurenceb__> u fail
2016-06-15T19:15:36 < karlp> no, a swiss distributor bought farnell/element14
2016-06-15T19:16:06 < Laurenceb__> yup they also own the non fail business
2016-06-15T19:24:41 < dongs> sup
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2016-06-15T19:30:04 < Tectu> Hey dongs  d(^.^)b
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2016-06-15T19:32:21 < dongs> bloggin
2016-06-15T19:32:23 < dongs> just woke up
2016-06-15T19:32:26 < dongs> ready to get fucking stoned
2016-06-15T19:32:33 < dongs> did you know?they legalized weed in alaska
2016-06-15T19:32:38 < dongs> theres a bunch of people here trying to grow it
2016-06-15T19:32:42 < dongs> (above arctic circle)
2016-06-15T19:32:46 < dongs> stoners gonna be stoners
2016-06-15T19:33:17 < aandrew> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/RFID-Reader-10777015/
2016-06-15T19:33:22 < aandrew> e-theft, anyone?
2016-06-15T19:33:25 < dongs> saw that one
2016-06-15T19:33:47 < dongs> budget missing an extra 0
2016-06-15T19:33:50 < dongs> to the right
2016-06-15T19:34:11 < aandrew> yep
2016-06-15T19:34:19 < aandrew> so far I have bid over-bduget on almost every one
2016-06-15T19:34:24 < aandrew> I've made like 20 bids so far
2016-06-15T19:34:31 < dongs> did you haer some paki hired me
2016-06-15T19:34:34 < dongs> yesterday
2016-06-15T19:34:35 < dongs> for $200
2016-06-15T19:34:36 < aandrew> oh?
2016-06-15T19:34:42 < aandrew> what're you building for him
2016-06-15T19:34:46 < dongs> to write him a 50-page paper on MID-IR CO2  sensing
2016-06-15T19:34:50 < dongs> i told him to fuck right off
2016-06-15T19:34:54 < dongs> and rejected the proj
2016-06-15T19:35:12 < aandrew> 50 pages of technical shit for $200? yeah, right
2016-06-15T19:35:20 < dongs> it was clearly homework too
2016-06-15T19:35:21 < aandrew> if he acccepts lorem ipsum text that'd be worth it
2016-06-15T19:35:44 < dongs> i googled and all i saw about mid-ir and co2 was fuckign research papers
2016-06-15T19:35:49 < dongs> schools are such fuckign wwaste of time
2016-06-15T19:35:52 < dongs> if techwas useful
2016-06-15T19:35:56 < dongs> it would be used in stuff already
2016-06-15T19:35:59 < dongs> and you can just buy cots stuff
2016-06-15T19:36:02 < aandrew> for these kinds of projects where they say "design me shit for $250" I bid about 5-8k and my proposal says that that budget is great for a final unit price but development is broken down thusly...
2016-06-15T19:36:30 < aandrew> some .ro dude sounds like he's gonna hire me for $500 for USB shit
2016-06-15T19:36:33 < aandrew> just software
2016-06-15T19:39:26 < dongs> which one?
2016-06-15T19:39:30 < dongs> that dual stack usb thing
2016-06-15T19:39:52 < dongs> its a copypaste of stdpheriphlib but he thinks usb-cdc can be done on windows wihtout inf
2016-06-15T19:40:01 < dongs> too bad for him
2016-06-15T19:42:54 < aandrew> it can be
2016-06-15T19:42:56 < aandrew> I've done it
2016-06-15T19:43:06 < aandrew> but now based on what jpa- says I have to make sure
2016-06-15T19:43:17 < aandrew> I'm pretty sure you just use MS OS descriptor and tell it to use winusb.sys
2016-06-15T19:44:36 < dongs> winusb? doesnt do cdc
2016-06-15T19:44:55 < ds2> grove as in BBG stuff?
2016-06-15T19:45:44 < Laurenceb__> lol winusb
2016-06-15T19:45:58 < Laurenceb__> we had some ancient shit using that at work, epic pita to get running
2016-06-15T19:46:02 < ds2> oops
2016-06-15T19:46:20 < Laurenceb__> never again :D
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2016-06-15T19:53:45 < dongs> aandrew: explain me this cdc-winsub thing
2016-06-15T19:53:50 < dongs> i dont see how it can work
2016-06-15T19:53:56 < dongs> you can have descriptors that allow loading winusb driver, but not cdc
2016-06-15T19:53:57 < Laurenceb__> ECG respin ready http://i.imgur.com/NNzuMiW.png
2016-06-15T19:54:11 < dongs> youre still using eagle in 2016?
2016-06-15T19:54:22 < aandrew> dongs: that's what I'm saying, I have to go back over my work. I am sure I had this working butmaybe I'm retarded
2016-06-15T19:54:44 < Laurenceb__> how do you know its eagle?
2016-06-15T19:54:45 < dongs> win10 is pretty fucking awesome
2016-06-15T19:54:50 < dongs> pluggd in a random brother MFC printer/scanner shit
2016-06-15T19:54:57 < dongs> in less than 10 seconds it was fully usable
2016-06-15T19:55:05 < dongs> printer, scanner
2016-06-15T19:55:09 < dongs> no bloatware to install/download/check
2016-06-15T19:55:30 < karlp> same as linux and osx.
2016-06-15T19:55:40 < dongs> hahaha
2016-06-15T19:55:43 < Laurenceb__> countertrolld
2016-06-15T19:55:46 < dongs> lunix can scan????????????????????????????????????????/
2016-06-15T19:55:59 < karlp> plugged a new canon mfc printer/scanner into the wall a couple of weeks ago, used the on screen menu to select the wifi and enter password.
2016-06-15T19:56:02 < dongs> pretty sure youre joking
2016-06-15T19:56:05 < karlp> gnome print dialog fund the new printer
2016-06-15T19:56:17 < karlp> gnome simple-scan thing saw the scanner and it worked just fine
2016-06-15T19:56:35 < dongs> sorry to hear that lol
2016-06-15T19:56:48 < karlp> the scan button on the device didn't do anything in eithe rlinux or osx though
2016-06-15T19:56:56 < karlp> apparently you need to open some windows tool for that to do anything.
2016-06-15T19:57:02 < karlp> but yeah, "just worked" "plug and play"
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2016-06-15T19:57:28 < Laurenceb__> configuring linux for work printer system took forever
2016-06-15T19:57:33 < Laurenceb__> but then so did windoze lol
2016-06-15T19:58:47 < Laurenceb__> anyone here looked at parasitic capacitance specs on analogue muxes?
2016-06-15T19:59:00 < Laurenceb__> I'm trying to understand C_d and C_s
2016-06-15T20:02:11 < aandrew> bought a new epson MFC printer. plugged in the ethernet cable, osx found it and test print was in like a minute like win10
2016-06-15T20:02:34 < dongs> ur a parasite
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2016-06-15T20:02:52 < aandrew> parasites are best
2016-06-15T20:03:02 < aandrew> they do the bare minimum to ensure survival
2016-06-15T20:03:17 < Laurenceb__> kind of like my job
2016-06-15T20:03:46 < Laurenceb__> http://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/ADG719.pdf
2016-06-15T20:04:05 < Laurenceb__> does C_s include the C_d at the other side of the switch
2016-06-15T20:04:09  * Laurenceb__ confuse
2016-06-15T20:04:36 < decimad> Will the agree to not open sourcing stuff? I figure some jobs would really only mean to reconfigure what you already have...
2016-06-15T20:04:48 < decimad> regarding these freelancing stuff
2016-06-15T20:05:00 < Laurenceb__> figure 22 is epic fail as its single pole double throw
2016-06-15T20:07:43 < aandrew> decimad: hm?
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2016-06-15T20:08:48 < dongs> open dem sores
2016-06-15T20:08:57 < dongs> im thikning of throwing my current feelancer shit on shithub
2016-06-15T20:09:07 < dongs> its nothing amaze tho
2016-06-15T20:10:47 < dongs> eh
2016-06-15T20:10:47 < decimad> maybe I should not be open sourcing my template stuff in order to increase employment odds ;)
2016-06-15T20:10:50 < dongs> did eutelsat spacex happen?
2016-06-15T20:11:07 < ka6sox> yes
2016-06-15T20:11:11 < ka6sox> but they didn't stick the landing
2016-06-15T20:11:15 < dongs> did they land it again
2016-06-15T20:11:30 < ka6sox> no
2016-06-15T20:11:35 < ka6sox> well it got there...
2016-06-15T20:11:41 < dongs> cool
2016-06-15T20:11:45 < dongs> watching 240p jewtub
2016-06-15T20:12:10 < dongs> aandrew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygy_Ue1GEkw current progress on freecancer
2016-06-15T20:16:42 < dongs> wow
2016-06-15T20:16:46 < dongs> you can see fucking rings
2016-06-15T20:16:49 < dongs> as it passes supersonic
2016-06-15T20:23:41 < aandrew> dongs: wtf is that
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2016-06-15T20:25:20 < karlp> dongs: pretty cool
2016-06-15T20:25:28 < jpa-> decimad: most templates etc. are not particularly easy to use for anyone but the dude who made them originally; and if they are, then you can make money by just selling the templates
2016-06-15T20:26:24 < decimad> jpa-: I was more concerned that I spread an image of me of to being able to write pragmatic code if it needs to be....
2016-06-15T20:26:44 < decimad> *of being not able to ^^
2016-06-15T20:27:06 < decimad> *of not being able to rate^^
2016-06-15T20:27:25 < decimad> rather... sorry, I'm low on neuronal energy
2016-06-15T20:32:56 < jpa-> http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2016/06/download-720x359.jpeg   hi-tech dildo
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2016-06-15T20:46:18 < dongs> aandrew: should be prety obvious, no
2016-06-15T20:46:34 < Tectu> dongs
2016-06-15T20:46:39 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-06-15T20:47:17 < aandrew> no it's not obvious
2016-06-15T20:47:23 < aandrew> looks kind of cool, but what is it
2016-06-15T20:47:51 < dongs> aandrew: just usb midi thing
2016-06-15T20:47:58 < dongs> keypad w/leds/encoders/pots
2016-06-15T20:48:41 < dongs> hm silicon trolls has a blue gecko thing
2016-06-15T20:48:47 < dongs> must be trrying to compete wiht nordick
2016-06-15T20:48:53 < aandrew> dongs: nice
2016-06-15T20:48:59 < aandrew> like the "bright fade out" effect
2016-06-15T20:49:15 < aandrew> like you shorted it out
2016-06-15T20:49:21 < dongs> yea that was jsut demo of onclick() event or whatever
2016-06-15T20:49:35 < dongs> im not supposed to write anything other than drivers, core shit is up to the trolls who are doing it
2016-06-15T20:50:08 < aandrew> what was the freecancer link for that one?
2016-06-15T20:50:21 < dongs> this is about a month old, something usb midi or other
2016-06-15T20:50:45 < dongs> http://www.tailoredinstruments.co.uk/ < these dudes
2016-06-15T20:50:56 < dongs> looks like a failed dickstarter to me
2016-06-15T20:51:04 < dongs> not even sure why wanyone would wanna make custom hardware like this in 2016
2016-06-15T20:51:08 < dongs> most poeple jsut buy ableton push or whatever
2016-06-15T20:51:15 < dongs> but it looked the least boring
2016-06-15T20:51:17 < dongs> and easy
2016-06-15T20:51:26 < aandrew> your board, or just sw for it
2016-06-15T20:51:38 < dongs> mine
2016-06-15T20:51:46 < dongs> that was $60 in china <3
2016-06-15T20:52:26 < aandrew> can't find the link on freecancer
2016-06-15T20:52:29 < aandrew> hm?
2016-06-15T20:52:36 < aandrew> you bought a readymade board in chinkland for $60?
2016-06-15T20:52:49 < dongs> no, i made it
2016-06-15T20:52:57 < dongs> i mean, the pcb was only $60
2016-06-15T20:53:01 < dongs> for like 300x150 thing
2016-06-15T20:53:08 < aandrew> what was your bid to do schematic/layout and drivers for that?
2016-06-15T20:53:12 < aandrew> oic
2016-06-15T20:53:40 < dongs> 1k gbp
2016-06-15T20:53:46 < aandrew> not bad
2016-06-15T20:53:49 < aandrew> you're a cheap whore
2016-06-15T20:53:54 < aandrew> I'd have bid 2500 at least
2016-06-15T20:54:00 < dongs> its fun
2016-06-15T20:54:06 < aandrew> probably why I haven't got anything yet. :-)
2016-06-15T20:54:19 < aandrew> that does look fun
2016-06-15T20:54:38 < aandrew> what is that, capacitive touch or standard conductive rubber contact?
2016-06-15T20:55:07 < dongs> latter
2016-06-15T20:57:15 < dongs> https://www.wetransfer.com/downloads/6e9ddbe4e0eb3924983cea108205a74120160615175604/8601766559dbc8b82d4d2c79a1e0cffa20160615175604/8e8959
2016-06-15T20:57:22 < dongs> check out thier previous "schematic"
2016-06-15T20:57:22 < dongs> lol
2016-06-15T20:57:36 < dongs> made by pakilancer
2016-06-15T21:00:05 < aandrew> pakilancer hahaha
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2016-06-15T21:01:50 < dongs> that quadcore pic
2016-06-15T21:01:54 < dongs> for key matrix
2016-06-15T21:01:55 < dongs> fucking lol
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2016-06-15T21:08:58 < decimad> how large is your matrix?
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2016-06-15T21:15:45 < decimad> I mean doesn't he cycle rows and columns too? Why then reduce it to 4x4? 8x8 seems easy enough at low rates if you don't want to detect pico-second presses?
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2016-06-15T21:41:34 < decimad> maybe he copied from here? http://embedded-lab.com/blog/lab-18-matrix-keypad-interfacing/
2016-06-15T21:46:24 < decimad> I fail to see, how the "simultanious approach" can locate multiple key presses unambiguously, despite being much faster
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2016-06-15T22:09:09 < dongs> decimad: sry waws out
2016-06-15T22:09:14 < dongs> decimad: 8x4
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2016-06-15T22:10:14 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/ZqQfn
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2016-06-15T22:14:09 < ReadError> are you in nome?
2016-06-15T22:14:15 < ReadError> thats the town in all those gold shows
2016-06-15T22:14:33 < ReadError> looks like a real hellhole on TV tho
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2016-06-15T22:28:46 < Laurenceb__> https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9246409&cid=52323741
2016-06-15T22:28:51 < Laurenceb__>  pol spotted
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2016-06-15T22:36:37 < decimad> anything to say against edge board connectors? I find them sexy somehow
2016-06-15T22:36:46 < dongs> which one?
2016-06-15T22:36:49 < dongs> castellated vias?
2016-06-15T22:36:57 < dongs> or yo umean connectors sitting inline wiht the pcb
2016-06-15T22:37:23 < decimad> i think the latter... where you press on connector onto the pcb itself
2016-06-15T22:37:46 < decimad> well, just like pci f.e.
2016-06-15T22:37:57 < dongs> oh
2016-06-15T22:38:00 < dongs> yeah, those are nice
2016-06-15T22:38:08 < dongs> ive been meaninig to abuse M.2 socket for innovative stuff
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2016-06-15T22:55:19 < mra90> guys software for file comparsion - what could you recommend ?
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2016-06-15T22:55:26 < mra90> Beyound compare ?
2016-06-15T23:00:58 < dongs> i personally use fc.exe /b
2016-06-15T23:04:15 < mra90> ok
2016-06-15T23:04:29 < mra90> looks very minimalist
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2016-06-15T23:06:25 < Laurenceb__> https://i.sli.mg/L2TDRi.jpg
2016-06-15T23:07:17 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/8P2kHZQ.gifv
2016-06-15T23:10:51 < dongs> Laurenceb__: do you ever post anything funny
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2016-06-15T23:41:59 < neuro_sys> I need to generate a 2mhz square wave clock signal on one of the GPIO pins. The only way I can do that is to set up a Timer to generate an interrupt in which to toggle GPIO pin. Is there another way to achieve the same without an interrupt?
2016-06-15T23:42:13 < neuro_sys> so as to generate a square wave pulse signal at a certain frequency?
2016-06-15T23:42:19 < decimad> are there any computational or organizational advantages for little endian memory access btw?
2016-06-15T23:43:00 < decimad> is there no automatic reset and toggle output on the timers?
2016-06-15T23:43:17 < neuro_sys> I'd imagine more beneficial for certain arithmetical operations in cpu pipeline? Like when adding maybe.
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2016-06-15T23:44:42 < neuro_sys> decimad: I don't know if there is. I have yet to read the reference manual completely.
2016-06-15T23:45:55 < decimad> usually such facility is there in these giant timer blocks... I always wish I had a little fpga fabric to simply code the timer I need instead of trying to configure these beasts ;)
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2016-06-15T23:47:21 < neuro_sys> Oh, interesting idea. Are there any chips out there that implement a small sized FPGA inside an MCU for such needs, or would that be feasable?
2016-06-15T23:48:08 < decimad> I dont know if this direction has been done largely, but I do know that there are fpgas containing true microcontrollers, not soft cores
2016-06-15T23:48:17 < neuro_sys> (I'm very much inexperienced in electronics and embedded btw, so might come out stupid questions, but am hungry for information at the moment)
2016-06-15T23:48:49 < decimad> First advice: don't ask me... ask the experienced guys here ;)
2016-06-15T23:49:25 < neuro_sys> they seem too cool for that :)
2016-06-15T23:49:36 < neuro_sys> joke aside, they're being extremely helpful
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2016-06-15T23:53:37 < dongs> neuro_sys: what?? just use any timer with output compare pin
2016-06-15T23:54:33 < neuro_sys> woops, okay!
2016-06-15T23:54:52 < dongs> or depending what your sysclk is, you might be able to use MCO
2016-06-15T23:55:12 < dongs> anyway, timer is super easy to setup
2016-06-15T23:56:26  * neuro_sys swiftly scans the manual and std periphals library
2016-06-15T23:57:09 < dongs> look at TIM_PWMOutput sampe
2016-06-15T23:57:12 < neuro_sys> good, it can toggle.
2016-06-15T23:57:13 < dongs> in stdperiphlib
2016-06-15T23:57:25 < dongs> that is basically what you want
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2016-06-16T00:27:18 < dongs> nise
2016-06-16T00:27:20 < dongs> mouser shipped
2016-06-16T00:33:49 < kakimir> first time mouser?
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2016-06-16T01:20:59 < kakimir> you butt ohsix
2016-06-16T01:32:24 < kakimir> where to look function of obscure chip ids?
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2016-06-16T01:35:59 < kakimir> you know like.. japanise electronics megacorp has butt out like thousands of chips that are not commercially avaiable so that google gives you nothing
2016-06-16T01:36:25 < kakimir> but it's on some device and you need to know function of the chip
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2016-06-16T01:41:57 < Sync> decap and figure out what the gates do
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2016-06-16T03:11:44 < machinehum> Does anyone know what "BRM" and "HRM" mean?
2016-06-16T03:11:57 < machinehum> I'm looking through the datasheet for an I2S dac
2016-06-16T03:12:49 < machinehum> CS4334 if that helps
2016-06-16T03:14:30 < machinehum> Wait got it
2016-06-16T03:14:41 < machinehum> Base-Rate mode and High-Rate mode
2016-06-16T03:25:09 < ReadError> anyone had boards assembled with and without BGA?
2016-06-16T03:25:20 < ReadError> wondering how much extra they charge for assembly
2016-06-16T03:26:32 < ReadError> nah just assembly, not pcb fab
2016-06-16T03:26:49 < machinehum> Sometimes BGA packages have to be xrayed after they're placed
2016-06-16T03:26:58 < ReadError> most places will only give you quotes, i asked the china lady shes checking with her engineers
2016-06-16T03:27:07 < machinehum> For checking solder joints
2016-06-16T03:27:09 < ReadError> but just trying to see whats typical extra price
2016-06-16T03:27:53 < ReadError> well skipping that, since boards are all tested anyways
2016-06-16T03:28:12 < ReadError> pass/fail is fine
2016-06-16T03:30:24 < machinehum> So they're doing electrical testing in house?
2016-06-16T03:30:44 < machinehum> I guess xray comes in to play with OEMs that don't actually power anything up
2016-06-16T03:30:54 < ReadError> flashing/testing is inhouse
2016-06-16T03:30:55 < machinehum> Or when they check the first chip...
2016-06-16T03:31:08 < ReadError> pcb fab and assembly are 2 different places
2016-06-16T03:31:24 < machinehum> It also probably depends of the pitch of pins...
2016-06-16T03:31:49 < machinehum> Well maybe not, they can either place them or they can't
2016-06-16T03:33:02 < ReadError> yea figured that would be more PCB fab side
2016-06-16T03:33:25 < ReadError> seems like its easier to get a BGA mounted vs 100 pin tqfp
2016-06-16T03:33:53 < machinehum> huh
2016-06-16T03:34:00 < machinehum> Would not have guessed
2016-06-16T03:34:11 < machinehum> BGA on BGA is crazy.
2016-06-16T03:34:52 < Laurenceb__> I have a local assembly place I use for crazy money projects
2016-06-16T03:35:00 < Laurenceb__> even they swear at some BGA jobs
2016-06-16T03:35:40 < dongs> sup stoners
2016-06-16T03:35:42 < Laurenceb__> sometimes its necessary to "break" stuff out of the main assembly line and manually retouch BGA or use vapour phase
2016-06-16T03:35:43 < ReadError> ya but why
2016-06-16T03:35:47 < ReadError> the chips are balled
2016-06-16T03:35:58 < ReadError> so they just gotta get it on the pads sorta ?
2016-06-16T03:36:05 < machinehum> heat
2016-06-16T03:36:06 < machinehum> It'
2016-06-16T03:36:07 < ReadError> assuming you dont have some mask issues
2016-06-16T03:36:12 < ReadError> or crazy shit
2016-06-16T03:36:20 < machinehum> s hard for heat to flow under sometimes
2016-06-16T03:36:46 < machinehum> Or the edges will get to hot, BGA heat profiles are nuts
2016-06-16T03:36:50 < Laurenceb__> when I was last there they had some uneven heating issues and had to manually take each panel off the line and place in a small vapour phase machine
2016-06-16T03:37:09 < machinehum> jeez
2016-06-16T03:37:15 < machinehum> ahahhahaha look what I just found
2016-06-16T03:37:22 < Laurenceb__> but it was some mil radio and the whole room had to be cleared bug swept and have mil guys on the doors
2016-06-16T03:37:24 < machinehum> http://www.proto-advantage.com/store/images/PRODUCTS/BGA0002_0.JPG
2016-06-16T03:37:28 < Laurenceb__> epic lulz/fail
2016-06-16T03:37:59 < machinehum> That's so absurd, who would use that
2016-06-16T03:38:38 < Laurenceb__> people testing their soldering line :P
2016-06-16T03:38:43 < Laurenceb__> I've seen those go through
2016-06-16T03:39:35 < machinehum> what
2016-06-16T03:39:42 < machinehum> Well okay that makes sense
2016-06-16T03:40:07 < Laurenceb__> when you have a budget of UKP1M/day it makes sense to make sure your line is working
2016-06-16T03:40:17 < machinehum> Some OG engineer dude boardboarding out some BGA200 package
2016-06-16T03:40:42 < machinehum> Jaded b/c DIP's on it's way out
2016-06-16T03:51:19 < Thorn> is there another breadboard for ddr3
2016-06-16T03:53:28 < englishman> you have to deadbug it on top
2016-06-16T03:53:37 < englishman> with impedance matched wiring
2016-06-16T03:53:49 < machinehum> ddr3 stick of ram, wires soldered on
2016-06-16T03:54:26 < Thorn> they could sell a kit of 2 boards and a spool of teflon wire
2016-06-16T03:58:31 < Laurenceb__> http://www.superconductors.org/158C155C.htm
2016-06-16T03:58:40 < Laurenceb__> its a conspiracy i tell you
2016-06-16T04:01:55 < machinehum> interesting
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2016-06-16T04:13:28 < Laurenceb__> cuckingham palace
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2016-06-16T04:35:18 < aandrew> hahaha
2016-06-16T04:35:22 < aandrew> "I'm not racist, but you look really good today"
2016-06-16T04:35:24 < aandrew> "What? that's not a racist comment!"
2016-06-16T04:35:27 < aandrew> "I know. I just said I wasn't a racist. You blacks never listen!"
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2016-06-16T04:50:27 < emeb_mac> yup - googled that a few days back when you mentioned it.
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2016-06-16T05:25:20 < dongs> fucking chinese garbage
2016-06-16T05:25:39 < dongs> karlp_: how the FUCK do i disable that bullshit chink spyware accelerator
2016-06-16T05:25:49 < dongs> R2COM: too bad im about ot go eat dinner
2016-06-16T05:26:04 < dongs> R2COM: 4 u http://imgur.com/a/ZqQfn
2016-06-16T05:27:14 < dongs> you dont fucking know what gold looks like?
2016-06-16T05:36:07 < ReadError> dongs halp
2016-06-16T05:36:25 < ReadError> whats the standard rape charge for BGA assembly?
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2016-06-16T05:41:15 < dongs> ReadError: 7 isn't better than 3, or even 0
2016-06-16T05:53:37 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Idea-final-product/ paki rates for "idea to final product"
2016-06-16T05:54:25 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Find-Manufacturer-10780279/
2016-06-16T05:54:30 < dongs> what the fuck does this even mean
2016-06-16T05:55:55 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Set-mulitple-software-for-Arduino/ haha
2016-06-16T05:59:36 < ReadError> dongs  7 -> 3 -> 0 ?
2016-06-16T06:03:21 < aandrew> haha yeah I saw that full R&D team for $15/hr
2016-06-16T06:03:47 < aandrew> 40W LTE? wow
2016-06-16T06:03:56 < aandrew> I bid on that arduino one
2016-06-16T06:04:52 < aandrew> USD$250 for bitbanging up to 25 I2C ports, and offered a cape design if he needed more or if he wanted to synchronize the shit
2016-06-16T06:05:07 < aandrew> bit I also asked him wtf he was using that fucking sensor for if he wants what I can only guess as a line sensor
2016-06-16T06:05:52 < aandrew> I just bid on another lol india one
2016-06-16T06:06:04 < aandrew> $28 for measuring a fuel tank
2016-06-16T06:06:24 < aandrew> I bid something like USD$500 and 30 days saying I needed a lot more info if he wanted a more accurate bid
2016-06-16T06:06:32 < aandrew> I get the impression I'm wasting my time on this site
2016-06-16T06:06:34 < aandrew> but we'll see
2016-06-16T06:08:06 < zyp> dongs, talked to the other guy, got the go-ahead
2016-06-16T06:08:08 < aandrew> LOL
2016-06-16T06:08:10 < aandrew> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/design-device/
2016-06-16T06:09:52 < dongs> zyp ,cool
2016-06-16T06:09:56 < dongs> L0 arrived
2016-06-16T06:09:58 < dongs> mouser shipped
2016-06-16T06:10:06 < dongs> illgo ahead and order pcbs then
2016-06-16T06:10:25 < zyp> dongs, sounds good, let me know when I should start paying stuff
2016-06-16T06:10:47 < dongs> zyp, you can pay pcb after it gets arrayed incase price chances
2016-06-16T06:10:49 < dongs> but i dont think it will
2016-06-16T06:10:53 < dongs> ill send it off now
2016-06-16T06:10:58 < zyp> okay
2016-06-16T06:11:37 < zyp> when do you estimate everything is finished and ready to ship?
2016-06-16T06:12:17 < dongs> sometimes after 25th I think. im gonna bring l0 with me and the ST parts
2016-06-16T06:12:33 < dongs> PCBs will take a week anyway from today/tomorrow
2016-06-16T06:12:38 < dongs> after I approve the array
2016-06-16T06:14:54 < zyp> ok, I'm not in a hurry, I won't be home until 3. july anyway
2016-06-16T06:15:11 < zyp> and I don't expect to have them by then either
2016-06-16T06:15:12 < dongs> i would guess it will be done by then
2016-06-16T06:15:18 < zyp> okay
2016-06-16T06:15:48 < dongs> aandrew: https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/PCB-Design-10777782/ did you see this greatness
2016-06-16T06:16:14 < aandrew> yep, bid on that one too
2016-06-16T06:16:18 < dongs> lole
2016-06-16T06:16:25 < dongs> what the fuck does he even mean
2016-06-16T06:16:38 < dongs> haha did you bid $1k per pcb
2016-06-16T06:16:42 < aandrew> "I need considerably more information to be able to provide a proper bid for you; my current bid is based upon deliverying the design files for a low-complexity one- or two-layer circuit board with hermaphroditic connectors on each of its four sides."
2016-06-16T06:17:08 < aandrew> $1500/30d
2016-06-16T06:17:16 < dongs> avg bid is like $4k
2016-06-16T06:17:24 < dongs> oh haha some asshole bid 140k
2016-06-16T06:17:42 < dongs> I think he confused mexican dollars with USD
2016-06-16T06:17:53 < aandrew> was a mexican
2016-06-16T06:17:54 < aandrew> yeah
2016-06-16T06:18:09 < dongs> 140k mxn = 7500$
2016-06-16T06:18:40 < dongs> well its bright outside im gonna take a walk
2016-06-16T06:18:40 < dongs> bbl
2016-06-16T06:21:51 < upgrdman> sfw?
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2016-06-16T07:06:45 < Thorn> ok wtf why take output signals from op amp power pins http://leoniv.livejournal.com/239036.html
2016-06-16T07:07:39 < dongs> you mean pins 6,7?
2016-06-16T07:08:14 < Thorn> 4 and 7
2016-06-16T07:08:22 < dongs> or that
2016-06-16T07:08:39 < Thorn> or rather R34 and R35 which are in series with those
2016-06-16T07:09:05 < Thorn> so basically op amp supply current is converted to output voltages
2016-06-16T07:09:16 < dongs> lol
2016-06-16T07:09:31 < Thorn> he says "many books mention this technique". I've never seen it
2016-06-16T07:12:19 < Thorn> and the output (pin 6) seems to be just for the feedback network
2016-06-16T07:13:10 < dongs> crt, why / ho w does it work
2016-06-16T07:13:41 < Thorn> there're no references
2016-06-16T07:15:47 < Thorn> so basically the reason is to obtain two outputs with different polarity?
2016-06-16T07:17:09 < Thorn> it's for piezo actuators
2016-06-16T07:17:19 < dongs> its using voltage drop due to opamp power consumption to do soemthing
2016-06-16T07:17:22 < dongs> ?
2016-06-16T07:17:34 < Thorn> that pull an optic fiber to change its length
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2016-06-16T07:19:51 < jpa-> funny way to drive a push/pull
2016-06-16T07:20:08 < jpa-> but pretty nice way to make it work for +-350V
2016-06-16T07:22:35 < dongs> is that 3500watts
2016-06-16T07:24:15 < Thorn> specs for board from my link: 600 Vp-p with a slew rate of 1 V/µs into a 10 nF piezo element
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2016-06-16T07:27:04 < Thorn> ohsix: wavelength compensation for an IR imager. the actuators provide tension for an optical fiber
2016-06-16T07:36:00 < dongs> thorn maybe you wanna do this paki research paper for $200
2016-06-16T07:36:06 < dongs> 50 pages
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2016-06-16T07:49:12 < Thorn> will he settle for a video tutorial http://coub.com/view/9eg3o
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2016-06-16T07:57:15 < dongs> get stoned
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2016-06-16T08:20:14 < upgrdman> so when i pass a volatile variable into c lib functions i get a bunch of "passing argument 1 of 'memcpy' discards 'volatile' qualifier from pointer target type" warnings. any way to shut these up?
2016-06-16T08:20:29 < upgrdman> other than not mark volatile stuff as volatile
2016-06-16T08:22:14 < emeb_mac> cast
2016-06-16T08:23:03 < upgrdman> so if its a volatile uint32_t, do (uint32_t) ?
2016-06-16T08:23:41 < emeb_mac> yup
2016-06-16T08:24:28 < upgrdman> hmm that makes sense. cool. thx
2016-06-16T08:24:37 < emeb_mac> exactly - "I meant to do that - shut up!"
2016-06-16T08:25:15 < dongs> im prettty sure youre not passing uint32_t to memcpy
2016-06-16T08:25:28 < emeb_mac> well, void
2016-06-16T08:25:28 < dongs> a uint32_t pointer maybe
2016-06-16T08:25:51 < dongs> also why memcpy when you have DMA
2016-06-16T08:25:54 < dongs> !!11
2016-06-16T08:25:59 < emeb_mac> well then don't use memcpy
2016-06-16T08:27:23 < upgrdman> ya its actually a uint8_t*
2016-06-16T08:27:44 < upgrdman> but ya, for other fuctions that were bitching, it was uint32_t*
2016-06-16T08:29:32 < dongs> do your volatilesneed to be volatile
2016-06-16T08:29:45 < upgrdman> wells theyre written to by ISRs
2016-06-16T08:29:50 < upgrdman> so yes
2016-06-16T08:30:07 < upgrdman> unless i want to risk optimization trying to be too smart for its own good
2016-06-16T08:31:34 < upgrdman> no
2016-06-16T08:33:04 < upgrdman> the memcpy is being done from a high-priority isr
2016-06-16T08:33:04 < upgrdman> higher-priority than the isr that writes to those volatile shitz
2016-06-16T08:33:04 < upgrdman> yay. removed like 30 compiler warnings.
2016-06-16T08:38:29 < dongs> i hate code with warnings
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2016-06-16T08:40:14 < upgrdman> yay i down to 1 warning
2016-06-16T08:40:47 < upgrdman> i flush a rx fifo with a variable that is never read from. how do i make that warning stfu? "
2016-06-16T08:40:50 < upgrdman> unused variable 'dummy' [-Wunused-variable]"
2016-06-16T08:42:28 < upgrdman> hmm. just tried moving the declaration outside the function, and not it doesnt bitch
2016-06-16T08:42:33 < upgrdman> wonder why that "fixed" it
2016-06-16T08:42:41 < upgrdman> maybe it DGAF about globals?
2016-06-16T08:42:51 < upgrdman> s/not/now
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2016-06-16T08:45:16 < upgrdman> nice
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2016-06-16T09:12:57 < dongs> upgrdman: errr,,
2016-06-16T09:13:03 < dongs> you know shit like USART->DR; works right
2016-06-16T09:13:08 < dongs> you dont need a temp var
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2016-06-16T09:17:44 < upgrdman> orly
2016-06-16T09:17:47 < upgrdman> k thx
2016-06-16T09:18:24 < dongs> as long as that thing is volatile yeah (and peripheral regs should be)
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2016-06-16T10:02:53 < ReadError> dab-o-clock
2016-06-16T10:07:56 < ReadError> ih
2016-06-16T10:08:30 < ReadError> its good, got some useful shit finished
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2016-06-16T10:08:40 < ReadError> but need to spend my non stoning time on hardware
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2016-06-16T10:14:13 < ReadError> 4 different things
2016-06-16T10:14:21 < ReadError> well, 5
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2016-06-16T10:22:26 < ReadError> heh so
2016-06-16T10:22:45 < ReadError> $0.095 USD/ piece extra for any BGA placement
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2016-06-16T10:24:08 < ReadError> yes
2016-06-16T10:24:20 < ReadError> i was axing earlier what the price was
2016-06-16T10:24:24 < ReadError> nobody knew
2016-06-16T10:24:42 < ReadError> but 10cents a piece, shiet
2016-06-16T10:24:49 < ReadError> hardly anything
2016-06-16T10:25:06 < ReadError> idk
2016-06-16T10:25:14 < ReadError> she didnt say
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2016-06-16T10:27:32 < dongs> absorb some weed into your brain more like
2016-06-16T10:27:53 < dongs> ask readstoner
2016-06-16T10:28:15 < dongs> weed is legal in alaska
2016-06-16T10:31:01 < dongs> its 11;30
2016-06-16T10:31:09 < dongs> pm
2016-06-16T10:41:40 < ReadError> e-mtb is ready to rip balls
2016-06-16T10:41:46 < ReadError> long as the weather is okay
2016-06-16T11:00:22 < mitrax_> ROTOTILLER
2016-06-16T11:02:05 < mitrax_> crt: hi
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2016-06-16T11:46:30 < PeterM> thats one hell of a weird lookin dog
2016-06-16T11:48:22 < PeterM> ReadError, e-mtb? i thought you made an e-lb?
2016-06-16T11:48:28 < PeterM> hi curt
2016-06-16T11:48:36 < ReadError> PeterM nah got them 8" on it
2016-06-16T11:48:38 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJJivNfC99w
2016-06-16T11:49:18 < PeterM> 8" ey? how fat? needs mroe powah if you can't spin em
2016-06-16T11:49:43 < PeterM> ya, i fuckin love the guy, that is funky as shit and pretty skilfull too
2016-06-16T11:50:19 < PeterM> im a pretty big satch fan too
2016-06-16T11:51:11 < PeterM> i think the satch concert i went to was the only concert where the crown was quiet druign the entire performance except between songs, where they stood, applauded, then sat back down.
2016-06-16T11:51:18 < PeterM> *crowd
2016-06-16T11:51:26 < PeterM> that i have been to
2016-06-16T11:51:43 < ReadError> PeterM https://photos.smugmug.com/Quads/i-XNSzDvQ/0/X3/CA_04261615373269-X3.jpg has 1:6 reduction
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2016-06-16T12:27:05 < mitrax_> aha he got fat
2016-06-16T12:29:47 < mitrax_> good to know he's posting new stuff
2016-06-16T12:32:24 < karlp_> if upgrdman comes back, the canonical way of squelching an unused warning is "(void)your_unused_variable;" --> no gcc __attribute____ shits
2016-06-16T12:33:24 < mitrax_> ohsix: not really, but he made a few nice debunk videos that were relayed/popularized by randi, then he stopped making new ones for a long time
2016-06-16T12:34:15 < mitrax_> most of what he did was 6-8 years ago
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2016-06-16T12:39:35 < karlp_> dongs: no idea on the xiami accelerator thing, I just don't see it much anymore.  there's definitely a few things that don't seem to be easy to turn off or remove though
2016-06-16T12:49:37 < ReadError> that xaomi win10 tablet looks nice
2016-06-16T12:49:40 < ReadError> with the ipad screen
2016-06-16T13:09:28 < ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Original-Xiaomi-MiPad-2-Prime-Mi-Pad-2-All-Metal-Body-7-9-inch-2048X1536-Intel/32566311668.html
2016-06-16T13:10:48 < ReadError> seems pretty legit
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2016-06-16T14:24:35 < decimad> Real world problems start directly with where to get hold of a stm32f769 ;)
2016-06-16T14:25:23 < decimad> even digikey only lists the bga version :(
2016-06-16T14:26:20 < syke> call ur sales
2016-06-16T14:27:33 < decimad> otoh 767 and 769 only differ in that serial display interface... are there any devices for that at all?
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2016-06-16T14:54:08 < decimad> good thing is they're pin-to-pin compatible :)
2016-06-16T14:55:20 < Lux> ReadError: 2gig ram kinda sucks
2016-06-16T14:56:01 < ReadError> yea could be better there but 2gb works, the tablet itself is nice though, good screen
2016-06-16T14:56:50 < Lux> basically the same thing for half the price: http://www.onda-tablet.com/onda-v975w-quad-core-win-8-tablet-9-7-inch-retina-screen-ram-2gb-wifi-32gb.html
2016-06-16T14:57:42 < Lux> older atom though and 32gig instead of 64
2016-06-16T14:57:50 < Lux> but it also has an ipad screen
2016-06-16T14:58:07 < ReadError> yea bigger screen too
2016-06-16T14:58:12 < ReadError> i dont need a tablet though
2016-06-16T14:58:13 < Lux> and it's out of stock :)
2016-06-16T14:58:21 < Lux> i got that one like a year ago
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2016-06-16T15:04:32 < ReadError> looks nice
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2016-06-16T15:06:24 < Lux> that one seems like it'd be worth getting: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Chuwi-10-Tablet-PC-Hi10-Windows-10-Intel-ATOM-X5-Cherry-Trail-Z8300-64bit-4GB-64GB/32537995754.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_0,searchweb201602_3_10037_10017_507_10032_401_10040,searchweb201603_6&btsid=1e132493-2e19-4631-8e3a-c98ff100b355
2016-06-16T15:13:23 < ReadError> thats nice, i have a chuwi one now i use for basic stuff
2016-06-16T15:20:31 < ReadError> oh, I like the full size usb on that
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2016-06-16T17:02:27 < BrainDamage> fuel for laurenceb's obsession ( the article is quite garbage, what kind of self respecting publisher put on this shit ) http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/adva/6/6/10.1063/1.4953807
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2016-06-16T17:05:44  * Laurenceb__ reads
2016-06-16T17:05:55 < Laurenceb__> lul finland
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2016-06-16T17:07:19 < Laurenceb__> seems stupidly speculative
2016-06-16T17:07:27 < BrainDamage> >We acknowledge that our proposal for the paired-photon exhaust is by no means an exclu-sive explanation. At the same time we recognize no observation and no measurement that would disprove it. Expressly, we recall that Lewis’ view of the photon57as the elementary constituent was seen to be in conflict with an atom decay from a given initial state either directly due to the
2016-06-16T17:11:30 < Laurenceb__> lul "prove us wrong"
2016-06-16T17:12:23 < Laurenceb__> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39772.msg1549999#msg1549999
2016-06-16T17:12:28 < Laurenceb__> stolen images
2016-06-16T17:13:51 < Laurenceb__> https://i.imgflip.com/15xoo2.jpg
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2016-06-16T19:05:44 < Yoduza> what is the best price of transistor npn/>200V/>5A/50MHz ?
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2016-06-16T19:16:03  * Fleck points Yoduza at google :D
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2016-06-16T19:28:52 < Yoduza> IRFP260 ? hey google ?
2016-06-16T19:29:29 < Yoduza> google ?
2016-06-16T19:29:48 < Yoduza> Fleck, fuck your dick with google
2016-06-16T19:34:02 < Fleck> Yoduza: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=IRFP260
2016-06-16T19:34:19 < Fleck> n00b...
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2016-06-16T19:37:15 < Yoduza> ...you
2016-06-16T19:37:38 < Fleck> ... said Fleck
2016-06-16T19:38:01 < Tectu> What the hell is happening here? Be nice folks.
2016-06-16T19:38:25 < Fleck> Tectu: I did not say a single bad word...
2016-06-16T19:38:47 < Tectu> I agree
2016-06-16T19:38:56 < englishman> Yoduza: are you the tesla coil guy?
2016-06-16T19:39:02 < Tectu> englishman, context?
2016-06-16T19:39:08 < Tectu> also, hi englishman o/
2016-06-16T19:39:17 < englishman> soup swissbro \o
2016-06-16T19:39:26 < Tectu> englishman, I got a new escort girl
2016-06-16T19:39:33 < Tectu> "Daniela"
2016-06-16T19:39:40 < englishman> where'd you bury the old one?
2016-06-16T19:40:25 < Tectu> no burial, dissolving
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2016-06-16T19:47:22 < Yoduza> :o
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2016-06-16T20:01:01 < decimad> I can imagine how the floorplan planner sits there and starts a randomizing tool as a last step ;)
2016-06-16T20:01:55 < Steffanx> englishman:  Yoduza is the buttcoin miner on stm32 iirc
2016-06-16T20:02:34 < englishman> ah
2016-06-16T20:02:39 < englishman> who was the free energy tesla coil guy
2016-06-16T20:02:44 < englishman> also asking about igbts or whatever
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2016-06-16T20:02:50 < Steffanx> must be Laurenceb__
2016-06-16T20:03:26 < Laurenceb__> water powered car bro
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2016-06-16T20:07:53 < Laurenceb__> too busy shooting mps to work on my emdrive atm :-/
2016-06-16T20:08:09 < Laurenceb__> and as for my water powered car :(
2016-06-16T20:09:58 < Tectu> Laurenceb__
2016-06-16T20:12:12 < BrainDamage> does it have a giant 1ML tank suspended over the frame?
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2016-06-16T20:13:43 < Laurenceb__> no but my emdrive has huge helicopter rotorz suspended over rotary test track
2016-06-16T20:13:55 < Laurenceb__> just like the "real" one :P
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2016-06-16T20:24:06 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-06-16T20:24:44 < Tectu> gtfo man
2016-06-16T20:27:31 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/10787778.html chance, crt
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2016-06-16T20:30:22 < dongs> demonsstrate those jtag skills bros
2016-06-16T20:30:30 < dongs> I wonder if he wants tsop skills too
2016-06-16T20:31:21 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/write-python-code-send-video/ haha
2016-06-16T20:31:52 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/SMART-CARD-DATA-LOGGER/
2016-06-16T20:31:55 < dongs> nope
2016-06-16T20:37:04 < Tectu> stop bloggin
2016-06-16T20:37:28 < dongs> tectu youre just angry nobody on freecancer is licensing ugfx
2016-06-16T20:37:38 < dongs> bbl
2016-06-16T20:37:39 < Tectu> lol :p
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2016-06-16T20:45:34 < Laurenceb__> smart card data logger might actually be useful
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2016-06-16T20:49:45 < BrainDamage> blogger*
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2016-06-16T21:43:42 < Tectu> how is braindamage doing these days?
2016-06-16T21:44:10 < Laurenceb__> how do I make gcc tell me what version it is?
2016-06-16T21:44:35 < Laurenceb__> oh -v, ignore me :P
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2016-06-16T21:46:29 < Steffanx> lol
2016-06-16T21:47:14 < Steffanx> or --version Laurenceb__ such hard.
2016-06-16T21:47:53 < Laurenceb__> now like all my scrollback is full of junk
2016-06-16T21:48:38 < Laurenceb__> needs a "just give me the number" argument
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2016-06-16T21:58:39 < Laurenceb__> wow I hate outlook
2016-06-16T21:59:09 < Laurenceb__> messages with CC to "EZ-Fac-67"
2016-06-16T21:59:10 < Sync> rightly so
2016-06-16T21:59:39 < Laurenceb__> can't find out what how to reach that address from outside the company
2016-06-16T22:00:01 < XTL> What sane person wouldn't
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2016-06-16T22:05:17 < Laurenceb__> would help if I knew how email worked lol
2016-06-16T22:07:18 < Laurenceb__>  "we just type that in our our system, works for us"
2016-06-16T22:09:09 < Laurenceb__> lul no wonder this system is obfuscated, it allows automated electronic transfers to anywhere using SWIFT
2016-06-16T22:12:44 < Laurenceb__> inb4 best korea
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2016-06-16T22:46:08 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-06-16T22:48:33 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/FwzIoeC
2016-06-16T22:50:48 < dongs> notfunnylaurenceb.jpg
2016-06-16T22:53:46 < Laurenceb__> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRLvYeaUYAEtT9T.png
2016-06-16T22:54:12 < dongs> idont get it
2016-06-16T22:54:44 < jpa-> Laurenceb is just trying to fill her quota of useless links
2016-06-16T22:55:07 < dongs> srsly
2016-06-16T22:55:16 < dongs> has there been any stm32 related blogging from there
2016-06-16T22:55:31 < dongs> time to paste freecancer links
2016-06-16T22:56:24 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/programming/Connect-APS-camera-sensor-Raspberry/
2016-06-16T22:56:27 < dongs> haha
2016-06-16T22:56:44 < Steffanx> lol "has there been any stm32 related blogging from there".
2016-06-16T22:58:13 < Steffanx> it must be serious when dongs starts to complain about that.
2016-06-16T22:59:05 < dongs> naw
2016-06-16T22:59:12 < dongs> i was just talkin about trollenceb
2016-06-16T22:59:22 < dongs> lack of quality stm32, lots of unfunny shit
2016-06-16T22:59:27 < Steffanx> oh.
2016-06-16T23:02:46 < Lux> looks like a pretty much impossible project to me
2016-06-16T23:02:57 < dongs> lux, which one?
2016-06-16T23:02:59 < dongs> aps-c?
2016-06-16T23:03:01 < Lux> except that guy'll buy 50k units and get broadcom to do it
2016-06-16T23:03:06 < Lux> yeah
2016-06-16T23:03:17 < dongs> there are 4 mipi-csi lanes
2016-06-16T23:03:21 < dongs> on rageberry
2016-06-16T23:03:23 < dongs> at least on CM
2016-06-16T23:03:30 < dongs> i think regular rageberry has only 2
2016-06-16T23:03:32 < Lux> and you won't get any documentation on it
2016-06-16T23:03:32 < dongs> because dumb
2016-06-16T23:04:32 < Lux> that too
2016-06-16T23:04:57 < Lux> but in general camera ip in socs is pretty much aids imho
2016-06-16T23:05:00 < Laurenceb__> attn dongs http://imgur.com/EouWM4U
2016-06-16T23:05:09 < dongs> that link is so bad
2016-06-16T23:05:10 < dongs> i cant evne click it
2016-06-16T23:05:14 < dongs> for some reason it doesnt highlight
2016-06-16T23:05:26 < dongs> fuck dude
2016-06-16T23:05:28 < dongs> that is ancient
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2016-06-16T23:16:10 < Steffanx> You're losing?
2016-06-16T23:16:34 < Steffanx> What's it? Line count?
2016-06-16T23:19:45 < dongs> autism?
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2016-06-17T00:17:21 < Laurenceb__> https://i.sli.mg/tKPTnv.png
2016-06-17T00:20:32 < dongs> dudde you should REALLY stay off /pol/
2016-06-17T00:20:39 < dongs> its ruining your funniness
2016-06-17T00:21:28 < dongs> actually ok that was funny
2016-06-17T00:25:13 < englishman> lol
2016-06-17T00:26:42 < aandrew> http://www.freelancer.com/projects/project-10275945
2016-06-17T00:26:42 < aandrew> attn dongs
2016-06-17T00:27:03 < englishman> 404
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2016-06-17T00:44:25 < jadew> I went to the kitchen looking for something sweet and found my son's icecream in the fridge, figured he forgot about it cuz it's been there for at least a week
2016-06-17T00:44:38 < jadew> when I pulled it out of the wrapping, this is what it looked like: http://dumb.ro/files/20160617_003750.jpg
2016-06-17T00:45:22 < jadew> who the hell makes icecream for kids that looks like penises?
2016-06-17T00:45:52 < jadew> it has a strawberry on top
2016-06-17T00:46:30 < jadew> not like this one...
2016-06-17T00:47:37 < jadew> still, silly idea to put a strawberry on top of a rod-like icecream
2016-06-17T00:48:57 < jadew> I didn't freak out, I found it hilareous, woke up my wife to ask her if she wants in on the action
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2016-06-17T00:51:20 < jadew> anyway, going to find a different icecream, this one sucked
2016-06-17T00:51:51 < jadew> hehe
2016-06-17T00:55:46 < Thorn> why did that peniscream load from right to left, is the image actually horizontal but contains some kind of 'rotate me' metadata?
2016-06-17T00:56:02 < jadew> Thorn, possible
2016-06-17T00:56:06 < jadew> took it with my phone
2016-06-17T00:56:21 < Thorn> also same PSU as mine. not dead yet?
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2016-06-17T00:56:52 < jadew> it actually holds its own pretty well
2016-06-17T00:56:58 < jadew> it's a decent supply
2016-06-17T00:57:16 < jadew> has some high frequency spikes on the output
2016-06-17T00:57:27 < jadew> but other than that, fairly ok
2016-06-17T00:58:58 < Thorn> nice
2016-06-17T01:03:35 < dongs> aandrew: shit that was gone quick
2016-06-17T01:03:38 < dongs> what was it
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2016-06-17T01:05:27 < aandrew> ? it's 404?
2016-06-17T01:05:32 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-17T01:05:46 < dongs> was it asking to buy skrill credits or someshit
2016-06-17T01:05:50 < dongs> usually those get deleted quick
2016-06-17T01:05:56 < dongs> 'i need $50 on skrill asap, plz halp'
2016-06-17T01:06:02 < dongs> 'ill pay you 200 here'
2016-06-17T01:06:12 < jadew> what's skrill?
2016-06-17T01:06:13 < dongs> or if it has email address in the project body
2016-06-17T01:06:19 < dongs> jadew: some other freecancer-like thing
2016-06-17T01:06:29 < jadew> ah
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2016-06-17T01:06:46 < dongs> err, or not, looks like some money laundering thing
2016-06-17T01:06:58 < dongs> Skrill (formerly Moneybookers) is an e-commerce business that allows payments and money transfers to be made through the Internet, with a focus on low-cost ...
2016-06-17T01:07:46 < aandrew> dongs: http://imgur.com/Qfak9bn
2016-06-17T01:08:09 < aandrew> gbp 50k
2016-06-17T01:08:11 < dongs> haha
2016-06-17T01:09:05 < dongs> almost as good as https://i.sli.mg/tKPTnv.png
2016-06-17T01:09:36 < aandrew> yeah I saw that, lel'd
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2016-06-17T01:47:44 < Laurenceb__> haha wut skynet tiem
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2016-06-17T02:03:06 < emeb> reading old Byte again?
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2016-06-17T02:12:03 < Laurenceb__> still more sane than most modern programming fads
2016-06-17T02:23:57 < karlp_> don't suppose anyone knows a better source for these? http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/cherry-mx-keycap-stabilizer-insert-2pcs.html
2016-06-17T02:24:22 < karlp_> they're too hard to rmeove from my old keys without breaking/bending them, but shipping from wasd is outrageous
2016-06-17T02:28:37 < zyp> try ebay
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2016-06-17T02:37:36 < karlp_> zyp: yeah, had already tried ebay, found this place via some forum, much cheaper: http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_30076.html
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2016-06-17T02:49:09 < Sync> karlp_: I can get 100s of those basically
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2016-06-17T03:21:28 < Rob235> damnit where are my cx-30w's
2016-06-17T03:21:33 < Rob235> it's been like 4 weeks
2016-06-17T03:22:26 < Rob235> oh really? I feel better then
2016-06-17T03:22:46 < Rob235> I can't even email them until I think july 2nd
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2016-06-17T03:23:22 < Rob235> I wonder if they overestimated how many orange they had
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2016-06-17T03:25:19 < Rob235> so just send me 5 yellow! :(
2016-06-17T03:25:52 < Rob235> why would yellow even be more expensive
2016-06-17T03:25:59 < Rob235> orange is a better color anyway
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2016-06-17T03:40:29 < kakimir> youtube algoritm is the bomb
2016-06-17T03:40:53 < kakimir> for the front page
2016-06-17T03:43:51 < kakimir> it has usually the song I think about
2016-06-17T03:43:55 < kakimir> like.. first
2016-06-17T03:44:01 < kakimir> there it is
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2016-06-17T03:44:41 < timemob> sup dongs
2016-06-17T03:44:41 < kakimir> psuedorandom magic
2016-06-17T03:45:04 < kakimir> sup
2016-06-17T03:46:50 < kakimir> usually ircs
2016-06-17T03:46:52 < timemob> autistic fucks
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2016-06-17T03:47:18 < kakimir> at least not aids
2016-06-17T03:47:37 < kakimir> ?
2016-06-17T03:48:32 < kakimir> og
2016-06-17T03:48:36 < kakimir> oh
2016-06-17T03:49:17 < kakimir> yeah right
2016-06-17T03:51:29 < kakimir> you mean offtopic?
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2016-06-17T04:19:46 < englishman> ST7 is where its at
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2016-06-17T04:41:27 < decimad> even a cheap m0 can simulate its dynamics
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2016-06-17T06:03:32 < dongs> get stoned
2016-06-17T06:07:27 < dongs> i got a grip of hydrocodone
2016-06-17T06:11:53 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/588/AS5134_Datasheet_EN_v4-272805.pdf
2016-06-17T06:11:58 < ReadError> neat
2016-06-17T06:12:34 < dongs> wat
2016-06-17T06:26:42 < emeb_mac> and aspirin puts you in the a-hole
2016-06-17T06:28:59 < englishman> living in phoenix puts you right in the p-hole
2016-06-17T06:29:39 < ReadError> put the bong in ur bhole
2016-06-17T06:43:33 < dongs> cloners dont have a lot of imagination
2016-06-17T06:45:22 < ReadError> dongs blowin that alaskan loud
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2016-06-17T06:52:35 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Design-wireless-WiFi-card-form/
2016-06-17T06:52:37 < dongs> wat a joke
2016-06-17T06:53:50 < ReadError> boundary scan is possible on all stm32?
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2016-06-17T06:54:36 < ReadError> is there an equiv ?
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2016-06-17T06:54:53 < ReadError> or just some custom firmware/script to bang each GPIO ?
2016-06-17T06:55:01 < ReadError> yea
2016-06-17T06:55:07 < ReadError> thats what i was thinking too...
2016-06-17T06:55:10 < dongs> autistics chats in progress
2016-06-17T06:55:19 < dongs> -s
2016-06-17T06:55:26 < dongs> the jtag expert is in the hosue
2016-06-17T06:55:49 < ReadError> dongs do u have a better idea ?
2016-06-17T06:55:54 < dongs> for what
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2016-06-17T06:56:04 < ReadError> something similar to jtag boundary scan
2016-06-17T06:56:07 < ReadError> over swd
2016-06-17T06:56:21 < dongs> > FOR WHAT <
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2016-06-17T06:56:29 < ReadError> testing
2016-06-17T06:56:37 < ReadError> connectivity
2016-06-17T06:57:07 < dongs> add testing in firwmare.
2016-06-17T06:57:09 < dongs> oh right
2016-06-17T06:57:11 < dongs> its cloned
2016-06-17T06:57:16 < dongs> not gonna work
2016-06-17T06:57:32 < ReadError> how can you test that a pad on the MCU is connected to a particular pad?
2016-06-17T06:57:41 < ReadError> I know you can obv
2016-06-17T06:58:16 < ReadError> guess you could just have some firmware to toggle all the gpio on/off and test that way
2016-06-17T06:59:47 < dongs> by not making shitty cloned trash, you avoid having hte need to test
2016-06-17T06:59:53 < dongs> ^_^
2016-06-17T07:00:17 < dongs> whats this
2016-06-17T07:00:28 < ReadError> dongs i want to use BGA
2016-06-17T07:00:43 < dongs> BGA what you dumbfuck
2016-06-17T07:00:50 < ReadError> not sure yet
2016-06-17T07:00:55 < dongs> .. right
2016-06-17T07:01:02 < dongs> i suggest you use tsop instead
2016-06-17T07:01:04 < ReadError> but it keeps options open
2016-06-17T07:01:13 < dongs> keeps autism level high
2016-06-17T07:01:58 < ReadError> BGA is cute though
2016-06-17T07:02:04 < ReadError> so many pins in such a tiny area
2016-06-17T07:02:14 < dongs> what the actual fuck
2016-06-17T07:02:30 < dongs> you're pretty close to joining ohsix as the only 2 people on my ignore list
2016-06-17T07:02:30 < ReadError> ohsix cant fabricate wafer scale
2016-06-17T07:02:43 < ReadError> pretty sure pcbs would be $$$$$$$$$
2016-06-17T07:04:21 < ReadError> I tried with 0.2mm/0.4mm vias and 3mil traces, wasnt possible
2016-06-17T07:05:29 < ReadError> no i just put that in altium and it didnt work
2016-06-17T07:05:46 < ReadError> specs lower than that need a special quote so probably $$$
2016-06-17T07:06:13 < dongs> this conversation belongs in ##electronics
2016-06-17T07:06:17 < dongs> you should move there
2016-06-17T07:07:09 < ReadError> dongs aint like theres any quality blogs going on anyways
2016-06-17T07:07:11 < ReadError> whats the prob
2016-06-17T07:07:17 < ReadError> smoke some more weed and calm the fuck down
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2016-06-17T07:09:33 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/sCerImh.png thats what happened
2016-06-17T07:11:29 < ReadError> thats with 3mil spacing and the min 'normal' via 0.2mm/0.4mm
2016-06-17T07:12:01 < ReadError> er, 3mil traces and 4mil spacing
2016-06-17T07:12:09 < ReadError> its gotta be possible
2016-06-17T07:12:19 < ReadError> sure people use blind vias and stuff
2016-06-17T07:12:38 < ReadError> 0.8mm pitch is fine though
2016-06-17T07:12:42 < ReadError> that one there is 0.4mm
2016-06-17T07:16:31 < ds2> VIP really helps
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2016-06-17T07:31:14 < englishman> just refer to louis rossman youtube channel
2016-06-17T07:31:38 < ReadError> he has some cool vids
2016-06-17T07:31:47 < ReadError> never knew people actually cared to fix that shit
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2016-06-17T07:48:16 < dongs> sup pros
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2016-06-17T07:50:06 < dongs> alive
2016-06-17T07:50:47 < dongs> nope
2016-06-17T07:50:59 < dongs> just watching readstoner flail with failure
2016-06-17T07:51:45 < dongs> and eating icecream
2016-06-17T07:52:08 < dongs> that one sux
2016-06-17T07:52:19 < dongs> i like spumoni but i think they stopped making that shit
2016-06-17T07:52:24 < dongs> or i ahvent checked the store that used to have it
2016-06-17T07:52:52 < dongs> its like neapolitan? or whaever but wiht some more trash inside
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2016-06-17T07:53:44 < dongs> yes
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2016-06-17T07:56:50 < dongs> fuck altium
2016-06-17T07:56:53 < dongs> such non pro soft
2016-06-17T07:56:58 < dongs> set center reference
2016-06-17T07:56:59 < dongs> by mistake
2016-06-17T07:57:00 < dongs> ctrl+z
2016-06-17T07:57:06 < dongs> undoes PREVIOUS action
2016-06-17T07:57:10 < dongs> fuck you
2016-06-17T07:57:30 < ReadError> or if you change units and grids, everything gets completely fucked thats fun
2016-06-17T07:58:38 < dongs> you mean other thatn cuckdence?
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2016-06-17T07:59:00 < dongs> no serious compettition, so price gos to $200k/seat
2016-06-17T07:59:09 < dongs> not capitalism
2016-06-17T08:00:09 < dongs> doesnt cadence also make orcad
2016-06-17T08:02:05 < dongs> use some GNU/FOSS IC layout tool
2016-06-17T08:02:13 < dongs> then youcan fix bugs instead of bitchignabout htem
2016-06-17T08:05:09 < dongs> ah
2016-06-17T08:05:41 < dongs> can you layout an improved stm32 clone
2016-06-17T08:06:47 < dongs> cant you just download it chinastyle
2016-06-17T08:07:40 < dongs> cool
2016-06-17T08:08:29 < dongs> arm shit is pre-made tho right>
2016-06-17T08:08:33 < dongs> like layout and shit>
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2016-06-17T08:09:05 < dongs> i thought arm layout is fixed
2016-06-17T08:09:11 < dongs> if you buy core license
2016-06-17T08:09:17 < dongs> and if you buy IP license you can make your own
2016-06-17T08:09:19 < dongs> like apple shit
2016-06-17T08:09:28 < dongs> or the othe way arund, but tehres like 2 differnt ways you can license
2016-06-17T08:10:09 < dongs> the non-apple license way shuld give you something laid out by pros in UK
2016-06-17T08:10:14 < dongs> hand-routed wiht love
2016-06-17T08:10:52 < dongs> impossible for CPU core?
2016-06-17T08:11:15 < dongs> any real benefit if youspend time?
2016-06-17T08:12:50 < dongs> whats the benefit if you do it
2016-06-17T08:13:02 < dongs> does it become faster/lower power/smaller/??
2016-06-17T08:14:09 < dongs> so chinese SoCs are all copypastd autorouted shits/
2016-06-17T08:14:46 < dongs> why spend when you can make and sell
2016-06-17T08:15:29 < dongs> so tehy hand route one cell' then copypaste it * 10000?
2016-06-17T08:20:18 < dongs> sounds complicated and nice wwaste of money if you fuck up
2016-06-17T08:20:34 < dongs> actually im curious how DO you fuck up?
2016-06-17T08:20:38 < dongs> like if DRC exists
2016-06-17T08:20:40 < dongs> and passes etc
2016-06-17T08:20:43 < dongs> what could be wrong?
2016-06-17T08:21:04 < dongs> like can you have a design that 10)% passes all checks but fails
2016-06-17T08:21:16 < dongs> like in altidong if your pcb has no drc then its guaranteed to work
2016-06-17T08:21:32 < dongs> unless you forget to connect pins and shit like that
2016-06-17T08:22:04 < dongs> like what can fuck up
2016-06-17T08:22:57 < dongs> but thats covered by drc, no?
2016-06-17T08:23:11 < dongs> like " transistor to transistor spacing"
2016-06-17T08:23:12 < dongs> or someshit
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2016-06-17T08:39:07 < dongs> too stoned
2016-06-17T08:40:59 < ReadError>  dongs hit up the weed store?
2016-06-17T08:48:37 < dongs>  < peepsalot> i want to make a little device just for fun, that could simulate a tap on a capacitive touch screen.  i want it
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2016-06-17T08:48:40 < dongs>                    to be solid state, no moving parts.  so i'm thinking something like a conductive rubber dot you could place,
2016-06-17T08:48:43 < dongs>                    which hopefully on its own would not trigger the cap touch
2016-06-17T08:48:46 < dongs> ^ #stonertronics
2016-06-17T08:54:47 < emeb_mac> be a maker and 3D print it!
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2016-06-17T09:05:06 < dongs> heh
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2016-06-17T09:07:07 < ds2> what kind of steel?
2016-06-17T09:07:16 < ds2> simple 1000 series?
2016-06-17T09:08:13 < emeb_mac> hah
2016-06-17T09:08:44 < ds2> there are 2 things you need to know - type of steel and type of heat treat
2016-06-17T09:10:45 < dongs> ohsix doesnt need to know anything
2016-06-17T09:10:50 < dongs> he already knows everything
2016-06-17T09:10:53 < dongs> he jsut cant apply it to anything useful
2016-06-17T09:10:57 < dongs> other than burning watts on irc
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2016-06-17T09:24:41 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/7rciohp.png
2016-06-17T09:24:45 < ReadError> yaaaay
2016-06-17T09:25:03 < ReadError> thing was beeping like a speaker
2016-06-17T09:25:47 < dongs> lol seagate
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2016-06-17T09:39:18 < ReadError> exactly, seagate
2016-06-17T09:39:40 < ReadError> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Western-Digital-RE4-GP-WD2003FYPS-2TB-64MB-Cache-SATA-3-0Gb-s-3-5-Internal-Hard/301380770202
2016-06-17T09:39:41 < ReadError> or
2016-06-17T09:39:42 < ReadError> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hitachi-Ultrastar-A7K2000-HUA722020ALA331-2TB-32MB-cache-Internal-Hard-Drive/252316261804
2016-06-17T09:40:01 < ReadError> well it was acting fucky a bit back so everything was moved off anyways
2016-06-17T09:40:09 < ReadError> i just never unplugged/unmounted it
2016-06-17T09:40:34 < ReadError> the RE drives have been nice and fast
2016-06-17T09:40:38 < dongs> shittachi
2016-06-17T09:40:40 < dongs> or toshiba
2016-06-17T09:40:44 < dongs> fuck WD
2016-06-17T09:41:15 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/chinese-scam/121609843023
2016-06-17T09:41:15 < ReadError> shit benchmarked at 180MB/s reads which aint too bad
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2016-06-17T09:55:54 < ReadError> got 10 of the ultra
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2016-06-17T10:08:50 < ReadError> lul
2016-06-17T10:09:12 < ReadError> going to run the hacked synology shit on an atom
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2016-06-17T10:16:55 < dongs> you must like aids
2016-06-17T10:17:18 < dongs> i cannot understand why anythign above hobby grade 2-drive in lunix raid md0 use anything other thana hardware raid card
2016-06-17T10:17:25 < ReadError> wonder what i could squeak out over iSCSI with 4x gigE and 10 drives
2016-06-17T10:17:36 < dongs> lmao, like 50meg/sec
2016-06-17T10:17:40 < dongs> max
2016-06-17T10:17:40 < ReadError> dongs idk, lately software raid has proven pretty reliable
2016-06-17T10:17:45 < dongs> because lunix + garbage
2016-06-17T10:17:49 < ReadError> look at ZFS and shit
2016-06-17T10:17:55 < dongs> z..what
2016-06-17T10:18:03 < dongs> i use solutions that work
2016-06-17T10:18:07 < dongs> so I use hardware raid and NTFS
2016-06-17T10:18:08 < ReadError> well... filesystem
2016-06-17T10:18:10 < dongs> yet to fail me
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2016-06-17T10:19:23 < ReadError> well benefit to that is cache + BBU
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2016-06-17T10:28:37 < zyp> hardware raid is a waste of money
2016-06-17T10:28:45 < dongs> says a filthy lunix troll
2016-06-17T10:28:48 < zyp> :)
2016-06-17T10:28:50 < dongs> hardware raid is amazing
2016-06-17T10:28:54 < dongs> zyp, pcbs ordered
2016-06-17T10:28:57 < zyp> nice
2016-06-17T10:29:03 < dongs> it was 88 for FR4 but i jewed htem down for 100 @ same price
2016-06-17T10:29:13 < dongs> 88 panels
2016-06-17T10:29:19 < zyp> cool
2016-06-17T10:29:45 < zyp> so, uh, what's the benefit of hardware raid?
2016-06-17T10:29:53 < dongs> 1) no lunix
2016-06-17T10:29:56 < dongs> 2) any OS
2016-06-17T10:30:03 < dongs> 3) check/recovery/etc os independnt
2016-06-17T10:30:10 < dongs> 4) out of band management
2016-06-17T10:30:15 < dongs> like, i could just go on adn on
2016-06-17T10:30:16 < ReadError> yea but if the raid controller itself dies
2016-06-17T10:30:24 < ReadError> you up shit creak if you cant find another
2016-06-17T10:30:26 < dongs> i can telnet into my hardware raid if my server has completely shitted itself
2016-06-17T10:30:27 < zyp> yeah
2016-06-17T10:30:34 < dongs> ReadError: ...
2016-06-17T10:30:48 < ReadError> try changing brands of controllers
2016-06-17T10:30:51 < dongs> incase you havent noticed, any raid since like 5-10 years ago is compatible with each other, at least in readonly mode
2016-06-17T10:30:54 < dongs> it works
2016-06-17T10:31:03 < ReadError> its not 100% reliable
2016-06-17T10:31:04 < dongs> also, i dont use garbage raid that goes out of production in a year
2016-06-17T10:31:21 < dongs> i'd say chances of lunix MDRAID changing shit and breaking old data are 1000% more likely than hardware raid card not reading an array
2016-06-17T10:31:43 < ReadError> but its open source and peer reviewed, it will never get broken
2016-06-17T10:31:45 < zyp> I like the benefits of raidz over traditional raid
2016-06-17T10:32:00 < dongs> 'z' sounds like it stands for 'aidz'
2016-06-17T10:32:07 < zyp> aidzfs
2016-06-17T10:32:11 < dongs> anyway, this discussion is going nowhere
2016-06-17T10:32:14 < dongs> opensores gonna poensores
2016-06-17T10:32:16 < zyp> of course not :p
2016-06-17T10:32:24 < dongs> might as well msg ohsix and just type away
2016-06-17T10:32:39 < dongs> i'll keep my hardware raid
2016-06-17T10:32:59 < ReadError> i like the idea of ZFS, but synology has some nice features
2016-06-17T10:33:08 < zyp> main reason I switched away from hardware raid is that shitty controller I had didn't support more than raid5
2016-06-17T10:33:21 < ReadError> could always just hack it together using iSCSI mount or something
2016-06-17T10:33:22 < dongs> so tis your fault for buying shit
2016-06-17T10:33:27 < dongs> any  raid i owned supported raid6
2016-06-17T10:33:58 < zyp> dongs, what about when raid7 becomes the next cool thing?
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2016-06-17T10:44:05 < dongs> zyp, by then i'll have a card supporting it
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2016-06-17T10:47:15 < dongs> bedtime
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2016-06-17T11:02:17 < Ecco> Is it a bad practice to route tracks below a QFN package?
2016-06-17T11:03:38 < zyp> not unless you're in a conflict with a thermal pad
2016-06-17T11:03:42 < Ecco> ok
2016-06-17T11:03:51 < Ecco> Yeah that QFN package doesn't have a thermal pad
2016-06-17T11:04:02 < Ecco> It has multiple VDD pins
2016-06-17T11:04:12 < Ecco> so I was thinking about connecting those below the chip
2016-06-17T11:04:22 < zyp> I've done something like that before
2016-06-17T11:07:38 < Ecco> Isn't that a common idea? I mean, it sounds very simple
2016-06-17T11:08:33 < Thorn> don't break up ground plane on the bottom layer if possible
2016-06-17T11:09:12 < Thorn> also some datasheets will say "do not route traces under the device" but that's relatively rare
2016-06-17T11:09:16 < Ecco> ok
2016-06-17T11:09:37 < Ecco> Well that's an STM32
2016-06-17T11:09:43 < Ecco> I haven't seen any such advice
2016-06-17T11:09:55 < Ecco> (but I might as well have missed it, the datasheet isn't exactly small)
2016-06-17T11:10:23 < Thorn> it does say "avoid the area under the xtal and its traces" iirc
2016-06-17T11:11:04 < Thorn> but that has to do with the bottom side again
2016-06-17T11:11:12 < Ecco> indeed
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2016-06-17T11:38:45 < ReadError> depends on the chip too
2016-06-17T11:38:47 < ReadError> like a mag
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2016-06-17T12:58:14 < karlp_> ReadError: boundary scan is possile on all stm32s, sure, don't ay attention to ohsix
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2016-06-17T13:15:30 < ReadError> karlp_  oh?
2016-06-17T13:15:49 < ReadError> is there some mechanism for it built in?
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2016-06-17T13:21:00 < Laurenceb__> https://media2.8ch.net/pol/src/1466119112001.jpg
2016-06-17T13:24:28 < Ecco> Laurenceb__: I'm afraid that's only something a british can understand
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2016-06-17T13:30:52 < kakimir> at least nxp chips are jtag boundary scan only usually
2016-06-17T13:31:01 < kakimir> jo jtag debugging
2016-06-17T13:31:10 < kakimir> no
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2016-06-17T13:33:45 < Thorn> I used lpc176x and lpc11c2x and they all have jtag debugging iirc
2016-06-17T13:38:21 < Laurenceb__> http://bit.ly/1YwSN9b v nsfw
2016-06-17T13:40:23 < Thorn> even the url itself is nsfw?
2016-06-17T13:44:31 < Laurenceb__> TIL Jo Cox was killed by WizardChan
2016-06-17T14:00:04 < Thorn> a Russian 'blogger' faces criminal charges for justifying the Orlando attack in his instagram https://lenta.ru/news/2016/06/17/blogger/
2016-06-17T14:07:54 < Ecco> Guys, what's the the "Analog input" mode of a GPIO?
2016-06-17T14:08:00 < Ecco> How is that different from ADC_IN?
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2016-06-17T14:10:56 < ReadError> it is ADC
2016-06-17T14:11:06 < ReadError> its like AF
2016-06-17T14:11:10 < ReadError> but not
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2016-06-17T14:13:05 < Laurenceb__> Thorn: but de ebul putin was responsible for Orlando
2016-06-17T14:13:32 < Ecco> I didn't get it :)
2016-06-17T14:16:33 < Laurenceb__> holy shit  /pol/ delivers https://media2.8ch.net/pol/src/1466155852463.jpg
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2016-06-17T14:16:56 < Laurenceb__> he is the "shooter" in MSM articles
2016-06-17T14:16:59 < Laurenceb__> face matches
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2016-06-17T14:22:04 < jadew> Laurenceb__, wtf is with those links?
2016-06-17T14:22:45 < jadew> two of them I didn't get and the middle one is inappropriate for all ages
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2016-06-17T14:23:03 < Laurenceb__> BBC and most other outlets have "arrest" video of "shooter", but the guy def doesnt match "tommy" guy
2016-06-17T14:23:04 < jadew> post something funny
2016-06-17T14:23:20 < Laurenceb__> 4chan detectives are on the case
2016-06-17T14:24:04 < jadew> what shooter?
2016-06-17T14:24:06 < jadew> what happened?
2016-06-17T14:24:16 < Laurenceb__> UK MP got shot yesterday
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2016-06-17T14:24:34 < Laurenceb__> lurn 2 news
2016-06-17T14:25:20 < Laurenceb__> inb4 channers solve the murder mystery
2016-06-17T14:25:37 < decimad> Does STM provide some pin planner application, which supports you finding sane pin assignments?
2016-06-17T14:26:03 < jadew> Laurenceb__, what does MP stands for?
2016-06-17T14:26:12 < Laurenceb__> decimad: yeah there is a java program for that
2016-06-17T14:26:18 < jadew> decimad, I use cube for it
2016-06-17T14:26:18 < Laurenceb__> member of parliament
2016-06-17T14:26:25 < jadew> Laurenceb__, thanks
2016-06-17T14:26:29 < jadew> which java program?
2016-06-17T14:26:36 < Laurenceb__> I dunno lol
2016-06-17T14:26:47 < Laurenceb__> pin configuration manager or something
2016-06-17T14:26:54 < Laurenceb__> from ST
2016-06-17T14:27:32 < jadew> man... europe has become unsafe
2016-06-17T14:28:28 < jadew> we were planning to go to Italy or Greece this year, but fuck it, I don't want to get shot
2016-06-17T14:28:45 < jadew> or bombed
2016-06-17T14:29:04 < ReadError> cube
2016-06-17T14:29:28 < ReadError> excel sheets would be nice
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2016-06-17T14:30:48 < Laurenceb__> uh oh https://media2.8ch.net/pol/src/1466154070121-1.png
2016-06-17T14:32:52 < Laurenceb__> lul us army improvised munitions handbook is still available as pdf download off us mil sites
2016-06-17T14:32:58 < Laurenceb__> inb4 I'm on watchlist
2016-06-17T14:33:08 < decimad> Don't find it on cortex resources... that packe sucks for finding anything
2016-06-17T14:34:12 < ReadError> decimad look for CubeMX
2016-06-17T14:36:02 < decimad> My use case would be to mark all pins for peripherals I absolutely need, some for nice to have, and then assign the remaining pins to headers so that each header has a timer to it, and the remaining header pins filled with gpio keeping peripherals together where possible...
2016-06-17T14:36:15 < decimad> And I started doing that by hand, which absolutely sucks ;)
2016-06-17T14:36:47 < ReadError> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CjN79_oM8ag/VA75LadeiUI/AAAAAAAADrI/yLb55YD3nAw/s1600/stm32cubemx-screenshot.jpg
2016-06-17T14:36:50 < ReadError> its like that
2016-06-17T14:37:13 < Laurenceb__> lul that looks like the pin config manager thing
2016-06-17T14:37:24 < Laurenceb__> someone copypasted java codez
2016-06-17T14:37:35 < ReadError> https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/STM32Java/Attachments/152/STM32CubeMx-Encoder.JPG
2016-06-17T14:37:49 < ReadError> yea its a big pile of java shit
2016-06-17T14:37:55 < ReadError> will eat your ram
2016-06-17T14:38:08 < decimad> I will give it a try, maybe I can find a way to use it for my needs
2016-06-17T14:39:14 < decimad> otoh I could write a program for it... no need for gui ;)
2016-06-17T14:39:46 < ReadError> open excel or sheets.google
2016-06-17T14:39:53 < Laurenceb__> ReadError: not as badly as failfox
2016-06-17T14:41:56 < karlp_> Sync: well, next time I need some, I'll ask you to send me some then :) I just bought them from that kustompcs uk place last night. want to close out this job on my desk :)
2016-06-17T14:42:59 < karlp_> ReadError: yeah, boundary scan is standard, someone had a sample openocd script that could read all the pin states, maybe ask paulf.  but you gotta use jtag, no swd.
2016-06-17T14:43:26 < ReadError> karlp_ my research on JTAG + STM32 shows it being spotty
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2016-06-17T14:51:30 < ReadError> https://i.snag.gy/xmg1I8.jpg odd
2016-06-17T14:51:48 < ReadError> they changed all my history from TI to natsemi
2016-06-17T14:52:20 < karlp_> ReadError: "spotty" ? it's a very rarely used, but it's always there, go read your datasheets.
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2016-06-17T14:53:48 < ReadError> karlp_ as in people trying to use it but failing was most of the reports I came across
2016-06-17T14:54:17 < karlp_> I think that will be mostly because so few people know how to use boundary scan, or hve tools that know how to, rather than the chips not having it.
2016-06-17T14:55:30 < decimad> Is the ULPI interface with kind of 12 pins the smalles it can get?
2016-06-17T14:55:43 < decimad> as connection to a hs usb phy
2016-06-17T14:59:20 < Thorn> http://www.topjtag.com/probe/ $100  https://www.jtaglive.com/en/content/jtag-live-buzz free
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2016-06-17T15:36:24 < knielsen> jadew: if you want to know if Europe has become safer or more dangerous, you need to consult statistics. Not media, they are useless
2016-06-17T15:39:43 < flutterb1t> knielsen: according to the media, russian hooligans are currently maraudering through western europe :p
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2016-06-17T16:47:00 < englishman> flyback: wtf
2016-06-17T16:47:08 < englishman> advancing cdis are like old as the hills
2016-06-17T16:47:48 < englishman> the board in that pic is equally old
2016-06-17T16:48:01 < englishman> fully pth
2016-06-17T16:54:31 < englishman> here, i used this crap like ~12 years ago http://www.msextra.com/
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2016-06-17T17:34:02 < decimad> So I downloaded the cubef4, but it does not come with the tool it seems, or I'm not finding it... then there's also cubeMX, but that one doesn't have a download button... I'm confused
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2016-06-17T18:17:43 < karlp_> When it comes to high-volume, power and space-constrained designs, tying up loose-ends or adding functionality with a versatile SLG46108V is a no-brainer.
2016-06-17T18:17:51 < karlp_> well, yeah, totally! no-brainer!
2016-06-17T18:25:23 < Laurenceb> TIL all my friends from school will be on terror watch list
2016-06-17T18:25:25 < Laurenceb> lulz
2016-06-17T18:26:47 < zyp> englishman, I had it in my old car
2016-06-17T18:27:31 < Laurenceb> http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/A475/production/_90010124_capture.jpg ppl used to photocopy this shit at school lol
2016-06-17T18:27:42 < Laurenceb> 2 edgy 4 u
2016-06-17T18:34:53 < kakimir> sup trolls
2016-06-17T18:36:26 < englishman> zyp: cool
2016-06-17T18:36:30 < englishman> what kinda car and megajunk?
2016-06-17T18:36:38 < englishman> i still have a car with it, in storage
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2016-06-17T18:41:03 < zyp> volvo 240 with ms2 iirc
2016-06-17T18:41:28 < karlp_> emeb: it was you who had teens driving through your wall or something right? any of them like this? http://imgur.com/gallery/mekHJ
2016-06-17T18:41:30 < zyp> put it in mostly because original ecu was misbehaving and it sounded more fun than getting another to replace it with
2016-06-17T18:41:50 < karlp_> zyp: you ended up with the cr95hf or the st95hf on your nfc shits?
2016-06-17T18:41:53 < kakimir> rear drive volvos are very valued cars
2016-06-17T18:42:02 < zyp> then drove it until I bought a new car and scrapped the old one this spring
2016-06-17T18:42:05 < kakimir> 2litre 5cylinder ones
2016-06-17T18:42:07 < englishman> https://s19.postimg.org/e87dm6ynn/p3090023io9.jpg
2016-06-17T18:42:12 < englishman> man i found these pix
2016-06-17T18:42:15 < zyp> karlp_, st95hf
2016-06-17T18:42:35 < karlp_> you going to use that p2p mode on it?
2016-06-17T18:42:37 < englishman> cool, probably cheaper than replacemnt ecu too lol
2016-06-17T18:42:45 < karlp_> or was it just "similar price, might use that feature later" ?
2016-06-17T18:42:55 < englishman> engine shot https://s19.postimg.org/kcuals1df/p3090002ob3.jpg
2016-06-17T18:43:03 < zyp> karlp_, am not using it so far, but I'm planning to
2016-06-17T18:43:05 < emeb> karlp_: yes it was me.
2016-06-17T18:43:14 < emeb> no, nothing quite that dramatic
2016-06-17T18:43:31 < emeb> just a hole in the block wall around the yard with a car in it.
2016-06-17T18:43:42 < zyp> englishman, haha, I just ran it with a fairly stock B230F
2016-06-17T18:43:43 < karlp_> this was a work thing wasna't it? nothing you could fully describe?
2016-06-17T18:43:53  * karlp_ is just taking the st nfc training course thingy
2016-06-17T18:44:02 < zyp> karlp_, no, hobby stuff
2016-06-17T18:45:15 < zyp> the basic goal is just to read the id from a tag and present it in an easily usable way
2016-06-17T18:45:55 < zyp> cards are used as simple auth tokens
2016-06-17T18:47:35 < zyp> but the hardware can be used for whatever, it's just a matter of what firmware you put on it now
2016-06-17T18:49:22 < karlp_> heh https://udemy-certificate.s3.amazonaws.com/image/UC-V8F4DMO0.jpg
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2016-06-17T18:49:26  * karlp_ is pro now :)
2016-06-17T18:49:39 < zyp> awesome
2016-06-17T18:50:58 < zyp> did you learn anything interesting?
2016-06-17T18:53:36 < karlp_> yeah, a bit,
2016-06-17T18:53:50 < karlp_> got a better understanding of some of the design steps for the tuning maybe, which bits you start with.
2016-06-17T18:54:02 < karlp_> better overview of what the different families and modes can really do.
2016-06-17T18:54:19 < zyp> maybe you know it better than me now then ;)
2016-06-17T18:54:22 < karlp_> was maybe 2 or so hours?
2016-06-17T18:54:24 < karlp_> hardly.
2016-06-17T18:55:04 < zyp> I mean, I just pulled some numbers out of the air (and a couple of reference designs) when designing the first prototype
2016-06-17T18:56:10 < zyp> and then I just hooked up the vna and stacked caps in parallel with the antenna until resonant frequency looked about right, concluding that I needed around 180pF extra
2016-06-17T18:56:22 < zyp> so I tested with that and it worked, and then I didn't fuck more around with that
2016-06-17T18:56:44 < karlp_> I was goign to ask you something about where you started, but doens't matter really
2016-06-17T18:57:01 < zyp> well, I just told you :p
2016-06-17T18:57:15 < karlp_> the things that I didn't know were a) design for use near metal is important, and it _raises_ the frequency
2016-06-17T18:57:32 < karlp_> I thought it was just dull sensitivy,
2016-06-17T18:57:51 < zyp> ah, no, all nearby shit detunes the antenna
2016-06-17T18:57:59 < zyp> learned that much in uni
2016-06-17T18:58:13 < karlp_> yeah, I thought it just detuned it by lwoering q, making it flatter and shitter
2016-06-17T18:58:20 < karlp_> didn't think it would move the frequency higher
2016-06-17T18:58:34 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/uNgNm.JPG <- you've probably seen this before, but here's how the proto looked after experimenting with tuning
2016-06-17T18:59:01 < zyp> missing series cap was 180p that I stole to put on another proto
2016-06-17T19:00:10 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/m0yyr.JPG <- the leaning tower of caps
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2016-06-17T19:01:29 < karlp_> do you have EMI filters on your tx path?
2016-06-17T19:01:49 < zyp> that's what the first LC-thing is supposed to be IIRC
2016-06-17T19:02:21 < zyp> oh, wait, missing cap is not series, it's to ground
2016-06-17T19:02:26 < zyp> so parallel
2016-06-17T19:03:08 < kakimir> what is going on..
2016-06-17T19:03:12 < karlp_> did you design your reader for a certain tuype of tag?
2016-06-17T19:03:28 < karlp_> or just picked an arbitrary antenna and hten stick on caps til the tags you had worked?
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2016-06-17T19:03:36 < karlp_> they have some online antenna designer thing
2016-06-17T19:04:42 < zyp> I didn't pick an antenna at all, I just drawed a random spiral and hoped it was close enough that I could tune it right
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2016-06-17T19:05:17 < zyp> I did some math when I started tuning it, which indicated that I might be a bit on the low side on inductance
2016-06-17T19:05:22 < zyp> but idk
2016-06-17T19:05:28 < zyp> it works, so I'm happy :p
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2016-06-17T19:08:29 < karlp_> right, the st dudes mostly spoke about starting wtih the size/shape of the antenna you want/need, work out it's params, use that to work out the rest.
2016-06-17T19:08:45 < decimad> Where did you get CubeMX, if you installed it? I'm browsing ST site up and down, no luck -.-
2016-06-17T19:13:28 < karlp_> decimad: google for cubemx, get taken to :http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/development-tools/software-development-tools/stm32-software-development-tools/stm32-configurators-and-code-generators/stm32cubemx.html?sc=stm32cubemx click on "get software" ?
2016-06-17T19:14:01 < decimad> karlp_ and then?
2016-06-17T19:14:35 < decimad> There is no download button on the righmost column where usually the download link would be. Neither on Firefox, nor on Chrome :(
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2016-06-17T19:22:12 < Steffanx> lol indeed decimad
2016-06-17T19:22:45 < Steffanx> what you need it for decimad? F4/3/2/1?
2016-06-17T19:23:12 < Steffanx> otherwise google for stm32cube[insert family here]
2016-06-17T19:23:19 < Steffanx> like http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/embedded-software/mcus-embedded-software/stm32-embedded-software/stm32cube-embedded-software/stm32cubef4.html
2016-06-17T19:23:23 < Steffanx> include cubemx
2016-06-17T19:27:13 < Steffanx> *includes
2016-06-17T19:29:14 < ReadError> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/software/sw_development_suite/00/22/e1/cf/b7/83/42/25/stm32cubemx.zip/files/stm32cubemx.zip/jcr:content/translations/en.stm32cubemx.zip
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2016-06-17T19:29:55 < ReadError> <script>
2016-06-17T19:29:55 < ReadError>             var dlLinkAvailable = 'false';
2016-06-17T19:29:55 < ReadError> </script>
2016-06-17T19:29:57 < Steffanx> or that.
2016-06-17T19:29:58 < ReadError> lo
2016-06-17T19:30:05 < jpa-> such script
2016-06-17T19:30:10 < jpa-> much pro
2016-06-17T19:30:21 < Steffanx> At least it was open sores
2016-06-17T19:30:57 < jpa-> free as in ugfx
2016-06-17T19:32:03 < Steffanx> and yet some people donate their own fixes for it.
2016-06-17T19:32:11 < Steffanx> *to it
2016-06-17T19:32:24 < jpa-> i wish someone would fix st's site also
2016-06-17T19:32:42 < ReadError> IT dept is in india
2016-06-17T19:32:46 < ReadError> nuff said
2016-06-17T19:33:48 < decimad> Steffanx: I wanted to use the mx tool for pin planning, I don't use cube stuff at source level...
2016-06-17T19:34:28 < jpa-> ReadError: they could freelance it
2016-06-17T19:34:47 < decimad> Thanks ReadError
2016-06-17T19:34:52 < Steffanx> but it does include it decimad so it would have solved your issue as well
2016-06-17T19:35:11 < decimad> Steffanx: I downloaded CubeF4, but it didnt contain mx
2016-06-17T19:36:29 < Steffanx> oh, i guess the text writers are in india too
2016-06-17T19:36:31 < Steffanx> "STM32Cube includes the STM32CubeMX "
2016-06-17T19:39:04 < ReadError> well if you whois st.com
2016-06-17T19:39:07 < ReadError> tech is all IN
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2016-06-17T19:49:02 < Getty> this is kinda painful to see: http://i.imgur.com/CQCIRMS.jpg the old russian space shuttle project
2016-06-17T19:51:55 < jadew> old
2016-06-17T19:54:08 < Getty> well... obviously ;)
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2016-06-17T20:06:34 < Laurenceb> not that painful, it was an even bigger management disaster than usa shuttle
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2016-06-17T20:16:52 < Getty> yeah but that the materials were just like "left alone" is so stupid, given that its more a politial reasoning
2016-06-17T20:17:02 < Getty> we are wasting so many opportunities
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2016-06-17T20:22:33 < decimad> I don
2016-06-17T20:22:41 < decimad> 't trust this cubemx pin planner
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2016-06-17T20:23:12 < decimad> Not in that it does not show the correct conflicts, but in that it does not show alternate positions during activation
2016-06-17T20:42:25 < englishman> Getty: so old, that building collapsed years ago and all that stuff is ruined
2016-06-17T20:42:42 < Getty> englishman: yeah NOW ;)
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2016-06-17T21:16:11 < dongs> Laurenceb: http://www.sciencealert.com/new-paper-claims-that-the-em-drive-doesn-t-defy-newton-s-3rd-law-after-all
2016-06-17T21:16:26 < dongs> sciencealert more like trollalert
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2016-06-17T21:44:43 < Steffanx> As a great philosofer ever wrote: Never say neverrrr.
2016-06-17T21:48:11 < Rickta59> so the upshot of all that searching above for the CubeMX software and not finding it available, does that mean ST is finally conceding it is not fit for use?
