--- Log opened Sat Oct 01 00:00:04 2016 2016-10-01T00:06:12 < karlp> Thorn: such cool video analsysi, but then why not use a usb micro to do usb keyboard? instead of hacking a keyboard to turn switches on and off?! 2016-10-01T00:06:57 < zyp> how2hid 2016-10-01T00:13:48 < karlp> howto teensy from x years ago, it's an arduino demo example code even. 2016-10-01T01:00:52 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-01T01:10:00 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.171.109] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-01T01:14:20 < Laurenceb_> I have an idea for an actual useful Rpi add on 2016-10-01T01:14:42 < Laurenceb_> optical ethernet adaptor using some of these http://sensl.com/products/r-series/ 2016-10-01T01:14:55 < Laurenceb_> should be possible to do 10mbps over 100km 2016-10-01T01:16:03 < karlp> englishman: seen that optical usb thing? 2016-10-01T01:16:12 < karlp> same problem :) 2016-10-01T01:16:14 < Laurenceb_> link? 2016-10-01T01:17:20 < Laurenceb_> most optical stuff fails due to shitty photodiodes 2016-10-01T01:19:33 < zyp> the optical vs poe stuff is kinda annoying 2016-10-01T01:19:44 < zyp> both are the kind of cool stuff I like toying with 2016-10-01T01:20:23 < zyp> (and I've got both in my home network) 2016-10-01T01:20:55 < Laurenceb_> POE law 2016-10-01T01:28:46 < zyp> edgar allan PoE 2016-10-01T01:31:51 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T01:33:56 -!- Prutheus_ [~XPS@137.193.140.60] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T01:34:05 -!- Prutheus [~XPS@74.208.128.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-01T01:34:31 -!- Prutheus_ [~XPS@137.193.140.60] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-01T01:46:03 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2016-10-01T01:57:34 -!- KreAture [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T01:57:42 -!- KreAture_ [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-01T02:02:31 < Laurenceb_> omg OKcupid is epic win 2016-10-01T02:02:44 < Laurenceb_> This horrendous date left me shaken. I fell into a depressive rut for a week following, self-harmed for the first time in months because I had the epiphany that despite how much progress feminism has made, we are still miles and miles away from achieving the goals of intersectional feminism 2016-10-01T02:03:32 < zyp> you got a date? 2016-10-01T02:03:44 < Laurenceb_> lulno I just use it for trolling 2016-10-01T02:03:51 < Laurenceb_> relay fun stuff to /b/ 2016-10-01T02:04:15 < Laurenceb_> every single person on there is batshit insane 2016-10-01T02:06:03 * LeelooMinai wonders what is "intersectional feminism" 2016-10-01T02:06:26 < LeelooMinai> It works only on road crossings or what? :p 2016-10-01T02:08:13 < LeelooMinai> Ok, googled and now I know. 2016-10-01T02:11:23 < LeelooMinai> Found kind of nicish 4 channel 1Gsps 100MHz bandwidth USB scope for $400 or so. 2016-10-01T02:11:47 < LeelooMinai> Won't buy it, but still, as the scopes go, it's good value. 2016-10-01T02:12:14 < LeelooMinai> mikeselectric had reviewed ir last year even: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO712DvGAKA 2016-10-01T02:13:01 < LeelooMinai> It's ok, since the processing is done on th FPGA on the board itself and through USB are only sent the waveform display values. 2016-10-01T02:15:55 < LeelooMinai> So USB bandwidth limit is not such a pita as normally. Still, they should start using USB3 more often for those. 2016-10-01T02:16:49 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-01T02:17:16 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T02:19:49 < zyp> go ahead, design and sell a usb3 scope 2016-10-01T02:20:03 < zyp> or kickstart it and run away with the money 2016-10-01T02:20:57 < LeelooMinai> Why me? It's not that of a difference between having USB2 one and USB3 one - just a matter of different USB PHY mostly. 2016-10-01T02:21:33 < LeelooMinai> So if they make those, they could as well make USB3 version. 2016-10-01T02:22:06 < LeelooMinai> Well, there are USB3 ones, but the price premium is crazy. Like those Picoscopes they sell for even $6k 2016-10-01T02:22:26 < zyp> you're the one wanting one and saying how simple it is 2016-10-01T02:23:04 < zyp> also, you seem to be mistaken about what the PHY is responsible 2016-10-01T02:23:12 < LeelooMinai> I am not saying it's simple, only that having already design working with usb2 and having usb3 version is not that much work. 2016-10-01T02:23:32 < LeelooMinai> And would make the thing sell much better probably. 2016-10-01T02:23:46 < zyp> you'll need to change out the whole usb MAC to get usb3 2016-10-01T02:24:12 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but they use FPGA there and probably USB3 IP exists for those. 2016-10-01T02:24:15 < zyp> which usually is not a standalone chip but a peripheral core in some SoC 2016-10-01T02:24:49 -!- fenugrec [~R@142.217.210.90] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T02:25:07 < LeelooMinai> There are also ICs from FTDI and Cypress probably that just act as a parallel to USB3 bridge. 2016-10-01T02:25:24 < LeelooMinai> So sending data to those from FPGA would be trivial. 2016-10-01T02:25:39 < zyp> idk about FTDI, but true for Cypress at least, they have the FX3 2016-10-01T02:26:29 < LeelooMinai> Well, FTDI has things like those: http://www.ftdichip.com/Products/ICs/FT600.html 2016-10-01T02:26:48 < LeelooMinai> 32 bit wide bus to USB3 bridge 2016-10-01T02:26:53 < zyp> ah, hadn't seen those 2016-10-01T02:27:12 < zyp> but I own at least one device that's based on FX3+FPGA and I've used a couple more 2016-10-01T02:27:36 * karlp is using his fx2 +fpga LA _right now_ :) 2016-10-01T02:27:44 < LeelooMinai> Right, once you have the scope stuff going on FPGA, it would not really be that difficult to add USB3. 2016-10-01T02:28:04 < zyp> so you say, but why aren't people doing it? 2016-10-01T02:28:11 < karlp> the hard bit is the scope bit. I htink 2016-10-01T02:28:21 < LeelooMinai> They are, but add like $k's to the price... 2016-10-01T02:28:24 < karlp> that's why there's dozens of cheap LAs, but not many scopes 2016-10-01T02:28:46 < karlp> maybe it's because analog is hard, and shovelling data out the back isn't the hard or expensive bit. 2016-10-01T02:29:05 < zyp> and for a scope design with usb2, what would it gain from just replacing the usb2 link with usb3, given that the rest of it is probably designed with usb2 bandwidth restrictions in mind? 2016-10-01T02:29:06 < LeelooMinai> I use DSLogic for my LA - it's not bad now finally, after they got the software to work better throughout the last 2 years. 2016-10-01T02:29:39 < LeelooMinai> zyp: The point is, with FPGA you don't have bandwidth restrictions. 2016-10-01T02:29:47 < zyp> bullshit 2016-10-01T02:30:16 < LeelooMinai> No, it's not bulshit, especially with USB2 speeds:) 2016-10-01T02:30:41 < LeelooMinai> I am not talking about saturationg USB3 - just going over USB2 2016-10-01T02:30:53 < LeelooMinai> over=faster than 2016-10-01T02:31:21 < zyp> sure, I get that, but still 2016-10-01T02:31:38 < zyp> why would a usb2 scope use a faster ADC than what the usb link can swallow? 2016-10-01T02:31:43 < LeelooMinai> I watched that ovon review and although it's pretty fast, there are places when he has to wait, say, 10s to download all the samples so he can zoom at the details. 2016-10-01T02:32:12 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Because, as I wrote, the processing is done on the FPGA. Then only what you see on the screen is sent. 2016-10-01T02:32:20 < LeelooMinai> Unless you request full data, but then you wat. 2016-10-01T02:32:23 < LeelooMinai> wait* 2016-10-01T02:33:05 < zyp> how much ram does the scope have? 2016-10-01T02:34:18 < LeelooMinai> USB2 is 480bps max with huge overheads. That scope can sample at 1 Gsps. Hmm, forgot... probably few MBs of data. But if you watch the video, download took like 10s at least - not sure why. 2016-10-01T02:34:26 < karlp> "huge" overheads? 2016-10-01T02:34:37 < karlp> how do you define huge? 2016-10-01T02:35:17 < LeelooMinai> Yes, latencies for example. So if you want to communicate both ways, you will have a lot of overhead. 2016-10-01T02:35:21 < zyp> HS USB bulk maxes out at exactly 53.248MB/s 2016-10-01T02:35:53 < zyp> so a buffer that takes around 10s to transfer would be like half a gig big 2016-10-01T02:36:01 < LeelooMinai> That's some theoretical best-case scenario though. 2016-10-01T02:36:35 < karlp> not really. 2016-10-01T02:36:54 < karlp> some people write terrible usb software that uses none of the available bandwidth though and then blame usb's "overhead" 2016-10-01T02:37:11 < karlp> "let's write 2 bytes into my 64 byte allowance this token!" 2016-10-01T02:37:33 < LeelooMinai> Sure, some may, but other won't. 2016-10-01T02:38:13 < LeelooMinai> You need to consider that with how the scope works, it has to send screen data at some refresh rate. 2016-10-01T02:38:21 < zyp> well, it's not 100% bus utilization, but since HS bulk MPS is always 512B, you can't fit more than 13 packets per microframe 2016-10-01T02:38:22 < LeelooMinai> Preferably more than 10 fps:) 2016-10-01T02:39:09 < zyp> so there's still room for some other light activity for other devices/endpoints 2016-10-01T02:39:22 < LeelooMinai> Good standalone scopes can draw like million waveforms per second. 2016-10-01T02:40:42 < zyp> so now we're comparing good standalone scopes to cheap usb scopes? 2016-10-01T02:41:10 < LeelooMinai> No, just mentioning that it's an important factor. 2016-10-01T02:41:26 < LeelooMinai> Also, if you want to actually stream raw data, you cannot do that over USB2 obviously. 2016-10-01T03:04:42 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-19-73-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-01T03:22:06 -!- KreAture is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2016-10-01T03:44:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-01T03:53:57 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-01T03:57:06 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T04:05:56 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T04:13:04 -!- fenugrec [~R@142.217.210.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-01T04:23:45 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T04:24:39 < Rob235> wasting time 2016-10-01T04:24:54 < Rob235> on my rotorbuilds page 2016-10-01T05:21:27 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-01T05:45:20 < upgrdman> so with really high impedence signals on a PCB, if you touch the traces you can easily corrupt shit. if you want to make it more robust... how? would an RF can on front and back of pcb help? i don't have this problem, but just curious. 2016-10-01T05:47:54 < upgrdman> ya it was a half assed guess 2016-10-01T05:48:09 < upgrdman> but how can you should against parasitic capacitance? 2016-10-01T05:48:13 < upgrdman> s/should/shield 2016-10-01T05:49:01 < LeelooMinai> Keep it far away from traces that can disturb it, use proper grounding, etc. 2016-10-01T05:50:02 < upgrdman> but how do they do it on thin portable devices. like a cell phone has the PCB within 2mm of the users fingers and shit. i imagine there at least a few high impedence signals on the board? 2016-10-01T05:50:08 < LeelooMinai> Make sure that there's no return path under the traces from other sources. 2016-10-01T05:50:35 < upgrdman> im not worried about problems caused by the pcb 2016-10-01T05:50:44 < upgrdman> but problems caused from the surroundings 2016-10-01T05:51:16 < LeelooMinai> There is shielding in those anyways - everything is more or less surrounded by some kind of shield. Even the case will be merallizes - I don't see where you see people touching anything close to the traces. 2016-10-01T05:51:37 < LeelooMinai> meralizes=metalized 2016-10-01T05:51:49 < upgrdman> but an RF can or faraday wouldnt shield parasitic capacitance 2016-10-01T05:53:30 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: The shield will be connected to GND, not the trace, so I don't think capacitance matters as much. 2016-10-01T05:54:01 < upgrdman> another random question... where the fuck can i get QUIET fans. like a quiet tower fan. all the shit marketed as "silent" can be heard from 20 meters away in a quiet room 2016-10-01T05:54:39 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Do what I did - move all computers to basement - it's like computing heaven:) 2016-10-01T05:55:14 < LeelooMinai> I sit here and all I hear is tree leaves makins small noises outside:) 2016-10-01T05:55:19 < LeelooMinai> making* 2016-10-01T05:55:31 < upgrdman> flyback, this shit? http://sunonusa.com/ 2016-10-01T05:55:55 < upgrdman> im looking for consumer fans. like for cooling off my sweaty balls. not some chassis mount pc fan 2016-10-01T05:56:11 < LeelooMinai> Also, nbo heat in my room from the computers, and no problems with cooling in summer, since the basement is not hot even if there's 40 deg C outside. 2016-10-01T05:56:33 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, i dont live in a frozen wasteland. 2016-10-01T05:56:54 < upgrdman> its not that hot actually, but just annoying and shit fans i see in stores 2016-10-01T05:56:55 < LeelooMinai> Well, if your basement is under the ground level, it will be always cooler in the summer. 2016-10-01T05:57:16 < upgrdman> cooler != cool 2016-10-01T05:57:21 < LeelooMinai> Mine is partially - like 60% maybe. 2016-10-01T05:57:52 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: But the point is anyways, that you can buy whatever the fans you want then, because who cares what noises they make in the basement... 2016-10-01T05:57:58 < upgrdman> flyback 2016-10-01T05:58:00 < upgrdman> im looking for consumer fans. like for cooling off my sweaty balls. not some chassis mount pc fan 2016-10-01T05:58:25 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-01T05:58:34 < upgrdman> ohsix, i dont have this problem. it just poop'd into my head. 2016-10-01T05:59:30 < LeelooMinai> bldc are pretty much like AC motors 2016-10-01T06:00:10 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T06:01:10 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T06:03:14 < upgrdman> im also raging about how consumer fans never quantify their claims ... "quiet" to them is like 75 dBSPL 2016-10-01T06:03:53 < upgrdman> err not SPL but whatever the fuck ti should be 2016-10-01T06:04:22 < PeterM> most fan noise is air noise and blade design 2016-10-01T06:04:29 < PeterM> so 2016-10-01T06:04:31 < PeterM> thers that 2016-10-01T06:04:37 < upgrdman> dBA 2016-10-01T06:04:38 < LeelooMinai> So they best work in vaccum 2016-10-01T06:04:49 < upgrdman> PeterM, i know. 2016-10-01T06:04:59 < upgrdman> and most consumer can use shit airfoils 2016-10-01T06:05:05 < upgrdman> s/can/fans 2016-10-01T06:05:07 < PeterM> look for ones with dimples o nthe blades 2016-10-01T06:05:28 -!- Amperturity [~Amp@24-136-5-183.c3-0.fld-ubr1.chi-fld.il.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-01T06:06:49 < LeelooMinai> Here's a description why BLDC motors are very similar to AC motors btw: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-13/brushless-dc-motor/ 2016-10-01T06:06:50 < jadew> http://imgur.com/a/DlwIG 2016-10-01T06:07:30 < jadew> (actual suggestion for me - and no, I don't know them) 2016-10-01T06:07:41 < stvn> PeterM, it's national dumb day isn't it 2016-10-01T06:11:04 < upgrdman> squish http://i.imgur.com/eugcwuq.gifv 2016-10-01T06:11:25 < LeelooMinai> Steamroller part? 2016-10-01T06:12:06 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, maybe not - to big a hole:) 2016-10-01T06:12:28 < upgrdman> ideal use case for public transit http://i.imgur.com/JUKxMbA.jpg 2016-10-01T06:12:57 < LeelooMinai> They are getting in or out? :p 2016-10-01T06:14:06 < LeelooMinai> Maybe they have optimized pos-mortem procedures - if you die in a bus they put you directly to a coffin and to the burial ground. 2016-10-01T06:14:46 < stvn> do they pull the syringe out of your arm? 2016-10-01T06:16:21 < LeelooMinai> That person there in the corner has the same hair as me - it's disturbing. 2016-10-01T06:17:20 < stvn> maybe you were there. 2016-10-01T06:17:46 < LeelooMinai> Seriously, I started thinking if I could be there some time and forgot:) 2016-10-01T06:18:24 < LeelooMinai> But I think I would remember the coffin... 2016-10-01T06:23:09 < stvn> if i buy a new 5K display 27" imac will people be mean to me? 2016-10-01T06:23:41 < LeelooMinai> No, they will just look smaller. 2016-10-01T06:24:25 -!- Amperture [~Amp@24-136-5-183.c3-0.fld-ubr1.chi-fld.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T06:24:39 < LeelooMinai> I would like 4K 39 inches or so. 2016-10-01T06:24:57 < LeelooMinai> Well, I guess 35-39 2016-10-01T06:25:42 < LeelooMinai> Well, the thinking is that I want more real estate, but preserve angular size of each pixel as compared to the rest of my monitors. 2016-10-01T06:25:57 < LeelooMinai> 27" 4K would be out of place - everything would be tinier. 2016-10-01T06:26:20 < LeelooMinai> Well, there's a difference between one center 4K monitor and having 3 split. 2016-10-01T06:26:38 < LeelooMinai> The point being there are no seams:) 2016-10-01T06:27:56 < LeelooMinai> Right, actually small 4K monitors are not that expensive, but as I wrote, I would not like 24" 4K monitor - it would not give me much more than normal one. 2016-10-01T06:28:35 < LeelooMinai> For some reason above 30" they get suddenly very expensive:/ 2016-10-01T06:29:21 < LeelooMinai> I guess people don't use PCs any more or something. 2016-10-01T06:29:53 < jadew> LeelooMinai, get a TV 2016-10-01T06:29:53 < LeelooMinai> For games they can as well buy 4K TV. 2016-10-01T06:30:14 < jadew> I was considering a big TV in here, for schematics and things like that 2016-10-01T06:30:20 < jadew> but... I don't really need it 2016-10-01T06:30:37 < LeelooMinai> Well, thought about it, but they are mostly 40 and up and that too big:) 2016-10-01T06:30:52 < jadew> yeah, I was thinking of 50+ 2016-10-01T06:31:27 < LeelooMinai> schematics, waveforms, EDA (designing PCBs - sweet), CAD work (also sweet to have 4K), programming. 2016-10-01T06:31:57 < LeelooMinai> When programming you can open 3 editors in the center + have two panels on both sides. 2016-10-01T06:32:21 < LeelooMinai> Currently in Eclipse I can only barely have two open this way and that is on a weird wide monitor. 2016-10-01T06:32:39 < LeelooMinai> It has 26xx pixels 2016-10-01T06:32:42 < jadew> just open the second one on a different monitor 2016-10-01T06:33:24 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I do, but that's not for editors - too far away. That's mostly for secondary things like debugging, console output, etc. 2016-10-01T06:33:43 < jadew> I do most of my coding on 1024x768 2016-10-01T06:33:59 < jadew> but I don't use any extra panels 2016-10-01T06:33:59 < LeelooMinai> For editors they need to be close so I don't have to move the head, only the eyes. 2016-10-01T06:34:04 < jadew> it's just the code 2016-10-01T06:34:38 < jadew> keep your monitors close 2016-10-01T06:34:43 < jadew> I think you have a gap between them? 2016-10-01T06:34:58 < jadew> and they're in different orientations IIRC 2016-10-01T06:36:10 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I have, but at least I can have two to look at some reference code. That's why I would like 3 though, to have one center one. 2016-10-01T06:36:15 < LeelooMinai> I have it like this now: http://i.imgur.com/IunoDIa.png 2016-10-01T06:36:28 < LeelooMinai> + another whole window on another monitor. 2016-10-01T06:36:41 < jadew> that's a single monitor? 2016-10-01T06:36:48 < LeelooMinai> Yes 2016-10-01T06:36:53 < jadew> extra wide? 2016-10-01T06:37:05 < LeelooMinai> Right, some strange 2680x1080 or something like that. 2016-10-01T06:37:12 < LeelooMinai> Still, 4K is 3500? 2016-10-01T06:37:14 < jadew> that's pretty neat 2016-10-01T06:37:28 < LeelooMinai> Yes, it's better than normal one. 2016-10-01T06:37:57 < LeelooMinai> I think it's 27" 2016-10-01T06:37:57 < jadew> I'd go for that, but I don't have the room 2016-10-01T06:38:20 < LeelooMinai> There's always room for bigger monitor:) 2016-10-01T06:38:36 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-01T06:38:40 < jadew> it would go over the edge of the bench and it would probably drive me insane 2016-10-01T06:38:53 < LeelooMinai> Buy curved one:p 2016-10-01T06:39:09 < jadew> heh, there's nothing that curved :) 2016-10-01T06:39:31 < jadew> I'm using the bench space at maximum 2016-10-01T06:39:35 < LeelooMinai> Well, they should make them curved according to the normal viewing distance. 2016-10-01T06:39:37 < jadew> I could go for two monitors instead of 3 2016-10-01T06:39:41 < jadew> but nah... 2016-10-01T06:40:00 < LeelooMinai> So, say, 70cm or so radius. But I think they use much larger radii, yes. 2016-10-01T06:40:34 < LeelooMinai> jadew: 2 monitors is lame imo... 2016-10-01T06:40:46 < jadew> yeah, I couldn't do it 2016-10-01T06:40:54 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I mean, how do you arrange them... 2016-10-01T06:41:09 < jadew> lol 2016-10-01T06:41:17 < LeelooMinai> Unless maybe vertically, but that's another story. 2016-10-01T06:41:31 < jadew> have you seen my desk? 2016-10-01T06:41:47 < LeelooMinai> Don't remember:) 2016-10-01T06:41:59 < jadew> you probably have 2016-10-01T06:42:01 < jadew> give me a sec 2016-10-01T06:44:38 < jadew> http://188.25.249.79/stuff/desk2.jpg 2016-10-01T06:45:20 < jadew> I can get at most a 24" in there (like the one in the middle) 2016-10-01T06:45:28 < jadew> and replace one of the 4:3 ones 2016-10-01T06:45:58 < LeelooMinai> Right, similar to mine, but a bit smaller I guess: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/24655172365 2016-10-01T06:46:31 < jadew> yeah, I think you have more room for monitors there 2016-10-01T06:46:38 < LeelooMinai> Damn, my "chair" looks kind of hilarious, but whatever:) 2016-10-01T06:47:01 < stvn> u running windows xp jadew 2016-10-01T06:47:13 < jadew> haha 2016-10-01T06:47:14 < jadew> no 2016-10-01T06:47:26 < LeelooMinai> If I did not build it I would probably be an invalid with damaged spine by now... 2016-10-01T06:47:40 < stvn> that chair.... 2016-10-01T06:48:03 < LeelooMinai> It's a $60 DIY space-shuttle grade chair;p 2016-10-01T06:48:13 < jadew> do you have friends over? 2016-10-01T06:48:21 < jadew> like... in that room? 2016-10-01T06:48:37 < LeelooMinai> What friends... I have a cat and mom:) 2016-10-01T06:48:38 < stvn> LeelooMinai, do you use binoculars to see your screens? 2016-10-01T06:48:43 < jadew> haha 2016-10-01T06:49:17 < LeelooMinai> stvn: Don't underestimate my chair! It has wheels on the bottom and I slide forward and there's a keyboard mounted there that slides forward and pivots... 2016-10-01T06:49:28 < jadew> that might actually be further than where I stay 2016-10-01T06:49:50 < upgrdman> jadew> http://188.25.249.79/stuff/desk2.jpg 2016-10-01T06:50:01 < LeelooMinai> Keyboard construction:) https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/24026544314 2016-10-01T06:50:01 < upgrdman> i see jadew's webcam is still aimed at his crotch region 2016-10-01T06:50:26 < jadew> haha upgrdman, it's the same picture, I just cropped it 2016-10-01T06:50:35 < upgrdman> ah 2016-10-01T06:51:12 < LeelooMinai> You have same Korad PSU I see, but I don't have nice HP DMMs:/ 2016-10-01T06:51:46 < LeelooMinai> Or Agilent or what they are. 2016-10-01T06:51:46 < upgrdman> 6.5 digit DMM master race checking in 2016-10-01T06:52:04 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-01T06:52:08 < LeelooMinai> Right, I am not spending $1k on DMM 2016-10-01T06:52:41 < upgrdman> i think i paid 600 for my 34401A 6.5 digit meter. came with new probes (like four kinds) and even some awesome gold kelvin probes 2016-10-01T06:52:41 < LeelooMinai> On a scope, ok, but not DMM:) 2016-10-01T06:52:54 < upgrdman> ebay gently used for the win 2016-10-01T06:53:08 < LeelooMinai> Right, a bit risky though 2016-10-01T06:53:44 < LeelooMinai> Gently used and inside there's a piece of pizza and some old cat food bits. 2016-10-01T06:54:05 < upgrdman> thats why you opne it up to check 2016-10-01T06:54:11 < jadew> LeelooMinai, only if you buy from ham operators 2016-10-01T06:54:31 < LeelooMinai> I don't think they own DMMs like that:) 2016-10-01T06:54:41 < upgrdman> some do 2016-10-01T06:54:42 < LeelooMinai> More likely something tube-based. 2016-10-01T06:54:49 < stvn> needs more capacitors 2016-10-01T06:55:13 < LeelooMinai> Also, do they even still exist? :) 2016-10-01T06:55:31 < jadew> they do and some of them have expensive radios 2016-10-01T06:55:38 < LeelooMinai> Pff 2016-10-01T06:55:38 < jadew> more expensive than a DMM :) 2016-10-01T06:56:03 < jadew> I bought a few broken radios off of ebay and they're always "worked on" 2016-10-01T06:56:08 < jadew> and it's a mess 2016-10-01T06:56:31 < LeelooMinai> "-- KH3R! KH3R! Can you hear me!? *damn it* Opens Skype" 2016-10-01T06:56:44 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tyvqigvomdtcuqkf] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2016-10-01T06:57:22 < LeelooMinai> Modded for aliien signal reception probably. 2016-10-01T06:58:33 < jadew> I used to use one of those photo frames for extra stuff 2016-10-01T06:58:44 < jadew> the ones that can double as a monitor over USB 2016-10-01T06:59:28 < LeelooMinai> + google glasses for HUD and 60 inch tv flat on the ceiling to simulate sky 2016-10-01T06:59:33 < jadew> looked silly, but if I could get something similar that was stripped down of everything useless (no borders for example), I might install a couple around the bench 2016-10-01T07:00:29 < jadew> LeelooMinai, are the google glasses for sale or it's not released yet? 2016-10-01T07:00:37 < LeelooMinai> No idea:) 2016-10-01T07:00:49 < jadew> englishman, yeah, I just can't switch to a different pixel density for coding 2016-10-01T07:00:58 < LeelooMinai> But I would use them to view DMM readdings for example when probing stuff:) 2016-10-01T07:01:22 < jadew> google glasses? 2016-10-01T07:01:52 < jadew> has anyone here tried them? 2016-10-01T07:02:14 < jadew> that's nice 2016-10-01T07:02:14 < LeelooMinai> That's not a bad setup:) 2016-10-01T07:02:18 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-01T07:02:46 < jadew> you could have 3 down there 2016-10-01T07:03:35 < LeelooMinai> There's a dog in the corner... 2016-10-01T07:03:50 < jadew> lol 2016-10-01T07:03:51 < LeelooMinai> Di you stuff a dog? 2016-10-01T07:05:03 < LeelooMinai> I rest my case 2016-10-01T07:09:14 < LeelooMinai> Well, yes, but the idea behind their constuction is similar. 2016-10-01T07:09:25 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T07:10:13 < LeelooMinai> I know, I have VFD-controlled AC spindle on my CNC. The VFD was extra cost. 2016-10-01T07:12:21 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-01T07:12:25 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-01T07:13:34 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBLLRMsD8H8 2016-10-01T07:15:23 < LeelooMinai> stvn: Cannot you watch something more cheerful? :p 2016-10-01T07:16:35 < stvn> i usually watch duck and cat videos m8 2016-10-01T07:17:13 < LeelooMinai> Right, and the last time it was cops arresting black people for some reason... 2016-10-01T07:19:03 < stvn> LeelooMinai, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFdcv_UsJCo 2016-10-01T07:20:59 < jadew> what's wrong with that cat? 2016-10-01T07:21:14 < stvn> nothing it's just strange like most cats 2016-10-01T07:21:28 < jadew> now we know why pro bikers wear helments - they don't watch where they're going 2016-10-01T07:21:50 < stvn> chattering 2016-10-01T07:21:54 < stvn> yeah they do it to birds too 2016-10-01T07:22:03 < stvn> but it's usually more meowy 2016-10-01T07:22:10 < stvn> also, http://i.imgur.com/VtspVUd.jpg 2016-10-01T07:22:41 < stvn> the random cat from australia 2016-10-01T07:23:59 < stvn> also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaiR14JQlOU 2016-10-01T07:24:56 < stvn> mr dong is a fantastic cat 2016-10-01T07:26:45 < stvn> he should turn professional 2016-10-01T07:27:25 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:bca6:369d:eb37:c7da] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T07:31:31 < stvn> is this person missing an arm? 2016-10-01T07:32:18 < stvn> perhaps 2016-10-01T07:32:59 < stvn> what time is it over there? 2016-10-01T07:33:09 < stvn> it's 2:30pm and i already want to sleep 2016-10-01T07:33:45 < stvn> know what i'm sayin 2016-10-01T07:35:21 < stvn> long time thank you. 2016-10-01T07:35:25 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: ~] 2016-10-01T07:38:54 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-01T07:46:18 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-01T07:46:25 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T08:45:12 < LeelooMinai> Real time 4K video stream or did not happen:p 2016-10-01T08:51:44 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has left ##stm32 [] 2016-10-01T08:54:49 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:bca6:369d:eb37:c7da] has quit [Quit: Copywight 2012 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.] 2016-10-01T09:04:41 -!- fergusnoble [fergusnobl@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T09:08:06 -!- esden [esden@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T09:13:47 < ReadErr> yall watch southpark? 2016-10-01T09:13:52 < ReadErr> most excellent 2016-10-01T09:38:12 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-01T09:38:20 < LeelooMinai> Long time ago... Cartman FTW I guess:) 2016-10-01T09:46:31 < ReadErr> nm nm 2016-10-01T09:46:38 < ReadErr> workin, u ? 2016-10-01T09:47:23 < ReadErr> sanfran? 2016-10-01T09:47:32 < ReadErr> oh nice, what for? 2016-10-01T09:48:42 < ReadErr> plenty of shit to do for sure 2016-10-01T09:52:09 < ReadErr> seen any homeless shitting in the street? 2016-10-01T09:52:17 < ReadErr> everyone from sanfran complains about that 2016-10-01T09:54:09 < ReadErr> lol almost like muscle memory I guess 2016-10-01T09:58:32 < ReadErr> did you fly down? 2016-10-01T10:02:25 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.2] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T10:26:54 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-01T10:34:11 < upgrdman> anyone here have a Black Magic Probe? 2016-10-01T10:46:54 < dongs> i have cloens somewhere in rage pile 2016-10-01T10:47:04 < dongs> since they got virused by shit software 2016-10-01T10:47:40 < upgrdman> who sells the clones 2016-10-01T10:47:51 < upgrdman> i cant find anyone except the legit ones 2016-10-01T10:48:07 < dongs> i duno about sales, emeb has gerbers+shit on his site for a clone 2016-10-01T10:48:22 < dongs> those are theones i had since i made some pcbs of those 2016-10-01T10:48:43 < dongs> apparently if you want to permanently ruin your stlink, you can flash bmp firmware on it 2016-10-01T10:49:30 < upgrdman> ya im looking for one with uart broken out. whole reason why i wanna try BMP is so i can run it over bluetooth serial for wireless debugging 2016-10-01T10:49:43 < upgrdman> oh well, guess i could be nice and buy the legit one 2016-10-01T10:52:24 < dongs> its not like you cant afford it 2016-10-01T10:53:54 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-01T10:54:11 < upgrdman> im just kinda pissed i have to buy direct 2016-10-01T10:54:22 < upgrdman> like wtf. not on amazon, mouser, digikey. 2016-10-01T10:55:01 < upgrdman> and i wonder if they'll be dicks and sent it signature required or someshit and then i'll have to dick with the postoffice to get my shit 2016-10-01T10:57:58 < upgrdman> lol http://patch.com/illinois/joliet/joliet-felon-tried-rob-unmarked-squad-car-cops-sitting-inside-police 2016-10-01T11:01:11 < upgrdman> so how does BMP figure out how to talk to the mcu. like does it autodetect the mcu model? 2016-10-01T11:04:19 < upgrdman> found dongs https://i.reddituploads.com/2cb8ec60f3cb48d98660e6a34be5c078?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=81d9b057a911a0807987863118232f5d 2016-10-01T11:11:02 < upgrdman> lolwut https://youtu.be/dYBjVTMUQY0?t=22 2016-10-01T11:19:26 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.171.109] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T11:19:26 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.171.109] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-01T11:19:54 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T11:21:32 < zyp> upgrdman, yes 2016-10-01T11:42:55 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T11:50:20 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.185] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T12:00:20 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/tX6hqM8.jpg 2016-10-01T12:19:38 < Steffanx> Stevey. 2016-10-01T12:24:07 < stvn> hello Steffan and welcome 2016-10-01T12:32:44 < stvn> https://vid.me/wDwO 2016-10-01T12:33:01 < stvn> seems like my drunk friend is bored 2016-10-01T12:34:39 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-01T12:44:24 < Steffanx> uhm, wtf am i looking at mr stvn? 2016-10-01T12:44:52 < stvn> someone sent me a vid of them watching eevblog 2016-10-01T12:46:06 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T12:46:20 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T13:00:30 -!- kuldeep_ [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T13:01:15 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-01T13:04:25 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-01T13:09:48 < Steffanx> ok... 2016-10-01T13:11:44 < stvn> people go weird on the Australian football grand final night 2016-10-01T13:11:50 < stvn> What are you doing Steffanx ? 2016-10-01T13:23:09 < Steffanx> You dont want to know. 2016-10-01T13:24:06 < stvn> ok 2016-10-01T13:24:26 < Steffanx> Installing new MacOS (hackintosh) 2016-10-01T13:28:30 < Steffanx> Hows world vegatarian day stvn? 2016-10-01T13:30:30 < stvn> great 2016-10-01T13:30:42 < stvn> hackintosh is fun 2016-10-01T13:31:31 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T13:32:44 < stvn> i made a snow leopard one ages ago 2016-10-01T13:33:30 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-01T13:34:46 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.154.65] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T13:35:50 < Steffanx> and ages ago that was 2016-10-01T13:36:16 < stvn> sure was 2016-10-01T13:39:20 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.154.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-01T13:42:32 < dongs> almost 2017 and Finder is still single-threaded 2016-10-01T13:42:48 < dongs> faggots. 2016-10-01T13:45:47 < Steffanx> blallabla. 2016-10-01T13:46:20 -!- dohzer [~dohzer@2.19.254.125.static.comindico.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T13:47:36 < Steffanx> There was a time where your negativity was just "funny" now it just "same old crap" :P 2016-10-01T13:56:08 < Tectu> it's called "getting old". Old people always just complain 2016-10-01T13:56:30 < stvn> lol 2016-10-01T13:58:11 < Steffanx> Yeah, i guess. 2016-10-01T14:07:04 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T14:26:02 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-01T14:32:23 < ReadErr> hmm 2016-10-01T14:32:27 < ReadErr> windows to go 2016-10-01T14:32:34 < ReadErr> sounds neat 2016-10-01T14:38:08 < Steffanx> a bootable usb drive with some os.. what is so neat about that ReadErr? 2016-10-01T14:38:11 < Steffanx> or isnt that all? 2016-10-01T14:38:26 < ReadErr> you can make your install portable 2016-10-01T14:39:52 < ReadErr> i can think of less cool things 2016-10-01T14:39:58 < ReadErr> like running a lunix desktop 2016-10-01T14:40:07 < Steffanx> yeah sure 2016-10-01T14:40:32 < Steffanx> can you also sync stuff back to your original installation? 2016-10-01T14:40:48 < ReadErr> i just noticed the feature now 2016-10-01T14:40:52 < ReadErr> not used it yet 2016-10-01T14:41:05 < stvn> the operating system for pros 2016-10-01T14:42:42 < Steffanx> and for stvn 2016-10-01T14:43:13 < stvn> perhaps 2016-10-01T14:44:59 < stvn> i been running that windows 7 and el capitan mate 2016-10-01T14:45:45 < Steffanx> better upgrade. 2016-10-01T14:46:06 < stvn> i sure can 2016-10-01T14:47:04 < ReadErr> or can you 2016-10-01T14:48:53 < stvn> yes 2016-10-01T14:49:09 < stvn> i have legit copies of win10 here 2016-10-01T14:49:18 < stvn> and i can upgrade to sierra for free on the mac 2016-10-01T14:49:42 < ReadErr> i only run enterprise 2016-10-01T14:50:07 < stvn> mmm i just buy pro 2016-10-01T14:50:48 < Steffanx> and how often did you pay for the license stvn? 2016-10-01T14:50:54 < Steffanx> *ReadErr 2016-10-01T14:51:21 < ReadErr> Steffanx: I have a win10 lic 2016-10-01T14:51:26 < ReadErr> but the enterprise one is legit 2016-10-01T14:51:34 < ReadErr> from a company 2016-10-01T14:51:41 < ReadErr> that I have no affiliation with 2016-10-01T14:53:52 < Steffanx> ach so 2016-10-01T14:54:31 < ReadErr> 8C outside 2016-10-01T14:54:33 < ReadErr> burr 2016-10-01T14:56:01 < stvn> it's cold in here 2016-10-01T14:57:11 < stvn> i need to find a way to remove all the cat hair off the seat upstairs 2016-10-01T14:59:16 < ReadErr> lint roller? 2016-10-01T14:59:30 < ReadErr> wrap some tape inverted around hand 2016-10-01T14:59:35 < stvn> am i evil if the only solution is 1. tape the cat to the roof 2. throw the chair with the cat still on it out of a 2nd story window 2016-10-01T15:00:15 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T15:01:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.171.109] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T15:02:36 < stvn> ReadErr, yeah i have the nashua 357 2016-10-01T15:05:08 < stvn> bbs 2016-10-01T15:05:11 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: Pepper steak and it's fixed in a little bit different way] 2016-10-01T15:06:27 -!- dohzer [~dohzer@2.19.254.125.static.comindico.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-01T15:15:21 -!- stvn [d31e276a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.211.30.39.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T15:19:04 < stvn> welcome back crt 2016-10-01T15:33:41 -!- blight [~greg@212-186-28-41.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T15:33:41 -!- blight [~greg@212-186-28-41.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-01T15:33:41 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T16:04:55 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T16:06:55 < ReadErr> aint no crt here 2016-10-01T16:08:39 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-33-215.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-01T16:08:50 < aandrew> dongs: have you ever done composite video capture? What did you use to convert/digitize the composite signal to a standard parallel bus? 2016-10-01T16:15:20 < sync> aandrew: sample with high enough bandwidth and decode manually? ;) 2016-10-01T16:16:30 < aandrew> fuck that 2016-10-01T16:16:50 < aandrew> there are a bunch of ICs out there that do it, just wondering if anyone's got any experience and can recommend (against) any 2016-10-01T16:18:14 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-01T16:25:12 < Laurenceb_> fucking MSM scum 2016-10-01T16:25:20 < Laurenceb_> Putin bashing at 110% right now 2016-10-01T16:25:35 < Laurenceb_> I'm moving to Russia at this rate 2016-10-01T16:28:19 < Steffanx> msm? 2016-10-01T16:28:26 < Steffanx> nevermind, i didnt ask. 2016-10-01T16:28:38 < Steffanx> as in: i dont want to know 2016-10-01T16:29:41 < Laurenceb_> all the Aleppo shit is making me REEEEEE 2016-10-01T16:30:01 < Laurenceb_> 110% Islamist propoganda 2016-10-01T16:36:18 < Tectu> Laurenceb_ could be the secretary of putin 2016-10-01T16:36:28 < Tectu> "community manager" 2016-10-01T16:42:07 < Steffanx> Yeah, you know all about it uh.. Laurenceb_? 2016-10-01T16:42:15 < Steffanx> You know exactly whats going on there is syria. 2016-10-01T16:42:49 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T16:58:19 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: the media distortion is pretty obvious 2016-10-01T16:58:43 < Laurenceb_> like when they give cameras out to Islamists to "film footage" 2016-10-01T16:59:50 < Laurenceb_> R2COM: they are making slow progress in Aleppo 2016-10-01T17:00:21 < Laurenceb_> lul 2016-10-01T17:00:36 < Laurenceb_> R2COM: PhD 2016-10-01T17:00:40 < Laurenceb_> *triggered* 2016-10-01T17:07:22 < aandrew> hm 2016-10-01T17:07:28 < aandrew> openmv looks pretty wild actually 2016-10-01T17:07:40 < Laurenceb_> cool story R2COM 2016-10-01T17:14:06 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.245] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T17:16:43 -!- stvn [d31e276a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.211.30.39.106] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2016-10-01T17:23:34 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-01T17:23:54 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T17:24:18 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/UILl6PFbOzA?t=14m10s 2016-10-01T17:48:54 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T17:49:24 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-01T18:02:14 < karlp> huh, eagle expects people to pay $170 to have a non-commercial version of eagle if you want more than 2 layers. 2016-10-01T18:03:48 < BrainDamage> the workflow still has its kinks 2016-10-01T18:04:21 < BrainDamage> like changing a component requires going back and forth in schematic -> package selection -> pcb 2016-10-01T18:04:32 < karlp> got shit to do, not going to learn kicad today. 2016-10-01T18:04:46 < BrainDamage> or that rubber band draggin is off by default and you need to compulsively hold ctrl 2016-10-01T18:05:21 < karlp> well fuck, lady bought three kids dvds at the fleamarket, all look ok, but two of them don't even read in my computer. 2016-10-01T18:14:58 -!- piper [~user@121-216-234-46.wifi4all.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T18:19:37 < karlp> englishman: yar, my old pc is theo nly thiing around that has an optical drive, 2016-10-01T18:19:40 < karlp> someones gotta rip this shit 2016-10-01T18:22:07 < BrainDamage> last time i used an optical drive was 10 years ago when i bought the previous pc, to burn the image files of the bundled vista installation, then never used again, not even to read them 2016-10-01T18:33:14 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.181] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T18:37:13 < Steffanx> Sounds familiar. 2016-10-01T18:47:03 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T18:58:27 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-01T19:03:14 < Rob235> damn reddit is good for generating traffic :) 2016-10-01T19:08:36 < Rob235> whats up guys 2016-10-01T19:12:10 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-01T19:16:33 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T19:20:57 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T19:24:07 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@217-211-191-115-no39.tbcn.telia.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T19:26:21 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-01T19:39:32 -!- scummos [scummos@gateway/shell/kde/x-eevarbomcmrbaygh] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-01T19:39:32 -!- scummos [scummos@kde/developer/brauch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T19:41:50 < Steffanx> The sky, Rob235 2016-10-01T19:41:53 < Steffanx> There too i hope. 2016-10-01T19:44:03 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-01T19:44:08 < Rob235> I just see my prison cell 2016-10-01T19:45:23 < Steffanx> Poor you. 2016-10-01T19:45:41 < Steffanx> Caught while selling drugs? 2016-10-01T19:45:57 < Rob235> psh I don't sell 2016-10-01T19:46:05 < Rob235> :) 2016-10-01T19:53:33 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-01T20:08:28 -!- danielinux [sbnc@danielinux.default.trexotech.uk0.bigv.io] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-01T20:08:28 -!- danielinux [sbnc@fosdem/staff/danielinux] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T20:21:08 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.117] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T20:51:49 -!- piper [~user@121-216-234-46.wifi4all.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-01T21:17:38 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-01T21:32:52 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-iwemhejoxvhghkuh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-01T21:33:19 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-bwpiyaawrvovbfze] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T21:50:41 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-bwpiyaawrvovbfze] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-01T21:51:38 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-gvivenukysvdastw] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T22:22:02 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-01T22:32:18 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.171.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-01T22:34:31 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T22:48:02 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.219.144] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T22:48:33 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-33-215.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T23:11:20 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I wonder why st-link can only do SWD at 4MHz and j-link works fine even with 12:/ 2016-10-01T23:11:25 -!- Frans-Willem [~quassel@5355DBEE.cm-6-6d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-01T23:11:47 < LeelooMinai> Trying AC6 and they only support st-link 2016-10-01T23:12:00 < LeelooMinai> The buggers 2016-10-01T23:12:07 < LeelooMinai> debuggers 2016-10-01T23:14:15 -!- Frans-Willem [~quassel@5355DBEE.cm-6-6d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T23:15:44 -!- I-Wish [~I-Wish@85.254.77.58] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T23:33:10 < kakimir> hello burgers 2016-10-01T23:38:57 * kakimir stops giggling 2016-10-01T23:39:11 < kakimir> srly wats innovation today? 2016-10-01T23:40:31 < kakimir> ReadErr: what do you think about Бук missile tests in finland? 2016-10-01T23:40:50 < Rob235> wasting time as usual on my RotorBuilds page, just finished though 2016-10-01T23:40:50 < kakimir> R2COM: * 2016-10-01T23:40:53 < Rob235> time to do some real coding 2016-10-01T23:47:54 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-gvivenukysvdastw] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-01T23:48:31 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ydjzrxuasughubwx] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-01T23:53:51 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ydjzrxuasughubwx] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-01T23:57:36 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/MjJueQ.jpg NSFW 2016-10-01T23:59:45 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-kuwbmxpzvsizjwkh] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Sun Oct 02 2016 2016-10-02T00:05:08 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-kuwbmxpzvsizjwkh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-02T00:05:15 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T00:06:15 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-vzqncztdhyrneznh] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T00:07:41 -!- I-Wish [~I-Wish@85.254.77.58] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.9.2 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 2016-10-02T00:10:42 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-vzqncztdhyrneznh] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-02T00:21:57 < Rob235> haha nice 2016-10-02T00:26:25 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-sfqsgpyzmdetaftp] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T00:30:00 < Laurenceb_> http://www.unc.edu/~mrboyle/home%20projects%20images/fried.jpg 2016-10-02T00:31:45 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-sfqsgpyzmdetaftp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-02T00:31:56 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-02T00:35:18 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-02T00:36:08 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/GvVaaZ21C44?t=7m50s if impatient go to 8:25 2016-10-02T00:38:12 < Rob235> I'm shutting down irc and other distractions, I need to get work done 2016-10-02T00:38:13 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ypxephwsdvveeplu] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T00:38:16 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-02T00:43:36 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ypxephwsdvveeplu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-02T00:52:14 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-02T00:54:33 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-dtynfraymgplmyto] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T01:01:32 < kakimir> in MH17 case 2016-10-02T01:03:58 < Thorn> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/implication-of-sabotage-adds-intrigue-to-spacex-investigation/2016/09/30/5bb60514-874c-11e6-a3ef-f35afb41797f_story.html?tid=pm_business_pop_b 2016-10-02T01:04:06 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-dtynfraymgplmyto] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-02T01:05:15 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-meifcptlervjdudb] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T01:10:13 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-meifcptlervjdudb] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-02T01:11:08 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-yqteoylleuaziwdt] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T01:14:38 < kakimir> laser weapon? 2016-10-02T01:17:11 < kakimir> question is why? 2016-10-02T01:17:56 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T01:19:32 < kakimir> hah 2016-10-02T01:20:11 < kakimir> even better.. steal all his stuff 2016-10-02T01:20:19 < kakimir> then burn what is left 2016-10-02T01:20:59 < kakimir> :D 2016-10-02T01:21:52 < kakimir> in funland showing wealth is liek.. a sin or even worse 2016-10-02T01:22:40 < kakimir> seriously? 2016-10-02T01:25:58 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-yqteoylleuaziwdt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-02T01:26:52 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-zynnruygcfojhxjf] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T01:32:15 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-zynnruygcfojhxjf] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-02T01:32:46 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-mnwvnakdivqgmhsi] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T01:37:40 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-mnwvnakdivqgmhsi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-02T01:38:39 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-xfpyhitcwytxtuya] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T01:42:36 -!- fenugrec [~R@142.217.210.99] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T01:46:47 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2016-10-02T01:52:59 * LeelooMinai does not get it 2016-10-02T01:54:56 < LeelooMinai> Was he the White Death guy? :) 2016-10-02T01:55:11 -!- BrokenCog [~BrokenCog@pdpc/supporter/active/brokencog] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T01:55:49 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-xfpyhitcwytxtuya] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-02T01:55:50 < LeelooMinai> He sniped like 500 Russians in WWII 2016-10-02T01:56:06 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-wzwxzrrhpeuxzxxs] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T01:57:05 < kakimir> R2COM: you did 2016-10-02T01:57:11 < kakimir> I don't remember 2016-10-02T01:58:57 < LeelooMinai> Russians were so scared of him that they would order artillery attacks just to try to kill him... 2016-10-02T02:07:54 < LeelooMinai> I don't think he was hiding in buildings much though. 2016-10-02T02:09:51 < LeelooMinai> A, so bad guy:) 2016-10-02T02:11:33 < LeelooMinai> O, hm, got AC6 to work with J-Link. Well, or rather just used ARM GNU J-Link debugging with it. 2016-10-02T02:12:54 < Laurenceb_> dank Harambe memes 2016-10-02T02:12:55 < LeelooMinai> So maybe I will be able to get it all: Eclipe + AC6 + CubeMX generated project with FreeRTOS + FreeRTOS task/timer/queue view in eclipse + SystemView configured for FreeRTOS + Peripherial view 2016-10-02T02:13:29 < LeelooMinai> Pretty close to getting there. 2016-10-02T02:14:14 < LeelooMinai> Would be nicer if CubeMX could just generate a project for GNU ARM Eclipse, not jsut AC6 stuff 2016-10-02T02:16:34 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-02T02:16:40 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, if I get lucky a local guy may sell me Fluke 116 for $50 USD 2016-10-02T02:17:07 < LeelooMinai> It's nice because it has μV and μA modes. 2016-10-02T02:17:17 < BrokenCog> hello. I'm trying to figure out what is causing this error, but am not having any luck. Trying to compile the sample projects/developer which comes with the emcraft STM32F746-discovery board make runs through to building image, but then: linux_stm32f7_disco/tools/bin/mkimage: Can't map arch/arm/boot/uImage: Invalid argument 2016-10-02T02:18:10 < LeelooMinai> Seems like they have some broken cog there somewhere:) 2016-10-02T02:18:44 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T02:19:11 < BrokenCog> indeed. if I could just get a spanner into the works ... 2016-10-02T02:19:43 < LeelooMinai> That's some exotic board though from what I have googled - low chance anyone uses it here I think 2016-10-02T02:20:38 < LeelooMinai> Probably most people use Discoveries and Nucleos + own designs 2016-10-02T02:20:39 < BrokenCog> didn't seem so exotic ... and, the board isn't really relevant: I get the same error trying to build any ARM project with the gnu-gcc cross compiler. 2016-10-02T02:20:44 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-wzwxzrrhpeuxzxxs] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-02T02:20:44 -!- laurence_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T02:21:30 < BrokenCog> it compiles through all the files, after building the uImage file, that last step mkimage fails. 2016-10-02T02:22:07 -!- laurence_ is now known as Guest51106 2016-10-02T02:22:17 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ukwcxmhxuhbxplee] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T02:22:24 < LeelooMinai> BrokenCog: Maybe look at the end post here: https://e2e.ti.com/support/embedded/linux/f/354/t/151363 2016-10-02T02:22:31 < LeelooMinai> Seems like that person found the culprit 2016-10-02T02:23:18 < LeelooMinai> Wrong switch it seems 2016-10-02T02:23:26 < BrokenCog> mmmm ... 2016-10-02T02:24:23 < BrokenCog> which shows the mkimage in the same tools bin path as the compilers. 2016-10-02T02:24:54 < BrokenCog> oh, wait, not the compilers, but the linux_stm..../tools/bin ... let me see if the gcc compilers have their own mkimage. 2016-10-02T02:27:14 < BrokenCog> no, just the one mkimage in tools/bin 2016-10-02T02:31:38 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ukwcxmhxuhbxplee] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-02T02:32:03 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-vwjziaohbefzwytk] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T02:37:13 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-vwjziaohbefzwytk] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-02T02:38:14 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-gdsqtafstxrxakhd] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T02:47:09 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T02:48:49 < LeelooMinai> Putting drywall on the ceiling is hard - now I look like a snowman:/ 2016-10-02T02:55:29 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-gdsqtafstxrxakhd] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-02T02:55:51 -!- Guest51106 is now known as Laurenceb__ 2016-10-02T02:56:01 < Laurenceb__> http://archive.is/oRJsA 2016-10-02T02:56:21 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-nmmtvgcjbnfbdnjz] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T02:57:35 < LeelooMinai> Ok... 2016-10-02T02:59:33 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T03:01:43 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-nmmtvgcjbnfbdnjz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-02T03:12:41 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ytaxgjmatfqoblvv] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T03:18:02 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ytaxgjmatfqoblvv] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-02T03:18:44 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-tyczejxfqiwdnnkn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T03:23:26 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-tyczejxfqiwdnnkn] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-02T03:30:44 < upgrdman> whats the function thats like sqrt() but is valid for negative... like atan() but same shape as sqrt 2016-10-02T03:33:26 < LeelooMinai> sqrt(abs(x))? :) 2016-10-02T03:34:36 < stvn> that's what i was thinking 2016-10-02T03:34:37 < Thorn> ok so apparently you can hack sdg2042x to unlock the full 120MHz 2016-10-02T03:35:03 < stvn> yeah probably 2016-10-02T03:35:10 < Thorn> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DgNtFWyqXto/hqdefault.jpg 2016-10-02T03:35:34 < stvn> tis the case with most of these things no? 2016-10-02T03:35:43 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: cube root 2016-10-02T03:35:47 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-hglxidbupstegqve] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T03:36:07 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T03:36:14 < LeelooMinai> Cube root will not be symatrical over y axis though 2016-10-02T03:36:38 < BrainDamage> neithe is atan, both cube root and atan have an odd symmetry 2016-10-02T03:36:53 < BrainDamage> while abs sqrt has even symmetry 2016-10-02T03:37:28 < LeelooMinai> Depends what he wants I guess. Always can do abs(cubicroot)), but meh 2016-10-02T03:37:30 -!- brianx [~brianx@unaffiliated/brianx] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 2016-10-02T03:38:05 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: What do you do with that generator? 2016-10-02T03:38:17 < LeelooMinai> "I generate waves" 2016-10-02T03:39:23 < LeelooMinai> Siglent has some new scopes too - they probably are also hackable 2016-10-02T03:42:22 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:ade8:c4f1:37b7:5845] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T03:42:26 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:ade8:c4f1:37b7:5845] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-02T03:42:51 < stvn> cool man 2016-10-02T03:43:40 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:ade8:c4f1:37b7:5845] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T03:44:43 < stvn> bobby dazzler 2016-10-02T03:45:51 < Thorn> After your purchasing, we'll send mails regading Hacking to 120Mhz! 2016-10-02T03:47:13 < stvn> the bobby dazzler 2016-10-02T03:51:02 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: for those playing along at home, this is the segment that i like to call bullshit... 'cause we're in like flynn] 2016-10-02T03:53:10 < LeelooMinai> lol 2016-10-02T03:53:25 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: I thought you are Russian:p 2016-10-02T03:53:54 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-hglxidbupstegqve] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-02T03:54:20 < LeelooMinai> I think they are well aware that some people hack those and probably do not care that much. 2016-10-02T03:54:48 < LeelooMinai> They still get a client that would maybe otherwise buy some other non-Siglent scope. 2016-10-02T03:55:14 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-usfqqqdfjanasarv] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T03:55:27 < LeelooMinai> Well, I guess in general. 2016-10-02T03:56:08 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: What will you use it for? 2016-10-02T03:56:42 < Thorn> only problem is Russian customs may seize it as "not for personal use" and demand a statement and proof of purchase and shit 2016-10-02T03:58:23 < Thorn> siglent is oem for lecroy 2016-10-02T03:58:33 < Thorn> same hardware, different firmware 2016-10-02T03:58:44 < Thorn> siglent actually has more features iirc 2016-10-02T04:00:06 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-usfqqqdfjanasarv] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-02T04:00:18 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T04:01:04 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-qqyzvuzxstcxkiyf] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T04:03:45 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:ade8:c4f1:37b7:5845] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-02T04:06:17 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-qqyzvuzxstcxkiyf] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-02T04:09:54 < Thorn> https://mediacdn.eu/m/media/wysiwyg/siglent/Downloads/DataSheet/SDG2000X%20Datasheet-en.pdf 2016-10-02T04:13:38 -!- brianx [~brianx@unaffiliated/brianx] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T04:15:11 < aandrew> what're you doing with an ADC like that 2016-10-02T04:15:35 < aandrew> oh that's a AWG, thought you were talking DACs 2016-10-02T04:15:53 -!- Laurenceb__ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-02T04:17:19 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-smkjzhgvvwnbajgh] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T04:17:37 < Thorn> found R2COM https://icdn.lenta.ru/images/2016/09/30/17/20160930175634017/preview_861b5c7d32d752ac7892d286633594a5.jpg 2016-10-02T04:18:23 < LeelooMinai> Red Generals? :) 2016-10-02T04:19:11 < LeelooMinai> lol @ the statue of liberty face 2016-10-02T04:22:17 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-smkjzhgvvwnbajgh] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-02T04:23:27 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ddvemxzuqxdsdudp] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T04:39:11 < Thorn> http://www.siglent.eu/spectrum-analyzers.html 2016-10-02T04:42:38 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ddvemxzuqxdsdudp] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-02T04:45:54 < LeelooMinai> I use something called Fubar2000 (seriously) - it's "lean and mean", no bells and whistles, but works. 2016-10-02T04:47:02 < LeelooMinai> The fubar thing can index albums from LAN, etc. 2016-10-02T04:47:08 < upgrdman> how do i rotate an existing quaternion by 90 degrees in the x axis? 2016-10-02T04:47:15 < upgrdman> tried googling this and wtf. no clear answers 2016-10-02T04:49:09 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-xcppcknzqtqwwtfu] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T04:49:14 < upgrdman> wheres the fucking answer 2016-10-02T04:49:24 < upgrdman> is it just a quat multiplication? 2016-10-02T04:55:23 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-xcppcknzqtqwwtfu] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-02T04:56:51 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-hfoqooymxfzxuxlp] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T04:58:01 < aandrew> fuck man I wish I had more of a brain for math 2016-10-02T04:58:14 < aandrew> there are few things I've run across that I'm limited on and this is one of them 2016-10-02T05:07:47 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-hfoqooymxfzxuxlp] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-02T05:08:08 < LeelooMinai> lol, j-link swd isolator at digi is 372 CAD 2016-10-02T05:08:23 < dongs> optoisolating 50MHz is hard 2016-10-02T05:08:43 < LeelooMinai> But what 50MHz... SWD does not work near this speed 2016-10-02T05:08:50 < dongs> but jlink does. 2016-10-02T05:09:09 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, the EDU one I have is max 12MHz 2016-10-02T05:09:23 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-kkmlejyhruhninwk] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T05:09:34 < LeelooMinai> But still, I was looking at isolators yesterday and 150Mbps are not that expensive - $2 or so 2016-10-02T05:10:32 < LeelooMinai> Not sure about the VREF pin though - I guess one could sample it and send digitally and then DAC it at worst... 2016-10-02T05:11:17 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, Also, the data pin is bidirectional I think. 2016-10-02T05:11:34 < dongs> just thinking about engineering involved you';ve already spent $372 CAD if your time wasn't worthless. 2016-10-02T05:12:01 < LeelooMinai> Not if you are a poor hobbyist:) 2016-10-02T05:12:14 < dongs> you dont need to pass vref to the other side other than for tracking purposes tho 2016-10-02T05:12:23 < dongs> vref in jlinks that dont power target only matters for i/o levels 2016-10-02T05:12:42 < LeelooMinai> Right, I am not sure how crucial it is - the st-link seemed not to even read it for me. 2016-10-02T05:12:53 < LeelooMinai> But j-link looks at it for sure. 2016-10-02T05:13:12 < LeelooMinai> but maybe will accept 0 there, don't know. 2016-10-02T05:14:31 < LeelooMinai> I made an USB isolator once, but it's not HS: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/13576450145 2016-10-02T05:14:42 < LeelooMinai> It's nice otherwise - does the power isolation too. 2016-10-02T05:14:55 < LeelooMinai> But J-link uses HS, so no help there. 2016-10-02T05:15:05 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-kkmlejyhruhninwk] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-02T05:15:16 < aandrew> it's cheaper to get a USB isolator 2016-10-02T05:15:28 < LeelooMinai> HS are super-expensive 2016-10-02T05:15:33 < aandrew> no they're not 2016-10-02T05:15:43 < LeelooMinai> lol 2016-10-02T05:16:12 < aandrew> https://www.amazon.com/USB-High-Speed-Isolator-Adapter/dp/B01E68ME7S 2016-10-02T05:16:16 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Are you asleep or something? :p 2016-10-02T05:17:11 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Any guesses? 2016-10-02T05:17:16 < aandrew> http://www.usbgear.com/CG-USB20ISO.html 2016-10-02T05:17:25 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: motor control? 2016-10-02T05:17:43 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: For programming/debugging uCs 2016-10-02T05:17:50 < LeelooMinai> Surprise 2016-10-02T05:18:02 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Well, it's not cheap... 2016-10-02T05:18:22 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Because Segger has SystemView 2016-10-02T05:18:34 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: it's a lot cheaper than what you linked :-) 2016-10-02T05:18:47 < aandrew> R2COM: I used to do HC16 motor control 2016-10-02T05:18:57 < aandrew> the MCU was on the 1100V bus 2016-10-02T05:19:04 < LeelooMinai> Well, $190 US so, $250 CAD - maybe a bit, but still... 2016-10-02T05:19:06 < aandrew> I once (ONCE) mistakenly connected it to my PC 2016-10-02T05:19:22 < aandrew> fucking scared the shit out of me 2016-10-02T05:20:03 < LeelooMinai> Well, I have some little ground loops right now - with J-link conencted I see the waveforms on M1K are like 3 times wider than without it p-p 2016-10-02T05:20:16 < LeelooMinai> M1K uses HS too though, so oops.. 2016-10-02T05:20:23 < aandrew> blew out the ground traces on the BDM, blew up my parallel port and ruined one pair of underpants 2016-10-02T05:21:20 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, maybe it is worth just designing that SWD isolator - it's less extreme to do than HS one 2016-10-02T05:21:37 < aandrew> develop using a laptop on battery power and wifi? 2016-10-02T05:21:41 < LeelooMinai> Less unversal though 2016-10-02T05:21:47 < LeelooMinai> Lap-what? :) 2016-10-02T05:21:52 < dongs> why do yo ueven need to isolate stuff 2016-10-02T05:21:56 < LeelooMinai> I don't do laptops... 2016-10-02T05:22:27 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: isolation transformer? 2016-10-02T05:22:31 < LeelooMinai> dongs: I just described why - j-link connected disturbs the grounds and I do not have nice current measurement any more. 2016-10-02T05:22:56 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: I have one, but I would need to connect the whole PC to it - that's a fail:) 2016-10-02T05:23:29 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: what are you powering you DUT from? 2016-10-02T05:23:43 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: From that M12K board - it's USB too. 2016-10-02T05:24:18 < LeelooMinai> Well, I have power source on USB and J-link on USB, so yes, there are ground loops. 2016-10-02T05:24:31 < LeelooMinai> But I need them both on USB, so... 2016-10-02T05:24:38 < aandrew> power everything from the same usb hub? 2016-10-02T05:25:41 < dongs> LeelooMinai: you will have current drawing from jlink anyway 2016-10-02T05:25:43 < dongs> for the vref sampling. 2016-10-02T05:25:50 < dongs> regular one draws liek 3mA or so 2016-10-02T05:26:01 < dongs> so when I did uA measurement on my F4 shit i just disconenctd the probe. 2016-10-02T05:26:05 < LeelooMinai> Right, well, I could try moving both to the same hub -0 not sure if this will solve the problem. 2016-10-02T05:26:33 < LeelooMinai> Hmm... 2016-10-02T05:26:58 < LeelooMinai> 3mA sound crazy... 2016-10-02T05:27:02 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/329EWxz.gifv 2016-10-02T05:27:03 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-hssuzbjcbtwekfku] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T05:27:14 < dongs> my shit enters standby after 15 seconds so just powered it on and let it idle 2016-10-02T05:27:22 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T05:27:28 < aandrew> lol 2016-10-02T05:27:31 < aandrew> fuck this car in particular 2016-10-02T05:28:02 < LeelooMinai> E, no, I disconnected vref and no change on the current draw waveform 2016-10-02T05:28:48 < LeelooMinai> I need to eat - will try one-hub setup later 2016-10-02T05:29:28 < upgrdman> found R2COM http://imgur.com/Z7vhHD3 2016-10-02T05:29:41 < dongs> That's why uni(versitie)s have Safe Spaces now! "a great source of frustration for people with a strong sense of entitlement is unmet expectations. They often feel entitled to a level of respect and rewards that aren▒t in line with their actual ability and effort levels, and so they might not get the level of respect and rewards they are expecting." 2016-10-02T05:31:37 < aandrew> hm 2016-10-02T05:31:44 < dongs> never mind the university part 2016-10-02T05:31:49 < aandrew> if you're on a space mission why would you call mayday in an emergency.. nobody's gonna be able to come help 2016-10-02T05:31:59 < dongs> the entitlement/ability stuff is spot on 2016-10-02T05:32:26 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-hssuzbjcbtwekfku] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-02T05:32:56 < dongs> but then you wouldnt get paid 2016-10-02T05:33:03 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-nrkwtdgkdziqrtrt] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T05:33:07 < aandrew> R2COM: I've run into a few of those types over the years. maybeb I've been lucky though, by far almost everyone I work with is pretty chill 2016-10-02T05:35:52 < aandrew> IRL though I'm pretty low key though, I am happy to let asshats take the credit, most people I care about know how to separate the buckwheat from the bullshit 2016-10-02T05:36:43 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/thcgGDv.gifv 2016-10-02T05:37:38 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-nrkwtdgkdziqrtrt] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-02T05:38:23 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@S01061cabc0ab4603.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T05:39:06 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-mlsuqqpojneplpuh] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T05:39:08 < machinehum> How do you detect a terminating char coming in from a usart string 2016-10-02T05:39:17 < machinehum> Because I 2016-10-02T05:39:37 < machinehum> Whoops - i'm dumping the entire string in gdb and there's no \0 2016-10-02T05:39:42 < machinehum> at the end 2016-10-02T05:40:14 < machinehum> I'm using screeb 2016-10-02T05:40:16 < machinehum> screen* 2016-10-02T05:44:10 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-mlsuqqpojneplpuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-02T05:45:08 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-fqizkydrtxmfmpls] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T05:45:58 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-02T05:46:29 < aandrew> hm? 2016-10-02T05:48:54 < dongs> wut 2016-10-02T05:49:04 < dongs> why would there be a "terminating char" if you arent sending one? 2016-10-02T05:50:27 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-fqizkydrtxmfmpls] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-02T05:50:49 -!- fenugrec [~R@142.217.210.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-02T05:56:03 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-dxpmhcoinqmfpsgh] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T06:03:21 < LeelooMinai> Damn, on one hub it's even worse: http://i.imgur.com/Tmu0y9m.png 2016-10-02T06:03:29 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/6gp55GV.gifv 2016-10-02T06:03:31 < LeelooMinai> lol @ the waves there 2016-10-02T06:03:55 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, what program is that 2016-10-02T06:04:16 < LeelooMinai> That's that Analog Devices $40 board - ADALM100 aka M1K 2016-10-02T06:05:08 < LeelooMinai> They have software for it. That thing there (simple, but useful,) and a Scope-like one 2016-10-02T06:05:48 < LeelooMinai> I think I may have to make that isolator - that will be the cheapest way 2016-10-02T06:06:10 < upgrdman> so its a 100kSPS SMU? 2016-10-02T06:06:43 < LeelooMinai> Yes, can work as one. Or 2 channel scope 2016-10-02T06:07:44 < upgrdman> scope at what SPS 2016-10-02T06:07:55 < LeelooMinai> Same, 100k 2016-10-02T06:08:08 < dongs> but can it work as autism spectrum analyzer???? 2016-10-02T06:08:24 < upgrdman> hmm. i know yours is cheaper, but im be tempted to just get the anal disco for like $200... so much better 2016-10-02T06:08:25 < LeelooMinai> It can do bode plots:) 2016-10-02T06:08:41 < LeelooMinai> I thought you already have it... 2016-10-02T06:08:49 < upgrdman> i have an anal disco 2016-10-02T06:09:10 < LeelooMinai> It's $300 2016-10-02T06:09:11 < upgrdman> but im saying... your board seems to have little features for little price... why not go a bit better 2016-10-02T06:09:30 < upgrdman> its $260 2016-10-02T06:09:38 < upgrdman> and cheaper if you know a usa student 2016-10-02T06:09:46 < LeelooMinai> Well, I don't think it can work as SMU even - not without external circuit. 2016-10-02T06:10:18 < upgrdman> or $125 used http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digilent-Analog-Discovery-and-Analog-Parts-Kit-/302093412919?hash=item46562baa37:g:-BYAAOSwzaJX8FU0 2016-10-02T06:10:31 < dongs> f11 2016-10-02T06:10:32 < upgrdman> R2COM, alt-f11 iirc 2016-10-02T06:10:33 < LeelooMinai> F11? 2016-10-02T06:10:44 < upgrdman> oh ya f11 2016-10-02T06:11:10 < dongs> i have no fucking idea why that mode even exists 2016-10-02T06:11:20 < upgrdman> wtf. why are usb a->b cables so expensive. i just want a short one, and theyre like twice the price of a->microb 2016-10-02T06:11:25 < dongs> i cant thikn of a single time I have ever thought "hmm I'd love to run chrome in full fucking screen" 2016-10-02T06:11:38 < dongs> B? like printer cable? 2016-10-02T06:11:47 < LeelooMinai> I imagine for presentations etc. 2016-10-02T06:11:49 < jadew> SMU? 2016-10-02T06:12:24 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NH11KIK looks cheap to me 2016-10-02T06:12:30 < dongs> 1st google hit for like usb-B 2016-10-02T06:12:40 < LeelooMinai> Right, SMU = Source Measure Unit (?) - something that can both source voltage and measure current at high resolution and log it/waveform it 2016-10-02T06:13:05 < upgrdman> dongs, ya that kind. but $5 wtf. equiv micro cable is like $2 2016-10-02T06:13:06 < jadew> LeelooMinai, thought so, but it didn't fit with the prices you guys are talking about 2016-10-02T06:13:15 < LeelooMinai> I wonder if that's gold-plated:) 2016-10-02T06:13:15 < upgrdman> $5 is like first world price 2016-10-02T06:13:23 < dongs> well fuck man 2016-10-02T06:13:28 < dongs> here's an idea 2016-10-02T06:13:30 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Well, big SMUs are $$$ 2016-10-02T06:13:33 < dongs> buy A and B sockets from digikey 2016-10-02T06:13:35 < dongs> make your own cable 2016-10-02T06:13:36 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I know 2016-10-02T06:13:36 < dongs> save money 2016-10-02T06:13:39 < upgrdman> dongs, lol 2016-10-02T06:14:01 < LeelooMinai> This is a baby SMU, but $40 - one of the nices things I got:) 2016-10-02T06:14:19 < jadew> LeelooMinai, link? 2016-10-02T06:14:20 < LeelooMinai> Can output eaveforms too 2016-10-02T06:14:38 < dongs> fucking ADI shill 2016-10-02T06:14:44 < LeelooMinai> http://www.analog.com/en/design-center/evaluation-hardware-and-software/evaluation-boards-kits/eval-adalm1000.html#eb-overview 2016-10-02T06:15:27 < jadew> neat 2016-10-02T06:15:36 < upgrdman> ok this is better https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-RCAB-11002-3-Feet-Plated-Cable/dp/B00552PE6S/ref=sr_1_38?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1475378112&sr=1-38&keywords=usb+a+b+3+ft 2016-10-02T06:15:40 < jadew> you can probably built something better in 2 hours :P 2016-10-02T06:15:47 < jadew> *build 2016-10-02T06:16:11 < jadew> regular bench PSU + fast ADC & USB 2016-10-02T06:16:29 < jadew> and one of those high side current monitor ICs 2016-10-02T06:16:46 < LeelooMinai> jadew: O, really? : Good luck:) https://wiki.analog.com/_media/university/tools/m1k/adalm1000_bottom.png 2016-10-02T06:17:08 < jadew> eh, I'm sure that's overkill 2016-10-02T06:17:32 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@S01061cabc0ab4603.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-02T06:17:33 < jadew> Atmel ARM? 2016-10-02T06:17:45 < LeelooMinai> Well, it has an ARM there and 16-bit resolution for ADC/DACs 2016-10-02T06:17:53 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-dxpmhcoinqmfpsgh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-02T06:18:02 < LeelooMinai> Right, some SAM-whatever thing 2016-10-02T06:18:17 < jadew> yeah, I guess they're using nice parts on it 2016-10-02T06:18:18 < LeelooMinai> Has HS USB built in 2016-10-02T06:18:28 < jadew> external ADC? 2016-10-02T06:18:34 < LeelooMinai> Right, AD everything of course 2016-10-02T06:18:42 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-hbuaabdhteoyicjs] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T06:18:47 < LeelooMinai> I believe so 2016-10-02T06:19:10 < LeelooMinai> AD5663R 2016-10-02T06:19:22 < LeelooMinai> The hardware is described here: https://wiki.analog.com/university/tools/m1k/hw 2016-10-02T06:19:45 < LeelooMinai> Very useful trash imo:) 2016-10-02T06:20:01 < LeelooMinai> It's pretty cool - perfect for a clasroom. 2016-10-02T06:20:29 < jadew> 16 bits of resolution 2016-10-02T06:20:32 < LeelooMinai> 100μA I think 2016-10-02T06:21:25 < LeelooMinai> It can graph it, yes 2016-10-02T06:21:48 < LeelooMinai> Well, it has 2 channels like this - so can graph two SMUs I guess. 2016-10-02T06:22:18 < LeelooMinai> lol, yes, it's a clasroom/hobbyist tool that is supposed to be cheap, but useful 2016-10-02T06:22:48 < LeelooMinai> "it doesn't have 100Gb ethernet" 2016-10-02T06:23:28 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but this is supposed to be connectable to, say, laptop, tablet, etc. 2016-10-02T06:23:31 < dongs> 10mbps actually draws more current htan 100 2016-10-02T06:24:50 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: O well, I am sure you have some great SMU there at your disposal. That's all I could get for now, so there. 2016-10-02T06:28:38 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-hbuaabdhteoyicjs] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-02T06:28:42 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, now when I think about passing VREF across isolation, it could be just using some photo-coupler and op-amps on both sides - would not need a digital isolator. 2016-10-02T06:28:55 < LeelooMinai> If done right, should work. 2016-10-02T06:29:20 < LeelooMinai> I also wonder what they have inside those USB HS isolators. 2016-10-02T06:29:32 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-fudwahyakonmghvf] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T06:30:03 < dongs> on the other side its only used for level shift 2016-10-02T06:30:04 < LeelooMinai> Well, just thinking it would be elegant if it also passed the voltage out. 2016-10-02T06:30:13 < dongs> so i think actually for all practical purposes you dont NEED to pass it across at all 2016-10-02T06:30:19 < dongs> you just generate constant 3.3V 2016-10-02T06:30:21 < dongs> because if you do pass it 2016-10-02T06:30:27 < dongs> and the target vcc is like 1.8V or whatever 2016-10-02T06:30:33 < dongs> but your opto shit is outputting 3-5V 2016-10-02T06:30:57 < dongs> basically vref on teh jlink side wshould bec whatever your isolated I/O stuff is doing. 2016-10-02T06:31:01 < LeelooMinai> It could feed the voltage to the isolator 2016-10-02T06:31:13 < dongs> no point. 2016-10-02T06:31:28 < LeelooMinai> Maybe 2016-10-02T06:31:38 < dongs> only autism 2016-10-02T06:31:48 < LeelooMinai> Autism'R'Us 2016-10-02T06:31:58 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@S01061cabc0ab4603.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T06:32:11 < dongs> this is all becauyse you 1) refuse to get a job 2) refuse to get proper test tools 2016-10-02T06:32:23 < dongs> if ytou would do both of those things, this wouldnt even be an issue 2016-10-02T06:32:30 -!- machinehum [~machinehu@S01061cabc0ab4603.vc.shawcable.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2016-10-02T06:32:31 < LeelooMinai> I am retired - cannot have a job:) 2016-10-02T06:32:41 < dongs> if I ever need optoisolted jlink (i cant imaging any time when I do tho) I would just buy thier adatper. 2016-10-02T06:32:53 < LeelooMinai> No way, too expensive. 2016-10-02T06:33:11 < dongs> i ordered jlink ultra+ the other day. 2016-10-02T06:33:17 < LeelooMinai> ... 2016-10-02T06:33:44 < dongs> yeah ended up looking better spec/feature wise than keil jewlink pro 2016-10-02T06:34:12 < dongs> it also has current measurement if its allowed to power target 2016-10-02T06:34:16 < dongs> too bad the resolution is crap 2016-10-02T06:34:40 < LeelooMinai> I think they all do - some rudimentary one? 2016-10-02T06:35:34 < LeelooMinai> $750:/ 2016-10-02T06:35:40 < dongs> 50uA resolution 2016-10-02T06:35:46 < dongs> if thats lsb, thats pretty awful 2016-10-02T06:36:07 < dongs> 200msps 2016-10-02T06:36:13 < dongs> proly same part as on that analog dumbboard 2016-10-02T06:36:33 < dongs> err 200Ksps 2016-10-02T06:37:09 < LeelooMinai> You could get the ARM one with full trace 2016-10-02T06:37:18 < dongs> dont need it 2016-10-02T06:37:36 < dongs> i dont have a single board that breaks out full ETM 2016-10-02T06:37:43 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:426:a902:efac:7a38] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T06:37:52 < dongs> and 100mhz swo is more useful for realtiem capture 2016-10-02T06:42:04 -!- Jak_o_Shadows1 [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T06:45:30 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-02T06:50:36 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-fudwahyakonmghvf] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-02T06:50:52 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-02T06:52:02 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-bdeqfcuyuxfaseog] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T06:56:48 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-bdeqfcuyuxfaseog] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-02T06:57:47 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-mltiwzgmmtncwzuy] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T06:59:11 < LeelooMinai> stuffing float into int? 2016-10-02T06:59:15 < dongs> the list of fail in that code is fucking enormous 2016-10-02T07:00:31 < LeelooMinai> So what's the error message? 2016-10-02T07:01:10 < LeelooMinai> What about 1.0d? 2016-10-02T07:01:46 < dongs> R2COM: to add tarsh to vector you need to .push_back() or something iirc 2016-10-02T07:01:56 < dongs> you only get indexed access to read 2016-10-02T07:01:57 < dongs> yes. 2016-10-02T07:02:38 < LeelooMinai> A, wait, not d, it's not Java:p Try 1.0L 2016-10-02T07:02:50 < dongs> no you dumb fuck 2016-10-02T07:02:52 < dongs> 1.0 = double 2016-10-02T07:02:54 < dongs> 1.0f = float 2016-10-02T07:03:09 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-mltiwzgmmtncwzuy] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-02T07:03:17 < dongs> thats because thats not hte problem 2016-10-02T07:03:49 < dongs> dumbloominai is jsut spreading autism 2016-10-02T07:04:04 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, too long of writing Java code 2016-10-02T07:04:18 < dongs> whty are you using a vector for fixed isze array anyway 2016-10-02T07:05:28 < dongs> so instead youre creating a shit-sized array on the stack? 2016-10-02T07:05:29 < dongs> great idea. 2016-10-02T07:05:44 < dongs> add that to the list of fails in that code snippet. 2016-10-02T07:07:17 < dongs> 'about as standard as gcc on windows 2016-10-02T07:07:20 < dongs> also qt has its own array types. 2016-10-02T07:07:22 < dongs> why not use THOSE? 2016-10-02T07:07:26 < dongs> tahts "standard"" too if you use QT 2016-10-02T07:07:52 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T07:07:56 < dongs> uf yiyure gibba flh 2016-10-02T07:07:59 < dongs> if youre gonna fail why not just fail 100% 2016-10-02T07:08:08 < LeelooMinai> Looking at vector class the operator [] actually returns a reference to the element 2016-10-02T07:08:42 < dongs> < dongs> you only get indexed access to read 2016-10-02T07:08:50 < dongs> 8 minutes before autism started 2016-10-02T07:09:23 < LeelooMinai> No, it return the referenfe - you can still modify it 2016-10-02T07:09:29 < LeelooMinai> reference* 2016-10-02T07:09:36 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-jivrllssxvzxlnqt] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T07:09:50 < LeelooMinai> So it's not read only access, unless the vector is constant 2016-10-02T07:10:42 < LeelooMinai> And there is the data method that can return pointer 2016-10-02T07:11:18 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-02T07:11:20 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Also, if you have a vector of complex why would you think that you can put doubles inside? 2016-10-02T07:11:22 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-02T07:12:27 < LeelooMinai> Yes, dongs has autisnm, it should work:) 2016-10-02T07:13:24 < LeelooMinai> Right, I may disturb his safe space... 2016-10-02T07:14:03 < Thorn> R2COM: 14 bit vs 16 bit https://youtu.be/_Mup2VnXH_k?t=8m8s 2016-10-02T07:14:06 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Are you mentally challenged? I am just re-offending him in return:p 2016-10-02T07:15:31 < LeelooMinai> Can you link to the code? 2016-10-02T07:16:12 < LeelooMinai> What about the declaration of fAxis? 2016-10-02T07:16:47 < Thorn> you have an array of vectors 2016-10-02T07:17:15 < LeelooMinai> So what is fAxis declaration... 2016-10-02T07:17:43 < LeelooMinai> A 2016-10-02T07:18:08 < LeelooMinai> E, wait... 2016-10-02T07:18:26 < LeelooMinai> Why is [] there - if it's a class 2016-10-02T07:18:46 < LeelooMinai> Should be () 2016-10-02T07:19:05 < LeelooMinai> Change [] to () 2016-10-02T07:20:00 < LeelooMinai> Thorn was right - you had huge arrays of vectors... 2016-10-02T07:20:05 < LeelooMinai> array* 2016-10-02T07:20:28 < LeelooMinai> With default constructor 2016-10-02T07:21:36 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-jivrllssxvzxlnqt] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-02T07:21:50 < Thorn> empty vectors too so foo[i] = x is UB 2016-10-02T07:22:58 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-rwfjsoqtjcdrtdcr] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T07:28:12 < dongs> nice 2016-10-02T07:28:16 < dongs> i got another overclocked STM32 2016-10-02T07:28:19 < dongs> at like 200mhz 2016-10-02T07:28:27 < dongs> lets see what the crystla runs at 2016-10-02T07:28:46 < dongs> this is 2nd time a reel of 12mhz xtals has one thats NOT 12mhz 2016-10-02T07:29:56 < emeb_mac> this whole conspiracy theory that lazer drones sabotaged the spacex... 2016-10-02T07:29:58 < dongs> 72 2016-10-02T07:30:02 < emeb_mac> it's like a bad movie 2016-10-02T07:30:08 < dongs> turning on scope to check 2016-10-02T07:31:04 < emeb_mac> of course 2016-10-02T07:31:08 * LeelooMinai thinks "And they laughed at me overclocking my i5 a bit:p" 2016-10-02T07:31:14 < emeb_mac> still - sabotage. freaky 2016-10-02T07:31:56 < LeelooMinai> You can snipe at 50 miles? 2016-10-02T07:32:42 < dongs> yep lol 2016-10-02T07:32:44 < dongs> xtal is 25mhz 2016-10-02T07:33:02 < Thorn> what round would it take to cause an immediate fireball? fuel is not pre-mixed with oxygen in the tanks 2016-10-02T07:33:07 < dongs> so 150mhz 2016-10-02T07:33:12 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/3weelox.png 2016-10-02T07:34:41 < LeelooMinai> Explosive round? 2016-10-02T07:36:04 < dongs> can you explode a propellant tank with that 2016-10-02T07:36:04 < LeelooMinai> That looks like small cannon 2016-10-02T07:36:32 < LeelooMinai> Yes, alligators:p 2016-10-02T07:37:06 < LeelooMinai> But would not stop it... 2016-10-02T07:38:56 < dongs> can you even send guns in fedex 2016-10-02T07:39:04 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I would sell it and buy something practical 2016-10-02T07:39:50 < LeelooMinai> Could buy an USB isolator for it probably 2016-10-02T07:40:06 < Thorn> you can send guns in an IL-76 2016-10-02T07:40:52 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-02T07:40:54 < Thorn> lol 2016-10-02T07:41:00 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T07:41:02 < LeelooMinai> Isn't it illushin? 2016-10-02T07:41:09 < LeelooMinai> I think they made planes 2016-10-02T07:41:33 < LeelooMinai> Like a flying tank of WWII one - I had a model of it when I was small 2016-10-02T07:41:51 < LeelooMinai> Was not into dolls much:p 2016-10-02T07:42:33 < LeelooMinai> No, the il-2 2016-10-02T07:42:48 < LeelooMinai> http://worldofwarplanes.com/warplanes/history/plane-spotlights/il-2-flying-tank/ 2016-10-02T07:43:21 < LeelooMinai> I guess that's another flying tank then 2016-10-02T07:44:54 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-rwfjsoqtjcdrtdcr] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-02T07:45:18 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-02T07:45:28 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T07:46:03 < PeterM> a few flying tanks here https://youtu.be/FG1LGKieTxY?t=85 2016-10-02T07:46:11 < PeterM> also i know itsa old 2016-10-02T07:51:07 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ymdaadbelrjbwfhd] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T08:06:33 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ymdaadbelrjbwfhd] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-02T08:12:58 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-banpomuponheeehg] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T08:28:01 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-banpomuponheeehg] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-02T08:28:50 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-fabzclhhvjepdqqr] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T08:34:12 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-fabzclhhvjepdqqr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-02T08:34:39 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-rwpwkyfhjjwobpgl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T08:36:43 < LeelooMinai> I think I will write a translator script from this channel. 2016-10-02T08:37:05 < upgrdman> FAGGOT 2016-10-02T08:37:31 < LeelooMinai> Well, I will replace "faggot" with guy, "shit", hmm, maybe with empty string, etc. :) 2016-10-02T08:38:09 < upgrdman> figgit 2016-10-02T08:39:24 < LeelooMinai> It seems that you use it to just denote someome... 2016-10-02T08:39:30 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-rwpwkyfhjjwobpgl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-02T08:39:41 < upgrdman> R2COM, lol 2016-10-02T08:39:46 < LeelooMinai> And "shit" is maybe "something" - I tell you, one needs a decoder 2016-10-02T08:40:23 < upgrdman> bunch of faggots dicking with your shit 2016-10-02T08:40:33 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-thltkxwwrheukwwf] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T08:41:17 < LeelooMinai> Ok, will add s/dicking/playing/ 2016-10-02T08:41:46 < upgrdman> :) 2016-10-02T08:42:31 < upgrdman> how are you gonna translate faggotry 2016-10-02T08:42:43 < LeelooMinai> manhood? 2016-10-02T08:43:42 < LeelooMinai> Well, it's my translator - I will start with that and see if it works well. 2016-10-02T08:45:15 < LeelooMinai> No idea what's that supposed to mean. 2016-10-02T08:45:33 < LeelooMinai> Must be some Russian thing... 2016-10-02T08:46:06 < LeelooMinai> Did not hear people using such words in Canada. 2016-10-02T08:56:21 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-02T08:58:44 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-02T09:05:31 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T09:08:02 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-thltkxwwrheukwwf] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-02T09:14:55 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-rolhtqawppuhsscs] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T09:32:34 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-rolhtqawppuhsscs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-02T09:35:41 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: for those playing along at home, this is the segment that i like to call bullshit... 'cause we're in like flynn] 2016-10-02T09:36:35 -!- piper [~user@121-216-234-46.wifi4all.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T09:48:50 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-02T09:49:54 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-fhhflubxkvkqfysg] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T09:54:56 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T09:55:05 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-fhhflubxkvkqfysg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-02T09:57:36 < dongs> theres never a good reason to get into python 2016-10-02T10:01:25 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-nuiovvkstpdamnib] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T10:04:25 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d1e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T10:04:41 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-02T10:06:02 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-nuiovvkstpdamnib] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-02T10:11:13 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.133.9] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T10:16:49 < Fleck> LeelooMinai: +10000 :D 2016-10-02T10:18:07 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ewzxxmazuibhpurz] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T10:23:03 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ewzxxmazuibhpurz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-02T10:23:53 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-fnwwbxnreznhqmkv] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T10:25:56 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T10:26:31 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-02T10:26:45 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T10:30:52 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T10:33:48 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-02T10:34:31 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d1e2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-02T10:38:18 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T10:44:09 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-fnwwbxnreznhqmkv] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-02T10:45:29 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ksirktebxejxoeqy] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T10:53:26 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ksirktebxejxoeqy] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-02T10:55:00 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-bsbqdyckbhdlqivf] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T10:59:37 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-bsbqdyckbhdlqivf] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-02T11:00:55 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-kffsvdtvrneqxuad] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T11:05:59 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-kffsvdtvrneqxuad] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-02T11:06:28 < dongs> fleck the sjw faggot 2016-10-02T11:06:34 < dongs> m2f supporter 2016-10-02T11:06:49 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-xnxnmdrbspdgntgt] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T11:08:18 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-02T11:11:52 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-xnxnmdrbspdgntgt] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-02T11:23:25 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-hawlolpzhryikbwo] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T11:24:12 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T11:29:18 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-02T11:37:58 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-hawlolpzhryikbwo] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-02T11:39:41 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-nijttgdlllewjwti] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T11:44:54 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-nijttgdlllewjwti] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-02T11:56:31 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.219.144] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-02T12:01:10 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-daeknzxjfcregyrw] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T12:01:55 < upgrdman> lolwut https://i.redd.it/m3k77yapl0px.jpg 2016-10-02T12:03:11 < dongs> story of upgrdman's life 2016-10-02T12:03:17 < upgrdman> haha 2016-10-02T12:05:11 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T12:07:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T12:21:29 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T12:22:48 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-02T12:23:10 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T12:35:21 < Steffanx> Cant you guy stop throwing insult at each other? Its getting really silly now. 2016-10-02T12:35:27 < Steffanx> Insults* 2016-10-02T12:35:42 < Tectu> do I want to read logs? 2016-10-02T12:36:16 < dongs> no 2016-10-02T12:36:28 < dongs> tectu, what do you think of ToucHGFX 2016-10-02T12:36:57 < dongs> http://touchgfx.com/en/ 2016-10-02T12:37:05 < dongs> pal was jizzing about it earlier 2016-10-02T12:37:20 < Tectu> dongs, they know how to make stuff look fancy. But at the end of the day I have one customer per month that actually paid for TouchGFX and now moves to uGFX 2016-10-02T12:37:21 < Steffanx> Its ugfx with better demos ;) 2016-10-02T12:37:27 < Tectu> yeah, that ^ 2016-10-02T12:37:30 < dongs> lo' 2016-10-02T12:37:45 < dongs> are you sayin we should use jewGFX for production? 2016-10-02T12:38:01 < Tectu> well, many companies do that these days, including some really big ones 2016-10-02T12:38:11 < Tectu> uGFX is not some script kiddy shit 2016-10-02T12:38:29 < Tectu> at the end of the day the decision is yours of course 2016-10-02T12:38:33 < BrainDamage> your opinion might be sliiighly biased 2016-10-02T12:38:43 < Tectu> I guess that is more than obvious 2016-10-02T12:39:00 < dongs> and you have a working ra8875 driver? 2016-10-02T12:39:04 < dongs> but how much is touchgfx 2016-10-02T12:39:06 < Tectu> yes 2016-10-02T12:39:11 < dongs> lets see 2016-10-02T12:39:20 < dongs> holy shit 2016-10-02T12:39:20 < Tectu> dongs, http://touchgfx.com/en/services-pricing/licenses/ 2016-10-02T12:39:23 < dongs> 3k units/year 3k eur 2016-10-02T12:39:24 < dongs> fuck off 2016-10-02T12:39:36 < dongs> probly easier to IDA trial.lib and remove watermark 2016-10-02T12:40:02 < Tectu> uGFX is USD 1650 unlimited devices & including all updates up to 3.0 2016-10-02T12:40:11 < Tectu> (which won't happen anytime soon) 2016-10-02T12:40:26 < Tectu> also, sores are open 2016-10-02T12:42:08 < dongs> hmm 2016-10-02T12:42:47 -!- Prutheus [~XPS@WB21-0110.STUDFB.UniBw-Muenchen.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T12:43:07 < Tectu> also, uGFX puts a lot more focus on modularity & flexibility 2016-10-02T12:43:47 < Tectu> touchGFX is a lot better on the marketing & "looking fancy" side, no doubt on that. uGFX can do that too, I just don't have any designing skills: https://www.facebook.com/DiscoverWorld.007/videos/1139105046127320/ 2016-10-02T12:45:00 < dongs> i the hell is that video 2016-10-02T12:45:05 < dongs> i expected jewgfx demo 2016-10-02T12:45:08 < dongs> not some gay facebook porn 2016-10-02T12:45:30 < Tectu> copy-paste fail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3lXrqpA4oQ 2016-10-02T12:45:59 < dongs> thats not too hard to do 2016-10-02T12:46:05 < dongs> i have similar shit right now in my own code haha 2016-10-02T12:46:11 < dongs> not using any special lib tho 2016-10-02T12:46:11 < Tectu> well, I lack the desining skill. This is how it looks when I make a gauge: https://community.ugfx.io/files/file/14-custom-dial-widget-example/ 2016-10-02T12:46:22 < dongs> rite 2016-10-02T12:51:23 -!- Prutheus [~XPS@WB21-0110.STUDFB.UniBw-Muenchen.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-02T12:52:16 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXrB7Y6gVN8 2016-10-02T12:53:26 < Tectu> time for the monthly check-up on TempleOS 2016-10-02T12:53:39 < BrainDamage> how much would hiring a graphic designer cost you? sounds like it could boost your sales quite a bit 2016-10-02T12:54:06 < BrainDamage> even if it's say 3k$, 2 extra licenses would pay it off 2016-10-02T12:54:48 < Tectu> that's actually what I am doing right now. Also new website. 2016-10-02T12:55:13 < Tectu> actually almost finished. 2016-10-02T13:00:08 < ReadErr> Laurenceb: http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/91195473/hello 2016-10-02T13:00:25 < ReadErr> or dongs if hes up for a troll m8 2016-10-02T13:02:57 < ReadErr> aww im banned from posting 2016-10-02T13:06:59 < Tectu> who the fuck tattoos a huge ass swastika on his fucking chest 2016-10-02T13:09:54 < ReadErr> a weev 2016-10-02T13:10:05 < dongs> fucker needs to go back to jail 2016-10-02T13:13:57 < upgrdman> Tectu, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYBjVTMUQY0 2016-10-02T13:14:19 < dongs> old 2016-10-02T13:18:10 < Tectu> holy shit :D 2016-10-02T13:18:38 < Tectu> "nobody wants to be the outer spoon all the time" :D 2016-10-02T13:19:00 < upgrdman> :) 2016-10-02T13:19:22 < Tectu> ahahah the smile at the end of the video 2016-10-02T13:19:28 < Tectu> gorgeous 2016-10-02T13:19:52 < dongs> lol wtf 2016-10-02T13:19:59 < dongs> apparently BD-XL-R is a thing 2016-10-02T13:20:00 < dongs> 100gb per disk 2016-10-02T13:20:17 < upgrdman> how much are those disks though 2016-10-02T13:20:24 < upgrdman> 4TB HDD is what $120 now 2016-10-02T13:20:26 < dongs> apparently media has been around since 2010(?) i had no idea 2016-10-02T13:20:38 < dongs> some random TDK taht c ame up is $45-ish 2016-10-02T13:20:46 < upgrdman> 45 per disk? lol 2016-10-02T13:20:48 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-02T13:21:10 < Tectu> the fuck are you talking about? 2016-10-02T13:21:19 < Tectu> oh, blue ray wizardry 2016-10-02T13:21:19 < upgrdman> might as well buy some 128GB sd cards then 2016-10-02T13:21:36 < Steffanx> 4TB is waaaay more than that in europe upgrdman :( 2016-10-02T13:21:43 < upgrdman> i even have a usb blu ray burner. never once burned a blu ray tho 2016-10-02T13:21:49 < upgrdman> Steffanx, :( 2016-10-02T13:21:50 < dongs> haha 2016-10-02T13:21:53 < BrainDamage> you can't even use them for backups because after 5-7years they get pitting 2016-10-02T13:21:56 < zyp> Steffanx, is it? 2016-10-02T13:22:22 < upgrdman> Steffanx, https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Portable-External-Storage-STDR4000100/dp/B00ZTRXFBA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1475403718&sr=8-1&keywords=4tb%2B%2Busb&th=1 2016-10-02T13:22:41 < dongs> upgrdman: isnt that 2.5" 2016-10-02T13:22:41 < Tectu> I see 160.- for a WD red 4TB here 2016-10-02T13:22:43 < BrainDamage> 120€ externalusb3 2016-10-02T13:22:51 < Steffanx> Ok its not as bad as i thought it was 2016-10-02T13:22:59 < upgrdman> and 8TB for $200 https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Desktop-External-Storage-STDT8000100/dp/B00R45V3SW/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1475403762&sr=8-3&keywords=8tb+hdd 2016-10-02T13:23:16 < upgrdman> dongs, ya 2016-10-02T13:23:20 < upgrdman> but works well 2016-10-02T13:23:23 < upgrdman> i have it 2016-10-02T13:23:30 < upgrdman> and the "FAST" version of it as well 2016-10-02T13:23:36 < upgrdman> both good. and FAST is well faster 2016-10-02T13:23:57 < dongs> well, shitgate, never gain 2016-10-02T13:23:58 < upgrdman> approx 70MBps and 120MBps respectively 2016-10-02T13:24:00 < dongs> again rather 2016-10-02T13:24:27 < zyp> upgrdman, that sounds slow 2016-10-02T13:24:41 < Tectu> I saw that one coming, Mr. 800 MB/s ^ 2016-10-02T13:24:51 < upgrdman> zyp, not bad for bulk storage 2016-10-02T13:24:58 < upgrdman> i have 1TB M.2 for executables 2016-10-02T13:25:06 < zyp> Tectu, eh, 800MB/s is only 50MB/s per disk on average 2016-10-02T13:25:17 < Tectu> upgrdman, some samsung 950? 2016-10-02T13:25:26 < upgrdman> 850 but ya 2016-10-02T13:25:29 < Tectu> I got a 1.2TB Intel 750 PCIe drive, very happy with that. 2016-10-02T13:25:33 < upgrdman> didnt wanna pay for 1TB 950 2016-10-02T13:25:45 < zyp> upgrdman, I didn't say it would be a problem, just that it's a weird thing to call them fast given that hard drives are usually faster 2016-10-02T13:26:31 < upgrdman> zyp, ok. maybe im out of touch with HDDs then. most of my >1TB drives have been 100MBps or less. maybe i was buying shit drives back in the day 2016-10-02T13:26:53 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B013JPLKQK thats same price i paid for external stuff about a year ago 2016-10-02T13:26:57 < dongs> now external is $180 2016-10-02T13:27:01 < zyp> IIRC I had some 1.5TB drives that did like 180MB/s 2016-10-02T13:27:45 < dongs> o wait external is same price 2016-10-02T13:27:56 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01BF6B48E/ 2016-10-02T13:28:12 < dongs> lol shitgate is only $130 2016-10-02T13:28:45 < Tectu> does one trust toshiba drives? 2016-10-02T13:29:17 < dongs> donno i have 2 raid arrays , 50tb with 4tb and 25tb with 5tb drives (raid6 + hotspares), no issues so far 2016-10-02T13:29:33 < Steffanx> They tend to be cheap. 2016-10-02T13:29:36 < Tectu> I only used WD and Seagate drives so far 2016-10-02T13:30:05 < Steffanx> At least i think they are often one of thr cheapest here. 2016-10-02T13:30:06 < upgrdman> dongs, whats the storage for? media center? 2016-10-02T13:30:14 < Tectu> 4chan mirror 2016-10-02T13:30:16 < dongs> upgrdman: one media, one esxi 2016-10-02T13:33:17 < ReadErr> the WD RE4 drives do 180MB/s easily 2016-10-02T13:34:09 < Tectu> RE4 are obsolete 2016-10-02T13:34:27 < ReadErr> or w/e the RE stuff is now 2016-10-02T13:36:17 < Tectu> I have a FreeNAS box with 4x 4TB WD Red drives. speed doesn't matter anymore, 1gb ethernet fucks everything 2016-10-02T13:36:21 < Steffanx> My 5TB wd blue even did 150 iirc. 2016-10-02T13:36:27 < Tectu> also 30GB of ARC 2016-10-02T13:36:30 < Steffanx> Which is only 5400rpm 2016-10-02T13:36:32 < dongs> shitnas boxes can keep up with gigabit ethernet? 2016-10-02T13:36:44 < dongs> i thought all those garbage lunix boxes could barely saturate 100mbit lan 2016-10-02T13:36:48 < ReadErr> freenas? easily 2016-10-02T13:36:53 < Tectu> dongs, uhm yeah, even your every-day synology can do that (at least the + models I had once) 2016-10-02T13:37:03 < ReadErr> network will be the limiting factor 2016-10-02T13:37:07 < Tectu> dongs, freenas is FreeBSD based, no linux involved 2016-10-02T13:37:23 < dongs> i dont run anything except windows server on NAS 2016-10-02T13:37:24 < dongs> so icant comment 2016-10-02T13:37:25 < ReadErr> damn you shouldnt have said the BSD word 2016-10-02T13:37:27 < Steffanx> "Deader than bsd" 2016-10-02T13:37:43 < ReadErr> the new OSX filesystem seems pretty dope 2016-10-02T13:37:59 < Tectu> MacOS * 2016-10-02T13:38:02 < ReadErr> like they are actually investing manpower into it 2016-10-02T13:38:33 < Tectu> aw fuck, I was giving wrong information 2016-10-02T13:38:40 < Tectu> I actually have 4x 6TB, not 4x 4TB 2016-10-02T13:38:42 < Tectu> not that it would matter, though. 2016-10-02T13:39:10 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T13:39:26 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-02T13:51:41 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.133.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-02T14:03:47 < dongs> tectu, how does your shit handle unicode 2016-10-02T14:04:02 < dongs> im trying to use this chink font rom but its beginning to feel its more of annoyance than a solution 2016-10-02T14:05:38 < Tectu> dongs, it handles unicode just fine. jpa code from the good old days. We have quite a few customers from chinasia. 2016-10-02T14:06:03 < dongs> ya what do you do for fonts and shit tho 2016-10-02T14:06:06 < Steffanx> I remember a demo with ?? Insr 2016-10-02T14:06:12 < Steffanx> Tead of ü 2016-10-02T14:06:19 < Steffanx> ;) 2016-10-02T14:06:43 < Tectu> Steffanx, that's some german dude that uses the built-in font that has been filtered for minimum binary size. Doesn't do äå®äóåíéþú crap 2016-10-02T14:07:03 < Tectu> dongs, you can use any TrueType font you can find on the interwebs, convert it and use it. 2016-10-02T14:07:10 < Tectu> dongs, https://community.ugfx.io/uploads/monthly_2016_02/ugfx_studio_fonts.png.6c69584c36f2486f9dd9968f073f219d.png 2016-10-02T14:07:18 < Steffanx> Isnt mcufont tiny? 2016-10-02T14:07:19 < dongs> 'use'? 2016-10-02T14:07:25 < dongs> unicode font is ~16megs 2016-10-02T14:07:44 < Tectu> the font converter allows you to filter for any number of character ranges before converting 2016-10-02T14:07:47 < dongs> i want a non-insane option of supporting CJK 2016-10-02T14:07:52 < dongs> which font converter? 2016-10-02T14:07:58 < Tectu> it's the one that jpa wrote 2016-10-02T14:08:07 < stvn> documents/junk/ 2016-10-02T14:08:17 < stvn> ;) 2016-10-02T14:08:20 < Tectu> dongs, http://fonts.ugfx.io 2016-10-02T14:08:42 < Tectu> dongs, you can run it locally too, of course. sources & binaries are part of the ugfx library repository/download 2016-10-02T14:09:06 < dongs> hmmmm 2016-10-02T14:09:31 < dongs> im not sure if thats gonna work 2016-10-02T14:09:41 < dongs> what is " rle font " 2016-10-02T14:09:48 < dongs> each char is compressed? 2016-10-02T14:10:15 < Tectu> regular good-old runtime-length-encoding 2016-10-02T14:11:10 < Tectu> dongs, just a sec... 2016-10-02T14:11:41 < Tectu> dongs, some dude ported fribidi to uGFX: https://community.ugfx.io/topic/288-support-rtl-language-for-ugfx/ 2016-10-02T14:11:58 < Tectu> dongs, I know taht it is used by quite a few people - appears to work well. But I never tried it myself 2016-10-02T14:12:03 < Tectu> dongs, not sure if that would help you. 2016-10-02T14:12:23 < Steffanx> gnu.. 2016-10-02T14:12:40 < Tectu> the built-in font engine doesn't do stuff like RTL (right-to-left) so some arabic customers decided to go that way. 2016-10-02T14:18:33 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-02T14:31:42 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.163.165] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T14:32:07 < dongs> Tectu: is font tool made for lunix 2016-10-02T14:32:22 < dongs> link to your sores or whatever 2016-10-02T14:32:27 < dongs> i would need something that can handle ranges 2016-10-02T14:33:12 < Tectu> dongs, yeah, it runs well on Windows, Linux and (Free)BSD 2016-10-02T14:33:14 < Tectu> also macOS 2016-10-02T14:33:17 < dongs> ... 2016-10-02T14:33:23 < dongs> how does it render truetype fonts then 2016-10-02T14:33:33 < dongs> https://bitbucket.org/Tectu/ugfx is this the sores? 2016-10-02T14:33:35 < Tectu> https://git.ugfx.io/uGFX/uGFX/src/master/tools/mcufontencoder 2016-10-02T14:33:55 < dongs> .cc .. .mingw32.. 2016-10-02T14:33:57 < dongs> the fuck? 2016-10-02T14:34:04 < Tectu> cygwin much 2016-10-02T14:34:11 < Tectu> works well though 2016-10-02T14:34:13 < dongs> does it build in visualstudio? 2016-10-02T14:34:41 < Tectu> afaik andrew built it in VS, yes. But I am not 100% sure. I'd have to ask. I just built it inside of cygwin 2016-10-02T14:34:50 < Tectu> dongs, the pre-build binaries should work just fine though. 2016-10-02T14:34:58 < dongs> tectu, does it support ranges? 2016-10-02T14:35:05 < dongs> i need to pull like 10 differnt ranges from unicode 2016-10-02T14:35:14 < dongs> CJK, hangul, jap trash, a couple compatibility pages 2016-10-02T14:35:29 < Tectu> dongs, yes. The online crap only does one filter range cuz I am too lazy to web frontend. the binary that you can run on your craptop allows to supply any number of filter ranges 2016-10-02T14:40:28 < dongs> mcufont.exe has stopped working 2016-10-02T14:40:30 < dongs> good job bro 2016-10-02T14:40:44 < dongs> what the fuck 2016-10-02T14:40:51 < dongs> why did it try to write font.dat into SAME FOLDER where the font is 2016-10-02T14:40:53 < dongs> instead of . ? 2016-10-02T14:41:23 < dongs> well, that didnt work either 2016-10-02T14:41:24 < dongs> now what. 2016-10-02T14:41:31 < Tectu> http://i.memecaptain.com/gend_images/fAu8Pg.png 2016-10-02T14:41:33 < dongs> mcufont import_ttf ARIALUNI.TTF 16 2016-10-02T14:41:48 < dongs> i dont even see whre i specify ranges 2016-10-02T14:41:52 -!- Laurenceb__ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T14:42:06 < Tectu> nah seriously, haven't gotten any complains about not working encoder for about a year now, and I know that at least three companies are in heavy use of it right now 2016-10-02T14:42:20 < Tectu> did you even bother to -h ? 2016-10-02T14:42:24 < dongs> doesnt look like your shit properly supports fonts wiht SBIT either 2016-10-02T14:42:26 < dongs> what the hell man 2016-10-02T14:42:54 < Tectu> nobody ever said that it would 2016-10-02T14:43:31 < Laurenceb__> pwnd 2016-10-02T14:44:04 < dongs> why teh shit is this stuff in C++ 2016-10-02T14:44:13 < stvn> [: 2016-10-02T14:44:37 < Laurenceb__> raging in this channel 2016-10-02T14:44:39 < Steffanx> out of your comfort zone much? 2016-10-02T14:46:00 < kakimir> someone give µGFX studio file I don't want to join aids 2016-10-02T14:46:33 < Tectu> ugfx studio is broken since 13 hours 46 minutes 2016-10-02T14:46:49 < Tectu> better don't bother until tomorrow morning 2016-10-02T14:47:21 -!- Jak_o_Shadows1 [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-02T14:47:52 < dongs> The FreeType source code bundle contains project files for various versions of Microsoft Visual C++ and Visual Studio for x64, Windows 32, and Windows CE. However, these files have been contributed and might be out of date, thus use them with care. 2016-10-02T14:47:56 < dongs> haha 2016-10-02T14:48:24 < Tectu> +1 for proper documentation. 2016-10-02T14:49:02 < dongs> redflag #1: freetype only comes in .tar.gz 2016-10-02T14:49:28 < Laurenceb__> raped https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Rape 2016-10-02T14:50:32 < Steffanx> Some old. 2016-10-02T14:51:14 < kakimir> how to protect high power device in car from high voltage transients? 2016-10-02T14:51:21 < kakimir> high power as pulling 40amps 2016-10-02T14:51:29 < Laurenceb__> https://i.reddituploads.com/293d9280b8b6487b98861da76865b6bd?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=09abd6277083c6b3d870f8af714d6aca 2016-10-02T14:52:14 < stvn> i heard there used to be stm32 chat 2016-10-02T14:52:25 < Tectu> can you please stop posting crap, Mr. Laurenceb__ ? 2016-10-02T14:52:39 < kakimir> stvn: do you know how to do stuff? 2016-10-02T14:53:14 < stvn> kakimir, i hope so 2016-10-02T14:53:18 < Steffanx> stvn, stm32 talk will never ever return here. All we'll get here is insults, crap and raging. 2016-10-02T14:53:31 < Steffanx> oh and kakimir immitating beaky. 2016-10-02T14:53:39 < Tectu> what is a beaky? 2016-10-02T14:54:00 < Steffanx> Beaky was a guy that asked semi-random questions all the time Tectu. 2016-10-02T14:54:16 < Tectu> meh 2016-10-02T14:54:38 < Steffanx> ethernet controlled smps \o/ 2016-10-02T14:55:31 < dongs> ok 2016-10-02T14:55:39 < dongs> everythin builds in vstudio except ft import which i havent tried 2016-10-02T14:56:00 < dongs> for some weird reason your win32 bin has zlib but I dont see where it uses zlib? 2016-10-02T15:00:06 < dongs> k, ft_import builds too 2016-10-02T15:00:33 < kakimir> do balance chargers have low side sensing for battery? 2016-10-02T15:01:37 < dongs> mcufont.vcxproj -> F:\dev\mcufont\mcufont\Debug\mcufont.exe 2016-10-02T15:01:37 < dongs> nice 2016-10-02T15:01:40 < dongs> now i get to see why it crashes 2016-10-02T15:05:37 < Thorn> finally a high quality copy of art of electronics 3rd ed on tpb 2016-10-02T15:05:50 < stvn> Thorn, did you print it 2016-10-02T15:05:59 < Thorn> no 2016-10-02T15:06:03 < stvn> you suck 2016-10-02T15:06:39 < dongs> wat the hell 2016-10-02T15:06:41 < Thorn> but the text is OCRd so should print well 2016-10-02T15:07:00 < stvn> whip it out Thorn 2016-10-02T15:07:29 < dongs> tectu, has anyone told you that writing lots of code on one line doenst make it faster 2016-10-02T15:08:02 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T15:08:11 < Tectu> dongs, again: that is not tectu code, it's jpa- code 2016-10-02T15:08:28 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d6b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T15:08:59 < dongs> _FT_Face face(lib, data); dying here, data is 26 bytes of shit for some unknown reason 2016-10-02T15:10:46 < dongs> wait what 2016-10-02T15:11:17 -!- piper [~user@121-216-234-46.wifi4all.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-02T15:12:02 < dongs> wow, declaring shit in middle of scope is REALLY pissing me off 2016-10-02T15:12:17 < dongs> i didnt notice readfile() shit because I saw stuff like _FT_Face blah and thought shit before it was all declarations too 2016-10-02T15:12:20 < dongs> shit code is shit 2016-10-02T15:12:25 < dongs> jpa-: your C++ sucks bro 2016-10-02T15:12:26 < Thorn> standard c++ practice 2016-10-02T15:12:31 < dongs> standard FAGGOT practice more liek 2016-10-02T15:12:36 < Tectu> dongs, this is not 1989 C 2016-10-02T15:12:58 < dongs> can std::aidsvector support 26megs of data in it? 2016-10-02T15:12:58 < Laurenceb__> attn dongs http://66.media.tumblr.com/0eefa2a842545284f25723087f158f37/tumblr_o3yauv1mgC1uuunpzo1_1280.jpg 2016-10-02T15:13:28 < dongs> and ffs why are you using CHAR unstead of uint_8 for storing BINARY data?! 2016-10-02T15:13:41 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Tectu] by ChanServ 2016-10-02T15:13:44 -!- mode/##stm32 [+q *!*@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] by Tectu 2016-10-02T15:13:45 < Steffanx> \o/ 2016-10-02T15:13:47 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Tectu] by ChanServ 2016-10-02T15:14:02 < dongs> i think on win32 i should somehow tell std::ifstream to use binary open 2016-10-02T15:14:28 < dongs> std::ifstream infile(src, std::ios::binary); 2016-10-02T15:14:30 < dongs> lets see. 2016-10-02T15:14:32 < Thorn> ios::binary 2016-10-02T15:14:35 < Thorn> or something 2016-10-02T15:15:07 < dongs> yes 2016-10-02T15:15:08 < dongs> works now 2016-10-02T15:15:36 -!- Jak_o_Shadows1 [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T15:15:44 < Thorn> this is actually the 7th printing with corrections too 2016-10-02T15:15:54 < dongs> tectu, you should get updated win32 binary for mcufont. 2016-10-02T15:15:56 < dongs> your current one is shit 2016-10-02T15:16:13 < Tectu> dongs, I'm happy to improve whatever needs to be improved. 2016-10-02T15:16:28 < dongs> Tectu: main.cc std::ifstream infile(src, std::ios::binary); 2016-10-02T15:16:31 < dongs> for startersr 2016-10-02T15:16:46 < dongs> and the fact that your binary is built with cygwin or some other shit and has extra droppings of freetype/zlib dlls that arent needed 2016-10-02T15:17:00 < dongs> mcufont.exe still running 2016-10-02T15:17:05 < Tectu> dongs, I don't have VS installed. If you can contribute a binary that would be appreciated. 2016-10-02T15:17:52 < dongs> man at least SOME attempt at showing progress would have been great 2016-10-02T15:17:53 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-02T15:18:14 < dongs> still running 2016-10-02T15:18:30 < Tectu> can easily take up to a minute or two depending on what you are doing 2016-10-02T15:18:41 < dongs> oh in this case this is gonna take years 2016-10-02T15:18:42 < PaulFertser> An alternative way of easily building a native windows binary would be using MSYS2 I'd say. 2016-10-02T15:18:47 < dongs> .. no 2016-10-02T15:18:57 < dongs> PaulFertser: i already have it built and running wiht vstudio thank you 2016-10-02T15:18:59 < PaulFertser> without VS, that is. 2016-10-02T15:19:02 < Tectu> PaulFertser, I would love to use MSYS2, the only reason why I don't is because ln -s doesn't work 2016-10-02T15:19:03 < dongs> msys is about as far as it gets from native 2016-10-02T15:19:19 < Thorn> https://www.visualstudio.com/dev-essentials/ <-- free visual studio and lots of other stuff, some useful 2016-10-02T15:19:31 < Tectu> yeah but taht stuff is like 25 GB 2016-10-02T15:19:33 < PaulFertser> dongs: msys2 can build both "cygwin-style" binaries and native 2016-10-02T15:19:39 < Steffanx> So get visual studio 2015 community tectu 2016-10-02T15:19:42 < Steffanx> Its free. 2016-10-02T15:19:51 < Steffanx> And works well 2016-10-02T15:19:53 < Tectu> I know, just didn't have the need for it so far 2016-10-02T15:20:00 < Tectu> and it's too heavy to carry it around in a VM 2016-10-02T15:20:09 < Steffanx> No its not 2016-10-02T15:20:24 < Thorn> the compiler is behind gcc (they admin it themselves) but the debugger is excellent 2016-10-02T15:20:26 < Tectu> vanilla VS community is about 8 GB afaik 2016-10-02T15:20:45 < Steffanx> So?.. 2016-10-02T15:20:56 < Thorn> *admit 2016-10-02T15:21:16 < dongs> Tectu: mcufont.exe, 940k and requires no other dlls to run 2016-10-02T15:21:33 < dongs> vs 1.5megs of shit in your folder with some gcc libs and junk 2016-10-02T15:22:30 < stvn> wolfenstein 3c 2016-10-02T15:22:32 < stvn> *d 2016-10-02T15:23:06 < Tectu> dongs, afk phone 2016-10-02T15:26:46 < dongs> oh hah 2016-10-02T15:27:00 < dongs> ttf import isnt the slowest part, haha 2016-10-02T15:27:14 < dongs> Importing ARIALUNI.TTF to ARIALUNI16bw.dat 2016-10-02T15:27:15 < dongs> ....................................... 2016-10-02T15:27:18 < dongs> eahc . = 1k chars 2016-10-02T15:28:46 < dongs> Done: 38356 unique glyphs. 2016-10-02T15:34:42 < Tectu> dongs, gotta go, will be back in like two hours or something like that. would like to get that binary. 2016-10-02T15:34:52 < dongs> cool 2016-10-02T15:34:56 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-02T15:40:12 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: for those playing along at home, this is the segment that i like to call bullshit... 'cause we're in like flynn] 2016-10-02T15:45:33 -!- piper [~user@121-216-234-46.wifi4all.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T15:50:00 -!- piper [~user@121-216-234-46.wifi4all.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-02T15:56:28 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T16:02:27 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-02T16:03:14 -!- Jak_o_Shadows1 [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-02T16:07:24 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T16:20:15 < dongs> Tectu: dongs 2016-10-02T16:20:42 < dongs> does uGFX have a .ico file 2016-10-02T16:21:09 < dongs> your site doesnt even have a favicon.ico :( 2016-10-02T16:32:32 < dongs> looks like the biggest overhead is eliminate_duplicates() 2016-10-02T16:32:34 < dongs> in that font thing 2016-10-02T16:33:33 < dongs> yep 2016-10-02T16:33:35 < dongs> everything else is < 1s 2016-10-02T16:33:50 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/Z5FPKs68.html 2016-10-02T16:34:38 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eECdoj8vkD8 whoa 2016-10-02T16:37:21 < dongs> lol eliminate_duplicates() is naive as fuck 2016-10-02T16:37:24 < dongs> i guess tahts why its slow 2016-10-02T16:37:40 < dongs> and std::garbage not working well with 30+megs of data in array probly not helping 2016-10-02T16:44:28 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T16:55:47 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-02T16:57:05 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T16:59:04 < dongs> how the hell do I make a pull request to tectu's ugly code 2016-10-02T17:03:00 -!- mra90 [~Martin@brv82.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T17:04:32 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T17:08:57 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-02T17:14:42 < Tectu> dongs, re in 15min 2016-10-02T17:14:48 < dongs> kk 2016-10-02T17:17:29 < Tectu> dongs, #ugfx 2016-10-02T17:18:55 < dongs> another dead channel to join?!?! 2016-10-02T17:21:10 < PeterM> hey, its not my fault you never come to ##stm32withoutjews 2016-10-02T17:25:00 < dongs> haha 2016-10-02T17:25:32 < Tectu> dongs heaven 2016-10-02T17:33:54 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T17:35:52 -!- wanderman [~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T17:44:05 < Steffanx> englishman, i wonder how long that will take. Now some people are going to complain again. 2016-10-02T17:44:31 < Steffanx> one of those company started to use some libs they weren't allowed to use. Or weren't given permission and stuff. 2016-10-02T17:44:52 < Steffanx> dont know the details as i didnt really care. 2016-10-02T17:45:56 < Steffanx> https://arduinohistory.github.io/ yay, wiring was a real master thesis project. 2016-10-02T17:48:26 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-02T17:48:56 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T18:09:30 -!- Laurenceb__ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-02T18:16:06 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.163.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-02T18:23:02 < jpa-> dongs: in C++ if one wants to do RAII, then declaring new objects in middle of the scope is the most reasonable way to do it 2016-10-02T18:23:33 < jpa-> https://github.com/mcufont/mcufont/blob/master/encoder/freetype_import.cc#L77 here putting a new {} for lines 80 onwards would look just silly IMO 2016-10-02T18:23:34 < dongs> pfft 2016-10-02T18:23:46 < dongs> errr no 2016-10-02T18:24:01 < dongs> its just dumb, like here you're sitting initializing vars 2016-10-02T18:24:06 < dongs> then suddenly sneak in a readfile() 2016-10-02T18:24:08 < dongs> then more vars 2016-10-02T18:24:24 < jpa-> what alternative do you propose? the _FT_Face constructor needs the data to be read already 2016-10-02T18:24:40 < dongs> do it in some less insane way? i donno 2016-10-02T18:24:58 < dongs> add a .load() or something to ft_face? 2016-10-02T18:25:18 < dongs> btw, did you see my comment about eliminate_duplicates 2016-10-02T18:25:23 < dongs> that shit takes loooooooooooong time. 2016-10-02T18:26:22 < jpa-> yeah, mcufont did what i needed it to do and then i got lazy about improving it 2016-10-02T18:26:28 < zyp> wtf is the benefit of declaring all the variables in the top of the function? 2016-10-02T18:26:38 < jpa-> zyp: avoids confusing dongs? 2016-10-02T18:26:40 < dongs> the fact that you can look at the fucking top and see what shit is gonna be used 2016-10-02T18:26:41 < zyp> that just makes shit more unreadable 2016-10-02T18:26:45 < dongs> no it doesnt 2016-10-02T18:26:50 < dongs> it also makes you think 2016-10-02T18:26:52 < Tectu> yes it does 2016-10-02T18:26:53 < Tectu> no 2016-10-02T18:26:54 < dongs> whether you really need that variable or not 2016-10-02T18:27:06 < dongs> if you dont thi9nk, you just litter the function with shit everywhere 2016-10-02T18:27:20 < zyp> I see it as the opposite way around 2016-10-02T18:27:23 < jpa-> variables are free 2016-10-02T18:27:29 < jpa-> why not use them whenever you feel like it 2016-10-02T18:27:46 < zyp> if you have declarations a different place than where the variables are used, it's easy to forget to remove the declarations when you don't need the shit anymore 2016-10-02T18:28:05 < dongs> zyp, compiler warnings are a thing 2016-10-02T18:28:09 < dongs> i think even gcc has that one. 2016-10-02T18:28:20 < zyp> IMO stuff that belongs together should be located together 2016-10-02T18:28:37 < zyp> not mixed declarations for everything here and then a bunch of shit using that elsewhere 2016-10-02T18:28:45 < dongs> all the code i've seen with shit mixed in the middle has always been complete aids 2016-10-02T18:29:13 < Tectu> is there anything in life that makes you happy? 2016-10-02T18:29:41 < zyp> I mean, declaring everything at the top doesn't even work if you're doing stuff like references 2016-10-02T18:29:45 < jpa-> all the code i've seen has always been complete aids 2016-10-02T18:29:54 < zyp> because references _must_ be defined when they are declared 2016-10-02T18:29:55 < dongs> heh 2016-10-02T18:30:13 < jpa-> stuff like references, constructors, RAII, or similar C++ crap that no-one should use! 2016-10-02T18:30:24 < dongs> ^ this guy gets it 2016-10-02T18:30:31 < dongs> just dont use C++ crap at all 2016-10-02T18:30:33 < dongs> problem solved 2016-10-02T18:30:40 < Tectu> .init() much, Mr. jpa- ? 2016-10-02T18:30:57 < jpa-> i used to make fun of people for writing C like it is 1989.. but i never knew that some people want us to write C++ like it is 1989 also 2016-10-02T18:31:04 < dongs> anyway, im not even sure the .dat file is very good either 2016-10-02T18:31:07 < dongs> looks kinda fucked up 2016-10-02T18:31:17 < jpa-> Tectu: what is this . you are talking about? 2016-10-02T18:31:52 < jpa-> if you are looking at mcufont and expecting it to be very good, then you are looking at a wrong place :P 2016-10-02T18:31:55 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/MoHBPV51.html 2016-10-02T18:31:57 < dongs> is this normal? 2016-10-02T18:32:15 < jpa-> seems normal 2016-10-02T18:32:19 < dongs> whats all teh zeros for? 2016-10-02T18:32:26 < dongs> i did a 16x16 arialunicode 2016-10-02T18:32:27 < jpa-> it's the pixel data for the glyph 2016-10-02T18:32:33 < Tectu> jpa-, Well you said that nobody should use constructors. I guess you talk about having empty constructors and then a .init() method? 2016-10-02T18:32:34 < dongs> is each char a bit or byte 2016-10-02T18:32:44 < dongs> Tectu: pretty sure he was trolling 2016-10-02T18:32:49 < jpa-> Tectu: .. yes, trolling 2016-10-02T18:32:54 < Tectu> ah, good. 2016-10-02T18:33:19 < jpa-> i thought about putting in but then i thought that no-one except Tectu could misunderstand anyway 2016-10-02T18:33:28 < Tectu> :D 2016-10-02T18:33:43 < zyp> Tectu, for shit that's going to be instanced as global objects, that might be a reasonable pattern 2016-10-02T18:33:55 < zyp> to get stuff set up in a reasonable order 2016-10-02T18:34:06 < zyp> (because global constructors are run before main()) 2016-10-02T18:34:21 < jpa-> yeah, sometimes separate .init() makes sense 2016-10-02T18:34:25 < jpa-> especially if it could fail 2016-10-02T18:38:41 < Thorn> global static constructors run in an unspecified order 2016-10-02T18:40:05 < jpa-> in my embedded code, global static constructors usually don't run, and if they do they do it only by accident and with the rest of system in crazy state 2016-10-02T18:41:18 < dongs> err? 2016-10-02T18:41:33 < dongs> is that a gcc thing 2016-10-02T18:41:40 < jpa-> what? 2016-10-02T18:41:56 < dongs> static constructor shit not running 2016-10-02T18:42:02 < dongs> isnt that done in _main asm or wahtever 2016-10-02T18:42:07 < Thorn> it's a startup code thing 2016-10-02T18:42:11 < dongs> right 2016-10-02T18:42:33 < jpa-> as if i would use a premade working startup code 2016-10-02T18:43:07 < Thorn> if it correectly handles .init_array then they will run 2016-10-02T18:43:09 < dongs> right didnt think of that 2016-10-02T18:43:50 < aandrew> dongs: you've captured composite video before with STM32. what did you use to digitize it? 2016-10-02T18:44:13 < dongs> i didnt, i took sync and dicked gpio pin to pull video to white/black/gray 2016-10-02T18:44:25 < dongs> when it reached a pixel I needed 2016-10-02T18:45:31 < aandrew> dongs: ah strictly overlay then 2016-10-02T18:46:30 < aandrew> I think I'm going to dick around with a TW9910 type thing 2016-10-02T18:46:59 < aandrew> I wonder if a TW9910 breakout exists that has the same FFC connector and pinout that the various STM32 devboards have 2016-10-02T18:47:30 < dongs> no 2016-10-02T18:47:36 < dongs> also TW9910 sounds ancient as fuck 2016-10-02T18:48:04 < dongs> just use ADI stuff there's a ton of cvbs -> BT868 shit 2016-10-02T18:48:48 < dongs> why doyou need video in stm32 2016-10-02T18:49:21 < aandrew> side project 2016-10-02T18:49:54 < aandrew> I was looking at TI (all are not recommended for new design) and analog 2016-10-02T18:50:01 < aandrew> a lot of the analog stuff is multi-input 2016-10-02T18:50:25 < dongs> but actually available 2016-10-02T18:50:28 < dongs> and you dont have to hookup multi inputs 2016-10-02T18:51:03 < jpa-> isn't STM32 ADC fast enough for composite video? 2016-10-02T18:51:13 < aandrew> don't want to fuck aroudn with that 2016-10-02T18:51:26 < aandrew> DCMI is there and DMAable 2016-10-02T18:51:30 < jpa-> though why not digital, if it is coming from camera 2016-10-02T18:52:15 < Thorn> http://stackoverflow.com/a/15056330/1092084 2016-10-02T18:54:15 < aandrew> jpa-: yes, true 2016-10-02T18:54:31 < aandrew> I'd rather not fuck around with trying to decode colour composite image 2016-10-02T18:54:38 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T18:54:49 < Rob235> what's up guys 2016-10-02T18:56:53 < Tectu> raging @ git server 2016-10-02T18:57:15 < Rob235> funnn, what's going up 2016-10-02T18:57:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-02T19:03:37 < Rob235> uGFX? 2016-10-02T19:04:24 < Thorn> ughFX 2016-10-02T19:04:39 < BrainDamage> uguuFX 2016-10-02T19:04:53 < BrainDamage> gotta keep it kawaii 2016-10-02T19:05:05 < Tectu> more like buuhgfx 2016-10-02T19:05:22 < dongs> haha @ BrainDamage 2016-10-02T19:05:25 < Rob235> having troubles 2016-10-02T19:05:53 < Rob235> or fixing troubles 2016-10-02T19:05:56 < Rob235> fixed* 2016-10-02T19:05:59 -!- mra90 [~Martin@brv82.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-02T19:07:35 -!- bugzc [~1@bas1-newmarket85-3096616657.dsl.bell.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T19:07:38 < Rob235> this last week I've been saying I'm going to do some work and it hasn't happened... I gotta stop slackin. add second pid loop or sdcard reader.... 2016-10-02T19:07:43 -!- bugzc [~1@bas1-newmarket85-3096616657.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-02T19:07:43 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T19:08:13 < PeterM> V 2016-10-02T19:08:15 < PeterM> http://i.imgur.com/ByjRncy.jpg 2016-10-02T19:08:34 < Rob235> its control not shift :) 2016-10-02T19:08:40 < Tectu> lol that ^ 2016-10-02T19:09:19 < Rob235> Tectu: I'm gonna use your library for my vape if I ever get around to it 2016-10-02T19:09:28 < Tectu> Rob235, ok :) 2016-10-02T19:10:17 < dongs> opensores vape 2016-10-02T19:10:38 < dongs> just use a pfet to short 80C lipo into like 0.5ohm coil 2016-10-02T19:10:44 < dongs> dont even bother pwm 2016-10-02T19:11:11 < Rob235> I'm using a dna200, most of the work is done for me, I just wanted to try adding a touch screen UI for fun 2016-10-02T19:12:02 < PeterM> dude, didnt you know, next gen vape use quartz and ultrasonic hv to atomize shit 2016-10-02T19:12:23 < PeterM> because you want a few 100v almost in your mouth right 2016-10-02T19:12:52 < Rob235> riiiight 2016-10-02T19:13:08 < PeterM> well theres no coil needed 2016-10-02T19:13:12 < PeterM> no burning or antyhing 2016-10-02T19:13:22 < PeterM> just ultrasonic atomization 2016-10-02T19:13:39 < Rob235> sounds cold, i like a warm vape, or does the vibration warm it up 2016-10-02T19:13:45 < Rob235> :) 2016-10-02T19:14:21 < PeterM> it will warm it but not set it on fire 2016-10-02T19:18:32 < aandrew> hm, ugfx doesn't look like shit 2016-10-02T19:18:49 < aandrew> lol ugay 2016-10-02T19:19:06 < Rob235> does ugfx do touch screen stuff? like adding buttons? or do I add a button with ugfx and use my own touchscreen code 2016-10-02T19:19:10 < aandrew> everyone knows true vapers disable their PWM 2016-10-02T19:19:16 < aandrew> they would vape using 220 if they could 2016-10-02T19:19:38 < aandrew> Rob235: the demos on the ugfx site suggest so, yes 2016-10-02T19:19:47 < Rob235> ahh didnt check there 2016-10-02T19:20:18 < aandrew> http://ugfx.io/features.html shows touch (resistive and capacitive) 2016-10-02T19:20:30 < Rob235> nice 2016-10-02T19:22:04 < Rob235> and I vape at less than 4V btw :) 2016-10-02T19:22:30 < dongs> youre missing out 2016-10-02T19:23:17 < Rob235> stainless steel in temp control at 47W which shows 14A so voltage must be around 3.5V 2016-10-02T19:23:45 < Rob235> anyway, enough vape talk 2016-10-02T19:40:25 -!- elektrinis-hme [~circuit@78.60.169.125] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T19:40:57 -!- elektrinis-hme [~circuit@78.60.169.125] has left ##stm32 [] 2016-10-02T19:41:54 < dongs> http://item.ebay.com/291867072166 2016-10-02T19:41:55 < dongs> cute 2016-10-02T19:45:56 < aandrew> that is 2016-10-02T19:46:05 < aandrew> wonder how it actually works in real lfie 2016-10-02T19:46:14 < aandrew> for $40 might be worth trying it to see 2016-10-02T19:46:24 < dongs> even has cv/cc modes. 2016-10-02T19:46:26 < dongs> and shit. 2016-10-02T19:46:26 < PeterM> ican tellyou right now that toroid is gonna get awefully hot 2016-10-02T19:46:53 < PeterM> although depends on that fan 2016-10-02T19:47:14 < PeterM> i CAN tell you though that thing will cook the input caps in no time. 2016-10-02T19:47:18 < aandrew> be even better if the controller source was availbale 2016-10-02T19:47:30 < aandrew> yeah, not a lot of capacitance there 2016-10-02T19:48:08 < PeterM> not that 2016-10-02T19:48:17 < PeterM> they'll be chink brand not low esr caps 2016-10-02T19:50:59 < Thorn> shunt each by a ceramic between the terminals 2016-10-02T19:52:08 < PeterM> you'll still cook em 2016-10-02T20:06:13 -!- I-Wish [~I-Wish@85.254.77.58] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T20:07:39 < Rob235> how does reddit work 2016-10-02T20:08:09 < BrainDamage> it's a series of tubes 2016-10-02T20:08:31 < Rob235> what are the points and why do you have to wait 10 min between comments 2016-10-02T20:09:34 < Rob235> so if a number next to one of my posts goes down its just cause some people downvoted it? 2016-10-02T20:10:12 < Rob235> ok 2016-10-02T20:10:45 < Rob235> I dont plan on using it anymore, just wanted to build up my view count 2016-10-02T20:14:16 < Rob235> ugh snow... I'm moving to jaimaica 2016-10-02T20:14:23 < Rob235> or florida or something 2016-10-02T20:14:45 < Rob235> break your hip old man? 2016-10-02T20:15:45 < Rob235> ouch 2016-10-02T20:16:07 < Rob235> especially in the cold, everything hurts 100x more 2016-10-02T20:17:38 < Rob235> buy some tennis rackets and make some shoes 2016-10-02T20:17:47 < Rob235> ehh thats more for snow then ice 2016-10-02T20:17:58 < Rob235> put spikes on bottom of racket :) 2016-10-02T20:18:23 < Rob235> Ive seen that online 2016-10-02T20:18:25 < Rob235> heated driveway 2016-10-02T20:19:40 < Rob235> yea, I'm gonna be a renter for a while so we'll see whats available in the hopefully not too distant future 2016-10-02T20:20:31 < Rob235> Its tough for me, I'm a 6'5 pole, I don't have a low center of mass at all 2016-10-02T20:23:37 < Rob235> I'd still want at least some ventilation... I don't know enough about it but I know they are mainly used for like garages and stuff 2016-10-02T20:24:18 < Rob235> I see, they run off diesel or kerosene right? 2016-10-02T20:24:23 < Rob235> or am I thinking of a diff product 2016-10-02T20:24:41 < Rob235> ohhh 2016-10-02T20:26:03 < zyp> guy I know managed to blow up his house with a propane heater 2016-10-02T20:26:25 < Rob235> I have an electric heater and if I need to take a shit or something I just run the shower on hottest and the room is nice and toasty :) 2016-10-02T20:26:49 < zyp> got a leak, then something ignited it and it blew out a wall 2016-10-02T20:26:57 < Rob235> and the building has free oil/radiator heating but its not enough 2016-10-02T20:28:20 < Rob235> http://rotorbuilds.com/image.php?w=2000&url=/pictures/f_1144_niI7f0oLsS4SDF5mDXZ1YWF6D.jpg 2016-10-02T20:28:24 < Rob235> thats my heater in the top right :) 2016-10-02T20:28:28 < Rob235> nothin special 2016-10-02T20:42:24 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-02T20:43:00 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T20:44:11 -!- wanderman [~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-02T20:45:31 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T20:48:59 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:426:a902:efac:7a38] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-02T20:53:05 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2016-10-02T20:53:38 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T20:53:58 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.163.229] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T21:07:59 < Steffanx> The heater on the left is no heater Rob235? 2016-10-02T21:08:19 < Steffanx> looks like you life in some very old house Rob235? 2016-10-02T21:08:30 < Steffanx> *live 2016-10-02T21:08:45 < Rob235> yea the left is the radiator that the place supplies heat for free but they don't usually have it on high enough 2016-10-02T21:08:57 < Rob235> yea its a hotel from a hundred years ago that was turned into apartments 2016-10-02T21:09:30 < Rob235> its a small crappy apartment but I like the area 2016-10-02T21:10:10 < Rob235> thats why you always see pictures of stuff on my bed, I don't have room for a workspace heh 2016-10-02T21:14:42 < Steffanx> :) 2016-10-02T21:16:07 < LeelooMinai> It's that copter really big or it only looks like that? :) 2016-10-02T21:18:36 < Rob235> its 690mm from motor to opposite motor 2016-10-02T21:18:54 < LeelooMinai> lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l789l6np-qA 2016-10-02T21:19:51 < Rob235> so you tell me, is it really big? 2016-10-02T21:20:16 < LeelooMinai> Not a copter expert, but that's big too me, yes:) 2016-10-02T21:20:41 < Rob235> yea I think its pretty big, especially compared to a racing quad 2016-10-02T21:20:55 < Rob235> propellers are 13" 2016-10-02T21:21:04 < LeelooMinai> Right, that's huge 2016-10-02T21:21:14 < LeelooMinai> What is it for? :p 2016-10-02T21:21:26 < Rob235> fun mostly 2016-10-02T21:21:45 < LeelooMinai> I thought you want to lift something heavy... 2016-10-02T21:22:16 < Rob235> I wanted to learn how to work with hardware (computer science major here) and multicopters got my interest so I figured maybe I could put it on my resume and have a cool project also 2016-10-02T21:23:01 < LeelooMinai> Would be impressive, sans eveyone seems to be making them... 2016-10-02T21:23:37 < Rob235> well building one isn't the impressive part, its writing the software 2016-10-02T21:23:57 < LeelooMinai> Right 2016-10-02T21:24:50 < Rob235> I've been slacking since I got it flying though. still needs tons of work but I'm being lazy 2016-10-02T21:31:34 < ReadErr> so you tell me, is it really big? 2016-10-02T21:31:36 < ReadErr> tehehehhehe 2016-10-02T21:32:20 < Rob235> bend over and find out 2016-10-02T21:33:27 < Rob235> too far? 2016-10-02T21:33:48 < Rob235> its |-------------------| this big 2016-10-02T21:34:12 < Rob235> can you see the desperation in my procrastination? 2016-10-02T21:44:40 < Rob235> pid loops 2016-10-02T21:46:41 < Rob235> brb 2016-10-02T21:46:44 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-02T21:56:03 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T21:59:09 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-daeknzxjfcregyrw] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-02T22:05:02 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T22:06:10 < Rob235> there we go, vmware fusion working again 2016-10-02T22:06:26 < Steffanx> Upgraded? 2016-10-02T22:06:57 < Steffanx> To 8.5? 2016-10-02T22:10:17 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-orxbfnklenoptvxd] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T22:17:37 < Rob235> no not yet 2016-10-02T22:17:52 < Rob235> had to boot into windows without vmware to do some updates 2016-10-02T22:18:05 < Rob235> now its working 2016-10-02T22:18:30 < Rob235> 8.5 probably would have solved that issue 2016-10-02T22:18:35 < Rob235> but oh well 2016-10-02T22:20:19 < Steffanx> And you paid for vmware ofcourse? 2016-10-02T22:24:29 < aandrew> I did 2016-10-02T22:24:33 < aandrew> it rocks 2016-10-02T22:24:41 < Steffanx> I did too 2016-10-02T22:24:59 < Steffanx> Until they started this new osx pay us again policy 2016-10-02T22:31:14 < Steffanx> Nice. 2016-10-02T22:35:38 < upgrdman> art http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160929140014-11-week-in-photos-0930-super-169.jpg 2016-10-02T22:35:39 < Steffanx> If i would like to run it would be a nice place for me too 2016-10-02T22:36:17 < Steffanx> Youre getting on par with laurenceb. 2016-10-02T22:36:25 < Steffanx> And no that is not a compliment 2016-10-02T22:36:41 < upgrdman> R2COM, fuck if i know lol 2016-10-02T22:37:09 < Steffanx> Its art.. 2016-10-02T22:37:47 < Steffanx> Who says the hands are hers 2016-10-02T22:37:59 < Steffanx> Maybe they are supposed to be yours 2016-10-02T22:38:24 < ReadErr> http://slickdeals.net/f/9155587-private-internet-access-vpn-1-year-for-31-95-2-66-m# 2016-10-02T22:38:27 < ReadErr> respamming 2016-10-02T22:38:37 < ReadErr> pretty solid deal if you need a vee pee en 2016-10-02T22:39:03 < PaulFertser> That R2COM's place looks very similar to what I see nearby, heh. 2016-10-02T22:39:24 < Rob235> what is behind her head? 2016-10-02T22:39:43 < ReadErr> when a man and a woman... 2016-10-02T22:39:49 < Steffanx> Damn. Why i even discuss this silly piece of "art" 2016-10-02T22:40:01 < Rob235> just a slit like what is shown or is there a butthole :) 2016-10-02T22:41:29 < Steffanx> Such gentlemen 2016-10-02T22:41:38 < ReadErr> http://orig07.deviantart.net/2969/f/2013/062/b/f/bill_clinton_the_lady_killer_by_sharpwriter-d5wx11h.jpg 2016-10-02T22:41:43 < ReadErr> realest art 2016-10-02T22:42:03 * LeelooMinai imagines that knight walking sideways the stairs on a tower with those "shoes" to rescue the women. 2016-10-02T22:42:12 < PaulFertser> R2COM: haven't noticed anything of that there. Some runners, yes, some cyclists, yes. Folks flat skiing, yes. Hobos, no. 2016-10-02T22:42:17 < LeelooMinai> Would look pretty stupid:) 2016-10-02T22:42:43 < LeelooMinai> Also, I doubt walking down the stairs with the woman would work:p 2016-10-02T22:43:08 < PaulFertser> R2COM: http://www.bitza-sport.ru/upload/iblock/669/669d3f829e26ee13d1ce1bd7387697ba.jpg 2016-10-02T22:43:43 < LeelooMinai> Looks pretty desperate 2016-10-02T22:44:19 < LeelooMinai> I mean the athlete 2016-10-02T22:50:23 < Steffanx> Who knows. 2016-10-02T22:56:02 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-d6b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T22:56:02 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d6b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-02T22:57:21 < upgrdman> lol https://www.instagram.com/p/BITnxFOAf2q/ 2016-10-02T22:57:59 < Rob235> haha 2016-10-02T22:58:27 < Steffanx> And one still uploads.. Why would you upload yourself doing this 2016-10-02T22:58:58 < kakimir> because megaviews 2016-10-02T22:59:02 < Rob235> what was she even trying to do? 2016-10-02T22:59:23 < kakimir> attention 2016-10-02T23:02:11 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T23:08:15 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T23:10:46 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-02T23:15:09 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-02T23:15:30 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T23:17:46 < BrokenCog> R2COM: and the answer was 42? 2016-10-02T23:18:15 < LeelooMinai> No, he is still synthesizing code for it. 2016-10-02T23:18:51 < LeelooMinai> They say he will finish in 2018 2016-10-02T23:20:22 < BrokenCog> so, question: where can I find the linux image which emcraft shipped the STM32F746G-Discovery with? I tried building their BSP linux image, but it's nowhere near the same ... I want to be able to sell the board legit with factory image. 2016-10-02T23:27:49 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2016-10-02T23:47:00 -!- Laurenceb__ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T23:51:00 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d6b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T23:51:15 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-d6b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-02T23:51:16 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-d6b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-02T23:51:16 -!- sterna2 [~Adium@c-d6b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T23:54:45 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T23:55:23 < LeelooMinai> BrokenCog: Cannot you just download it from their page? http://www.emcraft.com/products/503#software 2016-10-02T23:55:38 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-02T23:56:19 < LeelooMinai> Holy crap the music Canadians listen too:/ 2016-10-02T23:56:44 * LeelooMinai stuffs cotton pads into the ears 2016-10-02T23:57:17 < kakimir> musics? 2016-10-02T23:57:19 < kakimir> where? 2016-10-02T23:57:42 < LeelooMinai> In Canada - it's scary 2016-10-02T23:58:01 < LeelooMinai> Some kind of auto-tuned rap-like something 2016-10-02T23:58:47 < LeelooMinai> And when they blast it across the street one is sol 2016-10-02T23:58:56 < vampi-the-frog> hi 2016-10-02T23:59:01 < kakimir> Boards of Canada 2016-10-02T23:59:29 * LeelooMinai puts Animals as Leaders on as a couter-mesure 2016-10-02T23:59:30 < vampi-the-frog> I'm trying to program a STM32VLDISCOVERY board with the github stlink tool 2016-10-02T23:59:46 < vampi-the-frog> I managed to do it once, but now it says found 0 stlink programmers 2016-10-02T23:59:50 < vampi-the-frog> and flash size is 0kb --- Day changed Mon Oct 03 2016 2016-10-03T00:00:00 < vampi-the-frog> I'm not sure what's wrong 2016-10-03T00:00:20 < LeelooMinai> From what OS? 2016-10-03T00:00:25 < vampi-the-frog> linux 2016-10-03T00:00:27 < kakimir> can I pay with visa in alibaba? 2016-10-03T00:00:33 < LeelooMinai> yes 2016-10-03T00:00:37 < kakimir> not aliexpress 2016-10-03T00:00:48 < LeelooMinai> A, the big site - I don't know 2016-10-03T00:11:01 < vampi-the-frog> sometimes it says unknown chip ID 2016-10-03T00:14:26 < vampi-the-frog> http://ix.io/1sxB 2016-10-03T00:15:57 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-03T00:18:01 < Steffanx> Dont use that tool vampi-the-frog. Try openocd. 2016-10-03T00:18:09 < vampi-the-frog> can it flash? 2016-10-03T00:18:13 < Steffanx> Sure. 2016-10-03T00:18:15 < vampi-the-frog> ok 2016-10-03T00:18:21 * vampi-the-frog looks into it 2016-10-03T00:18:27 < LeelooMinai> Or use st-link on windows 2016-10-03T00:18:32 < Steffanx> Or that. 2016-10-03T00:18:49 < vampi-the-frog> do you think the openocd package with ubuntu is recent enough? 2016-10-03T00:19:18 < Steffanx> But except for laurenceb, everyone has better experience with openocd than that st-flash/link tool 2016-10-03T00:19:40 < Steffanx> Not sure, depends on which version it is. 2016-10-03T00:20:09 < vampi-the-frog> umm do I need a different programmer, or will the on-board st-link do? 2016-10-03T00:20:11 < Steffanx> Also #openocd tends to be useful (often more useful then ##stm32) 2016-10-03T00:20:22 < Steffanx> The on board stlink will do 2016-10-03T00:20:23 < vampi-the-frog> it's version 0.9.0 2016-10-03T00:20:25 < vampi-the-frog> ok 2016-10-03T00:21:53 < BrokenCog> LeelooMinai: sorry was out a moment ... so, they don't have the original binary. 2016-10-03T00:22:49 < LeelooMinai> Cannot use the new one there? 2016-10-03T00:23:16 < BrokenCog> there is no image there. 2016-10-03T00:24:01 < BrokenCog> there is an image, yes, it's not the original. 2016-10-03T00:27:03 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T00:27:41 < vampi-the-frog> ok thanks, bye 2016-10-03T00:27:43 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2016-10-03T00:27:47 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-03T00:32:04 -!- freakuency [~freakuenc@217-211-191-115-no39.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-03T00:34:42 -!- sterna2 [~Adium@c-d6b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-03T00:41:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2016-10-03T00:42:11 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T00:43:38 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-03T00:49:27 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T00:49:31 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2016-10-03T00:49:38 -!- barthess1 [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-03T00:59:15 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-03T01:02:32 -!- I-Wish [~I-Wish@85.254.77.58] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.9.2 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 2016-10-03T01:05:05 < BrokenCog> any incite into this error: mkimage: Can't map arch/arm/boot/uImage: Invalid argument 2016-10-03T01:05:08 < BrokenCog> here are the args: 2016-10-03T01:05:26 < BrokenCog> ../tools/bin/mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 0xc0008000 -e 0xc0008001 -n Linux-2.6.33-arm1 -d arch/arm/boot/Image 2016-10-03T01:05:40 < BrokenCog> at the end. 2016-10-03T01:05:55 < BrokenCog> at the end: arch/arm/boot/Image 2016-10-03T01:18:43 < kakimir> do you trust prey software? 2016-10-03T01:19:37 < LeelooMinai> The what? 2016-10-03T01:19:58 < kakimir> "prey" 2016-10-03T01:20:14 < LeelooMinai> But what is "prey software"? 2016-10-03T01:20:18 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SLrzVdugdI musics 2016-10-03T01:20:34 < kakimir> google "prey" 2016-10-03T01:20:46 < LeelooMinai> I know what prey is, just not what prey software is. 2016-10-03T01:21:22 < LeelooMinai> Ok, read about it on wiki 2016-10-03T01:21:45 < kakimir> oh.. prey was the service and some shiet was the open source backend 2016-10-03T01:24:14 < kakimir> https://prey.bethesda.net/ cool looking game 2016-10-03T01:24:40 < LeelooMinai> The client source seems to be published, so I guess it's up to people to examine it - probably it should be safe. 2016-10-03T01:25:11 < kakimir> it's based on open source backend 2016-10-03T01:27:12 < kakimir> but should you trust the service as they can obtain ip, view webcam and screen too 2016-10-03T01:27:15 < kakimir> ? 2016-10-03T01:27:51 < LeelooMinai> I guess you have to answer that question for yourself. 2016-10-03T01:30:14 < kakimir> but do they need my password to open the connection? 2016-10-03T01:30:43 < LeelooMinai> I don't know - never used such a program. 2016-10-03T01:31:02 < LeelooMinai> There should be docs/faq somewhere for it. 2016-10-03T01:32:03 < kakimir> if there is like some sort of authentication that uses web login to decrypt the data 2016-10-03T01:37:30 < kakimir> so that the service doesn't know the secret 2016-10-03T01:37:56 < kakimir> only web front and computer being tracked have the secret 2016-10-03T01:40:25 < kakimir> it is technically possible? 2016-10-03T01:42:15 < kakimir> "This device seems to have come back to life after a very extended period of inactivity (about 1 month, to be more precise). If it’s not under your possession you should set it to missing status in order to start getting Prey reports to find out more about its whereabouts." 2016-10-03T01:42:44 < kakimir> firewall or so keep blocking it 2016-10-03T01:47:12 < kakimir> is half-life game series any good? 2016-10-03T01:47:21 < kakimir> friend keep telling it's good 2016-10-03T01:47:53 < kakimir> I played hl2 for 10-15min and stopped 2016-10-03T01:47:55 -!- fenugrec [~R@142-217-93-241.telebecinternet.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T01:48:11 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-03T01:50:41 < LeelooMinai> Routing a PCB > games:) 2016-10-03T01:51:05 < LeelooMinai> It's like a board game and eventually you create some physical device. 2016-10-03T01:52:05 < LeelooMinai> I played games in the past - like EVE Online. Pretty awsome, but sucked time like a black hole:/. 2016-10-03T01:52:11 < kakimir> it's like tetris 2016-10-03T01:53:34 < LeelooMinai> Not really like tetris. Since tetris is time based and pretty simplistic. 2016-10-03T01:54:10 < LeelooMinai> More like Chess imp 2016-10-03T01:54:12 < LeelooMinai> imo* 2016-10-03T01:55:27 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T01:55:43 < LeelooMinai> Damn, MXCube has overwritten SystemView path to FreeRTOS - fail 2016-10-03T01:55:48 < LeelooMinai> patch* 2016-10-03T01:55:59 < kakimir> chess where you keep winning? 2016-10-03T01:56:26 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Well, where you have to plan and if you fail, you have to teardown everything and restart:) 2016-10-03T01:57:08 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I need to figure out how to regenerate MXCube generated files selectively. 2016-10-03T01:57:19 < kakimir> it's a while since that happend 2016-10-03T01:57:22 < LeelooMinai> Maybe generate them into another directory and then use some sync progra, 2016-10-03T01:57:42 < LeelooMinai> So I would at least have control over what is synchronized. 2016-10-03T01:58:48 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: It takes experience and patter recognition - like in Chess. You also need to look forward what will happen (also like in Chess). 2016-10-03T01:59:36 < LeelooMinai> The major difference is that when playing Chess you play against an active oponent, and when making PCB you don't. 2016-10-03T02:01:59 < kakimir> I usually see the vision of board 30mins in 2016-10-03T02:02:10 < kakimir> and after 2weeks of work it's done 2016-10-03T02:02:47 < LeelooMinai> Time woiuld depend on how complicated it is. 2016-10-03T02:04:30 < LeelooMinai> lol... 2016-10-03T02:05:24 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: EVE Online is not like most other games, so don't think you will just go into it and play... 2016-10-03T02:05:31 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-03T02:06:33 < LeelooMinai> It's immense, multi-faceted, and brutal - most people get overwhelmed and give up. 2016-10-03T02:06:48 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T02:08:03 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: lol, "it's a space sim" <- like it resolves everything 2016-10-03T02:08:22 < LeelooMinai> Well, you will get butchered, you will see 2016-10-03T02:08:58 < LeelooMinai> If you only relized how funny you sound... 2016-10-03T02:09:05 -!- emeb [~ericb@184-98-82-156.phnx.qwest.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T02:09:16 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-03T02:09:26 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: http://i.imgur.com/jj16ThL.jpg :p 2016-10-03T02:10:26 < LeelooMinai> You will get nom-nomed like a little pinut 2016-10-03T02:10:31 < LeelooMinai> peanut* 2016-10-03T02:11:28 < LeelooMinai> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqoxRcP5kbo 2016-10-03T02:12:39 < LeelooMinai> I think I played for teo years or so. 2016-10-03T02:12:43 < LeelooMinai> two* 2016-10-03T02:14:08 < LeelooMinai> Well, depends. When I played I payed $15 per month initially, but when I got rich in the game I could exchange the game money for subscription. 2016-10-03T02:14:41 < LeelooMinai> It was called PLEX - you basically could buy it on the market. 2016-10-03T02:15:59 < LeelooMinai> It's a "sandbox" type of game. What you will do is up to you. You can make money in a way that, well, you will find/develop. Could be a pirate, could mine, play the market, produce, research, be a mercenary - lots of ways. 2016-10-03T02:16:29 < LeelooMinai> I was doing research/manufacture mostlẏ. 2016-10-03T02:16:44 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Maybe as a trial with limtations. 2016-10-03T02:17:17 < LeelooMinai> The people who play it are a bit nuts though. 2016-10-03T02:17:55 < LeelooMinai> Nerd-psychopath autistic crazy person types... 2016-10-03T02:18:25 < BrainDamage> he'll fit right in 2016-10-03T02:19:20 < LeelooMinai> There are wars there that last years and battles that involve thousands of ships - each consting a money you need to gather for months or more - so you can get a heart attack when you fly somewhere and nothing happens and suddenly boom, you get unlucky and some pirates trap you. 2016-10-03T02:19:47 < LeelooMinai> With EVE you don't need no joystick:) 2016-10-03T02:20:03 < LeelooMinai> It's not a flying simulator, like with planes, etc. 2016-10-03T02:20:11 < BrokenCog> sorry was afk ... didn't see any response on the mkimage error ... any ideas? 2016-10-03T02:20:20 < BrokenCog> ../tools/bin/mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 0xc0008000 -e 0xc0008001 -n Linux-2.6.33-arm1 -d arch/arm/boot/Image arch/arm/boot/Image 2016-10-03T02:20:31 < BrokenCog> any incite into this error: mkimage: Can't map arch/arm/boot/uImage: Invalid argument 2016-10-03T02:20:39 * LeelooMinai looks at R2COM weirdly 2016-10-03T02:20:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-03T02:20:57 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: I just decribed what is it like - it's a sandbox game 2016-10-03T02:21:14 < BrokenCog> I don't think a joystick would help in EveOnline. 2016-10-03T02:22:00 < LeelooMinai> No, it's not how you control ship - it's how you live in that damn thing - before you even learn to be good with the ships, etc. you need months or years. 2016-10-03T02:22:07 < BrokenCog> lol. same type of game ... is everything in a computer a first person sim to you? 2016-10-03T02:22:37 * LeelooMinai wants R2COM to try EVE and be massacred time after time:p 2016-10-03T02:23:04 < BrokenCog> lol. 2016-10-03T02:23:17 < BrokenCog> I actually wouldn't wish being a noob in EVE on anyone. 2016-10-03T02:23:43 < LeelooMinai> With brain power and keyboard:) 2016-10-03T02:24:29 < LeelooMinai> It's on a bit higher level than you would need to do actually flying a ship. You mostly control modules, do some targetting, etc. 2016-10-03T02:24:33 < BrokenCog> R2COM: it's free for 30 days ... go give it a try. 2016-10-03T02:25:13 < LeelooMinai> It's more about strategy than "flying skills" 2016-10-03T02:25:35 < LeelooMinai> But you better be fast thinking and good with keyboard too - like in most MMORPGs 2016-10-03T02:25:59 < zyp> ms excel in space 2016-10-03T02:26:04 < LeelooMinai> If you want more sim-like flying, maybe wait for that $150 mill kickstarter game 2016-10-03T02:26:11 < LeelooMinai> What is it called... 2016-10-03T02:26:25 * LeelooMinai draws blank 2016-10-03T02:26:28 < LeelooMinai> O, righ 2016-10-03T02:27:24 * LeelooMinai ponders how someone can grab $150 mil to make a game and it's not going to be released 2016-10-03T02:27:55 < BrokenCog> he is infering that because of the long dev. time the game will ultimately bomb. ... 2016-10-03T02:28:06 < LeelooMinai> They should at least troll people and release something llloking at Minecraft - "here, done" 2016-10-03T02:28:20 < BrokenCog> you can play the beta. it's quite impressive. 2016-10-03T02:28:20 < LeelooMinai> like Minecraft* 2016-10-03T02:28:58 < LeelooMinai> For that much money, it better is 2016-10-03T02:29:26 < BrokenCog> ah. a beta. 2016-10-03T02:30:22 < LeelooMinai> The whole community in EVE is crazy 2016-10-03T02:30:39 < LeelooMinai> Have huge alliances, espionage, etc. 2016-10-03T02:31:19 < LeelooMinai> Of course... 2016-10-03T02:31:50 < LeelooMinai> More likely you will leave the space station and run into some sadist preying on the noobs... 2016-10-03T02:31:51 < BrokenCog> R2COM: you'll last ten minuets after the tutorial. 2016-10-03T02:32:21 < BrokenCog> you'll get jumped, you'll curse, blame the lag of the stupid game and never go back. 2016-10-03T02:32:32 < LeelooMinai> And you will not even know what happened:) 2016-10-03T02:32:41 < BrokenCog> lol. 2016-10-03T02:33:22 < LeelooMinai> There will be some flashes, warnings, and you will see you are in some black egg floating in space... 2016-10-03T02:33:54 < BrokenCog> this is probably a good game for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaceward_Ho! ... which, actually, is still fun to play on a tablet. 2016-10-03T02:34:37 < LeelooMinai> For R2COM I suggest this: http://www.dressupgames.com/barbie-in-space 2016-10-03T02:35:16 < BrokenCog> for his friday nights: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leisure_Suit_Larry 2016-10-03T02:35:42 < LeelooMinai> That's very old:) 2016-10-03T02:36:13 < LeelooMinai> lol 2016-10-03T02:37:46 < LeelooMinai> 850 yours - that's like half of your life:p 2016-10-03T02:39:01 < LeelooMinai> Right, because golf is such a regular activity... 2016-10-03T02:39:53 < LeelooMinai> The rest must be IRC then:p 2016-10-03T02:40:32 < LeelooMinai> Well, I am not really on IRC - I multitask:) 2016-10-03T02:40:56 < LeelooMinai> My left eye is on this window and the right one is reading some docs 2016-10-03T02:41:20 < BrokenCog> ... with bitches ... I do to: I usually walk my dog for about 20 minutes ... don't call it "going out". 2016-10-03T02:42:35 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: That's what multitasking is about - dividing attention 2016-10-03T02:43:20 < LeelooMinai> Stoner... lol 2016-10-03T02:43:32 < LeelooMinai> I never even drunk any alcohol in my life 2016-10-03T02:43:51 < LeelooMinai> well, maybe some sip on New Years Eve but don't remember 2016-10-03T02:44:43 < LeelooMinai> Well, you can have sex for 5 people on IRC - that will average out fine, right? :) 2016-10-03T02:44:59 < BrokenCog> lol. he goes out with bitches. 2016-10-03T02:45:35 < BrokenCog> he must be gangsta 2016-10-03T02:46:03 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.163.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-03T02:46:29 * LeelooMinai imagines in reality poor R2COM going out with his parrot and little lap dog 2016-10-03T02:46:34 -!- pmartnhoj [~john@175.111.102.145] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-03T02:46:34 -!- pmartnhoj [~john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T02:46:46 < BrokenCog> like he said ... bitches. 2016-10-03T02:48:10 < LeelooMinai> *stomps the foot with anger and hangs the head down* 2016-10-03T02:48:11 < BrokenCog> but at least we don't talk about our lady friends as bitches. 2016-10-03T02:49:46 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Relax - someone needs to make fun of you from time to time, so you don't lose perspective:) 2016-10-03T02:50:25 < LeelooMinai> If not you will talk completely like someone in a rap song and no one will be able to follow. 2016-10-03T02:51:45 < LeelooMinai> Well, you talk similarly though:) 2016-10-03T02:52:48 < LeelooMinai> You should get her to fill questionnaire first before dating. 2016-10-03T02:55:18 < BrokenCog> or just accept some people have different tastes ... and ask them to listen to it at 40% ... and learn to not have everything your way 100% of the time. 2016-10-03T02:55:34 < BrokenCog> go with the flow, as they used to say. 2016-10-03T02:56:25 < BrokenCog> or, don't have a cow, man. lol. that sounds so funny saying in my head. so old. 2016-10-03T02:57:06 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T03:00:02 -!- emeb [~ericb@184-98-82-156.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-03T03:01:41 < aandrew> LOL that instagram thing HAHAHAHAHA 2016-10-03T03:02:17 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: don't peg all us canadians in the same hole on that. I can't stand 90% of the shit they have on the radio 2016-10-03T03:02:49 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: What is that auto-tuned Canadian rap-like thing called even? Does it have a name? :) 2016-10-03T03:03:45 < aandrew> kakimir: not bad (animattronic - emergence) 2016-10-03T03:03:51 < LeelooMinai> I will call it Canarap 2016-10-03T03:05:12 < aandrew> that emergence song would be a lot better without the dude announcing different parts 2016-10-03T03:05:21 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-03T03:05:34 -!- Peter_M [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T03:08:03 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-03T03:08:04 -!- Peter_M is now known as PeterM 2016-10-03T03:15:49 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-03T03:16:24 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T03:18:51 < aandrew> not that I"m anyone, but I tend to do async assert, sync de-assert 2016-10-03T03:20:16 < aandrew> lol leisure suit larry 2016-10-03T03:20:25 < aandrew> I remember playing that in all its splendor on my friend's EGA system 2016-10-03T03:21:27 < BrainDamage> i used to play that game on a 386 on my sister's pc, man i had no idea what stuff meant, i played it back after 20 years and it had a whole other meaning >_> 2016-10-03T03:22:46 < BrainDamage> i was like 4-5, i didn't even know how to write properly 2016-10-03T03:32:01 < aandrew> dad had an 80386dx/33 (with the double-sigma mark to show it didn't have some integer multiply error) 2016-10-03T03:32:14 < aandrew> full size at motherboard, cache logic was done in discretes and GALs 2016-10-03T03:34:56 < aandrew> remember when motherboards looked like this? http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/at_clone_bios/ECS-386_32%20motherboard%20of%20revision%201.0.jpg 2016-10-03T03:35:08 < aandrew> (that wasn't the specific one, but looks about same era) 2016-10-03T03:36:09 < aandrew> hard to find ones with SIPP memory 2016-10-03T03:40:39 < upgrdman> i still have like 8 sticks of 40pin SIMMS 2016-10-03T03:40:51 < upgrdman> some 1MB and some 2MB sticks, iirc 2016-10-03T03:54:08 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T03:57:21 < aandrew> SIPP baby, not SIMM 2016-10-03T03:57:33 < aandrew> essentially they were SIMMs with pins 2016-10-03T03:57:47 < aandrew> like the old SIP packages for early hybrids 2016-10-03T03:59:38 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://gfycat.com/IdleGroundedAngelwingmussel 2016-10-03T04:02:43 < upgrdman> youre just now noticed that 2016-10-03T04:04:27 -!- Laurenceb__ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-03T04:05:20 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/1686a00cd206465d81f36138d6f64e73?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=09efd00cf68c85eb96115e81208319ec 2016-10-03T04:06:27 < upgrdman> you no like? 2016-10-03T04:06:56 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/bK2HvnY.gifv 2016-10-03T04:07:16 -!- paul__ [~quassel@c-174-63-99-188.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-03T04:07:50 < LeelooMinai> It's not like he could crash their skull or anything 2016-10-03T04:07:58 < LeelooMinai> her skull* 2016-10-03T04:08:14 < upgrdman> human trash, who cares 2016-10-03T04:08:44 < LeelooMinai> The policman or her? :p 2016-10-03T04:08:56 < upgrdman> anyone 2016-10-03T04:09:14 < upgrdman> theres no shortage of useful people. who cares about the idiots. 2016-10-03T04:10:48 < LeelooMinai> Well, she seems to be drunk or something, but the cop seems to be sober and is supposed to be trained, but uses over the top dangerous force, so who is the idiot there was my question... 2016-10-03T04:11:12 < upgrdman> the person who got drunk 2016-10-03T04:11:41 < upgrdman> since the drunk bitch put herself in that situation 2016-10-03T04:12:05 < LeelooMinai> That's not an excuse imo 2016-10-03T04:12:39 < upgrdman> no need for an exuse. human trash doesnt need to be treated in the same way as normal people 2016-10-03T04:12:52 < LeelooMinai> If you react like that and risk killing someone, you should not be a cop 2016-10-03T04:13:02 < upgrdman> i wouldnt reat act like 2016-10-03T04:13:04 < upgrdman> but 2016-10-03T04:13:08 < upgrdman> i also shouldnt be a cop 2016-10-03T04:14:00 < LeelooMinai> The guy has no skills as to judging the situation - not sure how he got to be a cop.... Seems more like someone who should be a wrestler:) 2016-10-03T04:14:29 < LeelooMinai> In MMA or what is it called - perfect place for him. 2016-10-03T04:15:19 < LeelooMinai> Thought probably even there he won't get a chance to try the same on a concrete floor 2016-10-03T04:29:58 < aandrew> heh 2016-10-03T04:30:01 < aandrew> set up my fax line 2016-10-03T04:30:02 < aandrew> wtf 2016-10-03T04:37:51 -!- reportingsjr [~reporting@2604:a880:800:10::11e:d001] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T04:39:20 < reportingsjr> I'm asking this before I try it, because I have a feeling I'm about to tear my hair out.. 2016-10-03T04:39:50 < reportingsjr> Anyone here have experience with removing the read only option byte from an f1 chip on linux? 2016-10-03T04:40:20 < reportingsjr> texane st-link doesn't look like it supports setting the option bytes on chips and openocd isn't too clear on if it can or not. 2016-10-03T04:41:07 < LeelooMinai> st-link utility has "option bytes" menu 2016-10-03T04:41:20 < reportingsjr> Isn't that windows only? 2016-10-03T04:42:00 < LeelooMinai> reportingsjr: So? :p 2016-10-03T04:42:58 < reportingsjr> That's why I specifically asked for advice on doing this on linux 2016-10-03T04:43:32 < LeelooMinai> I don't even see you mentioning linux there 2016-10-03T04:44:00 < reportingsjr> LeelooMinai: I said it when I asked the question 2016-10-03T04:44:12 < reportingsjr> :P 2016-10-03T04:44:31 < aandrew> reportingsjr: you could ask in openocd, but if htis is something you want to do now rather than later you might want to spin up a VM to get it done 2016-10-03T04:44:32 < LeelooMinai> Lies... 2016-10-03T04:45:05 < reportingsjr> aandrew: someone in another channel mentioned that erasing the whole chip might remove those bytes. 2016-10-03T04:47:34 < LeelooMinai> reportingsjr: O, you mentioned linux - my bad. I guess getting blind:/ 2016-10-03T04:48:44 < reportingsjr> I think I found the openocd command that will unlock the chip for writing. `stm32f1x unlock 01 2016-10-03T04:48:53 < reportingsjr> err, that 1 at the end is supposed to be ` 2016-10-03T04:52:11 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/r/AdviceAnimals/SsrnF7E lol 2016-10-03T04:52:18 < aandrew> reportingsjr: yes, a full device erase might do it too 2016-10-03T04:52:34 < aandrew> I'm also willing to bet a jlink owuld do it but recommending hardware you don't have won't help anything 2016-10-03T05:00:25 < LeelooMinai> jlink has unlock commends for stm32s, yes, sans the new ones like L4 2016-10-03T05:02:37 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: i'm sure a firmware update covers them too 2016-10-03T05:02:53 < aandrew> I dislike the jlinks for their closed/proprietary shit but DAMN they work well 2016-10-03T05:03:30 < aandrew> case in point: I was working on a Kinetis design about 2y ago. I *hate* the freescale shit, but couldn't get JLink to do what I wanted with this particular kinetis 2016-10-03T05:03:47 < aandrew> two months later, it worked fine becuase they updated the firmware to cover the device which admittedly was pretty new at the time 2016-10-03T05:05:29 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-03T05:06:01 -!- kuldeep_ [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-03T05:06:56 -!- kuldeep_ [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T05:07:00 -!- kuldeep_ is now known as kuldeep 2016-10-03T05:11:27 < LeelooMinai> They update the software like weekly 2016-10-03T05:13:30 < aandrew> yes 2016-10-03T05:13:48 < aandrew> my particular device didn't get added until the project was failed :-/ 2016-10-03T05:14:02 < aandrew> mind you I'm not using a legit jlink so I can't really ask them for anything either :-) 2016-10-03T05:19:07 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T05:19:38 < stvn> hello there young child 2016-10-03T05:24:25 < LeelooMinai> I got broken at some point and bought jlink EDU - oh well. 2016-10-03T05:24:36 < LeelooMinai> It's onlu $60 \ 2016-10-03T05:25:05 < stvn> wut 2016-10-03T05:25:13 -!- fenugrec [~R@142-217-93-241.telebecinternet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-03T05:27:50 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/BsuDU8N.jpg 2016-10-03T05:27:53 < stvn> the inspector 2016-10-03T05:28:23 < LeelooMinai> DJ Ginger 2016-10-03T05:29:02 < stvn> the prodding paw :3 2016-10-03T05:30:51 < dongs> hmm wut 2016-10-03T05:31:06 < dongs> why the fuck does tectu have a lookup table of doubles for his dumb custom fsin() function 2016-10-03T05:31:07 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T05:31:19 < dongs> why is any of his shitty math done wiht doubles at all, lol 2016-10-03T05:31:34 < stvn> tectu is too busy trollin' brah 2016-10-03T05:32:11 < stvn> Embedded.Pro - Embedded done professionally 2016-10-03T05:35:19 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T05:35:31 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: yeah, I have a few jtag-lites which are licensed only for cortex m-series, but that's fine because that's practically all I use. 2016-10-03T05:37:13 * LeelooMinai found some FreeRTOS PDF finally - it lied on some educational ftp:p 2016-10-03T05:37:55 < LeelooMinai> It has "This document was supplied to jmclurkin@rice.edu everywhere" 2016-10-03T05:38:15 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T05:38:16 < LeelooMinai> They sell those at $35:/ 2016-10-03T05:38:49 < upgrdman> fucking raging. takes forever to updong videos to youtube with only 4Mbps up (but 60 down) 2016-10-03T05:40:37 < aandrew> upgrdman: don't be an idiot. just swap the LAN and WAN ports on the router and you'll have 60 up and 4 down 2016-10-03T05:40:49 < upgrdman> right 2016-10-03T05:41:17 < LeelooMinai> Or use proper oxygen-free cables 2016-10-03T05:41:38 < stvn> the dogs 2016-10-03T05:42:08 < stvn> and their components 2016-10-03T05:47:02 < dongs> https://git.ugfx.io/uGFX/uGFX/src/master/src/gmisc/gmisc_trig.c#L142 yes, tectu, that really IS slow 2016-10-03T05:47:21 < dongs> f2d -> sqrt in doubles -> double division wiht double constant -> d2f 2016-10-03T05:47:35 < PeterM> curt/stvn, are you familiar with oglaf? 2016-10-03T05:49:17 < upgrdman> so ugfx is $ right, but open source? 2016-10-03T05:49:21 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-03T05:49:32 < dongs> if you use it in commercial shit and dont tell tectu, then you're A-OK 2016-10-03T05:50:27 < stvn> PeterM, nah but i'm familiar with electric retard 2016-10-03T05:52:36 * LeelooMinai wonders if that's a new version of Electric Imp 2016-10-03T05:52:55 < stvn> for your own good don 2016-10-03T05:52:59 < stvn> 'don't search it 2016-10-03T05:54:44 < stvn> it's a senseless comic strip based on rape, hitler, paedophilia, violence etc 2016-10-03T05:54:47 < reportingsjr> aandrew: Hah, yeah, if I was going to buy a new programmer I would just buy the one I 2016-10-03T05:54:52 < reportingsjr> I'm kind of making. :P 2016-10-03T05:55:02 < dongs> wat 2016-10-03T05:55:06 -!- sajimon [~sajimon@sporysz.meil.me] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-03T05:55:12 < reportingsjr> aandrew: I will report back if openocd will unlock the chip. 2016-10-03T05:55:14 < aandrew> I made a shitty SWD programmer 2016-10-03T05:56:01 < reportingsjr> aandrew: I have two stm32f4 discoveries and I'm turning the st-link chips on them in to black magic probes. 2016-10-03T05:56:33 < dongs> sounds like a really bad idea 2016-10-03T05:56:37 < reportingsjr> The guide I am reading to do this is using a black magic probe to reprogram the st-link which I don't have. 2016-10-03T05:56:42 < dongs> if anything you should be turning them into jlinks 2016-10-03T05:56:52 < reportingsjr> the black magic probe is supposed to be really nice 2016-10-03T05:57:03 < dongs> if you use gdb, maybe 2016-10-03T05:57:08 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, are those black magic probes special in some way? (ie better over st-link cut from a nucleo board) 2016-10-03T05:57:18 < stvn> PeterM, did the storm flip your tractor mate 2016-10-03T05:57:20 < reportingsjr> Yes 2016-10-03T05:57:41 < reportingsjr> LeelooMinai: At a minimum it offers much faster program due to not having the bottleneck of the st-link baud rates. 2016-10-03T05:57:44 -!- sajimon [~sajimon@sporysz.meil.me] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T05:58:09 < stvn> brother tectu is going to bring me a stm32f7 disco board so i can try his ugfx demo 2016-10-03T05:58:15 < LeelooMinai> Mine seems limited to 4MHz SWD 2016-10-03T05:58:21 < LeelooMinai> jlink works at 12 though 2016-10-03T05:58:37 < LeelooMinai> EDU one that is, maybe non-edu are even faster 2016-10-03T05:58:38 < reportingsjr> It also means I don't have to run an st-link "server" on my computer. It uses standard the gdb protocol which sounds much better for setting up computers 2016-10-03T05:58:57 < stvn> get jlink proz mate 2016-10-03T05:59:15 < LeelooMinai> So the server is on the pcb? 2016-10-03T05:59:16 < reportingsjr> st-link doesn't really have much integration with any IDEs whereas gdb/openocd has plenty of support. 2016-10-03T05:59:20 < reportingsjr> LeelooMinai: yep! 2016-10-03T05:59:37 < reportingsjr> LeelooMinai: and the communication to the pcb is just with regular gdb 2016-10-03T05:59:39 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, ok, I guess that can be convenient in some cases. 2016-10-03T06:00:09 < LeelooMinai> Well, with j-link you also use regular gdb 2016-10-03T06:00:23 < reportingsjr> The black magic probe people claim that the st-link protocol can be fairly flakey. I can definitely believe that considering the issues I have, but I've never used the black magic probe to compare. 2016-10-03T06:00:29 < aandrew> I've got that stm32f7 board 2016-10-03T06:00:58 < reportingsjr> LeelooMinai: Yeah, that sounds really nice. I like using open source where I can though! Not sure if the jlink is open at all. 2016-10-03T06:01:13 < LeelooMinai> Not really 2016-10-03T06:01:44 < LeelooMinai> So, that BM - what speed can it work with SWD? 2016-10-03T06:03:29 < reportingsjr> LeelooMinai: ya know, I'm not sure. 2016-10-03T06:04:14 < reportingsjr> I just asked the devs. When I get an answer I'll let you know! 2016-10-03T06:04:43 < LeelooMinai> Maybe they don't know either - after all it's all black magic 2016-10-03T06:04:48 < reportingsjr> :) 2016-10-03T06:05:43 < dongs> i use things that work 2016-10-03T06:05:51 < dongs> i would never let opsnsores politics get in the way of getting shit done 2016-10-03T06:05:57 < stvn> dave jones uses stm32 2016-10-03T06:06:11 < reportingsjr> Yeah, the st-link was being pretty crappy at programming for me 2016-10-03T06:06:19 < LeelooMinai> I remember him using PICs in the past 2016-10-03T06:06:25 < stvn> pics are great! 2016-10-03T06:06:31 < dongs> dickjones doesn't acutally do any EE 2016-10-03T06:06:39 < stvn> that is true 2016-10-03T06:06:39 < dongs> hes like this channel when there's no STM32 talk 2016-10-03T06:06:43 < upgrdman> how does BMP know anything about the target? does it autodetect the mcu? 2016-10-03T06:07:00 < dongs> upgrdman: gdb protocol fuckery 2016-10-03T06:07:01 < stvn> dongs, it's just flappin round in the breeze 2016-10-03T06:07:24 < LeelooMinai> Dave is a tremendous EE and he designed many many designs 2016-10-03T06:07:25 < dongs> prety sure you set target in gdb 2016-10-03T06:07:46 < dongs> LeeShillMinai: put your dick down and get back to doing work 2016-10-03T06:08:19 < reportingsjr> upgrdman: You get a list of targets back via jtag/swd and choose there 2016-10-03T06:08:24 < LeelooMinai> I have whole site with work. don't worry:p 2016-10-03T06:08:25 < stvn> even dave said he's just another average EE 2016-10-03T06:08:33 < stvn> which is right 2016-10-03T06:08:46 < stvn> yet all the airheads think he's some kind of god 2016-10-03T06:08:59 < upgrdman> youtube is full of idiots 2016-10-03T06:09:04 < stvn> you got that right 2016-10-03T06:09:07 < upgrdman> comments on my videos comfirm it daily 2016-10-03T06:09:19 < stvn> yeah i forgot you have a channel 2016-10-03T06:09:22 < LeelooMinai> Well, he is entertaining kind of - I don't think anyone presumes he is some EE genius 2016-10-03T06:09:26 < reportingsjr> I think he is an average EE, but he is a great teacher which is kinda rare. 2016-10-03T06:10:06 < stvn> yeah I have encountered the type of 'teacher' who cannot explain anything 2016-10-03T06:10:09 < upgrdman> just got someone commenting on an arduino video of mine, thanking me since he needed it for his university project... it's a video where i should how to send text from the pc to the arduino over the uart. how the fuck is that uni level 2016-10-03T06:10:11 < LeelooMinai> On the other hand, there are many great EEs that when put on youtube would put everyone to sleep:) 2016-10-03T06:10:30 < stvn> yeah 2016-10-03T06:10:38 < stvn> the innovation 2016-10-03T06:10:54 < stvn> doesn't make for good bloggin' 2016-10-03T06:11:30 < stvn> people have told me to do youtube shizz for my electronics repair business... i just assume they're trying to get me off IRC 2016-10-03T06:12:12 < dongs> if you post how to fix poineer mixers on y outube doesnt that just mean youll have no business 2016-10-03T06:12:16 < dongs> because retards will try to do it themselves 2016-10-03T06:12:21 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: At university people are usually not doing much practical working designs 2016-10-03T06:12:23 < dongs> then again could mean more business 2016-10-03T06:12:26 < dongs> they do it and fuck it up 2016-10-03T06:12:31 < stvn> dongs, yeah they'll fuck it up too... make my job frustrating 2016-10-03T06:12:59 < upgrdman> stvn could be the next louis rossmann but for hifi shitz 2016-10-03T06:13:03 < stvn> eg. a 12 layer DSP card with ripped up traces from when they 'tried to fix it' 2016-10-03T06:13:08 < dongs> lul 2016-10-03T06:13:11 < dongs> is that asshole in jail yet 2016-10-03T06:13:14 < dongs> RIP by Apple 2016-10-03T06:13:19 < stvn> loldongs 2016-10-03T06:13:55 < stvn> yeah dunno what's with all these dumbfucks crying poor taking in LCD TVs in for repair everyday 2016-10-03T06:17:40 < stvn> fucken lol news - Kayne cuts tour short - probably kimK's pumpable ass impants ruptured 2016-10-03T06:21:15 < Jak_o_Shadows> I've never had any trouble with openocd, gdb, and a stlinkv2 2016-10-03T06:27:09 < dongs> i've never had trouble with tying a string to my tooth and driving off 2016-10-03T06:27:14 < dongs> but I prefer to go to the dentist 2016-10-03T06:31:04 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-03T06:35:10 < stvn> bend over girl, and use your titties like a broom... just sweep it, just sweep it 2016-10-03T06:38:56 < stvn> how much for 100pcs stm32f103c8t6 2016-10-03T06:40:11 < dongs> probly around 1.2ea +- 2016-10-03T06:40:45 < stvn> yah thats a sweet deal 2016-10-03T06:42:56 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T06:44:59 < reportingsjr> LeelooMinai: someone with a black magic probe said they see 8MHz on the SWDCLK 2016-10-03T06:45:24 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, ok, so exactly in-between st-link and j-link EDU 2016-10-03T06:45:41 < reportingsjr> I don't know how that translates to actual programming speed, but the lead BMP dev said he gets about 15kB/s programming an f1 and 24kB/s programming and f4 2016-10-03T06:47:23 < LeelooMinai> I guess one thing is programming time and another debugging. For my stuff the latter is more important, but if someone has to program tons of ics for production, the former. 2016-10-03T06:48:00 < LeelooMinai> Or has some huge code taking 256kB or so 2016-10-03T06:50:53 < Jak_o_Shadows> Ever since I started using the external SSDRAM, programming takes about a minute and a half 2016-10-03T06:51:26 < LeelooMinai> Is it used for RAM or code too? 2016-10-03T06:52:57 < Jak_o_Shadows> See, I didn't think I was putting any code in RAM 2016-10-03T06:53:21 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I dpm 2016-10-03T06:53:25 < LeelooMinai> Oops 2016-10-03T06:53:48 < LeelooMinai> I don't see how a programmer would even access that external RAM - is that even done? 2016-10-03T06:54:19 < LeelooMinai> Does it even know it's there... 2016-10-03T06:55:37 < Jak_o_Shadows> It's in the linker script 2016-10-03T06:55:42 < Jak_o_Shadows> But like, it's not initialized 2016-10-03T06:56:55 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, never used external RAM with ARM. Is this some uC with explicit support for RAM and it gets auto-magically mapped into the address space? 2016-10-03T06:57:55 < LeelooMinai> The FSMC thing? 2016-10-03T06:59:07 < dongs> programming speed on F1 is definitely limited by flash write speed 2016-10-03T06:59:24 < dongs> tho when my jlink ultra+ gets here im gonna try doing a full 128k flash on F1 and see what that takes 2016-10-03T06:59:27 < dongs> vs .edu 2016-10-03T06:59:33 < dongs> i thikn edu with jflash was already really fast 2016-10-03T07:00:30 < LeelooMinai> Don't they have some special flashing program that does not work on EDU? I think I tried something once and it wanted a licence. 2016-10-03T07:00:55 < LeelooMinai> Probably for production programming, so maybe the fastest way. 2016-10-03T07:01:03 < dongs> might be j-flash, i haev a license for that tho 2016-10-03T07:07:12 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T07:10:47 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-03T07:10:52 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-03T07:19:32 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I don't think I like this weird function maing scheme of FreeRTOS where they prefix the code for return type to the name... 2016-10-03T07:19:58 < LeelooMinai> It's kind of silly 2016-10-03T07:21:12 < LeelooMinai> So, vTaskNotifyGiveFromISR is just a function returning void, but so what... 2016-10-03T07:23:20 < LeelooMinai> Chibios had much better idea and the prefixes like that were used to signify from where the function is allowed to be called, like x - from everywhere, or s I think from system lock state and i from interrupts, or something close. 2016-10-03T07:26:37 < stvn> thanks for the blog 2016-10-03T07:27:32 < aandrew> hm, this jlink isn't finding my target 2016-10-03T07:28:02 < dongs> plug the 2x5 socket the other way around 2016-10-03T07:28:13 < aandrew> no it's pinned with jumpers 2016-10-03T07:28:25 < aandrew> and already did the obligatory swap of swdck/swdio twice 2016-10-03T07:29:04 < reportingsjr> anyone have a decent sized program bin for the F4 discovery board I could test programming speeds with? 2016-10-03T07:29:56 < dongs> just make a random .bin? 2016-10-03T07:30:00 < reportingsjr> sure 2016-10-03T07:30:06 < dongs> it doenst have to be valid 2016-10-03T07:30:23 < reportingsjr> Umm, I guess it just won't work, right? 2016-10-03T07:30:30 < dongs> pretty much 2016-10-03T07:30:34 < reportingsjr> that's fine 2016-10-03T07:30:42 < LeelooMinai> If you get lucky it may print "Hello, my name is Bob" 2016-10-03T07:30:44 < dongs> just literally make 256k or 512k or wahtever .bin file out of random 2016-10-03T07:32:06 < jpa-> it will probably also double-fault and if you are using stlink texane from 2011, it won't allow you to reflash without holding NRST down manually :P 2016-10-03T07:33:07 < dongs> jpa-: any idea why ugfx math stuff is using doubles? 2016-10-03T07:33:17 < dongs> or is that tectucode 2016-10-03T07:33:21 < jpa-> tectucode 2016-10-03T07:33:38 < jpa-> but probably he forgot to write 'f' suffix to a literal somewhere 2016-10-03T07:33:40 < dongs> sp much newb shit t here 2016-10-03T07:33:44 < dongs> no, hes doing it on purpose 2016-10-03T07:33:48 < LeelooMinai> tectucodebutnothinghappens 2016-10-03T07:33:48 < dongs> perhaps not knowing hte diference 2016-10-03T07:33:58 < dongs> https://git.ugfx.io/uGFX/uGFX/src/master/src/gmisc/gmisc_trig.c#L142 2016-10-03T07:34:17 < dongs> shit like this, 2 f2d->d2f conversions, double math func, etc 2016-10-03T07:34:26 < dongs> plus the sinf table above is all doubles 2016-10-03T07:34:31 < dongs> and there's double constants everywehre in teh code 2016-10-03T07:34:43 < jpa-> luls 2016-10-03T07:34:46 < dongs> i dont remember if those invoke a d2f from just constant or compiler properly makes it float if the rest of the ops are float 2016-10-03T07:34:47 < jpa-> looks silly indeed 2016-10-03T07:35:41 < dongs> i dont htink arc drawing ona 320x240 lcd requires double precision 2016-10-03T07:36:22 < jpa-> yeah 2016-10-03T07:36:40 < jpa-> also, why would he reinvent sin/cos anyway 2016-10-03T07:37:04 < jpa-> even gcc's libm is pretty fast on cortex-m, and i would assume armcc is not worse 2016-10-03T07:37:45 < LeelooMinai> Well, he has a look up table option there - it should be much faster 2016-10-03T07:37:49 < LeelooMinai> At the memory cost 2016-10-03T07:39:16 -!- BrokenCog [~BrokenCog@pdpc/supporter/active/brokencog] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-03T07:44:24 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-03T07:44:31 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T07:53:41 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: true.. though it doesn't even interpolate, which seems a bit like over-optimization 2016-10-03T07:54:41 < LeelooMinai> Could have sub-option to interpolate:) 2016-10-03T07:55:33 < LeelooMinai> 42 sin/cos calculation strategies 2016-10-03T07:55:46 < jpa-> yep :P 2016-10-03T07:58:14 < dongs> having the LUT as doubles is stupid anyway 2016-10-03T07:58:32 < jpa-> yeah 2016-10-03T07:58:42 < LeelooMinai> Well, they are only few decimal places, so just take space 2016-10-03T07:59:26 < LeelooMinai> Could as well make them more precise 2016-10-03T07:59:42 < dongs> .. 2016-10-03T07:59:46 < jpa-> they also bring in the double emulation library, and fail to make use of F4 FPU 2016-10-03T08:00:03 < dongs> exactly 2016-10-03T08:00:15 < jpa-> https://git.ugfx.io/uGFX/uGFX/src/master/src/gdisp/gdisp.c#L1838 haha, either this code is hyperoptimized or it was made by Laurenceb 2016-10-03T08:00:19 < LeelooMinai> The library cannot use the FPU? 2016-10-03T08:00:25 < dongs> i bet if his shit was cleaned up of all double constants, use sinf/cosf/etc stuff for flaot-only functions, it would reduce compiled code by a fair bit 2016-10-03T08:00:31 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: F4 FPU only supports float, not double 2016-10-03T08:00:55 < jpa-> double is software emulated and 10-100x slower in my experience 2016-10-03T08:00:56 < LeelooMinai> Right, but the library maybe could break the double calculations into accelerated float ones or something 2016-10-03T08:00:58 < dongs> what the thell 2016-10-03T08:01:03 < dongs> @ that code 2016-10-03T08:01:15 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: it doesn't need double at all, it could just write "float" and be done with it 2016-10-03T08:01:26 < jpa-> it only supports up to 1 degree accuracy anyway 2016-10-03T08:01:42 < LeelooMinai> lol, that's a big switch there 2016-10-03T08:02:00 < LeelooMinai> Holy 3k lines 2016-10-03T08:02:05 < dongs> i think even my arc function is less insane 2016-10-03T08:03:22 < aandrew> hm 2016-10-03T08:03:26 < aandrew> stm32 came right up 2016-10-03T08:03:38 < aandrew> two jlink adapters, neither can find either one of my nrf51822 boards 2016-10-03T08:03:52 < dongs> my nrf worked fine with jlink 2016-10-03T08:03:57 < dongs> in the dildo 2016-10-03T08:04:05 < dongs> but i put a normal 2x5 swd socket on ther 2016-10-03T08:04:07 < PeterM> hmm, thats weird, usually my stm32 only come right up in flames :S 2016-10-03T08:04:38 < dongs> sy = floor(0.5-radius*fsin(start)); 2016-10-03T08:04:45 < dongs> more d2f->f2d shit there 2016-10-03T08:06:31 < aandrew> oh I know, I've had them working too 2016-10-03T08:11:55 < aandrew> well, fuck 2016-10-03T08:11:57 < aandrew> that was easy 2016-10-03T08:12:06 < aandrew> use the right fucking connector pinout and it comes right up 2016-10-03T08:14:27 < dongs> < dongs> but i put a normal 2x5 swd socket on ther 2016-10-03T08:14:33 < dongs> you gotta get into this dude. 2016-10-03T08:15:18 < stvn> is it the best? 2016-10-03T08:15:28 < aandrew> dongs: I do that on my boards 2016-10-03T08:15:32 < aandrew> these are not my boards 2016-10-03T08:15:41 < stvn> smaller than .1" pitch? 2016-10-03T08:16:45 < dongs> cortex m debug connector. 2016-10-03T08:16:50 < aandrew> I use the standard everyday fucking used everywhere digikey 1175-1629-nd 2016-10-03T08:16:58 < aandrew> yes it's smaller, it's 1.27mm 2016-10-03T08:17:03 < aandrew> that's what I use on my shit 2016-10-03T08:17:07 < stvn> yah that 1 2016-10-03T08:17:13 < aandrew> not these ridiculous proprietary connectors 2016-10-03T08:17:19 < dongs> shrouded sux 2016-10-03T08:18:16 < stvn> i'll get my dog to chew it off 2016-10-03T08:19:00 < aandrew> well there's always SAM8799-ND if you want to be that way 2016-10-03T08:19:07 < stvn> the stupid thing just stares at me all day http://i.imgur.com/5ZHw15V.jpg 2016-10-03T08:19:11 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-03T08:19:17 < aandrew> ha 2016-10-03T08:19:20 < aandrew> what's its name 2016-10-03T08:19:25 < stvn> dora 2016-10-03T08:19:29 < stvn> i don't own it though 2016-10-03T08:20:06 < aandrew> dora? 2016-10-03T08:20:06 < aandrew> wtf 2016-10-03T08:20:11 < aandrew> did your 3yo daughter name it? 2016-10-03T08:20:13 < stvn> yeah wtf exactly 2016-10-03T08:20:23 < stvn> no my business parter's girfriend 2016-10-03T08:21:08 < stvn> apparently it's named after some cross dressing fuck 2016-10-03T08:21:36 < LeelooMinai> Maybe she though she is adorable 2016-10-03T08:21:45 < stvn> i bet 2016-10-03T08:22:02 < LeelooMinai> She wants to play probably and stares - should take here outside or something 2016-10-03T08:22:17 < stvn> nah the fuckin thing just wants to eat anything i have to eat 2016-10-03T08:22:39 < stvn> they have a professional dog walker who comes 3 times a week... i'm going to offer them the dog for free 2016-10-03T08:23:44 < LeelooMinai> I am glad I have a cat - no dog alkers necessary 2016-10-03T08:23:56 < PeterM> dog who sits + stares is 100x better than cat who walks on your keyboad 2016-10-03T08:24:20 < LeelooMinai> E, no, I would feel sorry for the dog 2016-10-03T08:24:22 < stvn> no this dog makes horrid whining noises if you don't let her go in every room you're in 2016-10-03T08:24:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/PjzVlZi.jpg 2016-10-03T08:25:04 < stvn> dongs 2016-10-03T08:25:08 < stvn> that is horribly undersized 2016-10-03T08:25:21 < LeelooMinai> It holds retards under pressure 2016-10-03T08:26:45 < stvn> i wonder if mr.d has a cat 2016-10-03T08:29:15 < stvn> ohsix, did you get released from prison? 2016-10-03T08:30:20 < stvn> ah god 2016-10-03T08:32:12 < stvn> ARMCLANG 2016-10-03T08:42:06 < stvn> i've had too many bongs ohsix 2016-10-03T08:46:38 < stvn> i have a hole in my head and the knowledge fell out 2016-10-03T08:46:59 < stvn> yeah mate 2016-10-03T08:47:23 < stvn> but brother tectu aint there anymore 2016-10-03T08:47:57 < stvn> does it teach you stm32 2016-10-03T08:48:45 < stvn> Laurenceb knows a lot about twitter 2016-10-03T08:54:04 < stvn> the embedded system ohsix 2016-10-03T08:55:20 < stvn> maybe you could be a professional twitter developer 2016-10-03T08:55:37 < stvn> do you have a job 2016-10-03T08:57:34 -!- piper [~user@121-216-234-46.wifi4all.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T09:03:01 < stvn> wtf is sf mate 2016-10-03T09:05:08 < stvn> do you have a geiger counter ohsix 2016-10-03T09:10:31 < dongs> https://67.media.tumblr.com/9657e2ae3492c943423dbf2261e2eb41/tumblr_n9esvuNJoA1tyuv5ko1_500.gif 2016-10-03T09:10:34 < dongs> i do ^ 2016-10-03T09:11:04 < stvn> hey that's my fav gif 2016-10-03T09:14:45 < stvn> i had a dream about autism 2016-10-03T09:19:39 < stvn> and it was so beautiful that god came down from heaven 2016-10-03T09:20:21 < stvn> dongs, what is your favourite c reference manual which isn't 30 years old 2016-10-03T09:22:57 < dongs> the one thats 30 years old 2016-10-03T09:23:01 < dongs> thers nothing wrong wiht it 2016-10-03T09:24:54 < stvn> ok i'll read that again and see where I go 2016-10-03T09:25:02 < stvn> just really need to brush up 2016-10-03T09:27:39 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T09:29:15 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T09:33:08 -!- _franck__ [527f6536@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.127.101.54] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T09:34:12 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.226] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T09:35:18 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-03T09:38:04 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T09:51:03 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-121-71.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-03T09:54:43 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T09:55:17 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-121-71.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T10:04:27 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/IAF3DX86.html we got a live one here 2016-10-03T10:05:13 < stvn> what deep corners of the IRCverse do you have to travel for that? 2016-10-03T10:06:21 < dongs> typical F/OSS irc cahnnel 2016-10-03T10:06:34 < dongs> i think the topic was something about a $20 wifi router vs some opensores solution that costs $100 2016-10-03T10:06:38 < dongs> and requires daily dicking 2016-10-03T10:06:49 < stvn> perfect 2016-10-03T10:07:12 < dongs> when i mentioned my wifi is unencrypted and i'm using a off the shelf router thaT i haven't logged into singe enterin my isp credentials into 2-3 years ago, the guy went batshitinsane 2016-10-03T10:08:07 < dongs> like a mini-o6 with more angst against everyone 2016-10-03T10:08:21 < stvn> lol 2016-10-03T10:08:23 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Holly crap. Are you serious? You use unencrypted Wi-FI...? 2016-10-03T10:08:31 < LeelooMinai> j/k:p 2016-10-03T10:08:41 < stvn> five keystrokes generally send those types on a 30 post rant 2016-10-03T10:10:35 < stvn> all i know is if somebody spied on my internet usage their head would probably melt before anything else 2016-10-03T10:12:26 < PaulFertser> Unencrypted Wi-Fi is fine if you're using IPSec in transport mode for all your LAN hosts ;) 2016-10-03T10:15:04 < dongs> ... 2016-10-03T10:16:53 < stvn> this answers everything https://youtu.be/jskq3-lpQnE?t=2m8s 2016-10-03T10:16:54 < stvn> imo 2016-10-03T10:17:09 < stvn> even #gnu thought it was funny 2016-10-03T10:20:43 < Jak_o_Shadows> the first guy might be right about alabama 2016-10-03T10:24:43 < dongs> holy shit 2016-10-03T10:24:45 < dongs> he's still at it 2016-10-03T10:25:49 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/cloUDt32.html 2016-10-03T10:26:38 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T10:28:42 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-03T10:29:31 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-03T10:29:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T10:30:24 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-03T10:32:18 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T10:32:41 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-03T10:33:09 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T10:33:37 < stvn> ohsix just base64 it to pastebin lul 2016-10-03T10:34:05 < stvn> your stupid picture 2016-10-03T10:35:20 < stvn> pioneer have to train their chinaslaves to build their technics sl1200 clones better 2016-10-03T10:36:14 < stvn> the springloaded headshell contacts must be crimped and not soldered 2016-10-03T10:36:31 < stvn> otherwise the plastic melts and the farken pricks get jammed 2016-10-03T10:37:07 < stvn> ohwell i'll just keep replacing tonearm assys $280 + $100 labour 2016-10-03T10:37:42 < stvn> ohsix, the goyinator has you 2016-10-03T10:38:12 < stvn> something to silence the goyim mate 2016-10-03T10:38:27 < stvn> haven't you read the lectures of dr.laurenceb 2016-10-03T10:41:16 < stvn> 6x10^6 ≠ 1.1x10^6 2016-10-03T10:45:36 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-03T10:46:03 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T10:48:17 < stvn> seven hundred millibytes mate 2016-10-03T11:01:36 < Steffanx> On a scale of -10 to 0. How bored are you curt/steven? 2016-10-03T11:02:26 < dongs> as bored as tectu on weekend 2016-10-03T11:02:59 < Steffanx> Unlikely. 2016-10-03T11:05:19 < stvn> Steffanx, i will paste a reply 2016-10-03T11:05:26 < stvn> just have to wait for this upload mate. 2016-10-03T11:05:46 < stvn> https://vid.me/mHwN 2016-10-03T11:06:04 < stvn> i'm sure you'll find everything you need to know from this media. 2016-10-03T11:07:21 < dongs> oh 2016-10-03T11:07:21 < dongs> 17:06 < dongs> MrBusiness: do you smoke weed 2016-10-03T11:07:22 < dongs> 17:06 < MrBusiness> aye 2016-10-03T11:07:22 < dongs> 17:06 < MrBusiness> been a head most of my adult life 2016-10-03T11:07:22 < dongs> 17:06 < MrBusiness> barely affects me anymore, I prefer hash 2016-10-03T11:08:04 < stvn> GNU is now officially a drug 2016-10-03T11:08:22 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-03T11:08:36 < Steffanx> Its not that you dont claim to be stoned very often mr dongs. 2016-10-03T11:09:39 < stvn> Steffanx, i wanted good C99 reference 2016-10-03T11:09:54 < Steffanx> Google. 2016-10-03T11:10:12 < Steffanx> Then stackoverflow results 2016-10-03T11:10:19 < dongs> hell no 2016-10-03T11:10:23 < stvn> mmmmmmmmmmm 2016-10-03T11:10:54 < stvn> most engineers i know have all the databooks for the first 741 man 2016-10-03T11:11:21 < Steffanx> Poor engineers 2016-10-03T11:11:36 < stvn> capacitor 2016-10-03T11:12:14 < stvn> did you like my video 2016-10-03T11:13:13 < Steffanx> Watched it without sound. So probably missed the fun 2016-10-03T11:13:22 < stvn> yeah it was pretty good 2016-10-03T11:13:46 < stvn> you'll hear that amazing fidelity only a turntable can give (rofl) 2016-10-03T11:14:22 < dongs> wat 2016-10-03T11:14:32 < dongs> where is the link 2016-10-03T11:14:47 < stvn> https://vid.me/mHwN 2016-10-03T11:15:03 < stvn> makin me repost... you're breakin my balls man 2016-10-03T11:15:20 < dongs> lol i did /lastlog youtube and missed it 2016-10-03T11:16:12 < stvn> i'm dead serious when i say i just dropped the needle and that is what came out 2016-10-03T11:18:51 < stvn> nothing is even remotely close to being set up properly with this piece of garbage, the lifter doesn't even 'lift' 2016-10-03T11:27:10 < stvn> wtf 06 2016-10-03T11:29:42 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T11:30:29 < dongs> fsmc mapping on F4 is insane 2016-10-03T11:31:10 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/cCMtQRA.png like, why? 2016-10-03T11:31:34 < dongs> the grouped shit is not anything sane either 2016-10-03T11:31:36 < stvn> why not 2016-10-03T11:31:36 < dongs> its like D4..D12 2016-10-03T11:31:46 < dongs> the other D0..D3 and D13..D15 are scattered elsewehre 2016-10-03T11:31:59 < stvn> par for the course man 2016-10-03T11:33:21 < stvn> wuts the cock speed on this stuff? 2016-10-03T11:33:30 < dongs> slow shit 2016-10-03T11:34:29 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-03T11:35:48 < rewolff> One smart thing that STM did with the STM32 series is that on small pin count devices you have GPIOA, on slightly bigger ones you have GPIOA+B etc. And to be able to be able to put one die in multiple packages, the ports need to be interleaved. 2016-10-03T11:37:10 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T11:37:44 < dongs> and? 2016-10-03T11:38:50 < rewolff> Well that spreads some things out. Puts the burden on your PCB.... Tough luck. :-) 2016-10-03T11:46:07 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T11:52:38 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-03T11:56:28 < Jak_o_Shadows> The DCMI controller is spread out everywhere as well 2016-10-03T11:58:34 < stvn> yeah its so bad, should just use pic32 instead... 2016-10-03T12:00:03 -!- piper [~user@121-216-234-46.wifi4all.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-03T12:23:01 < dongs> time to restart altium 2016-10-03T12:23:09 < dongs> once it starts doing "PLEASE WAIT" shit, even if you save stuff, its over 2016-10-03T12:26:52 < zyp> haha 2016-10-03T12:27:44 < zyp> < dongs> zyp, really now? first of all it hardly ever crashes for me, second, when it DOES crash, its very easy to quiet down the crash dialogs by not movingthe mouse, and then save and quit by keyboard 2016-10-03T12:28:55 < dongs> yes 2016-10-03T12:28:58 < dongs> which is what I just did 2016-10-03T12:29:00 < dongs> then closed it 2016-10-03T12:29:12 < dongs> i didnt move mouse, ctrl+s, ctrl+f4'd teh PCB panel, then exited whole thing 2016-10-03T12:29:45 < dongs> if you move mouse it will try to highlight nets or show other shit and that'll crash it more 2016-10-03T12:35:31 < karlp> does vidme links actually do anything? I just always ge ta play logo and nothing else. 2016-10-03T12:37:21 < dongs> works just fine in my browser 2016-10-03T12:37:25 < dongs> i dont use any faggot extensions tho 2016-10-03T12:39:31 < emeryth> it means 'nerd!' 2016-10-03T12:39:49 < stvn> you just wait till tec2 kicks the door down 2016-10-03T12:44:18 < stvn> ohsix, you could move to japan 2016-10-03T12:44:47 < dongs> immigration doens't issue "hopes and dreams" visa 2016-10-03T12:54:43 -!- fenugrec [~R@142-217-93-241.telebecinternet.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T12:55:46 < stvn> who knows the scheme to get energy from neodymium ? without mechanical move 2016-10-03T12:55:47 < stvn> Yoduza, its on the eevblog forum 2016-10-03T12:55:47 < stvn> there is this cool scientist named dave jones who leads a research team for water fuelled cars too 2016-10-03T12:55:47 < stvn> thank you, stvn 2016-10-03T12:55:48 < stvn> anytime man 2016-10-03T13:04:54 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: for those playing along at home, this is the segment that i like to call bullshit... 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CubeMX is standalone but also integrates with Eclipse, there's Atollic, what else 2016-10-03T17:22:19 < aandrew> i.e. what do the newbs download 2016-10-03T17:22:32 < dongs> apparently that SW4STM32 shit 2016-10-03T17:22:40 < aandrew> no, I don't mean ghetto 2016-10-03T17:22:49 < dongs> do you mean free? 2016-10-03T17:23:07 < dongs> cuz other than Keil/IAR/CrossWorks/MikroElektronica shit theres nothing else as far as I know 2016-10-03T17:23:10 < dongs> (paid) 2016-10-03T17:23:14 < aandrew> I mean when ST wants you to buy their parts, what do they advertise as "use this, it's so easy and awesome to develop for STM32 using this" 2016-10-03T17:23:20 < aandrew> ok 2016-10-03T17:23:21 < dongs> nothing 2016-10-03T17:23:29 < dongs> their samples do IAR/Keil/TrueStudio so 2016-10-03T17:23:41 < aandrew> I figure I'll push him over to Atollic since he was happy with LPCxpresso 2016-10-03T17:24:09 < dongs> but i dont see why you'd use atollic over sw4stm32 2016-10-03T17:24:13 < dongs> its literally same shit 2016-10-03T17:24:16 < dongs> same eclipse trash 2016-10-03T17:33:16 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T17:38:09 < aandrew> interesting 2016-10-03T17:39:39 < aandrew> dongs: hm, I'm mistaken. sw4stm32 is ST's shit. I thought it was some third party oss garbage that was linked here a while ago and looked like it came out of a Geoshitties trash bin 2016-10-03T17:40:23 < dongs> "chibistudio" 2016-10-03T17:52:28 < Steffanx> wut? Chibistudio is also just eclipse based right? 2016-10-03T17:54:19 < emeryth> ST has pushed official arduino IDE code to github recently, so there's that xD 2016-10-03T18:01:25 < dongs> wat 2016-10-03T18:01:27 < dongs> link 2016-10-03T18:01:34 < dongs> Steffanx: yes therefore shit by default 2016-10-03T18:01:50 < dongs> emeryth: link 2016-10-03T18:02:01 < Steffanx> blablablalba dongs. 2016-10-03T18:02:19 < dongs> https://github.com/STMicroelectronics 2016-10-03T18:02:24 < dongs> what a fucking useless url 2016-10-03T18:06:40 < Steffanx> Thanks for posting it then ;) 2016-10-03T18:08:17 < emeryth> dongs: https://github.com/stm32duino 2016-10-03T18:08:27 < dongs> thats not official ST tho 2016-10-03T18:08:39 < dongs> thats same troll thats been doing it for years 2016-10-03T18:08:41 < dongs> with maple trash 2016-10-03T18:09:17 < emeryth> @fpistm is apparently ST 2016-10-03T18:09:42 < emeryth> and it's some new stuff 2016-10-03T18:09:47 < dongs> ah hm 2016-10-03T18:11:19 < emeryth> arduino.org was supposed to release some STM32 boards, this may be related 2016-10-03T18:13:11 -!- Laurenceb__ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-03T18:15:21 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-03T18:17:26 < emeryth> https://github.com/fpistm/STM 2016-10-03T18:19:23 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T18:20:04 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-03T18:24:00 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T18:30:02 < dongs> right 2016-10-03T18:30:35 < dongs> hmm, HAL lol 2016-10-03T18:34:05 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T18:34:45 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Tectu] by ChanServ 2016-10-03T18:34:53 -!- mode/##stm32 [-q Laurenceb!*@*] by Tectu, Tectu 2016-10-03T18:34:54 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Tectu] by ChanServ 2016-10-03T18:34:54 < dongs> uh oh 2016-10-03T18:34:59 < dongs> tectu means business today 2016-10-03T18:35:05 < Tectu> Hi o/ 2016-10-03T18:35:25 < dongs> Tectu: why the fuck are there double precision constants, double-precision math, and bunch of float>double>float conversions all over uGFX code? 2016-10-03T18:35:38 < dongs> is there anything that requires doubleprecision at any point? 2016-10-03T18:35:55 < Tectu> there are macros to control that 2016-10-03T18:35:58 < Tectu> also, #ugfx 2016-10-03T18:36:00 < Tectu> and also, yes 2016-10-03T18:36:14 < dongs> ive seen them, but i see just dumb code 2016-10-03T18:36:16 < dongs> and lots of it 2016-10-03T18:36:19 < Tectu> stuff like polygon handling, transformation and so on 2016-10-03T18:36:25 < dongs> link me to example that requires double 2016-10-03T18:36:27 < Tectu> all of it can be enabled & disabled on demand 2016-10-03T18:36:39 < Tectu> look at the polygon example 2016-10-03T18:36:52 < Tectu> also, afk 15min 2016-10-03T18:37:21 < Thorn> dumble 2016-10-03T18:48:36 < Tectu> Mr. Thorn active in ##stm32 again? 2016-10-03T18:51:11 < Ultrasauce> that was not fifteen minutes you lied to us 2016-10-03T18:51:38 < Tectu> different time zones man 2016-10-03T18:51:55 < Ultrasauce> oh ok 2016-10-03T18:53:08 < BrainDamage> time is distorted in switzerland due to proximity of the lhc 2016-10-03T18:53:34 < Tectu> :D 2016-10-03T18:54:09 < dongs> tectu, still waiting for that link where double precision is needed 2016-10-03T18:55:21 < Tectu> dongs, what are you talking about? 2016-10-03T18:55:25 < Tectu> dongs, are you talking about GMSIC? 2016-10-03T18:55:32 < Tectu> dongs, also, still #ugfx 2016-10-03T18:55:50 < dongs> tectu, do you know the difference between double and float constants / and things from math.h 2016-10-03T18:56:04 < Tectu> ... 2016-10-03T18:56:13 < Tectu> I'm not starting that kind of conversation with you 2016-10-03T18:56:30 < dongs> ok you asked for it, now lemme start linking real code 2016-10-03T18:56:33 < Tectu> stuff like what you find in GMISC has been added because it was required for customer specific applications. Everything is turned off by default. 2016-10-03T18:56:44 < dongs> https://git.ugfx.io/uGFX/uGFX/src/master/src/gmisc/gmisc_trig.c#L142 2016-10-03T18:57:08 < dongs> you have a double constant, double version of sqrt, and several d2f / f2d conversions 2016-10-03T18:57:12 < dongs> in just that one part 2016-10-03T18:57:25 < Tectu> so? 2016-10-03T18:57:25 < dongs> anytime your code pulls in double emulation library on embedded, you've failed 2016-10-03T18:57:29 < Tectu> dude 2016-10-03T18:57:35 < dongs> because you just added several k of binary code 2016-10-03T18:57:39 < Tectu> that stuff is turned off by default 2016-10-03T18:57:42 < Tectu> look at the config file 2016-10-03T18:57:42 < dongs> thats not the point 2016-10-03T18:57:44 < dongs> it fails when its on 2016-10-03T18:58:06 < Tectu> what's your proposal? 2016-10-03T18:58:14 < dongs> your one-degree-accuracy sin/cos lookup table is full of double constants also for no reason 2016-10-03T18:58:47 < dongs> my question was, please show me some code where double accuracy is required 2016-10-03T18:58:56 < dongs> and a testcase where computing in floats results in differeent output than doubles 2016-10-03T18:59:21 < Tectu> as mentioned, most of the GMISC stuff has been used for customers specific stuff that is not part of the /demos. 2016-10-03T18:59:41 < Tectu> I'll investigate the float/double issue you mentioned and check with andrew. 2016-10-03T19:00:18 < Thorn> why is it committed? why is it on master? 2016-10-03T19:00:35 < Steffanx> because it works ;) 2016-10-03T19:01:09 < Tectu> note that you are not supposed to turn shit on that you don't need anyway 2016-10-03T19:01:13 < Thorn> I guess #ifdefs help with that 2016-10-03T19:01:14 < dongs> https://git.ugfx.io/uGFX/uGFX/src/master/src/gdisp/gdisp.c#L1725 2016-10-03T19:01:16 < dongs> also here 2016-10-03T19:02:03 < Tectu> Thorn, that's what we do: https://git.ugfx.io/uGFX/uGFX/src/master/gfxconf.example.h 2016-10-03T19:02:41 < Tectu> dongs, are you going to elaborate on that link or will you just continue posting stuff pretending that you are the best programmer on the world? :) 2016-10-03T19:03:28 < dongs> Tectu: the issues are same 2016-10-03T19:03:34 < dongs> double constants, double versions of math.h stuff 2016-10-03T19:03:36 < Thorn> google how not to take code reviews personally lol 2016-10-03T19:04:05 < Tectu> dongs, thanks for showing that. that's a commit from andrew from this weekend, I didn't go through it yet: https://git.ugfx.io/uGFX/uGFX/commit/e3a0cff0008905a1a910694b18c62e8702dafc5d 2016-10-03T19:04:30 < dongs> yeah, original code he "fixed' was still fucked tho 2016-10-03T19:04:57 < dongs> all math stuff has -f suffix versions for float, like sinf, cosf, roundf, floorf, etc. 2016-10-03T19:05:08 < dongs> anything that looks ilke x.y must have 'f' suffix for it to be float 2016-10-03T19:05:23 < dongs> same goes for GFX_PI constant or wahtever 2016-10-03T19:05:50 < Tectu> I'll put that on the ToDo list 2016-10-03T19:05:50 < dongs> like i said thats just one bit that i noticed cause I was looking for something in that area 2016-10-03T19:05:51 < Tectu> err 2016-10-03T19:05:57 < Tectu> just a question 2016-10-03T19:05:59 < dongs> there could be more 2016-10-03T19:06:14 < Steffanx> but fsin is also a double, so why make the constant float dongs? 2016-10-03T19:06:24 < dongs> because fsin shouldnt be double 2016-10-03T19:06:34 < dongs> its already made out of a shity 1-degree-accuracy lookup table 2016-10-03T19:06:40 < Thorn> also note that c / c++ compilers take floating point code much more literally than integer code, i.e. don't optimize it much 2016-10-03T19:06:42 < Tectu> dongs, yeah sure. Any kind of improvements are welcomed. uGFX is like most shit far from perfect 2016-10-03T19:10:27 < Tectu> dongs, also, regarding my initial statement of "polygon crap uses it" -> I thought you were talking about other stuff 2016-10-03T19:12:48 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T19:15:35 < Tectu> dongs, probably a stupid question but will a 32-bit compiler/architecture actually expand 1.0 to double? 2016-10-03T19:15:45 < Tectu> as in: Does the standard specify that? 2016-10-03T19:16:25 < Thorn> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/w9bk1wcy.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396 http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/floating_literal 2016-10-03T19:16:48 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-03T19:17:02 < dongs> Tectu: yes 2016-10-03T19:17:09 < dongs> you should look at assembler listing 2016-10-03T19:17:14 < dongs> for the parts you dont know/undestand 2016-10-03T19:17:19 < dongs> you'll see what happens with stuff 2016-10-03T19:17:25 < Tectu> I am trying to do that right now 2016-10-03T19:17:49 < Tectu> didn't see a difference, that's why I asked 2016-10-03T19:18:03 < Tectu> anyway, I put that on the ToDo list. thanks for mentioning it 2016-10-03T19:18:28 -!- brianx [~brianx@unaffiliated/brianx] has left ##stm32 ["WeeChat 1.5"] 2016-10-03T19:18:33 < dongs> you can (and should) also look at the .map file 2016-10-03T19:18:40 < dongs> and see which parts of stdlib are being linked 2016-10-03T19:19:10 < dongs> or libm i guess with GAYGCC 2016-10-03T19:21:02 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T19:26:25 < Tectu> will do, noted it down. 2016-10-03T19:29:20 < Tectu> anything else to rage about that I should take care of? 2016-10-03T19:29:28 < dongs> not yet 2016-10-03T19:29:39 < dongs> i have this comment tho 2016-10-03T19:29:49 < dongs> 11:49 < upgrdman> so ugfx is $ right, but open source? 2016-10-03T19:29:49 < dongs> 11:49 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-03T19:29:49 < dongs> 11:49 < dongs> if you use it in commercial shit and dont tell tectu, then you're A-OK 2016-10-03T19:32:06 < Tectu> well, do you prefer closed sources? 2016-10-03T19:32:12 < Tectu> pre-compiled .a? :) 2016-10-03T19:32:22 < dongs> then i'd have nothing to rage about 2016-10-03T19:32:23 < Thorn> he may ban you on ##stm32 2016-10-03T19:32:43 < dongs> hehe he cant ban me for beign right tho 2016-10-03T19:34:56 < Tectu> yeah, nobody can force you not to be a jerk 2016-10-03T19:36:05 < Thorn> anyway open source is a big selling point for me 2016-10-03T19:36:48 < Tectu> yeah, always asking engineers that pick uGFX after evaluating a set of different solutions why they went with uGFX and "open sorez" is most of the times one of the top 5 reasons 2016-10-03T19:37:23 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T19:38:12 < Steffanx> One can read the source, that doesn't make it open source like most people interpret "open source" 2016-10-03T19:39:09 < Steffanx> beter ask jpa- 2016-10-03T19:39:29 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T19:39:57 < Tectu> that's why uGFX states "sorez 100% open" 2016-10-03T19:40:22 < Tectu> and "the entire source code is open" 2016-10-03T19:41:06 < dongs> but not RMS-open 2016-10-03T19:41:27 < Tectu> fuck RMS 2016-10-03T19:41:36 < Rickta59> sad is is the face of OSS 2016-10-03T19:41:44 < Rickta59> sad is .. he is 2016-10-03T19:42:14 < Steffanx> Language tectu. Language. 2016-10-03T19:42:16 < Tectu> as much as I appreciate what he and other people did/are doing, he's just a lunatic 2016-10-03T19:42:23 < Rickta59> +1 2016-10-03T19:43:11 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-03T19:43:31 < Rickta59> i remember in the 80's before him when usenet had the comp.source.* newsgroups 2016-10-03T19:43:46 < karlp> Tectu: from some testing I was doign recently in libopencm3, using the f suffix on floats made well over order of magnitude differences in timings for some things I was doing on f3 and f4. 2016-10-03T19:44:06 < Steffanx> 59 is your birth year rickta59? 2016-10-03T19:44:07 < Tectu> karlp, interesting. I definitely have to clean that stuff up. 2016-10-03T19:44:11 < Rickta59> yeah 2016-10-03T19:44:20 < Steffanx> Hah ok 2016-10-03T19:45:08 < karlp> on f1 and things it wasn't such an enormous difference, but still very real 2016-10-03T19:45:21 < Tectu> karlp, how does double foo[...] = { 124.2, 349.3, 185,3 ...} compare to with the f suffix? I mean the type clearly states that it's a float. 2016-10-03T19:45:56 < Steffanx> Double* 2016-10-03T19:46:15 < Tectu> err, yeah.... replace that double with float 2016-10-03T19:46:19 < Tectu> sleepy tectu is sleepy 2016-10-03T19:46:38 < dongs> you should have explicit float suffix on every constant 2016-10-03T19:46:41 < dongs> 124.2f etc. 2016-10-03T19:46:55 < Thorn> in this case the compiler will convert literal values 2016-10-03T19:47:46 < Tectu> hmm 2016-10-03T19:47:55 < Tectu> well, I put it on the ToDo list. can't bother doing that tonight 2016-10-03T19:48:21 < dongs> should just get used to all literls being -f suffix to make sure they dont get converted 2016-10-03T19:48:31 < dongs> and check map/asm for d2f/f2d stuff 2016-10-03T19:48:39 < Rickta59> or "-fsingle-precision" for gcc 2016-10-03T19:48:40 < Tectu> will do :) 2016-10-03T19:49:00 < Rickta59> or "-fsingle-precision-constant" for gcc 2016-10-03T19:49:10 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-03T19:49:12 < Thorn> https://gcc.godbolt.org/ <- instant assembly listing for code snippets 2016-10-03T19:49:49 < Tectu> Thorn, that is what I used just a few minutes ago to test it with the invsqrt() thing that dongs linked. That's why I asked whether it actually makes a difference on a 32-bit arch/compiler cuz I didn't see any 2016-10-03T19:50:05 < dongs> is that building wiht arm compiler? 2016-10-03T19:50:15 < Tectu> I selected the arm compiler. 2016-10-03T19:50:20 < Tectu> ARM GCC 4.aids 2016-10-03T19:50:26 < Tectu> damn that dongs mode 2016-10-03T19:50:28 < Thorn> gcc and clang for different archs 2016-10-03T19:52:00 < jpa-> did you put the options to use cortex-m4f? 2016-10-03T19:52:20 < jpa-> i think default is cortex-A or something that has 64-bit FPU 2016-10-03T19:53:09 < Rickta59> didn't seem to build for cortex-m3 when i added -mcpu=cortex-m3 -mthumb 2016-10-03T19:53:21 < Rickta59> still generated hardware floating point instructions 2016-10-03T19:54:42 < karlp> Tectu: you get lucky when you have some arrays, but it's never good to try and "know" when you can get awway with not using the f suffix. 2016-10-03T19:54:51 < jpa-> Rickta59: ah, indeed 2016-10-03T19:54:55 < karlp> Rickta59: -fsingle-precision has a whole heap of other sideaffects. 2016-10-03T19:55:08 < Tectu> jpa-, can't get it to do the right thing. 2016-10-03T19:55:11 < Tectu> ah, Rickta59 alerady mentioned it 2016-10-03T19:55:17 < jpa-> it's probably building for linux usermode and relies on kernel to do the fpu emulation or something 2016-10-03T19:56:00 < jpa-> yeah, useless tool for this purpose 2016-10-03T19:56:00 < Rickta59> -mthumb -mcpu=cortex-m3 -mfloat-abi=soft -fsingle-precision-constant closer 2016-10-03T19:56:34 < Tectu> jup, that's why I asked mr. dongs whether it actually matters 2016-10-03T19:57:28 < Thorn> in c++ stuff like sin() and cos() is overloaded, so cos(1.0) and cos(1.0f) are calls to 2 different functions with different return types 2016-10-03T19:58:20 < Thorn> (#include ) 2016-10-03T19:58:39 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T19:59:17 < Rickta59> https://godbolt.org/g/I5Uzs7 2016-10-03T19:59:53 < Rickta59> if you remover the -fsingle-precision-constant you can see it reverts back to using doubles as the default 2016-10-03T20:00:26 < Thorn> this is why it's best to remove it and play with 0.1 vs. 0.1f instead 2016-10-03T20:02:00 < Thorn> so that the compiler is behaving in a standards compliant way 2016-10-03T20:03:03 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T20:06:25 < Thorn> you could also add -Og for more readable assembly 2016-10-03T20:10:02 -!- I-Wish [~I-Wish@85.254.77.58] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T20:12:46 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.62] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T20:24:12 < karlp> is there any better place than any others to buy ~700-1000maH flat pouch lipos? like https://www.adafruit.com/product/258 but not with aidfruit surchage 2016-10-03T20:24:31 < karlp> I guess the bigger problem is finding the right fucking connectors that were used. 2016-10-03T20:26:56 < Thorn> https://www.sparkfun.com/search/results?term=Lithium looks like more or less same prices 2016-10-03T20:32:17 < jpa-> i usually look from powerstream or smallbatterycompany if i want something special, but they aren't particularly cheap 2016-10-03T20:33:10 < karlp> hrmm, peterm had some 18650 pcb mount cages didn't he? 2016-10-03T20:33:45 < jpa-> is that different than plain old 18650 battery holder? 2016-10-03T20:33:58 < karlp> no, but that size instead of AA sized 2016-10-03T20:34:04 < karlp> http://imgur.com/a/5nycX 2016-10-03T20:34:15 < karlp> though I can't seem to find the part number of them in zypsnips 2016-10-03T20:34:42 < jpa-> i've only bought them from ebay 2016-10-03T20:34:49 < Ultrasauce> think that price is actually competitive to any source in NA 2016-10-03T20:36:42 < Ultrasauce> 18650 will definitely be more cost effective if you dont need high discharge current 2016-10-03T20:36:58 < jpa-> generally safer than soft pouches also 2016-10-03T20:37:05 < karlp> hrm, might do that then. 2016-10-03T20:37:26 < karlp> nah, jsut 7 leds and a bit of wifi. 2016-10-03T20:38:06 < karlp> can just buy these too I guess: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/keystone-electronics/54/36-54-ND/2254090 2016-10-03T20:38:25 < jpa-> for safe batteries, i usually use classic nokia ones like BL5C etc; available everywhere cheaply and have protection built-in 2016-10-03T20:40:14 < karlp> need to mount it then. 2016-10-03T20:40:36 < jpa-> yeah 2016-10-03T20:41:03 < karlp> prices on 18650 seems wayyy cheap. I guess half of them are garbage on ebay 2016-10-03T20:41:23 < Ultrasauce> http://www.batteryspace.com/18650-battery.aspx 2016-10-03T20:41:27 < Ultrasauce> think this place is reputable 2016-10-03T20:42:01 < karlp> yeah, a littttttle different than http://www.ebay.com/itm/10PCS-3-7V-6000mAh-18650-Li-ion-Rechargeable-Battery-for-Flashlight-GU-/351548279096?hash=item51d9e90938:g:DH4AAOSwAYtWHNSx 2016-10-03T20:42:28 < jpa-> haha 6000mAh 2016-10-03T20:42:38 < karlp> this one is 9900: http://www.ebay.com/itm/4pcs-3-7V-18650-9900mah-Li-ion-Rechargeable-Battery-For-LED-Flashlight-Torch-LO-/161933546105?hash=item25b3fdd279:g:JuIAAOSwZG9WhJCM 2016-10-03T20:42:41 < karlp> surrrre 2016-10-03T20:42:49 < aandrew> it's entirely possible 2016-10-03T20:42:50 < BrainDamage> over 9000 2016-10-03T20:42:53 < jpa-> i never knew battery technology was advancing so fast 2016-10-03T20:43:05 < aandrew> doesn't mean you'll get that energy at a useful current level :-) 2016-10-03T20:43:13 < Ultrasauce> it's the summed capacity of the set of batteries 2016-10-03T20:44:01 < aandrew> haha 2016-10-03T20:44:33 < karlp> 18650 avoids bloody connector hell too. 2016-10-03T20:44:37 < karlp> ok, good plan 2016-10-03T20:44:53 < aandrew> 18650s are intended to be spot welded 2016-10-03T20:45:19 < jpa-> doesn't stop from putting into socket 2016-10-03T20:46:06 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.62] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-03T20:48:34 < aandrew> no, but that's not their intended use 2016-10-03T20:48:53 < aandrew> IIRC sockets don't ensure a solid fit on the contacts? didn't ever do it 2016-10-03T20:49:30 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-03T20:50:08 < BrainDamage> you won't be able to use them at nominal rating of current 2016-10-03T20:50:17 < BrainDamage> but for most people, it doesn't matter 2016-10-03T20:53:24 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-03T20:54:04 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2016-10-03T20:54:36 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T20:58:40 -!- Laurenceb [~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T21:01:16 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-03T21:21:52 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T21:27:32 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.162.214] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T21:28:26 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T21:30:37 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T21:33:56 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T21:41:27 < LeelooMinai> Remainds me of this guy: http://hackaday.com/2016/09/29/homebrew-powerwall-sitting-at-20kwh/ 2016-10-03T21:41:46 < LeelooMinai> Lot's of 18650s:) 2016-10-03T21:46:23 < gxti> i still don't understand how 18650s can be the most efficient way to do anything 2016-10-03T21:47:19 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-03T21:51:56 < BrainDamage> well, if your structure is already cylindrical, 18650 fit the bill nicely 2016-10-03T21:52:00 < BrainDamage> eg a flashlight 2016-10-03T21:52:43 < BrainDamage> plus unlike the pouches, theyare mechanically resilient 2016-10-03T21:53:04 < BrainDamage> and user replaceable 2016-10-03T21:56:29 < gxti> yeah sure, i mean for electric cars and house banks 2016-10-03T21:57:05 < gxti> it seems like a more suitable form factor would reap enough savings to make up for the lack of commodity sources, but i am apparently wrong otherwise they wouldn't be doing it 2016-10-03T22:12:55 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-03T22:18:59 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.162.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-03T22:19:26 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T22:23:09 -!- steve____ [84e6ef0e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.132.230.239.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T22:25:48 < steve____> hi guys, trying to perform a sector erase from SRAM on a stm32f7. It works fine except for sector 0 (contains my main program). The erase is performed but the BSY flag stays high forever afterwards. Any ideas? 2016-10-03T22:26:22 < steve____> I've already checked with objdump if the function which performs the sector erase is located in SRAM 2016-10-03T22:29:52 -!- Laurenceb__ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T22:35:11 -!- zapb__ [~zapb@static.61.224.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T22:44:35 -!- mode/##stm32 [-q *!*@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] by ChanServ 2016-10-03T22:47:59 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-03T22:48:35 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T22:52:06 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-03T22:52:58 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2603:3023:50a:4600:1067:b0d6:ee81:b559] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T22:53:12 -!- steve____ [84e6ef0e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.132.230.239.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-03T22:54:08 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-03T22:54:15 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-03T22:59:02 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T23:09:18 < Tectu> wut. 2016-10-03T23:09:24 < Tectu> seriously? 2016-10-03T23:09:33 < BrainDamage> that tesla uses them it's true 2016-10-03T23:09:55 < Tectu> I know about the tesla stuff, didn't know about the ISS stuff 2016-10-03T23:10:07 < Tectu> englishman, I became a space guy after uGFX was already 2 years old. 2016-10-03T23:10:32 < Thorn> there is a git command to fix whitespace 2016-10-03T23:10:55 < Tectu> Thorn has so much wisdom to share 2016-10-03T23:12:36 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T23:14:57 < Steffanx> "Fix" 2016-10-03T23:15:09 -!- fenugrec [~R@142.217.93.241] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T23:15:40 < Thorn> https://eev.ee/blog/2016/06/04/converting-a-git-repo-from-tabs-to-spaces/ 2016-10-03T23:15:57 < Steffanx> But why? 2016-10-03T23:18:17 < Rob235> to piss off Richard Hendricks 2016-10-03T23:18:55 < Steffanx> Who? 2016-10-03T23:19:01 < vampi-the-frog> Dicky H. 2016-10-03T23:19:06 < Rob235> guess you never watched the show Silicon Valley 2016-10-03T23:19:11 < vampi-the-frog> Handy Dick 2016-10-03T23:19:14 < Steffanx> Nope 2016-10-03T23:19:28 < Steffanx> Is it comedy? 2016-10-03T23:19:36 < Rob235> yea about a tech startup 2016-10-03T23:20:15 < Steffanx> I hate comedy. Im even kinda surprised that i watch tbbt. 2016-10-03T23:20:26 < Rob235> tbbt? 2016-10-03T23:20:34 < Steffanx> Big bang. 2016-10-03T23:20:38 < Thorn> The Big Bad Tectu 2016-10-03T23:20:44 < Rob235> oh, never got into that, didn't appeal to me 2016-10-03T23:20:50 < Steffanx> Tectu aint big. 2016-10-03T23:20:54 < Rob235> this is a hbo or showtime show though 2016-10-03T23:21:01 < Tectu> better got 2016-10-03T23:21:25 < Steffanx> And LotR 2016-10-03T23:21:30 < Tectu> -__- 2016-10-03T23:21:50 < Steffanx> Hows batman tectu? 2016-10-03T23:21:55 < Steffanx> Watched it yet? 2016-10-03T23:22:02 < Tectu> still archived 2016-10-03T23:22:07 < BrainDamage> the bimbo bad tectu 2016-10-03T23:22:09 < Steffanx> :( 2016-10-03T23:22:15 < Tectu> even forgot about it 2016-10-03T23:22:31 < Steffanx> Ill remind you daily ok? 2016-10-03T23:22:40 < Tectu> sounds good! 2016-10-03T23:22:47 < Tectu> but this weekend will be somewhat busy so... 2016-10-03T23:22:55 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T23:23:05 < Steffanx> You are too sexy braindamage. 2016-10-03T23:23:43 < Tectu> you mean tectu? 2016-10-03T23:23:46 < BrainDamage> sorry, a lifetime of disappointments make me reject even internet jokes 2016-10-03T23:25:26 < Rob235> on that note my mother passed away 3 years ago today :( 2016-10-03T23:25:42 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-03T23:26:50 < Steffanx> Ok. Anyway else has something for our group talk? 2016-10-03T23:27:01 < Tectu> I hate Laurenceb. 2016-10-03T23:27:44 < Rob235> I hate R2COM 2016-10-03T23:28:18 < BrainDamage> i think laurenceb is the emmanuel goldsteinof stm32 2016-10-03T23:28:28 < Tectu> do I need to google that one, BrainDamage ? 2016-10-03T23:28:29 < LeelooMinai> I hate everyone on the channel with nick that has the sum of ascii codes that is prime. 2016-10-03T23:28:30 < Steffanx> We really need to play this gun game of Tectu,s photo once 2016-10-03T23:28:42 < BrainDamage> Tectu: if you want 2016-10-03T23:28:51 < BrainDamage> reading 1984 would be better 2016-10-03T23:29:01 < Steffanx> Reading :o 2016-10-03T23:29:04 < Rob235> my gf's fav book 2016-10-03T23:29:07 < Rob235> and year I was born 2016-10-03T23:29:16 < Steffanx> Better watch thr movie 2016-10-03T23:29:18 < Rob235> any more useless facts we can come up with? 2016-10-03T23:29:27 < Tectu> I wanted to ask you that very same question 2016-10-03T23:29:41 < Thorn> Tectu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4zYlOU7Fpk delivered 2016-10-03T23:29:43 < Steffanx> Facts are never useless 2016-10-03T23:30:03 < BrainDamage> can you ask the designer to also make a version of the logo that spells it uguuFX 2016-10-03T23:30:12 < BrainDamage> so we can use it in the channel? 2016-10-03T23:30:26 < Tectu> sure 2016-10-03T23:32:29 < Steffanx> Im not sure whats so special about uguu 2016-10-03T23:33:02 < Tectu> I was wondering the very same thing 2016-10-03T23:33:09 < Tectu> but I'm getting old, I guess I don't play with the cool kids anymore 2016-10-03T23:33:13 < BrainDamage> it's some bullshit onomatopea that's a trope in anime 2016-10-03T23:33:25 < BrainDamage> which is considered "kawaii" 2016-10-03T23:33:41 < Tectu> since when do you anime, Mr. BrainDamage ? 2016-10-03T23:34:08 < Steffanx> The latter 2016-10-03T23:34:15 < BrainDamage> Tectu: not really? but being on the internet you're exposed to all sort of memes and topes 2016-10-03T23:34:44 < BrainDamage> i know what the kardashians are despite not having seen a pic of them once 2016-10-03T23:34:52 < BrainDamage> just because everyone complains about them 2016-10-03T23:35:06 < Tectu> stop wasting so much of your time then 2016-10-03T23:35:13 < Steffanx> Memes such. 2016-10-03T23:35:15 < Steffanx> K 2016-10-03T23:35:37 < kakimir> where is our memetics guy? 2016-10-03T23:35:48 < Tectu> got quieted 2016-10-03T23:36:09 -!- Steffannn [uid97872@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rihiampsjulbtctn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T23:36:24 < Steffanx> Laurenceb__ killed himself after a day of no link posts 2016-10-03T23:36:31 < BrainDamage> i'll make sure to appoint you as my personal schedule manager, make sre to be available 24/7 since i'll start asking before scheduling even a bathroom break 2016-10-03T23:37:05 < BrainDamage> i wrote a hook for laurenceb's links once, but it never worked properly 2016-10-03T23:37:08 < Steffanx> Hah. Good luck tectu 2016-10-03T23:37:16 < kakimir> hook? 2016-10-03T23:37:30 < Tectu> BrainDamage, how's getting to brig going along? 2016-10-03T23:37:34 < BrainDamage> it'd auto reply with some variation of "not funny laurenceb" everytime he'd post a link to an image or a video 2016-10-03T23:39:04 < kakimir> anyone seen any new nice oled modules? 2016-10-03T23:39:06 < BrainDamage> Tectu: i only need to renew my id and if you want i can even get there, say, sunday after next 2016-10-03T23:39:08 < kakimir> bigger ones? 2016-10-03T23:41:29 < Tectu> BrainDamage, I'll get back to that 2016-10-03T23:42:45 < Steffannn> No you wont 2016-10-03T23:43:05 < Steffannn> You forget it like batman 2016-10-03T23:43:33 < Steffannn> You will* 2016-10-03T23:44:28 < BrainDamage> my main concern is that he'd try to slip a rhohypnol in the beer, and i'd wake up in a trash dump with a sore ass 2016-10-03T23:44:47 < BrainDamage> compared to that scenario, forgetting is quite ok 2016-10-03T23:45:00 < Rob235> sounds like a good night to me 2016-10-03T23:45:15 < Steffannn> Sounds like the mostly likely scenario 2016-10-03T23:47:55 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xyxdqsepjsvuatns] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-03T23:49:28 < Thorn> he's in a meeting with Dr. Bright right now 2016-10-03T23:52:46 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2016-10-03T23:54:06 < Tectu> BrainDamage, that's not my style of raping 2016-10-03T23:54:36 < vampi-the-frog> you know what they call a gay dinosaur? 2016-10-03T23:54:58 < kakimir> hello ohsix 2016-10-03T23:55:18 < kakimir> your nick disturbs me 2016-10-03T23:55:27 < kakimir> I can't get grab of it 2016-10-03T23:55:41 < Tectu> would you like me to grab something else for you? 2016-10-03T23:55:52 < vampi-the-frog> mega-sore-ass 2016-10-03T23:55:54 < vampi-the-frog> anyway 2016-10-03T23:56:00 < Tectu> gtfo vampi-the-frog 2016-10-03T23:56:09 < Tectu> BrainDamage, what's the financial load on that for you anyway? 2016-10-03T23:56:13 < vampi-the-frog> can someone explain how to get an interrupt ? 2016-10-03T23:56:21 < vampi-the-frog> who decides what the callback name is? 2016-10-03T23:56:28 < vampi-the-frog> is there an example? 2016-10-03T23:56:39 < kakimir> grab some whole milk for me then 2016-10-03T23:57:28 < kakimir> ohsix: 06? 2016-10-03T23:57:48 < kakimir> military alphabet 2016-10-03T23:58:08 < LeelooMinai> vampi-the-frog: There's an interrupt table, typically with weak function names - if the linker finds matching name it will put the address into that table position, if not, no error, just no interrupt handler. 2016-10-03T23:58:23 < vampi-the-frog> hm that's interesting 2016-10-03T23:58:28 < vampi-the-frog> does that have to do with the linker script? 2016-10-03T23:58:46 < Tectu> no 2016-10-03T23:58:47 < LeelooMinai> I think it's typically defined in some sytem.s file 2016-10-03T23:58:50 < vampi-the-frog> ok 2016-10-03T23:58:53 < Tectu> the linker script just defines what goes where in the memory, vampi-the-frog 2016-10-03T23:58:55 < Thorn> yes the ld script puts it at the right address 2016-10-03T23:59:14 < Tectu> yeah but the linker script has nothing to do with the interrupt table itself nor the "weak definitions" 2016-10-03T23:59:23 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Tue Oct 04 2016 2016-10-04T00:00:07 < Thorn> what about ENTRY(Reset_handler) 2016-10-04T00:00:08 < LeelooMinai> linker script is more about overall layput of the memory and how segments of it are mapped to addresses. 2016-10-04T00:00:16 < Thorn> that's a symbol from the vector table 2016-10-04T00:00:33 < vampi-the-frog> is there a standard name for these functions? 2016-10-04T00:00:40 < LeelooMinai> Don't think so 2016-10-04T00:00:55 < vampi-the-frog> I just don't know what I should be looking for 2016-10-04T00:01:10 < Thorn> only if you consider startup code that ships with stdperiph/cubemx standard 2016-10-04T00:01:12 < LeelooMinai> What are you looking for? :p 2016-10-04T00:01:14 < vampi-the-frog> how do I add an interrupt callback to existing code 2016-10-04T00:01:21 < Thorn> iirc libopencm3 has its own names 2016-10-04T00:01:29 < vampi-the-frog> well the code is generated by cubemx 2016-10-04T00:01:41 < vampi-the-frog> do I need to enable NVIC in cubemx when generating? 2016-10-04T00:01:47 < LeelooMinai> vampi-the-frog: Find the .s file with weak definitions and defined a function in your code that matches them 2016-10-04T00:01:52 < Thorn> so then you have void Diarrhea_Handler(void); etc. 2016-10-04T00:02:36 < Tectu> lol 2016-10-04T00:02:48 < vampi-the-frog> good spelling on that 2016-10-04T00:03:06 < LeelooMinai> vampi-the-frog: If it's STM32/Cube stuff, look at this file: http://i.imgur.com/W4ZUWrY.png 2016-10-04T00:03:32 < LeelooMinai> _it is interrupts 2016-10-04T00:03:43 < vampi-the-frog> ahh ok 2016-10-04T00:04:32 < vampi-the-frog> I was half expecting a joke png but that makes sense 2016-10-04T00:04:46 < vampi-the-frog> it also says refer to startup_stm32f1xx.s 2016-10-04T00:04:58 < LeelooMinai> Well, good troll will keep it mixed 50/50, so one never knows:p 2016-10-04T00:05:34 < vampi-the-frog> ah so I've found the names 2016-10-04T00:05:39 < vampi-the-frog> EXTI0_IRQHandler 2016-10-04T00:05:46 < vampi-the-frog> and EXTI1 and so on 2016-10-04T00:05:56 < vampi-the-frog> do these correspond to ports A, B, C and so on? 2016-10-04T00:06:12 < LeelooMinai> No, pins 2016-10-04T00:07:42 < LeelooMinai> At least on my current L4 you have 16 of those, each for pin, but you can vary the port number for each one. 2016-10-04T00:07:55 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-04T00:08:05 < LeelooMinai> So, I think it's not possible to have interrupts for, say, pin A3 and B3 at the same time. 2016-10-04T00:08:40 * karlp facepalms: USART_CR1(USART2) |= ~USART_CR1_TCIE; 2016-10-04T00:09:03 < LeelooMinai> &= ? :) 2016-10-04T00:09:30 < karlp> no, wanted |=, but forgot to drop the ~ when I copied it from the disable line :) 2016-10-04T00:09:52 < vampi-the-frog> I seem to have EXTI0 through EXTI4 2016-10-04T00:09:57 < vampi-the-frog> so that's odd 2016-10-04T00:10:09 < vampi-the-frog> anyway, in order for the callback to be called, I have to init the NVIC? 2016-10-04T00:11:05 < Tectu> karlp, thats why I always write &=~ in one piece 2016-10-04T00:11:28 < LeelooMinai> vampi-the-frog: I think the easier way is to use CubeMX - it will do the right thing if you select a pin as EXTI 2016-10-04T00:11:34 < Tectu> BrainDamage still alive? 2016-10-04T00:12:23 < LeelooMinai> vampi-the-frog: It will do something like this: 2016-10-04T00:12:25 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/KnjWuRJ.png 2016-10-04T00:12:56 < vampi-the-frog> hmm yes but how do I select edge and whatnot 2016-10-04T00:12:58 < LeelooMinai> One can also choose if it should be on a rising and falling edge. 2016-10-04T00:13:31 < LeelooMinai> vampi-the-frog: You select the edge by having the HAL docs opened:p 2016-10-04T00:13:39 < BrainDamage> Tectu: offer me a beer and we're even for what i care 2016-10-04T00:14:02 < Tectu> BrainDamage, that won't be a problem 2016-10-04T00:14:38 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I wonder if one can do that in the Cube 2016-10-04T00:15:33 < LeelooMinai> Pff... cannot find it 2016-10-04T00:16:00 < LeelooMinai> So maybe one just has to add this manually 2016-10-04T00:16:12 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-04T00:17:01 < LeelooMinai> NVIC config dialog has only interrupt related stuff: http://i.imgur.com/U4KQPx3.png 2016-10-04T00:17:50 < vampi-the-frog> ok so rising/falling edge stuff is set in GPIO config 2016-10-04T00:23:16 < LeelooMinai> Well, to be honest I don't know where it is:) Just switched from Chibios. For L4 I do not see it in the GPIO HAL... 2016-10-04T00:23:40 < karlp> wow, having netnames on tracks in eagle is such a massive improvement 2016-10-04T00:24:21 < LeelooMinai> Ok, found it, but it's in LL Driver in EXTI section 2016-10-04T00:24:32 < LeelooMinai> Cannot find it in the HAL Driver 2016-10-04T00:27:13 < LeelooMinai> eagle is for masochists imo:) 2016-10-04T00:29:01 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, so I wonder what's the deal with HAL there. It has EXTI_Callback functionality, but no config, so what - it can only interrupt on, say, falling edge? 2016-10-04T00:33:53 < karlp> HAL is for masochists imo ;) 2016-10-04T00:34:18 < LeelooMinai> So what do you use? 2016-10-04T00:34:44 < LeelooMinai> I thought that I will let Cube generate HAL code and maybe mix in LL if really needed. 2016-10-04T00:35:13 < vampi-the-frog> ok i think I got an interrupt working 2016-10-04T00:36:08 * karlp uses libopencm3 2016-10-04T00:36:21 < LeelooMinai> Pff... 2016-10-04T00:36:45 < vampi-the-frog> hm strangely it's only called once? 2016-10-04T00:37:07 < vampi-the-frog> is there something I'm missing? 2016-10-04T00:37:15 < LeelooMinai> Maybe you need to clear some interrupt flag (not sure if they need to be cleared) 2016-10-04T00:37:35 < vampi-the-frog> ah perhaps 2016-10-04T00:37:56 < LeelooMinai> Right, you need to clear pending bit 2016-10-04T00:38:35 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, HAL does not even have NVIC section - I guess it's a bit high level 2016-10-04T00:38:53 < LeelooMinai> But Cube has... 2016-10-04T00:39:00 * LeelooMinai scratches the head 2016-10-04T00:40:11 < LeelooMinai> A, ok, it's under CORTEX in HAL 2016-10-04T00:40:44 < vampi-the-frog> yeah aparently you have to clear each pin individually 2016-10-04T00:41:14 < vampi-the-frog> if(__HAL_GPIO_EXTI_GET_IT(GPIO_PIN_0) != RESET) { __HAL_GPIO_EXTI_CLEAR_IT(GPIO_PIN_0); } 2016-10-04T00:42:02 < LeelooMinai> vampi-the-frog: So, how did you select the edge direction? 2016-10-04T00:42:42 < vampi-the-frog> so 2016-10-04T00:42:55 < vampi-the-frog> GPIO_InitStruct.Pin = GPIO_PIN_0; 2016-10-04T00:43:02 < vampi-the-frog> GPIO_InitStruct.Mode = GPIO_MODE_IT_RISING_FALLING; 2016-10-04T00:43:08 < vampi-the-frog> HAL_GPIO_Init(GPIOA, &GPIO_InitStruct); 2016-10-04T00:43:26 < vampi-the-frog> there's also GPIO_InitStruct.Pull = GPIO_NOPULL; but I don't know what that does 2016-10-04T00:43:29 < vampi-the-frog> or if it's important 2016-10-04T00:43:50 < LeelooMinai> A, ok, I see - it's considered a mode, cool. 2016-10-04T00:44:19 < vampi-the-frog> I'm happy with it 2016-10-04T00:44:24 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-04T00:44:31 < vampi-the-frog> the next thing I need to figure out is how to get some debug output 2016-10-04T00:44:44 < LeelooMinai> Ok, so one can do it in CubeMX too - just checked. 2016-10-04T00:45:00 < vampi-the-frog> not necessarily printf(), just any string send method will do 2016-10-04T00:45:11 < vampi-the-frog> LeelooMinai, I'll be sure to give it a better look next time I generate a project 2016-10-04T00:45:26 < Thorn> if(GET_IT()) LAUGH(); 2016-10-04T00:45:28 < vampi-the-frog> my goal is to make an USB sound card with an olimex STM32-H103 2016-10-04T00:45:43 < vampi-the-frog> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/converting-an-old-roland-gr-1-to-usb/msg1023467/#msg1023467 2016-10-04T00:46:07 < vampi-the-frog> but the code generated by CubeMX seems to need more work before it is even recognized as a USB device 2016-10-04T00:46:54 < LeelooMinai> vampi-the-frog: I would use XMOS for this project:) 2016-10-04T00:47:11 < LeelooMinai> It rules at anything sound-related. 2016-10-04T00:47:30 < vampi-the-frog> there's no actual sound hardware, just some SPI or something 2016-10-04T00:47:35 < vampi-the-frog> it's all digital 2016-10-04T00:47:41 < karlp> "sound hardware" 2016-10-04T00:47:49 < vampi-the-frog> ie no opamps or anything analog 2016-10-04T00:48:02 < vampi-the-frog> in my project I mean 2016-10-04T00:48:05 < Thorn> not even a red capacitor? 2016-10-04T00:48:23 < LeelooMinai> It's not like XMOS is analog:p 2016-10-04T00:49:01 < vampi-the-frog> I just want it to act like a usb sound card + midi device 2016-10-04T00:49:02 < LeelooMinai> If you want sound over USB, it's the place to go though. 2016-10-04T00:49:06 < Thorn> http://lautsprechershop.de/hifi/images/jantzen_superior_zcap.jpg 2016-10-04T00:49:08 < vampi-the-frog> where do I start though 2016-10-04T00:49:14 < zyp> LeelooMinai, why? 2016-10-04T00:49:24 < vampi-the-frog> better dead than red 2016-10-04T00:49:57 < Thorn> http://www.radioelec.com/images/Image/CC0052_-_CAPA_CHI_DA_022aF_1360584291.jpg 2016-10-04T00:50:00 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Because that was their main focus for the initial XMOS ICs. Only recently they moved into Gb ethernet for example. 2016-10-04T00:50:05 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I've done sound over usb with stm32, what would xmos do better? 2016-10-04T00:50:29 < vampi-the-frog> zyp, perhaps I may peek at your code? 2016-10-04T00:50:37 < vampi-the-frog> nah xmos looks expensive 2016-10-04T00:50:43 < LeelooMinai> It has 8 and up cores that can do digital sound processing in parallel, per channel, with clock-accurate latencies, etc. 2016-10-04T00:50:58 < vampi-the-frog> nah I don't need any processing 2016-10-04T00:50:59 < zyp> vampi-the-frog, sure, but it's probably not very useful to you 2016-10-04T00:51:10 < vampi-the-frog> zyp, then perhaps you can guide me? 2016-10-04T00:51:17 < LeelooMinai> The XMOS I used for my Gb ethernet hub has 16 cores - it's pretty neat. 2016-10-04T00:51:19 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T00:51:32 < LeelooMinai> https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/28598471430 2016-10-04T00:52:03 < vampi-the-frog> LeelooMinai, it looks cool to use in a DSP project rather 2016-10-04T00:52:03 < LeelooMinai> When I finish this project, I will get back to friting firmware for the XMOS board. 2016-10-04T00:52:06 < zyp> vampi-the-frog, it's about midnight here and I'm too tired to do much guiding tonight 2016-10-04T00:52:18 < vampi-the-frog> zyp, same here, perhaps I can bother you tomorrow evening? 2016-10-04T00:52:21 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks_demo/tree/main.cpp 2016-10-04T00:52:42 < LeelooMinai> vampi-the-frog: Well, they have a lot of sound-related modules/code, example boars, etc. 2016-10-04T00:52:43 < zyp> it's written to run on f4 discovery, should build and flash just fine 2016-10-04T00:52:59 < vampi-the-frog> I have a F103RB 2016-10-04T00:53:18 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-04T00:53:44 < zyp> LeelooMinai, AFAIK xmos doesn't even do i2s in hardware, so you end up having to dedicate a bunch of cpu power to bitbang it 2016-10-04T00:54:03 < zyp> which is the common problem with xmos 2016-10-04T00:54:06 < LeelooMinai> They also have some neat microphone applications - like some device that has multiple microphones, I think 8, and can do voice recognition using some digital algorithms - so it can pick up the voice and filter it from the whole room. 2016-10-04T00:54:37 < vampi-the-frog> I see XMOS has gotten your acorn wet. 2016-10-04T00:55:02 < LeelooMinai> Well, bit-banging in xmos is not that horrible considering it is cycle accurate and runs at high speeds internally. 2016-10-04T00:55:47 < zyp> you still dedicate cpu power to it, which makes the official performance numbers kind of a lie 2016-10-04T00:55:48 < LeelooMinai> vampi-the-frog: It's kind of neat. you have a lot of cores and hardware RTOS-like functionality. 2016-10-04T00:56:02 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2016-10-04T00:56:12 < zyp> also, it doesn't have a lot of cores, it's a barrel processor 2016-10-04T00:56:17 < vampi-the-frog> I am thinking of making some guitar processing products at some point, maybe 2016-10-04T00:56:43 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but it runs at 500MHz and has 5 slots, so you have 100MHz logical cores. 2016-10-04T00:56:47 < Thorn> is it better than a small fpga? 2016-10-04T00:56:56 < vampi-the-frog> or at least adding an USB port straight on one of my guitars, I assume that means least amount of noise 2016-10-04T00:57:06 < LeelooMinai> Better in terms of sanity when programming imo:) 2016-10-04T00:57:14 < zyp> Thorn, different way of thinking 2016-10-04T00:57:23 < zyp> pretty different capabilities too 2016-10-04T00:57:28 < Thorn> bitbanging and sanity? 2016-10-04T00:57:30 < vampi-the-frog> alright 2016-10-04T00:57:37 < Thorn> doesn't mix imo 2016-10-04T00:57:41 < vampi-the-frog> thanks for the link zyp 2016-10-04T00:57:42 < LeelooMinai> FPGA tools will eat your brain away and will make you want to commit suicide. 2016-10-04T00:57:54 < zyp> LeelooMinai, so have you actually used xmos for anything? 2016-10-04T00:57:57 < vampi-the-frog> what's that meant to compile with? 2016-10-04T00:58:13 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-04T00:58:17 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I mean, are you speaking from experience or from impressions? 2016-10-04T00:58:25 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Only for simple tests. As I wrote, I will write more after I finish this project. 2016-10-04T00:58:40 < zyp> okay, so from impressions 2016-10-04T00:58:43 < LeelooMinai> I read about it of course though - architecture and programming manuals, etc. 2016-10-04T00:59:51 < zyp> I remember I saw they had a hybrid chip with a cortex-m and some xmos cores 2016-10-04T01:00:18 < Thorn> vampi-the-frog: gcc 2016-10-04T01:00:27 < vampi-the-frog> you mean g++? 2016-10-04T01:00:33 < Thorn> yes 2016-10-04T01:00:36 < vampi-the-frog> what libraries is it using though? 2016-10-04T01:00:41 < zyp> was thinking about playing around with that, but I never got to it, I don't remember if it was because of availability or I learned something about it that made me lose interest 2016-10-04T01:00:55 < zyp> vampi-the-frog, my own lib 2016-10-04T01:00:59 < vampi-the-frog> oh it's using the git module code? 2016-10-04T01:01:05 < zyp> yes, laks is the lib 2016-10-04T01:01:13 < zyp> and it builds with scons 2016-10-04T01:01:22 < vampi-the-frog> ayyy 2016-10-04T01:01:25 < LeelooMinai> zyp: When you have like up to 32 cores, you can dedicate some to handling the protocol... 2016-10-04T01:01:28 < vampi-the-frog> and you wrote it specifically for F4? 2016-10-04T01:01:37 < zyp> so if you have a working compiler, you should just need to load the submodule and run scons 2016-10-04T01:01:53 < zyp> that particular piece of code was written specifically for the f4-discovery board 2016-10-04T01:02:01 < zyp> the lib itself supports other parts too 2016-10-04T01:02:41 < vampi-the-frog> why did you write it? 2016-10-04T01:02:51 < zyp> the lib or the audio stuff? 2016-10-04T01:02:58 < vampi-the-frog> both I guess 2016-10-04T01:03:28 < zyp> the lib got forked off from a project I did once after I realized I had a bunch of reusable code 2016-10-04T01:03:36 < zyp> (which includes a usb stack) 2016-10-04T01:04:02 < vampi-the-frog> why don't you use the official libs? 2016-10-04T01:04:10 < zyp> the audio stuff I just wrote for fun a weekend because I wanted to play around with usb audio 2016-10-04T01:04:32 < kakimir> it would propably be easier to use 0402 around mcu than 0603 2016-10-04T01:04:46 < kakimir> gives some space for design 2016-10-04T01:04:57 < zyp> the official libs are a hassle to deal with in several ways 2016-10-04T01:05:01 < kakimir> but would 0201 be even easier with this logic? 2016-10-04T01:05:16 < vampi-the-frog> zyp, I figured you'd say something like that 2016-10-04T01:05:20 < zyp> I could have used libopencm3, but I didn't know about it when I started on my own 2016-10-04T01:05:31 < vampi-the-frog> oh what's that? 2016-10-04T01:05:33 < vampi-the-frog> cortex m3? 2016-10-04T01:05:46 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-04T01:05:58 < zyp> well, it used to be libopenstm32, but then that got too specific, so they changed it to libopencm3 2016-10-04T01:06:06 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: I used 0201, but only for termination resitors - because they are so thin, they were like the trace width:) But for decoupling - do not see much point... 2016-10-04T01:06:15 < zyp> and when m4 and the rest came, that got too specific too, but they didn't bother changing it again 2016-10-04T01:06:27 < zyp> but it's a pretty decent periph lib 2016-10-04T01:06:32 < vampi-the-frog> maybe opencortex 2016-10-04T01:07:07 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: 0201s on my board:) https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/28902993965 2016-10-04T01:07:16 < Thorn> that would mean it also supports iphones lol 2016-10-04T01:07:18 < LeelooMinai> They are a bit "wth" size 2016-10-04T01:07:51 < vampi-the-frog> ok this opens up some options, I guess 2016-10-04T01:08:03 < zyp> LeelooMinai, you home assembled 0201s? 2016-10-04T01:08:15 < jadew> LeelooMinai, nice 2016-10-04T01:08:19 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Yes, that's the XMOS board I designed 2016-10-04T01:08:28 < vampi-the-frog> now show the whole thing 2016-10-04T01:08:34 < zyp> sounds annoying to do 2016-10-04T01:08:36 < LeelooMinai> I did... 2016-10-04T01:08:51 < LeelooMinai> vampi-the-frog: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/28598471430/ 2016-10-04T01:08:55 < zyp> I've done 0402 but even those are annoying so I tend to stick to 0603 2016-10-04T01:09:14 < LeelooMinai> 0402 are my "bread and butter" ones:) 2016-10-04T01:09:42 < jadew> you must enjoy using that microscope 2016-10-04T01:09:45 < vampi-the-frog> lol I like the green bead around the test point or whatever that is 2016-10-04T01:10:14 < LeelooMinai> vampi-the-frog: That's a gold plated, well, test point - can get those from aliexpress. Super useful to have one at least for GND 2016-10-04T01:10:35 < vampi-the-frog> nice 2016-10-04T01:10:42 < vampi-the-frog> I'm heading to bed, thanks for the help 2016-10-04T01:10:48 < vampi-the-frog> see yaz 2016-10-04T01:11:06 < jadew> night 2016-10-04T01:11:26 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-04T01:15:08 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-04T01:15:23 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T01:16:34 < upgrdman> lpc1768 pros: any idea why i might be getting SSP (SPI) interrupts when SSP->MIS is zero? MIS is the interrupt status register, so if zero, i have no idea why an interrupt might occur 2016-10-04T01:18:37 < kakimir> some interrupts may require read or so from register X ? 2016-10-04T01:18:50 < kakimir> to be cleared 2016-10-04T01:19:25 < upgrdman> but if MIS is zero, supposedly there are no interrupts asserted 2016-10-04T01:19:32 < upgrdman> but the ISR is being called 2016-10-04T01:20:39 < kakimir> supposedly? 2016-10-04T01:21:23 < Thorn> upgrdman: what is in RIS? 2016-10-04T01:21:29 < upgrdman> kakimir, "This read-only register contains a 1 for each interrupt condition that is asserted and 2016-10-04T01:21:29 < upgrdman> enabled in the SSPnIMSC. When an SSP interrupt occurs, the interrupt service routine 2016-10-04T01:21:29 < upgrdman> should read this register to determine the cause(s) of the interrupt." 2016-10-04T01:22:11 < kakimir> is there some thing to clear the register? 2016-10-04T01:22:19 < upgrdman> RIS has stuff asserted 2016-10-04T01:22:43 < upgrdman> kakimir, ICR, which i cleared all bits of 2016-10-04T01:25:45 < kakimir> does every interupt condition have status bit? 2016-10-04T01:26:14 < upgrdman> looks like it 2016-10-04T01:33:18 < kakimir> is it master or slave? 2016-10-04T01:41:18 < jadew> I want to play with a quadcopter 2016-10-04T01:45:04 < kakimir> upgrdman: master or slave? 2016-10-04T01:45:10 < upgrdman> slave 2016-10-04T01:48:29 < kakimir> is there such input condition that causes interupt? 2016-10-04T01:49:10 -!- I-Wish [~I-Wish@85.254.77.58] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.9.2 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 2016-10-04T01:49:35 < kakimir> have you played with example codes upgrdman ? 2016-10-04T01:50:09 < upgrdman> i have not 2016-10-04T01:50:17 < upgrdman> oh well, i worked around it 2016-10-04T01:50:43 < upgrdman> just disabled the ISR and used a timer to get what i needed 2016-10-04T01:56:02 -!- Steffannn [uid97872@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rihiampsjulbtctn] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2016-10-04T01:58:44 < LeelooMinai> Stupid FreeRTOS function names - they are prefixed and one cannot even sort them properly... 2016-10-04T02:07:42 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-04T02:10:46 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-04T02:11:24 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T02:13:01 < sferrini> LeelooMinai: just don't use FreeRTOS 2016-10-04T02:13:38 < LeelooMinai> It's an annoyance not a deal-breaker 2016-10-04T02:14:08 < sferrini> Yeah, but there are better alternatives 2016-10-04T02:14:26 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T02:14:41 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/5q2miFx.png :? 2016-10-04T02:15:14 < LeelooMinai> sferrini: I am just evaluation it after trying Chibios. 2016-10-04T02:15:30 < LeelooMinai> evaluationg* 2016-10-04T02:15:34 < sferrini> Frosted: A proper Kernel with kernelspace and userspace separation. And POSIX compatible 2016-10-04T02:16:04 < LeelooMinai> That does not sound good... I want something as lightweight as possible. 2016-10-04T02:16:15 < sferrini> https://github.com/insane-adding-machines/frosted 2016-10-04T02:16:26 < sferrini> It's lightweight 2016-10-04T02:16:52 < aandrew> seems everyone is writing their own OS these days 2016-10-04T02:17:13 < aandrew> classical problem... everyone wants to be an architect, nobody wants to be a janitor 2016-10-04T02:17:28 < LeelooMinai> Well, yes, but, I never heared of it - so imediatelly there's this huge risk that I will get myself into something that will not be supported by other tools, and faiil. 2016-10-04T02:18:00 * karlp hi5s LeelooMinai 2016-10-04T02:18:16 < LeelooMinai> FreeRTOS at least gave me support in CubeMX and SystemView "out of the box" 2016-10-04T02:18:43 < aandrew> *nods* 2016-10-04T02:19:03 < aandrew> I've kind of settled on FreeRTOS or at least the CMSIS compliant version of it 2016-10-04T02:19:18 < aandrew> that's not an endorsement as it being better than anything else, just ubiquitous 2016-10-04T02:19:27 < LeelooMinai> I don't like how they charge for documentation, but what can one do:/ 2016-10-04T02:19:56 < LeelooMinai> I guess read the source documentation:) 2016-10-04T02:20:14 < sferrini> I really don't like how FreeRTOS implemented the OS 2016-10-04T02:20:18 < aandrew> yes, that is kind of shitty but really isn't THAT terible 2016-10-04T02:20:23 < aandrew> better than having free docs and no source 2016-10-04T02:45:23 < karlp> nah, you should totallyu use the new "clean" sexy. 2016-10-04T02:45:35 < karlp> it's clean and sexy because it hasn't had any fixes applied yet! 2016-10-04T02:46:17 < karlp> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html 2016-10-04T02:49:34 < karlp> old enough? 2016-10-04T02:50:50 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-04T02:56:13 < aandrew> lol 2016-10-04T02:56:22 < aandrew> "Netscape 6.0 is finally going into its first public beta" 2016-10-04T02:56:26 < aandrew> now that's an old article 2016-10-04T02:57:25 < LeelooMinai> It's out? Wee... 2016-10-04T02:57:29 * LeelooMinai closes Mosaic 2016-10-04T02:57:42 < aandrew> hahaha 2016-10-04T02:57:54 < aandrew> that's by far the best reaction I could have gotten 2016-10-04T03:21:13 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T03:34:53 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-04T03:37:32 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2603:3023:50a:4600:1067:b0d6:ee81:b559] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-04T03:49:48 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T04:02:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T04:08:57 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-04T04:12:24 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T04:13:50 -!- Laurenceb__ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-04T04:15:11 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/TqRM3f5.jpg 2016-10-04T04:16:43 < stvn> epic stm32 chatz < Steffanx> Laurenceb__ killed himself after a day of no link posts 2016-10-04T04:17:24 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/RareUnfitBarnacle 2016-10-04T04:19:48 < stvn> good morning upgrdman 2016-10-04T04:20:09 < upgrdman> hi 2016-10-04T04:25:50 < upgrdman> hmm i would have thought that the russian and australian economies would be bigger http://i.imgur.com/paMA5Mx.png 2016-10-04T04:26:24 < stvn> australia is a hole in the ground 2016-10-04T04:27:09 < stvn> ah welcome back englishman 2016-10-04T04:27:28 < stvn> the digital tubes 2016-10-04T04:29:03 < LeelooMinai> The red area would have far more population than any other. 2016-10-04T04:32:39 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-04T04:36:44 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xyxdqsepjsvuatns] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2016-10-04T04:41:14 < stvn> the cat is headbutting stuff 2016-10-04T04:49:08 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T04:55:35 < upgrdman> anyone know of a label maker that is decent and doesn't ASS RAPE you on the label cartridges 2016-10-04T04:59:49 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-04T05:00:52 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T05:01:18 < stvn> its a hassle 2016-10-04T05:01:33 < stvn> i find you just gotta shop around 2016-10-04T05:02:12 < stvn> yah 2016-10-04T05:02:23 < stvn> i accidentally a brother with non-qwerty 2016-10-04T05:02:29 < stvn> went in the bin pretty quick 2016-10-04T05:04:08 < stvn> yeah that too 2016-10-04T05:04:16 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T05:04:20 < stvn> it's a giant cuck 2016-10-04T05:04:30 < stvn> however i haven't had to pay for any of this 2016-10-04T05:04:43 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T05:05:28 < stvn> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/detail-page/pt80-2-lg.jpg 2016-10-04T05:05:36 < stvn> used one of these bastards for years 2016-10-04T05:06:05 < upgrdman> how the label tape work. is it thermal ink? 2016-10-04T05:06:10 < stvn> yeah 2016-10-04T05:06:14 < stvn> at least this was 2016-10-04T05:06:54 < stvn> when i waz heatshrinking labels on custom looms i had to be vary careful with the heat 2016-10-04T05:11:46 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-04T05:17:30 -!- fenugrec [~R@142.217.93.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-04T05:29:35 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-04T05:31:01 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T05:44:00 < LeelooMinai> lol @ Russian DMM "range switches": http://i.imgur.com/UrzxIiH.jpg 2016-10-04T05:45:02 < stvn> not bad 2016-10-04T05:45:35 < LeelooMinai> The auto-ranging version comes with a Russian 2016-10-04T05:45:55 < stvn> as expected 2016-10-04T05:46:46 < stvn> well, i'd prefer some hand cranked mechanical device which sequentially changes plugs 2016-10-04T05:46:59 < stvn> steam engine optional 2016-10-04T05:47:00 < upgrdman> so anyone know of a youtube channel of blog that is kinda like self-improvement for programmers? like short tips/advise/etc. 2016-10-04T05:47:05 < upgrdman> *or blog 2016-10-04T05:47:08 < stvn> i wish 2016-10-04T05:47:15 < stvn> i was looking for something the same 2016-10-04T05:47:22 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-04T05:47:38 < stvn> today i've decided to read the k&r book 2016-10-04T05:47:49 < upgrdman> i find myself watching lectures from cppcon2016 ... and i dont evne use c++ ... but theres some good topics 2016-10-04T05:47:56 < stvn> yeah 2016-10-04T05:48:14 < stvn> better than memes 2016-10-04T05:48:32 < LeelooMinai> lol - I read it 30 years ago... 2016-10-04T05:48:45 < stvn> you're that old? 2016-10-04T05:48:56 < LeelooMinai> I am 45yo young! 2016-10-04T05:49:01 < stvn> i see then 2016-10-04T05:49:16 < stvn> i would have been a babby 30 year ago 2016-10-04T05:49:32 < upgrdman> 45 and you still live in your mom's basement? 2016-10-04T05:49:53 < LeelooMinai> I remember I was reading in in-beetween chess round in a trounament 2016-10-04T05:50:14 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Only my PCs are in the basement:p 2016-10-04T05:50:24 < stvn> i wish we had basements in australia 2016-10-04T05:50:39 < LeelooMinai> I am in the attick - by the pigeonx 2016-10-04T05:50:44 < LeelooMinai> pigeons* 2016-10-04T05:50:52 < stvn> ah 2016-10-04T05:51:01 < stvn> the flying rats 2016-10-04T05:51:05 < LeelooMinai> stvn: Cannot you, dig ones? 2016-10-04T05:51:22 < stvn> sure i'll dig through the concrete slab 2016-10-04T05:51:41 < stvn> hope i don't find some burial ground underneath said house 2016-10-04T05:51:57 < LeelooMinai> Well, there are concrete foundations here too, but as the basement floor... 2016-10-04T05:52:13 < stvn> hmmm 2016-10-04T05:52:21 < upgrdman> so i know this sounds dumb, but im not being sarcastic: is australia, is it common to see koalas or kangaroos? like while driving along some country road or whatever 2016-10-04T05:52:31 < stvn> not that i know of 2016-10-04T05:52:44 < stvn> i've always lived in 'suburbia or the city' 2016-10-04T05:52:53 < LeelooMinai> I don't think they can have driving licences 2016-10-04T05:53:02 < stvn> [: 2016-10-04T05:56:19 < LeelooMinai> https://goo.gl/XSsQUN 2016-10-04T05:56:54 < LeelooMinai> 1Ω kangaroo 2016-10-04T05:57:24 < stvn> kangaroo car 2016-10-04T05:58:02 < stvn> what to do 2016-10-04T05:58:20 < stvn> think its time for me to go read 2016-10-04T06:06:33 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T06:09:00 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-04T06:19:36 < aandrew> anyone here used an LSM9DS0 (9 axis accelerometer, gyro, magnetic sensor) before? 2016-10-04T06:19:54 < dongs> wonder what is the official non-aids solution to custom-shape pin pad w/small pad near it to give it pin number coming up as a shortcircuit during DRC if that pin is unused. The obvious fix of adding a dummy net to PCB and making both pad attached to that net is pretty annoying.. 2016-10-04T06:20:04 < dongs> aandrew: i think i might have, or at least something similar from ST. wahts up? 2016-10-04T06:20:18 < aandrew> just wondering wtf the function of hte DEN_G input is 2016-10-04T06:20:22 < aandrew> it's not mentioned in the datasheet 2016-10-04T06:20:37 < dongs> their combo shit is kinda retarded because its jsut a bunch dies inside one package and they evne have separate spi buses/chipseelect for them 2016-10-04T06:20:41 < dongs> such lazy 2016-10-04T06:20:48 < aandrew> yeahI saw that 2016-10-04T06:21:01 < dongs> completely uselss 2016-10-04T06:21:02 < aandrew> the gyro is separate from the mag/accel 2016-10-04T06:21:05 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-04T06:21:46 < dongs> 'gyroscope data enable' according to datasheet 2016-10-04T06:21:49 < dongs> which is what i thought it would be 2016-10-04T06:22:07 < aandrew> yes, but what's that mean? 2016-10-04T06:22:35 < upgrdman> aandrew, 10 DEN_G Gyroscope data enable 2016-10-04T06:22:40 < upgrdman> oh shit dongs beat me to it 2016-10-04T06:22:58 < aandrew> yeah guys I can read the datasheet too. :-) 2016-10-04T06:23:10 < upgrdman> i guess if not asserted it leaves the gyro outputs high-Z? 2016-10-04T06:23:14 < aandrew> can't find any info on how it should be driven 2016-10-04T06:23:24 < dongs> englishman: the official way according to altidumb wiki is just make region, place pad. 2016-10-04T06:24:02 < dongs> on what? 2016-10-04T06:24:13 < dongs> its not a component tho 2016-10-04T06:24:19 < dongs> its that sawn qfn with edges trimmed 2016-10-04T06:24:22 < upgrdman> https://learn.adafruit.com/assets/18546 2016-10-04T06:24:27 < upgrdman> so drive to high? 2016-10-04T06:24:39 < dongs> aidsfruit, used as a reference? 2016-10-04T06:24:45 < dongs> over aandrew's dead body 2016-10-04T06:25:15 < upgrdman> not just adafruit but also an eagle sch 2016-10-04T06:25:36 < aandrew> yeah looks pulled high 2016-10-04T06:25:42 < dongs> englishman: http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ADOH/Creating+a+Custom+Pad+Shape 2016-10-04T06:25:49 < aandrew> thanks upgrdman 2016-10-04T06:26:03 < aandrew> didn't think of looking at the breakouts, assumed they just pinned them ot connectors 2016-10-04T06:26:12 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Right, that's the normal way for weird shapes, so what's the problem? 2016-10-04T06:26:14 < dongs> in a component yes 2016-10-04T06:26:50 < dongs> i mean i know how to fix it dumb way 2016-10-04T06:26:55 < dongs> i want to fix it in the component definition 2016-10-04T06:26:55 < LeelooMinai> You can give pads same jumper id if they are connected 2016-10-04T06:27:01 < dongs> its not a pad. 2016-10-04T06:27:08 < dongs> that needs to be cnnected. 2016-10-04T06:27:13 < dongs> its a region + pad, FOLLOWING TEH WIKI 2016-10-04T06:27:38 < LeelooMinai> So what... pad within a region is same as that pad had shape of that region. 2016-10-04T06:28:55 < LeelooMinai> If you have it, you can always unlock the shapes on the PCB and add them to nets manually. 2016-10-04T06:29:01 < dongs> yes......................... 2016-10-04T06:29:03 < LeelooMinai> As the last resort. 2016-10-04T06:29:05 < dongs> i already fucking said that 2016-10-04T06:29:23 < LeelooMinai> dongs: You say things in a weird way that need to much time to decode:p 2016-10-04T06:29:35 < dongs> 12:19 < dongs> wonder what is the official non-aids solution to custom-shape pin pad w/small pad near it to give it pin number coming up as a shortcircuit during DRC if that pin is unused. The obvious fix of adding a dummy net to PCB and 2016-10-04T06:29:40 < dongs> making both pad attached to that net is pretty annoying.. 2016-10-04T06:29:50 < dongs> 'the obvious fix' of making pad and region same net 2016-10-04T06:29:53 < LeelooMinai> ^ RIght, I don't even know what that all was supposed to mean:) 2016-10-04T06:29:58 < dongs> then stop fucking reading 2016-10-04T06:29:59 < dongs> and get off irc 2016-10-04T06:30:10 < dongs> fucking aids 2016-10-04T06:30:22 < LeelooMinai> Wanted to help anyways:p 2016-10-04T06:30:30 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0aa1a3.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-04T06:30:49 < LeelooMinai> As I said, dongs did not make sense and now he blames me:) 2016-10-04T06:31:57 < dongs> Additional information for using the new Footprints at a PCB and how to transfer netlist information from the Pad to the Polyregion can be found at Creating Library Components: Managing Components that Include Routing Primitives in their Footprint 2016-10-04T06:32:02 < dongs> oh. 2016-10-04T06:32:09 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Maybe you wanted to say "pin" instead of "net"... 2016-10-04T06:32:14 < dongs> .... 2016-10-04T06:32:18 < dongs> stop fucking talking you piece of shit 2016-10-04T06:32:23 < dongs> i said exactly waht i meant 2016-10-04T06:33:13 < dongs> i went to DNN, added 2 nets called FUCKLEELOOFAGGOT1 and FUCKLEELOOFAGGOT2 then assigned 2 unused pads+regions to those nets in the component and shit was fixed. 2016-10-04T06:33:19 < LeelooMinai> E, my head hurst from your vulgar language. 2016-10-04T06:34:08 < LeelooMinai> Dongus Vulgarus Maximus 2016-10-04T06:34:35 < aandrew> altium custom pads are screwy 2016-10-04T06:34:36 < dongs> If the footprint includes copper primitives touching the pads, these primitives will not be assigned the net name automatically, and will create a design rule violation. In this case, you will need to perform an update process to assign the net name. 2016-10-04T06:34:45 < aandrew> actually custom pads anywhere are usually painful 2016-10-04T06:35:04 < dongs> so b asically thier shit only works if custom pads have nets 2016-10-04T06:35:12 < dongs> if they're NC pins anyways youre fuckd 2016-10-04T06:37:13 < dongs> those pads dont make teardrops either 2016-10-04T06:37:14 < dongs> fuck 2016-10-04T06:37:27 < dongs> teardrop starts from the inner pad 2016-10-04T06:37:29 < dongs> instead of region 2016-10-04T06:37:38 < dongs> and im paying for this shit 2016-10-04T06:38:01 < LeelooMinai> Use KiCad then 2016-10-04T06:39:01 < dongs> ya seen them 2016-10-04T06:39:16 < dongs> i could probly just enlarge the inside pad to touch the region outline until the / cut 2016-10-04T06:44:01 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f7758c7.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T06:47:27 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T06:51:32 < aandrew> hm, one I/O left on this STM32F765 2016-10-04T06:53:42 < dongs> thats pretty impressive 2016-10-04T06:53:56 < aandrew> it's a busy design 2016-10-04T06:54:19 < aandrew> hell I have a bunch of logic to route timer channels to encoders or IR receivers 2016-10-04T06:55:12 < aandrew> and route PWM outputs to one end or the other of a bnch of h-bridges 2016-10-04T06:55:22 < aandrew> didn't want to go to BGA because then I'd be 6 layer for sure 2016-10-04T06:55:38 < LeelooMinai> Pff, seems they sell usb rechargeable 18650s now 2016-10-04T06:55:41 < aandrew> even then I still have a damn I2C port expander in there 2016-10-04T06:55:45 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: hm? 2016-10-04T06:56:14 < LeelooMinai> Well, seems the charger is part of the pattery, so you just connect it to USB 2016-10-04T06:56:20 < LeelooMinai> battery* 2016-10-04T06:56:26 < aandrew> that's... ok... 2016-10-04T06:57:06 < LeelooMinai> Kind of funny though: http://i.imgur.com/WbERSMf.jpg 2016-10-04T06:57:15 < LeelooMinai> lol at micro-USB connector there 2016-10-04T06:57:49 < aandrew> huh 2016-10-04T06:57:50 < aandrew> interesting 2016-10-04T06:58:03 < dongs> vapetech 2016-10-04T07:03:08 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-04T07:05:36 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T07:06:00 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2016-10-04T07:07:30 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T07:09:05 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-04T07:09:10 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-04T07:13:44 < LeelooMinai> Never knew that the skinniest house in the world is in Poland:p http://i.imgur.com/1weiJwS.jpg 2016-10-04T07:14:24 < LeelooMinai> I guess when you have to replace roof tiles, it's very cheap. 2016-10-04T07:16:27 < dongs> is that where they make STM32? 2016-10-04T07:16:52 < LeelooMinai> Yes, the wafer lab is on the 3rd floor 2016-10-04T07:18:03 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:cc53:a2d7:b85d:ab97] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T07:24:34 < aandrew> I love how altium will delete a part just as easily as a trace 2016-10-04T07:26:42 < dongs> at least it has working undo 2016-10-04T07:39:54 < jpa-> in kicad, it's easier to delete a part than to delete a trace 2016-10-04T07:40:41 < dongs> i bet its even easier to delete your entire design, out or rage 2016-10-04T07:40:45 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T07:43:55 -!- KreAture_Zzz [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-04T07:43:58 < jpa-> in kicad terms we call that "lose everything due to crash" 2016-10-04T07:46:31 < aandrew> you know when altium layout starts flickering like a sob it's gonna crash 2016-10-04T07:46:58 < aandrew> close and go back in and it's good again 2016-10-04T07:47:01 < dongs> my last crash was due to clicking and deleting a trace really quickly 2016-10-04T07:47:03 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-04T07:47:05 < aandrew> god I love paying for this software 2016-10-04T07:47:12 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T07:47:14 < aandrew> I thought you used diptrace 2016-10-04T07:47:17 < dongs> it started doing the please wait trash 2016-10-04T07:47:27 < dongs> wut are you trolling 2016-10-04T07:47:39 < LeelooMinai> I used DipTrace in the past. 2016-10-04T07:47:45 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-04T07:47:47 < LeelooMinai> It was reasonable. 2016-10-04T07:47:57 < dongs> nobody asked your opinion. 2016-10-04T07:48:35 < LeelooMinai> dongs: And nobody asked you about your opinion about other people's opinions, so what's your point? :p 2016-10-04T07:49:22 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: What are PCB-caoture programs... 2016-10-04T07:50:18 < dongs> i might have to just let you join ohsix on ignore list 2016-10-04T07:50:33 < dongs> then you can autism the fuck out of each other 2016-10-04T07:51:13 < LeelooMinai> EDAs, right, well, as I wrote, tried few initially, and settled on DipTrace because it was sensible. But Altium is Altium - I like how it is designed. 2016-10-04T07:52:06 < LeelooMinai> I like the whole query system (SQL like) in Altium and all the associated UI features related to it., 2016-10-04T07:52:46 < aandrew> ohsix: lol 2016-10-04T07:53:32 < LeelooMinai> From what I know Eagle is kind of a relic. It gained popularity because it was the only choice for hobbyists initially, but does not really evolve. 2016-10-04T07:53:50 < aandrew> I used eagle becuase it was multiplatform. I spent damn near 20 years on it 2016-10-04T07:54:09 < aandrew> before that it was OrCAD PCB/SDT386+ 2016-10-04T07:54:40 < LeelooMinai> dongs: As to autims, do you really think that you are the perfect example of well adjusted person on IRC? :p 2016-10-04T07:54:51 < dongs> LeelooMinai: again, nobody fucking asked you 2016-10-04T07:54:57 < aandrew> fuck yeah. hungarian sausage and cheese 2016-10-04T07:55:02 < aandrew> perfect for 1am eats 2016-10-04T07:55:18 < aandrew> and I'll probably drive my wife out of the bed with my breath when I go there 2016-10-04T07:55:18 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Yes, but I asked you, so? 2016-10-04T07:56:19 < LeelooMinai> I wonder why dongs has to swear that much... 2016-10-04T07:56:58 < aandrew> Tourette's 2016-10-04T07:57:20 < aandrew> or, more specifically, Coprolalia 2016-10-04T07:57:42 < LeelooMinai> Well, I think that's more random though 2016-10-04T07:57:53 < dongs> i blame constant exposure to irc m2f/attention whores 2016-10-04T07:58:29 < LeelooMinai> Like sudden burts that one cannot controll, instead of to just replacing every possible normal word with something vulgar with premeditation, like dongs 2016-10-04T07:58:35 < aandrew> LeelooMinai lives near me, I'm willing to put money on there being no transition to speak of 2016-10-04T07:58:57 < dongs> lo, why would you give even the slightest fuck 2016-10-04T07:59:12 < dongs> you're basically doing exactly what the attention whore wants - paying attention 2016-10-04T07:59:20 < dongs> (me too, but thats besides the point) 2016-10-04T07:59:38 < LeelooMinai> I think dongs must be very interested in such topics - I don't even know sometimes what he is talking about:) Seems to be an expert on this... so... AFAIK he could be one of those people. Maybe f2m? :) 2016-10-04T07:59:46 < jpa-> dongs is perfectly adjusted.. exactly the ratio of sense-vs-crap that i don't bother ignoring him 2016-10-04T08:00:19 < dongs> autism levels off the charts, it seems 2016-10-04T08:00:20 < LeelooMinai> lol, enter the littel dong 2016-10-04T08:00:23 < dongs> im working on altidumb layout. 2016-10-04T08:00:26 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-04T08:00:54 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T08:00:54 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: I somehow see you as some kind of gongs disciple - what do you think about this? 2016-10-04T08:00:58 < dongs> well its like 2pm 2016-10-04T08:00:59 < aandrew> jpa-: lol 2016-10-04T08:01:07 < dongs> i donno last night i had to get this board done so i stayed up until 3 2016-10-04T08:01:14 < dongs> then woke up at 9, but i have another one to do 2016-10-04T08:01:23 < aandrew> hax teh gibson 2016-10-04T08:01:37 < dongs> some work trash 2016-10-04T08:01:46 < LeelooMinai> xShit v2.1 2016-10-04T08:02:02 < LeelooMinai> I bet he names all boards like that:) 2016-10-04T08:02:12 < dongs> gonna run commercial uGFX without telling Tectu 2016-10-04T08:02:17 < stvn> me2 2016-10-04T08:02:47 < dongs> no lol 2016-10-04T08:02:58 < dongs> infact i told the guy doing the code to just use stemwin 2016-10-04T08:03:06 < dongs> i'm just trollin about ugfx, we wouldnt use tha shit 2016-10-04T08:03:20 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You see - perfect example of my point. 2016-10-04T08:03:50 < aandrew> ohsix: heh 2016-10-04T08:05:44 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Because I don't use vulgar and obscene language like you and dongs? 2016-10-04T08:06:06 < LeelooMinai> Not sure what the thinking is there... 2016-10-04T08:06:53 < stvn> guess i won't be in trouble with Steffanx today 2016-10-04T08:07:32 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: I think you are projecting something there - I am not really instersted in such topics and do not dwell on them. On the other hand, I see dongs and you love to talk/think about them... 2016-10-04T08:11:08 < aandrew> ok 2016-10-04T08:11:11 < aandrew> altium question 2016-10-04T08:11:13 < aandrew> actually two 2016-10-04T08:11:23 < aandrew> click on a track and you just happen to click a segment that is under a part 2016-10-04T08:11:31 < aandrew> hit tab, it lights up the fucking part instead of all of the track 2016-10-04T08:11:34 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-04T08:11:35 < aandrew> how to get rid of that 2016-10-04T08:11:38 < dongs> you dont 2016-10-04T08:11:41 < dongs> click the track outside the part. 2016-10-04T08:11:43 < LeelooMinai> You can lock the part I think 2016-10-04T08:11:52 < aandrew> yeah locking works but sucks 2016-10-04T08:11:53 < aandrew> ok 2016-10-04T08:11:55 < LeelooMinai> Then it's transparent to selection I think 2016-10-04T08:11:55 < aandrew> next question 2016-10-04T08:12:04 < stvn> seven inches 2016-10-04T08:12:15 < stvn> wait, is that the right answer? 2016-10-04T08:12:29 < aandrew> want to click-drag to select a bunch but where you click is near a part and it decides to pick up the part and drag. can that be stopped (outside of locking)? 2016-10-04T08:12:38 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, FreeRTOS i 13 yo or so - that's pretty older than I thought. 2016-10-04T08:12:54 < aandrew> I seem to be able to override it with some combination of escape and shift clicking but I haven't nailed down what it is yet 2016-10-04T08:13:01 < dongs> aandrew: i use select / touching line/touching rectangle type stuff 2016-10-04T08:13:04 < dongs> to get a bunch of shit 2016-10-04T08:13:07 < dongs> dunno if that helps 2016-10-04T08:13:12 < aandrew> hm 2016-10-04T08:13:26 < dongs> otherwise just zoom in and carefully shift-select shit, d ont think theres any better way 2016-10-04T08:13:57 < aandrew> yeah that's kind of what I do 2016-10-04T08:14:00 < aandrew> balls 2016-10-04T08:14:00 < aandrew> ok 2016-10-04T08:14:24 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: About what? 2016-10-04T08:15:30 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-04T08:15:41 < aandrew> might have to switch everyting over to 0603 2016-10-04T08:15:43 < aandrew> that is gonna suck balls 2016-10-04T08:15:55 < dongs> wut 2016-10-04T08:15:58 < LeelooMinai> From 0402? 2016-10-04T08:16:21 < aandrew> from 0805 2016-10-04T08:16:32 < dongs> why the shit do you have a F7 with 0805 around it 2016-10-04T08:16:41 < aandrew> because I like ot see the parts 2016-10-04T08:16:43 < LeelooMinai> 0805->0603 is not that big a difference imo 2016-10-04T08:17:00 < LeelooMinai> Now, 0805->0402 is pretty sweet in terms of space gained 2016-10-04T08:17:14 < aandrew> englishman: hahaha 2016-10-04T08:17:16 < aandrew> fuck off :-) 2016-10-04T08:18:27 < LeelooMinai> 0805 -> 40, 0603 -> 18, 0402-> 8 So 0603 is half the area, but 0405 is 1/5th 2016-10-04T08:18:38 < LeelooMinai> 0402* 2016-10-04T08:19:14 < LeelooMinai> It matters a lot if you want tons of decoupling caps - like 100n or 10n, which is usually the case. 2016-10-04T08:19:19 < dongs> no, but i heard you can get it in PLCC 2016-10-04T08:19:48 < LeelooMinai> Also, 0402 package being so small is better for decoupling, due to lower inductance 2016-10-04T08:20:14 < dongs> LeelooMinai: Hi! I think aandrew knows basic EE concepts, thank you. 2016-10-04T08:20:35 < LeelooMinai> dongs: It was for you - I assumed you don't. 2016-10-04T08:21:31 < aandrew> actually that's a math concept and I was gonna ask what the difference in area was but didn't want to be called lazy :-) 2016-10-04T08:22:58 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Your apparent knowledge is difficult to judge because all your statements are interwoven with "shit", "fags", "fucks" and there's only so much time one can spend trying to remove them out and re-read your statements. 2016-10-04T08:23:19 < dongs> keep going. more shit I dont care about. 2016-10-04T08:23:37 < LeelooMinai> Yes, 0805 is imperial and 08 and 05 are sides 2016-10-04T08:23:39 < dongs> bang that keyboard 2016-10-04T08:23:45 < dongs> spread the knowledge. 2016-10-04T08:23:48 < dongs> maybe do it in /msg ohsix tho 2016-10-04T08:23:51 < dongs> spreads beter that way 2016-10-04T08:23:54 < LeelooMinai> 8 being 80 mil, so 2 mm 2016-10-04T08:24:09 < LeelooMinai> So 0805 is 80 mil by 50 mil 2016-10-04T08:25:08 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Did you try sleeping with a stuffed animal toy? Like a little bear or something. 2016-10-04T08:25:20 < LeelooMinai> dongs: It may help... 2016-10-04T08:25:47 < LeelooMinai> You could call it Little Dongy even. 2016-10-04T08:30:15 < dongs> ya pretty amaze 2016-10-04T08:30:54 < stvn> in china? 2016-10-04T08:32:44 * stvn throws a grey cat to englishman 2016-10-04T08:34:23 < aandrew> hm I may end up going to 6l anyway 2016-10-04T08:39:06 < aandrew> yeah this is gonna suck no matter how I slice this 2016-10-04T08:39:25 < aandrew> reduce all passives to 0603 or 0402 and/or go to 6 layers 2016-10-04T08:39:27 < LeelooMinai> Maybe you can make it on two PCBs? 2016-10-04T08:39:37 < LeelooMinai> One on top another in some way maybe. 2016-10-04T08:39:40 < aandrew> this design already is two PCBs :-) 2016-10-04T08:39:58 < LeelooMinai> 6l will be expensive... 2016-10-04T08:39:58 < aandrew> PCB1 has a qualcomm module and some shit on it, PCB2 is the STM32F7 with the kitchen sink 2016-10-04T08:40:17 < aandrew> compared to 4? 2016-10-04T08:40:23 < LeelooMinai> Sure 2016-10-04T08:40:33 < stvn> 6 layer is kawaii 2016-10-04T08:40:33 < dongs> dont be a fucking pussy and route it on 2L 2016-10-04T08:40:57 < stvn> swiss cheese groundplane 2016-10-04T08:41:14 < aandrew> ohsix: I thought we established that already 2016-10-04T08:41:15 < aandrew> yes 2016-10-04T08:41:16 < stvn> i fucking shit you not, those cheap netgear switches are 2L with some BGA chip 2016-10-04T08:41:21 < LeelooMinai> If possible, breaking stuff into modular PCBs can have some +s - you can test them in separation and respinning is much less costly usually. 2016-10-04T08:41:23 < dongs> they are 2016-10-04T08:41:43 < dongs> all cheap router trash is 2L 2016-10-04T08:41:50 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: 60mil by 30mil yes (if that's imperial part) 2016-10-04T08:41:51 < stvn> makes sense 2016-10-04T08:42:13 < dongs> all the lowcost ethernet switch/router chipst trash specifically advertises "Ok for low-cost/2L designs" bla bla 2016-10-04T08:42:28 < stvn> i see 2016-10-04T08:42:34 < LeelooMinai> To make things more confusing 0603 can be both imperial and metrica part:) Same with 0402... 2016-10-04T08:42:58 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface-mount_technology#/media/File:SMT_sizes,_based_on_original_by_Zureks.svg 2016-10-04T08:43:40 < stvn> i remember some old electronics mag ranted it was all over cause SMT was out of react for hobbyist, lol to them 2016-10-04T08:43:55 < dongs> they still do 2016-10-04T08:43:56 < aandrew> well they're not entirely wrong 2016-10-04T08:44:05 < dongs> the only reason fgtduino is still alive 2016-10-04T08:44:10 < dongs> is cuz of DIP atmega328 2016-10-04T08:44:11 < aandrew> personaly I hate how they're printing less and less on passives 2016-10-04T08:44:58 < LeelooMinai> I guess it may happen again. Say if they start embedding components inside PCBs:) 2016-10-04T08:45:05 < PeterM> jesus fuck keyshit just dumped liek 100 3 min vid on their jewtube, thats a quick way to earn an unsub 2016-10-04T08:45:20 < stvn> lol 2016-10-04T08:45:30 < aandrew> PeterM: mind translating that into english? 2016-10-04T08:45:38 < stvn> keysight 2016-10-04T08:45:39 < LeelooMinai> I was just going to ask the same... 2016-10-04T08:45:48 < aandrew> ah 2016-10-04T08:46:19 < stvn> their toes are cleanly sucked by eevblog 2016-10-04T08:46:54 < LeelooMinai> Hmm 2016-10-04T08:48:01 < LeelooMinai> Not so long ago I enetered some daily giveaway from keysight - they were giving sweet scopes daily. I remember they also used that to make some short videos about scope features - maybe they dumped them now or something. 2016-10-04T08:48:21 < LeelooMinai> And yes, I did not win:/ 2016-10-04T08:49:45 < stvn> what is your favourite keysight oscilloscopes 2016-10-04T08:50:09 < LeelooMinai> O right, let me see, I have 10 here on the bench:p 2016-10-04T08:50:21 < stvn> cool, tell me top 3 then 2016-10-04T08:50:44 < LeelooMinai> I think they are pertty much all super-cool when compared to $300 scope I have... 2016-10-04T08:51:08 < LeelooMinai> The "digital phosohor" feature is nice. 2016-10-04T08:51:17 < LeelooMinai> phosphor 2016-10-04T08:52:14 < LeelooMinai> I think Keysights sells some kinf of "regurbished" scopes on ebay though. 2016-10-04T08:52:30 < LeelooMinai> Damn, again: refurbished 2016-10-04T08:52:46 < LeelooMinai> So those are a bit better deal 2016-10-04T08:52:55 < LeelooMinai> regarbidged 2016-10-04T08:52:57 < stvn> do they australia 2016-10-04T08:53:59 < LeelooMinai> stvn: Well, they have whole serious ebay shop there: http://stores.ebay.ca/Keysight 2016-10-04T08:54:15 < LeelooMinai> Keysight Premium Used and Used, whetever those are 2016-10-04T08:54:22 < stvn> http://www.triotest.com.au/shop/keysight-3000-series/2257-keysight-dsox3012a-2-channel-100mhz-oscilloscope.html 2016-10-04T08:54:24 < stvn> lolololol 2016-10-04T08:55:05 < LeelooMinai> I know, brutal:/ 2016-10-04T08:55:18 < stvn> hmm i like the sound of this serial BERT! 2016-10-04T08:55:24 < LeelooMinai> stvn: But you can always get used one! http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Keysight-Used-DSAV164A-Digital-Signal-Analyzer-Oscilloscope-16-GHz-80-40-GSa-s-/191843895528?hash=item2caac988e8 2016-10-04T08:56:07 < LeelooMinai> Damn, that's even not from the most expensive ones 2016-10-04T08:56:08 < stvn> cheaper than a 10Mhz scope in au 2016-10-04T08:56:13 < stvn> duh 2016-10-04T08:56:35 < LeelooMinai> House of a scope, that is a question 2016-10-04T08:57:06 < stvn> i will grab something just like this, when i've got the pocket enough - http://www.ebay.ca/itm/t-Promo-Keysight-Premium-Used-DSOX3054T-Oscilloscope-500-MHz-4-16-Ch-ePromo-/172363007795?hash=item2821a2c733 2016-10-04T08:57:11 < stvn> now thats a pretty scopey 2016-10-04T08:58:16 < LeelooMinai> Right, o well... Maybe in another lifetime. 2016-10-04T08:59:02 < stvn> nah 2016-10-04T08:59:08 < stvn> just gotta buy altium first 2016-10-04T08:59:22 < stvn> which in aussie shekels is over 9000 2016-10-04T08:59:26 < stvn> literally 2016-10-04T08:59:59 < LeelooMinai> You can pirate Altium, but you cannot pirate those scopes:) 2016-10-04T09:00:16 < stvn> mmmmmmm 2016-10-04T09:00:23 < stvn> but its so dirty 2016-10-04T09:01:11 < LeelooMinai> If you make money from it, but just to play with it - who cares imo 2016-10-04T09:01:44 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T09:02:09 < stvn> hmm. 2016-10-04T09:03:26 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5-tIv3mxX8 2016-10-04T09:04:11 < stvn> honey, come outside 2016-10-04T09:10:28 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fortuhzlhkjmgtya] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T09:22:55 < dongs> nice, my History folder for last night's 3am PCB is 1gb 2016-10-04T09:23:48 < stvn> clean 2016-10-04T09:23:58 < dongs> shift-del 2016-10-04T09:24:21 < stvn> wish this biscuit head would deliver my stuff 2016-10-04T09:29:06 < dongs> my fiberglass brush should be here soon 2016-10-04T09:30:54 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-04T09:32:00 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-04T09:39:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T09:49:20 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T09:53:28 < dongs> balls 2016-10-04T09:53:45 < upgrdman> ohsix, re: my vid, thanks 2016-10-04T09:53:57 < dongs> some trash failed EN60335 and now i gotta fix t eh pcb thaT i didnt evne make 2016-10-04T09:55:39 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:cc53:a2d7:b85d:ab97] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-04T09:57:09 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:cc53:a2d7:b85d:ab97] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T09:58:02 < stvn> just get a metal box and 100 ferrites mate 2016-10-04T10:11:17 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T10:16:25 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:cc53:a2d7:b85d:ab97] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-04T10:20:25 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T10:22:00 < stvn> dongs, i remember telling you about jobs i take on due to hack butchers munting shit right - http://i.imgur.com/CQh93dq.jpg 2016-10-04T10:22:18 < stvn> at any one time i stock 10x of that FFC 2016-10-04T10:23:28 < dongs> heh, do they fuck it up? 2016-10-04T10:23:51 < stvn> course they do 2016-10-04T10:24:00 < stvn> then the LCD display starts wigging out and dropping 2016-10-04T10:27:22 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/dEkPZD7.jpg nice. 2016-10-04T10:27:31 < dongs> didnt know they made those 144-nucleos without ethernet 2016-10-04T10:27:33 < dongs> reusing same pcbn 2016-10-04T10:27:52 < stvn> u buy? 2016-10-04T10:28:00 < dongs> free 2016-10-04T10:28:05 < stvn> \o/ 2016-10-04T10:28:09 < stvn> stm partner mate 2016-10-04T10:28:12 < dongs> aye 2016-10-04T10:28:42 < stvn> iirc microchip had official 'certified consultant' EEs 2016-10-04T10:28:49 < dongs> pro irc EE 2016-10-04T10:28:54 < stvn> 4real 2016-10-04T10:29:06 < dongs> i donno if thats same but 2016-10-04T10:29:09 < stvn> close 2016-10-04T10:29:14 < dongs> when they bought SMSC, they carried over their lancheck service 2016-10-04T10:29:19 < stvn> ok 2016-10-04T10:29:20 < upgrdman> dongs, are those solder bridges at the corners of the LQFP? 2016-10-04T10:29:33 < dongs> which opens a ticket in thier shit and pro EE handles your request 2016-10-04T10:29:34 < dongs> for free 2016-10-04T10:29:37 < upgrdman> looks like weird ghetto fiducals 2016-10-04T10:29:43 < dongs> upgrdman: they're kinda just pads at 45" 2016-10-04T10:29:47 < dongs> filled wiht solder 2016-10-04T10:29:49 < dongs> no idea why yeah 2016-10-04T10:29:54 < upgrdman> ya why 2016-10-04T10:29:55 < upgrdman> ok 2016-10-04T10:30:01 < dongs> all nucleous have it 2016-10-04T10:30:02 < LeelooMinai> For alignment 2016-10-04T10:30:05 < dongs> i have a F401RE also with same shit 2016-10-04T10:30:16 < stvn> i just have f4 and f429 discoz 2016-10-04T10:30:32 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, why 2016-10-04T10:30:42 < upgrdman> you dont need to apply solder to fiducals 2016-10-04T10:30:50 < upgrdman> and it doesnt look wave soldered 2016-10-04T10:30:52 < dongs> eaxctly, or they stop being fiducials 2016-10-04T10:30:55 < stvn> well yeah 2016-10-04T10:31:03 < stvn> i'd say wave but like 2016-10-04T10:31:03 < LeelooMinai> Not that everything has solder there 2016-10-04T10:31:11 < LeelooMinai> Note* 2016-10-04T10:31:22 < upgrdman> no it doesnt you stupid canadian 2016-10-04T10:31:25 < dongs> incorrect 2016-10-04T10:31:29 < dongs> there's a unpopulated crystal 2016-10-04T10:31:30 < upgrdman> look at the unpop'd pin headers 2016-10-04T10:31:31 < stvn> oh fuck the cat is back 2016-10-04T10:31:31 < dongs> and it has no solder 2016-10-04T10:32:01 < upgrdman> and if it was wave... those micro usb sockets would be douched in solder 2016-10-04T10:32:01 < dongs> k time to drive bbl 2016-10-04T10:35:55 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:cc53:a2d7:b85d:ab97] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T10:36:10 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJXqnYCWW7Y 2016-10-04T10:39:51 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.6] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T10:42:16 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-33-215.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.9.2 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 2016-10-04T10:46:26 -!- I-Wish [~I-Wish@85.254.77.58] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T10:51:00 -!- dohzer [~dohzer@59-102-29-141.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T10:53:25 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/63xDaIdA/vapist.png 2016-10-04T10:53:40 < stvn> plumes 2016-10-04T10:53:51 < stvn> by GNU 2016-10-04T10:54:24 < ReadErr> do you think RMS is a vapist? 2016-10-04T10:55:00 < stvn> probably 2016-10-04T10:55:33 < stvn> or an insatiable scat fiend 2016-10-04T10:55:45 < ReadErr> why cant he be both? 2016-10-04T10:55:54 < stvn> with a perchant for delicious toe jam 2016-10-04T10:56:00 < stvn> yeah 2016-10-04T10:56:19 < stvn> thanks for taking your time to accompany me on ##stm32 2016-10-04T10:58:02 < ReadErr> its not the destination but the journey 2016-10-04T10:59:51 < stvn> exactly 2016-10-04T11:00:05 < stvn> and that's why i say vote #1 for Tectu 2016-10-04T11:03:40 < ReadErr> what are we voting on 2016-10-04T11:04:15 < ReadErr> who needs a shower? 2016-10-04T11:04:57 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-122-13.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T11:06:00 < stvn> sure 2016-10-04T11:06:35 < stvn> i'm fixing cd players tonight 2016-10-04T11:07:06 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-04T11:07:58 -!- tecdroid_ [~icke@tmo-114-183.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T11:08:19 < Fleck> I need my cdplayer fixed :/ 2016-10-04T11:08:33 < stvn> what's wrong with it? 2016-10-04T11:08:56 < Fleck> it works only when I like, put in angle... 2016-10-04T11:09:06 < stvn> make/model 2016-10-04T11:09:11 < Fleck> if it stays flat - skips 2016-10-04T11:09:28 < Fleck> I don't know :D old panasonic I guess, ir philips :P 2016-10-04T11:09:33 < Fleck> *or 2016-10-04T11:09:37 < upgrdman> stvn, you repair expensive ones? kinda surprised people would pay to have a cd player repaired. 2016-10-04T11:09:46 < ReadErr> isnt stvn the panadonics wizard 2016-10-04T11:09:55 < ReadErr> or wait 2016-10-04T11:09:56 < ReadErr> pioneer 2016-10-04T11:10:11 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-122-13.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-04T11:10:27 < stvn> pioneer CDJ2000NXS2 costs $3300Aud 2016-10-04T11:10:29 < stvn> so yeah 2016-10-04T11:10:38 < upgrdman> o ok 2016-10-04T11:11:22 < upgrdman> well thats a lot more than just a cd player 2016-10-04T11:11:22 < stvn> i replaced a traverse mech the other week cause some dickhead dropped it so hard the plastic mount shattered 2016-10-04T11:11:41 < stvn> yeah i posted pics of the mainboard has like a fucken $60 per1pc dsp 2016-10-04T11:12:04 < stvn> tms320c6655 2016-10-04T11:12:50 < ReadErr> do they make such things as 'dumb' DIN 'PID' controllers 2016-10-04T11:12:56 < ReadErr> something that just modulates pwm 2016-10-04T11:13:11 < stvn> prolly 2016-10-04T11:13:16 < ReadErr> im sure they do I just duno what they are called 2016-10-04T11:13:32 < stvn> they make shitty bang-bang controllers and call them PIDs in china 2016-10-04T11:14:07 < upgrdman> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=pid+controller&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xdin+pid+controller.TRS0&_nkw=din+pid+controller&_sacat=0 2016-10-04T11:14:34 < ReadErr> upgrdman: right, I have several 2016-10-04T11:14:39 < ReadErr> but I dont want the feedback part 2016-10-04T11:14:42 -!- I-Wish [~I-Wish@85.254.77.58] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.9.2 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 2016-10-04T11:14:52 < upgrdman> stvn, wuts bang bang mean 2016-10-04T11:14:58 < ReadErr> mostly just regulating duty cycle 2016-10-04T11:15:29 < stvn> just on off 2016-10-04T11:15:31 < jpa-> so you want a dimmer? :P 2016-10-04T11:15:36 < stvn> maybe with hysteresis if you're lucky lol 2016-10-04T11:15:55 < ReadErr> jpa-: ya sorta 2016-10-04T11:16:08 < ReadErr> but something more industrial and flexible 2016-10-04T11:16:16 < stvn> diy 2016-10-04T11:16:39 < stvn> i'd assume you'd be familiar with control systems from undergrad courses ya? 2016-10-04T11:16:41 < ReadErr> dont have the time for that 2016-10-04T11:16:50 < stvn> its a few lines of code 2016-10-04T11:16:54 < ReadErr> also im fucking with AC 2016-10-04T11:16:59 < ReadErr> and thats one of my fears 2016-10-04T11:17:06 < stvn> alternating current? 2016-10-04T11:17:09 < ReadErr> I trust the chinese engineering far more than my own 2016-10-04T11:17:13 < ReadErr> yes 2016-10-04T11:17:18 < stvn> hmmm.... 2016-10-04T11:17:36 < ReadErr> SSR is DC 2016-10-04T11:17:38 < stvn> jpa did cool vector control thing on his git 2016-10-04T11:17:45 < stvn> iirc 2016-10-04T11:18:13 < jpa-> .. what does that have to do with this? 2016-10-04T11:18:36 < jpa-> i don't think ReadErr is controlling a BLDC motor 2016-10-04T11:18:52 < ReadErr> I want to be able to set the min/max duty cycle 2016-10-04T11:18:58 < ReadErr> and just be able to adjust between 2016-10-04T11:19:29 < stvn> he should make one too 2016-10-04T11:19:37 < stvn> it'd be good learnin' 2016-10-04T11:20:02 < stvn> in my undergrad i did a PMSM controller using model predictive control 2016-10-04T11:20:06 < ReadErr> its not the 'learning' part 2016-10-04T11:20:08 < jpa-> ReadErr: adjust how? 2016-10-04T11:20:13 < ReadErr> its easy enough to output pwm 2016-10-04T11:20:13 < jpa-> potentiometer? 2016-10-04T11:20:19 < ReadErr> jpa-: or buttons 2016-10-04T11:20:19 < stvn> mmm 2016-10-04T11:20:30 < ReadErr> doesnt matter too much 2016-10-04T11:20:50 < jpa-> if you had something to output the pwm, you could just slam a SSR there 2016-10-04T11:20:57 < ReadErr> right I know I could make one 2016-10-04T11:20:59 < stvn> yeah 2016-10-04T11:21:07 < ReadErr> but rather spend 30$ and get some shit from amazon by thur 2016-10-04T11:21:19 < ReadErr> that I can hook AC up to and not worry about 2016-10-04T11:21:28 < jpa-> ah, so it has to be industrial but cost $30? 2016-10-04T11:21:56 < jpa-> seems niche enough that probably doesn't exist 2016-10-04T11:22:07 < ReadErr> jpa-: pid controllers only cost 15-25 2016-10-04T11:22:10 < jpa-> you could reprogram a chinese PID if you trust those more than yourself 2016-10-04T11:22:16 < ReadErr> and I want something even dumber 2016-10-04T11:22:22 < stvn> hmmm 2016-10-04T11:22:23 < jpa-> ReadErr: yeah, but that is because of volume 2016-10-04T11:22:26 < stvn> dumber than china 2016-10-04T11:22:32 < stvn> let me whip up kicad brb 2016-10-04T11:22:36 < jpa-> ReadErr: you could hook up a potentiometer to PID controller and set I/D to 0 2016-10-04T11:23:26 < ReadErr> figured there might be a model that has a setting for this 2016-10-04T11:23:32 < ReadErr> but just wasnt sure the search term to find it 2016-10-04T11:23:35 < stvn> a PID 2016-10-04T11:23:37 < stvn> . 2016-10-04T11:23:41 < ReadErr> fuck off stvn 2016-10-04T11:23:48 < stvn> <3 2016-10-04T11:24:12 < jpa-> hmm, actually; if you just put a constant voltage (e.g. 0?) to the feedback on a PID controller, it should work when you adjust the setpoint with the buttons 2016-10-04T11:24:23 < jpa-> then just set P term so that you get e.g. nice 0 to 100 range 2016-10-04T11:24:34 < ReadErr> jpa-: I noticed some fuckery with them, they try to be too smart 2016-10-04T11:24:45 < ReadErr> but I can give that a try 2016-10-04T11:24:52 < jpa-> some have deadband which you probably want to disable 2016-10-04T11:24:57 < stvn> did i miss what the load is 2016-10-04T11:25:06 < ReadErr> doesnt matter what the load is 2016-10-04T11:25:10 < stvn> okay 2016-10-04T11:25:12 < stvn> . 2016-10-04T11:27:32 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T11:28:27 < stvn> also Fleck did you try cleaning the lens on your laser mech 2016-10-04T11:28:50 < Fleck> yes 2016-10-04T11:28:56 < stvn> most units i service either have a layer of dust or haze/fog machine crap on them 2016-10-04T11:29:14 < Fleck> I press on CD when it spins, stars reading ok :D 2016-10-04T11:29:21 < stvn> focus and tracking coils measure ok? 2016-10-04T11:29:35 -!- dohzer [~dohzer@59-102-29-141.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-04T11:29:43 < Fleck> no clue what you just asked :D 2016-10-04T11:29:49 < stvn> tis okay 2016-10-04T11:30:38 < stvn> most of the time you just replace the laser mech... hunt for a genuine one ~$10 2016-10-04T11:31:23 < Fleck> why tilting it works then? 2016-10-04T11:31:27 < Fleck> doesn't make sense :D 2016-10-04T11:31:43 < stvn> sure it does 2016-10-04T11:32:10 < stvn> the first thing it tries to do is get a focus lock 2016-10-04T11:33:59 < stvn> regardless you'll probably find the LD current is high, meaning the LD is spent 2016-10-04T11:33:59 < Fleck> on flat surface it skips audio 2016-10-04T11:34:16 < Fleck> tilting case to like 30degree forwards - ok 2016-10-04T11:34:45 < stvn> probably makes it easier for the spent traverse mech to get a proper lock 2016-10-04T11:34:56 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-04T11:37:52 < stvn> for historical notion this is a common problemo with sony PS2, the bus voltage for the focus servo is too high. burns out the coils when trying to read dirty discs 2016-10-04T11:50:06 < stvn> dongs, https://www.buzzfeed.com/jemimaskelley/14-homemade-bongs-thatll-make-you-proud-to-be-australian 2016-10-04T11:56:41 -!- ntfreak_ is now known as ntfreak 2016-10-04T11:58:13 < PeterM> im surprised there is no https://postmediavancouversun.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/ifwt420-sodacanpipe.jpeg 2016-10-04T11:59:07 < stvn> the advanced vessel mate 2016-10-04T11:59:38 < stvn> surprised there wasn't any double/triple chamber units 2016-10-04T12:01:06 -!- tecdroid_ [~icke@tmo-114-183.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-04T12:01:38 < stvn> in my teen years this bloke i'd go motorbike riding with 'rhys and his piece' mate 2016-10-04T12:02:31 -!- tecdroid_ [~icke@tmo-103-130.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T12:03:02 < stvn> had this rather elaborately constructed bong and at least 4 ounces of homegrown weed in his room 2016-10-04T12:12:48 < stvn> https://vid.me/sGbf 2016-10-04T12:19:40 < stvn> this is my advanced acceptance test 2016-10-04T12:27:32 < dongs> < ReadErr> do you think RMS is a rapist? 2016-10-04T12:27:34 < dongs> ftfy 2016-10-04T12:28:02 < stvn> skylake on irc http://i.imgur.com/Sv1xPs2.png 2016-10-04T12:29:43 < dongs> lol i think its same shit i got 2016-10-04T12:29:45 < dongs> yes 2016-10-04T12:29:58 < stvn> yeah no overcucking 2016-10-04T12:30:26 < stvn> did you see my tutorial vid 2016-10-04T12:30:37 < dongs> ARM tutorial? 2016-10-04T12:30:46 < stvn> nah cd player tute for fleck 2016-10-04T12:31:02 < dongs> fleck is a bit of a cunt 2016-10-04T12:31:07 < stvn> i like fleck 2016-10-04T12:31:13 < stvn> he told me i was insane 2016-10-04T12:31:22 < dongs> why is there a cig 2016-10-04T12:31:31 < Fleck> I did? 2016-10-04T12:31:33 < stvn> cause it's an acceptance test for field applications 2016-10-04T12:31:38 < stvn> Fleck, yeah ages ago 2016-10-04T12:40:25 -!- tecdroid_ [~icke@tmo-103-130.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-04T12:42:45 < ReadErr> wikicucked 2016-10-04T12:42:50 < ReadErr> DRONE ASSANGE 2016-10-04T12:47:32 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-04T12:59:35 -!- fenugrec [~R@142-217-93-241.telebecinternet.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T13:01:46 < dongs> Thank you for your interest in the Fairchild FUSB302 USB Type-C product. 2016-10-04T13:01:46 < dongs> After evaluating your request, we’ll send you an email with further information and instructions. 2016-10-04T13:01:49 < dongs> wat 2016-10-04T13:02:53 -!- tecdroid_ [~icke@2a01:598:90a3:a43b:d27e:35ff:fe97:9f87] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T13:07:14 < karlp> "we haven't actually made it yet" 2016-10-04T13:07:21 < dongs> thats possible 2016-10-04T13:07:36 < dongs> wait waht 2016-10-04T13:07:39 < dongs> fairchild = onsemi? 2016-10-04T13:08:18 < stvn> what 2016-10-04T13:08:23 < stvn> you sick fuck 2016-10-04T13:08:30 < dongs> the pdf says this 2016-10-04T13:08:45 < dongs> http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/newsItem.do?article=3452 heh 2016-10-04T13:09:10 < stvn> https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/170096.jpg 2016-10-04T13:17:13 < stvn> farkkk 2016-10-04T13:18:22 < sync> dongs: it is true 2016-10-04T13:19:53 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-04T13:21:11 < karlp> farichild was bought and sold all the time. 2016-10-04T13:23:16 < sync> they have some baller parts tho 2016-10-04T13:27:55 < dongs> sync what do you know about EN60335-1/2 trash 2016-10-04T13:28:05 < stvn> wut 2016-10-04T13:28:09 < stvn> is that emc 2016-10-04T13:28:11 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-04T13:28:16 < stvn> <3 2016-10-04T13:29:03 < dongs> these faggots failed it and I have to deal with it, something about L/N spacing and HV/DC separation 2016-10-04T13:29:17 < stvn> thats just layout yeh 2016-10-04T13:29:22 < stvn> for electrical safety 2016-10-04T13:29:37 < dongs> yeah but i dono where the count starts from 2016-10-04T13:29:48 < dongs> looking at PCB i can't get the same measurements these cunts got 2016-10-04T13:30:01 < stvn> learn creepage and clearance 2016-10-04T13:31:21 < dongs> "No industry standard applies to this package" 2016-10-04T13:31:21 < karlp> ReadErr: you just want like a electric element controller, 2016-10-04T13:31:28 < karlp> no pid, just a knob for more/less pwm 2016-10-04T13:31:48 < ReadErr> karlp: well I want to be able to set the min/max duty cycle 2016-10-04T13:32:07 < ReadErr> no pid though 2016-10-04T13:34:01 < sync> dongs: I know some things about that 2016-10-04T13:34:03 < stvn> 555 represent 2016-10-04T13:34:41 < dongs> sync, any idea from wehre to where tehy measure stuff? 2016-10-04T13:36:11 < sync> no idea, I'd need to see a pic of the layout 2016-10-04T13:36:12 < ReadErr> This is a bid for set of temperature controller TA6-SNR, K type thermocouple and solid state relay SSR-25DA. The dual line display universal digital programmable temperature controller supports many types of thermocouple sensor. It can be powered by 90-265V AC/DC, Comsumption:5VA. DIN 1/8. It can also worked as simple digital adjustor; The solid state relay 2016-10-04T13:36:12 < ReadErr> SSR-25DA;The 6 feet K type thermocouple. 2016-10-04T13:36:22 < ReadErr> wish these chinese could speak english 2016-10-04T13:36:30 < ReadErr> It can also worked as simple digital adjustor 2016-10-04T13:36:33 < ReadErr> the fuck does this even mean 2016-10-04T13:37:11 < stvn> well fuck that 2016-10-04T13:37:32 < stvn> dongs, sometimes you have to buy the standard 2016-10-04T13:37:44 < stvn> probably less than $300USD 2016-10-04T13:38:14 < PeterM> do you jsut want on off hysteretic control ReadErr? 2016-10-04T13:38:26 < ReadErr> just a dumb duty cycle controller 2016-10-04T13:38:29 < ReadErr> no feedback 2016-10-04T13:38:44 < BrainDamage> you want a dimmer? 2016-10-04T13:38:52 < sync> stvn: or just cloner it 2016-10-04T13:38:55 < ReadErr> missed the part about min/max 2016-10-04T13:38:59 < stvn> i had to buy AS/NZS CISPR 15:2011 when i was LEDing 2016-10-04T13:39:30 < PeterM> ReadErr, list all requrements in 1 clear and concise sentence 2016-10-04T13:40:17 < ReadErr> I would like a magic box that can be powered by 120V AC, allows me to set the minimum pulse width and the maximum and can output its pwm to a SSR 2016-10-04T13:40:34 < ReadErr> and then some means of adjusting between min/max via buttons or a knob 2016-10-04T13:40:46 < jpa-> and costs $30 2016-10-04T13:41:01 < ReadErr> eh nah, but being able to order it on prime is a bonus 2016-10-04T13:41:08 < jpa-> then just any plc 2016-10-04T13:41:47 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/Inkbird-Digital-Switch-110-220V-IDT-E2RH/dp/B008KV65MS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1475577697&sr=8-1&keywords=DIN+timer 2016-10-04T13:42:27 < PeterM> jsut oshfark it + shitty phoen charger psu 2016-10-04T13:42:49 < ReadErr> yea trying to avoid all that 2016-10-04T13:42:52 < PeterM> you can get exactly what you want and it'd take like 20 misn to do with anal(lol)og stuff 2016-10-04T13:42:59 < ReadErr> yea its easy enough to code 2016-10-04T13:43:09 < ReadErr> but something has to exist 2016-10-04T13:43:19 < ReadErr> im just not sure the terms used to search/find 2016-10-04T13:43:21 < stvn> http://mail.cluce.it/download/CERTIFICATI_ENEC_EMC_ISO/EMC_Avantgarde_C_Pro_Plus_NEMKO.pdf 2016-10-04T13:43:25 < stvn> dirty rigs 2016-10-04T13:43:33 < jpa-> ReadErr: so what would you do with it? 2016-10-04T13:44:24 < ReadErr> regulate power to a heating element 2016-10-04T13:44:40 < ReadErr> but w/o the need of a thermocouple and not be able to overdrive it 2016-10-04T13:44:48 < PeterM> the "settign min/max duty cycle" basically cuts all of my suggestiosn from the lsit 2016-10-04T13:44:55 < dongs> sync: chinks said this: http://i.imgur.com/hwjc5Cr.png (l/n separation minimum 4mm, now 2.2mm) but looking at layout tiself http://i.imgur.com/ucS6A2S.png i dont see 2.2mm anywehre so wat gives 2016-10-04T13:46:37 < karlp> just super glue some stoppers ona normal dimmer 2016-10-04T13:46:39 -!- Laurenceb__ 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goes back to having poor resolution between the extremes 2016-10-04T13:49:15 < stvn> https://vid.me/wDwO 2016-10-04T13:49:27 < karlp> PeterM: dimmer/element controller, whatever. 2016-10-04T13:49:42 < karlp> reader is being pretty obtuse with his requirement on a min/max set limit. 2016-10-04T13:49:45 < ReadErr> lol stvn 2016-10-04T13:49:45 < PeterM> karlp they're all triac controlelrs 2016-10-04T13:49:56 < stvn> this whole thing is blown 2016-10-04T13:49:59 < ReadErr> karlp: I have a fine window I need to work within 2016-10-04T13:50:05 < PeterM> no pwm 2016-10-04T13:50:39 < karlp> sounds like his requirements are getting further and further away from off the shelf then. 2016-10-04T13:51:05 < karlp> oh, PeterM, seeing as you're here: where did these come from? http://imgur.com/a/5nycX 2016-10-04T13:51:08 < ReadErr> it would work fine with a cheap chinese DIN PID controller 2016-10-04T13:51:18 < ReadErr> if they would let you ignore the input portion 2016-10-04T13:51:29 < PeterM> actualyl, a triac dimmer might be possible with soem extra resistors + diodes to impose minimum and maximum limits 2016-10-04T13:51:50 < ReadErr> I have a variac 2016-10-04T13:51:51 < PeterM> and still get you decent resolution between those limits 2016-10-04T13:52:00 < ReadErr> but dont think it will do the wattage I need 2016-10-04T13:52:08 < ReadErr> its a pretty shit one 2016-10-04T13:53:18 < PeterM> yeah, variacs arent good forthis application 2016-10-04T13:54:38 -!- tecdroid_ [~icke@2a01:598:90a3:a43b:d27e:35ff:fe97:9f87] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-04T13:56:12 < sync> dongs: what category does that fall into? 2016-10-04T13:56:38 < dongs> -1, -2-40, -2-98 2016-10-04T13:56:44 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fortuhzlhkjmgtya] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2016-10-04T13:57:14 < sync> but that does not look like the layout for it 2016-10-04T13:57:24 < dongs> their pic is upside down 2016-10-04T13:57:31 < dongs> thats on bottom of board 2016-10-04T13:57:36 < sync> well, yeah but there are different categories for the spacings 2016-10-04T13:57:47 < dongs> hm 2016-10-04T13:59:35 < sync> what working voltage and which over voltage cat/surface contamination cat 2016-10-04T14:00:15 < dongs> lolol fuck i wish i knew. im gonna dong these cunts tomorrow for proper docs. 2016-10-04T14:00:21 < dongs> they just gave me the failure report in chink which I cant even read 2016-10-04T14:00:43 < sync> well 2016-10-04T14:00:53 < sync> what is the device gonna be used for 2016-10-04T14:00:53 < dongs> i see nothign on it relevant to waht you asked 2016-10-04T14:00:57 < sync> has it a plug 2016-10-04T14:01:06 < sync> is it permanently installed and shit 2016-10-04T14:01:10 < dongs> permanently installed 2016-10-04T14:01:48 < sync> so directly connected to mains? 2016-10-04T14:01:53 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/QV3s0YY.png like.. mains through this this 2016-10-04T14:01:54 < dongs> yes 2016-10-04T14:02:10 < dongs> the white/green 2016-10-04T14:02:22 < dongs> err, white/black and green is gnd 2016-10-04T14:02:31 < stvn> yeah that clearance is poo 2016-10-04T14:02:32 < sync> 4000V peak voltage then 2016-10-04T14:02:38 < sync> need 3mm clearance min 2016-10-04T14:02:42 < stvn> love the hipot 4k 2016-10-04T14:03:09 < stvn> the only hipot i have access to does 3.5kv 2016-10-04T14:03:14 < dongs> sync, according to altidumb there's 3.1mm 2016-10-04T14:03:33 < sync> not in your picture 2016-10-04T14:03:39 < sync> you need 3mm all around 2016-10-04T14:03:59 < stvn> looking at the connector should give you an indicitive point 2016-10-04T14:04:02 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/k7CCfJj.png 2016-10-04T14:04:18 < dongs> you mean connector spacing? 2016-10-04T14:04:24 < sync> lemme scroll through the shit 2016-10-04T14:04:34 < stvn> yeah look at the pitch of that connector 2016-10-04T14:04:37 < sync> can you get conductive contamination? 2016-10-04T14:04:51 < dongs> dont even know what that is 2016-10-04T14:04:59 < sync> like dust 2016-10-04T14:05:04 < karlp> you need to pull back any plane there too. 2016-10-04T14:05:04 < dongs> no its in enclosure 2016-10-04T14:05:06 < stvn> foreign shit on the board 2016-10-04T14:05:11 < stvn> is it ip67 2016-10-04T14:05:13 < stvn> lul 2016-10-04T14:05:20 < sync> dustproof enclosure? 2016-10-04T14:05:21 < dongs> pitch of the connectors behind it is like 7.92mm 2016-10-04T14:05:31 < sync> well, then you need like 5-5.6mm clearance there 2016-10-04T14:05:51 < stvn> loving that fat wad of copper on the N terminal 2016-10-04T14:05:54 -!- fenugrec [~R@142-217-93-241.telebecinternet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-04T14:06:41 < stvn> just looks like terrible practice 2016-10-04T14:07:36 < stvn> i'm just going to pick a board off the pack 2016-10-04T14:07:55 < stvn> and my mitutoyos 2016-10-04T14:08:38 < stvn> 4.13mm L-N 2016-10-04T14:09:33 < sync> dongs: what is the cti value of your board? 2016-10-04T14:10:35 < dongs> hell if I know.. lets see if the idiot will lknow 2016-10-04T14:10:48 < dongs> you mean of the PCB itself orw aT? 2016-10-04T14:10:51 < dongs> its just standard shit FR4 2016-10-04T14:10:54 < sync> k 2016-10-04T14:11:00 < sync> well then I'll be able to google it 2016-10-04T14:11:44 < sync> hm larger than 175 2016-10-04T14:12:02 < sync> which is group 3a 2016-10-04T14:12:43 < sync> yeah I suppose they want you to have 4mm there 2016-10-04T14:12:57 < dongs> ok 2016-10-04T14:13:05 < dongs> that matches with what chinks say (4.0) but I don't see how they're getting 2.2mm 2016-10-04T14:13:11 < dongs> in that layout pic i posted 2016-10-04T14:13:17 < stvn> fuck their shit 2016-10-04T14:13:19 < dongs> 2.2mm between end of connector and the hole? 2016-10-04T14:13:58 < sync> maybe they are measuring from the end of the zone under it? 2016-10-04T14:14:15 < dongs> the only 2.2 i see is connector -> hole 2016-10-04T14:14:34 < stvn> lost in translation 2016-10-04T14:14:58 < stvn> my emc engineer can just tell me the standards but yeah 2016-10-04T14:15:06 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/8mshoJ2.png 2016-10-04T14:15:20 < dongs> like thats sorta around 2.2 2016-10-04T14:15:28 < stvn> but it means nothing right 2016-10-04T14:16:16 < karlp> dongs, what's the spacing to the next bit of copper down there? 2016-10-04T14:16:25 < stvn> the thing could be stuck in that through hole right> 2016-10-04T14:16:26 < karlp> isnt't that what they're complaining about? 2016-10-04T14:16:27 < dongs> L to N below? 2016-10-04T14:16:34 < stvn> that's what i'd think 2016-10-04T14:16:40 < dongs> 3.175 2016-10-04T14:17:02 < dongs> hmm 2016-10-04T14:17:22 < stvn> worst case in a double insulated PSU I'm measuring is like 2mm between L-N 2016-10-04T14:17:49 < dongs> hm i think i see th e fuckup 2016-10-04T14:17:50 < karlp> stvn: that's way less than we were allowed to get away with 2016-10-04T14:18:17 < karlp> but I aovided getting involved in that shit last time. 2016-10-04T14:18:31 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/aUnUmJJ.png 2016-10-04T14:18:40 < karlp> I just know that if you ever got a fail form the test dudes, you're fucked, and tehy're going to be arseholes forever 2016-10-04T14:18:43 < sync> stvn: that is actually acceptable 2016-10-04T14:18:45 < dongs> i think the top connector needs to go down a bit 2016-10-04T14:18:55 < dongs> and that copper trash reduced so that its 4.xxmm as the diagonal spacing 2016-10-04T14:19:02 < dongs> i wonder if that would break otehr shit tho 2016-10-04T14:19:02 < stvn> karlp, yeah i wouldn't even think about it in my own shizz 2016-10-04T14:19:07 < dongs> like spacing between connectors or some other crap 2016-10-04T14:19:50 < karlp> dongs: yeah, move top connector down, increase spacing where Y is. 2016-10-04T14:20:01 < dongs> right 2016-10-04T14:20:17 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/XBMWJ9r.jpg 2016-10-04T14:20:36 < dongs> 250V DE CHEZ 2016-10-04T14:20:42 < dongs> NIPPON 2016-10-04T14:21:01 < stvn> brother sanken 2016-10-04T14:21:58 < sync> karlp: hm, I usually had good experience with test houses 2016-10-04T14:22:50 < stvn> isolation barrier on this psu is like 7mm though 2016-10-04T14:23:04 < karlp> yeh, well, if they decide to fail you on one thing, they'll end up failing you on things they wouldn't have otherwise failed you for 2016-10-04T14:25:00 < stvn> hhahah yeah 2016-10-04T14:25:12 < stvn> "i'll just keep testing it until it fails" 2016-10-04T14:25:25 < stvn> heard that line more than once. 2016-10-04T14:26:07 < karlp> we got a minor fail on one thing, then they thre3w in a sink of bullshit 2016-10-04T14:26:28 < karlp> ended up having to rotate a connector 180 degrees, "something might touch those screws otherwise" 2016-10-04T14:26:31 < karlp> wankers 2016-10-04T14:26:35 < stvn> it's a nice game 2016-10-04T14:26:40 < karlp> it's a scam game. 2016-10-04T14:26:41 < dongs> ok i got a plan 2016-10-04T14:26:47 < stvn> that too karlp 2016-10-04T14:26:53 -!- damme_ [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T14:27:24 < sync> I usually go to another testhouse in that case karlp 2016-10-04T14:27:24 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/EqFJYjL.png how about this 2016-10-04T14:27:31 < karlp> "you didn't include high voltage warning stickers on yoru CTs" => fail. 2016-10-04T14:27:37 < sync> yeah why not dongs 2016-10-04T14:27:44 < karlp> fuck you. noone's cts have hv warning stickers on them 2016-10-04T14:27:44 < dongs> karlp: one of the fails here is "ground symbol is missing" 2016-10-04T14:27:56 < karlp> yeah, you got hte sink thrown at you for one thing 2016-10-04T14:27:58 < dongs> like, silkscreen 2016-10-04T14:28:18 * stvn passes dongs another spliff 2016-10-04T14:28:28 < karlp> yeah, that should make them happier too. 2016-10-04T14:28:43 < karlp> (re your pullback on the pour image) 2016-10-04T14:29:08 < stvn> if it's L-N clearance you're fighting sure 2016-10-04T14:29:28 < stvn> i have this sinking suspicion something has been lost in translation 2016-10-04T14:29:47 < stvn> however those are the primitives to me when i lay shit like that out 2016-10-04T14:29:55 < karlp> the image with the red line on it was clearl the L-N cleranace he's fixing now 2016-10-04T14:30:03 < stvn> yeah 2016-10-04T14:30:32 < stvn> i can understand laying out fat tracks if you don't know your 'oz of copper' 2016-10-04T14:31:52 < stvn> i've seen some very custom busbars in my time though 2016-10-04T14:32:17 < stvn> 40-100A tracks 2016-10-04T14:33:41 < stvn> and some rather sexy litz wire i might add 2016-10-04T14:38:24 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/LeL3aXZ.png y/n/m 2016-10-04T14:38:52 < stvn> well if 4mm is the spec 2016-10-04T14:38:59 < stvn> can't see that failing 2016-10-04T14:39:51 < stvn> you're not going to be cutting slits in the board 2016-10-04T14:43:52 < stvn> if i was laying it out myself it'd look more like - http://i.imgur.com/xe0CdFR.png 2016-10-04T14:44:25 < stvn> i know it doesn't really make a difference 2016-10-04T14:44:42 < dongs> right, i duno why they blobbed that in ther 2016-10-04T14:44:55 < stvn> cause they're twits 2016-10-04T14:47:12 < stvn> the important thing is you don't have to change the connectors 2016-10-04T14:51:20 < dongs> ok 2016-10-04T14:51:24 < dongs> 4mm solved i g uess 2016-10-04T14:54:07 < stvn> 1.4mm between the DC bus cap on this matsushita PSU i'm looking at ~340VDC 2016-10-04T14:54:15 < dongs> oh wait 2016-10-04T14:54:20 < dongs> that 2.7mm pic is also in same area 2016-10-04T14:54:30 < stvn> pic? 2016-10-04T14:54:30 < dongs> thats the backside of L/N/GND 2016-10-04T14:54:43 < stvn> yeah wat 2016-10-04T14:54:51 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/hwjc5Cr.png 2016-10-04T14:54:51 < dongs> this 2016-10-04T14:55:13 < dongs> L/N to edge of PCB? 2016-10-04T14:55:15 < stvn> i cant see the copper on black pcb 2016-10-04T14:55:22 < stvn> not sure about that per se 2016-10-04T14:55:37 < stvn> maybe that is the actual prob 2016-10-04T14:55:40 < karlp> yeah, just edge of pcb 2016-10-04T14:55:44 < karlp> just pull it in. 2016-10-04T14:55:53 < stvn> never seen a connector that close in my memory 2016-10-04T14:55:57 < stvn> maybe that is the main problem 2016-10-04T14:56:17 < dongs> hmm i think they're bitching about spacing to GND_EARTH net 2016-10-04T14:56:31 < stvn> mmmyes 2016-10-04T14:56:44 < stvn> you'd wanna keep that spaced away 2016-10-04T14:56:54 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/elc07Ta.png thats the 2.7 thing that i can see 2016-10-04T14:56:57 < dongs> they say should be 3.2 2016-10-04T14:57:20 < stvn> wtf man 2016-10-04T14:57:30 < stvn> get that thing out of the way then 2016-10-04T14:57:43 < dongs> well i dunno if thats the complaint 2016-10-04T14:57:46 < dongs> but its the only 2.7 measurement 2016-10-04T14:58:03 < dongs> connector itself is 4.3mm from edge 2016-10-04T14:58:08 < stvn> well just move it away 2016-10-04T14:58:09 < dongs> connector = just pad 2016-10-04T14:59:10 < karlp> what's that gnd_earth track even for? 2016-10-04T14:59:16 < dongs> no idea 2016-10-04T14:59:28 < stvn> is this a double insulated appliance? 2016-10-04T14:59:28 < karlp> in your words, 2016-10-04T14:59:29 < dongs> it goes around boasrd 2016-10-04T14:59:32 < karlp> "remove for great justice" 2016-10-04T14:59:45 < dongs> thats where the green 'earth' wire goes t o 2016-10-04T14:59:51 < stvn> great 2016-10-04T14:59:52 < dongs> looks like its connected to every mnounting hole 2016-10-04T14:59:59 < stvn> so it's a class 1 appliance 2016-10-04T15:00:27 < stvn> i'd just keep earth out of the way lol 2016-10-04T15:00:38 < stvn> i use 4mm as a rule of thumb 2016-10-04T15:01:12 -!- embeer [4f01dd43@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.1.221.67] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T15:01:17 < dongs> rule of waving dong 2016-10-04T15:01:24 < stvn> exactly 2016-10-04T15:01:57 < stvn> just incase regulatory fuck wants something to cry about 2016-10-04T15:02:11 < dongs> i wonder if I should put a dickbutt stencil on there 2016-10-04T15:02:17 < dongs> when im adding the earth connector symbol 2016-10-04T15:02:18 < stvn> i think so 2016-10-04T15:02:27 < embeer> Guys, do you know any important embedded conference in the EU that is worth going? 2016-10-04T15:02:40 < stvn> Steffan does 2016-10-04T15:02:52 < dongs> i thought EU was pretty unimportant overal 2016-10-04T15:02:54 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T15:03:07 < dongs> the only news you hear is another country got overrun by muslims 2016-10-04T15:03:12 < dongs> and/or someone blew shit up 2016-10-04T15:03:24 < embeer> dongs: yeah it is 2016-10-04T15:03:25 < stvn> 'moderating embedded systems IRC channels and dealing with trolls and anti-semitists' 2016-10-04T15:03:36 < stvn> :] 2016-10-04T15:03:41 < dongs> is that on your CV 2016-10-04T15:03:46 < stvn> naaaa 2016-10-04T15:04:06 < embeer> So i"m open to conference also in US 2016-10-04T15:04:25 < stvn> my claim to fame is 3/50 who passed C course at victoria university' 2016-10-04T15:04:55 < PaulFertser> embeer: ELCE? 2016-10-04T15:05:05 < dongs> embedded lunix ? 2016-10-04T15:05:17 < stvn> array[1] = 1 2016-10-04T15:05:17 < PaulFertser> dongs knows everything 2016-10-04T15:05:22 < stvn> array[2] = 2 2016-10-04T15:05:24 < stvn> etc 2016-10-04T15:05:29 < stvn> was epic 2016-10-04T15:05:43 < dongs> PaulFertser: he did say important 2016-10-04T15:05:53 < dongs> not sure one would consider embedded lunix "important" 2016-10-04T15:05:54 < dongs> :) 2016-10-04T15:05:54 < stvn> instead of a for loop 2016-10-04T15:06:02 < embeer> PaulFertser: is it worth going it? 2016-10-04T15:06:11 < embeer> dobson: yeah I mean important ones 2016-10-04T15:06:29 < embeer> *dongs 2016-10-04T15:06:32 < PaulFertser> dongs: look around you and count the amount of embedded devices that have more than 16M of RAM and do not run Linux, the kernel. 2016-10-04T15:06:36 < stvn> fucking hell brings me back, C i taught myself when i was 12 years old was better than any undergrad course 2016-10-04T15:06:51 -!- tecdroid_ [~icke@2a01:598:90a3:a43b:d27e:35ff:fe97:9f87] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T15:07:07 < PaulFertser> embeer: I've heard plenty of people involved in embedded Linux go there. 2016-10-04T15:07:07 < stvn> no wonder i drank so much and smoked so much dope 2016-10-04T15:07:45 < embeer> PaulFertser: thanks! 2016-10-04T15:07:50 < stvn> babby's guide to smashing the stack with recursions 2016-10-04T15:08:49 < PaulFertser> embeer: just check the list of talks from the previous year and search the internet for the names, that'll make it clear if you want to be there or not. 2016-10-04T15:10:04 < karlp> or ignore the names and just read the presentations themselves. 2016-10-04T15:15:39 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-121-71.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-04T15:16:53 < ReadErr> https://vid.me/wDwO 2016-10-04T15:16:55 < ReadErr> rewatching lul 2016-10-04T15:17:36 < dongs> thats probably crt 2016-10-04T15:18:03 < ReadErr> so crt = stvn = dave jones 2016-10-04T15:18:06 < ReadErr> confirmed 2016-10-04T15:18:19 < stvn> lul 2016-10-04T15:19:43 < ReadErr> waiting for assange to get droned 2016-10-04T15:20:23 < ReadErr> what a cocknugget that fucker is 2016-10-04T15:20:42 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-121-71.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T15:20:49 < stvn> lol 2016-10-04T15:21:33 < ReadErr> hes from ur country isnt he? 2016-10-04T15:21:59 < stvn> yup 2016-10-04T15:22:50 < ReadErr> you should be ashamed 2016-10-04T15:23:15 < stvn> lol 2016-10-04T15:23:24 < stvn> thats why my australian friend made that vid 2016-10-04T15:24:20 < ReadErr> a vid about assange? 2016-10-04T15:24:30 < stvn> nah eevblog 2016-10-04T15:24:44 < stvn> nobody cares about assange 2016-10-04T15:25:33 < stvn> he's a dick muncher right 2016-10-04T15:30:44 < embeer> r2 2016-10-04T15:30:48 < stvn> muh freedumz 2016-10-04T15:33:13 < stvn> r3 2016-10-04T15:34:59 < stvn> Laurenceb is taking over 2016-10-04T15:42:07 < stvn> yeah 2016-10-04T15:44:45 < stvn> for those playing along at home... this is the segment i like to call bullshit! 'cause we're in like flynn!!! 2016-10-04T15:53:15 < ReadErr> oh? i rtfm and it just said on/off 2016-10-04T15:53:27 < stvn> is RMS the devil> 2016-10-04T15:53:27 < stvn> be quiet 2016-10-04T15:53:27 < stvn> ok 2016-10-04T15:53:59 -!- tecdroid_ [~icke@2a01:598:90a3:a43b:d27e:35ff:fe97:9f87] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-04T15:54:14 < stvn> wel 2016-10-04T15:54:16 < stvn> l 2016-10-04T15:55:07 < ReadErr> englishman: meltingpoint tester 2016-10-04T15:57:18 < stvn> i'm fucked 2016-10-04T15:59:35 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~] 2016-10-04T16:00:17 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/aH2RSBBP/IMG_1576.JPG 2016-10-04T16:00:28 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/tdpKDmDv/IMG_1577.JPG 2016-10-04T16:01:46 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-04T16:01:56 < ReadErr> I see its easy to just make it go on/off manually but nothing else 2016-10-04T16:03:13 < ReadErr> i got 2 of this brand fml 2016-10-04T16:03:20 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-04T16:03:31 < ReadErr> altho on my RIMS i got another brand, might need to dig up its manual 2016-10-04T16:03:44 < ReadErr> ya what I got, one from auber 2016-10-04T16:05:32 < ReadErr> oh dope, they got a dual probe one 2016-10-04T16:05:41 < ReadErr> I was looking for that the other week 2016-10-04T16:08:11 < Laurenceb__> g 2016-10-04T16:08:33 < ReadErr> ahh so 'manual mode' is what i need to search for 2016-10-04T16:08:37 < ReadErr> just rtfm on it 2016-10-04T16:11:34 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Version-ELEGIANT-Temperature-Controller/dp/B0146L1NKE/ wtf 2016-10-04T16:11:46 < ReadErr> seems way too cheap 2016-10-04T16:14:08 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:cc53:a2d7:b85d:ab97] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-04T16:17:11 < ReadErr> englishman: also doing a small kiln 2016-10-04T16:17:18 < ReadErr> is the main thing 2016-10-04T16:18:18 -!- embeer [4f01dd43@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.1.221.67] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2016-10-04T16:20:32 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:cc53:a2d7:b85d:ab97] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T16:22:34 < ReadErr> sittin fat on some silver 2016-10-04T16:28:29 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-04T16:31:48 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-097-12.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T16:35:59 < Thorn> does anyone on aliexpress package their 2n7000 properly so that they are not going to be DOA because of static damage 2016-10-04T16:38:26 < celeron55> no? 2016-10-04T16:38:30 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-04T16:40:35 < dongs> are you buying a reel or 5 2016-10-04T16:41:33 < Thorn> 100 in a drug dealer style zip lock bag most likely 2016-10-04T16:43:27 < ReadErr> lol 2016-10-04T16:43:43 < ReadErr> prolly one of those super cheap ziplocks that rip apart when you try to open the zipper 2016-10-04T16:43:47 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T16:43:54 < ReadErr> how can one buy such shitty bags 2016-10-04T16:44:00 < ReadErr> like who even manufactures them 2016-10-04T16:44:19 < Thorn> China, who else 2016-10-04T16:44:37 < dongs> theer'sa pin on this board 2016-10-04T16:44:39 < dongs> PUMP_GATE 2016-10-04T17:14:29 -!- damme_ [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-04T17:15:04 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T17:17:02 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-097-12.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-04T17:40:59 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-04T17:45:00 -!- Laurenceb__ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-04T18:16:13 < Thorn> >These comparators also have a unique characteristic in that the input common-mode voltage range includes ground, even though they are operated from a single power supply voltage. 2016-10-04T18:16:29 < Thorn> does it mean that inputs can go below ground? 2016-10-04T18:19:34 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T18:19:50 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-04T18:19:50 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T18:25:12 < Thorn> why not say "input voltage range includes negative supply rail" 2016-10-04T18:25:25 < Thorn> or something like that 2016-10-04T18:29:30 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.37] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T18:29:39 < Thorn> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm2901-n.pdf 2016-10-04T18:30:43 < Thorn> negative rail as in pin 12 (called GND) 2016-10-04T18:30:50 < Thorn> is what I mean 2016-10-04T18:34:10 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T18:44:39 < aandrew> generally comparators are unipolar these days 2016-10-04T18:44:46 < aandrew> you can definitely get bipolar ones though 2016-10-04T18:44:56 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T18:46:54 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T18:50:50 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-04T18:51:26 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-04T18:54:27 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T18:57:50 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T19:04:42 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-04T19:11:35 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-04T19:24:05 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:cc53:a2d7:b85d:ab97] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-04T19:26:43 -!- Steffann [~quassel@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T19:27:21 -!- Steffanx [~quassel@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-04T19:34:43 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-04T19:36:17 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T19:42:33 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T20:02:23 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-04T20:03:19 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T20:05:02 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T20:07:27 < karlp> where do people get this shit from: http://www.4uconnector.com/online/SearchPro.asp?FormName=ProSearch&FormAction=search&s_GroupNo=&s_keyword=20329 2016-10-04T20:07:34 < karlp> its not on aliexpress 2016-10-04T20:07:36 < vampi-the-frog> hey man, I'm experiencing a problem where openocd only connects to the target if the reset button is held down 2016-10-04T20:07:39 < karlp> why the fuck is aidsfruit using it? 2016-10-04T20:13:34 < Steffann> language, karlp, language. 2016-10-04T20:15:31 < Steffann> People in #openocd are more useful most of the time vampi 2016-10-04T20:15:40 < Steffann> Sad but true 2016-10-04T20:17:33 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.101] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T20:22:51 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T20:32:06 < upgrdman> karlp, not sure, but it looks like that connector is "pin in hole" (not through hole) so you might have luck googling that 2016-10-04T20:33:03 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-19-73-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T20:33:56 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-04T20:34:12 < upgrdman> vampi-the-frog, if you need to hold down reset: you can connect under reset with oocd. also, if you didnt need to before, you might be reconfig'ing an SWD pin which would require connect-under-reset 2016-10-04T20:34:55 < upgrdman> iirc, my oocd script, before init, would call: reset_config srst_only srst_nogate connect_assert_srst 2016-10-04T20:35:35 < upgrdman> mm ya: https://github.com/farrellf/Balancing_Robot_Firmware/blob/master/config_openocd_stm32f0.cfg 2016-10-04T20:43:39 < vampi-the-frog> I've managed to get gdb to step 2016-10-04T20:43:44 < vampi-the-frog> up until one instruction 2016-10-04T20:44:03 < vampi-the-frog> __HAL_AFIO_REMAP_SWJ_DISABLE() 2016-10-04T20:44:32 < Steffann> Hah. 2016-10-04T20:44:49 < vampi-the-frog> #define __HAL_AFIO_REMAP_SWJ_DISABLE() MODIFY_REG(AFIO->MAPR, AFIO_MAPR_SWJ_CFG, AFIO_MAPR_SWJ_CFG_DISABLE) 2016-10-04T20:44:58 -!- elektrinis-hme [~circuit@78.60.169.125] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T20:45:18 < vampi-the-frog> to me it's all chinese, but it does seem like it's disabling something to do with swd? 2016-10-04T20:45:22 < vampi-the-frog> not sure what swj is 2016-10-04T20:45:23 -!- elektrinis-hme is now known as elektrinis 2016-10-04T20:45:23 -!- elektrinis [~circuit@78.60.169.125] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-04T20:45:23 -!- elektrinis [~circuit@unaffiliated/circuit] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T20:45:41 < vampi-the-frog> either way, I'll try stepping again with that instruction commented out 2016-10-04T20:47:05 < Steffann> it will probably disable swd and jtag. 2016-10-04T20:47:19 < Steffann> which explains why you cannot step after it ;) 2016-10-04T20:47:40 < Steffann> Better get into some basic first before copy-paste code. 2016-10-04T20:47:59 < vampi-the-frog> I find this a lot harder than arduino 2016-10-04T20:48:06 < vampi-the-frog> though, I've never debugged an arduino 2016-10-04T20:48:40 < Steffann> There are IDEs for stm32 too.. that help you a bit with the debugging/programming 2016-10-04T20:49:09 < vampi-the-frog> merely stepping stones along the rabbit hole 2016-10-04T21:03:00 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-04T21:03:18 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T21:05:03 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T21:05:15 < Rob235> whats up dudes 2016-10-04T21:12:46 < Steffann> sky. 2016-10-04T21:13:18 < Rob235> I gotta start asking different questions 2016-10-04T21:30:35 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-04T21:34:24 < jadew> http://188.25.249.79/stuff/megahertz.jpg 2016-10-04T21:34:34 < jadew> newbs... there no function on that button 2016-10-04T21:34:53 < Rob235> stupid little shit 2016-10-04T21:35:32 < jadew> I wouldn't go that far, he's my son 2016-10-04T21:36:00 < Rob235> oh sorry man, complete joke 2016-10-04T21:36:14 < aandrew> jadew: damn you're a lot younger than I thought 2016-10-04T21:36:26 < jadew> Rob235, np :P 2016-10-04T21:36:29 < jadew> aandrew, yeah :P 2016-10-04T21:37:53 < jadew> he loves playing with that thing and he keeps saying random numbers and "hertz" when playing with it 2016-10-04T21:38:35 < Rob235> thats cute 2016-10-04T21:38:43 < jadew> englishman, someone has to work around here 2016-10-04T21:38:55 < kakimir> fresh pumps on the channel? 2016-10-04T21:39:17 < vampi-the-frog> im romanian 2016-10-04T21:39:28 < Steffann> no, we already had one of those. 2016-10-04T21:39:33 < vampi-the-frog> we all talk like dracula here 2016-10-04T21:39:34 < kakimir> :D 2016-10-04T21:39:45 < kakimir> I think we had more than 1 2016-10-04T21:39:48 < vampi-the-frog> ze children of ze night 2016-10-04T21:40:33 < Steffann> nah the otherone disappeared kakimir. Some vamp at him i guess. 2016-10-04T21:40:56 < Steffann> *ate 2016-10-04T21:41:25 < vampi-the-frog> we totally do that 2016-10-04T21:41:31 -!- Steffann is now known as Steffanx 2016-10-04T21:41:34 < vampi-the-frog> it's normal and typical 2016-10-04T21:42:28 < Rob235> I'm american, so I'm fat, carry a gun and I'm racist? I dont really know what american stereotypes are 2016-10-04T21:42:35 < Steffanx> That. 2016-10-04T21:42:38 < Steffanx> Redneck. 2016-10-04T21:44:15 < jadew> my router needs a reboot 2016-10-04T21:44:25 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-04T21:44:31 < vampi-the-frog> are you throwing a router reboot party? 2016-10-04T21:44:33 < jadew> seems to stop forwarding from time to time 2016-10-04T21:49:06 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-04T21:49:44 < Rob235> I set my router to reboot like once or twice a week 2016-10-04T21:51:39 < Steffanx> kinda never here. 2016-10-04T21:51:59 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T21:52:27 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T21:52:39 < Steffanx> we missed you very much jpa- 2016-10-04T21:52:42 < Steffanx> jadew too 2016-10-04T21:52:50 < vampi-the-frog> alrigiht 2016-10-04T21:53:11 < vampi-the-frog> I managed to get it going, my problem was because when I generated code in CubeMX, I didn't set the SWD pins 2016-10-04T21:53:21 < vampi-the-frog> so I would only be able to program it with the reset button held down 2016-10-04T21:53:39 < vampi-the-frog> as an example, load up any board, and the SWD pins are selected 2016-10-04T21:53:46 < vampi-the-frog> so now it works normal 2016-10-04T21:53:47 < vampi-the-frog> glee ^^ 2016-10-04T21:54:27 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-04T21:54:27 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T21:54:37 < jadew> Steffanx, I missed you too 2016-10-04T21:58:08 < Steffanx> ;) 2016-10-04T21:59:59 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T22:07:14 -!- KreAture_Zzz [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T22:10:45 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, that was nice 2016-10-04T22:11:12 < Steffanx> what what LeelooMinai? 2016-10-04T22:11:16 < LeelooMinai> E, wrong window 2016-10-04T22:11:36 < Steffanx> but you are nice too. 2016-10-04T22:11:36 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: Megadeth video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ_-tUKT-nY 2016-10-04T22:11:50 -!- KreAture_Zzz [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-04T22:13:22 < LeelooMinai> Seems they are back with new album - surprising, but nice 2016-10-04T22:13:23 < PaulFertser> Better than nanowar I watched yesterday. 2016-10-04T22:14:43 < Tectu> Megadeath \m/ 2016-10-04T22:15:03 < Steffanx> Still boring :P 2016-10-04T22:15:17 < LeelooMinai> This video kind of rules imo:) 2016-10-04T22:15:32 < Steffanx> without sound :P 2016-10-04T22:16:20 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: So what are you listening to? I used to listen to Megadeth in the past, but not in recent years. Checked this out though and it's better than I thought. 2016-10-04T22:17:32 * LeelooMinai watches Steffanx hiding Justin beiber album in the drawer in panic 2016-10-04T22:18:48 < Steffanx> I like movie style music composers: Hans Zimmer, Ramin Djawidi, Two Steps From hell etc. 2016-10-04T22:19:29 < PaulFertser> Mark Knopfler wrote movie music too. 2016-10-04T22:20:48 < LeelooMinai> Had to check it out - it is like taken from some movie. 2016-10-04T22:23:54 < Steffanx> lol, not really a surprise uh? :P 2016-10-04T22:24:06 < Steffanx> Especially the first two are well known 2016-10-04T22:29:23 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-04T22:38:20 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-04T22:42:07 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T22:45:24 < Rob235> bippity boppity boo 2016-10-04T22:47:03 < Steffanx> immascaaatmaan Rob235? 2016-10-04T22:47:50 < Rob235> sure 2016-10-04T22:47:51 < Rob235> why not 2016-10-04T22:48:02 < Steffanx> idontknow. 2016-10-04T22:48:43 < vampi-the-frog> anyone familiar with lib rdimon? 2016-10-04T22:49:05 < vampi-the-frog> is there something special I need to do to just get some printf() output? 2016-10-04T22:49:29 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T22:52:01 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-04T22:52:03 < Steffanx> what you are doing is called semihosting and maybe this will help: http://www.openstm32.org/forumthread2949 2016-10-04T22:53:05 < vampi-the-frog> -lc? 2016-10-04T22:53:06 < vampi-the-frog> ok 2016-10-04T22:56:10 -!- KreAture [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T23:01:34 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2016-10-04T23:01:37 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-04T23:01:42 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-04T23:06:54 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T23:12:02 < KreAture> dongs ? 2016-10-04T23:12:26 < KreAture> dongs what the hell is up with stm32 unique identifier register? why all over the place 2016-10-04T23:12:27 < Steffanx> died. 2016-10-04T23:12:34 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T23:12:45 < Steffanx> All over the place?! 2016-10-04T23:13:06 < KreAture> based on chip type, and revision and class it can be at diff locations 2016-10-04T23:13:14 < KreAture> and then spread over multiple offsets 2016-10-04T23:13:17 < KreAture> I mean wtf! 2016-10-04T23:13:31 < Steffanx> oh, yes that. 2016-10-04T23:13:35 < KreAture> customer wanted me to write a function to retrieve it 2016-10-04T23:13:40 < KreAture> but for all devices 2016-10-04T23:13:48 < KreAture> I was like, well I expect there is that in the libs 2016-10-04T23:13:52 < KreAture> turns out, nope 2016-10-04T23:13:54 < KreAture> lol 2016-10-04T23:14:11 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-04T23:14:13 < KreAture> the 3 locations for the 3 different 32 bit chunks are not even defined in the includes 2016-10-04T23:14:21 < KreAture> sad day 2016-10-04T23:14:42 < Steffanx> ask karlp about his first experience with this fancy feature 2016-10-04T23:14:43 < LeelooMinai> Isn't there SWD command to get ID? 2016-10-04T23:14:58 < KreAture> LeelooMinai this stuff is direct addressable 2016-10-04T23:15:06 < Steffanx> runtime? 2016-10-04T23:15:12 < KreAture> but you have to know where to look and it seems to be random lol 2016-10-04T23:15:14 < KreAture> yes runtime 2016-10-04T23:15:33 < karlp> upgrdman: the 4uconn micro usb connector I linked is just like the channel recommende fci part, just different footprint. surface mount pads for the usb lines, and structural through hole to make it usefully solid. 2016-10-04T23:15:41 < KreAture> read 3 appnotes now on diff class chips and it keeps listing odd locations 2016-10-04T23:15:52 < LeelooMinai> I remember seeing SWD trace and there was some "get id" command that would retrieve it. Right, but from within the application that may not work:) 2016-10-04T23:16:01 < KreAture> It may be possible to write a function for all known chips as of today but not very futureproof 2016-10-04T23:16:31 < KreAture> it has to change it's lookup address and how it assembles the bits based on a lot of variables 2016-10-04T23:17:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-04T23:17:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T23:19:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-113-118-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-04T23:34:59 < Rob235> I missed you upgrdman 2016-10-04T23:35:19 < upgrdman> ok 2016-10-04T23:35:23 < Rob235> hah 2016-10-04T23:35:40 < Rob235> I wasn't sure what your response was going to be, honestly I'm kinda disappointed :) 2016-10-04T23:35:41 * Steffanx too 2016-10-04T23:36:01 < Steffanx> He's grumpy ;) 2016-10-04T23:36:59 < karlp> KreAture: don'ðt try and assemble the bits. the x/y wafer location and manufacturing date isn't stated for all parts and doesn't seem to be in practice. 2016-10-04T23:37:10 < karlp> all you can rely on is that, taken as a whole 96 bits, it's unique. 2016-10-04T23:37:26 < KreAture> karlp yeh 2016-10-04T23:37:43 < KreAture> karlp but I found for 3 examples where ppl did not find the location data it was at wrong address 2016-10-04T23:37:48 < KreAture> aka they were looking at wrong address 2016-10-04T23:37:49 < karlp> on l1 parts differnt densities even have it at the different locations :) 2016-10-04T23:37:49 < KreAture> hehe 2016-10-04T23:38:01 < KreAture> yup 2016-10-04T23:38:07 < KreAture> which is very annoying 2016-10-04T23:38:20 < KreAture> if they would just have a location that points to it that'd be fine but hell no 2016-10-04T23:38:26 < KreAture> not even the libs have a define for it 2016-10-04T23:38:31 < KreAture> why not!!! 2016-10-04T23:38:43 < KreAture> They say it is part of the crc engine and shit 2016-10-04T23:38:48 < KreAture> but it's not in the libs 2016-10-04T23:43:00 < Steffanx> They couldnt figure out how to add it 2016-10-04T23:53:48 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pjuxehjkoqclgsew] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T23:55:34 < KreAture> lol 2016-10-04T23:55:43 -!- fenugrec [~R@142-217-93-241.telebecinternet.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-04T23:56:36 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-04T23:59:15 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f7758c7.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] --- Day changed Wed Oct 05 2016 2016-10-05T00:34:15 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-05T00:39:56 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T00:41:08 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T00:50:01 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-05T00:52:09 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-121-71.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-05T00:53:03 < upgrdman> fuck. i might get shanghai'd in a few weeks 2016-10-05T00:54:45 < upgrdman> well esp when youre traveling to a 3rd world country 2016-10-05T00:54:59 < upgrdman> people are nice. that's the only nice thing i can think of 2016-10-05T00:55:02 < upgrdman> everything else sucks 2016-10-05T00:55:19 < upgrdman> weather, food, transit, lighting 2016-10-05T00:55:24 < upgrdman> internet esp 2016-10-05T00:55:45 < upgrdman> its for work 2016-10-05T00:55:54 < upgrdman> :) 2016-10-05T00:56:05 < upgrdman> R2COM, more like 2 - 4 weeks 2016-10-05T00:56:40 < upgrdman> better then before. 8 week enslavements 2016-10-05T00:56:46 < upgrdman> than* 2016-10-05T00:56:47 < BrainDamage> how much are you willing to pay for internet? 2016-10-05T00:56:59 < BrainDamage> because you could get a sat link 2016-10-05T00:57:04 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, employer pays for it, but the international links in cn are shit 2016-10-05T00:57:14 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, i looked into that kinda. iridium is slow as fuck 2016-10-05T00:57:22 < BrainDamage> iridium is 1kbit/s 2016-10-05T00:57:27 < upgrdman> ya 2016-10-05T00:57:30 < upgrdman> fucking DOS era 2016-10-05T00:57:57 < upgrdman> like no joke, sometimes CN cant even keep up with IRC 2016-10-05T00:58:04 < upgrdman> fucking irc. like <1KBps 2016-10-05T00:58:04 < BrainDamage> inmarsat might be tollerable 2016-10-05T00:58:12 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, how much for gig 2016-10-05T00:58:15 < upgrdman> per gig 2016-10-05T00:58:33 < upgrdman> china has basically has no internet 2016-10-05T00:58:38 < upgrdman> they have inTRAnet 2016-10-05T00:58:44 < upgrdman> and joke links to the internet 2016-10-05T00:58:52 < upgrdman> that are also artifically crippled 2016-10-05T00:59:03 < upgrdman> slow, >80% packet loss 2016-10-05T00:59:21 < upgrdman> seriosuly. like i sometimes cant even IRC. fucking IRC. cant fucking IRC 2016-10-05T00:59:50 < BrainDamage> https://satellitephonestore.com/inmarsat/service/bgan 2016-10-05T01:00:04 < upgrdman> cn likes to keep a tight grip on their population. limiting their access to unfiltered information (internet) hurts that 2016-10-05T01:00:45 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, lol. dont think i can expense that much :) 2016-10-05T01:00:56 < upgrdman> they NOT open 2016-10-05T01:01:06 < BrainDamage> that's why i asked how much you were willing to pay 2016-10-05T01:01:31 < BrainDamage> basically most things that interface wih foreigners in china run trought the government 2016-10-05T01:02:27 < BrainDamage> no, aliexpress itself would be 2016-10-05T01:02:37 < BrainDamage> and aliexpress does the checking 2016-10-05T01:03:10 < BrainDamage> it's only fair consideringthey do for everyone :p 2016-10-05T01:04:44 < LeelooMinai> Why not? Selling those to sex-crazed immoral westerners is good bussinness:) 2016-10-05T01:05:30 < vampi-the-frog> I managed to create templates for STM32VLDISCOVERY and Olimex STM32-H103 for CubeMX 2016-10-05T01:07:37 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-05T01:18:51 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-05T01:29:35 < aandrew> it sounds like you need mosh for satellite IRC 2016-10-05T01:31:24 < aandrew> R2COM: lol. RAWR! 2016-10-05T01:48:51 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2016-10-05T02:00:58 < kakimir> I wonder if dongs is already debugging his development dildo 2016-10-05T02:08:35 < LeelooMinai> Is this some kind of meme, or he really designs those?... 2016-10-05T02:10:18 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T02:11:52 < kakimir> it's last freelancer query he talked about before silently started working on something 2016-10-05T02:12:21 < kakimir> at least in my memory 2016-10-05T02:13:18 -!- Laurenceb__ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T02:18:56 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@unaffiliated/vampirefrog] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-05T02:21:36 < kakimir> nsfw: Laurenceb__ I need to check my terminology.. if on left half way to anorexia is called thigh gap then what is one on right? http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=238728&d=1376928404 2016-10-05T02:22:22 < kakimir> I bet it was called thigh gap before the new thing? 2016-10-05T02:23:53 < kakimir> nsfw: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/58/5b/50/585b50de70096ca473f8068f66081ae8.jpg on point 2016-10-05T02:24:15 < Rob235> anyone have FatFs functions for stm32? 2016-10-05T02:24:49 < LeelooMinai> I saw FatFS is available in the CubeMX 2016-10-05T02:24:58 < LeelooMinai> As a "MiddleWare" 2016-10-05T02:25:00 < Rob235> I'm using stdPeriph 2016-10-05T02:25:17 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-121-71.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T02:26:58 < Rob235> how hard would it be to figure out from the cube versions how to get it working with stdPeriph 2016-10-05T02:27:41 < dongs> lastlog -new dongs 2016-10-05T02:27:44 < dongs> busted 2016-10-05T02:28:17 < LeelooMinai> Never used it, but if I were you, I would just download CubeMX, check the checkbox for FatFS, genereate the stuff and have a look. 2016-10-05T02:30:01 -!- KreAture is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2016-10-05T02:31:21 < Rob235> PITA 2016-10-05T02:31:54 < LeelooMinai> Maybe it's worth switching to the new libs too? 2016-10-05T02:32:23 < Rob235> I've already been working on this project for 10 months, I dont know 2016-10-05T02:32:38 < Rob235> I'll figure it out 2016-10-05T02:32:53 < Rob235> I'll just complain about it a lot in the process 2016-10-05T02:33:25 < dongs> Rob235: just download fatfs from http://elm-chan.org/fsw/ff/00index_e.html and implement read block / write block 2016-10-05T02:33:29 < dongs> youre done. 2016-10-05T02:33:59 < Rob235> I know, but I don't know what to fill them in with 2016-10-05T02:34:04 < dongs> what the fuck do you mean? 2016-10-05T02:34:05 * LeelooMinai reads about bind:: in order to figure out how to call object methods as C callbacks 2016-10-05T02:34:09 < dongs> read block from SD card. 2016-10-05T02:34:12 < LeelooMinai> I hope it will work:/ 2016-10-05T02:34:14 < dongs> write block to SD card 2016-10-05T02:34:46 < dongs> STM32F4xx_DSP_StdPeriph_Lib_V1.6.0\Project\STM32F4xx_StdPeriph_Examples\SDIO\SDIO_uSDCard 2016-10-05T02:34:56 < Rob235> what about ioctl status initialize 2016-10-05T02:35:30 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoZrh_ckzaA musics? 2016-10-05T02:35:47 < Rob235> will it be easy enough to convert that from SDIO to SPI? 2016-10-05T02:36:15 < Rob235> or is there an spi version, let me look at it 2016-10-05T02:36:31 < zyp> IIRC command set is the same regardless of transport 2016-10-05T02:37:52 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Not to sound like some music elitist, but that's radio-music-mind-numbing scary to me:p 2016-10-05T02:39:43 < dongs> lol i google for the shit i used 2016-10-05T02:39:46 < dongs> and laurenceb's trash is on top 2016-10-05T02:39:48 < dongs> https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32-Logger/blob/master/Util/fat_fs/src/sd_spi_stm32.c 2016-10-05T02:40:48 < kakimir> me too LeelooMinai 2016-10-05T02:41:59 < kakimir> I glued some light in car so left lights on for night to it be cured by morning 2016-10-05T02:42:09 < kakimir> light creates heat 2016-10-05T02:42:22 < dongs> anyway, the only required ones are _read and _write. 2016-10-05T02:42:29 < dongs> _status can just return your SD driver being on or not. 2016-10-05T02:42:33 < dongs> _ioctl is optional. 2016-10-05T02:42:47 < dongs> there's tons of sample code how to read/write a block from sd card. 2016-10-05T02:42:59 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: I uses two-part epoxy for most gluing that requires strength - cures in less than half-any hour. 2016-10-05T02:43:16 < kakimir> epoxy sucks most of time 2016-10-05T02:43:23 < kakimir> it's for specific uses 2016-10-05T02:43:42 < Rob235> status sounds like something id like, I guess it was the ioctrl and was stupid and looking for a site that had everything one one page instead of just looking for reading or writing 2016-10-05T02:43:56 < kakimir> I had some "black shit" 2016-10-05T02:43:57 < Rob235> or i'll just use a card detect pin :) 2016-10-05T02:44:02 < Rob235> then I wont need it 2016-10-05T02:44:14 < dongs> just see what the fuck fatfs actually uses _status for . 2016-10-05T02:44:24 < dongs> thats why sores is open 2016-10-05T02:44:32 < kakimir> some one component bonding glue/sealer 2016-10-05T02:44:55 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Epoxy can glue almost anything - not sure why you think it sucks. 2016-10-05T02:45:35 < kakimir> slow ones turn hard and chip off and are too thick to bond perfectly 2016-10-05T02:45:48 < kakimir> fast ones are too fast 2016-10-05T02:45:53 < Rob235> oh yea, IOCTL is just sync, sector count, size, block size, and trim. defaults should be fine 2016-10-05T02:46:20 < kakimir> and leave tacky surface 2016-10-05T02:46:51 < kakimir> only some of them turn completelly hard in day or so 2016-10-05T02:48:13 < kakimir> but shortly 1) bad surface contact 2) too hard 2016-10-05T02:48:28 < kakimir> there is bonding epoxies too 2016-10-05T02:48:49 < kakimir> that have elastic properties and filling properties added to them 2016-10-05T02:51:22 < kakimir> I like slow epoxy because it has time to set smoothly and make surface contact, it turns hard all way and there isn't tacky surface 2016-10-05T02:51:45 < kakimir> and there is 15minutes or so time to play around with it 2016-10-05T02:52:00 < Laurenceb__> oh hai everyone 2016-10-05T02:52:05 < Laurenceb__> back for moar trollin 2016-10-05T02:52:08 < Laurenceb__> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2382009/ dat review 2016-10-05T02:52:56 < dongs> Laurenceb__: now that 4chan is out of money and will be shutdown or made a pay site, what will you do 2016-10-05T02:53:26 < Laurenceb__> maybe I'll buy it 2016-10-05T02:54:25 < Laurenceb__> or just head to 8chan like everyone else 2016-10-05T02:56:51 < Rob235> dongs: thanks for that link 2016-10-05T02:56:58 < dongs> laurenceb link? yeah 2016-10-05T02:57:15 < Rob235> the stdperiph example link heh 2016-10-05T02:57:33 < Rob235> I need to download these examples 2016-10-05T03:00:25 < Laurenceb__> holy shit this film is 4chan tier 2016-10-05T03:02:24 < Laurenceb__> englishman confirmed as sick fuck 2016-10-05T03:03:07 < Laurenceb__> like rule 34 of kill bill 2016-10-05T03:07:03 < Laurenceb__> A Serbian Film 2016-10-05T03:09:16 < Laurenceb__> lul http://moviepilot.com/p/i-watched-a-serbian-film-so-you-don-t-have-to/1212893 2016-10-05T03:11:34 < dongs> pink and with arduino headers 2016-10-05T03:11:35 < Laurenceb__> Then he stabs Rasa in the eye with his penis. IDK I can't even. 2016-10-05T03:11:38 < dongs> where do I sign up 2016-10-05T03:11:41 < Laurenceb__> top kek 2016-10-05T03:13:16 < dongs> yeah i was joking, too much faggotry in a single package for me to give a fuck 2016-10-05T03:16:42 < Laurenceb__> but we already knoew ohsix was a hipster 2016-10-05T03:17:56 < Laurenceb__> Syria simulator 2016-10-05T03:23:08 < LeelooMinai> I remember I made a joke on #fpga that one day they will use Python to program them and make some kind of FGPADuino - seems I was not that much off. 2016-10-05T03:24:35 < LeelooMinai> I think it's your imagination - I thought you are though:) 2016-10-05T03:26:54 -!- pmartnhoj [~john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 2016-10-05T03:34:44 < Rob235> ok so when setting spi baudrate prescaler the starting number is the rate of the ahb2 (SPI1 on F4) so thats 84 MHz? 2016-10-05T03:35:44 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T03:36:02 < dongs> 25MHz max 2016-10-05T03:36:51 < Rob235> not done but thats correct so far right? and then if I want around 400khz then I would use a prescaler of 256? 2016-10-05T03:37:36 < LeelooMinai> Rob235: Why don't you load your micro in CubeMX and do it inside the clock tree tab? It does all the checks. 2016-10-05T03:38:33 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/PiRQQHn.jpg 2016-10-05T03:40:09 < upgrdman> speaking of cameras, anything that'll do 4k60 with good picture wuality? 2016-10-05T03:40:23 < upgrdman> wtf cants canon make a dslr that'll do 4k60 to sd cards. 2016-10-05T03:40:35 < upgrdman> its not like you need >95MBps for 4k60 2016-10-05T03:40:42 < Rob235> well my options are from 2 to 256 in powers of 2 so I'm just kinda wondering if I'm thinking about it correctly, I dont just want the answer given to me 2016-10-05T03:41:37 < upgrdman> brb 2016-10-05T03:41:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-05T03:41:44 * LeelooMinai opens F4 clock tree 2016-10-05T03:41:54 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, this is much simpler than L4 one 2016-10-05T03:42:01 < zyp> Rob235, sounds reasonable, but I'm not going to double check that you're looking at the right ahb 2016-10-05T03:42:23 < Rob235> 99% sure 2016-10-05T03:43:10 < zyp> but yes, input to spi prescaler is the relevant bus clock 2016-10-05T03:43:19 < zyp> hmm, I hope you mean apb 2016-10-05T03:43:29 < zyp> because IIRC the ahbs run at full sysclk 2016-10-05T03:44:24 < LeelooMinai> From the tree it looks like AHB -> ... -> APB clocks 2016-10-05T03:45:02 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/UVpNIW4.png 2016-10-05T03:45:22 < LeelooMinai> And each APB has own prescaler too 2016-10-05T03:45:24 < zyp> exactly 2016-10-05T03:45:25 < Rob235> yea, apb1 should be 84 and apb2 48 2016-10-05T03:45:29 < dongs> the fuck is VCONN in usbc 2016-10-05T03:45:34 < Rob235> and spi1 which im using is apb1 2016-10-05T03:45:42 < zyp> dongs, power to cable circuitry 2016-10-05T03:46:08 < dongs> i dont need to carea bout it if i am just a device? 2016-10-05T03:46:23 < zyp> correct 2016-10-05T03:46:29 < dongs> also fuck bensonleung 2016-10-05T03:46:35 < dongs> his trash is on google results for almost anything usb-c related 2016-10-05T03:46:39 < dongs> like hes some kinda faggot expert 2016-10-05T03:46:59 < dongs> all he did was write some sensational blogpost about how cheap china cables break phones 2016-10-05T03:47:06 < dongs> *shocking news* cheap shit is SHIT 2016-10-05T03:47:26 < zyp> that's the google guy? 2016-10-05T03:47:29 < dongs> i think so 2016-10-05T03:48:24 < dongs> https://store.google.com/product/usb_type_c_18w_power_adapter neat 2016-10-05T03:48:53 < zyp> IIRC the spec violations seems pretty harmless except for the one cable with the polarity wired the wrong way around 2016-10-05T03:50:00 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-05T03:51:06 < zyp> I mean, you get devices drawing 3A from a host that can't supply that, but since overcurrent protection is mandated, that shouldn't harm anything 2016-10-05T03:51:31 < dongs> hmm, usb cable only has one CC line, and thats how orientation is detected? 2016-10-05T03:51:35 < dongs> us-c 2016-10-05T03:51:37 < zyp> correct 2016-10-05T03:51:52 < Rob235> this whole spi baudrate prescaler thing is confusing, its seems so limiting? 2016-10-05T03:52:15 < dongs> rob, what teh fuck man. the only thing its limiting is your autism from spilling all over the channel 2016-10-05T03:52:21 < zyp> there's two CC pins but only one is carried through the cable, the other is terminated in the cable itself 2016-10-05T03:52:22 < dongs> why do you evne care what rate SPI is running at 2016-10-05T03:52:45 < LeelooMinai> Rob235: You can prescale each APB by 1, 2...16 2016-10-05T03:52:48 < dongs> zyp, interesting. i thought it was both and it just had to look at pboth pins to determine shit 2016-10-05T03:53:08 < zyp> the one that's carried through is used to negotiate host/device, the other one is used to figure out how each end is oriented 2016-10-05T03:53:17 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-05T03:53:28 < Rob235> forget it, maybe I'm just confused about something else then, I'll just read 2016-10-05T03:53:31 < dongs> i have a FUSB302 on this thing im gonna be using to try negotiate 12V/??A for PD 2016-10-05T03:54:51 < dongs> so il ljsut leave vconn stuff unconnected since it doenst matter. 2016-10-05T03:56:06 < zyp> hmm 2016-10-05T03:56:18 < zyp> at least I think it doesn't matter, but double check spec first 2016-10-05T03:57:12 < dongs> according to block diagram it looks like a switch just conects vconn to cc 2016-10-05T03:57:14 < dongs> so it should be ok 2016-10-05T03:57:22 -!- Laurenceb__ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-05T04:03:56 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T04:13:45 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-19-73-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-05T04:18:16 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/mDmAAKa 2016-10-05T04:22:26 < dongs> they already do 2016-10-05T04:22:30 < dongs> for several years. 2016-10-05T04:24:09 < upgrdman> dongs, srs? 2016-10-05T04:24:30 < dongs> upgrdman: which part? fpga on intel? i rememver reading some junk few years ago and looks like xeons from this april have altera shit in them 2016-10-05T04:24:36 < dongs> http://www.eweek.com/servers/intel-begins-shipping-xeon-chips-with-fpga-accelerators.html 2016-10-05T04:24:55 < upgrdman> neat 2016-10-05T04:26:32 < dongs> http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/184828-intel-unveils-new-xeon-chip-with-integrated-fpga-touts-20x-performance-boost 2016-10-05T04:26:35 < dongs> some shit from 2014 2016-10-05T04:29:42 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GJUM6pCpew 2016-10-05T04:48:25 < upgrdman> so nothing epic, but i found this kinda nice as a sort of chicken-soup-for-the-programmers-soul https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tg1ONG18H8 2016-10-05T04:50:24 < LeelooMinai> I imagine peasants had such hair in medieval times 2016-10-05T04:51:18 < upgrdman> lol 2016-10-05T04:51:47 < LeelooMinai> He is pretty good though at C++ 2016-10-05T04:52:03 < LeelooMinai> I watched some videos with him in the past. 2016-10-05T04:52:18 < LeelooMinai> One of those people that like templates though... 2016-10-05T05:04:53 < upgrdman> yes 2016-10-05T05:04:56 < upgrdman> lemme find link 2016-10-05T05:05:53 < LeelooMinai> http://www.nexusmodels.co.uk/0-7mm-nylon-covered-trace-wire-extra-flexible-50lb-22-6kg-strain-10m-length-stainless-steel-microcables-for-push-pull-rudder-systems-closed-loop-control-of-model-rc-planes.html 2016-10-05T05:05:56 < LeelooMinai> Like this? 2016-10-05T05:06:20 < upgrdman> https://www.sullivanproducts.com/GoldnRodContent.htm 2016-10-05T05:06:36 < upgrdman> ohsix, ^ 2016-10-05T05:07:37 < upgrdman> common on rc boats and some rc aircraft 2016-10-05T05:10:20 < upgrdman> ya 2016-10-05T05:10:29 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-193-27-124.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T05:11:49 < upgrdman> lol http://imgur.com/xxLPfRl 2016-10-05T05:12:48 < aandrew> upgrdman: important question: did he get the bolt off? 2016-10-05T05:13:10 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/EOhxqVJ 2016-10-05T05:13:48 < upgrdman> ohsix, mm ya dont use those with 9g servos. for those, use carbon or metal rods 2016-10-05T05:14:08 < upgrdman> the friction of cable-sliding-in-sleeve is too much 2016-10-05T05:14:40 < LeelooMinai> They do not teflon coat them? 2016-10-05T05:14:52 < upgrdman> aandrew, yes the bolt was removed: https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/55t7zy/tech_decided_to_heat_a_bolt_that_broke_off/ 2016-10-05T05:14:55 < dongs> holy fuck PADS layout is retarded 2016-10-05T05:15:03 < dongs> trying to show / hide a layer right 2016-10-05T05:15:09 < dongs> right click on layer name 2016-10-05T05:15:10 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, they do, but still 2016-10-05T05:15:13 < dongs> it has "hide" text 2016-10-05T05:15:16 < dongs> what do you think this will hide?! 2016-10-05T05:15:41 < dongs> it hides the ENTIRE FUCKING SIDEBAR WITH LAYERS 2016-10-05T05:16:42 < aandrew> you think PADS is bad? try Cadstar 2016-10-05T05:16:59 < dongs> i think i did once 2016-10-05T05:17:09 < dongs> now i cant evne figure out how to bring that panel back in 2016-10-05T05:17:58 < dongs> k its 'project explorer' 2016-10-05T05:18:03 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/4hzFvxn 2016-10-05T05:18:23 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-05T05:21:02 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T05:29:39 < jadew> upgrdman, that was a funny link "Delete this single item? No to delete All." 2016-10-05T05:29:49 < upgrdman> :) 2016-10-05T05:30:29 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-05T05:32:55 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T05:36:15 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, FreeRTOS software timers seem to be pretty low-res: from the header it looks that anything below 1ms is meaningless... 2016-10-05T05:37:14 < LeelooMinai> In Chibios this was done much nicer:/ 2016-10-05T05:38:24 < upgrdman> lol. supposedly a guy yelling at a tailgater https://gfycat.com/WhichDesertedKite 2016-10-05T05:38:43 < LeelooMinai> Damn... wth 2016-10-05T05:39:14 < LeelooMinai> There is a little bug walking under my st.com page... 2016-10-05T05:40:17 < LeelooMinai> Err 2016-10-05T05:41:17 < LeelooMinai> lol, I thought it's some troll script or something, but it seems there's a little bug walking under the actual screen inside my LCD... 2016-10-05T05:42:02 < jadew> inside? 2016-10-05T05:42:05 < jadew> how do you know? 2016-10-05T05:42:21 < LeelooMinai> Because I could not touch it... 2016-10-05T05:42:31 < LeelooMinai> I think it was under diffuser or something 2016-10-05T05:43:16 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/lCER1q72.html 2016-10-05T05:43:17 < dongs> hes back 2016-10-05T05:43:52 < LeelooMinai> lol, "I wish to apologize for my behavior in previous chats" and boom, same thing under 2016-10-05T05:47:05 < LeelooMinai> Well, he may have some mental condition... Like that templeOS guy - he has schisophrenia supposedly. 2016-10-05T05:47:16 < LeelooMinai> Schizo* 2016-10-05T05:49:04 < jadew> I always wondered if there are people with schizophfrenia that have helpful hallucinations 2016-10-05T05:49:19 < jadew> like.. they have this constant invisible friend that solves math problems for them 2016-10-05T05:49:41 < jadew> or picks up on interesting details 2016-10-05T05:49:46 < LeelooMinai> Probably 2016-10-05T05:49:54 < jadew> even better, if it's of the opposite sex and hot 2016-10-05T05:50:14 < jadew> you could have sex anywhere 2016-10-05T05:50:55 * LeelooMinai stares at jadew thinking "right, so anyways..." 2016-10-05T05:51:32 < jadew> I don't think anyone has that kind of schizophrenia tho 2016-10-05T05:51:43 < jadew> simply because I've only seen bad cases 2016-10-05T05:52:15 < jadew> their mental capacity decreases 2016-10-05T05:52:18 < LeelooMinai> So, the Chibios guy was using systick register to time the "virtual timers" as he was calling them. That made them pretty accurate. I wonder thy FreeRTOS could not do the same:/ 2016-10-05T05:53:24 < LeelooMinai> Sometimes I think that half the people on IRC have some mental problems... Well, more than half:) 2016-10-05T05:54:04 < jadew> you can bet on that 2016-10-05T05:55:47 < jadew> well, if it's a good, then it can't be bad 2016-10-05T05:56:00 < jadew> I meant hallucinations that improve your life 2016-10-05T05:56:37 < dongs> i thought it was $650 2016-10-05T05:56:59 < dongs> google phone is a non-starter 2016-10-05T05:57:03 < dongs> no physical buttons 2016-10-05T05:57:05 < jadew> looks like a samsung 2016-10-05T05:57:10 < jadew> no buttons? 2016-10-05T05:57:13 < jadew> that's stupid 2016-10-05T05:57:22 < upgrdman> lolwut, nasa is hosting some javadoc for an opengl lib 2016-10-05T05:57:24 < upgrdman> http://worldwind.arc.nasa.gov/java/jogl/docs/com/sun/opengl/util/j2d/TextRenderer.html 2016-10-05T05:57:41 < jadew> ohsix, because I like to feel what I'm about to touch 2016-10-05T05:57:56 < jadew> I've always resisted the change to fewer buttons, in everything 2016-10-05T05:57:58 < LeelooMinai> I thought phones have no buttons nowadays anyways... 2016-10-05T05:58:01 < jadew> phones and laptops 2016-10-05T05:58:08 < jadew> mine has one button 2016-10-05T05:58:23 < jadew> and two touch ones next to it 2016-10-05T05:58:40 < jadew> but at least I can guide my finger based on that one actual button 2016-10-05T05:59:50 < jadew> yeah, but one of the things I do most often is hit back 2016-10-05T05:59:55 < jadew> or home 2016-10-05T06:00:52 < jadew> in fact, I don't remember my last phone where I didn't use all the buttons it had 2016-10-05T06:00:53 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-193-27-124.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-05T06:01:03 < dongs> softbuttons are just a fucking waste of space 2016-10-05T06:01:29 < dongs> anyway the new google shit is trash 2016-10-05T06:01:33 < dongs> too heavy, too metal 2016-10-05T06:01:36 < dongs> and nothing useful in it 2016-10-05T06:01:40 < dongs> waiting for samsung S8 2016-10-05T06:02:12 < jadew> I have an S4 mini, I'll change it when it breaks 2016-10-05T06:02:56 < jadew> ohsix, those buttons on the screen won't change either 2016-10-05T06:02:59 < jadew> you always need home 2016-10-05T06:03:02 < jadew> and you always need back 2016-10-05T06:03:32 < jadew> I'd like to be abel to feel it rather than not 2016-10-05T06:04:26 < jadew> on the other hand, I'm not big on "slick" looks, so that kind of puts me at a disadvantage 2016-10-05T06:04:35 < jadew> I care more about functionality 2016-10-05T06:05:03 < jadew> doesn't matter, I need it 2016-10-05T06:05:32 < jadew> in most cases it does 2016-10-05T06:05:59 < jadew> what could a back button possibly do wrong? 2016-10-05T06:07:22 < jadew> the back button normally returns you to the previous activity 2016-10-05T06:07:29 < dongs> bring back autism 2016-10-05T06:07:35 < jadew> most applications are written with that in mind 2016-10-05T06:07:44 < jadew> some simply exit 2016-10-05T06:07:54 < jadew> I really can't imagine a way in which it can fail you 2016-10-05T06:08:04 < dongs> prime example of why softbuttons are shit 2016-10-05T06:08:12 < dongs> some dumb app runs fullscreen and freezes. 2016-10-05T06:08:15 < dongs> you're basically fukt 2016-10-05T06:08:27 < dongs> if you had a hard button for tasklist/back/home you could go back and kill it. 2016-10-05T06:09:10 < jadew> I love my task button 2016-10-05T06:09:28 < upgrdman> ohsix, i actually like the android back functionality 2016-10-05T06:09:30 < jadew> and I use that one too, all the time 2016-10-05T06:09:52 < upgrdman> and i can just finger bang the back button to get as far back as i need 2016-10-05T06:10:10 < jadew> ohsix, do you have an example of inconsistency? 2016-10-05T06:10:31 < dongs> long press on samsung task button and you can run 2 apps at once 2016-10-05T06:10:40 < dongs> so while im driving I can run ingress and chat 2016-10-05T06:10:43 < dongs> pro 2016-10-05T06:14:11 -!- fenugrec [~R@142-217-93-241.telebecinternet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-05T06:14:58 < upgrdman> reminds me of the tripod/geocities/lycos era 2016-10-05T06:16:02 < upgrdman> msft does the fuck of that still 2016-10-05T06:16:14 < upgrdman> like why cant they make a gui toolkit and use it everywhere 2016-10-05T06:16:30 < dongs> who is they 2016-10-05T06:16:31 < upgrdman> calc app, music app and visual studio use 3 different GUIs 2016-10-05T06:16:33 < dongs> andwtf are you talking about 2016-10-05T06:17:04 < upgrdman> dongs, chatting with ohsix 2016-10-05T06:17:37 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T06:19:29 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-05T06:20:19 < dongs> cant you do that in /msg? 2016-10-05T06:21:10 < upgrdman> thats not as fun, and then jadew and others cant chime in 2016-10-05T06:24:04 < dongs> pretty sure there are other channels where he can freely sperg around 2016-10-05T06:29:07 < upgrdman> dongs, so in shanghai it seems like theres no where to sit down in public. like very few benches, public tables, etc. is japan like that too? 2016-10-05T06:29:35 < upgrdman> it feels like impossible to relax unless your in your home. maybe that's intentional, heh 2016-10-05T06:30:02 < dongs> hmm... i guess so, i guess the few times ive been in tokyo i dont remember seeing random benches anywhere 2016-10-05T06:30:19 < dongs> i mean there's gonna be a park here and there 2016-10-05T06:36:45 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-05T06:36:50 < upgrdman> ohsix, very dense, very dirty, NEVER smells good (but only sometimes smell bad) 2016-10-05T06:37:10 < upgrdman> ya 2016-10-05T06:37:13 < dongs> just bought MDR-1A beacuse I'm a complete fucking faggot 2016-10-05T06:37:14 < upgrdman> and some 4k video even 2016-10-05T06:37:17 < dongs> i hope these work good for hhc 2016-10-05T06:37:45 < upgrdman> ohsix, hmm. lemme find them 2016-10-05T06:38:48 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T06:41:59 < upgrdman> ohsix, uploading vid now 2016-10-05T06:42:51 < LeelooMinai> Yes, this is a great acronym for an os: http://i.imgur.com/tZEVA3D.png 2016-10-05T06:43:21 < dongs> nice sperging bro 2016-10-05T06:43:31 < dongs> why dont you just take a free TIMxx like TIM17 or some other shit you'll never use 2016-10-05T06:43:46 < dongs> and make a list of timers and just write ~50 lines of code to fire them when needed 2016-10-05T06:44:13 < dongs> look at TIM->CNT, calculate ticks until next event, fire it, clean the list. 2016-10-05T06:44:24 < dongs> like, you already spent more time sperging that it would take to just code it 2016-10-05T06:44:29 < dongs> been at this since since 9am this morning 2016-10-05T06:44:30 < dongs> if not earlier 2016-10-05T06:44:50 < LeelooMinai> lol, no, I am just shaving yaks 2016-10-05T06:44:52 < dongs> https://github.com/bn999/esc32/blob/master/onboard/timer.c example implementation 2016-10-05T06:45:38 < LeelooMinai> I know I can use hardware timers, but, as I wrote, it was so nicely done in Chibios, I got to reading a bit more trying to figure out why FreeRTOS did it their way. 2016-10-05T06:45:51 < dongs> actually that one is dumb, it uses individual cc channels, the one I was thinking about just uses a single tick and keeps a list of current/next event 2016-10-05T06:46:37 < dongs> doesnt sound like you acutally want to get anything DONE 2016-10-05T06:47:11 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Don't worry about me:) As they say - it's the journey, not the destination that matters:p 2016-10-05T06:47:38 < dongs> maybe you can join o6 on the journey 2016-10-05T06:48:30 < LeelooMinai> Well, not sure what would be worse - joining him or you and your wireless-dildo-related journey 2016-10-05T06:49:03 < dongs> wireless dildo is already done and in production 2016-10-05T06:49:07 < dongs> this was more than a year ago 2016-10-05T06:49:31 < LeelooMinai> Both Chibios and FreeRTOS have "tickless" mode - it's pretty neat, at least in Chibios - I had it working nicely + those virtual timers with 10s microseconds precision. 2016-10-05T06:49:47 < LeelooMinai> 10μs* 2016-10-05T06:50:23 < LeelooMinai> I kind of need it since I am decoding digital calipers protocol with IRQ on the clock signal 2016-10-05T06:51:01 < dongs> whats the context here 2016-10-05T06:51:03 < LeelooMinai> Right, sure, the timer is the fallback plan, but having accurate timers in general like Chibios had would be sweet. 2016-10-05T06:51:16 < dongs> englishman: eh, for bitshifts i just wrote my own thing 2016-10-05T06:51:35 < dongs> x? 2016-10-05T06:51:43 < dongs> yea, esc in text bar 2016-10-05T06:51:48 < dongs> i was too lazy to handle WM_CLOSE or whatever 2016-10-05T06:52:01 < upgrdman> fuck it takes so long to upload 2016-10-05T06:52:36 < dongs> dono man, i like keyboard better 2016-10-05T06:52:49 < dongs> wincalc solves 90% of my math shit and then i have wolframalpha for the rest 2016-10-05T06:52:52 < LeelooMinai> I bought myself nice calculator a year or so ago, but I found that since I sit by the computer all the time, it's more convenient to use SpeedCrounch. When using separate calculator one has focus the eyes to different distance, and it does not work for me that well any more:/ 2016-10-05T06:53:04 < LeelooMinai> SpeedCrunch* 2016-10-05T06:53:11 < dongs> yes, that is true 2016-10-05T06:53:24 < dongs> i'd never use to do shit like simple math 2016-10-05T06:53:54 < dongs> I'm with leelooautism on this one, i dont want a separate physical thing littering my desk 2016-10-05T06:54:01 < dongs> when i can run some app 2016-10-05T06:54:30 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Does it have mechanical keys like my keyboard? :p 2016-10-05T06:54:47 < LeelooMinai> lol - must be big then 2016-10-05T06:55:41 < LeelooMinai> "Cortana, what is 2 + 4?" 2016-10-05T06:57:00 < LeelooMinai> Nowadays it's a bit weird. One day I checked what are the prices for nice calculators, and some were more expensive than tablets - that's a bit "retarded":) 2016-10-05T06:58:17 < Rob235> bye 2016-10-05T07:00:59 < LeelooMinai> Mine is cheap too: https://www.amazon.com/Sharp-EL-W516XBSL-556-Scientific-Calculator/dp/B004J6GSXE 2016-10-05T07:01:30 < LeelooMinai> I am glad I did not go crazy and got some expensive one 2016-10-05T07:01:37 < LeelooMinai> WOuld not use it anyways much 2016-10-05T07:02:19 < LeelooMinai> All I need is $5 callculator when doing woodworking or cnc-related metalworking:) 2016-10-05T07:02:38 < upgrdman> ohsix, youtube is processing the vid. should be ready in a couple minutes 2016-10-05T07:03:16 < PeterM> amazing, my irc client remembered that autism6 is on the ignore list, but not the other people, well, atelast it rememebres the improtant ignores 2016-10-05T07:03:47 < LeelooMinai> I have an idea - lets all ignore each other and then talk. 2016-10-05T07:04:09 < PeterM> ok, i'll start 2016-10-05T07:04:19 < LeelooMinai> Cannot read that, already started 2016-10-05T07:04:21 < PeterM> [15:04] Ignoring "leeloominai" 2016-10-05T07:05:06 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T07:05:54 < LeelooMinai> The x-ray thing guy? 2016-10-05T07:06:35 < LeelooMinai> Well, I guess better than the photoinduction one - meeting with him could be dangerous:p 2016-10-05T07:08:39 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-05T07:08:43 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-05T07:10:14 < upgrdman> behold, a crappy video of upgrdman walking toward a mcdonalds in shanghai... in glorious 4K: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnY2v13-kfE 2016-10-05T07:10:17 < upgrdman> ohsix, ^ 2016-10-05T07:10:53 < LeelooMinai> Kick the foirst bike, so they all tople over! 2016-10-05T07:11:55 < LeelooMinai> You walk slaw... 2016-10-05T07:11:58 < LeelooMinai> slow* 2016-10-05T07:13:14 < upgrdman> trying to avoid the big puddles 2016-10-05T07:13:22 < upgrdman> and as you can see, its all on big puddle 2016-10-05T07:13:42 < LeelooMinai> I kind of imagined you walk like the Penguin guy from Batman. 2016-10-05T07:13:48 < upgrdman> also, i was trying (failing) to hold my phone still and get smooth motion 2016-10-05T07:13:54 < upgrdman> failed pretty bad at that 2016-10-05T07:14:01 < dongs> you need the new google diexl 2016-10-05T07:14:02 < dongs> dixel 2016-10-05T07:14:09 < dongs> with video stabilization 2016-10-05T07:14:20 < upgrdman> my phone has that, but not when recording at 4k 2016-10-05T07:14:28 < upgrdman> at 1080 is super smooth 2016-10-05T07:14:29 < dongs> you mean this isnt even NEW? 2016-10-05T07:14:39 < dongs> fucking google lied to me 2016-10-05T07:14:47 < upgrdman> ? 2016-10-05T07:14:48 < LeelooMinai> He needs gimbal attached to the head. 2016-10-05T07:14:56 < dongs> upgrdman: video stabilization 2016-10-05T07:15:03 < dongs> like they showed in the dixel preview 2016-10-05T07:15:08 < upgrdman> o 2016-10-05T07:15:26 < upgrdman> ya my note 5 duo has it. 2016-10-05T07:15:31 < upgrdman> *duos 2016-10-05T07:16:03 < PeterM> >upgrdman >mcdongles >china >why 2016-10-05T07:16:24 < upgrdman> i dont like chinese food 2016-10-05T07:16:28 < upgrdman> im a VERY picky eater 2016-10-05T07:17:01 < upgrdman> side note, the chicken in cn mcd's tastes much better than the chicken in usa mcd's 2016-10-05T07:17:14 < upgrdman> prolly less steroids or whatever 2016-10-05T07:17:18 < upgrdman> or different ones 2016-10-05T07:17:21 < LeelooMinai> Picky eater + McDonalds < - that's an oxymoron 2016-10-05T07:17:56 < PeterM> probs because chicken is .cn is super cheap and is actual chicken, rather than chicken in usa being like 50% gelatin and fat and beaks and feet 2016-10-05T07:18:21 < LeelooMinai> browser 2016-10-05T07:18:27 < LeelooMinai> New IE 2016-10-05T07:18:28 < upgrdman> ya when im in shanghai, i tend to do dinner at: mcdonalds / pizza hut / kfc / pasta mania / pizza express / carls jr .... except for the shit chinese cafeteria food im served for lunch. 2016-10-05T07:19:06 < PeterM> also, cantyou get like.. vegetables ffs 2016-10-05T07:19:07 < upgrdman> actually, pizza hut is good restaurant in cn 2016-10-05T07:19:13 < upgrdman> like the waiters even wear ties 2016-10-05T07:19:21 < upgrdman> they have steak, etc. 2016-10-05T07:19:45 < upgrdman> i know 2016-10-05T07:19:56 < upgrdman> outback stake house is in cn 2016-10-05T07:19:58 < LeelooMinai> Cow Hoof Steak 2016-10-05T07:20:15 < upgrdman> R2COM, i like it :) 2016-10-05T07:20:27 < LeelooMinai> They saw them into slices and then make them spongy with chemicals 2016-10-05T07:21:28 < upgrdman> R2COM, im a very picky eater 2016-10-05T07:21:40 < upgrdman> i have no problem trying different things 2016-10-05T07:21:40 < dongs> your list of "food places" is prety shit 2016-10-05T07:21:52 < upgrdman> but i rarely like different things 2016-10-05T07:22:09 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman was brainwashed by TV commercials 2016-10-05T07:22:10 < upgrdman> no its packed when dry 2016-10-05T07:22:58 < LeelooMinai> SOme gesture stuff? 2016-10-05T07:23:42 < LeelooMinai> Seems it's for annotating webpages 2016-10-05T07:23:59 < upgrdman> jesus fuck, i share a bit about me and everyone criticizes :) this must be how ohsix feels in here 2016-10-05T07:24:19 < upgrdman> im in cali right now 2016-10-05T07:24:31 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Well, what do you expect... fast food galore 2016-10-05T07:24:32 < upgrdman> but i just found out i may be shanghai'd in a month or so 2016-10-05T07:24:39 < dongs> nice 2016-10-05T07:24:45 < dongs> R2COM: no jsut tried but no idea 2016-10-05T07:24:51 < dongs> when I do win-r> edge it doens't work 2016-10-05T07:24:55 < dongs> so i dont think i can adjust 2016-10-05T07:25:02 < dongs> have to do wnkey+edge 2016-10-05T07:25:14 < LeelooMinai> run 2016-10-05T07:25:21 < dongs> but win-r chrome works 2016-10-05T07:25:22 < dongs> so no idea 2016-10-05T07:25:36 < PeterM> upgrdman, nah if you were autism6 youd be overjoyed, youd get off on autisming over this shit. 2016-10-05T07:25:36 < upgrdman> ya i've been to some real nice chinese restaurants 2016-10-05T07:25:59 < upgrdman> the company does monthly-ish dinners, at fucking 1%er restaurants. 2016-10-05T07:26:10 < upgrdman> very nice food... that i cant stant the taste of 2016-10-05T07:26:58 < upgrdman> well for one, cn seems to love pork. like i dont mind pork, but its like the only meat they eat 2016-10-05T07:27:07 < upgrdman> and the chinese brown spices get so fucking old 2016-10-05T07:27:36 < upgrdman> also, im alergic to some fish types, so that fucks me over a lot 2016-10-05T07:28:10 < upgrdman> yes, i discovered the alergic reaction when i was in shanghai :( 2016-10-05T07:28:19 < LeelooMinai> I am alergic to stonefish 2016-10-05T07:30:13 < LeelooMinai> It's not for sale as you can read 2016-10-05T07:30:36 < LeelooMinai> So, it's used:) 2016-10-05T07:31:15 -!- johntramp [~john@175.111.102.145] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T07:31:21 < upgrdman> ohsix, so you going to the HaD pasadena thing? 2016-10-05T07:36:12 < upgrdman> i wonder if i'll be shanghai'd then. if not, i might go 2016-10-05T07:36:19 < upgrdman> im not too far 2016-10-05T07:36:38 < upgrdman> yes 2016-10-05T07:36:50 < upgrdman> long beach ca (part of LA county) 2016-10-05T07:38:05 < upgrdman> lol ya 2016-10-05T07:38:14 < upgrdman> roughly where are you 2016-10-05T07:38:36 < upgrdman> k 2016-10-05T07:38:43 < upgrdman> o ya long drive then 2016-10-05T07:41:01 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, maybe I can do it in FreeRTOS after all - I think i need to increase tick frequency though to some ridiculously high value, but it may not matter as I will use tickless idle anyways. 2016-10-05T07:41:26 < LeelooMinai> That's how living on the edge ends 2016-10-05T07:46:01 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-05T07:46:37 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T07:52:12 < upgrdman> neat, thx 2016-10-05T07:55:33 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T08:06:17 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:813b:4c49:2515:7e0] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T08:06:47 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-05T08:07:22 < LeelooMinai> So much for getting FreeRTOS to do sub 1ms tick:/ "the max value is 1000, as higher values generate compilation errors (division by zero)" 2016-10-05T08:07:41 < LeelooMinai> Lame 2016-10-05T08:15:37 < jpa-> for some reason many rtos kernels are still either tick based or the tickless version is very lame 2016-10-05T08:16:19 < jpa-> it doesn't seem that difficult to do almost cycle accurate delays; when the kernel looks for next task, just see the sleep time and set a timer to trigger interrupt in exactly that many clock cycles 2016-10-05T08:16:33 < LeelooMinai> Chibios one was not-lame, but a decided to try FreeRTOS since it's supported by CubeMX and SYstemView 2016-10-05T08:17:25 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: That's what Chibios does. FreeRTOS has some weird demon for softweare timers and communicates with it with a queue. 2016-10-05T08:17:33 < jpa-> chibios one is lame in that it cannot use more than 16 bits systime if it uses 16 bit timer 2016-10-05T08:17:59 < LeelooMinai> Well, that's partially why I went with L4 - it has nice 32-bit systick register 2016-10-05T08:18:04 < jpa-> and stm32 has so few 32 bit timers, and really i usually prefer int64_t systime because no-one ever tests for correct handling of timer overflow 2016-10-05T08:18:50 < LeelooMinai> I think there's like one 32 bit timer usually 2016-10-05T08:18:59 < LeelooMinai> TIM2? 2016-10-05T08:19:17 < LeelooMinai> Not sure why... 2016-10-05T08:19:20 < jpa-> yeah, 1-2 on most parts 2016-10-05T08:19:46 < LeelooMinai> But 16 bit systick register is pretty lame 2016-10-05T08:19:48 < jpa-> but seems silly it won't just tick itself every time the timer overflows and increment a global int64_t counter 2016-10-05T08:20:01 < jpa-> that's what i do in one work project and it works great 2016-10-05T08:20:46 < jpa-> delays shorter than timer period directly set the timer interrupt, delays longer than that will be re-processed at next timer overflow 2016-10-05T08:20:54 < LeelooMinai> I guess I could try using Chibios without the HAL layer... I don't know:/ 2016-10-05T08:23:55 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, seems there's verion 9 already - maybe they changed something. 2016-10-05T08:24:18 < jpa-> i should try systemview sometime.. i wonder if it works with the free j-link firmware for st-links? 2016-10-05T08:24:54 < LeelooMinai> Meh, only some static allocation options 2016-10-05T08:25:07 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: It does 2016-10-05T08:25:50 < LeelooMinai> I don't think systemview like WFI/WFE instructions though:) 2016-10-05T08:26:19 < LeelooMinai> At least I have not found a way for it to communicate when micro stops like that. 2016-10-05T08:26:51 < jpa-> did you try setting the DBGMCU register? 2016-10-05T08:27:28 < LeelooMinai> I vaguely remember then there's some option for debugging in stop mode or something, but no, did not do anything with that register. 2016-10-05T08:27:39 < LeelooMinai> May try next time. 2016-10-05T08:27:57 < jpa-> yeah, just setting the bits in DBGMCU should be enough, it makes WFI/WFE sleep not really sleeping 2016-10-05T08:28:07 < LeelooMinai> I did not look more since the debugger itself seemed to work fine. 2016-10-05T08:28:47 < LeelooMinai> So my thought was that if it works, then the SystemView should to, but no... 2016-10-05T08:29:28 < LeelooMinai> It worked otherwise though, so still worth it. 2016-10-05T09:21:32 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T09:23:13 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T09:43:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T09:45:48 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-05T09:48:13 -!- dohzer [~dohzer@59-102-29-141.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T09:48:59 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T09:56:36 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-05T10:03:12 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-05T10:20:45 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T10:33:32 < upgrdman> do chibios/freertos do preemptive multitasking, or just coop? 2016-10-05T10:33:41 < LeelooMinai> Can do both 2016-10-05T10:34:45 < jpa-> mostly used for pre-emptive 2016-10-05T10:34:56 < jpa-> RTOS with coop only would be pretty strange 2016-10-05T10:35:44 < LeelooMinai> On small micro it could make more sense than pre-emptive. 2016-10-05T10:37:32 < jpa-> true, though at that point interrupt-only coding or just sequential main loop (arduino-style) makes sense also 2016-10-05T10:37:45 < jpa-> but yeah, there is a niche where you want RTOS but don't actually need pre-emption 2016-10-05T10:47:32 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-05T10:54:49 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:813b:4c49:2515:7e0] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-05T11:02:57 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-33-215.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T11:29:20 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.246] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T11:31:10 < upgrdman> lolwut title from stm email link "Show me Your Body Area Network and I Will Tell You What Kind of Sensor You Are" 2016-10-05T11:31:24 < upgrdman> http://blog.st.com/body-area-network-sensor/ 2016-10-05T11:33:10 < jpa-> that sounds like the stuff Steffanx is always so silent about 2016-10-05T11:33:36 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T11:50:30 < dongs> upgrdman: haha, idiot here bought that thing 2016-10-05T11:50:33 < dongs> WESU1 2016-10-05T11:50:40 < dongs> no idea wat the plan is 2016-10-05T11:51:01 < upgrdman> lol 2016-10-05T11:51:39 < dongs> I guess the plan is To Be Ready 2016-10-05T11:51:50 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T11:57:27 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-05T12:02:33 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T12:21:55 < PeterM> http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1475620482497.webm 2016-10-05T12:24:11 < dongs> haha 2016-10-05T12:24:58 < karlp> hehe 2016-10-05T12:25:52 < karlp> main loop has been around longer than arduino jpa, you're hating on people who _gave_ arduino a world 2016-10-05T12:27:02 < karlp> jpa-: systemview just being instrumented code and a memory buffer should work no matter what debug probe you're using. 2016-10-05T12:28:15 < dongs> systemview? 2016-10-05T12:28:17 < jpa-> karlp: i'm sorry if i was unclear, i did not want to imply any hate or that it is arduino-specific, just providing an example where that style is used 2016-10-05T12:28:40 < jpa-> karlp: hmm, but doesn't the systemview application need to support the debug probe? 2016-10-05T12:29:26 < karlp> I guess, I thought it was an addin for mdk though, so it used whatever debug you had 2016-10-05T12:29:33 < karlp> it's a separate application for viewing as well? 2016-10-05T12:29:43 < jpa-> https://www.segger.com/systemview.html 2016-10-05T12:29:51 < dongs> ah that 2016-10-05T12:29:54 < dongs> gave up on it quickly 2016-10-05T12:29:59 < dongs> didnt work out of teh box 2016-10-05T12:30:42 < jpa-> "Continuous recording requires the J-Link Real Time Transfer (RTT) technology to automatically read the data from the target. One-time recording can be done with any debug probe." 2016-10-05T12:30:44 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-05T12:30:57 < dongs> 'technology' 2016-10-05T12:30:59 < jpa-> i guess a better question would then be whether st-link j-link firmware has RTT support 2016-10-05T12:31:10 < dongs> aka "ringbuffer in ram that we're constantly reading" 2016-10-05T12:31:48 < jpa-> yep :) 2016-10-05T12:34:07 < jpa-> karlp: contrary to general opinion of ##stm32, i don't actually hate arduino :P 2016-10-05T12:35:02 < dongs> i love Serial.printf debugging 2016-10-05T12:35:19 < dongs> and 3 minute upload times 2016-10-05T12:35:51 < jpa-> part of the reason might of course be that i've never actually used arduino :) 2016-10-05T12:49:36 < dongs> the IDE is amazing 2016-10-05T12:49:52 < dongs> syntax highlighting, code complete, everything 2016-10-05T12:50:03 < dongs> auto-indent, 2016-10-05T13:08:20 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-05T13:08:58 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T13:15:17 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-05T13:23:54 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-05T13:24:02 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T13:24:37 < Lux> heh 2016-10-05T13:31:38 < dongs> what the fucking FUCK 2016-10-05T13:31:46 < dongs> received schematic from vendor 2016-10-05T13:31:50 < dongs> its made with gEDA 2016-10-05T13:32:03 < BrainDamage> damn, that's an unicorn 2016-10-05T13:34:44 < karlp> wanted to make sure you couldn't just import it into your pro tools, was to be only for reference. 2016-10-05T13:34:51 < karlp> heaven forbid you want to use their products ;) 2016-10-05T13:35:10 < dongs> yeah, well its a pdf but the aids looks just like this http://wiki.geda-project.org/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=geda:screenshot_gschem_osx.png 2016-10-05T13:50:34 < qyx> nah, segger ARM flasher \o/ 2016-10-05T13:51:35 < qyx> hopefully it will work as expected 2016-10-05T13:53:27 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.138.246] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T13:53:51 < dongs> watcha doing 2016-10-05T13:55:14 < qyx> some paywork 2016-10-05T13:55:16 < qyx> flashing station 2016-10-05T13:58:47 < dongs> oh 2016-10-05T13:58:52 < dongs> so its like dickit 2016-10-05T13:59:03 < dongs> load up firmware and one-touch to flash 2016-10-05T14:05:34 -!- Laurenceb__ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T14:06:36 -!- Laurenceb__ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-05T14:09:16 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T14:15:51 < qyx> yep 2016-10-05T14:26:55 < Steffanx> Jpa- dont talk about the stuff i dont talk about. 2016-10-05T14:55:18 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-05T14:57:37 -!- fenugrec [~R@142-217-93-241.telebecinternet.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T15:02:36 -!- stvn [d31e276a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.211.30.39.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T15:03:50 -!- Frans-Willem [~quassel@5355DBEE.cm-6-6d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2016-10-05T15:04:36 -!- MightyPork [~MightyPor@is.aww.moe] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-05T15:04:56 -!- Frans-Willem [~quassel@5355DBEE.cm-6-6d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T15:05:18 -!- fenugrec [~R@142-217-93-241.telebecinternet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-05T15:05:27 -!- MightyPork [MightyPork@is.aww.moe] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T15:05:50 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.138.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-05T15:45:48 -!- stvn [d31e276a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.211.30.39.106] has quit [Quit: the gas] 2016-10-05T15:50:36 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.138.246] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T15:53:38 -!- ReadError [readerror@ec2-50-19-189-163.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-05T15:55:01 -!- ReadError [readerror@ec2-50-19-189-163.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T16:01:42 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T16:23:13 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has quit [Quit: exit] 2016-10-05T16:23:51 < Rob235> hello boys ;) 2016-10-05T16:26:26 -!- dohzer [~dohzer@59-102-29-141.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-05T16:28:15 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/CUkZvmww/theyshootin.png 2016-10-05T16:36:52 -!- uiorty [4f01dd43@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.1.221.67] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T16:38:11 -!- msakod [4f01dd43@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.1.221.67] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T16:42:01 < uiorty> Hi guys, in my project I need to use the CCM memory (stm32f407). So I modified the linker script to move the heap and the stack to this memory. At the beginning of the main I can see the SP register pointing to the right address. But when the FreeRTOS is started I get the SP to the principal block of memory and not to the CCM. 2016-10-05T16:42:24 < uiorty> Does some of you have faced this problem? 2016-10-05T16:43:06 < uiorty> I'm using the StmCubeMX software and in the FreeRTOS settings doesn't seems to appear the stack settings 2016-10-05T16:45:20 < PaulFertser> uiorty: every thread in freertos is using its own stack and they're all allocated inside FreeRTOS's heap. 2016-10-05T16:47:10 < Thorn> uiorty: why do you want to move everything into the CCM? most of the time you'd only place some specific things there 2016-10-05T16:47:51 < uiorty> PaulFertser: ok, is there a way to control the addresses? 2016-10-05T16:48:11 < uiorty> Thorn: it's 64K and I'd like to use it.. 2016-10-05T16:48:46 < uiorty> The other 112K are allocated for application specific buffers 2016-10-05T16:54:00 < Thorn> uiorty: http://www.freertos.org/a00110.html#configAPPLICATION_ALLOCATED_HEAP 2016-10-05T16:56:53 < uiorty> Well, the real problem is that I just added the ARM semihosting feature (which is working) but the malloc is not working anymore. It's returning NULL. 2016-10-05T16:57:05 < uiorty> Thorn: tanks for the reference 2016-10-05T16:58:01 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T16:58:25 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T17:13:55 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-05T17:16:22 < PaulFertser> uiorty: ah, malloc not working sounds familiar 2016-10-05T17:16:47 < PaulFertser> uiorty: freertos does some checking regarding SP and sbrk and FreeRTOS breaks the assumption. 2016-10-05T17:17:10 < PaulFertser> uiorty: so I had to include an _sbrk() "syscall" implementation without that check. 2016-10-05T17:19:04 < uiorty> PaulFertser: the strange thing is that this happens only if I activate the semihosting.. 2016-10-05T17:19:22 < uiorty> How it is related? 2016-10-05T17:20:13 < PaulFertser> uiorty: probably sbrk implementation in rdimon differs from libnosys, not sure. 2016-10-05T17:23:12 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T17:23:12 < uiorty> PaulFertser: got you. So what do you advice to do? Reimplement the sbrk function? 2016-10-05T17:23:45 < uiorty> I just searched for it but I don't have the source. I guess it is in the library? 2016-10-05T17:24:12 < PaulFertser> uiorty: yes, it's in newlib sources, I've just added it to one of my source files and that was it. 2016-10-05T17:24:53 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-05T17:26:10 < PaulFertser> uiorty: if you're not sure, you can objdump disassemble your binary and check how _sbrk is implemented in both cases, should be pretty obvious even from assembly listing. 2016-10-05T17:27:38 < uiorty> PaulFertser: yeah, I could but not sure how can I change the implementation.. 2016-10-05T17:28:25 < PaulFertser> uiorty: just add another to any of your source files. 2016-10-05T17:28:54 < uiorty> oh it will be overridden? 2016-10-05T17:28:58 < PaulFertser> Yes 2016-10-05T17:29:13 -!- sterna1 is now known as sterna 2016-10-05T17:29:24 < uiorty> Ok do you have the right implementation? So I can check it 2016-10-05T17:29:40 < uiorty> Because I don't know what check I should remove 2016-10-05T17:31:12 < PaulFertser> uiorty: btw, it's the same deal with newlib-nano. 2016-10-05T17:31:41 < PaulFertser> uiorty: http://paste.debian.net/857571/ 2016-10-05T17:33:04 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T17:33:08 < uiorty> PaulFertser: Thanks! So this implementation should make my project with FreeRTOS working? 2016-10-05T17:33:54 < PaulFertser> I build with @$(CC) $(CFLAGS) $(OBJS) $(LIBS) $(LINKER_FLAGS) where LIBS = -lc -lnosys -lm and "--specs=nano.specs" in CFLAGS, "-nostartfiles" in LDFLAGS 2016-10-05T17:34:14 < PaulFertser> uiorty: works for me 2016-10-05T17:34:17 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-05T17:34:50 < uiorty> My linker flags: -specs=nosys.specs -specs=nano.specs --specs=rdimon.specs -lc -lrdimon 2016-10-05T17:36:25 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-05T17:37:26 < zyp> that sounds redundant 2016-10-05T17:38:51 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: scrts, MightyPork, sferrini, syke, johntramp 2016-10-05T17:39:02 -!- Netsplit over, joins: scrts 2016-10-05T17:39:06 < uiorty> zyp: sorry can you clarify? 2016-10-05T17:39:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: MightyPork 2016-10-05T17:39:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T17:39:41 -!- Netsplit over, joins: johntramp 2016-10-05T17:40:06 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-05T17:40:06 < karlp> shouldn't need -lrdimon and --specs=rdimon.specs at least. 2016-10-05T17:41:21 < PaulFertser> uiorty: you should omit everything "nosys" if you're using rdimon. 2016-10-05T17:42:04 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ptfmmdzrjchrkzts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T17:42:25 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T17:43:06 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-05T17:44:24 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T17:44:55 < Rob235> oh nice, I was gonna update kodi a couple days ago but it looks like they just released a new update 2016-10-05T17:46:49 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2016-10-05T17:48:30 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T17:50:37 < uiorty> PaulFertser: great! with the new _sbrk implementation is working properly! 2016-10-05T17:50:44 < PaulFertser> uiorty: :) 2016-10-05T17:50:44 < uiorty> Thanks a lot guys 2016-10-05T17:50:52 < PaulFertser> uiorty: welcome 2016-10-05T17:51:06 < PaulFertser> uiorty: can you please report the issue to FreeRTOS upstream? 2016-10-05T17:51:16 < uiorty> Sorry for the duplication in the linker flags 2016-10-05T17:54:30 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-05T17:55:56 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T17:57:11 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.138.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-05T18:15:08 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-05T18:15:22 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T18:18:01 < Laurenceb_> https://interviews.slashdot.org/story/16/10/04/1915209/interviews-ask-martin-shkreli-a-question 2016-10-05T18:30:34 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2016-10-05T18:32:04 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T18:33:16 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqUIX3Z4r3k 2016-10-05T18:40:21 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-05T18:43:01 -!- msakod [4f01dd43@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.1.221.67] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2016-10-05T18:47:08 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-05T18:48:14 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-05T18:54:01 -!- Chris_M|2 [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-13-124.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T18:56:22 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-33-215.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-05T18:58:50 -!- syke [syke@irc.syke.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T19:00:42 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-72-75-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T19:04:57 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-05T19:06:32 < Rob235> anyone see anything wrong here? http://pastebin.com/k3SaRnHU 2016-10-05T19:07:30 < karlp> RCC_AHB2PeriphClockCmd(RCC_APB2Periph_SPI1, ENABLE); 2016-10-05T19:07:38 < karlp> classic 2016-10-05T19:07:59 < karlp> shoulda used locm3, rcc_periph_clock_enable(RCC_SPI1) 2016-10-05T19:08:18 < zyp> shoulda used laks, RCC.enable(RCC.SPI1) 2016-10-05T19:08:28 < Rob235> why does it matter? 2016-10-05T19:08:36 < Rob235> isnt what I used part of stdPeriph? 2016-10-05T19:08:39 < zyp> AHB2 != APB2 2016-10-05T19:08:44 < zyp> that's the point 2016-10-05T19:09:05 < zyp> stdperiph doesn't prevent you from making stupid mistakes like that, locm3 and laks does 2016-10-05T19:09:05 < karlp> ora s upgrdman's c++ video linked, make the API easy to do the right thing, and hard to do the wrong thing. 2016-10-05T19:10:01 < zyp> yeah, that's just good api design 2016-10-05T19:10:01 < Rob235> oh shit how did I mess that up :P 2016-10-05T19:10:03 < PaulFertser> C++ still doesn't have strong typedefs. I think it's one of the really important things that could be marketed to C programmers working on serious projects. 2016-10-05T19:10:18 < zyp> PaulFertser, strong? 2016-10-05T19:10:35 < zyp> oh, like aliasing ints? 2016-10-05T19:10:47 < karlp> should just usa ada then. 2016-10-05T19:10:49 < PaulFertser> zyp: yes 2016-10-05T19:11:24 < PaulFertser> karlp: that's the point, Ada is kinda hard to use for embedded and not nearly as performant as C++ can be. But adding Ada-like facilities to C++ would be a strong selling point IMHO. 2016-10-05T19:11:31 < Rob235> thanks karlp / zyp 2016-10-05T19:11:45 < Rob235> everything else looks correct though? 2016-10-05T19:11:48 < zyp> PaulFertser, well, you could wrap it in a class 2016-10-05T19:12:04 < zyp> PaulFertser, and make a user defined literal to instance it 2016-10-05T19:12:51 < karlp> wrapping shit in endless classes is why people don't take up c++ 2016-10-05T19:13:02 < zyp> idk 2016-10-05T19:13:06 < BrainDamage> upgra 2016-10-05T19:13:15 < BrainDamage> bleh 2016-10-05T19:13:18 < BrainDamage> ctrl f fail 2016-10-05T19:14:31 < zyp> karlp, consider smart pointers 2016-10-05T19:14:44 < zyp> those are also fairly thin wrappers around a primitive 2016-10-05T19:14:54 < Thorn> why should ada be slow? no pointer aliasing, stricter type system = more info for the optimizer, etc. 2016-10-05T19:15:35 < karlp> doens't have 10000 developers submitting cases to gcc to make them better? 2016-10-05T19:16:59 < zyp> wouldn't most of the compiler middle- and backend be the same? 2016-10-05T19:17:57 < Thorn> free compilers use gcc / llvm backends iirc 2016-10-05T19:18:25 < zyp> exactly 2016-10-05T19:18:32 < Thorn> there is #ada here on freenode. was quite friendly when I was there a few years ago 2016-10-05T19:18:37 < karlp> having the gcc backend doesn't mean it gets all the goodies. 2016-10-05T19:18:42 < zyp> and as I understand it, most optimization passes are in the language-independent middle end 2016-10-05T19:18:53 < karlp> gcc targets shitty weird processors too, doens't mean it gets good optimization for them all 2016-10-05T19:19:11 < karlp> _if_ ada performs poorly (I have no idea) I would imagine it due to lack of resources 2016-10-05T19:19:29 < zyp> true 2016-10-05T19:28:18 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T19:28:21 < PaulFertser> zyp: yep, and Boost also has another implementation for strong typedef. But it's not in C++ core, so embedded people are unlikely to use it. 2016-10-05T19:29:44 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2016-10-05T19:30:17 < PaulFertser> Thorn: almost no meta-programming facilities so no clean efficient code for the tasks that would be handled compile-time in C++. 2016-10-05T19:30:51 < Thorn> well iirc modula 3 has some but it's even more dead :/ 2016-10-05T19:31:12 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T19:35:26 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T19:42:07 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-05T19:46:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T19:53:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-05T20:00:07 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T20:03:19 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.21] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T20:07:21 < Rob235> is CRC check a good idea for a spi sdcard periph? 2016-10-05T20:10:11 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.21] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-05T20:18:17 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f7758c7.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T20:19:40 -!- uiorty [4f01dd43@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.1.221.67] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2016-10-05T20:20:23 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBTHGY27HLg 2016-10-05T20:33:57 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T20:35:26 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2603:3023:50a:4600:819:60a9:5210:e471] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T20:43:14 < Rob235> https://github.com/lazka/stm32-hactar/blob/master/hactar/sdcard.c#L300 2016-10-05T20:43:16 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T20:43:24 < Rob235> why does it send 0xFF 10 times? 2016-10-05T20:44:11 < Steffanx> Read the comment ;) 2016-10-05T20:44:26 < Rob235> its all about delaying? 2016-10-05T20:44:33 < Rob235> why not just use a damn delay 2016-10-05T20:44:49 < Rob235> ohhh 2016-10-05T20:44:59 < Rob235> D0 2016-10-05T20:45:11 < Steffanx> It does clock the sd card. 2016-10-05T20:46:17 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-05T20:47:14 < Rob235> so D0 is slave MISO 2016-10-05T20:47:17 < Rob235> ? 2016-10-05T20:48:03 < Rob235> I need to start taking short breaks when I'm researching. I feel like my mind starts to go fuzzy and nothing makes sense anymore heh 2016-10-05T20:49:01 < Rob235> i see i see 2016-10-05T20:49:02 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T20:49:06 < Rob235> my brain has returned 2016-10-05T20:52:03 < Rob235> and where does this 74/80 clock come from? 2016-10-05T20:52:20 < Rob235> the spi master? aka stm32f4? 2016-10-05T20:54:45 < Steffanx> Yes. 2016-10-05T20:56:50 < Steffanx> 13,37€ -_- 2016-10-05T20:58:14 < Thorn> 289 pуб. 2016-10-05T21:00:20 < Steffanx> i guess 13,37 pуб would too less. 2016-10-05T21:04:01 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-05T21:04:22 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T21:06:50 < Steffanx> *would be 2016-10-05T21:08:27 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-05T21:19:29 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-05T21:20:47 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2603:3023:50a:4600:819:60a9:5210:e471] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-05T21:32:20 -!- Chris_M|2 [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-13-124.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.9.2 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 2016-10-05T21:39:39 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2603:3023:50a:4600:819:60a9:5210:e471] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T21:45:39 < ReadErr> lol tight ohsix 2016-10-05T21:46:10 < ReadErr> whats up with the whiteman drumming tho 2016-10-05T21:47:14 < ReadErr> ang guitar 2016-10-05T21:47:46 < PaulFertser> If you like weird musical videos, you'll like "OK GO" too. 2016-10-05T21:47:51 < ReadErr> https://i.sli.mg/7fiGuj.png 2016-10-05T21:47:57 < ReadErr> kim k got her grill snatched 2016-10-05T21:47:59 < ReadErr> lul 2016-10-05T21:48:13 < ReadErr> 10M in jewelry 2016-10-05T21:48:20 < ReadErr> thats a nice haul 2016-10-05T21:48:39 < ReadErr> she should have been robbed for buying a grill 2016-10-05T21:50:19 < Steffanx> Some people should be robbed from their giving a damn :P 2016-10-05T21:51:40 < ReadErr> I would totally drop some acid and goto a blueman group show 2016-10-05T21:52:22 < Steffanx> i wouldn't. Its nice for a while, but gets boring soon after that. 2016-10-05T21:53:28 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: you've missed the acid part ;) 2016-10-05T21:53:43 < LeelooMinai> That's what he meant... 2016-10-05T21:53:57 < Steffanx> oh lol, i missed that part of the sentece 2016-10-05T21:54:12 < Steffanx> *sentence 2016-10-05T21:55:04 < Steffanx> i guess my brain didnt understand that part and just skipped it. 2016-10-05T21:57:32 < Steffanx> ohsix stop Laurenceb mode -_- 2016-10-05T21:58:10 < Steffanx> semi-random crap links. 2016-10-05T21:59:05 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T22:01:13 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.164] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T22:06:05 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-05T22:14:26 < qyx> anyone seen a pcb board edge low profile terminal for ~20A? 2016-10-05T22:14:32 < qyx> thats about 2.5mm^2 2016-10-05T22:15:24 < qyx> or something like that https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HT1Srv1FUVbXXagOFbXS/201817653/HT1Srv1FUVbXXagOFbXS.jpg 2016-10-05T22:16:34 < qyx> this also looks promising, but too high http://img.directindustry.com/images_di/photo-g/4736-6864571.jpg 2016-10-05T22:16:40 < LeelooMinai> Wago clone:) 2016-10-05T22:22:33 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-05T22:25:16 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T22:33:25 -!- blight [~greg@212-186-28-41.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T22:33:25 -!- blight [~greg@212-186-28-41.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-05T22:33:25 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T22:42:24 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2016-10-05T23:00:03 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T23:04:59 < LeelooMinai> I just found that Segger/J-Link have some debugger plugins that make it aware of FreeRTOS. 2016-10-05T23:05:21 < LeelooMinai> So, I tried it, and ta da: http://i.imgur.com/PlUmGWW.png 2016-10-05T23:05:53 < LeelooMinai> This is pretty cool - suddenly the stack trace is thread-aware. 2016-10-05T23:06:22 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: OpenOCD does that with any debug adapter 2016-10-05T23:06:57 < LeelooMinai> Right, but OpenOCD is slow and does not have SystemView:/ 2016-10-05T23:07:20 < LeelooMinai> Well, scratch "slow", I was thinking st-link for some reason 2016-10-05T23:07:40 < PaulFertser> There's a plugin for peripherals view for Eclipse. 2016-10-05T23:07:56 < PaulFertser> And a standalone application too: https://github.com/apmorton/EmbSysRegViewSharp 2016-10-05T23:08:07 < LeelooMinai> Yes, that I have, but that's totally different functionality. 2016-10-05T23:08:35 < LeelooMinai> SystemView is a real-time graph/trace of system calls, task switches, etc. 2016-10-05T23:09:10 < LeelooMinai> PaulFertser: https://www.segger.com/systemview.html 2016-10-05T23:09:38 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Are you doing your vierd in-IRC bookmarks again? :p 2016-10-05T23:09:55 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: got it. That can be done with DWT config and SWO capture, right? 2016-10-05T23:10:39 < LeelooMinai> Segger does it in-memory. They have circular buffers for the trace in RAM and somehow get at this from the debugger I think. 2016-10-05T23:11:08 < Laurenceb_> https://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9734725&cid=53019453 2016-10-05T23:11:10 < LeelooMinai> Right, I looked at their tracing tools. Nice, but $1k, no thx:/ 2016-10-05T23:12:24 < LeelooMinai> SystemView is free at least. 2016-10-05T23:12:47 -!- fenugrec [~R@142-217-93-241.telebecinternet.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T23:13:32 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/nwAyxX.jpg 2016-10-05T23:14:38 < LeelooMinai> Well, I found I need it from start:) Had to check that all the interrupts, timings, etc. as I expected. 2016-10-05T23:15:03 < LeelooMinai> Otherwise you don't really see the full picture. 2016-10-05T23:16:01 < LeelooMinai> Quckly found many different traps - for example the PLL not being turned on after stop mode, etc. 2016-10-05T23:16:51 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: Nice car, but I don't know how you see anything while driving through that frond windshield... 2016-10-05T23:17:00 < LeelooMinai> front* 2016-10-05T23:17:32 < LeelooMinai> Or is it back one? :p 2016-10-05T23:21:56 < kakimir> hello Laurenceb_ 2016-10-05T23:26:18 < kakimir> I need beard tips.. some beard hairs are comming off 2016-10-05T23:26:23 < kakimir> is it okay? 2016-10-05T23:27:01 < LeelooMinai> Yes, if you have radiation poisoning. 2016-10-05T23:28:01 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2603:3023:50a:4600:819:60a9:5210:e471] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-05T23:28:30 < kakimir> I keep pulling them like running down the hair again and again 2016-10-05T23:28:56 < kakimir> that thing you do with beard 2016-10-05T23:29:06 < LeelooMinai> I would move out of the Chernobyl area:) 2016-10-05T23:29:13 < Thorn> is the skin peeling off yet 2016-10-05T23:29:40 < kakimir> I think I have beard cancer 2016-10-05T23:31:28 < LeelooMinai> Be glad you don't live in Saudi Arabia - they would behead you eventually. 2016-10-05T23:31:36 < Laurenceb_> saving for c&p folder 2016-10-05T23:32:12 < kakimir> combing the beard feels good 2016-10-05T23:34:42 < Laurenceb_> yet another euphemism 2016-10-05T23:35:05 < Thorn> btw are we talking facial beard or pubic beard 2016-10-05T23:35:58 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-05T23:38:04 < kakimir> I missed the last one 2016-10-05T23:38:33 < kakimir> fractal beard 2016-10-05T23:44:17 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-72-75-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-05T23:44:43 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-05T23:44:46 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@98.247.194.140] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T23:46:19 < LeelooMinai> lol... So, I saw that NXP has some sweet FreeRTOS view in their IDE and though that maybe I will try it with stmL4 and plain Eclipse. 2016-10-05T23:46:35 < LeelooMinai> And it works: http://i.imgur.com/xFG0dbc.png 2016-10-05T23:47:53 < LeelooMinai> O, and I can see heap usage too, sweet: http://i.imgur.com/8rYZdRi.png 2016-10-05T23:52:38 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2016-10-05T23:58:10 -!- fenug_ [~R@142-217-93-241.telebecinternet.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-05T23:58:51 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV6OqpOByvg intersting impendance stuff 2016-10-05T23:59:09 < Tectu> LeelooMinai, what is that? 2016-10-05T23:59:21 < Tectu> no matter what it is, I want it. 2016-10-05T23:59:22 < kakimir> if you want to have 1amp outbutt in 5ns 2016-10-05T23:59:22 < Tectu> give it to me. 2016-10-05T23:59:44 < kakimir> crazy stacking of opamps --- Day changed Thu Oct 06 2016 2016-10-06T00:00:00 < LeelooMinai> Tectu: Well, I wrote what it is - I took NXP FreeRTOS awareness plugin and used it for stm32l4 project. 2016-10-06T00:00:10 -!- fenugrec [~R@142-217-93-241.telebecinternet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-06T00:00:14 < LeelooMinai> With j-link as the probe. 2016-10-06T00:00:14 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-06T00:00:35 < Thorn> so only supports j-link? 2016-10-06T00:00:38 < Thorn> +it 2016-10-06T00:00:58 < LeelooMinai> The plugin - not sure, maybe it works with other things too. 2016-10-06T00:01:16 < karlp> task list works in openocd+gdb, just do "info threads" with "-rtos auto" on the command line 2016-10-06T00:01:23 < LeelooMinai> But the threads in the stack trace I got with another plugin that Segger provides. 2016-10-06T00:01:25 < karlp> havne'ðt needed to look at the rest of it. 2016-10-06T00:02:21 < LeelooMinai> I am almost happy with the setup, but still obsess about those lame software timers in FreeRTOS:/ 2016-10-06T00:05:33 < karlp> so use your own. 2016-10-06T00:05:43 < karlp> freertos isn't like it's taking over any of the hardware timers 2016-10-06T00:06:00 < LeelooMinai> Sure it is - it uses SystemTick 2016-10-06T00:06:15 < LeelooMinai> And it's 24bit per-clock timer. 2016-10-06T00:06:21 < LeelooMinai> At least on this L4 2016-10-06T00:07:50 < karlp> "per clock" timer? 2016-10-06T00:07:53 < karlp> what does that mean? 2016-10-06T00:08:01 < karlp> systick is always 24bit, it's a core periph 2016-10-06T00:08:14 < LeelooMinai> I mean it's usually set to increment at the main clock rate. 2016-10-06T00:08:26 < karlp> or not. 2016-10-06T00:08:26 < LeelooMinai> So it's not like there's no resolution available. 2016-10-06T00:08:29 < karlp> pretty commonly at /8, 2016-10-06T00:08:38 < karlp> and I'm saying you can use any of those other system timers if you want something different. 2016-10-06T00:08:42 < LeelooMinai> karlp: The RTOS can set it to whatever it likes... 2016-10-06T00:09:21 < LeelooMinai> karlp: But I don't want anything different. I want virtual timers that have high resolution, like Chibios has:) 2016-10-06T00:09:29 -!- fenug_ is now known as fenugrec 2016-10-06T00:09:35 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f7758c7.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-06T00:09:50 < LeelooMinai> I don't really like grabbing those hardware timer and dedicating it just to this task. 2016-10-06T00:10:13 < LeelooMinai> Also, would have to write the whole virtual timer system from scratch probably - so it would scale. 2016-10-06T00:10:26 < LeelooMinai> So, it's a bit of a pita. 2016-10-06T00:10:57 < karlp> still not sure why you need such high resolution _within_ a task. but you know, each to their own. 2016-10-06T00:11:48 < LeelooMinai> What do you mean "within" a task... Everything is a task, plus there are interrupts - there's nothing else. 2016-10-06T00:12:26 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f7758c7.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T00:14:45 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: If that project bombs, it will be because of the name - sounds like something arabic: Ahkab Ahbar! 2016-10-06T00:16:17 < Thorn> Error: Error allocating memory for 1699741703 threads 2016-10-06T00:16:26 < Thorn> lolz 2016-10-06T00:16:39 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T00:17:56 < LeelooMinai> karlp: It's a great feature. http://www.chibios.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=chibios:articles:high_resolution 2016-10-06T00:21:02 < Thorn> I don't get it. a hardware timer is an obvious choice if you need a function run @ >1kHz 2016-10-06T00:21:31 < LeelooMinai> But SysTick is harware timer... 2016-10-06T00:22:13 < LeelooMinai> And you get this functionality seamlessly built in into the scheduler. 2016-10-06T00:23:41 < LeelooMinai> Non-SysTick timers are monsters - they have tons of other features that you may want to use - some are used for DAC, some can to PWM, and who knows what more - it's silly to canibalise those for generic feature like this that basically just needs interrupt on some value. 2016-10-06T00:24:30 -!- BrokenCog [~BrokenCog@pdpc/supporter/active/brokencog] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T00:24:55 < LeelooMinai> And if you want this functionality in many tasks, then what. You have to write something similar to those virtual timers, but it won't be as elegant as RTOS supported ones. 2016-10-06T00:25:24 < BrokenCog> hello. I'm trying to find a setup tut/guide for GCC ARM using macOS ... I found the obvious posts for Eclipse, which I'm not using. Any links? suggestions? 2016-10-06T00:25:37 < LeelooMinai> It has to play nice with tickless mode, etc. 2016-10-06T00:25:46 < Rickta59> grab openstm32.org version 2016-10-06T00:26:18 < Rickta59> @ BrokenCog 2016-10-06T00:26:37 < LeelooMinai> I use this one: https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded 2016-10-06T00:26:45 < LeelooMinai> + GNU ARM Plugins 2016-10-06T00:27:06 < LeelooMinai> Not on MacOS though 2016-10-06T00:27:10 * LeelooMinai shudders 2016-10-06T00:27:22 < Rickta59> that is good too .. the other one has everything already setup .. compiler/ openocd .. different HALs .. old new 2016-10-06T00:27:42 < Rickta59> i guess it depends on what HAL you want to use ... 2016-10-06T00:27:46 < Rickta59> or not 2016-10-06T00:28:03 < LeelooMinai> A, your thing is AC6 - I used that too. 2016-10-06T00:28:16 < BrokenCog> LeelooMinai: that's the toolchain, yes, Ihave that it's the makefile for the kernel which isn't finding gcc/ld. I tried make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE 2016-10-06T00:28:27 < BrokenCog> COMPILE=arm-none-eabi- ... 2016-10-06T00:28:28 < LeelooMinai> I think I am using it now. But it used the toolchain that I linked I think internaly anyways. 2016-10-06T00:28:34 < LeelooMinai> it uses* 2016-10-06T00:29:33 < LeelooMinai> Right, sorry, the only Mac-thing I have is old iPod that my mom found once - I use it as my day clock:p 2016-10-06T00:29:49 < Rickta59> did you follow the directions BrokenCog ? 2016-10-06T00:29:55 < Rickta59> http://gnuarmeclipse.github.io/toolchain/install/#macos 2016-10-06T00:30:47 < BrokenCog> Rickta59: that's what I was refering to when I mentioned I'm not using Eclipse ... yes, I did those steps thinking it would be relevant, and probably is, but something is missing. 2016-10-06T00:31:02 < Rickta59> ah .. misread thought i read using eclipse 2016-10-06T00:31:04 < BrokenCog> the makefile doesn't invoke the toolchain, rather the native clang/ld. 2016-10-06T00:31:13 < Rickta59> which makefile? 2016-10-06T00:31:17 < Rickta59> one you wrote? 2016-10-06T00:31:28 < BrokenCog> no, https://github.com/EmcraftSystems/linux-emcraft 2016-10-06T00:31:46 < BrokenCog> trying to build the kernel for a stm327f4 discovery. 2016-10-06T00:31:51 < Rickta59> can't say haven't ever looked at that 2016-10-06T00:33:10 < BrokenCog> registering for that opnestm site. 2016-10-06T00:33:19 < Rickta59> sorry that isn't going to do anything for you 2016-10-06T00:33:22 < Rickta59> don't bother 2016-10-06T00:33:52 < Rickta59> you need to figure out how to setup your environ for that thing you are trying to build 2016-10-06T00:34:12 < Rickta59> i half read what you wrote and thought you were having problems with eclipse 2016-10-06T00:34:31 < ds2> someone else looking at uCLinux? :D 2016-10-06T00:35:33 < BrokenCog> ds2, that's what emcraft uses by default I think. should gcc-arm be substitutable with it? 2016-10-06T00:35:39 < BrokenCog> or am I confused? 2016-10-06T00:37:42 < BrokenCog> the reason I'm trying to setup the build environment on the mac is because it seems mmap(invoked in mkimage) doesn't like accessing files through a VM shared directory to filesystem on the host. 2016-10-06T00:38:35 < ds2> BrokenCog: what are you trying to do? 2016-10-06T00:38:52 < ds2> I was surprise to see another person doing something w/uCLinux 2016-10-06T00:39:18 < BrokenCog> well, first I'd like to create a kernel from the linux-emcraft source tree. 2016-10-06T00:39:24 < BrokenCog> https://github.com/EmcraftSystems/linux-emcraft 2016-10-06T00:39:52 < ds2> IIRC - that should be fine for the kernel 2016-10-06T00:39:58 < ds2> it is userspace that needs the other options 2016-10-06T00:40:14 < ds2> I have only played with it on the F1 2016-10-06T00:40:43 < BrokenCog> go slower. what should be fine for the kernel? userspace needs what other options? 2016-10-06T00:45:13 < ds2> that tool chain you found 2016-10-06T00:46:44 < ds2> for user space, it needs to match your libraries...i.e. glibc vs uclibc vs other 2016-10-06T00:46:56 < ds2> for that, buildroot is probally the easiest option 2016-10-06T00:50:06 < BrokenCog> ds2, I kind of generally understand ... but not really. do you have a link with an overview/explanation?? 2016-10-06T00:50:19 < BrokenCog> I'm new enough to this that I'm not following what you wrote. 2016-10-06T00:58:21 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@98.247.194.140] has quit [Quit: Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.] 2016-10-06T00:59:53 < ReadErr> ohsix: ah ya seen that one 2016-10-06T01:03:02 < upgrdman> oh the joys of learning opengl. small glitches when using Intel Sphincter Pro Graphics, no glitches when using nVidia. 2016-10-06T01:03:49 -!- brianx [~brianx@unaffiliated/brianx] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T01:07:24 < Tectu> hah 2016-10-06T01:07:28 < Tectu> that rage... I can only imagine 2016-10-06T01:07:32 < Tectu> "blame the GPU" 2016-10-06T01:07:56 < upgrdman> luckily its minor, but im just past the HelloWorld stage so im preparing to rage so hard 2016-10-06T01:07:56 < zyp> maybe stop invoking undefined behavior? 2016-10-06T01:08:12 < upgrdman> i dont think i am zyp 2016-10-06T01:08:29 < upgrdman> problem is a momentary loss of vsync when moving mouse from one monitor to another. 2016-10-06T01:08:45 < upgrdman> guessing its some windows faggotry cause this 2016-10-06T01:08:47 < zyp> of course, if you thought you did, you wouldn't do it 2016-10-06T01:10:02 < Thorn> ##opengl 2016-10-06T01:10:21 < upgrdman> Thorn, already there :) 2016-10-06T01:10:33 < upgrdman> but dont care enough to try and fix it so never asked in there 2016-10-06T01:10:49 < upgrdman> "system requirements: exactly one monitor" ... done 2016-10-06T01:18:04 < Thorn> you obviously haven't tried your app on macos yet lol 2016-10-06T01:18:21 < Getty> wow atmel seems to spare money, in the big package avrisp mkii (which i buy for customer so he has a package) doesnt include the extra (unnecessary) cables anymore which i had in there when i ordered last time 2016-10-06T01:18:24 < Thorn> especially mac mini 2016-10-06T01:18:50 < zyp> Getty, what extra cables? 2016-10-06T01:19:25 < Getty> there was some alternative connector cable in there last time, no idea what it was for, and some other connector i cant remember exactly anymore, just a little plastic part 2016-10-06T01:19:45 < zyp> uh, can't remember getting anything extra with mine 2016-10-06T01:19:47 < Getty> but now the USB cable is for sure longer as it was before 2016-10-06T01:19:56 < Getty> you bought the packaged version? 2016-10-06T01:19:59 < zyp> but then again I bought it in 2008, so I can't remember much of it at all 2016-10-06T01:20:04 < Getty> i mean no one sane normally buys teh packaged version ;) 2016-10-06T01:20:16 < zyp> how do you distinguish? 2016-10-06T01:20:20 < Getty> cost like double the price and is the same as the unboxed 2016-10-06T01:20:22 < zyp> it came in a box 2016-10-06T01:20:55 < Getty> ok then it was the packaged, might be different variants i got (even tho ordered from the same dealer and he has always just one atmel programmer to go) 2016-10-06T01:21:24 < Thorn> xTaskCreate() in freertos calls the task function with a void* parameter. can I abuse that to call a c++ member function and give it the 'this' pointer? 2016-10-06T01:21:42 < zyp> I bought mine in a physical store in jp first time I were there 2016-10-06T01:21:52 < Getty> ha ;) 2016-10-06T01:21:55 < Thorn> the class instance is created beforehand of course 2016-10-06T01:23:11 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-06T01:23:11 < Thorn> class has no virtual methods and does not inherit from anyone 2016-10-06T01:23:46 < zyp> Thorn, yeah, I've done shit like that 2016-10-06T01:24:06 < zyp> but you might as well make a thin wrapper 2016-10-06T01:24:45 < Thorn> I'm in an antisocial mood tonight 2016-10-06T01:25:01 < Getty> best to use that for irc 2016-10-06T01:25:52 < zyp> Thorn, if you're doing C++11 I guess simplest solution is using a lambda function 2016-10-06T01:26:48 < Thorn> what's the minimum stack frame in this arch, 16 bytes? 2016-10-06T01:26:57 < Thorn> or 32 2016-10-06T01:27:05 < zyp> in what sense? 2016-10-06T01:27:23 < Thorn> how much stack is wasted per non-leaf function call 2016-10-06T01:27:49 < zyp> uh, there's no fixed minimum 2016-10-06T01:28:12 < zyp> optimized code could produce functions that doesn't use stack at all 2016-10-06T01:29:30 < zyp> and wrappers/thunks are especially cheap, since you don't even have to return through them 2016-10-06T01:31:30 < zyp> heh, I looked up xTaskCreate API documentation 2016-10-06T01:31:35 < zyp> it looks super dumbed down 2016-10-06T01:31:44 < zyp> is all freertos documentation like that? 2016-10-06T01:31:59 < zyp> pvTaskCode Pointer to the task entry function (just the name of the function that implements the task, see the example below). 2016-10-06T01:32:14 < zyp> «just the name of the function» what the fuck 2016-10-06T01:33:01 < Thorn> I guess Mr. Barry can't afford to provide a lot of support 2016-10-06T01:33:04 < zyp> why are freertos users not expected to know how fucking function pointers work? 2016-10-06T01:33:30 < Thorn> and many of his users are on this kind of level 2016-10-06T01:33:58 < zyp> anyway, in C++11 I think you could probably do something like this: 2016-10-06T01:34:14 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T01:34:18 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-06T01:35:32 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T01:35:44 < zyp> xTaskCreate([](void* x) { static_cast(x)->threadmain(); }, …, (void*)&instance_of_foo, …); 2016-10-06T01:36:05 < ds2> BrokenCog: sorry, no links 2016-10-06T01:36:23 < Thorn> hm, gcc might even do a tail call optimization 2016-10-06T01:37:16 < Thorn> okay thanks I'll try it instead of what I initially wanted 2016-10-06T01:37:38 < zyp> of course, that function should compile into a simple «b » 2016-10-06T01:37:46 < zyp> or something like that 2016-10-06T01:38:41 < zyp> you could otherwise mess around with a member function pointer, but gcc will hate you for that 2016-10-06T01:39:03 < zyp> last I messed around with it, I couldn't get rid of a warning about that without turning off the warning flag itself 2016-10-06T01:40:19 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/interrupt/interrupt.h#n131 <- this shit here 2016-10-06T01:41:17 < zyp> works but is messy as fuck 2016-10-06T01:41:57 < zyp> and I'm not really using that code anyway, so I'm throwing it out when I get around to cleaning up that stuff 2016-10-06T01:53:36 < upgrdman> Thorn, whats special about mac mini re: opengl? 2016-10-06T01:54:05 < upgrdman> also, wtf opengl. specifying color with ints isnt 0->255 like everyone does, its 0->INT32_MAX 2016-10-06T01:55:23 < LeelooMinai> I vaguely remember that OpenGL really liked low-precision floats for everything. 2016-10-06T01:57:06 < Thorn> iirc GL_RGB8UI or GL_RGBA8UI is what you want 2016-10-06T01:57:14 < LeelooMinai> Including colors, so I would not be surprised about any weirdness like that. 2016-10-06T01:57:26 < Thorn> if you want 0...255 2016-10-06T01:57:34 < upgrdman> oh ya glColor3ub() 2016-10-06T01:57:36 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T01:57:40 < LeelooMinai> A is probably transparency or something. 2016-10-06T01:57:52 < ds2> OpenGL is a cesspool of floats :( 2016-10-06T01:57:53 < upgrdman> at least with JOGL 2016-10-06T01:58:56 < LeelooMinai> But if 32 bit ints are used that's 4 bytes so RGBA - isn't it pretty normal? 2016-10-06T01:59:28 < Thorn> upgrdman: I vaguely remember discussions on sidefx.com (makers of Houdini). iirc the developers finally gave up trying to make their new opengl viewport work on macs mini 2016-10-06T01:59:50 < upgrdman> hmm 2016-10-06T02:00:35 < upgrdman> only mac faggotry i heard of is that for newer opengl version you dont have old gl compat mode or whatever its called 2016-10-06T02:00:51 < upgrdman> but i didnt look into it. 2016-10-06T02:01:01 < Thorn> I was getting an old opengl profile by default 2016-10-06T02:01:09 < upgrdman> profile, ya that 2016-10-06T02:01:12 < Thorn> when testing on osx on a mac mini with hd4000 2016-10-06T02:02:00 < Thorn> https://www.sidefx.com/forum/topic/38749/ 2016-10-06T02:02:11 < Thorn> ^^ must be fascinating reading lol 2016-10-06T02:03:52 < upgrdman> nice 2016-10-06T02:06:13 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2016-10-06T02:09:32 < upgrdman> hmm, porting my chart code from java to opengl is coming along surprisingly quickly 2016-10-06T02:09:55 < upgrdman> ya 2016-10-06T02:10:20 < upgrdman> i was just raging... like WHY would anyone use ints for color and use the max range of an int for it 2016-10-06T02:10:36 < upgrdman> i guess so you can have fuck tons of dynamic range or something 2016-10-06T02:10:40 < upgrdman> BURN ALL THE EYES 2016-10-06T02:10:59 < upgrdman> ohsix, sounds intriguing. clicking 2016-10-06T02:12:55 < upgrdman> ya 2016-10-06T02:13:07 < Thorn> is glColor* even available if you request a core context btw? 2016-10-06T02:13:14 < Thorn> I think not 2016-10-06T02:13:16 < upgrdman> im being a lazy fuck and starting with old gay ass immediate mode. will transition to shaders after i know my logic is right 2016-10-06T02:13:33 < upgrdman> gl2 FTW 2016-10-06T02:13:59 < upgrdman> already quite happy with performance 2016-10-06T02:16:46 < upgrdman> ohsix, nice video and channel. bookmarked. will watch after work 2016-10-06T02:19:53 -!- jadew [~rcc@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T02:20:06 < jadew> my SSD died 2016-10-06T02:20:13 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-06T02:20:34 < LeelooMinai> Lies! SSDs don't die! 2016-10-06T02:20:37 < upgrdman> sounds like a punishment. what did you do, jadew 2016-10-06T02:20:38 * LeelooMinai panics 2016-10-06T02:20:48 < jadew> LeelooMinai, that's what I thought too 2016-10-06T02:20:54 < jadew> upgrdman, don't know... 2016-10-06T02:21:01 < jadew> I was watching harry potter 2016-10-06T02:21:13 < jadew> probably that's why 2016-10-06T02:21:20 < upgrdman> punishment fits the crime 2016-10-06T02:21:31 < LeelooMinai> "And then I said ssssssssd patronus, and it died" 2016-10-06T02:21:47 < jadew> hah, that's the one I was at 2016-10-06T02:21:47 < aandrew> upgrdman: you mean that telemetry viewer? 2016-10-06T02:22:27 < jadew> I was able to recover some of the data, but most of it seem inaccessible 2016-10-06T02:22:44 < upgrdman> aandrew, ya. moving the chart rendering to opengl 2016-10-06T02:22:45 < LeelooMinai> Ok, what make is it? 2016-10-06T02:22:55 < LeelooMinai> So I can put it on a black list:) 2016-10-06T02:22:58 < jadew> LeelooMinai, Patriot Blast 2016-10-06T02:23:14 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, all of mine are Samsung 2016-10-06T02:23:16 < jadew> I checked the reviews and I'm not the only one with this issue 2016-10-06T02:23:21 < aandrew> upgrdman: nice. any chance you can port that shit to run in a browser? 2016-10-06T02:23:30 < aandrew> like open up a usb serial or someshit 2016-10-06T02:23:40 < upgrdman> seriously? 2016-10-06T02:23:46 < LeelooMinai> Patriot Blast sounds a bit suspicious:) 2016-10-06T02:23:56 < LeelooMinai> Maybe it just blasted itself 2016-10-06T02:24:13 < jadew> hehe 2016-10-06T02:24:17 < aandrew> it'd be awesome to be able to bring that up in anything that runs chrome (or whatever). not sure about serial, but usb access (including CDC) is easy in the web 2016-10-06T02:24:33 < upgrdman> aandrew, ok cool. guess i could look into it. but i gotta admit it would be a low priority. 2016-10-06T02:24:46 < aandrew> sure, and it's your code, you get to do whatever you want to it 2016-10-06T02:24:50 < aandrew> I'm just being lazy :-) 2016-10-06T02:24:55 < aandrew> I know nothing about UI programming 2016-10-06T02:25:00 < aandrew> so I'm piggybacking on your work 2016-10-06T02:25:23 < upgrdman> :) have you tried it yet? 2016-10-06T02:25:27 < aandrew> I mean you got webgl and you got whatever the hell that usb access is called in the browser 2016-10-06T02:25:31 < aandrew> upgrdman: no, it's on the list 2016-10-06T02:25:36 < aandrew> i'm absolutely swamped with work righ tnow 2016-10-06T02:25:37 < upgrdman> i found a big, fixed it, but have not push to repo yet 2016-10-06T02:26:05 < upgrdman> NPE if you make a chart before any data has been received. rookie mistake :) 2016-10-06T02:26:19 < aandrew> heh 2016-10-06T02:30:43 < upgrdman> whats ff scanlime 2016-10-06T02:31:04 < jadew> ohsix, the 1 Tb model 2016-10-06T02:32:09 < jadew> I don't think they'll survive long as a company 2016-10-06T02:33:07 < jadew> oh well, I won't buy from them ever again 2016-10-06T02:33:11 < jadew> wasted night... 2016-10-06T02:34:31 < jadew> it was only a couple of hundreds 2016-10-06T02:34:40 < jadew> like... 300 or so 2016-10-06T02:34:47 < jadew> maybe 4, I don't remember 2016-10-06T02:36:08 < jadew> only some tho 2016-10-06T02:36:16 < jadew> it fails on random files and then it goes away 2016-10-06T02:36:32 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-06T02:36:35 < LeelooMinai> So, I looked at my SSD - have it 1.5 years and written to it 5TB... that's not much. 2016-10-06T02:36:54 < LeelooMinai> I expected something much more scary for some reason. 2016-10-06T02:37:18 < jadew> ohsix, I am now, because the windows CD doesn't start up with this thing connected 2016-10-06T02:37:41 < LeelooMinai> Can you access SMART data on it? 2016-10-06T02:38:00 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, the bios always reported it as OK 2016-10-06T02:38:07 < jadew> didn't check it otherwise 2016-10-06T02:38:36 < LeelooMinai> There may be something in there - it checks many things. 2016-10-06T02:39:05 < LeelooMinai> Maybe they run the page from Patriot Blast 2016-10-06T02:39:16 < Thorn> error 503 servers overloaded 2016-10-06T02:39:40 < LeelooMinai> I guess they are not happy campers right now 2016-10-06T02:40:19 < aandrew> hm? what's this about patriot? 2016-10-06T02:41:21 < LeelooMinai> I can only see "We have recently discovered an issue with our Patriot Blast solid state drives having failures in the field. Our engineers have found the root cause of the issue to ..." ... suspense 2016-10-06T02:41:40 < LeelooMinai> Tried google cache, but nothing more 2016-10-06T02:41:45 < jadew> LeelooMinai, where's that from? 2016-10-06T02:41:56 < LeelooMinai> Just google search for patriot blast problem 2016-10-06T02:42:09 < aandrew> hm 2016-10-06T02:42:21 < aandrew> I have a biwin 512G SSD that didn't work super great in my macbook air 2016-10-06T02:42:32 < aandrew> a crucial 512G SSD is running in it right now and has been since February 2016-10-06T02:42:56 < aandrew> the biwin drive is perfectly functional, I guess just not quite on-spec with what apple's controller/drivers expect 2016-10-06T02:42:59 < jadew> We have recently discovered an issue with our Patriot Blast solid state drives having failures in the field. Our engineers have found the root cause of the issue to be the Trim Command of the drives firmware. This issue occurs only when a certain pattern is run during the trim command. 2016-10-06T02:43:00 < aandrew> I'll put it in a PC 2016-10-06T02:43:14 < LeelooMinai> I can only say that I have 2 Samsungs for few years now and nothing wrong with them. I would probably consider Samsung/Intel - they are known for being pretty bullet-proof. 2016-10-06T02:43:38 < aandrew> I only have two SSDs, the one in my laptop and one 60G one I bought 6y ago as a boot drive 2016-10-06T02:43:48 -!- BrokenCog [~BrokenCog@pdpc/supporter/active/brokencog] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-06T02:43:54 < aandrew> didn't really speed up shit, but that machine has 24G of RAM in it so I suspect everything is running out of cache 2016-10-06T02:44:46 < LeelooMinai> jadew: So maybe you can jsut uprate the firmware? 2016-10-06T02:45:11 < LeelooMinai> Not that it will you the data back probably, but the drive may be fine after that? 2016-10-06T02:46:17 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I might give it a try, but I have to get more info on the issue before I even try it 2016-10-06T02:46:24 < jadew> their site doesn't seem to work 2016-10-06T02:46:26 < LeelooMinai> Like the last guy here: http://forums.patriotmemory.com/archive/index.php/t-12179.html 2016-10-06T02:46:49 < jadew> I was reading the same page 2016-10-06T02:49:04 < jadew> their site isn't working... ffs 2016-10-06T02:49:21 < jadew> what a complete waste of time, I hate it when this happens 2016-10-06T02:49:49 < jadew> I had so much shit ready for tonight 2016-10-06T02:50:32 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-06T02:51:15 < jadew> there's not absolutely important there, it was the system OS, but if I can't fix it, it means I'll spend the next couple of days installing shit 2016-10-06T02:51:30 < jadew> *nothing 2016-10-06T02:53:51 < jadew> my tmp dir is full of goodies too 2016-10-06T02:55:20 < jadew> and this crap always happens at night 2016-10-06T02:55:27 < jadew> good thing it's not saturday night 2016-10-06T02:56:12 * LeelooMinai reads how to setup full system backup in win10 on top of FileHistory because paranoia 2016-10-06T02:57:33 < jadew> I have backups, but not for everything 2016-10-06T02:57:55 < LeelooMinai> Right, same here - I think I want whole partition backed up though now:) 2016-10-06T02:57:55 < jadew> I'd have to clean all my HDDs up in order to do that, cuz I think I have a lot of redundant data 2016-10-06T03:02:25 < LeelooMinai> I wonder if it makes any sense to look at those NAS boxes they have or just add more disks to my basement Linux box. 2016-10-06T03:02:40 < LeelooMinai> Not really sure if they have some advantage. 2016-10-06T03:02:44 < jadew> I have a NAS too 2016-10-06T03:02:57 < jadew> I use that for photos and personal stuff 2016-10-06T03:03:00 < jadew> raid 1 2016-10-06T03:03:00 < LeelooMinai> They seem to me like some headless os boxes, no? 2016-10-06T03:03:23 < jadew> yeah, you just get the disk over the network and a web interface 2016-10-06T03:03:39 < LeelooMinai> Hmm 2016-10-06T03:03:42 < jadew> I think it's worth it 2016-10-06T03:03:54 < jadew> I have one with 2 x 2 Tb drives in it and one died once 2016-10-06T03:04:35 < jadew> one of my work drives also died - I use 2 x 500 Gb in Raid 1 for my work stuff too 2016-10-06T03:05:13 < jadew> aditionally, I keep my versioning system on a separate in-house server 2016-10-06T03:05:24 < jadew> and what's there gets backed up daily on a remote server 2016-10-06T03:05:43 < LeelooMinai> Do those NAS boxes just present network drives to Windows? 2016-10-06T03:05:49 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-06T03:05:57 < jadew> and linux 2016-10-06T03:06:02 < jadew> if that's what you're asking 2016-10-06T03:06:12 < jadew> they're running samba 2016-10-06T03:06:31 < LeelooMinai> I see SNewegg has some Synology one for $130 CAD - that's not much I guess. 2016-10-06T03:06:36 < LeelooMinai> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7RD2YT1810 2016-10-06T03:06:48 < LeelooMinai> But 1 bay? 2016-10-06T03:07:34 < aandrew> I've got a cheap Seagate 2 bay NAS 2016-10-06T03:07:37 < aandrew> it works well enough 2016-10-06T03:08:08 < LeelooMinai> I think 1 bay is kind of silly 2016-10-06T03:08:22 < LeelooMinai> Cannot even raid it 2016-10-06T03:08:49 < jadew> yeah, don't get 1 bay ones 2016-10-06T03:08:55 < jadew> 2 or more 2016-10-06T03:10:00 < aandrew> heh 2016-10-06T03:10:14 < aandrew> I would have liked a 4 bay but DAMN they get expensive when you go above 2 bays 2016-10-06T03:11:09 < LeelooMinai> Seems I would need $200 for the NAS + x for 2 HDDs... :/ 2016-10-06T03:11:37 < LeelooMinai> Life is hard and full of traps 2016-10-06T03:12:26 * LeelooMinai does the Hitler sad face ending impression "Maybe I will not need backups" 2016-10-06T03:13:15 < aandrew> haha 2016-10-06T03:13:33 < aandrew> the ESPN8 (the ocho) announcer in dodgeball is Jason Bateman 2016-10-06T03:16:01 < LeelooMinai> Who's that, Stalin? 2016-10-06T03:16:21 < LeelooMinai> Seems like harmless happy uncle there 2016-10-06T03:16:39 < LeelooMinai> A bit mentally challenged maybe, but otherwise very friendly. 2016-10-06T03:19:15 < aandrew> onkel stsalin? 2016-10-06T03:19:18 < aandrew> er stalin? 2016-10-06T03:19:41 < aandrew> < ohsix> you can get decomissioned datacenter gear :> 2016-10-06T03:19:47 < aandrew> that's how I used to get *all* my equipment 2016-10-06T03:20:47 * LeelooMinai looks by the windows to see if there's a datacenter garbage dump close - nope 2016-10-06T03:22:54 < aandrew> actually my network gear is exactly that. 2x2970G and 1x3560 2016-10-06T03:23:08 < aandrew> ebay, my dear 2016-10-06T03:23:09 < aandrew> or kijiji 2016-10-06T03:23:24 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-06T03:23:56 < aandrew> paid US$230 for 48 gig-e ports and 48 100M PoE ports, all managed with 12 SFP ports between them 2016-10-06T03:25:02 < LeelooMinai> ebay is like buying things from Jita though 2016-10-06T03:25:47 < LeelooMinai> Kind of risky with used electronics. 2016-10-06T03:28:10 < aandrew> not really 2016-10-06T03:28:26 < aandrew> I was part of the original gateway/porchlight (dial up ISP in the area) crew 2016-10-06T03:28:42 < aandrew> we bought EVERY piece of telecom equipment we used from ebay 2016-10-06T03:28:51 < aandrew> our very first AS5248 (from Cisco direct) cost us $22k 2016-10-06T03:29:12 < aandrew> we never paid more than about $2500 for the others, and after our first year or two we were buying them for I think $500 each 2016-10-06T03:29:34 < aandrew> bought our M13 from ebay when we leased a DS3 2016-10-06T03:29:46 -!- jadew [~rcc@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-06T03:30:17 < aandrew> then it became much more economical to dump the AS5248s back on ebay and buy Lucent MaxTNTs which could terminate DS3s directly and in 1/4 rack instead of the half rack it took the AS5248s+M13 to do the same 2016-10-06T03:30:58 < aandrew> toward the end we had DS3s in 7 cities. all our switches were ebay'd as well (the name escapes me, I have a couple in the house yet, they're just 100meg but managed) 2016-10-06T03:31:27 < aandrew> the only things that weren't ebayed were the PCs; we used regualr ATX systems in 4U cases 2016-10-06T03:32:36 < aandrew> the entire call center was ebayed piece of shit computers with PXE-capable network cards and netbooted a simple Linux desktop 2016-10-06T03:33:01 < aandrew> not once did we ever get bad equipment from ebay 2016-10-06T03:33:56 < aandrew> I mean rack mount gear is pretty robust to start, and it's kind of hard to abuse them unless you don't ventilate them, but we did only buy ones that were known working and offered even a 30 day return, but nothing ever failed 2016-10-06T03:44:21 < aandrew> yep 2016-10-06T03:44:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T03:44:35 < aandrew> we had sayal here which had junk surplus stuff but they got out of that biz years ago 2016-10-06T03:46:38 -!- KreAture_Zzz [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-06T03:47:12 -!- KreAture_Zzz [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T03:52:34 -!- jadew [~rcc@2a02:2f0a:b050:1198:2cb4:42a3:2b49:c7ce] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T03:52:42 < jadew> I fixed it 2016-10-06T03:53:00 < jadew> just trolling 2016-10-06T03:53:33 < jadew> "just trolling" - I didn't fix it 2016-10-06T03:53:43 < jadew> and their site is still down 2016-10-06T03:54:13 < jadew> at least I managed to recover my todo list 2016-10-06T03:54:17 < jadew> *lists 2016-10-06T03:55:58 < jadew> fucking idiots, with their stupid site 2016-10-06T03:56:06 < jadew> what kind of company leaves their site like that for hours? 2016-10-06T03:56:21 < jadew> wtf stupid company is this 2016-10-06T03:58:43 < jadew> https://twitter.com/patriotmemory 2016-10-06T03:59:10 < jadew> I'm trying to find the link to their firmware update tool, but that piece of shit site is down 2016-10-06T04:02:36 < jadew> I'm tempted to update my linux OS, but I'm afraid that if I do that I'll be left with no working system for the night 2016-10-06T04:02:55 < jadew> for one, I did an update when I booted up here and my monitor setup got screwed up 2016-10-06T04:03:23 < jadew> well, it's not like it's working too well anyway 2016-10-06T04:05:09 < jadew> I should do a full upgrade of my PC, but I don't really feel like spending 1k right now 2016-10-06T04:07:15 < jadew> yeah, I want 32 Gb of ram at least and an i7 6700 2016-10-06T04:07:21 < jadew> that also means new mobo 2016-10-06T04:11:12 < jadew> now the question is: do I get another 1 Tb SSD or should I go for a 500 Gb one? 2016-10-06T04:11:50 < jadew> if I give this one back for warranty, they might give me another one back? 2016-10-06T04:12:07 < jadew> hmm, difficult 2016-10-06T04:12:31 < jadew> 500 Gb should be enough for the OS 2016-10-06T04:26:47 -!- jadew [~rcc@2a02:2f0a:b050:1198:2cb4:42a3:2b49:c7ce] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-06T04:36:59 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T04:45:37 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-06T04:47:34 < LeelooMinai> I see that CubeMX has "Timebase Source" under the SYS entry. From what I read it's used by HAL. Anyone knows what for? I see the interrupt being called there periodically. 2016-10-06T04:47:55 < LeelooMinai> I set it to TIM2 btw, since FreeRTOS uses SysTick 2016-10-06T04:48:33 < LeelooMinai> So I basically see TIM2 fiering periodically - no idea what for. 2016-10-06T04:51:26 -!- jadew [~rcc@2a02:2f0a:b050:1198:1c1a:e35:5830:8db5] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T04:52:01 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T04:52:57 < LeelooMinai> englishman: Well, they recommend changing it from SysTick to something else, if RTOS is used. 2016-10-06T04:53:44 < LeelooMinai> It may be possible to share SysTick, but there are some locking issues mentioned, so I better do not go there and say bye bye to TIM2 for now. 2016-10-06T04:54:48 < LeelooMinai> Ok, but I wonder if it's possible for someone to write a HAL for something as complex that everyone would be happy with... 2016-10-06T04:55:23 < stvn> englishman: http://i.imgur.com/r3NjP72.jpg 2016-10-06T04:55:23 < LeelooMinai> Somehow I doubt it... 2016-10-06T04:56:21 < LeelooMinai> There are too many issues to balance - ease of use vs access to every feature for example, ease of use vs performance, etc. 2016-10-06T04:57:34 < LeelooMinai> But if somone manages to make HAL that everyone likes, let me know:p 2016-10-06T05:00:56 < LeelooMinai> CMSIS has only general Cortex peripherals 2016-10-06T05:01:22 < LeelooMinai> Then the rest - each vendor has own. 2016-10-06T05:02:43 < LeelooMinai> Right, specification... I don't know if anyone even implements it. 2016-10-06T05:02:49 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-06T05:04:04 < LeelooMinai> Also, what about rest of the stuff... timers, and more exotic peripherals 2016-10-06T05:10:20 * LeelooMinai goes to watch the last episode of Narcos and expects Pablo Escobar dying a horrible death 2016-10-06T05:15:40 < stvn> welcome englishman 2016-10-06T05:16:20 < stvn> just get a mac 2016-10-06T05:16:24 < upgrdman> ohsix, that power anal video was great. thanks 2016-10-06T05:16:51 < stvn> englishman: just like this http://i.imgur.com/buJFP.jpg 2016-10-06T05:25:45 < upgrdman> ohsix, no joke tho, i wasnt sure if the person was a guy or girl until i saw the channel trailer 2016-10-06T05:28:32 < upgrdman> damn, it seems like the ad revenue on my videos is *inversely* proportional with how interesting i find the material. fucking arduino/pi shit is like 95% of my revenue 2016-10-06T05:28:44 < upgrdman> i need to find a way to wedge an arduino into every random video i do 2016-10-06T05:31:15 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-06T05:31:29 < upgrdman> hmmm. my ti calculator overclocking videos nets me a consistent $0.10 to $0.15 per month 2016-10-06T05:31:32 < stvn> englishman: https://vid.me/53cS 2016-10-06T05:31:58 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T05:35:10 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/l5MtzUE.gifv 2016-10-06T05:38:59 < aandrew> heh 2016-10-06T05:39:01 < aandrew> food to go 2016-10-06T05:40:58 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T05:43:39 < stvn> haha brutal 2016-10-06T05:44:38 < jadew> most animals start at the head 2016-10-06T05:45:34 < jadew> I guess the cat figured that he can't cause much trouble no matter where he starts 2016-10-06T05:46:45 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ptfmmdzrjchrkzts] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2016-10-06T05:56:12 < emeb_mac> someone better ask karlp if he buys into this: https://twitter.com/jrhennessy/status/783839017657786368 2016-10-06T06:07:46 < upgrdman> lol https://youtu.be/IcHrkhHXoHo?t=8 2016-10-06T06:08:57 < jadew> wow, so many idiots there 2016-10-06T06:09:10 < jadew> none of those people had common sense 2016-10-06T06:10:12 < LeelooMinai> Well, normal person seeing this rope or whatever it is connected to the car like that could probably imagine what will happen next, yes:) 2016-10-06T06:10:56 < upgrdman> lol http://imgur.com/gallery/EEM9e0w 2016-10-06T06:11:46 < aandrew> adult swim is so fucking retarded 2016-10-06T06:13:01 < aandrew> my god, my kingdom for some fucking image stabilization 2016-10-06T06:13:31 * LeelooMinai imagines aandrew with a camera in a pool full of naked people 2016-10-06T06:13:41 < aandrew> ... 2016-10-06T06:14:09 < LeelooMinai> Somehow that was the only explanation I could find for what you wrote:) 2016-10-06T06:14:39 < aandrew> that jeep video loooks like it was shot by someone having a seizure 2016-10-06T06:15:29 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJA3J--g_yI that's goo too 2016-10-06T06:15:31 < aandrew> good 2016-10-06T06:15:35 < aandrew> tore his entire front end off 2016-10-06T06:15:53 < LeelooMinai> FreeRTOS tickless mode fail:/ http://i.imgur.com/xhSf0ko.png 2016-10-06T06:16:06 < LeelooMinai> If this is tickless, then I rest my case... 2016-10-06T06:16:18 -!- fenugrec [~R@142-217-93-241.telebecinternet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-06T06:16:39 < stvn> lol aandrew 2016-10-06T06:16:56 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: yeah that looks pretty steady 2016-10-06T06:17:14 < PeterM> at a quick glance, it looks liek that jeep was already well fucked - the air intake was already bent up 2016-10-06T06:17:25 < aandrew> man these guys will not give up until that front end is entirely off the vehicle 2016-10-06T06:17:33 < LeelooMinai> Steady... But those SysTicks were supposed not to be there:) 2016-10-06T06:19:17 < aandrew> looksl ike pennsylvania plates 2016-10-06T06:19:42 < LeelooMinai> Someone should give tham a small toy of a car, so they first try to make experiments with it in the mud:) 2016-10-06T06:21:50 < PeterM> that second one is dumb as fuck 2016-10-06T06:22:11 < LeelooMinai> I thinkk the first was relatively dumber. 2016-10-06T06:22:47 < aandrew> more idiot jeep owners: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLwaSk8nfWw 2016-10-06T06:22:56 < aandrew> I had a couple of jeeps but was never that stupid 2016-10-06T06:23:38 < aandrew> let's go mudding with bald tires... idiot 2016-10-06T06:42:47 < stvn> englishman: is the dog broken? 2016-10-06T06:54:51 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:9454:6b5e:39d7:26a4] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T06:55:38 < ReadErr> "oh you" 2016-10-06T06:55:39 < ReadErr> lol 2016-10-06T07:01:13 < stvn> o,,o 2016-10-06T07:02:45 -!- reportingsjr [~reporting@2604:a880:800:10::11e:d001] has left ##stm32 ["WeeChat 1.4"] 2016-10-06T07:03:27 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T07:06:25 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-06T07:06:29 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-06T07:33:22 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-06T07:33:36 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T07:35:08 < dongs> what the hell are these called http://www.liquidcrystalimages.com/images/liquid-crystal-display.gif 2016-10-06T07:35:19 < dongs> like the segment display that doenst need backlight to see it 2016-10-06T07:35:38 < dongs> is it just liquid crystal and the internet is so filled with garbage that searching for them only brings up bullshit color TFT? 2016-10-06T07:36:09 < LeelooMinai> It's just LCD with reflective backing 2016-10-06T07:36:42 < LeelooMinai> Or sometimes transreflective I think so you can still use backlight 2016-10-06T07:38:01 < LeelooMinai> That's why I wrote transreflective:p 2016-10-06T07:38:48 -!- jadew [~rcc@2a02:2f0a:b050:1198:1c1a:e35:5830:8db5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-06T07:41:06 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-06T07:41:22 < stvn> Laurenceb: http://i.imgur.com/5rz4qua.jpg 2016-10-06T07:41:39 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T07:42:23 < dongs> stvn: should be attn LeelooMinai 2016-10-06T07:42:53 < LeelooMinai> I am not much into cars... 2016-10-06T07:42:54 < stvn> olol 2016-10-06T07:43:15 < LeelooMinai> ... much better at riding a bike:) 2016-10-06T07:43:43 < LeelooMinai> ... 2016-10-06T07:43:45 < LeelooMinai> The what? 2016-10-06T07:44:41 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-06T07:44:45 < dongs> R2COM: fits into how they typically act on irc, so guilty until proven. 2016-10-06T07:44:59 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T07:45:11 < LeelooMinai> Well, I have a theory, that they need one person to talk about such things - seems to exite them. So, sans hackitten that seems to be absent, they had to pic a new "victim":p 2016-10-06T07:46:00 < LeelooMinai> I guess when I am gone, they will need to find someone alse again. 2016-10-06T07:48:05 < LeelooMinai> Right, to make themselves look less nuts, but good luck with that:p 2016-10-06T07:48:46 < LeelooMinai> Could be some kind of deflection, to mask their own problems too... 2016-10-06T07:50:07 < dongs> seriously 2016-10-06T07:50:25 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Well, imo all you have achived so far is shedding a light of what who you are attracted too - sorry about that:p 2016-10-06T07:51:16 < LeelooMinai> Right, of course - and yet you talk daily about "transfaggotry" as there was no tomorrow:p 2016-10-06T07:51:16 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has quit [Quit: i'm not gay, just sayin'] 2016-10-06T07:53:08 < LeelooMinai> Seems like something about dongs&R2COM :) 2016-10-06T07:57:15 < LeelooMinai> Man, FreeRTOS is lame. I thing I found out why even in tickless mode I get all those interrupts - they use them anyways for the... software timers. 2016-10-06T07:58:30 < LeelooMinai> Well, in my experience it's the safest bet - they tend to remain the same:) 2016-10-06T07:59:05 < LeelooMinai> So, I assume that R2COM 5 years from now will still seek to call people "transfaggots" and I cannot change him anyways... 2016-10-06T07:59:29 < jpa-> my usual strategy is to use the freertos own timeouts and timers only for slow stuff, and then have custom routines for more accurate timing 2016-10-06T07:59:41 < jpa-> then i can have the freertos tick at 100Hz or so 2016-10-06T08:00:12 < LeelooMinai> imo their softtimer system is just broken... 2016-10-06T08:00:16 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: you still haven't ignored R2COM? and you've been here like.. atleast a week :D 2016-10-06T08:00:55 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: I maybe ignored one person in 30 years on IRC... And that was just someone posting advertisments:p 2016-10-06T08:01:55 < jpa-> :P 2016-10-06T08:02:05 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Well, ok, but then you need to write that functionality and it won't be nicely integrated with the scheduling system. Chibios does that and it works fine. 2016-10-06T08:02:18 < jpa-> wasn't IRC invented only 28 years ago, though 2016-10-06T08:02:49 < LeelooMinai> What I mean that Chibios used the same SysTick timer for both the system and virtual timers - and that makes sense. 2016-10-06T08:03:18 < LeelooMinai> But FreeRTOS made separate thread with queue just for the timers - that's lame. 2016-10-06T08:04:19 < LeelooMinai> There are ports - for AVR, Cortex-Ms and some other probably, maybe msp430(?) and some Renesas stuff. 2016-10-06T08:04:37 < LeelooMinai> The port .h and .c just includes things that are micro-dependent. 2016-10-06T08:04:40 < jpa-> work queues are often more useful than receiving the timer call in interrupt mode 2016-10-06T08:05:00 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: That's great, but not if they massacre the tickless mode like that... 2016-10-06T08:05:41 < jpa-> haven't tried freertos tickless so can't say about that 2016-10-06T08:05:49 < LeelooMinai> It gets included in projects directly - I just open sources in Eclipse 2016-10-06T08:06:09 < jpa-> but seems like they shouldn't have to do that, no matter whether they deliver timers in thread or in interrupt mode 2016-10-06T08:06:18 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Not like I am making this up. This is tickless mode with software timers... http://i.imgur.com/PkQVAai.png 2016-10-06T08:07:07 < LeelooMinai> I made the tick 10μs, then enabled ticless mode and enabled software timer fiunctionality. 2016-10-06T08:07:50 < LeelooMinai> So, I guess I would need to exclude software timers, but then I am back where I was... 2016-10-06T08:08:08 < jpa-> so one interrupt every 6ms or so? what is the software timer resolution? 2016-10-06T08:08:24 < LeelooMinai> No, one every 10μs 2016-10-06T08:08:41 < LeelooMinai> It's 49MHz and timer res is one CPU cycle 2016-10-06T08:08:44 < jpa-> ah, i was reading that wrong 2016-10-06T08:08:44 < LeelooMinai> 48* 2016-10-06T08:09:02 < LeelooMinai> The SysTick reg is 24 bit long, so that's good for maybe 350ms 2016-10-06T08:09:34 < jpa-> yeah, that seems strange.. maybe there is some reason or config option for that? have you tried asking the freertos mailing list or something? 2016-10-06T08:10:02 < jpa-> but nice if they have timer res of one cpu cycle now 2016-10-06T08:10:15 < LeelooMinai> Well, I think the reson is software timers - they check them using tick interrupt... 2016-10-06T08:11:02 < LeelooMinai> I will disble them and see. 2016-10-06T08:11:33 < jpa-> hmm, so is the resolution of software timers 1 clock cycle or not? because if it is, how would they be checking them with 10us interrupt? 2016-10-06T08:11:56 < LeelooMinai> No, software timers have resolution of RTOS tick 2016-10-06T08:12:26 < LeelooMinai> So normaly 1ms 2016-10-06T08:12:50 < LeelooMinai> 2-3 orders of magnitude less than Chibios 2016-10-06T08:13:12 < jpa-> ok, so why would there be 10us tick interrupt if the timers only have 1ms resolution? 2016-10-06T08:14:00 < jpa-> it sounds like something is wrong here and you should probably figure that out before assuming it is just the way it is designed 2016-10-06T08:14:09 < LeelooMinai> 1ms is the default. I changed the RTOS tick to 10us because the only way to specify small delay for those small timer is using RTOS ticks (that's what they take as parameter) 2016-10-06T08:14:48 < dongs> if your systick isnt 1khz youre doing it wrong 2016-10-06T08:14:52 < LeelooMinai> I looked at the source - I see that's how this is implemented... Unless you find some revelation:) 2016-10-06T08:14:53 < dongs> very wrong 2016-10-06T08:16:02 < LeelooMinai> dongs: No - what happens is that you are trying to think in old ways, without tickless mode. 2016-10-06T08:16:07 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: ah, so it is 10us timer resolution for you, ok, then it makes sense; i was just confused because first you said timer resolution is 1 clock cycle and then you said it is 1ms 2016-10-06T08:16:40 < jpa-> then sounds indeed that freertos tickless mode is pretty half-assed 2016-10-06T08:16:43 < dongs> i dont need any dickless mode stuff 2016-10-06T08:16:49 < dongs> i dont even use feertos or kawaiios 2016-10-06T08:16:57 < dongs> i use keil rtx which is absolutley great 2016-10-06T08:17:08 < LeelooMinai> dongs: So what are you talking about if you don't use them... 2016-10-06T08:17:26 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Read that, and than try again: http://www.chibios.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=chibios:articles:high_resolution 2016-10-06T08:17:30 < dongs> haha, vendor address 2016-10-06T08:17:33 < dongs> 3000 long dong avenue 2016-10-06T08:17:35 < dongs> shanghai 2016-10-06T08:17:38 < dongs> attn upgrdman 2016-10-06T08:18:10 < upgrdman> lol 2016-10-06T08:18:21 < upgrdman> shit i need go there and take a selfie 2016-10-06T08:18:27 < dongs> exactly 2016-10-06T08:19:34 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T08:19:43 < LeelooMinai> Right, I just leave default for the port - it uses WFI() there. 2016-10-06T08:20:02 < upgrdman> hmmm half mile walk from subway.... i might just take a selfie on Longdong Ave 2016-10-06T08:20:24 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T08:20:48 < dongs> S121 2016-10-06T08:20:50 < dongs> whatever that is 2016-10-06T08:21:20 < upgrdman> i'll be so pissed if the street sign is only in chinese 2016-10-06T08:21:25 < upgrdman> most are cn/en 2016-10-06T08:22:02 < dongs> wut 2016-10-06T08:22:05 < dongs> is there no streetview in china? 2016-10-06T08:22:13 < dongs> cant drop google map yellowdude 2016-10-06T08:22:15 < upgrdman> not on google 2016-10-06T08:22:19 < stvn> probably banned 2016-10-06T08:22:30 < dongs> i guess on baidooo maps? 2016-10-06T08:22:38 < upgrdman> maybe on some china shit map service 2016-10-06T08:22:50 < upgrdman> buttfuck if i can read their web sites 2016-10-06T08:25:53 < LeelooMinai> Meh, just established that same happens without software timers:/ 2016-10-06T08:28:05 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, however, now I don't understand it - looking at the code it does calculate next interrupt value taking in account the couter bit length etc. so I don't get why it is 10μs... 2016-10-06T08:31:08 < LeelooMinai> http://pastebin.com/zqdUWhvp 2016-10-06T08:31:14 < LeelooMinai> Line 573 or so 2016-10-06T08:31:48 < dongs> __asm volatile( "cpsie i" ); 2016-10-06T08:31:49 < dongs> ........ 2016-10-06T08:31:52 < LeelooMinai> I see all the calculations there suggesting that yes, they try to delay SysTick as long as possoble... 2016-10-06T08:31:55 < dongs> they never heard of cmsis intrinsics? 2016-10-06T08:32:26 < LeelooMinai> On AVR? :) 2016-10-06T08:32:58 < LeelooMinai> I think they have differnt ports, like AVR, etc. so try to use just basic stuff. 2016-10-06T08:33:32 < LeelooMinai> Probably inline asm is more universally suported. 2016-10-06T08:39:52 < LeelooMinai> I broke inside that code and xExpectedIdleTime value is 29116, so 291ms or so 2016-10-06T08:51:16 < LeelooMinai> I watched some of it long time ago. 2016-10-06T08:52:01 < LeelooMinai> Did they make an apisode about Trump yet? :p 2016-10-06T08:54:07 < dongs> LeelooMinai: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you! 2016-10-06T08:56:15 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Hi! It looks like you are creating an unnecessary noise on the channel by disrupting it with automated messages. May I suggest you /msg yourself directly instead? Thank you! 2016-10-06T08:57:58 < LeelooMinai> He said this "LeelooMinai: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!" 2016-10-06T08:58:23 < LeelooMinai> autism at work I guess 2016-10-06T08:59:11 < dongs> why would you evne bother repeating this at all 2016-10-06T08:59:42 < LeelooMinai> dongs: You have some reading skills fault too? :) 2016-10-06T09:00:32 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T09:00:57 < stvn> shekel 2016-10-06T09:01:01 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: for those playing along at home, this is the segment that i like to call bullshit... 'cause we're in like flynn] 2016-10-06T09:17:26 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-chtqefnwwsuhgjtr] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T09:22:50 < dongs> http://www.mirtecusa.com/products-desktopaoi-mv3.php 2016-10-06T09:22:53 < dongs> ISIS vision system 2016-10-06T09:24:36 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T09:32:50 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T09:36:57 < dongs> anyone know any cheap USB->GPIB thingies 2016-10-06T09:37:06 < dongs> need to log some junk from a gpib port 2016-10-06T09:37:44 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-06T09:38:11 < ReadErr> ohsix: heard usenet has been going to shit lately 2016-10-06T09:39:20 < dongs> that certainly sounds like something that belongs in a /msg, ReadErr 2016-10-06T09:39:37 < ReadErr> sorry sir 2016-10-06T09:41:01 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-06T10:09:33 < kakimir> I need that soon 2016-10-06T10:16:55 < dongs> GPIB? somehow i doubt it 2016-10-06T10:18:37 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-06T10:18:56 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T10:35:36 < upgrdman> hehe, time to stop using opengl immediate mode. gtx1080, and im able to peg "GPU Core" at 99% 2016-10-06T10:36:27 < dongs> < upgrdman> hehe, time to stop using opengl 2016-10-06T10:36:35 < dongs> ftfy 2016-10-06T10:37:11 < upgrdman> ohsix, porting my telemetry charting to opengl 2016-10-06T10:37:29 < upgrdman> i found an excellent book, liked the PDF i torrented so much that i ordered the hardcover 2016-10-06T10:37:36 < upgrdman> well 2016-10-06T10:37:48 < upgrdman> i like the book, but i wish it wasnt written like a textbook 2016-10-06T10:37:57 < upgrdman> but the content is wonderful 2016-10-06T10:38:40 < upgrdman> ohsix, https://www.amazon.com/Computer-Graphics-Through-OpenGL-Experiments/dp/1482258390/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1475739511&sr=8-1&keywords=opengl+through 2016-10-06T10:40:27 < upgrdman> orly 2016-10-06T10:40:30 < upgrdman> hmm 2016-10-06T10:41:37 < dongs> number of openGL software ohsix has released in the last decade: 0 2016-10-06T10:41:45 < dongs> just somethin' to keep in mind 2016-10-06T10:44:48 < upgrdman> ya have that bookmarked. i think it was you that tipped me off to it earlier :) 2016-10-06T10:45:20 < dongs> this conversation reminds me of what would happen if I was giving R2COM IC layout advice 2016-10-06T10:45:23 < dongs> by quickly googling it. 2016-10-06T10:54:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.228] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T11:00:29 < upgrdman> yup 2016-10-06T11:01:40 < upgrdman> ohsix, so like i sorta mentioned, i find the content to be awesome. main gripe is its written like a textbook. sometimes too wordy, stupid questions to provoke thought, etc. 2016-10-06T11:01:55 < upgrdman> also, you kinda need to open the source code and look at it while reading the book. 2016-10-06T11:03:03 < upgrdman> but compared to all other opengl books i've found, it seems the best. starts with easy old gl style, then transitions to new style, and covers lots of the concepts of gl and graphics along the way 2016-10-06T11:07:05 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f7758c7.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-06T11:09:21 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T11:20:17 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-06T11:24:00 < dongs> lol wut 2016-10-06T11:24:10 < dongs> apple tokyo office is hiring analog layout engineer 2016-10-06T11:25:09 < dongs> why would they haev any kinda R&D shit in tokyo thats weird 2016-10-06T11:27:37 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T11:40:51 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/arduino/would-like-hire-Arduino-Engineer-11713623/ 2016-10-06T11:40:54 < dongs> attn upgrdman 2016-10-06T11:42:23 < upgrdman> PROJECT BUDGET 2016-10-06T11:42:23 < upgrdman> $10 - $30 AUD 2016-10-06T11:42:26 < upgrdman> fuck that noise 2016-10-06T11:42:57 < dongs> freecancer should use the project hosting fees they get 2016-10-06T11:43:00 < dongs> to pay you per minute 2016-10-06T11:43:03 < dongs> for writing proposal 2016-10-06T11:43:04 < upgrdman> PROJECT DESCRIPTION 2016-10-06T11:43:04 < upgrdman> I am a university student looking to program an ATMEGA16(L) with the Quine-McCluskey Algorithm for a boolean calculator. It is urgent. 2016-10-06T11:43:12 < upgrdman> lol, fucking cheater 2016-10-06T11:43:15 < dongs> lol 2016-10-06T11:44:29 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/multisim-expert-required-now/ fuck everytime i see tehse I repeatedly read it as "muslim expert" 2016-10-06T11:47:21 < dongs> I do not accept bids higher than $50. You must be an Electrical Engineer experienced in the following disciplines. I need tutoring in these areas: AM,FM, SINE, TRIANGLE, SQUARE, PWD= PULSE WIDTH MODULATION, FSK= FREQUENCY SHIFT-KEYING 2016-10-06T11:47:35 < upgrdman> lol 2016-10-06T11:48:07 < dongs> Hi I want to program a raspberi pi robot, can someone help me write the code? 2016-10-06T11:51:34 < upgrdman> dongs, old but in case you have not seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhXoYcwsEVI 2016-10-06T11:52:11 < dongs> micah elizapth scott sounds like a typical irc M2F 2016-10-06T11:52:37 < dongs> Comments are disabled for this video. 2016-10-06T11:52:39 < dongs> i bet 2016-10-06T11:52:45 < dongs> there was probably so much rage going in comments 2016-10-06T11:52:50 < upgrdman> it was on HaD a couple years ago iirc 2016-10-06T11:54:01 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-06T11:54:17 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:9454:6b5e:39d7:26a4] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-06T11:54:33 < dongs> damn this southafrican isnt gonna be able to afford my $100/hour freecancer 2016-10-06T11:58:46 < qyx> southafrican? 2016-10-06T11:59:18 < qyx> aha 2016-10-06T11:59:32 < dongs> as in their location 2016-10-06T12:01:26 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-06T12:07:12 < Thorn> which function gen to buy, $50 or $500 one lol 2016-10-06T12:16:25 < Thorn> first and foremost learning analog stuff for real by buiding circuits 2016-10-06T12:17:44 < dongs> http://www.news.com.au/travel/world-travel/asia/crt-spotted/news-story/2f9ead8b56c3b629b185693c047c27c6 attn stvn 2016-10-06T12:17:47 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T12:58:24 < jpa-> Thorn: "analog stuff" is pretty wide spec 2016-10-06T12:58:47 < jpa-> for audio stuff you can get pretty much any cheapie, for e.g. analog video you need a lot more 2016-10-06T13:00:47 < Thorn> that's why my range is Chinese amateur $50 one to sdg2042x hackable to 120MHz lol 2016-10-06T13:09:20 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-06T13:09:44 < Ecco> hey 2016-10-06T13:30:55 -!- fenugrec [~R@142-217-93-241.telebecinternet.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T13:47:44 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-06T13:48:54 < dongs> hmm what the fuck now my ITM_SendChar isnt working 2016-10-06T13:51:14 < dongs> oh i didnt connect SWO i guess im fukd then 2016-10-06T14:01:16 < Thorn> tracking generator with mechanical sweep lol https://youtu.be/NlbC-cMIBTY?t=22m35s 2016-10-06T14:17:58 < Ecco> So I'm looking at the datasheet of a constant-current boost converter. It comes witha typical application circuit which uses a schottky diode. But it doesn't give any explanation about which diode I should pick. How can I figure that out? 2016-10-06T14:26:17 < Thorn> https://www.ecnmag.com/article/2015/03/choosing-right-schottky-diode-led-backlight-boost-converter 2016-10-06T14:26:25 < Ecco> Oh thanks 2016-10-06T14:33:27 -!- danielinux [sbnc@fosdem/staff/danielinux] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-06T14:35:05 -!- danielinux [sbnc@danielinux.default.trexotech.uk0.bigv.io] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T14:44:54 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-06T14:50:59 < Ecco> USBLC6-2SC6 2016-10-06T14:51:04 < Ecco> Any advice on this part? 2016-10-06T14:51:13 < Ecco> I'm looking for an ESD protection for an USB port 2016-10-06T14:51:25 < aandrew> I use it 2016-10-06T14:51:35 < aandrew> haven't blown anything up, that's all the testing I've done 2016-10-06T14:51:56 < Thorn> I used it too but it's impossible to tell how efficient it is lol 2016-10-06T14:52:56 < Ecco> ok :-) 2016-10-06T14:53:20 < Ecco> My understanding is that those are nearly useless 2016-10-06T14:53:26 < aandrew> interesting, why? 2016-10-06T14:53:41 < Ecco> Since ESD surges tend to go on the external (grounded) part of the micro-usb connector 2016-10-06T14:54:05 < karlp> so why are you asking for part recommendations then? 2016-10-06T14:54:11 < karlp> it's pretty easy, if you're making 5, leave them off. 2016-10-06T14:54:18 < karlp> if you're making 5000, definitely include them. 2016-10-06T14:54:36 < aandrew> if you're making 5000000, spend the time to test just how useful they are 2016-10-06T14:54:46 < Ecco> karlp: because just like you said, better safe than sorry :) 2016-10-06T14:55:03 < aandrew> an ESD event on the ground/case is irrelavent unless some other part of the circuit isn't also moving with that potential 2016-10-06T14:55:09 < Ecco> So I'll probably put one, and I'd like to make sure I'm not picking an exotic part 2016-10-06T14:55:24 < aandrew> then the ESD protection is still effective if it is bidirectional :-) 2016-10-06T14:55:26 < Ecco> aandrew: agreed 2016-10-06T14:55:30 < aandrew> nah common as dirt 2016-10-06T14:55:32 < Thorn> I guess the efficiency depends a lot on the layout 2016-10-06T14:55:34 < Ecco> ok great 2016-10-06T14:56:16 < aandrew> I usually stick it directly behind the connector, it's got nice "flow through" routing, I stick the vias inside the part body, touching the pins 2016-10-06T14:56:43 < Ecco> SOT23 packaging? 2016-10-06T14:56:52 < Thorn> sot23-6 2016-10-06T14:57:08 < Ecco> So that's USBLC6-2SC6, right? 2016-10-06T14:58:03 < aandrew> SC70-6 for me 2016-10-06T14:59:20 < aandrew> oh, I'm using TPD4E001 in this design 2016-10-06T14:59:32 < Ecco> aandrew: Yeah, I was about to say I didn't find this part in that package 2016-10-06T15:00:00 < aandrew> I've also used USBLC6 though 2016-10-06T15:05:00 < Ecco> ok 2016-10-06T15:05:08 < Ecco> Both are pretty similar I guess? 2016-10-06T15:06:21 < Thorn> there is also STF202-22T1G 2016-10-06T15:20:45 < Ecco> Thanks 2016-10-06T15:25:33 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-06T15:33:23 -!- damme [~damme@h-203-16.a216.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T15:36:24 < dongs> whats a good algorithm to take color from one value (rgb) to another smoothly? like I wanna fade from FFFFFF to 103030 or something over x steps 2016-10-06T15:38:20 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T15:38:29 < Laurenceb_> lul UKIP 2016-10-06T15:38:33 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.159.93] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T15:38:33 < Laurenceb_> most epin dramaz 2016-10-06T15:40:35 < ReadErr> excuse me sir 2016-10-06T15:40:37 < ReadErr> I dont 4chan 2016-10-06T15:40:39 < ReadErr> wtf is that 2016-10-06T15:41:00 < dongs> UK version of mudkip 2016-10-06T15:41:12 < karlp> dongs: convert to hsv? 2016-10-06T15:41:21 < dongs> karlp: i donno, seems involved 2016-10-06T15:41:26 < Laurenceb_> its the party where the leadership contenders kill each other 2016-10-06T15:41:32 < Laurenceb_> like real life gladiators 2016-10-06T15:41:54 < Laurenceb_> gladiator party, now theres an idea 2016-10-06T15:47:59 < dongs> https://github.com/FastLED/FastLED/blob/03d12093a92ee2b64fabb03412aa0c3e4f6384dd/colorutils.cpp#L1101 2016-10-06T15:48:02 < dongs> wow 2016-10-06T15:48:04 < dongs> what a dumbway to do it 2016-10-06T15:49:34 < dongs> also wut, why the fuck are tehy even passing this 'maxchanges' shit 2016-10-06T15:51:00 < dongs> https://gist.github.com/kriegsman/1f7ccbbfa492a73c015e#file-palettecrossfade-ino-L48 2016-10-06T15:51:06 < dongs> i dont think it does what he thinks it does 2016-10-06T15:55:47 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.159.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-06T15:56:23 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_: when are you gonna brexit finally 2016-10-06T15:56:58 < Laurenceb_> next year 2016-10-06T15:58:09 < Laurenceb_> dongs: looks like its designed to avoid abrupt changes 2016-10-06T15:58:12 < Laurenceb_> seems sane? 2016-10-06T16:01:30 < karlp> yeah, but channel count is only ever going to be what, 4? 2016-10-06T16:02:02 < karlp> so any maxchanges value > sizeof(CRGBPalette16); is never going to hit 2016-10-06T16:03:52 < karlp> you don't even get a return value to know if you've finally gotten there. 2016-10-06T16:04:15 < karlp> so, what, you call it repeatedly over and over and over, and eventually it does nothing ever time 2016-10-06T16:11:15 < dongs> karlp: right 2016-10-06T16:11:20 < Laurenceb_> lul 2016-10-06T16:11:30 * Laurenceb_ was too lazy to read 2016-10-06T16:11:46 < dongs> i dont understand about "how many changes to make in each call" shit 2016-10-06T16:11:51 < dongs> makes no sense 2016-10-06T16:12:01 < Laurenceb_> larduino level code 2016-10-06T16:14:41 -!- fenugrec [~R@142-217-93-241.telebecinternet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-06T16:18:30 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-103-149.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T16:20:08 < Thorn> dongs: https://github.com/d3/d3-interpolate/issues/14 2016-10-06T16:21:00 < dongs> yes this 2016-10-06T16:21:04 < dongs> what the fuck is this, node.js? 2016-10-06T16:21:19 < Thorn> no idea 2016-10-06T16:21:34 < Thorn> javascript 2016-10-06T16:37:19 < Rickta59> server side javascript often used to build networked based things 2016-10-06T16:38:03 < Rickta59> used by linkedin, netflix, nyt, paypal, medium, uber 2016-10-06T16:38:22 < dongs> sorry to hear that 2016-10-06T16:39:24 < Rickta59> makes it easy to deploy a user web based app that can interact locally with hardware 2016-10-06T16:40:42 < Rickta59> they stole my idea from 1998 2016-10-06T16:41:18 < Rickta59> ti is using to provide a web interface gui to their launchpad hardware 2016-10-06T16:41:34 < Rickta59> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGyU9NT8LrI 2016-10-06T16:44:06 < Rickta59> seems to be the right approach to me .. gui people all know html/javascript .. and that is where all the money is so they aren't designing windows/x apps any more 2016-10-06T16:44:39 < Rickta59> so the only gui stuff being done on desktops any more is done by engineers and they look like crap 2016-10-06T16:45:13 < Rickta59> and osx ... no one does embedded dev on those 2016-10-06T16:47:59 < Steffanx> Wut? 2016-10-06T16:48:02 < Rickta59> here is a better overview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrWOAhMtxDs 2016-10-06T16:49:29 < dongs> faggotry. 2016-10-06T16:49:40 < Rickta59> yes but pretty 2016-10-06T16:49:56 < karlp> d3 is client side js Rickta59 normally, thought I'm sur eyou could use it server side 2016-10-06T16:50:32 < Rickta59> personally i haven't kept up with all this stuff 2016-10-06T16:50:54 < Rickta59> * d3 isn't something i've heard about .. but i stopped doing web stuff about 6 years ago 2016-10-06T16:51:05 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.2 - http://znc.in] 2016-10-06T16:51:14 < dongs> oh fukin hell, just noticed WS2812 stuff is G,R,B 2016-10-06T16:52:21 < Rickta59> https://d3js.org/ this stuff karlp ? 2016-10-06T16:52:36 < dongs> the shit thorn linked. 2016-10-06T16:52:55 < Rickta59> ah 2016-10-06T16:54:29 < Rickta59> so funny how all this has changed as desktop javascript and machines have become faster .. used to be you did most stuff on the server to ease the burden on the client .. now people don't do shit on the server ( a raspberry pi can be the server without hurting itself ) 2016-10-06T16:55:01 < karlp> yep, it's like bitcoin, move all the processing to somewhere where you don't pay for the power consumption :) 2016-10-06T16:55:03 < dongs> i would fucking hope faggotberrypi can be a fucking server 2016-10-06T16:55:15 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T16:55:18 < dongs> i mean, unless your "server" is some faggotry w ritten in python 2016-10-06T16:55:19 < karlp> ship data to the client, let them mangle it all in js 2016-10-06T16:55:22 < dongs> that uses a single core to while(1) 2016-10-06T16:56:28 < karlp> it's a pretty good solution for making fancy webapps on stupid sized things like.... esp8266 or yeah, launchpad et al 2016-10-06T16:56:40 < karlp> means you can ust serve static files 2016-10-06T16:56:47 < Rickta59> sure 2016-10-06T16:57:16 < Rickta59> .. my idea in 1998 http://freecode.com/projects/maxiweb 2016-10-06T16:58:02 < karlp> the description there doens't convey that... 2016-10-06T16:58:03 < Rickta59> i snagged a copy from the internet archive and it still ran on linux today 2016-10-06T16:58:15 < karlp> you're maxiweb ther is just including the webserver in your app 2016-10-06T16:58:28 < Rickta59> node.js includes the webserver 2016-10-06T16:58:29 -!- damme [~damme@h-203-16.a216.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-06T16:58:30 < karlp> which is made more feasible when you only want to serve static files 2016-10-06T16:58:42 < Rickta59> and provides the dynamic code 2016-10-06T16:58:54 < Rickta59> that is what mine did .. but with c++ instead of javascript 2016-10-06T16:59:15 < Rickta59> and php didn't exist then so it looked like ASP 2016-10-06T16:59:20 < karlp> that's even further from static file serving and doing it client side. 2016-10-06T16:59:47 < karlp> or was your claim that you invented node.js and server side scripting? 2016-10-06T16:59:50 < Rickta59> regarding doing everthing on the client i was talking about what d3 seems to be 2016-10-06T16:59:55 < Rickta59> hell no not claiming that 2016-10-06T17:00:15 < Rickta59> just the idea of compbining web server + dynamic handlers + static content and application all in one 2016-10-06T17:01:08 < Rickta59> that is what node.js is 2016-10-06T17:01:16 < Rickta59> webserver + app 2016-10-06T17:02:54 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-103-149.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-06T17:27:47 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-06T17:35:04 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T17:45:55 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T17:48:12 < Rob235> ok so here's the plan... I watched this vid: https://youtu.be/ESc_0MgmqOA and now I want to create a rocket that goes pretty high and then releases some kind of controllable glider or controllable parachute thing with a camera. Can someone do that for me? 2016-10-06T17:50:31 < zyp> Laurenceb_ have been messing around with similar stuff 2016-10-06T17:51:04 < Rob235> how about something that works? :P 2016-10-06T17:51:42 < Laurenceb_> well not the glider at the same time 2016-10-06T17:51:54 < Rob235> what do you got goin on? 2016-10-06T17:51:57 < Rob235> just rocket stuff? 2016-10-06T17:52:00 < dongs> Laurenceb_ didnt get hired by theregister vulture wahtever shite 2016-10-06T17:52:02 < Rob235> not 'just' 2016-10-06T17:52:02 < dongs> so hes raged 2016-10-06T17:52:35 < Laurenceb_> the register are a bunch of jokers 2016-10-06T17:52:42 < Laurenceb_> no point getting involved with them 2016-10-06T17:53:03 < Rob235> Laurenceb_: have any vids of your stuff? or just thoughts at this point 2016-10-06T17:53:49 -!- ReadErr [sid34420@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mrsncwvhptzbxgnx] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-06T17:54:19 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.158.93] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T17:54:33 < Laurenceb_> yes 2016-10-06T17:55:02 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T17:55:05 < Rob235> oh, are you the one with that pro vid? 2016-10-06T17:55:22 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T17:56:15 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erwtQFfFNTQ 2016-10-06T17:58:02 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-06T17:58:38 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.158.93] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-06T17:58:41 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-06T17:59:48 < Laurenceb_> since then I've been working on rocket powered spin systems with much more success 2016-10-06T18:00:00 < Laurenceb_> but have v little free time to work on it atm 2016-10-06T18:00:25 < Laurenceb_> maybe I will run a gofundme or similar to pay my "wages" whilst I spend some serious time building it 2016-10-06T18:01:31 < Rob235> so that's why everyone says you aren't funny, you might actually be smart :) 2016-10-06T18:02:20 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/BB3kE3k.gifv 2016-10-06T18:02:32 < Laurenceb_> rocket powered spin system == epic win 2016-10-06T18:03:22 < Laurenceb_> thats 250fps -> ~5fps 2016-10-06T18:03:33 < Laurenceb_> so 1/50 real time 2016-10-06T18:04:18 < Laurenceb_> make that ~2fps 2016-10-06T18:05:06 < Laurenceb_> in reality it all happens too quickly to see wtf is happening :P 2016-10-06T18:05:37 < PaulFertser> You do not look like a /b/tard, surprisingly. 2016-10-06T18:05:47 < Laurenceb_> lul 2016-10-06T18:05:58 < dongs> which timestamp is laurnce/b/ at 2016-10-06T18:06:04 < Rob235> what does a /b/tard look lie 2016-10-06T18:06:05 < Rob235> like 2016-10-06T18:06:09 < BrainDamage> 40s in 2016-10-06T18:06:34 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/vpcxW6J.png 2016-10-06T18:06:35 < PaulFertser> I guess, dirty and inappropriate clothes, no necktie etc 2016-10-06T18:06:42 < Rob235> ahh 2016-10-06T18:06:50 < PaulFertser> Also, can't resist saying dirty words. 2016-10-06T18:07:12 < Laurenceb_> the problem with that design is that the rockoon itself still needs to be ignited 2016-10-06T18:07:20 < Laurenceb_> a "slight" design issue 2016-10-06T18:07:52 < Laurenceb_> so I made a supercap igniter that actually worked in (non spinning) bench tests 2016-10-06T18:07:56 < Rob235> Laurenceb_: did you go to hogwarts? 2016-10-06T18:08:21 < Rob235> where do you live? 2016-10-06T18:08:21 < Laurenceb_> lulwut 2016-10-06T18:08:29 < Laurenceb_> UK midlands 2016-10-06T18:08:55 < Laurenceb_> Derby area 2016-10-06T18:09:23 < Rob235> I was just commenting on the accent, the uk/british whatever accent along with talking about learning made me think of harry potter 2016-10-06T18:09:35 < Laurenceb_> top trollin 2016-10-06T18:10:38 < Laurenceb_> I tried watching harry potter once, made it about 30 seconds before raging 2016-10-06T18:10:45 < Rob235> I just feel stupid now :( I can barely make a multicopter 2016-10-06T18:10:46 < Laurenceb_> it was like ADHD in video form 2016-10-06T18:11:08 < Laurenceb_> here is a 1.5s shot, now for something unrelated 2016-10-06T18:11:15 < Laurenceb_> it made the hobbit films look good 2016-10-06T18:11:39 < BrainDamage> i'd like to see you watch the snatch or memento then 2016-10-06T18:13:10 < Laurenceb_> anyway, currently I'm thinking of making a nozzle insert for the main rockoon 2016-10-06T18:13:40 < Laurenceb_> then there is only one ignition event and the rockoon can launch out of a tube, which makes it easier to mount on the balloon payload and easier to keep warm 2016-10-06T18:15:04 < Laurenceb_> something very similar to this patent 2016-10-06T18:15:05 < Laurenceb_> http://www.google.com/patents/US6450443 2016-10-06T18:15:50 < Rob235> oh of course 2016-10-06T18:18:31 < Laurenceb_> but with the "high torque" system splitting into two halves under centripetal accel 2016-10-06T18:18:42 < Laurenceb_> seems a lot simpler 2016-10-06T18:19:10 < Rob235> I don't know what took you so long to think of that.... duh 2016-10-06T18:19:23 < Laurenceb_> hehe 2016-10-06T18:19:58 < Laurenceb_> yeah I got obsessed with brushless motor based stuff as it allows v accurate control of rpm and easy testing 2016-10-06T18:20:39 < Laurenceb_> but it just makes it way too hard to get the rocket into the state where its in spinning in free space with minimal precession 2016-10-06T18:21:07 < Laurenceb_> well I need to work, bbl 2016-10-06T18:21:12 < Rob235> later 2016-10-06T18:24:13 -!- sduiui [4f01dd43@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.1.221.67] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T18:25:19 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-06T18:25:53 < sduiui> Interrupts handlers should be as small as possible. No while, no for. This is what I found in books and blog posts. Is it so really bad to do some logic in interrupt routines? 2016-10-06T18:26:04 < dongs> no 2016-10-06T18:26:10 < dongs> as long as its not stupid shit 2016-10-06T18:26:11 < dongs> youre ok. 2016-10-06T18:26:28 < dongs> don't haev a task that takes up 10 seconds inside an interrupt handler. 2016-10-06T18:26:52 -!- ReadErr [sid34420@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xbdolfivdcrmjksq] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T18:27:02 < Rob235> I copy a buffer in one of my interrupt handlers 2016-10-06T18:27:27 < sduiui> 10 seconds is not a lot of time? 2016-10-06T18:27:39 < sduiui> did you mean 10 ms? 2016-10-06T18:27:39 < dongs> not at all. 2016-10-06T18:27:54 < dongs> no, i meant 10 seconds 2016-10-06T18:28:18 < sduiui> But the OS is freazed if something like that happens 2016-10-06T18:28:43 < sduiui> Other interrupt routine doesn't run 2016-10-06T18:28:51 < dongs> on avr maybe 2016-10-06T18:28:51 < sduiui> No more real time no? 2016-10-06T18:29:06 < Rob235> set interrupt priorities? 2016-10-06T18:29:20 < dongs> this is why its called NESTED vectored interrupt controller 2016-10-06T18:30:20 < sduiui> Oh, cool I'm new to ARM 2016-10-06T18:30:37 < Rob235> I like to say I am too :) 2016-10-06T18:31:06 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/CPlusPlus-Programming/Manufacture-Product-for-11716723/ 2016-10-06T18:31:31 < dongs> If you make a bid, just to ask for a higher pay once I talk with you, then you will be muted. - make your bid reflect your required pay. 2016-10-06T18:31:34 < dongs> If you ask me to describe the problem again, then you will be muted. 2016-10-06T18:31:35 < dongs> lol. 2016-10-06T18:31:38 < dongs> if you attempt at convincing me that it what you are doing is hard, then you will be muted. 2016-10-06T18:32:28 < Rob235> haha 2016-10-06T18:36:00 < aandrew> that's awesome 2016-10-06T18:36:04 < aandrew> I'm going to bid just to do those things 2016-10-06T18:36:19 < dongs> way ahead of you 2016-10-06T18:36:20 < Rob235> every single one of em 2016-10-06T18:37:12 < Rob235> yo, I want $500 because it's a hard project and you need to tell me what you need done 2016-10-06T18:37:29 < dongs> If you message me complaining that my bid is too high, you will be muted. 2016-10-06T18:37:29 < dongs> If you message me asking to clarify things I already written in this proposal, you will be muted. 2016-10-06T18:37:32 < dongs> If you will try to tell me that your project is doable using ONLY the hardware in your list, you will be muted. 2016-10-06T18:38:37 < sduiui> lol 2016-10-06T18:38:46 < sduiui> people are funny 2016-10-06T18:39:11 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Develop-hardware-USB-audio-ADC/ 2016-10-06T18:40:15 < dongs> fairly sane except for budget and target size 2016-10-06T18:40:38 < dongs> should just bid on that shit and link them to https://www.oscium.com/ 2016-10-06T18:42:20 < aandrew> dongs: Imma undercut you to get the bid :-) 2016-10-06T18:42:28 < dongs> he just told me he cant afford mine 2016-10-06T18:42:42 < dongs> > Not gonna happen, I myself can complete the project if I have the time. Meanwhile, I can't afford your bid. 2016-10-06T18:43:14 < sduiui> Usually what's your pay rate for a day? 2016-10-06T18:43:46 < sduiui> I mean how much should a C programmer ask? 2016-10-06T18:43:52 < sduiui> (no hardware) 2016-10-06T18:44:08 < aandrew> wtf, I can't bid $9500 because I'm not a plus member? 2016-10-06T18:44:09 < dongs> Yes I can. The camera has 4 wires, one is for sound, another is for camera, if I know the clock speed, and so on, then I can wire it up and set a microcontroller to put it into array appropriately. If I understand the LCD, then I can do the same with that. It isn't hard, it is a matter of understanding the clock speed. 2016-10-06T18:44:11 < aandrew> fuck you, freecancer 2016-10-06T18:44:14 < dongs> hahaha 2016-10-06T18:44:24 < aandrew> I *am* a plus member 2016-10-06T18:44:33 < aandrew> oh I need 5 reviews 2016-10-06T18:44:36 < aandrew> wtf 2016-10-06T18:44:47 < dongs> wow do i ahve 5 reviews? 2016-10-06T18:44:50 < dongs> hmm 2016-10-06T18:45:05 < dongs> Your suggestion looks like a "spray and pray", that you make a high bid and simply hope that I am an idiot. 2016-10-06T18:46:19 < Rob235> are you vw11221122? 2016-10-06T18:51:19 < dongs> sweet 2016-10-06T18:51:21 < dongs> got muted 2016-10-06T18:51:34 < Rob235> at least he's not a liar 2016-10-06T18:52:39 < dongs> k bedtime 2016-10-06T18:53:18 < Rob235> sweet dreams loverboy 2016-10-06T18:53:22 < sduiui> goodnight 2016-10-06T19:01:50 < Rob235> ok so with SPI with only one device, you can't just keep the line low (active) because raising the line is what latches the values in the shift registers? 2016-10-06T19:03:42 < aandrew> wow I can't even bid $1800, this is idiotic. 2016-10-06T19:03:53 < aandrew> I'm not going to waste my time with $50 projects 2016-10-06T19:04:14 < Rob235> how many projects did you say you needed to complete first before you can move up? 2016-10-06T19:04:23 < Rob235> oh 5 2016-10-06T19:04:58 < Rob235> how can I learn how to do all this stuff so that I can make some money? 2016-10-06T19:05:12 < Rob235> any book recommendations or sites with tons of reading material :) 2016-10-06T19:08:07 < aandrew> not really 2016-10-06T19:08:11 < aandrew> just start screwing around 2016-10-06T19:09:09 < Rob235> I guess thats what I did starting a year ago but I think my goal was too defined so I miss a lot of the little building blocks/foundation/important stuff 2016-10-06T19:09:32 < ReadErr> ctrl+c -> ctrl+v 2016-10-06T19:09:41 < Rob235> heh 2016-10-06T19:10:36 < Rob235> I mean I'm reading right now how the SPI bus protocol works... could it get any more basic? :) 2016-10-06T19:12:50 -!- sduiui [4f01dd43@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.1.221.67] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2016-10-06T19:20:00 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T19:22:03 < Rob235> damn, upgrading vmware fusion still didn't fix my problem. windows10 wont boot up anymore, maybe I should try recreating the virtual machine 2016-10-06T19:23:51 < Lux> Rob235: try library genesis 2016-10-06T19:24:01 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.158.157] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T19:24:02 < Lux> dunno if that's blocked in the us though 2016-10-06T19:25:24 < Rob235> I have a vpn if so 2016-10-06T19:26:07 < Rob235> what should I start with though hah, general electrical engineering texts? 2016-10-06T19:27:01 < Rob235> maybe just creating a variety of different projects would be better 2016-10-06T19:27:14 < Rob235> thats me being lazy 2016-10-06T19:28:21 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.158.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-06T19:29:48 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T19:30:36 < BenderTheMan> Can someone give me a hand, I have an ADC up and running but my ADC interrupt is generating two interrupts... It's in discontinious mode 2016-10-06T19:30:47 < BenderTheMan> I'm posting my code on pastie so you can take a look 2016-10-06T19:32:03 < BenderTheMan> Here it is http://pastebin.com/CMFkFEby 2016-10-06T19:32:15 < karlp> what are you expecting to happen? 2016-10-06T19:32:38 < BenderTheMan> Anyone seem anything fishy or why would I get two ADC interrupts? Frist one has correct value and on uart I get ADC value: 1502 (example) 2016-10-06T19:32:54 < BenderTheMan> and the second one is displaying always some small value around 100 like ADC value : 108 2016-10-06T19:36:38 < Lux> Rob235: dunno, depends what you are interested in 2016-10-06T19:37:09 < Lux> imo it's allways good to start with the basics, just gives you a better understanding in general 2016-10-06T19:37:34 < Rob235> yea, I wish I just knew everything :P but yea I think I should start with a beginners book to get fundamental electrical physics stuff down 2016-10-06T19:37:51 < Rob235> then keep kinda doing what I'm doing and research as I need to 2016-10-06T19:37:54 < Lux> doing projects is mostly just throwing stuff together until it works 2016-10-06T19:38:23 < Rob235> yea my only project has been goin on for over a year 2016-10-06T19:39:49 < Rob235> decided to add a sdcard datalogger and it's my first SPI interfaced periph so I get to learn new stuff, but stuff like transistors and caps and not using breakout boards I guess is more what I want to learn the basics of 2016-10-06T19:41:57 < aandrew> lol 2016-10-06T19:42:14 < aandrew> Freelancer's new policy puts a limit of $100 on bids until you have 25 reviews (5 reviews if you're a Plus member) 2016-10-06T19:42:21 < aandrew> so.. so much for Freelancer. 2016-10-06T19:42:25 < Rob235> wtf 2016-10-06T19:42:31 < Rob235> people suck 2016-10-06T19:44:36 < Rob235> maybe I'll do ADC before SPI 2016-10-06T19:44:41 < Rob235> thats gotta be easier 2016-10-06T19:48:24 < Rob235> oh sweet, windows loaded this time in vmware 2016-10-06T19:51:39 < Steffanx> adc easier than spi? 2016-10-06T19:52:51 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-72-75-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T19:53:59 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f7758c7.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T19:54:59 < Rob235> no? 2016-10-06T19:55:42 < Rob235> just reading two adc values 2016-10-06T19:56:01 < Rob235> vs getting a FatFs sdcard working 2016-10-06T19:56:16 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T20:00:43 < aandrew> I don't understand 2016-10-06T20:00:47 < aandrew> ADC and SPI are tow different things 2016-10-06T20:00:56 < aandrew> why not just tell us what you want to do instead of posting cryptic messages 2016-10-06T20:01:15 < Rob235> I'm not looking for help, just mentioning things I need to work on 2016-10-06T20:01:31 < aandrew> why not start out even simpler. use the USART and a create code that writes an incrementing number every second 2016-10-06T20:01:32 < Rob235> adc for reading from the voltage/current sensor and spi for the sdcard 2016-10-06T20:01:44 < aandrew> then add code that reads from the ADC and writes the ADC value every second 2016-10-06T20:02:12 < aandrew> SD Card is a lot more complex, more than just SPI 2016-10-06T20:02:26 < Rob235> I know that, I'm not that dumb, I'm just talking about starting points 2016-10-06T20:02:33 < Rob235> I have FatFs in my project 2016-10-06T20:03:31 < aandrew> yes but you're misisng the SD layer 2016-10-06T20:03:48 < aandrew> you talk SPI ot the SD card, but then over spi you gotta talk SD or MMC to be able to retrieve blocks 2016-10-06T20:03:49 < Rob235> I know, thats where the spi comes in 2016-10-06T20:04:06 < aandrew> then you use the fatfs driver to undrestand the contents of those blocks 2016-10-06T20:04:07 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T20:04:25 < Rob235> ok, just haven't gotten that far yet, spi is step 1 2016-10-06T20:05:01 < Rob235> I'm just thinking out loud. wondering which to work on first right now 2016-10-06T20:05:18 < Rob235> so I'll give adc a shot 2016-10-06T20:05:20 < aandrew> well you won't jump from SPI to fatfs; you need the SD/MMC layer so you can send the right SPI commands to say "initialize, retrieve block 1234, write block 3841" etc etc 2016-10-06T20:05:27 < aandrew> that's why I was suggesting a simpler approach :-) 2016-10-06T20:05:42 < aandrew> Id' say use USB CDC but that can be hairy (it's a lot of fiddly code) 2016-10-06T20:05:45 < Rob235> I know that, I have the empty functions in my code 2016-10-06T20:05:50 < aandrew> but it's definitely the way to go if you want serial console 2016-10-06T20:06:24 < Rob235> init/status/read/write/ioctl 2016-10-06T20:06:27 < Rob235> for fatfs 2016-10-06T20:10:06 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T20:10:39 -!- via [~via@vtluug/member/via] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T20:12:21 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-75-69-135-239.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-06T20:14:11 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-06T20:18:15 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.91] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T20:18:21 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-75-69-135-239.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T20:19:25 < BenderTheMan> Why would ADC give me two interrupts in discontinious mode? And first value is correct, after that I receive the a value around 100-150 that is incorrect? 2016-10-06T20:21:04 < BenderTheMan> I'm guessing the first interrupt is end of conversion and second one is end of cycle or something like that? 2016-10-06T20:21:08 < BenderTheMan> Any ideas how to fix that? 2016-10-06T20:21:53 < aandrew> BenderTheMan: incomplete info 2016-10-06T20:22:03 < aandrew> chip, how it's set up, what interrupts you're getting, etc. ,etc. 2016-10-06T20:22:16 < BenderTheMan> aandrew: http://pastebin.com/CMFkFEby I'm using STM32F030R8T6 2016-10-06T20:22:57 < BenderTheMan> What is confusing me is that I'm getting two interrupts triggered, first time it has correct value, second time it is incorrect. 2016-10-06T20:23:18 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T20:23:26 < aandrew> simplify, try only one channel instead of 4 2016-10-06T20:23:29 < aandrew> do you still get two interrupts? 2016-10-06T20:23:34 < BenderTheMan> Also when I try to debugg it and put a breakpoint into ISR (which is bad I guess) I don't see the second interrupt, because the micro is already halted... right 2016-10-06T20:23:36 < aandrew> how far apart ar the interrupts? 2016-10-06T20:23:44 < aandrew> are you getting an interrupt on MUX channel change for some reason? 2016-10-06T20:23:51 < aandrew> or an incomplete conversion interrupt when changing channels? 2016-10-06T20:24:12 < BenderTheMan> I'll try to log the difference in ms between them, but I think one is EOC and another one is EOSMP 2016-10-06T20:25:20 < BenderTheMan> Hmmm, selection only one channel in ADC_Setup() seems to help 2016-10-06T20:25:30 < BenderTheMan> But let me see if I can change channels and does that work 2016-10-06T20:26:20 < Rob235> BenderTheMan: what library are you using? is that cube or something? 2016-10-06T20:26:28 < BenderTheMan> Stdperpih 2016-10-06T20:26:30 < Rob235> or some kind of stdPeriph 2016-10-06T20:26:38 < aandrew> in your interrupt handler it looks like you're only acting on completion, so you are getting two completion interrupts?! 2016-10-06T20:26:40 < Rob235> I wonder if we have different versions 2016-10-06T20:27:06 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-06T20:27:46 < BenderTheMan> It seems that I'm not selecting channels properly or something. As soon as I try to select aditional channel, I get 2nd interrupt call 2016-10-06T20:28:09 < BenderTheMan> Can I just select one channel like ADC_ChannelConfig(ADC1, ADC_Channel_10, ADC_SampleTime_239_5Cycles); and then after the interrupt have ADC_ChannelConfig(ADC1, ADC_Channel_11, ADC_SampleTime_239_5Cycles); 2016-10-06T20:28:19 < aandrew> yep sounds like you're getting a premature interrupt (women hate that) 2016-10-06T20:28:37 < aandrew> I'm sure the libraries explain the correct way to select a channel. I haven't looked myself but would start there 2016-10-06T20:29:37 < Rob235> what is adc_flag_aden? 2016-10-06T20:29:46 < BenderTheMan> I'll try to look into that but it's kinda weird 2016-10-06T20:29:54 < BenderTheMan> Rob235: ADC enabled bit 2016-10-06T20:30:03 < BenderTheMan> *flag 2016-10-06T20:30:27 < Rob235> ahh, I wonder what my version is of that 2016-10-06T20:31:54 < Rob235> otherwise our setup code is pretty identical which makes me happy 2016-10-06T20:31:54 < BenderTheMan> Do I have to disable or stop ADC and then switch channels? I'm using discontinous mode but maybe I should do that? 2016-10-06T20:35:49 < BenderTheMan> It seems I'm not in discontinous mode for some reason or something like that... :\ 2016-10-06T20:36:27 < BenderTheMan> When I select more channels, I still get the same value for channels 10-13 + one more value which is probabbly end of cycle interrupt 2016-10-06T20:37:33 -!- blight [~greg@212-186-28-41.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T20:37:39 -!- blight [~greg@212-186-28-41.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-06T20:37:39 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T20:37:55 < BenderTheMan> Yeap, I have to use ADC_DiscModeCmd(ADC1, ENABLE); 2016-10-06T20:38:09 < BenderTheMan> Now I don't get 2 interrupts but selecting other channels doesn't do anything :( 2016-10-06T20:38:17 < BenderTheMan> It's always stuck to the same channel 2016-10-06T20:38:59 < via> i'm trying to do dma to both gpio and the adc on an stm32f407, but due to errata, accessing ahb and apb from dma2 causes corruption (http://imgur.com/a/qg3VK). unfortunately only dma2 does adc triggers, and only dma2 can access gpio 2016-10-06T20:39:05 < via> are there any ways to work aroudn this? 2016-10-06T20:39:39 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T20:41:01 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-06T20:42:46 < Rob235> ahh interesting, so you can only just read the single result of ADC1, guess I gotta figure out what you are trying to figure out with multiple adc inputs 2016-10-06T20:43:18 < BenderTheMan> I'm trying to read one channel, then next one, then next one and then get back to first 2016-10-06T20:43:31 < BenderTheMan> Logic to select channels is there but adc_channelConfig() doesn't seem to do anything :\ 2016-10-06T20:43:45 < Rob235> yea I haven't researched enough to know how to change channels yet 2016-10-06T20:44:02 < Rob235> or what I'm doing 2016-10-06T20:44:04 < Rob235> :) 2016-10-06T20:44:35 < Rob235> maybe I'll try it with just the one, just read the voltage from my sensor and see if I get valid data 2016-10-06T20:44:42 < Rob235> then add the current line 2016-10-06T20:46:43 -!- BrokenCog [~BrokenCog@pdpc/supporter/active/brokencog] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T20:48:16 < BenderTheMan> Doesn anyone else have an insight how to properly cycle between adc channels? Without DMA and in discontinous mode? 2016-10-06T20:49:48 < Rob235> its tough getting help in this chan, if you stick around you may, obviously I'm just starting with ADC myself 2016-10-06T20:50:27 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-06T20:50:46 < BenderTheMan> Hah! Selecting channel function was doing OR 2016-10-06T20:51:14 < BenderTheMan> Therefore lowest channel was sampled first and the rest weren't since it's the discontinous mode :) 2016-10-06T20:51:23 < BenderTheMan> ADC1->CHSELR = 0; before selecting new channel helped :) 2016-10-06T20:51:34 < Rob235> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/c4/63/a9/f4/ae/f2/48/5d/CD00258017.pdf/files/CD00258017.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00258017.pdf 2016-10-06T20:51:41 < Rob235> just found that, gonna read it a bit, maybe it has something for you 2016-10-06T20:51:46 < Rob235> oh you got it 2016-10-06T20:51:48 < Rob235> nice 2016-10-06T20:54:20 < BenderTheMan> Yeap :) 2016-10-06T20:54:30 < BenderTheMan> I've posted the code on the link above if you need it 2016-10-06T20:54:36 < BenderTheMan> Config is unchanged 2016-10-06T20:55:03 < Rob235> my config is basically same as yours, some minor differences but I think we have different versions of stdPeriph 2016-10-06T20:55:19 < Rob235> I wonder if CooCox modified it a bit (I'm using coocox coide) 2016-10-06T20:55:27 < Rob235> or if different version numbers or something 2016-10-06T20:58:06 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-06T20:59:56 < Rob235> I guess I want continuous multichannel mode 2016-10-06T21:04:21 -!- brianx [~brianx@unaffiliated/brianx] has left ##stm32 ["WeeChat 1.5"] 2016-10-06T21:04:54 < Thorn> art of electronics is annoying. references to unpublished "x-chapters" are everywhere 2016-10-06T21:06:44 < BenderTheMan> Can someone point me to the document that explains the configuration and how can I calculate how much V my ADC value is? 2016-10-06T21:07:30 < BenderTheMan> I have internal reference and I have VDD_Analog but is there a way I can select those 12bits go from 0-2.048V or something like that? 2016-10-06T21:07:59 < zyp> isn't internal reference something like 2.56? 2016-10-06T21:10:15 < BenderTheMan> I have no clue, that's why I'm asking 2016-10-06T21:10:55 < zyp> well, it's either in the reference manual or in the datasheet 2016-10-06T21:11:04 < zyp> don't remember off the top of my head which 2016-10-06T21:12:15 < BenderTheMan> I'll go trough both 2016-10-06T21:15:40 < Rob235> BenderTheMan: you loop until the enable bit is on right? I don't have that option in my code, is it the same as looping until (CR2 & 0x01) != 0 ? 2016-10-06T21:16:14 < Rob235> its the most lsb of cr2 is what I'm asking 2016-10-06T21:16:37 < Rob235> the most lsb :) 2016-10-06T21:16:57 < Rob235> http://embedded-lab.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/ADC-Registers.png 2016-10-06T21:17:01 < Rob235> thats what I was lookin at 2016-10-06T21:20:23 < Rob235> hmm and there is a watchdog, do I bother? too many damn options heh 2016-10-06T21:22:11 < Rob235> haha wait, scan and continuous are different? 2016-10-06T21:25:04 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-fbebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T21:33:35 < BenderTheMan> Where do I find the vref_int value address for my micro? 2016-10-06T21:33:52 < BenderTheMan> I'm confused by the STM website, it has like 50 pdfs for the same (family) of chips 2016-10-06T21:34:16 < BenderTheMan> found it... 2016-10-06T21:34:59 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T21:36:41 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-06T21:38:18 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-06T21:38:26 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T21:39:32 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T21:41:02 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.91] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T21:42:59 < Rob235> guess I should set up DMA for the ADC while I'm at it 2016-10-06T21:44:25 < Rob235> or not, damn I don't know what I'm doing 2016-10-06T21:52:26 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@50-251-197-179-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T21:59:44 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-fbebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T21:59:47 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-fbebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-06T22:03:23 -!- Lt_Lemming [~Lt_Lemmin@128.199.211.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-06T22:04:46 -!- Lt_Lemming [~Lt_Lemmin@128.199.211.147] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T22:14:06 -!- fenugrec [~R@142-217-36-40.telebecinternet.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T22:15:06 -!- fenug_ [~R@142-217-36-40.telebecinternet.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T22:18:47 -!- fenugrec [~R@142-217-36-40.telebecinternet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-06T22:20:33 < LeelooMinai> I think I found out what was wrong with those SysTicks:/ 2016-10-06T22:20:53 < LeelooMinai> FreeRTOS defines this: #define portTICK_PERIOD_MS ( ( TickType_t ) 1000 / configTICK_RATE_HZ ) 2016-10-06T22:20:53 < jadew> you did something wrong 2016-10-06T22:22:05 < LeelooMinai> So, obviously, Any rate over 1000 will render that macro 0. I knew that, so I was careful not to use this and searched FreeRTOS internally for references to it - there were none. 2016-10-06T22:23:09 < LeelooMinai> However, ST has this stupid CMSIS layer on top of it, and it uses it. I kind of checked it too, but I am not 100% sure nothing from that layer is used. 2016-10-06T22:23:23 < jadew> LeelooMinai, depends on what TickType_t is 2016-10-06T22:24:03 < LeelooMinai> And now the sad part is that SystemView uses that macro... 2016-10-06T22:24:06 -!- fenug_ is now known as fenugrec 2016-10-06T22:24:43 < LeelooMinai> So whatever I saw on the graph was a fail - I found this after outputing debug "info" using a pin an LA. 2016-10-06T22:24:57 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I think it's just uint32, but let me see. 2016-10-06T22:25:57 < LeelooMinai> Right, it is 2016-10-06T22:26:41 < jadew> and configTICK_RATE_HZ - is that something you control? 2016-10-06T22:27:22 < LeelooMinai> I guess that's what one has to deal with when RTOS comes from one place, then vendor adds dome layer on top, and then one uses tracing from another company, etc. 2016-10-06T22:28:01 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Yes, I have it 100,000 now, which is more than 1000, and it causes those problems. 2016-10-06T22:28:41 < LeelooMinai> But I think RTOS could deal with it, just need to fix SystemView I think - that's what I will try today. 2016-10-06T22:29:14 < LeelooMinai> RTOS seems to take all timing parameters in system tick units anyways 2016-10-06T22:29:25 < LeelooMinai> They don't use this macro internally 2016-10-06T22:30:23 < LeelooMinai> Kind of ironic that it's suposed to be RTOS and there are problems if one tries to go under 1ms tick. 2016-10-06T22:30:26 < jadew> this is the kind of crap that would piss me off into making my own everything from scratch 2016-10-06T22:31:22 < LeelooMinai> Right, well, that's not sane though. Before one would figure out and debug/test all the thread switching tricks, etc. cows would come home... 2016-10-06T22:31:47 < jadew> that's like... one day 2016-10-06T22:31:52 < jadew> they come home at the end of the day 2016-10-06T22:31:55 < jadew> :) 2016-10-06T22:32:15 < LeelooMinai> lol, I thought you could write it in one day and I though "damn, he is good":p 2016-10-06T22:32:42 < jadew> well, you can probably do it in one day if the documentation is clear and easy to find 2016-10-06T22:33:06 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-06T22:33:30 < LeelooMinai> Right, well, I don't think RTOSes like Chibios, etc. were written in one day... 2016-10-06T22:33:36 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T22:34:19 < jadew> I haven't used a RTOS yet 2016-10-06T22:34:54 < jadew> and I even did a project that ran actual modules and used external media 2016-10-06T22:35:39 < jadew> do you have concurrent programs running? 2016-10-06T22:35:41 < LeelooMinai> Not sure if not using RTOS with non-trivial project is that a good idea. 2016-10-06T22:35:55 < jadew> it worked great for me 2016-10-06T22:36:11 < jadew> and I had absolute control over everything 2016-10-06T22:36:18 < jadew> that includes silly timers :) 2016-10-06T22:36:49 < LeelooMinai> It's not about programs - it's about separation of task/threads. I doubt there's many non-trivial micro programs that do just one task... 2016-10-06T22:37:38 < jadew> if I'd need threads, I'd probably consider it too 2016-10-06T22:38:08 < jadew> but there'd still be the posibility of pissing me off to the point of writing my own 2016-10-06T22:38:54 < LeelooMinai> And you want the facilities that come with RTOSes - all the synchronization, sempahores, mutexes, blocking, queues, etc. - usng properly tested functionality like this makes your code more elegant and less likely to have bugs. 2016-10-06T22:39:37 < jadew> well, all the mutex stuff comes into play when you have threads 2016-10-06T22:39:40 < LeelooMinai> Otherwise you will end up either re-implementing it, or kludging weird solutions every time. 2016-10-06T22:39:45 < jadew> so... one day for threads, a couple of hours for mutexes 2016-10-06T22:39:46 < jadew> and you're done 2016-10-06T22:39:58 < jadew> ARM has instructions specifically for the task 2016-10-06T22:40:01 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@50-251-197-179-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-06T22:40:37 < LeelooMinai> Maybe, but there's tons of other stuff. If you look at the code it's not something you can do even within week. 2016-10-06T22:41:03 < jadew> yeah, but the difference between something like that and what you'd write, is that you would write for your own needs 2016-10-06T22:41:22 < jadew> that stuff has to fit everyone's needs 2016-10-06T22:41:55 < LeelooMinai> Well, it's not that a big code base. Most of the stuff you will want to use at one time or another. It's still pretty lightweight. 2016-10-06T22:42:26 < LeelooMinai> Chibios claims it can switch task on 160mHz ARM in 400ns:) 2016-10-06T22:42:32 < LeelooMinai> MHz* 2016-10-06T22:43:13 < jadew> they don't have to do much, you know that right? 2016-10-06T22:43:23 < LeelooMinai> And separating things into threads almost for any non-trivial program is a huge benefit in terms of clarity and bug-proof code. 2016-10-06T22:43:30 < jadew> most of it is done by the ARM core 2016-10-06T22:44:01 < LeelooMinai> I know what they have to do. Still, Chibios is probably one of the fastest RTOSes. 2016-10-06T22:44:03 < jadew> LeelooMinai, eh, that's debateble :) threading comes with its own issues 2016-10-06T22:44:09 < jadew> you can do it wrong too 2016-10-06T22:44:33 < LeelooMinai> Sure, but non-RTOS methods will probably be far more dubious. 2016-10-06T22:44:46 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-06T22:45:29 < jadew> so... I got a new SSD 2016-10-06T22:45:33 < jadew> Kingston 2016-10-06T22:45:41 < LeelooMinai> I am just saying, that I would rather not be an idiot in the "I write everything in asm" sense, if reality is what it is. 2016-10-06T22:46:01 < jadew> yeah, depends on the project 2016-10-06T22:46:34 < jadew> but I'm the kind that if the project is not trivial and I know that it will need a bunch of weird stuff, I'll start looking at the DIY option much closer 2016-10-06T22:46:41 < LeelooMinai> The thing is that it's better to have one way of doing things. If project is tiny, you can still use RTOS and it will be fine, buit it does not work the other way. 2016-10-06T22:47:09 < jadew> because in my experience, using stuff that you didn't pay for results in wasted time 2016-10-06T22:47:15 < jadew> most free stuff is garbage 2016-10-06T22:47:24 < LeelooMinai> Unless you want to go back to 8-micro with no stack for some reason I guess, but that will not happen with me any time soon:) 2016-10-06T22:48:04 < jadew> yeah, I'd only consider RTOS for medium projects 2016-10-06T22:48:13 < jadew> what's below that is fun to do in bare metal 2016-10-06T22:48:21 < jadew> what's above... maybe there's a better way 2016-10-06T22:49:02 < jadew> and reinventing the wheel is not such a bad thing, especially when it's an opensource wheel 2016-10-06T22:49:34 < LeelooMinai> I don't feel much difference between using RTOS and "bare metal"... To me it's still bare metal - all you have is task switching. 2016-10-06T22:49:53 < LeelooMinai> It's not like it separates you from hardware with some abstract apis. 2016-10-06T22:50:11 < jadew> well, I haven't used it, so I might imagine there's more to it than there really is, but you're kind of making my point for me with that issue you had 2016-10-06T22:50:12 < LeelooMinai> That's more HAL area. 2016-10-06T22:50:24 < jadew> it's something you have to waste your time to first understand and then fix 2016-10-06T22:51:02 < jadew> when you could have done it your way to begin with and when you need some weird change you only have to think about it for a split second and the next minute you're working on it 2016-10-06T22:51:09 < jadew> this pays off on a big project 2016-10-06T22:51:12 < LeelooMinai> Yes, maybe you think it's some kind of heavy code that abstracts the whole micro + peripherals. But not really. Chibios can do that, but it's separate and you don't have to uise the HAL layer. 2016-10-06T22:51:35 < LeelooMinai> FreeRTOS does not have any HAL I think. 2016-10-06T22:52:10 < jadew> could be, I'll have to give it a try before I can say anything specifically about it, right now I'm just stating my general stance regarding the various tools available 2016-10-06T22:52:15 < LeelooMinai> It has just functionality to help you communicate between threads and IRQs. 2016-10-06T22:52:34 < jadew> for example, I don't use any of the HAL stuff that's provided by st 2016-10-06T22:53:06 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I see, then there aren't that many ways in which it can fail 2016-10-06T22:53:58 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I use ST-stuff, even CubeMX, at least now - I don't think I would like to recode everything they have... 2016-10-06T22:54:17 < jadew> LeelooMinai, it's easier than using that stuff 2016-10-06T22:54:22 < Rickta59> what do you use jadew 2016-10-06T22:54:34 < jadew> Rickta59, I wrote my own stuff 2016-10-06T22:54:44 < jadew> and when I need something new, I just add to it 2016-10-06T22:54:52 < Rickta59> do you use any of the headers? or you have your own defines and structs? 2016-10-06T22:55:21 < jadew> my own stuff 2016-10-06T22:55:22 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-06T22:55:24 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I don't know... I would probably keep asking myself all the time "why am I writing it.... Is it sane?... Wait, it's already written? Do I really want to write it again?" :) 2016-10-06T22:55:50 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T22:55:55 < Rickta59> if you spend more time debugging their stuff than writing your own i can't see what vendor supplied libs buy you 2016-10-06T22:56:30 < Rickta59> if they have a 10 year history and they fixed it all alone .. yeah fine 2016-10-06T22:56:34 < Rickta59> along 2016-10-06T22:56:34 < LeelooMinai> Main reason for me is that thay have coded non-obvious details into there, that I may miss fro reading docs. 2016-10-06T22:56:49 < jadew> LeelooMinai, here's the thing, the first time I started using their libs it felt like I was wasting time 2016-10-06T22:57:07 < jadew> populating silly structures and calling silly functions 2016-10-06T22:57:15 < jadew> not knowing if I do it in the right order 2016-10-06T22:57:25 < jadew> or if I populated all the right stuff 2016-10-06T22:57:35 < jadew> it's worse than following the documentation and filling in register values 2016-10-06T22:58:08 < jadew> so if it's worse, why not do just that and wrap it in some nice classes that make everything explicit and force you to write things properly? 2016-10-06T22:58:33 < Rickta59> st just paid some group to do an arduino port using their HAL code .. it seems like the people who got paid to do it were just doing the minimum to get paid 2016-10-06T22:58:43 < LeelooMinai> I do that for the level-up stuff, that is my own code for particular ICs, etc. 2016-10-06T22:59:02 < Rickta59> and it seems that the HAL coders were just doing the minimum to stay employed 2016-10-06T22:59:03 < LeelooMinai> But not sure if I want to do this for vendor peripherals. 2016-10-06T22:59:36 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I just find it easier to write with the registers directly than to use their libraries 2016-10-06T22:59:44 < jadew> and the documentation is usually better 2016-10-06T23:00:44 < LeelooMinai> My code is C++ like, have operators for setting fields, run-time assembly of static configuration, etc. Kind of looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/wXLk7vd.png 2016-10-06T23:00:59 < LeelooMinai> So I know what you are saying, but still... 2016-10-06T23:01:54 < jadew> don't know, feels like a much better approach than using substandard stuff 2016-10-06T23:02:29 < LeelooMinai> Well, it's a matter of shifting time to maintain those libs onto them too. 2016-10-06T23:02:33 < jadew> not to mention the stuff you learn 2016-10-06T23:02:42 < jadew> and the way in which you start to understand your own code 2016-10-06T23:03:25 < LeelooMinai> Well, they are not that high level that you don't know what the hardware is doing. You have to read the docs anyways and understand it. 2016-10-06T23:03:39 < jadew> yeah, but you don't know what their code is doing 2016-10-06T23:03:51 < LeelooMinai> You have source code... 2016-10-06T23:04:13 < LeelooMinai> Eclipse: F3:) 2016-10-06T23:04:22 < jadew> yeah, it's not the the same 2016-10-06T23:04:28 < LeelooMinai> I jump to the source all the time to check the details. 2016-10-06T23:04:39 < jadew> see, if you wrote it, you wouldn't 2016-10-06T23:05:07 < LeelooMinai> I don't know - maybe if those libs were complicated, but they are not really - as you wrote, just structures mostly and calls on them. 2016-10-06T23:05:08 < jadew> not to mention that even if you forgot and you had to take a guess, your guess would be likely to be correct 2016-10-06T23:05:56 < jadew> yeah, but there are ifs and cases in those calls that I don't know how they work without checking them out 2016-10-06T23:06:04 < jadew> so I can't just trutst the code to do what I think it should be doing 2016-10-06T23:06:05 < LeelooMinai> The worst one I saw was some touch sense code they had: I tried to use it, read the docs, and said to myself "lol, yes... no..." 2016-10-06T23:06:39 < LeelooMinai> But it was long time ago. 2016-10-06T23:06:47 < jadew> have you ever worked with other developers? 2016-10-06T23:07:02 < LeelooMinai> Yes, with 3: me, myself, and I:p 2016-10-06T23:07:18 < jadew> heh, well, here's a secret, most developers can't code that well 2016-10-06T23:07:28 < Rickta59> i can remember a time we had code reviews before a release 2016-10-06T23:07:31 < LeelooMinai> I worked in a software company, but they basically let me do my own stuff. 2016-10-06T23:07:45 < Rickta59> * 1980s 2016-10-06T23:07:45 < jadew> and I suspect that's the case in most fields, most people suck 2016-10-06T23:08:38 < LeelooMinai> jadew: You don't have to tell me... One day the PHP guy came to my desk, looked at my code and asked me "You use functions?"... 2016-10-06T23:08:49 < Rob235> for people using adc with stdPeriph, do you have to set the ADC_CommonInitTypedef? 2016-10-06T23:08:54 < jadew> LeelooMinai, heh 2016-10-06T23:09:35 < LeelooMinai> jadew: It took me like 1 minute to really get what he is asking... Apparently his code was copy&past all the time and inlined without any abstractions. 2016-10-06T23:09:50 < jadew> oh, lol 2016-10-06T23:10:08 < jadew> I thought he was one of those "only classes and methods" kind of guy 2016-10-06T23:10:31 < LeelooMinai> lol, no, I said PHP guy 2016-10-06T23:10:43 < jadew> you'd be surprised 2016-10-06T23:10:43 < LeelooMinai> He was looking at methods, but could not see the diff anyways 2016-10-06T23:10:54 < jadew> ah, hehe 2016-10-06T23:12:06 < jadew> there's a new breed of bad developer, those that buy into hype and are all dogmatic about them 2016-10-06T23:12:45 < LeelooMinai> I know, I once encountered some site about, forget what it was, some kind of BS methodology - it was pretty scary. 2016-10-06T23:13:06 < LeelooMinai> Looked like devised by some clueless manager. 2016-10-06T23:13:20 < BrainDamage> implying there's websites with non bs methodology 2016-10-06T23:14:15 < jadew> those are the most annoying, cuz sometimes they can fool you into thinking that they might actually know something you don't 2016-10-06T23:15:00 < LeelooMinai> I just remember it had some crazy stuff in there like "sprints" in timelines. 2016-10-06T23:15:15 < Thorn> scrum? 2016-10-06T23:15:20 < LeelooMinai> O, yes, lol.. 2016-10-06T23:15:20 < BrainDamage> scrums 2016-10-06T23:15:25 < jadew> oh, don't get me started on that shit 2016-10-06T23:15:35 < BrainDamage> and scrum of scrums 2016-10-06T23:15:37 < LeelooMinai> I mean, holy crap - I would just jump out of the window. 2016-10-06T23:16:04 < Steffanx> Poor you all. 2016-10-06T23:16:14 < Steffanx> :P 2016-10-06T23:16:20 < BrainDamage> it's all just hip shit that managers do to justify thir own existances 2016-10-06T23:16:21 < LeelooMinai> ^ SCRUM Officer:) 2016-10-06T23:17:25 < Steffanx> scrum master ;) 2016-10-06T23:17:48 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: You seem to be very knowledgable in this... :p 2016-10-06T23:17:49 < BrainDamage> generally the argument goes: x company does it, x company is successful, it's success must derive solely from the metodology, therefore, we're adopting y pattern 2016-10-06T23:18:16 < Steffanx> and i bet it actually works for many companies. 2016-10-06T23:18:21 < jadew> BrainDamage, I know for a fact that it's a stupid methodology that doesn't work 2016-10-06T23:18:28 < jadew> in fact, it hides problems 2016-10-06T23:18:56 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: a lot of things work as in it doesn't hinder workflow sufficiently to go in negative 2016-10-06T23:19:09 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-06T23:19:09 < Steffanx> -_- 2016-10-06T23:19:13 < jadew> but it does hinder workflow 2016-10-06T23:19:41 < BrainDamage> but there's also many more companies that don't have any sort of "difficulty poker" yet manage to do fine 2016-10-06T23:20:10 < jadew> what's a difficulty poker? 2016-10-06T23:20:42 < LeelooMinai> It's like strip poker, but more fifficult 2016-10-06T23:21:06 < BrainDamage> it's part of scrum bs, the edgelord asks for a task and people rate it on a dimensionless scale for difficulty, typically 1-10 using playing cards 2016-10-06T23:21:06 < Steffanx> Not enough girls at work to have some nice strip poker. 2016-10-06T23:21:40 < BrainDamage> if there's some outliers in the rating, they get called out to reason why 2016-10-06T23:22:08 < BrainDamage> one of the problems is that often even people not directly involved get to vote 2016-10-06T23:22:12 < LeelooMinai> Man, if I was working and they came up with this scrum stuff I would be gone from the company next morning - it's not for my neverves:/ 2016-10-06T23:22:30 < Steffanx> You aren't working? 2016-10-06T23:22:35 < jadew> BrainDamage, what's wrong with just talking about a task? 2016-10-06T23:22:36 < LeelooMinai> I am retired:) 2016-10-06T23:22:41 < jadew> "how do you think we should do this?" 2016-10-06T23:22:55 < Steffanx> Wut? Won the lottery and did the retirement thing? 2016-10-06T23:23:09 < Rickta59> so you must have used the 'waterfall development methodology' from the 60s 2016-10-06T23:23:24 < BrainDamage> jadew: the comparison is geneally done compa 2016-10-06T23:23:24 < jadew> Rickta59, that's thir straw man 2016-10-06T23:23:26 < BrainDamage> what he sid 2016-10-06T23:23:29 < jadew> *their 2016-10-06T23:23:44 < BrainDamage> instead of comparing the productivity before and after, with good metodology 2016-10-06T23:24:07 < Rickta59> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_software_development_philosophies ... I should do a tick card of all the ones i've been subjected to 2016-10-06T23:24:08 < BrainDamage> instead you get strawman arguments for overly complex schemes 2016-10-06T23:24:40 < jadew> I don't believe in methodologies 2016-10-06T23:24:59 < jadew> everything can be discussed 2016-10-06T23:25:00 < Rickta59> i like the extreme programming method .. i could just back seat drive and make the other guy type 2016-10-06T23:25:01 < BrainDamage> the real solution is "see what works best for you", but actually measure data to back your clims 2016-10-06T23:25:06 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-06T23:25:21 < BrainDamage> instead of some pseudophilosophical crap 2016-10-06T23:25:27 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: lol, no I did not win anything unfortunatelly - that's why I am poor now:) 2016-10-06T23:25:27 * LeelooMinai waits for dongs to come up with sometthing like "Why are you talking about SCRotUM??" 2016-10-06T23:25:30 < BrokenCog> Rickta59: that's pair programming isn't it? 2016-10-06T23:25:34 < Rickta59> yeah 2016-10-06T23:26:27 < Rickta59> * and i'm being facetious, but we did try it for grins 2016-10-06T23:26:35 < BrainDamage> ah, it's called planning poker, not difficulty poker 2016-10-06T23:27:09 < LeelooMinai> lol 2016-10-06T23:27:32 < LeelooMinai> Probably does not matter - as long as it sounds "deep" 2016-10-06T23:28:34 < Steffanx> ok LeelooMinai. I guess i wont ask for more details. I guess there is a "deeper" reason for it. 2016-10-06T23:28:39 < Rickta59> it if funny working for a venture capital funded company, you end up being a guinea pig for the other ventures they are funding 2016-10-06T23:28:46 < Rickta59> it is 2016-10-06T23:29:07 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-06T23:29:25 < LeelooMinai> The Recursive Forward-Backward Flashback-Pivoted Planning Stage With Diminishing Feedback" 2016-10-06T23:29:28 < jadew> the biggest issue I have with these methodologies is that they force the developer into a very robotic role 2016-10-06T23:29:54 < Rickta59> they want cogs, that can be replaced 2016-10-06T23:30:07 < Rickta59> melp you 2016-10-06T23:30:38 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Like they did not think about developers as machines in the first place... 2016-10-06T23:30:50 < jadew> well, that's the intention 2016-10-06T23:30:58 < jadew> the flaw in that plan is that developers are not like that 2016-10-06T23:31:07 < jadew> they're usually smarter than their managers 2016-10-06T23:31:21 < jadew> and they have to be creative and free in order to deliver good code 2016-10-06T23:31:26 < Rickta59> good companies don't want that 2016-10-06T23:31:32 < Rickta59> but big corps do 2016-10-06T23:31:44 < Rickta59> because they are already mediocre 2016-10-06T23:32:01 < LeelooMinai> They want someone easy to manage, obviously. 2016-10-06T23:32:21 < LeelooMinai> So, here, a robot:) 2016-10-06T23:32:51 < Rickta59> my feeling is once the developer team grows past 10 people .. it changes 2016-10-06T23:33:06 < Rickta59> so you can have good results in a big corp as long as it is a small team 2016-10-06T23:33:10 < Rickta59> but i' 2016-10-06T23:33:19 < Rickta59> ve worked on teams of 30 developers 2016-10-06T23:33:33 < Rickta59> that was driven by managers trying to make cogs work 2016-10-06T23:33:55 < Steffanx> :P 2016-10-06T23:34:06 < LeelooMinai> You can always add something on IRC - does not even need to make sense:p 2016-10-06T23:34:36 < Rickta59> i always liked startups until they reached a certain point .. and if they don't hit it big it is time to move one 2016-10-06T23:34:39 < Rickta59> on 2016-10-06T23:35:18 < Steffanx> Be careful what you wish for LeelooMinai. 2016-10-06T23:35:18 < Rickta59> i don't have anything more to add .. sorry to disrail the rants on HAL libs :) 2016-10-06T23:35:26 < Steffanx> Im very good at no making sense. 2016-10-06T23:35:31 < Rob235> note to self: when writing down which pins are used for which peripheral and you change things up... don't leave the old one laying around 2016-10-06T23:35:39 < LeelooMinai> Next time I should be wiser and not mention abominations like scrum - it leads to pretty depressing discussions... 2016-10-06T23:35:43 < jadew> well, I think the conclusion is clear, developers should rule all 2016-10-06T23:36:24 < jadew> and in closing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhh_GeBPOhs 2016-10-06T23:36:34 < BrainDamage> in my experience devs are rather arrogant in that they think the sw approach works with everything 2016-10-06T23:36:43 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Trump of the IT world? :) 2016-10-06T23:36:50 < jadew> LeelooMinai, hehe, yeah 2016-10-06T23:36:57 < BrainDamage> "let's disrupt the transportation industry" 2016-10-06T23:37:10 < jadew> BrainDamage, they're not arrogant, they just lack some skills 2016-10-06T23:37:40 < BrainDamage> you're arrogant if you think your methodology is superior to another you don't even know about 2016-10-06T23:37:43 < Thorn> I've been reading a book on projext management. "Never let developers decide what stakeholders should decide!" (such as languages etc. to use) 2016-10-06T23:37:56 < Steffanx> lolz 2016-10-06T23:38:09 < jadew> BrainDamage, yeah, you're right there 2016-10-06T23:38:32 < jadew> Thorn, yeah, that's a stupid one 2016-10-06T23:39:34 < jadew> you know I've been having some issues at work lately (I'm not even sure what the situation is anymore, but I'm supposed to stop working here eventually) 2016-10-06T23:40:15 < jadew> part of the problem is that a new hire is taking all these weird decisions I don't like 2016-10-06T23:40:42 < jadew> for example, for a new project (big project that will probably involve the entire company) he picked a language that only one other employee used 2016-10-06T23:40:45 < jadew> one he hired 2016-10-06T23:40:59 < Rickta59> peer or above you jadew ? 2016-10-06T23:41:10 < jadew> Rickta59, the other dev? 2016-10-06T23:41:10 < Steffanx> lol jadew, is this still going on? Hasn't this been going for over a year now? 2016-10-06T23:41:15 < Rickta59> yeah 2016-10-06T23:41:19 < jadew> BELOW ME 2016-10-06T23:41:27 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-06T23:41:32 < Rickta59> just delete his code when he isn' 2016-10-06T23:41:34 < Rickta59> t looking 2016-10-06T23:41:45 < Steffanx> jean claude is that you ( @ damme ) ? 2016-10-06T23:41:49 < BrokenCog> englishman: "we worked, and we worked, like a mare giving birth to a full grown stallion" ... okay, worth watching for that. 2016-10-06T23:41:50 < jadew> Steffanx, yeah, they've offered me some other variants, but somehow the discussion remained suspended 2016-10-06T23:41:51 < Rickta59> or stick in a binary character 2016-10-06T23:41:58 < Rickta59> so it won't compile 2016-10-06T23:42:02 < BrainDamage> ohsix: uber to my knowledge is borderline slavery pushing all the cost on the drivers, also, questionably illegal ( and actually illegal in my country ) - not exactly your role model 2016-10-06T23:42:12 < Steffanx> i guess they went into "he no longer mentions it, so i guess its ok"-mode jadew 2016-10-06T23:42:17 < Rickta59> what language jadew ? 2016-10-06T23:42:51 < jadew> Rickta59, they picked js, (the node js platform) when most of our developers are PHP devs 2016-10-06T23:42:55 < Rickta59> heh 2016-10-06T23:43:27 < BrainDamage> silicon valley VC also have access to gigantic capitals for funding, that's a great help 2016-10-06T23:43:45 < Rickta59> at least it wasn't erlang 2016-10-06T23:43:48 < BrainDamage> there's also selection bias, you never hear about the thousand VC that do try and fail 2016-10-06T23:44:27 < BrainDamage> i'm ok with the try, maybe it can be indeed favourable, it's the approach that they have that i'm more annoyed about 2016-10-06T23:44:39 < BrokenCog> englishman: these uncle bob vids are not free?? 2016-10-06T23:44:45 < jadew> Steffanx, yeah, it's something of the sort, it's like I have to bring it up every once in a while 2016-10-06T23:45:08 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-06T23:45:17 < jadew> I'm currently working a project (which I didn't want) and I'm planning to bring it up again when it's done 2016-10-06T23:46:22 < BrainDamage> scrum is like mandatory 15 min daily meeting 2016-10-06T23:46:38 < BrainDamage> per se it's not bad 2016-10-06T23:46:48 < jadew> and stupid buzz words and extreme tracking of dev activity 2016-10-06T23:47:05 < BrainDamage> but some of the extra "tools" such as the planning pocker are just gimmicks 2016-10-06T23:47:35 < BrainDamage> pair programming? 2016-10-06T23:47:51 < Rickta59> do you have to stand during the meeting .. that was how we did it 2016-10-06T23:47:57 < Rickta59> @ BrainDamage 2016-10-06T23:48:13 < jadew> lol 2016-10-06T23:48:20 < LeelooMinai> ... 2016-10-06T23:48:21 < jadew> haha 2016-10-06T23:48:37 < BrainDamage> yes, it's the stupid rules like that that makes it feel like a clown show 2016-10-06T23:48:50 < LeelooMinai> And every 5 minutes everyone had to do a "jumping jack" 2016-10-06T23:49:39 < jadew> ohsix, but then the manager wouldn't know EVERYTHING about what you're doing 2016-10-06T23:49:54 < Rickta59> i've managed project teams .. you know who is going to let you down and who is going to deliver .. meeting every day was a waste of time except for your mariginal contributors 2016-10-06T23:50:31 < Rickta59> more important is a real project plan 2016-10-06T23:50:46 < Rickta59> not one with arbitrary dates 2016-10-06T23:50:47 < Rob235> englishman: are those vids good? 2016-10-06T23:51:02 < jadew> Rickta59, I agree 2016-10-06T23:51:08 < BrainDamage> thank god the scrum shit was just a collaboration that tanked pretty fast 2016-10-06T23:51:18 < Rob235> haha oh ok, I started downloading them... ::clicks cancel:: 2016-10-06T23:51:28 < karlp> scrum works _realllly_ well for _some_ teams and _some_ workloads. 2016-10-06T23:51:34 < karlp> total waste of time for the rest. 2016-10-06T23:51:41 < BrainDamage> exactly karlp 2016-10-06T23:52:03 < BrainDamage> which is my point,don't assume the solution is universal,try som 2016-10-06T23:52:17 < karlp> but my lecturer in my mba said I should use scrum! 2016-10-06T23:52:20 < BrainDamage> and actually take productivity metrics 2016-10-06T23:52:36 < jadew> BrainDamage, that's hard to do 2016-10-06T23:52:40 < karlp> and I got given these project golf cards for my team members to hold up and allocate "points" to tasks 2016-10-06T23:52:47 < jadew> because productivity is a loaded word in programming 2016-10-06T23:53:04 < jadew> it's hard, if not impossible to measure 2016-10-06T23:53:11 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-72-75-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-06T23:53:14 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2016-10-06T23:53:32 < jadew> I could do it 2016-10-06T23:53:36 < jadew> but a manager can't 2016-10-06T23:53:41 < BrainDamage> jadew: i know you'll need sme arbitrary definitions, but i'll take some hard metrics for how much reductive to some arbitrary qualifiers that correlate to human behaviour 2016-10-06T23:53:44 < jadew> and he's measuring me 2016-10-06T23:54:09 < BrainDamage> also generally long term measures are easier 2016-10-06T23:54:17 < BrainDamage> like amont of successful projects, etc 2016-10-06T23:54:27 < jadew> that's still not a good measure 2016-10-06T23:54:46 < jadew> because a successful project might require a ton of maintenance afterwards 2016-10-06T23:54:57 < BrainDamage> i already stated that none is, but they approximate better 2016-10-06T23:55:59 < jadew> I don't think it is 2016-10-06T23:56:32 < jadew> on the short therm, it's from project to project and situation to situation 2016-10-06T23:56:46 < jadew> on the long term it's controlled by how well rewarded you feel 2016-10-06T23:56:59 < jadew> s/therm/term 2016-10-06T23:56:59 < Thorn> manager's guide to productivity: writing unit tests = not productive. refactoring = not productive. pair programming = definitely not productive (why only one of them is writing code?). fixing bugs = why can't you write your code right the first time? 2016-10-06T23:57:58 < BrokenCog> manager's solution manual: fix software with support call centers. 2016-10-06T23:59:12 < Thorn> oh and code reviews of course 2016-10-06T23:59:55 < jadew> see, managers will decide on those things beforehand --- Day changed Fri Oct 07 2016 2016-10-07T00:00:00 < jadew> when they shouldn't 2016-10-07T00:00:07 < Rickta59> heh .. i worked once at a place so small that each of us developers (3) had to do tech support calls one day a week 2016-10-07T00:00:08 < jadew> some projects need them, other don't 2016-10-07T00:00:15 < Rickta59> we had one tech support guy 2016-10-07T00:00:17 < BrainDamage> a lot of companies are jelous of their code, no matter how insignificant,moreover, for medium to large companies before releasing anything public you'd need to check with the lawyers 2016-10-07T00:00:17 < jadew> some projects need unit tests for everything, others don't 2016-10-07T00:00:19 < BrainDamage> mostly to avoid making vulnerable the rest of th business, etc 2016-10-07T00:00:25 < jadew> a manager shouldn't take that decision tho 2016-10-07T00:01:56 < jadew> of course 2016-10-07T00:02:10 < jadew> my unit tests are usually masive 2016-10-07T00:02:34 < jadew> depends on the complexity of the component you're testing 2016-10-07T00:02:43 < jadew> but again, not everything has to be unit tested 2016-10-07T00:02:48 < BrainDamage> i feel like many people use unit testing wrong, they write the code first then the tests,this way you're only confirming your assumptions, i preer tests first, this way the tests become a spec to check against 2016-10-07T00:03:01 < BrainDamage> then again, i'm no real coder 2016-10-07T00:03:14 < jadew> BrainDamage, that's not always possible 2016-10-07T00:03:15 < Rickta59> i've not worked as a commercial firmware developer .. but from the stuff i used from vendors it appears to me that software/firmware side of things gets the interns and doesn't have much respect in the entire process 2016-10-07T00:03:25 < jadew> and usually, you do write the code first :) 2016-10-07T00:03:38 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-fbebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-07T00:03:42 < jadew> mainly because you might change how things work or what it supports along the way 2016-10-07T00:03:59 < BrainDamage> sure, i'll still change the tests first 2016-10-07T00:04:49 < jadew> I usually write the first "draft" with no testing (again, depends on what it is), then write the tests and then polish it up 2016-10-07T00:04:55 < BrainDamage> then again, the only times i work with companies atm is with collaboration projects 2016-10-07T00:06:58 < jadew> the thing is that the first "draft" is usually just code + manual testing 2016-10-07T00:07:05 < jadew> you write some code, you test 2016-10-07T00:07:07 < jadew> and repeat 2016-10-07T00:07:30 < jadew> those tests you do manually are much more relevant than what you'd think of testing at first 2016-10-07T00:08:10 < jadew> and they'll probably end up in the tests too because of that 2016-10-07T00:09:46 < aandrew> ah, freecancer update 2016-10-07T00:09:53 < aandrew> apparently the chat agent was an idoiot 2016-10-07T00:09:55 < aandrew> idiot 2016-10-07T00:10:01 < aandrew> the limit is $1500 not $100 2016-10-07T00:10:08 < aandrew> I can work iwth that 2016-10-07T00:10:20 < Rickta59> he must have been a freelancer himself 2016-10-07T00:10:22 < jadew> \o/ free beer for everyone 2016-10-07T00:13:38 < Rickta59> we did it so i could transfer knowledge of how to use Adobe Flex .. worked well 2016-10-07T00:14:19 < Rickta59> but was short lived and focused 2016-10-07T00:15:00 < Rickta59> screwing around? 2016-10-07T00:15:02 < Rickta59> goofing off 2016-10-07T00:15:25 < jadew> you just post yourself behind another dev :P 2016-10-07T00:16:21 < Rickta59> don't those freelancer jobs want you to have a web camera pointed at you while you work? 2016-10-07T00:16:46 < Thorn> that's chaturbate 2016-10-07T00:16:51 < jadew> haha 2016-10-07T00:17:06 < jadew> it's kind of the same thing, isn't it? 2016-10-07T00:17:07 < Thorn> upwork has software that takes screenshots 2016-10-07T00:17:15 < Rickta59> https://screenshotmonitor.com/blog/category/employee-monitoring/ 2016-10-07T00:17:25 < jadew> yeah, that was an idea at my job too, got killed fast 2016-10-07T00:17:46 < jadew> we don't even know who came up with it 2016-10-07T00:17:56 < Rickta59> have you ever monitored your boss? 2016-10-07T00:18:01 < Rickta59> those guys are complete wankers 2016-10-07T00:18:01 < BrainDamage> ohsix: i didn't say formal methods,those are indeed too complex for most things except life critical devices 2016-10-07T00:18:21 < jadew> Rickta59, in what way? 2016-10-07T00:18:26 < jadew> they watch porn? 2016-10-07T00:18:38 < Rickta59> working at small place once i was wondering where all our network bandwidth waas going ... i tracked it down to my ceo listening to online stream and porn 2016-10-07T00:18:48 < Rickta59> * this is when we had a dedicated T1 2016-10-07T00:18:58 < Rickta59> i just firewalled his machine 2016-10-07T00:19:01 < jadew> hehe, well, why do you think I wouldn't want screenshots taken of my PC? 2016-10-07T00:19:02 < Rickta59> for those sites 2016-10-07T00:19:04 < jadew> I watch porn too 2016-10-07T00:19:19 < Rickta59> and he never asked why the music or the porn stopped 2016-10-07T00:19:35 < jadew> Rickta59, haha 2016-10-07T00:19:42 < Rickta59> maybe he asked someone else but it never got back to me 2016-10-07T00:19:55 < kakimir> real pumps 2016-10-07T00:20:26 < jadew> wtf 2016-10-07T00:20:30 < jadew> lol 2016-10-07T00:20:33 < jadew> that's awful 2016-10-07T00:20:45 < jadew> do you work in a car? 2016-10-07T00:21:04 < Rickta59> that is for people working in call centers? 2016-10-07T00:21:41 < jadew> they wouldn't feel like children 2016-10-07T00:21:47 < jadew> they'd feel insulted 2016-10-07T00:21:48 < Rickta59> do people just roll around on their chair all day? 2016-10-07T00:21:56 < jadew> lol 2016-10-07T00:21:59 < jadew> good solution 2016-10-07T00:22:19 < BrainDamage> >Cloud-based Analytics Dashboard 2016-10-07T00:22:21 < BrainDamage> ofc 2016-10-07T00:22:22 < Rickta59> that is so f*cked 2016-10-07T00:23:07 < BrainDamage> because broadcasting literally your employer bathroom breaks to some third party company sounds like a great idea 2016-10-07T00:23:11 < Rickta59> ah .. the good old days 2016-10-07T00:23:31 < Rickta59> i guess i'll never work again 2016-10-07T00:23:47 < BrainDamage> why stopping at desk tought 2016-10-07T00:23:54 < BrainDamage> add one at the vending machine 2016-10-07T00:24:00 < BrainDamage> a toilet camera 2016-10-07T00:24:03 < Rickta59> they already have the key card to track your movements 2016-10-07T00:24:30 < jadew> would make sense at a high security facility 2016-10-07T00:25:07 < Rickta59> i used to have a monitor at one place i was working if i left to room to make sure i didn't go anyplace i wasn't allowed 2016-10-07T00:25:19 < Rickta59> monitor as in escort to go the bathroom 2016-10-07T00:25:45 < Rob235> I'm trying to wrap my head around setting up ADC to read from 2 analog pins on an stm32f4 using StdPeriph... This is what I have right now (only thing I know that needs changing is getting rid of nvic and change the nvic irq handler to dma handler, would that line in the irq handler just keep adding reading voltage (pin6) then current (pin7) to the dma buffer? 2016-10-07T00:25:47 < Rob235> http://pastebin.com/i3W9ZTrh 2016-10-07T00:25:48 < jadew> Rickta59, I guess they ran out of space so they put you next to the sensitivie stuff? :) 2016-10-07T00:26:14 < Rickta59> was a big DOD contractor so i guess there was sensitive stuff there 2016-10-07T00:27:12 < jadew> so... I installed an older version of W10 2016-10-07T00:27:19 < jadew> do I get up-to date via updates 2016-10-07T00:27:26 < jadew> or should I just reinstall? 2016-10-07T00:27:44 < Rob235> cmon, 3 of you looked, no insight into basic adc setup? 2016-10-07T00:28:09 < jadew> 4 now 2016-10-07T00:29:02 < Rob235> i just mean basic as in the setup portion 2016-10-07T00:30:27 < jadew> holly crap, my w10 activated itself 2016-10-07T00:30:40 < jadew> I didn't enter my key 2016-10-07T00:31:20 < Rob235> its linked to your microsoft account 2016-10-07T00:31:30 < jadew> I didn't sign in 2016-10-07T00:31:32 < Rob235> oh 2016-10-07T00:31:48 < Rob235> preactivated WaReZ 2016-10-07T00:32:33 < Rob235> so no thoughts on adc, alright, i'll just try and blow everything up 2016-10-07T00:32:39 < jadew> we'll see if it gets activated again after the reinstall 2016-10-07T00:32:49 < Rickta59> http://visualgdb.com/tutorials/arm/stm32/adc/ Rob235 2016-10-07T00:33:17 < Rob235> Rickta59: thanks, I came across the site, but that uses cube 2016-10-07T00:33:21 < Rob235> i'm using stdPeriph 2016-10-07T00:33:28 < Rickta59> isn't SPL dead? 2016-10-07T00:34:04 < Rickta59> and the concepts should be the same with either HAL or SPL 2016-10-07T00:34:06 < Rob235> I've been working on this project for like 18 months and its my first project not sure when cube came out but I didn't know what I was doing when I started 2016-10-07T00:35:18 < Rob235> so either way.. I'm using stdPeriph 2016-10-07T00:35:19 < Rob235> :) 2016-10-07T00:36:20 < Rickta59> are you using a discovery board? 2016-10-07T00:36:27 < Rob235> yea f407 2016-10-07T00:36:35 < Rickta59> i would look grab the software examples for that .. 2016-10-07T00:36:43 < Rickta59> compile something that is doing ADC 2016-10-07T00:36:49 < Rickta59> then you know it should work 2016-10-07T00:36:58 < Rickta59> once you understand that .. then do your own thing 2016-10-07T00:37:28 < Rob235> I feel like my adc issue isnt going to be covered, like I said, I think I have it correct, I'm just not fully sure what a couple functions really do 2016-10-07T00:37:53 < Rickta59> nobody wants to be a hardware debugger for someone elses code 2016-10-07T00:38:09 < LeelooMinai> Unless no life^2 :p 2016-10-07T00:38:38 < Rob235> I'm not asking for a hardware debugger, I'm asking if someone knows what is in my code so that I can ask a question or two 2016-10-07T00:39:01 < Rickta59> or unless they have the same setup and are trying to get the same thing working or they had just figured out that exact problem 2016-10-07T00:39:32 < Rickta59> i don't have any f4 stuff so not on my list of things to figure out 2016-10-07T00:40:42 < Rob235> like line 8, ADC_get_conversion_value() just reads the DR register, I'm wondering if I have 2 ADC channels (both on ADC1) does it just read one after the other? 2016-10-07T00:41:08 < Rob235> nope 2016-10-07T00:42:20 < Rob235> so if I'm using dma its just going to add voltage reading then current reading (on second interrupt) to the dma buffer, then repeat with each interrupt, I have it set to circular dma 2016-10-07T00:42:33 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: exit] 2016-10-07T00:42:45 < Rob235> ok I guess I"ll just try some stuff 2016-10-07T00:43:09 < Rob235> its two channels on ADC1 2016-10-07T00:43:18 < Rob235> thats what i'm not sure how works 2016-10-07T00:44:11 < Rob235> looking up adc mux should help me out though? 2016-10-07T00:44:35 < Rob235> thanks, thats all I wanted to know, something to lead me in the right direction :) 2016-10-07T00:46:05 < Rob235> yea spi is next for my sdcard read/writer, I was hoping this adc was going to be simple (well it's definitely easier) 2016-10-07T00:48:39 < Rob235> heh good point. I was just wondering if I should get the bathroom cleaned first before I continue coding, or letting it wait 2016-10-07T00:49:54 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T00:51:10 < kakimir> code more 2016-10-07T00:51:20 < kakimir> bathrooms can wait 2016-10-07T00:51:22 < Rob235> kakimir: your place must be filthy :) 2016-10-07T00:51:38 < Rickta59> but his code is clean 2016-10-07T00:51:45 < Rob235> touche 2016-10-07T00:52:14 < kakimir> this place is only temporary no need to clean! 2016-10-07T00:52:26 < kakimir> - me 5year ago 2016-10-07T01:12:16 < LeelooMinai> "yup - this room is a catastrophe, whatever happens, I am cleaning it tomorrow, no excuses" - me 1 year ago 2016-10-07T01:17:07 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T01:17:45 < Rob235> gf just got home, b-room will be clean in 10 min hah 2016-10-07T01:18:26 -!- vampirefrog [bc19ed04@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.188.25.237.4] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T01:18:32 < vampirefrog> hi dudes 2016-10-07T01:19:08 < vampirefrog> is there a reason why a STM32F103RCT6 is $2 on ebay, but $8.5 on mouser? 2016-10-07T01:19:34 < vampirefrog> even in 2500 quantity, it's still over $4 2016-10-07T01:19:52 < vampirefrog> should I get the ebay stuff? is it for realss? 2016-10-07T01:19:55 < kakimir> it's not STM? 2016-10-07T01:20:08 < vampirefrog> ah there is such a thing? counterfit stm32's? 2016-10-07T01:21:13 < vampirefrog> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MCU-ARM-IC-ST-LQFP-64-STM32F103RCT6-STM32F103RCT6TR-IC-/181963735960?hash=item2a5de24398:g:IqsAAOSwCypWngKJ 2016-10-07T01:21:26 < vampirefrog> I mean for $2 you can't go wrong, right? 2016-10-07T01:21:27 < Rickta59> there is the gd32 2016-10-07T01:21:52 < Rickta59> but i think those are actually more expensive 2016-10-07T01:22:23 < vampirefrog> I guess I'll buy from a couple of vendors 2016-10-07T01:22:43 < vampirefrog> I only need a few that work, really 2016-10-07T01:22:59 < kakimir> I don't feel too good about buing 50euros worth of comparators... 2016-10-07T01:23:05 < Rickta59> hopefully not controlling something critical 2016-10-07T01:23:11 < LeelooMinai> vampirefrog: It's worth checking futureelectronics - sometimes they sell tray ends for 10k prices 2016-10-07T01:23:18 -!- vampirefrog [bc19ed04@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.188.25.237.4] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-07T01:23:48 < Rickta59> whoosh you missed 2016-10-07T01:24:27 -!- vampirefrog [bc19ed04@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.188.25.237.4] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T01:38:15 < vampirefrog> I'm basically replacing a F103RBT6 with a F103RCT6 2016-10-07T01:38:21 < vampirefrog> they seem pin compatible 2016-10-07T01:38:27 < vampirefrog> but the C version has i2S which I'll need 2016-10-07T01:38:38 < vampirefrog> although, I think I could emulate it, but not the DMA part 2016-10-07T01:38:57 < vampirefrog> I just need to pick up a 32kHz stream 2016-10-07T01:40:27 < vampirefrog> aight, gotta run 2016-10-07T01:40:31 < vampirefrog> peace <3 2016-10-07T01:40:39 -!