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2016-06-17T21:59:12 < dongs> you wish
2016-06-17T21:59:19 < dongs> cube isnt going anywhere
2016-06-17T22:17:53 < englishman> roffles is the download link broken
2016-06-17T22:17:53 < englishman> it is
2016-06-17T22:17:58 < englishman> proooo
2016-06-17T22:18:10 < englishman> better put in a ticket, wait 8-30 months for reply
2016-06-17T22:20:22 < englishman> new website is even slower than the old one
2016-06-17T22:22:10 < Steffanx> should've cloned the old website
2016-06-17T22:22:19 < Steffanx> like dekar did with the one before that
2016-06-17T22:24:19 < ReadError> need to build an enclosure/backplane
2016-06-17T22:24:30 < ReadError> old refurb shit is pretty cheap
2016-06-17T22:24:39 < ReadError> or old server stuff rather
2016-06-17T22:27:42 < ReadError> got 10 shitachi's coming
2016-06-17T22:29:35 < ReadError> https://dropfile.to/gOrINSG
2016-06-17T22:29:39 < ReadError> theres some i found
2016-06-17T22:31:17 < ReadError> kind of a dumb collection though
2016-06-17T22:31:22 < ReadError> f1 and a few f2
2016-06-17T22:32:05 < dongs> englishman: stlink utility download was also broken last week
2016-06-17T22:32:08 < dongs> when i was tying to test latest
2016-06-17T22:32:15 < dongs> it downloaded some ancient app from 2001
2016-06-17T22:32:19 < dongs> made with VB3 or somethign
2016-06-17T22:32:39 < ReadError> if you had openocd this would be a non issue
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2016-06-17T22:42:49 < dongs> lol.
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2016-06-17T22:57:21 < aandrew> urban explorer didn't find shit. there's a whole blog and gallery about the Russian shuttle program
2016-06-17T22:58:55 < aandrew> didn't seem to have problems with cubemx pin planner when I used it for SPI i2c, i2s, UART, USB and six PWM signals
2016-06-17T22:59:28 < dongs> autism?
2016-06-17T22:59:47 < aandrew> hmm?
2016-06-17T22:59:48 < dongs> hm nope. autism6 is idle
2016-06-17T22:59:51 < dongs> who are you replying to
2016-06-17T23:00:04 < Steffanx> lol dongs. love this.
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2016-06-17T23:10:24 < aandrew> no update today. slow day
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2016-06-17T23:31:09 < ReadError> yea the motors
2016-06-17T23:31:14 < ReadError> they where like 'lost;
2016-06-17T23:31:23 < ReadError> but i got the quads i ordered
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2016-06-18T00:23:01 < dongs> haha holy fucking shit
2016-06-18T00:23:12 < dongs> this dude is tryting to give me a laptop
2016-06-18T00:23:24 < dongs> its hp "elitebook" 8470p
2016-06-18T00:23:29 < dongs> > core i5
2016-06-18T00:23:30 < dongs> > 8 gb ram
2016-06-18T00:23:34 < dongs> > 1366x768 LCD
2016-06-18T00:23:37 < dongs> > VGA OUT ONLY
2016-06-18T00:23:39 < dongs> > 2016
2016-06-18T00:23:43 < dongs> what the actual fucking fuck
2016-06-18T00:23:46 < dongs> ?????????????????/
2016-06-18T00:23:49 < dongs> and its like 10kg in weight
2016-06-18T00:24:51 < mitrax> uh? no display port?
2016-06-18T00:25:41 < mitrax> http://files.itproportal.com/wp-content/uploads/photos/hp-elitebook-8470p-right-edge_original.jpg
2016-06-18T00:25:42 < dongs> not even fucking HDMI dude
2016-06-18T00:25:51 < dongs> no
2016-06-18T00:25:55 < dongs> o wait
2016-06-18T00:25:57 < dongs> yeah thres dp
2016-06-18T00:25:58 < dongs> lolz
2016-06-18T00:26:02 < mitrax> :p
2016-06-18T00:26:09 < dongs> and  thats DP++ so that can do hdmi
2016-06-18T00:26:12 < dongs> k but still
2016-06-18T00:26:13 < dongs>  1366 panel
2016-06-18T00:26:14 < dongs> the fuck
2016-06-18T00:26:19 < dongs> and it looks like some TFT garbage
2016-06-18T00:27:04 < dongs> at least not a complete fucking shitheap with external video
2016-06-18T00:27:16 < dongs> but if it was VGA out only its like fuck off
2016-06-18T00:32:55 < Simon--> think of all the projected powerpoint presentations
2016-06-18T00:33:02 < Simon--> ;)
2016-06-18T00:34:43 < Thorn> ask for a macbook pro retina instead
2016-06-18T00:35:40 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.35.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
2016-06-18T00:37:26 < Simon--> no problems yet with my yoga 900 except for stupid hinge decoration fell off
2016-06-18T00:39:01 < dongs> does that have the same awful yellow screen like yoga2pro
2016-06-18T00:39:04 < dongs> or did tehy fix ti
2016-06-18T00:39:09 < dongs> or do you run lunix and dont care
2016-06-18T00:39:12 < dongs> cuz you only see 80x25 text mode
2016-06-18T00:41:37 < dongs> looks good otherwise, about time people started doing USB-C with displayport alternative mode
2016-06-18T00:41:45 < dongs> retarded fucking assmedia USB bridge needs to fucking die
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2016-06-18T00:55:33 < jadew> what's MB102?
2016-06-18T00:57:59 < dongs> a what
2016-06-18T00:58:15 < kakimir> ohsix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXqNGvyMMJI fresh musix
2016-06-18T00:58:18 < jadew> you're ignoring the other part of the conversation
2016-06-18T00:58:18 < dongs> oh autism
2016-06-18T00:58:20 < dongs> bbl
2016-06-18T00:58:31 < kakimir> hello dongs
2016-06-18T00:59:44 < jadew> make him a tape
2016-06-18T01:00:06 < kakimir> you have every musics?
2016-06-18T01:00:39 < kakimir> that album is released like yeasterday
2016-06-18T01:00:43 < kakimir> literally
2016-06-18T01:00:43 < karlp> kakimir: thanks
2016-06-18T01:00:46 < karlp> soudns good to me
2016-06-18T01:01:14 < karlp> everyone I know is either in france or at a local festival. I'm just at home reflashing busted jlink
2016-06-18T01:01:57 < dongs> jlink clone, surely?
2016-06-18T01:02:00 < dongs> >legal jlinks dont bust
2016-06-18T01:02:04 < karlp> of course .)
2016-06-18T01:02:08 < dongs> kk
2016-06-18T01:02:17 < dongs> i brickedone of my older ones
2016-06-18T01:02:17 < karlp> something weird with usb2/3 as well.
2016-06-18T01:02:24 < karlp> what do you mean about "literal bit string" ?
2016-06-18T01:02:27 < dongs> when tehy cared about clones at some point in one firmware releases
2016-06-18T01:02:29 < kakimir> if you don't know phantogram listen "When I'm small" it has been in handful of commercials
2016-06-18T01:02:45 < dongs> then after that they let them out again
2016-06-18T01:02:47 < karlp> dongs: well, you can always restore to the sam-ba bootloader shits
2016-06-18T01:03:06 < karlp> and I've got some jlink bin, but in theory I should be able to update to latest.
2016-06-18T01:03:21 < karlp> yeah ok, this song isn't that good once it starts gettting whiny singing
2016-06-18T01:04:26 < kakimir> whiny singing is like their trademark.. I don't know if there is songs without it
2016-06-18T01:04:26 < karlp> yes....
2016-06-18T01:04:42 < karlp> ohsix: I mean, boundary scan is in the ref manuals, with descriptions of the taps.
2016-06-18T01:05:01 < karlp> the bsdl files keep getting fuckzö0red by st's website "improvements"
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2016-06-18T01:05:43 < karlp> clive1 ant "stm_one" on the forums have both linked to them in the past, and ds2s or something mirror has the stm32f1 bsdl files, but they old 2010 versions.
2016-06-18T01:10:21 < dongs> oh god
2016-06-18T01:10:28 < dongs> autism6 is still assburgering about readerrors retarded dream
2016-06-18T01:10:50 < dongs> guise do yourself a fucking favor and type /ignore ohsix
2016-06-18T01:11:02 < dongs> it solves all problems
2016-06-18T01:11:05 < Simon--> dongs: screen doesn't bother me.. I did calibrate it.. it ended up with a nearly flat profile, basically only pulling out teeny amount of shadows. can't remember native white balance at the moment, but it's not fugly like most laptops, even though it is still rgbw stuff
2016-06-18T01:11:17 < Simon--> but yes, totally using it in text mode ;)
2016-06-18T01:11:32 < dongs> ok. yeah, it was fucking weird.
2016-06-18T01:11:32 < kakimir> nah ohsix is alrite
2016-06-18T01:12:44 < dongs> karlp: you should hang out wiht him in #ohsix, its way cooler than here
2016-06-18T01:12:51 < dongs> err, kikemir ^
2016-06-18T01:14:26 < karlp> well, I can reflash it with some jlink bin to get it to show up as jlink in lsusb, and jlinkexe detects it and tried to upgrade it, but the upgrade fails and bricks it, and so does even just using openocd without updating it.
2016-06-18T01:14:47 < dongs> karlp: chinks provide an older version of jlink tools
2016-06-18T01:14:51 < dongs> that is known to work wiht clones
2016-06-18T01:14:55 < dongs> you can install that
2016-06-18T01:15:03 < dongs> i think places like hotmcu and wayengineer link to the old installer exe
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2016-06-18T01:16:53 < kakimir> those were the days when 15GB of goa/psytrance was my all musics
2016-06-18T01:18:28 < kakimir> ultistoned
2016-06-18T01:20:13 < kakimir> kikesongs and hash
2016-06-18T01:32:00 < karlp> dongs: both hotmcu and wayengineer no longer even sell jlink clones :)
2016-06-18T01:32:12 < dongs> lol
2016-06-18T01:32:12 < dongs> rough
2016-06-18T01:32:28 < karlp> I only got this to have something capable of jtag, been a bit of a bum idea, seemed clever at the time :)
2016-06-18T01:36:56 < dongs> Synaptics Mouse Driver (American, International)    system software Manager Icon 185.2MB
2016-06-18T01:36:59 < dongs> how  the fuck
2016-06-18T01:37:04 < dongs> 185megs
2016-06-18T01:37:09 < dongs> for a SHITTY FUCKING TOUCHPAD
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2016-06-18T01:38:03 < jadew> because there's a lot of stupid in it
2016-06-18T01:38:33 < dongs> also sttynaptics are stoners
2016-06-18T01:38:40 < dongs> their default picture of iwndows taskbar shows 4:20 in it
2016-06-18T01:39:10 < karlp> ohsix: completely uninterested in running bmp or similar on a disco board, I bought a jlink to have something with a standard 20pin connector on it for ease of use
2016-06-18T01:39:12 < dongs>  http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/500867-synaptics-420/
2016-06-18T01:39:29 < jadew> for that to happen you need stupid project managers, stupid lead developers and stupid product managers
2016-06-18T01:39:44 < jadew> you break that chain at any point and you end up with resonable apps
2016-06-18T01:39:52 < dongs> ITT: ohsix providing stupid advice, nonstop
2016-06-18T01:40:58 < jadew> ohsix, link?
2016-06-18T01:43:01 < jadew> lol, they made sure everyone understood it's "Panasonic batteries"
2016-06-18T01:43:37 < dongs> jadew: for what to happen, synaptics to have 4:20 in device gui?
2016-06-18T01:44:01 < jadew> dongs, for them to have 180 Mb drivers
2016-06-18T01:44:07 < dongs> oh
2016-06-18T01:44:13 < jadew> for a silly mouse
2016-06-18T01:44:13 < dongs> ya sure
2016-06-18T01:44:31 < dongs> ya it doesnt make much sense. unless theres like 170mb .avi
2016-06-18T01:44:37 < dongs> with a video on how to use it
2016-06-18T01:45:29 < jadew> damn, I wonder how they figured that one out?
2016-06-18T01:45:45 < jadew> there's a video of that happening online
2016-06-18T01:45:58 < dongs> there's autism happening right in this channel
2016-06-18T01:46:11 < dongs> watch out you might get infected
2016-06-18T01:46:15 < dongs> and start looking for BDSL files
2016-06-18T01:47:54 < jadew> going to eat something then I'm going to re-do my 200W power meter/dummy load
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2016-06-18T02:13:29 < karlp> it's actually designed to be extremely traceable
2016-06-18T02:13:38 < karlp> I don't really get why people keep saying it's not.
2016-06-18T02:13:59 < karlp> you can track every transaction, but it can be hard to find out who's behind an identifier.
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2016-06-18T02:19:45 < Thorn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/17456101/ <- drive dropped out of a raid with weird errors, seems to work after a reboot. raid is recovering
2016-06-18T02:20:27 < Thorn> no udma crc errors
2016-06-18T02:27:46 < karlp> heh, selling obfuscated transactions?! what a scam :)
2016-06-18T02:29:07 < jadew> then the reason everyone says it's untrackable is because if all the thieves and drug dealers would find out it is, would stop using it
2016-06-18T02:29:15 < jadew> then the whole economy would collapse
2016-06-18T02:30:08 < jadew> it's possible
2016-06-18T02:31:41 < jadew> yeah, doesn't seem far fetched
2016-06-18T02:34:49 < jadew> sounds like an endless source of power
2016-06-18T02:39:17 < karlp> oops, forgot some hash? too bad, that money is gone into the ether, never to be seen again.
2016-06-18T02:39:43 < karlp> it's like, let's have a limited resource backed currency, and then make some of it simply disintegrate and reduce the resource backing even further.
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2016-06-18T02:57:38 < kakimir> I try to boycot samsuck for absolutripping me off whit the last phone I bought
2016-06-18T02:59:01 < kakimir> pay 300 for very crappy one that let me down in all aspects
2016-06-18T03:00:29 < kakimir> now basically all samsucks are ip67
2016-06-18T03:03:07 < kakimir> ip67 is for comfort for me
2016-06-18T03:09:36 < kakimir> hmm possible alternative for samsuck found
2016-06-18T03:12:27 < kakimir> motorola.. but original moto g was toyphone
2016-06-18T03:12:52 < kakimir> brother had one and it shattered in his pocked
2016-06-18T03:12:55 < kakimir> pocket
2016-06-18T03:12:58 < kakimir> such toy
2016-06-18T03:13:39 < kakimir> now they have moto X force and they market it with "unbreakable display" with 4year warranity
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2016-06-18T03:14:21 < kakimir> only said "water ressistant"
2016-06-18T03:14:33 < kakimir> nothing about ip67
2016-06-18T03:14:58 < kakimir> moto g was too splash resistant and it instantly had some moisture inside it
2016-06-18T03:15:34 < kakimir> after washing it as a test
2016-06-18T03:17:27 < kakimir> actual ip67 and ip68 ones do not mind
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2016-06-18T03:25:06 < kakimir> these phones are fukken too big
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2016-06-18T03:28:40 < kakimir> you and dongs come along well?
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2016-06-18T03:32:19 < kakimir> sony xperia z5 compact would propably be the phone
2016-06-18T03:34:44 < kakimir> good camera, right size, ip68, 2day battery, notorious megacorp behind it
2016-06-18T03:49:20 < kakimir> so z5c has spongy feel buttons that are placed awkwardly
2016-06-18T03:50:57 < kakimir> phablet
2016-06-18T03:51:36 < kakimir> they got that battery thing right at least
2016-06-18T03:52:37 < kakimir> does't look ip67
2016-06-18T03:54:01 < kakimir> it'r really not the point.. I'm not buing in first place
2016-06-18T03:54:44 < kakimir> like phillips?
2016-06-18T03:57:23 < zyp> how often do you drop your phone in water?
2016-06-18T03:57:42 < kakimir> every day
2016-06-18T03:57:50 < zyp> maybe you should stop that
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2016-06-18T03:57:59 < kakimir> I wash it every day
2016-06-18T03:58:11 < zyp> I just see people breaking the screens all the time
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2016-06-18T03:58:27 < zyp> one of my friends got an xperia z5 a few months ago
2016-06-18T03:58:34 < zyp> a couple of weeks later, he broke the screen
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2016-06-18T04:00:23 < kakimir> my samsuck "durable" phone took just a feet down from hoodie pocket as I reached stuff from floor
2016-06-18T04:00:35 < kakimir> and it was 4th day after buing it
2016-06-18T04:01:20 < kakimir> after which it wasn't ip67 neather but I kept washing it like my 2 phones before it
2016-06-18T04:01:22 < zyp> I threw my nexus 4 over my shoulder once
2016-06-18T04:01:27 < zyp> it survived that just fine
2016-06-18T04:05:58 < kakimir> they have hard time figuring it out
2016-06-18T04:06:58 < kakimir> z5c has glass back...
2016-06-18T04:07:20 < kakimir> because shattering the screen is not enough
2016-06-18T04:07:41 < kakimir> they did iphones there
2016-06-18T04:08:21 < kakimir> manufs. keep copying all the bad features
2016-06-18T04:13:32 < kakimir> that is how big business works
2016-06-18T04:18:12 < kakimir> big corps have like manpower that could archive anything
2016-06-18T04:18:31 < kakimir> still they follow principle of lazy execution
2016-06-18T04:21:02 < kakimir> take 15?
2016-06-18T04:21:16 < kakimir> person?
2016-06-18T04:23:33 < kakimir> nite
2016-06-18T04:23:35 < kakimir> >
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2016-06-18T05:40:25 < jadew> ffs... whenever I need a resistor of a particular value, that's the value I don
2016-06-18T05:40:29 < jadew> don't have
2016-06-18T05:41:41 < upgrdman> found kakimir http://i.imgur.com/40rSQF0.gifv
2016-06-18T05:42:27 < jadew> that went well
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2016-06-18T05:50:21 < upgrdman> http://www.qatarscoop.com/news/qatar-man-arrested-for-smuggling-bacon-in-his-anal-cavity/
2016-06-18T05:53:05 < jadew> that's got to be a joke article
2016-06-18T05:54:04 < jadew> heh
2016-06-18T05:54:27 < jadew> but it looks like they got stalone in there
2016-06-18T05:59:36 < jadew> don't you know theguardian is shit
2016-06-18T05:59:58 < jadew> everything coming out of that newspaper is so biased it almost makes you throw up
2016-06-18T06:00:22 < jadew> merkel is great
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2016-06-18T06:00:49 < jadew> and everything is russia's fault
2016-06-18T06:01:28 < jadew> I noticed that during the refugee crisis
2016-06-18T06:02:32 < jadew> there were lots of articles covering everything, including what was going on in syria
2016-06-18T06:06:35 < dongs> autistic chats incoming
2016-06-18T06:46:24 < dongs> PeterM: http://hackaday.com/2016/06/16/reverse-engineering-a-nissan-leaf-battery-pack/
2016-06-18T06:50:18 < dongs> hm
2016-06-18T06:50:21 < dongs> looks like too much autistic shit
2016-06-18T06:50:22 < dongs> never midn
2016-06-18T06:54:06 < dongs> WHY THE FUCK IS HE POSTING FUCKING CAMERA PICTURES OF A MONITOR SHOWING DATA
2016-06-18T06:54:13 < dongs> what's a fucking PNG
2016-06-18T06:54:29 < dongs> of couse he uses some autistic lunix gallery plugin
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2016-06-18T07:22:04 < ReadError> bags of dicks
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2016-06-18T07:25:16 < dongs> ohsix likes bags
2016-06-18T07:25:19 < dongs> half-bags
2016-06-18T07:25:22 < dongs> to be specific
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2016-06-18T08:22:34 < emeb_mac> latest foolishness - https://www.dropbox.com/s/t2sdc0tza80x9v3/f303_ice5_front.png?dl=0
2016-06-18T08:22:56 < emeb_mac> stm32f303 + SD card + USB + Lattice ice40 Ultra
2016-06-18T08:24:01 < ds2> what toolchain are you using for the ice40?
2016-06-18T08:24:56 < dongs> windows one
2016-06-18T08:24:57 < dongs> OBVIOUSLY
2016-06-18T08:25:05 < dongs> the only one that works
2016-06-18T08:25:53 < emeb_mac> ds2: I'm using the mfgs "icecube" toolchain
2016-06-18T08:26:09 < dongs> all these "cube" things
2016-06-18T08:26:14 < emeb_mac> since the FOSS "icestorm" toolchain doesn't work with the Ultra parts
2016-06-18T08:26:21 < ds2> ohhh
2016-06-18T08:26:40 < emeb_mac> ds2: I've used icestorm on the HX parts though - seems to work OK
2016-06-18T08:26:56 < ds2> is the ultra bigger or just lower power?
2016-06-18T08:27:08 < emeb_mac> ultra has some extra IP cores
2016-06-18T08:27:25 < emeb_mac> a DSP hard macro that includes 16x16 multiply / accum
2016-06-18T08:27:36 < emeb_mac> and some SPI and I2C hard macros
2016-06-18T08:27:54 < ds2> wonder how does that combo compared to say a PSoC5
2016-06-18T08:28:03 < emeb_mac> no idea
2016-06-18T08:28:11 < dongs> psuck5
2016-06-18T08:28:15 < dongs> ask aandrew about psoc
2016-06-18T08:28:15 < ds2> that has the programmable logic and DSP cores
2016-06-18T08:28:20 < dongs> i think he was all hardcore about it
2016-06-18T08:28:23 < dongs> then realized it sucks
2016-06-18T08:28:32 < ds2> PSoC is nice for rapid prototyping
2016-06-18T08:29:15 < emeb_mac> ds2: I can say that icecube ultra is low power...
2016-06-18T08:29:19 < ds2> I recently had an odd situation where I needed to invert the TX line before coming out of the UART
2016-06-18T08:29:31 < ds2> PSoC made that easy
2016-06-18T08:29:34 < emeb_mac> I had a design that used about 10% of the chip running
2016-06-18T08:29:52 < emeb_mac> then discovered I hadn't hooked up the power regulator
2016-06-18T08:30:09 < emeb_mac> it was running entirely off the power delivered on the logic inputs
2016-06-18T08:30:19 < ds2> ooh nice
2016-06-18T08:30:26 < ds2> was that the 1.2V rail?
2016-06-18T08:30:33 < dongs> lol
2016-06-18T08:30:43 < emeb_mac> it was feeding thru the I/O pin ESD diodes
2016-06-18T08:31:02 < ds2> tempting to do a design with an ICE40
2016-06-18T08:31:14 < emeb_mac> wondered why it stopped working when I grew the design to 20%
2016-06-18T08:31:30 < emeb_mac> discovered the +5V input to the regulators wasn't connected
2016-06-18T08:31:38 < emeb_mac> derp
2016-06-18T08:31:49 < ds2> none of the regulators were powered?
2016-06-18T08:31:55 < emeb_mac> right
2016-06-18T08:32:15 < ds2> sounds like the stuff the AVR folks were doing
2016-06-18T08:32:21 < emeb_mac> the 1.2V was just dribbling off the current it got reversed thru the 3.3V
2016-06-18T08:46:22 < emeb_mac> hrhr
2016-06-18T08:52:49 < emeb_mac> I do various audio synthesis and RF / SDR stuff with them
2016-06-18T08:53:32 < emeb_mac> there's a lot of folks who do full MCU systems on FPGA - oldschool CPUs plus memory & peripherals.
2016-06-18T08:56:12 < emeb_mac> heh
2016-06-18T08:56:29 < emeb_mac> just did a full-up yamaha 8-op synth on that lattice chip
2016-06-18T08:58:01 < emeb_mac> check this site: http://forums.submarine.org.uk/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=9
2016-06-18T08:58:12 < emeb_mac> lotsa info there
2016-06-18T09:00:12 < emeb_mac> cemoy?
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2016-06-18T09:29:37 < ReadError> find him on freenode
2016-06-18T09:29:40 < ReadError> nick is 'RD'
2016-06-18T09:30:15 < ReadError> haha hes online
2016-06-18T09:31:33 < dongs> #autism?
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2016-06-18T10:10:39 < decimad> ohsix: hey, you're losing me... gimbal drivers?
2016-06-18T10:10:48 < dongs> ohsix: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2016-06-18T10:16:29 < decimad> I hate those youtoob videos where people buy ready stuff and then show how they configure it ;)
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2016-06-18T10:18:27 < decimad> okay, then I'm watching the correct videos ;)
2016-06-18T10:18:40 < decimad> How much power are we talking on those motors?
2016-06-18T10:18:48 < dongs> autism power
2016-06-18T10:18:49 < decimad> they look kind of weak ;)
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2016-06-18T10:19:37 < decimad> Do you know a store for those?
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2016-06-18T10:20:07 < decimad> I'd be interested in 100-200w motors... but preferably many poles ;)
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2016-06-18T10:30:21 < decimad> yeah, I could be buying a cheap one for experimenting... but ultimately I don't need or want these speedrunners :(
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2016-06-18T10:30:51 < decimad> and of course I want to do the fo control + inverter myself ;)
2016-06-18T10:36:08 < decimad> it's funny how they're 3 kW for the speed though :)
2016-06-18T10:36:35 < decimad> the large ones of course
2016-06-18T10:36:49 < decimad> yeah, I'll have quite some fun indeed, hehe
2016-06-18T10:48:44 < decimad> are those hip4086s? hehe... 2 fets in parallel... well if you need the currents on low voltags applications...
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2016-06-18T10:54:23 < decimad> i have a few sample encoders here already... magnetic ones
2016-06-18T10:55:31 < decimad> I also have a few hip4086 bridge drivers... but I think I'll do it discretely... it's a hassle to route the gate wires with them on cheap 2 layer boards...
2016-06-18T10:56:26 < ReadError> Ihmm
2016-06-18T10:56:36 < ReadError> that odrive looks interesting for mtb esc too
2016-06-18T10:56:56 < ReadError> ehh 24v
2016-06-18T11:00:07 < ReadError> have some of these coming http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/588/AS5047D_Datasheet_EN_v4-347336.pdf
2016-06-18T11:00:18 < ReadError> pretty crazy resolution for what it is
2016-06-18T11:02:54 < dongs> readSTONER
2016-06-18T11:03:33 < dongs> http://cloner.pro/ found this site the other day
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2016-06-18T11:13:53 < ReadError> just used for motor startup mostly
2016-06-18T11:13:55 < ReadError> slow speed
2016-06-18T11:22:37 < ReadError> well i have the board
2016-06-18T11:22:47 < ReadError> but this other option is much better and easier to mount
2016-06-18T11:23:05 < ReadError> just stick a magnet on the end of the shaft, glue it down
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2016-06-18T11:28:01 < ReadError> well from a dead stop it basically just has to go for it
2016-06-18T11:28:05 < ReadError> and hope it starts
2016-06-18T11:30:36 < ReadError> i guess commutation is hard at slow speeds with openloop too
2016-06-18T11:31:25 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/ams/AS5047D-EK-AB/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvxVoyCXc2K7kucgK1gGvF9H0GHgEqyqCk%3d
2016-06-18T11:31:31 < ReadError> the chip alone was almost 8$
2016-06-18T11:31:50 < ReadError> 7$ saves me the time of making a board, figured its worth a shot anyways
2016-06-18T11:32:34 < ReadError> oh damn i hope thats not just the board heh
2016-06-18T11:33:44 < ReadError> oh okay it does
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2016-06-18T12:08:51 < OneSploit> Hi anyone used STM32Cube HAL ?
2016-06-18T12:09:05 < dongs> OneSploit: ohsix has! /msg him for all help
2016-06-18T12:10:18 < decimad> ReadError ah, the new ams encoders actually use 16bit spi frames? :D
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2016-06-18T12:11:17 < ReadError> decimad looks like it
2016-06-18T12:11:33 < OneSploit> So I am following the book Mastering STM32, and I imported by project into eclipse, however when I am trying to use c++ classes, they won't compile because file containing main function has .c extension. When I change that, to main.cpp some errors are gone, but then I get another errors about interrupts. The code is here https://github.com/mashu/ARMKit2RT/tree/master/ARMKit2RT
2016-06-18T12:11:34 < decimad> ohsix the old ones work perfectly, but they send 18bit frames, so it's incompatible. Had to use an fpga to test them.
2016-06-18T12:12:09 < OneSploit> ohsix, I am not quite sure how to ask for help on that either...
2016-06-18T12:12:31 < OneSploit> if I show error it will be very specific to my code
2016-06-18T12:13:00 < decimad> you need to mark stuff as extern "C" then, if it is placed by a script
2016-06-18T12:13:16 < decimad> since you will get c++ name mangling
2016-06-18T12:13:26 < dongs> OneSploit: why dont you paste the fuckign ERRORS
2016-06-18T12:13:28 < dongs> instead of your entire code?
2016-06-18T12:13:29 < decimad> better put c++ in a different translation unit
2016-06-18T12:14:26 < OneSploit> hmm ok
2016-06-18T12:14:41 < dongs> why do people do C++ just to do c++?
2016-06-18T12:14:47 < dongs> i mean looking at your SPIInterface.cpp
2016-06-18T12:14:51 < dongs> its just wasting space
2016-06-18T12:14:55 < dongs> it does nothing new
2016-06-18T12:15:33 < OneSploit> dongs, it's convenient to base on this class all devices
2016-06-18T12:16:00 < OneSploit> looks cleaner to me and more pleasant, while I am still learning
2016-06-18T12:16:14 < decimad> it has no state
2016-06-18T12:16:28 < OneSploit> ok I changed main back to main.c and will report errors gimme few sec
2016-06-18T12:16:35 < decimad> is it supposed to end up in empty base class optimization?
2016-06-18T12:17:21 < OneSploit> http://paste.debian.net/739971/
2016-06-18T12:17:23 < decimad> yet it has a virtual table^^
2016-06-18T12:18:19 < OneSploit> decimad, so you suggest I should write whole code as a set of functions?
2016-06-18T12:19:17 < dongs> you should just write code, and make it look not ugly
2016-06-18T12:19:31 < dongs> having something called "SPIInterface" and hten a method acalled SPI_send is a bit dumb
2016-06-18T12:19:42 < dongs> can SPIInterface have something that ISNT SPI_* ?
2016-06-18T12:19:51 < decimad> I don't think the compiler cares what extension a head has... it's the source file that does that
2016-06-18T12:19:53 < dongs> SPIInterface->i2C_send or something
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2016-06-18T12:20:43 < decimad> ohsix aren't headers just pasted into the c?
2016-06-18T12:21:04 < decimad> no matter if its c++ or c? but .c or .cpp tells gcc to compile c or c++
2016-06-18T12:21:31 < decimad> i would not expect it to do that for me...
2016-06-18T12:22:00 < decimad> usually the headers have #ifdef __cplusplus extern "C" stuff
2016-06-18T12:22:49 < OneSploit> http://paste.debian.net/739974/
2016-06-18T12:23:29 < OneSploit> my cpp code includes .h headers from HAL
2016-06-18T12:23:36 < OneSploit> I guess that's the problem right ?
2016-06-18T12:24:45 < OneSploit> ok I think this helped a bit.. one more error to solve though gimme few sec
2016-06-18T12:25:05 < OneSploit> http://paste.debian.net/739975/
2016-06-18T12:25:50 < OneSploit> Error_Handler is used as extern in stm32f4xx_hal_msp.c
2016-06-18T12:26:01 < OneSploit> hm.. ok
2016-06-18T12:26:42 < OneSploit> thanks for helping
2016-06-18T12:31:59 < ReadError> OneSploit chibios
2016-06-18T12:32:14 < ReadError> way cooler than ST HAL + FreeRTOS
2016-06-18T12:34:15 < dongs> chibidongs is garbage
2016-06-18T12:34:56 < ReadError> why
2016-06-18T12:37:22 < OneSploit> ReadError, maybe opencm3 is nice and there are many options besides HAL +FreeRTOS, but for learning I guess it's ok to use what is in the book :)
2016-06-18T12:37:37 < OneSploit> it's just for fun project, raining outside:)
2016-06-18T12:38:48 < decimad> this lgpl gpl stuff is simply unusable
2016-06-18T12:39:33 < decimad> because of the license, not that it necessarily is bad in itself ;)
2016-06-18T12:40:18 < ReadError> ohsix not swapped it yet
2016-06-18T12:42:53 < OneSploit> ok I tried extern "C" instead, and digging a bit into the code why this does not work, but no clue now..http://paste.debian.net/739978/
2016-06-18T12:43:28 < OneSploit> I am trying to figure out this a bit independently without asking too much here, but really can't get through this alone..
2016-06-18T12:44:54 < mitrax> OneSploit: the file is C already, extern "C" makes no sense to the c compiler
2016-06-18T12:45:40 < mitrax> OneSploit: it seems that Error_Handler is not defined anywhere else in your code, it's just the prototype that's in stm32f4xx_hal_msp.c
2016-06-18T12:45:41 < decimad> You are not supposed to add extern "C" in ../src/stm32f4xx_hal_msp.c
2016-06-18T12:46:10 < OneSploit> mitrax, it is in main.cpp file
2016-06-18T12:46:12 < mitrax> OneSploit: or if it is but in a .cpp file, wrap it around an extern "C" { } as decimad suggested, but not in that file
2016-06-18T12:46:22 < mitrax> OneSploit: i mean not in the hal_msp.c file
2016-06-18T12:46:29 < OneSploit> hm true
2016-06-18T12:46:34 < ReadError> in main.c
2016-06-18T12:46:39 < decimad> in main.cpp
2016-06-18T12:46:51 < ReadError> void Error_Handler(void) { }
2016-06-18T12:47:02 < decimad> yes, add it there
2016-06-18T12:47:06 < mitrax> OneSploit: functions in a .cpp file will have c++ linkage by default not C, stm32f4xx_hal_msp.c declares Error_Handler with C linkage
2016-06-18T12:47:22 < ReadError> or you can use codes etc
2016-06-18T12:48:16 < OneSploit> ok wrapping declarations in main.cpp in extern "C" helped
2016-06-18T12:48:34 < decimad> nice, now on to fun things ;)
2016-06-18T12:49:06 < OneSploit> :) yup testing if it still reads register of MPU and then fun part goes on.. thanks a lot :)
2016-06-18T13:09:09 < dongs> let's autism!
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2016-06-18T13:12:36 < Steffanx> let's get rid of that silly obsession.
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2016-06-18T13:13:07 < Thorn> md0 : active raid5 sdb1[5] sdf1[4] sdd1[2] sdc1[1] sda1[6] 11720534016 blocks super 1.2 level 5, 512k chunk, algorithm 2 [5/5] [UUUUU]
2016-06-18T13:14:16 < Steffanx> uhm Thorn?
2016-06-18T13:15:11 < Thorn> the drive that had weird errors earlier seems to be working fine
2016-06-18T13:19:23 < upgrdman> any java pros awake? ##java is silent right now
2016-06-18T13:19:49 < upgrdman> lol k
2016-06-18T13:19:50 < upgrdman> if i have a Set<foo>, why does Set.toArray() return an Object[] instead of a foo[] ?
2016-06-18T13:19:52 < Steffanx> How you even dare to ask?
2016-06-18T13:21:03 < Steffanx> didn't you stackoverflow upgrdman?  P
2016-06-18T13:21:05 < Steffanx> :P
2016-06-18T13:21:24 < Steffanx> i googled "Set.toArray() return an Object[]" and the top 10 is stackoverflow.
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2016-06-18T13:22:15 < upgrdman> some fuckers in ##java woke up. im good now. thx
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2016-06-18T13:23:15 < Steffanx> history ohsix.
2016-06-18T13:23:55 < upgrdman> ya
2016-06-18T13:23:56 < upgrdman> mpan> upgrdman: because `Collection` was introduced in 1.2, while generics in 1.5.
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2016-06-18T13:26:08 < upgrdman> ohsix, what seedbox service do you use?
2016-06-18T13:27:00 < ReadError> upgrdman whatbox.ca
2016-06-18T13:27:11 < OneSploit> decimad, so now it's reading 0x0 so conversion to c++ broke something on the way :) also it compiles clean but eclipse reports some strange errors like Description	Resource	Path	Location	Type Invalid arguments ' Candidates are: void HAL_NVIC_EnableIRQ(enum {stm32f479xx.h:3465})'	main.cpp	/ARMKit2RT/src	line 242	Semantic Error
2016-06-18T13:28:14 < upgrdman> ReadError, lolwut, some of their plans are "sold out" ... how the fuck...
2016-06-18T13:28:32 < ReadError> upgrdman yea
2016-06-18T13:28:41 < ReadError> its physical servers
2016-06-18T13:28:46 < ReadError> with a ton of storage
2016-06-18T13:29:17 < upgrdman> ohsix, so what do you use to torrent without fear of dmca
2016-06-18T13:29:29 < upgrdman> vpn to 3rd world?
2016-06-18T13:30:21 < OneSploit> upgrdman, I use HideMyAss
2016-06-18T13:30:34 < ReadError> HideMyAss is the worst vpn
2016-06-18T13:30:44 < ReadError> they cooperate
2016-06-18T13:31:18 < upgrdman> coop == pass on notices?
2016-06-18T13:31:29 < ReadError> give them ur name and info
2016-06-18T13:31:36 < ReadError> they have been known to cooperate
2016-06-18T13:32:18 < OneSploit> ReadError, you mean now gov knows what I've been downloading ?
2016-06-18T13:32:51 < OneSploit> damn, anyway Games of Thrones season is almost ending
2016-06-18T13:32:52 < ReadError> OneSploit nah theres just better VPNs for doing shady stuff like torrenting
2016-06-18T13:33:49 < OneSploit> ReadError, I use it only to hide from Polish gov, who has now full control to spy everyone and collect data on habits etc.. they dont need any court permission, recent law
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2016-06-18T13:34:29 < ReadError> OneSploit something like ipredator.se or privateinternetaccess.com is better
2016-06-18T13:34:52 < ReadError> thats all im sayin, prolly cheaper too
2016-06-18T13:35:11 < OneSploit> thanks, might consider using when I am back to country
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2016-06-18T14:23:25 < dekar> OneSploit, come to China, you can just stream everything for free in HD here. Though they do make a lot of strange cuts...
2016-06-18T14:30:37 < upgrdman>  dekar details plz
2016-06-18T14:30:40 < upgrdman> im in cn
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2016-06-18T14:35:13 < dekar> upgrdman, http://tv.sohu.com/drama/us/
2016-06-18T14:36:54 < upgrdman> thx. will poke through there tonight
2016-06-18T14:37:30 < dekar> upgrdman, http://www.soku.com/channel/teleplaylist_0_0_1009_1_1.html
2016-06-18T14:38:02 < dekar> They have lots of websites for that kind of stuff. Also check out youku.com, it's the biggest of them all.
2016-06-18T14:39:00 < dekar> upgrdman, where are you right now? I'm in Chengdu, Sichuan.
2016-06-18T14:43:23 < upgrdman> shanghai
2016-06-18T14:45:01 < upgrdman> i know of youku but all this shits in chinese :) and i can read maybe 50 chinese words
2016-06-18T14:45:29 < ReadError> i know youku doesnt play worth a shit in the USA
2016-06-18T14:45:45 < ReadError> it will take a few minutes to start and be super shitty still
2016-06-18T14:47:25 < dekar> That's still better than using Youtube from China ;)
2016-06-18T14:47:45 < upgrdman> +1
2016-06-18T14:47:54 < ReadError> how can china be so advanced but have such shitty internet
2016-06-18T14:48:00 < upgrdman> its intentional
2016-06-18T14:48:10 < dekar> Domestic internet is quite fast.
2016-06-18T14:48:17 < upgrdman> they heavily filter, and cripple it, to discourage outside activity
2016-06-18T14:48:25 < upgrdman> ya
2016-06-18T14:48:30 < ReadError> do they not let google stand up a datacenter?
2016-06-18T14:48:32 < upgrdman> china has a decent INTRAnet.
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2016-06-18T14:48:36 < dekar> upgrdman, are you staying for long? I'll probably spend most of the rest of this year here.
2016-06-18T14:48:39 < upgrdman> their internet is kinda a joke
2016-06-18T14:48:47 < upgrdman> dekar, ~2 months
2016-06-18T14:49:13 < upgrdman> and i've been here before, for a total of 3 months over hte last year
2016-06-18T14:49:34 < upgrdman> ReadError, they block google
2016-06-18T14:49:38 < upgrdman> like specifically
2016-06-18T14:49:45 < ReadError> oh heh
2016-06-18T14:49:47 < upgrdman> no google, youtube, facebook, twitter, etc.
2016-06-18T14:50:00 < upgrdman> nothing google, no external social media
2016-06-18T14:50:10 < dekar> upgrdman, seems like we're in similar situations, though for me it has been 7-8 months so far.
2016-06-18T14:50:20 < ReadError> what kind of blocks
2016-06-18T14:50:22 < ReadError> DNS ?
2016-06-18T14:50:25 < ReadError> or IP
2016-06-18T14:50:28 < upgrdman> both
2016-06-18T14:50:45 < ReadError> TOR work?
2016-06-18T14:50:56 < upgrdman> easy to bypass, but still, the international links are SLOW and more importantly, they drop packets all the fucking time
2016-06-18T14:51:04 < upgrdman> dunno. i use openvpn+stunnel
2016-06-18T14:51:10 < ReadError> ahh yea guess its still shitty over the pipe
2016-06-18T14:51:11 < upgrdman> works on my laptop and my phone
2016-06-18T14:51:29 < dekar> The GFW is quite complicated. It randomly screens connections and triggers weird detection algorithms. All my SSH servers get brute forced by Chinese IPs every time I log in.
2016-06-18T14:51:33 < upgrdman> gtg, be back in ~1hr
2016-06-18T14:52:15 < ReadError> how slow is it
2016-06-18T14:52:22 < ReadError> from usa -> cn
2016-06-18T14:52:23 < ReadError> download
2016-06-18T14:52:39 < dekar> ReadError, packet loss is usually between 0.5% and 70%.
2016-06-18T14:52:49 < dekar> Depends on the time of day.
2016-06-18T14:53:08 < ReadError> lol so whats that come out to
2016-06-18T14:54:18 < dekar> Speeds can be anywhere between several Mbit/s and can't even keep TCP connections open.
2016-06-18T14:54:58 < ReadError> is there any kind of proxy/tunnel designed for such conditions?
2016-06-18T14:55:18 < dekar> Satellite phones :)
2016-06-18T14:55:35 < ReadError> figured that would be slow
2016-06-18T14:56:07 < dekar> Some links sometimes even drop all packets.
2016-06-18T14:56:43 < dekar> quadranet.com offer BGP optimised routes to China, but even that isn't magic.
2016-06-18T14:57:15 < ReadError> seems like there could be some use for a dedicated tunnel for shitty connections
2016-06-18T14:57:46 < ReadError> to atleast cache and make requrest to actual sites
2016-06-18T14:58:04 < dekar> If it gets really shitty then there's nothing you can do. I have seen pings of 30 seconds, or just plain 100% drop rates.
2016-06-18T14:58:44 < dekar> I don't even understand how switches can cache packets for 30s. I always assumed they all do cut-through switching.
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2016-06-18T15:01:57 < dekar> ReadError, http://pastebin.com/biNPkYnq
2016-06-18T15:02:37 < ReadError> is it only certain routes?
2016-06-18T15:02:41 < ReadError> or all traffic
2016-06-18T15:04:08 < dekar> Usually all are bad, sometimes some are a tad better. That's why QuadraNet is playing with BGP.
2016-06-18T15:06:02 < dekar> ReadError, they've told me: "There will /always/ be packet loss to/from China. It's amazing sometimes that
2016-06-18T15:06:03 < dekar> their citizens can participate in the global internet at times."
2016-06-18T15:06:31 < ReadError> yea seems like using a ton of different routes is the solution
2016-06-18T15:08:43 < dekar> ReadError, if you're willing to spend serious money you can probably just buy reliable pipes from their ISPs. I read China Telecom sells some premium QOS product meant for VoIP.
2016-06-18T15:09:30 < dekar> They're just all state owned and breaking foreign internet boosts local competition.
2016-06-18T15:10:43 < ReadError> nobody has made anything thats cheap and works?
2016-06-18T15:10:49 < ReadError> seems like it would be a hot seller
2016-06-18T15:11:52 < dekar> ReadError, Chinese people don't care. I heard foreign companies sometimes buy premium stuff from ISPs for their VPNs.
2016-06-18T15:12:26 < dekar> Most people here don't speak english, why would they need a VPN?
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2016-06-18T15:15:21 < ReadError> yea i guess
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2016-06-18T17:24:24 < aandrew> who was asking about psoc?
2016-06-18T17:24:36 < aandrew> oh ds2
2016-06-18T17:26:33 < aandrew> psoc has *no* DSP cores. it has some very rudimentary ALUs that you can coax into doing some interesting things, but the entire UDB datapath is 8 bits wide and there aren't nearly enough of them to do anything remotely interesting
2016-06-18T17:27:09 < aandrew> they basically tease you with it, wrap it all up in autogen code that is fucking piss-poor and hand it off to you much the same way that you hold your nose and hand off a dirty diaper to someone
2016-06-18T17:27:48 < aandrew> If you had say a hundred or two UDBs, they were 32-bit datapath and a Cortex-M4 it'd be something serious
2016-06-18T17:28:07 < aandrew> but as they are now they are mildly interesting and allow you to do some nice mixed signal work but that's about it
2016-06-18T17:29:34 < Laurenceb__> heh
2016-06-18T17:29:42 < Laurenceb__> that was my conclusion looking at psoc
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2016-06-18T17:59:21 < Tectu> wut
2016-06-18T17:59:35 < Tectu> one needs to register at ST these days to download cube?
2016-06-18T18:00:02 < Laurenceb__> each four cornered day, a cube
2016-06-18T18:03:20 < aandrew> Laurenceb__: I used psoc4/5 in a microscopy project. it worked out reasonably well, the UDBs did give us the ability to have like 6 I2C buses and so on but again, nothing terribly serious when it came to peripheral use
2016-06-18T18:03:51 < Laurenceb__> ah thats useful
2016-06-18T18:04:06 < Laurenceb__> it looked to me like there was nothing special over stm
2016-06-18T18:04:50 < ReadError> Tectu no
2016-06-18T18:04:53 < ReadError> they have hax
2016-06-18T18:05:17 < ReadError> view page source
2016-06-18T18:05:23 < ReadError> ctrl+f for .zip
2016-06-18T18:06:01 < Tectu> ReadError, thanks o/
2016-06-18T18:06:08 < ReadError> ReadError:	http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/software/sw_development_suite/00/22/e1/cf/b7/83/42/25/stm32cubemx.zip/files/stm32cubemx.zip/jcr:content/translations/en.stm32cubemx.zip
2016-06-18T18:06:17 < ReadError> [12:29:55] ReadError:	<script>
2016-06-18T18:06:17 < ReadError> [12:29:55] ReadError:	            var dlLinkAvailable = 'false';
2016-06-18T18:06:17 < ReadError> [12:29:55] ReadError:	</script>
2016-06-18T18:06:28 < ReadError> they actin shady
2016-06-18T18:07:19 < Tectu> I'll call some guy and complain on Monday
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2016-06-18T18:54:58 < aandrew> lol
2016-06-18T18:55:12 < aandrew> JTAG expert needed onsite in australia for 2 weeks. looking for like superstar jtag. $25/hr. lol
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2016-06-18T19:16:21 < englishman> with transportation or without
2016-06-18T19:18:03 < XTL> Call Dave
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2016-06-18T19:31:13 < Steffanx> so is the entire island watching soccer together now karlp ?
2016-06-18T19:32:10 < Steffanx> dave is too busy blogging.
2016-06-18T19:39:54 < karlp> GOAL!
2016-06-18T19:39:59 < karlp> fuck yeahh man.
2016-06-18T19:40:11 < karlp> everyone I know is either in france or at this festival.
2016-06-18T19:41:16 < karlp> and yeah, the games is on on festival too :)
2016-06-18T19:41:30 < karlp> I guess there's some tourists who aren't
2016-06-18T20:20:53 < Fleck> http://gooby.naurunappula.com/org/7e/57/7e57008686157c7c/0/1314253.mp4
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2016-06-18T20:55:17 < karlp> Fleck: think that was posted here a while ago, came froam a coal mine or something iirc.
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2016-06-18T21:22:06 < jpa-> i once saw a smoker's pc.. covered in tar-dust composite all around on the inside
2016-06-18T21:22:08 < jpa-> did not repair
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2016-06-18T21:31:09 < Thorn> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/241617/wires-from-car-battery-to-solenoid-catching-fire-after-connecting-a-second-solen
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2016-06-18T22:20:02 < dongs> PeterM: http://i.imgur.com/NqXFGFd.jpg using SOT23 fets, the DFN clones were completely useles lol
2016-06-18T22:20:12 < dongs> good thing made 2 different boards, one for SOT one for the dual dfn
2016-06-18T22:21:32 < dongs> 2.6A
2016-06-18T22:26:22 < Tectu> dat table... such chaos
2016-06-18T22:26:59 < dongs> lolz
2016-06-18T22:28:49 < Tectu> what happened to that FLIR, Mr. dongs?
2016-06-18T22:29:06 < dongs> it got pointed into hot air exhaust
2016-06-18T22:29:13 < dongs> screen-side
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2016-06-18T22:29:58 < Steffanx> lol
2016-06-18T22:31:56 < Tectu> and why/how did that happen? :D
2016-06-18T22:32:47 < Steffanx> pebkacing
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2016-06-18T22:37:10 < dongs> obviously
2016-06-18T22:37:36 < dongs> Tectu: see mess on desk, camera was somewehre in mess, hot air nozzle somewehre in teh middle of mess, machine got turned on, nozzle not noticed, camera burned
2016-06-18T22:37:39 < dongs> pretty ez
2016-06-18T22:38:05 < Tectu> well there you go. mess is your problem.
2016-06-18T22:38:36 < Thorn> I thought the previous owner did it and you got a really good price on it
2016-06-18T22:40:03 < dongs> naw
2016-06-18T22:40:33 < dongs> it was a pretyty decenet price and it got haxed but its hte older model wiht only 160x120 sensor
2016-06-18T22:40:36 < dongs> not the new e3
2016-06-18T22:41:50 < Steffanx> and you didnt even see dongs fapping paper Tectu?
2016-06-18T22:43:18 < dongs> ^_^
2016-06-18T22:44:22 < Tectu> hah :p
2016-06-18T22:47:54 < Steffanx> You use a 3d mouse for real dongs?
2016-06-18T22:48:21 < Steffanx> there is so much going on, on that photo. Like where are the key labels?
2016-06-18T22:49:09 < Steffanx> oh nevermind that
2016-06-18T22:49:41 < Thorn> http://www.daskeyboard.com/model-s-ultimate/
2016-06-18T22:51:05 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTG2amHSkXI why is this funny
2016-06-18T22:51:11 < dongs> this is ohsix-level entertainment
2016-06-18T22:52:28 < Steffanx> because true?
2016-06-18T22:52:37 < dongs> which part
2016-06-18T22:58:02 < Steffanx> it's has the same entertainment level as you and your ohsix obsession.
2016-06-18T23:00:17 < Taxman> after zano now ohsix?
2016-06-18T23:00:50 < dekar> Steffanx, dongs, 3d mice are pretty common for Altium, aren't they? They actually sent us an Altium branded Space Navigator with the license.
2016-06-18T23:01:59 < Steffanx> and freelancer Taxman
2016-06-18T23:02:41 < Steffanx> Not sure if common, but certainly handy tools.
2016-06-18T23:05:55 < dekar> I surely miss the mess on my desk. Don't have enough things to reproduce it here in CN. :/
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2016-06-18T23:08:18 < Steffanx> ebayers don't ship to china?
2016-06-18T23:08:54 < ReadError> they have taobao or w/e
2016-06-18T23:08:55 < dekar> They have Taobao, I'm still getting used to it.
2016-06-18T23:08:56 < ReadError> even better
2016-06-18T23:09:13 < ReadError> but you need to know chinese to use it
2016-06-18T23:09:18 < ReadError> pretty much
2016-06-18T23:10:45 < ReadError> bhiner is kewl tho
2016-06-18T23:12:50 < dekar> I bought a tiny electric bicycle on Taobao, which is surprisingly fun.
2016-06-18T23:13:14 < dekar> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/IMG_20160530_111743.jpg
2016-06-18T23:13:21 < dekar> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/IMG_20160530_111824.jpg
2016-06-18T23:14:29 < Steffanx> Nice bike :)
2016-06-18T23:17:36 < Tectu> found dongs (nsfw?)  https://vid.pr0gramm.com/2016/06/18/b90bf6271315b9f4.mp4
2016-06-18T23:18:07 < Steffanx> You disappoint me mr Tectu
2016-06-18T23:19:39 < Thorn> why is everybody moving to China
2016-06-18T23:20:00 < Steffanx> they all have fancy bosses
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2016-06-19T00:16:04 < jadew> anyone has these probes? http://ro.farnell.com/keysight-technologies/u8201a/combo-test-lead-kit/dp/1714842
2016-06-19T00:17:11 < jadew> they look interesting, but I'm not sure how practical they are
2016-06-19T00:18:25 < kakimir> moving to china?
2016-06-19T00:18:37 < karlp> ohsix: you mean, gcc 6 is catching up with clang then? ;)
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2016-06-19T00:26:46 < kakimir> tell me about moving to china
2016-06-19T00:26:49 < kakimir> sounds fun
2016-06-19T00:49:53 < karlp> heh, porto 0-0 against austria.
2016-06-19T00:49:55 < dongs> that would be an autistic move
2016-06-19T00:50:02 < karlp> port might not even get out of group at this rate.
2016-06-19T00:56:29 < Steffanx> some countries didnt even make it to the group phase. :P
2016-06-19T00:57:06 < Thorn> suddenly another rtos https://bitbucket.org/dfrank/tneokernel
2016-06-19T00:57:39 < Steffanx> "This project was initially a fork of PIC32"
2016-06-19T00:58:15 < dongs> stopped rading there
2016-06-19T00:58:19 < dongs> reading, too
2016-06-19T00:58:27 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/XQTRQ6g.jpg typical american car
2016-06-19T00:58:56 < Steffanx> as a real russian that guy has a blog with a photo :)
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2016-06-19T01:04:17 < dongs> supports keil
2016-06-19T01:04:21 < dongs> instant boner points
2016-06-19T01:05:41 < Thorn> you haven't seen what a real photo looks like: https://metroui.org.ua/ -> https://metroui.org.ua/images/spface2.jpg
2016-06-19T01:06:20 < kakimir> anyone have anything bad say about sony xperia z5 compact?
2016-06-19T01:08:32 < dongs> yes, sony is trash
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2016-06-19T01:10:08 < dongs> typedef  unsigned int               TN_UWord;
2016-06-19T01:10:11 < dongs> god damn
2016-06-19T01:10:11 < dongs> wHY
2016-06-19T01:10:15 < dongs> fuck
2016-06-19T01:10:26 < dongs> the worst fucking thing is inventing bullshit types just for ~reasons~
2016-06-19T01:10:32 < dongs> use the shit from stdint.h you fucking retards
2016-06-19T01:10:51 < dongs> that typedef isnt even guaranteed anyway
2016-06-19T01:10:53 < Thorn> tell that to the win32 api devs
2016-06-19T01:11:17 < Thorn> HANDLE HWND SUCCEEDED()
2016-06-19T01:14:00 < dongs> https://bitbucket.org/dfrank/tneokernel/src/56a3cacc9e1d058095cc4d03481ebf60c321cb26/src/arch/cortex_m/tn_arch_cortex_m.S?at=default&fileviewer=file-view-default
2016-06-19T01:14:05 < dongs> damn that's some annoying #ifdefing
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2016-06-19T01:15:41 < dongs> anyway looks boring, i'd just use RTX for any new project cuz why bother with opensores shit when RTX works
2016-06-19T01:23:44 < Thorn> those #defines are actually good documentation on syntax differences between assemblers
2016-06-19T01:23:58 < dongs> there's only one assembler that matters
2016-06-19T01:24:04 < dongs> and thats the one in armcc
2016-06-19T01:24:08 < dongs> the rest can jsut fuck off :)
2016-06-19T01:24:13 < Thorn> and it costs $6000?
2016-06-19T01:24:22 < dongs> half that now
2016-06-19T01:24:26 < dongs> i think mdkplus is only 1.5k
2016-06-19T01:25:17 < dongs> h, nope
2016-06-19T01:26:05 < dongs> aroudn 2600 now.
2016-06-19T01:26:38 < dongs> im gonna tkae a nap
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2016-06-19T01:32:31 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/tNIcqyh
2016-06-19T01:33:09 < dongs> last i checked there was no 'h' in those words
2016-06-19T01:33:22 < kakimir> cuckkenhaim
2016-06-19T01:33:31 < dongs> unless thats the joke
2016-06-19T01:34:08 < Laurenceb__> http://hackaday.com/2016/06/18/easy-diy-telemetry-goes-the-distance/
2016-06-19T01:34:20 < Laurenceb__> interesting module, is that stm32 or 8 ?
2016-06-19T01:34:34 < dongs> thats 8S003
2016-06-19T01:34:37 < dongs> STM8S003
2016-06-19T01:34:44 < Laurenceb__> i see
2016-06-19T01:34:47 < Laurenceb__> range sucks tho
2016-06-19T01:36:34 < dongs> https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=cuckold%2C%20cuckolding%2C%20cuck
2016-06-19T01:37:07 < dongs> https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=cuckold%2C%20cuckolding%2C%20cuck%2C%20linux
2016-06-19T01:37:20 < Laurenceb__> lul Italy
2016-06-19T01:37:32 < dongs> haha
2016-06-19T01:38:00 < Steffanx> better go for that nap
2016-06-19T01:38:12 < dongs> agreed
2016-06-19T01:43:24 < Laurenceb__> dreams of cuckposting
2016-06-19T01:46:58 < Laurenceb__> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/4/41/Fbialtright.jpg/180px-Fbialtright.jpg
2016-06-19T01:47:35 < kakimir> I wonder if irl Laurenceb is tourettes
2016-06-19T01:48:07 < kakimir> can't help saying "cuck." to everybody
2016-06-19T01:49:08 < kakimir> or shouting it
2016-06-19T01:49:47 < Steffanx> haven't you seen the video of harry kakimir?
2016-06-19T01:50:04 < kakimir> yes
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2016-06-19T02:12:28 < karlp> heh, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OUruKhmk7E
2016-06-19T02:12:28 < jadew> I already knew what a cuckold is
2016-06-19T02:12:38 < jadew> what a waste of my time
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2016-06-19T02:38:35 < Laurenceb__> lul just received a job offer from someone I used to sit next to in lectures
2016-06-19T02:38:42 < Laurenceb__> clearly failing at life
2016-06-19T02:42:00 < karlp> heh, I got one of those less than a year after uni.
2016-06-19T02:42:15 < karlp> no idea what said person is doing now, don't care.
2016-06-19T02:42:56 < Laurenceb__> responsibilities include ... Celebrating Diversity ... Empowering women in the workplace ... Working toward Athena Swan guidelines and liaising with Stonewall to promote LGBT rights
2016-06-19T02:43:10  * Laurenceb__ puts on his work clothes and SJW mask
2016-06-19T02:45:09 < jadew> job offers are rarely insulting
2016-06-19T02:45:59 < Laurenceb__> I'm gunna have to change my name to Carl
2016-06-19T02:46:14 < karlp> spelling with a k is always kooler.
2016-06-19T02:46:27 < jadew> as a last name?
2016-06-19T02:46:34 < karlp> wat sort of job is that laurence?!
2016-06-19T02:46:35 < jadew> first name: Hot
2016-06-19T02:47:29 < jadew> karlp, by the sound of it, disturbing the peace and bothering people actually contributing to society, but I think he was joking
2016-06-19T02:47:31 < Laurenceb__> jadew: https://twitter.com/cuckcarl
2016-06-19T02:47:57 < Laurenceb__> karlp: research guy at some company, but they want you to do "outreach"
2016-06-19T02:48:52 < jadew> Laurenceb__, is that dongs' twitter account?
2016-06-19T02:48:53 < Laurenceb__> jadew:  disturbing the peace and bothering people actually contributing to society is my current job in irc
2016-06-19T02:48:56 < Laurenceb__> probably
2016-06-19T02:51:07 < Steffanx> maybe he you got the offer because you are failing at the horse job Laurenceb__?
2016-06-19T02:51:35 < Thorn> hey anal probing is not easy
2016-06-19T02:52:22 < Steffanx> Yeah always looks like a hard job when the Amazing Dr. Pol does it.
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2016-06-19T02:57:17 < aandrew> hmph. I can't seem to find the protocol spec for this IoT/home automation MyQ protocol (garage door openers, lights, etc.). it's 900MHz type shit
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2016-06-19T03:16:45 < jadew> there are too many people making movies
2016-06-19T03:17:03 < jadew> there's no other explanation for some of them being so stupid
2016-06-19T03:17:43 < Steffanx> must be horror.
2016-06-19T03:17:48 < jadew> sci-fi
2016-06-19T03:18:07 < jadew> comet approaches earth, everyone shoots at it with nukes, within seconds the nukes get to it but nothing happens
2016-06-19T03:18:18 < jadew> in the next frame they show how it passes past the moon
2016-06-19T03:18:57 < jadew> whoever directed the movie thinks that you can shoot something that's farther than the moon within seconds
2016-06-19T03:19:32 < jadew> the alien thing finally lands, lots of people at the landing site, including the news guys
2016-06-19T03:19:50 < jadew> and what does the news guy holding the camera do?
2016-06-19T03:20:01 < jadew> he points it down so he can watch in awe
2016-06-19T03:23:25 < jadew> saw another one earlier, where the plot was just irrational
2016-06-19T03:23:35 < jadew> "the purge"
2016-06-19T03:24:55 < Steffanx> 1 or 2 ?
2016-06-19T03:25:25 < jadew> first one
2016-06-19T03:26:14 < jadew> the reaction of the daughter was not natural at all
2016-06-19T03:26:30 < jadew> and there were several other weird things that nobody would do like that
2016-06-19T03:36:21 < Steffanx> the ENTIRE idea is stupid
2016-06-19T03:36:46 < jadew> of course, but I was willing to live with that
2016-06-19T03:36:51 < Steffanx> hah
2016-06-19T03:37:47 < kakimir> I wonder if there ever will be movie that Prometheus should have been
2016-06-19T03:38:40 < jadew> yeah, that one deserves a remake
2016-06-19T03:41:02 < aandrew> so freecancer update
2016-06-19T03:41:38 < aandrew> one project cancelled (dude just up and left without accepting anything), 6 projects are now multiple days past their end but no decisions made, and the rest are still in progress
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2016-06-19T04:06:11 < kakimir> totally typical
2016-06-19T04:09:27 < Laurenceb__> ohsix watches daily show
2016-06-19T04:09:32 < Laurenceb__> everything is explained
2016-06-19T04:09:53 < Laurenceb__>  "comedy"
2016-06-19T04:10:51 < Laurenceb__> proper comedy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcU7FaEEzNU
2016-06-19T04:16:08 < kakimir> how does this not break one's skull?
2016-06-19T04:38:56 < Laurenceb__> oh maybe I agree with you lol
2016-06-19T04:39:11 < Laurenceb__> I watched it once a weeks ago
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2016-06-19T05:17:37 < dongs> aandrew: sounds about right
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2016-06-19T05:18:06 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electronics/Build-iPhone-portable-charger-which/
2016-06-19T05:18:09 < dongs> here you go
2016-06-19T05:24:22 < aandrew> dongs: weird
2016-06-19T05:24:30 < aandrew> at least his budget isn't terrible
2016-06-19T05:24:42 < dongs> he doesnt say how LONG it needs to charge
2016-06-19T05:24:50 < dongs> youcan totally put a 100mAh lipo inside usb stick size
2016-06-19T05:25:50 < dongs> im down to 3 projects that i bid on that havent expired/cancelled yet
2016-06-19T05:26:07 < dongs> those are are 'closed' state
2016-06-19T05:26:32 < aandrew> dongs: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Factory-direct-020815-200815-9mAH-3-7V-ultra-small-Bluetooth-headset-batteries-lithium-polymer-battery/32453787293.html
2016-06-19T05:26:42 < dongs> haha
2016-06-19T05:27:07 < aandrew> I'm buying a bunch of those just to play with
2016-06-19T05:27:11 < aandrew> they're so tiny
2016-06-19T05:27:21 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/explode-in-your-ear/32453787293.html
2016-06-19T05:27:23 < dongs> way better
2016-06-19T05:27:26 < aandrew> 8x15mm
2016-06-19T05:27:45 < aandrew> lol
2016-06-19T05:27:53 < aandrew> I didn't realize the description part of hte URL could be anything
2016-06-19T05:28:16 < aandrew> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/goatse-cx-was-my-father/32453787293.html
2016-06-19T05:28:32 < aandrew> I wonder if anyone looks at the logs
2016-06-19T05:28:40 < dongs> haha did you scroll down
2016-06-19T05:28:43 < dongs> to company name
2016-06-19T05:28:46 < dongs> "good god, ltd"
2016-06-19T05:42:44 < dongs> anyway, those batts look good for that usb stick iphoen charger
2016-06-19T05:44:34 < aandrew> well
2016-06-19T05:45:59 < aandrew> my current opinion is that 90% of the shit on freelancer is people asking for things for free, 9% trolls, 0.9% people willing to put real money at it to develop but still not nearly enough and 0.1% realistic projects
2016-06-19T05:46:17 < dongs> a solid assesment
2016-06-19T05:46:53 < dongs> my favorite project was a guy asking for help setting up a sample XMOS project
2016-06-19T05:46:55 < aandrew> this is matched by 99.9% freecancer bidders saying they'll design complex systems for a hundred rupees in 3 days based on nonexistant specifications and the remaining 0.1% rolling their eyes and trying to actually do something
2016-06-19T05:47:02 < dongs> and i joke-bid 30bux with a "i'll tellyou why notto use xmos for free"
2016-06-19T05:47:10 < dongs> and he actually paid me 30bux for it
2016-06-19T05:47:16 < dongs> i just told him to use F429-nucleo
2016-06-19T05:47:21 < aandrew> haha nice
2016-06-19T05:47:23 < dongs> cuz he wanted some io, ethernet, and usb host/otg
2016-06-19T05:47:45 < aandrew> there is someone on freechoad using xmos with ethernet
2016-06-19T05:48:10 < dongs> i dont thikn even pakis are that dumb
2016-06-19T05:50:12 < aandrew> haha
2016-06-19T05:50:20 < aandrew> what's the hardest thing about rollerblading? telling your parents that you're gay
2016-06-19T05:51:28 < Lux> ohsix: do you have one allready ?
2016-06-19T05:51:51 < Lux> i ordered that cheap gsm module yesterday
2016-06-19T05:52:42 < Lux> lol
2016-06-19T05:56:14 < Lux> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Smart-Electronics-GPRS-module-GSM-module-A6-SMS-Speech-board-wireless-data-transmission-adapter-plate/32650461267.html
2016-06-19T05:57:10 < Lux> not exactly the same, but i guess the module is similarish
2016-06-19T05:57:12 < Lux> nope
2016-06-19T05:57:35 < Lux> and they'll never have paypal i guess
2016-06-19T05:57:49 < Lux> trying to push alipay
2016-06-19T05:58:13 < Lux> probably
2016-06-19T06:00:35 < dongs> the fuck is ohsix gonna do with a gsm module
2016-06-19T06:00:43 < dongs> just assburger over it while thinking of BDSL files
2016-06-19T06:00:50 < dongs> autistic fuck
2016-06-19T06:08:06 < aandrew> that is a cheap gsm module
2016-06-19T06:08:58 < aandrew> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Smart-Electronics-GPRS-module-GSM-module-A6-SMS-Speech-board-wireless-data-transmission/32652807006.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.26.8hksE7&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_0,searchweb201602_3_10037_10017_507_10032,searchweb201603_10&btsid=3a1da005-0dd2-44f6-8b47-62418e38158a
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2016-06-19T06:11:13 < jadew> holly smokes, that's cheap
2016-06-19T06:12:17 < emeb_mac> https://twitter.com/skamille/status/744330660664512512
2016-06-19T06:16:05 < jadew> I don't get it either
2016-06-19T06:21:15 < dongs> twatter
2016-06-19T06:22:20 < dongs> RIP xpicowifi
2016-06-19T06:24:28 < aandrew> I've got a design using the telit HE910 and LE910 modules
2016-06-19T06:24:31 < aandrew> (HSPA and LTE)
2016-06-19T06:24:42 < aandrew> a little faster than GPRS, heh
2016-06-19T06:26:55 < dongs> but i bet it wasnt $2.39
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2016-06-19T06:33:29 < aandrew> yeah it definitely wasn't $2.39
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2016-06-19T07:09:05 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/gallery/fyZLbMx
2016-06-19T07:23:11 < ReadError> http://www.newvape.com/standard-errlpress-package/
2016-06-19T07:23:18 < ReadError> such a hustle
2016-06-19T07:23:33 < ReadError> some steel disk, heating elements, cheap press
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2016-06-19T07:31:38 < dongs> what the fuckis that
2016-06-19T07:32:12 < dongs> heh speaking of vapes
2016-06-19T07:32:19 < dongs> since when do airlines say "no smoking including e-cigaretees"
2016-06-19T07:32:23 < dongs> last time i flew they didnt say that
2016-06-19T07:33:27 < dongs> As of October 2015, the USDOT prohibits the use of electronic cigarettes on flights, as well as such devices from being transported in checked luggage.
2016-06-19T07:33:30 < dongs> oh
2016-06-19T07:33:33 < dongs> intersting
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2016-06-19T07:39:29 < ReadError> yea
2016-06-19T07:39:31 < ReadError> carry on but cant use
2016-06-19T07:39:38 < ReadError> they also leak everywhere
2016-06-19T07:39:44 < ReadError> with the pressure changes heh
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2016-06-19T08:21:06 < englishman> $1800 for a floor jack 2ton press wtf is that even for
2016-06-19T08:21:21 < dongs> getting stoned
2016-06-19T08:21:25 < englishman> I'm glad that idiots can easily part with their money tho
2016-06-19T08:21:43 < dongs> should get into vaping biz
2016-06-19T08:21:53 < dongs> $5 of parts for $240
2016-06-19T08:45:38 < ReadError> damn this DAS to DAS migration in vmware is flying, 470MB/s
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2016-06-19T13:41:33 < Lux> ohsix: does it even support murican gsm frequencies ?
2016-06-19T13:42:28 < Lux> In North America, GSM operates on the primary mobile communication bands 850 MHz and 1900 MHz. In Canada, GSM-1900 is the primary band used in urban areas with 850 as a backup, and GSM-850 being the primary rural band. In the United States, regulatory requirements determine which area can use which band.
2016-06-19T13:42:39 < Lux> so no ?
2016-06-19T13:43:00 < Lux> 900 1800 is europe iirc
2016-06-19T13:44:33 < jpa-> 1800 is LTE here
2016-06-19T13:45:34 < Lux> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands
2016-06-19T13:45:59 < Lux> pretty sure you are doing it wrong
2016-06-19T13:49:48 < Lux> dunno how it can be any more clear: http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
2016-06-19T13:50:01 < Lux> you wasted 3$ or whatever
2016-06-19T13:50:47 < Lux> cause 900/1800 is 3g ?
2016-06-19T13:54:17 < ReadError> i have a few china GPS, all work fine w/ at&t pre-paid
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2016-06-19T13:58:21 < Lux> see :P
2016-06-19T13:58:49 < Lux> as fas as i see it there is 590 for usa and 590E for europe/asia
2016-06-19T13:58:59 < Lux> *far
2016-06-19T13:59:40 < Lux> shipping will be a lot more at that price
2016-06-19T14:00:43 < Lux> only the chinese get super cheap subsidized international shipping
2016-06-19T14:02:28 < ReadError> ohsix hold
2016-06-19T14:03:22 < ReadError> https://photos.smugmug.com/Quads/i-NZ9srzf/0/X3/CA_07171423540532-X3.jpg
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2016-06-19T14:03:37 < ReadError> https://photos.smugmug.com/Quads/i-nt94HQh/0/X3/CA_07171423535842-X3.jpg
2016-06-19T14:03:42 < ReadError> pretty well made for the 20$
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2016-06-19T14:04:24 < ReadError> ya thats what this is
2016-06-19T14:04:29 < ReadError> i txt it, it gives me gps
2016-06-19T14:04:34 < ReadError> for recovery etc
2016-06-19T14:04:48 < ReadError> but it has a GSM module
2016-06-19T14:05:34 < ReadError> you can hook up a mic
2016-06-19T14:05:36 < ReadError> ;p
2016-06-19T14:05:44 < ReadError> pads for it
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2016-06-19T14:09:04 < ReadError> this board is actually made for cars
2016-06-19T14:09:10 < ReadError> you can disable the starter etc remotely
2016-06-19T14:09:36 < ReadError> https://photos.smugmug.com/Quads/i-kGPS8p4/0/X3/CA_07111405190272-X3.jpg
2016-06-19T14:09:46 < ReadError> https://photos.smugmug.com/Quads/i-vZVNFdh/0/X3/CA_07111405185340-X3.jpg
2016-06-19T14:09:50 < ReadError> that one there was garbage
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2016-06-19T14:20:55 < ReadError> I need a big ass electrical switch
2016-06-19T14:21:06 < ReadError> like a giant fet
2016-06-19T14:21:15 < ReadError> or a bunch
2016-06-19T14:21:37 < ReadError> yea even with the antispark shit
2016-06-19T14:21:42 < ReadError> it arcs really bad
2016-06-19T14:21:47 < ReadError> connectors already look like shit
2016-06-19T14:22:03 < ReadError> what does?
2016-06-19T14:22:22 < ReadError> well i wanted to be able to use the fets as an emergency kill
2016-06-19T14:22:30 < ReadError> so i figured i would do a latching circuit
2016-06-19T14:22:47 < ReadError> push button
2016-06-19T14:23:01 < Lux> ReadError: got a link to those tracking modules ?
2016-06-19T14:26:05 < ReadError> Lux TK115 GPS
2016-06-19T14:26:13 < Lux> thanks
2016-06-19T14:26:15 < ReadError> my original link is dead
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2016-06-19T14:27:20 < ReadError> thers also pads for driving a relay
2016-06-19T14:27:24 < ReadError> 2 different ones
2016-06-19T14:27:30 < ReadError> which is pretty handy
2016-06-19T14:30:01 < ReadError> http://www.eelinktech.com/tk119-w-3g-vehicle-tracking-system-waterproof-compatible-with-3g-wcdma-2gnetworks/
2016-06-19T14:30:02 < ReadError> oh neat
2016-06-19T14:30:05 < ReadError> 3g support
2016-06-19T14:31:15 < Steffanx> but i dont need 100pcs
2016-06-19T14:31:23 < ReadError> http://www.eelinktech.com/new-3g-network-gps-tracker-3g-car-tracker-small-size-awith-a-extend-io-port-ip67-waterproof/
2016-06-19T14:31:27 < ReadError> thats the one to get
2016-06-19T14:31:31 < ReadError> 3 inputs, 2 outputs
2016-06-19T14:31:32 < ReadError> 3g
2016-06-19T14:31:51 < kakimir> remember those do not have gps
2016-06-19T14:32:26 < kakimir> also rely on some chinese server to produce location information
2016-06-19T14:32:27 < Steffanx> lies kakimir.
2016-06-19T14:33:36 < kakimir> I got one few years back and it didn't have anything gps in it
2016-06-19T14:33:44 < kakimir> cheapest one of course
2016-06-19T14:34:07 < Steffanx> then you bought the wrong one, the page pretty clearly mentions gps
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2016-06-19T14:34:38 < kakimir> they mentioned gps on header but not anywhere else
2016-06-19T14:35:00 < kakimir> when I asked if there was gps they didn't confirm gps
2016-06-19T14:35:03 < ReadError> kakimir some dont have GPS
2016-06-19T14:35:06 < ReadError> plenty do.
2016-06-19T14:35:12 < ReadError> if its 7$ it doesnt...
2016-06-19T14:35:13 < kakimir> then I took my money back
2016-06-19T14:35:31 < kakimir> and threw it in trash bin
2016-06-19T14:35:43 < ReadError> I dont understand the remote 'oil cut' feature
2016-06-19T14:35:50 < ReadError> unless you just want to destroy your shit
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2016-06-19T14:36:34 < kakimir> they probably ment it to be cut for fuel oil
2016-06-19T14:39:33 < kakimir> butt on oil light
2016-06-19T14:40:11 < kakimir> and see it not stopping or even slowing down
2016-06-19T14:40:24 < kakimir> propably just going faster
2016-06-19T14:41:22 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Heckendorn
2016-06-19T14:44:02 < kakimir> blame google
2016-06-19T14:48:15 < Steffanx> kakimir's wife
2016-06-19T14:51:29 < Steffanx> You better read the about page of the channel.
2016-06-19T14:52:37 < Steffanx> Country: finland
2016-06-19T14:56:15 < Steffanx> shouldn't you have started doing that hours ago? :P
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2016-06-19T15:05:10 < ReadError> i need a PeterM
2016-06-19T15:11:23 < Steffanx> You'll better find one then.
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2016-06-19T15:29:03 < Rob235> good morning everyone
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2016-06-19T15:47:12 < ReadError> Rob235 did you fly your stonerdrone
2016-06-19T15:47:32 < Rob235> no, taking a break from working on it.
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2016-06-19T15:48:16 < Thorn> someone is using your workbed?
2016-06-19T15:49:07 < Rob235> ?
2016-06-19T15:49:46 < Thorn> the drone was on a bed in all pictures
2016-06-19T15:49:57 < Rob235> haha yea, I guess it is my workbed
2016-06-19T15:50:14 < Rob235> but no, the drone is completely built, just have to test the software
2016-06-19T15:51:44 < Rob235> and a couple little things to finish, like fixing units in my pid controller
2016-06-19T15:52:37 < Rob235> but I fell a bit behind in school so I'm playing catch up
2016-06-19T15:54:59 < ReadError> isnt it summer?
2016-06-19T15:55:06 < ReadError> see told you to stop dicking with those LEDs
2016-06-19T15:55:18 < Rob235> my online university has semesters starting every month
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2016-06-19T16:54:09 < Laurenceb__> Walking past a Starbucks and seeing rows of dyed hair dykes chatting to their awkward uncanny valley lifesize male robodolls charging from the wall sockets, kind of looking like Ken had a baby with Max Headroom. That's the future.
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2016-06-19T17:49:15 < Steffanx> walking outside? Such joke.
2016-06-19T17:55:40 < emeb_mac> UK life
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2016-06-19T18:31:52 < aandrew> attn dongs: https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Skilled-Instrumentation-erection/
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2016-06-19T18:55:21 < Laurenceb__> Hitachi
2016-06-19T19:00:28 < Rob235> I just got myself a 4tb wd
2016-06-19T19:02:51 < Laurenceb__> wut the heck
2016-06-19T19:03:12 < Laurenceb__> I just got a job offer to work in London, UKP30k/yr
2016-06-19T19:03:32 < Laurenceb__> u wat m8
2016-06-19T19:05:13 < aandrew> is that a good salary in London? sounds like indentured servitude
2016-06-19T19:06:26 < Lux> seems pretty low considering how much living in london costs
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2016-06-19T19:07:46 < Laurenceb__> its shit tier
2016-06-19T19:09:08 < Laurenceb__> http://gifyu.com/images/barre.gif
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2016-06-19T19:19:50 < Steffanx> hitatchi/hgst seems to be the shit Rob235
2016-06-19T19:19:54 < Steffanx> * R2COM
2016-06-19T19:23:30 < Steffanx> https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-stats-q1-2016/ sadly no 6TB disks from toshiba or hgst.
2016-06-19T19:24:18 < Rob235> what color?
2016-06-19T19:24:42 < Rob235> nice
2016-06-19T19:24:53 < Rob235> I went with red because it's just a media server
2016-06-19T19:29:32 < Steffanx> everyone must have a hobby.
2016-06-19T19:38:53 < Rob235> it keeps me busy ;)
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2016-06-19T19:53:55 < karlp> I thought the OCD shelving and labelling of your vape supplies kept you busy?
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2016-06-19T20:09:33 < Laurenceb__> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/16/lester_haines_obituary/
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2016-06-19T20:09:40 < Laurenceb__> no more Lohan :-/
2016-06-19T20:13:37 < Steffanx> so clone the project and make it lauhan.
2016-06-19T20:16:03 < karlp> Laurenceb__: was that dude _inside_ the wooden cable reel on the hill?
2016-06-19T20:16:16 < Laurenceb__> yes
2016-06-19T20:17:05 < Laurenceb__> there were 2 dudes
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2016-06-19T21:20:06 < Tectu> Laurenceb, Laurenceb__
2016-06-19T21:20:09 < Tectu> ist his good shit?  http://www.rapidonline.com/
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2016-06-19T21:22:37 < Laurenceb__> they have one or two useful parts
2016-06-19T21:22:51 < Laurenceb__> its more of a raspberry pi tier store
2016-06-19T21:29:04 < Tectu> thanks
2016-06-19T21:35:51 < Steffanx>  Don't do it Tectu
2016-06-19T21:36:44 < Steffanx> http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/other/cspy/stm32.html damn its clear who is mr ##stm32 and who the outsiders are.
2016-06-19T21:37:36 < Tectu> everybody loves dongs
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2016-06-19T21:50:26 < Laurenceb__> lul I cause gcc
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2016-06-19T23:16:30 < ReadError> TIL this is a thing http://www.aliexpress.com/item/3PCS-Pci-e-Express-Extender-Riser-Card-1x-to-16x-High-Speed-USB-3-0-Cable/1653694177.html
2016-06-19T23:22:22 < karlp> that's a buttcoin miner device isn't it
2016-06-19T23:22:27 < karlp> oh yeah, in the details :)
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2016-06-19T23:22:53 < ReadError> didnt think that was even possible
2016-06-19T23:24:24 < karlp> it's bnecase the pcix buttcoin miner asic cards are 16x, but only use the usb line
2016-06-19T23:24:27 < karlp> +power or something
2016-06-19T23:24:42 < karlp> this has been posted here a few times before, I think dongs was laughing at the setup a couple of years ago
2016-06-19T23:24:57 < PeterM> usb 3 has enough diff pairs for pci-e 1x
2016-06-19T23:25:10 < PeterM> you can also use HDMI cables
2016-06-19T23:26:57 < ReadError> trying to find a decent SATA backplane
2016-06-19T23:27:10 < ReadError> figured some chinamen would have made one for this by now
2016-06-19T23:27:16 < PeterM> there is one
2016-06-19T23:27:25 < ReadError> the 1->5 ?
2016-06-19T23:27:46 < ReadError> I mean like 15+ sata to SAS
2016-06-19T23:27:53 < PeterM> are you looking for sata -> sata and like a cage or a propper backplane?
2016-06-19T23:28:07 < PeterM> propper backp[lanes dont exzist for sata
2016-06-19T23:28:16 < PeterM> you gotta buy sad backplanes fgt
2016-06-19T23:28:18 < ReadError> oh ya with enclosures ofc
2016-06-19T23:28:24 < PeterM> *sas
2016-06-19T23:28:38 < ReadError> but the bitch with enclosures is, most 2nd hand ones are missing the fucking trays
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2016-06-19T23:35:08 < Lux> ReadError: a friend of mine used that stuff to build a wpa cracking machine
2016-06-19T23:35:43 < Lux> do you even get more buttcoin with graphics cards these days than it costs you in electricity ?
2016-06-19T23:35:52 < Lux> with all the asic stuff
2016-06-19T23:38:53 < ReadError> i think GPU stuff has been unprofitable for a while
2016-06-19T23:40:04 < Lux> http://www.vnbitcoin.org/bitcoincalculator.php
2016-06-19T23:40:07 < Lux> crazy stuff
2016-06-19T23:41:09 < PeterM> still profitable if you steal the electricity
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2016-06-19T23:46:09 < BrainDamage> it's even more profitable if you steal directly the bitcoins
2016-06-19T23:46:13 < Rob235> why did btc jump up so high this month
2016-06-19T23:47:40 < ReadError> china apparently?
2016-06-19T23:47:59 < Rob235> what about it?
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2016-06-19T23:55:06 < kakimir> time to order shiet
2016-06-19T23:59:33 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-FPV-Phone-Holder-Clamp-Monitor-Mount-for-RC-Transmitter-/122006025054 here it goes
2016-06-19T23:59:55 < kakimir> phone is nicest FPV monitor I bet
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2016-06-20T00:01:10 < kakimir> capture dongle
2016-06-20T00:02:55 < kakimir> AV dongle you know?
2016-06-20T00:03:08 < kakimir> there is android AIDS for such
2016-06-20T00:03:24 < kakimir> usb otg
2016-06-20T00:05:38 < Rob235> is now a good time to buy a couple bitcoins?
2016-06-20T00:05:41 < Lux> sounds like a great idea ;)
2016-06-20T00:05:56 < Lux> fpv stuff ^
2016-06-20T00:06:54 < kakimir> I wonder if customs have arrested my transmitter
2016-06-20T00:07:16 < kakimir> *confescated
2016-06-20T00:07:25 < kakimir> receiver came 2weeks ago
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2016-06-20T00:12:13 < Rob235> :)
2016-06-20T00:13:06 < kakimir> and why dongs resides in jippon?
2016-06-20T00:15:51 < jadew> I always have butterflies when I'm about to place an order
2016-06-20T00:16:00 < jadew> I just know I forgot to add something
2016-06-20T00:16:07 < jadew> and I'll figure it out a couple of hours later
2016-06-20T00:16:21 < kakimir> also paying money hurts?
2016-06-20T00:16:43 < jadew> paying for shipping is the part that hurts the most
2016-06-20T00:17:31 < Rob235> market?
2016-06-20T00:17:47 < jadew> farnell has good rates tho, but I still don't like paying for shipping
2016-06-20T00:18:56 < kakimir> paying like hundred euros of shipping is when it really starts to hurt feelings
2016-06-20T00:19:17 < kakimir> for something not really big or hazardous
2016-06-20T00:19:42 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZ1c5dmRGRnVmbTQ/view?usp=sharing oven update
2016-06-20T00:20:10 < jadew> what sort of oven?
2016-06-20T00:20:27 < kakimir> weight scale swing arms
2016-06-20T00:20:50 < kakimir> bearings not in photo
2016-06-20T00:21:38 < kakimir> weight scale elements are placed in the hole in middle
2016-06-20T00:22:05 < jadew> what is it for?
2016-06-20T00:22:39 < kakimir> and arms are suspended to them with tense pull springs for not breaking them elements
2016-06-20T00:23:02 < kakimir> bicycle frames, motorcycle frames, wheels
2016-06-20T00:23:19 < kakimir> engine blocks, machine parts
2016-06-20T00:23:35 < jadew> why do you put them in an oven?
2016-06-20T00:23:40 < kakimir> paint
2016-06-20T00:23:41 < jadew> chemical treatment?
2016-06-20T00:23:45 < jadew> got it
2016-06-20T00:23:47 < kakimir> plastic coat
2016-06-20T00:24:31 < kakimir> added weight scale as purelly techical detail
2016-06-20T00:24:56 < kakimir> maybe it could altenate PID controller sligthly
2016-06-20T00:25:11 < jadew> although, weight has little to do with surface
2016-06-20T00:25:36 < kakimir> you still need to warm it whole mass throughtly
2016-06-20T00:25:40 < jadew> true
2016-06-20T00:29:11 < kakimir> just asked friend to order some one inch air hose
2016-06-20T00:29:22 < kakimir> for sandblasting
2016-06-20T00:30:59 < kakimir> normal hose with quick fittings just doesn't work
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2016-06-20T00:35:05 < kakimir> sands just falls out of blasting gun nozzle in arc like *bhew*
2016-06-20T00:35:23 < kakimir> hits object and does nothing
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2016-06-20T01:04:14 < dongs> sup freelancers
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2016-06-20T01:48:05 < Rob235> sup dongsmall
2016-06-20T01:51:45 < dongs> bloggin
2016-06-20T01:51:52 < dongs> satellite internet down again
2016-06-20T01:54:08 < kakimir> satellite what?
2016-06-20T01:54:12 < kakimir> where are you?
2016-06-20T01:56:06 < kakimir> turn on torrenz and cloud synchronization
2016-06-20T01:56:51 < Fleck> no satellites, flat earth, you know? :D
2016-06-20T01:57:17 < dongs> im uploading a pic but ti'll be a while
2016-06-20T01:58:28 < kakimir> dick pic
2016-06-20T01:59:13 < kakimir> suprise them girls on your contact list
2016-06-20T02:00:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/NyiZw0P.jpg
2016-06-20T02:02:22 < kakimir> your upload?
2016-06-20T02:02:31 < dongs> not yet
2016-06-20T02:02:33 < dongs> still going
2016-06-20T02:03:39 < dongs> it keeps fucking failing
2016-06-20T02:03:41 < dongs> piece of fucking trash
2016-06-20T02:03:51 < dongs> and wasting my upload bytes
2016-06-20T02:04:31 < dongs> haha its 24 megs
2016-06-20T02:04:34 < dongs> no fucking wonder
2016-06-20T02:05:57 < kakimir> you uploading .raw?
2016-06-20T02:09:02 < dongs> no but it was like 18880x234234 pixels
2016-06-20T02:09:20 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/axHos4yr.jpg
2016-06-20T02:09:55 < kakimir> what is that?
2016-06-20T02:10:20 < dongs> a 1360x216 jpeg file
2016-06-20T02:10:32 < dongs> hosted on imgur.com
2016-06-20T02:11:30 < kakimir> needs more pizels
2016-06-20T02:11:43 < dongs> i resized it to 5000x
2016-06-20T02:11:46 < dongs> imgur disagreed
2016-06-20T02:12:18 < dongs> gonna try sli.mg
2016-06-20T02:12:58 < dongs> https://i.sli.mg/xj1aZr.jpg looks like this didnt get resized
2016-06-20T02:14:38 < Laurenceb__> http://imgur.com/gallery/GrAiE
2016-06-20T02:15:02 < kakimir> even without bixels I can tell landscape that is closerto poles than equator
2016-06-20T02:15:13 < kakimir> you live in those cabins?
2016-06-20T02:15:24 < kakimir> house and sauna?
2016-06-20T02:22:03 < kakimir> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Paratiisikuru.jpg lapland
2016-06-20T02:31:58 < dongs> 41 minutes?
2016-06-20T02:31:59 < dongs> fuck off
2016-06-20T02:32:48 < kakimir> is it jippon or chinese?
2016-06-20T02:33:11 < dongs> looks chink
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2016-06-20T02:45:13 < kakimir> true
2016-06-20T02:46:07 < jadew> are japanese chicks that hot?
2016-06-20T02:46:26 < jadew> is that like... the regular level of hotness in Japan?
2016-06-20T02:46:35 < dongs> is there autism in progress?
2016-06-20T02:46:45 < dongs> ohsix is idle. who are you talkign to jadew ?
2016-06-20T02:46:50 < jadew> you
2016-06-20T02:46:55 < jadew> and R2COM
2016-06-20T02:46:57 < dongs> whats the context?
2016-06-20T02:46:59 < jadew> he posted that video
2016-06-20T02:47:01 < dongs> r2com linked some chinese garbage
2016-06-20T02:47:10 < dongs> i wasnt gonna wtch it on satellite internet
2016-06-20T02:47:16 < jadew> ah, then I should visit China
2016-06-20T02:47:24 < dongs> there was no hotness involved from the thumbnail
2016-06-20T02:48:14 < jadew> seed for when I go to sleep and I dream
2016-06-20T02:48:52 < jadew> I dreamt about dongs once
2016-06-20T02:48:54 < jadew> he had no face tho
2016-06-20T02:49:08 < dongs> mmm
2016-06-20T02:49:08 < dongs> dongs
2016-06-20T02:49:51 < jadew> yeah, I was looking for some documentation, he told me where to find it
2016-06-20T02:50:04 < jadew> he was going at the same highschool my g/f was in
2016-06-20T02:50:13 < jadew> cool dream, I was in highschool
2016-06-20T02:51:42 < jadew> why?
2016-06-20T02:51:45 < kakimir> R2COM: https://somethingswedish.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/mask.jpg there was this goat head thing before kind old man with good appereace
2016-06-20T02:52:33 < kakimir> in swedish "julbock"
2016-06-20T02:52:40 < kakimir> in finnish "joulupukki"
2016-06-20T02:53:25 < kakimir> meaning christmas buck
2016-06-20T02:55:18 < kakimir> word is still use but now for santa we all know from cocacola commercial
2016-06-20T02:55:39 < jadew> holly crap, it's a 40 minutes thing, I was still waiting for something to happen
2016-06-20T02:55:58 < jadew> R2COM, is that a full movie?
2016-06-20T02:56:08 < jadew> why did you link it?
2016-06-20T02:56:28 < jadew> ok, I'll sit through more of it then
2016-06-20T02:56:41 < jadew> I just got past the part where that guy was rubbing those girls with oil
2016-06-20T02:56:49 < jadew> that was the best part so far
2016-06-20T02:57:56 < jadew> alright
2016-06-20T02:58:20 < jadew> got to 7:15
2016-06-20T02:58:22 < jadew> I'm hooked
2016-06-20T02:59:09 < kakimir> R2COM: at least in our family tradition is to have bad looking, terrible sounding santa claus that makes children to go in shock or even cry a little as he walks in house
2016-06-20T02:59:56 < jadew> kakimir, what are you talking about?