- vampirefrog [bc19ed04@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.188.25.237.4] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2016-10-07T01:42:16 < kakimir> my dip24 size ultra low power regulator materials cost 10EUR a piece in 20unit series 2016-10-07T01:42:23 < kakimir> 8| 2016-10-07T01:42:43 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-07T01:45:57 < kakimir> IRFHM9391TRPBF -> buy 10-20 or 100 at mouser? 2016-10-07T01:46:21 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/bHhWwGT.jpg 2016-10-07T01:46:34 < upgrdman> looks like the tip got a little burned :( 2016-10-07T01:49:10 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/196/irfhm9391pbf-937741.pdf what do you think 2016-10-07T01:50:11 < kakimir> 10 - 0.46eur 2016-10-07T01:50:21 < kakimir> 100 - 0.297eur 2016-10-07T01:54:08 < kakimir> really nice 2016-10-07T01:54:24 < Thorn> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Agilent-Keysight-34401A-6-5-Digit-Digital-Multimeter-/331985952845 ? 2016-10-07T01:55:20 < kakimir> do mouser deliver flux without extra shipping costs? 2016-10-07T01:55:31 < kakimir> overseas 2016-10-07T01:56:38 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2016-10-07T01:58:54 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T01:59:26 < upgrdman> anyone know of an rj45 whos pins fit a 0.1" grid? like solderable into a breadboard 2016-10-07T01:59:38 < upgrdman> as opposed to the common offset rows 2016-10-07T02:00:20 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T02:00:30 < upgrdman> ohsix, want to solder one to the prototype area of an fpga dev board 2016-10-07T02:01:02 < upgrdman> right now im just using a cat5 cable, cut in half, and crimped wires onto a 0.1" header 2016-10-07T02:01:05 < upgrdman> but its pretty gay 2016-10-07T02:04:04 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: oshpark, breakout board, done - few $2 2016-10-07T02:04:09 < LeelooMinai> few $* 2016-10-07T02:04:14 < upgrdman> dont wanna wait tho 2016-10-07T02:04:27 < upgrdman> maybe i just jam the offset row pins into a 0.1" grid 2016-10-07T02:04:28 < LeelooMinai> They are usually 2-3 weeks 2016-10-07T02:04:33 < upgrdman> and hot glue it in place :) 2016-10-07T02:04:39 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, time is money 2016-10-07T02:11:01 -!- ka6sox is now known as zz_ka6sox 2016-10-07T02:13:09 -!- zz_ka6sox is now known as ka6sox 2016-10-07T02:14:54 < jadew> for the record, I installed it again and it activated by itself 2016-10-07T02:15:11 < jadew> I didn't sign in or anything 2016-10-07T02:15:25 < jadew> it just recognizes this PC based on something... 2016-10-07T02:15:25 < LeelooMinai> Maybe it looks at the hardware and connects to some database? 2016-10-07T02:15:30 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-07T02:15:44 < jadew> really neat 2016-10-07T02:16:35 < aandrew> upgrdman: never seen rj45 with pinout like that 2016-10-07T02:16:40 < upgrdman> k 2016-10-07T02:17:09 < jadew> now, where was I... yes, Harry Potter 2016-10-07T02:17:47 < LeelooMinai> I remember you said ssssssssd patronus and boom. 2016-10-07T02:18:17 < jadew> haha, yeah, that's pretty much what happened 2016-10-07T02:19:46 < LeelooMinai> Now probably you don't really remember the last 24 hours only some nightmare-like flashbacks, like sitting in the emty bathtoob and crying "no interneeeet!" 2016-10-07T02:20:00 < LeelooMinai> tube* 2016-10-07T02:20:35 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T02:21:29 < LeelooMinai> Or walking door to door with a knife asking if they have internet connection. 2016-10-07T02:21:32 < jadew> I actually spent them trying to get my data out of that other SSD, I still have some VMs there with some code on them 2016-10-07T02:21:37 < jadew> I remembered about them a bit later 2016-10-07T02:21:59 < jadew> and this morning I tried the firmware update tool btw 2016-10-07T02:22:12 < LeelooMinai> And what? 2016-10-07T02:22:15 < jadew> it made the SSD disappear 2016-10-07T02:22:19 < stvn> lol 2016-10-07T02:22:26 < stvn> what a shoah 2016-10-07T02:22:31 < LeelooMinai> More magic - I blame Harry Potter again. 2016-10-07T02:22:43 < stvn> i blame tectu 2016-10-07T02:23:58 < karlp> damnit, can't find my old schematic to rip my usb footprints out of 2016-10-07T02:25:33 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-07T02:28:31 < kakimir> what kind of fuses to use in multimeter? 2016-10-07T02:28:43 < BrokenCog> fuseable ones? 2016-10-07T02:29:01 < stvn> kakimir: the original part 2016-10-07T02:29:05 < LeelooMinai> Watch latest Dave videos - he obsesses about DMM inputs and talks about fuses. 2016-10-07T02:29:09 < jadew> or better if it's a shitty meter 2016-10-07T02:29:10 < kakimir> uni-t has them 20mm x 5mm glass 2016-10-07T02:29:32 < jadew> kakimir, you need fast blowing ones 2016-10-07T02:29:33 < stvn> uni-t is for the poverty stricken 2016-10-07T02:29:35 < jadew> same rating 2016-10-07T02:29:46 < jadew> get the cermaic type tho 2016-10-07T02:29:56 < LeelooMinai> I think they use 600mA usually for lower range and 10A for higher. Proper ones use HRC fuses - the ones filled with white poweder. 2016-10-07T02:30:03 < kakimir> dave would throw it in trash bin 2016-10-07T02:30:31 < kakimir> I butt some old fuses in 2016-10-07T02:30:36 < kakimir> from 80s 2016-10-07T02:30:38 < jadew> my cheap meters use 400 mA fuses for the lower range 2016-10-07T02:30:44 < kakimir> those had like a coil 2016-10-07T02:30:52 < LeelooMinai> One surprising part from his talk was that the fuses can have lige 1-2Ω resistance... 2016-10-07T02:30:55 < karlp> stvn: what about me and my original dick smith dmm? 2016-10-07T02:30:57 < jadew> you can also use a nail 2016-10-07T02:31:05 < karlp> is that poverty stricken, or is that now retro? 2016-10-07T02:31:18 < kakimir> bigger ones have like point something 2016-10-07T02:31:27 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, I saw his video too and I was surprised about that as well 2016-10-07T02:31:39 < kakimir> bigger - 3A 5A etc. 2016-10-07T02:31:54 < stvn> karlp: haha 2016-10-07T02:32:08 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I didn't bother to measure mine, did you measure any of yours? 2016-10-07T02:32:18 < LeelooMinai> No 2016-10-07T02:32:36 < LeelooMinai> But I have uCurrent clone I made long time ago for myself 2016-10-07T02:32:42 < kakimir> there might be like 1v loss at fusing current 2016-10-07T02:32:59 < jadew> kakimir, well, that's a lot 2016-10-07T02:33:05 < kakimir> it is 2016-10-07T02:33:41 < karlp> can't actually find mine, I have a q-1421, http://resources.southportshs.eq.edu.au/home/gkaya1/physics/digital_multimeter_cat_q_1419.htm 2016-10-07T02:33:59 < karlp> the 1419 seems to have a lower amps range (200uA) but mine has a square wave output mode. 2016-10-07T02:34:34 -!- ka6sox is now known as zz_ka6sox 2016-10-07T02:34:43 < jadew> you have the every chinese dmm model? 2016-10-07T02:35:21 < karlp> yamon, I think I've had it since I was in high school 2016-10-07T02:35:33 < jadew> yeah, I had a couple of those too 2016-10-07T02:35:35 < karlp> not like I need it very often. 2016-10-07T02:35:36 < jadew> *have 2016-10-07T02:35:44 < karlp> it does it's job pretty well. 2016-10-07T02:36:04 < jadew> yeah, I actually kept track of one's accuracy for a while 2016-10-07T02:36:05 < karlp> is this 3v3? or is it "something else" ? 2016-10-07T02:36:08 < jadew> it did really good 2016-10-07T02:36:19 < jadew> what do you mean 3v3? 2016-10-07T02:36:27 < karlp> thats' about all I end up using a meter for :=) 2016-10-07T02:36:34 < jadew> ah 2016-10-07T02:36:35 < jadew> hehe 2016-10-07T02:36:39 < karlp> power good, shorts... 2016-10-07T02:37:05 < jadew> no current measurements? 2016-10-07T02:37:52 < karlp> min range on this is onl 2000uA, so can't measure really low stuff that might be interesting. 2016-10-07T02:38:05 < karlp> used to be more into low power stuff, not really working on it these days 2016-10-07T02:38:29 < jadew> 2 mA? 2016-10-07T02:38:41 < karlp> tend to want to see dynamic time logging for that anyway, not just a single live digit display 2016-10-07T02:38:53 < jadew> that's true 2016-10-07T02:39:11 < karlp> when I've done power saving stuff at work I just hook it to the scope with a shunt 2016-10-07T02:39:20 < karlp> but home only has a this china special 2016-10-07T02:39:29 < karlp> even comes in yellow :) pre fluke fascism 2016-10-07T02:39:53 < jadew> I only found them in black 2016-10-07T02:40:20 -!- zz_ka6sox is now known as ka6sox 2016-10-07T02:42:47 < stvn> dave and his tricky dicky multimeter teardown 2016-10-07T02:51:09 < stvn> fuck youtube and its dirty 2016-10-07T02:52:01 < Rob235> clean bathroom :) 2016-10-07T02:52:08 < stvn> welcome rob 2016-10-07T02:52:38 < Rob235> greetings and salutations 2016-10-07T02:52:58 < stvn> this is better than youtube https://vid.me/wDwO 2016-10-07T02:53:07 -!- BrokenCog [~BrokenCog@pdpc/supporter/active/brokencog] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-07T02:53:23 < stvn> salut tous! 2016-10-07T02:54:49 < upgrdman> anyone dicked with Intel GPA? 2016-10-07T02:55:31 < upgrdman> kinda want to find the bottleneck of graphics performance on my surfrace bro 4. cpu load is low but im pushing the intel sphinctre pro graphics kinda hard and it can't quite do 4k60 with my inefficient n00b code 2016-10-07T02:56:42 < upgrdman> ok cool 2016-10-07T02:56:49 < upgrdman> im gonna fench the fuck out of it 2016-10-07T02:56:55 < upgrdman> fence even 2016-10-07T02:57:23 < upgrdman> ya i know, exaggerating 2016-10-07T02:57:35 < upgrdman> i know where my bottleneck is, but it'd still be nice to poke some more 2016-10-07T02:59:41 < upgrdman> k 2016-10-07T02:59:42 < upgrdman> bbl 2016-10-07T02:59:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-07T02:59:59 -!- BrokenCog [~BrokenCog@pdpc/supporter/active/brokencog] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T03:00:31 < stvn> what if he never returns........... 2016-10-07T03:03:24 < LeelooMinai> Or he returns as dwgrdman............. 2016-10-07T03:07:13 < aandrew> lol 2016-10-07T03:08:14 < stvn> :} 2016-10-07T03:08:57 < stvn> i was thinking a while ago we have english-man and upgrd-man... how bout stm32-man 2016-10-07T03:12:09 < LeelooMinai> So, hmm, anyone ever used full trace port debuggin solution on ARM for some project? 2016-10-07T03:13:05 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T03:13:08 < LeelooMinai> I wonder what an experience with it would be. In theory it should be awsome, but... 2016-10-07T03:14:03 < aandrew> I can just picture stm32-man in his bright blue spandex underoos and cape made from inked TQFP STM32s 2016-10-07T03:14:46 < stvn> ^ 2016-10-07T03:19:53 < PeterM> thats not hte impression i get of stm32man 2016-10-07T03:21:05 < PeterM> the impression of stm32man is a 12 year old suburban kid with like 5 dicks somehow hanging out of his mouth somehow also yelling cuck as loud as he can - that may not be stm32man though, that might be laurenceb 2016-10-07T03:22:32 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/7cb29f64a230f54ef1eb54a271f46b1d737323d93140d5f996f7fdc90cf447f1.png 2016-10-07T03:22:38 < Laurenceb_> is all I have to say 2016-10-07T03:23:12 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T03:25:31 < PeterM> Laurenceb_, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw1cqWH4ziA 2016-10-07T03:25:43 < PeterM> its worth a listen for you 2016-10-07T03:26:36 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T03:29:15 < Laurenceb_> top kek 2016-10-07T03:29:32 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-07T03:29:40 < Laurenceb_> lame talking 2016-10-07T03:29:42 < aandrew> sw4stm32 just links to openstm32 which looks ghetto as fuck 2016-10-07T03:29:46 < Laurenceb_> only worth it for the image 2016-10-07T03:29:48 < aandrew> that and you can't download without registering 2016-10-07T03:30:44 < PeterM> the image is the scene he describes 2016-10-07T03:31:08 < LeelooMinai> I actually use that now in eclipse - It's from a company called AC6 2016-10-07T03:31:54 < LeelooMinai> I used that since CubeMX can generate project for it directly. 2016-10-07T03:32:39 < LeelooMinai> But underneath it is the same ARM toolchain as everyone uses. I think with gcc 5.2 2016-10-07T03:33:32 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-07T03:37:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T03:43:23 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T03:51:09 < stvn> パート 2016-10-07T03:52:18 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: exit] 2016-10-07T03:52:27 < dongs> 18:17 < dongs> http://www.news.com.au/travel/world-travel/asia/crt-spotted/news-story/2f9ead8b56c3b629b185693c047c27c6 attn stvn 2016-10-07T03:52:31 < dongs> whlie you were out last night 2016-10-07T04:04:57 < stvn> thanks m8 2016-10-07T04:06:25 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-07T04:08:38 < LeelooMinai> Hmm... 2016-10-07T04:09:35 < LeelooMinai> As always, cannot settle on the final setup for my project:/ 2016-10-07T04:11:04 < LeelooMinai> Tried Chibios+HAL, then CubeMX+FreeRTOS, but now I am considering maybe using just Chibios RT without HAL and doing it myself. 2016-10-07T04:11:19 < dongs> write everything in ASM 2016-10-07T04:11:25 < dongs> using __asm() gcc blocks. 2016-10-07T04:12:02 < dongs> and __declspec(naked) on functions (might need to find a true gcc-ism for that one, I think its __attribute__ something the declspec is a microsoft-compiler-thing 2016-10-07T04:12:54 < LeelooMinai> Right, no, it's not about being in that "asm everything" camp. 2016-10-07T04:13:04 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-07T04:13:17 < dongs> you could take a look at keil RTX, lol 2016-10-07T04:13:44 < LeelooMinai> And what it would give me. I like Chibios RT part. 2016-10-07T04:14:17 < LeelooMinai> I just don't like the HAL part of it, because it's targetting C. 2016-10-07T04:14:26 < dongs> yes of course 2016-10-07T04:14:33 < dongs> everyone should target python or ruby 2016-10-07T04:14:35 < dongs> fuck C 2016-10-07T04:14:42 < LeelooMinai> Whereas all my code is C++, so it will be kind of ugly mix. 2016-10-07T04:15:12 < LeelooMinai> Python, python... Why jumping to the retarded extremes:) 2016-10-07T04:15:45 < dongs> because its only slightly more retarded than C++ 2016-10-07T04:15:54 < LeelooMinai> I am only wondering how scary it will be doing the non-RT basic stuff, like starting clocks, etc. 2016-10-07T04:15:55 < dongs> but a very fine margin 2016-10-07T04:16:17 < dongs> C++ has no business in embedded 2016-10-07T04:16:19 < dongs> unless you're zyp 2016-10-07T04:17:03 < LeelooMinai> dongs: On the contrary, it has features that are great for embedded. 2016-10-07T04:17:39 < LeelooMinai> But no, you have to make everything black/white and stop there. 2016-10-07T04:19:11 < LeelooMinai> All you have to do is choose proper features and you have C with all the fails fixed. 2016-10-07T04:19:59 < LeelooMinai> Would be nice if there was something more focused, like say, what was it called... forgot now... 2016-10-07T04:20:13 < LeelooMinai> ... not D, the new one... 2016-10-07T04:20:19 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8700:4d98:a929:d942:5894:c0d9] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T04:22:16 < LeelooMinai> A, Rust 2016-10-07T04:22:29 < LeelooMinai> But not sure if it's going anywhere. 2016-10-07T04:22:48 < LeelooMinai> So not much choice:/ C or C++ basically. 2016-10-07T04:22:51 < dongs> rust is going right wehre all those trashy metoo languages are going to 2016-10-07T04:22:52 < dongs> into the toilet 2016-10-07T04:23:14 < LeelooMinai> Last time I looked at it, it was not too insane. 2016-10-07T04:25:24 < LeelooMinai> But the tooling... 2016-10-07T04:25:30 < LeelooMinai> ... what tooling 2016-10-07T04:29:17 < dongs> I wonder if I can configure several EXTI_Lines in one EXTI_INit call 2016-10-07T04:29:24 < dongs> the lines themselves seem to be a bitmask 2016-10-07T04:33:47 < ReadErr> https://twitter.com/Deathbymartymar/status/784122375424004096 2016-10-07T04:33:51 < ReadErr> just wait for it 2016-10-07T04:35:07 < dongs> wat 2016-10-07T04:35:11 < dongs> i waITED and nothing 2016-10-07T04:35:27 < ReadErr> "and your kids die too" 2016-10-07T04:35:32 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Probably. I looked briefly at their assertion macros, IS_EXTI_LINE and it only checks if some MSB bits are 0 and the value is not 0 2016-10-07T04:36:02 < LeelooMinai> So you can just have any combination of LSBs there. 2016-10-07T04:36:47 < LeelooMinai> There's another macro though, IS_GET_EXTI_LINE and it accepts only one bit. 2016-10-07T04:37:01 < LeelooMinai> So you could check where it is used to make sure. 2016-10-07T04:37:49 < LeelooMinai> Ok, my 3rd attempt, here it goes... no HAL. 2016-10-07T04:38:02 * LeelooMinai creates workspace #1337 2016-10-07T04:45:55 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8700:4d98:a929:d942:5894:c0d9] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-07T04:45:56 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, GNU ARM Embedded has first GCC 6.0-based release. Wonder if it's risky to try it... 2016-10-07T04:52:06 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8700:4d98:a929:d942:5894:c0d9] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T05:05:27 < LeelooMinai> Steve Jobs and Free - lame 2016-10-07T05:05:36 < dongs> that joke is older than steve jobs 2016-10-07T05:10:36 < stvn> suck me off 2016-10-07T05:17:28 < dongs> so I ordered yodaphone from gearbest few weeks ago 2016-10-07T05:17:35 < dongs> they sent me tracking and it arrived today 2016-10-07T05:17:41 < dongs> about a week later, they sent me another tracking 2016-10-07T05:17:47 < dongs> which also just left singapoor today 2016-10-07T05:17:50 < dongs> looking forward to what im gonna get 2016-10-07T05:18:38 < LeelooMinai> I once ordered some nice Proxxon tools and they sent it twice, and inside there was a note that the items are not returnable, so... ok 2016-10-07T05:18:52 < dongs> from gearbest? 2016-10-07T05:19:15 < LeelooMinai> No, https://www.globalindustrial.ca 2016-10-07T05:19:20 < dongs> oh, shrug 2016-10-07T05:19:35 < dongs> how the fuck is that even remote relevant to my blog then 2016-10-07T05:19:52 < LeelooMinai> Maybe they will sent it twice by mistake too... 2016-10-07T05:21:36 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T05:21:55 < jadew> I managed to screw up the new one too, luckly this was fixable lol 2016-10-07T05:23:07 < jadew> whenever I was plugging the linux HDD, that one would get to boot, instead of the SSD, even if it had higher priority so I figured it's missing the bootable flag 2016-10-07T05:23:17 < jadew> I set it with gparted 2016-10-07T05:23:29 < jadew> I think it's short for goodbye partition 2016-10-07T05:23:41 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-07T05:24:24 < jadew> because it screwed it up so bad, the windows recovery tools couldn't recover it with out 2 hours of dicking around 2016-10-07T05:24:55 < jadew> finally, when it started booting it started complaining about not finding the boot partition 2016-10-07T05:25:01 < jadew> booting into safe mode somehow fixed that 2016-10-07T05:26:44 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T05:26:45 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-chtqefnwwsuhgjtr] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2016-10-07T05:27:34 < jadew> now back to harry potter 2016-10-07T05:39:50 < jadew> what is she saying? 2016-10-07T05:41:54 < stvn> does she have an uncle with $22 billion dollars and needs $50 mate from you 2016-10-07T05:44:23 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-07T05:45:01 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: She wants to date?... I would check first if she is not into paleontology adn estimating how old stuff is... 2016-10-07T05:46:27 < dongs> oh wow 2016-10-07T05:46:29 < dongs> this yodaphone is awesome 2016-10-07T05:46:35 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T05:46:36 < dongs> i can mirror any app to the epaper screen 2016-10-07T05:46:39 < stvn> yoda what? 2016-10-07T05:46:40 < dongs> (or just entire desktop) 2016-10-07T05:46:43 < dongs> and never turn on the LCD 2016-10-07T05:47:47 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: huh, you have quite the collection of websites of places I want to buy from 2016-10-07T05:47:50 < aandrew> https://www.globalindustrial.ca/g/storage/pallet-rack/pallet-rack-cresswell/cresswell-pre-configured-pallet-rack-starter-add-on-units in particular 2016-10-07T05:48:02 < aandrew> back on topic: fucking stdperiph. 2016-10-07T05:48:20 < stvn> hi aandrew 2016-10-07T05:48:22 < stvn> nice rack 2016-10-07T05:48:28 < stvn> also why you dissin stdperiph 2016-10-07T05:49:03 < aandrew> https://www.globalindustrial.ca/g/electrical/lighting-indoor/high-bay/high-bay-light-fixtures?ref=t/EL/promo1 that too 2016-10-07T05:49:25 < dongs> uh wat 2016-10-07T05:49:27 < dongs> why is that so expensive 2016-10-07T05:49:33 < dongs> oh, its kinda big 2016-10-07T05:49:45 < aandrew> stvn: trying to port cdc example over to stm32f446 using stdperiph 1.7.1, it's being a shit 2016-10-07T05:50:00 < stvn> yeah fuck stm32 2016-10-07T05:50:04 < stvn> also nice light 2016-10-07T05:50:09 < stvn> i'd probably use that just for my desk 2016-10-07T05:51:18 < aandrew> yeah looking at maybe a pair of those for my garage workshop 2016-10-07T05:51:30 < aandrew> 2 per bay, I'm only using one bay right now 2016-10-07T05:51:36 < stvn> sounds good 2016-10-07T05:52:38 < aandrew> becuase that's a serious security problem 2016-10-07T05:52:51 < aandrew> and I wouldn't want to pay for a cell connection 2016-10-07T06:23:58 < stvn> pull dick? 2016-10-07T06:24:04 < stvn> or get suckoff 2016-10-07T06:34:58 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Xbreak-SamD-Controller/ 2016-10-07T06:35:01 < dongs> ................ 2016-10-07T06:35:02 < dongs> $250 usd wat 2016-10-07T06:35:41 < LeelooMinai> I think even in India they would not take it:) 2016-10-07T06:46:21 < stvn> sup englishman, any new dong pics 2016-10-07T06:46:50 < stvn> haha 2016-10-07T06:47:01 < stvn> takin' the cat for a stroll in the park 2016-10-07T06:47:15 -!- fenugrec [~R@142-217-36-40.telebecinternet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-07T06:48:00 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-07T06:52:12 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Cutting-Leafblower-Trimmer-Half/ 2016-10-07T06:52:15 < dongs> unique 2016-10-07T06:52:51 < stvn> englishman: did you set a trap to catch him? 2016-10-07T06:53:17 < LeelooMinai> Maybe big-ass laser... 2016-10-07T06:53:33 < LeelooMinai> Military-grade 2016-10-07T06:55:08 < ReadErr> down here a coon trap is a bucket of KFC and a white woman 2016-10-07T06:55:47 < ReadErr> because he was alone and scared you asshole 2016-10-07T06:55:57 < ReadErr> how can you just leave a small kitteh in a tree 2016-10-07T06:56:03 < ReadErr> owl will snatch him 2016-10-07T06:56:56 < jadew> freaking screwless ssd, how the hell do I open this thing? 2016-10-07T06:57:13 < LeelooMinai> Never takes cats from tree nests - they may nor survive without the bird parents 2016-10-07T06:57:16 < ReadErr> jadew: pop it 2016-10-07T06:57:25 < ReadErr> those ifixit jimmies are nice 2016-10-07T06:57:37 < ReadErr> or remove decals and look under 2016-10-07T06:58:27 < jadew> what are decals? 2016-10-07T06:58:35 < ReadErr> stickers 2016-10-07T06:58:37 < ReadErr> w/e 2016-10-07T06:58:55 < jadew> ah, can't feel any screw 2016-10-07T06:59:11 < ReadErr> is it plastic? 2016-10-07T06:59:16 < ReadErr> can you pop it at the seam 2016-10-07T06:59:28 < jadew> metal 2016-10-07T06:59:40 < ReadErr> https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Tools/Jimmy/IF145-259 2016-10-07T06:59:45 < ReadErr> these are nice to have on hand 2016-10-07T07:00:01 < jadew> oh, that looks nice 2016-10-07T07:00:05 < jadew> much better than what I have 2016-10-07T07:00:41 < ReadErr> yea, saves your hand too 2016-10-07T07:00:49 < ReadErr> too many times ive poked myself 2016-10-07T07:00:57 < ReadErr> attn dongs http://ifixit.org/blog/8448/apple-audio-adapter-teardown/ 2016-10-07T07:01:31 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8700:4d98:a929:d942:5894:c0d9] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-07T07:01:47 < ReadErr> well for starters the steel is too hard 2016-10-07T07:02:21 < jadew> plastic 2016-10-07T07:02:21 < ReadErr> never broken into a car? 2016-10-07T07:02:24 < ReadErr> slimjim 2016-10-07T07:02:40 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T07:04:30 < ReadErr> englishman: I have the films and stuff 2016-10-07T07:04:43 < ReadErr> but need to learn how to develop 2016-10-07T07:05:04 < ReadErr> or find a deal on a usb sensor 2016-10-07T07:06:04 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-07T07:06:11 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-07T07:06:46 < jadew> ok, I'm in 2016-10-07T07:07:08 < ReadErr> what was the trick 2016-10-07T07:08:00 < jadew> the corners, I had to push the jimmy between the edges while pressing down from the other side on the middle of it 2016-10-07T07:08:05 < jadew> it popped out 2016-10-07T07:09:47 < jadew> the fact that it started degrading makes me think that there could be something simple going on 2016-10-07T07:09:58 < jadew> problem is figuring out what it is 2016-10-07T07:11:27 < jadew> it has LEDs inside 2016-10-07T07:11:45 < ReadErr> oh, they could have marketed that feature 2016-10-07T07:12:32 < jadew> and it seems it has a bunch of SMPSs on board 2016-10-07T07:12:42 < ReadErr> As Hurricane Matthew Begins Its March Up Florida Coast, Power Outages Nearing 100,000 2016-10-07T07:15:45 < ReadErr> https://weather.com/tv/the-weather-channel-live/video/watch-the-weather-channel-live?pl=pl-matthew-florida-impact 2016-10-07T07:17:31 < ReadErr> looks like the eyewall is just about to make landfall 2016-10-07T07:18:14 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T07:18:58 < stvn> so is america just FLAPPIN' round in the breeze? 2016-10-07T07:19:28 < stvn> they better bolt their TO-220 78xx/79xx regulators down 2016-10-07T07:20:49 < ReadErr> beachfront property too 2016-10-07T07:21:18 < stvn> ReadErr: yeah so apples audio adapter has a dac 2016-10-07T07:21:25 < stvn> amp too obvz 2016-10-07T07:21:37 < Rob235> does the world really think America is small? I just saw something on the news comparing Belgium to the size of maryland or something, one of our smallest states 2016-10-07T07:21:43 < ReadErr> stvn: well ya 2016-10-07T07:21:46 < stvn> i looked at the lightning fagout and noticed it just had digital action 2016-10-07T07:24:10 < ReadErr> the old big ass ipod connector had a bunch of shit 2016-10-07T07:24:43 < stvn> yeah 2016-10-07T07:24:50 < stvn> i remember jackin it into my headunit mate 2016-10-07T07:24:58 < stvn> and the sony XPLOD icon would come up on the ipod 2016-10-07T07:25:17 < ReadErr> lol 2016-10-07T07:25:45 < ReadErr> I still need to solder some wires to this shitty bluetooth adapter 2016-10-07T07:25:50 < ReadErr> hardwired sucks 2016-10-07T07:26:04 < ReadErr> pandora, I resume a track 2016-10-07T07:26:13 < ReadErr> then it stops after 1 song "R U STILL LISTENING?" 2016-10-07T07:26:26 < ReadErr> and I have to waddle over and press shit 2016-10-07T07:26:53 < ReadErr> yes 2016-10-07T07:27:06 < stvn> should just get an FM transmitter mate 2016-10-07T07:27:17 < ReadErr> why 2016-10-07T07:27:20 < stvn> idk 2016-10-07T07:27:22 < LeelooMinai> Rob235: Well: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/08/17/15/3753693600000578-3745016-Because_the_Earth_is_a_sphere_it_is_impossible_to_accurately_dep-a-1_1471445541311.jpg 2016-10-07T07:27:43 < ReadErr> can androids output digital shit over the headphone jackoff? 2016-10-07T07:28:04 < stvn> it's fucken input jack friday here 2016-10-07T07:28:05 < ReadErr> or any way to get HQ audio output 2016-10-07T07:28:31 < ReadErr> ya 2016-10-07T07:28:32 < stvn> \o/ 2016-10-07T07:28:37 < ReadErr> I want to hear how bad they sound 2016-10-07T07:28:43 < ReadErr> so I can appreciate my vinyls more 2016-10-07T07:28:47 < stvn> i think 128kbps was fine for me 2016-10-07T07:29:15 < LeelooMinai> 192 is good for me 2016-10-07T07:29:34 < Rob235> I'm sure 128/192 is fine but I always get 320 2016-10-07T07:29:39 < ReadErr> I need a bluetooth thing with decent output 2016-10-07T07:29:44 < ReadErr> digital pref 2016-10-07T07:29:46 < stvn> the tradies in the factory next door sound like they're fucking each other in the a-hole 2016-10-07T07:30:12 < LeelooMinai> One cal always use FLAC and stop there... 2016-10-07T07:30:23 < ReadErr> idk, I stopped downloading music 2016-10-07T07:30:31 < ReadErr> I just stream it 2016-10-07T07:30:43 < Rob235> I barely listen to music anyway 2016-10-07T07:30:50 < ReadErr> what 2016-10-07T07:30:59 < ReadErr> ohsix: that tosh.0 lol 2016-10-07T07:32:00 < stvn> i listen to an old reel-to-reel of people getting raped on loop 2016-10-07T07:32:00 < Rob235> thats becuase they have a staff of people browsing youtube all day long 2016-10-07T07:32:05 < Rob235> not that thats a problem 2016-10-07T07:32:43 < ReadErr> 'the huh' challenge lol 2016-10-07T07:33:00 < stvn> thats brother laurence mr oh6 2016-10-07T07:33:03 < Rob235> huhuhuh 2016-10-07T07:33:21 < stvn> they're playing faggy music next door 2016-10-07T07:33:34 < stvn> so i'm going to play sickanimation 2016-10-07T07:34:55 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: What is that "huhu" think - are you an owl? :p 2016-10-07T07:35:04 < LeelooMinai> thiing* 2016-10-07T07:36:25 < LeelooMinai> The proto owl guy 2016-10-07T07:37:37 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T07:37:39 < stvn> always the fucken owls mate 2016-10-07T07:42:54 < jadew> I just got shocked through a freaking wrist band 2016-10-07T07:43:07 < jadew> not hard, but I felt the pinch 2016-10-07T07:43:25 < jadew> yep 2016-10-07T07:43:26 < stvn> watup 2016-10-07T07:43:27 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-07T07:43:37 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T07:43:39 < jadew> I had to try it again just to make sure 2016-10-07T07:44:01 < stvn> the demons of ESD 2016-10-07T07:44:18 < stvn> i blew the ass out of a chinese LED by touching it 2016-10-07T07:44:18 < jadew> it came from an external power supply I use to power HDDs 2016-10-07T07:44:35 < jadew> I wonder if I should switch to a lab one 2016-10-07T07:44:48 < jadew> I guess I should, I'm not touching that thing again 2016-10-07T07:44:54 < stvn> jadew how chinese is the power supply 2016-10-07T07:45:09 < jadew> very 2016-10-07T07:45:18 < stvn> yeah i know of the horror 2016-10-07T07:45:38 < stvn> friend blew up his 320gb HDD with one, in the days when 320gb HDDs were very expensive 2016-10-07T07:46:04 < stvn> inside the dog it had a few little to-92 transistors n shit 2016-10-07T07:46:10 < stvn> was lol/10 2016-10-07T07:46:20 < jadew> heh 2016-10-07T07:46:33 < jadew> well, I guess I now have to make a banana to HDD power plug adapter 2016-10-07T07:46:39 < stvn> sure 2016-10-07T07:47:20 < stvn> i just bought a branded HD dock which came with a decent PSU 2016-10-07T07:47:35 < stvn> was $69 with USB3 action 2016-10-07T07:48:04 < jadew> nice 2016-10-07T07:48:12 < jadew> I'll just use one from an old PSU 2016-10-07T07:48:17 < jadew> luckly, I saved them all 2016-10-07T07:49:24 < stvn> yah 2016-10-07T07:52:11 < upgrdman> TIL disney uses lipo batteries from hobbyking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ZXmGRCuts 2016-10-07T07:52:18 < upgrdman> ohsix, neat robot too ^ 2016-10-07T07:55:25 < dongs> but does it use STM32 2016-10-07T07:55:31 < stvn> :) 2016-10-07T07:58:25 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/OmvCOI0.gifv 2016-10-07T07:59:57 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T08:01:37 < ReadErr> wtf 2016-10-07T08:01:44 < ReadErr> it can only hop 19 times? 2016-10-07T08:03:12 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-07T08:03:15 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-07T08:07:08 < stvn> upgrdman: i like the fact the driver didn't slow down 2016-10-07T08:09:52 < upgrdman> :) 2016-10-07T08:09:55 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-07T08:12:38 < jadew> ok... so the draw is all over the place 2016-10-07T08:12:48 < jadew> I wonder if it's normal 2016-10-07T08:17:36 < stvn> see the damage jadew 2016-10-07T08:19:30 < stvn> just had a customer pick up a repair, dunno if the unit was more damaged than him 2016-10-07T08:28:16 < stvn> know what i'm saiyan 2016-10-07T08:28:19 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has quit [Quit: sen,] 2016-10-07T08:34:20 < dongs> omfg 2016-10-07T08:34:28 < dongs> TI MSP430 evalboards are made with eagle 2016-10-07T08:34:34 < dongs> that is the ONLY reference design data they have 2016-10-07T08:34:51 < dongs> i was wondering why the FUCK tyhey ony had "eagle" footprints/schematic symbols for download 2016-10-07T08:35:30 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:cd80:290:8f5:7874] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T08:37:55 < dongs> not only that 2016-10-07T08:37:58 < dongs> they're the BINARY versions 2016-10-07T08:38:01 < dongs> from like ancient eagle version 2016-10-07T08:38:02 < dongs> holy shit. 2016-10-07T08:38:54 < dongs> AMber Wireless? 2016-10-07T08:38:56 < dongs> who teh fuck is that 2016-10-07T08:39:11 < dongs> hah some germans 2016-10-07T08:39:17 < dongs> they're the ones who made that shit for TI 2016-10-07T08:39:26 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:cd80:290:8f5:7874] has quit [Quit: Clap on! , Clap off! 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2016-10-07T10:53:04 < upgrdman> Depressing stuff, so don't watch if you don't want to get down... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkmytk2RqX4 2016-10-07T10:54:23 < dongs> what is this garbage 2016-10-07T10:54:28 < dongs> this is not #sjw32 2016-10-07T10:54:47 < jadew> what is that video about? 2016-10-07T10:54:52 < stvn> stacks on 2016-10-07T10:54:52 < dongs> probably niggers dying 2016-10-07T10:54:56 < stvn> ^ 2016-10-07T10:54:59 < jadew> lol 2016-10-07T10:55:02 < dongs> based on thethumbnail 2016-10-07T10:55:12 < jadew> I didn't click 2016-10-07T10:55:19 < stvn> n___s already in jail too 2016-10-07T10:55:37 < upgrdman> something something natural habitat? 2016-10-07T10:55:38 < dongs> dont bother 2016-10-07T10:59:38 < dongs> yea this video is fucking garbage 2016-10-07T10:59:52 < dongs> with that faggot with a mic 2016-10-07T10:59:55 < dongs> who thinks hes a fucking pro blogger 2016-10-07T11:01:07 < jadew> is it the one with the pokemon guy? 2016-10-07T11:01:08 < upgrdman> lol http://i.imgur.com/LeBKxPL.gifv 2016-10-07T11:01:13 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:cd80:290:8f5:7874] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-07T11:01:42 < jadew> lol, what's happening there? 2016-10-07T11:02:03 < stvn> some bitch opened her legs 2016-10-07T11:02:23 < jadew> haha 2016-10-07T11:02:37 < dongs> bwahaa.a..a.a intersil.com expired their domain 2016-10-07T11:03:00 < dongs> http://www.intersil.com/content/dam/Intersil/documents/isl3/isl3280e-81e-82e-83e-84e-85e.pdf 2016-10-07T11:03:07 < dongs> i get a fucking netwrok solutions parked page 2016-10-07T11:03:22 < jadew> it's the great firewall 2016-10-07T11:03:26 < jadew> I get the PDF 2016-10-07T11:03:32 < dongs> bah 2016-10-07T11:03:46 < jadew> need it? 2016-10-07T11:03:49 < dongs> yeah kinda 2016-10-07T11:03:57 < jadew> give me a sec 2016-10-07T11:04:06 < dongs> gonna try from here 2016-10-07T11:04:19 < dongs> hm yea from usa box it works too 2016-10-07T11:04:21 < dongs> k i can figure it otu 2016-10-07T11:04:32 < jadew> don't need it anymore? 2016-10-07T11:04:37 < dongs> ya grabbed from here 2016-10-07T11:04:42 < jadew> cool 2016-10-07T11:06:00 < upgrdman> found tectu http://i.imgur.com/TM8H3c9.gifv 2016-10-07T11:06:35 < dongs> ~ kawaii ~ 2016-10-07T11:07:49 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kawpwhbgscqkcprc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T11:12:49 < stvn> tec2 2016-10-07T11:13:45 < stvn> i got the pedofile too 2016-10-07T11:13:47 < stvn> i mean the pdf 2016-10-07T11:15:04 < Thorn> >when you receive the goods, if found, please contact us, we will give you the first time. 2016-10-07T11:15:08 < Thorn> wat 2016-10-07T11:15:28 < stvn> the cryptic message 2016-10-07T11:15:41 < Thorn> >before buying please alignment models, because the models are more, the company will provide you with quality services. 2016-10-07T11:15:43 < jadew> they forgot to hit translate 2016-10-07T11:15:43 < stvn> it's definitely a calling card for anal sex 2016-10-07T11:16:14 < jadew> the last line is clear 2016-10-07T11:16:23 < jadew> please let us know which model you want 2016-10-07T11:16:58 < jadew> and possibly "because we might not have them in stock" 2016-10-07T11:17:13 -!- anton02_ [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T11:17:31 < Thorn> oh and the store is called Double righteousness company 2016-10-07T11:18:08 < jadew> the first line I don't get... 2016-10-07T11:18:34 < jadew> if you receive the goods, please contact us, it would be the first time 2016-10-07T11:18:41 < Thorn> LOL 2016-10-07T11:20:29 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-07T11:20:37 < stvn> hahahaha 2016-10-07T11:20:56 < dongs> haha 2016-10-07T11:24:13 -!- ac|work [~ardu@178.124.147.109] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T11:34:29 -!- ka6sox is now known as zz_ka6sox 2016-10-07T11:37:57 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T11:38:57 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T11:39:24 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.219] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T11:41:45 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-07T11:45:18 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2016-10-07T11:46:25 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f7758c7.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-07T11:46:48 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T11:49:37 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-07T11:50:01 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-07T12:07:07 -!- anton02_ [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-07T12:07:26 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T12:13:48 -!- DrLuke is now known as DrLuke__ 2016-10-07T12:13:50 -!- DrLuke__ is now known as DrLuke 2016-10-07T12:41:33 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kawpwhbgscqkcprc] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-07T12:41:53 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qbldndyncexswteo] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T13:06:47 -!- DrLuke [~quassel@5.2.67.171] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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2016-10-07T14:45:13 < jpa-> Ecco: which processor? 2016-10-07T14:46:34 < Ecco> Cortex-M4F 2016-10-07T14:46:36 < Ecco> STM32F412 2016-10-07T14:48:17 < dongs> something about -some shit wiht sd16 or something in it 2016-10-07T14:48:22 < dongs> if gcc 2016-10-07T14:48:26 < dongs> or a SINGLE CHECKBOX IN KEIL 2016-10-07T14:48:28 < PaulFertser> Ecco: what compiler command line? 2016-10-07T14:48:29 < dongs> [x] USE FLOATING POINT 2016-10-07T14:48:43 < Ecco> PaulFertser: -mthumb -march=armv7e-m -mfloat-abi=hard on CLANG 2016-10-07T14:48:49 < Ecco> and -mcpu=cortex-m4 -mfpu=fpv4-sp-d16 on GCC 2016-10-07T14:48:59 < Ecco> sorry 2016-10-07T14:49:08 < Ecco> -mthumb -march=armv7e-m -mfloat-abi=hard on both CLANG and GCC 2016-10-07T14:49:17 < Ecco> plus -mcpu=cortex-m4 -mfpu=fpv4-sp-d16 on GCC 2016-10-07T14:49:23 < Ecco> and plus -target thumbv7em-unknown-eabi on CLANG 2016-10-07T14:49:47 < Ecco> meh 2016-10-07T14:49:48 < Ecco> crap 2016-10-07T14:49:49 < Ecco> found it 2016-10-07T14:49:53 < Ecco> bad typo in my makefile :( 2016-10-07T14:50:00 < Ecco> It wasn't using the properf CFLAGS 2016-10-07T14:50:04 < Ecco> sorry pals, thanks though :) 2016-10-07T14:50:33 < PaulFertser> Ecco: -mthumb -march=armv7e-m -mfloat-abi=hard -mfpu=fpv4-sp-d16 <-- what my arm-none-eabi-gcc -print-multi-lib says 2016-10-07T14:50:49 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-07T14:50:51 < Ecco> ok, gread 2016-10-07T14:50:53 < Ecco> By the way 2016-10-07T14:51:01 < Ecco> any point in using -mfloat-abi=softfp? 2016-10-07T14:51:16 < karlp> not unless you'ðre trying to use someone elses binary objects 2016-10-07T14:51:20 < Ecco> makes sense 2016-10-07T14:51:21 < Ecco> ok :) 2016-10-07T14:51:42 < karlp> don't mix -march and -mcpu, one or other 2016-10-07T14:52:06 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/kVXN2pZ.gif 2016-10-07T14:53:25 < stvn> lol 2016-10-07T14:53:41 < dongs> good thing he didnt trip 2016-10-07T14:58:24 < stvn> what he should have done is just dip it in shit 2016-10-07T15:06:36 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T15:09:07 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-07T15:09:19 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kUVzsZjjo0 2016-10-07T15:11:10 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xytmihdrcnczhjtl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T15:11:40 < Laurenceb_> holy shit 2016-10-07T15:11:51 < Laurenceb_> Steven Woolfe was hit by Mike Hookem 2016-10-07T15:12:05 < Laurenceb_> nomnative determinism strikes again 2016-10-07T15:13:03 < Laurenceb_> https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/300356a9215019a2bee8a3ed5ef4eed7c06d3455/156_0_1267_760/master/1267.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=39000fd1e7274e4ae7a8f445d09de01a 2016-10-07T15:15:32 < stvn> Laurenceb_, i've got one black friend and i think he's half chinese 2016-10-07T15:22:54 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-07T15:25:54 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.219] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-07T15:27:13 < Laurenceb_> top kek http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3432531/Pictured-pick-artist-center-international-pro-rape-storm-t-shirt-shorts-door-mother-s-home-lives-basement.html 2016-10-07T15:27:47 < dongs> what you really meant to paste was http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3432531/laurenceb-spotted.html 2016-10-07T15:28:12 < dongs> amirite 2016-10-07T15:28:27 < Laurenceb_> nice hax 2016-10-07T15:28:44 < Laurenceb_> saving to c&p folder for future lulz 2016-10-07T15:37:11 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T15:38:44 < stvn> olol 2016-10-07T15:39:12 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2016-10-07T15:40:47 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T15:42:25 < stvn> Laurenceb_, http://i.imgur.com/DryYtOI.jpg 2016-10-07T15:42:52 < Laurenceb_> triggered 2016-10-07T15:43:05 < Laurenceb_> stvn is DJ technician? 2016-10-07T15:43:27 < dongs> how fuckign stoned do you have to be while chatting here every day 2016-10-07T15:43:30 < dongs> if you DIDNT know that 2016-10-07T15:44:41 < Laurenceb_> I'm very stoned 2016-10-07T15:49:08 < stvn> makes sense 2016-10-07T15:49:31 < Laurenceb_> bbl 2016-10-07T15:53:57 < stvn> bring back more drugs 2016-10-07T15:54:30 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2016-10-07T15:56:47 < Thorn> I've got a dmx512 controller and 2 rgb lights for the weekend. what to do with them 2016-10-07T16:00:23 < Thorn> I have adm485 on a breadboard somewhere. maybe try and control the lights with an stm32 2016-10-07T16:12:08 < stvn> you could sell the lights for crack 2016-10-07T16:12:48 < Thorn> what would I do with it 2016-10-07T16:14:48 < stvn> throw it at some crooks 2016-10-07T16:15:43 < stvn> what other cool stm32 stuff you got? 2016-10-07T16:20:57 < Thorn> a sauna controller 2016-10-07T16:21:07 < Thorn> in use at a local sauna for a couple years now 2016-10-07T16:21:28 < Thorn> but it's using 3 LPC1xxx and only one stm32 2016-10-07T16:23:23 < stvn> sounds sufficient 2016-10-07T16:57:30 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.1] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T17:05:02 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: for those playing along at home, this is the segment that i like to call bullshit... 'cause we're in like flynn] 2016-10-07T17:22:23 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: mwfc, filt3r, pulsar, zapb__, PaulFertser, XTL, brabo, specing, dongs, forrestv 2016-10-07T17:22:27 -!- dongs_ [~dongs@bcas.tv] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T17:22:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mwfc 2016-10-07T17:22:32 -!- Netsplit over, joins: PaulFertser 2016-10-07T17:22:34 -!- Netsplit over, joins: XTL 2016-10-07T17:22:34 -!- brabo [~brabo@81-7-19-118.anon.vpn.kommunikationsliebe.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T17:22:36 -!- Netsplit over, joins: pulsar 2016-10-07T17:22:36 -!- zapb_ [~zapb@static.61.224.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T17:22:37 -!- dongs_ is now known as dongs 2016-10-07T17:22:44 -!- brabo [~brabo@81-7-19-118.anon.vpn.kommunikationsliebe.net] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-07T17:22:44 -!- brabo [~brabo@globalshellz/owner/brabo] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T17:22:46 -!- Netsplit over, joins: specing 2016-10-07T17:22:57 -!- Netsplit over, joins: filt3r 2016-10-07T17:25:40 -!- forrestv [forrestv@unaffiliated/forrestv] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T17:26:35 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@pc-193-235-91-227.norrkoping.se] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-07T17:36:34 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-07T17:42:05 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f7758c7.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T17:55:53 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-07T17:58:21 -!- damme [~damme@h-203-16.a216.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T18:04:07 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-07T18:16:45 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xytmihdrcnczhjtl] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2016-10-07T18:32:52 < Ecco> Are there any float-only sin/cos/tan implementations? 2016-10-07T18:42:37 < dongs> yes, the one in libm 2016-10-07T18:42:59 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/wow/600281_32704382189.html neaaaaat 2016-10-07T18:44:58 < aandrew> that is kinda cool 2016-10-07T18:45:36 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/related/600281_32672804667.html hceck out the shitty chinatube video 2016-10-07T18:45:41 < dongs> to see how it makes red color 2016-10-07T18:47:53 < aandrew> heh 2016-10-07T18:48:15 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2016-10-07T18:48:27 < aandrew> it's like it's forcing the display to roll those little e-ink balls over harder 2016-10-07T18:48:33 < aandrew> RED, RED DAMN YUOU, I SAID RED! 2016-10-07T18:48:33 < dongs> yes 2016-10-07T18:48:36 < dongs> haha 2016-10-07T18:49:23 < aandrew> you geting into epaper shits? 2016-10-07T18:49:27 < dongs> nah 2016-10-07T18:49:28 < dongs> no time 2016-10-07T18:49:32 < dongs> just pal retweetintg 2016-10-07T18:49:45 < aandrew> oh btw aliexpress lets you bid up to USD$1500 until your 5 or 25 reviews, then it's unlimited 2016-10-07T18:49:49 < aandrew> ah 2016-10-07T18:50:00 < aandrew> dumb idiot in chat was telling me it was $100 2016-10-07T18:50:01 < dongs> no idea, i dont actualyl buy anything from aliexpress heh 2016-10-07T18:50:08 < dongs> oh you mean freecancer 2016-10-07T18:50:09 < dongs> rite 2016-10-07T18:50:19 < aandrew> well you're right in japland you probably just take the bus over to akhibara or whatever it's called 2016-10-07T18:50:22 < aandrew> oh yeah freecancer 2016-10-07T18:50:26 < aandrew> got all muh asians mixed up 2016-10-07T18:51:46 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Lt_Lemming 2016-10-07T18:54:37 < karlp> assholeexpress is like mouser. 2016-10-07T18:54:43 < Ecco> dongs: which libm? 2016-10-07T18:54:48 < dongs> any 2016-10-07T18:54:49 < dongs> why do you care 2016-10-07T18:54:53 < dongs> the one you link wiht 2016-10-07T18:54:55 < karlp> some pumper sends a localized link, now it's always in damn portuguese or some shit 2016-10-07T18:55:03 < dongs> yeah i hate that 2016-10-07T18:55:05 < karlp> press link to go to global, drops you to homepage, 2016-10-07T18:55:12 < karlp> "haha no product for you loser" 2016-10-07T18:56:04 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Lt_Lemming 2016-10-07T18:56:07 < Ecco> dongs: Because the libm I've seen so far implement float-sine through double-sine 2016-10-07T18:57:00 < dongs> thats cuz youre using sin() and not sinf() 2016-10-07T18:57:19 < dongs> all math.h shit has -f suffix functions for floats 2016-10-07T18:58:01 < dongs> aandrew: did you finally get to talk to that loon 2016-10-07T18:58:07 < dongs> ichristnesen87 2016-10-07T18:58:08 < dongs> or wahtever 2016-10-07T18:58:18 < dongs> the 'analog video input into arduino array by sampling adc' guy 2016-10-07T18:58:25 < aandrew> no, not gonna bid 1500 in case he accepts it :-) 2016-10-07T18:58:29 < dongs> lewl 2016-10-07T18:58:35 < dongs> he cant afford > $100 anyway 2016-10-07T18:58:52 < aandrew> I did bid on another one where he wanted a high-end 16-bit 96khz usb codec in a 35mm square 2016-10-07T18:58:58 < dongs> o yeah 2016-10-07T18:59:00 < dongs> is that same guy?! 2016-10-07T18:59:05 < aandrew> dont' know 2016-10-07T18:59:07 < dongs> ah ok 2016-10-07T18:59:09 < dongs> saws that 2016-10-07T18:59:14 < dongs> looked legit, budget too low 2016-10-07T18:59:17 < dongs> but 35x35 requirement is dumb 2016-10-07T18:59:21 < aandrew> yeah 2016-10-07T18:59:36 < dongs> its ADC, not even for audio purposes 2016-10-07T18:59:37 < aandrew> I bid saying I wnat to draw up a spec and asked if that BOM cost and size were hard requirements or guidelines 2016-10-07T18:59:42 < dongs> no idea why they'd want it small 2016-10-07T18:59:53 < aandrew> he agreed right away that a hard spec was needed so he doesn't sound insane yet 2016-10-07T18:59:54 < aandrew> we'll see 2016-10-07T19:00:05 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T19:00:08 < dongs> cool 2016-10-07T19:00:13 < dongs> keep tweting that one, it looked fairly intreresting 2016-10-07T19:01:16 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Xbreak-SamD-Controller/ 2016-10-07T19:01:19 < dongs> this is another wtf one 2016-10-07T19:01:49 < dongs> something something USB3.1 something PCI express something hotend something 6 pin PCI express power 2016-10-07T19:02:05 < aandrew> lol 2016-10-07T19:02:11 < aandrew> and a budget of up to 250usd 2016-10-07T19:02:14 < dongs> yeahg 2016-10-07T19:02:27 < dongs> atmel is fuckign dead 2016-10-07T19:02:33 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T19:02:34 < aandrew> when I see those and want to bid on it I always say that project budget is decent for a finished prodcut cost but development is gonna be more and then bid like 15k 2016-10-07T19:02:43 < dongs> the jokers who hired me to redo sam3x8 board into stm32 are STILL waiting for atmel to deliver their original order of 2k units 2016-10-07T19:02:53 < aandrew> lol 2016-10-07T19:02:54 < dongs> they keep dealying by a week every week 2016-10-07T19:03:13 < dongs> something microchip something acquisition something hard to make something or other 2016-10-07T19:04:05 < dongs> teh sam3x8 shit is not freecancer but a dickstarter-esque startup trash 2016-10-07T19:04:14 < dongs> got millions of grant money to burn 2016-10-07T19:11:52 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-07T19:18:05 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T19:28:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-72-75-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T19:32:59 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f7758c7.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-07T19:39:56 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-07T19:44:03 < Steffanx> oooh, yeaah. meeeh. 2016-10-07T19:44:11 < Steffanx> another reason to use tabs. 2016-10-07T19:45:43 < dongs> fuck tabs 2016-10-07T19:45:52 < dongs> 4 space indent 4 lyfe 2016-10-07T19:46:24 < dongs> lol this fucking MSp430 wants like 8 10uF caps around it 2016-10-07T19:46:26 < dongs> fuck that noise 2016-10-07T19:46:41 < dongs> and 2pF decoupling caps wat 2016-10-07T19:46:54 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2016-10-07T19:55:18 < dongs> other than tsunami of lava 2016-10-07T19:55:22 < karlp> depends how big they are :) 2016-10-07T19:55:24 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T19:57:01 < Steffanx> 0.9 is what we get here in dutchalnd too, due to the gas they take out the ground below me. 2016-10-07T19:58:02 < Steffanx> up to 2.4 and then all hell breaks loose 2016-10-07T20:00:20 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-07T20:00:57 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-07T20:03:28 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T20:08:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T20:14:24 < jadew> I managed to get the reminder of my data too 2016-10-07T20:14:53 < jadew> the power consumption is weird 2016-10-07T20:15:05 < jadew> when it works, it's ~200 mA, very steady 2016-10-07T20:15:19 < jadew> when it doesn't, it's > 500 mA and all over the place 2016-10-07T20:15:33 < dongs> 'data'? 2016-10-07T20:15:37 < jadew> also, I noticed that while it's doing something (copying files) I can browse it properly 2016-10-07T20:15:47 < dongs> oh, ssd shitting itself? 2016-10-07T20:15:51 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-07T20:16:08 < dongs> which one is it so i can stay away 2016-10-07T20:16:18 < jadew> Patriot Blast 2016-10-07T20:16:24 < dongs> ooh what hte fuck 2016-10-07T20:16:27 < dongs> samsung for lyfe 2016-10-07T20:16:39 < dongs> all those gamer SSDs can fuck right off 2016-10-07T20:16:46 < jadew> yeah, I searched for a decent size samsung all day yesterday 2016-10-07T20:16:57 < jadew> all I could find was a 480 Gb Kingston 2016-10-07T20:16:57 < dongs> whats wrong with 250gb 2016-10-07T20:17:06 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T20:17:11 < jadew> I fill it up too fast 2016-10-07T20:17:24 < dongs> my 250gb workdesktop is not even half filled and thats just windows + standard install shit 2016-10-07T20:17:31 < dongs> dont put shit on OS drive, put your junk elsewehre 2016-10-07T20:17:54 < jadew> well, I have some big VMs too 2016-10-07T20:18:10 < jadew> and I can't run those from a regular HDD because the performance would suffer 2016-10-07T20:18:26 < jadew> ~40 Gb each 2016-10-07T20:18:40 < jadew> + porn 2016-10-07T20:19:43 < jadew> I think it might be a firmware issue 2016-10-07T20:19:47 < dongs> samdung 950 coms in 250/500/1T 2016-10-07T20:19:57 < dongs> i wouldnt trust > 250gb to any SSD anyway 2016-10-07T20:19:59 < jadew> I think when idle it starts doing something that locks it up 2016-10-07T20:20:15 < dongs> yeah, cleaning up unused blocks 2016-10-07T20:20:22 < jadew> dongs, I know, I was looking for the 1T one, but couldn't find it anywhere 2016-10-07T20:20:30 < jadew> and couldn't wait for it to be shipped either 2016-10-07T20:20:43 < dongs> nobody in .ro can afford that shit 2016-10-07T20:20:45 < dongs> isnt it like $600 2016-10-07T20:20:48 < dongs> such waste 2016-10-07T20:21:35 < jadew> well, when you're in this position, with the broken SSD and your data locked inside, it doesn't seem like a waste 2016-10-07T20:23:43 < jadew> that's how I got the APC UPS too 2016-10-07T20:24:00 < jadew> I had an unversioned file, worked 3 days on what was inside 2016-10-07T20:24:10 < jadew> then the power went out while I was saving 2016-10-07T20:24:23 < jadew> it filled it with 0 2016-10-07T20:24:32 < Steffanx> so instead of getting a proper versioning system you get a ups? ;) 2016-10-07T20:24:42 < jadew> Steffanx, hehe 2016-10-07T20:24:53 < dongs> i keep forgetting that gvim doesnt like files > 1gb 2016-10-07T20:25:00 < dongs> if you open a >1gb file wiht it , it just makes it 0 byte slong 2016-10-07T20:25:11 < jadew> hah 2016-10-07T20:25:22 < jadew> that's a nice feature 2016-10-07T20:25:29 < dongs> yeah totally 2016-10-07T20:25:35 < dongs> i lost some dumb logs to that a few times 2016-10-07T20:25:44 < dongs> i open the shit and remember it and doooooooh 2016-10-07T20:26:05 < Steffanx> it writes on just opening it?! 2016-10-07T20:26:13 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-07T20:26:38 < jadew> you can use it instead of truncate for qualifying files 2016-10-07T20:26:43 < dongs> yes. 2016-10-07T20:27:57 < karlp> samsung 500gig evo 850 here. works great shakes 2016-10-07T20:28:05 < karlp> 250gig 840 at home. 2016-10-07T20:28:20 < jadew> I heard the 840 has some issues 2016-10-07T20:28:30 < jadew> *read 2016-10-07T20:28:46 < karlp> I read on the internet that I have cancer 2016-10-07T20:29:52 < jadew> it was on wikipedia! 2016-10-07T20:30:11 < Steffanx> is Laurenceb dead? 2016-10-07T20:30:27 < dongs> no he was just here earlier 2016-10-07T20:30:29 < dongs> pasting dumb shit 2016-10-07T20:30:40 < jadew> brb, I'll try to update the firmware 2016-10-07T20:30:44 < Steffanx> oh, he was active today. 2016-10-07T20:30:50 -!- jadew [~rcc@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 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Rob235> heh, good luck, I was about to start looking for organizers for all my bits and pieces later today 2016-10-07T21:30:40 < LeelooMinai> Rob235: In the past I used hardware boxes like those three there on the wall: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/9508966241 2016-10-07T21:30:51 < LeelooMinai> E, Thorn* 2016-10-07T21:31:12 < Rob235> ohhhhh I like those 2016-10-07T21:31:22 < LeelooMinai> But nowadays, meh, SMD ftw 2016-10-07T21:31:38 < Rob235> well for me its just parts in general 2016-10-07T21:31:53 < Rob235> smd stuff I have (resistors and caps) came in a book 2016-10-07T21:32:14 < LeelooMinai> You can get them in most hardware stores - people put screws in them and things like that. 2016-10-07T21:32:54 < Thorn> I'll need >2 of them just for resistors if I'm going to store a value per drawer 2016-10-07T21:33:08 < LeelooMinai> Rob235: I would not use those capacitor sets they sell from china. 2016-10-07T21:33:09 < Rob235> divide the drawers 2016-10-07T21:33:18 < Thorn> and I'm hoping to get a kit with many more values 2016-10-07T21:33:30 < LeelooMinai> Some drawers have dividers already - mine have 2 per drawer 2016-10-07T21:33:44 < Rob235> just take some cardboard or duct tape and make an X (or +) however you look at it, now you have 4 divides per drawer 2016-10-07T21:33:56 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T21:34:06 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@172.76.128.75] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-07T21:34:35 < Rob235> I wish I had a 3d printer, could create all kinds of cool dividers and holders for shit :) 2016-10-07T21:35:06 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-07T21:35:17 < LeelooMinai> Meh - not a good idea. 2016-10-07T21:35:27 < Rob235> what isnt 2016-10-07T21:35:46 < LeelooMinai> 3d printer for stuff like that. Too time consuming and too expensive in terms of materials. 2016-10-07T21:36:24 < Rob235> I don't mean a full storage unit, just to create the dividers or something, but I guess depending on how many drawers even that could be too much 2016-10-07T21:36:40 < LeelooMinai> Right, imo that would be silly 2016-10-07T21:37:10 < Rob235> I guess 2016-10-07T21:37:10 < Rob235> https://www.zoro.com/akro-mils-drawer-bin-cabinet-6-38-in-d-20-in-w-10164/i/G2213477/?gclid=CMbyoIaryc8CFYJkhgodhqUKsA&gclsrc=aw.ds 2016-10-07T21:37:45 < LeelooMinai> 3D printer: 1) print an obligatory Yoda head, 2) retire it to the basement so it gathers dust:) 2016-10-07T21:38:15 < LeelooMinai> That's expensive. 2016-10-07T21:38:19 < Rob235> maybe thats just you 2016-10-07T21:38:47 < LeelooMinai> No, I stopped ast step 0 :) 2016-10-07T21:40:15 < Rob235> 20" x 16" x 6.5" yea you're right that is kinda expensive 2016-10-07T21:40:30 < Rob235> I only need 1 for now though 2016-10-07T21:40:35 < Rob235> I'll look around 2016-10-07T21:41:07 < Rob235> I wouldn't mind spending $25 on that though 2016-10-07T21:42:04 < Rob235> http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/storage/bins-totes-containers/bins-with-shelving/13-shelf-steel-shelving-with-81-akro-mils-shelf-bins-1 2016-10-07T21:42:05 < Rob235> heh 2016-10-07T21:45:01 < Rob235> Thorn: http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/storage/cabinets/drawer/drawer-storage-unit-accessory-divider-48-pack-2 :P 2016-10-07T21:45:17 < BarelyCapableCog> too bad they don't make it in smaller modules ... spending 250 bucks for bins is more than I need ... the old salsa containers will have to do for a while longer. 2016-10-07T21:45:47 < Rob235> I'm looking at the $20-30 range ones, look pretty good 2016-10-07T21:45:49 < LeelooMinai> Those are for shops, to store larger items. 2016-10-07T21:46:05 < BarelyCapableCog> LeelooMinai: don't insult my garage! 2016-10-07T21:46:08 < Rob235> yea that expensive link was a joke 2016-10-07T21:47:28 < LeelooMinai> I use them for drill bits, and 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2016-10-08T00:33:46 < Steffanx> tiny 2016-10-08T00:34:50 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T00:35:19 < Rob235> hi 2016-10-08T00:35:39 < vampi-the-frog> I like how you can see the pixels if you zoom in 2016-10-08T00:35:48 < Rob235> on what!?!!? 2016-10-08T00:36:02 < Steffanx> Hello mr Rob235 2016-10-08T00:36:04 < Rob235> that sounds like a bad thing to happen 2016-10-08T00:36:11 < Steffanx> [23:26:07] http://i.imgur.com/gwtDp16.jpg 2016-10-08T00:36:20 < Rob235> whats u..... hows it going mr Steffanx 2016-10-08T00:36:37 < Steffanx> Good, time to sleep. Almost. 2016-10-08T00:36:42 < Rob235> noooo 2016-10-08T00:37:03 < Steffanx> Yes. 2016-10-08T00:37:09 < Rob235> why are all the people I like from shitty countries (by shitty I mean crappy time zone differences) 2016-10-08T00:37:25 < Steffanx> Move to europe. 2016-10-08T00:37:30 < Rob235> too cold 2016-10-08T00:37:42 < Rob235> and rainy and cloudy 2016-10-08T00:37:58 < Rob235> (thats my impression even though I've never been to any part of europe) 2016-10-08T00:38:13 < Steffanx> wut? 2016-10-08T00:38:33 < Steffanx> Which country get hit my hurricanes and tornados all the time? 2016-10-08T00:38:37 < Steffanx> *by 2016-10-08T00:38:46 < Rob235> the UK is known for being dark and rainy and dreary all the time right? 2016-10-08T00:39:02 < Rob235> I assume all of europe is like that 2016-10-08T00:39:03 < Rob235> :) 2016-10-08T00:39:09 < Steffanx> lol you. 2016-10-08T00:39:47 < Rob235> tornados only hit the midwest where no one important lives, hurricanes at least arent as bad as like haiti or phillipines or .... 2016-10-08T00:39:48 < Rob235> :) 2016-10-08T00:40:01 < Steffanx> Never seen italy, spain, portugal, greece? 2016-10-08T00:40:32 < Rob235> yea the southern tips of europe :) 2016-10-08T00:40:50 < Rob235> I'm just messing around 2016-10-08T00:41:31 < Steffanx> -_- 2016-10-08T00:41:39 < Steffanx> Troller. 2016-10-08T00:41:51 < Rob235> thats what IRC has done to me in this past year... 2016-10-08T00:42:02 < Steffanx> self-trolled? 2016-10-08T00:42:32 < Rob235> the trolling became infectious... I guess I was even self trolling earlier 2016-10-08T00:44:50 < Rob235> what do you clean a tv with? 2016-10-08T00:45:01 < Rob235> that doesn't leave horrible streaks 2016-10-08T00:45:03 < ohsix_> hammer 2016-10-08T00:45:22 -!- ohsix_ [ohsix@72.35.133.5] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 2016-10-08T00:45:24 < Rob235> windex works fine for my laptop but the tv must have some coating on it 2016-10-08T00:52:04 -!- ac|work [~ardu@178.124.147.109] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T00:56:49 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-72-75-44-37.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-08T00:59:00 < upgrdman> windex should be fine. 2016-10-08T00:59:17 < upgrdman> nothing consumer-level should be damaged by windex, other than paper/fiber shitz 2016-10-08T01:01:19 -!- Simon--_ is now known as Simon-- 2016-10-08T01:26:14 < upgrdman> any opengl / matrix math pros awake: http://pastebin.com/UBYR0n79 2016-10-08T01:27:46 < vampi-the-frog> it is not clear what you're trying to do upgrdman 2016-10-08T01:28:51 -!- Guest63613 is now known as aandrew 2016-10-08T01:29:21 < vampi-the-frog> why does your gl object have a frickin gl prefix? 2016-10-08T01:29:22 < vampi-the-frog> sigh 2016-10-08T01:29:24 < vampi-the-frog> gosh 2016-10-08T01:31:07 < upgrdman> java 2016-10-08T01:31:09 < upgrdman> oop ftw 2016-10-08T01:33:12 < upgrdman> oh, dumb mistake. those scales need to have 1, not 0, for y and z axes. 2016-10-08T01:34:26 < upgrdman> and i had the order reversed 2016-10-08T01:39:33 < Laurenceb_> argggg 2016-10-08T01:39:39 * Laurenceb_ is raging at freecad 2016-10-08T01:39:48 < Laurenceb_> this is why opensource gets a bad name 2016-10-08T01:39:52 < Laurenceb_> "fusion error" 2016-10-08T01:40:00 < Laurenceb_> how useful 2016-10-08T01:42:10 < Rob235> I'm so fucking pissed. we are trying to break our lease halfway in and they said no so I"m writing a list of everything wrong with this shitty apartment. its like a page long. I am calling on monday and fucking ripping her apart 2016-10-08T01:42:47 < Rob235> I know breaking leases is a no-no but we haven't had any problems with them and they don't do anything they are supposed to 2016-10-08T01:42:55 < Laurenceb_> what cad do people here use? 2016-10-08T01:43:12 < upgrdman> Rob235, small claims court might be an option 2016-10-08T01:43:18 * Laurenceb_ is on the lookout for a non bug ridden cad 2016-10-08T01:43:20 < LeelooMinai> I use Fusion 360 2016-10-08T01:43:23 < Laurenceb_> ok 2016-10-08T01:43:30 < upgrdman> i use ms paint 2016-10-08T01:43:31 < Laurenceb_> lul "Fusion" 2016-10-08T01:43:41 < Laurenceb_> been fighting "fusion" all evening 2016-10-08T01:44:01 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-08T01:44:21 < LeelooMinai> But it's from Autodesk... Some other fusion? 2016-10-08T01:45:08 < Rob235> you know what I just found out too? my maintenance guy was just on an episode of 60 minutes because he had some part with this woman in NY called the cannabis queen or some shit 2016-10-08T01:45:09 < LeelooMinai> 360 is ok - comes with CAM. 2016-10-08T01:45:40 < Laurenceb_> sounds good 2016-10-08T01:45:42 < upgrdman> cam == computer aided menstruation? 2016-10-08T01:45:46 < Laurenceb_> lul 2016-10-08T01:46:01 < BrainDamage> computer aided manifacturing 2016-10-08T01:46:05 < upgrdman> ah 2016-10-08T01:46:07 < LeelooMinai> Machining - it's for generating g-code for CNC basically. 2016-10-08T01:46:13 < Laurenceb_> guess I'll spend a few more hours raging 2016-10-08T01:46:26 < Laurenceb_> see if I can get any clues as to what the cause is 2016-10-08T01:52:44 < aandrew> I want to figure out how to take a bigass 3d file and take a rectangle and make it intersect the 3d model in some way. then tell 360 to crop the rectangle to the inside surface of the model and "shrink" a few percent 2016-10-08T01:53:02 < aandrew> basically I want to create a PCB shape that fits exactly within a 3d model 2016-10-08T01:53:33 < Laurenceb_> lul I have a somewhat similar issue 2016-10-08T01:53:43 < Laurenceb_> but I'm getting exactly nowhere 2016-10-08T01:53:59 < Laurenceb_> out of ideas atm, maybe I should smoke weed to generate ideas for whats wrong 2016-10-08T01:54:54 < Laurenceb_> my revolved solid is invalid in some whay 2016-10-08T01:54:57 < Laurenceb_> *way 2016-10-08T01:55:36 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Rectangle or cube? 2016-10-08T01:56:46 < LeelooMinai> I am not super-expert on Fusion (yet:p), but, one way to make a cube that encompasses some object that comes to my mind would be creating tangent planes first. 2016-10-08T01:56:56 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/1GmP7S.png 2016-10-08T01:56:59 < Laurenceb_> funtimes 2016-10-08T01:57:17 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: Holy crap - are you a masochist? :p 2016-10-08T01:57:34 < Laurenceb_> lul 2016-10-08T01:57:47 < Laurenceb_> probably 2016-10-08T01:57:57 < Laurenceb_> this is going from bad to worse 2016-10-08T01:58:07 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: Forget this thing - Fusion360 is more or less free. 2016-10-08T01:58:09 < Laurenceb_> would probably have been better in openscad 2016-10-08T01:58:11 < Laurenceb_> ok 2016-10-08T01:58:25 < Laurenceb_> lul R2COM 2016-10-08T01:58:44 -!- alan5 [~quassel@167.88.36.226] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2016-10-08T02:00:48 -!- alan5 [~quassel@167.88.36.226] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T02:01:05 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: looks very basic 2016-10-08T02:01:12 < Laurenceb_> so 0 help when it fails utterly 2016-10-08T02:01:18 < Laurenceb_> not that freecad is any better 2016-10-08T02:01:31 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Those planes are under the Construction menu. Probably those two will be useful: http://i.imgur.com/aFxFt8D.png 2016-10-08T02:01:36 < Laurenceb_> time to rage on forum 2016-10-08T02:02:38 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: Recently I designed this case in Fusion360: http://i.imgur.com/VIQILRl.png 2016-10-08T02:02:39 < Laurenceb_> forum looks dead 2016-10-08T02:02:49 < Laurenceb_> nice Leeloo 2016-10-08T02:02:54 < LeelooMinai> And this is in real life: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/29276743343 2016-10-08T02:03:00 < LeelooMinai> Similar, no? :p 2016-10-08T02:03:22 < Laurenceb_> cool 2016-10-08T02:03:32 < Laurenceb_> my CAD is rather less advanced 2016-10-08T02:03:56 < Laurenceb_> a couple of primitives before reaching first insurmountable error :D 2016-10-08T02:04:02 < LeelooMinai> Here's a playlist of some tutorials from some guy in NY: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9tn9rGywKUUGyeBWX5Alt9yzBIp84sD8 2016-10-08T02:04:21 < LeelooMinai> He is not really an expert, but he made those as he was learning and they are good for complete noobs 2016-10-08T02:05:38 < LeelooMinai> The thing with Fusion is you must be logged to their site, but you can also work offline for some time. But it's worth it, as you get a pretty cool and user friendly CAD/CAM for free. 2016-10-08T02:06:13 < Thorn> how come I don't have any IR LEDs 2016-10-08T02:06:33 < LeelooMinai> Probably because you are not a snake... 2016-10-08T02:06:34 -!- fenugrec [~Q@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T02:27:48 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-08T02:39:41 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: hm, ok 2016-10-08T02:40:06 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: rectangle; well I guess 3d object (0.062" thick) 2016-10-08T02:52:08 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: You want to create box for the pcb or the other way around...? 2016-10-08T02:52:27 < aandrew> other way around. I have a very accurate 3d model and there is an irregular shape cavity within it 2016-10-08T02:52:49 < aandrew> I want to draw a 0.062" rectangle, position it over the model where I want it to mount, and then say "clip rectange to model" or something to that effect 2016-10-08T02:53:02 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, something is weird with IRC... No one talks only you:) 2016-10-08T02:53:12 < aandrew> then hopefully I can select that new irregular shape object (0.062" thick) and say "shrink by 5%" or osmething 2016-10-08T02:53:21 < aandrew> there is nobody else talking here 2016-10-08T02:53:36 < aandrew> Laurenceb_ and ohsix and even R2COM were talking earlier, but nobody now 2016-10-08T02:53:53 < LeelooMinai> Well, I joined ##electronics to see if anyone talks there, and there's weird silence too... 2016-10-08T02:54:32 < aandrew> yeah, last person there to talk was about 10m ago 2016-10-08T02:56:27 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Anyways, to do that you would create a sketch, select some plane on your box, then when in the sketch mode, you would press P for any edge you want to "project" onto the sketch. Then having those (you can unlink them from the model and turn into constuction if you want with 'X"), you can model your shape, then you have sketch options to shrink it regularly, etc. 2016-10-08T02:58:15 < LeelooMinai> If you don't know basic techniques, you should probably watch a video like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0bhdr84FNU 2016-10-08T02:58:28 < aandrew> yeah I was just gonna say I think I understand a few of those words 2016-10-08T02:59:13 < LeelooMinai> You really want to be comfortable with sketches - they are basically 2D drawings that you use to create 3D shapes by extrusion. 2016-10-08T03:01:34 < aandrew> interesting 2016-10-08T03:01:40 < aandrew> and thsi is in 360? 2016-10-08T03:01:54 < aandrew> I have inventor fusion too but that seems to be really meant for rough and ready 3d work 2016-10-08T03:02:03 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-08T03:02:16 < aandrew> I mean there's no way to measure distance in fusion that I could find 2016-10-08T03:02:19 < aandrew> 360 it was easy 2016-10-08T03:03:10 < LeelooMinai> There's an inspect menu and also you can use "D" to parametrically define dimensions. You can also define variables and base all dimensions on them and then it will magically change if you change them. 2016-10-08T03:03:52 < LeelooMinai> It's worth initially to watch youtube stuff - tutorials, etc. 2016-10-08T03:07:49 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T03:08:18 < aandrew> thanks LeelooMinai 2016-10-08T03:10:03 < anton02> do you use stm32 on linxu 2016-10-08T03:10:25 < aandrew> I have 2016-10-08T03:10:28 < aandrew> osx mainly though 2016-10-08T03:10:54 < anton02> what program 2016-10-08T03:11:20 < aandrew> none 2016-10-08T03:11:25 < anton02> I use st-link utility on windows 2016-10-08T03:11:26 < aandrew> I use the command line whenever possible 2016-10-08T03:11:36 < aandrew> there's stlink for linux and osx as well, or openocd 2016-10-08T03:11:57 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T03:12:34 < LeelooMinai> On WIndows I use Eclipse + ARM toolchain/plugins + Jlink EDU + Segger dgb server 2016-10-08T03:12:40 < LeelooMinai> gdb* 2016-10-08T03:13:14 < anton02> stlink had to be reverse engineered to work on non windows systems 2016-10-08T03:15:19 < aandrew> which is why I love blowing it away with jlink firmware :-) 2016-10-08T03:15:26 < aandrew> one proprietary solution to another 2016-10-08T03:21:38 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-08T03:24:58 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T03:26:12 -!- BrokenCog [~BrokenCog@pdpc/supporter/active/brokencog] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-08T03:26:12 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T03:26:20 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T03:26:21 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-08T03:26:33 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ is now known as Mr_Sheesh 2016-10-08T03:27:36 -!- kuldeep__ [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T03:27:54 -!- kuldeep__ is now known as kuldeep 2016-10-08T03:30:30 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T03:30:30 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-08T03:30:43 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ is now known as Mr_Sheesh 2016-10-08T03:31:32 -!- kuldeep_ [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-08T03:48:33 -!- gjm [~gjm@arturcieslak.pl] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-08T03:48:33 -!- gjm [~gjm@unaffiliated/gjm] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T03:58:46 < LeelooMinai> lol, my new plan, bare metal so far: http://i.imgur.com/JivG8f7.png 2016-10-08T03:59:03 < LeelooMinai> 300 bytes :) 2016-10-08T03:59:47 < LeelooMinai> I will try add FreeRTOS to that and go from there. What can go wrong... 2016-10-08T04:01:12 < LeelooMinai> Almost went with Chibios again, but just couldn't give up all those sweet NXP Eclipse FreeRTOS plugins and Segger thread-aware stack. 2016-10-08T04:02:39 < LeelooMinai> Bugger ST HAL though, etc. - I will do this in C++ on "as needed" basis. Dealing with vendor code made me depressed. 2016-10-08T04:04:18 < LeelooMinai> O, I think I figured out why IRC is dead today... It's friday, so probably people are getting "wasted", etc. as they usually do. 2016-10-08T04:04:30 < aandrew> also the long weekend for thanksgiving 2016-10-08T04:04:40 < aandrew> I'm likely tob e here all night 2016-10-08T04:04:43 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T04:04:53 < LeelooMinai> Right, but in Europe they probably don't have that. 2016-10-08T04:05:22 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, thanksgivig though... maybe they have. 2016-10-08T04:05:22 < aandrew> well it's quite early there 2016-10-08T04:05:29 < aandrew> no thanksgiving is a north american thing 2016-10-08T04:05:47 < aandrew> they may have a "thanks for getting the fuck out" holiday though, I'm not sure 2016-10-08T04:06:15 < LeelooMinai> You see how much attention I payed to holidays when I lived in Poland. I onlu remember that Santa was giving presents on 6th and that's all. 2016-10-08T04:07:04 < aandrew> haha 2016-10-08T04:07:07 < aandrew> when were you in poland? 2016-10-08T04:07:24 < LeelooMinai> South - I am almost a highlinder:) 2016-10-08T04:07:33 < LeelooMinai> lander* 2016-10-08T04:07:53 < LeelooMinai> Could see mountains from my window. 2016-10-08T04:08:58 < LeelooMinai> A, when... I was born there and lived for first 17 years. 2016-10-08T04:09:35 < aandrew> hm, you've travelled around a fair bit 2016-10-08T04:09:57 < aandrew> I was born at the hospital in this town, moved 40m north to a very small town (5300 people), stayed there for 15 years, then moved back here 2016-10-08T04:10:10 < aandrew> the last 3 moves have all been within these tricities 2016-10-08T04:10:20 < aandrew> steadily south actually now that I think of it 2016-10-08T04:11:57 < aandrew> huh, I apparently already have an openstm32 login 2016-10-08T04:12:13 < LeelooMinai> Going to use AC6? 2016-10-08T04:12:51 < aandrew> just for this stupid freelancer gig 2016-10-08T04:13:06 < aandrew> they want me to use stdperiph and I'm tired of trying to reinvent a useful makefile for it 2016-10-08T04:13:17 < aandrew> some stuff on github but porting it forward is failing 2016-10-08T04:13:30 < aandrew> ah, I logged in about a year ago 2016-10-08T04:13:45 < LeelooMinai> Not the new HAL stuff? 2016-10-08T04:14:30 < LeelooMinai> It has advantage that you can just use CubeMX and generate the whole project for AC6. 2016-10-08T04:15:15 < aandrew> oh I have the hal all tricked out, I know how to run that 2016-10-08T04:15:20 < aandrew> they specifically want stdperiph 2016-10-08T04:15:27 < aandrew> I tried to convince them to move u 2016-10-08T04:15:29 < aandrew> up 2016-10-08T04:37:29 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-08T04:37:43 < jadew> "Your password can't contain the part of your email address that comes before the @ sign." 2016-10-08T04:37:48 < jadew> and I have a single letter e-mail 2016-10-08T04:38:41 < LeelooMinai> I guess you now have a limited alphabet... 2016-10-08T04:39:04 < jadew> makes my password more interesting 2016-10-08T04:39:54 < jadew> "Here is a summary of what you've just completed: Your password was changed" 2016-10-08T04:40:06 < jadew> almost sounds like an accomplishment 2016-10-08T04:40:11 < jadew> it's r 2016-10-08T04:40:32 < LeelooMinai> Good it's not * 2016-10-08T04:40:47 < LeelooMinai> They could use it as a wildcard 2016-10-08T04:41:01 < LeelooMinai> (I know it's not allowed:p) 2016-10-08T04:41:19 < jadew> To: a*@* 2016-10-08T04:42:00 < jadew> To: *@* Subject: You have been selected! 2016-10-08T04:43:13 < jadew> noooo... I forgot to backup my VS theme 2016-10-08T04:43:58 < LeelooMinai> That's why you buckup everything:) 2016-10-08T04:44:20 < jadew> yeah, but who has the space 2016-10-08T04:44:51 < jadew> and if this is irony, I don't know what is, I fired up VS because I wanted to improve my backup program 2016-10-08T04:44:55 < LeelooMinai> Those who did not back up everything and learned the lesson and bought the space? 2016-10-08T04:45:40 < jadew> I think I have the space, it's just that I'm one of those people that don't throw out anything 2016-10-08T04:45:49 < jadew> so I accumulate a lot of garbage 2016-10-08T04:45:54 < jadew> "just in case" 2016-10-08T04:46:34 < LeelooMinai> Right, well, when I am not sure, I usually let some files sit for a year on a disk and in that year I did not feel a need to look a them, then I delete. 2016-10-08T04:46:47 < LeelooMinai> if in that year 2016-10-08T04:46:59 < jadew> I do the same, except I end up keeping the disk 2016-10-08T04:47:04 < jadew> and the files 2016-10-08T04:47:35 < jadew> so at the end of the day, I'm still space-less 2016-10-08T04:48:19 < jadew> oh well, this is a great time to write down what I need to backup, to include it in my auto-backup thingie 2016-10-08T04:48:49 < LeelooMinai> EVERYTHING:) 2016-10-08T04:56:07 < LeelooMinai> Vim users only play ASCII games inside Vim 2016-10-08T04:57:44 < LeelooMinai> People fork/branch in projects all the time. 2016-10-08T04:57:55 < LeelooMinai> Then merge back, etc. 2016-10-08T05:02:48 < jadew> different project, different repository 2016-10-08T05:03:19 < jadew> when you're implementing features 2016-10-08T05:03:30 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T05:03:31 < jadew> or when you fix something 2016-10-08T05:04:14 < jadew> the idea is not to polute the master branch with stuff that will drag over a long period of time and may cause it not to function properly 2016-10-08T05:04:22 < jadew> you also do that when you want to try something 2016-10-08T05:04:43 < jadew> git 2016-10-08T05:05:24 < jadew> sure 2016-10-08T05:05:50 < jadew> I have two small servers 2016-10-08T05:05:52 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-08T05:06:10 < jadew> no, actual PCs 2016-10-08T05:06:19 < jadew> one is a small laptop, the other one is a mac mini 2016-10-08T05:06:38 < jadew> one is fully private, the other one faces the internet 2016-10-08T05:06:48 < jadew> I keep the git server on the fully private one 2016-10-08T05:07:53 < jadew> I have a NAS too 2016-10-08T05:08:05 < jadew> but I only use that for storage 2016-10-08T05:08:18 < jadew> don't know, didn't have the NAS when I set things up 2016-10-08T05:09:01 < jadew> I'd redo it from scratch, but that means time and money 2016-10-08T05:09:19 < jadew> why I'd redo it? 2016-10-08T05:09:39 < jadew> I'd make a better server for internal use 2016-10-08T05:09:45 < jadew> with built in raid 2016-10-08T05:09:51 < jadew> so I wouldn't need an external NAS 2016-10-08T05:10:19 < jadew> too much crap under my desk 2016-10-08T05:10:52 < jadew> well, yeah, that's why it's not wroth it 2016-10-08T05:10:58 < jadew> *worth 2016-10-08T05:11:35 < jadew> but I'd still do it again if I could, if only to make it look better 2016-10-08T05:12:25 < jadew> I don't know 2016-10-08T05:12:57 < jadew> none of them mentioned it 2016-10-08T05:13:04 < jadew> I guess they didn't 2016-10-08T05:23:09 < jadew> under my desk: http://86.127.196.34/stuff/20161008_051325.jpg 2016-10-08T05:23:25 < jadew> I wish I had a small rack instead 2016-10-08T05:23:41 < dongs> why the shit do you have a fagmini in there 2016-10-08T05:24:06 < jadew> I got it a couple of years ago to build iOS apps, but never used it for that 2016-10-08T05:24:08 < jadew> now it's a server 2016-10-08T05:24:23 < jadew> R2COM, I know, it gets like that really fast 2016-10-08T05:25:11 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-08T05:25:32 < jadew> yep 2016-10-08T05:25:41 < jadew> since it was built 2016-10-08T05:26:24 < jadew> ah, I don't like carpet 2016-10-08T05:26:28 < jadew> not in here anyway 2016-10-08T05:26:42 < jadew> collects dust and it's not as easy to clean 2016-10-08T05:27:21 < jadew> you have no idea how easy it is to vacuum in this room 2016-10-08T05:27:49 < jadew> not to mention I don't get electrostatically charged 2016-10-08T05:33:11 < jadew> have fun 2016-10-08T05:35:28 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-08T05:35:58 < jadew> I only like games that offer good pvp 2016-10-08T05:36:23 < dongs> gorillas.bas must be your favorite then 2016-10-08T05:36:31 < jadew> haha, loved it 2016-10-08T05:37:21 < jadew> and scortched earth 2016-10-08T05:38:10 < jadew> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_lG9A4sJxV8/UB6IIM5AqpI/AAAAAAAAAUQ/mPk8JQlP5EM/s1600/scorch_008.png 2016-10-08T05:39:33 < jadew> I felt happiness whenever I had the chance to play that game 2016-10-08T05:39:54 < aandrew> that type of flooring was popular EVERYWHERE 2016-10-08T05:40:01 < aandrew> we have a bunch of it in schools and such here 2016-10-08T05:40:19 < aandrew> oh man scorched earth 2016-10-08T05:40:21 < aandrew> what a fun game 2016-10-08T05:40:24 < aandrew> right up there with worms 2 2016-10-08T05:40:36 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T05:42:45 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T05:42:45 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-08T05:42:58 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ is now known as Mr_Sheesh 2016-10-08T05:43:06 < LeelooMinai> Spy vs Spy ftw:) 2016-10-08T05:43:45 < jadew> haven't played it 2016-10-08T05:44:02 < LeelooMinai> Atari/Commodore one 2016-10-08T05:44:13 < LeelooMinai> 8-bit that is - old:) 2016-10-08T05:44:31 < jadew> lol R2COM 2016-10-08T05:44:35 < jadew> you get to write ASM? 2016-10-08T05:44:46 < dongs> lol what teh fuck 2016-10-08T05:45:13 < fenugrec> who makes an ARM M0 simulator ? keil, IAR ? 2016-10-08T05:45:22 < dongs> all 2016-10-08T05:45:29 < dongs> keil has a sim 2016-10-08T05:45:35 < dongs> iar i am sure too 2016-10-08T05:46:43 < jadew> so pretty much what we're doing here? 2016-10-08T05:47:21 < aandrew> lol I can play that in jsdos online 2016-10-08T05:47:33 < aandrew> oh man spy vs spy, that game was hard as fuck 2016-10-08T05:48:05 < LeelooMinai> What do you mean hard - it's meant to be played by two people - tow joysticks 2016-10-08T05:48:15 < aandrew> R2COM: yeah that looks like a good game, guy also makes that russian asic design game 2016-10-08T05:48:25 < aandrew> if you really want a challenge, grab TIS-100 2016-10-08T05:48:29 < jadew> probably that, playing it by yourself on two joysticks has to be hard 2016-10-08T05:48:39 < aandrew> that game is much less a game and more like work 2016-10-08T05:48:48 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: it's a hard game 2016-10-08T05:48:51 < LeelooMinai> lol aandrew maybe played like that 2016-10-08T05:48:54 < aandrew> I played it a lot with my brother 2016-10-08T05:49:01 < aandrew> I still hear the music in my head 2016-10-08T05:49:18 < aandrew> mission impossible, another hard game 2016-10-08T05:49:22 < LeelooMinai> I played with a friend a lot - my poor joystics barely survived 2016-10-08T05:49:24 < aandrew> stay a while... stay forrrrevvvahh 2016-10-08T05:49:49 < aandrew> that's another one ith the background osunds that haunt me years later still 2016-10-08T05:50:30 < LeelooMinai> They had suction caps and the friend was so ferocious that when they let go the table he would fly with the joystick to the floor. 2016-10-08T05:50:40 < aandrew> haha 2016-10-08T05:50:48 < aandrew> we had the black and red joysticks 2016-10-08T05:51:05 < LeelooMinai> I had those ivory one - the nicer ones. 2016-10-08T05:51:48 < aandrew> http://www.smithore.com/_imgs/machines/c64-mule.jpg 2016-10-08T05:51:51 < aandrew> those are the ones we had 2016-10-08T05:52:03 < aandrew> I remember my homebrew power supply for the c64 2016-10-08T05:52:21 < aandrew> the adapter had crapped out so I had an 11VAC supply and the 5V (or was it 9? can't remmeber) was from a SLA battery 2016-10-08T05:52:29 < LeelooMinai> Well, I had Atari, and those were standard on those: http://picclick.ca/Quick-Shot-SVI-Model-318-102-Joystick-Atari-262579519582.html 2016-10-08T05:52:31 < aandrew> you got a couple hrs runtime and then the DC would sag too far 2016-10-08T05:52:46 < LeelooMinai> But they were not that great - had those membrane contacts there. 2016-10-08T05:52:55 < aandrew> yeah these were big fat leaf switches 2016-10-08T05:52:55 < LeelooMinai> And the one I got had microswitches I think. 2016-10-08T05:53:26 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, cannot google mine - maybe they were special:p 2016-10-08T05:54:20 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-08T05:57:19 < jadew> I couldn't find mine either 2016-10-08T05:57:31 < jadew> they were shit quality 2016-10-08T05:57:43 < jadew> always causing problems 2016-10-08T05:57:55 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T05:58:53 < LeelooMinai> When google cannot find the stuff you usef for your computer, you know you are old:/ 2016-10-08T05:59:07 < jadew> heh 2016-10-08T05:59:48 < aandrew> oh I don't know about that 2016-10-08T05:59:49 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-41-190.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T05:59:53 < aandrew> we can still pull up pics of ENIAC 2016-10-08T06:00:01 < jadew> I like this tho: http://videogamecollectors.com/albums/XYXZYZ-s-gaming-setup/CvSstick.jpg 2016-10-08T06:00:06 < upgrdman> lol https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/include/math-emu/quad.h#L29 2016-10-08T06:00:28 < jadew> would have kicked me into puberty 2 years early 2016-10-08T06:00:58 < aandrew> lol 2016-10-08T06:02:28 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-08T06:08:45 -!- fenugrec [~Q@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-08T06:19:29 < aandrew> hm 2016-10-08T06:19:38 < aandrew> how the hell do you create a linked project in eclipse? 2016-10-08T06:19:48 < upgrdman> linked? 2016-10-08T06:19:54 < aandrew> I have a project and it already shows STM32F4xx_StdPeriph_driver in there 2016-10-08T06:20:05 < aandrew> I want to add the STM32_USB driver 2016-10-08T06:20:46 < upgrdman> maybe right dick on proejct > build path > config build path > libraries tab 2016-10-08T06:20:57 < upgrdman> not sure tho 2016-10-08T06:21:15 < aandrew> don't see a build path 2016-10-08T06:21:42 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: You can use virtual folders, and links. Here's a guide (RTOS, but same principles): http://www.freertos.org/Project_Workspace_Relative_File_Paths_Eclipse.html 2016-10-08T06:22:48 < LeelooMinai> You can also add filters, etc. So effectivelly you can remap any outside workspace dirextory as you wish. 2016-10-08T06:23:47 < aandrew> hm ok 2016-10-08T06:26:17 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T06:28:17 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-41-190.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-08T06:33:11 < aandrew> ok wtf 2016-10-08T06:33:21 < aandrew> I've imported a project 2016-10-08T06:33:27 < aandrew> I added a .c/.h file to the filesystem 2016-10-08T06:33:35 < aandrew> import filesystem, select the dir 2016-10-08T06:33:43 < aandrew> it shows me all the files there EXCEPT the two I added 2016-10-08T06:34:10 < LeelooMinai> Refresh maybe from the right-menu 2016-10-08T06:34:52 < aandrew> oh there we go 2016-10-08T06:34:58 < aandrew> no I didn't copy them to the right dir :-) 2016-10-08T06:43:00 < aandrew> see this is where I start going crazy because of fucking IDEs 2016-10-08T06:43:07 < aandrew> I added an include path to the project 2016-10-08T06:43:13 < aandrew> I can see it under the project Includes/ 2016-10-08T06:43:20 < aandrew> build, it doesn't pick that change up 2016-10-08T06:43:29 < aandrew> I can see the compiler line in the console log 2016-10-08T06:43:32 < aandrew> it's missing my -I 2016-10-08T06:43:42 < LeelooMinai> Where did you add it? 2016-10-08T06:43:47 < dongs> your problem is lunix 2016-10-08T06:43:53 < aandrew> "Preprocessor include paths, macros, etc." 2016-10-08T06:44:00 < aandrew> under "CDT user setting entries" 2016-10-08T06:44:14 < LeelooMinai> Add it to path and symbols instead 2016-10-08T06:44:38 < LeelooMinai> Unless you only use preprocessor:) 2016-10-08T06:45:26 < aandrew> heh 2016-10-08T06:45:28 < aandrew> thanks 2016-10-08T06:45:33 < aandrew> makefiles are so much easier 2016-10-08T06:45:54 < LeelooMinai> You can also use just makefile 2016-10-08T06:46:21 < LeelooMinai> When I had Chibios project in Eclipse it was makefile-based 2016-10-08T06:47:02 < LeelooMinai> So I just left it like that. 2016-10-08T06:49:59 < aandrew> right 2016-10-08T06:50:08 < aandrew> but you need to have the project with a makefile already 2016-10-08T06:50:13 < LeelooMinai> Ok, sweet, have FreeRTOS + no hal running with all the plugins. 2016-10-08T06:50:14 < aandrew> then you can import it as a makefile project 2016-10-08T06:50:31 < LeelooMinai> well, yes, but you can just write makefile, so same thing. 2016-10-08T06:51:10 < LeelooMinai> I wonder if I will shoot myself because I decided to write all peripheral code. 2016-10-08T06:51:23 < LeelooMinai> If so, I will blame jadew - he said it's a great idea. 2016-10-08T07:17:18 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T07:32:09 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-08T09:57:42 < dongs> do something useful or funny 2016-10-08T09:58:50 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-08T10:00:19 < ReadErr> My favorite episode of Family Matters was when Steve locked Laura up as a joke. He stood near the vault excited at what he had done. He pressed his cheek against the metal, feeling the coolness and the tiny thumps on the door as Laura pounded for her life. Laura's screams were deep and guttural. Steve felt their vibration against his groin as he pressed 2016-10-08T10:00:19 < ReadErr> against the door. Aroused by the power of life and death, he exposed himself and masturbated as he listened to Laura's screams. His eyes glazed in ecstasy as he chewed on his lower lip and jerked vigorously to his ultimate climax. 2016-10-08T10:00:34 < ReadErr> urkcloud scripts 2016-10-08T10:00:37 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3rDFzEzgDY 2016-10-08T10:13:05 < ReadErr> testing 2016-10-08T10:13:08 < ReadErr> 2016-10-08T10:13:08 < ReadErr> 2016-10-08T10:13:09 < ReadErr> 2016-10-08T10:13:09 < ReadErr> 2016-10-08T10:13:10 < ReadErr> 2016-10-08T10:13:10 < ReadErr> 2016-10-08T10:13:11 < ReadErr> 2016-10-08T10:13:11 < ReadErr> 2016-10-08T10:13:11 < ReadErr> 2016-10-08T10:13:12 < ReadErr> 2016-10-08T10:13:12 < ReadErr> 2016-10-08T10:13:12 < ReadErr> 2016-10-08T10:13:13 < ReadErr> 2016-10-08T10:13:13 < ReadErr> 2016-10-08T10:13:14 < ReadErr> 2016-10-08T10:13:14 < ReadErr> 2016-10-08T10:13:33 < dongs> you should probably fuck off, cloner trash. 2016-10-08T10:15:12 < ReadErr> lol i dont wanna watch a dude play a game 2016-10-08T10:15:28 < ReadErr> yea, never understood that 2016-10-08T10:15:44 < dongs> autism in progress? 2016-10-08T10:15:49 < ReadErr> they never respond unless you are a PREMIUM supporter 2016-10-08T10:16:21 * stvn lights up a cigar 2016-10-08T10:16:28 < stvn> the fuck am i reading? 2016-10-08T10:16:35 < stvn> or looking at. 2016-10-08T10:16:55 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/HBXqIdO.gif i guess this 2016-10-08T10:20:57 < ReadErr> if you are a chick you can $$$$ 2016-10-08T10:22:30 < dongs> you can follow footsteps of LL and do a M2F 2016-10-08T10:22:35 < dongs> then you can also $$$ 2016-10-08T10:22:44 < stvn> lol 2016-10-08T10:23:21 < stvn> never a dull moment here i am spending saturday evening in front of IRC 2016-10-08T10:40:00 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-08T10:40:25 < stvn> throw me a bone 2016-10-08T10:44:18 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-08T11:13:59 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.117] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T11:24:45 < Thorn> can a LED connected directly to a stm32 pin kill [at least] the gpio buffer if illuminated with a bright light? 2016-10-08T11:28:55 < dongs> lol 2016-10-08T11:29:01 < Getty> I just leave that here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/5610xg/autism_simulator_available_as_direct_download/ ;) 2016-10-08T11:30:33 < Thorn> what if the stm32 is powered with 1.8V or whatever the minimum is 2016-10-08T11:32:16 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-08T11:33:26 < upgrdman> holy shit. had this window minimized, just brough it up... the colored ASCII shit scared the fuck out of me. did not expect that from IRC 2016-10-08T11:37:01 < dongs> loldongs 2016-10-08T11:42:25 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T11:57:15 -!- theAdib [~theadib@ipservice-092-208-160-021.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T11:58:27 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T12:05:51 < ReadErr> upgrdman: never seen asskey? 2016-10-08T12:07:02 < upgrdman> nope 2016-10-08T12:09:25 < ReadErr> oh unless you have monospace fonts it will look fucked up 2016-10-08T12:09:33 < ReadErr> Getty: waiting for a twitch stream 2016-10-08T12:09:54 < stvn> wut 2016-10-08T12:10:01 < ReadErr> https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/5610xg/autism_simulator_available_as_direct_download/ 2016-10-08T12:10:06 < ReadErr> I dont have a vive 2016-10-08T12:10:20 < upgrdman> lol https://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130821012804AAmK8s2 2016-10-08T12:13:08 -!- theAdib [~theadib@ipservice-092-208-160-021.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-08T12:13:22 -!- theAdib [~theadib@ipservice-092-208-160-021.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T12:13:41 < stvn> https://youtu.be/uT1hPc-v1TQ?t=8m8s 2016-10-08T12:14:16 -!- theAdib [~theadib@ipservice-092-208-160-021.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-08T12:14:26 -!- theAdib [~theadib@ipservice-092-208-160-021.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T12:16:34 -!- theAdib [~theadib@ipservice-092-208-160-021.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-08T12:16:59 < ReadErr> they need to respin that show, TO CATCH A CUCK WITH KIMBO SLICE 2016-10-08T12:17:26 < ReadErr> get these predators over to a house then kimbo just beatbox that ass 2016-10-08T12:17:32 < stvn> lolol 2016-10-08T12:17:34 < ReadErr> bap bap bappp 2016-10-08T12:17:50 < stvn> there's a new one on tv now 2016-10-08T12:20:08 < ReadErr> eh ya but the kimbo one would be better to watch 2016-10-08T12:20:17 < PaulFertser> Thorn: do you imply a LED can produce current when under light? 2016-10-08T12:20:32 < ReadErr> https://youtu.be/uT1hPc-v1TQ?t=285 lol 2016-10-08T12:21:47 < Thorn> apparently it can generate over a volt. there're youtube videos 2016-10-08T12:22:14 < Thorn> at least with a high impedance load 2016-10-08T12:22:44 < Thorn> but that's also possible e.g. with the MCU in stop mode 2016-10-08T12:26:52 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T12:28:17 < ReadErr> https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html 2016-10-08T12:28:24 < ReadErr> where is rtwocommie 2016-10-08T12:30:03 < ReadErr> Thorn: people do it with arduinos all the time 2016-10-08T12:30:23 < ReadErr> oh wait nm read above 2016-10-08T12:31:28 < stvn> welcom 2 au https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eFBdG8qHWE 2016-10-08T12:32:35 < Thorn> they kill their arduinos with leds? good for them 2016-10-08T12:35:20 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/5qajeRc.gifv 2016-10-08T12:36:56 < Getty> ReadErr: well, it would not be a ........ stable stream ;-) 2016-10-08T12:37:33 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/HrpFFHp.jpg 2016-10-08T12:38:47 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-08T12:39:45 < ReadErr> Getty: I want to see it tho still 2016-10-08T12:39:47 < ReadErr> anyone vive? 2016-10-08T12:39:56 < Getty> i got vive 2016-10-08T12:39:57 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-08T12:40:02 < ReadErr> omg omg omg 2016-10-08T12:40:02 < ReadErr> do it 2016-10-08T12:40:04 < ReadErr> ;) 2016-10-08T12:40:08 < Getty> didnt used for 2-3 weeks now ;) 2016-10-08T12:40:11 < ReadErr> you have my full attention 2016-10-08T12:40:27 < Getty> VR is..... really a very interesting/uninteresting topic 2016-10-08T12:40:47 < ReadErr> plsssss mr Getty 2016-10-08T12:41:00 < Getty> i think the biggest problem for me with the VR usage is that its so.... "intense", it is so intense, that your world is just "gone" and you have ONLY this what you have in the game 2016-10-08T12:41:11 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/1rjPTh1 2016-10-08T12:41:12 < stvn> lulul https://youtu.be/k_IF4Mfee3M?t=22m47s 2016-10-08T12:41:14 < Getty> ReadErr: yeah i will for sure test it and then probably make a stream 2016-10-08T12:44:03 < ReadErr> stvn: hilarious when they break down and start crying 2016-10-08T12:45:39 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T12:46:35 -!- BillS [~IceChat9@112.201.14.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T12:47:14 < stvn> tis a good scene 2016-10-08T12:50:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-08T12:51:49 < ReadErr> haha chris hansen is awesome 2016-10-08T12:59:10 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T13:01:52 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-08T13:03:35 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-08T13:03:51 < Steffanx> Better get back to what really matters. Trump and his 2005 video/recording. 2016-10-08T13:06:11 < stvn> yeah its pretty neat 2016-10-08T13:06:23 < stvn> a well versed intelligent gentleman 2016-10-08T13:06:29 < stvn> perfect material to run USA 2016-10-08T13:10:10 < Steffanx> Imho this is just all silly crap. They just waited for the right moment to release this crap. 2016-10-08T13:10:30 < stvn> absolutely 2016-10-08T13:11:11 < stvn> clearly the presidential campaign is just a stupid game he's playing out of boredom anyway 2016-10-08T13:12:45 -!- You're now known as jpa- 2016-10-08T13:16:05 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-08T13:23:24 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T13:31:49 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.249.64] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T13:32:38 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T13:41:09 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: for those playing along at home, this is the segment that i like to call bullshit... 'cause we're in like flynn] 2016-10-08T13:41:24 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.181] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T13:48:57 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-08T13:53:02 < ReadErr> attn dongs https://youtu.be/MMInxg1Omv4?t=405 "my DJI MAVIC DRONE is GONE" 2016-10-08T13:53:08 < ReadErr> 2 of the gayest things in 1 video 2016-10-08T13:53:38 < ReadErr> Steffanx: hard to bring up Bill's infidelity now 2016-10-08T13:53:44 < ReadErr> powerplay 2016-10-08T13:54:18 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T13:55:48 < anton02> for some reason SWO viewer is giving me garbled output in much the same way as it does when you select the wrong BAUD rate for uart 2016-10-08T14:00:37 < jadew> don't drones come home when they lose signal? 2016-10-08T14:01:53 < dongs> dongul8 2016-10-08T14:04:04 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/YSqIOhg.png 2016-10-08T14:04:57 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-08T14:07:14 < PaulFertser> anton02: the only coding system for SWO supported by stlink is UART, so no wonder :) 2016-10-08T14:15:01 < Laurenceb_> attn dongs https://8ch.net/pone/res/265535.html 2016-10-08T14:15:30 < dongs> wat is this trash 2016-10-08T14:17:28 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-08T14:18:39 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T14:21:24 < PaulFertser> Great russian firewall saves me from many of Laurenceb_'s links. 2016-10-08T14:21:49 < Laurenceb_> lol 8ch is banned in Russia 2016-10-08T14:21:55 -!- anton02_ [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T14:22:09 < Laurenceb_> one reason not to vote for putin 2016-10-08T14:24:37 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-08T14:25:31 < Laurenceb_> guess its designed to increase the birth rate by reducing incidents of sex with miniature horses 2016-10-08T14:26:57 < Steffanx> Says the biggest horse fan in the channel. 2016-10-08T14:27:04 < BillS> anton02 how are you connecting to SWO pins and what program are you using to capture SWO output? 2016-10-08T14:27:43 -!- BillS [~IceChat9@112.201.14.201] has quit [Quit: Not that there is anything wrong with that] 2016-10-08T14:28:22 < Laurenceb_> apparently brits can get Russian citizenship and "free land", maybe I should try it 2016-10-08T14:29:19 < Steffanx> Don't forget to insult putin so we never see you again. 2016-10-08T14:29:38 < PaulFertser> Insulting kadyrov would be more efficient 2016-10-08T14:30:04 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T14:30:32 < dongs> tec2 2016-10-08T14:31:45 < Steffanx> Tectu finally found his way back to the interwebs. 2016-10-08T14:32:10 < dongs> was too busy doing kawaii things 2016-10-08T14:32:31 < Steffanx> Who knows. 2016-10-08T14:37:44 < Tectu> god knows (and therefore probably Terry Davis) and the answer is no. Tectu doesn't do kawaii things 2016-10-08T14:38:30 < dongs> that gifv is gone from my scrollback :( 2016-10-08T14:38:55 < Steffanx> Damn you Tectu, i even had to google to know who Terry Davis is. 2016-10-08T14:39:00 < Steffanx> Im surprised you remember and i dont. 2016-10-08T14:39:26 < Tectu> :D 2016-10-08T14:39:43 < Tectu> healthy lifestyle & happy-ness -> good memory. 2016-10-08T14:39:52 < Tectu> better stop 2 weed and you will remember useless things too 2016-10-08T14:39:58 < Steffanx> blablabla. 2016-10-08T15:03:14 < dongs> Duck face is a trend of photographic pose, which is well known on profile pictures in social networks. Lips are pressed together as in a pout and often with simultaneously sucked cheeks. The pose is most often seen as an attempt to appear alluring, but also as a self-deprecating, ironic gesture making fun of the pose. It may be associated with sympathy, attractiveness, friendliness or stupidity. 2016-10-08T15:03:20 < dongs> i had no diea 2016-10-08T15:04:27 -!- theAdib [~theadib@ipservice-092-208-160-021.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T15:05:25 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-08T15:10:41 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T15:17:01 < ReadErr> http://i.imgur.com/YSqIOhg.png 2016-10-08T15:17:05 < ReadErr> 4 Tectu 2016-10-08T15:17:15 < ReadErr> http://i.imgur.com/HBXqIdO.gif 2016-10-08T15:17:17 < ReadErr> or this? 2016-10-08T15:18:16 < Steffanx> Or boring. 2016-10-08T15:19:37 < Thorn> why is autism measured in db 2016-10-08T15:19:42 < Thorn> what is 0db 2016-10-08T15:23:31 < Steffanx> it doesnt say db anywere, does it Thorn? 2016-10-08T15:24:37 < Thorn> it is implied 2016-10-08T15:26:43 < Laurenceb_> yay freeCAD is behaving itself 2016-10-08T15:26:54 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/iG8NOD.png 2016-10-08T15:27:21 < Thorn> did the spanking help 2016-10-08T15:27:41 < Laurenceb_> upgrading some of the back end shit to fix rounding error issues 2016-10-08T15:28:28 < Laurenceb_> revolve now works without bizarre errors 2016-10-08T15:30:27 < Thorn> Tektronix 012099100, GPIB Cable (2m) $591.00 2016-10-08T15:31:06 < Laurenceb_> lul https://i.sli.mg/iG8NOD.png 2016-10-08T15:31:25 < Laurenceb_> The Donald has scored 2016-10-08T15:31:37 < Laurenceb_> that line is epic win 2016-10-08T15:34:18 < Steffanx> Yeah, lul. 2016-10-08T15:34:33 < Steffanx> I wonder what donald is doing with that. 2016-10-08T15:36:19 < Laurenceb_> erm wrong linkz 2016-10-08T15:41:11 < Thorn> I thought it was a Trump portrait that you did in freecad 2016-10-08T15:43:44 -!- ac|work [~ardu@178.124.147.109] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-08T15:44:04 < Laurenceb_> Trump is literally /b/ tier 2016-10-08T15:44:11 < Laurenceb_> only /b/ never actually get laid 2016-10-08T15:44:50 < Laurenceb_> american pie president 2016-10-08T15:49:24 < ReadErr> sorry, im not a child molester, is /b/ tier a good or bad thing? 2016-10-08T15:50:05 < Laurenceb_> depends on your point of view 2016-10-08T15:50:29 < ReadErr> in the channer community 2016-10-08T15:51:01 -!- ac|work [~ardu@178.124.147.109] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T15:52:07 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-08T15:56:00 < ReadErr> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/f1b7e2c2f4a2e1e883005430d055d3759b34581ce1aa38d0244635ee0af80005.png 2016-10-08T15:56:12 < ReadErr> high quality channer stuff here Laurenceb_ 2016-10-08T15:56:14 < ReadErr> step it up 2016-10-08T15:56:44 < Laurenceb_> wut 2016-10-08T15:58:17 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-08T15:58:24 -!- fenugrec [~Q@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T16:09:26 < Laurenceb_> /b/ medical school http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/brinkmann-on-business/os-valencia-sonograph-speech-20160415-story.html 2016-10-08T16:11:45 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T16:12:44 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-08T16:14:35 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T16:43:04 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T16:43:16 < Rob235> its so col! 2016-10-08T16:43:17 < Rob235> cold! 2016-10-08T16:44:45 < Steffanx> define: cold 2016-10-08T16:45:37 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-08T16:45:52 < Rob235> 66*F/ 19*C and the next couple of days are 60/15 2016-10-08T16:46:26 < Rob235> its just a quick change 2016-10-08T16:51:36 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T16:52:08 < fenugrec> lol 2016-10-08T16:52:55 < Rob235> I had my A/C on a few days ago and now the heater is blasting 2016-10-08T16:55:03 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-08T16:55:16 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T16:58:57 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.249.64] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-08T17:03:37 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-08T17:05:07 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.245] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T17:13:14 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.249.64] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T17:14:36 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T17:15:38 < Rob235> haha I found out something funny yesterday although I may have already mentioned it on here 2016-10-08T17:17:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.249.64] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-08T17:17:46 < Rob235> my old maintenance guy just disappeared one day a month or two ago, my gf finally asked the landlord what happened and apparently she saw him on an episode of 60 minutes. he got in with some rich family in new york with some woman known as the pot princess and just disappeared from here out of the blue, didn't even quit his job and give the keys back and stuff 2016-10-08T17:17:59 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.249.64] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T17:18:12 < dongs> news for stoners, stuff that matters 2016-10-08T17:18:59 < Rob235> its a funny story, not everything has to matter, if you don't find it funny then ignore it 2016-10-08T17:19:35 < dongs> and no, you havent mentioned it before, at least not while i was here 2016-10-08T17:19:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.249.64] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-08T17:20:10 < dongs> heh ive been writing my own accessor functions to BKP registers, but apparently they're hiding in stdperiphlib rtc block 2016-10-08T17:20:20 < dongs> RTC_WriteBackupRegister / RTC_ReadBackupRegister 2016-10-08T17:20:29 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.249.64] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T17:20:44 < Rob235> what are backup registers used for? aside from the obvious 2016-10-08T17:21:01 < Rob235> non-volatile? 2016-10-08T17:21:02 < dongs> sram that stays powered by vbat / doesnt get cleared over reset 2016-10-08T17:21:33 < Rob235> ahh 2016-10-08T17:22:14 < Steffanx> 19C and you have your heater on Rob235 ?! 2016-10-08T17:22:43 < dongs> i usually use it for shit like 'i just rebooted and instead of doing this, do that instead' flag, but in this proj i guess I'll set it so that RTC is not initialized to defaults on wake aup/reboot 2016-10-08T17:23:09 < dongs> Steffanx: i think he means his AMD 2016-10-08T17:23:22 < dongs> heater ^_^ 2016-10-08T17:23:55 < Rob235> man, I'm 6'5 (what is that, 2m?) and weight like 150, I don't have an outer layer of fat for insulation :) 2016-10-08T17:25:10 < Steffanx> We you cm or m and kg Rob235 ;) 2016-10-08T17:25:39 < Rob235> we you? 2016-10-08T17:25:45 < Rob235> use? 2016-10-08T17:25:59 < Rob235> I'm trying to convert to the more popular units in this channel 2016-10-08T17:26:00 < Rob235> :) 2016-10-08T17:26:08 < Steffanx> *use, yes :P 2016-10-08T17:26:13 < Rob235> oh I forgot the lbs 2016-10-08T17:26:21 < Steffanx> we = rest of the world 2016-10-08T17:26:32 < Rob235> 68kg, 10.8 stone 2016-10-08T17:26:32 < Rob235> hah 2016-10-08T17:26:34 < dongs> freedom units 2016-10-08T17:26:41 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.249.64] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-08T17:26:56 < Rob235> Steffanx: give me some credit, I did it for the height measurement, just forgot weight) 2016-10-08T17:27:07 < Steffanx> I forgive you. 2016-10-08T17:27:25 < Rob235> thank you 2016-10-08T17:27:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.249.64] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T17:27:55 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.249.64] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-08T17:28:25 < dongs> has eagle 7.x changed a lot? 2016-10-08T17:28:38 < dongs> hmm 7.7 2016-10-08T17:29:11 < Steffanx> dont know.. been ages since i've launched/installed eagle 2016-10-08T17:30:28 < dongs> Support Only for 64-Bit Windows Operating Systems 2016-10-08T17:30:28 < dongs> The 17.2-2016 products are supported only on the following 64-bit versions of Windows 2016-10-08T17:30:31 < Rob235> Steffanx: and since you brought it up, I don't wear any clothes when I'm at home, so that makes a difference :) 2016-10-08T17:30:31 < dongs> operating systems: 2016-10-08T17:30:34 < dongs> holy shit 2016-10-08T17:30:34 < dongs> orcad only supports x64 now 2016-10-08T17:30:43 < dongs> i wonder if they've moved into 21st century finally 2016-10-08T17:30:44 < Steffanx> that's more than i wanted to know Rob235. 2016-10-08T17:30:47 < Rob235> hah 2016-10-08T17:30:53 < dongs> haha 2016-10-08T17:31:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.249.64] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T17:33:02 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.249.64] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-08T17:34:12 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.249.64] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T17:36:21 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-08T17:37:13 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T17:38:01 < dongs> haha 160x100 routing area in $820 eagle license 2016-10-08T17:38:03 < dongs> what the fuck 2016-10-08T17:38:21 < Rob235> my apartment people won't let us break our lease 4 months early so even though I don't mind living here, I'm going to make it my goal to find a way to legally break the contract just to rub it in their face 2016-10-08T17:38:46 < Rob235> dongs: are those cm? 2016-10-08T17:38:50 < dongs> mm 2016-10-08T17:38:57 < dongs> https://cadsoft.io/pricing/ 2016-10-08T17:39:12 < Rob235> for that much, damn 2016-10-08T17:39:56 < Rob235> I had a feeling you were gonna come back with mm because 160cm is huge but at that price I couldn't believe it 2016-10-08T17:40:30 < dongs> riduculous. 2016-10-08T17:42:15 < Thorn> ia dicktrace still alive 2016-10-08T17:42:18 < Thorn> *is 2016-10-08T17:42:22 < dongs> ya 2016-10-08T17:42:25 < dongs> version 3 came out few moths ago 2016-10-08T17:42:35 < Rob235> thats the only one I've tried 2016-10-08T17:42:46 < Rob235> the autoroute is so ugly 2016-10-08T17:43:02 < dongs> lol who uses autoroute in anything seriously 2016-10-08T17:43:12 < Rob235> I'm a newb, I was just messing around 2016-10-08T17:43:36 < Rob235> wanted to see how the feature worked 2016-10-08T17:43:47 < Rob235> let me see if I can find the pic of what it spit out 2016-10-08T17:43:52 < dongs> i actaully made a not too awful looking autorouted board in diptrace. 2016-10-08T17:44:01 < dongs> i routed all teh power/etc stuff and placed shit where i wanted it 2016-10-08T17:44:08 < dongs> then hit autoroute for hte rest of the nets which i was too lazy ot do 2016-10-08T17:44:15 < dongs> and did soem minor cleanups on result, was ok 2016-10-08T17:45:50 < dongs> lol, it has some diff shit in 3.0, havent looked at it, just have a license that guy in another office uses 2016-10-08T17:46:07 < dongs> i gave up trying to submit bugs to them for fixing 2016-10-08T17:46:32 < Rob235> wow, check out this pic my uncle took: https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14600960_1325880214097264_1997530887000069525_n.jpg?oh=88621344ba27052da847eb4a12bc56eb&oe=586772E0 2016-10-08T17:46:54 < Thorn> are you sure it is sfw 2016-10-08T17:46:59 < Rob235> yes 2016-10-08T17:47:01 < Rob235> def 2016-10-08T17:50:28 < dongs> not last i checked 2016-10-08T17:51:20 < dongs> lol. 2016-10-08T17:51:22 < dongs> fucking troll. 2016-10-08T17:51:45 < dongs> you dont even have kikecad.exe installed 2016-10-08T17:52:04 < Thorn> there is a free 1000 pin / 4 signal layers license only for Russians 2016-10-08T17:52:11 < Rob235> http://imgur.com/a/6cpw9 2016-10-08T17:52:13 < Rob235> diptrace workin hard 2016-10-08T17:52:16 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T17:55:33 < Rob235> that pic has got me wanting to try to work on a new one but theres so much shit to do already 2016-10-08T18:02:32 -!- anton02_ [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-08T18:02:44 < Rob235> luckily U1 and J2 are no longer needed, stupid waste of space 2016-10-08T18:06:44 < Rob235> are noob/newb interchangeable or did I make up newb 2016-10-08T18:06:56 < Rob235> these are important questions in life 2016-10-08T18:11:11 < Rob235> HELLO Hello hello ello lo lo lo o 2016-10-08T18:11:15 < Rob235> good echo right? 2016-10-08T18:11:41 < dongs> jewb > newb 2016-10-08T18:11:50 < Steffanx> Rob235: is this you http://imgur.com/gallery/iR76M ? 2016-10-08T18:12:52 < dongs> ahaha 2016-10-08T18:12:59 < Rob235> no audio? 2016-10-08T18:14:26 < Rob235> that wasn't even that big a cloud 2016-10-08T18:19:28 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/X_aNYRPEZOY 2016-10-08T18:21:16 < Rob235> wtf 2016-10-08T18:21:54 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.249.64] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-08T18:23:58 < Rob235> yea 2016-10-08T18:24:02 < Rob235> I got 2 years free though 2016-10-08T18:24:06 < Rob235> you a student? 2016-10-08T18:24:16 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-08T18:24:23 < Thorn> R2COM: bitbucket 2016-10-08T18:24:55 < Thorn> free private repositories 2016-10-08T18:25:46 < Rob235> R2COM: are you a student? do you have a university email address? or arent' you like 12? 2016-10-08T18:25:56 < Thorn> do you actually need collaboration? like code reviews and a public bug tracker 2016-10-08T18:26:06 < Thorn> if not, it's perfectly usable 2016-10-08T18:26:29 < Thorn> it has that 2016-10-08T18:26:33 < Rob235> did R2COM put me on ignore? hah 2016-10-08T18:27:25 < Thorn> wat 2016-10-08T18:27:30 < Thorn> you mean git? 2016-10-08T18:27:40 < Thorn> git is free 2016-10-08T18:28:12 < Thorn> you can run git anywhere it will run 2016-10-08T18:28:21 < Thorn> if you wwant to run ypur own web frontend for git look at gitlab 2016-10-08T18:28:33 < Thorn> correct 2016-10-08T18:29:59 < Thorn> free backups, access from anywhere, no admin hassle 2016-10-08T18:30:30 < ReadErr> R2COM: you can keep renewing it too 2016-10-08T18:30:34 < ReadErr> err Rob235 2016-10-08T18:30:35 < Thorn> and no need to waste disk space etc. on a vps 2016-10-08T18:30:53 < Rob235> ReadErr: yea but R2COM apparently has me on ignore or just doesnt care 2016-10-08T18:31:10 < ReadErr> gdamn its git R2COM 2016-10-08T18:31:12 < Thorn> I recal running redmine oin a vps before like 2012 2016-10-08T18:31:14 < ReadErr> it will take w/e 2016-10-08T18:31:24 < Thorn> bitbucket does not handle files, git does 2016-10-08T18:31:30 < ReadErr> right 2016-10-08T18:31:35 < ReadErr> bitbucket is the frontend/service 2016-10-08T18:31:41 < Thorn> git can handle any files with varying efficiency 2016-10-08T18:31:44 < ReadErr> i like githubs interface much better 2016-10-08T18:31:49 < ReadErr> but priv repos are nice 2016-10-08T18:32:41 < ReadErr> github is more community 2016-10-08T18:32:50 < ReadErr> wtf R2COM 2016-10-08T18:32:52 < ReadErr> STAPH 2016-10-08T18:33:05 < Rob235> R2COM: can you seriously just do me one favor and tell me if you see this message? I just want to know in the future if I'm wasting my time saying anything related to you 2016-10-08T18:33:05 < Thorn> bitbucket and github both host git repositories 2016-10-08T18:33:34 < ReadErr> Rob235: you can /ctcp R2COM ping 2016-10-08T18:33:39 < ReadErr> if reply, no ignore 2016-10-08T18:33:52 < Thorn> commit them to a git repo, create project on a github/bitbucket etc., push your commit there 2016-10-08T18:34:34 < Rob235> yup, ignored 2016-10-08T18:34:42 < Rob235> :) 2016-10-08T18:34:50 < ReadErr> R2COM: why u ignore Rob235 2016-10-08T18:35:24 < Steffanx> it can also mean R2COM just ignores ctcp requests ReadErr ;) 2016-10-08T18:35:32 < ReadErr> did he try to grab you in the pussy like Trump? 2016-10-08T18:35:34 < Rob235> while trying to help him get free private github repos 2016-10-08T18:35:40 < Steffanx> but he doenst. 2016-10-08T18:36:06 < ReadErr> Steffanx: ya true, but as a general litmus test it works 2016-10-08T18:36:07 < Rob235> haha ok 2016-10-08T18:36:45 < Rob235> well at least now I know thanks ReadErr 2016-10-08T18:36:51 < ReadErr> np 2016-10-08T18:36:56 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-08T18:37:53 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-08T18:38:00 < Rob235> just because I'm a decent person, can someone mention to him that if he is a student he can get github private repos for free 2016-10-08T18:38:10 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T18:38:56 < Thorn> R2COM: just because I'm a decent person, can someone mention to him that if he is a student he can get github private repos for free 2016-10-08T18:39:11 < Rob235> thanks Thorn 2016-10-08T18:39:45 < Thorn> internet ->relay<- chat 2016-10-08T18:39:50 < Thorn> so that's what that means 2016-10-08T18:39:51 < Rob235> :) 2016-10-08T18:40:39 < Rob235> alright, I've learned my lesson. Don't waste my time 2016-10-08T18:40:48 < ReadErr> R2COM: well uhhh 2016-10-08T18:40:52 < ReadErr> he has a pending rape case 2016-10-08T18:40:59 < ReadErr> maybe multiple 2016-10-08T18:41:20 < ReadErr> he has atleast 1 2016-10-08T18:41:52 < ReadErr> http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/ 2016-10-08T18:42:10 < ReadErr> https://www.scribd.com/doc/316341058/Donald-Trump-Jeffrey-Epstein-Rape-Lawsuit-and-Affidavits 2016-10-08T18:42:12 < ReadErr> court docs 2016-10-08T18:42:45 < ReadErr> http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/exclusive-inside-the-donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuit/ 2016-10-08T18:42:53 < ReadErr> oh except this isnt hardly the first time 2016-10-08T18:44:48 < ReadErr> its not looking good for him 2016-10-08T18:44:58 < ReadErr> that courtcase and the video from yesterday 2016-10-08T18:45:39 < ReadErr> that a woman would risk going to prison to take down trump? 2016-10-08T18:45:42 < ReadErr> for hilldawg> 2016-10-08T18:45:44 < ReadErr> gtfo 2016-10-08T18:46:16 < ReadErr> perjury? 2016-10-08T18:46:20 < ReadErr> its a federal case 2016-10-08T18:48:07 < ReadErr> some black dude 2016-10-08T18:48:09 < ReadErr> go on 2016-10-08T18:50:02 < ReadErr> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html 2016-10-08T18:50:07 < ReadErr> except theres MULTIPLE women 2016-10-08T18:50:33 < Rob235> Bill Cosby (I know he can't see this) 2016-10-08T18:52:37 < ReadErr> Rob235: except the bill cosby thing isnt a scandal 2016-10-08T18:52:40 < ReadErr> so it cant be that 2016-10-08T18:52:46 < ReadErr> hes facing the grand jury next year 2016-10-08T18:53:11 < Rob235> R2COM just couldn't remember his name, thats the only reason I said it 2016-10-08T18:53:18 < ReadErr> he also owes like, 600mil+ to the chinese R2COM 2016-10-08T18:53:26 < ReadErr> thats why hes not releasing his tax shit 2016-10-08T18:54:18 < ReadErr> people doing right dont get audited every year 2016-10-08T18:54:41 < ReadErr> also, EVERY candidate to date has disclosed theirs 2016-10-08T18:54:54 < ReadErr> lol whats he have to hide 2016-10-08T18:54:57 < ReadErr> bic boi 2016-10-08T18:55:19 < ReadErr> hes also unwilling to do a blind trust 2016-10-08T18:55:23 < ReadErr> seems suspect 2016-10-08T18:55:51 < ReadErr> the problem is, if you think trickle down economics works 2016-10-08T18:55:53 < ReadErr> you are a fucking idiot 2016-10-08T18:56:09 < ReadErr> oh the investigation that found her not guilty? go on 2016-10-08T18:56:38 < ReadErr> trickle down economics doesnt work 2016-10-08T18:56:42 < ReadErr> and its well proven 2016-10-08T18:57:24 < ReadErr> do you want people breaking in to your house to steal shit to get money for food? 2016-10-08T18:57:40 < ReadErr> you stimulate the economy by reducing tax on the middle class 2016-10-08T18:57:43 < ReadErr> they will spend more 2016-10-08T18:57:49 < ReadErr> which boost everything 2016-10-08T18:58:06 < ReadErr> someone on the offensive always has the upper hand 2016-10-08T18:58:19 < ReadErr> pistols can be bought for $50 or stolen 2016-10-08T18:59:34 < dongs> http://news.softpedia.com/news/safe-samsung-galaxy-note-7-catches-fire-in-taiwan-509079.shtml lol my taiwan pal's 'fixed' note7 IMEI is only off by 7 from this one 2016-10-08T18:59:41 < ReadErr> he wants to reduce tax 15$ to BIG biz 2016-10-08T18:59:48 < ReadErr> and has tools convinced it will produce more jobs 2016-10-08T19:00:07 < ReadErr> that will just net them more profit 2016-10-08T19:00:18 < ReadErr> they will continue to keep the minimum # of people required 2016-10-08T19:00:33 < ReadErr> and pay them as little as necessary to maintain quality 2016-10-08T19:00:38 < ReadErr> hows that make jobs 2016-10-08T19:00:50 < ReadErr> so I just buttfucked your logic 2016-10-08T19:01:01 < ReadErr> hes pushing it 2016-10-08T19:01:11 < ReadErr> and idiot hicks believe it 2016-10-08T19:01:54 < ReadErr> so hows this boost the economy ? 2016-10-08T19:02:00 < ReadErr> im curious to know 2016-10-08T19:02:27 < ReadErr> the greatest good for the greatest # of people 2016-10-08T19:03:35 < ReadErr> thats just ignant 2016-10-08T19:04:07 < ReadErr> cuz im cute and have a tight butthole? 2016-10-08T19:04:08 < ReadErr> idk 2016-10-08T19:04:20 < ReadErr> what kind of question is that 2016-10-08T19:05:03 < ReadErr> afaik no rich guy is paying me 2016-10-08T19:07:30 < ReadErr> lol 2016-10-08T19:07:48 < ReadErr> http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ 2016-10-08T19:07:49 < Rob235> That was painful to read but I couldn't look away 2016-10-08T19:07:50 < ReadErr> gl buddy 2016-10-08T19:07:57 < ReadErr> 18.6% 2016-10-08T19:10:13 < Rob235> New Jersey: 95.9% / 4.1% 2016-10-08T19:10:50 < Rob235> If it werent for south jersey I bet that 4.1% would be lower 2016-10-08T19:12:08 < ReadErr> Lol 2016-10-08T19:13:40 < ReadErr> Ur screwed R2COM 2016-10-08T19:14:22 < ReadErr> And I'll remind you of this every day for 4-8 years 2016-10-08T19:14:41 < Rob235> how old is he, isn't he like 12-14? 2016-10-08T19:15:01 < ReadErr> Until Michelle takes office 2016-10-08T19:15:26 < ReadErr> Natural progression 2016-10-08T19:18:15 < ReadErr> Are you worried about job security? 2016-10-08T19:18:50 < ReadErr> Maybe you should move to Russia 2016-10-08T19:19:06 < ReadErr> Heard things are going great there 2016-10-08T19:19:37 < Rob235> yea if Trump is elected 2016-10-08T19:20:18 < ReadErr> He's already fist deep with putin 2016-10-08T19:20:36 < Rob235> ohhhhh R2COM is racist 2016-10-08T19:20:40 < ReadErr> Dolland 2016-10-08T19:20:50 < Rob235> not surprising 2016-10-08T19:21:59 < ReadErr> Trick? Go on 2016-10-08T19:23:13 < ReadErr> And he owes him $$$ 2016-10-08T19:23:45 < ReadErr> Putin's Russia 2016-10-08T19:25:18 < ReadErr> You seem far more misinformed of things 2016-10-08T19:26:31 < ReadErr> I don't 2016-10-08T19:27:10 < ReadErr> Trump does 2016-10-08T19:28:00 < ReadErr> He won't release them 2016-10-08T19:28:13 < ReadErr> Nah he will trade handies 2016-10-08T19:28:42 < Steffanx> R2COM please stay in your friendly mode please. :P 2016-10-08T19:28:54 < Steffanx> pretty please. 2016-10-08T19:31:38 < ReadErr> “Post-bankruptcy Trump has been highly reliant on money from Russia, most of which has over the years become increasingly concentrated among oligarchs and sub-garchs close to Vladimir Putin.” 2016-10-08T19:31:54 < ReadErr> https://medium.com/@jeffreycarr/fact-checking-that-trump-putin-thing-8ed9fd850d40#.fmu82qq35 2016-10-08T19:32:21 < ReadErr> So continue 2016-10-08T19:32:38 < ReadErr> No debt to Vladimir or Russia? 2016-10-08T19:34:24 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T19:35:27 < ReadErr> So you admit he owes them money now? 2016-10-08T19:36:31 < Steffanx> I owe putin a beer. 2016-10-08T19:37:32 < ReadErr> Trump was once quoted saying "imma putin in her butt" 2016-10-08T19:39:38 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.53] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T19:46:59 < ReadErr> He will probably off himself next month 2016-10-08T19:49:25 < ReadErr> Would rather listen to her than watch trump move his tiny hands around so much 2016-10-08T19:52:19 < ReadErr> July 28th? 2016-10-08T20:15:30 < Rob235> wtf, in reference to porn, have any of you heard of a rosebud? I just became aware of this and watched a video. WHY? 2016-10-08T20:17:33 < Rob235> btw, I was reading VICE articles, not looking for porn 2016-10-08T20:17:36 < Rob235> :P 2016-10-08T20:17:59 < Steffanx> Why you made me google for that Rob235? 2016-10-08T20:18:27 < Rob235> since when is anal and vaginal prolapse sexy 2016-10-08T20:18:37 < Steffanx> Since goatse.cx 2016-10-08T20:18:40 < Rob235> heh 2016-10-08T20:18:47 < Rob235> haven't heard that reference in a long time 2016-10-08T20:19:39 < Rob235> at least you just googled it, I watched (EXTREMELY NSFW): http://www.pornerbros.com/392496/anal-acrobats-extreme-prolapse.html?utm_source=vice&utm_medium=article&utm_content=vice&utm_campaign=vice 2016-10-08T20:20:16 < Steffanx> pass. 2016-10-08T20:20:21 < Rob235> don't blame ya 2016-10-08T20:22:52 < ReadErr> Anal prolapse 2016-10-08T20:23:00 < ReadErr> Lol 2016-10-08T20:23:10 < ReadErr> Nuff seen in url 2016-10-08T20:24:18 < Rob235> haha I wasn't trying to trick anyone, I said it before hand too 2016-10-08T20:24:41 < Rob235> I'm not easily grossed out so I didn't mind watching it, just curious who would get off on it 2016-10-08T20:26:03 -!- fest [~fest@188.226.203.53] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2016-10-08T20:26:31 < Steffanx> The internet made you like that Rob235. 2016-10-08T20:26:51 < Rob235> I don't doubt that 2016-10-08T20:31:54 < ReadErr> Attn R2COM 2016-10-08T20:31:57 < ReadErr> www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37597075 2016-10-08T20:33:41 < ReadErr> You slavs love to fuck each other 2016-10-08T20:34:07 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-08T20:35:39 < Rob235> why does R2COM call himself Fire? 2016-10-08T20:35:44 < ReadErr> Lol englishman 2016-10-08T20:36:02 < ReadErr> Fagvic fly away already 2016-10-08T20:36:11 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T20:36:21 < ReadErr> He should have take a check to keep his mouth shut 2016-10-08T20:36:26 < ReadErr> Take 2016-10-08T20:36:32 < ReadErr> Taken fuck 2016-10-08T20:39:08 < Steffanx> WriteErr. 2016-10-08T20:39:18 < Steffanx> Sorry, someone had to make this boring joke. 2016-10-08T20:40:11 < ReadErr> 💰💎💸💳 = 💉💊👙 2016-10-08T20:40:26 < Steffanx> Yes. phony. 2016-10-08T20:40:45 < ReadErr> 🔜💯 2016-10-08T20:41:20 < Steffanx> Also looks like iphone much. 2016-10-08T20:41:41 < ReadErr> These are official 2016-10-08T20:42:12 < ReadErr> They are usable in githugs 2016-10-08T20:42:15 < Steffanx> Official what? 2016-10-08T20:42:33 < Rob235> 💉💊💉💊💉💊💉💊💉💊💉💊💉💊 2016-10-08T20:43:03 < ReadErr> Steffanx: I dunno the term 2016-10-08T20:43:20 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-08T20:43:21 < Steffanx> ok. 2016-10-08T20:43:21 < Rob235> emoji? 2016-10-08T20:43:25 < Steffanx> Ah, yes that. 2016-10-08T20:43:28 < ReadErr> But they are in browsers 2016-10-08T20:43:31 < ReadErr> Chrome 2016-10-08T20:43:35 < ReadErr> Terminal 2016-10-08T20:43:52 < ReadErr> It's like a font now 2016-10-08T20:44:13 < Rob235> official to an operating system? all operating systems? a set of programs? official how 2016-10-08T20:44:20 < BrainDamage> it's part ofthe unicode standard 2016-10-08T20:44:32 < BrainDamage> and fonts do render them 2016-10-08T20:44:34 < ReadErr> Yes what he said 2016-10-08T20:44:37 < BrainDamage> and tey aren't new 2016-10-08T20:45:06 < Rob235> so each font can have different versions of the 'emoji' but they should all be the same idea for that character? 2016-10-08T20:45:27 < BrainDamage> yes, but the standard does prescribe a vague idea how to picture it 2016-10-08T20:45:44 < Steffanx> I'll make a white only font and skip those non-white people emojis 2016-10-08T20:45:46 < BrainDamage> assdroid instead replaces them with a bitmap, telling fuck off tothe fnt 2016-10-08T20:46:13 < BrainDamage> and calls it emoji support 2016-10-08T20:51:18 < Rob235> I'm going to write my own OS, its going to be called RobOSt and its main target is robots 2016-10-08T20:51:33 < Rob235> and it will have no emoji support 2016-10-08T20:52:27 < Rob235> sometimes I wonder about myself... 2016-10-08T20:52:29 < Rob235> :) 2016-10-08T20:54:18 < ReadErr> Jus install templeOS 2016-10-08T20:55:11 < ReadErr> Emojis are the devil's work 2016-10-08T20:56:09 < BrainDamage> i wish you could turn off the font replacement, i find the font rendering more tasteful most of the time 2016-10-08T20:56:09 < BrainDamage> and it won't break layout 2016-10-08T21:02:41 < ReadErr> font rendering like not colored? 2016-10-08T21:04:25 < PaulFertser> I just use Terminus font on all my devices (and on one commercial oil-related device I made for work) and it has no emoji. 2016-10-08T21:05:07 < Rob235> I wrote all 119,962 lines of TempleOS over the last 13.2 years 2016-10-08T21:05:11 < Rob235> I'll pass 2016-10-08T21:05:39 < BrainDamage> ReadErr: yes, i considerthat a feature as well 2016-10-08T21:06:02 < ReadErr> Rob235: heh 2016-10-08T21:06:19 < ReadErr> read some of his shit 2016-10-08T21:06:22 < ReadErr> hes uhhh 2016-10-08T21:06:22 < BrainDamage> whenever your primary font has a glyph is irrelephant tought, the font rendering stack will auto select one from the pool of installed fonts 2016-10-08T21:06:23 < ReadErr> out there 2016-10-08T21:06:45 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T21:07:23 < ReadErr> Rob235: you mix ejuice? 2016-10-08T21:07:26 < ReadErr> vapejuice 2016-10-08T21:07:44 < Rob235> yea 2016-10-08T21:07:55 < ReadErr> how many drops of shit do I use 2016-10-08T21:07:56 < Rob235> so much cheaper 2016-10-08T21:08:06 < ReadErr> I got a bunch of trash but no idea where to begin 2016-10-08T21:08:11 < Rob235> a $15-20 bottle costs me $1.30 2016-10-08T21:08:19 < ReadErr> I got it from wizardlabs 2016-10-08T21:08:27 < Rob235> what do you have 2016-10-08T21:08:51 < Rob235> take a pic or something 2016-10-08T21:14:08 < ReadErr> 1 min 2016-10-08T21:14:12 < Rob235> ok 2016-10-08T21:16:36 < Steffanx> imho fonts like that are too ugly for a UI PaulFertser. 2016-10-08T21:16:49 < Steffanx> i mean, for something like android and stuff 2016-10-08T21:21:10 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@94.234.183.211] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T21:22:48 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/J799TVs2/IMG_1585.JPG 2016-10-08T21:23:02 < ReadErr> had to take them out of a ton of bubblewrap 2016-10-08T21:23:02 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@94.234.183.211] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-08T21:23:20 < LeelooMinai> o_O 2016-10-08T21:24:31 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/150YCLiM/IMG_1585.JPG 2016-10-08T21:24:39 < ReadErr> bigger pic 2016-10-08T21:25:11 < Rob235> you have empty bottles? 2016-10-08T21:25:24 < ReadErr> tons 2016-10-08T21:25:38 < Rob235> what mg/ml nicotine are you going for? 2016-10-08T21:25:46 < ReadErr> oh i duno 2016-10-08T21:25:54 < Rob235> you never vaped? 2016-10-08T21:25:55 < ReadErr> prolly just mixing 80/20 pg/vg 2016-10-08T21:26:04 < ReadErr> so w/e that comes out to at 12mg 2016-10-08T21:26:06 < Thorn> http://diy.stackexchange.com/questions/100511/why-dont-you-connect-unused-hot-and-neutral-wires-to-complete-the-circuit 2016-10-08T21:26:24 < Rob235> whats your cig/vape history in terms of nicotine? 2016-10-08T21:26:32 < Rob235> are you trying to get off nicotine? 2016-10-08T21:26:34 < ReadErr> im not worried about the nic 2016-10-08T21:26:45 < ReadErr> i just dont know how much drops of flavor i need 2016-10-08T21:27:01 < ReadErr> and crystals 2016-10-08T21:27:11 < Rob235> drops is a terrible metric tbh 2016-10-08T21:27:35 < Rob235> I would get a like 3-5 ml oral syringe 2016-10-08T21:27:36 < ReadErr> well I have other measuring devices 2016-10-08T21:27:43 < ReadErr> 100unit syringes etc 2016-10-08T21:27:54 < Rob235> ok good 2016-10-08T21:28:11 < Rob235> drops can vary from like 5-30 drops per ml 2016-10-08T21:29:06 < Rob235> http://www.steam-engine.org/juice.asp 2016-10-08T21:29:38 < LeelooMinai> Good he did not "complete" the circuit using his body. 2016-10-08T21:29:52 < Thorn> at least that wouldn't be a short 2016-10-08T21:29:57 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@94.234.183.211] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T21:30:31 < Rob235> if using one flavor for your first batch I usually test at 12% flavor 2016-10-08T21:30:58 < ReadErr> how can i speed up steep time 2016-10-08T21:31:05 < ReadErr> i have gear 2016-10-08T21:31:23 < Rob235> glass bottles? throw em in a crock pot for a couple hours 2016-10-08T21:31:53 < Rob235> I never worry about steeping, I mix 1 liter of juice at a time so it just tastes a bit different for the first week 2016-10-08T21:32:11 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@94.234.183.211] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-08T21:32:18 < ReadErr> englishman: he did something w/ coils 2016-10-08T21:32:52 < Rob235> what made you choose 80/20 PG/VG? 2016-10-08T21:33:16 < ReadErr> Rob235: i duno 2016-10-08T21:33:19 < ReadErr> i tank it 2016-10-08T21:33:27 < Rob235> what tank 2016-10-08T21:33:34 < ReadErr> kanger 2016-10-08T21:34:02 < Rob235> which one 2016-10-08T21:34:09 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/c4gRUN4g/IMG_1560.JPG 2016-10-08T21:34:51 < ReadErr> forget the name 2016-10-08T21:34:53 < Rob235> alright, if you just want flavor I guess 20/80 is fine, I myself do the opposite, I would use NO PG if possible 2016-10-08T21:35:04 < Steffanx> is that #vaper in the background ReadErr? 2016-10-08T21:35:05 < ReadErr> orings 2016-10-08T21:35:09 < ReadErr> Steffanx: lol nah 2016-10-08T21:35:15 < ReadErr> I dont hang out in vape chans 2016-10-08T21:35:26 < ReadErr> dont want to be drawn back to scorpin up 24/7 2016-10-08T21:36:15 < Rob235> PG gives a little throat hit, VG is smoother, PG carries flavor better, VG creates more vapor (which is what I want because I need that feeling of fullness in my lungs) 2016-10-08T21:36:46 < Rob235> If I were you I would do 50/50 2016-10-08T21:36:50 < ReadErr> I thought you need PG for tanks 2016-10-08T21:36:54 < ReadErr> since its thinner 2016-10-08T21:37:11 < ReadErr> I dont follow the vape scene tho 2016-10-08T21:37:37 < Rob235> yea you need some, not all, those tanks I believe have fairly big juice holes I believe so they can handle some thicker liquid 2016-10-08T21:37:58 < Rob235> I use a tank and vape 85% or so VG 2016-10-08T21:38:17 < Rob235> but my tank is meant for that 2016-10-08T21:38:48 < Rob235> alright so if you did 50/50 that would be about 6mg/ml nicotine (a little less because of flavorings) 2016-10-08T21:39:01 < Rob235> how many tanks do you go through a day 2016-10-08T21:39:07 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T21:39:20 < ReadErr> .5 2016-10-08T21:39:22 < ReadErr> maybe 2016-10-08T21:39:26 < ReadErr> maybe .8 2016-10-08T21:39:28 < Rob235> seriously? 2016-10-08T21:39:37 < Rob235> you dont even go through a tank a day? hah ok 2016-10-08T21:39:41 < Rob235> you are like my gf then 2016-10-08T21:39:44 < ReadErr> maybe, I dont keep track 2016-10-08T21:39:47 < Rob235> I go through about 3 big tanks a day 2016-10-08T21:39:51 < ReadErr> i just put more in when it gets low 2016-10-08T21:40:08 < ReadErr> im obviously a fag based on my flavor selection 2016-10-08T21:40:20 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.181] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T21:40:49 < ReadErr> i dont like the tobacco flavor stuff 2016-10-08T21:40:53 < Rob235> who cares about flavor, whatever tastes good to you 2016-10-08T21:40:56 < Rob235> me neither 2016-10-08T21:41:01 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2016-10-08T21:41:26 < Rob235> my every day vape is my personal blend of 9% vanilla custard, 9% sweet strawberry, 4% cheesecake, and 3% graham cracker 2016-10-08T21:42:28 < Rob235> if using a single flavor though like I said, start at 12% 2016-10-08T21:42:53 < Rob235> I've never used wizardlabs flavors before so I don't know, some companies are more concentrated 2016-10-08T21:44:24 < Rob235> so say you are making 100ml (probably want to start less but its an easy number) do 12ml blueberry, 44ml of the 12mg/ml nicotine solution and 44ml of the VG 2016-10-08T21:45:06 < Rob235> when testing flavors for the first time I usually do 10-20ml batches 2016-10-08T21:45:12 < ReadErr> Rob235: they resell flavors I think 2016-10-08T21:45:21 < ReadErr> like they had different brands of the same type 2016-10-08T21:46:47 < Rob235> I use capella, they are my favorite that I've tested so far 2016-10-08T21:48:27 < Rob235> every few months I spend about $60-$70 2016-10-08T21:48:39 < Rob235> I call my blend skorpion milk 2016-10-08T21:50:11 < Rob235> you are gonna need some patience if you want to start mixing. its so much cheaper but in the beginning when you have to tune your flavors its a bitch 2016-10-08T21:50:45 < Rob235> I dropped down to zero nicotine so the only PG in my juice is from the flavorings 2016-10-08T21:52:22 < Rob235> and as far as menthol crystals you are on your own. I don't like menthol so I never tried it 2016-10-08T21:52:46 < Rob235> I do have some in liquid form for my gf where you just add a few drops but dunno 2016-10-08T21:53:03 < Rob235> am I just talking to myself? hah 2016-10-08T21:53:07 < ReadErr> lol nah 2016-10-08T21:53:21 < ReadErr> so you scorp up ? 2016-10-08T21:56:23 < Rob235> http://imgur.com/a/plCwo 2016-10-08T21:56:53 < Rob235> and youve seen my full bookcase right? 2016-10-08T21:58:23 < Rob235> I have so many condensed flavors (around 50) and I'm just not someone that likes change, I found a flavor that I love and the rest just sit there 2016-10-08T21:58:51 < Rob235> the 50 are 15ml bottles though so they only cost $2-3 each 2016-10-08T22:00:01 < ReadErr> uhhh bookcase? 2016-10-08T22:03:24 < Rob235> one sec 2016-10-08T22:04:23 < Rob235> http://imgur.com/a/yKqz7 2016-10-08T22:04:36 < ReadErr> wtf 2016-10-08T22:04:36 < LeelooMinai> lol 2016-10-08T22:04:48 < Rob235> :) 2016-10-08T22:04:53 < Rob235> its changed a little since then but not much 2016-10-08T22:05:55 < Rob235> I build my own coils (also much cheaper than buying the atomizers for your kanger) but a pain sometimes when you aren't in the mood 2016-10-08T22:08:21 < Rob235> oh looking at the pics I see I do have a couple wizard labs flavors 2016-10-08T22:08:31 < Rob235> fruit loops and pistachio :P 2016-10-08T22:08:34 < Rob235> and a couple behind them 2016-10-08T22:10:14 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: haha, I do not use Android. My main UI is Terminal so I need monospace and I need readable. On that work device I needed monospace too and it's for industry, no fancy UI, just a text menu on monochrome OLED. 2016-10-08T22:14:53 < LeelooMinai> Before I try to look at disassembly, maybe some can assure me that access to first member of a structure should be equivalent to direct access through pointer? 2016-10-08T22:15:31 < LeelooMinai> Say you have struct A {int x} and you access it as a.x or a->x 2016-10-08T22:15:53 < LeelooMinai> I mean from the gcc output perspective. 2016-10-08T22:16:51 < Rob235> so ReadErr, I don't know if I was of any help, or if you have any questions. I'm gonna try to do some drone coding so just ding me (mention me) and i'll see what I can do 2016-10-08T22:17:19 < Rob235> last part was if you had questions of course :) 2016-10-08T22:17:39 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T22:20:37 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: right, the first member of a struct is always at the zero offset. 2016-10-08T22:21:46 < LeelooMinai> Right, I would presume the compiler will not generate any overhead, but just checking - sometimes they pad/align structures, but I think it should not apply to the first member. 2016-10-08T22:22:17 < LeelooMinai> Or lone member. 2016-10-08T22:24:53 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-08T22:36:41 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: they align struct members by default, yes. But the start of the struct is itself maximally aligned, so the first member of any type would no require any pre-padding. 2016-10-08T22:37:10 < LeelooMinai> Right, ok 2016-10-08T22:37:44 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-08T22:38:31 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I guess question is what is "maximally aligned". Would that be same as for the natural CPU type, 32-bit? 2016-10-08T22:39:55 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: "suiable aligned for any built-in type". 2016-10-08T22:40:58 < LeelooMinai> I am wondering because I don't want it to be more aligned that the wrapped uint32_t 2016-10-08T22:41:47 < LeelooMinai> but built in type may be double and it's 8 bytes - so that implies that structures have more restrictive alignment? 2016-10-08T22:43:02 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, gcc, has also attributes like __attribute__((aligned(4),packed)) 2016-10-08T22:43:21 < LeelooMinai> Maybe I could use it to force the alignment to int. 2016-10-08T22:43:41 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: I do not think you should force alignment unless really really necessary. 2016-10-08T22:44:12 < LeelooMinai> Well, I mean tha structure will have only one uint32_t member - it's a wrapper basically. 2016-10-08T22:44:38 < LeelooMinai> I would like it to be more or less equivalent to just uint32_t. 2016-10-08T22:45:06 < Rob235> I hate being tired 2016-10-08T22:45:12 < Rob235> what to do.... 2016-10-08T22:45:29 < LeelooMinai> "looks at the library of vaping vials" 2016-10-08T22:45:53 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: talking about 32-bit x86, "A double (eight bytes) will be 8-byte aligned on Windows and 4-byte aligned on Linux (8-byte with -malign-double compile time option)." 2016-10-08T22:46:01 < Rob235> I meant to wake up, not just something to do :) 2016-10-08T22:47:13 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: do you plan to have an array of those structs? 2016-10-08T22:47:36 < LeelooMinai> Right, that's the case I worry about. 2016-10-08T22:48:03 < Rob235> Say "DONE" when figured out: http://image.buzzhearts.com/media/cache/9e/bf/9ebfe94484d35f27e1827b3e20e1a3d7.jpg 2016-10-08T22:49:33 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: btw, you can probably borrow http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_61_0/libs/serialization/doc/strong_typedef.html 2016-10-08T22:50:11 < Rob235> englishman: you talking to me? its a puzzle, you have to figure it out 2016-10-08T22:50:38 < Rob235> don't take the plus sign literally 2016-10-08T22:50:56 < Rob235> they should have used an arbitrary character 2016-10-08T22:51:16 < LeelooMinai> Well, the last part is a*b 2016-10-08T22:51:37 < Rob235> its not a group effort :) 2016-10-08T22:52:02 < Steffanx> ooh, that did it for me LeelooMinai :P 2016-10-08T22:52:19 < LeelooMinai> The first is a-b? :) 2016-10-08T22:52:20 < Rob235> I was just curious how long it takes other people to figure it out, took me about a minute 2016-10-08T22:52:31 < Rob235> 2 max 2016-10-08T22:52:50 < Steffanx> It's a stupid test Rob235 :P 2016-10-08T22:52:52 < LeelooMinai> And the middle a+b 2016-10-08T22:53:05 < Steffanx> LeelooMinai: just gave you the answer englishman 2016-10-08T22:53:11 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: I was probably wrong about struct alignment... 2016-10-08T22:53:34 < LeelooMinai> The eba-what? :p 2016-10-08T22:53:40 < Rob235> Steffanx: yes and no 2016-10-08T22:53:51 < Rob235> to the stupid test thing 2016-10-08T22:54:04 < Rob235> I like puzzles 2016-10-08T22:54:42 < LeelooMinai> PaulFertser: Wrong on which part? 2016-10-08T22:55:37 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: I do not have the standard handy but some sources say the struct itself needs to be aligned so that the most demanding member is aligned, no more. 2016-10-08T22:55:53 < LeelooMinai> A. member, that's ok though 2016-10-08T22:56:56 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: "The alignment of the structure itself is the alignment of its strictest member" https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.cbcpx01/cbc1p2243.htm so yes, just fine for your purpose. 2016-10-08T22:57:16 < LeelooMinai> englishman: It may be pro, but I think it's not free... 2016-10-08T22:58:07 < LeelooMinai> Cannot beat gcc in popularity 2016-10-08T22:59:47 < LeelooMinai> The point being that if you need some find some details and you use gcc, you have the highest chance. 2016-10-08T23:00:42 < LeelooMinai> And that arm compiler may have good docs, but if you ask some question about it, well... you may be met with silence:) 2016-10-08T23:00:44 < aandrew> yeah I don't use bullshit third party compilers 2016-10-08T23:00:46 < aandrew> gcc4lyfe 2016-10-08T23:02:59 < Rob235> is there a fourth party? or even a second? 2016-10-08T23:03:46 < LeelooMinai> Only if everyone did not get arrested during the first? 2016-10-08T23:04:01 < Rob235> :) 2016-10-08T23:11:48 -!- ka6sox is now known as zz_ka6sox 2016-10-08T23:21:38 < kakimir> http://thebostontribune.com/florida-business-owners-engage-in-shootout-with-looters-31-confirmed-dead/ 2016-10-08T23:21:52 < kakimir> oh not time for lulz yet? 2016-10-08T23:22:07 < kakimir> where my boy laurence? 2016-10-08T23:34:59 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-08T23:39:46 < Rob235> http://lamphousee.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/11-10.jpg 2016-10-08T23:42:02 -!- celeron55_ is now known as celeron55 2016-10-08T23:53:22 < Steffanx> Rob235 is our new Laurenceb replacement? 2016-10-08T23:53:53 < Rob235> wow.. thats insulting :P 2016-10-08T23:58:15 < Rob235> there are these things called words that when combined allow you to pass on knowledge and requests. If you would like me to stop posting links and talking about anything except stm32 then you just have to ask. It may be difficult at first but give it a shot, I believe in you! --- Day changed Sun Oct 09 2016 2016-10-09T00:02:09 < zyp> Rob235, I'm curious, what's the point with that link? 2016-10-09T00:03:34 < Rob235> the ass one? honestly that was unusual for me to post. Sometimes I get sucked into facebook/buzfeed trash and it just kinda happened. 2016-10-09T00:03:56 < LeelooMinai> lol, I wonder why suddenly everyone want's to crucify poor Rob235. There are people here daily posting much more obscene links, and somehow no one objects... 2016-10-09T00:04:30 < LeelooMinai> Double standards I say:p 2016-10-09T00:04:34 < Rob235> maybe I'm just not welcome here, am I annoying? 2016-10-09T00:05:22 < LeelooMinai> Rob235: I would not care on IRC if you are welcome or not:) 2016-10-09T00:05:56 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-09T00:06:51 < Rob235> I don't personally care, but if I'm that guy that just bothers everyone and wants me gone then just let me know. 2016-10-09T00:07:49 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T00:08:10 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-09T00:08:25 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T00:08:59 < Rob235> irc channels have a mix of personalities but within limits, if you don't fit in you find someplace else to hang out 2016-10-09T00:09:11 < LeelooMinai> Rob235: Imagine someone walking into a room with people chilling down and screaming "Am I bothering everyone? Do you want me to go?" :p 2016-10-09T00:09:43 < LeelooMinai> I personally would just sit/talk an do not care about others much. 2016-10-09T00:10:19 < zyp> if you only care about writing stuff and not reading, why not go have a nice chat in ms notepad or something? 2016-10-09T00:10:46 < Rob235> who says I don't care about reading? 2016-10-09T00:10:47 < LeelooMinai> Because ms notepad never talks back? :) 2016-10-09T00:10:57 < zyp> Rob235, no, that was to LeelooMinai 2016-10-09T00:11:02 < Rob235> oh 2016-10-09T00:11:50 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Not sure where you read about not reading... 2016-10-09T00:12:00 < LeelooMinai> Or did you... o_O 2016-10-09T00:12:10 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-41-190.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T00:12:42 < zyp> LeelooMinai, you're the one saying you'll just sit and talk and don't care about others much 2016-10-09T00:13:18 < LeelooMinai> Yes, about what everyone think about you. 2016-10-09T00:13:52 < LeelooMinai> Hawk? 2016-10-09T00:14:29 < LeelooMinai> Not much of an ornitologist, but a guess. 2016-10-09T00:15:16 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@parabox.it-syndikat.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-09T00:16:07 < LeelooMinai> Or thinking "Meh, another on those oversized naked birds that cannot fly" 2016-10-09T00:16:12 < LeelooMinai> of* 2016-10-09T00:22:44 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-09T00:24:24 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T00:26:53 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@parabox.it-syndikat.org] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T00:31:17 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-09T00:32:46 < aandrew> lookslike a hawk to me 2016-10-09T00:32:50 < aandrew> we have a bunch like that around 2016-10-09T00:45:40 -!- theAdib [~theadib@ipservice-092-208-160-021.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-09T00:45:47 < ReadErr> 4:39:33 PM http://lamphousee.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/11-10.jpg 2016-10-09T00:45:54 < ReadErr> way more HQ link than Laurenceb 2016-10-09T01:02:19 < LeelooMinai> As ong as you will not later be a president 2016-10-09T01:02:23 < LeelooMinai> long* 2016-10-09T01:07:31 < kakimir> what did he say? 2016-10-09T01:27:31 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T01:28:58 < Laurenceb_> lulz @ Trump dramaz 2016-10-09T01:30:10 -!- Teeed [~teeed@na1noc.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-09T01:30:17 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-09T01:30:38 < LeelooMinai> Did he do something silly new? I thought he exhausted all the passibilites... 2016-10-09T01:30:41 < Laurenceb_> Trump has a mental age of 14 confirmed 2016-10-09T01:31:03 < LeelooMinai> That's not new:) 2016-10-09T01:31:15 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai: he went full american pie on live mic 2016-10-09T01:31:48 < LeelooMinai> He went stiffler? :) 2016-10-09T01:32:03 < Laurenceb_> the guys in the background sound like they are literally 14 2016-10-09T01:32:14 < Laurenceb_> "the Donald is gunna score.. oh yeah" 2016-10-09T01:33:07 < Laurenceb_> he should just drop out, have plastic surgery to look 14, I'm sure he can afford it 2016-10-09T01:33:17 < Laurenceb_> then hang out at local skate park or something 2016-10-09T01:33:27 < LeelooMinai> Stifler was funny, but I doubt Trump could be that kind of funny - more of a clueless kind. 2016-10-09T01:33:50 < Getty> 14? where you got this? 2016-10-09T01:34:09 < Getty> it is 5, not 14 2016-10-09T01:34:35 < Laurenceb_> take a seat over there 2016-10-09T01:34:39 < LeelooMinai> Right, I think 50% of 14yo may be more mature than Trump. 2016-10-09T01:35:30 < Thorn> >An input reference pin, VREF+ (shared with ADC) is available for better resolution. (context: stm32f4 dac) 2016-10-09T01:35:37 < Thorn> what does it have to do with resolution? 2016-10-09T01:36:09 < Thorn> as in set to low voltage -> obtain better resolution (V/count)? 2016-10-09T01:36:15 < LeelooMinai> Maybe "cleaner". Maybe internal reference is too noisy. 2016-10-09T01:36:33 < Thorn> but noise != resolution, different things 2016-10-09T01:36:35 < LeelooMinai> With all the digital stuff around. 2016-10-09T01:36:54 < LeelooMinai> Noise will affect resolution of course (I mean the effective one, not theoretical) 2016-10-09T01:37:02 < Laurenceb_> they mean "true" resolution 2016-10-09T01:37:27 < Laurenceb_> no temperature bias etc 2016-10-09T01:37:32 < LeelooMinai> You mean the actual bit-length? Where did you read that? 2016-10-09T01:37:43 < Laurenceb_> noooo 2016-10-09T01:37:50 < Laurenceb_> as in actuall 1v, not 1.01v 2016-10-09T01:37:59 < LeelooMinai> A, yes, that's what I meant 2016-10-09T01:38:21 < Laurenceb_> its not really there to reduce noise aiui 2016-10-09T01:38:33 < Laurenceb_> as in random error, its there to take out systematic error 2016-10-09T01:39:04 < Laurenceb_> also to allow more complex systems 2016-10-09T01:39:19 < Laurenceb_> e.g. all your analogue is off a slightly unstable supply 2016-10-09T01:39:34 < Laurenceb_> and output voltage from analogue are proportional to analogue supply 2016-10-09T01:39:42 < Laurenceb_> so use analogue supply as the vref 2016-10-09T01:40:45 < Thorn> ok but I don't get why this is called resolution and not accuracy or something 2016-10-09T01:41:02 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T01:41:06 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-09T01:41:18 < LeelooMinai> Becaues it affects effective resolution? 2016-10-09T01:44:54 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2016-10-09T01:47:43 < Thorn> according to what I'm looking at resolution is affected by DNL and accuracy is affected by INL. and systematic errors would be accounted by the INL 2016-10-09T01:50:19 < Thorn> what would be the effect of a "good" reference connected to Vref+ on (1) INL and (2) DNL 2016-10-09T01:50:28 < Thorn> of the DAC 2016-10-09T01:51:36 -!- zz_ka6sox is now known as ka6sox 2016-10-09T01:54:12 < Laurenceb_> Trump grabbed a pussy https://i.sli.mg/ASk4Sv.png 2016-10-09T01:56:18 -!- wanderman [~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T01:56:23 < Thorn> DNL is basically V(count+1) - V(count) ideal vs. real 2016-10-09T01:58:44 -!- Teeed [~teeed@na1noc.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T02:02:23 < Thorn> wouldn't that be gain error? 2016-10-09T02:03:37 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-09T02:10:17 -!- wanderman [~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-09T02:19:39 < Thorn> I found some youtube lectures with a strong Indian accent 2016-10-09T02:22:53 < LeelooMinai> Indian lectures - 99% of times a fail 2016-10-09T02:25:06 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T02:25:06 < LeelooMinai> Difficult to decipher what they say, monotonous, uninspired, puts you to sleep. 2016-10-09T02:25:44 < LeelooMinai> Like listening to a tape made by a robot. 2016-10-09T02:26:18 < Thorn> deep subjects don't allow for entertaining delivery imo 2016-10-09T02:26:30 < LeelooMinai> It's mine opinion and preference - I say no to Indian lectures. 2016-10-09T02:26:32 < Thorn> you could fall asleep to Oppenheim too if you didn't really care 2016-10-09T02:27:09 < LeelooMinai> It's not about entertainment but a skill in passing knowledge onto others. 2016-10-09T02:27:33 < LeelooMinai> Unless you believe that there are no bad teachers. 2016-10-09T02:27:53 < LeelooMinai> Then ok, listen to indian lectures - I don't really care:p 2016-10-09T02:29:04 < LeelooMinai> Yes, and A chinese one "if a bird has to use the stairs, then one needs to build two elevators" 2016-10-09T02:31:18 * LeelooMinai lols at Rob235 2016-10-09T02:31:24 < LeelooMinai> R2COM* 2016-10-09T02:35:58 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLNp7XoiSLQYygYw8Mzt763zZCQdzCZcd oppenheim 6.007 2016-10-09T02:38:14 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: So why did you choose this guy instead of numerous Indian ones on youtube? 2016-10-09T02:40:50 < Laurenceb_> before latex offsets http://hackaday.com/2016/10/08/the-haunting-last-day-of-hot-metal-typesetting-at-the-new-york-times/#comments 2016-10-09T02:40:59 < Laurenceb_> take a grinder to the layout 2016-10-09T02:41:01 < LeelooMinai> And he probably speaks English well, is good at conveying information, etc. 2016-10-09T02:41:58 < Laurenceb_> das wacist 2016-10-09T02:42:11 < Laurenceb_> and also very accurate 2016-10-09T02:49:51 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T02:50:17 < aandrew> I tried to do a coursera course on digital systems. easy peasy stuff. could not get beyond the guy's (italian?) accent 2016-10-09T02:50:59 < aandrew> Robert Ferenec's stuff is also very diffiuclt to get through due to his strong accent 2016-10-09T02:52:01 < LeelooMinai> I like how he says "video" :p 2016-10-09T02:55:01 < Thorn> there're Julius Smith videos in a current coursera course btw (in "advanced material" tabs). they are unlisted on youtube and not available anywhere else afaik 2016-10-09T02:55:53 < Thorn> https://www.coursera.org/learn/audio-signal-processing/ 2016-10-09T02:59:41 < LeelooMinai> Anyone knows something that would display .lst output in two columns? 2016-10-09T02:59:49 < LeelooMinai> Instead of: http://i.imgur.com/MFAmKrh.png 2016-10-09T03:00:18 < LeelooMinai> I wish the source code was in separate code from the assembly:/ 2016-10-09T03:00:24 < LeelooMinai> code=column 2016-10-09T03:04:23 < Thorn> looks like a job for a pretty simple python script 2016-10-09T03:05:07 < Thorn> source code lines can be identified by **** 2016-10-09T03:05:37 < LeelooMinai> I meant something more than just text file - viewer with two side by side panes, that are synchronized and you can change their width, scroll, etc. 2016-10-09T03:06:18 < Thorn> iirc there are viewers that can show files side by side 2016-10-09T03:06:38 < Thorn> open source ones 2016-10-09T03:06:54 < LeelooMinai> But there needs in synchronisation too. 2016-10-09T03:07:09 < LeelooMinai> But I wan't both, just not intewoven like this. 2016-10-09T03:08:08 < LeelooMinai> Asked in case someone already wrote a viewerr like this, but I guess not. 2016-10-09T03:08:38 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: hm, so you want the C source to be indented more than the assembly source? 2016-10-09T03:10:01 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, not sure if such primitive way would work well. 2016-10-09T03:10:14 < LeelooMinai> Considering that some lines are super-long, etc. 2016-10-09T03:10:51 < aandrew> right 2016-10-09T03:11:00 < aandrew> I'm not aware of anything, although I admit something like that would be handy 2016-10-09T03:11:18 -!- gxti [~gxti@columbia.partiallystapled.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-09T03:11:24 < LeelooMinai> Also, the C++ code is prefixed with those long pathnames - those would need to be gone probably and available as maybe pop-ups or something. 2016-10-09T03:12:06 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2016-10-09T03:12:26 < LeelooMinai> Or a third pane that you can hide. 2016-10-09T03:16:09 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-09T03:21:44 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T03:29:04 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-09T03:30:08 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-09T03:34:30 < dongs> on a typical meanwell industrial power shit 2016-10-09T03:34:44 < dongs> can i connect the AC G to board gnd 2016-10-09T03:34:47 < dongs> or just +/- 2016-10-09T03:37:01 < LeelooMinai> What is AC G... earth? 2016-10-09T03:37:26 < dongs> yeah. solved anyway, its isolated supply 2016-10-09T03:38:03 < LeelooMinai> TO metal case probably would be sane 2016-10-09T03:50:09 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-09T03:50:25 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T03:51:30 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T04:09:58 < Laurenceb_> wut 2016-10-09T04:10:01 < Laurenceb_> DLC 2016-10-09T04:25:46 < aandrew> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/costas-loop interesting discussion 2016-10-09T04:26:13 < LeelooMinai> Wrong link I think 2016-10-09T04:26:33 < LeelooMinai> Or one has to register? :/ 2016-10-09T04:29:17 < LeelooMinai> Needed backslash at the end: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/costas-loop/ 2016-10-09T04:29:25 < LeelooMinai> Or slash 2016-10-09T04:31:04 < aandrew> ah 2016-10-09T04:31:06 < aandrew> sorry about that 2016-10-09T04:32:08 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T04:32:40 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-09T04:34:02 < aandrew> jesus 2016-10-09T04:34:21 < aandrew> I selected the JST EH connector series because they were fairly small for higher current motor connections 2016-10-09T04:34:29 < aandrew> they're fucking HUGE on the PCB 2016-10-09T04:34:32 < dongs> lol 2016-10-09T04:34:44 < aandrew> might have to go with vertical connectors instead of right angle 2016-10-09T04:35:06 < aandrew> feels like I'll never get this fucking board routed 2016-10-09T04:35:24 < aandrew> it would have been easier to start all over than to try to modify the existing board 2016-10-09T04:38:03 < aandrew> it's funny how everything looks so huge on the screen but in reality it's all pretty small 2016-10-09T04:38:18 < aandrew> those connectors are slightly smaller than 0.1" headers, they're just WIDE to account for the plastic 2016-10-09T04:38:48 < LeelooMinai> "it looked bigger in Altium..." <- I had this thought a number in times 2016-10-09T04:38:54 < LeelooMinai> of times* 2016-10-09T04:39:37 < LeelooMinai> Because if something is small you just zoom in and problem solved. 2016-10-09T04:43:18 < aandrew> c/c++ is for systems courses, donchaknow 2016-10-09T04:44:31 -!- dohzer [~dohzer@59-102-29-141.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T04:45:07 < aandrew> heh 2016-10-09T04:45:20 < aandrew> I'm not sure whether to be proud of not... my 15yo son is doing an english project on Mein Kamph 2016-10-09T04:45:23 < aandrew> Kampf 2016-10-09T04:45:49 < LeelooMinai> "And he has a Nazi flag on the ciling" 2016-10-09T04:45:54 < LeelooMinai> ceiling* 2016-10-09T04:46:08 < aandrew> haha no 2016-10-09T04:46:14 < aandrew> he is rather obsessed with WW2 though 2016-10-09T04:46:33 < aandrew> ah, less surprising 2016-10-09T04:46:52 < aandrew> it's about To Kill a Mockingbird, but he's including research into prejudices by doing some work with Mein Kampf 2016-10-09T04:48:22 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-09T04:54:13 -!- gxti [~gxti@cpe-75-189-205-52.nc.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T04:58:40 -!- Rickta59_ [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T05:01:16 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-09T05:02:16 -!- Rickta59_ [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-09T05:02:30 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T05:11:01 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T05:14:22 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-09T05:31:39 -!- fenugrec [~Q@108.161.164.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-09T05:31:50 -!- fenugrec [~Q@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T05:41:32 -!- fenugrec [~Q@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-09T05:45:21 -!- BillS [~IceChat9@112.201.14.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T05:45:51 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, so I am checking that my C++ generates sane assembly code, but I did not do any ARM asm in the past, so some things are non-obvious to me. 2016-10-09T05:46:35 < LeelooMinai> For example, line 44: http://i.imgur.com/rE8yiUo.png 2016-10-09T05:47:02 < LeelooMinai> movs r2, $5 <- what exacly does this accomplish? 2016-10-09T05:47:06 < LeelooMinai> #5 2016-10-09T05:47:42 < LeelooMinai> From docs it is supposed to move 5 into R2 and set flags - isn't that pointles? 2016-10-09T05:48:40 < LeelooMinai> I mean the next instruction overwrites it anyways... 2016-10-09T05:49:17 < LeelooMinai> E, wait, str stores r2 not into r2, nm 2016-10-09T05:49:29 < BillS> LeelooMinai, you might look at the doc at http://www.arm.com/products/processors/instruction-set-architectures/index.php 2016-10-09T05:50:26 < LeelooMinai> Right, no, I am looking, just thought that everything is reg1 <- reg2, but it depends on the instruction 2016-10-09T05:50:27 < BillS> It covers all the variants of the ARM and should help you understand what is happening. 2016-10-09T05:51:40 < LeelooMinai> I guess the main idea is that mnemonic is a verb-like and operates on the first argument (?) so str r1, r2 would be "store r1 into r2", but ldr r1, r2 is "load r1 with r2"? 2016-10-09T05:52:27 < LeelooMinai> But anyways, now that disassembly is clear. 2016-10-09T05:52:32 < BillS> Indeed, look at the instruction formats to get a better idea. 2016-10-09T05:52:48 < LeelooMinai> And what I wanted - everything collapsed and inlined into optimal code. 2016-10-09T05:52:56 < BillS> The formats to start with, not the individual instructions. 2016-10-09T05:53:30 < LeelooMinai> Right, I did it 10 minutes ago - read about pre and post indexing modes, etc. 2016-10-09T05:54:14 < BillS> You will see the pattern. I am guessing you are more familiar with CISC machines and you know the ARM is RISC. Many instructions are optimized for C and C++ so at first glance code may appear conviluted. 2016-10-09T05:54:39 < BillS> Sorry about spelling ... 2016-10-09T05:54:59 < LeelooMinai> Right, that's ok, I just need to verify the disassembly a bit. Don't really need to go super-indepth and to write asm. 2016-10-09T05:56:35 < BillS> I understand. If you are using say Gnu C or C++ you can likely trust the code. To be sure, check for errata pertaining to particular machine which you are cross-compiling for. Gnu is quite stable, so I suggest you trust the code generated. 2016-10-09T05:57:17 < LeelooMinai> Right, I am using GNU ARM toolchain - with gcc 5.4 I believe. 2016-10-09T05:57:59 < BillS> You also should get familiar with register usage for C++, there are assumptions made about registers that you must, if you write ASM, you should preserve or be aware of. 2016-10-09T05:59:14 < BillS> Are you using GNU C++ 5.4 also? 2016-10-09T05:59:24 < LeelooMinai> Right though I see no scenario where I would need to implement a C/C++ callable function in asm. Except some system stuff maybe, but I already have "stolen" that from what CubeMX generated. 2016-10-09T05:59:36 < LeelooMinai> Yes, full c++14 features. 2016-10-09T06:00:31 < LeelooMinai> But no HAL. FreeRTOS bare metal I guess. 2016-10-09T06:01:02 < BillS> Sorry, I use CubeMX only for quick pin assignments (visual only). I find the code generated really messy ... HAL is not very clean. 2016-10-09T06:01:11 < LeelooMinai> (no idea what is precise "bare metal" definition) 2016-10-09T06:01:30 < LeelooMinai> Right, I only generated some startup files this time. 2016-10-09T06:01:44 < LeelooMinai> Won't really use CubeMX for any code. 2016-10-09T06:02:48 < LeelooMinai> I tried, but got depressed eventually. 2016-10-09T06:03:04 < LeelooMinai> Too much C vs C++ schism. 2016-10-09T06:03:23 < BillS> Well, the startup files are good guidelines. I am often wanting to init say the GPIOs once so I consolidate the ports, for instance. Having multiple copies of essentially the same code eats on-board flash which can be in short supply. 2016-10-09T06:04:44 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I had idea for this too with C++ - to use constexpr evaluation at compile time to nicelly collapse all initialization. I did it already in some code earlier and it worked great. 2016-10-09T06:05:00 < BillS> I don't write much C++ ... I have been writing C since K&R beginning and know enough to implement limits checking, for instance, in my code. I don't need the language adding libraries to do it. 2016-10-09T06:06:32 < LeelooMinai> I don't really use any C++ libraries. I use it for features like proper enums, namespaces, strong typing, oop syntax, compile time evaluation, no need for macros, better modularisation, etc. 2016-10-09T06:07:23 < LeelooMinai> I disable exceptions, rtti and use the nano mode of the toolchain. So it's more like super-C usage with no overhead. 2016-10-09T06:07:48 < BillS> That is for constants compression. Why have a subroutine to set Pin 9 of GPIOA to output, then again another subroutine to set Pins 2,3 and 8 of GPIOA as inputs? Declaring the same structures each time, blah blah. 2016-10-09T06:08:28 < BillS> That is what I mean. No compiler switch or model will do that. It is all about the design. 2016-10-09T06:09:13 < BillS> What is the target CPU you are building for? 2016-10-09T06:09:21 < LeelooMinai> stm32l432kc 2016-10-09T06:09:38 < LeelooMinai> Kind of overkill for this project, but great for debugging it:) 2016-10-09T06:09:52 < LeelooMinai> 64KB of RAM and 256K of flash. 2016-10-09T06:10:04 < LeelooMinai> But very low power. 2016-10-09T06:10:45 < LeelooMinai> Sits of this board I made: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/28403394320 2016-10-09T06:10:55 < dongs> i wonder how much lower htan F401 2016-10-09T06:11:01 < BillS> Don't know the project, but I really like the compatibility support (from an electronics engineering standpoint) across the line. ST has done a good job at vertical compatibility. 2016-10-09T06:11:24 < dongs> the only advantage of L4 seems to be exti wake up 2016-10-09T06:11:27 < LeelooMinai> It's I think 84μA per MHz, but has tons of low poer options/modes 2016-10-09T06:12:13 < dongs> 128uA for F401 2016-10-09T06:12:29 < BillS> Yes, this line is great for battery powered stuff. Very versitile indeed! 2016-10-09T06:12:50 < BillS> Nice looking board. Curious, what is it? 2016-10-09T06:12:55 < LeelooMinai> Right, well, it's L series - it's supposed to be good for low power designs. My boards runs from cr2032 2016-10-09T06:13:04 < dongs> does it 2016-10-09T06:13:18 < dongs> do you know max draw from CR3023 is like a couple mA or something 2016-10-09T06:13:27 < dongs> er 2032 whatever 2016-10-09T06:13:30 < LeelooMinai> The board is supposed to grab data from digital indicator and send it over RF 2016-10-09T06:13:50 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Yes, I researched it first. 2016-10-09T06:13:53 < dongs> 15mA peak 2016-10-09T06:14:20 < BillS> Yes, but you can get compatible Lithium rechargeable as well. Might be charged from energy scavenger also controlled by ARM ... just musing. 2016-10-09T06:14:43 < LeelooMinai> That's why I have big cap there to "fix" the possible draw problems, but I do not even intend to eat more than maybe 12mA in tiny bursts. 2016-10-09T06:15:12 < LeelooMinai> At last that's what I saw with M1K when debugging - seems fine. 2016-10-09T06:15:31 < LeelooMinai> While using the RF chip I will put the mcu to sleep anyways. 2016-10-09T06:15:52 < LeelooMinai> Right, that's the paper I read actually. 2016-10-09T06:16:10 < LeelooMinai> They suggest that big cap there:) 2016-10-09T06:16:18 < dongs> i think i saw that when o6 was assburering some project with me few years ago 2016-10-09T06:16:20 < BillS> I do a lot of battery backed stuff. A cap to supply energy to TX is a very good idea. Careful however when battery voltage is low. MCU is not the power pig anyway, but save, save, save is the name of the game for long life. 2016-10-09T06:17:07 < LeelooMinai> That's why I bought this M1K - to know what's going on in terms of power usage. 2016-10-09T06:17:14 < BillS> You might want to use an A/D to monitor that if the RF chip doesn't. Possibly add a message over RF link ... battery low. 2016-10-09T06:17:54 < LeelooMinai> Right, I connected battery voltage to ADC input "just in case" on the design. 2016-10-09T06:20:24 < BillS> Excellent, I always design assuming things will fail, and they always do somehow, and try always to issue "warning Will Robinson, destruction imminent" messages. 2016-10-09T06:22:07 < BillS> The reference is from an old American TV show, Lost in Space. Robot was always running around saying "Warning Will Robinson". 2016-10-09T06:22:23 < LeelooMinai> Right, I know - did not watch the show though:) 2016-10-09T06:22:39 < LeelooMinai> The oldest one I remember (sci-fi one) was Space 1999 2016-10-09T06:22:59 < LeelooMinai> I used to draw their "Eagle" ships. 2016-10-09T06:23:14 < BillS> Okay, just thought I would mention it. Possible you are in Hungary to Korea, on IRC you never know where people are. 2016-10-09T06:23:26 < LeelooMinai> Canada:) 2016-10-09T06:24:43 < BillS> Oh, American here. Sounds like you have been engineering a while. If the pix are your shop at home, I am a bit jealous. I have semi-retired to Asia and could not bring my whole shop with me. 2016-10-09T06:25:18 < LeelooMinai> I am relatively new to EE. Picked it as a hobby maybe 4-5 years ago. Used to be a programmer. 2016-10-09T06:26:54 < LeelooMinai> BillS: Are you new to this channel? 2016-10-09T06:27:02 < BillS> Ah, started as EE and naturally programming was a necessity (that was in the 60s) when industry was very different. So mind set is keep compact and simple ... 2016-10-09T06:27:57 < BillS> Yes, I am new to channel LeelooMinai. I looked in 18 hours ago and almost decided to not return. Nobody talking about STM just garbage for a few hours. 2016-10-09T06:28:18 < LeelooMinai> Right, I was just thinking that you must be new... 2016-10-09T06:28:44 < LeelooMinai> ... because you talk like in RL, instead of throwing vulgar lanbguage and links to deviant behaviour around:p 2016-10-09T06:29:29 < BillS> Yes, but when I go somewhere for information, I am not really interested in listening to children or fools. 2016-10-09T06:30:03 < LeelooMinai> Or trolls - but IRC is not a good place for that imo:) 2016-10-09T06:31:06 < BillS> Thanks, I find that using RL in a way that is respectful usually gets better results than acting the idiot child. LOL 2016-10-09T06:32:20 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-09T06:34:28 < BillS> I have been using Eagle for PC designs. What are you using? 2016-10-09T06:34:57 < dongs> < BillS> Yes, I am new to channel LeelooMinai. I looked in 18 hours ago and almost decided to not return. Nobody talking about STM just garbage for a few hours. 2016-10-09T06:35:02 < dongs> blame LeelooMinai on that one 2016-10-09T06:35:10 < aandrew> heh 2016-10-09T06:35:20 < LeelooMinai> I use Altium. 2016-10-09T06:35:38 < aandrew> BillS: unfortunately this channel does also serve as a dumping ground for the people here who are otherwise bored uot of their minds and want to troll 2016-10-09T06:35:54 < LeelooMinai> I don't talk "garbage", that's the domain of the usual suspects here:p 2016-10-09T06:36:19 < aandrew> BillS: I don't mean to be a dick about it, but welcome to IRC. A thick skin and patience are both required to make effective use of this particular tool 2016-10-09T06:36:19 < dongs> aandrew: who would that be 2016-10-09T06:36:30 < aandrew> dongs: quite a few people here 2016-10-09T06:36:34 < BillS> Ah, have not tried that yet (Altium). Yes, aandrew, I certainly saw that and almost didn't return to channel. 2016-10-09T06:36:53 < aandrew> myself included. IRC tends to be a "stream of consciousness" media where we can vent or just talk shit 2016-10-09T06:37:39 < aandrew> BillS: I used eagle for almost/over 20 years. I have recently (this year) switched to Altium. I refuse to pay another dime to Cadsoft until they stop fucking around and actually try to compete. 2016-10-09T06:37:41 < LeelooMinai> That's normal, but this channel seems to be some kind o Social Injustice Warrior safe space - ironically too, since they accuse many people on being SWJs:) 2016-10-09T06:37:42 < BillS> I wish STM would put up a channel and vet members to those who have engineering/programming accounts. That would perhaps, stop the shit. 2016-10-09T06:37:52 < dongs> lol. 2016-10-09T06:38:10 < aandrew> BillS: if you want that, visit their forums. But be forewarned: look at other vendor forums (microchip, cypress, even Nordic) and you'll see why people come back here 2016-10-09T06:38:25 < dongs> ST forums are fucking awful 2016-10-09T06:38:32 < aandrew> all forums are awful 2016-10-09T06:38:42 < LeelooMinai> Forums are too slow:) 2016-10-09T06:38:57 < LeelooMinai> 1 day ping - fail 2016-10-09T06:38:59 < BillS> Aandres, what I don't like about a Eagle is having to make parts before you can design with them. That process can be verrrrrrrrrry time consuming. Yes ST forums are terrible. 2016-10-09T06:39:05 < aandrew> slow, full of idiotic emoticons, shitty interfaces, no useful threading or notification.. ugh. 2016-10-09T06:39:43 < aandrew> BillS: that's the same in every EDA package. You can either make your own, use other people's libraries (lots on github) at risk of great peril, or pay for something like Altium's vault and STILL end up making your own footprints for many things :-) 2016-10-09T06:39:50 < LeelooMinai> BillS: I found, in the past, that Something called DIPTrace is a pretty decent EDA for not too high price. 2016-10-09T06:39:59 < dongs> < aandrew> slow, full of idiotic emoticons 2016-10-09T06:40:02 < aandrew> I ahve 20 years worth of footprints that kept me on Eagle for far too long because I didn't want to have to convert them over 2016-10-09T06:40:03 < dongs> reminds me of some user on this channel 2016-10-09T06:40:36 < BillS> What serious people (those who are actually using ST parts for instance) who want to exchange info. Aandrew, have you published any of your libraries? 2016-10-09T06:41:03 < aandrew> BillS: there are some interesting cloud based systems (upverter, circuit studio, etc.) but IMO if you're wise you will sucker punch the person suggesting them and then run, not walk, but run in the opposite direction 2016-10-09T06:41:34 < aandrew> BillS: I haven't published any of my libraries, more out of lack of desire of supporting them than anything else 2016-10-09T06:41:42 < aandrew> BillS: we're all using ST parts here 2016-10-09T06:42:04 < LeelooMinai> The safest way is to learn making footprints/parts. In EDAs other than Eagle, it's much easier too. 2016-10-09T06:42:16 < aandrew> a couple of my recent boards: http://imgur.com/BI7v6Bc and http://imgur.com/oiOjozs 2016-10-09T06:42:29 < aandrew> I'm actually working on rev2 of that second one tonight (I'll be up all night I expect) 2016-10-09T06:42:49 < BillS> I don't believe in cloud based stuff for important designs. It has too many vunerabilities, not to mention it makes one the slave to the cloud and who knows who monitors that. 2016-10-09T06:42:53 < aandrew> I do have to give credit where due though: of all the EDA packages I've used, Altium's footprint creation is by far the best 2016-10-09T06:43:18 < aandrew> BillS: good man, you're one of us. Now start swearing and posting dumb links here and you'll fit right in :-) 2016-10-09T06:43:28 < BillS> I will check that out Aandrew. 2016-10-09T06:43:39 < LeelooMinai> Being a racist/bigot will help too. 2016-10-09T06:43:51 < BillS> Hahahaha! That is only when I am off my meds. LOL 2016-10-09T06:44:03 < aandrew> at least for me, I throw down the pads, then grab the 3D STEP or IGES file and put it down, then tweak it and done. 2016-10-09T06:44:55 < aandrew> actually we have a couple people in here who are legit on meds for mental issues 2016-10-09T06:45:29 < LeelooMinai> So there are people without mental issues here too? Where? 2016-10-09T06:45:38 < BillS> Oh, I thought I was alone in that ... LOL We are soooooooooo misunderstood. 2016-10-09T06:46:26 < LeelooMinai> #stm32mentalasylum 2016-10-09T06:46:40 < aandrew> I think there are a couple people here who are on the spectrum 2016-10-09T06:46:46 < aandrew> some more than others 2016-10-09T06:47:02 < BillS> You guys make me really laugh. I take spectrum silver, the powerful stuff. 2016-10-09T06:47:26 < aandrew> you don't get conversation like this on forums. take the good with the bad :-) 2016-10-09T06:49:01 < BillS> You mean the bots are just smarter here? 2016-10-09T06:49:35 < aandrew> I'm not aware of any bots here. there are in other channels on IRC but here I think all of our inanity is organic 2016-10-09T06:50:03 < aandrew> who was the guy here last week who I was convinved was a bot using hidden markov chains? 2016-10-09T06:50:30 < BillS> Oh, but I am a spectrum model bot, silver A32F759 LOL 2016-10-09T06:53:13 < BillS> I run massively parallel markov and goal is to design coin cell size supercomputer to take over the world's communications. Perhaps plant it in the head of some NWO dictator. 2016-10-09T06:53:36 < BillS> Anyone with a greater goal, over. 2016-10-09T06:54:25 < aandrew> yep. become filthy rich off of my STM32 sexbot sales 2016-10-09T06:54:36 < aandrew> STM32F7 is out, there's some serious horsepower there for teledildonics 2016-10-09T06:55:39 < BillS> Okay, another important aspect. Keep the masses placated by instilling sex addiction. A hundred years ago it was religion, but yours is more fun. 2016-10-09T06:56:19 < aandrew> you'll never go broke playing to human vices 2016-10-09T06:57:50 < BillS> Yes, Look at the STM32F746 modules and support. I have been working with Emcraft and uLinux. These are awsome boards http://www.emcraft.com/products/413 2016-10-09T06:58:36 < aandrew> that's what rev2 of that second board I linked is using 2016-10-09T06:59:10 < aandrew> why in the HELL would you put uClinux on STM32F7 2016-10-09T06:59:11 < aandrew> good god 2016-10-09T06:59:39 < BillS> I know Kent and the design team well and they are going like bandits delivering linux on mcu platforms. 2016-10-09T06:59:41 < aandrew> I spent many, many years in uClinux land on ColdFire, Analog Devices DSP of some kind I can't remember and another CPU I can't remember now 2016-10-09T07:00:50 < BillS> Good question, simple answer, HUGE amount of working solutions run out of the box. Plus, who has time to build an OS that handles many complex tasks? 2016-10-09T07:01:13 < aandrew> there are a few really good RTOSes, even free ones, for STM32 2016-10-09T07:01:28 < aandrew> uClinux is a hell of a hack and on something as small as an STM32F7... ew. 2016-10-09T07:01:43 < BillS> Sure, I can port an RDB and build a TCP/IP stack, but why? 2016-10-09T07:01:53 < aandrew> LWIP is already there and works 2016-10-09T07:02:10 < aandrew> the first board uses LWIP and PPP over that Telit cell modem 2016-10-09T07:02:25 < aandrew> a board that's coming up next uses an F407 and LWIP for SNMP shit 2016-10-09T07:02:42 < aandrew> there's really *no* need for uClinux aside from "ooh it's linux, I know this!" 2016-10-09T07:02:48 < aandrew> and then it explodes the first time they try to vfork() 2016-10-09T07:03:12 < aandrew> oh here's a question for you BillS 2016-10-09T07:03:31 < BillS> Sure, but now, add DB support, a web server with SSL, SSH, maybe some management system. Of course vfork cannot work. Just because someone knows Linux does not mean they know uClinux. 2016-10-09T07:03:33 < aandrew> IRC is an antiquated and weird thing these days... how did you end up here? 2016-10-09T07:04:06 < LeelooMinai> BillS: Why not SoC + stm32 for real-time tasks then. 2016-10-09T07:04:19 < aandrew> BillS: totally agreed, but again, if you want DB and SSL/SSH etc you probably either are approaching the problem wrong if you're trying ot do that on STM32 or are looking for a quick hack and uClinux fits the bill 2016-10-09T07:04:22 < LeelooMinai> Linux running on SoC that is - there's tons of boards for that already. 2016-10-09T07:04:28 < BillS> Yes, IRC is antiquated. But, sometimes when you turn over a rock you find a nugget of gold. 2016-10-09T07:04:39 < aandrew> shit covered gold, but ok :-) 2016-10-09T07:05:24 < aandrew> hell, if you really need that I'm sure it'd be MUCH better to run micropython on STM32 under FreeRTOS or something 2016-10-09T07:05:37 < BillS> I have built complex systems without benefit of a hardened OS and it is no small task. In fact it is enormous. 2016-10-09T07:05:40 < aandrew> you're right, it'll sell, but that doesn't mean it's a good product 2016-10-09T07:05:46 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: "Never go full retard" :p 2016-10-09T07:06:02 < aandrew> BillS: it is difficult, but I really don't think uClinux is a good answer for ANY problem 2016-10-09T07:06:46 < aandrew> either stump up for a real CPU and run Linux, or do it right. uClinux was a "hey, I wonder if I can get Linux to run on MMUless architecures?" that caught on because it's just good enough to function, but not well 2016-10-09T07:07:58 < aandrew> wtf louis rossman is now live streaming entire 6h work shifts 2016-10-09T07:07:59 < aandrew> hahaha 2016-10-09T07:09:06 < LeelooMinai> He is? 2016-10-09T07:09:17 * LeelooMinai googles who is Louis Rossman 2016-10-09T07:09:42 < BillS> Aandrew, what about security issues for example. I have optimized the STM32F746 and can get great IP performance, run lots of software I don't have to build. Sure there are better embedded solutions, I am still thinking like a business man. I no longer have 25 experienced embedded programmers who I can assign a 25 man year project to. 2016-10-09T07:09:43 < LeelooMinai> Ok, done, EE repairman suied by Apple 2016-10-09T07:10:17 < dongs> rossman is such a faggot 2016-10-09T07:10:28 < dongs> did he make a patreon yet 2016-10-09T07:10:59 < aandrew> you'll be spending a lot of time maintaining a uClinux distro, but you are putting an embedded device on the "raw" internet? 2016-10-09T07:11:05 < aandrew> dongs: nah he hates patreon 2016-10-09T07:11:12 < LeelooMinai> dongs is local classic instruments expert: specializes in fagotti 2016-10-09T07:11:34 < aandrew> that sounds like some kind of pasta 2016-10-09T07:12:05 < dongs> any idea which disk wiping software replaces blank shit wiht 'q' 2016-10-09T07:12:19 < BillS> Most of my requirements are cost-effective (embedded) solutions to business problems where the need for functionality is greater than the cool-need or elegant-need or I can do it better (in 2 years) need. 2016-10-09T07:12:44 < aandrew> agreed 2016-10-09T07:13:09 < aandrew> I think we just disagree on whether uClinux makes good business sense 2016-10-09T07:13:17 < aandrew> out of curiousity, what kinds of products do you build 2016-10-09T07:14:36 < BillS> Just before I semi-retired I built very high-performance networking/security products for the US. Verifyability was paramount and so was time. 2016-10-09T07:15:48 < aandrew> and you used uClinux? 2016-10-09T07:16:04 < aandrew> an aside: altium's copy and paste is fucking awesome 2016-10-09T07:16:20 < BillS> No, not for those, but for tools to verify them, certainly. 2016-10-09T07:16:32 < BillS> Or logging. 2016-10-09T07:16:48 < aandrew> select, copy, move crosshair to a handy reference point, paste, move paste origin to relative spot on paste site, and BOOM the copy is exact and all the nets instantly update to the correct (new) net names 2016-10-09T07:16:55 < aandrew> *nods* 2016-10-09T07:17:19 < aandrew> I wonder if something like embedded python would have made that faster (the testing/logging part) 2016-10-09T07:17:36 < aandrew> I've never used it, I am not a good python programmer at all 2016-10-09T07:17:41 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-09T07:17:46 < aandrew> straight C. LeelooMinai likes to use C++ and SystemVerilog 2016-10-09T07:17:58 < dongs> aandrew: yea its awesome 2016-10-09T07:18:13 < aandrew> dongs programs in pure natto-inspired hate 2016-10-09T07:18:20 < aandrew> natto-fueled rather 2016-10-09T07:18:24 < BillS> Often, one needs to accumulate masses of data, pre-process it and store-n-forward for analysis later. No, python is a language not a solution. I write python and know well the limitations ... not good for analysis. 2016-10-09T07:18:55 < aandrew> why would you *analyze* on STM32? I figured you were using it as a megalogger that just dumped the data to something a lot more powerful 2016-10-09T07:19:30 < aandrew> also semiretired... so you're an old fart or just one of those lucky bastards who's retired at 40? 2016-10-09T07:19:30 < dongs> python is never a solution 2016-10-09T07:20:20 * LeelooMinai thinks "I was just checking if my C++ compiles into nice asm and they are talking running python on stm32..." 2016-10-09T07:20:22 < aandrew> englishman: nah, this is a jeez dude: https://youtu.be/T-TljqEQ-tc?t=34 2016-10-09T07:21:16 < BillS> Cannot discuss how pre-analysis might be applied to the problems I was tasked to solve. They were VERY pattern sensitive and DSP / ARM is well suited to certain types of analysis. But the amount of data coming in is TERRIFYINGLY HUGE so some filtering is required. 2016-10-09T07:21:26 < LeelooMinai> My heart is racing when I start imagine what code results from some pythin script on ARM:p 2016-10-09T07:22:15 < aandrew> BillS: no worries, just curiosu 2016-10-09T07:22:21 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: haha 2016-10-09T07:22:28 < aandrew> you're not supposed to think about that 2016-10-09T07:23:03 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T07:23:03 < LeelooMinai> Right, "no worries, it will work" 2016-10-09T07:24:18 < BillS> Python has it's uses LeelooMinai. It is not my choice though. I really don't like languages that remove me from the hardware soooooooooo very far. I grew up when computers were built in discrete transistors/diodes. As a result, I understand all too well the trades to be made in hardware/software and want, always, to stay as close to the hardware/instructions as possible. 2016-10-09T07:25:32 < LeelooMinai> Well, python is more or less scripting language - it's pretty scary in terms of resources it will eat. So combine this with a microcontroller... 2016-10-09T07:26:31 < BillS> Natural then was "C". One has only to know the language syntax/symantics well and remember that you cannot assume anything. If one understands how, you can get lots of type checking as well. One cannot replace good design with languages/tools that allow one to be cavalier. 2016-10-09T07:26:35 < aandrew> ok the live stream is actually kind of amusing 2016-10-09T07:26:42 < aandrew> he is reading them and it's full of trols 2016-10-09T07:26:45 < aandrew> "do you even fap, bro" 2016-10-09T07:26:55 < aandrew> "where's your porn?" "on my home computer" 2016-10-09T07:27:00 < aandrew> "this chan is cancer" "yeah, I agree" 2016-10-09T07:27:01 < aandrew> hahaha 2016-10-09T07:27:59 < BillS> I think I need more Centrum ... brain is short circuited by phython squeezing ... 2016-10-09T07:33:22 < aandrew> I swear dongs is on the live chats 2016-10-09T07:33:31 < aandrew> "Louis, an apple engineer could fix this much faster" 2016-10-09T07:34:33 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-09T07:38:23 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/k2VnZ 2016-10-09T07:38:26 < aandrew> progress 2016-10-09T07:40:57 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-09T07:41:30 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T07:42:33 -!- gxti_ [~gxti@columbia.partiallystapled.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T07:43:22 < BillS> Aandrew, what is this board? See what I am guessing are lots of inductors and chips, no large caps, so not a power supply? 2016-10-09T07:43:31 -!- gxti [~gxti@cpe-75-189-205-52.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Raspberry Heaven, I'm coming back to you!] 2016-10-09T07:44:09 < aandrew> those six huge caps down the middle are electrolytics 2016-10-09T07:44:09 -!- gxti_ is now known as gxti 2016-10-09T07:44:13 < aandrew> it's a motor control board 2016-10-09T07:44:30 < aandrew> but yes, there's a 3s lipoly plugging into that big white connector on the bottom right 2016-10-09T07:45:13 < aandrew> the two power supplies (3.3V and 5.25V) are on the two bottom corners 2016-10-09T07:45:33 < BillS> Oops, I misread it ... looked like inductor pads. Just curious. 2016-10-09T07:46:48 < BillS> What kind of motor? 2016-10-09T07:46:58 < aandrew> 6 DC motors, nothing fancy 2016-10-09T07:47:16 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T07:47:24 < BillS> So 6 channels of PWM controllers? 2016-10-09T07:47:31 < aandrew> yes 2016-10-09T07:47:58 < aandrew> the little SC70-6 by each PWM IC steer the PWM to the A or B channels 2016-10-09T07:48:45 < aandrew> the three SC70-6s that are off board to the left steer the three encoder channels or three of the 6 gesturesense decoders to timer inputs 2016-10-09T07:49:02 < aandrew> I'm out of channels on the STM32 so I had to externally multiplex something 2016-10-09T07:50:35 < BillS> Ah, got it. What will this be used for? 2016-10-09T07:51:06 < aandrew> BillS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgEmuaCiHxY 2016-10-09T07:51:54 < aandrew> I subcontract for that company (was also involved in their MIP and Snappets products, and a precursor to their upcoming quadrotor) 2016-10-09T07:52:10 < BillS> KUDOs! Looks like a fun project. 2016-10-09T07:52:36 < aandrew> tbh I don't know wtf they're going to do with it because I don't see it going anywhere but they are known to build a lot of odd things to see what shakes out 2016-10-09T07:53:01 < aandrew> this is one of two boards that make up the brains of the bot, the other is a quad core A7 or A9 (forget which, it's part of a Qualcomm CPU) 2016-10-09T07:53:07 < aandrew> this one is the bitch to lay out though 2016-10-09T07:55:05 < BillS> I agree, curious thingy -- but somebody needs to do some serious testing before this can go anywhere. This is not a simple integration task ... 2016-10-09T07:55:11 < aandrew> trying to keep this in 4 layers, but its' tight 2016-10-09T07:55:17 < aandrew> agreed 2016-10-09T07:55:31 < aandrew> they've been running prototypes for over a year, and before then on some dev boards 2016-10-09T07:56:09 < BillS> I can imagine 4 layers with the physical connector placement is difficult. 2016-10-09T07:56:16 < aandrew> yep 2016-10-09T07:56:32 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T07:57:18 < BillS> But, more layers is not that much more expensive. The differential of 4 vs 6 layers is not too significant if the quantities are good. 2016-10-09T07:57:26 < aandrew> considered going ot SMT for all those Hirose connectors but then they get too wide to fit because of the extra SMT pads for physical retention 2016-10-09T07:58:12 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T07:58:44 < BillS> Well, thru hole eliminates the stress problem. If field service is contemplated, assume servicing person is a gorilla. Nice to have a connector that cannot be ripped off. 2016-10-09T08:01:08 < aandrew> BillS: yep. I spent 13 years in industrial power (soft starters and VFDs, I loved it and learned a lot about gorilla tech there :-) 2016-10-09T08:01:27 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-09T08:01:28 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-09T08:01:31 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-09T08:02:54 < BillS> Yes, lots of designers forget that factor and it keeps service people in bananas ... they have to replace lots of broken boards. LOL 2016-10-09T08:03:09 < aandrew> yep 2016-10-09T08:03:19 < aandrew> I was the R&D manager there for most of those 13 years 2016-10-09T08:04:08 < aandrew> when we did a prototype one of the first things I did before I do the next spin is to go to the service guys and let them beat on it a bit (i.e. try the typical measurements and fixes) and then over to production to see how they'd bild it up 2016-10-09T08:04:42 < aandrew> lots to learn from both, then ask them also "ok, what do you HATE about the current gen stuff, I want to try to make it easier for you to build up/test/repair" 2016-10-09T08:04:45 < aandrew> lots to learn there too 2016-10-09T08:05:02 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Flm7FHf3Q64 2016-10-09T08:05:06 < BillS> Good on you. Most of the time designers don't bother. 2016-10-09T08:06:57 < BillS> It is Sunday 13:06 where I am and time to have some lunch. Cannot drink another cup of coffee or I will need a Centrum to bring me down. Hahahaha 2016-10-09T08:07:07 < aandrew> heh 2016-10-09T08:07:12 < aandrew> it's 1:07am here 2016-10-09T08:07:17 < aandrew> 12h different, .au? 2016-10-09T08:07:35 < BillS> I am in Philippines right now. 2016-10-09T08:07:44 < aandrew> nice. close to dongs then 2016-10-09T08:07:53 < BillS> Who is dongs? 2016-10-09T08:07:53 < aandrew> well relative to most of us 2016-10-09T08:08:00 < aandrew> one of the guys here 2016-10-09T08:08:45 < BillS> Ah, well anyway, nice chatting with you. Later y'all. 2016-10-09T08:08:52 < aandrew> yep take care 2016-10-09T08:09:03 -!- BillS [~IceChat9@112.201.14.201] has quit [Quit: IceChat - Keeping PC's cool since 2000] 2016-10-09T09:06:37 < aandrew> y'all are sleeping 2016-10-09T09:09:56 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-09T09:32:22 < dongs> 2016-10-09T09:44:03 < ReadErr> o _______________ 2016-10-09T09:44:04 < ReadErr> /\_ _| | 2016-10-09T09:44:04 < ReadErr> _\__`[_______________| 2016-10-09T09:44:04 < ReadErr> ] [ \, ][ ][ 2016-10-09T09:45:01 < LeelooMinai> I knew it was robots:) http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/06/technology/amazon-warehouse-robots/index.html 2016-10-09T09:46:08 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.235] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T09:47:12 < LeelooMinai> I still wait for Amazon copters delivery though. 2016-10-09T09:47:58 < LeelooMinai> I wonder if they are still working on it or they gave up. 2016-10-09T09:58:55 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T10:14:09 < stvn> ASCII 2016-10-09T10:14:26 < stvn> 2016-10-09T10:14:48 < ReadErr> cant believe upgrdman never seen asskey 2016-10-09T10:16:43 < stvn> oh 2016-10-09T10:16:52 < stvn> did LRH dead? coz like 2016-10-09T10:17:20 < stvn> no uploadz 2016-10-09T10:18:21 < ReadErr> he went to some SJWcon or some shit in DC 2016-10-09T10:18:28 < ReadErr> there is a show tonight 2016-10-09T10:18:32 < ReadErr> during the debate 2016-10-09T10:19:33 < stvn> ok 2016-10-09T10:27:01 < stvn> a dirty little set. 2016-10-09T10:32:48 < stvn> pepper steak and its fixed in a little bit different way 2016-10-09T10:33:27 < upgrdman> ReadErr, sorry to disappoint 2016-10-09T10:38:32 < stvn> hmm yeah that was real good 2016-10-09T11:05:41 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T11:08:58 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T11:09:28 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-09T11:26:38 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T11:36:09 < ReadErr> Getty: ready for the autism simulation 2016-10-09T11:39:09 < upgrdman> any opengl pros awake? ##opengl is asleep 2016-10-09T11:39:10 < upgrdman> reading docs on glBindFramebuffer, why might you want to read from one FB but write to another FB? 2016-10-09T11:45:23 < dongs> because 1989 2016-10-09T11:48:47 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T11:49:09 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-09T11:56:59 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T12:01:11 < stvn> lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1684029908/the-silentswitcher-mains-free-low-noise-15v-and-5v 2016-10-09T12:09:14 < stvn> hi i made a power supply give me 7954 euros pls 2016-10-09T12:19:17 < stvn> well i'm sold cause it has "A testimony from a well-known audio designer" 2016-10-09T12:21:51 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T12:26:56 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-09T12:29:39 -!- theAdib [~theadib@ipservice-092-208-160-021.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T12:42:01 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: for those playing along at home, this is the segment that i like to call bullshit... 'cause we're in like flynn] 2016-10-09T12:59:20 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-09T13:02:36 -!- fest [~fest@188.226.203.53] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T13:06:25 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T13:07:24 -!- theAdib_ [~theadib@ipservice-092-208-160-021.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T13:11:16 -!- theAdib [~theadib@ipservice-092-208-160-021.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-09T13:21:37 < Tectu> sup 2016-10-09T13:26:24 < Steffanx> sky. 2016-10-09T13:27:34 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T13:28:12 -!- theAdib_ [~theadib@ipservice-092-208-160-021.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-09T13:28:18 -!- theAdib_ [~theadib@ipservice-092-208-160-021.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T13:31:06 < Steffanx> there? 2016-10-09T13:32:02 < ReadErr> dicks, taxes and dongs' bloodpressure 2016-10-09T13:33:11 < Steffanx> dongs browsing kickstarter/freelancer again? 2016-10-09T13:33:25 < ReadErr> I want to kickstart something 2016-10-09T13:33:30 < ReadErr> but dont want to do any work 2016-10-09T13:33:40 < ReadErr> or make any $$, I just want it to exist 2016-10-09T13:34:12 < Steffanx> what what? 2016-10-09T13:34:17 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-09T13:34:23 < ReadErr> my magic rooter 2016-10-09T13:34:44 < ReadErr> basically an firewall/router 2016-10-09T13:34:56 < ReadErr> but hooks into the desktop's OS 2016-10-09T13:35:11 < ReadErr> and lets you select different gateways for things 2016-10-09T13:35:18 < ReadErr> like TOR/VPN/Vanilla 2016-10-09T13:35:33 < ReadErr> can say this app -> use TOR 2016-10-09T13:35:36 < ReadErr> this app -> VPN 2016-10-09T13:35:36 < Steffanx> sounds like something i dont need :P 2016-10-09T13:36:08 < zyp> TOR, for all your child porn browsing needs 2016-10-09T13:36:19 < ReadErr> tor is a pain in the dick 2016-10-09T13:36:26 < ReadErr> I dont even bother with it 2016-10-09T13:36:32 < ReadErr> cant even use most websites 2016-10-09T13:36:40 < zyp> where do you get your child porn then? 2016-10-09T13:36:42 < ReadErr> unless you want to solve captchas and be denied still 2016-10-09T13:36:46 < ReadErr> im not in to children 2016-10-09T13:36:58 < ReadErr> if there are some more kate upton noods on tor im down 2016-10-09T13:41:08 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-09T13:42:45 < ReadErr> but it would be nice to be able to open new chrome tabs in new locations 2016-10-09T13:42:57 < ReadErr> watch some BBC shit w/o routing all traffic there 2016-10-09T13:48:13 -!- damme [~damme@vps.thewiegerts.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T13:54:25 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T13:54:26 < stvn> identify womb-rocket 2016-10-09T14:01:42 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T14:02:15 < ReadErr> meat missile 2016-10-09T14:06:24 < Laurenceb_> great, great, wall 2016-10-09T14:06:43 < Laurenceb_> Mexico will pay for the groping 2016-10-09T14:06:56 < ReadErr> grabbed her RIGHT IN THE PUSSY 2016-10-09T14:07:15 < Laurenceb_> memes have become real 2016-10-09T14:07:40 < ReadErr> are they trying to ban pepe ? 2016-10-09T14:07:50 < Laurenceb_> probably 2016-10-09T14:08:02 < Laurenceb_> it will only make pepe rarer 2016-10-09T14:08:26 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-09T14:10:55 < ReadErr> http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/us/pepe-the-frog-hate-symbol-trnd/index.html 2016-10-09T14:10:58 < ReadErr> lewl 2016-10-09T14:13:16 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T14:13:49 < ReadErr> see the rare trump pepe ? 2016-10-09T14:17:16 < ReadErr> excuse me Laurenceb_ 2016-10-09T14:17:18 < ReadErr> dont edge me 2016-10-09T14:18:30 < Laurenceb_> I'm busy 2016-10-09T14:18:41 < ReadErr> fapsturbating to chan stuff? 2016-10-09T14:18:45 < Laurenceb_> wondering if I can solder Kanthal wire 2016-10-09T14:19:46 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T14:20:04 < ReadErr> would need some high temp shit wouldnt u? 2016-10-09T14:20:11 < ReadErr> solder 2016-10-09T14:20:22 < Laurenceb_> nah I'm using it for mechanical properties 2016-10-09T14:20:40 < Laurenceb_> I need a readily available wire with low elongation before break 2016-10-09T14:20:54 < Laurenceb_> glass fibre thread would be ideal but it's a pain to get hold of 2016-10-09T14:21:19 < stvn> it will only make pepe rarer (lol) 2016-10-09T14:21:36 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_: pull it out of a sheet of fiberglass? 2016-10-09T14:21:47 < ReadErr> or, glass fiber rather 2016-10-09T14:23:01 < Laurenceb_> lul I need controlled tensile strength 2016-10-09T14:23:09 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3rDFzEzgDY 2016-10-09T14:23:10 < fest> Laurenceb_: I don't think you'll be able to solder fiberglass thread either 2016-10-09T14:23:16 < Laurenceb_> so I can guarentee like +-5% deviation 2016-10-09T14:23:25 < Laurenceb_> fest: that can be epoxied 2016-10-09T14:24:00 < stvn> Laurenceb_, would you blank my blank 2016-10-09T14:24:29 < Laurenceb_> lul getting stoned 2016-10-09T14:24:36 < Laurenceb_> not sure if a pedo 2016-10-09T14:24:51 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-09T14:24:57 < Laurenceb_> oh no is he going to teach her math 2016-10-09T14:25:01 < Laurenceb_> das evil 2016-10-09T14:27:44 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: brb soup] 2016-10-09T14:28:53 < Laurenceb_> til: in murikkka you go to prison for hanging out with a teenager talking about maths and smoking weed 2016-10-09T14:29:14 < ReadErr> kimbo slice vs predator 2016-10-09T14:29:18 < ReadErr> NEEDS TO BE KICKSTARTED 2016-10-09T14:29:49 < ReadErr> take it to the backyard like in his early days 2016-10-09T14:30:00 < Steffanx> Boring. 2016-10-09T14:30:20 < Laurenceb_> ibh I was expecting Chris Hanson shopped onto of Arnie in Predator 2016-10-09T14:30:25 < Laurenceb_> *ontop 2016-10-09T14:30:38 -!- damme [~damme@vps.thewiegerts.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-09T14:30:44 < ReadErr> boring? 2016-10-09T14:30:58 < ReadErr> imagine these child molesters showing up and seeing a giant black dude 2016-10-09T14:31:02 < Steffanx> Yeah, i didnt even know who kimbo slice is :P 2016-10-09T14:31:03 < ReadErr> and getting the shit kicked out of them 2016-10-09T14:31:08 < ReadErr> id watch it 2016-10-09T14:31:12 < Steffanx> googled, saw muscled black guy => boring. 2016-10-09T14:31:38 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGBUT_mdqdY 2016-10-09T14:31:43 < ReadErr> oldschool shit 2016-10-09T14:32:18 < Laurenceb_> dat music 2016-10-09T14:32:52 < Laurenceb_> obligatory 2016-10-09T14:32:53 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T0z1CT-nR8 2016-10-09T14:33:50 < ReadErr> alls im sayin is 2016-10-09T14:33:58 < ReadErr> I think it would be a kewl youtube series 2016-10-09T14:34:23 < Steffanx> ok. 2016-10-09T14:35:21 < Laurenceb_> the ebil weed smoking maths teachers 2016-10-09T14:35:39 < Laurenceb_> I bet he didn't go to sunday school either 2016-10-09T14:35:51 < Steffanx> did you? 2016-10-09T14:37:01 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-09T14:37:13 < Laurenceb_> of course not, thats why I'm obviously a pedo 2016-10-09T14:37:27 < Steffanx> i wouldn't be surprised. 2016-10-09T14:37:32 < Laurenceb_> I also know what the square root of minus one is 2016-10-09T14:37:41 < Laurenceb_> the evidence is conclusive 2016-10-09T14:38:02 < Steffanx> You know know, or you know because you've been told what it is. 2016-10-09T14:39:59 < Steffanx> What's next Laurenceb_? You'll write an os 2016-10-09T14:39:59 < Steffanx> ? 2016-10-09T14:40:25 < Steffanx> Run for president? 2016-10-09T14:42:01 < KreAture_> hey guys STM32F103C8T6 -> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-STM32F103C8T6-ARM-STM32-Minimum-System-Development-Board-Module-Forarduino/32525208361.html 2016-10-09T14:42:13 < KreAture_> Isn't this price below the even 10k volumes of the chip? 2016-10-09T14:42:25 < KreAture_> I susåect these are GD32f103 devices from Giga Devices 2016-10-09T14:42:28 < KreAture_> aka illegal clones 2016-10-09T14:43:19 < KreAture_> suspect 2016-10-09T14:43:54 < KreAture_> It can also be a stock liquidation from some supplier/diastributor of these boards as there has been a lot of competition in china on em 2016-10-09T14:44:21 < KreAture_> but the seller claims to have 68000 available, that's a lot of stock 2016-10-09T14:44:43 < Steffanx> Those boards have been around for quite a while now.. never heard anyone claim somethibg about clones etc. 2016-10-09T14:45:09 < KreAture_> me neither 2016-10-09T14:45:23 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-09T14:46:54 < KreAture_> It's still my goto board for almost any small project 2016-10-09T14:50:14 < Steffanx> I can also not imagine it's a GD32, because those are only pin compatible with STM32 afaik. ( but i could be wrong ) 2016-10-09T14:52:07 < KreAture_> hmm 2016-10-09T14:52:21 < KreAture_> will find out hehe 2016-10-09T14:54:09 < KreAture_> I see EmBitz comes in new release now 2016-10-09T14:54:11 < KreAture_> nice 2016-10-09T14:54:13 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-09T14:54:16 < KreAture_> upgraded libs apparantly 2016-10-09T14:56:07 < KreAture_> and it tradition true it installs sidealong so does not disturb old version 2016-10-09T14:56:07 < KreAture_> nice 2016-10-09T14:56:41 < fest> Steffanx: it appears they're also functionally compatible: https://olimex.wordpress.com/2015/12/21/gd32f103rbt6-the-stm32-pin-to-pin-compatible-chinese-mcus-sample-test/ 2016-10-09T14:56:52 < KreAture_> old libs was the most annoying thing in 0.42 really 2016-10-09T14:57:16 < KreAture_> fest so clones then 2016-10-09T14:57:18 < KreAture_> hehe 2016-10-09T15:01:15 < fest> don't be sad, those could also be repackaged bug zapper ICs or have a piece of copper instead of die 2016-10-09T15:01:25 < Steffanx> http://www.gigadevice.com/product-series/26.html?locale=en_US funny how they have the same mcu selector on their website as ST :) 2016-10-09T15:02:40 < fest> although, reviews claim they do at least blink :) 2016-10-09T15:07:37 < KreAture_> fest that is true LOL 2016-10-09T15:08:06 < KreAture_> and as they point out in that article, they may have undisclosed errata 2016-10-09T15:10:06 < KreAture_> damn, EmBitz still ship with libs for stm from 11 march 2011 2016-10-09T15:10:20 < KreAture_> V3.5.0 2016-10-09T15:19:11 < Steffanx> They dont want this (newer) hal either i guess 2016-10-09T15:20:36 < KreAture_> nah 2016-10-09T15:20:54 < KreAture_> it seems they rather go LOCM3 2016-10-09T15:20:54 < dongs> KreAture_: i was recently quoted C8 for less than that 2016-10-09T15:21:00 < dongs> so its reasonable-ish 2016-10-09T15:21:06 < dongs> if china makes like 0.01 profit per board 2016-10-09T15:21:08 < KreAture_> you were dongs wow then it may be real :) 2016-10-09T15:21:20 < KreAture_> nice 2016-10-09T15:21:28 < KreAture_> as i said it's still my fav board 2016-10-09T15:21:43 < dongs> sure 2016-10-09T15:21:44 < KreAture_> whenever I just need something to test some shit or run some pulses I always grab one of those 2016-10-09T15:21:49 < dongs> it certainly beats tarduino 2016-10-09T15:22:03 < dongs> tho recent similar-sized nucleos wiht stlink are also not a bad deal 2016-10-09T15:22:06 < dongs> for < $10 2016-10-09T15:22:09 < KreAture_> playing with some optical mouse sensors now and sure enough one of the stm32f103 boards are in the wiremess 2016-10-09T15:22:23 < KreAture_> I like the tiny stlink clones 2016-10-09T15:22:35 < KreAture_> I like having it seperate so I can disconnect it when done 2016-10-09T15:22:56 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/lol/32522381142.html wow that price 2016-10-09T15:22:58 < KreAture_> often I just make a mainboard that the stm32f103 board slots onto 2016-10-09T15:23:01 < dongs> and free shipping, haha 2016-10-09T15:23:03 < dongs> what teh fuck 2016-10-09T15:23:23 < KreAture_> and the price stays free even for 10 units 2016-10-09T15:23:29 < KreAture_> usually they swap over to tracked then 2016-10-09T15:23:40 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/texas-instruments/LM2596SX-5.0-NOPB/LM2596SX-5.0-NOPBTR-ND/334927 2016-10-09T15:23:40 < KreAture_> ahh 20 units and $4 in shipping 2016-10-09T15:24:13 < KreAture_> yeah not to cound the coil etc 2016-10-09T15:24:17 < KreAture_> count 2016-10-09T15:24:38 < KreAture_> I got the mice sensors for under a few bucks each too 2016-10-09T15:24:45 < KreAture_> They are really good 2016-10-09T15:24:47 < KreAture_> surprised 2016-10-09T15:24:55 < KreAture_> adns-5090 2016-10-09T15:25:19 < KreAture_> you'll like this dongs http://kreature.org/projects/3d_printer/rostock_plus/filament_sensor/array_to_png8.html 2016-10-09T15:25:22 < KreAture_> first step 2016-10-09T15:25:46 < KreAture_> I am adjusting the code in the page to allow me to paste data from the embitz debug view into a field and render it as a pic 2016-10-09T15:26:09 < KreAture_> since my setup won't run any io I thought that's a fun way to preview the data grabbed 2016-10-09T15:26:32 < KreAture_> It's tempting to use the usb though and let a python script display the pic 2016-10-09T15:27:17 < KreAture_> The optical sensor allows you to set up a pixel-grabber register for each pic it takes so one pixel is sent back 2016-10-09T15:27:32 < KreAture_> not possible to capture all pix of a single frame though, due to how the data flows in the mouse 2016-10-09T15:27:41 < KreAture_> default fps is 2250! 2016-10-09T15:31:02 < Laurenceb_> wtf 2016-10-09T15:31:22 < Laurenceb_> but you cant get full frame at that rate surely? 2016-10-09T15:31:33 < Laurenceb_> I've never seen a mouse sensor that would do that 2016-10-09T15:31:51 < dongs> whats the rez of that shit 2016-10-09T15:33:01 < Laurenceb_> check the image 2016-10-09T15:33:09 < Laurenceb_> 16x16? 2016-10-09T15:33:47 < KreAture_> 812250 pix a second while drawing 8mA and blitzing a LED at 30mA isn't bad at 7% duty on led 2016-10-09T15:34:04 < KreAture_> Laurenceb_ 19x19 2016-10-09T15:34:16 < KreAture_> dongs the mouse tracks movements up to 1750 dpi 2016-10-09T15:34:22 < Steffanx> So which sensor is this KreAture_? 2016-10-09T15:34:27 < dongs> so can you pull data out of it at 2200fps? 2016-10-09T15:34:29 < KreAture_> adns-5090 2016-10-09T15:34:35 < KreAture_> the fov however is around 1.2mm 2016-10-09T15:34:44 < KreAture_> I can pull 1 pix off it for every frame 2016-10-09T15:34:46 < dongs> what if you put like 100 of them together 2016-10-09T15:34:54 < KreAture_> I need 361 frames to get a full picture 2016-10-09T15:35:00 < dongs> wat 2016-10-09T15:35:10 < KreAture_> the pixel grabber can only get 1 pixel of a frame 2016-10-09T15:35:20 < dongs> why 2016-10-09T15:35:21 < KreAture_> and it has internal counter for row and column to address which one sequentially 2016-10-09T15:35:22 < dongs> whats hte point 2016-10-09T15:35:35 < KreAture_> It's a debug tol to verify what the mouse sees 2016-10-09T15:35:40 < KreAture_> almost all optical mice has it 2016-10-09T15:35:45 < KreAture_> usually hidden by driver 2016-10-09T15:35:53 < Laurenceb_> why are you bothering with this? 2016-10-09T15:35:59 < KreAture_> I am going to use it to read filament diameter on 3d printer 2016-10-09T15:36:12 < KreAture_> while using the mouses tracking abilities to read filament motion 2016-10-09T15:36:17 < KreAture_> closed loop extrusion 2016-10-09T15:36:37 < Laurenceb_> oh nice 2016-10-09T15:36:50 < Laurenceb_> yeah closed loop extrusion is really needed 2016-10-09T15:36:52 < KreAture_> compared to other solutions this seems more reliable, and it is also cheaper 2016-10-09T15:37:07 < Laurenceb_> but it there enough detail on the filament for it to track? 2016-10-09T15:37:14 < Laurenceb_> maybe if you use laser illumination? 2016-10-09T15:37:32 < KreAture_> at https://www.aliexpress.com/item/FREE-SHIPPING-ADNS-5090-IC-usb-Opt-SENSOR-mouse-Lp-8-DIP-5090-ADNS-10PCS-LOT/32566338728.html 2016-10-09T15:37:40 < KreAture_> I already tested that 2016-10-09T15:37:50 < KreAture_> even with xtc filament it tracked perfectly 2016-10-09T15:37:55 < KreAture_> crystal clear filament 2016-10-09T15:38:08 < KreAture_> I also tested black and uv fluorecent 2016-10-09T15:38:13 < Laurenceb_> odd 2016-10-09T15:38:22 < Laurenceb_> sure it wasn't tracking something else? 2016-10-09T15:38:29 < Laurenceb_> like fingerprints or something 2016-10-09T15:38:35 < KreAture_> That pic is not representable though I am reading the pic to get focus at right plane 2016-10-09T15:38:45 < Laurenceb_> this is with LED illumination? 2016-10-09T15:38:52 < KreAture_> yes 2016-10-09T15:39:05 < KreAture_> it automatically controls led illumination to find details 2016-10-09T15:39:11 < KreAture_> automatic contrast control and exposure etc 2016-10-09T15:39:21 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2016-10-09T15:39:25 < KreAture_> it outputs a surface quality number which is number of "features" tracked /2 2016-10-09T15:39:35 < Laurenceb_> I'd be a bit worried about it losing track 2016-10-09T15:39:46 < KreAture_> so together with tracking data I can quantify the quality of the tracking 2016-10-09T15:40:02 < Laurenceb_> also filament in != molten filament out if there is flexibility in the hot end 2016-10-09T15:40:03 < KreAture_> For kicks I am plotting all the data 2016-10-09T15:40:05 < KreAture_> hehe 2016-10-09T15:40:19 < KreAture_> well, this one sits right ontop of the hotend 2016-10-09T15:40:25 < KreAture_> not at the feeder on other end of bowden 2016-10-09T15:40:30 < Laurenceb_> ah yeah good point, tracking quality metric should help debug it 2016-10-09T15:40:33 < Laurenceb_> ok 2016-10-09T15:40:37 < KreAture_> point is to close the loop at the point that matters 2016-10-09T15:40:45 < KreAture_> yup 2016-10-09T15:40:53 < KreAture_> well, gotta run, got an apt in 20 mins downtown 2016-10-09T15:41:01 < KreAture_> anyways, this is shitgiggles fun! 2016-10-09T15:41:07 < KreAture_> lol 2016-10-09T15:41:15 < KreAture_> never had a chip that was so easy to work with 2016-10-09T15:41:23 < KreAture_> number of external components required: 1 (a led) 2016-10-09T15:41:26 < KreAture_> that's it 2016-10-09T15:41:37 < KreAture_> internal everything! 2016-10-09T15:41:46 < KreAture_> and a proper spi interface, not a 2 wire one 2016-10-09T15:41:57 < KreAture_> well i'm off 2016-10-09T15:42:03 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Bbl 2016-10-09T15:44:55 < dongs> wtf that listing comes up in some faggot languaget for me 2016-10-09T15:45:58 < zyp> here too, so that's probably how it's written 2016-10-09T15:50:43 < dongs> oh ok 2016-10-09T15:55:49 < Steffanx> looks like indonesian. 2016-10-09T15:57:04 < Laurenceb_> adns-5090 2016-10-09T15:58:39 < Steffanx> wrong window Laurenceb_ 2016-10-09T15:59:11 < Laurenceb_> oops 2016-10-09T15:59:39 < Laurenceb_> here lurn some java 2016-10-09T15:59:42 < Laurenceb_> http://mashable.com/2016/10/05/java-computer-scientist-mansplaining/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-main-link#EbwRq5mxhSqY 2016-10-09T16:06:41 < Laurenceb_> I think we have reached peak troll article, they have managed to combine all troll topics 2016-10-09T16:11:15 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T16:15:56 -!- dohzer [~dohzer@59-102-29-141.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-09T16:40:31 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Build-small-simple-space-aviator/ wat 2016-10-09T16:41:47 -!- Thorn__ is now known as Thorn 2016-10-09T16:53:11 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@c-a46fe555.06-213-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T16:54:53 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T16:55:55 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-09T16:56:39 < Thorn> how can anyone have time and money for games in a world where expensive text equipment exists 2016-10-09T16:57:25 < BrainDamage> he meant test equipment 2016-10-09T16:57:33 < Thorn> *test 2016-10-09T16:57:35 < Thorn> lol 2016-10-09T16:57:39 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T16:57:39 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-09T16:58:58 < BrainDamage> i love star citizen, i have a friend that was supermegahyped over it, spent a crapload of money, etc, trolling him about it never seems to stop being fun 2016-10-09T17:03:10 < BrainDamage> exactly 2016-10-09T17:08:33 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@c-a46fe555.06-213-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-09T17:20:45 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T17:30:12 < dongs> HL3 is coming in 2018 2016-10-09T17:30:15 < dongs> for SteamVR 2016-10-09T17:32:20 < Thorn> this is complete crap right? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32pcs-Handfree-Minigrabber-IC-Test-Clip-Tiny-Component/1437573180.html 2016-10-09T17:36:27 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@c-a46fe555.06-213-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T17:41:39 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T17:46:35 < dongs> lolyea those are garbage 2016-10-09T17:46:45 < dongs> you wont evne clip those to Atmega328P tqfp legs 2016-10-09T17:51:10 < jpa-> they do work great for through-hole parts and 1.27mm pitch smd; but anything smaller is no-go 2016-10-09T17:53:27 < jpa-> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=290-1106-ND these work down to 0.3mm pitch according to the datasheet; of course also 50 times more expensive 2016-10-09T17:56:13 < kakimir> how much china dick'n'placing costs? 2016-10-09T17:56:41 -!- Cyric [~quassel@unaffiliated/cyric] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 2016-10-09T17:57:02 < kakimir> anyone have example sets with prices? 2016-10-09T17:57:04 -!- Cyric [~quassel@unaffiliated/cyric] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T18:00:09 < jpa-> seeed has online calculator 2016-10-09T18:00:21 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-09T18:00:34 < kakimir> wont use seed but let's find out 2016-10-09T18:01:16 < kakimir> elecrow rulez all the way 2016-10-09T18:01:52 < kakimir> they need some exact information provided to give you the price 2016-10-09T18:02:42 < kakimir> and some query in written form 2016-10-09T18:05:55 < kakimir> 5minutes in and can't find shit 2016-10-09T18:06:45 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-09T18:07:26 < kakimir> found some eagle user program no thanks 2016-10-09T18:08:44 < kakimir> *user language program 2016-10-09T18:18:24 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-09T18:21:20 -!- damme [~damme@vps.thewiegerts.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T18:25:29 < Steffanx> Just have some ##stm32 do the pick and place for you kakimir :P 2016-10-09T18:25:56 < Steffanx> At least 2 #stm32ers have a pick and place machine for you. 2016-10-09T18:38:05 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T18:39:07 < kakimir> who is the second one? 2016-10-09T18:50:46 < ReadErr> kakimir: you will spend more for setup and stencils and shit 2016-10-09T18:50:49 < ReadErr> than actual assembly 2016-10-09T18:50:58 < ReadErr> unless you want a bunch of boards done 2016-10-09T18:51:04 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T18:51:09 < ReadErr> assembly is really cheap 2016-10-09T18:51:18 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-09T18:52:39 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T19:10:29 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T19:39:49 < Steffanx> who is the first one kakimir? 2016-10-09T19:45:41 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Sw6fizbq/IMG_1588.JPG 2016-10-09T19:45:57 < ReadErr> such a great little hand 2016-10-09T19:47:11 < Steffanx> Uhm.. Whyy? 2016-10-09T19:47:32 < ReadErr> I found the pdf so I had to try 2016-10-09T19:47:49 < Steffanx> The pdf? 2016-10-09T19:48:30 < ReadErr> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/custom/Meena/TrumpsHand-outline.pdf 2016-10-09T19:48:34 < ReadErr> pussygrabbin hand 2016-10-09T19:53:31 < Steffanx> You yankees must be terdibly bored. 2016-10-09T19:53:36 < Steffanx> Terribly 2016-10-09T20:01:14 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@c-a46fe555.06-213-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-09T20:12:02 < ReadErr> his tiny hands couldnt make it around hillary's fat ole cack 2016-10-09T20:13:02 < ReadErr> he also admitted to being a bitch 2016-10-09T20:13:08 < ReadErr> "I went after her like a bitch" 2016-10-09T20:14:40 < Steffanx> Wasnt this new debate soon? today? 2016-10-09T20:21:53 -!- damme [~damme@vps.thewiegerts.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-09T20:28:42 < ReadErr> ya tonight 2016-10-09T20:28:44 < ReadErr> 9pm 2016-10-09T20:28:46 < ReadErr> est 2016-10-09T20:30:25 < ReadErr> rumor is hilldawg gonna take trump to pound town 2016-10-09T20:38:14 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T20:43:43 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-09T20:53:50 -!- BrokenCog [~BrokenCog@pdpc/supporter/active/brokencog] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T20:54:34 < BrokenCog> hellos. Anyone seen something similar to this, http://pastebin.com/hpxWhpmV ... I suspect an issue with init/tty's ... but I'm not very familiar with it. 2016-10-09T20:55:51 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T21:06:59 < kakimir> doing business with chinese.. 5-10 emails in you find they may have some trouble communicating in english 2016-10-09T21:08:06 < kakimir> so they ask twice and then ask to confirm what was just said 2016-10-09T21:09:12 < Thorn> is adalm1000 actually usable as a signal generator? (I mean the current state of the software) 2016-10-09T21:10:09 < kakimir> not bad price 2016-10-09T21:10:26 < kakimir> I need a func gen 2016-10-09T21:14:45 < kakimir> under usd100 2016-10-09T21:16:24 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2016-10-09T21:18:12 < Thorn> you better find out how usable the software is first 2016-10-09T21:18:31 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T21:18:32 < Thorn> I'm finding many bad reviews etc 2016-10-09T21:19:02 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: I use M1K it as SMU - it's worth the price. 2016-10-09T21:19:21 < Thorn> have you tried generating signals with it? 2016-10-09T21:19:44 < Thorn> it's advertised as capable of that 2016-10-09T21:20:17 < LeelooMinai> Yes, it can generate sines, step, etc., but it's not supposed to be super-fast unit. 2016-10-09T21:21:06 < LeelooMinai> It's great for low bandwith experiments and as SMU imo. 2016-10-09T21:22:09 < LeelooMinai> I use it too look at power consumption of my project in time - when it switches from run to sleep/stop, etc. 2016-10-09T21:23:46 < Thorn> I donwloaded pixelpulse2 and I can't find anything in the UI that would be related to waveform generation 2016-10-09T21:24:32 < LeelooMinai> Click on the double arrow above voltage <-> 2016-10-09T21:24:49 < LeelooMinai> There's also an osciloscope app - it has more features. 2016-10-09T21:24:57 < LeelooMinai> Written in python I think:) 2016-10-09T21:25:16 < LeelooMinai> But pixelpulse is nicer for data-logger like view 2016-10-09T21:25:36 < LeelooMinai> If you switch it to 10s sample time 2016-10-09T21:26:03 < Thorn> looks like it's not displaying channel without the device connected 2016-10-09T21:26:31 < LeelooMinai> Well, having the actual device could be beneficial, yes:p 2016-10-09T21:27:13 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-09T21:27:36 < Thorn> *channels 2016-10-09T21:28:07 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: http://i.imgur.com/PkQHDjw.png 2016-10-09T21:29:06 < Thorn> and I assume there is a way to set frequency, amplitude etc.? 2016-10-09T21:29:49 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but this app is meant for classrom, so it's simplified - probably done using mouse, etc., but there's this more advanced app: http://i.imgur.com/Gu9etUP.png 2016-10-09T21:30:10 < LeelooMinai> The oscilloscope one - you have more control there. 2016-10-09T21:30:35 -!- damme_ [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T21:30:55 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Far more:) http://i.imgur.com/1lv1HkD.png 2016-10-09T21:31:35 < Thorn> okay, thanks. this looks promising 2016-10-09T21:31:49 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-09T21:43:03 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T21:51:18 < Steffanx> I wonder what this app is written in, because it looks so old. 2016-10-09T21:51:57 < Steffanx> Would almost think: labview, because chaos. 2016-10-09T21:52:25 < Thorn> is this thing worth it? (mostly the left column, €41.28 @ farnell) http://www.analog.com/media/en/evaluation-boards-kits/evaluation-board/ADALP2000-product-highlights.pdf 2016-10-09T21:55:09 < BrokenCog> Thorn: I'd say as an inclusive kit, it seems reasonable. 2016-10-09T21:58:17 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: It's python 2016-10-09T21:58:26 < Steffanx> That last one? 2016-10-09T21:58:35 < LeelooMinai> Yes 2016-10-09T21:59:00 < Steffanx> but.. using what toolkit 2016-10-09T21:59:08 < Thorn> one 1n4001 diode is pretty frugal lol 2016-10-09T21:59:22 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2600:380:8659:87ba:b96c:312a:d299:41a2] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T22:00:34 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: No idea. I don't Python:p But here: https://wiki.analog.com/university/tools/m1k/alice/desk-top-users-guide 2016-10-09T22:02:11 < Thorn> Mr. Rossman camming again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUrc0hOb4hQ 2016-10-09T22:02:21 < Thorn> (NN) 2016-10-09T22:03:23 < Steffanx> im supposed to know that guy? or is this that apple repair guy? 2016-10-09T22:03:30 < Thorn> that's him 2016-10-09T22:03:41 < Thorn> apparently he's a webcam model now 2016-10-09T22:03:51 < Steffanx> i still can't get used to 60fps 2016-10-09T22:04:19 < LeelooMinai> Used to? 2016-10-09T22:04:46 < LeelooMinai> RL is Jiga FPS and what - you find it weird? :p 2016-10-09T22:04:54 -!- arturo182 [~arturo182@213-238-223-152.customers.ownit.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-09T22:05:30 < Steffanx> Yes, it looks like stuff is in fast forward mode while it isn't 2016-10-09T22:05:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2600:380:8659:87ba:b96c:312a:d299:41a2] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-09T22:06:30 < LeelooMinai> For me 60fps make things look much more like the guy was sitting behind my screen - that's all... 2016-10-09T22:06:38 -!- emeb [~ericb@184-98-82-156.phnx.qwest.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T22:07:15 < Thorn> why is he wearing motorcycle gloves 2016-10-09T22:07:47 < LeelooMinai> Also, wth is this even about... He repairs stuff live and there are people that actually watch it? :) 2016-10-09T22:08:00 < Steffanx> Only 414 peoples. 2016-10-09T22:08:26 < LeelooMinai> Well, but still - I would think that most people would jsut get bored and go back to playing games. 2016-10-09T22:08:37 < Steffanx> All i see is two guys arguing about useless things 2016-10-09T22:08:44 < Steffanx> kinda like ##stm32, but then with video. 2016-10-09T22:08:54 < Thorn> top chaturbate models can have 2200+ viewers online iirc 2016-10-09T22:09:05 < Thorn> apparently it's more educational 2016-10-09T22:09:06 < Steffanx> lol, you mean this guy is chaturbating now/? 2016-10-09T22:09:13 < LeelooMinai> Well, maybe it's better than ##arm21 does not have video... 2016-10-09T22:09:19 < LeelooMinai> that* 2016-10-09T22:09:48 < LeelooMinai> lol, wait, I typed ##stm32 and it came up as ##arm21... 2016-10-09T22:10:03 < Steffanx> it is fancy the guy has all kind of fancy tools with schematics etc. 2016-10-09T22:12:54 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2600:380:8659:87ba:b96c:312a:d299:41a2] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T22:14:53 < Thorn> ok looks like I lied, there is a model with 5109 viewers right now\ 2016-10-09T22:15:02 < Steffanx> lol you checked. 2016-10-09T22:17:30 < LeelooMinai> dongs energizing his troll disciples for daily work on IRC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg0_83jzgXs&feature=youtu.be&t=83 2016-10-09T22:22:17 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2600:380:8659:87ba:b96c:312a:d299:41a2] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-09T22:23:38 < Steffanx> if someone is still watching, what is this tiny wire they used? 2016-10-09T22:25:12 < Thorn> I didn't see any wire 2016-10-09T22:25:27 < Steffanx> the wire he used from the via to the resistor was tiny. 2016-10-09T22:26:23 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: When I do something like that I take small gauge jumper wire and pull one of the strands from it out. 2016-10-09T22:26:59 < LeelooMinai> You get 0.1mm 4mil strand usually 2016-10-09T22:31:24 < LeelooMinai> If you want more fancy, you can get thin silver wire. 2016-10-09T22:31:56 < LeelooMinai> Ideally gold, but that would be a bit crazy:) 2016-10-09T22:34:16 < Thorn> f7-disco is the only discovery with ethernet broken out, correct? 2016-10-09T22:35:41 < Steffanx> i think so. 2016-10-09T22:36:11 < Thorn> ok 2016-10-09T22:37:48 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-09T22:39:38 < PaulFertser> Just watched some guy repairing a botched iphone6+ repair, he said he used a wire from iphone3 speaker to make "nano-jumpers" (two of the edge pads of BGA touch IC were destroyed by stupid ebay repair shop). 2016-10-09T22:40:24 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but those are enameled - you will need to strip the enamel somehow. 2016-10-09T22:40:34 < LeelooMinai> To solder the ends. 2016-10-09T22:40:56 < LeelooMinai> A bit of pita - if short is not a problem, I would just use plain wire. 2016-10-09T22:43:13 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T22:43:14 < Thorn> is he replacing qfns and bgas with just hot air? 2016-10-09T22:43:23 < Steffanx> Yes. 2016-10-09T22:44:14 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.249.64] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T22:44:58 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I wonder what the board definition files for this openflex thing come from. 2016-10-09T22:45:16 < Steffanx> apple. 2016-10-09T22:45:42 < Steffanx> Wasn't Apple being totally angry about the fact that he shows those schematics in his videos 2016-10-09T22:46:23 < Steffanx> So they called that wire "Battery wire" .. wut? 2016-10-09T22:46:56 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, that soldering tip is interesting - I think it may be good because it has sharp point, but still a lot of mass behind it. I need to get one like that. 2016-10-09T22:49:16 < Thorn> I wonder if any science fiction writer predicted this. a guy repairing shit being broadcast internationally 2016-10-09T22:50:42 < Thorn> https://cdn.instructables.com/F4G/SNG9/IF9UAJK7/F4GSNG9IF9UAJK7.MEDIUM.jpg 2016-10-09T22:51:23 < LeelooMinai> That's the stuff AD sells for M1K so students/hobbyists can do experiments. 2016-10-09T22:51:45 < LeelooMinai> Has also some 2.5V reference IC one can use to calibrate the board. 2016-10-09T22:51:59 < LeelooMinai> But I just used my DMM. 2016-10-09T22:52:18 < LeelooMinai> To zero the current readings mostly. 2016-10-09T22:57:32 < Ecco> Hey 2016-10-09T23:01:44 < LeelooMinai> lol @ the Indian guy doing balls from hersheys 2016-10-09T23:01:47 < Steffanx> hmm, why one of the nicks of those guys behind openboardview sounds so familiar.. inflex 2016-10-09T23:01:59 < Steffanx> would almost thing that guy was here 2016-10-09T23:02:09 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I remember inflex from IRC 2016-10-09T23:02:57 < Steffanx> ok probably not this channel 2016-10-09T23:03:12 < Steffanx> might have been #avr 2016-10-09T23:13:42 < kakimir> has the title of cheapest cortex mcu with ethernet and 64pins changed latelly? 2016-10-09T23:14:11 < kakimir> and lpc176* is not an option 2016-10-09T23:14:27 < kakimir> even if it had 64pins in some pack with ethernet 2016-10-09T23:15:17 < Thorn> they're 100 pins only iirc 2016-10-09T23:15:26 < Thorn> anf bga 2016-10-09T23:15:28 < Thorn> *and 2016-10-09T23:16:11 < kakimir> I wonder if there is bga options worth looking for? 2016-10-09T23:16:34 < zyp> what's your goal wrt. 64pin requirement? 2016-10-09T23:16:55 < kakimir> size 2016-10-09T23:17:01 < kakimir> + price 2016-10-09T23:17:41 < zyp> uh, price doesn't really have anything to do with package 2016-10-09T23:17:50 < kakimir> stm32's come in bloatty but ugly qfp packs 2016-10-09T23:17:58 < kakimir> the chip is huge for 64pins 2016-10-09T23:18:22 < zyp> what? it's a standard fucking 0.5mm pitch qfp 2016-10-09T23:18:58 < zyp> but eh, if small is the goal, go with the f4 wlcsp90 :p 2016-10-09T23:19:19 < Thorn> I'm sure kakimir has never seen qfp208 lol 2016-10-09T23:19:30 < kakimir> f4 sounds too highend 2016-10-09T23:19:55 < kakimir> I think I found some f107 with ethernet 2016-10-09T23:19:57 < ReadErr> dont be cheap kakimir 2016-10-09T23:19:58 < Thorn> ethernet means f107 or f407+ or f7 iirc 2016-10-09T23:20:14 < ReadErr> u dwell on price so much for not mass producing things 2016-10-09T23:20:40 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T23:21:10 < Thorn> also f107 may be more expensive than f4 these days 2016-10-09T23:21:18 < kakimir> okay 2016-10-09T23:21:20 < Steffanx> or F2 something. 2016-10-09T23:21:23 < kakimir> better look at it 2016-10-09T23:21:44 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-09T23:21:49 < Thorn> the only one still using f2 is lara croft 2016-10-09T23:22:03 < kimmoli> f207 2016-10-09T23:22:05 < kakimir> WLCSP90 is beyond basic manuf capatibilities 2016-10-09T23:22:08 < Steffanx> still using? F107 is older then 207 2016-10-09T23:22:29 < Thorn> f107 is old buf f2 is dead and buried 2016-10-09T23:22:39 < Steffanx> yeah, was a weird family anyway 2016-10-09T23:23:36 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-09T23:23:36 -!- BrainDamage_ is now known as BrainDamage 2016-10-09T23:23:37 < kakimir> what was wrong with it? 2016-10-09T23:24:01 < Steffanx> iirc it was pretty expensive when it was released 2016-10-09T23:24:02 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T23:24:11 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ad914.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T23:24:26 < kakimir> key features? 2016-10-09T23:24:34 < kakimir> appart from other series 2016-10-09T23:24:49 < Steffanx> browse the product page please. 2016-10-09T23:25:56 < kakimir> it says all the same things that other pages do 2016-10-09T23:27:00 < kakimir> and fails to say what applications it's meant for 2016-10-09T23:27:18 < kakimir> ART accelerator? 2016-10-09T23:28:23 < ReadErr> y u gotta complicate things so much kakimir 2016-10-09T23:28:41 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T23:29:14 < kakimir> autism sessions 2016-10-09T23:29:33 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-09T23:29:37 < ReadErr> autism on swole 2016-10-09T23:29:46 < kakimir> I roll back to lpc1111 2016-10-09T23:29:56 < kakimir> and use wiznet if I want ethernets 2016-10-09T23:30:16 < kakimir> and I have familiar chip with just enought of pins 2016-10-09T23:30:37 < Steffanx> go wifi 2016-10-09T23:31:27 < kakimir> wifi is trash 2016-10-09T23:32:25 < kakimir> only thing I use wifi for is my ultranotebook 2016-10-09T23:33:35 < kakimir> it was good to autism a bit and get that hard decision done to do the most obivious solution instead of autisming 100% and never get it done 2016-10-09T23:34:38 < ReadErr> ESP!!! 2016-10-09T23:34:54 < Thorn> the drunken arduino style 2016-10-09T23:38:24 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-09T23:56:40 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-09T23:58:52 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] --- Day changed Mon Oct 10 2016 2016-10-10T00:02:05 < Thorn> ok I get it now. autism is measured in dbk 2016-10-10T00:03:09 < BrokenCog> anyone using the STM32 BSP by emcraft? or similar ... I'm trying to update busybox, init.d, but can't figure out where the build is pulling the files from. 2016-10-10T00:08:18 < BrokenCog> it's arm-uclinux and gnu arm gcc. I'm not sure if the framework is from something else, but the makefile operates with u-boot, busybox, linux all in the top level, builing all three or as needed, not sure. 2016-10-10T00:09:42 < BrokenCog> at the top level is also projects which has custom config files and such. one of the dirs is local which has rc, passwd, etc ... presumably being passed to the busybox build, but that's what seemingly not happening. 2016-10-10T00:22:17 -!- damme_ [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-10T00:26:18 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-10T00:27:49 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:98ae:7c81:ab3d:ca5f] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T00:36:54 < ReadErr> ohsix: sci-hub is fucked 2016-10-10T00:37:09 < ReadErr> I need to research 2016-10-10T00:41:41 < Steffanx> time to enter some uni then ReadErr. (whats fucked about sci-hub?) 2016-10-10T00:41:45 < Steffanx> *enroll 2016-10-10T00:41:53 < ReadErr> Steffanx: im done with uni 2016-10-10T00:41:58 < ReadErr> I still have an .edu tho 2016-10-10T00:42:09 < ReadErr> but dont think that helps me here 2016-10-10T00:42:26 < ReadErr> whats fucked is its down, or when I went to it and searched it had an error page 2016-10-10T00:44:50 < Steffanx> it seems to work for me. 2016-10-10T00:47:22 < Steffanx> Just entered the url to some random ieee paper and it gave me a download 2016-10-10T00:48:23 < Steffanx> Yes, when you just enter some random term it says "search temporarily unavailable, please use DOI or direct links" so dont do that :P 2016-10-10T00:50:06 < Steffanx> oh lol, its even better. Just add sci-hub.cc after ieee.org and it downloads. 2016-10-10T00:50:21 < Steffanx> *.sci-hub.cc 2016-10-10T00:55:33 -!- BrokenCog [~BrokenCog@pdpc/supporter/active/brokencog] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-10T00:56:36 -!- BrokenCog [~BrokenCog@pdpc/supporter/active/brokencog] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T00:57:25 -!- theAdib_ [~theadib@ipservice-092-208-160-021.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-10T00:59:25 < Steffanx> You could have blackmailed Laurenceb, ReadErr ;) 2016-10-10T00:59:48 -!- KreAture_Bbl [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-10T01:00:14 -!- KreAture_Bbl [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T01:03:08 -!- Steffannn [uid97872@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xderjysyrdzrdrlb] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T01:04:51 < ReadErr> wait what 2016-10-10T01:05:02 < ReadErr> oh I dont want an ieee paper 2016-10-10T01:05:15 < ReadErr> I was bloggin with ohsix the other day 2016-10-10T01:05:28 < ReadErr> sayin it would be cool if there was a twatter bot that responded w/ link to dl 2016-10-10T01:05:40 < ReadErr> twitter them the DOI and it returns a megaupload or w/e 2016-10-10T01:07:42 < Steffanx> Oh, so you actually needed the search :P 2016-10-10T01:10:16 < ReadErr> yea 2016-10-10T01:10:16 < Steffanx> Not the type of research i was thinking about 2016-10-10T01:10:16 < ReadErr> Well I have the DOI 2016-10-10T01:10:16 < ReadErr> but only hits im getting are references to it or scammy buy this for 39.99 sites 2016-10-10T01:29:51 < kakimir> guise I found cool shit you don't need 2016-10-10T01:29:59 -!- KreAture_Bbl is now known as KreAture_ 2016-10-10T01:30:00 < kakimir> tritium key fobs 2016-10-10T01:30:01 -!- fenugrec [~Q@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T01:30:03 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2016-10-10T01:30:09 < kakimir> yes.. tritium 2016-10-10T01:33:17 < kakimir> I wonder what customs would say when my china shiet says "tritium" in it 2016-10-10T01:33:54 < kakimir> and I import it as a part of nuclear weapon of course? 2016-10-10T01:34:22 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ad914.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2016-10-10T01:34:49 < kakimir> somehow all the nuclear reactors and stuff begin the import codes list 2016-10-10T01:35:57 < kakimir> from 00 00 00 01 2016-10-10T01:37:09 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T01:37:12 < Laurenceb_> Trumpification v2 imminent 2016-10-10T01:37:39 < Laurenceb_> Hillary right in the pussy 2016-10-10T01:39:29 < ReadErr> lol trump is fucked 2016-10-10T01:39:34 < ReadErr> keep reading your chan 2016-10-10T01:39:48 < ReadErr> hes beyond fucked at this point 2016-10-10T01:40:26 < ReadErr> Our polls-plus model has followed a similar but slightly more conservative trajectory, with Clinton’s probability increasing from 55 percent before the debate, to 68 percent on Monday, to 76 percent now. 2016-10-10T01:40:36 < ReadErr> he lost 20% in a week lul 2016-10-10T01:48:12 < ReadErr> http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/09/10/trump-most-outrageous-birther-claims-orig.cnn/video/playlists/donald-trump/ 2016-10-10T01:48:20 < ReadErr> this fucking idiot getting taken to pound town 2016-10-10T01:49:05 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T01:50:23 < ReadErr> then 8 years of that beautiful black woman, michelle \o/ 2016-10-10T01:51:42 < ReadErr> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Obama 2016-10-10T01:51:59 < Laurenceb_> BBW does not stand for black 2016-10-10T01:52:01 < Laurenceb_> n00b 2016-10-10T01:52:11 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.249.64] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-10T01:52:18 < ReadErr> funny, I didnt use an acronym 2016-10-10T01:52:39 < ReadErr> slow ur chan holmes 2016-10-10T01:53:36 < ReadErr> do u believe in meme magic 2016-10-10T01:53:36 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.249.64] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T01:53:57 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/newsplus/res/32226.html 2016-10-10T01:54:10 < Laurenceb_> meme magician, but not a wizard 2016-10-10T01:55:01 < Laurenceb_> >ISIS gets infected with gondii and forbids cat-slavery 2016-10-10T01:55:01 < Laurenceb_> >Feline overlords likely soon 2016-10-10T01:55:04 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.249.64] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-10T01:55:04 < Laurenceb_> top kek 2016-10-10T01:55:46 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/dUYqCvSM/faglexjones.png 2016-10-10T01:56:56 * kakimir oinks 2016-10-10T01:58:25 < Laurenceb_> Alex Jones is Mr Poe 2016-10-10T02:00:34 < Laurenceb_> Back in the day before PCs and games consoles killing defenseless animals was the fun thing to do in your spare time. 2016-10-10T02:00:38 < Laurenceb_> 8chan delivers 2016-10-10T02:07:17 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-10T02:13:45 < ReadErr> englishman: you know who I can see getting along really well 2016-10-10T02:13:48 < ReadErr> Laurenceb and incog 2016-10-10T02:13:54 < ReadErr> both hardcore channers 2016-10-10T02:13:58 < ReadErr> both in the UK 2016-10-10T02:15:47 < ReadErr> lol is there water in there? 2016-10-10T02:15:52 < ReadErr> or is that a shadow 2016-10-10T02:16:22 < ReadErr> ohsix: do you see the Laurenceb / incog thing? 2016-10-10T02:16:32 < ReadErr> 2 pees in a poo 2016-10-10T02:17:54 < Laurenceb_> Back in the day before PCs and games consoles killing defenseless animals was the fun thing to do in your spare time.. 2016-10-10T02:18:01 < Laurenceb_> 8chan delivers again 2016-10-10T02:18:39 < ReadErr> aww little furball 2016-10-10T02:18:55 < ReadErr> but i seen dis one 2016-10-10T02:19:32 < Laurenceb_> who is incog? 2016-10-10T02:19:38 < Laurenceb_> http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/2373566X.2015.1099421 2016-10-10T02:19:42 < ReadErr> your soul mate Laurenceb_ 2016-10-10T02:19:44 < ReadErr> 100% 2016-10-10T02:19:53 < ReadErr> hes banned from freenode I think though 2016-10-10T02:20:04 < ReadErr> so you will have to trade chats on the efnet 2016-10-10T02:20:05 < Laurenceb_> lulwtf 2016-10-10T02:20:09 < ReadErr> bro im telling you 2016-10-10T02:20:10 < Laurenceb_> haha efnet 2016-10-10T02:20:14 < ReadErr> you guys are 100% identical 2016-10-10T02:20:18 < Laurenceb_> dat place is chan teir 2016-10-10T02:20:27 < ReadErr> you say that like its a bad thing 2016-10-10T02:20:43 < Laurenceb_> I will have to say hello 2016-10-10T02:21:26 < Laurenceb_> the reality television show Punkin Chunkin provide entry points into whiteness–pumpkin connections 2016-10-10T02:22:18 < ReadErr> ive seen that show years back 2016-10-10T02:22:31 < ReadErr> those guys are hardcore as fuck 2016-10-10T02:24:46 < Laurenceb_> ReadErr is literally a white pumpkin 2016-10-10T02:25:28 < ReadErr> im black as fuck bro 2016-10-10T02:26:19 < ReadErr> haha 2016-10-10T02:28:30 < Laurenceb_> critical eating studies theorizes a flexible and circular relation between the self and the social world 2016-10-10T02:28:37 < Laurenceb_> holy shit I can't take any more 2016-10-10T02:28:48 < Laurenceb_> this is brilliant 2016-10-10T02:29:43 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_: give me a research paper site login thx 2016-10-10T02:30:03 < Laurenceb_> lulwut I can read for free 2016-10-10T02:30:07 < Laurenceb_> weird 2016-10-10T02:30:35 < Laurenceb_> anyways, haxor a uni network 2016-10-10T02:31:22 < ReadErr> I dont want to read what your reading 2016-10-10T02:31:29 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:98ae:7c81:ab3d:ca5f] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-10T02:33:08 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-10T02:35:15 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T02:40:25 < LeelooMinai> rI would not let it play with strings like that - can get entangled and strangled... 2016-10-10T02:40:31 < LeelooMinai> englishman* 2016-10-10T02:41:04 < LeelooMinai> Unless you sit here and watch the cat all the time... 2016-10-10T02:41:08 < LeelooMinai> there* 2016-10-10T02:41:10 < ReadErr> well he was watching it 2016-10-10T02:42:25 < LeelooMinai> Trying to find a good name in my code for a block of peripheral registers... 2016-10-10T02:43:04 < LeelooMinai> Do those have some standard name? I though something like "hardware control block", but not sure if this is what they are called. 2016-10-10T02:43:22 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2016-10-10T02:54:39 < Laurenceb_> great, great, block 2016-10-10T02:54:47 < Laurenceb_> mexico will pay for the hardware block 2016-10-10T02:55:09 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:98ae:7c81:ab3d:ca5f] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T03:10:20 -!- emeb [~ericb@184-98-82-156.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-10T03:15:13 -!- reportingsjr [~reporting@2604:a880:800:10::11e:d001] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T03:15:31 < reportingsjr> How sensitive are STM32F1s to noise on their power rail? 2016-10-10T03:16:01 < LeelooMinai> The docs should specify valid voltage range. 2016-10-10T03:16:19 < LeelooMinai> So I guess digital parts will work fine if the noise is within it. 2016-10-10T03:16:30 < reportingsjr> that doesn't necessarily correlate to noise though 2016-10-10T03:16:32 < LeelooMinai> But analog may not be very happy. 2016-10-10T03:17:33 < reportingsjr> Well, I have a board I made a while back and I /think/ it has a fairly noisy power supply which might have been causing me issues. 2016-10-10T03:18:16 < LeelooMinai> Did you check if the voltage falls out of range at any time? 2016-10-10T03:18:20 < reportingsjr> Well, I got a new programmer to see if that was the issue and when I run the program on the STM32F1 through GDB it segfaults. This doesn't happen when I run the same code on an STM32VL discovery board. 2016-10-10T03:18:24 < BrokenCog> noise is not the same as valid within a power range. 2016-10-10T03:18:28 < reportingsjr> LeelooMinai: I don't think it does, but I'm not sure. 2016-10-10T03:18:43 < reportingsjr> BrokenCog: I thought so 2016-10-10T03:18:56 < reportingsjr> I just find it strange that it is segfaulting. 2016-10-10T03:19:27 < BrokenCog> can you figure out what code block? Is it always the same? or is it random? that'll tell you if it's noise or software. 2016-10-10T03:21:07 < reportingsjr> It is random 2016-10-10T03:21:15 < reportingsjr> different almost every time 2016-10-10T03:21:58 < LeelooMinai> If you could correlate it with actual voltage readings in time, it could tell you if voltage is the problem 2016-10-10T03:22:13 < reportingsjr> Unfortunately the tools for that tend to be pretty pricey 2016-10-10T03:22:18 < LeelooMinai> $40:p 2016-10-10T03:22:25 * LeelooMinai points to M1K again 2016-10-10T03:22:32 < reportingsjr> You find me a $40 spectrum analyzer and I'll buy it now. 2016-10-10T03:22:48 < LeelooMinai> You certainly don't want a spectrum analyzer for this... 2016-10-10T03:23:08 < reportingsjr> I mean that is what I /need/ 2016-10-10T03:23:27 < reportingsjr> the scope I have access to (ds1052e) does an awful, awful fft 2016-10-10T03:23:38 < LeelooMinai> Ok, now I am confused... 2016-10-10T03:23:49 < Thorn> what the actual is going on http://imgur.com/DszAHNw 2016-10-10T03:24:04 < LeelooMinai> reportingsjr: "Unfortunately the tools for that tend to be pretty pricey" <- To do what then?... 2016-10-10T03:24:08 < Thorn> there is a 10Vp-p signal between the logic analyzer ground and dmx controller ground 2016-10-10T03:24:10 < reportingsjr> LeelooMinai: I need to measure noise on my power rail to truly see if the noise is the problem (I really think it is) 2016-10-10T03:24:26 < Thorn> 2MHz 2016-10-10T03:24:34 < LeelooMinai> Ok, but wth has spectrum analyzer and FFT to do with ut... 2016-10-10T03:24:50 < reportingsjr> It is possible to measure noise with an oscilloscope, but a spectrum analyzer is the right tool for the job. 2016-10-10T03:25:15 < reportingsjr> with an oscilloscope unless it is a really nice scope it is more of a guessing game. 2016-10-10T03:25:20 < LeelooMinai> You want to correlate voltage fluctuations with the time at which your micro stops, not to do FFT... 2016-10-10T03:25:35 < reportingsjr> um, what? I think you're confused. 2016-10-10T03:25:58 < LeelooMinai> No, I am not - you said that your micro fails at random points. 2016-10-10T03:26:02 < reportingsjr> I think noise on the power rail is an issue.. I'm not looking for the supply voltage sagging 2016-10-10T03:26:14 < reportingsjr> I don't think that is an issue 2016-10-10T03:27:32 < LeelooMinai> And the power comes from where? 2016-10-10T03:27:45 < reportingsjr> a switch mode power supply. 2016-10-10T03:28:06 < LeelooMinai> Cannot you test the board with clean source to see if it has problems too? 2016-10-10T03:29:37 -!- BrokenCog [~BrokenCog@pdpc/supporter/active/brokencog] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-10T03:29:50 < reportingsjr> LeelooMinai: that is a great idea :P 2016-10-10T03:30:04 < reportingsjr> I just wondered why I didn't do that and I remember why 2016-10-10T03:30:35 < reportingsjr> I thought the main supply for this board was the noisy one so that is what I replaced with a lab supply previously. I now think that the 3.3V supply feeding the micro is the noisy one. 2016-10-10T03:31:48 < Laurenceb_> I've always had amazingly good performance from F1 ADC 2016-10-10T03:32:00 < Laurenceb_> but I've never used a board with poor power supplies lol 2016-10-10T03:36:04 -!- Steffannn [uid97872@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xderjysyrdzrdrlb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2016-10-10T03:36:16 < ReadErr> https://youtu.be/C_gzl3RfZL4 The l0de live coverage of the debate is online! 2016-10-10T03:36:21 < ReadErr> TUNE IN TURN ON DROP OUT 2016-10-10T03:36:56 < LeelooMinai> reportingsjr: If the boards does not devour too much current you can just use some rechargeable battery you have - cannot get much cleaner source to test. 2016-10-10T03:37:32 < LeelooMinai> Can use some diodes to drop it a bit if necessary 2016-10-10T03:37:58 < jadew> reportingsjr, you don't need a SA for that 2016-10-10T03:38:26 < jadew> the kind of noise that would disturb your MCU would be perfectly visible on a very low end scope 2016-10-10T03:38:35 < reportingsjr> I just attached a pretty nice linear supply (old HP one) and I'm still having issues. :( 2016-10-10T03:38:54 < aandrew> < ReadErr> TUNE IN TURN ON DROP OUT 2016-10-10T03:39:06 < LeelooMinai> reportingsjr: I forgot by now - did you actualy monitor the voltage over time with scope in roll mode or something like that? 2016-10-10T03:39:15 < aandrew> I love that song, although every time I listen to it I think of my old mentor. he died shortly before that song was released (like a few days before) 2016-10-10T03:39:20 < reportingsjr> jadew: When I used a DS1052e I saw what looked like some spikey noise @500kHz which would be from the 3.3V supply for the micro. 2016-10-10T03:39:45 < ReadErr> aandrew: :( 2016-10-10T03:39:47 < reportingsjr> I /think/ it was about 200mVp-p, but I didn't have much time to poke around at it. 2016-10-10T03:40:34 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/hfQdN phear my shit waveform generation 2016-10-10T03:41:25 < LeelooMinai> I hope that was not supposed to be a triangular wave:p 2016-10-10T03:41:31 < aandrew> top is linear step on PWM, second is me trying to linear step the voltage drop 2016-10-10T03:41:32 < aandrew> no 2016-10-10T03:41:57 < aandrew> it's controlling the brightness of an IR LED but as you can see there's not great linearity. the bottom is me trying to linearize it 2016-10-10T03:43:08 < aandrew> I really wish this scope would keep the cursor values on the screen or let me select the cursor values from the list of measurements 2016-10-10T03:43:21 < aandrew> wtf is the point of keeping the cursors on the window but not their values 2016-10-10T03:43:23 < jadew> you're trying to make it fade in? 2016-10-10T03:43:28 < aandrew> kind of 2016-10-10T03:43:39 < aandrew> this is part of GestureSense technology 2016-10-10T03:44:17 < aandrew> it's such a simple concept, I love how they came up with a way to crudely track objects in 3D using only IR leds and a remote control receiver IC 2016-10-10T03:44:54 < jadew> you can smooth that out with some external components 2016-10-10T03:44:58 < Laurenceb_> oh god debate approaching 2016-10-10T03:45:04 < aandrew> nah, no need 2016-10-10T03:45:04 < Laurenceb_> this gunna be stupid 2016-10-10T03:45:10 < aandrew> yeah I'm gonna watch it 2016-10-10T03:45:22 < Laurenceb_> dumb and dumber the debate 2016-10-10T03:45:35 < LeelooMinai> Isn't Trump done after his latest sexism achievements? 2016-10-10T03:45:44 < aandrew> HAHAHHA 2016-10-10T03:45:56 < aandrew> trump could fuck a goat in a livestream and he'd gain supporters 2016-10-10T03:46:21 < LeelooMinai> I would presume that would pretty much get rid of all women voters... 2016-10-10T03:46:23 < jadew> speaking of which, I saw a weird show a couple of weeks back 2016-10-10T03:46:24 < aandrew> populist politics, people are so fuckign sick and tired of the status quo they don't really care WHAT he does or what he represents as long as he isn't establishment 2016-10-10T03:46:26 < jadew> black mirror is called 2016-10-10T03:46:34 < aandrew> jadew: I... I don't want to know 2016-10-10T03:46:49 < aandrew> I mean I know they have some weird shit in .ro, but .. no. 2016-10-10T03:46:55 < jadew> it's british 2016-10-10T03:47:00 < aandrew> even worse 2016-10-10T03:47:07 < jadew> you have no idea 2016-10-10T03:47:15 < Laurenceb_> heh black mirror 2016-10-10T03:47:23 < Laurenceb_> also look at brasseye 2016-10-10T03:47:31 < jadew> Laurenceb_, you saw it? 2016-10-10T03:47:34 < Laurenceb_> yes 2016-10-10T03:47:39 < Laurenceb_> but I prefer brasseye 2016-10-10T03:47:57 < jadew> '97? 2016-10-10T03:48:34 < Laurenceb_> yes 2016-10-10T03:48:39 < Laurenceb_> also the later pedophile special 2016-10-10T03:49:08 < jadew> imdb says it's a comedy 2016-10-10T03:50:00 < Laurenceb_> yup 2016-10-10T03:50:20 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcU7FaEEzNU 2016-10-10T03:52:37 < jadew> it looks familiar, you might have linked that before 2016-10-10T03:54:25 < jadew> I haven't seen many romanian movies 2016-10-10T03:54:52 < reportingsjr> bummer, even with a linear power supply I still can't get this chip to do anything. 2016-10-10T03:54:52 < jadew> but yeah, all of the ones I've seen were a bit twisted 2016-10-10T03:55:07 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-10T03:55:15 < jadew> I enjoyed this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0297213 2016-10-10T03:56:57 < jadew> how did they translate the title? 2016-10-10T03:59:31 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T04:02:36 -!- fenugrec [~Q@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-10T04:08:40 < aandrew> I wonder if Angela Merkel sounds as "grandmotherly" as Clinton. I have a hard time taking her seriously due to her trying to appeal to that side 2016-10-10T04:14:05 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6qF5NU-ehU 2016-10-10T04:17:37 < Laurenceb_> not watching due to cringe factor 2016-10-10T04:18:04 < Laurenceb_> all round cringe and fail 2016-10-10T04:18:53 < LeelooMinai> Well, it's all true, just applies to homeless people in USA, so what's the problem? :) 2016-10-10T04:19:07 < jadew> wtf, they have footage from romania in there lol 2016-10-10T04:19:08 < LeelooMinai> Maybe except eating birds, but not sure:p 2016-10-10T04:19:29 < jadew> when they say "In other parts of America" they show a train station from my city 2016-10-10T04:19:34 < dongs> lol 2016-10-10T04:19:45 < dongs> either that or americans cloned it 2016-10-10T04:19:57 < jadew> no, I could even recognize the trash cans 2016-10-10T04:20:39 < jadew> (in the romanian colors) 2016-10-10T04:21:12 < jadew> haha, that's in romania lol 2016-10-10T04:22:11 < LeelooMinai> Romania, USA, same, same - somewhere to the west of Asia 2016-10-10T04:23:31 < jadew> from 2:14 to about 3:30, it's the main train station in my city 2016-10-10T04:24:26 < LeelooMinai> jadew: lol, interesting - I actually thought it was in Lodz, Poland, where I lived for some time - had to check, because it looks so similar to one place there. 2016-10-10T04:25:00 < LeelooMinai> Thought I get a hint from the trolly that probably not. In Lodz those trolleys actually use rails. 2016-10-10T04:25:20 < jadew> we have rail ones too 2016-10-10T04:25:43 < jadew> but not in front of the main entrance to the station 2016-10-10T04:26:01 < LeelooMinai> In Lodz that was a theater. 2016-10-10T04:26:24 < LeelooMinai> But now I see the building is different: http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/8/10452/z10452368Q,Teatr-Wielki---projektanci--Jozef-Kaban-Korski--Wi.jpg 2016-10-10T04:26:26 < jadew> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Gara_de_Nord,_Bucuresti_-_panoramic_-b.jpg 2016-10-10T04:27:46 < jadew> the side on the right (visible in the video) is still part of the station, it's a secondary entry and they also have footage in front of it (with those people eating the soup) 2016-10-10T04:27:49 < LeelooMinai> The taxi is still there though:) 2016-10-10T04:28:10 < jadew> hehe 2016-10-10T04:28:14 < jadew> yeah, it's a taxi station there 2016-10-10T04:28:18 < jadew> awful rates tho 2016-10-10T04:28:52 < LeelooMinai> Koreans should get a hint seeing that in US cars are mnuch bigger usually than in Europe 2016-10-10T04:29:06 < jadew> like they'd know that 2016-10-10T04:29:18 -!- specing [~specing@unaffiliated/specing] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-10T04:29:18 < LeelooMinai> US car in Europe would not even have a place to park probably:p 2016-10-10T04:29:24 -!- Ultrasauce [~quassel@blk-215-99-124.eastlink.ca] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2016-10-10T04:29:38 < jadew> heh, yeah, it would have a hard time 2016-10-10T04:29:45 < jadew> we have a problem with parking anyway 2016-10-10T04:29:55 -!- ReadError [readerror@ec2-50-19-189-163.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-10T04:30:06 -!- ReadError_ [readerror@ec2-50-19-189-163.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T04:30:28 < LeelooMinai> Most of them - like cadillacs - they are huge. Like a little boat:) 2016-10-10T04:30:29 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-10T04:30:36 -!- Ultrasauce [~quassel@blk-215-99-124.eastlink.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T04:30:44 < LeelooMinai> I guess good if you have a crash... 2016-10-10T04:30:57 -!- yan [~user@162.243.0.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-10T04:31:28 < jadew> hehe 2016-10-10T04:31:45 < jadew> I wouldn't mind a bigger car 2016-10-10T04:31:51 < jadew> they feel safer 2016-10-10T04:32:12 < jadew> yes 2016-10-10T04:32:17 < LeelooMinai> For safer get A volvo:) 2016-10-10T04:32:19 < jadew> why do you ask? 2016-10-10T04:32:25 < jadew> I had a volvo :P 2016-10-10T04:32:58 < jadew> I likeed mine 2016-10-10T04:33:04 < jadew> s40 2016-10-10T04:33:32 < jadew> (the old S40) I see they have a nicer one now 2016-10-10T04:34:02 < jadew> especially since they got bought by the chinese 2016-10-10T04:34:05 < LeelooMinai> Used to be. Nowadays I have no clue - not into cars. 2016-10-10T04:34:29 < jadew> I like german cars 2016-10-10T04:34:45 < jadew> audi too 2016-10-10T04:35:24 < LeelooMinai> Black BMW or Audi - the choice of Polish mafia:) 2016-10-10T04:35:29 -!- specing [~specing@unaffiliated/specing] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T04:35:42 < LeelooMinai> With black windows too of course. 2016-10-10T04:35:42 < jadew> I haven't driven a mercedes, but I had a BMW and they're very nice cars 2016-10-10T04:35:46 < jadew> but englishman is right 2016-10-10T04:36:03 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Organized crime... 2016-10-10T04:36:06 < jadew> they're usually driven by idiots 2016-10-10T04:37:44 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T04:38:17 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T04:38:18 < LeelooMinai> englishman probably has Rols Royce:p 2016-10-10T04:38:30 < stvn> ya fucked it 2016-10-10T04:39:27 -!- yan [~user@162.243.0.148] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T04:42:05 < LeelooMinai> Crazy Russian Automobille Afficionado Attack 2016-10-10T04:43:58 < LeelooMinai> "I only have c4" 2016-10-10T04:45:17 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T04:47:37 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie_qqu07iMk 2016-10-10T04:50:31 < jadew> R2COM, what's with you and blowjobs in cars? 2016-10-10T04:50:54 < jadew> I got blowjobs while doing 100+ km/h :D 2016-10-10T04:51:30 < dongs> R2COM in his new C63 http://i.imgur.com/lZMSjux.gifv 2016-10-10T04:52:39 < stvn> does it have 3 wheels 2016-10-10T04:53:01 < jadew> how much is that car anyway? 2016-10-10T04:53:06 < jadew> c63 2016-10-10T04:54:24 < jadew> I'm not familiar with that kind of pricing 2016-10-10T04:55:07 < jadew> ah ha 2016-10-10T04:55:19 < jadew> so what's the deal, is everyone leasing in there? 2016-10-10T04:55:39 < stvn> pumping it 2016-10-10T04:56:07 < stvn> i just drive a pickle wagon i picked up off the side of the road for $100 2016-10-10T04:56:57 < jadew> and loaning is better? 2016-10-10T04:57:22 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/3f133e27749e465cfa09b1643c7505dbee639951a9168dd434d6b81efb7d127d.jpg 2016-10-10T04:58:04 < Laurenceb_> CENTIPEDE 2016-10-10T04:58:10 < stvn> hi Laurenceb_ 2016-10-10T04:58:16 < jadew> R2COM, well, if you loan it, then you'll never own it 2016-10-10T04:58:23 < stvn> i can keep you company today on the internet 2016-10-10T04:58:24 < Laurenceb_> nope its too cringe 2016-10-10T04:58:27 < Laurenceb_> time ot turn off 2016-10-10T04:58:54 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/abc1784f51243643eba2efc32de20f6d2c659dd8f1db0a4210146ac7d2a7f14b.png 2016-10-10T04:59:16 < jadew> If you end up paying less or equal to the value the car loses in the amount of time you have it, then loaning is worth it, otherwise, I don't think so 2016-10-10T04:59:41 < stvn> i'd borrow money for heroin 2016-10-10T04:59:43 < jadew> because if you buy it and it doesn't loses that value, it means you would pay less, if you resell it 2016-10-10T04:59:47 < stvn> sell it for more money 2016-10-10T04:59:52 < Laurenceb_> SOROS NAMED 2016-10-10T04:59:59 < Laurenceb_> S O R O S 2016-10-10T05:00:05 < stvn> Laurenceb_, wtf are you saying man? 2016-10-10T05:00:10 < jadew> R2COM, for example, if you loan a car and you pay 20k in 2 years 2016-10-10T05:00:22 < jadew> but if you buy it, it loses only 15k in 2 years 2016-10-10T05:00:35 < jadew> then you would have spent 5k less if you bought, instead of loaned 2016-10-10T05:00:52 < stvn> car so cheap 2016-10-10T05:00:58 < stvn> you can buy new car for 15k 2016-10-10T05:01:41 < jadew> how much would you pay for a car that costs say... 15k new 2016-10-10T05:02:39 < jadew> I mean if you loaned 2016-10-10T05:02:46 < jadew> how much would you pay per month? 2016-10-10T05:02:58 < jadew> you said 5% + total value 2016-10-10T05:03:03 < jadew> I don't understand what that means 2016-10-10T05:03:10 < jadew> across what period? 2016-10-10T05:03:21 < jadew> in how much time? 2016-10-10T05:03:55 < jadew> maybe I don't understand loaning 2016-10-10T05:04:13 < jadew> isn't loaning when you pay to use but never own it? 2016-10-10T05:04:42 < jadew> oh 2016-10-10T05:04:46 < jadew> that's the opposite here 2016-10-10T05:05:08 < jadew> yeah, that's what we call leasing 2016-10-10T05:05:41 < jadew> there is, I don't take part in that tho 2016-10-10T05:05:45 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/votegiantmeteor 2016-10-10T05:05:53 < Laurenceb_> finally something I can support 2016-10-10T05:06:17 < jadew> it is 2016-10-10T05:06:33 < jadew> new too 2016-10-10T05:07:01 < stvn> help shape the future of america 2016-10-10T05:07:13 < jadew> R2COM, why not? 2016-10-10T05:07:39 < stvn> he's going to save america from the dindus 2016-10-10T05:07:47 < jadew> I wouldn't pay that for a car 2016-10-10T05:07:55 < stvn> same even if i had a 1 inch penis 2016-10-10T05:08:20 < stvn> of course 2016-10-10T05:08:27 < jadew> yeah, I suppose 2016-10-10T05:08:30 < stvn> i'd rather give it to starving africans 2016-10-10T05:08:34 < jadew> but there are a lot of rich romanians that can afford that 2016-10-10T05:08:44 < jadew> including some of my friends... fucking dentists 2016-10-10T05:09:02 < stvn> gotta get that loan mate 2016-10-10T05:09:07 < stvn> get that car 2016-10-10T05:09:15 < stvn> so you can impress the neighbours 2016-10-10T05:09:34 < jadew> stvn, he's doing it for the chicks 2016-10-10T05:09:37 < stvn> the the neighbour buys a porsche 2016-10-10T05:09:46 < stvn> so then mr americah gotta get the ferrari 2016-10-10T05:10:16 < stvn> of course 2016-10-10T05:10:25 < stvn> absolutely 2016-10-10T05:10:39 < stvn> that's okay you won't be needing one 2016-10-10T05:11:14 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-10T05:11:55 < stvn> oh that's a bit out of my budget 2016-10-10T05:12:49 < stvn> the people's car 2016-10-10T05:12:52 < stvn> the fuhrer's model 2016-10-10T05:12:58 < stvn> hahaha 2016-10-10T05:13:06 < stvn> gassing the jews one day... gassing everyone else the next 2016-10-10T05:13:14 < stvn> volksfuhrer 2016-10-10T05:13:34 < stvn> he had an awesome plan 2016-10-10T05:15:03 < stvn> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1974-Volkswagen-Kombi-Green-Manual-4sp-M-Van-/172355715249 2016-10-10T05:15:46 < stvn> Odometer 56656 2016-10-10T05:15:48 < stvn> wow 2016-10-10T05:16:07 < stvn> i'd take it for a spin and park it at 66666 2016-10-10T05:16:17 < stvn> well that's gay 2016-10-10T05:16:28 < stvn> i've only ever seen 6 digit odometer 2016-10-10T05:16:47 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-10T05:16:58 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Found that for you: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IQF-z9oOhMM/hqdefault.jpg 2016-10-10T05:17:02 < stvn> the dogs 2016-10-10T05:19:06 < stvn> i want to drive around in a vintage kombi dropping off replica zyklon b canisters to certain neighbourhoods 2016-10-10T05:20:08 < stvn> nah SICP 2016-10-10T05:20:39 < stvn> http://sicp.shithouse.tv/sicp.jpg 2016-10-10T05:20:59 < stvn> i want to make a book about 'things i would do if i won the lottery' 2016-10-10T05:21:30 < LeelooMinai> Pff 2016-10-10T05:21:46 < LeelooMinai> I changed gender? 2016-10-10T05:22:17 < stvn> first on the list is i'd open a store next to 'the good guys (whitegood retailer)' called 'the bad guys' where staff had to dress up in devil suits with pitch forks 2016-10-10T05:22:30 < LeelooMinai> You know things got weird when you go on IRC,join a microcontroller-related channel and you learn that you have changed gender:p 2016-10-10T05:22:47 < stvn> LeelooMinai now on bash.org 2016-10-10T05:26:53 < stvn> america is pretty cool http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/dont-miss/210626830-story 2016-10-10T05:27:08 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, so I wonder. With GPIOs they have 16-pin registers for each port, but how are non-bound pins handled? I mean there's no bond wire obviously to the physical pin, but what about the actual circuit on the die? Is it somehow cut off from the rest of the die, or just powered down, or what? 2016-10-10T05:27:52 < LeelooMinai> But it's not bold... 2016-10-10T05:28:24 < LeelooMinai> I wonder if values in those registers have any effect whatsoever. 2016-10-10T05:29:21 < stvn> yeah who knows 2016-10-10T05:29:30 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Can you decap an L4 for me and probe those places on the die. kthx 2016-10-10T05:29:36 < stvn> yay 2016-10-10T05:29:47 < stvn> get out the HF 2016-10-10T05:30:13 < LeelooMinai> azonenberg on #fpga 2016-10-10T05:30:37 < LeelooMinai> He did some decapping 2016-10-10T05:31:07 < LeelooMinai> But in general - not a good idea, due to nasty chemicals needed. 2016-10-10T05:35:21 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-10T05:35:47 < LeelooMinai> Damn. L4 cmsis header file is 14k lines - Eclipse even got a message if I want to turn on some special mode so things do not slow down... 2016-10-10T05:44:13 < dongs> astonerberg is a fucking poser 2016-10-10T05:44:26 < dongs> of course its only natural that a M2f like LeelooMinai would care about his lies or follow his bullshit on irc 2016-10-10T05:44:33 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Is there someone on IRC you like? :) 2016-10-10T05:45:49 < LeelooMinai> But to be fair, he is certainly not a poser - he knows the FPGA stuff well at least. 2016-10-10T05:46:20 < LeelooMinai> Can design boards too (in KiCAD, but whatever:) 2016-10-10T05:47:34 < LeelooMinai> And seems to know a lot about CPU design, etc. I think his thesis was about some networked system-on-FPGA he designed. 2016-10-10T05:47:42 < dongs> no he doesnt 2016-10-10T05:47:54 < dongs> he "designed" a single FPGA board which was a copypaste of some nexys board schematic 2016-10-10T05:47:59 < dongs> and it needed rework and he never did v2 2016-10-10T05:48:14 < dongs> he has never done anything that acutally amounts to a completed product/project 2016-10-10T05:48:29 < dongs> the "board" was part of his thesis, which he gimped through to somewhat get it working and never revisited again 2016-10-10T05:48:31 < LeelooMinai> Man,it's like you sit in his room almost. 2016-10-10T05:48:34 < dongs> but all this big talk 2016-10-10T05:48:43 < LeelooMinai> Not sure where you get all those details from:) 2016-10-10T05:48:52 < dongs> from watching him brag about stuff 2016-10-10T05:49:08 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T05:49:24 < LeelooMinai> I don't think for a thesis you need something production-ready. 2016-10-10T05:49:30 < dongs> you dont. 2016-10-10T05:49:36 < dongs> but he talks like he made 100s of completed things 2016-10-10T05:50:39 < LeelooMinai> I saw some boards he made - seemed ok. 2016-10-10T05:50:46 < LeelooMinai> Some PDU unit, some FPGA ones. 2016-10-10T05:51:33 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: It's called "theory" 2016-10-10T05:52:38 < LeelooMinai> Probably a generalisation? :p 2016-10-10T06:04:29 < stvn> i gotta chop my weiner off 2016-10-10T06:04:33 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: l8r] 2016-10-10T06:17:24 < reportingsjr> dongs: huh, I've seen probably 20-30 fpga boards he has completed and had running 2016-10-10T06:17:51 < dongs> REALLY NOW. 2016-10-10T06:17:59 < dongs> thats pretty funny cuz ive only seen one, and it was shit 2016-10-10T06:18:18 < reportingsjr> so.. you having only seen one means that he's only ever done one? 2016-10-10T06:18:25 * reportingsjr scratches head 2016-10-10T06:18:37 < dongs> why dont you link to those 30 then 2016-10-10T06:18:46 < dongs> all i ever seen was non-working copy of nexys shit. 2016-10-10T06:18:48 < reportingsjr> are you initials djt by any chance? 2016-10-10T06:19:40 < LeelooMinai> dongs: https://twitter.com/azonenberg/media?lang=en 2016-10-10T06:19:53 < LeelooMinai> Seems like there are lots of designs there. 2016-10-10T06:21:14 < dongs> i see nothing completed 2016-10-10T06:21:22 < LeelooMinai> dongs really like wishfull thinking: everyone on IRC is M2F, does not know anything about anything, and is a SJW:p 2016-10-10T06:21:23 < dongs> i see some bullshit with "done soon" and "comong real soon now" 2016-10-10T06:21:32 < dongs> and most of that shit is from 20156 2016-10-10T06:21:34 < dongs> er 2015 2016-10-10T06:21:46 < dongs> if it wasn't "finished" by Q4 2016, its not going to be 2016-10-10T06:21:56 < reportingsjr> dongs: lol, I'm guessing your job must be really frustrating and you take out your frustrations on people on irc? 2016-10-10T06:22:05 < dongs> https://twitter.com/azonenberg/status/667210100218572800 2016-10-10T06:22:07 < dongs> perfect example 2016-10-10T06:22:12 < reportingsjr> every time I've been in a channel with you in the last few years you do exactly this :P 2016-10-10T06:22:21 < dongs> he cant even fucking do a footprint for a through-hole connector 2016-10-10T06:22:24 < reportingsjr> you're gonna have a heart attack if you keep being that angry, haha. 2016-10-10T06:22:46 < LeelooMinai> I imagine dongs as that midget guy from Ron Donovan. 2016-10-10T06:22:49 < reportingsjr> R2COM: oh, ok 2016-10-10T06:22:51 < dongs> yeah im not angry just stating facts here 2016-10-10T06:23:01 < dongs> astonerberg is a poser. the end 2016-10-10T06:23:16 < LeelooMinai> Ray Donovan* 2016-10-10T06:23:46 < reportingsjr> dongs: it's ok dongs, let it out. 2016-10-10T06:24:19 < dongs> where's your stm32 projects? 2016-10-10T06:24:25 < dongs> all i see is you defending stoners 2016-10-10T06:24:37 < reportingsjr> I accidentally lost them 2016-10-10T06:24:40 < dongs> < reportingsjr> How sensitive are STM32F1s to noise on their power rail? 2016-10-10T06:24:43 < dongs> they're not 2016-10-10T06:24:51 < reportingsjr> weed made my memory bad 2016-10-10T06:24:51 < dongs> unless you're talking some huge noise here. 2016-10-10T06:25:02 < reportingsjr> I can't remember where I left them 2016-10-10T06:25:43 < reportingsjr> dongs: can I see some of yours? I want to learn from people who know what they are doing. 2016-10-10T06:26:04 < dongs> i'll pass, irc is tno a dick measuring contest 2016-10-10T06:26:05 < dongs> NOT e ven 2016-10-10T06:26:13 < reportingsjr> I just want to learn from you 2016-10-10T06:28:25 < LeelooMinai> YOu can only learn hate:) 2016-10-10T06:28:34 < reportingsjr> neat 2016-10-10T06:32:45 < reportingsjr> R2COM: no one is saying dongs is useless, that's mean. 2016-10-10T06:34:12 < reportingsjr> say again? I don't get very good reception here 2016-10-10T06:34:17 < dongs> i do recall reportingsjr being overly SJW'ish 2016-10-10T06:34:19 < dongs> in our previous encounters 2016-10-10T06:34:23 < dongs> always supporting hackkitten and such 2016-10-10T06:34:41 < reportingsjr> wut is hackkitten? 2016-10-10T06:34:50 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Why on earth supporting hackitten would be a bad thing? 2016-10-10T06:35:07 < dongs> if you have to ask 2016-10-10T06:35:29 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I think that's a valid question... 2016-10-10T06:35:54 < LeelooMinai> You think being a bigot and hater is somethow a good thing? :) 2016-10-10T06:36:48 < LeelooMinai> If you you are few centuries old in your worldview imo:p 2016-10-10T06:37:01 * reportingsjr stills wants to know what/who hackkitten is 2016-10-10T06:37:10 < reportingsjr> if I'm going to support something I might as well know what it is 2016-10-10T06:37:42 < LeelooMinai> reportingsjr: I think hackitten was either a hemaphrodite or transsexcual person - something like that. 2016-10-10T06:37:51 < LeelooMinai> Well, is... I don't think she died:) 2016-10-10T06:38:08 < LeelooMinai> I remember her from ##electronics and ##fpga 2016-10-10T06:38:54 < LeelooMinai> I think that's her: http://www.mayaposch.com/ 2016-10-10T06:39:32 < reportingsjr> ohhhh, is dongs one of those chat bots that argues with people? 2016-10-10T06:39:56 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Seriously, there's something wrong with you... 2016-10-10T06:40:22 < LeelooMinai> Wth do you care about her even. It's her life... 2016-10-10T06:43:12 < dongs> R2COM: yeah just google "hackkitten" if you want 2016-10-10T06:43:20 < dongs> stop calling dudes "her" 2016-10-10T06:44:04 < LeelooMinai> dongs: I don't think your opinion on this matters much... 2016-10-10T06:47:16 < dongs> dont think i asked your opinion if my opinion matters 2016-10-10T06:47:44 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Are you mentally challenged or something? :p 2016-10-10T06:49:18 < LeelooMinai> I have never seen any "filth" from her on IRC. On the other hand, in this channel, yes, I have seen a lot of filth. 2016-10-10T06:49:48 < dongs> i think all SJWs need to move to #stm32-sjw 2016-10-10T06:49:51 < dongs> or #sjw32 2016-10-10T06:49:56 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You asked for details, so I clued you in... 2016-10-10T06:50:21 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Don't really want to know, don't ask the questions imo - or is it too logic for you? :) 2016-10-10T06:51:36 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: "disgusting" is a subjective thing as I already wrote. To many people you and dongs are far more disgusting than poor hackitten:) 2016-10-10T06:51:53 < dongs> "poor" 2016-10-10T06:52:02 < dongs> the only people ever sympathising with M2F are other M2Fs 2016-10-10T06:52:25 < dongs> s->z there somewehre 2016-10-10T06:52:27 < LeelooMinai> dongs: lol, keep imagining that 2016-10-10T06:52:34 < dongs> to the rest of normal world population, its fucking gross 2016-10-10T06:53:01 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You see - finally you start writing statements that make sense - good for you:p 2016-10-10T06:53:38 < LeelooMinai> I bet for dongs normal people are like him:) 2016-10-10T06:54:25 < LeelooMinai> I hope I don't have to explain how absurd is that... 2016-10-10T06:55:08 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You are unnatural to me with your "morality" and views, so what? :) 2016-10-10T06:55:56 < LeelooMinai> Holy crap, R2COM talks anout "antihuman" - that's beyond ironic. 2016-10-10T06:56:33 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You realize you are a homophobe which is pretty close to "antihuman"? 2016-10-10T06:56:41 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-10T06:56:59 < dongs> how the fuck is hating fags "antihuman" 2016-10-10T06:57:06 < dongs> thats normal in my book 2016-10-10T06:57:23 < LeelooMinai> Normal is meaningless - not sure why you even use this world. 2016-10-10T06:57:46 < LeelooMinai> He and you are homophobes - why pretend that's not the case? 2016-10-10T06:58:52 < dongs> i'm sorryt but im not into dudes cocks in my ass 2016-10-10T06:58:55 < dongs> is that too much to ask? 2016-10-10T06:59:12 < LeelooMinai> I don't see how what you wrote is relevant to anything... 2016-10-10T06:59:24 < dongs> thats what a "homophone" is 2016-10-10T06:59:27 < LeelooMinai> I was not talking about your sexual preferences:) 2016-10-10T06:59:28 < dongs> someoen who doesnt like cocks 2016-10-10T06:59:34 < dongs> er homophobe 2016-10-10T06:59:35 < LeelooMinai> lol... 2016-10-10T06:59:53 < LeelooMinai> You don't even know the definition of the world, so I don't know why we are even trying to talk here. 2016-10-10T06:59:58 < LeelooMinai> word* 2016-10-10T07:00:33 < LeelooMinai> Sorry but you guys are just fail in terms of being human in general - zero sense. 2016-10-10T07:03:50 < LeelooMinai> Man, it'slike talking to some caveman... 2016-10-10T07:04:40 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: What are you even writing there... I do not admire anything. All I was saying is that hackitten seemed to be nice person and she has right to do with her life as she deems necessary. 2016-10-10T07:05:36 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Also, I wrote that you calling her "filthy" is homophobic, which in turn is ironic, since you think her actions are somehow "antihuman". 2016-10-10T07:05:52 < dongs> stop fucking calling dudes" her" 2016-10-10T07:06:02 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Stop being an idiot and focus on things like "he", "she". 2016-10-10T07:06:42 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: As I wrote. You are like a caveman. You focus on completelly pointless things, and have 0 epathy. 2016-10-10T07:06:57 < LeelooMinai> empathy* 2016-10-10T07:07:12 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2016-10-10T07:07:23 < LeelooMinai> Kind of scary to be honest:) 2016-10-10T07:08:30 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Says who? 2016-10-10T07:08:39 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T07:08:57 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You are an idiot. I wrote few lines above that I don't admire it. 2016-10-10T07:09:12 < LeelooMinai> And yet, you keep writing those things, like a robot. 2016-10-10T07:09:20 < dongs> not only do you admire it, you practice same thing yourself 2016-10-10T07:09:40 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: There's a big difference between support and admire... 2016-10-10T07:10:02 < LeelooMinai> Right, now I practice something... Voodoo? :p 2016-10-10T07:10:09 < dongs> M2F 2016-10-10T07:10:53 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: "Right person"... What does that even mean... Seriously, you think you are a kind of "right person" on IRC? Some kind of model of this? Lol... 2016-10-10T07:12:30 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: People who use "normal" in this way are primitive. If you comprehended the meaning of "normality", you would see that using it to justify anything is meaningless. 2016-10-10T07:13:35 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You are just weak and confused at best and try to use normality as a shield and deflection mechanism - it's kind of sad imo 2016-10-10T07:14:25 < LeelooMinai> I watched South Park like 15 years ago... how many seasons is there. 2016-10-10T07:15:34 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: It's like talking to a 5 yo with you - I don't even know if it's possible to coprehend why your views are primitive and not something one should take seriously. 2016-10-10T07:16:23 < LeelooMinai> But I think I know how it happened that Trump is almost the president now... 2016-10-10T07:17:05 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: I am talking about your opinions in general and how you justify them. 2016-10-10T07:17:12 < dongs> bringing trump into this, lol. 2016-10-10T07:17:13 < LeelooMinai> Towards other people that is. 2016-10-10T07:17:48 < LeelooMinai> R2COM is his supporter, so if others like are him... :) 2016-10-10T07:17:58 < LeelooMinai> That would explain a lot imo:p 2016-10-10T07:19:00 < dongs> any normal person is a trump supporter 2016-10-10T07:19:26 < LeelooMinai> One mire time I will read "normal", and I will get depressed... 2016-10-10T07:19:34 < dongs> do it 2016-10-10T07:19:38 < dongs> get depressed and suicide 2016-10-10T07:19:55 < LeelooMinai> dongs: You realize neither you or R2COM are "normal" to the rest of the world? :) 2016-10-10T07:20:02 < dongs> just like last time wehn your M2F transition was doing too well and you still looked like a dude 2016-10-10T07:20:05 < dongs> despite tryin hard on irc 2016-10-10T07:21:56 < LeelooMinai> dongs: You trying to somehow "get to me" is lame - it does not do anything. 2016-10-10T07:22:33 < LeelooMinai> You could as well try claiming I am an alien or an incarnation or Elvis - that's just fanny, not offensive to me:) 2016-10-10T07:22:42 < LeelooMinai> funny* 2016-10-10T07:23:00 < dongs> your first mistake is thinking I'm trying to "get" you anything 2016-10-10T07:23:24 < dongs> chatting facts about your life on irc is not "getting" 2016-10-10T07:23:26 < LeelooMinai> "get to me" = upset me, in case you need hints 2016-10-10T07:23:47 < dongs> i know what the word means, thanks 2016-10-10T07:24:04 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: I am not torturing myself... WHy do you think that. It's rather amusing for me so far. 2016-10-10T07:24:24 < dongs> oh we have full circl;e autism now 2016-10-10T07:24:34 < dongs> i guess time to get to work 2016-10-10T07:39:12 < jpa-> dongs: this just in, smoothieware is considering porting from mbed to nuttx :D 2016-10-10T07:39:25 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T07:39:37 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-10T07:40:19 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T07:40:40 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T07:45:02 < ReadErr> ohsix: so who you think won 2016-10-10T07:45:40 < dongs> jpa-: well, that would be an improvement 2016-10-10T07:45:42 < dongs> honestly 2016-10-10T07:45:53 < dongs> are they also considering dumping LPC trash while they're at it? 2016-10-10T07:55:46 < aandrew> fuck you altium 2016-10-10T07:55:49 < aandrew> right in your fucking ear 2016-10-10T07:55:52 < aandrew> motherfucker 2016-10-10T07:55:55 < aandrew> just lost an hour of routing 2016-10-10T07:56:03 < aandrew> fucking access violate my foot in your fucking ass 2016-10-10T07:56:10 < aandrew> god damn it! 2016-10-10T07:56:12 < LeelooMinai> No autisaves? 2016-10-10T07:56:16 < LeelooMinai> autosaves* 2016-10-10T07:56:20 < aandrew> yeah, every 5 min 2016-10-10T07:56:26 < aandrew> last PCB autosave: 12:09am 2016-10-10T07:56:33 < LeelooMinai> Should be there in the directory... 2016-10-10T07:56:34 < aandrew> last sch autosave: 12:52am 2016-10-10T07:56:51 < dongs> aandrew: er, ctrl=s often and you can still save while its violating 2016-10-10T07:56:59 < dongs> just dont move the mouse 2016-10-10T07:57:01 < aandrew> tried that 2016-10-10T07:57:05 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T07:57:09 < dongs> works on my machine (tm) 2016-10-10T07:57:40 < aandrew> it works sometimes here 2016-10-10T07:57:50 < ReadErr> aandrew: when you move a trace and it violates and freezes? 2016-10-10T07:57:52 < dongs> what triggered it 2016-10-10T07:58:06 < ReadErr> it happens when push/shove etc is on 2016-10-10T07:58:09 < aandrew> p y instead of p t 2016-10-10T07:58:10 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-10T07:58:32 < ReadErr> even on new versions it happen ;( 2016-10-10T07:58:33 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T07:59:53 < aandrew> god fucking damn it all to hell 2016-10-10T08:00:07 < aandrew> what is the fucking point of an autosave if it doesn't fucking auto fucking save 2016-10-10T08:00:10 < ReadErr> ohsix: i was saying they would be bff 2016-10-10T08:00:15 < aandrew> it even pauses every 5 min because windows can't do disk i/o for shit 2016-10-10T08:00:16 < ReadErr> and are almost the same 2016-10-10T08:00:32 < dongs> aandrew: wrong, it pauses beacuse altium is a shitty single thread piece of trash written in pascal 2016-10-10T08:00:37 < ReadErr> both hardcore channist 2016-10-10T08:00:40 < ReadErr> both in the uk 2016-10-10T08:00:40 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-10T08:00:46 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-10T08:01:20 < aandrew> motherfucking piece of shit 2016-10-10T08:01:25 < aandrew> ugh 2016-10-10T08:01:31 < dongs> aandrew: i dont know why you dont ctrl+s every few mins automatically. 2016-10-10T08:01:40 < dongs> my history folder is usaully few 100megabytes exactly because of that 2016-10-10T08:01:41 < aandrew> I have been ^sing 2016-10-10T08:01:44 < aandrew> that's what I don't get 2016-10-10T08:01:48 < aandrew> it's like it didn't fucking save 2016-10-10T08:01:53 < dongs> then check history? 2016-10-10T08:01:55 < aandrew> file/save all, ^s, do it all the fucking time 2016-10-10T08:01:58 < ReadErr> you can try to recovery aandrew 2016-10-10T08:02:05 < aandrew> yeah history has a grea tbackup at 12:56, it contains one file dated 12:06am 2016-10-10T08:02:09 < ReadErr> theres an option for it 2016-10-10T08:02:17 < ReadErr> its worked before when I needed 2016-10-10T08:02:20 < dongs> sounds liek your shit is just broken bro 2016-10-10T08:02:29 < aandrew> yeah 2016-10-10T08:02:34 < aandrew> ReadErr: I don't see any recovery shit 2016-10-10T08:02:41 < ReadErr> I dont have it open here 2016-10-10T08:02:49 < ReadErr> but I had corruption once and there was some way to fix 2016-10-10T08:02:51 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Ar you looking in the actual directory? 2016-10-10T08:02:56 < aandrew> yeah 2016-10-10T08:02:58 < dongs> aandrew: recovery = history 2016-10-10T08:02:58 < LeelooMinai> I mean with explorer. 2016-10-10T08:03:08 < dongs> which yo ualready said was not there 2016-10-10T08:07:27 < ReadErr> they are both in to meme magic hardcore 2016-10-10T08:07:57 < ReadErr> w/e the fuck that really is 2016-10-10T08:09:24 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-10T08:13:09 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-10T08:13:33 < aandrew> this is so fucked 2016-10-10T08:13:37 < aandrew> ok so it autosaved 2016-10-10T08:13:43 < aandrew> I went into the history 2016-10-10T08:13:47 < aandrew> there's a zipfile dated right fucking now 2016-10-10T08:13:50 < aandrew> I open the zip 2016-10-10T08:13:56 < aandrew> the pcbdoc file is dated 1:06am 2016-10-10T08:14:07 < dongs> but are the contents ok 2016-10-10T08:14:10 < dongs> stop lookin at dates 2016-10-10T08:14:22 < aandrew> yeah I am gonna check that righ tnow 2016-10-10T08:15:24 < ReadErr> yea it was something like that aandrew 2016-10-10T08:15:29 < ReadErr> its saved me once 2016-10-10T08:16:42 < aandrew> nope still was old 2016-10-10T08:16:46 < aandrew> whatever 2016-10-10T08:16:47 < aandrew> fuck this 2016-10-10T08:17:19 < LeelooMinai> Did you try to look at it? 2016-10-10T08:17:23 < aandrew> yeah 2016-10-10T08:17:39 < aandrew> I unzipped the backup, took the hour-ago dated pcbdoc file and opened it to see 2016-10-10T08:17:41 < aandrew> it's old 2016-10-10T08:19:23 < LeelooMinai> Well, it's only an hour... could be much worse I guess. 2016-10-10T08:19:46 < aandrew> yeah 2016-10-10T08:19:50 < aandrew> I've already been rerouting 2016-10-10T08:19:52 < aandrew> just sucks 2016-10-10T08:20:00 < jpa-> dongs: no, but moving to lpc43xx 2016-10-10T08:20:09 < aandrew> and really pisses me off because if I was paying full price this would be really really fucking annoying 2016-10-10T08:20:20 < dongs> ew. 2016-10-10T08:26:09 < dongs> i think the more you pay for altium the less it crashes 2016-10-10T08:26:12 < dongs> cuz it never crashes for me 2016-10-10T08:26:28 < dongs> well, "never" more like, "very rarely" and they're always recoverable fails. 2016-10-10T08:26:38 < dongs> ive never had that outdates history stuff 2016-10-10T08:26:41 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T08:34:41 < ReadErr> ohsix: some guy on efnet was sayin that hillary's closing statement, she has some shit on his kids 2016-10-10T08:35:56 < ReadErr> but their spouse? 2016-10-10T08:37:22 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T08:37:56 < dongs> does USA election affect availability of STM32 chips? 2016-10-10T08:44:30 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-10T08:45:10 < ReadErr> idk he fucked himself with the threats w/ his attorney general 2016-10-10T08:45:19 < ReadErr> if he loses, hes screwed 2016-10-10T08:59:57 < ReadErr> ECU? 2016-10-10T09:01:34 < aandrew> dongs: I have a legit license 2016-10-10T09:01:40 < aandrew> no different than any pro 2016-10-10T09:01:42 < dongs> i know 2016-10-10T09:01:47 < aandrew> actually it's coming up for renewal next month 2016-10-10T09:01:58 < aandrew> hope my kid didn't drop out of college 2016-10-10T09:02:07 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLSWB0fycXM attn R2COM 2016-10-10T09:11:18 < dongs> nice 2016-10-10T09:11:28 < dongs> just got pcbs that were supposed to havce a cutout in them 2016-10-10T09:11:31 < dongs> and of course they didnt 2016-10-10T09:11:43 < dongs> since I only made 'board cutout' but not in keepout layer 2016-10-10T09:14:12 < ReadErr> snifffff 2016-10-10T09:16:24 < emeb_mac> ooops 2016-10-10T09:16:33 < emeb_mac> what sw let you do that? 2016-10-10T09:21:35 < ReadErr> if you do too much you end up with something much more unreliable it seems 2016-10-10T09:29:26 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T09:33:00 -!- _franck__ [527f6536@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.127.101.54] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T09:34:59 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-10T09:35:50 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T09:38:25 < PaulFertser> ohsix: don't you miss the days of mechanical fuel pump, carb and timing chain instead of a belt? Ah, and the mechanical interrupter too ;) 2016-10-10T09:40:53 < PaulFertser> ohsix: my motorbike has no pump at all, carb, timing chain, magnetto-like ignition. Seems to work fine so far. But today it's about 2C and the idle speed started to float, enough to occassionally stop the engine, heh. 2016-10-10T09:41:38 -!- dohzer [~dohzer@59-102-29-141.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T09:42:08 < PaulFertser> Well, probably 3C now. 2016-10-10T09:42:35 < PaulFertser> How is transmission type related to fuel system? 2016-10-10T09:42:48 < PaulFertser> Nope, 4-stroke of course. 2-3C is the outside temperature. 2016-10-10T09:43:24 < PaulFertser> No need to pull fuel if it's all higher then the carb, just let the gravity do its thing. 2016-10-10T09:43:50 < PaulFertser> AT is overrated. 2016-10-10T09:43:53 < aandrew> there, pretty much everything is placed 2016-10-10T09:43:58 < aandrew> now just a zillion routes 2016-10-10T09:45:37 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-10T09:48:51 < aandrew> hm 2016-10-10T09:49:03 < aandrew> does anyone have an LSM6 altium lib part? 2016-10-10T09:49:20 < aandrew> how about LSM303AGR (LSM3D is in vault) 2016-10-10T09:57:16 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-10T10:00:54 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-103-73.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T10:14:26 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T10:17:02 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T10:27:44 < Ecco> Hi guys 2016-10-10T10:28:03 < Ecco> I'm still fighting with that LCD backlight :-( 2016-10-10T10:28:16 < Ecco> I eventually found a great solution for LEDs in series 2016-10-10T10:28:31 < Ecco> but some manufacturers only put the LEDs in common-cathode 2016-10-10T10:28:33 < Ecco> like this : http://i.imgur.com/EARHuzU.png 2016-10-10T10:28:38 < Ecco> what would be the proper way to power this? 2016-10-10T10:32:46 < PeterM> depends on the If you want to achieve 2016-10-10T10:33:06 < PeterM> and if yoiu want dimming (by pwm or current control) 2016-10-10T10:35:11 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has left ##stm32 [] 2016-10-10T10:39:09 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.2 - http://znc.in] 2016-10-10T10:43:50 < ReadErr> are you still doing the calculator? 2016-10-10T10:45:16 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T10:47:37 < Ecco> ReadErr: trying to 2016-10-10T10:47:49 < Ecco> I'm aiming at 20mA per LED 2016-10-10T10:47:56 < Ecco> and yeah, dimming is needed 2016-10-10T10:51:06 < upgrdman> um 2016-10-10T10:51:33 < upgrdman> connect all anodes to 3v3. connect cathode to resistor then nmos. pwm nmos gate. done? 2016-10-10T10:52:23 < upgrdman> or maybe go all fancy and use a dual nmos constant-current circuit 2016-10-10T10:52:39 < upgrdman> but then you may need 5+V for the anodes 2016-10-10T10:53:33 < ReadErr> or buy a calculator/phone ;p 2016-10-10T10:53:47 < Ecco> :-D 2016-10-10T10:53:57 < Ecco> upgrdman: That I did already 2016-10-10T10:54:00 < Ecco> Two issues : 2016-10-10T10:54:15 < Ecco> 1/ 3.3V might be under the Vf of the LED (they're given with a Vf between 2.8 and 3.4V) 2016-10-10T10:55:47 < upgrdman> so use 5v or whatever then? 2016-10-10T10:55:51 < Ecco> Yeah, this works 2016-10-10T10:55:55 < Ecco> but then it's rather inefficient 2016-10-10T10:56:01 < Ecco> because you're wasting a lot in the resistor 2016-10-10T10:57:05 < ReadErr> use an IC designed for dimming? 2016-10-10T10:58:16 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.167] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T11:05:22 < upgrdman> fucking google drive. "13 of 15GB used" ... like 7GB of that is in the trash can. seems google drive trashes old versions of files automatically, but never ever purges old shit from the trash. 2016-10-10T11:14:43 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2016-10-10T11:17:30 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T11:19:17 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:98ae:7c81:ab3d:ca5f] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-10T11:27:24 -!- Chris_M|2 [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-11-199.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T11:27:52 -!- damme_ [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T11:30:01 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-41-190.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-10T11:33:39 < Flecks> I love that, I can empty trash myself, would hate if google did that auto... 2016-10-10T11:36:01 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T11:36:11 < jpa-> yeah, sounds reasonable to automatically keep old versions 2016-10-10T11:36:31 < dongs> lol @ using google drive at all --- Log closed Mon Oct 10 11:50:20 2016 --- Log opened Mon Oct 10 11:50:30 2016 2016-10-10T11:50:30 -!- jpa-_ [jpa@hilla.kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T11:50:30 -!- Irssi: ##stm32: Total of 142 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 141 normal] 2016-10-10T11:50:59 -!- gjm [~gjm@unaffiliated/gjm] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-10T11:51:04 -!- gjm_ is now known as gjm 2016-10-10T11:51:09 -!- jpa- [jpa@hilla.kapsi.fi] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-10T11:51:09 -!- gjm [~gjm@arturcieslak.pl] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-10T11:51:09 -!- gjm [~gjm@unaffiliated/gjm] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T11:51:16 -!- You're now known as jpa- 2016-10-10T11:51:51 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T11:52:07 -!- Irssi: Join to ##stm32 was synced in 105 secs 2016-10-10T11:52:32 < stvn> you've got volts, amps 2016-10-10T11:52:34 < stvn> and bullshit 2016-10-10T11:53:05 < stvn> Steffann, where are they 2016-10-10T11:53:17 -!- MightyPork_ [MightyPork@is.aww.moe] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T11:53:18 -!- fest_ [~fest@188.226.203.53] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T11:53:30 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T11:53:41 -!- specing_ [~specing@unaffiliated/specing] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T11:54:12 -!- bsdfox_ [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T11:54:46 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: rager, nighty-, yan, specing, Steffanx, Lux, fest, c10ud^, rewolff, anton02, (+6 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 2016-10-10T11:54:46 -!- bsdfox_ is now known as bobryan 2016-10-10T11:54:48 -!- fest_ is now known as fest 2016-10-10T11:54:48 -!- BrainDamage_ is now known as BrainDamage 2016-10-10T11:54:48 -!- MightyPork_ is now known as MightyPork 2016-10-10T11:55:01 -!- specing_ is now known as specing 2016-10-10T11:55:37 -!- Netsplit over, joins: rager 2016-10-10T11:56:04 < stvn> the whole rig blew up 2016-10-10T11:57:09 < stvn> https://media.giphy.com/media/fpdql5AgW7ziM/giphy.gif 2016-10-10T11:58:03 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2016-10-10T11:59:32 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T12:01:01 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@parabox.it-syndikat.org] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T12:01:17 -!- damme_ [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-10T12:02:29 -!- yan [~user@162.243.0.148] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T12:02:49 < stvn> the internet 2016-10-10T12:03:38 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T12:03:51 -!- rewolff [~wolff@ip113-99-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T12:09:39 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-10T12:14:17 < ReadErr> lol trump says US pays some of the highest tax in the world 2016-10-10T12:14:32 < ReadErr> pretty sure thats not even close to being right 2016-10-10T12:17:19 < Steffann> Loltrump. 2016-10-10T12:17:36 < celeron55> well, according to wikipedia it does seem corporate tax is higher than like in any other country in the world: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_tax#International_corporate_tax_rates 2016-10-10T12:17:52 < Steffann> Oh corporate taxes. 2016-10-10T12:18:04 < Steffann> The only tax trump cared about. 2016-10-10T12:18:42 < celeron55> (but if you read the text, even corporate tax isn't so simple due to taxes on dividends) 2016-10-10T12:19:35 < ReadErr> trumps corp doesnt pay taxes 2016-10-10T12:19:46 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T12:19:56 < celeron55> it's funny how people always mock the other candidate for lying, as if the other one wasn't lying just as much 8) 2016-10-10T12:19:58 < ReadErr> I think people care more about personal income tax 2016-10-10T12:22:23 < stvn> trump rhymes with pump 2016-10-10T12:23:15 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T12:24:51 < ReadErr> did you know that you can carry emails out in a box? 2016-10-10T12:25:22 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-10T12:25:37 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-10T12:26:36 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-10T12:27:45 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T12:27:51 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.153.80] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T12:29:13 < dongs> attn LeelooMinai https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/2PVVPKN 2016-10-10T12:29:32 < stvn> oh dongs :o 2016-10-10T12:30:59 < stvn> if i had a snatch i'd fuck myself all day 2016-10-10T12:31:56 < dongs> probably the thoughts going through LeelooMinai-man version before the M2F conversion 2016-10-10T12:32:09 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-10T12:32:17 < dongs> and now the only thoughts are just "how to fit in, starting from irc" 2016-10-10T12:33:32 < stvn> stm32 conversion 2016-10-10T12:33:37 < dongs> yes 2016-10-10T12:33:48 < dongs> from cortex M3 to Cortex M4F 2016-10-10T12:33:54 < dongs> divided by 2 2016-10-10T12:34:07 < stvn> lol 2016-10-10T12:38:50 < PaulFertser> dongs: do you consider gender to be a relevant concept in today's IT world? 2016-10-10T12:39:00 < dongs> nope] 2016-10-10T12:40:39 < PaulFertser> So fitting in doesn't dependon on it if it's irrelevant. Who fucking cares if the person doing schematics or typing code has a dick or not and what gender identity he or she has? 2016-10-10T12:40:58 < Jak_o_Shadows> +! 2016-10-10T12:44:37 < Steffann> Dongs just cant handle girls on irc. 2016-10-10T12:44:41 < ReadErr> dongs: this doesn't sound related to STM32 2016-10-10T12:44:44 < ReadErr> maybe you should /msg 2016-10-10T12:45:00 < dongs> Steffann: there are no girls on irc 2016-10-10T12:45:25 < Steffann> See cant handle. 2016-10-10T12:45:33 < Steffann> Does not cumpute. 2016-10-10T12:48:03 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-10T12:58:11 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T13:05:38 < stvn> lets pop this in, and play some of that! 2016-10-10T13:06:47 < Steffann> Oookk 2016-10-10T13:06:50 < Steffann> Ay 2016-10-10T13:12:35 < stvn> hi stefn 2016-10-10T13:12:57 < stvn> tec2 on 2nite? 2016-10-10T13:13:18 < stvn> wat m8? 2016-10-10T13:13:44 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-10T13:14:26 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T13:19:31 -!- nighty-_ [~cp@www.taiyolabs.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-10T13:21:11 -!- nighty- [~cp@www.taiyolabs.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T13:28:33 < ReadErr> I love to lick the sweet pre-cum from a black man. Kiss and lick his nipples then deep throat his cock until I gag. I'm willing to travel far for a man who's interested in the best suck he's ever had. Please let me choke and gag on your cock. I can suck off a 9 inch (22.5cm) cock with ease. I also have some great butt pussy. It's tight and can be tamed. 2016-10-10T13:28:33 < ReadErr> Let's deep kiss first! We can share a bottle of wine and get sexy together. 2016-10-10T13:28:36 < ReadErr> ew 2016-10-10T13:28:39 < ReadErr> bad /troll 2016-10-10T13:28:49 < stvn> wat 2016-10-10T13:29:09 < ReadErr> urkcloud tampermonkey script 2016-10-10T13:29:21 < ReadErr> you do /troll and it /says some shit 2016-10-10T13:29:27 < stvn> oh 2016-10-10T13:29:33 < stvn> doesn't work for me 2016-10-10T13:29:33 < jpa-> why would you do that? 2016-10-10T13:29:53 < ReadErr> chats got slow ;/ 2016-10-10T13:29:56 < ReadErr> bored 2016-10-10T13:30:02 < ReadErr> waiting on stuff 2016-10-10T13:30:10 < stvn> at least you could get dong back on his trans rant 2016-10-10T13:30:32 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/10/samsung_halts_production_of_galaxy_note_7/ RIP 2016-10-10T13:30:37 < ReadErr> I wont asskey anymore since it scares upgrdman 2016-10-10T13:32:50 < stvn> i thought it was 'cause senpai flipped his lid over it 2016-10-10T13:33:10 < ReadErr> pfff 2016-10-10T13:33:17 < stvn> :} 2016-10-10T13:33:31 < ReadErr> iphone 7's waterproof thing is pretty cool 2016-10-10T13:33:36 < ReadErr> water resistant 2016-10-10T13:33:37 < ReadErr> w/e 2016-10-10T13:34:18 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Manufacturing/Product-Repair-switch-inner-wires/ this reeks of failed kickstarter 2016-10-10T13:35:07 < ReadErr> make kickstater -> buy indian on freelancer -> make in china -> PROFIT 2016-10-10T13:36:57 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-10T13:38:17 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T13:54:08 < stvn> lol 2016-10-10T13:54:31 < stvn> i told ##amiga i was going to neck myself cause they couldn't tell me where to buy an amiga 2016-10-10T13:56:43 < dongs> pretty low level/boring trolling 2016-10-10T13:57:04 < stvn> exactly 2016-10-10T13:57:06 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-10T13:57:12 < stvn> that's all i was in there for 2016-10-10T13:57:33 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T13:57:44 < stvn> freenode never fails to satisfy 2016-10-10T13:58:00 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: l8r] 2016-10-10T13:58:10 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T13:58:16 -!- fenug_ is now known as fenugrec 2016-10-10T14:05:11 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-10T14:07:42 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ieltaldfdalynaqf] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T14:07:43 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ieltaldfdalynaqf] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-10T14:07:44 -!- sferrini [uid115350@unaffiliated/sferrini] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T14:07:44 -!- sferrini [uid115350@unaffiliated/sferrini] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-10T14:07:44 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ieltaldfdalynaqf] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T14:39:38 < ReadErr> sure it has 2016-10-10T14:39:47 < ReadErr> stvn just failed to satisfy me 2016-10-10T14:41:16 < dongs> cool, my RTC is working over stop 2016-10-10T14:41:18 < dongs> and keeps ticking 2016-10-10T14:49:08 < ReadErr> that fancy new HAL shit? 2016-10-10T14:50:56 < dongs> no, i only use stdpierphlib 2016-10-10T14:52:20 < ReadErr> are they supporting new shit still w/ it? 2016-10-10T14:52:41 < ReadErr> I thought they where forcing people over to HAL 2016-10-10T15:01:35 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T15:02:17 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-10T15:08:04 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.153.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-10T15:11:13 -!- stukdev [~quassel@host179-9-static.10-188-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T15:11:33 -!- stukdev [~quassel@host179-9-static.10-188-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-10T15:11:33 -!- stukdev [~quassel@unaffiliated/stukdev] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T15:19:59 < dongs> http://www.newark.com/micrium/gui-fcxx-000000-m-p1/gui-font-converter-mcu-mpu-dsp/dp/65X5875 attn tec2 2016-10-10T15:22:21 < karlp> new f7 disco has cap touch too, he'll like that. 2016-10-10T15:23:30 < dongs> "new"? 2016-10-10T15:23:47 < ReadErr> the one that came out a year ago? 2016-10-10T15:23:50 < ReadErr> or longer 2016-10-10T15:23:53 < ReadErr> or is there a new new one 2016-10-10T15:24:08 < dongs> pretty sure the MIPI-DSI F7 disco was cap touch 2016-10-10T15:24:12 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T15:27:03 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-10T15:29:56 < Laurenceb_> yup it was 2016-10-10T15:30:09 < Laurenceb_> this gunna be good 2016-10-10T15:30:10 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/realpeerreview 2016-10-10T15:32:37 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrmN-DOW8AQeaGO.jpg 2016-10-10T15:32:46 < Laurenceb_> comedy gold delivered 2016-10-10T15:34:20 < ReadErr> http://theslot.jezebel.com/producer-says-theres-video-of-trump-saying-the-n-word-1787592521 2016-10-10T15:34:24 < ReadErr> waiting on this 2016-10-10T15:34:30 < ReadErr> mark cuban gonna pay it 2016-10-10T15:35:05 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-xqbvfqgxtrvntpta] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-10T15:36:45 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Csa9u-pWEAAiD6K.jpg 2016-10-10T15:37:54 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuQOd-WW8AAJ_gl.jpg 2016-10-10T15:38:04 < Laurenceb_> ^literally Anal taboo youtube guy 2016-10-10T15:38:43 < BrainDamage> with a caption like that do you really espect anyone to click on your links? 2016-10-10T15:40:38 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTc0G2a9aGo 2016-10-10T15:41:58 < ReadErr> boo 2016-10-10T15:44:02 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ctsb7BZXEAAYQMm.jpg 2016-10-10T15:44:03 < dongs> binaries, lol 2016-10-10T15:44:07 < Laurenceb_> ok enough crazy shit 2016-10-10T15:45:58 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-nxgyaoljzticnaku] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T15:46:04 -!- ReadError_ is now known as ReadError 2016-10-10T15:46:27 -!- Peter_M [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T15:48:15 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-10T15:48:16 -!- Peter_M is now known as PeterM 2016-10-10T15:53:18 -!- Peter_M [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T15:54:48 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-10T15:54:49 -!- Peter_M is now known as PeterM 2016-10-10T15:55:08 -!- Flecks is now known as Fleck 2016-10-10T15:56:33 -!- Steffann [~quassel@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-10T15:57:02 -!- Steffanx [~quassel@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T16:03:21 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Java/Enterprise-gateway-Deep-Packet/ haha "but python would be preferred" 2016-10-10T16:05:14 < ReadErr> lol 10gb 2016-10-10T16:06:14 < Thorn> is it even possible with an intel server 2016-10-10T16:06:35 < dongs> i dont even know how you do 10gbps anything if it has to pass CPU 2016-10-10T16:07:56 < ReadErr> rite 2016-10-10T16:08:12 < ReadErr> then packet inspection too? no fucking way 2016-10-10T16:08:25 < ReadErr> with encryption/decryption 2016-10-10T16:08:35 < dongs> and saving to MYSQL no doubt 2016-10-10T16:08:51 < ReadErr> csv file over NFS 2016-10-10T16:09:32 < ReadErr> can you tell people in comments how stupid their shit is? 2016-10-10T16:09:35 < dongs> saved to a syonlogy 2016-10-10T16:09:43 < dongs> running marvell shitmada 1ghz 2016-10-10T16:09:46 < ReadErr> or do you have to go through the bidding process 2016-10-10T16:09:48 < dongs> with software lunix raid 2016-10-10T16:09:55 < Thorn> why do people bid then\ 2016-10-10T16:10:01 < dongs> you have to bid AND if they decide to chat to you 2016-10-10T16:10:03 < ReadErr> dongs: they have a vmware appliance now 2016-10-10T16:10:04 < dongs> you can tell them they're stupid 2016-10-10T16:10:17 < dongs> until they chat to you first you cant even send messages to them 2016-10-10T16:10:18 < ReadErr> so you can do your own storage and just use the good features 2016-10-10T16:10:22 < dongs> i guess to prevent indians from begging for $5 2016-10-10T16:12:45 -!- dohzer [~dohzer@59-102-29-141.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-10T16:29:33 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@45.72.194.193] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T16:54:17 -!- anton02_ [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-10T16:56:57 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@45.72.194.193] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-10T16:57:27 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@45.72.194.193] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T17:06:41 < Thorn> lol @ dmx512. I thought it would send channel#/value pairs and only when values change 2016-10-10T17:06:53 < dongs> no lol 2016-10-10T17:06:56 < dongs> it sends all 2016-10-10T17:06:58 < dongs> all the time 2016-10-10T17:07:37 < Thorn> looking at the capture right now 2016-10-10T17:07:58 < Thorn> btw to stabilize the packet on a scope you need trigger holdoff = 34ms 2016-10-10T17:08:31 < Thorn> at least for this controller 2016-10-10T17:08:37 < dongs> are you talking about the first break? 2016-10-10T17:09:00 < Thorn> yes 2016-10-10T17:09:04 < dongs> iirc there's a 50-100ms break then data 2016-10-10T17:10:31 < Thorn> for this controller break is 2.1ms 2016-10-10T17:13:32 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ieltaldfdalynaqf] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2016-10-10T17:14:03 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.152.16] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T17:16:14 < Thorn> it sends 250 bytes per packet not counting start code (not sure why as it only supports 192 channels) 2016-10-10T17:21:05 < Thorn> signal coming out of this controller has HUGE common mode noise (~10Vp-p, 0.5MHz) 2016-10-10T17:22:18 < Thorn> hopefully my adm485 that I'm using to keep the logic analyzer happy can take it 2016-10-10T17:30:10 < Thorn> http://imgur.com/2U1SX6Z 2016-10-10T17:31:00 < Thorn> ch 1 is one of the data lines, ch2 is differential signal from adm485, freq readout is wrong at this timebase 2016-10-10T17:33:32 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-10T17:35:33 < karlp> send all all the itme makes it easy to make dumb end modules that can be plugged an unplugged and don't need to wait until someone turns a knob before they do the right thing. 2016-10-10T17:36:37 < Thorn> if they had add/drop muxes like SDH that would be cool 2016-10-10T17:37:59 < Thorn> how do you even achieve this kind of noise, delete all the filtering from the switching converter? 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2016-10-10T21:04:30 < BrainDamage> you just push the knob 2016-10-10T21:04:54 < Thorn> and rotate the button 2016-10-10T21:06:56 < Thorn> btw when I enable long memory I see more overshoots on the same signal 2016-10-10T21:16:44 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-10T21:21:45 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.141] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T21:24:08 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T21:25:19 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-10T21:36:58 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-10T21:40:53 < jadew> found a new good show 2016-10-10T21:40:59 < jadew> Westworld 2016-10-10T21:41:03 < jadew> only at episode 2 tho 2016-10-10T21:41:25 < jadew> has a bunch of good actors in it 2016-10-10T21:41:42 < jadew> like anthony hopkins 2016-10-10T21:41:51 < jadew> which is weird for a tv show 2016-10-10T21:59:01 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-14e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T22:00:31 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T22:03:23 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T22:12:14 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-10T22:14:25 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T22:26:58 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2016-10-10T22:34:33 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-10T22:35:07 < Steffanx> and scifi.. im in. 2016-10-10T22:40:16 < Steffanx> <3 sickrage. 2016-10-10T22:42:13 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2016-10-10T22:43:39 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T22:47:51 < jadew> Steffanx, did you watch it? 2016-10-10T22:47:57 < Steffanx> no. 2016-10-10T22:48:03 < Steffanx> "buying" 2016-10-10T22:48:08 < jadew> got it 2016-10-10T22:48:13 < jadew> I can't wait for more 2016-10-10T22:49:12 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Colony is ok too 2016-10-10T22:49:27 < jadew> thanks 2016-10-10T22:49:35 < jadew> I'll check it out 2016-10-10T22:49:42 < jadew> englishman, from which one? 2016-10-10T22:50:31 < jadew> I haven't 2016-10-10T22:51:04 < jadew> I don't think I'll look for it tho, I like this one a lot, don't want to spoil it 2016-10-10T22:51:25 < jadew> LeelooMinai, is the Colony a sequel of the The Colony movie from 2013? 2016-10-10T22:51:28 < jadew> do I have to see that first? 2016-10-10T22:51:45 < LeelooMinai> No, it's a TV series 2016-10-10T22:51:58 < LeelooMinai> I thought Westworld is TV series, no? 2016-10-10T22:52:02 < jadew> yeah, but I thought it might be like a continuation of film 2016-10-10T22:52:10 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-10T22:52:29 < jadew> *of the film 2016-10-10T22:52:54 < LeelooMinai> Other decent one is The Expanse 2016-10-10T22:53:15 < jadew> right, I should get back on that one 2016-10-10T22:53:17 < jadew> forgot about it 2016-10-10T22:53:27 < LeelooMinai> And Dark Matter - less serious, but funn kind of like Firefly 2016-10-10T22:54:01 < jadew> awesome, this is great, cuz I've been running out of shows to watch/rewatch 2016-10-10T22:55:04 < LeelooMinai> Only sci-fi or other genres too? 2016-10-10T22:55:31 < Steffanx> i started with The Expanse, wasn't too impressed. 2016-10-10T22:55:44 < KreAture_Zzz> :) 2016-10-10T22:55:49 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2016-10-10T22:56:05 < KreAture_> it has to be scifi 2016-10-10T22:56:07 < KreAture_> hehe 2016-10-10T22:56:20 < Steffanx> of course. 2016-10-10T22:56:21 < jadew> Steffanx, that's probably why I stopped watching, but it could become nice 2016-10-10T22:56:36 < jadew> LeelooMinai, comedy 2016-10-10T22:56:44 < Steffanx> noooooo, no comedy. 2016-10-10T22:56:53 < jadew> well, it's either sci-fi or that 2016-10-10T22:56:59 < jadew> I don't watch much of anything else 2016-10-10T22:57:08 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Then Better Call Saul - I think comedy/drama, but it's pretty good. 2016-10-10T22:57:23 < LeelooMinai> Lot's of lols in there 2016-10-10T22:57:33 < Steffanx> Better Call Saul isn't really comedy.. 2016-10-10T22:57:47 < LeelooMinai> That's why I wrote comedy/drama... 2016-10-10T22:57:53 < KreAture_> better call saul is better by far than breaking bad which it spun off from 2016-10-10T22:58:15 < KreAture_> atleast he is simply useless at taking decisions while bb is just stupid 2016-10-10T22:58:40 < Steffanx> i liked BrBa, tried to watch it a second time, but the 2nd time was boring. 2016-10-10T22:58:40 < jadew> btw, stranger things is also nice, but I guess you guys already know about that one 2016-10-10T22:58:42 < KreAture_> not even bothered seeing the last two seasons of bb 2016-10-10T22:58:49 < Steffanx> So i stopped after 3 episodes. 2016-10-10T22:59:00 < LeelooMinai> If you want adventure/more historical stuff, then Black Sails, Vikings, The Three Musketeers - all fun 2016-10-10T22:59:17 < KreAture_> jadew I know one of the kids has a tooth thing but I jsust couldn't watch a complete ep 2016-10-10T22:59:24 < Steffanx> Please dont say: Walking dead. 2016-10-10T22:59:31 < KreAture_> I rather watch the goonies again 2016-10-10T22:59:42 < jadew> KreAture_, I think this is different 2016-10-10T22:59:59 < KreAture_> it just didn't feel right 2016-10-10T23:00:03 < LeelooMinai> If CIA/FBI/spy stuff, then Homeland, The Americans are good. 2016-10-10T23:00:03 < KreAture_> maybe it was the script 2016-10-10T23:00:06 < KreAture_> maybe the actors 2016-10-10T23:00:10 < Steffanx> One of the few series i did watch multiple times is Fringe. 2016-10-10T23:00:27 < KreAture_> Supernatural is good though, bot sure if it's scifi 2016-10-10T23:00:32 < KreAture_> fringe is awsome! 2016-10-10T23:00:38 < jadew> I watched Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis a couple of times 2016-10-10T23:00:43 < LeelooMinai> Drug cartel stuff: Narcos (Pablo Escobar, etc. in Coloumbia) 2016-10-10T23:01:01 < KreAture_> "But you have a lab; we opened it for you this morning! Don't you remember?" No, but that's marvelous news!" 2016-10-10T23:01:29 < KreAture_> oof narcoz 2016-10-10T23:01:31 < KreAture_> meh 2016-10-10T23:02:33 < LeelooMinai> From dramas: Ray Donovan, Rectify were ok 2016-10-10T23:02:47 < jadew> you watch them all? :) 2016-10-10T23:02:55 < LeelooMinai> I don't have to tell which fantasy series rules, I hope:) 2016-10-10T23:03:16 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I watch them when I eat dinner/supper, etc. - slowly, but yes, all:) 2016-10-10T23:03:17 < jadew> once upon a time? 2016-10-10T23:03:53 -!- fenugrec [~R@24-50-113-108.dm.cgocable.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-10T23:03:53 < jadew> I saw the first two season of that one and it was good 2016-10-10T23:03:54 < LeelooMinai> lol, no Game of Thrones - I know it's overpopular, but it's great 2016-10-10T23:04:00 < jadew> ah, right 2016-10-10T23:04:26 < KreAture_> yawn 2016-10-10T23:04:34 < KreAture_> I never managed to see season 1 of thrones 2016-10-10T23:04:38 < KreAture_> no fucking dragons! 2016-10-10T23:04:54 < KreAture_> I heard they finally show up somewhere a bit 2016-10-10T23:05:02 < LeelooMinai> The books were good too. 2016-10-10T23:05:03 < jadew> next to the naked lady 2016-10-10T23:05:04 < KreAture_> but by that time gave up 2016-10-10T23:05:12 < KreAture_> I 2016-10-10T23:05:53 < Steffanx> "GoT is for pedos, it has naked kids" 2016-10-10T23:06:05 < LeelooMinai> Meh, dragons... all you need is Tyrion:) 2016-10-10T23:06:19 < LeelooMinai> The best character ever:p 2016-10-10T23:06:35 < Steffanx> Yes, that guy is good. 2016-10-10T23:06:40 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-10T23:07:11 < LeelooMinai> All the cast is pretty good - somehow they managed to match the book in terms of character wuality. 2016-10-10T23:07:16 < LeelooMinai> quality* 2016-10-10T23:07:23 < Steffanx> Never read those. 2016-10-10T23:08:08 < LeelooMinai> Well, as fantasy goes, I would put them at #1, and I read a bit when I was small. 2016-10-10T23:09:04 < Steffanx> but now you are retired you have loads of time to read books.. 2016-10-10T23:09:38 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.249.64] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-10T23:09:41 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but I lost patience for books and my eyes focus beter on monitors anyways:) 2016-10-10T23:09:59 < jadew> lol, that's a great excuse not to read and watch movies instead 2016-10-10T23:10:18 < jadew> wish that came to me when my parents were forcing me to read 2016-10-10T23:10:22 < LeelooMinai> Well, I read a lot, but, you know, technical stuff. 2016-10-10T23:10:38 < LeelooMinai> So it's ok - I read anough books in my life:) 2016-10-10T23:11:51 < LeelooMinai> "-- Go to sleep! It's late! -- *reads a book under the covers with a flashlight*" 2016-10-10T23:12:09 < jadew> yeah, that wasn't me 2016-10-10T23:12:34 < LeelooMinai> You used a candle? :p 2016-10-10T23:13:43 < Fleck> hey LeelooMinai 2016-10-10T23:13:46 < jadew> I just wanted to do other stuff 2016-10-10T23:14:16 < jadew> I had lot of broken electronics, chemical lab equipment and other interesting stuff that needed my attention 2016-10-10T23:14:25 < LeelooMinai> Damn, this is why I don't like how C++ spec has exploded:/ http://i.imgur.com/oqpi05a.png 2016-10-10T23:14:28 < jadew> *lots 2016-10-10T23:14:40 < jadew> heh 2016-10-10T23:14:43 < jadew> that's not even long 2016-10-10T23:14:54 < LeelooMinai> I look at this and thik "Are you talking to me?!" :) 2016-10-10T23:16:07 < jadew> but yeah, they should hide them completely and just let you know there's an issue instead 2016-10-10T23:16:20 < LeelooMinai> SOon they will have to write a decompiler for those messages. 2016-10-10T23:16:33 < jadew> and if you can't figure out what it is, you unroll the message and investigate 2016-10-10T23:17:59 < jadew> "We can't match the type of parameter X to the any of the signatures. Want more info? Enter e-mail here: [ ]" 2016-10-10T23:18:26 < LeelooMinai> "Want more info? No, you don't..." 2016-10-10T23:21:48 < KreAture_> Farscape 2016-10-10T23:22:36 < LeelooMinai> That was a bit weird, but fun. 2016-10-10T23:22:56 < LeelooMinai> Kind of like someone on drugs was making it, but ok:) 2016-10-10T23:24:59 < KreAture_> lol 2016-10-10T23:25:03 < KreAture_> come on sparky! 2016-10-10T23:25:13 < LeelooMinai> Muppet show suddenly:) 2016-10-10T23:26:52 < LeelooMinai> I mean, come on... No one sober would come up with that:p http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/farscape/images/8/86/Black_Knight_Rygel.jpg 2016-10-10T23:27:47 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Stop pulbic bookmarking! :) 2016-10-10T23:27:52 < LeelooMinai> public* 2016-10-10T23:46:28 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: they're solving it with "concepts" in future versions. 2016-10-10T23:46:56 < LeelooMinai> Right, no idea what it is... 2016-10-10T23:50:25 < LeelooMinai> Found out the reason for the error: the standard has a bug... great. 2016-10-10T23:50:37 < LeelooMinai> I guess no std::array in constexpr for me 2016-10-10T23:52:36 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] --- Day changed Tue Oct 11 2016 2016-10-11T00:06:08 < KreAture_> Hmm, stupid question. If I use the cub libs I get all sorts of buggy usb stuff 2016-10-11T00:06:52 < KreAture_> But, if I use the good old v3.5.0 libs I can't even find anything ? 2016-10-11T00:07:57 < KreAture_> all I find is the endpoint specific regs 2016-10-11T00:07:58 -!- Prutheus [~XPS@WB21-0110.STUDFB.UniBw-Muenchen.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T00:07:59 < KreAture_> really odd 2016-10-11T00:08:09 < KreAture_> Not even a define to the base address of the peripheral 2016-10-11T00:08:22 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T00:09:36 < KreAture_> I mean, at the very least I should be able to find the base address 2016-10-11T00:09:53 < KreAture_> I know where it is so a search in entire lib should atleast find it, but it doesn't 2016-10-11T00:11:57 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-11T00:14:26 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2GcdpJiNGfKQlJtVHpjNVM4bms?usp=sharing 3d printing... 2016-10-11T00:14:27 < KreAture_> It's like they skipped an entire peripheral 2016-10-11T00:14:44 < KreAture_> hihi someone is building a printer 2016-10-11T00:15:04 < KreAture_> but why the raft ? 2016-10-11T00:15:29 < KreAture_> oooh hole board 2016-10-11T00:16:02 < LeelooMinai> Right, as usual - it looks like someone made it from a block of soap using a carving knife... 2016-10-11T00:16:20 < vampi-the-frog> feels clean, man 2016-10-11T00:16:53 < kakimir> I had my hopes up and the printer does that shit on first try 2016-10-11T00:17:30 < KreAture_> tuning 2016-10-11T00:17:31 < LeelooMinai> My enclosures will be milled from solid block of aluminum + polycarbonate or acrylic cover on top. 2016-10-11T00:17:39 < kakimir> will be? 2016-10-11T00:17:50 < KreAture_> I had to retune my bridging today as a print went completely apeshit 2016-10-11T00:18:08 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I have some boards waiting for enclosures, but doing something else now (I have a CNC to make them) 2016-10-11T00:20:16 < LeelooMinai> The 3D printer stuff remininds me of 80s where they had lame plastic technology and everything was imprecise, easy to break and had some awful colors:) 2016-10-11T00:21:15 < vampi-the-frog> like ur mom 2016-10-11T00:21:38 * vampi-the-frog hides 2016-10-11T00:22:12 < LeelooMinai> Well, not saying that one day they will not make nice stuff, but it's not this day:) 2016-10-11T00:23:24 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/projects/3d_printer/rostock_plus/prints/calib/bridging/bridge_tune_220c_spd100_f0.85_bridge90.jpg 2016-10-11T00:23:28 < KreAture_> bridging test 2016-10-11T00:23:36 < KreAture_> on typical low density infill 2016-10-11T00:23:39 < KreAture_> that's hex at 10% 2016-10-11T00:23:44 < BrainDamage> 3d printers can make nice stuff 2016-10-11T00:23:55 < BrainDamage> they jst cost 30k 2016-10-11T00:23:58 < LeelooMinai> Not the affordable ones imo:)_ 2016-10-11T00:24:04 < LeelooMinai> Right 2016-10-11T00:24:12 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/projects/3d_printer/rostock_plus/prints/calib/bridging/bridge_tune_220c_spd100_f0.85_bridge70.jpg 2016-10-11T00:24:21 < KreAture_> same print at slower bridge with all other values same 2016-10-11T00:24:33 < KreAture_> even slower http://kreature.org/projects/3d_printer/rostock_plus/prints/calib/bridging/bridge_tune_220c_spd100_f0.85_bridge50.jpg 2016-10-11T00:24:39 < KreAture_> <- nerd 2016-10-11T00:24:59 < vampi-the-frog> that 3d print is on a 2d print 2016-10-11T00:25:01 < LeelooMinai> Maybe you can use it as a wall tile:) 2016-10-11T00:25:20 < KreAture_> at this slow speed the plastic bunches up on the receiving end of a bridge 2016-10-11T00:25:32 < KreAture_> at the 90 it is pulled apart at middle 2016-10-11T00:25:42 < KreAture_> at 70 it is much more even at this temp 2016-10-11T00:26:26 < KreAture_> turned out I can run a big higher flow too for less pillowing 2016-10-11T00:26:32 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/projects/3d_printer/rostock_plus/prints/calib/bridging/bridge_tune_220c_spd100_f0.95_bridge70.jpg 2016-10-11T00:27:02 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/projects/3d_printer/rostock_plus/prints/calib/bridging/bridge_tune_220c_spd100_f0.95_bridge90.jpg 2016-10-11T00:27:07 < KreAture_> but definately not at 90mm/s 2016-10-11T00:27:46 < LeelooMinai> All I see is some sample of shoe sole:p 2016-10-11T00:27:54 < KreAture_> The patches are about 1.5" square and a few mm tall, enough to test the bridge 2016-10-11T00:28:16 < KreAture_> Point was to make sure it would bridge when it come to the top of such objects and not just crash into a mess 2016-10-11T00:28:21 < Thorn> wat is going on. I turn this thing off and on -> ripple is 2Vp-p. turn off and on again -> 8.5Vp-p. 2016-10-11T00:28:29 < KreAture_> sad when I print objects that are 8" tall and the top is ruined after 10 hours 2016-10-11T00:28:33 < Thorn> I touched nothing except the power switch 2016-10-11T00:28:44 < KreAture_> oscillation ? 2016-10-11T00:28:48 < LeelooMinai> 8.5V ripple is a big ripple:) 2016-10-11T00:29:12 < Thorn> it's exactly half a MHz and I'm suspecting the switching reg inside that thing 2016-10-11T00:29:42 < Thorn> well exactly := <1% or so 2016-10-11T00:30:21 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai http://kreature.org/projects/3d_printer/rostock_plus/prints/dragon.jpg 2016-10-11T00:30:32 < Thorn> thankfully the adm485 rejects all of it but I'm afraid it may hit the absolute maximum limit 2016-10-11T00:30:48 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai and a bit box http://kreature.org/projects/3d_printer/rostock_plus/prints/large_box.jpg 2016-10-11T00:30:48 -!- Prutheus [~XPS@WB21-0110.STUDFB.UniBw-Muenchen.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-11T00:31:22 < LeelooMinai> What is a bit box? 2016-10-11T00:31:31 < Thorn> and the waveforms are different each time 2016-10-11T00:43:47 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2016-10-11T00:56:08 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-14e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-11T00:56:44 < Thorn> found Tectu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuWy99hVUAAkj4I.jpg:large 2016-10-11T00:57:39 -!- bugzc_ [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T01:02:01 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-11T01:04:10 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-11T01:17:08 -!- zyp_ is now known as zyp 2016-10-11T01:33:28 < KreAture_> big box 2016-10-11T01:33:31 < KreAture_> lol 2016-10-11T01:34:15 < LeelooMinai> KreAture_: Must be pretty uneconomical:/ 2016-10-11T01:34:36 < LeelooMinai> In terms of price and time that is. 2016-10-11T01:37:03 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T01:39:57 < Laurenceb_> when some manufacturers sell you microcontrollers, they aren't sending their best 2016-10-11T01:40:10 < Laurenceb_> some have flawed peripherals, ADC noise 2016-10-11T01:40:22 < Laurenceb_> we need to make microcontrollers great again 2016-10-11T01:40:30 < Laurenceb_> with STM32 we can do that 2016-10-11T01:40:45 < Laurenceb_> we're gunna make micrcontrollers great again with stm32 2016-10-11T01:40:51 < Laurenceb_> and Mexico will pay 2016-10-11T01:42:22 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai you have to think of time in a different way with 3d printing 2016-10-11T01:42:48 < Laurenceb_> R2COM: why the wow? price seems standard 2016-10-11T01:43:05 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai when you for example have to sit on your ass for 3 days and get a ultra fast shipment of a 3d model from abroad, then being able to do a print in 6 hours and find a flaw and restart and have the part by next workday is amazing 2016-10-11T01:43:18 < KreAture_> even if it takes 6 hours 2016-10-11T01:43:19 < LeelooMinai> KreAture_: With time I could live, because I am a hobbyist, but material price/results is what I don't like. 2016-10-11T01:43:33 < KreAture_> Mine is doing well 2016-10-11T01:43:37 < KreAture_> it has it's place though 2016-10-11T01:43:42 < KreAture_> not everything for every printer type 2016-10-11T01:43:50 < KreAture_> but mine does a great job for what it is good at 2016-10-11T01:44:39 -!- Laurenceb_ is now known as HABTrump 2016-10-11T01:44:45 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/projects/3d_printer/rostock_plus/needle_hotend/mightymouse_stumpy_dual_0.4_panther_ladys_2.jpg 2016-10-11T01:44:49 < KreAture_> nsfw 2016-10-11T01:44:50 < KreAture_> hehe 2016-10-11T01:44:56 < LeelooMinai> For prototyping, ok, I agree - it makes sense. 2016-10-11T01:45:38 < KreAture_> and functional parts that doesn't have to be polished is great too 2016-10-11T01:45:43 < KreAture_> fuck no 2016-10-11T01:45:46 < KreAture_> hate slim chicks 2016-10-11T01:45:56 -!- HABTrump is now known as Laurenceb_ 2016-10-11T01:45:59 < KreAture_> might as well knock a kicten cabinet 2016-10-11T01:46:06 < KreAture_> wrong angle 2016-10-11T01:46:25 < LeelooMinai> R2COM always has to make some caveman comment - just cannot help himself:p 2016-10-11T01:46:28 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/projects/3d_printer/rostock_plus/needle_hotend/mightymouse_stumpy_idler_6.jpg 2016-10-11T01:46:34 < KreAture_> this is an idler end for a 3d printer 2016-10-11T01:46:39 < KreAture_> very functional and strong 2016-10-11T01:46:46 < KreAture_> and only takes 25 mins 2016-10-11T01:47:19 < KreAture_> and here it prints a cup out of TPE (thermosplastic elastomer, yes it's flexible!) http://kreature.org/projects/3d_printer/rostock_plus/needle_hotend/mightymouse_printing_tpe_4.jpg 2016-10-11T01:48:05 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-19-73-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-11T01:48:18 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/projects/3d_printer/rostock_plus/needle_hotend/mightymouse_first_print_2_cropped.jpg 2016-10-11T01:48:20 < KreAture_> clear shotglass 2016-10-11T01:48:35 < KreAture_> bracket for extruder: http://kreature.org/projects/3d_printer/rostock_plus/needle_hotend/mightymouse_second_print_2.jpg 2016-10-11T01:49:32 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-11T01:49:33 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T01:49:45 < LeelooMinai> KreAture_: I would make all of this from machine aluminium though:) 2016-10-11T01:49:52 < LeelooMinai> machined* 2016-10-11T01:49:54 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/projects/3d_printer/rostock_plus/prints/double-twisted_vaze.jpg 2016-10-11T01:49:57 < KreAture_> good luck with this one 2016-10-11T01:50:16 < LeelooMinai> I meant the brackets - would be much stiffer too. 2016-10-11T01:50:27 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-11T01:50:34 < KreAture_> they need some flex 2016-10-11T01:50:38 < KreAture_> but yes you could 2016-10-11T01:50:47 < KreAture_> but that means you need a cnc 2016-10-11T01:51:14 < KreAture_> the incredible thing with a 3d printer is, you can build one with only a few plates of wood and a drill 2016-10-11T01:51:15 < LeelooMinai> Right, that's why I opted to make CNC platform- I could always attach a printing head to it, if I need. 2016-10-11T01:51:24 < KreAture_> I did that too 2016-10-11T01:51:27 < KreAture_> for my first printer 2016-10-11T01:51:31 < KreAture_> made a cnc first 2016-10-11T01:51:43 < KreAture_> but I have to admit a delta machine is much better suited for 3d printing than my cnc is 2016-10-11T01:51:57 < LeelooMinai> But probably not as precise, no? 2016-10-11T01:52:07 < LeelooMinai> With all those plastic parts and the delta setup. 2016-10-11T01:52:14 < KreAture_> well that is where it gets complicated 2016-10-11T01:52:33 < KreAture_> you use a cnc when micrometers count 2016-10-11T01:52:41 < KreAture_> but the 3d printer is great when they don't 2016-10-11T01:52:47 < KreAture_> still it does 0.1mm fine 2016-10-11T01:52:59 < KreAture_> and a 3d printer is a great way to make stuff for the cnc as well 2016-10-11T01:53:33 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/projects/cnc/caps/DSC_1534.JPG 2016-10-11T01:53:38 < KreAture_> see the caps on the extrusion ? 2016-10-11T01:54:02 < KreAture_> They are modelled to slot into the extrusions and the one at the curve there was extracted from the dxf that made the curve 2016-10-11T01:55:23 < KreAture_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHPrhnTfEi8 2016-10-11T01:55:40 < KreAture_> Old vid where I print another holder for another guy who is making a 3d printer 2016-10-11T01:55:54 < KreAture_> it's doing 300mm rapids there, but I run 600-900 now 2016-10-11T01:56:10 < KreAture_> with accelleration at 1G 2016-10-11T01:57:02 < LeelooMinai> That printer is your design, or something you bought? 2016-10-11T01:57:19 < KreAture_> it's based on the original rostock design 2016-10-11T01:57:32 < KreAture_> but I made mine with stiffening and changed the parts for less creep and such 2016-10-11T01:57:36 < KreAture_> also beefed it up 2016-10-11T01:57:47 < KreAture_> basically all the parts have been changed to a larger or smaller degree 2016-10-11T01:59:16 < KreAture_> I got a 4'th axis on my cnc though so I can do some interesting stuff there too 2016-10-11T02:00:05 < KreAture_> printed herringbone gears http://kreature.org/projects/3d_printer/rostock_plus/parts/extruder_gears_s.jpg 2016-10-11T02:01:49 < LeelooMinai> Looks nice. 2016-10-11T02:02:10 < KreAture_> it's a tool, it has it's uses 2016-10-11T02:02:22 < KreAture_> but just as in any other niche you find ppl using it for everything 2016-10-11T02:02:26 < KreAture_> like ppl with a lasercutter 2016-10-11T02:02:36 < KreAture_> notice how every enclosure they make is a stack of discs ? 2016-10-11T02:03:23 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T02:03:35 < LeelooMinai> Yes, sure, if you have one type of machine, you need to think in terms of using it. 2016-10-11T02:04:43 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T02:16:47 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-11T02:26:37 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2016-10-11T02:26:51 < Laurenceb_> Milo Yiannopoulos, an alt-right hero known for his banishment from Twitter, is preparing a bid to acquire his own social media firm: 4chan 2016-10-11T02:26:55 < Laurenceb_> this gunna be good 2016-10-11T02:27:14 < Laurenceb_> inb4 he bans everyone for homophobia 2016-10-11T02:29:25 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-11T02:29:44 < Laurenceb_> rofl in media interview he says he doesnt approve of /pol/ 2016-10-11T02:35:21 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T02:42:57 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@45.72.194.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-11T02:43:58 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, -lto option of linker optimizes unused symbols during link, which is nice, but if inline assembly references something, it's not taken into account and... fail:/ 2016-10-11T02:44:37 < LeelooMinai> I wonder how am I supposed to go around it now... 2016-10-11T02:46:04 < LeelooMinai> Particularly, it's the FreeRTOS code: http://i.imgur.com/waqqulZ.png 2016-10-11T02:46:27 < LeelooMinai> And I get undefined reference to vTaskSwitchCOntext 2016-10-11T02:47:48 < LeelooMinai> I guess I could maybe "pretend" I use it in the code somwhere, but that would be a hack. 2016-10-11T02:51:30 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T02:53:37 < LeelooMinai> Ok, dound a way: added __attribute__((used)) to the tasks.h 2016-10-11T02:54:25 -!- ka6sox is now known as zz_ka6sox 2016-10-11T02:55:48 < LeelooMinai> Too bad that with -lto the assembly listing files are anecoded into something unreadable:/ 2016-10-11T02:56:40 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T02:56:44 * LeelooMinai sighs 2016-10-11T02:56:55 < stvn> welcome back crt 2016-10-11T02:57:23 < Laurenceb_> stvn gunna make stm32 great again 2016-10-11T02:57:35 < stvn> stm32 is best 32 2016-10-11T02:57:59 < stvn> what was the result of the 'presidential debate' 2016-10-11T02:58:04 < stvn> aka dumb and dumber 2016-10-11T02:58:27 < Laurenceb_> nobody knows 2016-10-11T02:58:32 < Laurenceb_> it was full retard 2016-10-11T02:59:30 < Laurenceb_> is this some hyperloop? 2016-10-11T02:59:32 < LeelooMinai> Tools got to trolls on TV - that was the result:) 2016-10-11T02:59:39 < LeelooMinai> got to troll* 2016-10-11T02:59:52 < stvn> yeah that sums it up nicely 2016-10-11T03:00:06 < Laurenceb_> Hillary managed to look almost as dump as Trump 2016-10-11T03:00:22 < Laurenceb_> muh ebail Russia, ebil Putin, Moderate Rebels 2016-10-11T03:00:49 < Laurenceb_> but nobody can out-tard the Donald 2016-10-11T03:01:32 < LeelooMinai> I like when he talks about nuclear arms - I think 1st grade children have more sense there. 2016-10-11T03:01:52 < Laurenceb_> if the moderate rebels were in USA there would be a shit show ten times worse than Aleppo 2016-10-11T03:02:14 < stvn> 318 million and they've narrowed it down to those 2 fucking clowns 2016-10-11T03:02:31 < Laurenceb_> the nuclear 2016-10-11T03:02:38 < Laurenceb_> we not gunna do the nuclear 2016-10-11T03:02:42 < LeelooMinai> Had the chance with Bernie, missed it, now they are screwed. 2016-10-11T03:03:00 < Laurenceb_> so anyways 2016-10-11T03:03:04 < Laurenceb_> what is this pdf? 2016-10-11T03:03:10 < Laurenceb_> looks like a sane hyperloop 2016-10-11T03:03:13 < stvn> td;dr 2016-10-11T03:03:24 < stvn> as in too dumb didn't read 2016-10-11T03:03:34 < Laurenceb_> wut 2016-10-11T03:03:38 < stvn> bits mate 2016-10-11T03:03:40 < Laurenceb_> total track is like 100 meters 2016-10-11T03:03:43 < Laurenceb_> fail 2016-10-11T03:03:51 < stvn> that'll get you places 2016-10-11T03:03:54 < Laurenceb_> or you could just walk 2016-10-11T03:03:57 < stvn> innovation mate 2016-10-11T03:03:59 < LeelooMinai> Good for ants:) 2016-10-11T03:04:46 < stvn> so what do they need to hyperloop cause i wanna see it crash and burn spectacularly 2016-10-11T03:04:59 < stvn> are the cucks asking for money? 2016-10-11T03:05:19 < Laurenceb_> if Musk actually built hyperloop they would try running experimental labview codez with passengers onboard 2016-10-11T03:05:23 < Laurenceb_> AMOS-6 style 2016-10-11T03:05:28 < Laurenceb_> and everyone would die 2016-10-11T03:05:41 < stvn> good 2016-10-11T03:05:57 < stvn> hopefully only stupid people use it 2016-10-11T03:06:03 < stvn> like the next american tit 2016-10-11T03:06:18 < LeelooMinai> They could use it to deliver people to the presidential debates... 2016-10-11T03:06:24 < stvn> ^ 2016-10-11T03:06:29 < stvn> now that's a plan 2016-10-11T03:07:41 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-11T03:09:22 < Laurenceb_> the most exciting thing about hyperloop is the tardis part 2016-10-11T03:09:51 < Laurenceb_> where the huge house sizes steam tank for cooling water disappears in the renderings 2016-10-11T03:22:01 -!- bugzc_ [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-11T03:28:25 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: exit] 2016-10-11T03:28:39 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T03:35:34 -!- zz_ka6sox is now known as ka6sox 2016-10-11T03:39:34 < ReadErr> lol google pixel looks just like an iphone 2016-10-11T03:39:40 < ReadErr> pretty much 2016-10-11T03:41:37 < karlp> in other news, phones look like phones.... 2016-10-11T03:42:10 < LeelooMinai> No, it doesn't: http://i.imgur.com/9VrPXGJ.png 2016-10-11T03:42:45 * LeelooMinai zooms in a bit more 2016-10-11T03:43:26 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T04:01:47 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/U83X2UFb/pixel.png 2016-10-11T04:01:56 < ReadErr> even looks like an iphone ad 2016-10-11T04:02:53 < zyp> in other news, phone ads look like phone ads 2016-10-11T04:04:06 < zyp> from what I hear, it's just a nexus with a new name and higher price tag 2016-10-11T04:04:26 < zyp> high end nexus, maybe? 2016-10-11T04:06:00 < zyp> shame it still doesn't have qi 2016-10-11T04:06:16 < zyp> I miss it on my nexus 5x 2016-10-11T04:06:32 < zyp> that was probably the only thing my nexus 4 did better than the 5x 2016-10-11T04:13:12 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T04:14:07 < jadew> man... Hyper-V has the worst UI messages 2016-10-11T04:14:32 < jadew> radio boxes for Internal network and Private network with no explanation or hints for wtf it means 2016-10-11T04:15:03 < jadew> then other checkboxes that leave a lot of room for interpretation 2016-10-11T04:15:04 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-11T04:15:17 < jadew> for example "Allow management operating system to share this network adapter" 2016-10-11T04:16:25 -!- rcc [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T04:20:04 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-11T04:25:36 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-11T04:35:21 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-11T04:37:54 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-11T04:58:47 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T05:14:08 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-11T05:35:00 < dongs> god damn who teh fuck actually uses HARNESS thing in altidumb 2016-10-11T05:35:12 < dongs> this is teh 2nd schematic made by a complete fucking newb that I see using that shit 2016-10-11T05:39:17 < dongs> and incorrectly, too 2016-10-11T05:41:20 < dongs> not much, raging at work. 2016-10-11T05:48:37 -!- fenugrec [~R@24-50-113-108.dm.cgocable.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-11T06:01:33 < dongs> fuck me, google mm to mil is broken even worse now 2016-10-11T06:02:49 < LeelooMinai> Just remember that 1mm = 40mil (more or less) 2016-10-11T06:03:11 < LeelooMinai> And 1 mil is 25 microns 2016-10-11T06:03:20 < dongs> gtfo, i didnt open chrome to manually claculate shit 2016-10-11T06:04:10 < LeelooMinai> For simple calculations, knowing this is fater. If you are in PCB design and you want to quickly ball-part trace width or pitch, etc. 2016-10-11T06:04:19 < LeelooMinai> ball-park* 2016-10-11T06:05:37 * LeelooMinai ponders if to use in-function local lambdas in the micro code... 2016-10-11T06:05:58 < LeelooMinai> From what I read a little, they should be inlined, but, hmm... 2016-10-11T06:08:18 < LeelooMinai> ... 2016-10-11T06:08:29 < dongs> yes let me install kikecad just for units converter 2016-10-11T06:13:10 -!- Lt_Lemming [~Lt_Lemmin@128.199.211.147] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-11T06:15:03 < dongs> RIP 2016-10-11T06:15:44 < LeelooMinai> Remedies = fill the bath tub with a woter and put the device there. 2016-10-11T06:15:55 < LeelooMinai> with water* 2016-10-11T06:16:08 < rcc> what happened with the note7? 2016-10-11T06:16:25 -!- rcc [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-11T06:16:25 -!- rcc [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T06:16:28 -!- rcc is now known as jadew 2016-10-11T06:19:25 < jadew> how's that a safety concern? :) 2016-10-11T06:20:09 < LeelooMinai> To make it look better they started advertising it as "hot" and "on fire". 2016-10-11T06:20:29 < jadew> ok, now I have to google 2016-10-11T06:20:38 < jadew> for them 2016-10-11T06:20:51 < jadew> fuck them for even considering making a device without a replaceable battery 2016-10-11T06:20:54 < jadew> they deserve it 2016-10-11T06:21:16 < aandrew> never used harnesses 2016-10-11T06:21:28 < aandrew> hell I'm still a little pissed that ports do not name nets 2016-10-11T06:21:40 < aandrew> I think there might be a setting that does it though 2016-10-11T06:22:15 -!- Lt_Lemming [~Lt_Lemmin@128.199.211.147] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T06:24:05 < dongs> they do 2016-10-11T06:24:07 < dongs> it is a setting 2016-10-11T06:24:25 < dongs> under C-O or something 2016-10-11T06:24:41 < dongs> options tab 2016-10-11T06:24:47 < dongs> ports or sheet entries to naem nets. 2016-10-11T06:24:56 < dongs> anyway, i prefer to name them all just to be sure 2016-10-11T06:25:03 < dongs> too much ocd 2016-10-11T06:27:48 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T06:28:30 < upgrdman_> https://i.imgur.com/DrHglBY.gifv 2016-10-11T06:28:39 -!- upgrdman_ is now known as upgrdman 2016-10-11T06:28:53 < jadew> lol, is that at mcdonalds? 2016-10-11T06:29:41 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/33d2e924f7954a71ade78b53e121ac33?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=d33a54f2e0a50188fd8a9a78aabf7271 2016-10-11T06:33:03 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T06:33:24 < jadew> now I want a burger 2016-10-11T06:33:44 < jadew> but not from McDonalds, a good one 2016-10-11T06:35:12 < upgrdman> http://smileshappen.org/wyoming-man-found-with-30-eyeballs-in-his-anal-cavity/ 2016-10-11T06:35:48 < dongs> uh.. yeah 2016-10-11T06:36:03 < upgrdman> Tilbott explained his actions: “I enjoy eating bovine eyeballs and smuggling them out in my colon was the only way I knew how to get them out without potentially getting caught and fired.” 2016-10-11T06:36:29 < upgrdman> “I put them in soups,” Tilbott said in the police report. “They’re beneficial for erectile dysfunction, which I currently battle, but I also just like the texture and taste.” 2016-10-11T06:36:58 < dongs> i bet. 2016-10-11T06:37:17 < jadew> I would have gone with "I'm a pervert" 2016-10-11T06:37:23 < jadew> much better than the shit he came up with 2016-10-11T06:37:26 < stvn> Tilbott explained his actions: “I enjoy eating bovine eyeballs and smuggling them out in my colon was the only way I knew how to get them out without potentially getting caught and fired.” 2016-10-11T06:37:30 < stvn> wtf 2016-10-11T06:40:18 < stvn> wonder what else goes up there 2016-10-11T06:41:55 < jadew> everything else they throw away 2016-10-11T06:42:04 < stvn> i was going to assume that 2016-10-11T06:42:08 < stvn> a fuckin leg? 2016-10-11T06:42:10 < stvn> lol 2016-10-11T06:42:51 < jadew> maybe the hoofs 2016-10-11T06:42:55 < stvn> now the dog is staring at me again 2016-10-11T06:42:55 < dongs> i just wanna know 2016-10-11T06:43:05 < dongs> how do you start inserting eyeballs into your ass 2016-10-11T06:43:06 < dongs> like 2016-10-11T06:43:12 < dongs> do you just grab a bag and go to the bathroom 2016-10-11T06:43:14 < dongs> and stuff htem in 2016-10-11T06:43:15 < stvn> lol 2016-10-11T06:43:27 < jadew> I assume you have to loosen it first 2016-10-11T06:44:08 < jadew> 3 fingers first, then the whole hand for 5 minutes? 2016-10-11T06:44:09 * LeelooMinai peeks at the channel and thinks "O, yeah, those are the self-appointed 'normal; people":p 2016-10-11T06:44:16 < jadew> lol 2016-10-11T06:45:10 < stvn> the inner-nets tell me the story is fake tho 2016-10-11T06:45:43 < jadew> oh well, I'm sure someone stuffed some cow up their ass 2016-10-11T06:45:53 < stvn> yeah 2016-10-11T06:45:56 < stvn> or their cunt 2016-10-11T06:46:14 < dongs> i wonder how quick you'd get BSE or whatever 2016-10-11T06:46:17 < dongs> from raw cow junk 2016-10-11T06:46:35 < stvn> just put in a rubber mate 2016-10-11T06:46:41 < dongs> oh, good idea 2016-10-11T06:46:50 < stvn> you know like smuggling heroin 2016-10-11T06:46:52 < stvn> :] 2016-10-11T06:47:19 < jadew> for one second as I was thinking about the eyeball story, I didn't picture a rubber 2016-10-11T06:51:56 < dongs> holy. shit. 2016-10-11T06:52:06 < dongs> you can do math in altidumb dimension dialogs now. 2016-10-11T06:52:14 < dongs> i just noticed this 2016-10-11T06:53:24 -!- bilboquet_ [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T06:53:56 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, so compared those two versions in terms of compile size: http://i.imgur.com/4PuzNEO.png 2016-10-11T06:54:06 < LeelooMinai> The upper one: 160 bytes, the lower one 172. 2016-10-11T06:54:24 < jadew> didn't you pay attention? 1 mm = 40 mil, 1 mil = 25 um 2016-10-11T06:54:56 < dongs> so much faggotry in that code 2016-10-11T06:55:01 < LeelooMinai> Not sure about runtime performance though - reading those listings is a bit mental. 2016-10-11T06:55:37 < LeelooMinai> Cannot really figure out if this was inlined or what happened there:) 2016-10-11T06:55:56 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-11T06:56:02 < jadew> LeelooMinai, check the resulting asm 2016-10-11T06:56:25 < dongs> thats what hes complaining about not being able to read 2016-10-11T06:56:54 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I am, but still not sure. 2016-10-11T06:57:07 < jadew> also, the bottom one is wrong 2016-10-11T06:57:19 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-11T06:57:40 < LeelooMinai> Right reapeated two same - then maybe it would be even larger than 172 2016-10-11T06:57:42 < jadew> you forgot to change the register you're assigning to 2016-10-11T06:58:13 < LeelooMinai> Right, I just unrolled the upper one quickly for comparision, let me fix it. 2016-10-11T06:58:29 < dongs> thats not a comparison if youre changing the parameters. 2016-10-11T06:58:38 < jadew> also, regardless of the result 2016-10-11T06:58:43 < jadew> the upper one is more readable 2016-10-11T06:58:45 < jadew> so that wins 2016-10-11T06:58:54 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2016-10-11T06:59:07 < LeelooMinai> RIght, that's why I tried it, but I was wondering if it will create some abomination or not. 2016-10-11T06:59:29 < stvn> which cumpiler are you using 2016-10-11T06:59:45 < LeelooMinai> gcc 5.4.2 in C++14 mode 2016-10-11T07:00:06 < jadew> LeelooMinai, you can force it to inline it too 2016-10-11T07:00:24 < LeelooMinai> A lamda? 2016-10-11T07:00:24 < stvn> that sounds brilliant 2016-10-11T07:00:32 < LeelooMinai> lambda* 2016-10-11T07:00:51 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T07:00:51 < jadew> LeelooMinai, don't know about that 2016-10-11T07:01:04 < jadew> but the point is that you can get that inlined if you need to 2016-10-11T07:01:20 < LeelooMinai> Ok, but what is "that" 2016-10-11T07:02:02 < jadew> the whole thing, if you have to make sure it gets inlined, make it a proper function and declare it inline 2016-10-11T07:02:29 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: I learned electronics from EEVblog] 2016-10-11T07:03:02 < LeelooMinai> Right, well, it's (or will be), GPIO initialization function, so really called only once, but that would not gain much - just remove one call. 2016-10-11T07:05:08 < jadew> I find your color theme hard to read 2016-10-11T07:05:20 < jadew> have you tried a light theme? 2016-10-11T07:05:45 < LeelooMinai> Light in what sense? Light background? 2016-10-11T07:05:55 < jadew> white 2016-10-11T07:06:08 < jadew> or yellowish white 2016-10-11T07:06:27 < LeelooMinai> Yes, 20 years ago, and then I had to lie down and let my eyes return to normal:p 2016-10-11T07:06:58 < jadew> dark background is worse for your eyes 2016-10-11T07:06:59 < LeelooMinai> Ok, try 2 I guess. 2016-10-11T07:07:19 < jadew> because it's harder to focus, due to pupil dilatation 2016-10-11T07:08:00 < LeelooMinai> I have white panes to the side - it's still a lot of light. 2016-10-11T07:08:01 < jadew> when you're staring into a brighter monitor your iris is closed tighter => better focus 2016-10-11T07:09:17 -!- stvn [~stvn@c211-30-39-106.frank3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T07:09:17 -!- stvn [~stvn@c211-30-39-106.frank3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-11T07:09:17 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T07:09:57 < jadew> the colors are not as pretty tho 2016-10-11T07:10:10 < dongs> anyone remember off their head the hole size for 5mm screw terminals 2016-10-11T07:10:11 < dongs> 5.08mm 2016-10-11T07:10:20 < dongs> i think its bigger than 1mm but i dont have one laying around 2016-10-11T07:10:22 < LeelooMinai> Ok, 152 upper now vs 176 lower, so ok, the code is smaller... 2016-10-11T07:10:43 < LeelooMinai> Maybe I should not obsess further... 2016-10-11T07:11:12 < LeelooMinai> I managed to get board configuration to something like that: http://i.imgur.com/TpBuh0M.png 2016-10-11T07:11:32 < dongs> k some on-shore shit says 1mm 2016-10-11T07:11:36 < dongs> so hole should be bigger 2016-10-11T07:11:49 < LeelooMinai> And the cool thing is this will compile into all registers combined together during compilation stage. 2016-10-11T07:12:54 < LeelooMinai> So one just throws those pin configurations onto the config and it icrementallly build itself using constexpr - no templates or anything. 2016-10-11T07:14:02 < stvn> this is australia - http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/perth-man-says-thanks-after-thief-leaves-money-removes-problem-stereo-20161010-grz68p.html 2016-10-11T07:15:17 < jadew> LeelooMinai, couldn't do it with initializer list? 2016-10-11T07:15:56 < LeelooMinai> You mean using register values directly? 2016-10-11T07:16:16 < jadew> I mean instead of making use of the << operator 2016-10-11T07:17:23 < LeelooMinai> Well, you would need some calls anyways and it would not look as clean imo. There's a lot of stuff done by those constexpr: http://i.imgur.com/9MbBK5U.png 2016-10-11T07:17:34 < jadew> ohsix, well, the colors are prettier on darker themes 2016-10-11T07:17:54 < LeelooMinai> It also sets flags to mark which value changed. 2016-10-11T07:18:17 < dongs> CRT now doing incall repairs? 2016-10-11T07:19:41 < LeelooMinai> Well, I am not so convinced about those colors. Same with scopes for example and logic analyzers - waveforms on white background kind of are nto as clear to me as on black. 2016-10-11T07:20:07 < dongs> anyone using those newfag hipster dark trash colorschemes is a complete faggot 2016-10-11T07:20:26 < jadew> there, dongs settled it :P 2016-10-11T07:20:41 < LeelooMinai> Maybe it's a per-person thing, I don't know... White background just blinds me. I can read webpages ok more or less though:) 2016-10-11T07:20:51 < dongs> thats the m2f drugs 2016-10-11T07:20:54 < dongs> not white background 2016-10-11T07:21:08 < jadew> LeelooMinai, perhaps brightness too high? 2016-10-11T07:21:16 < LeelooMinai> Well, actually, I guess web-browser stuff does blind me a bit. 2016-10-11T07:21:17 < dongs> i still have my dick and im not suffering from "shit too white" problems 2016-10-11T07:21:37 < stvn> wtf 2016-10-11T07:21:41 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I keep it down - if I let it on default brightness I would just drop dead:) 2016-10-11T07:22:14 < dongs> i think... i would actually like that 2016-10-11T07:22:48 < jadew> I find my CCFL monitors best for coding, they have awesome contrast at low brightness 2016-10-11T07:23:03 < LeelooMinai> They die eventually though:) 2016-10-11T07:23:05 < jadew> I can't code on the LED one 2016-10-11T07:23:09 < jadew> yeah... 2016-10-11T07:23:15 < dongs> thats cuz you buy garbage LCDs 2016-10-11T07:23:17 < LeelooMinai> And good luck finding the tubes then. 2016-10-11T07:23:21 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T07:23:24 < jadew> well, I hope that by then the GB-LED technology will be more affordable 2016-10-11T07:23:33 < jadew> dongs, I followed your advice, I got a dell 2016-10-11T07:23:35 < LeelooMinai> jadew: The what? 2016-10-11T07:23:46 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Fleck, a_morale 2016-10-11T07:23:46 < LeelooMinai> What is GB-LED? 2016-10-11T07:23:51 < dongs> proper dell or the trash one wiht blue backlight? :) 2016-10-11T07:24:00 < jadew> LeelooMinai, new LED technology that produces less blue 2016-10-11T07:24:26 < LeelooMinai> New, like completelly new, or newish? 2016-10-11T07:24:44 < jadew> I don't know how new it is, still expensive new 2016-10-11T07:24:54 < jadew> dongs, some ISP one 2016-10-11T07:25:03 < jadew> IPS 2016-10-11T07:25:14 < jadew> regular LEDs tho 2016-10-11T07:25:34 < jadew> sucks less than the other ones I tried 2016-10-11T07:25:37 -!- bilboquet_ [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-11T07:26:54 < stvn> i want pro monitor shop 2016-10-11T07:27:14 < LeelooMinai> Assembly listing gcc fail:/ http://i.imgur.com/gJQgwOH.png 2016-10-11T07:28:18 < stvn> the fucken crt 2016-10-11T07:28:28 < stvn> amber phosphors n shit 2016-10-11T07:28:33 < jadew> LeelooMinai, do -save-temps 2016-10-11T07:28:48 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I tried, but same... 2016-10-11T07:28:55 < jadew> -fverbose-asm? 2016-10-11T07:29:07 < LeelooMinai> Already have it 2016-10-11T07:30:02 < jadew> I did grey on black and white on blue when DOS was still a thing 2016-10-11T07:30:32 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: The gcc 2016-10-11T07:30:54 < jadew> wasn't that green? 2016-10-11T07:31:09 < jadew> green text on black 2016-10-11T07:31:51 < LeelooMinai> As to the black backround being hipster: I remember in 90s at the univerity all the CS people had big-ass black&white UNIX terminals and coded on black background only:) 2016-10-11T07:32:13 < jadew> ohsix, that looks advanced 2016-10-11T07:32:25 < jadew> the commodore's I worked on were green on black 2016-10-11T07:32:30 < LeelooMinai> Looks same as on ATARI 2016-10-11T07:32:40 < jadew> those that were a single chunk 2016-10-11T07:32:48 < jadew> keyboard + display + main unit 2016-10-11T07:33:26 < jadew> I was thinking about this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Commodore_4032.jpg/220px-Commodore_4032.jpg 2016-10-11T07:34:55 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Weird, I get that ascii stuff only with -lto I think 2016-10-11T07:34:57 < jadew> they bring back nice memories 2016-10-11T07:36:37 < jadew> http://www.zimmers.net/cbmpics/home/labNow.jpg 2016-10-11T07:36:42 < jadew> I wonder if that guy has a g/f 2016-10-11T07:37:31 < LeelooMinai> I don't know what it is, but it's useless:) 2016-10-11T07:39:03 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-11T07:39:03 < LeelooMinai> Right, but I don't see why it should result in no ability to show the original code. 2016-10-11T07:39:44 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, right, maybe I should juse decompile. 2016-10-11T07:39:49 < LeelooMinai> just* 2016-10-11T07:40:51 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T07:40:53 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T07:41:10 < LeelooMinai> I tried -ggdb, not no. 2016-10-11T07:41:17 < LeelooMinai> but no* 2016-10-11T07:41:28 -!- nighty- [~cp@www.taiyolabs.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-11T07:43:07 < stvn> i'm fucking insane 2016-10-11T07:43:52 -!- bilboquet_ [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T07:44:44 < LeelooMinai> Fix commited in 2015... right 2016-10-11T07:44:47 < stvn> yeah 2016-10-11T07:44:50 < stvn> so it's fixed mate 2016-10-11T07:45:12 < LeelooMinai> lol, I don't think so, considering that's what I use, but the latest version from this year. 2016-10-11T07:45:57 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-11T07:46:45 < stvn> yeah these free software fucks 2016-10-11T07:46:50 < stvn> being lazy n shit 2016-10-11T07:46:57 < stvn> somebody has to whip them a bit 2016-10-11T07:47:19 < stvn> I'VE PAID NOTHING, YOU SON OF A ASKJDGASJDFGKGLAJ FIX MY SHIT 2016-10-11T07:48:11 < stvn> keil ey 2016-10-11T07:48:11 < dongs> --ggdb more like -make-my-code-even-shittier 2016-10-11T07:48:24 < dongs> keil asm listings are gr8 2016-10-11T07:48:26 < dongs> map files too 2016-10-11T07:48:33 < dongs> i never seen what garbage gnu linker puts in map files but 2016-10-11T07:48:36 < dongs> the shit from keil is amazing 2016-10-11T07:48:57 < LeelooMinai> lol, I uploaded the elf to https://www.onlinedisassembler.com 2016-10-11T07:49:11 < LeelooMinai> And it seems to work - detected architecture, etc. 2016-10-11T07:49:35 < dongs> GNU's Not for U 2016-10-11T07:49:41 < stvn> hahahahaha 2016-10-11T07:49:52 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T07:49:55 < emeb_mac> R2COM: did you ever get one of those cheapo RF LOs? 2016-10-11T07:50:03 < dongs> RF? 2016-10-11T07:50:25 < dongs> didnt even know such thing existed 2016-10-11T07:50:36 < dongs> STM32W was a thing at one time but zero docs and probly discontinued now 2016-10-11T07:51:01 < emeb_mac> R2COM: we were talking about cheap LO sources based on Analog Devices PLLs 2016-10-11T07:51:08 < dongs> oh that. 2016-10-11T07:51:09 < emeb_mac> I linked you some from ebay 2016-10-11T07:51:14 < dongs> are you talkin about LO or L0 2016-10-11T07:51:19 < dongs> my fucking chat doenst make a difference 2016-10-11T07:51:21 < emeb_mac> local osc 2016-10-11T07:52:03 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/bl52lL2.png do you think i should get a new font 2016-10-11T07:52:07 < dongs> but i really like this one 2016-10-11T07:52:29 < emeb_mac> R2COM: do you remember the part number of the Analog Devices PLL? I forgot! 2016-10-11T07:52:38 < LeelooMinai> I use consoleas everywhere pretty much - it's nice for programming 2016-10-11T07:52:42 < LeelooMinai> Consolas* 2016-10-11T07:52:45 < emeb_mac> ebay searches not turning up the listings I found earlier 2016-10-11T07:52:50 < stvn> ^ 2016-10-11T07:52:57 < emeb_mac> those cheap china things 2016-10-11T07:53:58 < emeb_mac> ohsix: nope - that's a dds 2016-10-11T07:54:45 < stvn> batangChe ? 2016-10-11T07:55:00 < emeb_mac> guess I need to search the logs 2016-10-11T07:55:16 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T07:58:33 < stvn> how many grams mate 2016-10-11T07:58:45 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-11T07:58:50 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-11T07:59:03 < stvn> sweet 2016-10-11T07:59:05 < emeb_mac> R2COM: yeah - there was a dude in Texas who was selling one 2016-10-11T07:59:09 < emeb_mac> not chinatrash 2016-10-11T07:59:13 < emeb_mac> looked pretty good 2016-10-11T07:59:20 < stvn> i wanna know how much one can stone and still be pro 2016-10-11T08:01:06 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: The obj file is screwed - cannot be disassembled. 2016-10-11T08:02:02 < LeelooMinai> There is, but the objdump cannot understand what it is inside. 2016-10-11T08:02:12 < LeelooMinai> Just outputs hex data sections. 2016-10-11T08:02:52 < emeb_mac> R2COM: this is for a different project 2016-10-11T08:03:09 < emeb_mac> need a LO source for an RF down/upconverter 2016-10-11T08:03:13 < emeb_mac> connectorized 2016-10-11T08:09:00 < emeb_mac> R2COM: that's the one. Thanks! 2016-10-11T08:18:18 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdeBGLNl91I 2016-10-11T08:19:24 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-11T08:21:06 < stvn> tis pretty much 50% of australia 2016-10-11T08:21:43 < stvn> PeterM will confirm it 2016-10-11T08:41:20 < stvn> R2COM, it's the dullest place on earth 2016-10-11T08:43:32 < dongs> R2COM: .. button? you mean Win-D? first thing I disable on a windows install 2016-10-11T08:46:46 < stvn> nah mate 2016-10-11T08:46:50 < stvn> she's married with kids 2016-10-11T08:47:28 < stvn> she actually had the kids after marriage too, that makes her one of 1000 people in AU 2016-10-11T08:48:54 < stvn> o6 there doesn't have to be 2016-10-11T08:50:26 < stvn> in australia the women will recycle a load blown in their mouth and stick it up their cunt 2016-10-11T08:50:29 < stvn> to lock a guy in 2016-10-11T08:51:23 < dongs> my second package from gearbest that I didn't order will arrive in 2 days 2016-10-11T08:51:25 < dongs> i wonder what will it be 2016-10-11T08:51:28 < dongs> second yodaphone? 2016-10-11T08:51:31 < dongs> empty box? 2016-10-11T08:51:35 < dongs> a jar of AIDS? 2016-10-11T08:51:38 < dongs> the mYSTERY! 2016-10-11T08:52:23 < stvn> dongs i'm waitin for my literature mate 2016-10-11T09:00:49 < stvn> the flying capacitor mate 2016-10-11T09:12:47 < dongs> did gsmarena add 3.5mm jack : yes 2016-10-11T09:12:51 < dongs> to all therirr phone listsings 2016-10-11T09:12:53 < dongs> just to piss off applefags? 2016-10-11T09:16:11 < stvn> lol n 2016-10-11T09:16:17 < stvn> but yeah even that... a rarity 2016-10-11T09:16:23 < stvn> the whole 'marriage' thing 2016-10-11T09:16:31 < stvn> cause its harder to rip off welfare if you're married 2016-10-11T09:17:29 < stvn> grouse 2016-10-11T09:17:39 < stvn> never knew we were on tv 2016-10-11T09:20:22 < stvn> l8r m8 2016-10-11T09:24:14 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-91ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T09:26:27 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-11T09:39:51 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T09:45:41 < stvn> Laurenceb, band https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuzpFMWReZw 2016-10-11T09:45:43 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/2yiNDaY.png .. i dont even 2016-10-11T09:48:17 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-91ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-11T09:48:28 < stvn> u been gettin footprints from freelancer mate? 2016-10-11T09:48:43 < dongs> how'd you guess 2016-10-11T09:49:08 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Design-WordPress-Mockup/ 2016-10-11T09:50:05 < stvn> coz its ass cancer 2016-10-11T09:50:51 < stvn> and that's no good for anyone 2016-10-11T09:51:25 < stvn> what the fuck is vhdl 2016-10-11T09:51:36 < LeelooMinai> FPGA stuff 2016-10-11T09:51:50 < stvn> stm32 has built in fgpa now? 2016-10-11T09:52:09 < LeelooMinai> There are two languages for FPGAs more or less: VHDL and Verilog/SystemVerilog 2016-10-11T09:52:23 < stvn> jokes aside i wanted to try a piece of silicon with cortexm + fgpa 2016-10-11T09:52:27 < stvn> *fpga 2016-10-11T09:52:51 < stvn> yeah i did fpga at school it was so exciting 2016-10-11T09:53:23 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-119-94.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T09:53:31 < stvn> i just want to buy a $2000 terasic board 2016-10-11T09:53:42 < LeelooMinai> FPGAs are cool. Tools not so much. 2016-10-11T09:53:54 < stvn> yeah i used cuntis II 2016-10-11T09:54:08 < stvn> and lattice dickmould 2016-10-11T09:54:36 < stvn> yeah you can only whip those grads so hard you know 2016-10-11T09:54:43 < stvn> until they start bleeding from the ears 2016-10-11T09:56:44 < stvn> good story o6 2016-10-11T09:59:37 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T10:02:56 -!- Fleck [~fleck@unaffiliated/fleck] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T10:03:14 < PaulFertser> stvn: you seem to be very talented, managed to self-teach dongs-speak in, like, less than a month! 2016-10-11T10:03:36 < PaulFertser> ohsix: I know 2016-10-11T10:05:16 * LeelooMinai lols at Trump deflecting his sexist talk 2016-10-11T10:05:18 < stvn> PaulFertser, yeah i'm quite proud of my accomplishments 2016-10-11T10:05:34 < stvn> thanks for your recognition 2016-10-11T10:05:41 < LeelooMinai> "Yes, it was locker room talk, and I am not proud of it, but ISIS" :p 2016-10-11T10:07:37 < stvn> LeelooMinai, you still following those clowns? 2016-10-11T10:07:42 < stvn> hillary/trump 2016-10-11T10:08:12 < LeelooMinai> No, just went on YouTube to take my mind from the code from the sleep and saw it on SecularTalk 2016-10-11T10:08:23 < LeelooMinai> before the sleep* 2016-10-11T10:11:36 < LeelooMinai> Well, not into politics, but if the world collapses, I will at least know what led to it:) 2016-10-11T10:11:51 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T10:16:34 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/eXeUlsK.jpg 2016-10-11T10:16:37 < stvn> fuck this piece of shit 2016-10-11T10:18:11 < stvn> dc protection is gone 2016-10-11T10:18:17 < stvn> but no dc fault 2016-10-11T10:19:24 < stvn> yeah less than 2 mins 2016-10-11T10:19:31 < stvn> i mean more than 2 minutes 2016-10-11T10:19:52 < stvn> i'll just get a box of circuit boards and send it to ya, good luck 2016-10-11T10:20:23 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T10:23:09 < stvn> looks like the relay is hi-z or stuck 2016-10-11T10:24:05 < stvn> at least judging from that piece of scrap toilet paper schematic 2016-10-11T10:24:33 < stvn> relay is definitely ON 2016-10-11T10:24:43 < stvn> ohsix, maybe... depends on design 2016-10-11T10:26:33 < stvn> a toroid + 1 bridge and a few caps aint gonna fail anytime soon 2016-10-11T10:27:11 < stvn> better than the abysmal joke "flyback" psus most of these shit monitors have i'm servicing 2016-10-11T10:30:00 < stvn> i might go do a service call and drop a spanner in a 50kva UPS at a datacentre 2016-10-11T10:31:47 < Fleck> who got and freq. gen for give-away? ;( :p 2016-10-11T10:31:52 < Fleck> *an 2016-10-11T10:31:58 < stvn> yeah come pick it up 2016-10-11T10:32:04 < stvn> GW quality mate 2016-10-11T10:33:15 < stvn> man i've picked up some garbage in recent years 2016-10-11T10:33:47 < Fleck> stvn: shipping costs? 2016-10-11T10:44:58 < upgrdman> watching some video on AMD CodeXL. wtf is a "wave" ? is that a gpu core? 2016-10-11T10:45:03 < stvn> Fleck, who would know 2016-10-11T10:45:14 < dongs> dont give anything to fleck 2016-10-11T10:45:18 < dongs> he's a certified nutcase 2016-10-11T10:45:22 < stvn> same 2016-10-11T10:45:28 < dongs> you might as well ship shit to o6 2016-10-11T10:46:13 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-119-94.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-11T10:47:38 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.221] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T10:48:42 < stvn> yeah nah https://vid.me/4QK7 2016-10-11T10:49:20 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T10:49:20 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-11T10:49:34 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ is now known as Mr_Sheesh 2016-10-11T10:51:53 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-11T10:52:00 < stvn> unfortunately that circuit probably has a massive turn-on thump hence easy-way-out-put-a-relay-there 2016-10-11T10:52:20 < PaulFertser> stvn: (housos) I would guess there're equally stupid and unfunny shows on russian tv too, but I'm not sure since I do not watch TV. 2016-10-11T10:52:49 < stvn> yeah probably man 2016-10-11T10:59:04 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T11:01:44 < upgrdman> stvn, whats going on in that vid 2016-10-11T11:01:58 < upgrdman> coil on a stick -> amp -> speaker? 2016-10-11T11:02:42 < stvn> yeah relay is not working 2016-10-11T11:03:30 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-11T11:03:45 < stvn> coil is most likely fried 2016-10-11T11:05:01 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T11:06:04 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-11T11:06:31 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T11:07:54 -!- boB_K7IQ 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blob on the back is kinda dumb but otherwise it's great 2016-10-11T12:53:02 < dongs> snort 2016-10-11T12:54:16 < dongs> no, useless 2016-10-11T12:59:22 -!- Luggi09 is now known as Lux 2016-10-11T13:01:44 -!- fenugrec [~R@24-50-113-108.dm.cgocable.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T13:11:35 < stvn> did tectu go to jail 2016-10-11T13:17:10 < Fleck> got trapt fixing uGFX 2016-10-11T13:25:47 < Steffanx> People go to school and stuff stvn.. 2016-10-11T13:26:08 < dongs> k sold my dpo4034 for 3k to local testequipment reseller 2016-10-11T13:26:20 < dongs> you cunts didnt want it, your loss 2016-10-11T13:26:26 < stvn> :~( 2016-10-11T13:27:04 < Fleck> and fix their bugs :D 2016-10-11T13:27:24 < stvn> oh lol 2016-10-11T13:27:32 < stvn> yeah i learned avr in jail mate 2016-10-11T13:27:53 < dongs> makes sense 2016-10-11T13:27:57 < dongs> avr programming == buttsex 2016-10-11T13:28:02 < stvn> lol 2016-10-11T13:29:20 < stvn> when i was a student i used to go home and rewrite my notes 2016-10-11T13:32:19 < dongs> god damn the new header ads on theregisters are nasty 2016-10-11T13:32:57 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-11T13:40:59 < stvn> stupid article though 2016-10-11T13:41:11 < dongs> theregister run out of trash to write about 2016-10-11T13:42:10 < stvn> z80 based mcus have been round for years 2016-10-11T13:42:43 < stvn> oh.... 2016-10-11T13:43:13 < stvn> totally worth writing some z80 nostalgia shitfit over 2016-10-11T13:43:34 < dongs> what makes it any different from a bunch of other PFC?whatever shit with some on-board mcu that you dont even know about that just fuckign works 2016-10-11T13:44:54 < stvn> reason why this shit pisses me off cause its the same type of shitbag that bangs on about the hyperloop being practical... 2016-10-11T13:45:54 < stvn> because maglev trains or someshit like wtf mate 2016-10-11T13:47:20 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T13:47:33 < Steffanx> Lol i couldnt agree more on the bitter thing, flyback 2016-10-11T13:49:05 < karlp> pretty sure that's not even beyond rated temps 2016-10-11T13:49:27 < Thorn__> it takes flyback to know dongs 2016-10-11T13:50:13 < karlp> regular range for stm32 is -40 to 85c 2016-10-11T13:50:29 < karlp> you can buy them in -40 to 105 too 2016-10-11T13:50:40 < stvn> those billion transistors in your intel cpu n all that.... 2016-10-11T13:50:45 < karlp> cold is normally good 2016-10-11T13:50:57 < karlp> you've got to get _realllly_ cold for it to matter 2016-10-11T13:50:57 < fenugrec> I'm curious why normal temp ranges rarely go below -40C 2016-10-11T13:51:03 < dongs> you'd need to try pretty hard to get a modern intel to stay below -40C in the first place 2016-10-11T13:51:07 < dongs> if its powered up 2016-10-11T13:51:08 < dongs> its gonna heat itself up 2016-10-11T13:51:12 < karlp> find an environment whereyou can get to -40 2016-10-11T13:51:14 < karlp> yeah, what dongs said 2016-10-11T13:51:30 < karlp> still, this fucking wago plc we've got here is only rated for 0 to 55 2016-10-11T13:51:37 < karlp> so we've got a fucking heating element in the case with it. 2016-10-11T13:51:40 < karlp> fuckinggggg dumb 2016-10-11T13:51:41 < fenugrec> lots of places in the world get < -40C a few times every winter. 2016-10-11T13:52:00 < karlp> fenugrec: sure, but do you have the chip outside in direct exposure to that? 2016-10-11T13:52:08 < karlp> self heating is real yo 2016-10-11T13:52:21 < fenugrec> karlp no, but if you have your car parked outside all night, pretty sure every IC inside is uniformly minus-whatever 2016-10-11T13:53:29 < karlp> I think it's dumb. specify non-condensing if you like, but having a limit of only zero for an "industrial" plc is just fucking lame. 2016-10-11T13:57:57 < stvn> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-11/samsung-ends-production-of-note-7-after-global-recall-new-fires 2016-10-11T13:58:03 < stvn> hahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaaha 2016-10-11T13:58:12 -!- fenugrec [~R@24-50-113-108.dm.cgocable.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-11T13:58:25 < dongs> stvn: i lo'd at this like 9am today 2016-10-11T13:59:04 < stvn> It's pretty good, forgot about 'internet of shit' on twitter 2016-10-11T13:59:37 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-11T14:02:38 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/QKKW0W88.html why teh fuck ST example code so silly 2016-10-11T14:03:38 < stvn> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-11/samsung-ends-production-of-note-7-after-global-recall-new-fires 2016-10-11T14:03:38 < stvn> hahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahahaaha 2016-10-11T14:03:41 < stvn> wrong paste 2016-10-11T14:03:52 < stvn> "samsung iot enabled washing machine caught making anti semitic remarks" 2016-10-11T14:04:11 < stvn> now thats a title 2016-10-11T14:04:17 < stvn> dunno 2016-10-11T14:04:28 < stvn> englishman, yeah i remember that old thing 2016-10-11T14:06:08 < stvn> oh 2016-10-11T14:07:17 < stvn> ok 2016-10-11T14:09:02 < stvn> you don't say... 2016-10-11T14:15:55 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: I learned electronics from EEVblog] 2016-10-11T14:18:26 < kakimir> flyback: do they have actuators connected to it? 2016-10-11T14:18:32 < kakimir> r just big shocks? 2016-10-11T14:23:08 < kakimir> those things there under the ball 2016-10-11T14:24:30 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 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2016-10-11T14:56:04 < kakimir> I wonder what material that base sheet is 2016-10-11T14:57:08 < kakimir> ptfe is not a joke if you buy it in right spray 2016-10-11T14:58:08 < kakimir> auto oil ptfe additive? 2016-10-11T15:00:49 < kakimir> sure 2016-10-11T15:01:01 < kakimir> with good oil you don't need gimmicks 2016-10-11T15:01:40 < kakimir> sure you use plastics 2016-10-11T15:01:45 < kakimir> in such application 2016-10-11T15:06:10 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T15:08:11 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T15:12:13 < kakimir> omg ebay has changed it's refund / return system 2016-10-11T15:12:52 < kakimir> it's as shitty as their customer service that isn't there 2016-10-11T15:14:07 < kakimir> only dialogs of options that do not match your situation 2016-10-11T15:15:24 < jpa-> you just fail 2016-10-11T15:15:25 -!- Jak_o_Shadows1 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2016-10-11T15:41:10 < kakimir> fucking waste of time to complain about 3eur products 2016-10-11T15:41:21 < kakimir> they rely on that you don't have time 2016-10-11T15:41:34 < kakimir> and send inferior shiet 2016-10-11T15:42:03 < jpa-> often yeah, though it doesn't take many clicks to complain 2016-10-11T15:42:33 < kakimir> take a photo 2016-10-11T15:42:37 < kakimir> write shit 2016-10-11T15:42:49 < kakimir> page bugs 2016-10-11T15:42:53 < kakimir> write again 2016-10-11T15:43:03 < kakimir> wait response 2016-10-11T15:43:06 < kakimir> write more 2016-10-11T15:43:25 < kakimir> wait 3weeks and get shit 2016-10-11T15:44:18 -!- ac|work [~ardu@178.124.147.109] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-11T15:44:36 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T15:46:38 < kakimir> hey and remember to compress those photos too 2016-10-11T15:47:24 -!- Jak_o_Shadows1 [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 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2016-10-11T16:54:57 < kakimir> I do not have boms 2016-10-11T16:55:16 < kakimir> they have some interactive web stuff? 2016-10-11T16:59:01 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T16:59:49 < kakimir> okay my board has the same amount of components 2016-10-11T16:59:56 < kakimir> but it's really much smaller 2016-10-11T17:00:19 < kakimir> 100units would ve 2.5kilousd 2016-10-11T17:02:26 < kakimir> even parts are bout the price 2016-10-11T17:03:00 < kakimir> so I should sell units for usd50 per unit 2016-10-11T17:04:47 < kakimir> oh but my boards are 4layer so there is suprise price for me there 2016-10-11T17:04:58 < kakimir> I don't think it changes anything 2016-10-11T17:07:23 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T17:08:05 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-11T17:08:54 < kakimir> I get materials myself for usd10 with 24vat 2016-10-11T17:08:58 < kakimir> including board 2016-10-11T17:09:31 < kakimir> so if I solder those on it's worth usd15 per unit 2016-10-11T17:10:30 * kakimir tears his face off while thinking all the soldering 2016-10-11T17:10:44 < kakimir> and unsold units 2016-10-11T17:12:45 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.221] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T17:15:57 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-102-173.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-11T17:42:34 < kakimir> I wish I some day had my boards - even prototypes dick and placed for me 2016-10-11T17:42:57 < kakimir> if I was smart I had it that way already 2016-10-11T17:52:37 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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And the lowest enabled channel will actually be in buffer[0] ? 2016-10-11T18:19:49 < kakimir> if it says so 2016-10-11T18:20:16 < BenderTheMan> I'm not sure where does it say that. That's why I'm asking... 2016-10-11T18:20:22 < kakimir> or channel0 = 0 2016-10-11T18:20:27 < kakimir> or in scan order 2016-10-11T18:20:39 < kakimir> there is multiple possible ways it's done 2016-10-11T18:20:48 < kakimir> what chip you are refering to? 2016-10-11T18:21:54 < kakimir> these pros need chip info 2016-10-11T18:23:14 < kakimir> BenderTheMan: have you downloaded all the pdfs related to chip? there may be multiple ones like - series datasheet, per chip datasheet, user manual, technical reference manual 2016-10-11T18:23:25 < kakimir> at least in nxp world 2016-10-11T18:24:37 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-11T18:25:29 < kakimir> ADC application notes per the chip 2016-10-11T18:25:38 < kakimir> may have hints for it 2016-10-11T18:26:17 < jpa-> BenderTheMan: i recommend looking at the reference manual and skipping HAL.. the HAL docs are usually pretty confusing 2016-10-11T18:30:28 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-11T18:36:51 < BenderTheMan> jpa-: I'm using STDPeriph 2016-10-11T18:37:27 < BenderTheMan> kakimir: I downloaded a lot of PDFs, not all of them I guess but I can't seem to find what does upward / backward refer to. The channel number or the order they were initialized 2016-10-11T18:37:54 < karlp> there's an app note labelled "understanding adc modes on stm32..." 2016-10-11T18:37:59 < kakimir> then what you must do 2016-10-11T18:38:05 < kakimir> is to experiment 2016-10-11T18:38:56 < BenderTheMan> Okay, I'm on it :) 2016-10-11T18:40:13 < kakimir> and to read what karlp said too 2016-10-11T18:42:04 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.158.115] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T18:43:47 < BenderTheMan> It's the channel number. Makes sense. :) 2016-10-11T18:46:25 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T18:48:17 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-11T18:48:28 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-11T18:53:38 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-38-21.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T18:54:29 < BenderTheMan> stm32f030r8t 2016-10-11T18:56:21 -!- Chris_M|2 [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-11-199.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-11T19:00:17 < BenderTheMan> Awesome. Didn't know that trick. :) THank you! :) 2016-10-11T19:02:21 < Thorn__> anyone using .chm files for their documentation should be added to the sex offender registry 2016-10-11T19:06:10 < aandrew> englishman: what's wrong with that? very straightforward 2016-10-11T19:06:16 < aandrew> you can't change ADC config when a conversion is going on 2016-10-11T19:06:46 < aandrew> you sounded like you didn't like it 2016-10-11T19:06:46 < aandrew> ahh 2016-10-11T19:06:51 < aandrew> I misread 2016-10-11T19:06:52 < aandrew> no worries 2016-10-11T19:06:54 < aandrew> carry on :-) 2016-10-11T19:12:07 < karlp> chm's not terrible, it'ðs just that so few people use it. 2016-10-11T19:12:16 < aandrew> I dislike chms 2016-10-11T19:15:47 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-11T19:17:13 < BenderTheMan> When doing ADC, would it better to calculate VDDa every time and then use it to simplify the calculation of the ADC2Voltage or is it better to use Vref value directly? 2016-10-11T19:22:32 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T19:36:07 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T19:37:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.158.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-11T19:40:13 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T19:41:31 < Ecco> hey 2016-10-11T19:42:05 < Ecco> There's one thing I'm not sure to understand 2016-10-11T19:42:24 < Ecco> I'm reading the datasheet for USBLC6-2, an USB ESD protection by ST 2016-10-11T19:43:24 < Ecco> Would it protect from an electrostatic discharge on any of GND, D+, D- and VBUS? 2016-10-11T19:43:37 < Ecco> Maybe my understanding of ESD is wrong 2016-10-11T19:43:56 < Ecco> The way I see it is that it happens whenever an user has accumulated static electricity 2016-10-11T19:44:01 < Ecco> and touches the device somehow 2016-10-11T19:44:19 < Ecco> So there might be a high voltage difference between, say, his finger and the table the object lies on 2016-10-11T19:45:02 < Ecco> So whenever said finger comes too close to the object, that static charges wants to flow to/from the table the object is lying on 2016-10-11T19:45:19 < Ecco> and, if we're unlucky, it might decide to flow through a silicon device, which it would destroy 2016-10-11T19:45:51 < Ecco> Is any of this even remotely correct? 2016-10-11T19:48:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-11T19:50:09 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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It looks that enc28j requires a bit more weightlifting 2016-10-11T20:53:04 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-11T20:57:02 < upgrdman> r2com, you also need to protect the power rails. if you pump to much shit into them, the voltage will rise 2016-10-11T20:57:22 < upgrdman> that's why many TVS packages have a zener (or equiv) across the rail that they clamp to 2016-10-11T21:00:07 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T21:02:56 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.219.167] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-11T21:03:09 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ad914.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T21:08:24 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T21:16:37 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.219.167] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T21:25:44 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.219.167] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-11T21:26:24 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T21:28:08 < qyx> BenderTheMan: why? some stm connectivity line MCUs have an on-chip ethernet MAC 2016-10-11T21:28:41 < BenderTheMan> qyx: The one I'm using nad modifying doesn't have eth mac 2016-10-11T21:28:51 < qyx> and read the enc28j60 errata first, trash it then 2016-10-11T21:28:54 < BenderTheMan> I'll probabbly end up using W5500 as adon 2016-10-11T21:29:16 < BenderTheMan> Yeah, I saw that... that is some f-ed up silicon :D 2016-10-11T21:30:32 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@parabox.it-syndikat.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-11T21:35:14 < Steffanx> ask friend of the channel kakimir. He is totally into wiznet 2016-10-11T21:36:15 < kakimir> I just yesterday decided maybe to use wizned 2016-10-11T21:36:25 < kakimir> now I'm the guru 2016-10-11T21:37:27 < Steffanx> hah. 2016-10-11T21:37:28 < Steffanx> yes. 2016-10-11T21:38:51 < kakimir> I wonder if there something like wiznet but like in really small form and chinacopy? 2016-10-11T21:41:27 < Steffanx> Esp 2016-10-11T21:41:31 < Steffanx> Wifi 2016-10-11T21:42:39 < kakimir> not wireless aids 2016-10-11T21:43:03 < Steffanx> Wannabee dongs. 2016-10-11T21:44:29 < kakimir> somebody needs to replace him 2016-10-11T21:45:02 < kakimir> eventually 2016-10-11T21:46:08 < PaulFertser> kakimir: you mean you want the chip to emulate something like UART over Ethernet so you can avoid running lwIP on stm32? 2016-10-11T21:47:03 < kakimir> try to avoid bloaty chip and bloaty pcb for option that is not essential 2016-10-11T21:47:26 < PaulFertser> wiznet is bloaty 2016-10-11T21:47:38 < qyx> tqfp64 + qfn24 is not 2016-10-11T21:47:42 < kakimir> I noticed yesterday 2016-10-11T21:47:42 < qyx> or even smaller 2016-10-11T21:47:51 < kakimir> those boards are huge 2016-10-11T21:48:21 < PaulFertser> Easier to get stm32f105/107 for new design. 2016-10-11T21:48:53 < kakimir> I have 2016-10-11T21:50:22 < qyx> you can get stm32f107 + ksz8081rna (or whatever it was) + dc/dc + RJ45 + magnetics + some connectors on 50x50mm board 2016-10-11T22:03:01 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-11T22:03:49 < jadew> LeelooMinai, you know why I stopped watching The Colony? the action has little to do with the interesting bit 2016-10-11T22:04:47 < jadew> it feels like it's going to drag along like this for entire seasons until they throw a bit more info about the aliens 2016-10-11T22:04:56 < LeelooMinai> It's a while since I watched it - from what I remember it was ok and I will watch the next season. 2016-10-11T22:05:10 < jadew> did you see any aliens yet? 2016-10-11T22:05:24 < jadew> (in the first season) 2016-10-11T22:05:35 * LeelooMinai inspects ceramic tweezers from Aliexpress and thinks "sweet" 2016-10-11T22:05:54 < LeelooMinai> jadew: lol, you watch those to see aliens? 2016-10-11T22:06:01 < jadew> yeah... 2016-10-11T22:06:12 < jadew> I was hoping something alien-related would come up 2016-10-11T22:06:39 < LeelooMinai> Meh... I watch mostly for the characters, story, etc. 2016-10-11T22:06:55 < jadew> yeah, I've seen this story before 2016-10-11T22:07:10 < jadew> they're all the same 2016-10-11T22:07:26 < LeelooMinai> I mean, take that big budget series, what was it called, from Spielberg... 2016-10-11T22:07:37 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-11T22:07:37 < jadew> with the kids 2016-10-11T22:07:44 < jadew> ? 2016-10-11T22:08:19 < LeelooMinai> Ok, found it, Falling Skies - I actually stopped watch it at some point. 2016-10-11T22:08:20 < jadew> stranger things? 2016-10-11T22:08:25 < jadew> ah 2016-10-11T22:08:44 < LeelooMinai> Had tons of aliens, but man... it was zero fun. 2016-10-11T22:08:48 < jadew> I tried watching that one too, felt like bullshit 2016-10-11T22:09:04 < LeelooMinai> Right, just no soul. 2016-10-11T22:09:24 < LeelooMinai> Big budget, good CGI, etc., but fail. 2016-10-11T22:09:27 < Steffanx> i watch it all. :P 2016-10-11T22:09:30 < jadew> did you see childhood's end? I recommended it a couple of times in here 2016-10-11T22:09:34 < Steffanx> *watched 2016-10-11T22:09:40 < jadew> Steffanx, falling skies? 2016-10-11T22:09:48 < Steffanx> Yes 2016-10-11T22:09:56 < LeelooMinai> On the other hand, lots of low budget sci-fi can be super-fun, like Dark Matter for example. 2016-10-11T22:09:59 < jadew> does it get better? 2016-10-11T22:10:06 < Steffanx> Probably because "Can't stop after x seasons" 2016-10-11T22:10:07 < LeelooMinai> No it does not... believe me. 2016-10-11T22:10:13 < Steffanx> No, it does not. 2016-10-11T22:10:16 < Steffanx> Only gets worse. 2016-10-11T22:10:16 < jadew> hehe 2016-10-11T22:10:34 < LeelooMinai> Waste of resources imo:/ 2016-10-11T22:10:44 < Steffanx> Im glad the series is done. 2016-10-11T22:12:24 < jadew> I'll try Dark Matter next 2016-10-11T22:12:36 -!- Lt_Lemming [~Lt_Lemmin@128.199.211.147] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-11T22:12:47 < Steffanx> Dark Matter.. im not sure what to think of that 2016-10-11T22:13:15 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: It's like Firefly imo - not much budget, but fun to watch. 2016-10-11T22:13:25 < Steffanx> never watched firefly 2016-10-11T22:13:36 < jadew> that one was fun 2016-10-11T22:13:56 < jadew> I have no idea how they could cancel something like that 2016-10-11T22:14:24 < Steffanx> Some series are waaay to slow, but for me Dark Matter is a bit too fast (often) 2016-10-11T22:14:53 < LeelooMinai> jadew: You make a mistake thinking that most people watching TV are nerds:p 2016-10-11T22:16:12 < jadew> don't know, it was very light on the sci part 2016-10-11T22:16:42 < jadew> but still very entertaining 2016-10-11T22:16:45 < LeelooMinai> I guess it was kind of a western in space 2016-10-11T22:16:49 < jadew> like something you'd pay for to see at the cinema 2016-10-11T22:18:36 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I like how dark matter starts 2016-10-11T22:18:43 < Steffanx> Did jadew watch Humans? It's semi-british so a bit different than the traditional Amercian crap :P 2016-10-11T22:18:50 < Steffanx> Maybe a bit too much drama though. 2016-10-11T22:19:00 < jadew> Steffanx, haven't seen it 2016-10-11T22:19:09 < jadew> I watched a couple of british shows in the past, I enjoyed them 2016-10-11T22:19:22 < LeelooMinai> jadew: 5 minutes ago you did not watch it yet... 2016-10-11T22:19:30 < jadew> black books, the IT crowd, torchwood 2016-10-11T22:19:58 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I'm at 1:50 now 2016-10-11T22:20:06 < Steffanx> but this is scifi. 2016-10-11T22:20:23 < jadew> Torchwood was good 2016-10-11T22:20:25 < jadew> did you see it? 2016-10-11T22:20:30 < jadew> (sci-fi as well) 2016-10-11T22:20:47 < Steffanx> nope. 2016-10-11T22:22:17 < jadew> more fantasy than sci-fi, but still good 2016-10-11T22:25:55 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.159.115] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-11T22:28:37 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-11T22:43:19 < Steffanx> I think i cannot spend more time on watching some series :P 2016-10-11T22:43:24 < Steffanx> *shouldnt 2016-10-11T22:43:58 < LeelooMinai> I watch when I eat dinner, etc. :) 2016-10-11T22:45:34 < LeelooMinai> That way I don't feel I waste time - it's the relax time from doing computer sessions. 2016-10-11T22:47:08 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T22:55:53 -!- fenugrec [~R@24-50-113-108.dm.cgocable.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T22:58:55 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.219.167] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T22:59:54 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2016-10-11T23:04:01 < jadew> I watch tv shows when I work, so I don't feel I waste time 2016-10-11T23:04:08 < LeelooMinai> lol 2016-10-11T23:08:04 < Steffanx> I never understand how people do that. 2016-10-11T23:08:24 < Steffanx> I cannot program while watching a series and i miss what happens in the series when i program. 2016-10-11T23:08:25 < jadew> has to be an easy show 2016-10-11T23:08:34 < LeelooMinai> Right, I could not do that too. 2016-10-11T23:08:36 < Steffanx> *write code 2016-10-11T23:08:38 < jadew> something you can mainly listen to 2016-10-11T23:08:59 < LeelooMinai> I mean eating ok, it's not something that requires using the brain much... 2016-10-11T23:09:19 < LeelooMinai> jadew: You are weird imo:) 2016-10-11T23:09:31 < Steffanx> ^^ agreed :P 2016-10-11T23:09:47 < jadew> heh 2016-10-11T23:09:56 < Steffanx> Also, dont you work in some work office. With collegues etc? But i guess you werent refering to that kind of work. 2016-10-11T23:10:18 < jadew> I work from home, I rarely see my collegues 2016-10-11T23:10:42 < Steffanx> Explains a lot, i think. 2016-10-11T23:11:20 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I would get a MRI,, to check if you don't have two brains or something unnatural like that:) 2016-10-11T23:11:30 < LeelooMinai> am* 2016-10-11T23:11:47 < LeelooMinai> One brain per eye 2016-10-11T23:11:59 < Steffanx> lol. 2016-10-11T23:12:03 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T23:12:10 < jadew> haha, that would be one weird animal 2016-10-11T23:12:47 < LeelooMinai> Well, in a sense brain is already divided into two pretty clearly. 2016-10-11T23:13:38 < LeelooMinai> WIth a big bus in-between 2016-10-11T23:13:58 < jadew> I was thinking at some point about that 2016-10-11T23:14:33 < jadew> what would happen if the link got severed (it happens) but with no other damage to either hemisphere 2016-10-11T23:14:50 < jadew> and if this thing lasted for quite some time, say... a year 2016-10-11T23:14:54 < LeelooMinai> I think this was experimented on. 2016-10-11T23:14:54 < jadew> and then suddenly got fixed 2016-10-11T23:15:00 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-11T23:15:21 < jadew> I'd expect both you to evolve on separate paths 2016-10-11T23:15:41 < LeelooMinai> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfGwsAdS9Dc 2016-10-11T23:15:44 < jadew> LeelooMinai, what were the results? 2016-10-11T23:16:13 < LeelooMinai> Pretty weird - there's a guy there drawing something and having no idea what it is until he uses the other eye. 2016-10-11T23:16:26 < jadew> lol 2016-10-11T23:16:51 < LeelooMinai> At about 4.45 2016-10-11T23:19:37 < Steffanx> like this drawing at ~2.20 too 2016-10-11T23:20:01 < Steffanx> i wonder how well one can train at doing that without the cut. 2016-10-11T23:20:14 < jadew> impossible most likely 2016-10-11T23:21:09 < jadew> I like those guys that don't have the filter which drops a lot of the information we receive 2016-10-11T23:21:16 < jadew> so they remember everything 2016-10-11T23:21:42 < jadew> or perceive images in much higher detail 2016-10-11T23:21:43 < LeelooMinai> Then they win those tv shows where they ask questions... 2016-10-11T23:22:28 < jadew> but for some reason they don't get to be very smart 2016-10-11T23:22:42 < LeelooMinai> Like a HD is not:p 2016-10-11T23:23:46 < LeelooMinai> They cut the connection in his brain to prevent seasures. 2016-10-11T23:23:51 < LeelooMinai> seizures? 2016-10-11T23:24:03 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-11T23:24:11 < Steffanx> lol LeelooMinai. 2016-10-11T23:24:16 < LeelooMinai> Seems it worked, but, well... 2016-10-11T23:24:24 < Steffanx> you disappointed Ultrasauce. 2016-10-11T23:24:35 < jadew> I wonder if they did an IQ test before and after 2016-10-11T23:27:36 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-11T23:27:42 < jadew> I guess the right hemisphere hears and reasons on its own, but may not realize that it can't talk 2016-10-11T23:27:42 < Steffanx> and a nice video it was LeelooMinai. 2016-10-11T23:27:53 < jadew> because when he talks, it thinks it was it 2016-10-11T23:27:59 < jadew> (the right hemisphere that did it) 2016-10-11T23:28:05 < jadew> or it's simply used to not do it 2016-10-11T23:28:08 < Steffanx> "not realize that it can't talk" that sounds so funny 2016-10-11T23:28:13 < jadew> and take input from the ears directly 2016-10-11T23:28:43 < Steffanx> Like those people that talk and talk, but what they say makes no sense. Not sure how that disorder is called, but there are nice videos about it. 2016-10-11T23:28:56 < jadew> being stupid 2016-10-11T23:28:59 < Steffanx> No no. 2016-10-11T23:29:09 < LeelooMinai> Like Trump? :) 2016-10-11T23:29:20 < LeelooMinai> Trumpism then maybe 2016-10-11T23:29:48 < jadew> Steffanx, didn't know there's a disorder that does this, but it might be related 2016-10-11T23:29:53 < Steffanx> No, noo this is real. Also some brain damage-ish disorder. 2016-10-11T23:30:14 < LeelooMinai> Yes, when you say words and they come out differently. 2016-10-11T23:30:18 < Steffanx> They think they have normal conversations, but in fact they dont make sense at all. 2016-10-11T23:30:42 < jadew> I think I heard about it, can they write properly tho? 2016-10-11T23:30:47 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.219.167] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-11T23:30:57 < Steffanx> And then you have different types of these things. One just talks gibberish while others say random words. 2016-10-11T23:31:00 < Steffanx> let me google the vids. 2016-10-11T23:31:12 < LeelooMinai> I think it's called aphasia 2016-10-11T23:32:01 < Steffanx> Had it during some course i followed ages ago, but .. cant remember 2016-10-11T23:32:05 < LeelooMinai> And in particular "fluent aphasia" it seems 2016-10-11T23:32:56 < PaulFertser> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophasia ? 2016-10-11T23:33:05 < LeelooMinai> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oef68YabD0 2016-10-11T23:33:08 < Steffanx> Yeah, thats one of them. Especially "fluent aphasia" is "funny" 2016-10-11T23:33:29 < Steffanx> "Im happy are you pretty" The gramer is perfect, it just makes no sense. 2016-10-11T23:33:32 < Steffanx> *grammar 2016-10-11T23:35:02 < jadew> wow 2016-10-11T23:35:06 < Steffanx> no, not that PaulFertser :P 2016-10-11T23:36:44 < jadew> "I hope the world lasts for you" 2016-10-11T23:37:23 < LeelooMinai> Well, if someone did not know English ans listened to him, there would be no clue he has any problem. 2016-10-11T23:37:55 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-11T23:38:13 < jadew> so I guess he can still be a tourist in france 2016-10-11T23:38:45 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but not a translator:) 2016-10-11T23:39:26 < Steffanx> I bet his french would be better than mine. 2016-10-11T23:39:42 < jadew> I wouldn't be able to tell the difference 2016-10-11T23:39:57 < Steffanx> Je ne parle pas français :) 2016-10-11T23:40:16 < jadew> I know that one too 2016-10-11T23:40:24 < jadew> and "Do you speak english?" 2016-10-11T23:40:32 < Steffanx> I only remember the useless things. Like how to order potatoes, peaches etc. 2016-10-11T23:41:02 < jadew> I might understand some of it in writing 2016-10-11T23:41:13 < jadew> can't follow speech tho 2016-10-11T23:41:43 < jadew> that's what 10 years of french classes for 2 hours / week gets you 2016-10-11T23:42:15 < jadew> I know salute 2016-10-11T23:42:24 < jadew> first french word I ever learned 2016-10-11T23:42:35 < LeelooMinai> I can count to ten in French and that's all:) 2016-10-11T23:43:12 < jadew> I can count to 5 but I'm not sure the 5 is in french or deutch 2016-10-11T23:43:52 < LeelooMinai> if it sounds like "sunk", it's French:) 2016-10-11T23:44:33 < jadew> oh, your right 2016-10-11T23:44:35 < jadew> it sounded like funf 2016-10-11T23:46:23 < kakimir> I wonder if placing amplifier circuits under or near tranformer 2016-10-11T23:46:51 < LeelooMinai> ... is a good idea - no 2016-10-11T23:47:38 < kakimir> causes magnectic coupling of noise to amplifier circuit 2016-10-11T23:48:37 < kakimir> or anything 2016-10-11T23:48:56 < kakimir> shouldn't magnetic field be mainly contained in transformer core? 2016-10-11T23:49:14 < jadew> it should 2016-10-11T23:49:30 < jadew> also, the effect it will have on the trace is probably going to very low 2016-10-11T23:49:55 < LeelooMinai> But in practice isn't. Audi people use toroid transformers often - it is better at containing the fields. 2016-10-11T23:50:02 < LeelooMinai> Audio* 2016-10-11T23:50:47 < jadew> I never had a good grip on transformers 2016-10-11T23:50:57 < jadew> I intend to fix that sometime 2016-10-11T23:51:01 < LeelooMinai> Traces are one thing, but there's a lot of components that can pick up the noise this way - any inductor for sure. 2016-10-11T23:51:02 < BrainDamage> audio people also omit regulation and use 1F cap bank, they aren't exactly well known for their sanity, but it's true about the toroidal 2016-10-11T23:51:42 < LeelooMinai> Right, I was talking about the real audio people, not audiphiles:) 2016-10-11T23:51:47 < jadew> are there any rules of thumb regarding the field around a transformer? 2016-10-11T23:52:21 < jadew> that's something worth looking into 2016-10-11T23:52:36 < BrainDamage> apart "don't put shit parallel to the main field axis" ? 2016-10-11T23:52:52 < LeelooMinai> BrainDamage: I hope you did not watch any of the videos above, considering your nick - could get scared:) 2016-10-11T23:54:11 < Steffanx> His nick has nothing to do with brain damage. 2016-10-11T23:54:44 < LeelooMinai> I think I will break my rule of unsing full words and use PinSpec instead of PinSpecification - a hard battle between reason and OCD:/ 2016-10-11T23:55:15 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: How do you know... 2016-10-11T23:57:03 < Steffanx> He often said that. 2016-10-11T23:57:21 < LeelooMinai> Maybe he did not tell the truth... 2016-10-11T23:57:49 < Steffanx> But i think it was more like: "i dont have brain damage, it is just a nick" 2016-10-11T23:59:33 < LeelooMinai> I am looking at the tip of those ceramic tweezers I got, and I wonder what exactly is that made of... It's kind of shiny/smooth --- Day changed Wed Oct 12 2016 2016-10-12T00:00:18 < jadew> pics? 2016-10-12T00:01:31 < LeelooMinai> There's tons of them on Ali, and some seem to have white ceramic part, and some dark - mine have graphite color, like thise: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Anti-static-Ceramic-Tweezer-Electronic-Cigarette-Resistance-Wire-DIY-Tool-Heat-Resistant-Interchangeable-Head-Pointed-Tip/32554406969.html? 2016-10-12T00:01:48 < kakimir> braindamage refers to BrainDamages wrestling carreer 2016-10-12T00:02:18 < kakimir> if you don't remember 2016-10-12T00:02:41 < LeelooMinai> Professional wrestler gone IRC? 2016-10-12T00:03:07 < jadew> LeelooMinai, very nice 2016-10-12T00:03:29 < jadew> they look smooth 2016-10-12T00:03:46 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: true he codes stm32 and ircs on his free time 2016-10-12T00:04:09 < LeelooMinai> There look kind of cool RL - bought them for rework with air, since they do not conduct heat 2016-10-12T00:04:38 < LeelooMinai> Or so they claim:) 2016-10-12T00:05:01 < LeelooMinai> Also, don't conduct electricity. 2016-10-12T00:05:15 < LeelooMinai> And are non-magnetic 2016-10-12T00:05:53 < jadew> they have white ones too? 2016-10-12T00:06:24 < LeelooMinai> I am not 100% sure about this, but I seem to get magnetic effect with some smd passives - they get stuck to metal tweezers - pita. 2016-10-12T00:06:40 < LeelooMinai> On picures... I got black ones, but I did not select any color. 2016-10-12T00:10:47 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2603:3023:50a:4600:1daf:bf63:32b3:5c19] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T00:12:02 < jadew> those are the ones you got? most of them seem to be cheaper 2016-10-12T00:12:25 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, let me see 2016-10-12T00:13:39 < LeelooMinai> Right, being a cheap-ass I got those: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Anti-static-Ceramic-Tweezer-Electronic-Cigarette-Resistance-Wire-DIY-Tool-Heat-Resistant-Interchangeable-Head-Pointed-Tip/32691881501.html 2016-10-12T00:14:36 < LeelooMinai> They are packed as "Vetus" and pretend to be made in Switzerland, but that's probably a lie 2016-10-12T00:15:16 < LeelooMinai> But seem to be ok - probably worth that price 2016-10-12T00:15:20 < jadew> I think I'll get the expensive ones: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-Heat-Resistant-Stainless-Steel-Ceramic-Tweezers-Pointed-Tip-For-Coils/32661273600.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000014.4.UhxGtK&scm=1007.13338.50051.0&pvid=71ce165b-66f2-4025-aebf-bb0b12b0949d&tpp=1 2016-10-12T00:15:29 < LeelooMinai> lol 2016-10-12T00:15:44 < LeelooMinai> "he must be rich" 2016-10-12T00:15:54 < jadew> haha 2016-10-12T00:16:21 < karlp> found another cheap "moar anchor" micro usb connector. 2016-10-12T00:16:21 < karlp> http://www.ebay.com/itm/181396498298?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT 2016-10-12T00:16:27 < kakimir> have antiflux ones 2016-10-12T00:16:28 < karlp> but no idea where it's sourced from 2016-10-12T00:16:52 < LeelooMinai> I think from there: ---> 2016-10-12T00:16:53 < jadew> kakimir, is there such a thing? 2016-10-12T00:17:11 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T00:19:22 < kakimir> tell me when there is 2016-10-12T00:19:48 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-12T00:19:52 < LeelooMinai> Anti-flux usb connector? 2016-10-12T00:20:24 < jadew> acetone dripping tweezers 2016-10-12T00:27:21 < jadew> looks like they're giving up on Alipay 2016-10-12T00:31:15 < kakimir> why? 2016-10-12T00:31:54 < jadew> didn't say, it was a notice on the checkout page 2016-10-12T00:33:29 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-12T00:38:01 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-12T00:40:37 < jadew> "Dear Customer, we regret to inform you that due to business adjustments, the Alipay balance service will be terminated from January 1, 2017 (PDT). Please use up your remaining balance as soon as possible. Click here to find more details" 2016-10-12T00:41:28 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, for years I just used CC. What was Alipay about? 2016-10-12T00:43:28 < jadew> some sort of prepaid wallet thingie I think 2016-10-12T00:43:30 < jadew> I used CC too 2016-10-12T00:46:54 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@parabox.it-syndikat.org] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T00:57:37 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-12T01:01:32 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ad914.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-12T01:02:50 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T01:04:23 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2016-10-12T01:05:17 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T01:15:13 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2603:3023:50a:4600:1daf:bf63:32b3:5c19] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-12T01:15:16 < Thorn> fuck HAL. direct register access -> 1/2 LOC and more readable 2016-10-12T01:25:29 < kakimir> ? 2016-10-12T01:26:50 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T01:32:11 -!- jedrek_ [~jedrek@178235042010.dynamic-ww-07.vectranet.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T01:43:17 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-12T01:43:49 < jedrek_> Hello, I'm trying to make USART work on my STM32 NUCLEO-F303K8 and communicate it with ESP8266 WLAN module. Unfortunately, it wasn't working so for debug I changed the TX and RX pins to these (I suppose) on USB virtual COM interface. Even now I can't see any data sent via serial. What am I doing wrong? Here's my code, I'm using Keil: http://pastebin.com/mLzckK6Q 2016-10-12T01:45:08 < LeelooMinai> It's a HAL of Shame 2016-10-12T01:45:48 -!- c4017__ [~c4017@node-1w7jr9qihf28vvcq8bw7hfki7.ipv6.telus.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T01:47:20 < LeelooMinai> But, one has to consider that they have some tough goals to fulfill: has to work on huge number of micros and for huge number of environments and for a lot of people. 2016-10-12T01:47:50 < LeelooMinai> So, I guess it has to be ugly a bit:/ 2016-10-12T01:49:33 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2016-10-12T01:49:37 -!- c4017_ [~c4017@node-1w7jr9qihf28tvl2s2mihvw3f.ipv6.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-12T02:07:10 < jedrek_> anybody? 2016-10-12T02:07:35 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@bas2-toronto26-2925094024.dsl.bell.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T02:12:30 < Thorn> jedrek: I'm probably missing somwething but I opened your MCU (303K8T6, correct?) in Cube and it has no GPIOC at all 2016-10-12T02:12:39 < Thorn> jedrek_: ^^ 2016-10-12T02:15:03 < jedrek_> hmm, I'm quite new to STM32... maybe you're right! I read some STM docs and pin descriptions and I wasn't sure which GPIO is connected to USB 2016-10-12T02:15:31 < Thorn> is there a manual for your NUCLEO with schematics? that's where you need to look 2016-10-12T02:15:32 < jedrek_> yes, it's 303K8T6 2016-10-12T02:16:58 < jedrek_> yeah, I have 1145-page one :P but I'm trying to acquire this knowledge 2016-10-12T02:17:47 < Thorn> I don't mean the stm32 family reference manual 2016-10-12T02:18:10 < Thorn> unless your nucleo board comes with its own 1145-page manual 2016-10-12T02:20:50 < jedrek_> I've also found 121-page datasheet - it may be more useful 2016-10-12T02:21:54 < jedrek_> but neither of them tell which pin is used in USB Serial converter 2016-10-12T02:21:55 < Thorn> it won't have board schematics either 2016-10-12T02:22:08 < Thorn> because they can't know that 2016-10-12T02:22:16 < jedrek_> i supposed it was PC, but you're right - my board doesn't have GPIOC 2016-10-12T02:23:59 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T02:24:26 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37616160 2016-10-12T02:27:49 < Laurenceb_> dude I linked that yesterday 2016-10-12T02:28:00 < Rob235> http://pastebin.com/i0VbQ967 ..... Why does dma_buffer[] never update? 2016-10-12T02:29:15 < Laurenceb_> englishman: https://twitter.com/realpeerreview 2016-10-12T02:30:02 < jedrek_> Thorn, ok, I've found the board schematics - is VCP what I'm looking for? 2016-10-12T02:31:11 < Laurenceb_> irony defined: http://fap.sagepub.com/ 2016-10-12T02:32:29 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: Do you have the last month issue? 2016-10-12T02:33:36 < Thorn> jedrek_: you probably need section 6.9 in http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/user_manual/e3/0e/88/05/e8/74/43/a0/DM00231744.pdf/files/DM00231744.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00231744.pdf 2016-10-12T02:35:43 < jedrek_> thanks! so bridges are on by default and I should use PA2 for TX and PA15 for RX - I'll try to do it in a moment 2016-10-12T02:38:22 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T02:40:39 < stvn> ffffffucken ell mate 2016-10-12T02:45:26 < jedrek_> I still get nothing :( 2016-10-12T02:45:30 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T02:45:48 < jedrek_> maybe some settings are wrong? 2016-10-12T02:46:37 < aandrew> hahaha 2016-10-12T02:46:44 < aandrew> rossman talking about fiber and shitting now 2016-10-12T02:46:46 < aandrew> LOL 2016-10-12T02:46:51 < aandrew> I like this dude 2016-10-12T02:47:08 < stvn> lol 2016-10-12T02:47:52 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/TABgfsryt8s?t=22m43s 2016-10-12T02:48:40 < stvn> happens when you repair apple computers 2016-10-12T02:49:47 < stvn> the old shunt-shunt feedback 2016-10-12T02:50:34 < stvn> +paddle the cat 2016-10-12T02:53:30 < stvn> good vids 2016-10-12T02:56:44 -!- c4017_ [~c4017@node-1w7jr9qihf28vvcq8bw7hfki7.ipv6.telus.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T02:58:03 -!- c4017_ [~c4017@node-1w7jr9qihf28vvcq8bw7hfki7.ipv6.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-12T02:59:28 -!- c4017__ [~c4017@node-1w7jr9qihf28vvcq8bw7hfki7.ipv6.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 2016-10-12T02:59:38 -!- c4017 [~c4017@node-1w7jr9qihf28vvcq8bw7hfki7.ipv6.telus.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T03:00:38 < LeelooMinai> Any idea why in the HAL, when enabling GPIO clocks, they do this: http://i.imgur.com/OoaxD38.png ? 2016-10-12T03:01:16 < LeelooMinai> The docs state that there's 2 clock delay, so, couldn't they just, say, use 2 NOP's there or something? 2016-10-12T03:01:54 < Thorn> two clocks of which clock 2016-10-12T03:02:05 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-xhgqqeqpbkjvzexc] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-12T03:02:12 < Thorn> ahp, apb etc. 2016-10-12T03:02:45 < LeelooMinai> Well, I think they mean CPU clock, but there's only that: "The enable bit has a synchronization mechanism to create a glitch free clock for the peripheral. After the enable bit is set, there is a 2 clock cycles delay before the clock be active." 2016-10-12T03:02:46 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-nkxzpffiztrtmpgm] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T03:03:19 -!- errebino [~rbino@rbino.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-12T03:04:21 < Thorn> I doubt GPIO knows anything about the cpu clock 2016-10-12T03:04:58 < LeelooMinai> When you set this bit, obviously you do this from the clock domain. Then it's synchronized into the GPIO one. 2016-10-12T03:05:09 < LeelooMinai> So both sides are involved. 2016-10-12T03:06:00 -!- rbino [~rbino@rbino.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T03:07:41 < LeelooMinai> Looking at the clock tree, there's a prescaler between SYSCLK and HCLK -> AHB bus 2016-10-12T03:08:11 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, so maybe that read is to ensure 2 cycles on the AHB2 bus. 2016-10-12T03:08:51 < LeelooMinai> I guess I better use this in my code too. 2016-10-12T03:09:34 < Thorn> I don't think it really matters unless bus transfers are being reordered 2016-10-12T03:10:06 < LeelooMinai> It may be there in the case you access the bus immediatelly after this macro (?) 2016-10-12T03:10:19 < Thorn> maybe if you read gpio immediately 2016-10-12T03:10:36 < LeelooMinai> Right, kind of unlikely, but ok. 2016-10-12T03:10:53 < Thorn> I seem to recall AHB transfers take 2 clocks 2016-10-12T03:11:15 < Thorn> (non-burst) 2016-10-12T03:12:31 < LeelooMinai> So, anyone has written own hal-like layer for stm32 for own use? 2016-10-12T03:13:01 < LeelooMinai> I wonder how people go about the whole RCC business. 2016-10-12T03:14:07 < Thorn> any such project would not be comprehensive 2016-10-12T03:14:26 < Thorn> it would contain only what the author needed 2016-10-12T03:14:32 < LeelooMinai> RIght, I do not plan make some kind of behemoth HAL. 2016-10-12T03:14:52 < LeelooMinai> Just features for this project and for each next one, if I need something, I will add it. 2016-10-12T03:15:05 < LeelooMinai> But one has to deal with RCC in every project pretty much. 2016-10-12T03:15:12 -!- Lt_Lemming [~Lt_Lemmin@128.199.211.147] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T03:15:33 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-12T03:16:13 < LeelooMinai> Looking at the clock tree view in CubeMX, well, not sure if something smart can be done in code. 2016-10-12T03:17:12 < Thorn> I guess rcc is a good place to just use cube-generated code 2016-10-12T03:18:06 < LeelooMinai> The problem is it uses all the crap HAL includes. 2016-10-12T03:18:26 < LeelooMinai> So would need to have those in the code and I would rather not:) 2016-10-12T03:18:46 < LeelooMinai> I just use CMSIS header. 2016-10-12T03:20:25 < Thorn> holy cow my dac/dma/timer code that uses registers worked the first time 2016-10-12T03:20:30 -!- c4017 [~c4017@node-1w7jr9qihf28vvcq8bw7hfki7.ipv6.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-12T03:20:45 < stvn> LeelooMinai, i'm sure plenty have under some other paid work 2016-10-12T03:21:07 -!- c4017 [~c4017@node-1w7jr9qihf28vvcq8bw7hfki7.ipv6.telus.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T03:21:07 < stvn> IP nobody will see a public release of 2016-10-12T03:21:10 < jedrek_> ok, something showed up on my terminal - I got some dots when UART was initialized - can you help me with setting the GPIO properly? 2016-10-12T03:21:51 < jedrek_> I read in some tutorials that GPIO_PuPD should be set to push up 2016-10-12T03:22:06 < LeelooMinai> Right, I guess I will code something minimal that works and maybe it will evolve eventually, or not. 2016-10-12T03:22:09 -!- c4017 [~c4017@node-1w7jr9qihf28vvcq8bw7hfki7.ipv6.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-12T03:22:37 < jedrek_> but I got only signs of communication (dots) when I set it to pull down 2016-10-12T03:22:57 -!- c4017 [~c4017@node-1w7jr9qihf28vvcq8bw7hfki7.ipv6.telus.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T03:25:11 < Thorn> jedrek_: got any test equipment? such as an oscilloscope 2016-10-12T03:25:38 < LeelooMinai> He wants LA - $10 investement. 2016-10-12T03:25:44 < jedrek_> my current code: http://pastebin.com/bHgrf2ik 2016-10-12T03:25:52 < LeelooMinai> jedrek_: Do you have LA? 2016-10-12T03:26:02 < jedrek_> Thorn, not really - right now I have only 2 LEDs connected to board 2016-10-12T03:26:45 < jedrek_> maybe it's silly to ask here, but what's LA? 2016-10-12T03:26:57 < LeelooMinai> jedrek_: Masz dziwnie polskie imie:p 2016-10-12T03:27:04 < Thorn> ok I got a sine wave. time to rewatch that DDS lecture 2016-10-12T03:27:36 < LeelooMinai> jedrek_: LA = Logic Analyzer. If you are work like that, you really want it. 2016-10-12T03:27:46 < LeelooMinai> are doing* 2016-10-12T03:28:19 < jedrek_> LeelooMinai, eee, nie takie dziwne :P 2016-10-12T03:28:45 < jedrek_> I'm pretty sure I would have to buy one soon 2016-10-12T03:28:48 < LeelooMinai> jedrek_: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1sets-New-Arrival-USB-Logic-Analyze-24M-8CH-MCU-ARM-FPGA-DSP-debug-tool/32246802326.html <- no-brainer to buy it 2016-10-12T03:30:12 < LeelooMinai> jedrek, then you will be able to see SPI, I2C, UART, etc. communication like this: https://d1plq11itmgook.cloudfront.net/Content/Video/Software/Protocols.mp4?v=2b7713f8-3d3d-422b-9db8-c5c3f294e6ec 2016-10-12T03:30:12 < Thorn> anyway if you see some characters transmitted then you probably just need to set correct baud rate 2016-10-12T03:31:51 < jedrek_> LeelooMinai, nice, I'm ordering one! 2016-10-12T03:32:14 < Laurenceb_> Trump makes Mexico build the wall 2016-10-12T03:32:19 < Laurenceb_> one small problem 2016-10-12T03:32:25 < LeelooMinai> Again? 2016-10-12T03:32:28 < jedrek_> Thorn, but it's quite strange because I see this dot just after init, and when I'm trying to send some data nothing shows up 2016-10-12T03:32:29 < Laurenceb_> they build it on their southern border 2016-10-12T03:33:19 < Laurenceb_> all the Poland Balls were evicted due to Brexit 2016-10-12T03:35:36 < LeelooMinai> I had to google what a polandball is - not current with all weird internet memes, I guess:p 2016-10-12T03:35:56 < jadew> and what is it? 2016-10-12T03:35:59 < Laurenceb_> dude lurn 2 internets 2016-10-12T03:36:05 < Laurenceb_> there is even a polandball wiki 2016-10-12T03:36:31 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Seems it'a a ball with flag on top of it to represent a country "person" in comics ... 2016-10-12T03:36:32 < Thorn> one small problem with the sine wave http://imgur.com/WlzzPPI 2016-10-12T03:36:49 < Laurenceb_> http://polandball.wikia.com/wiki/Polandball_Wiki 2016-10-12T03:37:14 < jadew> Thorn, what's the problem? 2016-10-12T03:37:21 < Laurenceb_> lul polandball users vote for Trump 2016-10-12T03:37:27 < jadew> lol @ the mouse 2016-10-12T03:37:33 < LeelooMinai> Not sure why they use Indonesia flag instead of Polish there, but hey, maybe I should not be picky:p 2016-10-12T03:38:53 < Thorn> jadew: it's not 0-referenced 2016-10-12T03:39:05 < jadew> hehe 2016-10-12T03:39:05 < Thorn> ~5 years ago I even drew a few polandball comics lol 2016-10-12T03:39:39 < jadew> why is that a thing? 2016-10-12T03:41:12 < jadew> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-itroIFhKQUc/UQZDPl4FBXI/AAAAAAAALj8/jxEYzsJvTNo/s1600/moderation.jpg 2016-10-12T03:46:17 -!- PaulFertser [paul@2001:470:26:54b:260:98ff:feef:cb79] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-12T03:46:25 -!- PaulFertser [paul@2001:470:26:54b:260:98ff:feef:cb79] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T03:48:07 < stvn> jadew, it just is 2016-10-12T03:49:09 < jadew> memes are like mockery for painters 2016-10-12T03:50:06 < jadew> they strive to become popular but it never happens, no matter how good they are, yet some garbage drawing with the mouse gets more attention than they could ever hope for 2016-10-12T03:50:33 < jadew> that's the only thing I like about memes 2016-10-12T03:51:00 < Thorn> http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/095/996/100.png 2016-10-12T03:52:21 < LeelooMinai> Does the French train haver "Surrender" as the name?... 2016-10-12T03:52:50 < stvn> dolans n shit 2016-10-12T03:53:53 < LeelooMinai> I would suggest buying one of those drawing tablets though:) 2016-10-12T03:54:31 < stvn> yeah me and my friend purchased one, got drunk and made an animation of his dog screaming 2016-10-12T03:55:00 < stvn> best $200 ever spent 2016-10-12T03:55:18 < stvn> wacom mate 2016-10-12T03:56:03 < jadew> I have one too, but who needs that when you can get a tablet with pen input 2016-10-12T03:56:36 < LeelooMinai> Or a pen with tablet input. 2016-10-12T03:56:40 < jadew> then you realize that's just as useless, so you go back to the whiteboard 2016-10-12T03:57:30 < LeelooMinai> Or even better, you realize you are not an artist and go back to autistic code typing:p 2016-10-12T03:57:44 < stvn> yeah autism 2damax 2016-10-12T03:58:12 < Thorn> http://imgur.com/cUnFREq 2016-10-12T03:58:15 < jadew> hehe 2016-10-12T03:58:49 < stvn> i see you like to oscilloscope 2016-10-12T03:58:50 < jadew> Thorn, cap, or proper shifting? 2016-10-12T03:58:51 < LeelooMinai> Thron: It's a wave... What are you doing htere? 2016-10-12T03:58:57 < Thorn> LeelooMinai: http://i.imgur.com/8bjQ9Br.png 2016-10-12T03:59:06 < Thorn> I think it's a reference to this ^^ 2016-10-12T03:59:29 < Thorn> jadew: a wild capacitor appears 2016-10-12T04:00:02 < jadew> what are you doing anyway? trying to make your own DDS? 2016-10-12T04:00:27 < Thorn> trying to justify not spending $500 for a real one I guess lol 2016-10-12T04:00:31 < Thorn> and learn DMA 2016-10-12T04:00:39 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MWvlp5Hidc 2016-10-12T04:00:50 < jadew> yeah, I've been there too 2016-10-12T04:00:54 < LeelooMinai> Well, if DYI, I would use one of those Analog Devices DDS ics. 2016-10-12T04:00:54 < jadew> it'll cost you more 2016-10-12T04:01:10 < stvn> just do an eevblog review and make your $500 back 2016-10-12T04:01:12 < jadew> in time spent + development 2016-10-12T04:01:59 -!- aadamson [aadamson@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:2dc9] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-12T04:02:19 < stvn> i got a warning for you from bald man sonetti 2016-10-12T04:03:34 < Thorn> I don't think you can make stm32 DAC output negative voltages at all 2016-10-12T04:04:03 < LeelooMinai> That's a safe bet I would say:p 2016-10-12T04:04:03 < stvn> found dongs - https://youtu.be/8MWvlp5Hidc?t=1m4s 2016-10-12T04:04:54 < stvn> youd want to external dac anyway 2016-10-12T04:08:24 < jadew> found that movie again 2016-10-12T04:08:28 < jadew> NSFW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RMNHJ-phhc#t=1h11m55s 2016-10-12T04:08:41 -!- aadamson [aadamson@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:2dc9] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T04:08:45 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T04:08:49 < stvn> *click 2016-10-12T04:08:54 < jadew> what language is that? I should probably learn it 2016-10-12T04:09:17 < stvn> goin' the growl mate 2016-10-12T04:09:25 < stvn> korean 2016-10-12T04:09:54 < jadew> lmfao 2016-10-12T04:10:15 < jadew> I was at a scene where they were moaning and because it isn't porn, I didn't mute it 2016-10-12T04:10:45 < jadew> at that right moment my kid and my wife passed by my door 2016-10-12T04:10:45 < stvn> i see 2016-10-12T04:10:59 < stvn> but look at those big asian titties 2016-10-12T04:12:06 < jadew> I straighten it up, I went to her and told her I wasn't watching porn 2016-10-12T04:13:37 < stvn> rooooooooooooofl 2016-10-12T04:13:43 < stvn> nice one 2016-10-12T04:14:07 < jadew> she said she didn't even hear it 2016-10-12T04:14:14 < stvn> walk in with this bulge in your pants 2016-10-12T04:14:24 < stvn> yeah nah mate 2016-10-12T04:14:43 < jadew> well, that's why I had to act fast, so it didn't seem like I waited it out 2016-10-12T04:14:43 < Thorn> it seems to be glitching every few minutes 2016-10-12T04:18:51 < Thorn> oh well the solderless breadboard strikes again 2016-10-12T04:28:27 < LeelooMinai> Stopped using those years ago. 2016-10-12T04:28:51 < LeelooMinai> I don't find them very useful for my projects - I have to make a proper pcb anyways. 2016-10-12T04:29:33 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-12T04:30:07 < stvn> yah pcb cheep cheep now too 2016-10-12T04:31:02 < stvn> i know a hobbyist or two who are happy enough to fork out for 4-layer shitz 2016-10-12T04:31:46 < LeelooMinai> Well, my recent board was 4-layer, ENIG - forked whole $7.5 for 3 of them:p 2016-10-12T04:32:17 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, maybe I lied... let me see. 2016-10-12T04:32:53 < LeelooMinai> I lied:( It was $18 2016-10-12T04:33:26 < LeelooMinai> But still - if the board is small, it's not expensive even for a hobbyist. 2016-10-12T04:33:26 < stvn> yeah last thing i got was like $400 2016-10-12T04:33:31 < stvn> but not small 2016-10-12T04:34:13 < stvn> what was the size of this board LeelooMinai 2016-10-12T04:34:44 < LeelooMinai> It had weird half-circle shape - think half a circle with a diameter of 5cm. 2016-10-12T04:35:00 < stvn> i see 2016-10-12T04:35:07 < LeelooMinai> stvn: It's this one: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/28403394320 2016-10-12T04:35:29 < LeelooMinai> So, 3 of those sub $20 - it's not a tragedy:) 2016-10-12T04:35:52 < LeelooMinai> Considering that I am writing firmware for it + yaks for months now... 2016-10-12T04:36:01 < Thorn> oshpark? 2016-10-12T04:36:08 < LeelooMinai> Right, oshpark 2016-10-12T04:36:26 < stvn> yah, stm32 on there 2016-10-12T04:36:30 < stvn> good choice 2016-10-12T04:36:36 < LeelooMinai> My plan with oshpark is - choose tiniest compoenents there are, make tinies board possible, pay less:) 2016-10-12T04:36:49 < stvn> i see 2016-10-12T04:37:24 < LeelooMinai> This one was $11: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/18841271701 2016-10-12T04:37:45 < LeelooMinai> It's also 4 layer. 2016-10-12T04:38:06 < LeelooMinai> And guess what is this ic under the nail there? 2016-10-12T04:38:20 < LeelooMinai> It is 2.5x2.5mmm 2016-10-12T04:38:55 < LeelooMinai> +1 point who guess the type of IC it is:p 2016-10-12T04:42:03 < Thorn> what's next to it, a mems? 2016-10-12T04:42:15 < LeelooMinai> MEMS oscillator 2016-10-12T04:46:19 < aandrew> shared to the other chan, but once I figured out to violate my top layer (red) horizontal routing rule the STM32F7 connections all started to fall into place 2016-10-12T04:46:22 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/exqbE 2016-10-12T04:49:03 < aandrew> #hackvana 2016-10-12T04:53:55 < stvn> keep pumpin crt 2016-10-12T04:55:14 < ReadErr> no 2016-10-12T04:58:19 < stvn> aandrew, what is that 2016-10-12T05:01:44 < aandrew> motor/microphone/BLE for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgEmuaCiHxY 2016-10-12T05:03:00 < stvn> cool 2016-10-12T05:04:30 < stvn> dunno what the BLE part means tbh but stil 2016-10-12T05:04:53 < stvn> blutooth? 2016-10-12T05:05:25 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-12T05:05:29 < jadew> that's a nice project 2016-10-12T05:06:28 < jadew> how much will it be able to carry? 2016-10-12T05:07:16 < jadew> ToyFair tho? 2016-10-12T05:08:19 < aandrew> nothing 2016-10-12T05:08:22 < aandrew> it's not for carrying anything 2016-10-12T05:08:39 < aandrew> it's an experimental prototype for testing new tech and they'll make money buy selling to anyone who will buy one 2016-10-12T05:09:44 < jadew> it says in the video that it's load carrying 2016-10-12T05:10:25 < aandrew> it will be load carrying the same way their mip project was 2016-10-12T05:10:27 < aandrew> not in any useful way 2016-10-12T05:19:21 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-12T05:24:17 < upgrdman> wow, fail. wondering what was causing my opengl memory leak. almost 2GB per second. was allocating a new framebuffer every frame in display() instead of once in init() 2016-10-12T05:25:12 < upgrdman> gotta say tho. gtx1080 did a good job of hiding my stupidity. but intel sphinctre graphics pro was crippled within seconds. 2016-10-12T05:30:42 < aandrew> down to 162 routes 2016-10-12T05:30:55 < aandrew> haha 2016-10-12T05:30:58 < aandrew> that's a big fucking leak 2016-10-12T05:35:25 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-12T05:36:54 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Congrats - you made a GPU memory blinker. 2016-10-12T05:37:19 < upgrdman> pretty much 2016-10-12T05:37:47 < LeelooMinai> You can sell it as GPU stress test for crypto miners. 2016-10-12T05:37:58 * upgrdman takes notes 2016-10-12T05:40:10 -!- _franck__ [527f6536@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.127.101.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-12T05:42:31 -!- jedrek_ [~jedrek@178235042010.dynamic-ww-07.vectranet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-12T05:47:15 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T05:58:08 -!- fenugrec [~R@24-50-113-108.dm.cgocable.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-12T06:00:30 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:d848:302f:a3d7:33e4] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T06:17:25 < upgrdman> https://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%81%AB%E3%82%83%E3%82%93%E3%81%9F%E3%81%BE-%E8%8A%B3%E6%BE%A4-%E3%83%AB%E3%83%9F%E5%AD%90/dp/4426120993/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1476194890 2016-10-12T06:19:44 < stvn> bing bing bing bing 2016-10-12T06:35:57 -!- aadamson [aadamson@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:2dc9] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-12T06:36:53 -!- aadamson [aadamson@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:2dc9] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T07:16:55 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ0jCMFQN2s 2016-10-12T07:19:39 < aandrew> 145 routes 2016-10-12T07:28:38 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T07:37:53 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-12T07:38:17 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T07:38:50 < upgrdman> dat look after he gets tazed, lol, like "shit i give up" https://youtu.be/uXU4QKeE41Q?t=123 2016-10-12T07:41:04 -!- tonyarkl1s [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-12T07:41:32 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T07:44:26 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2016-10-12T07:44:58 < LeelooMinai> BS cops are BS 2016-10-12T07:46:27 < upgrdman> might be fewer BS cops if there were fewer BS people ;) 2016-10-12T07:46:42 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T07:46:54 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ad914.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T07:47:01 < LeelooMinai> I am not saying all of them, but in this video the cops are lame - typical US cops. 2016-10-12T07:48:00 < LeelooMinai> Eager to use violance, not very inteliggent, not trained properly - they only know one way and pply it to every situation. 2016-10-12T07:48:06 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU9_dUZfZro 2016-10-12T07:49:09 < LeelooMinai> stvn: You are racist and proud of it, aren't you:p 2016-10-12T07:50:19 < stvn> no i just like to rustle white knights 2016-10-12T07:50:25 < stvn> it's more fun than racism 2016-10-12T07:52:05 < LeelooMinai> By posting links to racist youtube channels/videos? 2016-10-12T07:52:41 < stvn> the youtube moderation team delete racist content 2016-10-12T07:52:59 < LeelooMinai> lol... I guess they are not doing a good job then. 2016-10-12T07:53:36 < stvn> yeah you should start a twitter about it 2016-10-12T07:54:24 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T07:54:28 < LeelooMinai> stvn: I don't need a tweeter. I can tell you on IRC that you seem like some racist by posting those links. 2016-10-12T07:54:56 -!- elektrinis [~circuit@unaffiliated/circuit] has quit [Quit: pokðt] 2016-10-12T07:56:37 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ad914.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-12T07:56:58 < stvn> yeah man, i just like was out in the garage and i was thinking it was too dark in here... fuck, you know what, maybe i am racist 2016-10-12T07:57:38 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-12T07:57:44 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-12T07:57:44 < LeelooMinai> No idea what you just wrote:) I am talking a simple issue of those links. 2016-10-12T08:00:07 < LeelooMinai> If he likes that, he could just say that he is racist, instead of pretending that not. 2016-10-12T08:00:24 < LeelooMinai> At least things would be clear. 2016-10-12T08:02:53 < upgrdman> wuts ilda 2016-10-12T08:03:40 < LeelooMinai> I'll Laser D'em All 2016-10-12T08:05:54 < stvn> ah fuck, the leakage probe is black (i'm testing appliances), the cd player is black, the fucking test machine is black 2016-10-12T08:06:01 < stvn> look what you've done to me LeelooMinai 2016-10-12T08:07:05 < LeelooMinai> stvn: Don't be an idiot:p You linked to a video of some guy with a confederate flag as the portrait making fun of black people... 2016-10-12T08:07:21 < stvn> you've red-pilled me 2016-10-12T08:07:57 -!- aadamson [aadamson@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:2dc9] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-12T08:08:01 < LeelooMinai> The cop video you could explain, but that other one was a fail:) 2016-10-12T08:08:29 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-12T08:09:06 < LeelooMinai> Right, sure, especially if it's the daily pattern - all the links are racist in one or another. 2016-10-12T08:09:12 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0aad5f.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T08:09:13 < LeelooMinai> one way* 2016-10-12T08:10:02 -!- aadamson [aadamson@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:2dc9] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T08:17:39 < aandrew> englishman: yep I love that saying 2016-10-12T08:17:48 < stvn> the cook 2016-10-12T08:18:04 < aandrew> 109 routes left 2016-10-12T08:18:42 < LeelooMinai> *Altium crashes again* 2016-10-12T08:19:01 < LeelooMinai> 564 routes left 2016-10-12T08:31:39 < LeelooMinai> Damn buggers - does not want to work inside constexpr's :/ 2016-10-12T08:32:06 < LeelooMinai> Had same problem with 2016-10-12T08:37:36 < stvn> yeah fk that, i just code in basic - http://www.mikroe.com/mikrobasic/arm/ 2016-10-12T08:41:07 < stvn> don't tell dongs on me 2016-10-12T08:49:54 < stvn> mmmkay 2016-10-12T08:50:24 < stvn> ohsix, just cool it with the anti-semitic remarks 2016-10-12T09:10:47 < jpa-> yay, snow 2016-10-12T09:11:13 < emeb_mac> Snow? In Finland? Amaze! 2016-10-12T09:19:16 < stvn> nice! 2016-10-12T09:31:10 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-12T09:38:49 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T09:44:48 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T09:44:53 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T09:47:06 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T09:53:09 -!- _franck__ [527f6536@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.127.101.54] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T10:12:01 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T10:18:07 < Steffanx> "Yay, snow" jpa-? Snow is hardly ever a reason to "yay" 2016-10-12T10:19:26 < jpa-> why not? 2016-10-12T10:20:38 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-12T10:24:07 < stvn> welcome back Steffanx 2016-10-12T10:25:14 < PaulFertser> Snow makes biking more dangerous -> snow sucks. 2016-10-12T10:26:24 < jpa-> haven't noticed much difference in danger when using studded tires 2016-10-12T10:26:29 < jpa-> snow makes things much brighter 2016-10-12T10:28:58 < PaulFertser> The car drivers are more dangerous because some of them just can't account for the fact it's more slippery in the winter. 2016-10-12T10:29:18 < PaulFertser> Also, studded bicycle tires are so expensive here, almost as a cheap car tire. 2016-10-12T10:29:32 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-12T10:30:04 < PaulFertser> And motorbiking during the winter is much more dangerous even if one manages to find proper studded tires for a motorbike. 2016-10-12T10:30:07 < PaulFertser> Snow sucks 2016-10-12T10:31:25 < Steffanx> :) 2016-10-12T10:32:00 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0aad5f.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2016-10-12T10:39:22 < stvn> ohsix, your msgs won't reach him 2016-10-12T10:48:05 -!- reportingsjr [~reporting@2604:a880:800:10::11e:d001] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 2016-10-12T10:54:52 < jpa-> PaulFertser: yeah, studded tires are somewhat expensive (close to 100 EUR for a pair of good ones) 2016-10-12T10:55:08 < jpa-> i'm lucky in that we have dedicated walk/bike paths to go nearly anywhere 2016-10-12T10:56:00 < jpa-> so only need to account for cars in crossings, and generally cars have right-of-way before bikes in crossings here 2016-10-12T10:57:57 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-12T11:06:36 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-12T11:06:37 -!- Jak_o_Shadows1 [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T11:07:06 < PaulFertser> I once saw a funny picture that compared combined bike/pedenstrians pathes to a tiny crowded "all-purpose" swimming pool with people doing all the things possible in a pool at the same time. Can't find it anywhere. 2016-10-12T11:07:33 < Ecco> Hey 2016-10-12T11:07:38 < Ecco> I'm having a weird issue in Altium 2016-10-12T11:07:44 < Ecco> I'm using an A4 template for schematics 2016-10-12T11:07:50 < Ecco> and it's not actually A4 2016-10-12T11:08:07 < Ecco> It's 292x193 whereas A4 should be 297x210 2016-10-12T11:08:21 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:d848:302f:a3d7:33e4] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-12T11:08:26 < Ecco> I guess it's not an error and that I'm missing something. But what? 2016-10-12T11:09:07 < jpa-> most printers cannot print right to the border 2016-10-12T11:09:17 < jpa-> so probably marging 2016-10-12T11:09:19 < jpa-> *margins 2016-10-12T11:10:01 < Ecco> Yeah, I'm not even printing 2016-10-12T11:10:11 < Ecco> I'm just outputting a PDF file and looking at the PDF's size 2016-10-12T11:11:04 < aandrew> http://gerblook.org/pcb/jfEiznAyhnGUPQKixMS37D 2016-10-12T11:11:18 < aandrew> routing's 99.9% done, just gotta do silk now and check check check 2016-10-12T11:11:39 < Ecco> Nice aandrew. What is it? 2016-10-12T11:12:22 < aandrew> motor board/synthesized microphone/BLE/gesturesense for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgEmuaCiHxY 2016-10-12T11:12:28 < Ecco> For some reason Altium says A4 is 1150x760mil 2016-10-12T11:12:45 < Ecco> when it's actually 1169x826 2016-10-12T11:13:13 < aandrew> Ecco: I've had odd issues with altium pdf printing, I usually end up just telling it to make that OutJob file hten looking at that file to make sure it's using the right size sheet 2016-10-12T11:13:18 < aandrew> not sure if that'll help you or not though 2016-10-12T11:14:20 < jpa-> Ecco: for example acrobat reader by default downsizes pdf's to fit within margins, even if they have all white margins already 2016-10-12T11:14:38 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/j641bGS.png 2016-10-12T11:14:39 < jpa-> so perhaps they just made it smaller so that pdf readers don't mess it up 2016-10-12T11:14:47 < Ecco> Actually it's got nothing to do with PDF 2016-10-12T11:14:51 < Ecco> Look at that screenshot 2016-10-12T11:15:02 < jpa-> of course the size is the same everywhere 2016-10-12T11:15:10 < Ecco> For some reason it says A4 is 292.1mm x 193.04mm 2016-10-12T11:15:12 < jpa-> doesn't mean that the reason couldn't be printer/pdf related 2016-10-12T11:15:36 < Ecco> Well here I'm just in Altium editing the sheet's size 2016-10-12T11:15:46 < Ecco> and it gives me a wrong size for the builtin A4 format 2016-10-12T11:16:06 < jpa-> it gives you a size that will fit nicely on A4 2016-10-12T11:16:38 < Ecco> I don't get it 2016-10-12T11:16:41 < Ecco> why not just A4 then? 2016-10-12T11:16:46 < Ecco> I mean the aspect ratio isn't even correct 2016-10-12T11:17:13 < jpa-> it the design was full A4 size, silly PDF readers etc. would resize it to fit within margins 2016-10-12T11:17:24 < jpa-> apparently they don't want that to occur so they make it a bit smaller 2016-10-12T11:17:33 < Ecco> hmm, ok. Stupid but ok :) 2016-10-12T11:17:38 < Ecco> thanks 2016-10-12T11:17:46 < jpa-> it works 2016-10-12T11:17:54 < Jak_o_Shadows1> I use sumatra pdf 2016-10-12T11:18:05 < Jak_o_Shadows1> Best one i've found. Evince is fairly rubbish. 2016-10-12T11:21:46 < Jak_o_Shadows1> It's a sight better than evince. Also better than the free version of acrobat 2016-10-12T11:22:11 < Jak_o_Shadows1> The acrobat UI is horrible. 2016-10-12T11:22:35 < Jak_o_Shadows1> evince is bad on windows 2016-10-12T11:26:05 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.88] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T11:26:41 < Jak_o_Shadows1> I'll try it next install 2016-10-12T11:27:53 < Jak_o_Shadows1> eh, laziness in changing 2016-10-12T11:32:10 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-12T11:33:00 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-12T11:33:11 < Steffanx> Jpa- this combined walk/bike paths in finland are weird 2016-10-12T11:33:21 < Steffanx> I couldnt get used to it 2016-10-12T11:34:02 < Steffanx> As in dutchland those are seperated and when no bike lane you go on the road (for cars) 2016-10-12T11:34:22 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T11:37:54 < stvn> hi Steffanx 2016-10-12T11:38:00 < jpa-> Steffanx: yeah, it's not perfect system; but better than biking on roads 2016-10-12T11:38:51 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T11:43:24 -!- Jak_o_Shadows1 [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-12T11:45:25 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T11:52:21 -!- _franck__ [527f6536@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.127.101.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-12T11:55:53 < Steffanx> Hi stvn. 2016-10-12T12:18:49 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-12T12:19:32 < PaulFertser> jpa-: depends on speed you usually go. I think if your average is over 25km/h then it's more reasonable to go with the traffic. 2016-10-12T12:20:02 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T12:51:17 < karlp> aandrew: that kudo thing is pretty neat. kinda brave new world. 2016-10-12T13:19:09 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T13:22:07 * stvn gives Laurenceb_ a newspaper 2016-10-12T13:34:45 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.135.88] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-12T13:35:22 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: I learned electronics from EEVblog] 2016-10-12T13:37:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-12T13:40:48 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T13:52:50 -!- fenugrec [~R@24-50-113-108.dm.cgocable.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T14:08:58 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T14:11:47 < jpa-> PaulFertser: yeah, i never go that fast 2016-10-12T14:13:31 < PaulFertser> jpa-: hm, then you're going relatively slow even by MTB standards? 2016-10-12T14:14:32 < jpa-> dunno, for me 20km/h average is alread pretty good and more like 15km/h in winter 2016-10-12T14:14:44 < jpa-> it's not like i want to get sweaty when biking to work 2016-10-12T14:19:24 < zyp> idk about biking to work, but to me that sounds pretty slow 2016-10-12T14:19:27 * karlp is only about 20kph biking to work too. 2016-10-12T14:19:39 < karlp> 15 in winter soundsd about right too. 2016-10-12T14:20:01 < zyp> when I'm biking for fun I'm going around 35 on flat ground 2016-10-12T14:20:23 < karlp> even the bike nerd beside me was only 19.1 kph this morning to work average according to strava. 2016-10-12T14:20:57 < karlp> yeah, strava reckons i'm pretty average 18kph for my commut trips 2016-10-12T14:21:23 < karlp> slower in snow, but much better visibility like jpa says 2016-10-12T14:21:30 < karlp> current rain and wind is way worse. 2016-10-12T14:24:17 < karlp> 35 on a bit you're going fast is fine, but I'd be impressed if that was your trip averge. 2016-10-12T14:24:36 < PaulFertser> Yeah, winter is a bitch. 2016-10-12T14:26:31 < PaulFertser> I think I had like 23 km/h average when I was commuting 28.8km to work on road racing bike. But I'm not a good rider and there were enough traffic lights to slow me down. 2016-10-12T14:27:16 < PaulFertser> Even when you have 20 km/h average it means you often go 30+ and it's way too fast to be near pedestrians. 2016-10-12T14:27:40 < BrainDamage> i can do 33km/h average over 45km on semi-flat ground on my mountain bike, it's doable, but leaves you very sore afterwards 2016-10-12T14:28:13 < zyp> also, I assume we include ebikes? 2016-10-12T14:28:33 < jpa-> nah, with ebike of course you can go as fast as you decide (or law allows) 2016-10-12T14:28:42 < zyp> because I'm too out of shape to go that fast if I have to put in all the power myself :p 2016-10-12T14:29:14 < jpa-> with ebike i have pretty much 25km/h stable speed and average goes down only because of stops 2016-10-12T14:29:57 < karlp> BrainDamage: wow. I can't even imagine sustaining that. 2016-10-12T14:30:06 < karlp> and zyp no, I was n't talking about ebikes at all. 2016-10-12T14:30:44 < karlp> PaulFertser: 20kph is still to slow to be on the roads though :) 2016-10-12T14:31:07 < PaulFertser> karlp: well, I'd say no, judging by my experience in moscow. 2016-10-12T14:31:08 < karlp> but yeah, I definitely prefer the sections of our path network that have pedestrian and bike divided, at least with a painted line. 2016-10-12T14:31:16 < jpa-> on my commute, driving on the road is not really an alternative anyway (it's forbidden) 2016-10-12T14:31:32 < jpa-> within city it would be possible 2016-10-12T14:31:38 < zyp> I thought the discussion were about whether you're biking with the cars or biking with the pedestrians, not what kind of bike you're on 2016-10-12T14:31:47 < karlp> I'm more concerned about hitting other cyclists rather than pedestrians on my route honestly. 2016-10-12T14:32:08 < BrainDamage> here we have a mix of mixed bike/pedestrian lanes, dedicated lanes, but mostly, no lanes at all 2016-10-12T14:32:24 < PaulFertser> In europe most of the cyclists are going so slow and unstable that they become a danger for normal riders when sharing bike pathes indeed. 2016-10-12T14:32:24 < karlp> zyp: I think it was, but paul was saying it depended on tyour speed, which depends a bit on what you're riding :) 2016-10-12T14:32:41 < karlp> only other commuters here I'm concerned about. 2016-10-12T14:32:46 < karlp> cycle commuting is "new" 2016-10-12T14:33:02 < karlp> probably 3 orders of magnitude more cycle commuters here now than when I moved here. 2016-10-12T14:33:05 < zyp> given how popular ebikes are nowadays, I think it's fair to include them 2016-10-12T14:33:30 < BrainDamage> and bike lanes starting and ending in th mid of the road due to bullshit, ( they need a fixed % of bike tracks by law and they cheat by shoving them wherever ) 2016-10-12T14:33:34 < karlp> and we have some delightful urban planning with blind corners on new developments 2016-10-12T14:35:09 < jpa-> https://goo.gl/maps/um3t1a7TgRA2 my commute looks like that, and that's the average number of pedestrians also 2016-10-12T14:35:51 -!- fenugrec [~R@24-50-113-108.dm.cgocable.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-12T14:36:22 -!- _franck__ [527f6536@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.127.101.54] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T14:36:24 < BrainDamage> that looks pretty nice, does it get humid? 2016-10-12T14:36:44 < jpa-> not too often 2016-10-12T14:37:36 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.129.8] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T15:03:16 -!- jedrek_ [~jedrek@178235042010.dynamic-ww-07.vectranet.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T15:08:03 -!- mitrax [mitrax@7-36-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T15:10:07 < ReadErr> haha I love the 3d stuff they added to gmaps 2016-10-12T15:10:17 < ReadErr> it actually looks pretty good 2016-10-12T15:21:21 -!- BillS [~IceChat9@112.201.14.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T15:23:36 -!- BillS [~IceChat9@112.201.14.201] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-12T15:25:32 < Laurenceb_> gmaps is a disaster 2016-10-12T15:25:36 < Laurenceb_> cpu killer 2016-10-12T15:25:51 < Laurenceb_> just 12 years ago it was really nice and efficient 2016-10-12T15:25:55 < Laurenceb_> erm 2 2016-10-12T15:25:57 < Laurenceb_> lul 2016-10-12T15:26:37 < zyp> maybe it'd work better if you didn't try to run it on a 12 year old computer 2016-10-12T15:27:07 < Laurenceb_> 2 true 2016-10-12T15:27:48 < qyx> it started to be unusable on a core i3 about a year ago 2016-10-12T15:28:22 < Laurenceb_> heh thats what I have 2016-10-12T15:28:27 < qyx> now it scrolls better on a galaxy tab than on my desktop 2016-10-12T15:28:32 < qyx> *pans 2016-10-12T15:29:00 < Laurenceb_> probably because gpu acceleration works 2016-10-12T15:29:49 < Jak_o_Shadows> I have to turn off 3D 2016-10-12T15:34:07 -!- Peter_M [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T15:34:49 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-12T15:34:49 -!- Peter_M is now known as PeterM 2016-10-12T15:47:25 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6NdZGWvSW8&feature=youtu.be 2016-10-12T16:04:34 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-12T16:04:38 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T16:05:16 -!- jedrek_ [~jedrek@178235042010.dynamic-ww-07.vectranet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-12T16:16:51 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-38-21.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-12T16:39:16 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-12T16:39:37 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-12T16:47:57 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-12T16:49:32 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T16:54:45 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T17:15:37 -!- aadamson [aadamson@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:2dc9] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-12T17:16:26 -!- aadamson [aadamson@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:2dc9] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T17:23:01 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-12T17:25:36 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-12T17:28:04 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T17:40:56 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-12T17:48:13 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.129.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-12T17:54:38 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-12T18:00:54 < dongs> okay what the fuck 2016-10-12T18:01:00 < dongs> throgh-hole pads dont connect to GND pour 2016-10-12T18:01:05 < dongs> cant find any rule that makes it not so 2016-10-12T18:01:48 < karlp> shoulda used orcad 2016-10-12T18:03:03 < dongs> yes 2016-10-12T18:03:04 < dongs> definitely 2016-10-12T18:03:08 < dongs> but this is fucked 2016-10-12T18:10:37 < zyp> dongs, it's probably the "pour over same layer something" setting 2016-10-12T18:10:58 < zyp> through hole aren't same layer, since they are multilayer, or something dumb like that 2016-10-12T18:27:12 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-12T18:41:48 < ReadErr> R2COM: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/ 2016-10-12T18:41:49 < ReadErr> lul 2016-10-12T18:44:48 < ReadErr> ermm thats not important 2016-10-12T18:44:58 < ReadErr> electoral college, u know how this thing works right? 2016-10-12T18:47:11 < kakimir> when will trump win? 2016-10-12T18:49:02 < kakimir> R2COM: it kind of is already 2016-10-12T18:49:11 < kakimir> or at least sometimes feels like it 2016-10-12T18:50:08 < kakimir> that's terrific 2016-10-12T18:51:10 < kakimir> norway at least is almost like an extension of US 2016-10-12T18:51:16 < kakimir> nato 2016-10-12T18:51:23 < kakimir> all the brands and stores 2016-10-12T18:51:40 < kakimir> oil business 2016-10-12T18:53:11 < kakimir> yes 2016-10-12T18:54:23 < PaulFertser> Does anyone know why http://www.winstar.com.tw/products/graphic-lcd-display-module/122x32-graphic.html has no E signal, how am I supposed to latch the commands/data? 2016-10-12T18:55:19 < PaulFertser> Well, probably but the controller datasheet doesn't imply I can. 2016-10-12T18:57:46 < PaulFertser> But 80 mode is not supported, it says so in the page header, only 6800. 2016-10-12T19:01:57 < PaulFertser> Seems to be really unconnected though. 2016-10-12T19:02:22 < PaulFertser> The board is two-layer, and it doesn't go anywhere. 2016-10-12T19:12:42 < PaulFertser> englishman: you're right, CS sort of works 2016-10-12T19:12:45 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-12T19:42:13 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T19:42:40 -!- blight [~greg@212-186-28-41.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T19:42:40 -!- blight [~greg@212-186-28-41.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-12T19:42:40 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T19:51:20 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T19:53:00 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-12T19:55:22 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.149.247] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T19:56:07 -!- theAdib [~theadib@ipservice-092-208-160-021.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T19:56:09 -!- theAdib_ [~theadib@ipservice-092-208-160-021.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T19:56:11 -!- theAdib [~theadib@ipservice-092-208-160-021.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-12T20:05:40 < PaulFertser> englishman: but in a weird way, even with huge delays some data is lost apparently, can't see how it's supposed to wokr. 2016-10-12T20:11:19 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T20:12:50 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T20:14:24 < PaulFertser> Probably it should work and just doesn't really like my ~2.9V levels instead of 5V. 2016-10-12T20:17:25 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T20:25:51 < PaulFertser> Yeah, looks like it, the RAM is loaded with proper values when I supply it 3V Vcc but it doesn't display anything, then I switch Vcc to 5V and see proper result. 2016-10-12T20:31:37 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0aad5f.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T20:36:03 < Rob235> how does a circular dma buffer work? when it gets to the set dma buffer size then it loops back to memory_array[0]? 2016-10-12T20:37:48 < karlp> no, it randomly picks the next address by sampling adc channel 12. 2016-10-12T20:38:27 < Rob235> does it need any intervention is what I meant 2016-10-12T20:38:55 < Rob235> to restart the dma or does it just go until you stop t 2016-10-12T20:39:53 < Steffanx> depends on how you configure it Rob235. 2016-10-12T20:40:02 < Steffanx> Circular or not circular etc. 2016-10-12T20:40:40 < Rob235> adc is in continuous/scan mode, dma is is in circular, no interrupts set up 2016-10-12T20:42:16 < Rob235> if I set the buffer size to 2 which is what I want, the values never change, if I set the dma buffer size to 20, then the array shows that the adc is reading new values but it never loops back to memory location [0] so its like circular mode isn't working 2016-10-12T20:43:57 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.149.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-12T20:46:10 < Rob235> maybe I'm not understanding circular mode, I'll just read the dma infosheet 2016-10-12T20:58:17 < jadew> englishman, what was it before? 2016-10-12T20:59:39 < jadew> I guess now you don't have to take turns to watch youtube videos :) 2016-10-12T20:59:43 < Rob235> fixed it 2016-10-12T21:01:00 < jadew> what do you have at home? 2016-10-12T21:01:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.219.167] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T21:02:07 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.219.167] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-12T21:02:09 < jadew> well, at least it's not worse 2016-10-12T21:02:20 < Rob235> ADC_DMARequestAfterLastTransferCmd(ADC1, ENABLE); (CR2_DDS bit needed to be set) 2016-10-12T21:02:20 < jadew> that's sort of decent 2016-10-12T21:02:41 < jadew> that's crazy 2016-10-12T21:06:24 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-19-73-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T21:08:07 < Steffanx> govt .. what does your government have to do with the speeds? government undertaking company thing? 2016-10-12T21:09:30 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.219.167] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T21:09:50 < BrainDamage> government can forbid the trust cartel to put needless caps in data sizes that strangle the country's development 2016-10-12T21:10:39 < BrainDamage> i wish they'd do that shit on the mobile connections here, 2GB per month is just a joke 2016-10-12T21:11:43 < Steffanx> 2GB waaay more then i need for mobile crap. 2016-10-12T21:13:02 < Steffanx> There isn't really any competion here in dutchland either, but yet we get 150/15 or something. 2016-10-12T21:14:59 < Steffanx> lovely. 2016-10-12T21:16:23 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.34] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T21:20:33 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T21:26:49 < BrainDamage> Steffanx: it's an artificial limitation, why should i be limited to 2 GB? i want to use 4G like a landline connection 2016-10-12T21:27:23 < BrainDamage> i can understand the mobile data costing more, but as it is, for same amount of transferred traffic mobile is literally 1200 times the cost here 2016-10-12T21:27:49 < BrainDamage> this is not technical reasoning, it's greed 2016-10-12T21:28:12 < BrainDamage> and they can maintain the status quo simply because of historical reason 2016-10-12T21:30:26 < BrainDamage> yup, there's little incentive to upgrade for them, especially whenmost of the consumers want to stay in the lowest bin of billing 2016-10-12T21:30:46 < Steffanx> Yeah, sure you're right about that BrainDamage. 2016-10-12T21:33:32 < Steffanx> And i dont get the idea that will change soon. 2016-10-12T21:33:39 < BrainDamage> correct 2016-10-12T21:35:36 < Steffanx> Here in dutchland, some perhaps good rules, also works against the "data limit" stuff. We have this strictish net neutrality rules. 2016-10-12T21:35:57 < Steffanx> Sounds, great. But also restricts providers to not charge for services as spotify etc. 2016-10-12T21:36:11 < BrainDamage> it's actually good 2016-10-12T21:36:18 < Steffanx> They cannot do that due to this net neutrality thing. 2016-10-12T21:36:32 < BrainDamage> yes, that's what it means, you cannot prefer any type of traffi 2016-10-12T21:36:47 < BrainDamage> it actually has technical consequences, not just legal and socia 2016-10-12T21:36:49 < Steffanx> Yes, right. but then you hit the 2GB limit again. 2016-10-12T21:37:45 < BrainDamage> the problm is the artificial 2GB limit, the fact thatthey can make hat distinction is not from a technical possibility 2016-10-12T21:37:50 < BrainDamage> it's them putting an artifificial barrier and arbitrarily allowing some 2016-10-12T21:38:35 < BrainDamage> spotify traffic doesn't cache better or worse, plus, you're hindring competition 2016-10-12T21:39:08 < BrainDamage> because now if you setup a streaming service you can't compete with spotify because spotify has magic out of jail free card 2016-10-12T21:42:34 < BrainDamage> internet providers provide a service, much like the electricity supply or the water 2016-10-12T21:43:50 < BrainDamage> worse, not all fridges 2016-10-12T21:43:56 < BrainDamage> but only fridges of this brand 2016-10-12T21:44:09 < Steffanx> Yeah, i guess you're right. 2016-10-12T21:45:10 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-12T21:45:37 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-19-73-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-10-12T21:51:45 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T21:52:55 < BenderTheMan> Can someone give me a hand with NSS and SPI2 on STM32F030R8T? I'm trying to have the hardware create the CS pulse, but I don't see it on the scope when I probe PB12. I see Clock on PB13 and data on PB15. 2016-10-12T21:53:00 < BenderTheMan> Here is my setup code for SPI2 http://pastebin.com/YmJwLyWk 2016-10-12T21:53:14 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-12T21:54:56 < BenderTheMan> I'll need that SPI to setup W5500 ethernet module, and SPI seems fine, except the CS pin which doesn't change state 2016-10-12T21:58:42 < qyx> SPI_InitStructure.SPI_NSS = SPI_NSS_Soft 2016-10-12T21:58:43 < qyx> whats that 2016-10-12T21:58:53 < qyx> I don't use stdperiph though 2016-10-12T22:04:16 < BenderTheMan> I tried both, soft and hard, no change 2016-10-12T22:06:19 < Rickta59> your comment says enable GPOIC but the code does B 2016-10-12T22:06:21 < BenderTheMan> I guess I'll just have to go with software SS 2016-10-12T22:06:22 < Rickta59> did you mean that? 2016-10-12T22:06:29 < Rickta59> * RCC clock 2016-10-12T22:06:46 < BenderTheMan> Rickta59: Yea, I'm using PB12, 13, 14 and 15 2016-10-12T22:06:49 < Rickta59> k 2016-10-12T22:07:04 < BenderTheMan> Thanks for noticing. I've changed it :) 2016-10-12T22:08:10 < LeelooMinai> Rickta59: Did you check the reference docs? 2016-10-12T22:08:17 < Rickta59> yeah i did 2016-10-12T22:08:31 < Rickta59> * BenderTheMan is asking all the questions LeelooMinai :) 2016-10-12T22:08:37 < LeelooMinai> According to min (L4, but maybe the same) hard NSS does not work when CPHA=1 (which you have) 2016-10-12T22:08:43 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T22:09:00 < LeelooMinai> A, Right, BenderTheMan* 2016-10-12T22:09:15 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/rZBSZiQ.png 2016-10-12T22:09:32 < LeelooMinai> I would look at that section for f1. 2016-10-12T22:09:36 < BenderTheMan> damn it... I've missed it 2016-10-12T22:09:49 < BenderTheMan> Thanks guys! 2016-10-12T22:10:06 < BenderTheMan> Now on the tough part. Does anyone have a W5500 stm32f0 library to recommend? 2016-10-12T22:10:31 < BenderTheMan> I "just" need the device to connect to the network and send some UDP or TCP packets and that's it. 2016-10-12T22:13:00 < BenderTheMan> I've found this one https://github.com/zthxxx/STM32-W5500_TCP_Client/blob/master/USER/W5500.c 2016-10-12T22:13:03 < BenderTheMan> Not sure if it will work :) 2016-10-12T22:13:30 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-12T22:14:32 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T22:19:05 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-12T22:36:24 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-12T22:41:58 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T22:42:14 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T22:47:10 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T22:53:16 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-5be2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T22:54:21 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.219.167] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-12T23:01:02 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T23:04:28 -!- fenugrec [~R@205-237-44-100.static.cgocable.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-12T23:12:27 < LeelooMinai> L series 2016-10-12T23:12:48 < LeelooMinai> L4 being the newset, based on M4 2016-10-12T23:13:47 < LeelooMinai> 8-bit may be lower μA per MHz, but be careful - if you are doing computations in bursts, 32-nit controler can be still more efficent on average. 2016-10-12T23:14:22 < LeelooMinai> L4 is 84μA per MHz in run mode 2016-10-12T23:15:01 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-12T23:16:09 < LeelooMinai> And has lots of lower-power modes - 3 stop modes and standby/shutdown 2016-10-12T23:16:39 < LeelooMinai> Plus some specialized low power peripherals - one low power timer and low power UART 2016-10-12T23:17:18 < LeelooMinai> That can wake up the micro from I think standby mode. 2016-10-12T23:18:02 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I was just listing what's there in L4 as to low power features. 2016-10-12T23:18:45 < LeelooMinai> I think it has also faster transistion times from low power modes to run mode than non-L4 2016-10-12T23:18:51 -!- bilboquet_ [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-12T23:18:53 < LeelooMinai> Well, non-L 2016-10-12T23:19:27 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/nF98L7H.png 2016-10-12T23:20:14 < LeelooMinai> Right, it's pretty nice 2016-10-12T23:20:51 < LeelooMinai> But I would, again, suggest M1K at least for development, to actually measure everything in RL 2016-10-12T23:21:23 < LeelooMinai> Or even not measure, but monitor that indeed things happen as one thinks they happen in terms of power modes. 2016-10-12T23:21:36 < LeelooMinai> It can be tricky at times. 2016-10-12T23:23:02 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: what is cool in those specs? 2016-10-12T23:24:02 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Whatever you consider to be cool I guess:p 2016-10-12T23:24:16 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: I was responding to the CubeMX calculator comment, so you. 2016-10-12T23:24:54 < LeelooMinai> I think R2COM 2016-10-12T23:24:57 < BrainDamage> what is a cool but litle known of stm32 L series? 2016-10-12T23:25:11 < LeelooMinai> I think he asked if ST has any low-poer micros 2016-10-12T23:26:52 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but 120μA/MHz vs 84μA/MHz is significant in itself 2016-10-12T23:29:45 < kakimir> can you butt it in a perspective? 2016-10-12T23:33:50 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Hm? 2016-10-12T23:36:52 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2016-10-12T23:42:52 < karlp> BrainDamage: built in eeprom, way more external adc channels? 2016-10-12T23:44:11 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-12T23:44:34 < Steffanx> The eeprom sucks arse. 2016-10-12T23:45:12 < Steffanx> Stop executing while its being written -_- 2016-10-12T23:47:14 < karlp> never noticed, only use it for things that are higher priority 2016-10-12T23:47:24 < karlp> also, I thinkt hey have killed it from both l4 and l0 anyway right? 2016-10-12T23:51:00 -!- fenugrec [~R@205-237-44-100.static.cgocable.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-12T23:55:57 < kakimir> I just bought today sand blasting like.. standalone machine thing 2016-10-12T23:56:27 < kakimir> no external compressor or anything 2016-10-12T23:56:56 < kakimir> it has pump, cabinet and sand tray 2016-10-12T23:57:05 < kakimir> *box --- Day changed Thu Oct 13 2016 2016-10-13T00:00:58 < kakimir> https://d1yb6h7rvkcay2.cloudfront.net/8e/fa/52/3c/9e/fb/44/48/9a/3d/04/73/1e/51/01/a7/8efa523c-9efb-4448-9a3d-04731e5101a7-large::r:0.jpg 2016-10-13T00:01:21 < kakimir> real oldcool cabinet 2016-10-13T00:07:33 -!- theAdib_ [~theadib@ipservice-092-208-160-021.092.208.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-13T00:08:22 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2016-10-13T00:09:04 -!- tonyarkl1s [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T00:11:09 < kakimir> what do you think about my cabin? 2016-10-13T00:11:13 < kakimir> cabinet* 2016-10-13T00:11:40 -!- Thaolia- [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T00:12:14 -!- vampirefrog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T00:12:39 < Steffanx> is that your scrap yard kakimir? 2016-10-13T00:12:48 < kakimir> brand 2016-10-13T00:12:51 < kakimir> not mine 2016-10-13T00:13:05 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA3LpkOO6xk 2016-10-13T00:13:22 -!- kimmoli_ [~kl@194.100.69.195] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T00:13:30 < BenderTheMan> Can someone suggest a read for understanding EXTI configuration? If I want to configure EXTI on PC4, using stdperiph. How should I dod it and etc... I understand the concept, I don't understand the particular details 2016-10-13T00:13:30 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-19-73-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T00:14:05 < Steffanx> lol at that wiper kakimir D: 2016-10-13T00:14:16 < kakimir> they have some sort of extension there to process long bars or so 2016-10-13T00:14:36 < Thorn> BenderTheMan: perhaps http://stm32f4-discovery.net/2014/08/stm32f4-external-interrupts-tutorial/ 2016-10-13T00:15:19 -!- bvernoux1 [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T00:15:22 < vampirefrog> BenderTheMan, you have to configure individual pins to generate an interrupt 2016-10-13T00:15:38 < Steffanx> Better get some laser rust remover next, kakimir 2016-10-13T00:15:44 < vampirefrog> GPIO_InitStruct.Mode = GPIO_MODE_IT_FALLING; 2016-10-13T00:17:00 < BenderTheMan> So here is what I understand. I have to configure EXTI that my pin is connected to. In my case PC4 so EXTI4_15_IRQn. I have to set-up the pin to be input and also to enable the faling edge and set the priority. 2016-10-13T00:17:13 < vampirefrog> yep 2016-10-13T00:17:18 < vampirefrog> and then 2016-10-13T00:17:24 < vampirefrog> BenderTheMan, define this function: 2016-10-13T00:17:32 < vampirefrog> void HAL_GPIO_EXTI_Callback(uint16_t GPIO_Pin) { } 2016-10-13T00:17:39 < vampirefrog> it's weakly defined 2016-10-13T00:17:46 < vampirefrog> so you can "overwrite" it 2016-10-13T00:17:57 < BenderTheMan> I'm not using HAL :\ 2016-10-13T00:17:58 < BenderTheMan> :) 2016-10-13T00:18:05 < vampirefrog> then do 2016-10-13T00:18:29 -!- aadamson_ [aadamson@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe70:2dc9] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T00:18:30 < BenderTheMan> Few months ago when I asked how can I do some stuff with HAL, you guys told me to get real and use stdperiph or go buy an arduino. lomao :D 2016-10-13T00:18:56 -!- Thaolia| [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T00:19:21 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: debris`, ka6sox, tonyarkles, vampi-the-frog, Thaolia, Simon--, aadamson, kimmoli 2016-10-13T00:19:23 < vampirefrog> EXTI0_IRQHandler() 2016-10-13T00:19:30 -!- aadamson_ is now known as aadamson 2016-10-13T00:19:42 < vampirefrog> BenderTheMan, you'd have to test both yourself 2016-10-13T00:20:20 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Simon-- 2016-10-13T00:20:31 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-13T00:20:31 -!- Thaolia- [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-13T00:20:33 < LeelooMinai> BenderTheMan: Meh - I would not use old library - it's not supported by CubeMX any more for example. Also, consider that new one has both HAL and LL - you can mix them as you like pretty much. 2016-10-13T00:20:51 < BenderTheMan> What is LL? 2016-10-13T00:21:03 < vampirefrog> BenderTheMan, BenderTheMan http://ix.io/1vzI 2016-10-13T00:21:05 < vampirefrog> low level 2016-10-13T00:21:06 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-dxllthvtbrobosnt] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T00:21:13 < LeelooMinai> It's Low Level - basically as light as possible layer on top of the hardware. 2016-10-13T00:21:43 < BenderTheMan> Sweet. Well I'm already neck deep in the stdperiph but I'll consider HAL for next project :) 2016-10-13T00:21:54 < BenderTheMan> I just need to get some W5500 love and I'm done :) 2016-10-13T00:22:10 < BenderTheMan> Ethernet working, and bam... gg :) 2016-10-13T00:22:18 < LeelooMinai> Myself I decided to not use any and doing my own minimal, but C++ empowered HAl, but that's for my use only, so does not have to cover all the hardware. 2016-10-13T00:22:53 < Rob235> I like stdPeriph 2016-10-13T00:23:21 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: pulsar, forrestv, dongs, syke, XTL, zapb_ 2016-10-13T00:23:21 < LeelooMinai> Etiher things change or it's you because I remember that most people hated it in the past:p 2016-10-13T00:23:25 -!- ka6sox [ka6sox@nasadmin/ka6sox] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T00:23:55 < Rob235> what stdperiph? 2016-10-13T00:23:58 < LeelooMinai> And m aybe that's why they redesigned it (?) 2016-10-13T00:24:49 < LeelooMinai> Yes, stdperiph - people always seemed to complain about it on IRC and forums. 2016-10-13T00:24:54 < Rob235> well its the only thing I've ever used so I can't compare but I dunno, I don't seem to have a problem with it 2016-10-13T00:25:23 < Rob235> maybe I'm just not doing advanced enough things with it 2016-10-13T00:26:12 < vampirefrog> I'm copying all the USB descriptors from a Sound interface into my code so I can just use the existing working interface as a reference ^^ 2016-10-13T00:26:27 < vampirefrog> so now my device identifies itself exactly like the working one 2016-10-13T00:26:47 < LeelooMinai> It's not even about having problems I think, it's just that it's pretty crude and plain - you have to constantly repeat a lot of code each time. 2016-10-13T00:26:54 < vampirefrog> now I just have to use wireshark to analyze the differences between the packets 2016-10-13T00:27:28 < LeelooMinai> But that how most HALs are. If you want something neat, you may have to write it for yourself I guess. 2016-10-13T00:28:17 -!- forrestv [forrestv@unaffiliated/forrestv] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T00:28:17 -!- zapb_ [~zapb@static.61.224.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T00:28:17 -!- pulsar [~PLS@2a01:4f8:130:4029::1:7] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T00:28:17 -!- XTL [xtl@kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T00:28:17 -!- dongs [~dongs@bcas.tv] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T00:28:17 -!- syke [syke@irc.syke.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T00:28:20 < Rob235> it can reduce customizability 2016-10-13T00:29:08 < LeelooMinai> they have to go with lowest-common-denominator language features, cover all the hardware, etc. It's understandable, but will never be optimal for every single case. 2016-10-13T00:30:00 -!- forrestv [forrestv@unaffiliated/forrestv] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2016-10-13T00:30:07 < LeelooMinai> I tried to use HAL with C++, but eventually I got pissed off and depressed:) 2016-10-13T00:31:35 < LeelooMinai> With my hal to intialize all the pins on the board I just need this: http://i.imgur.com/LtzGjxU.png 2016-10-13T00:31:47 < LeelooMinai> And it's computed at runtime. 2016-10-13T00:33:05 < LeelooMinai> Er, compile time* 2016-10-13T00:33:14 < vampirefrog> nice, I guess 2016-10-13T00:33:25 < vampirefrog> it's the sort of thing one would do if one would work with stm32 a lot 2016-10-13T00:33:29 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2016-10-13T00:33:48 < Rob235> I have one nxp (lpc1768) which seems ok but I love stm32 2016-10-13T00:33:56 -!- forrestv [forrestv@unaffiliated/forrestv] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T00:34:10 < Rob235> wrong channel 2016-10-13T00:34:21 < LeelooMinai> Or is it.. o_O 2016-10-13T00:34:29 < vampirefrog> boy you sure dropped the n bomb there 2016-10-13T00:35:52 < LeelooMinai> I use NXP plugins in Eclipse to show FreeRTOS info for.... stm32s 2016-10-13T00:36:21 < LeelooMinai> Kind of tried it for lols thinking that it will not work, but it does. 2016-10-13T00:36:50 < Thorn> this cat is better than the transimpedance cat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjOm9eAOJUw 2016-10-13T00:37:33 -!- bvernoux1 is now known as bvernoux 2016-10-13T00:37:37 < LeelooMinai> That's not a cat... That's a beast that can eat your hand under certain circumstainces:) 2016-10-13T00:43:15 -!- c4017 [~c4017@node-1w7jr9qihf28vvcq8bw7hfki7.ipv6.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-13T00:43:38 -!- c4017 [~c4017@node-1w7jr9qihf28vvcq8bw7hfki7.ipv6.telus.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T00:46:45 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-5be2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-13T01:07:08 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T01:10:04 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-13T01:13:01 -!- vampirefrog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-13T01:13:12 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T01:41:56 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2016-10-13T01:43:11 -!- bvernoux1 [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T01:45:25 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-13T01:49:16 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-13T01:50:20 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T01:50:25 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0aad5f.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-13T01:50:39 < stvn> sup crt 2016-10-13T01:52:30 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T01:55:33 -!- bvernoux1 [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-13T01:56:06 -!- bvernoux1 [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T01:56:12 -!- bvernoux1 [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-13T01:57:21 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-13T02:06:48 -!- Steffanx [~quassel@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-13T02:25:47 -!- Steffanx [~quassel@524834A0.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T02:25:47 -!- Steffanx [~quassel@524834A0.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-13T02:25:47 -!- Steffanx [~quassel@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T02:26:03 < stvn> wb Steffanx 2016-10-13T02:26:34 < stvn> R2COM: microsoft didn't allow you to not allow 2016-10-13T02:26:42 < karlp> ok, unified pins between c and lua. now just need to verify the battery operation mode... 2016-10-13T02:26:54 < Laurenceb_> http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/46786/1475498780/marmjamSm.jpg 2016-10-13T02:27:22 < stvn> Laurenceb_: mmmm idk ma 2016-10-13T02:34:42 < Laurenceb_> https://medium.com/@shemag8/fuck-you-startup-world-ab6cc72fad0e#.9euionw1q 2016-10-13T02:35:13 < stvn> cool one Laurenceb_ 2016-10-13T02:35:27 < Laurenceb_> reads like it was written by dongs 2016-10-13T02:36:06 < stvn> never seen his writing 2016-10-13T02:36:38 < stvn> too tired i need a coughy 2016-10-13T02:37:33 < stvn> are you getting stoned again Laurenceb_ ? 2016-10-13T02:37:45 < Laurenceb_> yes 2016-10-13T02:38:27 < stvn> cool 2016-10-13T02:38:47 < stvn> i heard its a gateway drug to islamic radicalization 2016-10-13T02:39:51 < LeelooMinai> Unless you are getting stoned with, well, stones. 2016-10-13T02:40:00 < stvn> :] 2016-10-13T02:40:14 < stvn> welcome back LeelooMinai 2016-10-13T02:40:30 < LeelooMinai> I did not go anywhere... 2016-10-13T02:40:51 < stvn> i'm sorry to hear that 2016-10-13T02:41:04 < stvn> i take my mobility for granted 2016-10-13T02:41:56 < stvn> ohsix, only time will tell 2016-10-13T02:42:41 < Laurenceb_> literally dongs 2016-10-13T02:42:47 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/574527/opinion_david_pogue_the_bright_side_of_internet/d8p90ra 2016-10-13T02:42:49 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-19-73-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-13T02:43:40 -!- Steffanx [~quassel@unaffiliated/steffanx] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-13T02:52:50 < LeelooMinai> Boom:/ http://i.imgur.com/1yk5TPF.png 2016-10-13T02:54:41 < stvn> lolwot 2016-10-13T02:55:08 < stvn> you fried gcc? 2016-10-13T02:55:24 < LeelooMinai> Seems it imploded, yes. 2016-10-13T02:55:40 * LeelooMinai sings "living on the edge" 2016-10-13T02:56:34 < stvn> nice work, i think you deserve a medal 2016-10-13T02:57:12 < LeelooMinai> Well, nothing is perfect - including gcc for sure. 2016-10-13T02:57:27 < stvn> this is true 2016-10-13T02:57:43 < Laurenceb_> now you have the small problem of compiling your codez 2016-10-13T02:57:56 < stvn> delicious codez 2016-10-13T02:58:04 < LeelooMinai> Right, will need to find a workaround - fun. 2016-10-13T02:58:20 < stvn> laurenceb likes cpp too 2016-10-13T02:58:24 < stvn> and mr z 2016-10-13T02:58:37 < stvn> maybe they can help you 2016-10-13T02:58:51 < Laurenceb_> actually I have weirder hobby 2016-10-13T02:59:00 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeuJ_6skbF4 2016-10-13T02:59:07 < LeelooMinai> I would not say I like it... More like it's the best one can get, so what will I do. 2016-10-13T02:59:41 < zyp> LeelooMinai, which gcc version? 2016-10-13T02:59:49 < LeelooMinai> 5.4.2 2016-10-13T03:00:41 < Laurenceb_> comments deliver : This man gave me a meat based anal examination 2016-10-13T03:01:09 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai: x86 gcc? 2016-10-13T03:01:46 < LeelooMinai> This toolchain: https://launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded 2016-10-13T03:01:53 < LeelooMinai> Windows -> ARM 2016-10-13T03:03:12 < Laurenceb_> ah 2016-10-13T03:03:33 < zyp> probably some edge case with const folding through a bunch of constexpr funcs 2016-10-13T03:04:25 < zyp> that C++11 makes me curious, how does your API work? 2016-10-13T03:05:07 < LeelooMinai> I use constexpr's to assemble hardware registers at compile time for initialization. 2016-10-13T03:05:27 < zyp> sure, I'm just curious how usage looks from a user perspective 2016-10-13T03:05:29 < LeelooMinai> C++14 2016-10-13T03:06:04 < LeelooMinai> Well, I just started, but gpio would look like this: http://i.imgur.com/hYj4M71.png 2016-10-13T03:06:45 < LeelooMinai> So this would end up as Config with assembled registers and go in .rodata 2016-10-13T03:07:18 < LeelooMinai> With all the functions used to assemble it gone pretty much - they are used only during the compile time. 2016-10-13T03:08:06 < zyp> I get the benefits, my usb descriptor building stuff is written with the same point in mind 2016-10-13T03:08:09 < LeelooMinai> And initialization is one and the same function that just uses it: http://i.imgur.com/RXlaU5Q.png 2016-10-13T03:08:48 < LeelooMinai> The config also has embedded flags which registers are different from the default values after reset. 2016-10-13T03:10:05 < LeelooMinai> Good there's no dongs here, because he would say again something like "There's so much faggotry in that code":p 2016-10-13T03:10:12 < zyp> the PinIndex::-stuff looks dumb though 2016-10-13T03:10:47 < LeelooMinai> What PinIndex 2016-10-13T03:10:57 < zyp> PinIndex::_0 2016-10-13T03:11:09 < zyp> why not just a literal 0? 2016-10-13T03:11:33 < LeelooMinai> Because this way you cannot pass wrong value to it by mistake, say 17 2016-10-13T03:11:53 -!- Steffanx [~quassel@524834A0.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T03:11:53 -!- Steffanx [~quassel@524834A0.cm-4-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-13T03:11:53 -!- Steffanx [~quassel@unaffiliated/steffanx] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T03:12:05 < LeelooMinai> It's for typechecking basically - compiles to the same efficient code. 2016-10-13T03:12:19 < zyp> sure you can, there's plenty of parts that got some pins on a port, not all 2016-10-13T03:12:47 < zyp> asking for PH5 on a part where it doesn't exist is just as bad as asking for PH17 2016-10-13T03:12:55 < LeelooMinai> But there's no part than has more than 16 pins per port from what I know. 2016-10-13T03:13:05 < zyp> not on stm32 2016-10-13T03:13:27 < LeelooMinai> Right, I am not creating a lib for allthe micros. Just something for me. 2016-10-13T03:14:28 < zyp> well, you could argue that there's (probably) no micro with more than 32 pins on a port and go all the way up to 32 to support them 2016-10-13T03:14:34 < zyp> but then it still breaks the point 2016-10-13T03:15:20 < LeelooMinai> Well, it's more about the general use of enums. For Pins it's a bit 50/50 case, but when you see Speed::Medium it's both informative and type safe. 2016-10-13T03:15:21 < zyp> and it doesn't prevent you from mixing up pins, e.g. asking for PB5 when you want PB4 or PA5 or whatever 2016-10-13T03:15:48 < zyp> I haven't said anything about Speed, just PinIndex 2016-10-13T03:16:11 < zyp> anyway, enough about that 2016-10-13T03:16:22 < zyp> PinConfig, does that take a variadic template? 2016-10-13T03:16:31 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but I am pointing out that it's a general convention. Also, you need to use Port:: to ask for port B 2016-10-13T03:17:11 < LeelooMinai> No, there's almost no templates there. PinConfig is just a structure. 2016-10-13T03:18:00 < zyp> oh, okay, so everything needs to be specified in order 2016-10-13T03:18:04 < zyp> that's boring :) 2016-10-13T03:18:16 < stvn> it is 2016-10-13T03:18:34 < LeelooMinai> Not really - you can configure the pins in any order. 2016-10-13T03:18:48 < zyp> I meant the options 2016-10-13T03:19:40 < LeelooMinai> I could do the same for each option (allow <<), but it was not worth it. I did it for nRF IC HAL though. 2016-10-13T03:20:09 < zyp> I've been thinking about adding a config()-method to my pin class that's using a variadic template to dispatch options into register settings 2016-10-13T03:20:49 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Here, this is done as you just suggested: http://i.imgur.com/TUEe1wZ.png 2016-10-13T03:21:01 < LeelooMinai> Those can be in any order of course. 2016-10-13T03:21:34 < LeelooMinai> But for GPIOs, meh, I thought that it will be clearer to just throw structures as the config. 2016-10-13T03:21:45 < zyp> that's an overloaded operator, not a variadic template 2016-10-13T03:21:52 < zyp> but similar enough 2016-10-13T03:22:06 < zyp> don't really like how that looks 2016-10-13T03:22:09 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I am saying that I have done it with constexpr's in the past. 2016-10-13T03:22:26 < LeelooMinai> It cannot look much more clearer imo. 2016-10-13T03:22:53 < zyp> I'm referring to the stream pattern 2016-10-13T03:22:55 < LeelooMinai> I mean << option ... what else can you do:) 2016-10-13T03:23:12 < zyp> I said variadic template :p 2016-10-13T03:23:45 < LeelooMinai> Templates are silly imo for this kind of compile time calculations. 2016-10-13T03:24:47 < zyp> why? 2016-10-13T03:25:25 < LeelooMinai> Because they are not fit for the purpose well. They are abused in many ways, but that's because in the past there were no other means. 2016-10-13T03:25:28 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-13T03:25:55 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/main.cpp <- works pretty well for my usb descriptor stuff 2016-10-13T03:27:20 < zyp> stream pattern doesn't scale very well to tree structures, nesting variadic functions does 2016-10-13T03:27:47 < LeelooMinai> Well, what is, say, gamepad(...) like? 2016-10-13T03:28:22 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/usb/hid.h#n157 2016-10-13T03:28:54 < zyp> this is C++11 so it's kinda verbose, the whole return type thing can be omitted when I rewrite it to C++14 if I understand it correctly 2016-10-13T03:31:41 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Just loling a bit at this: UsagePage::_8 :p 2016-10-13T03:32:15 < LeelooMinai> Didn't you just wrote it looked silly in my code? 2016-10-13T03:33:50 < LeelooMinai> What is this pack(...) stuff? 2016-10-13T03:33:53 < zyp> that code is 3-4 years old, so C++14 weren't an option at the time 2016-10-13T03:35:22 < zyp> helper function 2016-10-13T03:35:23 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/usb/descriptor.h 2016-10-13T03:35:45 < zyp> just stuffs arguments into a packed struct 2016-10-13T03:36:35 < zyp> since usb descriptors are just a tree of stuff that gets flattened into a binary structure 2016-10-13T03:37:47 < LeelooMinai> Well, I am not an expert on templates (try to avoid them really,) but everything there seems to be just uint8_t, etc. - is the configuration as much typesafe as my code? 2016-10-13T03:40:08 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-13T03:40:20 < zyp> it's not really comparable given that it's just packing stuff 2016-10-13T03:40:37 < zyp> it'll pack whatever you pass into it as arguments 2016-10-13T03:40:56 < zyp> which is a feature, since it allows user to define it's own descriptors 2016-10-13T03:41:05 < zyp> which is a big thing in usb 2016-10-13T03:41:45 < zyp> anyway, the variadic function pattern itself isn't any more unsafe than your stream pattern 2016-10-13T03:42:09 < LeelooMinai> RIght, ok, would need to study it more, but USB may be on a bit higher abstraction level - so far I just write HAL to deal with regsiters directly and core peripherals. 2016-10-13T03:42:38 < zyp> hang on, let me type up some silly example 2016-10-13T03:42:40 < LeelooMinai> And constexpr work good so far - especially in C++14 where they improved them a lot. 2016-10-13T03:43:15 < LeelooMinai> Sans exploding compiler of course:p 2016-10-13T03:43:33 < LeelooMinai> But this was first time it happened to me. 2016-10-13T03:46:00 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/FCOPl <- consider this 2016-10-13T03:46:28 < zyp> now, calling stream_arguments(foo, x, y, z); is equivalent to doing foo << x << y << z; 2016-10-13T03:48:21 < zyp> works for any foo as long as operator<< returns the same type as you passed in, could be extended to work with any type by autodetecting return type if required 2016-10-13T03:49:03 < zyp> and it's still just as typesafe as invoking operator<< directly 2016-10-13T03:49:18 < LeelooMinai> Well, not sure if that woukd work for me. I have overloaded operators<< to do extra computing. 2016-10-13T03:49:39 < LeelooMinai> So depending on the type, it can do something else. 2016-10-13T03:49:59 < zyp> of course you have, it'll still invoke the right one for each argument 2016-10-13T03:50:32 < LeelooMinai> Ok, so what's the point really... 2016-10-13T03:51:07 < LeelooMinai> Instead of << you have () 2016-10-13T03:51:20 < zyp> yep 2016-10-13T03:51:32 < LeelooMinai> Not much gain imo:) 2016-10-13T03:52:32 < zyp> of course not, it just reads better :) 2016-10-13T03:52:59 < LeelooMinai> Meh, not for me. 2016-10-13T03:54:21 < zyp> the whole stream operator thing was mainly invented as a replacement for C++98's lack of typesafe variadic functions 2016-10-13T03:55:03 < zyp> (is my general impression) 2016-10-13T03:56:06 < zyp> I'm not a fan, and now that C++11 have fixed that, I don't see any point to keep using that 2016-10-13T03:57:01 < Laurenceb_> https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9763953&cid=53065587 2016-10-13T03:57:04 < zyp> nice, free toys 2016-10-13T03:57:05 < LeelooMinai> What is lepricon.flir.com? 2016-10-13T03:57:10 < LeelooMinai> lepton* 2016-10-13T03:57:27 < Laurenceb_> lul leprechaun 2016-10-13T03:57:45 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T04:00:20 < LeelooMinai> If he really died, they would have to change the script, but still could use the footage maybe... 2016-10-13T04:02:07 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T04:02:26 < Laurenceb_> http://trump.frost.works/ 2016-10-13T04:02:39 < LeelooMinai> Not so long ago Keysight had a promo for 2 weeks when they were giving multi-$k scope daily. I did not win though:/ 2016-10-13T04:03:51 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: Fail - I generated something that is much better than his stuff. 2016-10-13T04:04:03 < jadew> LeelooMinai, dark matter - not bad, I enjoy it 2016-10-13T04:04:07 < jadew> I like 2 the best 2016-10-13T04:04:19 < LeelooMinai> Uses language of a 17 yo instead of 10yo or so. 2016-10-13T04:04:36 < jadew> what are you talking about? 2016-10-13T04:05:01 < LeelooMinai> jadew: A, silly generator: http://trump.frost.works/ 2016-10-13T04:06:33 < jadew> it's just like that fluent aphasia we talked about 2016-10-13T04:06:36 < LeelooMinai> Tump is done anyways - I don't think he has much chance now. 2016-10-13T04:06:44 < jadew> what happened? 2016-10-13T04:07:10 < jadew> somone new showed up for the position? 2016-10-13T04:07:20 < jadew> *someone 2016-10-13T04:07:21 -!- fenugrec [~Q@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T04:07:55 < LeelooMinai> I mean those tapes of him talking on the bus - that was the beginning of his end probably. 2016-10-13T04:08:49 < jadew> what did he say? 2016-10-13T04:08:52 < LeelooMinai> I think even republicans now decided to distance themselves from him - too emberassing:) 2016-10-13T04:09:09 < LeelooMinai> And lol at DeNiro decribing Trump... 2016-10-13T04:09:19 < jadew> that's a good trait in a leader 2016-10-13T04:09:30 < jadew> you don't want a president who can't even grab pussy 2016-10-13T04:10:04 < LeelooMinai> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q-ZyW9bz5c <- lol... 2016-10-13T04:10:57 < jadew> oh well, I don't care either way 2016-10-13T04:11:09 < jadew> I'll lol no matter the outcome 2016-10-13T04:12:47 < LeelooMinai> It's still amazing that Trump almost got to be president - maybe it will be a good cautionary story for the future generations:) 2016-10-13T04:13:37 < jadew> when's the election? 2016-10-13T04:13:39 < LeelooMinai> In case someone will attempt to pull a troll like that again. 2016-10-13T04:13:51 < LeelooMinai> Probably in a month or so (?) 2016-10-13T04:14:04 < LeelooMinai> NOv 8 2016-10-13T04:14:32 < jadew> I might get my tweezers by then 2016-10-13T04:15:01 < jadew> I have feel the same level of anctiousness towards both events 2016-10-13T04:15:09 < LeelooMinai> ffs, I googled for election data, and even this way I get to look at the stupidity of Trump: http://i.imgur.com/5qdzRTE.png 2016-10-13T04:15:36 < jadew> lol 2016-10-13T04:17:24 < LeelooMinai> jadew: O ordered the white ones just to compare them:) 2016-10-13T04:17:53 < jadew> LeelooMinai, nice 2016-10-13T04:17:54 < LeelooMinai> Shooting range? 2016-10-13T04:17:59 < jadew> let me know how they turn out 2016-10-13T04:18:51 < LeelooMinai> The next slide: the dudes try bungie-jumping from that bridge screaming something about Trump being awsome" 2016-10-13T04:19:47 < LeelooMinai> jadew: How about heat test? With a flame? :) 2016-10-13T04:20:15 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Agree - will never happen 2016-10-13T04:20:21 < jadew> then you risk the posibility of needing new tweezers :) 2016-10-13T04:20:51 < LeelooMinai> Well, they have pictures of a little torch and those tweezers... 2016-10-13T04:21:01 < jadew> I saw 2016-10-13T04:21:31 < stvn> cool 2016-10-13T04:21:56 < stvn> sup man 2016-10-13T04:22:43 < LeelooMinai> R2COM is like some character from a rap video 2016-10-13T04:31:03 < stvn> i'm back at the shop this arvo doin some shit for my frien 2016-10-13T04:31:25 < stvn> afternoon 2016-10-13T04:31:55 < stvn> some aussie hillbilly speak 2016-10-13T04:34:00 < stvn> probably 2016-10-13T04:34:38 < stvn> i knew this guy in highschool who used to fuck his sister 2016-10-13T04:35:29 < stvn> nah 2016-10-13T04:35:39 < stvn> i kinda wanted to fuck her 2016-10-13T04:35:47 < stvn> but once i learned about that... 2016-10-13T04:35:48 < stvn> jesus 2016-10-13T04:36:13 < jadew> that's awful... it's like being married before being married 2016-10-13T04:36:48 < stvn> lol 2016-10-13T04:37:38 < jadew> stvn, did he tell you who started it? 2016-10-13T04:38:14 < stvn> no she told her boyfriend, he flipped out and went to kill the guy 2016-10-13T04:38:24 < jadew> haha 2016-10-13T04:38:41 < jadew> stvn, that's a weird reaction 2016-10-13T04:39:13 < stvn> i'd be disgusted too 2016-10-13T04:39:19 < jadew> being jelous on the girl's family is sick 2016-10-13T04:39:43 < stvn> well theres obviously enough to the story to suggest she wasn't a willing participant 2016-10-13T04:39:53 < jadew> stvn, ah! 2016-10-13T04:40:29 < jadew> in my experience girls initiate this kind of stuff, that's why I asked 2016-10-13T04:40:50 < stvn> ok 2016-10-13T04:47:06 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-13T04:58:00 < stvn> mooooooooooooooooooo 2016-10-13T05:04:30 < stvn> just gotta fix these munted dj bits and bill the dogs 2016-10-13T05:15:35 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T05:24:36 * stvn passes englishman a l0de 2016-10-13T05:54:52 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T06:06:15 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-13T06:06:40 -!- fenugrec [~Q@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-13T06:48:48 < emeb_mac> lols 2016-10-13T07:06:20 * LeelooMinai jumps in the seat 2016-10-13T07:06:35 < LeelooMinai> Man, this girl has one scary growl 2016-10-13T07:11:42 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:f53b:d8f6:56db:6820] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T07:12:58 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, that was not too bad. If someone like Arch Enemy kind of bands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VHA0H8peZ0&list=LL5SZB_A-Z0peexa8tGgGrzQ 2016-10-13T07:23:22 < stvn> farken METAL 2016-10-13T07:25:25 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:f53b:d8f6:56db:6820] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-13T07:25:25 < LeelooMinai> Metal is a pretty broad genre... 2016-10-13T07:26:18 < LeelooMinai> That was not exactly my kind, but pretty good for what it is. 2016-10-13T07:26:33 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T07:34:15 < upgrdman> metal seems like music for people that did not get enough attention as kids 2016-10-13T07:34:24 < upgrdman> bunch of emo faggots 2016-10-13T07:34:36 < stvn> as i got older i got bored of \m/ metal 2016-10-13T07:34:54 < LeelooMinai> Metal is a pretty broad genre 2016-10-13T07:35:27 < upgrdman> Faggotry is a pretty broad problem 2016-10-13T07:36:03 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: lol, ironically you now sound like someone who did not get enough attention as a kid:p 2016-10-13T07:36:11 < upgrdman> lol :) 2016-10-13T07:36:43 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6oXW_YiV6g so fucking gay its almost funny 2016-10-13T07:38:54 < LeelooMinai> That Once Human video, was not very elaborate - still fun. But you can go in different directions with Metal. Something more sophisticated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bmXGkwNs-k 2016-10-13T07:39:55 < upgrdman> this sounds so much better than that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrgO_9ey53M 2016-10-13T07:41:00 < LeelooMinai> Animals as Leaders has pretty awsome albums 2016-10-13T07:45:58 < stvn> i remember my crazy mac friend trolled scatman fans for years on youtube 2016-10-13T07:53:21 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T07:56:52 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-13T07:56:55 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-13T08:00:25 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-13T08:00:42 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T08:01:35 < upgrdman> which vid 2016-10-13T08:01:47 < upgrdman> ahh yes 2016-10-13T08:02:05 < stvn> orihime desu 2016-10-13T08:05:55 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-13T08:10:23 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T08:12:06 < dongs> zyp: it was somethign about retardeed clearances this board had clearances liek it was designed for 1980s fab 2016-10-13T08:18:28 < LeelooMinai> Damn, cannot get gcc to not to explode on this:/ 2016-10-13T08:19:25 < LeelooMinai> Is that other compiler, what was its name... c-something, much more mature than 2 years ago? Enyone used it for ARM here? 2016-10-13T08:19:38 < LeelooMinai> O, right 2016-10-13T08:20:38 < LeelooMinai> Probably not a sane idea, oh well... 2016-10-13T08:20:52 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0aad5f.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T08:21:45 * LeelooMinai makes a sad face and keeps looking for workaround 2016-10-13T08:22:20 < dongs> i can help 2016-10-13T08:22:24 < dongs> stop writing shit code 2016-10-13T08:23:51 < LeelooMinai> dongs: Just because the compiler has a bug, it does not mean the code is "shit"... 2016-10-13T08:23:56 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: what makes gcc explode? 2016-10-13T08:24:11 < LeelooMinai> Some constexpr's 2016-10-13T08:25:02 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Well, not much info there: http://i.imgur.com/oljVFpa.png 2016-10-13T08:28:17 < LeelooMinai> There are? What signature? 2016-10-13T08:42:34 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2016-10-13T08:46:29 < LeelooMinai> Found a way: uint32_t data[WordCount]{}; -> uint32_t data[WordCount]; 2016-10-13T08:46:50 < LeelooMinai> No idea why this exploded... I guess I need to initialize that array to 0's differently. 2016-10-13T08:47:49 < dongs> how about learning C instead 2016-10-13T08:47:55 < dongs> also lol @ VLA 2016-10-13T08:48:02 < dongs> youve got so much fail in there 2016-10-13T08:48:11 < LeelooMinai> dongs: I learned C when you were still using a ladder to climb your pissing pot:) 2016-10-13T08:48:19 < dongs> i bet 2016-10-13T09:11:04 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-13T09:31:38 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-3ab8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T09:31:54 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T09:32:13 < stvn> gooday fokes 2016-10-13T09:32:43 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-13T09:33:03 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T09:33:30 < stvn> gcc was based on chernobyl technologhy 2016-10-13T09:35:08 -!- c10ud^ 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funny or worth listening to his entire life 2016-10-13T15:01:36 < dongs> amirite. 2016-10-13T15:01:59 < Getty> oh i wasnt specific.... that was actually coming through my fun stream, and it is fun in some way and very very depressing on the other side ;) 2016-10-13T15:02:10 < dongs> heres a quick tip about american tv/radio personalities 2016-10-13T15:03:00 < dongs> hve they ever a) run a radio show named 'late ... with ...' b) have they ever run a tv show of similar name c) have they ever been invited to such tv show if any of the above is true then the person is a faggot and should be ignored 2016-10-13T15:03:59 < Getty> i am confused, like nearly all of the late night talkshow people are pretty sane, even tho i mean those international famous, i don't actually know how many of those shows you guys have 2016-10-13T15:04:02 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.38] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T15:04:07 < dongs> wrong 2016-10-13T15:04:32 < Getty> i mean beside david letterman, he was a dick 2016-10-13T15:04:46 < dongs> now youre just coming up with excceptions/excuses to a rule that simply works 2016-10-13T15:05:19 < Getty> i don't know, stephen colbert to take just one example is one of the most intelligent ones (or at least the team he combines ;) ) his jokes are... pretty spot on 2016-10-13T15:05:44 < dongs> colbert fails a ll 3 of those rules 2016-10-13T15:05:55 < Getty> oh isnt that like b) ? 2016-10-13T15:05:57 < dongs> forgot a fourth one too.. d) never been funny 2016-10-13T15:06:03 < Getty> OH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2016-10-13T15:06:04 < Getty> ok 2016-10-13T15:06:10 < Getty> then you are for sure right 2016-10-13T15:06:20 < Getty> ok ok! ;) then we just miscommunicated 2016-10-13T15:06:45 < Getty> yeah even this famous stern guy with the microphone in the face 2016-10-13T15:06:52 < Getty> sometimes..... he just says such a bull 2016-10-13T15:08:05 < dongs> dont watch/listen american tv/radio, problem solved 2016-10-13T15:08:14 < Getty> beside the funny late night ones ;) 2016-10-13T15:08:39 < Getty> yeah no, actually, most of those shows i watch via youtube, specific clips to specific topics that are related 2016-10-13T15:08:51 < Getty> always good to hear the colbert joke in between while getting depressed of the actual reality 2016-10-13T15:09:14 < Getty> i will miss the obama clips :( 2016-10-13T15:09:30 < Getty> I really hope he does make the t-shirt shop! 2016-10-13T15:10:35 < dongs> they should enforce copyright more on those 2016-10-13T15:10:39 < dongs> less garbage spamming youtube 2016-10-13T15:12:04 < Getty> well, they would not release a small clip of him making the joke ;) 2016-10-13T15:12:10 < Getty> "White House Fun Stream" 2016-10-13T15:15:12 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T15:17:15 < dongs> http://www.someecards.com/life/workplace/tamika-cross-doctor-plane/ lmao 2016-10-13T15:18:13 < Getty> 2016-10-13T15:18:20 < Getty> you just wanted to top my limbaugh, admit it 2016-10-13T15:25:32 < dongs> http://www.click2houston.com/news/911-operator-facing-charges-after-admitting-to-hanging-up-on-callers lmao x 2 2016-10-13T15:29:49 < Getty> crazy :) 2016-10-13T15:37:00 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-13T15:40:24 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T15:44:10 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has left ##stm32 [] 2016-10-13T15:46:18 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/BTC-ASIC-miner/ haha 2016-10-13T15:46:29 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T15:47:03 < Getty> 2016-10-13T15:52:32 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@pc-193-235-91-227.norrkoping.se] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Done again!I Recommend him for best work and services!!!” 2016-10-13T16:20:30 < dongs> could be one of those hackkitten types too 2016-10-13T16:21:28 < Steffanx> Dongs, you said no girls t irc, but damn you can be bitchy. 2016-10-13T16:21:34 < dongs> ^_^ 2016-10-13T16:21:46 < PaulFertser> Ahaha 2016-10-13T16:23:18 < dongs> nice1 stfn 2016-10-13T16:23:25 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-13T16:26:10 < Rob235> my sensor says I'm pulling 9 Amps at about 40% power.... 2016-10-13T16:26:17 < dongs> sounds right 2016-10-13T16:26:20 < Rob235> really? 2016-10-13T16:26:23 < dongs> yes. 2016-10-13T16:26:25 < Rob235> oh cool 2016-10-13T16:26:30 < dongs> shitcopters are like the most inefficient pieces of shit in existence 2016-10-13T16:26:54 < Rob235> it was idling at about 2 amps but i read these sensors are shit at low amp draw 2016-10-13T16:27:02 < Rob235> under 3 2016-10-13T16:27:29 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T16:27:54 -!- yuyut [4f01dd43@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.1.221.67] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T16:28:34 < Rob235> voltage is a bit off, seems high, I was getting high 17s on a 4S battery 2016-10-13T16:29:23 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T16:29:31 < yuyut> hey, some of you uses the STM32CubeMX to generate startup/config code? I need to insert a custom "user code" tag so it will be preserved after the next regeneration, but I couldn't find any way :( 2016-10-13T16:29:51 < dongs> why would you modify startup code? 2016-10-13T16:29:59 < dongs> what are you trying to do overall? 2016-10-13T16:30:20 < yuyut> dongs: just need to modify a library 2016-10-13T16:30:28 < yuyut> * the 2016-10-13T16:30:45 < yuyut> Because there is a bug 2016-10-13T16:30:48 < dongs> so wheres the problme? what is "startup"? you mean like startup asm or something? 2016-10-13T16:31:09 < dongs> generated cubemx code has shit like "<<>> 2016-10-13T16:31:14 < yuyut> No, sorry I mean configuration, pin settings etc 2016-10-13T16:31:15 < dongs> if you keep those tags, it won't touch them on update 2016-10-13T16:31:29 < dongs> works for me (tm) 2016-10-13T16:31:41 < yuyut> yes I sow it, but I cant add custo ones 2016-10-13T16:31:55 < yuyut> *saw 2016-10-13T16:32:16 < yuyut> *custom 2016-10-13T16:32:27 < yuyut> I have to use the already defined ones 2016-10-13T16:32:48 < yuyut> If I'll create a new custom one it will be removed 2016-10-13T16:33:10 < yuyut> dongs: doesn't do so also to you? 2016-10-13T16:33:30 -!- inca [~inca@50-232-219-66-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T16:33:43 -!- fenugrec [~Q@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T16:34:15 < karlp> yuyut: just put it in your top of main? 2016-10-13T16:35:17 < yuyut> karlp: what do you mean? 2016-10-13T16:35:55 < yuyut> I need to change the behaviour of a library and there is no user code there 2016-10-13T16:36:23 < yuyut> (with library I mean the HAL from ST) 2016-10-13T16:37:51 -!- c4017 [~c4017@node-1w7jr9qihf28vvcq8bw7hfki7.ipv6.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-13T16:37:52 -!- ka6sox is now known as zz_ka6sox 2016-10-13T16:38:39 -!- c4017 [~c4017@node-1w7jr9qihf28vvcq8bw7hfki7.ipv6.telus.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T16:38:41 < qyx> "experiments have found that more than about 0.25 in 2 to 0.5 in 2 of additional copper (in addition to the drain land) will yield little improvement in thermal performance." 2016-10-13T16:38:44 < qyx> hows that 2016-10-13T16:38:57 < qyx> for powerso8 2016-10-13T16:39:13 < karlp> "in 2" what units is this? 2016-10-13T16:39:15 < dongs> yuyut: just fix the "library" template inside cubemx code? 2016-10-13T16:39:28 < dongs> i mean insdie cubemx install dir or wherever the fuck it keeps it 2016-10-13T16:39:40 < dongs> or wait for newcubemx release with the fix 2016-10-13T16:39:53 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T16:40:10 < yuyut> dongs: oh right I can do that.. Thanks 2016-10-13T16:41:04 < qyx> karlp: inch squared 2016-10-13T16:41:27 < qyx> 0.25inch^2 to 0.5inch^2 2016-10-13T16:42:07 < karlp> ah, that makes sense now :) 2016-10-13T16:45:01 < yuyut> dongs: do you know where it keeps it? I hope not in a .zip file 2016-10-13T16:45:13 < dongs> so this fuckface flew in with a couple broken boards for me to fix 2016-10-13T16:45:42 < dongs> 2 100pin qfps on each, swapped places. and power input reverse protection had nfet instead of pfet 2016-10-13T16:45:56 < dongs> awesome assembly work 2016-10-13T16:56:32 < Rob235> dongs: last page second paragraph, talks about adding a filtering resistor... is that needed? whats it do? http://cdn.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Sensors/Current/DC%20Voltage%20and%20Current%20Sense%20PCB%20with%20Analog%20Output.pdf 2016-10-13T16:57:01 < Rob235> this was my horrible video for the current test btw, numbers in decivolts: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/99345853/20161012_164932.mp4 2016-10-13T16:57:13 < Rob235> deciamps 2016-10-13T16:57:16 < Rob235> ugh whats wrong with me 2016-10-13T16:59:32 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-13T16:59:33 < jadew> they must have some awesome power supplies and dummy loads to test that 2016-10-13T17:00:12 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T17:00:16 < Rob235> 9A with those motors/props just doesn't seem high enough to me, but its not like I know what I'm talkin about 2016-10-13T17:01:21 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@pc-193-235-91-227.norrkoping.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T17:01:40 < jadew> I was talking about the 50V / 180A sensor 2016-10-13T17:02:03 < Rob235> I know... NEVER TRUST eCALC!!! but it does say at hover (54% throttle) is 4.7A per motor 2016-10-13T17:02:09 < jadew> they need a 9000 Watts power supply 2016-10-13T17:02:32 < Rob235> oh yea I know, I was just talking about the video I posted 2016-10-13T17:04:33 < jadew> that would make a nice soldering iron 2016-10-13T17:05:07 < Rob235> I need to drain one of these lipos and test the sensor 2016-10-13T17:06:37 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T17:07:25 < yuyut> dongs: template are stored in a custom file format .ftl 2016-10-13T17:07:36 < yuyut> I can't change them :( 2016-10-13T17:07:37 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-13T17:07:40 < Rob235> I wish I could buy another sensor to test with but obviously there will be variations 2016-10-13T17:07:55 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T17:08:35 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host109-147-48-65.range109-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T17:09:32 < Rob235> I know the solution... or the way to the solution... get the sdcard datalogger working 2016-10-13T17:12:50 < Laurenceb_> yay sdcard dataloggers 2016-10-13T17:12:55 < Laurenceb_> pays my wages lol 2016-10-13T17:13:07 < Rob235> give me one 2016-10-13T17:13:32 < Rob235> that doesn't require a horse 2016-10-13T17:13:56 < Laurenceb_> I could send you pcb files and firmware is on my github 2016-10-13T17:14:08 < Laurenceb_> but its a bit big, I'm guessing you want small 2016-10-13T17:14:32 < Laurenceb_> so just make a stm32f103 board with µSD hanging off spi and usb also connected 2016-10-13T17:14:34 < Rob235> I'm good, I have the hardware, just working on the software 2016-10-13T17:14:46 < Laurenceb_> oh cool, you're all sorted 2016-10-13T17:14:56 < Laurenceb_> check my github 2016-10-13T17:15:10 < Rob235> I'm just worried about using the discovery board for everything, including datalogging 2016-10-13T17:15:21 < Rob235> I really wanted one of those datalagers 2016-10-13T17:15:23 < Laurenceb_> like half my projects are just standard datalogger code with other stuff copypastered in 2016-10-13T17:16:25 < Laurenceb_> prob most simple example https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32InertialMonitor 2016-10-13T17:27:04 -!- yuyut [4f01dd43@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.79.1.221.67] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 2016-10-13T17:28:02 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T17:28:28 < BenderTheMan> Could someone shine some light on what would be the replacement for GPIO_EXTILineConfig() on stm32f0 device? 2016-10-13T17:28:59 < BenderTheMan> I'm trying to port the library from F1 to F0 and it uses PC4 for falling edge detection (interrupt) 2016-10-13T17:29:13 < Rickta59> what is that one of those Progress Insurance driving dongles Laurenceb_ ? 2016-10-13T17:38:57 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-13T17:38:57 -!- fenugrec [~Q@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-13T17:41:17 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T17:41:21 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-13T17:43:11 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-13T17:46:16 -!- inca [~inca@50-232-219-66-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-13T17:46:34 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-13T17:48:18 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-13T17:49:48 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T17:53:34 -!- c10ud^^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T17:54:40 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T17:54:44 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2016-10-13T17:55:14 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T17:55:33 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-13T17:56:55 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-13T18:03:44 < BenderTheMan> How do I specify that I want this function to handle the specific interrupt request? 2016-10-13T18:03:48 < BenderTheMan> On F0 device 2016-10-13T18:04:31 < karlp> give it the right name 2016-10-13T18:04:34 < karlp> just like on f1 2016-10-13T18:04:44 < karlp> you're porting f1 to f0 code right? 2016-10-13T18:13:33 < BenderTheMan> Yes 2016-10-13T18:13:54 < BenderTheMan> I think I've set it up but something is wrong. I don't know if it's IRQ or something 2016-10-13T18:14:11 < BenderTheMan> I get micro stuck in infinite loop 2016-10-13T18:14:25 < BenderTheMan> How do I check which interrupts were fired and not handled in debugging mode? 2016-10-13T18:21:45 < Laurenceb_> Rickta59: close enough 2016-10-13T18:34:05 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@pc-193-235-91-227.norrkoping.se] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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By the hardfault handler :) 2016-10-13T20:25:40 < PaulFertser> BenderTheMan: what library do you use, the st shit library or hal or libopencm3? 2016-10-13T20:25:45 < PaulFertser> Or something else? 2016-10-13T20:28:55 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-19-73-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T21:11:26 < Thorn> any cheap small LDOs with a drop of ~100-150mV to power a stm32 from a 18650? 2016-10-13T21:17:22 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T21:19:55 < Thorn> thanks. 2016-10-13T21:22:26 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T21:22:40 < kakimir> cheap? 2016-10-13T21:22:52 < Rob235> if i were to say..... maybe that I want to make my own current sensor.... 150A, to put on my own pcb 2016-10-13T21:22:55 < vampi-the-frog> cheap cheap? 2016-10-13T21:23:01 < kakimir> you mean so cheap there is cheap copies of cheap? 2016-10-13T21:23:04 < Rob235> is that possible? 2016-10-13T21:23:27 < kakimir> yes 2016-10-13T21:23:36 < kakimir> what is problem with it Rob235 ? 2016-10-13T21:23:56 < Rob235> where can I find a schematic for a good one? 2016-10-13T21:24:07 < vampi-the-frog> I like the $2.50 dev boards you can get with a STM32F103C8T6 2016-10-13T21:24:50 < kakimir> Rob235: ypu just build it per shunt amplifier example circuit 2016-10-13T21:25:13 < Rob235> google here I come, thanks 2016-10-13T21:25:37 < kakimir> shunt amplifier as specific kind of amplifier chip 2016-10-13T21:25:52 < kakimir> so you can have common mode voltages and stuff 2016-10-13T21:26:02 < Rob235> http://bit.ly/2dMZlk1 2016-10-13T21:26:07 < Rob235> what about one of those types 2016-10-13T21:26:32 < Thorn> cheap as in anything that doesn't catch fire and is not a resistor/zener 2016-10-13T21:27:02 < kakimir> Rob235: only if it's based on hall sensor 2016-10-13T21:27:16 < Rob235> is shunt better? 2016-10-13T21:27:29 < kakimir> I meant the thing you inked 2016-10-13T21:27:30 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-19-73-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-13T21:27:49 < kakimir> transformer type works only for AC 2016-10-13T21:28:00 < Rob235> oh 2016-10-13T21:28:02 < kakimir> hall type sensing works for dc too 2016-10-13T21:28:04 < kakimir> DC 2016-10-13T21:28:10 < Rob235> I'm just looking for a good dc one that can do 150a 2016-10-13T21:28:16 < Rob235> I don't know what kinds are good 2016-10-13T21:28:19 < Rob235> or even what kinds there are 2016-10-13T21:28:30 < vampi-the-frog> does it work for Marvel too? 2016-10-13T21:28:38 < kakimir> what kind of bandwidth requirements you have? 2016-10-13T21:29:16 < Rob235> its for a hexacopter battery monitor, I'm not sure what my requirements are yet. Just looking into what's out there 2016-10-13T21:29:50 < kakimir> those things are popular 2016-10-13T21:29:57 < kakimir> even someone here has done those 2016-10-13T21:30:03 < kakimir> or multiple persons maybe? 2016-10-13T21:30:11 < vampi-the-frog> people* 2016-10-13T21:30:35 < Rob235> kakimir: was that last part to me? 2016-10-13T21:30:53 < Thorn> is it worth it to power leds (max ~100mA simultaneously) from the battery directly rather than through the ldo? 2016-10-13T21:31:19 < kakimir> it is Thorn 2016-10-13T21:31:28 < kakimir> don't heat up your LDO 2016-10-13T21:32:30 < kakimir> also have more stable rail? 2016-10-13T21:33:21 < Thorn> so that leds don't oscillate or something? 2016-10-13T21:33:33 < kakimir> how do you drive them? 2016-10-13T21:33:45 < kakimir> low side nmos fet? 2016-10-13T21:34:03 < Thorn> or npn 2016-10-13T21:34:09 < Thorn> dunno yet 2016-10-13T21:37:28 < kakimir> where is that oscillation comming from? 2016-10-13T21:38:04 < kakimir> what is feedback mechanism to it? and what is "it" oscillating? 2016-10-13T21:45:06 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T21:49:19 -!- fenug_ is now known as fenugrec 2016-10-13T21:51:34 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T21:54:19 < kakimir> just remember that pulldown resistor 2016-10-13T21:54:38 < kakimir> Rob235: did you come to any conclusion with current probing? 2016-10-13T21:54:48 < Rob235> yea, shunt amplifier 2016-10-13T21:54:58 < kakimir> you plant to make your own pcb? 2016-10-13T21:55:02 < Rob235> yea 2016-10-13T21:55:03 < kakimir> *plan 2016-10-13T21:55:33 < ReadErr> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuqktVIWIAEY3gT.jpg 2016-10-13T21:55:34 < ReadErr> rekt 2016-10-13T21:56:21 < Rob235> http://www.robotshop.com/en/lidar-lite-3-laser-rangefinder.html 2016-10-13T21:56:23 < Rob235> damn $150 2016-10-13T21:56:28 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZEJZWWFKaTlfN00?usp=sharing my current probing board 2016-10-13T21:56:31 < Rob235> sonar will do! 2016-10-13T21:56:41 < kakimir> mainly for those current jumpers on board 2016-10-13T21:57:06 < Rob235> ahh cool 2016-10-13T21:58:39 < kakimir> that chip has 500khz bandwidth 2016-10-13T21:59:03 < kakimir> not inexpensive one I think 2016-10-13T21:59:24 < kakimir> something between 5-10eur a pop 2016-10-13T22:05:35 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0aad5f.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T22:07:36 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-13T22:08:00 < kakimir> Laurenceb: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuqktVIWIAEY3gT.jpg 2016-10-13T22:12:28 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T22:26:44 < Tectu> jadew, ping 2016-10-13T22:28:50 < jadew> pong 2016-10-13T22:31:00 < Tectu> I'm fine, thanks 2016-10-13T22:31:02 < Tectu> how are you? 2016-10-13T22:31:44 < Tectu> jadew, if I have a string like this: /path/to/crap/*.foo and I have a string list and I want to "apply the wild card". How does one regex that? 2016-10-13T22:32:02 < Tectu> jadew, basically it woul dbe this, no? /path/to/crap/.+\.foo ? 2016-10-13T22:32:35 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-13T22:32:48 < jadew> and .* if you want to match the .foo file too (no name) 2016-10-13T22:33:12 < Tectu> uh? 2016-10-13T22:33:28 < jadew> you can have files with just an extension 2016-10-13T22:33:38 < jadew> also if you want to stop matching at / 2016-10-13T22:33:42 < jadew> [^/]+ 2016-10-13T22:33:45 < Tectu> nope, I need everything 2016-10-13T22:33:47 < Tectu> the entire thing 2016-10-13T22:33:54 < Tectu> every path that matches, including the .goo 2016-10-13T22:33:55 < Tectu> foo* 2016-10-13T22:34:24 < jadew> then .* should do it 2016-10-13T22:34:44 < jadew> and make sure you anchor it 2016-10-13T22:35:21 < Tectu> because? 2016-10-13T22:35:39 < Rob235> bosch just emailed me back, apparently the bno055 samples the gyro/accel at 2khz with a 2nd order digi LP filter 2016-10-13T22:35:40 < jadew> so you don't match whatever.foo/something_notfoo 2016-10-13T22:36:44 < Tectu> jadew, is this simply a matter of putting \b at the front of everything? 2016-10-13T22:36:56 < jadew> ^ at the start, $ at the end 2016-10-13T22:37:08 < jadew> ^/path/to/crap/.*\.foo$ 2016-10-13T22:37:44 < Tectu> oh, that was the reason why my regex failed so far 2016-10-13T22:37:51 < Tectu> :) 2016-10-13T22:37:52 < jadew> heh 2016-10-13T22:38:15 < Tectu> I have to read up on ^ and $. so far I only used \b 2016-10-13T22:38:41 < jadew> ^ matches at the start, $ at the end of the string 2016-10-13T22:38:54 < jadew> if you use the /m flag, they will match at the start and end of the line 2016-10-13T22:39:14 < jadew> so without /m, they match against the full string, with /m, they match on a per line basis 2016-10-13T22:39:30 < jadew> reading done :P 2016-10-13T22:39:42 < Tectu> haha, thanks man :) Much appreciated 2016-10-13T22:39:42 < Tectu> are ^ and $ portable or does that depend on the engine? 2016-10-13T22:39:52 < jadew> they all support them 2016-10-13T22:40:06 < jadew> at least the ones I used 2016-10-13T22:40:51 < Tectu> so now I have to figure out a regex to replace my /path/to/stuff/*.foo to/with ^/path/to/stuff/.+\.foo$ 2016-10-13T22:41:09 < Tectu> actually, I can just string replace * with .+\. or would that be a bad idea? 2016-10-13T22:42:15 < jadew> replace * with .* 2016-10-13T22:42:18 < jadew> and . with \. 2016-10-13T22:42:49 < jadew> in fact, replace * with .* and escape everything else 2016-10-13T22:44:10 < Tectu> string manipulation can be such a fuckery 2016-10-13T22:44:43 < Tectu> the problem is replacing * with .* and then escaping will screw up the previous step. Doing it the other way around won't work either because then it will escape * 2016-10-13T22:45:28 < jadew> you can first escape and then replace "escaped *" with .* 2016-10-13T22:45:33 < jadew> there's also a better way 2016-10-13T22:45:47 < Tectu> better tell me more about the better way 2016-10-13T22:45:55 < jadew> progressive replacing 2016-10-13T22:46:18 < jadew> so you evaluate a set of values to replace as you go over the string 2016-10-13T22:46:34 < jadew> that way you don't run the risk of replacing something in something you previously replaced 2016-10-13T22:46:40 < Tectu> oh boy 2016-10-13T22:46:53 < jadew> what language are you using? 2016-10-13T22:47:24 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFYoPAS9ZdQ music time jadew 2016-10-13T22:47:28 < Tectu> jadew, C++ / Qt 2016-10-13T22:47:51 < jadew> Tectu, are you using the ? 2016-10-13T22:47:54 < jadew> or some Qt faggotry? 2016-10-13T22:47:58 < Tectu> jadew, nope, QRegularExpression 2016-10-13T22:48:03 < Tectu> jadew, but that is fully Perl compatible 2016-10-13T22:48:03 < jadew> I see 2016-10-13T22:48:45 < Steffanx> Too much of the same kakimir 2016-10-13T22:49:40 < jadew> Tectu, see if you can do incremental replacing with it, then you evaluate each match and decide how you escape it 2016-10-13T22:49:54 < Tectu> jadew, that sounds like a lot of hassle :p 2016-10-13T22:52:33 < jadew> you can do it in a simple way 2016-10-13T22:53:38 < kakimir> Steffanx: it's not trance every day 2016-10-13T22:53:57 < jadew> string res; for (char c : str) { switch (c) { case '.': res += "\."; break; case '*': res += ".*"; break; default: res += c; } } 2016-10-13T22:55:26 < Tectu> and there we go with the fuckery 2016-10-13T22:55:46 < Tectu> actually not that bad thoguh 2016-10-13T22:56:35 -!- fenugrec_ [~Q@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T22:57:13 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2016-10-13T22:57:45 < jadew> just make sure you escape them all 2016-10-13T22:57:52 < jadew> ah, and "\\." 2016-10-13T22:58:01 < jadew> not "\." 2016-10-13T22:58:01 < Tectu> yeah, I was just about to mention that :) 2016-10-13T22:58:17 < Tectu> that solution is actually not as bad as I thought it would be 2016-10-13T22:58:25 < jadew> it's not 2016-10-13T22:59:24 < Tectu> I'm always not sure what to do if my regex works well in RegexBuddy but not in my QRegularExpression 2016-10-13T22:59:41 < jadew> you start removing chunks of it 2016-10-13T23:00:00 < Tectu> eg. now I am doing /path/to/*/foo/bar/crap/*.c and that becomes /path/to/.*/foo/bar/crap/.*\\.c which regexbuddy tells me is just fine 2016-10-13T23:00:06 < Tectu> (actually works in the test mode) 2016-10-13T23:00:22 < jadew> any chance / is a special character? 2016-10-13T23:00:39 < Tectu> where? in Regex? nope 2016-10-13T23:00:46 < Tectu> also, it works fine with just /path/to/stuff/*.c 2016-10-13T23:01:03 < jadew> how could it work with that? 2016-10-13T23:01:04 < Tectu> so no reason why /path/*/stuff/*.c shouldn't work 2016-10-13T23:01:25 < Tectu> well, after the progressive replacement to convert it to a regex pattern 2016-10-13T23:01:26 < jadew> you mean it's matching /path/to/stuff//////////////////////////////xc? 2016-10-13T23:01:36 < jadew> ah 2016-10-13T23:01:50 < jadew> what's the resulting string? 2016-10-13T23:02:13 < Tectu> /path/to/*/foo/bar/crap/*.c and that becomes /path/to/.*/foo/bar/crap/.*\\.c 2016-10-13T23:02:31 < jadew> yeah, looks fine 2016-10-13T23:02:39 < jadew> case sensitivity? 2016-10-13T23:02:51 < jadew> anchors? 2016-10-13T23:03:03 < ohsix_> how did you end up using regex on a path 2016-10-13T23:03:08 < Tectu> case sensitivity: how would using wildcard instead of the actual word affect that? 2016-10-13T23:03:14 < Tectu> anchors: same as before, ^ and $ 2016-10-13T23:03:30 < jadew> Tectu, wildcard wouldn't, but if the rest is different, it might 2016-10-13T23:03:33 < ohsix_> oic you were doing something like globbing 2016-10-13T23:03:37 -!- ohsix_ [ohsix@72.35.133.5] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 2016-10-13T23:03:47 < Tectu> jadew, I take the string that already works in this C++ program we just wrote and just add another wildcard in the middle of the path 2016-10-13T23:03:54 < jadew> kakimir, I could listen that to sleep 2016-10-13T23:04:02 < Tectu> ohsix, yes, that's what I am doing 2016-10-13T23:04:17 < jadew> Tectu, how do you know it's not working? 2016-10-13T23:04:21 < jadew> what are you testing it against? 2016-10-13T23:04:44 < Tectu> jadew, a list of about 50 strings that is actually a search result from my file system. I use the same input in regexbuddy 2016-10-13T23:04:48 < jadew> man... I didn't drink coke for a day and my head hurts like hell 2016-10-13T23:05:29 < jadew> I went to the store and got some coke 2016-10-13T23:05:46 < Tectu> jadew, actually, /path/to/*/foo/bar.c doesn't work either. the wildcard only works if it's the file name before the extension :p 2016-10-13T23:05:50 < jadew> I'll have to slowly switch the sparkling water 2016-10-13T23:06:00 < Tectu> you can get coke in the store? One only gets that in clubs and at the train station around here 2016-10-13T23:06:23 < jadew> Tectu, maybe it's a stupid regex flavor 2016-10-13T23:06:29 < jadew> try [^/] instead of . 2016-10-13T23:06:41 < jadew> so [^/]* instead of .* 2016-10-13T23:06:58 < Tectu> QRegularExpression::DotMatchesEverythingOption 2016-10-13T23:07:00 < Tectu> does that ring a bell? 2016-10-13T23:07:05 < Tectu> The dot metacharacter (.) in the pattern string is allowed to match any character in the subject string, including newlines (normally, the dot does not match newlines). This option corresponds to the /s modifier in Perl regular expressions. 2016-10-13T23:07:05 < jadew> Tectu, of course... what's life without gas? 2016-10-13T23:07:12 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T23:07:37 < jadew> Tectu, yeah, that shouldn't affect it 2016-10-13T23:07:44 < jadew> it should backtrack until it matches 2016-10-13T23:08:01 < Tectu> your changes proposed above don't change anything 2016-10-13T23:08:16 < jadew> keep it tho, it's more strict than the . 2016-10-13T23:08:31 < jadew> and I don't know what else could be wrong 2016-10-13T23:08:50 < jadew> if you say regexbuddy says it's ok, we can only assume that your regex engine is wrong 2016-10-13T23:09:33 < jadew> ohsix, we already went over that :) 2016-10-13T23:10:32 < Thorn> use python's os.path and write a short script 2016-10-13T23:10:42 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.219.167] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-13T23:11:20 < Tectu> nah, need this functionality in a C++ program, not going to call external stuff for that 2016-10-13T23:12:16 < Thorn> isn't there boost::filesystem or something 2016-10-13T23:12:26 < Thorn> boost::filesystem::path 2016-10-13T23:13:30 < Tectu> ohsix, this is about not wanting to launch an external process. Also, this would require the target machines to have python available. 2016-10-13T23:13:54 < Tectu> ohsix, QDir doesn't help here as I am operating on a QStringList. Those paths I am working with don't come from the local file system 2016-10-13T23:14:39 < Tectu> QRegExp is deprecated... 2016-10-13T23:14:46 < Tectu> but thanks for trying so hard ;) 2016-10-13T23:16:00 < Tectu> it is still available in the most recent release 2016-10-13T23:16:10 < Tectu> but you don't start using stuff that is clearly marked as obsolete/deprecated 2016-10-13T23:16:19 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@c-a46fe555.06-213-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T23:16:20 < Tectu> this is not some homework project that nobody cares about in 2 months 2016-10-13T23:16:53 < Tectu> in the documentation. 2016-10-13T23:16:58 < Steffanx> I don't see it in the docs. 2016-10-13T23:17:01 < Tectu> It has been deprecated for a long time 2016-10-13T23:17:02 < Steffanx> http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qregexp.html no "warning" 2016-10-13T23:17:24 < Tectu> Note: In Qt 5, the new QRegularExpression class provides a Perl compatible implementation of regular expressions and is recommended in place of QRegExp. 2016-10-13T23:17:31 < Steffanx> "and is recommended in place of QRegExp" != deprecation 2016-10-13T23:17:33 < Tectu> and it's marked as deprecated/obsolete in the source code 2016-10-13T23:17:42 < Tectu> jadew, found the issue 2016-10-13T23:17:44 < Tectu> time to fix & shower 2016-10-13T23:17:52 < jadew> Tectu, what was it? 2016-10-13T23:18:51 < Steffanx> Tectu is just in "I want to listen to jadew and no one but jadew"-mode ;) 2016-10-13T23:19:03 < Tectu> jadew, I am using my /path/to/*/fuckery/*.c string to assemble the list that I later use to run the regex on. What I did until now (because right now doing simple proof-of-concept prior to implementing it in a larger application) is simply using basepath() on that. So it cut off the *.foo at the end but obviously doesn't handle the * in the middle 2016-10-13T23:19:14 < Tectu> Steffanx, no, tectu is in "honor the documentation mode" 2016-10-13T23:19:35 < Tectu> QRegExp is known to cause a lot of trouble 2016-10-13T23:19:41 < Tectu> that's why it got replaced 2016-10-13T23:19:48 < jadew> Tectu, ah, so it was a case of bad imput :) 2016-10-13T23:19:59 < Tectu> jadew, jup :) 2016-10-13T23:21:02 < Tectu> thanks for your help, jadew. Much appreciated :) 2016-10-13T23:21:06 < jadew> np 2016-10-13T23:24:09 < Tectu> that is not even remotely related to anything I am doing 2016-10-13T23:25:41 < Tectu> oh, match actually implements globbing? 2016-10-13T23:25:56 < Tectu> damn... 2016-10-13T23:26:25 < Tectu> lol no 2016-10-13T23:26:30 < Tectu> QDir::match() does exactly what I want 2016-10-13T23:26:40 < Tectu> or not 2016-10-13T23:26:42 < Tectu> gimme a sec 2016-10-13T23:26:54 < Tectu> yes it does 2016-10-13T23:26:55 < Tectu> great 2016-10-13T23:26:58 < Tectu> ohsix <3 2016-10-13T23:27:16 < Steffanx> Screw you for helping him, ohsix :P 2016-10-13T23:27:42 < Tectu> ohsix, yes, it's static 2016-10-13T23:27:44 < Tectu> Steffanx, lol why? 2016-10-13T23:28:14 < Tectu> at which point have I been rude? 2016-10-13T23:28:19 < BrainDamage> "you have a problem, you decide to use regular expressions, now, you have 2 problems" 2016-10-13T23:28:37 < Steffanx> Hah, i was waiting for you to say that BrainDamage. Thank you. 2016-10-13T23:28:53 < Tectu> feel more like 15897125 problems though 2016-10-13T23:29:32 < Steffanx> bike as in bicycle? 2016-10-13T23:29:55 < Tectu> uhm, that wasn't meant to be rude in any way 2016-10-13T23:30:24 < Steffanx> unpoop it ohsix 2016-10-13T23:30:34 < Tectu> sorry though 2016-10-13T23:30:36 < Tectu> and thanks for the help 2016-10-13T23:31:01 < Tectu> you broke your car? Or did it break itself? 2016-10-13T23:31:47 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@c-a46fe555.06-213-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Tony has left the building] 2016-10-13T23:31:51 < Steffanx> What fancy car does ohsix hansihe? 2016-10-13T23:31:55 < Steffanx> *have 2016-10-13T23:32:04 < Steffanx> not sure why i auto-completed that. 2016-10-13T23:32:32 < Tectu> ohsix, ok, QDir::match() solution is working nicely :p 2016-10-13T23:32:44 < Tectu> thx man 2016-10-13T23:33:29 < Steffanx> How many km did ohsix drive with that? 2016-10-13T23:34:13 < Tectu> that doesn't sound like a whole lot 2016-10-13T23:34:25 < Steffanx> i mean in total. What's on the "clock"? 2016-10-13T23:35:04 < Steffanx> that's not much either. 2016-10-13T23:35:26 < Steffanx> even my 2007 car has 130k km 2016-10-13T23:36:13 < Steffanx> i thought americans drove a loooot. 2016-10-13T23:36:21 < Tectu> our previous Subaru Legacy 96 got up to 286k km 2016-10-13T23:36:26 < Steffanx> *drive 2016-10-13T23:36:46 < Steffanx> poor engine, in the mountains of swisserland. 2016-10-13T23:43:08 < Tectu> time for some sleep 2016-10-13T23:43:10 < Tectu> cu folks 2016-10-13T23:43:32 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-13T23:44:49 -!- rcc [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T23:44:55 -!- rcc [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-13T23:44:56 -!- rcc [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-13T23:47:27 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-13T23:50:33 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-13T23:52:33 < BenderTheMan> What is the proper way to read byte over SPI on STM32F0 device? 2016-10-13T23:52:37 -!- rcc is now known as jadew 2016-10-13T23:52:59 < BenderTheMan> Do I wait for RXNE flag to be set or do I just use SPI_RecieveData8() ? 2016-10-13T23:53:41 < aadamson> BenderTheMan, using CUBE or Stdperiph? 2016-10-13T23:53:49 < BenderTheMan> stdperiph 2016-10-13T23:53:55 < aadamson> either if you download the library has examples 2016-10-13T23:54:17 < aadamson> SPI on the F0 is much easier than I2C IMHO, but both are there as well --- Day changed Fri Oct 14 2016 2016-10-14T00:00:09 < BenderTheMan> Can you point me to those examples? when I try to pool RXNE, I get in infinite loop :( 2016-10-14T00:00:43 < Thorn> master or slave? 2016-10-14T00:00:54 < Thorn> if master, you have to initiate the transfer 2016-10-14T00:01:16 < BenderTheMan> Master 2016-10-14T00:01:26 < BenderTheMan> I'm trying to control W5500 ethernet chip over SPI 2016-10-14T00:01:53 < BenderTheMan> But when I'm trying to read the config, I always get some non-consistent data. As if IP and MAC and Gateway are constantly changing numbers 2016-10-14T00:02:08 < BenderTheMan> I'm guessing my reading command is too fast or not correct in some other way 2016-10-14T00:02:23 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-14T00:04:08 < Thorn> are cpha/cpol correct? 2016-10-14T00:06:23 < BenderTheMan> They seem to be. I checked with scope 2016-10-14T00:06:46 < BenderTheMan> Before I was getting some data but it is incomplete or corrupt. At least I think it is. 2016-10-14T00:07:03 < BenderTheMan> But there is response on MISO line and there is CLK line activity 2016-10-14T00:12:47 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-3ab8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-14T00:17:38 < karlp> Thorn: found a good ldo yet? there's a bunch in sot23-5.ldos.dongs, some of them probably have v.low drop out as well 2016-10-14T00:20:06 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75:0:3147:b9b7:f994:1781] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-14T00:20:29 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@c-a46fe555.06-213-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T00:20:32 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-14T00:35:13 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2016-10-14T00:40:16 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-14T00:53:20 < karlp> a117 what? 2016-10-14T00:59:09 < kakimir> what does these directions of signals matter in ltspice? 2016-10-14T00:59:12 < kakimir> nothing but looks? 2016-10-14T01:00:06 < kakimir> is there spice channel? 2016-10-14T01:00:15 < LeelooMinai> Yes, #dune 2016-10-14T01:00:50 < kakimir> how do you consume spice? 2016-10-14T01:01:49 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: What do you mean "directions of signals"? If this is some graphics feature, post a creenshot or something... No idea what you are asking there. 2016-10-14T01:03:07 < kakimir> as you wish 2016-10-14T01:04:30 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKTEJsRHZvMzVTV2c/view?usp=sharing 2016-10-14T01:05:11 < jadew> man... I could never get used to LT spice 2016-10-14T01:05:46 < jadew> feels like something that was quickly thrown together 2016-10-14T01:06:37 < jadew> they put like... no effort into making it usable, they're one toolbar short of making it a command line tool 2016-10-14T01:08:52 < kakimir> some dude in linear tech basement propably threw it together somewhere in 90s 2016-10-14T01:09:41 < kakimir> just remember them random shortcuts 2016-10-14T01:09:53 < karlp> if you'r eusing lipos with built in protection circuitry, do you really need to do anything in your app? can the user just leave the device on until the battery runs out and it turns off? 2016-10-14T01:09:57 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0aad5f.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2016-10-14T01:10:00 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: I think this may matter when you make models of subcircuits. 2016-10-14T01:10:49 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Here's en example of those: http://www.sgh1.net/b4/ltspice-subcircuit-block-parameter 2016-10-14T01:11:18 < BrainDamage> karlp: can the batteries ever be replaced with non protected version? 2016-10-14T01:11:47 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2016-10-14T01:11:59 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: But for analog you would use bidirectional probably. Maybe those are checked when you model digital circuits - don't know. 2016-10-14T01:12:28 * LeelooMinai closes ltspice before she gets depressed 2016-10-14T01:12:46 < LeelooMinai> Here, gone, much better 2016-10-14T01:13:57 < Thorn> karlp: yeah I found mic5504-3.3 cheap in the qty I need, thanks 2016-10-14T01:13:58 < karlp> BrainDamage: I guess they _could_ 2016-10-14T01:14:10 < karlp> I'm only mkaing ~5 of them, and providing the batteries. 2016-10-14T01:14:17 < LeelooMinai> lol @ tv show people thinking youtube content producers are idiots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxKtH5OnxI4 2016-10-14T01:14:22 < karlp> BrainDamage: what do you need to add if they do? 2016-10-14T01:14:25 < kakimir> she as in you or someone else? 2016-10-14T01:14:46 < BrainDamage> the protection circuit, at the device side 2016-10-14T01:14:51 < kakimir> #stm32-girls 2016-10-14T01:15:05 < karlp> one of those dw01 shitz or something else? 2016-10-14T01:15:19 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Are you one of those chanelnged people that think that only men can use IRC? 2016-10-14T01:15:33 < LeelooMinai> dongs & company 2016-10-14T01:15:51 < Thorn> Dave showed that video in his video http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/531/557/a88.jpg 2016-10-14T01:15:51 < kakimir> no I saw girls irc before I did 2016-10-14T01:15:56 < karlp> dw01 says it cuts off at 2.4v which I think my app will have stopped running anyway at that point. 2016-10-14T01:16:05 < karlp> ldo will have cut out, leds will be turned off 2016-10-14T01:16:20 < kakimir> like it was popular stuff there were like 50% women 2016-10-14T01:16:57 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: There is probably still a lot, but many figured that it's easier to be taken seriously if they pretend they are men:p 2016-10-14T01:16:59 < jadew> good times 2016-10-14T01:17:14 < jadew> bullshit, they went on facebook 2016-10-14T01:17:16 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@c-a46fe555.06-213-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-14T01:17:20 < kakimir> I still see you all as men 2016-10-14T01:17:21 < jadew> like the rest of the losers 2016-10-14T01:17:35 < LeelooMinai> Things are much simpler this way - you don't have do deal with people like dongs:) 2016-10-14T01:17:55 < karlp> BrainDamage: but in the protected batteries case, there's no reason to do anything extra device side? 2016-10-14T01:18:13 < BrainDamage> nothing apart from brownout detection 2016-10-14T01:18:20 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: That's another thing. It's also easier to communicate by talking in the nerd/men mannter - it's an adaptation strategy. 2016-10-14T01:18:41 < jadew> LeelooMinai, what's the other way? 2016-10-14T01:18:57 < LeelooMinai> If you talk the normal way, people will see you as "too soft" and an easy target:) 2016-10-14T01:19:14 < jadew> I assumed we all talk the normal way 2016-10-14T01:19:18 < LeelooMinai> jadew: There's no other way, if you want to fit:) 2016-10-14T01:19:20 < BrainDamage> karlp: the dw will work, the reason why brownout on the device is not sufficient is because if the user is shitty and leaves it long unpowered the leak current will continously drain the battery until it reaches the unsafe treshold 2016-10-14T01:19:34 < LeelooMinai> jadew: lol, right, wrong channel:p 2016-10-14T01:20:05 < LeelooMinai> I certainly don't talk in RL same as on IRC... 2016-10-14T01:20:32 < jadew> I do... I guess that's why I manage to piss off so many people 2016-10-14T01:20:45 < Thorn> whew found my old dicktrace libraries from 2014 2016-10-14T01:21:08 < LeelooMinai> What, DipTrace is not a bad EDA imo, for the price. 2016-10-14T01:21:17 < LeelooMinai> DipTrace > Eagle:) 2016-10-14T01:21:20 < jadew> it's better than eagle 2016-10-14T01:21:22 < jadew> yeah :P 2016-10-14T01:21:23 < BrainDamage> karlp: the safety circuit needs to also block recharging and deem the battery as dead when that voltage is met 2016-10-14T01:22:04 < karlp> what I naively want is to put the battery and the battery charger on the board, and it has a usb that will charge or power, and they can do _ntohing_ special. 2016-10-14T01:22:17 < karlp> and walking away and coming back and it's out of batter doesn't mean, "you need to buy a new batter now" 2016-10-14T01:22:36 < karlp> the built in protection circuits cut out so low that the battery's _dead_? 2016-10-14T01:22:39 < LeelooMinai> karlp: Did you see those new batteries they have with usb socket for charging? :) 2016-10-14T01:24:48 < LeelooMinai> You could just expose the socket on it in your project probably. 2016-10-14T01:25:09 < LeelooMinai> But would need to check what happens when it's being charged like that. 2016-10-14T01:25:28 < LeelooMinai> I mean the 18650 ones 2016-10-14T01:26:27 < BrainDamage> karlp: no, they have 2 cutoffs, one they stop the discharge, anoher when they consider the battery to be dead 2016-10-14T01:27:40 < BrainDamage> karlp: howrever, if they leave the device unpowered for several months sitting at the lowest charge, eventually it'll erode that margin and fall to "dead", and there' nothing you can do about it 2016-10-14T01:28:35 < BrainDamage> the only thing you can do is set he "battery discharged" trehold high enough to give enough time for the user to plug it back 2016-10-14T01:28:56 < karlp> that requires some sort of feedback to go and plug it in. 2016-10-14T01:29:11 < karlp> at that point they could just take the battery out of the holder though surely. 2016-10-14T01:29:20 < BrainDamage> default values for most common ics give you like 8-12 months at room temp 2016-10-14T01:29:49 < LeelooMinai> englishman: After you sign a concract like that, this dude appars:p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzEwJ31F82A 2016-10-14T01:30:05 < karlp> yeah, ok. I'll just say, "take the batter out when you put it in the cupboard" 2016-10-14T01:30:09 < karlp> it's a christmas light thingy 2016-10-14T01:30:33 < karlp> now just to figure out how low the voltage for these ws2812s can realllly be. 2016-10-14T01:31:13 < karlp> there's a schottky after the battery to stop the usb from charging it directly, but that drops a bit more volage. ws2812 datahseet says 3.5v minimum. 2016-10-14T01:32:58 < kakimir> jah jah 2016-10-14T01:33:13 < kakimir> *yyah* 2016-10-14T01:33:26 < karlp> heh thorn, LDS3985 hjas only 0.4mV dropout at 1mA laod current :) 2016-10-14T01:34:31 < Thorn> does it need capacitors made from ancient Chinese ceramics to stabilize or something? 2016-10-14T01:35:17 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-14T01:36:08 < karlp> Thorn: just says, "Stable with low ESR ceramic capacitors" and then also has a "bypass" pin that also needs a cap :) 2016-10-14T01:37:00 < Thorn> this micrel thing also needs a 3rd cap 2016-10-14T01:39:21 < karlp> Thorn: huh? not listed on the application diagram in the datasheet I'm reading? 2016-10-14T01:42:06 < Thorn> yeah I confused it with mic5318 which I also considered 2016-10-14T01:42:54 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-14T01:43:03 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T01:43:19 * karlp is just going over dong's list 2016-10-14T01:43:43 < Thorn> dongslist.com 2016-10-14T01:46:29 < karlp> huh, digikey's links for the SPX3819M5-L-3-3/TR go to a 404 on exar 2016-10-14T01:46:31 < karlp> thanks exar 2016-10-14T01:46:41 < Thorn> when I do web for hire I need to justify using python over php. when I do electronics I need to justify not using arduinos :/ 2016-10-14T01:47:07 < Thorn> I've actually used that part and even have a few left I think 2016-10-14T01:47:52 < kakimir> http://www.spaw-serwiscz.pl/pub/czesci_zamienne_esab/0456%20267%20001%20R.pdf what I'm about to drive with cortex mcu 2016-10-14T01:47:59 < Thorn> but 340mV is a lot of mV 2016-10-14T01:48:08 < LeelooMinai> Seems I used it too; sounded familiar: http://i.imgur.com/K4fbIUb.png 2016-10-14T01:48:16 < karlp> yeah, it's on the adafruit board I'm ripping off, bought 10 on ebay/ali or somewhere but yeah, doesn't sound real helpful. 2016-10-14T01:48:28 < karlp> might have to replace it. 2016-10-14T01:48:49 < karlp> lot of Iq too. 2016-10-14T01:48:50 < kakimir> there is a schematic - old fashion all analog stuff 2016-10-14T01:50:02 < kakimir> and there is even schematics for circuit boards but you can not comprehende a single thing because it's weird all affects everything analog stuff 2016-10-14T01:50:23 < karlp> Thorn: what are you making? 2016-10-14T01:51:20 < Thorn> cheapest possible boards with cheapest MCU and the least possible number of other parts, qty 50 2016-10-14T01:51:32 < Thorn> controllers for some kid's game 2016-10-14T01:53:38 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T02:01:45 < karlp> Thorn: where'd you get the mic5504 from? it looks super awesome, but I was trying to avoid a digikey shipping charge 2016-10-14T02:02:03 < Thorn> from englishman 2016-10-14T02:03:19 < Thorn> me? stm32f030k6 2016-10-14T02:04:39 < Thorn> $0.8 qty 50 2016-10-14T02:04:45 < Thorn> familiarity 2016-10-14T02:06:02 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: http://www.futureelectronics.com/en/technologies/semiconductors/microcontrollers/32-bit/Pages/3038310-STM32F030F4P6.aspx?IM=0 2016-10-14T02:06:07 < Thorn> I even have a f0 discovery somewhere 2016-10-14T02:07:08 < Thorn> I'm pretty sure I'm going to need more glue logic with fewer GPIOs than the qfp32 has 2016-10-14T02:07:25 < Thorn> but thanks for the pointer 2016-10-14T02:09:19 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Then this: http://www.futureelectronics.com/en/Technologies/Product.aspx?ProductID=STM32F030K6T6STMICROELECTRONICS9059223&IM=0 2016-10-14T02:09:51 < karlp> englishman's a parts distributor now? handy :) 2016-10-14T02:16:05 < Thorn> wow looks like their cheapest shipping is $75 2016-10-14T02:16:13 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T02:16:19 < Thorn> even farnell is several times more reasonable 2016-10-14T02:16:20 < stvn> welcome englishman 2016-10-14T02:16:37 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: ... where are you, on the Moon? :p I pay $8 to Canada. 2016-10-14T02:18:48 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/vzjamWd.jpg 2016-10-14T02:20:27 < Thorn> LeelooMinai: the nonexistent country between Romania and San Marino http://www.futureelectronics.com/en/policies/Documents/InternationlFlatRate.pdf 2016-10-14T02:21:22 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Hmm, I guess it makes sense only for US/Canada then. 2016-10-14T02:21:30 < Thorn> (why is Romania $75? it's EU?) 2016-10-14T02:21:54 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Well, it will still make sense, if you order a lot maybe:) 2016-10-14T02:22:08 < stvn> englishman: i stole it from reddit, was going to ask did i see your cat doing walkies in a harness 2016-10-14T02:22:55 < Thorn> actually there're mail forwarder services too if there's a neeed 2016-10-14T02:23:01 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Seems that it's even less to Canada -- $7.5 2016-10-14T02:23:19 < LeelooMinai> And thats CDN so moe like $5-6 2016-10-14T02:24:25 < LeelooMinai> So, imo, want cheap STM32s - move to Canada (not to US, because, you know, elections) 2016-10-14T02:25:34 < Thorn> or cheap used test equipment 2016-10-14T02:26:43 < LeelooMinai> I still don't know which one is it - Vatican? :) 2016-10-14T02:28:38 < Thorn> >betweeen Romania and San Marino -- alphabetically not geographically lol 2016-10-14T02:29:31 < BrainDamage> italy doesn't exist in that table either 2016-10-14T02:29:33 < LeelooMinai> So Russia? :) 2016-10-14T02:30:08 < LeelooMinai> I heard that Italian customs suck. 2016-10-14T02:30:14 < BrainDamage> they do big time 2016-10-14T02:30:34 < BrainDamage> many chinese sellers flat out refuse because people assume the package was never sent 2016-10-14T02:30:38 < stvn> i gotta check my privilege 2016-10-14T02:30:55 < Thorn> Russian customs also suck if they detain your package but they only have 24 hrs to do it 2016-10-14T02:31:00 < BrainDamage> average _air mail_ customs delay is 3 weeks 2016-10-14T02:31:38 < BrainDamage> all trackers report me 3-4 days from seller sending to linate customs, then it's a blackhole of 3-5 weeks 2016-10-14T02:32:17 < BrainDamage> also, they are kinda anal about regulations, but it's not necessarily a bad thing 2016-10-14T02:33:42 < BrainDamage> eg once i bought some blades which also had a medical/cosmetic use, they detained the package and asked me to sign a weaver that i'd never resell or if i spout anoher arm it'd be my responsibility and not covered by the national healthcare 2016-10-14T02:34:07 < BrainDamage> because the package description included the possible medical/cosmetic use 2016-10-14T02:34:47 < BrainDamage> so they actually check evry goddamn package, but fuck the 3 weeks delay 2016-10-14T02:38:12 < Thorn> R2COM: Russia 2016-10-14T02:44:10 < Thorn> R2COM: they exist since the soviet times, e.g. http://tda2000.ru/pic/foto/big023/Ft023377.jpg 2016-10-14T02:44:45 < Thorn> old school hams and designers still use it (unless the product is supposed to be manufactured in China) 2016-10-14T02:44:59 < Thorn> young ones don't probably know much about them 2016-10-14T02:45:48 < Thorn> there is a line of non-military cirtex-M mcus that nobody uses anyway 2016-10-14T02:45:54 < Thorn> *cortex-M 2016-10-14T02:49:31 < Thorn> you'd need to read journals to know what the state of the art is. none of the new stuff that does exist is mass-marketed 2016-10-14T02:50:16 < Thorn> I haven't heard anything about up-to-date FPGAs 2016-10-14T02:50:33 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-14T02:51:16 < Thorn> there was something licensed from altera but it's obsolete by now 2016-10-14T02:51:47 < Thorn> yeah I tried getting a quote from them once lol 2016-10-14T02:55:48 < stvn> the dadrods 2016-10-14T02:56:42 < jadew> what's a pizdet? it means a cunt (when refering to a woman, in romanian) 2016-10-14T02:56:47 < Thorn> there were steady supply channels for the military even in the 70s-80s thanks to the GRU, even without China 2016-10-14T02:56:48 < jadew> or well, cunts 2016-10-14T02:57:17 < jadew> also, I don't think that's the US - China relationship 2016-10-14T02:57:27 < jadew> IMO China has the upper hand 2016-10-14T02:58:21 < Thorn> not just info, actual hardware 2016-10-14T02:58:31 < jadew> R2COM, hah, didn't know that 2016-10-14T02:58:36 < jadew> is that word pizda by any chance? 2016-10-14T02:59:38 < jadew> heh 2016-10-14T03:00:35 < jadew> funny, we when we say pizdet it usually has the meaning of "the young cunts" 2016-10-14T03:00:53 < jadew> I don't use it tho 2016-10-14T03:01:43 < jadew> by young cunts I meant 17-25 or so, doesn't really apply outside that range 2016-10-14T03:03:18 < jadew> pula 2016-10-14T03:03:41 < jadew> what? :) 2016-10-14T03:03:51 < jadew> lol 2016-10-14T03:03:55 < jadew> haha 2016-10-14T03:04:44 < jadew> how do you say dick in russian? 2016-10-14T03:05:08 < jadew> doesn't sound like anything 2016-10-14T03:05:12 < stvn> nice 2016-10-14T03:06:02 < jadew> haha 2016-10-14T03:06:15 < stvn> gimme a farken tinny cheers mate 2016-10-14T03:06:21 < stvn> :D 2016-10-14T03:06:38 < jadew> we have a very common sequence of words that sound like fuck you 2016-10-14T03:06:50 < jadew> they mean "I do it" or "I'll do it" 2016-10-14T03:06:55 < LeelooMinai> Maybe stvn can talk aboriginal language 2016-10-14T03:07:05 < jadew> so if you're english, you would hear a lot of "fuck you" in here 2016-10-14T03:07:08 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-14T03:08:02 < jadew> right, aren't there some weird people still living there? 2016-10-14T03:08:03 < stvn> LeelooMinai: eyy bruddah you got a spare coin, got a goonbag? 2016-10-14T03:08:30 < LeelooMinai> That was in aboriginal? :p 2016-10-14T03:08:36 < stvn> only aborigines i've seen in AU were begging for money and or drinking in the city 2016-10-14T03:08:55 < stvn> and that is not even BS 2016-10-14T03:09:10 < LeelooMinai> Right, well, I guess the rest died or something... 2016-10-14T03:09:59 < jadew> apparently that's what an Australian aboriginal looks like: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/1b/9f/29/1b9f29067a272b1fad525a17c6bada07.jpg 2016-10-14T03:10:08 < LeelooMinai> stvn: Do you have some room left there for US people from south? :p 2016-10-14T03:10:41 < stvn> R2COM: ate her pussy 2016-10-14T03:10:56 < jadew> R2COM, my wife has lips like that, I don't need to imagine 2016-10-14T03:11:03 < stvn> the queen mate 2016-10-14T03:11:32 < stvn> it happened on the night prince harry dressed as a nazi 2016-10-14T03:11:44 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Maybe in comic books... 2016-10-14T03:12:18 < LeelooMinai> The real ones: http://www.crystalinks.com/aboriginals.jpg :) 2016-10-14T03:12:27 < stvn> lol 2016-10-14T03:12:31 < jadew> haha 2016-10-14T03:13:04 < LeelooMinai> Imagin combin that hair... 2016-10-14T03:13:06 < jadew> they look like they came out of a road runner cartoon 2016-10-14T03:13:12 < jadew> and a bomb went off 2016-10-14T03:13:14 < stvn> in all seriousness i heard britain is just as bad or worse than AU 2016-10-14T03:13:58 < LeelooMinai> Maybe the sun in Australia is so hot that it makes your hair curl 2016-10-14T03:14:29 < LeelooMinai> Otherwise they seem pretty friendly:) 2016-10-14T03:14:34 < stvn> mines straight 2016-10-14T03:14:35 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-14T03:15:50 * LeelooMinai looks at R2COM with amusement 2016-10-14T03:16:24 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You should make a blog about your adventures on internet 2016-10-14T03:17:57 < jadew> for that chick it's also the face that makes her lips look weird 2016-10-14T03:18:09 * LeelooMinai opens a box with 2μ resolution test indicator from Ali 2016-10-14T03:18:24 < jadew> what's that? 2016-10-14T03:18:54 < LeelooMinai> One of those metalworking things that can measure tiny displacement, but this one is not digital - it has an actual needle 2016-10-14T03:19:07 < jadew> ah 2016-10-14T03:19:20 < jadew> thought it's something for calibrating the microscope 2016-10-14T03:19:43 < jadew> that's your g/f? 2016-10-14T03:19:46 < LeelooMinai> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/0-2-mm-0-002-mm-dial-indicator-gauge-dial-test-indicator-metric-measurement-tools/32669472444.html 2016-10-14T03:20:35 < jadew> LeelooMinai, how does it work? 2016-10-14T03:20:57 < upgrdman> wonder if its like 2um resolution an 1mm repeatability 2016-10-14T03:21:14 < jadew> R2COM, my wife 2016-10-14T03:21:17 < jadew> R2COM, my wife's are bigger 2016-10-14T03:21:29 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I don't know how it's build internally. 2016-10-14T03:21:31 < jadew> the upper one especially 2016-10-14T03:21:47 < jadew> don't know about the lower one 2016-10-14T03:22:00 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, but how do you use it? 2016-10-14T03:22:17 < upgrdman> looks like a dial indicator 2016-10-14T03:22:17 < jadew> I don't know what it does 2016-10-14T03:22:17 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: For those you just observe relative changes anyways, and it will repeat 2016-10-14T03:22:36 < upgrdman> google it 2016-10-14T03:22:40 < upgrdman> common machinist tool 2016-10-14T03:22:45 < upgrdman> ya 2016-10-14T03:22:52 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Well, dial indicator is similar, but this is "test dial indicator" - the difference being that it measures smaller displacement and from the side. 2016-10-14T03:23:19 < upgrdman> R2COM, specs of sig gen? 2016-10-14T03:23:31 < jadew> wasn't someone else working on a sig gen too? 2016-10-14T03:23:37 < upgrdman> so like DC to 1kHz. cool 2016-10-14T03:24:06 < jadew> I found some cheap signal generators on e-bay 2016-10-14T03:24:08 < LeelooMinai> jadew: if you touch the ball-ended probe it will move the needle:) That's all it does - measures tiny displacements. You use it, for example, to reference some points on a metal workpiece when doing machining. 2016-10-14T03:24:13 < upgrdman> sig gen with an ADC? lolwut 2016-10-14T03:24:26 < upgrdman> oh ok 2016-10-14T03:24:28 < jadew> LeelooMinai, ah, nice, thanks for explaining 2016-10-14T03:26:00 < LeelooMinai> That's an expensive part. 2016-10-14T03:26:32 * LeelooMinai watches how it falls from R2COM's desk and he steps on it 2016-10-14T03:26:42 < jadew> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-CH-AD9959-200MHz-DDS-Signal-Generator-500MSPS-Software-12864-LCD-Display-/331711702324?hash=item4d3b8ee534:g:FWMAAOSwIwhWTPxF 2016-10-14T03:27:13 < upgrdman> $60? that ~free if you're making products that'll bring in mone 2016-10-14T03:27:14 < upgrdman> money 2016-10-14T03:27:55 < jadew> I got that part 2016-10-14T03:28:02 < LeelooMinai> I remember how once I planned to make something with this chip (but much less sps,) and I ended up buying a full board from Ali and desoldering it from there because it was still 2x cheaper than from Digi:) 2016-10-14T03:28:16 < jadew> just saying that if you don't need anything specific, that board looks like a good option 2016-10-14T03:28:23 < upgrdman> bbl 2016-10-14T03:28:24 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-14T03:28:33 < jadew> LeelooMinai, heh 2016-10-14T03:29:08 < jadew> I think it has memory too 2016-10-14T03:29:17 < jadew> might do AWG too 2016-10-14T03:29:46 < jadew> ah, no memory 2016-10-14T03:29:55 < jadew> well, you can still drive it with an FPGA or something 2016-10-14T03:30:06 < LeelooMinai> Dev board for that ic: $800 - wee... 2016-10-14T03:30:15 < jadew> but if I needed a simple sig gen, I'd get that 2016-10-14T03:30:33 < LeelooMinai> Yours 2016-10-14T03:31:07 < LeelooMinai> http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/AD9739-R2-EBZ/AD9739-R2-EBZ-ND/2606969 2016-10-14T03:31:39 < jadew> R2COM, nice 2016-10-14T03:32:19 < jadew> what's the output impedance? 2016-10-14T03:32:28 < LeelooMinai> You could also use FPGA + super fast DAC 2016-10-14T03:33:13 < LeelooMinai> You are using words that make my eyes water 2016-10-14T03:33:16 < jadew> R2COM, yeah, but if you have to buffer it, you'll probably run into other problems 2016-10-14T03:34:02 < jadew> for example, you'll have a hard time finding a 1 GHz opamp 2016-10-14T03:35:25 -!- Thaolia| [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-14T03:36:17 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-14T03:36:29 < jadew> ah, you set the impedance via the output network, that's good 2016-10-14T03:37:40 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T03:37:46 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Did you see those cheap network analyzers that go up to 3GHz on ali that can be used to test your board? 2016-10-14T03:37:47 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T03:37:57 < jadew> LeelooMinai, link? 2016-10-14T03:38:28 < jadew> ah, network analyzer 2016-10-14T03:38:48 < jadew> I was thinking spectrum analyzer and it didn't register well with "cheap" 2016-10-14T03:38:57 < Laurenceb_> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/10/13/1539214/english-man-spends-11-hours-trying-to-make-cup-of-tea-with-wi-fi-kettle 2016-10-14T03:39:04 < LeelooMinai> E, nm 2016-10-14T03:39:10 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T03:39:56 < LeelooMinai> But when he finally made it, it was the best tea ever, so worth it 2016-10-14T03:40:03 < jadew> wow: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NWT6000-25M-6G-Frequency-Sweeper-Sweeping-Signal-Generator-Simple-Spectrum-Analyzer-Network-Analyzer/32700115387.