2016-06-20T03:00:01 < jadew> that's how santa was for me too
2016-06-20T03:00:33 < kakimir> and especially when he asks children to sit on his lap
2016-06-20T03:00:36 < jadew> scared the crap out of me and always left me in tears
2016-06-20T03:00:58 < jadew> eventually they started using him as the bad guy
2016-06-20T03:01:03 < jadew> "santa got your bottle"
2016-06-20T03:01:17 < jadew> "oh well, I don't want to fuck with santa, so he can keep it"
2016-06-20T03:02:44 < jadew> this is a great movie R2COM
2016-06-20T03:03:44 < jadew> I wish I understood what they're saying
2016-06-20T03:11:08 < kakimir> R2COM: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EHwZLfXb5pA/UqycVwqcjUI/AAAAAAAACKg/2Kd1J9-naWQ/s1600/PUKKI+BARN.jpg
2016-06-20T03:11:13 < jadew> with the nude mod?
2016-06-20T03:11:19 < dongs> do you paly kikerim on your AMD
2016-06-20T03:11:42 < jadew> R2COM, that's the only reason I bought that game
2016-06-20T03:11:45 < dongs> AMD GPU i mean
2016-06-20T03:11:50 < jadew> I don't even know what the purpose is
2016-06-20T03:13:48 < jadew> probably
2016-06-20T03:15:52 < kakimir> R2COM: jadew: google image "nuuttipukki"
2016-06-20T03:16:35 < jadew> I think I saw a movie about that guy
2016-06-20T03:16:59 < jadew> our santa is regular old santa, but I had a wild imagination
2016-06-20T03:17:12 < dongs> http://samuelpinches.com.au/blab/mini-retina-display-enclosure-part-2/
2016-06-20T03:17:34 < jadew> I once dreamt that there were masks all over the room where we had our tree and they were laughing and me
2016-06-20T03:17:46 < jadew> I was still very young so I couldn't tell reality from dreams yet
2016-06-20T03:17:53 < jadew> haunted me for years
2016-06-20T03:18:41 < kakimir> paganism is dope
2016-06-20T03:19:14 < kakimir> shit was dope BC
2016-06-20T03:19:49 < jadew> R2COM, < 5
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2016-06-20T03:20:16 < jadew> probably 4 or 3
2016-06-20T03:20:40 < jadew> thing is that around that age my parents decided to play a "prank" on me
2016-06-20T03:20:59 < dongs> how d o any of you faggots even remember what yo u were doing at 5
2016-06-20T03:21:04 < dongs> you're all ful of shit
2016-06-20T03:21:07 < jadew> they put masks on (scary as shit), they came into my bed and stood above me
2016-06-20T03:21:15 < jadew> and woke me up with some weird noises
2016-06-20T03:21:45 < jadew> dongs, I remember a lot of crap before I was 5 years old
2016-06-20T03:21:58 < jadew> it's what happens before 3 years old that's hard to remember
2016-06-20T03:22:05 < jadew> because those memories get erased
2016-06-20T03:22:41 < jadew> your brain grows and the neurons holding that information get moved around
2016-06-20T03:22:55 < jadew> yeah, there are also memories that you reinforce
2016-06-20T03:23:03 < dongs> i dont even remember waht the fuck happened 5 days ago
2016-06-20T03:23:08 < dongs> never mind 5 years ago or when i was 5
2016-06-20T03:23:13 < jadew> and if you do that you can remember something from when you were even younger
2016-06-20T03:23:24 < kakimir> I don't remember what happend 2days ago
2016-06-20T03:23:26 < jadew> dongs, hehe
2016-06-20T03:23:35 < kakimir> I'm serious, no idea
2016-06-20T03:23:40 < jadew> I don't remember what happened 2 days ago either
2016-06-20T03:23:52 < jadew> no, wait I do
2016-06-20T03:24:07 < jadew> me too
2016-06-20T03:24:16 < dongs> you're all faggots
2016-06-20T03:24:16 < jadew> but I do that on a daily basis
2016-06-20T03:24:26 < jadew> ah
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2016-06-20T03:27:07 < jadew> kakimir, I just realized we had a similar myth too
2016-06-20T03:27:29 < jadew> and it got mixed with the christian mythology
2016-06-20T03:27:41 < jadew> google "capra de craciun"
2016-06-20T03:28:26 < jadew> it's also about christmas
2016-06-20T03:28:30 < kakimir> st nicholas gave santa claus it's nice beard guy form
2016-06-20T03:29:09 < kakimir> and made pagan tradition into christian tradition
2016-06-20T03:30:43 < jadew> thing is, it's not the only tradition around that period that doesn't really mix with Christianity
2016-06-20T03:30:55 < jadew> we have a couple more
2016-06-20T03:31:28 < kakimir> dope colors
2016-06-20T03:32:04 < jadew> yeah, it's not like that in reality, don't know why those are the only pictures showing up on google
2016-06-20T03:32:30 < jadew> it was a bit more grim and classic
2016-06-20T03:35:01 < jadew> this is how I remember it: http://www.ziuaveche.ro/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Traditii-si-obiceiuri-de-Anul-Nou.jpg
2016-06-20T03:35:51 < jadew> yeah... I guess we do use a lot of colors
2016-06-20T03:37:02 < kakimir> they claim that santa claus'es red white colored cape has some sort of connection with ammanita muscaria
2016-06-20T03:38:24 < jadew> man... looking at those photos, no wonder every kid I knew was scared of darkeness and the boogie man
2016-06-20T03:38:50 < dongs> https://www.fruugo.us/boutique-camping-lightweight-zipped-in-ground-sheet-bell-tent/p-4532371-10326960 saw a bunch of these up today while driving
2016-06-20T03:38:54 < dongs> looks really nice
2016-06-20T03:39:31 < jadew> we have this: http://www.ikea.com/ro/ro/images/products/cirkustalt-cort-copii__0120516_PE277185_S4.JPG
2016-06-20T03:39:40 < dongs> thats for faggots
2016-06-20T03:39:45 < dongs> clowns?
2016-06-20T03:39:46 < dongs> or somethin
2016-06-20T03:39:57 < dongs> circus house
2016-06-20T03:40:14 < jadew> lol, it's for kids
2016-06-20T03:40:19 < jadew> two adults can fit in tho
2016-06-20T03:41:58 < kakimir> http://www.truthsayer.info/santa-shaman-much-much-much/
2016-06-20T03:43:58 < jadew> btw, what's the deal with the bunny?
2016-06-20T03:44:06 < jadew> the easter bunny
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2016-06-20T03:54:03 < kakimir> https://secretfunfacts.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/secret-fun-fact-0001.png truth
2016-06-20T03:55:20 < kakimir> they drank reindeer pee for toxics from the amanita
2016-06-20T03:59:07 < kakimir> theory is complete
2016-06-20T04:03:07 < kakimir> sounds really nice society before modern times.. dope is home delivered
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2016-06-20T05:19:48 < upgrdman_> does *ptr++ increment the pointer or the value
2016-06-20T05:21:53 < dongs> fuck yes
2016-06-20T05:22:04 < dongs> the other store still had spumoni icecream
2016-06-20T05:22:21 < jadew> it returns the value and increments the pointer
2016-06-20T05:26:44 < jadew> upgrdman_, you can also do *++ptr if you want to first increment the pointer and then return the value
2016-06-20T05:27:09 < upgrdman_> k
2016-06-20T05:27:29 < dongs> why would you ever want to do that
2016-06-20T05:27:48 < jadew> maybe you want to skip the first one, I don't know
2016-06-20T05:27:54 < jadew> just saying it's possible
2016-06-20T05:28:01 < jadew> like ++*ptr++ :D
2016-06-20T05:28:32 < jadew> this is also legit ++*++ptr
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2016-06-20T05:46:50 < jadew> new phone charger?
2016-06-20T05:47:42 < aandrew> that... that looks like something you absolutely would NOT want to drop a spanner across
2016-06-20T05:48:31 < PeterM> ohsix? ohsix.
2016-06-20T05:48:33 < jadew> unless you wanted to reshape it
2016-06-20T05:49:08 < aandrew> so he's got like 400V from the batteries charging that cap bank
2016-06-20T05:49:41 < aandrew> I've seen that from somewhere before
2016-06-20T05:49:54 < upgrdman_> is there any way to tell gcc to optimize certain files or blocks more agressively than others?
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2016-06-20T05:50:12 < aandrew> not that I'm aware of, unless you break it up by file
2016-06-20T05:50:23 < aandrew> you can give gcc different options for a given file
2016-06-20T05:50:28 < aandrew> but why
2016-06-20T05:50:54 < jadew> yes there is
2016-06-20T05:51:18 < jadew> but I don't remember how, it's something you put inside the file
2016-06-20T05:54:26 < inca> PaulFertser: what was that cell phone project you were using?
2016-06-20T05:56:35 < jadew> I'm curious what he did with it
2016-06-20T06:01:33 < jadew> are they shooting it towards the car?
2016-06-20T06:02:20 < jadew> where's the projectile?
2016-06-20T06:02:27 < jadew> it looks like it's spitting out fireworks
2016-06-20T06:08:27 < PeterM> 9v are shit, they should DIAF
2016-06-20T06:08:57 < PeterM> the density is so poor because you ahve to fit 6 sets of seperators and anode + cathode matierla in such a tiny space
2016-06-20T06:11:00 < jadew> balls tinkler
2016-06-20T06:11:18 < jadew> when you're done having fun with the rail gun
2016-06-20T06:11:53 < aandrew> I think that by this time tomorrow I will have two freecancer projects on the go
2016-06-20T06:12:08 < aandrew> on from a dude in .ro and another from the us. both small (~500 each)
2016-06-20T06:12:21 < PeterM> personal astable multivibrator
2016-06-20T06:14:52 < PeterM> http://www.infineon.com/dgdl/ir2086s.pdf?fileId=5546d462533600a4015355c4ad321667 + 4 fets, some copepr wire, a sprinkling of rs and cs
2016-06-20T06:15:40 < PeterM> they're neat, but expensive and uncommon these days
2016-06-20T06:23:56 < boB_K7IQ> I have several of those vibrators.  Maybe they'll last through an EMP ?
2016-06-20T06:25:25 < dongs> PeterM: where the fuck hae you been
2016-06-20T06:25:31 < dongs> getting flooded?
2016-06-20T06:25:58 < PeterM> yeah, lots of water so nothing to do, so i went to sydney for a few days
2016-06-20T06:26:24 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/vJllnEi.jpg http://i.imgur.com/NqXFGFd.jpg
2016-06-20T06:26:26 < dongs> PeterM: ^
2016-06-20T06:26:33 < dongs> chinaclones of those AO dualfets were complete garbage
2016-06-20T06:26:36 < dongs> didnt even WORK lol
2016-06-20T06:27:18 < dongs> what, thats not evne mine, i ahve 2 better ones
2016-06-20T06:27:43 < jadew> on top of a roll of toilet paper, I wonder what dongs does with it when he's not talking in here
2016-06-20T06:27:46 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/7mHwepY.jpg < heres one of mine
2016-06-20T06:27:59 < PeterM> hahahaha
2016-06-20T06:28:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/bOywts3.jpg and heres another
2016-06-20T06:29:40 < dongs> ^ faggot
2016-06-20T06:30:11 < boB_K7IQ> HA !
2016-06-20T06:30:21 < dongs> flyback: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2016-06-20T06:30:55 < PeterM> man did he even check for D-S diode before soldeirng
2016-06-20T06:31:09 < dongs> PeterM: no
2016-06-20T06:31:15 < dongs> but the fets dont do shit
2016-06-20T06:31:17 < dongs> how to check?
2016-06-20T06:31:45 < PeterM> jsut put your dmm on diode mode and check if there is a diode accross D-S
2016-06-20T06:31:49 < boB_K7IQ> meter
2016-06-20T06:31:58 < PeterM> standard silicon diode
2016-06-20T06:32:06 < dongs> kk
2016-06-20T06:32:08 < dongs> lemme tweet and see
2016-06-20T06:32:15 < boB_K7IQ> IF the meter's diode mode voltage is high enough.  Sometimes they aren't
2016-06-20T06:32:16 < PeterM> but if the fets dotn work, they dont work
2016-06-20T06:32:35 < boB_K7IQ> yes
2016-06-20T06:32:35 < dongs> PeterM: they certainly dont work
2016-06-20T06:32:39 < dongs> but we were warned
2016-06-20T06:32:43 < boB_K7IQ> Blue is tougher
2016-06-20T06:32:47 < dongs> "not original for sure"
2016-06-20T06:32:50 < PeterM> yeah
2016-06-20T06:32:51 < dongs> ahueaheuheua
2016-06-20T06:33:06 < dongs> they're cheap enough on digishit anyway
2016-06-20T06:33:15 < dongs> that thermal pic was SOT23 fets dissipating 2.6A
2016-06-20T06:33:25 < dongs> should be way better with paralleled nonclonefets
2016-06-20T06:33:29 < PeterM> i oft get told "not original" but most of the time they're jsut harvesting from old boars and shit
2016-06-20T06:33:42 < dongs> thats bulk new
2016-06-20T06:33:46 < PeterM> yeah
2016-06-20T06:33:53 < dongs> non-original is jsut str8 up trash
2016-06-20T06:34:03 < dongs> like this reel of infinoeon shit we bought
2016-06-20T06:34:08 < dongs> on xray the dies looked totally different
2016-06-20T06:34:17 < dongs> and they had shttty leakage when closed
2016-06-20T06:34:29 < dongs> it was for led bars, and the shit glowed even wehn all channels were off
2016-06-20T06:34:35 < PeterM> kek
2016-06-20T06:34:54 < dongs> "infineon"
2016-06-20T06:36:20 < dongs> was kinda of a cunt
2016-06-20T06:36:27 < dongs> had to unsolder something to the tune of 6k fets
2016-06-20T06:36:36 < dongs> and replace wiht new
2016-06-20T06:36:57 < PeterM> damn thats pretty shit
2016-06-20T06:37:14 < dongs> the chinaman that sold that shit took it back as a bag
2016-06-20T06:37:17 < dongs> of loose parts
2016-06-20T06:37:23 < dongs> it probably went right back on sale
2016-06-20T06:37:25 < dongs> hihi
2016-06-20T06:37:27 < PeterM> probably
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2016-06-20T06:50:50 < dongs> flycack
2016-06-20T06:50:56 < dongs> thre is no need for a 100W laptop psu
2016-06-20T06:51:04 < dongs> because no modern laptop draws more than like 40W these days
2016-06-20T06:51:09 < dongs> under load.
2016-06-20T06:56:23 < emeb_mac> but.. but... POWER!!!!
2016-06-20T07:09:48 < PeterM> emeb_mac, 5mhz 100w dc-dc, or is it actualyl a 100w class d am transmitter
2016-06-20T07:10:39 < emeb_mac> PeterM: depends on if you put the big bypass caps on the output or not.
2016-06-20T07:11:33 < PeterM> i dont think BIG bypass caps would do much at 5mhz, maybe little bypass caps :P
2016-06-20T07:12:05 < dongs> gaan more like gnaa
2016-06-20T07:12:23 < emeb_mac> gee - where have I heard of gnaa before?
2016-06-20T07:12:48 < dongs> probly nowhere good
2016-06-20T07:12:54 < emeb_mac> lol
2016-06-20T07:13:09 < emeb_mac> dongs is famous in the wikipedia
2016-06-20T07:13:56 < PeterM> nah
2016-06-20T07:14:24 < PeterM> maybe ED
2016-06-20T07:17:55 < dongs> is MR16 a standard lightbulb socket?
2016-06-20T07:18:07 < dongs> h eyah
2016-06-20T07:20:39 < PeterM> MR16 is the size of the bulb head, nto the socket
2016-06-20T07:20:44 < dongs> oh?
2016-06-20T07:20:46 < PeterM> GUxx is the socket
2016-06-20T07:20:50 < dongs> hmm
2016-06-20T07:21:12 < PeterM> so you can get MR16 with GU10 or GU5.3
2016-06-20T07:22:11 < dongs> ok this shit has GX5.3 socket
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2016-06-20T07:33:40 < dongs> autistic chats
2016-06-20T07:35:37 < dongs> flycack + ohsix
2016-06-20T07:35:41 < dongs> a perfect autism combo
2016-06-20T07:36:01 < dongs> both have never done anything of value
2016-06-20T07:36:30 < dongs> flyback: bmcc has been trademarked nwo
2016-06-20T07:36:31 < dongs> watch out
2016-06-20T07:36:47 < PeterM> bmcc or brcc
2016-06-20T07:36:58 < dongs> bmcc
2016-06-20T07:37:03 < dongs> blackmagic cinema camera
2016-06-20T07:37:09 < dongs> https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/cinemacameras this trash
2016-06-20T07:37:31 < PeterM> oh, who cares
2016-06-20T07:39:43 < dongs> r2fgt was here
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2016-06-20T07:48:50 < dongs> i think im gonna keep that brickelitebook
2016-06-20T07:49:05 < dongs> has DP out and i can use it for testing this intel gfx shit
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2016-06-20T09:17:29 < jpa-_> "Most people think Rust has two string types (and they don't have the backwards-compatibility excuse C++ has). It actually has six: str, String, CStr, CString, OsStr, and OsString."
2016-06-20T09:17:31 < jpa-_> sounds pro
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2016-06-20T09:19:39 < emeb_mac> "the nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from..."
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2016-06-20T10:22:03 < anton02> what does 'pins' having a value of 3 written to it mean here? https://developer.mbed.org/handbook/BusInOut
2016-06-20T10:22:11 < anton02> they are writing 3 to the pins. i would have interpreted this to mean they're pulling the 3 pins high. But then when they switch the pins to being output instead of input they then check if their value is 6 which wouldnt fit that reasoning
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2016-06-20T10:23:22 < PaulFertser> anton02: isn't mbed arduino-like useless shit?
2016-06-20T10:23:39 < anton02> i already have keil. i thought it was free
2016-06-20T10:24:01 < anton02> im just doing some simple stuff for now, so it'll do.
2016-06-20T10:24:59 < anton02> im surprised you didnt have the answer to my question earlier
2016-06-20T10:25:51 < anton02> about how to get STM32CubeMX
2016-06-20T10:26:06 < anton02> its not available
2016-06-20T10:26:17 < anton02> i would have used keil if i could find where to get STM32CubeMX
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2016-06-20T10:27:53 < anton02> i was following this tutorial on how to use GPIO pins and it required that you have it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=Huqj4ywUSU4
2016-06-20T10:28:56 < anton02> what is that?
2016-06-20T10:30:29 < anton02> apparently the software has been missing from stm32's website for a couple of weeks and noone knows where to find it
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2016-06-20T10:31:46 < anton02> i asked on a forum for someone to. no one responded
2016-06-20T10:32:04 < Chris_M> anton02: first link in google:   http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/development-tools/software-development-tools/stm32-software-development-tools/stm32-configurators-and-code-generators/stm32cubemx.html?sc=stm32cubemx
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2016-06-20T10:32:19 < anton02> yeah, go to the bottom of that page
2016-06-20T10:32:24 < anton02> and youll see the link is missing
2016-06-20T10:32:33 < Chris_M> it says Get Software
2016-06-20T10:32:39 < anton02> oh wait, its there
2016-06-20T10:33:06 < anton02> well i sent a complaint to the website earlier.
2016-06-20T10:33:11 < anton02> maybe they fixed it
2016-06-20T10:33:31 < mitrax> oh that was you?
2016-06-20T10:33:38 < talsit> dongs: where you get your squeegee and what reflow oven do you use?
2016-06-20T10:34:57 < mitrax> crt: HI
2016-06-20T10:36:56 < anton02> i have an stm32f7discovery. i just want to write some bits to the arduino headers. should it really be that hard?
2016-06-20T10:37:07 < mitrax> crt: nice prosthetic!
2016-06-20T10:37:49 < mitrax> crt: looks a bit stiff though :/
2016-06-20T10:39:16 < anton02> mitrax, do you run the stm32 website?
2016-06-20T10:44:29 < anton02> if its sunday in the USA then how did they read my complaint so fast
2016-06-20T10:45:15 < mitrax> anton02: no i was just kidding :)
2016-06-20T10:45:40 < PeterM> anton02, because STs website is run by indians
2016-06-20T10:46:28 < mitrax> anton02: ST headquarters are in switzerland
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2016-06-20T11:09:15 < anton02> im now going through and setting all the arduino pins to GPIO_OUTPUT in stm32mx
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2016-06-20T11:20:25 < anton02> crt, it actually has nothing to do with arduino, they just give them that name in the discovery manual for some reason
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2016-06-20T11:25:51 < anton02> im eventually going to be putting a standalone chip on a PCB so im just using this for prototyping
2016-06-20T11:28:41 < anton02> its not really arduino though AFAIK. its merely just a female header with the same pitch as on arduino unos so they decided to call them arduino pins
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2016-06-20T11:35:17 < anton02> i should pull down all my output pins right?
2016-06-20T11:37:14 < anton02> if you set "gpio output level" to low does that mean 3.3V
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2016-06-20T11:56:05 < jpa-> such pro
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2016-06-20T13:13:52 < anton02> after setting the pins i wanted to be GPIO and setting their pull down/up state and speed, the code that stmcube32mx generated was 1000 lines long. So without that program would have I needed to write all that on my own?
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2016-06-20T13:29:31 < anton02> if i want to pull a pin high, do I do this? HAL_GPIO_WritePin(GPIOB,GPIO_PIN_1,1);
2016-06-20T13:39:14 < Fleck> yep, or, GPIO_PIN_SET/GPIO_PIN_RESET
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2016-06-20T13:53:16 < Steffanx> Hello crt.
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2016-06-20T14:22:51 < PeterM> crt
2016-06-20T14:22:52 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/iN3JOCN.jpg
2016-06-20T14:23:52 < PeterM> yerp, i nthe best possible format too
2016-06-20T14:24:32 < PeterM> i love the >trained in gorilla warfare
2016-06-20T14:24:43 < PeterM> lololol
2016-06-20T14:26:09 < PeterM> firstly, its guerilla, and secondly is it really possible to "train" in it?
2016-06-20T14:29:04 < PeterM> got a mister bottle?
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2016-06-20T14:42:28 < mitrax> yup
2016-06-20T14:45:19 < mitrax> cute
2016-06-20T14:46:03 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
2016-06-20T14:46:18 < mitrax> err. i mean CUT
2016-06-20T14:46:23 < mitrax> CUT OFF THEIR HEAD
2016-06-20T14:48:04 < mitrax> ohsix: re. eraserhead, i really really hope Lynch doesn't fuck up Twin peaks sequel...
2016-06-20T14:48:47 < mitrax> but i'm afraid he will :(
2016-06-20T14:49:59 < mitrax> everything before 2002 is good... after that it's just pretentious ego trip shit
2016-06-20T14:50:27 < jpa-> is 2002 the year you got old?
2016-06-20T14:50:46 < mitrax> no fire walk with me makes perfect sense if you see it after the series, but yeah season 2 was sortof bad
2016-06-20T14:51:12 < mitrax> jpa-: maybe :)
2016-06-20T14:52:28 < mitrax> Inland Empire was awful
2016-06-20T14:52:29 < Laurenceb__> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b38_1466238454
2016-06-20T14:52:34 < Laurenceb__> youtube comments irl
2016-06-20T14:55:04 < mitrax> you broke his neck you broke his neck
2016-06-20T14:55:34 < Laurenceb__> https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2016/Jun/18/LiveLeak-dot-com-97e_1466301448-babafakejpg_1466301432.png.resized.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd1904946ded24f17&ec_rate=230
2016-06-20T14:57:45 < mitrax> nooo
2016-06-20T14:58:02 < Laurenceb__> https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2016/Jun/18/LiveLeak-dot-com-60c_1466295112-boooooom_1466295130.jpg.resized.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bdd1904946ded24f17&ec_rate=230
2016-06-20T14:59:10 < Laurenceb__> lul 5:00
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2016-06-20T15:01:31 < Rob235> nothin
2016-06-20T15:02:12 < karlp> Laurenceb__: what are you trying to show us?
2016-06-20T15:03:12 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AM_Ssz3b2mE#t=278
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2016-06-20T15:14:40 < PeterM> Laurenceb__, i feel dumber having watched that
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2016-06-20T15:25:28 < mitrax> on F4 when you protect sectors from reading you can still recover the chip with a global unprotect mass erase right? i want to experiment with read out protection but preferably not fuck up the chip on the board if i do something wrong :)
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2016-06-20T15:37:27 < mitrax> i mean RDP
2016-06-20T15:38:21 < mitrax> right
2016-06-20T15:38:26 < mitrax> "This protection is irreversible (JTAG fuse), so it’s impossible to go back to protection level 1 or 0."
2016-06-20T15:40:28 < mitrax> there's something i don't get from the docs about Read protection level 1: "Any read request to the protected Flash memory generates a bus error."
2016-06-20T15:41:00 < mitrax> from serial wire or jtag debugging they mean?
2016-06-20T15:42:46 < mitrax> yea but if i boot from flash... i can surely continue to access those read protected area right?
2016-06-20T15:53:05 < aandrew> the romanians accepted my USD$500 bid, so I guess I have to get started on that now
2016-06-20T15:53:39 < aandrew> ohsix: TAL is a pretty good podcast
2016-06-20T15:53:42 < aandrew> used to listen to it all the time
2016-06-20T15:54:08 < PeterM> TAL?
2016-06-20T15:58:38 < aandrew> PeterM: this american life, the podcast ohsix was talking about
2016-06-20T15:59:14 < PeterM> oh, and oh
2016-06-20T16:01:33 < PeterM> i listen to a lot of podcasts, that isnt one of them
2016-06-20T16:01:37 < Rob235> howstuffworks is good too
2016-06-20T16:01:51 < Rob235> my gf got me into some pods
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2016-06-20T16:02:04 < PeterM> HSW adn SYSK are both OK, but if oyu're listening to a lot of them they get boring AF real quick
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2016-06-20T16:04:14 < mitrax> GFY is the best
2016-06-20T16:04:41 < PeterM> FYAD is/was better
2016-06-20T16:05:22 < mitrax> IDGAS
2016-06-20T16:05:56 < PeterM> DILLIGAF
2016-06-20T16:06:43 < mitrax> SMCB
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2016-06-20T16:07:33 < PeterM> lol
2016-06-20T16:07:43 < PeterM> needs more abbrvs
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2016-06-20T16:11:31 < mitrax> crt: ok i'll bite, 'm' ?
2016-06-20T16:17:25 < PeterM> is that some kind of asian food?
2016-06-20T16:17:53 < PeterM> lol, racisim/10
2016-06-20T16:18:49 < Steffanx> cdonalds crt?
2016-06-20T16:19:24 < Steffanx> Hows it keiling crt?
2016-06-20T16:20:28 < Steffanx> Yes.
2016-06-20T16:20:28 < Steffanx> Same.
2016-06-20T16:20:35 < ReadError> PeterM any ideas for an electrical switch for high current stuff?
2016-06-20T16:21:48 < PeterM> how high current?
2016-06-20T16:22:01 < PeterM> and is it high or low speed
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2016-06-20T16:22:06 < ReadError> 200A or so
2016-06-20T16:22:14 < ReadError> its just for on/off
2016-06-20T16:22:20 < PeterM> is this for your eboard?
2016-06-20T16:22:24 < ReadError> even my anti spark connectors are looking bad
2016-06-20T16:22:26 < PeterM> or similar?
2016-06-20T16:22:28 < ReadError> ya
2016-06-20T16:23:11 < PeterM> a big ass SCR might work if the standby/ambient current is high enough
2016-06-20T16:23:49 < PeterM> but that mgiht not like regen braking
2016-06-20T16:24:09 < ReadError> yea thats what ive heard has been killing other designes
2016-06-20T16:24:11 < ReadError> designs
2016-06-20T16:25:34 < PeterM> i'd jsut do the standard add a second, smaller connector with a resistor
2016-06-20T16:28:44 < PeterM> i mean, you could throw some hella hueg mosfets at it but imho thats dumb
2016-06-20T16:29:06 < ReadError> yea that and some latching stuff
2016-06-20T16:30:25 < PeterM> nah, i think thats dumb, just use an extra connector with like a 270r in series or osmehtin
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2016-06-20T16:34:31 < englishman> lol that fucking cat
2016-06-20T16:36:27 < PeterM> ReadError, if i was implimenting it for reals though, i'd design it with propper protections and so on, and not need the massive fuck-off caps on the board, and i'd make sure my leads were short
2016-06-20T16:36:41 < PeterM> so there would be no need for antispark connectors
2016-06-20T16:37:05 < ReadError> yea got a bunch of caps and long leads
2016-06-20T16:39:17 < PeterM> you know what doesn't have boatloads of caps on it?
2016-06-20T16:39:55 < PeterM> any commercial motor speed controller worth its shit
2016-06-20T16:43:21 < ReadError> yea, less close to limit of components
2016-06-20T16:45:25 < karlp> don't supppose anyone knows of any CEE style outlets that have a switch in them to detect whether a cable is connected or not?
2016-06-20T16:45:34 < karlp> I can only find oil industry stuff for megabucks,
2016-06-20T16:47:14 < Rob235> I'm having an argument with a friend of mine.  He likes to send a ton of messages at once and I asked him if it's late to just send one and see if I respond.  He is arguing that it's my responsibility to put my phone on silent when I go to bed but I don't want it on silent.  is he just being selfish or is it on me?
2016-06-20T16:47:34 < karlp> he's being dumb
2016-06-20T16:47:38 < Rob235> i agree
2016-06-20T16:47:51 < Rob235> hes just inconsiderate and likes to argue
2016-06-20T16:50:09 < upgrdman> Rob235, sounds like you dont need that "friend"
2016-06-20T16:50:16 < PeterM> pretty much
2016-06-20T16:50:34 < jpa-> yeah, just block his number
2016-06-20T16:50:57 < mitrax> kill that motherfucker
2016-06-20T16:51:04 < Rob235> well that took a dark turn
2016-06-20T16:51:05 < jpa-> or assign it a silent ringtone
2016-06-20T16:51:16 < PeterM> usually i'd just message something kind like "fuck right off with that shit" and if they didnt, then i'd block em
2016-06-20T16:51:30 < upgrdman> ^ +1
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2016-06-20T16:59:40 < englishman> it's your responsibility to not be such a twat
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2016-06-20T17:02:13 < Rob235> it started with him telling me to try a game, I just counted the messages, he copied and pasted it 171 times, fucking child
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2016-06-20T17:54:23 < karlp> facebook says I'm not safe here! https://imgur.com/bjIf6D9
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2016-06-20T18:01:35 < jpa-> karlp: glad to know you survived europe
2016-06-20T18:02:23 < BrainDamage> europe might not survive europe
2016-06-20T18:03:53 < Laurenceb> s/europe/brexit
2016-06-20T18:04:22 < BrainDamage> brexit might not survive brexit?
2016-06-20T18:04:32 < karlp> that would be with /g BrainDamage
2016-06-20T18:05:39 < BrainDamage> ah right, it's brexit might not survive europe
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2016-06-20T18:08:25 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBdqWsSpJDU
2016-06-20T18:08:33 < ReadError> didnt know about all that
2016-06-20T18:11:15 < mitrax> gaaaah this aes cbc implementation is fucking broken
2016-06-20T18:11:24 < Laurenceb> vice
2016-06-20T18:11:28 < Laurenceb> lulwtf
2016-06-20T18:13:17 < ReadError> david cameron seems like a cunt
2016-06-20T18:13:22 < mitrax> no shit
2016-06-20T18:15:16 < Laurenceb> https://www.crowdsupply.com/lime-micro/limesdr
2016-06-20T18:15:27 < Laurenceb> SDR of dubious merit
2016-06-20T18:16:09 < karlp> those lime rf chips are meant to be decent aren't they?
2016-06-20T18:16:25 < karlp> are you questioning the system integartion or the app world or what?
2016-06-20T18:16:34 < Laurenceb> system integration
2016-06-20T18:16:48 < Laurenceb> apparently its by Lime themselves so it _might_ not be perman00b
2016-06-20T18:17:34 < karlp> why would they put a usb3 A plug on it though
2016-06-20T18:17:36 < Laurenceb> nice nail varnish
2016-06-20T18:17:44 < karlp> like, seriously, who's going to plug that in directly?!
2016-06-20T18:21:06 < zyp> yeah, that's what I thought as well
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2016-06-20T18:30:09 < aandrew> brexit won't happen
2016-06-20T18:33:22 < mitrax> yeah... unfortunately
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2016-06-20T18:34:05 < Ecco> hey
2016-06-20T18:38:42 < karlp> not sure it matters whether brexit passes or not, it's bad for uk either way.
2016-06-20T18:38:54 < karlp> no way eu will give stupid concessions to the uk anymore.
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2016-06-20T18:43:04 < mitrax> the real question is, what do the UK really gain from being still part of EU?
2016-06-20T18:43:58 < mitrax> each year they contribute between 13 to 17 billion euros... and get 7 billions back in subvention
2016-06-20T18:44:08 < mitrax> with those "stupid concessions"
2016-06-20T18:47:12 < mitrax> the balance is approx -8 billions € every year... now explain to me how getting out will affect the UK budget negatively as Cameron claims
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2016-06-20T18:50:06 < aandrew> I think the biggest part is trade, not necessarily anythign else
2016-06-20T18:50:26 < aandrew> as part of the EU they are included in someof the big trade agreements over the last while including with north america
2016-06-20T18:51:31 < aandrew> I know that there are a number of canadian corps with offices in uk which might have to move their uk offices because they'll lose easy access to the EU if they stay within the uk and britain exits
2016-06-20T18:52:31 < mitrax> oh yeah right we need more of those agreement... like the TAFTA crap
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2016-06-20T18:52:43 < aandrew> I'm not saying they're good or bad
2016-06-20T18:52:59 < aandrew> I'm saying that there are some multinationals that are in the uk because of "free" access to EU
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2016-06-20T18:53:24 < aandrew> if something like bombardier pulls out of ireland do you think that'll be a net positive or net negative?
2016-06-20T18:53:41 < aandrew> NA loves the UK because they're english speakers with western culture.
2016-06-20T18:53:42 < karlp> choose the best option! stay in the EEA, but leave the EU!
2016-06-20T18:54:20 < karlp> don't worry about that detail that you still have to abide by all the eu rules, you just don't have a vote anymore,
2016-06-20T18:54:22 < mitrax> if they pull out... let them pull out, it might be a positive in the long run
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2016-06-20T18:56:58 < mitrax> Norway is not part of the EU and is doing reaaaally bad as everybody knows ... *cough*
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2016-06-20T18:58:22 < karlp> yes, they have to apply all eu rules as an eea member state, but don't get to vote on it....
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2016-06-20T19:04:14 < mitrax> karlp: norway's financial contribution to EU is ridiculous in comparison
2016-06-20T19:05:06 < mitrax> karlp: 388 million € / year
2016-06-20T19:06:13 < Sync> haha
2016-06-20T19:06:36 < mitrax> hm no actually it's twice that amount
2016-06-20T19:07:31 < karlp> so, 0.7billion for 5million vs , what did you say, ~15billion for 65million?
2016-06-20T19:07:37 < karlp> doesn't seem out of line really?
2016-06-20T19:10:14 < mitrax> ok you've got a point :p maybe norway wasn't such a good example
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2016-06-20T19:11:58 < mitrax> but still, it's not like they have to apply all the EU rules as you claimed
2016-06-20T19:12:19 < karlp> not driving the eu back and forth across europe all the time would be a big saving for everyone straight away...
2016-06-20T19:13:40 < mitrax> EEA has no say over agriculture, fishing, justice, home affairs ... and norway is subject to only a third of the regulations
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2016-06-20T19:26:46 < mitrax> when you boot from flash, you can still read / write / erase any sector that has RDP level 1 right?
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2016-06-20T19:53:45 < Laurenceb> photonic induction got fat
2016-06-20T19:53:47 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=01a_1466437211
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2016-06-20T20:10:28 < dongs> sup doges
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2016-06-20T20:11:20 < dongs> talsit: squeegeefrom http://www.transitionautomation.com/squeegee.html
2016-06-20T20:11:43 < dongs> talsit: http://www.transitionautomation.com/hand.html more specifically
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2016-06-20T20:12:09 < dongs> for proto, and for production stuff whatever shit has in machine
2016-06-20T20:12:51 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124.170.220.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
2016-06-20T20:14:05 < dongs> but if youre a cheap fuck you can just use a credit card
2016-06-20T20:14:10 < dongs> edge
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2016-06-20T20:22:30 < englishman> those guys' printers too?
2016-06-20T20:23:40 < dongs> naw i have some trash from some .nl scam thats no longer in business
2016-06-20T20:24:04 < Tectu> sup dongs
2016-06-20T20:24:20 < Tectu> oh, talsit is here again?
2016-06-20T20:24:24 < Tectu> yo talsit o/
2016-06-20T20:24:30 < dongs> well, hes probly sleepign nwo
2016-06-20T20:24:33 < dongs> since its like 2am in japan
2016-06-20T20:24:58 < dongs> i wonder how hard it is to implement QC2.0 voltage negotiation without a dedicated chip
2016-06-20T20:25:51 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/dlYO5ps.png
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2016-06-20T20:29:15 < dongs> i wanna do thsi on MY usb port so that wall charger can give me 9 or 12V
2016-06-20T20:33:03 < dongs> http://www.teamyoung.com.tw/uploads/files/d290cb76298a5571fb2710173b523d46.pdf so many people doing the charger end
2016-06-20T20:33:07 < dongs> i want the phone end!
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2016-06-20T20:36:08 < Sync> heh
2016-06-20T20:36:27 < ReadError> quit cloning
2016-06-20T20:37:18 < dongs> its called innovation
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2016-06-20T21:19:33 < Laurenceb> saleae logic fixes my i2c bus
2016-06-20T21:19:38 < Laurenceb> this is kind of annoying
2016-06-20T21:20:32 < aandrew> Laurenceb: a heisenbug?
2016-06-20T21:20:37 < Laurenceb> yup
2016-06-20T21:20:38 < Steffanx> pebkac.
2016-06-20T21:20:47 < aandrew> almost guaranteed your pullups are not what you think they are, or you have capacitance issues on the bus
2016-06-20T21:20:54 < aandrew> there is very little else to fuck up I2C
2016-06-20T21:21:00 < Laurenceb> yeah I suspect too little capacitance
2016-06-20T21:21:12 < Laurenceb> some sort of ringing problem
2016-06-20T21:21:28 < Steffanx> no scope in Laurencebland?
2016-06-20T21:21:28 < Laurenceb> I can very rare BERR from the stm32
2016-06-20T21:21:38 < Laurenceb> scope has capacitance
2016-06-20T21:21:52 < Laurenceb> also no bus analysis to shift through hours of data
2016-06-20T21:21:59 < Steffanx> sure, but.. it also solves your issue?
2016-06-20T21:22:11 < Laurenceb> dunno havent tried yet
2016-06-20T21:22:21 < Laurenceb> it needs to be left running overnight
2016-06-20T21:23:20 < Thorn> is there such a thing as *too little* capacitance in an i2c bus?
2016-06-20T21:23:26 < Laurenceb> aiui yes
2016-06-20T21:24:51 < Thorn> because there's too much inductance?
2016-06-20T21:25:10 < Laurenceb> I think so
2016-06-20T21:25:25 < Laurenceb> so the capacitance of the device io sets it ringing
2016-06-20T21:27:44 < Thorn> what is the ringing frequency?
2016-06-20T21:28:55 < Laurenceb> dunno no way to measure it
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2016-06-20T21:29:29 < dongs> wahts hte i2c levels and waht are hte pullups
2016-06-20T21:29:29 < Thorn> you should be able to use cursors to measure period
2016-06-20T21:29:34 < dongs> i2c voltage level that is
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2016-06-20T21:30:01 < Laurenceb> 3.3v, 3.8k pullups
2016-06-20T21:30:01 < dongs> ya  you can totally set freuqnecy measure to be gated by cursors
2016-06-20T21:30:03 < dongs> and figure it out
2016-06-20T21:30:21 < dongs> why such weird odd number?
2016-06-20T21:30:58 < Laurenceb> cuz multibuy
2016-06-20T21:31:58 < dongs> wat
2016-06-20T21:32:15 < Laurenceb> I had same resistors elsewhere on board
2016-06-20T21:32:25 < dongs> why dont you remove them then?
2016-06-20T21:32:34 < Laurenceb> wut
2016-06-20T21:32:46 < Laurenceb> I'm confused, why would i remove pullup resistors?
2016-06-20T21:32:57 < dongs> oh i duno, i cant english
2016-06-20T21:33:01 < dongs> i thought you meant you had pullups in 2 places
2016-06-20T21:33:05 < Laurenceb> no
2016-06-20T21:33:07 < dongs> and 3.8w as the result of summing them or whatever
2016-06-20T21:33:12 < Laurenceb> lul
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2016-06-20T21:36:01 < Laurenceb> actually I have 2 errors hiding in dataset
2016-06-20T21:36:10 < Laurenceb> but nothing on saleae
2016-06-20T21:36:11 < Laurenceb> wtf
2016-06-20T21:37:20 < englishman> just ship with saleae
2016-06-20T21:38:13 < Laurenceb> lul
2016-06-20T21:40:08 < dongs> haha
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2016-06-20T21:43:37 < englishman> you laugh
2016-06-20T21:43:57 < dongs> freecancerers havev shipped prpoducts with tarduino inside
2016-06-20T21:43:58 < Laurenceb> well it doesnt solve the problem
2016-06-20T21:44:05 < englishman> i may have saved you another week of debugging and a new board rev
2016-06-20T21:44:08 < Laurenceb> it just shows no errors
2016-06-20T21:44:16 < englishman> no errors = solves the problemn
2016-06-20T21:44:23 < Laurenceb> unless I'm looking in the wrong place
2016-06-20T21:44:30 < Laurenceb> no errors in saleae gui
2016-06-20T21:44:35 < Laurenceb> BERR on stm32
2016-06-20T21:44:51 < Laurenceb> maybe just ignore BERR if its happening rarely lol
2016-06-20T21:45:00 < dongs> put a lattice FPGA on board to do I2C
2016-06-20T21:45:03 < dongs> cuz stm32 i2c is to shtity
2016-06-20T21:45:12 < Laurenceb> heh
2016-06-20T21:45:28 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/LORA-Sensor/
2016-06-20T21:45:54 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/PCB-Layout/Drawing-PCB/
2016-06-20T21:45:59 < dongs> > paint
2016-06-20T21:46:00 < dongs> as in mspaint?
2016-06-20T21:46:08 < dongs> lol the budget
2016-06-20T21:46:15 < englishman> so descriptive wow
2016-06-20T21:46:36 < englishman> gerber.gif
2016-06-20T21:46:45 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/PCB-Design-10813915/
2016-06-20T21:46:55 < dongs> $8.8 budget
2016-06-20T21:47:27 < englishman> week's pay
2016-06-20T21:48:09 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/project-10813869/ this guy keeps posting crazy shit
2016-06-20T21:48:12 < dongs> thats the JTAG expert
2016-06-20T21:48:17 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/payamdatarecover.html
2016-06-20T21:48:39 < Laurenceb> hmm yeah just ignore stm32 BERR lol
2016-06-20T21:48:44 < Laurenceb>  "problem" solved
2016-06-20T21:48:48 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Assemble-PCB/ englishman time to help a fellow canadaian out
2016-06-20T21:49:43 < dongs> what the hell is that even
2016-06-20T21:49:47 < dongs> why would playstation2 need that
2016-06-20T21:51:46 < englishman> why would anyone still have a ps2
2016-06-20T21:52:10 < englishman> i think a cat peed on my ps2 in like 2004
2016-06-20T21:52:45 < dongs> I found somse in the trash when I used to go trashing around consumer electroncis stores
2016-06-20T21:52:54 < dongs> and before they sstarted locking up electrical trash behind cages
2016-06-20T21:53:00 < englishman> maybe to bind modern wireless ps4 controller
2016-06-20T21:55:38 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MP6grIN4qc
2016-06-20T21:56:23 < englishman> dongs style unboxing
2016-06-20T21:57:11 < dongs> oh tehy  finally got it eh
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2016-06-20T23:23:24 < OneSploit> Hi
2016-06-20T23:24:07 < OneSploit> I get this error in eclipse  Invalid arguments ' Candidates are: void HAL_NVIC_EnableIRQ enum({stm32f479xx.h:3465}) '	main.cpp but I am not sure how to fix it
2016-06-20T23:24:15 < OneSploit> code compiles fine, just eclipse displays error
2016-06-20T23:25:54 < qyx> 5 seconds of googling and the first hit gives the explanation
2016-06-20T23:26:04 < qyx> and I have never used eclipse
2016-06-20T23:27:35 < OneSploit> I tried this trick with provider whatever it is... does not help, but thanks for suggestion
2016-06-20T23:30:42 < Thorn> that doesn't look like a gcc error. what compiler is it?
2016-06-20T23:31:56 < OneSploit> sorry I shouldnt ask here I guess... just a bit frustrated with this IDE...
2016-06-20T23:32:14 < OneSploit> so never mind:) will try to figure out myseld
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2016-06-20T23:34:14 < dongs> what
2016-06-20T23:34:20 < dongs> the fuck does IDE have with any of thi sshit
2016-06-20T23:34:29 < dongs> you insist on using C++ for ~reasons~yet you dont actually fucking know C++
2016-06-20T23:36:15 < OneSploit> dongs, being known on the channel does not give your right to insult people
2016-06-20T23:36:39 < OneSploit> I worte never mind, I will figure out myself, so read it "no help needed" :) thx
2016-06-20T23:36:42 < dongs> i insult anyone i want, i don't need someones approval
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2016-06-20T23:41:22 < Tectu> stop using eclipse
2016-06-20T23:41:34 < Tectu> and stop telling dongs not to insult people
2016-06-20T23:41:57 < Tectu> ##stm32 is not exactly known to be easily-butthurt friendly
2016-06-20T23:42:19 < Tectu> Laurenceb may confirm
2016-06-20T23:43:43 < Tectu> and all this sounded way more aggressive than intended ^.^
2016-06-20T23:46:42 < decimad> dongs is always inserting his c++ rant here... at least the few occasions I was wittnessing.
2016-06-20T23:46:56 < decimad> Eclipse is fine for mcu development.
2016-06-20T23:47:01 < Fleck> just ignore dongs, he is mentally ill
2016-06-20T23:47:03 < dongs> it totally is
2016-06-20T23:47:15 < dongs> but most people using C++ for embedded development shouldn't be
2016-06-20T23:47:58 < decimad> But I can follow using stateless objects is not exactly the idea of object oriented programming.
2016-06-20T23:51:02  * mitrax brings in cookies and chocolate milk
2016-06-20T23:51:09 < mitrax> now shake your hands and be good boys
2016-06-20T23:51:21 < mitrax> you rude motherfuckers
2016-06-20T23:54:43 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30nfka8J8Y0
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2016-06-21T00:18:39 < mra90> dongs: you keep finding wird stuff :P
2016-06-21T00:18:52 < mra90> weird*
2016-06-21T00:22:10 < Steffanx> It's called an obsession, mra90
2016-06-21T00:23:47 < mra90> yeah but I like it though - it's kind of a nice break from work ;)
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2016-06-21T00:28:46 < dongs> Did you know? Recent provisions added to the patriot act make it a federal crime to chat on IRC anywhere on earth. Each time you connect to IRC you are risking a DHS raid on your home followed by your abduction and internment at a CIA black site.
2016-06-21T00:29:51 < Tectu> <decimad> dongs is always inserting his c++ rant here... at least the few occasions I was wittnessing.    <---   that sounds like there are things that dongs doesn't rant about in here
2016-06-21T00:31:13 < kakimir> dongs: what are you doing in youtube generally?
2016-06-21T00:31:36 < dongs> what do you mean
2016-06-21T00:32:11 < kakimir> those videos do not find themselfs
2016-06-21T00:32:59 < Tectu> Fleck, Y U so mean towards Mr. dongs?
2016-06-21T00:33:01 < dongs> i just retweet
2016-06-21T00:33:08 < dongs> fleck has mental issues
2016-06-21T00:33:15 < dongs> I think i told him he waws doing somethign wrong at some point
2016-06-21T00:33:18 < dongs> he insisted he wasnt
2016-06-21T00:33:21 < dongs> and placed me on ignore
2016-06-21T00:33:27 < dongs> then he realized himself he was doing it wrong
2016-06-21T00:33:31 < dongs> but won't admit to it now
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2016-06-21T00:33:45 < dongs> so basically I told him it was a problem long before he would spend days/weeks fuckign with it
2016-06-21T00:33:55 < Tectu> is this zano all over again?
2016-06-21T00:34:03 < dongs> nah just fleck being a fucktard
2016-06-21T00:34:42 < dongs> lets see if any newfreecancer stuff
2016-06-21T00:34:46 < Fleck> I just said why Tectu
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2016-06-21T00:35:40 < mitrax> let bygones be bygones
2016-06-21T00:37:28 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ7yhvhBe9E
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2016-06-21T00:38:06 < decimad> Tectu With the other ranting things I don't feel in the position to argue about that stuff... :)
2016-06-21T00:39:11 < Tectu> :p
2016-06-21T00:40:59 < dongs> https://www.faa.gov/data_research/research/med_humanfacs/oamtechreports/1960s/media/AM68-19.pdf
2016-06-21T00:41:04 < dongs> thats some pretty cool reading
2016-06-21T00:45:15 < kakimir> okay so your shattered bones stab you internally
2016-06-21T00:45:26 < kakimir> good to know
2016-06-21T00:45:44 < mitrax> i'll try to remember that next time i fall from a bridge
2016-06-21T00:46:55 < kakimir> dongs: how to avoid this horrible fate?
2016-06-21T00:46:59 < mitrax> i wonder if holding your rib cage could help, i.e have your arms absorbe some of the impact
2016-06-21T00:47:16 < dongs> mitrax: jumping feet first and actually keeping that position should wokr
2016-06-21T00:47:30 < dongs> any sorta flat entry is instant death
2016-06-21T00:47:35 < mitrax> the problem is to keep the position
2016-06-21T00:48:44 < mitrax> i guess that depends if you have a fat ass or not
2016-06-21T00:49:45 < dongs> mitrax: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9ox62y4zsE
2016-06-21T00:51:05 < Lux> i wonder what the weather was like on those 2 survivors
2016-06-21T00:51:15 < Lux> i think waves can make the impact less fatal
2016-06-21T00:53:38 < mitrax> interesting, that's only 10 meter less than the golden gate bridge
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2016-06-21T00:55:29 < Thorn> does anyone have the unredacted columbia accident report?
2016-06-21T00:56:04 < Lux> but the same velocity
2016-06-21T00:56:30 < dongs> lux, thepdf later says clothing/waves/tide has an effect but doesnt go into details
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2016-06-21T00:57:41 < Lux> i read a book by an austrian physicist once and he had a section on how to survive a plane ripping apart at 10km altitude
2016-06-21T00:57:51 < dongs> o man
2016-06-21T00:58:08 < dongs> they did some experiments with tossing anesthesized guinea pigs
2016-06-21T00:58:09 < Lux> steep waves were one theory on how to survive
2016-06-21T00:58:56 < Lux> apparently there are even a few incidents where people actually survived that by falling on trees or a steep slope in the mountains
2016-06-21T00:59:19 < Lux> the good thing is you don't get faster than 200kph
2016-06-21T00:59:30 < dongs> heh
2016-06-21T00:59:37 < kakimir> surface tension is the bitch
2016-06-21T00:59:43 < mitrax> there this guy also :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Alkemade
2016-06-21T01:00:00 < kakimir> if water surface breaks it's whole another story
2016-06-21T01:01:24 < mitrax> kakimir nah
2016-06-21T01:03:23 < dongs> Another sole survivor is a former Serbian flight attendant, Vesna Vulović. According to the Guinness Book of Records she holds the record for surviving the highest fall without a parachute at 10,160 metres (33,330 ft). There was some controversy in 2009 when it was reported that her story might have been communist propaganda, but black box data strongly supported the official story
2016-06-21T01:03:29 < dongs> lol
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2016-06-21T01:04:12 < kakimir> dry swamp land would actually be like huge pillow to land on
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2016-06-21T01:04:45 < kakimir> *dried
2016-06-21T01:04:48 < Lux> it's more about mass and inertia than surface tension
2016-06-21T01:04:53 < mitrax> kakimir: it's the change of density between air / water that cause a sudden deceleration and the damage, surface tension has little to do with it
2016-06-21T01:04:58 < Lux> anything is hard if you hit it fast enough
2016-06-21T01:05:02 < Lux> even air
2016-06-21T01:05:10 < kakimir> yes
2016-06-21T01:07:00 < dongs> oh
2016-06-21T01:07:07 < dongs> the flight attendant actually fell together with the plane
2016-06-21T01:07:17 < dongs> thats useless
2016-06-21T01:08:42 < kakimir> seperate piece of frame may just itself fall with notable drag generated
2016-06-21T01:09:46 < kakimir> compared to it's weight
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2016-06-21T01:10:34 < anton02> what's a really simple program I could make to test my board out? It's like this. http://bikerglen.com/projects/lighting/led-panel-1up/
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2016-06-21T01:13:15 < dongs> which board?
2016-06-21T01:13:29 < dongs> if yo umade a led board shouldnt you know how to test it?
2016-06-21T01:13:47 < dongs> you could do that plasma thing thats in 4th picture
2016-06-21T01:13:56 < dongs> its pretty easy to generate programmatically
2016-06-21T01:14:08 < dongs> zyp: ST95s arrived
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2016-06-21T01:21:27 < anton02> dongs, go one picture down further and thats all the circuit is
2016-06-21T01:21:57 < anton02> just some shift registers
2016-06-21T01:22:46 < dongs> right
2016-06-21T01:22:49 < dongs> so whats hte question?
2016-06-21T01:22:53 < dongs> you have this panel?
2016-06-21T01:23:21 < dongs> the page describes it pretty clearly how to drive it
2016-06-21T01:23:41 < anton02> yeah i made some code but i cant get anything to light up
2016-06-21T01:26:07 < dongs> looks pretty straightforward
2016-06-21T01:26:16 < dongs> shift, latch, toggle address
2016-06-21T01:26:16 < anton02> it's quite basic though. all i did was pull all pins high and then pulsed my SCLK high and low in a while loop
2016-06-21T01:26:18 < dongs> using SPI?
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2016-06-21T01:26:52 < anton02> no, im bit banging with a high speed stm32
2016-06-21T01:27:23 < dongs> i wonder if QSPI would be useful to drive 4 bits of that R/G/B stuff
2016-06-21T01:27:58 < anton02> my microcontroller does 100Mhz to its output pins so speed isn't really an issue
2016-06-21T01:31:04 < dongs> looks basic
2016-06-21T01:31:09 < dongs> select row to light up with address
2016-06-21T01:31:19 < dongs> clock out bits + toggle latch
2016-06-21T01:31:59 < dongs> doing this will get you 2 lighted up lines, same address + data from RGB0/RGB1
2016-06-21T01:32:15 < dongs> once you ahve that working you can stick that into a loop to quickly scan it
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2016-06-21T01:41:01 < anton02> good idea. i should just do 1 set of operations before getting a loop happening
2016-06-21T01:41:58 < anton02> or would that not work since each new R/G/B bit comes in on a new rising edge
2016-06-21T01:42:16 < anton02> and I'd need a while loop to get the rising edge happening
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2016-06-21T01:46:37 < dongs> no, one 'row' is fully lit if youre not scanning
2016-06-21T01:48:17 < anton02> how come?
2016-06-21T01:48:25 < dongs> what do you mean how come
2016-06-21T01:48:35 < anton02> seems a bit backwards
2016-06-21T01:48:36 < dongs> when you select address 0..15
2016-06-21T01:48:44 < dongs> you turn on power to that row
2016-06-21T01:48:53 < dongs> then you clock in column bits
2016-06-21T01:49:00 < dongs> and as result, that row is lit up
2016-06-21T01:49:14 < dongs> you then start switching address really  fast + clocking in bits even faster
2016-06-21T01:49:20 < dongs> and your eye sees wholething
2016-06-21T01:50:36 < anton02> each new rising edge of the clock is what you want to have each column bit set as
2016-06-21T01:51:04 < dongs> er, it doesnt really matter that much if they're just regular 74-series shift registers
2016-06-21T01:51:24 < dongs> the timing doesnt need to be precise
2016-06-21T01:51:49 < anton02> so if you have a 1 for R,G,B lines at a rising edge then the first column at row 0 will light up on the first rising edge (assuming you have none of the row select lines turned on)
2016-06-21T01:52:05 < dongs> nope
2016-06-21T01:52:10 < dongs> it will light up only after you latch out
2016-06-21T01:52:20 < dongs> you shift stuff into registers
2016-06-21T01:52:26 < dongs> you will need to shift out 32*3? or whatever bits
2016-06-21T01:52:32 < dongs> then pulse latch
2016-06-21T01:53:43 < anton02> im just a bit confused about the default 'on' state for all columns if you haven't pulsed clock at all
2016-06-21T01:54:00 < dongs> its off of course
2016-06-21T01:54:24 < dongs> all the led cathodes are probably pulled up
2016-06-21T01:54:37 < anton02> oh ok
2016-06-21T01:55:00 < anton02> now i see
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2016-06-21T02:04:25 < Laurenceb__> this game looks good http://imgur.com/1v1nKuD
2016-06-21T02:06:31 < englishman> hoaw are you still interested in this
2016-06-21T02:06:33 < englishman> its been like 11 hours
2016-06-21T02:06:42 < dongs> interestd in wat
2016-06-21T02:06:45 < englishman> i had to close that video teh second i clicked on it, it was too dumb
2016-06-21T02:06:46 < dongs> autism?
2016-06-21T02:06:53 < englishman> lowqualitypostingb
2016-06-21T02:06:58 < dongs> oh
2016-06-21T02:07:16 < dongs> probably just startd trending on /pol/
2016-06-21T02:07:24 < dongs> so hes interested
2016-06-21T02:07:58 < Laurenceb__> tis new meme
2016-06-21T02:08:12 < englishman> how is it a meme
2016-06-21T02:08:17 < englishman> it has to be funny to be a meme
2016-06-21T02:08:28 < englishman> this is 2 retarded americans going about their daily life being retarded
2016-06-21T02:08:44 < englishman> and posting a video to america's largest employer, youtube
2016-06-21T02:09:12 < dongs> lol
2016-06-21T02:11:12 < mitrax> since when memes are funny?
2016-06-21T02:12:26 < mitrax> retarded shit posted ad nauseam by fucking internet sheeps
2016-06-21T02:12:53 < dongs> the internet in a nutshell
2016-06-21T02:13:12 < dongs> crt here is prime example
2016-06-21T02:13:20 < mitrax> ahaha
2016-06-21T02:13:25 < mitrax> crt: hey
2016-06-21T02:16:41 < kakimir> http://imgur.com/gallery/y1S1mKC sorry for aids but funny
2016-06-21T02:17:19 < kakimir> imgur is officially pornography
2016-06-21T02:17:32 < kakimir> and unofficially aids
2016-06-21T02:18:27 < mitrax> bed time
2016-06-21T02:20:53 < Laurenceb__> does saleae trigger on edges or just sample at regular intervals?
2016-06-21T02:24:14 < englishman> you select sample frequency before start
2016-06-21T02:25:34 < anton02> does this set a pin to zero 		HAL_GPIO_WritePin(GPIOI,GPIO_PIN_3,GPIO_PIN_RESET);
2016-06-21T02:26:53 < Laurenceb__> englishman: yeah but I wondered if there is some sort of triggering
2016-06-21T02:27:06 < Laurenceb__> presumably not
2016-06-21T02:27:07 < anton02> what is the hotkey for intendation in keil
2016-06-21T02:27:16  * Laurenceb__ is trying to work out whats wrong with his i2c
2016-06-21T02:27:16 < englishman> tab
2016-06-21T02:27:24 < Laurenceb__> other than it being an i2c bus
2016-06-21T02:27:25 < anton02> what about unintend
2016-06-21T02:28:23 < englishman> backspace
2016-06-21T02:28:42 < Laurenceb__> maybe its very short glitches that are missed by saleae
2016-06-21T02:28:53 < Laurenceb__> that would make sense if it just does times samples
2016-06-21T02:32:15 < englishman> anton02: you can add one  in edit -> configuartion
2016-06-21T02:32:29 < englishman> edit:advanced:unindent selection
2016-06-21T02:32:33 < englishman> i use shift-alt-t
2016-06-21T02:32:51 < englishman> only works on multiple lines tho
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2016-06-21T02:47:11 < kakimir> crt: I don't know if I already asked but how I remove all this red silicone glue? https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKOElOeWIyeXREMlE/view?usp=sharing
2016-06-21T02:47:21 < kakimir> it's 300celsius rated
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2016-06-21T02:47:37 < kakimir> so propably heating won't do any good
2016-06-21T02:48:06 < PeterM> a hot acetone bath
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2016-06-21T02:48:36 < PeterM> also, watch out because acetone vapour is kinda flamable
2016-06-21T02:48:50 < Yoduza> damnit ST-Link v2. Every time when i programm my stm8s then reboot winxpsp3
2016-06-21T02:49:18 < kakimir> PeterM: that is confirmed method?
2016-06-21T02:49:24 < kakimir> hot? how hot?
2016-06-21T02:49:26 < Yoduza> may be electrostatic in stm8s ?
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2016-06-21T02:50:56 < Fleck> trash wincrap, install something better
2016-06-21T02:50:58 < PeterM> kakimir, yes and around 45c (boils at 56c)
2016-06-21T02:51:11 < kakimir> how effective it is?
2016-06-21T02:51:16 < kakimir> the bomb?
2016-06-21T02:51:38 < PeterM> it's better than scrapiugn at it all day
2016-06-21T02:52:03 < Laurenceb__> lul googling for i2c BERR stuff and finding ppl copypastering my code
2016-06-21T02:52:54 < PeterM> Yoduza, have you tried not using 10 year old software?
2016-06-21T02:53:04 < aandrew> haha
2016-06-21T02:53:12 < kakimir> PeterM: seal it in acetone bath and have something to keep the temperature?
2016-06-21T02:53:17 < kakimir> and leave it there
2016-06-21T02:53:56 < PeterM> dont seal it
2016-06-21T02:54:04 < PeterM> but have something to keep the temp
2016-06-21T02:54:40 < PeterM> Laurenceb__, much better is searching for i2c BERR and getting results for i2c beer
2016-06-21T02:54:49 < Yoduza> PeterM, st visual programmer 3.3.7
2016-06-21T02:54:57 < kakimir> you need to have like... 10 gallons of acetone to archive anything in athmospere pressure?
2016-06-21T02:55:01 < Yoduza> dec 1 2015
2016-06-21T02:55:28 < kakimir> leave can lid loose and it's gone
2016-06-21T02:55:34 < Yoduza> i making energy device Tesla Coil, based on stm8s
2016-06-21T02:55:40 < kakimir> so what happens when heated to 45celsius
2016-06-21T02:55:42 < PeterM> windows xp General availability: October 25, 2001
2016-06-21T02:56:08 < PeterM> kakimir, you buy more acetone
2016-06-21T02:56:13 < PeterM> shits cheap yo
2016-06-21T02:56:20 < PeterM> or are you jewish
2016-06-21T02:56:25 < Yoduza> hmm
2016-06-21T02:57:23 < Yoduza> stm8s make sine for my Tesla Coil
2016-06-21T02:57:25 < kakimir> I'm
2016-06-21T03:00:48 < kakimir> I need to build a pressure vessel for this operation
2016-06-21T03:01:15 < kakimir> for savings
2016-06-21T03:01:36 < PeterM> not a pressure vessle, jsut someway to stop the stuff wofting away
2016-06-21T03:01:48 < PeterM> once the air is saturated with it, it wont evaporate any more
2016-06-21T03:02:57 < kakimir> I have noticed
2016-06-21T03:03:10 < kakimir> just basic plastic box keeps it around
2016-06-21T03:03:24 < kakimir> no spevial seals or anything
2016-06-21T03:03:24 < kakimir> no pressure
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2016-06-21T03:09:02 < anton02> its times like this im glad im a C master
2016-06-21T03:09:11 < aandrew> looks like I'll have a second projct here in a week
2016-06-21T03:10:06 < aandrew> RFID shits
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2016-06-21T03:13:20 < anton02> do you think it'd be problematic for my STM32F7 discovery to be powered by USB while I power my Matrix LED board with a separate power source
2016-06-21T03:14:42 < aandrew> probably not, as long as they share a common
2016-06-21T03:16:22 < PeterM> ya, just be careful abotu ground loops etc
2016-06-21T03:22:22 < kakimir> steel
2016-06-21T03:22:32 < kakimir> or sertain types of plasti
2016-06-21T03:24:06 < Laurenceb__> ohsix: the problem is reduced with added capacitance
2016-06-21T03:24:15 < Laurenceb__> I've seen this problem on Xscale
2016-06-21T03:24:27 < Laurenceb__> fixed it by adding 15pG caps
2016-06-21T03:24:30 < Laurenceb__> *pF
2016-06-21T03:25:17 < Laurenceb__> I'll try it tomorrow with high end scope
2016-06-21T03:25:36 < Laurenceb__> its more rare with saleae yeah
2016-06-21T03:25:48 < Laurenceb__> I captured 3 "events" over several hours
2016-06-21T03:26:06 < Laurenceb__> each time all the lines were fine according to saleae
2016-06-21T03:26:25 < Laurenceb__> yeah I'll try adding 15pF caps to the board
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2016-06-21T03:26:53 < Laurenceb__> I had an Xscale board with very similar issues due to LC ringing of the I2C lines
2016-06-21T03:27:24 < Laurenceb__> about 5cm on this board, 10cm on Xscale
2016-06-21T03:29:55 < Laurenceb__> its just stm32 - 200ohm - 3.8k pullup to 3.3v - devices
2016-06-21T03:30:07 < Laurenceb__> no there are three devices
2016-06-21T03:30:09 < Laurenceb__> nope
2016-06-21T03:30:24 < Laurenceb__> I suspect I should have added 200ohm to each device
2016-06-21T03:30:43 < Laurenceb__> that makes pull down transients less severe - recommended in stm32 ref manual
2016-06-21T03:31:31 < Laurenceb__> I'll try with high end cope tomorrow, hopefully I can capture some v high frequency ringing
2016-06-21T03:32:40 < Laurenceb__> cya
2016-06-21T03:33:11 < Laurenceb__> Xscale interrupt controller sucked big time
2016-06-21T03:33:37 < Laurenceb__> heh I suspect breadboard would result in very different behaviour
2016-06-21T03:33:51 < Laurenceb__> nope I dont think so
2016-06-21T03:34:02 < Laurenceb__> stm32 says BERR, which means misplaced stop or start
2016-06-21T03:34:29 < ds2> how fast is this I2C bus?
2016-06-21T03:34:37 < Laurenceb__> 400khz clock
2016-06-21T03:34:44 < ds2> try it at 100KHz?
2016-06-21T03:35:16 < Laurenceb__> ds2: rest of the firmware wouldn't run lol
2016-06-21T03:35:24 < Laurenceb__> bus is in use about 80% of the time
2016-06-21T03:35:37 < Laurenceb__> I'd rather not rewrite all the thread timing
2016-06-21T03:35:37 < ds2> Oh
2016-06-21T03:36:00 < ds2> add a I2C repeater as a test?
2016-06-21T03:37:05 < ds2> 3.8K? that seems a bit high for 3.3V
2016-06-21T03:37:11 < ds2> or did I miss something
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2016-06-21T03:39:45 < Laurenceb__> ds2: well I wanted to reduce current draw
2016-06-21T03:40:08 < ds2> Laurenceb_: yes but that also increases the RC time constant
2016-06-21T03:40:20 < ds2> so the rise time would increase
2016-06-21T03:40:48 < Laurenceb__> thats good
2016-06-21T03:41:09 < Laurenceb__> rise time is much shorter than 1/400000 s
2016-06-21T03:41:26 < Laurenceb__> I suspect a short fall time is exciting resonance
2016-06-21T03:42:32 < Laurenceb__> yeah I can work out the device from the timing, its always the same device - lsm9ds1 magnetometer
2016-06-21T03:46:44 < aandrew> yay for stdperiph
2016-06-21T03:47:21 < ds2> does the lsm9ds1 provide 1 I2C bus or 2-3 like the early 6 axis parts?
2016-06-21T03:50:01 < Laurenceb__> 2
2016-06-21T03:50:53 < ds2> the mag is on its own bus?
2016-06-21T03:51:18 < Laurenceb__> yes
2016-06-21T03:51:54 < ds2> is the problem only on data read from the mag or is it related in some way to a S/R event?
2016-06-21T03:52:36 < Laurenceb__> hmm good point
2016-06-21T03:52:46 < Laurenceb__> but it seems to be related to the read
2016-06-21T03:53:04 < ds2> but is it after a S/R event (do you do that periodically?)
2016-06-21T03:53:08 < Laurenceb__> ST use honeywell IP for the magno and that thing throws out horrible emi from S/R
2016-06-21T03:53:15 < ds2> *nod*
2016-06-21T03:53:34 < ds2> lots of fun on one of the 6axis parts due to that
2016-06-21T03:53:36 < Laurenceb__> I think S/R is automatic on lsm9ds1
2016-06-21T03:53:43 < ds2> DOH
2016-06-21T03:54:12 < ds2> does S/R still screw up the accel when it happens?
2016-06-21T03:54:36 < Laurenceb__> I dont think so, no obvious periodic upsets
2016-06-21T03:55:12 < Laurenceb__> the gyro temperature sensor doesnt seem to meet spec, only 8 bits of actual data
2016-06-21T03:55:24 < Laurenceb__> other than that lsm9ds1 seems to meet datasheet spec
2016-06-21T03:55:41 < ds2> how do they expose the temperature? is it actually in degrees?
2016-06-21T03:55:59 < Laurenceb__> nope its just a raw value
2016-06-21T03:55:59 < ds2> <-- on slow link, can't really go DL datasheet, sorry.
2016-06-21T03:56:28 < Laurenceb__> there is a typical sensitivity and offset in datasheet, I used single point calibration and it seems good enough
2016-06-21T03:56:54 < ds2> I wonder if the problem will still happen if you redirect the mag x/y/z read to say the WHOAMI register
2016-06-21T03:57:18 < Laurenceb__> I guess I could try
2016-06-21T03:57:36 < Laurenceb__> there is a ublox8 gps on there
2016-06-21T03:57:53 < Laurenceb__> actually that might explain it
2016-06-21T03:58:06 < Laurenceb__> Rpi guys had massive issues with i2c on ublox
2016-06-21T03:58:17 < Laurenceb__> it has buggy clock hold
2016-06-21T03:58:59 < ds2> thought all ublox's offer UART as an option?
2016-06-21T03:59:03 < Laurenceb__> nothing showed up on saleae but I'll try with scope
2016-06-21T03:59:27 < Laurenceb__> yeah but I connected it anyway...
2016-06-21T03:59:58 < Laurenceb__> I bet this is the issue, never use ublox with stm32 i2c before
2016-06-21T04:00:13 < Laurenceb__> and Rpi guys were tearing there hair out with similar setups
2016-06-21T04:00:34 < Laurenceb__> *their
2016-06-21T04:03:01 < ds2> UARTs are simple and wonderful
2016-06-21T04:03:20 < Laurenceb__> certainly compared to i2c :D
2016-06-21T04:03:38 < ds2> wouldn't UART reduce bus utilization? IIRC - the I2C is just mostly a buffer for NMEA output anyways
2016-06-21T04:04:07 < Laurenceb__> yeah I'm using the usart to reduce i2c bus use
2016-06-21T04:04:20 < Laurenceb__> ublox i2c was just connected "anyway"
2016-06-21T04:04:41 < Laurenceb__> time to read Rpi forums and look at the bugs they had with it
2016-06-21T04:07:05 < zyp> dongs, nice
2016-06-21T04:13:03 < Laurenceb__> brainflush
2016-06-21T04:13:55 < Lux> you could also use spi for the ublox module
2016-06-21T04:14:47 < Laurenceb__> trolling comments arrive http://hackaday.com/2016/06/20/clinton-builds-a-better-handgun/
2016-06-21T04:21:35 < ds2> crt: is that even sufficient? ;)
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2016-06-21T04:38:22 < talsit> dongs: cheers
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2016-06-21T04:50:23 < Laurenceb__> reddit is full of perman00bs
2016-06-21T04:50:25 < Laurenceb__> https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/4p1d10/15000_port_fees_to_be_assessed_to_spacex_for/
2016-06-21T04:50:42 < Laurenceb__>  $15k is an utterly irrelevant cost
2016-06-21T04:51:59 < Laurenceb__>  >> /pol/
2016-06-21T04:52:02 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
2016-06-21T04:52:40 < Laurenceb__> http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1110521-alt-right
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2016-06-21T05:58:14 < dongs> rageblogging
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2016-06-21T06:06:36 < dongs> dumb as shit
2016-06-21T06:07:42 < dongs> steam
2016-06-21T06:16:19 < dongs> i read that as "now you're gay"
2016-06-21T06:36:39 < dongs> spill jizz instead
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2016-06-21T06:46:54 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Manufacturing/Design-WiFi-controlled-LED-bulb-10821012/
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2016-06-21T06:47:09 < dongs> -Budget: INR 70,000 (Includes design cost, prototyping cost, testing cost and any ancillary cost thereof)
2016-06-21T06:47:13 < dongs> ha ha ha
2016-06-21T07:00:15 < englishman> PeterM: Yoduza is a pretty famous troll
2016-06-21T07:00:34 < englishman> If you know he is trolling, it becomes pretty funny
2016-06-21T07:09:41 < dongs> yoduza is taht dude who makes over unity energy generator rght
2016-06-21T07:25:31 < qyx> yep
2016-06-21T07:27:05 < qyx> two "soshine" lifepo4 cells arrived yesterday, hopefully they will not catch fire
2016-06-21T07:28:36 < qyx> charging at ~0.2C now
2016-06-21T07:28:56 < jpa-> nah, lifepo4 will never catch fire, totally safe even from china ;)
2016-06-21T07:29:06 < dongs> yeah i thought that was their point
2016-06-21T07:29:37 < jpa-> (they'll just vent a bunch of electrolyte that is comparable to gasoline in flammability)
2016-06-21T07:29:58 < jpa-> (and heat to 200C or so)
2016-06-21T07:30:11 < jpa-> (and perhaps throw some shrapnel if the vent fails to work)
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2016-06-21T07:31:28 < qyx> totlly safe
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2016-06-21T07:51:13 < englishman> crt: that's an expensive food processor repair
2016-06-21T07:51:51 < PeterM> englishman, sometimes its hard to tell between trolls and lunix commies
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2016-06-21T07:52:03 < englishman> why don't you film your repairs and make 50k a month like Mac book repair specialist luis roasman
2016-06-21T07:52:19 < englishman> PeterM: this one is pretty special
2016-06-21T07:53:05 < PeterM> i thought all lunix commies thought they were pretty special too, thats why they need their own special snowflake setup
2016-06-21T07:55:46 < englishman> even win7 will have its 10th birthday next year
2016-06-21T07:56:16 < PeterM> you mean the other one
2016-06-21T07:56:31 < PeterM> but yeah
2016-06-21T07:57:51 < englishman> Hm?
2016-06-21T07:58:12 < englishman> Oh right vista
2016-06-21T07:58:15 < PeterM> ya
2016-06-21T07:58:21 < englishman> Close enough.
2016-06-21T07:58:47 < englishman> crt: sorry didn't see the vlog
2016-06-21T07:59:17 < englishman> that doesn't pay nearly as much as youtube
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2016-06-21T08:28:33 < Yoduza> 250V 4 mF. How much this is Amps ?
2016-06-21T08:29:22 < jpa-> it's not
2016-06-21T08:29:42 < PeterM> over 90000
2016-06-21T08:29:42 < Yoduza> How much this is Amps per second?
2016-06-21T08:30:15 < Yoduza> 90000 A per second ? :o
2016-06-21T08:30:20 < Yoduza> holy god !
2016-06-21T08:31:02 < PeterM> watch out for that lead inductance though, because the scope mightny be able to read the power level
2016-06-21T08:31:58 < Yoduza> 312W maximum. 312W/250V=1.248A per second?
2016-06-21T08:32:48 < Yoduza> I cant understand how much Amps in 250V 4 mF :(
2016-06-21T08:33:39 < PeterM> you should use your scope to measure it, you have 250v 4mf cap and a resistor right?
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2016-06-21T08:34:26 < Yoduza> capacitor + multimeter, without osciloscope
2016-06-21T08:34:37 < PeterM> ahh, suck to be you, neck yourself
2016-06-21T08:34:38 < Yoduza> multimeter show 0.00A
2016-06-21T08:34:56 < Yoduza> and 250V
2016-06-21T08:52:06 < jpa-> you seem to lack basic understanding of capacitors, and what amperes are
2016-06-21T08:52:28 < emeb_mac> the amps go marching two by two...
2016-06-21T08:52:38 < PeterM> hoo-rah hoo-rah
2016-06-21T09:12:51 < emeb_mac> yatahey
2016-06-21T09:13:42 < emeb_mac> or rather yáʼátʼééh (to use the proper spelling)
2016-06-21T09:14:46 < emeb_mac> not really
2016-06-21T09:15:19 < emeb_mac> knew a few of them over the years
2016-06-21T09:16:30 < emeb_mac> read some books on it - they do like their accent marks
2016-06-21T09:17:05 < emeb_mac> but then the navajo didn't invent the written form - that was a bunch of christian missionaries.
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2016-06-21T09:22:46 < emeb_mac> Central / Eastern?
2016-06-21T09:24:21 < emeb_mac> aha.
2016-06-21T09:24:45 < emeb_mac> got family in Seattle - drive up/down I5 thru there a lot
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2016-06-21T11:22:49 < mitrax> ohsix: those hydraulic press videos are addictive, damn you!
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2016-06-21T11:24:48 < mitrax> did you see the one with the diamond?
2016-06-21T11:25:17 < mitrax> yeah
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2016-06-21T11:59:37 < kakimir> so much useledd paper
2016-06-21T11:59:39 < kakimir> useless
2016-06-21T12:01:00 < kakimir> still the most interesting book shelf I have seen
2016-06-21T12:02:28 < kakimir> that is like.. that dude has collected those books from 90s or so
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2016-06-21T12:02:51 < kakimir> from 90s to today
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2016-06-21T12:07:30 < mitrax> i wonder how many of those books he got just so they would look cool in his shelf :p
2016-06-21T12:07:56 < kakimir> mitrax: propably major part
2016-06-21T12:08:13 < kakimir> he got the autism going and there was no stop to it
2016-06-21T12:08:51 < kakimir> he hasn't really read all them?
2016-06-21T12:09:37 < kakimir> how to collect such a bookshelf and not look like you are compensating something?
2016-06-21T12:09:56 < mitrax> don't get me wrong, there are a lot of interesting books in there, but the fact that he takes a picture about his shelf for other to see and the way it's organized says a lot :)
2016-06-21T12:11:09 < kakimir> I think he has way too many books for one man to understand
2016-06-21T12:11:42 < kakimir> or be all efficiently utilized in work or so
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2016-06-21T12:14:20 < kakimir> then reffer to book in internet chat to fuk them up
2016-06-21T12:15:03 < mitrax> ohsix: to me that spells "HEY LOOK, I'M A FIRST CLASS NERD, AND PROUD OF IT"
2016-06-21T12:18:39 < kakimir> how you even come up with these books... like you have to find every single one and even before it have to know name and general description or some information it posses
2016-06-21T12:18:52 < kakimir> and pay for them too
2016-06-21T12:21:05 < kakimir> I have like 3 books
2016-06-21T12:22:34 < kakimir> no
2016-06-21T12:22:46 < kakimir> actually send major part of my books away
2016-06-21T12:22:59 < kakimir> some for free to get rid of them
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2016-06-21T12:25:43 < kakimir> all important information is available as .pdf
2016-06-21T12:27:40 < kakimir> I propably would buy books if I get into some project or so
2016-06-21T12:28:15 < kakimir> then have related pieces so there is information and there is application
2016-06-21T12:28:30 < kakimir> like flow of information turning into practice
2016-06-21T12:29:04 < kakimir> a lot are expensive
2016-06-21T12:29:21 < kakimir> really like... hundreds of dollars a piece
2016-06-21T12:29:51 < kakimir> because there is only you and 2 other guys in world that need it
2016-06-21T12:30:17 < kakimir> you tried to synthentise drugs in your appartment?
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2016-06-21T12:38:12 < anton02> how do i convert a graphic shape into a pulse train?
2016-06-21T12:39:13 < jpa-> what would that even mean
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2016-06-21T12:46:05 < anton02> does stm32 f7 disco run at 5 or 4.4V?
2016-06-21T12:46:25 < anton02> 3.3 i mean
2016-06-21T12:46:58 < jpa-> it has 3.3V regulator on board
2016-06-21T12:47:30 < anton02> but can it pulse its GPIO at 5v at leasty
2016-06-21T12:47:54 < jpa-> nope
2016-06-21T12:48:56 < anton02> i wonder if my matrix accepts 3.3V do its shift registers
2016-06-21T12:49:12 < jpa-> some people would check the datasheet
2016-06-21T12:49:19 < anton02> there isn't one
2016-06-21T12:50:10 < jpa-> it has custom shift registers?
2016-06-21T12:50:10 < anton02> there's no brand on it
2016-06-21T12:50:23 < anton02> but on the adafruit product page they say there's no datasheet
2016-06-21T12:50:33 < jpa-> most would just use a standard 74xxx chip or similar
2016-06-21T12:50:46 < anton02> i can look at what the chips are
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2016-06-21T12:51:12 < anton02> https://learn.adafruit.com/32x16-32x32-rgb-led-matrix?view=all
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2016-06-21T12:53:55 < anton02> it has this on it http://www.depuw.com/upload/20163455336145.pdf
2016-06-21T12:55:09 < jpa-> you mostly just care about the series (74HC here), then you can check that family datasheet for the voltage levels
2016-06-21T12:56:27 < anton02> it actually says hc138 on the chip
2016-06-21T12:56:52 < anton02> there's other chips too though
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2016-06-21T13:42:30 < anton02> does GPIO_PIN_RESET set the pin to low?
2016-06-21T13:43:13 < anton02> yes
2016-06-21T13:43:58 < anton02> not sure
2016-06-21T13:44:16 < anton02> nope
2016-06-21T13:44:22 < anton02> HAL
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2016-06-21T13:46:43 < Thorn> why do they need special constants for that
2016-06-21T13:46:53 < Thorn> 1/0 and/or true/false would work just fine
2016-06-21T13:47:04 < jpa-> because HAL
2016-06-21T13:47:24 < jpa-> where 20 lines are better than one and extra layers make things better
2016-06-21T13:47:58 < Thorn> I only recently found that there is now an extra layer over freertos
2016-06-21T13:48:15 < Thorn> in HAL/cube/whatever
2016-06-21T13:48:24 < jpa-> gr8
2016-06-21T13:48:44 < Thorn> freertos api is ugly with prefixes and shit but another 1000 lines of code?
2016-06-21T13:50:01 < Thorn> it's like a web app that supports mysql, postgresql, oracle and sqlite
2016-06-21T13:50:37 < Thorn> it can only use the most basic features
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2016-06-21T14:36:44 < anton02> yay i got it working. i had to pull output enable low for some reason
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2016-06-21T15:08:48 < tecdroid> hi
2016-06-21T15:10:15 < tecdroid> can someone tell me if it is possible that an io of a non-powered STM32F1 is working as ground?
2016-06-21T15:11:15 < tecdroid> i try to repair my dso quad and can't find the reason why the charge led is red when i switch it on..
2016-06-21T15:12:23 < jpa-> there are ESD diodes that can conduct to ground
2016-06-21T15:12:36 < jpa-> but usually for DSO Quad, it is the "ideal diode" chip that is broken
2016-06-21T15:12:59 < jpa-> http://essentialscrap.com/dsoquad/DS203V2.png   U19 lower left
2016-06-21T15:13:28 < tecdroid> that was my guess after studying the schematic..
2016-06-21T15:13:51 < tecdroid> but i'm not so familiar with debugging circuits
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2016-06-21T15:14:15 < jpa-> i haven't studied it either, just read on the forums that some people have had that chip break
2016-06-21T15:14:38 < anton02> i specified in cube32mx that all of my pins should be pulled down but it didnt do that for some reason
2016-06-21T15:15:01 < tecdroid> will do.. right after i got home this eveing
2016-06-21T15:15:17 < Laurenceb__> yup, hi
2016-06-21T15:15:34 < Laurenceb__> thanx for link
2016-06-21T15:16:02 < tecdroid> thank you, jpa-
2016-06-21T15:16:54 < anton02> i specified in cube32mx that all of my pins should be pulled down but it didnt do that for some reason
2016-06-21T15:17:04 < Laurenceb__> well its pretty simple, stm32 - 200ohm - i2c bus with 3.8k pullup to 3.3v
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2016-06-21T15:17:49 < Laurenceb__> to limit slew rate during pulldown
2016-06-21T15:18:31 < Laurenceb__> a faster slew rate gives more chance of ringing
2016-06-21T15:19:02 < Laurenceb__> not a problem
2016-06-21T15:19:25 < Laurenceb__> 200*10*10^-12 is about 2ns
2016-06-21T15:19:40 < Laurenceb__> parasitic inductance and capacitance on the bus
2016-06-21T15:19:56 < Laurenceb__> st recommend to use the 200ohm resistors for this reason
2016-06-21T15:22:33 < Thorn> oscillationa are probably faster than 400kHz
2016-06-21T15:23:12 < Laurenceb__> its in the datasheet, e.g. f103 figure 32
2016-06-21T15:23:27 < Laurenceb__> yeah oscillations are like GHz range
2016-06-21T15:24:18 < Laurenceb__> 200ohm gives a few hundred Mhz low pass
2016-06-21T15:25:25  * Laurenceb__ wonders how many i2c devices would run on an impedance matched bus with Ghz clock
2016-06-21T15:25:35 < Laurenceb__> I bet quite a few lol
2016-06-21T15:25:38 < Thorn> is it possible to reduce drive strength by configuring stm32 pins btw?
2016-06-21T15:25:50 < zyp> yes
2016-06-21T15:25:58 < zyp> that's what OSPEEDR is for
2016-06-21T15:26:22 < Laurenceb__> I think thats bypassed for i2c hardware
2016-06-21T15:26:49 < zyp> why would it be?
2016-06-21T15:27:04 < zyp> even OD setting is not, you could run i2c PP if you fuck it up
2016-06-21T15:27:07 < Laurenceb__> dunno but it doesnt seem to effect timing when I look at fall time
2016-06-21T15:27:26 < Thorn> does it affect oscillations?
2016-06-21T15:27:45 < zyp> idk, I haven't tested, I just can't see any reason it would be bypassed
2016-06-21T15:28:00 < Laurenceb__> well it is stm32 i2c hardware...
2016-06-21T15:28:06 < Laurenceb__> ie a clusterfuck
2016-06-21T15:28:37 < Laurenceb__> Thorn: I don't know, have yet to capture any oscillation :S
2016-06-21T15:28:40 < Thorn> but I guess the i2c hardware ends well before the pin
2016-06-21T15:28:46 < Laurenceb__> going to try with high end scope later
2016-06-21T15:28:59 < Thorn> I thought you saw it on a scope
2016-06-21T15:29:09 < Thorn> why do you think there is oscillation?
2016-06-21T15:29:21 < Laurenceb__> because it explains the behaviour
2016-06-21T15:29:34 < Laurenceb__> and I've had that problem before on XScale
2016-06-21T15:30:35 < Laurenceb__> ohsix: on XScale it was parasitic inductance/ capacitance
2016-06-21T15:30:45 < Laurenceb__> the bus was an LC resonator
2016-06-21T15:31:47 < Thorn> what is the chance of >1GHz stuff being registered by i2c devices (<1MHz)?
2016-06-21T15:32:22 < Laurenceb__> I'd say its feasible
2016-06-21T15:32:40 < Laurenceb__> yeah I'm pretty sure SCL is unstable
2016-06-21T15:32:54 < Laurenceb__> but the question is why
2016-06-21T15:33:02 < Laurenceb__> whatever it is its very short duration
2016-06-21T15:33:12 < Laurenceb__> saleae is not picking anything up
2016-06-21T15:33:44 < Laurenceb__> no
2016-06-21T15:35:28 < Laurenceb__> odd
2016-06-21T15:35:33 < Laurenceb__> worksforme.jpg
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2016-06-21T15:41:23 < AndreeeCZ> hi! I'm trying to use an external library (alglib), but when i link it, the board (stm32f407) stops working entirely. Note that at this point the library is not called/used, only linked. What could be the reason?
2016-06-21T15:43:24 < zyp> well, you could have fucked up something when editing the makefile or whatever to link it
2016-06-21T15:44:34 < zyp> ah, wait
2016-06-21T15:44:48 < AndreeeCZ> i'm just linking the object files
2016-06-21T15:45:01 < knielsen> AndreeeCZ: depending on your link order, the library might override another function by same name that is already used. Does the program compile/link ok if you remove the link of that library, and make no other changes? Try putting the link of the library at the end of the linker command
2016-06-21T15:45:13 < zyp> AndreeeCZ, maybe the lib has init functions
2016-06-21T15:45:32 < AndreeeCZ> knielsen, it compiles and runs fine when i remove linking the .o files
2016-06-21T15:45:58 < AndreeeCZ> zyp, how do i find if the library has init functions?
2016-06-21T15:46:10 < AndreeeCZ> init functions are like main() etc?
2016-06-21T15:46:27 < zyp> check if the object files contain some .init* sections
2016-06-21T15:46:29 < AndreeeCZ> shouldn't the linker do a multiple definitions thing?
2016-06-21T15:46:35 < zyp> no, init functions are called before main()
2016-06-21T15:47:06 < AndreeeCZ> zyp, how do i read the object file?
2016-06-21T15:47:14 < zyp> objdump
2016-06-21T15:48:11 < zyp> init functions are used to initialize stuff like running constructors for global C++ objects
2016-06-21T15:48:17 < zyp> but they are not restricted to C++
2016-06-21T15:48:47 < AndreeeCZ> ok, sec
2016-06-21T15:48:52 < zyp> i.e. stuff that should run to initialize stuff that's supposed to be ready by the time main() is called
2016-06-21T15:49:03 < zyp> anyway, it might not be that
2016-06-21T15:49:13 < zyp> it might be something completely different
2016-06-21T15:49:51 < zyp> and as always, the right place to start working out a problem like this is to hook up the debugger and check the state of the chip
2016-06-21T15:50:55 < zyp> usually it has hardfaulted, and then SCB_CFSR will tell you the fault reason
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2016-06-21T15:56:48 < Lux> is it possible to have 2 vcp devices on one stm32f4 usb peripheral ?
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2016-06-21T15:59:31 < anton02> i paid more for my stm32disco than it would cost to buy a pie
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2016-06-21T16:08:56 < karlp> Lux: sure, iirc you can get 4 before you run out of endpoints on f4
2016-06-21T16:09:29 < Lux> cool
2016-06-21T16:09:39 < Lux> karlp: any ideas how to start on implementig that ?
2016-06-21T16:10:04 < Lux> or even better: is there some code example?
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2016-06-21T16:24:52 < Fleck> anyone can explain unaligned memory access?
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2016-06-21T16:25:57 < Thorn> foo *ptr; ptr % sizeof(foo) != 0
2016-06-21T16:26:56 < Fleck> ohh I see
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2016-06-21T16:47:23 < englishman> https://www.nuand.com/blog/large-bandwidth/
2016-06-21T16:47:29 < englishman> decent sdr for $200
2016-06-21T16:47:35 < englishman> reposting for ##stm32 bros
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2016-06-21T17:06:05 < Getty> oh yeah, why dont ask here........... ok, so the factory in china has..... like.... problems trying out our network product, it is like in their network it never gets an IP
2016-06-21T17:06:15 < Getty> when my distributor was there, he also was unable to get an IP in their network
2016-06-21T17:06:37 < Getty> does anyone know what could be in China common regular, which is just uncommon for us that might be the setup there that brings this situation up?
2016-06-21T17:06:51 < Getty> its so freaking hard to communicate with chinese :-/ they cant say anything beside "dont work... dont work"
2016-06-21T17:07:46 < knielsen> Getty: IPv6? (If Asia is indeed so pressed for IPv4 addresses that IPv6-only is happening)
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2016-06-21T17:07:56 < c10ud^> like, no dhcp server available?
2016-06-21T17:08:08 < knielsen> but yeah, "dont work" tends to leave only guesswork, indeed...
2016-06-21T17:08:48 < Getty> yeah that was the point i had in mind
2016-06-21T17:08:54 < Getty> could it be that its like tha tthey have also ipv6 INSIDE?
2016-06-21T17:09:03 < Getty> so that their LAN devices connect to ipv6 instead of ipv4?
2016-06-21T17:09:11 < Getty> and so their router ONLY supports ipv6?
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2016-06-21T17:09:48 < Getty> c10ud^: i dont wanna say yes ;) cause i dont have much more info beside this :-/ but it looks like
2016-06-21T17:10:06 < Getty> i have really no clue if they have for themself internet there at all, but i assume that
2016-06-21T17:10:24 < BrainDamage> ipv6 generally is used by default with slaac
2016-06-21T17:10:34 < BrainDamage> so no ip is handed to you, the device has to generate it
2016-06-21T17:10:36 < Getty> so also in LAN?