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.2.R2U9ai&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_116_10065_117_10068_114_115_10069_113_10017_10080_10082_10081_10060_10061_10062_10056_10055_10054_10059_10078_10079_10073_10070_421_420_10052_10053_10050_10051,searchweb201603_3&btsid=74feb1e7-e9b0-4e7c-9ada-6f17788f5b2b 2016-10-14T03:41:23 < LeelooMinai> No way I would buy anything like this from Ali without someone looking inside in some teardown at least:) 2016-10-14T03:41:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T03:42:25 < jadew> yeah, but only 3 GHz 2016-10-14T03:44:32 < Laurenceb_> MiniVNA is what the emdrivers use 2016-10-14T03:44:44 < LeelooMinai> The who? 2016-10-14T03:45:35 < Thorn> instead of the flux capacitor? 2016-10-14T03:45:46 < Thorn> no wonder they failed 2016-10-14T03:45:57 < ds2> the spectrum analyzer is only part of it... connectors get $$$ way up there 2016-10-14T03:46:39 < ds2> where do you get reliable connectors cheap? 2016-10-14T03:47:03 < ds2> hehe 2016-10-14T03:47:10 < jadew> and you throw away half of them 2016-10-14T03:47:13 < ds2> SMA? 2016-10-14T03:47:14 < LeelooMinai> I remember the Signal Path guy having a video on connectors and some had scary prices - but I think those were metrology crade mostly 2016-10-14T03:47:24 < LeelooMinai> grade* 2016-10-14T03:48:52 < LeelooMinai> I think this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kwamCh1QkE 2016-10-14T03:54:51 * upgrdman <- 2016-10-14T03:55:14 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/user/upgrdman/videos 2016-10-14T03:56:26 < upgrdman> :) 2016-10-14T03:56:53 < LeelooMinai> 200 part of 4chan cross-link network:p 2016-10-14T03:56:58 < LeelooMinai> 2000* 2016-10-14T03:58:23 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-14T04:00:07 < jadew> subscribed 2016-10-14T04:01:08 < upgrdman> thanks. dont expect gold :) most of my ad revenue is from arduino/pi stuff :( 2016-10-14T04:01:22 < upgrdman> seems like the more fun i have, the less ad rev i get from it 2016-10-14T04:02:04 < jadew> heh 2016-10-14T04:02:26 < jadew> as I was listening to that guy rant earlier, I was thinking of starting a channel too 2016-10-14T04:02:58 < jadew> but sounds like too much trouble 2016-10-14T04:03:27 < jadew> I'll try to record something next time I build something for fun 2016-10-14T04:03:27 < LeelooMinai> If you put arduino and pi in the same title, say "How to connect PI to Arduino using an old hairdryer cable", you probably guarantee a lot of hits. 2016-10-14T04:03:40 < jadew> haha 2016-10-14T04:04:24 < Thorn> he's camming again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCy7--Gq95U 2016-10-14T04:05:31 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T04:06:49 < jadew> I don't really like that guy 2016-10-14T04:06:51 < jadew> don't know why 2016-10-14T04:07:26 < jadew> he never seems to say anything interesting 2016-10-14T04:07:34 < Thorn> he looks like the type that would teach PUA classes or something 2016-10-14T04:08:11 < jadew> I had to google that 2016-10-14T04:08:30 < upgrdman> some of my viewers... lol... "Hi, can I use arduino + android at the same workspace? I have doubt that it cannot work because arduino use C++ and android will be using Java. 2016-10-14T04:08:30 < upgrdman> Thanks in advance." so much wrong in one comment 2016-10-14T04:08:36 < jadew> didn't know picking up chicks was a skill 2016-10-14T04:09:01 < jadew> upgrdman, what did you reply? 2016-10-14T04:09:05 < upgrdman> i havent 2016-10-14T04:09:14 < jadew> good choice 2016-10-14T04:09:14 -!- inca [~inca@50-232-219-66-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-14T04:09:51 < Laurenceb_> lul he is the new RooshV 2016-10-14T04:11:13 < Laurenceb_> lul @ Trump 2016-10-14T04:11:19 < stvn> upgrdman: nice comment there 2016-10-14T04:11:24 < Laurenceb_> he has Great, Great, respect for women 2016-10-14T04:11:33 < Laurenceb_> truly epic respect for women 2016-10-14T04:11:42 < stvn> lol 2016-10-14T04:12:23 < LeelooMinai> I am almost sad that he lost chances for winning - I was hoping for some epic election day:) 2016-10-14T04:12:59 < Laurenceb_> lul we could enjoy the dramaz right up to the point where he was elected 2016-10-14T04:13:00 < jadew> if you think about it, that pussy remark does imply that he has little respect for women 2016-10-14T04:13:22 < jadew> I guess I didn't see it like that before 2016-10-14T04:13:35 < jadew> but it's probably how everone else took it 2016-10-14T04:13:40 < jadew> *everyone 2016-10-14T04:13:52 < Laurenceb_> then again if there is a Brexit level swing he might win still 2016-10-14T04:14:13 < Laurenceb_> my dad rang me earlier 2016-10-14T04:14:14 < LeelooMinai> No way... There would be a revolt or something:) 2016-10-14T04:14:24 < Laurenceb_> "so I hurd u voted Brexit" 2016-10-14T04:14:27 < Laurenceb_> RACIST 2016-10-14T04:14:28 < upgrdman> i wonder, can the repub's replace him this late in the game? 2016-10-14T04:14:28 < jadew> lol 2016-10-14T04:14:57 < jadew> IIRC the republicans didn't even want him 2016-10-14T04:15:02 < LeelooMinai> Maybe with that Alex Jones guy:p 2016-10-14T04:15:06 < jadew> they got stuck with him because people wanted him 2016-10-14T04:15:21 < Laurenceb_> "next you will be voting for Trump" 2016-10-14T04:15:22 < jadew> right, I haven't seen that Alex Jones guy in a while 2016-10-14T04:15:28 < jadew> I wonder what happened to my recommendations 2016-10-14T04:15:31 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T04:15:34 < Laurenceb_> lol 2016-10-14T04:15:52 < Laurenceb_> what were you watching, "inside bohemian grove" ? 2016-10-14T04:16:03 < LeelooMinai> I keep sining him on SecularTalk 2016-10-14T04:16:07 < LeelooMinai> seeing* 2016-10-14T04:16:27 < jadew> yeah, I guess I stopped watching stuff like that for a while 2016-10-14T04:16:32 < jadew> and I feel much better 2016-10-14T04:16:36 < jadew> that shit filled me with rage 2016-10-14T04:16:39 < Laurenceb_> heh 2016-10-14T04:17:07 < Laurenceb_> so anyways, my dad starts ranting about Trump 2016-10-14T04:17:13 < Laurenceb_> I ask him where he is 2016-10-14T04:17:19 < Laurenceb_> "in Thai brothel" 2016-10-14T04:17:24 < jadew> lol 2016-10-14T04:17:28 < Laurenceb_> I'm like "who respects women now" 2016-10-14T04:19:43 < jadew> I take it your dad is single? 2016-10-14T04:19:48 < Laurenceb_> yes 2016-10-14T04:19:58 < jadew> that's always weird 2016-10-14T04:20:01 < Laurenceb_> he is also banned from 12 countries 2016-10-14T04:20:12 < jadew> heh, why? 2016-10-14T04:20:34 < Laurenceb_> drugs, hookers 2016-10-14T04:20:59 < Laurenceb_> I recently had to bail him out when he got arrested at LAX for having illegal shit in carry on luggage 2016-10-14T04:21:28 < jadew> he must think you're a nerd 2016-10-14T04:21:49 < Laurenceb_> yes, we don't get on 2016-10-14T04:22:25 < Laurenceb_> lulwut I just got 2 jars from Sainsburys 2016-10-14T04:22:33 < Laurenceb_> no shortage 2016-10-14T04:22:35 < jadew> Laurenceb_, was he like that since you were little or it's a recent development? 2016-10-14T04:23:40 < Laurenceb_> always, aiui it was a one night stand 2016-10-14T04:24:12 < Laurenceb_> too much information ^ 2016-10-14T04:24:54 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: I would not worry - Jon Snow was a bastard son and he turned out ok 2016-10-14T04:25:01 < jadew> haha 2016-10-14T04:27:08 < jadew> when my dad was alone he flet it's ok to share details about some of his sexual adeventures too 2016-10-14T04:27:41 < Laurenceb_> better than randomly ringing you up at work to talk about it 2016-10-14T04:27:48 < jadew> lol 2016-10-14T04:27:59 < upgrdman> this guy sub'd to me. dat mustache, lol https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHaznwjzjMq7TePGLChE2dw 2016-10-14T04:28:29 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Is that you? 2016-10-14T04:28:33 < jadew> no 2016-10-14T04:28:43 < jadew> but I just realized he now knows my yt account :P 2016-10-14T04:28:47 < aandrew> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Ceramic-Middle-Finger-Coffee-Cup-Personality-Office-Gift-Have-A-Nice-Day-Mug-/121857045340 lol 2016-10-14T04:29:48 < jadew> looks hot 2016-10-14T04:30:23 < LeelooMinai> It's ceramic 2016-10-14T04:30:51 < upgrdman> jadew, i dont know your account. i can only see if you make your subs public 2016-10-14T04:31:12 < Laurenceb_> http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=41252.msg1598513#msg1598513 2016-10-14T04:31:16 < jadew> upgrdman, ah, cool, cuz I was just looking through mine to see if there's anything embarrasing 2016-10-14T04:31:40 < upgrdman> not like i'd care, lol. 2016-10-14T04:31:55 < upgrdman> im the one posting WTF shit in here 2016-10-14T04:32:51 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: I would think it's not that hard to fly something uo areound the launch area and take, say, IR image to see if there are snipers around or something like that... 2016-10-14T04:32:59 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2016-10-14T04:33:07 < Laurenceb_> drone with thermal camera 2016-10-14T04:33:32 < LeelooMinai> From what I saw it's just swamps around - it's not like they can hide in many places. 2016-10-14T04:34:23 < LeelooMinai> To make it fun they could make a swarm of patroling quadcopters or something. 2016-10-14T04:35:08 < Laurenceb_> https://www.rt.com/news/165024-proton-booster-sabotage-investigation/ 2016-10-14T04:35:10 < Laurenceb_> heh 2016-10-14T04:38:36 < stvn> stm32 updatez 2016-10-14T04:39:20 < Thorn> why is sum() a builtin in python but not reduce() 2016-10-14T04:41:15 < Thorn> he ignored my chaturbate comment 2016-10-14T04:41:39 < jadew> he? 2016-10-14T04:41:52 < Thorn> Mr. Rossmann 2016-10-14T04:42:02 < jadew> he's on chaturbate now? 2016-10-14T04:42:22 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCy7--Gq95U 2016-10-14T04:42:31 < jadew> I was kidding 2016-10-14T04:42:56 < Laurenceb_> lul he looks like he would have one 2016-10-14T04:43:10 < jadew> I gave up on chaturbate 2016-10-14T04:43:59 < jadew> just when I thought I found a pretty one, she makes a cute face and proceeds to lick her hairy armpit 2016-10-14T04:46:01 < Thorn> there was a very cute girl from Poland ~2 years ago, and then she stopped shaving 2016-10-14T04:46:19 < jadew> on her face? 2016-10-14T04:46:39 < Thorn> probably face too 2016-10-14T04:47:42 < jadew> I don't feel like working tonight 2016-10-14T04:48:17 < jadew> don't feel like cleaning my deks either 2016-10-14T05:04:18 -!- fenugrec_ [~Q@108.161.164.103] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 2016-10-14T05:05:22 -!- fenugrec_ [~Q@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T05:08:06 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-14T05:11:12 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T05:12:39 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T05:13:46 < stvn> jadew: what cha do 2016-10-14T05:14:05 < jadew> cleaning my desk 2016-10-14T05:14:39 < jadew> actually, cleaning around the desk 2016-10-14T05:14:46 < jadew> I accumulated a mountain of trash 2016-10-14T05:14:53 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-14T05:15:00 < stvn> i see 2016-10-14T05:15:22 < upgrdman> are you still aiming your webcam at your crotch? 2016-10-14T05:15:24 < stvn> i'm just going to get a factory 2016-10-14T05:15:43 < stvn> probably have a shopfront and sell hentai 2016-10-14T05:15:57 < jadew> upgrdman, no, I fixed that :P 2016-10-14T05:16:14 < upgrdman> bummer 2016-10-14T05:19:55 < stvn> i'll sell hentai and hotdogs 2016-10-14T05:27:55 < LeelooMinai> :/ http://i.imgur.com/etB6aIU.png 2016-10-14T05:28:20 < dongs> "around" 2016-10-14T05:28:28 < dongs> i like the precision 2016-10-14T05:29:00 < LeelooMinai> The values are wrong. I think I need something else than this doc... 2016-10-14T05:29:25 < jadew> come on 2016-10-14T05:29:34 < jadew> it's obviously 6 2016-10-14T05:29:54 < jadew> 4, 5, 6, 7 2016-10-14T05:29:58 < dongs> MSIRAGE 2016-10-14T05:30:08 < dongs> also, why not just look at the CMSIS header file. 2016-10-14T05:30:12 < jadew> 110 2016-10-14T05:30:14 < stvn> rc shit 2016-10-14T05:30:23 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Right, but now that's a guess:) 2016-10-14T05:30:44 < jadew> LeelooMinai, not really :P 2016-10-14T05:30:51 < jadew> there are only 4 values in those 2 bits 2016-10-14T05:30:55 < jadew> 3 of them are taken by the other ones 2016-10-14T05:32:04 < LeelooMinai> Ok, ok, consultet CMSIS - but every time something like this happens, my confidence in docs lowers, so that's bad. 2016-10-14T05:32:07 < jadew> well, I guess it could be 4 MHz for for 101 and 2 MHz for 110, but I doubt that 2016-10-14T05:32:39 < LeelooMinai> btw, CMSIS for this micro is a 14k lines header:) 2016-10-14T05:33:03 < dongs> 11k lines in F4xx header 2016-10-14T05:33:04 < dongs> so wat 2016-10-14T05:33:29 < LeelooMinai> Well, so everytime I include it in C++ code I wonder if there are any acronyms left I can use:p 2016-10-14T05:34:03 < LeelooMinai> Have to be careful not to name something, say, RCC for example. 2016-10-14T05:34:33 < LeelooMinai> In any place, any namespace, everywhere - that's why I don't like using plain C. 2016-10-14T05:35:24 < jadew> my initials are RCC 2016-10-14T05:35:45 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I wonder if I could, I don't know... just take this header and shove it into some namespace for my code... 2016-10-14T05:35:52 < jadew> all my libraries are a variation of that 2016-10-14T05:35:55 < LeelooMinai> But those #defines:/ 2016-10-14T05:36:30 < LeelooMinai> I would need to replace them with something and I don't feel like doing it for 14k lines of code... Since there are macros in there and I cannot do it globally. 2016-10-14T05:36:56 < jadew> you could if you had a proper IDE 2016-10-14T05:37:06 < jadew> what are you using? 2016-10-14T05:37:38 < jadew> I can rename anything in VS 2016-10-14T05:37:47 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I meant that I cannot just replace #define with say constexpr uint32_t because it can be defining a macro. 2016-10-14T05:38:05 < jadew> ah 2016-10-14T05:38:19 < LeelooMinai> Lame C is lame 2016-10-14T05:40:05 < upgrdman> another comment i got "Dear Sir. 2016-10-14T05:40:05 < upgrdman> i have seen your video and by the help of that i have successfully visualized an analogue pin .i want to include two digital inputs and an analogue input to this same gui for a project .am not good good at programming am more from the mechanical field.please help.waiting for your reply.thanks in advance" 2016-10-14T05:40:13 < dongs> indian detected 2016-10-14T05:40:14 < dongs> please send codes 2016-10-14T05:40:17 < LeelooMinai> binary literals ftw: http://i.imgur.com/AMsV0pa.png 2016-10-14T05:40:22 < upgrdman> dongs, 100% 2016-10-14T05:40:31 < dongs> LeelooMinai: fuck gcc-isms 2016-10-14T05:40:43 < LeelooMinai> dongs: That's C++14 :) 2016-10-14T05:40:46 < dongs> incorrect. 2016-10-14T05:41:00 < LeelooMinai> Err... 2016-10-14T05:41:06 < dongs> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Binary-constants.html 2016-10-14T05:41:09 < dongs> "C Extensions" 2016-10-14T05:41:15 < Thorn> http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=2209021 2016-10-14T05:41:16 < dongs> proprietary, non-standard 2016-10-14T05:41:42 < Thorn> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16334024/difference-between-gcc-binary-literals-and-c14-ones 2016-10-14T05:41:44 < LeelooMinai> dongs: No, I was correct - it's C++ 14 standard. 2016-10-14T05:41:52 < dongs> holy fuck that example code in Thorn's article 2016-10-14T05:41:59 < dongs> closed page as soon as I got to there 2016-10-14T05:42:06 < dongs> awful spacing/indentation/style 2016-10-14T05:42:18 < dongs> probably the kinda people who use c++14 2016-10-14T05:42:55 < Thorn> as opposed to those stuck with outdated $6000 compilers? 2016-10-14T05:43:12 < LeelooMinai> dongs: If you did not notice my literals were in the form 0bxxxx - that's valid for both the extension and C++14 2016-10-14T05:43:29 < LeelooMinai> I think the diff is in the separator - _ vs ' 2016-10-14T05:44:00 < Thorn> long decval = 1'048'576; 2016-10-14T05:44:04 < LeelooMinai> ' is nicer 2016-10-14T05:44:18 < LeelooMinai> imo, but my editor seems not to color it properly:) 2016-10-14T05:44:24 < dongs> i'll stick with compilers that actualy work thx 2016-10-14T05:44:29 < dongs> which means vstudio and armcc 2016-10-14T05:44:36 < LeelooMinai> gcc does not work now? 2016-10-14T05:44:36 < dongs> and neither of htem supports this retarded gcc-only extension 2016-10-14T05:44:48 < dongs> correct, as is illustrated by your whining during hte last week+ 2016-10-14T05:45:13 < LeelooMinai> I am not whining - just coding and sometimes commenting on something:) 2016-10-14T05:46:05 < LeelooMinai> Considering how fubared the C++ standard is, gcc is doing not bad imo. 2016-10-14T05:46:28 < LeelooMinai> They are also, I think, always ahead with standard support with respect to, say, MS. 2016-10-14T05:46:30 < jadew> I didn't know about the digit separator thing 2016-10-14T05:46:35 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/wi1gKk1.gifv 2016-10-14T05:46:40 < dongs> what I think about gcc 2016-10-14T05:46:42 < jadew> now we need IDEs to automatically move that around as you edit the digit 2016-10-14T05:46:45 < jadew> *digits 2016-10-14T05:47:14 < jadew> pfew... I thought someone is going to fall 2016-10-14T05:48:02 < LeelooMinai> So, err, what... "gcc is like a joy ride"... what's going on there? :p 2016-10-14T05:48:21 < dongs> maybe youneed to upgrade your CRT monitor 2016-10-14T05:48:23 < dongs> or open your eyes 2016-10-14T05:48:28 < LeelooMinai> Someone spilled popcorn? 2016-10-14T05:48:36 < stvn> fuckin hell 2016-10-14T05:49:18 < LeelooMinai> Maybe threw up? I don't know - not enough detail:) 2016-10-14T05:49:52 < stvn> had too much open sauce 2016-10-14T05:50:06 < LeelooMinai> I know - there was a child there that was holding a new built lego dinosaur. 2016-10-14T05:50:59 < LeelooMinai> Could be also premeditated science experiment. 2016-10-14T05:55:49 < LeelooMinai> dongs has such a weird nick. Imagine if it was used in movie titles. 2016-10-14T05:56:09 < LeelooMinai> Like "Gone With the Dongs" or "Citizen Dongs" 2016-10-14T05:56:24 < LeelooMinai> "The Dongsfather" 2016-10-14T05:56:26 < Thorn> Attack of the 50-Foot Dongs 2016-10-14T05:57:19 < LeelooMinai> The Three Muskeeteers and Dongs 2016-10-14T05:58:36 < dongs> why are you filling this channel wiht autism? 2016-10-14T05:58:52 < LeelooMinai> I blame your nick:p 2016-10-14T06:09:34 < jadew> upgrdman, what camera are you using? 2016-10-14T06:10:04 < upgrdman> in what vid 2016-10-14T06:10:13 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKC5jK7TYKM 2016-10-14T06:10:16 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Don't join the dark side of youtube content providers... 2016-10-14T06:10:52 < upgrdman> jadew, lol you're even watching my old shit videos. that was a nexus4 camera 2016-10-14T06:11:19 < jadew> LeelooMinai, could be fun 2016-10-14T06:11:35 < jadew> upgrdman, what are you using now? 2016-10-14T06:11:39 < LeelooMinai> Right, wait till the trolls infect your comment sections - that will be fuin for sure... 2016-10-14T06:11:57 < Thorn> I think he misaligned that QFN 2016-10-14T06:13:17 < upgrdman> jadew, i was using my canon t3i but honestly my cell phone's 4k video looks better. just wish my phone wasnt as wide angle 2016-10-14T06:13:30 < upgrdman> im tempted to start doing 4k vids now 2016-10-14T06:13:46 < upgrdman> my gtx1080 can easily screencap at 4k60, and my phone can do 4k30 2016-10-14T06:13:53 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: They sell different little lenses on ebay/ali for phones. 2016-10-14T06:14:37 < LeelooMinai> You can probably correct the angle. 2016-10-14T06:15:10 < LeelooMinai> I wonder what happened to that tech from long ago where the lenses were supposed to be liquid and could change shape. 2016-10-14T06:15:13 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I have a shitty accent anyway, that's why I didn't make any videos so far 2016-10-14T06:15:15 < upgrdman> ya but an ali lense is probably shit for quality. and at 4k... 2016-10-14T06:16:17 < LeelooMinai> Probably there are better quality ones too, but more expensive. 2016-10-14T06:16:44 < upgrdman> im really hoping canon will offer a 4k60 slr that doesnt require those fucking CF cards 2016-10-14T06:17:01 < upgrdman> SD can easily do >80MBps these days, so not a problem there 2016-10-14T06:17:02 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Use text to voice app like on some videos:p 2016-10-14T06:17:07 < jadew> haha 2016-10-14T06:17:30 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-14T06:17:42 < LeelooMinai> Or like on some videos, you see some very interesting topic and it's silent but a guy tries to talk with the mouse cursor to you. 2016-10-14T06:18:12 < LeelooMinai> But that's mostly for things like CAD tutorial videos, etc. 2016-10-14T06:18:26 < jadew> yeah, those are the worst 2016-10-14T06:18:37 < LeelooMinai> I just turn them off imediatelly:) 2016-10-14T06:19:32 < LeelooMinai> jadew: To safe face you could pretend you are mute and have a little box in the corner where you use sign language. 2016-10-14T06:19:35 < LeelooMinai> save* 2016-10-14T06:19:44 < jadew> haha 2016-10-14T06:54:08 < jadew> you know, I find those ESP8266 modules very dangerous 2016-10-14T06:54:22 < jadew> especially the ones bought from non-reputable distributors 2016-10-14T06:54:29 < jadew> they could be clones that phone home 2016-10-14T06:54:58 < jadew> and the intel they could get... man 2016-10-14T06:55:14 < LeelooMinai> That's ET8266 2016-10-14T06:55:21 < dongs> ... 2016-10-14T06:55:50 < dongs> phone home about what eaxctly? 2016-10-14T06:55:51 < jadew> ET? 2016-10-14T06:55:55 < dongs> how many times youtyurned on your bathroom light? 2016-10-14T06:56:06 < dongs> such paranoia dude. 2016-10-14T06:56:19 < jadew> no, they could connect to a hub, the hub would say "disconnect come back in 3 days" 2016-10-14T06:56:42 < LeelooMinai> jadew: :/ http://quotespics.com/wp-content/quote-images/et-phone-home.jpg 2016-10-14T06:56:46 < jadew> in the meantime someone would analyze the IP addresses and figure out you live in an interesting area (where some VIPs live) 2016-10-14T06:56:57 < jadew> next time it connects, you start scanning the network through it 2016-10-14T06:57:16 < jadew> eventually you end up on some important guy's home network 2016-10-14T06:57:26 < jadew> with access to his home PC 2016-10-14T06:57:41 < dongs> jadew just because people do dumnb shit in romania doenst mean the rest of ht world does dumb shit 2016-10-14T06:58:07 < jadew> I'm not talking about Romania 2016-10-14T06:58:12 < jadew> I'm talking about espionage 2016-10-14T06:58:26 < jadew> at a very large scale 2016-10-14T06:58:40 < dongs> you should email assange/snowden about insecurity of ESP1488 modules 2016-10-14T06:58:45 < jadew> LeelooMinai, ah! 2016-10-14T06:59:47 < jadew> don't know, the idea of giving a device of unknown origin access to your home network and the internet seems dangerous 2016-10-14T07:01:37 < jadew> I'm willing to bet this will be exploited in the future, if it's not already being done 2016-10-14T07:02:45 < Thorn> there's nothing more dangerous than smartphones 2016-10-14T07:03:19 < jadew> yeah, smartphones are a huge data leak, but I think the real danger comes from things you don't expect 2016-10-14T07:04:57 < jadew> I had to login into a facebook account I use for work once and even tho syncing was deactivated, I think it copied all my contacts because now I get suggestions of people I actually know 2016-10-14T07:05:36 < Thorn> Mr. Rossmann uses hammer to show internal layers in a pcb 2016-10-14T07:05:42 < stvn> so esp8266 botnet yet 2016-10-14T07:06:39 < stvn> i used to say it to upset arduinofags 2016-10-14T07:07:16 < stvn> also R201 has gone high 2016-10-14T07:07:19 < Thorn> not quite but http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/13/sshowdown_botnet/ 2016-10-14T07:08:58 < jadew> ha 2016-10-14T07:13:29 < stvn> can iot just fuckin' die? 2016-10-14T07:14:59 < Thorn> anything that lets small time designers make some money is a good thing imo 2016-10-14T07:16:08 < Thorn> apparently LEDs are now obsolete http://www.cell.com/chem/fulltext/S2451-9294(16)30112-7 2016-10-14T07:20:34 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: And so is world's energy problem: https://www.google.com/patents/US20070246939 2016-10-14T07:23:13 < Thorn> it reads like some patent layer let their 12 year old kid draft it 2016-10-14T07:23:23 < Thorn> never mind the content 2016-10-14T07:23:35 < Thorn> *lawyer 2016-10-14T07:31:59 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, well... maybe it just rejected the button, but worked... 2016-10-14T07:32:18 < LeelooMinai> So not that bad:) 2016-10-14T07:48:16 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2016-10-14T07:51:49 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T07:55:02 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-14T07:55:07 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-14T07:59:17 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-14T07:59:24 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T08:07:06 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-14T08:14:40 -!- fenugrec_ [~Q@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-14T09:09:04 -!- kuldeep_ [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T09:12:32 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-14T09:24:07 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T09:30:08 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-14T09:33:18 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:f077:8f3c:841f:aa] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T09:34:32 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-94ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T09:36:41 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T09:50:36 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-94ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-14T10:15:31 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T10:34:55 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@pc-193-235-91-227.norrkoping.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T10:43:59 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T10:56:03 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:f077:8f3c:841f:aa] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-14T11:03:59 < LeelooMinai> lol... https://youtu.be/XhKMuc94YXc?t=104 2016-10-14T11:07:04 < stvn> ty 2016-10-14T11:07:50 < stvn> what shall i do with your offering LeelooMinai 2016-10-14T11:08:49 < LeelooMinai> stvn: What offering... 2016-10-14T11:09:29 < stvn> this youtube like with a broken cue tag 2016-10-14T11:10:25 < stvn> i was expecting to click it and literally blast a hole in my seat 2016-10-14T11:10:27 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T11:11:05 < LeelooMinai> stvn: Are you currently inhaling a mind-altering substance? :) 2016-10-14T11:12:54 < stvn> not today 2016-10-14T11:13:11 < LeelooMinai> Must be the withdrawal symptoms then:p 2016-10-14T11:13:15 < stvn> hmm 2016-10-14T11:13:20 < stvn> i have milk 2016-10-14T11:23:57 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T11:26:47 < Steffanx> Lactose intolerant? With unknown visible effects? 2016-10-14T11:28:13 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-14T11:30:13 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-14T11:31:06 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.129.129] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T11:31:07 < stvn> meow 2016-10-14T11:32:59 < stvn> good morning Steffanx 2016-10-14T11:46:54 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T12:01:42 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-14T12:02:55 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T12:03:03 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T12:17:20 < stvn> ohsix, where's tectu? 2016-10-14T12:21:09 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-14T12:21:30 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-14T12:29:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-14T12:32:29 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T12:38:33 < karlp> yay, blossom replied to me with the pcb drawings for their holders. 2016-10-14T12:38:40 < karlp> why they couldnt' just have htem on their website.... 2016-10-14T12:38:52 < dongs> top secret 2016-10-14T12:46:50 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: I learned electronics from EEVblog] 2016-10-14T12:49:39 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@pc-193-235-91-227.norrkoping.se] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-14T12:54:47 -!- blight [~greg@212-186-28-41.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T12:54:47 -!- blight [~greg@212-186-28-41.cable.dynamic.surfer.at] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-14T12:54:47 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T13:16:57 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-14T13:20:46 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T13:35:44 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.129.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-14T13:39:44 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-14T13:42:28 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T13:47:38 -!- Chris_M|2 [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-152-100.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T13:50:09 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T13:50:34 < stvn> ancient chinese secret 2016-10-14T13:50:36 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-38-21.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-14T14:08:21 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.161.243] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T14:17:22 < dongs> nice. had a typo in fsmc initialization 2016-10-14T14:17:32 < dongs> try writing to it = stm32 drops off debugger 2016-10-14T14:29:25 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T14:33:29 < Fleck> anyone tried Makefile, gcc, STemWin on F7 ? 2016-10-14T14:34:06 < Fleck> getting errors about uses VFP register arguments... does not, tried different settings, no luck :/ 2016-10-14T14:35:15 < karlp> make sure you're using hte same cpu shit flags for both cc and ld 2016-10-14T14:35:35 -!- _franck__ [527f6536@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.127.101.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-14T14:37:02 < Fleck> aaaargh, yeah, used only for ld ;ppp meh, fail 2016-10-14T14:41:08 -!- kuldeep_ [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-14T14:52:45 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@c-a46fe555.06-213-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T15:00:01 -!- kuldeep_ [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T15:00:14 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-14T15:01:49 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-14T15:07:33 < kakimir> in ltspice parts have maximum parameters such as breakdown voltage and maximum current 2016-10-14T15:07:50 < kakimir> can there be alarm set for those in simulation? 2016-10-14T15:09:12 < kakimir> is breakdown voltage for actually simulating avalanche event? 2016-10-14T15:09:45 < stvn> yeah linear tech will sell you a alarm you can stick on top of the monitor 2016-10-14T15:11:03 < kakimir> are you an artist stvn ? 2016-10-14T15:11:18 < stvn> i'm an autist 2016-10-14T15:11:43 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pIfo1Dynjg 2016-10-14T15:12:35 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T15:30:39 < stvn> kakimir, did you have any new LEDs? 2016-10-14T15:32:25 -!- _franck__ [527f6536@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.127.101.54] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T15:34:18 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T15:35:00 < kakimir> no 2016-10-14T15:35:08 < kakimir> I'm sorry 2016-10-14T15:36:14 < stvn> i found ohsix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v5eBf2KwF8 2016-10-14T15:38:18 < kakimir> weirdly satisfying? 2016-10-14T15:45:16 -!- ac|work [~ardu@178.124.147.109] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-14T15:49:44 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5rYlX19hg4 what is tis? 2016-10-14T15:52:32 -!- ac|work [~ardu@178.124.147.109] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T15:58:23 < kakimir> moon landing faked Laurenceb_ ? 2016-10-14T16:04:32 < kakimir> is there on-off threshold for sw in ltspice? 2016-10-14T16:04:58 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: I learned electronics from EEVblog] 2016-10-14T16:05:26 < kakimir> I should probably look into those switch models 2016-10-14T16:06:32 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.161.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-14T16:13:48 < kakimir> can I create model directly from IV graph in ltspice? 2016-10-14T16:14:31 < kakimir> basically current controlled with voltage level per IV curve 2016-10-14T16:14:58 < kakimir> I want to have gtaw welding arc model 2016-10-14T16:15:30 < kakimir> https://www.ewm-group.com/images/stories/presse/PM2013-06/Abb.2_low.jpg 2016-10-14T16:20:49 -!- Palsson [~Palsson@c-a46fe555.06-213-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Tony has left the building] 2016-10-14T16:39:38 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.149.186] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T16:51:42 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-14T16:55:32 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.149.186] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-14T16:58:55 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZHJvTDVobmdzRHM/view?usp=sharing 2016-10-14T16:59:14 < kakimir> quite a job 2016-10-14T16:59:45 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-14T16:59:55 < kakimir> then fill in all values by measuring them from the actual machine 2016-10-14T17:01:07 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T17:02:02 < kakimir> I need to draw that opto card in that drives thyristors with seperate transformer 2016-10-14T17:03:35 -!- KreA [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T17:07:29 -!- KreAture_ [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-14T17:08:00 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T17:23:33 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T17:36:01 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T17:37:35 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-14T17:38:12 < BenderTheMan> Using stdperiph, how can I change the clock from 48MHz to 32MHz or 24MHz ? 2016-10-14T17:38:44 < BenderTheMan> My SPI clock is waaaay too fast for this dev board (mess-o-wires) so ringing on SPI lines is huge, even with 256 prescaler on SPI 2016-10-14T17:39:04 < dongs> huh really? 2016-10-14T17:39:39 < dongs> isnt at 48mhz sysclk your SPI is already at 24 (or even 12? 2016-10-14T17:39:47 < dongs> + /256 is like khz range 2016-10-14T17:39:57 < dongs> try setting your GPIO drive speed 2016-10-14T17:40:07 < dongs> set it to like 2MHz, so it rings less 2016-10-14T17:40:21 < dongs> GPIO_Speed_100MHz < this shit 2016-10-14T17:40:53 < dongs> or the other way around, i forgot which one increases/decreases drive 2016-10-14T17:46:15 < zyp> yeah, spi clock doesn't have much to do with ringing, that's all drive strength 2016-10-14T17:48:24 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@110.184.57.83] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T17:51:25 -!- blight [~greg@reactos/developer/blight] has left ##stm32 ["Konversation terminated!"] 2016-10-14T17:55:03 < BenderTheMan> I'm using STM32F030 so It's 50MHz max 2016-10-14T17:55:08 < BenderTheMan> But, I'll lower the GPIO clock :) 2016-10-14T17:55:11 < BenderTheMan> Thanks for the suggestion 2016-10-14T17:55:37 < dongs> i dunno if you need to lower or higher it. 2016-10-14T17:55:39 < dongs> zyp probly does tho 2016-10-14T17:56:10 < BenderTheMan> Also It seems that my SPI_read() and SPI_write() functions are not right... SPI is working but the data that I read back from the W5500 chip is nonsense... And even thou I don't write anything, the data changes on sequential read... 2016-10-14T17:56:33 < dongs> isnt F0 with that funky SPI thing that needs additional fifo setting 2016-10-14T17:56:35 < BenderTheMan> Like I read MAC, IP, and DHCP. Only DHCP remains the same, all other parameters change... even thou I'm just doing read every 2s 2016-10-14T17:56:37 < dongs> F0?/F3 2016-10-14T17:56:47 < BenderTheMan> I'm using F0 2016-10-14T17:57:09 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T17:59:29 < zyp> lower speed = lower strength = less ringing 2016-10-14T17:59:43 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@110.184.57.83] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-14T18:00:56 < BenderTheMan> My SPI clock is around 187KHz... should be good... 2016-10-14T18:01:13 < BenderTheMan> But the SPI read/write is wrong I guess... or something is fishy 2016-10-14T18:01:49 < BenderTheMan> http://pastebin.com/BqfyRuTp 2016-10-14T18:01:57 < BenderTheMan> Does this look alright? 2016-10-14T18:02:09 < BenderTheMan> SPI clock is always on, but MCU hangs in waiting for clock... :\ 2016-10-14T18:04:27 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@110.184.58.210] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T18:07:37 < BenderTheMan> Here is the SPI config http://pastebin.com/r1WxxbRn 2016-10-14T18:07:43 < BenderTheMan> forgot to post that, sorry 2016-10-14T18:09:31 < dekar_> Does anyone recognise the lossless compression algorithm that turns the right data into the left? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28467113/Screen%20Shot%202016-10-14%20at%2022.47.49.png 2016-10-14T18:11:12 < kimmoli> BenderTheMan: STM32F030x8 or STM32F030xC ? 2016-10-14T18:15:36 < dongs> dekar, have you been ransomware'd ? 2016-10-14T18:15:56 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T18:16:10 < BenderTheMan> STM32F030x8 2016-10-14T18:17:00 < dongs> Tectu: kawaii link in privmsg 2016-10-14T18:17:16 < dekar_> dongs, nah, I'm just toying with some Chinese encryption SW. I took off a layer of XOR just to find some compression underneath. 2016-10-14T18:18:05 < Tectu> hi 2016-10-14T18:18:14 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-14T18:21:17 < BenderTheMan> Seems like my SPI Clock is running all the time and I'm "waiting for flag" but the micro is definately transmitting something on the MOSI line and SCK is clocking all the time :\ 2016-10-14T18:22:10 < Rob235> it wants some soup 2016-10-14T18:22:59 < dongs> does spi clock keep ticking ? 2016-10-14T18:23:04 < dongs> i thought it stopped 2016-10-14T18:27:36 -!- _franck__ [527f6536@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.127.101.54] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2016-10-14T18:28:11 < BenderTheMan> dongs: It does. SPI clock is ticking all the time :S 2016-10-14T18:28:39 < dongs> are you sure you have y our AF set corectly 2016-10-14T18:28:44 < dongs> and its acutally SPI_CLK and not something like MCO 2016-10-14T18:30:32 < BenderTheMan> I've posted the SPI config. It also has the GPIO setup... It looks okay, at least to me http://pastebin.com/r1WxxbRn 2016-10-14T18:31:08 < dongs> is that the right AF 2016-10-14T18:33:32 < dongs> doesnt that only matter in slave mode anyway. 2016-10-14T18:33:54 < BenderTheMan> Software NSS 2016-10-14T18:34:08 < BenderTheMan> And I selected PB13, PB14, PB15 as AF0 2016-10-14T18:34:51 < BenderTheMan> I've commented it now and the same thing... the SPI clock is running non-stop 2016-10-14T18:36:10 < rewolff> dekar_: Your compression algorithm. seems to compress: "%PDF1-." into "0x5d 0x25", only 16 bits. This would be a "works-on-pdf-only" compression algorithm. With so much output in plain text, that ends up being unlikely. 2016-10-14T18:36:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.136.187] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T18:37:09 < rewolff> Oh... Do you have 0x31 0x2e at offset 0x1fe ? 2016-10-14T18:37:39 < dekar_> rewolff, I think it references occurrences later in the file. e.g. "PDF" exists a few times and "-1." also once. 2016-10-14T18:39:12 < rewolff> Usually the compression algorithms do back references, not forward. 2016-10-14T18:40:31 < dekar_> rewolff, that's what I though. But for this one the whole file is identical, just the first few bytes are compressed. 2016-10-14T18:41:03 < rewolff> Then it's not compression, just that the file starts a bit earlier than you thought. 2016-10-14T18:41:04 < dekar_> They split up the file in blocks of 512bytes and compress the first one a bit. All the later blocks are unchanged. 2016-10-14T18:41:12 < rewolff> Or... 2016-10-14T18:41:42 < dekar_> rewolff, no. What they do is add an additional header while keeping the original file size. Thus they have to shave off a few bytes. 2016-10-14T18:41:59 < rewolff> In Unix filesystems there are a few bytes available in the "inode". Usually they are used for block pointers, but you could store the first few bytes of a file there.... 2016-10-14T18:42:04 < dekar_> Also I didn't fine the bytes you asked for. :( 2016-10-14T18:42:21 < rewolff> That was just a thought. 2016-10-14T18:42:38 < rewolff> What lenght is the PDF ? 2016-10-14T18:42:44 < dekar_> But "-1." is at 0x2A78C 2016-10-14T18:42:51 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.1.120] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T18:43:06 < dekar_> 175kb 2016-10-14T18:44:09 < dekar_> The software supports Linux and Windows, it doesn't depend on the OS, files can be moved freely. 2016-10-14T18:44:18 < dekar_> e.g. on FAT32 USB sticks. 2016-10-14T18:44:19 < rewolff> So, 16 ibits is not enough to point to say: "the first few bytes are somewhere else, look them up at 0x255d". 2016-10-14T18:45:48 < rewolff> If the "offset-by-9-bytes" stays until the end, then ... 2016-10-14T18:45:59 < rewolff> Hey. In the beginning hte offset is only 4 bytes. 2016-10-14T18:46:00 < dekar_> They also have a different mode where they just compress the first 512bytes with lzo. But this file is something else. 2016-10-14T18:46:39 < rewolff> You need to figure out the jumps and note the differences.... 2016-10-14T18:47:27 < dekar_> I think I'll try to produce some test files next week and analyse those. I just thought maybe it is some standard algorithm someone recognises. 2016-10-14T18:50:37 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.136.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-14T18:52:22 < rewolff> It can't be a standard one, because 1) it uses forward references? 2) it has a lousy compresssion ratio. 2016-10-14T18:53:33 < dekar_> I think for this particular file it tried lzo and failed to gain the few bytes it needs for its header, it then resorted to the forward thing. Because I tried compressing the plaintext with the lzo version the SW usually uses and it got bigger. 2016-10-14T18:53:56 < dekar_> I'll also try some entropy and see how it handles that. :) 2016-10-14T18:55:57 < dekar_> rewolff, it's this SW btw: http://www.delaat.net/rp/2013-2014/p32/report.pdf 2016-10-14T18:56:33 < dekar_> Sadly the author only looked into the lzo mode. 2016-10-14T18:56:50 < Rob235> I know this is a st channel but I was thinking of enlarging my knowledge base. I need a secondary processor for my project and was thinking of trying something completely new. What about adding an atmel ATSAM4SA16B (instead of getting a stm32f11) to do some work and communicate with my stm32f4 2016-10-14T18:57:37 < Rob235> f411* 2016-10-14T18:58:57 < dekar_> Rob235, sure, as long as you don't listen to the Atmel haters. :) I always wanted to try some NXP, though. 2016-10-14T19:00:03 < Rob235> I have an nxp lpc1768 or whatever its called but havent really messed with it, I want to try designing my own pcbs though so I'm looking for just the chips now 2016-10-14T19:00:58 < Rob235> maybe I should add an nxp chip to it also for some reason just to really show my versatility :P 2016-10-14T19:01:45 < Rob235> atmel or nxp, main thing I need is at least 128 kB sram 2016-10-14T19:02:43 < Rob235> its to use as a datalogger 2016-10-14T19:03:02 < Rob235> I don't want my main mcu dealing with the buffer 2016-10-14T19:03:22 < dongs> ATSAMA5 2016-10-14T19:03:57 < dekar_> rewolff, I think it might be using backward references. I mean what if it processes all of the file first, and then what ends up being the first block last? "-1." is at 0x2AC65 out of a total of 0x2A78C. 2016-10-14T19:04:24 < Rob235> dongs: benefits? 2016-10-14T19:04:57 < dongs> also: imx.233 + sdram 2016-10-14T19:05:54 < Rob235> haha 500-600mhz???? 2016-10-14T19:06:28 < Rob235> oh its an A5 2016-10-14T19:11:17 < Steffanx> why you need a secondary mcu Rob235? :S 2016-10-14T19:11:45 < Rob235> data logger, I'm pretty sure I'll need the extra ram 2016-10-14T19:11:52 < sync> probably not 2016-10-14T19:11:57 < sync> you can usually easily dma shit out 2016-10-14T19:11:59 < Steffanx> ^ 2016-10-14T19:12:07 < Rob235> its not about speed/dma 2016-10-14T19:12:17 < sync> what else 2016-10-14T19:12:23 < Steffanx> nespresso 2016-10-14T19:12:24 < sync> do processing on your machine 2016-10-14T19:12:31 < sync> and just shit out raw data 2016-10-14T19:12:33 < Rob235> you have to buffer the data first, you cant just keep sending short dma sequences 2016-10-14T19:13:31 < Rob235> it would waste so much time 2016-10-14T19:14:01 < Rob235> with a second mcu I can use a fast serial connection and the secondary can handle the rest 2016-10-14T19:14:33 < sync> nah, one would probably be fine 2016-10-14T19:15:28 < Rob235> I guess I'll find out, I'm still going to work on my stm32 code for the data logger and the pcb designing is a ways off so i'll know by then 2016-10-14T19:16:53 < Rob235> can I add some kinda ram chip to the board to use as a buffer and have dma use that? 2016-10-14T19:17:47 < Rob235> I have two 1,000+ page books to read before I stop asking stupid questions like that one :) 2016-10-14T19:19:10 -!- ReinerB [~reiner@213.157.6.138] has left ##stm32 [] 2016-10-14T19:19:53 < Steffanx> yes 2016-10-14T19:21:16 < Rob235> it would be a lot slower though right? enough to matter? 2016-10-14T19:22:21 < Rob235> ehh doubt it for something like this 2016-10-14T19:23:35 < Rob235> I kinda want to do it to learn how anyway (not adding the ram, although maybe for another project) but adding a secondary mcu 2016-10-14T19:26:01 < Steffanx> "It's your party". 2016-10-14T19:26:08 < Rob235> that it is 2016-10-14T19:27:17 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-14T19:27:49 < Rob235> this has always been a learning experience, I never had efficiency or minimalism as a design expectation 2016-10-14T19:34:12 < dekar_> RAM is fast, even external. I've tested SDRAM 16bit wide at 84mhz with the STM32. It writes 160MB/s and reads half of that. That's using the CPU, I think DMA might read even faster due to some additional buffering/queueing. And SDRAM is like the slowest RAM you can get. 2016-10-14T19:35:26 < Rob235> ahh nice 2016-10-14T19:55:18 < Rob235> so I was told a shunt was the way to go (versus hall sensor) and am trying to figure out why 2016-10-14T20:03:07 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-14T20:10:17 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.92] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T20:10:50 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T20:15:38 < sync> that is entirely application dependant rewolff 2016-10-14T20:15:43 < sync> arg 2016-10-14T20:15:45 < sync> tabfail 2016-10-14T20:17:19 < rewolff> most compression algortihms no longer have a recognizable relationship with the original. 2016-10-14T20:18:13 < rewolff> For example, the oldest "compress" algorithm starts out by putting each byte in 9 bits. Thus (barring actual compression) only 1 in 8 original bytes will show in the compressed output. 2016-10-14T20:18:38 < rewolff> Microsoft designed a "simple and fast" compression algorithm that has the most "plaintext" showing through. 2016-10-14T20:19:25 < rewolff> Each 8 symbols is preceded by an 8-bit bitfield. Each symbol is either a literal (0) or a back reference (1). 2016-10-14T20:19:57 < rewolff> So with uncompressable data, the result is a 0 followed by 8 source bytes, and another 0 and another 8 source bytes. 2016-10-14T20:20:36 < rewolff> Anyway, everything that performs better will quickly lose sync with the byte boundaries. 2016-10-14T20:21:13 < rewolff> But you're right. Something application dependent might perform well in certain cases. Fact is, we're not really seeing a very good compression here. 2016-10-14T20:21:19 < rewolff> Or even a reasonable compression. 2016-10-14T20:21:39 < rewolff> In the shown 240 bytes, only about 9 bytes were saved. 2016-10-14T20:21:50 < rewolff> Anyway.. I have to leave. 2016-10-14T20:39:38 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-14T20:57:26 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T21:03:48 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0aad5f.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T21:19:42 < BenderTheMan> How would STM32F030R8 get stuck in a loop where it keeps sending the SPI data, but the actual micro is stuck in a loop waiting for TXE flag to be cleared? 2016-10-14T21:19:53 < BenderTheMan> Something about my SPI is definately fishy :\ 2016-10-14T21:23:23 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T21:23:42 < vampi-the-frog> is there a way to get faster communication through the st-link v2? 2016-10-14T21:24:07 < vampi-the-frog> I am using swd 2016-10-14T21:24:17 < vampi-the-frog> I remember something about an extra pin? 2016-10-14T21:24:26 < vampi-the-frog> the st-link v2 has a SWIM pin, does that help? 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2016-10-14T22:15:55 < Rob235> Glowtape: iirc the frsky signal is relatively high frequency 2016-10-14T22:15:55 < Rob235> [03:03:12 pm] Glowtape: 110khz or something 2016-10-14T22:16:15 < Rob235> I use 800 khz for my ws2812b led strips 2016-10-14T22:16:48 < qyx> there would be too many interrupts if you used input capture 2016-10-14T22:17:02 < qyx> i would go with pwm->analog probably 2016-10-14T22:17:04 < qyx> but meh 2016-10-14T22:17:47 < Rob235> oh he said the same thing, I think I misunderstood at the time... 2016-10-14T22:18:03 < qyx> maybe there is a trick to get only, let's say, 1/1000 of values 2016-10-14T22:18:40 < qyx> if you downconvert that signal, the duty cycle should be preserved 2016-10-14T22:19:10 < Rob235> just have a static volatile counter that increments in the interrupt and only do stuff when it reaches 2016-10-14T22:19:23 < Rob235> what would having tons of tiny interrupts do? 2016-10-14T22:19:41 < qyx> the counter can increment itself without an interrupt 2016-10-14T22:20:01 < qyx> wait, what 2016-10-14T22:20:02 < Rob235> I meant if I stuck with the CCR method 2016-10-14T22:20:11 < qyx> ah 2016-10-14T22:21:11 < qyx> check if the compare event can generate a timer trigger signal 2016-10-14T22:21:16 < Rob235> wouldnt it be a lot more accurate to be able to read the pwm signal than measure the converted analog signal? 2016-10-14T22:21:23 < qyx> that way you could increment another timer 2016-10-14T22:21:50 -!- PaulFertser_ [paul@2001:470:26:54b:260:98ff:feef:cb79] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-14T22:22:17 -!- PaulFertser [paul@2001:470:26:54b:260:98ff:feef:cb79] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T22:22:31 < qyx> but anyway, for duty cycle measurement you probably want to capture both edges 2016-10-14T22:23:13 < qyx> so this approach would not work 2016-10-14T22:23:50 < Rob235> ok everyone is just telling me to just convert to analog 2016-10-14T22:25:56 < gxti> pretty sure there's an appnote for measuring duty cycle using two slices of a timer. you could just use a slower interrupt timer to poll it every 100 samples or whatever, or DMA it somewhere and average them all together once a number have been collected 2016-10-14T22:26:25 < Rob235> the latter was my plan 2016-10-14T22:27:28 < gxti> barring some kind of timing issue i can't be arsed to think about you can probably just grab values from the IC register at any time, without needing DMA, if random samples are good enough 2016-10-14T22:28:34 < Rob235> nah, I don't think I like that route 2016-10-14T22:29:26 < Rob235> I wonder what interval the signal is sent at? 2016-10-14T22:30:07 < Rob235> i'm gonna scope it, I'm kinda curious to see the signal now 2016-10-14T22:33:16 < Ultrasauce> i gotta chime in on the multiple MCUs thing 2016-10-14T22:33:42 < Rob235> ok? 2016-10-14T22:33:56 < Ultrasauce> i'd consider it a pretty significant disadvantage to be using microcontrollers from multiple vendors on one project of this scale 2016-10-14T22:34:20 < Rob235> why? 2016-10-14T22:34:52 < Ultrasauce> higher cognitive load in working with different architectures at the same time, more work to maintain two toolchains 2016-10-14T22:35:15 < Ultrasauce> sharing code between them becomes a lot more complicated 2016-10-14T22:36:40 < LeelooMinai> It's a bad idea, unless you are in the big game of squeezung every penny out of the cost. 2016-10-14T22:37:00 < LeelooMinai> For a hobbyist - fail. 2016-10-14T22:37:02 < Rob235> I'll think about it but it was meant to be a learning experience 2016-10-14T22:37:24 < Ultrasauce> you will learn how much of a pain in the ass it is 2016-10-14T22:37:36 < LeelooMinai> Learn how to be smart about design:p 2016-10-14T22:39:49 < Rob235> hrm 2016-10-14T22:44:34 < Ultrasauce> and to perhaps push a little further, you'd probably learn more getting the data logging functionality working alongside the control loop 2016-10-14T22:44:42 < Ultrasauce> wrangling both realtime and asynchronous tasks 2016-10-14T22:45:49 < Ultrasauce> but there's definitely value in having multiple micros in play 2016-10-14T22:45:59 < Rob235> you mean with two mcus or just sticking with one 2016-10-14T22:46:12 < Ultrasauce> i meant with one 2016-10-14T22:46:55 < Rob235> how would it be different than adding any other peripheral? 2016-10-14T22:47:06 < Rob235> if using just one mcu 2016-10-14T22:48:40 < Ultrasauce> isnt the answer to that question the reason you want to use a second mcu? 2016-10-14T22:48:54 < Rob235> lack of memory? 2016-10-14T22:50:13 < Ultrasauce> oh you actually want to hold a whole session's data in ram? 2016-10-14T22:50:34 < Rob235> no, i'm writing an sdcard datalogger 2016-10-14T22:51:18 < Rob235> but I'm worried to keep things up to speed that just using the f4 disco board won't have enough sram to buffer enough before starting dma 2016-10-14T22:51:56 < Rob235> lower the buffer size and a lot more overhead is needed 2016-10-14T22:52:02 < Rob235> from the cpu 2016-10-14T22:52:30 < Rob235> so I figured if I used another mcu with another 128-258k of ram to use as a buffer that would be great 2016-10-14T22:52:46 < Rob235> 256 2016-10-14T22:53:10 < Ultrasauce> how much data are we talking 2016-10-14T22:53:17 < LeelooMinai> Could also use external RAM + some stm32 that supports it. 2016-10-14T22:53:32 < LeelooMinai> You would get MBs then 2016-10-14T22:53:46 < Rob235> not sure, not much, maybe 7 kb per frame, up to 100 frames a second 2016-10-14T22:54:34 -!- c4017 [~c4017@node-1w7jr9qihf28vvcq8bw7hfki7.ipv6.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-14T22:57:22 < Rob235> its not like its an expensive thing to add 2016-10-14T22:57:57 < Rob235> $5-6 for a stm32f411 2016-10-14T22:58:48 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-19-73-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T22:59:36 < Rob235> and I get to learn how to use two mcus at once 2016-10-14T23:00:55 < Steffanx> Something that doesn't really happen that often in the real world? 2016-10-14T23:01:20 < Rob235> really? 2016-10-14T23:01:23 < Rob235> I assumed it did 2016-10-14T23:01:41 < Thorn> I've used 4 mcus from 2 vendors at once 2016-10-14T23:01:57 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Was it fun? :p 2016-10-14T23:02:40 < Rob235> I mean I'm kinda already using a second mcu, the bno055 uses a st chip 2016-10-14T23:03:08 < Thorn> multiple simultaneous debug sessions = fun 2016-10-14T23:03:49 < Rob235> or at least an arm chip 2016-10-14T23:05:55 < Rob235> MPU IMU boards even have a dmp, even if people don't usually use it 2016-10-14T23:07:44 < Rob235> I'll use the ram and dma for the sdcard logger and the cpu for kalman filtering since I won't be using the bno anymore :P 2016-10-14T23:34:05 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-14T23:36:07 < kakimir> I wonder what was the electrode material for spot welder I bought 2016-10-14T23:36:23 < kakimir> I have bar there and do not know what to label it as 2016-10-14T23:36:33 < kakimir> it was some bronze copper stuff 2016-10-14T23:36:44 < kakimir> not berylium 2016-10-14T23:46:11 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.1.120] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-14T23:47:53 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.1.120] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-14T23:48:46 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] --- Day changed Sat Oct 15 2016 2016-10-15T00:01:16 < Rob235> ok so converting frsky pwm to analog... found at least two sources for pwm to analog, they both use .1 uF cap and the resistor value varies. whats the resistor doing :) 2016-10-15T00:01:49 < Thorn> RC low pass filter 2016-10-15T00:02:02 < Rob235> how is the value chosen? 2016-10-15T00:02:28 < Thorn> http://sim.okawa-denshi.jp/en/CRlowkeisan.htm 2016-10-15T00:03:07 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.1.120] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-15T00:08:54 < qyx> do you know any ready-made stm32 based LCD terminal with a keypad and rs485? 2016-10-15T00:09:16 < qyx> STN transflective preferred 2016-10-15T00:20:42 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 2016-10-15T00:24:33 -!- damme [~damme@h-203-16.a216.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T00:25:04 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-15T00:27:56 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-15T00:34:09 < Ultrasauce> your dog is not very eloquent 2016-10-15T00:49:26 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-15T01:08:23 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2016-10-15T01:09:28 < jadew> I tried to make a video 2016-10-15T01:09:30 < jadew> I stink 2016-10-15T01:13:51 < Steffanx> At least odor TV isn't really a thing yet, so you're safe jadew. 2016-10-15T01:14:58 < jadew> one on programming, one documenting a DIY project 2016-10-15T01:15:23 < jadew> ohsix, that's not a bad idea, but I'm already tired 2016-10-15T01:15:59 < jadew> I said "Hey guys" so many times, I don't even know how to say it properly anymore 2016-10-15T01:16:53 < jadew> my problem is english 2016-10-15T01:17:22 < jadew> the ideas are there and they want to come out, but I choke or make silly pronunciation mistakes 2016-10-15T01:17:26 < jadew> so I have to start over 2016-10-15T01:17:27 < Steffanx> No it isn't. Your problem is your perfectionism ;) 2016-10-15T01:18:06 < jadew> nah, I recognize when I stink :) 2016-10-15T01:22:03 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T01:22:14 < Steffanx> WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN Laurenceb_ ? 2016-10-15T01:23:16 < Laurenceb_> hanging with Ched Evans 2016-10-15T01:23:35 < Steffanx> do i want to know or .. 2016-10-15T01:23:37 < Steffanx> probably not. 2016-10-15T01:23:40 < Laurenceb_> also installing roofing 2016-10-15T01:23:53 < Laurenceb_> discovered a new way to pull 2016-10-15T01:24:06 < Laurenceb_> grrls like the construction worker look 2016-10-15T01:27:10 < BrainDamage> aren't you a bit anemic to pull that off? 2016-10-15T01:28:34 < Laurenceb_> apparently not 2016-10-15T01:29:27 < Laurenceb_> I walk through the city center at similar times most Friday and Saturday nights, it's a good controlled experiment 2016-10-15T01:29:32 < Laurenceb_> ^ going fully RooshV 2016-10-15T01:35:59 < Laurenceb_> my standard nerdy look gets exactly zero reaction 2016-10-15T01:36:46 < Laurenceb_> smart business look gets best reaction, casual smart second best, followed by construction worker 2016-10-15T01:37:14 < Laurenceb_> status: writing pdf report to email out to PUA crews 2016-10-15T01:37:52 < jadew> Laurenceb_, I observed something similar last week 2016-10-15T01:38:07 < Laurenceb_> ched_evans_effect.pdf 2016-10-15T01:39:07 < Ultrasauce> a girl looked at me! i cant wait to get home and tell the people on irc 2016-10-15T01:39:19 < jadew> I woke up late but I had gym, so I took a shower and left. Because it was so cold I also got a cap (something like this: http://www.artica.ro/ESW/Images/austral-art-9056_2412_1_1346164586.jpg ) 2016-10-15T01:39:36 < jadew> 3 chicks started hitting on me at a red light (I was on my bike) 2016-10-15T01:39:39 < Laurenceb_> Ultrasauce: A first for anyone on irc 2016-10-15T01:39:39 < jadew> this never happens 2016-10-15T01:40:15 < jadew> then, after gym I went into a supermarket to get some stuff and I noticed chicks were checking me out, I figured it was because of the t-shirt 2016-10-15T01:40:34 < jadew> it had a triangle pointing down, so it was putting emphasis on my shoulders 2016-10-15T01:40:56 < jadew> I guess that + the supid hat is a good recipe for picking up chicks 2016-10-15T01:42:05 < jadew> and I'm bellow average looking I think 2016-10-15T01:42:17 < jadew> tall and sort of skinny 2016-10-15T01:42:33 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRuFdKL2yMw 2016-10-15T01:44:41 < LeelooMinai> ... 2016-10-15T01:45:52 < jadew> that's probably a whiteboard marker 2016-10-15T01:48:55 < Steffanx> Damn, that's bad. 2016-10-15T01:49:16 < jadew> what's bad? 2016-10-15T01:49:18 < LeelooMinai> They are breaking bad there stongly. 2016-10-15T01:54:35 -!- damme [~damme@h-203-16.a216.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-15T01:58:44 < oz4ga> a bit of soap and wather, a towel plus "= 16" in pink nail laquer that would be bad 2016-10-15T01:59:54 < LeelooMinai> And Dark Nerd Ninjia bad would be using invisible flurescent paint. 2016-10-15T02:01:44 < oz4ga> leeloo: +1 ;) 2016-10-15T02:01:55 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Attracting attention can be pita - so be careful with those look improvements;p 2016-10-15T02:02:09 < jadew> LeelooMinai, haha 2016-10-15T02:05:04 < jadew> lol, look what I found: http://funnyblog.ro/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/caciula_elvis_presley.jpg 2016-10-15T02:05:20 < jadew> I want one 2016-10-15T02:05:53 < LeelooMinai> jadew: You are bald? 2016-10-15T02:06:00 < jadew> no 2016-10-15T02:06:22 < jadew> LeelooMinai, but I cut my hair really short twice per year 2016-10-15T02:06:33 < jadew> so I could still wear that hat from time to time 2016-10-15T02:07:00 < LeelooMinai> The drawback is, it does not cover the ears... 2016-10-15T02:07:14 < jadew> LeelooMinai, you can pull it back a bit 2016-10-15T02:07:28 < jadew> oh, good idea 2016-10-15T02:07:32 < jadew> I could knit it 2016-10-15T02:08:08 < LeelooMinai> Maybe you could attach a ear plugs to the ends of the sideburns, to make it more interesting 2016-10-15T02:09:02 < jadew> does it have silicone on the inside? 2016-10-15T02:09:19 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Do you use it for something else than display? 2016-10-15T02:09:55 < jadew> "nice and tight" - pretty sure it comes with lube 2016-10-15T02:10:26 < jadew> wth is that thing anyway? 2016-10-15T02:10:32 < jadew> do you wear it, or what? 2016-10-15T02:11:19 < jadew> oh, it's rick 2016-10-15T02:11:20 < LeelooMinai> I have only one humanoid toy I found in the basement once: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/13961452253 2016-10-15T02:11:24 < jadew> ah 2016-10-15T02:11:30 < jadew> looks like rick 2016-10-15T02:11:34 < LeelooMinai> He helps me with electronics sometimes.. 2016-10-15T02:12:04 < jadew> neat 2016-10-15T02:12:29 < jadew> he's into buzz music 2016-10-15T02:12:44 < LeelooMinai> He thought it was a "boom box" 2016-10-15T02:13:37 < LeelooMinai> O, how cute, dongs, R2COM and PeterM in a box. 2016-10-15T02:15:20 < LeelooMinai> * goes to play with knitted dudes" 2016-10-15T02:15:48 < jadew> see ya 2016-10-15T02:41:34 < LeelooMinai> C++ mystery hits again:/ 2016-10-15T02:41:39 < Laurenceb_> Women have too much power over men 2016-10-15T02:41:49 < Laurenceb_> More men need to go MGTOW. 2016-10-15T02:41:57 < LeelooMinai> Right, expecially in Middle East. 2016-10-15T02:42:31 < BrainDamage> tube launched, optically tracked, wire controlled missile? 2016-10-15T02:42:49 < Laurenceb_> /troll 2016-10-15T02:43:04 < LeelooMinai> BrainDamage: I saw a video of something like this. 2016-10-15T02:43:18 < LeelooMinai> The wire part was weird, but I guess that has some advantages. 2016-10-15T02:43:36 < Laurenceb_> I wonder if its used to work out range to the missile 2016-10-15T02:44:45 < Laurenceb_> my rockoon design is now tube launched 2016-10-15T02:44:53 < Laurenceb_> maybe I should actually build something... 2016-10-15T02:44:59 < LeelooMinai> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire-guided_missile 2016-10-15T02:45:32 < BrainDamage> generally the distance is provided by laser rangefinders 2016-10-15T02:45:37 < LeelooMinai> 4km, lol, that must need a lot of wire or a very thin one 2016-10-15T02:45:45 < BrainDamage> it's very thin 2016-10-15T02:46:10 < BrainDamage> they are actually rather used in the syrian conflict atm 2016-10-15T02:46:17 < BrainDamage> that's why the double joke 2016-10-15T02:46:19 < LeelooMinai> Cannot jam it with radio - I think that's the main +. 2016-10-15T02:46:38 < BrainDamage> not just jamming, radio signature too 2016-10-15T02:46:46 < LeelooMinai> Right, I guess 2016-10-15T02:46:47 < BrainDamage> some modern tanks have autocannons 2016-10-15T02:47:05 < aandrew> wow can you imagine 4km of wire flying out of a spool at missile speeds? 2016-10-15T02:47:21 < BrainDamage> the poblem is that the operator remains exposed while piloting it 2016-10-15T02:51:20 < jadew> LeelooMinai, what mistery? 2016-10-15T02:51:35 < jadew> *mystery 2016-10-15T02:52:00 < dongs> jadew: why do you promote autism? 2016-10-15T02:52:35 < LeelooMinai> Well, no idea what's going on... This does not compile, but when I use the line above it does... The only diff is a different enum used, the code is the same. http://i.imgur.com/nXBIoH6.png 2016-10-15T02:52:36 < jadew> you ignored her too? 2016-10-15T02:52:42 < dongs> "her" 2016-10-15T02:53:13 < LeelooMinai> For dongs there are no women on IRC - that's how he rolls:) 2016-10-15T02:53:26 < LeelooMinai> Living in an imaginary world of his:p 2016-10-15T02:53:29 < Laurenceb_> wait there is a grrrl on irc? 2016-10-15T02:53:39 < Laurenceb_> this would make history 2016-10-15T02:53:40 < dongs> jadew: the signal to noise ratio is pretty low, its mostly autism and arguing about shit thats unrelated to STM32 2016-10-15T02:55:23 < LeelooMinai> dongs on the other hand never goes of topic, never uses inappropriate language, etc. - he is the ultimate citizen of IRC:p 2016-10-15T02:56:27 < Laurenceb_> I'm still shocked by rumours of a grrl on irc 2016-10-15T02:56:39 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I even used "preprocess only" option to see if those silly CMSIS headers did not massacre something, but I don't see anything weird. 2016-10-15T02:56:57 < dongs> LeelooMinai: put your dick down, the rumours are just that. 2016-10-15T02:57:01 < jadew> LeelooMinai, what's the error? 2016-10-15T02:57:12 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T02:57:49 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Some constexpr complaint: http://i.imgur.com/xfGS9rA.png 2016-10-15T02:58:01 < LeelooMinai> But as I wrote, this does not happen for the other enum - bizzare. 2016-10-15T02:58:50 * stvn reads the log 2016-10-15T02:58:55 < stvn> good stm32 chats 2016-10-15T02:59:51 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I mean, I have this in the header: http://i.imgur.com/ZlE9BU2.png 2016-10-15T02:59:59 < LeelooMinai> How on earth one can work and the other, not... 2016-10-15T03:01:26 < stvn> i always thought c++ was evil 2016-10-15T03:02:35 < jadew> LeelooMinai, are they the same type? 2016-10-15T03:02:47 < jadew> SYSCLK and _48MHz? 2016-10-15T03:03:06 < LeelooMinai> jadew: No... http://i.imgur.com/AOcfqWJ.png 2016-10-15T03:03:51 < jadew> ah, enums 2016-10-15T03:04:09 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but class oness, properly typed 2016-10-15T03:04:49 < stvn> LeelooMinai: what did the c++ pros here tell you? 2016-10-15T03:05:16 < LeelooMinai> What can anyone tell - it should work:) 2016-10-15T03:06:10 < stvn> try it in keil :D 2016-10-15T03:08:33 < jadew> any chance you have some program path in setBits that may make it non constant? 2016-10-15T03:09:17 < LeelooMinai> jadew: For one enum and not for other? How is that possible even:/ 2016-10-15T03:09:44 < jadew> I don't know, you could have some checks in there that change its behaviour 2016-10-15T03:09:54 < LeelooMinai> No, no checks for enums. 2016-10-15T03:10:03 < LeelooMinai> Or types, etc. It's a simple template. 2016-10-15T03:10:51 < jadew> remove its contents and see if the error goes away 2016-10-15T03:11:27 < jadew> then put it back and remove other chunks of it until you narrow it down 2016-10-15T03:11:53 < LeelooMinai> It goes away, but that won't help me - the problem is that it works with the other enum. 2016-10-15T03:12:32 < jadew> are there no if s in there? 2016-10-15T03:12:42 < LeelooMinai> No 2016-10-15T03:13:11 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/Ndqaqhm.png 2016-10-15T03:13:40 < jadew> you don't sign files with your name? :) 2016-10-15T03:14:32 < LeelooMinai> What do you mean. There is some top comment that comes there automatically - probably takes the name from the login, and I just leave it like that. 2016-10-15T03:14:52 < LeelooMinai> It's for my use, so does not matter:) 2016-10-15T03:15:38 < LeelooMinai> I have been stupified by this error. 2016-10-15T03:15:56 < LeelooMinai> Now I will turn into a block of stone and sit there forever. 2016-10-15T03:15:58 < jadew> I wrote something similar, inspired by zyp's stuff 2016-10-15T03:16:45 < LeelooMinai> Well, so far it has been going nice - it's much more fun than using those C HALs. 2016-10-15T03:16:57 < jadew> yeah, much cleaner 2016-10-15T03:17:08 < LeelooMinai> You do everything in your way and you don't have to worry about features that are not needed yet or maybe ever. 2016-10-15T03:18:20 < LeelooMinai> And he did that on purpose - puzzling... :) 2016-10-15T03:18:30 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I don't know why it doesn't work, but this is still your best bet 2016-10-15T03:18:36 < LeelooMinai> Probably some kind of exhibinionist:p 2016-10-15T03:18:40 < jadew> remove parts of it 2016-10-15T03:18:42 < jadew> and see what fixes it 2016-10-15T03:18:54 < jadew> then you know what to focus on 2016-10-15T03:19:57 < LeelooMinai> But OCD tells me "But one enum is magical and one not - how can it be? Can you just ignore it? No. No. No." 2016-10-15T03:20:17 < stvn> the grand wizard Laurenceb_ might know how to fix it 2016-10-15T03:20:18 < jadew> could be one of the bits, that makes it do one more thing it doesn't want to 2016-10-15T03:20:42 < Laurenceb_> oh god I didnt see that one coming 2016-10-15T03:20:43 < stvn> i want to learn C# for STM32 2016-10-15T03:20:54 < kakimir> anyone have experience with oled color displays from ebay? 2016-10-15T03:20:59 < LeelooMinai> Right, I need to do more experiments. Copy the fields for example into the "bad" enum. 2016-10-15T03:21:03 < kakimir> *full colour 2016-10-15T03:21:10 < stvn> kakimir: no but i bet there are some good ones and bad ones 2016-10-15T03:21:13 < kakimir> stvn: stop dreaming 2016-10-15T03:21:13 < jadew> for example, I have redundant code that does some constexpr stuff, because gcc couldn't use a previous constexpr value 2016-10-15T03:21:29 < stvn> kakimir: you have to dream man, or else you may become sour and sad 2016-10-15T03:21:40 < jadew> so in order to use that value, I had to add its expression again, where I needed it 2016-10-15T03:21:47 < jadew> (instead of referencing the value itself) 2016-10-15T03:21:54 < stvn> once you stop dreaming you may become sour and miserable like me 2016-10-15T03:22:16 < LeelooMinai> Well, C#, probably not that a great idea. Maybe Rust. C# wants garbage collection so that's a fail on micros. 2016-10-15T03:22:17 < kakimir> stvn: but autism dreaming 2016-10-15T03:22:28 < kakimir> just useless 2016-10-15T03:22:38 < jadew> has anyone tried rust? 2016-10-15T03:22:54 < jadew> how can it guarantee protection from buffer overflows? 2016-10-15T03:23:34 < LeelooMinai> I look at it every year, but, it has no tooling that I would want, so cannot use. 2016-10-15T03:23:49 < jadew> how do you do while (data = takeInput()) { buff[index++] = data; }? 2016-10-15T03:23:53 < LeelooMinai> BUt I saw some people experimenting with running it on micros. 2016-10-15T03:23:56 < jadew> it doesn't allow you to do it? 2016-10-15T03:24:27 < zyp> dynamic size buffers? 2016-10-15T03:24:44 < kakimir> C# is great I bet but learning to use it for cortex... takes a while I bet 2016-10-15T03:24:47 < zyp> or maybe just bound checking? idk. 2016-10-15T03:24:59 < zyp> isn't there embedded .NET stuff? 2016-10-15T03:25:00 < jadew> zyp, yeah, but that's a scenario in which bound checking doesn't work 2016-10-15T03:25:03 < zyp> pretty sure I've seen it 2016-10-15T03:25:08 < dongs> .net micro framework 2016-10-15T03:25:14 < dongs> works fine, even on STM32 2016-10-15T03:25:48 < LeelooMinai> jadew: It's supposed to be "system programming" language. I think it should do what C can do + much more. The only risky feature I saw in there was something about ownership of variables - not sure if that's 100% sound in practice. 2016-10-15T03:26:23 < jadew> LeelooMinai, sure, but how? how does it achieve that? 2016-10-15T03:26:28 < LeelooMinai> They have ideas there of passing ownerships around, etc. - pretty strange 2016-10-15T03:26:34 < jadew> super smart checking, or by disallowing various practices? 2016-10-15T03:26:44 < LeelooMinai> jadew: No, it's built into the language. 2016-10-15T03:26:46 < kakimir> what is wrong with C? 2016-10-15T03:26:51 < zyp> LeelooMinai, not too unlike move semantics in C++? 2016-10-15T03:26:58 < jadew> LeelooMinai, well, you pass ownership in C++ too 2016-10-15T03:27:14 < zyp> jadew, yeah, it's just about making it explicit who's owning an object 2016-10-15T03:27:25 < LeelooMinai> They "went to town" with it though - you would have to read the details, last time I read the specs was 2 years ago or more. 2016-10-15T03:27:33 < zyp> C++11 with smart pointers and move semantics and you've got something similar 2016-10-15T03:28:17 < LeelooMinai> I thought move semantics is mostly for avoiding unnecessary copies - like in-place construction, etc. It's not really the same grade. 2016-10-15T03:28:44 < jadew> LeelooMinai, there's also unique_ptr 2016-10-15T03:28:48 < zyp> it's also used to transfer ownership of unique_ptr 2016-10-15T03:28:52 < jadew> which is for passing around stuff 2016-10-15T03:28:53 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-15T03:28:55 < LeelooMinai> In there it guarantees (I think) correctness. 2016-10-15T03:28:57 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T03:29:23 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Seriously, you think that there's nothing wrong with C? :p 2016-10-15T03:29:38 < kakimir> I don't 2016-10-15T03:29:42 < kakimir> I hate it 2016-10-15T03:29:52 < jadew> is the rust compiler any good? 2016-10-15T03:29:54 < LeelooMinai> Man, the inventor on C must have been god-like then. Made perfect language:) 2016-10-15T03:30:40 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Maybe? :) No idea - as I wrote, I was not crazy enough to actually go ahead and use it. 2016-10-15T03:30:48 < zyp> I don't get why C still doesn't have default arguments 2016-10-15T03:30:52 < kakimir> there is something wrong with it but I don't really know what 2016-10-15T03:30:58 < jadew> zyp, it does if you use g++ :P 2016-10-15T03:31:01 < LeelooMinai> ... 2016-10-15T03:31:21 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: One could make 1000 point list what's wrong with it... 2016-10-15T03:31:33 < zyp> it's probably the thing about C that annoys me the most when I have to use it 2016-10-15T03:31:41 < kakimir> okay tell me the number 1 2016-10-15T03:31:44 < jadew> zyp, same here 2016-10-15T03:31:52 < jadew> it's not that there's something wrong with it, it's just an old language 2016-10-15T03:31:57 < LeelooMinai> For me #1 would be probably no namespace-like constructs. 2016-10-15T03:31:58 < zyp> either that or the separate namespaces for structs, enums and other types 2016-10-15T03:32:15 < aandrew> huh 2016-10-15T03:32:43 < aandrew> altium vault component uses vias in the footprint to connect the exposed pad to the inner layers, which of course doesn't work 2016-10-15T03:32:48 < aandrew> wtf, people pay for this shit? 2016-10-15T03:32:55 < LeelooMinai> Meh, default arguments - that's not such a big deal imo. 2016-10-15T03:33:08 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: okay I do not identify 2016-10-15T03:33:14 < LeelooMinai> I mean, sure, it's nice, but not as crucial as having proper modularisation tools. 2016-10-15T03:33:20 < kakimir> how about #2? 2016-10-15T03:33:29 < Rob235> lqfp a good package for beginners? 2016-10-15T03:33:40 < jadew> how about lack of constructors/destructors? :) 2016-10-15T03:33:55 < zyp> LeelooMinai, idk, giving all your symbols a common prefix works pretty well 2016-10-15T03:34:00 < jadew> but again, it's just an old language 2016-10-15T03:34:16 < LeelooMinai> #2 No way to write anything parametrized/generic - no templates, no oop, inheritance. Zero techniques for nice code reuse. 2016-10-15T03:34:35 < LeelooMinai> Only kludges at best. 2016-10-15T03:34:52 < zyp> well, duh, if you want that you want C++ 2016-10-15T03:35:01 < zyp> people insisting on C doesn't want that 2016-10-15T03:35:45 < LeelooMinai> Well, then they keep coding in primitive ways I guess... 2016-10-15T03:36:14 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: I don't know how they made that floor that, but should not happen imo... :) 2016-10-15T03:36:21 < LeelooMinai> that=there 2016-10-15T03:36:25 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: okay that is my #1 2016-10-15T03:36:34 < stvn> number one charlie 2016-10-15T03:36:34 < zyp> regarding namespaces, I'm not too much a fan of those 2016-10-15T03:36:41 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@bas2-toronto26-2925094024.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-15T03:36:47 < kakimir> writing shittonnes of code just because it's C 2016-10-15T03:36:55 < LeelooMinai> zyp: You have everything in one falt place? :p 2016-10-15T03:37:03 < LeelooMinai> flat* 2016-10-15T03:37:33 < zyp> mostly 2016-10-15T03:37:49 < LeelooMinai> Right, that sounds like a great idea... or does it o_O 2016-10-15T03:38:13 < zyp> I've found that trying to stuff everything into namespaces tends to turn into something really verbose and/or pointless 2016-10-15T03:39:16 < LeelooMinai> Separating things that are separate is certainly not pointless. 2016-10-15T03:39:28 < zyp> I mean, there's probably a reason that the standard library just dumps everything into std::, not forcing you to type shit like std::iostream::cout << blah << std::iostream::endl; 2016-10-15T03:39:29 < LeelooMinai> Save you on using stupid loing names too. 2016-10-15T03:39:31 < jadew> depends how much you have to separate 2016-10-15T03:40:09 < jadew> regarding that, I have only a couple of extra namespaces in my own library 2016-10-15T03:40:10 < LeelooMinai> zyp: That's for very general code though. 2016-10-15T03:40:25 < jadew> and there's of course the detail namespace 2016-10-15T03:41:02 * LeelooMinai closes the page with the guy that made a hole in the floor like 200 times now 2016-10-15T03:41:09 < kakimir> I need bright multicolor oled about 2inch and prefferably square in shape 2016-10-15T03:41:29 < kakimir> for and small avionics display 2016-10-15T03:41:32 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-19-73-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-15T03:41:33 < jadew> kakimir, by multicolor you mean blue and one yello line? :D 2016-10-15T03:41:37 < jadew> *yellow 2016-10-15T03:41:38 < kakimir> *for an* 2016-10-15T03:41:42 < LeelooMinai> Well, for me using namespaces is natural. 2016-10-15T03:41:51 < kakimir> jadew: no per pixed multicolor 2016-10-15T03:42:05 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-15T03:43:02 < LeelooMinai> For example I have hal hal::rcc hal::gpio right now and both gpio and rcc have structure called Config in there. I don't need to name it some long weird name locally which is great. And from outside I can use rcc:Config or hal:rcc::Config or import it into a block or whatever. Imo that's the most sensible way of dealing with it. 2016-10-15T03:43:29 < jadew> I have all my stuff in rcc:: P 2016-10-15T03:43:31 < jadew> :P 2016-10-15T03:43:46 < jadew> but not for stm :( 2016-10-15T03:44:01 < zyp> I have class RCC_t and class GPIO_t 2016-10-15T03:44:03 < LeelooMinai> When I work inside gpio-related code I don't want the structure being called GpioConfig - that's pointless. I know it's GPIO since the file is all about gpio, so it's just noise. 2016-10-15T03:44:05 < kakimir> okay what is wrong with c++ then 2016-10-15T03:44:23 < kakimir> if you need some other language to program your cortex with? 2016-10-15T03:44:23 < jadew> I mentioned it yesterday too, my initials are rcc 2016-10-15T03:44:26 < LeelooMinai> Exploded specs imo:) 2016-10-15T03:44:45 < LeelooMinai> They grew into something monstrous. And the template stuff is retarded... 2016-10-15T03:45:22 < LeelooMinai> I mean even people who write specs don't often know what will happen in some situations. 2016-10-15T03:45:38 < zyp> templates are fine, it's just the traits/metaprogramming bullshit that's retarded 2016-10-15T03:45:51 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T03:45:54 < LeelooMinai> And they have featrures with notes like "up to C++11"... 2016-10-15T03:46:06 < jadew> zyp, not necessarily retarded 2016-10-15T03:46:11 < jadew> there's a need for it 2016-10-15T03:46:17 < zyp> fair 2016-10-15T03:46:19 < jadew> but it needs more support from the language / IDE 2016-10-15T03:46:30 < zyp> boost does some clever shit with it 2016-10-15T03:46:32 < dongs> i think "auto" is the most retarded thing 2016-10-15T03:46:42 < jadew> zyp, which is close to impossible to understand 2016-10-15T03:46:45 < zyp> no, auto is awesome 2016-10-15T03:46:48 < dongs> auto + vars in middle of scope = fuck right off 2016-10-15T03:46:53 < zyp> haha 2016-10-15T03:46:53 < LeelooMinai> Thank god for constexpr's - that's a killer for micros/embedded programming. 2016-10-15T03:46:56 < dongs> promotes lazy faggot coding 2016-10-15T03:47:08 < zyp> who's not lazy? 2016-10-15T03:47:15 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah 2016-10-15T03:47:49 < LeelooMinai> Right, I don't use auto either. But I see it has uses for some cases - when you get some crazy lamda type return that needs like a panel of experts to write properly. 2016-10-15T03:48:09 < jadew> yeah, I use auto too for big nested template stuff 2016-10-15T03:48:32 < zyp> LeelooMinai, not even for iterators? 2016-10-15T03:49:08 < LeelooMinai> Right, cases like that I mean - when the type is not really that important in terms of making a mistake accidentally. 2016-10-15T03:49:12 < jadew> or callbacks 2016-10-15T03:49:22 < LeelooMinai> If the type is complex, there's a little chance you will misuse it anyways. 2016-10-15T03:49:36 < LeelooMinai> but auto i =2, no, that's silly 2016-10-15T03:49:44 < zyp> agreed 2016-10-15T03:49:47 < jadew> of course, int is shorter :P 2016-10-15T03:51:03 * LeelooMinai looks at the clock and thinks "great, 10 lines of code in 4 hours" ... wee 2016-10-15T03:51:19 < zyp> and how many lines of irc? 2016-10-15T03:51:24 < LeelooMinai> I think I need some yoga therapy 2016-10-15T03:51:40 < dongs> < zyp> and how many lines of irc? 2016-10-15T03:51:44 < LeelooMinai> zyp: That's the point... I am a master of yak shaving... 2016-10-15T03:51:45 < dongs> precisely the problem here 2016-10-15T03:51:48 < dongs> too much autism 2016-10-15T03:51:55 < dongs> this is why I put noisy people on ignore 2016-10-15T03:51:57 < dongs> nothing gets done 2016-10-15T03:52:26 < dongs> like my productivity literally quadrupled when ohsix got ignored. 2016-10-15T03:52:38 < jadew> haha 2016-10-15T03:53:17 < Rob235> hmmm there is an arm cortex-m4f and the f signifies fpu availability? 2016-10-15T03:53:27 < LeelooMinai> dongs: You just spent 6 IRC lines on writing how ignoring noisy people is great... 2016-10-15T03:54:16 < stvn> make stm32 great again, vote dong 2016-10-15T03:54:40 < LeelooMinai> Rob235: Yes: "Conceptually the Cortex-M4 is a Cortex-M3 plus DSP Instructions, and optional floating-point unit (FPU). If a core contains an FPU, it is known as a Cortex-M4F, otherwise it is a Cortex-M4." 2016-10-15T03:54:59 < Rob235> ok 2016-10-15T03:55:02 < Rob235> thanks 2016-10-15T03:55:46 < stvn> the more you know 2016-10-15T03:56:43 < stvn> geez though, i'm stuck in here today doing pioneer DJ mixer repairs again 2016-10-15T03:56:50 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Well, ok, he was a bit on the heavy side, but a plywood floor this would not happen ever... 2016-10-15T03:57:05 < LeelooMinai> with a* 2016-10-15T03:57:49 < stvn> dongs: have you ever employed a slave? 2016-10-15T03:57:49 < LeelooMinai> I don't know what they made it from... Particle board? :) 2016-10-15T03:58:54 < Rob235> looks like the SAM4E is the only one with FPU 2016-10-15T03:59:08 < Rob235> of the SAM4s 2016-10-15T03:59:29 < LeelooMinai> He employed two I2C slaves 2016-10-15T04:00:43 < stvn> i need a slave technician 2016-10-15T04:01:12 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T04:02:32 < LeelooMinai> A Master Technician would have more skills 2016-10-15T04:03:27 < LeelooMinai> Black Belt EE Chi Master - works contactless by using magnetic fields 2016-10-15T04:05:35 < stvn> LeelooMinai: maybe 2016-10-15T04:18:25 < stvn> you know what they say in the electronics repair industry 2016-10-15T04:18:26 < stvn> another day, another dwx2552 2016-10-15T04:18:57 < stvn> naturally my favourite part is writing the bill http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/part.asp?productNum=DWX2552 2016-10-15T04:21:29 -!- KreA is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2016-10-15T04:29:57 < stvn> http://imgur.com/a/IH7cq 2016-10-15T04:42:17 < stvn> lol wtf is that mate 2016-10-15T04:43:29 < LeelooMinai> In other words, where you are mentally challenged:p 2016-10-15T04:46:43 < aandrew> lol who'd pay $5 for that 2016-10-15T04:51:12 < stvn> seems worth $5 to me 2016-10-15T04:51:35 < dongs> someone just figured out how to double click unity.exe 2016-10-15T04:51:42 < dongs> and wants to cash in on the fact that trump will be president 2016-10-15T04:51:44 < dongs> cant blame them 2016-10-15T04:51:48 < stvn> yeah 2016-10-15T04:51:51 < stvn> everyone else is 2016-10-15T04:53:35 < LeelooMinai> Only he has now not much chance for becoming the president, so it's a fail. 2016-10-15T04:59:40 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I'd like to believe that, but I'm not discounting him yet 2016-10-15T05:00:06 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@107.161.88.60] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T05:00:16 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@107.161.88.60] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-15T05:01:12 < LeelooMinai> Antagonized half the population with his misogyny - cannot win now imo:) 2016-10-15T05:01:12 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@110.184.58.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-15T05:01:35 < stvn> yeah i wanted to watch america burn 2016-10-15T05:01:46 < stvn> guess it'll happen regardless 2016-10-15T05:02:05 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/k1dupze60jrx.jpg 2016-10-15T05:02:25 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: he antagonized half the population before 2016-10-15T05:02:45 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I guess - 1% of women are special kind of stupid, but still... 2016-10-15T05:03:13 < aandrew> I dunno. both these candidates are trash, but I think hillary would give stability and trump... anarchy 2016-10-15T05:03:13 < LeelooMinai> Even the not so smart people now paused a bit. 2016-10-15T05:03:46 < aandrew> although I suspect we will have riots to deal with in November 2016-10-15T05:04:36 < LeelooMinai> Time to re-supply the personal zombie-apocalypse bunkers. 2016-10-15T05:04:39 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-15T05:04:41 < aandrew> heh 2016-10-15T05:04:45 < aandrew> nah we're safe up here 2016-10-15T05:04:52 < LeelooMinai> What are those people called?... 2016-10-15T05:04:57 < LeelooMinai> Prepers? :) 2016-10-15T05:05:01 < aandrew> yes 2016-10-15T05:05:07 < aandrew> wow this is stupid 2016-10-15T05:05:22 < aandrew> the LSM6DSM is a 6 axis accel+gyro 2016-10-15T05:05:31 < aandrew> it's axes are oriented one way 2016-10-15T05:05:46 < aandrew> the LSM303AGR is a 6 axis accel+magnetometer 2016-10-15T05:06:18 < dongs> doesnt really matter what they're called in hardware anyway 2016-10-15T05:06:23 < aandrew> its axes are exactly the same, except Y is flipped (positive = "left") from the LSM6DSM (positive = "right") 2016-10-15T05:06:42 < aandrew> I was thinking I could just put one on the other side of the board to get Y fixed up, but then Z is flipped 2016-10-15T05:06:49 -!- kuldeep_ [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-15T05:07:10 < aandrew> yeah I'll fix it in software I guess 2016-10-15T05:07:13 < aandrew> just would have been nice 2016-10-15T05:09:35 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/9dk46 2016-10-15T05:09:38 < aandrew> yay, routed 2016-10-15T05:09:45 < aandrew> now just gotta fix silk 2016-10-15T05:09:49 < aandrew> then on tot he next board 2016-10-15T05:09:51 -!- kuldeep_ [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T05:11:02 < LeelooMinai> Wee... found workaround again: http://i.imgur.com/oROoJaS.png 2016-10-15T05:11:31 < LeelooMinai> Introducing a temp like this works for some reason. 2016-10-15T05:12:05 < LeelooMinai> I knew that banging the head on the desk for hours will result in something good. 2016-10-15T05:13:19 < aandrew> yeah 2016-10-15T05:13:22 < aandrew> they're ok 2016-10-15T05:13:35 < aandrew> I share a pad between two resistors for selecting high/low for a signal 2016-10-15T05:14:03 < aandrew> and there are a bunch of tiny LVDS transcievers that have 0402 resistors to be used if I don't want to use LVDS 2016-10-15T05:14:26 < aandrew> the only real collision I'm not happy with is the microsd card; it collides with the through-hole pins of the connector on the other side 2016-10-15T05:14:35 < aandrew> but I can manually clip them, kapton and solder the microsd 2016-10-15T05:14:46 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Those are jsut registers that are being "pre-coocked" during the confuiguration phase. That is, they are later copied into the volatile HW ones from the read only section. 2016-10-15T05:15:25 < LeelooMinai> Still, this must happen during compile and didn't want due to some weird behaviour. 2016-10-15T05:17:21 < LeelooMinai> It's all pretty new - C++14 and I guess it's not 100% clear what should happen in all weird cases. They did not even fix the libraries for constexprs properly yet. 2016-10-15T05:18:07 < LeelooMinai> So could not use std:array and std::bitset for example and had to write my own bitset equivalent - fortunatelly it was pretty simple. 2016-10-15T05:19:26 < LeelooMinai> It's just to tap at the lines? 2016-10-15T05:20:33 < LeelooMinai> May screw the signal integrity though. 2016-10-15T05:22:16 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-15T05:25:12 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@107.161.88.60] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T05:25:23 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@107.161.88.60] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-15T05:25:52 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T05:26:06 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@107.161.88.60] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T05:26:17 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@107.161.88.60] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-15T05:33:44 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/59dfda2f942a4974ac22c49586fa3bd3?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=174672fe0c40eae11335498a7f97be76 2016-10-15T05:34:21 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-15T05:34:47 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@107.161.88.60] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T05:34:58 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@107.161.88.60] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-15T05:41:27 < LeelooMinai> It's just a way to express big range of numbers 2016-10-15T05:42:03 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@107.161.88.60] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T05:42:13 < LeelooMinai> IN a concise way that is 2016-10-15T05:42:34 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@107.161.88.60] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-15T05:42:41 < LeelooMinai> I had a logarithmic ryler-thing, I know 2016-10-15T05:42:46 < LeelooMinai> ruler* 2016-10-15T05:43:26 < LeelooMinai> When I was amall I knew how to use it, but no I would not know though:) 2016-10-15T05:43:33 < LeelooMinai> now* 2016-10-15T05:51:39 < stvn> hi LeelooMinai and ohsix 2016-10-15T05:51:42 < syke> on the other side of that log stick, You can find quick&dirty chart of aproximations between dB .. no no no, logarithm of a value 2016-10-15T05:52:22 < syke> on my radio amateur club on university campus, even sweets are sold in dB€ 2016-10-15T05:52:34 < stvn> upgrdman: that sounds dumb mate 2016-10-15T05:52:47 < syke> quite confusing on .50 € ice scream 2016-10-15T05:52:49 < upgrdman> mhmmmm 2016-10-15T05:53:00 < stvn> i have a false arm 2016-10-15T06:07:02 * LeelooMinai ponders if to spend 26 min on watching Dave making a RPI cluster... 2016-10-15T06:07:51 < LeelooMinai> I can only hear to 15kHz or so:) 2016-10-15T06:10:40 < Thorn> http://kolyan.net/uploads/posts/2016-10/1476334068_obiyavleniya_22.jpg 2016-10-15T06:11:20 < aandrew> lol 2016-10-15T06:11:22 < LeelooMinai> What is "shtshap"? :) 2016-10-15T06:11:25 < aandrew> back annotate and altium crashes 2016-10-15T06:11:36 < aandrew> good thing I committed to git before doing it 2016-10-15T06:14:05 < Thorn> automatic transfer switch most likely 2016-10-15T06:16:18 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, how can it change the speed without changing the pitch? 2016-10-15T06:17:21 < LeelooMinai> Ok, but if dave voic is at 10kHz and you play it at 1.5 speed, wouldn't that result in 15kHz frequency? 2016-10-15T06:19:36 < LeelooMinai> I guess I am not good at audio - I would think that you would lose information or something at it would sound unrecognizable. 2016-10-15T06:20:10 < LeelooMinai> and it* 2016-10-15T06:21:38 < jadew> freaking stupid chinese batteries 2016-10-15T06:21:50 < jadew> I got a replacement battery for my camera (a couple of years ago) 2016-10-15T06:22:00 < stvn> ah yeah 2016-10-15T06:22:00 < jadew> higher capacity than the original 2016-10-15T06:22:03 < stvn> ah yeah 2016-10-15T06:22:08 < jadew> it now lasts ~30 seconds 2016-10-15T06:22:56 < jadew> oh well, I can make an adapter out of it 2016-10-15T06:22:59 < stvn> sounds like what happened to mine. 2016-10-15T06:23:30 < jadew> I haven't even used it (maybe that was the issue - although the original is still fine) 2016-10-15T06:24:23 < jadew> ohsix, interesting 2016-10-15T06:24:56 < LeelooMinai> Ok, so sound voodoo - moving on:p 2016-10-15T06:25:06 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T06:25:32 < jadew> doesn't sound that complicated 2016-10-15T06:25:34 < Rob235> why is the art of electronics $95 new and practical electronics for inventors is $22 2016-10-15T06:25:45 * LeelooMinai suddenly remembers WoW and Shamans who could shrink heads 2016-10-15T06:27:21 < LeelooMinai> O, hello, I am getting used to it: http://i.imgur.com/w3LWenF.png 2016-10-15T06:28:06 < jadew> \o/ 2016-10-15T06:28:11 < jadew> you broke it 2016-10-15T06:28:24 < LeelooMinai> Right, at least once per day seems to be new norm 2016-10-15T06:28:58 < jadew> ok... so now I'm out of battery, so I can't film this thing anymore 2016-10-15T06:29:24 < LeelooMinai> jadew: And you want to be professional youtube content provider... shame! 2016-10-15T06:29:44 < jadew> I'll use my webcam 2016-10-15T06:30:11 < LeelooMinai> Right, and there will be 100 troll messages. "What are you using a potato to film it?" 2016-10-15T06:30:39 < jadew> LeelooMinai, haha, I don't mind trolling 2016-10-15T06:30:50 < jadew> I have thick skin, I can deal with them 2016-10-15T06:31:23 < jadew> lol R2COM 2016-10-15T06:31:48 < LeelooMinai> they can vote all they want - too late now 2016-10-15T06:32:47 < LeelooMinai> It's over - he is seen as mysoginist now, rapist and recently even a pedophile. So, game over pretty much. 2016-10-15T06:33:59 < LeelooMinai> Not if there are tapes of him saying stupid things and people who start revealing his past behaviour. 2016-10-15T06:34:35 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Right, maybe C++20:) 2016-10-15T06:35:50 < stvn> aren't we a bunch of cheerfuls 2016-10-15T06:37:22 < stvn> i'm bored 2016-10-15T06:37:36 < stvn> spent too much time at the shop today, gotta fuckoffski and get a beer 2016-10-15T06:37:39 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You have holes in logic again there. Tapes were only pointing to him taking advantage of women. The rape came up later. Same with the pedophile-like behaviour - there's a video of him talking to 10yo girl that in 10 years he will date her + him entering some pageant rooms with young girls and looking around:) 2016-10-15T06:38:18 < LeelooMinai> So, it's a pattern and he is screwed - they won't let him get away with this now. 2016-10-15T06:39:03 < stvn> later pros and hoes 2016-10-15T06:39:08 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has quit [Quit: there is no cure for autism] 2016-10-15T06:39:20 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: lol, and who is "an imbecile" here... 2016-10-15T06:41:57 < LeelooMinai> Some yes. That is clear from R2COM's example. You can think that people cannot get more naive/stupid, but they always can. 2016-10-15T06:42:39 < LeelooMinai> But much less now, and that's enough to tip the scales imo. 2016-10-15T06:43:23 < LeelooMinai> Even republicans start abandoning him now. 2016-10-15T06:44:01 < LeelooMinai> Your problem - that's why never put anyone on ignore. 2016-10-15T06:44:05 < LeelooMinai> I never* 2016-10-15T06:44:41 < LeelooMinai> How about you put yourself on ignore, so when you type something, nothing comes out:p 2016-10-15T06:45:37 < LeelooMinai> Be my guest. 2016-10-15T06:47:49 < LeelooMinai> Not really - you probably live in a state with people like you 2016-10-15T06:48:12 < LeelooMinai> Or suburb 2016-10-15T06:49:27 < LeelooMinai> That's meaningless - global pools matter, not what you see:) 2016-10-15T06:49:34 < LeelooMinai> polls* 2016-10-15T06:50:27 < LeelooMinai> There may be 100 reasons. 2016-10-15T06:51:40 < LeelooMinai> I suspect that many people don't like any of the candidates, so don't have stickers, etc., but when pressed they would rather vote for anything but not Trump. Also, the Trump suporters are fanatics by nature, so will use stickers. 2016-10-15T06:53:35 < LeelooMinai> Right, now everything is made up. 2016-10-15T06:53:59 < LeelooMinai> Doesn't matter - he will not win:) 2016-10-15T06:56:30 < LeelooMinai> I don't know what place you live in, but condolences. 2016-10-15T06:57:49 < LeelooMinai> Yes, and you probably see the most vocal fanatics and think that they represent most people. 2016-10-15T06:58:05 < aandrew> http://gerblook.org/pcb/SLdCg7XnE7UvM6oyxnw7kG tada 2016-10-15T06:58:19 < LeelooMinai> Potato pohato:) 2016-10-15T06:59:37 < LeelooMinai> Well, keep thinking that he has more votes - we will see soon:) 2016-10-15T07:01:18 < emeb_mac> who would want a father and then son to be president? 2016-10-15T07:01:31 < emeb_mac> Bush and Bush 2016-10-15T07:01:32 < LeelooMinai> Yet Bushes 2016-10-15T07:02:55 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You don't get it that many people don't like either candidates, but Trump is an abomination and trumps anyone else? 2016-10-15T07:04:17 < LeelooMinai> Hilary is a "meh" choice, not very appealing and rather sad, but it's better than having a joke of a con business man, with a brain of 10yo, possibly sexual predator, etc. 2016-10-15T07:05:34 < LeelooMinai> He is more than a joke - a caricature of a person. 2016-10-15T07:05:57 < LeelooMinai> lol 2016-10-15T07:06:10 < LeelooMinai> If you see no problems, I guess there's nothing to talk... 2016-10-15T07:06:23 < LeelooMinai> But you may be blind, so I would check that. 2016-10-15T07:06:35 < LeelooMinai> I am? 2016-10-15T07:07:04 < LeelooMinai> Because I don't agree with people like you and dongs writing silly bigoted statements? 2016-10-15T07:07:13 * upgrdman looks at his IRC window... lolwut going on in here 2016-10-15T07:07:17 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@bas2-toronto26-2925094753.dsl.bell.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T07:07:19 < LeelooMinai> I certainly did not say it's normal... 2016-10-15T07:07:30 < LeelooMinai> Of course it's far from normal, that's the point:) 2016-10-15T07:07:58 < LeelooMinai> But many people are, and that does not mean one should treat those people with hate/disrespect. 2016-10-15T07:08:21 < LeelooMinai> lol... 2016-10-15T07:08:47 < LeelooMinai> You don't hate, but you try using it as insult towards random people on IRC - that's precious. 2016-10-15T07:10:27 < LeelooMinai> ... 2016-10-15T07:10:45 < aandrew> the autism is strong tonight 2016-10-15T07:11:21 < LeelooMinai> It was hackitten's website - there's nothing really there that's different from other people websites. 2016-10-15T07:11:50 < LeelooMinai> I guess for you it's somehow controversial, but for many people it's not really. 2016-10-15T07:12:21 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T07:12:40 < LeelooMinai> Yes, so she probably has there some stories about people discriminating agsinst there, so what. I don't even know, because I did not read it fully. 2016-10-15T07:13:08 < jadew> I just installed some piece of software and something awesome happened, it asked me if I wanted to use the shortcuts from other programs I might be familiar with and gave me a list of options 2016-10-15T07:13:13 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Do you have to be such a caveman - I don't even know if you are trolling now or you are really that limited... 2016-10-15T07:13:44 < LeelooMinai> ,,, 2016-10-15T07:13:52 * LeelooMinai facepalms 2016-10-15T07:13:59 < stvn> hi guise~ 2016-10-15T07:14:07 < LeelooMinai> Man, you are all over the place - no sense. 2016-10-15T07:14:09 < upgrdman> oh hai 2016-10-15T07:14:10 < jadew> yeah... I think I walked in on something weird 2016-10-15T07:14:14 < aandrew> R2COM: serioulsy ... what business is it of yours what a man chooses to do with his dick? 2016-10-15T07:14:19 < stvn> this channel has taken an interesting direction as of late 2016-10-15T07:14:24 < aandrew> THat's some seriously homosexual thought there 2016-10-15T07:14:28 < stvn> R2COM, i'm back at my workshop 2016-10-15T07:14:44 < stvn> and i have beer 2016-10-15T07:14:55 < LeelooMinai> Well, it may be that R2COM has some inner struggle and it manifests itself like this - it's actually quite common from what I read:) 2016-10-15T07:14:58 < stvn> 1514 2016-10-15T07:15:01 < stvn> pi time 2016-10-15T07:15:06 < stvn> 3:14pm 2016-10-15T07:15:28 < stvn> depends 2016-10-15T07:15:46 < stvn> there is a bedroom upstairs 2016-10-15T07:16:05 < upgrdman> do you show them your collection of fluxes 2016-10-15T07:16:20 -!- kuldeep_ [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-15T07:16:30 < stvn> upgrdman, perhaps 2016-10-15T07:16:40 < stvn> o,o 2016-10-15T07:16:54 < stvn> i have CAIG RMA flux 2016-10-15T07:16:58 < stvn> and some flux pens 2016-10-15T07:17:09 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Man who try to sound super-manly on every step, seldom are:) 2016-10-15T07:17:39 < stvn> so hi stm32 people 2016-10-15T07:17:59 < stvn> brother Steffanx would be disappointed 2016-10-15T07:18:08 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, dont waste time arguing with leeloo. she loves to argue. it fuels her. 2016-10-15T07:18:09 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: lol, as I wrote once, you sound like some character from a rap video 2016-10-15T07:18:25 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: OK, I will tell her 2016-10-15T07:18:35 < upgrdman> lol 2016-10-15T07:18:35 < LeelooMinai> ... 2016-10-15T07:18:36 < stvn> LeelooMinai, did you fix your c++ 2016-10-15T07:19:02 < LeelooMinai> Yes, then today I caused seg fault again, and now I am at 4th workaround... 2016-10-15T07:19:13 < stvn> hmm... 2016-10-15T07:19:35 < upgrdman> workaround: malloc() most of memory. harder to run out of bounds that way. 2016-10-15T07:19:44 < LeelooMinai> But IRC is distracting, especially with people like R2COM saying things that make ones mind stop:) 2016-10-15T07:19:54 < stvn> IRC is life 2016-10-15T07:19:59 < upgrdman> and yet you keep running with it 2016-10-15T07:20:00 < stvn> are you prepared to die for IRC LeelooMinai ? 2016-10-15T07:20:26 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: I though that maybe he can improve a bit... 2016-10-15T07:20:35 < LeelooMinai> But it may be futile... 2016-10-15T07:20:44 < upgrdman> so naive, typical of a woman 2016-10-15T07:20:45 < upgrdman> ;) 2016-10-15T07:20:58 < LeelooMinai> I understand R2COM is pretty young, no? 2016-10-15T07:20:59 < dongs> https://media.giphy.com/media/peqUP2xdeIHG8/giphy.gif 2016-10-15T07:21:09 < upgrdman> r2cum is prolly in his 30s 2016-10-15T07:21:16 < dongs> R2COM: thats already been proven fact 2016-10-15T07:21:18 < LeelooMinai> No way he is in 30s... 2016-10-15T07:21:21 < dongs> that it's a M2F 2016-10-15T07:21:36 < LeelooMinai> dongs and his "facts"... 2016-10-15T07:22:03 < LeelooMinai> dongs: You know who believes fantasies are facts? Crazy people:p 2016-10-15T07:22:20 < upgrdman> :) 2016-10-15T07:28:09 < PeterM> good to see ##stm32 is still ##stm32 and R2COM is still spurting shit and LeelooMinai is still being baited by it. 2016-10-15T07:28:34 * stvn passes PeterM a beer 2016-10-15T07:29:09 < upgrdman> master baiter 2016-10-15T07:29:22 * PeterM cracks open the fosters 2016-10-15T07:29:28 < PeterM> R2COM, yeah? 2016-10-15T07:29:44 < LeelooMinai> Who baits who - that is the question, isn't it? :p 2016-10-15T07:30:07 < PeterM> LeelooMinai, i said bait not bate 2016-10-15T07:30:25 < PeterM> and the answer to that is, everyone circle jerks 2016-10-15T07:30:27 < LeelooMinai> So did I... 2016-10-15T07:30:35 < PeterM> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RjC-vh06_c this is stvn 2016-10-15T07:30:48 < stvn> and that's heaps sick ayye 2016-10-15T07:31:23 < PeterM> ayyeeee 2016-10-15T07:31:39 < PeterM> R2COM, got a link handy? 2016-10-15T07:31:59 < PeterM> ahh 2016-10-15T07:32:01 < PeterM> yeah 2016-10-15T07:32:07 < PeterM> thats legit 2016-10-15T07:32:29 < PeterM> was driving to the other farm yesterday, the bloke in front of my hit a roo 2016-10-15T07:32:36 < PeterM> fucked his forrester real good. 2016-10-15T07:32:55 < PeterM> forester* 2016-10-15T07:33:21 < LeelooMinai> Who cares... Is the roo fine? :p 2016-10-15T07:33:39 < sync> poor subie 2016-10-15T07:33:46 < PeterM> basically the entire drivers side of the front (aus) or passenger side(us) was obliterated and the other side was all bent out 2016-10-15T07:34:07 < PeterM> the roo? it looked liek a truck carrying raspberries rolled over 2016-10-15T07:34:15 < PeterM> he hit it doing 110km/h 2016-10-15T07:34:25 < LeelooMinai> :( 2016-10-15T07:35:21 < sync> nice 2016-10-15T07:35:33 < sync> roos are suprisingly dense 2016-10-15T07:35:48 < sync> well, I guess so is every bag of red fluid 2016-10-15T07:35:51 < LeelooMinai> They need a lot of muscles to hop like that 2016-10-15T07:35:57 < PeterM> the bloke was uninjured (aside from bruises etc), but couldnt get out 2016-10-15T07:36:22 < PeterM> because the steering wheel was sandwiching him into the seat 2016-10-15T07:36:54 < PeterM> very lucky 2016-10-15T07:37:05 < stvn> did he have a boong bar? 2016-10-15T07:37:54 < PeterM> nah 2016-10-15T07:38:11 < stvn> yeah that'd be great 2016-10-15T07:38:38 < stvn> better yet set up in front of me 2016-10-15T07:38:45 < stvn> have girls in bikinis waving the pricks in 2016-10-15T07:40:45 < LeelooMinai> Japanese can be little OCD at times... 2016-10-15T07:41:24 < LeelooMinai> Over-meticulous 2016-10-15T07:42:07 < stvn> if i have to service another dj mixer full of drikn 2016-10-15T07:42:18 < emeb_mac> the gov't knows... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zH9Zca1vRM 2016-10-15T07:42:25 < stvn> might as well chuck it in a washing machine 2016-10-15T07:46:59 < PeterM> the fuck did i jsut watch emeb_mac 2016-10-15T07:47:16 < emeb_mac> PeterM: it's awesome 2016-10-15T07:50:35 < sync> yeah stvn I have made some money by throwing mixers into the dishwasher and drying them 2016-10-15T07:51:04 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T07:52:49 < stvn> i'd do it if i desoldered the pots 2016-10-15T07:54:14 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-15T07:54:16 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-15T07:54:20 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-15T07:54:33 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/LBqKaJn.jpg 2016-10-15T07:54:38 < stvn> another $300 saved 2016-10-15T07:55:31 < stvn> coca cola chewed through some vias 2016-10-15T07:56:59 < stvn> any idea on how this board tech works sync? holes aren't plated through but there are vias 2016-10-15T07:57:04 < stvn> seem to die easy though 2016-10-15T07:57:26 < sync> pots usually survive 2016-10-15T07:57:33 < stvn> i'll give it a blast 2016-10-15T07:57:44 < sync> those look like regular vias 2016-10-15T07:57:54 < sync> but ENORESOLUTION 2016-10-15T07:57:56 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-15T07:58:00 < stvn> which means? 2016-10-15T07:58:02 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T07:58:12 < sync> can't see shit from that picture 2016-10-15T07:58:14 < stvn> i'm really not expecting a plated through hole 2016-10-15T07:58:15 < stvn> ok 2016-10-15T07:58:45 < stvn> all i know is its a cheaper process pioneer use to be jews 2016-10-15T07:59:19 -!- dekar [~dekar@107.161.88.60] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T07:59:30 -!- dekar [~dekar@107.161.88.60] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-15T08:00:08 -!- dekar [~dekar@107.161.88.60] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T08:00:36 -!- dekar [~dekar@107.161.88.60] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-15T08:01:26 < sync> maybe they are just filled with solder? 2016-10-15T08:03:20 < stvn> well i was guessing that 2016-10-15T08:03:46 < stvn> i really have no idea about these cheaper styles of boards 2016-10-15T08:04:15 < sync> I know that japanese fabs use some strange solder that doesn't like to desolder properly 2016-10-15T08:04:20 < sync> maybe dongs knows details 2016-10-15T08:04:33 < sync> they also like very tight holes for through hole components 2016-10-15T08:04:59 < stvn> i like their power tranzistas 2016-10-15T08:05:29 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T08:06:17 < stvn> ebay love to sell fake toshibas 2016-10-15T08:07:11 < stvn> 2sa1943/2sc5200 are the most common 2016-10-15T08:14:51 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-15T08:16:12 -!- dekar [~dekar@107.161.88.60] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T08:16:22 -!- dekar [~dekar@107.161.88.60] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-15T08:18:34 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.17.243] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T08:20:32 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/WZ9rHhl.jpg 2016-10-15T08:20:58 < stvn> lil lqfp dac was missing legs from corrosion 2016-10-15T08:22:45 < stvn> cool no 1000pc moq AK4490EQ 2016-10-15T08:26:53 < PeterM> cant you jsut dk that shit 2016-10-15T08:27:13 < stvn> dk? 2016-10-15T08:28:37 < stvn> i'll just assume you mean digikey and yes. there is no insane MOQ 2016-10-15T08:32:14 < PeterM> well i hardly meant donkykong that shit 2016-10-15T08:32:28 < stvn> i was thinking about donkey kong though 2016-10-15T08:32:53 < stvn> it has the right idea, jump over some barrels, whack the hammer about, get some pussy 2016-10-15T09:04:58 < ReadErr> whats dongulating stoners 2016-10-15T09:09:07 < stvn> bout to go out for beers, guitars and pot 2016-10-15T09:09:11 < stvn> u 2016-10-15T09:10:02 < ReadErr> wasting time 2016-10-15T09:10:13 < ReadErr> working 2016-10-15T09:10:15 < ReadErr> or something 2016-10-15T09:30:36 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-15T09:58:21 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T10:17:37 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.154.100] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T10:31:08 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-15T10:34:00 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-15T10:40:57 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75:0:3147:b9b7:f994:1781] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T10:42:41 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T10:43:20 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T10:53:10 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75:0:3147:b9b7:f994:1781] has 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2016-10-15T13:01:53 < PeterM> http://wnyt.com/news/michael-orchard-man-accused-of-stealing-dog-in-halfmoon-saratoga-county/4291294/?cat=10114 2016-10-15T13:05:14 < Steffanx> Those eyes.. 2016-10-15T13:06:32 < PeterM> We asked Trooper Cepiel why there were no drug charges if Orchard was allegedly high. 2016-10-15T13:06:32 < PeterM> "He drove over yards and through the fence. At no point was he on the roadway. And no illegal substances were found in his possession," said Cepiel. 2016-10-15T13:06:32 < PeterM> Troopers say Orchard was very cooperative. The developers say they've already ordered the victims a new door. The dog was unharmed. 2016-10-15T13:06:48 < dongs> ok what. i must be stoned 2016-10-15T13:06:56 < dongs> how the fuck do I disable JTAG-DP on F4 2016-10-15T13:07:01 < dongs> there's no AFIO-MAPR 2016-10-15T13:08:13 < dongs> huh its AF setting 2016-10-15T13:09:08 < dongs> but there's no AF for GPIO 2016-10-15T13:09:24 < zyp> hmm? 2016-10-15T13:09:40 < dongs> i need to reuse PA15 (JTDI) as regular gpio 2016-10-15T13:09:50 < dongs> on F1 i write some trash to AFIO->MAPR 2016-10-15T13:09:51 < zyp> change it from AF mode to gpio mode then 2016-10-15T13:10:09 < dongs> you mean just configure it as gpio and do nothign else? 2016-10-15T13:10:31 < zyp> on F4 and other sane parts, jtag is just an AF like any other, and the pins just starts out set to AF mode 2016-10-15T13:10:59 < zyp> so you just set it back to gpio to disable it 2016-10-15T13:11:02 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T13:11:09 < dongs> man i coulda sworn i did something with mapr on F4 before 2016-10-15T13:11:11 < dongs> must really be stoned. 2016-10-15T13:11:18 < zyp> nah, there's no magic involved 2016-10-15T13:11:29 < dongs> i even searched all my code for like SJW_OFF or whatever the #define was 2016-10-15T13:12:58 -!- kakimir_ is now known as kakimir 2016-10-15T13:22:38 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.162.119] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T13:47:12 -!- c4017 [~c4017@d173-180-81-120.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T13:49:06 -!- c4017_ [~c4017@d173-180-81-120.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T13:49:17 -!- c4017 [~c4017@d173-180-81-120.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-15T13:49:25 -!- c4017_ is now known as c4017 2016-10-15T14:30:58 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T14:34:28 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.162.119] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-15T14:50:22 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T14:50:58 < Tectu> sup 2016-10-15T14:53:35 < Steffanx> sky 2016-10-15T15:05:16 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOwhuTlxE54 musics Steffanx ? 2016-10-15T15:06:35 < Tectu> that ain't no music 2016-10-15T15:09:45 < Steffanx> lol no kakimir 2016-10-15T15:13:25 -!- via_ [~via@smtp2.matthewvia.info] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-15T15:13:26 -!- via_ [~via@vtluug/member/via] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T15:13:28 -!- via_ is now known as via 2016-10-15T15:15:26 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-15T15:15:52 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-15T15:16:16 < kakimir> did huge jubbs placing all my 0603 in those folder sheets for film negatives 2016-10-15T15:16:29 < kakimir> like 3-4hours 2016-10-15T15:16:43 < kakimir> luckily there is even more 0402s 2016-10-15T15:17:01 < kakimir> maybe I do not do them now I rarelly even use them 2016-10-15T15:21:34 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.163.247] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T15:21:45 < Steffanx> i just have a shitload of these things http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1NG0NJpXXXXaPXFXXq6xXFXXX3/Drop-shipping-100pcs-SMD-SMT-component-container-storage-boxes-electronic-case-kit-the-1-Automatically-pops.jpg 2016-10-15T15:21:56 < dongs> those are so awful 2016-10-15T15:21:59 < Steffanx> no. 2016-10-15T15:22:12 < Steffanx> Not for the tiny stashes i have. 2016-10-15T15:24:36 < Tectu> Steffanx has stashes of other things 2016-10-15T15:24:58 < Steffanx> Nein. 2016-10-15T15:25:14 < Steffanx> I dont do drugs. Didn't even try. 2016-10-15T15:25:37 < dongs> zyp, do you have a 'hello world' for ST95 that I can use to scan a card? 2016-10-15T15:25:42 < Steffanx> Except for caffine. 2016-10-15T15:25:58 < dongs> or does it involve complex chats 2016-10-15T15:35:07 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKck5aNnN2SEFoLWs/view?usp=sharing 2016-10-15T15:35:18 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T15:36:53 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-15T15:36:53 -!- BrainDamage_ is now known as BrainDamage 2016-10-15T15:38:50 -!- nikomo_ is now known as nikomo 2016-10-15T15:41:28 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.163.247] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-15T16:16:59 < Lux> or you just get something like that without wasting time: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Chip-Resistor-Assorted-Kit-0603-1-10W-SMD-Resistor-Sample-Book-170values-50pcs-8500pcs-1-0ohm/32323748301.html 2016-10-15T16:17:25 < Steffanx> hehe 2016-10-15T16:17:45 < Lux> you can get the same for caps and other smd sizes 2016-10-15T16:17:55 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-15T16:42:21 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.1.120] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T16:51:05 < Ecco> Hey :) 2016-10-15T16:52:41 < Ecco> I'm looking for a nice SMT connector to hook an STM32 to SWD. What would you guys use? 2016-10-15T16:55:34 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T16:56:55 < dongs> Ecco: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.faqs/attached/13634/cortex_debug_connectors.pdf 2016-10-15T16:57:43 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-15T16:58:00 * Ecco is reading 2016-10-15T16:59:24 < Ecco> Ok so the connector shall be Samtec 0.05” 2016-10-15T16:59:26 < Ecco> Great thanks 2016-10-15T16:59:52 < Ecco> Great, those don't need drilled holes 2016-10-15T17:00:12 < Ecco> Thanks dongs, that was spot on! 2016-10-15T17:00:24 < Ecco> (as usual, shall I add ^^) 2016-10-15T17:01:11 < Ecco> A bunch of those pins don't exist on the STM32, do they? 2016-10-15T17:01:30 < Ecco> "KEY", for example 2016-10-15T17:02:38 < Ecco> Also I don't think there are TRACEDATA pins on the STM32 2016-10-15T17:06:32 < dongs> you only need the 2x5 connector. 2016-10-15T17:06:50 < dongs> https://www.olimex.com/Products/ARM/JTAG/ARM-JTAG-20-10/ 2016-10-15T17:06:51 < kimmoli> KEY is not-a-pin.. a physical KEY, no-pin 2016-10-15T17:06:57 < dongs> and this (if you want) to convert it to 20pin standard armjtag 2016-10-15T17:07:01 < dongs> or you can just make your own cable 2016-10-15T17:07:15 < dongs> yeah, KEY is just no pin, but i just leave the shit NC. 2016-10-15T17:07:26 < dongs> i havent seen any actual cable wiht that pin missing anyway. 2016-10-15T17:07:33 < Ecco> oh, I see 2016-10-15T17:07:49 < Ecco> to prevent inserting in the wrong direction I guess 2016-10-15T17:07:52 < dongs> you only need swclk/swdio 2016-10-15T17:07:57 < dongs> nothign breaks if you do 2016-10-15T17:08:15 < Ecco> Well actually all this is about being a good citizen 2016-10-15T17:08:37 < Ecco> You can always use whatever connector you like : worst case scenario is people having to handcraft an adapter cable 2016-10-15T17:12:25 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T17:15:21 < dongs> this is why i only use the standard one 2016-10-15T17:23:35 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.151.30] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T17:23:58 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T17:28:18 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.151.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-15T17:41:45 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2016-10-15T17:49:14 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.17.243] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T18:07:31 -!- KreAture [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T18:09:49 -!- KreAture [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2016-10-15T18:09:57 -!- KreAture_ [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2016-10-15T18:13:12 -!- KreAture [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T18:16:17 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.17.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-15T18:26:51 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.16.53] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T18:52:52 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-182-46.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T18:55:45 -!- Chris_M|2 [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-152-100.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-15T19:10:37 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-15T19:22:41 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T19:23:09 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.158.249] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T19:27:25 -!- forrestv [forrestv@unaffiliated/forrestv] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-15T19:27:52 < Steffanx> time to browse cat pics on imgur englishman. Lots of them today. 2016-10-15T19:28:12 < Tectu> time to put stroopwafels in my mouth 2016-10-15T19:28:42 -!- nikomo [~quassel@nikomo.eu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-15T19:29:08 < Tectu> eeeewh 2016-10-15T19:29:50 -!- nikomo [~quassel@nikomo.eu] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T19:31:04 -!- forrestv [forrestv@unaffiliated/forrestv] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T19:31:55 < kakimir> duster 2016-10-15T19:32:02 < Steffanx> dasia? 2016-10-15T19:45:10 < ReadErr> englishman: have you verified hes a cat with a cat circle? 2016-10-15T19:52:48 < Lux> http://www.laserpope.church 2016-10-15T19:55:01 < Steffanx> uhm 2016-10-15T19:57:27 < kakimir> what if my cat isn't a cat but looks like a cat? 2016-10-15T19:57:39 < kakimir> it's actually feline from space? 2016-10-15T19:59:41 < Steffanx> Then you're on drugs. 2016-10-15T20:00:40 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T20:03:28 < ds2> are you through the looking glass? 2016-10-15T20:33:31 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T20:34:45 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.16.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-15T20:38:12 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.16.53] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T20:47:12 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-15T20:59:57 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T21:01:11 < Steffanx> How many cats does englishman have? 2016-10-15T21:01:29 < Steffanx> "the twelve" = 12 ? 2016-10-15T21:01:41 < Steffanx> damn. 2016-10-15T21:01:55 < Steffanx> You had 2 and they reproduced? 2016-10-15T21:03:00 < Steffanx> And plenty it is. 1-2 would be more then enough for me. 2016-10-15T21:03:35 < PaulFertser> 2 here 2016-10-15T21:04:04 < Steffanx> Haha. 2016-10-15T21:04:22 < Steffanx> Do you walk them like a dog? 2016-10-15T21:04:42 < Steffanx> Or can they move on their own, outside. 2016-10-15T21:06:38 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-15T21:13:29 -!- theAdib [~theadib@dslb-088-074-171-032.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T21:18:43 < Steffanx> Wut :S 2016-10-15T21:19:19 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T21:23:38 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-15T21:25:11 < ReadErr> englishman: well one is a cat at least 2016-10-15T21:25:35 < ReadErr> Steffanx: coyotes 2016-10-15T21:25:46 < ReadErr> Enjoy kittycat 2016-10-15T21:28:06 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-15T21:32:03 < Steffanx> Sounds kinda like natural selection to me englishman :P 2016-10-15T21:32:36 < Steffanx> our cat can go outside whenever it wants. 2016-10-15T21:33:04 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: I don't know if this is a good idea... 2016-10-15T21:33:22 < Steffanx> nah, it can when we open the door for it. 2016-10-15T21:33:51 < LeelooMinai> Can also catch some disease - pretty risky imo 2016-10-15T21:34:22 < Steffanx> What kind of disease? 2016-10-15T21:34:33 < ReadErr> Feline HIV 2016-10-15T21:34:41 < LeelooMinai> Any kind - from being in contact with other sick cat 2016-10-15T21:34:57 < Steffanx> i dont really see the rick issue. 2016-10-15T21:35:18 < Steffanx> also we have this vaccination for cats. 2016-10-15T21:35:32 < LeelooMinai> Oki... your cat I guess, but there's no way in hell I would let my cat go around like that. 2016-10-15T21:35:58 < LeelooMinai> Right, because vaccination covers all possible diseases. 2016-10-15T21:36:00 < Steffanx> It's pretty common here in dutchland for cats to be outside. 2016-10-15T21:36:27 < kakimir> aids cats 2016-10-15T21:40:55 < Steffanx> ok.. 2016-10-15T21:41:13 < Steffanx> LeelooMinai wouldn't you let your kids ( if you had some) outside either? 2016-10-15T21:42:35 < BrainDamage> indoor kids plump faster and are generally tastier 2016-10-15T21:43:37 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: Kids efventually grow up and move out, so it's necessary. 2016-10-15T21:43:55 < Steffanx> All cats are lazy. 2016-10-15T21:44:04 < Steffanx> like nowadays kids. 2016-10-15T21:44:48 < LeelooMinai> but for a cat to go outside is more like throwing a kid into the middle of a war:) 2016-10-15T21:45:12 < Steffanx> not really. 2016-10-15T21:45:34 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: There are no dangers like cars, dogs, people where you live? 2016-10-15T21:45:50 < Steffanx> dogs, no. 2016-10-15T21:45:52 < Steffanx> people.. danger? 2016-10-15T21:45:59 < Steffanx> cars, sure, but cats can be careful too. 2016-10-15T21:46:01 < LeelooMinai> lol... 2016-10-15T21:46:26 < LeelooMinai> People are not dangerous at all... 2016-10-15T21:46:47 < Steffanx> What do people in canada do to cats? 2016-10-15T21:46:48 < Steffanx> Eat them? 2016-10-15T21:48:13 < LeelooMinai> Some people are nasty - like to throw stuff at animals or try to harm them. 2016-10-15T21:48:16 < Steffanx> englishman: bop ( man in the middle reply) 2016-10-15T21:49:51 < Steffanx> i just get the idea you canadians a bit over protective. 2016-10-15T21:50:42 < LeelooMinai> My neigbour was protective too, but his dog was made into a pankake by a car anyways - 5 meters from his front door:p 2016-10-15T21:51:13 < Steffanx> Yes that happens. 2016-10-15T21:51:22 < LeelooMinai> Not indoors... 2016-10-15T21:51:23 < BrainDamage> the neighbours cat routinely screw or fight straight below my window 2016-10-15T21:51:29 < BrainDamage> it gets annoying at times 2016-10-15T21:51:51 < Steffanx> yeah those fights are nice 2016-10-15T21:54:07 < Steffanx> in canada they are forced to have that with their "brothers and sisters" in a brothel. 2016-10-15T21:54:29 < Steffanx> and their pimp wont let them out, unless they are chained. 2016-10-15T22:02:18 < LeelooMinai> That was 200km/h? 2016-10-15T22:03:11 < LeelooMinai> If it was, looks like there's a chance the people inside could survice it maybe (?) 2016-10-15T22:03:18 < LeelooMinai> survive* 2016-10-15T22:03:46 < LeelooMinai> Thought the barel roll was probably brutal... 2016-10-15T22:20:22 < sync> neg, I don't drive a renault englishman 2016-10-15T22:20:31 < Steffanx> Vw? Audi? 2016-10-15T22:20:35 < sync> LeelooMinai: the driver had a broken wrist 2016-10-15T22:20:35 < ReadErr> englishman: yes hello 2016-10-15T22:20:44 < sync> passenger had no injuries 2016-10-15T22:20:54 < sync> Steffanx: mitsu and VW 2016-10-15T22:20:59 < ReadErr> I dunno 2016-10-15T22:21:20 < ReadErr> I think vap0r pasted it maybe 2016-10-15T22:21:43 < Tectu> vape 2016-10-15T22:22:32 < ReadErr> Vapist 2016-10-15T22:24:50 < Steffanx> 235? 2016-10-15T22:25:07 < Tectu> 420 2016-10-15T22:25:19 < Steffanx> Arent you VapErr, ReadErr? 2016-10-15T22:27:34 < Tectu> oh boy 2016-10-15T22:27:36 < Tectu> how flat was that one 2016-10-15T22:28:36 < Tectu> good, thanks 2016-10-15T22:28:43 < Tectu> how is Mr. Queensland? 2016-10-15T22:29:23 < Tectu> lol you 2016-10-15T22:29:33 < Steffanx> You rather want this boy on it? 2016-10-15T22:29:35 < Tectu> what happened to Mr. niceguy? 2016-10-15T22:29:44 < Tectu> trumpmoney 2016-10-15T22:29:51 < Steffanx> And ms. Middleton 2016-10-15T22:29:57 < Steffanx> Or what was her name? 2016-10-15T22:31:06 < Tectu> but what would you put on your money then? 2016-10-15T22:31:25 < Steffanx> Cats. 2016-10-15T22:31:31 < Tectu> boobies 2016-10-15T22:32:04 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T22:32:26 < Steffanx> I hear you are in need of stroopwafels englishman 2016-10-15T22:32:37 < Tectu> me too 2016-10-15T22:32:42 < Tectu> running low 2016-10-15T22:33:00 < Tectu> nope 2016-10-15T22:33:06 < Steffanx> Not when you are tectu 2016-10-15T22:33:21 < Steffanx> He had 13*8 iirc. 2016-10-15T22:33:44 < Tectu> I think it was 14*8 2016-10-15T22:33:49 < Steffanx> Ok 14. 2016-10-15T22:34:05 < Steffanx> Still like 4 of them daily. 2016-10-15T22:34:15 < Steffanx> Even i dont do that. 2016-10-15T22:34:25 < Tectu> I didn't touch them for an entire weak due to excessive sickness 2016-10-15T22:35:58 < Tectu> better assemble another shipment 2016-10-15T22:37:01 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, trying to change MSI after stop from 4MHz -> 48, but get random interrupts. Wonder if I need to do something magical when switching it (?) 2016-10-15T22:37:34 < LeelooMinai> I just set MSIRGSEL bit to 1, as in the docs. 2016-10-15T22:38:08 < LeelooMinai> "Set by software to select the MSI clock range with MSIRANGE[3:0]. Write 0 has no effect. After a standby or a reset MSIRGSEL is at 0 and the MSI range value is provided by MSISRANGE in CSR register" 2016-10-15T22:38:53 < LeelooMinai> So, I have MSIRANGE loaded with 48MHz value, then set MSIRGSEL to 1. 2016-10-15T22:39:38 < LeelooMinai> But something explodes - I get weird interrupts and then when I define handler for them, I get another, etc. - bizzare:) 2016-10-15T22:41:33 * LeelooMinai sighs and prepares for long debug session today 2016-10-15T22:42:17 < Steffanx> Which uc is this? 2016-10-15T22:42:34 < Steffanx> Its not some power domain/selection thing? 2016-10-15T22:42:40 < LeelooMinai> stm32l432KC 2016-10-15T22:42:44 < Steffanx> Voltage* 2016-10-15T22:45:20 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T22:45:52 < Steffanx> Ha rob235 2016-10-15T22:46:08 < Rob235> was that a hi or a haha 2016-10-15T22:46:24 < Rob235> not sure if I'm being greeted or insulted :P 2016-10-15T22:46:37 < Steffanx> Hi. 2016-10-15T22:46:44 < Rob235> heh, hows it going 2016-10-15T22:46:53 < Steffanx> Excellent 2016-10-15T22:46:58 < Rob235> good to hear 2016-10-15T22:47:01 < Rob235> any reason? 2016-10-15T22:47:22 < Steffanx> Nop. 2016-10-15T22:47:24 < LeelooMinai> Ha in pigmy language means "Die you bugger, a horrible death in fire, day after day, for eternity" 2016-10-15T22:47:25 < Steffanx> There? 2016-10-15T22:47:48 < Rob235> really shitty actually 2016-10-15T22:47:54 < Steffanx> Ok.. 2016-10-15T22:48:21 < Rob235> gf stuff, nothing to get into on irc 2016-10-15T22:48:45 < Steffanx> Not in ##stm32, no 2016-10-15T22:49:11 < LeelooMinai> Well, there's a guy on ##fpga that appears sometimes and he talks about his gf issues for hours. 2016-10-15T22:49:28 < Steffanx> Lolz 2016-10-15T22:49:29 < Rob235> I'm not doing that, I'm not that cruel to other people :P 2016-10-15T22:49:57 < LeelooMinai> Right, when he does that everyone panics and thinks "no, not this guy again:(" 2016-10-15T22:50:42 < Steffanx> At least semi-anything is accepted here 2016-10-15T22:50:48 < Rob235> Thinking about going for a drive to clear my head 2016-10-15T22:51:03 < Steffanx> Drive. On your bicycle. 2016-10-15T22:51:09 < Rob235> dont have one 2016-10-15T22:51:12 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.158.249] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-15T22:51:22 < Steffanx> No driving a car when mentally unstable :P 2016-10-15T22:51:41 < Steffanx> Better walk then 2016-10-15T22:51:43 < Rob235> hah nah I'm fine there 2016-10-15T22:52:16 < LeelooMinai> "I leave a trail of dead people behind me, but I am fine, thx" 2016-10-15T22:52:21 < Rob235> :) 2016-10-15T22:52:37 < Rob235> how can you be sad driving along the ocean 2016-10-15T22:53:22 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-15T22:53:48 < Steffanx> Better walk over the beach with you bare feet in the water 2016-10-15T22:54:07 < Rob235> https://goo.gl/maps/koaCWEXeuUA2 2016-10-15T22:54:11 < Rob235> basically where I live 2016-10-15T22:55:32 < sync> Steffanx: doing 300kmh on the bahn also clears the mind 2016-10-15T22:55:50 < Rob235> they are more south 2016-10-15T22:56:22 < Rob235> and if you actually believe thats how jersey shore people are then you need a reality check cause those are bennys 2016-10-15T22:56:22 < Steffanx> Nice nice. 2016-10-15T22:56:38 < Steffanx> 180km/h sync? 2016-10-15T22:56:50 * LeelooMinai google map drives around Rob235's place then stops and thinks "wth am I driving around..." 2016-10-15T22:56:57 < Steffanx> But all those baustehles make you depressed 2016-10-15T22:57:24 < sync> Steffanx: 300. 2016-10-15T22:57:40 < Steffanx> Oh i failes to see the h. 2016-10-15T22:58:10 < Steffanx> Also i dont know how to write "baustehle" 2016-10-15T22:58:21 < Steffanx> Failed* 2016-10-15T22:58:22 < sync> baustelle? 2016-10-15T22:58:23 < Rob235> what does that mean 2016-10-15T22:58:26 < Steffanx> I guess. 2016-10-15T22:58:29 < sync> construction sites 2016-10-15T22:58:39 < sync> well, all of them are gone in the relevant places here 2016-10-15T22:58:50 < sync> derestricted bahn all around 2016-10-15T22:59:20 < sync> I was wondering what you meant as I read that as baustähle 2016-10-15T22:59:25 < sync> which would be construction steels 2016-10-15T22:59:48 < Steffanx> Hah. 2016-10-15T23:01:35 < Rob235> so i want to switch from this shunt resistor current sensor to a true hall current sensor... 2016-10-15T23:02:21 < Rob235> maybe thats my problem, I can't stop thinking about this stupid drone 2016-10-15T23:02:33 < sync> just get an ardupilot 2016-10-15T23:02:56 < Rob235> I'm not giving up on a year of work when things are going fairly well 2016-10-15T23:03:06 * Rob235 has a bad memory 2016-10-15T23:03:18 < sync> maybe less 420blazing would help 2016-10-15T23:04:20 < Rob235> I have only taken like 3 hits in the past 4 days, compared to like 10 hits a day. Trying to change things up but tbh I don't think thats it, my memory has always sucked 2016-10-15T23:04:53 < Steffanx> Lol. You should really ignore this rob235 2016-10-15T23:05:03 < Steffanx> Now you only feed the trolls 2016-10-15T23:05:12 < Rob235> ehh whatever, fuck the trolls 2016-10-15T23:06:08 < Rob235> whats the point in talking about anything non stm related if its all bullshit 2016-10-15T23:07:11 < Rob235> then again maybe that outlook makes me an outcast and no one would want to listen anyway :P 2016-10-15T23:07:18 < Rob235> gtg 2016-10-15T23:07:21 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-15T23:08:16 < Steffanx> Arent we all. 2016-10-15T23:08:21 < Steffanx> But one. 2016-10-15T23:09:08 < Steffanx> Drugs obsession, cat obsession, autism obsession.. We all have our issues :P 2016-10-15T23:09:31 < Steffanx> Yes that. 2016-10-15T23:16:55 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T23:17:24 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-15T23:17:32 < Rob235> maybe not gtg yet 2016-10-15T23:20:21 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T23:20:37 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, this is more complicated than I thought. Looked at Chibios code and he is also changing FLASH latency bits depending on the clock speed for example. 2016-10-15T23:22:05 < via> is there a way to temporarily block/queue a dma request from a timer to the dma unit? so that if in the brief period of time a dma event is generated, it won't actually trigger a transfer until unblocked? 2016-10-15T23:22:20 < via> but without actually missing the trigger assuming its fast enough and there's no overflow 2016-10-15T23:23:18 < Ecco> LeelooMinai: What are you trying to do? 2016-10-15T23:23:29 < LeelooMinai> I am trying to win:p 2016-10-15T23:23:39 < Ecco> Win what? 2016-10-15T23:24:27 < LeelooMinai> Ecco: Just writing bare-metal + FreeRTOS code - going from initial MSI 4MHz -> 48MHz in particular. 2016-10-15T23:25:46 < LeelooMinai> Was poking in the RCC registers, but seems I have to take care of FLASH ones too. 2016-10-15T23:26:11 < LeelooMinai> And probably PWR ones. 2016-10-15T23:26:51 < Ecco> Yeah, there are several things you need to do to change the CPU freq 2016-10-15T23:27:10 < ReadErr> R2COM: 2016-10-15T23:27:18 < ReadErr> http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-challenges-hillary-clinton-take-drug-test-final-debate-n666896 2016-10-15T23:27:28 < ReadErr> ur boy is retarded 2016-10-15T23:27:50 < LeelooMinai> lol 2016-10-15T23:27:51 < Rob235> oh and englishman, I already had multiple tabs open from allegro when you said you already mentioned it (my 30-50 tabs stay open for days until I finally go through them). Trying to figure out the difference between the models... LR vs CB and isolation voltage with the two new models 2016-10-15T23:28:34 < LeelooMinai> I bet this is some stunt to take peoples attention of his sexual-deviant behaviour topics. 2016-10-15T23:28:43 < Rob235> just haven't gotten around to looking up what those mean :) 2016-10-15T23:28:51 < Ecco> LeelooMinai: In the following order : Set latency in ACR regiter, configure RCC PLL, wait for PLLRDY, configure PLL output as SYSCLK in RCC_CFGR, wait for RCC_CFGR SWS to indicate PLL 2016-10-15T23:29:31 < LeelooMinai> Ecco: I have a feeling that I am missing some doc that lists the order of steps required (?) 2016-10-15T23:30:14 < LeelooMinai> Maybe some app note or something 2016-10-15T23:30:15 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-15T23:31:40 < Rob235> and I'm trying to decide which book to read first... 2016-10-15T23:31:57 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: I and others have, even my dad 2016-10-15T23:32:02 < ReadErr> have suspected him being on drugs 2016-10-15T23:32:05 < ReadErr> with all the sniffles 2016-10-15T23:32:38 < LeelooMinai> Rob235: I would start with that primer one, that goes from A to Z? :) 2016-10-15T23:33:56 < Rob235> both are primers I believe: the art of electronics vs practical electronics for inventors, both highly rated 2016-10-15T23:36:50 < aandrew> AoE is trash 2016-10-15T23:37:01 < aandrew> if you're an academic learner it's probably awesome 2016-10-15T23:37:01 * LeelooMinai scans application notes for L4 2016-10-15T23:37:14 < LeelooMinai> " How to implement a vocoder solution using STM32 microcontrollers" ... lol, that's a bit, particular. 2016-10-15T23:37:15 < aandrew> AoE is no primer, it's a reference 2016-10-15T23:37:39 < Rob235> I was leading towards the other already 2016-10-15T23:37:47 < aandrew> I *love* GSIE and pretty much anything by Lancaster or Grossblatt 2016-10-15T23:39:26 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-15T23:39:34 < LeelooMinai> Ecco: Thx, I stored those steps for reference. Where did you find that this is what''s must be done? 2016-10-15T23:39:50 < Steffanx> GSIE aandrew? 2016-10-15T23:40:02 < Rob235> Steffanx: I've been trying to figure that out too on google 2016-10-15T23:40:11 < aandrew> Getting Started in Electronics by Mims 2016-10-15T23:42:35 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, seems that FLASH wait cycles must be set depending not only on the speed, but also voltage range of the CPU. 2016-10-15T23:42:38 < Rob235> thanks i'll check it out 2016-10-15T23:43:11 < Rob235> amazon recommends one book I mentioned and this one: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1680450263/ref=pd_bxgy_14_2?ie=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1680450263&pd_rd_r=SDS1SB20BR63WE206YD0&pd_rd_w=rD8uM&pd_rd_wg=e74Bt&psc=1&refRID=SDS1SB20BR63WE206YD0 2016-10-15T23:43:22 < Rob235> based on GSIE 2016-10-15T23:43:56 < Rob235> I guess I should stop trying to find 10 books that i'm not going to read 2016-10-15T23:44:03 < LeelooMinai> For this title I would make the cover a guy running from a house being on fire - would be much more appropriate. 2016-10-15T23:45:24 < Rob235> and bring it down to two 2016-10-15T23:50:49 < via> or is there a way to lock the ahb bus to have exclusive access from the cpu for a few instructions? 2016-10-15T23:52:55 < LeelooMinai> lol, mu small nephew came to get an HDMI cable and he wanted to know how long it is. I sayd 5 eet or so, and he said "I don't know what that is, in school we only learn meters" 2016-10-15T23:53:30 < LeelooMinai> Maybe there's hope for the future then, because as of now everyone uses imperial here. 2016-10-15T23:54:31 < Steffanx> lolz 2016-10-15T23:55:01 < Steffanx> what are you trying to do via? 2016-10-15T23:56:08 < via> i'm trying to update a buffer that is having dma read from it and written to a peripheral, but i would like to be able to know if i failed to update the buffer before dma passed it 2016-10-15T23:56:21 < via> checking ndtr is close but its a race 2016-10-15T23:56:43 < via> so being able to stop dma or lock the bus for an instant, make the update, check ndtr, would solve that 2016-10-15T23:57:28 < via> its fine if i don't update the buffer before dma passes over the entry that i'm updating, i just want to know if that happened 2016-10-15T23:58:21 < via> how do you mean? 2016-10-15T23:58:59 < via> thats fine too, this check is fast enough, but its important to not miss a dma trigger 2016-10-15T23:59:15 < via> oh, yeah i can't have incorrect data in the buffer unfortunately 2016-10-15T23:59:38 < via> its writing to gpio and the sequence of things that appears on gpio is important --- Day changed Sun Oct 16 2016 2016-10-16T00:00:12 < via> but yeah, is there a way to pause the whole setup in such a way that if a trigger occured it'll pick right back up after being unpaused? 2016-10-16T00:00:23 < via> i am driving dma with a timer 2016-10-16T00:00:56 < via> thats racey 2016-10-16T00:01:26 < via> i'm dma'ing every 40 clocks, this check could be fast enough to not overflow 2016-10-16T00:02:21 < via> my code will think it set a gpio pin but it didn't 2016-10-16T00:02:29 < via> or the opposite 2016-10-16T00:02:46 < via> having a few clocks of jitter is ok 2016-10-16T00:02:58 < via> having the outputs wrong is not 2016-10-16T00:03:54 < via> missing a frame is okay as long as i can detect it 2016-10-16T00:03:58 < via> and handle it after the fact 2016-10-16T00:04:42 < via> if you update the frame in memory then check ndtr, its possible it read the frame right before or after the update, and the fifo (even in direct mode) is internal, thats why its racey 2016-10-16T00:05:42 < via> well, back to is that possible in such a way as to queue a trigger that happened while it was paused? 2016-10-16T00:05:49 < via> or will a trigger be lost 2016-10-16T00:06:32 < via> i wish it acted like interrupt flags and enables 2016-10-16T00:08:14 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-16T00:12:54 < via> i was considering stopping the timer, but yeah that'd suck 2016-10-16T00:12:58 < via> this is the writing process 2016-10-16T00:15:24 < via> from dma? i could just unset UDE or whatever, but i think that loses the trigger 2016-10-16T00:16:25 < via> but the amount of time it would take to discover if i missed an event then update all my timekeeping i think would take too long 2016-10-16T00:16:31 < kakimir> sup pumps 2016-10-16T00:17:10 < via> i'm just gonna check if the slot i updated is between a before/after window and if so force the gpio 2016-10-16T00:17:20 < via> but i know thats gonna have a bug or be wrong timing long term 2016-10-16T00:17:25 < via> yeah, that sucks, oh well 2016-10-16T00:17:27 < via> thanks 2016-10-16T00:18:10 < via> yeah, thats effectively what this is doing 2016-10-16T00:18:43 < via> i was doing it with interrupts but things took too long, this allows tight output sequencing at awesome precision 2016-10-16T00:18:59 < via> every 250 nS on the dot, give or take half a dozen cycles 2016-10-16T00:19:05 < via> nope, need to be calculating what i'm outputting 2016-10-16T00:19:43 < via> its a lot of calculating 2016-10-16T00:20:04 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-16T00:20:34 < via> i don't need to do al lthe calculating each 250 n 2016-10-16T00:20:36 < via> S 2016-10-16T00:21:17 < via> unfortunately writing to apb takes many cycles by itself 2016-10-16T00:21:23 < via> lots of them 2016-10-16T00:21:40 < via> definitely not, most of it is calculated hundreds of uS in advance 2016-10-16T00:23:22 < via> its just the nature of the problem 2016-10-16T00:23:44 < via> i could do something like that but nowhere near the precision i'm targetting 2016-10-16T00:23:58 < via> i used to do it like that and at best got +/- a few uS 2016-10-16T00:24:13 < via> either way, i'll just proceed with the forcing of the gpio's after a check 2016-10-16T00:25:28 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-16T00:34:11 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T00:36:09 < ReadErr> R2COM: what's up with your boys sinuses 2016-10-16T00:36:13 < ReadErr> Snifffffff 2016-10-16T00:37:44 < ReadErr> He's a dumbass 2016-10-16T00:37:56 < ReadErr> So are his followers 2016-10-16T00:38:44 < Steffanx> He's a vapErr.. nuff said :P 2016-10-16T00:38:46 < ReadErr> You complain about taxes now 2016-10-16T00:39:03 < ReadErr> Have you looked at his plan? 2016-10-16T00:39:20 < ReadErr> Hint: you will pay even more 2016-10-16T00:39:44 < ReadErr> While big business pockets 2016-10-16T00:40:06 < ReadErr> Nope theres more to it 2016-10-16T00:40:34 < ReadErr> Read the fact check for the last debate 2016-10-16T00:41:57 < ReadErr> Your taxes are going up 2016-10-16T00:41:58 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T00:42:04 < ReadErr> That's the fact 2016-10-16T00:42:16 < ReadErr> I'm on a phone Google it bitch 2016-10-16T00:44:15 < ReadErr> Lol we are probably in the same bracket fuck boy 2016-10-16T00:45:03 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@bas2-toronto26-2925094753.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2016-10-16T00:45:54 < ReadErr> Og smart and educated voters? 2016-10-16T00:46:01 < ReadErr> Of 2016-10-16T00:46:20 -!- PaulFertser [paul@2001:470:26:54b:260:98ff:feef:cb79] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-16T00:46:48 < Steffanx> Im glad im not a yankee. So i dont have to make a choice between those two yankees. 2016-10-16T00:47:51 < Steffanx> Jarl? 2016-10-16T00:48:38 < Steffanx> Yeah, we have a prime minister, but .. this guy is like nothing compared to a president. 2016-10-16T00:49:08 < Steffanx> could be R2COM.. first time ive seen that thing. 2016-10-16T00:49:25 < Steffanx> also french. Blegh. 2016-10-16T00:50:00 < ReadErr> R2COM: what category are you in? The illiterate racist hick one? 2016-10-16T00:51:03 < Steffanx> I'll probably try to forget, because the text is not even in dutch, R2COM 2016-10-16T00:51:53 < ReadErr> R2COM: uh OK 2016-10-16T00:52:07 < ReadErr> Americans kill Americans daily 2016-10-16T00:52:20 < ReadErr> Poor argument 2016-10-16T00:53:58 < ReadErr> What frequency does this occur? 2016-10-16T00:54:16 < ReadErr> Compared to American vs American 2016-10-16T00:54:26 < ReadErr> Probably super rare 2016-10-16T00:57:01 < ReadErr> Aren't you an immigrant? 2016-10-16T00:57:58 < Steffanx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdzSFNa4XE Together they can do amazing things. 2016-10-16T00:58:31 < ReadErr> And all immigrants can't do that? 2016-10-16T00:58:45 < ReadErr> Retard racist logic 2016-10-16T01:02:55 < Steffanx> You better find yourself some real entertainment instead of trump and hillary. 2016-10-16T01:05:31 < Steffanx> :P 2016-10-16T01:15:48 < ReadErr> R2COM: once trump makes Mexico build this magical wall how will they get home??? 2016-10-16T01:19:16 < LeelooMinai> Oki, showed my nephew how to open xbox and clean it inside - he is learning things from his super-auntie:p 2016-10-16T01:19:22 < Steffanx> Maybe that will bring some hot american latina to this world that will become USA's first female president. 2016-10-16T01:20:20 < Steffanx> LeelooMinai, Now he can fix the red right of death on his own? 2016-10-16T01:22:22 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: No, but he is small. Mpw he knows more thasn 99% of xbox players though, so a good start:) 2016-10-16T01:22:52 < LeelooMinai> I need to find something cool for him for christmas - maybe some electronic blocks or something. 2016-10-16T01:23:25 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.1.120] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-16T01:35:12 -!- theAdib [~theadib@dslb-088-074-171-032.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-16T01:35:26 < Rob235> erector set 2016-10-16T02:18:44 < Laurenceb_> lul Trump talk 2016-10-16T02:26:23 < Laurenceb_> holy shit putin 2017 calendar 2016-10-16T02:26:33 < Laurenceb_> status: preordering 2016-10-16T02:34:51 < Laurenceb_> need Assad and Trump calendars to complete the collection 2016-10-16T02:40:51 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-16T02:44:16 < zyp> dongs, there's some in the datasheet, it's pretty easy 2016-10-16T02:44:43 < zyp> IIRC my code just sends two commands 2016-10-16T02:45:04 < zyp> one to select protocol and one to read card id (which will fail if card not present) 2016-10-16T02:46:31 < zyp> but I bet you're using a different card type, I've only done ISO15693 so far and that's pretty uncommon 2016-10-16T02:47:10 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-16T02:54:56 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T03:43:27 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T03:53:16 < LeelooMinai> Man, so I sit here programming and my newphew plays games in the other room and suddenly I hear a game with Trump voice - just cannot get rid of this guy. 2016-10-16T03:54:39 < LeelooMinai> Less then a month left - maybe I will survive. Have to keep strong till then I guess. 2016-10-16T03:54:46 * LeelooMinai puts ear mufflers on 2016-10-16T04:14:50 < Thorn> is MC1413B more pro than ULN2003? 2016-10-16T04:17:40 < Thorn> http://bitva.stb.ua/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2014/10/putin.jpg 2016-10-16T04:19:59 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/rMtbbdo.png 2016-10-16T04:26:49 < aandrew> lol 2016-10-16T04:28:45 < aandrew> how old is your nephew? 2016-10-16T04:28:59 < LeelooMinai> Maybe 11yo 2016-10-16T04:33:20 < LeelooMinai> I like this vide, is pretty cool:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Ao4t_fe0I 2016-10-16T04:33:25 < LeelooMinai> video* 2016-10-16T04:46:50 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T04:50:31 -!- KreAture is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2016-10-16T04:51:14 < Thorn> downloading http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5165129 2016-10-16T05:08:43 < Thorn> http://i.imgur.com/LUVjbXX.png 2016-10-16T05:10:16 < aandrew> heh 2016-10-16T05:10:38 < LeelooMinai> Trumpangutan 2016-10-16T05:17:12 < aandrew> wtf where is my pcb grid 2016-10-16T05:17:23 < aandrew> it's not set to black, I'm not zoomed out too far 2016-10-16T05:17:29 < LeelooMinai> Your pcb shrunk to 1 μ 2016-10-16T05:21:29 < aandrew> found it 2016-10-16T05:21:40 < aandrew> in the layer screen, the colours for the grid were unchecked 2016-10-16T05:32:42 < jadew> R2COM, you don't know what people are into 2016-10-16T05:40:51 < LeelooMinai> Just because she was old, does not mean she was not into orangutans 2016-10-16T05:41:30 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You now sit in the Trump's head? :p 2016-10-16T05:41:57 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-16T05:44:38 < Thorn> the one that cube downloads for you 2016-10-16T05:44:50 < Thorn> the examples are there in a folder 2016-10-16T05:44:56 < LeelooMinai> Never saw CubaMX? 2016-10-16T05:44:59 < LeelooMinai> Cube* 2016-10-16T05:47:15 < Thorn> help->updater settings->select directory, then help->install new libraries 2016-10-16T05:48:02 < Thorn> examples are part of firmware packages that are 2016-10-16T05:50:08 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-16T05:56:33 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T06:01:56 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0aad5f.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-16T06:14:16 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0aea5c.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T06:25:53 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T06:31:47 -!- alan5_ [~quassel@167.88.36.226] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2016-10-16T06:33:26 -!- alan5 [~quassel@167.88.36.226] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T06:53:37 -!- Chris_M [~Chris_M@ppp118-209-182-46.lns20.mel8.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.9.2 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 2016-10-16T06:55:10 < LeelooMinai> I stole that cat from him already: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/23923105772 2016-10-16T06:58:30 < LeelooMinai> Did you enable pins? 2016-10-16T07:00:05 < Jak_o_Shadows> Is this the F429 discovery board? 2016-10-16T07:02:33 < dongs> zyp: ah. 2016-10-16T07:02:45 < dongs> zyp: so if I place some card/tag on it and do one command it'll talk to it? 2016-10-16T07:03:06 < dongs> i got some random building keys that trigger nfc scanner on my phone by making a noise, i could probly read those 2016-10-16T07:08:36 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, great, now the thing exits stop when running debugger, but does not when I am not debugging:) 2016-10-16T07:12:58 < LeelooMinai> I guess that's how they make it inferior to the real thing, so you may want to move to it, when you win lotto. 2016-10-16T07:13:34 < LeelooMinai> If it was as efficient to use as normal Altium, they would be harming their sales. 2016-10-16T07:13:54 < LeelooMinai> Maybe... I don't know. It does not have nice shortcuts, right? 2016-10-16T07:14:33 < LeelooMinai> So more mousing around probably. 2016-10-16T07:14:56 < LeelooMinai> However you could automate it with some work. 2016-10-16T07:15:41 * LeelooMinai ponders how to debug without debugger 2016-10-16T07:16:30 < LeelooMinai> I think I may need to toggle some pin and try to pin-point this gradually:/ 2016-10-16T07:17:11 < emeb_mac> pin toggling helps 2016-10-16T07:17:27 < emeb_mac> I also turn on a USART and printf debug msgs 2016-10-16T07:17:29 < LeelooMinai> Right, but it will be a long session probably 2016-10-16T07:18:13 < LeelooMinai> O, I remember this one. 2016-10-16T07:18:30 < LeelooMinai> Forgot the solution though:p 2016-10-16T07:18:35 < emeb_mac> I've seen that b4 but don't remember what it means 2016-10-16T07:19:21 < LeelooMinai> It's a pretty confusing message... 2016-10-16T07:20:05 < emeb_mac> https://sourceforge.net/p/gnuarmeclipse/support-requests/42/ 2016-10-16T07:20:36 < emeb_mac> R2COM knows how to google the error msg 2016-10-16T07:20:53 < emeb_mac> an important skill in the internet-aware era 2016-10-16T07:21:30 < LeelooMinai> Or, maybe he joined Trump Suporters Collaborate Google Search Help Network 2016-10-16T07:23:33 < emeb_mac> lol 2016-10-16T07:24:07 < emeb_mac> what Eclipse does when starting up openocd is a big mystery 2016-10-16T07:24:31 < emeb_mac> it's a wonder it fucking works at all 2016-10-16T07:24:58 < LeelooMinai> That's why it's worth buying J-Link EDU imo 2016-10-16T07:25:17 < LeelooMinai> To get rid of openocd:) 2016-10-16T07:25:24 < emeb_mac> R2COM: you need both openocd and gdb 2016-10-16T07:25:36 < dongs> circuitmaker and the other thing based from it is by far the dumbest thing altium done 2016-10-16T07:25:45 < emeb_mac> openocd is the transport layer to the SWD interface 2016-10-16T07:25:58 < dongs> got a nice blog yesterday 2016-10-16T07:26:19 < Jak_o_Shadows> Just use the command line 2016-10-16T07:26:22 < Jak_o_Shadows> For your sanity. 2016-10-16T07:26:24 < Jak_o_Shadows> Even on windows 2016-10-16T07:26:28 < dongs> this company made 1k boards with arduino on it. some percentage of them fails to flash, instantly fails verification. 2016-10-16T07:26:47 < dongs> nobody there has any idea 2016-10-16T07:27:04 < dongs> they sent me one about a month ago, but as the shit failed to falsh I shelved it cuz i figured theyt just sent me trash 2016-10-16T07:27:21 < dongs> yesterday i went to figure out what hte fuck is up so i can actually get paid by these cunts 2016-10-16T07:27:32 < dongs> there's a'ERASE'pin on the mcu that needs to be low at boot 2016-10-16T07:27:48 < dongs> theycopied arduino schematic with a pfet that the programmer toggles to erase 2016-10-16T07:28:15 < dongs> but arduino schematic (no surprise) didnt have pulldown on pfet drain to pin 2016-10-16T07:28:19 < emeb_mac> lol 2016-10-16T07:28:21 < dongs> so its happily floating somewehre around 1.8V 2016-10-16T07:28:37 < dongs> which is sometimes interpreted as high level on power reset 2016-10-16T07:29:02 < dongs> they already sold and installed a bunch of these 2016-10-16T07:29:31 < dongs> so they gotta go and solder up a through-hole resistor to pull the shit d own on existing stuff before it starts magicalyl erasing itself 2016-10-16T07:29:53 < emeb_mac> actual engineering is haaard 2016-10-16T07:30:10 < emeb_mac> we just want to copypasta the OSH designs 2016-10-16T07:31:17 < dongs> i thought arduino.cc only hired pro EEs 2016-10-16T07:31:23 < dongs> so they wouldnt miss such trivial mistake 2016-10-16T07:33:00 < emeb_mac> wonder how arduino avoided issues with that? 2016-10-16T07:33:48 < dongs> they used FDN340P pfet, lemme see what tehse clowns used 2016-10-16T07:33:57 < dongs> but still when gate is up on pfet, drain should be floating, yeah? 2016-10-16T07:34:11 < dongs> unless of course the published tarduino schematic is actually different from retail 2016-10-16T07:34:33 < dongs> BSS84PH6327\ 2016-10-16T07:36:56 < LeelooMinai> Those are close to jelly-bean ones and low current, so no wonder 2016-10-16T07:37:23 < aandrew> yeah BSS84 and BSS138 are my go-to SOT23 fets 2016-10-16T07:37:46 < aandrew> I also particularly like the NTJD4158 as a dual P/N for voltage translation 2016-10-16T07:38:59 < dongs> englishman: sure, but regardless of their spec, drain should have been pulldown 2016-10-16T07:39:36 < dongs> even the datasheet says "pull down resistor" next to the pin description 2016-10-16T07:39:47 < LeelooMinai> Or they can put it on the gate 2016-10-16T07:39:55 < dongs> hmm wait, it HAS a 100k integrated pulldown 2016-10-16T07:40:09 < LeelooMinai> I think it makes more sense even - you never want flapping gate 2016-10-16T07:40:12 < dongs> so the trashfet is actually overpowering that wiht wahtever leaking garbage 2016-10-16T07:41:10 < LeelooMinai> Or not use that fet if it's not, well used... I don't know what's going on there:) 2016-10-16T07:42:06 < dongs> lolz. 2016-10-16T07:42:14 < dongs> hey, who doens't want a secure panic erase button 2016-10-16T07:42:20 < dongs> to protect your NDA arduino code 2016-10-16T07:42:48 < LeelooMinai> Sketch not code - code is for weird people\ 2016-10-16T07:44:52 < aandrew> oh that reminds me 2016-10-16T07:44:57 < aandrew> gotta write some arduino test code 2016-10-16T07:46:38 < emeb_mac> R2COM: gdb sits on top of openocd. 2016-10-16T07:46:46 < emeb_mac> you always need gdb 2016-10-16T07:48:30 < emeb_mac> depending on what SWD interface you use you may not need openocd 2016-10-16T07:49:02 < emeb_mac> "regular SWD" ??? 2016-10-16T07:49:12 < emeb_mac> what hardware interface? J-Link? 2016-10-16T07:49:16 < emeb_mac> ST-Link? 2016-10-16T07:49:23 < emeb_mac> right 2016-10-16T07:49:34 < emeb_mac> so for that to talk to gdb you need openocd in the middle 2016-10-16T07:49:48 < emeb_mac> it translates gdb's API to the ST-Link API 2016-10-16T07:49:52 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T07:52:53 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-16T07:52:59 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-16T07:53:01 < Jak_o_Shadows> Well, you don't always need gdb. You can flash from openocd through the telnet interface 2016-10-16T07:53:04 < Jak_o_Shadows> dunno why you'd do taht though 2016-10-16T07:56:38 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-16T07:57:12 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T07:57:14 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Just a sec - I will look at my old AC6 project 2016-10-16T07:58:11 < LeelooMinai> Right, I have done some voodoo there: http://i.imgur.com/vjDJxHT.png 2016-10-16T07:58:38 < LeelooMinai> It's for jlink, but you can just skip the interface/hlink.cfg and replace it with stlink2 or something similar 2016-10-16T07:59:28 < LeelooMinai> I guess the trick was to use -s and point to that scary eclipse directory where the plugin holds its oopenocd stuff 2016-10-16T08:00:33 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/7YXwdmS.png 2016-10-16T08:02:07 < LeelooMinai> I have -s pointing to scripts, not scripts/interface 2016-10-16T08:02:29 < LeelooMinai> -s C:\Ac6\SystemWorkbench\plugins\fr.ac6.mcu.debug_1.10.0.201607251855\resources\openocd\scripts -f interface/jlink.cfg -c "transport select swd" -c "reset_config srst_only connect_assert_srst" -f target/stm32l4x.cfg 2016-10-16T08:03:00 < LeelooMinai> since interface and target are relative to it 2016-10-16T08:04:28 < LeelooMinai> It's "GDB OpenOCD Debugging" for me - maybe you have some weird launcher there 2016-10-16T08:06:04 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, this seems to be AC6 provided one. 2016-10-16T08:07:27 < LeelooMinai> Let me see another Eclipse 2016-10-16T08:11:32 < LeelooMinai> I looked at my AC6 Launcher - nothing special there, so I don't know why it does not work for you. 2016-10-16T08:11:51 < LeelooMinai> But I don't really use it - I use non-AC6 setup/ 2016-10-16T08:12:32 < LeelooMinai> You may have to use PICs now. 2016-10-16T08:13:27 < LeelooMinai> Also, I would try resetting stuff, disconnect and connect the board, etc. 2016-10-16T08:20:56 < LeelooMinai> But stms are French 2016-10-16T09:05:11 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T09:09:02 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-16T09:09:09 < dongs> R2COM: i donno, i use jlink cuz it works 2016-10-16T09:09:29 < dongs> it has some features I use for production flashing also 2016-10-16T09:10:17 < dongs> jflash app 2016-10-16T09:10:54 < dongs> and it s really fast etc. 2016-10-16T09:58:23 -!- PaulFertser [paul@2001:470:26:54b:260:98ff:feef:cb79] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T10:06:15 < LeelooMinai> "Andrew Alan Escher Auernheimer, also known by his pseudonym weev, is an American black hat hacker, white supremacist, and Internet troll." <- wikipedia, lol... 2016-10-16T10:06:40 < dongs> or summed up in a single 5 letter word, "moron" 2016-10-16T10:06:59 < stvn> lol 2016-10-16T10:17:10 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.206] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T10:20:46 < dongs> R2COM: how do I delete a bunch of useless mechanical layers in allegro layout 2016-10-16T10:20:57 < dongs> import is crashing altidumb 2016-10-16T10:21:01 < dongs> too many useless layers 2016-10-16T10:24:46 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-16T10:30:53 < dongs> nvm downrev'd to 16.3 and it worked 2016-10-16T10:47:17 < ReadErr> requesting DNA evidence weev isn't hebrew 2016-10-16T10:53:27 < ReadErr> tbh im surprised none of his new white supremest friends have made him do that 2016-10-16T10:56:43 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T11:09:02 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-16T11:11:38 < dongs> readstoner, did you know altidumb now has at least some math in input dialogs 2016-10-16T11:13:41 < ReadErr> oh? 2016-10-16T11:13:44 < ReadErr> like the /2 shit? 2016-10-16T11:13:45 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-16T11:13:46 < dongs> yes 2016-10-16T11:13:49 < ReadErr> wooooorrrd 2016-10-16T11:14:01 < ReadErr> great for making footprints 2016-10-16T11:14:04 < ReadErr> fuck calc.exe 2016-10-16T11:14:12 < dongs> all the input stuff in inspector dialogs can math 2016-10-16T11:14:19 < dongs> like pad size/xy pos etc 2016-10-16T11:15:26 < ReadErr> wonder if they will let you do something like (pin#)+2.54mm for coords 2016-10-16T11:15:32 < ReadErr> that would be extra sweet 2016-10-16T11:15:41 < dongs> grid already does this 2016-10-16T11:16:20 < ReadErr> what version did they add all this? 2016-10-16T11:16:22 < ReadErr> 16.3 ? 2016-10-16T11:16:38 < dongs> unsure but i tried and suddenly noticed it in .3 2016-10-16T11:16:43 < dongs> i didnt see a changelog entry abvout it 2016-10-16T11:19:08 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.1.120] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T11:19:17 < ReadErr> what, no way 2016-10-16T11:19:37 < ReadErr> you sure in 15? 2016-10-16T11:20:30 < dongs> it evne does unit conversion 2016-10-16T11:20:34 < dongs> 2mm+4mil type shit 2016-10-16T11:20:37 < dongs> and all math stuff 2016-10-16T11:20:38 < ReadErr> oh sweet 2016-10-16T11:20:46 < ReadErr> dongs: ohsix said this existed in 15 2016-10-16T11:20:48 < dongs> no idea, but if its been tehre its either receit and undocumented or i've been too dumb to try it 2016-10-16T11:21:05 < ReadErr> news2me 2016-10-16T11:21:53 < ReadErr> is every input field like that now? like grid spacing 2016-10-16T11:22:20 < ReadErr> it didnt exist when I tried sometime in 15 2016-10-16T11:22:35 < ReadErr> maybe they added it later 2016-10-16T11:22:39 < dongs> grid spacing also has math 2016-10-16T11:22:44 < dongs> ing g-g 2016-10-16T11:22:46 < dongs> in 2016-10-16T11:23:42 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T11:24:12 < ReadErr> unit conversion alone is great 2016-10-16T11:24:20 < dongs> unit conversion ahs been for a while 2016-10-16T11:24:23 < dongs> ive bene using that. 2016-10-16T11:24:29 < ReadErr> i just always hit q 2016-10-16T11:24:34 < dongs> most unit entry dialogs will convert if you just suffix it wiht the unit you want 2016-10-16T11:27:44 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-16T11:36:08 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-16T11:45:58 < Ecco> Would most MicroSD card work with 2.8V power/logic? 2016-10-16T11:46:31 < Ecco> what? 2016-10-16T11:46:47 < dongs> spec says from 2.7 to 3.6 2016-10-16T11:46:54 < Ecco> Great 2016-10-16T11:46:57 < dongs> designed to operate at a maximum operating frequency of 50MHz and a low voltage range from 2.7V to 3.6V. 2016-10-16T11:47:05 < Ecco> Excellent 2016-10-16T11:47:20 < Ecco> Thanks 2016-10-16T11:52:58 < stvn> but how is that going to get my pizza delivered? 2016-10-16T11:54:00 < stvn> some filthy nigger skimmed one of my debit cards 2016-10-16T11:56:12 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T11:57:15 < stvn> who knows how it happened 2016-10-16T11:57:33 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.1.120] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-16T12:12:06 -!- dsect [~carabia@unaffiliated/dsect] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T12:24:08 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-16T12:25:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.206] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T12:44:13 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-16T13:11:38 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T13:23:41 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: I learned electronics from EEVblog] 2016-10-16T13:34:46 < vampi-the-frog> has anyone managed to get a working USB Audio device with recording, using the STM32Cube code? 2016-10-16T13:41:18 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-16T13:43:56 < dongs> no but i had it working with stdperiphlib 2016-10-16T13:44:11 < dongs> doent cube come wiht a one-click shit for usb audio class 2016-10-16T13:44:17 < dongs> or wait, maybe mine was using keil usblib 2016-10-16T13:44:39 -!- theAdib [~theadib@dslb-088-074-171-032.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T13:46:48 < vampi-the-frog> well, there is an USB audio class 2016-10-16T13:46:52 < vampi-the-frog> but it only supports playback 2016-10-16T13:47:03 < vampi-the-frog> it also says it in their docs 2016-10-16T13:47:23 < vampi-the-frog> so when I was reading the docs, they were saying "but this can also be implemented" and I was like 2016-10-16T13:47:34 < vampi-the-frog> motherfucker, they just delivered half-finished code 2016-10-16T13:47:45 < vampi-the-frog> so now I'm trying libopencm3 2016-10-16T13:47:50 < vampi-the-frog> at least it seems easier to underestand 2016-10-16T13:48:02 < dongs> if youre luckyt enough that it suports your mcu 2016-10-16T13:48:02 < vampi-the-frog> a bit closer to the simplicity of arduino 2016-10-16T13:48:09 < dongs> last i looked at opencm3 it was half-finished shit 2016-10-16T13:48:14 < vampi-the-frog> well, it does support my mcu 2016-10-16T13:48:19 < vampi-the-frog> in fact it supports the dev board I am using 2016-10-16T13:48:37 < vampi-the-frog> well, it's all debatable 2016-10-16T13:49:05 < vampi-the-frog> but they have an USB MIDI example for F4, and I'm just trying to adapt that to my own mcu 2016-10-16T13:49:09 < vampi-the-frog> which is F1 2016-10-16T13:50:52 < vampi-the-frog> my goal now is to get a MIDI note message in when I press the button 2016-10-16T13:51:24 < vampi-the-frog> dongs, do you mind if I take a look at your stdperiph usb audio code? 2016-10-16T13:51:58 < dongs> nah it was some customer shit, sorry.also if anyone has F1 usb-audio stuff thats public thats probly one of emeb_mac's projects 2016-10-16T13:53:16 < vampi-the-frog> how would one take a peek at that? 2016-10-16T13:53:33 < dongs> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/ somewhere under synth or embedeed computing 2016-10-16T13:55:36 < dongs> or you can ask him wehn hes around 2016-10-16T13:55:45 < vampi-the-frog> great, thanks 2016-10-16T14:00:52 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T14:00:52 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-16T14:01:04 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ is now known as Mr_Sheesh 2016-10-16T14:17:29 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-16T14:55:53 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-16T14:56:38 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T15:12:52 < sync> dongs: do you know why the gd32 shit is so popular in china? 2016-10-16T15:17:21 < Steffanx> sync has seen them in the wild? 2016-10-16T15:19:58 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T15:27:59 < sync> yes Steffanx 2016-10-16T15:28:22 < Steffanx> Must have been an amazing cool product then. 2016-10-16T15:28:48 < sync> some hoverboard 2016-10-16T15:28:54 < dongs> sync: why not? chinese docs (does STM provide chinese datasheets? no) 2016-10-16T15:29:12 < dongs> and no fucking HAL bullshit 2016-10-16T15:30:14 < Steffanx> no hal bullshit? Arent those gd32 supposed to be 100% compatible 2016-10-16T15:30:19 < Steffanx> so free STM hal 2016-10-16T15:31:21 < dongs> slightly different 2016-10-16T15:54:07 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.25.237.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-16T15:58:11 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T16:04:21 -!- ccole [~cole@cpe-174-104-155-53.neo.res.rr.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T16:07:43 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb4j51Mor20 2016-10-16T16:08:15 < kakimir> robot sex 2016-10-16T16:09:13 -!- ccole [~cole@cpe-174-104-155-53.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-16T16:18:24 < Laurenceb_> u weirdo 2016-10-16T16:19:02 < Steffanx> not really kakimir.. its (just) repeating shit 2016-10-16T16:29:49 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-16T16:34:38 < Laurenceb_> only chance an irc user will ever have to get laid 2016-10-16T16:39:23 < kakimir> If i need nice color OLED around 2inch size 2016-10-16T16:39:29 < kakimir> square 2016-10-16T16:43:19 < kakimir> and it doesn't have to be chinacheap 2016-10-16T16:56:02 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T16:56:10 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T16:56:55 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-16T16:57:13 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T17:09:07 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T17:17:10 < kakimir> for small avionic gauge display 2016-10-16T17:21:00 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T17:26:16 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T17:26:53 < kimmoli> kakimir: only 1.5" http://www.buydisplay.com/default/serial-spi-1-5-inch-color-oled-display-128x128-graphic-module-ssd1351 2016-10-16T17:28:00 < kakimir> yes 2016-10-16T17:28:06 < kakimir> I need bigger one 2016-10-16T17:28:09 < kakimir> more resolution 2016-10-16T17:28:15 < kakimir> and not as shitty 2016-10-16T17:28:34 < Steffanx> 4k? 2016-10-16T17:29:04 < Steffanx> Don't change your requirements AFTER someone linked you to something kakimir :P 2016-10-16T17:29:24 < kakimir> not 4k 2016-10-16T17:29:47 < kakimir> 16:43 < kakimir> and it doesn't have to be chinacheap 2016-10-16T17:30:18 < kakimir> because there isn't sufficient one 2016-10-16T17:31:31 < kakimir> there seems to be lot of displays in mouser 2016-10-16T17:34:38 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-16T17:34:49 < kakimir> still just 1.7" 2016-10-16T17:36:32 < Steffanx> what what, people that dont state all of their requirements? 2016-10-16T17:38:44 < Steffanx> So conclusion: kakimir what are your requirements? 2016-10-16T17:39:09 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75:0:3147:b9b7:f994:1781] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T17:39:49 < kakimir> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2016-factory-customized-vr-headset-3d_60518083266.html?s=p interesting oled displays 2016-10-16T17:39:52 < kakimir> dongs: 2016-10-16T17:41:42 -!- damme_ [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75:0:3147:b9b7:f994:1781] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T17:41:59 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75:0:3147:b9b7:f994:1781] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2016-10-16T17:48:27 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4hTdSg47h3k 2016-10-16T17:48:33 < Laurenceb_> lulling hard 2016-10-16T17:49:50 < kakimir> you should work on zero point energy Laurenceb_ 2016-10-16T17:50:24 < Laurenceb_> heh 2016-10-16T17:50:26 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=40959.0;attach=1379376;image 2016-10-16T17:50:31 < Laurenceb_> emdrive crew spotted 2016-10-16T17:50:48 < Laurenceb_> y no young crackpots 2016-10-16T17:50:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.206] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-16T17:52:53 < Laurenceb_> who knows 2016-10-16T17:53:18 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.206] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T17:53:34 < Steffanx> Your dad. 2016-10-16T17:54:44 < Laurenceb_> maybe they could build a great, great wall around Estes park to keep the crazy contained 2016-10-16T17:55:36 < kakimir> just butt them on island and chop down all the trees 2016-10-16T17:57:23 < Steffanx> This is your new "i replace this word with something else"-word? 2016-10-16T17:58:47 < kakimir> it's tarded engkish ocd 2016-10-16T18:00:28 -!- damme_ [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75:0:3147:b9b7:f994:1781] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-16T18:05:10 < Rob235> hi 2016-10-16T18:05:28 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-16T18:06:51 < Steffanx> lo 2016-10-16T18:08:29 < Rob235> whachu upto 2016-10-16T18:17:45 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.134.206] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-16T18:24:46 < Rob235> on the stm32f407 disco is there any reason the gpio pins are laid out the way they are? like are they closer to the related pins on the processor? 2016-10-16T18:25:43 < sync> look at the gerbers 2016-10-16T18:25:52 < sync> they are laid out in a way that they are non cancer to layout 2016-10-16T18:26:11 < Rob235> ahh ok 2016-10-16T18:30:07 < Rob235> I don't know how to open gerber files :P 2016-10-16T18:32:36 < Rob235> if I had access to altium how would I open it? is there a main 'project' file or everything just seems to be split into its own part 2016-10-16T18:33:12 < Rob235> screw it 2016-10-16T18:33:15 < Rob235> i'll get gerbv 2016-10-16T18:33:18 < Rob235> thanks 2016-10-16T18:33:56 < Rob235> oh its linux 2016-10-16T18:35:14 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T18:35:16 < Rob235> ahh I see a windows on the sourceforge 2016-10-16T18:39:13 < Rob235> I'll do this later, still waking up :P 2016-10-16T18:42:57 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-16T18:55:28 < Rob235> http://imgur.com/a/xEqEC 2016-10-16T18:55:31 < Rob235> what does that shit mean 2016-10-16T18:57:39 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.1.120] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T18:58:37 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-16T19:03:06 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.26.128.162] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T19:04:39 -!- damme_ [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T19:20:44 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T19:23:27 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.18] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T19:26:24 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T19:27:56 < kakimir> maybe I should put that in my welding machine in place of shunt resistor 2016-10-16T19:28:27 < kakimir> I have 2 so those in paraller should handle 250Amps 2016-10-16T19:29:11 < vampi-the-frog> palarrel 2016-10-16T19:34:06 < Steffanx> lolz vampi-the-frog 2016-10-16T19:34:36 < Steffanx> How is your friend superbia/ranewen? 2016-10-16T19:34:54 * vampi-the-frog wat 2016-10-16T19:35:02 < Steffanx> Your friend superbia/ranewen? 2016-10-16T19:35:25 < Steffanx> You are also from romania right? 2016-10-16T19:35:37 < vampi-the-frog> Oh right, I forgot we all know each other over here. 2016-10-16T19:35:49 < Steffanx> See. How's he. 2016-10-16T19:36:00 < vampi-the-frog> I'm sure very rich and handsome. 2016-10-16T19:36:08 < Steffanx> Not at all. 2016-10-16T19:36:32 < Steffanx> but i understand, when you know so many people you sometimes get confused 2016-10-16T19:36:35 < vampi-the-frog> Then I've probably seen him on the streets huffing glue. 2016-10-16T19:36:52 < Steffanx> Sounds more like it. 2016-10-16T19:38:38 < vampi-the-frog> can someone explain what the DISC pin does? https://www.olimex.com/Products/ARM/ST/STM32-H405/resources/STM32-H405_sch.pdf 2016-10-16T19:38:50 < vampi-the-frog> does it disconnect from the USB connection somehow? 2016-10-16T19:39:24 < vampi-the-frog> because I've noticed it has to be pulled high while initializing the USB device code 2016-10-16T19:39:30 < vampi-the-frog> and then after a delay, cleared. 2016-10-16T19:39:37 < vampi-the-frog> otherwise it won't show up int he OS 2016-10-16T19:39:39 < vampi-the-frog> in the * 2016-10-16T19:43:30 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-16T19:44:30 < kimmoli> D+ pullup is high-speed device identification 2016-10-16T19:45:33 < vampi-the-frog> but this is full speed 2016-10-16T19:45:52 < kimmoli> full* 2016-10-16T19:46:00 < vampi-the-frog> ok 2016-10-16T19:47:25 < kimmoli> high speed is identified as full, then resistor is removed from D+ 2016-10-16T19:49:14 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-bce2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T20:03:44 < Rob235> hmmm, 16x 18650 batteries should heat a carbon fiber jacket for an hour 2016-10-16T20:06:26 < Rob235> I'm going to make a heated onesie 2016-10-16T20:06:50 < vampi-the-frog> you should add an USB port to it, for charging 2016-10-16T20:06:58 < Rob235> yea, definitely 2016-10-16T20:07:19 < celeron55> http://i.imgur.com/ZtNj2Ka.jpg 2016-10-16T20:07:19 < Rob235> and no balancing necessary, thats for losers 2016-10-16T20:12:38 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-16T20:15:20 < Rob235> $55 for 4 meters of carbon fiber tape, ehh fuck it 2016-10-16T20:36:35 < vampi-the-frog> I assume you guys are familiar with these ebay cheapies http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pcs-STM32F103C8T6-ARM-STM32-Minimum-System-Development-Board-Module-Arduino-/201414966215?hash=item2ee5447bc7:g:X-oAAOSw6BtVVACk 2016-10-16T20:36:39 < vampi-the-frog> but where can I find the schematic? 2016-10-16T20:37:32 < Steffanx> ya, dont know. 2016-10-16T20:38:25 < Steffanx> im sure google knows 2016-10-16T20:39:16 < Steffanx> http://www.stm32duino.com/viewtopic.php?t=980 2016-10-16T20:40:31 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.82] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T20:46:19 < vampi-the-frog> yep 2016-10-16T20:46:23 < vampi-the-frog> that's the exact one I found 2016-10-16T20:46:27 < vampi-the-frog> yes, the schematics are correct 2016-10-16T20:47:20 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T20:50:41 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.26.128.162] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-16T20:51:07 -!- ka6sox is now known as zz_ka6sox 2016-10-16T20:54:54 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-16T21:03:34 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.1.120] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-16T21:24:30 -!- damme_ [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-16T21:33:23 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.16.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-16T21:40:46 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.82] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T21:40:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-16T21:42:54 < Rob235> whats the NC pin 2016-10-16T21:42:55 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T21:43:29 < Steffanx> not connected. no connect, whatever you call it. 2016-10-16T21:44:01 < Rob235> whys it there 2016-10-16T21:44:17 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.17.243] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T21:44:40 < Steffanx> To tell you there is a pin, but not connected and probably you should not connect it. 2016-10-16T21:44:53 < Rob235> why not just make it another GND though? 2016-10-16T21:44:54 < Rob235> hah 2016-10-16T21:45:27 < LeelooMinai> Because the die may not have another area for ground bonding wire 2016-10-16T21:46:15 < Rob235> just connect it to the gnd pin right below it? 2016-10-16T21:46:54 < LeelooMinai> You are talking about some ic pin or header pin or what? 2016-10-16T21:47:16 < Rob235> its on the f407 discovery board 2016-10-16T21:52:30 < LeelooMinai> Maybe they had some gnd/power rules across discovery boards, I don't know. 2016-10-16T21:52:50 < Rob235> no big deal, was just curious 2016-10-16T21:53:37 < Steffanx> Curiousity is baaad 2016-10-16T21:54:14 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-24-19-176-217.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T21:54:35 < Rob235> there is also H0 and H1 that say OSC and C14 and C15 say OSC RTC 2016-10-16T21:55:14 < LeelooMinai> Right, one is 32kHz the other is MHz for the main clock probably 2016-10-16T21:55:23 < LeelooMinai> The RTC one is 32kHz 2016-10-16T21:55:43 < Rob235> so pretend they don't exist, gotcha 2016-10-16T21:57:06 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-16T21:58:36 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-24-19-176-217.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-16T22:10:16 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T22:11:21 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2600:380:7058:6e7d:8997:269d:320f:d3b0] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T22:12:07 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2016-10-16T22:14:45 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-16T22:17:19 < Rob235> I'm making a pdf with an image of the disco board and a layer for each GPIO pin to show which ones are used. a bit of a waste of time but I like it 2016-10-16T22:18:39 < kimmoli> this? http://www.mobilerobots.pl/web_images/stm32f4_discovery_pinout.png 2016-10-16T22:19:48 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T22:20:16 < Rob235> yup 2016-10-16T22:21:37 < Rob235> http://imgur.com/a/zQMva 2016-10-16T22:21:46 < Rob235> that shows all pins being used, I can just choose what layers to make visible 2016-10-16T22:36:43 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2600:380:7058:6e7d:8997:269d:320f:d3b0] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-16T22:38:02 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.17.243] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-16T22:42:54 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.17.243] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T22:43:43 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-16T22:57:11 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T23:03:43 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-16T23:11:06 < Steffanx> Damn Laurenceb_ i can hardly deal with you being so quiet. 2016-10-16T23:22:40 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/j7ZHbuM3/pooninspector.png 2016-10-16T23:29:05 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/1xwMYO6.gifv 2016-10-16T23:29:18 < Steffanx> Ah, there are Laurenceb's replacement troops. 2016-10-16T23:29:42 < Steffanx> nice one upgrdman :) 2016-10-16T23:29:57 < upgrdman> :) 2016-10-16T23:35:12 < ReadErr> speaking of Laurence/b/ 2016-10-16T23:35:20 < ReadErr> his efnet brother informed me of something 2016-10-16T23:35:31 < ReadErr> freenode has been recording all chats for the past 8 years 2016-10-16T23:35:44 < ReadErr> and you can download a log of everything you said 2016-10-16T23:36:37 < BrainDamage> can you download a log of others? 2016-10-16T23:36:39 < Rob235> why? 2016-10-16T23:36:47 < Rob235> waste of space 2016-10-16T23:36:51 < BrainDamage> also, how exactly 2016-10-16T23:37:00 < ReadErr> its part of the uhh 2016-10-16T23:37:04 < ReadErr> meta spam project? 2016-10-16T23:37:07 < ReadErr> something like that 2016-10-16T23:37:29 < ReadErr> englishman: u remember the name? 2016-10-16T23:38:42 < Steffanx> lol wut ReadErr? Sores/proof or it did not happen 2016-10-16T23:39:00 < ReadErr> Steffanx: the guy that coded it and ran it called into the LRH 2016-10-16T23:39:03 < ReadErr> ya that sounds right 2016-10-16T23:39:05 < ReadErr> ish 2016-10-16T23:39:09 < ReadErr> antispammeta 2016-10-16T23:39:35 < BrainDamage> you said you can access your logs, i want to know how 2016-10-16T23:40:22 < ReadErr> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/JqpEXy4v/ 2016-10-16T23:41:06 < Steffanx> i still see no proof :P 2016-10-16T23:41:59 < ReadErr> https://dev.antispammeta.net/ 2016-10-16T23:42:52 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKTEI1YVRYWEtoeU0/view?usp=sharing what is that goo on glass fiber socks? 2016-10-16T23:42:53 < ReadErr> i havent tried it yet 2016-10-16T23:43:54 < kakimir> does servers keep irclogs how long? 2016-10-16T23:44:11 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-16T23:44:15 < ReadErr> I believe the way to go from here first and foremost is to ensure everyone is aware of what AntiSpamMeta is and has been doing and to destroy any data it has collected* without consent of the involved parties. Additionally, these features must not continue to exist without transparency. I believe if we choose to keep the functionality, the only way to 2016-10-16T23:44:16 < ReadErr> accomplish complete transparency is to put it in a separate project entirely. 2016-10-16T23:44:16 < ReadErr> However, even though I ultimately have to decide on the way AntiSpamMeta will be going, I do not think I should make this decision all by myself without consulting the wider freenode community. I therefore invite everyone concerned to join me in #antispammeta-transparency on freenode to discuss matters openly and rationally. 2016-10-16T23:44:16 < ReadErr> — Janik Kleinhoff (ilbelkyr), AntiSpamMeta maintainer since July 2016 2016-10-16T23:44:17 < Steffanx> "You don't have permission to use that command, or you're not signed into nickserv." awh. 2016-10-16T23:45:05 < Steffanx> i still have no clue what this is all about. 2016-10-16T23:45:39 < ReadErr> it started as a DNSBL kinda thing 2016-10-16T23:45:44 < ReadErr> but when people found out 2016-10-16T23:45:53 < ReadErr> they turned it in to a high score game 2016-10-16T23:47:11 -!- ReadError_ is now known as ReadError 2016-10-16T23:48:23 < Steffanx> LRH = ? 2016-10-16T23:48:35 -!- bugzc_ [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T23:49:21 < ReadError> l0de radio whore 2016-10-16T23:49:23 < ReadError> hour 2016-10-16T23:49:34 < ReadError> im asking in the spamchan now 2016-10-16T23:49:39 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRTVjY25rMU44MGc/view?usp=sharing I wonder what material that shunt is? doesn't look aluminum 2016-10-16T23:50:06 < Steffanx> there is this tweet but .. cant confirm 2016-10-16T23:50:07 < Steffanx> https://twitter.com/FuxNet/status/777926793416286208 2016-10-16T23:50:14 < kakimir> it has some copperish tint on beveled edges 2016-10-16T23:50:31 < Steffanx> it didnt work for me, can you try too ReadError? 2016-10-16T23:52:32 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-16T23:52:41 < kakimir> would they make that big shunt from nicrome? 2016-10-16T23:52:54 < kakimir> or whatever is that de facto shunt material 2016-10-16T23:53:51 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-16T23:54:04 < ReadError> Steffanx 0 hits lol 2016-10-16T23:54:20 < Steffanx> im still lost. what this fuzz is all about 2016-10-16T23:54:36 < Steffanx> What is that thing even supposed to return 2016-10-16T23:57:02 < Steffanx> And where does it get thsi info and .. im lost. 2016-10-16T23:59:17 < ReadError> Steffanx theres an ep 2016-10-16T23:59:19 < ReadError> the guys calls in 2016-10-16T23:59:21 < kakimir> is blog writing wurth it? 2016-10-16T23:59:22 < ReadError> but im not sure which 2016-10-16T23:59:32 < ReadError> kakimir ur doing it now, no 2016-10-16T23:59:39 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:74b0:324b:3274:74e6] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-16T23:59:46 < kakimir> does blogs create connections and help anyone find anything? 2016-10-16T23:59:55 < Steffanx> "ep" ReadError? --- Day changed Mon Oct 17 2016 2016-10-17T00:00:24 < kakimir> If I write blog about specific thing is there anyone who seriously needs the contents 2016-10-17T00:00:38 < ReadError> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QqOH4rd1vQ 2016-10-17T00:00:41 < ReadError> one of these 2016-10-17T00:00:56 < Steffanx> 6 hours -_- 2016-10-17T00:01:52 < ReadError> exactly 2016-10-17T00:01:58 < ReadError> and no lennylogs 2016-10-17T00:02:05 < ReadError> so I have no idea which one its in 2016-10-17T00:02:20 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-bce2e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-17T00:03:23 < kakimir> ReadError: what is that? 2016-10-17T00:03:33 * ReadError face into desk 2016-10-17T00:04:44 < sync> the fuck is that shit ReadError 2016-10-17T00:04:49 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.1.120] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T00:05:20 < ReadError> erm 2016-10-17T00:05:30 < ReadError> its w/e you want it to be I guess 2016-10-17T00:05:35 < ReadError> I dont have an answer 2016-10-17T00:08:48 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@c-50-151-75-108.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T00:08:51 < hesperaux> Hello 2016-10-17T00:17:12 < hesperaux> using the std periph library... I configured an led output and then later, a different pin on the same IO port. As soon as I configure that second pin, the first pin stops working. It appears that the init struct for the second config is clobbering the first, and vice versa. How can I keep the port state while changing the configuration of one pin? Is the library not designed to do this? Should I modify the registers myself? 2016-10-17T00:31:05 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0aea5c.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-17T00:37:44 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manganin found my shunt material 2016-10-17T00:45:21 < kakimir> why didn't you know shunt material pro guise? 2016-10-17T00:46:55 < kakimir> http://2.imimg.com/data2/AY/SS/MY-4764253/manganin-sheets-500x500.jpg 2016-10-17T00:57:49 < kakimir> would they use such shunt in welding machine that has shunt voltage at full average amperage around 0.1volts or so 2016-10-17T00:58:18 < kakimir> 250amperes so that block of manganin would be producing 25watts of heat 2016-10-17T01:01:38 -!- theAdib [~theadib@dslb-088-074-171-032.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-17T01:13:31 < kakimir> so it only not may - but definitelly is manganin 2016-10-17T01:13:48 < kakimir> is there other alloys such as this? 2016-10-17T01:16:25 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i80qaETtw8 2016-10-17T01:19:16 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-17T01:22:17 < BrainDamage> for mechanical expansion vs temp, there's invar 2016-10-17T01:22:57 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T01:30:17 < kakimir> for low thermal expansion coefficient 2016-10-17T01:30:30 < kakimir> cool stuff 2016-10-17T01:30:34 < kakimir> didn't know that 2016-10-17T01:34:32 < kakimir> modern world produces all these things 2016-10-17T01:34:49 < kakimir> and everything* is commercially avaiable 2016-10-17T01:35:11 < sync> shit is pretty old tho 2016-10-17T01:36:03 < kakimir> yes 2016-10-17T01:36:22 < kakimir> peeps in 60s hd all the shiet 2016-10-17T01:36:32 < kakimir> but proper computing 2016-10-17T01:37:15 < kakimir> if not in 60s then at least in the 70s 2016-10-17T01:38:20 < kakimir> but they had it simpler back then 2016-10-17T01:44:38 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-17T01:55:12 < kakimir> if you look at f15 fighter jet you know they had the tech back in -72 2016-10-17T01:56:02 < kakimir> now it all basically is commercially available to everyone 2016-10-17T02:06:55 < kakimir> who pays these students their schools? 2016-10-17T02:07:39 < kakimir> makes no sense 2016-10-17T02:10:26 < KreAture_> hmm 2016-10-17T02:10:47 * KreAture_ loaded freertos on a stm32f103 and it stopped responding to programming 2016-10-17T02:11:09 < KreAture_> found I had to hold reset button on the board and start connecting before releasing 2016-10-17T02:11:29 < KreAture_> englishman that's the point, programming fails and it disables swd, my image definately does not 2016-10-17T02:11:45 < KreAture_> it doesn't connect to that line 2016-10-17T02:11:56 < KreAture_> it's the cheapo swd v2 linkys 2016-10-17T02:12:25 < KreAture_> englishman the point is, the image does not have any specs for swd, no option bits 2016-10-17T02:12:41 < KreAture_> and a few other images I have here does not misbehave 2016-10-17T02:13:05 < KreAture_> but it happens when you use a certain setup for systick timer in the config 2016-10-17T02:13:15 < KreAture_> and no it doesn't use the io's 2016-10-17T02:13:27 < KreAture_> the image was clean with only freertos blank set up 2016-10-17T02:13:31 < KreAture_> no io was used yet 2016-10-17T02:13:41 < KreAture_> but it did set up systick and time1 2016-10-17T02:13:44 < KreAture_> tmr1 2016-10-17T02:13:52 < KreAture_> I didn't do that I know 2016-10-17T02:14:07 < KreAture_> the fun thing is, switch clocksource for systick and it's fine 2016-10-17T02:14:27 < KreAture_> so, the chips are recoverable, and it's avoidable 2016-10-17T02:14:30 < KreAture_> but weird issue! 2016-10-17T02:15:55 < KreAture_> I do wish there was an option in emblocks (embitz 1.0 ) to choose the base library though, the one in embitz is a bit old 2016-10-17T02:26:26 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.1.120] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-17T02:28:13 -!- emeb [~ericb@184-98-82-156.phnx.qwest.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T02:36:44 < Laurenceb_> sup 2016-10-17T02:36:47 * Laurenceb_ is back 2016-10-17T02:37:01 * Laurenceb_ is building a GRP roof, kakimir would be interested :P 2016-10-17T02:37:30 < kakimir> ? 2016-10-17T02:38:17 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: 18mm plywood with 2x 600gram chopped strand mat 2016-10-17T02:38:20 < Laurenceb_> no too exciting 2016-10-17T02:39:18 < Laurenceb_> spent _way_ too long building the rest of the roof 2016-10-17T02:39:35 < Laurenceb_> decided to paint everything that might get exposed to the weather 2016-10-17T02:40:14 -!- emeb [~ericb@184-98-82-156.phnx.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-17T02:40:31 < kakimir> tell me tommorrow 2016-10-17T02:40:38 < kakimir> paint it well 2016-10-17T02:41:12 < Laurenceb_> primer, undercoat, topcoat each taking a day to dry means three days per part 2016-10-17T02:41:27 < Laurenceb_> then if I havent done everything in the right order... 2016-10-17T02:43:05 < LeelooMinai> Someone here uses Kail maybe? 2016-10-17T02:43:10 < LeelooMinai> Keil 2016-10-17T02:49:28 < LeelooMinai> englishman: You use it'? 2016-10-17T02:50:15 < LeelooMinai> That's not "of course"... It's commercial and probably rare among hobbyists. 2016-10-17T02:51:07 < LeelooMinai> I don't know - Limiting oneself to only 0 series is kind of... limiting. 2016-10-17T02:51:25 < LeelooMinai> Even for hobbyists. 2016-10-17T02:51:58 < LeelooMinai> Anyways... I am asking because the ARM GNU Eclipse plugins use Keil SVD repository for register view. 2016-10-17T02:52:52 < aandrew> blah 2016-10-17T02:52:55 < LeelooMinai> And ok, it works kind of fine, but, SVD files to not contain ARM Cortext non-peripheral generic blocks. Like SystemTick, System Control Block, etc. 2016-10-17T02:52:56 < aandrew> any of you use autocad 360? 2016-10-17T02:53:13 < LeelooMinai> I used Fusion 360 a bit. 2016-10-17T02:53:33 < LeelooMinai> englishman: Can you see those in Keil ide when you are debugging? 2016-10-17T02:54:33 < LeelooMinai> "register map" being what in this context? 2016-10-17T02:55:12 < LeelooMinai> Is it some view in the Keil IDE? 2016-10-17T02:56:33 < LeelooMinai> I mean something like this in Eclipse? http://i.imgur.com/KKJKlkF.png 2016-10-17T02:57:50 < LeelooMinai> Ok, and there's no SCB there? 2016-10-17T03:00:42 < LeelooMinai> Asking, because I started modifying those SVDs by hand, but it's a lot of work, so wondered if maybe Kail has some "better" SVDs, but I guess not... 2016-10-17T03:00:45 < Laurenceb_> http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/95866/1476460853/WooD2.jpg 2016-10-17T03:01:06 < LeelooMinai> That's a lot of work for just one register:/ 2016-10-17T03:01:08 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/E7RaA4s.png 2016-10-17T03:01:42 < LeelooMinai> And I can see it then fine: http://i.imgur.com/Gh5FOAQ.png 2016-10-17T03:02:01 < LeelooMinai> But it will be PITA to type them all (I kind of need them though for this debug session) 2016-10-17T03:03:32 < LeelooMinai> I think I have not much choice then. Not buing Keil with its weird compiler:) 2016-10-17T03:06:51 < LeelooMinai> I have no doubt it produces nice code, but... does it support full C++14? 2016-10-17T03:07:30 < LeelooMinai> I seriously do not know what it supports... 2016-10-17T03:08:13 < zyp> IIRC I heard it got C++11 support a while ago, so I guess the answer is eventually 2016-10-17T03:08:53 < LeelooMinai> Well, from englishman's response, I don't know what one should deduce... 2016-10-17T03:09:47 < LeelooMinai> It's like talking with some microcontroller programmer Ninjia - he talks in riddles, and probably lives on Saturn. 2016-10-17T03:10:45 < sync> LeelooMinai: the scb stuff is in the segger xml stuff 2016-10-17T03:11:19 < LeelooMinai> o_O Segger? What does segger have to do with this? 2016-10-17T03:11:43 < zyp> I think it's fair to assume that the people that buy keil wants to get shit done, not toy around with all the fancy new language features, so C++14 support is probably not a big priority 2016-10-17T03:11:59 < sync> LeelooMinai: well, they make the jlink, don't they? 2016-10-17T03:12:25 < LeelooMinai> sync: Yes, but why would they have those XML files? 2016-10-17T03:12:42 < sync> because they need to figure out what is going on in their targets? 2016-10-17T03:12:54 < sync> or at least identify which they have to tell the debugger that 2016-10-17T03:13:15 < sync> no idea, but they have it 2016-10-17T03:13:30 < zyp> do they have standalone debugger software? 2016-10-17T03:13:51 < LeelooMinai> I think it's not free, but yes. 2016-10-17T03:14:04 < zyp> for that, then 2016-10-17T03:14:24 < sync> you can rip the arm only stuff from them 2016-10-17T03:15:21 < LeelooMinai> Ok, seems I can download it at least. 2016-10-17T03:15:51 < LeelooMinai> Maybe I will find something - still, who knows if they use same format for those, the SVD one. 2016-10-17T03:16:12 < dongs> xml shit is CMSIS-SVD 2016-10-17T03:16:24 < dongs> standard way to describe peripherals/etc 2016-10-17T03:16:26 < zyp> yeah, I was about to say, doesn't CMSIS have all that stuff? 2016-10-17T03:16:33 * LeelooMinai sighs 2016-10-17T03:17:15 < LeelooMinai> My whole conversation was about how Keil files for particular device have only peripheral stuff, no things like SCB for example. 2016-10-17T03:17:44 < LeelooMinai> And Eclipse downloads those files from Keil. 2016-10-17T03:18:00 < LeelooMinai> So I started adding this by hand, but it will be a lot of work. 2016-10-17T03:18:50 < zyp> maybe you should just buy keil, unless your time is worthless 2016-10-17T03:18:59 < dongs> thats a given 2016-10-17T03:19:07 < dongs> also, isnt SCB from arm core 2016-10-17T03:19:12 < zyp> yes 2016-10-17T03:19:13 < dongs> its not gonna be in ST vendor XML file 2016-10-17T03:19:21 < dongs> its going to be in ARM common thing or whatever 2016-10-17T03:19:25 < dongs> wherever that shit is 2016-10-17T03:19:30 < LeelooMinai> Well, it's just one aspect of the whole setup - no sense to buy expensive software and switch from well-known one for one feature. 2016-10-17T03:19:31 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T03:20:16 < LeelooMinai> Right, I don't know what that "shit" is, and what format it uses, and where it is. 2016-10-17T03:20:29 < dongs> likely do not need to. 2016-10-17T03:20:55 < zyp> well, then there's the other option 2016-10-17T03:20:59 < LeelooMinai> Well, I cannot see those ARM peripherals in the standard view. 2016-10-17T03:21:08 < zyp> just forget about all the SVD bullshit and stop wasting your time on it 2016-10-17T03:21:20 < LeelooMinai> lol... 2016-10-17T03:21:21 < zyp> ^ my solution 2016-10-17T03:21:33 < LeelooMinai> zyp: That will help me with debugging how? :p 2016-10-17T03:21:47 < LeelooMinai> I need to see those registers to diagnose something. 2016-10-17T03:21:59 < dongs> then fucking look at the number and compare wiht manual 2016-10-17T03:22:01 < zyp> freeing up your time to actually debug instead of bullshitting around with tools that doesn't work properly 2016-10-17T03:22:14 < dongs> autisming about it on irc 2016-10-17T03:22:17 < dongs> will not solve the problem 2016-10-17T03:23:03 < LeelooMinai> dongs: That's not really practical - I am not going to look each register up every time I step through code and decode fields. 2016-10-17T03:23:17 < stvn> the cpp shaman 2016-10-17T03:23:20 < dongs> 09:23 Ignoring ALL from LeelooMinai 2016-10-17T03:23:24 < dongs> LeelooMinai, I have put you on a permanent ignore, public and private. I have found you disturbing, rude and generally not worth talking to. According to the channels you hang on, it strengtens the effect of wanting to put you on ignore because of my lack of interest in you as a person. This message is not meant to be rude to you, just to inform you that i won't see anything of what you type from now on. 2016-10-17T03:24:03 < LeelooMinai> Right, I guess I killed him with logical thinking. 2016-10-17T03:24:09 < stvn> should have purchased mdk-arm 2016-10-17T03:24:24 < zyp> how the fuck are you going to debug anything without referencing documentation? 2016-10-17T03:24:34 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Are you retarded too? 2016-10-17T03:24:48 < zyp> maybe? 2016-10-17T03:25:01 < LeelooMinai> I think you may be - I have no explanation for your questions at this moment... 2016-10-17T03:25:17 < LeelooMinai> Do I have to explain common sense-everything? 2016-10-17T03:26:32 < stvn> LeelooMinai, www.freelancer.com 2016-10-17T03:26:54 < LeelooMinai> stvn: Joining the retarded people club? :p 2016-10-17T03:27:30 < dongs> stvn: the dumbfuck wouldnt be able to get any jobs done, he would just sit on irc and autism wiht o6 2016-10-17T03:28:36 < LeelooMinai> I don't think dongs knows what autism is - ironically it's what he is characterised by in many of his conversations. 2016-10-17T03:29:09 < stvn> so anyway onto stm32 related stuff..... 2016-10-17T03:29:27 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I don't really see how looking up a register in a manual takes any longer time than looking it up in a SVD viewer 2016-10-17T03:29:50 < zyp> if it does, maybe you need a better pdf viewer 2016-10-17T03:30:35 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Not sure how to respond to this. What you write does not may any sense, so don't know where to start. 2016-10-17T03:31:07 < zyp> LeelooMinai, tell me what doesn't make sense and I can try clarifying 2016-10-17T03:31:33 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2016-10-17T03:31:55 < dongs> ignore is a wonderful thing 2016-10-17T03:32:11 < dongs> zyp, so bout st95, if i want to 'scan' stuff do i just repeatedly clal sendrecv thing in aloop or something? 2016-10-17T03:32:19 < dongs> there's no ' wait for junk ' mode? 2016-10-17T03:32:42 < zyp> that's what I do, but there's tag detect mode as well 2016-10-17T03:32:53 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Aha, ok... Well, you debug, you set a breakpoint, then you investigate, you look at few related peripherals - maybe 3-4, 10 registers, maybe dozen of fields, takes you 1 muinutes. Then you rinse and repeat, say, 10 times and you find a bug. Do you see how doing it with PDF (which of course I have opened for consulting the detail) each time will take x10 time? 2016-10-17T03:33:19 < zyp> IIRC tag detect mode is some low power stuff that just energizes the coil to transfer power and senses when a tag starts loading it and wakes up the chip 2016-10-17T03:34:35 < dongs> ok, will check. not my proj , i got it to return some NFCJ24blabla thing to CMD 0, which means comms is working ill let the other guy figure out the rest of shit 2016-10-17T03:35:19 < zyp> that's 14443A? 2016-10-17T03:35:30 < dongs> no like... ST95 cmd 0 2016-10-17T03:35:32 < dongs> return ID or something 2016-10-17T03:35:39 < zyp> oh, just spi comms 2016-10-17T03:35:40 < zyp> right 2016-10-17T03:35:41 < dongs> yweh 2016-10-17T03:36:07 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, found .svd files in that Segger debugger installation, per-cortex, but they contain CPU register descriptions, I see FPU also, but seems to be it. 2016-10-17T03:36:12 < dongs> i see how you missed that SPI_WAKE t hing 2016-10-17T03:36:27 < Laurenceb_> https://ageofshitlords.com/die-cis-scum-girl-left-feminism-is-normal-now/ 2016-10-17T03:36:29 < dongs> that needs to toggle it to wake up 2016-10-17T03:36:40 < zyp> yeah 2016-10-17T03:36:41 < Laurenceb_> not sure if that could ever count as normal 2016-10-17T03:37:24 < zyp> dongs, who designed the board? is the antenna tuned? 2016-10-17T03:37:44 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, they have also 3 files there for 3 devices, F103, F407 and LPC and they are huge. And yes, they have those definitions inside... 2016-10-17T03:37:53 < LeelooMinai> Weird 2016-10-17T03:38:03 < dongs> zyp, copypaste from some reference thing as far as i know, so it should be oK 2016-10-17T03:38:08 < zyp> ah 2016-10-17T03:38:16 < LeelooMinai> Well, at least I see DBG registers - those are not in the Keil files. 2016-10-17T03:39:45 < LeelooMinai> But no SCB - fail:) 2016-10-17T03:41:28 < zyp> are you sure SCB is not part of NVIC? 2016-10-17T03:41:46 < dongs> #stop_autism 2016-10-17T03:42:36 < LeelooMinai> zyp: No, ironically I work with PDFs for the whole day and those peripherals are described in Cortex-M specific STM doc - it's separate. 2016-10-17T03:42:43 < zyp> LeelooMinai, also, when I'm debugging, I usually just print the entire struct mapping the peripheral register block, then look up whatever fields of that looks interesting based on the hex value 2016-10-17T03:43:17 < LeelooMinai> zyp: They are called "core peripherals" http://i.imgur.com/JVhrMCc.png 2016-10-17T03:43:31 < zyp> englishman, in gdb, print is a gdb command 2016-10-17T03:43:34 < LeelooMinai> zyp: I don't see how this is efficient... 2016-10-17T03:44:21 < zyp> LeelooMinai, well, I don't spend any time trying to get my tools to work 2016-10-17T03:44:49 < LeelooMinai> zyp: I have my tools working. I am trying to debug some context-switching bug. 2016-10-17T03:44:58 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Don't you see how having something like this: http://i.imgur.com/e1pbfA1.png 2016-10-17T03:45:29 < LeelooMinai> Is more efficient? It updates whenever you want - what on Earth is the point of using PDF each time if you are just monitoring some field... 2016-10-17T03:45:55 < LeelooMinai> I mean they made those views for a reason. 2016-10-17T03:47:00 < LeelooMinai> Happens too that there is tons of useful stuff in that SCB. And SysTick of course. 2016-10-17T03:48:23 < LeelooMinai> And since I am trying to diagnose why FreeRTOS has some proiblem switching between tasks, this is rather important for me to look at ever time I hit a breakpoint: http://i.imgur.com/xJl9Pur.png 2016-10-17T03:48:54 < LeelooMinai> Ok, I guess this is what I had to say... Now, I don't know who is autistic here, but seems to me my thinking is pretty logical and all the questions very pretty valid. 2016-10-17T03:49:38 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T03:50:15 < LeelooMinai> All I got in return was how great Keil is, etc. - fail:p 2016-10-17T03:50:52 < LeelooMinai> "Never ask on IRC something you can type in in few hours" 2016-10-17T03:52:22 < zyp> I didn't say it's not convenient to have 2016-10-17T03:52:41 < LeelooMinai> You said you woild look it up in PDF each time. 2016-10-17T03:52:57 < LeelooMinai> And I explained how it's couter-productive in the long run. 2016-10-17T03:53:14 < LeelooMinai> It's fine for initial look up, but not each time you break. 2016-10-17T03:53:27 < zyp> my point is that is seems like too much of a hassle to dick around with to get it working properly with every target I want to debug, so it's not really worthwhile 2016-10-17T03:53:51 < LeelooMinai> Not with every target - those are common to all ARM family. 2016-10-17T03:53:53 < zyp> every time you break? you can't remember something you looked up a few minutes ago? 2016-10-17T03:54:17 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Dude, when you break you need to decode those fields too. 2016-10-17T03:56:08 < zyp> yeah? 2016-10-17T03:56:31 < LeelooMinai> You break and don't look at actual values? :) Are they in PDF too or what... 2016-10-17T03:56:58 < zyp> IME, the interesting field in SCB is SCB_CFSR, any bit set in that register represents a fault, so it being 0 means everything is fine 2016-10-17T03:57:04 < zyp> I don't need to look up anything to know that 2016-10-17T03:57:29 < LeelooMinai> Well, that's nice you have one favourite little filed there. But I need to look at more. 2016-10-17T04:02:00 < stvn> watching 1 of Laurenceb_'s youtube links has smashed my autoplay list https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dIh0oDEGqk 2016-10-17T04:03:17 < Laurenceb_> surprisingly high production standards 2016-10-17T04:09:32 < stvn> lolrenceb_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmkXCsqJee0 2016-10-17T04:12:08 < Laurenceb_> grr syrialivemap is so slow 2016-10-17T04:12:25 < stvn> as dry as sarkeesians snatch 2016-10-17T04:12:31 < Laurenceb_> want to check on epic pwning by lord Assad, but javascript got in the way 2016-10-17T04:12:52 < sync> yeah 2016-10-17T04:12:57 < sync> it thinks that I'm on mobile 2016-10-17T04:13:02 < Laurenceb_> Assad should make a calendar Putin style 2016-10-17T04:13:14 < Laurenceb_> I would buy 2016-10-17T04:14:11 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-17T04:14:27 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T04:14:32 < stvn> fuckin australian internet 2016-10-17T04:14:42 < stvn> kangaroo must have ripped another cable out 2016-10-17T04:14:45 < Laurenceb_> great internet proof fence 2016-10-17T04:14:54 -!- mitrax [mitrax@7-36-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr] has quit [] 2016-10-17T04:25:30 < stvn> maybe if i was drunk 2016-10-17T04:26:52 < Laurenceb_> R2COM confirmed as insane 2016-10-17T04:27:32 < Laurenceb_> she's pretty clever tho, successfully manipulated the gamergoys 2016-10-17T04:27:37 < stvn> yeah 2016-10-17T04:27:46 < stvn> it'd be hard to spend 5 mins with her imo 2016-10-17T04:27:46 < Laurenceb_> so she could play the victim and make megabucks 2016-10-17T04:28:04 < stvn> a solution for a problem that never existed 2016-10-17T04:28:55 * Laurenceb_ is raging at lack of datasheets for construction adhesives 2016-10-17T04:29:06 < stvn> yeah good luck for that 2016-10-17T04:29:12 < Laurenceb_> it's like they think builders are all /b/ tards 2016-10-17T04:29:12 < stvn> i've tried before 2016-10-17T04:29:22 < Laurenceb_> "sticks like shit", yeah but whats in it 2016-10-17T04:29:43 < Laurenceb_> http://www.screwfix.com/p/evo-stik-sticks-like-sh-t-290ml/22070 2016-10-17T04:29:55 < Laurenceb_> epin branding 2016-10-17T04:30:33 < Laurenceb_> need something for bonding GRP subassemblies together 2016-10-17T04:31:54 < stvn> any famous high scores with that piece? 2016-10-17T04:32:05 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Did I tell you you are some charicature of a person from a rap video? O, right... I did... :) 2016-10-17T04:32:40 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Do you wear a huge gold chain on your neck? :p 2016-10-17T04:33:52 < stvn> do you wanna knock dindus or what? 2016-10-17T04:34:30 < sync> Laurenceb_: why don't you use something from an acutal adhesive supplier? 2016-10-17T04:34:55 < Laurenceb_> yeah thats what I'm doing 2016-10-17T04:35:25 < Laurenceb_> ordering some polyurethane adhesive, its whats supposed to be used 2016-10-17T04:36:31 < stvn> god bless america http://cdn.wallpapersafari.com/21/29/54r1A7.jpg 2016-10-17T04:37:24 < sync> get a cbj ms 2016-10-17T04:39:08 * Laurenceb_ zzz 2016-10-17T04:40:08 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: What do you even care - the effects in those video games are not that realistic:p 2016-10-17T04:40:25 < sync> go swedish 2016-10-17T04:43:16 < sync> well, then you get a weapon that is specifically designed to defeat crisat panels 2016-10-17T04:43:20 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-17T04:43:32 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T04:43:57 < LeelooMinai> Buy yourself a bow imo - more skill required and better excercise:p 2016-10-17T04:44:58 < aandrew> what's a crisat panel? 2016-10-17T04:46:09 < sync> aandrew: ballistic test panel 2016-10-17T04:46:18 < sync> thought to emulate soviet body armor well 2016-10-17T04:46:48 < stvn> boomerang 2016-10-17T04:46:50 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/bdSFbRx.png 2016-10-17T04:46:54 < stvn> you can knock out a kangaroo 2016-10-17T04:47:10 < stvn> then fuck it 2016-10-17T04:47:26 < stvn> no 2016-10-17T04:49:14 < stvn> i got a stick 2016-10-17T04:50:26 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-17T04:54:01 -!- dsect [~carabia@unaffiliated/dsect] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-17T04:56:30 < stvn> he needs to go take a shit 2016-10-17T05:06:27 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.17.243] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-17T05:11:45 < LeelooMinai> R2COM got a permit for a glue gun this year. Working on a nail gun permit before 2020. 2016-10-17T05:16:52 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.63.141] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T05:19:10 < dongs> hey R2COM did you ignore TransLooMinai yet 2016-10-17T05:19:21 < dongs> did that this morning, best thing to happen in weeks on this channel 2016-10-17T05:20:00 < dongs> yueah? 2016-10-17T05:20:03 < dongs> what do you expect to see there 2016-10-17T05:20:14 < dongs> yeah, i think 746 disco is mipi-dsi to lcd 2016-10-17T05:20:21 < dongs> like ~6 wires 2016-10-17T05:20:26 < dongs> oh 2016-10-17T05:20:43 < dongs> okay, anyway, t here's a LCDC or something thing, lcd controller that does parallel/whatever panels 2016-10-17T05:20:52 < dongs> in some F4 also. 2016-10-17T05:21:09 < dongs> shit connected by FSMC, and LCDC does the drawing/GPU stuff. 2016-10-17T05:22:02 < dongs> looks like it 2016-10-17T05:22:11 < dongs> RK043bla bla is that the LCD connector? 2016-10-17T05:22:21 < dongs> and LCD_Rx/Gx/Bx goes directly to STM? 2016-10-17T05:23:04 < dongs> heh, the wled booster is similar to the one I used recently 2016-10-17T05:23:24 < dongs> just ST part instead of some chink richtek stuff 2016-10-17T05:25:02 < dongs> the LCD is just parallel 24bit rgb with noraml clock/sync signals. 2016-10-17T05:25:07 < dongs> controller is on F7. 2016-10-17T05:25:41 < dongs> you can buy raw 24bit ones from buydisplay 2016-10-17T05:25:53 < dongs> they come with ~40pin FPC 2016-10-17T05:28:41 < dongs> link to the product page you fucking faggot 2016-10-17T05:28:46 < dongs> thats just touch overlay 2016-10-17T05:28:53 < dongs> captouch you DO want a controller 2016-10-17T05:29:00 < dongs> you dont wanna have ~60 wires to deal with 2016-10-17T05:29:02 < dongs> and a capsense IC 2016-10-17T05:30:15 < dongs> what dude/ thats a 24bit lcd and I2C/whatever touch controller 2016-10-17T05:30:25 < dongs> no 2016-10-17T05:30:40 < dongs> Interface: RGB 2016-10-17T05:30:58 < dongs> 24+pixclk+vsync+hsync+de 2016-10-17T05:31:00 < dongs> yes 2016-10-17T05:32:45 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-17T05:32:52 -!- zz_ka6sox is now known as ka6sox 2016-10-17T05:38:27 < dongs> enjoy routing 24bits of aids 2016-10-17T05:38:32 < dongs> if yourte lucky, it wont be swapped every bit 2016-10-17T05:41:52 < dongs> looks like trump is packeting imgur again 2016-10-17T05:42:56 < hesperaux> make america great again 2016-10-17T05:43:18 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/BKCUvCK.png this is what happens when LCD controller designing assholes don't think about who is gonna route it 2016-10-17T05:44:14 < hesperaux> dongs, what's the problem here? 2016-10-17T05:44:28 < dongs> hesperaux: just every R/G/B thing swapped around 2016-10-17T05:44:45 < dongs> lorf 2016-10-17T05:44:46 < hesperaux> oh, lol 2016-10-17T05:44:59 < hesperaux> I see it now 2016-10-17T05:45:18 < dongs> if it did it would be worse 2016-10-17T05:45:59 < dongs> and then resistive touch bits give a final fuck you at the end 2016-10-17T05:46:00 < stvn> cuck tales 2016-10-17T05:46:09 < dongs> those last 4 pins in top right 2016-10-17T05:47:20 < hesperaux> dongs, it's simple, just add more pcb layers 2016-10-17T05:47:28 < hesperaux> just have tons of layers 2016-10-17T05:47:31 < dongs> thats 2L because I'm the fucking boss 2016-10-17T05:47:35 < hesperaux> haha 2016-10-17T05:47:48 < hesperaux> props to you 2016-10-17T05:49:11 < dongs> R2COM: why does allegro pcb layout suck so fucking bad 2016-10-17T05:49:20 < dongs> i tried to like get via properties 2016-10-17T05:49:26 < dongs> none of hte obvious things workw 2016-10-17T05:49:30 < dongs> like, double click should bring something up 2016-10-17T05:49:33 < dongs> but NO 2016-10-17T05:49:35 < dongs> fucking nothing 2016-10-17T05:50:32 < dongs> do you actually use it for anything? 2016-10-17T05:50:37 < dongs> since its such pro soft 2016-10-17T05:50:46 < stvn> a cup of rage 2016-10-17T05:50:46 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/U87xEtg 2016-10-17T05:50:46 < dongs> 16.1.12 or wahtever 2016-10-17T05:50:47 < dongs> sorry. 2016-10-17T05:50:48 < dongs> mistype 2016-10-17T05:51:01 < dongs> yes slow as FUCK 2016-10-17T05:51:05 < dongs> < dongs> looks like trump is packeting imgur again 2016-10-17T05:51:13 < dongs> i was trying to uipload that RGB layout 2016-10-17T05:51:16 < dongs> for liek 5 minutes 2016-10-17T05:51:45 < hesperaux> dongs, allegro is like vi 2016-10-17T05:51:51 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/e84a110473144239b668a70c9073d588?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=ac0ceff194153c33348c6d3405c2d379 2016-10-17T05:51:59 < hesperaux> luckily, in my job, I don't have to use it very much :D 2016-10-17T05:52:42 < dongs> upgrdman: link something funny for a change 2016-10-17T05:52:53 < upgrdman> :( 2016-10-17T05:53:01 < dongs> hesperaux: i actually use vi 2016-10-17T05:53:07 < hesperaux> upgrdman, I exhaled sharply out of my nose to that 2016-10-17T05:53:07 < dongs> so thats a shitty comparison 2016-10-17T05:53:16 < dongs> each fucking time i startup allegro to do something 2016-10-17T05:53:17 < hesperaux> dongs, just cuz you use it does not mean it is well designed 2016-10-17T05:53:18 < dongs> it pisses me off 2016-10-17T05:53:29 < hesperaux> I also use vi 2016-10-17T05:53:33 < hesperaux> but only minimally 2016-10-17T05:53:53 < upgrdman> i remember the struggle of trying to figure out how to exit vi 2016-10-17T05:54:09 < hesperaux> lol 2016-10-17T05:54:32 < stvn> ^ 2016-10-17T05:54:34 < dongs> donno already closed it too late 2016-10-17T05:54:35 < upgrdman> fucking git made it the default editor for some reason a while ago 2016-10-17T05:54:41 < dongs> this was yesterday when i was asking you shit 2016-10-17T05:54:51 < Thorn> back2basics: if a pin has diameter 0.51mm, what diameter should I use for the hole? 2016-10-17T05:55:01 < dongs> Thorn: i donno, 0.6? 2016-10-17T05:55:16 < dongs> < dongs> R2COM: how do I delete a bunch of useless mechanical layers in allegro layout 2016-10-17T05:55:20 < dongs> it was related to that 2016-10-17T05:55:26 < dongs> all those god damn FILM / shit layers 2016-10-17T05:55:56 < stvn> o hintto 2016-10-17T05:55:56 < stvn> https://i.sli.mg/up3jlR.jpg 2016-10-17T05:56:35 < dongs> hey llook a 40 years old eevblogger is still dumpster diving https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8blgmbXfDEc 2016-10-17T05:56:39 < dongs> TRIGGER WARNING: DAVE 2016-10-17T05:56:48 < stvn> hahahha 2016-10-17T05:56:51 < stvn> what a dirty jew 2016-10-17T05:57:02 < dongs> stvn, do you talk like this 2016-10-17T05:57:07 < stvn> sometimes 2016-10-17T05:57:19 < dongs> R2COM: i didnt evne have audio on, i knew better 2016-10-17T05:57:37 < hesperaux> hmm 2016-10-17T05:58:01 < hesperaux> do you guys not like the dave? 2016-10-17T05:58:13 < hesperaux> eww that's a gross screen 2016-10-17T05:58:17 < hesperaux> it has gross on it 2016-10-17T05:58:20 < stvn> dongs, i don't have a voice like dave, i think you'll find 99.5% of australian adult men actually went through puberty 2016-10-17T05:59:06 < hesperaux> my voice is like dave's 2016-10-17T05:59:10 < hesperaux> of course, my name is dave 2016-10-17T05:59:17 < hesperaux> david davis davidson 2016-10-17T05:59:36 < stvn> my friend in AU did a voiceover for dave - https://vid.me/wDwO 2016-10-17T06:00:44 < upgrdman> lol 2016-10-17T06:01:05 < stvn> yeah except senpai 2016-10-17T06:01:34 < upgrdman> senpai == dongie? 2016-10-17T06:01:34 < stvn> nah i know some people who escaped AU 2016-10-17T06:01:39 < stvn> ahhaha 2016-10-17T06:04:43 < stvn> already answered lol 2016-10-17T06:06:31 < stvn> okay 2016-10-17T06:08:24 < Thorn> dongs: 1 oz copper is 0.035mm thick, so 0.6 - 2*0.035 = 0.53mm; 0.53mm ± 0.08mm tolerance = 0.45mm worst case vs. 0.51mm pin 2016-10-17T06:08:47 < Thorn> may not fit 2016-10-17T06:11:02 < dongs> are you talking about PTH thickness? 2016-10-17T06:11:11 < Thorn> yes 2016-10-17T06:11:13 < dongs> thats generally half of top copper thickness 2016-10-17T06:12:37 < Thorn> then the question is, is the 1 oz figure before or after plating. I think it's before 2016-10-17T06:12:54 < Thorn> so 1 oz copper + 1 oz plated 2016-10-17T06:12:55 < Thorn> iirc 2016-10-17T06:14:04 < Thorn> via walls have no copper before plating so they get 1oz 2016-10-17T06:14:11 < Thorn> again iirc 2016-10-17T06:15:05 < Thorn> via and pth 2016-10-17T06:17:20 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T06:18:15 < aandrew> why the hell does push'n'shove always want to shove the wrong track 2016-10-17T06:18:25 < aandrew> I've got 4 tracks on the left and one on the right with LOTS of room to move 2016-10-17T06:18:31 < aandrew> what's it do? "let's shove the 4 on the left! 2016-10-17T06:19:05 < Thorn> the mind reading feature is only enabled if you have the Pro license 2016-10-17T06:19:19 < dongs> aandrew: yeah man or how about shove not even working 2016-10-17T06:19:27 < dongs> you try to push a track and it does fuckall 2016-10-17T06:19:37 < dongs> so you gotta move entire 8+bits bus one by one 2016-10-17T06:19:50 < aandrew> yep 2016-10-17T06:19:58 < aandrew> it's a great feature but it's a little retarded 2016-10-17T06:20:10 < dongs> probly designed by dave jones 2016-10-17T06:23:06 < stvn> whats he got his dirty mits on now? 2016-10-17T06:23:32 < stvn> first he burned down the altium office in australia 2016-10-17T06:33:01 < stvn> D602 is today's dirty dog 2016-10-17T06:34:30 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-17T06:34:58 < dongs> that feeling when you load dicknplace for a project and realize one of the parts is missing 2016-10-17T06:36:22 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-17T06:36:51 < stvn> yah well a shorted chinese diode aint makin my current sink sink mate 2016-10-17T06:52:38 < dongs> start eevblog 2.0, with actual EE 2016-10-17T06:53:27 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T06:53:54 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/BBYO4IA.jpg 2016-10-17T06:57:33 < aandrew> GOJITUNE INSTALL NAO!! 2016-10-17T07:08:54 < dongs> what the fuck is a standard way to dick with OBD2 over USB or something 2016-10-17T07:09:09 < dongs> worst case I guess i can just hookup a stm32 to the socket but 2016-10-17T07:09:22 < dongs> what do those cheap LM327 trashes use on bangood 2016-10-17T07:11:24 < dongs> wat 2016-10-17T07:11:47 < dongs> so i am better off buying a socket only 2016-10-17T07:14:37 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/autism/32348458074.html wonder if this has STM32 2016-10-17T07:14:38 < dongs> since LCD 2016-10-17T07:15:16 < dongs> probably stolen uCOS/emWin running on that 2016-10-17T07:16:25 < dongs> i need to see if power seats in my shit are canbus 2016-10-17T07:16:48 < dongs> R2COM: that lcd picture i pasted had them 2016-10-17T07:16:59 < dongs> < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/BKCUvCK.png 2016-10-17T07:17:22 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-17T07:17:25 < dongs> 0804 network 2016-10-17T07:18:18 < dongs> two advantages of STM32: 1) You can actually buy it 2) resistor network costs liek $10/reel of 10k 2016-10-17T07:18:27 < dongs> vs SAM4 2016-10-17T07:18:44 < dongs> you already have 28 signals to route 2016-10-17T07:18:54 < dongs> flow-through parallel network is the least of your worries 2016-10-17T07:20:24 < dongs> who suggested such autism 2016-10-17T07:25:34 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-17T07:33:45 < dongs> those collors are awesome 2016-10-17T07:33:52 < dongs> i saw the colors in Allegro 2016-10-17T07:33:54 < dongs> they're fucking gross 2016-10-17T07:34:04 < dongs> also I do agree i need to start using pastel stuff more 2016-10-17T07:34:14 < dongs> they're just annoyin cuz they're not in standard hex color picker in altidumb 2016-10-17T07:34:18 < dongs> i have to scroll through the list one 2016-10-17T07:44:52 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-17T07:45:16 -!- hesperaux [~hesperaux@c-50-151-75-108.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-17T07:47:40 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-17T07:48:52 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T07:49:36 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T07:52:05 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-17T07:52:09 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-17T07:55:28 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-17T07:56:17 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T08:08:43 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T08:24:45 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7IEfGTyT3Y 2016-10-17T08:27:10 < dongs> jadew: nice 2016-10-17T08:31:14 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0aea5c.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T08:33:49 < jadew> amazing technology for that time 2016-10-17T08:34:02 < jadew> also, note how they're measuring speed with an oscilloscope 2016-10-17T08:34:13 < dongs> 100000fps cameras in 1950 2016-10-17T08:34:13 < dongs> nice 2016-10-17T08:34:16 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-17T08:34:36 < jadew> and they had lots of them, probably in order to get much higher FPS 2016-10-17T08:40:30 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@bas2-toronto26-2925094753.dsl.bell.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T08:42:12 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-17T08:52:19 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-121-71.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-17T08:57:27 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-121-71.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T09:12:10 < LeelooMinai> Ok, that was a fail... spent half a day debugging only to discover that a line was optimized out and the breakpoint on it could never occur... 2016-10-17T09:18:10 < Thorn> how do I not fry my debugger if I reuse swdio pins as outputs? 2016-10-17T09:18:36 < Thorn> swdio and swdclk 2016-10-17T09:19:27 < dongs> just do and dont care 2016-10-17T09:20:40 < Thorn> what if the target is left running with debugger connected 2016-10-17T09:21:00 < Thorn> conflict 2016-10-17T09:21:52 < Thorn> maybe connect debugger through 100 Ohm or something 2016-10-17T09:22:34 < dongs> dont realyl thikn it matters 2016-10-17T09:25:22 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T09:27:49 < emeb_mac> Thorn: I did a board that used the swdio/swclk for inputs 2016-10-17T09:27:59 < emeb_mac> put some 1k resistors on them 2016-10-17T09:28:06 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T09:28:39 < emeb_mac> it's a real PITA though - you need to do some extra crap with reset to ensure that the part gets properly booted to program. 2016-10-17T09:29:30 < Thorn> you need to hold the target in reset while the debugger is connecting, correct? 2016-10-17T09:29:43 < dongs> well 2016-10-17T09:29:45 < emeb_mac> yes 2016-10-17T09:29:46 < dongs> if you have a real debugger 2016-10-17T09:29:47 < dongs> like jlink 2016-10-17T09:29:53 < dongs> you can configure it to reset-while-connect 2016-10-17T09:30:05 < dongs> i'm sure hobby trash like "openocd" might be able to do it after miles of ocmmand line options 2016-10-17T09:30:07 < emeb_mac> st-link can do it if you bring the full 6-pin cable over 2016-10-17T09:30:22 < emeb_mac> and tweak the reset settings in openocd 2016-10-17T09:30:55 < Thorn> ok so I need to remember to break out reset 2016-10-17T09:31:05 < emeb_mac> not really a command-line option. more like a tweak to the target script IIRC 2016-10-17T09:31:42 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T09:36:53 < Thorn> why reset and swd are always on the opposite sides of the package 2016-10-17T09:37:11 < dongs> they're not on ATMEL 2016-10-17T09:37:15 < dongs> maybe you better switch??? 2016-10-17T09:37:26 < dongs> if that bothers you so much 2016-10-17T09:39:24 < Thorn> if you were a hand grenade you'd explode while still in someone's backpack 80% of the time due to bad trigger design 2016-10-17T09:41:50 < LeelooMinai> dongs is at pretty late stages of chronic bigotry:) 2016-10-17T09:44:54 < PeterM> dongs is a finely tuned internet machine, if you can't handle dongs, you can't handle the internet 2016-10-17T09:45:23 < LeelooMinai> Well, seems like he cannot handle me in his safe space - put me on ignore:) 2016-10-17T09:45:54 < PeterM> tbh, if i didnt have a poer outage you'd still be on mine. 2016-10-17T09:46:27 < LeelooMinai> tbh, I have you in similar category as dongs, so don't worry:) 2016-10-17T09:48:33 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-17T09:48:41 < dongs> PeterM: thanks for reminding, just /save'd to make sure AutismLoo stays permanently offline 2016-10-17T09:49:17 < PeterM> ya, same 2016-10-17T09:49:43 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-17T09:50:15 < LeelooMinai> dongs is quite a Drama Queen too, as it's pretty clear from the above. He cannot just put people on ingore, he has to keep telling everyone about it - I think he somehow thinks that makes him right/smarter/who knows what - but it's pretty sad:) 2016-10-17T09:50:58 < LeelooMinai> But it follows the pattern - all the things he accuses people of, he is. 2016-10-17T09:51:12 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T09:57:44 -!- _franck__ [527f6536@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.127.101.54] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T10:02:12 -!- Flea86 [~WeChat@c114-76-82-70.thoms3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T10:02:17 -!- Flea86 [~WeChat@c114-76-82-70.thoms3.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left ##stm32 [] 2016-10-17T10:05:18 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-17T10:08:14 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T10:09:22 -!- Rajko [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-246.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T10:09:26 < Rajko> hi 2016-10-17T10:15:36 < upgrdman> hi 2016-10-17T10:29:23 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.18] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T10:32:09 < Rajko> is there any pure bitbang library available for sdcard io (not fatfs, just raw block reading) 2016-10-17T10:32:15 < Rajko> without using hardware features OR spi mode 2016-10-17T10:32:54 < jpa-> why would you do that? 2016-10-17T10:33:14 < jpa-> but it is simple enough to write bitbang spi, then just slap the usual spi sd card library on top of it 2016-10-17T10:33:23 < Rajko> no spi 2016-10-17T10:33:29 < Rajko> im trying to interface with eMMC which im not sure has SPI mode 2016-10-17T10:33:38 < jpa-> so sdio mode? 2016-10-17T10:33:47 < jpa-> should still be easy enough to bitbang 2016-10-17T10:33:50 < Rajko> sdcard mode using DAT0 and CMD/CLK only 2016-10-17T10:34:23 < jpa-> yeah, so 1-bit sdio 2016-10-17T10:34:40 < jpa-> just look up the spec and write it, shouldn't be more than 50 lines of code 2016-10-17T10:46:39 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.2 - http://znc.in] 2016-10-17T10:50:16 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T10:50:26 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-17T10:58:49 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@204.77.3.219] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T10:58:49 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@204.77.3.219] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-17T10:58:49 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T11:01:06 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T11:09:01 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:74b0:324b:3274:74e6] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-17T11:20:47 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-17T11:26:30 < dongs> why didnt you hook the shit up to SDIO controller on STM? 2016-10-17T11:31:30 < Rajko> because its hardcoded to 3.3v 2016-10-17T11:31:35 < Rajko> and i need 1.8v VIO 2016-10-17T11:32:00 < Rajko> and im not even using a stm32, just an arm926ej-s 2016-10-17T11:32:04 < Rajko> my stm32 is all 3.3v 2016-10-17T11:32:20 < zyp> haha, wat 2016-10-17T11:33:05 < dongs> yeah wat 2016-10-17T11:33:31 < Rajko> the only board i had that can do 1.8v VIO is the superspeed explorer kit 2016-10-17T11:33:37 < dongs> i mean, txb0104 is nice and cheap 2016-10-17T11:33:43 < Rajko> so im using that 2016-10-17T11:33:58 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0aea5c.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-17T11:34:01 < Rajko> it has a hardware SPI controller but its hardcoded to 3.3v 2016-10-17T11:34:09 < Rajko> and all my stms only have 3.3v io 2016-10-17T11:34:29 < Rajko> 5v tolerant probably 2016-10-17T11:36:45 < dongs> so what are you going to be bitbanging sdio on 2016-10-17T11:36:49 < dongs> AMR927 or STM32? 2016-10-17T11:36:56 < Rajko> the arm 2016-10-17T11:37:08 < dongs> well, dongs. 2016-10-17T11:37:09 < Rajko> i dont know if 3.3v io would fry this eMMC 2016-10-17T11:37:27 < Rajko> it shouldnt, as most eMMC support either 3.3v or 1.8v VIO 2016-10-17T11:37:39 < Rajko> but meh, this arm is faster than the STM i have anyway 2016-10-17T11:37:42 < Rajko> 400MHz 2016-10-17T11:38:01 < Rajko> and has better USB support when i actually have to get the stuff off the eMMC 2016-10-17T11:38:23 < Rajko> this is why i asked for lib that uses only bitbang 2016-10-17T11:38:28 < Rajko> as then it's easily portable 2016-10-17T11:49:30 < jpa-> .. and will be crazy slow 2016-10-17T11:49:45 < jpa-> but you can just write the bitbang part to fatfs 2016-10-17T11:55:43 < dongs> troll around AVR forums i guess 2016-10-17T11:55:50 < dongs> they're the likely nutjobs who would bitbang SDIO 2016-10-17T12:05:33 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T12:17:38 -!- hornang_ is now known as hornang 2016-10-17T12:20:28 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-17T12:41:54 < Rajko> bah, doing it on the arm requires me to call C functions 2016-10-17T12:42:02 < Rajko> gonna be slow as hell 2016-10-17T12:44:14 < karlp> did I go away for a weekend and we got a new troll? 2016-10-17T13:06:25 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T13:07:39 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T13:09:22 < jpa-> karlp: seems so 2016-10-17T13:09:49 < jpa-> but i can't see how one would write to gpio on any platform without calling C functions.. there is no alternative to digitalWrite() 2016-10-17T13:22:37 < Rajko> asm write to mmio register immediately 2016-10-17T13:22:45 < Rajko> one or two instructions max 2016-10-17T13:27:37 -!- bugzc_ [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-17T13:30:54 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T13:31:57 < PaulFertser> I had to search the internet to realise digitalWrite is an arduino function, so jpa- must be familiar with the platform :) 2016-10-17T13:33:04 < jpa-> i'm familiar with trolling :) 2016-10-17T13:52:03 < Laurenceb_> lulz https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/787889195507417088 2016-10-17T13:52:34 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.144] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T13:52:45 < Laurenceb_> oh noes he will need a 3g modem 2016-10-17T13:55:02 < dongs> lul 2016-10-17T13:58:38 < Laurenceb_> evil CIA agents with telescopic tree shears attacking the landline 2016-10-17T14:01:06 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_vULnoDRfo 2016-10-17T14:01:15 < Laurenceb_> how Assange thinks of CIA 2016-10-17T14:05:01 < jadew> I don't understand anything anymore 2016-10-17T14:05:44 < jadew> before all this happened, I thought that Turkey and the US were allies 2016-10-17T14:06:02 < jadew> after that, it all stopped making any sense 2016-10-17T14:07:39 < dongs> i thought turkey was something you eat on thanksgiving as an american 2016-10-17T14:07:57 < Rajko> is this #trole 2016-10-17T14:08:20 < jadew> Rajko, you only now picked up on that? 2016-10-17T14:08:20 < dongs> no, the trolls are in ##stm32-without-jews 2016-10-17T14:08:27 < Rajko> what about the mexicans ? 2016-10-17T14:08:28 < dongs> this is the real deal 2016-10-17T14:08:31 < Rajko> we need a wall 2016-10-17T14:09:44 < Laurenceb_> spotted Turkey http://67.media.tumblr.com/9fdb7b86826c870c69c6214add3a15da/tumblr_o2a783A7YG1u0r0dgo1_1280.jpg 2016-10-17T14:09:45 < dongs> however what we don't need in here is more new trolls 2016-10-17T14:12:20 -!- kuldeep_ [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T14:15:56 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-17T14:18:39 < dongs> man, flash on ATSAM is so much faster than on STM32 2016-10-17T14:18:52 < dongs> say all you want but ATMEL > ST 4 lyfe 2016-10-17T14:19:03 < dongs> 512k flash on SAM3 = 6.7seconds 2016-10-17T14:19:15 < dongs> erase sectors = instant 2016-10-17T14:20:49 < jadew> I think they announced a MCU with 0 flash access latency 2016-10-17T14:20:58 < jadew> that was a year or more ago 2016-10-17T14:21:02 < dongs> atmel? 2016-10-17T14:21:05 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-17T14:24:35 < jadew> can't find the link anymore, but I bumped into that as I was searching for a deterministic MCU @ high MIPS 2016-10-17T14:28:08 < jadew> maybe I misunderstood the article, but that's what I took out of it 2016-10-17T14:28:23 < dongs> higher highs 2016-10-17T14:28:36 < dongs> anyway, wahtever itis , their flash is prety fast 2016-10-17T14:28:52 < dongs> 6.7sec for 512k (full) is pretty good. 2016-10-17T14:28:56 < jadew> all their peripherals are better too 2016-10-17T14:28:58 < dongs> i tihnk STM is almost double that 2016-10-17T14:28:59 < dongs> err no 2016-10-17T14:29:00 < jadew> give them a try 2016-10-17T14:29:04 < dongs> AVR adc is garbage 2016-10-17T14:29:09 < jadew> yeah, that's shit 2016-10-17T14:29:10 < dongs> their timers are shit 2016-10-17T14:29:20 < dongs> their spi/etc stuff is pretty boring 2016-10-17T14:29:30 < jadew> but the protocol stuff is well implemented 2016-10-17T14:29:35 < dongs> TWI is ok but like, you'd have to try hard ( = read ST) to fuck it up 2016-10-17T14:29:36 < jadew> and supports all modes properly 2016-10-17T14:29:50 < dongs> what modes? 2016-10-17T14:30:28 < jadew> for example they have synchronous UART 2016-10-17T14:30:33 < dongs> yeah so does ST 2016-10-17T14:30:43 < dongs> it even provides a clock 2016-10-17T14:30:45 < dongs> oh right I remember 2016-10-17T14:30:49 < dongs> you were doing some dickstartery thing 2016-10-17T14:30:52 < dongs> and bitching about ST uart 2016-10-17T14:30:54 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-17T14:30:56 < dongs> but your case was such edge shit 2016-10-17T14:31:03 < dongs> that nobody except you actualyl cared :p 2016-10-17T14:32:07 < jadew> I managed to fake whatever was missing there tho 2016-10-17T14:32:19 < jadew> with timers and external triggering 2016-10-17T14:32:39 < dongs> and lots of dongs 2016-10-17T14:35:53 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-17T14:41:06 < dongs> finally last revision of dumbthing(tm) is drawing 0.0044mA in stop mode. 2016-10-17T14:41:16 < dongs> now i can call it done 2016-10-17T14:41:22 < Rajko> no pullups ? 2016-10-17T14:41:38 < dongs> that was one of the issues, among others 2016-10-17T14:48:07 < jadew> did you guys know Amazon was into space stuff too? 2016-10-17T14:48:17 < jadew> https://www.blueorigin.com/ 2016-10-17T14:48:35 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/LICydNA.jpg 2016-10-17T14:48:41 < dongs> is that bezos trash? 2016-10-17T14:48:47 < jadew> apparently they have stuff that lands back too 2016-10-17T14:48:51 < dongs> right 2016-10-17T14:50:59 < jadew> I wonder how much a ticket is 2016-10-17T14:51:22 < dongs> on what 2016-10-17T14:51:26 < dongs> one way? 2016-10-17T14:51:28 < jadew> https://www.blueorigin.com/astronaut-experience 2016-10-17T14:51:29 < jadew> lol 2016-10-17T14:53:01 < jadew> oh, they don't put you in orbit 2016-10-17T14:53:28 < jadew> they're just throwing you into space and then waiting for you to fall back 2016-10-17T14:53:52 < dongs> yeah. 2016-10-17T14:54:12 < jadew> hardly the astronaut experience 2016-10-17T14:54:42 < dongs> just tie yourself to a baloon 2016-10-17T14:54:45 < dongs> for a similar experience 2016-10-17T14:55:14 < jadew> right, and when I'm done I just pop it? 2016-10-17T14:55:26 < dongs> it'll pop itself, just ask Laurenceb_ 2016-10-17T14:55:32 < BrainDamage> at lest they can cross the karman lin, unlike Laurenceb 2016-10-17T14:55:50 < dongs> laurnceb can only cross the troll line 2016-10-17T15:01:38 -!- mattbrej1a is now known as mattbrejza 2016-10-17T15:09:58 < Steffanx> +1 2016-10-17T15:14:32 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.80] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T15:15:40 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-17T15:18:20 < Fleck> PaulFertser: so, are you in that "arduino hater fun boy" clan too? 2016-10-17T15:20:23 < dongs> I'm in the "Ignored by Fleck" clan 2016-10-17T15:27:26 < PaulFertser> Fleck: I just don't care about arduino, have never tried using one. I used to program atmega at work but I do not see any sense in using those expensive avr chips nowadays. 2016-10-17T15:28:32 < c10ud^> question for C pros: how to expand #define blah(x) to correctly make blah(meh) become whatever[meh];? whatever[##x] isn't good 2016-10-17T15:29:18 < PaulFertser> Fleck: also, there's plenty of people around arduino that do not want to really learn anything but are eager to cut-n-paste. That makes them no better than php monkeys and other underqualified "developers" sharing this life attitude. 2016-10-17T15:30:06 < dongs> fuck me paypal keeps fucking around wiht their interface and making it GAY AS FUCK 2016-10-17T15:30:24 < dongs> its becoming a fucking chore just to fucking gsend money 2016-10-17T15:30:25 < dongs> like 10 c licks 2016-10-17T15:30:28 < dongs> into HUGE FUICKING ICONS 2016-10-17T15:31:04 < Fleck> and what's in it for you if THEY don't want to learn anything? I don't get it? 2016-10-17T15:32:30 < BrainDamage> it created a culture around it which pollutes search results for legit stuff with garbage 2016-10-17T15:32:46 < Fleck> srsly? Is that it? :P 2016-10-17T15:32:58 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-17T15:33:28 < BrainDamage> well, the culture itself reinforces that stupid copypaste, so it makes the world a bit worse 2016-10-17T15:33:50 < BrainDamage> pretty much the same argument as religion & violence 2016-10-17T15:33:50 < c10ud^> the answer was whatever[##x##] 2016-10-17T15:33:54 < c10ud^> thanks, Obama 2016-10-17T15:34:10 < Fleck> never heard of such non-sense... 2016-10-17T15:34:38 < PaulFertser> Fleck: I just do not care about the platform and its users, I have no feelings about it. 2016-10-17T15:35:33 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: regarding polluting search results, I always remember ubuntu-forums :) 2016-10-17T15:38:43 < Fleck> PaulFertser: I see... "monkeys", you call that no feelings? :p 2016-10-17T15:39:21 < PaulFertser> Fleck: yes, I judge their professional qualities, but I do not have any emotions regarding it. 2016-10-17T15:40:34 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/TRSPZz4.jpg nice 2016-10-17T15:40:51 < dongs> i can even see how 1second interrupts are changing power consumption 2016-10-17T15:42:19 < Fleck> even so, don't see a reason to call them monkeys if they don't tink as you do and like php/arduino :D 2016-10-17T15:44:52 < jadew> that's true, monkeys wouldn't brag about it 2016-10-17T15:45:23 -!- ac|work [~ardu@178.124.147.109] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-17T15:45:50 < jadew> what I hated the most about Arduino was that I was using AVRs and when I mentioned that people assumed arduino 2016-10-17T15:46:15 < PaulFertser> Fleck: I think their behaviour can be accurately enough and concisely desribed with this word. It's not that I do not like monkeys but I would prefer to not work with one. Since I'm not forced to dig any arduino code or otherwise have anything to do with them, I am just calm about it. 2016-10-17T15:47:34 < jadew> and yes, they poluted everything 2016-10-17T15:48:19 < jadew> and it's not like they brought any value with them, just the garbage 2016-10-17T15:48:29 < Fleck> not true! 2016-10-17T15:50:19 < jadew> my life hasn't imporved as a result of arduino 2016-10-17T15:51:03 < jadew> in fact, I have to navigate throught the shit it produced, overprived crap and shit search results 2016-10-17T15:51:45 < Fleck> ^^ the real reason for "arduino hater boys" clan :p 2016-10-17T15:52:00 < jadew> is it not reason enough? 2016-10-17T15:52:54 < Fleck> let we all bow down before jadew and think hardly how to improve "center of the universe"'s life, cause arduino faild! 2016-10-17T15:53:09 -!- ac|work [~ardu@178.124.147.109] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T15:53:11 < Fleck> *failed 2016-10-17T15:53:34 < BrainDamage> having poor quality material being constantly shoved in your face is a pretty common reason for dislike, it's nothing new, it happens with commercial products, celebrities, ideas, etc 2016-10-17T15:54:17 -!- damme [~damme@h-203-16.a216.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T15:55:09 < BrainDamage> and you're doing the same towards them, you're having the same knee jerk reaction towards non stm32-content 2016-10-17T15:55:24 -!- nmnl [~carabia@unaffiliated/nmnl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T15:55:39 < BrainDamage> so you're a bit hypocritical in this 2016-10-17T15:56:10 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T15:56:18 < jadew> electronics was a much nicer place before arduino happened, that's for sure 2016-10-17T15:56:28 < jadew> *thing 2016-10-17T15:57:14 < jadew> it was like a very expensive club 2016-10-17T15:57:33 < jadew> once you let all the bozos in, it loses something 2016-10-17T15:58:30 < karlp> fuck off, it was tedious and expensive and slow 2016-10-17T15:58:59 < jadew> electronics? 2016-10-17T16:02:06 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-17T16:02:45 < kakimir> yes 2016-10-17T16:03:25 < jadew> it wasn't expensive and arduino had nothing to do with prices, if anything it raised them 2016-10-17T16:04:07 < jadew> let's not forget that not everything is AVR + a couple of shitty sensors and prices went down across the entire board 2016-10-17T16:04:37 < jadew> and that was the trend before arduinos plagued the market 2016-10-17T16:05:13 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T16:05:41 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-17T16:06:13 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-17T16:06:23 < Fleck> disagree 2016-10-17T16:11:23 < jadew> anyway, on a different note, looks like my voltage reference is accurate within 0.15 ppm after a couple of months of drawer time 2016-10-17T16:14:55 < jadew> hmm, the datasheet says 0.2 typical so I guess it's not that impressive 2016-10-17T16:20:19 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-17T16:20:55 -!- kc2uez [~SKA0ut@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T16:20:56 -!- oz4ga [~irc@static-74-42-252-20.br1.glvv.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T16:25:24 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T16:27:06 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T16:31:57 -!- damme [~damme@h-203-16.a216.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-17T16:37:33 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T16:43:14 -!- ka6sox is now known as zz_ka6sox 2016-10-17T16:48:18 < jadew> Steffanx, did you watch Westworld? 2016-10-17T16:51:29 < karlp> getting back to the truly important topics... 2016-10-17T16:51:45 < Fleck> +1 karlp 2016-10-17T16:51:56 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-17T16:53:17 < Steffanx> Yes i did jadew. 2016-10-17T16:53:27 < Steffanx> Im not sure yet. 2016-10-17T16:54:01 < Steffanx> Expected more based on the imdb score 2016-10-17T16:54:07 < jadew> well, episode 3 is out 2016-10-17T16:54:14 < Steffanx> Love you too karlp. 2016-10-17T16:54:24 < jadew> I didn't check imdb before watching it 2016-10-17T16:54:32 < Steffanx> Ok. Will see this evening 2016-10-17T16:54:33 < jadew> it was a lucky find 2016-10-17T16:58:27 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNH0bmYT7os 2016-10-17T16:58:32 < ReadErr> Laurenceb: 2016-10-17T17:00:26 < karlp> don't get me wrong, I'm watching westworld too :) 2016-10-17T17:04:10 < karlp> http://www.edn-europe.com/news/siemens-gateway-industrial-iot-launch-point-distribution?news_id=87246 --> arduino shields on all the things! 2016-10-17T17:05:14 < Steffanx> Yeah arduino talk is better then tv talk ;) 2016-10-17T17:05:21 < Steffanx> Than? 2016-10-17T17:05:26 < jadew> than 2016-10-17T17:05:27 < karlp> +than 2016-10-17T17:05:40 < jadew> when one of the engineers who worked on that will go mental, they'll get into the marketing department and kill them all 2016-10-17T17:11:00 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T17:11:31 < syke> arduino boards with arm7 linux daughterboard, running already outdated tcp/ip pile and fucked up strumg processing routines? 2016-10-17T17:11:46 < syke> s/strumg/string/ 2016-10-17T17:12:03 < karlp> syke: which one are you talking about? 2016-10-17T17:12:36 < karlp> that siemens one is running intel's "we want to be in in this game too" chip. 2016-10-17T17:13:01 < syke> oh noes 2016-10-17T17:14:44 < jadew> can you do that without a wire bond machine? 2016-10-17T17:16:01 < BrainDamage> no, the bonding wires are typically ultrasonic welded by friction, good luck doingthat by hand 2016-10-17T17:16:34 < jadew> they do that so they don't melt the other bonds? 2016-10-17T17:17:12 < BrainDamage> yes, but not only, the bonding wires are typically Al or gold 2016-10-17T17:17:27 < BrainDamage> good luck soldering them 2016-10-17T17:19:08 < BrainDamage> it's actually what limits max temp on most chips 2016-10-17T17:19:44 < BrainDamage> the bonding wires will dig a pit on the connection pad and the shit will stop working 2016-10-17T17:20:26 < jadew> very interesting 2016-10-17T17:21:08 < jadew> how come you know so much about this? 2016-10-17T17:22:05 < karlp> eh, any othe rvideo source for that? chromium and firefox are both full of fail with these modern web video craps 2016-10-17T17:22:34 < BrainDamage> i've studied ic manifacturing in univ and worked with bare dies for my bachelor thesis 2016-10-17T17:22:43 * karlp shrugs. I just ge ta flash of something, then "this media could not be played" 2016-10-17T17:23:09 < jadew> nice 2016-10-17T17:23:11 < BrainDamage> karlp: mpv url 2016-10-17T17:25:43 < jadew> I can't get the URL to the gif 2016-10-17T17:25:53 < jadew> it's using some embeded player 2016-10-17T17:26:15 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T17:26:33 < BrainDamage> you don't have to, you can throw englishman's link, mpv will relay to youtube-dl which will do all the parsing and redirect navigation and extract the real url 2016-10-17T17:27:37 < karlp> yeah, I got the url to the mp4 but it fails to load. 2016-10-17T17:29:30 < karlp> why the fuck was that a fucking video 2016-10-17T17:32:45 < Rob235> hello 2016-10-17T17:33:06 -!- kuldeep_ [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-17T17:33:31 -!- kuldeep_ [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T17:33:35 < BenderTheMan> Can someone tell me why these SPI routines wouldn't work on STM32F030R8 -> http://pastebin.com/J1G01fHu 2016-10-17T17:35:31 < Rob235> what does it work on 2016-10-17T17:36:02 -!- kuldeep_ [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-17T17:36:48 -!- kuldeep_ [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T17:38:19 < BenderTheMan> I can't find the SPI routine that works on my chip... I'm missing something but not sure what :\ 2016-10-17T17:38:35 < BenderTheMan> All examples are for HAL and I'm using stdperiph 2016-10-17T17:38:54 -!- kuldeep_ [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2016-10-17T17:39:04 < BenderTheMan> Also I just found that my app hangs in this section SPI_BiDirectionalLineConfig(SPI2, SPI_Direction_Rx); ... 2016-10-17T17:40:17 -!- kuldeep_ [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T17:41:34 -!- kuldeep_ [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2016-10-17T17:46:16 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T17:47:54 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-17T17:57:15 < aandrew> heh 2016-10-17T17:57:22 < aandrew> just sent off a $13k invoice for two board layouts 2016-10-17T17:58:05 < BenderTheMan> In bidirectional SPI mode for F0, what do I have to set to receive data? 2016-10-17T17:58:10 < jadew> aandrew, nice 2016-10-17T17:58:13 < BenderTheMan> Sending seems to work, but reading it back doesn't... 2016-10-17T17:58:37 < aandrew> that one layout was a real bear but in hindsight it looks trivial 2016-10-17T17:59:18 < aandrew> http://gerblook.org/pcb/SLdCg7XnE7UvM6oyxnw7kG 2016-10-17T18:00:35 < aandrew> CAD it's for a canadian company 2016-10-17T18:00:47 < aandrew> I also charged them like 8k more ofr the schematic entry 2016-10-17T18:01:04 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T18:01:21 < BenderTheMan> aandrew: That looks nice! :) 2016-10-17T18:01:39 < aandrew> thanks :-) 2016-10-17T18:02:32 < aandrew> I really liek that board, it even looks awesome IRL: http://imgur.com/oiOjozs 2016-10-17T18:02:37 < aandrew> that's an earlier rev 2016-10-17T18:03:03 < aandrew> when we moved from STM32F4 to STM32F7 I had to pretty much re-layout the entire top half 2016-10-17T18:03:26 < aandrew> STM32F4 has awesome pin compatibility with F2/F0 but some serious issues with the F7 2016-10-17T18:06:41 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-17T18:08:12 < Rob235> aandrew: looks cool, what is it :) 2016-10-17T18:08:36 < aandrew> it's a bunch of things 2016-10-17T18:08:40 < aandrew> I call it the kitchen sink board 2016-10-17T18:08:52 < Thorn> holy crap I'd probably get like $1K for that board around here 2016-10-17T18:09:46 < jadew> I never earned any money from electronics, so I have no clue what things are worth 2016-10-17T18:10:13 < Rickta59> electronics are worth nothing until you add marketing :) 2016-10-17T18:10:15 < aandrew> PWM control of 6 DC motors (current feedback too), 4x digital microphone input for location and then creating a synthetic directional mic, BLE interface for beacon tracking and comms, also drives about 70 SK6812 LEDs for a "face" 2016-10-17T18:10:19 < Thorn> schematics + layout + prototype construction (not incl cost of pcb/parts) 2016-10-17T18:10:30 < aandrew> Thorn: you'd get $1k for a layout that takes about 3 weeks? 2016-10-17T18:10:40 < BenderTheMan> Can someone point me to the SPI send/receive example for STM32F030R8? 2016-10-17T18:10:49 < Thorn> quite possible 2016-10-17T18:11:09 < BenderTheMan> On scope I see data being transmitter and also I've shorted MISO and MOSI pins to try to read the same thing I'm sending... 2016-10-17T18:11:28 < BenderTheMan> So MISO, MOSI and SCK lines are fine. But reading the data from the SPI doesn't seem to work 2016-10-17T18:11:31 < emeb> aandrew: interesting that you had pinout issues moving from F4->F7 2016-10-17T18:11:57 < aandrew> Thorn: that's $8.33/hr. 2016-10-17T18:11:58 < emeb> I had an F427 board done w/ 100pin part. Moved to F7 with only a few changes to the bypassing. 2016-10-17T18:12:47 < aandrew> emeb: were you using peripherals? a number of timer pin functions moved and the F4 didn't have the DFSDM peripheral which I elected to use (which caused a bunch of other pin assignments to ripple around) 2016-10-17T18:13:22 < emeb> aandrew: I was using SPI, Ethernet, I2C, USARTs. 2016-10-17T18:13:23 < Thorn> BenderTheMan: you should start reading manuals and SPL/HAL help rather than looking for code to copypaste like adruino monkeys do 2016-10-17T18:13:33 < emeb> aandrew: didn't use a lot of timer I/O though. 2016-10-17T18:14:37 < aandrew> agree with Thorn on that. BenderTheMan do you have a code fragment shwing what you did to init the part and what you're doing drive the SPI? 2016-10-17T18:15:42 < aandrew> ah, yeah I'm using ALL the timers, I think 3 out of the 6 or so UARTs, USB, I2S, SPI, I2C, DFSDM and kept pins for CAN and a few of hte uncommitted UARTs open (on those two-pin headers near the top) 2016-10-17T18:15:55 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T18:16:02 < aandrew> there is also a fair amount of steering going on because most of those connectors at the top can be routed either to the STM32F7 or the BLE module 2016-10-17T18:16:11 < aandrew> (they don't know yet which they want to drive the signals with) 2016-10-17T18:20:02 < BenderTheMan> Here is my SPI2 setup and send_receive function http://pastebin.com/PVrkHZpi 2016-10-17T18:20:36 < BenderTheMan> I have no clue where to look for help about bidirectional send/receive... I'm using stdperiph and examples are scarce 2016-10-17T18:22:39 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-17T18:23:33 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Lt_Lemming 2016-10-17T18:24:21 < Rickta59> what is the spi device you are talking to on the other end BenderTheMan ? 2016-10-17T18:25:00 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-17T18:25:17 < BenderTheMan> W5500 Ethernet contoller 2016-10-17T18:25:32 < Rickta59> you seem to send one byte and then expect more than one byte back .. 2016-10-17T18:25:33 < BenderTheMan> But I'm shorting MISO and MOSI right now, so I should be able to read what I'm sending... theoretically at least 2016-10-17T18:25:52 < Rickta59> i haven't looked at the w5500 device but typically you have to keep sending data to receive data 2016-10-17T18:27:41 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Lt_Lemming 2016-10-17T18:27:41 < BenderTheMan> That's how SPI works right... Master has to provide some dummy data so the slave has clock and then read the MISO 2016-10-17T18:27:55 < Rickta59> yeah is that happening? I don't see it in the code 2016-10-17T18:29:17 < Ecco> Hey 2016-10-17T18:29:28 < Ecco> Order-of-magnitude question : what is the resistance of a trace ? 2016-10-17T18:29:37 < Ecco> I know it depends, but in terms of order of magnitude 2016-10-17T18:29:45 < BenderTheMan> Ecco: Ohms 2016-10-17T18:29:45 < Ecco> say a 0.3mm copper trace 2016-10-17T18:29:47 < Ecco> ok 2016-10-17T18:30:12 < BenderTheMan> You can calucate it if you know the exact trace length, width and material you are using 2016-10-17T18:30:21 < aandrew> Ecco: there are many, many trace resistance calculators online 2016-10-17T18:30:23 < zyp> Ecco, impossible to say without knowing width, length and layer thickness 2016-10-17T18:30:34 < aandrew> Ecco: depends on length of trace and thickness of trace in addition to width 2016-10-17T18:31:18 < Ecco> I see 2016-10-17T18:31:25 < Ecco> I just measured one with a meter 2016-10-17T18:31:32 < Ecco> touching probes gives 0.1ohm 2016-10-17T18:31:35 < Ecco> 0.2 sorry 2016-10-17T18:31:39 < Ecco> and through trace 0.3 2016-10-17T18:31:48 < Ecco> so yeah, it's probably tenth of ohms 2016-10-17T18:31:50 < aandrew> like we said, "it depends" 2016-10-17T18:31:55 < Ecco> interesting though, thanks 2016-10-17T18:32:12 < Ecco> the reason I'm asking : I'm trying to figure out a way to have a good approximation of the current flowing through a battery 2016-10-17T18:32:22 < Ecco> I thought I could use a resistor and measure the voltage across it 2016-10-17T18:32:26 < BenderTheMan> Ecco: With that small resistances, your multimiter probes also act as a resitor in series with the one you are measuring 2016-10-17T18:32:45 < Ecco> BenderTheMan: Which is why I measured the probes by themselves :) 2016-10-17T18:33:13 < BenderTheMan> aandrew: Would you recommend using stdperiph or HAL? Which one is better? 2016-10-17T18:33:18 < aandrew> BenderTheMan: HAL 2016-10-17T18:33:29 < aandrew> stdperiph is old and not recommended for new code 2016-10-17T18:33:32 < aandrew> HAL is what they've moved to 2016-10-17T18:33:36 * BenderTheMan sad :( 2016-10-17T18:33:37 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-17T18:33:51 < BenderTheMan> I have a project written in stdperiph... now I have to convert it to HAL :\ 2016-10-17T18:34:16 < aandrew> yeah, I just did a short contract on stdperiph. it's hell 2016-10-17T18:34:30 < aandrew> porting it should be pretty painless, how big a project is it/ 2016-10-17T18:35:17 < BenderTheMan> Not really big but I'm on a tight schedule... But I guess it's worth it in the long run 2016-10-17T18:35:32 < BenderTheMan> And you are using eclipse as the IDE with OpenOCD? 2016-10-17T18:36:20 -!- tonyarkl1s [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-17T18:37:15 < aandrew> I am not, I use command line. Lots of people use Eclipse based environments though (SW4STM, Atollic, etc.) 2016-10-17T18:37:25 < aandrew> eclipse gives me the screaming heebie-jeebies 2016-10-17T18:37:45 < Ecco> I'd like to measure current flowing though a battery using an STM32 2016-10-17T18:37:53 < Ecco> I'm thinking about using a very low resistor in series 2016-10-17T18:37:59 < Ecco> Does that seem like a dumb idea, 2016-10-17T18:37:59 < Ecco> ? 2016-10-17T18:38:05 < aandrew> Ecco: yep, standard way to do it is with a shunt 2016-10-17T18:38:20 < aandrew> generally you use a small INA to boost the tiny signal to something an ADC is happy with 2016-10-17T18:38:40 < Ecco> oh 2016-10-17T18:38:50 < Ecco> I forgot about the intensity 2016-10-17T18:38:52 < aandrew> something like an INA199 2016-10-17T18:39:13 < Ecco> What if I don't use the INA? 2016-10-17T18:39:26 < aandrew> it's cheap and accurate (and there are more expensive/accurate and cheaper/less accurate) options too. there are also completely self-contained versions which you just talk to via I2C or SPI too 2016-10-17T18:40:12 < aandrew> Ecco: if you don't want to use an op-amp to amplify the tiny signal you will have to use a higher-value shunt resistor (to develop more voltage across it) and reduce the ADC reference voltage to try to make it work 2016-10-17T18:40:33 < Ecco> I see 2016-10-17T18:40:47 < aandrew> remember that resistor is developing a voltage across it. every Volt across the shunt is one volt your system doesn't get to use 2016-10-17T18:40:48 < Ecco> Makes perfect sense 2016-10-17T18:41:06 < aandrew> also sometimes it makes a lot more sense to measure the high-side current rather than the low-side current 2016-10-17T18:41:06 < Ecco> Crystal clear explanation, thanks 2016-10-17T18:41:12 < Ecco> this I didn't get 2016-10-17T18:41:36 < aandrew> and to do that with an ADC you need a differential amplifier, and if you're already doing that you may as well use a tiny and inexpensive INA199 or equivalent which is designed for this task 2016-10-17T18:42:01 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T18:45:10 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-17T18:51:26 < BenderTheMan> aandrew: What good books or app notes would you suggest for HAL ? 2016-10-17T18:52:15 < Rob235> is $13.55 USD a day a lot for 2000 calories? 2016-10-17T19:05:12 -!- fenug_ is now known as fenugrec 2016-10-17T19:05:36 < ReadErr> yea a bag of sugar has much more bang per $ 2016-10-17T19:12:31 < Rob235> gotta have nutrients too though 2016-10-17T19:14:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.154.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T19:15:00 < Rob235> thats less than a large pizza 2016-10-17T19:23:52 < Rob235> work time 2016-10-17T19:23:52 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.151.204] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T19:24:47 < aandrew> BenderTheMan: not really, no, sorry. I learned the HAL through the source and what documentation there is in the HAL doc/ directory itself 2016-10-17T19:31:20 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T19:35:02 < Steffanx> Does anyone here ever seen a fake battery with wires in chinaland? To power a battery powered device with some other power supply? AA or AAA.. 2016-10-17T19:36:01 < Rob235> wait, what? 2016-10-17T19:36:36 < Steffanx> http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-a-battery-substitute-power-connector/ or http://www.wamungo.com/PrintModel/Detail/Fake-AA-AAA-battery-for-using-a-power-supply-design-in-openscad-54af315389702a11a861c2b2 2016-10-17T19:36:45 < Steffanx> but then from chinaland, pre-made 2016-10-17T19:37:04 < Rob235> huh, interesting 2016-10-17T19:41:06 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-17T19:43:44 < jpa-> AAA to AA adapter could be easy to convert 2016-10-17T19:43:45 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE3085a93a4319-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-17T19:44:00 < Steffanx> Yes, but that still is only AA. 2016-10-17T19:44:05 < jpa-> yeah 2016-10-17T19:44:24 < jpa-> http://www.batteryeliminatorstore.com/index.php?id_category=4&controller=category 2016-10-17T19:44:35 < jpa-> but not china + pricey 2016-10-17T19:44:55 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-121-71.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-17T19:45:07 < Steffanx> oh, why i failed to find this, but yeah.. pricy 2016-10-17T19:45:22 < Steffanx> I guess will 3D print me something then. 2016-10-17T19:45:44 < jpa-> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Battery-Eliminator-120-to-240VAC-to-1-5VDC-for-AA-Battery-devices-/112146615600?hash=item1a1c758d30:g:2ZsAAOSwInxXNfm1 2016-10-17T19:47:07 < jpa-> dummy batteries are cheap on ebay.. maybe you can mod one of those 2016-10-17T19:47:12 < Steffanx> Thanks, but i failed to do what i hate most. I failed to mention the price requirements and that i need quite a few. 2016-10-17T19:48:43 -!- icee [~mlyle@jar.lyle.org] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T19:48:46 < Steffanx> It's for these xmas houses my mom has quite a few of. I don't want to permanently solder wires to them. 2016-10-17T19:49:24 < icee> Hey, I have a dumb question that I wonder if anyone knows the answer to. STM32F4xx ref manual DMA request mapping table has a few cells where there's multiple entries 2016-10-17T19:49:33 -!- jef79m [~jef79m@124-171-121-71.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T19:49:59 < icee> e.g. TIM1_CH1, TIM1_CH2, TIM1_CH3 in DMA2 Stream6 Channel0. Does this mean that these are ORed? e.g. ANY of these triggers a dma operation? 2016-10-17T19:51:06 < jpa-> yeah, that's atleast the way it worked on STM32F1 before they were divided into streams 2016-10-17T19:51:45 < icee> cool, thank you. I couldn't think of another way to interpret it but I wanted to be a little more sure before I got deep into code 2016-10-17T19:51:59 < jpa-> it will only happen if you enable it in the timer register, of course 2016-10-17T19:53:07 < Rob235> well hello there icee 2016-10-17T19:53:25 < icee> i need to generate ws2812 waveforms. so timer update for tim1 will trigger a single byte dma to BSRRH to set the bit, and then each of the two possible phases to turn off we'll clock from a buffer into BSRRL 2016-10-17T19:53:41 < icee> hey Rob235 :P 2016-10-17T19:54:04 < icee> so if the buffer looks like 0 1 it'll be a long pulse, and if it looks like 1 0 it'll be a short pulse 2016-10-17T19:54:24 < Rob235> I wrote a ws2812 library in C 2016-10-17T19:54:43 < icee> you and a million other people :P 2016-10-17T19:54:58 < icee> there's several possible tradeoffs on how many dma you use, ram, whether it requires a timer channel 2016-10-17T19:55:10 < Rob235> hah I just meant you could take a look at it if you wanted 2016-10-17T19:55:14 < jpa-> icee: i think the more common way is to have just the pulse length in the buffer, and DMA that into the timer ARR register 2016-10-17T19:55:15 < icee> i need an arbitrary pin, and have lots of ram, so this is the best i can think of 2016-10-17T19:55:22 < jpa-> ah, ok 2016-10-17T19:55:52 < icee> yah, sadly, it needs to be a non-timer pin 2016-10-17T19:56:28 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0aea5c.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T19:58:42 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.151.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-17T20:11:31 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-17T20:14:42 -!- zz_ka6sox is now known as ka6sox 2016-10-17T20:15:23 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-17T20:18:05 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T20:20:30 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T20:24:50 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T20:28:55 < Steffanx> heh, yay. http://www.dx.com/p/blank-14500-aa-dummy-battery-yellow-2-pcs-292467 2016-10-17T20:32:37 < kimmoli> MVProduct? MV is abbreviation Mitä Vittua (finnish), i.e. what the fuck... 2016-10-17T20:32:45 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-79e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T20:34:32 < karlp> in breaking news, acronyms have different meanings in different languages.... 2016-10-17T20:36:56 < kimmoli> meh 2016-10-17T20:38:42 < Steffanx> damn, turning into grumpy grandpa much karlp? 2016-10-17T20:39:38 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-17T20:44:05 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.192] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T20:45:02 < Steffanx> oh, they sell dummy batteries for cheap, maybe i can do something with that. 2016-10-17T21:03:28 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T21:05:12 < Rickta59> do you have to use a ws2812 icee? form factor wise, there are a bunch of clocked rgb leds 2016-10-17T21:07:45 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-17T21:14:04 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.26.128.162] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T21:20:36 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-17T21:41:33 < LeelooMinai> Maybe they hope that sume dummy will think those are usable batteries... 2016-10-17T21:43:18 < LeelooMinai> lol... "Blank Dummy 14500 AA battery, got it from dx event for free. Still not using it, because I don't really understand what is this for, but the built quality is good. Good for it real price" 2016-10-17T21:49:12 < Steffanx> Yeah, better buy them on ebay then, much cheaper 2016-10-17T21:49:48 < Fleck> reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGfzHfwiry0 2016-10-17T21:50:29 < LeelooMinai> I see sand on the top... wonder there it came from:p 2016-10-17T21:51:50 < Fleck> from 1st power bank :D 2016-10-17T21:52:44 < sync> oh wow the effort they go through 2016-10-17T21:53:24 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T21:54:09 < LeelooMinai> Plot twist: in reality Chinese figured out how to use sand as energy source 2016-10-17T21:54:18 < Fleck> :pp 2016-10-17T22:03:19 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T22:05:39 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T22:07:46 < kakimir> http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzUwWDc1MA==/z/EswAAOSw8gVX-Og-/$_10.JPG?set_id=880000500F I need that DC socket 2016-10-17T22:08:30 < kakimir> abused pin off from mine 2016-10-17T22:09:35 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T22:09:37 < LeelooMinai> englishman: This is a better song about chocolate imo:p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIKqgE4BwAY 2016-10-17T22:10:24 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-17T22:10:30 < LeelooMinai> lol 2016-10-17T22:16:24 < Laurenceb_> https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9781565&cid=53091977 2016-10-17T22:30:39 -!- sooda_ is now known as sooda 2016-10-17T22:34:43 < Steffanx> i still dont understand how people read slashdot, its pure chaos. 2016-10-17T22:36:38 < Steffanx> and maybe that's because i dont care much. 2016-10-17T22:38:02 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2016-10-17T22:43:58 < qyx> someone mentioned the outernet thing recently 2016-10-17T22:45:18 < Steffanx> ? 2016-10-17T22:47:29 < qyx> I am curious if there is anyone who actually tried to receive something 2016-10-17T22:51:26 < Steffanx> outernet.is? 2016-10-17T22:52:23 < BrainDamage> some people in rtlsdr did 2016-10-17T22:54:34 < qyx> yes 2016-10-17T22:56:05 < icee> hm i have a bunch of l band stuff 2016-10-17T22:56:08 < icee> i should try that 2016-10-17T23:01:00 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.154.216] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-17T23:06:18 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-17T23:14:50 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-17T23:22:04 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T23:23:04 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-17T23:30:28 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-17T23:36:22 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2016-10-17T23:50:19 < LeelooMinai> icee: I may be wrong, but aren't you that guy that was showing a mill $ check on IRC? :p 2016-10-17T23:50:56 * icee yawns 2016-10-17T23:51:10 < jadew> line in a movie 2016-10-17T23:51:11 < LeelooMinai> O, right, you are - he was yawning too:) 2016-10-17T23:51:49 < jadew> "Jake, you said the game is opensource, do you think you can change the code?" 2016-10-17T23:51:58 < jadew> "I guess... but it's gonna take time..." 2016-10-17T23:52:47 < LeelooMinai> That's better than usual "hackers" in moveis - they can write viruses and anti-viruses in 2 lines in 10 seconds:) 2016-10-17T23:53:25 < jadew> while all the characters from 0 to 255 are flooding the screen 2016-10-17T23:54:00 < LeelooMinai> Right, and random windows open and close by itself randomly. 2016-10-17T23:54:20 < jadew> I guess, it's better but when she said "you said the game is opensource" and paused, I thought she's gonna say, do you think you can find an exploit in it? 2016-10-17T23:54:44 < jadew> because that's what I would have asked 2016-10-17T23:55:12 < LeelooMinai> Well, isn't "changing the code" similar? :) 2016-10-17T23:55:53 < jadew> yeah, I guess that's true 2016-10-17T23:56:04 < jadew> ok then, I'll let it slide and continue watching 2016-10-17T23:56:21 < LeelooMinai> What are you watching anyways? 2016-10-17T23:56:26 < jadew> nerve 2016-10-17T23:56:39 < LeelooMinai> Don't know it 2016-10-17T23:56:58 < jadew> can't say I enjoyed it 2016-10-17T23:57:10 < jadew> was watching it while working 2016-10-17T23:57:20 < BrainDamage> sounds more like nerde 2016-10-17T23:57:59 < LeelooMinai> I do not watch a lot of movies, more TV shows. But I liked last StarTrek - I mean not that it was some groundbraking masterpiece, but was kind of fun. 2016-10-17T23:58:51 < jadew> I'm out of shows 2016-10-17T23:58:58 < jadew> only one season left from dark matter 2016-10-17T23:59:16 < LeelooMinai> well, it has only 2 so far. --- Day changed Tue Oct 18 2016 2016-10-18T00:00:36 < jadew> /openSourceHub/~nerve 2016-10-18T00:00:51 < jadew> /openSourceHub/~nerve: <= linux command prompt 2016-10-18T00:01:47 < jadew> and I see some javascript in the background, I guess theose hackers were using node.js 2016-10-18T00:03:23 < jadew> ah! 2016-10-18T00:03:31 < jadew> they had an explanation haha 2016-10-18T00:03:58 < jadew> "It's like wikipedia, everyone can edit the code, but the majority has to approve it." 2016-10-18T00:04:10 < jadew> "This botnet tho, can outvote anyone." 2016-10-18T00:04:16 < jadew> thumbs up! 2016-10-18T00:05:16 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-79e0e253.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-18T00:05:32 < jadew> I guess someone did read all my whining on the IMDB boards of all the other movies 2016-10-18T00:13:01 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-18T00:14:13 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-18T00:15:10 < jadew> it's with this chick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKnlo7sLfa0 2016-10-18T00:22:53 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T00:35:05 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrqj88zQZJg physics 2016-10-18T00:36:42 < kakimir> when stuff goes fast physics get interesting 2016-10-18T00:43:49 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-18T00:45:33 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T00:55:44 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-18T00:58:51 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-18T00:59:31 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T01:05:19 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0aea5c.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2016-10-18T01:14:43 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-18T01:19:23 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.69.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-18T01:20:39 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T01:46:18 < LeelooMinai> Hmm 2016-10-18T01:47:02 < karlp> can you use pfets for separating two sources? I know you can do it for reverse battery protection, but I can't fiddle this model to work: http://imgur.com/vHCz4oe 2016-10-18T01:47:16 < karlp> just attempting to get lower voltage drop across the diode. 2016-10-18T01:47:48 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-98-247-194-140.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-18T01:48:11 < LeelooMinai> You can use two diodes - will have some drop though. 2016-10-18T01:48:26 < LeelooMinai> Otehrwise, there are perfect diode ics, but expensive. 2016-10-18T01:48:40 < LeelooMinai> Also, specialized ICs for this kind of scenario. 2016-10-18T01:49:05 < LeelooMinai> The simplest is using two diodes on each + line 2016-10-18T01:49:11 < karlp> how is two diodes better than just one? 2016-10-18T01:49:25 < karlp> the battery is never going to be higher than vbus. 2016-10-18T01:49:31 < LeelooMinai> You have two source - you don't want one to bleed into another, so you need two diodes . 2016-10-18T01:49:54 < BrainDamage> the trick is to always explicitly draw the body diode in the p-mo, the arrow is pointed like the diode, but dedicated ic would be better 2016-10-18T01:50:04 < zyp> vbat is always lower than an active vbus, presumably 2016-10-18T01:50:36 < karlp> BrainDamage: to make the model thing work properly? 2016-10-18T01:50:43 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but you don't want to go the vbus to the bat directly either. 2016-10-18T01:50:58 < zyp> LeelooMinai, that's why there's a single diode 2016-10-18T01:51:16 < BrainDamage> karlp: to reason in your head 2016-10-18T01:52:03 < BrainDamage> the model works here? 2016-10-18T01:52:12 < LeelooMinai> Well, I don't know - when you turn the vbus side device off, something weird can still happen when battery is connected - imo it's safer to block this one too. 2016-10-18T01:52:51 < BrainDamage> falstad gives 47mA current 2016-10-18T01:52:54 < zyp> that's true 2016-10-18T01:53:00 < karlp> no, model doesn't work with the body diode explicit. 2016-10-18T01:53:12 < karlp> when the switch is closed,it's not meant tobe running back into the battery 2016-10-18T01:53:39 < karlp> falstad says the fet is in linear region, I guess I have to fiddle it till it's saturated 2016-10-18T01:53:50 < BrainDamage> that's because yo need to open the gate too 2016-10-18T01:53:59 < BrainDamage> a mosfet is kinda symmetric 2016-10-18T01:54:12 < LeelooMinai> Isn't falstand kind of limited - more for classroom demonstration kind of work? 2016-10-18T01:54:22 < BrainDamage> you can switch the dran and source, and it'll still work apart for the body diode 2016-10-18T01:54:55 < BrainDamage> so when you turn on the switch, Vs > Vd, and it's like you swapped them 2016-10-18T01:55:11 < karlp> yeah, that's what I was stuck on, the gate connection in falstad. 2016-10-18T01:55:41 < BrainDamage> you need to connect the gate to Vbat to turn it off 2016-10-18T01:57:05 < BrainDamage> and not just the 3V source, that'd just throw the mos in saturation, but won't turn it off 2016-10-18T01:57:28 < karlp> yeah, so basically no, I can't just stick a pfet in there instead of the diode to try and get a lower voltage drop :) 2016-10-18T01:58:48 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, so I am doing hal::exti now, and I can see that EXTI control is spread among the EXTI (edge polarity, interrupts, etc.) and SYSFGG (muxes for each line), and there's nothing related in GPIO (the mode does not include EXTI function.) 2016-10-18T01:59:11 < LeelooMinai> My question is, which part exacly determines that the normal GPIO is not connected? 2016-10-18T01:59:22 < BrainDamage> karlp: i bet you can play with diodes and get the battery also switch the mos 2016-10-18T01:59:54 < BrainDamage> but this is going to be unnecessarily complicated compared to a dedicated power management ic 2016-10-18T02:01:00 < LeelooMinai> Cannot really find what are inter-dependencies between EXTI and GPIO mode... Are any of the GPIO flags valid when EXTI is valid? 2016-10-18T02:01:13 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-18T02:02:40 < LeelooMinai> Can one still use the pin in the GPIO mode?... 2016-10-18T02:03:38 < zyp> karlp, http://www.falstad.com/circuit/circuitjs.html?cct=$+1+0.000005+10.634267539816555+44+5+50%0Ar+256+112+256+272+0+40%0Ag+256+272+256+304+0%0Av+80+256+80+112+0+0+40+5+0+0+0.5%0Av+512+208+512+144+0+0+40+3.7+0+0+0.5%0Af+368+176+368+112+5+1.5+0.02%0Aw+352+112+256+112+0%0Aw+80+272+240+272+0%0Aw+240+272+256+272+0%0As+160+112+256+112+0+1+false%0Aw+512+208+512+272+0%0Aw+512+272+368+272+0%0Aw+80+272+80+256+0%0Aw+5 2016-10-18T02:03:44 < zyp> 12+112+512+144+0%0A370+512+112+384+112+1+0%0Aw+256+272+368+272+0%0A370+80+112+160+112+1+0%0Aw+368+224+368+176+0%0Aw+368+224+368+272+0%0A 2016-10-18T02:03:47 < zyp> eh 2016-10-18T02:04:03 < zyp> wait 2016-10-18T02:04:23 < vampi-the-frog> wow look at the size of that thing 2016-10-18T02:04:28 < zyp> karlp, http://bit.ly/2e0zKUK 2016-10-18T02:04:33 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: http://i.imgur.com/VuRkTvr.jpg 2016-10-18T02:05:12 < LeelooMinai> But smaller... 2016-10-18T02:05:31 < LeelooMinai> He may be out, but not forgotten:p 2016-10-18T02:05:50 < BrainDamage> ah i was trying to replace the diode with another mos 2016-10-18T02:06:04 < BrainDamage> if you're ok with the other source having the diode, that works 2016-10-18T02:06:29 < LeelooMinai> So, no ideas about those EXTI questions? On #stm32?... :/ 2016-10-18T02:06:53 < BrainDamage> they are more boring than karlp's problem 2016-10-18T02:07:22 < LeelooMinai> I don't know - the answers seem like good to know... 2016-10-18T02:08:02 < zyp> LeelooMinai, why wouldn't the normal gpio be connected? 2016-10-18T02:08:42 < zyp> I would assume that EXTI just taps off the digital pin state, which means that to use EXTI the pin should normally be configured as a plain input 2016-10-18T02:08:45 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Seems to me that there's a collision of functionality there 2016-10-18T02:09:10 < zyp> why? does EXTI do anything other than react to current pin state? 2016-10-18T02:10:07 < LeelooMinai> Well, I read this for example: "The EXTI can detect an external line with a pulse width shorter than the internal clock period." 2016-10-18T02:10:35 < LeelooMinai> So there may be something special there - shmidtt trigger or what it is called. I don't know how exactly it's connected. 2016-10-18T02:10:56 < LeelooMinai> Does it work if GPIO is in the output mode for example? 2016-10-18T02:11:13 < LeelooMinai> Or in analog mode? 2016-10-18T02:11:21 < LeelooMinai> Cannot really find any info on this. 2016-10-18T02:11:57 < zyp> probably works in output mode, but unless you're doing open drain, it naturally can't be triggered externally (or in practice it might if you overpower the internal driver) 2016-10-18T02:12:01 < karlp> zyp: huh, that's neat. sacrifice some of the vbus voltage to gain it on the vbat side. 2016-10-18T02:12:10 < zyp> karlp, exactly what I had in mind 2016-10-18T02:12:36 < karlp> hrm.. it's three parts vs one of course. 2016-10-18T02:12:53 < zyp> LeelooMinai, and probably doesn't work in analog mode, since that turns off the digital buffer 2016-10-18T02:12:57 < karlp> so as long as the vbat+vschottkey is > the v drop out of the ldo, we stay ok I guess. 2016-10-18T02:13:44 < zyp> LeelooMinai, just think about how the GPIO block for each pin is built up 2016-10-18T02:13:49 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, looking at the HAL driver from ST and they have this: http://i.imgur.com/i7Z6q7F.png 2016-10-18T02:14:17 < LeelooMinai> So, they have kind of combined the config and have some selected valid setups I guess. But is this hardware-enforced, not sure. 2016-10-18T02:15:14 < zyp> looks like all the IT/EVT modes selects INPUT mode (lower bits 0) 2016-10-18T02:15:22 < LeelooMinai> Wonder if choosing, say IT_RISING also switches GPIO into input mode - need to look at the source. 2016-10-18T02:15:55 < LeelooMinai> Right, yes, that makes sense, but that's what I was talking about - they do not say anything about what makes sense or not in the docs. 2016-10-18T02:16:13 < vampi-the-frog> I've moved on to libopencm3 2016-10-18T02:16:25 < vampi-the-frog> the ST code is too spread out 2016-10-18T02:16:32 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I believe datasheet has a diagram on how the gpio block is built up 2016-10-18T02:16:38 < LeelooMinai> vampi-the-frog: I am moving into my own C++ hal - but I use the ST stuff for reference. 2016-10-18T02:16:59 < BrainDamage> i tought you hated c++ 2016-10-18T02:16:59 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Yes, I looked at it, but it does not exactly answer all the qustions. 2016-10-18T02:17:41 < LeelooMinai> Why? I started from C, then C++ (Borland stuff long time ago,) then Java. 2016-10-18T02:18:02 < zyp> LeelooMinai, again, just think about how it's built up 2016-10-18T02:18:12 < LeelooMinai> Selective C++ imo is better for micros than C. 2016-10-18T02:19:11 < zyp> LeelooMinai, each pin got an analog state, i.e. the actual pin state itself 2016-10-18T02:19:13 < LeelooMinai> zyp: I looked at the diagrams obviously many times - but EXTI is not considered there. 2016-10-18T02:19:44 < zyp> this feeds a schmitt trigger buffer or something to get a digital input state 2016-10-18T02:19:53 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.26.128.162] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-18T02:19:55 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/erNga0h.png 2016-10-18T02:20:13 < LeelooMinai> I can see two lines - one to alternate function and one to analog. But where is EXTI signal connected? 2016-10-18T02:20:16 < zyp> analog stuff like ADC and similar feeds off the analog state, all other input stuff feeds off the digital buffer 2016-10-18T02:20:43 < LeelooMinai> zyp: I know that, but as I wrote - how EXTI fits to that? 2016-10-18T02:20:51 < zyp> same as AF 2016-10-18T02:21:24 < LeelooMinai> How do you know? AF does not even have EXTI functionality as part of the options. 2016-10-18T02:22:05 < zyp> EXTI got it's own muxing mechanism and thus doesn't need to integrate with AF muxing 2016-10-18T02:22:29 < LeelooMinai> Sure,. it could be tapping directly there, but I don't see where in docs I could verify it... 2016-10-18T02:23:20 < zyp> it's probably never said explicitly, but there's no reason it would be done otherwise 2016-10-18T02:24:30 < LeelooMinai> Meh - it's always nicer if something is documented explicitelly. 2016-10-18T02:24:49 < zyp> it could be tapped on the analog side of the input buffer, but then it would need it's own buffer which is kinda redundant 2016-10-18T02:25:29 < LeelooMinai> Note also that that buffer can be switched on/off - does it affect EXTI? How the hell I should know that... 2016-10-18T02:25:51 < zyp> you could always test it and see 2016-10-18T02:26:18 < zyp> which would let you know which side EXTI is tapped from 2016-10-18T02:26:37 < LeelooMinai> Right, or I could get some false positive, because I assumed something that is not true. 2016-10-18T02:26:41 < zyp> my bet is that EXTI stops working when you turn off the buffer (set the pin to analog mode) 2016-10-18T02:27:08 < LeelooMinai> IMO it should be documented - it's kind of important. 2016-10-18T02:27:08 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-18T02:27:15 < karlp> heh, default DRC in eagle -> lots of errors. load actual fab dru files, no errors! 2016-10-18T02:27:18 < LeelooMinai> Maybe there's some app note... did not see one:/ 2016-10-18T02:27:29 < zyp> nah, it's not, this is pretty common sense I'd say 2016-10-18T02:27:49 < zyp> just use your head 2016-10-18T02:27:58 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Sorry, but that's BS-talk:p 2016-10-18T02:28:10 < zyp> related; what I'm more curious about is how AF input muxing works 2016-10-18T02:28:33 * LeelooMinai imagines all docs being one line: "Use your common sense. kthx" 2016-10-18T02:29:10 < zyp> like, if you're doing SPI master, there's no mux that directly selects which pin to be used for SPIx_MISO 2016-10-18T02:29:33 < LeelooMinai> It's hardwired... 2016-10-18T02:29:48 < zyp> instead, certain pins can be set to an AF mode that feeds SPIx_MISO 2016-10-18T02:29:50 < LeelooMinai> You have the AF tables - I don't see what's unclear there. 2016-10-18T02:29:54 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2016-10-18T02:30:05 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Just use common sense:p 2016-10-18T02:30:15 < zyp> but there's several of those, and nothing prevents you from enabling the SPIx_MISO on multiple at the same time 2016-10-18T02:31:09 < zyp> I assume the AF select works as a mask for that pin, and then each pin is fed into an OR gate that feeds the SPI peripheral 2016-10-18T02:31:32 < LeelooMinai> Right, but you know what they say about assuming 2016-10-18T02:31:45 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T02:31:48 < Laurenceb_> lulz https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/10/17/212208/wikileaks-ecuador-cut-off-assanges-internet-access 2016-10-18T02:31:56 < Laurenceb_> soon they will stop him pocket money too 2016-10-18T02:31:58 < LeelooMinai> I guess my poiint above was that I don't like assuming too much. 2016-10-18T02:32:00 < Laurenceb_> *his 2016-10-18T02:32:02 < zyp> so if multiple pins are enabled for the same AF, I guess you would get a combination of those 2016-10-18T02:32:25 < zyp> probably either OR or AND depending on how it's built up internally 2016-10-18T02:32:39 < zyp> I've been meaning to test it, but haven't gotten to it yet 2016-10-18T02:32:58 < LeelooMinai> They should have more wiring diagrams in those docs imo. 2016-10-18T02:33:21 < zyp> eh, it's fair that it's not documented, you're not supposed to do that :) 2016-10-18T02:33:38 < LeelooMinai> No? 2016-10-18T02:33:53 < LeelooMinai> Who says? One could have SPI on two sides... 2016-10-18T02:34:02 < LeelooMinai> It's a valid possibility... 2016-10-18T02:34:05 < zyp> oh shut up 2016-10-18T02:34:10 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T02:34:28 < LeelooMinai> You assume too much imo:p 2016-10-18T02:35:00 < zyp> that's okay, I don't assume I'm always right, and that's the most important thing not to assume 2016-10-18T02:35:24 < LeelooMinai> Well, people are known to lose some space probes, because they assumed units for example:) 2016-10-18T02:35:42 < LeelooMinai> Or even measuring systems... 2016-10-18T02:35:45 < zyp> good thing I'm not making space probes then :) 2016-10-18T02:35:47 < zyp> oh 2016-10-18T02:35:55 < zyp> actually, I made a sounding rocket payload once 2016-10-18T02:36:05 < LeelooMinai> The what? 2016-10-18T02:37:11 < zyp> :) 2016-10-18T02:39:18 < zyp> (that sounds more fancy than it was, but still great fun nonetheless) 2016-10-18T02:41:23 < Laurenceb_> inb4 Assange Tendies stories 2016-10-18T02:42:00 < LeelooMinai> Ok, no app note on EXTI/GPIOS, but they have vocoder one - great. 2016-10-18T02:48:30 < zyp> R2COM, as far as I can see, yes 2016-10-18T02:48:47 < zyp> to me it looks like you can generate vga just by feeding the RGB lines through a DAC 2016-10-18T02:48:58 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, this lil L4 I use has 5.33Msps ADC - that's pretty fast. 2016-10-18T02:50:06 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/57zmi3/wikileaks_has_confirmed_that_ecuador_is/d8wadul 2016-10-18T02:52:28 < zyp> that's the DAC :p 2016-10-18T02:53:27 < zyp> LeelooMinai, IIRC F3 got some even faster ones 2016-10-18T02:54:22 < LeelooMinai> F3 was analog-oriented as I remember, so maybe had some specialized ones. 2016-10-18T02:54:28 < zyp> yes 2016-10-18T02:54:39 < zyp> bunch of opamps and comparators as well 2016-10-18T02:54:56 < zyp> R2COM, yeah, I've been tempted to try it out 2016-10-18T02:55:05 < zyp> but I barely have any VGA monitors left 2016-10-18T02:55:13 < LeelooMinai> For this project I don't need ADC - it's a tiny board; it's just a bit scary that there's so much stuff in this little micro... 2016-10-18T02:55:29 < zyp> haha 2016-10-18T02:55:43 < Laurenceb_> holy shit https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ruXBSKQHQtYJ:https://www.unglobalcompact.org/system/attachments/cop_2016/322211/original/ToddandClare.com_United_Nations_GC_Member_Report_COP_1042016.pdf%3F1475591336+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us 2016-10-18T02:55:56 < zyp> yeah, let's feed a digital video signal through a VGA DAC so we can convert it to DVI and feed it to a monitor 2016-10-18T02:56:27 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: wth are you reading there... You need to start some EE project... 2016-10-18T02:56:31 < zyp> might as well get a HDMI transmitter or something at that point, I think you can get chips that does that as well 2016-10-18T02:57:03 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai> Assange is going to be smeared as a pedo 2016-10-18T02:57:09 < Laurenceb_> smart plan, very smart 2016-10-18T02:57:16 < LeelooMinai> Right, wonderful, whoever that is... 2016-10-18T02:58:33 < Laurenceb_> obvious troll is obvious 2016-10-18T02:58:43 < Laurenceb_> also applies to Mr Assange 2016-10-18T03:00:02 < LeelooMinai> I don't know who he is - not everyone reads those "news" 2016-10-18T03:00:45 < Laurenceb_> seriously... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange 2016-10-18T03:01:44 < LeelooMinai> Right, I already googled - whatever I guess, one of the "whistleblowers" like that Chelsea Manning person. 2016-10-18T03:01:55 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T03:04:35 < Laurenceb_> whistle-blowers/attention seeking trolls 2016-10-18T03:06:03 < LeelooMinai> Some of them may not be trolls:) 2016-10-18T03:07:12 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I need to think about some strategy how to configure those external interrupts - since they involve 3 different peipheral blocks/registers. 2016-10-18T03:08:34 < LeelooMinai> Maybe make a specialized hal::something that contributes to those other three, but that must happen during compile stage, so more constexpr magic I guess. 2016-10-18T03:10:04 < zyp> LeelooMinai, oh, by the way 2016-10-18T03:10:22 < zyp> I thought about something the other day, when you first talked about the gpio stuff, but I forgot to ask 2016-10-18T03:11:10 < zyp> when you configure outputs, can the config process also set them high/low? 2016-10-18T03:11:55 < LeelooMinai> I was going to add it today actually. Chibios can do this too - you configure the initial level. 2016-10-18T03:12:44 < zyp> yeah, it's kinda important to do it right for signals that doesn't tolerate glitches very well 2016-10-18T03:12:48 < LeelooMinai> I will just change Mode::Output into Mode::OutputInitLow and Mode::OutputInitHigh or something. 2016-10-18T03:13:00 < LeelooMinai> It's a trivial change. 2016-10-18T03:13:28 < zyp> remember to set IDR before the mode register :) 2016-10-18T03:14:28 < LeelooMinai> Hm? But it's read-only... 2016-10-18T03:14:39 < zyp> *ODR of course 2016-10-18T03:14:42 < zyp> my bad 2016-10-18T03:14:54 < LeelooMinai> Right, yes 2016-10-18T03:19:01 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, is there any case where one would use output mode and pull resistors? 2016-10-18T03:19:25 < LeelooMinai> In Push-Pull that is. 2016-10-18T03:19:38 < LeelooMinai> In open drain I guess it makes sense. 2016-10-18T03:25:28 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, those resistors seem to be active in all modes, except analog where they are disabled by hardware. 2016-10-18T03:37:30 < zyp> I haven't 2016-10-18T03:37:52 < zyp> I've just looked at the theory 2016-10-18T03:38:02 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-18T03:39:41 < Laurenceb_> saywut 2016-10-18T03:39:58 < Laurenceb_> theory of LCD drivers? 2016-10-18T03:39:59 < LeelooMinai> PhD in Weird Forums 2016-10-18T03:42:03 < LeelooMinai> Damn, two more leds on the kb died... I will have to open it again... 2016-10-18T03:43:09 < LeelooMinai> I was too lazy to replace them all - replaced only the ones that died. 2016-10-18T03:43:57 < LeelooMinai> Wish I had one of those desoldering irons that can suck the solder out - since those are TH leds. 2016-10-18T03:44:22 < LeelooMinai> Instead I have to use a lame aliexpress hand-sucking device and solder braid. 2016-10-18T03:49:45 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T03:51:59 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T03:53:15 < upgrdman> drink some mt. dew 2016-10-18T03:56:09 < Thorn> R2COM: https://www.youtube.com/user/EEVblog 2016-10-18T03:56:17 < stvn> . 2016-10-18T03:57:33 -!- bitrot [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-246.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T04:00:35 -!- Rajko [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-246.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-18T04:00:57 < aandrew> wtf 2016-10-18T04:01:15 < aandrew> in altium, in the board, I reannotate 2016-10-18T04:01:16 < aandrew> it works 2016-10-18T04:01:18 < aandrew> go to schematic 2016-10-18T04:01:34 < aandrew> back-annotate, sleect the WAS file, run it, select all, execute, no errors 2016-10-18T04:01:55 < aandrew> go to layout, design->import changes, it does its thing, no worries 2016-10-18T04:02:01 < aandrew> but now I have duplicate entries 2016-10-18T04:02:05 < aandrew> they're not locked 2016-10-18T04:03:58 < aandrew> and if I do a design->import changes I can do it a hundred times, no errors but the same changes keep showing up 2016-10-18T04:05:48 < aandrew> hm 2016-10-18T04:05:53 < aandrew> maybe a component link bullshit 2016-10-18T04:11:56 < Thorn> prototype firmware done, schematics done, pcb half done, time to meet with the customer and get some $ 2016-10-18T04:12:11 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-18T04:12:32 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T04:14:41 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-18T04:15:01 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T04:15:51 < stvn> nice 2016-10-18T04:16:07 < Thorn> you're confusing me with PaulFertser 2016-10-18T04:16:19 < stvn> maybe it can find mh370 and blow up what's left of it 2016-10-18T04:17:11 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-18T04:17:32 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T04:19:41 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-18T04:19:59 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T04:21:11 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-18T04:42:51 < Thorn> as part of and ad campaign for the new YotaPhone 2016-10-18T04:46:46 < nmnl> R2COM: the block diagram describe an "ahb interface", and the controller takes care of the timing. You just give it a memory address to your framebuffer. 2016-10-18T04:46:56 < nmnl> s/describe/describes 2016-10-18T04:47:29 < nmnl> well... you configure the timing according to your screen, obv. 2016-10-18T04:48:22 < nmnl> your framebuffer can be anywhere. 2016-10-18T04:49:01 < dongs> englishman: this RA86=75 shit i made just had 2 addreses 2016-10-18T04:49:05 < dongs> one for cmd and one for data 2016-10-18T04:49:11 < dongs> you just keep writing to same addr 2016-10-18T04:49:12 < dongs> yes 2016-10-18T04:49:13 < nmnl> you don't need a framebuffer the size of the screen, but you need to store whatever you draw in memory so the ltdc transfers it. 2016-10-18T04:49:30 < dongs> was pretty easy setup, worked out of the bawx 2016-10-18T04:49:36 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-18T04:49:45 < dongs> so its just whatever addr bit set 2016-10-18T04:49:49 < dongs> shifted << 1 cuz 16bit 2016-10-18T04:50:17 < nmnl> also the chrom-art present in f4/f7 (at least) is fun to play with. 2016-10-18T04:51:34 < dongs> poor guy who will be coding this CYBLE firmware will certainly be excited about that 2016-10-18T04:51:42 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-18T04:51:56 < dongs> i got as far as plugging jlink into it and getting core ID 2016-10-18T04:52:02 < dongs> and confirming the shitty PSoC M0 was alive 2016-10-18T04:53:24 < nmnl> yes, that's the one with the HAL driver. 2016-10-18T04:53:28 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T04:53:39 < nmnl> no it's a buffer 2016-10-18T04:53:53 < dongs> is that the board with sdram? 2016-10-18T04:53:56 < dongs> and framebuffer in it? 2016-10-18T04:54:09 < nmnl> yeah, that's array, buffer. Yes. 2016-10-18T04:54:30 < nmnl> R2COM: it's a bitmap. 2016-10-18T04:54:53 < nmnl> R2COM: well, sure 2016-10-18T04:55:01 < nmnl> but... 2016-10-18T04:55:32 < nmnl> what you want to do is allocate space for a framebuffer or x,y size, and transfer images there, unless you want a hard-coded bitmap (such as the example's) 2016-10-18T04:56:44 < nmnl> if you want to hardcode bitmaps into code like the example, then you have to change the framebuffer on the fly and there's a function to do so in the HAL, to reload the config... well obviously it just writes to a register but the function does that for you. 2016-10-18T04:56:54 < nmnl> framebuffer address, even. 2016-10-18T04:57:58 < emeb_mac> also - why uint32 when the encoding is rgb565? 2016-10-18T04:58:09 < dongs> probly needs to be 32bit aligned 2016-10-18T04:58:12 < dongs> for dma 2016-10-18T04:58:19 < nmnl> because it stores the address, not a pointer 2016-10-18T04:58:28 < nmnl> well, it accepts the address, not a pointer 2016-10-18T04:58:40 < dongs> last i checked, a pointer is an address 2016-10-18T04:58:55 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/AEYLv33 2016-10-18T04:59:01 < nmnl> dongs: if you have an address > 65k, you can't fit it in an uint16_t 2016-10-18T04:59:10 < dongs> nm.... 2016-10-18T04:59:14 < dongs> nmnl: that was NOT his question 2016-10-18T04:59:29 < nmnl> oh wait, sorry. 2016-10-18T04:59:30 < dongs> nmnl: if its 565RGB, why is the array made up of uint32s 2016-10-18T04:59:37 < dongs> (it should be array of uint16's 2016-10-18T04:59:44 < dongs> but my answer was, probably because it needs to be 32 bit aligned for DMA 2016-10-18T04:59:48 < nmnl> yeah, i was thinking of the other thing 2016-10-18T05:00:03 < nmnl> no, i don't actually think so. Don't know why... 2016-10-18T05:00:39 < nmnl> that would be 8 bit grayscale 2016-10-18T05:00:47 < nmnl> for 565 you need 480 * 272 * 2 2016-10-18T05:01:01 < dongs> .. 16bit per pixel 2016-10-18T05:01:04 < nmnl> 5 red bits 6 green bits 4 blue bits 2016-10-18T05:01:07 < nmnl> 565 rgb 2016-10-18T05:01:48 < nmnl> R2COM: because it's not a 480 x 272 bitmap, it's smaller. 2016-10-18T05:02:01 < nmnl> you define the layer size when you set up the ltdc controller 2016-10-18T05:02:35 < dongs> how is it smaller? 2016-10-18T05:02:41 < dongs> R2COM: its 65280 uint32s 2016-10-18T05:02:47 < dongs> = 65280*4 bytes 2016-10-18T05:02:52 < nmnl> oh yeah, i'm getting tired haha 2016-10-18T05:02:52 < dongs> = 261120 2016-10-18T05:02:55 < nmnl> yes yes... 2016-10-18T05:03:17 < nmnl> i keep forgetting it's uint32s 2016-10-18T05:03:47 < nmnl> because it's 32 bits per element, R2COM 2016-10-18T05:03:52 < nmnl> i.e. 4 bytes 2016-10-18T05:04:46 < nmnl> it's 480 * 272 * 2 / 4 2016-10-18T05:05:49 < nmnl> for clarity's sake for 565 i'd declare it as 16s, as I am sure the setup function does casting anyway. 2016-10-18T05:06:22 < dongs> http://www.miscopy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/privilege-woman-assault-guy-body-slam.mp4?id=0 lmao first world problems 2016-10-18T05:06:59 < aandrew> wtf I do not get this 2016-10-18T05:07:01 < nmnl> though R2COM, as it's the disco board i'd suggest you'd put your fb in the sdram 2016-10-18T05:07:04 < aandrew> reannotate is fine 2016-10-18T05:07:15 < aandrew> back annotate LOOKS like it's fine but has duplicate designators 2016-10-18T05:07:45 < dongs> aandrew: try quitting altidumb 2016-10-18T05:07:55 < dongs> and reload 2016-10-18T05:08:03 < dongs> i've seen some obscure shit happen that clearead right up on reload 2016-10-18T05:08:09 < nmnl> you can only fit a 565 fb in the internal sram, but you can do 888 or 8888 in the sdram 2016-10-18T05:08:12 < aandrew> I have, multiple times 2016-10-18T05:08:15 < dongs> also, try to clear all designators, eco, reannotate, eco 2016-10-18T05:08:21 < aandrew> yeah, tried that too 2016-10-18T05:08:25 < aandrew> but will try again from a clean slate 2016-10-18T05:08:27 < dongs> hurf, works 4 me 2016-10-18T05:08:28 < aandrew> it's fucked 2016-10-18T05:08:33 < aandrew> yeah it works for me most of the time too 2016-10-18T05:09:50 < dongs> i wonder what altidumb plan is 2016-10-18T05:10:00 < dongs> they gonna make more 16.1 stuff or go to .2 or go to 17. directly 2016-10-18T05:10:06 < dongs> i want that AMAZEROUTING from 17 2016-10-18T05:12:24 < dongs> yeah. 2016-10-18T05:12:32 < dongs> englishman: yeah they bvought it 2016-10-18T05:12:35 < dongs> and one other one 2016-10-18T05:12:38 < dongs> civvia 2016-10-18T05:12:39 < dongs> or someshit 2016-10-18T05:14:12 < nmnl> yeah 2016-10-18T05:15:01 < nmnl> yes, the fmc 2016-10-18T05:15:38 < nmnl> R2COM: the BSP from cubef7 has ready-to-use setup code for the chip on the board. Use it. 2016-10-18T05:15:43 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-18T05:15:58 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://i.redd.it/xflm8o0ku3sx.jpg 2016-10-18T05:16:37 < emeb_mac> meh - mouser out of stock on some vertical SD sockets for the last month. 2016-10-18T05:16:41 < emeb_mac> http://www.mouser.com/search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=0virtualkey0virtualkeyPJS008U-3000-0 2016-10-18T05:16:58 < emeb_mac> and late restocking 2016-10-18T05:17:19 < nmnl> R2COM: i don't think the fmc is capable of that...? 2016-10-18T05:17:22 < dongs> kawaii electronics 2016-10-18T05:17:37 < nmnl> dual porting 2016-10-18T05:18:02 < dongs> no you dong 2016-10-18T05:18:06 < dongs> dualport = writing while reading 2016-10-18T05:18:45 < dongs> emeb_mac: interesting choice of socket. what uses it? 2016-10-18T05:18:48 < dongs> and why would they have 10k on order 2016-10-18T05:19:12 < upgrdman> http://nypost.com/2016/10/17/man-has-penis-removed-after-getting-it-stuck-in-a-bottle/ 2016-10-18T05:19:25 < emeb_mac> dongs: I've got some clients who want to use that for synth stuff 2016-10-18T05:20:16 < emeb_mac> dongs: I used it on some personal projects a while back too -> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/synth/f373_mod/index.html 2016-10-18T05:20:51 < emeb_mac> form factor is a good match for 10mm faceplate mounting w/ pots & jacks 2016-10-18T05:21:41 < dongs> cool 2016-10-18T05:22:28 < aandrew> huh 2016-10-18T05:22:33 < aandrew> fresh start 2016-10-18T05:22:41 < aandrew> open design, recompile project to make sure there are no errors 2016-10-18T05:22:44 < aandrew> reset all designators 2016-10-18T05:22:46 < aandrew> annotate 2016-10-18T05:22:54 < aandrew> execute, recompile, lots of duplicate designators 2016-10-18T05:22:58 < aandrew> what the fuck 2016-10-18T05:23:26 < aandrew> e.g. duplicate C2 (C14) at 1420,275 and 1640,955 (on two different pages, love you altium for only ever showing me one of the page numbers) 2016-10-18T05:24:29 < emeb_mac> OMG - Pamela Anderson Poisoned Julian Assange With a Vegan Sandwich 2016-10-18T05:25:08 < dongs> wot 2016-10-18T05:27:48 < stvn> who wants to push julian assange out of a window? 2016-10-18T05:28:49 < dongs> why not you 2016-10-18T05:29:37 < bitrot> the "simple" gpio set for this arm has a global check if gpios are enabled, then another nested function call that checks if the gpio number is < 40 2016-10-18T05:29:51 < stvn> dongs, cant reach 2016-10-18T05:30:04 < bitrot> just setting the mmio value as a volatile uint32_t is way faster 2016-10-18T05:30:54 < bitrot> why they do this 2016-10-18T05:37:00 < aandrew> what. the. fuck. 2016-10-18T05:37:01 < aandrew> http://www.carminenoviello.com/2016/08/28/correct-perform-re-annotation-designators-altium/ 2016-10-18T05:37:13 < aandrew> I do that and at least no errors, but I still have to fuck around with it but it worked now 2016-10-18T05:37:16 < aandrew> that's fucked 2016-10-18T05:38:02 < bitrot> aandrew, how do you do back annotation when you have multiple instances of a .SchDoc ? 2016-10-18T05:38:17 < dongs> oh 2016-10-18T05:38:22 < dongs> aandrew: did you run ck to update links 2016-10-18T05:38:24 < dongs> in pcb 2016-10-18T05:38:36 < aandrew> multiple instances? 2016-10-18T05:38:44 < aandrew> ck? 2016-10-18T05:38:45 -!- bitrot is now known as rajkosto 2016-10-18T05:38:49 < dongs> press ck in pcb 2016-10-18T05:38:54 < dongs> if your shit was correct 2016-10-18T05:38:56 < dongs> you'd get 0 2016-10-18T05:38:58 < rajkosto> aandrew, like if you have one power supply used twice on main schematic 2016-10-18T05:39:00 < aandrew> oh component links 2016-10-18T05:39:00 < aandrew> yeah 2016-10-18T05:39:03 < dongs> if it says x links update, you shoulda run that first 2016-10-18T05:39:12 < aandrew> rajkosto: still have no idea what you and bitrot are trying to say 2016-10-18T05:39:18 < rajkosto> aandrew, i am bitrot 2016-10-18T05:39:20 < aandrew> those steps weren't enough 2016-10-18T05:39:36 < rajkosto> in Altium, you can design one schematic, and then use it MULTIPLE TIMES on your TOP-LEVEL schematic 2016-10-18T05:39:39 < aandrew> englishman: after that I still had to tools/back-annotate and THEN it seemed to work 2016-10-18T05:39:44 < dongs> aandrew: i think hes talking about using a block/schematic sheet thing 2016-10-18T05:39:49 < aandrew> rajkosto: you mean like hierarchial design? 2016-10-18T05:39:51 < aandrew> I don't do that 2016-10-18T05:39:52 < rajkosto> yes 2016-10-18T05:40:01 < dongs> hm i do that alot 2016-10-18T05:40:05 < aandrew> never in 20+ years of electronics design have I used hierarchial design 2016-10-18T05:40:07 < dongs> btw, why would you ever want to backannotate from pcb->sch? 2016-10-18T05:40:09 < aandrew> although I suspect it might be useful 2016-10-18T05:40:10 < dongs> like whats the use case here 2016-10-18T05:40:17 < aandrew> dongs: you lay out a design 2016-10-18T05:40:26 < aandrew> now you want the designators to run from left to right, top to bottom 2016-10-18T05:40:34 < dongs> err, physically? 2016-10-18T05:40:38 < aandrew> not have r1 in the middle and r3 on the bottom left then r4 on the top left, etc. 2016-10-18T05:40:43 < dongs> o i c 2016-10-18T05:40:49 < dongs> never ocd'd that much 2016-10-18T05:40:58 < dongs> i almost never print designators on pcb anyway 2016-10-18T05:41:05 < dongs> they're on assembly layer 2016-10-18T05:41:12 < dongs> if they're printed its probly some huge board 2016-10-18T05:41:15 < dongs> with liek 10 parts 2016-10-18T05:41:30 < aandrew> heh I always try to fit them in 2016-10-18T05:41:47 < aandrew> http://gerblook.org/pcb/iLpvNRdRpEqYsBXV8AVftK and http://gerblook.org/pcb/SLdCg7XnE7UvM6oyxnw7kG 2016-10-18T05:41:54 < aandrew> the first board is the one I was having a bitch reannotating 2016-10-18T05:41:57 < aandrew> second one was fine 2016-10-18T05:42:02 < aandrew> although now I'm a little worried about it 2016-10-18T05:42:40 < dongs> donno man 2016-10-18T05:42:42 < dongs> seems a bit autistic 2016-10-18T05:42:52 < dongs> i really dont see ANY point for designators on PCB to be arranged in any specific order 2016-10-18T05:43:02 < dongs> like, whats hte benefit here 2016-10-18T05:43:45 < aandrew> I do a lot of prototyping so it's helpful finding components 2016-10-18T05:43:51 < aandrew> I don't like to look it up in altium 2016-10-18T05:43:55 < dongs> you know whats helpful finding components? 2016-10-18T05:43:56 < aandrew> although I like assembly drawings 2016-10-18T05:44:01 < LeelooMinai> I imagine it's faster to scan the board this way. 2016-10-18T05:44:11 < LeelooMinai> Scan visually for a component, that is. 2016-10-18T05:44:14 < dongs> right click part, find similar, select teh value, they all get highlighted. 2016-10-18T05:44:21 < aandrew> I just haven't gotten to the point where I use them a lot yet and most of my footprints don't have .Designator on them yet 2016-10-18T05:44:31 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: exactly 2016-10-18T05:44:39 < aandrew> I do admit it's a bit OCD 2016-10-18T05:44:49 < dongs> i just dont think it helps anything 2016-10-18T05:44:56 < dongs> i dont see how it helps FINDING componetns either 2016-10-18T05:45:04 < dongs> its not like parts placed nearby will be same values? 2016-10-18T05:45:19 < dongs> like im trying to understand what problem this will solve and im not seeing it 2016-10-18T05:45:19 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: I must say I don't use designators too, though - but my boards are tiny and use a lot of 0402 components - there's no room really, so I just use Altium when searching for something. 2016-10-18T05:45:29 < aandrew> dongs: it's not about values, it's about designators 2016-10-18T05:45:31 < jadew> in KiCAD when you click a component in the schematic it brings it in the center of the screen on the PCB 2016-10-18T05:45:34 < jadew> and vice versa 2016-10-18T05:45:39 < aandrew> yeah I try to stick to 0805 2016-10-18T05:45:40 < dongs> jadew: altidumb does that too 2016-10-18T05:45:45 < aandrew> but I"m getting to the point where some of hte stuff I do is 0402 2016-10-18T05:45:53 < aandrew> that second board I linked would have been a lot easier in 0402 2016-10-18T05:45:58 < aandrew> and you can't really use designators in 0402 2016-10-18T05:46:01 < aandrew> 0603 is even tough 2016-10-18T05:46:04 < dongs> click a part on sch, it will select it on pcb, you can select a few and they'll all get highlighted 2016-10-18T05:46:14 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Well, 0805 just don't do it when you have, say, bga and needs lots of decoupling caps (like big mcu or FPGA). 2016-10-18T05:46:15 < aandrew> dongs: yes, I like to do it without the computer 2016-10-18T05:46:16 < dongs> R2COM: yeah cuz allegro is the pinnacle of unusable PCB layout soft 2016-10-18T05:46:21 < dongs> aandrew: k weirdo 2016-10-18T05:46:24 < aandrew> lol 2016-10-18T05:46:43 < dongs> aandrew: i dont think i ever made a board with 0805 passives that were smaller than 10uF 2016-10-18T05:46:50 < dongs> like, all my boards are 0402 or 0603 2016-10-18T05:46:55 < dongs> theres defintely no space for designators 2016-10-18T05:47:05 < dongs> especailyl when you have grids and grids of caps/R/swhatever 2016-10-18T05:47:24 < dongs> like, i could od something using empty space and draw a callout 2016-10-18T05:47:31 < dongs> like you see on some boards but fuuuck that 2016-10-18T05:47:38 < aandrew> I love altium's egr, egl, egc/egv 2016-10-18T05:47:59 < dongs> i never figurd out hwo that works 2016-10-18T05:49:43 < dongs> does it use grid for that? 2016-10-18T05:49:46 < LeelooMinai> It aligns to the most external component in the choosen direction. 2016-10-18T05:49:53 < LeelooMinai> O, wait, forgot dongs has me on ignore... 2016-10-18T05:51:16 < aandrew> englishman: yeah, that's assembly layer stuff 2016-10-18T05:51:21 < aandrew> with the .Designator text string 2016-10-18T05:51:32 < aandrew> dongs: nope it's totally off grid 2016-10-18T05:51:39 < dongs> oh fuck off then 2016-10-18T05:52:19 < dongs> everything on my boards is 0.1mm aligned or I ocd all over the keyboard 2016-10-18T05:52:29 < aandrew> dongs: you select 2 or more thiings you want to move, then egr/egl/egt/egb to align all of them to right/left/top/bottom, egc/egv centers on horiz/vert (it waits for you to click on WHICH "thing"'s horizontal/vertical to make them all match 2016-10-18T05:52:37 < dongs> when picknplace export doesn't have excatly single digit after floating point, i rage and fix 2016-10-18T05:52:49 < aandrew> I generally stick to 0.25mm place grid and 0.1mm route grid unless something needs a nudge 2016-10-18T05:53:10 < rajkosto> aandrew, the thing is, don't you need to know the component label in order to space out the components so you have enough silkscreen space anyway ? 2016-10-18T05:53:29 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-18T05:53:35 < dongs> well, i export as metric 2016-10-18T05:53:46 < dongs> i think it has inch trash but i never tried it 2016-10-18T05:53:49 < dongs> why would y ou use anything else? 2016-10-18T05:54:01 < dongs> inches are fuckign retarded 2016-10-18T05:54:31 < ReadErr> altium really fucked me when when they changed the special strings layer shit 2016-10-18T05:54:40 < ReadErr> before you had to have a top/bottom layer 2016-10-18T05:54:44 < dongs> route is mil 2016-10-18T05:54:48 < dongs> via sizes are mm 2016-10-18T05:54:55 < dongs> clearances/spacing is mil 2016-10-18T05:55:00 < dongs> component grid is mm 2016-10-18T05:55:37 < dongs> special strings layer wat 2016-10-18T05:55:38 < ReadErr> i use mils for traces and shit 2016-10-18T05:55:47 < ReadErr> dongs: yea like .Designator 2016-10-18T05:55:53 < dongs> you mean it affected your one-off hobby-use personal quick hack projects taht you totally dont massproduce? 2016-10-18T05:55:59 < ReadErr> in a release they changed it so it broke shit 2016-10-18T05:56:01 < dongs> i never used that faggot shit god damn 2016-10-18T05:56:11 < ReadErr> its handy for printing out assembly things 2016-10-18T05:56:26 < dongs> yeea so is sticking desginators on a fucking assembly layer 2016-10-18T05:56:59 < aandrew> rajkosto: my workflow is place, then {place,route}x100000000, then turn off top/bottom, turn on soldermask and make sure all my vias are tented, then turn on top/bottom silk and make sure everything is 25mil/6mil, then leaving only top/top mask on and doing silk placement. repeat for bottom, reannotate and tweak it 2016-10-18T05:57:20 < aandrew> < englishman> dono pcb shit is already a canadian-style mishmash 2016-10-18T05:57:22 < aandrew> amen to that 2016-10-18T05:57:49 < dongs> just hit shift-s in this chats to try and see whats going on behind teh scenes 2016-10-18T05:58:20 < rajkosto> aandrew, i found taht i had no place to put silkscreen labels unless i was aware of them the entire time through 2016-10-18T05:58:31 < aandrew> rajkosto: I don't worry about that 2016-10-18T05:58:40 < aandrew> see the two gerblooks above ot see how it generally works out 2016-10-18T05:58:47 < aandrew> in the really dense areas it sucks 2016-10-18T05:58:58 < aandrew> but like dongs said, that's where you start using an assembly layer and just not worrying about it 2016-10-18T05:59:40 < aandrew> now 2016-10-18T05:59:48 < aandrew> I forgot to change the footprint for that big fucking SOM in the middle of the first board 2016-10-18T06:00:11 < aandrew> my pads were put down on 0.66mm grid, when it's really 0.6556 and yes that makes a difference 2016-10-18T06:00:18 < aandrew> not much, but enough to be a pain in the ass to solder 2016-10-18T06:00:26 < ReadErr> In Altium Designer 16, the Include Components options were changed from being side-of-board oriented (Top, Bottom & Double Sided), to being component-oriented (Surface-mount & Through-hole). This change introduces the requirement that mechanical layers used in footprints must be paired, if those layers are used to produce printouts. Refer to the PCB Printout 2016-10-18T06:00:26 < ReadErr> Improvements page for more information about this change. 2016-10-18T06:00:58 < ReadErr> that 2016-10-18T06:01:03 < rajkosto> aandrew, you are using 0805 2016-10-18T06:01:12 < rajkosto> i was using 0402 mainly 2016-10-18T06:01:25 < rajkosto> if you pack those too dense it makes hand soldering/placing them really hard 2016-10-18T06:01:33 < ReadErr> pssshhh 2016-10-18T06:01:33 < rajkosto> and no space for designators 2016-10-18T06:01:44 < ReadErr> designators on silk looks trashy 2016-10-18T06:01:52 < rajkosto> ReadErr, look at apple over here 2016-10-18T06:01:59 < rajkosto> you gonna make black pcbs too ? 2016-10-18T06:02:08 < ReadErr> ? 2016-10-18T06:02:26 < rajkosto> apple is famous for using black no silkscreen pcbs 2016-10-18T06:02:35 < ReadErr> silkscreen is fine 2016-10-18T06:02:45 < ReadErr> but having C12 R23 all over the place is meh 2016-10-18T06:02:53 < rajkosto> it helps a lot during hand placement. 2016-10-18T06:03:15 < ReadErr> so does printing it out 2016-10-18T06:03:19 < rajkosto> nope 2016-10-18T06:03:24 < ReadErr> and I can label what each part is 2016-10-18T06:03:25 < dongs> if you have a fucking computer in front of you 2016-10-18T06:03:26 < ReadErr> like 100nF 2016-10-18T06:03:28 < dongs> thres no reason to print shit out 2016-10-18T06:03:36 < rajkosto> dongs, i like matching the thing on the computer to what i see on the pcb 2016-10-18T06:03:41 < rajkosto> lets you find it WAY faster 2016-10-18T06:03:44 < dongs> click on 1st 100nF, select simlar, same 100nF part, boom, you have all the caps you need to place selected 2016-10-18T06:03:45 < aandrew> ReadErr: you saying those boards above look trashy? :-) 2016-10-18T06:03:47 < dongs> done, move to next part 2016-10-18T06:03:53 < rajkosto> dongs, yep thats what i do 2016-10-18T06:03:58 < ReadErr> aandrew: didnt see anything above 2016-10-18T06:04:01 < rajkosto> i just go to schematic inspector and sort by description 2016-10-18T06:04:17 < dongs> plus y ou have a count of how MANY you need to pick 2016-10-18T06:04:20 < ReadErr> I just dont see the need for designators on silk 2016-10-18T06:04:31 < rajkosto> then i select those, then in the pcb filter i choose OnTop And Selected 2016-10-18T06:04:35 < rajkosto> and hide all the rest 2016-10-18T06:04:41 < ReadErr> also unless you are getting LPI silk 2016-10-18T06:04:41 < rajkosto> in 3d view they glow. 2016-10-18T06:04:45 < ReadErr> it will look even shittier 2016-10-18T06:05:00 < ReadErr> with the chinese cake frosting silk 2016-10-18T06:05:08 < rajkosto> the one on dirtypcbs was pretty good to me 2016-10-18T06:05:43 < dongs> lul, dirtypcbs, good, k bro 2016-10-18T06:05:45 < dongs> i believe you 2016-10-18T06:05:51 < ReadErr> you have low standards then 2016-10-18T06:06:27 < LeelooMinai> When I place the parts, I put one empty pcb under a glass pane, then generate BOM from Altium and have the spreasheet generate Altium select query in one column, like here (column M): http://i.imgur.com/cRBr1iM.png 2016-10-18T06:07:14 < LeelooMinai> Then pre-place the parts on the glass plane and when I have pcb with paste applied ready, I quickly move the parts from the pane to the pcb - no need to look up anything at this stage. 2016-10-18T06:07:53 < LeelooMinai> I also used to do this: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/16531990095 2016-10-18T06:08:04 < LeelooMinai> But now I would just put a pcb under there. 2016-10-18T06:08:50 < LeelooMinai> The point being that searching for parts when the paste dries is bad:) 2016-10-18T06:11:13 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/6FelDOq.jpg mmm 2016-10-18T06:11:15 < dongs> zano 2016-10-18T06:11:39 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/fPbnq7b.jpg 2016-10-18T06:11:47 < dongs> loved that setup 2016-10-18T06:11:53 < stvn> wattafuck 2016-10-18T06:12:07 < dongs> led matrix without resistors 2016-10-18T06:12:15 < dongs> englishman: yea thats the zano front led 2016-10-18T06:12:30 < dongs> and driven byDSPIC24 2016-10-18T06:12:57 < dongs> wonder how many alyers 2016-10-18T06:12:57 < LeelooMinai> FPGA asks to be used there. 2016-10-18T06:12:59 < dongs> i guess 4 at least 2016-10-18T06:13:41 < stvn> a filthy artifact 2016-10-18T06:13:55 < dongs> man that pic is from a year ago 2016-10-18T06:14:02 < dongs> englishman: i think they'er all on the edges 2016-10-18T06:15:18 < stvn> what a fucken dog 2016-10-18T06:15:49 < dongs> handsoldered by ivan 2016-10-18T06:15:52 < dongs> at $130/hr 2016-10-18T06:17:36 < rajkosto> so the best i can get out of this 400MHz ARM toggling a clk pin is 2MHz 2016-10-18T06:17:50 < dongs> you win the internet 2016-10-18T06:18:00 < dongs> old arm wasnt exactly well known for lighting fast GPIO 2016-10-18T06:18:03 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: o_O? 2016-10-18T06:18:41 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: heh when I do it I print out the BOM and use a pen to cross off parts as I place them 2016-10-18T06:19:12 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Well, I just use highlight background button in the spreadsheet - same effect, but no tree dies:) 2016-10-18T06:19:23 < aandrew> I will take the 10k resistor strip and count out 10 of them or whatever and then I know I didn't forget any when all ten are gone from the "to place" pile 2016-10-18T06:20:04 < rajkosto> LeelooMinai, https://images.sshnuke.net/2016-10-18_05-20-02.png 2016-10-18T06:20:08 < LeelooMinai> But you do that directly to the paste? 2016-10-18T06:20:20 < rajkosto> LeelooMinai, i did 2016-10-18T06:20:22 < rajkosto> was fine 2016-10-18T06:20:40 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: And that takes 200 cycles? ... 2016-10-18T06:20:48 < rajkosto> i dunno lol 2016-10-18T06:20:53 < rajkosto> but the pin is toggling at 2MHz 2016-10-18T06:21:25 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: What is that BIC there for? 2016-10-18T06:21:53 < rajkosto> reads value from mmio, clears the top 4 bits, then inverts bit 0, then stores value back to mmio 2016-10-18T06:22:03 < rajkosto> the clearing is required for it to know there is a "new value" 2016-10-18T06:22:21 < LeelooMinai> It clears the top 1 bit imo 2016-10-18T06:22:30 < rajkosto> yes that 2016-10-18T06:22:30 < rajkosto> sry 2016-10-18T06:22:53 < rajkosto> its what the official gpio set function does 2016-10-18T06:22:57 < rajkosto> so i assume its required 2016-10-18T06:23:12 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, so I don't know, but something's wrong - that should take 10 cycles maybe, not 200... 2016-10-18T06:23:51 < LeelooMinai> Do you have the pin set to fast mode, etc.? 2016-10-18T06:24:54 < LeelooMinai> For such fast toggling it may need large drive currents. 2016-10-18T06:26:36 < dongs> rajkosto: do you value your time on irc 2016-10-18T06:26:40 < rajkosto> no 2016-10-18T06:26:41 < rajkosto> like you 2016-10-18T06:27:30 < dongs> o k 2016-10-18T06:27:55 < rajkosto> sorry, its 200MHz 2016-10-18T06:28:00 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: Dongs is an idiot - he put me on ignore, so now he thinks you are talking to yourself... 2016-10-18T06:28:01 < rajkosto> minimum divider is 2 2016-10-18T06:29:13 < rajkosto> The MMIO 2016-10-18T06:29:13 < rajkosto> interconnect runs at 100 MHz and has a single 32-bit bus for all register accesses. 2016-10-18T06:29:25 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: I don't think you need to load the previous value from the reg - just put 1 in the bit then 0 in a loop. 2016-10-18T06:29:49 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: Also, if your ARm supports bit-banding, you can do that just be poking one address. 2016-10-18T06:30:30 < LeelooMinai> With bit banding bits in peripheral space are mapped to whole words - since with 32 bits they can spare address space blocks this way. 2016-10-18T06:30:55 < LeelooMinai> This way you don't have to worry what other bits are set to in the register, you just work with one bit - it's perfect for fast toggling like that. 2016-10-18T06:30:59 < rajkosto> i think thats only on cortex 2016-10-18T06:31:05 < rajkosto> not ARM926EJ-S 2016-10-18T06:31:25 < rajkosto> cortex-m* 2016-10-18T06:31:41 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, maybe - I guess for bigger ARMs they may want to keep as large the address space as possible. 2016-10-18T06:32:23 < rajkosto> i can change the IO strength 2016-10-18T06:32:37 < LeelooMinai> Right, so maybe that's the fastest, but still - should be much faster so check gpio conf. 2016-10-18T06:34:30 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: Also, it's for testing only, right? Because it will never exit this loop... 2016-10-18T06:34:34 < rajkosto> yes 2016-10-18T06:34:41 < rajkosto> to toggle a pin as fast as possiburu 2016-10-18T06:34:42 < LeelooMinai> lol, ok, just checking 2016-10-18T06:35:39 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: How do you check the speed of the toggle? 2016-10-18T06:35:43 < rajkosto> logic analyzer 2016-10-18T06:35:47 < rajkosto> running at 100MHz 2016-10-18T06:36:01 < LeelooMinai> A, ok, that should be fine, well, more or less 2016-10-18T06:36:02 < dongs> maybe its actually toggling at 200 2016-10-18T06:36:08 < dongs> and youre getting aliased results 2016-10-18T06:36:14 < rajkosto> nope 2016-10-18T06:36:24 < dongs> is it Logic16 2016-10-18T06:36:37 < rajkosto> its the dangerous prototypes one 2016-10-18T06:37:02 < rajkosto> the max it can toggle is 50MHz due to bus running at 100MHz and im doing a read and a write 2016-10-18T06:37:02 < dongs> buttpirate? 2016-10-18T06:37:04 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: If the LA shows regular clock cycles, it's probably fine 2016-10-18T06:37:11 < rajkosto> yes its very regular 2016-10-18T06:37:24 < rajkosto> i just sampled at 200, same 2016-10-18T06:37:38 < LeelooMinai> Right, so I doubt it's wrong. 100MHz should show that loop reasonably. 2016-10-18T06:37:53 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: Did you check that the clock is running at what speed you think it's running? 2016-10-18T06:38:06 < rajkosto> yes, it has a function for that, keeps telling me 400 2016-10-18T06:38:25 < rajkosto> all the dividers are set to their minimum value 2016-10-18T06:38:37 < rajkosto> http://www.cypress.com/file/134661/download 50MB technical reference if you care 2016-10-18T06:38:55 < LeelooMinai> lol... no thx:p 2016-10-18T06:39:01 < dongs> is this fx3 2016-10-18T06:39:05 < dongs> before i click on it 2016-10-18T06:39:06 < rajkosto> yes 2016-10-18T06:39:11 < dongs> aids. 2016-10-18T06:39:17 < rajkosto> i like fx3 2016-10-18T06:39:18 < dongs> skipped that cuz no closedszxource toolchain supports it 2016-10-18T06:39:24 < stvn> https://youtu.be/kdjfW9fZLPM?t=2m50s 2016-10-18T06:39:24 < dongs> fuck gcc and all related shit 2016-10-18T06:40:20 < LeelooMinai> stvn: That's not staged at all... 2016-10-18T06:44:35 < aandrew> stupid shit 2016-10-18T06:45:55 < aandrew> https://news.developer.nvidia.com/autonomous-drone-hunts-down-rogue-drones-from-the-sky/ 2016-10-18T06:45:58 < aandrew> nice 2016-10-18T06:46:27 < LeelooMinai> I knew that - drone wars were coming. 2016-10-18T06:46:51 < jadew> I was thinking of something like this too 2016-10-18T06:47:21 < jadew> you can build a cool quadcopter that steals other people quads :D 2016-10-18T06:47:30 < jadew> *people's 2016-10-18T06:47:53 < LeelooMinai> Isn't there a competition yet where they let two drones fight (without people controlling them)? Something like Robot Wars but for quadcopters:) 2016-10-18T06:47:59 < jadew> "Next time use a regular camera to film the wedding, suckers!" 2016-10-18T06:48:46 < LeelooMinai> Well, next time they may use a drone that has counter-measures... 2016-10-18T06:49:31 < LeelooMinai> Lasert the other out of the sky:) 2016-10-18T06:49:34 < LeelooMinai> Laser* 2016-10-18T06:54:08 < dongs> lol chinese plastic trash made it so easy now every no-skill fucktard thinks hes a pro drone operator 2016-10-18T06:54:18 < dongs> until the shit crashes on someones head and scalps them 2016-10-18T06:55:41 < stvn> china all the time 2016-10-18T06:56:39 < stvn> i have to return some video tapes 2016-10-18T06:58:23 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:291f:2113:f128:769e] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T07:07:01 < rajkosto> LeelooMinai, doing zero 5 times and then 1 5 times in a loop gets me 400KHz tho 2016-10-18T07:07:15 < rajkosto> is the arm core in low power mode or something i dunno 2016-10-18T07:08:00 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: Does it have MCO pin? If so, you could use that with LA to verify what's going on in time. 2016-10-18T07:08:15 < rajkosto> no and its not on my board anyway 2016-10-18T07:09:37 < rajkosto> it will take so long to readout 16GB at 1MHz :D 2016-10-18T07:09:40 < rajkosto> but eh 2016-10-18T07:09:44 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, then I don't know - store some tick register value in ram each time you loop, say 3 times, and then examine the values or something like that. 2016-10-18T07:10:20 < LeelooMinai> There must be something on that ARM that increments with time... 2016-10-18T07:11:11 < LeelooMinai> Or make 1 mil loops and then blink a led or toggle a pin - see if the total time on the LA is and divide per 1 mil 2016-10-18T07:11:25 < LeelooMinai> divide by* 2016-10-18T07:11:51 < LeelooMinai> Then you will have 1 loop cycle time 2016-10-18T07:12:05 < LeelooMinai> Try it without the gpio stuff and then with and compare 2016-10-18T07:12:16 < LeelooMinai> See if adding gpio makes it horrible. 2016-10-18T07:12:17 < rajkosto> too much work 2016-10-18T07:12:25 < rajkosto> ill just roll with this 2016-10-18T07:12:30 < LeelooMinai> lol, looping 1mil times is not much work... 2016-10-18T07:12:35 < LeelooMinai> Quitter! 2016-10-18T07:13:42 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: Toggle a pin -> loop 1 mil times -> toggle pin again, look at LA, done. 2016-10-18T07:13:48 < rajkosto> fiine 2016-10-18T07:16:30 < rajkosto> 260ns 2016-10-18T07:16:53 < LeelooMinai> With gpio stuff? 2016-10-18T07:16:59 < rajkosto> just the million 2016-10-18T07:17:14 < LeelooMinai> Now put the gpui stuff inside and time again 2016-10-18T07:17:19 < LeelooMinai> gpio* 2016-10-18T07:17:24 < rajkosto> let me check it didnt optimize the for loop 2016-10-18T07:17:53 < rajkosto> it did 2016-10-18T07:18:05 < LeelooMinai> Use -G0? 2016-10-18T07:18:14 < rajkosto> nah ill just make it volatile 2016-10-18T07:19:19 < LeelooMinai> Right, it probably is not running at 4THz... 2016-10-18T07:20:35 < rajkosto> its so long my LA ran out of space 2016-10-18T07:21:15 < rajkosto> 56ms 2016-10-18T07:21:57 < LeelooMinai> That's 17MHz rate 2016-10-18T07:22:12 < LeelooMinai> That's with gpio? 2016-10-18T07:22:21 < rajkosto> no thats just 2016-10-18T07:22:29 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2016-10-18_06-22-28.png 2016-10-18T07:22:35 < LeelooMinai> Try with gpio too. 2016-10-18T07:22:49 < LeelooMinai> At least you will see if there's much diff 2016-10-18T07:22:58 < rajkosto> well it will be like double slower 2016-10-18T07:23:32 < LeelooMinai> No matter - try it. If it's a little more, you will know that your clock is slower than you think 2016-10-18T07:26:17 < rajkosto> it toggling the thing is making my LA buffer get filled up 2016-10-18T07:26:36 < LeelooMinai> Lessen the sampling rate?\ 2016-10-18T07:26:41 < rajkosto> nah i just disconnected that pin 2016-10-18T07:26:53 < LeelooMinai> It has RLE? 2016-10-18T07:27:06 < rajkosto> yes 2016-10-18T07:27:50 < rajkosto> with toggling: 351ms 2016-10-18T07:27:57 < rajkosto> without: 55ms 2016-10-18T07:28:22 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2016-10-18_06-28-20.png this in debug mode 2016-10-18T07:28:26 < LeelooMinai> Ok, that's brutal. Maybe check of the bus to GPIO on this ARM is not crippled by some setting 2016-10-18T07:28:35 < rajkosto> what if i do it in release tho 2016-10-18T07:29:55 < dongs> wow man 2016-10-18T07:29:59 < dongs> if you put that all on one line 2016-10-18T07:30:01 < dongs> it will SURELY be even faster 2016-10-18T07:30:04 < dongs> and less spaces too 2016-10-18T07:30:12 < dongs> ive seen it happen before 2016-10-18T07:30:27 < rajkosto> LeelooMinai, 260ms toggling in release 2016-10-18T07:30:40 < rajkosto> dongs, the hell are you talking about 2016-10-18T07:30:56 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: Right, so that means that access to GPIO is slow. 2016-10-18T07:32:16 < stvn> this channel has turned into a looney bin 2016-10-18T07:32:55 < LeelooMinai> This channel was a nut-fest from the beginning imo:p 2016-10-18T07:33:08 < LeelooMinai> So, don't pretend now it somehow happened:) 2016-10-18T07:36:06 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: Did you care of this? "All simple GPIOs function (are updated or sampled) based on a separate clock, which is also derived from the FAST clock. The frequency of this clock is determined by the simpleDiv value." 2016-10-18T07:36:13 < LeelooMinai> Did you take care of* 2016-10-18T07:36:47 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: + this I guess: "The FAST clock is derived from the FX3 system clock, and its frequency is determined by the clkSrc and fastClkDiv parameters. " 2016-10-18T07:37:07 < LeelooMinai> So I would check those two xxxDiv parameters 2016-10-18T07:39:29 < dongs> rajkosto: your code 2016-10-18T07:39:39 < dongs> it gets faster the mroe you put on one line 2016-10-18T07:39:44 < dongs> for example 2016-10-18T07:40:00 < dongs> for(i=0;i<10000;i++){cocks();} is way faster than 2016-10-18T07:40:12 < dongs> for (i = 0; i < 10000; i++) { 2016-10-18T07:40:15 < dongs> cocks(); 2016-10-18T07:40:15 < dongs> } 2016-10-18T07:40:17 < LeelooMinai> I wonder if dongs found anything positive in anyone on IRC throughout his lifetime... 2016-10-18T07:40:25 < LeelooMinai> ... probably not. 2016-10-18T07:41:16 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-18T07:41:35 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T07:41:44 < LeelooMinai> Dongs Wrongs - The Saga Continues 2016-10-18T07:43:03 < dongs> each extra space adds a _NOP in the compiler output, that even a decompiler can't see 2016-10-18T07:43:09 < dongs> its hidden until the code actually runs 2016-10-18T07:43:15 < stvn> :] 2016-10-18T07:44:05 < LeelooMinai> I think dongs may be worse than Cartman from South Park 2016-10-18T07:48:14 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T07:51:34 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-18T07:51:37 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-18T07:54:49 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-18T07:55:00 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T08:12:07 < rajkosto> LeelooMinai, is 55ms okay for million ? 2016-10-18T08:12:59 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: It's 18MHz or so - if you toggle gpio, I guess that's reasonable 2016-10-18T08:13:16 < rajkosto> it means it is 55ns per loop, for 7 instructions 2016-10-18T08:13:29 < dongs> you're making a big mistake 2016-10-18T08:13:32 < dongs> rajkosto 2016-10-18T08:13:44 < rajkosto> no dongs, you are the mistake 2016-10-18T08:13:47 < rajkosto> and then dongs was a zombie 2016-10-18T08:13:48 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: That's with GPIO access? 2016-10-18T08:13:50 < dongs> nah 2016-10-18T08:13:53 < rajkosto> no, without 2016-10-18T08:14:08 < dongs> the mistake you're making is chatting with a well-known channel autism spreading entity 2016-10-18T08:15:19 < rajkosto> 200MHz is 5ns, 7 instructions at 5ns would be 35, its close enough, considering there's a branch 2016-10-18T08:15:36 < rajkosto> all the dividers are set to their minimal values LeelooMinai 2016-10-18T08:16:12 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: Right, but it's weird that with GPIO access it suddenly get's 10 times workse 2016-10-18T08:16:19 < LeelooMinai> worse* 2016-10-18T08:16:19 < rajkosto> 5 times 2016-10-18T08:16:20 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-18T08:19:16 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: Did you read this? http://www.cypress.com/forum/usb-known-problems-and-solutions/gpio-toggling-frequency-related 2016-10-18T08:19:18 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T08:20:42 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: I don't know if PWM mode would work for you... maybe? 2016-10-18T08:21:27 < rajkosto> well i could totally use the toggle mode for clk 2016-10-18T08:21:39 < rajkosto> as then it could toggle automatically, i just issue it once 2016-10-18T08:22:03 < LeelooMinai> If you have just continous stream of clock transitions it would work. 2016-10-18T08:22:20 < LeelooMinai> But what about data? 2016-10-18T08:22:22 < rajkosto> also complex gpio set might be 2x faster than normal one 2016-10-18T08:22:37 < rajkosto> LeelooMinai, no i mean i could use the pulse function to generate one rise/fall of the clock 2016-10-18T08:22:49 < rajkosto> 1 MHz is the maximum gpio toggle frequency that has been achieved with API and 2 MHz by direct register access. 2016-10-18T08:22:49 < LeelooMinai> A, right, yes 2016-10-18T08:22:53 < rajkosto> yeah so they screwed me 2016-10-18T08:22:55 < rajkosto> i can do 2MHz :D 2016-10-18T08:23:37 < LeelooMinai> Maybe a little fpga could be put there, somewhere? :p 2016-10-18T08:23:44 < rajkosto> all the fpgas i have have 3.3v ipo 2016-10-18T08:23:48 < rajkosto> thats the only reason im using this thing 2016-10-18T08:24:01 < rajkosto> there's a native SPI interface on the thing i could use if i didnt wanna use 1.8v VIO 2016-10-18T08:25:18 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, kind of lame that those pins are so slow. Cypress has FPGA-like cells on some micros... 2016-10-18T08:27:42 < rajkosto> AFAIR its slower than what the 48MHz 8051 FX2LP can do via bitbangin 2016-10-18T08:28:38 < LeelooMinai> I like how they name those in docs "Low Performance Peripherals"... 2016-10-18T08:28:50 < rajkosto> their SPI can do 48MHz and more 2016-10-18T08:29:25 < rajkosto> if i was using 8bit eMMC (didnt wanna bother soldering all those balls when deadbug) i could probably just configure the GPIF and DMA it all 2016-10-18T08:32:01 < jpa-> why can't you do that for 4bit? just repack the data afterwards 2016-10-18T08:32:08 < rajkosto> i only soldered dat0 2016-10-18T08:32:14 < rajkosto> the minimum width for GPIF is 8bit 2016-10-18T08:32:19 < rajkosto> and it has to be on the correct pins 2016-10-18T08:32:28 < LeelooMinai> Cannot you discard some data? 2016-10-18T08:32:33 < rajkosto> so the result i would get in the FIFOs would be "sparse" 2016-10-18T08:33:08 < rajkosto> the gpif is a weird state machine beast i dont wanna bother with atm, but yeah, it has enough RAM where a 8x waste of bits wouldnt really be a problem 2016-10-18T08:33:29 < rajkosto> u tryin to exploit us 2016-10-18T08:34:12 < rajkosto> that url looks like an exploit url 2016-10-18T08:34:40 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, does not look like es893h35nm fldlsm,f dlfldsfmdfl ;, 2016-10-18T08:35:25 < rajkosto> now you have fecal particulate all over your keys = ew 2016-10-18T08:46:00 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.63.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-18T08:57:41 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.63.141] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T08:58:25 < dongs> i wish FX3 came in DIP 2016-10-18T08:58:30 < dongs> so I can use it wiht pro maker hardware 2016-10-18T08:58:33 < rajkosto> dongs, fucksmall BGA only 2016-10-18T08:58:41 < rajkosto> 8 layer 5/5mil pcb required 2016-10-18T08:58:49 < dongs> bullshit. 2016-10-18T08:58:57 < rajkosto> no bullshit 2016-10-18T08:58:59 < dongs> i have FX3 on 4L board just fine 2016-10-18T08:59:04 < rajkosto> show me 2016-10-18T08:59:54 < dongs> one min, cunt. finding project 2016-10-18T09:00:12 < ds2> dongs: do you know which is more expensive - 4/4 boards or 6layer with 6/6 spacing? 2016-10-18T09:00:23 < dongs> 4/4 is doable with standard spec as long as you dont abuse it 2016-10-18T09:00:31 < dongs> i.e. just neck it down around pins 2016-10-18T09:00:34 < dongs> and the rest of rulesa re 5/5 2016-10-18T09:00:58 < dongs> 5/5 is standard, at least with my place 2016-10-18T09:01:08 < dongs> and 4/4 is doable as long as you dont abuse it (under stame spec) 2016-10-18T09:01:09 < dongs> same 2016-10-18T09:01:12 < ds2> 4/4 w/4L I mean 2016-10-18T09:01:15 < dongs> yes 2016-10-18T09:01:25 < dongs> 4L default is hoz/1oz/1oz/hoz 2016-10-18T09:01:29 < dongs> so you can do 4/4 on top/bottom easily 2016-10-18T09:01:35 < ds2> yes but is 4/4 a lotmore expensive then adding a layer? 2016-10-18T09:01:41 < PeterM> not at all 2016-10-18T09:01:42 < dongs> no, its standard spec I just told you 2016-10-18T09:01:52 < dongs> 5/5 with neckdown to 4/4 is totally standard on 4L 2016-10-18T09:02:00 < ds2> 'k 2016-10-18T09:02:15 < ds2> breaking out 0.4mm QFNs are a pain :( 2016-10-18T09:02:19 < PeterM> most places will charge you liek $20/sqm/mil, but like $300/sqm/layer 2016-10-18T09:03:05 < PeterM> 3.5 on 0.5, 5 on 1, 8 on 2, 12 on 3 2016-10-18T09:04:12 < PeterM> ds2 what, why? 2016-10-18T09:04:36 < PeterM> any fab should be able to do that 2016-10-18T09:05:51 < dongs> rajkosto: ok, i lied. it was 6L. wahtever,m still doesnt need 8. doesnt even need 6, other shit on that board needed it 2016-10-18T09:06:10 < rajkosto> you lie 2016-10-18T09:06:15 < rajkosto> was it 5/5 or 4/4 2016-10-18T09:06:28 < dongs> 5/5 2016-10-18T09:06:31 < rajkosto> oh and that i mean full 32bit + 10 control signals 2016-10-18T09:06:34 < rajkosto> on gpif 2016-10-18T09:06:40 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/MBVTpyR.png 2016-10-18T09:07:16 < rajkosto> still probably too much for oshpark ? 2016-10-18T09:07:28 < dongs> who teh fuck uses oshfuck 2016-10-18T09:07:31 < dongs> exepte cloners 2016-10-18T09:07:33 < rajkosto> amateurs like me 2016-10-18T09:07:53 < PeterM> maybe you should reconsider where you buy broken pcbs from? 2016-10-18T09:08:13 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: Welcome to stm32bigots_and_counting :p 2016-10-18T09:08:53 < dongs> rajkosto: vias are 16/8mm 2016-10-18T09:08:56 < dongs> er mil 2016-10-18T09:09:05 < dongs> thats probly totalyl out of oshfuck reach. 2016-10-18T09:09:08 < dongs> 5/5 they might be able to do 2016-10-18T09:09:44 < LeelooMinai> Not that totally, but yes 18/10 is oshpark best 2016-10-18T09:10:43 < LeelooMinai> And oshpark is for hobbyists, not cloners - that's a retarded comment 2016-10-18T09:16:14 < dongs> anyway, i think youre just a silly troll 2016-10-18T09:16:21 < dongs> FX3, EMMC, oshpark? 2016-10-18T09:16:28 < dongs> one of those things doesnt belong there 2016-10-18T09:19:02 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-e5b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T09:21:46 < rajkosto> dongs, i have the superspeed explorer kit as the only thing that can do 1.8v IO 2016-10-18T09:21:54 < rajkosto> eMMC im just trying to recover my files, bro. 2016-10-18T09:22:37 < dongs> errr 2016-10-18T09:22:39 < dongs> for fucks sake 2016-10-18T09:23:01 < dongs> http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/1829459223_1/eMMC-Socket-with-USB-Apply-to-eMMC-size-11-5x13-0-5-For-BGA153-and-BGA.jpg 2016-10-18T09:23:04 < dongs> are like $30 2016-10-18T09:23:07 < dongs> these things from china 2016-10-18T09:23:08 < dongs> you pop the fucking emmc in 2016-10-18T09:23:12 < dongs> even if its deballed 2016-10-18T09:23:14 < dongs> and it reads the shit 2016-10-18T09:23:23 < rajkosto> it doesnt fit my "wide" emmc 2016-10-18T09:23:27 < rajkosto> its for the square ones 2016-10-18T09:23:28 < dongs> then get one that does 2016-10-18T09:23:32 < dongs> it has a socket for a reason 2016-10-18T09:23:32 < rajkosto> either way 2016-10-18T09:23:34 < rajkosto> i dont wanna 2016-10-18T09:23:35 < dongs> they come in both versiosn 2016-10-18T09:23:38 < rajkosto> the sockets are actually expensive 2016-10-18T09:23:44 < rajkosto> i dont wanna wait 3 weeks, i wanna do it now 2016-10-18T09:23:45 < dongs> i paid less than 30 for entire thing 2016-10-18T09:23:46 < dongs> k 2016-10-18T09:23:48 < dongs> GOOD LUCK 2016-10-18T09:23:51 < rajkosto> yas 2016-10-18T09:23:55 < rajkosto> its edumacational. 2016-10-18T09:24:12 < dongs> so far i only see you jerking off 2016-10-18T09:24:28 < rajkosto> and what are you doing 2016-10-18T09:24:29 < dongs> if recovery was your only purpose you';d just run that shit off 3.3V like a good boy, hook it up to SDIO on cheapest STM32, and been done wiht it ages ago 2016-10-18T09:24:29 < rajkosto> watching me jerk off 2016-10-18T09:24:44 < dongs> emmc runs off 3.3V just fine 2016-10-18T09:24:46 < rajkosto> the reason i dont wanna 3.3v it is i dont want my files exploded 2016-10-18T09:24:59 < dongs> http://rere.qmqm.pl/~mirq/JESD84-A44.pdf 2016-10-18T09:25:06 < rajkosto> core is 2.7-3.6v but VIO on the phone itself was 1.8v 2016-10-18T09:25:19 < jadew> what does the datasheet say? 2016-10-18T09:25:21 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T09:25:23 < dongs> VCCq is either 3.3 or 1.8 2016-10-18T09:25:26 < rajkosto> jadew, cant find the one for my exact chip 2016-10-18T09:25:30 < jadew> btw, what happened, you dropped your phone in the toilet? 2016-10-18T09:25:33 < rajkosto> similar ones had a weird slash 2016-10-18T09:25:36 < rajkosto> jadew, its a samsung 2016-10-18T09:25:40 < rajkosto> so it just stops working after some years. 2016-10-18T09:25:51 < dongs> youre in slovenia, just take it to some indian shop 2016-10-18T09:25:56 < dongs> who'll plug it into that usb adpater 2016-10-18T09:25:59 < dongs> and recover it for you for $5 2016-10-18T09:26:11 < rajkosto> dongs, too easy m8 2016-10-18T09:39:57 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T09:41:13 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-18T09:41:25 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-18T09:50:25 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:291f:2113:f128:769e] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-18T09:51:39 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:291f:2113:f128:769e] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T09:53:42 < rajkosto> dongs, my card doesnt seem to be responding anyhow 2016-10-18T09:55:32 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-e5b8d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-18T09:58:48 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-18T10:32:48 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T10:43:45 -!- Amperture [~Amp@24-136-5-183.c3-0.fld-ubr1.chi-fld.il.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-18T10:51:47 -!- Amperture [~Amp@24-136-5-183.c3-0.fld-ubr1.chi-fld.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T10:55:24 < ReadErr> http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/17/politics/melania-trump-interview/index.html 2016-10-18T10:55:27 < ReadErr> god shes so dumb 2016-10-18T10:55:52 < ReadErr> shifty eyes 2016-10-18T10:57:17 -!- PaulFertser [paul@2001:470:26:54b:260:98ff:feef:cb79] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-18T10:57:28 -!- PaulFertser [paul@2001:470:26:54b:260:98ff:feef:cb79] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T11:01:48 -!- Amperture [~Amp@24-136-5-183.c3-0.fld-ubr1.chi-fld.il.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-18T11:03:16 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T11:06:32 -!- Amperture [~Amp@24-136-5-183.c3-0.fld-ubr1.chi-fld.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T11:12:44 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.224] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T11:18:31 -!- Amperture [~Amp@24-136-5-183.c3-0.fld-ubr1.chi-fld.il.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-18T11:21:34 -!- Amperture [~Amp@24-136-5-183.c3-0.fld-ubr1.chi-fld.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T11:27:26 < ReadErr> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/shep-smith-fox-news-interview_us_5800f0d1e4b06e0475944919? 2016-10-18T11:27:33 < ReadErr> this highlight reel lul 2016-10-18T11:29:27 -!- danielinux [sbnc@fosdem/staff/danielinux] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-18T11:31:22 < stvn> cheese 2016-10-18T11:38:01 -!- danielinux [sbnc@danielinux.default.trexotech.uk0.bigv.io] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T11:38:04 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T11:38:14 -!- danielinux [sbnc@danielinux.default.trexotech.uk0.bigv.io] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-18T11:38:14 -!- danielinux [sbnc@fosdem/staff/danielinux] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T11:40:10 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:291f:2113:f128:769e] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-18T11:42:21 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T11:48:27 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-18T11:51:26 < ReadErr> not seen yet no 2016-10-18T12:08:50 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-18T12:34:22 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T12:34:22 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-18T12:34:34 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ is now known as Mr_Sheesh 2016-10-18T13:23:22 < rajkosto> dongs, why would they bother separating out the power supplies if both 1.8v and 3.3v can be 3.3v ? http://s1294.photobucket.com/user/Irfan3451/media/attachment_zps688673f6.jpg.html 2016-10-18T13:26:59 < rajkosto> " In addition to the packaging differences, e•MMC devices use a reduced-voltage interface." 2016-10-18T13:29:00 < dongs> photobucket? what the fuck is this 1996? 2016-10-18T13:29:24 -!- goebish [~goebish@ns369919.ip-91-121-205.eu] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T13:29:37 -!- goebish [~goebish@ns369919.ip-91-121-205.eu] has left ##stm32 [] 2016-10-18T13:29:51 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2016-10-18_12-29-46.png also vccq here is noticably lower 2016-10-18T13:33:37 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2016-10-18_12-33-29.png core regulator might be missing 2016-10-18T13:49:31 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-18T13:51:10 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-102-211.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T13:54:01 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T13:54:33 < ReadErr> http://thenextweb.com/artificial-intelligence/2016/10/18/study-bots-accounted-for-a-third-of-all-pro-trump-twitter-activity-during-the-debate/ 2016-10-18T13:54:55 -!- extor [~extor@unaffiliated/extor] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T14:00:08 < dongs> wtf there's a stm32 iunside this 5port gige hub 2016-10-18T14:01:45 < ReadErr> they still make hubs? 2016-10-18T14:04:48 < dongs> as opposed to waht? 2016-10-18T14:05:57 < ReadErr> switch 2016-10-18T14:05:59 < Fleck> ehh, ST....: "In USART mode, the Get-Version command (defined in AN3155) returns 0x20 instead of 0x20." 2016-10-18T14:21:44 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-102-211.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-18T14:22:49 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T14:25:03 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-18T14:30:59 < Laurenceb_> https://politics.slashdot.org/story/16/10/17/2320209/anti-defamation-league-and-pepe-the-frogs-creator-are-teaming-up-to-save-pepe-from-hate-symbol-status 2016-10-18T14:31:48 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-18T14:32:14 < dongs> since when does slashdot publish retarded shit 2016-10-18T14:33:10 < Laurenceb_> since 2016-10-18T14:33:21 < Laurenceb_> current year is batshit insane year 2016-10-18T14:44:15 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-102-211.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T14:44:20 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T14:44:51 < sync> dongs: why not 2016-10-18T14:46:13 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-18T14:49:13 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-18T14:59:26 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T15:29:18 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/paGx2O.jpg 2016-10-18T15:40:33 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.224] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-18T15:44:16 -!- _franck__ [527f6536@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.127.101.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-18T15:58:04 < Ecco> Hmm, I'm having a weird Altium issue 2016-10-18T15:58:10 < Ecco> I'm trying to add a clearance rule based on track width 2016-10-18T15:58:33 < Ecco> I'm using "IsTrack AND Width > 0.4" 2016-10-18T15:58:41 < Ecco> and the rule matches 0.75mm tracks but not 0.5mm ones 2016-10-18T15:59:05 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T16:03:51 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-18T16:06:39 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T16:12:40 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2016-10-18T16:14:01 < Ecco> Ok I was missing an AsMM() 2016-10-18T16:15:07 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T16:25:40 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-102-211.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-18T16:38:26 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T16:45:24 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-18T16:56:00 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-18T16:58:07 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T17:22:26 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T17:28:37 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-18T17:29:51 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T17:30:17 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-18T17:30:43 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T17:32:48 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-18T17:34:11 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.133.218] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T17:35:13 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T17:35:13 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-18T17:47:37 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.63.141] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-18T17:47:47 -!- _franck__ [527f6536@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.127.101.54] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T17:52:24 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.133.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-18T17:56:36 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.37.58] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T18:21:56 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T18:24:20 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T18:25:42 < BenderTheMan> What would you suggest to use if I want to store some variables, like 10-20 bytes on the micro? Use emulated EEPROM or something else? 2016-10-18T18:26:19 < BenderTheMan> or is there an nonvolatile area that I can read/write from program on STM32F030? 2016-10-18T18:28:28 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-18T18:28:39 < dongs> just use last flash page 2016-10-18T18:28:43 < dongs> at the end of flash 2016-10-18T18:29:12 < dongs> take it out of your code size/linker script 2016-10-18T18:29:13 < dongs> then ErasePage, store shit there 2016-10-18T18:29:30 < dongs> to read, just struct blah *foo = flash_address 2016-10-18T18:29:34 < dongs> and foo->whatever. 2016-10-18T18:31:05 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T18:36:24 < BenderTheMan> dongs: I would mostly read it, but I also need way to write to that address too :\ 2016-10-18T18:38:50 < dongs> yes so 2016-10-18T18:38:52 < dongs> like i said 2016-10-18T18:39:03 < dongs> erase that page from code, using flash erase functions in hal/stdperiph/wahtever 2016-10-18T18:39:08 < dongs> then write shit to it 2016-10-18T18:39:29 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-18T18:40:53 < dongs> https://vimeo.com/159980655 englishman 2016-10-18T18:41:12 < dongs> 7 months ago 2016-10-18T18:41:48 < dongs> i can imagine 2016-10-18T18:41:56 < dongs> hmm, this thing looks really great actually. 2016-10-18T18:42:05 < Thorn> why do some stm32 families have 'real' eeprom? is it better than program flash? more cycles or what? 2016-10-18T18:42:36 < dongs> L15x is kinda NRND according to ST guys 2016-10-18T18:42:40 < Thorn> yes l0 or l1 2016-10-18T18:42:41 < dongs> tehy want people to go to L4 or F401 2016-10-18T18:44:11 < dongs> no price onsite 2016-10-18T18:44:48 < dongs> 23" Entry Level Manual Bench top Screen Printer. 2016-10-18T18:44:48 < dongs> Launch date 6th May 2014 2016-10-18T18:44:48 < dongs> Full details will appear here shortly. 2016-10-18T18:44:51 < dongs> i guess it never happened 2016-10-18T18:44:56 < dongs> dickstarted 2016-10-18T18:53:15 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-18T18:55:25 < Tectu> sup englishman 2016-10-18T18:56:06 < Tectu> me too 2016-10-18T18:56:12 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T18:57:22 < Ecco> Guys, what's the difference between QPI and QuadSPI? 2016-10-18T18:57:43 < dongs> do you even need that in your calculator 2016-10-18T18:58:29 < Tectu> gotta store them constants 2016-10-18T18:58:32 < Ecco> :-D 2016-10-18T18:58:42 < Ecco> Well I'm just trying to understand things 2016-10-18T18:58:57 < Ecco> is it the same thing? 2016-10-18T18:59:06 < Tectu> I never heard of QPI. I guess somebody just forgot to type an 'S' somewhere 2016-10-18T18:59:21 < Tectu> I might be wrong, though. 2016-10-18T18:59:30 < Ecco> "SPI, Dual/Quad I/O, QPI" 2016-10-18T18:59:44 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T19:16:51 < rene-dev> Hi, has anyone ever used the PLLI2S as 50MHz RMII ref clock? f2 errata sheet says it doesn't work, f4 errata does not mention it. but the PLLs seem to be identical. 2016-10-18T19:17:55 < dongs> well uh 2016-10-18T19:18:05 < dongs> why the fuck dont you just use proper rmII clock output? 2016-10-18T19:18:16 < dongs> or use the one provided by your phy 2016-10-18T19:18:25 < dongs> i forgot how i hooked it up last time i did this shit 2016-10-18T19:18:29 < dongs> but I didn't have to guess anything 2016-10-18T19:19:21 < rene-dev> I could, but I only want one xtal on the board. that would require the xtal on the phy, and xo of the phy clocking the stm 2016-10-18T19:19:51 < dongs> hm 2016-10-18T19:20:01 < rene-dev> I just dont understand why the pll should not work, datasheet mentions +-280ps jitter, well within spec 2016-10-18T19:20:51 < dongs> ah i used DP83848 2016-10-18T19:20:54 < rene-dev> other way would be a 25 mhz xtal on the stm, so mco does not use a pll, only x2 2016-10-18T19:21:00 < dongs> that was clocked by RMII REFCLK only 2016-10-18T19:21:04 < dongs> no crystal needed on the phy itselfg. 2016-10-18T19:21:13 < dongs> so there was jsut a 25mhz one on stm. 2016-10-18T19:21:22 < aandrew> yay 2016-10-18T19:21:25 < rene-dev> and you used mco? 2016-10-18T19:21:28 < aandrew> convinced a client to dump NXP for STM 2016-10-18T19:21:48 < dongs> no, i used ETH_RMII_REF_CLK output 2016-10-18T19:21:52 < dongs> PA1 or someshit 2016-10-18T19:21:56 < rene-dev> Im using ksz8081rnd 2016-10-18T19:22:36 < rene-dev> RMII_REF_CLK can be a output? 2016-10-18T19:23:06 < dongs> rene-dev: that thing takes 25 or 50mhz clock on XI pin 2016-10-18T19:23:10 < dongs> and XO unattached. 2016-10-18T19:23:14 < dongs> so yes, you can just do same shit i did 2016-10-18T19:24:36 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.154.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T19:25:42 < rene-dev> like this https://www.dropbox.com/s/w0k7bn982c6zef2/Screenshot%202016-10-18%2018.25.07.png?dl=0 2016-10-18T19:27:14 < rene-dev> ksz8081rnd datasheet says 50 mhz osc, or 25 mhz xtal... 2016-10-18T19:27:49 < dongs> aw, just looked at my schematic, im too stoned 2016-10-18T19:28:06 < dongs> i did have a 50mhz osc there to XI, also going to RMII_REF_CLK 2016-10-18T19:28:20 < dongs> sry. 2016-10-18T19:28:22 < dongs> so that doesnt help you. 2016-10-18T19:29:13 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-18T19:30:59 < karlp> rene-dev: is it actyually not working? 2016-10-18T19:31:13 < karlp> or are you just concerned that you dind't see an errata? 2016-10-18T19:31:30 < rene-dev> I could test it, but sync hasn't finished the board :D 2016-10-18T19:31:36 < karlp> if the f2 was meant to work, and it has errata, and the f4 actually works, what's the issue? 2016-10-18T19:32:13 < rene-dev> so no, I cannot test it. we are still designing the board. 2016-10-18T19:32:32 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T19:32:39 < karlp> it's documented to work though right? just that f2 had errata on it? 2016-10-18T19:32:58 < karlp> so, either a) you're big enough to care about how many boards youre' making that you can callyour ST fae and find out "for sure" 2016-10-18T19:33:21 < karlp> or b) believe it works as described, just like all those other features that don't have specail notes "actually works" and try it out :) 2016-10-18T19:33:30 < sync> we'll probably just yolo it 2016-10-18T19:33:33 < rene-dev> yes, only f2 has errata. but f2 and f4 PLLs are the same as far as I can see. any no, I could not find any documented case of it actually working 2016-10-18T19:34:00 < rene-dev> st datasheet uses 25mhz xtal, and phy has 25 mhz input 2016-10-18T19:36:45 < rene-dev> 25mhz xtal on f4, and 50 mhz mco with X2 should work, errata mentions the problem only with the pll 2016-10-18T19:37:02 < rene-dev> but does it still work with a 8 mhz xtal? 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2016-10-18T21:35:54 < BenderTheMan> #define EEPROM_START_ADDRESS ((uint32_t)0x08007800) 2016-10-18T21:35:55 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.154.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T21:36:01 < BenderTheMan> Seems to mess up my device :\ 2016-10-18T21:36:57 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0aea5c.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T21:39:39 < vampi-the-frog> isn't it 0x8000000? 2016-10-18T21:41:35 < BenderTheMan> That's the first page of the program. It would ef-up my program? Right... 2016-10-18T21:41:38 < Rickta59> are you doing eeprom emulation? 2016-10-18T21:41:47 < BenderTheMan> Yes, at least trying to :( 2016-10-18T21:42:00 < Rickta59> which stm32f030 model do you have? 2016-10-18T21:42:25 < BenderTheMan> stm32f030r8t6 2016-10-18T21:43:24 < Rickta59> i've not used eeprom emulation ... 2016-10-18T21:43:29 < Rickta59> how large is your code? 2016-10-18T21:47:05 < BenderTheMan> Not sure, can I check it somehow in eclipse? 2016-10-18T21:47:19 < Fleck> ghh... 2016-10-18T21:47:19 < Rickta59> arm-none-eabi-size foo.elf 2016-10-18T21:47:36 < Rickta59> eclipse doesn't show by default 2016-10-18T21:47:49 < Rickta59> you can add it as a post build step 2016-10-18T21:47:55 < Rickta59> or just run it by hand 2016-10-18T21:49:14 < Rickta59> did you read that application note an4061 2016-10-18T21:51:24 < BenderTheMan> Yeap, that's the one I'm basing my code one 2016-10-18T21:52:02 < BenderTheMan> can I just append arm-none-eabi-size test.elf to my existing post build step? 2016-10-18T21:52:19 < Rickta59> are you on linux? 2016-10-18T21:52:27 < Rickta59> you can just add it after a ; 2016-10-18T21:52:41 < Rickta59> yourstep foo.elf; arm-none-eabi-gcc foo.elf 2016-10-18T21:53:10 < Rickta59> in there it describes how to figure out how much flash you need to emulate eeprom 2016-10-18T21:53:20 < BenderTheMan> Sweet... Okay, I'm looking at text, data, bss, dec and hex. Which one is size? I sure hope not text :) 2016-10-18T21:53:46 < Rickta59> text + data + ro data is the size used by flash 2016-10-18T21:54:18 < BenderTheMan> 50Kb... holy... 2016-10-18T21:54:34 < Rickta59> so you only have 64k of flash 2016-10-18T21:54:37 < BenderTheMan> I have to skim down the W5500 library :( 2016-10-18T21:54:52 < Rickta59> so your eeprom stuff has to start after all your regular flash usage 2016-10-18T21:55:03 < Rickta59> so 0x8007800 isn't going to cut it 2016-10-18T21:55:20 < Rickta59> it probably has to start on a flash segment boundary 2016-10-18T21:55:23 < Rickta59> i don't know 2016-10-18T21:55:28 < Rickta59> i just skimmed the note 2016-10-18T21:57:00 < Rickta59> * i missed the earlier part of the conversation 2016-10-18T21:58:07 < Rickta59> +1 on that suggestion 2016-10-18T21:58:55 < Rickta59> * remove for gcc that means change the size of the the ROM section 2016-10-18T21:59:08 < Rickta59> of the ld 2016-10-18T21:59:41 < Rickta59> yeah there may be .rodata 2016-10-18T21:59:50 < Rickta59> .text .data .rodata 2016-10-18T22:00:08 < BenderTheMan> Awesome, I'll try that. Thanks guys! :) 2016-10-18T22:07:36 < BenderTheMan> englishman: Thank you! 2016-10-18T22:09:00 -!- ntfreak [~ntfreak@unaffiliated/ntfreak] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T22:16:37 < BenderTheMan> I actually have to trim down the libraries that I don't need now... 50Kb... too much 2016-10-18T22:16:43 < BenderTheMan> W5500 is like half of that I bet 2016-10-18T22:17:01 < Rickta59> are you in debug mode? 2016-10-18T22:17:26 < Rickta59> just switching to release will shrink it 2016-10-18T22:23:23 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.154.216] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-18T22:30:13 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2016-10-18T22:46:10 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2603:3023:50a:4600:e90c:4e8c:e9a4:f199] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T22:56:16 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-18T23:06:16 < LeelooMinai> Almost like Trump University:p 2016-10-18T23:07:20 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-18T23:08:12 -!- karlp_ is now known as karlp 2016-10-18T23:19:28 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-18T23:25:44 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-18T23:39:04 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T23:41:05 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Seems you are hurt by transgendered people - you mention them daily:) Not that I am one:p 2016-10-18T23:42:14 < rajkosto> LeelooMinai, what is this website 2016-10-18T23:42:25 < rajkosto> theres like random high dolla dolla amounts 2016-10-18T23:42:40 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: What website? 2016-10-18T23:42:44 < rajkosto> crowdfunder 2016-10-18T23:43:07 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: I don't know - englishman posted the linke. Seems like some elaborate scam for naive people. 2016-10-18T23:43:45 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-18T23:43:58 < LeelooMinai> That's why I mentioned the Trump Universitey - same idea basically. Suck people into giving some money and lure them more, so they give more money, etc. It's a con basically. 2016-10-18T23:44:38 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Yoiu are an idiot. Read about it maybe. 2016-10-18T23:45:04 < Steffanx> LeelooMinai, continue please. Better get ignored :P 2016-10-18T23:45:05 < rajkosto> https://www.reddit.com/r/shittykickstarters crowdfunder is 3rd resul 2016-10-18T23:45:09 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-18T23:45:40 < Steffanx> Hello englishman. Hows mr englishman today? 2016-10-18T23:45:40 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: Yes, I hope for it - it's easier to troll people who put me on ignore:p 2016-10-18T23:46:03 < Steffanx> Almost coming to an end. But it was ok. 2016-10-18T23:46:28 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: But I thought you are transgenedered... no? 2016-10-18T23:46:38 < Steffanx> Doing some boring webdev. => filling in some templates + content 2016-10-18T23:46:46 < Steffanx> No, im not THAT bored yet, englishman 2016-10-18T23:46:47 < rajkosto> R2COM, but for investing ? 2016-10-18T23:47:03 < Steffanx> sounds like kickstarter 2016-10-18T23:47:35 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Like me? I am not transgendered... Are you on some halucynogenic medication maybe? :p 2016-10-18T23:48:03 < upgrdman> AutismMinai can't spell 2016-10-18T23:48:08 < LeelooMinai> And yet you are, daily... 2016-10-18T23:48:46 < Steffanx> upgrdman, stop wannabee-dongs. :P 2016-10-18T23:49:01 < upgrdman> ok :) 2016-10-18T23:49:09 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: What link... englishman posted some link today... 2016-10-18T23:49:13 < Steffanx> Seriously, you guys have too much issues with each other. 2016-10-18T23:49:30 < upgrdman> Steffanx, im just poking fun. im never serious on IRC 2016-10-18T23:49:32 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-18T23:49:33 < LeelooMinai> I did not post any links reccently... You are insane:) 2016-10-18T23:49:52 < upgrdman> not bad. only x-ray my balls twice by accident 2016-10-18T23:49:58 < Steffanx> lolwut? 2016-10-18T23:50:01 < upgrdman> j/k 2016-10-18T23:50:13 < upgrdman> but i've been dicking with x-ray shit at work all morning 2016-10-18T23:50:24 < Steffanx> Covered in lead? 2016-10-18T23:50:30 < upgrdman> of course 2016-10-18T23:50:38 < upgrdman> and aimed at my coworker 2016-10-18T23:50:45 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: You asked "who is hackitten" and I posted a link to her website - dumbass... 2016-10-18T23:50:47 < Steffanx> Chinese co-worker? 2016-10-18T23:50:54 < upgrdman> no im in the first world ATM 2016-10-18T23:50:55 < upgrdman> so cal 2016-10-18T23:51:31 < Steffanx> kenny vs. spenny, do i want to know? 2016-10-18T23:52:10 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: All I see is your fascination with those people. Normal men are not that obsessed - imo you should just accept that you are attracted to them possibly and try to live with it without creating dramas on IRC:p 2016-10-18T23:52:31 < Steffanx> It's not that you have no issues accepting other people opinion. When people disagree with you, you seem to go into rage mode. R2COM ;) 2016-10-18T23:52:47 < Steffanx> At least that's what it sometimes looks like 2016-10-18T23:52:48 < LeelooMinai> R2COM confirmed transgener-lover! 2016-10-18T23:52:50 < Steffanx> *often 2016-10-18T23:53:28 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: Come out of the closet - I saw some documentary on youtube and it can have positive results. Come on - be a man:) 2016-10-18T23:53:59 < Steffanx> "people like you" that racism. 2016-10-18T23:54:24 < Steffanx> Master race. 2016-10-18T23:54:45 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: What normal person cares about transgenedered people... lol... Seriously, you have some issues there. 2016-10-18T23:55:04 < upgrdman> an older photo, but this is the xray clusterfuck i've been working on http://imgur.com/a/JsagL 2016-10-18T23:55:14 < upgrdman> not actually plugged into an xray generator in that photo tho 2016-10-18T23:55:41 < Steffanx> oh, you made some device to control an xray? 2016-10-18T23:56:00 < LeelooMinai> SOunds very safe... 2016-10-18T23:56:01 < upgrdman> coworker did that hardware. im doing the firmware/verilog/software 2016-10-18T23:57:42 < upgrdman> R2COM, hows your DDS sig gen going? 2016-10-18T23:58:17 < upgrdman> compact? 2016-10-18T23:58:35 < upgrdman> compact in code size? LUT usage? 2016-10-18T23:58:44 < upgrdman> oh, pooplined sine generation? 2016-10-18T23:59:51 < upgrdman> does interp hurt the SFDR? --- Day changed Wed Oct 19 2016 2016-10-19T00:01:20 < upgrdman> is interp linear or some intelligent shit? 2016-10-19T00:01:25 < upgrdman> ya 2016-10-19T00:02:50 < upgrdman> nice 2016-10-19T00:03:00 < upgrdman> does it require smirnoff and hookers? 2016-10-19T00:06:14 < upgrdman> so 0 = -fullscale, 2^13 = 0 volts, 2^14 = fullscale? 2016-10-19T00:06:43 < upgrdman> ermh i did i got that wrong 2016-10-19T00:06:48 < upgrdman> but like 2s completment signed int 2016-10-19T00:07:47 < upgrdman> ya that 2016-10-19T00:08:52 < upgrdman> bbl. time to solder some shit together 2016-10-19T00:15:43 -!- bradfier [~bradfier@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::c9:c001] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-19T00:16:03 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-19T00:17:25 -!- danielinux [sbnc@fosdem/staff/danielinux] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-19T00:17:27 -!- pulsar [~PLS@2a01:4f8:130:4029::1:7] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-19T00:18:00 -!- syke [syke@irc.syke.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-19T00:19:36 -!- pulsar [~PLS@2a01:4f8:130:4029::1:7] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T00:19:39 -!- danielinux [sbnc@danielinux.default.trexotech.uk0.bigv.io] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T00:21:22 -!- bradfier [~bradfier@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::c9:c001] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T00:21:59 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-bbb9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-19T00:25:25 -!- syke [syke@irc.syke.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T00:34:29 < vampi-the-frog> I'm looking for some docs about the USB registers on the STM32F103 2016-10-19T00:34:43 < vampi-the-frog> the datasheet seems to lack details 2016-10-19T00:42:16 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0aea5c.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-19T00:42:31 < kakimir> sup pumps 2016-10-19T00:43:26 < kakimir> good pumps today? 2016-10-19T00:45:22 < Laurenceb_> frog? as in pepe? 2016-10-19T00:45:28 < Laurenceb_> related link: https://file.wikileaks.org/file/steve-jobs-hiv/steve-jobs-hiv-2.jpg 2016-10-19T00:46:12 < kakimir> really? 2016-10-19T00:46:30 < Laurenceb_> apparently 2016-10-19T00:46:40 < Laurenceb_> wikileaks is in full troll fodder mode 2016-10-19T00:47:26 < Laurenceb_> lul 2016-10-19T00:47:35 < Laurenceb_> s/ssn/son 2016-10-19T00:48:57 < kakimir> how did he get aids? 2016-10-19T00:49:23 < Laurenceb_> confidential Ecuadorean government documents detail a violent, after-hours confrontation between Assange and an Ecuadorean security guard following the termination of his network access 2016-10-19T00:51:17 < Laurenceb_> need moar Assange tendies stories 2016-10-19T00:53:39 < Laurenceb_> 4chan like Asshenge too much to make epic troll memes :( 2016-10-19T00:55:27 < rene-dev> vampi-the-frog let me know when you find any... as far as I know the usb core is not from st, but from http://www.synopsys.com/ 2016-10-19T00:55:49 < karlp> rene-dev: no, the f103 is st's 2016-10-19T00:55:55 < karlp> f107 and co have the dwc-otg core 2016-10-19T00:56:09 < rene-dev> karlp ah 2016-10-19T00:56:12 < rene-dev> karlp do you have docs on those? 2016-10-19T00:57:11 < karlp> sure, the same ones you do. st provides all the docs there is.... 2016-10-19T00:57:16 < karlp> or do you mean for the dwc-otg core? 2016-10-19T00:57:19 < rene-dev> yes 2016-10-19T00:57:49 < karlp> kuldeep in #openocd and #libopencm3 had some links earlier, but for 99.9% of what you're doing, there's nothign extra worth reading. 2016-10-19T00:57:50 < vampi-the-frog> rene-dev, http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/reference_manual/59/b9/ba/7f/11/af/43/d5/CD00171190.pdf/files/CD00171190.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00171190.pdf 2016-10-19T00:57:52 < rene-dev> how is the libopencm3 implemented? is it copied from st? 2016-10-19T00:58:06 < karlp> also, not all dwc-otg implementations are the same... 2016-10-19T00:58:25 < kakimir> rene-dev: it's seperate project 2016-10-19T00:58:27 -!- johntramp [~john@175.111.102.145] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5] 2016-10-19T00:59:27 < rene-dev> karlp I know 2016-10-19T00:59:59 < vampi-the-frog> I gotta go, good luck 2016-10-19T01:00:12 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.26.128.162] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-19T01:00:22 < karlp> hrm, turns out I did keep a copy of synopsis - DWC_otg_databook rev3.30a.pdf 2016-10-19T01:00:33 < karlp> but bear in mind, that's not he version that is on the f107 or the f4 2016-10-19T01:03:13 < rene-dev> yes 2016-10-19T01:03:22 < rene-dev> never looked at the f1 usb, only need f4 2016-10-19T01:04:08 < rene-dev> there is more stuff in the f1 ref man than the f4 2016-10-19T01:04:20 < rene-dev> karlp interesting... could I have a copy? 2016-10-19T01:06:27 < upgrdman> is dwc-otg some HDL package that STM licensed? 2016-10-19T01:06:36 < upgrdman> s/package/ip 2016-10-19T01:07:19 < Thorn> upgrdman: https://www.synopsys.com/dw/ipdir.php?ds=dwc_usb_2_0_hs_otg 2016-10-19T01:07:58 < upgrdman> nice 2016-10-19T01:08:40 < Thorn> it would be nice if they actually had any documentation there 2016-10-19T01:09:17 < upgrdman> s/nice/burn those faggots 2016-10-19T01:09:26 < karlp> well there's https://www.synopsys.com/dw/ipdir.php?ds=dwc_usb_2_0_hs_otg 2016-10-19T01:09:30 < karlp> yeah, 2016-10-19T01:14:13 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-19T01:23:31 < karlp> anyone know how to add text to an existing gerber? I used some gerbmerge magic to panellize, but seeeed wants me to write "v-cut" on the vcut lines on the right layer 2016-10-19T01:25:52 < ds2> convert to something else? 2016-10-19T01:32:09 < zyp> presumably you'll have to find some gerber editor thing and use that 2016-10-19T01:32:38 < zyp> don't have any suggestions to offer though 2016-10-19T01:34:17 < karlp> hrm, gerbmerge generated drills that gerbv could use, but not seeeds online viewer thingy 2016-10-19T01:34:55 * karlp manually edits drills.txt 2016-10-19T01:36:44 * karlp ponders just submitting it as is, and seeing how it comes back. doesn't need to be vcut, they can saw them for all I care... 2016-10-19T01:45:23 -!- johntramp [~john@175.111.102.145] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T01:50:46 * karlp hacks the gerbmerge program instead 2016-10-19T02:01:20 < Laurenceb_> hehe 2016-10-19T02:01:27 < Laurenceb_> thats horrendous to configure 2016-10-19T02:01:34 < karlp> worked out pretty well though 2016-10-19T02:01:37 < karlp> got it done, 2016-10-19T02:01:47 < karlp> it could make a scoring layer, and gerbv can merge visible layers into a new layer file 2016-10-19T02:02:04 < karlp> something's a bit fishy with the drill files that gerbmerge is creating, but it's only got two drills, so I'm just fixing it by hand 2016-10-19T02:02:39 < Laurenceb_> oops 2016-10-19T02:02:55 < Laurenceb_> I dunno I've never seen that, its always worked once its actually configured 2016-10-19T02:03:05 * Laurenceb_ is confused by http://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-TDA7116F-DS-v01_00-en.pdf?fileId=db3a30431ff98815012060531ca1616d 2016-10-19T02:03:06 < karlp> well, the gerbs are ok in gerbv, 2016-10-19T02:03:13 < karlp> but seeds online thingy says there's no tools listed 2016-10-19T02:03:16 < Laurenceb_> oh 2016-10-19T02:03:30 < Laurenceb_> what does that file look like? 2016-10-19T02:03:31 < karlp> swomething to do with listing the tools in teh top of the file vs literally inline 2016-10-19T02:03:34 < Laurenceb_> ah 2016-10-19T02:04:08 < karlp> gerbv handles both, gerbmerge emits literally inline only, seeed online previewonly ahndles top of file and then reference by number 2016-10-19T02:04:08 < Laurenceb_> that TDA7116F, rated specs are 2.1 to 4.0v supply, yet absolute max is 4.0v too 2016-10-19T02:04:35 < Laurenceb_> surely that cant be right, just lazy copypasta by infenion n00b writer? 2016-10-19T02:07:21 < Laurenceb_> I want to drive it directly off a lipo, guess I could charge to 4.0v and lose ~15% capacity 2016-10-19T02:08:08 < karlp> tada http://gerblook.org/pcb/ieBPcbg6JfevLSMpH79ZyR#front 2016-10-19T02:08:35 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T02:09:10 < stvn> Laurenceb_: http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/davidson-deaths-family-gassed-in-suspected-murder-suicide/news-story/68018a45df3e308f0a703de8cd964e2e 2016-10-19T02:09:41 < Laurenceb_> relatives of yours? 2016-10-19T02:09:46 < stvn> nah 2016-10-19T02:09:51 < stvn> i just thought of auschwitz 2016-10-19T02:09:55 < stvn> apparently they were aspies 2016-10-19T02:10:23 < Laurenceb_> I just saw the Equadorian ambassador driving past my house with a load of Chicken Tendies 2016-10-19T02:10:30 < stvn> ROFL 2016-10-19T02:12:27 < stvn> is there a julian assange pepe 2016-10-19T02:18:36 < Laurenceb_> its probably very rare 2016-10-19T02:18:43 * karlp giggles 2016-10-19T02:21:20 < Thorn> a 2200mAh 3.7V battery measures 3.82V w/o load. I'm charging it with a lab psu @ 4.2V. what is the expected initial charging current? I got 180mA 2016-10-19T02:30:57 < celeron55> basically anything, but even then that seems very low 2016-10-19T02:31:41 < Thorn> seems low to me also 2016-10-19T02:31:53 < stvn> also depends on if you want the battery to last 2016-10-19T02:33:13 < Thorn> I just set the psu to 4.2V, 1A (half of the mAh figure), but it's nowhere near the current limit 2016-10-19T02:33:19 < stvn> google tells me charging at 5C aint a big deal 2016-10-19T02:33:27 < celeron55> based on that measurement i would guess that cell won't put out much current either 2016-10-19T02:33:53 < Thorn> 4.2V is an absolute limit aiui so even if I wanted it to charge faster I couldn't 2016-10-19T02:34:01 < stvn> yeah 2016-10-19T02:34:01 < celeron55> so it's probably too crappy or broken 2016-10-19T02:34:17 < stvn> maybe its almost fully charged or has integrated electronics 2016-10-19T02:34:27 < stvn> how long is a piece of string as they say 2016-10-19T02:34:46 < Thorn> it's been lying around unused since july 2014 2016-10-19T02:35:15 < stvn> yah man 2016-10-19T02:37:19 < stvn> they are sick mun 2016-10-19T02:37:40 < stvn> i left my nintendoz for around 13 months without charge, no worries 2016-10-19T02:38:12 < stvn> they have soft power switch too 2016-10-19T02:38:17 * Laurenceb_ has restarted workz on his rockoon 2016-10-19T02:38:20 < Laurenceb_> sort of... 2016-10-19T02:38:31 < Laurenceb_> no free timez atm :-( 2016-10-19T02:38:56 < Laurenceb_> need to turn on tracker once it launches.. somehow 2016-10-19T02:39:22 < stvn> yah 2016-10-19T02:39:28 < stvn> power it with nintendo desu 2016-10-19T02:39:29 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2GcdpJiNGfKcnl5azVzNmE3QzA?usp=sharing used shunt amplifier for welder shunt 2016-10-19T02:40:02 < stvn> hahaha at rigol stickers 2016-10-19T02:40:22 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: lurn to i.sli.gm 2016-10-19T02:40:26 < Laurenceb_> or whatever 2016-10-19T02:40:37 < Laurenceb_> I cant view due to failscript errors 2016-10-19T02:40:39 < stvn> hes on the b0tnet 2016-10-19T02:40:53 < kakimir> botnet hase me 2016-10-19T02:41:00 < Thorn> you need a t-shirt that says I HACK SCOPES 2016-10-19T02:41:25 < kakimir> offset is 1mV and my measurements say 3.3mV 2016-10-19T02:41:32 < kakimir> can I trust my results 2016-10-19T02:42:02 < kakimir> it's 20X amplifier if you wonder 2016-10-19T02:42:38 < stvn> did you pay the license fee for the amplifier? 2016-10-19T02:43:12 < kakimir> I don't get it? 2016-10-19T02:44:26 < kakimir> I think I need higher current source 2016-10-19T02:45:28 < kakimir> I had 3.17amps out and I switched inputs to add accuracy to result then / 2 2016-10-19T02:46:10 < kakimir> then / 3.17A got around 1mV/A 2016-10-19T02:46:31 < kakimir> logical number for such welder shunt resistor 2016-10-19T02:47:47 < kakimir> but there hase not been any other low vdiff tests like this - or any tests for this new current probe 2016-10-19T02:49:06 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKUkdDNEhCVTYwVlE/view?usp=sharing 2016-10-19T02:50:20 < kakimir> I had to use my 15years old soldering iron - cheapo at it's time - it makes solder to leak that brown shiet all over 2016-10-19T02:50:53 < kakimir> my pro gear doesn't do that almost at all 2016-10-19T02:56:52 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-19T02:57:59 < stvn> brown shit 2016-10-19T02:58:16 < stvn> i heard they call it flux 2016-10-19T02:59:44 < kakimir> where it normaly goes? 2016-10-19T03:00:03 < kakimir> it barelly appears 2016-10-19T03:00:21 < stvn> up your nose 2016-10-19T03:00:42 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-19T03:00:44 < stvn> carcinogenic fumes directly into your frontal lobe 2016-10-19T03:01:33 < kakimir> sweet 2016-10-19T03:01:55 < kakimir> I try to use venting apparatuses 2016-10-19T03:02:26 < BrainDamage> it's not carcinogenic 2016-10-19T03:02:36 < stvn> depends on who you ask 2016-10-19T03:02:39 < BrainDamage> it'll just etch your alveola 2016-10-19T03:02:55 < stvn> i try not to sniff it :3 2016-10-19T03:07:52 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-19T03:15:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T03:16:21 < ds2> are C++ programmers envious of being able to build real things in a factory? 2016-10-19T03:16:53 < stvn> wut 2016-10-19T03:17:06 < ds2> keep seeing C++ code calling this and that factories 2016-10-19T03:17:23 < upgrdman> AssFactory 2016-10-19T03:17:45 < Thorn> that comes from java 2016-10-19T03:17:52 < kakimir> I wonder if I have any psu I could utilize as kind of accurate CC source 2016-10-19T03:18:12 < kakimir> anyone done such hacks? 2016-10-19T03:18:47 < Thorn> basically any decent lab psu can do constant current 2016-10-19T03:19:41 < ds2> depends on what you need for compliance voltage 2016-10-19T03:20:09 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: What kind of current do you need? 2016-10-19T03:20:17 < LeelooMinai> How much amps 2016-10-19T03:20:18 < rajkosto> ds2, look up design patterns: factory 2016-10-19T03:20:54 < stvn> developers developers developers developers 2016-10-19T03:22:56 < LeelooMinai> ds2: may sound a bit weird to people who just use low-level programming, but you need those ideas/concepts to deal with systems with a lot of complexity. At this point things like decoupling, separation of concerns, etc. are a difference between being able to make something manageable or not. 2016-10-19T03:24:02 < Thorn> I've had a factory factory in python code once 2016-10-19T03:24:43 < LeelooMinai> Well, it's not that weird - you can have things like an array of arrays of pointers in C:) 2016-10-19T03:25:09 < LeelooMinai> As long as it solves something in elegant way - fine imo 2016-10-19T03:28:43 < kakimir> LeelooMinai: like 10 2016-10-19T03:29:37 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Well, as someone already wrote, almost any EE PSU will have CC mode, which is COnstant Current. It will then vary voltage trying to keep that current steady. 2016-10-19T03:30:54 < LeelooMinai> The cheapest reasonable PSU is about, probably you can get below $100 nowadays for one channel linear. 2016-10-19T03:30:59 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-19T03:32:19 < kakimir> ee psu.. ? 2016-10-19T03:36:58 < ds2> LeelooMinai: all these abstractions makes it unmanageable 2016-10-19T03:41:18 < dongs> C++ "programmers" are just autistic asshats 2016-10-19T03:42:47 < rajkosto> dongs, why you insult me 2016-10-19T03:43:06 < LeelooMinai> ds2: That's a naive way of thinking - it's like saying that having car made from separate parts makes it unmenageable - depends what kind of car you need - first Ford, or Tesla... 2016-10-19T03:43:23 < rajkosto> ds2, no, it's necessary 2016-10-19T03:43:29 < rajkosto> when youre dealing with more than just twiddling some bits in memory 2016-10-19T03:44:40 < LeelooMinai> dongs live to insult people - in case you did not notice 2016-10-19T03:47:01 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T03:47:26 < upgrdman> whats innovating 2016-10-19T03:47:58 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2016-10-19_02-47-51.png as far as i know this isnt a valid response to CMD1 ? 2016-10-19T03:48:04 < LeelooMinai> Imagine dongs in a channel where everyone is nice to each other - he would just flip and die:) 2016-10-19T03:48:06 < rajkosto> it should be 48 bits 2016-10-19T03:48:42 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: What GUI is that? 2016-10-19T03:48:47 < rajkosto> SumpPump 2016-10-19T03:49:11 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: Maybe you could try Sigrok thing - I think they support your little board. May have better decoders. 2016-10-19T03:49:14 < rajkosto> LeelooMinai, all the Sdcard libs expect SPI, which is completely different 2016-10-19T03:49:19 < rajkosto> nah, sigrok thing is useless 2016-10-19T03:49:27 < LeelooMinai> Does not work? 2016-10-19T03:49:32 < rajkosto> didnt last time i tried it 2016-10-19T03:49:58 < LeelooMinai> Right, but they work on it (for ages, but constantly:), so who knows. 2016-10-19T03:50:39 < LeelooMinai> I once found a bug in JTAG decoder there and after a year I saw on their channel someone providing a fix for that:p 2016-10-19T03:50:51 < upgrdman> so why is the factory methodology useful? like a concrete example of how it would be dirtier within a factory? 2016-10-19T03:50:59 < upgrdman> s/within/without 2016-10-19T03:51:18 < rajkosto> upgrdman, well, if oyu use just a constructor 2016-10-19T03:51:26 < rajkosto> you would have to pass in ALL the parameters each time 2016-10-19T03:51:31 < LeelooMinai> It's a decoupling strategy - when the requester just requests something, but does not need to know the details what it really is behind the interface it gets and where it comes from, etc. 2016-10-19T03:51:37 < rajkosto> some of which, might not even be accessible to you due to encapsulation 2016-10-19T03:51:42 < rajkosto> instead, you can set up a factory once 2016-10-19T03:52:04 < rajkosto> and then use it to construct objects for you, it will take care of passing in the correct constructor params, and maybe doing more, like registering the objects into a map so they can be tracked later, etc 2016-10-19T03:53:34 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: It's like having a guy that does some dirty work for you and gives you only what you are interested in:p 2016-10-19T03:54:33 < upgrdman> ya i can see using a factory method to create an object and configure it for you. 2016-10-19T03:54:34 < upgrdman> but 2016-10-19T03:54:46 < rajkosto> like, say you have a sql connection 2016-10-19T03:54:57 < rajkosto> now, you can construct sql queries manually, then somehow tie them into the sql connection, etc 2016-10-19T03:55:10 < rajkosto> but it makes more sense to just have a method in sql connection that will make and return a properly setup sql query to you 2016-10-19T03:55:10 < ds2> no 2016-10-19T03:55:19 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: The point is that you can replace this factory with other and not having to change anything in the code using it - like with interfaces. 2016-10-19T03:55:53 < ds2> it is like having a car but you don't claim you have a thing, the thing creates motion. 2016-10-19T03:56:06 < upgrdman> ds2, wtf? 2016-10-19T03:56:09 < LeelooMinai> lol 2016-10-19T03:56:10 < rajkosto> i should get out of this chan, its #trole 2016-10-19T03:56:20 < ds2> upgrdman: C++ stupidity 2016-10-19T03:56:30 < rajkosto> /kick ds2 2016-10-19T03:56:45 < LeelooMinai> ds2: I don't think you are ready for those patterns:p 2016-10-19T03:56:52 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, can you give a specific useful example where this is nicer? 2016-10-19T03:57:23 < dongs> > AutismMinai > specific examples 2016-10-19T03:57:28 < dongs> upgrdman: do you REALLY have that much free time? 2016-10-19T03:57:37 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: As opposed to hard-wireing everything in the code that needs what the factory returns - I think it's pretty obvious that it's bad for many reasons. 2016-10-19T03:58:08 < LeelooMinai> You hardwire it and then you have zero flexibility to change what the factory returns. 2016-10-19T03:58:08 < ds2> Using void * for everything is a saner thing 2016-10-19T03:58:09 < upgrdman> dongs, lol 2016-10-19T03:58:28 < ds2> <--- gets stuck fixing all those hard bugs :( 2016-10-19T03:58:53 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Don't succumb to dongism - you will be a dumb hater for the rest of your life:) 2016-10-19T03:59:14 < rajkosto> does my stm32f103 have a SDIO port ? 2016-10-19T03:59:26 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-19T03:59:52 < ReadErr> where is R2COM 2016-10-19T03:59:54 < ReadErr> i want to fight him 2016-10-19T04:00:05 < dongs> rajkosto: no 2016-10-19T04:00:13 < ReadErr> "It doesn't really show the kind of leadership and toughness that you'd want out of a president. You start whining before the game's even over? If whenever things are going badly for you and you lose you start blaming somebody else? Then you don't have what it takes to be in this job," 2016-10-19T04:00:23 < ReadErr> Obama just cockslapped Trump 2016-10-19T04:00:24 < dongs> ReadErr: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you! 2016-10-19T04:00:34 < LeelooMinai> I would like to also note that autism involves having problems with cumunicating with people, understanding more subtle behaviour, etc. I think dongs has much problems with that, than me…. so: projection:p 2016-10-19T04:00:41 < ReadErr> Im talking to R2COM though dongs 2016-10-19T04:01:00 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, well i mean is the only benefit that instead of "Foo cocks = new Foo(); cocks.shit(); cocks.poop();" you can just do "Foo cocks = FooFactory.getShitPoopFoo();" ? 2016-10-19T04:01:14 < rajkosto> isnt #politics or #religion implicitly banned on most freenode channels ? 2016-10-19T04:01:25 < ReadErr> rajkosto: suck my dick 2016-10-19T04:01:32 < rajkosto> upgrdman, ok, now lets say you need to track all instances of Foo 2016-10-19T04:01:56 < rajkosto> if you have a factory, you can put a vector of instances inside of it, and once the thing is constructed, you add it to the vector 2016-10-19T04:02:22 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: You don't see that having Foo() hardwired is limiting? What if you want to return something that behaves like Foo (has some interface of it), but is totally different underneath and comes from, I don't know, network maybe, not local pc. 2016-10-19T04:02:27 < rajkosto> or what if the Foo constructor needs to reference like 5 different systems ? 2016-10-19T04:02:48 < rajkosto> (and the factory already has those references in itself, it can provide them to foo every construction) 2016-10-19T04:03:11 < LeelooMinai> Or say you want to test your program, and need something that behaves like Foo, but is really just for testing purposes - some dummy Foo-like object. 2016-10-19T04:03:13 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2603:3023:50a:4600:e90c:4e8c:e9a4:f199] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-19T04:03:14 < rajkosto> you can also do things like factory.makeMeAThing(config) and then based on config, it will return SOME type of Foo, but it could be different 2016-10-19T04:03:21 < rajkosto> based on the config 2016-10-19T04:03:54 < rajkosto> (you also generally dont want to ever new foo, return a unique ptr to it instead) 2016-10-19T04:04:10 < ds2> hand routing PCBs is a more interesting exercise then userland programming :( 2016-10-19T04:04:37 < rajkosto> gets tedious quick tho 2016-10-19T04:04:55 < rajkosto> always hand-route 2016-10-19T04:05:30 < LeelooMinai> If you want a beautiful PCB, yes... don't let the autorouter to do anything:) 2016-10-19T04:06:15 < LeelooMinai> Some will do even this: http://eda.eremex.com/cms/f/434668.jpg 2016-10-19T04:06:17 < ds2> at least that gets somewhere :D 2016-10-19T04:06:33 < rajkosto> LeelooMinai, i love the look of those 2016-10-19T04:06:40 < LeelooMinai> I don't really:) 2016-10-19T04:06:44 < rajkosto> i wish i could simulate it somehow in altium 2016-10-19T04:06:47 < rajkosto> because that program SUCKS 2016-10-19T04:06:51 < rajkosto> the curve autorouter 2016-10-19T04:07:39 < rajkosto> too bad the rest of the program is ass 2016-10-19T04:07:50 < LeelooMinai> O, R2COM, the closeted transgender-lover is back. 2016-10-19T04:09:12 < LeelooMinai> (that was preemptive strike, just in case:p) 2016-10-19T04:09:21 < rajkosto> LeelooMinai, http://wiki.seabright.co.nz/wiki/SdCardProtocol.html this guy is my hero 2016-10-19T04:09:50 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: Because...? 2016-10-19T04:09:54 < rajkosto> no SPI bullshit 2016-10-19T04:09:57 < rajkosto> actual SD 2016-10-19T04:10:14 < upgrdman> worst cats ever. http://i.imgur.com/bzsZLQ4.gifv 2016-10-19T04:11:07 < upgrdman> R2COM, found a girlfriend for you http://i.imgur.com/APG556I.gifv 2016-10-19T04:11:19 < LeelooMinai> They just conserve energy:) 2016-10-19T04:11:41 < rajkosto> upgrdman, why would you do this 2016-10-19T04:12:00 < LeelooMinai> I don't think it's very safe... 2016-10-19T04:12:07 < rajkosto> is it a stick of butter ? 2016-10-19T04:13:07 < LeelooMinai> Are you crazy? Butter... that would be crazy. It's just a piece of soap. 2016-10-19T04:13:46 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: But she is not transgendered? So not your type... 2016-10-19T04:13:50 < upgrdman> supposedly its butter https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/582udm/girl_deepthroats_an_entire_stick_of_butter/ 2016-10-19T04:14:25 < LeelooMinai> If this was butter it had probably 1 zillion calories... 2016-10-19T04:14:50 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/UnlawfulImpressionableClumber 2016-10-19T04:15:33 < rajkosto> LeelooMinai, that led me to weird places: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJZkN9FjY48&feature=youtu.be 2016-10-19T04:16:56 < LeelooMinai> Cannot anyone link nice videos here? :p 2016-10-19T04:17:19 < rajkosto> the red bandana guy looks exactly like the dumb guy from gta5 2016-10-19T04:17:59 < LeelooMinai> Ok, how about a magpie from hell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhddrms05uI 2016-10-19T04:18:38 < LeelooMinai> (the child noises are done by the bird in case you though not:p) 2016-10-19T04:19:05 < rajkosto> no thats just a child in the background giggling 2016-10-19T04:19:13 < LeelooMinai> Apparently those birds can imitate almost any noise. 2016-10-19T04:19:25 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: That's what I thought initially too, but no:) 2016-10-19T04:19:46 < LeelooMinai> soroka:) 2016-10-19T04:20:13 < LeelooMinai> The bird just remembered some child laughing at it. 2016-10-19T04:21:01 < LeelooMinai> I think crows can do this too 2016-10-19T04:23:57 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T04:32:42 < dongs> < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/UnlawfulImpressionableClumber 2016-10-19T04:32:46 < dongs> what a fucking disappointment 2016-10-19T04:32:58 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: I was just telling everone stories about your dates with transgendered people - was lot's of fun. 2016-10-19T04:32:58 < dongs> i expected him to vape and push smoke out of the back of his skull 2016-10-19T04:33:05 < dongs> fail link is fail 2016-10-19T04:38:41 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T04:40:36 < emeb_mac> in other kickstarter news: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/brandonbird/the-jerry-orbach-memorial-art-car?ref=email 2016-10-19T04:42:16 < dongs> brandonbirdr? more like penisbird 2016-10-19T04:44:01 < aandrew> yep 2016-10-19T04:44:28 < LeelooMinai> If it's static inside a function then the value will be preserved for each call. 2016-10-19T04:44:54 < LeelooMinai> So it's pretty much like a global variable that is local to the function, so yes, good case for using it like this. 2016-10-19T04:45:43 < LeelooMinai> And I answered. It's good if you will use debugger to look at it. Not that good if you want to look at it programmatically obviously. 2016-10-19T04:46:26 < aandrew> I like static vars and static functions to limit scope 2016-10-19T04:49:17 < rajkosto> if your only requirement is "count how many times function is called for profiling reasons" 2016-10-19T04:49:18 < rajkosto> then yes 2016-10-19T04:49:22 < rajkosto> static at the top is a way of doing that 2016-10-19T04:49:58 < rajkosto> the problem is, you wont have any way of resetting that 2016-10-19T04:50:23 < aandrew> rajkosto: sure you do 2016-10-19T04:50:27 < aandrew> you do it programmatically 2016-10-19T04:50:37 < rajkosto> it will be set to 0 the first time the function is called if you ahve =0 initializer 2016-10-19T04:50:37 < aandrew> pass a 'reset' into the function or something if it's important 2016-10-19T04:50:44 < aandrew> make it a global if need be 2016-10-19T04:50:51 < rajkosto> yeah... modifying argument list for profiling reasons isnt a good thing 2016-10-19T04:51:00 < aandrew> rajkosto: statics are set to zero without any initializer at all 2016-10-19T04:51:15 < aandrew> they go in BSS which is zeroed before main() 2016-10-19T04:51:47 < rajkosto> i know is that if you init a static inside a func, it emits a bool along with the static 2016-10-19T04:51:58 < dongs> wat' 2016-10-19T04:52:01 < rajkosto> the bool is then checked every function invocation 2016-10-19T04:52:05 < rajkosto> so that the initializer runs only once 2016-10-19T04:52:11 < dongs> fuck off 2016-10-19T04:52:14 < dongs> maybe with gcc or C++ 2016-10-19T04:52:16 < aandrew> rajkosto: uh, no 2016-10-19T04:52:21 < dongs> statics inside function go into same global static area 2016-10-19T04:52:29 < dongs> that is initializsed once at reset 2016-10-19T04:52:37 < aandrew> if you need ot do that you can do bool first and if (first) { do init time stuff; first = false; } 2016-10-19T04:52:39 < LeelooMinai> .bss 2016-10-19T04:52:45 < rajkosto> aandrew, it totally emits the bool 2016-10-19T04:53:05 < LeelooMinai> The bullshit segment:p 2016-10-19T04:53:12 < dongs> no it doesnt 2016-10-19T04:53:22 < rajkosto> ok then what happens with static int something = 5; 2016-10-19T04:53:26 < aandrew> rajkosto: there is another section that copies over initialzed data 2016-10-19T04:53:33 < aandrew> there's no bool unless you have a retarded compiler 2016-10-19T04:53:34 < dongs> ^ 2016-10-19T04:53:44 < rajkosto> the bool must be for restricting side-effects in C++ then. 2016-10-19T04:53:52 < rajkosto> or if you do static int whatever = func(); in C? 2016-10-19T04:53:54 < dongs> "side effects" of "C++" 2016-10-19T04:54:06 < dongs> one of htem is autism 2016-10-19T04:54:16 < rajkosto> one of them is great zero cost abstractions bro 2016-10-19T04:54:19 < rajkosto> dont be mad 2016-10-19T04:54:24 < rajkosto> that your language is from the 80s 2016-10-19T04:54:26 < dongs> you lost me at 'zero' 2016-10-19T04:55:22 < LeelooMinai> Imagine dongs saying something like "I do not agree with you and here is why..." 2016-10-19T04:55:26 < dongs> R2COM: what a generic question. I use stuff as it needs to be 2016-10-19T04:55:46 < aandrew> rajkosto: 2016-10-19T04:55:47 < aandrew> int main(void) 2016-10-19T04:55:47 < aandrew> { static int foo = 0x123; return 0; 2016-10-19T04:55:47 < aandrew> } 2016-10-19T04:55:49 < aandrew> and 2016-10-19T04:55:51 < LeelooMinai> It would be like suddenly a monkey started to talk in human lan language. 2016-10-19T04:56:02 < aandrew> Disassembly of section __DATA,__data: 2016-10-19T04:56:02 < aandrew> _main.foo: 2016-10-19T04:56:02 < aandrew> 100001000: 23 01 andl (%rcx), %eax 2016-10-19T04:56:02 < aandrew> 100001002: 00 00 addb %al, (%rax) 2016-10-19T04:56:20 < dongs> (never midn that it probably got optimized out, but dude why are you even wasting time 2016-10-19T04:56:33 < dongs> aandrew: even THINKING that ac ompiler would emit a bool to check this 2016-10-19T04:56:40 < dongs> is basically like admitting ohsix is right 2016-10-19T04:56:40 < aandrew> nah 2016-10-19T04:56:44 < aandrew> he's trying to rationalize it 2016-10-19T04:56:47 < aandrew> nothing wrong with that 2016-10-19T04:56:50 < dongs> there's no rationale 2016-10-19T04:56:55 < dongs> its just insane 2016-10-19T04:57:04 < LeelooMinai> "There's no rationale. There's only dongs" 2016-10-19T04:57:35 < LeelooMinai> I think dongs also has some God-syndrom 2016-10-19T04:57:36 < rajkosto> aandrew, dont optimize it out 2016-10-19T04:57:47 < aandrew> rajkosto: huh? 2016-10-19T04:58:26 < aandrew> https://youtu.be/SGJ5cZnoodY 2016-10-19T04:58:51 < dongs> oh that fucking bunnie fagot 2016-10-19T04:58:53 < dongs> closed. 2016-10-19T04:59:04 < dongs> "hacker and maker" 2016-10-19T04:59:08 < dongs> more like annoying chink 2016-10-19T04:59:32 < aandrew> I'd like to visit shenzen sometime 2016-10-19T04:59:39 < dongs> me2, tix are liek $60 2016-10-19T04:59:40 < aandrew> shenzhen rather 2016-10-19T04:59:48 < dongs> but way too lazy/busy 2016-10-19T04:59:52 < aandrew> dongs: well yeah you're like neighbours 2016-10-19T05:03:34 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, seems Dave really really does not like the solar roadway ideas... 2016-10-19T05:03:48 < aandrew> heh yeah 2016-10-19T05:03:50 < aandrew> they are a scam 2016-10-19T05:03:54 < aandrew> but yeah he *really* dislikes them 2016-10-19T05:04:06 < LeelooMinai> He has another 30 min video where he just points out how lame those people are. 2016-10-19T05:04:27 < LeelooMinai> But he is right overall I guess, just a bit too passionate maybe. 2016-10-19T05:14:15 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: It has a filter that drops your connection every time you use the world "faggot" 2016-10-19T05:14:22 < LeelooMinai> word* 2016-10-19T05:15:19 < LeelooMinai> R2COM: But this is a safe space channel... Only for bigots:) 2016-10-19T05:15:50 < LeelooMinai> I guess everyone who was banned in other places eventually comes here:p 2016-10-19T05:15:59 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: The what? 2016-10-19T05:16:14 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T05:16:40 < LeelooMinai> A, this, only superficaially... You think I sit here and read all PDFs like that? :p 2016-10-19T05:17:14 < LeelooMinai> I am mostly coding/IRCing 2016-10-19T05:17:56 < LeelooMinai> Well, I guess some people on IRC do... 2016-10-19T05:18:08 < LeelooMinai> But maybe I am not that "extreme" 2016-10-19T05:18:23 < aandrew> hm? 2016-10-19T05:18:48 < LeelooMinai> I mean I may be old - I don't have attention to read sich PDF from top to bottom nowadays:/ 2016-10-19T05:19:03 < aandrew> interesting book 2016-10-19T05:19:09 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-19T05:24:14 < stvn> usb shits 2016-10-19T05:25:44 < stvn> sup man 2016-10-19T05:26:02 < stvn> you should. 2016-10-19T05:26:08 < stvn> i approve of this. 2016-10-19T05:27:51 < stvn> who 2016-10-19T05:28:10 < stvn> man bun is for FAGGOTS 2016-10-19T05:28:22 < dongs> he's a complete fucking weeb 2016-10-19T05:28:32 < dongs> all his bullshit scambiz's have retarded kawaii jap names 2016-10-19T05:28:47 < LeelooMinai> stvn: Watch it - it has been found that some routers disconnect when you use that "faggot" world. 2016-10-19T05:29:07 < dongs> https://www.kosagi.com/w/index.php?title=Main_Page 2016-10-19T05:29:09 < dongs> like this trash 2016-10-19T05:29:44 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T05:29:52 < dongs> Sutajio Ko-usagi PTE LTD specializes in the production and support of open hardware products designed by bunnie of bunniestudios. While bunniestudios is an IP-oriented company, Sutajio Ko-usagi is an operations-oriented company, focused on the manufacturing and sales of hardware to OEMs and hobbyists. It is based in Singapore. 2016-10-19T05:29:57 < dongs> fucking weebs 2016-10-19T05:32:09 * LeelooMinai googled weeb and learned another semi-useless neo-word 2016-10-19T05:32:45 < LeelooMinai> It's hard to keep with all those new memes, words, etc.:) 2016-10-19T05:33:32 < LeelooMinai> Especially since it's hard to tell which are supposed to be offentsive and which not. 2016-10-19T05:33:56 < LeelooMinai> I guess, everything that dongs uses is offensive, so that's one clue... 2016-10-19T05:44:33 < stvn> dirty 2016-10-19T05:46:00 < rajkosto> bunnie is the fagget which failed with chumby, right ? 2016-10-19T05:46:26 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: ... you have been dongified too? :/ 2016-10-19T05:46:33 < rajkosto> why not 2016-10-19T05:46:36 < rajkosto> 'tis the season 2016-10-19T05:47:03 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: It's sad... Don't let the world to be full of dongs-talk imo:) 2016-10-19T05:47:21 < rajkosto> its the broken window effect 2016-10-19T05:49:12 < dongs> there's plenty of indication he probably IS a faggot, literally 2016-10-19T05:49:17 < LeelooMinai> Right... but you have to be strong... 2016-10-19T05:49:20 < dongs> he always hangs around dudes 2016-10-19T05:49:27 < LeelooMinai> You see... 2016-10-19T05:49:28 < dongs> never seen any pics /vids of him around any hcicks 2016-10-19T05:49:36 < rajkosto> dongs, why would you hang around chicks ? 2016-10-19T05:49:44 < dongs> no idea 2016-10-19T05:49:52 < rajkosto> too busy makering 2016-10-19T05:50:04 < dongs> too busy making garbage more like 2016-10-19T05:50:35 < LeelooMinai> dongs is still in 1800s or earlier in terms of social evolution - he thinks that ones sexuality is somehow a determinant of ones value:) 2016-10-19T05:51:14 < LeelooMinai> O, Pablo Escobar 2016-10-19T05:52:29 < LeelooMinai> I mean I watched this series not so long ago...: http://i.imgur.com/XC7TyCv.jpg 2016-10-19T05:52:57 < rajkosto> at least he didnt find a way to shoehorn his dumb wife into the video this time 2016-10-19T05:53:45 < LeelooMinai> lol, no kidding 2016-10-19T05:54:26 < rajkosto> LeelooMinai, does sigrok am have USART decoder ? 2016-10-19T05:54:40 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: What is "am"? 2016-10-19T05:54:50 < rajkosto> has anyone ever decided on what how more do what look like ? 2016-10-19T05:55:03 < rajkosto> ohsix, i like his art video 2016-10-19T05:55:56 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: It has all the basic serial decoders and a lot of not so common ones. 2016-10-19T05:56:18 < LeelooMinai> Like some obscure hardware device ones if someone contributed them. 2016-10-19T05:56:39 < LeelooMinai> Has USB, JTAG, SVD for sure. 2016-10-19T05:56:53 < LeelooMinai> SWD* 2016-10-19T05:57:07 < rajkosto> i need either SDIO or USART with 0 start bit 1 stop bit 2016-10-19T05:57:28 < rajkosto> too much effort 2016-10-19T05:58:38 < rajkosto> LeelooMinai, ok now how do i reduce channel count to 8 so i have the most space ? 2016-10-19T05:58:59 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: In Sigrok stuff? 2016-10-19T05:59:02 < rajkosto> yes 2016-10-19T05:59:07 < rajkosto> it has the most minimal config window ever made 2016-10-19T05:59:15 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: How should I know - I use DS Logic:p 2016-10-19T05:59:33 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: There's #sigrok thourh 2016-10-19T06:00:17 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.37.58] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-19T06:00:32 * LeelooMinai googles what is "dongs influenza" 2016-10-19T06:00:38 < LeelooMinai> A, influence, ok ok 2016-10-19T06:01:17 < rajkosto> ohsix, does it automatically switch the thing into 8 bit mode then ? 2016-10-19T06:02:50 < rajkosto> im gonna do 100Mhz 2016-10-19T06:03:20 < LeelooMinai> My DS Logic can do 400MHz, but on 4 channels only (200 on 8, 100 on 16) 2016-10-19T06:03:52 < LeelooMinai> It's nice, but the software took like 3 years to be usable - it was pissing me off:) 2016-10-19T06:04:31 < LeelooMinai> That's why I was looking at sigrok from time to time. But nowadays DS Logic software is ok, so I can recommend it I guess. 2016-10-19T06:04:48 < rajkosto> this is why i didnt use sigrok last time 2016-10-19T06:04:51 < rajkosto> its super barebones basic garbage 2016-10-19T06:05:16 < LeelooMinai> Yes, they are trying to improve it, but go like snails with the GUI part. 2016-10-19T06:07:16 < rajkosto> fuck this thing. 2016-10-19T06:07:23 < rajkosto> it just says generic error 2016-10-19T06:07:30 < LeelooMinai> DS Logic looks like this now, pretty decent: http://i.imgur.com/eoNzqjt.png 2016-10-19T06:08:05 < rajkosto> maybe i can export waveforms from my thing into sigrok and analyze them there 2016-10-19T06:08:06 < LeelooMinai> Has like 50 decoders 2016-10-19T06:08:39 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: lol, last time I tried it I crashed their import functionality:p 2016-10-19T06:09:08 < LeelooMinai> Later they found that sigrok was crashing when there was BOM char in CSV files... 2016-10-19T06:09:49 < LeelooMinai> Yes, it's your fault that you don't don't have a life to write the code yourself:p 2016-10-19T06:10:11 < rajkosto> englishman, saleae clone on aliexpress 2016-10-19T06:10:30 < LeelooMinai> englishman: You can get saleae clone for sub $10, but it's 8 channel at 24MHz. But continous stream, so no size limits. 2016-10-19T06:10:41 < rajkosto> it also skips/drops if your usb drops 2016-10-19T06:10:45 < rajkosto> so top kek 2016-10-19T06:11:41 < LeelooMinai> So like saleae more or less - direct streaming through their High Speed USB thin on that micro 2016-10-19T06:12:02 < rajkosto> ohsix, fx2 is 8ch 2016-10-19T06:12:02 < rajkosto> not 16 2016-10-19T06:12:30 < LeelooMinai> It's nice and all for many cases, but having more sampling rates is nice. 2016-10-19T06:12:46 < rajkosto> pretty sure that small 56pin fx2 is only 8bit GPIF 2016-10-19T06:13:00 < rajkosto> unless they multiplex it somehow ? 2016-10-19T06:13:08 < rajkosto> as i remember GPIF was 48MHz 2016-10-19T06:13:35 < rajkosto> but thats just a raw dev board, how could they 2016-10-19T06:13:41 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: They frok the DS Logic software from sigrok long time ago 2016-10-19T06:13:46 < LeelooMinai> forked* 2016-10-19T06:14:44 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.63.141] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T06:16:25 < rajkosto> i just bought that thing anyway 2016-10-19T06:16:26 < rajkosto> why not 2016-10-19T06:16:33 < rajkosto> even tho i have like 2016-10-19T06:16:37 < rajkosto> 3 fx2lp dev boards alreayd 2016-10-19T06:17:07 < rajkosto> some have the bigger version, not the cheapy 56pin 2016-10-19T06:25:23 < rajkosto> thats kk 2016-10-19T06:28:07 < rajkosto> fx3 bad at gpio 2016-10-19T06:28:12 < rajkosto> slower than fx2 2016-10-19T06:28:19 < rajkosto> the superspeed explorer kit is only 50$ tho 2016-10-19T06:28:20 < rajkosto> great value 2016-10-19T06:31:28 < rajkosto> parallel transfer from fpgas 2016-10-19T06:31:56 < rajkosto> has to go through 3 buses 2016-10-19T06:31:58 < rajkosto> max speed is 2MHz 2016-10-19T06:32:26 < rajkosto> if you figure out how to wire your interface through GPIF 2 designer 2016-10-19T06:32:29 < rajkosto> you get free dma 2016-10-19T06:32:57 < rajkosto> there's templates for camera interfaces and IDE too 2016-10-19T06:33:53 < rajkosto> dongs hates it tho 2016-10-19T06:34:02 < rajkosto> so another pro 2016-10-19T06:34:13 < dongs> i switch to this window and see autism 2016-10-19T06:34:24 < rajkosto> dad, are you autistic ? 2016-10-19T06:34:27 < rajkosto> SONIC'S MY NAME SPEED'S MY GAME 2016-10-19T06:35:03 * stvn lights a cigar 2016-10-19T06:36:27 < rajkosto> LeelooMinai, https://images.sshnuke.net/2016-10-19_05-36-08.png why this happen 2016-10-19T06:39:12 < upgrdman> lol. for when you want some python style in java. wtf. https://i.redd.it/vox68l5tr9sx.jpg 2016-10-19T06:41:17 < dongs> hipster text editor colorscheme detected 2016-10-19T06:41:45 < rajkosto> nope 2016-10-19T06:41:49 < rajkosto> thats hipster 2016-10-19T06:43:21 < rajkosto> i do 2016-10-19T06:43:23 < rajkosto> it doesnt look like that 2016-10-19T06:43:29 < rajkosto> neither does the font 2016-10-19T06:43:33 < rajkosto> this is a hipster editor like atom 2016-10-19T06:43:39 < rajkosto> sublime isnt that smushy either 2016-10-19T06:44:14 < dongs> > paying for a text editor 2016-10-19T06:44:29 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2016-10-19_05-44-30.png 2016-10-19T06:47:35 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T06:48:22 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: What do you mean why this happens? Happens what? 2016-10-19T06:48:35 < rajkosto> why i get invalid response 2016-10-19T06:48:41 < rajkosto> but it seems to have the correct length 2016-10-19T06:48:51 < LeelooMinai> lol @ dongs telling everyone that he is paying for this or that like it was some determinant of superiority 2016-10-19T06:49:33 < LeelooMinai> rajkosto: No idea - I never dealt with this protocol. 2016-10-19T06:50:50 < rajkosto> nvm 2016-10-19T06:50:54 < rajkosto> for eMMC that is correct ! 2016-10-19T06:51:15 < rajkosto> https://images.sshnuke.net/2016-10-19_05-51-04.png 2016-10-19T06:52:23 < rajkosto> JESD84-A441 2016-10-19T06:53:06 < rajkosto> 4.41 is current ver 2016-10-19T06:53:09 < rajkosto> you can get it from jedec.org 2016-10-19T06:53:24 < rajkosto> DO NOT BREAK THE LAWWW 2016-10-19T06:53:46 < rajkosto> murphy's law 2016-10-19T06:54:24 < dongs> its very well known among pro EEs that alldatasheet.com is THE source for most up to date datasheets 2016-10-19T06:54:32 < dongs> never go to manufacturers website to get htem 2016-10-19T06:54:37 * LeelooMinai squints and notices that they wag a finger too 2016-10-19T06:54:50 < rajkosto> dongs, i like the ones that have a in-build pdf renderer where you have to meitculously browse each page instead 2016-10-19T06:55:07 < rajkosto> as a 96dpi jpeg, of course 2016-10-19T06:55:23 < dongs> sounds liek wank-u.baidu.com 2016-10-19T07:12:54 -!- ac|work [~ardu@178.124.147.109] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-19T07:20:28 -!- ac|work [~ardu@178.124.147.109] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T07:21:35 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/l7XL5m3.jpg R2COM playing VR games 2016-10-19T07:22:08 < LeelooMinai> And dongs in front of him:p 2016-10-19T07:44:45 < stvn> the dirty 2016-10-19T07:46:20 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T07:49:39 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-19T07:49:45 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-19T07:52:48 < LeelooMinai> Thelma and Luise 2016-10-19T07:52:58 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-19T07:54:38 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T07:58:32 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I need something interface-like in constexpr context... 2016-10-19T07:58:40 < LeelooMinai> In C++14... any ideas? :) 2016-10-19T07:59:04 < LeelooMinai> I am doing it right, that's the problem:p 2016-10-19T08:00:03 < LeelooMinai> I mean not sure yet if there's something analogous I can use, but interfaces would solve this:/ 2016-10-19T08:01:23 < LeelooMinai> Like what... pythin for micros? :) 2016-10-19T08:01:30 < LeelooMinai> python* 2016-10-19T08:02:40 < LeelooMinai> I have hal::gpio::Config, hal::exti::Config and hal::syscfg::Config and the problem is that for configuring pins as extenal irq capable the config is spread about those 3 modules 2016-10-19T08:03:26 < dongs> everyone's fav SO8 Pfet 2016-10-19T08:03:27 < dongs> go 2016-10-19T08:03:45 < LeelooMinai> So, logical thing to do would be having a config structure for pin that would encompass all the settings for it in one place, and then each module would get an interface view into this structure to configure itself. 2016-10-19T08:03:56 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/914253ce40a747458d3ddbbc2a044ccf?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=664ec12f9ae06e9f80ec6fbfe3ac3de1 2016-10-19T08:04:34 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/1T6bagd 2016-10-19T08:04:53 < upgrdman> :/ 2016-10-19T08:04:57 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: But I am using full C++14 - it's not like it does not have those features (obviously virtual base can be used,) but I am talking about constexpr's - that is, doing this at compile (metaprogramming in a sense) 2016-10-19T08:05:44 < jpa-> metaprogramming as in not accomplishing anything useful 2016-10-19T08:06:07 < stvn> i hate pfet 2016-10-19T08:06:10 < LeelooMinai> Man, people on IRC are so negative:) 2016-10-19T08:06:14 < upgrdman> stvn, y 2016-10-19T08:06:15 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: How do you know? 2016-10-19T08:06:31 < LeelooMinai> I am doing something super useful in embedded context... 2016-10-19T08:06:50 < stvn> upgrdman: probably just hate high side bucks :3 2016-10-19T08:07:01 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Why did you imediatelly assume it's not useful, he? 2016-10-19T08:07:14 < upgrdman> stvn, high side? as in not gnd-referenced? 2016-10-19T08:07:26 < jpa-> yet another c++ hal, which will probably have portability to at most a few processors; a nice learning experience, but your time might be better spent doing what you actually want to do with the mcu 2016-10-19T08:07:32 < stvn> upgrdman: sure 2016-10-19T08:08:21 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: If everyone would think like that, we would be still using horses instead of cars... 2016-10-19T08:08:25 < stvn> but ICs take care of that anyway 2016-10-19T08:08:58 < dongs> lmao. jpa- tells the truth 2016-10-19T08:09:04 < dongs> while autists keep hammering away at keyboard 2016-10-19T08:09:17 < dongs> this is what separates pros from the trolls 2016-10-19T08:09:33 < LeelooMinai> lol, dongs is such a gongs 2016-10-19T08:10:27 < LeelooMinai> He lives in this weird bubble where he thinks he is a pro, and everyone else is retarded because has goals and almost everything else non-dongs like 2016-10-19T08:10:47 < LeelooMinai> The ultimate IRC bigot 2016-10-19T08:11:25 < LeelooMinai> Kind of bordering on the Kruger syndrom too. So far gone, that it's difficult to tell really... 2016-10-19T08:11:50 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/0w2b96M.jpg 2016-10-19T08:12:08 < dongs> hey upgrdman how's your STM32 projects doing 2016-10-19T08:12:20 < upgrdman> stalled 2016-10-19T08:12:31 < dongs> i wonder why 2016-10-19T08:12:33 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Don't tell him - he will tell you you are autistic :) 2016-10-19T08:12:36 < upgrdman> been spending most of my free time learning opengl 2016-10-19T08:12:49 < upgrdman> and redditing, as we can see 2016-10-19T08:13:01 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: He will also now tell you how you don't want to get "shit" done. 2016-10-19T08:14:04 < LeelooMinai> Unless he can read what I type, but that would mean he did not really ignore me:p 2016-10-19T08:15:05 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: have you looked at laks, btw? 2016-10-19T08:15:18 < upgrdman> englishman, really? ok :( 2016-10-19T08:15:20 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: No, but I shaved many yaks 2016-10-19T08:15:39 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: it's zyp's c++ hal, might get some nice ideas or be able to reuse something 2016-10-19T08:15:47 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: You thought people like looking at creepy Trump? :p 2016-10-19T08:16:07 < jpa-> https://github.com/zyp/laks 2016-10-19T08:16:15 < upgrdman> englishman, waiting for more of laurence's links, huh? 2016-10-19T08:16:22 < dongs> iksnt that an old copy 2016-10-19T08:16:26 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Right, he was showing me something about templates once. But I took different approach - no templates mostly, but constexpr's 2016-10-19T08:16:27 < dongs> his shit is at cgit.jvnv or whaetrver 2016-10-19T08:16:43 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-19T08:16:44 < dongs> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/usb 2016-10-19T08:17:22 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2016-10-19T08:17:23 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: yeah, that's the kind of stuff that seems a bit useless to me, rewriting same stuff just because one likes constexprs and another likes templates 2016-10-19T08:17:25 < LeelooMinai> It has to be like a well made custom dress - fit everywher nicely:p 2016-10-19T08:17:47 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: I have different goals, target different mcu(s) probably, etc. 2016-10-19T08:18:10 < LeelooMinai> Different features, different approaches, etc. 2016-10-19T08:18:20 < rajkosto> jpa-, never refactored ? 2016-10-19T08:18:28 < jpa-> why does one even need a HAL if it is not for reuse? 2016-10-19T08:18:36 < dongs> heh 2016-10-19T08:18:44 < jpa-> rajkosto: only when there is clear benefit 2016-10-19T08:18:51 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: What do you mean "not for reause" - it's for reuse, but just for me 2016-10-19T08:18:57 < rajkosto> the c++14 stuff makes it easier to use 2016-10-19T08:19:02 < dongs> jpa-: my producitivity doubled after placing LeelooMinai on ignore 2016-10-19T08:19:08 < jpa-> dongs: not surprised 2016-10-19T08:19:17 < rajkosto> dongs, you dont do anything tho 2016-10-19T08:19:20 < rajkosto> 2x0 = 0 2016-10-19T08:19:31 < dongs> raj, you only wish that was true. 2016-10-19T08:19:32 < jpa-> but LeelooMinai's is not on the R2COM-level so i kind of don't want to ignore 2016-10-19T08:19:42 < LeelooMinai> I am not surprised too - after putting me on ignore, he temporarily ran out of people to attack:p 2016-10-19T08:20:03 < LeelooMinai> But R2COM2 is dongs buddy... 2016-10-19T08:20:24 < upgrdman> is the f072disco the only cheapish f0 dev board with usb? 2016-10-19T08:20:37 < jpa-> i wonder how divided this channel really is in ignore groups 2016-10-19T08:20:48 < jpa-> maybe ohsix and R2COM are best buddies and i just see nothing about it 2016-10-19T08:21:06 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: No, ohsix seems to be hated by dongs and R2COM... 2016-10-19T08:21:10 < upgrdman> dont think they are 2016-10-19T08:21:47 < dongs> upgrdman: f0nucleo? 2016-10-19T08:21:52 < dongs> 64pin version etc. 2016-10-19T08:22:05 < LeelooMinai> As I see it, this channel is like a bigot's nest - some kind of save heaven for haters. Not sure why, considering it's supposed to be about STMs, but probably because dongs:p 2016-10-19T08:22:15 < LeelooMinai> safe* 2016-10-19T08:22:36 < upgrdman> dongs, this? http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/stmicroelectronics/NUCLEO-F070RB/497-15095-ND/5047473 wheres the usb 2016-10-19T08:22:48 < upgrdman> or is it combined with the stlink usb somehow? 2016-10-19T08:23:07 < LeelooMinai> Those nucelos have detachable stlink 2.1 2016-10-19T08:23:16 < LeelooMinai> You can see it on the pcb clearly. 2016-10-19T08:23:53 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: i like the idiots here better than the idiots on ##electronics :P 2016-10-19T08:23:56 < dongs> o yea.. urrite. i was thinking 072b-0disco that had 2 usbs there 2016-10-19T08:24:14 < upgrdman> ok cool 2016-10-19T08:24:27 < upgrdman> kinda wish someone made a lil f0 usb board like emeb's, but for sal 2016-10-19T08:24:27 < dongs> i haev that in my box of "stm32 devboards I never use" 2016-10-19T08:24:30 < upgrdman> sale* 2016-10-19T08:24:34 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: I don't have problem with idiots as much as with bigots/homphobes/racists/etc. 2016-10-19T08:24:58 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: yeah, i'm white hetero male so i don't have that part of the problem :P 2016-10-19T08:25:14 < upgrdman> white hetero male FTW 2016-10-19T08:25:36 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: But what does it have to do with anything... You may be hetero male and still not be a hater, no? :) 2016-10-19T08:25:54 < dongs> i have 3 F746-discos :| 2016-10-19T08:26:02 < dongs> i think all were free 2016-10-19T08:26:07 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: sure, but i don't get the attacks (and fortunately on IRC no-one needs to tell what they really are) 2016-10-19T08:26:26 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/16244280610 :p 2016-10-19T08:26:54 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Well, I could use male-nick... like probably most women on IRC, but I thought "bugger that, what is this, middle ages"... 2016-10-19T08:27:06 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/short/390fhd upgrdman nothing of value there 2016-10-19T08:27:12 < LeelooMinai> But I guess I underestimated people like dongs:p 2016-10-19T08:27:49 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/mikroelektronika/MIKROE-1518/1471-1473-ND/5609410 loljunk 2016-10-19T08:28:10 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: nicks are so culture dependent, i really couldn't say from your nick what gender it is supposed to be 2016-10-19T08:28:20 < dongs> nah 2016-10-19T08:28:29 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Probably you did not watch the movie... 2016-10-19T08:28:33 < dongs> i acutally used 401RB nucleo to prototype stuff 2016-10-19T08:28:37 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: probably :) 2016-10-19T08:28:56 < LeelooMinai> You see dongs uses them - so that means that they connot be junk. 2016-10-19T08:29:10 < dongs> jpa-: thats waht all transhackkittens do. pick a somewhat genderfluid nick and spend hte rest of their time trying to get channel dicks up 2016-10-19T08:29:15 < LeelooMinai> Because he is pro and all:) 2016-10-19T08:29:17 < dongs> like 64pin shit 2016-10-19T08:29:24 < dongs> R-whatever flash it comes wiht 2016-10-19T08:29:28 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, if youre gonna be retarded, go all the way: http://farrellf.com/temp/stlink_chopped_pcb.jpg 2016-10-19T08:29:54 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: You see what I mean? He somehow has a need to label someone transgendered and spew this hate in the channel... 2016-10-19T08:30:12 < dongs> is taht nrst switch 2016-10-19T08:30:35 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: yeah, dongs is dongs and i wouldn't want to be him, but what can one do.. 2016-10-19T08:30:41 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Well, this looks funny, I know, but it was not retarded - those Nucleo boards are designed for that though you better clean the edge after cutting so there are no shorts. 2016-10-19T08:31:00 < dongs> englishman: no, 401 2016-10-19T08:31:04 < dongs> 401 != 410 2016-10-19T08:31:08 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Many things - not follow him like some leader, like R2COM, upgrdman, etc. :) 2016-10-19T08:31:17 < dongs> 401 is super cheap and lacks any retarded peripherals one doesn't need 2016-10-19T08:31:31 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: true; even Tectu tries to imitate him sometimes which is just silly 2016-10-19T08:31:35 < dongs> R = pins, C,D,E = flash size 2016-10-19T08:32:03 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: I sometimes feel like this is some KKK channel:p 2016-10-19T08:32:05 < dongs> The STM32F410x8/B belong to the STM32 Dynamic Efficiency™ product line (with products combining power efficiency, performance and integration) while adding a new innovative feature called Batch Acquisition Mode (BAM) allowing to save even more power consumption during data batching. 2016-10-19T08:32:10 < dongs> lolwat 2016-10-19T08:32:12 < dongs> BAM 2016-10-19T08:33:13 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: in my opinion it is just a regular internet troll channel 2016-10-19T08:33:13 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T08:33:32 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Not sure... It's much worse than others imo... 2016-10-19T08:33:32 < dongs> jpa-: why are you fueling stupid. 2016-10-19T08:33:36 < upgrdman> lol 2016-10-19T08:33:39 < dongs> if attention is not given, attention seeker leaves 2016-10-19T08:33:41 < dongs> its pretty fucking simple 2016-10-19T08:33:58 < LeelooMinai> You see, he cannot just bear that someone did not follow his lead:p 2016-10-19T08:34:06 < jpa-> dongs: maybe this discussion has been discussed before but i haven't been there, so not 100% bored yet 2016-10-19T08:34:15 < dongs> i mean, i ahve no idea what he's blogging about since LeelooMinai is on ignore but, i can imagine its some bullshit SJW safe-spacey trash how people should be respected on irc 2016-10-19T08:34:35 < LeelooMinai> I bet he sits there in his room, biting fingernails thinking "OMG, SJWs has attacked my channel" 2016-10-19T08:34:51 < LeelooMinai> lol, you see... 2016-10-19T08:35:05 -!- danielinux [sbnc@danielinux.default.trexotech.uk0.bigv.io] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-19T08:35:05 -!- danielinux [sbnc@fosdem/staff/danielinux] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T08:35:09 < LeelooMinai> And I am neither transgendered or any kind of SJW - he is hilarious 2016-10-19T08:35:24 < jpa-> ok, 100% boredom achieved, i'm not going to be the middleman between LeelooMinai and dongs :P 2016-10-19T08:35:26 < dongs> upgrdman: conclusion, 072B-disco is the best value 2016-10-19T08:35:54 < jpa-> maybe i'll do some work now 2016-10-19T08:37:13 < LeelooMinai> Right, and no one had C++14 constexpr interfaces ideas... 2016-10-19T08:37:28 < dongs> hm m410 has 512bytes OTP 2016-10-19T08:37:33 < dongs> er F410 2016-10-19T08:40:40 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T08:43:53 < dongs> way2go, ST picked some obscure CR2032 holder on the L152-disco 2016-10-19T08:43:53 < dongs> CR2032 with B7410AP2L 2016-10-19T08:44:03 < dongs> B7410AP2L = some LOTES part that i never heard of 2016-10-19T08:44:47 < dongs> hm wat its not even on lotes site 2016-10-19T08:44:57 < dongs> doesnt follow their naming scheme either 2016-10-19T08:54:14 < dongs> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/development-tools/software-development-tools/stm32-software-development-tools/stm32-programmers/stvp-stm32.html 2016-10-19T08:54:17 < dongs> why i cant downlaod this 2016-10-19T08:54:21 < dongs> it keeps popping up teh fucking license terms 2016-10-19T08:54:23 < dongs> and doing nothing 2016-10-19T08:54:40 < dongs> hm wait thats for stm32 2016-10-19T08:58:32 < dongs> what d oyou mean? 2016-10-19T08:58:34 < dongs> you can download the shit? 2016-10-19T08:58:37 < dongs> it just loops for me. 2016-10-19T08:59:07 < dongs> oh neesd login/register 2016-10-19T09:00:37 -!- extorr [~extor@unaffiliated/extor] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T09:02:58 < dongs> haahah 2016-10-19T09:03:00 < dongs> and that download 2016-10-19T09:03:02 < dongs> is actually 2016-10-19T09:03:04 < dongs> STVD for stm8 2016-10-19T09:03:10 -!- Jak_o_Shadows 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2016-10-19T09:50:00 -!- maenthri1 [maenthrie@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-lzrqqofxfxasnflc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T09:52:21 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-19T09:53:39 < LeelooMinai> Wee: http://i.imgur.com/FwcKpdQ.png 2016-10-19T09:54:47 < LeelooMinai> The basic stuff is done, now more fun things, like SPI, DMA, etc. 2016-10-19T09:55:26 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T09:57:57 < LeelooMinai> Well, I guess I could think about figuring out how to enforce using alternate functions on gpio, with real names, etc. 2016-10-19T09:59:07 < LeelooMinai> Since I have kind of a goal of configuration not requiring one to use any docs and not possible to misconfigure anything at the same time 2016-10-19T10:01:09 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T10:07:27 < rajkosto> dongs, eMMC worked just fine in a 3.3v MMC reader 2016-10-19T10:10:38 < dongs> > super shocked < 2016-10-19T10:11:19 < rajkosto> the reader being my laptop through an adapter going to wires going to pcb, which has some caps and the eMMC module deadbugged onto it 2016-10-19T10:11:44 < rajkosto> the readers/sockets that i could find that can fit this eMMC module were like 100$+ 2016-10-19T10:12:11 < dongs> so you got your shit back? 2016-10-19T10:12:16 < rajkosto> its goin 2016-10-19T10:12:26 < rajkosto> 50MHz x1 isnt that fast 2016-10-19T10:13:08 < dongs> glad to see common sense prevailed 2016-10-19T10:13:12 < rajkosto> well 2016-10-19T10:13:18 < rajkosto> i went iwth the gpio 2016-10-19T10:13:25 < rajkosto> UNTIL i read the CSD or whatever 2016-10-19T10:13:28 < rajkosto> and it showed supporting both voltages 2016-10-19T10:13:32 < rajkosto> then i was like aw hells yea 2016-10-19T10:13:36 < dongs> haha 2016-10-19T10:13:51 < rajkosto> my tiny usb trans flash reader is dead tho 2016-10-19T10:14:00 < rajkosto> died when i soldered some wires to it for some reason 2016-10-19T10:14:28 < rajkosto> why does china call it Trans flash or T-Flash 2016-10-19T10:15:04 < dongs> maybe in honour of hackkitten 2016-10-19T10:15:15 < rajkosto> its been like that since 2003 tho 2016-10-19T10:15:22 < rajkosto> even miniSD was called T-Flash 2016-10-19T10:16:51 < rajkosto> 3MB/s go go go 2016-10-19T10:25:36 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/uyk2i8c.gifv lmaooo gota get the safety blinkers on 2016-10-19T10:26:35 < upgrdman> what does LOTES mean 2016-10-19T10:26:42 < dongs> connector/shit maker 2016-10-19T10:26:46 < dongs> lotes.cc 2016-10-19T10:26:56 < dongs> a lto of their shit is in highvolume consume junk 2016-10-19T10:26:58 < dongs> consumer 2016-10-19T10:27:27 < PeterM> they OEM USB cables for basically every phone manufacturer 2016-10-19T10:27:33 < dongs> ya? 2016-10-19T10:27:35 < PeterM> ya 2016-10-19T10:27:35 < upgrdman> o 2016-10-19T10:27:59 < dongs> lotes notes 2016-10-19T10:29:37 -!- boB_K7IQ 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2016-10-19T11:51:14 < stvn> whats up 2016-10-19T11:51:55 < LeelooMinai> It's a name reappropriation. From this day on "faggot" on this channel will mean "cool guy". Done. 2016-10-19T11:52:17 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-19T11:52:34 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T11:52:35 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-19T11:52:45 < Fleck> LeelooMinai: share your wordreplacelist :D 2016-10-19T11:52:56 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T11:53:40 < rajkosto> dongs, whats more interesting is that the entire thing properly mounts perfectly because it uses a GUID partition table 2016-10-19T11:53:54 < rajkosto> android /system /data and FAT32 part properly mounted 2016-10-19T11:54:18 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-19T11:54:27 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T11:54:36 < stvn> Fleck, have you seen tectu 2016-10-19T11:54:56 < dongs> rajkosto: i only use windows and only know diskmgmt.msc and diskpart.exe 2016-10-19T11:55:07 < rajkosto> well for some reason windows only sees the GPT protection part 2016-10-19T11:55:08 < dongs> so wat you just said i have no idea 2016-10-19T11:55:13 < rajkosto> oh wait 2016-10-19T11:55:22 < rajkosto> thats because windows "removable drive" handling fucking sucks 2016-10-19T11:55:23 < rajkosto> it will ONLY 2016-10-19T11:55:28 < rajkosto> ONLY use the first partition it finds 2016-10-19T11:55:36 < dongs> sorry to hear that 2016-10-19T11:55:46 < dongs> i'm sure bill gataes is rushing to fix your lunix fagotry edge case as we speak 2016-10-19T11:55:50 < rajkosto> lol 2016-10-19T11:55:53 < rajkosto> its annoying 2016-10-19T11:55:55 < dongs> to make sure you have full access to something nobody else in the world ever will 2016-10-19T11:56:09 < rajkosto> because SDHC cards and up totally have partition tables 2016-10-19T11:56:16 < Fleck> no stvn 2016-10-19T11:56:16 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-19T11:56:25 < rajkosto> and you can even trick it to use the last area, just make it the second partition in the MBR 2016-10-19T11:56:27 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T11:56:28 < rajkosto> first* 2016-10-19T11:56:32 < stvn> think the needle is about to break on the autism scale 2016-10-19T11:56:35 < rajkosto> the actual physical address doesnt matter 2016-10-19T11:56:45 < dongs> stvn, that broke long time ago 2016-10-19T11:56:58 < dongs> i mean we have 2-3 people in here now spreading non-stop autism 2016-10-19T11:56:59 < dongs> 24/7 2016-10-19T11:57:02 < dongs> taking t urns 2016-10-19T11:57:05 < rajkosto> its even more stupid because... if its a usb "hard drive" vs a usb "removable drive", it evaluates all partitions properly 2016-10-19T11:57:09 < rajkosto> what is autism 2016-10-19T11:57:10 < Fleck> stvn: trying to move to STemWin :D 2016-10-19T11:57:23 < dongs> i downloaded emWin.7z from some chinese blog the other day 2016-10-19T11:57:32 < dongs> STemWin crashed on GUI_INit() 2016-10-19T11:57:35 < dongs> on RA8875 2016-10-19T11:57:51 < dongs> luckily thats not my project so I told the guy "here's this chinese shit I donwloaded" and its now his job to figure it out 2016-10-19T12:00:30 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-19T12:00:38 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T12:01:36 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T12:06:19 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-19T12:06:28 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T12:08:22 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-19T12:08:35 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T12:08:35 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-19T12:09:04 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T12:09:05 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-19T12:09:34 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T12:09:34 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-19T12:09:39 < dongs> http://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_5s-7260.php hmm $300 in china 2016-10-19T12:09:45 < dongs> isnt that basically google dixel but wihtout the faggotry 2016-10-19T12:09:56 -!- extorr is now known as extor 2016-10-19T12:10:05 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T12:10:05 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-19T12:10:34 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T12:10:34 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-19T12:11:04 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T12:11:05 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-19T12:11:36 -!- Thaolia [~thaolia@80.90.49.230] has joined 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2016-10-19T12:14:43 < dongs> hmm 2016-10-19T12:14:46 < dongs> thats neat 2016-10-19T12:15:00 < dongs> lets see when my 1000fps ships 2016-10-19T12:15:05 < dongs> er fps1000 2016-10-19T12:15:11 < dongs> last update sept 7, nie 2016-10-19T12:15:47 < stvn> i'd be pumping for xiaomi 2016-10-19T12:16:01 < dongs> As I said in my recent update, I will endeavour to fulfil all outstanding orders in the next 6-8 weeks 2016-10-19T12:16:04 < dongs> nice 2016-10-19T12:16:08 < dongs> 6-8 weeks from oct 5 2016-10-19T12:16:19 < stvn> isn't that what zano said 2016-10-19T12:16:28 < dongs> zano didn't have anything useful tho 2016-10-19T12:16:29 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1623255426/fps1000-the-low-cost-high-frame-rate-camera/comments 2016-10-19T12:16:36 < stvn> ic 2016-10-19T12:17:08 < rajkosto> is this guy trying to do what Spirit532 threatened to do 2016-10-19T12:18:21 < dongs> my only concern is every fucking single video he posted so far is horribly out of focus 2016-10-19T12:18:41 < dongs> or of somethign that doesnt need to be viewed at high fps 2016-10-19T12:23:43 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Fleck] by ChanServ 2016-10-19T12:23:49 < Steffanx> There you go Fleck. 2016-10-19T12:24:02 < dongs> Steffanx: .... 2016-10-19T12:24:08 < Steffanx> Oh too late. 2016-10-19T12:24:12 <@Fleck> gj Steffanx! 2016-10-19T12:24:26 <@Fleck> what? :P I don't need OP! 2016-10-19T12:25:34 < Steffanx> I had to do something, you asked that. But i see zyp already did something 2016-10-19T12:25:48 < stvn> what's happenin' Steffanx 2016-10-19T12:25:55 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Fleck] by Fleck 2016-10-19T12:27:26 < Steffanx> Sky. 2016-10-19T12:27:36 < stvn> :} 2016-10-19T12:27:52 < dongs> http://www.askvg.com/bug-fix-run-mru-history-list-is-always-empty-in-windows-10/ this has been raging me ever since i installed 1607 2016-10-19T12:32:01 -!- _franck__ [527f6536@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.127.101.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-19T12:32:21 < stvn> you got somethin' to say about it, i'll put a fucken coke can up ya pussy 2016-10-19T12:40:19 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-5eeaaac6-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T12:41:13 < Laurenceb_> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=96b_1476827446 2016-10-19T12:41:24 < kakimir> dongs: you know emergency blinks turn on without driver action 2016-10-19T12:43:34 < dongs> not in japan 2016-10-19T12:44:52 < stvn> yeah they just stick a wakazashi in ya gut 2016-10-19T12:44:54 < Thorn> http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/77952/previous-company-name-is-isis-how-to-list-on-cv 2016-10-19T12:45:35 < kakimir> I think european cars have done it since airbags 2016-10-19T12:45:49 < kakimir> also unlock doors 2016-10-19T12:46:02 < kakimir> cut fuel and ignition 2016-10-19T12:46:36 < kakimir> and airbags were pre-millenium 2016-10-19T12:47:04 < Laurenceb_> lul there is an isis company near me 2016-10-19T12:47:21 < Laurenceb_> changed to sisis with a badly glued on S 2016-10-19T12:47:37 < stvn> fucken pussys 2016-10-19T12:48:05 < Laurenceb_> its obvious what happened when you see their sign :D 2016-10-19T12:48:06 < stvn> they should have bombed isis 2016-10-19T12:48:15 < stvn> trademark n shit 2016-10-19T12:50:02 < rajkosto> did bunnie burn himself with a soldering iron on the left side of his face for the lulz or something 2016-10-19T12:50:20 < rajkosto> why he have a circle there 2016-10-19T12:50:45 < stvn> rajkosto, weren't you told before 2016-10-19T12:53:56 -!- _franck__ [527f6536@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.127.101.54] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T12:54:02 < rajkosto> tell me 2016-10-19T12:55:03 < rajkosto> is he a cyborg 2016-10-19T12:55:39 < stvn> weeb 2016-10-19T12:55:54 < rajkosto> did he put a rfid into his face 2016-10-19T12:55:54 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.47] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T12:56:11 < stvn> who cares 2016-10-19T12:56:20 < rajkosto> also, does "weeb" apply if he is asian 2016-10-19T12:56:55 < stvn> who cares 2016-10-19T12:58:37 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtkbioiQHmA 2016-10-19T12:59:55 < dongs> rajkosto: definitely 2016-10-19T13:00:15 < karlp> dongs: ever get any pfet suggestions? too much c++ factory building going on for me to take notes 2016-10-19T13:00:38 < dongs> karlp: nah just ended up selecting AOSMD @ digikey and picking top 5 byt price 2016-10-19T13:00:57 < dongs> AO4407A / AO4419 / AO4449 / AO4411 2016-10-19T13:07:27 < karlp> LeelooMinai: if we're going to live in modern times, could you perhaps please consider posting your code snippets as text rather than as images? I'm haivng issues with my screen reader and the colour choices... 2016-10-19T13:07:49 < rajkosto> but then how will you know what ugly theme they use 2016-10-19T13:09:36 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/UMnn1Qr.png karlp this is what transloo wishes everyone in the channel used 2016-10-19T13:10:45 < rajkosto> why you have to be so mean 2016-10-19T13:11:47 < rajkosto> she's a real girl a wild boar a wild boar 2016-10-19T13:12:06 < karlp> man, love those kreosan dudes 2016-10-19T13:12:33 < Fleck> ;P 2016-10-19T13:17:09 < karlp> heh, xiaomi is off brand one-plus... *chuckles* 2016-10-19T13:17:55 < rajkosto> are you using dragon naturally speaking 2016-10-19T13:18:03 < rajkosto> to listen to irc while doing chores 2016-10-19T13:18:21 < karlp> dongs: good choice I guess. they are.... THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA 2016-10-19T13:19:02 < karlp> rajkosto: just catching up on logs. 2016-10-19T13:19:02 < dongs> yeah just random cheap chink trash, at least one of those models I remember spotting on cheap ESCs 2016-10-19T13:19:10 < dongs> just need for reverse current protection anyway 2016-10-19T13:19:10 < karlp> secretarial work is hard ok :) 2016-10-19T13:19:49 < stvn> suck squeeze bang and blow 2016-10-19T13:20:19 < karlp> did you see zyp and braindamage fix my pfet for batter/vbus separation with a pfet instead of a schottkey? 2016-10-19T13:20:28 < dongs> hm? 2016-10-19T13:20:43 < dongs> how doyou fix a pfet with a pfet 2016-10-19T13:20:44 < karlp> hrm, not on this computer I don't think. 2016-10-19T13:20:52 < karlp> well, fix my failed attempt at using a pfet really. 2016-10-19T13:20:55 < dongs> ah 2016-10-19T13:21:13 < dongs> i used pfet to turn on/off another voltage rail on this board I made that ends up drawing 40uA at stop 2016-10-19T13:21:19 < dongs> just pulled gate to vcc with 1M resistor 2016-10-19T13:21:34 < rajkosto> wait i know you can use pfet for reverse polarity protection 2016-10-19T13:21:39 < rajkosto> but can you do it so that it acts exactly liek a diode ? 2016-10-19T13:21:48 < rajkosto> reverse current not voltage 2016-10-19T13:21:59 < karlp> I was using a schottkey on the vbat side, and just having to accept the vdrop, they fixed my idea of "pfets should be able to fix this" but it's a diode on the vbus side, a pfet and a pulldown 2016-10-19T13:22:03 < karlp> so not as cheap/small, but cool 2016-10-19T13:23:13 < dongs> is that to stop charging vbat or something? 2016-10-19T13:23:22 < karlp> rajkosto: http://bit.ly/2e0zKUK 2016-10-19T13:23:25 < karlp> dongs: yeah 2016-10-19T13:25:01 < stvn> yeah thats pretty cool 2016-10-19T13:28:56 < rajkosto> we're going on a butt sniffing adventure 2016-10-19T13:31:08 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: I learned electronics from EEVblog] 2016-10-19T13:34:39 < Steffanx> Rajkosto, who are you? Or are you newish and did you find yourself a new home? 2016-10-19T13:34:51 < rajkosto> im from #fpga 2016-10-19T13:34:57 < rajkosto> bunch of fools from there are here 2016-10-19T13:34:58 < karlp> he came to get advice on reading his emmc via sdio, he got it, and it's working. 2016-10-19T13:34:58 < rajkosto> why not 2016-10-19T13:35:01 < karlp> channel win I'd say 2016-10-19T13:35:08 < Steffanx> You seem to blend in wrll :P 2016-10-19T13:35:11 < Steffanx> Well 2016-10-19T13:35:12 < karlp> all hail the mighty ##stm32 2016-10-19T13:35:22 < rajkosto> karlp, but i didnt use ANY stm32s to do it tho 2016-10-19T13:35:33 < karlp> that's neither here nor there 2016-10-19T13:35:46 < karlp> see the topic? we commented out the #stm32 part..... 2016-10-19T13:35:54 < dongs> wonder if harwin has 3d models for their battery clips 2016-10-19T13:36:22 < dongs> :\ registration required 2016-10-19T13:36:53 < rajkosto> MSG kills again 2016-10-19T13:37:24 < dongs> bah 2016-10-19T13:37:28 < dongs> bugmenot logins banned 2016-10-19T13:37:34 < rajkosto> i have a login 2016-10-19T13:37:36 < rajkosto> bruh 2016-10-19T13:37:39 < rajkosto> why you no 2016-10-19T13:37:44 < rajkosto> link me 2016-10-19T13:38:28 < dongs> rajkosto: i dont like you 2016-10-19T13:38:37 < rajkosto> i like you 2016-10-19T13:38:39 < rajkosto> you made a fx3 pcb 2016-10-19T13:38:41 < rajkosto> we have a bond 2016-10-19T13:38:52 < Steffanx> Oh no. Dongs found a new subject. 2016-10-19T13:40:57 < dongs> leloo@mailinator.com / 6WLRZZk1ZQ*t 2016-10-19T13:42:18 < rajkosto> well nighty night ye brave souls 2016-10-19T13:42:32 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-5eeaaac6-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-19T13:42:39 < Laurenceb_> can someone help me understand mosfet leakage? 2016-10-19T13:42:46 < Steffanx> Yes. 2016-10-19T13:42:59 < Laurenceb_> with something like a ssm3k56mfv 2016-10-19T13:42:59 < dongs> think of the mosfets 2016-10-19T13:43:09 < rajkosto> Laurenceb_, im sure someone can 2016-10-19T13:43:10 < rajkosto> somewhere 2016-10-19T13:43:12 < Laurenceb_> is gate leakage dominated by the gate itself 2016-10-19T13:43:20 < Laurenceb_> or by the ESD protection? 2016-10-19T13:45:03 -!- sterna [~Adium@94.234.170.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T13:46:33 < dongs> 22.30 diameter arc cut off at 15.6/2 from center, whats the angle? 2016-10-19T13:47:06 < rajkosto> 42 2016-10-19T13:52:42 < dongs> close, but not quite. 2016-10-19T13:53:10 < dongs> 88.6 2016-10-19T13:53:18 < rajkosto> same order of magnitude 2016-10-19T13:55:45 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-19T14:07:42 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T14:07:44 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-19T14:12:13 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T14:17:57 < dongs> Harwin S8421-45R battery holder clonez are like < 10c in china 2016-10-19T14:18:06 < dongs> same thing as MPD BLP2032SM-GTR 2016-10-19T14:19:49 < dongs> lol MPD 3d model sucks so bad. left: harwin, right: mpd http://i.imgur.com/qEAwIgV.png 2016-10-19T14:24:16 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/programming/INTELLIGENT-TRAFICLIHTS-DETECT-EMERGENCY/ what could go wrong 2016-10-19T14:25:39 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/STM-Hal-Library-slave-eeprom/ this guy didn't hire me to do his fucking USB hub, he's been at it for months now 2016-10-19T14:25:53 < dongs> trying to hire various retards to try and fix shit 2016-10-19T14:33:41 -!- sterna [~Adium@94.234.170.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-19T14:35:44 -!- sterna [~Adium@94.234.37.226] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T14:56:51 < jadew> lol @ the budget for the traffic lights thing 2016-10-19T14:57:51 < jadew> the fact that he has bids for it, is even more disturbing 2016-10-19T15:00:40 < jadew> you can't see the other bids? 2016-10-19T15:10:09 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-19T15:11:02 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-19T15:36:01 -!- sterna [~Adium@94.234.37.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-19T15:37:38 < karlp> zyp: with bluetooth, do you know what limits there are on the number of slaves to a master in a piconet? bluetooth specs says "no limits" but the web keeps saying, "only 7 active, rest must be parked/unparked" but the spec is huge so maybe I'm not reading it properly. 2016-10-19T15:38:09 < karlp> parking uparking isn't a problem, just trying to work out where this comes from. 2016-10-19T15:38:37 < zyp> no idea, doesn't have that much experience with bluetooth 2016-10-19T15:40:57 < karlp> oh, thought you had been doing a bunch with nrf5k stuff 2016-10-19T15:41:10 * karlp has ~zero bt experience :) 2016-10-19T15:43:44 -!- nmnl [~carabia@unaffiliated/nmnl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-19T15:44:00 -!- nmnl [~carabia@dsl-hkibrasgw4-50df57-218.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T15:44:02 -!- hornang [~quassel@185.56.186.27] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-19T15:45:18 -!- hornang [~quassel@185.56.186.27] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T15:45:26 -!- nmnl [~carabia@dsl-hkibrasgw4-50df57-218.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-19T16:08:09 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.63.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-19T16:43:30 -!- SadMan_ is now known as SadMan 2016-10-19T16:58:00 < Laurenceb_> karlp: I've used Qt for bluetooth 2016-10-19T16:58:10 < Laurenceb_> it actually worked well, I was shoked 2016-10-19T16:58:39 < Laurenceb_> the bluetooth taming codez that actually work 2016-10-19T16:59:24 < Laurenceb_> karlp: I think number of slaves is "usually" limited to 7 2016-10-19T16:59:38 < Laurenceb_> dunno about the spec, but all the modules I've seen limited it to 7 2016-10-19T17:00:40 < Laurenceb_> probably possible to write simple test code with Qt, but I haven't tried 2016-10-19T17:04:01 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.60.235] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T17:08:20 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-19T17:10:48 < karlp> Laurenceb: vaguely researching cordcutting rs485 with ~10-20-30 devices and replacing with bluetooth 2016-10-19T17:11:15 < karlp> not entirely confident either bt or wifi are really good ieas to have soe many in a confined space, but.... *shrugs* 2016-10-19T17:11:37 < karlp> haven't seen any other options that like having 20-30 radios all in a 1mx2m box. 2016-10-19T17:11:47 < karlp> seens some private solutions, but allegedly "problematic" 2016-10-19T17:14:38 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-19T17:33:06 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T17:44:14 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.153.155] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T17:47:14 < Fleck> http://cyberspaceandtime.com/Voltlog_48-New_2016_Gopher_CPS-3205C_Review_&_Teardown/yIx_VWWgKUI.video >>> that videoplayer... lol :) 2016-10-19T17:49:03 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-19T17:51:33 < karlp> wow. 2016-10-19T17:52:24 < celeron55> wtf 2016-10-19T17:53:45 < karlp> Fleck: does he have a summary of results anywhere? I can't stand having to listen to a 40minute video to get the review details. 2016-10-19T17:54:18 < Fleck> I don't know, I did not watch all :p 2016-10-19T17:55:14 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T17:57:29 < karlp> it's a power supply I thought i'd seen linked here before 2016-10-19T18:00:35 < Fleck> looking good, ofc, few "things" are not cool there, but... 2016-10-19T18:01:29 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.153.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-19T18:07:57 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T18:10:40 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-19T18:25:02 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T18:29:45 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.158.236] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T18:35:25 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-5eea25e2-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T18:51:16 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T18:51:38 < Tectu> tectu 2016-10-19T18:52:56 < Steffanx> steffanx 2016-10-19T19:03:26 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.154.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T19:14:41 < Laurenceb_> troll 2016-10-19T19:26:09 < Lux> how fast can I display stuff on an spi tft display ? 2016-10-19T19:26:22 < Lux> is like 5ms from write to the stuff showing up feasible 2016-10-19T19:33:18 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-19T19:41:15 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T19:44:29 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.158.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-19T19:55:20 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-19T20:02:54 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-19T20:11:37 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.151.245] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T20:16:37 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-19-73-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T20:18:45 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T20:45:37 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-5eea25e2-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-19T20:51:22 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f775f5b.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T21:12:31 < Lux> i don't need anything fancy, just displaying a few characters is enough 2016-10-19T21:13:18 < Lux> i probably could even hard code some stuff do write via spi 2016-10-19T21:13:26 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-19T21:33:13 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.154.216] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-19T21:36:08 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.151.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-19T21:38:31 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.151.245] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T21:43:20 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T21:45:56 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-19T21:53:25 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-19T21:55:28 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T22:05:46 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T22:09:14 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T22:17:29 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-19T22:24:06 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXhElaGCZVU 2016-10-19T22:25:32 < kakimir> cows are oppoturnistic 2016-10-19T22:26:01 < kakimir> or those pakis have fed baby chicks to it for it's life 2016-10-19T22:27:08 < kisielk> is anyone here well-versed in linker scripts? I'm having some trouble placing instructions in flash but then reading them from the ITCM flash address 2016-10-19T22:27:15 < Laurenceb_> probably the second one 2016-10-19T22:27:18 < kisielk> here's an example of my LD script: https://gist.github.com/kisielk/fca2c6cc62d5f8e5389c3c7f00c289af 2016-10-19T22:27:39 < kisielk> I think the problem is that the LMA gets offset by 4 bytes for some reason 2016-10-19T22:29:05 < zyp> kisielk, alignment requirement 2016-10-19T22:29:15 < zyp> VMA is getting aligned, LMA is not 2016-10-19T22:29:53 < kisielk> zyp: right, so how can I go about fixing this? 2016-10-19T22:31:12 < zyp> move the ALIGN on line 84 above line 82 2016-10-19T22:31:23 < zyp> might do the trick, but no promise :) 2016-10-19T22:32:28 < zyp> hmm, nah, that's probably going to break still 2016-10-19T22:32:58 < zyp> I'm not sure how you can align LMA 2016-10-19T22:34:04 < kisielk> yeah, I found this: https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=18173 2016-10-19T22:34:25 < zyp> and I found this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1729730/ld-linker-target-address-aligning-but-not-address-in-rom 2016-10-19T22:34:49 < kisielk> yeah I just saw that as well. Seems terrible, but I guess it works heh 2016-10-19T22:35:11 < kisielk> I noticed that ST's linker scripts just use 0x00200000 as their flash address, but that only works if you load with their ST-Link program 2016-10-19T22:35:20 < zyp> actually, if you do it right it seems much more appropriate for what you want to do 2016-10-19T22:35:23 < kisielk> they must do some special rewriting to write it to the regular flash address 2016-10-19T22:35:47 < zyp> btw, this is F7? 2016-10-19T22:35:50 < kisielk> yes 2016-10-19T22:36:01 < zyp> I don't have any experience with this aliased memory stuff 2016-10-19T22:36:19 < zyp> anyway, using multiple MEMORY definitions like you are trying seems like a hack in the first place 2016-10-19T22:36:19 < kisielk> in the F7 you can only use the ART accelerator by reading from the ITCM 2016-10-19T22:36:30 < zyp> because there's no guarantee that shit will add up 2016-10-19T22:36:46 < kisielk> however you can't *write* to flash via the ITCM 2016-10-19T22:37:00 < zyp> using the computed AT thing seems much more sane, because then you can compute the LMA directly from the VMA or something 2016-10-19T22:37:03 < kisielk> so you have to load your code in via the regular flash address 2016-10-19T22:37:31 < zyp> which means that you could technically stuff sections in between aliased sections 2016-10-19T22:37:43 < kisielk> yeah I think I will give that approach a try 2016-10-19T22:38:05 < kisielk> I think with using some additional PROVIDE directives I could probably make the AT expressions shorter 2016-10-19T22:39:11 < zyp> I mean, forget about all that SIZEOF shit 2016-10-19T22:39:32 < zyp> just grab the current VMA, subtract offset and use that as LMA 2016-10-19T22:40:25 < kisielk> hm ok, so something like AT ( . - offset) ? 2016-10-19T22:40:43 < kisielk> er, + offset i guess 2016-10-19T22:40:48 < zyp> .text : AT(. - 0x00200000 + 0x08000000) 2016-10-19T22:40:58 < zyp> or yeah, precalc offset 2016-10-19T22:41:21 < zyp> no idea if that would work just like that 2016-10-19T22:41:38 < zyp> and you'll probably have to initialize . before the first section 2016-10-19T22:42:25 < zyp> hmm, or maybe that gets initialized properly by itself, idk 2016-10-19T22:42:28 < kisielk> hm, "nonconstant expression for load base" :/ 2016-10-19T22:43:34 < zyp> what part makes it nonconstant? .? 2016-10-19T22:45:42 < kisielk> oh nevermind, I think it is working 2016-10-19T22:45:55 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2016-10-19T22:45:59 < zyp> cool 2016-10-19T22:46:22 < kisielk> damn typos 2016-10-19T22:46:28 < zyp> :) 2016-10-19T22:46:29 < kisielk> and bad errors from ld :) 2016-10-19T22:47:15 < zyp> putting that in my mental notebook for whenever I'll mess around with F7 2016-10-19T22:47:33 < zyp> by the way, what are you doing with F7? 2016-10-19T22:47:48 < zyp> and why F7? 2016-10-19T22:48:12 < kisielk> need more horsepower than the F4 has 2016-10-19T22:48:18 < kisielk> for audio DSP 2016-10-19T22:49:24 < zyp> oh, ok 2016-10-19T22:49:37 < zyp> how much more do you get out of F7? 2016-10-19T22:50:40 < kisielk> well, F4 is 600 on the coremark, F7 is supposedly 1000 2016-10-19T22:50:45 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.com/new/Kemet-Electronics/kemetc4bcaps/ self healing caps? 2016-10-19T22:50:48 < kisielk> but I haven't been able to benchmark yet :) 2016-10-19T22:51:21 < zyp> is coremark supposed to be a linear scale? 2016-10-19T22:51:39 < kisielk> yeah 2016-10-19T22:52:03 < zyp> hmm, ok 2016-10-19T22:52:54 < kisielk> hm, the syntax seems to work but it's not generating the right addresses 2016-10-19T22:53:14 < zyp> how does objdump output look? 2016-10-19T22:53:16 < kisielk> or maybe my math sucks 2016-10-19T22:53:33 < zyp> paste objdump and script again 2016-10-19T22:53:58 < kisielk> actually it seems it's counting the . as 0 2016-10-19T22:54:33 < kisielk> https://gist.github.com/kisielk/a149251b235e1e4193dfe8d4812b6d79 2016-10-19T22:54:43 < kisielk> so far I only put it for the first section otherwise I get an error with overlap 2016-10-19T22:56:42 < kisielk> strangely the .text LMA is also offset even though I don't mention that anywhere 2016-10-19T22:56:57 < zyp> what if you remove the 0x00200000 from itcm_offset? 2016-10-19T22:57:50 < zyp> hmm, disregard 2016-10-19T22:57:56 < zyp> ok, I don't know what's going on :) 2016-10-19T22:59:52 < zyp> maybe the problem is that when you use addrs like that instead of specifying a memory area, the load area doesn't get reserved, so when .rodata tries to allocate flash it gets 0x8000000 and causes the overlap 2016-10-19T23:01:21 < kisielk> I wish they just provided a working ld script... which I guess they do, as long as you use st-link 2016-10-19T23:02:44 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-5eea23e4-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T23:03:55 < zyp> what are you using? openocd? 2016-10-19T23:04:13 < kisielk> yeah 2016-10-19T23:04:16 < kisielk> not on Windows 2016-10-19T23:04:59 < kisielk> it works! 2016-10-19T23:05:01 < zyp> should be possible (and probably a good idea) to add that translation to openocd as well 2016-10-19T23:05:09 < kisielk> my board booted :) 2016-10-19T23:05:15 < zyp> PaulFertser, what do you think? 2016-10-19T23:05:18 -!- Getty [getty@88.198.38.47] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-19T23:05:44 < kisielk> I guess you probably want to see the linker script now 2016-10-19T23:05:59 < kisielk> https://gist.github.com/kisielk/29667c35bd3e02094824aa84150cbab9 2016-10-19T23:06:03 < zyp> I certainly wouldn't mind taking a look ;) 2016-10-19T23:06:21 < kisielk> so it seem after the first AT, the other sections have their LMA incremented in tandem with their VMA 2016-10-19T23:06:44 < kisielk> so they stay aligned, then I just need to reset it for .data 2016-10-19T23:07:11 -!- Getty [getty@88.198.38.47] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T23:07:11 -!- Getty [getty@88.198.38.47] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-19T23:07:24 < zyp> oh 2016-10-19T23:07:43 -!- Getty [~getty@88.198.38.47] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T23:07:44 -!- Getty [~getty@88.198.38.47] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-19T23:07:46 < zyp> that seems weird 2016-10-19T23:07:47 < kisielk> zyp, PaulFertser: that would certainly be nice. For the ST linker script they just set the flash address to 0x00200000 and leave everything else unchanged 2016-10-19T23:07:54 < kisielk> zyp: it sure does, but it works 2016-10-19T23:08:12 -!- Getty [getty@88.198.38.47] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T23:08:12 -!- Getty [getty@88.198.38.47] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-19T23:08:18 < kisielk> just added the objdump output 2016-10-19T23:08:40 < kisielk> and I confirmed in the debugger that things are running from the 0x0020000 address range.. 2016-10-19T23:08:41 -!- Getty [getty@88.198.38.47] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T23:08:42 -!- Getty [getty@88.198.38.47] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-19T23:08:42 < zyp> some day I should probably sit down and figure out how ld actually are processing LMA and VMA when they differ and how that relates to the different section options wrt. placement 2016-10-19T23:09:08 < kisielk> yeah, I spent a lot of time reading the manual but it really glosses over some things 2016-10-19T23:09:11 -!- Getty [getty@88.198.38.47] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T23:09:11 -!- Getty [getty@88.198.38.47] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-19T23:09:42 -!- Getty [getty@88.198.38.47] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T23:09:42 -!- Getty [getty@88.198.38.47] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-19T23:10:11 -!- Getty [getty@88.198.38.47] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T23:10:12 -!- Getty [getty@88.198.38.47] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-19T23:11:26 < kisielk> btw, if you plan on ever using the F7 there's one other really annoying thing about it... single-step debugging is broken in a pretty awful way :/ 2016-10-19T23:12:13 < LeelooMinai> What is the idea behing Cortex 7? I see ARM describes it as "real-time", but doesn't it have some extra caching etc. that could affect timing in unpredictable way? 2016-10-19T23:12:36 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.151.245] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-19T23:13:34 < zyp> kisielk, in what sense? 2016-10-19T23:13:39 < kisielk> zyp: it doesn 2016-10-19T23:13:44 < kisielk> 't mask interrupts properly 2016-10-19T23:13:57 < kisielk> so pretty much every time you single step, you jump into an interrupt handler 2016-10-19T23:14:11 < zyp> are you sure that's the cpu and not your debugger setup? 2016-10-19T23:14:12 -!- Getty [getty@88.198.38.47] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-19T23:14:24 < kisielk> zyp: http://www.keil.com/support/docs/3778.htm 2016-10-19T23:15:02 < kisielk> seems like a bug in the r0p0 and r0p1 M7 cores 2016-10-19T23:15:24 < zyp> ow 2016-10-19T23:17:10 < kisielk> yeah, I was quite displeased when I discovered this.. 2016-10-19T23:18:01 < zyp> hmm, which F7 are you using? 2016-10-19T23:18:36 < kisielk> STM32F746 2016-10-19T23:18:38 < zyp> the errata sheets suggests that F74x and F75x are r0p1, F76x and F77x are r1p0 2016-10-19T23:18:39 < karlp> oh yeah, huh, I remember that errata and being like, "huh, only st is affected" 2016-10-19T23:18:45 < karlp> (at that time) 2016-10-19T23:18:55 < zyp> so F76x/F77x should be unaffected 2016-10-19T23:19:24 < zyp> LeelooMinai, the idea is being faster. 2016-10-19T23:19:53 < zyp> real time does not mean 100% deterministic timing 2016-10-19T23:19:56 < LeelooMinai> zyp: PC CPUs are even faster, so that's not the idea... 2016-10-19T23:20:12 < LeelooMinai> zyp: No? 2016-10-19T23:20:37 < kisielk> zyp: which errata sheets are those? 2016-10-19T23:20:39 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/newsplus/res/34605.html 2016-10-19T23:20:53 < zyp> kisielk, http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/errata_sheet/4d/39/a6/8c/84/47/47/67/DM00145382.pdf/files/DM00145382.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00145382.pdf http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/errata_sheet/group0/23/a6/11/0b/30/24/46/a5/DM00257543/files/DM00257543.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00257543.pdf 2016-10-19T23:20:58 < zyp> section 1 in either 2016-10-19T23:22:41 < zyp> LeelooMinai, and nothing prevents you from building a real time system with one, it's just a bit overkill with a whole MMU if that's all you're gonna do with it 2016-10-19T23:22:56 < kisielk> englishman: well, say I'm stepping through code in my main loop 2016-10-19T23:23:02 < kisielk> which takes up like, 10% of the processor time 2016-10-19T23:23:12 < kisielk> and the other 90% is interrupt handlers 2016-10-19T23:23:21 < kisielk> I don't want to be jumping to interrupts all the time .. 2016-10-19T23:23:21 < LeelooMinai> zyp: I thought unpredictable latencies are what make it not suitable for real-time applications:/ 2016-10-19T23:23:41 < Laurenceb_> englishman confirmed as butthurt Hillary supporter 2016-10-19T23:23:58 < zyp> LeelooMinai, and most of those latencies are in terms of the software scheduler, not the hardware 2016-10-19T23:24:09 < kisielk> LeelooMinai: you can always disable some of those features 2016-10-19T23:24:26 < kisielk> LeelooMinai: also afaik there's ways to access code and data that bypass all the caches etc, so you could use those in timing-critical sections 2016-10-19T23:24:39 < LeelooMinai> zyp: How about caching? That will make the timing undeterministic, no? 2016-10-19T23:25:06 < kisielk> for example, you can load timing critical code in to CCM-RAM, which is directly coupled to the core and there's no caching involved 2016-10-19T23:25:19 < zyp> LeelooMinai, kinda, but a real time system doesn't necessarily need 100% deterministic timing 2016-10-19T23:25:27 < kisielk> englishman: yes you can usually mask interrupts when stepping 2016-10-19T23:25:29 < zyp> LeelooMinai, what it needs is finite time bounds 2016-10-19T23:25:55 < kisielk> englishman: sure, that works 2016-10-19T23:26:03 < zyp> LeelooMinai, a real time system is a system that can guarantee that a task will be performed within a given timeframe 2016-10-19T23:26:03 < kisielk> but then I want to step to the next instruction after the breakpoint 2016-10-19T23:26:04 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Ok, but I guess if those bounds are very stretched, it makes the CPU kind of not well fitted for this. 2016-10-19T23:26:09 < kisielk> and then bam, interrupt handler 2016-10-19T23:26:27 < kisielk> so I have to constantly juggle breakpoints, which is frustrating to say the least 2016-10-19T23:26:38 < zyp> LeelooMinai, eh, it's all about the application 2016-10-19T23:26:56 < zyp> LeelooMinai, if you need cycle-exact timing, a microcontroller is the wrong tool for the job; use an fpga 2016-10-19T23:27:02 < LeelooMinai> Right, that's why I am trying to judge what M7 are meant for in general. 2016-10-19T23:27:16 < zyp> that is a question I've also asked :) 2016-10-19T23:27:16 < kisielk> LeelooMinai: see also the difference between "hard real-time" and "soft real-time 2016-10-19T23:27:18 < LeelooMinai> Seems they have a lot of display-related features. 2016-10-19T23:27:48 < zyp> because to me M7 kinda falls between two chairs 2016-10-19T23:27:50 < LeelooMinai> kisielk: Yes, I know those concepts, but just wondering about M7 in particular. 2016-10-19T23:28:26 < kisielk> zyp: IMO it's the start of an evolution towards more DSP in ARM micros 2016-10-19T23:28:33 < LeelooMinai> That's what I was saying basically - it seems to be in between there somwhere. 2016-10-19T23:28:35 < zyp> if you need something more powerful than a M4, you might as well step up to A5 or something, IMO 2016-10-19T23:28:38 < kisielk> a lot of DSP-specific cores are going out of production 2016-10-19T23:28:58 < zyp> but I guess the DSP argument makes sense 2016-10-19T23:29:06 < zyp> it has a double-precision FPU, right? 2016-10-19T23:29:12 < kisielk> hm maybe 2016-10-19T23:29:13 < zyp> M4F only has single precision 2016-10-19T23:29:17 < kisielk> I only need single 2016-10-19T23:29:26 < zyp> so if you need that, that's another argument for M7 over M4 2016-10-19T23:29:29 < LeelooMinai> Semms double precision is part of the graphics part 2016-10-19T23:29:39 < zyp> uh, what? 2016-10-19T23:29:59 < LeelooMinai> I close the tab, but I just read it 10 minutes ago. 2016-10-19T23:30:23 < zyp> double precision is a feature of the FPU, which again is part of the ARM core 2016-10-19T23:30:40 < kisielk> going to head to lunch... thanks for the help zyp :) 2016-10-19T23:30:41 < zyp> and AFAIK there's no graphics stuff at all in the ARM core, all that is ST periphs 2016-10-19T23:30:48 < zyp> so idk what you're on about 2016-10-19T23:30:52 < zyp> kisielk, np 2016-10-19T23:31:01 < LeelooMinai> A, ok, it was just in one sentence: "Chrom-ART acceleration for efficient 2D image copy and double-precision FPU are also part of the acceleration features available in the device" 2016-10-19T23:31:09 < LeelooMinai> So maybe they are not related. 2016-10-19T23:31:25 < Laurenceb_> englishman: aiui F7 doesnt actually have the double part 2016-10-19T23:31:30 < zyp> ah, no, IIRC the former is the DMA2D periph 2016-10-19T23:31:46 < zyp> which is just a DMA engine with stride support or something like that 2016-10-19T23:31:48 < PeterM> i thought F7 didnt have the double, thats why it was cheaper than other m7 parts (or atelast in part why) 2016-10-19T23:32:05 < zyp> that could be, I haven't looked at the specifics 2016-10-19T23:32:14 < LeelooMinai> That was STM32H7 2016-10-19T23:32:28 < LeelooMinai> Whtever that is:) 2016-10-19T23:32:28 < Laurenceb_> if you need double in embedded you may well be doing it wrong 2016-10-19T23:32:39 < zyp> why? 2016-10-19T23:32:41 < Laurenceb_> although there are probably weird applications where it would help 2016-10-19T23:33:11 < Laurenceb_> well unless you have some odd scientific measurement kit you rarely need that much accuracy 2016-10-19T23:33:16 < zyp> I mean, the DSP argument were already posed 2016-10-19T23:33:51 < zyp> idk 2016-10-19T23:35:40 < karlp> yeah, f7 when it came out was like, "ooh, you were first? and you chose single precision? and you have these nasty erratas?" yay..... 2016-10-19T23:36:12 < LeelooMinai> karlp: Are you the guy that was complaining about screen reader or something? 2016-10-19T23:37:11 < zyp> according to the F7 table, they have parts both with and without double precision 2016-10-19T23:45:25 < sync> Laurenceb_: gps shits :D 2016-10-19T23:47:28 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-5eea23e4-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-19T23:49:08 < zyp> isn't doing gps correlators in software kind of a pain and waste of cpu cycles? 2016-10-19T23:50:11 < qyx> fuck those china made micro cameras 2016-10-19T23:50:25 < qyx> it arrived, ok, I tested it, works 2016-10-19T23:50:46 < qyx> so i desoldered the original cable and replaced it with a new and longer one 2016-10-19T23:50:58 < qyx> attached the power as requested in the datasheet (12V) 2016-10-19T23:51:08 < qyx> and suddenly a smoke was released 2016-10-19T23:51:20 < rajkosto> you did it backwards imo 2016-10-19T23:51:23 < qyx> no 2016-10-19T23:51:27 < qyx> fuck those chinamen 2016-10-19T23:51:33 < LeelooMinai> Maybe it has smoke signalling feature. 2016-10-19T23:51:45 < qyx> they have a hidden 5V regulator in the connector 2016-10-19T23:51:51 < LeelooMinai> lol 2016-10-19T23:51:52 < qyx> in the original cable 2016-10-19T23:52:34 < zyp> ohsix, rtk? 2016-10-19T23:53:10 < qyx> meh 2016-10-19T23:53:18 < LeelooMinai> "You be bad EE. 12V in, 5Vin. You play other hobby." 2016-10-19T23:53:19 < qyx> -> trash bin 2016-10-19T23:53:59 < karlp> LeelooMinai: I was suggesting that when you feel the need to share a code snippet, a text based sharing format is more appropriate than an image, yes. 2016-10-19T23:54:18 < LeelooMinai> A, sorry, I was asleep. 2016-10-19T23:54:20 < karlp> zyp: I guess they got yelled at early. Haven't looked at all the new F7s they added :) 2016-10-19T23:54:46 < LeelooMinai> karlp: But with screenshot one can do much more:/ You can annotate them, highlight parts, put comments, arrows, etc. 2016-10-19T23:55:26 < karlp> except you never do that. 2016-10-19T23:55:43 < LeelooMinai> karlp: Sure I do. Not always, but often. 2016-10-19T23:56:09 < zyp> karlp, me neither, I've been going to smaller chips, not larger :) 2016-10-19T23:57:12 < LeelooMinai> karlp: You see:p http://i.imgur.com/oLzf0ul.png 2016-10-19T23:57:48 < zyp> LeelooMinai, you can put comments in text as well, you know 2016-10-19T23:58:14 < LeelooMinai> zyp: It's not as flexible. Cannot do arrows, etc. 2016-10-19T23:58:34 < zyp> fuck_up(); // <-- wtf is this bullshit? 2016-10-19T23:59:08 < zyp> hmm, can you do unicode in comments nowadays? maybe you could even do unicode arrows if you want to be fancy 2016-10-19T23:59:12 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Now make one comment with 3 arrows to different parts of the code:) 2016-10-19T23:59:40 < zyp> no. 2016-10-19T23:59:46 < LeelooMinai> :p --- Day changed Thu Oct 20 2016 2016-10-20T00:01:10 < Thorn> you can even use unicode in identifiers https://codeblog.jonskeet.uk/2014/12/01/when-is-an-identifier-not-an-identifier-attack-of-the-mongolian-vowel-separator/ 2016-10-20T00:01:35 < zyp> haha 2016-10-20T00:01:37 < LeelooMinai> You can do this in Java too 2016-10-20T00:02:04 < karlp> zyp: clion was spamming about being able to use ligatures in code now. 2016-10-20T00:02:10 < LeelooMinai> I always wanted special characters for programming:) 2016-10-20T00:02:10 * karlp cheers half heartedly. 2016-10-20T00:02:42 < LeelooMinai> So you don't have to use <= for example, or && etc. 2016-10-20T00:02:58 < LeelooMinai> And you have some kind of short-space-like character for identifiers. 2016-10-20T00:03:03 < Thorn> how do I switch LEDs from both sides (high and low) with Vdd=3.3V 2016-10-20T00:03:19 < Thorn> without paying through the nose for mosfets 2016-10-20T00:03:43 < LeelooMinai> Mosfets are expensive? No... 2016-10-20T00:04:27 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: You can always use mechanical switches:p 2016-10-20T00:05:06 < zyp> both sides? in what sense? 2016-10-20T00:05:07 < karlp> hrm, what layer do you mark a hole in a battery case in on the footprint? 2016-10-20T00:05:09 < zyp> matrix? 2016-10-20T00:05:32 < karlp> they're optional to be used, so do you just mark a circle in outline or document or something? 2016-10-20T00:06:25 < Thorn> zyp: large common anode 7-seg displays with dynamic indication, high side switches for digits, low side switches for segments 2016-10-20T00:06:38 < sync> zyp: it depends 2016-10-20T00:06:39 < zyp> Thorn, when I messed around with led matrices a few years ago, I used common high side with a p-fet for each line, and a constant current led driver chip on low side 2016-10-20T00:07:12 < sync> it doesn't mean doing it yourself, but mereley coordinate shit 2016-10-20T00:07:18 < zyp> a multi-digit common anode 7-seg thing would be topologically the same 2016-10-20T00:07:20 < sync> then you run out of precision real fast 2016-10-20T00:07:45 < upgrdman> in altidongs pcb, how do i get a list of all places that a net goes to? 2016-10-20T00:08:14 < Thorn> I have a very tight budget and those drivers probably have some significant dropout 2016-10-20T00:08:18 < zyp> Thorn, have you considered not multiplexing it, just running a chain of low side drivers with one digit each? 2016-10-20T00:08:55 < upgrdman> o nm, right dick > net actions > propertities 2016-10-20T00:09:03 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: Compile schematic and use navigator panel 2016-10-20T00:09:07 < Thorn> as long as I can use a 595 as my driver it may sound realistic lol 2016-10-20T00:09:38 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: It has net/bus section and you can see it there. 2016-10-20T00:09:49 < zyp> I mean, can't you get led driver chips from china for ~nothing? dongs were talking about some shit before 2016-10-20T00:09:50 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, thanks, found it another way too 2016-10-20T00:10:34 < LeelooMinai> I have Altium, but in Altidongs it's probably similar 2016-10-20T00:10:52 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/ldMgR.JPG <- found pic of my shit, running at 3.3V 2016-10-20T00:11:38 < LeelooMinai> What kind of desk is it - too clean. 2016-10-20T00:11:46 < Thorn> like https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10pcs-lot-Original-CYT1000A-high-voltage-constant-current-LED-driver-IC/32669435481.html ? 2016-10-20T00:12:36 < zyp> that looks like a single rgb led driver, you want something like a 16-output driver 2016-10-20T00:12:40 < LeelooMinai> I zoomed in and thought I found a piece of dirt, but it was on my monitor. 2016-10-20T00:13:25 < zyp> LeelooMinai, old pic, probably hadn't lived in that apartment for long 2016-10-20T00:14:08 < LeelooMinai> I hat an usb hub like there - they do not last long:/ 2016-10-20T00:14:49 < zyp> I've got a bunch of those, none of mine have failed so far 2016-10-20T00:15:32 < zyp> very convenient for dev stuff, being able to power cycle shit without pulling plugs 2016-10-20T00:16:04 < Thorn> something from Macroblock? I actually have some but I recall they misbehaved @3.3V 2016-10-20T00:16:26 < LeelooMinai> Right, that's why I got them initially. However, I would like a usb hub that is controllable from PC - that disconnects all 4 lines physically. Thought even about just designing it, but did not so far. 2016-10-20T00:16:39 < zyp> re. desk, here's a pic of it from around that time: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/s9gEB.JPG 2016-10-20T00:16:46 < zyp> it looks so empty :) 2016-10-20T00:17:59 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/rRYHp.JPG <- compared to this which is a few years later 2016-10-20T00:18:55 < LeelooMinai> Progressing into a real one 2016-10-20T00:19:10 < zyp> englishman, it's awesome, it's fucking annoying that the series is discontinued 2016-10-20T00:19:46 < LeelooMinai> I just built my desk myself: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/2465517236 2016-10-20T00:19:47 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/shhqo.JPG <- another pic of desk, set a bit earlier than the previous one 2016-10-20T00:19:56 < LeelooMinai> So I made it a shape that I wanted, etc. 2016-10-20T00:20:03 < zyp> LeelooMinai, 404 2016-10-20T00:20:04 < karlp> yeah, I have a 7 port version o fthat hub, totally flaky. 2016-10-20T00:20:22 < zyp> sure it's the same brand? 2016-10-20T00:20:22 < LeelooMinai> zyp: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/24655172365 ? 2016-10-20T00:20:34 < zyp> that works 2016-10-20T00:21:01 < karlp> zyp: no clue. can't find out ahead of time which chipset or internal construction is used. all the cheap switchable hubs I've bought have been.... unreliable. 2016-10-20T00:21:01 < zyp> haha, wtf 2016-10-20T00:21:06 < LeelooMinai> lol 2016-10-20T00:21:39 < zyp> LeelooMinai, that looks… weird 2016-10-20T00:21:51 < zyp> esp. the keyboard hinge thing 2016-10-20T00:22:28 < zyp> doesn't seem to have a lot of usable area, and a lot of it is behind the monitors 2016-10-20T00:22:29 < karlp> (desk pics are collected from time to time in zypsnips for those playing at home, or who want to add more) 2016-10-20T00:22:29 < LeelooMinai> zyp: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/24026544314 :) 2016-10-20T00:22:56 < zyp> LeelooMinai, where do you rest your wrists? 2016-10-20T00:23:15 < LeelooMinai> zyp: The keyboard has a rist wrest kind of built in. 2016-10-20T00:23:40 < zyp> looks painful 2016-10-20T00:23:43 < LeelooMinai> The chair has wheels so I slide in, then put the keyboard on my lap. And the chair has arrached mouse pad to it... 2016-10-20T00:23:49 < zyp> but hey, I'm not the one using it 2016-10-20T00:23:56 < LeelooMinai> attached* 2016-10-20T00:24:23 < LeelooMinai> zyp: No, it's all perfectly ergonomic. Made my back pains disappear like with a magic wand:) 2016-10-20T00:24:45 < karlp> englishman: I'd kinda like to design an engineers hub one day. peterm made one. 2016-10-20T00:24:52 < karlp> jsut can't see anyway of making it cheap enough. 2016-10-20T00:25:27 < karlp> but _actually_ using the port switching controls that the hubs provide, and _actually_ implementing the power sensing and things. 2016-10-20T00:25:35 < LeelooMinai> Right, I had 7-port version too. The damn thing would not work on upper ports, etc. 2016-10-20T00:25:42 < karlp> I gfuess it could be a premium product. 2016-10-20T00:26:41 < zyp> I bought mine in japan, I think they had some japanese brand 2016-10-20T00:26:53 < LeelooMinai> Well, this is nice, but not cheap:/ https://acroname.com/store/s77-usbhub-2x4?sku=S77-USBHUB-2X4 2016-10-20T00:26:55 < zyp> I've also seen similar looking ones on ebay, so I suspect the internals differ 2016-10-20T00:27:03 < karlp> man, got a datahseet back from blossom on their batter holder. none of the dimensions for the pins match up. http://palmtree.beeroclock.net/~karlp/blossom-bh18650-pc2.pdf 2016-10-20T00:27:35 < karlp> what on earth are the dimensoins of the pcb pins? 2.4x1.38? 1.52x0.38? 2016-10-20T00:28:28 < karlp> 2.4mm is kinda obnoxiously large. 2016-10-20T00:28:30 < LeelooMinai> 0.38x1.52mm 2016-10-20T00:28:46 < karlp> so what about on the pcb layout dimensions? 2016-10-20T00:28:53 < LeelooMinai> They are all there... 2016-10-20T00:29:10 < karlp> so the rectangle marked 2.4x1.38? 2016-10-20T00:29:25 < karlp> you don't think that conflicts with the 0.38 by 1.52 from the 3-way drawings? 2016-10-20T00:29:36 < LeelooMinai> Yes, it does 2016-10-20T00:29:49 < zyp> makes it easy to get into the hole 2016-10-20T00:29:50 < LeelooMinai> So I would make my own:) 2016-10-20T00:29:59 < karlp> make your own what? 2016-10-20T00:30:05 < LeelooMinai> Hole sizes. 2016-10-20T00:30:08 < zyp> you know, hole dimensions are different from pin dimensions 2016-10-20T00:30:29 < LeelooMinai> zyp: You never mmake holes smaller, obviously... 2016-10-20T00:30:31 < karlp> quite a big more different than I was thinking. 2016-10-20T00:30:53 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Try that with a header and then try to put it in:p 2016-10-20T00:31:03 < karlp> LeelooMinai: what are you tlaking about now? 2016-10-20T00:31:06 < LeelooMinai> You will get plating also on them. 2016-10-20T00:31:13 < LeelooMinai> About that drawing of his. 2016-10-20T00:31:50 < LeelooMinai> It's not sane imo 2016-10-20T00:31:54 < zyp> LeelooMinai, hmm? hole dimensions are always finished dimension 2016-10-20T00:31:58 < zyp> finished as in after plating 2016-10-20T00:32:23 < LeelooMinai> They should not be smaller in any case 2016-10-20T00:32:39 < zyp> they're not smaller, they're almost a mm bigger in each dimension 2016-10-20T00:32:53 < zyp> having half a mm of wiggle room on either side of the pin is not really uncommon for larger pth shit 2016-10-20T00:33:16 < LeelooMinai> A, sorry, you are right 2016-10-20T00:33:16 < zyp> the holes are 73mm apart, you don't need to make the holes as small as possible to make them fit :) 2016-10-20T00:33:29 < LeelooMinai> I thought that 1.28 os for the 1.52 dimension 2016-10-20T00:33:36 < LeelooMinai> 1.38* 2016-10-20T00:33:47 < karlp> zyp: yeah, I guess it's all ok, I haven't done much with such big parts before I guess :) 2016-10-20T00:33:47 < LeelooMinai> Ok then, they are fine 2016-10-20T00:34:18 < karlp> more plated slots. they're on everything these days. 2016-10-20T00:34:34 < LeelooMinai> Well, one thing is, not all fabs can make slots like that, so you can design the footprint to have just round holes there - it will still work fine. 2016-10-20T00:34:58 < LeelooMinai> Or at least check with the fab. 2016-10-20T00:35:22 < LeelooMinai> I had to make my oval ones into round ones for oshpark once. 2016-10-20T00:35:52 < zyp> hmm, I don't have a single pic of how my desk in new apartment 2016-10-20T00:36:08 < kisielk> hah, I discovered the source of my performance problems 2016-10-20T00:36:23 < LeelooMinai> Lack of proteins 2016-10-20T00:36:38 < kisielk> yes 2016-10-20T00:36:39 < kisielk> kind of :) 2016-10-20T00:36:44 < kisielk> actually when you convert a SW4STM32 project from C to C++ 2016-10-20T00:37:01 < kisielk> instead of copying the compiler flags from the C to C++ compiler, it just uses the default, which is -O0 2016-10-20T00:37:19 < zyp> wtf is SW4STM32? 2016-10-20T00:37:24 < LeelooMinai> ac6 stuff 2016-10-20T00:37:27 < kisielk> System Workbench for STM32 2016-10-20T00:37:37 < kisielk> it's STM's open-source toolchain 2016-10-20T00:37:44 < kisielk> er, ST's 2016-10-20T00:38:05 < zyp> wtf, fuck that shit 2016-10-20T00:38:13 < karlp> LeelooMinai: yes, I know not everywhere can do slots, I was just commenting that more and more parts are comming with slots in the footprints these days. 2016-10-20T00:38:18 < LeelooMinai> AC6 is some company that makes is - it's basically Eclipse plugin with the arm toolchain underneath - all targetting stm32s 2016-10-20T00:38:24 < karlp> which is making more and more fabs provide support for it actually. 2016-10-20T00:38:28 < karlp> thank you microusb! 2016-10-20T00:38:49 < kisielk> Yeah, it's not bad overall.. although the debugging is kind of shitty. But at least CubeMX can generate code for it 2016-10-20T00:38:54 < karlp> LeelooMinai: even oshpark has guidelins on doing plated slots now 2016-10-20T00:39:06 < zyp> kisielk, I suggest you discard that shit and either use proper commercial tools (keil) or proper open source toolchain (gcc-arm-embedded on launchpad) 2016-10-20T00:39:18 < zyp> not some shit in between 2016-10-20T00:39:30 < kisielk> zyp: they use gcc-arm-embedded under the hood. I was previously using GNUArmEclipse, but it's annoying to convert CubeMX projects to it 2016-10-20T00:39:32 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but they guidlines were to ask them? And I asked and they suggested doing holes and resubmitting the project - was a bit of pita:/ 2016-10-20T00:40:28 < LeelooMinai> Right, they use launchpad stuff, but a bit behind the releases. I tried AC6, but abandoned since they do not even support J-Link there. 2016-10-20T00:40:28 < zyp> kisielk, okay, I'm just going to shut up, before I tell you to get rid off both eclipse and cubemx as well :p 2016-10-20T00:41:16 < LeelooMinai> And finally I just got rid of CubeMX/HAL all together and I am doing my own in C++ and get a lot of crap for this here:p 2016-10-20T00:41:36 < kisielk> zyp: oh trust me, I've done lots of projects without either, it's just way faster to get up and running that way if you have multiple projects with different boards and MCUs 2016-10-20T00:42:04 < kisielk> eventually I strip away most of the generated code when optimizing stuff 2016-10-20T00:42:58 < LeelooMinai> CubeMX is good for pinout and clock tree reference though... 2016-10-20T00:43:29 < kisielk> yep. I think I might eventually just write my own tool to parse its project definitions and generate code that I like 2016-10-20T00:43:51 < LeelooMinai> They are very simple just name=value 2016-10-20T00:44:06 < kisielk> yeah, it's just writing the templates that will take some work 2016-10-20T00:44:20 < LeelooMinai> Thought about it even, but meh - decided I can do it nicely with C++ directly in the code. 2016-10-20T00:44:30 < kisielk> the other thing it's good for is generating I2C timing values 2016-10-20T00:44:37 < kisielk> which is still voodoo to me 2016-10-20T00:45:21 < LeelooMinai> The clock tree is almost indispensable, since you change one divider somewhere and boom - all the stuff can change all over the places. 2016-10-20T00:45:24 < kisielk> LeelooMinai: yeah, I have my own C++ HAL basically, some stuff is not convenient to do yet though 2016-10-20T00:45:43 < zyp> I've never used cubemx, how does it help pinout planning? 2016-10-20T00:46:09 < LeelooMinai> Immensly I would say - it gives you all the conflicts, alternatives, etc. 2016-10-20T00:46:27 < zyp> conflicts? 2016-10-20T00:46:33 < Thorn> a lot, it has an interactive package drawing plus a list of peripherals that you can turn on, remap etc. 2016-10-20T00:46:33 < LeelooMinai> So you can easily consider alternative ways of, say, using spi on one side or another. 2016-10-20T00:46:40 < Thorn> pin assignment conflicts 2016-10-20T00:46:55 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Yes, conflicts, like you select a pin for something and block this pin for other use. 2016-10-20T00:47:12 < zyp> oh, right, you pick what peripherals you want and it sorts out what combinations of pins you can use to make it all go up? 2016-10-20T00:47:14 < LeelooMinai> While you can use the alternative pin location for that feature and solve the problem many times. 2016-10-20T00:47:29 < Thorn> it's like the pin planner in altera quartus 2016-10-20T00:47:33 < zyp> kinda like a solver? 2016-10-20T00:47:45 < karlp> hey look, sweet, another c++ hal :) 2016-10-20T00:47:49 < zyp> I haven't used quartus', but I've used xilinx' and that was utter shit 2016-10-20T00:47:56 < LeelooMinai> Well, I do it by hand, but you get cisual confirmation - conflict are red, etc. 2016-10-20T00:48:00 < LeelooMinai> visual* 2016-10-20T00:48:04 < kisielk> zyp: it's not quite that smart, but it does help with planning a lot 2016-10-20T00:48:24 < kisielk> karlp: I haven't seen one I like that I can use :) 2016-10-20T00:48:36 < karlp> kisielk: seems to be what c++ people do :) 2016-10-20T00:48:45 < zyp> haha 2016-10-20T00:48:55 < karlp> I was starting a list of all the ones known just in this channel's users, past and present 2016-10-20T00:49:14 < zyp> how many are you up to? 2016-10-20T00:49:29 < zyp> we've got three here right now, and then there were that guy with the insane template stuff 2016-10-20T00:49:30 < karlp> only 4 or 5, but that wasn't counting mbed or arduino. 2016-10-20T00:49:37 < karlp> yeah, the aprinter dude 2016-10-20T00:49:41 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Haven't yous seen how it looks? Weird. http://i.imgur.com/hBp8LFn.png 2016-10-20T00:49:46 < karlp> and there's the stm32++ blogger, he came once or twice 2016-10-20T00:49:48 < zyp> ah, that was his name 2016-10-20T00:50:05 < kisielk> all the ones I've seen have either: a bad API, limited peripheral support, or restrictive license 2016-10-20T00:50:12 < karlp> did decimad ever have his own hal? or was he just a serious c++ user as well? 2016-10-20T00:50:16 < kisielk> but I'd love to be proven wrong :) 2016-10-20T00:50:17 < LeelooMinai> zyp: You can also pin the settings for pins to set them permanently. 2016-10-20T00:50:44 < karlp> limited peripheral support is always the best, "doesn't support the only thing i actually need, so I wrote my own, that only supports the ones I actually need" 2016-10-20T00:51:02 < zyp> LeelooMinai, no, I never ran it 2016-10-20T00:51:17 < zyp> I mean, it didn't even exist when I started out with stm32 :) 2016-10-20T00:51:33 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Heh, strange - I find it super-useful especially when designing pcb/schematic 2016-10-20T00:51:46 < LeelooMinai> Where you shuffle pins around,e tc. 2016-10-20T00:52:04 < kisielk> LeelooMinai: exactly! 2016-10-20T00:53:08 < zyp> I just shuffle the signals around in the altium schematic 2016-10-20T00:53:14 < LeelooMinai> They really "wnt to town" with it recently too in terms of code generation. Added tons of configuration - ADC, SPI, whatever + FreeRTOS and some FAT stuff and USB 2016-10-20T00:53:32 < zyp> picking the AFs which needs to be in specific places first, and then just placing the rest wherever is convenient wrt. layout 2016-10-20T00:53:38 < LeelooMinai> zyp: But altium cannot check that your config is valid. 2016-10-20T00:53:47 < zyp> valid in what sense? 2016-10-20T00:53:53 < kisielk> I think about a year ago CubeMX was total garbage, but they've really improved it 2016-10-20T00:54:11 < karlp> kisielk: that's good to hear 2016-10-20T00:55:37 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Well, valid in terms of functionality. I mean you have only pin labels there and you have to make sure you did not use, say some pin that was supposed to be used by SPI for GPIO, etc. 2016-10-20T00:56:43 < zyp> using a pin with SPI support for GPIO would be just fine, the problem is when you try using a pin without SPI support for SPI 2016-10-20T00:56:59 < zyp> i.e. hooking up MOSI to a pin without the MOSI AF 2016-10-20T00:57:35 < LeelooMinai> Also, what I do, I setup the pinout in Cube then make a symbol for it with all the pin already named and having proper IO direction - this is later used for DRC, so another layer of checking corectness there. 2016-10-20T00:58:14 < LeelooMinai> So cannot use MISO as MOSI for example:p 2016-10-20T00:58:39 < zyp> eh, too much hassle 2016-10-20T00:59:04 < LeelooMinai> can never have too many checks. But hey, I guess that's why I never really had made unusable PCB so far... 2016-10-20T00:59:14 < zyp> I've yet to do any mixups like that, so I don't really see the point in doing more work to get the same result 2016-10-20T00:59:32 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Wait until you are older? :) 2016-10-20T01:00:19 < kisielk> I need to figure out how to use SWO and ITM trace etc one of these days 2016-10-20T01:00:43 < LeelooMinai> I used ITM once - even wrote whole tracing software for it. 2016-10-20T01:01:03 < LeelooMinai> https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/15766823011 2016-10-20T01:01:04 < zyp> LeelooMinai, when my memory start failing, you mean? 2016-10-20T01:01:20 < LeelooMinai> https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/15267769128 2016-10-20T01:01:27 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Memory and other things... 2016-10-20T01:01:48 < LeelooMinai> Unless you are immortal or a vampire that is:p 2016-10-20T01:02:18 < kisielk> LeelooMinai: wow, that looks quite nice :) 2016-10-20T01:02:28 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I'll deal with it when it becomes a problem 2016-10-20T01:02:38 < kisielk> I think I got as far as getting some ITM output over the SWO pin, but then I went on a month long vacation and now I don't even remember how I did that : 2016-10-20T01:02:44 < LeelooMinai> kisielk: Yes, it was, but it was so complex, that I decided I have no time to maintain it:/ 2016-10-20T01:03:13 < LeelooMinai> kisielk: That upper graph is actually GPU accelerated and uses OpenGL - don't know why I had those crazy ideas, maybe I was younger:) 2016-10-20T01:03:27 < kisielk> hah :) 2016-10-20T01:03:40 < kisielk> I was using that open source logic analyzer tool 2016-10-20T01:03:46 < zyp> sigrok? 2016-10-20T01:03:56 < zyp> I know jpa- made swo decoders for that 2016-10-20T01:04:02 < kisielk> yeah, sigrok 2016-10-20T01:04:29 < kisielk> but the problem is it doesn't support my logic analyzer well 2016-10-20T01:04:30 < LeelooMinai> I was using sigrok when debugging that app actually. Too bad at that time it has JTAG decoder bug... 2016-10-20T01:04:40 < LeelooMinai> had* 2016-10-20T01:04:56 < LeelooMinai> Was driving me mad. But they fixed that few weeks ago. 2016-10-20T01:05:00 < kisielk> and Saleae seems to be unable to add any features to their own products in a timely manner 2016-10-20T01:05:01 < Thorn> zyp: ok turns out I have mbi5026 which is only specd for 5V but there is also mbi5024 which can be used from 3V. the latter looks too convenient to not try. thanks for the hint 2016-10-20T01:05:21 < LeelooMinai> kisielk: I use DSLogic - it's a better value imo than Saleae. 2016-10-20T01:05:36 < zyp> Thorn, cool, lemme know how it goes 2016-10-20T01:06:03 < LeelooMinai> kisielk: Also, what is your nick about - it sounds like jelly in my birth language:p 2016-10-20T01:06:19 < kisielk> LeelooMinai: that's my last name and first initial 2016-10-20T01:06:38 < zyp> LeelooMinai, so is your decoder thing available anywhere? 2016-10-20T01:06:47 < kisielk> it's exactly the same as a polish desert :) 2016-10-20T01:06:50 < LeelooMinai> kisielk: Znaczy sie mowies po polsku, czu co? :) 2016-10-20T01:07:23 < kisielk> Mowie po Polsku :) 2016-10-20T01:07:30 < kisielk> but my writing sucks heh 2016-10-20T01:08:00 < LeelooMinai> My typing sucks, so no worries. 2016-10-20T01:08:45 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Yes, somewhere on my disk:) Yes, I am bad - I don't really put stuff out. I don't want to have to maintain anything, etc. 2016-10-20T01:10:28 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-20T01:10:36 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Does that Chinese (I presume) reflow oven work for you? 2016-10-20T01:14:11 < zyp> it haven't caught on fire yet if that's what you're asking :) 2016-10-20T01:14:40 < LeelooMinai> Is it IR or just heating element? 2016-10-20T01:14:54 < zyp> where does the distinction go? 2016-10-20T01:15:15 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T01:15:21 < LeelooMinai> Like with toasters - IR emit mostly, well, IR, the others just heat some wire. 2016-10-20T01:15:53 < zyp> I think the heat source is some kind of tube, so I assume IR 2016-10-20T01:16:04 < zyp> I mean, it's claiming to be IR 2016-10-20T01:16:06 < LeelooMinai> Right, if tube, probably. 2016-10-20T01:16:41 < zyp> haven't used it yet, easier to get assembly done by somebody with a P&P 2016-10-20T01:16:43 < LeelooMinai> I use cheap toaster and controller that I made - works fine. 2016-10-20T01:16:43 < zyp> eh 2016-10-20T01:16:47 < zyp> s/yet/lately/ 2016-10-20T01:17:10 < zyp> yeah, I thought about doing something like that 2016-10-20T01:17:30 < zyp> but at the time I were like «I don't want another project, I just want a tool to use on my current projects» 2016-10-20T01:18:22 < LeelooMinai> Right, yak shaving is bad - I know something about it 2016-10-20T01:24:11 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeVGZrskBoc 2016-10-20T01:25:45 < stvn> today's educational offering 2016-10-20T01:27:16 < Laurenceb_> I was going to make an IR reflow 2016-10-20T01:27:20 < Laurenceb_> but then I got high 2016-10-20T01:27:31 < Laurenceb_> using halogen heat lamps 2016-10-20T01:28:27 < stvn> high off tendies? 2016-10-20T01:28:54 < kisielk> LeelooMinai: so were you connecting ITM data with the DSLogic? 2016-10-20T01:28:55 < Laurenceb_> yup 2016-10-20T01:28:59 < kisielk> *collecting 2016-10-20T01:32:52 < stvn> Laurenceb_: in australia i'm opening up a zoo of meth addicts 2016-10-20T01:35:04 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/164Rtng.jpg 2016-10-20T01:37:13 < LeelooMinai> kisielk: No, with j-link 2016-10-20T01:37:20 < stvn> Laurenceb_: what the fuck is this http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/919/812/da9.png 2016-10-20T01:37:21 < LeelooMinai> kisielk: In JTAG mode 2016-10-20T01:37:43 < Laurenceb_> some hawt 4channage 2016-10-20T01:38:31 < stvn> did i tell you about the dad in AU who gassed his whole family including 2 autistic children 2016-10-20T01:39:58 * LeelooMinai decides to watch some Agents of Shield instead - should be less depressing:p 2016-10-20T01:40:34 < stvn> LeelooMinai: did you find out why your gcc exploded? 2016-10-20T01:41:30 < LeelooMinai> Yes - because it has bugs 2016-10-20T01:41:47 < stvn> the compiler? 2016-10-20T01:41:51 < LeelooMinai> At least when it comes to cutting-edge C++14 features 2016-10-20T01:41:57 < LeelooMinai> Yes 2016-10-20T01:42:08 < LeelooMinai> But found workaround, and I soldier on 2016-10-20T01:42:23 < stvn> hmmm 2016-10-20T01:45:26 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-20T01:46:13 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T01:49:07 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-20T01:59:05 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f775f5b.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2016-10-20T02:01:20 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-20T02:10:42 -!- qyx [~qyx@krtko.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-20T02:10:54 -!- qyx [~qyx@147.175.187.202] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T02:29:17 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/DescriptiveRespectfulAmphiuma indian UBER 2016-10-20T02:30:50 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I have EXTI pending IRQ bit set, but no interrrupt called - I wonder if I have missed something... 2016-10-20T02:31:30 < LeelooMinai> I mean I can see that the IRQ is pending in the debugger. 2016-10-20T02:37:12 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T02:37:44 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, also, the pending bit is set in the EXTI registers, but not in NVIC - aren't EXTI IRQs part of all the NVICs ones? 2016-10-20T02:39:05 < LeelooMinai> Hmm... I think I may have them enabled in EXTI, but not NVIC or something - need to check this more. 2016-10-20T02:40:27 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T02:42:22 < stvn> I have enabled the drug-u-lator 2016-10-20T02:42:26 < stvn> figured out this guy i know who smokes ice blew around $260,000 in the last 10 years on it 2016-10-20T02:45:36 < stvn> pretty radical 2016-10-20T02:45:41 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, right, I have to add them to nvic too - somehow the ST GPIO_Init code handles EXTI config inside, but there's nothing there about NVIC - weird. 2016-10-20T02:46:06 < stvn> don't expect it to make sense LeelooMinai 2016-10-20T02:46:50 < LeelooMinai> Yes, well, I am using it more like a reference so I don't miss anything in my code, but missed the NVIC part. 2016-10-20T02:47:57 < LeelooMinai> Was not really sure even if EXTI is just forwarding the interrupt to nvic or it is a separate interrupt controller-like thing on its own. 2016-10-20T02:48:38 < stvn> i'd have to look at the books mate 2016-10-20T02:48:56 < LeelooMinai> It has all the NVIC-like bits - enabling/disabling, pending, etc. but I guess they are kind of in parallel to what NVIC provides... maybe. 2016-10-20T02:50:00 < stvn> it's been a dirty month and i've been meaning to get stm32ing 2016-10-20T02:50:20 < stvn> got some monkeys on my back 2016-10-20T02:50:36 < LeelooMinai> Well, I mean, they have this diagram there: http://i.imgur.com/DRBDKTH.png 2016-10-20T02:51:18 < LeelooMinai> So it kind of seems like it is pretty self-contained, so I am not clear how this all is related to NVIC - just forwarded to it and mapped into interrupts there? 2016-10-20T02:58:36 < karlp> LeelooMinai: if you're not going to share your tracing software, might as well stop sharing pics of it, it might as well not exist. 2016-10-20T02:59:48 < karlp> kisielk: you can collect swo output with openocd too, and use various tools to then decode it. 2016-10-20T02:59:58 < LeelooMinai> karlp: That's a strange statement - it exists and I was whoing it that I had this idea in the past and implemented it. 2016-10-20T03:00:19 < LeelooMinai> showing it* 2016-10-20T03:01:11 < LeelooMinai> In case someone want to do something similar and wonders if it's viable or whatever question may have... 2016-10-20T03:02:31 < stvn> yay only took mouser 10 weeks to send my metcal tip STDC-107 2016-10-20T03:03:01 < aandrew> yeah I never got good shipping with mouser 2016-10-20T03:08:04 < kisielk> karlp: oh really? I wasn't aware of that 2016-10-20T03:08:15 < kisielk> that's certainly more convenient than having to connect the logic analyzer 2016-10-20T03:09:54 < LeelooMinai> JLink has good tools for this too - imo the EDU one is worth the price. 2016-10-20T03:10:49 < LeelooMinai> Has something called SWO viewer. 2016-10-20T03:11:33 < LeelooMinai> But I think it also provides SWO data on a socket. 2016-10-20T03:13:38 < kisielk> yeah, their SWO viewer is Windows only though 2016-10-20T03:13:43 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2016-10-20T03:15:07 < kisielk> same with a lot of their utilities :/ 2016-10-20T03:20:57 < stvn> i wonder if apple use altium under windows to design PCB 2016-10-20T03:21:34 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T03:22:17 < aandrew> Apple's schematics are not done in Altium 2016-10-20T03:22:30 < aandrew> it looks like something like cadstar but I suspect it's something even bigger and more esoteric 2016-10-20T03:29:36 < LeelooMinai> iRoute Ahoy Captain Edition 2016-10-20T03:30:05 < dongs> def not altidongs 2016-10-20T03:30:09 < dongs> its some obscure hit 2016-10-20T03:30:10 < dongs> shit 2016-10-20T03:30:37 < dongs> you cant even try to make altidong schematic look that ugly 2016-10-20T03:32:09 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-20T03:40:20 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, this L4 has a lot of interrupts... And now I have to type them all:/ 2016-10-20T03:41:18 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I just found them listed there. 2016-10-20T03:42:39 < LeelooMinai> Will steal them and modify a little. 2016-10-20T03:45:11 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-19-73-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-20T03:45:47 < Laurenceb_> oh god 2016-10-20T03:45:56 < Laurenceb_> 15minutes to cringe 2016-10-20T03:46:17 * LeelooMinai is afraid to ask what's in 15 minutes 2016-10-20T03:46:50 < Laurenceb_> something really bad is going to happen in vegas 2016-10-20T03:46:58 < emeb_mac> mumble mumble debate mumble 2016-10-20T03:47:39 < emeb_mac> aka us politics shitshow 2016-10-20T03:47:58 < LeelooMinai> When I was very small a circuis would sometimes put the tens not so far from my mouse. 2016-10-20T03:48:03 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai is not murican? 2016-10-20T03:48:23 < LeelooMinai> I am in Canada (born in Poland) 2016-10-20T03:48:35 < aandrew> she's not or at least not a "pure" american 2016-10-20T03:48:45 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: not ever US citizen? 2016-10-20T03:48:50 < LeelooMinai> But it's close anough to be worried about what's going on not so far away from here:) 2016-10-20T03:48:58 < aandrew> wasn't sure if you were in US before Canada 2016-10-20T03:49:10 < LeelooMinai> No, Greece for a year and Sicilly 2016-10-20T03:49:17 < aandrew> I'm watching the thrid debate 2016-10-20T03:49:28 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=466E33mxzBs 2016-10-20T03:49:32 < aandrew> ought to be an interesting show 2016-10-20T03:49:51 < LeelooMinai> The third is the current? 2016-10-20T03:50:06 < aandrew> yes 2016-10-20T03:50:13 * aandrew is invaded by boxelder beetles 2016-10-20T03:50:28 < LeelooMinai> Damn, Apple ad sneaked in already... 2016-10-20T03:50:29 * emeb_mac avoid joke about wood 2016-10-20T03:50:52 < aandrew> I use adblock 2016-10-20T03:50:54 < LeelooMinai> That's so silly that people do not say "tablets" by iPads... 2016-10-20T03:50:59 < aandrew> 337 things blocked so far 2016-10-20T03:50:59 < LeelooMinai> but* 2016-10-20T03:51:02 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T03:51:25 < aandrew> 338 now 2016-10-20T03:51:31 < aandrew> wow are there that many ads? 2016-10-20T03:51:32 < aandrew> 340 now 2016-10-20T03:51:41 < Laurenceb_> wut 2016-10-20T03:51:54 < aandrew> ublock gives me a count of how many items it's prevented from loading 2016-10-20T03:51:56 < aandrew> 342 now 2016-10-20T03:52:01 < aandrew> it ratches up a little bit every minute 2016-10-20T03:52:32 < aandrew> interesting how they specifically tell the live audience that the debate is NOT for them and to please fuck off about participating/interrupting 2016-10-20T03:53:39 < LeelooMinai> When I watch this intro I somehow imagine they finish, everyone claps, and Trump appears on a small unicycle in a clown outfit. 2016-10-20T03:54:52 < aandrew> haha 2016-10-20T03:57:57 < Laurenceb_> whats in vegas stays in vegas 2016-10-20T03:58:17 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2016-10-20T03:58:44 < aandrew> the more important question is do we care if anyone is upset if we talk about the debate 2016-10-20T03:59:07 < Laurenceb_> lets pretend it isnt happening 2016-10-20T03:59:16 < aandrew> crazy 2016-10-20T04:00:48 < aandrew> ohsix: you do realize you're in #stm32 right? 2016-10-20T04:01:25 < dongs> no im pretty sure he thinks he's in #autism 2016-10-20T04:10:17 < LeelooMinai> Man, he is so lame... already made it about him and how he is mistreated 2016-10-20T04:11:54 < Laurenceb_> not watching due to cringe 2016-10-20T04:12:36 < LeelooMinai> I put it into the corner monitor and try to program - not sure if that's a good idea:p 2016-10-20T04:15:42 < LeelooMinai> Who? 2016-10-20T04:15:46 < aandrew> I like the "protect the toddlers" angle 2016-10-20T04:15:56 < aandrew> wonder if she's about prescription drug controls too 2016-10-20T04:16:48 < aandrew> holy fuck answer the fucking question 2016-10-20T04:17:13 < Laurenceb_> inb4 Russia 2016-10-20T04:17:41 < Laurenceb_> the ebil Russia in Aleppo is so much worse than American backed forces in Mosul 2016-10-20T04:18:56 < aandrew> my favourite ever diaper vest says "now that I'm safe I'm pro-choice" 2016-10-20T04:19:08 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: I don't see how any woman could vote for him... To his sexism you need also to add what he just said - that he will appoint judges that will uphold anti-abortion laws. 2016-10-20T04:19:09 < Laurenceb_> epin lulz 2016-10-20T04:19:54 < LeelooMinai> His also racist, so what's left - white straight males basically:) 2016-10-20T04:20:03 < Laurenceb_> fucking white male 2016-10-20T04:20:19 < LeelooMinai> males not whales 2016-10-20T04:20:29 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa-7a2gLDjI 2016-10-20T04:20:47 < aandrew> hmph, 1.27mm headers/connectrs that are right-angle don't really exist, or they are INSANELY expensive 2016-10-20T04:21:01 < aandrew> ED1327-ND for example. 4 pins, $8.57?!! 2016-10-20T04:21:08 < LeelooMinai> lol 2016-10-20T04:21:44 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Ali I guess: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10Pcs-Pitch-1-27mm-1x50-Pin-50-Pin-Single-Row-Right-Angle-Male-Pin-Header-Strip/32706841510.html 2016-10-20T04:22:32 < aandrew> yeah 2016-10-20T04:22:38 < aandrew> and this company I'm doing this for could find them I'm sure too 2016-10-20T04:22:40 < aandrew> they're in HK 2016-10-20T04:22:49 < aandrew> but I try not to do production design that way 2016-10-20T04:22:56 < dongs> millmax more like ripoffmax 2016-10-20T04:23:01 < dongs> all their shit is insane priced 2016-10-20T04:23:04 < LeelooMinai> Well, it's a pretty generic part 2016-10-20T04:23:07 < dongs> are those springloaded or something 2016-10-20T04:23:12 < dongs> why the shit are they $8 lol 2016-10-20T04:23:50 < rajkosto> 10pcs 2016-10-20T04:23:53 < rajkosto> so they are 0.8 each 2016-10-20T04:23:53 < LeelooMinai> Here comes the wall... 2016-10-20T04:24:19 < dongs> doesnt say 10 anywhere. 2016-10-20T04:24:20 < aandrew> oh is it $0.80? that's not that expesnive 2016-10-20T04:24:28 < rajkosto> 10 pcs 2016-10-20T04:24:32 < rajkosto> of 1x50pin 2016-10-20T04:24:41 < rajkosto> so you get 500 pins 2016-10-20T04:24:51 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=ED1327-ND 2016-10-20T04:26:50 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-20T04:27:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T04:29:15 < aandrew> they need a fucking mute button for these idiots 2016-10-20T04:29:19 < aandrew> STOP. FUCKING. NOW 2016-10-20T04:29:34 < LeelooMinai> Water gun imo:) 2016-10-20T04:30:11 < aandrew> hahaha 2016-10-20T04:30:13 < aandrew> just lke a cat 2016-10-20T04:30:19 < aandrew> oh yeah try to spin wikileaks now 2016-10-20T04:30:23 < aandrew> this is a much better debate already 2016-10-20T04:30:29 < aandrew> ITS TEH RUSSIANS 2016-10-20T04:32:51 < LeelooMinai> lol @ that argument "Putin like me, not you, so there" 2016-10-20T04:36:39 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-20T04:39:44 -!- johntramp [~john@175.111.102.145] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-20T04:39:44 -!- johntramp [~john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T04:47:33 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T04:55:01 < upgrdman> proper way to unload a car from a trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jjrGPNiOJU&feature=youtu.be 2016-10-20T04:59:59 < upgrdman> effective riot control. damn this looks fun. https://vimeo.com/188035350 2016-10-20T05:02:51 < aandrew> finally someone held her feet to the fire 2016-10-20T05:08:27 < LeelooMinai> He just lamely deflects everything 2016-10-20T05:19:11 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.60.235] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-20T05:26:09 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.63.64] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T05:41:15 < LeelooMinai> You stupified everyone and they turned into stones. 2016-10-20T05:41:47 < LeelooMinai> I survived, because I was not reading everything. 2016-10-20T05:46:31 < LeelooMinai> Also, good thing M2F does not exist, there's only M4F 2016-10-20T05:51:24 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-20T06:25:04 < upgrdman> one of my youtube viewer msg'd me this: "DELTAWIDE INFOMEDIA PVT. LTD. 12 hours ago · Hi we need some help regarding Raspberry pi 3 and Webserver. Please you can make a apps for us." 2016-10-20T06:29:52 < upgrdman> R2COM, this the girl with a margarita or whatever you posted a pic of? 2016-10-20T06:32:22 < upgrdman> you porking her yet? 2016-10-20T06:50:47 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T06:58:49 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5kzyUFb2Sg 2016-10-20T06:58:57 < stvn> hey listen, could you do me a fast one mate? 2016-10-20T06:59:59 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Why is there a toilet there 2016-10-20T07:00:08 < LeelooMinai> ... 2016-10-20T07:00:35 < LeelooMinai> Wait... fire... 2016-10-20T07:01:04 < Thorn> it's a led illuminated toilet for smd work 2016-10-20T07:01:33 < Thorn> I have a very similar one 2016-10-20T07:01:55 < LeelooMinai> lol @ the end 2016-10-20T07:02:11 < Thorn> like a lot of people I assume (even Dave had one in his videos iirc) 2016-10-20T07:02:54 < LeelooMinai> I bought cheaper reflow workstation, but with nicer air - has pump inside the case. 2016-10-20T07:03:47 < LeelooMinai> Instead of a sad fan in the handle. 2016-10-20T07:04:30 < stvn> which one 2016-10-20T07:06:09 < LeelooMinai> This one, but long time ago: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/FULL-PACK-GQ-5200-SMD-Rework-Station-Hot-Air-Soldering-Iron-USA-Brand-Tool-021-/121368265983 2016-10-20T07:08:03 < stvn> the pumper 2016-10-20T07:10:18 < LeelooMinai> There was The Flash at the end of the iron fire video - Russian The Flash:) 2016-10-20T07:45:11 -!- johntramp [~john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 2016-10-20T07:45:25 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T07:48:45 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-20T07:48:50 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-20T07:52:46 < ReadErr> 2016-10-20T07:52:46 < ReadErr> 2016-10-20T07:52:46 < ReadErr> 2016-10-20T07:52:46 < ReadErr> 2016-10-20T07:52:46 < ReadErr> 2016-10-20T07:52:47 < ReadErr> 2016-10-20T07:52:47 < ReadErr> 2016-10-20T07:52:47 < ReadErr> 2016-10-20T07:52:48 < ReadErr> 2016-10-20T07:55:18 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T07:56:28 < ReadErr> nothxbb 2016-10-20T08:03:26 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, anyone know if it's possible to get at an address of a weak function, say defined like this in asm: .weak RTC_WKUP_IRQHandler, when compiling in gcc? 2016-10-20T08:06:45 < LeelooMinai> Well, nm, I meant at the address of the place where it was places, but I guess I can just presume that this will start at 0 and add IRQ number *4. 2016-10-20T08:22:47 < stvn> ReadErr: http://imgur.com/a/g3EJC 2016-10-20T08:23:06 < ReadErr> stvn: lrn2monospace font 2016-10-20T08:23:23 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Y1D6zy5w/monospace.png 2016-10-20T08:23:47 < stvn> I CANT COMPUTERS 2016-10-20T08:24:22 < stvn> webchat has its font and no option 2016-10-20T08:29:05 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-20T08:34:09 < ReadErr> then use urkcloud 2016-10-20T08:35:05 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2016-10-20T08:41:48 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T08:46:41 < LeelooMinai> Right, I now, I realized that in may be defined in many places, so my question did not make sense. 2016-10-20T08:46:49 < LeelooMinai> I know* 2016-10-20T08:48:42 < LeelooMinai> Or buy bluetooth headphones:) 2016-10-20T08:49:23 < LeelooMinai> I have bluetooth headphones for watching TV series when it's late and they are great - crystal clear and never any problems. 2016-10-20T08:49:44 < LeelooMinai> Well, I guess you can buy ones that transmit from a jack too. 2016-10-20T08:50:06 < LeelooMinai> But well worth it - since they will last much longer probably (no cord to break) 2016-10-20T08:50:25 < LeelooMinai> And no cord to entagled with... 2016-10-20T08:51:28 < LeelooMinai> Half-measures:) 2016-10-20T08:57:41 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: You can buy separate transmitters: https://www.amazon.ca/Miccus-Mini-jack-Bluetooth-Transmitter-Headphones/dp/B002HHLOWC 2016-10-20T09:18:10 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T09:24:36 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-20T09:26:05 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T09:26:09 < stvn> what are you talking about? 2016-10-20T09:31:21 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T09:36:42 < stvn> with STM32s? 2016-10-20T09:52:44 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-20T09:56:26 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-20T10:35:57 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: marijuana holes] 2016-10-20T10:39:11 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T10:55:48 < rajkosto> ohsix, your headphones dont actually have a male plug on them instead of a coord ? 2016-10-20T10:56:12 < rajkosto> ive replaced like 5 coords on this thing 2016-10-20T11:42:33 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-20T11:54:47 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-20T11:56:50 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.133.108] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T12:13:52 < dongs> https://anchorage.craigslist.org/cto/5809700521.html anyoen wanna buy my truck 2016-10-20T12:30:25 < karlp> that's yours? 2016-10-20T12:31:29 < karlp> serious vehicles those 2016-10-20T12:31:58 < sync> 3 lockers are nice :D 2016-10-20T12:32:08 < sync> for when you absolutely need to get out of some shit 2016-10-20T12:32:25 < sync> or for when you absolutely need to explode your drivetrain 2016-10-20T12:33:27 < karlp> like even third gear in those things is slower than walking 2016-10-20T12:33:34 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T12:34:00 -!- c4017_ [~c4017@d173-180-81-120.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T12:36:53 -!- c4017 [~c4017@d173-180-81-120.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-20T12:38:58 < dongs> heh 2016-10-20T12:53:03 < jadew> are those normal prices for trucks? 2016-10-20T12:53:21 < sync> only for mogs 2016-10-20T12:53:37 < jadew> what's a mog? 2016-10-20T12:53:41 < karlp> that truck 2016-10-20T12:54:03 < karlp> short for unimog 2016-10-20T12:54:12 < jadew> ah, got it 2016-10-20T12:59:34 < jadew> I guess that answers the question I've been asking myself for many years now. The answer is no, I can't afford a trcuk. 2016-10-20T12:59:39 < jadew> *truck 2016-10-20T13:00:11 < PaulFertser> "Soldotna, Alaska" hm, interesting, Soldotna can be translated from russian as "stupid, mean soldiers" 2016-10-20T13:00:29 < jadew> you have a single word for that? 2016-10-20T13:01:20 < PaulFertser> Yes 2016-10-20T13:01:27 < jadew> funny 2016-10-20T13:02:23 < sync> unimog -> universelles motorgerät ;) 2016-10-20T13:02:57 < jadew> I take it they're a nice brand? 2016-10-20T13:03:56 < PaulFertser> Probably it used to be less derogatory back then when alaska was under russian's control. E.g. "rebiatna" (same suffix -na) means simply "kids". Probably people realised when few soldiers gather together it's not that funny :) 2016-10-20T13:04:12 < sync> jadew: mercedes 2016-10-20T13:04:21 < PaulFertser> I think there're few unimogs still in service in moscow. 2016-10-20T13:04:29 < sync> they are still made new 2016-10-20T13:05:12 < dongs> oh thats made by mercedes? 2016-10-20T13:05:56 < Thorn> wtf is MBI5024. no mention on http://www.mblock.com.tw/ 2016-10-20T13:06:19 < sync> yes dongs 2016-10-20T13:07:28 < dongs> thorn, sounds like led driver 2016-10-20T13:09:00 < Thorn> it's supposed to be like 5026 but with 3-5.5V rather than 4.5-5-5V power 2016-10-20T13:11:02 < Thorn> you can find datasheets elsewhere but the official website pretends it never existed 2016-10-20T13:12:31 < dongs> probly a custom job for some specific order 2016-10-20T13:14:11 -!- c4017 [~c4017@d173-180-81-120.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T13:14:19 < Thorn> 2500 available @ http://www.elitan.ru/price/item178744532 much cheaper than other macroblock stuff 2016-10-20T13:16:08 < dongs> i forgot which MBI i ordered but it was defintiely 3.3V 2016-10-20T13:16:17 < dongs> what is that shit in real money 2016-10-20T13:16:43 -!- c4017_ [~c4017@d173-180-81-120.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-20T13:17:15 < Thorn> $0.3 qty 100 2016-10-20T13:17:44 < dongs> o no i used MY9221 2016-10-20T13:18:42 < dongs> but it has retarded DDR SPI 2016-10-20T13:21:38 < Thorn> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/MBI5024GP-MBI5024-SSOP24-ZYXP2/32694137746.html also lots of sellers on ali 2016-10-20T13:22:00 < dongs> damn 2016-10-20T13:22:05 < dongs> i clicked on some brazilian shitexpress link 2016-10-20T13:23:25 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/SimpleChiefHarborseal thats the way to do it 2016-10-20T13:26:01 < dongs> is 6-pin SWD thing on all discovey boards same? 2016-10-20T13:26:06 < dongs> or do I need to look at specific one for pinout 2016-10-20T13:26:23 < karlp> dongs: upgrdman posted that earlier 2016-10-20T13:26:30 < dongs> oh, old'd 2016-10-20T13:26:36 < karlp> and yeah, all discos that have 6 pins have the same six pins 2016-10-20T13:26:46 < dongs> takes a while to propagate the lulz on irc 2016-10-20T13:28:18 < jpa-> dongs: same AFAIK 2016-10-20T13:28:24 < dongs> nucleo and shit too? 2016-10-20T13:28:35 < dongs> jumpers to switch from internal MCU to external swd connectors? 2016-10-20T13:28:51 < jpa-> yeah 2016-10-20T13:29:01 < jpa-> nucleo also has separate header with rx/tx for usb usart 2016-10-20T13:32:43 < dongs> yep just found mine 2016-10-20T13:32:56 < dongs> looks like pinout is vdd swclk gnd swdio nrst swo 2016-10-20T13:32:59 < karlp> nucleo usb uart is flaky as fuck 2016-10-20T13:33:16 < dongs> ST's own USB-FS HAL lib is garbagE? 2016-10-20T13:33:19 < dongs> who would have thought? 2016-10-20T13:33:42 < dongs> i think i tried using st cdc thing once and just ended up using keil usb lib insstead 2016-10-20T13:33:59 < karlp> maybe they've patched it in later updates, but I was using it as a console to a dev board here, and it would regularly shit itself and start corrrupting everything and freezing. 2016-10-20T13:34:08 < dongs> nice 2016-10-20T13:34:09 < karlp> ftdi and cp210x shits just worked 2016-10-20T13:34:13 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.63.64] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-20T13:34:22 < dongs> i guess I wont be recommending peeps to use that usb>uart for production flashing 2016-10-20T13:34:26 < dongs> just give them some cp2102 boards. 2016-10-20T13:34:36 < jpa-> karlp: yeah, and IIRC it is in parallel with everything so that using it with external boards is not easily possible 2016-10-20T13:34:49 < dongs> mbed(tm) 2016-10-20T13:34:53 < karlp> yeah, I'd gotten my new minion a nucleo to have a programmer and the usb-uart dongle in one device 2016-10-20T13:34:57 < karlp> fail. 2016-10-20T13:35:06 < karlp> he's now got a cp210x dongle like i do :) 2016-10-20T13:37:21 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.133.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-20T13:57:32 < dongs> so, right now im doing IR tx by running TIM1 at 36khz or whatever and turning it on/off with BDTR and delay loops 2016-10-20T13:57:42 < dongs> any clever way i can master/slave that stuff to do the toggling from another timer? 2016-10-20T13:58:20 < dongs> i could also DMA the 36khz bitstream pre-filled with the bits etc but thats kinda a waste of ram (i have enough, but still waste) 2016-10-20T13:58:31 < dongs> would prefer to DMA only like 40bytes instead of 4000 2016-10-20T13:58:32 < jpa-> use the master/slave functionality. 2016-10-20T13:58:41 < dongs> < dongs> any clever way i can master/slave that stuff to do the toggling from another timer? 2016-10-20T13:58:47 < dongs> yeah thats what I asked 2016-10-20T13:58:50 < dongs> would that work? 2016-10-20T13:59:07 < dongs> i can't move the pins, but TIM1_CH1 or whatever is output 2016-10-20T13:59:13 < dongs> and I have lots of free unconnected timers. 2016-10-20T13:59:48 < jpa-> in slave mode control register (SMCR), set slave mode 101 "Gated mode" 2016-10-20T14:01:13 < jpa-> you'll need to set the master timer so that the pulse lengths are always a multiple of the TIM1 period so that it always stops in '0' state, though 2016-10-20T14:01:33 < jpa-> you could also DMA to the BDTR register, though 2016-10-20T14:01:40 < dongs> oh can i? 2016-10-20T14:01:44 < dongs> from another timer? 2016-10-20T14:01:44 < dongs> hmmm 2016-10-20T14:01:46 < jpa-> sure 2016-10-20T14:01:51 < dongs> that would work 2016-10-20T14:02:01 < dongs> i should look into that, probly easier than figuring out masterslave 2016-10-20T14:02:05 < jpa-> probably easier than .. yeah 2016-10-20T14:02:43 < dongs> would this be a "memory to peripheral" dma? heh 2016-10-20T14:03:02 < jpa-> sure, BDTR is a peripheral register just like any else :) 2016-10-20T14:03:13 < dongs> ok lets see. 2016-10-20T14:03:15 < dongs> this should be fun 2016-10-20T14:05:58 < dongs> fuck woflramalpha so slow 2016-10-20T14:09:28 < jadew> I bought a couple of packs of new batteries for my caliper: http://86.127.196.34/stuff/20161020_140706.jpg 2016-10-20T14:11:52 < jadew> I threw out the old battery and when I decided to buy the new ones I just guessed... 2016-10-20T14:11:54 < jpa-> i have the same issue, i have a mix pack.. first ran out of LR44 (the correct size); now using LR43 after bending one of the springs a bit 2016-10-20T14:13:03 < jadew> thing is I wanted to buy two different sizes, but somehow I managed to buy the same size 2016-10-20T14:15:29 < jadew> jpa-, so LR44 is the correct size? 2016-10-20T14:15:39 < jpa-> very likely yes 2016-10-20T14:15:43 < dongs> btw i dunno about your calipers but 2016-10-20T14:15:44 < jadew> I remember my battery had AC-something on it 2016-10-20T14:15:50 < dongs> mine kill the battery within weeks/months 2016-10-20T14:15:52 < dongs> if you leave it in 2016-10-20T14:15:59 < dongs> so I always pop that shit out when im storing it 2016-10-20T14:16:07 < dongs> but my shit is some $7 hobbyking trash 2016-10-20T14:16:18 < jadew> I've had it for a couple of years and this is the first time I replaced it 2016-10-20T14:16:23 < jadew> same is mine 2016-10-20T14:16:33 < dongs> hm donno man 2016-10-20T14:16:37 < dongs> even HK page says it rapes batteries 2016-10-20T14:16:39 < dongs> i mean the comments 2016-10-20T14:17:04 < jpa-> mine is some $20 locally bought and it last about a year per battery 2016-10-20T14:17:04 < jadew> weird 2016-10-20T14:17:09 < jpa-> but it does turn off automatically 2016-10-20T14:17:17 < dongs> yeah so does mine 2016-10-20T14:17:20 < dongs> but it sill leaks 2016-10-20T14:17:20 < jadew> ffs... I just turned it around and it says the battery size on the back 2016-10-20T14:17:22 < jadew> LR44 2016-10-20T14:17:29 < jpa-> probably just very varying quality or some crappy soldering causing leakage 2016-10-20T14:17:35 < dongs> i should throw it on my awesome DMM and see how much it actually draws 2016-10-20T14:17:38 < dongs> when off 2016-10-20T14:17:49 < dongs> "off" 2016-10-20T14:17:57 < jadew> dongs, good idea 2016-10-20T14:18:18 < jadew> I doubt they use caps, do they? 2016-10-20T14:18:26 < dongs> for? 2016-10-20T14:18:37 < jadew> for decoupling 2016-10-20T14:18:42 < dongs> lol who knows 2016-10-20T14:18:46 < dongs> im not taking it apart. 2016-10-20T14:19:14 < dongs> does this sound sane? 1MHz timer @ stm32, to get 1.8kHz timer period = 556 - 1 2016-10-20T14:19:24 < dongs> calculatd by 1MHz/1.8kHz - 1 2016-10-20T14:23:20 < dongs> http://codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/105137/calculating-the-distance-between-two-letters 2016-10-20T14:23:23 < dongs> ... 2016-10-20T14:25:50 < jadew> lol 2016-10-20T14:27:59 < dongs> jpa-: I DMA on TIMx_UP channel right? 2016-10-20T14:28:19 < dongs> cant really see where else I'd trigger it off of 2016-10-20T14:56:36 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-20T14:58:35 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.161.5] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T15:03:56 < dongs> hm i guess it should work 2016-10-20T15:03:58 < dongs> time to tryt 2016-10-20T15:07:41 < dongs> annd no. 2016-10-20T15:07:44 < dongs> i guess i missed soemthign 2016-10-20T15:08:07 < jpa-> should work yeah 2016-10-20T15:09:44 < dongs> heh looks like bdtr is zero by default 2016-10-20T15:09:56 < dongs> i was wasting time saving it and OR'ing MOE 2016-10-20T15:10:01 < dongs> but fuck that, ill just do 0/0x8000 2016-10-20T15:13:40 < dongs> hm TIm2 is spinning. DMAR is enabled. 2016-10-20T15:14:31 < jpa-> what about DIER? 2016-10-20T15:14:42 < dongs> UDR is set 2016-10-20T15:14:44 < dongs> er UDE 2016-10-20T15:14:49 < dongs> update or whatever 2016-10-20T15:15:02 < dongs> 0x100 2016-10-20T15:15:07 < jpa-> yeah 2016-10-20T15:15:22 < dongs> and I'm on DMA1_Stream7 / Channel 3 2016-10-20T15:15:24 < dongs> TIM2_UP 2016-10-20T15:15:28 < dongs> for the DMA request 2016-10-20T15:15:29 < dongs> sounds legit? 2016-10-20T15:15:46 < dongs> does it matter that peripehral im writing to is not the one performing DMA? 2016-10-20T15:17:05 < jpa-> no, that part doesn't matter 2016-10-20T15:17:13 < jpa-> is the DMA stream NDTR register changing? 2016-10-20T15:17:37 < dongs> nope its what i set it to 2016-10-20T15:17:40 < dongs> and its not completing. 2016-10-20T15:18:17 < jpa-> and UDIS in TIM2->CR1 is 0, right? 2016-10-20T15:18:30 < dongs> zero 2016-10-20T15:18:42 < dongs> is that the problme? 2016-10-20T15:18:46 < dongs> 'update disable' 2016-10-20T15:19:52 < jpa-> nah, that's correct 2016-10-20T15:20:07 < dongs> oh, its SET to not update 2016-10-20T15:20:16 < dongs> looks like its special function to enable that, i didnt call it, so its default of zero. 2016-10-20T15:20:29 < dongs> TIM_UpdateDisableConfig() 2016-10-20T15:23:12 < dongs> i do timer init, timer->CR | enable, DMA init, then in my send function i do M0AR = buffer, NDTR = size, enable TIM_DMA_Update, dmastream->CR | enable, then wait for completeion 2016-10-20T15:23:19 < dongs> i have similar shit wiht SPI in same order and it works 2016-10-20T15:24:10 < jpa-> sounds sane 2016-10-20T15:24:27 < jpa-> if you want to post the register values for the DMA stream and timer as printed by debugger, i can double-check 2016-10-20T15:24:28 < dongs> and i guess its not even starting. hmm where the fuck would I even look for an error here? 2016-10-20T15:25:02 < dongs> TCIF flag is for the stream number right 2016-10-20T15:25:07 < dongs> not the channel? 2016-10-20T15:25:15 < dongs> well never mind that cuz ndtr isnt zero anyway 2016-10-20T15:25:28 < dongs> so its never starting in teh first palce before i even get to waiting for potentialyl wrong thing 2016-10-20T15:26:29 < dongs> at DMA1_Stream7->CR | ENABLE it should start blogging shit out right? 2016-10-20T15:26:42 < jpa-> yep 2016-10-20T15:26:48 < dongs> not_starting 2016-10-20T15:28:00 < dongs> if it worked correctly, DMA would start on the next "update" of timer when it reaches zero right? 2016-10-20T15:30:32 < jpa-> yeah, and NDTR would decrement for every transfer 2016-10-20T15:30:35 < dongs> right 2016-10-20T15:30:46 < jpa-> UIF in the timer status register should get set also 2016-10-20T15:30:51 < dongs> hey it decrements once 2016-10-20T15:31:00 < dongs> count = 0x63 2016-10-20T15:31:03 < dongs> NDTR is 0x62 2016-10-20T15:31:28 < dongs> UIF is set 2016-10-20T15:33:15 < dongs> yeah. 2016-10-20T15:33:48 < dongs> before i do stream->cr | en , ndtr is 0x63, after that it decremetns once . 2016-10-20T15:33:58 < dongs> wtf is tehre no DMA error register to see what the problem is 2016-10-20T15:35:22 < jpa-> does TEIF get set? 2016-10-20T15:35:34 < dongs> in where 2016-10-20T15:35:38 < jpa-> dma status register 2016-10-20T15:35:47 < jpa-> near TCIF bit 2016-10-20T15:35:59 < dongs> yes 2016-10-20T15:36:09 < dongs> is that the error fail flag? 2016-10-20T15:36:41 < jpa-> yeah, if it gets set, it means either source or destination address was bullshit 2016-10-20T15:36:48 < dongs> those are both ok 2016-10-20T15:36:56 < dongs> source is in ram, confirmed 2016-10-20T15:36:59 < dongs> address is correct 2016-10-20T15:37:04 < jpa-> so does TEIF get set or not? 2016-10-20T15:37:09 < dongs> dest is like 0x40010044 2016-10-20T15:37:12 < dongs> which is TIM1->BDTR 2016-10-20T15:37:17 < dongs> well, lemme reset and see 2016-10-20T15:37:20 < dongs> wehn it gets set 2016-10-20T15:37:40 < dongs> yes 2016-10-20T15:37:47 < dongs> its set right after enable 2016-10-20T15:38:00 < jpa-> check also transfer size, that register probably wants a 16-bit write size 2016-10-20T15:38:12 < dongs> done, both are 16 2016-10-20T15:38:43 < dongs> hmm FEIF is set too 2016-10-20T15:38:45 < dongs> but fifo trash is disabled 2016-10-20T15:38:47 < dongs> did i fuck somethin up 2016-10-20T15:40:56 < dongs> hm nope same hsit 2016-10-20T15:46:39 < rajkosto> flyback well they were using their products without asking 2016-10-20T15:46:46 < rajkosto> there's a reason people who film stuff take the labels off or hide them 2016-10-20T15:47:26 < rajkosto> mods which mod GTA to have real vehicle names and logos also get taken down 2016-10-20T15:50:00 < rajkosto> i love to explode 2016-10-20T15:50:10 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/IYjFpi20.html pfft. no idea 2016-10-20T15:50:22 < dongs> jpa-: i cant find anyone else who was crazy enough to try DMA to BDTR :) 2016-10-20T15:51:45 < rajkosto> how would you enforce that at runtime tho 2016-10-20T15:51:50 < rajkosto> any stray pointer can address anything 2016-10-20T15:54:42 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-20T15:54:56 < dongs> i guess i can try TIM5.. or some other timer i dont have used 2016-10-20T15:55:18 < dongs> the only thing is TIm2 im using is 32bit shit 2016-10-20T15:55:25 < dongs> but i cant imagine that making any difference 2016-10-20T16:06:20 < dongs> TIM5 same shit. 2016-10-20T16:06:47 -!- damme [~damme@h-203-16.a216.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T16:07:48 < dongs> we need to get clive1 in here 2016-10-20T16:07:50 < dongs> he would probably know. 2016-10-20T16:07:55 < zyp> haha 2016-10-20T16:08:15 < dongs> o fuck i found a forum post about someone actually doing this 2016-10-20T16:08:16 < dongs> lets see 2016-10-20T16:08:25 < zyp> what are you trying to do? 2016-10-20T16:08:31 < dongs> zyp, DMA to TIM1->BDTR 2016-10-20T16:08:42 < dongs> to toggle it on/off. 2016-10-20T16:08:43 < zyp> hmm, what was BDTR? 2016-10-20T16:08:47 < dongs> turn on/off PWM outputs 2016-10-20T16:08:54 < dongs> https://my.st.com/public/STe2ecommunities/mcu/Lists/cortex_mx_stm32/Flat.aspx?RootFolder=%2Fpublic%2FSTe2ecommunities%2Fmcu%2FLists%2Fcortex_mx_stm32%2Fdma%20issue%20when%20writing%20to%20TIM1-BDTR&FolderCTID=0x01200200770978C69A1141439FE559EB459D7580009C4E14902C3CDE46A77F0FFD06506F5B¤tviews=145 2016-10-20T16:09:02 < zyp> for multiple channels at once? 2016-10-20T16:09:08 < dongs> oh for fucks sake 2016-10-20T16:09:15 < dongs> and clive nails it 2016-10-20T16:09:16 < dongs> but uh 2016-10-20T16:09:44 < dongs> DMA2 has no TIM5/etc update?? 2016-10-20T16:09:56 < dongs> zyp, no just one 2016-10-20T16:10:05 < dongs> i'm already doing it manually and its boring 2016-10-20T16:10:08 < dongs> so i wanted to automate it 2016-10-20T16:10:13 < zyp> ah, bus limitations 2016-10-20T16:10:27 < dongs> so what, its not gonna work? 2016-10-20T16:10:44 < dongs> there's nothing on D MA1 except fucking TIM1 2016-10-20T16:10:47 < zyp> so uh, why aren't you just changing the channel register to one of the limit values? wouldn't that do the same? 2016-10-20T16:11:00 < dongs> what channel register? 2016-10-20T16:11:13 < zyp> for the output compare channel 2016-10-20T16:11:41 < dongs> it would be but doesnt matter, that wouldnt DMA either? 2016-10-20T16:11:45 < zyp> setting it to 0 or max should keep it high or low 2016-10-20T16:11:46 < zyp> but yeah 2016-10-20T16:11:57 < zyp> anyway, check memory bus diagram in the RM 2016-10-20T16:11:59 < dongs> hmmm, fuck 2016-10-20T16:12:00 < dongs> thats a fail 2016-10-20T16:12:12 < zyp> that'll tell you which DMAs can access what 2016-10-20T16:14:04 < dongs> i guess the next way would be masterslave shit. 2016-10-20T16:14:07 < dongs> which I know evne less about 2016-10-20T16:16:47 < dongs> i dont get it tho how did that guy in forum "fix" it by using DMA2 2016-10-20T16:19:54 < dongs> you stupid fucking canuck 2016-10-20T16:21:23 < dongs> so zyp, i should just give up on this idea right ?its not gonna DMA across AHB? 2016-10-20T16:24:41 < zyp> idk, I'm eating, can take a look at the RM afterwards 2016-10-20T16:24:49 < dongs> well, if clive says its fail i'd agree 2016-10-20T16:24:56 < dongs> i'm just curious how the guy could have "fixed" it 2016-10-20T16:24:59 < dongs> DMA2 only has TIM1 on it 2016-10-20T16:25:00 < dongs> and no other timers. 2016-10-20T16:25:40 < zyp> do you need to use specific timers? which ones are free? 2016-10-20T16:25:48 < zyp> and which chip is this? 2016-10-20T16:25:51 < dongs> yeah im kinda fukd cuz hardware is made. 2016-10-20T16:25:59 < dongs> i mean it works 2016-10-20T16:26:07 < dongs> other than manually turning shit on/off 2016-10-20T16:26:08 < dongs> just f401 2016-10-20T16:26:16 < dongs> TIm1 is output, and Ih ave TIM2/TIm5 2016-10-20T16:26:32 < zyp> ok, I'll check the RM in a few minutes 2016-10-20T16:30:23 < zyp> so, according to bus diagram, DMA1 can only access APB1, DMA2 can access anything 2016-10-20T16:30:49 < dongs> Figure 23? 2016-10-20T16:30:57 < dongs> RM0368 2016-10-20T16:31:25 < zyp> figure 1 2016-10-20T16:31:46 < dongs> heh 2016-10-20T16:31:47 < zyp> ah, figure 23 agrees 2016-10-20T16:32:12 < zyp> hmm, but 2016-10-20T16:32:37 < zyp> okay, DMA2 can only be triggered by TIM1, yes 2016-10-20T16:33:17 < dongs> should i run TIM1 at same multiple 2016-10-20T16:33:23 < dongs> then configure another chanenl as DMA trigger 2016-10-20T16:33:25 < zyp> so TIM1 regs can only be written by DMA2 and DMA2 can only be triggered by TIM1 (and some non-timer periphs) 2016-10-20T16:33:26 < dongs> and do it that way? 2016-10-20T16:33:44 < dongs> i guess thats the only thing 2016-10-20T16:33:46 < zyp> what are you trying to do anyway? 2016-10-20T16:33:54 < dongs> overlay bits on a carrier 2016-10-20T16:33:59 < zyp> like IRTIM? 2016-10-20T16:34:00 < dongs> aka IRTIM without one 2016-10-20T16:34:01 < dongs> y 2016-10-20T16:34:17 < zyp> and the output is now wired up to TIM1_CH1? 2016-10-20T16:34:20 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-20T16:35:54 < zyp> okay, so that's not going to work with just DMA, let's see if it can be done with some of the timer master/slave shit 2016-10-20T16:35:59 < dongs> so if i run say TIM1_CH2 or something with different period (bit clock) from carrier (ch1), and use that to trigger BDTR DMA, that should work 2016-10-20T16:36:06 < dongs> ^why this wont work? 2016-10-20T16:37:15 < zyp> uh, because period is set in ARR, while duty is set in CHx 2016-10-20T16:37:35 < dongs> oh fuck right 2016-10-20T16:37:40 < dongs> one timer is same period 2016-10-20T16:39:57 -!- damme [~damme@h-203-16.a216.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-20T16:40:53 < dongs> gated slave mode should work I guess 2016-10-20T16:40:59 < dongs> but ive never set one up 2016-10-20T16:41:39 < zyp> that's what I'm looking at 2016-10-20T16:42:58 < zyp> how does the signal that you want to combine with the carrier look? 2016-10-20T16:43:40 < dongs> just bits at lower frequency 2016-10-20T16:43:43 < dongs> say carrire is 36khz 2016-10-20T16:43:45 < dongs> bits are like 1.8 2016-10-20T16:44:09 < dongs> one real dumb way is to prepare a huge DMA buffer for TIM1 2016-10-20T16:44:11 < dongs> at 36khz 2016-10-20T16:44:26 < dongs> i got plenty of ram so thats possible but thats just super lazy way 2016-10-20T16:44:27 < zyp> haha, nah, fuck that 2016-10-20T16:44:49 < zyp> you'll spend more time preparing the buffer than just turning the timer on/off by interrupt 2016-10-20T16:44:59 < dongs> for sure 2016-10-20T16:45:09 < dongs> the shit already works by turning on/off anyway 2016-10-20T16:45:19 < zyp> 1.8kHz? 2016-10-20T16:45:21 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-20T16:45:34 < dongs> all it does is jsut write bdtr on or off 2016-10-20T16:45:43 < dongs> and waits for next 560us or whatever 2016-10-20T16:46:26 < dongs> i mean this really doesnt need fixing but i was hoping for a fully hands-off DMA-like thing :) 2016-10-20T16:46:38 < zyp> so 20 pulses per bit, that are either on or off depending on the bit value 2016-10-20T16:46:46 < zyp> or rather, pulsing or just staying low 2016-10-20T16:46:50 < dongs> right 2016-10-20T16:46:56 < zyp> it needs to stay low, staying high would be bad? 2016-10-20T16:47:01 < zyp> or is either ok? 2016-10-20T16:47:01 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-20T16:47:05 < dongs> staying low 2016-10-20T16:47:10 < zyp> ok 2016-10-20T16:47:10 < dongs> i think that was one of hte reasons I used bdtr 2016-10-20T16:47:17 < zyp> do you need to sync at the edges? 2016-10-20T16:47:28 < dongs> changing CCr or whatever left it sometimes on sometimes off 2016-10-20T16:47:37 < dongs> no, BDTR cuts it right in the midle of hte edge 2016-10-20T16:47:44 < dongs> sync would be ok just for being clean but doesnt amtter 2016-10-20T16:48:19 < dongs> what do y ou have in mind? masterslave? 2016-10-20T16:48:52 < dongs> the only issues I can see is when TRGO or wahtever goes high/low, counting starts, butthe timer is not auto-reset 2016-10-20T16:49:12 < zyp> I'm looking at the different options 2016-10-20T16:52:42 < zyp> hmm, it'll have to be gated mode, I guess 2016-10-20T16:55:19 < zyp> with gated mode, timer will stop when the master TRGO goes low 2016-10-20T16:55:31 < dongs> right 2016-10-20T16:55:36 < dongs> but PWM outputs will be whatever it stopped at 2016-10-20T16:55:40 < zyp> so if you can keep the timer in sync so it always stops while pwm is low, that should be fine 2016-10-20T16:55:40 < dongs> high or low 2016-10-20T16:55:43 < zyp> yeah 2016-10-20T16:55:53 < zyp> but I mean, they're both running on a fraction of sysclk 2016-10-20T16:56:33 < zyp> so if master period is a multiple of slave period, slave should always stop in the same phase 2016-10-20T16:56:46 < dongs> yea they're not quite tho 2016-10-20T16:57:27 < dongs> neh 2016-10-20T16:57:29 < dongs> meh 2016-10-20T16:58:31 < zyp> well, or you could go back to DMA and do it the super ghetto way 2016-10-20T16:58:52 < dongs> its like... 2016-10-20T16:59:20 < zyp> use DMA1 triggered by TIM5 or whatever like you planned, but instead of writing TIM1_BDCR, write value to a buffer somewhere 2016-10-20T16:59:33 < dongs> hmm? 2016-10-20T16:59:40 < zyp> then use DMA2 to read that buffer and copy it to TIM1_BDCR 2016-10-20T16:59:45 < dongs> .. lol 2016-10-20T17:00:13 < zyp> if you trigger DMA2 from TIM1_UP, it'll make it always cut the pulse at an edge, not in the middle 2016-10-20T17:00:23 < dongs> but the buffer wuld need to be huge 2016-10-20T17:00:34 < dongs> i might as well make it manually wihtout even wasting time with tim5 2016-10-20T17:00:48 < dongs> cuz tim1 runs at 40khz or whatever 2016-10-20T17:01:05 < dongs> tim1_up would be short, dma would run out of bits 2016-10-20T17:01:09 < dongs> (if made at 1.8khz) 2016-10-20T17:01:18 < zyp> what? 2016-10-20T17:01:24 < dongs> < zyp> use DMA1 triggered by TIM5 or whatever like you planned, but instead of writing TIM1_BDCR, write value to a buffer somewhere 2016-10-20T17:01:27 < dongs> this 2016-10-20T17:01:28 < dongs> whats hte point? 2016-10-20T17:01:34 < zyp> single element buffer, turn increment off 2016-10-20T17:01:48 < dongs> but DMA2 is clocked by TIM1 at 40khz 2016-10-20T17:01:55 < zyp> yes 2016-10-20T17:02:13 < dongs> the onyl buffer it can take is one thats matching clocks == uint16s in buffer 2016-10-20T17:02:48 < zyp> it'll copy the same value from the buffer 20 times, and then DMA1 changes the contents of that buffer and DMA2 goes and copies the new value 20 times 2016-10-20T17:02:54 < dongs> oh 2016-10-20T17:03:08 < dongs> hmmmmmmmmm! 2016-10-20T17:03:49 < zyp> there's only one problem with that approach; DMA1 can still only access APB1 with it's P-port, so the buffer needs to be on APB1, so you can't just use a random ram addr 2016-10-20T17:03:50 < dongs> that sounds pretty legit 2016-10-20T17:03:58 < dongs> err really 2016-10-20T17:04:18 < zyp> I'd just use the register for one of the unused channels on TIM5 or something 2016-10-20T17:04:32 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T17:04:39 < zyp> since you won't be using that timer for anything other than trigging DMA anyway 2016-10-20T17:06:52 < dongs> ok so. TIM5 DMA's bitstream into TIM5->uselessshit; TIM1 is setup with DMA as well, to copy TIM5->uselessshit to TIm1->BDTR; 2016-10-20T17:07:16 < dongs> whats TIm1 DMA type? peripheral to peripheral? 2016-10-20T17:07:22 < dongs> is tehre even such a thing 2016-10-20T17:08:21 < zyp> no 2016-10-20T17:08:23 < dongs> or i can try winging it with memory2memory 2016-10-20T17:08:33 < dongs> or..memory2peripheral ig uess 2016-10-20T17:08:34 < zyp> there's no such thing as memory to memory either 2016-10-20T17:08:38 < dongs> yea thereis? 2016-10-20T17:08:49 < dongs> i've used it to memsety 2016-10-20T17:08:51 < zyp> it doesn't count :p 2016-10-20T17:08:51 < dongs> -y 2016-10-20T17:09:11 < zyp> M2M just disables trigger, it's still copying between MADDR and PADDR 2016-10-20T17:09:23 < jpa-> dongs: maybe just use TIMx to DMA into GPIO mode register to enable/disable its mapping to TIM1 channel :) 2016-10-20T17:09:31 < dongs> haha 2016-10-20T17:09:34 < jpa-> if DMA1 can write to GPIO mode reg, i think it can 2016-10-20T17:09:43 < zyp> nah, GPIO is on AHB 2016-10-20T17:10:52 < zyp> dongs, so anyway, you'd do DMA1 M2P from memory to TIM5->uselessshit and DMA2 M2P from TIM5->uselesshit to TIM1_BDTR 2016-10-20T17:11:09 < dongs> ok haha. 2016-10-20T17:11:11 < dongs> lemem try setting this up 2016-10-20T17:11:15 < dongs> just for hte lulz. 2016-10-20T17:12:06 < zyp> DMA1 would have MINC but not PINC, DMA2 would neither have MINC nor PINC 2016-10-20T17:12:13 < dongs> right 2016-10-20T17:12:32 < jpa-> did TIM1->RCR scale dma request rate also? maybe you could use that to get TIM1 DMA only every N cycles of the 36kHz signal 2016-10-20T17:13:04 < dongs> ooOOO 2016-10-20T17:13:25 < dongs> that looks interesting 2016-10-20T17:13:27 < jpa-> zyp: ah yeah.. stm32f4 DMA1 was crazy stupid like that.. and DMA2 is pretty much fail also with the erratas 2016-10-20T17:13:40 < zyp> https://freshasfuck.net/2016/10/19/manufacturers-from-china-are-now-stealing-kickstarter-ideas-and-launching-them-faster/ 2016-10-20T17:13:48 < dongs> zyp, seen and lol'd 24h ago 2016-10-20T17:13:49 < dongs> hilarious 2016-10-20T17:13:51 < jpa-> i think i'll be mostly using F7 for new stuff now, it even does CCM DMA 2016-10-20T17:14:57 < zyp> sounds overkill 2016-10-20T17:15:08 < karlp> do you really reckon china got it made and on ali within a week? 2016-10-20T17:15:35 < dongs> karlp: no, the dumb jew bought from aliexpress and blamed china 2016-10-20T17:15:36 < jpa-> could be either stolen photos and not actually made yet, or got stolen a lot earlier 2016-10-20T17:15:50 < jpa-> or that 2016-10-20T17:15:53 < zyp> or just somebody with same idea 2016-10-20T17:16:27 < zyp> how's F7 price btw? 2016-10-20T17:16:34 < dongs> awful 2016-10-20T17:16:41 < zyp> and how's F7 price if you exclude the parts with M7 r0p1? :p 2016-10-20T17:16:46 < gxti> no empathy for someone making selfie sticks 2016-10-20T17:16:55 < dongs> also like s mallest package is 100lqfp 2016-10-20T17:16:56 < dongs> i think 2016-10-20T17:17:10 < zyp> that's not any bigger than F407 2016-10-20T17:17:28 < zyp> you need to go F405 or lower to get smaller 2016-10-20T17:17:54 < zyp> hmm 2016-10-20T17:18:25 < zyp> dongs, so what's the cheapest part nowadays in the F4 range? 2016-10-20T17:18:37 < dongs> f401rX 2016-10-20T17:18:41 < dongs> is like <= 3$ 2016-10-20T17:18:44 < zyp> cheaper than F405? 2016-10-20T17:18:46 < dongs> yes 2016-10-20T17:18:48 < zyp> oh 2016-10-20T17:19:05 < zyp> hmm, doesn't have CAN 2016-10-20T17:19:07 < dongs> nope 2016-10-20T17:19:09 < dongs> 401 is very basic 2016-10-20T17:19:12 < dongs> which is why its cheap 2016-10-20T17:19:18 -!- Rajko [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-246.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T17:19:44 < zyp> okay, what I'm really asking is what's the cheapest part that can do USB and CAN simultaneously 2016-10-20T17:19:54 < zyp> which I believe used to be F405 2016-10-20T17:20:39 < dongs> i have 405 ordered somewhere but i cant find paperwork about it 2016-10-20T17:20:44 < dongs> i think it was around 4-5 2016-10-20T17:20:52 < zyp> what about F412? 2016-10-20T17:20:58 < dongs> didnt check 2016-10-20T17:21:07 < dongs> can do tomrorow 2016-10-20T17:21:32 < zyp> hmm, F412 looks neat, can do qspi and shit 2016-10-20T17:22:34 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-20T17:22:52 < karlp> F410 is the L series replacement target isn't it 2016-10-20T17:22:52 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-246.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-20T17:23:18 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T17:23:22 < dongs> this 401 thing was originall supposed to be L15x 2016-10-20T17:23:29 < dongs> but ST told to not use L1 for anythign 2016-10-20T17:23:56 < zyp> haha 2016-10-20T17:24:14 < zyp> how/why? 2016-10-20T17:24:15 < karlp> F410 is lower power than F401 2016-10-20T17:24:28 < dongs> karlp: even lower? wat, 401 is already like super low 2016-10-20T17:24:32 < karlp> well, L1 had a bunch of errata, but I thought it was all fixedi nthe ...A suffix parts 2016-10-20T17:24:39 < dongs> zyp: ST rep when asking for price quotes/ordering 1k 2016-10-20T17:24:42 < zyp> ah 2016-10-20T17:25:10 < karlp> so, it's NRND, but they won't admit it yet, beuca sethey "promised" that everything was going to be long life 2016-10-20T17:27:05 < zyp> hmm, F412 got more memory than F405 2016-10-20T17:27:40 < zyp> qfn48, qfp64 and larger 2016-10-20T17:28:18 < dongs> ok garbage out of hte way time to try DMAdongs 2016-10-20T17:28:52 < dongs> should I try RCR first? heh 2016-10-20T17:29:14 < dongs> actualyl that wont work really cuz carreir is not multiple of other shit 2016-10-20T17:29:16 < dongs> gonna try zyps stuff first. 2016-10-20T17:32:56 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T17:33:41 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T17:34:43 < dongs> hmm, can i just write to TIM5->BDTR even tho it doesnt exist 2016-10-20T17:34:51 < dongs> it should just take the values yea? 2016-10-20T17:35:00 * dongs tries in debugger 2016-10-20T17:35:46 < zyp> probably it'll just ignore the values 2016-10-20T17:36:11 < dongs> hmm what teh shit 2016-10-20T17:36:13 < dongs> its not in syustem viewer 2016-10-20T17:36:14 < dongs> for TIm5 2016-10-20T17:36:19 < dongs> even tho its in TIM_Typeef 2016-10-20T17:36:21 < dongs> typedef 2016-10-20T17:36:36 < zyp> well, if it doesn't exist, it shouldn't be listed in the SVD 2016-10-20T17:36:52 < zyp> but TIM_Typedef is used for all timers 2016-10-20T17:37:00 < dongs> ~bah 2016-10-20T17:37:00 < zyp> so that makes sense 2016-10-20T17:37:02 < dongs> cant write to it 2016-10-20T17:37:06 < dongs> just turns to zeros. 2016-10-20T17:37:28 < zyp> yeah, there's no register bits hooked up to store state, since nothing reads them 2016-10-20T17:37:31 < dongs> CCCRs are 32bit 2016-10-20T17:38:12 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T17:38:25 < dongs> i guess i try writing to CCR with halfword write? 2016-10-20T17:39:00 < dongs> what's DCR 2016-10-20T17:39:20 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.161.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-20T17:39:24 < dongs> oh DMA control register 2016-10-20T17:39:27 < dongs> i probly dont wanna dma into that 2016-10-20T17:40:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.150.181] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T17:41:46 < dongs> eh it dosnt have to be TIM5 right 2016-10-20T17:41:51 < dongs> i mean i can just power up TIM2 2016-10-20T17:41:56 < zyp> sure 2016-10-20T17:41:56 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.60.235] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T17:41:58 < dongs> and write crap to like CNT or somethign 2016-10-20T17:42:11 < dongs> except .. that actually uses more power 2016-10-20T17:42:12 < dongs> hmm 2016-10-20T17:42:24 < dongs> fuckit, will do as proof of concept then just fuck back off to busywait on irq :) 2016-10-20T17:42:29 < zyp> why would TIM2_CNT be better than TIM5_CH4? 2016-10-20T17:42:39 < dongs> CR4 is 32bit 2016-10-20T17:42:48 < dongs> i donno if it would workw 2016-10-20T17:43:00 < dongs> o wait cnt is 32bi too 2016-10-20T17:43:04 < zyp> do you need 32bit? 2016-10-20T17:43:07 < dongs> no 2016-10-20T17:43:13 < dongs> but i can only use tim2/5 2016-10-20T17:43:19 < dongs> .. and they're 32bit on this shit i guess 2016-10-20T17:43:22 < zyp> doesn't matter 2016-10-20T17:43:39 < zyp> just do a 16 bit transfer, DMA will ignore whatever is in upper bits 2016-10-20T17:43:44 < dongs> yeah k 2016-10-20T17:46:17 < dongs> er but for my TIM1 DMA i need to know the 'size' of DMA? in number of 40khz pulses 2016-10-20T17:46:28 < dongs> or i just set it to ffff and fuckit 2016-10-20T17:47:03 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.60.235] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-20T17:47:21 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T17:48:39 < karlp> yar, seen some examples of doing ffff length transfers with dma, and just turning it off manually hwen you're actually finished 2016-10-20T17:49:28 < zyp> dongs, just set it to circular mode 2016-10-20T17:49:36 < dongs> and buffer size 1? 2016-10-20T17:49:41 < zyp> length doesn't matter since neither is incrementing 2016-10-20T17:49:46 < dongs> o 2016-10-20T17:51:27 < dongs> k lets see 2016-10-20T17:51:32 < dongs> this is gonna either be horribly bad or horribly good 2016-10-20T17:52:15 < dongs> something workd 2016-10-20T17:53:10 < dongs> i see bits and carrier 2016-10-20T17:53:32 < dongs> and stopping correctly 2016-10-20T17:53:36 < dongs> but not stopping at the end, lets see 2016-10-20T17:56:30 < dongs> how do i even stop circular DMA 2016-10-20T17:56:59 < zyp> just make sure the transfer buffer always ends with a 0, i.e. carrier disabled 2016-10-20T17:57:04 < zyp> or something 2016-10-20T17:57:04 < dongs> oo shit 2016-10-20T17:57:04 -!- sterna [~Adium@94.234.35.228] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T17:57:05 < dongs> it worked 2016-10-20T17:57:17 < dongs> i had to clear TCIF flag or wahtever 2016-10-20T17:57:28 < dongs> hm no 2016-10-20T17:57:43 < dongs> zyp: yeah i did that 2016-10-20T17:58:03 < zyp> then it should work even if you leave shit running 2016-10-20T17:58:11 < zyp> then just restart first dma job when you got more to send 2016-10-20T17:58:19 < dongs> right, all taht is already setup 2016-10-20T17:58:24 < dongs> its not stopping carrier tho, looking why 2016-10-20T17:58:39 < dongs> anyway off is zero anyhow 2016-10-20T17:58:42 < Laurenceb_> carrier? what peripheral is this? 2016-10-20T17:58:47 < dongs> and buffer is much bigger 2016-10-20T17:58:52 < dongs> so its all zerod anyway 2016-10-20T17:59:02 < dongs> Laurenceb_: GhettoIRTIM 2016-10-20T17:59:04 < zyp> Laurenceb_, he's doing IRTIM without IRTIM 2016-10-20T17:59:12 < Laurenceb_> ah 2016-10-20T18:00:00 < BenderTheMan> How do you guys navigate trough these STM documentation files... they are all en.DM00xxxx.pdf :S And Google search doesn't always give you what you are looking for :) 2016-10-20T18:00:11 < Laurenceb_> ST site can help 2016-10-20T18:00:17 < Laurenceb_> but its a massive pita 2016-10-20T18:00:28 < karlp> save them all and rename locally. 2016-10-20T18:00:31 < Laurenceb_> heh 2016-10-20T18:00:41 < karlp> there's normally only two you're interested in at anyone time, the RM and the datasheet 2016-10-20T18:00:56 < dongs> BenderTheMan: i rename and keep dumbfilename at the end 2016-10-20T18:01:12 < BenderTheMan> That's what I started to do but still... it's a mess. :) 2016-10-20T18:01:16 < BenderTheMan> But I like it :D 2016-10-20T18:01:37 < BenderTheMan> Right now I'm trying to find how to make external interrupt on PIN PA0 and also use it to wake up micro from sleep mode... 2016-10-20T18:01:55 < dongs> two are different things 2016-10-20T18:02:12 < dongs> PWR_WakeUpPinCmd() to enable wake up on PA0 2016-10-20T18:02:24 < dongs> and PA0 exti is just that, nothign special 2016-10-20T18:02:41 < BenderTheMan> Sweet, I'll try it right now. :) 2016-10-20T18:03:11 < dongs> zyp: well, fixed it by doing TIM1->BDTR = 0 on exit from DMA but hm 2016-10-20T18:03:14 < dongs> i wonder whyt it keeps going.. 2016-10-20T18:03:40 < dongs> testing somethin 2016-10-20T18:04:06 < dongs> k yea my buffer counter was one off. 2016-10-20T18:04:08 < dongs> works perfect. 2016-10-20T18:04:14 < dongs> nice troll. 2016-10-20T18:05:07 < Laurenceb_> dongs is making zano clone amirite 2016-10-20T18:08:21 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-20T18:10:59 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-20T18:13:56 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T18:14:06 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-20T18:18:24 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-20T18:29:51 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T18:52:02 -!- Tectu_ [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-20T18:55:54 -!- sterna [~Adium@94.234.35.228] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-20T19:07:07 < dongs> hmm 2016-10-20T19:08:54 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-20T19:09:11 < kakimir> hello sexuals 2016-10-20T19:16:59 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.250.239] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T19:17:21 < Steffanx> Time to become more original kakimir 2016-10-20T19:24:58 < kakimir> time to go full awkward 2016-10-20T19:33:27 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.150.181] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-20T19:33:36 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.150.181] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T19:35:55 < Steffanx> Then you would have to show some naked pics while you say that. 2016-10-20T19:37:31 < Fleck> please don't kakimir, too many lunatics here already... 2016-10-20T19:38:49 < kakimir> can there be any sense to all these caps? 2016-10-20T19:38:56 < kakimir> there is X cap there is Y caps 2016-10-20T19:39:01 < kakimir> there is numbers 2016-10-20T19:39:14 < kakimir> X1 X2 Y1 Y2 and so on 2016-10-20T19:39:23 < Steffanx> You're part of it Fleck. 2016-10-20T19:39:34 < kakimir> X3 Y3 2016-10-20T19:39:35 < Fleck> nope 2016-10-20T19:39:44 < Fleck> I am in it, not of it :D 2016-10-20T19:40:00 < kakimir> there is safety caps, healing caps and pulse caps and generic caps and and... 2016-10-20T19:40:27 < Steffanx> You're here, so you're part of it Fleck. 2016-10-20T19:40:39 < kakimir> ac caps, suppression film capacitors 2016-10-20T19:40:59 < kakimir> *general caps 2016-10-20T19:41:16 < Steffanx> caps lock. 2016-10-20T19:41:28 < kakimir> there is MICA capacitors 2016-10-20T19:42:05 < Fleck> Steffanx: I reject your reality and substitute my own! :P 2016-10-20T19:42:12 < kakimir> and then doing like mains stuff you should use certain types per some standards 2016-10-20T19:44:15 < kakimir> and there is just one guy on this channel that may have a clue 2016-10-20T19:44:38 < kakimir> where is guru PeterM ? 2016-10-20T19:45:29 < Steffanx> You better formulate a clear question then. 2016-10-20T19:45:36 < Fleck> ;p 2016-10-20T19:45:39 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T19:46:08 < Steffanx> Also aussies tend to be asleep around this time of the day ( for you and me ) 2016-10-20T19:47:43 < Steffanx> I gave up on that. 2016-10-20T19:47:57 < Steffanx> As its not going to change. 2016-10-20T19:49:25 < Steffanx> The vote was like 50/50 2016-10-20T19:49:33 < Steffanx> or going somewhere that way. 2016-10-20T19:49:35 < kakimir> I need rule of thumb what to use with snubber circuits 2016-10-20T19:49:55 < kakimir> what to use for x and y resistors 2016-10-20T19:50:02 < kakimir> in mains filter 2016-10-20T19:50:05 < Steffanx> Yes we had a vote to stop the crap a while ago, whick also stop very quickly because the voting system was not fool proof 2016-10-20T19:51:10 < Steffanx> Trump would have been right when he would have complained it was rigged. 2016-10-20T19:52:34 < kakimir> go Trump 2016-10-20T19:52:39 < Steffanx> englishman if one would ban all crap from no on.. ##stm32 would be dead anyway. 2016-10-20T19:53:59 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T19:54:01 < Fleck> thats a lie! :P 2016-10-20T19:56:01 < kakimir> you only need to ban laurenceb links 2016-10-20T19:56:25 < Steffanx> and dongs/r2com being arseholes etc.? 2016-10-20T19:57:15 < kakimir> and autisms 2016-10-20T19:58:14 < Steffanx> No, that's just some made up crap by those a*holes. 2016-10-20T19:58:23 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-20T19:59:05 < kakimir> why you take it so personally? 2016-10-20T19:59:32 < Steffanx> I don't take it personally. 2016-10-20T19:59:47 < dongs> i think there's a few people who make it very non-stm32 2016-10-20T19:59:49 < dongs> quite often 2016-10-20T19:59:59 < Steffanx> Yes. Hi dongs. 2016-10-20T20:00:10 -!- sterna [~Adium@62.109.35.184] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T20:01:57 < Steffanx> Actually, not just a few. 2016-10-20T20:02:08 < Steffanx> like 75% of the active people. so... 2016-10-20T20:03:55 < dongs> hey i had an evening of advanced STM32 discussion today 2016-10-20T20:04:11 < dongs> im not sure i like the result tho 2016-10-20T20:04:12 < Steffanx> I'm proud of you :) 2016-10-20T20:04:15 < dongs> zyp, the timing seems to be jumping 2016-10-20T20:04:30 < dongs> like,, its missing a full pulse of carrier freq sometimes. 2016-10-20T20:04:47 < dongs> even my busywait thing is more repeatable 2016-10-20T20:05:43 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T20:07:32 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/lib3zR83.html current blogcode 2016-10-20T20:08:05 -!- sterna [~Adium@62.109.35.184] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-20T20:14:05 < kisielk> has anyone used https://github.com/hackndev/zinc yet? 2016-10-20T20:15:25 < zyp> dongs, yes, with DMA2 triggered from TIM1 it'll only update when triggered 2016-10-20T20:15:46 < zyp> you could put it in M2M mode to respond faster :p 2016-10-20T20:16:06 < dongs> 'when triggered' you mean at every edge of 40khz carrier right? 2016-10-20T20:16:08 < dongs> why would it miss tho 2016-10-20T20:16:14 < zyp> miss? 2016-10-20T20:16:29 < dongs> like 2016-10-20T20:16:34 < dongs> last rise/fall is missing 2016-10-20T20:16:36 < dongs> sometimes. 2016-10-20T20:16:59 < dongs> i would imagine if this is all hardware based (and no other hsit happening) all the pulses should be identical, no? 2016-10-20T20:17:19 < zyp> you said freqs aren't matching, right? 2016-10-20T20:17:24 < dongs> sure 2016-10-20T20:17:42 < zyp> so when you're rounding to nearest whole period, you're getting some rounding error 2016-10-20T20:18:09 < zyp> which means it'll be up to half a period off in either end, which means you can get a period too little or too much 2016-10-20T20:18:17 < kakimir> what is that kisielk ? 2016-10-20T20:18:26 < zyp> dongs, is that a problem? 2016-10-20T20:18:28 < kakimir> what is rust? 2016-10-20T20:18:28 < dongs> http://imgur.com/a/2rkQ4 2016-10-20T20:18:39 < dongs> 39/41 edges 2016-10-20T20:18:52 < zyp> oh 2016-10-20T20:18:59 < zyp> ok, that's something else 2016-10-20T20:19:01 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T20:19:17 < zyp> I bet you fucked up dma size settings so it's inserting zero writes or some shit 2016-10-20T20:19:26 < dongs> where? 2016-10-20T20:19:36 < dongs> the circular DMA is size=1 2016-10-20T20:19:45 < dongs> on/off is done by slow dma 2016-10-20T20:19:52 < dongs> that one is correct to end of buffer 2016-10-20T20:20:14 < zyp> bit sizes 2016-10-20T20:20:48 < dongs> no, in this thing, 2016-10-20T20:20:56 < dongs> 1 = pulse/space, 1 = pulse/2spaces 2016-10-20T20:21:06 < zyp> hmm, wait, disregard, I'm dumb 2016-10-20T20:21:08 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.150.