2016-06-21T17:11:02 < BrainDamage> ipv6 can be done in lan np, the question is instead if they assign ipv4
2016-06-21T17:11:08 < BrainDamage> howrever most things do
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2016-06-21T17:11:17 < Getty> yeah thats the question
2016-06-21T17:11:22 < Getty> what do a chinese person get from their provider by default
2016-06-21T17:11:36 < Getty> what is "common internet provider toolset"
2016-06-21T17:11:54 < c10ud^> is really asia so projected in the future that they don't have ipv4 anymore? the whole ipv6 thing seems to be dead in the west
2016-06-21T17:12:17 < BrainDamage> you can have a lan with ipv4 and outer address with ipv6
2016-06-21T17:12:19 < Getty> c10ud^: its a IP shortage problem, they just use it to bring them on AT ALL
2016-06-21T17:12:27 < BrainDamage> it would really sem strange to me if the lan is ipv6 only
2016-06-21T17:12:52 < BrainDamage> especially with the diffusion of ipv4 and lack of direct backwards compatibility of ipv6
2016-06-21T17:13:04 < ReadError> so, google is using IPv6 MX records now
2016-06-21T17:14:15 < Thorn> a lan uses private ip blocks -> no shortage
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2016-06-21T17:14:40 < Thorn> is it a factory / office building?
2016-06-21T17:14:48 < Getty> BrainDamage: yeah that is also my thought
2016-06-21T17:14:50 < Getty> Thorn: it is a factory
2016-06-21T17:15:06 < c10ud^> Getty, can you update the fw on your device? if so, log the failure
2016-06-21T17:15:15 < c10ud^> and send a fw update to the chinese
2016-06-21T17:15:20 < BrainDamage> Thorn: exactly, natting in a lan is done errywhere
2016-06-21T17:15:50 < Thorn> my guess is a factory would have too much ipv4-only hardware to even consider ipv6
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2016-06-21T17:16:24 < Getty> c10ud^: hahaha.......... hahahhaa............
2016-06-21T17:16:26 < Thorn> you need logging in your product
2016-06-21T17:16:41 < Getty> c10ud^: i have 64K of memory and i am happy that the network works at all ;)
2016-06-21T17:16:52 < Thorn> dhcp req/offer/ack/etc
2016-06-21T17:17:04 < Getty> you bring me to a good idea
2016-06-21T17:17:09 < Getty> i could light up a LED
2016-06-21T17:17:13 < Getty> if i receive a network package
2016-06-21T17:17:14 < Getty> generally
2016-06-21T17:17:15 < Getty> overall
2016-06-21T17:17:30 < Getty> that is good for them for testing
2016-06-21T17:17:51 < Getty> but i can also tell them to look at the lamp on the LED, i think they probably never looked at that
2016-06-21T17:17:56 < Getty> damn chinese, like working with wookies
2016-06-21T17:18:01 < Thorn> phy led (probably already have it), ip configured led, application protocol connected led
2016-06-21T17:18:18 < Getty> aehm yeah that i mean thte LED on the LAN thing
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2016-06-21T17:18:43 < Getty> i mean that they look at both, that we have a software signal of the LAN package and they see the LAN LED
2016-06-21T17:18:53 < BrainDamage> just bring a laptop
2016-06-21T17:18:58 < Getty> we btw send them already a router ;)
2016-06-21T17:19:05 < Getty> i am not going to china
2016-06-21T17:19:07 < c10ud^> lol
2016-06-21T17:19:20 < BrainDamage> then ask for a vpn connection
2016-06-21T17:19:21 < c10ud^> well, router with remote login i hope
2016-06-21T17:19:31 < c10ud^> so you can check the router logs ;
2016-06-21T17:19:43 < c10ud^> or, well, yeah, teamviewer
2016-06-21T17:19:52 < c10ud^> easiest option for the lazy
2016-06-21T17:20:02 < Getty> you expect them to setup teamviewer? ;)
2016-06-21T17:20:10 < Getty> that will be the last last last resort
2016-06-21T17:20:34 < Getty> i think about that i give them some windows network analyze thingy and they give me screenshots
2016-06-21T17:20:48 < c10ud^> well, click exe and send picture of screen lol
2016-06-21T17:20:54 < Getty> i dont know yet, i am not the one directly communicating with them, thats add additional complexity
2016-06-21T17:21:02 < Getty> yeah that is what they do
2016-06-21T17:21:14 < Getty> for the programming they do that already fine
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2016-06-21T17:22:15 < c10ud^> so they most likely can run teamviewer i guess
2016-06-21T17:22:24 < c10ud^> easiest for you i think
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2016-06-21T17:46:40 < zyp> where else would they have it?
2016-06-21T17:46:45 < zyp> sorry
2016-06-21T17:46:49 < zyp> was scrolled up
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2016-06-21T17:52:20 < inca> should I joing IEEE?
2016-06-21T17:52:29 < inca> s/joing/join/
2016-06-21T17:53:21 < syke> inca: if You need trips to conferences, and Your university likes it
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2016-06-21T18:18:00 < Lux> englishman: did you see that: https://www.crowdsupply.com/lime-micro/limesdr
2016-06-21T18:18:17 < englishman> ive heard of lime before
2016-06-21T18:18:20 < Lux> i ordered one for 200$
2016-06-21T18:18:30 < englishman> hmm what were they doing
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2016-06-21T18:19:14 < englishman> 2x2mimo cool
2016-06-21T18:19:27 < Lux> also i wonder how they want to do 124 mhz on usb3
2016-06-21T18:19:38 < Lux> iirc you run into bandwith limitations there
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2016-06-21T18:20:01 < englishman> isnt usrp arleady doing that
2016-06-21T18:20:21 < englishman> hmm guess not
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2016-06-21T18:23:38 < BrainDamage> i find the app store idea terrible, not a plus
2016-06-21T18:24:20 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-36583486
2016-06-21T18:24:26 < BrainDamage> i just want the stream, control channel and syncronization data
2016-06-21T18:26:33 < Laurenceb> wait wut
2016-06-21T18:26:39 < Laurenceb> from gsm?
2016-06-21T18:26:47 < Laurenceb> you ebil haxor
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2016-06-21T18:29:51 < kuldeep> im designing a small vt100 terminal, do you guys think, stm32f105 need TVS diode (for PS/2 and UART communication)?
2016-06-21T18:30:14 < kuldeep> (looking for practical advice :)
2016-06-21T18:30:25 < BrainDamage> buy it
2016-06-21T18:30:32 < kuldeep> *(on PS/2
2016-06-21T18:30:46 < kuldeep> BrainDamage, "buy it" ?
2016-06-21T18:31:02 < BrainDamage> buy a vt100 terminal, you asked for practical advice :p
2016-06-21T18:31:27 < kuldeep> i would one BrainDamage, where can i, and affordable?
2016-06-21T18:32:11 < BrainDamage> if you want the real thing, it's 500$ on gaybay, if you want something equivalent, put loonix on a SBC arm board and call it a day
2016-06-21T18:32:50 < kuldeep> BrainDamage, lets stick to TVS :)
2016-06-21T18:32:59 < kuldeep> *discussion
2016-06-21T18:34:06 < kuldeep> *TVS discussion
2016-06-21T18:34:10 < BrainDamage> you don't need a tvs strictly speaking, the builtin ESD protection diodes should be sufficient, but if you want extra reliability won't hurt
2016-06-21T18:34:37 < BrainDamage> esp if you plan to lug it around
2016-06-21T18:35:03 < kuldeep> "plug" ?
2016-06-21T18:35:40 < BrainDamage> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lug
2016-06-21T18:37:24 < kuldeep> BrainDamage, "great effort" somewhat incorrect. i want to fit on a palm.
2016-06-21T18:37:44 < kuldeep> *fit it
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2016-06-21T19:53:50 < dongs> lol, does anything besides gnooradio support limesdr?
2016-06-21T19:53:53 < dongs> makes it fucking useless.
2016-06-21T19:55:08 < karlp> just wait for all the ubuntu snappy apps to be developed for it!
2016-06-21T19:55:28 < aandrew> https://imgur.com/gallery/b3eVh
2016-06-21T19:59:48 < Steffanx> Are you that sexy aandrew?
2016-06-21T20:00:28 < karlp> "case" is a bit of a stretch here I've got to say: http://www.redfelineninja.org.uk/daniel/?p=415
2016-06-21T20:01:17 < karlp> heh, hackerspace in across town that could do it, but fuck it, let's freight shit from china instead
2016-06-21T20:03:21 < aandrew> I wish
2016-06-21T20:03:29 < aandrew> I can't rock a canadian flag the way that dude can
2016-06-21T20:04:03 < aandrew> lol. "case"
2016-06-21T20:04:54 < BrainDamage> karlp: aren't you busy watching that iceland bullshit video tour?
2016-06-21T20:05:58 < Laurenceb> Q: How do you know if someone is an atheist? A: He'll tell you.
2016-06-21T20:08:24 < aandrew> s/athiest/vegan/
2016-06-21T20:08:38 < aandrew> actually at the grocery store there was some idiot with the license plate "IMAVEGAN"
2016-06-21T20:08:51 < aandrew> I didn't think that meme was actually true until I saw tht
2016-06-21T20:08:52 < aandrew> that
2016-06-21T20:09:00 < karlp> BrainDamage: what stupid ros driving around the country with computer generated versions of their own music?
2016-06-21T20:09:03 < karlp> no thanks.
2016-06-21T20:09:16 < BrainDamage> i did say bullshit
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2016-06-21T20:10:03 < karlp> fire places, ferry trips, even that weather woman, sure.
2016-06-21T20:10:07 < karlp> we did 24 hours of lambing last year,
2016-06-21T20:10:11 < karlp> but fuck this bullshit
2016-06-21T20:11:16 < PeterM> Q: How do you know if someone isn't funny? A: Their name is probably Laurenceb
2016-06-21T20:11:34 < Laurenceb> s/Laurenceb/PeterM
2016-06-21T20:12:21 < PeterM> that is also true
2016-06-21T20:13:00 < dongs> PeterM: that fuckin vreg is trashing coils (only coils)
2016-06-21T20:13:04 < dongs> i guess i need to pick somethign less cheap
2016-06-21T20:13:14 < dongs> works no issues with 10uH but trashes 2.2uh
2016-06-21T20:13:39 < dongs> maybe the shitlord coils i picked are just trash
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2016-06-21T20:14:54 < aandrew> which reg is that
2016-06-21T20:18:02 < PeterM> dongs does your Vin/Vout/Fsw line up with the graph on p14? if not you'll smash inductors
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2016-06-21T20:40:09 < dongs> PeterM: ah, will take a look once im back to civilization
2016-06-21T20:41:57 < dongs> PeterM: oh, lol
2016-06-21T20:42:00 < dongs> yeah okay
2016-06-21T20:42:44 < dongs> yeah i was totalyl watching pulse skipping going on
2016-06-21T20:43:46 < dongs> kk, will adjust some stuff and see how it works
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2016-06-21T20:45:01 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR3-TtKGuw4
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2016-06-21T21:07:41 < dongs> Please find attached our invoice for services rendered and additional disbursements in the above-
2016-06-21T21:07:44 < dongs> mentioned matter.
2016-06-21T21:07:46 < dongs> Hoping the above to your satisfaction, we remain.
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2016-06-21T21:09:55 < dongs> HEY COOL, I CANT LOGIN TO MY ONLINE BANK WEBPAGE CUZ THEY"RE CLOSED
2016-06-21T21:09:59 < dongs> CUZ ITS 3AM IN JAPAN
2016-06-21T21:10:09 < dongs> AMAZING JAPANESE TECHNOLOGY
2016-06-21T21:10:16 < dongs> (FUCKING KIKES)
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2016-06-21T21:28:30 < dongs> http://www.banggood.com/search/1061196.html nice size
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2016-06-21T21:29:27 < dongs> TI tqfp? wtf
2016-06-21T21:29:58 < dongs> oh heh TVP5150AM
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2016-06-21T21:45:23 < aandrew> dongs: which reg are you using to break inductors
2016-06-21T21:49:09 < dongs> top secret
2016-06-21T21:49:13 < dongs> too many cloners in here
2016-06-21T21:49:29 < aandrew> lol
2016-06-21T21:49:30 < aandrew> ok
2016-06-21T21:49:47 < aandrew> just curious as I try to understand better inductor selection
2016-06-21T21:49:49 < aandrew> in general
2016-06-21T21:50:08 < dongs> i actually have a formulae somewehre
2016-06-21T21:50:15 < dongs> for claculating inductor shit
2016-06-21T21:50:27 < dongs> did that forsome boost regs
2016-06-21T21:52:28 < dongs> haha awesome chin datasheet
2016-06-21T21:52:35 < dongs> pushbutton right
2016-06-21T21:52:42 < dongs> overall size 3x2.5mm
2016-06-21T21:52:49 < dongs> top button is shown as 5mm diameter..
2016-06-21T21:54:43 < Laurenceb> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/NTP/1finger2ublox.jpg
2016-06-21T21:55:08 < dongs> > pic16...
2016-06-21T21:55:10 < Sync> ah that cunt again
2016-06-21T21:55:10 < dongs> le fuck
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2016-06-21T21:55:26 < Laurenceb> haxored ublox with custom rom
2016-06-21T21:55:38 < Laurenceb> hawt
2016-06-21T21:55:56 < Sync> meh
2016-06-21T21:56:03 < dongs> but does that have 10mhz output
2016-06-21T21:56:10 < Laurenceb> yes
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2016-06-21T21:56:23 < Laurenceb> its for SDR long baseline stuff
2016-06-21T21:56:49 < BrainDamage> what's the allan deviation?
2016-06-21T21:57:07 < Laurenceb> dunno no specs yet :-/
2016-06-21T21:57:16 < Laurenceb> should be up on webstore with datasheet soon
2016-06-21T21:57:29 < dongs> is he selling the shit now?
2016-06-21T21:57:36 < Laurenceb> yes
2016-06-21T21:57:42 < dongs> cuntface
2016-06-21T21:58:22 < Sync> he also complains that software does not run on his outdated mac
2016-06-21T21:58:46 < Laurenceb> lul y the hate
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2016-06-21T22:04:53 < Sync> he once was in the kicad channel and complained that shits would not build on his old as balls osx
2016-06-21T22:05:10 < dongs> kikecad, lol
2016-06-21T22:10:26 < Lux> i wonder if that guy sourced those ublox chips from china
2016-06-21T22:11:12 < Lux> iirc you can't get those for small qtys officially... at least that's what a sales rep told me
2016-06-21T22:11:48 < BrainDamage> iirc the highaltitude guys buy in bulk then resell to the community
2016-06-21T22:16:24 < dongs> jewblox
2016-06-21T22:17:26 < Laurenceb> I've got them in small quantities
2016-06-21T22:17:33 < Laurenceb> but I had to pay a lot
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2016-06-21T22:27:35 < kakimir> my first flagship phone
2016-06-21T22:27:54 < dongs> did you buy the fuckine kikeperia
2016-06-21T22:28:00 < kakimir> from years back
2016-06-21T22:28:06 < kakimir> s5 neo
2016-06-21T22:28:12 < BrainDamage> i have a kikeperia
2016-06-21T22:28:17 < kakimir> still goof
2016-06-21T22:28:21 < kakimir> good
2016-06-21T22:28:23 < BrainDamage> works really well
2016-06-21T22:28:28 < dongs> fuck sony, complete aids
2016-06-21T22:28:37 < dongs> pal has some xperia compact, i think z3 or somethign
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2016-06-21T22:28:40 < dongs> the camera on it is beyond awful
2016-06-21T22:28:49 < dongs> and so much sony shitware preinstalled
2016-06-21T22:28:51 < dongs> that you cant get rid of
2016-06-21T22:28:59 < BrainDamage> z5c here, the camera is ok, my main usage is on the cpu tought
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2016-06-21T22:29:19 < dongs> what do you do on that, crunch buttcoin?
2016-06-21T22:29:41 < kakimir> sony had like.. slow camera and stuff
2016-06-21T22:29:50 < BrainDamage> no, run a vm with a desktop i can carry around
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2016-06-21T22:30:16 < kakimir> can I run linux on android?
2016-06-21T22:30:17 < BrainDamage> it's not as fast as a real pc, but it's a tollerable compromise
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2016-06-21T22:31:22 < BrainDamage> yes you can aidsmir, but with some gotchas
2016-06-21T22:31:33 < kakimir> is there virtualization in arm brocessor?
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2016-06-21T22:31:51 < BrainDamage> you don't need virtualization for loonix
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2016-06-21T22:31:54 < BrainDamage> you can just chroot
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2016-06-21T22:32:31 < kakimir> can anything usefull be done?
2016-06-21T22:32:41 < kakimir> can I get terminal to android phone?
2016-06-21T22:33:32 < BrainDamage> you can get terminal to the chroot, and even run rdp if you want, but backwards access to the phone's functionality will be limited
2016-06-21T22:33:39 < BrainDamage> you'd have to symlink errything
2016-06-21T22:34:16 < BrainDamage> but you can do shit like run chrome, gcc, etc
2016-06-21T22:34:46 < kakimir> can I run X?
2016-06-21T22:35:19 < kakimir> maybe without local adapter?
2016-06-21T22:35:34 < kakimir> I donät know what point would be
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2016-06-21T22:36:02 < kakimir> rather have local adapter and use the phone as terminal
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2016-06-21T22:36:20 < BrainDamage> yes you can run x
2016-06-21T22:36:35 < BrainDamage> but do you actually have a use case
2016-06-21T22:36:41 < BrainDamage> or is this assburgering?
2016-06-21T22:36:49 < kakimir> really assburgerin
2016-06-21T22:36:53 < kakimir> hard
2016-06-21T22:37:23 < kakimir> I have okay computer even I don't have any reason to fool around
2016-06-21T22:41:30 < kakimir> but years back when these  multicore phones came I was like "I buy one and use lunix in it"
2016-06-21T22:41:52 < kakimir> I don't need computers
2016-06-21T22:42:11 < BrainDamage> i actually run windows in a vm
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2016-06-21T22:43:54 < Steffanx> the only thing that should run windows.
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2016-06-21T22:47:08 < kuldeep> im looking at http://hackaday.com/2010/11/08/czech-discovery-ressurects-ps2-keyboard/  the code provided in the link seems to perform bit-banging. i think, it should be possible to use hardware USART for that.
2016-06-21T22:48:16 < kuldeep> anyone who is not aware, PS/2 have CLOCK and DATA.  DATA is used for both and RX and TX with clock provided via CLOCK.
2016-06-21T22:49:00 < TheSeven> who controls the clock?
2016-06-21T22:49:18 < kuldeep> TheSeven, sender, can be uC or keyboard
2016-06-21T22:49:34 < TheSeven> ok, so how does arbitration/collision prevention work=
2016-06-21T22:49:54 < kuldeep> TheSeven, god
2016-06-21T22:50:41 < TheSeven> or do they just rely on the device not sending anything before it's initialized, and the host leaving it alone afterwards?
2016-06-21T22:51:13 < TheSeven> i.e. tolerate collisions and avoid hardware damage by just putting in some resistors
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2016-06-21T22:52:40 < kuldeep> TheSeven, im wrong http://www.computer-engineering.org/ps2protocol/ ?
2016-06-21T22:53:23 < kuldeep> (for collision)
2016-06-21T22:53:41 < TheSeven> ah, open drain
2016-06-21T22:55:35 < TheSeven> hm, interesting technique
2016-06-21T22:56:13 < TheSeven> I guess the host transfer initiation would have to be bitbanged
2016-06-21T22:57:25 < TheSeven> not sure if the USART can transmit data based on an external clock signal - that might be something that an SPI slave interface should be capable of doing though
2016-06-21T22:57:57 < TheSeven> I'd probably just go for RX-only USART in sync mode, and bitbanged TX
2016-06-21T22:58:11 < TheSeven> you basically never TX anyway
2016-06-21T22:59:28 < kuldeep> TheSeven, hum
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2016-06-21T23:04:38 < kuldeep> TheSeven, hum, the host-2-device looks like extra work that usart periph do not support. kind of negotation and transmit.
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2016-06-21T23:19:19 < Yoduza> interrupts on stm8s. Examples ?
2016-06-21T23:19:58 < Steffanx> google.
2016-06-21T23:20:32 < TheSeven> who even uses STM8? :P
2016-06-21T23:20:46 < TheSeven> given that STM32 is what? 30 cent a pop?
2016-06-21T23:21:02 < Yoduza> STM32 $0.30 ? :o
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2016-06-21T23:21:14 < Yoduza> holy god !
2016-06-21T23:21:41 < Yoduza> stm8s not need quartz for fast start ;)
2016-06-21T23:21:56 < Yoduza> 16MHz as ok
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2016-06-21T23:23:32 < kakimir> how fast start you need?
2016-06-21T23:23:34 < Steffanx> stm32 doesn't need a quartz crystal either "for fast start"
2016-06-21T23:23:47 < Steffanx> apply some power, and it'll run.
2016-06-21T23:25:04 < Yoduza> :o
2016-06-21T23:25:09 < Yoduza> hmm,nice
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2016-06-21T23:26:02 < Yoduza> TheSeven, stm32f1 for $0.3 ?
2016-06-21T23:26:23 < Steffanx> f0
2016-06-21T23:26:27 < Yoduza> ohh
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2016-06-21T23:27:17 < Steffanx> but im not sure if you can get those for 30c.
2016-06-21T23:28:43 < Yoduza> usually i buy 100x one shot
2016-06-21T23:28:59 < kuldeep> TheSeven, though i need to send command to turn on/off led on keyboard. so some bitbanging would be required.
2016-06-21T23:30:50 < kakimir> if you really need cheap and good peripherals
2016-06-21T23:31:24 < kakimir> then silabs 8051 mcus are the winner
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2016-06-21T23:31:32 < Steffanx> 8051 -_-
2016-06-21T23:31:44 < Steffanx> Better ask him to jump in front of a train.
2016-06-21T23:31:57 < kakimir> not that bad
2016-06-21T23:32:14 < kakimir> does simple things well
2016-06-21T23:32:45 < kakimir> and it's way beyond anything in features per lowest price
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2016-06-21T23:44:14 < Yoduza> f0. Most coun of pins ? Which name ?
2016-06-21T23:44:18 < Yoduza> *count
2016-06-21T23:44:58 < Steffanx> http://essentialscrap.com/tips/stm32prices/
2016-06-21T23:45:32 < Yoduza> :o holy god !
2016-06-21T23:46:12 < ReadError> bah something fucked up in altium
2016-06-21T23:46:24 < ReadError> my mechanical pair is showing on both sides ;(
2016-06-21T23:46:52 < TheSeven> Yoduza: the absolute cheapest stm32 is stm32f030f4p6. 20 pin tssop package
2016-06-21T23:47:07 < TheSeven> and below 50 cents a pop @100pcs in china
2016-06-21T23:47:48 < kuldeep> TheSeven, "USART synchronous mode" : "The USART supports master mode only: it cannot receive or send data related to an input clock (CK is always an output)."   RM0008   DocID13902 Rev 16    p811/1137
2016-06-21T23:48:14 < TheSeven> kuldeep: SPI might help you then
2016-06-21T23:48:31 < TheSeven> but not sure if it would really be any better than bitbanging
2016-06-21T23:48:32 < aandrew> Steffanx: well done, that should be up in the /topic
2016-06-21T23:48:43 < aandrew> dongs: make that happen yo
2016-06-21T23:48:56 < aandrew> unrelated: limesdr actually looks decent
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2016-06-21T23:49:49 < Steffanx> Dongs does not have the power to do that :P
2016-06-21T23:50:38 < TheSeven> which doesn't mean that he doesn't have the power to make it happen :P
2016-06-21T23:50:40 < kuldeep> TheSeven, SPI could help. could try to emulate USRT in SPI
2016-06-21T23:51:05 < kakimir> Yoduza: also lpc1000 series worth loking at
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2016-06-21T23:53:58 < kakimir> http://fi.farnell.com/nxp/lpc1111fhn33-201/mcu-32bit-cortex-m0-50mhz-hvqfn/dp/1786281?CMP=GRHB-FINDCHIPS
2016-06-21T23:54:48 < kakimir> it's around one euro
2016-06-21T23:54:58 < kakimir> depending on quantity
2016-06-21T23:58:01 < kakimir> http://www.findchips.com/search/LPC1111FHN33
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2016-06-22T00:08:40 < kuldeep> TheSeven, bitbanging look promising.
2016-06-22T00:11:09 < diddly> would anyone here know if I can upgrade the STLink firmware on this old stm32vl discovery?  It currently has V1
2016-06-22T00:11:34 < diddly> I tried with the STM32 ST Link utility, and got some weird messages
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2016-06-22T00:22:27 < kuldeep> TheSeven, f105 SPI do not have configurable number of bits to transmit in SPI. and i need 10bit data reading.
2016-06-22T00:22:41 < kuldeep> so, im left with bitbanging only. :|
2016-06-22T00:32:54 < Fleck> anyone can explain Instruction bus error?
2016-06-22T00:33:13 < Fleck> gmorning ohsix
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2016-06-22T00:39:08 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-06-22T00:39:17 < dongs> fleck and ohsix would get together well
2016-06-22T00:39:23 < dongs> both insane autistic fucks
2016-06-22T00:39:51 < dongs> diddly: yea you can
2016-06-22T00:40:04 < dongs> download latest stlink-utility and see
2016-06-22T00:40:15 < dongs> oh, you said that.
2016-06-22T00:40:16 < dongs> weird.
2016-06-22T00:40:26 < dongs> i have an old VL and i recall updating it at some point
2016-06-22T00:41:03 < diddly> dongs: yea, it said to contact ST (doesn't say that when I tested on my STLINKV2 boards).  So I did, lets see where that gets me
2016-06-22T00:41:08 < dongs> kuldeep: none of STM32 SPI peripherals have configurable bits?
2016-06-22T00:41:20 < dongs> diddly: see you in 8 months
2016-06-22T00:41:53 < kakimir> interestin doc ohsix
2016-06-22T00:41:56 < diddly> dongs: above average then
2016-06-22T00:42:02 < kakimir> what does your nick mean ohsix ?
2016-06-22T00:42:33 < diddly> dongs: is yours handy, would you be able to query the stlink version of it?
2016-06-22T00:43:26 < kakimir> dongs: have you forgot me already?
2016-06-22T00:44:05 < kakimir> 00:39 < dongs> both insane autistic fucks
2016-06-22T00:44:07 < dongs> diddly: no, its about 3386 miles away
2016-06-22T00:44:34 < dongs> but yes it is V1
2016-06-22T00:44:42 < dongs> i remember that much
2016-06-22T00:44:55 < dongs> because the V1 doesn't do something (swo maybe?) that V2s do
2016-06-22T00:45:08 < dongs> and people recommend getting another discovery F0? maybe if one wanted V2 stlink
2016-06-22T00:45:12 < dongs> but anyway, firmware does upgrade
2016-06-22T00:45:18 < dongs> to wahtever latest V1 version is.
2016-06-22T00:45:28 < BrainDamage> i have a v1, the v1 bullshits its way implementing usb mass storage
2016-06-22T00:45:41 < BrainDamage> v2 doesn't
2016-06-22T00:45:42 < kakimir> ohsix: star of david is favourite symbol of dongs
2016-06-22T00:45:44 < dongs> o yeah mass storage
2016-06-22T00:45:47 < dongs> with a .html file on it
2016-06-22T00:45:49 < dongs> to st.com
2016-06-22T00:45:50 < dongs> right?
2016-06-22T00:45:52 < BrainDamage> yep
2016-06-22T00:45:59 < diddly> yeah I blacklist the UMS, it breaks linux
2016-06-22T00:46:18 < dongs> something has to work
2016-06-22T00:46:21 < dongs> in order to be broken
2016-06-22T00:46:24 < diddly> lol
2016-06-22T00:50:13 < jadew> ohsix, a lot of "borrowing" and "sharing" in that video
2016-06-22T00:50:18 < jadew> when in fact it's just IP stealing
2016-06-22T00:50:57 < Fleck> ohsix: yeah, compiler
2016-06-22T00:51:02 < Fleck> thanks! :)
2016-06-22T00:51:04 < BrainDamage> cloners gotta clone
2016-06-22T00:51:29 < kakimir> that shenhzen video?
2016-06-22T00:51:31 < kakimir> ohsix:
2016-06-22T00:51:35 < jadew> yeah
2016-06-22T00:52:27 < jadew> they say that when a worker at a company takes a photo of the schematic of the device, leaves the company and then makes a similar product, is sharing :)
2016-06-22T00:52:33 < jadew> or "making it opensource"
2016-06-22T00:53:52 < dongs> is it autism hour? fleck against ohsix, who will win?
2016-06-22T00:55:55 < kakimir> ;D
2016-06-22T00:56:21 < kakimir> joy of having vain conversation for hours
2016-06-22T00:56:37 < kakimir> - the best syndrome
2016-06-22T00:58:08 < jadew> and on the subject of shit from china, aliexpress isn't working
2016-06-22T00:58:10 < jadew> I can't pay
2016-06-22T00:58:25 < dongs> lol aliexpress
2016-06-22T00:58:36 < kakimir> what you doing on that page?
2016-06-22T00:58:50 < jadew> buying stuff
2016-06-22T00:59:02 < jadew> there's something better out there?
2016-06-22T01:01:47 < dongs> ask ohsix i bet he knows all about product sourcing
2016-06-22T01:02:03 < kakimir> they say that ali is the best but I don't buy it
2016-06-22T01:10:06 < dongs> still cant login to my bank
2016-06-22T01:10:07 < dongs> 7.10am
2016-06-22T01:10:13 < dongs> japan is fucking awesome
2016-06-22T01:10:27 < jadew> they open the website at 8?
2016-06-22T01:10:38 < dongs> 8 or 9 dunno
2016-06-22T01:10:39 < Sync> ohsix: cloners gonna clone
2016-06-22T01:10:42 < dongs> obviously not at 7
2016-06-22T01:10:44 < jadew> heh
2016-06-22T01:11:02 < Sync> yeah dongs, it is completely retarded that they do that
2016-06-22T01:11:34 < jadew> it was probably easier than postponing transactions until morning
2016-06-22T01:11:46 < dongs> dont worry, they pospone them anyway
2016-06-22T01:11:58 < dongs> wanna send moeny after 3pm? tough shit, wait until tomorrow
2016-06-22T01:12:04 < jadew> hehe
2016-06-22T01:12:26 < dongs> TI altidong reference designs use *unique* part# for all the different-valued caps
2016-06-22T01:12:49 < jadew> well, depends on what the design is for
2016-06-22T01:13:01 < dongs> anything
2016-06-22T01:13:06 < kakimir> no 24hour online banking?
2016-06-22T01:13:09 < kakimir> da faq?
2016-06-22T01:13:13 < jadew> if it's a DC-DC converter, they may be choosen based on ESR and things like that
2016-06-22T01:13:49 < dongs> jadew: yea sure, but i just reuse same symbol and if theres different propeties i edit them
2016-06-22T01:14:15 < dongs> they have 0.1 0.01 uf / 1000pf stuff in bypass caps and its a different component for all 3
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2016-06-22T01:28:39 < dongs> apparently there's drama with limesdr funding
2016-06-22T01:28:45 < dongs> it gained something like 100k in less than 24 hours
2016-06-22T01:29:43 < jadew> what drama?
2016-06-22T01:29:57 < dongs> thats the drama
2016-06-22T01:30:02 < dongs> probably project oners buying their own shit
2016-06-22T01:30:08 < dongs> owners
2016-06-22T01:30:11 < dongs> so i ts clearly overpriced
2016-06-22T01:30:18 < dongs> if they're able to invest 100k of hteir own
2016-06-22T01:30:23 < Yoduza> overpriced :D
2016-06-22T01:30:30 < Yoduza> :o
2016-06-22T01:30:38 < dongs> anyway the market for that shit is super limited anyway
2016-06-22T01:30:49 < jadew> not really
2016-06-22T01:30:54 < dongs> yes really
2016-06-22T01:31:03 < jadew> 60 MHz bandwidth, that's awesome
2016-06-22T01:31:11 < dongs> to do what?
2016-06-22T01:31:15 < jadew> and 100 kHz to 3.8 GHz coverage
2016-06-22T01:31:23 < dongs> again, who cares?
2016-06-22T01:31:34 < dongs> and only supported by gnu./turd radio, good luck
2016-06-22T01:31:47 < jadew> I would, I'll get one once it's out
2016-06-22T01:32:11 < dongs> $4 rtlsdr dongle does same thing
2016-06-22T01:32:16 < dongs> for 99% of people out there
2016-06-22T01:32:23 < dongs> and has acutally usable software
2016-06-22T01:32:27 < dongs> (sdr# or whatever)
2016-06-22T01:34:48 < jadew> the USB connector is stupid tho
2016-06-22T01:34:53 < jadew> WTF... USB-A
2016-06-22T01:37:52 < jadew> why is that pack 100 units priced at 100k
2016-06-22T01:37:58 < jadew> who would buy it?
2016-06-22T01:38:05 < jadew> (someone did)
2016-06-22T01:40:31 < dongs> i could buy it but i dont need it
2016-06-22T01:43:27 < kakimir> status light in phone is nice
2016-06-22T01:43:34 < kakimir> why go without it
2016-06-22T01:50:15 < jadew> ohsix, it doesn't favor the larger entities
2016-06-22T01:50:32 < jadew> I'm not a large entity, yet, if I make something cool, china will clone the shit out of my business
2016-06-22T01:50:56 < dongs> jadew, china clones the shit out of stuff i make and i  still have a business
2016-06-22T01:51:27 < jadew> dongs, you'd probably make more if they didn't
2016-06-22T01:51:35 < dongs> i probably dont care
2016-06-22T01:52:37 < englishman> jadew: dongs probably makes more because they do
2016-06-22T01:53:52 < jadew> ohsix, it's a practice that inhibits innovation
2016-06-22T01:54:05 < jadew> at best, it forces shitty practices on the part of original manufacturers
2016-06-22T01:54:15 < jadew> like pushing a product out and then ditching it
2016-06-22T01:54:51 < jadew> they may search for something that does X
2016-06-22T01:54:53 < jadew> and they find the clone
2016-06-22T01:55:09 < jadew> I don't understand how you don't see this as a problem
2016-06-22T01:55:31 < jadew> currently, if you want to launch a product, you have to actually take this into account and make sure you get brand recognition before clones come out
2016-06-22T01:55:43 < jadew> this is an actual constraint in your business plan
2016-06-22T01:56:02 < jadew> what? trying to make money from your work?
2016-06-22T01:56:23 < jadew> ohsix, that works if you're selling spoons
2016-06-22T01:56:30 < englishman> pretty sure sparkfun is still selling china trash and making money
2016-06-22T01:56:34 < englishman> as they have for 10 years
2016-06-22T01:57:15 < jadew> englishman, yeah, but that's what they do... I don't see your point
2016-06-22T01:57:36 < dongs> donno man
2016-06-22T01:57:39 < dongs> make something peple want
2016-06-22T01:57:41 < dongs> it'll sell
2016-06-22T01:57:41 < englishman> it doesnt matter that someone else sells the exact same thing
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2016-06-22T01:57:49 < englishman> you can sell it at a higher price and offer no extra value
2016-06-22T01:57:52 < englishman> and people will byy it
2016-06-22T01:58:15 < jadew> englishman, of course it matters if it's YOUR product
2016-06-22T01:58:24 < jadew> you have to recover R&D for one
2016-06-22T01:58:51 < jadew> and if you don't move fast enough, you're not going to to
2016-06-22T01:59:03 < jadew> ohsix, that's a different story
2016-06-22T01:59:05 < dongs> well dont give your shit away bro
2016-06-22T01:59:13 < dongs> your retail should include your fucking R&D
2016-06-22T01:59:26 < englishman> if you sell stuff at 2x the price and sell half as much, you make more money
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2016-06-22T01:59:40 < jadew> of course, but if your product doesn't become known fast enough, you risk getting cloned
2016-06-22T01:59:59 < jadew> ohsix, so it sells faster
2016-06-22T02:00:08 < jadew> so you can recover your investment
2016-06-22T02:00:11 < dongs> jadew, if nobosy knows your shit = nobody wants it = nobody is gonna clone it
2016-06-22T02:00:42 < jadew> ohsix, what do you mean?
2016-06-22T02:01:32 < dongs> chinks arent dumb, tehy dont clone shit people dont buy
2016-06-22T02:02:08 < jadew> ohsix, it has everything to do with china
2016-06-22T02:02:20 < jadew> you have to take that stuff into account before you decide if something is worth doing or not
2016-06-22T02:04:01 < jadew> ohsix, it's a problem you have to consider
2016-06-22T02:04:26 < jadew> it doesn't matter if you think it's "a free market", in reality, it's a problem you have to overcome or plan for
2016-06-22T02:04:51 < jadew> that's not an argument
2016-06-22T02:05:09 < jadew> and why would I buy the clones?
2016-06-22T02:05:16 < jadew> when I make the original hardware?
2016-06-22T02:05:28 < jadew> by buying shit hardware?
2016-06-22T02:05:33 < jadew> and ruining my reputation
2016-06-22T02:05:38 < jadew> because it always is
2016-06-22T02:05:51 < jadew> if they can take a cap out, they will
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2016-06-22T02:07:46 < jadew> I don't care, I would prefer it if they didn't have the opportunity to buy MY design from somewhere else
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2016-06-22T02:08:12 < jadew> competing with your own products is absurd
2016-06-22T02:08:23 < jadew> and there's nothing fair about it
2016-06-22T02:08:58 < jadew> of course it does
2016-06-22T02:09:04 < jadew> hackrf blue for example
2016-06-22T02:09:12 < jadew> opensource project
2016-06-22T02:09:20 < jadew> they made one with cheaper components
2016-06-22T02:09:26 < jadew> pretty much killing the original one
2016-06-22T02:09:54 < jadew> where's the incentive for the guy that make the original one to actually improve it? - gone
2016-06-22T02:10:07 < Laurenceb__> looks like my i2c issues were caused by ublox
2016-06-22T02:10:14 < dongs> wat
2016-06-22T02:11:09 < jadew> it's cloning
2016-06-22T02:11:18 < jadew> there's a lot to do for it
2016-06-22T02:11:30 < jadew> this company for example was killed by clones: http://www.usbee.com/company.htm
2016-06-22T02:12:39 < jadew> ohsix, there's a lot that can be improved in software and that can include new software
2016-06-22T02:13:10 < jadew> also, the argument that "he's work is done" is also a shitty argument for basically stealing his business away
2016-06-22T02:14:07 < jadew> dude, if someone copies your product and sells it, it has stolen business from you
2016-06-22T02:14:14 < jadew> you can call it whatever you like, but that's what it is
2016-06-22T02:14:27 < kakimir> https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/hb-sib/
2016-06-22T02:14:31 < jadew> and not only business, but he has stolen your time, because it is you who designed it
2016-06-22T02:15:20 < jadew> ohsix, it's not a logical fallacy
2016-06-22T02:15:31 < jadew> if you want to buy some shit and there's only one of that shit
2016-06-22T02:15:39 < jadew> you're either not going to buy it or buy it
2016-06-22T02:15:42 < jadew> if there's two
2016-06-22T02:15:46 < jadew> you might buy the other one
2016-06-22T02:16:01 < jadew> so the first shit will have less sales
2016-06-22T02:16:28 < jadew> I don't know, maybe not everyone who would buy the first shit would otherwise buy the second one
2016-06-22T02:16:31 < jadew> but some might
2016-06-22T02:17:00 < jadew> it's irational to assume that because you can't quantize it, you can't say it's true
2016-06-22T02:17:16 < jadew> it's a perfectly resonable assumption
2016-06-22T02:17:49 < jadew> you can't quantify something that doesn't exist yet
2016-06-22T02:18:28 < jadew> you can safely make the assumption that if another product shows up that is like yours and cheaper, a large portion of your possible customers will buy that instead of your product
2016-06-22T02:18:39 < jadew> you can't ignore this on the basis that you don't know how many
2016-06-22T02:19:28 < jadew> because it affects the outcome you have predicted or are hoping for
2016-06-22T02:19:36 < jadew> it can completely destroy your long term plans
2016-06-22T02:19:45 < Laurenceb__> asperger king
2016-06-22T02:19:50 < Laurenceb__> the irc channel
2016-06-22T02:20:42 < jadew> ohsix, yes, which can be mitigated in various ways, which is why you have to plan for it
2016-06-22T02:21:16 < jadew> ohsix, that's the problem it forces you into business practices that are not always benefical, for any of the involved parties (except the cloners)
2016-06-22T02:22:34 < englishman> Laurenceb__: anything funny today
2016-06-22T02:22:40 < Laurenceb__> i2c is failing
2016-06-22T02:22:43 < Laurenceb__> same as normal
2016-06-22T02:22:48 < englishman> tahts pretty funny
2016-06-22T02:22:55 < Laurenceb__> hatebus
2016-06-22T02:23:33 < Laurenceb__> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-yNAMwh1GreU/U2jIPWthQLI/AAAAAAAAl60/kHxEpBO3j_8/s1600/Riding+the+Hate+Bus,+1961+%285%29.jpeg
2016-06-22T02:24:01 < dongs> laurenceb.jpg
2016-06-22T02:24:09 < Laurenceb__> I'm pretty sure its the ublox now
2016-06-22T02:24:23 < Laurenceb__> errors correlate exactly to when the ublox has a lot of sats
2016-06-22T02:25:13 < Laurenceb__> lul just spotted guy inside hate bus
2016-06-22T02:25:33 < Laurenceb__> no
2016-06-22T02:25:53 < dongs> sounds like youve got a shitty noisy design
2016-06-22T02:25:58 < dongs> no surprise since eagle
2016-06-22T02:26:10 < dongs> non-pro tools lead to non-pro results
2016-06-22T02:26:45 < Laurenceb__> solution is simples
2016-06-22T02:26:55 < Laurenceb__> use UBX config to turn off ublox i2c
2016-06-22T02:27:06 < dongs> why do you ahve jewblox i2c connected?
2016-06-22T02:27:24 < dongs> is it even usable for anything>>
2016-06-22T02:27:29 < Laurenceb__> cuz I fail
2016-06-22T02:27:31 < dongs> i thought its purpsoe was for external eeprom so it can store the satelltie data
2016-06-22T02:27:36 < Laurenceb__>  "I thought it might be useful"
2016-06-22T02:27:43 < Laurenceb__> nah you can grab data over i2c too
2016-06-22T02:27:54 < dongs> rly? not on shit i uread about
2016-06-22T02:28:01 < Laurenceb__> yup
2016-06-22T02:28:04 < dongs> but i last dicked wiht like neo6 or somethign
2016-06-22T02:28:12 < dongs> itwas master only
2016-06-22T02:28:17 < Laurenceb__> if you are LeoBodnar you also grab the firmware image over i2c
2016-06-22T02:28:20 < Laurenceb__> cuz haxor
2016-06-22T02:28:27 < dongs> more like LeoBoner
2016-06-22T02:29:14 < jadew> ffs, now I can't even login to aliexpress
2016-06-22T02:29:26 < jadew> they have some captcha that errors out when I start typing
2016-06-22T02:30:01 < Laurenceb__> ohsix: well this is first time I've ever seen BERR on stm32 i2c and I've made some really ropey systems
2016-06-22T02:30:12 < Laurenceb__> like 400khz down 3m of cable and stuff
2016-06-22T02:30:40 < Laurenceb__> and ublox is known to wreck Rpi I2C
2016-06-22T02:31:22 < kuldeep> is it a good idea to drive backlight LED of LCD (maximum 20mA per led)  using STM32F105 gpio. (absolute maximum: 25mA). each led have different gpio.  there are 4 led's
2016-06-22T02:31:26 < kuldeep> ?
2016-06-22T02:32:07 < kuldeep> (i will use timer to control the intensity.)
2016-06-22T02:32:47 < kuldeep> crt, ?
2016-06-22T02:33:13 < kuldeep> crt, :p
2016-06-22T02:33:16 < kuldeep> lol
2016-06-22T02:33:36 < kuldeep> crt, huh?
2016-06-22T02:34:39 < kuldeep> i can save one mofset. :)
2016-06-22T02:35:35 < kuldeep> 4 led on 4 gpio.
2016-06-22T02:35:39 < kuldeep> nothing more
2016-06-22T02:37:13 < dongs> kuldeep: its fine. i drive RGB led off stm gpio in  like 4 different boards
2016-06-22T02:37:25 < dongs> through 100R
2016-06-22T02:37:50 < dongs> yeah there' a max thing but youre not gonna break anything
2016-06-22T02:37:54 < Laurenceb__> its annoying as I need to go outside to test
2016-06-22T02:38:00 < Laurenceb__> inb4 lul basement
2016-06-22T02:38:02 < dongs> stick them on 4 timer channels and make them a bit darker if youre that worried
2016-06-22T02:39:01 < kuldeep> thanks crt
2016-06-22T02:39:08 < Laurenceb__> never played with that
2016-06-22T02:39:14 < kuldeep> (im going for mofset)
2016-06-22T02:39:23 < dongs> i wouldnt
2016-06-22T02:39:42 < dongs> what kinda led is this? just generic indicator shit?
2016-06-22T02:39:53 < dongs> or some high power crap
2016-06-22T02:40:49 < Laurenceb__> cannabis growlamp
2016-06-22T02:40:59 < dongs> stonerz
2016-06-22T02:41:26 < Laurenceb__> I met a guy doing a PhD on growlamps
2016-06-22T02:41:46 < Laurenceb__> he claimed subscriptions to stoner mags under expenses
2016-06-22T02:42:51 < Laurenceb__> that would require connecting it to ublox
2016-06-22T02:43:14 < Laurenceb__> I think I'll just try turning off i2c using UBX then leaving it for 6 hours just on its own
2016-06-22T02:43:30 < Laurenceb__> then run matlab script over logged data to hunt for glitches
2016-06-22T02:45:10 < Sync> nice Laurenceb__
2016-06-22T02:45:44 < Laurenceb__> iirc I had issues with ublox5 on avr, but that was ages ago lol
2016-06-22T02:46:06 < Laurenceb__> ohsix: yeah but it gets progressively more of a pita and takes hours to set up
2016-06-22T02:46:23 < Laurenceb__> I'll try a 'shot in the dark' approach first 2morrow
2016-06-22T02:49:10 < dongs> cumshot in the dark
2016-06-22T02:50:31 < dongs> who the fuck thought glossy screens is a good idea
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2016-06-22T02:53:50 < Laurenceb__>  "Build a wall"
2016-06-22T02:53:56 < Laurenceb__> double meaning too
2016-06-22T02:58:00 < dongs> HDMI-A or HDMI-D
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2016-06-22T03:01:15 < anton02> how do you smart clean up your code indentation in keil
2016-06-22T03:01:34 < dongs> you don't. write properly indented code from beginnning
2016-06-22T03:01:40 < dongs> or indent.exe that shit externally
2016-06-22T03:01:46 < anton02> that's not very good
2016-06-22T03:03:16 < jadew> I don't know of any IDE that idents code for you
2016-06-22T03:03:53 < anton02> matlab, android, probably eclipse
2016-06-22T03:04:04 < jadew> so noob tools
2016-06-22T03:04:31 < jadew> re-indenting tools are not even like training wheels, they're just made to handle shit code
2016-06-22T03:04:46 < anton02> X-code
2016-06-22T03:05:57 < jadew> I write proper code since I was little
2016-06-22T03:06:06 < jadew> there's no old code of mine that needs re-indenting
2016-06-22T03:06:57 < jadew> which brings us to my previous statement - noob tools
2016-06-22T03:07:14 < jadew> which are better not used
2016-06-22T03:07:18 < jadew> because then you learn nothing
2016-06-22T03:07:22 < dongs> yeah just write non-shit code to begin wiht
2016-06-22T03:07:40 < jadew> ohsix, not to write shit code?
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2016-06-22T03:07:55 < jadew> it's one of the first things you have to learn
2016-06-22T03:08:30 < jadew> oh, believe me, if the indenting sucks, the code sucks too
2016-06-22T03:09:11 < jadew> yeah, that's first
2016-06-22T03:09:27 < jadew> if you're still at that point when you're writing other code, it means you're still at that point
2016-06-22T03:10:17 < dongs> if the indenting sucks, the code sucks too
2016-06-22T03:10:20 < dongs> this x 1000
2016-06-22T03:10:43 < dongs> something i totally agree with
2016-06-22T03:10:56 < anton02> you agree with yourself?
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2016-06-22T03:11:58 < jadew> ohsix, if the IDE formats it bad and the programmer can't tell, then you can dismiss it just the same
2016-06-22T03:12:13 < jadew> but yeah, well formatted code is not necessarily good
2016-06-22T03:12:23 < jadew> but poorly formated code is always crap
2016-06-22T03:13:01 < jadew> it means the logic is stupid
2016-06-22T03:13:35 < jadew> it may get the job done, but it could either do it in a more complicated way than necessary or it can have lots of bugs
2016-06-22T03:13:41 < jadew> ohsix, yes
2016-06-22T03:14:06 < jadew> it's actually my job
2016-06-22T03:14:19 < jadew> I look at my collegues code and have them re-do it
2016-06-22T03:14:22 < jadew> (if it's shit)
2016-06-22T03:15:25 < jadew> it has to go into the repo before I get it
2016-06-22T03:15:39 < jadew> and it's not about taste
2016-06-22T03:15:50 < jadew> it's about introducing fail points
2016-06-22T03:15:55 < jadew> you don't want that
2016-06-22T03:16:08 < dongs> autism hour ~
2016-06-22T03:16:26 < decimad> good code bad code chatcom!
2016-06-22T03:16:34 < dongs> let's talk about C++
2016-06-22T03:16:36 < dongs> in embedded
2016-06-22T03:16:43 < jadew> ohsix, if you want my opinion, yes
2016-06-22T03:17:09 < jadew> ohsix, one part of my job is getting juniors to code properly
2016-06-22T03:17:42 < jadew> if I let them do whatever they want and not correct bad code, that's not helping them get there
2016-06-22T03:17:59 < dongs> jadew: ohsix is right and youre wrong, thats how he rolls
2016-06-22T03:18:00 < dongs> hes the expert
2016-06-22T03:18:05 < dongs> but you're the one getting paid $
2016-06-22T03:18:10 < dongs> its an endless circle of expert
2016-06-22T03:18:21 < jadew> ohsix, I never tell them "because I say so"
2016-06-22T03:18:24 < decimad> About what kind of badness are we talking? Since perfection is not possible I'm wondering about the metrics ;)
2016-06-22T03:18:35 < jadew> I'm not an artist
2016-06-22T03:18:39 < jadew> I can see WHY something is wrong
2016-06-22T03:18:54 < dongs> for(i=0;i<100; i++)  {
2016-06-22T03:19:06 < dongs>  fuck_off( i) ;
2016-06-22T03:19:07 < dongs> }
2016-06-22T03:19:09 < dongs> ^ bad
2016-06-22T03:20:10 < jadew> but one goes from 0 to 99, the other one goes from 100 to 1
2016-06-22T03:20:23 < decimad> i=100 then while pollutes function name space
2016-06-22T03:20:28 < dongs> autism goes to 11
2016-06-22T03:21:07 < jadew> ohsix, that's still not the same, because it goes from 100 to 0
2016-06-22T03:21:11 < jadew> that's 101 values :)
2016-06-22T03:21:49 < jadew> what decimad said is also true, it polutes the scope, but you're also right in one regard, there are instructions specifically for it
2016-06-22T03:22:13 < dongs> so yeah
2016-06-22T03:22:16 < jadew> on x86 there's loop I think, which automatically decrements cx and loops until 0
2016-06-22T03:22:22 < dongs> HDMI-A, HDMI-C or HDMI-D
2016-06-22T03:22:24 < dongs> discuss
2016-06-22T03:22:34 < decimad> intent over opcode matching... that's what the compiler does
2016-06-22T03:23:25 < jadew> dongs, I didn't even knew there were more standards
2016-06-22T03:23:37 < dongs> jadew: plug size
2016-06-22T03:23:48 < dongs> hdmi-a = stnadard, hdmi=d = micro, ahdn either c or b is the mini
2016-06-22T03:23:57 < jadew> ah and the protocol is the same?
2016-06-22T03:24:02 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-22T03:24:05 < jadew> good to know
2016-06-22T03:25:10 < jadew> ohsix, it's never nice to stomp over someone else's code, so I refrain from being subjective as much as I can
2016-06-22T03:25:34 < jadew> it's all about possible fail points and how reworkable the code is
2016-06-22T03:25:50 < dongs> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/HDMI_Connector.jpg
2016-06-22T03:26:20 < dongs> D is not awful and i've seen it on some products
2016-06-22T03:26:26 < dongs> i've seen Con some canon DSLRs
2016-06-22T03:26:40 < dongs> A is just fucking huge would rather avoid
2016-06-22T03:27:10 < jadew> I've only seen A
2016-06-22T03:27:18 < decimad> mehmeh, I could really live a 64-lqfp sm32f107 but I don't know if it will be quick enough :-/ yet there's no drop in replaceable 407 let alone 7xx
2016-06-22T03:27:41 < dongs> decimad: 107 and 405 is pin compatible, just need a couple jumpers and vcap caps
2016-06-22T03:27:47 < dongs> yo ucan certianly make a board that tkes both
2016-06-22T03:27:52 < jadew> ohsix, that's the difference between the opensource and paid stuff :)
2016-06-22T03:27:55 < dongs> i know i did it for 64pin 10340x
2016-06-22T03:28:07 < decimad> I think the stm32f4 with ethernet can are 100+
2016-06-22T03:28:12 < dongs> no
2016-06-22T03:28:16 < dongs> 405 has ethernet
2016-06-22T03:28:22 < jadew> ohsix, it doesn't matter if I don't like to work on a piece of code, if I have to, I have to
2016-06-22T03:29:14 < decimad> cube-mx app doesn't show ethernet
2016-06-22T03:30:00 < decimad> I'll check reference manual
2016-06-22T03:30:56 < dongs> decimad, i have a product with 64pin 405 and an ethernet phy
2016-06-22T03:31:03 < dongs> datasheet also shows eth_* pins on 64pin devices
2016-06-22T03:31:14 < dongs> not sure what cube is doing :)
2016-06-22T03:31:32 < decimad> then mx is broken, thought I could use it as a quick capability tool -.-
2016-06-22T03:31:51 < dongs> it generally has been right, are you sure youre not ufcking something up
2016-06-22T03:31:56 < dongs> using latest verison>
2016-06-22T03:33:10 < jadew> ohsix, there's a lot of value in hating to correct broken code
2016-06-22T03:33:11 < decimad> It's V4.15.1
2016-06-22T03:33:38 < jadew> it means that next time you're about to write broken code, you'll think twice about it and you might succeed writing something that doesn't have to be fixed
2016-06-22T03:34:18 < jadew> but generally speaking, you don't refactor things that are okish
2016-06-22T03:35:10 < decimad> I would do, if that okish then transmit to users of the okish ;)
2016-06-22T03:35:28 < jadew> decimad, yeah, it depends on the situation
2016-06-22T03:36:59 < decimad> dongs: yeah, the manual shows, thank you. Either cube is broken or I am, but cube seems to be the reasonable cause ;)
2016-06-22T03:37:38 < dongs> decimad: yea not sure. youre picking F405Rxx or wahtever right?
2016-06-22T03:37:54 < dongs> 5 has ehternet, i think 401 or 411 does not
2016-06-22T03:37:59 < dongs> 5/7 do
2016-06-22T03:38:28 < decimad> Ethernet + LQFP64 = No Match
2016-06-22T03:38:37 < dongs> odd.
2016-06-22T03:38:44 < dongs> i mean, try making a newcube proj
2016-06-22T03:38:48 < dongs> with 405RG
2016-06-22T03:38:49 < anton02> the problem with correct indentation of code is that you have to interrupt your train of thought about what you're actually doing in code.
2016-06-22T03:38:56 < dongs> and it should have ethernet listed on the left side
2016-06-22T03:39:04 < dongs> anton02: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what
2016-06-22T03:39:11 < dongs> no onn o no
2016-06-22T03:39:21 < dongs> proper indentation suould HELP youfocus on making good code if anything
2016-06-22T03:39:35 < dongs> it defintiely does not interrupt you from making good code
2016-06-22T03:39:37 < dongs> thats bullshit
2016-06-22T03:39:44 < jadew> I agree
2016-06-22T03:40:03 < dongs> if your 'train of thought' is to write mile-long unindented mess
2016-06-22T03:40:08 < anton02> depends on the person I guess. for some it might interrupt them.
2016-06-22T03:40:08 < dongs> then that solution is probably not all that good
2016-06-22T03:41:38 < decimad> "This section applies only to STM32F42xx/F43xx and STM32F407x/F417x devices." Dongs are you absolutely sure?
2016-06-22T03:41:53 < jadew> ohsix, maybe they just got more servers in their CDN
2016-06-22T03:42:11 < anton02> i gave them a 1 star feedback review 3 days ago. maybe they got their act together
2016-06-22T03:43:07 < jadew> bye
2016-06-22T03:43:08 < decimad> ohsix: Yeah, my debate was that I was pointing out I could not use a drop in replaceable f4, because only lqfp100+ sport an ethernet can, but dongs said the 405 lqfp64 would too, so there we go ;)
2016-06-22T03:44:48 < decimad> But now that I browsed the pdf of the 405, I found that citation... There we go, I guess I'll have to play it safe, doing the design with a lfqfp100, when I'm happy shrink that down ;)
2016-06-22T03:48:36 < dongs> hmm, datasheet table 2 also doesnt list ethernet for 405rg
2016-06-22T03:48:49 < dongs> but I have a design right here with it and itworks
2016-06-22T03:48:55 < dongs> odd
2016-06-22T03:49:59 < jadew> I was able to pay \o/
2016-06-22T03:52:48 < anton02> stm32f7's main benefit over f4 is that it has much faster GPIO speed right?
2016-06-22T03:54:48 < englishman> yes
2016-06-22T03:54:49 < dongs> i didnt think it had any benefits at all
2016-06-22T03:54:59 < dongs> otehr than having a number +3 bigger
2016-06-22T03:56:09 < decimad> it also supports double precision floats^^
2016-06-22T03:56:23 < decimad> or, it can support
2016-06-22T03:57:19 < decimad> dongs: maybe the whole MII didn't fit on the available pins, but they don't actually break the ethernet core from the die ;)
2016-06-22T03:57:46 < decimad> I'm assuming they're using the same die on every device...
2016-06-22T03:59:38 < anton02> looks like i got into matrix LED tech at just the right time then. F7 is just fast enough to drive big LED matrices from its GPIO
2016-06-22T04:01:14 < dongs> wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut
2016-06-22T04:01:23 < dongs> you can drive that fucking led panel from an arduino bro
2016-06-22T04:01:31 < dongs> the fuck you'd need f7 for
2016-06-22T04:01:42 < Laurenceb__> lul
2016-06-22T04:01:46 < zyp> haha
2016-06-22T04:02:12 < zyp> does f7 have faster gpio speed than f4?
2016-06-22T04:02:23 < dongs> englishman is progbably trolling
2016-06-22T04:03:01 < dongs> popquiz how to use xor gate as a noninverting buffer
2016-06-22T04:03:38 < aandrew> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Linux/Really-cool-Raspberry-Project/
2016-06-22T04:03:41 < anton02> dongs, yeah i just did drive it from a uno. it runs at slide-show speed is all
2016-06-22T04:03:56 < aandrew> dongs: what's with the newb questions
2016-06-22T04:04:13 < anton02> englishman isn't trolling
2016-06-22T04:04:15 < dongs> aandrew: im too lazy to look at datasheet and figure out
2016-06-22T04:04:21 < aandrew> ah
2016-06-22T04:04:23 < aandrew> ground one input
2016-06-22T04:04:26 < aandrew> Y = A
2016-06-22T04:04:26 < dongs> right
2016-06-22T04:04:36 < dongs> i fogot if it was high or low.
2016-06-22T04:04:41 < aandrew> set one input high, Y = !A
2016-06-22T04:04:54 < dongs> yeps thats waht i had in another sch
2016-06-22T04:04:54 < dongs> copying now.
2016-06-22T04:05:00 < zyp> oh, it is a bit faster
2016-06-22T04:05:08 < zyp> 108MHz vs 84MHz
2016-06-22T04:05:38 < zyp> not very significant though
2016-06-22T04:05:45 < dongs> prettysure even reaching 84mhz on gpio would require DMA
2016-06-22T04:06:11 < zyp> true
2016-06-22T04:06:13 < anton02> yeah 108mhz on f7 doesn't require DMA
2016-06-22T04:06:16 < dongs> how many instructions is a write to ODR
2016-06-22T04:06:27 < dongs> anton02: ....................... ?
2016-06-22T04:06:53 < dongs> i think anton02 = yoduza
2016-06-22T04:06:58 < dongs> same level prpo trolling
2016-06-22T04:07:00 < dongs> pro
2016-06-22T04:09:46 < anton02> in the datasheet for F7 it doesn't mention the need for DMA
2016-06-22T04:09:59 < anton02> at that speed
2016-06-22T04:10:11 < aandrew> I don't understand these pakis
2016-06-22T04:10:12 < aandrew> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/LPC-MCU-microcontroller-LPC/
2016-06-22T04:10:41 < aandrew> "design me a board which will allow me to take over satellite transmissions: Budget is $50." every bid is like $10 and deliver in 3 days
2016-06-22T04:11:08 < aandrew> "show me how to use LPCEspresso to read from one LPC and write to another" $1311 and 3 days.
2016-06-22T04:11:40 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/locson.html
2016-06-22T04:11:45 < dongs> ^ buyer for last proj
2016-06-22T04:11:50 < dongs> looks liek some viet trash
2016-06-22T04:12:05 < aandrew> lol
2016-06-22T04:12:06 < aandrew> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Find-bug-arduino-project/
2016-06-22T04:12:33 < aandrew> "I have a bug in my software that makes it fail in 6-7 minutes. If you're good you shoudl be able to solve it in 30 minutes"
2016-06-22T04:12:38 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/u/Chris07885.html
2016-06-22T04:12:55 < dongs> if I'm good i should be able to solve it in less than 6-7 minutes
2016-06-22T04:14:28 < aandrew> well a solution isn't to say "don't use failduino"
2016-06-22T04:14:35 < aandrew> I mean you're not wrong
2016-06-22T04:16:26 < aandrew> I think some of my favourite projects are "see the attached pictures" without anything attached
2016-06-22T04:16:32 < dongs> yea
2016-06-22T04:16:36 < dongs> you can tell those are re-re-re-reposts
2016-06-22T04:16:43 < dongs> after numerous fails
2016-06-22T04:16:46 < dongs> OR
2016-06-22T04:16:50 < dongs> some paki winning a project
2016-06-22T04:16:54 < dongs> and reposting it right away
2016-06-22T04:16:57 < dongs> in INR
2016-06-22T04:17:02 < dongs> ive seen that shit happen
2016-06-22T04:17:05 < aandrew> haha I haven't seen that before
2016-06-22T04:17:13 < aandrew> outsourcing your outsourced project, ingenius
2016-06-22T04:17:18 < dongs> i sawsome usa based project
2016-06-22T04:17:22 < dongs> and some paki got accepted
2016-06-22T04:17:35 < dongs> and just a few shits belwo, same thing basically word for word, by a paki
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2016-06-22T04:19:49 < aandrew> like I said, genius
2016-06-22T04:19:52 < decimad> trading is universially more efficient than doing real work ;)
2016-06-22T04:20:24 < decimad> at least if not everybody is trading
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2016-06-22T04:24:31 < Yoduza> [04:06:32] <dongs> i think anton02 = yoduza
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2016-06-22T04:24:34 < Yoduza> ?
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2016-06-22T04:31:30 < dongs> lol
2016-06-22T04:32:13 < Laurenceb__> how babby formed
2016-06-22T04:33:24 < dongs> hm i need an i2c multiplexer
2016-06-22T04:33:49 < Laurenceb__> lul hatebus
2016-06-22T04:34:26 < Thorn> how many unused xor gates do you have?
2016-06-22T04:34:33 < dongs> zero
2016-06-22T04:34:57 < dongs> i used a sc70-5 xor gate that i already have in stock
2016-06-22T04:35:12 < dongs> i dont need a ghetto solution, its gonna have to be proper
2016-06-22T04:35:27 < dongs> i need to connect a 5V i2c device to either 5V or 3.3V bus
2016-06-22T04:35:47 < anton02> are you talking about FPGAs
2016-06-22T04:35:53 < dongs> yes lots of them
2016-06-22T04:38:43 < dongs> oh fffff
2016-06-22T04:38:52 < dongs> all im finding is i2c multplexers CONTROLLED BY I2C
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2016-06-22T04:49:14 < anton02> try to disprove my statement that 108Mhz on F7 doesn't require DMA
2016-06-22T04:49:50 < dongs> youd be a dumbfuck bitbanging gpio at 108mhz without DMA
2016-06-22T04:49:59 < dongs> theres no need to disprove it
2016-06-22T04:50:42 < dongs> the application without DMA would also be extremely limtied, you'd basically only have enough cycles to turn it on and off in a loop and ot much else
2016-06-22T04:53:43 < aandrew> truth
2016-06-22T04:53:59 < aandrew> unless you're just benchmarking, bitbanging without DMA is absolutely pointless
2016-06-22T04:54:33 < anton02> well i just saw the result of bit banged arduino with this matrix. it was too slow. But i think bit banging with an f7 should be fast enough. it will simplify my coding
2016-06-22T04:55:35 < anton02> im not a professional stm32 coder so I probably shouldnt attempt to do advanced things like that.
2016-06-22T04:57:46 < aandrew> that's a really shitty excuse for not attempting to learn how to do it correctly
2016-06-22T04:59:19 < englishman> i bitbang cuz stm8 has no dma
2016-06-22T05:00:37 < dongs> i think some non-cheap STM8 actually has DMA
2016-06-22T05:00:51 < englishman> cool
2016-06-22T05:00:58 < englishman> its pretty round feature set
2016-06-22T05:01:17 < dongs> STM8L for sure, and i think some bigger STM8S
2016-06-22T05:05:18 < PeterM> anton02, have you tried i.mx6 i hear it can bitbang io very quick, like 100s of mhz
2016-06-22T05:07:18 < anton02> that's 1Ghz. i wouldnt be able to put that on a custom PCB due to the crazy stuff you need to do to prevent EMF noise
2016-06-22T05:07:45 < PeterM> nah it'll be fine
2016-06-22T05:08:25 < PeterM> ive seen people put em on oshFARK pcbs
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2016-06-22T05:13:20 < dongs> you know whats REALLY suitable for gpio bitbanging
2016-06-22T05:13:21 < dongs> XMOS
2016-06-22T05:13:28 < dongs> you should look at their shit.
2016-06-22T05:13:36 < dongs> fuck this stm32 noise
2016-06-22T05:15:14 < PeterM> U NO WOT JUST GET XC7V2000T-1FLG1925CES9937 DK EVEN HAS ONE IN STOCK
2016-06-22T05:15:46 < PeterM> on a side not, why do they have one in stock?
2016-06-22T05:16:00 < dongs> is it one of those $30k ones
2016-06-22T05:16:09 < dongs> 20k
2016-06-22T05:16:10 < dongs> nice
2016-06-22T05:17:38 < dongs> i think thats only 1mm pitch tho
2016-06-22T05:18:19 < PeterM> neat, could break it out o nlike oshFARK pcb
2016-06-22T05:18:24 < dongs> yes
2016-06-22T05:19:08 < englishman> be sure to use the big tip to flow it on the board
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2016-06-22T06:16:37 < PeterM> upgrdman, thats a good thing - heavy rain mains the air wont be as shit
2016-06-22T06:17:31 < upgrdman> it rains all the time. shit persists.
2016-06-22T06:19:06 < PeterM> nah, real real heavy rain "fixes" it for liek a week
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2016-06-22T06:40:03 < boB_K7IQ> We just hired a tech that had a couple of articles in CC magazine
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2016-06-22T08:08:51 < dongs> ohsix: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2016-06-22T08:10:23 < jpa-> good morning dongs :)
2016-06-22T08:10:30 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-36593573 lol brazil
2016-06-22T08:26:16 < dongs> sleepytime
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2016-06-22T10:40:02 < anton02> you will see how impressive my code is if you just look between lines 66 and 70 https://ideone.com/2OWRwi
2016-06-22T10:45:02 < anton02> it's not that big of a deal
2016-06-22T10:45:38 < anton02> my indentation is good isn't it
2016-06-22T10:50:53 < anton02> that turns all the LEDs on. Now I just need to figure out how to put useful information on the screen.
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2016-06-22T11:25:44 < anton02> its a matter of making ascii arts but with just 1s and 0s i guess
2016-06-22T11:26:49 < anton02> or 1,2,3,4,5,6,7s to represent the different colours
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2016-06-22T12:04:02 < anton02> what is xpm?
2016-06-22T12:04:41 < Fleck> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_PixMap
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2016-06-22T12:08:41 < anton02> what do you mean it sux?
2016-06-22T12:15:22 < anton02> maybe on a full PC but perhaps stm32 is its niche now
2016-06-22T12:16:53 < anton02> so how do i do this
2016-06-22T12:18:27 < anton02> and then how do I load the xpm file onto the stm32?
2016-06-22T12:19:23 < anton02> i thought you meant i cant #include the xpm program
2016-06-22T12:19:26 < anton02> can*
2016-06-22T12:19:52 < anton02> i did
2016-06-22T12:20:13 < anton02> dont you need code on the stm32 that interprets the xpm file
2016-06-22T12:21:13 < anton02> or do I make that
2016-06-22T12:24:39 < anton02> looks like its just what i need https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_PixMap#/media/File:Screenshot-xterm-linux.xpm-GVIM.png
2016-06-22T12:25:38 < mitrax_> anton02: seems like you lack some basic understanding about how an image can be stored in memory, reading this should help: http://paulbourke.net/dataformats/bitmaps/
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2016-06-22T12:26:41 < anton02> why would i convert binary to C code when i can just paste stuff like this into my IDE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_PixMap#/media/File:Screenshot-xterm-linux.xpm-GVIM.png
2016-06-22T12:27:21 < Fleck> why do you ask if you know better anton02?
2016-06-22T12:27:23 < mitrax_> ugh
2016-06-22T12:31:57 < mitrax_> anton02: you're doing embedded programming, not visual basic app or some RAD shit, at best there are some third party libraries that you can use to make your life easier but if you expect it to be like "paste some image in IDE and have it automagically generate some code that drives my panel and show the picture" you'll be disappointed
2016-06-22T12:37:30 < Fleck> :)
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2016-06-22T13:22:43 < karlp> anton02: you've been forever memorialized, thanks dude.
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2016-06-22T13:26:41 < PeterM> memorialized on /ignore?
2016-06-22T13:37:17 < mitrax_> PeterM: this https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/commit/5363334cd8ee5780f0e612d16302ba2ba8921c28 :)
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2016-06-22T13:41:04 < Steffanx> Damn deep shit.
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2016-06-22T14:02:31 < PeterM> lol
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2016-06-22T16:23:53 < decimad> How to best handle the agressions caused by free eda tools?
2016-06-22T16:27:45 < brianx> therapy.
2016-06-22T16:28:15 < brianx> optionally, shopping therapy using the money you saved.
2016-06-22T16:29:33 < sterna> switching to non-free tools, getting the same aggressions from them and realizing that it wasn't so bad
2016-06-22T16:30:19 < decimad> What's the problem really? Electric engineers trying to program user software? I don't get it really
2016-06-22T16:32:23 < upgrdman> prolly that most of the good ones just use commercial tools so they can GetTheJobDone and move on with life
2016-06-22T16:32:43 < brianx> after downgrading eclipse from mars to luna, this tool hasn't been all that bad.  actually like cubemx.
2016-06-22T16:32:50 < Sync> people just suck it up that software has its quirks
2016-06-22T16:32:56 < upgrdman> i used geda for a while... then used altium at work. geda can fuck right off now.
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2016-06-22T16:33:38 < decimad> I'd like to contribute to KiCad, but development seems to be centralized to people not knowing what they're doing.
2016-06-22T16:34:52 < decimad> The pcb part is actually quite nice nowadays, but schematics suck so bad it's unbelievable... and the refactoring is done in the hide by a single person.
2016-06-22T16:35:06 < karlp> "in the hide" ?
2016-06-22T16:35:27 < decimad> Well, the project owner just says there's something in the works...
2016-06-22T16:36:17 < brianx> karlp: secretly.
2016-06-22T16:37:02 < emeryth> decimad: then donate money to CERN so they can assign more competent people to kicad
2016-06-22T16:38:20 < decimad> Like how much? I could as well buy a commercial one then ;)
2016-06-22T16:39:06 < Thorn> is there a project at cern to irradiate the devs hoping to give them superpowers?
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2016-06-22T17:03:40 < Sync> pls decimad you don't want to spend the money but you want software that does what you want
2016-06-22T17:03:43 < Sync> pfft
2016-06-22T17:04:13 < decimad> Sync, that is not what I'm saying.
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2016-06-22T18:15:16 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/Z852A0.jpg
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2016-06-22T18:23:03 < englishman> Laurenceb: did you plan on being funny today
2016-06-22T18:23:06 < englishman> youre not off to a good start
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2016-06-22T18:35:49 < jadew> my new test leads arrived
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2016-06-22T18:35:57 < jadew> the grabbers are nice
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2016-06-22T19:13:41 < kakimir> Hello Laurence
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2016-06-22T19:46:58 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1466560971283.jpg
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2016-06-22T19:53:57 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1466614051409.webm
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2016-06-22T20:03:59 < dongs> http://i.4cdn.org/g/1466551828816.png
2016-06-22T20:04:01 < dongs> is this some java
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2016-06-22T20:20:48 < jadew> dongs, it's javascript
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2016-06-22T20:34:31 < mra90> yes javascript, the tool from which you took this screenshot should tell you this also
2016-06-22T20:35:02 < mra90> it's firefox/chrome debbugger I guess
2016-06-22T20:35:06 < jadew> chrome
2016-06-22T20:35:14 < jadew> and I just tested that thing and it's for real
2016-06-22T20:35:26 < jadew> the expected result should be false
2016-06-22T20:35:35 < jadew> because typeof null is 'object'
2016-06-22T20:36:09 < dongs> mra90: i dint tkae the screenshot i dont post on 4chan
2016-06-22T20:36:18 < dongs> and i have no idea what javascript debugger it is, i dont do javascript
2016-06-22T20:37:13 < jadew> weirdly enough if you say for (var i = 0; i < 10000; ++i) console.log(foo() ? 1 : 0); it outputs 1 x 10000
2016-06-22T20:37:34 < mra90> dongs: so do you have any problem with it or you were just curious about what language syntax is it  ?
2016-06-22T20:37:55 < jadew> he was curious what kind of language would generate such shit
2016-06-22T20:38:01 < dongs> mra90: it returns random trash instead of something fixed
2016-06-22T20:38:03 < dongs> ^ wat jadew said
2016-06-22T20:39:35 < mra90> mhm, ok ;]
2016-06-22T20:40:08 < mra90> actually js is cool language, if used correctly....
2016-06-22T20:42:17 < jadew> it's ok for a scripting language
2016-06-22T20:44:44 < jadew> highly non intuitive for more complex stuff
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2016-06-22T20:52:10 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go9XT2S1bF4
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2016-06-22T21:09:56 < dongs> BREAKING: American singer, songwriter, actress and model Demi Lovato returns to Twitter despite previous announcement of leaving social media
2016-06-22T21:10:12 < aandrew> who the fuck is that
2016-06-22T21:10:38 < Laurenceb>  >> /actualnews
2016-06-22T21:11:31 < dongs> wat
2016-06-22T21:11:34 < englishman> see Laurenceb that was funnier than anything you linked today
2016-06-22T21:11:39 < englishman> and it wasnt even a link
2016-06-22T21:11:57 < englishman> plz work on post quality
2016-06-22T21:11:57 < englishman> kthx
2016-06-22T21:15:56 < Steffann> such hate.
2016-06-22T21:16:29 < englishman> no hate
2016-06-22T21:16:45 < englishman> i want to see Laurenceb blossom
2016-06-22T21:16:52 < englishman> but he needs some guiding lights
2016-06-22T21:17:14 < englishman> one day he will be a mighty troll
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2016-06-22T21:17:40 < Laurenceb> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/files/IMG_3251.jpg
2016-06-22T21:18:01 < englishman> hammond boxes make the world go round
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2016-06-22T21:18:28 < englishman> didnt someone in here make one of those
2016-06-22T21:20:49 < Laurenceb> http://leobodnar.com/balloons/NTP/LeoNTP-traffic2.png
2016-06-22T21:21:04 < dongs> gxti made one
2016-06-22T21:21:05 < dongs> with STM32
2016-06-22T21:21:10 < englishman> yes him
2016-06-22T21:21:16 < dongs> laureline-NTP or someshit
2016-06-22T21:21:28 < englishman> https://www.tindie.com/products/gxti/laureline-gps-ntp-server/
2016-06-22T21:21:35 < gxti> <3 hammond boxes
2016-06-22T21:21:45 < gxti> i have like a dozen left over from that and i'm still using them for random shit
2016-06-22T21:28:47 < [7]> so how accurate ist that GPS module? :P
2016-06-22T21:29:31 < [7]> and what the hell does the knob do?
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2016-06-22T21:41:44 < Laurenceb> [7] apparently +-100ns
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2016-06-22T21:52:34 < dongs> gxti: did you yurn off your hg viewer
2016-06-22T21:52:56 < gxti> o rite. took down that server a few weeks ago and never got around to putting the content back up
2016-06-22T21:53:01 < dongs> lol
2016-06-22T21:53:15 < gxti> it's just altium crap anyway
2016-06-22T21:53:25 < gxti> the firmware is all on github
2016-06-22T21:53:37 < dongs> yeah i wantd part numbre for one of the sockets
2016-06-22T21:53:40 < dongs> i think i ahve it cached somewehre
2016-06-22T21:53:43 < dongs> gonna look
2016-06-22T21:53:43 < gxti> which?
2016-06-22T21:53:58 < dongs> yea i found
2016-06-22T21:54:05 < dongs> laureline-0d26dcc8d0db.zip
2016-06-22T21:54:06 < dongs> from 2014
2016-06-22T21:54:13 < gxti> the microsd socket is shit
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2016-06-22T21:54:33 < gxti> had like 10% assembly fail rate on that alone
2016-06-22T21:58:05 < dongs> ive used tall version of same thing before, zero issues
2016-06-22T22:06:27 < dongs> BREAKING: Gunman shoots and kills Jefferson Parish County, La., deputy, during pedestrian stop, and is now at large, police says.
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2016-06-22T22:08:04 < Steffann> What's new?
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2016-06-22T22:09:22 < Laurenceb> dongsfeed
2016-06-22T22:09:28 < Laurenceb> just as shit as buzzfeed
2016-06-22T22:09:37 < gxti> still better than Laurencebfeed
2016-06-22T22:10:12 < dongs> another funny thats funnier than laurenceb
2016-06-22T22:10:18 < Laurenceb> trollercoaster
2016-06-22T22:11:46 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Design-the-PCB-Dynamic-Code/ wow thats a cool proj
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2016-06-22T22:20:57 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36596070 lol
2016-06-22T22:21:01 < dongs> cuckerberg
2016-06-22T22:21:14 < dongs> whats he worried about, FBI wil spy on his furious fapping sessions?
2016-06-22T22:21:27 < dongs> while he sorts through all the cpposted on instagram
2016-06-22T22:22:24 < Laurenceb> in ur dreamz
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2016-06-22T22:26:05 < dongs> http://www.b92.net/news/pics/2016/06/22/1862261566576ace37f041c413191340_v4_big.jpg
2016-06-22T22:26:08 < dongs> wat
2016-06-22T22:26:46 < dongs> plz tell me its a troll, or else its real and the rocket taking it up will explode on liftoff :P
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2016-06-22T22:27:26 < dongs> k troll, different name on nametag
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2016-06-22T22:48:18 < englishman> whats the joke
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2016-06-22T23:06:27 < emeb> audio oscillator with stm32f031 + PT8211 DAC -> https://soundcloud.com/emeb/cheep2-fm-2
2016-06-22T23:09:58 < dongs> that pro dac that I found?
2016-06-22T23:10:12 < dongs> oh no thats diff
2016-06-22T23:10:15 < dongs> mine was PAMsomething
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2016-06-22T23:14:06 < emeb> this is super cheap crap from china
2016-06-22T23:14:14 < emeb> "16-bit"
2016-06-22T23:14:26 < emeb> r2r ladder and a shift register basically. :P
2016-06-22T23:14:28 < emeb> but it works.
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2016-06-22T23:16:28 < dongs> you know your shit is pro when the first hit for part# is datasheet hosted by futurlec
2016-06-22T23:16:37 < dongs> chinketon technology corp ltd
2016-06-22T23:16:59 < dongs> and comes in DIP
2016-06-22T23:17:42 < dongs> emeb, what happens if I read I2s by SPI, only using BCK and DIN
2016-06-22T23:17:52 < dongs> do i just get interleaed sapels?
2016-06-22T23:17:54 < dongs> sampels
2016-06-22T23:17:58 < dongs> interleaved fuck
2016-06-22T23:18:51 < emeb> dongs: if you don't synchronize to the LRCK / WS signal then it would be hard to predict if you get the right alignment
2016-06-22T23:18:54 < dongs> some dickhead @ work wanna read i2s wiht MSP430 for some reason
2016-06-22T23:19:15 < dongs> emeb: you mean i wont know if the sample i started reading at is left or right?
2016-06-22T23:19:33 < dongs> or wait not even
2016-06-22T23:19:37 < emeb> dongs: you don't even know if you got the msbit in the right place
2016-06-22T23:19:41 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-22T23:19:44 < emeb> since I2S runs continuous
2016-06-22T23:19:48 < dongs> hmm
2016-06-22T23:20:06 < dongs> some kinda one-shot logic gate thing to latch on WS?
2016-06-22T23:20:16 < dongs> to pull CS low
2016-06-22T23:20:20 < emeb> might work
2016-06-22T23:21:04 < emeb> or just look for falling edge and start DMA at known point
2016-06-22T23:21:16 < dongs> MSP430? DMA?
2016-06-22T23:21:19 < dongs> yarite
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2016-06-22T23:21:33 < emeb> how much data does he want to collect?
2016-06-22T23:21:37 < emeb> all?
2016-06-22T23:21:47 < Thorn> >Features: 16 bit dynamic range
2016-06-22T23:21:50 < dongs> yeah i dont even know what its for. i was just asked if it "can be read by gpio"
2016-06-22T23:21:54 < emeb> then needs continuous buffering & processing
2016-06-22T23:22:04 < dongs> i was like, yeah I think SPI can read it
2016-06-22T23:22:06 < dongs> then the dude went to sleep
2016-06-22T23:22:08 < emeb> ah
2016-06-22T23:22:35 < dongs> looks like 430 does have DMA
2016-06-22T23:22:36 < dongs> surprisingly
2016-06-22T23:23:23 < emeb> so just set up SPI with proper clock phase & trigger start in right place WRT LRCK & run
2016-06-22T23:23:32 < dongs> ya
2016-06-22T23:23:59 < emeb> make sure spi wordsize matches I2S data size or else parsing will be complicated.
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2016-06-22T23:26:20 < Thorn> it doesn't have a LPF at the output?
2016-06-22T23:26:45 < Thorn> >If low noise output is very important for your circuit design we suggest using a regulated power
2016-06-22T23:26:45 < Thorn>  supply.
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2016-06-22T23:42:35 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36599316 first world problems
2016-06-22T23:49:05 < mra90> lol
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2016-06-23T00:01:36 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G10svo5r8S8
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2016-06-23T00:06:02 < Steffanx> "Imgur is over capacity" all the Laurencebs and upgdrmans in the world browsing right now?
2016-06-23T00:06:18 < englishman> r/the_donald
2016-06-23T00:06:42 < Thorn> worse, uploading
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2016-06-23T00:13:50 < dongs> sli.mg works ok
2016-06-23T00:13:56 < dongs> doesnt resize shit either
2016-06-23T00:14:54 < dongs> i uploaded a 5k jpg to imgur and it turned it into some 1024x60 nonsense
2016-06-23T00:15:24 < dongs> they turned into shit ever since they removed paid subscriptions
2016-06-23T00:16:39 < dongs> has internet realized that trump is here to stay?
2016-06-23T00:16:49 < dongs> or area tehre tstill people pretending their opinion matters
2016-06-23T00:17:01 < dongs> and being noisy annoying fucks
2016-06-23T00:19:43 < Steffanx> so Laurenceb, to brexit or not to brexit. What's your vote going to be?
2016-06-23T00:19:53 < dongs> the fuck is brexit
2016-06-23T00:20:07 < dongs> oh
2016-06-23T00:20:08 < dongs> UK leaving EU
2016-06-23T00:20:13 < Steffanx> birtainiers leavin the EU, yes
2016-06-23T00:20:32 < dongs> does it even matter
2016-06-23T00:20:39 < dongs> its not like they used euros
2016-06-23T00:20:46 < dongs> which is like the only reason to be in EU anyway???
2016-06-23T00:20:59 < Steffanx> would be a great statement against the EU.
2016-06-23T00:21:44 < englishman> couldnt they think of a better name
2016-06-23T00:21:55 < dongs> blaxterit
2016-06-23T00:22:10 < dongs> laurenceb_exit
2016-06-23T00:22:15 < Steffanx> <3 farage.
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2016-06-23T00:22:53 < Steffanx> Farage is the only reasonable guy in the europian parlement
2016-06-23T00:22:58 < Steffanx> *european
2016-06-23T00:25:45 < englishman> lesson learned: never colonize
2016-06-23T00:26:36 < Steffanx> "they". lol.
2016-06-23T00:27:08 < dongs> https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump is this a parody account
2016-06-23T00:27:26 < Steffanx> hard to say when it involves trump.
2016-06-23T00:27:34 < dongs> entire page is just nonstop trolling
2016-06-23T00:27:58 < Steffanx> trumping.
2016-06-23T00:28:14 < dongs> Hillary took money and did favors for regimes that enslave women and murder gays.
2016-06-23T00:28:17 < dongs> lol
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2016-06-23T00:35:18 < dongs> Did you know? SSL sends a portion of the proceeds from all web traffic to Israel, the inventor of this backward encryption scheme. Please pledge to go unencrypted for an open web and a Free Palestine!
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2016-06-23T00:55:56 < kakimir> dongs: real one
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2016-06-23T01:07:34 < kakimir> mid summer fest in 2 days
2016-06-23T01:14:22 < kakimir> feel a bit loneliness and bitter feeling
2016-06-23T01:14:38 < kakimir> people have summer holiday and big parties
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2016-06-23T01:29:08 < dongs> 10TB is even worse
2016-06-23T01:29:15 < dongs> they literally fuck you ot of 1TB
2016-06-23T01:29:26 < dongs> 10TB = 9.095 "formatted" TB
2016-06-23T01:29:56 < dongs> complete scam
2016-06-23T01:30:42 < englishman> do they still sell them as "10 billion bytes"
2016-06-23T01:30:49 < englishman> cuz taht would be 9.3GB
2016-06-23T01:30:49 < dongs> yes
2016-06-23T01:30:57 < dongs> emeb: no, that would be 9TB
2016-06-23T01:31:00 < dongs> err englishman ^
2016-06-23T01:31:07 < englishman> oh right tb
2016-06-23T01:31:21 < dongs> 9.095TiB = 10TB
2016-06-23T01:31:22 < kakimir> how long till trump president?
2016-06-23T01:31:34 < englishman> 9.095 yeah\
2016-06-23T01:31:50 < kakimir> how much concerete the wall requires?
2016-06-23T01:31:53 < dongs> http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G21270
2016-06-23T01:32:17 < englishman> pretty sure i bought a bucket of those for $5 at one time
2016-06-23T01:32:37 < dongs> goldmine-elec, isis one stop shop
2016-06-23T01:32:51 < englishman> i stayed on a boat for some months
2016-06-23T01:32:57 < englishman> got sick of always dropping phone overboard
2016-06-23T01:33:07 < englishman> so got some replacements
2016-06-23T01:33:36 < englishman> plus i could chat on the phone, rage out and throw the phone into the sea
2016-06-23T01:33:43 < englishman> then grab another one and continue convo
2016-06-23T01:34:21 < kakimir> R2COM: and russia?
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2016-06-23T01:37:01 < kakimir> prophecy ir real
2016-06-23T01:38:40 < kakimir> jesus is real
2016-06-23T01:39:14 < kakimir> trump?
2016-06-23T01:39:26 < kakimir> oh
2016-06-23T01:39:30 < kakimir> nothing new
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2016-06-23T01:39:46 < kakimir> rogue generals?
2016-06-23T01:39:54 < kakimir> billionares?
2016-06-23T01:40:03 < kakimir> communists?
2016-06-23T01:40:09 < kakimir> jews again?
2016-06-23T01:40:17 < kakimir> :D
2016-06-23T01:40:21 < kakimir> what the hell
2016-06-23T01:40:59 < kakimir> does eather side have any odds in that situation?
2016-06-23T01:41:25 < kakimir> it's going to get dirty
2016-06-23T01:42:10 < kakimir> putin just visited finland
2016-06-23T01:42:22 < kakimir> good friends with sauli
2016-06-23T01:43:06 < kakimir> wait.. it was some minister and putin is still yet to visit
2016-06-23T01:43:08 < kakimir> I think
2016-06-23T01:44:05 < kakimir> you have sides on this?
2016-06-23T01:44:14 < kakimir> and what you bet the outcome to be?
2016-06-23T01:46:42 < kakimir> is there external backing of sides?
2016-06-23T01:47:52 < aandrew> http://i.imgur.com/gj5d5Fy.gif
2016-06-23T01:48:16 < kakimir> R2COM: what do these sides actually stand for?
2016-06-23T01:48:21 < kakimir> themselfs mainly?
2016-06-23T01:48:31 < kakimir> well that is simple
2016-06-23T01:49:43 < kakimir> not even in 90's? life wasn't worth a dime in russian street wars
2016-06-23T01:50:25 < Sync> yeah idk wtf is happening there R2COM
2016-06-23T01:50:34 < Sync> it is like afgahnistan again
2016-06-23T01:50:54 < Laurenceb__> Murica is sending weapons to Al-Nusra
2016-06-23T01:50:56 < Laurenceb__> thats whut
2016-06-23T01:51:08 < Laurenceb__> hopefully Trump will fix it
2016-06-23T01:52:01 < Sync> they should just bomb the shit out of everything
2016-06-23T01:52:10 < Laurenceb__> and build a wall
2016-06-23T01:53:22 < englishman> yes it is
2016-06-23T01:53:28 < englishman> it is making money for lockheed martin
2016-06-23T01:53:28 < englishman> and he
2016-06-23T01:53:29 < englishman> ge
2016-06-23T01:53:42 < englishman> lots of money
2016-06-23T01:53:45 < englishman> bombing is awesome
2016-06-23T01:53:59 < englishman> who cares
2016-06-23T01:54:12 < englishman> thats great then
2016-06-23T01:54:13 < englishman> saving lives
2016-06-23T01:54:17 < Laurenceb__> lul
2016-06-23T01:57:33 < kakimir> I wonder if visit of putin and ministers is somehow related to collecting support for internal conflict
2016-06-23T01:57:55 < Sync> > finland
2016-06-23T01:57:58 < Sync> > supporting russia
2016-06-23T01:58:00 < Sync> pls.
2016-06-23T01:58:36 < kakimir> how can you act normal when there is war in your state?
2016-06-23T01:58:51 < kakimir> and hang around without being killed
2016-06-23T01:59:02 < Sync> I was gonna say
2016-06-23T01:59:03 < Sync> he is a pro
2016-06-23T01:59:51 < kakimir> hes are pros
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2016-06-23T02:03:27 < kakimir> will there be external forces trying their luck now as russia is divided?
2016-06-23T02:04:44 < kakimir> yes
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2016-06-23T02:07:51 < kakimir> russian internal nuclear war?
2016-06-23T02:09:20 < karlp> russia couldn't even make it out of their group games, not a threat to anyone ;)
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2016-06-23T02:14:16 < kakimir> soon we will have nuclear weapons for highest bidders
2016-06-23T02:20:28 < Sync> well we already had that kakimir
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2016-06-23T02:31:19 < dongs> get stoned
2016-06-23T02:32:57 < anton02> i'd like a really simple C program. It's one which simply generated a pattern matrix of 1s and 0s. Like a plasma pattern you see on matrix LED display. you'd pass it parameters on what the dimensions of your matrix are, and it would merely return the 2D matrix.
2016-06-23T02:33:10 < dongs> write it
2016-06-23T02:33:15 < dongs> look at any demoscene sores
2016-06-23T02:33:32 < dongs> http://lodev.org/cgtutor/plasma.html
2016-06-23T02:34:22 < anton02> nice
2016-06-23T02:34:56 < dongs> http://www.flipcode.com/archives/The_Art_of_Demomaking-Issue_04_Per_Pixel_Control.shtml
2016-06-23T02:34:59 < dongs> from 1999
2016-06-23T02:35:12 < dongs> etc
2016-06-23T02:35:14 < dongs> bbl
2016-06-23T02:35:23 < anton02> i take it that the array is 'buffer' in the first link
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2016-06-23T02:37:03 < anton02> the array that i was referring to i mean
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2016-06-23T03:09:47 < machinehum> in the std periph
2016-06-23T03:10:04 < machinehum> There's a function call at the begining of almost every function
2016-06-23T03:10:07 < machinehum> assert_param(IS_GPIO_ALL_PERIPH(GPIOx));
2016-06-23T03:10:27 < machinehum> assert_param() - what's that for?
2016-06-23T03:10:55 < knielsen> machinehum: it's to help catch mistakes passing incorrect values to the functions
2016-06-23T03:11:31 < knielsen> machinehum: I suppose during development you will use debugging builds with these asserts enabled, and you will catch some errors in parameters
2016-06-23T03:11:43  * knielsen never used them though .oO
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2016-06-23T03:12:40 < knielsen> machinehum: basically, you make USE_FULL_ASSERT be defined in your build, and the parameters will be checked
2016-06-23T03:13:31 < machinehum> oh cool
2016-06-23T03:13:39 < machinehum> thanks, I figured it was something like that
2016-06-23T03:14:05 < knielsen> machinehum: if an assert triggers, the program will end up in infinite loop in assert_failed(), and debugger can be used to see what went wrong - or you can define your own version of assert_failed()
2016-06-23T03:14:34 < knielsen> (or maybe you need to define assert_failed(), not sure)
2016-06-23T03:16:54 < anton02> it seems that the only #include here available from keil is cmath http://lodev.org/cgtutor/files/quickcg/main.cpp
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2016-06-23T03:31:30 < machinehum> knielsen: Do you know which source file the function is in?
2016-06-23T03:34:42 < dongs> machinehum: why are you asking btw?
2016-06-23T03:34:57 < dongs> you'll get those as undefined unless you #define USE_STDPERIPH_LIB
2016-06-23T03:35:00 < dongs> but you knew that rght>
2016-06-23T03:35:22 < machinehum> The source builds find
2016-06-23T03:35:44 < dongs> anton02: cmath waht
2016-06-23T03:35:50 < machinehum> I'm just curious as to the location of those assert functions
2016-06-23T03:35:57 < dongs> i think they're in misc.h
2016-06-23T03:35:59 < dongs> or something
2016-06-23T03:36:30 < dongs> no, they're ins tm32fxx_conf.h
2016-06-23T03:36:36 < dongs> stdlib config file
2016-06-23T03:41:41 < machinehum> Yes
2016-06-23T03:41:44 < machinehum> Yes it is
2016-06-23T03:41:46 < machinehum> Thanks
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2016-06-23T04:25:57 < dongs> how many PIC32s would you like
2016-06-23T04:28:58 < dongs> do they not have extenral 1.2V supply input?
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2016-06-23T04:57:54 < dongs> no
2016-06-23T04:57:58 < dongs> complee trash
2016-06-23T04:58:00 < dongs> complete
2016-06-23T04:58:07 < dongs> i think my hardware raid6 is like 40meg/sec
2016-06-23T04:58:09 < dongs> er 400
2016-06-23T04:58:19 < dongs> running on cheap trash drives
2016-06-23T04:58:25 < dongs> toshiba 4 and 5tb
2016-06-23T04:58:47 < dongs> yes
2016-06-23T05:00:57 < dongs> does your 6tb have that dumb slow write mode
2016-06-23T05:09:00 < dongs> well its not a SMR drive
2016-06-23T05:09:06 < dongs> so it shouldnt have awful writes
2016-06-23T05:14:31 < dongs> doesnt steam use some kinda buttorrent shit
2016-06-23T05:14:35 < dongs> plus encrypted stuff
2016-06-23T05:14:41 < dongs> your steam folder is proably fragmented as fuck
2016-06-23T05:14:58 < dongs> when it downlaods 20gigs of shit and then decrypts it
2016-06-23T05:52:12 < dongs> dial autism to 11
2016-06-23T05:53:26 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Android/embedded-development-for-acrade-game/
2016-06-23T05:53:40 < dongs> crt, yeah too much ohsix twisting it
2016-06-23T05:53:56 < dongs> keep pumpin'
2016-06-23T06:12:12 < dongs> loosk ok
2016-06-23T06:12:26 < dongs> 12C
2016-06-23T06:12:34 < dongs> no
2016-06-23T06:12:43 < dongs> what "your placE"
2016-06-23T06:12:46 < dongs> im in fatmerica now
2016-06-23T06:12:52 < dongs> in japan its like 30C
2016-06-23T06:12:56 < dongs> and yes I go swimming there
2016-06-23T06:13:20 < dongs> 27C now in jP
2016-06-23T06:13:35 < dongs> yes
2016-06-23T06:14:09 < dongs> not sure you can call it a city
2016-06-23T06:15:59 < dongs> eh doesnt matter
2016-06-23T06:16:00 < dongs> they're all shit
2016-06-23T06:18:09 < dongs> https://i.sli.mg/xj1aZr.jpg
2016-06-23T06:18:10 < dongs> im here
2016-06-23T06:18:13 < dongs> no
2016-06-23T06:18:21 < dongs> about 300k for the place i got here
2016-06-23T06:18:57 < dongs> expensive materials, expensive insulation, etc
2016-06-23T06:19:04 < dongs> i mean that was cost to build from zero
2016-06-23T06:20:04 < dongs> lol
2016-06-23T06:20:07 < dongs> yes, no sales tax in alaska
2016-06-23T06:20:18 < dongs> and  the permanent divident fund thing
2016-06-23T06:21:26 < dongs> free money, hey
2016-06-23T06:23:15 < dongs> thats enough to buy a year worth supply of booze
2016-06-23T06:24:05 < ReadError> I would just make my own booze
2016-06-23T06:24:12 < dongs> haha
2016-06-23T06:24:14 < dongs> a fucking cabin
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2016-06-23T06:30:02 < dongs> no lol
2016-06-23T06:30:05 < dongs> but theres these fucking
2016-06-23T06:30:07 < dongs> clear shits
2016-06-23T06:30:10 < dongs> that sting
2016-06-23T06:30:14 < dongs> medusa or wahtever the fuck
2016-06-23T06:30:23 < ReadError> jelly fish?
2016-06-23T06:30:43 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-23T06:30:46 < dongs> with long ass legs
2016-06-23T06:31:08 < dongs> i only know the jap for it i dont even know wtf its in english
2016-06-23T06:31:26 < ReadError> the string legs
2016-06-23T06:32:43 < dongs> anyway, they only show up later in summer
2016-06-23T06:46:08 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/report-difference-between-python-small/
2016-06-23T06:46:11 < dongs> lol
2016-06-23T06:46:19 < dongs> Need a 1000 word report on the difference between c and python using referencing.
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2016-06-23T07:00:21 < jadew> last windows update screwed up my system so bad
2016-06-23T07:01:52 < dongs> wat
2016-06-23T07:03:34 < jadew> it suddenly started using 100% disk
2016-06-23T07:03:43 < jadew> the HDD led was solidly on
2016-06-23T07:03:52 < emeb_mac> typical windows
2016-06-23T07:03:59 < emeb_mac> mine does that all the time
2016-06-23T07:04:08 < jadew> tried uninstalling the updates, didn't allow me to - it didn't have the option
2016-06-23T07:04:16 < emeb_mac> usually when it's unpacking a set of patches
2016-06-23T07:04:39 < jadew> tried to reset my PC (basically it removes all apps and settings) it failed halfway through
2016-06-23T07:04:51 < jadew> with the same issue
2016-06-23T07:05:04 < jadew> then it did an "undo changes"
2016-06-23T07:05:08 < jadew> and now it works
2016-06-23T07:05:28 < jadew> I'm afraid to reboot tho
2016-06-23T07:05:33 < dongs> le fuck bro
2016-06-23T07:05:38 < dongs> do you even windows admin
2016-06-23T07:05:49 < jadew> ?
2016-06-23T07:05:51 < dongs> fire up fuckin resource meter
2016-06-23T07:05:55 < dongs> see what was spinning disk
2016-06-23T07:05:59 < dongs> it was probably .net assembly cacher thing
2016-06-23T07:06:02 < dongs> after installing update
2016-06-23T07:06:05 < dongs> it takes forever
2016-06-23T07:06:09 < dongs> to precompile all the .net trash
2016-06-23T07:06:21 < jadew> I did that, it was that defender thing but couldn't disable it
2016-06-23T07:06:33 < jadew> and the problem is that the issue was starting before booting up was complete
2016-06-23T07:06:35 < dongs> group policy
2016-06-23T07:06:39 < jadew> so sometimes it wouldn't boot at all
2016-06-23T07:06:42 < dongs> wut
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2016-06-23T07:06:53 < jadew> yeah, it was just stuck at the spinning circles
2016-06-23T07:07:29 < jadew> on restart it explorer or some other thing... DDE server window or something like that was crashing
2016-06-23T07:07:50 < jadew> this made it impossible to start the recovery process while logged in, because you had to restart and the restart was failing
2016-06-23T07:07:57 < dongs> bullshit
2016-06-23T07:08:02 < jadew> (I was eventually doing a hard reboot)
2016-06-23T07:08:12 < dongs> what garbage drive is your OS on
2016-06-23T07:08:17 < dongs> fucking spinning rust?
2016-06-23T07:08:24 < jadew> some SSD
2016-06-23T07:08:25 < dongs> there's your problem right there
2016-06-23T07:08:33 < dongs> errr/??????????????????????????
2016-06-23T07:09:27 < Thorn> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
2016-06-23T07:09:39 < dongs> haha thorn fuck off
2016-06-23T07:09:40 < jadew> Thorn, haha
2016-06-23T07:09:43 < Thorn> http://www.apple.com/mac/
2016-06-23T07:09:47 < dongs> also, lunix desktopo is like oxymoron
2016-06-23T07:09:59 < dongs> cuz clearly that cannot possibly work
2016-06-23T07:10:04 < dongs> why do they  call it jewtunto desktop
2016-06-23T07:10:06 < dongs> ???
2016-06-23T07:11:34 < jadew> oh, I forgot to mention, the whole system was freezing if I started chrome
2016-06-23T07:11:43 < jadew> then it started happening when starting FF too
2016-06-23T07:12:02 < jadew> I suspect a driver
2016-06-23T07:12:08 < Thorn> look in the system log
2016-06-23T07:12:30 < jadew> because the LED was turning solidly ON after that part in the boot process when the monitor goes off for a bit
2016-06-23T07:12:38 < jadew> because it's loading the graphics drivers
2016-06-23T07:13:10 < jadew> so I suspect that one of the drivers was causing the whole thing, what's weird tho, is that it works now
2016-06-23T07:13:15 < jadew> makes no freaking sense
2016-06-23T07:13:53 < jadew> I suppose I should test my RAM and the SSD
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2016-06-23T07:17:56 < ReadError> https://www.instagram.com/p/BFfGUrUqlQX/
2016-06-23T07:26:42 < dongs> shortcut wat
2016-06-23T07:26:49 < dongs> the fuck is a programs panel
2016-06-23T07:27:40 < dongs> whyare you even wasting time wiht that shti bro
2016-06-23T07:27:43 < dongs> start any app
2016-06-23T07:27:45 < dongs> right click itrs icon
2016-06-23T07:27:53 < dongs> pin to start or pin to taskbar
2016-06-23T07:27:54 < dongs> done
2016-06-23T07:27:57 < dongs> what fucking lists
2016-06-23T07:29:19 < dongs> actually to get it into start is different, press start, type program name, like "keil" then rightclick the resulting icon and pin to start
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2016-06-23T07:29:27 < jadew> the memory is ok
2016-06-23T07:29:29 < dongs> to pin to taskbar tho just rightclick
2016-06-23T07:32:48 < jadew> ohsix, nothing in the event viewer
2016-06-23T07:33:12 < jadew> just regular stuff + the error for when I shut it down from the button
2016-06-23T07:35:17 < jadew> I wonder what his reasoning was when he did that?
2016-06-23T07:35:28 < dongs> he wanted to get a fere one
2016-06-23T07:36:41 < jadew> well, my PC works properly now, I guess I just had to waste 4 hours+ on this
2016-06-23T07:37:09 < dongs> < dongs> fire up fuckin resource meter
2016-06-23T07:37:12 < dongs> < dongs> see what was spinning disk
2016-06-23T07:37:14 < dongs> < dongs> it was probably .net assembly cacher thing
2016-06-23T07:37:28 < jadew> dongs, told you what it was and that didn't seem to be the only issue
2016-06-23T07:37:30 < dongs> about jadew: trolled by self-incompetence
2016-06-23T07:37:42 < dongs> why do you even have dickfender enabled
2016-06-23T07:37:43 < dongs> in 2016
2016-06-23T07:37:46 < dongs> group policy that shit off
2016-06-23T07:37:58 < dongs> you're smarter than running a fucking antivuus on desktop
2016-06-23T07:38:01 < jadew> dongs, I don't mind it, it's very light
2016-06-23T07:38:19 < dongs> lolk enjoy it scannning every file you create
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2016-06-23T07:43:36 < jadew> 6TB drive?
2016-06-23T07:43:47 < jadew> damn
2016-06-23T07:45:10 < jadew> wow, looks like 8Tb drives exist too
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2016-06-23T07:45:43 < jadew> what's the transfer speed on that?
2016-06-23T07:46:14 < jadew> more than 1 Tb of games?
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2016-06-23T07:46:38 < jadew> and ohsix says he has more
2016-06-23T07:46:42 < jadew> do you have him on ignore?
2016-06-23T07:48:14 < jadew> I have 25 Gb worth of games
2016-06-23T07:49:18 < jadew> "131 Games not played"
2016-06-23T07:49:19 < jadew> lol
2016-06-23T07:51:10 < dongs> jadew, everyone sane has autism6 on ignore
2016-06-23T07:51:12 < dongs> you should too
2016-06-23T07:51:58 < dongs> crt is not bad
2016-06-23T07:52:06 < dongs> he pumps occasionally but at least hes not dumb / stoner
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2016-06-23T08:05:15 < jadew> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/bf/93/9c/bf939c2b22708d012c81dcddaef9f1b6.jpg
2016-06-23T08:08:30 < jadew> yeah, I don't know anyone IRL who even uses twitter
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2016-06-23T08:12:53 < jadew> R2COM, told you, I played it a bit, but only to install the naked mod
2016-06-23T08:13:05 < Bright> Welcome
2016-06-23T08:13:25 < jadew> most 3d games give me movement sickness
2016-06-23T08:13:31 < jadew> skyrim is one of them
2016-06-23T08:15:07 < jadew> I discovered that with woflenstein
2016-06-23T08:30:22 < dongs> R2PRO, did you dickstart starcitizen
2016-06-23T08:38:36 < dongs> nice
2016-06-23T08:38:47 < dongs> yeah it was a dicksarter gae thatraised something like 150millions
2016-06-23T08:38:54 < dongs> and its complete trash
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2016-06-23T09:06:07 < dongs> bedtime
2016-06-23T09:09:25 < ReadError> partytime
2016-06-23T09:10:47 < ReadError> you seen Veep ?
2016-06-23T09:10:54 < ReadError> i started it, pretty good
2016-06-23T09:11:24 < ReadError> yea finished s05e09
2016-06-23T09:11:33 < ReadError> so waiting on the last
2016-06-23T09:11:48 < ReadError> ya
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2016-06-23T09:35:29 < ReadError> yea noticed that
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2016-06-23T09:53:23 < ReadError> eh i dont like bill maher
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2016-06-23T09:55:02 < anton02> any idea why line 20 would crash my program? http://ideone.com/GrJzRT
2016-06-23T09:56:06 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/zRQXUQ4.png
2016-06-23T09:56:16 < ReadError> this bitch is prolly about to go too
2016-06-23T09:56:59 < jpa-> anton02: is plasma on stack or in .bss?
2016-06-23T09:57:24 < anton02> jpa-, what is .bss
2016-06-23T09:57:27 < jpa-> it is 256kB large so it will definitely overflow your stack and very likely not fit in RAM anyway
2016-06-23T09:57:53 < anton02> oh
2016-06-23T09:58:42 < ReadError> esxi
2016-06-23T09:58:47 < ReadError> vsphere client
2016-06-23T09:59:24 < anton02> true
2016-06-23T10:06:17 < ReadError> lol read rate is 7MB/s
2016-06-23T10:14:51 < anton02> for some reason even 2048 bytes crashes it'
2016-06-23T10:15:06 < anton02> 1000 bytes doesnt
2016-06-23T10:15:12 < jpa-> how big is your stack?
2016-06-23T10:15:25 < jpa-> and is it on stack, or global scope?
2016-06-23T10:15:29 < anton02> my MCU has 512kB RAM
2016-06-23T10:15:58 < anton02> local scope
2016-06-23T10:16:03 < jpa-> so stack
2016-06-23T10:16:37 < jpa-> you'll have to check your linker scripts to see how large stack space you have, but i wouldn't suggest putting such big stuff on stack
2016-06-23T10:16:40 < jpa-> declare it static
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2016-06-23T10:17:11 < anton02> i put it global and it works now
2016-06-23T10:17:53 < upgrdman> stack overflow is well known for a reason :)
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2016-06-23T10:39:06 < ReadError> hmm
2016-06-23T10:39:10 < ReadError> is it today the UK votes?
2016-06-23T10:40:56 < jadew> don't know
2016-06-23T10:41:25 < jpa-> yes
2016-06-23T10:41:31 < jpa-> though results only tomorrow
2016-06-23T10:41:31 < jadew> yeah, seems like it's today
2016-06-23T10:41:58 < jadew> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/eu-referendum-poll-the-latest-tracker-and-odds/
2016-06-23T10:42:37 < jpa-> it's funny how they have referendum even though it seems they haven't even decided whether "leave" means "stay in EEA" or leave that also
2016-06-23T10:43:21 < jadew> personally, I feel the situation wasn't properly analyzed (publicly)
2016-06-23T10:43:44 < jadew> people are now voting based on how stupid they are
2016-06-23T10:43:49 < jpa-> yep :)
2016-06-23T10:44:04 < jpa-> though that is pretty much every public vote ever
2016-06-23T10:45:26 < jadew> ohsix, if a situation is clear, there is usually a social movement formed around it
2016-06-23T10:45:40 < jadew> and the idiots get persuaded by their smart friends and relatives to vote the right way
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2016-06-23T10:58:35 < jadew> I bet London is going to be 50+ for exit
2016-06-23T10:58:50 < jadew> sorry
2016-06-23T10:58:53 < jadew> 50+ for stay
2016-06-23T10:59:03 < jadew> with the rest of the country leaning the other way
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2016-06-23T11:01:52 < jadew> didn't this whole thing started because of the migrant crisis?
2016-06-23T11:03:44 < jadew> yeah, but what I'm trying to get at is that 1) the migrant crisis didn't really effect UK that much
2016-06-23T11:04:35 < jadew> and the effects of immigration, which has caused a lot of grief in the UK, happened because of a completely different wave of migration
2016-06-23T11:04:53 < jadew> which was a result of UK's colonization attempts
2016-06-23T11:04:58 < jadew> had nothing to do with the EU
2016-06-23T11:05:49 < jadew> so in the end, it started because of nothing much and many of those who will vot for exit, will vote for the wrong reasons
2016-06-23T11:06:04 < jadew> *vote
2016-06-23T11:09:48 < jadew> well, immigration is a problem in the UK, but it's not a EU problem
2016-06-23T11:10:43 < jadew> ohsix, lots of immigration is always a problem, because the incomming population never comes from a higher developed society
2016-06-23T11:10:49 < jadew> which means they'll work for less
2016-06-23T11:11:16 < jadew> that means the original population will suffer wage cuts and loss of jobs
2016-06-23T11:11:33 < jadew> for a company it's normal to want to pay less
2016-06-23T11:12:01 < jadew> and for the original population is hard to accept that their work suddenly isn't worth as much as before
2016-06-23T11:12:33 < jadew> well, more people to be employed => lower wages :)
2016-06-23T11:13:53 < mitrax_> oh come on
2016-06-23T11:14:03 < mitrax_> social dumping is real, it's happening right now in europe
2016-06-23T11:14:12 < jadew> ohsix, it already happened in the UK
2016-06-23T11:14:16 < jadew> they're way past it
2016-06-23T11:14:25 < jadew> I would say they are now in the recovering phase
2016-06-23T11:14:39 < jadew> don't know if you remember a couple of years back, the riots and all that
2016-06-23T11:14:42 < jadew> that's what it was about
2016-06-23T11:17:15 < jadew> ohsix, I can't present you with any evidence, but it stands to reason
2016-06-23T11:17:34 < jadew> in London almost half the population is not English
2016-06-23T11:17:51 < jadew> that means that the other half has to compete twice as hard for any job
2016-06-23T11:18:03 < jadew> WITH PEOPLE WILLING TO WORK FOR LESS
2016-06-23T11:18:21 < jadew> doesn't matter where they're from
2016-06-23T11:18:31 < jadew> immigration rarely happens because people want to change scenary
2016-06-23T11:18:53 < jadew> ohsix, come on...
2016-06-23T11:18:57 < mitrax_> ohsix: it should be pretty obvious to you that in a country that has a 5 to 10% unemployment rate, bringing in migrant that will work at lower rate will only cause more problem
2016-06-23T11:19:14 < mitrax_> ohsix: that's called reality you don't need a "government study" to prove it
2016-06-23T11:21:37 < mitrax_> ohsix: the problem is not only wage decline, but cost of life doubling over a 10 years period, and wages not moving a bit
2016-06-23T11:22:02 < mitrax_> ohsix: or rather not increasing, as it did in the past aligned with inflation
2016-06-23T11:23:45 < mitrax_> ohsix: UK, france (where i live), spain, italy etc.
2016-06-23T11:25:31 < jadew> it's when the real estate market collapsed
2016-06-23T11:25:36 < jadew> 2 years after US
2016-06-23T11:26:10 < jadew> in fact after it crashed in US, the bubble started getting heavily pumped in the EU
2016-06-23T11:26:11 < mitrax_> ohsix: and what's happening also is there is a lot of fraud too... companies are supposed to pay the minimum legal wage even for foreign workers, but they don't... the minimum wage in poland is 336€ / month, in france it's 1398€ / month... if a company offers say 600€ to a polish worker he'll be more than happy
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2016-06-23T11:28:17 < mitrax_> ohsix: plus it causes a lot of social tension... it's like everything is done so the "fear of the other" as you call it, and that might have been irrational in the first place becomes justified when you just look around and see what's happening...
2016-06-23T11:29:01 < mitrax_> ohsix: there are poor/ homeless people that got kicked out of some buildings / neighboorhod in germany so new homes / shelters etc could be built for migrants
2016-06-23T11:29:12 < mitrax_> ohsix: what do you think happens when you do that?
2016-06-23T11:30:30 < jadew> the advice you get from that is "we should stop bringing in foreign work force"
2016-06-23T11:30:57 < mitrax_> ohsix: you can
2016-06-23T11:31:10 < mitrax_> ohsix: fist of all, stop fucking up the middle east and countries like syria... ukrain etc
2016-06-23T11:31:17 < mitrax_> fist/first
2016-06-23T11:32:49 < ReadError> ohsix lol the libtard segment on samantha bee
2016-06-23T11:36:57 < mitrax_> ohsix: no, if you're not of working age you're not counted as part of the 'active' population
2016-06-23T11:37:12 < mitrax_> ohsix: hence you're not included in the % of umployed people
2016-06-23T11:47:23 < mitrax_> ohsix: oh sure
2016-06-23T11:47:38 < mitrax_> ohsix: is there a thing in europe where people say things are bad because it was at some point and lots of people felt it, but the statistics don't bear it out <= definitely
2016-06-23T11:48:06 < mitrax_> ohsix: cost of life for example, because of the way the calculate it
2016-06-23T11:49:00 < mitrax_> ohsix: they include cost of everyday stuff like food along with hightech products (computers / tv) coming from china
2016-06-23T11:49:24 < mitrax_> ohsix: so while a flat TV has seen its cost reduced by a 1/10 factor in 15 years, food has doubled
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2016-06-23T11:52:20 < mitrax_> ohsix: so while everybody has seen a big difference in cost of life since we switched to euros, politics and journalists will bring up those biased statistics and say "hey look, it only increased by 5% which is what you'd expect over such a period"
2016-06-23T11:52:39 < anton02> how many hours do you think it would take a pro to dma'ize my code
2016-06-23T11:53:46 < mitrax_> ohsix: the statistics i was telling you about earlier, that don't make a distinction about high tech imported products and first necessity items
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2016-06-23T12:07:45 < mitrax_> ohsix: sure you'll find properly done statistics but that's not the ones they bring up on TV when they advocate euro and claim cost of life hasn't changed that much since 2002
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2016-06-23T12:08:30 < mitrax_> ohsix: some things are pretty obvious...  if i check a supermarket receipts from 2002 and one from last week and there's a x2 factor on almost everything...
2016-06-23T12:15:02 < mitrax_> ohsix: well of course supermarkets are making bigger margins, i'm not discussing that, part of the problem is that because of the conversion ratio you have to apply from the old french franc to euro (x0.15), people have completely lost the sense of the real cost of things
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2016-06-23T12:25:19 < mitrax_> ohsix: yes
2016-06-23T12:37:14 < mitrax_> ohsix: my point is simply that, over here, statistics presented by the government or most media will tell you cost of life hasn't changed much with euro, or, that the unemployment rate is decreasing, when reality says otherwise... 3 months ago they claimed unemployment decreased by 1% over one month or something... yeah, cause the employment agency delisted about 30 000 people because they
2016-06-23T12:37:14 < mitrax_> "failed to update their status"... so those people were still unemployed but not taken into account anymore
2016-06-23T12:37:50 < mitrax_> ohsix: and that's why i get nervous when someone goes "hey, do you have stats to back that up"? :p
2016-06-23T12:39:04 < mitrax_> back to stm32 stuff!
2016-06-23T12:45:01 < karlp> mitrax_: what's worse, "bad" stats, or "I just know, so there" ?
2016-06-23T12:46:01 < karlp> heh, england and their inflation concerns.
2016-06-23T12:46:15 < anton02> i wish you could run figlet on stm32
2016-06-23T12:46:20 < karlp> who gives a shit what the numbers were on your grocery slip from 10 years ago.
2016-06-23T12:46:31 < karlp> what matters is what percentage of your take home wage it was.
2016-06-23T12:47:12 < jpa-> though one would expect most people's take home wage to rise faster than inflation
2016-06-23T12:48:09 < mitrax_> karlp: well as i said earlier, for most people (in france) salaries hasn't moved a bit since
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2016-06-23T12:59:11 < mitrax_> karlp: of course statistics are useful, i'm not exactly saying "eh that's all bullshit, i know better", but  more often than not they're presented in a deceitful way... comparing a consumer price index from 2002 and 2015 and claiming "hey look, in average prices haven't changed that much", when that CPI is a composite of phone/computer/tv price index, and food price index , that IS deceitful
2016-06-23T13:00:07 < mitrax_> you don't fucking eat your TV or usb stick for lunch
2016-06-23T13:07:49 < anton02> 3 bit colour gives you better results than you would think https://imagemagick.org/discourse-server/viewtopic.php?t=27655
2016-06-23T13:10:01 < karlp> people watched black and white tv for years and thought it was amazballs
2016-06-23T13:11:30 < anton02> makes you wonder why they couldnt throw in just a few more bits before making TVs mainstream
2016-06-23T13:11:44 < jpa-> wut? :D
2016-06-23T13:11:59 < karlp> you want to go into zypsnips again? you're on track boyo ;)
2016-06-23T13:11:59 < mitrax_> anton02: TV was analog back then you know :)
2016-06-23T13:12:11 < mitrax_> ahaha
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2016-06-23T13:29:13 < Steffanx> Anton02 please continue. :D
2016-06-23T13:32:31 < jpa-> why did early phones use cables? couldn't they have atleast connected to wifi if there wasn't 3G yet?
2016-06-23T13:35:20 < anton02> not subtle enough
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2016-06-23T14:20:42 < anton02> got this working. next step is to get it working with DMA now I guess. http://i.imgur.com/TOdpwsa.jpg
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2016-06-23T14:31:04 < jpa-> Steffanx: some dude in ##electronics wants to know what numbers are spoken here: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XPp8PgU7/call_03-48-46_IN_.amr
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2016-06-23T14:38:14 < Steffanx> Cant listen to that right now
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2016-06-23T14:38:38 < jpa-> ok :)
2016-06-23T14:39:22 < upgrdman> damn it. finally found some chinese candy that i like. look closer at the packaging... its actually some candy from japan and some from korea. figures.
2016-06-23T14:39:48 < karlp> doesn't matter, you could buy it in china
2016-06-23T14:40:26 < upgrdman> ya close enough i guess
2016-06-23T14:41:37 < upgrdman> i gotta admit though, the mcdonalds chicken in china is better than the stuff in the usa.
2016-06-23T14:42:22 < upgrdman> that and china pizza hut are like the only good memories i have of shanghai
2016-06-23T14:42:23 < mitrax_> jpa-: sounds like zes drie nul acht zes, that would be 63086 but i may be wrong
2016-06-23T14:43:43 < jpa-> that's what the guy thought himself also, so probably the best guess one can get
2016-06-23T14:48:39 < karlp> upgrdman: kfc in iceland is _far_ better than kfc in australia too for instance,
2016-06-23T14:49:15 < upgrdman> oh ya kfc in cn is so so much better than usa kfc
2016-06-23T14:49:46 < upgrdman> cn burger king is just meh though
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2016-06-23T14:52:58 < ReadError> http://www.ebay.com/itm/A123-Systems-ANR26650M1-A-High-Power-Lithium-Ion-Cell-Brand-New-100-Pieces-/201498063622?hash=item2eea387306:g:qOkAAOSwX~dWjWFG
2016-06-23T14:53:02 < ReadError> thats a really good deal
2016-06-23T15:01:44 < Steffanx> Meh.
2016-06-23T15:02:09 < Steffanx> Oh ships from us.
2016-06-23T15:05:44 < ReadError> yea US shipping so 15$ for me
2016-06-23T15:05:54 < ReadError> I like the price, 100 im sure i could eventually use
2016-06-23T15:06:16 < jpa-> "eventual" is not very good for li-ion
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2016-06-23T15:08:38 < ReadError> they are LiFePO4
2016-06-23T15:08:46 < ReadError> I thought much more stable
2016-06-23T15:08:51 < jpa-> ah
2016-06-23T15:09:47 < Sync> heh
2016-06-23T15:09:50 < jpa-> hard to find info about lifepo4 aging, i guess still so new
2016-06-23T15:09:58 < Sync> my dad was amazed of how small lipos are
2016-06-23T15:10:02 < jpa-> cycle life is fast to test, storage life not so
2016-06-23T15:10:06 < Sync> bought him two 4s 16Ah cells
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2016-06-23T15:10:36 < flutterbat> upgrdman: how popular is dog meat in china really?
2016-06-23T15:10:46 < upgrdman> no idea
2016-06-23T15:10:57 < upgrdman> but i see people look at stray dogs and smile
2016-06-23T15:11:02 < flutterbat> lol
2016-06-23T15:11:07 < upgrdman> not sure if because cute or because delicious
2016-06-23T15:11:14 < ReadError> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/48v-200ah-lifepo4-battery-pack-more-than-2000-cycle
2016-06-23T15:11:15 < ReadError> damn
2016-06-23T15:11:30 < ReadError> 2000 cycles only 8% drop
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2016-06-23T15:36:44 < Steffanx> Lol linkedin as sores.
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2016-06-23T15:44:35 < Steffanx> Voted yet laurenceb__ ?
2016-06-23T15:44:44 < Laurenceb__> yup
2016-06-23T15:44:53 < Steffanx> Brexit?
2016-06-23T15:45:05 < Laurenceb__> yup
2016-06-23T15:45:09 < Steffanx> Hah.
2016-06-23T15:45:57 < Laurenceb__> Poles getting deported
2016-06-23T15:46:04 < Steffanx> 100% for brexit. In my exit poll.
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2016-06-23T15:58:31 < Laurenceb__> lulwut http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/21/11984548/hyperloop-one-moscow-announcement-magomedov
2016-06-23T15:58:39 < Laurenceb__> Musk trolled Putin
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2016-06-23T16:17:52 < kakimir> Geta Rissanen Odotan Teemu puolesta
2016-06-23T16:18:04 < kakimir> hah Auto fuck
2016-06-23T16:18:25 < kakimir> get rid of them poles
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2016-06-23T16:20:19 < kakimir> you know there will not be more than 49% brexit
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2016-06-23T16:22:19 < kakimir> I don't think they allow it
2016-06-23T16:25:49 < mitrax_> nope, won't happen
2016-06-23T16:26:21 < mitrax_> the result is purely advisory anyway
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2016-06-23T16:28:47 < anton02> i wonder why stm only has 16 pins per port. They could have 32 since these are 32bit cpus. That way you could do more GPIO toggling while taking up less CPU cycles by setting whole ports
2016-06-23T16:30:04 < Laurenceb__> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=87b_1466680467
2016-06-23T16:30:34 < mitrax_> kakimir: the referendum is not legally binding, the UK government can ignore the result, and i'm pretty sure they will if the outcome is a yes...
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2016-06-23T16:35:52 < zyp> anton02, meh
2016-06-23T16:36:21 < zyp> anton02, that means that BSRR wouldn't fit in a single register
2016-06-23T16:36:50 < zyp> only 16 ports means you can fit 16 set bits and 16 reset bits in the same register
2016-06-23T16:37:27 < zyp> which means you can set some pins high and some pins low at the same time, without touching the other pins on the same port
2016-06-23T16:42:27 < anton02> by that logic wouldnt Atmegas need to have 4 pins per port
2016-06-23T16:44:51 < jpa-> i don't think fast bit-banging is a very significant design criteria anyway
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2016-06-23T17:02:57 < karlp> anton02: if avrs wanted to have independent set/reset yes, they would
2016-06-23T17:03:01 < karlp> they don't have that feature thought
2016-06-23T17:03:18 < kakimir> hmm cargo from China to Europe in a day
2016-06-23T17:03:34 < anton02> but you can independently set pins on AVR without it affecting other pins on the same port
2016-06-23T17:03:36 < kakimir> sounds really nice
2016-06-23T17:03:38 < anton02> atmega*
2016-06-23T17:07:16 < karlp> anton02: how?
2016-06-23T17:09:20 < anton02> bit masking the port
2016-06-23T17:14:37 < englishman> now you have a read before writr
2016-06-23T17:14:39 < englishman> And math
2016-06-23T17:17:25 < mitrax_> anton02:  <zyp> which means you can set some pins high and some pins low at the same time, without touching the other pins on the same port
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2016-06-23T17:21:53 < anton02> seems like a pretty big sacrifice to make just so you dont need to read the port beforehand. for all i could have known, HAL might have been doing that for me anyway behind the scenes
2016-06-23T17:27:38 < Thorn> you mean instantly?
2016-06-23T17:28:01 < Thorn> a read takes at least 2 cycles, logic at least 1, the write another 2 (min)
2016-06-23T17:29:26 < Thorn> which limits your maximum gpio frequency
2016-06-23T17:33:33 < mitrax_> anton02: eh funny you say that considering your initial question was <anton02> i wonder why stm only has 16 pins per port. They could have 32 since these are 32bit cpus. That way you could do more GPIO toggling while taking up less CPU cycles by setting whole ports
2016-06-23T17:35:24 < anton02> it would be just 1 read though and then youd potentially save up to 16 writes
2016-06-23T17:35:38 < mitrax_> 16 writes uh?
2016-06-23T17:38:46 < anton02> this seems pretty awesome http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Smart-Electronics-ESP-12E-WeMos-D1-WiFi-uno-based-ESP8266-shield-for-arduino-Compatible-IDE/32666731337.html
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2016-06-23T17:46:58 < anton02> you wouldnt need to read though if you keep track of what you've already written
2016-06-23T17:50:57 < Thorn> if you're keeping track in a RAM variable then reading it is probably the same as reading GPIO
2016-06-23T17:51:22 < anton02> oh
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2016-06-23T18:31:43 < Ecco> Guys, I'm reading about DFU programming
2016-06-23T18:32:06 < Ecco> Apparently the STM32 device I'm using has a weird flash memory
2016-06-23T18:32:25 < Ecco> it's 4 16k sectors, followed by one 64K sector and eventually 3 128K sectors
2016-06-23T18:32:34 < Ecco> why is that? And what's a sector?
2016-06-23T18:34:06 < knielsen> Ecco: a sector is the unit of erase - to rewrite the flash, you need to first erase all of one or more sectors
2016-06-23T18:34:09 < mitrax_> Ecco: addressing for those sector is contiguous, but they're individually erasable
2016-06-23T18:34:59 < mitrax_> Ecco: you can fit a bootloader in the lower sectors and only erase upper sectors when you want to update your firmware
2016-06-23T18:35:13 < Ecco> I understand
2016-06-23T18:35:21 < Ecco> also, why do they have different size sectors?
2016-06-23T18:35:42 < Ecco> why not using a bunch of 16k sectors, for example?
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2016-06-23T18:35:55 < Sync> because that takes up space on the die
2016-06-23T18:35:57 < Sync> and nobody needs it
2016-06-23T18:38:16 < Ecco> I understand
2016-06-23T18:38:19 < Ecco> ok, thanks!
2016-06-23T18:38:53 < Ecco> Regarding DFU (and the ROM-ed DFU firmware made by ST)
2016-06-23T18:39:02 < Ecco> It reports a bunch of memory areas
2016-06-23T18:39:16 < Ecco> (flash, OTP, Option Bytes, Device Feature)
2016-06-23T18:39:27 < Ecco> -> What are the Option Bytes and Device Feature?
2016-06-23T18:39:37 < Ecco> -> Does that mean that I can't peek/poke whatever address I like?
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2016-06-23T19:13:20 < knielsen> OTP is one-time programmable - can be written only once (maybe some security feature?)
2016-06-23T19:13:53 < knielsen> Option Bytes for example allow to set boot mode on some devices (alternative to BOOT0/BOOT1 pins), probably other configuration as well
2016-06-23T19:14:04  * knielsen not sure about device feature
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2016-06-23T21:37:33 < kakimir> serial numbers, hardware versions, keys
2016-06-23T21:38:03 < kakimir> date of manuf
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2016-06-23T21:58:16 < Steffanx>  </backlogReading>
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2016-06-23T22:12:52 < Steffanx> "such bad screen" ..
2016-06-23T22:13:13 < Steffanx> +green
2016-06-23T22:15:35 < Steffanx> ok
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2016-06-23T22:29:09 < mitrax_> ohsix: you don't get it, of course separate data about food price etc are there... if you look for them you'll find them eventually, but over here the general public is given the composite index along with the claim "prices didn't go through the roof"... that's why i'm saying it's deceitful, a composite index that mixes price index of electronics appliance along with food is not relevant
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2016-06-23T22:32:48 < mitrax_> oh come on
2016-06-23T22:33:42 < mitrax_> if it's 30° outside and the weather report tells me it's snowing i don't need to wonder what's wrong, the thermometer or the weather forecast and if i should put a coat or not
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2016-06-23T22:35:21 < mitrax_> *cough* that was a metaphore ...
2016-06-23T22:37:38 < mitrax_> well now you're just arguing for the sake of argument
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2016-06-23T22:50:59 < mitrax_> well first of all i live in france, not UK, i'm sure i can check the national stats site and pull some graphics that shows food price have increased a lot while the median salary didn't change much... but really there's actually no debate among people over here ... if you don't believe me, don't, i can live with that
2016-06-23T22:52:13 < mitrax_> and please spare me the extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence... quote as if we were arguing unicorns existence or whatever
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2016-06-23T22:55:55 < mitrax_> it's not "my" circumstance, it's anybody who lives in france... as for the weather metaphore, let me put it another way, if there's snow outside and i can see it with my eyes, it's obvious enough, i don't need some authoritative "source" to tell me there actually is snow
2016-06-23T22:57:39 < mitrax_> well sorry but i don't *have* to, honestly i don't care if you think i have a biased feeling and that what i claim is just based on *my* experience
2016-06-23T22:59:51 < mitrax_> eh i wasn't refering to the snow example...
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2016-06-24T00:14:26 < emeb> that's pretty funny so far
2016-06-24T00:14:46 < emeb> gotta love exploding heads
2016-06-24T00:14:55 < emeb> tastefully done of course...
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2016-06-24T00:23:36 < emeb> ohsix: nope - no cable.
2016-06-24T00:25:01 < emeb> :)
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2016-06-24T01:21:09 < Laurenceb__> I dont know whats going on in here any more
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2016-06-24T01:30:25 < Laurenceb__> shitposting then
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2016-06-24T01:31:54 < Laurenceb__> great shitain
2016-06-24T01:33:07 < kakimir> bumbum
2016-06-24T01:33:47 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pc-Graphite-Electrode-Rod-Round-Bar-Carbon-Stick-OD-4mm-Length-25-to-355mm-U6-/182023334602 I wonder what dimension rods I wound want
2016-06-24T01:34:01 < kakimir> for plasma heating aluminum
2016-06-24T01:34:10 < kakimir> *arc
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2016-06-24T01:48:26 < kakimir> and how quickly those wear
2016-06-24T01:49:24 < kakimir> lookin
2016-06-24T01:50:07 < kakimir> scientific papers
2016-06-24T01:50:14 < kakimir> no one has time for that
2016-06-24T01:50:58 < kakimir> :D
2016-06-24T01:51:02 < kakimir> yes
2016-06-24T01:51:09 < kakimir> like a year or many years
2016-06-24T01:51:33 < kakimir> I think I just get rods
2016-06-24T01:51:59 < kakimir> and then do research if wear is notable
2016-06-24T01:54:21 < kakimir> fuckin gastroesophageal reflux
2016-06-24T01:55:39 < kakimir> sure did some nice carb refill for supper
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2016-06-24T02:01:17 < kakimir> eating this anti reflux powder without mxing it into water is bad idea but works
2016-06-24T02:01:32 < kakimir> not all at once but in small portitions
2016-06-24T02:02:03 < kakimir> I don't know vegs
2016-06-24T02:02:29 < kakimir> I did just that
2016-06-24T02:02:38 < kakimir> because tired
2016-06-24T02:03:00 < kakimir> I should know my vegs better
2016-06-24T02:04:02 < kakimir> is it any importance to eat sinc pills?
2016-06-24T02:04:59 < kakimir> I eat magnesium and have that sinc thing but I don't know what I need it for
2016-06-24T02:06:34 < kakimir> my sister dumped all those pills to me
2016-06-24T02:06:41 < Laurenceb__> freaking brexit dramaz
2016-06-24T02:06:46 < Laurenceb__> just get result already
2016-06-24T02:07:25 < kakimir> result is: your vote is rigged
2016-06-24T02:08:40 < kakimir> classic
2016-06-24T02:09:46 < kakimir> [D"it's nutella"
2016-06-24T02:10:51 < kakimir> I think I developed a stomach wound in my late teens
2016-06-24T02:11:07 < kakimir> 2 bottles of cola per day
2016-06-24T02:11:26 < kakimir> big ones
2016-06-24T02:12:19 < kakimir> infernal stomach burn I needed to lay still in vertain position to not die to pain
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2016-06-24T02:20:01 < kakimir> nite>
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2016-06-24T04:22:09 < dongs> just paid for id4 tickets with paypal
2016-06-24T04:22:11 < dongs> life is good
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2016-06-24T04:47:19 < dongs> apparently rotten jewmatoes loved it
2016-06-24T04:47:25 < dongs> so it must be a must watch
2016-06-24T04:47:36 < dongs> anything < 50% on rotten = guaranteed funny
2016-06-24T04:52:40 < dongs> lol who cares
2016-06-24T04:52:52 < dongs> why arent you driving your FORD to movie theater to watch independence day
2016-06-24T04:53:47 < dongs> eww
2016-06-24T04:53:52 < dongs> faggot movie of the year
2016-06-24T04:54:24 < dongs> warcraft is wat
2016-06-24T04:54:27 < dongs> based on the dumb stoner game?
2016-06-24T04:54:41 < dongs> yeah what could go wrong
2016-06-24T04:54:43 < dongs> sounds liek compelte shit
2016-06-24T04:54:50 < dongs> movie for autistic fucks
2016-06-24T04:54:55 < dongs> who jerk off to nude monsters
2016-06-24T04:56:14 < aandrew> it was fun
2016-06-24T04:56:34 < dongs> should be good fun, i don't go to movies to watch shit like pulp fiction
2016-06-24T04:58:12 < dongs> ill go watch it today
2016-06-24T04:58:59 < dongs> i moved up a bit, there are TWO here
2016-06-24T04:59:05 < dongs> i called up to see if there was seats
2016-06-24T04:59:19 < dongs> the dude sounded surprised as fuck like why are you even asking
2016-06-24T04:59:29 < dongs> hes like theres so much seats, some shows havent even started selling
2016-06-24T04:59:52 < dongs> i suspect i migh have a nice private screening
2016-06-24T05:00:01 < dongs> without faggots making noise all around me
2016-06-24T05:00:58 < dongs> haha
2016-06-24T05:04:07 < dongs> http://maruos.com/#/ wtf is this
2016-06-24T05:04:10 < dongs> looks like jewdroid
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2016-06-24T05:38:02 < dongs> what the the O say to the Q?
2016-06-24T05:38:10 < dongs> your dong is out
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2016-06-24T05:58:58 < Thorn> why is 401 discovery NRND? the 401 family itself is Active
2016-06-24T05:59:35 < dongs> what was spcial about 401disco
2016-06-24T06:00:38 < dongs> looks like it has a bunch of ancient MEMS on it
2016-06-24T06:00:50 < dongs> im pretty sure LSM303DHLC is old and NRND also
2016-06-24T06:01:41 < dongs>  huh 401disco looks lmost same as f4disco
2016-06-24T06:02:56 < Thorn> it has a compass, f4disco does not
2016-06-24T06:03:44 < dongs> that was my point
2016-06-24T06:03:46 < dongs> im pretty sure that mag is nrnd
2016-06-24T06:05:00 < Thorn> yes it is
2016-06-24T06:05:08 < dongs> thats why 401disco is nrnd then
2016-06-24T06:06:42 < Thorn> it has a rate sensor which f4disco does not
2016-06-24T06:06:59 < dongs> f4disco has no mems at all except mic, no?
2016-06-24T06:07:21 < dongs> if you want mems, i think F3disco had a mag/accel
2016-06-24T06:07:25 < Thorn> it has a linear sensor
2016-06-24T06:07:26 < dongs> not sure if had gyro
2016-06-24T06:07:27 < dongs> maybe also
2016-06-24T06:08:00 < dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
2016-06-24T06:08:03 < Thorn> LIS302DL (rev a,b) or LIS3DSH (rev c,d)
2016-06-24T06:08:44 < dongs> need laurence/b/ opinion
2016-06-24T06:16:18 < Thorn> f3 discovery also has LSM303DLHC but it's not nrnd
2016-06-24T06:16:23 < dongs> odd
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2016-06-24T06:23:58 < scrts> sup lads?
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2016-06-24T06:34:25 < anton02> how do you specify to DMA when you want it to copy a bit from memory to a GPIO pin?
2016-06-24T06:37:57 < dongs> memory to pherpieral, and specify GPIOx->ODR or whatever for output
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2016-06-24T06:42:59 < dongs> lul
2016-06-24T06:43:05 < dongs> workfgt buying 2k of ATSAM3X8EA-AU
2016-06-24T06:43:15 < dongs> because the asshole thought stm32 was "too hard" to code for
2016-06-24T06:48:02 < dongs> lol
2016-06-24T06:48:03 < dongs> hes using
2016-06-24T06:48:04 < dongs> literally
2016-06-24T06:48:05 < dongs> arduino ide
2016-06-24T06:48:10 < dongs> so , no
2016-06-24T06:48:11 < Sync> kek
2016-06-24T06:48:36 < dongs> yes but thats TOO HARD
2016-06-24T06:49:47 < ds2> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww Atmel Studio
2016-06-24T06:53:38 < dongs> lol shut up
2016-06-24T06:53:41 < dongs> opensores fanatic
2016-06-24T06:55:46 < dongs> /b/rexit
2016-06-24T06:56:22 < Thorn> dongs: is he a manager, or is he the only one working on his project?
2016-06-24T06:56:58 < scrts> atmel = microchip
2016-06-24T06:57:01 < scrts> so yeah
2016-06-24T06:57:08 < scrts> bestest stuff ever
2016-06-24T06:57:20 < dongs> Thorn: hes under a manager
2016-06-24T06:57:31 < dongs> he tried to get me involved but projcet is insane, so i told him to fuck off
2016-06-24T06:57:38 < dongs> so hes doing it solo-ish
2016-06-24T06:59:03 < dongs> k time to head to the movie
2016-06-24T06:59:08 < dongs> bbl
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2016-06-24T07:18:11 < upgrdman> im in the 3rd world, its too slow to stream shi
2016-06-24T07:18:15 < upgrdman> shit
2016-06-24T07:18:24 < upgrdman> tl;dw ?
2016-06-24T07:24:02 < upgrdman> am i supposed to care
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2016-06-24T07:36:49 < anton02> or could you specify that when the memory changes, immediately copy that memory to GPIO pin
2016-06-24T07:39:29 < anton02> for some reason there's no option here for memory to peripheral http://i.imgur.com/ADkeSWe.jpg
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2016-06-24T07:44:00 < anton02> stm32f7 discovery
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2016-06-24T07:45:00 < anton02> yep
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2016-06-24T07:46:50 < anton02> lets just say port b the whole port
2016-06-24T07:47:24 < anton02> yeah
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2016-06-24T07:52:29 < anton02> i think i'd rather do it this way "When using "DMA_M2M_Disable", you need a hardware DMA trigger source, using "DMA_M2M" you can trig the DMA by your code, when you enable the DMA, the transfer starts."
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2016-06-24T07:57:42 < anton02> so each time i want a transfer to a GPIO pin to happen, I just use DMA_M2M as opposed to HAL_GPIO_WritePin and supposedly this should result in less clock cycles being taken up
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2016-06-24T08:00:31 < anton02> the quote i posted was from here http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/138887/dma-between-gpio-and-sram-on-stm32
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2016-06-24T08:01:36 < anton02> you mean with what frequency its copied?
2016-06-24T08:02:19 < anton02> e.g. every 10ms
2016-06-24T08:05:53 < anton02> yep i enabled that timer and i can select memory to peripheral now
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2016-06-24T08:24:37 < Laurenceb__> holy shit
2016-06-24T08:24:41 < Laurenceb__> Brexit
2016-06-24T08:26:41 < Laurenceb__> https://media2.8ch.net/pol/src/1466744755930.jpg
2016-06-24T08:26:43 < Laurenceb__> accurate
2016-06-24T08:27:39 < Laurenceb__> LET THE DEPORTATIONS BEGIN!
2016-06-24T08:28:06 < Shavik> I love some real big drama
2016-06-24T08:28:35 < Shavik> Got my first STM32 based design in today. I will blame Brexit if it doesn't work or catches fire when I first power  it.
2016-06-24T08:28:41 < Shavik> Thanks for the scapegoat
2016-06-24T08:29:35 < Laurenceb__> http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160624103400-leave-eu-referendum-supporters-0624-03-super-tease.jpg
2016-06-24T08:29:38 < Laurenceb__> accurate
2016-06-24T08:30:52 < Shavik> So I googled Yr Undeb Ewropeaidd
2016-06-24T08:30:57 < Shavik> The first link is not very helpful
2016-06-24T08:31:01 < Shavik> https://cy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yr_Undeb_Ewropeaidd
2016-06-24T08:31:29 < Shavik> I literally just learned of this. Had no clue they were even talking about leaving. heh
2016-06-24T08:41:43 < Laurenceb__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
2016-06-24T08:41:48 < Laurenceb__> dat scottish border
2016-06-24T08:42:56 < Shavik> https://i.imgur.com/RaDwbFP.gif?1
2016-06-24T08:43:45 < Laurenceb__> lul
2016-06-24T08:45:49 < Shavik> Nothing like doing pcb rework running on battery backups because the power just wentout
2016-06-24T08:45:52 < Shavik> gogo  storms
2016-06-24T08:46:04 < Shavik> coming a flood
2016-06-24T08:48:42 < Shavik> https://www.wunderground.com/weather-radar/united-states/tn/nashville/ohx/?region=bwg
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2016-06-24T08:49:44 < Shavik> I've never been to or ordered anything from harbor freight
2016-06-24T08:49:49 < Shavik> is it a store or just online stuff?
2016-06-24T08:50:27 < Shavik> Like around here if you want stuff like that, you go to "Tractor Supply" or your local Co-Op
2016-06-24T08:50:36 < Shavik> I mean I guess you could go to Lowes or Home Depot
2016-06-24T08:50:36 < Shavik> but eh
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2016-06-24T09:24:48 < emeb_mac> how long until UK builds a wall?
2016-06-24T09:25:04 < Laurenceb__> we just flood the tunnel
2016-06-24T09:26:11 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb__: And when Scotland votes independence you can build Hadrian's wall up too.
2016-06-24T09:27:37 < emeb_mac> right - france and dutchland predicted to leave next
2016-06-24T09:27:53 < emeb_mac> spain and greece too
2016-06-24T09:28:01 < emeb_mac> boom - up in smoke
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2016-06-24T09:59:29 < jadew> did you guys find a page with a breakdown of the voting results?
2016-06-24T10:00:16 < knielsen> http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results
2016-06-24T10:02:42 < jadew> looks like my prediction came true
2016-06-24T10:04:30 < jadew> thanks knielsen
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2016-06-24T10:05:21 < jadew> http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36611512
2016-06-24T10:05:22 < jadew> lol
2016-06-24T10:05:53 < jadew> I guess they didn't see that coming
2016-06-24T10:07:24 < jadew> it's gonna cost the government a lot, because they're probably already buying like crazy, to keep it steady
2016-06-24T10:08:44 < stukdev> go down £
2016-06-24T10:09:41 < jadew> this is goind to be very very expensive
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2016-06-24T10:15:41 < jadew> I see they're calling for David Cameron's resignation now
2016-06-24T10:15:50 < jadew> it would be a smart move on his part if he did that
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2016-06-24T10:25:00 < anton02> i know literally nothing about european politics. Why is it so amazing that UK voted for that guy named brexit?
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2016-06-24T10:28:58 < dongs> sup dongs
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2016-06-24T10:31:27 < anton02> so a bit like trump
2016-06-24T10:31:37 < dongs> wat we got here>
2016-06-24T10:31:42 < dongs> autism in progress?
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2016-06-24T10:44:09 < Ecco> Should I consider USB-C connector for new designs?
2016-06-24T10:44:19 < Ecco> Or would Micro-USB be a better plan?
2016-06-24T10:48:16 < Laurenceb__> https://media2.8ch.net/pol/thumb/1466749775976.jpg
2016-06-24T10:49:16 < Laurenceb__> nope
2016-06-24T10:49:19 < Laurenceb__> I wish
2016-06-24T10:50:40 < Laurenceb__> I dunno, it works and is hard to fry
2016-06-24T10:50:59 < dongs> Laurenceb__: how does it feel to be leaving EU
2016-06-24T10:51:20 < Laurenceb__> epic
2016-06-24T10:51:23 < dongs> what does laurence/b/ think
2016-06-24T10:51:30 < Laurenceb__> kek wills it
2016-06-24T10:52:02 < dongs> flyback: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2016-06-24T10:52:43 < dongs> > implying hitler was wrong
2016-06-24T10:52:49 < Laurenceb__> top kek
2016-06-24T10:53:24 < Laurenceb__> >/leftypol/
2016-06-24T10:53:30 < dongs> damn my LTE is faster than this shitty hotel wifi
2016-06-24T10:53:41 < dongs> and certainly a shitload less laggy
2016-06-24T10:53:45 < Laurenceb__> gas the GSM, protocol war now
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2016-06-24T10:55:01 < Laurenceb__> saywut
2016-06-24T10:55:14 < anton02> for some reason enabling a timer in cubemx but not actually using it is making my code stop working
2016-06-24T10:55:25 < Laurenceb__> wow someone said something on topic
2016-06-24T10:56:10 < anton02> i just ticked the box 'enable timer' but then did nothing else and my old code has stopped working
2016-06-24T10:56:32 < Laurenceb__> cuz thats all I ever do
2016-06-24T10:57:27 < anton02> okay it might look a bit hectic though
2016-06-24T10:59:44 < Laurenceb__> https://media2.8ch.net/pol/src/1466753632545.jpg
2016-06-24T10:59:47 < Laurenceb__> the UN
2016-06-24T10:59:59 < anton02> oh, i found the problem
2016-06-24T11:00:35 < Ecco> I still haven't figured out what the "Device Feature" thing is
2016-06-24T11:00:43 < Ecco> it lives at address 0xFFFF0000
2016-06-24T11:00:58 < Ecco> And it's actually just 4 bytes
2016-06-24T11:01:10 < Ecco> I couldn't find any document explaining what it is
2016-06-24T11:02:16 < Ecco> You can see it reported here, for example :
2016-06-24T11:02:17 < Ecco> https://github.com/Stefan-Schmidt/dfu-util/blob/fdc72a8a738994dc72cfd63ff08f690e5145277e/device-logs/stm32f4discovery.lsusb
2016-06-24T11:05:56 < Ecco> STM32F401
2016-06-24T11:09:01 < mitrax_> Ecco: AN2606 page 29
2016-06-24T11:09:49 < Ecco> damn!
2016-06-24T11:09:52 < Ecco> thanks mitrax_ !!!!!
2016-06-24T11:10:17 < Ecco> Also while I'm at it
2016-06-24T11:10:27 < mitrax_> np :)
2016-06-24T11:10:32 < Ecco> When in DFU mode, the STM32 reports a bunch of memory regions
2016-06-24T11:10:38 < Ecco> (like in the link I pasted)
2016-06-24T11:11:00 < Ecco> Is that just an indication (so that you can write a generic code that can handle a bunch of STM32 devices)
2016-06-24T11:11:14 < Ecco> or does that mean that these are the only memory adresses I can read/write?
2016-06-24T11:12:34 < Laurenceb__> https://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9285503&cid=52379049
2016-06-24T11:13:30 < dongs> RIP ivan reedman + zano
2016-06-24T11:13:37 < dongs> thanks to GB collapse
2016-06-24T11:13:59 < Laurenceb__> lulwut
2016-06-24T11:14:16 < Laurenceb__> wait is he trying to resurrect zano?
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2016-06-24T11:39:19 < anton02> in my code i have these static void MX_DMA_Init(void);
2016-06-24T11:39:20 < anton02> static void MX_TIM6_Init(void);
2016-06-24T11:39:42 < anton02> also   MX_GPIO_Init();
2016-06-24T11:39:42 < anton02>   MX_DMA_Init();
2016-06-24T11:39:42 < anton02>   MX_TIM6_Init();
2016-06-24T11:39:59 < anton02> and TIM_HandleTypeDef htim6;
2016-06-24T11:39:59 < anton02> DMA_HandleTypeDef hdma_tim6_up;
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2016-06-24T11:48:23 < anton02> lol at this warning https://www.element14.com/community/thread/44898/l/stm32f7-spi-dma-example-with-hal-libraries?displayFullThread=true
2016-06-24T11:49:41 < anton02> "o i guess no one ?
2016-06-24T11:49:41 < anton02> This is expected, sine ST reduced community to a handful of active members, good job Good way to kill this microprocessor line "
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2016-06-24T11:51:46 < qyx> ops, my lifepo4 may be unhappy http://i.imgur.com/Sw5uZZP.png
2016-06-24T11:52:00 < Ecco> qyx: gnuplot?
2016-06-24T11:52:21 < qyx> yes
2016-06-24T11:53:08 < Ecco> :-D
2016-06-24T11:53:33 < qyx> thats not the point
2016-06-24T11:53:48 < OneSploit> Anyone using gcc arm none eabi from Debian packages ?
2016-06-24T11:53:56 < qyx> the point is that I accidentally feed 5.2V into the cell
2016-06-24T11:54:26 < qyx> OneSploit: i tried once, switched to the one from launchpad
2016-06-24T11:56:01 < anton02> could someone please finish enabling DMA here. I already ticked enable timer6 and DMA memory-> peripheral in Cube32mx. under the line 'set colors here' i just want that to happen via DMA. http://ideone.com/yQMXz2
2016-06-24T11:57:06 < OneSploit> ohsix, about newlib it seems it's compiled with softfp at least that's what my compiler complains about
2016-06-24T11:58:50 < OneSploit> ELF uses VFP register arguments, /usr/lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.9.3/../../../arm-none-eabi/lib/libg_nano.a(lib_a-nano-msizer.o) does not
2016-06-24T12:00:40 < OneSploit> ok so something with my eclipse settings, thanks...
2016-06-24T12:01:29 < anton02> ohsix, it's working. just haven't got DMA happening yet. i guess i would need to specify a memory address for it to read from to write to GPIO or something like that.
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2016-06-24T12:05:00 < anton02> where about inside that folder is the help file?
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2016-06-24T12:06:03 < PeterM> qyx, its not liek you ran it all the way down to 0v jsut before that or anything either
2016-06-24T12:08:55 < OneSploit> ohsix, I use -mcpu=cortex-m7 -march=armv7-m -mthumb -mfloat-abi=hard -mfpu=fpv5-sp-d16 even though linker complains.. so I am not sure why...
2016-06-24T12:09:16 < OneSploit> also I followed step by step this link http://www.carminenoviello.com/2016/01/22/getting-started-stm32-nucleo-f746zg/
2016-06-24T12:09:53 < OneSploit> if you have a suggestion where to look at to fix this problem, would be nice... otherwise I will keep trying
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2016-06-24T12:10:42 < qyx> PeterM: meh, true
2016-06-24T12:23:30 < OneSploit> stackoverflow solved the issue http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23123431/arm-linking-error-uses-vfp-register-arguments-main-elf-does-not-on-windows-8
2016-06-24T12:23:31 < anton02> ohsix, there's no file in there
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2016-06-24T12:36:08 < anton02> what does this 'IT' mean in this HAL function HAL_DMA_Start_IT
2016-06-24T12:36:44 < Fleck> interrupt usually imo
2016-06-24T12:36:59 < anton02> interrupt timer maybe
2016-06-24T12:38:59 < anton02> is a 'buffer' the name they give to the memory source location that DMA is copying from
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2016-06-24T12:49:00 < anton02> so I just read the source files?
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2016-06-24T12:52:16 < anton02> nah there isn't, i guess ill download the f4 files since its probably compatible
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2016-06-24T12:52:58 < Fleck> there are
2016-06-24T12:55:45 < Fleck> ahh, sorry, L4, nevermind ;D
2016-06-24T12:56:45 < anton02> how are they able to do DMA here without use of a hardware timer? http://ideone.com/J7VeQj
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2016-06-24T12:59:14 < Steffanx> Anton02, we are in need of something qouteworthy
2016-06-24T12:59:23 < Steffanx> Quote*
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2016-06-24T13:04:11 < anton02> i wish i could easily mod that code to go from memory->GPIO instead of memory->memory
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2016-06-24T13:05:39 < karlp> anton02: why would it need a timer?
2016-06-24T13:07:07 < ReadError> hi im 13
2016-06-24T13:09:04 < anton02> karlp, it uses a timer to determine when to perform its copy operations
2016-06-24T13:15:47 < PeterM> ReadError, im 12 and what is this
2016-06-24T13:16:01 < ReadError> i think i need an adult
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2016-06-24T13:24:27 < karlp> anton02: what makes you think that?
2016-06-24T13:24:46 < karlp> it uses a timer to blink the led, but it just uses the hal timer systick shit for that.
2016-06-24T13:26:15 < anton02> <ohsix> anton02: you use a timer
2016-06-24T13:30:05 < karlp> I can't help with that
2016-06-24T13:30:18 < karlp> but why should dma need a hardware timer to transfer?
2016-06-24T13:30:25 < karlp> and clearly, no timer is used in that example you pasted.
2016-06-24T13:30:31 < anton02> so it knows with what frequency to transfer. i.e. every 10ms
2016-06-24T13:30:41 < karlp> you can set up dma to do that,
2016-06-24T13:30:49 < karlp> but that's not what the example you gave is doing.
2016-06-24T13:31:09 < karlp> often you just want it to transfer the data as fast as it can.
2016-06-24T13:31:40 < anton02> oh, that's all i wanted to know
2016-06-24T13:49:34 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/pC1BaGs.png
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2016-06-24T15:00:48 < ReadError> damn so the UK is leaving the EU
2016-06-24T15:01:14 < ReadError> ole cunt david cameron is leaving too so guess thats a win
2016-06-24T15:02:03 < jpa-> but no idea whether they'll leave EEA
2016-06-24T15:02:09 < jpa-> if not, what does it even matter?
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2016-06-24T15:17:24 < anton02> how do people even find out about functions like HAL_TIM_PWM_Start_DMA
2016-06-24T15:17:45 < PaulFertser> Aren't you Europe folks afraid of loosing your jobs after the talent and cheap workers from Turkey come?
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2016-06-24T15:18:01 < anton02> pls spell lose properly
2016-06-24T15:18:43 < PaulFertser> anton02: if you decide to use the shitlibraries from ST, just damn read the source, headers and .c files, and the datasheet.
2016-06-24T15:19:44 < PaulFertser> anton02: why should I? Who cares about spelling on this dongschannel?
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2016-06-24T15:20:10 < anton02> every time i read words i read them the way they're meant to be so it fucks me up
2016-06-24T15:20:49 < PeterM> dicks in and aroudn oyur mouth
2016-06-24T15:20:50 < PaulFertser> anton02: how do you read "read" in past tense then? It sounds like "red" but looks like reed.
2016-06-24T15:21:26 < anton02> i dont know tbh
2016-06-24T15:21:41 < anton02>  it hasn't caused issues though
2016-06-24T15:24:11 < PaulFertser> anton02: with stm32 you need to read the reference manual a lot no matter what library you're using. And it's often you read something in the RM, find the name of a register that does the thing you want, then grep the library sources to see what it has to offer wrt that register.
2016-06-24T15:31:04 < anton02> its strange that there's no actual documentation for the library
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2016-06-24T15:37:45 < PaulFertser> anton02: in the stdperiph shitlibrary there were some doxygen comments so one could generate some documentation, not always correct though. Isn't cubemx about the same?
2016-06-24T15:41:55 < anton02> there's some chm files but i cant get them to work
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2016-06-24T15:50:38 < Steffanx> Mr. Good old crt.
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2016-06-24T15:55:44 < anton02> i remember that happening with a couple of my crt TVs. how come they do that
2016-06-24T15:58:38 < Steffanx> I loved the degauss function of my crt
2016-06-24T15:58:57 < Steffanx> Nice function to scare the unaware.
2016-06-24T16:00:02 < anton02> i used xchm and now i can see stuff
2016-06-24T16:00:05 < Steffanx> No. Its scrapped.
2016-06-24T16:00:24 < Steffanx> Now i have you crt.
2016-06-24T16:00:32 < anton02> they are radiation emitters
2016-06-24T16:00:42 < anton02> x-rays
2016-06-24T16:00:59 < anton02> not healthy
2016-06-24T16:07:22 < anton02> what did they mean by this https://i.4cdn.org/b/1466766830062.jpg
2016-06-24T16:09:47 < Steffanx> No clue. As EU is not saved.
2016-06-24T16:10:25 < Steffanx> Also giving the US allcthe credit for winning wwii ....
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2016-06-24T16:13:55 < Steffanx> Where is mr anton02 from?
2016-06-24T16:14:58 < anton02> same as crt
2016-06-24T16:15:32 < Steffanx> Aj.
2016-06-24T16:16:07 < Steffanx> Section aussielanders?
2016-06-24T16:18:31 < Lux> is there any reason why you need 510 ohms on boot0 to gnd for a stm32f0
2016-06-24T16:18:55 < Lux> i just did a board with 10k to gnd and it seems like there are 0.6V on that pin now
2016-06-24T16:19:09 < Lux> was just wondering if there is anything special internally
2016-06-24T16:27:07 < kakimir> dem fukkers send me ntsc fpv camera
2016-06-24T16:27:14 < kakimir> it means less resolution
2016-06-24T16:27:59 < englishman> it means higher framerate
2016-06-24T16:28:13 < englishman> but they are rather silly to send ntsc cam to .fi
2016-06-24T16:28:36 < kakimir> anyway.. who even uses video system locked devices nowdays
2016-06-24T16:28:43 < kakimir> it's all switchable
2016-06-24T16:29:05 < kakimir> camera is suprisingly shit video quality
2016-06-24T16:29:15 < kakimir> not definitelly HD
2016-06-24T16:29:39 < englishman> wat
2016-06-24T16:29:45 < englishman> of course not
2016-06-24T16:30:33 < englishman> Lux: in data sheet?
2016-06-24T16:30:47 < kakimir> it's not even anything close what PAL television was
2016-06-24T16:31:19 < Lux> in the discovery schematic they use 510 ohms
2016-06-24T16:31:30 < kakimir> I need to check if this has like.. focus ring
2016-06-24T16:31:47 < Lux> i just figured it out why i can't flash it... the flash is empty and then it defaults to the bootloader
2016-06-24T16:31:51 < englishman> which shitty cam did you buy kakimir
2016-06-24T16:31:59 < Lux> so i need the reset when i program it the first time
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2016-06-24T16:32:18 < englishman> Lux: I have 10k on some stuff works fine, never looked into it
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2016-06-24T16:33:00 < kakimir> runcam owl
2016-06-24T16:33:03 < kakimir> but ye
2016-06-24T16:33:07 < kakimir> it's like nite camera
2016-06-24T16:33:25 < englishman> that cam should be ok
2016-06-24T16:33:36 < englishman> just loosen lens and turn it to focus
2016-06-24T16:34:07 < Lux> On STM32F03x and STM32F09x devices only, internal empty check flag is implemented to
2016-06-24T16:34:08 < Lux> allow easy programming of the virgin devices by the boot loader.
2016-06-24T16:34:10 < englishman> but they are typically fine out of the box, for focusing on 25ft+
2016-06-24T16:34:16 < Lux> that's what fucked it up
2016-06-24T16:34:22 < englishman> hm
2016-06-24T16:34:28 < Lux> that flag ignores boot0
2016-06-24T16:34:40 < englishman> ok I'm not using one of those
2016-06-24T16:34:51 < englishman> that seems handy
2016-06-24T16:35:15 < Lux> definetly useful for initial flashing
2016-06-24T16:35:30 < englishman> but if it ignores boot 0 why would pulldown strength make a difference
2016-06-24T16:35:49 < kakimir> englishman: it seems solid
2016-06-24T16:36:36 < Lux> it doesn't
2016-06-24T16:37:41 < Lux> i can say for sure once i flashed that f031 board
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2016-06-24T16:53:17 < kakimir> I think that bad usb hub plays part in bad video quality
2016-06-24T16:53:31 < kakimir> it has corruption to image
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2016-06-24T16:53:49 < kakimir> I ordered direct cable because I'm lazy
2016-06-24T16:53:56 < kakimir> *straight
2016-06-24T16:56:05 < Shavik> Opinions on which is easier to program my new stm32 design. My stand alone STLinkV2 programmer or the stlinkV2.1 on the nucleo?
2016-06-24T16:56:59 < Shavik> I was thinking about trying to use the dedicated StLinkV2 so I wouldn't have to make any mods to my dev nucleo boards
2016-06-24T16:57:03 < englishman> standalone
2016-06-24T16:57:29 < englishman> why would you use the one on nucleo if you already have the standalone?
2016-06-24T16:57:55 < Shavik> I use VisualGDB with VS2015 for my IDE. I saw where it had a setting for this programmer so I might give a try first. just didn't know what the general concensus was on a good way to do this.
2016-06-24T16:58:24 < Shavik> I guess the Nucleo one is v2.1? where the standalone is v2. Wasn't aware of any difference but I guess if it programs it, then it doesn't really matter
2016-06-24T16:59:50 < englishman> Think the only difference is the serial pass thru and a bit of emulated fat filesystem?
2016-06-24T17:01:24 < Shavik> Ah yea I don't care about the file system
2016-06-24T17:03:43 < karlp> why would you need mods on your nucleo board? you just take off the jumpers
2016-06-24T17:04:03 < karlp> it's more, "what connector did you put on your own board, 6 pin stlink, or 20 pin arm jtag?"
2016-06-24T17:04:29 < ReadError> i break the stlink off the nucleo
2016-06-24T17:04:35 < ReadError> cuz the 6pin is easier
2016-06-24T17:04:53 < Shavik> https://gyazo.com/ecac587f7c865f4a5c2fb54459b3b2f3 Is what I put. 6 pin. TMS == SWDIO and TCK == SWCLK
2016-06-24T17:05:31 < ReadError> hmm i dont think that order looks right
2016-06-24T17:05:40 < Shavik> Yea I was planning on custom wiring it up
2016-06-24T17:06:04 < Shavik> I was gonna use M->F jumper wires to connect it to the 20 pin jtag ribbon on my stlink
2016-06-24T17:06:25 < Shavik> or F->F wires  directly to the 20pin male header on the stlink itself
2016-06-24T17:07:08 < Shavik> https://gyazo.com/c891ab754d5355524ef849dd1253cf4a  My first STM32 design so I'm sure there are lots of things I've done "wrong"
2016-06-24T17:07:49 < Shavik> http://imgur.com/a/8hmuE  already had to cut my 3.3v supply to my speaker amp and add a 1.8v regulator
2016-06-24T17:07:56 < Shavik> luckily it's 3.3v tolerant on all pins
2016-06-24T17:07:57 < Shavik> heh
2016-06-24T17:10:09 < Lux> englishman: just confirmed, 10k works for the pulldown on boot0
2016-06-24T17:10:23 < Lux> and after having something in the flash it stops loading the bootloader
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2016-06-24T17:23:43 < Shavik> On my board, I have a 3.3V reg that nominally accepts 5V which I plan to inject appropriately, But my question is about the programmed attached to the 3.3V. The programmer won't try to power the target via that right, it's just used to sense target voltage?
2016-06-24T17:24:02 < Shavik> Didn't know if I should follow a certain sequence, like external power before programmer, etc
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2016-06-24T17:28:33 < karlp> Shavik: if you're going to use a 6 pin header, why on earth would you make it not the same order as the 6 pin header on discovery boards and nucleos?!
2016-06-24T17:28:46 < Shavik> Because that was an oversight
2016-06-24T17:28:53 < Shavik> It'll be fixed on the final run
2016-06-24T17:28:58 < Shavik> This is why we do prototypes...
2016-06-24T17:28:59 < Shavik> :)
2016-06-24T17:29:15 < karlp> also, if you're using 6 pin, then yeah, I'd find us-ing a disco/nucleo board as more comfortable than using the standalone stlink
2016-06-24T17:29:34 < karlp> though at work we have a little adapter plate that plugs into the 20pin stlink dongle and provides the 6pins
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2016-06-24T17:34:15 < Shavik> yea, karlp I just use these so it's quite easy to connect up whatever pinout http://burak.ozhan.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/7a.jpg
2016-06-24T17:34:38 < Shavik> Can tear off how many ever you need to make a ribbon but since the ends are still individuals you can customize the pinout
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2016-06-24T17:41:54 < karlp> yes, but I think you and I have different ideas of "quite easy"
2016-06-24T17:42:48 < karlp> so, what do these new "LL" apis from st look like?
2016-06-24T17:42:51 < karlp> less aids than HAL?
2016-06-24T17:43:09 < karlp> he LL APIs are MISRA-C 2004 compliant with a few exceptions that are fully listed and explained. They have been checked using Grammatech CodeSonar for optimum code quality and reliability.
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2016-06-24T17:54:55 < englishman> Lux: i wonder why ref design has such strong pulldown then
2016-06-24T17:56:48 < Lux> i have no idea
2016-06-24T17:58:04 < englishman> looks like boot0 has schmitt trigger
2016-06-24T17:58:20 < englishman> with 300mV hysteresis around ~.25vdd
2016-06-24T17:58:25 < englishman> so .6 ish volts
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2016-06-24T18:22:36 < Thorn> does cc26xx support swd at all?
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2016-06-24T18:26:12 < Thorn> apparently not but there is SWV anyway
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2016-06-24T18:32:35 < Rob235> hi
2016-06-24T18:32:47 < jpa-> hi Rob235
2016-06-24T18:32:54 < Rob235> hows it going
2016-06-24T18:34:03 < jpa-> midsummer, so lots of people celebrating outdoors and i'm hiding indoors
2016-06-24T18:34:26 < karlp> Thorn: looks like they have "cJTAG" which they claim is an ieee standard,
2016-06-24T18:34:32 < karlp> weather any better there jpa?
2016-06-24T18:34:49 < karlp> bit grey and dreary here, meant to be goign to a hoegaarden summer party tonight
2016-06-24T18:35:01 < jpa-> great, if somewhat hot at 22°C
2016-06-24T18:35:42 < Rob235> 22 here also
2016-06-24T18:35:45 < BrainDamage> >22°C >hot
2016-06-24T18:35:56 < BrainDamage> 33°C standing air temp, 37°C with humidex, DO NOT WANT
2016-06-24T18:40:16 < karlp> only 11°C here today :|
2016-06-24T18:41:55 < Thorn> > I was mistakenly assuming that SWD was the same thing as cJTAG. They use the same pins but it seems the protocols differ.
2016-06-24T18:42:08 < Thorn> >Even though the SW-DP interface is supported by SWJ-DP, the CC26xx family does not use this mode. The key reason is that SW-DP becomes redundant for the design in the presence of the 2- pin JTAG (1149.7) mode.
2016-06-24T18:42:21 < Thorn> >becomes redundant
2016-06-24T18:43:08 < Thorn> they also have 2 asscheeks which are redundant
2016-06-24T18:44:07 < jpa-> sounds like TI
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2016-06-24T18:46:51 < Thorn> to add insult to injury, their own XDS110 does not support this cjtag thing
2016-06-24T18:47:56 < englishman> >lives in country that has 'ice' in its name
2016-06-24T18:48:00 < englishman> >complains about mild coldness
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2016-06-24T18:54:50 < karlp> it's the middle of summer dude.
2016-06-24T18:54:59 < karlp> at least I'm not complaining about stinky euro people .)
2016-06-24T18:55:07 < englishman> im with you on that brother
2016-06-24T18:55:38 < karlp> Thorn: yeah, ti's always been "fun" with jtag. cjtag only got ratified at ieee in 2009
2016-06-24T18:55:46 < karlp> probably as part of some "we hate arm" argument
2016-06-24T18:56:06 < karlp> that cc2650 TRM is the first clear description of icepick and cjtag I've seen though
2016-06-24T18:57:39 < Thorn> looking at it now. at least it seems more clear than ARM swd/dp docs
2016-06-24T18:58:25 < Laurenceb__> come on roll up, test your lunatic drives http://cannae.com/cannae-now-offers-thruster-testing-services/
2016-06-24T18:58:47 < englishman> cool
2016-06-24T18:58:51 < englishman> what a great way to take money from idiots
2016-06-24T18:58:59 < englishman> instead of just sitting back and lol
2016-06-24T18:59:07 < englishman> why didnt you think of that Laurenceb__
2016-06-24T18:59:18 < Laurenceb__> yeah I suck at business plans lol
2016-06-24T18:59:33 < Laurenceb__>  "in a gold rush, sell shovels"
2016-06-24T18:59:54 < englishman> stock up on french wine and cheese
2016-06-24T18:59:57 < englishman> before teh tunnel collapses
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2016-06-24T19:21:25 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: your feelings right after brexit vote count?
2016-06-24T19:22:12 < kakimir> nanonewton measurements :o
2016-06-24T19:22:19 < Laurenceb__> http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160624103400-leave-eu-referendum-supporters-0624-03-super-tease.jpg
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2016-06-24T19:22:47 < kakimir> happy fellas
2016-06-24T19:23:40 < kakimir> just ordered 250dollars worth powder coats
2016-06-24T19:23:51 < kakimir> better make that oven work
2016-06-24T19:24:08 < kakimir> not that I have invested 10times that totally in stuff related
2016-06-24T19:24:29 < Laurenceb__> I've tried powder coating once
2016-06-24T19:24:39 < Laurenceb__> seemed to work very well given my n00b skills
2016-06-24T19:24:52 < kakimir> it's totally no skill required
2016-06-24T19:25:12 < kakimir> just make sure surface is clean and good
2016-06-24T19:25:20 < kakimir> coat and bake
2016-06-24T19:26:34 < kakimir> I think I need some acids
2016-06-24T19:26:40 < kakimir> so I can set up proper baths
2016-06-24T19:28:01 < kakimir> phosporic acid and nitric acid
2016-06-24T19:28:37 < kakimir> at least in industry they bath and rinse in stuff like that
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2016-06-24T19:34:01 < Laurenceb__> I just wire brushed
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2016-06-24T19:43:16 < kakimir> well better use cleaner/acetone
2016-06-24T19:43:34 < kakimir> I don't know why they use acids in industry
2016-06-24T19:43:41 < kakimir> propably inexpensive
2016-06-24T19:44:14 < kakimir> does acids have better effect than acetone?
2016-06-24T19:44:34 < kakimir> maybe it has something to do with removing oxide layers
2016-06-24T19:49:47 < Laurenceb__> https://i.sli.mg/aKio6K.jpg
2016-06-24T19:50:00 < Laurenceb__> acids etch the surface, yes
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2016-06-24T20:00:28 < Steffanx> kakimir does this all for the hobby bobby?
2016-06-24T20:01:37 < kakimir> I need to make money with it of course
2016-06-24T20:04:20 < Steffanx> ach so.
2016-06-24T20:05:11 < kakimir> my friend has tyre business soon
2016-06-24T20:05:11 < emeb> lol - "The British are frantically Googling what the E.U. is, hours after voting to leave it.  Google search history suggests many Britons had little idea what they were voting for"
2016-06-24T20:05:38 < kakimir> at least there would be some "grunt" to do but not great profit there
2016-06-24T20:05:50 < emeb> voting has consequences, m-kay?
2016-06-24T20:06:13 < kakimir> :D
2016-06-24T20:06:53 < kakimir> that's like googling one day too late
2016-06-24T20:07:52 < Steffanx> not really. When you have to google a day before something semi-important as this you should not vote at all.
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2016-06-24T20:08:49 < mitrax_> bah ... did it occur to the article author that it could be kids looking that up?
2016-06-24T20:09:32 < kakimir> Steffanx: what does the peasant even know about EU?
2016-06-24T20:09:42 < kakimir> even after reading wikipedia article
2016-06-24T20:10:02 < kakimir> really just scrach of basics
2016-06-24T20:10:20 < Steffanx> probably not much, hence: "should not vote at all".
2016-06-24T20:11:06 < emeb> but GWB said "go with your gut" - you mean that doesn't always work?
2016-06-24T20:11:55 < kakimir> gutt feeling is the shit
2016-06-24T20:21:36 < OneSploit> Hi all, I have a question, I am trying to play with SPI talking to MPU9250 using F7 Nucleo board, and it seems to be replying correct value 0x71 but according to logic analyzer CS pin goes low after SDA shows something... which is very wrong. Anyone knows what could be the cause of it?
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2016-06-24T20:36:47 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDgPXcydwow quality doc about sr71
2016-06-24T20:39:17 < kakimir> how is those overlays with information about pitch and tilt angles and height is added to fpv video?
2016-06-24T20:39:27 < kakimir> some device?
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2016-06-24T20:50:28 < kakimir> is there any high amperage lipo protection switches widelly available?
2016-06-24T20:50:52 < kakimir> UVLO
2016-06-24T20:55:09 < kakimir> better make one
2016-06-24T20:55:58 < PeterM> kakimir, i think what you're referring to is a device that came about in the early 1960s that is widely popularized today
2016-06-24T20:56:03 < dongs> found englishman's channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwZwSIrMLmk
2016-06-24T20:56:05 < PeterM> i think its called a...
2016-06-24T20:56:11 < englishman> dongs: so old
2016-06-24T20:56:12 < PeterM> moistfeet?
2016-06-24T20:56:14 < englishman> kid already arrested
2016-06-24T20:56:26 < PeterM> no... mossy fret
2016-06-24T20:56:27 < englishman> he did a hit+run thats why his front wheel is fucked
2016-06-24T20:56:35 < PeterM> no. MOSFET
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2016-06-24T20:57:23 < kakimir> moss fett wont do it itself
2016-06-24T20:57:29 < kakimir> it need comparator with reference
2016-06-24T20:58:20 < PeterM> or you just get a low amperage one and use it to drive a mosfet...
2016-06-24T20:58:31 < PeterM> because thats what a non-retarded person would do
2016-06-24T20:59:01 < kakimir> I don't even find one
2016-06-24T20:59:19 < PeterM> have you ever used google?
2016-06-24T20:59:25 < PeterM> its this amazing thing
2016-06-24T20:59:33 < dongs> this is autismir we're talkin with
2016-06-24T20:59:42 < dongs> he'd probably get advice from ohsix before turning to google
2016-06-24T20:59:55 < PeterM> you type in words and it searches this thing called the internet which is mainly porn and autism but occasionally has information
2016-06-24T21:00:11 < PeterM> you can probably find some in there
2016-06-24T21:01:07 < kakimir> I only find some "instructables"
2016-06-24T21:01:30 < PeterM> have you ever like... bought electronic compopnents online?
2016-06-24T21:01:40 < kakimir> sure
2016-06-24T21:01:41 < dongs> better pay to instructables.com membership
2016-06-24T21:01:42 < PeterM> or do you jsut pull apart old tvs
2016-06-24T21:01:46 < dongs> so you can download it as a single pdf
2016-06-24T21:01:54 < PeterM> where do you buy them from?
2016-06-24T21:02:13 < kakimir> that was the question.. do I need to create my own OVLO switch
2016-06-24T21:02:39 < PeterM> the answerr is NO and yo could have fuckin found it if you used google
2016-06-24T21:04:01 < kakimir> okay found it
2016-06-24T21:04:14 < kakimir> "Protection Circuit Module PCM"
2016-06-24T21:06:29 < dongs> http://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXNIKKEI%3ANI225&ei=_HVtV5iqGceN0gSZrLyoCA
2016-06-24T21:06:32 < dongs> lol brexit
2016-06-24T21:07:18 < kakimir> if I ask something stupid it means I need a name of thing to google
2016-06-24T21:07:29 < kakimir> and I'm actually asking the name of thing
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2016-06-24T21:11:39 < kakimir> dongs: what does that going down graph actually mean?
2016-06-24T21:12:00 < dongs> it means japshit stocks took a 8% dive for ~reasons~
2016-06-24T21:15:16 < kakimir> japs die because of dis
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2016-06-24T21:20:14 < kakimir> secret agenda behind brexit
2016-06-24T21:23:00 < kakimir> well these protection circuits are like starting from usd6
2016-06-24T21:23:06 < kakimir> so better make my one
2016-06-24T21:23:08 < kakimir> own
2016-06-24T21:25:55 < kakimir>  http://www.ebay.com/itm/18V-Makita-Drill-Battery-PCM-PCB-Li-ion-Protection-Circuit-Module-DIY-18650-cell-/221539762612 what did I found.. almost complete BMS
2016-06-24T21:26:30 < kakimir> complete battery protection
2016-06-24T21:26:46 < kakimir> just lacks balancer to be a bomb
2016-06-24T21:26:56 < kakimir> *the
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2016-06-24T22:17:10 < Laurenceb__> The term, Internet of Things (or IoT), is everywhere. For people wanting to impress others, it’s the latest buzzword to include in a conversation in order to be seen as relevant.
2016-06-24T22:17:19 < Laurenceb__> lul first spam email that was actually accurate
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2016-06-24T22:27:30 < englishman> how is Internet of Horses going
2016-06-24T22:27:57 < englishman> secret undernet transmitted via coded messages inside equine ecg charts
2016-06-24T22:30:30 < Laurenceb__> lul
2016-06-24T22:31:08 < Rob235> hmm I need a new vape, I'm between 5 though
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2016-06-24T22:49:52 < Laurenceb__> Google noted on Twitter late Thursday that "What is the EU?" was the second top UK question
2016-06-24T22:50:00 < Laurenceb__> how babby formed
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2016-06-24T23:13:23 < dongs> lol
2016-06-24T23:13:43 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/24/google_what_is_eu_post_results_search_surge/ yes this
2016-06-24T23:13:46 < dongs> i lold
2016-06-24T23:13:52 < dongs> thereister delivers
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2016-06-24T23:17:29 < dongs> Londoners are now calling on the city to become independent so that it can stay in the European Union.
2016-06-24T23:17:32 < dongs> haha
2016-06-24T23:17:47 < Laurenceb__> Build a Wall
2016-06-24T23:17:54 < dongs> is that some trump thing
2016-06-24T23:18:04 < Laurenceb__> London will pay for the wall
2016-06-24T23:18:07 < Laurenceb__> https://i.sli.mg/YYn0jP.png
2016-06-24T23:18:32 < dongs> UKIP more like modkip
2016-06-24T23:18:34 < dongs> er mudkip
2016-06-24T23:20:39 < Laurenceb__> No matter what one does to better things -- education, welfare, etc. No matter what efforts are taken, it still always seems that half the population remains below average.
2016-06-24T23:27:23 < dongs> http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/05/08/asia-pacific/offbeat-asia-pacific/forbidden-fruit-china-bans-erotic-banana-eating-live-streams/
2016-06-24T23:29:31 < englishman> lol Laurenceb__
2016-06-24T23:29:33 < englishman> see that was funny
2016-06-24T23:29:47 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/1ar1BfL.jpg
2016-06-24T23:30:08 < dongs> so is this
2016-06-24T23:30:42 < Laurenceb__> liveleak spotted
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2016-06-24T23:38:36 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/JcOiKle.png
2016-06-24T23:38:37 < dongs> lool
2016-06-24T23:38:54 < jadew> lol
2016-06-24T23:42:21 < OneSploit> Before British shotted own feets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8
2016-06-24T23:42:29 < Thorn> why can't I change anything in the cubemx clock config thing
2016-06-24T23:42:48 < Thorn> I can change some things but not the HSE xtal freq for example
2016-06-24T23:42:56 < dongs> thorn, because you didnt choose a crystal in the other tab
2016-06-24T23:43:00 < dongs> under HSE
2016-06-24T23:43:08 < dongs> allocate those pins for a crystal
2016-06-24T23:43:13 < dongs> then you can click betwen HSE/HSI etc
2016-06-24T23:43:28 < dongs> the main pinout tab
2016-06-24T23:45:38 < Thorn> seems to work thanks
2016-06-24T23:45:43 < dongs> yep
2016-06-24T23:59:13 < jadew> wow, didn't know last week tonight was this funny
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2016-06-25T00:00:13 < dongs> autism6?
2016-06-25T00:00:27 < jadew> ffs, just clear your ignore list
2016-06-25T00:00:47 < jadew> he's not active, no
2016-06-25T00:01:14 < dongs> why would you possibly mention unfunny american tv
2016-06-25T00:01:16 < dongs> out of context
2016-06-25T00:01:19 < dongs> if it wasnt for autism>
2016-06-25T00:01:35 < jadew> OneSploit, mentioned it 20 minutes ago
2016-06-25T00:01:39 < dongs> oh
2016-06-25T00:01:40 < dongs> lole
2016-06-25T00:01:41 < jadew> like... 10 lines up
2016-06-25T00:01:41 < dongs> kk
2016-06-25T00:01:45 < dongs> sorry, too stoned
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2016-06-25T00:06:48 < Laurenceb__> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClrqRtRUoAA-cpG.jpg
2016-06-25T00:11:08 < OneSploit> jadew, the show ?
2016-06-25T00:11:16 < jadew> yeah
2016-06-25T00:12:19 < jadew> + they didn't say anything bad about Romania, just that we have vampires
2016-06-25T00:12:35 < OneSploit> vampires are cool
2016-06-25T00:13:01 < jadew> not when you grow up with the real stories
2016-06-25T00:18:51 < jadew> ohsix, yeah, but I didn't check it out
2016-06-25T00:19:56 < Fleck> http://s128.photobucket.com/user/conure58/media/BadBird.jpg.html
2016-06-25T00:22:47 < ReadError> how did u know what i was watching
2016-06-25T00:23:45 < ReadError> https://i.snag.gy/JVLcSf.jpg
2016-06-25T00:23:46 < ReadError> crazy
2016-06-25T00:30:57 < ReadError> yea
2016-06-25T00:35:22 < Laurenceb__> I went to robot wars live
2016-06-25T00:35:29 < Laurenceb__> its was mega underwelming
2016-06-25T00:40:03 < Laurenceb__> lol banned from ##electronics
2016-06-25T00:40:22 < Laurenceb__> for arguing with smeding about agency workers
2016-06-25T00:40:35 < Laurenceb__> I'm a xenophobe and banned
2016-06-25T00:40:53 < Laurenceb__> hes a fascist by definition
2016-06-25T00:41:15 < Laurenceb__> heh he was ranting about Brexit
2016-06-25T00:41:40 < ReadError> smeding:	Laurenceb__: yo, no one cares about your xenophobe bullshit, stop trying to insert it into the discussion
2016-06-25T00:41:40 < Laurenceb__> I pointed out all local food processing plants around me use agency work that isn't advertised in the country
2016-06-25T00:41:50 < Laurenceb__> lul butthurt
2016-06-25T00:42:27 < ReadError> more like they unfunny troll'd you out
2016-06-25T00:42:33 < ReadError> ohsix yea
2016-06-25T00:42:37 < Laurenceb__> so much salt after brexit
2016-06-25T00:45:27 < Laurenceb__> vice is basically on stop up from buzzfeed in lameness
2016-06-25T00:45:54 < Laurenceb__> *one
2016-06-25T00:50:50 < Steffanx> <ohsix> the channel has a topic and a name. lol that argument ohsix
2016-06-25T00:52:12 < Fleck> good argument, you should learn Steffanx
2016-06-25T00:52:32 < Steffanx> Yeah, /ban Fleck :P
2016-06-25T00:53:08 < Fleck> go ahead, would not surpise me
2016-06-25T00:53:24 < Steffanx> Nah, you would probably the last person to deserve that.