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-20T20:21:08 < dongs> so my DMA buffer just has 8000, 0, 8000, 0, 0, xx etc 2016-10-20T20:21:13 < dongs> thats the slowdma 2016-10-20T20:21:33 < zyp> I didn't look too closely at your pic 2016-10-20T20:21:46 < zyp> so yeah, what I said first is right 2016-10-20T20:21:49 < dongs> yeah i was only talking about the stuff gated between cursors 2016-10-20T20:21:49 < zyp> it's just rounding error 2016-10-20T20:21:56 < zyp> due to phase variation 2016-10-20T20:22:00 < zyp> between the two clocks 2016-10-20T20:22:01 < dongs> hmm 2016-10-20T20:23:42 < kisielk> kakimir: it's another programming language 2016-10-20T20:24:08 < dongs> btw memory2memroy doesnt work 2016-10-20T20:24:14 < dongs> to go from TIM5->crap to BDTR 2016-10-20T20:28:57 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T20:29:15 < dongs> err my gating was wrong, screen instead of cursors 2016-10-20T20:29:22 < qyx> nah rust 2016-10-20T20:29:23 < dongs> anyway, on one pulse only its either 21 or 22 2016-10-20T20:29:40 < dongs> ok so if my 84Mhz prescaler is 2210 - 1 2016-10-20T20:29:50 < dongs> wonder if I can pick same one for slowclock 2016-10-20T20:30:02 < dongs> er multiple ofo 2016-10-20T20:30:26 < kakimir> kisielk: why isn't accessing hardware directly safe? 2016-10-20T20:31:12 < kisielk> it's not type safe 2016-10-20T20:31:36 < kisielk> that's what they mean by that 2016-10-20T20:31:53 < kisielk> and also concurrency, etc 2016-10-20T20:34:58 < dongs> hm fuck all these dividers are fucking fractional 2016-10-20T20:37:40 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-5eea23e4-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T20:38:22 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-5eea23e4-74736162.cust.telenor.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-20T20:41:55 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T20:42:15 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-20T20:43:42 < upgrdman> hmm, if i was in the market for a new laptop this would be kinda nice http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/20/13344566/razer-blade-pro-specs-price-release-date-photos 2016-10-20T20:43:53 < upgrdman> gtx1080, 4k, etc in a laptop 2016-10-20T20:44:29 < dongs> > 17 inch 2016-10-20T20:44:30 < dongs> > laptop 2016-10-20T20:45:56 < upgrdman> ya but quad core i7 and gtx1080 2016-10-20T20:46:41 < dongs> boring 2016-10-20T20:47:22 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX-i5B08Mho check this out. i tried to make periods same (accordingto my calc) 2016-10-20T20:48:09 < upgrdman> looks like you got your periods all sync'd up 2016-10-20T20:48:10 < dongs> both timers run at 84mhz, fast period = 2222, slow period = 46700 2016-10-20T20:49:26 < dongs> wait waht hte shit, thats not exact multiple 2016-10-20T20:57:01 < ReadErr> razer makes some of the worst hardware ever 2016-10-20T21:00:27 < dongs> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i donno if this is just period mismatch 2016-10-20T21:02:44 < dongs> zyp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywOBPIVWy5Q 2016-10-20T21:03:01 < dongs> notice how long bar (thats supposed to be 16 slowpulses) is losing clocks 2016-10-20T21:03:35 < dongs> 336->316 edges 2016-10-20T21:03:39 < dongs> is the range 2016-10-20T21:12:36 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2603:3023:50a:4600:50e5:243c:1a7e:8e9b] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T21:27:09 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T21:39:29 < qyx> Laurenceb: you microsd loggers.. do you disconnect the card power supply during idle? 2016-10-20T21:39:33 < qyx> *your 2016-10-20T21:40:00 < upgrdman> ReadErr, how so? like their craptops break easily? 2016-10-20T21:40:14 < ReadErr> upgrdman: ive never owned a good piece of razer hardware 2016-10-20T21:40:18 < ReadErr> maybe im biased 2016-10-20T21:40:26 < ReadErr> even mice and shit have died super fast 2016-10-20T21:40:27 < upgrdman> ok 2016-10-20T21:40:47 < ReadErr> where as, my macbook is almost 6 years old 2016-10-20T21:40:47 < upgrdman> how did yours die? stop working? physically fall apart? intermittent? 2016-10-20T21:40:52 < ReadErr> yea just shit out 2016-10-20T21:44:47 < upgrdman> im not in the market for it right now, but i'd love to see something like a big Surface Pro. maybe 15" or 17". the whole detachable keyboard / dock / dickstand thing is awesome 2016-10-20T21:45:22 < sync> it would not work in 17" 2016-10-20T21:45:32 < sync> also > 17" tablet 2016-10-20T21:45:45 < upgrdman> why wouldnt it work in 17 2016-10-20T21:46:13 < upgrdman> i can see employees loving a 17" surface. full on workstation that you can take to meetings / out in the field / etc 2016-10-20T21:47:24 < Steffanx> and "in the field" you need to hands to hold it so you need speech to text to do stuff 2016-10-20T21:47:35 < Steffanx> i read microsoft is doing a great deal with that though 2016-10-20T21:49:23 < Steffanx> *two 2016-10-20T21:54:56 < upgrdman> no need to hold the Surface to use it 2016-10-20T21:55:00 < upgrdman> that's what the dickstand is for 2016-10-20T21:55:31 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.136.105] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T21:55:43 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2016-10-20T21:56:39 < upgrdman> anyway, im pretty happy with my surface pro 4. makes for an easy 3-monitor setup too http://imgur.com/a/jAfEp 2016-10-20T21:58:13 < Steffanx> lol that censoring 2016-10-20T21:58:25 < upgrdman> i knew you'd like it 2016-10-20T21:59:00 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: But sharpie'ing the lens... come on 2016-10-20T21:59:35 < Steffanx> this is your desk at work upgrdman? Its waay to clean 2016-10-20T21:59:52 < upgrdman> its the clean side of my work desk 2016-10-20T22:00:10 < upgrdman> to the left is a nearly-rats-nest of test boards and wired up for fuckery 2016-10-20T22:03:06 < upgrdman> and its super nice to just unplug that magnetic dock connector, take my Surface and read PDFs while sitting on the couch at work 2016-10-20T22:05:32 < Fleck> and sleep while listening to music on couch at work :D 2016-10-20T22:05:44 < Steffanx> would love htat sometimes. 2016-10-20T22:05:46 < upgrdman> that's also good 2016-10-20T22:13:52 < kakimir> https://i.stack.imgur.com/wTKq6.jpg 70's moment 2016-10-20T22:21:10 < LeelooMinai> French in Space 2016-10-20T22:28:55 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.250.239] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-20T22:30:18 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2016-10-20T22:40:46 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.136.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-20T22:42:52 < upgrdman> englishman, hmm ok 2016-10-20T23:06:03 < kisielk> STM32H7, now we're cooking with fire 2016-10-20T23:06:39 < LeelooMinai> 400MHz? :) 2016-10-20T23:06:44 < kisielk> yep 2016-10-20T23:07:05 < LeelooMinai> Right, I noticed that one yesterday. Seems some more will come next year. 2016-10-20T23:07:48 < kisielk> seems pretty cool, you can power the peripherals independently of the CPU too, so could be good for lower power applications 2016-10-20T23:08:32 < kisielk> if it's pin-compatible with the F7, it means I should be able to use the same board we've designed now and get double the performance :) 2016-10-20T23:08:42 < LeelooMinai> Well, kind of possibly, but it has much higher μA/MHz than L series of course. 2016-10-20T23:09:10 < LeelooMinai> But maybe if you are processing in short bursts and sleep, can be still ok. 2016-10-20T23:11:55 < zyp> dongs, huh, looks funky 2016-10-20T23:13:09 < zyp> not sure what's causing that, but I still suspect it's some kind of phase/rounding issue 2016-10-20T23:14:01 < upgrdman> hmm wonder if the stm32h7 would be usable for like embedded lunix 2016-10-20T23:14:21 < upgrdman> kinda wanted to make a single-board-pc, just for fun. and make the pcb VESA mountable 2016-10-20T23:14:24 < karlp> is the H out finally? 2016-10-20T23:14:35 < upgrdman> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/about/media-center/press-item.html/p3878.html 2016-10-20T23:14:40 < upgrdman> press release from today 2016-10-20T23:14:49 < karlp> yeah, I posted some internal shit here a few months ago 2016-10-20T23:14:54 < ds2> what core is on the H? 2016-10-20T23:15:03 < karlp> should dig it up again and compare what finalyl made it 2016-10-20T23:15:08 < upgrdman> ds2, The first device in the new series is the STM32H743, which features the ARM® Cortex®-M7 core running at 400MHz. 2016-10-20T23:15:16 < ds2> oh no MMU 2016-10-20T23:15:23 < LeelooMinai> 280uA/MHz is a lot, L4 can do 84... 2016-10-20T23:15:31 < ds2> what kind of memory controller? same old FSMC? 2016-10-20T23:15:42 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.250.239] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T23:15:45 < upgrdman> The first device in the new series, the STM32H743, draws on a pool of 35 communication peripherals that support advanced protocols and standards such as CAN FD, SDCARD (4.1), SDIO (4.0), and MMC (5.0). There are also 11 enhanced analog functions including low-power 14-bit ADCs running at up to 2Msample/s, 12-bit DACs and op-amps, as well as 22 timers, which include a high-resolution timer running at 400MHz. 2016-10-20T23:16:34 < upgrdman> wonder if it can drive HDMI or DP 2016-10-20T23:16:52 < LeelooMinai> I already imagine 2000 pages reference doc:) 2016-10-20T23:17:36 < ds2> the memory is going to be essential for Linux 2016-10-20T23:17:40 < upgrdman> ...a TFT-LCD controller, a JPEG codec, ... so no hdmi then i guess :( 2016-10-20T23:20:14 < LeelooMinai> lol http://i.imgur.com/zIXDOFS.png 2016-10-20T23:21:29 < LeelooMinai> That's becoming a bit absurd 2016-10-20T23:21:47 < kisielk> ds2: I thought F7 had an MMU type thing 2016-10-20T23:21:58 < Thorn> >microcontrollers 2016-10-20T23:22:02 < Thorn> are you sure about that 2016-10-20T23:22:15 < kisielk> upgrdman: there's HDMI ? 2016-10-20T23:22:26 < Steffanx> CEC 2016-10-20T23:22:27 < upgrdman> only hdmi-cec 2016-10-20T23:22:39 < kisielk> ahh 2016-10-20T23:22:43 < ds2> M's usually only have a MPU not a full MMU (but I could be wrong) 2016-10-20T23:22:47 < upgrdman> does stm do any cortex a-series? 2016-10-20T23:23:01 < LeelooMinai> Then mosters like this are used and 10% of the actual peripherals are used - they need to find some way of modularizing those or something. 2016-10-20T23:23:04 < Steffanx> Nein. 2016-10-20T23:23:21 < kisielk> LeelooMinai: it's probably cheaper to just throw it all on one core heh 2016-10-20T23:23:40 < upgrdman> its not like IP for an SPI periph takes a shitload of silicon 2016-10-20T23:23:42 < LeelooMinai> But what a waste of die space:) 2016-10-20T23:24:10 < upgrdman> the SRAM and Flash take up die space. most periphs are prolly a tiny fraction of the silicon 2016-10-20T23:24:11 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but they now have things like JPEG codecs, etc. 2016-10-20T23:24:21 < Thorn> how much SRAM can you fit instead of 4 USARTS or SPI cores? 2016-10-20T23:24:41 < upgrdman> well how else are you going to render TubGirl to and LCD without that JPEG codec, leeloo? 2016-10-20T23:24:53 < LeelooMinai> Tub-what? 2016-10-20T23:25:08 < ds2> ST had a A series at one point... donno if they still do 2016-10-20T23:25:46 < upgrdman> Thorn, my crude but function verilog code for UART and for SPI take up <100 lines of code. of course full-featured ones will be more complex, but those protocols are not a big deal 2016-10-20T23:25:57 < sync> who cares LeelooMinai? they tape out once and then #yolo 2016-10-20T23:26:30 < sync> Thorn: probably like 1k at best if even 2016-10-20T23:26:43 < sync> sram is hueg in comparison 2016-10-20T23:27:10 < Thorn> well their uarts and so on have a lot of optional modes that nobody uses 2016-10-20T23:27:23 < sync> never say nobody 2016-10-20T23:27:44 < LeelooMinai> I don't know... maybe there should be some FPGA-like area instead... 2016-10-20T23:28:10 < Thorn> they regularly end up in errata so someone at least tried lol 2016-10-20T23:28:44 < LeelooMinai> The advantage would be that you could put any device there if you wanted, not only those pre-cooked:) 2016-10-20T23:29:40 < Thorn> afaik fpga means ~10x more area than similar hard IP 2016-10-20T23:29:49 < LeelooMinai> I don't know... I wonder if this will continue and in the future micros will have like 100s of peripherals built in because who cares.. 2016-10-20T23:30:05 < kisielk> maybe once they're in the 100's they'll go the FPGA route 2016-10-20T23:30:17 < kisielk> since you probably only need 1/10th of the peripherals :) 2016-10-20T23:30:52 < BrainDamage> cost is generally the factor, the fpga should cost as much as the stuff it replaces 2016-10-20T23:31:00 < BrainDamage> nobody wants an expensive micro 2016-10-20T23:31:18 < LeelooMinai> I wonder then how much this H will be. 2016-10-20T23:31:24 < ds2> I have gotten Linux on a F1 with the FSMC but you are limited in memory capacity available 2016-10-20T23:31:30 < upgrdman> $8 for 10,000 2016-10-20T23:31:31 < ds2> DDR would be nice 2016-10-20T23:31:31 < upgrdman> leeloo 2016-10-20T23:31:45 < upgrdman> well 8-something each 2016-10-20T23:31:47 < LeelooMinai> $8 for 10k, so for 10? 2016-10-20T23:31:48 < ds2> fpga is power expensive 2016-10-20T23:31:55 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, maybe $30? 2016-10-20T23:32:12 < upgrdman> R2COM, what do you think of the tesla model 3. 2016-10-20T23:32:14 < upgrdman> im kinda tempted 2016-10-20T23:32:17 < LeelooMinai> ds2: Well, there are better at low power FPGAs now - see Lattice for example - small ones are even used on smartphones and tablets 2016-10-20T23:32:19 < upgrdman> front looks ugly 2016-10-20T23:32:25 < upgrdman> but self-driving car... fuck yes. about time. 2016-10-20T23:32:29 < karlp> kisielk: not used zinc yet, but curious to hear your stories of how it really is :) 2016-10-20T23:32:31 < upgrdman> and price is decent 2016-10-20T23:32:43 < upgrdman> 35k before incentives 2016-10-20T23:32:51 < upgrdman> not bad to self-driving 2016-10-20T23:32:54 < upgrdman> for* 2016-10-20T23:32:58 < upgrdman> front looks gay 2016-10-20T23:33:03 < upgrdman> but other than that, im super tempted 2016-10-20T23:33:10 < kisielk> karlp: do you work for ST? 2016-10-20T23:33:26 < kisielk> (just saw your comment re: H7 earlier) 2016-10-20T23:33:43 < upgrdman> secret 2016-10-20T23:33:52 < upgrdman> just announced 2016-10-20T23:33:56 < upgrdman> they want to keep you baited 2016-10-20T23:34:18 < upgrdman> they should upholster the seats in big fucking portraits of Musk 2016-10-20T23:34:20 < upgrdman> for the lulz 2016-10-20T23:34:39 < LeelooMinai> Is that it? http://s2.photobucket.com/user/jamesinclair/media/Fresno/tesla2.jpg.html 2016-10-20T23:34:49 < upgrdman> and like if you turn off autopilot, the LCD should show a frown faced Musk 2016-10-20T23:34:53 < LeelooMinai> That's pretty... weird... 2016-10-20T23:35:10 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, no. 2016-10-20T23:35:16 < upgrdman> and yes, that tesla is ugly as fuck 2016-10-20T23:35:18 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.250.239] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-20T23:35:26 < ds2> wonder if they are giving away discovery boards for the H7 2016-10-20T23:35:37 < upgrdman> ds2, at seminars prolly 2016-10-20T23:35:44 < upgrdman> R2COM, agreed 2016-10-20T23:36:34 < LeelooMinai> 215 miles/h 2016-10-20T23:36:50 < upgrdman> R2COM, fine with me 2016-10-20T23:37:00 < upgrdman> i ~never drive more than 100 miles per day. 2016-10-20T23:37:11 < upgrdman> rarely drive more than ~10 per day 2016-10-20T23:37:40 < LeelooMinai> usb 2016-10-20T23:37:41 < upgrdman> with electricity? how the fuck else 2016-10-20T23:38:02 < upgrdman> in the hole for charging? 2016-10-20T23:38:19 < upgrdman> garage, but ya 2016-10-20T23:38:26 < upgrdman> i need to buy my house first :) 2016-10-20T23:38:36 < upgrdman> which is fine, that should be done by the time the model 3 is out 2016-10-20T23:38:43 < upgrdman> i own, but just a little condo 2016-10-20T23:39:10 < upgrdman> i need to buy my house first :) 2016-10-20T23:39:12 < upgrdman> faggot 2016-10-20T23:39:24 < upgrdman> although, i could do it at my condo 2016-10-20T23:39:42 < upgrdman> calif requires all residential areas to allow for owners to provide power to their parking spot 2016-10-20T23:39:50 < Steffanx> Charging pole in front of parking lot.. 2016-10-20T23:39:57 < upgrdman> so i could be a super dick and have a charging thing in my parking spot 2016-10-20T23:40:15 < kakimir> hello R2COM 2016-10-20T23:40:22 < upgrdman> the home owner has to pay for it, etc, but the HOA can't prevent them from doing it 2016-10-20T23:40:55 < upgrdman> but i need to buy a house in some middle class area first 2016-10-20T23:40:59 < upgrdman> long beach sucks ass 2016-10-20T23:41:02 < upgrdman> too many poor people 2016-10-20T23:41:05 < upgrdman> lazy fucking bums 2016-10-20T23:41:12 < kakimir> how is Russia and Putin going? what is up today? 2016-10-20T23:41:46 < karlp> ah, foudn it again.þ 2016-10-20T23:41:54 < karlp> in november last year, h7 was meant to be dual m7/m4 2016-10-20T23:42:14 < karlp> and only 300Mhz, targetting 400Mhz 2016-10-20T23:42:14 < Steffanx> :o 2016-10-20T23:42:29 < karlp> and they were claiming 1.3meg sram 2016-10-20T23:43:01 < kakimir> means Putin strong? 2016-10-20T23:44:07 < kakimir> cool 2016-10-20T23:44:11 < kakimir> what is next? 2016-10-20T23:45:17 < karlp> kisielk: no, I live on a tiny rock in the atlantic, just joe user like the rest of you. 2016-10-20T23:46:07 < kakimir> what implications us elections have to Russia relationship? 2016-10-20T23:46:17 < BenderTheMan> So to enter sleep mode on STM32F0 what do I need to do except PWR_EnterSleepMode(PWR_SLEEPEntry_WFE); ? 2016-10-20T23:47:10 < LeelooMinai> When one does _WFI or _WFE it should just go to sleep imo 2016-10-20T23:47:19 < LeelooMinai> And will wake up on interrupt/event 2016-10-20T23:47:56 < LeelooMinai> So, I guess you do nothing at this point (?) 2016-10-20T23:48:26 < BenderTheMan> Will it wake up on every interrupt? I just want to use PA0 as wakeup and ignore the rest :\ 2016-10-20T23:48:48 < BenderTheMan> In Datasheet it says WFE will wake up only on external wake up signal 2016-10-20T23:48:53 < LeelooMinai> BenderTheMan: You need to see the docs - they should list what will wake up the micro in what mode 2016-10-20T23:49:59 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-20T23:49:59 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-20T23:50:12 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ is now known as Mr_Sheesh 2016-10-20T23:50:14 < LeelooMinai> BenderTheMan: Datasheet? For details I would see the reference manual.. 2016-10-20T23:50:16 < BenderTheMan> Well, RM0360 page 78 says WFE -> WakeUp event only 2016-10-20T23:52:13 < LeelooMinai> Maybe look also at page 174 2016-10-20T23:55:10 < BenderTheMan> LeelooMinai: EXTI? 2016-10-20T23:55:19 < LeelooMinai> Right, external events 2016-10-20T23:55:48 < LeelooMinai> You can configure this so a changing signal on some pin will create event/interrupt 2016-10-20T23:56:22 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-20T23:57:12 < LeelooMinai> But if you want, say, to exit sleep after some time, using a timer, you would use WFI 2016-10-20T23:57:27 < LeelooMinai> That is wait for timer interrupt for example 2016-10-20T23:57:47 < LeelooMinai> Or maybe SPI, I2C, whatever 2016-10-20T23:58:03 < BenderTheMan> How can I disable all of those and have only EXTI0_1 running? 2016-10-20T23:58:29 < BenderTheMan> Because right now I'm using WFE, which should only use PA0 as WakeUp pin... or I'm getting something wrong 2016-10-20T23:59:21 < LeelooMinai> By configuring EXTI properly - depending on what HAL/library you are using. With new HAL I saw that you can do that with GPIO module - it will configure EXTI if you pass in proper mode., --- Day changed Fri Oct 21 2016 2016-10-21T00:01:14 < BenderTheMan> I'll take look into that. Right now I'm still using stdperiph 2016-10-21T00:01:14 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f775f5b.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T00:07:01 < zyp> hum, H7 got me thinking 2016-10-21T00:07:07 < zyp> they should have made a stm32 with A5 2016-10-21T00:09:21 < LeelooMinai> Meh, I would prefer someone made proper microcontroller language and some nice standardized libraries maybe - would be more exciting imo 2016-10-21T00:09:42 < karlp> yeah, makes no real sense to me. 2016-10-21T00:09:57 < LeelooMinai> Or not really made - just that somehow magically it would be supported by tools, popular, etc. 2016-10-21T00:09:59 < karlp> a5+m4 single package is way more appealing than m7 at 400mhz 2016-10-21T00:10:08 < zyp> yeah 2016-10-21T00:10:27 < zyp> I bought some freescale vybrid thing once, but I never got it to work 2016-10-21T00:10:43 < karlp> yeah? libeopcn3m has some stub for it actually :) 2016-10-21T00:10:46 < LeelooMinai> I had this thought too - let the real-time part do the real-time jobs and the system run on what is proper for it. 2016-10-21T00:10:54 < karlp> some dude used the locm3 startup stuff to get going on a vf610 2016-10-21T00:11:43 < zyp> I tried to boot the provided image thing and nothing happens, I think it's somehow defective 2016-10-21T00:11:46 < zyp> and I don't know how 2016-10-21T00:12:05 < Thorn> what royalties does arm charge for m7 vs a5? 2016-10-21T00:12:35 < karlp> maybe st should jsut use andes cores instead ;) 2016-10-21T00:12:43 < zyp> I might look at doing some A5 or similar at some point 2016-10-21T00:12:47 < zyp> like 2016-10-21T00:12:52 < LeelooMinai> What I would like is replacing each of those peripherals with some small peripheral-oriented micro-cpu that can be programmed and specialized at something like FPGA - cycle-accurate processing of data at some higher spped maybe than the main core. 2016-10-21T00:12:54 < zyp> I want something like the intel edison 2016-10-21T00:13:03 < zyp> but so far I'm finding the edison kinda annoying to work with 2016-10-21T00:13:20 < karlp> someone bought all of the zano pic32s: http://circuitmaker.com/Projects/Details/Konstantin-Dimitrov-6/ELLO-2M-MX470?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiTVRVMk9HVmxaRGd4WTJSaSIsInQiOiJSaTB1SEl4YzB5bGE4MXNvYm9jR0pnVjZXa21xSFNOWExodEV6VHRwXC9DdHpYZ1RlRzNZSHliWUV1bFVRTFBKUVpnMDZWVDJxU3B5SXJ3endBVnJoeDV3ZzlsYlhlMHBETXVIT3phZFBcL0NNPSJ9 2016-10-21T00:13:30 < karlp> zyp: heh, what a surprise 2016-10-21T00:13:33 < zyp> lack of documentation, lack of debug tools, etc 2016-10-21T00:13:37 < zyp> well 2016-10-21T00:13:47 < karlp> it was intel throwing money to say "look we can do iot as well!" 2016-10-21T00:13:56 < zyp> the annoying part is that it's fucking hard to get openembedded to work properly :p 2016-10-21T00:14:06 < karlp> and the world going.... no x86 sw works anyway on this platform, so who cares 2016-10-21T00:14:20 < LeelooMinai> I see BaSIC code... 2016-10-21T00:14:25 < zyp> because the existing stuff is a mess, and trying to work with newest openembedded core have been a hassle so far 2016-10-21T00:17:25 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2016-10-21T00:19:10 < zyp> hmm 2016-10-21T00:19:23 < zyp> karlp, you've done a bunch of stuff with embedded linux, right? 2016-10-21T00:20:48 < karlp> for some levels of "a bunch" yeah 2016-10-21T00:20:58 < karlp> far from expert though, just standing on shulders stuff 2016-10-21T00:21:11 < karlp> ds2 is probably waYYYYY more expert :) 2016-10-21T00:21:32 < karlp> I just use openwrt/lede buildroot and go with it. 2016-10-21T00:21:57 < zyp> how well does that work? 2016-10-21T00:22:23 < Steffanx> Yocto didn't look too hard either. 2016-10-21T00:22:33 < zyp> yocto is based on openembedded 2016-10-21T00:22:37 < Steffanx> yes, true but .. 2016-10-21T00:22:48 < zyp> so it's just an extra layer of stuff 2016-10-21T00:23:04 < Steffanx> but it did look pretty straight forward 2016-10-21T00:23:14 < zyp> in what sense? 2016-10-21T00:23:33 < Steffanx> it getting stuff up and running properly + configuring 2016-10-21T00:23:38 < Steffanx> *in 2016-10-21T00:24:44 < zyp> well, the part that annoys me 2016-10-21T00:25:09 < zyp> is when you have to deal with vendor forks of shit to make stuff work 2016-10-21T00:25:29 < zyp> because those forks are always unmaintained and in some state of broken 2016-10-21T00:25:46 < Steffanx> Yes, that's nice. 2016-10-21T00:25:51 < karlp> yeah, so I only use hardware that is either already in openwrt, or that I'm the one responsible for getting it into openwrt. 2016-10-21T00:26:17 < zyp> so I'm tempted to make my own SoM or something based on a SoC that's well supported in upstream 2016-10-21T00:26:34 < karlp> vendor forks are always going to be varying levels of shit, regardless of whether it's oe, or raw buildroot or whatever 2016-10-21T00:26:43 < zyp> yes 2016-10-21T00:31:02 < zyp> as far as I've understood, edison should work with upstream kernel, so I think that part is ok 2016-10-21T00:31:23 < zyp> but it needs a patched u-boot, which required some work to find a working revision 2016-10-21T00:31:27 < karlp> so then the real problem is back to, "what do I want on my Root FileSystem and what tool is going to make it" 2016-10-21T00:31:35 < karlp> it doesn't have a working uboot on it from the factory? 2016-10-21T00:31:46 < karlp> try and avoid reflashing the bootloader unless that's the game you're trying to play 2016-10-21T00:31:59 < zyp> patches doesn't work properly with newest u-boot, and older u-boot doesn't build with gcc-5 2016-10-21T00:32:07 < karlp> yeah, that's common. 2016-10-21T00:32:14 < karlp> uboot is a precious flower 2016-10-21T00:32:29 < karlp> but it's better than redboot and adam and cfe and the other shit people used 2016-10-21T00:33:22 < karlp> what is the best/cheapest size footprint for like 100uF 6-10v caps? "panasonic B" is that actually common? 2016-10-21T00:33:42 * karlp hates comparing these shits to the datasheets 2016-10-21T00:33:57 < karlp> I don't even have the caps, I want to put something down that whatever I can steal or get cheap at work will work with 2016-10-21T00:35:22 < zyp> is it a good idea to edit the u-boot env stuff without replacing the entire u-boot? 2016-10-21T00:35:46 < zyp> when you're updating some of it, might as well build and update it all, no? 2016-10-21T00:36:09 < karlp> depend what you're editing. 2016-10-21T00:36:25 < LeelooMinai> karlp: Nowadays you can get 100uF on 1206... 2016-10-21T00:36:40 < karlp> you normally really shouldn't hav eto edit much of anything in uboot env, unless you're using it to keep manufacturing ids or some shit 2016-10-21T00:36:42 < zyp> karlp, kernel options, to suit the new kernel I built 2016-10-21T00:36:46 < karlp> yeah, or that. 2016-10-21T00:36:57 < zyp> and the kernel to suit the new rootfs I built 2016-10-21T00:36:58 < zyp> and so on 2016-10-21T00:37:03 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T00:37:09 < karlp> yeah, but most of that you can bake into the kernel you build 2016-10-21T00:37:14 < zyp> might as well build everything if you're building some 2016-10-21T00:37:17 < karlp> you're not interested in sharing the kernel with other devices are you? 2016-10-21T00:37:40 < karlp> and no, you don't neeed to reflash uboot to edit env vars, that's the whole point 2016-10-21T00:37:40 < zyp> true 2016-10-21T00:37:47 < karlp> and why it's normally in it's own mtd space. 2016-10-21T00:38:01 < zyp> I didn't say you need 2016-10-21T00:38:18 < karlp> only reason to put a new uboot on is if you want to turn on new things, like adding webservers or net console or stuff 2016-10-21T00:38:24 < zyp> but you need the u-boot tree to build the env image, and when you're building the env image, why not just boot u-boot itself too? 2016-10-21T00:38:40 < karlp> oh, like that? 2016-10-21T00:38:49 < karlp> I just edit uboot env vars from the uboot prompt :) 2016-10-21T00:38:50 < zyp> and who knows what's on the device before I put my stuff on it? 2016-10-21T00:39:17 < zyp> eh, I want something that produces a reproducible image so I get the same result every time 2016-10-21T00:39:18 < karlp> manufacturing is connecting a serial port and running a script to pull images from tftp, so that script just sets vars as it wants 2016-10-21T00:39:19 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-21T00:39:32 < karlp> fair enough 2016-10-21T00:39:40 < karlp> I'm no expert and manufacturing sucks 2016-10-21T00:40:07 < zyp> I mean, setting vars at manufacturing time is fine, but I still want to control making the base for that 2016-10-21T00:41:00 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T00:45:54 < karlp> sure, so you could either reflash uboot, and build you rown stuff yeah, or just know that intel will always ship them looking like X, and just use it as it was. 2016-10-21T00:46:05 < karlp> reflashing uboot is "ultimate control" sure :) 2016-10-21T00:46:20 < karlp> I'd avoid it until you're further along and running into obscure desires though 2016-10-21T00:47:40 < zyp> I disagree 2016-10-21T00:47:50 < zyp> I want to start by having a simple compact clean base 2016-10-21T00:48:10 < zyp> starting clean is easier to clean up a mess later 2016-10-21T00:49:36 < karlp> well, have fun getting uboot built and flashed then :) 2016-10-21T00:49:49 < karlp> I'd call "clean" the stock factory "this is what we guarantee and have tested" uboot 2016-10-21T00:49:58 < karlp> not "I built uboot with nothign turned on" 2016-10-21T00:50:13 < karlp> also solves problems with patches to uboot 2016-10-21T00:50:31 < karlp> patched uboot sources are often one of the things companies like to hold and hide and not release as part of their source tarballs 2016-10-21T00:51:00 < zyp> to be honest, I'm not very tempted to support those vendors 2016-10-21T00:51:11 < karlp> so, I've got a pcb where I want all the parts on the "back" with just some leds on the front. the pcb is the case style. 2016-10-21T00:51:25 < karlp> do I ðut th eleds on the "back" so that all the routing is on the "front" side? 2016-10-21T00:51:41 < karlp> yeah, well, you pick your battles sometimes :) 2016-10-21T00:52:20 < zyp> back/front wrt. what the layers are called in the pcb editor? 2016-10-21T00:52:32 < karlp> yeah, and whether things are "upside down" or not 2016-10-21T00:52:35 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-21T00:52:56 < LeelooMinai> karlp: You can also have the leds on the back - the reverse ones. 2016-10-21T00:52:56 < zyp> I don't think it matters much 2016-10-21T00:53:16 < zyp> I mean, in altium you can choose to view the layout from either side 2016-10-21T00:53:19 < LeelooMinai> karlp: In this case you can have the front completely flat. 2016-10-21T00:53:23 < zyp> so it's no practical difference 2016-10-21T00:53:33 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f775f5b.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-21T00:53:38 < zyp> or did I misunderstand the question? 2016-10-21T00:54:40 < karlp> no, that's the question 2016-10-21T00:54:47 < LeelooMinai> karlp: Not 100% sure if this is your case, but in this pcb I have leds, but they are back: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/13576450145 2016-10-21T00:54:58 < LeelooMinai> You can see one led on under left touch key 2016-10-21T00:55:02 < karlp> I'm not using altium, and I've never noticed a way of telling freegle how to view it backwards. 2016-10-21T00:55:20 < karlp> LeelooMinai: yes, for some leds 2016-10-21T00:55:37 < karlp> but yeah, I think I'll push the leds to the "back" and do everything on the front 2016-10-21T00:55:39 < LeelooMinai> Youjust need a "reverse" led and a hole of course 2016-10-21T00:56:08 < LeelooMinai> Thought I guess maybe pcb would let the light through without copper... 2016-10-21T00:56:20 < LeelooMinai> Depends 2016-10-21T00:56:46 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-21T00:57:37 < Rajko> karlp, start using altium or KiCad then 2016-10-21T00:57:40 < Rajko> 3d view is SO important. 2016-10-21T00:58:41 < karlp> kicad sounds nice, but i'm not learning it in time for this project 2016-10-21T00:58:57 < karlp> tried a few years ago, definitely want to again, but not happening now. 2016-10-21T00:58:59 < Rajko> not having board rotation/flip is what had me stop using eagle. 2016-10-21T00:59:17 < Rajko> eagle is the worst pcb package 2016-10-21T00:59:29 < LeelooMinai> imo Altium > DIPTrace > (KiCAD, Eagle, and other monstrosities:) 2016-10-21T01:02:06 < karlp> Rajko: by rotation/flip are you just talking about viewing the whoel stack from teh other side? I'm totally not getting into spinnable 3d view 2016-10-21T01:02:25 < Rajko> 2d view flip to 2016-10-21T01:02:29 < Rajko> so you can see your board from the bottom 2016-10-21T01:02:58 < Rajko> you should get into rotating and viewing in 3d tho, it looks great and lets you visualize 3d connector spacings etc 2016-10-21T01:04:50 < karlp> yeah, when I switch to kicad 2016-10-21T01:04:54 < karlp> "next time office, I promise" 2016-10-21T01:12:48 < ds2> 2D flip? why? 2016-10-21T01:13:03 < Rajko> so you can actually read the silkscreen ? 2016-10-21T01:14:35 < zyp> Rajko, idk, 3D view is cute but not super essential 2016-10-21T01:14:45 < Rajko> i love it 2016-10-21T01:15:24 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T01:15:25 < LeelooMinai> ArduASIC 2016-10-21T01:15:48 < zyp> I mean, 3D view could maybe be useful if I weren't too lazy to add models to my footprints 2016-10-21T01:16:10 < Rajko> all of mine have footprints 2016-10-21T01:16:21 < Rajko> essential for hdmi/vga/rs232 clearance from components etc 2016-10-21T01:16:25 < aandrew> 3D footprints are the single most used feature I never knew I wanted 2016-10-21T01:16:26 < zyp> R2COM, exactly 2016-10-21T01:17:02 < zyp> Rajko, idk, I just draw a silk outline around everything 2016-10-21T01:17:07 < aandrew> I go out of my way to make sure my PCB footprints have 3D models now, it really does make things so much nicer when you're trying to do something that requires physical information (cases, stacked PCBs, etc.) 2016-10-21T01:17:17 < zyp> but yeah 2016-10-21T01:17:42 < kakimir> https://www.illinoiscapacitor.com/pdf/Papers/EMI_RFI_suppression_capacitors.pdf I found them capacitor explanations 2016-10-21T01:17:50 < zyp> I considered messing around with shit so I could check how it would look in a DIN rail enclosure 2016-10-21T01:17:58 < sync> aandrew: I usually use the pcb import in NX and figure shit out 2016-10-21T01:19:03 < zyp> wrt. stacked pcbs; I wish altium had native support for that 2016-10-21T01:19:19 < Rajko> yes 2016-10-21T01:19:27 < Rajko> 3d model import doesnt realtime-update 2016-10-21T01:19:27 < LeelooMinai> You want 3D also if you are actually going to build a case or something like that. I have one PCB like that: http://i.imgur.com/e2fhTkA.png 2016-10-21T01:19:43 < LeelooMinai> I will need this 3D model to know where the holes should be for the leds, etc. 2016-10-21T01:20:11 < aandrew> sync: NX? 2016-10-21T01:20:47 < zyp> LeelooMinai, eh, you still have most of the shape from the 2D data, and holes are given by the led height from led datasheet 2016-10-21T01:20:48 < sync> siemens NX 2016-10-21T01:21:34 < LeelooMinai> zyp: You want height, the RF connector shape, etc. - doing this by hand is kind of lame and does not scale. 2016-10-21T01:21:51 < zyp> LeelooMinai, when you make a pcb footprint with holes, you don't eyeball their locations from a 3D model, so why would you do that for a case model? 2016-10-21T01:22:26 < LeelooMinai> When you build the case, you import the 3D model and take the hole placement, etc. from there. 2016-10-21T01:22:43 < zyp> I see the argument of 3D models to verify it looks right, but I don't agree it should be the primary source of information 2016-10-21T01:22:48 < LeelooMinai> That's the fastest and most reasonable way probably 2016-10-21T01:23:10 < zyp> but then again I'm not a mcad guy 2016-10-21T01:23:15 < zyp> so what do I know 2016-10-21T01:23:29 < LeelooMinai> You don't want the most accurate model you have to be the source of information? 2016-10-21T01:24:05 < zyp> compared to actual datasheets? 2016-10-21T01:24:25 < LeelooMinai> What datasheets... You will mount this PCB in the case, not the datasheets:) 2016-10-21T01:24:41 < sync> I have learned not to trust the 3d models 2016-10-21T01:25:07 < zyp> and no, certainly there's less room for error if you're using two different sources for design and verification 2016-10-21T01:25:30 < LeelooMinai> Maybe it's better to learn how to make sure the 3D model is correnct - better spent time imo 2016-10-21T01:26:19 < LeelooMinai> It's not that difficult - you can either do it yourself or when you import one, just measure for sanity. It does not have to be correct to 1micron, but close. 2016-10-21T01:26:49 < zyp> says the guy who yesterday argued for strict verification of pinout mapping :) 2016-10-21T01:26:54 < LeelooMinai> And even real components have tolerances - so you need to take this into account anyways. They will also not refflow in the exact place each time:) 2016-10-21T01:27:08 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Read what I just wrote ^ 2016-10-21T01:27:30 < LeelooMinai> It's the physical world, not some ideal one. 2016-10-21T01:27:45 < LeelooMinai> zyp: And I am not a guy:) 2016-10-21T01:27:54 < aandrew> yep 3d body to verify you didn't fuck up the footprint is awesome 2016-10-21T01:28:00 < aandrew> saves so much potential trouble. 2016-10-21T01:28:07 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I don't care what you are, you're just a nick on irc 2016-10-21T01:28:48 < LeelooMinai> zyp: I just told you I am not a guy. What's the problem? 2016-10-21T01:29:06 < Rajko> zyp, exactly i dunno why it cares 2016-10-21T01:29:45 < LeelooMinai> You are insane imo:) 2016-10-21T01:29:48 < zyp> LeelooMinai, the problem is that this is going to turn into a pointless discussion and I'm not interested in participating in that 2016-10-21T01:30:06 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Than don't assume things... simple. 2016-10-21T01:30:32 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-21T01:30:33 < LeelooMinai> I see you seek confrontation on each step and have problems with anything not being as you imagine. 2016-10-21T01:31:06 < LeelooMinai> It is happening daily, so forget I will just fall in line, because you just think is should be so. 2016-10-21T01:31:09 < aandrew> I truly think LeelooMinai has some of the thickest skin of anyone I've ever encountered online 2016-10-21T01:31:45 < Rajko> i thought we already established LeelooMinai is TransMinai 2016-10-21T01:31:55 < LeelooMinai> Rajko: "We"? 2016-10-21T01:31:58 < Rajko> #stm32 2016-10-21T01:32:05 < LeelooMinai> Rajko: Multiple personality disorder? :P 2016-10-21T01:32:12 < aandrew> just the usual autists 2016-10-21T01:32:12 < Rajko> the channel 2016-10-21T01:32:18 < LeelooMinai> Rajko: You represent the channel now? 2016-10-21T01:32:41 < Rajko> jeez what a spoilsport 2016-10-21T01:32:43 < LeelooMinai> Rajko: Tell me then, how you established that? 2016-10-21T01:33:23 < ds2> *shrug* I'd find flipping it confusing as it is hard to orient both sides 2016-10-21T01:33:26 < LeelooMinai> Rajko: Sorry, no tolerance:p dongism is spreading at such a high rate, that I cannot assume anyone is reasonable now:) 2016-10-21T01:33:29 < zyp> LeelooMinai, how am I the one seeking a confrontation when you were the one who got the entire discussion off track by focusing on something irrelevant to the statement? 2016-10-21T01:33:58 < zyp> the pointlessness of this is why it's a problem 2016-10-21T01:34:01 < aandrew> dongism lol 2016-10-21T01:34:16 < LeelooMinai> zyp: I just gave you some simple info and you decided to not accept it and make it a problem. 2016-10-21T01:34:18 < Rajko> zyp, the correct response would be to just "k." 2016-10-21T01:34:27 < Rajko> and keep not caring 2016-10-21T01:34:48 < zyp> k. 2016-10-21T01:35:12 < LeelooMinai> Progress 2016-10-21T01:36:24 < LeelooMinai> Anyways, my point was that it's a common practice to use those 3D models nowadays. It speeds up the whole process of designing the device. 2016-10-21T01:36:52 < LeelooMinai> And there are some nice videos showing how you can quickly design a case using free software like Fusion360. 2016-10-21T01:37:17 < LeelooMinai> In 1/10th the time probably with respect to doing it without the model. 2016-10-21T01:37:23 < ds2> speaking of which... what's good free IDF to STEP/IGES converter? 2016-10-21T01:37:56 < zyp> fuck, now my head is full of arguments wrt. gender issues, not 3D models 2016-10-21T01:38:16 < aandrew> lol 2016-10-21T01:38:27 < LeelooMinai> zyp: If you have gender issues join #gender imo:p 2016-10-21T01:38:28 < aandrew> speaking of which, 2017 solidworks SP0 2016-10-21T01:38:28 < Rajko> zyp, XER, XER, XEIRS 2016-10-21T01:38:53 < zyp> LeelooMinai, no, I don't have gender issues, I just don't see why it's important that people online knows 2016-10-21T01:39:04 < zyp> I mean, you don't know which gender I am either 2016-10-21T01:39:19 < LeelooMinai> ds2: You will have to either use some big package to import and export or maybe try online upload sites - and import back (kind of weird but may work...) 2016-10-21T01:39:23 < Rajko> zyp, she just wants everybody to go "wow a girl in electronics" obviously 2016-10-21T01:39:41 < ds2> blah 2016-10-21T01:39:47 < Rajko> i used FreeCAD to edit models to add more pins to them a few times 2016-10-21T01:39:49 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Because you would feel weird onm IRC if everyone called you her, etc." 2016-10-21T01:40:00 < LeelooMinai> Probably I assume:) 2016-10-21T01:40:13 < BrainDamage> try and see how it pans out 2016-10-21T01:40:30 < Rajko> LeelooMinai, a bunch of blog writers have started using she/her when referring to a programmers 2016-10-21T01:40:42 < Rajko> who gives a shit 2016-10-21T01:40:57 < LeelooMinai> Right, you are missing the point... 2016-10-21T01:41:14 < LeelooMinai> The point is, that this perpetuates the assumotion that somehow women on IRC are rare. 2016-10-21T01:41:20 < Rajko> no girls on the internet 2016-10-21T01:41:22 < aandrew> I get a bit of a sad chuckle out of the whole "announce pronouns" that I see online 2016-10-21T01:41:36 < BrainDamage> no humans on the internet 2016-10-21T01:41:40 < Rajko> (only on facebook and lame social media) 2016-10-21T01:41:46 < Rajko> BrainDamage, we are all just markov chain bots 2016-10-21T01:42:06 < aandrew> My name's Mooshie Foobar (pronouns furry/hym/thyr) 2016-10-21T01:42:54 < LeelooMinai> I mean I have no problem with being not-gender specific on irc really. But then you would need to stop referring as "guy" to everyone, because it is:p 2016-10-21T01:43:06 < Rajko> LeelooMinai, im not your friend, guy 2016-10-21T01:43:09 < Rajko> im not your buddy, pal 2016-10-21T01:43:14 < aandrew> Rajko: don't 2016-10-21T01:43:17 < aandrew> do not make me watch that movie tonight 2016-10-21T01:43:30 < Rajko> LeelooMinai, what about 'dude' 2016-10-21T01:43:42 < Rajko> or 'you guys' 2016-10-21T01:43:45 < Rajko> it can include females 2016-10-21T01:43:46 < Rajko> it doesnt matter 2016-10-21T01:43:49 < zyp> LeelooMinai, idk, to me it's fairly gender neutral 2016-10-21T01:44:08 < LeelooMinai> guy, he - I don't know, that has a lot of assumptions there to me 2016-10-21T01:44:40 < zyp> what about bitch? doesn't that technically imply female? 2016-10-21T01:45:07 < Rajko> and yet its used on all 2016-10-21T01:45:18 < ds2> hmmm diptrace claims step output... anyone tried it? 2016-10-21T01:45:46 < aandrew> I think I'd use old DOS OrCAD before I used DipTrace 2016-10-21T01:46:10 < LeelooMinai> I used it long time ago - it's very reasonable (DipTrace) 2016-10-21T01:46:19 < LeelooMinai> Has nice 3D view too. 2016-10-21T01:46:28 < zyp> diptrace is even dongs approved 2016-10-21T01:46:34 < Rajko> even if you dont make the pcb in 3d 2016-10-21T01:46:40 < Rajko> at least check your gerbers in that 3d gerber viewer 2016-10-21T01:46:43 < Rajko> before you send it out 2016-10-21T01:46:44 < zyp> haven't tried it myself, but it can't be all that bad then 2016-10-21T01:46:56 < zyp> why 3D? 2016-10-21T01:47:04 < ds2> it isn't about using it... the licensese are cheap enough to use it as a eagle STEP file exporter 2016-10-21T01:47:05 < Rajko> so you get a feel of what it actually looks like ? 2016-10-21T01:47:06 < LeelooMinai> Anyways, I will not argue any more, since 1) you will not see my point anyways, 2) when dongs reappears, everything will reset to retardeness again, so what's the poiint:) 2016-10-21T01:47:19 < zyp> I agree on gerber viewer, but 3D isn't that important 2016-10-21T01:47:27 < Rajko> vs it just being a weird zoomed in view where you dont have a sense of scale 2016-10-21T01:48:39 < LeelooMinai> I think DipTrace has also hobbyist licence - free. In the past I would just write them and they would send it to me - limited to 500 pins or something like that. 2016-10-21T01:48:52 < LeelooMinai> It may be still there. 2016-10-21T01:48:54 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T01:49:03 < LeelooMinai> Or I think 300 pin limit if you don't request the hobby one. 2016-10-21T01:49:06 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I apologize if I offend in any way, I'm just not interested in keeping track of what gender everybody are, and to my knowledge there's no fully gender-neutral terms that doesn't sound stupid 2016-10-21T01:49:27 < LeelooMinai> Just use nick imo 2016-10-21T01:49:45 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-21T01:50:04 < zyp> «weren't you the LeelooMinai who talked about … yesterday»? :) 2016-10-21T01:50:34 < LeelooMinai> About what? 2016-10-21T01:50:52 < zyp> that was the structure of the sentence I used guy in 2016-10-21T01:51:20 < LeelooMinai> O, the lite is 500 pin now: http://diptrace.com/buy/non-profit/ 2016-10-21T01:51:29 < zyp> pin? 2016-10-21T01:51:32 < zyp> on a board? 2016-10-21T01:51:37 < stvn> Two days ago I saw a vehicle that'd haul that tanker. You wanna get out of here. You talk to me. 2016-10-21T01:51:42 < LeelooMinai> zyp: You could just say: weren't you the one who talked about... It's not that difficult:) 2016-10-21T01:52:41 < zyp> pfft, that'll only work until somebody with a schizophrenia shows up and demands that they are not «one» 2016-10-21T01:52:42 < LeelooMinai> Yes, it's a nice pin-no-area limit - much more sensible than Eagle area one imo 2016-10-21T01:52:53 < Rajko> what is a "pin" / 2016-10-21T01:52:54 < Rajko> net ? 2016-10-21T01:52:58 < zyp> pad? 2016-10-21T01:53:02 < LeelooMinai> No, pin on an IC 2016-10-21T01:53:10 < stvn> stm32 is now about political correctness 2016-10-21T01:53:10 < LeelooMinai> zyp: That does not happen that often... 2016-10-21T01:53:12 < Rajko> so you can use 2 256 pin ICs ? 2016-10-21T01:53:30 < zyp> eh, I disagree 2016-10-21T01:53:35 < LeelooMinai> stvn: I would say this was more about respect:) 2016-10-21T01:53:52 < stvn> respect on the internet is like... uhh... mm..? 2016-10-21T01:54:16 < sync> yeah 500 pins is very easy to hit 2016-10-21T01:54:28 < Rajko> is it per IC 2016-10-21T01:54:29 < zyp> area requirement is very easy to estimate, number of pins in a board is pretty hard 2016-10-21T01:54:30 < Rajko> or total pins on ICs 2016-10-21T01:54:34 < LeelooMinai> Rajko: Yes, well, hobby projects are kind of assumed to be not huge, but it's better than having small area, you put a power resistor there, and it's gone:p 2016-10-21T01:54:45 < Rajko> aaaand its gone 2016-10-21T01:54:45 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T01:54:55 < stvn> just in time 2016-10-21T01:54:59 < zyp> how big was eagle freeware limit? 2016-10-21T01:55:00 < LeelooMinai> Or a transformer or something 2016-10-21T01:55:06 < Rajko> zyp, 2 layers 10cm ? 2016-10-21T01:55:06 < zyp> 80xsomething? 2016-10-21T01:55:22 * stvn tag out and leaves Laurenceb_ in place 2016-10-21T01:55:24 < zyp> I know the hobbyist pay license is 4 layers 100x160 2016-10-21T01:55:33 < zyp> (because I had that) 2016-10-21T01:56:22 < LeelooMinai> Seems 100x80mm 2016-10-21T01:56:30 < LeelooMinai> And some Maker licence - whatever that is... 2016-10-21T01:56:47 < zyp> I don't think I've ever designed a board that's larger than 100x80 2016-10-21T01:56:59 < zyp> except some of the stuff I reworked at work, but that doesn't count 2016-10-21T01:57:00 < LeelooMinai> But I tell you - I would rather use DipTrace 2016-10-21T01:57:11 < Rajko> my last board was exactly 100x80 2016-10-21T01:57:23 < stvn> ^ lol 2016-10-21T01:57:25 < zyp> 100x80 is pretty big 2016-10-21T01:58:43 < stvn> is it better than altiumz 2016-10-21T01:58:46 < zyp> Rajko, what were that board for? 2016-10-21T01:59:16 < ds2> OrCAD is more like $1500 2016-10-21T01:59:30 < sync> there is that strange russian routing software that makes strange looking pcbs 2016-10-21T01:59:37 < zyp> topor? 2016-10-21T01:59:37 < sync> I had a demo of that, it is pretty neat 2016-10-21T01:59:43 < sync> yeah 2016-10-21T02:00:01 < Rajko> topor never worked for me 2016-10-21T02:00:05 < Rajko> actually no autorouters ever worked for me 2016-10-21T02:00:08 < Rajko> so fuck them 2016-10-21T02:00:53 < Rajko> but cadence is the shitiiestsoft 2016-10-21T02:00:57 < zyp> autorouters are kinda pointless on small designs 2016-10-21T02:01:01 < Rajko> just industry estabished 2016-10-21T02:01:06 < sync> not using PADS or what 2016-10-21T02:01:40 < sync> or synopsys/zuken 2016-10-21T02:04:13 < Rajko> all of them 2016-10-21T02:04:28 < Rajko> i hated allegro when i used itt 2016-10-21T02:04:28 < zyp> I venture: none 2016-10-21T02:04:43 < Rajko> so none 2016-10-21T02:04:58 < Rajko> k. 2016-10-21T02:05:53 < Rajko> probably 2016-10-21T02:05:58 < Rajko> but i can use altium just fine 2016-10-21T02:05:59 < Rajko> so no thx 2016-10-21T02:06:00 < zyp> and I've done bga256 in eagle, doesn't mean it's good 2016-10-21T02:06:34 < zyp> exactly 2016-10-21T02:07:05 < zyp> that's what you say 2016-10-21T02:07:14 < zyp> but what it means is that you like allegro the best 2016-10-21T02:08:44 < zyp> oh, wrongful comments never happen on irc! 2016-10-21T02:08:52 < karlp> zyp: I am already annoyed at the free limit on eagle, and diptrace woudl work, because 10x10cm pcbs are cheap in china. and I can't use all that area in eagle, only 8x10 2016-10-21T02:09:24 < zyp> karlp, I'd give you my hobbyist license if it weren't tied to my name :p 2016-10-21T02:09:24 < karlp> but that's because I want to use the pcb as the "case" 2016-10-21T02:09:40 < karlp> yeah, I have a work license, but it's for v6. 2016-10-21T02:09:48 < zyp> oh, yeah, mine too 2016-10-21T02:09:51 < karlp> so, I'm jkust making it 8x10 and living with it. 2016-10-21T02:10:01 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-21T02:10:07 < zyp> what are they up to now? 7? 8? 2016-10-21T02:10:40 < sync> zyp: nobody would ever be wrong on the internet 2016-10-21T02:10:42 < sync> ever. 2016-10-21T02:13:22 < zyp> karlp, I think that DIN rail thing will be the first time I'm having problems with pcb area 2016-10-21T02:13:31 < Rajko> who would do that ? just go onto the internet and tell lies ? 2016-10-21T02:13:38 < zyp> and I've already changed my plan from 2 to 4 modules 2016-10-21T02:14:51 < zyp> isolated AC/DC module, relays, energy measurement and required spacing between line voltage shit is going to eat up area, I imagine 2016-10-21T02:16:40 < ds2> anyone bothered to upgrade to v7? 2016-10-21T02:16:59 < upgrdman> so if i want to host my own "github" (just for my own code repos, not a whole multiuser platform) is the only decent option gitlab? 2016-10-21T02:17:25 < Rajko> its the best option 2016-10-21T02:17:32 < Rajko> atlassian stack is also available 2016-10-21T02:17:44 < BrainDamage> do you need the bug tracker, etc? because if you want to just host the code a simple http server works 2016-10-21T02:18:01 < zyp> don't even need http, if it's private then ssh is enough 2016-10-21T02:18:18 < Rajko> you can just set up a ssh git repo then 2016-10-21T02:18:26 < zyp> yeah 2016-10-21T02:18:30 < zyp> that's what I've got 2016-10-21T02:18:46 < zyp> and then throw on cgit to get a webui if you want that 2016-10-21T02:18:55 < upgrdman> well i kinda want the github style of hosted code. like i want to link to a line of code in a file, or bring up a certain version of a file online, etc 2016-10-21T02:19:00 < zyp> see http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/ for instance 2016-10-21T02:19:18 < karlp> zyp: yeah, having your own power supply and mains inside will eat space quick. 2016-10-21T02:19:35 < karlp> were you going to do that all embedded? or were you going to put a linux som in there too? 2016-10-21T02:19:58 < zyp> both 2016-10-21T02:20:16 < karlp> ds2: if you mean v7 of eagle, yeah, I'm using 7.6.4, the first post autocat release, and it's got names on nets in pcb edit now, which is wayyyy nicer 2016-10-21T02:20:21 < zyp> CAN network with a linux gateway and stm32 nodes 2016-10-21T02:20:47 < sync> upgrdman: you can also use gox 2016-10-21T02:20:49 < karlp> both din rail? 2016-10-21T02:21:09 < karlp> man, mixed metric and imperial grid footprints is a bit tedious. 2016-10-21T02:21:12 < ds2> karlp: anything else to justify the upgrade from v6? 2016-10-21T02:21:16 < karlp> just going to ignore all the not quite straight lines. 2016-10-21T02:21:18 < zyp> karlp, yeah 2016-10-21T02:21:32 < karlp> ds2 can't say I'm a heavy enough user to have any opinion on the matter really. 2016-10-21T02:21:44 < zyp> karlp, I'm thinking a triple board stack, where bottom is line voltage shit, middle is control shit, top is user interface 2016-10-21T02:21:46 < ds2> 'k 2016-10-21T02:21:52 < upgrdman> sync: ? when i google i get a bunch of mt gox shit 2016-10-21T02:21:57 < ds2> if it can output a STEP or IGES.... 2016-10-21T02:22:03 < zyp> and middle board can have stm32 variant and linux variant 2016-10-21T02:22:27 < karlp> yeah, some of the power meters I've pulled open have been three boards, 2016-10-21T02:22:33 < zyp> either that or just put a socket for SoM on every stm32 board, so gateway can be same hardware with just a SoM plugged into it 2016-10-21T02:22:45 < karlp> sometimes mains on the bottom, two side boards with some control holding the top display/buttons board in place 2016-10-21T02:23:01 < karlp> you still planning on productizing this? 2016-10-21T02:23:38 < stvn> rofl mtgox tho 2016-10-21T02:23:42 < zyp> idk, plan is to design it for fun, then figure out if it's worth productizing 2016-10-21T02:23:45 -!- johntramp [~john@175.111.102.145] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T02:23:57 -!- johntramp [~john@175.111.102.145] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-21T02:23:57 -!- johntramp [~john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T02:25:29 < sync> ah sry upgrdman gogs 2016-10-21T02:25:33 < karlp> http://imgur.com/a/iAtp8 <-- limits of eagle free area 2016-10-21T02:26:03 < stvn> lol 2016-10-21T02:26:06 < zyp> fucking huge empty board :p 2016-10-21T02:26:13 < upgrdman> sync, hmm that looks perfect. thx 2016-10-21T02:28:23 < karlp> yup, should manage to route it ok I reckon ;) 2016-10-21T02:28:35 < karlp> wings have already been sent off 2016-10-21T02:30:04 < karlp> still kinda tossing up wther to replace the schottkey to get more useable battery voltage though 2016-10-21T02:30:17 < karlp> should just put all the footprints down, plenty of space ;) 2016-10-21T02:31:23 < zyp> for stuff that's not required to be a given form factor, I usually just start designing around something and then draw the board outline last 2016-10-21T02:32:12 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/xNU01.png <- nfc reader started by throwing the nfc chip in a corner and layouting the rf path 2016-10-21T02:33:03 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/XQc3j.png <- then mcu next to it, then connectors, and then antenna drawed to fit the width 2016-10-21T02:35:39 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/6S8H4.png <- meanwhile, this was made to fit a given mounting hole pattern and got a bunch of spare area in the middle 2016-10-21T02:36:03 < Rajko> that looks so disgusting 2016-10-21T02:36:10 < Rajko> the connections 2016-10-21T02:36:25 < zyp> in what sense? 2016-10-21T02:36:32 < Rajko> the routes 2016-10-21T02:36:48 < Rajko> everything's just slightly off like eagle likes to make it 2016-10-21T02:36:59 < zyp> that's altium 2016-10-21T02:37:23 < zyp> first design I did in altium actually 2016-10-21T02:37:29 < Rajko> fix it 2016-10-21T02:37:37 < Rajko> also 2016-10-21T02:37:40 < Rajko> enable antialiasing in altium :D 2016-10-21T02:37:53 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/ZpHin.png <- this better? 2016-10-21T02:38:12 < Rajko> slightly 2016-10-21T02:38:25 < Rajko> you should run it through topor 2016-10-21T02:38:46 < Rajko> a bunch of bga chips bottoms look like theyve been run through topor, i like it 2016-10-21T02:40:01 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/eaiEM.png <- what do you think about this? 2016-10-21T02:40:21 < Rajko> dats pretty good 2016-10-21T02:40:42 < Rajko> what fpga is that 2016-10-21T02:40:44 < stvn> i want one 2016-10-21T02:40:46 < zyp> that's done in eagle 2016-10-21T02:40:51 < zyp> not fpga, lpc43xx 2016-10-21T02:41:00 < Rajko> lies 2016-10-21T02:41:02 < Rajko> eagle doesnt have curves 2016-10-21T02:41:08 < zyp> :) 2016-10-21T02:41:37 < stvn> curves are good for electrons mate 2016-10-21T02:41:48 < zyp> got some wip pics of that too 2016-10-21T02:41:49 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/EHuUj.png 2016-10-21T02:44:40 < stvn> thats a good one 2016-10-21T02:45:38 < zyp> mostly made it to see how hard it would be to design and assemble at home 2016-10-21T02:46:32 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSUtxa2FPVTZheGM/view?usp=sharing did I show this around already? 2016-10-21T02:47:08 < stvn> i didn't see it yet 2016-10-21T02:47:15 < stvn> kakimir: i want to see your LEDs again 2016-10-21T02:47:19 < kakimir> it hase 2 leds there 2016-10-21T02:47:27 < kakimir> 0603 2016-10-21T02:47:32 < stvn> too smarl 2016-10-21T02:48:01 < Rajko> 2big 2016-10-21T02:48:08 < karlp> of course eagle has curves 2016-10-21T02:48:33 < stvn> does anyone actually like eagle 2016-10-21T02:49:01 < Rajko> only sparkfun 2016-10-21T02:49:44 < zyp> 1mm pitch 2016-10-21T02:49:47 < zyp> and it's easy as fuck 2016-10-21T02:49:51 < LeelooMinai> I don't think so. What was that, element14 that tried to sell some special version of Eagle, but no one would buy it and they switched to Altium? :) 2016-10-21T02:50:20 < zyp> eagle was a decent option ten years ago 2016-10-21T02:50:58 < LeelooMinai> Most complaints I saw were that it stagnated - new features all added very slowly - seems they just ride on past popularity. 2016-10-21T02:50:59 < zyp> problem is just it didn't improve much (or maybe it did, I haven't touched it for years) 2016-10-21T02:51:31 < zyp> englishman, four 2016-10-21T02:51:53 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/r1ChW.JPG <- here's another one 2016-10-21T02:51:55 < zyp> this one is fpga 2016-10-21T02:52:04 < zyp> and done in altium 2016-10-21T02:52:10 < Rajko> where da caps at ? 2016-10-21T02:52:16 < zyp> bottom 2016-10-21T02:52:24 < Rajko> you did it in altium yet didnt use teardrops on the 2.54mm pin headers ? 2016-10-21T02:52:31 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/kgGn6.png 2016-10-21T02:52:33 < zyp> not yet 2016-10-21T02:52:47 < Rajko> thats a tiny amount of caps 2016-10-21T02:52:50 < Rajko> large caps 2016-10-21T02:52:51 < stvn> i like circuit board 2016-10-21T02:52:54 < LeelooMinai> I did 0.4mm BGA at home - very tiny one. 2016-10-21T02:52:55 < Rajko> also you have vias inside of caps 2016-10-21T02:53:22 < zyp> yeah, works fine 2016-10-21T02:53:47 < Rajko> tiny vias even tho they are delivering power 2016-10-21T02:54:09 < zyp> I don't bother dicking around with smaller than 0603 when I'm hand placing, and 10mil holes that's tented on the opposite side is no problem at all in 0603 pads 2016-10-21T02:54:23 < zyp> heh, «small» 2016-10-21T02:54:50 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr6qQybfwEg 2016-10-21T02:55:26 < zyp> Rajko, keep in mind a 10 mil diameter hole got a 31.4 mil circumference, that's pretty wide 2016-10-21T02:55:45 < Rajko> how much is that in mm 2016-10-21T02:56:13 < zyp> 10 mil is 0.254 mm 2016-10-21T02:56:26 < Rajko> my power vias are 0.6mm 2016-10-21T02:56:34 < Rajko> china board house says 0.3mm via minimum 2016-10-21T02:57:14 < zyp> so your power via is equivalent to a 1.9mm wide trace 2016-10-21T02:57:45 < zyp> and iirc hole plating is thicker than the normal layers, which further increases conductivity 2016-10-21T03:04:58 < Rajko> where did you get 0.1mm vias 2016-10-21T03:05:10 < stvn> the cook 2016-10-21T03:06:05 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2603:3023:50a:4600:50e5:243c:1a7e:8e9b] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-21T03:06:57 < zyp> I said 0.254, not 0.1 2016-10-21T03:07:48 < stvn> i said nothin. 2016-10-21T03:08:47 < stvn> kakimir: you still there? 2016-10-21T03:09:15 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T03:10:15 < kakimir> sup 2016-10-21T03:11:28 < stvn> what does your board do? 2016-10-21T03:12:20 < kakimir> electrons 2016-10-21T03:12:25 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T03:12:27 < stvn> no way 2016-10-21T03:12:59 < stvn> just the other day I wanted to do them too 2016-10-21T03:13:03 < LeelooMinai> Quick question: is the irq table at 0x0 rewritable at runtime? 2016-10-21T03:13:20 < kakimir> microampere buck regulator stvn 2016-10-21T03:13:30 < LeelooMinai> Before I try it and see it explode... 2016-10-21T03:13:36 < stvn> microampere as in? 2016-10-21T03:14:04 < zyp> LeelooMinai, which memory do you have mapped at 0x0? 2016-10-21T03:14:42 < kakimir> Iq 2016-10-21T03:15:00 < LeelooMinai> I don't think that there's anything done with mapping - it's just left at defaults. 2016-10-21T03:15:00 < stvn> so efficient at 'small' loads 2016-10-21T03:15:09 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I mean, in either case the answer is yes, but erasing flash page 0 to rewrite it during runtime is pretty stupid 2016-10-21T03:15:56 < zyp> with ram mapped at 0x0 it'll work better, but ram mapped to 0x0 is kinda pointless, considering you can just point SCB_VTOR to wherever you want to put a rewriteable vector table 2016-10-21T03:16:19 < LeelooMinai> Well, .isr_vector segment in the link file goes >FLASH, yes 2016-10-21T03:17:14 < zyp> but you agree rewriting flash pages to change vectors during runtime is dumb, yes? 2016-10-21T03:18:10 < LeelooMinai> Right, I had some initialization code where I though I could reqrite the table and feel some vectors only if they are needed, but I guess I may just fill them permanently. 2016-10-21T03:18:18 < LeelooMinai> feel=fill 2016-10-21T03:19:03 < zyp> if you want a rewritable vector table, the best way is probably to put a minimal vector table where the normal one is now (just the four first vectors which are mandatory), then create a new vector table in ram after boot and change SCB_VTOR to point to that 2016-10-21T03:19:09 < zyp> before enabling any interrupts 2016-10-21T03:19:39 < Laurenceb_> is stm32 sram wiped by reset? 2016-10-21T03:19:40 < LeelooMinai> Right, makes sense - will see first if I really need that. 2016-10-21T03:19:42 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T03:20:20 < zyp> englishman, actually; never 2016-10-21T03:20:36 < zyp> no 2016-10-21T03:20:50 < zyp> it's undefined, not wiped 2016-10-21T03:21:21 < zyp> anyway, it'll retain state as long as it's powered 2016-10-21T03:21:31 < zyp> initial state is undefined 2016-10-21T03:22:00 < zyp> but it's possible to use it to reliably pass information across a sysreset 2016-10-21T03:22:15 < LeelooMinai> Well, there are also power states - at least in L4 it depends which you use - some preserve RAm some not, and I think some preserve only part of the ram. 2016-10-21T03:22:32 < LeelooMinai> The special 16k one. 2016-10-21T03:22:33 < zyp> I use that to tell bootloader whether it should go to bootloader mode or not 2016-10-21T03:23:20 < zyp> LeelooMinai, by «it's powered» I meant the ram block, not the entire chip, since ram block can be powered off separately 2016-10-21T03:23:25 < Laurenceb_> ah useful 2016-10-21T03:23:31 < Laurenceb_> I've done this on avr 2016-10-21T03:23:53 < Laurenceb_> had noinit variables to keep system state after a watchdog reset 2016-10-21T03:23:57 < zyp> LeelooMinai, as far as I know, ram is always powered unless explicitly powered off 2016-10-21T03:24:35 < zyp> and I've used it for bootloader stuff on L0 2016-10-21T03:25:02 < LeelooMinai> Well, I mean look at this table: http://i.imgur.com/AFsrDjm.png 2016-10-21T03:25:32 < LeelooMinai> Adn they have comments like this: "5. SRAM2 content is preserved when the bit RRS is set in PWR_CR3 register" 2016-10-21T03:25:44 < LeelooMinai> So there's a lot of control there. 2016-10-21T03:25:48 < zyp> yes 2016-10-21T03:26:25 < zyp> so it's powered in every mode except standby and shutdown, and standby/shutdown are only ever entered explicitly 2016-10-21T03:28:43 < zyp> Laurenceb_, http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/commit/?id=4796432 2016-10-21T03:29:30 < Laurenceb_> ah simple enough 2016-10-21T03:29:50 < zyp> yeah, just make sure the layout of that section matches in both images 2016-10-21T03:29:55 < Laurenceb_> avr uses "section .noinit" or something iirc 2016-10-21T03:30:26 < zyp> doesn't matter what you call it 2016-10-21T03:30:39 < Laurenceb_> uint32_t number_of_times_the_code_failed_epically; 2016-10-21T03:30:59 < upgrdman> i read that as eliptically and was kinda confused 2016-10-21T03:30:59 < Laurenceb_> was my intended use 2016-10-21T03:31:03 < zyp> remember that after a power on reset contents will be undefined 2016-10-21T03:31:20 < Laurenceb_> yeah but you can find the reset cause 2016-10-21T03:31:21 < zyp> so you should mark real content with a magic word and possibly checksum 2016-10-21T03:31:38 < Laurenceb_> just check for power on reset 2016-10-21T03:31:58 < Laurenceb_> of course there is also the case of a power supply failing intermittently in service 2016-10-21T03:32:32 < zyp> assuming it's initialized after anything but a power on reset sounds dangerous :p 2016-10-21T03:32:41 < zyp> magic word is more reliable 2016-10-21T03:32:55 < Laurenceb_> yeah I guess 2016-10-21T03:33:13 < Laurenceb_> hmm 2016-10-21T03:33:29 < Laurenceb_> if the ram is all still there it could dump to µSD 2016-10-21T03:34:10 < zyp> you're thinking coredump? 2016-10-21T03:34:15 < Laurenceb_> yeah 2016-10-21T03:34:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-21T03:34:39 < Laurenceb_> so coredump watchdog resets as well as logging them 2016-10-21T03:34:49 < zyp> format it right and you'll get something that can be loaded right into gdb 2016-10-21T03:35:29 < Laurenceb_> that could be a pretty cool feature for dataloggers at remote sites 2016-10-21T03:35:41 < zyp> yeah 2016-10-21T03:36:15 < zyp> you'll have to reserve a memory area for the dumping code so it doesn't overwrite what you want to dump 2016-10-21T03:36:26 < Laurenceb_> good point 2016-10-21T03:37:37 < zyp> but if you have spare ram, that shouldn't be a big deal 2016-10-21T03:52:15 < LeelooMinai> Hmm this is a bit tricky. Is there a way to somehow point a weak IRQ symbol to specific address (at compile time, but it's not known under specific name when writing the code) 2016-10-21T03:52:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T03:52:40 < LeelooMinai> The address will be precomputed during the compile. 2016-10-21T03:53:08 < LeelooMinai> So I cannot just define, say, EXTI0_IRQHandler function as extern "C" 2016-10-21T03:53:55 < ds2> ? 2016-10-21T03:54:16 < LeelooMinai> ds2: Well, you know how irq's are defines usually in assembly, right? 2016-10-21T03:54:26 < LeelooMinai> As weak symbols. 2016-10-21T03:55:15 < ds2> linker maps 2016-10-21T03:55:27 < ds2> the compiler doesn't really assign and address. the linker does 2016-10-21T03:55:32 < LeelooMinai> flyback: o_O 2016-10-21T03:56:09 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has left ##stm32 [] 2016-10-21T03:56:17 < LeelooMinai> Yes, anyways, the problem is I will not know where it should point to in the source code, but only during the compile stage. 2016-10-21T03:57:28 < LeelooMinai> I mean I can define the function and put something inside, but it will be just a call to some other function, so would be nicer if I had it point to that another function directly. 2016-10-21T03:58:00 < ds2> eh? 2016-10-21T03:58:45 < LeelooMinai> extern "C" inline void EXTI0_IRQHandler() { } 2016-10-21T03:59:10 < LeelooMinai> I want to have directly put in the vector table, withouth the wrapping part. 2016-10-21T03:59:22 < ds2> worse case, assign it to its own section 2016-10-21T03:59:30 < ds2> then link map it to an absolute address 2016-10-21T03:59:41 < Rajko> LeelooMinai, isnt there only very limited space for interrupt handlers 2016-10-21T03:59:46 < Rajko> so they basically all HAVE to be jumps ? 2016-10-21T04:00:17 < LeelooMinai> Isa there some limit for this? I did not know that... 2016-10-21T04:00:32 < Rajko> well in the table you only have limited space per interrupt, no ? 2016-10-21T04:00:59 < LeelooMinai> The table is just an address of the handler - 4 bytes per one. 2016-10-21T04:01:16 < Rajko> yes and they hardcode the address of EXTIO_IRqHandler, right ? 2016-10-21T04:01:25 < Rajko> so you have to define it or you get undefined external 2016-10-21T04:01:34 < Rajko> it also has a different return than a normal function does ? 2016-10-21T04:01:38 < LeelooMinai> Well, it's as a weak symbol in the startup file. 2016-10-21T04:01:51 < ds2> just just name it the same thing 2016-10-21T04:01:58 < ds2> link will resolve it in your favor 2016-10-21T04:02:56 < LeelooMinai> But I just wrote that inside the handler there will be call to a function - my whole question was if I can somehow have the address of that function called sirectly:/ 2016-10-21T04:03:01 < LeelooMinai> directly* 2016-10-21T04:04:45 < LeelooMinai> I have a feeling that it's not clear what I am asking really... 2016-10-21T04:07:43 < LeelooMinai> Ok, so here's the code I am experimenting with: http://i.imgur.com/GrEAMjw.png 2016-10-21T04:08:07 < LeelooMinai> Basically I want the vector table to point directly to the part I marked as "Will be known..." 2016-10-21T04:08:38 < LeelooMinai> Disregard inline, etc. 2016-10-21T04:08:41 < dongs> zyp: I factored 84000000 and used 2 integer dividers 2016-10-21T04:09:01 < dongs> to get closest numbers that were divisible/integer .. and it was still doing that 2016-10-21T04:10:11 < LeelooMinai> So in other terms, I wonder if it's possible to somehow say during the compilation stage that EXTI0_IRQHandler resolves to some address (computable during compilation.) 2016-10-21T04:10:23 < LeelooMinai> Does it make sense? 2016-10-21T04:11:52 < ds2> compilation does not assign absolute addresses. 2016-10-21T04:12:47 < LeelooMinai> I don't mean file-absolute, I mean I will have address in the compilation unit - real address that is, just it will be found at compilation. 2016-10-21T04:12:49 < ds2> as written, it should be sufficient 2016-10-21T04:13:06 < ds2> and I am saying the absolute address will NOT be found at compile time. 2016-10-21T04:13:09 < LeelooMinai> Well, there's an extra indirection there, that I don't like. 2016-10-21T04:13:22 < ds2> link time is where absolute addresses are assigned 2016-10-21T04:13:26 < LeelooMinai> ds2: I understand that. Linker will do that. 2016-10-21T04:13:35 < ds2> then what's the problem? 2016-10-21T04:13:49 < LeelooMinai> I think I wrote it like 5 times now:) 2016-10-21T04:13:51 < ds2> there is no indirection here 2016-10-21T04:14:08 < LeelooMinai> There's a call inside a call. 2016-10-21T04:14:12 < ds2> when it is all done, your elf file, .bin, etc will have the address of your function 2016-10-21T04:14:13 < LeelooMinai> That's indirection... 2016-10-21T04:14:30 < LeelooMinai> No, it will have the address of the function wrapping it. 2016-10-21T04:14:58 < LeelooMinai> Assuming that there's no magic optimization or something, but I don't know if it will happen. 2016-10-21T04:15:05 < ds2> your handler is (and should be) called EXT0_IRQHandler, right? 2016-10-21T04:15:12 < ds2> and it will do whatever it needs to do and return 2016-10-21T04:15:12 < Rajko> ds2, its not 2016-10-21T04:15:15 < Rajko> he put it into an array 2016-10-21T04:15:24 < ds2> why the array? 2016-10-21T04:15:25 < Rajko> and he wants the indirection from the named function to the array call 2016-10-21T04:15:28 < Rajko> to be inlined 2016-10-21T04:15:32 < Rajko> and i dont think the linker inlines 2016-10-21T04:15:41 < ds2> then I clearly don't understand 2016-10-21T04:15:44 < LeelooMinai> Rajko: I am not he... 2016-10-21T04:16:02 < Rajko> yes you ar 2016-10-21T04:16:06 < Rajko> you are clearly doing that 2016-10-21T04:16:14 < LeelooMinai> Rajko: Do you have to be an asshole? 2016-10-21T04:16:37 < Rajko> no idea 2016-10-21T04:17:10 < LeelooMinai> It escapes me, why everyone needs to be mean in this channel:/ 2016-10-21T04:17:44 < Rajko> Service ? 2016-10-21T04:17:45 < LeelooMinai> I mean I understand joking and teasing, etc. - that's fine. But just being mean and assholish day after day. 2016-10-21T04:17:51 < Rajko> i just did it by default 2016-10-21T04:17:54 < Rajko> deal with it 2016-10-21T04:18:09 < LeelooMinai> I am dealing with it. 2016-10-21T04:18:22 < LeelooMinai> Rajko: In fact, if I was not dealing with it I would not talk to you at all:) 2016-10-21T04:18:58 < Rajko> post noods 2016-10-21T04:19:27 < dongs> sup dongs 2016-10-21T04:19:28 < LeelooMinai> Ok, and again, I ask question and it ends at something stupid... 2016-10-21T04:19:35 < Rajko> only because you derailed it again 2016-10-21T04:20:14 < LeelooMinai> No, you did - you specifically decided to show that you just don't care what I wrote before. 2016-10-21T04:20:26 < Rajko> k 2016-10-21T04:20:35 < LeelooMinai> So basically "fuck you, I will be mean again" 2016-10-21T04:20:40 < upgrdman> R2COM, is this you? http://i.imgur.com/2aP1vib.gif 2016-10-21T04:20:44 < Rajko> LeelooMinai, i forgot 2016-10-21T04:21:00 < Rajko> stop exaggerating 2016-10-21T04:21:04 < LeelooMinai> Sreiously doubt it - it was like an hour ago. 2016-10-21T04:21:18 < upgrdman> lol 2016-10-21T04:21:22 < LeelooMinai> Rajko: Stop pretending that you did not do it on purpose. 2016-10-21T04:21:32 < Rajko> believe what you want 2016-10-21T04:21:37 < Rajko> i was just talking about the inlining 2016-10-21T04:21:53 < Rajko> if i was doing it on purpose i would have used something silly like szher 2016-10-21T04:22:03 < LeelooMinai> Well ok, you are dishonest - fine, I will just stop trying with you. 2016-10-21T04:22:16 < Rajko> ok, guy 2016-10-21T04:22:36 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T04:23:19 < Rajko> upgrdman, is he actually jackin it 2016-10-21T04:23:25 < dongs> upgrdman: ds2 had lunix running on F103 with psram, lol 2016-10-21T04:23:40 < dongs> and H7 probably has mipi-dsi so you could connect it to some mobile LCD 2016-10-21T04:23:47 < upgrdman> dongs, lol nice. but i kinda wanna make a shitberry pi type of pc. 2016-10-21T04:23:57 < dongs> then buy a shittyberrypi 2016-10-21T04:24:04 < upgrdman> but i wanna make one 2016-10-21T04:24:06 < Rajko> upgrdman, use an orange pi instead 2016-10-21T04:24:07 < ds2> if it has MIPI-dsi, good luck getting docs on it 2016-10-21T04:24:07 < Rajko> its 10$ 2016-10-21T04:24:17 < upgrdman> Rajko, money isnt the problem. im not poor. 2016-10-21T04:24:19 < upgrdman> but i wanna make one 2016-10-21T04:24:24 < Rajko> make an orange pi then 2016-10-21T04:24:28 < Rajko> full datasheet for allwinner H3 2016-10-21T04:24:32 < Rajko> and sample PCB layouts available 2016-10-21T04:24:32 < dongs> ds2, 429 or 479 or something have dsi already 2016-10-21T04:24:46 < dongs> or 729 whatever 2016-10-21T04:25:20 < ds2> dongs: with downloadable docs? 2016-10-21T04:25:40 < ds2> couldn't find docs for the F4's with MIPI 2016-10-21T04:26:21 < upgrdman> kinda wonder why some of these SBCs dont use a VESA mount bolt pattern 2016-10-21T04:26:36 < upgrdman> would make things so neat 2016-10-21T04:27:07 < ds2> upgrdman: why not use a TI part? 2016-10-21T04:27:37 < upgrdman> im open to that. i like ti 2016-10-21T04:28:12 < upgrdman> oh and anyone know if these shitberry pi's have opengl? 2016-10-21T04:28:18 < upgrdman> supposely they have a MALI someshit gpu 2016-10-21T04:28:23 < upgrdman> but is there opengl for it? 2016-10-21T04:30:50 < ds2> upgrdman: the AM335x are pretty easy... esp if you use the recursive BGA 2016-10-21T04:31:13 < ds2> MALI is the ARM IP for OpenGL acceleration 2016-10-21T04:32:12 < upgrdman> so is MALI just an opengl driver that convert opengl to Cortax Asomething op codes? 2016-10-21T04:32:21 < ds2> no, it is a GPU 2016-10-21T04:32:26 < upgrdman> k 2016-10-21T04:32:39 < ds2> like the SGX/PowerVR stuff 2016-10-21T04:33:43 < dongs> ds2: .. its in the RM 2016-10-21T04:33:51 < dongs> why the fuck wouldnt it be anyway?> 2016-10-21T04:34:40 < upgrdman> ds2, oh looks like the BBB uses the AM335x 2016-10-21T04:34:48 < upgrdman> maybe i should get one as a dev board 2016-10-21T04:36:07 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-21T04:39:33 -!- LeelooMinai [~quassel@184-175-46-197.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 2016-10-21T04:40:02 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-21T04:41:58 < upgrdman> R2COM, no its part of the Cortex Asomeshit 2016-10-21T04:42:12 < upgrdman> or whatever a shitberry pi is 2016-10-21T04:42:24 < Rajko> no its not part of cortex 2016-10-21T04:42:27 < Rajko> cortex is just the ARM part 2016-10-21T04:42:30 < Rajko> the cpu 2016-10-21T04:42:32 < Rajko> MALI is the gpu 2016-10-21T04:42:46 < Rajko> in the shitberry pi, the GPU actually starts up the cpu 2016-10-21T04:42:51 < Rajko> because they have closed blobs for the gpu :( 2016-10-21T04:43:34 < Rajko> they are both in the "SoC" 2016-10-21T04:43:42 < ds2> MALI is licensed from ARM 2016-10-21T04:43:53 < Rajko> yes but it doesnt have to be MALI, it can be PVR 2016-10-21T04:43:57 < ds2> if you are qualified to license cores... 2016-10-21T04:44:06 < ds2> yes, it is an option just like the PVR 2016-10-21T04:44:09 < Rajko> no datasheet for broadcom 2016-10-21T04:44:16 < ds2> or that other thing that freescale used in the imx6 2016-10-21T04:44:25 < upgrdman> lol at page 8: file:///C:/Users/FarrellF/Downloads/BBB_SCH.pdf why the fuck does eMMC have so many fucking usused pins 2016-10-21T04:44:30 < upgrdman> oops, fail URL 2016-10-21T04:44:36 < Rajko> upgrdman, it doesnt 2016-10-21T04:44:42 < upgrdman> this https://github.com/CircuitCo/BeagleBone-Black/blob/master/BBB_SCH.pdf?raw=true 2016-10-21T04:44:58 < Rajko> upgrdman, the package used for eMMC usually also contains LPDDR RAM 2016-10-21T04:45:01 < Rajko> the other balls are for the ram. 2016-10-21T04:45:15 < Rajko> if you get just the eMMC in the same package of course the ram balls will be unused 2016-10-21T04:45:35 < upgrdman> ah ok 2016-10-21T04:45:36 < ds2> Rajko: name one provider with eMMC and LPDDR in the same package 2016-10-21T04:45:42 < Rajko> ds2, samsung 2016-10-21T04:45:47 < ds2> got a P/N? 2016-10-21T04:46:01 < Rajko> kmvtu000lm-b503 2016-10-21T04:46:05 < ds2> I have seen the MCP stuff but they have the POP pinout 2016-10-21T04:46:26 < Rajko> https://images.sshnuke.net/2016-10-04_01-58-34.png 2016-10-21T04:46:48 < Rajko> only brown there is eMMC 2016-10-21T04:48:01 < Rajko> the eMMC used on the beaglebone is that pinout 2016-10-21T04:48:07 < Rajko> jsut without the ram as its made by Kingston 2016-10-21T04:48:09 < ds2> hmmm no datasheet 2016-10-21T04:48:20 < Rajko> ds2, their datasheets have x's in them 2016-10-21T04:48:23 < dongs> i'm gonna guess emmc + ddr is covered by some jedec shit 2016-10-21T04:48:24 < Rajko> as they are for a whole family 2016-10-21T04:48:24 < dongs> and is standard 2016-10-21T04:48:42 < ds2> this is the first time I seen a non POP MCP 2016-10-21T04:48:56 < Rajko> https://images.sshnuke.net/2016-10-21_03-48-46.png thats one of the pinouts 2016-10-21T04:49:02 < Rajko> the other pinout follows an "L" shape 2016-10-21T04:49:13 < Rajko> didnt see if that one has DDR in it too 2016-10-21T04:49:15 < Rajko> probably does 2016-10-21T04:50:23 -!- maenthri1 [maenthrie@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-lzrqqofxfxasnflc] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-21T04:50:44 -!- maenthrie [~maenthrie@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ggujvfitdoflsbrn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T04:51:00 < Rajko> MoviMCP = MoviNAND+ND(OD) 2016-10-21T04:51:04 < Rajko> is what samsung calls it 2016-10-21T04:51:36 < ds2> anyone else selling it? 2016-10-21T04:51:43 < ds2> Samsung isn't too friendly to deal with 2016-10-21T04:52:11 < Rajko> http://www.texet.ru/save.php?file=/files/_1410264132.pdf hynix apparently 2016-10-21T04:53:06 < Rajko> geography teacher ? 2016-10-21T04:53:17 < Rajko> i dont believe you 2016-10-21T04:53:18 < Rajko> why map 2016-10-21T04:54:25 < Rajko> Korea ? 2016-10-21T04:54:31 < ds2> blah no 1.8V support 2016-10-21T04:54:45 < Rajko> ds2, eMMC always requires 3.3v vdd 2016-10-21T04:54:47 < Rajko> vddq can be 1.8v 2016-10-21T04:55:02 < ds2> I have seen eMMC with pure 1.8 2016-10-21T04:55:08 < Rajko> (2.8v to 3.6v vdd) 2016-10-21T04:55:13 < ds2> MMC originally supported 1.8V operation 2016-10-21T04:55:22 < Rajko> yeah 2016-10-21T04:55:29 < Rajko> but then they made it dual voltage so that IO can be separate with eMMC 2016-10-21T04:55:45 < Rajko> so the flash voltage can be whatever the optimal is 2016-10-21T04:56:40 < ds2> yes but that means another regulator 2016-10-21T04:56:57 < Rajko> i always have 3.3v 2016-10-21T04:57:24 < ds2> 3.3v is pain 2016-10-21T04:57:31 < Rajko> 3.3v is life 3.3v is love 2016-10-21T04:57:35 < ds2> forces you to trade off things 2016-10-21T04:57:35 -!- maenthrie [~maenthrie@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ggujvfitdoflsbrn] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-21T04:57:49 -!- maenthrie [maenthrie@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-eqkkhxtsgyiyuspm] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T04:58:04 < ds2> either do buck boost, or give up on battery capacityty 2016-10-21T04:58:26 < Rajko> 2.8v VCC minimum for eMMC 2016-10-21T04:58:31 < ds2> 1.8V is much friendlier 2016-10-21T04:58:40 < Rajko> so you dont have to boost off battery 2016-10-21T04:58:41 < Rajko> all the phones give it 2.8v constant 2016-10-21T05:01:21 < ds2> depends on the end point for your battery 2016-10-21T05:02:51 < ds2> if you want to push it down to 2.7v range... you still need overhead of an LDO 2016-10-21T05:06:21 -!- maenthrie [maenthrie@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-eqkkhxtsgyiyuspm] has left ##stm32 [] 2016-10-21T05:06:30 -!- maenthrie [maenthrie@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-eqkkhxtsgyiyuspm] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T05:08:39 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.63.64] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T05:14:53 < Rajko> https://images.sshnuke.net/2016-10-21_04-14-50.png what is this crystal footprint called 2016-10-21T05:16:36 < dongs> 3215 2016-10-21T05:17:45 < dongs> or 3213 actually 2016-10-21T05:17:49 < dongs> sry3215 is the 2 pin 2016-10-21T05:18:04 < Rajko> middle pin is just gnd ? 2016-10-21T05:18:10 < dongs> yes 2016-10-21T05:18:13 < dongs> or NC 2016-10-21T05:18:16 < dongs> just for structure 2016-10-21T05:18:29 < dongs> check datasheet of wahtever one youre using 2016-10-21T05:24:36 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2016-10-21T05:26:40 < Rajko> which footprint is best for smal chips and 25MHz/27MHz 2016-10-21T05:27:04 < Rajko> i just had bags of the hc46 ones so i used those last time 2016-10-21T05:27:45 < Rajko> hc49* 2016-10-21T05:34:59 -!- kow_ [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-21T05:53:37 < dongs> 3225 is common 2016-10-21T05:53:46 < dongs> but 25/27 can be 2016 also 2016-10-21T05:53:50 < dongs> if you have no space 2016-10-21T05:57:21 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T06:03:55 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T06:15:20 < dongs> Hello i am looking for a hardware circuit/schematic design engineer who is very good is designing circuits/schematics. 2016-10-21T06:16:35 < Rajko> look no further 2016-10-21T06:16:40 < Rajko> than yourself 2016-10-21T06:17:01 < stvn> dongs: just msg ohsix, don't bother with any of these amateurs 2016-10-21T06:21:26 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-21T06:43:04 -!- stvn [7bf38b7c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.123.243.139.124] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2016-10-21T07:23:48 < dongs> dumb games 2016-10-21T07:24:49 -!- LeelooMinai [~quassel@184-175-46-197.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T07:37:35 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-21T07:39:25 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtkbioiQHmA fucking eevfag 2016-10-21T07:39:46 < dongs> tried to watch through half the video with audio off and subtitles enabled 2016-10-21T07:39:50 < dongs> like, the only way to watch his shit 2016-10-21T07:39:56 < dongs> just for content... whcih tehre wasn't much of 2016-10-21T07:40:19 < dongs> swat 2016-10-21T07:40:20 < dongs> er 2016-10-21T07:40:20 < dongs> wat 2016-10-21T07:40:21 < dongs> ? 2016-10-21T07:41:05 < LeelooMinai> "Duck Guts" = something that is "the best one can get/have" 2016-10-21T07:41:19 < LeelooMinai> Duck's* 2016-10-21T07:42:59 < dongs> man 2016-10-21T07:43:02 < dongs> my fucking AMD trash at the office 2016-10-21T07:43:14 < dongs> starts glitching rows of white noise on screen 2016-10-21T07:43:21 < dongs> then after about 1-2 hours just hard crashes 2016-10-21T07:43:37 < dongs> now i need a nvidia card that can do 4096x2160@60hz 2016-10-21T07:43:58 < dongs> [also that isn't $8000] 2016-10-21T07:44:30 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T07:47:36 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-21T07:47:42 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-21T07:47:44 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:ce:d1db:ac56:c069] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T07:49:34 < upgrdman> dongs, go full retard and get a gtx1080 2016-10-21T07:49:50 < dongs> no 2016-10-21T07:49:53 < upgrdman> 3xDP 1xHDMI 1xDVI... plenty enough for trolling IRC with 2016-10-21T07:49:53 < dongs> that IS retard 2016-10-21T07:50:03 < dongs> i refuse to buy a card in 2016 wiht DVI on it 2016-10-21T07:50:06 < upgrdman> well theres the new gtx1050 for like $110 iirc 2016-10-21T07:50:23 < dongs> 50, really? 2016-10-21T07:50:23 < upgrdman> ya 2016-10-21T07:50:25 < upgrdman> but not like 5 montiro support 2016-10-21T07:50:27 < upgrdman> like 2 iirc 2016-10-21T07:50:28 < dongs> for fucks sake why is it still two slots 2016-10-21T07:50:36 < upgrdman> dat heat bro 2016-10-21T07:50:43 < dongs> no 2016-10-21T07:51:00 < dongs> ok that looks great 2016-10-21T07:51:01 < dongs> is it actually OUT 2016-10-21T07:51:03 < dongs> or just announced? 2016-10-21T07:51:25 < dongs> "announces" 2 days ago 2016-10-21T07:51:27 < dongs> sounds like not out. 2016-10-21T07:51:28 < upgrdman> hmm not out yet 2016-10-21T07:51:33 < upgrdman> 1060 is like $200 2016-10-21T07:51:39 < dongs> waste 2016-10-21T07:52:19 < upgrdman> why not just use a gts8800, r2com 2016-10-21T07:52:32 < dongs> fuk 2016-10-21T07:52:33 < upgrdman> 8800 > 980, so it must be better, right? 2016-10-21T07:52:40 < dongs> newegg search doesnt allow selecting ZERO DVI 2016-10-21T07:52:49 < dongs> like this must be an option 2016-10-21T07:52:54 < upgrdman> WTF do you care about no dvi 2016-10-21T07:52:57 < upgrdman> just dont use it 2016-10-21T07:53:00 < dongs> [x] The year is 2016 2016-10-21T07:53:03 < dongs> need this checkbox 2016-10-21T07:53:12 < upgrdman> just fill the DVI port with epoxy 2016-10-21T07:53:18 < upgrdman> to keep the magic pixies inside 2016-10-21T07:53:33 < dongs> it literally wastes space of like 3 minidp connectors 2016-10-21T07:54:07 < dongs> damn 2016-10-21T07:54:13 < dongs> all radeon cards are < $200 2016-10-21T07:54:16 < dongs> all NV trash is > $200 2016-10-21T07:54:23 < dongs> with displayport 2016-10-21T07:54:24 < dongs> aidssssss 2016-10-21T07:54:37 < upgrdman> youre not poor. wtf do you care about $600 2016-10-21T07:54:47 < upgrdman> youve been in japland too long 2016-10-21T07:54:55 < dongs> just principle of it 2016-10-21T07:55:05 < dongs> i might just go and put my old NVS510 into that box 2016-10-21T07:55:07 < dongs> and remove AMD 2016-10-21T07:55:10 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has left ##stm32 [] 2016-10-21T07:55:14 < dongs> only problem is I dont think nvs can do 4096x 2016-10-21T07:55:41 < dongs> Maximum Display Resolution (Digital @ 60Hz)3840x2160 2016-10-21T07:55:41 < dongs> ya fail 2016-10-21T07:55:42 < dongs> fuck 2016-10-21T07:55:53 < upgrdman> your dell's are 4096? 2016-10-21T07:56:32 < upgrdman> dude, gtx1080 can do 8k60 (no joke) ... just buy it 2016-10-21T07:56:41 < dongs> no i have a 31" lg panel at the office, 4096x2160 with GB-R backlight 2016-10-21T07:56:53 < upgrdman> gb-r diff from rgb? 2016-10-21T07:57:07 < dongs> the non-blue-trash, same shit 2016-10-21T07:57:13 < dongs> 1080 is fucking useless 2016-10-21T07:58:57 < dongs> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487205 2016-10-21T07:59:26 < dongs> thats the previous-gen 1050 right? 2016-10-21T07:59:30 < dongs> aka cheapest of cheapest trash 2016-10-21T07:59:33 < upgrdman> isnt 10series more power efficient than 9 series? 2016-10-21T07:59:41 < upgrdman> why buy a 9series now 2016-10-21T07:59:54 < dongs> 1050 is not out 2016-10-21T08:00:03 < dongs> 106/7/80 needs pcie power socket 2016-10-21T08:00:39 < dongs> $100 2016-10-21T08:01:19 < dongs> less GaYmER shit hopefully 2016-10-21T08:02:30 < dongs> lul jap price site still lists D-SUB as a search option 2016-10-21T08:02:32 < dongs> and no displayport 2016-10-21T08:02:56 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f775f5b.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T08:04:33 < dongs> http://www.palit.com/palit/vgapro.php?id=2704&lang=en&pn=NE51060015F9-1061F&tab=sp cheapest in jp 2016-10-21T08:04:53 < dongs> usb-c 2016-10-21T08:05:56 < dongs> http://www.mustardseed.co.jp/products/manli/m-ngtx1060_5rchdp.html haha 'MANLI' video card 2016-10-21T08:06:03 < dongs> fucking japs 2016-10-21T08:06:25 < upgrdman> The design of honeycomb bracket increases airflow by up to 15%, allowing the heat generated from GPU to be exhausted via the honeycomb design bracket. This enables more efficient cooling effects. 2016-10-21T08:06:31 < upgrdman> wonder if thats true 2016-10-21T08:06:43 < upgrdman> like how would peniscomb be more efficient than rectangles 2016-10-21T08:07:56 < upgrdman> 95C 2016-10-21T08:08:16 < upgrdman> inorite 2016-10-21T08:08:24 < dongs> upgrdman: should i buy that palit shit. fuck so useless. or just suffer for another month or two with crashing AMD s ince i only go there once a week and then buy 1050? 2016-10-21T08:08:44 < upgrdman> dongs, if you wanna be cheap i'd wait for 1050 2016-10-21T08:08:55 < dongs> k, closing pages 2016-10-21T08:08:59 < dongs> and hopefully in a month there's gonna be a single slot 1050 2016-10-21T08:09:04 < upgrdman> if nothing else, it prolly more efficient whcih will be cheaper long term too 2016-10-21T08:09:05 < dongs> wihtout a fucking PCIE power connector FUCK HATE THOSE 2016-10-21T08:09:08 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-21T08:09:38 < upgrdman> why no like pcie power? 2016-10-21T08:09:55 < dongs> dumb 2016-10-21T08:10:41 < dongs> oh NICE 2016-10-21T08:10:43 < upgrdman> DrMOS, originally only available for high-end server CPUs, is now available in all its glory in the next generation of Palit graphics cards. DrMOS offers high current circuits, low noise operation, and effective reduction of heat generating. 2016-10-21T08:10:47 < dongs> all 1050 reference designs have no power connector 2016-10-21T08:10:49 < upgrdman> wtf is this gay drmos 2016-10-21T08:10:50 < dongs> so yeah, waiting for sure 2016-10-21T08:11:01 < dongs> upgrdman: lol, its like dual p+nfet package thats used for dc/dc converters 2016-10-21T08:11:14 < dongs> https://www.fairchildsemi.com/product-technology/drmos/ 2016-10-21T08:11:15 < upgrdman> o lol 2016-10-21T08:11:18 < dongs> or i guess fet + driver 2016-10-21T08:11:23 < dongs> but whateve,rf jus bullshit faggot marketing trash 2016-10-21T08:11:37 < upgrdman> i thought it was marketing wanker shit. like Doctor CMOS or someshit 2016-10-21T08:11:56 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-21T08:12:39 < LeelooMinai> Dr Mos is a cousin of Dr Dre 2016-10-21T08:13:46 < dongs> fucking gaymers on 1050 article saying there's no business case for single slot cards 2016-10-21T08:13:54 < dongs> yeah right 2016-10-21T08:14:06 < upgrdman> lol 2016-10-21T08:14:28 < dongs> and wtf whyt are all manufacturers overclocking this crap 2016-10-21T08:14:37 < dongs> nvidia reference: 1290mhz 2016-10-21T08:14:44 < upgrdman> reminds me of when i ask question in ##opengl and everyone assumes im coding for games. like games are not where the money is, bitches. 2016-10-21T08:14:47 < dongs> to-be-released-shit-by-some-gaymer-fags: 1316mhz 2016-10-21T08:16:19 < dongs> http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=6064#kf 2016-10-21T08:16:21 < dongs> this seems to be out 2016-10-21T08:16:52 < upgrdman> why cant monitors catch up 2016-10-21T08:16:58 < upgrdman> wheres my 8k60 ips shitz 2016-10-21T08:20:16 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya i haz gtx1080 2016-10-21T08:20:36 < upgrdman> in a mini-itx case :) 2016-10-21T08:34:45 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: He put you on ignore - be a man and don't talk to him through other people imo:) 2016-10-21T08:36:46 < LeelooMinai> I am trying to find a for c++ objects to pass a function pointer to C-code (for callbacks) - seems pretty tough to do:/ 2016-10-21T08:36:55 < LeelooMinai> find a way* 2016-10-21T08:53:40 -!- maenthrie [maenthrie@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-eqkkhxtsgyiyuspm] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-21T09:02:41 < jadew> LeelooMinai, you can proxy it, but you can only have one object using it at a time 2016-10-21T09:02:41 -!- maenthrie [maenthrie@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-uzqvtowxdludpeqm] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T09:04:12 < LeelooMinai> Right, I need any number of objects. 2016-10-21T09:04:19 < jadew> given that you can't normally define functions at runtime, it's going to be difficult to do it differently 2016-10-21T09:04:32 < LeelooMinai> Well, you can with lambdas. 2016-10-21T09:04:44 < jadew> they're not defined at runtime 2016-10-21T09:04:45 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T09:05:09 < jadew> what you want is a static function which is aware of objects, which is not possible 2016-10-21T09:05:15 < jadew> so you need a static function for each object 2016-10-21T09:05:17 < LeelooMinai> I mean effectivelly they can capture the object this, so it's like having them at runtime. 2016-10-21T09:05:38 < jadew> yeah, but they're not static 2016-10-21T09:05:41 < jadew> they're objects 2016-10-21T09:05:47 < jadew> the function itself is a method 2016-10-21T09:06:36 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T09:06:48 < LeelooMinai> It's not about static/not static 2016-10-21T09:07:01 < jadew> ok, here's the thing 2016-10-21T09:07:18 < LeelooMinai> I need to pass a pointer to a function to FreeRTOS as a callback - but it needs to be ecternal "C" like 2016-10-21T09:07:44 < LeelooMinai> If a lambda could be C-callable it would work, but seems there's not way to do that. 2016-10-21T09:08:10 < jadew> LeelooMinai, that's because they're objects themselves 2016-10-21T09:08:35 < jadew> the function itself can't capture anything 2016-10-21T09:08:37 < LeelooMinai> jadew: That's still not a problem, because you can convert them to function pointers with std:function 2016-10-21T09:08:58 < jadew> std::function is an object too :) 2016-10-21T09:08:58 < LeelooMinai> So I guess problem is that this will still be not callable 2016-10-21T09:08:59 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-21T09:09:03 < jadew> it's a functor 2016-10-21T09:09:16 < jadew> ohsix, nope 2016-10-21T09:09:45 < LeelooMinai> jadew: It's not important what it is inside-like:) THe problem is only that it cannot be directly called from C, but can be called as a plain function from C++ 2016-10-21T09:10:04 < dongs> looks liek we got autistic C++14 pro trio going 2016-10-21T09:10:16 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, but that's because C++ knows to override the () operator 2016-10-21T09:10:19 < dongs> leelooman + o6 + jadew 2016-10-21T09:10:46 < LeelooMinai> dongs' safe space violated again... 2016-10-21T09:11:15 < jadew> LeelooMinai, the difference there is that C++ can call an object's () operator, which is how functors work 2016-10-21T09:11:27 < jadew> while C needs an actual address it can jump to 2016-10-21T09:11:44 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Hmm, I don't think this is the case. 2016-10-21T09:11:49 < jadew> it only works with static functions 2016-10-21T09:11:50 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-21T09:12:18 < dongs> Yet Another Fucking Useless Unmaintaned HAL made strictly for hte purpose of mental masturbation with new and buggy C++ features 2016-10-21T09:12:23 < dongs> how absoultely great 2016-10-21T09:12:24 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T09:12:29 < LeelooMinai> No. I am pretty sure that you can force this to plain function 2016-10-21T09:12:43 < jadew> LeelooMinai, you cannot 2016-10-21T09:13:02 < LeelooMinai> lol, trigger stage II - dongs uses vulgar language and rage escalates 2016-10-21T09:13:18 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Just a sec, I lost that page 2016-10-21T09:13:34 < jadew> the difference between foo(); and std::bind(&SomeClass::bar, &obj)(); is that when bar() is called, this is being passed to it 2016-10-21T09:13:53 < jadew> "this" 2016-10-21T09:14:47 < jadew> bye ohsix 2016-10-21T09:15:09 < dongs> i dont believe even for a second that hes leaving. 2016-10-21T09:15:18 < jadew> and you can't pass this with a C style callback, because your callback caller has no mechanism of remembering which this to pass to the callback 2016-10-21T09:15:33 < jadew> (unless it's build to do so) 2016-10-21T09:15:39 < jadew> dongs, lol 2016-10-21T09:16:44 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I know what you are talking about, but I saw some code where it was casted to plain function... Now I am only not sure - maybe they were using .target call there or something. 2016-10-21T09:16:49 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-21T09:17:04 < jadew> LeelooMinai, the only way that I can think of right now, would be to build a function yourself in memory and pass a pointer to it 2016-10-21T09:17:45 < jadew> unless there's something that already does this behind the scenes, but I don't know about it 2016-10-21T09:18:23 < jadew> by the way, that function you'd build, would basically pass the correct this to the callback 2016-10-21T09:18:39 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I had a weird idea of having two arrays of function pinters. One would be extern C and each of those would call a function from the other one. Then I could pass some index of those arrays to objects and they would just fill the C++ array and use the C one as callback - should work, but probably not efficent much:/ 2016-10-21T09:20:01 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Build a function in memory - that sounds "fun"... :) 2016-10-21T09:20:35 < LeelooMinai> But then, it's just a simple wrapper, since the callback don't even take arguments... 2016-10-21T09:21:39 < jadew> LeelooMinai, that's what you need 2016-10-21T09:21:42 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Now, the question is, would something weird happen if one called those "trampolines" or whatever one would call them, in RAM on ARM? 2016-10-21T09:21:50 < jadew> even if you do it with the arrays, you'd have to build the array at compile time 2016-10-21T09:22:01 < jadew> otherwise each of them will point to the same static function 2016-10-21T09:22:04 < LeelooMinai> Well, fill the entries in it, yes 2016-10-21T09:22:40 < jadew> what trampolines are you talking about? 2016-10-21T09:23:12 < LeelooMinai> The ones that you would create in RAM - so they can be called from FreeRTOS and jump to C++ code. 2016-10-21T09:23:35 < jadew> ah, I don't think it should be any problem 2016-10-21T09:23:57 < jadew> they'd be much easier to create in that environment than say... in windows 2016-10-21T09:24:07 < LeelooMinai> Well, I am not sure... suddenly the code will be executed from RAM... 2016-10-21T09:24:42 < icee> memory is memory on ARM-- with the exception of ITCM and DTCM 2016-10-21T09:25:02 < LeelooMinai> I guess it's alowed, but there may be some weird traps. Also not sure if cache will like it? 2016-10-21T09:25:18 < icee> what ARM are we talking about? there's not cache on most arm microcontrollers 2016-10-21T09:25:20 < LeelooMinai> Aren't there some protection bits on ARMs? 2016-10-21T09:25:24 < LeelooMinai> L4 2016-10-21T09:25:38 < icee> yah, no real cache, just an accelerator to save wait states when running from (relatively slow) flash 2016-10-21T09:25:41 < LeelooMinai> Right, there's FLASH accelerator 2016-10-21T09:25:42 < jadew> LeelooMinai, there are, but only if you configure them 2016-10-21T09:25:49 < LeelooMinai> It should nto matter then. 2016-10-21T09:25:58 < jadew> you can define various chunks of memory from which programs can execute 2016-10-21T09:26:17 < jadew> *code can execute 2016-10-21T09:26:45 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, so taking a void func(void) - what is exactly a difference between a C version and C++... is there even anything? 2016-10-21T09:27:13 < icee> namespaces/name mangling 2016-10-21T09:27:18 < jadew> if it's static and you use the same calling convention, there's no difference 2016-10-21T09:27:40 < LeelooMinai> No, I mean forget the name mangling this is just for callback at runtime. 2016-10-21T09:27:58 < LeelooMinai> So, just and address needs to be passed to some C function. 2016-10-21T09:28:09 < icee> it's just a bl instruction 2016-10-21T09:28:14 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-21T09:28:20 < icee> afk, sleep 2016-10-21T09:28:31 < LeelooMinai> Right, well, plus I will have to fabricate the object call inside. 2016-10-21T09:28:32 < jadew> night 2016-10-21T09:28:52 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-21T09:29:12 < jadew> it would be good if you could have the compiler build it 2016-10-21T09:29:13 < LeelooMinai> So, I guess I will just put opcodes into there directly... 2016-10-21T09:29:17 < jadew> and you would just copy it 2016-10-21T09:29:27 < LeelooMinai> Right, copy some asm at least code. 2016-10-21T09:29:41 < LeelooMinai> And maybe overwrite one place where the object address is. 2016-10-21T09:29:56 < LeelooMinai> Or just steal the thing from the disassembly. 2016-10-21T09:29:57 < jadew> of course, calling it yourself works too, but I don't know how parameters get passed 2016-10-21T09:30:05 < jadew> they might be passed in random registers 2016-10-21T09:30:11 < jadew> which may change every time you compile 2016-10-21T09:30:11 < LeelooMinai> There are no parameters - that's the good thing. 2016-10-21T09:30:20 < jadew> this is a parameter :) 2016-10-21T09:30:27 < jadew> not sure if it has a dedicated register tho 2016-10-21T09:30:30 < LeelooMinai> Well, sans the object one yes 2016-10-21T09:30:46 < LeelooMinai> Ok, thx, I guess I have a plan for tomorrow. 2016-10-21T09:30:56 < jadew> np 2016-10-21T09:30:59 < LeelooMinai> What can go wrong... 2016-10-21T09:31:02 < jadew> hehe 2016-10-21T09:31:07 < jadew> but here's a question 2016-10-21T09:31:13 < jadew> why do it like this at all? 2016-10-21T09:31:20 < jadew> why not just make the callback stuff work with what you have 2016-10-21T09:31:34 < jadew> I thought it's something on a system where you can't change the way the callback is being called 2016-10-21T09:31:42 < jadew> but I assume you have access to everything in your project 2016-10-21T09:31:47 < jadew> so why not just refactor it? 2016-10-21T09:32:26 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Well, take for example FreeRTOS timer functionality. You can have any number of software timers, but for each you need to pass in callback. 2016-10-21T09:32:35 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-24b9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T09:32:50 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Since I use C++/objects, I need the code in them to somehow take care of their own callbacks. 2016-10-21T09:33:17 < jadew> so make it keep a pair of this/callback address 2016-10-21T09:33:23 < LeelooMinai> jadew: So this is not really something I can just hardwire if I want to use this library in generic sense. 2016-10-21T09:33:35 < jadew> and you can even make it so when this is 0, it assumes it' 2016-10-21T09:33:40 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Make what keep? 2016-10-21T09:33:42 < jadew> and you can even make it so when this is 0, it assumes it's a static callback and uses it like that 2016-10-21T09:33:57 < jadew> FreeRTOS 2016-10-21T09:34:45 < LeelooMinai> A, you mean altering FreeRTOS - well, this is a bit, you know, inconvenient, in case I want to upgrade it etc. - would need to change it each time. 2016-10-21T09:35:02 < LeelooMinai> I already changed the versiion once. 2016-10-21T09:35:36 < jadew> so lock the version 2016-10-21T09:35:39 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I guess I could think about it and look tomorrow too - will see. 2016-10-21T09:35:42 < jadew> and keep track of changes 2016-10-21T09:36:05 < emeb_mac> whole lotta shakin' goin' on in dongland 2016-10-21T09:36:10 < LeelooMinai> Right... It would be nice of them if they supported C++ callbacks... 2016-10-21T09:36:26 < LeelooMinai> Would be trivial for them to do, and a lot of benefits. 2016-10-21T09:36:45 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/threed-modelling/Design-Product-11851324/' 2016-10-21T09:36:46 < jadew> LeelooMinai, is it written in C++? 2016-10-21T09:36:49 < dongs> haha 2016-10-21T09:37:19 < emeb_mac> dongs: that's actually not too close to you is it? 2016-10-21T09:37:21 < LeelooMinai> jadew: FreeRTOS? No, it's C, but has detection in headers so it can wrap them in extern "C", but that's all I think. 2016-10-21T09:37:51 < jadew> dongs, hehe, I take it we'll see it on kickstarter soon 2016-10-21T09:38:07 < LeelooMinai> If that freelancer ad would be signed "Shrek" it would be doable 2016-10-21T09:38:07 < jadew> LeelooMinai, than it can't support them 2016-10-21T09:38:22 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I mean they could, with some config switches 2016-10-21T09:38:57 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Hmm... or could they o_O 2016-10-21T09:39:23 < jadew> well, C can't work with objects and those callbacks are objects 2016-10-21T09:39:25 < LeelooMinai> Actually, I don't know if those files can be compiled by g++ 2016-10-21T09:39:42 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I don't mean objects - just C++ voiv void functions would be fine. 2016-10-21T09:40:12 < LeelooMinai> A, damn, no... 2016-10-21T09:40:17 < jadew> :) 2016-10-21T09:40:34 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, but maybe g++ can do it somehow? 2016-10-21T09:40:57 < LeelooMinai> I wonder if that code can be compiled by C++ compiler. 2016-10-21T09:42:01 < LeelooMinai> Obviously the headers can. 2016-10-21T09:43:15 < LeelooMinai> Maybe will test tomorrow. 2016-10-21T09:43:24 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-21T09:43:41 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-21T09:44:37 < LeelooMinai> Ok, I guess I can go to sleep... Even dongs stopped raging, so seems like it's a good time to quetly disappear... 2016-10-21T09:44:49 < jadew> night 2016-10-21T09:53:12 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T09:53:48 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-24b9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-21T10:03:23 < Rajko> 'member C ? awww i member 2016-10-21T10:24:07 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:ce:d1db:ac56:c069] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-21T10:26:56 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-103-26.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T11:02:29 -!- sterna [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T11:11:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-21T11:15:09 -!- c4017_ [~c4017@d173-180-81-120.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T11:15:30 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.170] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T11:18:24 -!- c4017 [~c4017@d173-180-81-120.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-21T11:26:32 < upgrdman> y 2016-10-21T11:29:26 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f775f5b.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-21T11:31:48 < Rajko> my new board requires a 24Mhz crystal, a 25MHz crystal, and a 27MHz crystal 2016-10-21T11:31:50 < Rajko> how consolidate 2016-10-21T11:32:13 < Rajko> cant 2016-10-21T11:32:15 < Rajko> REQUIRED 2016-10-21T11:32:20 < Rajko> for protocol reasons 2016-10-21T11:32:28 < Rajko> usb3 requires 25Mhz for some reason 2016-10-21T11:33:06 < Rajko> 24 is for usb2 2016-10-21T11:33:09 < Rajko> 27 is for video 2016-10-21T11:33:15 < Rajko> ALL HARD REQS 2016-10-21T11:33:40 < Rajko> yes 2016-10-21T11:33:48 < Rajko> because the usb3 one is a FT601 2016-10-21T11:33:55 < Rajko> which cant have any firmware/do anything useful by itself 2016-10-21T11:37:48 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T11:40:31 < Rajko> they dont have a common base tho 2016-10-21T11:43:01 < Rajko> lol i need a 30MHz too 2016-10-21T11:43:04 < Rajko> gj 2016-10-21T11:43:28 < Rajko> gonna be nice spread spectrum from 24-30 2016-10-21T11:50:36 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-21T12:12:12 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-103-26.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-21T12:31:45 -!- sterna [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-21T12:59:54 < karlp> ohsix: what environment is that in? 2016-10-21T13:00:06 < karlp> because gnome has been doing that sort of thing for.... a long time now. 2016-10-21T13:00:13 < karlp> shit just works 2016-10-21T13:08:00 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T13:12:44 -!- stvn [d31e276a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.211.30.39.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T13:14:53 < stvn> stm32h7 2016-10-21T13:21:45 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.170] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-21T13:35:40 < Steffanx> Hello stvn my old friend. I've come to talk with you again 2016-10-21T13:36:33 < stvn> hi thanks for returning 2016-10-21T13:38:32 < Rajko> what is best micro os for stm32 ? 2016-10-21T13:38:35 < stvn> how is the sky? 2016-10-21T13:38:43 < kakimir> irc all day all nite 2016-10-21T13:38:49 < Rajko> is there a stm32 with HS usb2 ? 2016-10-21T13:39:35 < Rajko> native DMA for trasfers, not bitbang lib 2016-10-21T13:39:57 < Steffanx> Rainy stvn. 2016-10-21T13:40:10 < stvn> rained all day here too 2016-10-21T13:40:16 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKWER2UnRuSHdwa2s/view?usp=sharing what causes this error? 2016-10-21T13:40:21 < stvn> must be a leak up there somewhere.... 2016-10-21T13:40:34 < Steffanx> Not sure with phy, but there i support for hs rajko 2016-10-21T13:40:41 < Steffanx> Is 2016-10-21T13:40:49 < Rajko> "with phy" 2016-10-21T13:40:54 < Rajko> i mean the phy would have to be there 2016-10-21T13:41:02 < Rajko> i just mean with buffers and DMA 2016-10-21T13:41:08 < Rajko> vs a barebones lib 2016-10-21T13:41:45 < Steffanx> Not sure if ST has libs for DMAing it. 2016-10-21T13:42:02 < Steffanx> Rajko is finnish? 2016-10-21T13:42:09 < Rajko> i am serbian 2016-10-21T13:42:52 < Steffanx> Aj. 2016-10-21T13:43:02 < Steffanx> We didnt have those yet. 2016-10-21T13:44:40 < Rajko> i wanna make my own embedded pc i think it would be fun 2016-10-21T13:44:50 < Rajko> that 0.6mm pitch BGA kills it tho 2016-10-21T13:45:16 < stvn> somebody can assemble it if you have money 2016-10-21T13:45:33 < Rajko> hobbyist china pcb fabs dont make them that good 2016-10-21T13:46:22 < Rajko> would need 6 layer 4/4 with tiny vias or via-in-pad 2016-10-21T13:46:27 < stvn> you're not exactly asking for the bleeding edge of pub technology 2016-10-21T13:46:39 < Rajko> more than i'd be willing to pay 2016-10-21T13:46:49 < stvn> yeah can get spensive 2016-10-21T13:47:00 < Rajko> 2 layer china is 25$, 4 layer is 50$ 2016-10-21T13:47:10 < Rajko> but only good up to 1mm BGA 2016-10-21T13:47:12 < stvn> haha 2016-10-21T13:47:20 < Rajko> anything more and it goes up to like 400$ 2016-10-21T13:47:43 < stvn> yeah i've heard! 2016-10-21T13:48:57 < Rajko> im just gonna get a premade allwinenr H3 board and try writing baremetal code on it 2016-10-21T13:49:41 < stvn> ok 2016-10-21T13:49:48 < stvn> should get an stm32 board 2016-10-21T13:49:52 < Rajko> i have one 2016-10-21T13:49:53 < Rajko> it sucks 2016-10-21T13:49:59 < stvn> that's a shame 2016-10-21T13:51:05 < Rajko> LeelooMinai, i need your c++ lib ! 2016-10-21T13:51:22 < stvn> do you like gcc too? 2016-10-21T13:51:28 < Rajko> i like c++14 2016-10-21T13:51:30 < Rajko> a lot 2016-10-21T13:51:39 < Rajko> hashin strings at compile time oh boy 2016-10-21T13:55:57 < stvn> sounds crazy mate 2016-10-21T13:56:25 < Rajko> it absolutely eliminates any need for code generation pretty much 2016-10-21T13:56:29 < stvn> i purchased a book on c mate 2016-10-21T13:56:35 < stvn> still waiting for it 2016-10-21T13:56:50 < stvn> do you think a c++ book would ship quicker? 2016-10-21T13:56:51 < Rajko> oh i thought you were an expert 2016-10-21T13:57:15 < Rajko> just read pdfs online 2016-10-21T13:57:15 < stvn> i know enough c to make MCU do stuff, just been out of it for a few years 2016-10-21T13:57:29 < stvn> yeah i have pdf 2016-10-21T13:57:41 < stvn> first or 2nd hit on google is the pdf for the book 2016-10-21T13:59:07 < stvn> i wish the online store had some reasonable shipping time estimates, would have gone elsewhere 2016-10-21T14:01:09 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-21T14:01:34 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T14:15:32 < stvn> Steffanx: have you been busy? 2016-10-21T14:27:42 < Steffanx> I still am 2016-10-21T14:27:51 < Rajko> moving at the speed of glue 2016-10-21T14:29:12 < dongs> http://en.rocketnews24.com/2016/10/20/man-arrested-in-japan-for-stockpiling-throwing-stars-and-knives-because-he-likes-ninja/ RIP zyp 2016-10-21T14:29:30 < kakimir> is there computer programs for automatic reversing pcb:s into nets? 2016-10-21T14:29:38 < dongs> yes 2016-10-21T14:29:45 < dongs> CAM350 can do it 2016-10-21T14:30:03 < dongs> from gerbers 2016-10-21T14:31:07 < kakimir> what if I have physical board? 2016-10-21T14:31:16 < dongs> donno 2016-10-21T14:31:18 < dongs> ask china 2016-10-21T14:31:20 < kakimir> I bet chinese do 2016-10-21T14:32:04 < Rajko> I LIKE NINJA 2016-10-21T14:32:08 < Rajko> kakimir, scan it 2016-10-21T14:32:11 < Rajko> make gerbers 2016-10-21T14:32:11 < dongs> more like 2016-10-21T14:32:14 < dongs> I RIKE NINJA 2016-10-21T14:33:09 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.63.64] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-21T14:34:40 < karlp> kakimir: http://dangerousprototypes.com/store/reverse_engineering 2016-10-21T14:34:53 < dongs> lmao 2016-10-21T14:35:24 < Rajko> CHAYNNAAA 2016-10-21T14:36:18 < Rajko> pretty sure you can just do this at home 2016-10-21T14:36:19 < Rajko> cuz its 2layer only 2016-10-21T14:36:23 < Rajko> just get some sandpaper 2016-10-21T14:36:24 < Rajko> scan it 2016-10-21T14:36:28 < Rajko> then draw the same thing 2016-10-21T14:36:31 < karlp> sure, how cheap is your time 2016-10-21T14:36:45 < karlp> kakimir was asking about getting it done for him 2016-10-21T14:37:09 < Rajko> i think this is a fully automated process 2016-10-21T14:37:12 < Rajko> i dont think yuo get the silk 2016-10-21T14:37:30 < dongs> has silk on the sample board. 2016-10-21T14:37:32 < stvn> filth 2016-10-21T14:37:52 < Rajko> some small asian child manually draws it then ? 2016-10-21T14:38:17 < stvn> yeah 2016-10-21T14:38:33 < karlp> counts as automatic from where I'm sitting :) 2016-10-21T14:39:27 < kakimir> nah I do this in 4hours 2016-10-21T14:39:33 < kakimir> without soldering off anything 2016-10-21T14:39:34 < dongs> cheaper than SnapEDA 2016-10-21T14:44:04 < kakimir> there must be machine based methods 2016-10-21T14:44:16 < stvn> in the dirty rig 2016-10-21T14:44:50 < BrainDamage> backscattering xray should give you the traces fine 2016-10-21T14:45:57 < BrainDamage> then optical overlay for silkscreen, probably with someone that just manually selects the relevant bits 2016-10-21T14:46:50 < stvn> crtz 2016-10-21T14:47:33 < Rajko> i think the protel file you get has proper nets and traces tho ? 2016-10-21T14:48:42 < karlp> nets is just connections, there's no magic in it.... 2016-10-21T14:49:03 < Rajko> yeah i mean its not just a re-vectorization of the scanned traces 2016-10-21T14:49:19 < dongs> ok so fuckit 2016-10-21T14:49:39 < dongs> redid teh stuff using TIM5 update IRQ and write to BDTR from prepared buffer there 2016-10-21T14:49:45 < dongs> no jitter/weirdness at all 2016-10-21T14:57:31 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T15:18:48 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T15:19:42 -!- stvn [d31e276a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.211.30.39.106] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2016-10-21T15:21:39 -!- ac|work [~ardu@178.124.147.109] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2016-10-21T15:23:36 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-21T15:25:23 < dongs> does keeping cpu in __WFI() while busywaiting/waiting for dMA+etc completion reduce power consumption 2016-10-21T15:26:00 < dongs> im gonna guess its slightly lower than while(1) { cocks(); } right? 2016-10-21T15:26:08 < karlp> sure 2016-10-21T15:26:11 < karlp> it'sf ree too 2016-10-21T15:26:21 < dongs> right 2016-10-21T15:26:24 < karlp> as long as you have interrupts that will actually happen 2016-10-21T15:26:39 < dongs> yeah i setup timer update and DMA completion stuff 2016-10-21T15:31:40 < dongs> hmmmmmmmm 2016-10-21T15:31:43 < dongs> wow, its slow 2016-10-21T15:32:50 < karlp> what wakeup time? 2016-10-21T15:33:17 < dongs> adding __WFI() in the busywaits that wait for SPI completion makes those transfers really slow 2016-10-21T15:33:20 < dongs> lols 2016-10-21T15:33:31 < dongs> checking if im actualyl hitting the interrupts etc 2016-10-21T15:35:27 < dongs> heh nope 2016-10-21T15:35:29 < dongs> that would explain it 2016-10-21T15:36:42 < dongs> fucking DMA_ITConfig 2016-10-21T15:36:52 < dongs> taking just DMA_IT_TC 2016-10-21T15:36:56 < dongs> and not DMA_IT_TCIF4 or whatever 2016-10-21T15:37:12 < dongs> i guess makes sense cuz its already assigned to a specific channel 2016-10-21T15:37:17 < dongs> er stream 2016-10-21T15:39:30 < dongs> nice, works 2016-10-21T15:42:19 < dongs> should see what power consumption looks like 2016-10-21T15:51:50 < Laurenceb_> oh yeahhhhhh 2016-10-21T15:52:01 * Laurenceb_ has another paper accepted 2016-10-21T15:52:05 < Laurenceb_> like a boss 2016-10-21T16:00:17 -!- dobson [~dobson@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-21T16:06:21 < kakimir> hello Laurence 2016-10-21T16:08:23 -!- dobson [~dobson@68.ip-149-56-14.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T16:12:20 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T16:13:38 < Laurenceb_> Comment from Editor: I would like to congratulate you on the very high quality of this work, and look forward to publishing it 2016-10-21T16:13:52 < Laurenceb_> an impressed Editor, must be a world first 2016-10-21T16:14:04 < dongs> they probably didnt acutally look at your code 2016-10-21T16:14:49 < kakimir> they looked at it and nobody had the brains to decode it 2016-10-21T16:15:30 < TheSeven> I'm getting spurious ARLO events on i2c, probably due to insufficient SDA pullup - but how do I handle those correctly? 2016-10-21T16:15:32 < TheSeven> it looks like the BUSY flag stays on in an ARLO condition - so how do I tell the I2C peripheral to abort the transfer? 2016-10-21T16:15:33 < TheSeven> I'd have expected that it does that on its own anyway, as there isn't really anything else that it could do in an ARLO condition 2016-10-21T16:15:35 < TheSeven> but even after I set ARLOCF to clear the interrupt (which goes away), BUSY stays high 2016-10-21T16:15:50 < Laurenceb_> TheSeven: in my experience ARLO usually means noise 2016-10-21T16:16:04 < Laurenceb_> I abort on ARLO 2016-10-21T16:16:54 < TheSeven> I don't really care what exactly causes the ARLO as it only happens with a scope hooked up which badly overloads the (internal, way too high resistance) pullups 2016-10-21T16:16:56 < Laurenceb_> ah insufficient pullup, sounds sane 2016-10-21T16:17:19 < TheSeven> but this currently locks up the peripheral, and I need to at least recover from that properly 2016-10-21T16:17:33 < Laurenceb_> does sending a stop work? 2016-10-21T16:17:50 < TheSeven> I haven't tried that, but it seems like the wrong thing to do in an ARLO event 2016-10-21T16:18:01 < Laurenceb_> I don't see why 2016-10-21T16:18:14 < TheSeven> well if I actually lost arbitration on a multi-master bus? 2016-10-21T16:18:21 < Laurenceb_> especially if there are no other master 2016-10-21T16:18:28 < TheSeven> I also see a stop condition on the bus, implicity generated by the lost arbitration itself 2016-10-21T16:18:43 < TheSeven> (and the peripheral letting go of the lines) 2016-10-21T16:18:46 < Laurenceb_> ah 2016-10-21T16:18:56 < TheSeven> so it doesn't keep anything pulled low 2016-10-21T16:19:12 < TheSeven> I've also looked at your stm32-logger code, and you don't seem to do anything in the ARLO case 2016-10-21T16:19:30 < TheSeven> "if we dont have an ARLO error, ensure sending of a stop" 2016-10-21T16:21:00 < TheSeven> the reference manual also doesn't give any guidance what the proper thing to do is - it doesn't even say anything about what state the peripheral will be in after that happens 2016-10-21T16:21:36 < TheSeven> anyway, I guess sending a stop just won't do anything if nothing is pulled low at the time, so I might as well try that 2016-10-21T16:24:16 < Laurenceb_> I haven't seen any serious ARLO conditions 2016-10-21T16:24:18 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T16:26:27 < Laurenceb_> this might help you 2016-10-21T16:26:27 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T16:26:28 < Laurenceb_> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Equine/blob/master/i2c_int.c 2016-10-21T16:26:46 * Laurenceb_ bbl 2016-10-21T16:27:57 < TheSeven> seems very similar to the one I was looking at: https://github.com/Laurenceb/STM32-Logger/blob/master/i2c_int.c 2016-10-21T16:30:23 < TheSeven> issuing a stop condition doesn't seem to make busy go low either 2016-10-21T16:31:12 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-21T16:31:52 < TheSeven> even the stop flag stays high 2016-10-21T16:37:33 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-21T16:48:10 < TheSeven> what seems to work is setting PE to 0 2016-10-21T16:48:14 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T17:03:30 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-21T17:05:39 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-21T17:16:51 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T17:33:58 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T17:37:32 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Lt_Lemming 2016-10-21T17:37:32 < kakimir> are pspice diode models and ltspice diode models the same? 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2016-10-21T21:18:22 < Steffanx> So many websites down due to this large DDoS 2016-10-21T21:20:29 < PaulFertser> If 4chan is up, he'll be fine, I'm sure. 2016-10-21T21:22:48 -!- theAdib [~theadib@dslb-088-074-171-032.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T21:22:54 < Steffanx> but Laurenceb doesnt seem to be up. 2016-10-21T21:23:51 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-21T21:24:31 < Rajko> everyone 2016-10-21T21:24:36 < Rajko> they are linux and open ssh with default password 2016-10-21T21:24:39 < Rajko> or exploitable http server 2016-10-21T21:25:00 < Steffanx> No one would have thought, because .. linux is secure and stuff 2016-10-21T21:26:57 < Rajko> ENCRYPTING HARD DRIVE.... DRAMATIC MUSIC 2016-10-21T21:27:06 < Rajko> I CANT BELIEVE THIS IS HAPPENING 2016-10-21T21:27:18 < PaulFertser> All those massive attacks are done without using any Linux exploits, just default passwords or stupid errors in web-interfaces, right? Nothing to do with the OS itself. 2016-10-21T21:31:23 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.151.198] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T21:51:27 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T21:56:36 < Thorn> not just linux http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/VxWorks-Vulnerabilities-Impact-Numerous-Vendors-517048 2016-10-21T22:08:49 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-57ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T22:10:11 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.151.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-21T22:14:01 < Thorn> https://mobile.twitter.com/esa/status/789513794984828928 2016-10-21T22:14:41 < BrainDamage> can't even resolve twitter 2016-10-21T22:20:27 < Steffanx> nop. 2016-10-21T22:21:52 < Fleck> who cares? yt works! :D 2016-10-21T22:22:00 < kakimir> twitter works 2016-10-21T22:22:04 < kakimir> np 2016-10-21T22:26:15 < kakimir> music time pumps 2016-10-21T22:26:30 < kakimir> showe me something? 2016-10-21T22:26:57 < Thorn> kakimir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fRB27kFOG0 2016-10-21T22:30:30 < kakimir> soldering ultrabucks 2016-10-21T22:30:53 < kakimir> I wonder if there is time period of heat gun that will destroy chips 2016-10-21T22:31:12 < kakimir> flux aon boards may turn brown 2016-10-21T22:31:24 < Steffanx> ultrabucks ... 2016-10-21T22:31:29 < kakimir> I noticed that populating whole panel is more efficients 2016-10-21T22:31:38 < Steffanx> ? 2016-10-21T22:31:54 < kakimir> have boards side by side 2016-10-21T22:32:15 < kakimir> then populate one type of component at time to all boards 2016-10-21T22:32:26 < kakimir> instead of populating one board at the time 2016-10-21T22:34:03 -!- upgrdman_ is now known as upgrdman 2016-10-21T22:34:30 < upgrdman> anyone know of a tool to mount SFTP (SSH) share in windows? im using swish-sftp but it's buggy as fuck. 2016-10-21T22:36:03 < BenderTheMan> For some reason if I do GPIO_Init on PORT B for pin12, and then I do for pin 10 an 11... It breaks my SPI :S 2016-10-21T22:36:42 < BenderTheMan> So If I initialize 3 different pins in 3 calls, it breaks.... 2016-10-21T22:36:56 < upgrdman> englishman, hmm. netdrive looks neat. shame its commercial :/ 2016-10-21T22:37:00 < upgrdman> will look into winscp 2016-10-21T22:37:45 < LeelooMinai> BenderTheMan: If you want help, you will get better chance if you post the code piece you just described 2016-10-21T22:38:23 < upgrdman> https://winscp.net/eng/docs/ui_explorer hmm this look good enough for me. nice 2016-10-21T22:38:45 < LeelooMinai> I use WinSCOp for ages - it's pretty ncie 2016-10-21T22:38:50 < LeelooMinai> SCP 2016-10-21T22:39:32 < LeelooMinai> You can also switch it to two panel mode - so you see local and remote trees. 2016-10-21T22:41:22 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Lh9pTWY5s musics then 2016-10-21T22:46:37 < LeelooMinai> Err 2016-10-21T22:47:23 < LeelooMinai> lol... where is L4? :/ I am pretty sure it was there before... http://i.imgur.com/Wdvl1Mk.png 2016-10-21T22:47:40 < kakimir> englishman: speaking of canada - I have rifle and moose permit now 2016-10-21T22:47:42 < LeelooMinai> http://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers.html 2016-10-21T22:48:54 * upgrdman imagines kakimir trying to hunt moose with a 22LR 2016-10-21T22:49:32 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T22:49:45 < upgrdman> i'd hope so 2016-10-21T22:50:05 < upgrdman> i've seen WOMEN shot with a 22LR repeatedly and survive 2016-10-21T22:50:13 < upgrdman> well one woman 2016-10-21T22:50:38 < LeelooMinai> well, it was a manequiine, but still 2016-10-21T22:50:49 < LeelooMinai> wearing a bulletproof west, but details 2016-10-21T22:51:39 < upgrdman> should hunt with 50BMG. might damage the meat tho ;) 2016-10-21T22:52:08 < sync> I wonder how well 4.6x30 would do 2016-10-21T22:53:11 < kakimir> i have .308 2016-10-21T22:53:14 < kakimir> win 2016-10-21T22:53:36 < kakimir> in european language it's 7,62mm 2016-10-21T22:53:48 < kakimir> *universal 2016-10-21T22:54:47 < kakimir> I have the same size 2016-10-21T22:56:23 < kakimir> I could have grandpas .375 2016-10-21T22:56:29 < kakimir> crazy thing 2016-10-21T22:56:41 < Steffanx> Tapan sinut kakimir. 2016-10-21T22:57:00 < kakimir> imgur lessons today Steffanx ? 2016-10-21T22:57:03 < Steffanx> hah. 2016-10-21T23:01:05 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.375_Weatherby_Magnum#/media/File:.375_Weatherby_Magnum.JPG .375 is the middle one and .308 is left one 2016-10-21T23:01:49 < kakimir> I wonder what for grandpa has that thing.. there is no mammoths left 2016-10-21T23:02:49 < kakimir> maybe it was kind of showing off back then when there wasn't even cars in every house 2016-10-21T23:03:19 < Steffanx> there are no cars in my house 2016-10-21T23:03:34 < kakimir> yo live in city 2016-10-21T23:03:42 < Steffanx> http://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers/stm32-32-bit-arm-cortex-mcus.html?querycriteria=productId=SC1169 there it still is LeelooMinai 2016-10-21T23:03:50 < Steffanx> i guess some indian screwed up 2016-10-21T23:03:53 < Steffanx> i live in a small village kakimir 2016-10-21T23:04:14 < LeelooMinai> Right, found it, but I wonder why it's gone from the main table 2016-10-21T23:04:33 < Steffanx> Screw up is most likely. They have their website managed by some indians 2016-10-21T23:04:39 < kakimir> you have everything near you 2016-10-21T23:04:41 < LeelooMinai> "OMG, they recalled L4" <- first thhought:) 2016-10-21T23:04:51 < kakimir> and use train or a bus 2016-10-21T23:05:05 < Steffanx> I have a car, but its outside my house :P 2016-10-21T23:05:21 < kakimir> proper car? 2016-10-21T23:05:31 < Steffanx> What's your definition of a proper car? 2016-10-21T23:05:51 < LeelooMinai> Hmm I think I don't understand something about Thumb-2 instruction set 2016-10-21T23:06:19 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-21T23:06:20 < LeelooMinai> Aren't they supposed to be a mix of 16-bit and 32-bit opcodes? 2016-10-21T23:07:33 < LeelooMinai> Because my disassembler shows all of opcodes having 32bits, and most of them has MSBs filled with 0 2016-10-21T23:07:43 < LeelooMinai> have* 2016-10-21T23:08:40 < LeelooMinai> Like here: http://i.imgur.com/CTt1y78.png 2016-10-21T23:08:54 < LeelooMinai> The second column is opcode 2016-10-21T23:10:45 < LeelooMinai> I must be missing something.... Are they aligned at 4 bytes? If so, what would be the point... 2016-10-21T23:11:35 < BenderTheMan> So on stm32f030r8, whenever I try to setup any pin on GPIOB port after initializing the SPI, it messes up the SPI. Is it because they are on the same port? I'm using stdperiph 2016-10-21T23:12:18 < Thorn> LeelooMinai: +34, +36, +38, ... 2016-10-21T23:12:38 < LeelooMinai> O, damn... 2016-10-21T23:12:56 < LeelooMinai> So it's just disassembler extending them to 32-bit -that's lame 2016-10-21T23:13:11 < Thorn> looks like the binary display is stupid. it should show individual bytes with spaces. like 0c 4b rather than 0x00000c4b 2016-10-21T23:13:16 < Thorn> yes 2016-10-21T23:13:21 < LeelooMinai> Pff, ok, thx 2016-10-21T23:14:22 < LeelooMinai> BenderTheMan: You were supposed to show the code:) 2016-10-21T23:17:10 < Thorn> also if it's gcc try -Og, it should eliminate repeated instructions and make it more readable 2016-10-21T23:17:40 < LeelooMinai> Right, I am using -Og normally, but needed to force some unoptimizations 2016-10-21T23:19:46 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T23:22:31 < LeelooMinai> Fiund somone reported that display as a bug in... 2011 - good job fixing it:/ 2016-10-21T23:23:28 < Thorn> lol 2016-10-21T23:24:56 < Thorn> oh and btw is 0x00000c4b actually 0c 4b or 4b 0c if the arch is little endian? even more confusion 2016-10-21T23:24:59 < LeelooMinai> The CPU would still load this 32-bit at a time, right? 2016-10-21T23:25:16 < Thorn> I think so 2016-10-21T23:25:43 < LeelooMinai> If they are mixed 16 and 32 bit, do the 32bit ones have to be aligned? 2016-10-21T23:26:08 < LeelooMinai> Because if so, wouldn't it force "holes" sometimes? 2016-10-21T23:27:40 < Thorn> >32-bit Thumb-2 instructions can be half-word aligned 2016-10-21T23:27:52 < LeelooMinai> A, ok, so no holes 2016-10-21T23:28:14 < Thorn> Yiu, 3rd ed, page 150 2016-10-21T23:28:27 < Thorn> *130 2016-10-21T23:28:39 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Who's Yiu? :) 2016-10-21T23:29:03 < Thorn> the guy who designed the architecture and wrote books about it 2016-10-21T23:29:19 < Thorn> https://www.amazon.com/Joseph-Yiu/e/B001IQWINC 2016-10-21T23:29:20 < LeelooMinai> I knew it was an asian... 2016-10-21T23:30:45 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, maybe I should download this book 2016-10-21T23:40:51 < LeelooMinai> Right, nice - I use Eclipse ARM plugins, etc. - would nto integrate with that. 2016-10-21T23:41:21 < LeelooMinai> But that's ok - I just needed too look up some things for this "trampoline" idea from FreeRTOS to my C++ code 2016-10-21T23:41:49 < LeelooMinai> Seems this will be pretty easy - R0 is used for first argumnent, so the this pointer, then bl and done. 2016-10-21T23:42:31 < LeelooMinai> I guess I only need to figure out how to get the address of a method 2016-10-21T23:42:34 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2603:3023:50a:4600:7579:7763:ae20:98cf] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T23:43:48 < LeelooMinai> Well, just a table - since I don't use virtual methods 2016-10-21T23:44:16 < LeelooMinai> Right, I may need to do something weird 2016-10-21T23:44:18 < karlp> Steffanx: what is this ddos going on? seen all sorts of sites down today or slow 2016-10-21T23:44:45 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-21T23:45:16 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-21T23:46:50 < BrainDamage> seen already that 3 times today 2016-10-21T23:46:55 < BrainDamage> not again pls 2016-10-21T23:48:25 < BrainDamage> i've seen 3 discusions in 3 diff channels about the merit of dnssec today --- Day changed Sat Oct 22 2016 2016-10-22T00:01:21 < LeelooMinai> Damn, I tried Segger Ozone debugger and boom: http://i.imgur.com/LZWJY1V.png 2016-10-22T00:01:41 < LeelooMinai> Looks pretty sweet 2016-10-22T00:02:19 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2016-10-22T00:02:41 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-22T00:03:43 < LeelooMinai> I like how I can just expand the source code pieces and it shows disassembly there: http://i.imgur.com/DBIsedH.png 2016-10-22T00:04:01 < LeelooMinai> Segger rules:) 2016-10-22T00:04:11 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T00:05:36 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: you've 10 priority levels? :-O 2016-10-22T00:05:51 < LeelooMinai> Hm? I set it to 16... why 10? 2016-10-22T00:06:12 < LeelooMinai> And what's so strange about it.... 2016-10-22T00:06:14 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: well, at least 10 2016-10-22T00:06:46 < LeelooMinai> PaulFertser: What are you peeking there at, he? 2016-10-22T00:07:17 < PaulFertser> Means you have at least 10 tasks too. All doing things that shouldn't be on the same priority. That sounds strange to me. 2016-10-22T00:07:23 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: your last screenshot. 2016-10-22T00:08:42 < LeelooMinai> A, no, well, I have jsut one task there - I just set it to something higher than idle. There will be maybe 5 or so in the hole application, so maybe I will change it then. 2016-10-22T00:08:48 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-22T00:09:24 < LeelooMinai> Still developing the HAL lib, so the main is just Hangar 18 now:) 2016-10-22T00:12:15 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, that Ozone is not free, but I clicked to accept evaluation mode. I wonder what the limitations are. 2016-10-22T00:12:32 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: is it much better than eclipse? 2016-10-22T00:13:49 < LeelooMinai> Well, for disassembly for sure. For C++ level - maybe not, I don't know. I most often use C++ mode, so this is rather an exception, until I figure out how to make those "thunks" or what they are called for callbacks. 2016-10-22T00:14:10 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, they do not list J-Link EDU as supported by Ozone, but it works... 2016-10-22T00:14:37 < LeelooMinai> Also, seems that evaluation mode has just this dialog there at the beginning of session an that's all - not much of a limitation. 2016-10-22T00:17:09 < LeelooMinai> Well, I think it's fine for C/C++ too: http://i.imgur.com/jrulMJQ.png 2016-10-22T00:17:35 < LeelooMinai> Seems to have all one needs. 2016-10-22T00:18:06 < Thorn> isn't it time limited? 2016-10-22T00:18:34 < LeelooMinai> Also, since this goes through the Segger GDB server right now, I presume it's super-tested and integrated with it. 2016-10-22T00:18:58 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Doesn't seem to be.. https://www.segger.com/ozone.html 2016-10-22T00:19:11 < LeelooMinai> "Ozone can be used with J-Link PLUS, ULTRA+, PRO and J-Trace. With other J-Link models, Ozone can be used without restriction for evaluation purposes. In evaluation mode, you will see the following screen each time a debug session is started" 2016-10-22T00:19:23 < LeelooMinai> But as I wrote, I have cheap J-Link EDU, and no problems. 2016-10-22T00:19:49 < kakimir> I need controlled leakage current of 4microamps 2016-10-22T00:19:53 < LeelooMinai> So EDU is worth it. 2016-10-22T00:19:59 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-22T00:20:07 < kakimir> should not be changed by temperature 2016-10-22T00:20:17 < kakimir> or voltage 2016-10-22T00:20:23 < kakimir> that much 2016-10-22T00:20:39 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Pff... that may be tricky... 2016-10-22T00:21:06 < kakimir> it shouldn't consume any power appart from that leakage 2016-10-22T00:21:15 < kakimir> so active circuit is not an option 2016-10-22T00:21:41 < LeelooMinai> Well, not sure why you think that... 2016-10-22T00:21:52 < kakimir> ultra low power shiettes 2016-10-22T00:22:03 < kakimir> option for constant boot power 2016-10-22T00:22:09 < kakimir> instead of button boot 2016-10-22T00:22:11 < LeelooMinai> You can have battery powered device that just shares ground with your DUT 2016-10-22T00:22:27 < kakimir> there is comparator that consumes 4µA 2016-10-22T00:22:52 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: But what do you care what it consumes - you care about what it sucks from your DUT. 2016-10-22T00:23:32 < kakimir> I donät understand your lingo 2016-10-22T00:23:40 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T00:23:46 < LeelooMinai> Unless you want to be there permanently? Is this for testing or part of the final product? 2016-10-22T00:23:55 < LeelooMinai> What lingo... DUT = device under test 2016-10-22T00:24:16 < kakimir> final 2016-10-22T00:24:23 < kakimir> solution 2016-10-22T00:24:34 < LeelooMinai> Ok, that's more wierd. But still - it could be battery powered if that's acceptable. 2016-10-22T00:25:43 < kakimir> if nothing it should be pretty constant leakage around -20 - 30celsius 2016-10-22T00:26:06 < kakimir> it doesn't need to be constant at 125celsius 2016-10-22T00:26:29 < LeelooMinai> Well, Dave made something for his uCurrent (for testing). 2016-10-22T00:26:32 < LeelooMinai> So, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYOYI_IPKGY 2016-10-22T00:27:03 < LeelooMinai> He does 1μA there, so you could steal it maybe. 2016-10-22T00:27:48 < LeelooMinai> It's a source, but maybe it can be reconfigured to sink too. 2016-10-22T00:29:07 < Thorn> ok are there j-link clones on aliexpress that actually work? 2016-10-22T00:29:43 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: I had one, but Segger figured out how to brick it one day:) So finally I broke and just bought EDU since it's pretty cheap 2016-10-22T00:29:57 < LeelooMinai> So, it's a risk... 2016-10-22T00:30:19 < zyp> I bought one, bricked it before I ever got to use it for anything 2016-10-22T00:30:37 < karlp> yeah, but it's not quite that simple. 2016-10-22T00:30:41 < zyp> but I've used jlink-ob on some nrf shit 2016-10-22T00:30:48 < karlp> I edited the serial to a few different things 2016-10-22T00:30:50 < zyp> and I'm not really a fan of the software 2016-10-22T00:30:53 < Thorn> my saleae clone still works btw 2016-10-22T00:30:55 < karlp> never got it to stop bricking. 2016-10-22T00:31:19 < karlp> well, there's open fw for the logic8 fx2 stuff now 2016-10-22T00:31:27 < karlp> so they dont' even need to rip out the bins from salea 2016-10-22T00:31:29 < LeelooMinai> The EDU one is not that much more expensive. 2016-10-22T00:31:36 < karlp> are you staying within the terms of the edu? 2016-10-22T00:31:46 < karlp> cos if you're not, there's no difference vs just buying a clone 2016-10-22T00:31:46 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I guess 2016-10-22T00:31:49 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-22T00:31:56 < LeelooMinai> I mean I don't sell anything. 2016-10-22T00:32:14 < sync> what is the difference between the v8 and v9 stuff? 2016-10-22T00:32:40 < LeelooMinai> I don't even know. I know that the clone ws 9, but this EDU is 9 2016-10-22T00:32:46 < LeelooMinai> clone was8* 2016-10-22T00:32:53 < Thorn> zyp: weird, I got the impression segger is the duck's guts and bobby dazzler 2016-10-22T00:33:03 < LeelooMinai> And bees knees:) 2016-10-22T00:33:55 < LeelooMinai> "the choice of professionals" 2016-10-22T00:34:14 < zyp> Thorn, probably, if you like GUI shit 2016-10-22T00:34:22 < LeelooMinai> Even bought the Ultimate J-Link 2016-10-22T00:34:33 < LeelooMinai> shoual be not* 2016-10-22T00:34:51 < LeelooMinai> E, I think I need to go eat something. 2016-10-22T00:35:03 < zyp> the jlink gdbserver was kind of a hassle to integrate into scripts to automate shit 2016-10-22T00:35:30 < LeelooMinai> I launch it automatically when debugging with ARM plugin - it has direct support for it. 2016-10-22T00:35:38 < LeelooMinai> From Eclipse that is. 2016-10-22T00:35:45 < zyp> I don't use eclipse 2016-10-22T00:35:57 < LeelooMinai> Well, it has also command line, and GUI 2016-10-22T00:36:04 < zyp> what has? 2016-10-22T00:36:10 < LeelooMinai> gdb server 2016-10-22T00:36:17 < zyp> yeah? that's what I used 2016-10-22T00:36:28 < LeelooMinai> And you had problems? 2016-10-22T00:36:43 < zyp> it was a hassle to script, didn't want to do what I told it always 2016-10-22T00:36:53 < zyp> anyway, brb 2016-10-22T00:37:24 < Thorn> I played with an lpc1768 board with onboard jlink and I remember using command line tools 2016-10-22T00:37:56 < LeelooMinai> Thgey have both modes for almost all the tools I believe - cmd and gui 2016-10-22T00:38:00 < PaulFertser> openocd doesn't brick jlink clones 2016-10-22T00:38:24 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoqav3uEXWI any movie recommends? 2016-10-22T00:38:36 < LeelooMinai> PaulFertser: Yes, but everytime I tried it, there ware some problems - maybe more so 2 years ago or so, but I finally got pissed off and switch to jlink:) 2016-10-22T00:39:05 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: works nicely nowadays, and supports SWO capture too. 2016-10-22T00:39:22 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Watched it long time ago. So-so - nothing spectacular, but not useless I guess if you like this kind of stuff. 2016-10-22T00:40:24 < LeelooMinai> I guess some scanes could be called "spectacular" - if you like a lot of shooting with scary weapons... 2016-10-22T00:40:30 < LeelooMinai> scenes* 2016-10-22T00:41:21 < kakimir> it's the cyber future theme more what I look for 2016-10-22T00:41:52 < karlp> I liked dredd 2016-10-22T00:41:54 < karlp> thought it was really nice 2016-10-22T00:46:56 < LeelooMinai> from recent sci-fi I remember Insterstellar and Edge of Tomorrow were fun, and last Star Trek movie 2016-10-22T00:47:29 < LeelooMinai> + The Planet of the Apes I guess 2016-10-22T00:54:27 < upgrdman> nice. i can consistent crash the pandora tab in chrome when my shit opengl program leaks fucktons of video memory 2016-10-22T00:59:33 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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2016-10-22T01:38:52 < zyp> I know some openevse-based solutions have been tested and approved, or whatever you call it 2016-10-22T01:39:03 < zyp> yeah 2016-10-22T01:39:23 < karlp> UL's kinda differnt in many ways than CE marked. 2016-10-22T01:39:27 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-57ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-22T01:39:35 < karlp> dont' forget CE markings can be self declared in most industries, 2016-10-22T01:39:40 < zyp> I've seen openevse-based stuff even in norway 2016-10-22T01:39:43 < karlp> just puts you on the hook if they fail to meet what you claimed 2016-10-22T01:40:06 < zyp> I'd elaborate, but I got to go in a minute or two 2016-10-22T01:40:12 < zyp> ask me again tomorrow or something 2016-10-22T01:40:37 < zyp> that thing is kinda what I want to make, except better and in a din rail form factor :p 2016-10-22T01:51:22 < LeelooMinai> Found another goodie in Ozone: http://i.imgur.com/LqWgbZH.png 2016-10-22T01:51:56 < 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to solder enamel wire to a pin and ucover a via and the other end there 2016-10-22T02:10:14 < LeelooMinai> Will also test this needle iron tip I bought from Digi 2016-10-22T02:10:21 < kakimir> fair enought 2016-10-22T02:10:28 < kakimir> needle? 2016-10-22T02:10:34 < kakimir> pics? 2016-10-22T02:10:37 < LeelooMinai> See if it was worth extra $2 with respect to Chinese ones:p 2016-10-22T02:10:51 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-22T02:10:56 < LeelooMinai> Well, you know - it's like a cone, but ends with pretty small tip. 2016-10-22T02:11:12 -!- hansihe [sid106603@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mpszmmkpkbhgpyto] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2016-10-22T02:11:38 < LeelooMinai> It wasn't super-expensive, at least for Digikey 2016-10-22T02:11:52 -!- ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T02:11:52 -!- ServerMode/##stm32 [+o ChanServ] by asimov.freenode.net 2016-10-22T02:12:09 < kakimir> I ordered needle tip to ts100 2016-10-22T02:12:44 < LeelooMinai> https://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/aven-tools/17400-N91/243-1230-ND/5658765 2016-10-22T02:12:58 -!- Fleck [~fleck@ns.rullz.lv] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T02:12:58 -!- karlp [~karlp@palmtree.beeroclock.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T02:12:58 -!- johntramp [~john@unaffiliated/johntramp] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T02:12:58 -!- mattbrejza [~mattbrejz@kryten.hexoc.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T02:13:16 < kakimir> I should buy another ts100 2016-10-22T02:13:18 < LeelooMinai> However, at last one thing I noticed already, even without using it. It fits the ceramic heating elemnt very tight, wheres the CHinese stuff is loose and that's already bad. 2016-10-22T02:13:28 < jadew> I only use bigger tips 2016-10-22T02:13:45 -!- CheBuzz is now known as Guest48053 2016-10-22T02:13:47 < jadew> https://americanbeautytools.com/images/pressRelease/pr1.jpg 2016-10-22T02:13:56 -!- Guest48053 [~CheBuzz@204.77.3.219] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-22T02:13:57 -!- Guest48053 [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T02:14:08 < LeelooMinai> Well, I use whatever is the best for the job - it's kind of difficult to solder 4mil wire to a pin with a big tip... 2016-10-22T02:14:08 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T02:14:53 < jadew> ah, forgot you're ship in a bottle kind of things 2016-10-22T02:15:26 < jadew> I do that too sometimes, but I guess I'm just too lazy to change the tip 2016-10-22T02:15:39 < LeelooMinai> Ther's also one tip I would like to try, that is more like knife looking - that probably has better heat transfer and can fit in tight places too. 2016-10-22T02:15:52 -!- mirage335 [~mirage335@64.79.53.118] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T02:16:04 < jadew> the big chisel one? 2016-10-22T02:16:08 < LeelooMinai> I saw it being used by that Apple repair guy. 2016-10-22T02:16:33 < jadew> I use that one too, but I think I'll just get a soldering gun instead 2016-10-22T02:16:47 < LeelooMinai> I think it was more like thsi one: https://img.fasttechcdn.com/105/1058901/1058901-4.jpg 2016-10-22T02:16:57 < jadew> yeah, that one 2016-10-22T02:17:23 < jadew> I think a soldering gun is better for those type of jobs where you would consider that tip 2016-10-22T02:17:29 < LeelooMinai> Ok, going to mod the board, because I am curious if I will get that trace or not. 2016-10-22T02:17:31 < jadew> faster heating 2016-10-22T02:17:33 -!- rager [~rager@lolrav.es] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T02:17:48 < karlp> PeterM: you're awesome :) 2016-10-22T02:17:57 < karlp> going over old notes on fets and prices 2016-10-22T02:18:03 < karlp> ao3400/3401 are fuckign great 2016-10-22T02:18:12 < karlp> totally functional, super cheap 2016-10-22T02:18:25 < karlp> ebay will give me 100 for $2 with free shipping 2016-10-22T02:21:47 < jadew> LeelooMinai, btw, what did you do about those callbacks? 2016-10-22T02:22:08 < karlp> she's evaluating asm trampolines, because c++ makes it easier.... 2016-10-22T02:23:03 < jadew> I take it porting FreeRTOS to use c++ callbacks or take this as a parameter didn't work? 2016-10-22T02:23:36 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I started looking into it, that's how I got into this Ozone, to look at disassembly, and, well, I guess this is a bit yak shaving, but not for long:) 2016-10-22T02:24:06 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I decided to implement it without changing FreeRTOS - seemed more interesting. 2016-10-22T02:24:15 < jadew> got it 2016-10-22T02:24:24 < jadew> btw, you can look at the disassembly without any extra tools 2016-10-22T02:24:37 < LeelooMinai> Already discovered that my disassembler sucks. 2016-10-22T02:24:55 < jadew> -save-temps -fverbose-asm 2016-10-22T02:25:05 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I generate .lst files, sure, but they are pita to read 2016-10-22T02:25:10 < karlp> what dissasmbler were you using? 2016-10-22T02:25:14 < karlp> you never said 2016-10-22T02:25:35 < LeelooMinai> The GNU ARM plugin in Eclipse one - very rudimentary. 2016-10-22T02:26:17 < jadew> I found the output from gcc pretty good 2016-10-22T02:26:20 < LeelooMinai> jadew: But the Ozone one rules - I can see the instructions in place: http://i.imgur.com/UvIDoAg.png 2016-10-22T02:26:37 < jadew> ah, that looks nice 2016-10-22T02:26:40 < LeelooMinai> You just expand them with the + box to the left 2016-10-22T02:26:59 < jadew> is that some stand alone tool? 2016-10-22T02:27:33 < LeelooMinai> Yes, and seems to be not limited if you have even the jlink EDU - you just click a button at the beginning to confirm it's for "educational" use 2016-10-22T02:27:58 < jadew> link? 2016-10-22T02:28:04 < jadew> (can't find it) 2016-10-22T02:28:23 < LeelooMinai> https://www.segger.com/ozone.html 2016-10-22T02:28:29 < jadew> thanks 2016-10-22T02:28:49 < LeelooMinai> O...: Ozone is capable of OS-aware debugging. The current version includes OS-awareness for embOS and FreeRTOS 2016-10-22T02:28:50 < jadew> that looks nice 2016-10-22T02:29:02 < LeelooMinai> Aloha - I need to check this one later too 2016-10-22T02:29:19 < karlp> oocd provides the os awareness for gdb too. 2016-10-22T02:29:26 < karlp> works just fine with freertos at least, 2016-10-22T02:30:34 < LeelooMinai> And that's why I write that firmware for months - because tasty yaks 2016-10-22T02:30:52 < jadew> I get all that functionality from visualgdb tho 2016-10-22T02:32:04 < jadew> but this ozone stuff still looks pretty 2016-10-22T02:32:24 < LeelooMinai> Well, in Eclipse I have it setup pretty good too I must say - I have "stolen" FreeRTOS plugins from NXP (don't as why they work with ST stuff:) and have register views, etc. 2016-10-22T02:32:46 < LeelooMinai> I also have stack shown with FreeRTOS threads. 2016-10-22T02:33:30 < LeelooMinai> It's just that disassembler is lame, but I don't need to use it often. 2016-10-22T02:33:57 < karlp> ffs, a freertos plugin only depends on freertos, how would they even know if it's running on stm32?! 2016-10-22T02:34:44 < LeelooMinai> Yes, well, the NXP plugin is part of NXP IDE tools for their micros though - I just used some part of it - there' was no guarantee that would work at all. 2016-10-22T02:36:42 -!- hansihe [sid106603@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gdjcneivzfigpkcr] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T02:38:27 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T02:47:46 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T02:47:47 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-22T02:48:21 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-22T02:48:53 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T02:50:41 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2603:3023:50a:4600:7579:7763:ae20:98cf] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-22T03:19:49 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, so I have SWO now connected, but I don't think this is enough:/ 2016-10-22T03:26:24 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I think this debugger also can load SVDs 2016-10-22T03:30:50 < LeelooMinai> Yes, very nice: http://i.imgur.com/tWIokhF.png 2016-10-22T03:32:16 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-22T03:46:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T03:52:34 < LeelooMinai> Weird: http://i.imgur.com/rGnIYZw.png 2016-10-22T03:52:44 < LeelooMinai> L4 has ETB 2016-10-22T03:55:28 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-22T03:58:58 < karlp> most devices have ETM in the bigger packages 2016-10-22T03:59:32 < LeelooMinai> Right, I know, with extra pins. but I have J-Link EDU, so I know it's nto supported, but imo ETB through SWO should. 2016-10-22T03:59:46 < LeelooMinai> OR through debugger, I don't know how it works with Segger. 2016-10-22T03:59:58 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T04:08:12 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T04:09:14 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, so, I already see one problem with my thunk code. Seems that bl has limited range, but supposedly linker can fix that, but that won't help me much during runtime... 2016-10-22T04:10:33 < LeelooMinai> But some arm docs has "You can use the .W width specifier to force B to generate a 32-bit instruction in Thumb code.", so maybe I can do that. 2016-10-22T04:10:57 < LeelooMinai> But I think that's just bare B, not BL:/ 2016-10-22T04:12:08 < Thorn> what about blx 2016-10-22T04:12:42 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T04:12:47 < LeelooMinai> Well, looking at this table: http://i.imgur.com/QnmNJZk.png 2016-10-22T04:12:55 < LeelooMinai> Seems to have same range as BL 2016-10-22T04:13:07 < LeelooMinai> I wonder if 4MB is enough - did not even check. 2016-10-22T04:13:42 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:e9b3:a05f:c3dd:8975] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T04:13:51 < Thorn> blx label does not exist in cortex-m 2016-10-22T04:14:27 < Thorn> only blx Rm 2016-10-22T04:14:56 < LeelooMinai> It uses some register as target address? 2016-10-22T04:15:29 < Thorn> yes, like blx r0 2016-10-22T04:17:06 < LeelooMinai> Seems like there at least 400MB distance from RAM to FLASH, so I guess blx Rm it must be anyways 2016-10-22T04:18:39 < LeelooMinai> I guess if I use R1 it should work, as R0-R4 seem to be reserved for parameters, and I use only R0 for this pointer 2016-10-22T04:20:13 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/4eucg2u 2016-10-22T04:20:14 < LeelooMinai> Do I have to worry that some BL may be already in effect? I know this uses the link register to jump back directly, but not sure what are the rules if this happens many times. 2016-10-22T04:21:45 < Thorn> >SAVE THE LR IF YOU NEED TO CALL A SUBROUTINE 2016-10-22T04:21:48 < Thorn> >The BL instruction will destroy the current content of your LR register. So, if your program code 2016-10-22T04:21:48 < Thorn> needs the LR register later, you should save your LR before you use BL. The most common 2016-10-22T04:21:48 < Thorn> method is to push the LR to stack in the beginning of your subroutine. 2016-10-22T04:21:50 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, maybe I can " The usage of a link register allows for faster calls to leaf subroutines. When the subroutine is non-leaf, passing the return address in a register can still result in generation of more efficient code for thunks, e.g. for a function whose sole purpose is to call another function with arguments rearranged in some way." 2016-10-22T04:22:30 < LeelooMinai> Right, ee, so I don't know... this will not necessarily be a "leaf" call. 2016-10-22T04:23:28 < upgrdman> typical black man https://youtu.be/o8Y5D5FkkeU?t=11 2016-10-22T04:25:27 < LeelooMinai> Err... so I push LR in the thunk, do BLX, and then POP LR? 2016-10-22T04:25:56 < Thorn> I guess that's correct 2016-10-22T04:29:06 < LeelooMinai> Wait, does it even make sense... I mean how can the code I jump to know that it shoudl return using LR? 2016-10-22T04:29:58 < Thorn> it's an ABI convention 2016-10-22T04:30:24 < LeelooMinai> Is there some special instruction for return like this or is some flag set or what? 2016-10-22T04:30:45 < Thorn> and btw if you call another function and then return you can do push {lr}; blx rx; pop {pc} 2016-10-22T04:30:56 < Thorn> there is no return instructions in arm 2016-10-22T04:31:09 < LeelooMinai> Pff:) 2016-10-22T04:31:27 < LeelooMinai> So what LR -> PC? 2016-10-22T04:31:27 < Thorn> you can mov pc, lr 2016-10-22T04:32:14 < LeelooMinai> Ok, but then the target sub must know that it must return this way, no? I mean from what I quoted above it seems that you can also return by poping the addres from the stack. 2016-10-22T04:32:25 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-22T04:33:07 < Thorn> your return address is always in lr. that's different from x86 where it's on the stack and ret pops it into IP 2016-10-22T04:33:24 < Thorn> if you need to call another function only then you save lr onto the stack 2016-10-22T04:33:29 < LeelooMinai> So what they meant there: "The usage of a link register allows for faster calls to leaf subroutines. When the subroutine is non-leaf, passing the return address in a register can still result in generation of more efficient code for thunks"? 2016-10-22T04:33:44 < Thorn> that's the difference between leaf and non-leaf subroutines 2016-10-22T04:34:31 < LeelooMinai> So for arm this is always the case? They never pop the ret address? 2016-10-22T04:34:33 < Thorn> do yo need to return to the thunk? or to the thunk's caller? 2016-10-22T04:34:47 < LeelooMinai> To the caller 2016-10-22T04:34:58 < Thorn> then don't bother touching LR at all 2016-10-22T04:35:08 < Thorn> everything will happen magically 2016-10-22T04:35:24 < LeelooMinai> Right, I guess if LR needs to be preserved by convention, then I can just do BLX 2016-10-22T04:41:52 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:e9b3:a05f:c3dd:8975] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-22T04:47:57 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/NLRFsgfERLs?t=7m44s 2016-10-22T04:50:49 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: That video has been removed 2016-10-22T04:51:43 < LeelooMinai> Or account even 2016-10-22T04:54:09 < PeterM> This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been closed. 2016-10-22T04:54:13 < PeterM> well that was quick 2016-10-22T04:54:25 < jadew> unless he had it open for days 2016-10-22T04:54:55 < PeterM> sure, but i meant time between posting here and dissappearing 2016-10-22T04:56:10 < jadew> lol @ the teaser guy, I saw that coming 2016-10-22T04:56:25 < jadew> in fact I was expecting him to die 2016-10-22T04:56:44 < jadew> and he came really close to it 2016-10-22T05:01:13 < LeelooMinai> Maybe he knew there was something wrong with his brain and this was attempt at shock therapy 2016-10-22T05:01:33 < jadew> makes you think tho, how exactly does that work? 2016-10-22T05:02:03 < jadew> I wonder if there's any delay between the electrons going in and the electrons getting pulled from the spoon 2016-10-22T05:02:05 < LeelooMinai> Pretty much like lobotomy - you cut some connections and hope it will improve something:) 2016-10-22T05:02:28 < jadew> the potential would be the same on both sides, only in opposite directions 2016-10-22T05:03:25 < jadew> but is there any chance that they would jump towards the earth first and then the other side get electrons from the earth too (or the reverse) 2016-10-22T05:03:48 < jadew> but not at the same time - that's where I'm getting 2016-10-22T05:04:08 < jadew> because if it did happen at the same time, then he wouldn't have felt it 2016-10-22T05:04:39 < jadew> it would have all gone through the spoon and I doubt there would be a lot of current going through him 2016-10-22T05:04:51 < jadew> the spoon would have a much lower resistance than his body, even through the wet mouth 2016-10-22T05:05:30 < jadew> so if he indeed got shocked, then there must be a delay in there (the electrons didn't travel from electrode to electrode, but from electrode to earth and then from earth to electrode) 2016-10-22T05:06:19 < jadew> which would explain the result (heart in fibrilation + general shock) 2016-10-22T05:06:50 < jadew> could be fake... 2016-10-22T05:07:12 < jadew> I guess there's only one way to find out 2016-10-22T05:08:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-22T05:09:02 < jadew> I'll have to get my hands on a teaser and measure how much current passes through a spoon that's connected to ground through a resistor 2016-10-22T05:09:49 < jadew> kind of what that guy did - you have to be really stupid to play the resistor in this experiment lol 2016-10-22T05:37:09 -!- nikomo [~quassel@nikomo.eu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-22T05:37:16 -!- nikomo [~quassel@nikomo.eu] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T05:42:12 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-22T05:46:47 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T05:47:49 < LeelooMinai> Anyone used something like ARM simulator - for testing simple assembly? I am googling, but not sure which are good and which to avoid. 2016-10-22T05:56:40 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-22T06:04:31 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T06:16:19 < dongs> Thorn: what was that video 2016-10-22T06:16:26 < dongs> did eevblog account get shutdown finally thank fuck 2016-10-22T06:16:43 < LeelooMinai> ^ hater 2016-10-22T06:18:50 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-22T06:28:44 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-22T06:39:25 < LeelooMinai> Ok, nm, downloaded Keil Lite, which has 32k limit, but the simulator seems to be working. 2016-10-22T06:39:47 < LeelooMinai> Or MDK Lite, uVision or what it is called 2016-10-22T06:52:40 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, don't know what its dissasembler is talking to me about:/ 2016-10-22T06:54:47 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/0jI2wcL.png 2016-10-22T06:55:39 < LeelooMinai> So MOV32 is a pseudo-instruction and was supposed to endup as MOV + MOVT. 2016-10-22T06:56:02 < LeelooMinai> So what is that MOVW even - there's no MOVW in the reference... 2016-10-22T07:26:48 < LeelooMinai> The opcodes are weird... You operate on 16 bit immediate value and it's all over the place in the opcode - in 4 pieces... 2016-10-22T07:27:43 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T07:38:25 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f775f5b.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-22T07:41:28 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-22T07:41:39 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T07:42:57 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T07:46:29 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-22T07:46:33 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-22T07:49:53 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-22T07:51:42 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T07:51:55 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0af655.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T07:57:17 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-246.dynamic.sbb.rs] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T08:00:20 -!- Rajko [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-246.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-22T08:07:26 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T08:12:28 -!- rajkosto [~Rajko@cable-178-149-115-246.dynamic.sbb.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-22T08:19:15 < upgrdman> lol this flashlight looks like a sex toy. wtf http://www.lumintop.com/colored-worm.html 2016-10-22T08:19:41 < LeelooMinai> It looks like a flashlint to me... 2016-10-22T08:19:49 < LeelooMinai> flashlight* 2016-10-22T08:21:00 < upgrdman> why is it ribber tho. to tickle your asshole? 2016-10-22T08:21:09 < upgrdman> ribbed* 2016-10-22T08:21:29 < LeelooMinai> So it does not slip from the grip obviously... 2016-10-22T08:21:43 < LeelooMinai> imo you should see a specialist... 2016-10-22T08:22:57 < upgrdman> lol 2016-10-22T08:23:46 < upgrdman> another weird flashlight http://lumintop.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/brightest_flashlight_ps03_lumintop_001.jpg 2016-10-22T08:24:01 < upgrdman> looks like cartoon proportions 2016-10-22T08:24:32 < LeelooMinai> well, you can either make it longer, or thicker 2016-10-22T08:25:40 < upgrdman> ^ dick joke 2016-10-22T08:25:59 < LeelooMinai> As I said, specialist is there -> 2016-10-22T08:31:12 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T08:34:39 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-22T08:48:57 < upgrdman> ohsix, i think he has you on ignore 2016-10-22T09:10:42 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@110.184.60.235] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T09:12:24 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Not finished yet, but the plan is to contruct a small "thunk" im RAM and jump trhough it. 2016-10-22T09:12:58 < LeelooMinai> Would be done if not the Thumb instructions - pretty convoluted opcodes... 2016-10-22T09:15:13 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Fy9BxZJ.jpg fucking japs 2016-10-22T09:15:39 < dongs> this is what i picture LeeManMinai as 2016-10-22T09:16:04 < LeelooMinai> dongs doesn't know to know how I pucture him - that's for sure... 2016-10-22T09:16:08 < LeelooMinai> want to know* 2016-10-22T09:20:15 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-22T09:23:35 < LeelooMinai> lol... https://youtu.be/IPSAUe0yhc8?t=26 2016-10-22T09:25:58 < jadew> are the elections done? 2016-10-22T09:26:31 < LeelooMinai> They are effectively over unless something unnatural happens. 2016-10-22T09:27:10 < LeelooMinai> Like lightning will strike Hilary:) 2016-10-22T09:29:29 < dongs> i think sometime in november 2016-10-22T09:29:37 < dongs> we will be under command of Presient Trump 2016-10-22T09:30:33 < jadew> ah, I thought they were yesterday 2016-10-22T09:30:49 < jadew> someone in the comments said something as if they just happened 2016-10-22T09:31:10 < dongs> no that was another circlejerk. everything until the day is just bullshit speculations 2016-10-22T09:31:26 < dongs> including eaech party paying off various prediction sites to add more % for them 2016-10-22T09:31:41 < jadew> I saw something like 5% for Trump on CNN 2016-10-22T09:32:46 < LeelooMinai> He went downhill from the sex scandal day -he is gone. In fact, he already started some "Trump TV" that is his backup plan. 2016-10-22T09:34:02 < jadew> can't the elections be canceled or something? 2016-10-22T09:34:17 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-22T09:34:23 < dongs> ah, i see y ou're autisming 2016-10-22T09:34:29 < dongs> sorry to interrupt your lovechat with lelooman 2016-10-22T09:34:35 < jadew> lol 2016-10-22T09:34:42 < jadew> I'm talking to ohsix dongs 2016-10-22T09:34:47 < dongs> not much different 2016-10-22T09:36:21 < LeelooMinai> The last debate he did not even fight much - when it was over it was pretty clear even he knew that that is it. 2016-10-22T09:37:00 < LeelooMinai> I guess being a clown has its limitations after all:) 2016-10-22T09:53:07 < Ecco> I guess those are sold at a loss 2016-10-22T09:53:10 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@110.184.60.235] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-22T09:53:29 < Ecco> but what would be a reasonable price for, say, 10'000 GPS chips? 2016-10-22T09:53:42 < Ecco> (I mean bare chips, not even mounted in an enclosure) 2016-10-22T09:54:03 < Ecco> Free Int'l shipping -> Yeah, I'll give that a go 2016-10-22T09:54:08 < Ecco> is there a datasheet somewhere? 2016-10-22T09:55:35 < Ecco> Great 2016-10-22T09:56:16 < Ecco> INdeed, that's a great deal 2016-10-22T09:56:25 < Ecco> Bare GPS chips are like $3 on Aliexpress 2016-10-22T09:57:01 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-22T10:06:58 < Ecco> ohsix: just ordered one! 2016-10-22T10:07:34 < Ecco> Here's the AliExpress link: https://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesale-GPS-chip.html?spm=2114.06010108.0.0.5Jpffb&site=fra&groupsort=1&SearchText=GPS+chip&g=y&SortType=price_asc&initiative_id=SB_20161021225553&needQuery=n&isFreeShip=y 2016-10-22T10:10:44 < dongs> circuitmaker wants me to update 2016-10-22T10:10:46 < dongs> fuckin trash 2016-10-22T10:18:24 < dongs> downloadin' STM32F3 BSDL files 2016-10-22T10:26:15 < PaulFertser> dongs: found a usecase for boundary scanning? 2016-10-22T10:26:58 < dongs> PaulFertser: not at all, using them as pin/pin name templates for making altium symbols 2016-10-22T10:27:38 < PaulFertser> dongs: I thought altium provides some online "vault" with all the popular parts, don't you use that? 2016-10-22T10:27:58 < dongs> PaulFertser: i could but i dislike all the dumb properties they add to them 2016-10-22T10:28:09 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.151.198] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T10:28:13 < dongs> easier to make my own 2016-10-22T10:28:20 < dongs> plus, i dont like how some of hteir shit is drawn 2016-10-22T10:28:42 < PaulFertser> Heh, makes sense. 2016-10-22T10:30:01 < dongs> anyway, just made a grid with those pin/name and pasted into altidong and done 2016-10-22T10:30:21 < dongs> could take vault parts and copypaste them into new library but then i'd have to move shit around the way i want and it would take just as long 2016-10-22T10:35:16 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.151.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-22T10:48:08 < dongs> https://www.crowdsupply.com/yellow-beak-computer/ello-2m how utterly worthless 2016-10-22T10:53:21 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-22T10:56:57 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T11:05:31 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T11:12:40 -!- filt3r [~filter@2a03:b0c0:2:d0::7d:7001] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-22T11:20:23 -!- filt3r [~filter@pietrmar.at] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T11:25:11 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-f1ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T11:29:21 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-22T11:31:13 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T11:52:38 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T11:59:26 < Ecco> I'd like to buy some STM32F412. They seem to be out of stock from all the usual suspects. Any idea how I could get one of those? 2016-10-22T12:02:18 < upgrdman> those HaD commenters again. lolwut http://hackaday.com/2016/10/21/you-might-not-be-able-to-read-this/#comment-3238569 2016-10-22T12:06:59 < dongs> Ecco: verical has 412RG 2016-10-22T12:07:09 < dongs> https://www.verical.com/pd/stmicroelectronics-microcontroller-STM32F412RGT6-2094492 2016-10-22T12:07:31 < dongs> MOQ 5 2016-10-22T12:08:21 < Ecco> crap, wanted to try the LQFP100 version :-/ 2016-10-22T12:08:24 < Ecco> Thanks though 2016-10-22T12:09:02 < dongs> nobody has that one. 2016-10-22T12:09:17 < Ecco> Yeah it seems like they don't even exist 2016-10-22T12:16:32 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-22T12:23:06 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-22T12:38:18 -!- theAdib [~theadib@dslb-088-074-171-032.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T12:38:51 < dongs> hmm wat 2016-10-22T12:39:07 < dongs> Cube doesnt allow selecting IRTIM on F302VC 2016-10-22T12:39:08 -!- c4017__ [~c4017@d173-180-81-120.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T12:39:13 < dongs> but PB9 is listed as having IR_OUT 2016-10-22T12:39:15 < dongs> so which is it ! 2016-10-22T12:42:13 -!- c4017_ [~c4017@d173-180-81-120.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-22T13:01:11 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T13:05:37 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-22T13:14:06 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T13:16:29 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.250.239] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-22T13:38:47 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.151.6] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T13:44:05 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-f1ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T13:44:05 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@c-f1ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-22T13:44:06 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-f1ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-22T13:45:38 < Steffanx> lol that gps is cheap ohsix -_- 2016-10-22T13:46:01 < dongs> but you gotta axe yourself what teh FUCK are you gonna do with a cheap GPS 2016-10-22T13:46:45 < Steffanx> It supposed to be a NEO-M8N so it cannot be that bad. 2016-10-22T13:47:14 < Steffanx> But, no.. i have no real use for it atm 2016-10-22T13:47:16 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@110.184.60.235] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T13:49:21 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-22T13:53:06 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@182.148.37.58] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T13:54:02 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@110.184.60.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-22T13:58:38 -!- Prutheus [~XPS@WB21-0110.STUDFB.UniBw-Muenchen.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T14:01:31 -!- pulsar [~PLS@2a01:4f8:130:4029::1:7] has quit [Quit: *poof*] 2016-10-22T14:09:48 -!- Prutheus [~XPS@WB21-0110.STUDFB.UniBw-Muenchen.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-22T14:11:34 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T14:16:09 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-22T14:19:46 -!- laurence_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T14:19:59 -!- laurence_ is now known as Laurenceb_ 2016-10-22T14:24:26 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-22T14:27:53 < Ecco> Neither do I 2016-10-22T14:27:58 < Ecco> but come on, $.99 :) 2016-10-22T14:29:09 -!- pulsar [~PLS@2a01:4f8:130:4029::1:7] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T14:30:47 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T14:34:46 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-22T14:37:16 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-22T14:38:07 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T14:38:59 < Laurenceb_> music by dongs 2016-10-22T14:39:02 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Bml9uGo3Zws 2016-10-22T14:44:07 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-f1ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T15:01:07 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Quit: ] 2016-10-22T15:03:37 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T15:05:49 < dongs> does canbus on stm require crystal for timing? 2016-10-22T15:05:51 < dongs> or intrc enough 2016-10-22T15:11:05 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.151.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-22T15:15:04 < Steffanx> I've seen people use HSI, but if it's recommended. No idea. 2016-10-22T15:15:10 < Steffanx> Don't know the CAN specs. 2016-10-22T15:15:18 < dongs> cube is so dumb 2016-10-22T15:15:28 < dongs> it puts default USART1 on alternate pins 2016-10-22T15:15:33 < dongs> the ones that bootloader doesnt work from 2016-10-22T15:15:38 < dongs> instead of pa9/10 2016-10-22T15:18:55 < Steffanx> That doesn't make Cube dumb, that makes you dumb for trusting a tool like that :P 2016-10-22T15:19:16 < dongs> no, i saw it before it even finished highlighting the pins 2016-10-22T15:20:00 < dongs> 16.67ms later 2016-10-22T15:23:53 < Fleck> http://tinyurl.com/zp33lc9 2016-10-22T15:24:12 < dongs> Fleck the ignore master 2016-10-22T15:24:26 < dongs> its unfortunate he never produces any actual useful chats 2016-10-22T15:30:18 < Steffanx> He right though. Hi Fleck. 2016-10-22T15:30:43 < Fleck> hi 2016-10-22T15:31:04 < Steffanx> How's your day? Fooling around? 2016-10-22T15:31:27 < Fleck> kindof, yes, sdcc and stm8 today :D 2016-10-22T15:31:38 < Steffanx> stm8 -_- 2016-10-22T15:31:45 < Fleck> you? 2016-10-22T15:32:00 < dongs> stm8 is great 2016-10-22T15:32:17 < Steffanx> /join ##stm8 :) 2016-10-22T15:32:19 < dongs> need englishman's png 2016-10-22T15:32:23 < dongs> comparing with AVR 2016-10-22T15:32:30 < dongs> and 32pin ufqfn 2016-10-22T15:32:35 < dongs> of stm8 2016-10-22T15:32:44 < Fleck> empty 2016-10-22T15:32:53 < Steffanx> Not much, Fleck. Migrating some website stuff. 2016-10-22T15:32:55 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T15:32:56 < Steffanx> Boring stuff :P 2016-10-22T15:32:56 < dongs> Steffanx: most of hte peripherals on stm8 are actually very similar to -32 2016-10-22T15:33:04 < Steffanx> oh ok :) 2016-10-22T15:33:09 < dongs> and stdperiphlib api is like same 2016-10-22T15:33:22 < Fleck> (no wonder tm.) :D 2016-10-22T15:33:27 < Steffanx> HAL alike or pre-hal alike? 2016-10-22T15:33:31 < dongs> pre-hal 2016-10-22T15:33:39 < dongs> they never went full retard on stm8 2016-10-22T15:33:43 < Fleck> no HAL 2016-10-22T15:41:36 < Steffanx> but stm8 requires you to use sdcc Fleck? 2016-10-22T15:42:17 < Fleck> yes 2016-10-22T15:48:42 < dongs> no it doesnt 2016-10-22T15:48:53 < dongs> cosmic stm8 compiler is free and works great with ST's IDE 2016-10-22T15:52:51 < Steffanx> Anyone ever tried that AC6 stuff? 2016-10-22T15:53:19 < Steffanx> The website itself makes be sad. As it looks like its from 2001 and its buggy. 2016-10-22T15:53:41 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T15:53:52 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-22T15:54:19 < Fleck> ;p 2016-10-22T15:56:42 < Steffanx> You know how stupid that looks? Try it in real life.. stick your tongue out and wink. ;) 2016-10-22T15:57:10 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-22T15:59:12 < Fleck> no, let me pick camera and make yt video about it 2016-10-22T16:00:41 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/0402-SMD-resistor-kit-80-values-SMT-pack-1-/331807832202 is this a good deal? 2016-10-22T16:03:13 < dongs> sure, i prefer them in a book tho 2016-10-22T16:03:15 < dongs> for liek $1 more 2016-10-22T16:03:50 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/scam/232010331571 2016-10-22T16:04:13 < Steffanx> That's $4 more. 2016-10-22T16:04:24 < dongs> no 2016-10-22T16:04:37 < dongs> eh ok maybe. 2016-10-22T16:04:42 < Steffanx> :P 2016-10-22T16:04:57 < dongs> that was also the first link 2016-10-22T16:05:21 < Steffanx> but you're right. It's hardly not worth it. Don't waste your time on doing them in a book yourself. ( like kakimir did before ) 2016-10-22T16:05:54 < dongs> one advice tho 2016-10-22T16:06:02 < dongs> actually measure each fucking row before placing it. 2016-10-22T16:06:19 < dongs> by totally dumb luck i decided to measure a value before using it in divider for 1.1V DC/DC 2016-10-22T16:06:19 < kakimir> fuque man 2016-10-22T16:06:29 < kakimir> maybe I need to buy that book 2016-10-22T16:06:31 < dongs> and it was way off. 2016-10-22T16:06:55 < dongs> would have been a nice 4-something V dc/dc instead 2016-10-22T16:07:47 < kakimir> this 0402 set has some mislabeled values 2016-10-22T16:07:57 < dongs> entire strip whould be same values but might be different from what its labeled as 2016-10-22T16:08:00 < kakimir> hand riten nd all 2016-10-22T16:08:04 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-22T16:08:08 < dongs> mine must be from same source. 2016-10-22T16:08:15 < dongs> there's a value written on tehb back 2016-10-22T16:08:16 < kakimir> 46k9 marked as 41 or so 2016-10-22T16:08:38 < dongs> who caresa bout extra 45k or somethign 2016-10-22T16:08:58 < kakimir> *k 2016-10-22T16:12:30 < kakimir> I cannot do a single proper voltage division with thrse 2016-10-22T16:13:07 < kakimir> anyway samplebook is ordered 2016-10-22T16:13:54 < dongs> kikemir, what you need is not a book 2016-10-22T16:14:25 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/raptorbird/programmable-capacitor this is what you need 2016-10-22T16:15:06 < BrainDamage> "Humanity has always blossomed when makers and tinkerers got their hands on the right tools to design a better world." 2016-10-22T16:15:17 < BrainDamage> aaaand now i have cancer 2016-10-22T16:15:50 < dongs> only cancer? 2016-10-22T16:16:29 < dongs> don't forget those awesome 0.5pF capacitors in there 2016-10-22T16:17:15 < BrainDamage> it's just a shitty decade box, and the traces stray cap is likely to be bigger than the cap themselves 2016-10-22T16:17:47 < dongs> correct 2016-10-22T16:18:55 < kakimir> wow totally new thing 2016-10-22T16:18:55 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/dongs/32614356547.html more importantly, shit alredy exists in china 2016-10-22T16:18:58 < kakimir> also shitty 2016-10-22T16:19:35 < BrainDamage> they exist since 50 years 2016-10-22T16:20:08 < dongs> but that budding indian make:r has $7k and you don't 2016-10-22T16:20:46 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.250.239] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T16:58:04 < Lux> kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/0402-SMD-resistor-kit-80-values-SMT-pack-1-/331807832202 is this a good deal? <- usually that stuff labeled handwritten and even the values are off 2016-10-22T16:58:07 < Lux> utter garbage 2016-10-22T16:58:15 < Lux> at least if you are unlucky 2016-10-22T17:00:24 < kakimir> in my set values are accuratelly other values 2016-10-22T17:00:28 < kakimir> than labeled 2016-10-22T17:00:40 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T17:00:44 < kakimir> but actual value is spot on though 2016-10-22T17:00:48 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-22T17:01:04 < kakimir> 4digits or so 2016-10-22T17:09:12 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-22T17:20:36 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T17:29:06 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T17:41:15 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-22T17:42:05 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T17:54:27 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T17:57:38 < Tectu> french compiler? 2016-10-22T18:04:40 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.150.70] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T18:21:23 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T18:28:53 < Steffanx> but does it speak english semi-properly englishman? 2016-10-22T18:33:41 < Fleck> englishman: Cosmic tools for the STM8 family, evaluation version limited to 8k. 2016-10-22T18:33:50 < Fleck> according to their page, not free! 2016-10-22T18:35:12 < Fleck> ohh I see, New!! STM8 free tools with no limits + STM32 free tools up to 32K 2016-10-22T18:35:33 < Steffanx> \o/ 2016-10-22T18:37:07 < Steffanx> ok, i belief you englishman. 2016-10-22T18:41:54 < Fleck> there are many image paste sites 2016-10-22T18:43:41 < Rob235> what is wrong with imgur? just curious. 2016-10-22T18:43:58 < Rob235> oh, never noticed 2016-10-22T18:44:04 < Rob235> haven't been using it that long 2016-10-22T18:44:47 < Rob235> yea I guess I just ignore it, youre right though, if they start changing more into a social site that would be terrible. I like just for storing pics of my projects though 2016-10-22T18:44:54 < Rob235> and its easy to share a quick pic 2016-10-22T18:46:31 < Fleck> onpaste.com seems to be ok... 2016-10-22T18:48:06 < dongs> puu.sh? has some assdroid app too 2016-10-22T18:48:17 < dongs> o wat did that die 2016-10-22T18:48:38 < dongs> http://puush.me/ 2016-10-22T18:48:59 < dongs> huh has no fucking paste-image-to-upload 2016-10-22T18:49:03 < dongs> like imgfailur 2016-10-22T18:49:15 < Steffanx> get some hosting and share yourself englishman. 2016-10-22T18:50:06 < dongs> opensource tools written in python 2016-10-22T18:50:08 < dongs> what do you expect? 2016-10-22T18:50:40 < Steffanx> ugfx image share is bet. Ask Tectu 2016-10-22T18:50:46 < Steffanx> *best 2016-10-22T18:50:50 < dongs> haha 2016-10-22T18:51:06 < BrainDamage> you'd wish it was python 2016-10-22T18:51:08 < BrainDamage> it's php 2016-10-22T18:52:22 < Steffanx> see, ugfx image share is best. It does single album (public) and private image sharing. 2016-10-22T18:52:56 < Steffanx> and is written in best language called: php. 2016-10-22T18:53:17 < dongs> anyone have ~latest~ cube installed? 2016-10-22T18:53:22 < Steffanx> pass. 2016-10-22T18:56:21 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-22T18:57:29 < dongs> clearly avr is superior 2016-10-22T18:57:49 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-22T18:58:24 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.150.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-22T19:00:03 < PaulFertser> Make:rs can't reliably hand-solder QFN; also, arduino compatibility -> code reuse (thanks to the amazing community of talents worldwide) -> faster time-to-market! 2016-10-22T19:00:05 < Rob235> oh noes, it got me to click on a second link: http://imgur.com/gallery/pbFm2nr 2016-10-22T19:06:24 < dongs> nobody with instaleld cube?? 2016-10-22T19:06:27 < dongs> c,mon guize 2016-10-22T19:17:28 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-22T19:18:31 < Thorn> I have cube, state yor request 2016-10-22T19:19:48 < dongs> STM32F302VC project why is IRTIM grayted out 2016-10-22T19:20:40 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T19:23:06 < Thorn> When you activate TIM16 and TIM17 in the pinout view, do not forget to enable the channel1 option with "Output Compare No Output" for both of them. After that, the iRTIM peripheral will be enabled and you can activate it. 2016-10-22T19:23:10 < Thorn> worked for me 2016-10-22T19:23:20 < dongs> ah ok 2016-10-22T19:23:28 < dongs> yeahm i know it needs those 2 timers 2016-10-22T19:23:44 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T19:24:36 < dongs> ya that works 2016-10-22T19:24:37 < dongs> ok 2016-10-22T19:33:52 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.162.90] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T19:35:30 < dongs> thx 2016-10-22T19:45:29 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T19:46:17 < dongs> other than startup file, where are interrupt vectors listed for a family 2016-10-22T19:46:19 < dongs> RM or DS? 2016-10-22T19:47:00 < Steffanx> RM 2016-10-22T19:47:08 < dongs> but where? cant find by obvious keywords 2016-10-22T19:47:09 < Steffanx> At least there for sure, not sure about the DS 2016-10-22T19:47:17 < Steffanx> Interrupts and Events chapter 2016-10-22T19:47:23 < dongs> found 2016-10-22T19:47:24 < dongs> nvic 2016-10-22T20:01:22 < Rob235> theres a built in infrared interface? interesting 2016-10-22T20:05:11 < Rob235> I understand that, but its still interesting to know that it exists 2016-10-22T20:05:23 < dongs> i haxed it in software 2016-10-22T20:05:31 < dongs> but it was jittery 2016-10-22T20:05:34 < dongs> not pro_audio enough 2016-10-22T20:05:39 < dongs> so I redid it using interrupts, worked better 2016-10-22T20:05:46 < dongs> pure hardware solution was jittery 2016-10-22T20:06:10 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T20:08:46 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-f1ebe155.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-22T20:12:00 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@182.148.37.58] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-22T20:16:11 < Rob235> so the new cube is 1.13(.1)? 2016-10-22T20:25:29 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.250.239] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-22T20:28:29 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T20:29:31 -!- theAdib [~theadib@dslb-088-074-171-032.088.074.pools.vodafone-ip.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-22T20:34:09 < Rob235> oh thats f4, didn't realize how varied the versions for each are 2016-10-22T20:42:15 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T20:43:43 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-22T20:59:50 < Steffanx> Time to watch some F1 Rob235 :P 2016-10-22T21:00:22 < Rob235> haha I'm guessing thats an american joke.. I have never watched that shit before 2016-10-22T21:01:48 < Steffanx> American joke? 2016-10-22T21:02:28 < Steffanx> The only thing the is american about it, is that F1 is in Austin ATM 2016-10-22T21:02:33 < Rob235> making fun of Americans because of F1 racing? 2016-10-22T21:02:48 < Rob235> oh 2016-10-22T21:02:55 < Rob235> shows you how much I know 2016-10-22T21:04:26 < Steffanx> Yeah, americans and their indycars 2016-10-22T21:04:39 < Rob235> I like cars and enjoy driving but watching it is so boring 2016-10-22T21:10:19 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T21:13:53 < Steffanx> ;) 2016-10-22T21:25:37 -!- KolK [~kacper@goldnet.4web.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T21:27:11 < KolK> Hi! I'm new to STM32. I'd like to create usb device which will act as network card. Should I create own USB class basing on usb_cdc or there is some easier way? 2016-10-22T21:28:53 < Rob235> wish I could help, I haven't tried USB stuff yet 2016-10-22T21:49:41 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@110.184.60.235] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T21:54:37 -!- dekar__ [~dekar@110.184.60.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-22T21:56:39 < Steffanx> There is a class for ethernet usb stuff KolK 2016-10-22T21:58:11 < Steffanx> where one is part of CDC i believe. 2016-10-22T22:00:49 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@182.148.37.58] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T22:06:39 < zyp> there's multiple 2016-10-22T22:06:49 < zyp> CDC EEM, ECM, NCM 2016-10-22T22:07:15 < zyp> and microsoft's NDIS stuff 2016-10-22T22:07:16 < PaulFertser> RNDIS 2016-10-22T22:08:53 < Steffanx> Is one of them widely supported? RNDIS probably not? 2016-10-22T22:09:11 < PaulFertser> All of them are in wide use I'd say. 2016-10-22T22:09:32 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.250.239] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T22:09:38 < zyp> idk about driverless on windows, RNDIS might be easiest 2016-10-22T22:10:39 < Steffanx> No official RNDIS support for OS X is what my 1 minute google session told me. 2016-10-22T22:11:07 < Rob235> boo 2016-10-22T22:11:45 < zyp> ECM probably best choice 2016-10-22T22:11:51 < Steffanx> but yeah. it all depends on KolK's needs 2016-10-22T22:11:58 < zyp> NCM is a more modern high performance thing 2016-10-22T22:12:23 < zyp> when I worked with phone stuff, some of them were running NCM over HSIC as the interface towards modem 2016-10-22T22:15:29 < zyp> how about the table top? 2016-10-22T22:16:17 < zyp> I haven't looked at the details, but NCM sounds overkill 2016-10-22T22:16:40 < zyp> and probably a waste of time if you want your device to work with other stuff than linux 2016-10-22T22:17:38 < Steffanx> I use the table top as my mouse pad too. 2016-10-22T22:17:50 < zyp> haha 2016-10-22T22:18:10 < zyp> R2COM, as in not using a mouse pad at all 2016-10-22T22:18:17 < zyp> just use mouse directly on your desk 2016-10-22T22:18:39 < zyp> doesn't even need to be a super fancy mouse 2016-10-22T22:19:06 < zyp> I've got a 12 year old logitech mx510, it works just fine like that 2016-10-22T22:19:22 < zyp> wtf kinda shit desk do you have? 2016-10-22T22:20:19 < zyp> heh 2016-10-22T22:20:29 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-22T22:20:54 < zyp> how do you rest your arm if you use the mouse close to the desk edge? 2016-10-22T22:24:01 < Steffanx> hehe 2016-10-22T22:24:18 < zyp> when I was a dumb teenager, I had one of those glass mousepads 2016-10-22T22:24:29 < zyp> icemat I think they were called 2016-10-22T22:24:49 < Steffanx> Real gamer? 2016-10-22T22:25:12 < zyp> managed to crack it, and since I didn't have anything else on hand, I just used the table and got so used to that that I never bothered getting another 2016-10-22T22:25:29 < zyp> Steffanx, nah, not really 2016-10-22T22:25:50 < zyp> played some games for fun, of course 2016-10-22T22:25:55 < zyp> CS with friends and shit 2016-10-22T22:26:08 < zyp> but I never got really into it and actually got good :p 2016-10-22T22:27:58 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.162.90] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-22T22:43:12 < Rob235> anyone watching westworld? 2016-10-22T22:44:39 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@182.148.37.58] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-22T22:49:38 < Steffanx> Yep. 2016-10-22T22:53:02 < Rob235> I'm rewatching episodes 1 and 2, haven't seen 3 yet 2016-10-22T22:53:51 < Steffanx> rewatching.. 2016-10-22T22:54:23 < Steffanx> imho its not that great to rewatch it. 2016-10-22T22:54:25 < Rob235> yea, I was curious to watch the first episode again after getting an idea of what's going on 2016-10-22T22:56:07 < Rob235> doubt i'll rewatch ep2 2016-10-22T22:58:09 < Steffanx> old ? 2016-10-22T23:00:41 < Rob235> must be, that is the one I have too though :) 2016-10-22T23:01:28 < Steffanx> Better buy some more. For that munny.. 2016-10-22T23:01:34 < Steffanx> *money 2016-10-22T23:01:53 < Rob235> oh I didnt click on it, wow 2016-10-22T23:01:59 < Rob235> why? 2016-10-22T23:02:32 < Steffanx> Some chinese got his hands on some huge stock i guess. 2016-10-22T23:03:05 < KolK> I know about usb cdc interface classes. I'd like to know if there is an implementation for ethernet over usb which will fit to cube hal. 2016-10-22T23:08:05 < Rob235> just ordered 4 for $3.88 2016-10-22T23:08:39 < Steffanx> :) 2016-10-22T23:09:08 < Rob235> thanks for the link :) 2016-10-22T23:09:13 < Steffanx> KolK as channel tab keeper i dont recall anyone doing that in here. 2016-10-22T23:10:05 < Rob235> thats the one I have but I've only tested it indoors, the m8n 2016-10-22T23:12:18 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T23:14:01 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_QoWa6qXeo 2016-10-22T23:15:05 < Steffanx> I thank you from the deepest of my heart Fleck 2016-10-22T23:15:17 < Steffanx> *bottom 2016-10-22T23:15:30 < Fleck> sarcasm, huh? 2016-10-22T23:15:37 < Steffanx> Absolutely. :P 2016-10-22T23:18:00 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-22T23:20:52 < LeelooMinai> flyback Are you mad? As MCU RTC? 2016-10-22T23:23:01 < Rob235> oh shit they don't have nmea support 2016-10-22T23:24:29 < Rob235> reading helps 2016-10-22T23:25:32 < LeelooMinai> flyback is stuck in 70s or 80s I think - he thinks that reusing obscure MCUs from random PCBs is a good idea 2016-10-22T23:26:03 < LeelooMinai> flyback: Wakey, waky! It's 2015:) 2016-10-22T23:26:14 < LeelooMinai> Or is it o_O 2016-10-22T23:29:52 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-22T23:37:57 < Rob235> ? 2016-10-22T23:38:22 < LeelooMinai> Rob235: I see you don't know flyback... Well, now you know:p 2016-10-22T23:38:32 < Rob235> I've seen the name before 2016-10-22T23:39:18 < LeelooMinai> flyback: I thought you were supposed to die like 3 years ago, and 2, and 1... I guess hypohondria is not fatal:p 2016-10-22T23:40:08 < LeelooMinai> ch 2016-10-22T23:40:41 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-22T23:40:55 < LeelooMinai> lol... sure 2016-10-22T23:41:51 < LeelooMinai> I am not scared - I choose to do so:) 2016-10-22T23:42:29 < LeelooMinai> RL is overrated 2016-10-22T23:43:17 < LeelooMinai> There's #2 coming next year I think 2016-10-22T23:43:49 < LeelooMinai> That's weird... It's not like they could not make it without him. 2016-10-22T23:44:31 < LeelooMinai> Maybe it was a metaphore... 2016-10-22T23:46:06 < LeelooMinai> flyback: Relax... I don't think you should be reading too much articles about people dying:p 2016-10-22T23:48:07 < LeelooMinai> O, man, what did I do... 2016-10-22T23:49:04 < LeelooMinai> flyback: Happy thoughts! Dying thoughts - bad! Happy thoughts - good! 2016-10-22T23:49:39 < LeelooMinai> ... 2016-10-22T23:50:44 < LeelooMinai> CNC, micros, etc. - usual I guess 2016-10-22T23:51:38 < LeelooMinai> OK... 2016-10-22T23:52:07 < LeelooMinai> https://media.giphy.com/media/4pMX5rJ4PYAEM/giphy.gif 2016-10-22T23:54:15 < LeelooMinai> Sounds great... 2016-10-22T23:55:25 < LeelooMinai> Not really into arcs I guess 2016-10-22T23:56:05 < zyp> wtf are you guys going on about? 2016-10-22T23:56:08 < LeelooMinai> flyback: How come you are not banned here btw? :p 2016-10-22T23:56:17 < zyp> you guys and LeelooMinai* 2016-10-22T23:56:41 < LeelooMinai> flyback: You behave better nowadays? 2016-10-22T23:57:22 < LeelooMinai> Medication? :) 2016-10-22T23:57:54 < LeelooMinai> Or meditation? 2016-10-22T23:58:36 < LeelooMinai> Good I guess - I knew you will not really die... --- Day changed Sun Oct 23 2016 2016-10-23T00:00:29 < LeelooMinai> Buy yourself a box with weekday names:p 2016-10-23T00:00:42 < Rob235> yea those are great for that 2016-10-23T00:01:13 < LeelooMinai> Well, if you see a compartment empty that means you already took it <- a hint 2016-10-23T00:01:49 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T00:02:12 < LeelooMinai> Maybe that's a panic attack-like or something 2016-10-23T00:04:18 < LeelooMinai> Yes, you definitelly need those boxes imo then:) 2016-10-23T00:04:56 < LeelooMinai> flyback: Man, not again... not bowel stories, please:) 2016-10-23T00:05:11 < Rob235> Too many meds scares me, I just take celexa, but you gotta do what you gotta do. I think LeelooMinai's idea with the week boxes is best 2016-10-23T00:05:24 -!- KolK [~kacper@goldnet.4web.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-23T00:06:43 < LeelooMinai> Maybe you think about those things too much... 2016-10-23T00:07:30 < LeelooMinai> I wonder if they make some high-tech boxes like that that actually detect if a does was not taken and sound an alarm or something:) 2016-10-23T00:07:38 < LeelooMinai> Kickstarter project idea! 2016-10-23T00:07:50 < LeelooMinai> does=dose 2016-10-23T00:07:50 < Rob235> not a bad idea 2016-10-23T00:08:09 < sync> well, you can only really detect if something is in it or not 2016-10-23T00:08:32 < Rob235> actually I think I have seen personal pill dispensing machines 2016-10-23T00:08:35 < LeelooMinai> Yes, well, it would assume you fill it right. 2016-10-23T00:09:13 < Rob235> yea I didnt get it either 2016-10-23T00:09:29 < Rob235> some naza decoder driver or something 2016-10-23T00:09:44 < LeelooMinai> Exactly, how cannot it have NMEA. What is NMEA btw? 2016-10-23T00:09:59 < Rob235> https://t.co/kNlnVWkUvX 2016-10-23T00:10:05 < Rob235> I haven't looked at it yet 2016-10-23T00:10:21 < Rob235> the documentation for the naza decoder 2016-10-23T00:11:31 < Rob235> nmea is a protocol or something to send 'sentences' (specific lines of serial data with whatever info you set the gps module to spit out) 2016-10-23T00:11:42 < Rob235> i believe? 2016-10-23T00:12:01 < LeelooMinai> Isn't it supossed to be some no-brainer solution where you just boot it and read the position through serial or something? 2016-10-23T00:12:21 < Rob235> yea but you choose what kind of info gets sent through serial 2016-10-23T00:12:26 < Rob235> you can have just the basics 2016-10-23T00:12:36 < Rob235> or add in # satellites and tons of other stuff 2016-10-23T00:12:37 < LeelooMinai> I mean if it can report position with some decent accuracy, that's a win imo and that's all one needs to know. 2016-10-23T00:13:16 < LeelooMinai> A, right, ok, well I guess someone maybe did test it, did a teardown, somewhere already (?) 2016-10-23T00:14:32 < Rob235> yea I can't see it being a big issue, just curious to see how they compare to the one I have. 2016-10-23T00:14:50 < LeelooMinai> englishman: I order it from ebay.ca for 99 cents too 2016-10-23T00:14:51 < Rob235> ehh its $5 2016-10-23T00:15:06 < LeelooMinai> englishman: Just type the name there 2016-10-23T00:15:29 < Rob235> you are all canadian? 2016-10-23T00:15:34 < LeelooMinai> Probably will end up sitting in a box for years, like all other "bargains" :) 2016-10-23T00:15:45 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-23T00:16:27 < LeelooMinai> Rob235: If you see someone not cursing like dongs on every step, it may be a Canadian:p 2016-10-23T00:16:39 < Rob235> I'll add them all to my drone and average the values, then if I ever need one for another project I'll take it from the drone 2016-10-23T00:16:51 < Rob235> :) 2016-10-23T00:17:19 < Rob235> yea 2016-10-23T00:17:30 < LeelooMinai> 32 bit they claim - whatever I guess 2016-10-23T00:18:26 < Rob235> yea 2016-10-23T00:18:48 < Rob235> I have one that supports nmea, can I read that fw and flash it on these new ones? 2016-10-23T00:18:51 < Rob235> what mcu is it? 2016-10-23T00:19:31 < LeelooMinai> Maybe they did not scratch the markings of, so if you get it... :) 2016-10-23T00:20:04 < Rob235> no, they just are wired to be used with dji stuff 2016-10-23T00:20:23 < Rob235> its split into two connectors 2016-10-23T00:20:52 < Rob235> let me grab mine, not that I know what I'm doing 2016-10-23T00:22:25 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-23T00:25:37 < Rob235> I'm not gonna lie, I'm still trying to open up the damn thing without cracking the housing 2016-10-23T00:26:38 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.250.239] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-23T00:26:41 < LeelooMinai> Angle grinder? 2016-10-23T00:30:35 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T00:34:17 < Rob235> oh damn, there are screws! 2016-10-23T00:34:21 < Rob235> http://www.thanksbuyer.com/image/ebayimages/topskyrc/data/201507/41006/1437730906-4.jpg 2016-10-23T00:34:33 < Rob235> I already stuck mine to a gps stand 2016-10-23T00:34:35 < Rob235> I cant see the bottom 2016-10-23T00:34:45 < Rob235> I feel smart 2016-10-23T00:34:52 < Steffanx> i wonder what IC that is at the middle bottom 2016-10-23T00:35:03 < Steffanx> *uc 2016-10-23T00:35:41 < upgrdman> looks like a lithium cell soldered to that gps pcb? 2016-10-23T00:35:42 < upgrdman> wut for 2016-10-23T00:36:30 < Rob235> does it have rtc? 2016-10-23T00:36:34 < Rob235> oh 2016-10-23T00:39:58 < upgrdman> to the lithium cell powers some SRAM in the gps? 2016-10-23T00:40:04 < upgrdman> or the whole gps 2016-10-23T00:42:30 < Steffanx> You could be right englishman. The rx/tx seem to be on the right spot 2016-10-23T00:43:12 < Steffanx> which indeed goes to the spi port. 2016-10-23T00:44:49 < Steffanx> Standard uart is most likely then 2016-10-23T00:45:27 < Steffanx> Exactly 2016-10-23T00:45:29 < Rob235> yea I just read it over standard uart 2016-10-23T00:56:21 < Rob235> so you said it connects to the ublox over spi? 2016-10-23T00:56:31 < Rob235> what does it transfer 2016-10-23T01:00:14 -!- emeryth [~emeryth@hackerspace.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 2016-10-23T01:05:59 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-23T01:06:00 -!- ReadError [readerror@ec2-50-19-189-163.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-23T01:06:15 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T01:09:50 -!- ReadError [readerror@ec2-50-19-189-163.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T01:10:51 -!- emeryth [~emeryth@hackerspace.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T01:10:56 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-23T01:11:38 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T01:12:30 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T01:15:03 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-23T01:15:37 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T01:26:11 < Rob235> LeelooMinai: you here? 2016-10-23T01:30:53 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@bas2-toronto26-2925094753.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-23T01:32:19 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@bas2-toronto26-3096699215.dsl.bell.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T01:33:00 < Laurenceb_> ohsix confirmed as cuck 2016-10-23T01:33:15 < Laurenceb_> but we knew that already 2016-10-23T01:36:06 < Laurenceb_> no homo https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0XbLz0L6UdI 2016-10-23T01:36:10 < Laurenceb_> R2COM spotted 2016-10-23T01:37:22 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@bas2-toronto26-3096699215.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-23T01:38:06 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-23T01:39:28 -!- ohama [ohama@cicolina.org] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T01:43:39 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-23T01:43:45 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@bas2-toronto26-3096699215.dsl.bell.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T01:52:34 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-23T01:53:01 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T01:56:55 < Laurenceb_> found ohsix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Lansky 2016-10-23T01:59:40 < kakimir> hello pumppies 2016-10-23T02:00:36 < Laurenceb_> pumping intensifies 2016-10-23T02:02:12 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@79.136.64.170] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T02:02:45 < LeelooMinai> Found entire #stm32: https://cdn.psychologytoday.com/sites/default/files/blogs/140259/2014/06/152165-155592.jpg 2016-10-23T02:04:19 < aandrew> I'm the one taking that picture 2016-10-23T02:04:52 < LeelooMinai> It's from the time I was not even here <- disclaimer 2016-10-23T02:04:57 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T02:06:59 < LeelooMinai> But I think it goes like this: http://i.imgur.com/IuVHPLW.png 2016-10-23T02:11:56 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-23T02:12:18 < kakimir> how soon brexit Laurenceb_ ? 2016-10-23T02:12:27 < aandrew> Laurenceb_ is on the right and kakimir is the guy on the upper left looking away. I think englishman is the one with has back to the camera 2016-10-23T02:22:30 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-23T02:25:31 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: http://termite.apcdn.com/full/142101.jpg 2016-10-23T02:31:32 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T02:36:06 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T02:48:07 < LeelooMinai> "O, so all I need is to prefabricate instruction that moves 32 bit value to a register" 2016-10-23T02:48:31 < LeelooMinai> One hour later. The "plan": http://i.imgur.com/SXzfJ3S.png 2016-10-23T03:01:52 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T03:14:28 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@79.136.64.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-23T03:22:13 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-23T03:40:34 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-23T03:56:54 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/Oi3OsKj.gifv 2016-10-23T04:00:39 -!- Jak_o_Shadows1 [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T04:01:06 < upgrdman> yo 2016-10-23T04:02:00 < upgrdman> kids a natural 2016-10-23T04:02:21 < LeelooMinai> Immitating the father:/ 2016-10-23T04:02:24 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-23T04:03:16 < aandrew> well he did grab her by the pussy... 2016-10-23T04:03:24 < aandrew> do you refer to inflatable dolls as "her" ? 2016-10-23T04:03:31 < aandrew> they don't come up much in conversation 2016-10-23T04:03:38 < LeelooMinai> Small Trumpangutan? 2016-10-23T04:03:42 < upgrdman> unless it has an inflatable penis, aandrew 2016-10-23T04:04:13 < LeelooMinai> And the rat ate the dog 2016-10-23T04:04:59 < upgrdman> lol 2016-10-23T04:06:33 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T04:06:50 < upgrdman> good dog 2016-10-23T04:07:18 < upgrdman> "are you proud of me, master?" 2016-10-23T04:08:58 < LeelooMinai> Rats can spread diseases - I would not let the dog do that... 2016-10-23T04:09:33 < upgrdman> do you make Raid but for rats? 2016-10-23T04:09:43 < upgrdman> like an aerosol fast acting poison 2016-10-23T04:10:31 < upgrdman> then i guess pistol whip the rat 2016-10-23T04:10:57 < upgrdman> i said whip not shoot 2016-10-23T04:11:01 < upgrdman> but ya, mallet maybe 2016-10-23T04:11:16 < upgrdman> "smash" ... oops. now their rat mist all over the place 2016-10-23T04:11:31 < aandrew> R2COM: what language is that 2016-10-23T04:11:35 < upgrdman> .ru 2016-10-23T04:11:37 < upgrdman> i think 2016-10-23T04:12:50 < aandrew> actually I learned recently that terriers and daschunds are *excellent* vermin hunters 2016-10-23T04:13:17 < LeelooMinai> Dogs can scream like people too - I watched some sad video with a dog that was abused. 2016-10-23T04:13:47 < LeelooMinai> Scary stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3aFfz-2jEY 2016-10-23T04:15:20 < aandrew> that's hard to watch 2016-10-23T04:15:27 < LeelooMinai> Psychopaths psyhopath I guess 2016-10-23T04:16:35 < aandrew> wow that is hard to watch 2016-10-23T04:16:37 < aandrew> poor thing 2016-10-23T04:16:49 < aandrew> I'd like to lay a hand or two on the sick fuck that did that to the dog though 2016-10-23T04:16:50 < aandrew> jesus 2016-10-23T04:17:28 < LeelooMinai> Probably not an "animal lover" type:) 2016-10-23T04:18:54 < aandrew> no 2016-10-23T04:18:58 < aandrew> that's not "not an animal lover" 2016-10-23T04:19:03 < aandrew> that's a fucking psychopath 2016-10-23T04:23:36 * LeelooMinai sees the CPU jumping into the address ending with 1 and thinks "this will not end well..." 2016-10-23T04:26:14 < LeelooMinai> I really like this Ozone debugger though. 2016-10-23T04:28:42 < LeelooMinai> But I need something that will have only function keys that I could put to the side of my hand. No idea what an idiot thought that function keys on top of keyboards should be the standard layout. 2016-10-23T04:34:18 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, weird, casted a method address to a pointer and it ended up with bit 1 set to 1... 2016-10-23T04:37:18 < LeelooMinai> What kind of dark magic is this: http://i.imgur.com/5St384W.png 2016-10-23T04:45:00 < LeelooMinai> I could set it to 0, but... 2016-10-23T04:53:27 < LeelooMinai> A, ok, it seems to be normal - this just indicates that the target is thumb when used in a branch instruction. Strange that case did that automatically. 2016-10-23T04:53:40 < LeelooMinai> cast not case* 2016-10-23T05:00:29 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/0KBNQNV.gif 2016-10-23T05:02:16 < dongs> R2COM parenting ^ 2016-10-23T05:15:36 < aandrew> dongs: hahaha 2016-10-23T05:18:57 < ReadErr> R2COM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlLFTI24Qkw 2016-10-23T05:19:04 < ReadErr> how trump trolled himself 2016-10-23T05:23:36 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-23T05:29:02 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-23T05:30:36 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T05:31:40 -!- BillS [~IceChat9@112.201.14.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T05:32:20 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-23T05:32:24 < aandrew> that's actually got some really damn good points 2016-10-23T05:32:43 < BillS> Hi all -- American in the Philippines 2016-10-23T05:32:47 < aandrew> I didn't really look at how hilary baited trump and how he totally swallowed it hook line and sinker every time 2016-10-23T05:32:55 < aandrew> hey BillS, you were here a couple weeks ago I think 2016-10-23T05:33:18 < BillS> aandrew, yes I was. Curious what the chatter is today. 2016-10-23T05:33:24 < ReadErr> aandrew: yea, and after the 30 minute mark he was useless 2016-10-23T05:33:27 < ReadErr> every time 2016-10-23T05:33:41 < ReadErr> didnt notice that during the debate but makes sense now 2016-10-23T05:34:06 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T05:34:22 < BillS> Wondering which version of the ARM is being discussed. No nothing about the ARM-Trump or ARM-Hillary. 2016-10-23T05:34:38 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-23T05:34:56 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T05:35:29 < aandrew> BillS: yeah the camp is pretty evenly split between ARM Trumptex-M0 and ARM Hilltex-M0 2016-10-23T05:35:45 < aandrew> not much in the chatter tonight 2016-10-23T05:36:12 < LeelooMinai> Hilary is ARM without FPU and Trump ARM without CPU 2016-10-23T05:36:38 < ReadErr> lol 2016-10-23T05:36:56 < aandrew> HAHAHA 2016-10-23T05:37:08 < BillS> I personally prefer processors that give the same answers every time -- makes programming and testing much more honest. 2016-10-23T05:37:16 < aandrew> where is the fun in that? 2016-10-23T05:38:10 < BillS> Not so much fun as keeps the frustration level down. Impossible to debug when the core is proveably inconsistent. 2016-10-23T05:38:38 < aandrew> ask LeelooMinai about that 2016-10-23T05:38:41 < aandrew> she's debugging some CPU core 2016-10-23T05:39:13 < dongs> so the impotant question BillS did you come to failipines for chicks with dicks (aka LeelooMinai) or do you have some other purpose (dont lie) 2016-10-23T05:40:02 * LeelooMinai notices that dongs felt being not in the centre of attention and could not help himself again 2016-10-23T05:40:32 < LeelooMinai> He is like a primadonna - if neglected starts behaving very erratically 2016-10-23T05:40:33 < BillS> No dongs, I came because I have been supporting a rather large family for about 9 years. I wanted to see progress of the kids I am sending to school/college. 2016-10-23T05:41:30 < LeelooMinai> In other words "dongs, I am your father" 2016-10-23T05:42:18 < LeelooMinai> And dongs is the 7th son 2016-10-23T05:44:39 < BillS> And dongs, I have traveled extensively in Europe for many years. Philippines is a good base of operations to see more of Asia especially since the world may well need to learn Mandarine very soon. 2016-10-23T05:44:42 < BillS> LOL 2016-10-23T06:00:59 -!- hornang [~quassel@185.56.186.27] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-23T06:10:23 < BillS> Guess everyone is sleeping now. 2016-10-23T06:12:04 -!- BillS [~IceChat9@112.201.14.201] has quit [Quit: Easy as 3.14159265358979323846...] 2016-10-23T06:24:50 < upgrdman> chicks with dicks (aka LeelooMinai) 2016-10-23T06:24:52 < upgrdman> lol 2016-10-23T06:28:37 < dongs> its pretty funny, he invites abuse simply by being in the channel 2016-10-23T06:28:46 < dongs> like if I can type lee and get autocomplete, its gonna be in a sentence 2016-10-23T06:28:56 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-23T06:29:29 < dongs> i bought some dumb obd scanner from aliexpress with color TFT, i hope it has STM32 inside so i can reflash it 2016-10-23T06:29:56 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/autism/32348458074.html 2016-10-23T06:33:06 < dongs> heh 2016-10-23T06:33:53 < upgrdman> is this the same elmchan as the sd lib guy 2016-10-23T06:33:57 < dongs> no 2016-10-23T06:34:03 < dongs> this is some pic -loving carfag 2016-10-23T06:34:09 < upgrdman> k 2016-10-23T06:34:26 < upgrdman> and ya, i have one of the elm327 obd2 dongles. just the little one with bluetooth 2016-10-23T06:34:52 < dongs> whats the fucking use of it with bluetooth 2016-10-23T06:35:02 < upgrdman> use smartphone 2016-10-23T06:35:06 < upgrdman> pretty nice too 2016-10-23T06:35:13 < upgrdman> ya 2016-10-23T06:35:27 < upgrdman> i bought torque pro since someone gave me a PlayStore gift card 2016-10-23T06:36:09 < dongs> huh autism thing has firmware updates 2016-10-23T06:36:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T06:39:10 < dongs> damn why the fuck nmobody took it apart 2016-10-23T06:39:18 < dongs> cant find a single pic of PCB 2016-10-23T06:46:00 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, trying to find out about stm32 executing from ram protection (if that's a thing) 2016-10-23T06:47:33 < LeelooMinai> It works if it's obvious imo:) I mean he just needs to mention me at random moments even though he has me on ignore - it's pretty sad. 2016-10-23T06:49:13 < LeelooMinai> Well, it's a double-edge sword - he cannot say anything based on what I write here, because then he would reveal that he can see that. 2016-10-23T06:49:57 < LeelooMinai> So, he can keep being dongs, but I can troll him without any risk:) 2016-10-23T06:51:31 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I don't think the ARM likes executing code from RAM too much:/ 2016-10-23T06:52:21 < LeelooMinai> At least in the current configuration - explodes with INVSTATE flag 2016-10-23T06:53:54 < Thorn> is your pointer odd? 2016-10-23T06:55:28 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: I have BX R1 and R1 has bit 0 set, yes, since it jumps to thumb code. 2016-10-23T06:55:54 < dongs> no, its genderfluid 2016-10-23T06:56:42 < LeelooMinai> dongs seems to have some obsession with gender obviously - kind of ironic 2016-10-23T06:59:13 < LeelooMinai> Yes, if everyone follows your advice - probably:/ 2016-10-23T07:00:33 < LeelooMinai> You have autism though? 2016-10-23T07:02:26 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, EPSR is in T mode 2016-10-23T07:04:23 < LeelooMinai> Man, this is bizzare. So, it explodes on this code in RAM, but when I actually debug-step into it, it works... o_O 2016-10-23T07:05:13 < LeelooMinai> He comments about me, I can comment about him - it's simple:) 2016-10-23T07:06:16 < LeelooMinai> I don't know what's going on:/ Maybe debugger does something extra I don't know about... 2016-10-23T07:07:29 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T07:07:43 < LeelooMinai> If it works for you, fine... I have other plans for dongs:p 2016-10-23T07:08:59 < LeelooMinai> No matter - other can see what I write 2016-10-23T07:10:37 < LeelooMinai> lol, that sounds very strange on IRC - no one is normal here:p 2016-10-23T07:11:58 < LeelooMinai> That's true, but it's about stm32 in theory so no reason to give it up to chronic dongism 2016-10-23T07:13:05 < Rob235> I don't get listed? 2016-10-23T07:13:05 < Rob235> :P 2016-10-23T07:13:34 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman is one of the dongs servants, so not sure what you meant there:p 2016-10-23T07:13:37 < Rob235> I wouldn't expect my name to show up 2016-10-23T07:14:13 < Rob235> like R2COM 2016-10-23T07:15:02 < Rob235> maybe I'm projecting 2016-10-23T07:18:49 < Rob235> and this concludes our viewing of, "On the Couch" with LeelooMinai 2016-10-23T07:19:01 < Rob235> seems like we have a counselor in our channel today 2016-10-23T07:19:50 < LeelooMinai> Well, ohsix tends to take things too seriously imo... 2016-10-23T07:20:19 < Rob235> I do too, trying to be better than that 2016-10-23T07:20:47 < dongs> ##stm32-safespace 2016-10-23T07:21:37 < Rob235> ##stm32-alldickswelcome 2016-10-23T07:23:21 < dongs> i think i would have more respect for leelooman if he'd just go and admit that he has a dick and stop fucking pretending. 2016-10-23T07:23:56 < LeelooMinai> I admit then: I don't have a "dick", so sorry... :) 2016-10-23T07:24:44 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T07:25:11 < LeelooMinai> Which makes dongs the biggest dick there is, I guess... 2016-10-23T07:25:12 < Rob235> ::yells from the back:: Prove it! 2016-10-23T07:28:56 < LeelooMinai> lol, that reminds me about a Polish move called Sexmission 2016-10-23T07:29:44 < LeelooMinai> It was about two dudes that got hibernated and woke up to a world wintout men 2016-10-23T07:30:05 < Rob235> sounds like fun 2016-10-23T07:30:50 < Rob235> better stay hydrated 2016-10-23T07:31:29 < LeelooMinai> So, they went to courtroom full of women to explain themselves (because all the women were thought alternate history,) and starts saying something like "but a lot of great people were men, like Copernicus" 2016-10-23T07:31:43 < LeelooMinai> And there's a shout from the back "Copernicus was a woman!" 2016-10-23T07:32:02 < LeelooMinai> It was a pretty funny movie:) Kind of a classic. 2016-10-23T07:36:40 < Rob235> how do you think about mcu's after an orgy is brought up? :P I'm going to bed 2016-10-23T07:38:18 < dongs> ignore is wonderful thing 2016-10-23T07:42:33 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T07:44:49 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, reading docs for L4 and it seems that SRAM2 has access through Icode bus, but SRAM1 is ICode/DCode, depending on boot options. 2016-10-23T07:45:20 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I will change the linker file to use only SRAM2 and see what happens. 2016-10-23T07:46:04 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-23T07:46:08 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-23T07:47:16 < dongs> sup, donging 2016-10-23T07:48:51 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, did not help:/ 2016-10-23T07:50:52 < LeelooMinai> Still same thing - when I step into with debugger works, bombs with INVSTATE otherwise. 2016-10-23T07:53:48 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-23T07:54:12 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T08:05:32 < dongs> so anyone used canbus on HSI, does it work? 2016-10-23T08:05:55 < dongs> baud rates are pretty low, and serial works fine off HSI, so i would guess it should be ok? 2016-10-23T08:06:02 < dongs> dont see anything in RM/datasheet explicitly saying its needed 2016-10-23T08:16:19 < LeelooMinai> Alleluja! Found the problem. 2016-10-23T08:17:43 < LeelooMinai> So, everything was ok, but, when I was passing the address of my thunk to FreeRTOS, it was then calling it back with BLX instruction. 2016-10-23T08:18:07 < LeelooMinai> However, there's a requirement that BLX must set bit 0 of each address to 1... 2016-10-23T08:18:36 < LeelooMinai> So, I passed the address ored with 0x1 and bingo. 2016-10-23T08:19:58 < LeelooMinai> Right, but this was about the pointer in the thunk, and it was ok - that is odd. 2016-10-23T08:20:38 < LeelooMinai> So I was looking in there, but this was happening a bit earlier - when RTOS was calling the thunk. 2016-10-23T08:20:57 < LeelooMinai> stm32l432kc 2016-10-23T08:21:14 < LeelooMinai> It's M4F low power 2016-10-23T08:21:23 < LeelooMinai> 80MHz max 2016-10-23T08:22:32 < LeelooMinai> So, that's the "magic" required: http://i.imgur.com/aetP0a9.png 2016-10-23T08:22:53 < LeelooMinai> A bit of bit shuffling there, because of weird thum opcodes, but this has to be done only once. 2016-10-23T08:23:27 < LeelooMinai> Right, and it did not occur to me, that the FreeRTOS side also uses BLX to call my think 2016-10-23T08:24:46 < LeelooMinai> Well, I guess there are a number of ways to call the code - The Bx has many variants, so it was not given that it will use BLX in particular... 2016-10-23T08:25:10 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I guess this is a bit of a problem - seems I would need some magic wand to know that... 2016-10-23T08:26:18 < LeelooMinai> Right, hmm, I guess may they have to use that - since linker cannot optimize it, as it does not know what this address will be at this point. 2016-10-23T08:27:34 < LeelooMinai> Ok, then I guess this is fine. I will pretty it up tomorrow maybe. Not sure if I will obsess about somehow doing this at link time or something... 2016-10-23T08:27:52 < LeelooMinai> Probably not worth the trouble. 2016-10-23T08:28:11 < LeelooMinai> Since the thunk itself is very efficient 2016-10-23T08:29:48 < LeelooMinai> I can see one potential problem though - I would be not suprised if linker will remove the method code I jump too... 2016-10-23T08:30:12 < LeelooMinai> Since it may conclude "o, this method is not used" :) 2016-10-23T08:30:35 < LeelooMinai> Maybe I can put some attribute on it to keep it... 2016-10-23T08:30:52 < LeelooMinai> volatile method? 2016-10-23T08:31:07 < LeelooMinai> Is there even such a thing? 2016-10-23T08:31:28 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, apparently there is. 2016-10-23T08:32:35 < LeelooMinai> But people seem to be saying it's like marking it const - not sure why it would prevent removing it... 2016-10-23T08:33:31 < LeelooMinai> Also, weird... if anything I would think that volatile function should be reverse of const or something. 2016-10-23T08:34:19 < LeelooMinai> This is from C++ specs or gcc or something? 2016-10-23T08:35:01 < LeelooMinai> A, that's different maybe... I was talking about volatile qualifier 2016-10-23T08:35:09 < LeelooMinai> void foo() volatile {} 2016-10-23T08:35:35 < LeelooMinai> Right, I will just use gcc thing and problem solved. 2016-10-23T08:36:14 < LeelooMinai> Ok, this was quite a yak, but worth it imo - was kind of fun to figure this out. 2016-10-23T08:36:32 < LeelooMinai> And will be very useful - I can also maybe use it for interrupt handlers somehow. 2016-10-23T08:36:58 < LeelooMinai> So that they call objects - though there's this problem of the interrupt table maped to flash. 2016-10-23T08:37:31 < LeelooMinai> Would need to see if it's sane to put it in RAM. 2016-10-23T08:41:31 < LeelooMinai> Hm? 2016-10-23T08:42:42 < LeelooMinai> Ok, works with optimization on 2016-10-23T08:44:36 < LeelooMinai> That's noreturn attribute... 2016-10-23T09:03:01 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@110.184.60.235] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T09:14:25 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-23T09:21:59 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@110.184.60.235] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-23T09:25:24 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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And monitor. 2016-10-23T09:55:32 < ReadErr> dongs = terry davis 2016-10-23T09:55:33 < ReadErr> confirmed 2016-10-23T09:56:41 < LeelooMinai> I thought that one day too... but Terry Davis has schizophrenia 2016-10-23T10:01:07 < LeelooMinai> lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEg-qjHvS-8 2016-10-23T10:02:34 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T10:04:09 < ReadErr> lol 2016-10-23T10:04:15 < ReadErr> if she wasnt my daughter 2016-10-23T10:08:09 < Rob235> what did ohsix do now? :P 2016-10-23T10:12:07 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.163.218] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T10:23:14 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.163.218] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-23T10:35:16 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T10:35:20 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-23T10:37:02 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T10:49:46 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-23T10:53:48 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T10:57:07 < Steffanx> Maybe some things are not be 2016-10-23T10:57:14 < Steffanx> To said mr ogsix 2016-10-23T10:57:21 < Steffanx> To be* 2016-10-23T10:59:28 < Rob235> why can't I fall asleep tonight? 2016-10-23T11:00:05 < LeelooMinai> "I cannot sleep at niiiiight... That's what the day's for aaaaaanyways" 2016-10-23T11:00:28 < LeelooMinai> 10c for guessing who singed that:p 2016-10-23T11:00:45 < Rob235> you? 2016-10-23T11:00:58 < LeelooMinai> No, I stole it:p 2016-10-23T11:03:05 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-23T11:04:10 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@110.184.60.235] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T11:05:47 < LeelooMinai> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-yYG00Nr8I :) 2016-10-23T11:11:45 < upgrdman> wow, that was quick. orders a set of trunk struts for my car, free shipping from some random seller on amazon, and got it in <48hrs 2016-10-23T11:17:04 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-23T11:25:51 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.250.239] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T11:25:56 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKFHZuCvvS4 2016-10-23T11:26:01 < ReadErr> talk about shit that will NEVER sell 2016-10-23T11:26:10 < ReadErr> "Making The World's First Male Sex Doll" 2016-10-23T11:27:12 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T11:45:03 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.215] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T11:50:34 < upgrdman> maybe that's what leeloo was talking about when she admitting to having a penis 2016-10-23T11:53:06 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T11:53:22 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-23T11:54:11 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T11:56:23 < ReadErr> well first company to produce i think they meant 2016-10-23T11:57:52 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-23T11:58:43 -!- barthess [~barthess@178.121.250.239] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-23T12:16:20 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-23T12:27:05 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/JV0VgD7.gifv 2016-10-23T12:37:12 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-23T12:38:23 < zyp> haha 2016-10-23T12:38:49 < dongs> zyp, you did can shit right, does it need crystal? 2016-10-23T12:39:15 < zyp> uh, idk 2016-10-23T12:39:30 < dongs> k if you didnt nvm I thought you had made something 2016-10-23T12:40:31 < zyp> I've been messing around a bit with can, but I don't think I've tried using it without a crystal 2016-10-23T12:40:58 < zyp> it's fairly slow though, so it might be okay without 2016-10-23T12:42:01 < dongs> can section in datasheet right above USB and doesnt specifically say crystal required, but AN2606 briefly mentions about HSE 2016-10-23T12:42:50 < dongs> ah hm... looks liek bootloaders will switch to HSE in case of CAN or DFU 2016-10-23T12:42:54 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T12:43:09 < dongs> This internal clock is used also for DFU and CAN bootloaders but only for the 2016-10-23T12:43:09 < dongs> selection phase. An external clock (8 MHz, 14.7456 MHz or 25 MHz.) is required for DFU 2016-10-23T12:43:12 < dongs> and CAN bootloader execution after the selection phase. 2016-10-23T12:43:27 < dongs> 'guess that asnwers it 2016-10-23T12:48:13 < kimmoli> can is pita for timings, with some controllers, you can't make all possible bitrates from single xtal frequency 2016-10-23T12:49:14 < dongs> The CAN bus requires less than 0.5% error, while an asynchronous serial interface requires 2.5% error or less. 2016-10-23T12:49:33 < dongs> i think this shit just needs 250kbit or whatever, the lwoest one. 2016-10-23T12:49:56 < dongs> er 125 2016-10-23T12:51:46 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-23T12:54:06 -!- Kliment [kliment@hilla.kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T12:57:24 < Kliment> So I made the mistake of talking to the ST salespeople at makerfaire rome 2016-10-23T12:57:38 < dongs> how much free shit did you get 2016-10-23T12:57:43 < Kliment> They were utterly inadequate at actually selling things 2016-10-23T12:58:01 < Kliment> None, but then I wanted to talk business and they wanted to show off their latest "arduino" 2016-10-23T12:58:41 < Kliment> There was an IC on it that appeared to have some 100+ pins PER SIDE in an LQFP package 2016-10-23T12:59:53 < dongs> sounds like nucleo-144 2016-10-23T13:00:24 < Kliment> No, this thing http://www.arduino.org/products/boards/arduino-star-otto 2016-10-23T13:00:48 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-50-200C-Terminal-Thermocouple-Temperature/dp/B00AK8OMHO/ anyone know the term for the little 'ball' thing 2016-10-23T13:00:54 < ReadErr> its not a thermistor 2016-10-23T13:01:08 < ReadErr> or mouser doesnt seem to find shit for 'k type' 2016-10-23T13:01:12 < dongs> NTC? 2016-10-23T13:01:27 < Kliment> ReadErr: That's a thermocouple 2016-10-23T13:01:34 < ReadErr> yea I know its a thermocouple 2016-10-23T13:01:45 < ReadErr> but theres some term im missing to find it on mouser 2016-10-23T13:01:57 < Kliment> ReadErr: I'm not sure mouser sells them, let me see 2016-10-23T13:02:08 < ReadErr> seems odd they wouldnt 2016-10-23T13:02:27 < ReadErr> I tried a bunch of different terms but couldnt come up w/ anything similar to that 2016-10-23T13:04:09 < Kliment> ReadErr: They sell them under "industrial temperature sensors" 2016-10-23T13:04:16 < Kliment> ReadErr: But prices are outrageous 2016-10-23T13:04:32 < ReadErr> yea saw those, like 300$ or some crazy shit 2016-10-23T13:04:41 < ReadErr> thats why I was thinking my search terms arent right 2016-10-23T13:05:22 < ReadErr> and in the parametric search they dont seem to have an option to specify K, J, N type etc 2016-10-23T13:05:34 < Kliment> ReadErr: Yeah, because they only have like 14 of them in stock, total 2016-10-23T13:06:04 < kimmoli> 685-TP870 ? 2016-10-23T13:06:22 < Kliment> Try digikey PN 2016-10-23T13:06:30 < Kliment> 1286-1099-ND 2016-10-23T13:07:25 -!- damme [~damme@166.212.164.82.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-23T13:07:53 < Kliment> kimmoli: Yeah, that's the only one that they have really 2016-10-23T13:07:55 < ReadErr> Kliment: ya I can get the leaded ones, I was interested in just the sensor bit 2016-10-23T13:08:23 < Kliment> ReadErr: Oh, I see. Those are rare, particularly as the leads are part of the sensor 2016-10-23T13:08:25 < kimmoli> thats just those two wires welded together 2016-10-23T13:08:49 < kimmoli> there is no "sensor", you can just twist them together and it works 2016-10-23T13:08:58 < ReadErr> oh really? 2016-10-23T13:09:06 < ReadErr> hmm 2016-10-23T13:09:06 < Kliment> ReadErr: So you need to compensate for the thermoelectric effect of the spot where you're connecting the thermocouple wires to any other kind 2016-10-23T13:09:27 < kimmoli> cold junction 2016-10-23T13:09:35 < Kliment> ReadErr: This is why they usually come pre-made for certain lengths 2016-10-23T13:10:01 < Kliment> ReadErr: And have ginormous connectors so the connector temp can be measured inside the device 2016-10-23T13:10:14 < ReadErr> might be better off picking a different sensor type then 2016-10-23T13:10:27 < ReadErr> I need to fit it into a 4mm ID glass tube so that allots me some options I guess 2016-10-23T13:10:35 < ReadErr> 0402 should fit 2016-10-23T13:10:46 < Kliment> ReadErr: Thermistor (PTC or NTC) is your best bet unless you're going for temps above 300C 2016-10-23T13:11:05 < Kliment> ReadErr: You can get thermistors in encapsulated glass beads that will fit in said tube 2016-10-23T13:11:15 < BrainDamage> premade for certain lengths is no issue, you just need to extend the thermocouple using the same materials 2016-10-23T13:11:31 < BrainDamage> then no seebek effect on the junction 2016-10-23T13:12:15 < ReadErr> I was planning to use some thin coax since PTFE jacket 2016-10-23T13:12:37 < ReadErr> and just handling any kind of offset on the other end 2016-10-23T13:12:49 < ReadErr> so prefer something linear 2016-10-23T13:13:41 < kimmoli> pt100 or pt1000 2016-10-23T13:14:06 < ReadErr> ya actually have some pt100 already I got by mistake (meant to get pt1000) 2016-10-23T13:14:18 < Kliment> Oh, you're dealing with low temps? 2016-10-23T13:14:29 < Kliment> Yeah, lots of options then 2016-10-23T13:14:44 < dongs> does arduino not have schematics etc for new shit anymore? 2016-10-23T13:14:53 < dongs> or is otto shit too new 2016-10-23T13:15:02 < ReadErr> Kliment: range of temps, nothing really below 0C 2016-10-23T13:15:11 < dongs> rage of temps 2016-10-23T13:16:03 < BrainDamage> what accuracy do you need? 2016-10-23T13:16:26 < ReadErr> BrainDamage: pref something 0.5% or less at 200C 2016-10-23T13:16:36 < ReadErr> but 1% is doable 2016-10-23T13:17:09 < BrainDamage> are you using a dedicated ic to read it or diy whestone bridge? 2016-10-23T13:17:18 < ReadErr> dedicated 2016-10-23T13:17:31 < BrainDamage> should be ok 2016-10-23T13:17:36 < kimmoli> MAX31865 2016-10-23T13:17:40 < kimmoli> ? 2016-10-23T13:18:05 < ReadErr> need to look into options if going the PT100 route 2016-10-23T13:19:00 < ReadErr> do the ICs handle 3 or 4 wire compensated ? 2016-10-23T13:19:03 < Kliment> dongs: the otto is by fake arduino 2016-10-23T13:19:12 < Kliment> dongs: no schems, no nothing 2016-10-23T13:19:28 < Kliment> dongs: barely any working software either 2016-10-23T13:19:47 < dongs> oh, .org 2016-10-23T13:19:48 < dongs> right 2016-10-23T13:20:12 < BrainDamage> wait, i think there's a bit confusion,are you using a thermocouple or a pt100? 2016-10-23T13:20:25 < BrainDamage> a pt100 doesn't need compensation but benefits from kelvin wiring 2016-10-23T13:20:41 < BrainDamage> a thermocouple needs cold junction compensation but it's only 2 wires 2016-10-23T13:20:43 < dongs> Kliment: and .cc still sells only atmel garbage? 2016-10-23T13:20:58 < Kliment> dongs: no more atmel 2016-10-23T13:21:09 < Kliment> dongs: microchip-atmel now 2016-10-23T13:21:12 < ReadErr> thats what I meant, BrainDamage 2016-10-23T13:21:18 < BrainDamage> .... 2016-10-23T13:21:39 < ReadErr> right now im not committed to a thermocouple 2016-10-23T13:21:44 < Kliment> BrainDamage: I think we talked ReadErr out of TC 2016-10-23T13:22:00 < ReadErr> it was just what I had been using but the PT100 seems like a much better option 2016-10-23T13:22:29 < ReadErr> and since im making the thermowells im not limited to china options 2016-10-23T13:22:38 < ReadErr> as I was before 2016-10-23T13:23:06 < kimmoli> pt1000 you could go without kelvin connection 2016-10-23T13:24:04 < dongs> why do you need to easure these temperatures so accurately 2016-10-23T13:24:06 < dongs> some weed/vape shit? 2016-10-23T13:24:33 < ReadErr> dongs: the chinese thermocouples that are 'stainless steel', arent 2016-10-23T13:24:49 < ReadErr> its more so the material is why im doing my own 2016-10-23T13:25:02 < Kliment> Anyways, the reason I brought up the ST salespeople, they showed me some demo on a nucleo board reading a bunch of ST sensors 2016-10-23T13:25:09 < ReadErr> the MAX31865 looks nice though 2016-10-23T13:25:41 < Kliment> And I asked whether they had libraries available for those, and they said "it's all in the stm32cube stuff" 2016-10-23T13:25:56 < dongs> Kliment: did you know they now have binary only cube libraries 2016-10-23T13:26:11 < dongs> for shit like USB-PD 2016-10-23T13:26:45 < Kliment> Now, I managed to get cubemx running, and grabbed the stm32cubeexpansion-ble thingie that's supposed to have all that sensor code 2016-10-23T13:26:46 < dongs> i bet a lot of sensor shit is gonna be closedsores/binary too 2016-10-23T13:26:49 < ReadErr> oh nice, its not NRND yet 2016-10-23T13:27:17 < Kliment> But it appears cubemx doesn't want to install it 2016-10-23T13:27:53 < Kliment> dongs: Their sensor fusion stuff, yeah, but I'm only looking for the actual initialization and such code 2016-10-23T13:28:10 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/I5HQ0yxC/templedongOS.png 2016-10-23T13:28:12 < ReadErr> thought about u dongs 2016-10-23T13:28:26 < Kliment> Anyway, my cubemx appears to be the latest version, how do I install expansions? 2016-10-23T13:28:43 < dongs> Kliment: help-> menu 2016-10-23T13:28:47 < dongs> install patch or install new librarires. 2016-10-23T13:29:22 < Kliment> dongs: I tried that, it's not in the list and when I point it to the zip I downloaded it says this version of cube cannot install it 2016-10-23T13:29:32 < Kliment> dongs: both latest version 2016-10-23T13:29:38 < dongs> hmpf. 2016-10-23T13:29:43 < dongs> cube is filthy java shit :( 2016-10-23T13:30:48 < Kliment> dongs: Maybe it objects to me running it on linux 2016-10-23T13:30:58 < dongs> wouuldnt be surprised 2016-10-23T13:31:03 < Kliment> dongs: does yours show the ble stuff in the menu? 2016-10-23T13:31:15 < dongs> lets see 2016-10-23T13:31:43 < dongs> well, new libraries manager only shows cube shit 2016-10-23T13:31:47 < dongs> i think i have to click from local 2016-10-23T13:31:51 < dongs> to make it try loading the ble shit? 2016-10-23T13:33:17 < Kliment> Yeah. I did that. 2016-10-23T13:33:52 < Kliment> It says "This Package version is not managed on this version of STM32CubeMX" 2016-10-23T13:36:07 < dongs> hmm 2016-10-23T13:36:17 < dongs> donno look into xml and see maybe they made it for some older one or something 2016-10-23T13:36:22 < dongs> see if you can change required version nubmrs or someshit 2016-10-23T13:36:27 < dongs> im sure nobody at ST actualyl uses cube 2016-10-23T13:36:39 < dongs> so the support for that shit should be pretty low on their priority lists 2016-10-23T13:40:46 < Kliment> Their salespeople seemed convinced everyone uses it 2016-10-23T13:41:55 < Steffanx> There is also some Laurenceb in him ReadErr: http://www.templeos.org/Wb/Compiler/UAsm.html#l238 2016-10-23T13:43:47 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.215] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T13:58:10 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-23T13:58:26 < ReadErr> i wonder if hes ever on freenode 2016-10-23T14:07:01 < kimmoli> freedomeVPN blocks templeos.org as malicious site 2016-10-23T14:07:48 < BrainDamage> it wants to protect you from the scary truth 2016-10-23T14:08:30 < kimmoli> i can see the truth in that twitter feed 2016-10-23T14:14:48 < Kliment> I keep looking but not finding any truth 2016-10-23T14:15:00 < Kliment> am I doing it wrong? 2016-10-23T14:15:40 < BrainDamage> try again with more drugs and/or schizophrenia 2016-10-23T14:15:58 < Kliment> That's fitting, coming from you 2016-10-23T14:16:12 < Steffanx> Try to read it as you probably read ##stm32. 2016-10-23T14:16:49 < Steffanx> Or should read ##stm32 :P 2016-10-23T14:20:06 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-23T14:26:45 < Kliment> Yay, managed to extract the sensor drivers from the cube expansion packages 2016-10-23T14:40:48 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T14:42:53 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-23T14:42:54 -!- BrainDamage_ is now known as BrainDamage 2016-10-23T15:13:41 -!- Jak_o_Shadows1 [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-23T15:30:22 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-23T15:34:16 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T15:39:02 < dongs> http://www.xmultiple.com/ModPics/XMM/XMM-9785.pdf cool jack bros 2016-10-23T15:43:21 < Steffanx> 45 degrees. Dont remember ever seeing that in real life. 2016-10-23T15:43:41 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-23T15:43:44 -!- mra90 [~Martin@host-85-202-159-241.sta.tvknaszapraca.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T15:45:01 < Steffanx> but why.. 2016-10-23T15:48:57 < Kliment> Steffanx: rail-mounted stuff in power switching boxes usually 2016-10-23T15:49:35 < Kliment> Steffanx: Makes it much more convenient to have the wires come out at an angle so you can plug them in and out easily but the lid won't interfere with them 2016-10-23T15:50:29 < Kliment> Steffanx: Don't know any other applications but I'm sure they exist 2016-10-23T15:52:33 < Steffanx> ok.. 2016-10-23T15:53:32 -!- Kliment [kliment@hilla.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-23T15:53:44 -!- Kliment [kliment@hilla.kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T15:54:43 -!- Kliment [kliment@hilla.kapsi.fi] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-23T15:55:33 < Steffanx> Kakimir, why arent you part of kapsi. 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So the ingenious old fart is trying to salvage what glue he can, so that he could continue his long time hobby of glueing captured missing children's genitals on stray animal faces. 2016-10-23T21:18:44 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T21:25:32 < Kliment> Steffanx: No, but I know some people who are 2016-10-23T21:27:12 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T21:28:05 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T21:29:03 < kakimir> pump is hard 2016-10-23T21:39:46 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-23T21:47:04 < Steffanx> sudo make sense 2016-10-23T21:47:46 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-23T21:53:17 < Steffanx> ah ok Kliment. 2016-10-23T22:05:26 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T22:06:10 < Laurenceb_> lul 8chan was redisgned 2016-10-23T22:06:12 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/index.html 2016-10-23T22:06:16 < Laurenceb_> I like the Roate 2016-10-23T22:16:05 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_: i can repeat my meself: sudo make sense 2016-10-23T22:16:14 < Steffanx> redisgned, Roate .. WTF? 2016-10-23T22:17:48 < Laurenceb_> sdfsa 2016-10-23T22:19:27 < BrainDamage> i actually take pride and joy when i don't understand Laurenceb_'s references 2016-10-23T22:19:41 < BrainDamage> it means there's still hope for me 2016-10-23T22:20:59 < Steffanx> But when even google does not know, then something is really wrong. I guess Laurenceb_ followed his dad into the world of drugs. 2016-10-23T22:28:00 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-23T22:42:34 < kakimir> anyone care to help me get my ltspice model working? 2016-10-23T22:45:43 < kakimir> any pros around? 2016-10-23T22:45:50 < kakimir> Laurenceb_ 2016-10-23T22:46:18 < Laurenceb_> I've never written my own models 2016-10-23T22:46:29 < Laurenceb_> but can't it just load standard model files? 2016-10-23T22:47:34 < kakimir> i don't even know what the problems are 2016-10-23T22:49:47 < kakimir> does this thing even raise errors if directives are somehow broken or includes doesn't wokr 2016-10-23T22:49:50 < kakimir> work 2016-10-23T22:50:13 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKRmhsQ2ZrMl9XdzA/view?usp=sharing 2016-10-23T22:51:50 < kakimir> are you saying nobody knows how to operate this thing? 2016-10-23T22:52:07 < kakimir> but some quick'n dirty stuff with standard models 2016-10-23T22:55:08 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-23T23:02:11 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-23T23:22:04 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZjF2RjFrVkNqNzg/view?usp=sharing figured it out 2016-10-23T23:22:29 < kakimir> AC mode uses only one halve of transformer 2016-10-23T23:27:26 < kakimir> playing with that MOT ? 2016-10-23T23:40:52 < Laurenceb_> http://vssweb1.landfood.ubc.ca/animalwelfare/publications/pdfs/theses/Joanna-thesis.pdf 2016-10-23T23:41:41 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: And? :p 2016-10-23T23:41:56 < Laurenceb_> interesting thesis 2016-10-23T23:42:19 < Laurenceb_> gas chamber design and methods 2016-10-23T23:44:43 < Kliment> is Laurenceb_ just here to emit offtopic links? 2016-10-23T23:44:57 < Laurenceb_> yes 2016-10-23T23:45:19 < Kliment> Why do we tolerate that? 2016-10-23T23:45:59 < Laurenceb_> Kliment: maybe you could build a gas chamber as a final solution to the problem 2016-10-23T23:46:02 < LeelooMinai> Kliment: There are much more horrible things happening in this channel that are tolerated imo, so, links like that are not really a big deal:) 2016-10-23T23:46:48 < BrainDamage> yes, unfortunately, it's almost tame compared to other stuff ... 2016-10-23T23:47:00 < Laurenceb_> horrible things like stm32 i2c 2016-10-23T23:47:37 < LeelooMinai> First step: thesis on humane killing of rats, step 2) .... sep 3) final solution: Rat Reflow Oven 2016-10-23T23:48:21 < Laurenceb_> lulwut 2016-10-23T23:51:22 < Kliment> What's so wrong with the stm32 i2c? 2016-10-23T23:51:58 < LeelooMinai> I always see people complaining about I2C in general:) 2016-10-23T23:52:30 < Laurenceb_> http://www.encyclopediasupreme.org/wikipediawastedonations.png 2016-10-23T23:52:38 < BrainDamage> are you planning the next dns downtime? 2016-10-23T23:53:00 < Laurenceb_> probably 2016-10-23T23:53:02 < Laurenceb_> http://www.encyclopediasupreme.org/wikipediastupidsponsors.txt 2016-10-23T23:53:10 < Laurenceb_> top trollage 2016-10-23T23:54:25 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_ is a specialist of browsing the sewers of internet... 2016-10-23T23:54:48 < Laurenceb_> yup 2016-10-23T23:55:09 < Laurenceb_> block caps confirm it 2016-10-23T23:58:20 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/cfHoseA.jpg 2016-10-23T23:59:54 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-23T23:59:58 < Laurenceb_> helmet makes it safe --- Day changed Mon Oct 24 2016 2016-10-24T00:00:33 < LeelooMinai> Lack of smell helps too:p 2016-10-24T00:05:18 < BrainDamage> looks like tarmac/creosote to me, not shi 2016-10-24T00:09:15 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-24T00:10:56 < LeelooMinai> Ok, how about this one? :p http://d2cu7jmdc27g69.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/11-worst-jobs.jpg 2016-10-24T00:11:27 < LeelooMinai> The Last Crapdiver 2016-10-24T00:12:10 < LeelooMinai> If he was holding a tablet it would be a perfect depiction. 2016-10-24T00:13:30 < LeelooMinai> Personally I draw a line: the worst I watch is presidential elections probably:) 2016-10-24T00:19:56 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-24T00:20:03 -!- kisielk_ [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T00:30:51 < jadew> pfew... 20 hours later, I can finally add the 20 lines feature that triggered all this refactoring 2016-10-24T00:31:17 < jadew> lol LeelooMinai, nice pic 2016-10-24T00:31:47 < LeelooMinai> It's Laurenceb_ exploring the worst corners of the internet 2016-10-24T00:32:44 < jadew> haha, I just read the convo too, now it's even funnier 2016-10-24T00:39:35 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-24T00:48:32 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-24T00:55:14 < LeelooMinai> So, anyone knows what exactly gcc linker scripts are capable of? Can one put some advanced operations on some symbols into them? Like creating thunks, using some bit-level operations, etc.? 2016-10-24T00:55:47 < LeelooMinai> Not sure if I want to go exploring this. 2016-10-24T00:56:52 < LeelooMinai> Cannot really do it at compile time, since at that point addresses are not resolved. 2016-10-24T00:57:10 < LeelooMinai> And I have it working at runtime, but OCD:) 2016-10-24T01:03:40 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, seems maybe viable: https://sourceware.org/binutils/docs/ld/Operators.html#Operators 2016-10-24T01:04:07 < LeelooMinai> So all the key C operators are supported. including bitwise ones. 2016-10-24T01:05:01 * LeelooMinai sees a yak laughing at her and punches him in the face 2016-10-24T01:08:01 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0af655.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2016-10-24T01:16:13 < Laurenceb_> http://emdrive.wiki/Experimental_Results 2016-10-24T01:16:17 < Laurenceb_> lul those zeros 2016-10-24T01:40:47 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-24T01:45:35 < LeelooMinai> Found dongs: https://fishilico.github.io/hackinparis-2016/_images/pdfimg.png 2016-10-24T01:46:22 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T01:51:13 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: Cern Quantum Magic(TM) is causing Mandela Effect? 2016-10-24T01:52:41 < Laurenceb_> lul 2016-10-24T01:53:37 < kakimir> Mandela Effect could be actually a elaborate hoax 2016-10-24T01:55:16 < kakimir> you mind to share your opinion about it Laurenceb_ ? 2016-10-24T01:55:45 < Laurenceb_> probably 2016-10-24T01:56:02 < Laurenceb_> but don't forget the String theory and dark energy 2016-10-24T01:57:34 < kakimir> what about them? 2016-10-24T01:59:47 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, when dongie trolls you it's funny. when you try to troll him you just seem like a butthurt prostitute. 2016-10-24T02:00:42 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: It's funny to you, because he is your master, so what are you gonna do:p 2016-10-24T02:01:01 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-24T02:01:22 < upgrdman> right 2016-10-24T02:01:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-237-60-84-93.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-24T02:02:00 < kakimir> how do I wven drag a component in this thing? 2016-10-24T02:02:09 < kakimir> G does nothing 2016-10-24T02:02:22 < upgrdman> in what thing 2016-10-24T02:02:45 < kakimir> GAL 2016-10-24T02:03:02 < upgrdman> wuts GAL 2016-10-24T02:04:43 < kakimir> fukk - wrong channel 2016-10-24T02:06:25 < upgrdman> you didnt answer my question. faggot. 2016-10-24T02:06:50 < kakimir> your GAL! 2016-10-24T02:31:05 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: come back and discuss this topic 2016-10-24T02:45:03 -!- KreAture_ [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2016-10-24T02:52:25 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T02:54:04 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-24T02:54:23 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T02:56:04 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-24T02:56:21 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T02:56:36 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-24T02:58:04 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-24T02:58:24 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T03:00:04 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-24T03:00:24 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T03:02:34 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-24T03:02:54 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T03:04:34 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-24T03:04:54 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T03:06:04 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-24T03:06:21 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T03:12:24 < Laurenceb_> this seems relevant to my interests 2016-10-24T03:12:26 < Laurenceb_> http://www.icam-coalition.org/downloads/Methods%20for%20the%20euthanasia%20of%20dogs%20and%20cats-%20English.pdf 2016-10-24T03:13:08 < Laurenceb_> I should video some of my stray cat extermination efforts and put on 4chan 2016-10-24T03:13:12 < kakimir> you plan to kill your pets and eat them Laurenceb_ ? 2016-10-24T03:13:22 < kakimir> if shit hittens the fan 2016-10-24T03:13:22 < Laurenceb_> not exactly 2016-10-24T03:13:28 < Laurenceb_> tons of stray cats 2016-10-24T03:13:54 < Laurenceb_> I need a humane way to deal with them 2016-10-24T03:13:54 < kakimir> use your cats to attract stray cats 2016-10-24T03:14:06 < Laurenceb_> erm the idea is fewer cats not more of them 2016-10-24T03:15:10 < Laurenceb_> I like the gas filled extermination tent idea 2016-10-24T03:15:18 < Laurenceb_> just needs some food to draw them in 2016-10-24T03:15:45 < kakimir> childrent end up camping in your tent 2016-10-24T03:15:55 < kakimir> world wide news 2016-10-24T03:16:05 < Laurenceb_> lulz 2016-10-24T03:16:24 < LeelooMinai> Cat Hitler! 2016-10-24T03:16:36 < Laurenceb_> yeah but then I could upload the footage to ogrish and ... profit 2016-10-24T03:16:53 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai: yup thats kind of my inspiration 2016-10-24T03:16:59 < Laurenceb_> I'm very keen to use gas 2016-10-24T03:17:18 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: Fail... Now I have to put you on my black list:) 2016-10-24T03:17:37 -!- KreAture [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T03:17:45 < Laurenceb_> I think blacks get gassed too :-( 2016-10-24T03:17:57 < kakimir> what do you think of planetX Laurenceb_ `? 2016-10-24T03:18:14 < Laurenceb_> my main problem is that most readily available gasses are heavier than air 2016-10-24T03:18:28 < Laurenceb_> so they would dissipate from a tent 2016-10-24T03:18:38 < Laurenceb_> kakimir: haven't looked at it 2016-10-24T03:19:49 < kakimir> suns twin causing some space event time to time on earth 2016-10-24T03:20:20 < kakimir> when it returns to the center of this star system 2016-10-24T03:21:11 < Laurenceb_> kakimir is smoking weed again 2016-10-24T03:25:55 < Thorn> >DC voltage 0.01m...500m/5/50/500/1000V ±(0.03% + 2 digits) DC current 0,01µ...500µ/5m/50m/500m/5/10A ±(0,1% + 20 digits) 2016-10-24T03:26:01 < Thorn> is this good enough 2016-10-24T03:26:40 < LeelooMinai> Is this for 5k counts? 2016-10-24T03:27:31 < Thorn> there's apparently a 500.000 count mode 2016-10-24T03:28:38 < LeelooMinai> Sound pretty expensive 2016-10-24T03:28:43 < LeelooMinai> What is it? 2016-10-24T03:29:11 < Thorn> Multimeters.xls says it even has a 1mV resolution mode but input is only 10MOhm 2016-10-24T03:30:07 < LeelooMinai> You mean μV? 2016-10-24T03:30:22 < LeelooMinai> You listed 0.01mV already 2016-10-24T03:30:25 < Thorn> yes 2016-10-24T03:30:31 < Thorn> 1 microvolt 2016-10-24T03:30:48 < LeelooMinai> Well, then it must be one nice multimeter - Keithley or something? 2016-10-24T03:30:59 < Thorn> and it's only 30-40% more than UT71E 2016-10-24T03:31:49 < LeelooMinai> Well, can you link to it? Would like to see it. 2016-10-24T03:33:03 < Thorn> BM867 http://www.brymen.com/product-html/cata860/BM860_Catalog.pdf 2016-10-24T03:33:09 < Thorn> http://www.tme.eu/en/details/bm867/portable-digital-multimeters/brymen/bm867s/ 2016-10-24T03:33:36 < LeelooMinai> That looks like EEVBlog DMM:) 2016-10-24T03:33:36 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3xDX1Jq55M 2016-10-24T03:33:45 -!- KreAture is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2016-10-24T03:33:52 < Thorn> that was 827 or something 2016-10-24T03:34:31 < LeelooMinai> Looks nice 2016-10-24T03:34:41 < Thorn> this is their top class (869 is the top but it mosts a lot more for 2 more functions) 2016-10-24T03:35:04 < Thorn> the only wtf is that only 869 has temperature 2016-10-24T03:35:12 < Thorn> but I can live w/o that 2016-10-24T03:35:29 < LeelooMinai> Meh, any cheap one can do temp, so you can always fall back to something else 2016-10-24T03:36:41 < LeelooMinai> On ebay.ca it's 260CAD:/ Well, at least someone sells it for this much. 2016-10-24T03:37:20 < Thorn> it seems to have better accuracy in ohms mode than my lcr meter lol 2016-10-24T03:37:30 < Thorn> much worse in capacitance though 2016-10-24T03:41:07 -!- _Getty [getty@88.198.38.47] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T03:41:36 < LeelooMinai> Not cheap, but probably better value than Flukes, Agilent's etc. 2016-10-24T03:42:18 -!- PaulFertser_ [paul@2001:470:26:54b:260:98ff:feef:cb79] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T03:42:20 -!- gjm_ [~gjm@arturcieslak.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T03:42:21 -!- tonyarkl1s [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T03:42:32 -!- zyp_ [~zyp@zyp.no] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T03:42:33 -!- nighty-_ [~cp@www.taiyolabs.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T03:42:36 -!- funnel_ [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T03:43:38 -!- zyp [zyp@zyp.no] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 2016-10-24T03:43:38 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has quit [Write error: 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http://www.brymen.com/product-html/cata230/BM230_Catalog.pdf 2016-10-24T03:52:13 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-24T03:52:44 < LeelooMinai> Right, ok - I guess I more meant that it looks very similar from the outside 2016-10-24T03:53:12 -!- gjm_ [~gjm@arturcieslak.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-24T03:53:12 -!- Kliment [kliment@hilla.kapsi.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-24T03:58:31 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T04:04:03 -!- mervaka_ [~mervaka@mervaka.co.uk] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T04:04:22 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T04:06:10 -!- mervaka [~mervaka@78.129.221.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-24T04:06:10 -!- tonyarkl1s [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-24T04:19:49 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T04:20:14 < Thorn> ... or this one http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-34401A-Digital-Multimeter-6-5-Digit-Resolution-Tested-Pulled-From-Lab/291918618702 2016-10-24T04:21:41 < LeelooMinai> If there's nothing wrong with it, sure, good deal 2016-10-24T04:22:50 < LeelooMinai> No comparison to the Brymen though - that's different class altogether 2016-10-24T04:24:38 < LeelooMinai> Seems it will be discontuned in december, but still: http://www.keysight.com/en/pd-1000001295%3Aepsg%3Apro-pn-34401A/digital-multimeter-6-digit?nid=-536902435.536880933&cc=CA&lc=eng 2016-10-24T04:31:50 -!- fest [~fest@188.226.203.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-24T04:31:51 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-dxllthvtbrobosnt] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-24T04:31:51 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@parabox.it-syndikat.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-24T04:31:51 -!- sync 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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35349619 2016-10-24T05:43:57 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.60.235] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-24T06:02:13 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-24T06:14:00 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.63.64] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T06:15:25 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T06:26:24 -!- kisielk_ [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-24T06:28:15 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T06:28:20 < dongs> jlink ultra+ arrives tomrorow 2016-10-24T06:28:25 < dongs> cant wait to start debugging like a PRO 2016-10-24T06:29:01 < Thorn> **gger J**-Link 2016-10-24T06:29:46 < dongs> I can fill in the blanks! 2016-10-24T06:43:06 < Thorn> ok so an emitter resisor looks beta+1 times larger when looking into the base. does this hold even when collector is disconnected (floating)? 2016-10-24T06:57:07 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: I don't think what you wrote makes sense as beta is defined as ratio so you need the other current being there... 2016-10-24T06:57:20 -!- gjm [~gjm@arturcieslak.pl] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-24T06:57:20 -!- gjm [~gjm@unaffiliated/gjm] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T06:58:16 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-24T06:59:52 < dongs> https://github.com/littlekernel/lk wat 2016-10-24T07:02:31 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T07:04:10 < Thorn> but I *can* disconnect the collector and apply voltage between base and gnd 2016-10-24T07:04:35 < LeelooMinai> Right, but then there's no collector/emitter current 2016-10-24T07:05:01 < Thorn> that is the point 2016-10-24T07:05:04 < LeelooMinai> base-gnd basically is adiode 2016-10-24T07:05:20 < Thorn> it is 2016-10-24T07:05:22 < LeelooMinai> And behaves as a diode - but beta then has no meaning I think 2016-10-24T07:06:09 < LeelooMinai> As I wrote beta is a ratio of those currents, so if one is missing, well,, it doesn't play any role. 2016-10-24T07:06:50 < Thorn> so when Ic = 0, beta = 0? 2016-10-24T07:07:15 < LeelooMinai> When Ic = 0 beta = maeaningless:) 2016-10-24T07:08:01 < Thorn> but unless the transistor collapses into a black hole in the circuit that I described there has to be some current 2016-10-24T07:08:42 < LeelooMinai> But you just wrote that collector is disconnected, so how can be any current... 2016-10-24T07:09:47 < Thorn> I mean through the B-E junction and the resistor 2016-10-24T07:10:45 < LeelooMinai> Yes, it acts like a diode, but so what - why do you have to use beta for anything in such a case? It's like transistor changed into a diode, so no beta... 2016-10-24T07:11:23 < LeelooMinai> Mathematically you can imagine it as 0, but there's no circuit there, so it's kind of useles.. 2016-10-24T07:12:13 < LeelooMinai> It's like you changed a car into a buggy by throwing the engine away and you sit there thinking about what horse-power the buggy has:p 2016-10-24T07:12:53 < Thorn> 0 2016-10-24T07:14:07 < LeelooMinai> So has my my coffee mug... 2016-10-24T07:14:28 < Thorn> correct. as opposed to undefined 2016-10-24T07:15:02 < dongs> i get to play the guessing game 2016-10-24T07:15:04 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: My point is - diode => beta has no menaing at all. 2016-10-24T07:15:06 < dongs> which autist is dishing out advice 2016-10-24T07:15:36 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Beta applies only to transistors connected in the circuit with, well, all three terminals. 2016-10-24T07:15:58 < Thorn> what if Ic = 1nA or 0.1nA 2016-10-24T07:16:33 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: What do you mean what if? 2016-10-24T07:16:57 < LeelooMinai> If there's 1nA there, then there's 1nA there... 2016-10-24T07:17:16 < LeelooMinai> It means that you connected it to something and the current flows... 2016-10-24T07:17:26 < Thorn> does the base current suddenly drops by beta+1 times? 2016-10-24T07:18:15 < LeelooMinai> Well, maybe you should start by engraving in the brain that bjt transistor is a current controller. And the base current controls the CE current, not the other way around. 2016-10-24T07:18:39 < LeelooMinai> You somehow try to do this in reverse, but that's not how it works. 2016-10-24T07:19:24 < Thorn> why? I have a certain Vbe, then I adjust Vce to get Ic=1nA 2016-10-24T07:19:42 < Thorn> what happens to Ib? 2016-10-24T07:20:29 < LeelooMinai> You do not adjust the base current with CE current - as I wrote. You may play with some mathematics if you solve some circut, sure, but in real life the base current controls the other and that's it. 2016-10-24T07:22:15 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: You can imagine CE as a pipe with water where B is a valve controlled with smaller water flow that opens/closes/adjusts the CE current 2016-10-24T07:22:48 < LeelooMinai> Then you will see that trying to control the valve with the big current is kind of pointless. 2016-10-24T07:23:00 < Thorn> but it did seem to depend on Ic before: Ic=0 -> Ib = (Vbe-0.7)/R, Ic>0 -> Ib = (Vbe-0.7)/(R*(beta+1))? 2016-10-24T07:23:28 < LeelooMinai> But that's some circuit equation - you have R there. 2016-10-24T07:24:02 < LeelooMinai> You talk about some specific setup and think that this all applies to a transistor in general. 2016-10-24T07:24:05 < Thorn> it's my emitter resistor 2016-10-24T07:24:27 < LeelooMinai> That's wonderful, but you must have other things there power source hopefully, etc. 2016-10-24T07:24:28 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T07:24:52 < LeelooMinai> If you started "hey I have this circuit there and try to solve it", ok, but you just talk about beta... 2016-10-24T07:25:25 < LeelooMinai> Unless I missed you linking to some circuit, but I don't see any link... 2016-10-24T07:25:59 < Thorn> s/Vbe/Vb/, it's the voltage applied to base Ic=0 -> Ib = (Vb-0.7)/R, Ic>0 -> Ib = (Vb-0.7)/(R*(beta+1)) 2016-10-24T07:27:09 < LeelooMinai> Ok, so I assume it's a transistor with resistor R between the emitter and ground. 2016-10-24T07:28:08 < LeelooMinai> Then this equation is only valid for C being connected to something - not disconnected. 2016-10-24T07:30:32 < Thorn> what if C is connected to base through R2 = 100MOhm? 2016-10-24T07:32:34 < Thorn> Vb > 0.7V, R at the E to gnd. what is Ib 2016-10-24T07:34:30 < LeelooMinai> Well, you have three choices for finding out. 2016-10-24T07:34:53 < LeelooMinai> You can simulate it, you can apply basic circuit laws to solve the circuit, or you can try it in RL:) 2016-10-24T07:35:29 < LeelooMinai> But, it's a lame circuit just by thinking about it. 2016-10-24T07:36:12 < LeelooMinai> The resistor will massivelly limit the current and you have a weird configuration where you can be sure that you won't amplify bigger current with smaller one. 2016-10-24T07:37:18 < LeelooMinai> And even worse, you have only one current source that goes to the base. 2016-10-24T07:37:39 < LeelooMinai> And no separate C current source. 2016-10-24T07:37:56 < LeelooMinai> That's a hint that you are doing something rather useless. 2016-10-24T07:39:01 < LeelooMinai> To properly set it up you need C being higher voltage than B, and your scenario preventa that. 2016-10-24T07:39:09 < LeelooMinai> prevents* 2016-10-24T07:39:48 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Does it make sense, or what? Are you alive? :p 2016-10-24T07:39:52 < Thorn> it's probably useless in practice but I have a feeling it can be useful to understand transistor behavior 2016-10-24T07:40:42 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Forget that R on the emiter imo if you want to understand the basic behaviour. Just ask if you don't understand something about BJT in general. 2016-10-24T07:41:10 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T07:41:18 < LeelooMinai> imo the biggest mistake textbooks make is introducing transistor as amplifier - it doesn't amplify anything. 2016-10-24T07:42:27 < LeelooMinai> Circuits with transistors can amplify signals, but transistor by itself can only control one current with another (or with mosfets control current with voltage) 2016-10-24T07:43:31 < LeelooMinai> But it's not like you can put some current into the base and magically it will become bigger on the emitter. All transistor does is control some bigger CE current with smaller base current, but you still need C being supplied from energy from somewhere else. 2016-10-24T07:44:01 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: In any case, as I wrote, if you don't get something basic about BJT, just ask. 2016-10-24T07:44:21 < LeelooMinai> Because it's difficult to tell now what you are thinking there. 2016-10-24T07:44:21 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-24T07:44:27 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-24T07:52:31 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-24T07:52:51 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T07:55:13 < Thorn> the answer is probably trivial once the question is properly formulated :) 2016-10-24T07:56:12 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Your resistor between the B and C would make sense if you connected some current source to C instead ob B 2016-10-24T07:56:16 < LeelooMinai> of* 2016-10-24T07:57:00 < LeelooMinai> Because then it would limit the current to B and B voltage would be smaller than C - that's ok. 2016-10-24T07:57:29 < LeelooMinai> Though in practice the resistor would not be 100MΩ of course 2016-10-24T07:57:45 < LeelooMinai> Far too large. 2016-10-24T07:58:47 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Be careful of using extreme values for those equations. RL transistors follow that equation only in the "linear" region, where currents are reasonable. 2016-10-24T07:58:48 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-24T07:59:22 < LeelooMinai> For other values suddenly you have a curve there and all you can do is look it up in the datasheet maybe. 2016-10-24T07:59:31 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T08:00:00 < LeelooMinai> That's why it's important to "bias" transistors in circuits - set up the circuit so that the transistor works with reasonable values and acts linearly, 2016-10-24T08:00:44 < LeelooMinai> By which I mean that the CE current changes with respect to the B current porportionally (according to the beta). 2016-10-24T08:05:45 < dongs> altidumb just had a catastrophic failure 2016-10-24T08:10:20 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: You sit by dongs? :p 2016-10-24T08:14:48 < LeelooMinai> From Thorns questions I suspect he has some conceptual misunderstandings, but for some reason doesn't ask about those. 2016-10-24T08:14:51 < Thorn> where is the threshold between ratio and no ratio? there probably has to be some smooth transition 2016-10-24T08:15:37 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: That all depends what you are talking about: mathematics, theory of circuits, physics, RL behaviour? 2016-10-24T08:16:26 < LeelooMinai> With extreme values, depending on what you are talking about, there will be different answers... 2016-10-24T08:16:44 < LeelooMinai> With "normal" values they may behave similarly more or less. 2016-10-24T08:17:10 < Thorn> there is a mode where emitter R looks like R. there is a more where it looks like R*(beta+1). can I get to 1/2*(R + R*(beta+1))? 2016-10-24T08:17:15 < LeelooMinai> So, you cannot just ask those quesions, without explaining what you are talking about: math, circuit, etc. 2016-10-24T08:17:29 < Thorn> s/more/mode/ 2016-10-24T08:18:50 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: As I wrote, I don't like that R there... Are you studiyng to understand some particular circuit, or you want to know how transistors work? 2016-10-24T08:19:42 < LeelooMinai> lol... 2016-10-24T08:19:51 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: I don't think that will help him:) 2016-10-24T08:21:00 * LeelooMinai sighs 2016-10-24T08:23:07 -!- bilboquet [~bilboquet@95-210-223-250.ip.skylogicnet.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-24T08:27:39 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-24T08:29:32 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-24T09:03:37 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-122-245.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T09:21:02 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-122-245.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-24T09:30:11 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-24T09:35:41 -!- PaulFertser_ is now known as PaulFertser 2016-10-24T09:39:38 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T09:46:01 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T09:53:02 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T09:55:41 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T10:01:03 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T10:06:12 < Steffanx> Ios mr ohsix? You mean mac os (x)? 2016-10-24T10:14:06 < Thorn> ok so 100 connectors cost less than 50 of them 2016-10-24T10:15:12 * LeelooMinai pomders why she reads "macos" as "macros" every time 2016-10-24T10:16:10 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Where are you capital letters? :p 2016-10-24T10:16:36 * stvn pulls another autism bong 2016-10-24T10:17:02 < dongs> Steffanx: mac o(h)s(ix) 2016-10-24T10:17:14 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: I find your sentences pretty confusing in general. But with no punctuation, it's even worse. 2016-10-24T10:20:35 < LeelooMinai> It's just an obsrvation - you use comma in place of period and in all sorts of weird places - not sure if you know it. 2016-10-24T10:21:08 < LeelooMinai> Well: "you can even find cases where macos (as of sierra) does the 'in finder file progress' thing really wrong, they've got app store launcher stuff that shows download/install process and it's broke as shit" 2016-10-24T10:21:22 < LeelooMinai> What is this comma between wrong and they? 2016-10-24T10:21:44 < LeelooMinai> Well, that.s not how it is used... 2016-10-24T10:22:28 < LeelooMinai> I mean I would put . there and start a new sentence. Or maybe use semicolon or something. 2016-10-24T10:24:52 < LeelooMinai> Depends what you meant. Period, dash, colon, semicolon: you could use those to be more precies, but certainly no comma imo. 2016-10-24T10:25:25 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has quit [Quit: exit] 2016-10-24T10:25:59 < LeelooMinai> Ok, one way: Well: "you can even find cases where macos (as of sierra) does the 'in finder file progress' thing really wrong - they've got app store launcher stuff that shows download/install process and it's broke as shit" 2016-10-24T10:27:24 < LeelooMinai> It's similar to a colon 2016-10-24T10:28:18 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T10:28:28 < LeelooMinai> http://www.thepunctuationguide.com/em-dash.html 2016-10-24T10:28:45 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T10:30:58 < LeelooMinai> If you use a comma to join related sentences, you need to put something after it so it's known what's going on, like "but" or "so", "or", etc. 2016-10-24T10:32:34 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-24T10:33:10 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T10:34:05 < LeelooMinai> ^ Again, weird imo:) 2016-10-24T10:35:01 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Yoou joined two sentences that could be perfectly fine separate with a comma there - no idea why. 2016-10-24T10:37:18 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-24T10:37:19 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: English is my second language, so, I don't know - I am sure there are some channels about English? If you don't think I am right, you may ask there or something - have a second opinion:) 2016-10-24T10:37:40 -!- _franck_ [527f6536@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.127.101.54] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T10:37:56 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-24T10:38:27 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@106.77.210.137] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T10:38:40 < LeelooMinai> Well, there are some rules as to the grammar. I know some of them are a bit loose, like comma before but, etc., but you know, you cannot break all of them and say it's still ok... 2016-10-24T10:39:47 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0af655.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T10:39:53 < LeelooMinai> Ok, I am going to sleep anyways, befor someone will say we "autism" here... 2016-10-24T10:41:57 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T10:47:14 -!- Jak_o_Shadows1 [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T10:48:57 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-24T10:49:53 -!- Streaker [~Streaker@106.77.210.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-24T10:55:36 < stvn> the show 2016-10-24T11:00:49 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T11:00:51 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-24T11:12:35 < Steffanx> Someone already said that leeloominai ;) 2016-10-24T11:14:34 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-24T11:22:49 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T11:29:40 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.83] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T11:35:28 < upgrdman> why does AssToMouthMinai keep bitching about autism 2016-10-24T11:36:12 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-24T11:55:37 -!- zapb_ [~zapb@static.61.224.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-24T11:57:03 -!- zapb_ [~zapb@static.61.224.47.78.clients.your-server.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T11:57:10 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-24T12:06:59 < PeterM> man, im not sure what you're talkign about, i dont see anyone bithcing or going super autismo 2016-10-24T12:10:02 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-24T12:10:59 < dongs> me neither 2016-10-24T12:11:11 < dongs> channel all day today was Thorn blogging some proEE shit to himself 2016-10-24T12:11:16 < dongs> and nothign else of value happening 2016-10-24T12:12:05 < PeterM> yeah, he really seemed to get shit done by himself. good to see. 2016-10-24T12:13:11 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-24T12:19:34 < dongs> huh, TI publishes Some SDR thing reference design sores 2016-10-24T12:19:44 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/tool/TIDEP0040 2016-10-24T12:21:05 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0af655.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-24T12:26:29 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T12:26:29 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-24T12:44:10 < dongs> lol. enabling LTDC on F429 = no USB_FS 2016-10-24T12:44:17 < dongs> how the fuck did ST miss this 2016-10-24T12:44:29 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has left ##stm32 [] 2016-10-24T12:47:51 < qyx> whats ltdc 2016-10-24T12:47:57 < dongs> parallel lcd controller 2016-10-24T12:53:04 < jpa-> doesn't F429 discovery have LTDC and usb? 2016-10-24T12:53:36 < dongs> using OTG_HS_something with the other core 2016-10-24T12:53:42 < dongs> but not the usb bootloader capable Usb core 2016-10-24T12:54:13 < dongs> PA11/12 is assigned to R4/R5 or lcd controller 2016-10-24T12:54:16 < dongs> and no alternative 2016-10-24T12:54:33 < dongs> tbh pin assignment is absolute garbage 2016-10-24T12:54:58 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/QYFDqPW.png 2016-10-24T12:55:00 < dongs> like, wut? 2016-10-24T12:55:15 < dongs> lets just shit a couple signals here and tehre for something thats a parallel bus 2016-10-24T12:56:22 < Fleck> it does! 2016-10-24T12:57:18 < jpa-> dongs: hmm yeah, looks like the bootloader can only use PA11/12 :/ 2016-10-24T12:57:23 < dongs> right 2016-10-24T12:57:43 < dongs> but fuck that pinout in general. 2016-10-24T12:58:18 < jpa-> true that 2016-10-24T12:58:30 < dongs> updatin cube 2016-10-24T12:58:34 < dongs> lets see if autoupdate actually works 2016-10-24T13:01:20 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T13:10:56 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-24T13:18:38 < kimmoli> those cheap 0.99 GPS things are sold out.. 2016-10-24T13:19:18 < kimmoli> my update was "sorry, do you mind us to refund?" 2016-10-24T13:21:06 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-24T13:24:05 < kimmoli> no 5-stars buziness? 2016-10-24T13:47:11 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-24T13:47:14 -!- zyp_ is now known as zyp 2016-10-24T13:48:54 < zyp> dongs, another argument to do custom bootloader then 2016-10-24T13:49:39 < Steffanx> Yep. Here too ohsix. 2016-10-24T13:51:19 < Steffanx> Can you even leave negative feedback when you accepted a refund on ebay? 2016-10-24T13:52:03 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-122-245.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T13:55:18 < Steffanx> Time to screw over some chinese and complain at ebay customer service thing :P 2016-10-24T13:56:48 < Kliment_> dongs: You might want to consider a non-USB bootloader 2016-10-24T13:56:55 -!- Kliment_ is now known as Kliment 2016-10-24T14:01:20 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-122-245.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-24T14:01:43 -!- tecdroid [~icke@2a01:598:89c3:ec46:d27e:35ff:fe97:9f87] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T14:13:02 < Kliment> ohsix: That would probably result in something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclopedia_Dramatica 2016-10-24T14:16:46 < Kliment> Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncyclopedia 2016-10-24T14:19:01 -!- FransWillem [~quassel@5355DBEE.cm-6-6d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-24T14:23:39 -!- Frans-Willem [~quassel@5355DBEE.cm-6-6d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T14:26:17 < dongs> wow, what the fuck 2016-10-24T14:26:25 < dongs> altium design files for 429ZI nucleo 2016-10-24T14:27:05 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/hq1Z8fO.png THIS is the model for where MCU goes 2016-10-24T14:27:51 < dongs> o shit, its an actual socket 2016-10-24T14:28:51 < Ultrasauce> those leads look like a nightmare for assembly 2016-10-24T14:29:18 < dongs> yeah but thats why ST had those solder-filled areas around the qfp 2016-10-24T14:29:26 < dongs> upgrdman was asking about this shit a while ago 2016-10-24T14:30:08 -!- tkoskine [tkoskine@kapsi.fi] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T14:30:59 < Kliment> dongs: Solder tabs in the corners? 2016-10-24T14:31:03 < dongs> yes 2016-10-24T14:31:44 < dongs> fucking imgur shitted itself 2016-10-24T14:32:08 < dongs> http://www.carminenoviello.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/nucleo_144_large-2.jpg the 4 things around the mcu corners 2016-10-24T14:33:20 < dongs> despite what LeeManMinai tried to said before I put him on ignore 2016-10-24T14:33:33 < dongs> something about fiducials/other dumb faggotry 2016-10-24T14:34:21 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-24T14:38:34 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T14:47:02 < dongs> uh oh 2016-10-24T14:47:05 < dongs> cubemx updating itself 2016-10-24T14:50:32 < Kliment> dongs: Oh, those are solder thief pads 2016-10-24T14:50:47 < Kliment> dongs: They're there to prevent shorts in the corner pins during wave soldering 2016-10-24T14:51:38 < dongs> kliment, they're obviously for that weird socket 2016-10-24T14:51:56 < dongs> < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/hq1Z8fO.png 2016-10-24T14:51:56 < Kliment> Oh I see 2016-10-24T14:52:02 < Kliment> Yeah, you're right 2016-10-24T14:52:22 < Kliment> What a strange setup 2016-10-24T14:52:47 < dongs> a real question to ask ST FAE next time you're at makerfaile 2016-10-24T14:53:08 < Kliment> I think I'm done talking to ST reps at events 2016-10-24T14:53:21 < Kliment> infineon on the other hand was rather amusing 2016-10-24T14:53:50 < Kliment> "I don't know anything about this stuff, they just put me here because I'm the only Italian-speaker in the office, but here, have lots of free stuff" 2016-10-24T14:54:28 < Thorn> customer wants me to use AP8921A voice ICs 2016-10-24T14:54:47 < dongs> lol thonr. cant you replace that with a F0 2016-10-24T14:55:03 < dongs> with 64k eeprom lol 2016-10-24T14:56:05 < Thorn> that is my suggestion 2016-10-24T14:56:16 < Thorn> but they already have a few hundred of those 2016-10-24T14:59:26 < Thorn> they also seem to have a DAC and an amplifier built in 2016-10-24T14:59:36 < Thorn> for some values of DAC and amplifier 2016-10-24T14:59:45 < dongs> right 2016-10-24T14:59:59 < dongs> but 6bit adpcm is complete aids 2016-10-24T15:00:14 < dongs> you could probly have better quality audio out of an AVR 2016-10-24T15:00:26 < Kliment> How come so many of the audio ASIC manufacturers are in .tw? 2016-10-24T15:00:27 < Thorn> yeah I heard it in one of their products 2016-10-24T15:00:47 < Thorn> same with LED drivers (Macroblock etc.) 2016-10-24T15:01:29 < dongs> Kliment: someone gotta make single purpose chips for al lthe talking barbies 2016-10-24T15:01:45 < Thorn> are there some *really* cheap i2s decoders? 2016-10-24T15:02:01 < dongs> thorn, define "cheap"? cheap to what? 2016-10-24T15:02:12 < dongs> CS43L22 on F4-discovery is cheap. 2016-10-24T15:02:13 < jpa-> and decoder to what output type? 2016-10-24T15:03:46 < Kliment> dongs: The 8921A has a 4 bit ADPCM codec with a SR of 6k 2016-10-24T15:04:04 < Kliment> dongs: But it can also do 8 bit plain PCM 2016-10-24T15:04:07 < Thorn> to analog audio 2016-10-24T15:06:55 < Thorn> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/0b/3c/eb/33/eb/27/4f/fd/DM00109192.pdf/files/DM00109192.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00109192.pdf 2016-10-24T15:07:15 < dongs> Thorn: just do pwm on F0 and use somehting like PAM8301 for amp 2016-10-24T15:08:42 < jpa-> yeah 2016-10-24T15:08:57 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.83] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T15:09:05 < jpa-> or the 12-bit DAC with software dither 2016-10-24T15:09:38 < jpa-> 1MSps 12-bit DAC is plenty fast enough to get equivalent of 44kSps 16-bit DAC 2016-10-24T15:14:14 < Kliment> https://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/akm-semiconductor-inc/AK4430ET/974-1017-1-ND/2333403 this is cheap and extremely high quality 2016-10-24T15:15:17 < Kliment> But yeah, using the onboard DAC of a chip is fine if you don't need the crazy low noise 2016-10-24T15:15:40 < dongs> heh Kliment i was just getting recommendations on I2S ADC and i was linked to AKM stuff. 2016-10-24T15:16:07 < Kliment> dongs: Want the rolls royce of codecs? 2016-10-24T15:16:16 < Kliment> dongs: AK4558EN 2016-10-24T15:16:35 < dongs> huh its acutally cheaper than TI tarsh 2016-10-24T15:16:57 < Kliment> Yeah but a bit messier to work with 2016-10-24T15:17:06 < Kliment> See this thread https://forum.pjrc.com/threads/32276-HiFi-Audio-CODEC-Module-AK4558-evaluation-board-in-a-square-inch-PCB 2016-10-24T15:17:34 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/akm-semiconductor-inc/AK5355VT/974-1026-1-ND/2333409 this looks good en ough for my purposes 2016-10-24T15:17:46 < Thorn> all I need is a 8-bit sound, like old arcade games so I guess a true audio codec is a huge overkill 2016-10-24T15:18:05 < Thorn> so it's either builtin dac or pwm 2016-10-24T15:18:18 < Thorn> thanks for suggestions, reading appnotes and shit 2016-10-24T15:22:30 < Kliment> Well crap, the PCBs I ordered to be a perfect fit for a box are not 2016-10-24T15:22:39 < Kliment> Because the box lid is inset by 1mm 2016-10-24T15:23:00 < Kliment> Of course this is mentioned NOWHERE in the mechanical drawings for the box 2016-10-24T15:23:01 < Ultrasauce> Thorn: needs more yamaha synth 2016-10-24T15:23:38 < Ultrasauce> ym3438 or something 2016-10-24T15:24:39 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T15:25:15 < Kliment> Fun times, I get to file half a mm off every surface of a complex PCB contour 2016-10-24T15:28:05 < Thorn> I had to file down supercap pins once 2016-10-24T15:31:02 < sync> Kliment: how is that codec extremely high quality with only 108dB or dynamic range? 