2016-06-25T00:53:45 < Fleck> thanks
2016-06-25T01:00:16 < Thorn> what about iscsi
2016-06-25T01:14:11 < Thorn> why are .glue_7 and .glue_7t in my linker script
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2016-06-25T01:22:53 < jadew> anyone familiar with libreoffice calc / openoffice
2016-06-25T01:23:00 < jadew> I can't subtract a freaking number
2016-06-25T01:23:05 < jadew> why is this so hard?
2016-06-25T01:24:54 < Thorn> add the = before the formula
2016-06-25T01:25:10 < jadew> =C80 - 0.25
2016-06-25T01:25:13 < jadew> this is what I'm doing
2016-06-25T01:25:15 < jadew> and it fails
2016-06-25T01:25:37 < Thorn> what locale do you have? you may need 0,25
2016-06-25T01:25:47 < jadew> ah...
2016-06-25T01:25:49 < jadew> freaking stupid
2016-06-25T01:25:58 < jadew> you're right
2016-06-25T01:26:03 < jadew> thanks
2016-06-25T01:27:32 < jadew> changed the locale in the program - it still treats 1.2 as a string
2016-06-25T01:29:53 < jadew> thanks Thorn, the expression works
2016-06-25T01:31:44 < Steffanx> then your locale is still wrong i guess. They copied that crap from excel probably
2016-06-25T01:33:05 < jadew> oh well, I was able to compute what I was looking for
2016-06-25T01:33:13 < jadew> would have been easier to write a program to do it
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2016-06-25T01:33:35 < jadew> I just needed to subtract 0.25 from a bunch of values
2016-06-25T01:43:46 < Laurenceb__> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4b1_1466795087
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2016-06-25T02:04:50 < Laurenceb__> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLkYSQ8UMAEajbZ.jpg
2016-06-25T02:06:00 < englishman> back to awful humour
2016-06-25T02:07:05 < Laurenceb__> its funny cuz it was from something awful
2016-06-25T02:07:25 < Laurenceb__> nope we're still cucked
2016-06-25T02:07:54 < Steffanx> rude what ohsix?
2016-06-25T02:09:07 < Laurenceb__> lunix
2016-06-25T02:09:16 < Laurenceb__> windoze 10 is awesome
2016-06-25T02:09:16 < Steffanx> what where ohsix?
2016-06-25T02:09:29 < Laurenceb__> ^my dongs impression
2016-06-25T02:11:11 < Steffanx> you two shouldnt be so overly obsessed with each other.. mr six and d.
2016-06-25T02:12:08 < Steffanx> lol i hope that's a joke.
2016-06-25T02:13:15 < Steffanx> let me rephrase: lol, that must be a joke
2016-06-25T02:16:28 < Steffanx> the entire video is..
2016-06-25T02:22:48 < jadew> Program Memory Usage 	:	8192 bytes   100.0 % Full
2016-06-25T02:23:14 < jadew> I had to remove 2 bytes worth of stuff to make it fit
2016-06-25T02:23:39 < jadew> now it's time for improvement! :D
2016-06-25T02:24:24 < jadew> it's an AVR
2016-06-25T02:24:28 < jadew> that's all it takes
2016-06-25T02:25:00 < jadew> ah, and I know why this is happening
2016-06-25T02:25:30 < jadew> hmm, I may be able to make room for more stuff
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2016-06-25T02:29:08 < Laurenceb__> MGTOW: tucking your cock between your legs, telling women to piss off forever and running home to die a virgin.
2016-06-25T02:29:12 < Laurenceb__>  /b/ is never wrong
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2016-06-25T02:29:42 < timemob> hello stoners
2016-06-25T02:29:53 < timemob> this in-flight WiFi thing is pretty cool
2016-06-25T02:30:05 < Laurenceb__> snakes on a plane
2016-06-25T02:30:15 < Laurenceb__> sup NSA, timemob is ISIS
2016-06-25T02:30:41 < timemob> lo
2016-06-25T02:30:46 < timemob> <timemob> hello stoners
2016-06-25T02:30:46 < timemob> <ohsix> bsdl
2016-06-25T02:30:46 < timemob> <timemob> this in-flight WiFi thing is pretty cool
2016-06-25T02:30:46 < timemob> <Laurenceb__> snakes on a plane
2016-06-25T02:30:46 < timemob> Added ohsix to ignore list
2016-06-25T02:30:47 < timemob> <Laurenceb__> sup NSA, timemob is ISIS
2016-06-25T02:32:16 < Laurenceb__> top trollin
2016-06-25T02:33:25 < timemob> yep
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2016-06-25T02:41:40 < timemob> crt what's pumping
2016-06-25T02:44:48 < Steffanx> fancy
2016-06-25T02:45:06 < Steffanx> all done in keil much?
2016-06-25T02:45:41 < timemob> I've got keil open
2016-06-25T02:45:52 < timemob> right now
2016-06-25T02:46:14 < Steffanx> done bomb the plane
2016-06-25T02:46:18 < Steffanx> *dont
2016-06-25T02:46:28 < timemob> to late
2016-06-25T02:48:07 < Steffanx> dont forget to say the magic words
2016-06-25T02:50:39 < timemob> all these cucks just have their fucking iPad pros out watching dumb American TV on them
2016-06-25T02:50:56 < timemob> I'm the only one working
2016-06-25T02:58:46 < emeb> http://kfor.com/2016/06/24/supreme-court-sides-with-family-accused-of-not-teaching-kids-while-waiting-to-be-raptured/
2016-06-25T03:01:09 < Steffanx> but you are japanese, you guys dont know how to relax (without weed) mr timemob
2016-06-25T03:01:33 < timemob> raptured what
2016-06-25T03:06:57 < anton02> does stm32f4 code work on stm32f7
2016-06-25T03:08:39 < timemob> no
2016-06-25T03:08:45 < timemob> you have to rewrite everything
2016-06-25T03:08:54 < anton02> i think i found some code on the forum that might allow me to get DMA working https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/cortex_mx_stm32/Flat.aspx?RootFolder=https%3a%2f%2fmy%2est%2ecom%2fpublic%2fSTe2ecommunities%2fmcu%2fLists%2fcortex_mx_stm32%2fSTM32F411%20-%20DMA%20only%20works%20once&FolderCTID=0x01200200770978C69A1141439FE559EB459D7580009C4E14902C3CDE46A77F0FFD06506F5B&currentviews=394
2016-06-25T03:11:00 < timemob> what the fuck is that even
2016-06-25T03:11:07 < timemob> not related to your shit at all
2016-06-25T03:11:40 < anton02> yeah pwm can be used to give you more colours
2016-06-25T03:11:52 < anton02> on an LED matrix
2016-06-25T03:12:02 < anton02> not that I care that much but why not
2016-06-25T03:12:54 < timemob> not the type of pwm that you need
2016-06-25T03:13:12 < anton02> yeah, ill have to change it. i just mean the hard stuff is taken care of.
2016-06-25T03:13:54 < timemob> except it's not at all
2016-06-25T03:14:25 < anton02> how so
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2016-06-25T03:19:49 < Steffanx> not vaping yet crt?
2016-06-25T03:23:34 < timemob> saw a vapist yesterday
2016-06-25T03:23:38 < timemob> getting into bus
2016-06-25T03:23:49 < timemob> fucker was puffing clouds
2016-06-25T03:23:55 < Laurenceb__> shocking news
2016-06-25T03:24:03 < Laurenceb__> timefeed news
2016-06-25T03:24:09 < timemob> ya
2016-06-25T03:24:18 < timemob> i don't get out much
2016-06-25T03:31:13 < Laurenceb__> coldfusion might have something to it
2016-06-25T03:31:23 < Laurenceb__> pity most of the people working on it are perman00bs
2016-06-25T03:31:55 < timemob> emfusion
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2016-06-25T03:38:08 < Laurenceb__> apart from when its night or cloudy
2016-06-25T03:38:15 < Laurenceb__> and we have no power storage
2016-06-25T03:40:37 < Laurenceb__> apart from the fact that power grids have to be well balanced
2016-06-25T03:40:39 < Laurenceb__> lul
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2016-06-25T03:41:25 < Laurenceb__> yeah
2016-06-25T03:41:34 < Laurenceb__> including fast responding stuff
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2016-06-25T04:11:41 < anton02> looks like i hit the jackpot. someone with the exact same led matrix as me has implemented firmware for it with DMA http://hackaday.com/2015/01/05/rgb-led-matrices-with-the-stm32-and-dma/ in the source code he uses uart though so Im not sure how that works
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2016-06-25T04:31:44 < anton02> actually i think he uses uart for receiving data that hes displaying. the code relevant to me is this I think https://github.com/Frans-Willem/LEDMatrixHUB75/blob/master/F4Matrix/src/matrix.c
2016-06-25T04:59:53 < Laurenceb__> lulwut tons of cars have backup sensors already
2016-06-25T05:00:11 < Laurenceb__> anyways my car is 20 years old and runs fine
2016-06-25T05:00:21 < Laurenceb__> no need for overengineered crap :D
2016-06-25T05:01:12 < Laurenceb__> ooh look random startup generator
2016-06-25T05:01:14 < Laurenceb__> https://hyperloop-one.com/
2016-06-25T05:01:27 < Laurenceb__> they still don't realise its a troll
2016-06-25T05:07:23 < zyp> Laurenceb__, it's usually an optional addon
2016-06-25T05:07:47  * Laurenceb__ has never looked at a car <20 years old
2016-06-25T05:07:49 < zyp> I had to pay extra to get it on mine that I bought a few months ago
2016-06-25T05:08:04 < Laurenceb__> don't see the point, just throwing money away when you leave the showroom
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2016-06-25T05:08:53 < zyp> I replaced a 25 year old car, or so :p
2016-06-25T05:09:49 < zyp> speaking of backup sensors, I added both those and a backup camera
2016-06-25T05:10:23 < zyp> and going by my experience so far, if I had to pick between those, I'd rather have the camera than the sensors
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2016-06-25T05:12:21 < Laurenceb__> if I was buying a new car I might actually go for one
2016-06-25T05:12:28 < Laurenceb__> as the pillars are so thick :-/
2016-06-25T05:12:36 < Laurenceb__> no visibility
2016-06-25T05:13:06 < Laurenceb__> I wonder if anyone has done a trade off analysis of visibility versus crash survivability
2016-06-25T05:13:37 < zyp> go for what?
2016-06-25T05:14:16 < Laurenceb__> go for a rear camera
2016-06-25T05:14:50 < zyp> what has that to do with the pillars?
2016-06-25T05:15:16 < Laurenceb__> there is usually really poor rear visibility on new cars
2016-06-25T05:15:18  * Laurenceb__ zzz
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2016-06-25T06:16:28 < dongs> sup doges
2016-06-25T06:16:34 < dongs> zyp, inflight wifi was pretty pro
2016-06-25T06:17:17 < dongs> are you still in japscat?
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2016-06-25T06:17:56 < dongs> blogging from englishman's house
2016-06-25T06:18:17 < englishman> dongs can you take a picture of the international date line for me
2016-06-25T06:18:24 < dongs> heh
2016-06-25T06:19:03 < dongs> not funny after first ~10 seconds
2016-06-25T06:19:05 < dongs> if ever
2016-06-25T06:19:06 < dongs> wow wifi here is awful
2016-06-25T06:19:28 < dongs> this fucking hotel is $150 wtf is this scam
2016-06-25T06:19:32 < dongs> not sure if canadian or usd
2016-06-25T06:20:11 < dongs> really
2016-06-25T06:20:22 < dongs> japscat you can have a decent room without cockroaches for around 40
2016-06-25T06:20:57 < dongs> The UK film and TV industry will be badly hurt by Brexit, the chairman of the Independent Film and Television Alliance told
2016-06-25T06:21:00 < dongs> the Verge.
2016-06-25T06:21:03 < dongs> HBO series Game of Thrones is largely filmed in Northern Ireland, partly funded by the European Regional Development fund.
2016-06-25T06:21:06 < dongs> finally this paedophilic garbage will be cancelled
2016-06-25T06:21:09 < englishman> just stay in one of the abandoned $12m mansions in vancouer
2016-06-25T06:21:09 < dongs> haha
2016-06-25T06:21:11 < dongs> fuck yes
2016-06-25T06:21:38 < englishman> even $80 is sketchball
2016-06-25T06:21:42 < dongs> haha okay
2016-06-25T06:21:46 < dongs> damn, then japan is awesome
2016-06-25T06:21:53 < englishman> the walls arent paper tho
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2016-06-25T06:26:16 < dongs> also I saw cisco ip phone payphone
2016-06-25T06:26:18 < dongs> that was weird
2016-06-25T06:26:37 < dongs> is that usual
2016-06-25T06:29:38 < dongs> yes
2016-06-25T06:32:06 < englishman> dont forget to see a Doctor of Chinese Medicine at 830pm on a friday and get your weed card
2016-06-25T06:33:00 < dongs> i successfully got rid of all paper american money
2016-06-25T06:33:04 < zyp> dongs, yeah
2016-06-25T06:33:06 < dongs> only left with 3 quarters
2016-06-25T06:34:20 < zyp> my experience is that the more expensive the hotel is, the more shitty the wifi is
2016-06-25T06:37:37 < zyp> ok
2016-06-25T06:40:44 < upgrdman> so uh no smartphone you can tether to?
2016-06-25T06:41:15 < upgrdman> for 35 per month i get 5gb of 4g and unlimited slow
2016-06-25T06:41:27 < englishman> i dont think even dongs can afford canadian cell phone data
2016-06-25T06:41:42 < upgrdman> i thought hes in alaska?
2016-06-25T06:42:05 < upgrdman> yes but only 100 minutes of talk
2016-06-25T06:42:06 < englishman> alaska alberta whatever
2016-06-25T06:42:09 < upgrdman> tmobile
2016-06-25T06:42:27 < upgrdman> k
2016-06-25T06:43:42 < upgrdman> couple months ago i was tethering while at work cause their net was fucked up, used like 11gb, lol
2016-06-25T06:47:35 < upgrdman> i have no limit
2016-06-25T06:47:46 < upgrdman> its just that after 5gb its no longer 4g speeds
2016-06-25T06:48:01 < upgrdman> coreect
2016-06-25T06:48:10 < upgrdman> kinda
2016-06-25T06:48:15 < upgrdman> but
2016-06-25T06:48:42 < upgrdman> my coverage only sucks at like super overpopulated areas. like airports, universities, etc.
2016-06-25T06:48:57 < upgrdman> but normal use, works excellent
2016-06-25T06:49:04 < upgrdman> and im too cheap to pay for verizon or equiv
2016-06-25T06:52:04 < upgrdman> saving to buy a middle class house
2016-06-25T06:52:27 < upgrdman> and in so cal, thats like 1 million
2016-06-25T06:53:18 < upgrdman> so not wasteing money on monthly bills helps a little. jusr a little, but still
2016-06-25T06:54:04 < upgrdman> my monthly bills are like 50percent what my coworkers claim
2016-06-25T06:54:44 < upgrdman> it adds up when you stop dickle and diming yourself all the time
2016-06-25T06:57:00 < upgrdman> im making good money, but being careful with money helps
2016-06-25T06:57:29 < upgrdman> theres lots of idiots with 6 figure salaries that live paycheck to paycheck
2016-06-25T06:58:43 < upgrdman> lol k
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2016-06-25T07:14:39 < dongs> zyp: you're at 3A right? address
2016-06-25T07:14:46 < dongs> from ~january
2016-06-25T07:17:48 < zyp> ya, until end of august at least
2016-06-25T07:17:53 < dongs> ok
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2016-06-25T07:57:53 < dongs> Britain has been officially removed from Euro Truck Simulator
2016-06-25T07:58:03 < dongs> worst thing to come out of brexit
2016-06-25T08:00:15 < dongs> https://media.giphy.com/media/d2ZdPzT4FRmnFYg8/giphy.gif found R2COM
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2016-06-25T08:16:08 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/TL0bQ8j.jpg
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2016-06-25T08:23:41 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/omuxsLH.gifv
2016-06-25T08:23:54 < upgrdman> ^ lolwut
2016-06-25T08:25:44 < ReadError> was waiting for the bar to fall
2016-06-25T08:25:44 < upgrdman> ahaha http://imgur.com/tfN9FCm
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2016-06-25T09:01:01 < dongs> no
2016-06-25T09:01:10 < dongs> the 1st pic should have a dick
2016-06-25T09:01:13 < dongs> the 'before'
2016-06-25T09:04:36 < upgrdman> lol
2016-06-25T09:19:10 < OneSploit> Hi, I have this strange issue with my F7 board, I tried the same SPI code on F4 and it works perfect, but on my F7 setup CS pin goes low after SPI CLK started ticking already, only works by coincidence that CS is low in the right clock tick... any ideas where should I look ?
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2016-06-25T09:22:04 < anton02> fug it's cold
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2016-06-25T09:37:02 < upgrdman> heh
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2016-06-25T09:51:47 < anton02> what does this mean GPIOD->ODR=0;
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2016-06-25T09:59:37 < anton02> one wonders why digital pins 0 to 18 on a discovery aren't on the same port
2016-06-25T10:00:01 < anton02> 0 to 15 i mean
2016-06-25T10:00:46 < anton02> who actually uses that pos LCD
2016-06-25T10:01:32 < anton02> i mean the LCD already connected
2016-06-25T10:02:31 < anton02> well i wanted an f7 due its speed but i dont think there's any discoveries other than this board
2016-06-25T10:10:16 < jpa-> OneSploit: caches?
2016-06-25T10:11:28 < OneSploit> jpa-, were enabled
2016-06-25T10:11:49 < jpa-> then you might have to flush them at some random point
2016-06-25T10:12:08 < jpa-> though i hope the peripheral areas are non-cached, though
2016-06-25T10:12:20 < OneSploit> I will try disable them just to try if that is the issue
2016-06-25T10:12:23 < jpa-> but caches are the one big difference that could make F4 code not work on F7
2016-06-25T10:12:38 < jpa-> yeah, that's probably the easiest way to test
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2016-06-25T10:19:50 < OneSploit> wasn't that...
2016-06-25T10:20:56 < OneSploit> what could be the reason that makes CLK tick earlier than CS pin ? probably many possible causes but most obvious one ?
2016-06-25T10:21:48 < upgrdman> spi mode?
2016-06-25T10:22:11 < OneSploit> motorola
2016-06-25T10:22:49 < upgrdman> also on f0 or f4 i had spi act weird when i was overfilling the tx fifo
2016-06-25T10:29:08 < jpa-> OneSploit: are you using the hardware CS pin or just GPIO?
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2016-06-25T10:36:42 < upgrdman> didnt look. just fixed my shit code and moved on
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2016-06-25T10:38:21 < OneSploit> jpa-, GPIO
2016-06-25T10:59:21 < OneSploit> jpa-, when trying using NSS hardware output (for master), it's even worst... nss pin goes low only for short burst but that's why after SPI clock already started ticking...
2016-06-25T10:59:37 < OneSploit> when*
2016-06-25T11:02:18 < OneSploit> I think I will give up for now, and maybe try later...
2016-06-25T11:02:25 < jpa-> OneSploit: are the GPIO and SPI on same bus (APB1/APB2/AHB)? if different maybe there is different latency or something.. F7 is pretty complex
2016-06-25T11:03:16 < OneSploit> I changed now to hardware CS (NSS)
2016-06-25T11:03:33 < OneSploit> and still CLK goes earlier than CS
2016-06-25T11:04:07 < OneSploit> maybe Cube software messed something up, that sometimes happens
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2016-06-25T11:22:05 < OneSploit> STM32Cube Java 181% cpu on 8 cores, 11.2% memory out of 16G... ^^
2016-06-25T11:25:30 < jpa-> i think java by default allocates something like 10% of total RAM to begin with
2016-06-25T11:25:44 < jpa-> .. particularly fun on a server with >200GB of RAM
2016-06-25T11:43:37 < OneSploit> I had to kill it anyway, it freezes and is very slow otherwise, maybe the project got corrupted, so I will try starting from scratch later on today.. but thanks for ideas
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2016-06-25T12:04:49 < upgrdman> i dont yet need to, but can openocd program and debug and semihost an f4 via jtag, not swd. a jtag bus shared with other stuff, if that makes a diff
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2016-06-25T12:48:06 < anton02> HAL_PWREx_EnableOverDrive();
2016-06-25T12:57:14 < jpa-> upgrdman: should work
2016-06-25T12:57:51 < upgrdman> k
2016-06-25T12:59:06 < jpa-> http://boingboing.net/2016/06/24/vaping-while-faceswapping-yiel.html
2016-06-25T12:59:49 < anton02> lol
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2016-06-25T14:13:14 < Steffanx> Jpa- what was this website you bought your ebike stuff from?
2016-06-25T14:17:15 < jpa-> greenbikekit and bmsbattery
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2016-06-25T14:25:37 < Steffanx> Thanka.
2016-06-25T14:25:39 < Steffanx> S
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2016-06-25T15:13:37 < zyp> Steffanx, you can tell kawaii Tectu that if he wants to talk to me, he needs to stay online long enough that I have a chance to reply
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2016-06-25T15:42:56 < Steffanx> better ask fleck or jpa-
2016-06-25T15:43:12 < Fleck> ;p
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2016-06-25T16:02:01 < Fleck> zyp: btw, freenode has memoserv :D
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2016-06-25T16:03:49 < Fleck> [15:13:36] <zyp> Steffanx, you can tell kawaii Tectu that if he wants to talk to me, he needs to stay online long enough that I have a chance to reply
2016-06-25T16:04:15 < Tectu> hah! :D
2016-06-25T16:14:13 < Steffanx> See, better ask Fleck.
2016-06-25T16:14:17 < Steffanx> fleck has a Tectu monitor
2016-06-25T16:15:40 < Fleck> don't talk about things you don't know Steffanx
2016-06-25T16:16:33 < Steffanx> Yet it seems to be true.
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2016-06-25T16:54:48 < anton02> does this use HAL? https://github.com/Frans-Willem/LEDMatrixHUB75/blob/master/F4Matrix/src/matrix.c
2016-06-25T16:58:04 < Steffanx> looks likes pre-hal code to me. The (good) old stm32 peripheral lib.
2016-06-25T16:58:59 -!- You're now known as jpa-
2016-06-25T16:59:23 < jpa-> such lovely stdperiph
2016-06-25T16:59:37 < jpa-> the most hated std of them all
2016-06-25T16:59:59 < upgrdman_> so i may try hal for f4, anything i should know other than hal being yet another layer of indirection?
2016-06-25T17:00:27 < anton02> where do you get stm32 peripheral lib from?
2016-06-25T17:02:09 < Steffanx> but the new hal is even hated more jpa-.
2016-06-25T17:02:17 < jpa-> that's like asking "where do you get aids from?"
2016-06-25T17:02:29 < jpa-> Steffanx: we don't talk about that..
2016-06-25T17:03:04 < Steffanx> but we can.
2016-06-25T17:03:06 < jpa-> common sources: public toilet, monkey cage, class projects
2016-06-25T17:03:19 < PeterM> talking in #stm32
2016-06-25T17:03:35 < Steffanx> #stm32: Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited
2016-06-25T17:04:09 < PeterM> ##
2016-06-25T17:05:33 < anton02> i have been told that HAL is shitty and i use it at my own risk. makes me wonder what they use
2016-06-25T17:07:38 < jpa-> i use just the register defs, or chibios
2016-06-25T17:08:10 < jpa-> sometimes i even use mbed or nuttx and still enjoy it better than stdperiph/hal
2016-06-25T17:10:08 < anton02> chibios? haven't heard of that one before
2016-06-25T17:11:15 < anton02> i wonder if mbed can do memory->peripheral GPIO DMA
2016-06-25T17:11:43 < jpa-> when you want to do something close to hardware like that, why would you want extra layers between you and the hardware?
2016-06-25T17:12:51 < anton02> what are register defs?
2016-06-25T17:14:57 < jpa-> stm32f4xx.h and similar, the    GPIOA->ODR  etc. register definitions
2016-06-25T17:15:09 < jpa-> that match the reference manual without having to dig up any extra documents
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2016-06-25T17:38:54 < ReadError> chibios does a lot in DMA by default
2016-06-25T18:00:28 < dongs> lol chibios
2016-06-25T18:01:51 < dongs> < anton02> does this use HAL? https://github.com/Frans-Willem/LEDMatrixHUB75/blob/master/F4Matrix/src/matrix.c
2016-06-25T18:01:54 < dongs> nice find
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2016-06-25T18:23:07 < Steffanx> the guy that wrote that is actually here.
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2016-06-25T18:23:53 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_Fv_DULgeM video of the result.
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2016-06-25T18:28:59 < dongs> Steffanx: i thought that nick sounded familiar
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2016-06-25T18:41:56 < dongs> k time to head to airport
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2016-06-25T19:48:44 < Laurenceb__> lul so much salt in uk right now
2016-06-25T19:49:57 < Laurenceb__> https://i.sli.mg/XV8573.png
2016-06-25T19:52:45 < jpa-> what did Laurenceb__bs vote?
2016-06-25T19:52:53 < Steffanx> #brexit
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2016-06-25T19:54:06 < Laurenceb__> this is not twitter
2016-06-25T19:54:51 < jpa-> then why is it so boring?
2016-06-25T19:57:54 < rue_shop3> because your not making it exciting
2016-06-25T19:58:02 < rue_shop3> dance!
2016-06-25T19:58:21  * rue_shop3 points a soldering gun at jpa's feet
2016-06-25T19:58:23 < jpa-> too hot to dance
2016-06-25T19:58:33 < rue_shop3> oh ok
2016-06-25T19:58:38 < jpa-> who uses soldering guns?
2016-06-25T19:58:50 < rue_shop3> i solder BIG THING
2016-06-25T19:58:52 < rue_shop3> S
2016-06-25T19:59:03  * rue_shop3 clears throat
2016-06-25T19:59:33 < jpa-> you had a big thing in your throat?
2016-06-25T20:00:44 < rue_shop3> not solder
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2016-06-25T20:09:46 < Fleck> ;p
2016-06-25T20:09:55 < Fleck> hi rue_shop3
2016-06-25T20:12:51 < Fleck> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6nENfsCAAANTTi.png << is this you rue_shop3? :D
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2016-06-25T23:19:00 < Steffanx> ohsix and dongs gone, ##stm32 dead.
2016-06-25T23:23:22 < kakimir> midsummer fest
2016-06-25T23:23:37 < kakimir> really never seen anything like this year
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2016-06-25T23:37:29 < Laurenceb__> https://i.sli.mg/fXbRYt.gif
2016-06-25T23:38:31 < kakimir> first it's insanely hot
2016-06-25T23:39:24 < kakimir> and never seen so much people to get into one area just to consume beer and enjoy summer
2016-06-25T23:39:33 < kakimir> like thousands
2016-06-25T23:40:28 < Steffanx> join them kakimir
2016-06-25T23:40:52 < kakimir> I rather not
2016-06-25T23:40:56 < kakimir> at this time of day
2016-06-25T23:41:32 < kakimir> people leave public areas and go to bar
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2016-06-25T23:41:40 < kakimir> and leave cabins
2016-06-25T23:42:33 < kakimir> every body start to get more drunk and tired
2016-06-25T23:42:44 < Steffanx> you can also get drunk and tired
2016-06-25T23:43:05 < kakimir> I had that one last nigth
2016-06-25T23:43:13 < kakimir> even slept next to some girl
2016-06-25T23:43:29 < Steffanx> your mom?
2016-06-25T23:43:31 < kakimir> in seperate beds!
2016-06-25T23:43:50 < Steffanx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-3-0-To-SATA-Converter-Adapter-For-2-5-3-5-inch-Hard-Drive-HDD-SSD-F5-/291722732863 how well would that actually work with some 3.5" disk.
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2016-06-25T23:44:13 < kakimir> no
2016-06-25T23:44:16 < kakimir> it wont
2016-06-25T23:44:23 < kakimir> you need 12V
2016-06-25T23:44:43 < kakimir> that has UC 12V pin
2016-06-25T23:44:48 < kakimir> NC
2016-06-25T23:44:55 < Steffanx> unless it does some dc/dc stuff, but.. im not so sure about that
2016-06-25T23:45:35 < kakimir> dc/dc from 5V usb to 12V..
2016-06-25T23:45:40 < kakimir> unliekly
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2016-06-25T23:46:19 < Steffanx> oh, i thought usb 3.0 did more than 900mA
2016-06-25T23:47:07 < kakimir> while power demand is intant
2016-06-25T23:47:10 < kakimir> instant
2016-06-25T23:48:13 < kakimir> Steffanx: is there hole for DC supply
2016-06-25T23:48:15 < kakimir> ?
2016-06-25T23:48:29 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-3-0-to-SATA-Converter-Adapter-Cable-for-2-5-3-5-HDD-SSD-12V-Power-Supply/181751758762
2016-06-25T23:48:36 < kakimir> like hier
2016-06-25T23:48:39 < Steffanx> no clue, was just browsing ebay for some cheap arse usb 3.0 thingy for 3.5" disks
2016-06-25T23:49:02 < kakimir> have one with external 12V support
2016-06-25T23:49:07 < kakimir> DV plug
2016-06-25T23:49:10 < kakimir> DC
2016-06-25T23:50:45 < Steffanx> my local retailer does not accept dollars :P
2016-06-25T23:51:42 < Steffanx> Cheap. Things like that tend to be more expensive in dutchland
2016-06-25T23:52:07 < Steffanx> It's like: change the dollar sign to a euro sign and add 21% taxes
2016-06-25T23:53:26 < Steffanx> 2.0 -_-.
2016-06-25T23:53:29 < kakimir> how is midsummer around world?
2016-06-25T23:53:46 < Steffanx> it's not summering.
2016-06-25T23:53:55 < Steffanx> Rainy for quite a few weeks now.
2016-06-25T23:54:00 < kakimir> Steffanx: you have these maypoles?
2016-06-25T23:54:13 < Steffanx> lol no.
2016-06-25T23:54:39 < Steffanx> At least i haven't seen them. but im not often seen nearby hippies
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2016-06-25T23:55:08 < kakimir> we don't have maypoles
2016-06-25T23:55:18 < kakimir> we have - big ass bonfires
2016-06-25T23:55:27 < kakimir> bigger the better
2016-06-25T23:56:12 < kakimir> http://www.discoveringfinland.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Juhannus-seura.jpg
2016-06-25T23:57:38 < Steffanx> today is ending soon.
2016-06-25T23:58:48 < kakimir> 2minutes
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2016-06-26T00:01:02 < kakimir> I wonder if I have nerve to look at my bank account status now
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2016-06-26T00:03:49 < Steffanx> Yes, and share a screenshot.
2016-06-26T00:04:30 < kakimir> transactions are not visible
2016-06-26T00:04:40 < kakimir> just -389eur pending
2016-06-26T00:07:26 < kakimir> Steffanx: I bet you want my one time keys too?
2016-06-26T00:07:47 < Steffanx> Why would i need those when you balance is negative?
2016-06-26T00:08:15 < kakimir> no it's positive minus pending value not yet visible transactions
2016-06-26T00:21:40 < Steffanx> lol, how can your day fail in 5 minutes ohsix?
2016-06-26T00:22:40 < Steffanx> ok.
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2016-06-26T00:35:39 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-C7AAvSslk
2016-06-26T00:37:14 < Steffanx> He's not dead yet kakimir?
2016-06-26T00:39:34 < kakimir> I can hear his electric meter spinning wildly
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2016-06-26T01:49:55 < Thorn> wtf is impure.o and why does it use 0x428 = 1064 bytes in .data
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2016-06-26T01:54:13 < aandrew> kakimir> http://www.discoveringfinland.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Juhannus-seura.jpg
2016-06-26T01:54:17 < aandrew> that looks AWFULLY close to the forest
2016-06-26T02:03:51 < kakimir> fire has that thing it wants to go up
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2016-06-26T02:04:50 < kakimir> as long the ground does not have dry shiet it's quite under control
2016-06-26T02:05:22 < aandrew> kakimir: we just had one of the biggest forest fires in recent history in Alberta
2016-06-26T02:05:31 < aandrew> big fires obey their own set of laws
2016-06-26T02:05:47 < aandrew> you could have a somewhat large ember fly up and carry over on the hot air current into the forest
2016-06-26T02:05:57 < aandrew> that doesn't look more htan 5m at most
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2016-06-26T02:08:05 < kakimir> big fire is like... I'm going to set stuff on fire 20meters away
2016-06-26T02:08:15 < kakimir> instantly
2016-06-26T02:09:36 < aandrew> when I was a kid we had a piece of land (just fallow) and it caught fire from a small bonfire
2016-06-26T02:09:45 < aandrew> never saw 5 acres burn before, it was the strangest thing
2016-06-26T02:10:20 < aandrew> it wasn't some wall of fire many feet high ripping through, it was slow and quiet along the ground. all the mice and whatnot that coudl move fast enough were running away
2016-06-26T02:10:52 < aandrew> in the end, a month later (or maybe next season, I don't remember now) everything grew back SUPER well because of all the ash fertilizer
2016-06-26T02:10:55 < aandrew> insane
2016-06-26T02:11:48 < kakimir> that was grass fire
2016-06-26T02:12:20 < aandrew> eys
2016-06-26T02:12:21 < aandrew> yes
2016-06-26T02:12:32 < kakimir> when trees set on fire it's a blitz
2016-06-26T02:12:40 < aandrew> yes, agreed
2016-06-26T02:12:57 < aandrew> and again, our recent alberta (ft mcmurray) wildfire was intense
2016-06-26T02:13:03 < kakimir> it can move running speed or faster
2016-06-26T02:13:10 < kakimir> *spread
2016-06-26T02:14:53 < kakimir> if you see it.. you are pretty fucked
2016-06-26T02:15:50 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9tQXY2GNxI
2016-06-26T02:18:57 < kakimir> trees burnin like piece of paper
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2016-06-26T02:41:20 < jadew> R2COM, none of those new games are worms reloaded
2016-06-26T02:41:33 < jadew> I'm disappointed
2016-06-26T02:41:48 < jadew> that's because the one you have sucks
2016-06-26T02:42:19 < aandrew> worms was an awesoem game
2016-06-26T02:42:29 < aandrew> I remember playing that in the engineering division over IPX
2016-06-26T02:42:32 < aandrew> that and duke nukum
2016-06-26T02:42:55 < jadew> it's still fun
2016-06-26T02:48:26 < jadew> http://popdust.com/2015/05/08/walmart-groceries-woman-vagina/
2016-06-26T02:48:54 < jadew> "A dozen eggs, bread, milk, a few more oranges, as well as a full porterhouse and a rack of bacon were in there, plus a lot more."
2016-06-26T02:50:30 < jadew> ah, nvm
2016-06-26T02:50:32 < jadew> it's fake
2016-06-26T02:50:38 < jadew> fucking shit articles
2016-06-26T02:51:54 < jadew> anyway, that reminds me, I have to go buy gorceries
2016-06-26T02:52:50 < jadew> will you offer the vagina?
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2016-06-26T03:10:24 < Thorn> it was from libc. I added nano.specs and the .data crap disappeared
2016-06-26T03:11:18 < Thorn> there're google hits if you search for "impure.o"
2016-06-26T03:15:20 < Thorn> btw I had to remove -nostartfiles from my old makefile to compile with cube/HAL shit
2016-06-26T03:20:27 < Thorn> my startup code did not contain bl __libc_init_array, I think this is what requires crt
2016-06-26T03:21:23 < Thorn> I didn't use anything from libc and did not link with it
2016-06-26T03:23:49 < Thorn> there're like 3 things that gcc assumes are linked by default: crt, libgcc and libc. I'm not sure what symbols from there are required during startup. apparently nothing is strictly required
2016-06-26T03:25:39 < Thorn> I looked at my link map, the only symbol in .init_array is atexit_something
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2016-06-26T03:25:54 < Thorn> I don't use atexit because I don't exit
2016-06-26T03:26:57 < Thorn> startup.s both from stdperiph and from cube does all the basic stuff like copying .data, zeroing .bss, calling SystemInit crap, then main
2016-06-26T03:28:05 < Thorn> the only difference as far as I remember is this __libc_init_array call, it's new
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2016-06-26T03:29:02 < anton02> i never actually knew that you can get stm32f7 discovery boards without LCD displays
2016-06-26T03:30:04 < anton02> well, they call it a 'nucleo' whatever that means http://au.element14.com/stmicroelectronics/nucleo-f746zg/dev-brd-stm32f746zg-arduino-mbed/dp/2517900?CMP=KNC-GOO-SHOPPING-2517900&gross_price=true&mckv=s73ItMnTb|pcrid|97800471288&gclid=Cj0KEQjw17i7BRC7toz5g5DM0tsBEiQAIt7nLE7n8kxhKJCQAzuoTmkSyoyY9jpioWwDBX8ls7kupngaAqgh8P8HAQ&CAWELAID=120185580001327014&CAAGID=22418885808&CATCI=pla-62683569560&CAGPSPN=pla
2016-06-26T03:34:56 < Thorn> so I had to remove -nostartfiles because _init was undefined
2016-06-26T03:35:32 < Thorn> I think __libc_init_array uses it
2016-06-26T03:36:46 < Thorn> _init is the only symbol in .init and the linker script contains KEEP (*(.init))
2016-06-26T03:37:07 < Thorn> I'm not sure what all this crap does but I'm pretty sure I lived without it
2016-06-26T03:38:17 < Thorn> is _init another startup function that prepares .data/.bss and calls main?
2016-06-26T03:41:01 < anton02> what does nucleo mean anyway
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2016-06-26T03:46:03 < Thorn> I once wrote startup / vector table / etc for lpc11c2x in C after failing to find anything on the NXP website lol
2016-06-26T04:15:41 < Thorn> finally blinkenlichten
2016-06-26T04:16:15 < Thorn> why the hell __HAL_RCC_GPIOC_CLK_ENABLE but __GPIOD_CLK_ENABLE
2016-06-26T04:17:57 < Thorn> lol there is __HAL_RCC_GPIOD_CLK_ENABLE but in another header x_x
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2016-06-26T05:51:11 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/q4TWWRV.gifv
2016-06-26T05:55:39 < upgrdman> inorite
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2016-06-26T05:55:53 < upgrdman> wheres the arduino lib for that shit
2016-06-26T06:00:08 < upgrdman> ohsix, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf7IEVTDjng&feature=youtu.be&t=87
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2016-06-26T07:15:49 < Kuroko|2> bought some NRF905 from mouser
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2016-06-26T07:16:06 < Kuroko> would get corrupted data from chinese modules
2016-06-26T07:16:21 < Kuroko> soldered other board from mouser
2016-06-26T07:16:27 < Kuroko> and everything worked
2016-06-26T07:16:47 < Kuroko> note to myself: don't use chinese and original NRF905 at the same time
2016-06-26T07:35:33 < Kuroko> ohsix: they were the same nrf905 chips
2016-06-26T07:35:41 < Kuroko> the chinese worked great by themselves
2016-06-26T07:36:02 < Kuroko> but would get corrupted data with the one from mouser
2016-06-26T07:36:31 < Kuroko> the original received the data from the chinese alright, but the chinese would get corrupted data from the original
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2016-06-26T09:36:55 < upgrdman> ohsix, wuts dickburst?
2016-06-26T09:41:43 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/mFOfTuw
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2016-06-26T11:26:07 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/r/WTF/1greTUn
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2016-06-26T11:34:57 < upgrdman> https://imgur.com/r/WTF/ldXIkzH
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2016-06-26T11:40:30 < anton02> is it possible to have two dma channels synced so that you can copy bits from memory to two different GPIO ports at the exact same time?
2016-06-26T11:42:11 < jpa-> no, because the DMA controller will reserve the bus during the write operation
2016-06-26T11:42:35 < jpa-> (not to mention that one DMA controller will only handle one request at a time, but even if you use both DMA1 and DMA2, still no)
2016-06-26T12:05:14 < upgrdman> heh, just realized my phones nfc can read my rfid cards. it can even tell me my shanghai subway card balance.
2016-06-26T12:05:33 < upgrdman> 178 CNY left on the card
2016-06-26T12:06:03 < upgrdman> mhmmm
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2016-06-26T12:10:18 < PeterM> upgrdman, but can you write to it
2016-06-26T12:10:32 < upgrdman> didnt try
2016-06-26T12:10:43 < upgrdman> but doubt its that simple tp hack
2016-06-26T12:11:13 < upgrdman> either way, im not gonna try to piss off the cn govt
2016-06-26T12:11:28 < upgrdman> and subway fare is cheap for us 1st worlders
2016-06-26T12:14:31 < upgrdman> wtf, i just got 2.50 in ad revenue from one of my videos yesterday, and the video has like 400 lifetime views in 2years. someone must have bought something through an ad. sweet
2016-06-26T12:15:15 < upgrdman> and ot was just a halfassed video of my driving my balancing robot
2016-06-26T12:18:54 < PeterM> i saw some other youtube channel copying your trash vids
2016-06-26T12:19:40 < PeterM> i cant remember where
2016-06-26T12:19:46 < upgrdman> really?
2016-06-26T12:19:48 < PeterM> ya
2016-06-26T12:19:55 < upgrdman> direct copy?
2016-06-26T12:19:57 < upgrdman> bummer
2016-06-26T12:20:25 < upgrdman> if you find it please 'ink
2016-06-26T12:20:27 < upgrdman> link
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2016-06-26T12:49:19 < anton02> you ever seen an stm32f4 breakout board?
2016-06-26T12:53:52 < ReadError> ....
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2016-06-26T13:07:35 < anton02> do you enjoy making stm32 LCD applications?
2016-06-26T13:08:23 < ReadError> no
2016-06-26T13:10:57 < OneSploit> Hi, do you guys have somewhere reading register with SPI example that uses STM32Cube HAL ?
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2016-06-26T13:11:48 < OneSploit> Should the CS stay pulled down when I send register and then dummy byte to read ?
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2016-06-26T13:20:52 < OneSploit> ok nvm
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2016-06-26T13:34:07 < OneSploit> jpa-, I dont know what was the reason for CLK ticking earlier than CS, I regenerated CubeMX project and now it is timed correctly, the only thing I had to change was prescalar for SPI5, though I have a question. When using CS as GPIO I could control exactly when to pull it down/up. With hardware one, when I use 8bit transactions, CS goes up between, is there a way to keep it down and still write 8bit twice ? I am writing reading 16bit values
2016-06-26T13:34:07 < OneSploit> now and it works, but I was wondering if it's correct way of doing this.
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2016-06-26T13:57:31 < jpa-> OneSploit: hardware NSS is a bit strange, i haven't used it much myself either
2016-06-26T14:00:13 < anton02> why does it benefit stm32 for them to not have any examples of DMA to peripheral code
2016-06-26T14:00:45 < jpa-> the reference manual should be enough
2016-06-26T14:01:15 < anton02> lol
2016-06-26T14:01:43 < jpa-> no, really
2016-06-26T14:01:46 < jpa-> it's not that hard
2016-06-26T14:01:53 < knielsen> there should be lots of examples for DMA'ing to a peripheral, both in ST code and elsewhere...
2016-06-26T14:02:16 < anton02> nah they only have examples of memory to memory
2016-06-26T14:02:52 < knielsen> well, I know for a fact that their SDIO code does memory to peripheral
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2016-06-26T14:27:34 < anton02> is this dong's channel?
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2016-06-26T14:31:17 < ReadError> why would it be
2016-06-26T14:31:20 < OneSploit> what would be the benefit of using DMA to transfer lets say gyro samples from imu, isn't DMA more appriopriate for transfering large files, images and large data ?
2016-06-26T14:31:31 < OneSploit> just wondering...
2016-06-26T14:32:13 < knielsen> OneSploit: it can also be useful for receiving few data that arrives slowly
2016-06-26T14:32:43 < knielsen> OneSploit: to avoid having to take an interrupt for each byte or whatever, or alternatively poll-wait for a longish time
2016-06-26T14:33:53 < anton02> you can queue up lots of short commands into an array and have those fire at your GPIO quickly. it doesn't necessarily need to be a large file
2016-06-26T14:34:40 < OneSploit> I see, thanks for explaining
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2016-06-26T15:33:42 < anton02> i just bought one of these but i dont intend to use mbed http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA4MFgxNDQw/z/P4sAAOSw3mpXM~I0/$_57.JPG
2016-06-26T15:34:32 < anton02> literally the only reason I bought it is because it has a lot of pins on one port connected to the headers and my discovery doesn't
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2016-06-26T15:38:02 < ReadError> whats buying that have to do with mbed
2016-06-26T15:39:39 < anton02> someone told me earlier that maybe nucleo was mostly taylored to mbed
2016-06-26T15:41:24 < Fleck> what discovery?
2016-06-26T15:41:32 < Fleck> why do you need lots of pins?
2016-06-26T15:41:43 < ReadError> Fleck f7disco is pretty dumb
2016-06-26T15:43:10 < anton02> i dont need lots of pins
2016-06-26T15:43:20 < anton02> i just need them to be on one port
2016-06-26T15:43:38 < anton02> STM32F746G-Discovery
2016-06-26T15:47:22 < Fleck> why on one port?
2016-06-26T15:49:06 < Fleck> construct array of ports/pins, bit slower but most of the time - works great
2016-06-26T15:49:28 < Steffanx> probably want to dma something?
2016-06-26T15:49:55 < Fleck> morning Steffanx
2016-06-26T15:50:01 < Steffanx> Hello mr Fleck.
2016-06-26T15:50:23 < decimad> how large would be a multiplexer that could route any gpio to any pin?^^
2016-06-26T15:51:02 < Fleck> what kind of a q. is that? :D
2016-06-26T15:51:25 < decimad> I dont really know if that is technically prohibitive ;)
2016-06-26T15:51:48 < anton02> Fleck, one port because im DMAing
2016-06-26T15:53:17 < Steffanx> was an easy guess as the last day was all about dma :P
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2016-06-26T15:56:07 < Fleck> and pins connected to?
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2016-06-26T15:56:31 < anton02> an rgb matrix
2016-06-26T15:56:36 < anton02> of leds
2016-06-26T15:56:37 < Fleck> I see
2016-06-26T15:59:50 < jpa-> decimad: i think some microcontrollers have that
2016-06-26T16:01:49 < PaulFertser> PSoC?
2016-06-26T16:02:09 < PaulFertser> They got CPLD that can do that and more.
2016-06-26T16:06:04 < zyp> decimad, it's a O(n^2) problem
2016-06-26T16:06:15 < zyp> the more pins you have, the larger the switch matrix will be
2016-06-26T16:06:25 < zyp> squared.
2016-06-26T16:06:35 < decimad> It's M * N rather ;)
2016-06-26T16:07:20 < decimad> But that's why I was asking, I have no feeling about how large such a matrix would be at realistic pin counts
2016-06-26T16:07:47 < decimad> and gpio counts
2016-06-26T16:07:59 < decimad> Given you need fewer gpios if you have more flexibility
2016-06-26T16:08:04 < jpa-> well, for example with 100 pins you'd have 10000 switches
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2016-06-26T16:09:56 < jpa-> i wonder how many transistors e.g. STM32F4 has
2016-06-26T16:10:11 < PeterM> at least 10
2016-06-26T16:12:07 < anton02> tril
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2016-06-26T16:31:43 < knielsen> they have around 2 mbit of SRAM, and they usually take 4 or 6 transistors per bit, so that's around 10 million for the sram. So I'd guess it's something in the 50-100 million transistors ballpark total, without knowing anything specific
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2016-06-26T16:35:32 < jpa-> so some 100k transistors for GPIO mapping wouldn't be that bad
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2016-06-26T16:37:39 < knielsen> There might be other constraints than transistor count
2016-06-26T16:38:03 < knielsen> but I think there was some other ARM MCU (can't remember the company) that had this kind of any-pin-remap matrix
2016-06-26T16:38:28 < knielsen> and fpga's kind of have it too, so I suppose it's possible, maybe there's just not a lot of demand for it
2016-06-26T16:38:42 < jpa-> yeah.. and analog stuff and high-speed stuff is harder to remap
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2016-06-26T16:40:12 < Thorn> IIRC you could get worse timings on an fpga if you assign e.g. input and output to pins that are far away from each other / are on different i/o blocks
2016-06-26T16:40:47 < Laurenceb__> https://i.sli.mg/oJOH9G.png
2016-06-26T16:41:24 < BrainDamage> that is correct thorn
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2016-06-26T17:06:59 < Steffanx> as in you in a boat or you not in the boat with some rc remote in your hands?
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2016-06-26T18:03:18 < Thorn> is this why I removed removed -nostartfiles? http://paste.ofcode.org/zRXiEkrQELHZc8wijMSZ26
2016-06-26T18:35:59 < Thorn> R2COM: do you still work at spacex btw?
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2016-06-26T18:36:37 < decimad> Thorn: What is that? Some kind of many nops in few instructions?
2016-06-26T18:38:35 < Thorn> I guess gcc knows better how to compile void _init(void) { } lol
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2016-06-26T18:41:51 < decimad> there must be more to that... no compiler would be that stupid^^
2016-06-26T18:43:03 < decimad> well, my compiler might be ;)
2016-06-26T18:44:33 < Thorn> decimad: more disassembled crap http://paste.ofcode.org/ts2vCLhjewgtCBw2ss59tY
2016-06-26T18:45:30 < Thorn> str then ldr the same thing etc.
2016-06-26T18:45:46 < decimad> no
2016-06-26T18:45:49 < decimad> that is volatile
2016-06-26T18:45:53 < decimad> you're asking for this
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2016-06-26T18:47:50 < Thorn> oh well it explains why it's the same even at -O2 lol
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2016-06-26T18:57:02 < Thorn> how to overload a function in C http://pastebin.com/Pdmf1wi6
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2016-06-26T18:58:01 < Rob235> blah, sucks to get an email 8 hours after you place an order that a 20% off sale just started...
2016-06-26T18:59:16 < Thorn> fixed(?) version http://pastebin.com/6rVrV000
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2016-06-26T19:06:20 < Steffanx> stop that Thorn. :P
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2016-06-26T19:11:30 < knielsen> hehe, nice macro magic :) (is it gcc extensions?)
2016-06-26T19:12:01 < Thorn> I think it's c99
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2016-06-26T19:13:07 < Thorn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variadic_macro
2016-06-26T19:13:27 < knielsen> ok, cool
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2016-06-26T19:59:15 < Rickta59> it if funny how things that are simple in c++ are stupid with macros Thorn
2016-06-26T19:59:18 < Rickta59> it is
2016-06-26T19:59:46 < Rickta59> how to deal with func(char *, char *) vs func(int, int)
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2016-06-26T20:05:41 < PaulFertser> It's not obvious "polymorphism" as implemented in C++ is a good thing... It's neither generic code (which is the same but the actual type gets substituted where needed, C++ supports that with templates) nor it is anything similar to Haskell typeclasses (which is sort of similar to inheritance from abstract classes/"java interfaces" in C++).
2016-06-26T20:06:28 < PaulFertser> And having completely different code for same function without any additional typesystem-level guards seems error-prone.
2016-06-26T20:08:22 < rue_shop3> Fleck, nope, I use more flux than that
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2016-06-26T20:13:46 < Fleck> ;p
2016-06-26T20:34:38 < Thorn> http://www.modulaware.com/mdlt35.htm
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2016-06-27T00:00:15 < rue_shop3> no
2016-06-27T00:00:33 < rue_shop3> line numbered basic teaches you what memory space is
2016-06-27T00:01:01 < rue_shop3> new programmer really dont seem to understand linear memory
2016-06-27T00:01:05 < rue_shop3> addressing
2016-06-27T00:01:09 < rue_shop3> so they dont get arrays
2016-06-27T00:02:20 < Thorn> today's basic is called php
2016-06-27T00:03:06 < rue_shop3> line numbers
2016-06-27T00:03:11 < rue_shop3> nothing today has line numbesr
2016-06-27T00:03:43 < rue_shop3> 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD"
2016-06-27T00:03:45 < rue_shop3> 20 GOTO 10
2016-06-27T00:04:35  * rue_shop3 tries to curb a flood of BASIC memories
2016-06-27T00:08:18 < rue_shop3> its really interesting the foundation concept they engained tho
2016-06-27T00:08:35 < rue_shop3> if you coded properly you never had to renumber
2016-06-27T00:08:58 < rue_shop3> I always went up by 10 and rarely had to renumber more than 3 lines for poke-ins
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2016-06-27T00:09:06 < rue_shop3> basic was all there was dude
2016-06-27T00:09:18 < rue_shop3> less the coffee and cigs, I did
2016-06-27T00:09:24 < rue_shop3> Z80 that I hand bootstrapped
2016-06-27T00:09:37 < rue_shop3> _4_ times I had to enter the monitor
2016-06-27T00:09:54 < rue_shop3> nothing like having a cpu run amok and destroy hours of memory entries
2016-06-27T00:10:31 < rue_shop3> the first time I forgot to write in the code for writing an eprom :)
2016-06-27T00:10:38 < rue_shop3> OOPS
2016-06-27T00:12:32 < rue_shop3> its sunny, I should SO be outside
2016-06-27T00:12:35 < Thorn> st-link on my discovery stopped working through a self-powered hub (led blinks red). it works when connected directly to the pc. a flash drive works in the same ports in the hub. wtf
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2016-06-27T00:28:50  * knielsen has had his share of "fun" with cheap crappy usb-hubs, seem to generally be of abysmal quality
2016-06-27T00:29:16 < knielsen> though st-link seems buggy, too
2016-06-27T00:36:21 < Thorn> I did do something funny to it, namely powered it from a PSU via the 5V pin while it was connected via the st-link mini-B connector (which is allowed by the manual and there is a diode between Vbus and 5V)
2016-06-27T00:36:53 < Thorn> which seems like the only thing that could cause it but I've no idea how
2016-06-27T00:54:33 < Thorn> the 3V line is exactly the same (2.95V) with and without the psu
2016-06-27T01:00:20 < Thorn> nope, weendows
2016-06-27T01:00:46 < Thorn> I can test with lunix though
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2016-06-27T02:04:34 < Laurenceb__> http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/55979/1466767452/CameronScarFace.jpg
2016-06-27T02:09:59 < kakimir> I wonder if brexit has something to do with brittain becoming best friends with communist party?
2016-06-27T02:13:52 < kakimir> I mean peoples republic of china
2016-06-27T02:14:45 < anton02> the 3rd parameter here should be 16bit since that's how big the ports are. But the compiler wants it to be 32bit for some weird reason HAL_TIM_PWM_Start_DMA(&timHandle, PWM_TIMER_CHANNEL, LED_BYTE_Buffer, buffersize);
2016-06-27T02:15:18 < kakimir> I have hard time believing that nation like brittain would really let their citizens to choose
2016-06-27T02:15:21 < kakimir> anything
2016-06-27T02:15:55 < kakimir> it has to have hidden agenda
2016-06-27T02:16:51 < kakimir> oh
2016-06-27T02:17:24 < anton02> ohsix, why would that be weird? Its writing to peripheral GPIO. a GPIO port is 16bits
2016-06-27T02:18:15 < kakimir> In here the crowd is fooled every time by some public circus to hide everything that is really hapenning
2016-06-27T02:19:36 < kakimir> "Minister sexting with a blonde pair of tits! He needs to resign!"
2016-06-27T02:20:21 < kakimir> same time they "fix" issues in constitution
2016-06-27T02:20:28 < kakimir> "issues"
2016-06-27T02:22:26 < kakimir> I wonder is trump is just a great populist
2016-06-27T02:22:43 < kakimir> or if he actually stands behind even one thing he promised
2016-06-27T02:23:07 < kakimir> if president
2016-06-27T02:28:01 < kakimir> http://apina.biz/145630.webm?mode=sfw how to enter festival area
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2016-06-27T02:31:59 < Laurenceb__> https://gfycat.com/ThirdRequiredElver
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2016-06-27T02:40:44 < kakimir> still a cub
2016-06-27T02:41:33 < ReadError> https://www.instagram.com/blackjaguarwhitetiger/?hl=en this guy?
2016-06-27T02:42:03 < ReadError> https://www.instagram.com/p/BG0Yv5CTGkm/?taken-by=blackjaguarwhitetiger&hl=en lol nope
2016-06-27T02:45:42 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffcRHmKFEVg original
2016-06-27T02:58:52 < rue_shop3> are any of the stm32 suitable for linux, or are they all just fast microcontrollers?
2016-06-27T02:59:51 < kakimir> crt: what?
2016-06-27T02:59:52 < kakimir> like
2016-06-27T03:00:13 < kakimir> 10kV tranfer line transformer?
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2016-06-27T03:07:42 < anton02> ohsix, yeah so you want that variable to be 16bit since the width of what you're writing to is 16bit
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2016-06-27T03:27:15 < kakimir> no
2016-06-27T03:27:29 < kakimir> nite>
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2016-06-27T03:43:38 < Rob235> O.O
2016-06-27T03:47:05 < dongs> sup autistic chats
2016-06-27T03:47:13 < dongs> i might buy some P75 panels
2016-06-27T03:47:15 < dongs> for no reason
2016-06-27T03:47:20 < dongs> or HUB75 or wahtever
2016-06-27T03:49:39 < Rob235> drugs are bad, mmmkay?
2016-06-27T03:57:00 < Laurenceb__> https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9297303&cid=52395417
2016-06-27T03:57:45 < Laurenceb__> https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9297303&cid=52395539
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2016-06-27T04:07:37 < dongs> crt: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/i-bet-aidsfruit-sells-this-for-10x-more/32575282521.html
2016-06-27T04:07:56 < dongs> https://www.adafruit.com/product/2279
2016-06-27T04:07:58 < dongs> lmaooooooooooo
2016-06-27T04:08:40 < dongs> fkin cunt
2016-06-27T04:13:07 < Rob235> tell ali to stop emailing me about damn purchase protections
2016-06-27T04:15:01 < dongs> don't purchase anything from fgtexpress
2016-06-27T04:15:03 < dongs> problem solved
2016-06-27T04:15:26 < dongs> i only use it for lulzy links to adafruit
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2016-06-27T04:16:12 < jadew> wtf, $90 for a shitty LED matrix?
2016-06-27T04:16:28 < jadew> is it made from gold?
2016-06-27T04:17:11 < dongs> no it pays for more black fingernailpolish
2016-06-27T04:17:18 < dongs> for transgenderedfruit
2016-06-27T04:20:04 < jadew> oh, speaking of aliexpress, I need a button
2016-06-27T04:21:07 < emeb_mac> wow - nice price on those panels
2016-06-27T04:21:26 < emeb_mac> wonder if they have the same high-speed serial interface
2016-06-27T04:21:27 < jadew> yeah $16 is a great price
2016-06-27T04:22:04 < jadew> just had an idea on what I could use one of those
2016-06-27T04:22:15 < dongs> emeb_mac: thats what hub75 is
2016-06-27T04:22:19 < dongs> its  that shift-in stuff
2016-06-27T04:22:28 < emeb_mac> dongs: yep - back side looks the same.
2016-06-27T04:22:34 < dongs> https://github.com/Frans-Willem/LEDMatrixHUB75
2016-06-27T04:22:37 < dongs> ^ and this code
2016-06-27T04:23:06 < dongs> Steffanx pasted youtube of result couple days ago but it scrolled off my backlog
2016-06-27T04:23:33 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_Fv_DULgeM
2016-06-27T04:23:37 < dongs> looks like it was this
2016-06-27T04:24:09 < jadew> how many panels are there?
2016-06-27T04:24:19 < dongs> i duno b ut at $15/ea it doesnt matter
2016-06-27T04:24:45 < dongs> i see a small line on the right
2016-06-27T04:24:47 < dongs> maybe its 3 vertically?
2016-06-27T04:24:51 < dongs> 32*3 x 64
2016-06-27T04:24:56 < jadew> so 9
2016-06-27T04:25:13 < Rob235> anyone still waiting on orange cx-30w's? I think they scammed me :/
2016-06-27T04:25:30 < emeb_mac> impressive
2016-06-27T04:26:17 < dongs> jadew: 9 HUB75 32×16 RGB 10mm pitch panels, about €18 each (incl shipping)
2016-06-27T04:26:22 < dongs> yeah looks like 9 from his blog
2016-06-27T04:26:25 < dongs> http://fw.hardijzer.nl/?p=223
2016-06-27T04:26:43 < englishman> hardjizzer
2016-06-27T04:26:59 < jadew> is that Steffanx's blog?
2016-06-27T04:27:09 < dongs> no thats Frans-Willem 's blog
2016-06-27T04:27:35 < englishman> Rob235: still waiting but the transit time is normal
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2016-06-27T04:28:02 < Rob235> how long? It's been over a month for me, still in range but my first got here in 2 weeks
2016-06-27T04:28:16 < dongs> my 2nd batch arrived around same time
2016-06-27T04:28:25 < dongs> i mean, took bout as long as 1st one
2016-06-27T04:28:48 < Rob235> I emailed them and they said they would reship or refund but I wanted to wait a little longer
2016-06-27T04:29:06 < emeb_mac> delay extreme has been delivering *reaally* fast lately
2016-06-27T04:29:15 < emeb_mac> like 3 wks. amaze
2016-06-27T04:29:28 < dongs> delayextreme doesnt really ahve anything original anymore tho?
2016-06-27T04:29:34 < dongs> you can just buy same trash from other taobao resellers
2016-06-27T04:29:36 < emeb_mac> not really
2016-06-27T04:29:37 < dongs> like banggood etc
2016-06-27T04:29:52 < dongs> and their prices arent all that amazing either
2016-06-27T04:29:56 < emeb_mac> true
2016-06-27T04:29:57 < dongs> so theyt gotta step something up
2016-06-27T04:30:03 < dongs> so faster delivery
2016-06-27T04:30:09 < emeb_mac> been going to aliexpress more
2016-06-27T04:30:24 < emeb_mac> they're faster & have wider variety
2016-06-27T04:30:43 < dongs> i just go there to check prices and then buy from adafruit
2016-06-27T04:30:47 < dongs> to support american business owners
2016-06-27T04:30:50 < emeb_mac> lol'
2016-06-27T04:31:24 < emeb_mac> that's a big priority for you in .jp :)
2016-06-27T04:31:49 < englishman> china shit has been 35 days+ for a while now
2016-06-27T04:32:00 < englishman> sometimes its 5day now its not
2016-06-27T04:32:04 < englishman> whatever
2016-06-27T04:32:14 < emeb_mac> dongs: buying from taobao isn't easy - they don't always do int
2016-06-27T04:32:22 < emeb_mac> shippin...
2016-06-27T04:33:38 < dongs> ueah no idea i never bought from there or aliexpress cuz they dont do paypal
2016-06-27T04:33:52 < dongs> i just look at prices and lol
2016-06-27T04:35:12 < dongs> HEH
2016-06-27T04:35:16  * emeb_mac is having a hard time figuring out how you get 9x of 32x64 panels to make 96x48
2016-06-27T04:35:55 < dongs> 192x96, no?
2016-06-27T04:36:06 < dongs> 64*3 x 32 x 3
2016-06-27T04:36:07 < emeb_mac> more like it
2016-06-27T04:36:47 < emeb_mac> bet he needed a huge PSU to drive that
2016-06-27T04:37:46 < dongs> blog said 20A
2016-06-27T04:37:59 < emeb_mac> sounds about right. lots of watts
2016-06-27T04:40:48 < jadew> man... I had so many issues with kicad today
2016-06-27T04:40:52 < jadew> now it's not printing to scale
2016-06-27T04:41:06 < emeb_mac> jadew: that happened to me too
2016-06-27T04:41:23 < jadew> emeb_mac, found a solution?
2016-06-27T04:41:40 < emeb_mac> jadew: not yet
2016-06-27T04:42:00 < emeb_mac> wasn't important - I just exported gerbs
2016-06-27T04:42:18 < jadew> yeah, but I want to check if the footprints match
2016-06-27T04:43:00 < jadew> I guess I could print from gerbers
2016-06-27T04:43:03 < jadew> did that work?
2016-06-27T04:43:15 < emeb_mac> gerbs seem OK
2016-06-27T04:44:31 < jadew> checking now
2016-06-27T04:45:33 < jadew> nope, it's off when I print from gerbers too
2016-06-27T04:45:44 < jadew> I guess I'll just have to do the math and alter the scale
2016-06-27T04:49:06 < emeb_mac> weird
2016-06-27T04:49:17 < dongs> wat was the problme
2016-06-27T04:49:24 < emeb_mac> sure it's not your printer utilities?
2016-06-27T04:49:41 < jadew> success
2016-06-27T04:49:47 < jadew> emeb_mac, don't think so
2016-06-27T04:49:54 < jadew> it used to print properly
2016-06-27T04:50:02 < jadew> I think it's this new version I have now
2016-06-27T04:54:45 < jadew> ffs, I can never find my anti-static wrist strap when I need it
2016-06-27T05:00:34 < emeb_mac> useless
2016-06-27T05:01:03 < jadew> the anti-static wrist strap?
2016-06-27T05:01:23 < emeb_mac> kinda-sorta
2016-06-27T05:01:27 < jadew> I fried a couple of FETs just by touching them
2016-06-27T05:01:30  * emeb_mac rarely uses that
2016-06-27T05:01:47 < emeb_mac> but I've got an anti-stat mat on the bench
2016-06-27T05:01:52 < dongs> if you did that, there was probly something else wrong wiht your ddesign
2016-06-27T05:01:59 < emeb_mac> even grounded!
2016-06-27T05:02:00 < jadew> yeah, I don't use it all the time, but now that I'll handle unmounted and very sensitive ICs, it seems like a good idea
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2016-06-27T05:02:22 < jadew> dongs, I fried them before they were even mounted
2016-06-27T05:02:39 < jadew> emeb_mac, me too
2016-06-27T05:02:58 < jadew> anyway, expensive ICs, not worth the risk
2016-06-27T05:03:03 < emeb_mac> ya
2016-06-27T05:03:26 < emeb_mac> can't say I've ever fried anything w/ static
2016-06-27T05:03:48 < jadew> it was only FETs for me, just two
2016-06-27T05:03:54 < emeb_mac> busted parts usually turn out to be bad circuits or bad programming
2016-06-27T05:04:11 < emeb_mac> or bad soldering
2016-06-27T05:10:25 < Rob235> hmmm
2016-06-27T05:14:30 < Rob235> do they still have yellow?
2016-06-27T05:26:48 < dongs> hm
2016-06-27T05:26:48 < dongs>  fuck
2016-06-27T05:26:52 < dongs> i misplaced a $500 evalboard
2016-06-27T05:29:00 < Rob235> good episode of GoT
2016-06-27T05:30:44 < Rob235> cbf?
2016-06-27T05:31:03 < Rob235> ahh
2016-06-27T05:31:22 < dongs> Rob235: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2016-06-27T05:31:32 < Rob235> you in uk or something? calling a season a series :)
2016-06-27T05:31:41 < Rob235> too bad dongs
2016-06-27T05:32:29 < Rob235> cant use that as a crutch for everything, series just sounds wrong, like a different show
2016-06-27T05:32:51 < Rob235> no it doesnt
2016-06-27T05:33:12 < Rob235> O I thought you meant season sounds like a different show
2016-06-27T05:35:28 < dongs> hello autistic fucks! I just created a new channel for you guys, its called ##fuckoff, please /join there and join the discussion!
2016-06-27T05:35:52 < dongs> you can talk about unfunny american TV all you want
2016-06-27T05:36:10 < dongs> and maybe even suck each other off
2016-06-27T05:39:16 < jadew> has anyone used easyeda before?
2016-06-27T05:39:31 < englishman> huh just got msg from cx30w dude
2016-06-27T05:39:33 < jadew> what's the deal with those prices? seems to cost way less than seeed
2016-06-27T05:39:37 < englishman> unprovoked
2016-06-27T05:40:16 < englishman> The logistics company noted us that your item was lost on the way.
2016-06-27T05:40:16 < englishman> As always, our goal is to help you with your questions as quickly and accurately as possible. In order to protect your right, we could full refund you.
2016-06-27T05:40:23 < englishman> fale
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2016-06-27T05:46:05 < Thorn> https://archive.org/details/JoeDecuirEngineeringNotebook1977
2016-06-27T05:46:48 < Thorn> >Joe Decuir's 1977 engineering notebook from when he worked at Atari, including design concepts (lots on the Atari 2600 and Atari 400/800) feasibility studies, meeting notes, teardown of competing products (such as VIC-20, TI 99/4A)
2016-06-27T05:47:10 < dongs> at least there's a PDF version
2016-06-27T05:47:16 < dongs> in ebtween all those retarded opensores formats
2016-06-27T05:50:48 < emeb_mac> interesting notebook
2016-06-27T05:50:59 < emeb_mac> I've got an Atari 400 - still works
2016-06-27T05:51:04 < Thorn> I need to put CONFIDENTIAL on mine
2016-06-27T05:51:15 < Thorn> to make it look like there's something interesting in it :/
2016-06-27T05:51:30 < emeb_mac> Star Raiders cartridge too - *BEST* damn FPS space game. :)
2016-06-27T05:53:49 < dongs> whatever generated that PDF absolutely rapes chrome PDF viewer
2016-06-27T05:53:53 < dongs> slow as ballz
2016-06-27T06:09:18 < anton02> when you tell DMA to start copying something that doesn't mean you can go off and do other things in the mean time does it? You have to wait for it to finish. It's not like a parallel thread or something.
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2016-06-27T06:11:45 < Thorn> dma works independently of the cpu. unless you have to muck with the same memory/peripheral you certainly can do something else while it's running
2016-06-27T06:11:46 < emeb_mac> you can do anything else.
2016-06-27T06:16:59 < upgrdman> is there any way in c to increment an integer without overflow (stopping at the max value) ? right now im checking against UINT16_MAX before incrementing a uint16_t (etc.) and tempted to put that in a macro, but is there a cleaner/official way to do it
2016-06-27T06:17:51 < ReadError> can you redefine the '++' macro
2016-06-27T06:17:54 < ReadError> or w/e
2016-06-27T06:18:02 < upgrdman> also, is there a way to have the compiler know which MAX to test against, so i wouldnt have to do safe_increment(foo, UINT16_MAX) and could just do safe_increment(foo)
2016-06-27T06:19:11 < Thorn> there're __SSAT() and __USAT() in cmsis afaik
2016-06-27T06:23:31 < Thorn> I see :/
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2016-06-27T06:27:55 < ReadError> upgrdman the ++ magic happens in some function
2016-06-27T06:28:10 < ReadError> change it with checks and shit
2016-06-27T06:28:34 < upgrdman> c, no cpp
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2016-06-27T06:33:24 < dongs> yay found
2016-06-27T06:38:22 < PeterM> emeb_mac taobao has integration for a large number of freight forwarders to australia, which is nice
2016-06-27T06:38:37 < emeb_mac> PeterM: nice
2016-06-27T06:38:38 < PeterM> holy fuck thats a lack of autoscroll
2016-06-27T06:38:51 < PeterM> sorry for necro
2016-06-27T06:40:42 < PeterM> also re places that dont take paypal, get a paypal creditcard, they have fees btu you can still pay from paypal balance
2016-06-27T06:42:11 < englishman> only in trumpmerica
2016-06-27T06:43:25 < PeterM> >implying everyone doesnt have a US paypal account
2016-06-27T06:48:26 < upgrdman> ohsix, the _Sat isn't working for me. maybe the trash gcc included with lpcxpresso doesnt support it :/
2016-06-27T06:48:56 < upgrdman> that or maybe _Sat only works with like int instead of int32_t
2016-06-27T06:57:10 < anton02> does DMA to peripheral work like this? It checks the size of the destination where things are to be copied to. It then looks at the size of the thing you've given it to copy. It then slices it up into this many pieces: GivenSize/DestinationSize = NoOfPieces.
2016-06-27T06:59:10 < upgrdman> hmmm k
2016-06-27T07:07:51 < PeterM> small datasheet for ferrite cores... http://www.ferroxcube.com/FerroxcubeCorporateReception/datasheet/FXC_HB2013.pdf
2016-06-27T07:17:39 < ReadError> 4.7 2014q2/lib/gcc/arm-none-eabi/4.7.4/include/stdfix.h:#define ACCUM_MAX __ACCUM_MAX__
2016-06-27T07:20:06 < ReadError> ya me too but i got like 3 of them
2016-06-27T07:20:09 < ReadError> in the mail
2016-06-27T07:20:14 < ReadError> so i duno
2016-06-27T07:20:40 < ReadError> no motors
2016-06-27T07:27:37 < upgrdman> nice
2016-06-27T07:29:29 < ReadError> least you could add some checks
2016-06-27T07:33:32 < ReadError> yea
2016-06-27T07:34:19 < ReadError> few weeks atleast
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2016-06-27T07:36:45 < ReadError> has anyone figured out the video ?
2016-06-27T07:36:50 < ReadError> can you use vlc
2016-06-27T07:36:58 < dongs> wat
2016-06-27T07:37:05 < dongs> autism?
2016-06-27T07:37:21 < ReadError> dongs china 6$ zano
2016-06-27T07:37:35 < dongs> ive looked at it
2016-06-27T07:37:38 < dongs> its not standard stuff
2016-06-27T07:37:42 < dongs> also packet to request video is huge
2016-06-27T07:37:47 < dongs> and obviously crypted
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2016-06-27T07:38:03 < ReadError> lame
2016-06-27T07:38:23 < ReadError> im not putting that software on my real phone either
2016-06-27T07:38:32 < ReadError> shits sketchy as fuck
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2016-06-27T07:54:39 < dongs> cool
2016-06-27T07:55:48 < dongs> heh
2016-06-27T07:58:27 < emeb_mac> dongs: any suggestions for a rotary binary switch?
2016-06-27T07:58:38 < emeb_mac> need 1of8 or 1of16
2016-06-27T07:58:55 < emeb_mac> but they're all either too small or too expensive
2016-06-27T07:59:44 < emeb_mac> yeah
2016-06-27T07:59:53 < dongs> rotary?
2016-06-27T07:59:57 < dongs> i bought a million of htem in china
2016-06-27T07:59:59 < dongs> for like $0.10
2016-06-27T08:00:25 < dongs> 26	rotary dip switch 8pin	0 （flat type）	410	$1.00 	$410.00
2016-06-27T08:00:27 < dongs> h no
2016-06-27T08:00:29 < dongs> $1/ea
2016-06-27T08:00:52 < emeb_mac> most I've found are like dip switches but with a short knob
2016-06-27T08:01:02 < ds2> you need panel mount?
2016-06-27T08:01:25 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/daGKQ6J.png emeb_mac < these are mine
2016-06-27T08:01:33 < dongs> is that the thing you mean?
2016-06-27T08:01:43 < dongs> (left one, obivously)
2016-06-27T08:01:56 < emeb_mac> that's the stuff I'm finding @ DK/Mouser
2016-06-27T08:02:06 < dongs> i jsut showed pic to chinagirl and she delivered
2016-06-27T08:02:10 < emeb_mac> need something with a knob on it that doesn't need a screwdriver
2016-06-27T08:02:13 < dongs> oh
2016-06-27T08:02:15 < dongs> yeah those exist too
2016-06-27T08:02:20 < dongs> i specifically asked for knobless.
2016-06-27T08:02:27 < dongs> there's same thing with a little grab knob.
2016-06-27T08:02:44 < emeb_mac> there's some on ali but they're like $15
2016-06-27T08:02:52 < emeb_mac> and *huge&
2016-06-27T08:05:23 < dongs> http://www.doc-diy.net/photo/smatrig21/images/smatrig2_switches_600.jpg
2016-06-27T08:05:25 < dongs> like the 3rd one
2016-06-27T08:05:56 < dongs> emeb_mac: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/taiwanese-ripoff/32611658852.html you can thank me later
2016-06-27T08:06:21 < dongs> btw its rotary dip switch
2016-06-27T08:06:39 < emeb_mac> dongs: heh - yeah. those are also available @ DK/Mouser
2016-06-27T08:06:55 < dongs> thats what you want right?
2016-06-27T08:06:59 < dongs> or do you want right angle shit
2016-06-27T08:06:59 < emeb_mac> someone also makes 'em with longer knobs
2016-06-27T08:07:04 < dongs> yes
2016-06-27T08:07:14 < emeb_mac> and bigger knobs that are more finger-friendly
2016-06-27T08:07:23 < dongs> not seen bigger knobs
2016-06-27T08:07:27 < dongs> only these kind
2016-06-27T08:07:31 < dongs> why d o you need user firendly
2016-06-27T08:07:33 < dongs> for such device
2016-06-27T08:09:22 < emeb_mac> dongs: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Apem/PT65503/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsfGXvUAbE5P77o%252bw6vaF%2fJkM7TbLN7lPU%3d
2016-06-27T08:11:04 < dongs> emeb_mac: thats an actual knob on top of smaller thing
2016-06-27T08:11:09 < dongs> lol @ that price btw
2016-06-27T08:11:19 < emeb_mac> yeah
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2016-06-27T08:11:45 < emeb_mac> be cheaper just to put a pot on a PIC12
2016-06-27T08:12:09 < emeb_mac> or STM32F030
2016-06-27T08:12:26 < dongs> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/get-scammed/32412322642.html
2016-06-27T08:12:44 < emeb_mac> gah!
2016-06-27T08:13:04 < dongs> is that fail?
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2016-06-27T08:25:57 < dongs> emeb_mac: http://www.doc-diy.net/photo/smatrig21/images/smatrig2_switches_600.jpg basedf on this pic, that "knob" just fits into the regular no-bump dip switch
2016-06-27T08:28:08 < dongs> something is fucked
2016-06-27T08:28:18 < dongs> my dumb LCD 3d cube demo is running at like 0.01FPS
2016-06-27T08:28:24 < dongs> and i ahvent touched that code since 2012
2016-06-27T08:28:32 < dongs> just hooked up LCD to new -discovery board
2016-06-27T08:28:35 < dongs> received fail
2016-06-27T08:28:36 < dongs> wtf.
2016-06-27T08:30:32 < dongs> wonder if this -discuntvery is fucked
2016-06-27T08:32:08 < dongs> popquiz: F429I-DISCO LCD: SPI or parallel?
2016-06-27T08:33:47 < dongs> aww fuck
2016-06-27T08:33:49 < dongs> not only is it not SPI
2016-06-27T08:34:09 < dongs> its really parallel 18bit
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2016-06-27T08:36:27 < emeb_mac> blech
2016-06-27T08:37:20 < dongs> did you see my knobpic
2016-06-27T08:39:46 < dongs> k i think i just had to downclock the SPI a lot
2016-06-27T08:39:51 < dongs> since this is agarbage controller
2016-06-27T08:39:54 < dongs> and i ahve it running over thin wires
2016-06-27T08:43:11 < emeb_mac> dongs: yeah
2016-06-27T08:43:35 < emeb_mac> think I'm gonna blow off the switch & use an f030 + pot
2016-06-27T08:43:43 < emeb_mac> got a rail of 'em for cheap
2016-06-27T08:44:19 < dongs> lmao
2016-06-27T08:44:28 < dongs> for a one off that certainly works
2016-06-27T08:44:39 < dongs> why not go big and do rotary encoder + F030
2016-06-27T08:45:04 < dongs> or you need like endstops
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2016-06-27T08:46:17 < emeb_mac> dongs: would be a plus to make it voltage controllable so summing the pot w/ external input voltage
2016-06-27T08:46:59 < dongs> sounds like you didnt need a rotary dip switch to begin wiht!
2016-06-27T08:47:08 < dongs> you DONG
2016-06-27T08:47:13 < dongs> ^_-
2016-06-27T08:47:19 < emeb_mac> dongs: rotary sw would have been the ghetto approach
2016-06-27T08:47:35 < emeb_mac> but that seems like it's hardly cheaper and more hassle
2016-06-27T08:47:48 < dongs> ah kay
2016-06-27T08:48:38 < emeb_mac> some silly synth stuff.
2016-06-27T08:48:56 < emeb_mac> got a chip that needs a 4-bit binary input to select operation mode
2016-06-27T08:49:18 < emeb_mac> 1 of 16
2016-06-27T08:49:22 < emeb_mac> hex
2016-06-27T09:00:42 < dongs> http://vfd-fun.blogspot.jp/2016/01/romvfd.html lo
2016-06-27T09:01:11 < dongs> chinks have a 6pin SOT23-6 with jappu font inside
2016-06-27T09:01:18 < dongs> accessible spiesque way
2016-06-27T09:02:18 < emeb_mac> vfd - so retro
2016-06-27T09:06:33 < emeb_mac> also very retro
2016-06-27T09:06:41 < emeb_mac> and too big for my application
2016-06-27T09:06:46 < dongs> wat is
2016-06-27T09:06:47 < dongs> VFD?
2016-06-27T09:07:02 < emeb_mac> ancient thumbwheel BCD switches
2016-06-27T09:07:10 < dongs> sounds like autism in progress
2016-06-27T09:13:17 < upgrdman> more lpc1768 wtf'ery. i2c status is a 5-bit code, with a table of enumated values.
2016-06-27T09:13:34 < upgrdman> because i guess they were short on bits? wtf is this shit.
2016-06-27T09:13:50 < dongs> lol LPC
2016-06-27T09:14:39 < upgrdman> well a sane periph would have like a bit for arb loss, a bit for nack, etc
2016-06-27T09:15:02 < dongs> hmm
2016-06-27T09:15:18 < dongs> http://www.genitop.com/Products/index_348.html this is nice but i cant find any unicode versions part#s
2016-06-27T09:15:19 < upgrdman> but lpc... no no no, fuck you. you get to look up a code in a table. because fuck you.
2016-06-27T09:15:40 < dongs> is it 5 bits and just 0, 1, 2,3 ,4 etc lookup?
2016-06-27T09:16:11 < dongs> if its only 5 bits can you just make a sparse table, and go to it by index?
2016-06-27T09:16:35 < dongs> int results[] = { foo, undefined,undeifned, bar, baz, undefined, undefined }; or wahtever
2016-06-27T09:16:45 < dongs> just make an entry for bits taht make sense
2016-06-27T09:16:51 < upgrdman> oh it fucking gets better. for some reason they left two states out of the error table and turned them in paragraphs
2016-06-27T09:16:53 < upgrdman> "There are two I2STAT codes that do not correspond to a defined I 2 C hardware state (see
2016-06-27T09:16:53 < upgrdman> Table 403). These are discussed below."
2016-06-27T09:17:59 < upgrdman> dongs, ya i know but like bits would be cleaning
2016-06-27T09:17:59 < upgrdman> cleaner
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2016-06-27T09:23:18 < dongs> upgrdman: how are you displaying chink shit
2016-06-27T09:23:23 < dongs> on your LPC screen
2016-06-27T09:23:33 < upgrdman> ?
2016-06-27T09:23:39 < dongs> chink fonts are huge
2016-06-27T09:23:53 < upgrdman> i cant read them anyway, excpet for the simple ones
2016-06-27T09:24:01 < dongs> thats good, but how do you display them
2016-06-27T09:24:03 < upgrdman> i do everything in english
2016-06-27T09:24:32 < dongs> your product/shit/whatever has a GLCD?
2016-06-27T09:24:36 < dongs> or is it just headless thing
2016-06-27T09:25:36 < upgrdman> where are you getting lcd from
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2016-06-27T09:26:26 < dongs> anywhere
2016-06-27T09:26:28 < dongs> im asking
2016-06-27T09:26:37 < upgrdman> well we would write to it in englihs
2016-06-27T09:26:41 < dongs> 1) does your shit have LCD attached 2) if it d oes, doe sit d isplay chink fonts
2016-06-27T09:26:45 < dongs> oh
2016-06-27T09:26:48 < upgrdman> because people with money to spend want englihs
2016-06-27T09:26:50 < dongs> no chink fonts on lcd?
2016-06-27T09:26:50 < dongs> meh
2016-06-27T09:26:54 < upgrdman> english even
2016-06-27T09:27:08 < upgrdman> i suppose we could, but like no valuable customers want it
2016-06-27T09:27:24 < jpa-> so upgrdman is the one who makes all these products with user interface in englihs
2016-06-27T09:27:33 < upgrdman> :)
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2016-06-27T10:01:21 < upgrdman> dongs, re: lcd, most of the our products were old school shits. 8051 + 7seg's. that's part of where i come in, working on the next generation. for 7seg's they just show a number in normal number, and sticker label it in whatever language.
2016-06-27T10:03:45 < dongs> haha
2016-06-27T10:04:14 < pillsquad> fucken stoners
2016-06-27T10:04:26 < dongs> not enough keil
2016-06-27T10:05:59 < pillsquad> ayy lmao
2016-06-27T10:06:38 < dongs> GT23L16U2Y thats it
2016-06-27T10:07:17 < pillsquad> googled it, fucken opens the flood gates to shenzhen
2016-06-27T10:07:48 < dongs> lul
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2016-06-27T10:13:54 < PeterM> wait
2016-06-27T10:13:56 < PeterM> dafuck
2016-06-27T10:13:59 < PeterM> tpg dialup
2016-06-27T10:14:09 < dongs> dial lol
2016-06-27T10:14:10 < PeterM> WHAT YEAR IS IT?
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2016-06-27T10:16:05 < mitrax_> 1997
2016-06-27T10:17:13 < pillsquad> no
2016-06-27T10:17:17 < pillsquad> tpg dumbcunt
2016-06-27T10:17:23 < pillsquad> this is adsl2
2016-06-27T10:17:46 < pillsquad> my dynamic tpg used to say 'static'
2016-06-27T10:17:56 < pillsquad> this was 4 yrs ago mate
2016-06-27T10:18:21 < pillsquad> i'm farken fixing a KENWOOD CHEF
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2016-06-27T10:19:06 < pillsquad> my greek mate's mother, "farken emmanuel take it to ya mate fixit"
2016-06-27T10:19:22 < mitrax_> ahahaha
2016-06-27T10:19:36 < pillsquad> they're a good mixer, go on ebay for $500
2016-06-27T10:22:56 < PeterM> nar bs curt, shit was either static.tpgi.com.au or dynamic.tpgi.com.au for adsl dialup is fukken dialup bro.
2016-06-27T10:23:24 < pillsquad> do i have to rig a dog for ya
2016-06-27T10:24:04 < PeterM> i dunno, i wouldn't bother, it'd take too long on that dialup of yours
2016-06-27T10:24:39 < pillsquad> http://beta.speedtest.net/result/5434120454
2016-06-27T10:24:58 < pillsquad> that's my GAYdsl
2016-06-27T10:25:40 < pillsquad> NOW EXCUSE ME WHILE I PISS INTO A PIGGYBANK
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2016-06-27T11:10:37 < dongs> fuckin trash, at least I didn't waste more than 10 mins on this
2016-06-27T11:10:46 < bong> ?
2016-06-27T11:10:47 < dongs> another forgotten StructInit() thing with random data
2016-06-27T11:11:00 < dongs> didn't do GPIO_StructInit() before changing stuff
2016-06-27T11:11:03 < dongs> ended up with unusable ports
2016-06-27T11:11:04 < dongs> haueehuaah
2016-06-27T11:11:06 < jpa-> classic
2016-06-27T11:11:41 < jpa-> i have a habit of writing = {}; everywhere.. zero init is what one would usually want anyway
2016-06-27T11:12:19 < dongs> ya
2016-06-27T11:12:29 < dongs> i think i had Otype initailiaseed to  something else
2016-06-27T11:12:43 < dongs> AF_ output pins ended up looking like something was fighting pulling them other way
2016-06-27T11:12:47 < jpa-> i hate how thats gccism and standard needs = {0}; or other crap
2016-06-27T11:12:49 < dongs> or amybe tehy were set to OD or something
2016-06-27T11:12:53 < dongs> a wat?
2016-06-27T11:13:00 < dongs> struct foo = { 0, };
2016-06-27T11:13:03 < dongs> is the correct way
2016-06-27T11:13:10 < jpa-> yeah, in gcc you can do   = {};
2016-06-27T11:13:14 < dongs> sorry to hear that
2016-06-27T11:13:20 < jpa-> which works even if the first member is a struct/array
2016-06-27T11:21:10 < dongs> heh this china LCD is completetrash
2016-06-27T11:21:25 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/qoIQCa38.html
2016-06-27T11:21:27 < dongs> i had to do this
2016-06-27T11:21:39 < dongs> and sometimes it takes several SECONDS! to get it to spew proper shit out
2016-06-27T11:26:00 < anton02> why did I have to change ((u16)0xFFFF) to ((uint16_t)0xFFFF)
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2016-06-27T11:26:43 < dongs> because fucktards can't use stdint.h
2016-06-27T11:29:00 < anton02> no, the problem is that they DID use that
2016-06-27T11:29:50 < bong> well
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2016-06-27T11:31:11 < dongs> ??????????????
2016-06-27T11:31:16 < dongs> uint16_t is standard
2016-06-27T11:31:21 < dongs> u16 is not
2016-06-27T11:32:15 < anton02> well i 'included' that shit and it stopped complaining
2016-06-27T11:32:41 < anton02> it wasn't me
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2016-06-27T11:45:02 < dongs> hmm really what the hell this lcd is dumb
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2016-06-27T11:54:27 < dongs> wtf it took 30 seconds this time
2016-06-27T11:58:26 < dongs> hmm what the fuck
2016-06-27T12:00:30 < dongs> oh ahahah
2016-06-27T12:00:40 < dongs> i forgot there was the fucking touchscreen ic on there
2016-06-27T12:00:48 < dongs> and i floated touchscreen CS pin
2016-06-27T12:00:56 < dongs> literally floating on the desk
2016-06-27T12:01:06 < dongs> so it was fighting wiht LCD init/comms
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2016-06-27T12:11:11 < anton02> jadew = dajew
2016-06-27T12:11:53 < jadew> oh snap, didn't hear that before
2016-06-27T12:11:57 < dongs> wow, new2me
2016-06-27T12:12:04 < jadew> lol
2016-06-27T12:12:06 < dongs> irl chuckled
2016-06-27T12:12:21 < jadew> I know, poorly picked nickname
2016-06-27T12:12:25 < jadew> I'll change it soon
2016-06-27T12:12:30 < Fleck> ;p
2016-06-27T12:12:35 < dongs> as long as you don't c hange it to ohsix or something similar its fine
2016-06-27T12:12:51 < jadew> I'm gonna grow up and use my real name
2016-06-27T12:13:48 < jpa-> mr. wait what?
2016-06-27T12:14:19 < jadew> NaveenNeerajAbhinav
2016-06-27T12:14:37 < jadew> Rishabh
2016-06-27T12:15:34 < jadew> http://fantasynamegenerators.com/hindu_names.php#.V3Durih95EZ
2016-06-27T12:16:21 < dongs> lookg like spyware url
2016-06-27T12:16:28 < dongs> #.V3 = tracking shit
2016-06-27T12:16:44 < jadew> you have something against tracking?
2016-06-27T12:16:55 < dongs> when its in URL yea
2016-06-27T12:17:04 < dongs> &utm_campaign=FUCK_YOU
2016-06-27T12:17:20 < jadew> heh
2016-06-27T12:17:32 < jadew> http://fantasynamegenerators.com/hindu_names.php
2016-06-27T12:17:52 < jadew> ohsix, what are you asking me about?
2016-06-27T12:19:03 < jadew> I'm curious now
2016-06-27T12:22:39 < jadew> ohsix, funny video
2016-06-27T12:22:47 < jadew> I thought you're asking me about the leads or something
2016-06-27T12:23:35 < jadew> good troll video if that's what you're asking
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2016-06-27T12:29:44 < dongs> upgrdman: you just missed my SPI LCD trollstory
2016-06-27T12:30:34 < jadew> ohsix, yeah, I've seen some of his videos before
2016-06-27T12:30:39 < upgrdman> retroll plz
2016-06-27T12:31:11 < upgrdman> ohsix, who
2016-06-27T12:31:25 < jadew> ohsix, machining channels seem to get quite a lot of subscribers
2016-06-27T12:31:31 < jadew> wood working ones too
2016-06-27T12:32:01 < dongs> upgrdman: pretty funny shit. was getting random time (up to 30+ seconds) to get ILI9320-style LCD to return correct ID. wtf for a while, it would work sometimes instantly, sometimes forever to init. added while(id != required) to track how long it takes. anyway, then I remembered there was touchscreen IC on same SPI bus, and i had its CS floating :D
2016-06-27T12:32:34 < upgrdman> dongs, nice
2016-06-27T12:32:36 < dongs> looking at scope at SPI_MISO half the bits would be 3.3V the other half would be randomly 1/2 VCC
2016-06-27T12:32:51 < dongs> so the touchscreen trash was fighting back with some junk during init
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2016-06-27T12:42:53 < dongs> Laurenceb__: are there riots yet
2016-06-27T12:43:09 < dongs> /b/rexit riots
2016-06-27T12:43:10 < Laurenceb__> nope :(
2016-06-27T12:43:12 < dongs> aw
2016-06-27T12:45:19 < Laurenceb__> looking forward to helping evict Poles
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2016-06-27T12:47:32 < jadew> nothing will change in that regard
2016-06-27T12:47:48 < Steffanx> Did some polander take your job laurenceb__?
2016-06-27T12:48:04 < anton02> how do you find the memory location of PORT F?
2016-06-27T12:48:21 < Laurenceb__> Steffanx: nope I just enjoy violence
2016-06-27T12:48:22 < jpa-> &GPIOF
2016-06-27T12:48:35 < jpa-> (you probably want something like &GPIOF->ODR or similar)
2016-06-27T12:48:41 < upgrdman> ref man
2016-06-27T12:49:40 < anton02> how about PWM_TIMER_CHANNEL? will that give me the address of port F?
2016-06-27T12:49:50 < dongs> wut
2016-06-27T12:51:17 < jpa-> of course it will, that's why it is called PWM_TIMER_CHANNEL and not "address of GPIOF"
2016-06-27T12:51:50 < upgrdman> beaky02
2016-06-27T12:52:04 < dongs> haha
2016-06-27T12:52:28 < Steffanx> Lol.
2016-06-27T12:52:34 < jadew> poor beaky
2016-06-27T12:52:47 < jadew> he managed to become famous on several channels
2016-06-27T12:52:55 < dongs> oh?
2016-06-27T12:52:58 < dongs> more than just this one?
2016-06-27T12:53:00 < jpa-> did someone finally stab him?
2016-06-27T12:53:01 < jadew> of course
2016-06-27T12:53:15 < Steffanx> Hes still online.
2016-06-27T12:53:29 < dongs> doubt hes smart enough for ipb6
2016-06-27T12:53:35 < Laurenceb__> lul I'm still banned from ##electronics
2016-06-27T12:53:36 < jadew> haha
2016-06-27T12:53:44 < jadew> Laurenceb__, what did you do?
2016-06-27T12:53:51 < Laurenceb__> supported brexit
2016-06-27T12:54:10 < anton02> well in this line of code he has that and he's writing to a GPIO port                   HAL_TIM_PWM_Start_DMA(&timHandle, PWM_TIMER_CHANNEL, LED_BYTE_Buffer, buffersize);
2016-06-27T12:54:17 < dongs> ..
2016-06-27T12:54:20 < jpa-> < smeding> Laurenceb__: yo, no one cares about your xenophobe bullshit, stop trying to insert it into the discussion
2016-06-27T12:54:25 < dongs> anton02: its called a #define
2016-06-27T12:54:33 < jpa-> lol, Laurenceb__ was probrexit?
2016-06-27T12:54:34 < jadew> shaming hour: [12:50.30] <dongs> anyone know off the top of their head what MHz SPI is runnong on arduino due?
2016-06-27T12:54:35 < Laurenceb__> epic lulz
2016-06-27T12:54:46 < dongs> jadew: i was gonna ask in here but figured nobody knew
2016-06-27T12:54:53 < jadew> hehe
2016-06-27T12:54:58 < jadew> making some shield for arduino?
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2016-06-27T12:55:10 < dongs> then I looked at https://www.arduino.cc/en/Reference/SPISetClockDivider
2016-06-27T12:55:19 < jpa-> anton02: that's configuring the timer, and probably some local #define anyway
2016-06-27T12:55:43 < dongs> i need to figure out the least amount of work needed to reconfigure SPI clock speed
2016-06-27T12:55:48 < dongs> without re-filling SPI_InitStruct
2016-06-27T12:56:11 < dongs> hgm looks like its all in CR1
2016-06-27T12:56:13 < jadew> just set the appropriate registers
2016-06-27T12:56:32 < jpa-> dongs: remember to disable it while reconfiging, it'll go anton02-level of crazy if you don't
2016-06-27T12:56:43 < jpa-> like suddenly all your SPI transfers are 11 bits long :)
2016-06-27T12:56:51 < dongs> jpa-: thats what I d ont wanna do :(
2016-06-27T12:57:09 < jpa-> why not?
2016-06-27T12:57:19 < dongs> extra annoyance
2016-06-27T12:57:24 < jadew> probably planning for example code?
2016-06-27T12:57:24 < jpa-> just one bit to clear
2016-06-27T12:57:28 < anton02> well he has this so I guess that must in turn link his GPIO port to that timer. gpioInit.Alternate = GPIO_AF2_TIM3;
2016-06-27T12:57:48 < jpa-> anton02: nope
2016-06-27T12:58:02 < dongs> time to read the fucking refman
2016-06-27T12:58:13 < anton02> there's no HAL stuff in here
2016-06-27T12:58:16 < anton02> there*
2016-06-27T12:58:47 < jadew> real men use the registry directly anyway
2016-06-27T12:58:59 < jpa-> anton02: he's not doing DMA to GPIO, he's doing DMA to timer, and timer output to GPIO
2016-06-27T12:59:00 < dongs> jpa-: if I disable, mask out SPIx_BR[2:0], set it, enable
2016-06-27T12:59:02 < dongs> is that all I need?
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2016-06-27T12:59:10 < jpa-> dongs: yeah
2016-06-27T12:59:19 < dongs> :\
2016-06-27T12:59:21 < anton02> jpa-, oh, i see
2016-06-27T12:59:45 < dongs> does libopenaidsstm32 do something like that
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2016-06-27T13:00:59 < jpa-> https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/blob/master/lib/stm32/common/spi_common_l1f124.c#L94  yeah, it disables it first
2016-06-27T13:01:23 < jpa-> err hmm
2016-06-27T13:01:28 < jpa-> that's all to temp reg
2016-06-27T13:01:28 < dongs> thats just init
2016-06-27T13:01:41 < dongs> thats a lot of writes
2016-06-27T13:01:45 < dongs> i wanna just change speed
2016-06-27T13:01:53 < jpa-> nope, just one write and then a second one to enable it back
2016-06-27T13:02:02 < dongs> yea but calculations
2016-06-27T13:02:08 < dongs> |=
2016-06-27T13:02:10 < dongs> 's
2016-06-27T13:02:33 < jpa-> well it's just values, you can mask it if you want
2016-06-27T13:03:17 < dongs> lol that file
2016-06-27T13:03:19 < dongs> so simple
2016-06-27T13:03:23 < dongs> ike 3 functions
2016-06-27T13:03:35 < dongs> do i need to disable for 16bit dff?
2016-06-27T13:04:03 < dongs> Note: This bit should be written only when SPI is disabled (SPE = ‘0’) for correct operation.
2016-06-27T13:04:07 < dongs> lols.
2016-06-27T13:04:08 < dongs> go libopencm3
2016-06-27T13:04:40 < dongs> Note: These bits should not be changed when communication is ongoing.
2016-06-27T13:04:41 < dongs> err
2016-06-27T13:05:02 < dongs> so i should wait for TXE/RXNE or whatever?
2016-06-27T13:08:54 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/rPJLpl56.html
2016-06-27T13:09:05 < dongs> err, forgot to write tmpreg->CR1
2016-06-27T13:09:16 < dongs> i sould probly combine enable w/speed setting
2016-06-27T13:18:44 < jpa-> since being bit by the crazy-spi, i've just done three operations to be sure
2016-06-27T13:18:58 < dongs> haha
2016-06-27T13:19:11 < dongs> you mean just direct |='s to CR1?
2016-06-27T13:20:18 < anton02> is it possible to sync two SPI channels so you can have two wires that send out data as opposed to just one?
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2016-06-27T13:20:57 < jpa-> something like    SPI1->CR1 &= ~SPI_CR1_SPE; SPI1->CR1 = (my_new_config_because_i'm_pro_enough_to_hardcode_it_all); SPI1->CR1 |= SPI_CR1_SPE;
2016-06-27T13:21:21 < jpa-> anton02: by externally looping back the clock line, or by using quadspi peripheral
2016-06-27T13:21:24 < dongs> jpa, yeah meh
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2016-06-27T13:24:56 < anton02> is there any necessity to use DMA with SPI or is it already faster than bit banging?
2016-06-27T13:25:39 < Lux> dongs: http://bcas.tv/paste/results/RhCXKl89.html
2016-06-27T13:25:44 < Lux> might be helpful
2016-06-27T13:25:48 < Lux> did that some time ago
2016-06-27T13:26:13 < Lux> there are some global vars used, but it should be clear though
2016-06-27T13:26:18 < Lux> and it's for f4
2016-06-27T13:27:08 < dongs> yeah, i know the normal dumb way of doing it
2016-06-27T13:27:11 < dongs> just global SPI_INitStruct
2016-06-27T13:27:14 < dongs> and change .speed or whatever
2016-06-27T13:27:16 < dongs> and SPI_Init
2016-06-27T13:27:23 < dongs> im trying to do it less retarded waty
2016-06-27T13:27:28 < Lux> not what i pasted
2016-06-27T13:27:45 < dongs> oh, you did t he bits thing acutgally k
2016-06-27T13:27:46 < Lux> it just sets the regs and calculates the baudrate <= the set one
2016-06-27T13:28:06 < dongs> whats BR_BITS_MASK set to?
2016-06-27T13:28:08 < dongs> is it 0x38?
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2016-06-27T13:28:19 < Lux> yep
2016-06-27T13:28:22 < dongs> hm
2016-06-27T13:28:22 < dongs> wtf
2016-06-27T13:28:28 < dongs> i did that same thing and its not doing shit
2016-06-27T13:28:32 < Lux> #define BR_BITS_MASK 0x0038
2016-06-27T13:28:35 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-27T13:28:52 < anton02> why can i only count 3 pairs of miso/mosi here? shouldn't there be four? http://i.imgur.com/l5ulmc3.jpg
2016-06-27T13:30:04 < Lux> did you check if the spi is still running ?
2016-06-27T13:30:11 < dongs> k lets see
2016-06-27T13:30:11 < dongs> no
2016-06-27T13:30:14 < Lux> dunno if you can change it while stuff is going on
2016-06-27T13:30:14 < dongs> but it souldnt be
2016-06-27T13:30:17 < dongs> y ou canty
2016-06-27T13:30:24 < dongs> k works
2016-06-27T13:30:30 < dongs> i think i had some copypaste typo before
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2016-06-27T13:36:29 < anton02> so do i only have tri-SPI?
2016-06-27T13:37:16 < dongs> lol
2016-06-27T13:37:25 < dongs> there's no QSPI peripheral on F407
2016-06-27T13:37:36 < dongs> oh never fuckingf mind
2016-06-27T13:37:41 < dongs> its F746 disco
2016-06-27T13:37:45 < dongs> what the hell are you doing mannnnnnnnnnnnn
2016-06-27T13:37:51 < dongs> just port that Frans-Willem code to HAL
2016-06-27T13:37:54 < dongs> stop wasting time
2016-06-27T13:40:55 < dongs> jpa-: urrite, enabling SPE together with other bits doenst work
2016-06-27T13:40:56 < dongs> lol
2016-06-27T13:41:01 < dongs> what crazy trash
2016-06-27T13:42:15 < jpa-> libopencm3 seems to disable SPE together with other bits and then enable SPE alone, i wonder if that works
2016-06-27T13:43:17 < dongs> mhm, perhaps
2016-06-27T13:44:13 < dongs> yep
2016-06-27T13:44:16 < dongs> i'll keep that.
2016-06-27T13:44:54 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/mpGeiD34.html ended up with this
2016-06-27T13:45:15 < PaulFertser> karlp: btw, that new Iceland president, what he's after? I wasn't able to find his platform in English in reasonable time.
2016-06-27T13:45:28 < anton02> to be honest, I've already finished my code, it just doesn't work. It's somewhere from line 187 upwards that is the problem http://ideone.com/P2btPE
2016-06-27T13:45:55 < upgrdman> fucking cn. my net connection can barely support irc right now, even reading text web pages is ~fucked.
2016-06-27T13:46:03 < jpa-> "I've already finished my code, it just doesn't work."   i'll steal this
2016-06-27T13:46:27 < dongs> anton02: are you driving WS2812 or those HUB75 panels?
2016-06-27T13:46:36 < dongs> jpa-: the line number is even funnier
2016-06-27T13:46:40 < upgrdman> geee... let fire up WinMTR and see why. oh. 95% packet loss at the cn international link
2016-06-27T13:46:40 < dongs> its basically main() and below
2016-06-27T13:46:45 < anton02> hub75. forgot to delete those commments
2016-06-27T13:47:06 < dongs> "hi, my code doens't work, the error is somewhere after main()"
2016-06-27T13:47:20 < jpa-> also those pin inits..
2016-06-27T13:47:27 < dongs> thats jus cube trash i think
2016-06-27T13:47:29 < dongs> autogen'd
2016-06-27T13:47:40 < anton02> dongs, i said upwards, not downwards
2016-06-27T13:47:47 < dongs> close enough
2016-06-27T13:47:58 < anton02> i've tested everything below that and it works
2016-06-27T13:48:10 < knielsen> dongs: You are doing more reads than you need to (and it sounded like that mattered for you?) If you you a temporary, you won't need to read SPI2->CR1 more than once, you can keep the value in register...
2016-06-27T13:49:01 < dongs> knielsen: really? where does it read more than once?
2016-06-27T13:49:08 < dongs> |= SPE must be separate
2016-06-27T13:49:26 < dongs> also doesn't it only read on &=
2016-06-27T13:49:35 < dongs> |= should be just set bit?
2016-06-27T13:49:43 < knielsen> dongs: SPI2->CR1 |= xxx neads to read first then write, because it's a volatile
2016-06-27T13:50:30 < dongs> right, but again, the SPE enable write must be separate
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2016-06-27T13:50:39 < dongs> and disable also separate
2016-06-27T13:50:41 < knielsen> so it'll be like ld r1, [r2]; or r1, r1, xxx; st r1, [r2] (or something, my arm asm is rusty)
2016-06-27T13:50:45 < dongs> lets see
2016-06-27T13:51:24 < knielsen> yeah, better check the disassembly to be sure...
2016-06-27T13:51:34 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/Ql4qgc41.html
2016-06-27T13:52:01 < dongs> yeahm ldr , orr, str
2016-06-27T13:53:10 < jpa-> you could do    tmp = SPI2->CR1; tmp &= ~mask; SPI2->CR1 = tmp; SPI2->CR1 = tmp | newbaud;
2016-06-27T13:53:42 < knielsen> so just use a temporary: tmp = SPI2->CR1 & ~((uint16_t)0x0038 | SPI_CR1_SPE); SPI2->CR1 = tmp; tmp |= prescaler; SPI2->CR1 = tmp; SPI2->CR1 = tmp | SPI_CR1_SPE
2016-06-27T13:53:51 < dongs> yeah iw as just tpying that
2016-06-27T13:53:55 < dongs> tryin out
2016-06-27T13:55:17 < dongs> knielsen: the SPE must be enabled by itself
2016-06-27T13:55:20 < dongs> so i cant avoid taht one
2016-06-27T13:55:45 < knielsen> right, just the extra loads can be avoided
2016-06-27T13:56:04  * knielsen wonders what's with the MOV r1,r2 the compiler is doing?
2016-06-27T13:56:57 < jpa-> not every compiler can be as smart as gcc
2016-06-27T13:57:07 < knielsen> hehe
2016-06-27T13:57:21 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/Ay7Vi937.html
2016-06-27T13:57:22 < dongs> nice
2016-06-27T13:57:30 < dongs> knielsen: its O0
2016-06-27T13:57:45 < knielsen> ah, makes sense
2016-06-27T13:58:18 < knielsen> looks great
2016-06-27T13:58:42 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/VMuH8A51.html O3 of ^
2016-06-27T13:58:49 < dongs> just nop removed, otehrwise same
2016-06-27T13:59:08 < dongs> and better thing for while() wait
2016-06-27T14:01:06 < karlp> PaulFertser: "being nice" is all really. I didn't vote for him.
2016-06-27T14:04:01 < PaulFertser> karlp: well, I didn't imply you did :) It's just strange that I couldn't find any details about his political and economical views. Also, a real professor winning presidential elections is an unusual event.
2016-06-27T14:04:24 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/ZfYOM469.html
2016-06-27T14:04:26 < dongs> actaully this works
2016-06-27T14:06:31 < anton02> why are you doing arm in assembly
2016-06-27T14:07:24 < knielsen> dongs: did you try without disable/enable? Refman says not to change prescaler while communication is going, but not that disabling is required (or what MCU, I was looking in STM32F407 refman)
2016-06-27T14:07:54 < knielsen> (not that a couple extra stores is necessarily a big deal :)
2016-06-27T14:09:05 < karlp> PaulFertser: slightly odd campaign honestly, but not really relevant here.  very much remains to be seen where he'll try and be active.  last pres (IMO) changed that forever, I don't believe any pres here will be figurehead only any more.
2016-06-27T14:09:24 < karlp> more importantly, today we give england brexit 2.0, send them home from france.
2016-06-27T14:11:05 < dongs> knielsen: refman definitely says dont change speed or  dff while peripheral is enabled
2016-06-27T14:11:17 < dongs> (or any registers under SPI->CR1, really)
2016-06-27T14:13:41 < dongs> time to enable DMA for large transfers.
2016-06-27T14:15:39 < knielsen> my copy of STM32F40xxx says: Bit 11 DFF: "This bit should be written only when SPI is disabled" but Bits 5:3 BR[2:0] "These bits should not be changed when communication is ongoing". But refman could be wrong/misleading
2016-06-27T14:15:47 < knielsen> or different MCU...
2016-06-27T14:17:06 < dongs> oh hmm
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2016-06-27T14:20:17 < Laurenceb> lul /pol/ has been busy http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36634786
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2016-06-27T14:23:39 < metRo_> hi all
2016-06-27T14:23:54 < metRo_> I'm trying to set up ADC with DMA
2016-06-27T14:24:18 < metRo_> it all looks ok but I doesnt write the values to memory :s
2016-06-27T14:24:21 < metRo_> any hint?
2016-06-27T14:25:09 < anton02> so are people thinking it's okay to taunt people since brexit was elected? is that what's happening? i dont actually know
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2016-06-27T14:27:32 < Laurenceb> copypasta codez off github
2016-06-27T14:29:36 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/Z0nQVR98.html
2016-06-27T14:29:36 < dongs> hmm
2016-06-27T14:29:41 < dongs> that ends up being way short
2016-06-27T14:30:49 < dongs> but making it bigger doenst acutally work
2016-06-27T14:30:56 < dongs> making NDTR biger that is
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2016-06-27T14:34:26 < dongs> wtf i cant tell teh relation between ->NDTR and how much crap it actually puts on screen
2016-06-27T14:34:26 < anton02> did this ST representative just totally dodge his question? https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/STM32Java/Flat.aspx?RootFolder=https%3a%2f%2fmy%2est%2ecom%2fpublic%2fSTe2ecommunities%2fmcu%2fLists%2fSTM32Java%2fSTM32CubeMX%20-%20Where%20did%20GPIO%2016-bit%20port%20access%20functions%20go&FolderCTID=0x01200200770978C69A1141439FE559EB459D758000F9A0E3A95BA69146A17C2E80209ADC21&currentviews=1410
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2016-06-27T14:35:26 < jpa-> people are angry that some useless wrappers were removed?
2016-06-27T14:36:46 < qyx> Laurenceb: have you seen AX5243?
2016-06-27T14:36:59 < qyx> interesting features & low power consumtion
2016-06-27T14:37:11 < qyx> also they claim to have some kind of FEC
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2016-06-27T14:37:56 < Laurenceb> interesting
2016-06-27T14:38:26 < Laurenceb> Tx looks quite energy efficient
2016-06-27T14:39:16 < Laurenceb>  -137dBm, nice
2016-06-27T14:40:14 < anton02> are the first 16 or last 16 bits of ODR the data directional register bits?
2016-06-27T14:43:19 < karlp> you've got the ref man open right?
2016-06-27T14:43:33 < karlp> and you're sure that gpios on stm32 are exactly like avr right?
2016-06-27T14:46:01 < anton02> thanks. first time its come in useful: Bits 31:16 Reserved, must be kept at reset value
2016-06-27T14:49:49 < dongs> PeterM: http://i.imgur.com/YpLGQ2V.png ...
2016-06-27T14:52:30 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/selfagency/nazi-detector/blob/master/theList.json
2016-06-27T14:52:48 < PeterM> dogns wtf is that shit
2016-06-27T14:52:53 < PeterM> who doesthat
2016-06-27T14:53:08 < dongs> PeterM: retard making the PCM
2016-06-27T14:53:20 < PeterM> my brain hurts
2016-06-27T14:53:27 < Laurenceb> lul line 950
2016-06-27T14:53:30 < dongs> i to9ld him the same thing
2016-06-27T14:53:32 < dongs> lol
2016-06-27T14:53:36 < upgrdman_> lol, $250 for this trash ras pi laptop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTWe7EwriiA
2016-06-27T14:53:37 < Laurenceb> confirmed as 4chan troll
2016-06-27T14:53:43 < upgrdman_> doesnt even come with the pi
2016-06-27T14:54:24 < dongs> anyway original dual-SOT23 version is just
2016-06-27T14:54:25 < PeterM> $250 for that? why would you buy that when you can buy a real, actual laptop for  that much and it actualyl be useful
2016-06-27T14:55:11 < dongs> GND->S1, D1->D2, S2 -> P-
2016-06-27T14:55:19 < dongs> and G1/G2 to OD/OC on the controller chip
2016-06-27T14:55:27 < dongs> but for some fucked up reason he split this between 2 fet packages
2016-06-27T14:55:32 < dongs> and paralelled the fucking dualfets
2016-06-27T14:55:56 < dongs> (it doesnt work, either with china or real fets)
2016-06-27T14:56:06 < dongs> looking at schematic, im not surprised
2016-06-27T14:56:21 < PeterM> i didnt even bother working out what was connected where, i jsut assumed it was a troll
2016-06-27T14:56:26 < dongs> haha
2016-06-27T14:56:35 < dongs> i colorcoded it and i STILL cant figure it out
2016-06-27T14:56:54 < Laurenceb> https://media2.8ch.net/pol/src/1466994320497-1.jpg
2016-06-27T14:58:29 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Q9EO5I8.jpg this works wiht sot23 fets
2016-06-27T14:59:13 < dongs> also I told the motherfucker to put IC part# in fucking comment field and enable it like a million times
2016-06-27T14:59:17 < dongs> but no
2016-06-27T14:59:29 < dongs> every fucking schematic just has Ufuckoff and no indication of what chip it is
2016-06-27T14:59:30 < dongs> cunt
2016-06-27T15:03:13 < Laurenceb> qyx: ooh nice it does PSK
2016-06-27T15:03:50 < Laurenceb> looks like about -140dB sensitivity
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2016-06-27T15:17:26 < zyp> fucking useless schematic
2016-06-27T15:17:50 < dongs> totally
2016-06-27T15:17:55 < zyp> I'd split dual fets into individual transistor schematic parts
2016-06-27T15:21:25 < dongs> but yeah fuck that schema
2016-06-27T15:21:32 < dongs> and my SPI DMA is still being wierd.
2016-06-27T15:21:32 < dongs> hmm
2016-06-27T15:21:42 < dongs> zyp, ever done SPI DMA with 16bit to ->DR?
2016-06-27T15:22:28 < karlp> which spi periph?
2016-06-27T15:22:36 < karlp> f3/f0/l0? or f1/f4/l1?
2016-06-27T15:22:43 < dongs> 405
2016-06-27T15:22:47 < dongs> why, is something broken?
2016-06-27T15:23:18 < karlp> no, just different behaviour on 16bit writes and the fifo shit
2016-06-27T15:23:46 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/D3PwEE95.html
2016-06-27T15:23:52 < dongs> my fifo is disabled.
2016-06-27T15:23:58 < dongs> i remember some fifo trash in F3
2016-06-27T15:24:07 < dongs> that it had to be enabled even if yo udidnt use or osmethin
2016-06-27T15:32:49 < dongs> hmm
2016-06-27T15:34:18 < dongs> oh ffs
2016-06-27T15:34:28 < dongs> max DMA transfer size = 64kbytes??
2016-06-27T15:34:46 < dongs> hmm no, NDTR is 32bit
2016-06-27T15:34:48 < dongs> what the fuck then?
2016-06-27T15:35:06  * knielsen remember it as 64k limit also
2016-06-27T15:35:17 < dongs> Number of data items to be transferred (0 up to 65535).
2016-06-27T15:35:19 < dongs> fuck.
2016-06-27T15:37:05 < zyp> dongs, no, but on f4 it should work equally well to cpu writes and 16bit mode
2016-06-27T15:37:07 < dongs> time to loop this mess
2016-06-27T15:37:22 < dongs> yeah the problem is max transfer size is 64k heh
2016-06-27T15:43:18 < Lux> dongs: i'm doing 16 bit spi with dma with f4 and it works fine
2016-06-27T15:43:23 < Lux> spi slave though
2016-06-27T15:43:48 < dongs> yeah, like i said,  max transfer was the issues
2016-06-27T15:43:50 < dongs> issue
2016-06-27T15:44:10 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/P7fFaM26.html
2016-06-27T15:44:12 < dongs> this works
2016-06-27T15:44:56 < dongs> oh err
2016-06-27T15:45:01 < dongs> need to lose that num ? 0xffff thing
2016-06-27T15:45:10 < Lux> https://www.google.at/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0ahUKEwjOx_r2ncjNAhUQnRQKHbSrBBoQFggqMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.st.com%2Fresource%2Fen%2Fapplication_note%2Fdm00046011.pdf&usg=AFQjCNG63XmYlTtN8o0MIoHzFChy1jmO5Q&sig2=XYCk8AvUDIGiZW0cM3sHlg&cad=rja
2016-06-27T15:45:16 < Lux> did you check page 13
2016-06-27T15:45:32 < Lux> there are a few limitations on the burst mode if you are using that
2016-06-27T15:46:14 < Lux> ah you didn't even use that
2016-06-27T15:46:49 < dongs> ya nope
2016-06-27T15:46:51 < dongs> all works now
2016-06-27T15:46:58 < dongs> with multiple dma transfers
2016-06-27T15:47:07 < dongs> my final buffer was liek  78000 uint16s
2016-06-27T15:47:14 < dongs> a little bit > 65k :)
2016-06-27T15:47:32 < Lux> ah ok yeah that won't work :)
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2016-06-27T15:56:27 < upgrdman_> cubeF4 is like 350MB... fuck, this'll have to wait until im back in the 1st world ;(
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2016-06-27T16:06:14 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=395_1467018662
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2016-06-27T16:22:29 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e9a_1467003100
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2016-06-27T16:28:55 < Thorn> >Wind River and their stupid "license" stickers.  They tried to insist we put them on the CPU card of a satellite I worked on. Never mind that the damn stickers would outgas like crazy and the that the payload was basically optical and couldn't tolerate any garbage like that.  Plus they wanted $100K plus another $20K per developer per year for the privilege of running VxWorks.  Never again.
2016-06-27T16:31:51 < dongs> < upgrdman_> cubeF4 is like 350MB... fuck, this'll have to wait until im back in the 1st world ;(
2016-06-27T16:31:54 < dongs> haha
2016-06-27T16:35:41 < Laurenceb> anyone know what the capacitance on an stm32 GPIo input is?
2016-06-27T16:36:03 < karlp> teh datasheet does
2016-06-27T16:37:35 < Laurenceb> ah ~5pF
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2016-06-27T16:39:35 < qyx> Laurenceb: wouldn't it be possible to do a DSSS with that PSK?
2016-06-27T16:39:40 < qyx> with some sort of raw mode
2016-06-27T16:40:09 < qyx> doing correlation in software or whatever
2016-06-27T16:40:13 < Laurenceb> yeah looks like it
2016-06-27T16:40:29 < Laurenceb> prob could do raw mode with simple digital correlator
2016-06-27T16:40:51  * emeb 's attention is drawn at mention of PSK & DSSS
2016-06-27T16:41:15 < qyx> emeb: look at AX5243
2016-06-27T16:41:37 < dongs> dongular spread spectrum
2016-06-27T16:42:27 < emeb> qyx: interesting. ISTR looking at that before
2016-06-27T16:42:41 < emeb> 27 - 1050. That's wide
2016-06-27T16:42:56 < qyx> with a gap though
2016-06-27T16:44:36 < emeb> looks pretty similar to SiLabs stuff
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2016-06-27T16:48:05 < emeb> looks like "raw mode" isn't really raw - still applies some sort of modulation
2016-06-27T16:48:22 < emeb> be kind of hard to get DSSS that way
2016-06-27T16:48:42 < Laurenceb> increase bit rate and pre process?
2016-06-27T16:49:50 < emeb> given that it's going to do the hard decisions before giving you the bits you won't see any spreading gain.
2016-06-27T16:50:06 < Laurenceb> I dont thinkg thats true
2016-06-27T16:50:11 < emeb> ie - the SNR won't improve
2016-06-27T16:50:13 < Laurenceb> you can still pull out the data
2016-06-27T16:50:30 < Laurenceb> you loke about 2.6dB or something
2016-06-27T16:50:32 < emeb> not if the tracking loops poop out before you get the data
2016-06-27T16:50:34 < Laurenceb> I forget the value
2016-06-27T16:53:47 < emeb> if the demod has tracking algos that work deep into the noise then yeah - you might be able to despread post hard-decision and pick up some spreading gain.
2016-06-27T16:54:04 < emeb> but if the tracking fails then you can't despread.
2016-06-27T16:54:12 < Laurenceb> demod has AFC and bit edge lock
2016-06-27T16:54:20 < Laurenceb> so yeah that might screw up
2016-06-27T16:54:32 < Laurenceb> I think AFc can be turned off
2016-06-27T16:54:53 < Laurenceb> so you could up the raw bit rate to several times the actual DSSS bit rate
2016-06-27T16:54:56 < Laurenceb> and it should work
2016-06-27T16:55:20 < emeb> can the filtering be disabled?
2016-06-27T16:55:32 < Laurenceb> I think AFc can be turned off
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2016-06-27T17:18:25 < dongs> M0AR with memoryinc_enable increaes as DMA goes through right?
2016-06-27T17:19:29 < Steffanx> Need attention mr crt?
2016-06-27T17:20:42 < Steffanx> Afaik it does not change, it changes a shadow copy dongs
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2016-06-27T17:32:59 < dongs> hm
2016-06-27T17:33:11 < dongs> wihtout memory_inc, my stuff works (multiple tranfers)
2016-06-27T17:33:29 < dongs> but with memory_inc the 2nd transfer starts from top again
2016-06-27T17:33:36 < dongs> isntead of continue into teh buffer
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2016-06-27T17:35:54 < dongs> ok
2016-06-27T17:35:56 < dongs> looks like i ahve to reset it
2016-06-27T17:36:05 < dongs> refman doesnt mention anything about it increasing
2016-06-27T17:38:08 < dongs> success
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2016-06-27T17:45:00 < anton02> why doesnt keil know about the registers mentioned in the reference manual
2016-06-27T17:45:10 < dongs> because y oure using it wrong
2016-06-27T17:45:12 < dongs> which ones?
2016-06-27T17:45:16 < anton02> DMA_SxPAR
2016-06-27T17:45:32 < dongs> .. think bro
2016-06-27T17:45:40 < dongs> because it depends on fucking stream/channel
2016-06-27T17:45:54 < anton02> i thought that but that example code has x's in there
2016-06-27T17:46:07 < dongs> DMA1_Stream4->PAR
2016-06-27T17:46:16 < dongs> thats becauase they have the shit #defined
2016-06-27T17:46:21 < dongs> dude do you even C
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2016-06-27T17:51:10 < dongs> while you were jerking off, i've got porn displaying on LCD already
2016-06-27T17:51:12 < dongs> at 30fps
2016-06-27T17:51:55 < Laurenceb> stm32 waifu when
2016-06-27T17:56:52 < anton02> it wanted me to dereference this is array DMA1_Stream5->M0AR=*information; it's happy now
2016-06-27T17:57:31 < decimad> I wonder who came up with the name MOAR
2016-06-27T17:57:58 < anton02> amd
2016-06-27T18:02:13 < Laurenceb> http://uk.farnell.com/bak/lp-503759-is-3/battery-lithium-pol-3-7v-1300/dp/2077882
2016-06-27T18:02:16 < Laurenceb> dat price
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2016-06-27T18:39:34 < Laurenceb> http://gifyu.com/images/fish2078b.gif
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2016-06-27T18:42:53 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TwZwSIrMLmk
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2016-06-27T19:05:57 < metRo_> I'm using stm32 USB CDC library, how do I know that the board was connected to a host?
2016-06-27T19:13:40 < dongs> check DCD bit
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2016-06-27T19:13:57 < dongs> if DCD is on, meansa your shit is connected and someone opened a terminal app t o ti
2016-06-27T19:14:01 < dongs> it
2016-06-27T19:14:53 < dongs> or was it DTR, one of those things
2016-06-27T19:15:35 < dongs> oops, RTS.
2016-06-27T19:15:44 < metRo_> dongs: thank you, Im going to check it
2016-06-27T19:15:53 < dongs> yeah. except check RTS, not the other ones.
2016-06-27T19:16:07 < dongs> somewhere in PortSetControlLineState() handler
2016-06-27T19:16:19 < dongs> check bitmap and if RTS bit is set, means port is open.
2016-06-27T19:16:48 < karlp> yeahhhhh that relies on someone having set the right bits on the host.
2016-06-27T19:17:11 < dongs> karlp: bullshit, evry terminal app does
2016-06-27T19:17:12 < karlp> someone/your OS driver/
2016-06-27T19:17:27 < dongs>  / everydriver/etc
2016-06-27T19:17:47 < karlp> probably pretty safe for cdc-acm to detect the host, would be pretty terrible to assume the device did the right thing with all those bits though
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2016-06-27T19:18:04 < karlp> also, doens't mean it's connectd, just means someone's opened a terminal
2016-06-27T19:18:13 < dongs> yes
2016-06-27T19:18:16 < karlp> it can be connected without a terminal open
2016-06-27T19:18:21 < dongs> nope
2016-06-27T19:18:28 < Thorn> my terminal app has buttons for DTR and RTS and doesn't set them on its own
2016-06-27T19:18:29 < karlp> sure, it wille numerate straight away
2016-06-27T19:18:30 < dongs> if you print to a non-open port you will end up in a deadlock soon
2016-06-27T19:18:46 < dongs> so you better check if someone has an acutal terminal open before dumping bytes there
2016-06-27T19:18:55 < dongs> this is both in ST CDC and in Keil
2016-06-27T19:19:08 < metRo_> dongs: where should I look for the DTR bit?
2016-06-27T19:19:14 < dongs> metRo_: its RTS bit
2016-06-27T19:19:15 < dongs> i told you where
2016-06-27T19:19:25 < dongs> there's a callback for set control line state.
2016-06-27T19:19:30 < dongs> you check the parameter there
2016-06-27T19:19:32 < Thorn> is openviszla still dead?
2016-06-27T19:19:39 < dongs> dead as lunix on desktop
2016-06-27T19:20:06 < Thorn> any similar new projects?
2016-06-27T19:20:31 < karlp> open vizsla was for usb2-hs right?
2016-06-27T19:21:00 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-27T19:21:08 < Thorn> there was some ftdi-based hardware. don't think it could do HS
2016-06-27T19:21:20 < jpa-> Thorn: i thought zyp got his openviszla
2016-06-27T19:22:50 < karlp> if it can't do HS, then any of the 100mhz LA devices+sigrok will do the job
2016-06-27T19:23:08 < dongs> oh, fucking wonderful
2016-06-27T19:23:19 < karlp> also, yes, I think it does count as "dead" https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/ov-talk/Z3N0GygMlEU
2016-06-27T19:23:21 < dongs> mouser can't sell me these *LEDS*
2016-06-27T19:23:22 < dongs> ASMT-YTC2-0AA02
2016-06-27T19:23:41 < dongs> i can add to cart for USA address
2016-06-27T19:23:42 < dongs> but not for JP
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2016-06-27T19:24:00 < dongs> karlp: lol wat
2016-06-27T19:24:10 < dongs> which february is it
2016-06-27T19:24:13 < dongs> google groops is sooo retarded
2016-06-27T19:24:17 < karlp> tell me about it
2016-06-27T19:24:39 < karlp> 2016 if https://fail0verflow.com/ben is to be believed
2016-06-27T19:25:29 < dongs> ha
2016-06-27T19:35:25 < Steffanx> is this that guy that actually continued the development or is that someone else?
2016-06-27T19:35:32 < Steffanx> continued after it already failed.
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2016-06-27T19:57:05 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/2Mtzs8e.png
2016-06-27T19:57:09 < ReadError> someting wong
2016-06-27T19:57:30 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDLw1Rx_cAI
2016-06-27T19:57:32 < ReadError> left vs right is 2 different boards, supposed to be the same parts
2016-06-27T19:58:39 < Thorn> bad soldering?
2016-06-27T19:59:13 < ReadError> ehhh ive not started swapping stuff yet
2016-06-27T19:59:32 < ReadError> the lower right one is coming out of a 3.3V LDO ;/
2016-06-27T19:59:45 < ReadError> with the top right being its power source
2016-06-27T20:00:13 < Thorn> is the output cap good
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2016-06-27T20:08:00 < ReadError> not started testing individual components yet
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2016-06-27T20:13:52 < aandrew> hm, openvizsla looks interesting
2016-06-27T20:14:20 < dongs> snort
2016-06-27T20:14:28 < dongs> wel, im sure you can buy a board for cheap
2016-06-27T20:14:37 < dongs> since it only looks interesting to you
2016-06-27T20:14:57 < Steffanx> it looked interesting when they kickstarted it..
2016-06-27T20:15:52 < dongs> he sold logo space on pcb
2016-06-27T20:15:56 < dongs> as dickstarter rewards
2016-06-27T20:16:04 < dongs> for $100 you could put your logo on final board
2016-06-27T20:16:09 < dongs> or somethin like that
2016-06-27T20:16:20 < Steffanx> so?
2016-06-27T20:16:39 < dongs> thats it
2016-06-27T20:16:44 < Steffanx> ok :P
2016-06-27T20:16:48 < dongs> so im chatting to mouser
2016-06-27T20:16:57 < Steffanx> "nice story bro" whould a certain person say.
2016-06-27T20:17:03 < dongs> because they flagged some LED that was made by avago (now broadSCUM) as export-controlled
2016-06-27T20:17:14 < dongs> export-controlled, LED, right?
2016-06-27T20:17:38 < dongs> im getting these assholes to give me an exact reason why its controlled
2016-06-27T20:17:53 < dongs> cuz i thikn they just have a if (made_by_broadscum) dontselltoanyone();
2016-06-27T20:18:05 < dongs> and unfortunately the leds that were bought from avago ended up under that same grup
2016-06-27T20:19:19 < dongs> chat operator went from typing REAL FAST to suuuuuuuuuuuper slow.
2016-06-27T20:19:38 < Steffanx> you language went from friendly to super arsehole?
2016-06-27T20:19:43 < Steffanx> *your
2016-06-27T20:19:47 < dongs> haha.
2016-06-27T20:20:00 < dongs> no but i told them I'll take this $500+ order to digikey
2016-06-27T20:20:03 < dongs> if they don't fix this shit
2016-06-27T20:20:12 < dongs> so they're now "talking to their export department"
2016-06-27T20:20:21 < Steffanx> such blackmailing.
2016-06-27T20:25:17 < dongs> "speaking with management now"
2016-06-27T20:26:49 < Getty> now they finally got network ;) with the router we send to them ;) LOL
2016-06-27T20:27:03 < Getty> this is so absurd
2016-06-27T20:30:49 < Simon--> jade green amazeled?
2016-06-27T20:31:00 < dongs> no just generic shitty rgb led
2016-06-27T20:31:32 < dongs> oh my
2016-06-27T20:31:34 < dongs> agent is typing
2016-06-27T20:31:37 < dongs> this gonna be good
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2016-06-27T20:51:24 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCUIkH8UP4w
2016-06-27T20:51:33 < Laurenceb>  ##electronics tier
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2016-06-27T20:52:38 < BrainDamage> not enough talking about vapes for cannabis oil to be ##electronics tier
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2016-06-27T20:55:02 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGssbaktT1I
2016-06-27T20:55:12 < Laurenceb> rofl they didnt lie
2016-06-27T20:55:44 < Rob235> can you mix heroin and pg or vg and vape it?
2016-06-27T20:56:45 < Rob235> :)
2016-06-27T21:04:29 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d45x4OpMoow&feature=youtu.be&t=1m7s
2016-06-27T21:04:33 < Steffanx> Laurenceb got banned from ##electronics and now they are suddenly the bad guys.
2016-06-27T21:06:19 < BrainDamage> got a pastebin? i'm curious
2016-06-27T21:07:23 < aandrew> FPGA based USB analyzer, it's an OSS beagle
2016-06-27T21:11:32 < ReadError> BrainDamage Laurenceb was being an unfunny troll
2016-06-27T21:11:35 < ReadError> and got b&
2016-06-27T21:11:44 < Laurenceb> same old same old
2016-06-27T21:11:47 < ReadError> pastebin not needed
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2016-06-27T21:19:27 < englishman> dongs: whats the conclusion to this shitty story
2016-06-27T21:19:30 < englishman> been almost an hour
2016-06-27T21:19:48 < englishman> Laurenceb: that porsche video is old as fuck
2016-06-27T21:19:59 < englishman> they already arrested that 16 year old chinese national
2016-06-27T21:20:07 < englishman> front wheel was fucked up due to prior hit+run
2016-06-27T21:20:35 < Laurenceb> was that a garage or the side of a house?
2016-06-27T21:20:41 < englishman> alley garage
2016-06-27T21:20:59 < englishman> oh yeah he had no license
2016-06-27T21:21:09 < englishman> chinese national
2016-06-27T21:21:12 < englishman> 16 years old in a porsche
2016-06-27T21:21:16 < englishman> typical vancouver afternoon
2016-06-27T21:22:50 < Laurenceb> lul
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2016-06-27T21:28:19 < Thorn> what is P5, P6 etc. led panel pitch? is it in mm?
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2016-06-27T21:53:17 < Laurenceb> typical british activity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeuJ_6skbF4
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2016-06-27T22:05:50 < Thorn> what is going on in the UK http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683448/Brexit-EU-Referendum-Vote-Racist-Polish-Muslim-Eastern-European-Flyer-Cambridgeshire
2016-06-27T22:09:40 < Laurenceb> dat has every buzzword
2016-06-27T22:09:45 < Laurenceb> TIL Polish is a race
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2016-06-27T22:24:13 < Yoduza> PIC32MM $0.6 ? :o
2016-06-27T22:24:27 < Steffanx> PIC32.. nuff said.
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2016-06-27T22:28:27 < Laurenceb> lul
2016-06-27T22:28:43 < Laurenceb> it actually scores well in benchmarks
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2016-06-27T22:37:32 < Steffanx> and it's still microchip Laurenceb.
2016-06-27T22:38:16 < Steffanx> its funny that many major manufacturers jumped into cortex-m, and microchip didnt. They had to buy Atmel for that.
2016-06-27T22:46:59 < Yoduza> indeed
2016-06-27T22:50:52 < ReadError> http://sandiegoaltiumusergroup.blogspot.com/
2016-06-27T22:50:55 < ReadError> hmm wtf
2016-06-27T22:51:14 < ReadError> been dicking around with this for a while, i guess its a bug in 16?
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2016-06-27T22:54:08 < Steffanx> Workaround use AD14.3.20 lol.
2016-06-27T22:58:32 < ReadError> yea updating to 16.1.9 hoping its fixed
2016-06-27T23:00:25 < Steffanx> you actually paid for your altium?
2016-06-27T23:00:58 < ReadError> yea ofcourse
2016-06-27T23:01:34 < Steffanx> that's not "ofcourse" ;)
2016-06-27T23:05:24 < Shavik> Ugh. Frustrating have I2C code for the STM32F401RE work on the nucleo but not on my own board.
2016-06-27T23:05:41 < Shavik> Using HAL from Cube but it's always busy
2016-06-27T23:05:55 < Shavik> Watching on the scope, scl never drops once
2016-06-27T23:07:10 < ReadError> your board uses the same 401RE?
2016-06-27T23:07:15 < Shavik> Found quite a few threads on my.stm.com about it, but nothing such as resetting the perip after enabling the clocks seems to work. Also tried moving the autogenerated clock enable after all the other code
2016-06-27T23:07:16 < Shavik> Yes
2016-06-27T23:07:21 < ReadError> opendrain set?
2016-06-27T23:07:27 < Shavik> Yea with 4.7k pullup
2016-06-27T23:07:46 < Shavik> Slave is a 1.8v device with 3.3v tolerant pins
2016-06-27T23:08:02 < Shavik> Lines stay at 3.3v (via the pullups)
2016-06-27T23:08:38 < ReadError> you had pullups on the nucleo?
2016-06-27T23:08:49 < Shavik> I did as well. External ones on a breadboard
2016-06-27T23:08:59 < Shavik> I also was using a breadboard with long hookup wires
2016-06-27T23:09:13 < Shavik> This board I had made just has test points with LA probes hooked up
2016-06-27T23:09:18 < Shavik> So should be much more ideal
2016-06-27T23:09:49 < Shavik> I tried all 3 methods, blocking, interrupt calls, and DMA
2016-06-27T23:10:26 < Shavik> I even made a whole separate project with all other peripherals disabled to make sure nothing was "conflicting"
2016-06-27T23:16:03 < Yoduza> dds ad9850 expensive
2016-06-27T23:16:15 < Yoduza> may be better prices
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2016-06-28T00:00:28 < emeb> get 'em cheap on e-bay w/ breakout board & oscillator already attached
2016-06-28T00:00:39 < Yoduza> oscillator ?
2016-06-28T00:00:42 < emeb> cheaper than qty prices of raw parts
2016-06-28T00:00:54 < emeb> ya - xtal osc in a can
2016-06-28T00:00:54 < Yoduza> ok, thank you
2016-06-28T00:01:21 < emeb> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DDS-AD9850-Signal-Generator-Module-Signal-Sine-Square-Wave-0-40MHz-/191847094502?hash=item2caafa58e6:g:qegAAOSwgApXDLnV
2016-06-28T00:02:22 < Fleck> those with 4x clock multiplier? :D
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2016-06-28T00:49:44 < Shavik> well it appears i2c3 "works"
2016-06-28T00:49:50 < Shavik> but i2c1 doesn't :/
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2016-06-28T00:53:06 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/qM6pNui.png
2016-06-28T00:53:20 < ReadError> dat sustained speed to a spinning rust disk
2016-06-28T00:55:35 < Laurenceb__> dat spinning rust meme
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2016-06-28T00:57:21 < Laurenceb__> https://gfycat.com/FabulousLimpGadwall
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2016-06-28T01:34:26 < kisielk> jpa-: hi, are you around? I had a question about your ITM trace thing for sigrok
2016-06-28T01:43:02 < kakimir> there is also sigrok channel
2016-06-28T01:43:18 < kakimir> but they don't really know a lot of ITM there
2016-06-28T01:46:03 < kakimir> it's 1:43AM in Finland and jpa- is family man with normal work hours
2016-06-28T01:47:58 < kakimir> kisielk: ask your question. many people here have used sigrok's ITM trace thing
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2016-06-28T02:04:37 < anton02> stm32's with LCD screens are only really good for washing machines and thermostats
2016-06-28T02:16:05 < kakimir> the system?
2016-06-28T02:18:42 < dongs> lol
2016-06-28T02:38:20 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y6Nne8RvaA summer mucis
2016-06-28T02:40:09 < kakimir> BrainDamage: I have FreeDiving belt too didn't remember
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2016-06-28T03:00:55 < dongs> this guy im emailing with
2016-06-28T03:01:00 < dongs> he's director of FAE
2016-06-28T03:01:04 < dongs> for like 20 years at this company
2016-06-28T03:01:11 < dongs> every fucijing email he sends
2016-06-28T03:01:22 < dongs> he changes the subject, so it doesnt end up in same thread in gmail
2016-06-28T03:01:37 < dongs> now i ahve like 1234912384 emails about same shit
2016-06-28T03:01:38 < ReadError> yhbt
2016-06-28T03:01:49 < kisielk> kakimir: ah, thanks for the info :)
2016-06-28T03:01:51 < dongs> you'd think after being smart enough to manage people for 20 years
2016-06-28T03:01:53 < dongs> he'd know how to use email
2016-06-28T03:02:00 < kisielk> basically my question is, I load up the example trace from the stm32f105
2016-06-28T03:02:10 < kisielk> but there's only data on the last line, which is a few pulses
2016-06-28T03:02:11 < dongs> example trace?
2016-06-28T03:02:18 < dongs> oh itm
2016-06-28T03:02:43 < kisielk> and the other two lines are just labelled 0 an 1, with no data on them
2016-06-28T03:02:55 < kisielk> so it doesn't look at all like what's in the video on the blog post http://essentialscrap.com/tips/arm_trace/theory.html
2016-06-28T03:06:43 < Laurenceb__> lul england futbul btfo
2016-06-28T03:08:53 < dongs> i heard iceland beat britfags
2016-06-28T03:09:17 < dongs> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/27/england-vs-iceland-euro-2016-live/
2016-06-28T03:09:21 < dongs> lole
2016-06-28T03:10:07 < englishman> why are they even in euro 2016
2016-06-28T03:10:21 < englishman> guess they arent anymore
2016-06-28T03:10:29 < Laurenceb__> I saw my first Brexit rioting today
2016-06-28T03:10:43 < Laurenceb__> some Scottish guys were fighting anyone with English accent
2016-06-28T03:12:07 < dongs> RIP XMOS
2016-06-28T03:12:31 < dongs> the only reason they existed was for bulshit USB audio trash
2016-06-28T03:12:43 < dongs> because peopel were too lazy to implement USB audio class on $anycheapmcu
2016-06-28T03:13:33 < Laurenceb__> haha are XMOS dead?
2016-06-28T03:13:41 < Laurenceb__> and nothing of value was lost
2016-06-28T03:15:28 < dongs> englishman: mouser story = export controlled leds added to cart, order placed
2016-06-28T03:15:34 < englishman> cool
2016-06-28T03:15:39 < dongs> they are not sorry, and "broadcom has requested these to be export limited"
2016-06-28T03:15:48 < dongs> fuck broadcom, fucking cunts
2016-06-28T03:15:55 < englishman> maybe they are encrypted leds
2016-06-28T03:15:58 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-28T03:16:09 < englishman> who knows
2016-06-28T03:16:16 < englishman> you pulse in some digital signal
2016-06-28T03:16:26 < englishman> you might unlock some icbm control algo
2016-06-28T03:16:32 < dongs> i got a better idea
2016-06-28T03:16:36 < dongs> if you mount them in a grid
2016-06-28T03:16:43 < dongs> they will display dickbutt
2016-06-28T03:16:45 < dongs> after some pulses.
2016-06-28T03:17:26 < dongs> but yeah, fucking terrible
2016-06-28T03:17:29 < dongs> if it wasnt customer specification
2016-06-28T03:17:33 < dongs> i'd never buy that shit
2016-06-28T03:18:01 < englishman> excellent product management there
2016-06-28T03:19:00 < dongs> i hope next time they just buy a reel and ship that shit to me themvlves
2016-06-28T03:22:14 < ReadError> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/368/CP2105-25736.pdf
2016-06-28T03:22:17 < ReadError> thats pretty kewl
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2016-06-28T03:27:11 < dongs> wut
2016-06-28T03:27:14 < dongs> why
2016-06-28T03:30:16 < Laurenceb__> moar CP stuff
2016-06-28T03:30:24 < Laurenceb__> take a seat over there
2016-06-28T03:34:05 < Laurenceb__> hmm interesting point
2016-06-28T03:34:19 < Laurenceb__> datasheet for leds?
2016-06-28T03:35:40 < dongs> http://www.avagotech.com/docs/AV02-2589EN
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2016-06-28T04:08:53 < dongs> LEDs shipped
2016-06-28T04:10:20 < dongs> heh
2016-06-28T04:10:25 < dongs> TOP SECRET LEDS
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2016-06-28T04:11:03 < Laurenceb__> 100ma peak
2016-06-28T04:11:14 < Laurenceb__> this is consumer grade junk
2016-06-28T04:11:28 < Shavik> So I just connected my I2C3 bus to my I2C1 Bus, with everything related to I2C1 in the code disabled, and the i2c slave responded via the merged i2c(1|3) bus.
2016-06-28T04:11:45 < dongs> hatebus response
2016-06-28T04:11:48 < Shavik> So slave isn't dead
2016-06-28T04:12:00 < Shavik> its gotta be something broke with i2c1 in the code or h/w
2016-06-28T04:12:17 < dongs> Shavik: are you unsticking the bus before going for debugging
2016-06-28T04:12:47 < dongs> https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/blob/master/src/drv_i2c.c#L346
2016-06-28T04:12:51 < Shavik> I set everything up in a function so it'd perform the I2C tranaction in identical ways
2016-06-28T04:13:05 < dongs> yes but is the bus acutally free when you do it
2016-06-28T04:13:08 < Shavik> The only difference I'm guessing is in the way Cube setup the port
2016-06-28T04:13:10 < dongs> and not one of hte slaves holding it up
2016-06-28T04:13:15 < Shavik> Single slave
2016-06-28T04:13:23 < Shavik> I've set the scope to watch the lines for any low transition
2016-06-28T04:13:26 < Shavik> none occur
2016-06-28T04:13:45 < dongs> so bothg scl and sda are high, no problems?
2016-06-28T04:13:58 < Shavik> I enabled the internal interrupts thinking maybe when it was mux'ing the pin, that it was internally tri-stated so the external pullups wouldn't be in effect
2016-06-28T04:14:15 < Shavik> yea, both scl and sda at my testpoints on the bus on the pcb show they both stay high all the time
2016-06-28T04:20:29 < anton02> it's a pity that it's hard to get a grep tool for windows
2016-06-28T04:21:28 < dongs> fc.exe
2016-06-28T04:21:30 < dongs> don't be dumb
2016-06-28T04:22:20 < anton02> that's diff not grep
2016-06-28T04:22:53 < dongs> er, findstr.exe
2016-06-28T04:22:55 < dongs> shrug
2016-06-28T04:24:08 < ReadError> anton02 MobaXterm is nice
2016-06-28T04:24:29 < ReadError> adds a bunch of useful thing
2016-06-28T04:25:11 < Laurenceb__> holy shit is this what I trhink it is
2016-06-28T04:25:26 < Laurenceb__> all aboard the hate bus
2016-06-28T04:26:20 < ReadError> wat
2016-06-28T04:27:16 < dongs> en_windows_10_multiple_editions_version_1511_updated_apr_2016_x64_dvd_8705583.iso grabbing
2016-06-28T04:27:19 < Laurenceb__> I2C pride worldwide, clock war now gas the start bit
2016-06-28T04:28:16 < dongs> k back to figuing outthis lcd DMA thing
2016-06-28T04:28:58 < anton02> back to figuring out this led dma thing
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2016-06-28T04:29:18 < Laurenceb__> ok for serious advice
2016-06-28T04:29:22 < ReadError> isnt there a ton of LED DMA shit?
2016-06-28T04:29:30 < dongs> he already found fully working code
2016-06-28T04:29:33 < dongs> he's just too dumbto make use of it
2016-06-28T04:29:39 < Laurenceb__> get a logic rationalizer on the i2c bus
2016-06-28T04:29:46 < Laurenceb__> damn you autocorrect
2016-06-28T04:30:15 < dongs> stlink flashing is so awfully slow
2016-06-28T04:30:21 < dongs> 300k .bin on F4-disco
2016-06-28T04:30:25 < dongs> and it takes ages
2016-06-28T04:31:02 < anton02> wow. moba xterm is really nice.
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2016-06-28T04:33:00 < ReadError> its got a package manager kinda thing so you can install extra shit
2016-06-28T04:33:49 < anton02> it always always such a nuisance to install cygwin. this is way better
2016-06-28T04:34:35 < dongs> .. yeah beacuse putty doesnt just work
2016-06-28T04:34:38 < dongs> and is a single .exe
2016-06-28T04:34:41 < dongs> without any aids
2016-06-28T04:34:55 < dongs> XSERVER?????????????
2016-06-28T04:34:57 < dongs> TABBED SSH???????????
2016-06-28T04:34:58 < dongs> aahahaha
2016-06-28T04:35:00 < dongs> fucking fuck off
2016-06-28T04:36:01 < dongs> lol its payware
2016-06-28T04:36:02 < dongs> waht the fuck
2016-06-28T04:39:49 < ReadError> its nice
2016-06-28T04:43:31 < Laurenceb__> https://i.sli.mg/yGwGhH.jpg
2016-06-28T04:44:22 < Laurenceb__> https://i.sli.mg/c0LeNP.jpg
2016-06-28T04:44:43 < ReadError> rip fat dabz
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2016-06-28T04:54:55 < Laurenceb__> holy shit British parliament are reading out /pol/ memes from Twitter
2016-06-28T04:55:05 < Laurenceb__> we have reached peak memetics
2016-06-28T04:55:21 < ReadError> yea vid or lies
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2016-06-28T04:55:52 < Laurenceb__> I'm not a human youtube
2016-06-28T04:56:01 < dongs> lol @ sli.mg links
2016-06-28T04:56:15 < Laurenceb__> why lulz?
2016-06-28T04:56:49 < Laurenceb__> different from imgur for some reason
2016-06-28T04:57:10 < Laurenceb__> imgur has been banished from irc or something
2016-06-28T04:58:29 < Laurenceb__> ignore me im being an autist
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2016-06-28T05:10:14 < aandrew> peak memetics, lol
2016-06-28T05:19:33 < dongs> haha, i think my timing is just too fast for this dumb LCD.
2016-06-28T05:19:40 < dongs> i added some delay before/aftrer CS high/low
2016-06-28T05:19:44 < dongs> and the output is more consistent
2016-06-28T05:19:50 < dongs> tiem to read fucking datasheet
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2016-06-28T05:43:42 < dongs> hmm
2016-06-28T05:43:49 < dongs> now my windowing is screwed
2016-06-28T05:43:55 < dongs> wtf this lcd so dum
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2016-06-28T05:46:11 < Shavik> About to give the spk amp the go to power up. I'm prepared for tears
2016-06-28T05:46:18 < Shavik> as smoke and fire are unleashed
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2016-06-28T05:57:15 < dongs> hmm
2016-06-28T05:57:22 < dongs> dumblcd completely ignoring windowing comand.
2016-06-28T06:08:19 < upgrdman_> what a basic through-hole n mosfet for driving a 12v relay
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2016-06-28T06:17:23 < dongs> i wonder if its because my alignment is odd
2016-06-28T06:18:56 < Thorn> or 2n7000
2016-06-28T06:19:49 < Thorn> both are n https://www.fairchildsemi.com/datasheets/2N/2N7000.pdf
2016-06-28T06:20:26 < Thorn> 2n7002 is sot-23, 2n7000 is TH
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2016-06-28T06:36:28 < englishman> dongs: whats the problem with sli.mg
2016-06-28T06:36:37 < englishman> imgur sold out and is now as shitty as facebook/blogr
2016-06-28T06:36:46 < englishman> sli.mg is like 2009 imgur
2016-06-28T06:36:58 < englishman> no nonsnse, put-images-on-web
2016-06-28T06:39:52 < englishman> sup cathode ray terrorist
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2016-06-28T06:42:26 < rue_shop3> you hootin you cathode rays at me!?
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2016-06-28T06:44:49 < dongs> englishman: yeah, its fine
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2016-06-28T07:46:06 < dongs> fucking fianlly
2016-06-28T07:46:11 < dongs> so lessons learned
2016-06-28T07:46:16 < dongs> SPI is: too fast
2016-06-28T07:47:31 < emeb_mac> no such thing
2016-06-28T07:47:45 < dongs> still dont know exactly WHERE its too fast
2016-06-28T07:47:55 < dongs> but inserting 1us delay betwen every SPI_Write() seems to work
2016-06-28T07:48:09 < dongs> looking at timing diagram and treying to see if this is documented osmewehre
2016-06-28T07:48:22 < emeb_mac> oooh - had a problem like that a while back
2016-06-28T07:48:32 < dongs> all the min units rae in ns
2016-06-28T07:48:38 < dongs> so i dont understand why this matters
2016-06-28T07:48:43 < emeb_mac> what are you talking to?
2016-06-28T07:48:49 < dongs> ILI9240 or whatever
2016-06-28T07:48:50 < dongs> 9340
2016-06-28T07:48:54 < dongs> shitty chinalcd
2016-06-28T07:48:55 < emeb_mac> heh - yep
2016-06-28T07:48:59 < dongs> wassup?
2016-06-28T07:49:25 < emeb_mac> took me forever to figure it out.
2016-06-28T07:49:35 < dongs> same thing? ILI shit?
2016-06-28T07:49:38 < emeb_mac> ya
2016-06-28T07:49:40 < dongs> fucking
2016-06-28T07:49:59 < dongs> but what was it?
2016-06-28T07:50:00 < emeb_mac> it's the STM32 SPI port
2016-06-28T07:50:04 < dongs> looking at datasheet I dont see anything weird
2016-06-28T07:50:15 < emeb_mac> has nothing to do w/ the LCD
2016-06-28T07:50:19 < emeb_mac> AFAIK
2016-06-28T07:50:41 < emeb_mac> It's r/w register on the SPI port
2016-06-28T07:50:47 < emeb_mac> needs to be cleared out.
2016-06-28T07:51:16 < emeb_mac> lemme see if I can find my codes...
2016-06-28T07:52:58 < dongs> hmm, at the end of transfer?
2016-06-28T07:59:01 < emeb_mac> dongs: http://pastebin.com/Bd3KgmK3
2016-06-28T07:59:08 < emeb_mac> my spi write routine
2016-06-28T07:59:12 < emeb_mac> works
2016-06-28T08:00:02 < dongs> that sounds like F0/F3
2016-06-28T08:00:13 < dongs> which has that annoying fucking fifo trash
2016-06-28T08:00:43 < emeb_mac> F7
2016-06-28T08:00:47 < emeb_mac> and HAL
2016-06-28T08:00:47 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQzxZkG36Hs
2016-06-28T08:00:55 < dongs> aids and aids, basically
2016-06-28T08:02:45 < dongs> just banned autism6 from my youtube channel too
2016-06-28T08:04:05 < dongs> k i added a dummy spi r ead
2016-06-28T08:04:14 < dongs> lets see if i can remove some delays now
2016-06-28T08:04:19 < dongs> after my super fast DMA trasnfer
2016-06-28T08:05:50 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/Sz1Im086.html
2016-06-28T08:05:51 < dongs> last bit
2016-06-28T08:06:22 < dongs> fuck, that was it
2016-06-28T08:06:27 < dongs> removing more delays
2016-06-28T08:07:35 < dongs> yeah that sit
2016-06-28T08:07:51 < dongs> so basically, after DMA i have to read spi or else there's crap leftovr and next transfers fail in strange ways
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2016-06-28T08:10:30 < emeb_mac> ohsix: nah - kept banging on it and studying the HAL drivers
2016-06-28T08:10:49 < dongs> _RCC shit in hal is beyond annoying
2016-06-28T08:11:40 < emeb_mac> dongs: so what exactly did you change to make it work?
2016-06-28T08:11:48 < dongs> emeb_mac: that last line in transfer16
2016-06-28T08:11:51 < dongs> SPI_Read
2016-06-28T08:12:09 < dongs> after that i trashed all teh delays
2016-06-28T08:12:10 < dongs> and all is good
2016-06-28T08:12:15 < dongs> only happens after DMA trasnfers
2016-06-28T08:12:23 < emeb_mac> right
2016-06-28T08:12:52 < emeb_mac> I'm using PIO now - tried to make DMA work but it just won't
2016-06-28T08:13:09 < emeb_mac> Never starts up.
2016-06-28T08:13:28 < emeb_mac> but PIO runs SPI port @ max rate so I'm not too concerned
2016-06-28T08:13:43 < emeb_mac> since non-blocking isn't a factor
2016-06-28T08:14:07 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/HLhlPW94.html
2016-06-28T08:14:18 < dongs> its a lot smoother with DMA
2016-06-28T08:14:35 < dongs> even at /2 prescaler on SPI2, the non-DMA space between each byte was longer than the byte itself
2016-06-28T08:15:47 < dongs> so to make it work, configure spi, dma, enable dmareq_tx, but don't DMA_Cmd() just yet. then on eaceh transfer prepare M0AR/NDTR and fire it off.
2016-06-28T08:16:08 < dongs> but i only use this for large transfers, not single byte cmd/dat shit
2016-06-28T08:16:18 < dongs> that one is just regular PIO.
2016-06-28T08:16:42 < emeb_mac> right
2016-06-28T08:16:44 < emeb_mac> same here
2016-06-28T08:16:52 < dongs> this part worked long time ago
2016-06-28T08:16:53 < emeb_mac> what's that dff() function do?
2016-06-28T08:17:00 < dongs> that just changes bitwidth
2016-06-28T08:17:05 < emeb_mac> right
2016-06-28T08:17:13 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/aAsfpB66.html
2016-06-28T08:17:19 < dongs> since DMA was setup for 16bits
2016-06-28T08:17:48 < emeb_mac> ya
2016-06-28T08:18:01 < emeb_mac> thx - will study & see if I can improve my stuff
2016-06-28T08:18:32 < emeb_mac> weirdly I just started fiddling with that code again tonight - hadn't touched it since April
2016-06-28T08:18:41 < dongs> heh, that spinning cube i made in 2012
2016-06-28T08:18:45 < emeb_mac> ya
2016-06-28T08:18:49 < dongs> but I had to bring up another lcd for work stuff today
2016-06-28T08:18:59 < dongs> and i figured to reuse some of that code but it wa snasty as shit
2016-06-28T08:19:00 < emeb_mac> got that running on F3
2016-06-28T08:19:07 < emeb_mac> w/ DMA
2016-06-28T08:19:34 < emeb_mac> but had to do some stuff to reduce the frame buffer size & expand on the fly while sending
2016-06-28T08:19:42 < dongs> https://github.com/notro/fbtft/blob/master/fb_ili9320.c
2016-06-28T08:19:56 < dongs> found nice function that writes out gamma correction longhand
2016-06-28T08:19:59 < dongs> instead of just filling numbers
2016-06-28T08:20:08 < dongs> gonnaplay with that, the colors are really dark on thsi thing
2016-06-28T08:20:11 < dongs> when I load real images
2016-06-28T08:20:16 < emeb_mac> ya
2016-06-28T08:20:19 < dongs> set_gamma thing
2016-06-28T08:21:20 < dongs> emeb_mac: i found out yesterday DMA max transfer size is 64k :)
2016-06-28T08:21:29 < dongs> thats why I had to do that do ()while in transfer16.
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2016-06-28T08:21:37 < emeb_mac> dongs: weird
2016-06-28T08:21:44 < emeb_mac> thought it was bigger than that
2016-06-28T08:21:45 < dongs> yeah, cuz NDTR is 32bit
2016-06-28T08:21:51 < dongs> seems dumb to limit transfer to 16.
2016-06-28T08:21:57 < dongs> but that is what it is.
2016-06-28T08:22:07 < dongs> in refman ndtr is in 32bit register but only 16 bits rae used
2016-06-28T08:22:21 < emeb_mac> probably a bug
2016-06-28T08:22:36 < emeb_mac> is it mentioned anywhere in dox?
2016-06-28T08:22:47 < dongs> yes of course
2016-06-28T08:22:47 < dongs> Bits 15:0 NDT[15:0]: Number of data items to transfer
2016-06-28T08:22:47 < dongs> Number of data items to be transferred (0 up to 65535).
2016-06-28T08:22:55 < emeb_mac> bingo
2016-06-28T08:22:57 < dongs> and top bits are reserved
2016-06-28T08:23:08 < emeb_mac> F4?
2016-06-28T08:23:10 < dongs> ya
2016-06-28T08:23:18  * emeb_mac chex F7
2016-06-28T08:23:20 < dongs> just dicking wiht -disco
2016-06-28T08:26:22 < anton02> why use f4 in 2016
2016-06-28T08:27:18 < dongs> i use f0 in 2016
2016-06-28T08:27:44 < emeb_mac> f7 NDTR also 16-bit
2016-06-28T08:27:55 < emeb_mac> derp - never noticed b4
2016-06-28T08:28:00 < dongs> emeb_mac: nice
2016-06-28T08:28:07 < dongs> enjoy loopin those dma transfers
2016-06-28T08:28:10 < dongs> for large LCDs
2016-06-28T08:28:17 < emeb_mac> dongs: sure it's same IP core all across
2016-06-28T08:28:20 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-28T08:33:40 < emeb_mac> the LCD I'm using is a 320x240 so it's pretty big
2016-06-28T08:33:47 < dongs> same here
2016-06-28T08:34:02 < dongs> i started by dumping full bitmap into it
2016-06-28T08:34:13 < dongs> thts how i found 64klimit cuz its ~78000 total
2016-06-28T08:34:31 < emeb_mac> yep
2016-06-28T08:34:54 < emeb_mac> I'm using that stemwin stuff
2016-06-28T08:36:01 < dongs> heh neat
2016-06-28T08:36:12 < dongs> i was gonna use 429-disco to test this shit with built in lcd but that thing is parallle
2016-06-28T08:36:27 < emeb_mac> right - not a good testcase for SPI stuff
2016-06-28T08:36:51 < emeb_mac> next trick is to do nonblocking
2016-06-28T08:37:08 < emeb_mac> run DMA and return to stemwin for more calcs
2016-06-28T08:37:20 < emeb_mac> then cleanup after DMA in ISR
2016-06-28T08:37:26 < dongs> kinda hard without framebuffer
2016-06-28T08:37:37 < dongs> is there enough memory on f7 for 320x240?
2016-06-28T08:37:43 < emeb_mac> nah
2016-06-28T08:37:51 < emeb_mac> stemwin can run w/o buffer
2016-06-28T08:38:02 < dongs> no flicker?
2016-06-28T08:38:11 < emeb_mac> just can't do any gradients & stuff that needs to know what's there
2016-06-28T08:38:51 < emeb_mac> so text writes can't do transparent backgn color
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2016-06-28T08:53:42 < emeb_mac> ohsix: who reads docs? :)
2016-06-28T09:06:52 < dongs> thats all ohsix does
2016-06-28T09:06:55 < dongs> reads and reads
2016-06-28T09:07:00 < dongs> and doesnt apply any of that vast knowledge
2016-06-28T09:07:05 < dongs> to anything except autism on irc
2016-06-28T09:07:38 < dongs> ohsix could have been making 20k/month off all teh shit he knows
2016-06-28T09:09:01  * emeb_mac learns by bumping into walls
2016-06-28T09:09:08 < emeb_mac> instead of reading the map
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2016-06-28T09:24:38 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/HWegYUX.jpg welcome to voting in australia
2016-06-28T09:24:51 < PeterM> where the ballot paper is bigger than hte booth
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2016-06-28T09:26:27 < emeb_mac> PeterM: and you must vote or get in deep trouble
2016-06-28T09:27:51 < PeterM> nah, if you dont register you'll be just fine
2016-06-28T09:29:20 < anton02> we got a fine
2016-06-28T09:29:41 < anton02> actually i even once got a fine when I did vote
2016-06-28T09:29:48 < anton02> by mistake
2016-06-28T09:29:52 < emeb_mac> "You voted WRONG!"
2016-06-28T09:30:00 < jadew> lol PeterM
2016-06-28T09:30:04 < emeb_mac> tell that to the Brits
2016-06-28T09:30:10 < jadew> do you have to fill all the boxes?
2016-06-28T09:30:19 < jadew> haha emeb
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2016-06-28T09:31:08 < PeterM> jadew, you fill i nall the bozed on the green one, and at least 6 boxes above the line on the white one, or all 80ish below the line
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2016-06-28T09:33:20 < dongs> hmm
2016-06-28T09:33:23 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy-m1NSUmOY
2016-06-28T09:33:30 < dongs> in this dumb project i have a bunch of unchanging const resources
2016-06-28T09:33:36 < dongs> and i sure dont feel like reflashing that shit every time
2016-06-28T09:33:57 < dongs> time to make a segment in top of flash and stash them there?
2016-06-28T09:35:35 < anton02> im gonna be pairing a lora modem with this led screen so it can be updated from miles away
2016-06-28T09:35:47 < dongs> oh lool
2016-06-28T09:35:49 < dongs> i found my assembled BMPs
2016-06-28T09:36:05 < dongs> i didnt toss them after all
2016-06-28T09:39:05 < dongs> now i jsut ned to find 1.27mm pin heaers.
2016-06-28T09:41:54 < dongs> get stoned instead
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2016-06-28T09:44:50 < PeterM> crt drunk in 2 hours seems pretty do-able
2016-06-28T09:46:09 < PeterM> dont jsut get drunk, drink to excess and throw up, say you cant confrence call because vomit
2016-06-28T09:53:10 < dongs> expected darude - sandstorm
2016-06-28T09:53:13 < dongs> was disappointed
2016-06-28T09:55:21 < dongs> http://www.active-semi.com/sheets/PAC/PAC5220QS_Datasheet.pdf
2016-06-28T09:56:05 < jadew> lol ohsix
2016-06-28T09:56:20 < dongs> ohsix: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2016-06-28T09:57:14 < jadew> funny, he was talking about you
2016-06-28T09:58:06 < dongs> i bet
2016-06-28T10:05:16 < jadew> hehe
2016-06-28T10:06:32 < jadew> I wonder if stupid people will be weeded out by evolution
2016-06-28T10:06:44 < jadew> currently they're gaining ground
2016-06-28T10:08:02 < jadew> I look into it too
2016-06-28T10:10:29 < jadew> http://www.audiostream.com/content/audioquest-vodka-ethernet-cable-and-diamond-ethernet-cable
2016-06-28T10:10:46 < englishman> PeterM: AUSTRALIAN MOTORING ENTHUSIAST PARTY
2016-06-28T10:10:47 < englishman> lol
2016-06-28T10:10:49 < englishman> hoon party
2016-06-28T10:11:16 < englishman> this is the result of that retarded voting system you have right
2016-06-28T10:12:26 < englishman> THE GREENS is the green party or a neighbouring family?
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2016-06-28T10:19:25 < dongs> #ifdef ARDUINO_ARCH_AVR
2016-06-28T10:19:34 < dongs> #error KILL YOURSELF, OHSIX
2016-06-28T10:19:35 < dongs> #endif
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2016-06-28T10:26:11 < upgrdman_> wuts cat7
2016-06-28T10:26:24 < upgrdman_> is that like cat5 but with 3mm insulation on each wire?
2016-06-28T10:26:45 < upgrdman_> fuckin cat6 is already super thick
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2016-06-28T10:40:25 < upgrdman_> my cat6 cables are very noticably thicker and less flexible than my cat5 stuff
2016-06-28T10:40:39 < upgrdman_> but the nice 8p8c connectors on them is kinda nice
2016-06-28T10:40:47 < upgrdman_> metal FTW
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2016-06-28T11:00:10 < ReadError> anyone have altium 16 and mechanical pairs?
2016-06-28T11:00:54 < anton02> i dont get why some people call facebook goybook
2016-06-28T11:02:02 < anton02> yeah so it doesnt make sense
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2016-06-28T11:17:41 < ReadError> In Altium Designer 16, the Include Components options were changed from being side-of-board oriented (Top, Bottom & Double Sided), to being component-oriented (Surface-mount & Through-hole). This change introduces the requirement that mechanical layers used in footprints must be paired, if those layers are used to produce printouts. Refer to the PCB Printout Improvements page for more information about this change.
2016-06-28T11:18:52 < jpa-> uh wut
2016-06-28T11:19:33 < ReadError> THE IMPACT ON HOW MECHANICAL LAYERS ARE USED
2016-06-28T11:19:34 < ReadError> With this new approach, if a component has primitives on an enabled layer, then that data will be included in the printout. This changes how mechanical layers are used in components, as the software can no longer rely on a side-of-board flag to help work out if mechanical primitives should be included.
2016-06-28T11:19:34 < ReadError> Now you must ensure that mechanical layers used for components are paired, so that an instance of a footprint used on the top side of the board, does not share a mechanical layer with an instance of that same footprint used on the bottom side of the board - if they do, then those primtives will appear in both the top-side and the bottom-side printouts. You achieve this using Altium Designer's Layer Pair feature.
2016-06-28T11:19:34 < ReadError> The component footprint is still designed as before, as a top-side component. The mechanical layers are paired in the PCB editor as part of the board design process, in the View Configurations dialog. When you flip the component to the other side of the board, mechanical objects are automatically flipped from the original mechanical layer, onto the paired mechanical layer.
2016-06-28T11:19:42 < ReadError> basically they broke everything
2016-06-28T11:20:23 < ReadError> http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/((PCB+Printout+Improvements))_AD
2016-06-28T11:23:21 < anton02> so basically his car worked the same as every auto car that doesnt have this special feature?
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2016-06-28T11:31:41 < Steffanx> RIP USA.
2016-06-28T11:32:29 < Steffanx> Or did you mean rest in pieces, which would be applicable.
2016-06-28T11:32:43 < Steffanx> Hello mr crt. Hows it keiling?
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2016-06-28T11:34:07 < metRo__> I'm trying to use ADC with DMA but when I call HAL_ADC_Start_DMA it returns HAL_BUSY
2016-06-28T11:34:27 < anton02> ReadError, have you ever made an stm32 board in altium?
2016-06-28T11:34:42 < ReadError> sure
2016-06-28T11:34:50 < anton02> f7?
2016-06-28T11:37:24 < anton02> if so, i wouldnt mind the PCB and schematic files if you don't mind giving them away
2016-06-28T11:37:37 < Sync> pls do your own cloning
2016-06-28T11:39:15 < dongs> beaky02
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2016-06-28T11:46:51 < jpa-> metRo__: HAL is so busy being crap that it doesn't have time for you
2016-06-28T11:51:03 < ReadError> yay figured out how to unfuck the assembly stuff
2016-06-28T11:51:16 < ReadError> they made it a real PITA though
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2016-06-28T11:58:37 < dongs> dumb cloners gonna clone
2016-06-28T11:58:42 < dongs> readstoner should teamup with beaky02
2016-06-28T11:58:46 < dongs> with STM32F7
2016-06-28T11:58:49 < dongs> bceause bigger is better
2016-06-28T11:58:55 < ReadError> pff
2016-06-28T11:59:22 < ReadError> rather have an F4 with F3 periphs
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2016-06-28T12:20:01 < ReadError> hm?
2016-06-28T12:20:15 < ReadError> i mean f4 speed/space
2016-06-28T12:23:58 < Sync> yes it can
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2016-06-28T12:29:58 < ReadError> dab torch broke ;(
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2016-06-28T12:32:41 < ReadError> yea butane
2016-06-28T12:33:13 < ReadError> but it has a slow leak and now when i crank down the knob, if i get the gas going its too little or too much
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2016-06-28T12:35:47 < ReadError> https://www.amazon.com/Blazer-GT8000-Shot-Butane-Torch/dp/B000NCZU0A/
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2016-06-28T13:08:47 < karlp> ReadError: cp2105 is "cool" but the two uarts are not equally featured, and all the config is via OTP rom.
2016-06-28T13:08:52 < karlp> sooo... not as coool.
2016-06-28T13:09:05 < ReadError> karlp yea one is gimped
2016-06-28T13:09:16 < ReadError> but if you need 2 standard ones its not bad solution
2016-06-28T13:13:07 < dongs> F0 with USB and you can have 3 USB>CDC on one chip
2016-06-28T13:13:18 < dongs> for less than waht CP2105 costs.
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2016-06-28T13:31:50 < karlp> dongs: gotta write the sw though...
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2016-06-28T13:40:43 < anton02> im surprised at how slow grep is on an ssd
2016-06-28T13:40:58 < karlp> use ack instead.
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2016-06-28T13:43:00 < BrainDamage> even better, use ag
2016-06-28T13:43:22 < BrainDamage> https://github.com/ggreer/the_silver_searcher
2016-06-28T13:44:35 < Steffanx> Ask cortana.
2016-06-28T13:44:47 < PeterM> JFGI
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2016-06-28T13:51:11 < dongs> karlp: keil has USB
2016-06-28T13:59:35 < karlp> never the same as dropping  part on, hw only.
2016-06-28T13:59:47 < dongs> sure
2016-06-28T13:59:55 < dongs> but we've got people like ohsix
2016-06-28T13:59:57 < dongs> with unlimited time
2016-06-28T14:00:03 < dongs> so tahts OK
2016-06-28T14:02:01 < karlp> I think ohsix is too busy watching endless amounts of tv actually,
2016-06-28T14:02:12 < karlp> not sure they have time for keiling up a triple usb-cdcacm ;)
2016-06-28T14:02:56 < dongs> lol
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2016-06-28T14:07:03 < dongs> time to check out freecancer
2016-06-28T14:07:16 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Arab-Email-database-open-bidding/
2016-06-28T14:07:42 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/PCB-SCHEMATIC-DESIGN/
2016-06-28T14:07:44 < dongs> lol
2016-06-28T14:08:01 < dongs> oh, its a skimmer
2016-06-28T14:09:23 < qyx> I'll work for food
2016-06-28T14:09:33 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Sales/Sell-Chips-10879828/
2016-06-28T14:09:35 < dongs> i dont understand
2016-06-28T14:09:44 < dongs> does he wanna sell ESP or buy ESP?
2016-06-28T14:09:57 < qyx> me neither, I have read that
2016-06-28T14:10:19 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/Find-Manufacturer-electronic-products/
2016-06-28T14:10:35 < dongs> he wants schematics, pcb and solidworsk with a $30 budget?
2016-06-28T14:10:35 < dongs> k
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2016-06-28T14:14:11 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/arduino/Controlling-through-Arduino/
2016-06-28T14:14:13 < dongs> yesssssss
2016-06-28T14:14:23 < dongs> aww cocks
2016-06-28T14:14:29 < dongs> he literally meant AC as in aircon
2016-06-28T14:14:48 < dongs> i was hoping he'd get a $30 project to short ac plug on/off
2016-06-28T14:16:28 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Create-ARM-SBC-based-given/
2016-06-28T14:16:34 < dongs> way too low budget for this
2016-06-28T14:16:46 < dongs> breakout for SoM sure but fuck you, im not going to be compiling drivers and shit for you
2016-06-28T14:17:51 < jadew> yeah, that's very low
2016-06-28T14:18:17 < qyx> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Assemble-PCB-10865615/
2016-06-28T14:18:17 < qyx> hah
2016-06-28T14:18:18 < jadew> but aren't all projects like that on freelancing sites?
2016-06-28T14:19:41 < qyx> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/MAGNETIC-POWER-GENERATOR/
2016-06-28T14:20:20 < jadew> haha
2016-06-28T14:20:38 < jadew> and he actually got offers for it
2016-06-28T14:23:23 < jadew> when I was little I used to fantasise about either an overunity device that would power my spaceship and my electric car with full tires (so the cops could never stop me or blow my tires), or a device that would pick up RF energy from radio stations and power my house
2016-06-28T14:23:39 < jadew> *filled tired
2016-06-28T14:23:42 < jadew> *filled tires
2016-06-28T14:24:38 < jadew> I knew it was possible to capture RF energy but that it was in very small quantities, but I figured I could make lots of those devices
2016-06-28T14:25:18 < decimad> I find this freelancer stuff with people underbidding other people quite unsocial...
2016-06-28T14:25:35 < decimad> If that's the future, I can live without future ;)
2016-06-28T14:25:37 < jadew> decimad, it's not meant to be a social platform
2016-06-28T14:25:50 < jadew> and it's been going on for a while
2016-06-28T14:25:55 < jadew> and it won't stop
2016-06-28T14:26:22 < jadew> most jobs that can be performed remotely suffer because of this
2016-06-28T14:26:36 < jadew> and they'll continue to suffer until there won't be any more poor countries in the world
2016-06-28T14:27:50 < jadew> also, it's not your peers that are underbidding you
2016-06-28T14:28:29 < jadew> that comes from people with different standards of living
2016-06-28T14:29:19 < decimad> Well, I don't think I can change anything, still I highly dislike such platforms.
2016-06-28T14:29:19 < jadew> not to mention most of them suck at what they're doing so they're willing to do it for way less
2016-06-28T14:29:36 < jadew> there's no way to compete with them
2016-06-28T14:30:40 < decimad> Why don't they call themselves www.getthepaskistanicheap.com
2016-06-28T14:32:04 < jadew> the company I work for had an employee from pakistan once
2016-06-28T14:32:15 < jadew> or a team - we don't know for sure
2016-06-28T14:32:39 < jadew> he was so bad...
2016-06-28T14:33:54 < jadew> there's also the language barrier
2016-06-28T14:41:13 < anton02> https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1467089733519.webm
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2016-06-28T14:54:26 < jadew> I just did a little research on google images and I came to the conclusion that the EU will do just fine without any non balcanic countries
2016-06-28T14:55:17 < jadew> the standard of hotness is disproportionately high in the balcans
2016-06-28T14:56:04 < jadew> and I'll include itally in there too
2016-06-28T14:56:14 < jadew> *italy
2016-06-28T14:56:53 < Steffanx> So did your resignation work out for you well jadew?
2016-06-28T14:56:54 < jadew> it's probably the genetic diverstiy
2016-06-28T14:57:19 < jadew> Steffanx, don't know yet, I have to have a final discussion with my boss in a couple of days
2016-06-28T14:57:22 < jpa-> i didn't know that EU was in the hot ladies for jadew business
2016-06-28T14:57:24 < Steffanx> You reminded me when you talked about that pakinstani.
2016-06-28T14:57:36 < jadew> heh, yeah
2016-06-28T14:57:36 < Steffanx> -n
2016-06-28T14:57:53 < jadew> I don't know how it will swing, but I've talked to other old collegues and they feel the same
2016-06-28T14:58:28 < Steffanx> Heh.
2016-06-28T14:59:09 < jadew> they said they've considered it too because of the recent changes
2016-06-28T15:01:37 < jadew> apparently the new hire makes more than my entire team
2016-06-28T15:02:33 < jadew> and is less prepared than I am
2016-06-28T15:02:48 < jadew> which is insulting
2016-06-28T15:04:55 < jadew> what's even more annoying is that I'm not as convinced that it's a good idea to leave right now as I was when I submitted my resignation
2016-06-28T15:05:06 < karlp> stick with it.
2016-06-28T15:05:15 < karlp> backing down is the worst thing you can do now.
2016-06-28T15:05:27 < karlp> trust me, it will work out.
2016-06-28T15:05:55 < jadew> yeah, I'm sure I can make it work, but I'm thinking that maybe I should start a side business first
2016-06-28T15:06:07 < jadew> as opposed to looking for a similar job somehwere else
2016-06-28T15:08:26 < jadew> it seems like things are getting harder in my line of business as time goes by and I'm afraid that I'm investing time into a career that won't pay out in the long run
2016-06-28T15:10:23 < karlp> how areyou defining "your line of business" ?
2016-06-28T15:10:49 < jpa-> i left my previous place when i thought "this is going nowhere".. well their other business expanded a lot, but no regrets, new places are interesting and doing same old stuff is not, even if it pays better
2016-06-28T15:11:26 < jadew> well, the programming business, it seems to me like you can't really advance that much and those higher positions get shittier anyway
2016-06-28T15:11:41 < karlp> depends what you mean by "advance"
2016-06-28T15:11:53 < jadew> karlp, in the sense of promotions
2016-06-28T15:12:09 < karlp> promotion meaning, "start managing a team" or "get paid more"
2016-06-28T15:12:30 < karlp> I feel there's increasing acceptance that promotion to manager isn't always a good idea for everyone
2016-06-28T15:12:41 < jadew> I'm currently a software architect and it's not that great and there aren't many positions I can get into
2016-06-28T15:12:52 < karlp> and I certainly get paid more than I used to, while still being "just" a developer.
2016-06-28T15:13:02 < karlp> sw architect is kind wanky.
2016-06-28T15:13:21 < jadew> karlp, in what way?
2016-06-28T15:13:30 < karlp> if you'ðre hoping to get a new job as someone who comes in, lays their hands on the project and says, "more TLA here, less TLA there" and hoping to get paid more for that, you're in for disappointment.
2016-06-28T15:13:57 < karlp> if you'r ein a team that felt a need to designate a role as purely architectural, I feel you're already in trouble.
2016-06-28T15:13:58 < jadew> jpa-, I'd probably see it the same way
2016-06-28T15:14:36 < jadew> karlp, ah, I don't believe in the purely architectural stuff
2016-06-28T15:14:48 < jadew> those are not architectes, they're phonies
2016-06-28T15:15:00 < karlp> well, if you go around calling yourself a software architect, that's you too ;)
2016-06-28T15:15:17 < jadew> well, I do a lot of coding
2016-06-28T15:15:26 < jpa-> though nicest would be to up my savings rate to some 50-75% so that i could eventually be free of daily work :P
2016-06-28T15:16:22 < jadew> jpa-, that's another thing, since 3 years ago I haven't been able to save anything
2016-06-28T15:16:36 < jadew> in a sense, I've lost money, because of inflation
2016-06-28T15:17:44 < karlp> last three years you've had 2% down to -nve inflation, what are you talking about?
2016-06-28T15:17:52 < jadew> karlp, I basically do the design, manage the team and their tasks, have to write all the core functionality and then, if there's time left, work on other stuff the rest of the team didn't already pick up
2016-06-28T15:17:52 < karlp> you're in romania aren't you?
2016-06-28T15:18:04 < jadew> karlp, yeah
2016-06-28T15:18:15 < karlp> jadew: so cal yourself technical lead, rather than sw architect
2016-06-28T15:18:28 < jadew> karlp, well, I do the architecture too
2016-06-28T15:18:46 < jadew> and it's not like I want to do so much work, I don't want to
2016-06-28T15:18:57 < jadew> but it has to be done
2016-06-28T15:19:42 < jadew> karlp, about inflation, don't know, the fact that I'm not able to save anymore worries me
2016-06-28T15:22:44 < jpa-> and it should, but inflation shouldn't
2016-06-28T15:25:21 < jadew> karlp, the thing about software architects that don't code is that they can't exist
2016-06-28T15:25:43 < jadew> if someone is a software architect and doesn't code, he's not a real software architect or he's doing his job wrong
2016-06-28T15:26:03 < jadew> you can't take technical decisions if you're not in touch with the technical details
2016-06-28T15:26:17 < jadew> I could probably do this without coding for... a year, but not longer
2016-06-28T15:26:21 < jadew> after that you're useless
2016-06-28T15:26:29 < jpa-> i agree
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2016-06-28T16:20:07 < karlp> A Spaniard, an Irishman and an Englishman all walk into a pub. The Icelander couldn't make it because he's still in the Euros
2016-06-28T16:20:55 < metRo__> I have two interrupts, one for ADC-DMA and another for a timer that fire each second. As soon as I start the ADC-DMA IT the timer never fired again. I needed to set the ADC-DMA IT to a lower priority to have both working
2016-06-28T16:21:25 < metRo__> I tought that if both have the same priority each one would be called when the other finish
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2016-06-28T16:22:58 < jadew> karlp, probably the UK will join EEA too
2016-06-28T16:23:15 < jadew> I wonder how much it will cost them tho
2016-06-28T16:23:56 < jadew> metRo__, yeah, that's how it should work
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2016-06-28T16:24:55 < metRo__> jadew: doesn't understand if the timer should be called when the ADC-DMA IT finish or it only works with diferent priority
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2016-06-28T16:25:50 < jadew> not sure what you mean
2016-06-28T16:26:35 < jadew> if an interrupt is generated while another interrupt of the same priority is running, the new interrupt will be delayed until the current one finishes
2016-06-28T16:26:52 < karlp> jadew: uk is already in EEA: http://boingboing.net/2011/03/12/venn-diagram-illustr.html
2016-06-28T16:27:43 < jadew> karlp, wasn't that part of being in the EU?
2016-06-28T16:28:34 < jadew> I think that once they're out of the EU, they'll have to negotiate for entering the EEA
2016-06-28T16:28:47 < karlp> https://walesandtheeu.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/wp-1454360096348.jpeg is actually more up to date
2016-06-28T16:29:32  * karlp shrugs. popcorn from here.
2016-06-28T16:29:59 < karlp> they've got leave yet.  gonna be lots of popcorn for a new PM, then whether/when tehy actually invoke article 50...
2016-06-28T16:30:32 < jadew> yeah, they'll probably delay it as much as possible
2016-06-28T16:31:22 < jadew> my bet is that they'll end up paying more
2016-06-28T16:31:45 < jadew> if they get a better deal than they currently had, other countries might consider it too
2016-06-28T16:31:55 < karlp> they're not going to get a better deal in any way.
2016-06-28T16:32:02 < jadew> yeah
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2016-06-28T17:02:29 < metRo__> jadew: the problem is that the TIM1 interrupt wasn't called
2016-06-28T17:02:42 < metRo__> I need to set the ADC-DMA to a lower priority to make it work
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2016-06-28T17:03:20 < metRo__> I'm using USB device library from st and can't know when a host open a connection to it >*
2016-06-28T17:03:23 < metRo__> :(
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2016-06-28T17:20:42 < Thorn> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/26295216/using-this-pointer-causes-strange-deoptimization-in-hot-loop/
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2016-06-28T17:26:41 < jadew> Thorn, that looks like normal behaviour
2016-06-28T17:28:17 < jadew> ah, looks like the issue was something completely different than I was thinking about
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2016-06-28T18:45:43 < anton02> what's the difference between DMA->4 GPIO pins and DMA->QSPI half duplex
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2016-06-28T18:58:40 < Thorn> a clock pin?
2016-06-28T19:04:44 < anton02> yep
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2016-06-28T19:20:08 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/pjFrX4i.jpg
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2016-06-28T19:40:40 < karlp> Laurenceb__: ooooooollllld
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2016-06-28T19:56:39 < englishman> i'm beginning to doubt Laurenceb__'s future trolling capability
2016-06-28T19:56:43 < englishman> karlp: thanks for the highlight btw
2016-06-28T19:57:07 < englishman> your little queer footy game with the dudes with long hair and tiaras is going well i hear
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2016-06-28T20:01:30 < karlp> so far so good yes.
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2016-06-28T20:34:02 < jadew> how are those screwdrivers called, for the stupid screwes used on electric devices (like power strips)
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2016-06-28T20:34:34 < jadew> it would be like a flat screwdriver with a pause in the middle
2016-06-28T20:38:05 < jadew> http://dumb.ro/files/screw.png
2016-06-28T20:38:47 < jadew> I'm coming across these sort of screws more often lately
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2016-06-28T20:49:29 < jadew> it's called an U screwdriver I think
2016-06-28T20:52:20 < jadew> I wonder if it's an EU regulation or a chinese plot to sell new screwdrivers
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2016-06-28T20:55:13 < Steffanx> spanner.
2016-06-28T20:56:47 < Steffanx> or spanner slotted. or whatever.
2016-06-28T20:57:52 < jadew> thanks
2016-06-28T20:58:00 < jadew> ah, makes sense, because it looks like a spanner
2016-06-28T21:00:29  * Laurenceb__ is getting confused by Qt
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2016-06-28T21:01:10 < Laurenceb__> I have void newConnection(int devicetype)
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2016-06-28T21:01:21 < Laurenceb__> which is used as a SLOT
2016-06-28T21:01:41 < Laurenceb__> ./build/moc_connectionmanager.cpp:        case 8: _t->newConnection((*reinterpret_cast< int(*)>(_a[1]))); break;
2016-06-28T21:02:01 < Laurenceb__> i'm confused by that
2016-06-28T21:02:19 < Laurenceb__> am I passing correctly? It expects an int rather than int pointer?
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2016-06-28T22:25:42 < kakimir> hello LAurenceB!
2016-06-28T22:26:08 < kakimir> how is your brexit hangover today?
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2016-06-28T22:43:26 < kakimir> I wonder if there is product potential for lipo retrofitting kit
2016-06-28T22:43:33 < kakimir> ?
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2016-06-28T22:43:43 < kakimir> I have been thinking about it for a while
2016-06-28T22:47:08 < kakimir> KICAD time!
2016-06-28T22:47:52 < kakimir> project initialized!
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2016-06-28T22:52:53 < Laurenceb__> top kek http://yournewswire.com/i-was-in-the-illuminati-im-going-to-tell-you-everything-shocking-expose/
2016-06-28T22:53:54 < Steffanx> tldr;
2016-06-28T22:54:56 < Laurenceb__> moar liek tsdr
2016-06-28T23:01:52 < kakimir> is barrack antikrist Laurenceb__ ?
2016-06-28T23:03:38 < Laurenceb__> no he's a Kenyan muslim
2016-06-28T23:03:46 < Laurenceb__> everyone knows that
2016-06-28T23:09:10 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: lame story
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2016-06-28T23:11:48 < Laurenceb__> yeah but the evidence is indisputable
2016-06-28T23:13:00 < Laurenceb__> http://www.infowars.com/new-obama-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/
2016-06-28T23:13:05 < Laurenceb__> Alex Jones says so
2016-06-28T23:13:41 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/wOf3Slg.gif
2016-06-28T23:14:36 < kakimir> why does jones seem like he is on some drugs?
2016-06-28T23:14:53 < kakimir> he's slow and complete lack of drive
2016-06-28T23:19:47 < kakimir> lights are on and no one is home
2016-06-28T23:19:58 < kakimir> they got him
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2016-06-28T23:23:41 < Steffanx> sudo make sense kakimir.
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2016-06-28T23:29:50 < Laurenceb__> Hackitten is not a fan of Brexit http://mayaposch.blogspot.co.uk/
2016-06-28T23:30:12 < Laurenceb__> Even though part of me continues to optimistically march forward through this hellscape that is life, the remainder feels just pain and wishes for death.
2016-06-28T23:30:26 < Laurenceb__> wow take a happy pill O_o
2016-06-28T23:31:03 < Laurenceb__> a simple tank of nitrogen with a breathing mask and it'd all be over
2016-06-28T23:31:08 < Laurenceb__> peak ##electronics
2016-06-28T23:31:50 < Steffanx> another of Laurenceb__ obsessions: hackkitten
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2016-06-28T23:33:03 < Laurenceb__> its good, no matter how much I fail, I can always see what utter failure looks like
2016-06-28T23:33:32 < Steffanx> i think it's more like a mirror: How silly can i be.
2016-06-28T23:33:39 < Steffanx> *am i
2016-06-28T23:34:36 < Laurenceb__> well on a certain level yeah its pretty silly to even visit that blog
2016-06-28T23:37:34 < Laurenceb__> I wish emdrive guys would finally admit they were conned
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2016-06-28T23:55:23 < kakimir>  no you don't
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2016-06-28T23:59:23 < kakimir> why you would wish something you don't get joy of?
2016-06-28T23:59:41 < kakimir> are you finally bored?
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2016-06-29T00:43:32 < Laurenceb__> maybe I should troll their channel
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2016-06-29T01:01:02 < englishman> ohsix: got refunded from cx30 scam
2016-06-29T01:21:15 < dongs> ST + NXP have 'product longevity' statements on their websites
2016-06-29T01:21:19 < dongs> wehre's one for atmel/microchip?
2016-06-29T01:22:04 < Sync> they don't roll like that
2016-06-29T01:23:49 < dongs> cleraly
2016-06-29T01:23:55 < dongs> err, clearly, too
2016-06-29T01:23:55 < dongs> but.
2016-06-29T01:24:00 < dongs> shouldn't they hav something?
2016-06-29T01:28:30 < dongs> wait waht?
2016-06-29T01:28:31 < dongs> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10256733
2016-06-29T01:28:35 < dongs> did this fail or something?
2016-06-29T01:29:07 < dongs> http://www.dialog-semiconductor.com/content/dialog-semiconductor-acquire-atmel-46-billion
2016-06-29T01:29:43 < dongs> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-13/atmel-says-microchip-offer-superior-to-dialog-semiconductor-bid
2016-06-29T01:29:47 < dongs> oh haha
2016-06-29T01:31:32 < dongs> Atmel will consider any changes to the merger agreement from Dialog up until 5 p.m. California time on Jan. 19. If it terminates the agreement with Dialog, Atmel will pay a $137 million termination fee.
2016-06-29T01:31:36 < dongs> ownt
2016-06-29T01:31:46 < Sync> wat
2016-06-29T01:32:06 < dongs> apparently atmel sealed the deal to be bought by dialog and then terminated it
2016-06-29T01:32:10 < dongs> when microchip came along
2016-06-29T01:32:40 < Steffanx> and then microchip screwed over the atmel employees
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2016-06-29T01:34:14 < Steffanx> http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1329412
2016-06-29T01:53:01 < dongs> ya saw that one
2016-06-29T01:53:06 < dongs> that was just one guy tho
2016-06-29T02:01:26 < Steffanx> Why are you web clienting mr crt?
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2016-06-29T02:02:59 < Steffanx> no.
2016-06-29T02:03:13 < Rob235> wtf.... http://mashable.com/2016/06/26/swimming-pool-coca-cola/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-main-link#t3T3ggaGVkqE
2016-06-29T02:03:18 < Rob235> what a waste of money
2016-06-29T02:03:22 < Rob235> and time
2016-06-29T02:04:59 < Steffanx> everything for the 17million views.
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2016-06-29T02:07:03 < Steffanx> lol what are you on crt?
2016-06-29T02:07:45 < PeterM> in murica thats probably $100 worth of coke, because its mroe readily available and cheaper than bottled water?
2016-06-29T02:07:54 < PeterM> crt only does whippits
2016-06-29T02:08:19 < Rob235> what drugs you into
2016-06-29T02:08:37 < Steffanx> Don't forget the pastic bag over your head.
2016-06-29T02:09:07 < Steffanx> noo, we neeeed you
2016-06-29T02:09:22 < Steffanx> because.
2016-06-29T02:10:05 < Steffanx> the question is, who broke the stuff in the first place?
2016-06-29T02:10:21 < Steffanx> you are in the reparing business?
2016-06-29T02:10:26 < Steffanx> repairing.
2016-06-29T02:12:37 < Steffanx> im not.
2016-06-29T02:12:45 < Steffanx> dutchland != deutschland
2016-06-29T02:14:46 < Steffanx> work and sleep well sir.
2016-06-29T02:23:06 < dongs> ufcking lunix
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2016-06-29T02:42:09 < Rob235> Any idea what the power requirements are for the 1080?
2016-06-29T02:43:48 < Rob235> I have a microatx or whatever system with a smallish psu, I have a 980 water cooled right now and evga is releasing the 1080 with the waterblock on it so it would be a good upgrade if power isn't too much higher
2016-06-29T02:44:35 < Rob235> no, its the evga 980 with waterblock originally on it
2016-06-29T02:44:46 < Rob235> hydro copper or whatever they call it
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2016-06-29T02:49:38 < Rob235> http://imgur.com/a/mdOyB
2016-06-29T02:50:17 < Rob235> wiring isn't very neat but they are too short to get in there clean
2016-06-29T02:52:27 < Rob235> its hooked up to my tv, its a gaming htpc
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2016-06-29T02:55:35 < Rob235> should I get a steam controller? I use the wireless xbox360 controllers now
2016-06-29T02:56:27 < Rob235> probably not worth it
2016-06-29T03:13:16 < Rob235> I don't hate keyboards but it's hard to play mouse/kb games laying in bed, I haven't run into any problems using the xbox360 controller though since pretty much every game supports it
2016-06-29T03:13:35 < Rob235> at least any game Id want to play
2016-06-29T03:17:45 < dongs> lmao watercooled
2016-06-29T03:17:52 < dongs> stop buying triple-slot cards
2016-06-29T03:18:04 < dongs> ive never owned anything double slot and my altium runs at 60fps
2016-06-29T03:18:31 < Rob235> triple slot card?
2016-06-29T03:18:42 < Rob235> its not
2016-06-29T03:19:00 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/RBIa8Ri.gifv typical japanese activity
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2016-06-29T03:19:38 < Rob235> you just like hating on everything
2016-06-29T03:20:01 < Rob235> i wanted a small quiet computer, water cooled is good for that
2016-06-29T03:20:33 < anton02> do registers all have the same names and the same bit names on f7 and f4
2016-06-29T03:20:49 < dongs> its mostly same peripherals, yes
2016-06-29T03:22:23 < anton02> Rob235, my radiator is large enough that it doesn't need a fan so yeah its quite quiet
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2016-06-29T03:23:37 < Rob235> mine has fans but they run slow enough that I can't hear them
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2016-06-29T03:27:59 < Rob235> wtf is it
2016-06-29T03:28:13 < Rob235> an rpg?
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2016-06-29T03:29:04 < Rob235> I wish there were more couch co-op games for pc
2016-06-29T03:29:11 < Rob235> last good one was enter the gungeon
2016-06-29T03:30:49 < Rob235> ?
2016-06-29T03:31:38 < Rob235> how would adding a feature limit their market?
2016-06-29T03:31:46 < Rob235> never heard of it
2016-06-29T03:31:49 < dongs> Rob235: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
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2016-06-29T03:32:03 < Rob235> dongs seriously stfu, I don't care what you have to say
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2016-06-29T03:32:10 < dongs> me neither!
2016-06-29T03:32:14 < dongs> thats why im telling you to stfu
2016-06-29T03:32:15 < dongs> lolol
2016-06-29T03:32:27 < Rob235> I'm not talking to you, you were talking to me
2016-06-29T03:34:08 < dongs> thats not how irc works
2016-06-29T03:34:11 < Rob235> yea I just mean split screen or whatever, I guess same room works
2016-06-29T03:35:01 < Rob235> because you don't have friends?
2016-06-29T03:35:18 < Rob235> hah
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2016-06-29T03:35:59 < Rob235> I just don't see why you would say playing a game with a friend is lame
2016-06-29T03:37:09 < dongs> are there any games for STM32
2016-06-29T03:39:24 < Rob235> its garbage though, gears of war ultimate edition came out on consoles with split screen but it came out on pc without it
2016-06-29T03:40:12 < Rob235> in your opinion
2016-06-29T03:40:30 < anton02> there's a hack you can use to unlock split screen in UT3 PC because it was accidently ported from the console version
2016-06-29T03:40:45 < Rob235> what do you mean
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2016-06-29T03:41:19 < anton02> that you didn't experience the golden era of split screen console gaming
2016-06-29T03:43:25 < Rob235> I'm not even looking for fps, but I wouldn't mind one
2016-06-29T03:43:38 < dongs> Be forewarned, I already tried to hire some else for this who thought they were pretty well versed with Arduino but he said he ran into a problem uploading the code called "stk500 error". He said he could most likely get it to work by ordering an XBee Wireless Module so he could upload the code wirelessly.Be forewarned, I already tried to hire some else for this who thought they were pretty well versed with Arduino but he said he ran into a problem uploading the code
2016-06-29T03:43:46 < dongs> haha
2016-06-29T03:44:29 < zyp> such skills
2016-06-29T03:44:33 < decimad> when's the next steam sale?
2016-06-29T03:44:39 < decimad> :)
2016-06-29T03:45:04 < dongs> If you know what you are doing I don't think this should take you much longer than 2 weeks, so I am going to set the time for 3 weeks, to give a week leniency.
2016-06-29T03:45:33 < zyp> dongs, to do what?
2016-06-29T03:45:45 < dongs> zyp, some tarduino project on freecancer
2016-06-29T03:45:47 < dongs> like a 5 minute job
2016-06-29T03:45:48 < decimad> dafuq, summer sale is on an I didnt notice!
2016-06-29T03:45:53 < dongs> countdown timer and toggle a relay every minute
2016-06-29T03:45:55 < dongs> for 0.5 seconds
2016-06-29T03:45:59 < dongs> apparently some paki failed to do that
2016-06-29T03:48:41 < zyp> naturally, he didn't have xbee
2016-06-29T03:48:58 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Analog-CMOS-Design-integrated-circuits/ job for R2COM
2016-06-29T03:53:35 < upgrdman> anyone know of some quality color LCDs that are easy to talk to with a micro. like ips screen with spi? (i know... but ya.)
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2016-06-29T05:31:15 < dongs> nice
2016-06-29T05:31:18 < dongs> another dicktrace success story
2016-06-29T05:31:25 < dongs> some shithead sent us a .dxf to import
2016-06-29T05:31:36 < dongs> origin: 3 fucking meters to the right of 0,0
2016-06-29T05:31:44 < dongs> altium chokes on that shit instantly
2016-06-29T05:32:02 < dongs> opened up in dicktrace, (which has PCB area that apparently can go more than 3 meters in any direction)
2016-06-29T05:32:19 < dongs> figured out how much crap was offset by, used those numbers to fix altidong import, success
2016-06-29T05:32:49 < dongs> R2BRO can YOUR pro-soft make a PCB 3 meters in size?!
2016-06-29T05:40:35 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/YfG6edx.gifv egypt delivers
2016-06-29T05:43:42 < PeterM> i need a frame by frame of the new pilots
2016-06-29T05:44:38 < dongs> heh yeah, can probly stick ongfycat which has the scrub bar
2016-06-29T05:44:45 < dongs> but i thikn i saw some butts flying
2016-06-29T05:45:27 < PeterM> i think i saw 3, two to the left and one striaght
2016-06-29T05:54:15 < dongs> i finally got hdmi to DP working for 2048x1536 panels
2016-06-29T05:54:18 < dongs> time to get filthy rich
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2016-06-29T06:08:44 < dongs> ya maybne from burning who knows
2016-06-29T06:08:50 < dongs> or maybe from bombs they were carrying
2016-06-29T06:10:30 < dongs> ya
2016-06-29T06:10:33 < dongs> no good pics of that tho
2016-06-29T06:10:37 < dongs> just retarded fuzzy security cams
2016-06-29T06:12:06 < dongs> with that, don't fly malaysian airlines flying over russia, either
2016-06-29T06:12:28 < dongs> lol
2016-06-29T06:12:29 < dongs> and?
2016-06-29T06:12:31 < dongs> got shut down?
2016-06-29T06:12:34 < dongs> nice
2016-06-29T06:12:46 < dongs> it probably should have
2016-06-29T06:14:19 < dongs> pro trolling
2016-06-29T06:15:29 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1901830059/titanium-straightedge-for-artists-builders-designe more pro trolling
2016-06-29T06:17:51 < emeb> dongs: was reviewing my LCD code today - I actually have a DMA-based routine in there that's working.
2016-06-29T06:17:52 < dongs> literally selling a piece of fucking metal
2016-06-29T06:17:53 < dongs> for $25
2016-06-29T06:18:00 < dongs> emeb: orly
2016-06-29T06:18:08 < emeb> totally forgot about it. :P
2016-06-29T06:18:13 < dongs> waht did it do for > 64k?
2016-06-29T06:18:21 < emeb> didn't :)
2016-06-29T06:18:31 < emeb> the stemwin drivers don't use > 64k
2016-06-29T06:18:35 < dongs> ah
2016-06-29T06:18:43 < dongs> ah, right. they probably just send small updates
2016-06-29T06:18:47 < emeb> yep
2016-06-29T06:19:24 < emeb> did have something strange tho - on the F7 nucleo I have non-blocking DMA working with IRQ @ end of transfer to finish up.
2016-06-29T06:19:34 < emeb> but same code does not work on my F7 board
2016-06-29T06:19:52 < emeb> which uses different SPI port (and thus different DMA chl & IRQ)
2016-06-29T06:20:07 < emeb> no idea wtf is going on there.
2016-06-29T06:20:25 < dongs> well, maybe you copypasted and forgot some channel/DMA setting somewehre?
2016-06-29T06:20:37 < dongs> i was thinking to move the LCD ot SPI1
2016-06-29T06:20:40 < dongs> to see if I can drive it at 40mhz
2016-06-29T06:20:53 < emeb> yeah, could be. Have spent a lot of time staring at it tho w/o spotting anything.
2016-06-29T06:21:04 < emeb> SPI port and DMA work fine - just the IRQ never triggers.
2016-06-29T06:21:14 < dongs> did you turn it on with NVIC? duh
2016-06-29T06:21:21 < dongs> and actually turned on the correct one
2016-06-29T06:21:41 < emeb> finkso. been a while since I looked at it though so can't be sure now.
2016-06-29T06:21:55 < dongs> too much dongs
2016-06-29T06:22:00 < emeb> zactly
2016-06-29T06:22:25 < emeb> anyway, not a big deal. non-blocking doesn't buy much.
2016-06-29T06:22:43 < dongs> yeah i think not with small updates
2016-06-29T06:26:04 < dongs> if I ever get to do this lcd lib properly I think I'll add a check, if < xx pixels then just do it by spiWrite but for longer stuff use DMA
2016-06-29T06:26:13 < dongs> beause DMA setup overhead probably becomes dumber at some point
2016-06-29T06:33:44 < emeb> maybe.
2016-06-29T06:33:57 < emeb> difference is pretty minor - just a few more reg writes.
2016-06-29T06:34:07 < dongs> does emwin have at least some small framebuffer for doing temporary work?
2016-06-29T06:34:12 < dongs> or does it dump everything to screen immediately
2016-06-29T06:34:16 < emeb> plus the CPU just sits in busywait for the DMA to finish.
2016-06-29T06:34:43 < emeb> dongs: stemwin does seem to do some local buffering and just blit to the screen.
2016-06-29T06:35:14 < emeb> and there is an option to do full buffering if you want to do fancy blends and gradients.
2016-06-29T06:35:27 < emeb> but it uses a buttload of RAM of course.
2016-06-29T06:36:07 < emeb> about 1/2 the onchip RAM of the F7. Probably all of it for an F4
2016-06-29T06:38:49 < dongs> fuill buffeR?
2016-06-29T06:38:55 < dongs> F4 doesnt have enough for full buffer @ 240x240
2016-06-29T06:38:56 < dongs> er 320
2016-06-29T06:39:05 < dongs> thats 153k or wahtever
2016-06-29T06:39:08 < dongs> 150k
2016-06-29T06:39:22 < dongs> you can't DMA out of CCM trash and probably no sane way to split it into 2 buffers anyway.
2016-06-29T06:39:23 < emeb> F405 has 192k
2016-06-29T06:39:27 < dongs> not total
2016-06-29T06:39:30 < emeb> true
2016-06-29T06:39:31 < dongs> er i mean not continous
2016-06-29T06:39:47 < dongs> its 128 real and 64k ccm right?
2016-06-29T06:39:51 < emeb> ya
2016-06-29T06:40:05 < emeb> f7 has like 320k
2016-06-29T06:40:11 < emeb> but it's also in chunks
2016-06-29T06:40:16 < dongs> heh
2016-06-29T06:41:03 < emeb> so here's a fun one: on that china LCD - I don't bother to drive the backlight input pin.
2016-06-29T06:41:21 < emeb> earlier I tied it to +3.3V & worked fine.
2016-06-29T06:41:48 < emeb> on new board I don't have 3.3V close so temporarily wired the LED enable pin to +5V
2016-06-29T06:42:02 < emeb> now the little driver chip gets super hot.
2016-06-29T06:42:09 < dongs> lols
2016-06-29T06:42:30 < dongs> i have a BL pin too
2016-06-29T06:42:31 < emeb> probably need to put a 10k resistor in there or something
2016-06-29T06:42:33 < dongs> i just leave that shit floating
2016-06-29T06:42:42 < dongs> tying it to gnd turns off
2016-06-29T06:42:46 < emeb> hrmmm
2016-06-29T06:42:48 < dongs> but my chinklcd had a 3V/5V switch
2016-06-29T06:42:51 < emeb> didn't try that.
2016-06-29T06:42:52 < dongs> jumper or whatever
2016-06-29T06:44:14 < emeb> nope - floating signal -> no backlight
2016-06-29T06:44:17 < dongs>  ownt
2016-06-29T06:44:23 < dongs> i guess my shit has a pullup or somethin
2016-06-29T06:44:45 < emeb> ya
2016-06-29T06:44:56 < emeb> heh - even 10k pullup  has no effect
2016-06-29T06:44:59 < dongs> hy28A or someshit, chinagarbage special
2016-06-29T06:45:50 < emeb> 1k almost works - very weak backlight.
2016-06-29T06:46:35 < dongs> hah
2016-06-29T06:46:37 < dongs> to 3V?
2016-06-29T06:46:38 < dongs> or 5V
2016-06-29T06:46:45 < emeb> ya
2016-06-29T06:46:48 < emeb> 5V
2016-06-29T06:47:56 < emeb> 100ohm is brighter but it's dropping like 2.2V -> 22ma
2016-06-29T06:48:07 < dongs> tiem to find 3.3v pin
2016-06-29T06:50:20 < emeb> heh - it's pulling 55ma from the +3.3
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2016-06-29T06:51:15 < emeb> it's like the backlight pin is tied direct to the LED anodes w/ no switching.
2016-06-29T06:51:32 < dongs> what a shock
2016-06-29T06:53:04 < emeb> heh
2016-06-29T06:53:32 < emeb> the adafruit LCDs have a logic level control w/ FET on the board
2016-06-29T06:53:55 < dongs> thats ok its stil lchinese trash
2016-06-29T06:54:19 < emeb> bbiaw
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2016-06-29T06:54:26 < dongs> w = week?
2016-06-29T06:59:32 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/GDU2xh8.gifv
2016-06-29T06:59:34 < dongs> haha
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2016-06-29T07:08:59 < dongs> PeterM: https://i.imgur.com/tU56iIW.gifv slowmo
2016-06-29T07:09:17 < dongs> haha fuckin great
2016-06-29T07:15:07 < anton02> are those his intestines
2016-06-29T07:16:09 < dongs> yes
2016-06-29T07:16:52 < dongs> are those tweezers
2016-06-29T07:16:57 < dongs> on teh rigght
2016-06-29T07:17:05 < dongs> wait yeah that
2016-06-29T07:17:06 < dongs> omg
2016-06-29T07:17:26 < dongs> EASYBRAID & CO
2016-06-29T07:20:44 < PeterM> dongs 10/10
2016-06-29T07:32:50 < anton02> ST website annoys me a fair bit The Web Server may be down, too busy, or experiencing other problems preventing it from responding to requests. You may wish to try again at a later time.
2016-06-29T07:38:24 < dongs> why do you need to view their website
2016-06-29T07:38:48 < anton02> forums
2016-06-29T07:39:45 < dongs> lol forums
2016-06-29T07:39:48 < dongs> ST forums are fucking useless
2016-06-29T07:39:51 < dongs> except for clive1 posts
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2016-06-29T07:52:06 < dongs> https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/06/28/police-investigating-house-explosion-in-mississauga.html
2016-06-29T07:52:09 < dongs> lol retweeting
2016-06-29T08:20:01 < anton02> noice https://www.facebook.com/show.leo/videos/1167879826629184/
2016-06-29T08:30:42 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga5JrN9DrVI haha
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2016-06-29T09:02:22 < anton02> someone did this with hub5 matrices https://github.com/hzeller/rpi-rgb-led-matrix/raw/master/img/user-action-shot.jpg
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2016-06-29T09:30:19 < anton02> hub75 i mean
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2016-06-29T10:04:30 < dongs> was ordering verical
2016-06-29T10:04:32 < dongs> chat window popped up
2016-06-29T10:04:35 < dongs> i thought, why not!
2016-06-29T10:04:40 < dongs> now chatting to see if I can jew them down the price a bit
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2016-06-29T10:05:10 < dongs> anton02: how many matrices is taht
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2016-06-29T10:05:22 < jpa-> ask dajew for some jewing help
2016-06-29T10:08:17 < dongs> is bandcamp free or something
2016-06-29T10:08:24 < dongs> I just listened through entire soundtrack on there
2016-06-29T10:08:28 < dongs> which they sell for $9.99 CAD
2016-06-29T10:08:32 < dongs> but why do they let me listen
2016-06-29T10:09:09 < anton02> dont know. they come in different sizes. looks like a fair few though
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2016-06-29T10:10:36 < dongs> failed
2016-06-29T10:10:45 < dongs> anton02: the "sizE" is pitch
2016-06-29T10:10:49 < dongs> but they're all 64x32 orw ahtever
2016-06-29T10:11:02 < anton02> nah. they come in different pitch and sizes
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2016-06-29T10:12:09 < anton02> what is this catto doing https://i.4cdn.org/g/1467122556255.jpg
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2016-06-29T10:15:53 < dongs> verical is so great
2016-06-29T10:16:07 < dongs> its liek arrows scambiz division
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2016-06-29T10:28:43 < dongs> anton02: link to project
2016-06-29T10:29:41 < dongs> found
2016-06-29T10:30:38 < anton02> nah that guy didn't do the writeup. hes just a random that followed that guide and then sent a pic of his setup to the author
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2016-06-29T10:37:43 < dongs> you keep pasting this shit
2016-06-29T10:37:49 < dongs> youre gonna make me order liek 100 of these panels
2016-06-29T10:41:40 < anton02> im surprised that it runs that well with Pi. I didn't think its GPIO could reach that speed
2016-06-29T10:41:51 < dongs> yeah no fuckin idea
2016-06-29T10:41:56 < dongs> i ahve a dingleberry somewehre
2016-06-29T10:42:03 < dongs> I should load that shit up and measure what hte pins output
2016-06-29T10:42:23 < dongs> does his writeup somewhere in that readme.md mention what mhz the pins are toggling at?
2016-06-29T10:43:10 < anton02> he doesnt explicility mention the speed but he says its so fast that the inductance of the wiring becomes an issue
2016-06-29T10:43:16 < dongs> right
2016-06-29T10:43:29 < dongs> its only an issue if youre using a fucking shitberrypi
2016-06-29T10:44:50 < anton02> im contemplating get a 1Ghz pi zero for this now
2016-06-29T10:45:36 < jpa-> piblaster etc. go pretty fast also, i wonder if it uses a similar technique
2016-06-29T10:52:09 < upgrdman> dongs, whats nice about vertical. never looked at them before.
2016-06-29T10:52:23 < dongs> upgrdman: cheap prices, ok service, they finally shitcanned the dumb per-line handling fee
2016-06-29T10:52:29 < dongs> now they're pretty legit
2016-06-29T10:54:23 < upgrdman> bookmarked
2016-06-29T10:54:33 < upgrdman> they better than mouser on pricing?
2016-06-29T10:54:41 < upgrdman> digikey is like the worst for pricing
2016-06-29T10:58:05 < jpa-> haha, _abc_ on ##electronics is raging that it is ok to leak RAM and then just reboot daily, and that this is the standard way to design embedded systems
2016-06-29T10:58:36 < mitrax_> ...
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2016-06-29T11:00:11 < PeterM> jpa-, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXScRvd0Zs
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2016-06-29T11:03:43 < dongs> oh haha
2016-06-29T11:03:46 < dongs> discuission betwee_abc_ and lope
2016-06-29T11:03:58 < dongs> this is worth scrolling up for
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2016-06-29T12:29:01 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/threed-design/Mechanical-engineering-Thesis-printing/
2016-06-29T12:29:04 < dongs> haha
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2016-06-29T13:04:01 < jpa-> uh.. people nearby are talking about utf8-encoding their firmware upgrades..
2016-06-29T13:04:52 < anton02> how does NVIC blend in with DMA?
2016-06-29T13:05:15 < jpa-> fine, or not at all?
2016-06-29T13:09:10 < dongs> let's send it to blendtec to find out
2016-06-29T13:09:20 < dongs> will it blend? DMA or NVIC!
2016-06-29T13:09:43 < dongs> semiconductor smoke! don't breathe this.
2016-06-29T13:10:05 < dongs> jpa-: too much node.js
2016-06-29T13:10:41 < jpa-> dongs: probably
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2016-06-29T13:17:40 < karlp> unicode != utf8.
2016-06-29T13:18:07 < karlp> you in this case.
2016-06-29T13:18:31 < BrainDamage> just base64 the data, then you can be utf-8 safe with a simple ascii table translation
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2016-06-29T13:20:34 < dongs> hipster-safe
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2016-06-29T13:29:08 < dongs> hm time to make footprint for SOD-523
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2016-06-29T14:03:09 < dongs> > IOT
2016-06-29T14:03:11 < dongs> > 100Mhz wide cahnnels
2016-06-29T14:03:16 < dongs> > 3gbit/second data rates
2016-06-29T14:03:16 < dongs> the fuck
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2016-06-29T14:37:45 < dongs> way too late for autism chats
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2016-06-29T14:56:49 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/kBYDssM.jpg buying a bunch asap
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2016-06-29T15:22:10 < jadew> dongs, you should, they're HD
2016-06-29T15:22:28 < jadew> oh wait, it's a freaking camera
2016-06-29T15:22:34 < jadew> that's not a bad idea
2016-06-29T15:22:45 < jadew> do they also make light?
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2016-06-29T15:26:39 < anton02> sounds kinda creepy
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2016-06-29T15:39:46 < anton02> "By way of example, the Raspberry Pi Foundation says the Pi’s overall performance is comparable with a PC using an Intel Pentium 2 processor clocked at 300MHz
2016-06-29T15:39:46 < anton02> Read more: http://www.itproportal.com/2013/04/25/raspberry-pi-what-are-its-limitations/#ixzz4CyIfxGSQ"
2016-06-29T15:39:51 < anton02> didn't know it was so shit
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2016-06-29T15:49:12 < karlp> anton02: that's pi1, and yeah, it was kinda slack
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2016-06-29T15:54:30 < upgrdman> whats pi3 like, processor wise
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2016-06-29T16:53:00 < Getty> mh i am confused, went to some URL of some china electronics sample code, and the mainpage redirect me directly to the chinese version of the product
2016-06-29T16:53:43 < Getty> is it really so that china still primary sells internally that stuff and so chinese is still primary language? and we outside in majority get only the ending products?
2016-06-29T16:54:29 < PeterM> yes
2016-06-29T16:54:46 < BrainDamage> they have 1G people there, it's not particularry surprising
2016-06-29T16:55:37 < Getty> no not really, even really logical... if most of them are actually doing assembly, then they need to buy the parts for it
2016-06-29T16:56:06 < Getty> i just assumed somehow that they produce also the parts for a wider world market, but the more i see the more i get that its not that way ;)
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2016-06-29T17:01:53 < ReadError> molex datasheets are ESL
2016-06-29T17:02:25 < Laurenceb__> http://grrrgraphics.com/uploads/7/4/7/3/74734153/7042595_orig.jpg
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2016-06-29T17:25:08 < Steffanx> And then the nice sun etc turns out to be a fata morganaish thing
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2016-06-29T17:37:03 < Laurenceb__> oh noes
2016-06-29T17:37:05 < Laurenceb__> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d8f_1467166620
2016-06-29T17:37:55 < Sync> wat
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2016-06-29T18:19:53 < daey> talking about china. im really waiting for more infos on the new super computer. if its true, what they claim... Is it reasonable to assume that they are working on a mainstream cpu?
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2016-06-29T18:20:39 < daey> or they ripped off intels tech to produce a local one hit wonder, which cant be marketed outside due to patent laws
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2016-06-29T18:22:51 < BrainDamage> they do have a mainstream cpu under development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loongson
2016-06-29T18:23:13 < karlp> already been a few revs of that,
2016-06-29T18:23:26 < jpa-> loooongson is long
2016-06-29T18:24:02 < karlp> it's old mips isa compat anyway isn't it?
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2016-06-29T18:24:44 < BrainDamage> to my knowledge it's full mips eversince ST got a license for it
2016-06-29T18:27:24 < Laurenceb__> aiui loooongson is a mips clone
2016-06-29T18:28:12 < BrainDamage> yeah, they developed the arch themselves based off the mips spec
2016-06-29T18:28:35 < BrainDamage> but part of the isa was patented, so they needed a license to implement it completely
2016-06-29T18:28:46 < karlp> heh, full x86 emulation mode
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2016-06-29T19:43:32 < kisielk> hm, no luck getting itm on my stm32f373 yet :/
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2016-06-29T19:47:10 < Laurenceb__> using openocd?
2016-06-29T19:48:44 < jpa-> http://img.yle.fi/uutiset/ulkomaat/article8993175.ece/ALTERNATES/w580/2906%20David%20Cameron,%20Angela%20Merkel%20ja%20Juha%20Sipil%C3%A4%20Brysseliss%C3%A4%20tiistaina..jpg  what is angela merkel saying about our PM's dick?
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2016-06-29T19:53:31 < jpa-> kisielk: you may have to configure the io pin mode or something
2016-06-29T19:55:47 < kisielk> yeah I have configured it based on the instructions here: http://essentialscrap.com/tips/arm_trace/theory.html but I feel like maybe my clocking of it is not configured properly. In pulseview I keep seeing framing errors in the USART warning lane
2016-06-29T19:57:10 < jpa-> those instructions are for F1 only, F3 has a bit different GPIO config
2016-06-29T19:57:24 < jpa-> but if you are getting atleast something, then it is working that far
2016-06-29T19:57:51 < jpa-> you can measure bit lengths in sigrok to see what bitrate it is running at
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2016-06-29T20:19:52 < kisielk> yeah, I accounted for the different GPIO config as far as I can tell
2016-06-29T20:21:49 < Laurenceb__> oh noes https://twitter.com/rfmwguy/status/748157828951572481/photo/1
2016-06-29T20:24:52 < BrainDamage> oh noes the force doesn't return to 0 so there's a long term effect eg thermal?
2016-06-29T20:25:46 < BrainDamage> moreover, why does higher power doesn't translate in higher derivative?
2016-06-29T20:30:30 < kisielk> argh zooming in pulseview is so frustrating
2016-06-29T20:30:32 < Laurenceb__> I think I see whats happening
2016-06-29T20:30:52 < Laurenceb__> the heating of the magnetron causes its magnetic field strength to change
2016-06-29T20:30:58 < jpa-> kisielk: hm, works for me?
2016-06-29T20:30:59 < Laurenceb__> that causes a changing torque
2016-06-29T20:31:22 < kisielk> maybe it's an OSX problem... it's just always super slow, and I can't figure out how to zoom in on a particular region
2016-06-29T20:32:13 < kisielk> here's the output I get after decoding: https://www.dropbox.com/s/r71uvyybpmxm60r/Screenshot%202016-06-29%2010.31.49.png?dl=0
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2016-06-29T20:32:40 < kisielk> but that UART RX lane has a bunch of "framing error" after each packet, not sure why, it looks like it's got all the bits including the stop bit
2016-06-29T20:33:26 < jpa-> well the decode result is pretty crazy also
2016-06-29T20:33:37 < kisielk> that too
2016-06-29T20:33:47 < jpa-> zoom in on the uart stuff and show screenshot of that?
2016-06-29T20:34:58 < kisielk> https://www.dropbox.com/s/29mwi5g6ygm5jii/Screenshot%202016-06-29%2010.34.52.png?dl=0
2016-06-29T20:35:32 < jpa-> looks like wrong bitrate
2016-06-29T20:35:38 < jpa-> stop bit should be high
2016-06-29T20:35:51 < kisielk> hm
2016-06-29T20:35:55 < kisielk> here's the code I am using: https://gist.github.com/kisielk/f3c52ece2f040b9a3cba8ff7c5a97b2a
2016-06-29T20:37:08 < jpa-> what frequency is your cpu running at?
2016-06-29T20:37:34 < kisielk> yeah I just noticed that, ACPR should be 8 not 9 :) I'm at 72 MHz
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2016-06-29T20:37:48 < jpa-> :)
2016-06-29T20:37:55 < kisielk> that seems to have fixed the framing errors
2016-06-29T20:38:07 < kisielk> now I get this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/do63ejl3qphx12e/Screenshot%202016-06-29%2010.37.58.png?dl=0 .. doesn't seem to have decoded anything from the ITM though
2016-06-29T20:38:30 < Laurenceb__> top kek http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/jennifer-lawrence-will-star-as-elizabeth-holmes-in-a-movie-about-theranos
2016-06-29T20:38:55 < jpa-> kisielk: i can't see the left edge, but have you added the ITM decoder on top of the TPIU decoder?
2016-06-29T20:46:25 < kisielk> jpa-: oh sorry for not including that. But yes, the stack is UART - TPIU - ITM
2016-06-29T20:47:02 < kisielk> but the lane below the UART bits just shows ARM TPIU: Stream Data
2016-06-29T20:49:29 < kisielk> nothing at all for ITM
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2016-06-29T21:17:00 < PaulFertser> kisielk: you know about TPIU "formatter"? Not sure if you stack expects it to be enabled or not.
2016-06-29T21:17:07 < PaulFertser> your stack
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2016-06-29T21:19:47 < kisielk> yeah, I think that's set correctly.. wrote 0x102 to the FFCR
2016-06-29T21:30:09 < ReadError> https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/blogger-calls-samsung-phones-default-213116150.html
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2016-06-29T21:46:46 < mra90> is anybody here familiar with CAN physical and functional addressing ?
2016-06-29T21:55:24 < kisielk> jpa-: Can I send you my capture to have a look? I got something via the ITM decoder, but it doesn't look right at all
2016-06-29T21:55:50 < kisielk> would be much appreciated :)
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2016-06-29T22:19:24 < aandrew> mra90: yes, what are you looking for?
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2016-06-29T22:22:57 < mra90> aandrew: well I wonder how functional addressing really differ from physical one ?
2016-06-29T22:23:29 < mra90> the data frame looks very similar
2016-06-29T22:23:51 < mra90> actually is the saem
2016-06-29T22:23:54 < mra90> same*
2016-06-29T22:25:09 < aandrew> is that CAN or OBD?
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2016-06-29T22:25:43 < mra90> CAN
2016-06-29T22:25:52 < mra90> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN_bus
2016-06-29T22:26:57 < aandrew> this looks very much like an OBD spec; the actual identifier values do nothing in CAN other than create priority
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2016-06-29T22:33:17 < mra90> what indentifier ?
2016-06-29T22:34:45 < Thorn> green stuff in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAN_bus#Data_frame
2016-06-29T22:37:58 < mra90> ok
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2016-06-29T22:44:46 < aandrew> it sounds to me like OBDII reserves a certain block of identifiers for function calls (as opposed to node/data identifiers)
2016-06-29T22:45:18 < aandrew> i.e. ID 0x7f1 might be "emissions report" and you might get a half dozen replies as various nodes with information regarding emissions reports back
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2016-06-29T22:57:16 < mra90> exactly functional adressing should be broadcast
2016-06-29T22:59:51 < aandrew> well in CAN everything is broadcast
2016-06-29T23:00:10 < aandrew> although perhaps functional addresses might have some secret sauce on gateways
2016-06-29T23:00:14 < aandrew> but again that is an OBDII thing
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2016-06-29T23:45:19 < karlp> kisielk: are you setting up itm from oocd or by hard driving it in your own code, or what?
2016-06-29T23:45:39 < kisielk> karlp: https://gist.github.com/kisielk/f3c52ece2f040b9a3cba8ff7c5a97b2a
2016-06-29T23:47:03 < kisielk> so the latter
2016-06-29T23:49:15 < karlp> do you want ETM on or not?
2016-06-29T23:50:09  * karlp hasn't set up ITM by hand for ages now.
2016-06-29T23:50:22  * karlp just let's oocd do it.
2016-06-29T23:51:44 < karlp> haven't done it in sigrok for ages now either honestly.
2016-06-29T23:56:57 < aandrew> I wonder if I can do trace with sigrok and my saleae 16 clone
2016-06-29T23:57:19 < aandrew> I've never done any trace work before, at least not on ARM
2016-06-29T23:57:29 < aandrew> and back in the PIC days it wasn't called trace because you were using an ICE
2016-06-29T23:58:08 < karlp> aandrew: I've used a logic16 style device and sigrok before, can go faster than stlink can capture, and you can get logic stuff at the same time which can be really nice.
2016-06-29T23:58:49 < aandrew> karlp: what do you use to decode the trace data?
2016-06-29T23:59:33 < karlp> normally, swodec from http://git.zapb.de/swodec.git/
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2016-06-30T00:00:02 < karlp> but I've done what kisielk is trying to do and what jpa has done before, it mostly "just worked" but I always found it tiresome doing the init from code,
2016-06-30T00:00:24 < karlp> found running some vile tcl from oocd much easier, even if you're not using stlink to do the capture itself.
2016-06-30T00:01:20 < kisielk> I've just been using discovery boards for programming
2016-06-30T00:01:29 < kisielk> so I'm not sure I can get the trace functionality via that?
2016-06-30T00:02:23 < aandrew> heh "vile tcl" :-)
2016-06-30T00:03:28 < kisielk> karlp: I'd like the option for ETM eventually, but right now just getting basic tracing of the PC with the ITM is what I'm after
2016-06-30T00:04:32 < karlp> aandrew: vile tcl is: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/386480/34254146/
2016-06-30T00:05:29 < aandrew> cd Projcd
2016-06-30T00:05:32 < aandrew> haha
2016-06-30T00:06:04 < karlp> that's to be used in conjunction with oocd's existing "itm ports xxx on | off" stuff, and the existing "tpiu config internal swo.dump.log uart off 24000000" styule command
2016-06-30T00:06:26 < karlp> just replace "internal" with "external" if you want to capture it with an LA or similar instead of the stlink...
2016-06-30T00:06:43 < karlp> that will get all the clocks correct too,
2016-06-30T00:06:54 < aandrew> interesting
2016-06-30T00:07:01 < karlp> kisielk: you're not doing any dynamic clocking right? that will screw up yiour trace formatting hardcore
2016-06-30T00:07:09 < aandrew> I'm going ot have to test this later on so that when I *really* need it I'm not trying ot learn it at the same time
2016-06-30T00:08:26 < karlp> it's pretty amazeballs for some debugging,
2016-06-30T00:08:33 < karlp> totally noisy and far too much volume for others.
2016-06-30T00:09:04 < karlp> I've not got helpers to autowatch variables though, haven't been doing much "real" work in this area in a while :)
2016-06-30T00:09:12 < kisielk> karlp: no, just 8MHz crystal via the PLL to get it up to 72MHz
2016-06-30T00:09:49 < kisielk> karlp: can you capture ITM directly over SWD as well?
2016-06-30T00:10:09 < kisielk> or do yo need a genuine STLink which has a trace pin?
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2016-06-30T00:11:22 < karlp> itm -> tpiu -> swo pin.
2016-06-30T00:11:29 < karlp> stlink can capture that if you tell it to,
2016-06-30T00:11:47 < karlp> or you can watch that pin yourself with your LA or a usb-serial dongle if it can go fast enough
2016-06-30T00:11:59 < karlp> it's not really "SWD" though, it's an extra unrelated pin.
2016-06-30T00:12:15 < karlp> it's on the 6 pin "stlink" header though on all disco/nucleo boards except the f100vl board.
2016-06-30T00:12:21 < karlp> (and nobody uses that piece of junk)
2016-06-30T00:15:38 < kisielk> right, but if I have another hardware module that I'm programming via a disco board
2016-06-30T00:15:59 < kisielk> can I connect its Trace pin to pin 6 of that and read it via openocd?
2016-06-30T00:16:09 < kisielk> or is the logic analyzer the best way?
2016-06-30T00:20:23 < aandrew> karlp: is your helper script related to the trace setup described in https://sourceforge.net/p/openocd/mailman/message/32339068/?
2016-06-30T00:20:25 < karlp> sure, you can connect pin 6 too, and let oocd read it.
2016-06-30T00:23:29 < Rob235> old vape broke, got a new one, this one is pretty sweet: http://imgur.com/wViQYKd
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2016-06-30T00:26:02 < karlp> aandrew: that's the old syntax from 0.8
2016-06-30T00:27:05 < karlp> http://openocd.org/doc-release/html/Architecture-and-Core-Commands.html#ARMv7_002dM-specific-commands has the newest, with examples
2016-06-30T00:29:59 < aandrew> ah I see
2016-06-30T00:30:12 < aandrew> thanks!
2016-06-30T00:34:30 < kakimir> hello BumBs
2016-06-30T00:35:51 < kisielk> karlp: hm I may have to try that as well
2016-06-30T00:36:06 < kisielk> and then you process the ITM file with that swodec program/
2016-06-30T00:36:48 < kakimir> kisielk: you have your ITM problem solved?
2016-06-30T00:37:58 < kisielk> no I don't
2016-06-30T00:38:11 < kisielk> well, I managed to capture something, but the sigrok decoder doesn't decode it into anything sensible
2016-06-30T00:38:26 < kisielk> I'm not sure where the problem lies
2016-06-30T00:38:44 < kisielk> I can provide the sigrok dump if anyone is interested in having a look
2016-06-30T00:40:58 < kakimir> you have the latest sigrok?
2016-06-30T00:41:07 < kakimir> if not what version?
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2016-06-30T00:42:50 < kisielk> I installed 0.3.0 of pulseview from https://github.com/rene-dev/homebrew-sigrok yesterday
2016-06-30T00:43:01 < kisielk> and sigrok etc
2016-06-30T00:43:29 < karlp> kisielk: I'll hav ea look at the sigrok dump,
2016-06-30T00:43:35 < karlp> what core clock do you have?
2016-06-30T00:44:31 < kakimir> I'm pretty sure that trace configs do not match to sigrok's configs
2016-06-30T00:45:04 < kisielk> https://www.dropbox.com/s/1u9xlfyauqpgaf4/stm32f373.sr?dl=0
2016-06-30T00:45:10 < kisielk> core clock is 72MHz
2016-06-30T00:45:13 < kakimir> machester encoding?
2016-06-30T00:45:22 < kisielk> my trace config is here: https://gist.github.com/kisielk/f3c52ece2f040b9a3cba8ff7c5a97b2a
2016-06-30T00:46:04 < kisielk> not manchester, NRZ
2016-06-30T00:46:49 < kakimir> what trace modules you have in use in the chip?
2016-06-30T00:47:19 < karlp> so, what speed where  you hoping to be outputting? what was your desired trace clk?
2016-06-30T00:47:40 < kakimir> is there trace divider in stms?
2016-06-30T00:48:03 < kakimir> like in lpcs
2016-06-30T00:48:43 < karlp> kisielk: what sort of thing are you expecting to be seeing by the way?
2016-06-30T00:48:55 < karlp> lots of irq 28?
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2016-06-30T00:49:52 < kisielk> well, I'm hoping to see PC samples
2016-06-30T00:50:37 < karlp> did you really meant to hav eth e TPIU turned on? it's just a waste of bandwidth if you're not trying to do etm+itm
2016-06-30T00:50:38 < kisielk> the IRQ 28 makes sense, that's TIM2, which I use
2016-06-30T00:51:10 < kisielk> well, I was hoping to use ETM eventually, but for now I just want to get a trace of the PC so I can do some profiling
2016-06-30T00:51:51 < kakimir> what modules you have active now?
2016-06-30T00:52:07 < kakimir> trace modules or whatever are those called..
2016-06-30T00:52:22 < dongs> https://medium.com/@HoskStation/is-revolution-60s-pc-release-just-a-giant-scam-e10a3ad7d0e8
2016-06-30T00:52:55 < karlp> so in your decoder, what did you set the uart clock to?
2016-06-30T00:53:00 < kisielk> 8 MHz
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2016-06-30T00:53:08 < karlp> I thought you said you were getting garbage?
2016-06-30T00:53:26 < kisielk> I fixed that, I had the wrong scale value in ACPR
2016-06-30T00:53:59 < kisielk> so I'm getting what's in this trace now, but I was expecting to see the PC trace in there since it's set up
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2016-06-30T00:56:14 < karlp> i'm not decoding whether your bits are correct sorry,
2016-06-30T00:57:31 < karlp> I think your'e just overflowing
2016-06-30T00:57:41 < karlp> with pc sampling and exception trace and tpiu formatting
2016-06-30T00:57:58 < kakimir> how is PC sampled?
2016-06-30T00:58:08 < karlp> go read adiv5 docs ;)
2016-06-30T00:58:14 < kakimir> is there multiple ways?
2016-06-30T00:59:21 < kisielk> hm ok, I guess I should try to reduce the bandwidth usage
2016-06-30T00:59:33 < karlp> kakimir: yheah, there's a fe different speeds you can try using
2016-06-30T00:59:56 < karlp> sync packets are a waste of bandwidth too ;)
2016-06-30T01:00:09 < Sync> pfft
2016-06-30T01:00:28 < kakimir> there is some feature that samples some address with constant delay?
2016-06-30T01:00:42 < kisielk> I'm pretty new to this whole trace thing
2016-06-30T01:00:58 < kakimir> trace is powerful tool
2016-06-30T01:01:02 < kisielk> so I feel like I'm stumbling around blindly :)
2016-06-30T01:01:27 < karlp> kakimir: for all intents and purposes, trace in stm32 is just like you may know from nxp, given that it's an ADIv5 thing, not a lpc vs stm32 thing
2016-06-30T01:01:40 < kakimir> I know
2016-06-30T01:01:52 < kakimir> but how it's clocked
2016-06-30T01:02:00 < kisielk> I've just been "profiling" by toggling a GPIO and semihosting printing
2016-06-30T01:02:03 < kakimir> is actually nxp vs. stm32 thing
2016-06-30T01:02:55 < kakimir> clock generation
2016-06-30T01:03:09 < karlp> kakimir: no, it's really not.
2016-06-30T01:03:22 < kakimir> then I remember wrong
2016-06-30T01:05:12 < Laurenceb__> https://media.8ch.net/n/src/1467159841907.png
2016-06-30T01:07:18 < kakimir> not even TPIU karlp ?
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2016-06-30T01:15:28 < jadew> finally saw the last episode of game of thrones
2016-06-30T01:15:33 < jadew> not afraid of clicking links anymore
2016-06-30T01:18:24 < dongs> is that garbage finally over
2016-06-30T01:18:33 < dongs> pedophiles all over the world saddened
2016-06-30T01:18:57 < jadew> huh?
2016-06-30T01:19:11 < jadew> you must be thinking of a different show
2016-06-30T01:19:37 < jadew> and it's the last episode of this season
2016-06-30T01:20:14 < Laurenceb__> is that where Macey comes from
2016-06-30T01:20:20 < Laurenceb__> or whatever she is called
2016-06-30T01:20:25 < Laurenceb__> the reddit fap target
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2016-06-30T01:20:40 < jadew> I'm not aware of it
2016-06-30T01:20:42 < jadew> link?
2016-06-30T01:20:42 < Laurenceb__> nomnative determinism cuz if a reddit tard ever gets close they will get maced
2016-06-30T01:20:59 < dongs> fuck anything wiht seasons in it
2016-06-30T01:21:14 < dongs> anything on american TV that lasts more than 12 episodes before being cancelled = garbage
2016-06-30T01:21:18 < Laurenceb__> maisie
2016-06-30T01:21:23 < Laurenceb__> https://www.reddit.com/r/maisiewilliams/
2016-06-30T01:21:41 < jadew> ah, Arya
2016-06-30T01:21:42 < Laurenceb__> that subreddit smells of stale wanksocks
2016-06-30T01:21:43 < jadew> yes
2016-06-30T01:22:11 < jadew> she's a badass in the movie
2016-06-30T01:23:00 < Laurenceb__> jadew confirmed as fapper
2016-06-30T01:24:05 < jadew> actually, only the whores seem hot in this show
2016-06-30T01:24:54 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
2016-06-30T01:25:28 < jadew> the rest of the women are not portraied as hot
2016-06-30T01:26:00 < Laurenceb__> newsflash, nobody cares about this stupid show
2016-06-30T01:26:05 < jadew> well, with a couple of exceptions, but not many and their "whoreness" is open to discussion anyway
2016-06-30T01:26:45 < jadew> did you watch it?
2016-06-30T01:28:45 < kakimir> Laurenceb__: what is that?
2016-06-30T01:30:41 < kakimir> oh.. GOT actress
2016-06-30T01:31:28 < Rob235> jadew: it was a good episode
2016-06-30T01:31:44 < jadew> Rob235, yeah
2016-06-30T01:31:45 < Rob235> winter is here!
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2016-06-30T01:32:33 < jadew> I've been dodging spoilers all week
2016-06-30T01:32:59 < jadew> had to wait for my wife to have some free time so we could watch it together
2016-06-30T01:33:07 < jadew> she fell asleep halfway through lol
2016-06-30T01:33:22 < Rob235> heh sounds like my gf
2016-06-30T01:35:39 < Rob235> nice, finally found a temp control setup for vaping that I enjoy, stainless steel 316L ftw
2016-06-30T01:37:05 < dongs> holy fuck is that miaisie cunt ugly
2016-06-30T01:38:04 < dongs> k closing all browser windows related to this shit
2016-06-30T01:38:17 < dongs> never clicking another laurence/b/ link
2016-06-30T01:38:25 < karlp> dongs: what's a good single season show you saw recently?
2016-06-30T01:38:26 < Rob235> at the right angle she can be cute, but that angle can't include any of her eyebrows
2016-06-30T01:38:35 < dongs> karlp: havent watched anything since 2013
2016-06-30T01:38:37 < dongs> or earlier
2016-06-30T01:38:49 < dongs> wasnt anything worth watching either
2016-06-30T01:38:56 < kakimir> dongs: agreed
2016-06-30T01:39:21 < jadew> they're all the same now
2016-06-30T01:40:11 < karlp> dongs: last tv series you watched you enjoyed?
2016-06-30T01:40:40 < jadew> teletubbies
2016-06-30T01:40:47 < dongs> yes
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2016-06-30T01:41:25 < jadew> he's been busy innovating ever since
2016-06-30T01:41:41 < jadew> but seriously, I'm curious too
2016-06-30T01:43:12 < kakimir> star trek was a big inspiration for me when I was just a little shitte
2016-06-30T01:43:31 < jadew> for me too
2016-06-30T01:43:34 < kakimir> their laser stuff and shields
2016-06-30T01:43:43 < jadew> ships and shields
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2016-06-30T01:44:01 < Laurenceb__> dongs: I know right
2016-06-30T01:44:03 < jadew> tried to rewatch it recently, it's not the same
2016-06-30T01:44:10 < Laurenceb__> how can they fap to that alien faced grrl
2016-06-30T01:44:47 < Laurenceb__> first series of homeland was good
2016-06-30T01:44:58 < Laurenceb__> that was literally the last good us series
2016-06-30T01:45:05 < jadew> first series of the last ship was also good
2016-06-30T01:45:12 < dongs> um laurence/b/
2016-06-30T01:45:16 < dongs> when I typed "homeland" into google
2016-06-30T01:45:27 < dongs> the recommendations are "season 6"
2016-06-30T01:45:29 < dongs> no thanks.
2016-06-30T01:45:45 < Laurenceb__> lul
2016-06-30T01:45:51 < jadew> I'll check it out
2016-06-30T01:45:52 < dongs> anything that lasts that long has to be only the worst tripe that onyl americans would watch
2016-06-30T01:45:53 < jadew> thanks
2016-06-30T01:45:56 < jadew> I'm in need of shows
2016-06-30T01:46:18 < dongs> how americans watch tv: noise in background while they're sleeping
2016-06-30T01:46:21 < jadew> dongs, I can name you a couple of shows that are great and lasted longer
2016-06-30T01:46:28 < dongs> i doubt it
2016-06-30T01:46:29 < Laurenceb__> dongs: at least its not as bad as lost or heroes
2016-06-30T01:46:35 < Laurenceb__> both unwatchable trash
2016-06-30T01:46:35 < jadew> well, that's how I'm watching it, but when I work
2016-06-30T01:46:53 < jadew> lost was good, wtf are you talking about?
2016-06-30T01:47:05 < Rob235> yea lost was good
2016-06-30T01:47:05 < dongs> ...
2016-06-30T01:47:24 < dongs> jadew opinion tv shows downgraded to below ohsix level
2016-06-30T01:47:29 < Laurenceb__> WTF
2016-06-30T01:47:34 < Laurenceb__> what the actual fuck
2016-06-30T01:47:38 < Laurenceb__> dude are you high?
2016-06-30T01:47:39 < jadew> dongs, we have yet to hear what you think it's a good show
2016-06-30T01:47:46 < dongs> lol @ anyone who thinks lost was anything, anywhere near "good"
2016-06-30T01:48:00 < Laurenceb__> lost was vomit in tv form
2016-06-30T01:48:09 < jadew> I stand by it, it had good mystery
2016-06-30T01:48:15 < Rob235> I enjoyed it too
2016-06-30T01:48:44 < jadew> not to mention that few shows could pull that sort of plot
2016-06-30T01:48:55 < kakimir> http://apina.biz/145741.jpg?mode=sfw
2016-06-30T01:49:05 < dongs> haha
2016-06-30T01:49:09 < dongs> so exchanging emails wiht vendor
2016-06-30T01:49:12 < dongs> started about ~5 days ago
2016-06-30T01:49:24 < dongs> my first email said, your firmware breaks stuff, i know it because i fucking checked it myself
2016-06-30T01:49:29 < dongs> denials for 3 days
2016-06-30T01:49:32 < Rob235> boardwalk empire, breaking bad, entourage wasn't bad, fringe, house, house of cards, master of none, sherlock, silicon valley, walking dead, the wire
2016-06-30T01:49:35 < dongs> i keep submitting proof that shit is broken
2016-06-30T01:49:37 < Rob235> sopranos
2016-06-30T01:49:40 < dongs> they keep making new builds saying "but it works"
2016-06-30T01:49:44 < dongs> sopranos was garbage
2016-06-30T01:49:49 < Rob235> it was entertaining
2016-06-30T01:49:56 < dongs> finally "oh sorry, yes, we were modifiyng stuff. here's real fixed version"
2016-06-30T01:50:10 < Laurenceb__> kakimir: its a cuckbot
2016-06-30T01:50:11 < dongs> < Rob235> boardwalk empire, breaking bad, entourage wasn't bad, fringe, house, house of cards, master of none, sherlock, silicon valley, walking dead, the wire
2016-06-30T01:50:15 < dongs> all trash
2016-06-30T01:50:15 < dongs> every single one
2016-06-30T01:50:31 < Laurenceb__> lul what dongs said
2016-06-30T01:50:32 < Rob235> you hate everything
2016-06-30T01:50:47 < Rob235> you still have yet to name a show
2016-06-30T01:51:26 < jadew> Rob235, his fav. shows don't translate well into english, most things on MangaTV in japan are like that
2016-06-30T01:51:30 < Rob235> do you get enjoyment out of anything dongs?
2016-06-30T01:51:59 < ReadError> he enjoys documentaries about 9/11
2016-06-30T01:52:01 < jadew> well, he just admited that he watched sopranos
2016-06-30T01:52:48  * jadew is gonna watch homeland now
2016-06-30T01:52:59 < Rob235> worth watching?
2016-06-30T01:53:02 < decimad> I think 'Bernd das Brot' would be the right thing for dongs
2016-06-30T01:53:03 < jadew> I don't know
2016-06-30T01:53:03 < Rob235> haven't seen it
2016-06-30T01:53:05 < Rob235> oh ok
2016-06-30T01:53:06 < jadew> I just heard about it
2016-06-30T01:53:20 < ReadError> Rob235 veep? portlandia
2016-06-30T01:53:27 < ReadError> hmm
2016-06-30T01:53:37 < Rob235> i dont think I like either of those but haven't really tried
2016-06-30T01:53:59 < Rob235> I miss embarrassing bodies on channel 4
2016-06-30T01:54:24 < ReadError> uk tv lol
2016-06-30T01:54:36 < Rob235> thats probably the only uk show I watched
2016-06-30T01:54:39 < Rob235> well and sherlock
2016-06-30T01:54:53 < jadew> isn't The IT crowd a UK show?
2016-06-30T01:55:00 < karlp> homeland is us propganda garbage, terrible
2016-06-30T01:55:32 < decimad> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lhB2tBTqyM
2016-06-30T01:56:20 < decimad> actually... maybe that's dongs?
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2016-06-30T01:58:08 < jadew> I think most people here would enjoy the first episode from the last ship
2016-06-30T01:58:16 < jadew> maybe even dongs
2016-06-30T01:58:21 < jadew> dongs, did you see it?
2016-06-30T01:58:36 < jadew> *first season
2016-06-30T01:58:45 < dongs> see wgat
2016-06-30T01:58:59 < jadew> The last ship
2016-06-30T01:59:20 < decimad> dongs, what do you think about the RX 480?
2016-06-30T01:59:50 < jadew> decimad, I'm going to take a guess here: "it's shit"
2016-06-30T02:00:35 < dongs> decimad: wat is it
2016-06-30T02:00:42 < dongs> oh amd
2016-06-30T02:00:48 < dongs> i heard it gets 0.1 more frames in angry birds
2016-06-30T02:01:24 < dongs> https://hardforum.com/threads/amd-radeon-rx-480-video-card-review-h.1903637/page-3#post-1042386067
2016-06-30T02:01:28 < dongs> lol
2016-06-30T02:01:51 < karlp> I enjoyed first season of last ship,
2016-06-30T02:02:07 < karlp> second got slimmer, just started third, we'll see hether that's waste of time or not :)
2016-06-30T02:02:13 < karlp> it's pretty silly though
2016-06-30T02:02:29 < jadew> karlp, I agree
2016-06-30T02:02:31 < karlp> they're _way_ off the book story though
2016-06-30T02:02:36 < jadew> I stopped at the first episode of season 3
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2016-06-30T02:02:50 < karlp> deadwood was great
2016-06-30T02:03:19 < jadew> I'll check it out, thanks
2016-06-30T02:04:10 < Laurenceb__> check out youporn for great series
2016-06-30T02:04:23 < jadew> I'm up to date on that one
2016-06-30T02:05:17 < jadew> holly crap... I just opened a package from china, didn't know what it was
2016-06-30T02:05:23 < jadew> it's something I ordered last week!
2016-06-30T02:06:51 < jadew> ... and I guessed wrong, that wasn't the right footprint
2016-06-30T02:07:07 < dongs> dual slot card
2016-06-30T02:07:08 < dongs> so no
2016-06-30T02:08:17 < jadew> it's a FFC connector so it doesn't matter for prototyping, the pins will hold it in place
2016-06-30T02:08:48 < jadew> if I knew it would arrive so fast I would have delayed sending out the board
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2016-06-30T02:10:58 < Rob235> anyone ever hear of wentworth?
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2016-06-30T02:12:12 < ReadError> i need to catch up on Hell on Wheels
2016-06-30T02:12:17 < ReadError> watched like s01
2016-06-30T02:13:34 < jadew> karlp, started watching deadwood, already saw a sideboob
2016-06-30T02:13:52 < dongs> is this why you watch game of pedophiles?
2016-06-30T02:13:54 < dongs> for sideboobs?
2016-06-30T02:14:05 < jadew> in game of thrones there's full frontal nudity :D
2016-06-30T02:14:11 < dongs> i dont care
2016-06-30T02:14:42 < jadew> but that's not why, although I can't say it doesn't add to the experience
2016-06-30T02:14:52 < Rob235> I enjoy the boobies
2016-06-30T02:15:05 < jadew> me too! high five!
2016-06-30T02:15:19 < Rob235> *slap*
2016-06-30T02:16:27 < Rob235> I'm bout to put on batman v superman, haven't seen it yet
2016-06-30T02:16:28 < Laurenceb__> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Rat
2016-06-30T02:16:51 < Rob235> I need to make some munchies though
2016-06-30T02:21:01 < Rob235> oh yea... strawberry cheesecake, everything bagel, rice pudding, and coconut dreams/somoas
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2016-06-30T03:12:31 < dongs> FAGGOT
2016-06-30T03:12:39 < dongs> er wrong channel
2016-06-30T03:12:50 < dongs> upgrdman: verical is better pricing if you need a lot of stuff / oddball stuff
2016-06-30T03:15:37 < upgrdman> ok cool
2016-06-30T03:15:55 < upgrdman> but for qty <=10, mouser still ~best?
2016-06-30T03:18:17 < dongs> yeah
2016-06-30T03:18:49 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/VeneratedDistantBats fuckin lol
2016-06-30T03:19:23 < Laurenceb__> did she died
2016-06-30T03:19:33 < dongs> nah wat do you think
2016-06-30T03:25:22 < ReadError> atleast they didnt back up
2016-06-30T03:26:26 < Rob235> this movie is terrible
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2016-06-30T03:35:55 < Laurenceb__>  "interesting"
2016-06-30T03:36:03 < Laurenceb__> a new word for "fapped over"
2016-06-30T03:36:35 < Laurenceb__> I know why the reddit feminists talk about rape culture now
2016-06-30T03:36:51 < Laurenceb__> cuz some of their subreddits are more than a little rapey
2016-06-30T03:40:43 < Laurenceb__> trolls trollin trolls
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2016-06-30T03:43:23 < ReadError> ohsix watched braindead
2016-06-30T03:52:26 < dongs> only saw 'ohsix' and 'braindead'
2016-06-30T03:52:29 < dongs> sounds good.
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2016-06-30T04:20:02 < dongs> pro blogging
2016-06-30T04:23:03 < dongs> <ham> i cut a computer power cord open. i got blue, green, brown.  which ones which?
2016-06-30T04:23:06 < dongs> <ham> brown + blue - green ground?
2016-06-30T04:23:08 < dongs> <_digital_> this sounds like something that will end .. badly
2016-06-30T04:23:11 < dongs> lol
2016-06-30T04:24:09 < dongs> stonertronics
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2016-06-30T04:33:47 < ReadError> 3/4 what?
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2016-06-30T05:42:59 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Y1s4InK.jpg
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2016-06-30T06:02:32 < dongs> 10/10 merge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la_9EzQg8bU
2016-06-30T06:09:54 < englishman> nice doriftu
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2016-06-30T06:16:49 < anton02> why is stm32 better than raspberry at embedded applications
2016-06-30T06:17:03 < dongs> why is my penis pointing straight up
2016-06-30T06:19:04 < anton02> windows is almost a must have for stm32 development. On the other hand linux is almost a must have for pi development. That's 1 point to stm32
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2016-06-30T06:19:55 < anton02> cube only runs on windows though doesnt it?
2016-06-30T06:20:01 < dongs> cube is java filth
2016-06-30T06:20:07 < anton02> oh
2016-06-30T06:20:09 < dongs> who the fuck are you talking to?
2016-06-30T06:20:12 < dongs> are you monoblogging?
2016-06-30T06:20:33 < anton02> yeah i know you dont need it. it's just almost a must have
2016-06-30T06:20:37 < dongs> the fuck is "pi" development
2016-06-30T06:32:40 < anton02> does anything here look fishy to you? http://i.imgur.com/5zcSL0e.jpg
2016-06-30T06:34:52 < anton02> number of data registers = NTDR
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2016-06-30T06:35:52 < anton02> PAR = peripheral address register
2016-06-30T06:36:17 < anton02> clear interrupt register
2016-06-30T06:37:02 < anton02> my ODR shouldnt be zero but it is
2016-06-30T06:37:11 < anton02> of GPIOB
2016-06-30T06:37:35 < anton02> it shouldnt be zero because i told DMA to transfer some non zero information to it
2016-06-30T06:40:11 < anton02> all i did was modify the example code which transfers from memoryTomemory. i changed the direction to be memoryToperiph and the destination address to be ODR but its not working. http://ideone.com/h1EJBr
2016-06-30T06:41:03 < anton02> actually thats the wrong link
2016-06-30T06:41:58 < anton02> yeah it worked before I made those edits so the timer must be working
2016-06-30T06:42:15 < anton02> correct link: http://ideone.com/KJTf1v
2016-06-30T06:56:23 < dongs> it looks we have autistic chats in progress
2016-06-30T06:56:25 < dongs> just FYI anton02
2016-06-30T06:56:29 < dongs> ohsix doens't actually do any STM32 stuff
2016-06-30T06:56:37 < dongs> he's probably leading you down a useless path
2016-06-30T06:56:40 < dongs> next you'll be download BDSL files
2016-06-30T06:56:45 < dongs> and jtag scanning pins
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2016-06-30T07:01:28 < ReadError> fuuuu
2016-06-30T07:01:40 < ReadError> trying to find this 30kHz shit still
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2016-06-30T07:13:21 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/NSDS6rN.png
2016-06-30T07:15:57 < dongs> engaging autism chats
2016-06-30T07:18:29 < ReadError> its something in a part
2016-06-30T07:18:39 < ReadError> so im replacing everything until i find it
2016-06-30T07:18:44 < dongs> you need some BDSL files.
2016-06-30T07:18:55 < dongs> or maybe BSDL
2016-06-30T07:18:57 < dongs> ask ohsix
2016-06-30T07:18:57 < ReadError> can you write me a perl script dongs ?
2016-06-30T07:18:58 < dongs> he knows
2016-06-30T07:19:00 < ReadError> to fix it
2016-06-30T07:19:16 < dongs> ReadError: /ignore ohsix doens't neeed a perl script
2016-06-30T07:23:10 < ReadError> different parts of the board have different freqs
2016-06-30T07:23:12 < ReadError> its odd
2016-06-30T07:23:52 < ReadError> like at one point is was 1/4*30kHz
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2016-06-30T07:27:03 < ReadError> was
2016-06-30T07:27:09 < ReadError> i removed all that and its still doing it heh
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2016-06-30T08:03:00 < dongs> ah the life of a clueless cloner
2016-06-30T08:09:04 < dongs> ffs
2016-06-30T08:09:08 < dongs> what is 4 1/4 lbs
2016-06-30T08:09:09 < dongs> in lbs + oz
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2016-06-30T08:54:47 < ReadError> ohsix fake LDOs I think
2016-06-30T08:54:54 < ReadError> whats odd is the kinda work
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2016-06-30T09:06:36 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmJetC5XEAAoa6m.png:orig
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2016-06-30T09:51:41 < ReadError> what does 'Can Penhold' or 'Penhold' mean in english (from chinese)
2016-06-30T09:51:57 < ReadError> http://sea.taobao.com/item/en/45256840033.htm
2016-06-30T09:53:28 < ReadError> ohsix LP2992 3.3V LDO
2016-06-30T09:53:33 < ReadError> 'LFEA' marking
2016-06-30T09:54:59 < ReadError> its not as deep
2016-06-30T09:55:03 < ReadError> the etching
2016-06-30T09:55:05 < ReadError> and theres no bottom marking
2016-06-30T09:58:18 < ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-10pcs-lot-LP2992AIM5X-3-3-SOT-153-screen-LFEA-new-original/32595767227.html
2016-06-30T09:59:58 < ReadError> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shippin-40pcs-lot-LP2992AIM5X-3-3-LP2992-SOT23-5-3-3V-LDO-Regulators-new-original/32686696942.html
2016-06-30T10:02:12 < ReadError> crazy shit is, I cant find any mention of counterfeits
2016-06-30T10:03:16 < ReadError> because i swap it with a known good part and it work 100%
2016-06-30T10:03:26 < ReadError> its not like a 1 off thing either
2016-06-30T10:03:34 < ReadError> multiple boards, parts
2016-06-30T10:03:43 < ReadError> all have the same prob
2016-06-30T10:03:58 < ReadError> so im pretty sure the chips i got are fake
2016-06-30T10:04:06 < ReadError> just dont know what they really are
2016-06-30T10:04:14 < dongs>  < dongs> ah the life of a clueless cloner
2016-06-30T10:04:43 < dongs> "multiple boards'
2016-06-30T10:04:45 < dongs> all for personal use right?
2016-06-30T10:04:58 < dongs> evry time I make shit for presonal use I order like a huge panel
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2016-06-30T10:05:05 < ReadError> multiple as in like, 3
2016-06-30T10:06:04 < dongs> of course
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2016-06-30T10:14:21 < dongs> ReadError: did  y ou check the BSDL file
2016-06-30T10:14:35 < ReadError> yea, banged out a quick bash script too
2016-06-30T10:14:42 < dongs> for what
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2016-06-30T11:01:10 < ReadError> dongs u or your china lady heard about any fake LP2992 in chinga?
2016-06-30T11:01:27 < dongs> i only buy real and only on reels so  idont really know about single units stuff
2016-06-30T11:01:38 < dongs> i'd say selling by 'LFEA' is pretty dodgy
2016-06-30T11:01:58 < ReadError> ya but whats crazy is theres no reports
2016-06-30T11:02:09 < ReadError> the whole 'screen marking' shit is suspect tho
2016-06-30T11:02:29 < ReadError> but whats odd too is, it KINDA regulates to 3.3
2016-06-30T11:03:01 < ReadError> works with both?
2016-06-30T11:03:55 < ReadError> lol well thats just silly
2016-06-30T11:06:32 < ReadError> nah
2016-06-30T11:06:39 < ReadError> well
2016-06-30T11:06:57 < dongs> autism6 the expert on chinese sourcing
2016-06-30T11:09:02 < jadew> I want to learn to decap ICs for this very reason
2016-06-30T11:09:17 < dongs> don't tell ohsix
2016-06-30T11:09:23 < dongs> he'll give you all sorts of practical advice
2016-06-30T11:09:52 < jadew> the only problem is I'm scared of toxic chemicals because whenever I play with them it feels like I could make a mistake and inhale something
2016-06-30T11:10:36 < jpa-> use a mask?
2016-06-30T11:10:50 < jadew> jpa-, what a good idea hehe
2016-06-30T11:10:56 < jadew> I'll look for a good nice mask
2016-06-30T11:11:14 < jadew> yeah, I have eye protection, but no proper mask
2016-06-30T11:11:15 < jpa-> though not all toxins can be filtered even with activated carbon
2016-06-30T11:11:25 < jadew> ah ha!
2016-06-30T11:11:32 < jadew> good to know
2016-06-30T11:11:36 < ReadError> i think you need to worry more about your skin
2016-06-30T11:11:41 < ReadError> with those chems
2016-06-30T11:11:41 < jpa-> but for most volatile organics etc. the filters are quite cheap (50 EUR or so for the mask + capsules)
2016-06-30T11:12:50 < jpa-> it's always a nice feeling when you notice your vinyl gloves are melting away in the chemical..
2016-06-30T11:13:04 < jadew> jpa-, yeah, had that happen
2016-06-30T11:16:42 < jadew> ohsix, yeah, I think I saw it
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2016-06-30T11:22:55 < dongs> ReadError: chinagirl says those are faek
2016-06-30T11:23:04 < dongs> (sea.taoobao url
2016-06-30T11:23:26 < ReadError> dongs she have any info about them?
2016-06-30T11:23:43 < ReadError> penhandle = ?
2016-06-30T11:23:47 < dongs> nah. there's so much trash
2016-06-30T11:24:08 < jadew> if they don't behave like the original it doesn't matter much
2016-06-30T11:24:11 < dongs> maybe you can use your new xray machine to take some pix
2016-06-30T11:24:27 < jadew> I found once a fake MMIC that perfromed better than the original
2016-06-30T11:24:30 < jadew> was cheaper too
2016-06-30T11:24:40 < dongs> whats a mmic
2016-06-30T11:25:02 < jadew> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolithic_microwave_integrated_circuit
2016-06-30T11:25:07 < dongs> yeha was already ther
2016-06-30T11:25:12 < dongs> probaly same time ohsix clicked it
2016-06-30T11:25:21 < dongs> hours later he's still on wikipedo
2016-06-30T11:25:25 < dongs> assburgering off into some wild tangent
2016-06-30T11:25:33 < jadew> lol
2016-06-30T11:26:14 < dongs> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/MMIC_example.jpg
2016-06-30T11:26:17 < dongs> is this like, die shot?
2016-06-30T11:26:25 < jadew> yeah
2016-06-30T11:26:30 < dongs> wtf
2016-06-30T11:26:35 < jadew> they're very simple
2016-06-30T11:26:50 < jadew> which is why fakes could actually have the same quality as the originals
2016-06-30T11:27:28 < jadew> I bet tho that the fake I got was a clone of some other, higher spec device
2016-06-30T11:27:41 < jadew> and they just marketed with the part number I was looking for
2016-06-30T11:28:01 < ReadError> penhold must me something, doubt its pingpong shit
2016-06-30T11:28:10 < dongs> dosnt mean anything
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2016-06-30T11:36:18 < dongs> <chinagirl> don't trust any compoments on taobao, they're fucking scammers usually
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2016-06-30T11:49:11 < jpa-> Steffanx: sorry, i hurt Tectu's butt, you'll have to adjust your evening plans
2016-06-30T11:49:44 < ReadError> ugfx license rage?
2016-06-30T11:50:22 < Tectu> nah, just forgot the lube
2016-06-30T11:50:36 < mitrax_> ouch
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2016-06-30T11:52:41 < ReadError> its so hard to stone with this propane torch
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2016-06-30T12:16:34 < Laurenceb__> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/30/brits_smut_searches_brexit_week/
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2016-06-30T12:22:39 < upgrdman> wuts new in 24
2016-06-30T12:23:26 < Laurenceb__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brdmnUBAS00
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2016-06-30T13:40:33 < Steffanx> Uhm what jpa-?
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2016-06-30T13:45:42 < emeryth> do you pros have any cheap taobao agent good for small electronic stuff?
2016-06-30T13:48:58 < emeryth> I used to use alsotao which calculated all the costs upfront, but now they're gone...
2016-06-30T13:53:46 < ReadError> bhiner ?
2016-06-30T13:55:37 < emeryth> I was wondering if there were any super-secret-better-than-mainstream ones
2016-06-30T13:58:55 < dongs> http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADRR/AutoPlacer_Cmd-RunAutoPlacer_PLAutoPlacer~RunAutoPlacer((RunAutoPlacer))_AD
2016-06-30T13:58:58 < dongs> what the fuck is that
2016-06-30T13:58:59 < dongs> it does nothing
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2016-06-30T14:18:48 < ReadError> http://www.altium.com/video-integrated-tasking-pin-mapper
2016-06-30T14:18:51 < ReadError> wtf is this
2016-06-30T14:19:10 < ReadError> its like they took cube and jammed it into eclipse and integrated it with altium
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2016-06-30T15:07:04 < anton02> flash art > DMA
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2016-06-30T15:18:58 < jon1012> pinpin: Brainfuck powa
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2016-06-30T15:35:16 < tecdroid> brainf**k!!! |_|
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2016-06-30T16:03:28 < anton02> what does it mean if all your register bits are set properly for DMA to happen but the transfer just isn't 'starting'
2016-06-30T16:04:53 < Steffanx> Tectu is on his period lately anyway, jpa-.
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2016-06-30T16:32:31 < anton02> i just got DMA working wtf
2016-06-30T16:32:46 < ReadError> lol so these fake LDOs
2016-06-30T16:32:56 < ReadError> dead short across input and ground
2016-06-30T16:35:58 < anton02> the reason it wasn't working was because  i had  DMA_MEMORY_TO_PERIPHERAL instead of DMA_MEMORY_TO_MEMORY
2016-06-30T16:36:12 < dongs> why are you DMAing memory to memory
2016-06-30T16:36:18 < anton02> no clue
2016-06-30T16:36:23 < Laurenceb_> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b3_1467236897
2016-06-30T16:36:24 < anton02> its going to ODR
2016-06-30T16:36:31 < anton02> and it works now
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2016-06-30T16:51:17 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: I like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3e4hmxmITE better
2016-06-30T16:53:32 < Laurenceb_> 0:45 lulwut
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2016-06-30T16:55:32 < Laurenceb_> https://imgur.com/npco5iu
2016-06-30T16:57:32 < dongs> old
2016-06-30T16:57:36 < Steffanx> Very old.
2016-06-30T17:00:12 < anton02> aandrew, holy shit
2016-06-30T17:01:10 < dongs> man what the fuck
2016-06-30T17:01:19 < dongs> my isp must be blocking jewtorrent or something
2016-06-30T17:01:35 < dongs> oh well, im paying for this dumb VPN might as well use it
2016-06-30T17:02:40 < dongs> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/muslims-japan-government-surveillance-top-court-green-lit-islamaphobia-a7109761.html
2016-06-30T17:02:43 < dongs> LOL
2016-06-30T17:04:08 < aandrew> wait japan has muslims?
2016-06-30T17:04:17 < aandrew> you're like hte most xenophobic country on the planet
2016-06-30T17:04:31 < aandrew> well no, I think NK might have you beat
2016-06-30T17:06:17 < anton02> aandrew, why does she support hitler youth if nazis belief her race to be inferior
2016-06-30T17:06:59 < BrainDamage> because you can delude yourself the problem is always someone else below in the hierarchic scale
2016-06-30T17:07:40 < Laurenceb_> anton02: because she got trolled by /pol/
2016-06-30T17:08:26 < Laurenceb_> http://img07.deviantart.net/b19e/i/2012/160/2/a/celebrate_diversity_by_themistrunsred-d52vwxp.jpg
2016-06-30T17:13:14 < karlp> Laurenceb_: bunch of new silabs geckos doing both 2.4gig and subgig rf
2016-06-30T17:13:49 < Laurenceb_> oh wow that sounds hawt
2016-06-30T17:19:56 < Laurenceb_> looks like proper DSSS
2016-06-30T17:20:58 < Laurenceb_> huge datasheet is huge
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2016-06-30T17:23:23 < Laurenceb_> heh even has a smps
2016-06-30T17:27:43 < ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/0515Rht.png
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2016-06-30T17:36:48 < jon1012> wtf, I didn't know ##stm32 became ##nazihq
2016-06-30T17:37:19 < ReadError> 'thats so dongs'
2016-06-30T17:37:57 < BrainDamage> really, become? it's been this way since years
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2016-06-30T17:45:30 < Laurenceb_> Topic for ##you_have_got_to_be_kidding
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2016-06-30T18:21:53 < Laurenceb_> I can't find full ref manual for the silabs gecko radio thing
2016-06-30T18:22:02 < Laurenceb_> is it similar to stm32w ?
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2016-06-30T18:26:34 < karlp> no idea, only got the press release today
2016-06-30T18:26:52 < jpa-> i think they usually have docs available
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2016-06-30T19:20:43 < emeb> which one - they make so many EFR32 parts.
2016-06-30T19:25:04 < Laurenceb_> http://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/EFR32FG1-DataSheet.pdf
2016-06-30T19:28:01 < emeb> slow website is slow
2016-06-30T19:33:18 < emeb> looks like a nice radio
2016-06-30T19:33:24 < Laurenceb_> sort of
2016-06-30T19:33:33 < Laurenceb_> performance isnt too hot
2016-06-30T19:33:33 < emeb> lots of features.
2016-06-30T19:33:44 < Laurenceb_> odd as silabs stuff is usually good
2016-06-30T19:33:47 < emeb> sensitivity in the sub-RF isn't as good as some I've seen.
2016-06-30T19:33:50 < Laurenceb_> probably some noise issues
2016-06-30T19:33:53 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-06-30T19:34:00 < emeb> on-chip from the digital stuff...
2016-06-30T19:34:14 < Laurenceb_> I was interested in the DSSS and PSK, but can't find full docs
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2016-06-30T19:51:40 < emeb> yeah - not a lot of detail there
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2016-06-30T20:00:01 < Laurenceb_> milling out D-sub holes in plastic cases isnt fun
2016-06-30T20:00:19  * Laurenceb_ wonders if he could heat a d-sub with a gas torch
2016-06-30T20:06:55 < BrainDamage> heat you can heat, i doubt the plastic would survive it tought
2016-06-30T20:07:16 < BrainDamage> bend the pins and it's gonna be happy fun times
2016-06-30T20:07:27 < emeb> milling is a heck of a lot cheaper than buying a $300 punch tho
2016-06-30T20:08:19 < BrainDamage> oh wait nvm i misinterpreted
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2016-06-30T20:28:51 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nOUyvxNUYrQ
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2016-06-30T21:12:50 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=npUYWt-LX-Q
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2016-06-30T21:15:09 < jadew> you should learn that song
2016-06-30T21:15:25 < jadew> try to pick up chicks with it
2016-06-30T21:16:17 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Pulse_Nightclub_Massacre
2016-06-30T21:16:59 < jadew> C Em A
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2016-06-30T21:17:31 < BrainDamage> i'm not sure if it's the sleep deprivation, the pain, or the painkillers, but isn't laurenceb more unfunny than usual today?
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2016-06-30T21:18:36 < jadew> he's probably unhappy about the brexit vote
2016-06-30T21:20:08 < Rob235> can I have some painkillers?
2016-06-30T21:21:05 < BrainDamage> do you have a legit reason or are you a junkie?
2016-06-30T21:21:22 < Rob235> neither?
2016-06-30T21:21:58 < tecdroid> wtf? bought a new chip for my dso quad and now it works again BUT now the red LED is always on, even if i switched the dso off
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2016-06-30T21:26:04 < jadew> tecdroid, is that thing any good?
2016-06-30T21:26:25 < jadew> 72 Msps
2016-06-30T21:26:27 < tecdroid> what thing? dso quad?
2016-06-30T21:26:34 < jadew> that's per channel?
2016-06-30T21:26:36 < tecdroid> it's genious
2016-06-30T21:26:37 < jadew> or just one channel?
2016-06-30T21:26:43 < tecdroid> both channels
2016-06-30T21:26:46 < tecdroid> or all four
2016-06-30T21:26:53 < tecdroid> but two of them are just digital
2016-06-30T21:27:25 < tecdroid> it has a bit small memory and no sd card capability but anything else is fine with it
2016-06-30T21:27:37 < tecdroid> love that thing
2016-06-30T21:28:04 < jadew> I can see it becoming more in the future
2016-06-30T21:28:45 < jadew> but 72 Msps is not extremely persuasive
2016-06-30T21:28:50 < jadew> the interface looks nice
2016-06-30T21:29:21 < tecdroid> depends on what you want to do with it
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2016-06-30T21:29:36 < tecdroid> you wouldn't be able to debug a warp field generator, I'm shure
2016-06-30T21:30:15 < tecdroid> 72Msps means that it can show up to 18MHz analog bandwith..
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2016-06-30T21:30:57 < jadew> I'm sure it can show up to 72 MHz bandwith, the problem is that bandwidth is meaningless without the points
2016-06-30T21:31:47 < tecdroid> 18 MHz while measuring four points is much
2016-06-30T21:31:48 < PeterM> 72msps, isn't that more liek 305mhz analogue bandiwdith?
2016-06-30T21:31:54 < PeterM> *35mhz
2016-06-30T21:31:58 < tecdroid> nope
2016-06-30T21:32:11 < jadew> PeterM, it is
2016-06-30T21:32:29 < jadew> but I'm sure the input bandwith far exceeds that
2016-06-30T21:32:38 < jadew> you can do 80 MHz on a breadboard
2016-06-30T21:32:55 < tecdroid> yes you can but how often do you do this?
2016-06-30T21:33:07 < BrainDamage> you won't see shit with 2 points per period
2016-06-30T21:33:14 < jadew> tecdroid, not trying to say it sucks, it's just that you can't characterise much with it
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2016-06-30T21:33:31 < tecdroid> that's why i said it's more like 18MHz analog
2016-06-30T21:33:32 < BrainDamage> even a sine will look bad because the filter is not a perfect sinc in time
2016-06-30T21:33:36 < jadew> not current day digital stuff anyway
2016-06-30T21:34:18 < tecdroid> well, 2 points per period let you make an educated guess at best..
2016-06-30T21:34:51 < BrainDamage> yes and no, those 2 points get interpolated by the filter function
2016-06-30T21:34:57 < BrainDamage> it can be linear, sinc, etc
2016-06-30T21:35:27 < tecdroid> which isn't far more than an educated guess ;)
2016-06-30T21:35:41 < Rickta59> here is a deal stm32l476rg nucleo for $7.92 http://www.newark.com/stmicroelectronics/nucleo-l476rg/dev-brd-stm32l476rg-arduino-mbed/dp/55Y3536
2016-06-30T21:35:45 < tecdroid> however, i never needed more
2016-06-30T21:35:52 < jadew> anyway, should be fine < 10 MHz stuff
2016-06-30T21:36:02 < jadew> which is not bad for a lot of applications
2016-06-30T21:36:13 < BrainDamage> not an educated guess, if it's a sinc, nyquist theorem says you get the perfect wave back
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2016-06-30T21:36:37 < BrainDamage> but good luck building something with infinite order
2016-06-30T21:36:43 < tecdroid> jadew additionally, working with microcontrollers, you mostly need to see digital signals..
2016-06-30T21:36:59 < jadew> tecdroid, that's really where the problem is
2016-06-30T21:37:16 < BrainDamage> you want 5th harmonic at least with squarewaves
2016-06-30T21:37:24 < jadew> yep
2016-06-30T21:37:27 < tecdroid> take it that way: dso 203 has 4 digital channels with 72Msps
2016-06-30T21:37:39 < BrainDamage> or if you're interested in the slope, then it's 2/trise
2016-06-30T21:38:45 < jadew> still, I think it's an interesting gadget
2016-06-30T21:39:13 < tecdroid> i'ts genious for hobbyists
2016-06-30T21:39:13 < jadew> I wonder how cheap I could get it, I know an old teacher of mine that would love one
2016-06-30T21:39:26 < jadew> he does audio stuff and doesn't have a scope
2016-06-30T21:40:10 < PeterM> i think it would be pretty neat for 0-1mhz analog stuff too
2016-06-30T21:40:13 < tecdroid> jade, dso 202 costs less than 100$/€, but has only 2 channels with 2Msps
2016-06-30T21:40:15 < PeterM> like filters and shit
2016-06-30T21:40:20 < tecdroid> should be enough for audio
2016-06-30T21:40:25 < jadew> yeah
2016-06-30T21:40:44 < jadew> tecdroid, 2 Msps is not enough
2016-06-30T21:40:47 < tecdroid> if i can't repair my 203 i will buy a 202
2016-06-30T21:40:52 < tecdroid> for audio sampling?
2016-06-30T21:40:58 < jadew> you at least want to be able to see some higher frequency spikes, even when working with audio
2016-06-30T21:41:05 < PeterM> whats a 203 worth?
2016-06-30T21:41:45 < tecdroid> jadew, have to correct myself. 10Msps
2016-06-30T21:42:06 < tecdroid> PeterM,  about 150
2016-06-30T21:42:09 < tecdroid> bit more
2016-06-30T21:42:36 < PeterM> thats pretty decent
2016-06-30T21:42:36 < jadew> does it have touch screen?
2016-06-30T21:42:45 < tecdroid> 203 doesn't
2016-06-30T21:42:49 < PeterM> touch is dumb on scoop
2016-06-30T21:42:50 < tecdroid> 202 has something like that
2016-06-30T21:43:03 < jadew> PeterM, it doesn't have too many buttons
2016-06-30T21:43:03 < PeterM> knobs/buttons all day erry day
2016-06-30T21:43:08 < jadew> touch might actually help there
2016-06-30T21:43:17 < tecdroid> then it's 202
2016-06-30T21:43:31 < tecdroid> btw, i wanted to find the bug.. in the basement
2016-06-30T21:43:36 < tecdroid> see you then
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2016-06-30T21:45:56 < jadew> seems it has FFT too
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2016-06-30T21:46:22 < jadew> anyway, at $160 I don't think it's worth it
2016-06-30T21:46:31 < jadew> if it was cheaper, maybe
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2016-06-30T22:43:26 < tecdroid> it's leaking somewhere
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2016-06-30T23:17:31 < Yoduza> STGW45HF60WD ultrafast ? 1MHz ?
2016-06-30T23:17:47 < Yoduza> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/ee/12/52/3f/8c/7d/46/b3/CD00231399.pdf/files/CD00231399.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00231399.pdf
2016-06-30T23:18:53 < Yoduza> is it only 1MHz ?
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