2016-10-24T15:32:17 < Kliment> sync: it's shockingly good for the price 2016-10-24T15:32:40 < Kliment> sync: Of course there are better ones, but then you're going into proper hifi territory 2016-10-24T15:33:06 < Kliment> sync: But it has the best specs-to-price ratio I've seen so far 2016-10-24T15:34:27 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.63.64] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-24T15:35:29 < sync> the ak4495 looks pretty nice 2016-10-24T15:36:42 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T15:36:42 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-24T15:36:54 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ is now known as Mr_Sheesh 2016-10-24T15:37:25 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T15:37:43 < Kliment> sync: yummy but getting to "this is now more than half my BOM" territory 2016-10-24T15:39:39 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T15:39:55 -!- kimmoli_ [~kl@194.100.69.195] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T15:40:12 -!- kakimir_ [kakimir@sienimetsa.wtf] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T15:40:36 -!- sooda_ [sooda@62-78-158-173.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T15:43:41 -!- bsdfox_ [~h36sa@104.220.11.55] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T15:43:41 -!- bsdfox_ [~h36sa@104.220.11.55] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-24T15:43:41 -!- bsdfox_ [~h36sa@freebsd/contributor/bobryan] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T15:45:21 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: kakimir, ABLomas, bobryan, sooda, daey, kimmoli 2016-10-24T15:45:22 -!- bsdfox_ is now known as bobryan 2016-10-24T15:45:25 -!- ohsix_ [ohsix@72.35.133.5] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T15:45:27 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-24T15:46:39 -!- Jak_o_Shadows1 [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-24T15:49:17 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T15:49:29 -!- tecdroid [~icke@2a01:598:89c3:ec46:d27e:35ff:fe97:9f87] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-24T15:49:44 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-24T15:51:09 -!- ABLomas [abl@78-60-198-200.static.zebra.lt] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T15:51:28 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-24T15:51:33 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T15:54:44 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T15:55:54 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T16:04:20 -!- tecdroid [~icke@2a01:598:89c2:c005:d27e:35ff:fe97:9f87] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T16:05:06 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-24T16:17:19 -!- sooda_ is now known as sooda 2016-10-24T16:23:16 < dongs> hmm 2016-10-24T16:23:23 < dongs> somehow 429 disco managed 16bit sdram + LDTC 2016-10-24T16:23:29 < dongs> yet CUBE doesnt think thats psosible 2016-10-24T16:24:51 < dongs> oh i see 2016-10-24T16:24:55 < dongs> you choose Sdram FIRST then LDTC. 2016-10-24T16:26:27 < Steffanx> Lol. 2016-10-24T16:35:38 -!- kimmoli_ is now known as kimmoli 2016-10-24T16:37:41 < Laurenceb_> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2702783/ 2016-10-24T16:37:49 < sync> nice dongs 2016-10-24T16:39:12 < Kliment> is digikey down for anyone else? 2016-10-24T16:39:32 < dongs> works here 2016-10-24T16:39:37 < dongs> i was just searching it for sdram 2016-10-24T16:40:02 < Kliment> dongs: Can you check if you can open this link? https://digikey.de/product-search/de/Spannungsversorgungen---Kartenmontage/AC-DC-Wandler/4325929?v=102,8094 2016-10-24T16:40:05 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EShUeudtaFg 2016-10-24T16:40:11 < Kliment> Maybe it's just the German site that's not working 2016-10-24T16:40:27 < dongs> ded 2016-10-24T16:40:30 < dongs> its german one. 2016-10-24T16:40:39 < Laurenceb_> not loading for me 2016-10-24T16:41:17 < Kliment> .com is not loading for me either tho 2016-10-24T16:41:29 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/issi-integrated-silicon-solution-inc/IS42S16400J-6TL/706-1131-ND/2708625 2016-10-24T16:41:32 < dongs> works 2016-10-24T16:41:54 < Kliment> Oh yeah, that works (but slow for some reason) 2016-10-24T16:45:15 < Kliment> Let's see if I can get that same search running on there 2016-10-24T16:45:39 < Kliment> Nope 2016-10-24T16:45:53 < Kliment> https://digikey.com/product-search/en/Power-Supplies---Board-Mount/AC-DC-Converters/4325929?v=102,8094 fails 2016-10-24T16:46:52 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T16:47:17 < Rob235> so I wake up to the ding of the email that the GPS modules are out of stock.... 2016-10-24T16:47:21 < Rob235> bastards 2016-10-24T16:47:26 < Rob235> great way to start the day :P 2016-10-24T16:47:26 < zyp> ok 2016-10-24T16:47:30 < dongs> o6 have trolled you all 2016-10-24T16:47:37 < dongs> meanwhile, i have that fucking module on my shelf 2016-10-24T16:47:41 < dongs> for hte lat ~6 months 2016-10-24T16:47:43 < dongs> last 2016-10-24T16:47:43 < Rob235> I have one too 2016-10-24T16:47:44 < dongs> doing fuckall 2016-10-24T16:47:50 < dongs> which would be EXACTLY what you'd be doing wiht it 2016-10-24T16:47:52 < Rob235> for the drone 2016-10-24T16:47:52 < dongs> after ordering 2016-10-24T16:47:54 < Laurenceb_> what modules do you need? 2016-10-24T16:48:05 < Rob235> true, I dont need more than one atm 2016-10-24T16:48:07 < Rob235> but still 2016-10-24T16:48:13 < Rob235> it sucks that ebay allows that shit 2016-10-24T16:48:28 < Laurenceb_> buying modules on ebay... 2016-10-24T16:48:28 < Kliment> Rob235: What module, and what is it for, and how many do you need? 2016-10-24T16:48:41 < sync> Laurenceb_: just had a brainfart, I wonder how well your position estimator would work on loudspeakers 2016-10-24T16:48:42 < Rob235> it was the neo-m8n gps 2016-10-24T16:48:43 * Laurenceb_ uses ublox modules from ublox 2016-10-24T16:48:50 < Rob235> I ordered 4 for 4.88 2016-10-24T16:48:52 < Rob235> usd 2016-10-24T16:49:04 < Laurenceb_> sync: my position estimator? huh 2016-10-24T16:49:13 < sync> well, the kalman filter shiet 2016-10-24T16:49:16 < Laurenceb_> ah 2016-10-24T16:49:19 < sync> with the VCA 2016-10-24T16:49:48 < Laurenceb_> you mean for indoor tracking? 2016-10-24T16:50:17 < sync> no, position tracking for the motor in speakers :P 2016-10-24T16:50:22 < Rob235> the gps doesn't bother me so much except for the fact that I was a retard and tried to open the casing when I didn't realize there was screws on the bottom (already stuck to a gps stand) so now it looks a little messed up 2016-10-24T16:50:30 < Laurenceb_> oh i get you, using inductive feedback 2016-10-24T16:50:36 < sync> yes 2016-10-24T16:50:42 < Laurenceb_> Rob235: what type of GPS do you need 2016-10-24T16:50:53 < Laurenceb_> tbh I'd strongly recommend ublox 2016-10-24T16:51:06 < Rob235> thats what I have, the ublox neo-m8n 2016-10-24T16:51:10 < Laurenceb_> and you can buy direct from them, even single modules 2016-10-24T16:51:11 < sync> I wonder if that would actually produce some benefits 2016-10-24T16:51:18 < Laurenceb_> ah no problem then, buy from ublox 2016-10-24T16:51:43 < Laurenceb_> shipping might get expensive, but they might have some stock in us already, I dunno 2016-10-24T16:52:05 < Laurenceb_> mine ship from ublox hq in Tectuland 2016-10-24T16:52:17 < Rob235> ehh its just a few scuff marks from trying to pry with a small screwdriver, it will be ok. it will look much worse after a few crashes :P 2016-10-24T16:53:25 -!- tecdroid [~icke@2a01:598:89c2:c005:d27e:35ff:fe97:9f87] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-24T16:59:14 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-24T16:59:48 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/5E8XPkD.gifv 2016-10-24T17:02:45 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-24T17:05:09 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-24T17:13:38 -!- sterna [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T17:14:53 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T17:21:06 -!- _Getty is now known as Getty 2016-10-24T17:24:11 < Steffanx> Rob235 everyone in here received that email. 2016-10-24T17:24:21 < Rob235> yea i know 2016-10-24T17:24:26 < karlp> which email? 2016-10-24T17:24:42 < Steffanx> Those 99c modules being out of stock. 2016-10-24T17:24:51 < Steffanx> Dji gps thingy 2016-10-24T17:24:56 < karlp> I think I missed some logs over the weekend :) 2016-10-24T17:25:21 < Steffanx> It was too cheap to be true. 2016-10-24T17:26:03 < Steffanx> Did you check the gdb script karlp? 2016-10-24T17:26:20 < Steffanx> Only last commit in px4 repo is not in zyp snips 2016-10-24T17:33:50 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/ikhQVNyZIRw they aren't all winners but pretty entertaining 2016-10-24T17:37:49 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T17:40:02 < jadew> dongs, nice trick 2016-10-24T17:57:00 -!- sterna [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-24T18:04:29 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T18:11:31 < Tectu> sup pic32 2016-10-24T18:17:09 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-24T18:25:11 < Ecco> Hi 2016-10-24T18:25:18 < Ecco> How do you guys determine Cap max voltage? 2016-10-24T18:25:36 < dongs> by reading datasheet 2016-10-24T18:26:07 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T18:26:38 < Ecco> Well they're very often not mentionned 2016-10-24T18:26:44 < Ecco> e.g. filtering capacitor on an STM32 2016-10-24T18:26:55 < Tectu> uhm? 2016-10-24T18:27:01 < Tectu> you know the supply voltage of your chip, no? 2016-10-24T18:27:04 < Ecco> Yeah 2016-10-24T18:27:16 < zyp> you mean Vcap? 2016-10-24T18:27:22 < Tectu> and the internal Vreg is usually 1.2V if I am not mistaken (also mentioned in the datasheet) 2016-10-24T18:27:41 < dongs> wat 2016-10-24T18:27:47 < dongs> 0.1uF caps are liek 16-50V by default 2016-10-24T18:27:50 < dongs> or wahtever 2016-10-24T18:27:58 < zyp> yeah 2016-10-24T18:27:59 < dongs> it'd be pretty hard to get them in anything below 6.3V 2016-10-24T18:28:04 < Tectu> indeed 2016-10-24T18:28:15 < dongs> so theres nothign to worry about 2016-10-24T18:28:46 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-24T18:28:52 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/117421627/the-peachy-printer-the-first-100-3d-printer-and-sc/posts/1707009 hey look shittyprinter is SURPRISE! failing 2016-10-24T18:29:24 < Tectu> > This was a scam from day 1. 2016-10-24T18:29:40 < dongs> thats the one where guy took off wiht 300k of dickstarter cahs 2016-10-24T18:29:43 < aandrew> yep 2016-10-24T18:29:43 < dongs> and built himself a new house 2016-10-24T18:29:44 < aandrew> built a house 2016-10-24T18:29:51 < dongs> loldongs 2016-10-24T18:29:52 < aandrew> I am really cuiorus what the truth is 2016-10-24T18:30:04 < aandrew> because CRA (canadian IRS) would have a very big interest in this 2016-10-24T18:30:09 < Tectu> IRS? 2016-10-24T18:30:15 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_6Wkqbo2H8 with guys like this 2016-10-24T18:30:17 < dongs> its pretty clear 2016-10-24T18:30:21 < dongs> every single peenny was spent on weed 2016-10-24T18:30:30 < dongs> and they were high as fuck the entire time 2016-10-24T18:31:17 < Tectu> lol 2016-10-24T18:31:46 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-24T18:35:42 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T18:36:45 -!- sterna [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T18:41:25 < dongs> tectu, does uGFX support HDMI output 2016-10-24T18:43:17 < Tectu> dongs, it doesn't care where you output to. 2016-10-24T18:43:30 < Tectu> dongs, but yes, we have lots of people that put stuff on HDMI displays 2016-10-24T18:43:36 < Tectu> > food 2016-10-24T18:44:15 < Tectu> dongs, best video on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSwgawxXbFA&t=2s 2016-10-24T18:44:58 < dongs> > hdmi to vga 2016-10-24T18:45:02 < dongs> what the fuck 2016-10-24T18:46:56 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-24T18:49:25 -!- damme_ [~damme@h-203-16.a216.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T18:49:46 -!- damme [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2016-10-24T18:52:10 -!- sterna [~Adium@212.73.177.219] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-24T18:58:49 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.19] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T18:59:17 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T18:59:22 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.60.237] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T19:00:07 < dongs> ahahahahahahah 2016-10-24T19:00:09 < dongs> found the problem in that video 2016-10-24T19:00:20 < dongs> https://youtu.be/M_6Wkqbo2H8?t=1664 2016-10-24T19:00:32 < dongs> you NEVER buy a picknplace machine to make 100 boards 2016-10-24T19:01:16 < dongs> you don't have enough capital to make 5000 boards but you have enough to get a dicknpplace? 2016-10-24T19:01:25 < dongs> hey englishman these guys are probly selling unusd dickplnace 2016-10-24T19:01:28 < dongs> you should call them up 2016-10-24T19:02:12 < dongs> oh looks like they didnt actualyl buy 2016-10-24T19:02:14 < dongs> donno 2016-10-24T19:02:16 < dongs> old video 2016-10-24T19:02:25 < dongs> im watching and getting stoned 2016-10-24T19:02:37 < dongs> yes 2016-10-24T19:07:18 < dongs> oh look rainbow jumper cables 2016-10-24T19:12:19 < Rob235> I'm tired of seeing this guys ass crack 2016-10-24T19:12:55 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T19:19:51 < Steffanx> lol wut Rob235? 2016-10-24T19:20:24 < Rob235> guess you arent watching the peachy video 2016-10-24T19:22:20 < Steffanx> Oh, i skipped through it a bit. 2016-10-24T19:23:57 < Steffanx> damn.. you desk englishman. Is that REAL? 2016-10-24T19:24:02 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-24T19:24:21 < dongs> http://metro.co.uk/2016/10/24/white-lives-matter-protest-doesnt-go-quite-to-plan-6211406/ Laurenceb trolling again 2016-10-24T19:24:39 < Steffanx> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/desks.links > englishman 2016-10-24T19:25:08 < Steffanx> More screens added? 2016-10-24T19:25:33 < Steffanx> -_-. WHY 2016-10-24T19:26:38 < zyp> pfft, it's just so you can watch all the porn 2016-10-24T19:28:13 < Steffanx> Better get 6 times the same screen then. looks much better. 2016-10-24T19:28:24 < zyp> karlp, hey, that first desk link for me is crt's 2016-10-24T19:28:33 < dongs> lol crt's desk 2016-10-24T19:28:35 < zyp> you've made a copypaste error 2016-10-24T19:29:31 < Steffanx> those are your snips zyp :P 2016-10-24T19:29:36 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-24T19:31:55 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T19:33:12 < dongs> emeb: ping 2016-10-24T19:33:29 < emeb> dongs: pong 2016-10-24T19:33:33 < dongs> oh, nice 2016-10-24T19:33:34 < dongs> got a q 2016-10-24T19:33:38 < Rob235> really? they didn't know lenses had to be put in the correct way? 2016-10-24T19:33:41 < dongs> on STM32 I2S 2016-10-24T19:33:50 < dongs> if I have say 48khz/24bit ADC 2016-10-24T19:34:04 < dongs> can i just ignore top/bottom bits to mke it 16? 2016-10-24T19:34:19 < dongs> i guess bottom 2016-10-24T19:34:26 -!- kisielk_ [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T19:34:57 < zyp> you mean you have 16-bit data and want to send 24-bit I2S? 2016-10-24T19:35:02 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T19:35:10 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-24T19:35:15 < dongs> the ot her way around 2016-10-24T19:35:18 < dongs> ADC outputs 24bit i2s. 2016-10-24T19:35:22 < dongs> but i dont want that much. 2016-10-24T19:35:27 < zyp> ah, inputting 2016-10-24T19:35:37 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T19:35:46 < qyx> cut off 1/3 of the IC 2016-10-24T19:35:55 < Rob235> you would just lose a little precision 2016-10-24T19:35:57 < dongs> and somewhat related to that, can I DMA from one i2s peripheral to another 2016-10-24T19:36:22 < zyp> I assume you'd have to configure I2S correctly for 24-bit, but you might be able to use some DMA trick to reduce it to 16-bit 2016-10-24T19:36:45 < zyp> maybe not 2016-10-24T19:37:19 < qyx> you would need exact synchronization 2016-10-24T19:37:31 < zyp> DMA from periph to periph will be fine as long as the DMA periph can reach the I2S periphs through both P-port and M-port 2016-10-24T19:38:00 < zyp> and you'd only get flow control from one of those, but if they're running from the same clock source they should run in sync anyway 2016-10-24T19:38:25 < zyp> flow control, i.e. dma requests 2016-10-24T19:38:29 < dongs> no, it would need to pass through memory 2016-10-24T19:38:46 < dongs> i kinda wanna peek into the data 2016-10-24T19:39:22 < zyp> okay, then some ring buffer with one DMA writing and one DMA reading 2016-10-24T19:39:33 < jadew> englishman, that wasn't my full desk anyway 2016-10-24T19:40:02 < dongs> yeah. acutally, i better rethink that part - i2s goes from adc to somewhere else, and I just wanna peek at the data, so maybe its easier to just tap it and listen, without acutally bothering to retransmit 2016-10-24T19:41:49 < emeb> dongs: yes - just drop LSbits you don't need. 2016-10-24T19:42:00 < dongs> lol, pro 2016-10-24T19:42:27 < dongs> emeb: any recomendation for a 48k/16bit adc i can buy thats decent quality/common? 2016-10-24T19:42:35 -!- kisielk_ [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-24T19:42:40 < dongs> i got AKM stuff but its all 24 bit or 16bit/44khz 2016-10-24T19:42:54 < emeb> dongs: for I2S? 2016-10-24T19:42:56 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-24T19:43:03 < dongs> preferably with as little external aids as possible 2016-10-24T19:43:12 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/akm-semiconductor-inc/AK5355VT/974-1026-1-ND/2333409 2016-10-24T19:43:12 < emeb> dongs: I like the CS4270 for cheap and easy to get. 2016-10-24T19:43:20 < dongs> this would be ideal but 44khz max 2016-10-24T19:43:47 < dongs> hmm obsolete :( 2016-10-24T19:43:50 < emeb> I used to use the WM8731 but the ADC side of it is a bit noisy 2016-10-24T19:44:36 < emeb> CS4270 isn't obsolete. It is old, but still very available. 2016-10-24T19:45:02 < dongs> ya digijew says obsolete. im suer china is all over it 2016-10-24T19:45:51 < emeb> I don't see obs on the dk page 2016-10-24T19:45:59 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cirrus-logic-inc/CS4270-DZZ/598-1622-ND/2024869 2016-10-24T19:46:02 < dongs> right here, right? 2016-10-24T19:46:05 < dongs> Obsolete item. 2016-10-24T19:46:19 < emeb> try the -CZZ variant 2016-10-24T19:46:24 < dongs> ah yeah 2016-10-24T19:46:52 < dongs> how much analog crap do i need to feed it line in? 2016-10-24T19:46:54 < dongs> just caps? 2016-10-24T19:46:58 < dongs> or more stuff 2016-10-24T19:47:41 < emeb> just caps 2016-10-24T19:47:54 < emeb> needs spi or i2c to configure @ startup tho 2016-10-24T19:48:12 < dongs> yeah. has standalone mode but probly better have it configurable 2016-10-24T19:48:28 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-24T19:48:30 < emeb> oh - for line in / out it needs some resistors to get the levels right. not critical values. easy stuff. 2016-10-24T19:48:51 < dongs> really only need line in, the DAC part would be unused on this thing 2016-10-24T19:49:11 < emeb> simple then. 2016-10-24T19:50:01 < dongs> would ou recommend that over AKM part? 2016-10-24T19:50:07 < dongs> quality-wise 2016-10-24T19:50:23 < dongs> not looking audiophool but better htan complete trash 2016-10-24T19:50:28 < emeb> AKM is generally good. 2016-10-24T19:50:44 < emeb> I have no basis to choose one over the other. 2016-10-24T19:50:51 < dongs> the shit I was looking it is also deltasigma so i guess if its similar tech it should be close enough right? 2016-10-24T19:50:53 < emeb> AKM part is cheaper, smaller. 2016-10-24T19:51:04 < dongs> CS is probly real cheap in chian tho 2016-10-24T19:51:20 < emeb> dongs: most audio I/O stuff is probaly deltasigma now. 2016-10-24T19:51:23 < dongs> the AKM part cant do 48khz 2016-10-24T19:51:24 < emeb> esp input 2016-10-24T19:52:35 < emeb> dongs: I bet that the AKM part *can* do 48k but isn't specified there. 2016-10-24T19:52:47 < emeb> probably all scales w/ MCLK 2016-10-24T19:52:48 < dongs> how would you make it tho? 2016-10-24T19:52:53 < dongs> ah 2016-10-24T19:53:01 < dongs> oVeRcLoCkInG? 2016-10-24T19:53:10 < emeb> yeah 2016-10-24T19:53:28 < dongs> worth the effort? ill ask both prices tho 2016-10-24T19:54:27 < emeb> dongs: look at "switching characteristics" table on pg 8 2016-10-24T19:54:38 < emeb> it's rated to run @ up to 50kHz 2016-10-24T19:54:46 < emeb> so you're good 2016-10-24T19:54:58 < dongs> oh hmm 2016-10-24T19:55:15 < emeb> they just quote all the audio specs @ 44.1k because standard. 2016-10-24T19:55:26 < dongs> right 2016-10-24T19:55:28 < dongs> and because 2005 2016-10-24T19:55:32 < emeb> exactly 2016-10-24T19:56:08 < dongs> ok, ill check prices on both and see 2016-10-24T19:56:20 < dongs> but if smaller akm can do it, thts better for me 2016-10-24T19:56:31 < emeb> yeah - no output section you don't need 2016-10-24T19:56:41 < emeb> and config is much easier 2016-10-24T19:57:35 < aandrew> hm, trying to get a job in switzerland 2016-10-24T19:57:48 < emeb> learn watchmaking 2016-10-24T19:58:03 < dongs> emeb: if i have that connected to I2S sink (receiver), and i want to listen in on the data, STM is I2S slave right 2016-10-24T19:58:18 < emeb> dongs: sure - easy. 2016-10-24T19:58:27 < emeb> I've run STM32 I2S in slave mode - works fine. 2016-10-24T19:58:44 < dongs> ok. cuz originally i was gonna receive with STM then retarnsmit over another I2S channel but that looks like overkill 2016-10-24T19:58:47 < dongs> if i can just listen in 2016-10-24T19:58:54 < emeb> ya 2016-10-24T19:59:13 < emeb> is other device a master? 2016-10-24T19:59:21 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-24T19:59:29 < emeb> no problem then 2016-10-24T20:00:20 < dongs> hm wait a sec. master generates mclk right? 2016-10-24T20:00:27 < emeb> yes 2016-10-24T20:00:51 < emeb> mclk must be 256/384/512 x LRCK 2016-10-24T20:00:54 < gxti> mclk is kind of optional to begin with 2016-10-24T20:00:54 < dongs> hmm then nope. i see stuff about it needing one or 'internally generating' 2016-10-24T20:01:24 < emeb> what's the other device? 2016-10-24T20:01:29 < dongs> hdmi transmitter 2016-10-24T20:01:33 < dongs> adv7513 2016-10-24T20:02:21 < emeb> interesting 2016-10-24T20:02:31 < emeb> diagram for that shows I2S input only 2016-10-24T20:02:37 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-24T20:02:55 < gxti> i've got some weird hacky i2s shit i've been putting off for a while, should wrap that up 2016-10-24T20:02:56 < emeb> well then STM32 can be master and ADV7513 can tap the bus 2016-10-24T20:03:01 < dongs> gxti: i thought i need to make mclk for the ADC to work 2016-10-24T20:03:08 < gxti> dongs: depends on the ADC, some don't need it 2016-10-24T20:03:25 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T20:03:25 < gxti> it's optional in the i2s spec but obviously any particular part can choose to use it or not 2016-10-24T20:03:31 < emeb> the AKM part needs it 2016-10-24T20:03:31 < dongs> emeb: okay, i see. so stm generates mclk + other shit and receives from ADC, and its also connected downstream to the ADV. 2016-10-24T20:03:52 < emeb> dongs: yeah - no need to retransmit - the adv can "sniff" 2016-10-24T20:04:01 < gxti> in any case the i2s slave is definitely not generating mclk... it's either coming from the master or from an external clock gen 2016-10-24T20:04:11 < emeb> yes 2016-10-24T20:04:17 < zyp> keep in mind stm32 might not be able to generate accurate mclk without weird crystal 2016-10-24T20:04:45 < gxti> well, it's not hard to find such crystals 2016-10-24T20:04:45 < emeb> good point - all depends on what the HDMI needs 2016-10-24T20:05:15 < zyp> gxti, but weird crystal might break other stuff, e.g. usb 2016-10-24T20:05:20 < gxti> yeah 2016-10-24T20:05:29 < dongs> USB stuff is long gone from this 2016-10-24T20:05:42 < dongs> LDTC disabled USB_FS 2016-10-24T20:05:45 < gxti> if you have goofy clocking requirements you can always use an external clock gen like si5351a 2016-10-24T20:05:49 < dongs> and then something else killed off USB_HS 2016-10-24T20:05:53 < emeb> it is possible to run I2S port from separate clock gen 2016-10-24T20:06:08 < gxti> those are pretty much designed to be used for spewing unrelated AV clocks 2016-10-24T20:06:11 < emeb> you'd have to have a funky freq osc driving pin on STM32 for that. 2016-10-24T20:07:41 < aandrew> englishman: yeah I'm kind of excited. 12mos, about 40% travel, FPGA and motor control 2016-10-24T20:09:02 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-24T20:16:07 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T20:18:02 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T20:18:12 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-24T20:18:44 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T20:18:54 < dongs> upgrdman: beep 2016-10-24T20:19:03 < upgrdman> boop 2016-10-24T20:19:11 < dongs> remember those weird pads around nucleos 2016-10-24T20:19:21 < upgrdman> ya 2016-10-24T20:19:23 < dongs> that leelooman said was for wave reflow or shit 2016-10-24T20:19:23 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/hq1Z8fO.png 2016-10-24T20:19:25 < upgrdman> the 45deg shitz 2016-10-24T20:19:26 < dongs> THis is what its for 2016-10-24T20:19:34 < dongs> ST has some socket that goes tehre 2016-10-24T20:19:42 < dongs> for 64/144 qfp 2016-10-24T20:19:48 < dongs> and thats the mounting pads for it 2016-10-24T20:19:52 < upgrdman> hmm 2016-10-24T20:19:55 < upgrdman> solder for bga? 2016-10-24T20:19:58 < upgrdman> socket* 2016-10-24T20:20:03 < dongs> socket for qfp 2016-10-24T20:20:12 < upgrdman> why? 2016-10-24T20:20:23 < dongs> donno to test the board with various chips I guess 2016-10-24T20:20:27 < aandrew> dongs: wtf, socket? 2016-10-24T20:20:30 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-24T20:20:33 < dongs> thats in altidumb data 2016-10-24T20:20:36 < dongs> from 144-nucleo 2016-10-24T20:20:41 < dongs> load it up and enable 3d models/bodies. 2016-10-24T20:20:48 < aandrew> ah 2016-10-24T20:20:53 < zyp> it got a part number? 2016-10-24T20:20:57 < dongs> nope 2016-10-24T20:21:00 < dongs> some int ernal shit 2016-10-24T20:21:02 < zyp> heh 2016-10-24T20:21:21 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T20:24:18 < upgrdman> dongs, http://techfrag.com/2016/10/24/amd-rx-470d-take-nvidia-gtx-1050-ti/ 2016-10-24T20:24:24 < upgrdman> has power conn tho 2016-10-24T20:24:38 < dongs> yas no D for me 2016-10-24T20:24:42 < dongs> getting 1050 as soon as its in stores 2016-10-24T20:25:37 < upgrdman> cool 2016-10-24T20:28:33 < dongs> i alreardy have an AMD i dont really want somethign else that doenst work 2016-10-24T20:31:51 < Steffanx> blalba. :P 2016-10-24T20:32:11 < Steffanx> oops, wrong channel. 2016-10-24T20:33:00 < Rob235> so what are fpga's mainly used for? 2016-10-24T20:33:21 < dongs> mining buttcoin 2016-10-24T20:33:45 < Rob235> anything useful? 2016-10-24T20:34:03 < Rob235> I mean they are interesting, I just can't imagine what they are used for 2016-10-24T20:34:12 < BrainDamage> processing data streams 2016-10-24T20:34:26 < BrainDamage> eg you can implement a video codec 2016-10-24T20:35:08 < Rob235> ahh ok, I knew video was an example, I just didn't know why 2016-10-24T20:35:18 < BrainDamage> it's not so much the repeatedly as the behaviour should be linear 2016-10-24T20:35:34 < BrainDamage> eg branching is shit due to fpga internal structure 2016-10-24T20:36:01 < BrainDamage> perhaps time invariant is a better definition 2016-10-24T20:37:20 < Kliment> FPGAs are lovely for highly parallel high speed stuff that needs deterministic timing 2016-10-24T20:37:58 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-24T20:38:36 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T20:39:06 < Steffanx> did Tectu hire you aandrew? 2016-10-24T20:39:47 < Rob235> do regular PCs use them in any way? 2016-10-24T20:41:19 < BrainDamage> generating fpga bitstreams take a truckload of time 2016-10-24T20:41:25 < BrainDamage> think of compiling, but 10x worse 2016-10-24T20:41:46 < Rob235> ahh 2016-10-24T20:41:55 < Steffanx> only 10 times? 2016-10-24T20:42:05 < BrainDamage> the 10 was arbitary 2016-10-24T20:45:38 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-19-73-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T20:46:18 < Kliment> Clifford's work on bitstream generation is pretty cool 2016-10-24T20:47:22 < Kliment> http://www.clifford.at/papers/2015/yosys-icestorm-etc/slides.pdf 2016-10-24T20:48:05 < Rob235> I assume the bitstream sets the fuses, what are those fuses, how do they work? 2016-10-24T20:48:19 < Kliment> Rob235: Go check that paper 2016-10-24T20:48:23 < Rob235> oh ok 2016-10-24T20:48:27 < Rob235> thanks 2016-10-24T20:55:30 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-24T20:59:18 < Rob235> ahh the video I was watching, if I paused it 30 seconds later, he says the fuses are like latches 2016-10-24T21:00:34 < Rob235> or more correctly put, the latches are like fuses 2016-10-24T21:02:09 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2016-10-24T21:05:25 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-24T21:08:54 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T21:18:02 < Steffanx> So did you accept fail-chinese refund Rob235? 2016-10-24T21:18:35 < Rob235> yup, the email woke me up this morning so I think I called him an asshole or something :P 2016-10-24T21:18:49 < Rob235> not really, I was just obviously annoyed 2016-10-24T21:19:00 < Steffanx> but now you cannot do feedback, can you? 2016-10-24T21:19:45 < Rob235> I actually just tried like an hour ago, it was letting me but then said you have to wait at least a week after placing the order to leave a negative review 2016-10-24T21:19:52 < Steffanx> ah 2016-10-24T21:22:34 -!- wanderman [~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T21:23:05 < Steffanx> Im just going to complain and complain, just because im bored :P 2016-10-24T21:23:38 < Rob235> I can't stand that they can do that 2016-10-24T21:24:37 < Rob235> I never fixed my cx30 because I thought I had 5 more coming, maybe I should fix it up 2016-10-24T21:25:01 < Rob235> I ripped a motor out trying to take a prop off 2016-10-24T21:27:07 < Steffanx> Yep. Thats also my reason. When you say you have +10 you should have 10+ 2016-10-24T21:27:26 < wanderman> will trump win? 2016-10-24T21:27:55 < Rob235> no 2016-10-24T21:28:03 < wanderman> women can be good managers, but can be good rulers ? 2016-10-24T21:28:09 < Steffanx> Hello wanderman long time no see 2016-10-24T21:28:14 < Rob235> when the alternate is trump? yes 2016-10-24T21:28:24 < wanderman> hello, i'm glad at least one of you guys remember me. :) 2016-10-24T21:28:46 < Rob235> there are too many mans here 2016-10-24T21:29:05 < Steffanx> Men? 2016-10-24T21:29:14 < Rob235> wanderman, englishman, upgrdman 2016-10-24T21:29:17 < Rob235> etc 2016-10-24T21:29:20 < wanderman> lol 2016-10-24T21:29:22 < Steffanx> Men ;) 2016-10-24T21:29:36 < Steffanx> Better /nick robbyman 2016-10-24T21:29:49 -!- Rob235 is now known as robman 2016-10-24T21:29:59 -!- robman is now known as robmanx 2016-10-24T21:30:05 < wanderman> lol 2016-10-24T21:30:16 < robmanx> ;) 2016-10-24T21:30:20 * wanderman robs robmanx 2016-10-24T21:30:28 < robmanx> :( 2016-10-24T21:30:46 < wanderman> :D 2016-10-24T21:30:52 -!- robmanx is now known as Rob235 2016-10-24T21:31:02 < Steffanx> Tell us about your latest stm32 project wander 2016-10-24T21:31:34 < wanderman> i'm waiting untill STM launch mcu with mmu 2016-10-24T21:32:05 < Steffanx> Dont. 2016-10-24T21:32:18 < wanderman> :D 2016-10-24T21:32:26 < wanderman> kidding, i have no any projects now. 2016-10-24T21:32:26 < Steffanx> I think st already has that bte 2016-10-24T21:32:27 < Steffanx> W 2016-10-24T21:32:38 < wanderman> i study web developments. and do mobile app building 2016-10-24T21:32:43 < wanderman> with cordova 2016-10-24T21:33:00 < wanderman> which mcu ? cortex m7 ? 2016-10-24T21:33:36 < wanderman> i wish trump would win, and i do pray god for that. 2016-10-24T21:33:42 < Steffanx> Oh no mcu. Its some media processor 2016-10-24T21:33:53 < wanderman> women are good, but not good enough haddle critical situations. 2016-10-24T21:34:02 < wanderman> USA is critical to Planet earth. 2016-10-24T21:34:17 < Rob235> she is fairly manish 2016-10-24T21:34:41 < wanderman> it is pretending, inside women are so girlish. 2016-10-24T21:34:48 < Rob235> heh 2016-10-24T21:34:52 < wanderman> shallow 2016-10-24T21:34:55 < gxti> LOL 2016-10-24T21:35:05 < Steffanx> I like the way your fingers speak wanderman. 2016-10-24T21:35:09 < Rob235> wow 2016-10-24T21:35:16 < gxti> i bet they're pretty tiny Steffanx 2016-10-24T21:35:19 < gxti> tiny fingers. 2016-10-24T21:35:35 < wanderman> to be honest, i'm 185cm tall man. 2016-10-24T21:35:43 < wanderman> and chubby. 2016-10-24T21:35:53 < Steffanx> Sexy. 2016-10-24T21:35:58 < wanderman> i did ran 2km around 1 hour ago at playground. 2016-10-24T21:36:12 < Ecco> Holyshiycrap 2016-10-24T21:36:16 < wanderman> and did swiming on the way home. 2016-10-24T21:36:21 < Ecco> ohsix_: the GPS is sold out! 2016-10-24T21:36:23 < Ecco> "I'm sorry to bother you. I'm sending this message to inform you that the above item is sold out and have no stock now. Do you mind us to refund you money for this issue? Sorry for any trouble caused to you. Hope to hear from you soon." 2016-10-24T21:36:30 < Steffanx> Yes that. 2016-10-24T21:36:39 < Steffanx> Dont accept as long as you can ;P 2016-10-24T21:36:51 < Rob235> I'm 196cm 2016-10-24T21:37:00 < wanderman> i don't trust :D 2016-10-24T21:37:06 < wanderman> reallly? 2016-10-24T21:37:08 < Rob235> and skinny 2016-10-24T21:37:14 < Rob235> unfortunately 2016-10-24T21:37:18 < Rob235> I'm a bit lanky 2016-10-24T21:37:18 < wanderman> wow so tall. 2016-10-24T21:38:01 < wanderman> u can play basketball 2016-10-24T21:38:06 < Rob235> I get that all the time 2016-10-24T21:38:53 < wanderman> :) 2016-10-24T21:39:31 < Rob235> hmmm what to do.... 2016-10-24T21:40:01 < Steffanx> Do it 2016-10-24T21:40:58 < wanderman> Please help trump. 2016-10-24T21:41:16 < wanderman> i'm no USA. but , we need a man for USA. 2016-10-24T21:41:22 < Rob235> drone software, drone hardware, clean apartment, or.... 2016-10-24T21:41:28 < Rob235> I hope hillary wins 2016-10-24T21:41:35 < Rob235> even if she is a crook 2016-10-24T21:41:41 < wanderman> it is not matter of democritic or republic, it is matter of man vs woman. 2016-10-24T21:41:53 < Rob235> that "man" is a cartoon character 2016-10-24T21:42:02 < kakimir_> :) 2016-10-24T21:42:09 < Rob235> with no morals 2016-10-24T21:42:14 -!- kakimir_ is now known as kakimir 2016-10-24T21:42:29 < wanderman> hm 2016-10-24T21:42:38 < wanderman> i respect to your judgement. 2016-10-24T21:42:48 < wanderman> is it is democracy 2016-10-24T21:43:10 < BrainDamage> turn drone into combat drone and blast the apartment 2016-10-24T21:43:18 < BrainDamage> you solve 2 problems at once 2016-10-24T21:43:27 < Rob235> sounds good 2016-10-24T21:43:41 < Rob235> but where do I sleep afterwards? 2016-10-24T21:43:44 < kakimir> why not have a cartoon character as a president? 2016-10-24T21:43:58 < wanderman> nano robot fly , inject HVI onto enermy . is worse technology manifastation. 2016-10-24T21:44:21 < wanderman> selective biological attack 2016-10-24T21:44:55 < BrainDamage> so you solve 2 problems and create one, still net positive 2016-10-24T21:45:16 < kakimir> airborne HIV 2016-10-24T21:45:35 < wanderman> oh, kakimir is in tune with my frequncy 2016-10-24T21:45:35 < wanderman> lol 2016-10-24T21:46:08 < wanderman> together we moving somewhere, nobody never been 2016-10-24T21:46:13 < Rob235> but I didn't have that problem beforehand, I was -1 problems to start with in that case 2016-10-24T21:46:31 < Rob235> so basically all Ive done is decided to work on the drone 2016-10-24T21:46:40 < Rob235> and get a new apartment 2016-10-24T21:46:43 < Rob235> i guess? 2016-10-24T21:48:21 < wanderman> Rob235, are you in depression ? 2016-10-24T21:48:35 < wanderman> why distructive thoughts wandering in you? 2016-10-24T21:48:36 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Quit: ] 2016-10-24T21:49:01 < Rob235> what destructive thoughts? preferring clinton over trump? 2016-10-24T21:49:17 < wanderman> nope sucidial drone 2016-10-24T21:49:38 < Rob235> I never said I was in the apartment at the time of destruction 2016-10-24T21:50:00 < Rob235> and it wasn't even my idea? 2016-10-24T21:50:13 < wanderman> yeah braindamage told 2016-10-24T21:50:29 < wanderman> stay calm and be high. 2016-10-24T21:50:47 < Rob235> fair enough 2016-10-24T21:51:08 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T21:54:15 < wanderman> WB BD 2016-10-24T21:57:44 < Rob235> maybe I'll just watch a movie instead :) 2016-10-24T21:58:22 < Steffanx> or westworld? 2016-10-24T21:58:52 < Rob235> didn't see last nights yet 2016-10-24T21:59:44 < Steffanx> see 2016-10-24T21:59:58 < Rob235> gotta wait for gf for that though 2016-10-24T22:01:08 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T22:04:48 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.147] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T22:10:15 < Rob235> watching a video on jtag, I've only heard of it in the past because of xbox hacking and here and there in this channel since I started with electronics. its nice when things make a bit of sense 2016-10-24T22:15:57 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T22:18:44 < kakimir> kikecad interactive router is like future stuff 2016-10-24T22:22:35 < wanderman> Protus also have 2016-10-24T22:22:49 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-75-69-135-239.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2016-10-24T22:23:53 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-75-69-135-239.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T22:29:14 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f777bb6.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T22:40:47 < vampi-the-frog> do you guys think I can have a 5MHz interrupt going, for a 72MHz master clock? 2016-10-24T22:41:03 < kakimir> no 2016-10-24T22:41:08 < vampi-the-frog> aww :( 2016-10-24T22:41:17 < kakimir> unless tail chaising 2016-10-24T22:41:22 < vampi-the-frog> what's that 2016-10-24T22:41:23 < kakimir> and no main loop at all 2016-10-24T22:41:39 < LeelooMinai> vampi-the-frog: It takes I think 20 cycles to even service it, so forget it. 2016-10-24T22:41:50 < vampi-the-frog> baww :( 2016-10-24T22:41:53 < Steffanx> What you try to do vampi-the-frog? 2016-10-24T22:41:56 < vampi-the-frog> I have a weird I2S signal 2016-10-24T22:42:00 < vampi-the-frog> let me show you 2016-10-24T22:42:28 < vampi-the-frog> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/converting-an-old-roland-gr-1-to-usb/msg1054205/#msg1054205 2016-10-24T22:42:33 < vampi-the-frog> can you see the pic? 2016-10-24T22:42:42 < LeelooMinai> I looked it up: 12 cycles on M4 + 17 possible if FPU 2016-10-24T22:42:47 < kakimir> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ddi0337e/Babjagdg.html 2016-10-24T22:42:53 < kakimir> tail chaining 2016-10-24T22:43:02 < kakimir> even it propably wont help you to get it done 2016-10-24T22:43:37 < vampi-the-frog> I can replace the chip with one that has I2S 2016-10-24T22:43:41 < LeelooMinai> vampi-the-frog: Little FPGA then? :) 2016-10-24T22:43:54 < vampi-the-frog> so STM32F103RBT6 -> STM32F103RCT6 2016-10-24T22:44:07 < vampi-the-frog> but the signal is strange for I2S 2016-10-24T22:44:12 < vampi-the-frog> so I don't get it 2016-10-24T22:44:40 < vampi-the-frog> the clock comes in bursts 2016-10-24T22:44:52 < vampi-the-frog> maybe I can view it as proper I2S if I ignore the space between the bursts 2016-10-24T22:45:26 < vampi-the-frog> but there are a bunch of extra clocks 2016-10-24T22:45:35 < LeelooMinai> "If there's something strange in your circuir dude, what you gonna use? FPGA!" 2016-10-24T22:46:03 < vampi-the-frog> can you see the scope screenshot? 2016-10-24T22:46:57 < vampi-the-frog> what about if I use some sort of I2S to SPI converter somehow 2016-10-24T22:46:57 < LeelooMinai> I don't know anything about I2S. What is LRCK? 2016-10-24T22:47:08 < vampi-the-frog> left right clock 2016-10-24T22:47:10 < vampi-the-frog> it's stereo audio 2016-10-24T22:47:13 < vampi-the-frog> 16 bits in this case 2016-10-24T22:47:50 < vampi-the-frog> when lrck goes down, one channel sample begins, then it goes up and the other channel begins 2016-10-24T22:47:52 < LeelooMinai> A, ok, so it's just a flag for what channel the current data is. 2016-10-24T22:47:53 < vampi-the-frog> uhh 2016-10-24T22:47:56 < vampi-the-frog> yeah 2016-10-24T22:47:58 < vampi-the-frog> but it's also the trigger 2016-10-24T22:48:02 < vampi-the-frog> for where the data starts 2016-10-24T22:48:10 < vampi-the-frog> lrck in this case is 64khz 2016-10-24T22:48:21 < vampi-the-frog> it's basically the audio sample rate 2016-10-24T22:48:36 < LeelooMinai> But it doesn't go down at the start there. 2016-10-24T22:48:40 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-24T22:48:43 < vampi-the-frog> yes exactly 2016-10-24T22:48:50 < vampi-the-frog> that's why I'd need something custom to count the cycles 2016-10-24T22:48:57 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T22:49:03 < vampi-the-frog> I don't wanna get into FPGA just for that 2016-10-24T22:49:12 < vampi-the-frog> though I am curious about FPGA coding 2016-10-24T22:49:27 < vampi-the-frog> but I spent 2 months just getting the device to act like an audio interface 2016-10-24T22:49:30 < LeelooMinai> No, I was kind of teasing - it's a huge learning curve. 2016-10-24T22:49:49 < vampi-the-frog> I was thinking reading the I2S signal would be the easier part 2016-10-24T22:49:54 < LeelooMinai> Hardware part is nice, but forget it - the tools will drain life from you. 2016-10-24T22:50:33 < LeelooMinai> Maybe there are some variants of I2S? 2016-10-24T22:50:35 < vampi-the-frog> it's not much different with STM32, luckily I found libopencm3 and gcc 2016-10-24T22:50:55 < vampi-the-frog> yes there are 3 variants of I2S supported by STM32 2016-10-24T22:50:58 < vampi-the-frog> it's in the reference manual 2016-10-24T22:51:04 < vampi-the-frog> but none of them look like what I have 2016-10-24T22:51:17 < vampi-the-frog> because of that LRCK inversion 2016-10-24T22:51:20 < vampi-the-frog> I'll check again though 2016-10-24T22:51:23 < vampi-the-frog> maybe I'll get lucky 2016-10-24T22:51:53 < wanderman> http://www.mikroe.com/timer-calculator/ 2016-10-24T22:51:56 < wanderman> vampi-the-frog, 2016-10-24T22:52:31 < LeelooMinai> wanderman: lol, what is that... 2016-10-24T22:52:32 < vampi-the-frog> what's that for, wanderman ? 2016-10-24T22:52:50 < wanderman> :) 2016-10-24T22:52:58 < wanderman> timer interupt, 2016-10-24T22:53:15 < vampi-the-frog> the signal I'm reading has its own clock 2016-10-24T22:53:17 < wanderman> u can cal if u can get 5mhz on 72mhz 2016-10-24T22:54:12 < LeelooMinai> Right, I would not use it - the only sure way imo is to test it and look at timing with LA or scope. 2016-10-24T22:54:35 < LeelooMinai> There's too many variables that need to be taken into account. 2016-10-24T22:54:38 < vampi-the-frog> ok so the reference manual RM0008 says 4 I2S standards are supported 2016-10-24T22:54:52 < vampi-the-frog> Philips, MSB-justified, LSB-justified and PCM standard 2016-10-24T22:54:57 < vampi-the-frog> it has diagrams too 2016-10-24T22:54:58 * vampi-the-frog checks 2016-10-24T22:55:14 < LeelooMinai> vampi-the-frog: You should start from this step long time ago imo:) 2016-10-24T22:56:34 < vampi-the-frog> maybe I can also use SPI to somehow fake it 2016-10-24T22:57:45 < LeelooMinai> Maybe backtrack a bit first. What is the signal coming from? 2016-10-24T22:58:00 < vampi-the-frog> so this is a Roland sound synth 2016-10-24T22:58:07 < vampi-the-frog> the signal is coming from an ASIC synth chip 2016-10-24T22:58:13 < vampi-the-frog> into a pretty simple DAC 2016-10-24T22:58:21 < wanderman> /Timer2 Prescaler :0; Preload = 13; Actual Interrupt Time = 194.444444444 ns 2016-10-24T22:58:26 < vampi-the-frog> uPD6376GS 2016-10-24T22:58:58 < vampi-the-frog> http://pdf.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheet/nec/UPD6376GS.pdf 2016-10-24T22:59:21 < LeelooMinai> wanderman: Without processing, so fail. 2016-10-24T22:59:40 < wanderman> got it :) 2016-10-24T23:00:48 < vampi-the-frog> ah, my guess is there's a shift register and it only stores the *last* 16 bits 2016-10-24T23:01:02 < vampi-the-frog> so it doesn't matter what you send it before the last 16 bits before changing LRCK 2016-10-24T23:01:47 < vampi-the-frog> ok so 2016-10-24T23:01:57 < vampi-the-frog> again, it looks like deep diving into datasheets and whatnot 2016-10-24T23:02:09 < vampi-the-frog> this is like the Nth document I have to read now :P 2016-10-24T23:02:23 < vampi-the-frog> maybe I can list them all when I finish the project 2016-10-24T23:05:38 < vampi-the-frog> anyway, now I have to get back to debugging a hard fault in the USB code 2016-10-24T23:05:45 < vampi-the-frog> I'll leave you gentlemen with a synthy song 2016-10-24T23:06:11 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-24T23:06:28 < vampi-the-frog> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Lb3MTlIrC4 2016-10-24T23:09:02 < gxti> only the philips i2s standard is actually i2s, the rest are just other protocols that the stm32 i2s peripheral happens to implement, and some adc/dac may also. semantics maybe, but just fyi 2016-10-24T23:09:52 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ddwtogjkbxallriu] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T23:10:08 < vampi-the-frog> gxti, the question is will it ignore extra bits before the last 16 bits before LRCK changes? 2016-10-24T23:11:37 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-24T23:11:42 < gxti> philips i2s is left justified so it's the other way around - bits after the N the receiver cares about are discarded 2016-10-24T23:11:51 < gxti> right justified works the way you describe, i guess 2016-10-24T23:14:00 < vampi-the-frog> ah ok 2016-10-24T23:14:07 < vampi-the-frog> perhaps that's what I'll end up using ^^ 2016-10-24T23:14:24 < vampi-the-frog> I'll have to replace the STM32F103RBT6 with a RCT6 2016-10-24T23:14:31 < vampi-the-frog> once I receive the hot air station :D 2016-10-24T23:15:24 < vampi-the-frog> well that gave me a bit of hope thanks ^^ 2016-10-24T23:16:38 < PaulFertser> vampi-the-frog: you can carefully cut all the pins and the desolder them one-by-one. 2016-10-24T23:16:41 -!- wanderman [~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-24T23:17:17 < vampi-the-frog> indeed 2016-10-24T23:17:21 < vampi-the-frog> once my pin cutter arrives 2016-10-24T23:17:42 < vampi-the-frog> and my one-by-one pin desoldering tool I've ordered 2016-10-24T23:17:48 < vampi-the-frog> nah I'm kidding 2016-10-24T23:38:17 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-24T23:41:47 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-24T23:47:09 < qyx> wat 2016-10-24T23:47:18 < qyx> fairchild was acquired by onsemi? 2016-10-24T23:47:39 < Steffanx> Wasnt that a long time ago? 2016-10-24T23:47:57 < qyx> maybe 2016-10-24T23:48:34 < vampi-the-frog> onsemi sounds like an erection pill that gives you the chubbs 2016-10-24T23:48:55 < vampi-the-frog> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZBtdvzDns0 2016-10-24T23:48:58 < vampi-the-frog> I got chubs for you 2016-10-24T23:49:01 < vampi-the-frog> Big fat chubs for you 2016-10-24T23:49:54 < vampi-the-frog> Got a firm but soft for you 2016-10-24T23:49:59 < vampi-the-frog> Gonna go half way for you 2016-10-24T23:51:21 < LeelooMinai> vampi-the-frog: So.... when is your next doctor appointment?... 2016-10-24T23:51:54 < vampi-the-frog> as soon as this OnSemi wears off --- Day changed Tue Oct 25 2016 2016-10-25T00:05:40 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2016-10-25T00:05:46 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T00:11:06 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.60.237] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-25T00:22:12 < ohsix_> Ecco: yea i got those messages too, huhu 2016-10-25T00:22:27 < ohsix_> Ecco: they want you to accept a refund for a fuckup, it was 'in stock' when they 'sold' 'it' 2016-10-25T00:22:32 -!- ohsix_ [ohsix@72.35.133.5] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 2016-10-25T00:30:50 -!- wanderman [~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T00:47:42 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T00:47:47 < LeelooMinai> I got this message too - bugger them, not wasting my time on responding:) 2016-10-25T00:50:40 < wanderman> i watched a video on processor evolution. it shows how the term " bug" came to exist in computer. 2016-10-25T00:51:30 < LeelooMinai> From old computers where there bugs and mice actually caused mechanical parts, like relays, etc. to malfunction:) 2016-10-25T00:52:03 < LeelooMinai> I remember they had problems with mice or rats eating cables, etc. 2016-10-25T00:52:17 < wanderman> wel, it is not how term came. :D 2016-10-25T00:52:36 < LeelooMinai> No? What did the video say? 2016-10-25T00:52:56 < wanderman> one day , a lady scientist had to explain faliure of a relay calculator at meeting. 2016-10-25T00:53:03 < wanderman> she said " we got a bug on our system" 2016-10-25T00:53:14 < wanderman> because, a bug stuck in relay contacts 2016-10-25T00:53:32 < wanderman> since then, system error called " system bugs" 2016-10-25T00:53:35 < LeelooMinai> Well, that's what I said - I think it was a moth. 2016-10-25T00:53:52 < wanderman> yes, i tryed recall it, name moth 2016-10-25T00:54:24 < wanderman> you are so smart than, me :D 2016-10-25T00:55:09 < LeelooMinai> Everytone can be smart nowadays - all you need is google:) 2016-10-25T00:55:14 < LeelooMinai> everyone* 2016-10-25T00:56:47 < wanderman> i like everytone 2016-10-25T00:56:52 < wanderman> please keep as it is 2016-10-25T00:56:56 < wanderman> we are differnt tones 2016-10-25T00:57:23 < LeelooMinai> Ok, now you departed into some lala-land... 2016-10-25T00:57:38 < wanderman> it is normal 2016-10-25T00:57:42 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T00:58:03 * wanderman remember i had seen a nick called Laurenceb 2016-10-25T00:58:31 < LeelooMinai> He talks in this channel sometimes, yes. 2016-10-25T00:58:57 < wanderman> LeelooMinai, i'm so silly man. if i'm disrubing you press ignore. 2016-10-25T00:59:13 < wanderman> got it 2016-10-25T01:03:17 < Laurenceb_> hello 2016-10-25T01:03:42 < vampi-the-frog> haha you're cool wanderman 2016-10-25T01:06:41 < wanderman> i'm depressed man since childhood. 2016-10-25T01:07:05 < wanderman> single age 32. 2016-10-25T01:07:14 < vampi-the-frog> wanderman, it's ok, just make friends 2016-10-25T01:07:21 < wanderman> 3 commit sucide attemps 2016-10-25T01:09:18 < wanderman> i used to like electronis since childhood. 2016-10-25T01:09:42 < wanderman> it is not what made me depressed. but i did get depressed when circuits didn't work. 2016-10-25T01:10:02 < vampi-the-frog> when circuits don't work it just makes me spend more time to debug them 2016-10-25T01:10:05 < vampi-the-frog> then they work 2016-10-25T01:10:23 < wanderman> yeah, when i was kid, i don't know how to debug. 2016-10-25T01:10:28 < wanderman> it is upto luck. 2016-10-25T01:10:36 < vampi-the-frog> it's ok, now you know 2016-10-25T01:11:07 < wanderman> at age 12, i made light dimmers, nightrider like 7 LED dispay with 4017 2016-10-25T01:11:16 < vampi-the-frog> nice 2016-10-25T01:11:37 < vampi-the-frog> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbfVmzF7N4g 2016-10-25T01:11:40 < wanderman> BT138 track 2016-10-25T01:11:52 < wanderman> my AM radio didn't work, using zn414 2016-10-25T01:11:59 < wanderman> depressed 2016-10-25T01:12:24 < vampi-the-frog> you care a lot about it 2016-10-25T01:12:44 < wanderman> yeah, but i got at least white noise 2016-10-25T01:12:45 < wanderman> :D 2016-10-25T01:14:08 < wanderman> MIKE I WANT YOU! 2016-10-25T01:14:17 < wanderman> is it what he tell ? 2016-10-25T01:14:28 < wanderman> kit 2016-10-25T01:14:28 < wanderman> ? 2016-10-25T01:15:14 < vampi-the-frog> ah I forget 2016-10-25T01:15:17 < vampi-the-frog> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQwlrEdka6Q 2016-10-25T01:15:21 < vampi-the-frog> I like that trailer though 2016-10-25T01:16:43 < wanderman> cool 2016-10-25T01:16:58 < wanderman> yes, 2016-10-25T01:18:39 < jadew> on the subject of computer bugs, I had hamsters once and one got away 2016-10-25T01:18:52 < jadew> the bastard ate my IDE cables 2016-10-25T01:19:24 < wanderman> eww, 2016-10-25T01:19:31 < wanderman> hamsters are so cute. 2016-10-25T01:19:44 < wanderman> and innocent, i haven't seen it in real. 2016-10-25T01:20:06 < jadew> yeah, but like all the pets I had, they eat eachother when they starve 2016-10-25T01:20:14 < wanderman> lol 2016-10-25T01:20:27 < wanderman> hunger make anger 2016-10-25T01:21:38 < jadew> not to mention that I ended up with mostly males and their balls got bigger than the grapes they loved so much 2016-10-25T01:21:52 < jadew> I think that made them more aggressive too 2016-10-25T01:22:15 < wanderman> haha 2016-10-25T01:23:16 < wanderman> yeah, balls make you roll so much 2016-10-25T01:24:52 < jadew> pets suck 2016-10-25T01:25:17 < jadew> if they're not cool, they're a burden and if they are, you get attached to them and then they die 2016-10-25T01:25:31 < jadew> it's a no-win situation 2016-10-25T01:25:39 < wanderman> i see. 2016-10-25T01:25:55 < wanderman> it seems you have had a lot of expeince with pets. 2016-10-25T01:25:57 < wanderman> intereseting. 2016-10-25T01:26:06 < jadew> I did really 2016-10-25T01:26:17 < wanderman> that is cool. 2016-10-25T01:27:05 < wanderman> i don't like keep animals in cages. 2016-10-25T01:27:26 < jadew> me neither 2016-10-25T01:27:52 < wanderman> so your pets are freerange in your home ? 2016-10-25T01:28:07 < jadew> except for the hamsters, they all were 2016-10-25T01:28:23 < jadew> and the fish... 2016-10-25T01:28:34 < wanderman> i see ok. 2016-10-25T01:28:42 < wanderman> i'm glad you have mercy on animals. 2016-10-25T01:28:48 < jadew> I even had a chiken 2016-10-25T01:29:07 < wanderman> cool 2016-10-25T01:29:10 < jadew> (in an appartment building) 2016-10-25T01:29:20 < wanderman> haha, 2016-10-25T01:29:23 < wanderman> you married ? 2016-10-25T01:29:26 < wanderman> how old you now ? 2016-10-25T01:29:34 < jadew> I am, but that happened when I was a kid 2016-10-25T01:29:52 < wanderman> i see. 2016-10-25T01:30:06 < jadew> came home from school one day and we had chicken soup 2016-10-25T01:30:17 < wanderman> oh lol 2016-10-25T01:30:24 < wanderman> who has done it ? 2016-10-25T01:30:30 < jadew> my grandparents 2016-10-25T01:30:34 < wanderman> lol 2016-10-25T01:30:49 < jadew> that was awful... I started eating and I asked "where's Piu?" 2016-10-25T01:30:53 < wanderman> poor jadew , lost his chicken 2016-10-25T01:31:00 < wanderman> :( 2016-10-25T01:31:01 < ds2> free range hamsters and cats in the same house.... 2016-10-25T01:31:02 < jadew> and they were holding their lough in "shut up and eat" 2016-10-25T01:31:14 < wanderman> :( 2016-10-25T01:31:17 < jadew> *laugh 2016-10-25T01:31:33 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Nice grandparents you had... 2016-10-25T01:31:51 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, I don't know how they could do that 2016-10-25T01:32:07 < wanderman> it is touching, 2016-10-25T01:32:47 < wanderman> sad story, even we can make a chicken-run3 on this story 2016-10-25T01:33:26 < wanderman> jadew, what happened, next ? 2016-10-25T01:33:37 < wanderman> you were having soup. and u asked hwere piu. 2016-10-25T01:33:39 < jadew> I cried and felt terrible 2016-10-25T01:33:43 < LeelooMinai> He coocked his grandpa and fet to grandma. 2016-10-25T01:33:52 < LeelooMinai> fed* 2016-10-25T01:34:05 < wanderman> lol 2016-10-25T01:34:27 < wanderman> LeelooMinai, please dont be mean 2016-10-25T01:34:48 < wanderman> jadew, then ? 2016-10-25T01:34:51 < LeelooMinai> I am not mean:) 2016-10-25T01:35:16 < jadew> I don't really remember much after that, I just remember what I felt when I realized what happened 2016-10-25T01:35:25 < wanderman> :( 2016-10-25T01:35:26 < jadew> I couldn't believe it at first 2016-10-25T01:35:31 < wanderman> sad sad 2016-10-25T01:35:47 < LeelooMinai> Grandparenting fail:) 2016-10-25T01:35:56 < wanderman> yeah, 2016-10-25T01:36:07 < wanderman> they were meaner than ma baker 2016-10-25T01:36:19 < wanderman> sorry to say 2016-10-25T01:37:07 < jadew> now that I think back, all my experiences with pets were bad 2016-10-25T01:37:17 < jadew> mainly because my parents were idiots 2016-10-25T01:37:54 < wanderman> i see, sad story, but thanks for sharing. 2016-10-25T01:37:57 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Read that chcken can leave even more than 15 years. 2016-10-25T01:38:03 < LeelooMinai> live* 2016-10-25T01:38:10 < jadew> LeelooMinai, no way... 2016-10-25T01:38:19 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-25T01:38:20 < jadew> I had it for about 1.5 years 2016-10-25T01:38:25 < LeelooMinai> 8-12 normally, bit some 15 to 20 2016-10-25T01:38:37 < wanderman> no no, 2016-10-25T01:38:39 < LeelooMinai> So, well, eaten prematurely:) 2016-10-25T01:39:14 < jadew> yeah... oh well, I got over it 2016-10-25T01:39:35 < jadew> then my parents got a cat and a couple of years later decided they don't want it anymore 2016-10-25T01:39:51 < jadew> tried to get rid of it, it was coming back home (even after we moved) 2016-10-25T01:40:02 < jadew> that sucked too 2016-10-25T01:40:22 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-25T01:40:32 < wanderman> another sad story. 2016-10-25T01:40:49 < jadew> then when I was living with my dad (I was in my teens already) he decided he wanted a dog, I said no (knowing I'll end up taking care of it), he got one anyway 2016-10-25T01:41:19 < jadew> I tried to keep my distance, got attached, 2 years later he gave it to my grandfather, 600 km away 2016-10-25T01:41:28 < jadew> he decided we can't take care of a dog 2016-10-25T01:41:44 < wanderman> what happened to your mother ? 2016-10-25T01:41:53 < jadew> they broke up 2016-10-25T01:42:03 < wanderman> i'm sorry. 2016-10-25T01:42:49 < wanderman> sad storys, 2016-10-25T01:42:56 < wanderman> but thanks for sharing. 2016-10-25T01:42:58 < jadew> thanks, but it's not that big of an issue 2016-10-25T01:43:03 < jadew> heh 2016-10-25T01:43:19 < wanderman> :) 2016-10-25T01:43:30 < wanderman> gtg all, byebye 2016-10-25T01:43:34 -!- wanderman [~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-25T01:51:31 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-25T01:56:41 < kakimir> where is pumps? 2016-10-25T02:02:00 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f777bb6.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2016-10-25T02:02:50 < kakimir> innovation? 2016-10-25T02:09:15 < kakimir> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/1-4-inch-amoled-round-oled_60403660470.html is this innovation real dongs ? 2016-10-25T02:09:30 < kakimir> so good 2016-10-25T02:09:48 < kakimir> I needed round one so I looked for square one 2016-10-25T02:11:50 < kakimir> it hase lot of pixels 2016-10-25T02:12:05 < kakimir> it's oled and so good for gauge use 2016-10-25T02:12:55 < kakimir> 400x400 2016-10-25T02:16:17 < kakimir> https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1mtQnHXXXXXczaXXXq6xXFXXX3/200309926/HTB1mtQnHXXXXXczaXXXq6xXFXXX3.jpg sweet 2016-10-25T02:17:18 < aandrew> kakimir: tht's pretty cool 2016-10-25T02:22:27 < kakimir> I wonder if basic cortex mcu has the muscle to run such graphics like 25fps 2016-10-25T02:23:48 < kakimir> if I want a gauge display with no noticeable lag 2016-10-25T02:23:57 < kakimir> because lag is fail 2016-10-25T02:27:28 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-25T02:33:05 < kakimir> I wonder if I pay HBO nordic to see Westworld 2016-10-25T02:35:28 -!- damme_ [~damme@h-203-16.a216.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-25T02:37:03 < kakimir> no 2016-10-25T02:39:13 < kakimir> that round oled display is slightly too small 2016-10-25T02:39:18 < Laurenceb_> http://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/another-broom-snapped-in-half-in-derbyshire-village-1-8197044 2016-10-25T02:39:34 < kakimir> I wonder if with some lense system I could make it to appear 2" 2016-10-25T02:41:40 < kakimir> 3 and half centimeters 2016-10-25T02:41:54 < kakimir> can not make too good gauge out of it 2016-10-25T02:42:29 < kakimir> I need to get a cathode tube 2016-10-25T02:42:39 < kakimir> cathode ray tube* 2016-10-25T02:43:38 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: forrestv, oz4ga, bobryan, varesa, KreAture_, zyp, Cyric_ 2016-10-25T02:44:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: varesa, forrestv, bobryan, Cyric_, zyp, KreAture_, oz4ga 2016-10-25T02:50:23 < aandrew> it's just a standard SPI display, no? 2016-10-25T02:50:34 -!- fenugrec_ [~Q@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T02:50:50 < aandrew> STM32 can push 50MHz on SPI master, need to back-calculate standard update commands to see what you'd get 2016-10-25T02:58:49 < kakimir> does those "graphics processors" in cortex mcus support anything but simple memmory operations to place "sprites" on graphics memmoory area? 2016-10-25T02:59:06 < kakimir> I need rotation operations 2016-10-25T03:00:52 < upgrdman> just port opengl to stm32 /s 2016-10-25T03:00:59 < upgrdman> glTranslatef() ftw 2016-10-25T03:01:05 < upgrdman> err glRotatef() 2016-10-25T03:01:46 < kakimir> yes 2016-10-25T03:02:14 < kakimir> can't you rotate shit with rotation matrix? 2016-10-25T03:02:29 < kakimir> just by some multiply operations 2016-10-25T03:04:06 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T03:04:57 < kakimir> http://andybrown.me.uk/2014/06/01/ase/ throw some FPGA there 2016-10-25T03:05:07 < kakimir> should do it 2016-10-25T03:15:34 -!- fenugrec_ [~Q@108.161.164.103] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 2016-10-25T03:16:57 -!- fenugrec_ [~Q@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T03:29:43 < Laurenceb_> rotation is slow even on my laptop 2016-10-25T03:29:50 < Laurenceb_> in gimp anyway lol 2016-10-25T03:33:22 -!- fenugrec_ [~Q@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-25T03:33:36 -!- sferrini [uid115350@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ddwtogjkbxallriu] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2016-10-25T03:35:01 < kakimir> https://www.siggraph.org/education/materials/HyperGraph/modeling/mod_tran/2drota.htm 2016-10-25T03:35:12 < kakimir> it's not at all slow with gpu 2016-10-25T03:35:21 < kakimir> propably like a million rotations per frame 2016-10-25T03:35:50 < kakimir> but you only calculate those cos sin and stuff once per rotation per frame 2016-10-25T03:36:01 < kakimir> then just multiply points 2016-10-25T03:37:51 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-25T03:37:52 < kakimir> also possible to add transformations and scaling to that matrix and then multiply them points and have all manipulations to them all at once 2016-10-25T03:42:00 < dongs> i like jlink box. when I open it there's a booklet with "It simply works!" on the front page 2016-10-25T03:43:11 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-19-73-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-25T03:44:01 < LeelooMinai> (it better works for close to $1k...) 2016-10-25T03:45:11 < kakimir> dongs: pics 2016-10-25T03:45:20 < kakimir> you bought real one+ 2016-10-25T03:51:44 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-25T03:51:53 < dongs> i've had real one. just upgraded. 2016-10-25T03:58:04 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T04:03:50 < upgrdman> looks safe http://i.imgur.com/DzJUGHu.jpg 2016-10-25T04:06:52 < dongs> zyp, i talked to some jap who has a mitsubishi miev minivan and he says it only costs him 200yen/night to charge 2016-10-25T04:06:57 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T04:07:33 < dongs> asked if there was some bullshit subsidy or something and he didnt seem to be aware of any. he's got a 200V line charger. 2016-10-25T04:07:42 < dongs> but my own 200V/200V 3phase pricing disagrees 2016-10-25T04:08:12 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/MnLKL8e.jpg 2016-10-25T04:08:37 < upgrdman> dongs, so $2 per night? 2016-10-25T04:08:40 < dongs> yeah... 2016-10-25T04:08:54 < dongs> its a 16kWh battery tho and like 100km range on the thing 2016-10-25T04:09:04 < dongs> but the pricing doesnt add up 2016-10-25T04:09:29 < dongs> also just looked at the list of all EV shit thats sold and tesla is like the only fucking thing wiht battery > 20kWh 2016-10-25T04:09:35 < upgrdman> at my place elec is $0.15 - $0.30 per kWh, so 8 hours of 2kW would be like $3.60ish 2016-10-25T04:09:52 < upgrdman> depends on how much power he needs each night... is he do 100km/day? 2016-10-25T04:09:59 < dongs> no, not at all 2016-10-25T04:10:12 < dongs> hes just driving aound the neighborhood fixing TVs and shit. 2016-10-25T04:10:24 < upgrdman> so i can see $2 per day then 2016-10-25T04:10:26 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-25T04:10:29 < upgrdman> or less 2016-10-25T04:10:40 < upgrdman> or is elec $$$ in japland 2016-10-25T04:11:31 < upgrdman> nice quadcopter http://i.imgur.com/FEaxczg.gifv 2016-10-25T04:11:41 < upgrdman> think i just spotted rob ^ 2016-10-25T04:12:25 < dongs> rob's gonna rob you 2016-10-25T04:17:00 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T04:26:21 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-25T04:33:08 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-25T04:33:31 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T04:36:20 < upgrdman> for those times when you want to hurt your neck AND use your pc at the same time http://imgur.com/GFnwrr3 2016-10-25T04:40:43 < dongs> emeb: AKM is $1, old datecode. CS is $1.6, 2016 datecode. 2016-10-25T04:42:41 < dongs> lmao, just got a phone call with an EXCLUSIVE ANNOUNCEMENT from Marriott hotels 2016-10-25T04:44:08 < emeb> dongs: so which will you use? 2016-10-25T04:45:25 < dongs> i donno! 2016-10-25T04:45:35 < dongs> probly akm cuz cheap + smaller 2016-10-25T04:45:40 < dongs> and it does what i need 2016-10-25T04:45:44 < dongs> without stuff I wont need 2016-10-25T04:45:51 < dongs> what do you think? 2016-10-25T04:46:01 < emeb> agree 2016-10-25T04:46:12 < emeb> akm is prolly better 2016-10-25T04:46:15 < emeb> bbiab 2016-10-25T04:46:18 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-25T04:46:18 < dongs> ^_^ 2016-10-25T04:46:50 < upgrdman> orly 2016-10-25T04:46:52 < upgrdman> hmm 2016-10-25T04:47:49 < dongs> yeah the fuck is up with that 2016-10-25T04:48:03 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T04:51:18 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-25T05:07:44 < dongs> emeb_mac: whats i2s fullduplex, is that in and out at same time? 2016-10-25T05:08:00 < emeb_mac> ya 2016-10-25T05:08:07 < dongs> should I use that or SAI in stead? 2016-10-25T05:08:30 < emeb_mac> you only need input from ADC, right? 2016-10-25T05:08:35 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-25T05:08:47 < emeb_mac> you can use either 2016-10-25T05:08:57 < emeb_mac> I2S/SPI port is a bit easier to set up 2016-10-25T05:09:07 < emeb_mac> but SAI is more flexible 2016-10-25T05:09:33 < emeb_mac> I prefer SAI when it's available 2016-10-25T05:13:47 < dongs> hmmm 2016-10-25T05:13:53 < dongs> I2S master clock output is what I need right? 2016-10-25T05:13:59 < dongs> but fuck, it conflicts wiht other shit on the board 2016-10-25T05:14:15 < dongs> SAI works.. 2016-10-25T05:14:24 < dongs> i guess i have no choice there haha. 2016-10-25T05:15:14 < emeb_mac> yeah - MCLK outputs from the SPI/I2S ports aren't very flexible pin-wise 2016-10-25T05:16:01 < dongs> how does SAI shit translate to like LRCK and stuff in I2S 2016-10-25T05:16:14 < dongs> i see FS/SCK/SD/MCLK 2016-10-25T05:16:27 < dongs> SD = data, SCK = is that lrck? and wha'ts FS 2016-10-25T05:16:40 < emeb_mac> FS - frame sync 2016-10-25T05:16:42 < dongs> hm frame sync 2016-10-25T05:16:43 < emeb_mac> same as LRCK 2016-10-25T05:16:45 < dongs> oh 2016-10-25T05:16:56 < emeb_mac> SCK - serial clock / bit clock 2016-10-25T05:17:05 < emeb_mac> same rate as data 2016-10-25T05:17:22 < emeb_mac> and MCLK is SCLK multiplied 2016-10-25T05:17:27 < dongs> right 2016-10-25T05:17:49 < dongs> ok so looks like SAI it is, i cant output mclk with all the other pins used 2016-10-25T05:17:56 < dongs> with either i2s 2016-10-25T05:18:10 < dongs> and wow, that peripheral is not mapped all over the fucking chip 2016-10-25T05:18:15 < dongs> its all in a corner 2016-10-25T05:19:06 < emeb_mac> yeah - that's nice 2016-10-25T05:19:11 < emeb_mac> makes it easy to hook up 2016-10-25T05:19:20 < emeb_mac> you can tell they added it later 2016-10-25T05:20:15 < dongs> cuz its not a clusterfuck of pin arrangement? 2016-10-25T05:20:26 < emeb_mac> yep 2016-10-25T05:20:40 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/QYFDqPW.png like this garbage, ugh 2016-10-25T05:22:01 < emeb_mac> heh 2016-10-25T05:22:22 < emeb_mac> FMC SDRAM hookup is not awful but it's not great either 2016-10-25T05:22:41 < emeb_mac> works out reasonably well for layout 2016-10-25T05:24:44 < aandrew> that's a lot of pins you're not using 2016-10-25T05:24:59 < dongs> no that was from 20 hours ago 2016-10-25T05:25:02 < dongs> they're mostly all used now 2016-10-25T05:25:13 < aandrew> dongs: is this that swiss super fancy USB audio thing from freelancer? 2016-10-25T05:25:19 < dongs> lmao no 2016-10-25T05:25:26 < dongs> i'm assburgering a completely useless device 2016-10-25T05:25:30 < dongs> for my own use 2016-10-25T05:26:05 < dongs> hwoever i just realized i was making this map with 439 but the chip im gonna use is 429 2016-10-25T05:26:07 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.58.202] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T05:26:08 < dongs> fuck 2016-10-25T05:26:12 < aandrew> lol 2016-10-25T05:28:15 < emeb_mac> probably not that much difference 2016-10-25T05:28:21 < dongs> yeah im remapping it now 2016-10-25T05:28:23 < emeb_mac> pinouts are pretty similar 2016-10-25T05:28:26 < dongs> and comparing with schematic 2016-10-25T05:34:47 < dongs> heh you go - http://i.imgur.com/HQqtrLL.png 2016-10-25T05:41:56 < dongs> o nce, obdtroll is here 2016-10-25T05:42:28 < aandrew> ballsacks 2016-10-25T05:42:44 < aandrew> I need to hire some pizza faced 13 year old to do my 3D modelling 2016-10-25T05:43:06 < aandrew> that's actually not a bad idea 2016-10-25T05:43:21 < dongs> why not go straight to the source @ freelancer 2016-10-25T05:43:27 < dongs> you know the fiverr guy just gonna repost your shit there 2016-10-25T05:43:28 < aandrew> I was just thinking that 2016-10-25T05:43:33 < aandrew> "hey I could use freelancer" 2016-10-25T05:43:50 < dongs> i used freecancer to hire some paki to write me some csv parsing shit 2016-10-25T05:43:54 < dongs> that I cba'd to do myself 2016-10-25T05:43:55 < dongs> worked well 2016-10-25T05:44:27 < dongs> ok guys bets that inside this autism CAN scanner is STM32 2016-10-25T05:44:33 < dongs> about to pop the case open 2016-10-25T05:44:52 < dongs> bwahaha fuckingwin 2016-10-25T05:44:57 < dongs> F103VET6 2016-10-25T05:45:20 < aandrew> ELM32 2016-10-25T05:47:02 < dongs> even has pads for RTC xtal 2016-10-25T05:47:11 < dongs> not sure whyt cuz no batt 2016-10-25T05:47:55 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/pqaMsSD.jpg 2016-10-25T05:49:09 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.58.202] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-25T05:57:44 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-25T06:04:22 < dongs> i saw those in Analog footprints 2016-10-25T06:04:26 < dongs> that use that ULTRA LIBRARIAN shit 2016-10-25T06:19:32 < aandrew> huh, it was stm32 2016-10-25T06:19:56 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.63.64] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T06:21:06 < dongs> what is? 2016-10-25T06:21:28 < dongs> autism319? 2016-10-25T06:25:21 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T06:35:18 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-25T06:42:23 < dongs> probemaster shit arrived 2016-10-25T06:42:54 < dongs> their president name is DICK PRESS 2016-10-25T06:49:09 < LeelooMinai> Hmm 2016-10-25T06:55:01 < LeelooMinai> Found another nice tool from Segger. 2016-10-25T06:56:19 < LeelooMinai> I think I saw somthing similar from ST, but this seems to be more polished. You can load an .elf file, select some symbols from it to watch, and it graphs them in time. 2016-10-25T06:56:25 < LeelooMinai> Pretty neat: http://i.imgur.com/2buWLgR.png 2016-10-25T06:57:09 < LeelooMinai> Seems to have some trigger options too - seems useful. 2016-10-25T06:59:09 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T07:00:42 < LeelooMinai> Could be even cooler if they allowed using it on any variable. Say if their Ozone debugger could talk to it and tell which variable to graph during a debugging session. 2016-10-25T07:18:06 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T07:18:37 < stvn> WE GOT DODGSON HERE 2016-10-25T07:22:12 < dongs> https://media.blackhat.com/bh-us-11/Dinaburg/BH_US_11_Dinaburg_Bitsquatting_WP.pdf heh wat 2016-10-25T07:22:45 < stvn> the internet of wam 2016-10-25T07:23:21 < stvn> cosmic rays and shit 2016-10-25T07:28:13 < Thorn> https://gist.github.com/endolith/378870 2016-10-25T07:28:48 < stvn> discretes? 2016-10-25T07:30:52 < stvn> also what the fuck is sunken? 2016-10-25T07:31:04 < stvn> sanken/allegro mayb 2016-10-25T07:32:57 < dongs> that's some autistic data right there 2016-10-25T07:33:41 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-25T07:34:00 < dongs> gimme some sunken transistors 2016-10-25T07:34:04 < stvn> lul 2016-10-25T07:34:26 < stvn> i buy them by the t00bfull mate 2016-10-25T07:34:34 < Thorn> I just ordered J105 and J109, 10 each 2016-10-25T07:34:49 < stvn> what are you aspergervating 2016-10-25T07:35:08 < Thorn> just to see a real life JFET 2016-10-25T07:35:13 < stvn> ok 2016-10-25T07:35:19 < stvn> they're everywhere mate 2016-10-25T07:35:21 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-25T07:35:44 < stvn> yes ohsix there are jfet input stage opamps 2016-10-25T07:35:50 < Thorn> op aps with jfets sure, discrete jfets not so much 2016-10-25T07:36:09 < stvn> Thorn, 9/10 pieces of equipment i work on has discrete jfets 2016-10-25T07:36:29 < Thorn> which part #s are most common 2016-10-25T07:36:49 < stvn> usually 6 pin smt packs dual jfet 2016-10-25T07:37:24 < stvn> they have an odd symmetry which means you can stick them in anyway 2016-10-25T07:37:54 < stvn> not that a D S mismatch ever hurt anyone 2016-10-25T07:39:49 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T07:39:56 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/p4kCYjO.png 2016-10-25T07:39:58 < stvn> sup 2016-10-25T07:40:18 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T07:41:03 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Arduino people are mostly unexperienced, so it's easy to lure them with the promise of "easy" programming. 2016-10-25T07:41:24 < stvn> arduino tards 2016-10-25T07:41:32 < stvn> wb LeelooMinai 2016-10-25T07:42:14 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: A, this is PLC stuff - kind of specific. 2016-10-25T07:42:37 < Thorn> >The NJM4580 is a dual operational amplifier, specially designed for improving the tone control, which is most suitable for the audio application. 2016-10-25T07:42:43 < LeelooMinai> "controlling" <- how lame:) 2016-10-25T07:42:49 < LeelooMinai> controllino* 2016-10-25T07:43:06 < Thorn> why couldn't they use op amps with jfet inputs 2016-10-25T07:43:33 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-25T07:43:37 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-25T07:44:11 < stvn> http://au.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Toshiba/2SK3320-BLTE85LF/?qs=iCzJi%2FIZBF73U9LHzuXieg%3D%3D 2016-10-25T07:44:24 < stvn> Thorn, dunno, maybe some audiophile grease on there 2016-10-25T07:44:53 < stvn> i always thought the rule of thumb was low noise + bandwidth was king with ICs 2016-10-25T07:45:00 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:917d:ffb9:6732:7430] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T07:47:00 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-25T07:47:12 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T07:47:32 < stvn> somebody should chime in if that is wong 2016-10-25T07:48:22 < stvn> apart from owning a few 1960s valve amps for guitar i'm about as anti-audiophool as one can get 2016-10-25T07:51:51 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:917d:ffb9:6732:7430] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-25T07:58:59 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T07:59:54 < stvn> easier to replace a soic8 o6 2016-10-25T08:00:09 < LeelooMinai> People have two ears with limited frequency range - cannot jump over that:) 2016-10-25T08:01:00 < stvn> who would have thought 20 - 20 khz would have been such a problem 2016-10-25T08:02:00 < stvn> except lf audio layout makes EMCfags lose their shit 2016-10-25T08:02:19 < stvn> they fuckin split the groundplane!!! 2016-10-25T08:03:11 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T08:04:08 < stvn> i've seen a lot of designs have nasty susceptibility issues with split groundplanes round dacs 2016-10-25T08:04:11 < Thorn> why so many jap transistors in audio shit 2016-10-25T08:04:38 < stvn> japanese silicon is favourite with audiophile 2016-10-25T08:05:06 < stvn> it sounds as sharp as a katana from manasume 2016-10-25T08:05:09 < Thorn> even horowitz/hill has examples with 2sa1943, 2sc5200, 2sc4793, 2sa1837 etc. 2016-10-25T08:05:22 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: The made some low noise ones in the past, and got famous - then it carried on probably:) 2016-10-25T08:05:26 < stvn> they're great tranzishtas 2016-10-25T08:05:31 < Thorn> whatever those are 2016-10-25T08:05:49 < stvn> Thorn, 2sc5200/2sa1943 are what to pick 2016-10-25T08:05:56 < Thorn> where do you get them, I assume not @ farnell etc? 2016-10-25T08:05:57 < stvn> if you want a linear amplifier 2016-10-25T08:06:02 < stvn> mouser 2016-10-25T08:06:07 < stvn> farnell digicuck 2016-10-25T08:06:14 < stvn> farken google it mate 2016-10-25T08:06:38 < stvn> the most linear thing i work on is a class-h switched rail amp with said BJTs 2016-10-25T08:07:01 < stvn> class-h to me is switched rail, class-g is modulated rail 2016-10-25T08:07:13 < stvn> and class 2016-10-25T08:07:24 < stvn> 'td' and 'eee' is buck converter loaded rail 2016-10-25T08:08:01 < stvn> i've seen some current class AB firebreathers with +/- 100v rails 2016-10-25T08:08:03 < stvn> fun stuff. 2016-10-25T08:09:03 < stvn> most of these 'heaters' will deliver 1000wrms into 4r 2016-10-25T08:10:24 < stvn> some of them will burn 100w just idling 2016-10-25T08:10:38 < stvn> 40 watts of that can be the fans 2016-10-25T08:11:12 < stvn> perhaps 2016-10-25T08:11:20 < stvn> most of them have load line limiting 2016-10-25T08:13:00 < stvn> i had a pro system come in the other day with fried twitters 2016-10-25T08:13:26 < stvn> http://labgruppen.com/view-model/fpseries/fp-10000q 2016-10-25T08:13:32 < stvn> that was driving the hf 2016-10-25T08:14:55 < stvn> looks great for 10 turns of flatwound copper................. 2016-10-25T08:17:40 < stvn> one unwanted switch on impulse and $2000 of HF diaphragms were as good as dead 2016-10-25T08:20:23 < stvn> makes my job easy... 2016-10-25T08:20:51 < stvn> client thinks 1 million gigawatt amps will save his systems from 'clipping' 2016-10-25T08:21:31 < stvn> you could power your heater off it 2016-10-25T08:21:48 < Thorn> http://imgur.com/a/gPIeW why C2 2016-10-25T08:22:41 < stvn> szlikai pair are a topology which requires a bit of though 2016-10-25T08:22:43 < stvn> t 2016-10-25T08:23:21 < stvn> i'd avoid it 2016-10-25T08:24:11 < stvn> the benefits are explored in a lot of well known audio power amp bibles 2016-10-25T08:24:14 < stvn> but ewww 2016-10-25T08:24:26 < stvn> gain in the output stage is really undesired. 2016-10-25T08:24:38 < stvn> you're going to amplify thermal instabilities 2016-10-25T08:26:06 < Thorn> it doesn't say anything about gain 2016-10-25T08:26:11 < stvn> i'd really have to think about it and prototype / characterize it 2016-10-25T08:26:24 < Thorn> also which bibles apart from Self 2016-10-25T08:26:33 < stvn> there is a website called elliot sound products which explores these 2016-10-25T08:26:45 < stvn> self is good, there is another bob cordell iirc 2016-10-25T08:27:51 < stvn> you can make any topology work, and the amusing thing is people will do so to advertise their amazing audiophile qualities 2016-10-25T08:28:55 < stvn> http://bmamps.com/Schematics/QSC/QSC_PLX_Series_Service_Manual.pdf 2016-10-25T08:28:58 < Thorn> I thought you were talking about voltage gain in the output stage (that it's undesirable) 2016-10-25T08:29:03 < stvn> look at this as a benchmark 2016-10-25T08:30:09 < stvn> this is what i'd consider as a 'proper' amp 2016-10-25T08:30:17 < stvn> minus 'class d' 2016-10-25T08:32:57 < stvn> heaps 2016-10-25T08:33:23 < stvn> post filter feedback in class-d is a great amount of fun 2016-10-25T08:33:45 < stvn> also dealing with bus pumping if your power supply cannot sink energy without jacking the bus voltage 2016-10-25T08:34:56 < stvn> lower thd for a shart 2016-10-25T08:35:01 < stvn> *start 2016-10-25T08:35:53 < stvn> also class-d doesn't have great psrr :) 2016-10-25T08:37:14 < stvn> you have to think about it 2016-10-25T08:37:19 < stvn> mr6 2016-10-25T08:37:35 < stvn> ye olde linear power amplifier is a nice thing 2016-10-25T08:38:08 < stvn> all those pretty current sources 2016-10-25T08:39:07 < stvn> heh 2016-10-25T08:40:00 < stvn> unfortunately sales are dictated by power 2016-10-25T08:40:38 < stvn> yup 2016-10-25T08:41:21 < stvn> amplifier mate 2016-10-25T08:42:04 < stvn> ohsix it 2016-10-25T08:44:28 < stvn> yes 06 2016-10-25T08:44:58 < stvn> pushing technical specifications is better for $$ 2016-10-25T08:45:34 < stvn> the landscape has changed. 2016-10-25T08:45:56 < stvn> people wouldn't care if 6 minutes of audio takes 1gb of space. 2016-10-25T08:46:12 < stvn> paradigm shift... 2016-10-25T08:48:04 < stvn> an autistic arrangement 2016-10-25T08:49:46 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-25T08:52:11 < dongs> nice load bro 2016-10-25T08:52:31 < stvn> i need an autism bong to recover 2016-10-25T08:52:38 < dongs> how about this one 2016-10-25T08:52:42 < dongs> ordered toshiba 5tb from amazon 2016-10-25T08:52:45 < dongs> received wd black 5tb 2016-10-25T08:52:48 < stvn> wt 2016-10-25T08:52:48 < stvn> f 2016-10-25T08:52:53 < stvn> oh fuckoff 2016-10-25T08:53:00 < dongs> i mean never mind that WD is compelte garbage and is way cheaper 2016-10-25T08:53:05 < stvn> mm 2016-10-25T08:53:08 < dongs> they couldnt evne send correct shit 2016-10-25T08:53:14 < stvn> buy toshiba for emperor's grats 2016-10-25T08:53:26 < dongs> a need new spare drive in raid and im not sticking WD there 2016-10-25T08:53:48 < stvn> wd - wasted degenerate 2016-10-25T08:55:58 < stvn> chinagirl? 2016-10-25T08:56:56 < dongs> oh wtf this wd is 5400 rpm trash 2016-10-25T08:57:00 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-25T08:57:01 < dongs> ok now super raged 2016-10-25T08:57:09 < stvn> oh thats worse 2016-10-25T08:57:19 < LeelooMinai> Weird - cannot store a new priority in NVIC table... Are there some protection mechanisms for this? 2016-10-25T08:57:27 < dongs> time to liveshat and bitch 2016-10-25T08:59:15 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, strange, looked at CMISIS and it just changes NVIC->IP[x] values. 2016-10-25T08:59:34 < LeelooMinai> So no idea what is going on:/ 2016-10-25T09:04:49 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: marijuana holes] 2016-10-25T09:05:14 < LeelooMinai> CMSIS... whatever:) 2016-10-25T09:05:43 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T09:09:58 < LeelooMinai> Ok, it's unexplainable... 2016-10-25T09:12:49 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-25T09:13:09 < LeelooMinai> This instruction does not change that value: http://i.imgur.com/nt47JOO.png 2016-10-25T09:13:30 < LeelooMinai> Maybe I am tired and I miss something, but imo that's not possible:) 2016-10-25T09:13:56 < LeelooMinai> Should put 5 into NVIC->IP[10], but it remains 0 2016-10-25T09:14:04 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T09:20:22 < LeelooMinai> I broke ARM:p 2016-10-25T09:22:25 < qyx> dongs: wd black 5400? noway 2016-10-25T09:22:47 < qyx> red and green, yes, they are either low speed or variable 2016-10-25T09:24:56 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T09:25:08 < dongs> no idea, label is black 2016-10-25T09:25:09 < dongs> WD50EZRZ 2016-10-25T09:25:11 < dongs> wahtever it is, its shit 2016-10-25T09:29:05 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T09:34:05 < LeelooMinai> Err 2016-10-25T09:34:19 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 2016-10-25T09:35:08 < LeelooMinai> I know what happened - each priority is 8 bits, but only top 4 are used... I knew that... 2016-10-25T09:36:38 < LeelooMinai> It's a signal, that I should finish programming today:p 2016-10-25T09:37:50 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T09:39:35 -!- anton02_ [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T09:41:08 -!- fest_ [~fest@188.226.203.53] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T09:42:41 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-25T09:42:41 -!- fest [~fest@188.226.203.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-25T09:42:41 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-25T09:42:41 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-25T09:42:43 -!- fest_ is now known as fest 2016-10-25T09:44:19 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T09:45:11 < qyx> dongs: thats blue 2016-10-25T09:51:25 < dongs> well label looks black as fuck 2016-10-25T09:57:45 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.63.64] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-25T10:10:11 < upgrdman> ohsix, nice link, thanksd 2016-10-25T10:11:42 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.63.64] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T10:18:23 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-25T10:20:50 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T10:23:04 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T10:27:08 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-25T10:30:01 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T10:43:48 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-25T10:45:54 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T10:47:35 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-25T10:56:34 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2016-10-25T10:56:51 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T10:59:51 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T11:00:59 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-25T11:01:28 < zyp> dongs, there's already a couple of 30kWh-cars around and cars with even larger batteries are on the way 2016-10-25T11:02:01 < zyp> still not really competing with tesla at 100kWh of course, but then again tesla is a completely different price range too 2016-10-25T11:02:33 < dongs> yeah, nothing close 2016-10-25T11:02:42 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-25T11:03:21 < zyp> chevrolet bolt is coming with 60kWh next year 2016-10-25T11:03:38 < zyp> (will be sold as opel ampera-e in europe) 2016-10-25T11:04:09 < dongs> kei-car version of that itbushishi shit is peugeot ion 2016-10-25T11:04:19 < dongs> but isnt chevrolet shit? never seen any of thier shit in jp 2016-10-25T11:05:23 < dongs> Allows you to speed up and slow down by using the accelerator pedal. It works something like this: Press your foot down to increase speed, just like you normally would. To slow down, 2016-10-25T11:05:27 < dongs> just lift your foot off the accelerator pedal. So, instead of losing energy when slowing down, One Pedal Driving helps you generate more energy to the battery. And it’s just one more reason to drive Bolt EV. 2016-10-25T11:05:31 < dongs> uhhh 2016-10-25T11:05:33 < dongs> so how do you suddenly stop 2016-10-25T11:07:25 < dongs> jap chevrolet has nothing but garbage cars in lineup 2016-10-25T11:07:33 < dongs> http://www.chevroletjapan.com/ 2016-10-25T11:08:32 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T11:15:07 < jadew> dongs, to suddenly stop you use the handbreak: http://static.record-eagle.com/2004/dec/09train.jpg 2016-10-25T11:16:05 -!- damme_ [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T11:16:15 < dongs> heh 2016-10-25T11:16:28 < dongs> hmm, actually my last few cars didnt have handbrakes 2016-10-25T11:17:00 < jadew> there are no hills in japan? 2016-10-25T11:17:28 < dongs> there's a parking brake thats left of brake pedal in one 2016-10-25T11:17:41 < dongs> but the other one, even thats gone, there's a whirrrrr when you put it in park that locks teh rear weels 2016-10-25T11:17:49 < jadew> I think the automatic cars I've been in, all hand handbreaks 2016-10-25T11:18:14 < jadew> interesting choice 2016-10-25T11:18:19 < dongs> last thing with handbrake was some ancient nissan i had about 10 years ago 2016-10-25T11:18:42 < jadew> I always saw the handbreak as something that had to be super basic, so you can always use it 2016-10-25T11:19:13 < jadew> so what happens if your battery dies? 2016-10-25T11:19:30 < jadew> and the break is on 2016-10-25T11:19:38 < dongs> well, youre not going anywehre 2016-10-25T11:19:40 < dongs> thats for sure. 2016-10-25T11:19:49 < jadew> heh 2016-10-25T11:19:51 < dongs> but y ou're not going anywhere if your battery is dead anyway 2016-10-25T11:19:55 < dongs> so how is that any different 2016-10-25T11:20:00 < jadew> well, you can push it 2016-10-25T11:20:03 < dongs> plz. 2016-10-25T11:20:05 < jadew> or you might have to move it around 2016-10-25T11:20:12 < jadew> to jump start it 2016-10-25T11:21:41 < Thorn> why +/-18V and 1.5A transistors in a headphone amp http://www.gyraf.dk/gy_pd/hpamp/HP-Amp.pdf 2016-10-25T11:23:01 < dongs> beacuse POWER 2016-10-25T11:23:02 < jadew> what's wrong with that? 50 watts headphones 2016-10-25T11:23:22 < dongs> blast your fucking head off 2016-10-25T11:24:01 < dongs> > date 2007 2016-10-25T11:25:20 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T11:25:24 < PeterM> 1.5a isnt muych for a transistor, +/-18v is useful for 600ohm headphoen though 2016-10-25T11:27:17 < zyp> dongs, regen brake by releasing the accelerator doesn't replace the normal brake 2016-10-25T11:27:24 < zyp> and most EVs do that 2016-10-25T11:27:31 < dongs> yeah well isnt that obvious 2016-10-25T11:27:36 < zyp> on mine it's selectable 2016-10-25T11:27:42 < dongs> why call it a feature that makes it sound like theres no fucking brake pedal 2016-10-25T11:28:14 < zyp> my car has like five steps ranging from no regen when I release the accelerator to full regen when I release it 2016-10-25T11:28:38 < dongs> apparently my cars gas pedal is on the canbus 2016-10-25T11:28:42 < zyp> I mostly use none or max 2016-10-25T11:28:44 < PeterM> whats that? jsut he duty cycle of the synchronous rectification? 2016-10-25T11:28:44 < dongs> there's a variable that goes from 0 to 100% 2016-10-25T11:28:49 < dongs> when its pressed 2016-10-25T11:29:04 < zyp> dongs, your prius also has D/B modes, right? 2016-10-25T11:29:22 < dongs> you mean in transmission stick thing? 2016-10-25T11:29:25 < zyp> yes 2016-10-25T11:29:27 < dongs> right 2016-10-25T11:29:30 < dongs> has those. no idea wat they do 2016-10-25T11:29:42 < dongs> in B you can't drive it in EV mode 2016-10-25T11:29:54 < zyp> same shit, B mode increases engine braking when you let off the accelerator 2016-10-25T11:30:08 < dongs> ah interesting. will check it out nex time i go somewhere 2016-10-25T11:30:14 < dongs> i wonder why they disable EV mode in that 2016-10-25T11:30:39 < zyp> IIRC because in prius it uses the gas engine for extra resistance 2016-10-25T11:31:03 < zyp> also, that whirr-thing is electric handbrake 2016-10-25T11:31:06 < zyp> my car also got that 2016-10-25T11:31:25 < zyp> I can trigger it while I drive for emergency brake 2016-10-25T11:46:42 < dongs> interesting 2016-10-25T11:47:18 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-25T11:48:04 < sync> the low resolution on the brake by wire thing in the prius is funny 2016-10-25T11:48:33 < dongs> what's it do? 2016-10-25T11:49:49 < sync> dongs: slowly press the pedal, you'll notice the steps 2016-10-25T11:53:12 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ASCII a stupid question, get a stupid ANSI!] 2016-10-25T12:03:27 < dongs> hurrr i must be getting stoned is tehre a way to initialize a const uint16 * inside struct initializer without first defininig the array of uints above the struct? 2016-10-25T12:15:08 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-25T12:17:22 < jadew> dongs, example? 2016-10-25T12:18:33 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/23dodT35.html 2016-10-25T12:19:10 < dongs> im sure ive done this before 2016-10-25T12:21:52 < jadew> you're passing a const to a non-const 2016-10-25T12:21:57 < dongs> where? 2016-10-25T12:21:59 < jadew> data 2016-10-25T12:22:07 < jadew> oh wait 2016-10-25T12:22:10 < dongs> surely its const 2016-10-25T12:22:13 < dongs> thats not the problem tho 2016-10-25T12:22:14 < jadew> data is const uint16_t *? 2016-10-25T12:22:17 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-25T12:22:23 < dongs> i want to init that struct all at once 2016-10-25T12:22:26 < dongs> isntead of 2 separate shits 2016-10-25T12:22:44 < dongs> the obvious of .data = { cocks, dongs } doesnt work 2016-10-25T12:24:49 < dongs> am i stoned or has this never worked? 2016-10-25T12:24:58 < dongs> I could have sworn i've initialized shit this wayt before and it worked 2016-10-25T12:29:18 < Thorn> I can see red light in a china led from 0.5uA 2016-10-25T12:31:19 < jadew> dongs, don't know, seems like something that should work 2016-10-25T12:31:31 < dongs> yeah i mean the paste works 2016-10-25T12:31:42 < dongs> but i wannt move that top const uint* into the struct initializer 2016-10-25T12:31:45 < dongs> cuz im a lazy cunt 2016-10-25T12:31:47 < jadew> yeah, I understand what you're trying to do 2016-10-25T12:31:55 < jadew> {1, 2, {1, 2, 3}} 2016-10-25T12:32:03 < dongs> right, and this works 2016-10-25T12:32:06 < dongs> i mean... it worked.. 2016-10-25T12:32:07 < dongs> before.. 2016-10-25T12:32:17 < dongs> but it doesnt fucking work now 2016-10-25T12:32:54 < dongs> must be a feature in gcc 5.0 9/11 2016-10-25T12:33:22 < jadew> maybe if you specify the length in advance? 2016-10-25T12:33:40 < jadew> const uint16_t data[3] 2016-10-25T12:34:05 < dongs> yeah but its variable 2016-10-25T12:34:16 < dongs> oh hm wait lets see 2016-10-25T12:34:17 < jadew> yeah... I see no reason why this shouldn't work 2016-10-25T12:34:25 < dongs> er no tht wotn work 2016-10-25T12:34:34 < dongs> jadew: struct is reused by a bunch of different iamges 2016-10-25T12:34:57 < dongs> so i cant have a size in typedef 2016-10-25T12:35:08 < karlp> Thorn: nice! 2016-10-25T12:36:30 < Thorn> except it's at the resolution limit of my crapDMM so I'm not too sure about the value 2016-10-25T12:36:30 < dongs> fuckit, im just gonna make 2 separate vars like i originally pasted 2016-10-25T12:36:42 < jadew> dongs, make a macro 2016-10-25T12:36:47 < dongs> haha macro 2016-10-25T12:36:53 < dongs> sorry, i dont use those 2016-10-25T12:37:13 < dongs> multiline macros are the fucking aids 2016-10-25T12:37:20 < jadew> 2 lines? 2016-10-25T12:37:32 < dongs> >1 2016-10-25T12:37:47 < jadew> your choice, would make it less crappy 2016-10-25T12:37:53 < karlp> fuck macros 2016-10-25T12:38:41 < karlp> yeah, I could have sworn that sort of thing worked before. 2016-10-25T12:38:55 < karlp> does it work if you use ordered, rather thannamed initializer? 2016-10-25T12:39:03 < karlp> or are there too many other fields you're not populating? 2016-10-25T12:39:41 < karlp> oh, yeah, no, not sure now, I thought your top paste was failing, not working. 2016-10-25T12:40:42 < dongs> doesnt amtter named or ordered 2016-10-25T12:40:51 < dongs> i just did it named for clarity, my first thign was like jadew pasted 2016-10-25T12:40:55 < dongs> < jadew> {1, 2, {1, 2, 3}} 2016-10-25T12:42:28 < jadew> dongs, I think the problem is that because of the pointer it would have to create an annonymous instance of that object 2016-10-25T12:42:36 < jadew> and point to it 2016-10-25T12:43:10 < jadew> as opposed to int data[123]; 2016-10-25T12:43:20 < jadew> which would actually be stored inside the original object 2016-10-25T12:44:13 < jadew> so it's not that it's multi layered, the problem is that it points to a memory location which doesn't exist at compile time 2016-10-25T12:44:38 < jadew> like you could have struct { someotherstruct x; } and initialize it just fine, as long as there were no pointers involved 2016-10-25T12:45:08 < jadew> it should still work, just like when you're defining an object yourself tho 2016-10-25T12:45:15 < jadew> it should just create an annonymous one 2016-10-25T12:46:06 < jadew> I suppose that one's address doesn't exist either at compile time, so I'm not sure what's going on there 2016-10-25T12:47:21 < jadew> but I think that's the issue anyway and why we think it should work, when we did that, it probably worked because the memebers were static 2016-10-25T13:38:54 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-25T13:39:37 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T13:43:13 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T13:49:25 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-25T13:51:25 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T13:52:42 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-25T13:53:10 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo4usbanb9I wtf iceland 2016-10-25T13:53:18 < dongs> [could be nsfw depending on your work] 2016-10-25T13:55:45 < jadew> beautiful art 2016-10-25T13:56:34 < jadew> I was planning to masturbate later, but I think I'll skip that now 2016-10-25T13:58:00 < jadew> I think my next meal is also ruined 2016-10-25T13:59:30 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-25T14:07:59 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T14:15:53 < kakimir> dongs: https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=XD_AX139R5 2016-10-25T14:15:58 < kakimir> have you been playing with these? 2016-10-25T14:16:13 < dongs> ive seen them yes 2016-10-25T14:17:27 < dongs> i wonder if they have round framebuffers too 2016-10-25T14:17:36 < dongs> like the memory chip is not square 2016-10-25T14:17:47 < dongs> but.. maybe a blob of epoxy.. round one.. 2016-10-25T14:18:40 < kakimir> I think those wont have 2016-10-25T14:31:37 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.168] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T14:39:46 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-25T14:42:23 < karlp> dongs: VG are a bit screwey in the head 2016-10-25T14:42:38 < karlp> I wishthey weren't unfortunatly, they've some good people in their ranks 2016-10-25T14:42:56 < karlp> thankfully now we have pirates :) 2016-10-25T14:55:38 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-25T15:06:03 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-25T15:10:34 < jadew> VG? 2016-10-25T15:11:55 < kakimir> first snow 2016-10-25T15:12:16 < kakimir> jadew: virgual goggles 2016-10-25T15:13:42 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T15:13:49 < Laurenceb_> https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fscilogs.spektrum.de%2Fgo-for-launch%2Fschiaparelli-landung-fehlschlag-auf-der-zielgeraden%2F 2016-10-25T15:14:16 < Laurenceb_> or without the translate if you speak German :D 2016-10-25T15:14:28 < Laurenceb_> The measurable Doppler shift and the signal strength, however, also represent data - it can be calculated and derived from it. This fact did not occur in the public. No matter how often you explained it, I gave up at some point. 2016-10-25T15:14:32 < Laurenceb_> top kek 2016-10-25T15:15:34 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: couldn't 2016-10-25T15:15:53 < kakimir> you dust of the martian dust off the solar cells to keep them robot active longer? 2016-10-25T15:16:29 < kakimir> have a feather duster in some hatch that robot arm reaches and attaches to 2016-10-25T15:16:56 < jadew> TL;DR? 2016-10-25T15:17:07 < kakimir> tl;dr; confirmed 2016-10-25T15:18:07 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: tell lwhat your link is about 2016-10-25T15:20:52 < Laurenceb_> mars lander failure 2016-10-25T15:21:07 < jadew> too bad 2016-10-25T15:21:34 < kakimir> autisming about it? 2016-10-25T15:21:36 < jadew> was that thing live? whenever I follow these events live nothing interesting seems to happen 2016-10-25T15:24:02 < jadew> looks like it landed: https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/mars_reconnaissance_orbiter_view_of_schiaparelli_landing_site.gif?w=1132 2016-10-25T15:24:14 < Laurenceb_> the ESA PR management was quite bad 2016-10-25T15:24:23 < Laurenceb_> it was pretty unwatchable 2016-10-25T15:26:05 < kakimir> how so 2016-10-25T15:28:02 < Laurenceb_> apparently it was prob firmware error 2016-10-25T15:28:09 < Laurenceb_> http://www.atmel.com/devices/AT697F.aspx <- running this 2016-10-25T15:28:54 < kakimir> does that fancy pack have any function to it? 2016-10-25T15:29:10 -!- extor [~extor@unaffiliated/extor] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2016-10-25T15:29:20 < kakimir> all golded gold 2016-10-25T15:29:48 < Laurenceb_> I'm unconvinced 2016-10-25T15:30:02 < Laurenceb_> supposedly more temperature stable, no outgassing etc 2016-10-25T15:30:22 < Laurenceb_> but I suspect it just to help up the price to megabux 2016-10-25T15:30:38 < kakimir> what is that frame around the chip? 2016-10-25T15:31:02 < kakimir> and is it used in end application? 2016-10-25T15:31:18 < Laurenceb_> it gives list of applications 2016-10-25T15:31:30 < Laurenceb_> but its an ESA special processor 2016-10-25T15:31:33 < jadew> List of applications: space 2016-10-25T15:31:48 < kakimir> why do they wish to use sparc processors? 2016-10-25T15:31:50 < Laurenceb_> surprised that anyone can buy one 2016-10-25T15:32:19 < kakimir> there might be a few terrestial applications 2016-10-25T15:32:48 < Laurenceb_> LEON2 fault tolerant model is an ESA promoted thing 2016-10-25T15:32:54 < Laurenceb_> dunno if its any use 2016-10-25T15:33:36 < karlp> jadew: VG, the political party that art video dong's linked to 2016-10-25T15:33:59 < jadew> wow 2016-10-25T15:34:34 < kakimir> "such as those encountered in outer space and high-altitude flight, around nuclear reactors and particle accelerators, or during nuclear accidents or nuclear warfare." 2016-10-25T15:36:42 < Laurenceb_> I hope that sequence doesnt represent what ESA has planned 2016-10-25T15:37:48 < kakimir> http://www.maxwell.com/products/microelectronics/space-nuclear-event essential chips 2016-10-25T15:38:10 < Laurenceb_> I like the NED line 2016-10-25T15:39:46 < kakimir> and they like.. buy those things 2016-10-25T16:00:15 < jadew> they probably needed 20, but now they have a full wafer 2016-10-25T16:01:16 < jadew> nvm, I was talking about the other IC 2016-10-25T16:06:52 -!- sterna1 [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T16:09:02 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-25T16:23:08 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.63.64] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-25T16:29:03 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.61.89] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T16:33:45 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T16:34:43 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.211] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T16:46:41 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T16:50:27 -!- anton02_ [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-25T17:01:02 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined 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Is it a good morning, do you wish us a good morning.. what is it? 2016-10-25T19:51:09 < Rob235> I wish you a good morning 2016-10-25T19:52:08 < Rob235> although now I'm not so sure I want to 2016-10-25T19:53:09 < Steffanx> you want to be billionaire so fucking bad 2016-10-25T19:53:22 < Rob235> haha what? 2016-10-25T19:53:27 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:ecbb:a9c4:1dcc:9e69] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T19:56:05 < Steffanx> hah, the ebay seller replied. Let's see how long in can stretch this. 2016-10-25T19:56:15 < Steffanx> *far 2016-10-25T19:56:17 < Steffanx> or whatever 2016-10-25T20:04:26 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T20:09:17 < Rob235> yea I got that email too 2016-10-25T20:19:44 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-25T20:20:28 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T20:23:17 < Steffanx> "that" email Rob235? 2016-10-25T20:23:49 < Rob235> oh you mean you messaged the guy? I got an email saying my money would be refunded 2016-10-25T20:24:33 < Steffanx> Yes :P 2016-10-25T20:28:20 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T20:31:28 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T20:32:36 < Rob235> what did you say 2016-10-25T20:32:46 < Rob235> and what did he say 2016-10-25T20:33:28 < aandrew> hm this consonance stuff isn't bad 2016-10-25T20:33:40 < aandrew> they are some asian mfg with *good* datasheets and do things like dedicated lipoly chargers etc 2016-10-25T20:34:08 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.147] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T20:35:51 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-25T20:45:10 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f777bb6.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T20:52:13 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T20:53:36 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-25T21:03:13 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T21:04:34 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.147] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-25T21:14:06 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-25T21:24:07 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T21:26:10 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.19] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T21:39:38 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-25T22:22:41 < Thorn> do I need to add low voltage shutdown to my ckt with a 18650? 2016-10-25T22:25:12 < LeelooMinai> I would say it's a good idea - at least if you want to treat the battery well. 2016-10-25T22:26:53 < zyp> Thorn, kinda hard to say without knowing your application 2016-10-25T22:27:10 < LeelooMinai> Seems that at some point, if you kept discharging, you will just kill the battery (if it doesn't have its own undervotlage protection circuit that is.) 2016-10-25T22:27:57 < zyp> yes, so the question is; how far could it be discharged, how likely is that to happen and do you accept a ruined battery if that happens? 2016-10-25T22:31:14 < LeelooMinai> If your circuit is called "Battery Destroyer", maybe:) 2016-10-25T22:32:20 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T22:32:32 < zyp> I mean, if your circuit draws like microamps average then you probably doesn't have to care much 2016-10-25T22:33:14 < zyp> like a wireless sensor that spends most of its life asleep and just wakes up once in a while to transmit a short burst 2016-10-25T22:34:06 < gxti> low voltage cutouts have to have their own tiny leakage current yeah? 2016-10-25T22:34:15 < LeelooMinai> When transmitting it will draw a lot though - 10s of mA even maybe. 2016-10-25T22:34:19 < zyp> but nonrechargeable cells are usually more reasonable for those kind of applications 2016-10-25T22:34:47 < zyp> LeelooMinai, that's not relevant, it's average consumed energy that matters 2016-10-25T22:35:49 < zyp> my point is, if the battery is going to last «forever», a low voltage situation is unlikely to be a problem 2016-10-25T22:36:50 < gxti> i guess any kind of secondary cell probably has too much self-discharge to last long enough to be ideal for mostly-sleeping sensors anyway 2016-10-25T22:36:52 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-25T22:37:26 < zyp> power density too 2016-10-25T22:37:40 < LeelooMinai> zyp: I think it may matter. Those batteries behave in complex ways, depending if you draw power gradually or in short burst. 2016-10-25T22:38:52 < zyp> LeelooMinai, eh, throw on a beefy cap and limit how fast it's charged by the battery, and you have a continous microamp load 2016-10-25T22:40:12 < LeelooMinai> The caps are not ideal - it may self-discharger faster than you charge it:) 2016-10-25T22:40:59 -!- jedrek_ [~jedrek@095160152228.dynamic-ww-09.vectranet.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T22:41:07 < zyp> uh, got any numbers supporting that? 2016-10-25T22:41:40 < LeelooMinai> Depends on the cap - it's called leakage current probably in the datasheet. 2016-10-25T22:42:19 < zyp> yes, so can you show me a datasheet that shows a cap having a leakage current approaching microamps? 2016-10-25T22:43:07 < zyp> (I would assume it's listed as a resistance, if anything, since current probably would depend on voltage) 2016-10-25T22:43:37 < Thorn> my device is used hands-on by a user and has a mechanical power switch. it's got ~100-150mA worth of LEDs when on 2016-10-25T22:43:56 < zyp> so it's a flashlight 2016-10-25T22:44:10 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Here's you answer - use protection imo. 2016-10-25T22:44:12 < zyp> and you know some asshole is going to forget turning it off 2016-10-25T22:44:20 < zyp> so yeah 2016-10-25T22:44:44 < Thorn> it's a primitive arcade game for kindergartens 2016-10-25T22:45:14 < Thorn> so leaving it on is even more likely 2016-10-25T22:45:29 < zyp> point still stands even if it's not nice to call the kids assholes :p 2016-10-25T22:45:52 < Thorn> it's got a demo mode which wastes current even when it's not in use but on (maybe I should add a soft power off with a timeout) 2016-10-25T22:45:56 < LeelooMinai> zyp: https://industrial.panasonic.com/cdbs/www-data/pdf/RDE0000/ABA0000C726.pdf 2016-10-25T22:46:02 < LeelooMinai> 6μA 2016-10-25T22:47:23 < jedrek_> Hello, I have a problem connecting my STM32 NUCLEO-F303K8 board to my computer via a virtual serial port. RX works and it reacts to data (turns on the LED when i type "a"), but I get no response in terminal. What may I be doing wrong? 2016-10-25T22:48:48 < Thorn> jedrek_: you mean no echo? 2016-10-25T22:48:51 < zyp> LeelooMinai, interesting 2016-10-25T22:49:02 < zyp> LeelooMinai, kinda hard to interpret that spec though 2016-10-25T22:49:21 < LeelooMinai> zyp: http://www.murata.com/support/faqs/products/capacitor/mlcc/char/0003 2016-10-25T22:49:24 < Thorn> or a message that the board is supposed to print 2016-10-25T22:50:00 < LeelooMinai> This id for ceramics. For bigger ones, lsay 47μF, the resistance ia about 1MΩ 2016-10-25T22:50:29 < jedrek_> Thorn, I mean no data is transmitted via TX on the board 2016-10-25T22:50:51 < LeelooMinai> So, that's 3μA for 3.3V or so. And you have to add other leakage probably in your circuit. 2016-10-25T22:50:56 < jedrek_> for example when I use "USART_SendData(USART2, 'A');" 2016-10-25T22:51:41 < LeelooMinai> So, I would measure it in practice. 2016-10-25T22:51:49 < zyp> jedrek_, have you configured the pin correctly? 2016-10-25T22:52:08 < jedrek_> zyp, I'm not sure, I'll paste the code in a moment 2016-10-25T22:53:39 < zyp> on F3, configuring the TX pin should be identical to the RX pin, so it's kinda hard to get that wrong, but I don't see any other more likely problems 2016-10-25T22:53:42 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T22:53:53 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-25T22:54:04 < LeelooMinai> Damn FreeRTOS priority configuration and ARM - half the settings use incrementing and other half decrementing numbers:) 2016-10-25T22:54:17 < jedrek_> zyp, I do it like that http://pastebin.com/xUCq8dqT 2016-10-25T22:54:40 < jedrek_> and RX pin works, TX doesn't 2016-10-25T22:54:49 < zyp> LeelooMinai, isn't lower number = higher priority pretty universal? 2016-10-25T22:55:05 < Thorn> >GPIO_PinAFConfig(GPIOA); GPIO_Init(GPIOB); 2016-10-25T22:55:10 < LeelooMinai> That's ARM, FreeRTOS used the reverse. 2016-10-25T22:55:32 < LeelooMinai> And I think it's not really uncommon. I thought that ARM-way is more uncommon. 2016-10-25T22:56:20 < zyp> niceness is also lower number = higher priority 2016-10-25T22:56:32 < zyp> and I can't remember any examples to the contrary 2016-10-25T22:56:37 < LeelooMinai> It's more of a problem of documentation I guess. They should specify the order in every place it occurs, to avoid confusion. 2016-10-25T22:56:41 < zyp> true 2016-10-25T22:56:51 < Thorn> ok so what is the minimum voltage threshold? 2016-10-25T22:57:00 < BenderTheMan> So if I want to solder STM32F030R8T6 on my board, and I want to be able to programm it using discovery board. What pins should I connect? SWCLK->PA14, SWDIO -> PA13, NRST -> NRST and is that it? 2016-10-25T22:57:08 < LeelooMinai> 3.5 is probably already low? 2016-10-25T22:57:27 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@parabox.it-syndikat.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-25T22:57:29 < zyp> Thorn, suggestions vary, but anything in the range 3.0-3.5 is fair 2016-10-25T22:57:37 < Thorn> BenderTheMan: see the getting started appnote and discovery board schematics 2016-10-25T22:57:40 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-25T22:57:48 < zyp> if you're making 3.3V from a buck or LDO, whatever your dropout voltage is 2016-10-25T22:57:53 < jedrek_> Thorn, zyp, stupid mistake, thanks for your help, now I get some data :) 2016-10-25T22:58:28 < LeelooMinai> BenderTheMan: They have 6 pins usually for this: VCC (for sensing voltage) GND SWDIO SWCLK AND SWO (kind of optional, but good idea to use it) 2016-10-25T22:58:30 < Thorn> ok, $64 question: any cheap programmable BOD ICs or should I use a comparator + Vref + resistors? 2016-10-25T22:58:49 < zyp> jedrek_, what was wrong? the only thing I see is that you have Mode_IN on the RX pin, but you claim that works 2016-10-25T22:59:13 < Thorn> zyp: >GPIO_PinAFConfig(GPIOA); GPIO_Init(GPIOB); 2016-10-25T22:59:18 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: I would research on Digi - there are tons of specialized ICs for those applications and you need to go into datasheet compare prices, etc. 2016-10-25T22:59:19 < jedrek_> zyp, I was doing GPIO_Init() for wrong GPIO 2016-10-25T22:59:36 < zyp> ah, right 2016-10-25T23:00:03 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: When I design some board, digging through ICs like that takes a significant portion of time spent on the project. 2016-10-25T23:00:36 < Thorn> my current BOM+PCB cost is ~$2.8 per board so it has to be more than cheap, it has to be practically free lol 2016-10-25T23:00:36 < BenderTheMan> Thanks Thorn and LeelooMinai! 2016-10-25T23:00:49 < zyp> LeelooMinai, cortex-m0 doesn't have SWO 2016-10-25T23:01:22 < zyp> and VCC is only required if your programmer have a voltage translator buffer 2016-10-25T23:01:53 < zyp> NRST is also nice to have when you need it, but not required 2016-10-25T23:02:03 < zyp> so required is GND, SWDIO and SWCLK 2016-10-25T23:02:11 < Thorn> BenderTheMan: consider also breaking out a UART 2016-10-25T23:02:13 < LeelooMinai> Right, forgot the nrst pin 2016-10-25T23:02:48 < zyp> LeelooMinai, you said six pins but only listed five ;) 2016-10-25T23:02:59 < BenderTheMan> Thorn: Already did. Just I've never programmed these boards so I what pins I need 2016-10-25T23:03:04 < LeelooMinai> zyp: I just wrote I forgot nrst... 2016-10-25T23:03:11 < BenderTheMan> *so I'm not sure which pins I actually need :) 2016-10-25T23:03:36 < LeelooMinai> Minimum is swdio and swclk 2016-10-25T23:03:41 < LeelooMinai> And gnd of course 2016-10-25T23:03:49 < zyp> LeelooMinai, yes, that's why I pointed out that you remembered it, just forgot to mention 2016-10-25T23:03:53 < LeelooMinai> But nrst is pretty important too 2016-10-25T23:04:02 < zyp> nah, I've never used it 2016-10-25T23:04:25 < zyp> I always break it out, but my programmer doesn't drive it unless explicitly asked to, and I've never had to 2016-10-25T23:04:25 < LeelooMinai> It's used to reset the target - pretty important when debugging imo 2016-10-25T23:04:52 < zyp> you can reset the target without it, as long as the swd-dp is alive 2016-10-25T23:04:55 < Thorn> I have a target reset button on my black magic clone 2016-10-25T23:05:04 < Thorn> convenient 2016-10-25T23:05:37 < BenderTheMan> So looking at the Discovery board schematic, I figure that pins should be 1:VDD, 2:SWCLK, 3:GND, 4:SWDIO, 5:NRST, 6:SWO. Did I get it right? 2016-10-25T23:05:43 < zyp> having to drive nrst externally is mostly useful when you're debugging sleep modes which will turn off the dp 2016-10-25T23:06:07 < zyp> otherwise the debugger could just trigger a reset over swd 2016-10-25T23:06:37 < LeelooMinai> BenderTheMan: Pretty much. As zyp wrote - your micro may not drive SWO, but other ones can. 2016-10-25T23:06:53 < Thorn> BenderTheMan: no SWO on F030 afaik 2016-10-25T23:07:01 < zyp> no SWO on any cortex-m0 2016-10-25T23:07:01 < LeelooMinai> But, you could just keep the pin there to preserve pinout. 2016-10-25T23:07:07 < zyp> yeah 2016-10-25T23:07:16 < BenderTheMan> LeelooMinai: Sweet. I'll make it compatible with Discovery so I can use it as a pogrammer 2016-10-25T23:07:29 < Steffanx> that includes m0+ i guess zyp? 2016-10-25T23:07:34 < zyp> Steffanx, AFAIK yes 2016-10-25T23:07:47 < LeelooMinai> Simplest programmer is take Nucleo and break it out of it:) 2016-10-25T23:08:18 < BenderTheMan> Lol :D 2016-10-25T23:08:18 < zyp> cheapest, you mean 2016-10-25T23:08:26 < zyp> simplest is to just buy one 2016-10-25T23:08:28 < LeelooMinai> Well, at least the normal Nucleo, no those lame little ones. 2016-10-25T23:09:11 < LeelooMinai> zyp: That's not simple if you are poor:) 2016-10-25T23:09:48 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-25T23:10:43 < Steffanx> btw LeelooMinai i saw your throne on zypsnips.. is that REAL? 2016-10-25T23:11:00 < LeelooMinai> The what where? 2016-10-25T23:11:06 < Steffanx> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/desks.links 2016-10-25T23:11:12 < zyp> Steffanx, why wouldn't it be? LeelooMinai has already proved to be weird :p 2016-10-25T23:11:29 < Steffanx> Im weird too, but .. i dont have a seat like that. 2016-10-25T23:11:58 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: No, I modelled it in 3D and then spent 2 months making it look like it was real:p 2016-10-25T23:12:16 < Steffanx> but how do you move/rotate in that thing? 2016-10-25T23:12:33 < Steffanx> i see your microscope is on your right.. 2016-10-25T23:12:43 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: It has wheels undeneath - it moves around. 2016-10-25T23:13:02 < Steffanx> lol, ok :) 2016-10-25T23:13:09 < zyp> haha, is that what the wooden frame is for? 2016-10-25T23:13:11 < LeelooMinai> I need the wheels mostly to slide under the table. 2016-10-25T23:13:20 < Steffanx> also: ear cover/protection? 2016-10-25T23:13:33 < LeelooMinai> Yes, the wheels are under the frame. 2016-10-25T23:14:04 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: That's when neighbours play "Canadaian rap" or my mom is watching "music shows" 2016-10-25T23:14:15 < Steffanx> HAH. :D 2016-10-25T23:14:59 < zyp> Steffanx, why isn't your desk in the list? 2016-10-25T23:15:05 < LeelooMinai> This way I don't have to start another yak shaving project: a railgun. 2016-10-25T23:15:27 < Steffanx> simple answer: i never posted a photo of my desk 2016-10-25T23:15:46 < zyp> are railguns any fun? coilguns seems more interesting to me 2016-10-25T23:15:49 * LeelooMinai ponders why theres a file with links to people desks even... 2016-10-25T23:15:54 < zyp> Steffanx, about due then 2016-10-25T23:16:33 < zyp> ohsix, hmm? 2016-10-25T23:17:38 < Steffanx> tldr; Have a summary? :) 2016-10-25T23:19:02 * LeelooMinai went through the desk links and approves all of them 2016-10-25T23:19:15 < LeelooMinai> Now, you know you have a problem, when you have a desk like this imo:) https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/88/ce/8c/88ce8c8bbe3262b3438f65f0f0e1c313.jpg 2016-10-25T23:19:31 < Steffanx> How did you approve jadew's desk LeelooMinai? 2016-10-25T23:19:59 < Steffanx> Looks pretty cool to me LeelooMinai. Useless but cool. 2016-10-25T23:20:13 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: Cannot open, so I did not I guess:) 2016-10-25T23:20:29 < LeelooMinai> Useless but cool is still useless:p 2016-10-25T23:21:07 < Steffanx> Why no one enhanced the photo of dongs yet btw? CSI style 2016-10-25T23:21:14 < Steffanx> You can see some reflection in the window. 2016-10-25T23:21:32 < LeelooMinai> Someone managed to photograph him in nature? 2016-10-25T23:22:33 < zyp> I've met him, but I didn't bring a camera 2016-10-25T23:23:04 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-237-60-84-93.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-25T23:23:13 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Did he look like this?http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13300000/eric-eric-cartman-13306989-427-371.jpg 2016-10-25T23:23:47 < zyp> not really, no 2016-10-25T23:24:22 < LeelooMinai> "his cap was red" 2016-10-25T23:25:23 < BrainDamage> > zyp: are railguns fun? yes: https://www.dropbox.com/s/00htelbvv17376p/images00058.png?dl=0 2016-10-25T23:26:07 < Steffanx> no video? 2016-10-25T23:27:15 < LeelooMinai> There was a vidoe but both the camera and the operator died. 2016-10-25T23:31:57 < aandrew> that is a weird desk 2016-10-25T23:32:21 < Steffanx> Weird desk for a weird guy. 2016-10-25T23:32:54 < Steffanx> wut ohfive? 2016-10-25T23:38:10 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-25T23:40:22 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2016-10-25T23:42:33 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-25T23:45:58 < Thorn> ok comparator and 3.3V zener added to bom 2016-10-25T23:56:07 < karlp> whichever one of you delightfuls is https://www.dtfuhf.com/ the link to "instruction manual and wiki" is out of date 2016-10-25T23:57:31 < Thorn> farnell ignored my order 2016-10-25T23:59:31 < Thorn> didn't even bill my card --- Day changed Wed Oct 26 2016 2016-10-26T00:00:59 < zyp> once I ordered something from farnell, they fucked up and billed somebody else, and still shipped it to me 2016-10-26T00:01:18 < LeelooMinai> That's not too bad:p 2016-10-26T00:01:29 < Thorn> I'm not so lucky lol, the order is still 'pending' 2016-10-26T00:02:33 < zyp> I assumed that the billed company got an invoice with me as shipping addr, and I didn't want to get in trouble with them, so I told farnell to fix their fuckup 2016-10-26T00:06:03 < karlp> aandrew: huh, neat, all those consonance charger ics are on aliexpress too 2016-10-26T00:06:28 < aandrew> yeah 2016-10-26T00:06:28 < zyp> consonance? 2016-10-26T00:06:36 < Thorn> TME seems to have shipped me the brymen though. no notification or anything, it just disappeared from the 'non delievered products' list 2016-10-26T00:06:46 < aandrew> their datasheets are better than a lot of traditional US makers 2016-10-26T00:08:14 < karlp> Thorn: BrainDamage said that if I could rely on my user only using protected cells, and I wasn't expecting to allow them to run it flat, and then store it flat, it should be ok to not have _extra_ low voltage cutouts yourself. 2016-10-26T00:08:21 < karlp> or at least, that's the way I toook his advice and built my thing. 2016-10-26T00:09:18 < Thorn> >kindergarten 2016-10-26T00:09:29 < Thorn> average IQ in the room is probally 40 2016-10-26T00:09:58 < Thorn> I'll try to get battery part # and datasheet from them 2016-10-26T00:10:01 < zyp> isn't IQ scaled by age? 2016-10-26T00:10:07 < zyp> I mean, to be pedantic 2016-10-26T00:12:12 < Thorn> I've been told they bang on the things so hard that connectors may pop put and it was decided to use hot glue on them lol 2016-10-26T00:12:39 < Thorn> (I mean connectors) 2016-10-26T00:13:03 < Thorn> *pop out 2016-10-26T00:13:46 < karlp> zyp: http://www.consonance-elec.com/Single-cell%20lithium%20battery%20charge%20IC.html 2016-10-26T00:14:06 < zyp> ah, a vendor 2016-10-26T00:14:45 < karlp> thorn, was just readign some people's stories on building underwater shitz, they went, "meh, alkaline has similar power density, wayyyyy safer and easier, and _wayyyy_ cheap if you're buying lots...." 2016-10-26T00:14:57 < karlp> hrm, no desk pics there myself. 2016-10-26T00:15:06 < karlp> got a doll pic though, so that covers it I guess 2016-10-26T00:15:42 < Thorn> background image on that website http://www.consonance-elec.com/bg/bg-productjs-g2.gif 2016-10-26T00:15:56 < zyp> consonance site doesn't load here 2016-10-26T00:16:31 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@79.136.64.170] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T00:16:39 < karlp> it's slow 2016-10-26T00:17:09 < Thorn> 279kb for a gradient. and it's using table layout. in 2016 2016-10-26T00:17:32 < karlp> fuck you, table layout is simple and works well. 2016-10-26T00:17:37 < karlp> yeah, the gradient is dumb though 2016-10-26T00:18:52 < Thorn> karlp: they already bought illuminated buttons (12V lol), batteries, aliexpress charge controller boards etc. 2016-10-26T00:19:34 < Thorn> told them to run it by me first in the future 2016-10-26T00:20:15 < karlp> Thorn: this sort of thing? http://www.ebay.com/itm/142004893160 2016-10-26T00:20:17 < Thorn> and table layout is absolutely disgusting. most importantly, it kills any hope for responsivity 2016-10-26T00:20:40 < Thorn> looks exactly like it 2016-10-26T00:20:47 < karlp> yeah, I've got some coming too. 2016-10-26T00:20:58 < karlp> can't beat the pricing 2016-10-26T00:21:21 < karlp> a _little_ ticked at the size. about 8mm too long to fit with the 18650 case within 100mm 2016-10-26T00:21:23 < Thorn> now they're going to desolder usb connectors lol 2016-10-26T00:21:30 < aandrew> I'm web stupid, what do you use if not grid/table layout? 2016-10-26T00:21:52 < karlp> had to put it on the other side 2016-10-26T00:21:53 < BrainDamage> in b4 3MB node.js 2016-10-26T00:21:56 < Thorn> flexbox 2016-10-26T00:21:57 < karlp> aandrew: css and lists. 2016-10-26T00:22:06 < karlp> node.js is server side dummy :) 2016-10-26T00:22:45 < karlp> responsivity is overrated thorn. 2016-10-26T00:22:56 -!- BenderTheMan [63e9a007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.160.7] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2016-10-26T00:23:02 < LeelooMinai> You separate the content from presentation, so html and class tags + css to use that mata-information to format everything. 2016-10-26T00:23:27 < aandrew> sounds problematic 2016-10-26T00:23:32 < LeelooMinai> At least that's how one would do it 10 years ago:) 2016-10-26T00:23:47 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Why problematic? 2016-10-26T00:23:53 < Thorn> every recent customer I've had wanted it responsive 2016-10-26T00:24:06 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I get WHY you want separation 2016-10-26T00:24:16 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2016-10-26T00:24:28 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T00:24:33 < aandrew> it seems like it would be a bit of a pain to try to lay things out without knowing what's going in there/tweaking things to work on multiple browsers etc 2016-10-26T00:25:07 < BrainDamage> the term responsive bothers me, outside of web dev it means low latency, in web dev it's repond to screen size, i feel like it's some defeat admission by redefining terms 2016-10-26T00:25:09 < Thorn> chrome dev tools simulates phone, tablets etc 2016-10-26T00:27:05 < Steffanx> The multiple browsers issue isnt as bad as it was anymore.. 2016-10-26T00:27:07 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: The meta-tags whould be specific about what is going on there, hopefully. So if you mark something like, say, list to article abstracts, you format it in a colum, etc. The point being that you can do this in separation from generating the page. 2016-10-26T00:27:24 < karlp> anwyay, why aren't we talking about cortex m23 and m33? 2016-10-26T00:27:38 < zyp> wat 2016-10-26T00:27:39 < Steffanx> Is that real? 2016-10-26T00:27:45 < zyp> 64-bit cortex-m? 2016-10-26T00:28:02 < karlp> https://www.arm.com/about/newsroom/arm-accelerates-secure-iot-from-chip-to-cloud.php 2016-10-26T00:28:07 < Steffanx> Quad core. 2016-10-26T00:28:19 < jadew> BrainDamage, web people are not like the rest of the programmers 2016-10-26T00:28:23 < karlp> nah, just trustzone shits 2016-10-26T00:28:29 < karlp> enabling mbed cloud crap 2016-10-26T00:28:38 < karlp> but yeah, armv8-m 2016-10-26T00:28:48 < zyp> ooh 2016-10-26T00:28:50 < zyp> stack limit 2016-10-26T00:28:51 < zyp> neat 2016-10-26T00:28:53 < karlp> arm now has 802.15.4 IP to be embedded too 2016-10-26T00:29:08 < Steffanx> Microchip? I guess thats atmel? 2016-10-26T00:29:09 < BrainDamage> using secure and iot in the same sentence unhironically 2016-10-26T00:30:37 < zyp> hmm, I wonder how stacklimit is going to work in practice 2016-10-26T00:30:41 < LeelooMinai> "The Cortex-M33 offers 20% performance increase in the same process technology compared to the high embedded performance bars already established by Cortex-M3 and Cortex-M4 processors, while improving power efficiency", ok, I guess that's a + 2016-10-26T00:30:45 < zyp> fault when setting sp outside allowed range? 2016-10-26T00:31:17 < karlp> huh, radio core ip includes BT5. 2016-10-26T00:31:19 < zyp> must be something like that 2016-10-26T00:31:23 < Thorn> that sounds easy to implement. couple of registers and comparators 2016-10-26T00:31:26 < karlp> what else is in v8m? 2016-10-26T00:31:35 < Thorn> why didn't they have that before 2016-10-26T00:31:44 < zyp> http://www.arm.com/products/processors/instruction-set-architectures/armv8-m-architecture.php <- judging by this, only stack limit and trustzone 2016-10-26T00:32:29 < karlp> and "more flexible breakpoints and watchpoints" ? 2016-10-26T00:32:36 < LeelooMinai> I don't like those names though... Couldn't they call them M5 or something? :/ 2016-10-26T00:32:55 < Thorn> no word on new DSP stuff 2016-10-26T00:32:57 < karlp> almost all the aarch64 stuff is double numbered, I guess they wanted to keep that? 2016-10-26T00:33:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T00:33:26 < LeelooMinai> And what has aarch64 to do with them? 2016-10-26T00:33:30 < zyp> LeelooMinai, no, it's not necessarily faster than M4 2016-10-26T00:33:35 < Steffanx> Where do you see that "stack limit" zyp? 2016-10-26T00:33:54 < karlp> green box on the right 2016-10-26T00:33:56 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Well, then you should call ARM and correct what they wrote:p 2016-10-26T00:33:57 < Thorn> >C11 atomic data types instructions 2016-10-26T00:34:13 < karlp> v8m baseline includes proper atomic too 2016-10-26T00:34:18 < karlp> byebye m0 shit 2016-10-26T00:34:28 < zyp> LeelooMinai, did you read the article? M23 is a M0-killer 2016-10-26T00:34:36 < zyp> M33 is a M4-killer 2016-10-26T00:34:44 < zyp> that doesn't imply M23 is faster than ;4 2016-10-26T00:34:46 < zyp> M4 2016-10-26T00:34:52 < LeelooMinai> ... 2016-10-26T00:35:06 < LeelooMinai> Did you even read that quote? 2016-10-26T00:35:16 < LeelooMinai> It was about M33 2016-10-26T00:35:57 < zyp> yeah? 2016-10-26T00:37:27 < LeelooMinai> Well, I guess now one waits for new STM32s. 2016-10-26T00:37:53 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-26T00:38:40 < zyp> idk, they're not that much more useful in practice 2016-10-26T00:38:58 < LeelooMinai> What practice... they are not even out? :p 2016-10-26T00:39:36 < zyp> so far I've not done anything that would benefit much from the additions 2016-10-26T00:40:08 < zyp> stacklimit is kinda neat if you're doing multithreading, but I tend not to 2016-10-26T00:41:43 < LeelooMinai> Right, and I am not going to make non-RTOS projects any more, so - will be useful. 2016-10-26T00:43:03 < zyp> that sounds like a bold statement 2016-10-26T00:43:54 < LeelooMinai> Not in my view - I am not going back to 90s era 8-bit micros, so... :) 2016-10-26T00:44:04 < LeelooMinai> I wonder what that coprocessor stuff there is about. 2016-10-26T00:44:30 < zyp> more SIMD, perhaps 2016-10-26T00:44:38 < LeelooMinai> Is this some internal interface to peripherals, or once can use it with external IC or what. 2016-10-26T00:45:03 < LeelooMinai> "Optional coprocessor support for hardware acceleration" 2016-10-26T00:45:14 < zyp> AFAIK FPU is a coprocessor 2016-10-26T00:45:17 < karlp> you can choose to to rtos projects alreayd, and have been able to to for years, m33/m23 won't fix that 2016-10-26T00:45:49 < LeelooMinai> I wrote it will be useful. 2016-10-26T00:46:03 < LeelooMinai> Damn, people, you are all so confrontational - are you on some stimulants or what? :p 2016-10-26T00:46:05 < zyp> karlp, just help diagnosing stack sizing issues, which is a hassle when you got a ton of threads 2016-10-26T00:46:50 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I'm not confrontational, I'm just disagreeing that it's much to wait for 2016-10-26T00:47:04 < LeelooMinai> But no one said that... 2016-10-26T00:47:16 < zyp> 23:37:27 < LeelooMinai> Well, I guess now one waits for new STM32s. 2016-10-26T00:47:19 -!- damme_ [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-26T00:47:41 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but that does not imply I will sit in the basement biting my fingers and counting hours:) 2016-10-26T00:48:06 < LeelooMinai> More like "Ok, fine, we will see when the actual ICs and datasheets appear":) 2016-10-26T00:48:14 < zyp> sure 2016-10-26T00:48:33 < LeelooMinai> I mean they may add something neat - maybe new peripherals - is that not interesting a bit? :) 2016-10-26T00:48:36 < zyp> I can agree to that 2016-10-26T00:49:20 < Thorn> new fun chapters in errata 2016-10-26T00:49:34 < LeelooMinai> New 3000 pages reference manuals too:) 2016-10-26T00:50:00 < zyp> LeelooMinai, still curious where you draw the line for non-RTOS by the way 2016-10-26T00:50:14 < sync> idk why people run rtoses that much, most stuff is fine without them 2016-10-26T00:50:46 < zyp> my lib got multithreading/context switching, so it's an OS in some sense, but I haven't spawned extra threads in any project lately 2016-10-26T00:51:29 < zyp> because doing all in one thread is usually simpler than splitting it into multiple threads and syncing them 2016-10-26T00:51:33 < LeelooMinai> Well, I could answer that, but I need to eat soon and watch maybe Gotham, and I know that if I say that maybe you don't see the bigger picture, it will drag on and on so... 2016-10-26T00:51:40 < LeelooMinai> O, damn, already said it:p 2016-10-26T00:52:11 < karlp> h7 already promised new generation of periphs 2016-10-26T00:52:18 < karlp> would like to see what's new really 2016-10-26T00:52:23 < zyp> what was the deal with h7 again? 2016-10-26T00:52:37 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Big part of RTOS is that - giving you neat tools to synchronise threads and make exchanging data easy and safe. 2016-10-26T00:52:38 < karlp> last realyl interesting new periph for me was the new uart on f0 and later that did all the rs485 automatically for me :) 2016-10-26T00:53:32 < LeelooMinai> Seriously, even blinking a led is easier with RTOS, so I don't see any point of not using that (except the part where you need to learn too much and you have no time or will or you are just telling yourself it's not needed to feel better.) 2016-10-26T00:53:32 < zyp> LeelooMinai, multithreading is a hassle on a full blown computer os too 2016-10-26T00:54:17 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T00:54:34 < LeelooMinai> Sure, but with microcontroller you don't usually do one thing and that's it. And it automatically implies you need to deal with multi-something. 2016-10-26T00:54:50 < sync> with all the microcontroller stuff I've done I've never had to sync stuff, usually just use the DMA to shove data for me 2016-10-26T00:55:23 < sync> and stuff is executing in fixed time slices controlled by some timer derived interrupt 2016-10-26T00:57:05 < zyp> I've been tempted to write a framework to do everything in an async manner 2016-10-26T00:57:07 < LeelooMinai> DMA is a specialized hardware to do one thing. RTOS gives you a lot of alternatives, that will make the code elegant: semaphores, queues, exchanging data between IRQs and threads, events, mailboxes, stuff like that - you need some dedication to learn to use those things, but benefits are immense imo. Unless you don't evolve and intend for all your projects to stay the same. 2016-10-26T00:57:14 < zyp> kinda like boost.asio if anybody is familiar 2016-10-26T00:58:14 < LeelooMinai> Also, if you choose popular OS you get "free" helpful tools. Like support in debbugers for them. 2016-10-26T00:58:37 < LeelooMinai> So you can see info about timers, threads, stacks, heap usage, etc. 2016-10-26T00:59:13 < sync> why would I use something else than DMA? 2016-10-26T00:59:17 < sync> if I can use it 2016-10-26T00:59:33 < LeelooMinai> "Why would I need more than 640kB of RAM?" :p 2016-10-26T00:59:46 < sync> well, everything else robs cycles 2016-10-26T00:59:51 < sync> dma is free 2016-10-26T01:00:31 < zyp> eh 2016-10-26T01:00:37 < zyp> still causes bus contention 2016-10-26T01:00:38 < LeelooMinai> sync: I wrote it already - DMA is a pretty specialized hardware. It will not work for all scenarios. 2016-10-26T01:01:06 < LeelooMinai> Not sure why one would think that DMA is somehow a solution to multiple tasks being done... 2016-10-26T01:01:16 < sync> because it works? 2016-10-26T01:01:30 < LeelooMinai> O, I thought it's broken and doesn't? : 2016-10-26T01:01:57 < zyp> it's a shame C++ doesn't have any coroutine syntax 2016-10-26T01:02:02 < LeelooMinai> sync: Don't be weird - it works at transfering some data and generating interrupts. That's all. 2016-10-26T01:02:29 < LeelooMinai> And it's a limited resource too. 2016-10-26T01:02:43 < sync> well, sure but that is like 90% of the work 2016-10-26T01:02:44 < Thorn> I'm pretty sure if Jack Ganssle were here you'd lecture him too lol 2016-10-26T01:03:46 < LeelooMinai> sync: What work? Maybe yours... 2016-10-26T01:04:55 < sync> realtime control stuff 2016-10-26T01:06:37 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T01:06:54 < sync> I also dislike that with a rtos I loose control over what is happening when to some degree, if I use fixed timeslices I can verify that stuff works and it will always work 2016-10-26T01:06:56 < LeelooMinai> sync: If you like (ab)using DMA for everything, fine. Personally it does not strike me as a universal solution - that's all. 2016-10-26T01:07:43 < sync> it's not like I'm writing application specific code as a universal solution, so wat? 2016-10-26T01:08:17 < LeelooMinai> You can configure modern RTOSes to do what you need for the particular application. You don't even have to have periodic ticks. 2016-10-26T01:10:27 < zyp> how's that solved on cortex-m? I've been wanting to write a tickless scheduler, but the systick timer aren't really very well suited to be used in a tickless fashion, and there's no other core timers 2016-10-26T01:10:27 < LeelooMinai> And you have full control of timing... otherwise it would not be RTOS any more. 2016-10-26T01:11:05 < sync> not really otherwise certain applications would use them 2016-10-26T01:11:09 < LeelooMinai> Systick is fine - I mean all you need is some decent resolution and interrupt. 2016-10-26T01:11:38 < LeelooMinai> With with non M0 you have 24 bits there. 2016-10-26T01:12:15 < LeelooMinai> So, you just take care of calculating the reload values, get interrupts, and that's all I think. 2016-10-26T01:13:04 < LeelooMinai> If you calculate that the next time will be over the range, you just generate intermediate interrupt(s). 2016-10-26T01:14:29 < zyp> how do you do that without messing up the entire timebase? you get indeterministic timing between hitting 0 and setting the new count value 2016-10-26T01:15:30 < zyp> a freerunning timer with a deadline you can push around seems much more sensible 2016-10-26T01:16:36 < LeelooMinai> You would have to look at the source code. Say Chibios - it has nicer code than FreeRTOS imo. You can probably count what time elapsed from the start of processing and account for it when setting new value. But I did not look at those details too much. 2016-10-26T01:17:26 < zyp> how would you count that? manually calculating how much time the cycles should take? what about bus wait states and other indeterministic stuff? 2016-10-26T01:17:46 < zyp> or DWT_CYCCNT which is a debug feature? 2016-10-26T01:18:02 < LeelooMinai> What do you mean "count". I would think you just read it at start and then again. 2016-10-26T01:18:35 < zyp> I've considered the latter, but it seems I can't really rely on it being present and IIRC enabling DWT block adds a power draw which might be considerable 2016-10-26T01:18:40 -!- wanderman [~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T01:18:42 < zyp> LeelooMinai, read it from where? 2016-10-26T01:19:05 < LeelooMinai> From the SysTick register. I mean the value of current count is always readable from it. 2016-10-26T01:19:28 < wanderman> :) 2016-10-26T01:20:06 < LeelooMinai> There's SysTick register block, like for any perioherals - it's documented in the separate reference manual though (the one for Cortex in general) 2016-10-26T01:21:12 < LeelooMinai> zyp: http://i.imgur.com/qJDtuRZ.png 2016-10-26T01:21:20 * LeelooMinai goes to eat finally 2016-10-26T01:21:40 * wanderman feeling universal 2016-10-26T01:22:41 < zyp> LeelooMinai, so you'll read it, do some calculations on it to figure out how much time elapsed, and write back the new deadline? 2016-10-26T01:22:52 < LeelooMinai> Yes 2016-10-26T01:23:00 -!- Guest48053 [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2016-10-26T01:23:06 < zyp> what about the time spent between the read and the write? 2016-10-26T01:23:43 < LeelooMinai> You can probably do some extra adjustments based on actual hardware - I think I saw something in Chibios like this. 2016-10-26T01:24:17 < LeelooMinai> But at this point you are talking tiny jitter - not sure if it would mater in the whole scheme of things. 2016-10-26T01:24:35 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T01:26:10 < zyp> if you're basing the entire system time on it, it'll drift out of sync 2016-10-26T01:27:12 < zyp> and if you're missing by a few cycles on every context switch and you've got a ton of context switches per second, they add up rather fast 2016-10-26T01:28:38 < zyp> a free running timer that's never touched and a deadline that's just compared to it would be much better, since inaccuracies in each single deadline calculation wouldn't add up 2016-10-26T01:33:50 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZWwwT250aGJrTFk?usp=sharing ordered chinaremotes 2016-10-26T01:33:53 < kakimir> very nice 2016-10-26T01:34:11 < kakimir> nylon-gf enclosures 2016-10-26T01:34:14 < kakimir> ip67 or so 2016-10-26T01:34:43 < kakimir> electronics not too shabby 2016-10-26T01:34:50 < aandrew> YUDING... I'm gonna register a business called URDONG 2016-10-26T01:35:27 < aandrew> looks similar to an industrial controller I build for a construction company 2016-10-26T01:35:30 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f777bb6.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 2016-10-26T01:35:31 < aandrew> metal case though 2016-10-26T01:36:04 < kakimir> why you build one? 2016-10-26T01:36:12 < kakimir> you designed or build? 2016-10-26T01:36:18 < kakimir> RF remote or wired? 2016-10-26T01:37:07 < aandrew> not RF, wired 2016-10-26T01:37:15 < aandrew> little Atmel running it 2016-10-26T01:37:24 < kakimir> canbus? 2016-10-26T01:37:47 < aandrew> it has can on it but no need 2016-10-26T01:37:52 < aandrew> it's all just dry contact 2016-10-26T01:38:00 < aandrew> it drives a hydraulic ram 2016-10-26T01:39:52 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGjExBhUgww 2016-10-26T01:39:56 < aandrew> like that, but that one in the video is a little one 2016-10-26T01:40:02 < aandrew> the ones I'm driving are quite a bit bigger 2016-10-26T01:40:04 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-26T01:40:22 < sync> ah nice a diesel ram 2016-10-26T01:40:30 < sync> the hand operated ones are fun 2016-10-26T01:40:36 < aandrew> https://youtu.be/m8YRdR9s08E?t=20 2016-10-26T01:40:37 < aandrew> is better 2016-10-26T01:40:41 < aandrew> still little 2016-10-26T01:41:11 < aandrew> they also do vibratory drivers that kind of liquefy the ground directly under the head 2016-10-26T01:41:30 < aandrew> used in very dense areas where you can't use a ram because you might cause building damage 2016-10-26T01:41:31 < sync> well that is not a diesel ram :P 2016-10-26T01:42:29 < sync> they always use rams here 2016-10-26T01:42:52 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@204.77.3.219] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T01:42:52 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@204.77.3.219] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-26T01:42:52 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T01:43:12 < aandrew> no, the ones I use are hydraulic. there's usually a big diesel motor driving the hydraulic pump though 2016-10-26T01:43:37 < Thorn> why that huge R16 2016-10-26T01:46:46 < kakimir> there is company called Junttan in the city of which rural area I'm living 2016-10-26T01:48:40 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T01:49:00 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dKmSf2jHRQ I think when it comes to big piledriving machines it's the no.1 2016-10-26T01:49:07 < kakimir> globally 2016-10-26T01:50:47 < aandrew> what is that, 25T? 2016-10-26T01:51:18 < aandrew> that looks exactly like what I work on 2016-10-26T01:51:52 < kakimir> I don't know anything about piledriving machines 2016-10-26T01:52:36 < aandrew> http://www.iceusa.com/files/specs/DC2F6C05-D9A6-4C6D-9F97-AD1A56EB1A4A.pdf 2016-10-26T01:52:41 < aandrew> that's one of the ones 2016-10-26T01:53:47 < aandrew> the funny part is that their brochures don't have the warning sticker that they have on their stuff 2016-10-26T01:53:50 < aandrew> DANGER 2016-10-26T01:53:50 < aandrew> STUPID KILLS 2016-10-26T01:54:09 < aandrew> https://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-jbg7mp3qyd/products/13947/images/13266/danger_stupid_kills_sign__49237.1464722732.1280.1280.jpg?c=2 2016-10-26T01:55:09 < Thorn> useless warning, stupid is not self aware 2016-10-26T01:56:04 < sync> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DvIiOAaIxw 2016-10-26T01:58:54 < aandrew> steel toes recommended 2016-10-26T01:59:36 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-26T02:00:49 < sync> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QsA9q9rZDY those are fun 2016-10-26T02:02:28 < karlp> hrm, I think only silk smashing and replacing is left 2016-10-26T02:03:43 < sync> I guess osha would not be happy about those rams 2016-10-26T02:04:03 < aandrew> sync: wtf is that? 2016-10-26T02:04:14 < aandrew> I recognize "genouilles" as frog 2016-10-26T02:04:19 < aandrew> one of my favourite french words 2016-10-26T02:04:21 < sync> yes 2016-10-26T02:04:27 < sync> is called frog :D 2016-10-26T02:04:32 < zyp> karlp, heh, smashing 2016-10-26T02:04:50 < sync> it kinda looks like a jumping frog 2016-10-26T02:04:50 < zyp> that's a thing I haven't thought about in a long time 2016-10-26T02:05:03 < aandrew> yes but what is it for 2016-10-26T02:05:10 < sync> compressing soil 2016-10-26T02:05:32 < sync> it weighs 1250kg :D 2016-10-26T02:05:47 < aandrew> jesus 2016-10-26T02:05:51 < aandrew> 1250kg jumping like that? 2016-10-26T02:06:17 < sync> yes 2016-10-26T02:06:39 < aandrew> that's actually scary 2016-10-26T02:06:53 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-26T02:07:41 < sync> but it works so well 2016-10-26T02:08:16 < vampi-the-frog> that thing must weigh a ton 2016-10-26T02:08:29 < vampi-the-frog> and a quarter 2016-10-26T02:09:42 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T02:10:07 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-26T02:16:41 < sync> the power of diesel aandrew :D 2016-10-26T02:17:25 < sync> it's pretty interesting, they are sitting there with the cyl compressed and you press the button and it injects 2016-10-26T02:19:52 -!- wanderman [~wanderman@unaffiliated/wanderman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-26T02:32:50 < kakimir> okay tell me what is the best 32bit arduino atm.? 2016-10-26T02:33:08 < kakimir> I need some cheap fast development boards 2016-10-26T02:33:25 < kakimir> that I can throw around to stuff and leave to be 2016-10-26T02:33:30 * LeelooMinai sees tomatos being thrown at kakimir and a lot of boos 2016-10-26T02:34:05 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T02:34:37 < kakimir> there is application that are not worth my lpc boards 2016-10-26T02:34:55 < kakimir> resultin only in time and money wasted for no good reason 2016-10-26T02:37:29 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T02:38:52 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-26T02:39:11 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-26T02:39:15 < kakimir> even soldering some attiny to bare adapter board and having some caps to it is still too much time wasted 2016-10-26T02:39:32 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T02:40:40 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2016-10-26T02:41:11 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-26T02:41:32 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T02:42:26 < kakimir> I dont even need iot 2016-10-26T02:43:20 < karlp> is it done? http://palmtree.beeroclock.net/~karlp/draft4-modular-split.pdf 2016-10-26T02:46:05 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T02:47:38 < Laurenceb_> http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/24/technology/virtual-reality-sexual-assault/index.html 2016-10-26T02:58:45 < karlp> plus http://gerblook.org/pcb/agk2KiPQMkwrPdiTEMyhML 2016-10-26T03:00:35 < kakimir> you should write a paper Laurenceb_ - "The Future of Sexual Assault" 2016-10-26T03:00:41 < zyp> karlp, uh 2016-10-26T03:01:11 < zyp> is that antenna in a middle of a huge ground plane gonna work very well? 2016-10-26T03:01:40 < aandrew> while we're sharing 2016-10-26T03:01:46 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/JCnDI <- little lipoly charger board (3A, 3s1p), 64x24mm 2016-10-26T03:01:58 < aandrew> it fits on top of the battery it charges 2016-10-26T03:02:17 < karlp> it's had ground cut out in both sides. 2016-10-26T03:02:23 * karlp shrugs 2016-10-26T03:02:45 < karlp> I can cut out more not really an area of expertise 2016-10-26T03:02:50 < karlp> I can't have it hanging over the edge 2016-10-26T03:02:53 < zyp> yeah, but it's still sitting in a hole in the plane, and the hole diameter looks a lot smaller than the wavelength 2016-10-26T03:02:58 < kakimir> aandrew: is that your design? 2016-10-26T03:03:58 < zyp> but eh, it's probably going to work well enough :p 2016-10-26T03:04:00 < karlp> you reckon I should redo it, move it so that it at least buts up against one edge? 2016-10-26T03:04:20 < karlp> it's probably not terribly difficult, just running out of time, didn't think it would matter an awful lot. 2016-10-26T03:04:24 < aandrew> kakimir: yeah, just did it over the last hr or so 2016-10-26T03:04:41 < karlp> I mean, I can easily make the hole bigger 2016-10-26T03:04:41 < aandrew> just stupid simple one using that consonance part 2016-10-26T03:04:44 < zyp> karlp, that's how I would have done it in the first place, but I don't really know how much it matters in practice 2016-10-26T03:04:53 < aandrew> I wanted to add the balancing circuit but maybe rev2 2016-10-26T03:05:18 < karlp> yeah, I don't really know why I just plopped it in the middle, I think I was plannign on making it pulled in from the sides 2016-10-26T03:05:25 < kakimir> aandrew: very nice 2016-10-26T03:05:27 < karlp> might have to go with this and see if wifi really sucks arse. 2016-10-26T03:05:37 < kakimir> what are your plans with that stuff aandrew ? 2016-10-26T03:05:42 < karlp> already have a revised structural design in my head for a v2 if this works at all 2016-10-26T03:05:51 < zyp> karlp, which module is that btw? 2016-10-26T03:05:54 < kakimir> build one for yourself and that's about it? 2016-10-26T03:05:55 < karlp> esp12e 2016-10-26T03:06:00 < zyp> ah 2016-10-26T03:06:33 < aandrew> with that stuff? 2016-10-26T03:07:09 < kakimir> that board desing or general concept? 2016-10-26T03:07:35 < karlp> iirc, the layout guidelines for the mrf24j40 modules only had a fairly small window outside the size of the module. 2016-10-26T03:07:42 < karlp> can't find similar documents for this esp shit of course 2016-10-26T03:07:49 < aandrew> kakimir: ah, it's for a client 2016-10-26T03:07:53 < aandrew> there's a whole board set 2016-10-26T03:08:08 < kakimir> will we see this in consumer markets? 2016-10-26T03:08:36 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/DClzI that's the chest board set (one is an android board, the other a motor control+mic+ble) 2016-10-26T03:08:44 < aandrew> there's also a "face" board 2016-10-26T03:08:44 < aandrew> yes 2016-10-26T03:08:49 < zyp> pretty much every pcb antenna design I've seen have been located along a board edge 2016-10-26T03:08:57 < aandrew> it's for https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgEmuaCiHxY 2016-10-26T03:09:18 < karlp> It is recommended that the 2016-10-26T03:09:18 < karlp> module be mounted on the edge of the host PCB, and 2016-10-26T03:09:18 < karlp> an area around the antenna, approximately 1.2", be 2016-10-26T03:09:18 < karlp> kept clear of metal objects. A host PCB ground plane 2016-10-26T03:09:18 < karlp> around the MRF24J40MA acts as a counterpoise to the 2016-10-26T03:09:21 < aandrew> zyp: agreed, you need to pull back the ground all around that antenna by as much as you can 2016-10-26T03:09:21 < karlp> PCB antenna. It is recommended to extend the ground 2016-10-26T03:09:23 < karlp> plane at least 0.4" around the module. 2016-10-26T03:09:32 < karlp> that's mine, he's telling me that :) 2016-10-26T03:09:45 < karlp> just "as far as I can" ? 2016-10-26T03:09:55 < zyp> heh 2016-10-26T03:10:01 < aandrew> karlp: any grounds around the antenna will modify its behaviour 2016-10-26T03:10:07 < aandrew> so pull the grounds away as much as you can 2016-10-26T03:10:14 < aandrew> there should be good layout notes with the module too 2016-10-26T03:10:25 < aandrew> example in that imgur album I posted, the bottom (motor) board has a BLE module 2016-10-26T03:10:51 < aandrew> you see it hangs off the edge of the board by 5mm, that's because the BLE board has a PCB antenna on the edge and you want that in free space (i.e. not with a ground under it) 2016-10-26T03:11:13 < karlp> yeah, esp8266 modules don't really come with good datasheets :) 2016-10-26T03:11:18 < aandrew> heh 2016-10-26T03:11:36 < aandrew> the ESP8266 modules I use don't hae an antenna, I bring it to an SMA connector 2016-10-26T03:11:38 < aandrew> no worries then :-) 2016-10-26T03:11:39 < karlp> the mrf24j40 stuff I pasted though explicitly _wants_ a ground plane on the host board 2016-10-26T03:11:50 < aandrew> karlp: yes, each is different 2016-10-26T03:11:53 < aandrew> the antenna design drives this 2016-10-26T03:12:05 < Laurenceb_> how do I antenna 2016-10-26T03:12:05 < karlp> yeah, ie, "what does the datasheet recommend" 2016-10-26T03:12:11 < Laurenceb_> how radio waves formed 2016-10-26T03:12:12 < karlp> which is, "hur hur, what datasheet" 2016-10-26T03:12:20 < Laurenceb_> ^karlp 2016-10-26T03:12:28 < aandrew> karlp: http://imgur.com/BI7v6Bc, just below center of the board, to the right and down 2016-10-26T03:12:31 < aandrew> ESP8266 + SMA 2016-10-26T03:13:05 < Laurenceb_> wow nice board 2016-10-26T03:13:08 < Laurenceb_> what does it do? 2016-10-26T03:13:44 < aandrew> cellular tracker for vehicles (originally was the prototype board for a gps collar for an animal but they liked the proto so much they gave up on the animal tracker 2016-10-26T03:14:11 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-26T03:14:37 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T03:15:35 < zyp> f417, cute 2016-10-26T03:15:54 < zyp> how was getting your hands on that? 2016-10-26T03:16:23 < aandrew> the F417? no issues whatsoever 2016-10-26T03:16:25 < karlp> ok, better? http://gerblook.org/pcb/P55SYNbmaXDzFuPiBuskGX 2016-10-26T03:16:32 < karlp> or no difference? 2016-10-26T03:16:33 < aandrew> the motor board I pasted earlier has an F7 :-) 2016-10-26T03:16:47 < aandrew> yes better 2016-10-26T03:16:53 < zyp> aandrew, I mean, wrt. crypto restrictions 2016-10-26T03:17:07 < aandrew> now if you really want to do good, place 0.2mm or 0.3mm vias along that ground line 2016-10-26T03:17:23 < karlp> zyp: aandrew: is in the land of the brave right? 2016-10-26T03:17:32 < aandrew> not US, but Canada yes 2016-10-26T03:17:39 < aandrew> so no issues with crypto tech in the F417 2016-10-26T03:17:49 < aandrew> although I'm sure that tech isn't ITAR restricted 2016-10-26T03:18:08 < karlp> maybe not itar, but still, "fuck you and your country" 2016-10-26T03:18:15 < karlp> anythign with aes is a cunt to export 2016-10-26T03:18:22 < karlp> that's why st has the different product numbers 2016-10-26T03:18:28 < zyp> eh, restrictions are the entire reason there's a distinction between f407 and f417 2016-10-26T03:18:47 < karlp> that ground plane is only on one side, what would I be stitching vias along the edge of it for? 2016-10-26T03:19:10 < karlp> I mena, I could probably make it symmetric just to stitch 2016-10-26T03:21:00 < aandrew> right 2016-10-26T03:21:05 < aandrew> 407 = no encryption, 417 = encryption 2016-10-26T03:21:07 < aandrew> pin compatible 2016-10-26T03:21:58 < zyp> I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same silicon even, just with the crypto blocks killed off 2016-10-26T03:22:33 < aandrew> I bet it is 2016-10-26T03:26:11 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: it tracks using gps? 2016-10-26T03:26:33 < Laurenceb_> crazy amount of hardware on there, did you use pick and place? 2016-10-26T03:27:20 < aandrew> yes and yes 2016-10-26T03:30:08 < Laurenceb_> whats it all for lol 2016-10-26T03:30:24 < Laurenceb_> stm32+sms+gps should be about 25% of it 2016-10-26T03:30:53 < Laurenceb_> whats U16? 2016-10-26T03:31:45 < Laurenceb_> oh I see it has wifi and tons of blinkenlights 2016-10-26T03:32:25 -!- jedrek_ [~jedrek@095160152228.dynamic-ww-09.vectranet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-26T03:32:38 < Laurenceb_> semi similar to my vehicle black box, but that was logging only 2016-10-26T03:32:59 < Laurenceb_> protip: add mems sensors and sell it for vehicle monitoring 2016-10-26T03:33:21 < aandrew> U16 is JPEG encoder (it has a camera interface) 2016-10-26T03:33:29 < aandrew> that actually came off for a later rev, went with wifi cameras 2016-10-26T03:33:48 < aandrew> all the blinkenlights in the upper right are for external indication 2016-10-26T03:33:54 < aandrew> the row along the bottom center is for development 2016-10-26T03:34:07 < Laurenceb_> oh wow camera too 2016-10-26T03:34:19 < aandrew> the weird area to the bottom right is all CAN+DIO for protected I/O to the vehicle 2016-10-26T03:34:27 < Laurenceb_> nice 2016-10-26T03:34:36 < Laurenceb_> this would sell like hot cakes 2016-10-26T03:35:09 < Laurenceb_> I'm currently running about a thousand dataloggers in ambulances 2016-10-26T03:35:34 < Laurenceb_> but they are very basic - mems+microphone+gps, something like this would make the system realy pro 2016-10-26T03:36:04 < zyp> why didn't you make it like that then? 2016-10-26T03:36:08 < Laurenceb_> worst part is that users have to remove it and plug into laptop to upload files 2016-10-26T03:36:21 < Laurenceb_> zyp: cuz amount of code + back end 2016-10-26T03:36:34 < Laurenceb_> its not a commercial product sold on open market 2016-10-26T03:36:55 < Laurenceb_> so slightly user unfriendly in no big issue 2016-10-26T03:37:00 < aandrew> *nods* 2016-10-26T03:37:12 < aandrew> this was intended for commercial fleet vehicles (transports, trains, etc.) 2016-10-26T03:37:27 < Laurenceb_> damn you stole my business 2016-10-26T03:37:43 < Laurenceb_> not that I was going to purse the idea :P 2016-10-26T03:37:46 < Laurenceb_> *pursue 2016-10-26T03:38:01 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-26T03:39:07 < Laurenceb_> writing a proper backend for clients would take a whole team :S 2016-10-26T03:39:51 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-26T03:39:55 < aandrew> lol 2016-10-26T03:40:01 < Laurenceb_> atm I have windoze shared folders for upload, then linux machine with bash/awk/matlab/latex to put together pdf reports 2016-10-26T03:40:44 < Laurenceb_> then those are emailed out once a week/month 2016-10-26T03:41:31 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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The software part always takes x20 the time or more - kind of scary. 2016-10-26T06:05:41 < LeelooMinai> It was even worse with FPGAs:/ 2016-10-26T06:11:32 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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e.g. changes since last commit. 2016-10-26T08:03:56 < upgrdman> in the commit window it lists the files that were changed, but not the lines that were changed in those files 2016-10-26T08:12:36 -!- Prutheus [~XPS@WB21-0110.STUDFB.UniBw-Muenchen.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-26T08:15:12 -!- Prutheus [~XPS@WB21-0110.STUDFB.UniBw-Muenchen.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T08:21:28 < dongs> use sorestree 2016-10-26T08:36:41 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T08:41:21 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-26T08:43:00 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-26T08:57:13 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T08:58:29 < Thorn> y no dmms with 18650 2016-10-26T09:00:49 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T09:19:29 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-26T09:22:56 < stvn> Thorn, wot 2016-10-26T09:26:24 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T09:37:05 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T09:42:19 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-26T09:47:27 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T09:48:52 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-26T09:59:21 < upgrdman> dongs, wuts sorestree? 2016-10-26T10:00:26 < dongs> sourcetree 2016-10-26T10:00:32 < dongs> shithub gui that isnt complete garbage 2016-10-26T10:00:39 < dongs> like whatever dicklipse might have 2016-10-26T10:05:35 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T10:09:47 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.162.108] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T10:16:42 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-26T10:33:33 -!- Jak_o_Shadows1 [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T10:34:59 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-26T10:35:17 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-26T10:46:53 < Fleck> anyone good with electronics? :D http://tinyurl.com/zosmwcj << op-amp is LM358, when no input is applied, on output there is still some voltage, what's the correct way to "offset/remove" that voltage? 2016-10-26T10:49:00 < Fleck> in code... 2016-10-26T10:49:11 < Fleck> using ADC... 2016-10-26T10:49:46 < jpa-> what is that circuit even trying to do? 2016-10-26T10:49:55 < Fleck> measure voltage 2016-10-26T10:50:10 < dongs> i might be dumb but why not just use a resistor divider 2016-10-26T10:50:26 < dongs> and use a follower opamp if you REALLY need to have it low impedance input? 2016-10-26T10:50:32 < dongs> oh right 2016-10-26T10:50:36 < dongs> faggotleck has me on ignore 2016-10-26T10:50:39 < jpa-> it seems first it has voltage divider by 5.6/105.6 and then amplifier by 100/105.6 2016-10-26T10:50:49 < Fleck> yep 2016-10-26T10:51:05 < jpa-> why would you do that? 2016-10-26T10:51:26 < Thorn> it's changing. it was 1.8V or so and now it's 0 2016-10-26T10:51:36 < Thorn> maybe avoid shit simulators 2016-10-26T10:51:49 < jpa-> Fleck: why not just have the opamp in voltage follower configuration 2016-10-26T10:51:49 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T10:52:15 < dongs> oh is there an echo in here 2016-10-26T10:52:17 < Fleck> jpa-: thats not the q. I cannot change circuit :P 2016-10-26T10:52:31 < jpa-> of course that will still have the input offset voltage which is probably what you are asking about, but i don't think LM358 is even specified stable for gain less than 1 2016-10-26T10:53:01 < jpa-> dongs: yeah, need to echo for the ignorers! 2016-10-26T10:53:18 < dongs> fleck is missing the fuck out 2016-10-26T10:53:48 < jpa-> Fleck: answering about the "correct way" is a bit difficult when the circuit is in no way correct to begin with 2016-10-26T10:54:18 < jpa-> Fleck: but if you are doing it in code, measure the value with 0 input and then just subtract it? but remember that it will change by temperature etc. 2016-10-26T10:54:46 < Fleck> yeah, kinda sucks 2016-10-26T10:55:44 -!- jedrek_ [~jedrek@095160152109.dynamic-ww-09.vectranet.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T11:08:41 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T11:14:13 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:ecbb:a9c4:1dcc:9e69] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-26T11:18:05 -!- jedrek_ [~jedrek@095160152109.dynamic-ww-09.vectranet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-26T11:18:50 -!- jedrek_ [~jedrek@095160152109.dynamic-ww-09.vectranet.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T11:22:17 -!- jedrek__ [~jedrek@095160152109.dynamic-ww-09.vectranet.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T11:23:26 -!- jedrek_ [~jedrek@095160152109.dynamic-ww-09.vectranet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-26T11:24:13 -!- jedrek_ [~jedrek@095160152109.dynamic-ww-09.vectranet.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T11:27:01 -!- jedrek__ [~jedrek@095160152109.dynamic-ww-09.vectranet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-26T11:35:53 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-26T11:38:26 < stvn> yeah nah 2016-10-26T11:45:18 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T11:48:43 -!- inca [~inca@cpe-98-27-155-145.neo.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-26T11:52:05 -!- damme_ [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T12:13:40 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-26T12:27:40 < karlp> heh, spam from alibaba showing me a pile of round oled screens now. thanks kakimir 2016-10-26T12:32:16 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has left ##stm32 [] 2016-10-26T12:32:44 -!- jedrek__ [~jedrek@095160152109.dynamic-ww-09.vectranet.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T12:35:49 -!- jedrek_ [~jedrek@095160152109.dynamic-ww-09.vectranet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-26T13:02:41 < dongs> lolz 2016-10-26T13:09:07 < dongs> yeah by some fucked up reason 2016-10-26T13:09:15 < dongs> a few times i clicked something on alibaba/aliexpress 2016-10-26T13:09:19 < dongs> and a few days later i got a fuckign email 2016-10-26T13:09:24 < dongs> asking me if I needed those things 2016-10-26T13:09:28 < dongs> and I dont evne login to alibaba! 2016-10-26T13:10:49 -!- jedrek_ [~jedrek@095160152109.dynamic-ww-09.vectranet.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T13:13:32 -!- jedrek__ [~jedrek@095160152109.dynamic-ww-09.vectranet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-26T13:14:54 -!- jedrek_ [~jedrek@095160152109.dynamic-ww-09.vectranet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-26T13:15:08 -!- jedrek_ [~jedrek@095160152109.dynamic-ww-09.vectranet.pl] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T13:18:12 < jedrek_> hello, I would like to forward data from one UART1 to UART2, I'm doing it like this in while(1) loop, but I get only one character: http://pastebin.com/pbmMJAmd 2016-10-26T13:18:26 < dongs> lol 2016-10-26T13:18:30 < dongs> why dont you use DMA 2016-10-26T13:18:32 < dongs> like a real pro 2016-10-26T13:18:50 < jpa-> jedrek_: check the error flag registers 2016-10-26T13:30:38 < dongs> http://packetstorm.foofus.com/apoc2k/inet/wecp0207.txt lol 2016-10-26T13:30:50 < dongs> i came across an old hostname i used to have on that list 2016-10-26T13:30:56 < dongs> RIP 1996 2016-10-26T14:15:20 < karlp> read the logs dood 2016-10-26T14:23:36 < PaulFertser> No, stm32s based on cortex-m3 do not have MPU. 2016-10-26T14:30:22 < karlp> PaulFertser: yes they do 2016-10-26T14:34:33 < dongs> im making a F429 board with sdram should I run lunix on it 2016-10-26T14:34:37 < dongs> 8megs should be enough right 2016-10-26T14:35:28 < PaulFertser> karlp: e.g. f103 doesn't or am I missing something? 2016-10-26T14:37:18 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T14:39:05 -!- Jak_o_Shadows1 [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-26T14:40:23 < jpa-> PaulFertser: e.g. STM32L152 has MPU 2016-10-26T14:43:57 < PaulFertser> jpa-: right, I should have said "some cortex-m3-based stm32s" do not have, not all. 2016-10-26T14:44:05 < PaulFertser> Thanks for correcting me. 2016-10-26T14:47:51 < jpa-> and F3 doesn't have MPU despite being Cortex-M4 2016-10-26T14:57:49 < dongs> he knows. 2016-10-26T14:57:56 < dongs> some stm32 shits have it. 2016-10-26T15:00:34 < karlp> there's mpu on some of the m0+ parts too. 2016-10-26T15:01:30 < dongs> but is it on ATSAMD21 2016-10-26T15:01:35 < dongs> the only IoT-ready MCU 2016-10-26T15:02:07 * karlp laughs 2016-10-26T15:02:21 < karlp> ublox odin and whatsit have mbed clopud 5 support, does yours? 2016-10-26T15:02:35 < dongs> i bought like 5 of those fucking amazon button shits 2016-10-26T15:02:57 < dongs> and they fucking switched from F205 + WICed to atmel d21 + cypress ble trash + some wifi chip 2016-10-26T15:03:19 < dongs> http://hackaday.com/2016/07/26/bending-the-new-amazon-dash-button-to-your-will/ ah yes finally i can autism around again 2016-10-26T15:06:30 < karlp> cypress _is_ wiced now remember :) 2016-10-26T15:07:17 < dongs> karlp: what, why? broadcom bought cypress? 2016-10-26T15:07:20 < dongs> or avago 2016-10-26T15:07:21 < dongs> or wahtever 2016-10-26T15:07:45 < dongs> fucking atmel micros with ERASE pin 2016-10-26T15:07:48 < dongs> why the fuck 2016-10-26T15:07:54 < dongs> why would you have this shit on a separate fucking pin 2016-10-26T15:08:04 < dongs> no, autism 2016-10-26T15:08:42 < dongs> http://key-basher.blogspot.jp/2016/09/amazon-dash-button-version-2.html 2016-10-26T15:08:54 < dongs> according to this du mb blog, erase is perm tied to ground, but cant you just mass erase shit over SWD? 2016-10-26T15:08:59 < dongs> or is atmel so stupid you cant 2016-10-26T15:10:10 < dongs> oh looks like if swd is disabled on atmel, youre fucked 2016-10-26T15:10:13 < dongs> until you hit erase pin 2016-10-26T15:10:14 < dongs> cool 2016-10-26T15:11:50 < dongs> k so still nothing usable been done wiht it 2016-10-26T15:11:51 < dongs> too bad. 2016-10-26T15:11:51 -!- jedrek_ [~jedrek@095160152109.dynamic-ww-09.vectranet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-26T15:13:08 < karlp> dongs: cypress bought all of broadcom's wifi stuff: http://www.cypress.com/sites/default/files/media-embed/325276/WICED-FullColor_220.png?itok=avIh1dF_ 2016-10-26T15:13:27 < karlp> or just http://www.cypress.com/products/ieee-80211-abgn-wlan-sdio-usb-and-mimo 2016-10-26T15:13:42 < dongs> ah 2016-10-26T15:13:55 < dongs> maybe they'll opensores it a bit more 2016-10-26T15:18:52 < dongs> wat 2016-10-26T15:20:11 < dongs> soubnds like i dont give a shit 2016-10-26T15:20:19 < karlp> you mean the undocumented "it's going to be cool" private crap on top of 802.15.4? 2016-10-26T15:20:23 < Steffanx> Arm promotes it. 2016-10-26T15:20:28 < karlp> no-one has any way to have an opinion on it 2016-10-26T15:22:50 < Steffanx> There are some documents about the protocol on threadgroup website.. Karlp? 2016-10-26T15:23:11 < Steffanx> But yeah.. No full specs 2016-10-26T15:23:19 < dongs> tightly closed sores 2016-10-26T15:23:45 < Steffanx> I bet keil will give you some wizards 2016-10-26T15:23:50 < dongs> no doubt 2016-10-26T15:30:27 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T15:38:40 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.162.108] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-26T15:42:03 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T15:42:28 -!- Lux [~Luggi09@parabox.it-syndikat.org] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T15:43:00 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-26T15:55:28 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T15:57:00 < Laurenceb_> lul my dad is voting Trump now 2016-10-26T15:59:03 < Laurenceb_> he is like the most liberal left person ever 2016-10-26T16:01:26 < jadew> that tells you what he thinks about labels 2016-10-26T16:02:08 < Laurenceb_> due to Russia/Syria nonsense from Hillary 2016-10-26T16:02:26 < jadew> what did she say? 2016-10-26T16:02:50 < Laurenceb_> muh ebil Russia, moderate rebels, send weapons shipment 2016-10-26T16:02:56 < Laurenceb_> etc etc 2016-10-26T16:03:59 < jadew> right, I think that's what who's voting for him is voting against 2016-10-26T16:06:27 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-26T16:08:49 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-26T16:15:41 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.153.71] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T16:21:28 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.61.89] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-26T16:26:17 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T16:53:09 < Laurenceb_> only half 2016-10-26T16:53:13 < Laurenceb_> and I live in UK 2016-10-26T16:53:56 < Steffanx> Dont forget son of a stoner 2016-10-26T16:54:19 < Steffanx> Druggie. 2016-10-26T16:55:13 < Steffanx> Hows the horse telemetry? You've been pretty quiet lately laurenceb_ 2016-10-26T16:57:48 < Laurenceb_> project finished 2016-10-26T16:58:04 < Laurenceb_> if I get more moneys I'll add 868mhz telemetry 2016-10-26T17:07:06 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T17:07:19 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-26T17:07:58 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-26T17:10:04 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T17:20:23 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T17:28:23 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-26T17:39:24 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-26T17:48:23 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.153.71] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-26T17:51:05 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.123] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T18:01:58 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T18:05:49 -!- jon1012 [~jon1012@foresight/developer/jon1012] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T18:23:32 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-26T18:46:08 < Rob235> hi 2016-10-26T18:51:47 < Ultrasauce> how's the crashing going 2016-10-26T18:53:33 < Ecco> Hey :) 2016-10-26T18:54:51 < Steffanx> Lo 2016-10-26T19:03:02 < Ecco> I can't find a simple mental image of N transistor vs P transistor (when being used as a switch) 2016-10-26T19:03:38 < kimmoli> draw one? 2016-10-26T19:03:50 < Ecco> :-D 2016-10-26T19:04:11 < Ecco> Is it that N transistor are "open circuit" when the input is high, whereas P are closed when the input is high? 2016-10-26T19:05:54 < kimmoli> just way around. depends are you referring P to PNP or P fet? 2016-10-26T19:09:25 < Ecco> P-FET 2016-10-26T19:09:30 < Ecco> so that would be NPN, right? 2016-10-26T19:09:56 < kimmoli> no 2016-10-26T19:10:07 < Ecco> :-( 2016-10-26T19:10:08 < Ecco> :-D 2016-10-26T19:10:55 < Ecco> MOSFET just behave differrently? 2016-10-26T19:11:06 < kimmoli> on pfet you pull gate negative to sourcr 2016-10-26T19:11:22 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-26T19:11:35 < kimmoli> as with PNP, you pull base negative to emitter 2016-10-26T19:12:17 < kimmoli> n fet you pull gate positive to source, and drain goes to source 2016-10-26T19:12:28 < kimmoli> as with npn 2016-10-26T19:15:08 < kimmoli> just google... or what search you prefer. find results like https://oscarliang.com/how-to-use-mosfet-beginner-tutorial/ 2016-10-26T19:16:07 < Ecco> I was reading that page :) 2016-10-26T19:16:13 < Ecco> thanks for the link though 2016-10-26T19:21:22 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.142.231] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T19:22:55 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T19:32:50 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-26T19:32:57 < Ecco> So long story short, apparently P-mosfet are used to switch Vcc, N-channel used to switch GND 2016-10-26T19:36:13 < kimmoli> aka High side and Low side switching 2016-10-26T19:38:04 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:298a:eaa7:c125:6b2c] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T19:38:12 < kimmoli> you can use N channel on high side too, but you need gate voltage higher than voltage you switch 2016-10-26T19:38:39 < kimmoli> just observe the body diode polarity 2016-10-26T19:39:46 < kimmoli> and Vgs limits 2016-10-26T19:46:03 < Ecco> ok 2016-10-26T19:53:56 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-26T20:00:48 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T20:04:02 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T20:04:33 -!- Prutheus [~XPS@WB21-0110.STUDFB.UniBw-Muenchen.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-26T20:10:26 -!- sterna [~Adium@2001:470:28:537:942e:e45c:b095:9035] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T20:14:34 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T20:16:06 -!- upgrdman_ [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T20:19:49 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-26T20:23:11 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T20:39:48 < vampi-the-frog> hm the datasheet for STM32F103RCT6 says it can do I2S at 48kHz 2016-10-26T20:39:57 < vampi-the-frog> do you think I could overclock that to 64 kHz in slave mode? 2016-10-26T20:42:35 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-26T20:47:13 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T21:14:20 < PaulFertser> Can someone please tell me why IKEA furniture instructions is it a common joke theme, and it's usually implied that it's inordinately complex to self-assemble their products? 2016-10-26T21:23:42 -!- Prutheus [~XPS@WB21-0110.STUDFB.UniBw-Muenchen.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T21:37:08 -!- forrestv [forrestv@unaffiliated/forrestv] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-26T21:42:04 -!- forrestv [forrestv@unaffiliated/forrestv] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T21:45:55 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T21:49:00 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-26T21:52:06 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-26T22:05:30 < Steffanx> No one will ever know why PaulFertser. 2016-10-26T22:23:34 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.123] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-26T22:24:48 < upgrdman_> vampi-the-frog, i regular overclock stm32's by ~30% with no problems with any peripherals. 2016-10-26T22:24:54 < upgrdman_> but i havent dicked with i2s 2016-10-26T22:25:29 -!- upgrdman_ is now known as upgrdman 2016-10-26T22:42:53 < vampi-the-frog> nyeezzzzz 2016-10-26T22:43:15 < vampi-the-frog> I figured it's possible, mostly due to the fact that it's an external clock signal 2016-10-26T22:43:29 < vampi-the-frog> the datasheet probably means it can go up to 48kHz in master mode 2016-10-26T22:43:35 < vampi-the-frog> but in slave mode, it can probably do more 2016-10-26T22:48:04 < zyp> PaulFertser, because the inability to follow simple instructions is pretty common, I venture 2016-10-26T23:00:28 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-26T23:00:57 < PaulFertser> zyp: well, my wife says the ikea jokes do not get much tracktion in russian internets. But I doubt russians are any less stupid than the others. 2016-10-26T23:12:07 < Steffanx> maybe ikea is less popular in russia? 2016-10-26T23:19:46 < PaulFertser> Well, it's popular in the cities that's for sure. 2016-10-26T23:20:22 < zyp> ikea seems to be pretty popular worldwide 2016-10-26T23:20:28 < zyp> I've been to ikea in jp 2016-10-26T23:22:31 < Steffanx> hah. Exaclty like those in norway? 2016-10-26T23:23:26 < zyp> hmm, I believe it felt a bit differently, but I don't remember exactly how, been a few years 2016-10-26T23:25:03 < Thorn> polandballs shipped my brymen and even sent me an email with the tracking number 2016-10-26T23:27:00 < Steffanx> what brymen? 2016-10-26T23:27:14 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.142.231] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-26T23:27:31 < Thorn> 867 2016-10-26T23:30:13 -!- c10ud [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: cya] 2016-10-26T23:35:51 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-26T23:38:57 < PaulFertser> Ikea in Israel observes Shabbat and serves falafel. 2016-10-26T23:40:06 < LeelooMinai> Seems like a better idea than having a sale and cooked pork on that day:p 2016-10-26T23:41:37 < PaulFertser> There also was an automatic defibrillator attached to a wall, something I haven't seen here. 2016-10-26T23:41:57 < LeelooMinai> Dave had a teardown of one of those. 2016-10-26T23:50:11 < Rob235> hey 2016-10-26T23:50:13 < Rob235> ebay question 2016-10-26T23:50:20 < Rob235> that guy with the ublox 2016-10-26T23:50:53 < Rob235> hes asking to cancel the transaction because apparently I purchased by mistake or changed mind. If I decline I keep my money and can post a negative review correct? 2016-10-26T23:53:51 < zyp> probably 2016-10-26T23:54:02 < Rob235> yea they gave me the refund, they cant take it back 2016-10-26T23:54:17 -!- Prutheus [~XPS@WB21-0110.STUDFB.UniBw-Muenchen.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-26T23:54:24 < Steffanx> I didnt accept de refund yet :P 2016-10-26T23:55:23 < Rob235> still chattin it up? 2016-10-26T23:56:42 -!- sterna [~Adium@2001:470:28:537:942e:e45c:b095:9035] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-26T23:57:28 < Steffanx> Ya. I askes how this is possible. He didnt really answer 2016-10-26T23:57:52 < upgrdman> is this the ebayer selling GPS modules for $1? 2016-10-26T23:58:50 < Steffanx> Yes. 2016-10-26T23:59:29 < Steffanx> Its worth my five dollar to keep this seller busy/annoyed --- Day changed Thu Oct 27 2016 2016-10-27T00:00:04 < upgrdman> nice 2016-10-27T00:02:30 < Thorn> I now have my own fail button, like Dave 2016-10-27T00:02:39 < Thorn> using the aplus chip 2016-10-27T00:05:00 < Steffanx> Uplus chip? 2016-10-27T00:05:01 < upgrdman> the new Microsoft Surface Studio. wtf didnt they go with gtx10series. also the motherboard area looks kinda gay. 2016-10-27T00:05:06 < upgrdman> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-studio < this 2016-10-27T00:05:21 < upgrdman> and only one miniDP out. wtf. what kind of shit studio only does dual monitor setups 2016-10-27T00:05:24 < upgrdman> such faggotry 2016-10-27T00:05:55 < Steffanx> Studios use mac. 2016-10-27T00:05:59 < Steffanx> S 2016-10-27T00:06:12 < upgrdman> not all 2016-10-27T00:06:33 < upgrdman> but ya even the big imacs have 2 miniDP outs, no? 2016-10-27T00:06:54 < upgrdman> that or the trash can mac with like 6 outs 2016-10-27T00:07:27 < Steffanx> No clue. I have never looked into that. 2016-10-27T00:07:52 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-27T00:08:45 < upgrdman> also the surface studio is fucking expensive 2016-10-27T00:09:02 < upgrdman> 4200 for the i7/1tb/16gb version 2016-10-27T00:09:09 < upgrdman> thats more that what apple charges iirc 2016-10-27T00:09:38 < Thorn> ap89021 2016-10-27T00:09:43 < Tectu> surface studio? 2016-10-27T00:09:56 < Tectu> the fuck is the surface studio? 2016-10-27T00:10:28 < upgrdman> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-studio < this 2016-10-27T00:11:11 < Tectu> holy shit 2016-10-27T00:11:20 < Tectu> that thing is fancy as fuck 2016-10-27T00:11:40 < upgrdman> ya 2016-10-27T00:11:51 < LeelooMinai> Meh, seems like something targeted at artists. 2016-10-27T00:12:04 < upgrdman> i'd prolly buy it too, if it has gtx10series and 2+ video out ports 2016-10-27T00:12:11 < upgrdman> but it doesnt 2016-10-27T00:12:12 < upgrdman> so fuck it 2016-10-27T00:12:15 < upgrdman> fuck it in the ass 2016-10-27T00:12:31 < Tectu> as LeelooMinai mentioned. not exactly our demographics 2016-10-27T00:12:31 < PaulFertser> englishman: russia is not part of the west apparently. It sucks :/ 2016-10-27T00:12:51 < Tectu> that's like so many pixels 2016-10-27T00:13:14 < LeelooMinai> I would rip the screen off and use it for CAD/programming and throw away the rest:) 2016-10-27T00:13:16 < Tectu> the 230x320 next to me looks like shit compared to that. 2016-10-27T00:13:38 < Steffanx> Not if its 1 square inch tectu 2016-10-27T00:13:50 < Tectu> stop imperialism 2016-10-27T00:14:11 < Tectu> tectu is fine, thanks 2016-10-27T00:14:18 < Tectu> time to sleepy sleep though 2016-10-27T00:14:29 < Steffanx> *tek2 *2day 2016-10-27T00:14:55 < PaulFertser> englishman: then they'll cost 3x and the goverment will prohibit improting those from abroad to make it profitable for those arseholes who "produce" (steal 9/10, on the 1/10 that's left order in china, relabel) the clones. 2016-10-27T00:14:58 < Tectu> already did that, Mr.en 2016-10-27T00:15:03 < Tectu> englishman ^ 2016-10-27T00:15:19 < Tectu> of course. 2016-10-27T00:15:34 < Tectu> there's a valve that cuts the water supply at 21:59 2016-10-27T00:15:54 < Tectu> you certainly don't want to be standing in a dry shower with all the shampoo still on. 2016-10-27T00:15:58 < Steffanx> Dont swissers melt their own snow? 2016-10-27T00:16:14 < Steffanx> Collect and melt* 2016-10-27T00:16:38 < Tectu> err, I hope you know that the valve thingy was a joke 2016-10-27T00:17:15 < Tectu> I can send you some if you want 2016-10-27T00:17:35 < Steffanx> I dont want your water 2016-10-27T00:18:10 < Tectu> dutch people don't want any water, that's why you fill everything up with land 2016-10-27T00:18:27 < Tectu> watophobia 2016-10-27T00:18:41 < Tectu> silly-mood-tectu should probably go get some rest 2016-10-27T00:18:47 < Steffanx> Awh. 2016-10-27T00:18:59 < zyp> this valve talk reminds me of campsite showers 2016-10-27T00:20:07 < zyp> where hot water is often controlled by a solenoid valve with a coin thing to open it 2016-10-27T00:20:29 < zyp> always fun when the time runs out and the hot water stops 2016-10-27T00:21:48 < Tectu> no "alarm" thingY? 2016-10-27T00:22:46 < Steffanx> Only screaming boys. 2016-10-27T00:22:55 < Steffanx> So there is your alarm 2016-10-27T00:23:59 < Tectu> for some reason I just though "oh no, now Mr. Laurenceb got highlighted" 2016-10-27T00:26:57 < upgrdman> where is the hole 2016-10-27T00:27:02 < upgrdman> glory hole style? 2016-10-27T00:28:18 < Tectu> good night guys! 2016-10-27T00:29:12 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-27T00:35:45 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T00:37:20 < kisielk> is anyone familiar with the MPU on ST's processors? I'm trying to disable the L1 cache for the SRAM... but after I enable the MPU doing an SRAM read results in a hard fault 2016-10-27T00:37:58 < kisielk> https://gist.github.com/kisielk/0ee929dba8893e134670fd86202d1fb2 is my MPU setup func 2016-10-27T01:00:54 < zyp> M7? 2016-10-27T01:02:02 < kisielk> yes 2016-10-27T01:02:34 < kisielk> I'm using the SRAM for a framebuffer that's then transferred over SPI via DMA 2016-10-27T01:02:46 < zyp> okay, I was thinking for a moment «wat, there's no cache in cortex-m, oh, except for M7» 2016-10-27T01:02:52 < kisielk> if it's cached, it doesn't work... 2016-10-27T01:03:11 < kisielk> for now I just disabled the data cache, but that's not optimal because then I get no caching on the external SDRAM 2016-10-27T01:03:14 < zyp> I haven't really done anything with M7, so I'm afraid I can't be very helpful 2016-10-27T01:03:32 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T01:04:07 < zyp> are you sure you don't just need some barriers when handing over buffers between CPU and DMA? 2016-10-27T01:04:21 < kisielk> the cache is a writeback cache 2016-10-27T01:04:38 < kisielk> so unless it fills up or I flush it, the writes won't hit the SRAM 2016-10-27T01:05:09 < zyp> yeah? wouldn't a DMB flush it? 2016-10-27T01:05:39 < kisielk> I think it needs to be explicitly flushed 2016-10-27T01:05:47 < kisielk> or so says the app note 2016-10-27T01:06:01 < zyp> well, idk 2016-10-27T01:06:13 < zyp> have you checked SCB_CFSR to see why it's hardfaulting? 2016-10-27T01:07:15 < zyp> say, how's areas outside the one you defined treated? 2016-10-27T01:07:39 < zyp> and are you sure BaseAddress is aligned appropriately? 2016-10-27T01:08:17 < zyp> (I'd think the granularity would be way better than 64k, but still a thing to check) 2016-10-27T01:08:51 < kisielk> yeah I'm pretty sure about the base address being aligned, that's the base address of SRAM 2016-10-27T01:09:32 < kisielk> as far as areas outside, I think they just have the default properties, in all the examples they only configure the areas they want to modify 2016-10-27T01:10:01 < zyp> so, what does the fault reason say? 2016-10-27T01:10:24 < zyp> if it's a busfault, SCB_BFAR or something like that should tell you the addr you attempted to access too 2016-10-27T01:10:55 < zyp> which would tell you if the problem is with your area or the outside area 2016-10-27T01:12:28 < kisielk> hm, I can also try forcing a write-through 2016-10-27T01:12:58 < zyp> why not check the fault reason registers first, before trying stuff blindly? 2016-10-27T01:13:43 < kisielk> yeah, I'm looking this up in the manual now 2016-10-27T01:17:39 < kisielk> apparently CFSR is empty, or rather only the highest reserved bit is set 2016-10-27T01:19:05 < zyp> are you certain it's in the hardfault state? double check that ipsr is 3 2016-10-27T01:19:52 < zyp> what do you mean by reservd bit? it reads 0x80000000? 2016-10-27T01:20:12 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@79.136.64.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-27T01:20:58 < zyp> if you're using gdb, do a «x/wx 0xe000ed28» to make sure you're reading it right 2016-10-27T01:22:11 < kisielk> ah I was off by one zero, ok, so it's an unaligned access 2016-10-27T01:22:53 < kisielk> 0x01000000 is the value of the register 2016-10-27T01:23:28 < zyp> okay 2016-10-27T01:24:20 < zyp> I don't assume you've turned on UNALIGN_TRP deliberately? 2016-10-27T01:25:11 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:298a:eaa7:c125:6b2c] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-27T01:25:44 < kisielk> nope 2016-10-27T01:26:55 < kisielk> ah ha 2016-10-27T01:27:09 < kisielk> it needs MPU_TEX_LEVEL1, whereas I had MPU_TEX_LEVEL0 2016-10-27T01:27:33 < kisielk> 0 with non-cacheable and non-bufferable is strongly-ordered memory type 2016-10-27T01:27:44 < kisielk> but when it's 1, it's normal memory type non-cacheable 2016-10-27T01:28:01 < zyp> ah, makes sense 2016-10-27T01:32:19 < zyp> aha, a MPU region's alignment requirement equals it's size 2016-10-27T01:32:47 < zyp> and size can be any 2**N value that's larger than 32 2016-10-27T01:38:13 < kisielk> this processor is crazy 2016-10-27T01:38:23 < kisielk> heh, definitely the most complicated MCU I've ever used 2016-10-27T01:39:40 < zyp> I don't doubt it 2016-10-27T01:48:02 < Thorn> does gain = -Rc/Re only apply at DC if Re is bypassed with a cap? (common emitter) 2016-10-27T01:52:29 < Thorn> https://medium.com/@bartobri/applying-the-linus-tarvolds-good-taste-coding-requirement-99749f37684a 2016-10-27T01:56:54 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-27T01:58:03 -!- kha [~kha@hautio.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-27T02:13:08 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T02:17:58 -!- damme_ [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-27T02:27:15 < Laurenceb_> http://s4.b3ta.com/host/creative/53844/1477428371/wickesmanmin.jpg 2016-10-27T02:40:16 < kakimir> entertain me Laurenceb_ 2016-10-27T02:40:34 * kakimir pokes Laurenceb_ 2016-10-27T02:46:51 * Laurenceb_ is still trying to fix his finger 2016-10-27T02:47:08 < Laurenceb_> PU composite assembly glue is stronger than my finger :S 2016-10-27T02:47:18 < Laurenceb_> now I have no skin on the end 2016-10-27T02:47:41 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mii3yPevWmc 2016-10-27T02:48:59 < Laurenceb_> thats a big cat 2016-10-27T02:49:17 < Laurenceb_> inb4 fishing cat 2016-10-27T03:12:27 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T03:12:38 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has left ##stm32 [] 2016-10-27T03:22:58 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: lol... When I was making stair steps I used construction glue - had to wait weeks before it fell of the skin on legs, hands, etc. 2016-10-27T03:23:49 < LeelooMinai> It's like it becomes part of the skin. 2016-10-27T03:31:47 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-27T03:40:29 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T03:45:03 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T04:03:02 < upgrdman> kinda impressed http://i.imgur.com/Qn7arw9.gifv 2016-10-27T04:07:05 -!- _franck_ [527f6536@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.127.101.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-27T04:18:05 < dongs> fake as fuck 2016-10-27T04:22:23 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-27T04:48:13 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: On that Linus page: the last version of the grid code - it's reduced, yes, but that's a bit of a cheating going there, as the corner cells will be initialized more than once:) 2016-10-27T04:56:36 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Imo not OCD enough:) It can be done better: it's sufficient to iterate from 0 to GRID_SIZE-2 in fact. 2016-10-27T05:05:09 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, seems if I want nice tickless in stop mode with FreeRTOS I have to implement it with LPTR1 instead of SysTick, because only LPTR1 can wake the micro in STOP modes. 2016-10-27T05:10:43 -!- talsit [foobar@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T05:11:05 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T05:35:56 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-27T05:37:15 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T05:37:15 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-27T05:37:32 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T05:38:45 -!- kisielk_ [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T05:38:45 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-27T05:43:10 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-27T05:46:51 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2016-10-27T06:14:26 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-27T06:16:40 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:298a:eaa7:c125:6b2c] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T06:18:22 -!- esden [esden@repl.esden.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 2016-10-27T06:18:22 -!- fergusnoble [fergusnobl@repl.esden.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 2016-10-27T06:19:28 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T06:24:48 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.61.89] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T06:30:45 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-27T06:39:43 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T06:40:40 < dongs> just ordered gtx 1050 ti 2016-10-27T06:40:41 < dongs> fuck yes 2016-10-27T06:40:44 < dongs> will smash AMD when arrives 2016-10-27T06:40:49 -!- kisielk_ [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-27T06:47:29 < dekar> dongs, what are you using it for? 2016-10-27T06:47:52 < LeelooMinai> "Minecraft" 2016-10-27T06:48:58 < dongs> non-crashing GPU wiht 4096x2160 capable dispalyport in office pc 2016-10-27T06:59:07 < upgrdman> you should make another video with your ESD testing penis thinggy and arc it all over your amd card 2016-10-27T06:59:35 < upgrdman> "fixing gpu, better than linus dick tip does it" 2016-10-27T07:00:02 < upgrdman> ohsix, kill some electronics with it 2016-10-27T07:00:20 < upgrdman> hmm. maybe connect it to some tantalum caps 2016-10-27T07:00:48 < dongs> ahah 2016-10-27T07:00:50 < dongs> thats a great idea 2016-10-27T07:00:56 < dongs> overclocking AMD W4100 to HIGHER HIGHS 2016-10-27T07:01:03 < upgrdman> yessss 2016-10-27T07:01:05 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: See if it tingles your tongue 2016-10-27T07:01:41 < LeelooMinai> Like Jar-Jar did 2016-10-27T07:10:44 < upgrdman> k 2016-10-27T07:11:16 < upgrdman> ohisx, bought it online or in person 2016-10-27T07:11:24 < upgrdman> link 2016-10-27T07:13:51 < upgrdman> looks neat 2016-10-27T07:14:03 < upgrdman> but from distance of output wires, highly doubt it really does 400kV 2016-10-27T07:14:11 < upgrdman> but im sure its gets pretty high anyway 2016-10-27T07:15:38 < upgrdman> im been kinda tempted to convert one of the xray power supply boards at work into a jacobs ladder 2016-10-27T07:17:54 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: I wonder what current it can deliver during pulses... If it could, I don't know, kill someone... 2016-10-27T07:21:28 < LeelooMinai> Does it pulse once or it recharges and pulses again? 2016-10-27T07:22:19 < LeelooMinai> Well, if the current is substantial, this could be like a thaser - potentially deadly 2016-10-27T07:22:24 < LeelooMinai> taser 2016-10-27T07:22:26 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-27T07:27:25 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T07:32:50 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T07:38:00 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T07:41:16 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-27T07:41:23 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-27T07:45:01 < upgrdman> ohsix, googled and supposedly 1" spark is like 100kV max 2016-10-27T07:45:36 < upgrdman> 75kV is textbook answer for 1" spark in air 2016-10-27T07:46:04 < upgrdman> but i have these :) http://farrellf.com/temp/voltage_multiplier.jpg 2016-10-27T07:47:01 -!- damme_ [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T07:48:13 < upgrdman> lol you should buy two and hook the out of one to the in of the other 2016-10-27T07:48:56 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-27T07:49:14 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T07:55:24 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-27T08:10:42 < LeelooMinai> What is sacred geometry... 2016-10-27T08:15:50 < LeelooMinai> Ok, now I know - wish I didn't 2016-10-27T08:29:50 -!- damme_ [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Quit: In /dev/null noone can hear you scream!] 2016-10-27T08:32:41 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@182.148.16.35] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T08:32:49 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.61.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-27T08:32:59 -!- Damme [~Damme@h-203-16.a216.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T08:39:17 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T09:00:19 < stvn> yeah nah 2016-10-27T09:00:46 < stvn> gtx1060 2016-10-27T09:02:26 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T09:05:54 < dongs> 1050 > 1060 2016-10-27T09:06:10 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-4db9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T09:08:34 < stvn> don't say that now 2016-10-27T09:08:41 < dongs> i just bought one 2016-10-27T09:08:42 < stvn> i just took one home to drive me 4k 2016-10-27T09:08:43 < dongs> so i will 2016-10-27T09:08:46 < dongs> lawl 2016-10-27T09:08:47 < stvn> son of a bitch 2016-10-27T09:08:48 < dongs> sux4u 2016-10-27T09:08:57 < stvn> i just verks 2016-10-27T09:09:00 < stvn> *it 2016-10-27T09:09:17 < dongs> the only time i'd ever pay > $150 for a video card is if its ABSOLUTELY PRO 2016-10-27T09:09:20 < dongs> like NVIDIA K1200 2016-10-27T09:09:27 < dongs> but for gaymer shit? fuck off 2016-10-27T09:09:53 < stvn> so you paid round $150usd 2016-10-27T09:10:50 < stvn> ~$279 aud here 2016-10-27T09:10:58 < stvn> i paid $320aud for my 1060 2016-10-27T09:11:08 < LeelooMinai> I have all my video cards for free - bought them, then mined with them more then they were worth and when mining became lame, I was left with them:) 2016-10-27T09:11:35 < dongs> $139 for some garbage zotac 1050ti 2016-10-27T09:11:39 < dongs> i didnt want any overclock garbage 2016-10-27T09:11:44 < dongs> since i just want to run altidumb at 4k 2016-10-27T09:11:51 < stvn> i bought what was on the shelf man 2016-10-27T09:12:03 < stvn> giganig 3gb 2016-10-27T09:12:19 < dongs> my shit has 4gb 2016-10-27T09:12:21 < dongs> you got ripped off 2016-10-27T09:12:26 < dongs> btw, yeah au price for 1050 is retarded 2016-10-27T09:12:29 < dongs> its almost 200 2016-10-27T09:12:30 < stvn> of course i did, i went to centrecom 2016-10-27T09:12:31 < dongs> japan same shit 2016-10-27T09:13:07 < dongs> my pal in au was looking and pasted this https://www.computeralliance.com.au/gigabyte-gtx1050-2gb-pcie-video-card-pn-gv-n1050oc-2gd 2016-10-27T09:13:10 < dongs> what a ripoff 2016-10-27T09:13:16 < stvn> but when you want it today, a 5 min drive away... thats what i do 2016-10-27T09:13:43 < stvn> yeah im sure our government invented a bitcoin mining tax :) 2016-10-27T09:14:15 < dongs> isnt mining buttcoin with video cards super etarded now 2016-10-27T09:14:20 < dongs> too slow etc 2016-10-27T09:14:21 < stvn> of course 2016-10-27T09:14:27 < dongs> i mean not like it ever wasnt 2016-10-27T09:14:30 < stvn> ^ 2016-10-27T09:15:29 < LeelooMinai> There were times it was super-profitable. And there even times you could become a very rich person, if you kept mined bitcoins for a while:) 2016-10-27T09:16:02 < LeelooMinai> I mined in safe way - without speculation, just to get more money back. 2016-10-27T09:16:28 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-27T09:26:07 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-27T09:27:05 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-27T09:28:34 -!- sterna [~Adium@c-4db9d954.016-35-62726f1.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-27T09:37:09 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T09:37:47 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T09:38:19 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-27T09:41:33 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: @*($!*] 2016-10-27T09:53:12 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-115-120.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T09:58:12 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T10:01:09 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T10:05:36 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T10:07:16 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Are you watching a TV series about rappers? 2016-10-27T10:08:06 < LeelooMinai> You are very brave imo:p 2016-10-27T10:09:16 < LeelooMinai> Because I would not expect it to be high quality - not sure why, but probably because people who like rap are seldom interesting:p 2016-10-27T10:10:44 < LeelooMinai> Everything has meaning:) 2016-10-27T10:11:33 < LeelooMinai> It comes from south so what do you expect... 2016-10-27T10:12:30 < LeelooMinai> Well, rap is mostly about money, sex and drugs and gangs, so not much better... 2016-10-27T10:13:29 < upgrdman> lolwut, do the aussies not know how to properly fake an animation https://www.computeralliance.com.au/DescriptionImages/04.gif lol 2016-10-27T10:14:18 < LeelooMinai> Religious people - I pretty much read this as "high probability of dellusion" 2016-10-27T10:14:47 < LeelooMinai> lol, getting out of what... 2016-10-27T10:15:06 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, neighborhoods with lots of black people 2016-10-27T10:15:23 < upgrdman> even black people dont like black people ;) 2016-10-27T10:15:35 < dongs> upgrdman: haha @ those fans 2016-10-27T10:15:40 < upgrdman> :) 2016-10-27T10:26:57 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-27T10:33:48 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-115-120.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-27T10:39:23 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, using LPTR1 for tickless mode may be a bit... problematic. 2016-10-27T10:40:20 < LeelooMinai> From what I read when you want to change something, say, ARR, it must be resynchronized between clock domains, so if the timer is clocled by something slow, which it will be (32kHz), it will take ages... 2016-10-27T10:41:54 < LeelooMinai> Because it works in STOP modes - the only one that can do that. 2016-10-27T10:43:07 < LeelooMinai> No, that would be suspend. 2016-10-27T10:44:55 < LeelooMinai> Well, they call it "standby" - it's the last one befor Shutdown on L4 2016-10-27T10:45:16 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:298a:eaa7:c125:6b2c] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-27T10:46:09 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T10:46:15 < LeelooMinai> Well, I guess one way would be clocking that LPTMR1 from external clock (it's possible,) but that would require pcb/hardware change. 2016-10-27T10:46:54 < dekar_> https://www.computeralliance.com.au/DescriptionImages/27.jpg 2016-10-27T10:47:00 < dekar_> Aren't those tantalum caps? 2016-10-27T10:47:41 < LeelooMinai> THose are aluminum caps (at least those in the box there) 2016-10-27T10:48:13 < LeelooMinai> They are not as nice as ceramic, but far more resilient in terms of drying out and exploding/ 2016-10-27T10:48:40 < LeelooMinai> In comparison to the standard electrolytic ones that is. 2016-10-27T10:49:31 < LeelooMinai> In any case - they do not have much in common with tantalum ones - totally different technology. 2016-10-27T10:49:52 < dekar_> LeelooMinai, the ones that look like those? http://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/BIG/642/B1041280642.jpg 2016-10-27T10:51:06 < LeelooMinai> No, I meant those: http://i.imgur.com/v70GoHQ.png 2016-10-27T10:51:38 < dekar_> Right, I meant the background image. Which is still quite ironic IMO. :) 2016-10-27T10:51:46 < Thorn> http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/26/europe/cocaine-ireland-torpedo/ 2016-10-27T10:52:13 < LeelooMinai> dekar_: Maybe they used some stock image? 2016-10-27T10:53:10 < LeelooMinai> But those on the background look like tantalum ones, yes. 2016-10-27T10:53:11 < dekar_> Or maybe tantalum meets their proprietary Ultra Durable 2 requirements. 2016-10-27T10:54:53 < LeelooMinai> Well, they box has "solid" there and tantalums are like electrolytics ones. 2016-10-27T10:55:02 < dongs> UltraDumb 2016-10-27T10:55:42 < LeelooMinai> Well, hmm, I don't know now - I am reading they can have solid electrolyte. 2016-10-27T10:56:12 < LeelooMinai> I guess there are two kind of tantalums then - some have solid electrolyte and some not:/ 2016-10-27T10:59:58 < dongs> Thorn: they should have kept it and got super fucking stoned instead 2016-10-27T11:00:43 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T11:02:05 < LeelooMinai> lol at worth $5 million - maybe if you are a drug dealer 2016-10-27T11:05:30 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-27T11:06:15 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T11:06:20 < Thorn> they shopuld have taken it to the local rohde&schwartz office 2016-10-27T11:07:05 -!- damme_ [~damme@static-212-162-177-73.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T11:08:01 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-27T11:12:46 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T11:26:33 < ReadErr> hi 2016-10-27T11:26:52 < ReadErr> tantalums are blood caps 2016-10-27T11:27:00 < ReadErr> buy them if you want to support slavery 2016-10-27T11:29:41 < jpa-> like tin, tungsten and gold also.. 2016-10-27T11:29:43 < ReadErr> cold stars? 2016-10-27T11:30:19 -!- jadew` [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T11:30:19 -!- jadew` [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-27T11:30:19 -!- jadew` [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T11:31:13 -!- jadew` [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-27T11:31:53 < LeelooMinai> More like exploded stars:) 2016-10-27T11:32:05 -!- damme_ [~damme@static-212-162-177-73.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-27T11:33:15 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-27T11:45:02 < dongs> CONFLICT MATERIALS 2016-10-27T11:45:08 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-27T11:45:16 < dongs> mined by the slaves in CONGO 2016-10-27T11:50:39 -!- damme_ [~damme@static-212-162-177-73.cust.tele2.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T12:07:00 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-27T12:08:26 < LeelooMinai> As someone said "Forget Jesus - stars died so we can live":) 2016-10-27T12:11:45 -!- a_morale [~quassel@178.62.70.160] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T12:17:51 < LeelooMinai> That goes fast:) https://www.gofundme.com/seculartalk 2016-10-27T12:18:36 -!- damme_ [~damme@static-212-162-177-73.cust.tele2.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-27T12:23:35 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-115-120.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T12:31:11 -!- Fleck [~fleck@ns.rullz.lv] has quit [Changing host] 2016-10-27T12:31:11 -!- Fleck [~fleck@unaffiliated/fleck] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T12:43:03 < dongs> zyp: i checked why 'B' mode was shit. it doesnt disable EV mode, it disables cruise control 2016-10-27T12:43:56 < Steffanx> Thanks ohsix. Going to reply :) 2016-10-27T12:45:41 < Steffanx> But check thr photos 2016-10-27T12:45:50 < zyp> dongs, well, duh, B mode is pretty pointless in cruise control 2016-10-27T12:46:05 < karlp> what's with the coffee grinder pics 2016-10-27T12:52:55 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-115-120.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-27T12:57:57 < dongs> zyp, well, thats like most of my driving 2016-10-27T12:58:28 < dongs> besides, it sorta engine-brakes in cruisecontrol already anyway 2016-10-27T12:58:35 < dongs> cuz you can slow it down by the set/reset knob 2016-10-27T12:59:12 < zyp> exactly, that's why it's pointless in cruise control 2016-10-27T12:59:18 < kakimir> k 2016-10-27T12:59:53 < zyp> in my car, cruise control can be enabled in either mode, but there's no difference since cruise control controls regen when active 2016-10-27T13:17:36 < Ecco> ohsix: hey 2016-10-27T13:18:00 < Ecco> Oh boy the guy is an idiot 2016-10-27T13:20:28 < dongs> ecco, /ignore is a thing 2016-10-27T13:20:35 < dongs> removes o6 from your chats 2016-10-27T13:21:31 < Ecco> well it was actually useful 2016-10-27T13:21:38 < Ecco> that guy is trying to cancel the order I placed 2016-10-27T13:22:03 < Ecco> telling me that he doesn't have any stock left 2016-10-27T13:27:15 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-115-120.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T13:41:33 < karlp> well, hooray. ch34x driver cleanup finally got merged. 2016-10-27T13:41:36 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-27T13:42:14 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@182.148.16.35] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-27T13:43:10 < karlp> well hooray, linux 4.10 looks like it will finally get ch340/ch341 support fixed. 2016-10-27T13:43:18 < karlp> doh sorry, wrong windows 2016-10-27T13:43:25 < jpa-> i'm happy to know 2016-10-27T13:43:35 < dongs> been working on windows since day1, right? 2016-10-27T13:44:25 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@182.148.16.35] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T13:44:32 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T13:44:59 < kakimir> karlp: that's a good thing - distributed in.. 2years? 2016-10-27T13:45:33 < karlp> kakimir: depends on your distro. 2016-10-27T13:45:43 < emeryth> karlp: what was wrong with it? 2016-10-27T13:45:50 < karlp> no parity support for starters. 2016-10-27T13:46:02 < karlp> so unusable with st bootloader for instance 2016-10-27T13:46:34 < kakimir> karlp: you know my distro is shit brown 2016-10-27T13:50:14 < kakimir> with a mint fresh cover to it 2016-10-27T13:55:32 -!- damme_ [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T13:56:13 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T14:00:13 < jpa-> for me, CH340 didn't work at all on linux.. got detected but RX/TX loopback gave corrupted data 2016-10-27T14:00:19 < jpa-> worked on windows with chinese drivers 2016-10-27T14:06:23 < Fleck> using CH340 all the time on linux, no problem here! 2016-10-27T14:07:41 < kakimir> what driver you use? 2016-10-27T14:09:33 < Fleck> 4.4.0 2016-10-27T14:22:22 < karlp> jpa-: yar, lots of init bugs too. 2016-10-27T14:33:59 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-27T14:54:05 < dongs> so NXP deal is done 2016-10-27T14:54:08 < dongs> RIP datasheets. 2016-10-27T14:54:39 < dongs> http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/27/qualcomm-to-buy-nxp-for-110-a-share-in-cash.html 2016-10-27T14:54:41 < dongs> 47bil 2016-10-27T14:55:57 < Thorn> wtf is there going to be one huge company in a few years? or say 3? 2016-10-27T14:58:01 < emeryth> there will be only Microchip 2016-10-27T14:58:53 < dongs> haha 2016-10-27T15:09:49 < kimmoli> fusk 2016-10-27T15:11:39 < kakimir> is qualcomm chinese? 2016-10-27T15:13:55 < karlp> southern california baby 2016-10-27T15:14:36 < karlp> or, "We invented this dumb incompatible way of using mobile phones used in the USA only, but you're all going to have to pay us shedloads of patent licensing anyway" 2016-10-27T15:15:21 -!- PaulFertser [paul@2001:470:26:54b:260:98ff:feef:cb79] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-27T15:16:11 -!- PaulFertser [paul@2001:470:26:54b:260:98ff:feef:cb79] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T15:19:14 < Kliment> emeryth: Having recently spoken to an ex-Atmelite at Microchip, I don't think that's likely 2016-10-27T15:21:20 < emeryth> Kliment: is microchip going down? 2016-10-27T15:21:38 < Kliment> No, not in the least 2016-10-27T15:21:58 < Kliment> But they won't be doing any acquisitions near that size soon 2016-10-27T15:22:45 < Kliment> I expected a lot of the atmel people would leave but they haven't, and they don't seem to feel too bad there 2016-10-27T15:23:28 < Kliment> So shockingly, it looks like microchip is actually making an effort to use atmel's product lines and tech to make money! 2016-10-27T15:24:46 -!- Damme [~Damme@h-203-16.a216.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-27T15:32:21 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T15:35:31 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T15:41:16 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-115-120.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-27T15:43:01 < kakimir> guise https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKYTgxUmhpT0N1YkE/view?usp=sharing how do I change that distance keeping one of the circles fixed? 2016-10-27T15:43:27 < kakimir> I want it to be like 45mm or 50mm for clearness 2016-10-27T15:46:17 -!- damme_ [~damme@2001:16d8:cc75::802] has quit [Quit: In /dev/null noone can hear you scream!] 2016-10-27T15:46:19 -!- Damme [~Damme@2001:16d8:cc75:0:21d:7dff:fe09:4e91] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T15:46:23 < kakimir> it's like offset but in that line 2016-10-27T15:49:18 < kakimir> I better do 50mm circle and use crossing of circle and 45degree line 2016-10-27T15:49:40 < kakimir> radius 2016-10-27T15:49:54 < kakimir> wait- I already have r50 circle 2016-10-27T16:08:58 < kakimir> should have done schools 2016-10-27T16:09:52 -!- Damme [~Damme@2001:16d8:cc75:0:21d:7dff:fe09:4e91] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.6.3 - http://znc.in] 2016-10-27T16:10:05 -!- Damme [~Damme@2001:16d8:cc75:0:21d:7dff:fe09:4e91] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T16:45:04 -!- dekar_ [~dekar@182.148.16.35] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-27T16:58:08 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-27T16:59:30 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-191-73.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-27T17:04:01 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T17:07:26 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-27T17:10:27 < jpa-> > qcad in finnish 2016-10-27T17:10:55 < kakimir> translation seems complete 2016-10-27T17:11:04 < jpa-> yeah, looks relatively good 2016-10-27T17:11:12 < jpa-> there is one label "Handle" on the right hand side 2016-10-27T17:11:13 < kakimir> no finglish words 2016-10-27T17:11:24 < kakimir> oh 2016-10-27T17:11:55 < kakimir> recommend me software that prints into image file 2016-10-27T17:12:06 < kakimir> *printer software 2016-10-27T17:12:14 < kakimir> win10 ofc. 2016-10-27T17:12:31 < kakimir> or way to print some selected part of pdf scaled into A4 2016-10-27T17:13:18 < jpa-> IIRC even adobe reader can just scale and move around the print preview to select part 2016-10-27T17:13:32 < jpa-> or you can open it in inkscape and scale there 2016-10-27T17:13:59 < kakimir> oh I have acrobat actually 2016-10-27T17:14:17 < jpa-> have you tried the qcad cam? 2016-10-27T17:16:47 < kakimir> no 2016-10-27T17:17:03 < kakimir> what should I use it for? 2016-10-27T17:17:44 < jpa-> probably nothing if you don't have cnc :) 2016-10-27T17:49:04 -!- inca [~inca@159.63.7.230] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T17:53:43 < karlp> what does one do wiht a bunch of office phones? http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEC-Nitsuko-DX2E-12BTXH-12-Button-Phone-Telephone-Inc-VAT-Warranty-/330950120580?hash=item4d0e2a1484:m:mDXJEMrv3WXlvYo3cSqKsMA 2016-10-27T17:55:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-27T17:56:56 < kakimir> isnt it ip phones all the way in 2016? 2016-10-27T17:57:36 < karlp> yeah, we're tossing them at work, trying to think if there's anythign useful at all to do with them 2016-10-27T17:57:53 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T18:01:51 < karlp> yeah, the few people who were using them have just got some usb headset thing that they're ok with for ip networking 2016-10-27T18:02:08 < karlp> teh rest of use just never wanted them anyway. 2016-10-27T18:02:27 < karlp> I'll probably try and squirrel away a couple of "ideas" 2016-10-27T18:03:13 < karlp> dude ata adapters are the same price as the phone 2016-10-27T18:18:16 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-27T18:20:44 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T18:54:40 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-27T19:04:33 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T19:10:39 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-27T19:34:32 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2016-10-27T19:34:54 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.142.231] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T19:36:40 < Steffanx> Why you use all your stuff in finnish kakimir? 2016-10-27T19:37:07 < Steffanx> Isnt that terribly annoying when you follow some tutorial, read some help or need to google for something? 2016-10-27T19:46:58 < jpa-> if he understands english and understands finnish, probably not 2016-10-27T19:48:40 < Steffanx> In my experience it can be pretty annoying to find the exact menu setting etc. when something is not in the same language a the help/tutorial etc. 2016-10-27T19:50:17 < jpa-> probably because no-one understands netherlandian 2016-10-27T19:52:53 < Steffanx> much easier than finnnnnniiïiïïs 2016-10-27T19:53:31 < Steffanx> So did junior solder his first pcb yet jpa-? 2016-10-27T19:54:18 < jpa-> not yet 2016-10-27T19:54:20 < Steffanx> *her ( i dont remember ) 2016-10-27T19:58:10 < Steffanx> Except for that it's all going well? 2016-10-27T19:58:16 < jpa-> sure 2016-10-27T19:58:35 < Steffanx> :) 2016-10-27T19:59:05 < Steffanx> Except for lack of sleep? 2016-10-27T19:59:14 < Steffanx> for mr jpa-. ( because grumpy) 2016-10-27T19:59:31 < jpa-> yep 2016-10-27T20:01:05 < Steffanx> ok. 2016-10-27T20:01:42 < Steffanx> finally a real finnisher then. 2016-10-27T20:06:19 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T20:06:37 < jpa-> Steffanx: so what have you been up to? 2016-10-27T20:06:55 < Steffanx> work. 2016-10-27T20:07:13 < jpa-> what is work? 2016-10-27T20:07:36 < Steffanx> the thing i do to get money? 2016-10-27T20:07:41 < jpa-> cool 2016-10-27T20:07:47 < jpa-> are you rich yet? 2016-10-27T20:08:12 < Steffanx> No. Sadly not. 2016-10-27T20:09:16 < Rob235> Can I be rich? 2016-10-27T20:09:21 < Steffanx> and after that i hardly do anything useful. 2016-10-27T20:09:45 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T20:10:08 < jpa-> what do you do for work? 2016-10-27T20:11:24 < Steffanx> How do they call it nowadays? Embedded programming work? 2016-10-27T20:11:33 < jpa-> hey, that sounds familiar! 2016-10-27T20:12:39 < Steffanx> Or as any of my family members would say: does something with computers. 2016-10-27T20:13:03 < jpa-> ah, the guy who will fix my flash player 2016-10-27T20:14:39 < Steffanx> Anyway, its a nice job with quite some variating project. 2016-10-27T20:16:20 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T20:16:39 * jpa- upgrades upgrdman 2016-10-27T20:16:50 < upgrdman> ok 2016-10-27T20:17:40 < Rob235> can I have a job like that? 2016-10-27T20:17:41 < Steffanx> upgrdman doesnt want to be upgraded. 2016-10-27T20:17:46 < Steffanx> Yes you can Rob235. 2016-10-27T20:17:51 < Rob235> I don't have a degree :( 2016-10-27T20:18:03 < jpa-> skills is enough 2016-10-27T20:18:04 < upgrdman> well i dont mind being upgraded, but it needs to be worthwhile 2016-10-27T20:18:12 < jpa-> they'll just pay you half as much as they pay Steffanx 2016-10-27T20:18:23 < Rob235> I'm ok with that 2016-10-27T20:18:24 < Steffanx> that would be very terrible. 2016-10-27T20:18:25 < Rob235> money is money 2016-10-27T20:18:31 < Rob235> oh maybe not :P 2016-10-27T20:18:35 < Steffanx> :P 2016-10-27T20:18:52 < Rob235> how can you do something like that and not get paid well? 2016-10-27T20:19:02 < Steffanx> I asked the ebay guy about why he still sells the stuff btw Rob235 :) 2016-10-27T20:19:10 < Rob235> answer yet? 2016-10-27T20:19:16 < Steffanx> nope 2016-10-27T20:20:26 < jpa-> because in europe nowadays it seems there is a huge shortage of coders.. but only if you work for peanuts 2016-10-27T20:21:08 < Steffanx> sounds about right. 2016-10-27T20:21:43 < jpa-> but i negotiated 10% salary raise last month! now i get more peanuts 2016-10-27T20:22:09 < jpa-> too bad the only nuts i really like are pistachios.. 2016-10-27T20:22:14 < Rob235> is it possible to make money on a freelancing website if you dont mind making a bit less than you should get? or is everything so underbid by india/pakistan that the time required makes it like $5 an hour 2016-10-27T20:22:23 < Rob235> nice jpa 2016-10-27T20:22:48 < jpa-> main problem with freelancing websites is probably that most of the buyers are clueless 2016-10-27T20:22:58 < Rob235> in what way 2016-10-27T20:23:00 < jpa-> and working with clueless clients is usually annoying 2016-10-27T20:23:20 < jpa-> don't know what they want and don't know how anything works 2016-10-27T20:23:29 < Rob235> hmm 2016-10-27T20:23:41 < jpa-> but if you have the right attitude it could perhaps work 2016-10-27T20:23:47 < Steffanx> Better than clients that want everything for nothing. ( or peanuts) 2016-10-27T20:25:17 < Rob235> my anxiety makes real world life difficult, so even if I was making less than I should, if I could make a freelancing gig work then that would be helpful. I don't need lots of money, just enough to get by for now 2016-10-27T20:26:03 < Rob235> until I get things dealt with, get my degree, get my shit together and find a real job 2016-10-27T20:26:31 < Rob235> I'd have to spend a lot of time learning first though... 2016-10-27T20:28:53 < Steffanx> Enough time for that :) 2016-10-27T20:30:43 < jpa-> you could get a simpler job that doesn't require as much learning 2016-10-27T20:31:29 < Rob235> I mean, I'm 3 classes short of my computer science degree, I could get a loan and finish that up, but I dunno 2016-10-27T20:31:40 < jpa-> there are plenty of jobs with semi ok pay that basically just need one to be able to use computers better than average dude 2016-10-27T20:32:07 < Rob235> any suggestions? 2016-10-27T20:32:15 < Rob235> that don't require a lot of human interaction 2016-10-27T20:32:52 < Steffanx> https://www.mturk.com/mturk/welcome? :P 2016-10-27T20:33:27 < Rob235> I'm talking real jobs now, not online 2016-10-27T20:34:40 < Rob235> I gotta look around I guess 2016-10-27T20:34:43 -!- errebino [~rbino@rbino.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 2016-10-27T20:36:24 -!- rbino [~rbino@rbino.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T20:39:09 < jpa-> Rob235: look at local job listings for anything computer related at a small company - chances are there are a lot more you can do there once you get in 2016-10-27T20:39:51 < jpa-> in bigger companies if you get hired for data entry, that's all you are going to do.. but in smaller ones you can show your skills 2016-10-27T20:40:17 < Rob235> good idea 2016-10-27T20:40:30 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-27T20:42:00 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-27T20:47:52 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T20:56:56 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-27T21:07:38 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T21:14:30 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-27T21:16:11 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T21:21:06 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ac3bc.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T21:26:52 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.232] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T21:38:48 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T21:45:57 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-27T21:55:26 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T21:58:44 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T22:13:23 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-27T22:20:22 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-27T22:30:42 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-27T22:30:49 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T22:40:52 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.142.231] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-27T22:47:26 < TheSeven> hm, my f205 processor is randomly getting stuck 2016-10-27T22:47:37 < TheSeven> wondering if that's a HW or SW problem 2016-10-27T22:47:58 < LeelooMinai> TheSeven: That's what debuggers are for... 2016-10-27T22:48:19 < TheSeven> it randomly locks up, then if I halt it in the debugger it's in some reasonable code path, and if I continue it, it continues running just fine, until it gets stuck again 2016-10-27T22:49:07 < TheSeven> happens around once a second 2016-10-27T22:49:55 < TheSeven> and it seems to happen most often if I access SPI a lot 2016-10-27T22:52:09 < TheSeven> the location in the code seems to be just random 2016-10-27T22:53:44 < LeelooMinai> TheSeven: What is the reasonable code path and how "stuck" is manifested? 2016-10-27T22:54:32 < LeelooMinai> "O, nm, there was an old chewing gum under the board" 2016-10-27T22:56:06 < TheSeven> this is running a main loop which is sending radio packets 2016-10-27T22:56:20 < TheSeven> it sends a couple thousand and then just stops, until I pause and resume in the debugger 2016-10-27T22:56:58 < TheSeven> if I pause it, it's usually in some loop waiting for some SPI transfer to finish or something like that, but not always the same 2016-10-27T22:57:12 < TheSeven> I even caught it in the middle of setting the chip select pin 2016-10-27T22:57:43 < TheSeven> i.e. seems to be distributed roughly as I'd expect if it just hits at a random time 2016-10-27T22:57:48 < LeelooMinai> Well, then it seems it's not really stuck. 2016-10-27T22:58:07 < LeelooMinai> It just does not do what you want after a while:) 2016-10-27T22:58:17 < TheSeven> sometimes it runs for 5 seconds, sometimes for half a second 2016-10-27T22:58:32 < TheSeven> pausing and resuming always makes it continue for another few seconds before it happens again 2016-10-27T22:59:16 < LeelooMinai> Ok, but it probably runs fine, you just need to investigate why communication stops - so debugger + LA + investigation = fun 2016-10-27T22:59:23 < TheSeven> hm, nope 2016-10-27T22:59:34 < TheSeven> I just completely disconnected the debugger and then it runs fine 2016-10-27T22:59:40 < TheSeven> as if openocd is randomly halting it... 2016-10-27T23:00:20 < TheSeven> that would match the observed behavior quite well 2016-10-27T23:01:55 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I would ask on the openocd channel then - if it's causing this somehow, they should know 2016-10-27T23:02:08 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T23:06:08 < TheSeven> well, either openocd or gdb or eclipse - I'll have to look at the communication between those 2016-10-27T23:06:37 < TheSeven> damn, it just happened without openocd running... but then it only happens like once a minute, not once a second 2016-10-27T23:06:42 < TheSeven> WTF is going on there 2016-10-27T23:06:55 < TheSeven> this smells like hardware trouble of some kind 2016-10-27T23:07:07 < LeelooMinai> Do you have LA? 2016-10-27T23:07:17 < PaulFertser> OpenOCD does polling and that might affect timing on some cortex-m hardware level. 2016-10-27T23:07:57 < PaulFertser> But it doesn't halt the target, that's for sure. Polling has only a minimal impact on performance. 2016-10-27T23:09:00 < TheSeven> wow, something might be trolling me here 2016-10-27T23:09:04 < LeelooMinai> TheSeven: I would use LA and output some simple pulse at strategic place to narrow down where it hangs. 2016-10-27T23:09:36 < TheSeven> I just observed it happen without openocd, and before it stopped working completely there were bursts of packet loss 2016-10-27T23:10:11 < TheSeven> i.e. after a minute it degraded from perfectly working to completely gone within a second 2016-10-27T23:10:20 < TheSeven> might be an RF thing after all 2016-10-27T23:10:37 < TheSeven> but why on earth does running it in the debugger affect that 2016-10-27T23:11:42 < LeelooMinai> Do you use sleep modes, WFI, etc? 2016-10-27T23:11:52 < TheSeven> nope, not even IRQs 2016-10-27T23:12:25 < LeelooMinai> Maybe some grounding problems? 2016-10-27T23:12:38 < LeelooMinai> You disconnected the debugger phisically? 2016-10-27T23:12:42 < LeelooMinai> phy* 2016-10-27T23:12:51 < TheSeven> nope, just killed openocd 2016-10-27T23:13:27 < TheSeven> but I guess it might be affecting power consumption and supply voltage noise or something 2016-10-27T23:14:01 < LeelooMinai> Well, simple to test - disconnect it and see if it hangs after a while. 2016-10-27T23:15:37 < PaulFertser> TheSeven: I've seen openocd affecting timings slightly, it polls for core state constantly. 2016-10-27T23:16:10 < TheSeven> given that "degrading" behavior that I just spotted, I'm suspecting that this is more of a "noise from the SWD lines" thing 2016-10-27T23:22:49 < PaulFertser> Quite possible 2016-10-27T23:23:49 -!- inca [~inca@159.63.7.230] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-27T23:24:41 < kimmoli> seems i'm not only one who has debugging issues. maybe it is a bas day for openocd? 2016-10-27T23:25:24 < PaulFertser> kimmoli: what are your issues? 2016-10-27T23:26:10 < kimmoli> openocd didnt connect to board, my code didnt boot, then suddenly, ocd connected, and my code booted. now i cant even flash the device 2016-10-27T23:26:40 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-27T23:26:53 < PaulFertser> kimmoli: are you using "reset_config srst_only connect_assert_srst" (and srst is physically connected)? 2016-10-27T23:27:18 < kimmoli> some reset is connected 2016-10-27T23:27:54 < PaulFertser> kimmoli: so are you using these reset options? 2016-10-27T23:27:58 < kimmoli> problems is propably with stlink/usb-something. problem is that the board is ~10km away 2016-10-27T23:28:37 < kimmoli> i dont know what reset options i use.. just some default cfgs 2016-10-27T23:28:51 < PaulFertser> kimmoli: for reliable connection no matter what is flashed you must be using what I said. 2016-10-27T23:35:19 < kimmoli> maybe its time to restart tomorrow when back at office, now i get just "Flash algorithm write command FAILURE" .. 2016-10-27T23:36:19 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T23:36:21 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-27T23:40:36 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-19-73-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T23:47:05 < PaulFertser> kimmoli: please share -d3 output then 2016-10-27T23:52:43 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-27T23:55:46 < kakimir> fuck I think I got a virus 2016-10-27T23:56:40 < kakimir> youtube video had a fake ad and I clicked skip button 2016-10-27T23:56:49 < kakimir> I was redirected to some fake youtubes 2016-10-27T23:57:25 < kakimir> a hour later windows said my computer was unprotected 2016-10-27T23:58:15 < LeelooMinai> Time for reformat... 2016-10-27T23:58:36 < kakimir> hmm browser page settings have reseted 2016-10-27T23:58:45 < kakimir> maybe chrome update or not 2016-10-27T23:59:10 < kimmoli> PaulFertser: tried with -d3, and programming went ok --- Day changed Fri Oct 28 2016 2016-10-28T00:08:01 < kakimir> chrome release was 20th so plausable 2016-10-28T00:08:53 < kakimir> but is it even okay if it says now everything is ok and safe? 2016-10-28T00:09:11 < kakimir> if some reason antivirus was turned off by itself 2016-10-28T00:09:21 < kakimir> and then back on a moment later 2016-10-28T00:10:22 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Do you have another computer? 2016-10-28T00:10:25 < BrainDamage> from a theoretical pov, you can only confirm it's ok verifying from an external tool not running from the potentially infected environment 2016-10-28T00:11:12 < BrainDamage> from a practical pov, you'll be ok most of the times if you justturn onthe antivirus and assume the virus didn't outsmart it and tampered with it 2016-10-28T00:11:13 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: At this point I would close this one, move to another and prepare offline scan CD or USB flash thingy... 2016-10-28T00:12:25 < BrainDamage> if you're paranoid enough, even the bios/efi/hw firmwares could be infected, better burn everything 2016-10-28T00:12:38 < kakimir> better burn my computer now 2016-10-28T00:13:26 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-28T00:13:33 < LeelooMinai> Well, you can always hope for the best, but don't be surprised if one day you will get a container of dildos or somthing you presumably ordered from Amazon:p 2016-10-28T00:14:49 < kakimir> what can they do with my computer? 2016-10-28T00:15:16 < LeelooMinai> In theory anything? :) 2016-10-28T00:15:24 < kakimir> practically 2016-10-28T00:15:32 < LeelooMinai> ALmost anythng:p 2016-10-28T00:15:34 < BrainDamage> better lock the door to your bedroom 2016-10-28T00:15:43 < BrainDamage> you might wake up with a sore ass 2016-10-28T00:16:29 < Steffanx> Sexy. 2016-10-28T00:16:57 < BrainDamage> the modern virus isn't as much designed to make damage as to pursue some economical goal, eg it includes you in a botnet which is then rented 2016-10-28T00:17:19 < BrainDamage> or there's ransomware which encrypts your work and demand money to decrypt 2016-10-28T00:17:35 < LeelooMinai> Or a keylogger looking for credit card info:) 2016-10-28T00:17:40 < BrainDamage> or spy on you for credentials 2016-10-28T00:17:42 < BrainDamage> yes 2016-10-28T00:17:51 < BrainDamage> and thousand variations on the theme 2016-10-28T00:18:10 < kakimir> it's simple to do something like that 2016-10-28T00:19:59 < kakimir> can google session be used? 2016-10-28T00:20:13 < kakimir> only thing I keep logged in 2016-10-28T00:20:34 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: I don't think you took "amost anything" very seriously, did you... 2016-10-28T00:21:16 < BrainDamage> if the virus escalates privileges it can literally do anything you could, and even more 2016-10-28T00:21:16 < kakimir> I didn't 2016-10-28T00:21:42 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Well, I was serious - offline scan, or you gamble - your choice 2016-10-28T00:21:45 < BrainDamage> so if you can turn off an antivirus, or publish your gay sex videotape, so canit 2016-10-28T00:21:58 < kakimir> how can you even go to web 2016-10-28T00:22:11 < kakimir> without risking gay sex video leak 2016-10-28T00:22:15 < LeelooMinai> With another computer - use RPI or something:) 2016-10-28T00:22:28 < kakimir> hmm 2016-10-28T00:22:36 < BrainDamage> very secure systems actually airgap netwoks 2016-10-28T00:22:44 < BrainDamage> so you're either networked or not 2016-10-28T00:22:55 < kakimir> maybe I start running browser on lunix computer 2016-10-28T00:23:02 < BrainDamage> and then you try to limit information transfer between the 2, or you get stuxnet 2016-10-28T00:23:04 < kakimir> just access it from client 2016-10-28T00:23:23 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: I meant use RPI to create offline anti-virus USB drive. 2016-10-28T00:23:33 < kakimir> bootable? 2016-10-28T00:23:50 < BrainDamage> but for an average user, keeping your shit up to date already raise up the bar considerably 2016-10-28T00:23:55 < kakimir> which one? 2016-10-28T00:24:00 < LeelooMinai> Well, unless you want to take the drive off the PC... 2016-10-28T00:24:17 < kakimir> everything is up to date - java and flash removed/disabled 2016-10-28T00:24:19 < LeelooMinai> That would be the safest method. 2016-10-28T00:25:20 < BrainDamage> also adblocking, because the main vector of infection nowdays is exploiting web bugs and renting space in ads becuse of no quality control and large access count without having to socially engineer yourself into popularity 2016-10-28T00:25:34 < kakimir> adblocked yes also noscripting 2016-10-28T00:25:49 < kakimir> those are uneffecient nowdays 2016-10-28T00:25:54 < kakimir> partially 2016-10-28T00:26:17 < BrainDamage> then you're reasonbly safe from most threats, you're not 100% safe, but it's an acceptable compromise for many 2016-10-28T00:27:25 < BrainDamage> ( ps, you can never be 100% safe and difficulty escalates exponetially with threat model expansion ) 2016-10-28T00:27:58 < kakimir> maybe I build a telnet client from nxp lpc chip and small lcd 2016-10-28T00:28:00 < BrainDamage> it very quickly ends up in 'tism 2016-10-28T00:28:40 < kakimir> I have many times thought I would need such device that formats usb sticks and sd cards without computer 2016-10-28T00:29:22 < kakimir> stick it in and press button to annihilate all the cyber shit 2016-10-28T00:29:42 < BrainDamage> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threat_model if you're curious, doint it properly actually maye will satisfy your weird compulsions 2016-10-28T00:32:17 < kakimir> there can be perfectly flawless system 2016-10-28T00:33:18 < BrainDamage> no, the sheer complexity of modern systems and the simple fact that humans are integral part of it prevents it so 2016-10-28T00:33:44 < BrainDamage> google "rubber hose cryptographical attack" 2016-10-28T00:36:52 < kakimir> all the mess you can not afford to create properly will eventually cost the whole price 2016-10-28T00:38:26 < BrainDamage> well, good luck with your insecurity and self doubt, i've distracted myself enough so you'll have to find somone else to validate your fears 2016-10-28T00:40:15 < kakimir> thanks dr. BrainDamage 2016-10-28T00:42:17 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, so I am testing LPTR1 and was just surpised that for a clock period n if I load the preload ARR register with 1 I get 2*x cycle... 2016-10-28T00:42:48 < LeelooMinai> And to get x I need to use 0 there. 2016-10-28T00:43:31 < LeelooMinai> So not sure what's going on. I was imagining that when I start the timer, it starts from 0, next cycle it reaches 1 and ARR is matched and I get interrupt:/ 2016-10-28T00:44:38 < LeelooMinai> Obviously there's and extra step there I did not account for. 2016-10-28T00:44:56 < LeelooMinai> But cannot dig it out from the docs. 2016-10-28T00:46:17 < LeelooMinai> Maybe there's extra cycle after the match? 2016-10-28T00:47:56 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T00:58:20 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-28T01:02:52 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-28T01:10:48 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-28T01:14:04 < upgrdman> are there like "female" pogo pins for testing vertical connectors? 2016-10-28T01:15:23 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 2016-10-28T01:16:09 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined 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http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-pieces-P125-A-90-Pin-OD-2-5mm-Cup-Tip-Spring-PCB-Test-Probes-Pogo-Pins-/181616315399 2016-10-28T01:24:54 < upgrdman> concave. fuck why didnt i think of trying that word 2016-10-28T01:26:27 < kakimir> because small things 2016-10-28T01:26:28 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has quit [Excess Flood] 2016-10-28T01:26:36 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T01:26:53 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 2016-10-28T01:26:56 -!- fenug_ [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T01:28:40 -!- CheBuzz [~CheBuzz@unaffiliated/chebuzz] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T01:32:14 -!- fenug_ is now known as fenugrec 2016-10-28T01:47:18 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-28T01:56:49 < zyp> karlp, so, are you voting pirate party? 2016-10-28T02:01:42 < KreAture_> hoy 2016-10-28T02:01:51 < KreAture_> Got my tps62100 boards working :) 2016-10-28T02:02:00 < KreAture_> Gonna power stm's from solar :) 2016-10-28T02:03:03 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-28T02:11:21 < KreAture_> May have an issue with backpowering though when charging battery from the design 2016-10-28T02:12:16 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/projects/solar/tps61200_v0.1_sch.png 2016-10-28T02:12:23 < KreAture_> approx 2016-10-28T02:12:45 < KreAture_> the tps62100 has synchronous rectification 2016-10-28T02:13:16 < KreAture_> and apparantly if the input disappears it seems to have issues stopping the control loop if suspend is disabled 2016-10-28T02:15:16 < KreAture_> err tps61200 2016-10-28T02:16:43 < Thorn> opamp has no DC feedback? 2016-10-28T02:17:36 < zyp> used as comparator? 2016-10-28T02:18:15 < Thorn> no positive feedback either 2016-10-28T02:21:47 < Thorn> what is the purpose of R6...R8, C5, C5X 2016-10-28T02:22:13 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T02:25:25 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-129-255.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T02:26:16 < Laurenceb_> random question: anyone here used polyester resin and chopped strand mat fibreglass? 2016-10-28T02:26:26 < Laurenceb_> I'm trying to work out how much resin I need 2016-10-28T02:28:07 < upgrdman> i've done a little epoxy resin + fiberglass cloth 2016-10-28T02:28:45 < upgrdman> for that, volume of resin ~= 1/3 or 1/2 the volume of cloth 2016-10-28T02:29:04 < upgrdman> and that leave plenty extra resin for fuck ups, etc. 2016-10-28T02:29:10 < upgrdman> might need more for mat though 2016-10-28T02:29:23 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ac3bc.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-28T02:30:03 < Laurenceb_> I've just made some large parts using ~1.3L/m^2 of resin on 450gsm chopped strand 2016-10-28T02:30:16 < Laurenceb_> I'd say there was perhaps 60% too much resin 2016-10-28T02:30:36 < Laurenceb_> yet some sites I'm finding say you need 2L/m^2 on 450gsm 2016-10-28T02:30:39 < Laurenceb_> very confusing 2016-10-28T02:30:44 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-28T02:30:59 < upgrdman> are you vac bagging? 2016-10-28T02:31:04 < upgrdman> or just wet lay up 2016-10-28T02:31:21 < Laurenceb_> wet lay up and paddle roller tool 2016-10-28T02:31:43 < Laurenceb_> never used this before, it looks like with more skill you can reduce the amount of resin 2016-10-28T02:32:15 < upgrdman> well mat tends to be much thicker for a given level of strength 2016-10-28T02:32:40 < upgrdman> if you want light weird, use cloth, and carbon instead of glass. carbon is also much nicer to lay up too 2016-10-28T02:32:46 < upgrdman> *light weight 2016-10-28T02:32:58 < Laurenceb_> well I need cheap most of all 2016-10-28T02:33:04 < upgrdman> o ok 2016-10-28T02:33:07 < Laurenceb_> :D 2016-10-28T02:33:27 < Laurenceb_> I have about 3L of resin left and 3m^2 to lay 2016-10-28T02:33:33 < Laurenceb_> this could get tricky 2016-10-28T02:34:00 < Laurenceb_> some sites seem to say thats doable 2016-10-28T02:34:34 < Laurenceb_> and it looks feasible from what I've done so far 2016-10-28T02:34:41 < Laurenceb_> guess I could try to use the gelcoat to soak into any holes from the top 2016-10-28T02:34:42 < Laurenceb_> lol 2016-10-28T02:42:09 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-28T02:49:15 < KreAture_> Thorn no opamp works in integrator mode 2016-10-28T02:49:37 < KreAture_> Thorn a LOT of the Rs are alternatives for diff configs so I can use the boards in diff ways 2016-10-28T02:49:48 < KreAture_> all the Rx stuff and Cx stuff is that 2016-10-28T02:50:53 < KreAture_> Thorn the opamp and r6 etc are part of a MPPT type limiting network to avoid overloading solar cell 2016-10-28T02:51:18 < KreAture_> I've simplified a few parts there now though so the R2 and R8 is now same part 2016-10-28T02:51:40 < KreAture_> C5X is used instead of C5 as well as there was an error in appnote (which I suspected so I tested both) 2016-10-28T02:52:21 < KreAture_> Thorn right now I am trying to see if there is a nice solution to the issue of backpowering when solar cell looses sun while battery is still available on output 2016-10-28T02:53:15 < KreAture_> vaux which drives the mppt, switcher and such is still alive and connected to the higher of the voltages (vin, vout, L, vaux from internal mini booster) 2016-10-28T02:53:32 < KreAture_> This makes it not go into sleep mode if sleep is disabled 2016-10-28T02:53:42 < KreAture_> this means there is nothing to cut the flow from going backwards 2016-10-28T02:54:07 < KreAture_> with sleep enabled it will simply idle if current goes below 300mA 2016-10-28T02:54:18 < KreAture_> (reverse current is definately below 300mA out) 2016-10-28T02:54:37 < KreAture_> but with sleep enabled it is very ineffichient at higher loads 2016-10-28T02:54:45 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T02:55:01 < stvn> the professional device 2016-10-28T02:56:41 < stvn> good morning Steffanx 2016-10-28T03:01:45 < stvn> hi english man 2016-10-28T03:02:58 < stvn> pick and place y/n 2016-10-28T03:03:47 -!- funnel [~funnel@unaffiliated/espiral] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T03:06:02 < stvn> :D 2016-10-28T03:06:21 < stvn> yeah i was talking to business colleague about the same thing 2016-10-28T03:06:22 < LeelooMinai> Make sure the floor is strong enough for whatever you are heaving there... 2016-10-28T03:06:43 < stvn> 'you want people to haul their dual 18" bandpass active sub boxes up stairs now?' 2016-10-28T03:08:06 < KreAture_> hmm bedtime 2016-10-28T03:08:09 < KreAture_> defoo bedtime 2016-10-28T03:08:13 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2016-10-28T03:11:00 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-19-73-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-28T03:12:37 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.144.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-28T03:14:29 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2016-10-28T03:16:06 < Thorn> what about these hooks, are they usable https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Sindax-BNC-Male-Plug-Q9-to-Dual-Hook-Alligator-Clip-Test-Probe-Cable-Lead-1pcs/32649331995.html 2016-10-28T03:16:41 -!- akaWolf [~akaWolf@unaffiliated/akawolf] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T03:17:00 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Chinese cables are like a box of chocolate... 2016-10-28T03:18:08 < LeelooMinai> Personally I would buy more expensive ones - at least I would know that the clips will not oxidise, the wires are proper thickness, etc. 2016-10-28T03:35:35 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T03:46:16 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T03:55:04 < Thorn> aliexpress store names: FATMAN ZONE, Happy snack shop, Areyourshop 2016-10-28T03:55:04 < Laurenceb_> oh nwice 2016-10-28T03:55:12 < Laurenceb_> 8chan now has /brit/ 2016-10-28T03:55:25 < Laurenceb_> for all UKland happenings 2016-10-28T03:56:49 < Thorn> It is Rainbow!, Trump Tools 2016-10-28T03:57:05 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: https://media1.giphy.com/media/cYYx0b3DcYwOA/200_s.gif 2016-10-28T04:00:02 < Laurenceb_> rainbow 2016-10-28T04:00:03 < Laurenceb_> wut 2016-10-28T04:01:04 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/6cdc0676a249f889fdba608102fc51ba48092be22d4f8ce947d0901bd36cd126.webm 2016-10-28T04:01:59 < Laurenceb_> https://8ch.net/brit/res/26540.html 2016-10-28T04:02:02 < Laurenceb_> lulling hard 2016-10-28T04:04:12 < Laurenceb_> https://8ch.net/brit/res/26540.html#q26595 2016-10-28T04:05:12 < LeelooMinai> lol -- Look, I don't wannt argue... -- But.. -- LOOOOOK!!!!!!! 2016-10-28T04:09:02 < Laurenceb_> /pol/ack sighted https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/ccb586dc3df1834ce89fd59f318c4c08083ac87b71b23d6802fbfac2772e0374.png 2016-10-28T04:13:06 < stvn> britbong 2016-10-28T04:14:04 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: Don't you worry you will get crazy from reading all of those forums? 2016-10-28T04:14:08 < LeelooMinai> O, wait... 2016-10-28T04:14:15 < Laurenceb_> even I'm not mad enough to understand all the references 2016-10-28T04:14:22 < Laurenceb_> so I'm not that crazy.. yet 2016-10-28T04:22:08 < LeelooMinai> I am making a little spreasheet with behaviour of this timer for different values - I blame the docs:/ 2016-10-28T04:22:54 < LeelooMinai> I mean I record that with LA - how sad it is... 2016-10-28T04:31:57 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-28T04:42:46 < stvn> Laurenceb_, hows the chan 2016-10-28T04:49:06 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T04:56:56 < Laurenceb_> too sleepy 2016-10-28T04:56:59 * Laurenceb_ zzz 2016-10-28T04:57:02 < Laurenceb_> 3am 2016-10-28T05:01:17 < Thorn> can you insert these pins into a female pin header? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100Pcs-in-a-Pack-P100-E2-Dia-1-36mm-Length-33-3mm-180g-Spring-Test-Probe/32668324820.html 2016-10-28T05:01:49 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-129-255.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-28T05:01:59 < LeelooMinai> Not reliably imo 2016-10-28T05:01:59 < Thorn> or how to mount them without using 2 PCBs 2016-10-28T05:02:26 < dongs> Apple's new MacBook Pro kills off most of the ports you probably need 2016-10-28T05:02:27 < dongs> TechCrunch‎ - 5 hours ago 2016-10-28T05:02:29 < dongs> lol 2016-10-28T05:02:40 < dongs> time to eat breakfast and read 2016-10-28T05:03:03 < Thorn> dongs how to mount pogo pins 2016-10-28T05:03:08 < LeelooMinai> They have 1.36mm diameter, while the female header will be smaller than that. Since the end is conical, you may be able to make contact, but, you would need to test it in RL with specific header. 2016-10-28T05:03:19 < Thorn> I mean the back end 2016-10-28T05:03:43 < Thorn> http://jeelabs.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/DSC_2839.jpg 2016-10-28T05:04:59 < Thorn> http://thomasolson.com/PROJECTS/BLE/RFduino/RFDpogoDIP/RFDpogoDIP1.jpg 2016-10-28T05:05:15 < LeelooMinai> They claim: Needle tube diameter: 1.36mm - that seems like it would not fit imo, but let me some header. 2016-10-28T05:06:00 < Thorn> I probably also need shorter pins so they are more stable 2016-10-28T05:06:23 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: I have some pogo pins. Happens I have some that have make pin on the other end - maybe get those? 2016-10-28T05:06:41 < LeelooMinai> Imo that tube there would not fit - it's too wide 2016-10-28T05:06:44 < Thorn> male pin? 2016-10-28T05:07:02 < Thorn> think I've seem something like that 2016-10-28T05:07:03 < LeelooMinai> Yes, like a header pin - but it's on th pogo pin. 2016-10-28T05:10:06 < Thorn> maybe these tubes are designed to be put onto male pins? 2016-10-28T05:11:08 < LeelooMinai> I doubt it - I think they are designed to have wires attached to the back. 2016-10-28T05:12:05 < LeelooMinai> You want something similar: http://i.imgur.com/28qzyKP.png 2016-10-28T05:12:06 < dongs> oh 2016-10-28T05:13:36 < dongs> thorn, wehn i make jigs, i put all the pogopins in place (the body goes through hole but head sticks), then I mount all t he standoffs I will use, and place 2nd of same JIG pcb where the real board under test would go. this gives me a sandwich of 2 boards with pogopins loose inside . then i just bump one by one, align into the hole in pcb below and push + solder. 2016-10-28T05:14:29 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: The pins I have look like this: http://i.imgur.com/8eI7tlI.png 2016-10-28T05:14:56 < Thorn> aliexpress pins don't seem to have any stops on the body 2016-10-28T05:15:02 < dongs> they dont 2016-10-28T05:15:42 < dongs> but you dont need them? if you do the stuff how i said. 2016-10-28T05:15:45 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: As you can see they crimped a pin there - close to 1mm one 2016-10-28T05:16:22 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: They may have shorter ones too - the one I have is probably too long for your usage. 2016-10-28T05:16:52 < LeelooMinai> Unless you make a part that stiffens it close to the end. 2016-10-28T05:20:15 < Thorn> >receptacle https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1AFr1IpXXXXXaXVXXq6xXFXXXM/FREE-SHIPPING-100PCS-LOT-P100-T3-33-3MM-FUNCTION-TEST-PROBES-PIGO-PIN.jpg 2016-10-28T05:20:38 < stvn> sup AU - http://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/bus-catches-fire-after-serious-crash-in-brisbane/news-story/caaf664a9988c1f112ed34cd4a13da76 2016-10-28T05:21:08 < stvn> there was no crash - driver was set alight by passenger lol 2016-10-28T05:21:16 < dongs> were you teh passenger 2016-10-28T05:21:25 < stvn> not sayin anything 2016-10-28T05:21:40 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Right, I measured mine - it has 0.67mm square side, so diameter should fit into a female header. 2016-10-28T05:22:04 < stvn> that news.com.au maggot site is so incompetant i noticed extremely basic spelling errors on almost every article 2016-10-28T05:22:12 < LeelooMinai> The diagonal seems to be 0.9mm 2016-10-28T05:22:19 < LeelooMinai> So, same series 2016-10-28T05:29:21 < Thorn> seems like no PH-10 on ebay or aliexpress 2016-10-28T05:30:08 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-28T05:30:50 -!- PeterM [~PeterM@121-200-15-11.NBN.albury.aussiebb.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T05:31:17 < Thorn> ... but there is PH-10M3 2016-10-28T05:36:31 < dongs> uhhhhh apple is lying about 40gbps thunderdongs in new fagbook 2016-10-28T05:36:42 < dongs> http://ark.intel.com/products/91166/Intel-Core-i5-6267U-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_30-GHz their shitty mobile i5 only has 12 pcie lanes 2016-10-28T05:39:38 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T05:41:51 < aandrew> yeah, sucks 2016-10-28T05:42:08 < aandrew> no 2016-10-28T05:42:13 < aandrew> USB-A is a feature people want 2016-10-28T05:42:17 < aandrew> and HDMI 2016-10-28T05:42:31 < aandrew> and a fucking escape key 2016-10-28T05:43:13 < dongs> anyway even on i7 model pcie lanes dont add up 2016-10-28T05:43:17 < dongs> pcie 3.0 is what, 10gbps/lane? 2016-10-28T05:45:17 < Thorn> >This manufacturer has expired. Here is other Connector you might be interested. 2016-10-28T05:45:26 < Thorn> such is life in labor camps 2016-10-28T05:46:14 < Thorn> are these PH-10? http://www.franksworkshop.com.au/images/pogo_icp.jpg 2016-10-28T05:47:31 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:d4d3:40a3:faa8:a42a] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T05:50:19 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Those probes consist of two parts, you know that? 2016-10-28T05:50:40 < LeelooMinai> You can buy the back part separatelly from the frint one. 2016-10-28T05:50:46 < LeelooMinai> front* 2016-10-28T05:52:08 < LeelooMinai> P100-something will be the fron springy one and R100-something will be the back receptacle one. 2016-10-28T05:53:28 < LeelooMinai> So, imo that picture has maybe P100-E2 or 3 at the front and R100-xW at the back or something like that 2016-10-28T05:53:48 < Thorn> so, that 1.36mm tube is designed to mate with a receptacle. 2016-10-28T05:54:13 < LeelooMinai> Yes, you can mix and match those. 2016-10-28T05:54:50 < LeelooMinai> Ideally you would want P100-Ax abd sgirt R100-xW 2016-10-28T05:54:56 < LeelooMinai> sgirt=short 2016-10-28T05:55:02 < LeelooMinai> Ok, going to eat 2016-10-28T05:55:23 < Thorn> and these are also only the front parts https://www.adafruit.com/products/394 2016-10-28T05:55:53 < LeelooMinai> Yes, that's the P-part, but smaller, P75 - thats smaller series than x100 2016-10-28T05:55:56 < Thorn> they're not using receptacles at all as described but stick the front parts into sockets 2016-10-28T05:56:10 < dongs> thorn what hte fuck are you doing still wasting time? 2016-10-28T05:56:15 < dongs> i told you liek an hour ago what to do 2016-10-28T05:56:17 < dongs> wiht pogopins 2016-10-28T05:56:29 < LeelooMinai> Thorn, then maybe they are 75 ones - those should have close to 1mm diameter (?) 2016-10-28T05:56:59 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T05:57:04 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, P75 are 1.45 - kind of big still 2016-10-28T05:57:14 < Thorn> dongs: not all of them will fit through a 0.9mm hole 2016-10-28T05:57:26 < Thorn> also are you using the R parts or only the P parts? 2016-10-28T05:57:41 < dongs> wwwwwwwwwwww< Thorn> and these are also only the front parts https://www.adafruit.com/products/394 2016-10-28T05:57:46 < dongs> these are the parts im using 2016-10-28T05:57:51 < dongs> none of htem will fit into 0.9 hole. 2016-10-28T05:57:55 < dongs> my jig drills are 1.1mm 2016-10-28T05:58:00 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: There's also tiny P50 series - maybe that would work. 2016-10-28T05:59:10 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: P75 maybe work in practice - in theory they are a bit big, but you know... if dongs hammered those in... 2016-10-28T05:59:20 < Thorn> dongs: I'd like to be able to use perfboard or female connectors to hold these things 2016-10-28T05:59:34 < dongs> i see, sorry to hear that. 2016-10-28T05:59:38 < dongs> i suggest youi make a proper pcb 2016-10-28T06:00:31 < dongs> no way 2016-10-28T06:00:42 * LeelooMinai takes notes hastily 2016-10-28T06:00:47 < dongs> i thought you had to etch them without a fume hood 2016-10-28T06:00:51 < Thorn> money saved is money earned you know 2016-10-28T06:01:04 < dongs> only if your time is worthless 2016-10-28T06:01:05 < Thorn> maybe when I have projects with a real budget 2016-10-28T06:01:09 < dongs> you cant afford $10-$30 for a pcb? 2016-10-28T06:01:49 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Imo go with P75 if you want to use those headers - will work 2016-10-28T06:02:23 < LeelooMinai> Those female headers usually can enlarge a bit 2016-10-28T06:02:40 < LeelooMinai> Since there's just springy metal part inside. 2016-10-28T06:02:44 < Thorn> yeah I guess so, thanks 2016-10-28T06:03:33 < Thorn> dongs: my total parts+pcb budget is $175 for 50 boards 2016-10-28T06:04:06 < Thorn> if I have a real project, absolutely. I'll even show the test jig to customer so that I look more pro 2016-10-28T06:12:38 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.16.35] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T06:15:04 < upgrdman> https://media.giphy.com/media/CqnU0tqbDnGx2/giphy.gif 2016-10-28T06:15:13 < dongs> The last link has been flagged by IRC NANNY as "Possibly Unsuitable". Please find your parent(s) first and have them check the content before opening. [this channel protected by IrCNaNNY by SafeSoft v1.0b] 2016-10-28T06:17:24 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/9s6dJSU.gifv 2016-10-28T06:17:49 < Thorn> why none of Laurenceb's links trigger your parental control? 2016-10-28T06:21:48 < LeelooMinai> dongs, the IRC nany - lol... 2016-10-28T06:54:40 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-28T07:06:28 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T07:17:20 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-28T07:25:42 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-28T07:36:18 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T07:39:32 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-28T07:39:36 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-28T07:41:25 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-28T07:42:05 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T07:45:56 < stvn> An autistic arrangement 2016-10-28T07:46:04 * LeelooMinai still obsesses about the low power timer 2016-10-28T07:47:23 < LeelooMinai> I am at plan D already - I wonder what will happen if I will play with the clock mux after the wake up - switch from 32kHz to 48MHz for a little bit to reconfigure it:) 2016-10-28T07:47:40 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-28T07:47:57 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T07:49:03 < LeelooMinai> Sounds potentially disastrous - I wonder if that's allowed in practice. 2016-10-28T08:16:20 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T08:21:56 < dongs> > why the fuck are they getting rid of the escape key 2016-10-28T08:21:57 < dongs> > is it to reinforce the idea that there is no escape from the average mac user's homosexual urges 2016-10-28T08:22:20 < stvn> sure 2016-10-28T08:29:03 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-28T09:10:36 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1m3Uuy9PPk 2016-10-28T09:32:31 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T09:36:35 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ac3bc.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T09:37:28 < ReadErr> how will you use vim w/o esc ???? 2016-10-28T09:41:35 < dongs> nobody on apple trash used vim 2016-10-28T09:41:36 < dongs> who are you kidding 2016-10-28T09:41:45 < dongs> they single-button-clicked through CockEditor.App 2016-10-28T09:45:26 < dongs> macfags have been taking it up the ass from steve for years. the symphathy level here is pretty much zero. 2016-10-28T09:45:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T09:45:34 < dongs> they'll remove evrey port from next macbook and retards will still buy it 2016-10-28T09:46:06 < stvn> yeah 2016-10-28T09:46:24 < stvn> cause steve jobs removed all the buttons so they are like 'he would have done this' 2016-10-28T09:47:43 < LeelooMinai> Apple should make a computer with one button with dollar sign on it - when someonepresses it $1 goes to Apple acount:p 2016-10-28T09:47:55 < stvn> it's like drinking a vial of autism and aids 2016-10-28T09:48:43 < LeelooMinai> . <- this is my sympathy for Apple 2016-10-28T09:53:02 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-28T09:54:01 < stvn> to summarize - http://i.imgur.com/OOkZBy6.png 2016-10-28T09:55:04 < dongs> “Conflict free” means “DRC conflict free”, which is defined by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission rules to mean products that do not contain conflict minerals (tin, tantalum, tungsten and/or gold) that directly or indirectly finance or benefit armed groups in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) or adjoining countries. 2016-10-28T09:55:54 < stvn> the congo 2016-10-28T09:57:38 < dongs> i want to finance something there 2016-10-28T09:57:42 < dongs> wonder what the ROI is 2016-10-28T09:58:12 < stvn> dogshit 2016-10-28T09:58:26 < dongs> just niggers huh 2016-10-28T09:59:07 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-10-28T10:06:21 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T10:21:35 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T10:29:40 < jadew> oh... I'm too late for the apple trashing... 2016-10-28T10:32:24 < jadew> also, wth was that video? 2016-10-28T10:32:44 < jadew> the one stvn posted 2016-10-28T10:34:23 < jadew> it's from a movie? 2016-10-28T10:34:36 < jadew> wtf is Columbine? I'm confused 2016-10-28T10:35:17 < jadew> ah 2016-10-28T10:36:05 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T10:36:36 < jadew> an american tradition 2016-10-28T10:37:21 < jadew> was that the first time it happened? 2016-10-28T10:41:04 < jadew> I wonder what could be done to prevent this stuff 2016-10-28T10:41:16 < jadew> first of all, how can kids get so messed up? 2016-10-28T10:41:25 < jadew> "Their journals documented their plan for a major bombing to rival that of the Oklahoma City bombing. Their entries contained blurbs about ways to escape to Mexico, hijacking an aircraft at Denver International Airport and crashing it into a building in New York City (foreshadowing the September 11 attacks by two years), and details about the planned attack. The pair hoped that, after detonating their home-made explosives in the cafeteria at the busiest t 2016-10-28T10:42:49 < jadew> how does that help you if you're dead? 2016-10-28T10:42:54 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ac3bc.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-28T10:43:31 < jadew> yeah, they killed themselves 2016-10-28T10:43:41 < jadew> (reading the wiki page now) 2016-10-28T10:44:02 < jadew> I wonder if they even considered starting with that 2016-10-28T10:44:18 < LeelooMinai> They probably jsut wanted to die with style:) 2016-10-28T10:45:25 < jadew> dying while killing inocent kids is far from granting you any style 2016-10-28T10:45:53 < jadew> if anything, it makes the clear statement that you're a piece of trash 2016-10-28T10:46:21 < LeelooMinai> Well, it's pretty stylistic - not very positive, but still, that's what they wanted probably. 2016-10-28T10:47:32 < jadew> were their parents executed? 2016-10-28T10:47:59 < LeelooMinai> Yes, they killed them all - and the grandparents too:p 2016-10-28T10:48:10 < jadew> that's how these things should go! 2016-10-28T10:49:47 < jadew> sure they are 2016-10-28T10:50:17 < jadew> and if they think they're not, I'm sure they'd re-asses that assumption, if they knew they'd get put down if their offsprings failed 2016-10-28T10:50:54 < jadew> we've been over this before, parents are always to blame 2016-10-28T10:50:58 < jadew> it's their responsibility 2016-10-28T10:51:02 < dongs> nice autism in progress 2016-10-28T10:51:04 < jadew> school is shit? it's their fault 2016-10-28T10:51:07 < dongs> was any STM32 involved in this? 2016-10-28T10:51:22 < Thorn> https://books.google.com/books?id=tC_ZpAyGwiMC&redir_esc=y 2016-10-28T10:51:39 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-28T10:52:15 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T10:52:30 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Fail! Whre is 8-bit Atari there? 2016-10-28T10:53:47 < LeelooMinai> lol, there's "Dick Smith Super80 Computer" and no Atari 800... 2016-10-28T10:56:43 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-28T11:06:40 < stvn> the congo 2016-10-28T11:08:45 < dongs> stm32 based congo attacker 2016-10-28T11:16:19 < stvn> fuck 2016-10-28T11:20:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-28T11:35:06 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.217] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T11:38:36 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-102-248.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T11:41:42 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T11:46:36 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:d4d3:40a3:faa8:a42a] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-28T12:10:53 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.146.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-28T12:27:58 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-28T12:31:56 < Steffanx> Got your gps modules yet ohsix? 2016-10-28T12:32:08 < Steffanx> Or did you go for the refund? 2016-10-28T12:33:18 < Steffanx> Here the the guy acts like a real chinese ebay seller. Standarf replies, not answering question.. And i seem to be his friend 2016-10-28T12:35:58 < stvn> hi Steffanx 2016-10-28T12:36:00 < Steffanx> He does reply to me all the time. Within a day. 2016-10-28T12:37:21 < jadew> what did you guys get? 2016-10-28T12:37:53 < karlp> zyp: yar, pirates all the way 2016-10-28T12:38:05 < jadew> ohsix, now we know your password 2016-10-28T12:38:13 < jadew> a uuid 2016-10-28T12:38:52 < jadew> from china? 2016-10-28T12:40:24 < jadew> yeah, they're probably automatically listed from some db 2016-10-28T12:40:29 < jadew> and their script derped 2016-10-28T12:41:26 < jadew> on the link you gave him the price is in CAD 2016-10-28T12:41:35 < jadew> isn't $33 CAD about $1 USD? 2016-10-28T12:42:25 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-102-248.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-28T12:42:37 < jadew> nevertheless, you should have added that to the message 2016-10-28T12:42:53 < jadew> I see you still have it in stock, at $33 CAD, which is roughly $1 USD 2016-10-28T12:43:04 < jadew> please send item. 2016-10-28T12:44:42 < jadew> what's that? 2016-10-28T12:45:18 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.148.219] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T12:51:04 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-28T12:51:27 < stvn> ty 2016-10-28T12:55:41 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-102-248.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T12:55:53 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T13:30:26 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Quit: exit] 2016-10-28T13:32:23 < Steffanx> Stvn WHEEERE HAVE YOU BEEN? 2016-10-28T13:35:47 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-129-255.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T13:35:52 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T13:56:22 < stvn> Steffanx, on the jobs mate 2016-10-28T14:04:21 < Laurenceb_> http://thoughtcatalog.com/anne-gus/2014/06/7-tips-on-how-to-raise-a-boy-right-feminist-style/ 2016-10-28T14:05:46 < PeterM> man, the onion really are going to extremes these days 2016-10-28T14:06:32 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-28T14:11:02 < stvn> did Laurenceb_ like my video 2016-10-28T14:11:19 < Laurenceb_> wut vid? 2016-10-28T14:12:18 < stvn> noticed it to you 2016-10-28T14:12:44 < BrainDamage> since it's shitposting time, a possible stm32 project: https://i.imgur.com/1Y0Elul.png 2016-10-28T14:13:21 < Laurenceb_> lul who still buys mac 2016-10-28T14:18:25 < stvn> did you get that one Laurenceb_ 2016-10-28T14:18:36 < Laurenceb_> oh dear 2016-10-28T14:18:49 < stvn> yeah i couldn't bring myself to post it again 2016-10-28T14:19:19 < Laurenceb_> True an heroes ;_; 2016-10-28T14:19:25 < Laurenceb_> noice comments 2016-10-28T14:19:56 < stvn> the norway guy has top single player ye/ 2016-10-28T14:20:05 < jadew> what's the deal with the esc key? 2016-10-28T14:20:11 < jadew> new macs don't have it? 2016-10-28T14:20:52 < Laurenceb_> yup 2016-10-28T14:21:07 < BrainDamage> they removed the top key row, replaced with a touchscreen 2016-10-28T14:21:38 < jadew> heh 2016-10-28T14:22:14 < jadew> prepare for every other laptop manufacturer to fall in line 2016-10-28T14:22:41 < stvn> why even have a keyboard will be the next realisation 2016-10-28T14:22:55 < stvn> aids everywhere 2016-10-28T14:23:41 < jadew> it's so sad that hipster trash sells better than functionality 2016-10-28T14:23:45 < BrainDamage> old as balls, but relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA 2016-10-28T14:25:16 < Steffanx> Unacceptable stvn. 2016-10-28T14:25:19 < Laurenceb_> https://zippy.gfycat.com/EarnestPastelHyracotherium.webm 2016-10-28T14:26:09 < stvn> Steffanx, eh which one 2016-10-28T14:28:51 < Laurenceb_> https://sli.mg/a/6P5dBM 2016-10-28T14:29:26 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.148.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-28T14:31:16 < stvn> still trumping Laurenceb_ ? 2016-10-28T14:31:40 < Laurenceb_> it was only a joke /b/ro 2016-10-28T14:32:04 < stvn> :P 2016-10-28T14:32:48 < dongs> sup dongs 2016-10-28T14:32:56 < dongs> fucking amphenol 2016-10-28T14:33:01 < dongs> only they make microSD sockets with staggered pins 2016-10-28T14:33:40 < karlp> what's wrong with ampfh? 2016-10-28T14:33:45 < dongs> they also cant spell 2016-10-28T14:33:47 < stvn> neutrik 2016-10-28T14:33:53 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/P875Vnp.png 2016-10-28T14:34:11 < Laurenceb_> 3M microSD sockets have staggered pins too 2016-10-28T14:34:20 < dongs> do they? 2016-10-28T14:34:24 < Laurenceb_> heh looks like 3M footprint 2016-10-28T14:34:28 < Laurenceb_> they prob cloned it 2016-10-28T14:35:13 < dongs> urite 2016-10-28T14:35:27 < stvn> cloning is good, i farken hate 100 different footprints for 1 part 2016-10-28T14:38:08 < Laurenceb_> https://www.hearty.ai/ 2016-10-28T14:39:02 < dongs> what is this garbage 2016-10-28T14:39:20 < Laurenceb_> video heartrate extraction 2016-10-28T14:40:40 < BrainDamage> the future of targeted advertising 2016-10-28T14:45:41 < dongs> furry extraction 2016-10-28T14:46:07 < dongs> nucleo 144 is a 6 layer board 2016-10-28T14:46:12 < dongs> and ST still gives it away are like what, $15? 2016-10-28T14:48:18 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-28T14:56:46 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.148.219] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T15:01:54 < stvn> ~$33 in aussielands 2016-10-28T15:10:25 -!- a_morale_ [~quassel@178.62.70.160] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T15:15:15 -!- effractu1 [~Erik@195.140.242.50] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T15:15:46 < Laurenceb_> emdrive crew have built something 2016-10-28T15:15:48 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/akXGFGn.jpg 2016-10-28T15:15:56 < Laurenceb_> it only took about ten of them over a year 2016-10-28T15:16:08 < dongs> looks like a bunch of dongs 2016-10-28T15:17:35 < stvn> probably more than solar roadways 2016-10-28T15:17:53 < dongs> solar rageways c ouldnt even bake their shit properly 2016-10-28T15:18:03 < dongs> i heard each solar panel PCB has ATMEGA2560 in it 2016-10-28T15:18:41 < Laurenceb_> top kek 2016-10-28T15:18:44 < Laurenceb_> This drive is easy to make not work, but incredibly tough to make work. So many details have to be exactly right. 2016-10-28T15:18:45 < stvn> the things completely and utterly fucked 2016-10-28T15:18:47 < Laurenceb_> lolling hard 2016-10-28T15:18:56 < Laurenceb_> cool story bro 2016-10-28T15:19:03 < stvn> its embarrasing 2016-10-28T15:19:26 < Laurenceb_> even a tarmac road doesnt last too long 2016-10-28T15:19:39 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T15:19:40 < Laurenceb_> solar cells would last about 5 minutes 2016-10-28T15:19:45 < stvn> hah 2016-10-28T15:20:22 < Laurenceb_> even solar catseyes broke after a few weeks 2016-10-28T15:20:26 < stvn> i need to restart this irc client 2016-10-28T15:20:28 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: crap] 2016-10-28T15:20:45 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: c4017__, debris`, fest, a_morale, tecdroid, effractur 2016-10-28T15:20:54 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T15:21:04 < stvn> hope i didn't miss too much 2016-10-28T15:23:35 < dongs> dont worry. 2016-10-28T15:23:43 < dongs> o6 is 2 hours idle 2016-10-28T15:23:45 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40959.msg1603005#msg1603005 2016-10-28T15:24:22 < Laurenceb_> WHAT DO YOU MEAN ITS ALL BULLSHIT?! MUST BE POOR SKILLZ 2016-10-28T15:25:15 < stvn> ah the autisming is real 2016-10-28T15:25:52 < Laurenceb_> that forum is more autistic than 4chan 2016-10-28T15:26:01 < stvn> yeah no shit i couldn't read any more. 2016-10-28T15:27:04 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.148.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-28T15:29:18 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-28T15:29:28 < Laurenceb_> irl lolling hard 2016-10-28T15:29:30 < Laurenceb_> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40959.msg1603569#msg1603569 2016-10-28T15:30:20 < Laurenceb_> I want to know what drugs they are on 2016-10-28T15:30:41 < stvn> can't click the first link hurt my head to read 2016-10-28T15:30:53 < dongs> The last link has been flagged by IRC NANNY as "Possibly Unsuitable". Please find your parent(s) first and have them check the content before opening. [this channel protected by IrCNaNNY by SafeSoft v1.0b] 2016-10-28T15:30:59 < Laurenceb_> top kek 2016-10-28T15:31:12 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T15:34:53 < Laurenceb_> oh nice some 4chan trolls move in later in the thread, v good news 2016-10-28T15:35:53 -!- fest [~fest@188.226.203.53] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T15:36:12 -!- tecdroid [~icke@2a01:598:90a2:b020:d27e:35ff:fe97:9f87] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T15:38:04 < dongs> Schematic layout and PCB design $45.0 AUD 2016-10-28T15:38:05 < dongs> “this guys is a fucking cunt, he stole my money and didn't do the work. never ever use this fuckwit. he is a complete asshole, if you use him your gonna get ripped off. ” 2016-10-28T15:38:24 < dongs> the fuck did he expect for $45 AUD 2016-10-28T15:38:27 < dongs> thats liek $5 US right 2016-10-28T15:38:34 < dongs> i won't even double -click altium.exe for this 2016-10-28T15:39:14 < Laurenceb_> muh account https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40959.msg1603700#msg1603700 2016-10-28T15:40:59 -!- debris` [debris@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-ciecoruwvplylsci] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T15:41:43 < dongs> wat 2016-10-28T15:42:21 < Steffanx> That one stvn. 2016-10-28T15:42:44 < Laurenceb_> I'm gunna do some trollin 2016-10-28T15:45:07 < stvn> ill fix ya fucken cd player mate 2016-10-28T15:45:23 < dongs> stvn: https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Product-Design/Design-Product-11919095/ go 2016-10-28T15:45:43 < dongs> 10/28/2016 at 19:07 JST 2016-10-28T15:45:43 < dongs> Must be in Melbourne, Australia 2016-10-28T15:46:27 < stvn> lol at indians on it 2016-10-28T15:46:53 < Laurenceb_> lol @ "a Product" 2016-10-28T15:46:57 < Laurenceb_> how product formed 2016-10-28T15:47:13 < dongs> yeah its funny, even if they say some local requirement at beginning its still all bid by only pakis 2016-10-28T15:47:41 -!- tecdroid [~icke@2a01:598:90a2:b020:d27e:35ff:fe97:9f87] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-28T15:47:43 < stvn> im just gonna pocket it and send them the apple charger on my bench 2016-10-28T15:49:01 < Laurenceb_> why not your other desk products? http://i.imgur.com/EehLK.jpg 2016-10-28T15:51:04 < stvn> cool 2016-10-28T15:51:39 < dongs> i need line in pinout 2016-10-28T15:51:43 < dongs> for like3.5mm thing 2016-10-28T15:52:29 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/V3iuCfa.png 2016-10-28T15:52:33 < dongs> what goes where 2016-10-28T15:55:28 < dongs> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11570 WTF IS THIS 2016-10-28T15:56:19 < stvn> stereo+composite or mic or some gayshit 2016-10-28T15:56:24 < dongs> no 2016-10-28T15:56:27 < dongs> just line in 2016-10-28T15:57:09 < stvn> mmmmmmm 2016-10-28T15:57:16 < dongs> http://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/SPEC/650/K1007244650.pdf 2016-10-28T15:57:19 < dongs> PJ-327A 2016-10-28T15:57:26 < dongs> i donno any of this TRRS shit 2016-10-28T15:57:29 < dongs> i just know L, R, GND 2016-10-28T15:57:54 < stvn> which is TRS 2016-10-28T15:58:53 < Steffanx> I i dont do CD stvn 2016-10-28T15:59:09 < stvn> seems your jack has a NC contact to the T 2016-10-28T15:59:16 < stvn> and a NO contact to the S 2016-10-28T15:59:23 < karlp> you can get net nc/no on T/R shits 2016-10-28T15:59:32 < karlp> you can get _alll_ the variations 2016-10-28T15:59:43 < dongs> yeah but i already have these jacks 2016-10-28T15:59:44 < dongs> from other proj 2016-10-28T15:59:54 < dongs> and i just need to make htem work with standard audio line in cable 2016-10-28T15:59:59 < dongs> and hopefully not swap left/right 2016-10-28T16:00:11 < dongs> like the shit that would come out of laptop/desktop/phone 2016-10-28T16:00:29 < stvn> i think you shouldn't have any problemo 2016-10-28T16:00:35 < dongs> how so? 2016-10-28T16:00:39 < stvn> just stick it in 2016-10-28T16:00:41 < dongs> i currently have no idea where L, R or GND goes 2016-10-28T16:00:48 < stvn> google TRS stereo pinout 2016-10-28T16:01:17 < stvn> left is Tip right is Ring 2016-10-28T16:01:21 < dongs> https://robrobinette.com/images/Audio/TRS_Pinout.jpg 2016-10-28T16:01:22 < dongs> this? 2016-10-28T16:01:26 < dongs> ok 2016-10-28T16:01:35 < stvn> bing bing bing bing bing bing bing bing 2016-10-28T16:01:39 < dongs> then wat 2016-10-28T16:01:46 < stvn> do the dinosaur 2016-10-28T16:02:17 < stvn> you could use that NO contact to be pulled down to ground and enable the input when the jack is stuck in perhaps 2016-10-28T16:03:13 < dongs> but which numbers on my drawing shit are which 2016-10-28T16:03:32 < dongs> 3 = sleeve? 2016-10-28T16:03:40 < stvn> 5 tip 2 ring 2016-10-28T16:03:41 < dongs> < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/V3iuCfa.png 2016-10-28T16:03:44 < dongs> on this 2016-10-28T16:03:50 < stvn> up 2016-10-28T16:03:53 < stvn> yup 2016-10-28T16:04:09 < dongs> i better fucking edit that footprint and call them this 2016-10-28T16:04:18 < dongs> so i NEVER FORGET 2016-10-28T16:04:36 < stvn> don't tell anyone i told you 2016-10-28T16:05:12 < dongs> waht im gonna do is 2016-10-28T16:05:16 < dongs> add a new altidumb field 2016-10-28T16:05:23 < dongs> 'pinout info provided by crt @ irc' 2016-10-28T16:05:27 < dongs> so when I make the board and its fucked 2016-10-28T16:05:29 < dongs> i will come and hunt you down 2016-10-28T16:05:36 < stvn> rofl i got it backwards 2016-10-28T16:05:59 < stvn> 2 is tip, 5 is ring 2016-10-28T16:06:39 < stvn> fuck i'm useless sometimes hey 2016-10-28T16:10:46 < dongs> holy this there are like 6 TRRS connectio nstandards 2016-10-28T16:11:00 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/UXrzO5V.png 2016-10-28T16:11:19 < dongs> oh THATS how it works 2016-10-28T16:11:36 < stvn> i figured that'd make things clearer 2016-10-28T16:13:13 < dongs> i was thinking the connector goes in from the right side 2016-10-28T16:13:18 < dongs> but now it makes sense 2016-10-28T16:13:21 < dongs> image: saved 2016-10-28T16:17:02 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv23jlWXEAAsrqR.jpg 2016-10-28T16:17:06 < Laurenceb_> isis windozer 2016-10-28T16:17:15 < dongs> lul 2016-10-28T16:17:19 < dongs> pirated photoshop + acrobad 2016-10-28T16:17:26 < dongs> and that looks like media player classic home cinema icon 2016-10-28T16:18:58 < stvn> they don't even have steam 2016-10-28T16:19:50 < Laurenceb_> need some isis presentation dilberts 2016-10-28T16:20:18 < Laurenceb_> *someone interrupts meeting* *gets dropped out of the window* 2016-10-28T16:20:28 < stvn> lol 2016-10-28T16:22:13 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.16.35] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-28T16:25:30 < dongs> which one should I use to detect plugged in? pin 4? 2016-10-28T16:25:42 < dongs> it gets shorted to Sleeve when stuff is connected? 2016-10-28T16:27:13 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-129-255.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-28T16:29:49 < karlp> you can use either if you don't care about stereo vsmono plug detection 2016-10-28T16:30:20 < dongs> is that what its used for? 2016-10-28T16:30:47 < dongs> last time i used this thing for headphone output i used pin4 and it was pulled up high by default. so i geuss shorting when plugged in 2016-10-28T16:30:48 < karlp> yeah, with a mono jack, only one of the switches closes. 2016-10-28T16:31:07 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-28T16:31:11 < karlp> but it's seriously a "every option is available2 so you've got to poke it and see which one you're using. 2016-10-28T16:40:55 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T16:41:26 < dongs> btw karlp why did you need VBAT separated wiht diode ; pfet shit isnt tehre a internal switch that runs vbat off vcc when its present and only switches to vbat when theres no vcc? 2016-10-28T16:48:52 < karlp> internal switch where? 2016-10-28T17:08:47 -!- c4017__ [~c4017@d173-180-81-120.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T17:14:53 < dongs> between vcc and vbat 2016-10-28T17:14:54 < dongs> on any STM 2016-10-28T17:16:47 < dongs> for example http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/ef/92/76/6d/bb/c2/4f/f7/DM00037051.pdf/files/DM00037051.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00037051.pdf 2016-10-28T17:17:01 < dongs> page 77 or 78 or so 2016-10-28T17:17:06 < dongs> Figure 21. Power supply scheme 2016-10-28T17:17:13 < dongs> there's a 'power switch' at vbat pin 2016-10-28T17:17:22 < karlp> dongs: oh, that wasn't a stm32 project, what channel do you think this is? 2016-10-28T17:17:36 < dongs> oh ok 2016-10-28T17:17:39 < dongs> fuck i donno 2016-10-28T17:17:42 < karlp> the diode was to stop usb power directly going into battery anyway 2016-10-28T17:17:43 < dongs> i thought it was ##stm32-without-jews 2016-10-28T17:17:47 < karlp> pfet for the same thing 2016-10-28T17:18:03 < dongs> okok. i just thought it was vbat related or something. 2016-10-28T17:18:11 < karlp> I've got both methods down, with a jumper to choose between them, hopefully no other fuckups :) 2016-10-28T17:18:16 < dongs> cool 2016-10-28T17:18:42 < karlp> which reminds me aandrew, what SDK were you using with espressif stuff? NONOS? or freertos or something else? 2016-10-28T17:18:56 < karlp> and also, are you doing any fw updates of the esp code? and if so, which method? 2016-10-28T17:19:09 < karlp> boards sent off, time to get the OTA shitz working :) 2016-10-28T17:19:52 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.129.178] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T17:24:28 < Thorn> btw there are supposed to be some crazy discounts for pcbs at seeed, 2-3 days remaining 2016-10-28T17:25:06 < karlp> yeah, got 10% off, and there was free shipping for big enough orders or something. 2016-10-28T17:25:40 < Thorn> they say up to 50% 2016-10-28T17:26:41 < Thorn> I entered data for my prospective order and got something like $36 (same order is $60 at itead) 2016-10-28T17:27:56 < karlp> oh, they have a "try our new pcb service thing and get a big discount" 2016-10-28T17:28:12 < karlp> and yeah, I was using that, prices were decent. hadn't really looked at what else they were elsewere 2016-10-28T17:35:04 < dongs> been a while since i ordered anything off itead 2016-10-28T17:35:11 < dongs> but they hwere garbage for years 2016-10-28T17:35:25 -!- c10ud^ [~c10ud@emesene/dictator/c10ud] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-28T17:38:23 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T17:43:04 < Steffanx> We dont all need pro kawaiity for our pcbs.. 2016-10-28T17:46:50 < Thorn> demo of my project (someone's actually paying money for this) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8UjYSJnpDQ 2016-10-28T17:47:19 < dongs> is taht freecancer? 2016-10-28T17:48:08 < dongs> you have to click the button matching sound? 2016-10-28T17:48:08 < dongs> or wat 2016-10-28T17:48:08 < dongs> fuck that looks awesome 2016-10-28T17:48:55 < dongs> does it measure your reaction time or something? 2016-10-28T17:48:58 < dongs> WHAT DOES IT DO 2016-10-28T17:49:07 < Thorn> matching the led. the game will have illuminated buttons 2016-10-28T17:49:19 < dongs> right 2016-10-28T17:49:20 < Thorn> yes reaction time 2016-10-28T17:49:24 < dongs> ok cool 2016-10-28T17:49:35 < dongs> nice sfx 2016-10-28T17:50:04 < dongs> good stuff man 2016-10-28T17:50:07 < dongs> get paid for that shit. 2016-10-28T17:51:16 < Thorn> to me it looks awkwardly primitive tbh. on the other hand it's for 4-5 year olds if not younger 2016-10-28T17:52:07 < Thorn> I'm not even sure they can read the numbers at that age 2016-10-28T17:52:29 < dongs> make a bigger 7seg 2016-10-28T17:52:34 < kimmoli> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFuYpUqqYDE 2016-10-28T17:53:18 < Thorn> 7-segs will be twice as big 2016-10-28T17:57:38 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-28T18:01:43 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T18:04:17 < Thorn> kimmoli: forwarded your link lol 2016-10-28T18:12:50 < dongs> needs bigger red button 2016-10-28T18:19:02 < sync> Thorn: spider? huh 2016-10-28T18:23:14 < Thorn> apparently it has to do with the front panel art or something. I haven't seen it yet 2016-10-28T18:27:25 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/Lrxpzd5.png am i doing it right? 2016-10-28T18:27:30 < dongs> i guess only emeb would know 2016-10-28T18:27:40 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T18:31:40 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-28T18:32:33 < dongs> wow reference manual for this thing sucks dick 2016-10-28T18:32:40 < dongs> brief mention of AC;97 thing 2016-10-28T18:32:42 < dongs> and thats it 2016-10-28T18:32:43 < dongs> wtf 2016-10-28T18:37:50 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T19:18:59 < dongs> lol wat 2016-10-28T19:19:02 < dongs> just saw this popup on freecancer 2016-10-28T19:19:04 < dongs> http://www.atmel.com/products/microcontrollers/arm/sam-v-mcus.aspx#samv71 2016-10-28T19:19:10 < dongs> when did atmel release a 300mhz M7 2016-10-28T19:21:32 < dongs> huh not even listed on digikey 2016-10-28T19:21:57 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?keywords=SAMV71 only this comes up 2016-10-28T19:26:48 < Steffanx> SAM V sounds pretty new to me 2016-10-28T19:27:52 < Steffanx> And by looking at the datasheet revision dates, it is new. 2016-10-28T19:28:03 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T19:28:05 < Steffanx> 1st of june and 12th of october. 2016-10-28T19:29:40 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T19:34:13 < aandrew> hm, quick question everyone: http://imgur.com/a/FAkyN 2016-10-28T19:34:17 < aandrew> is there anything inherently wrong with that structure for taking a 3.3V CMOS signal and converting it to a(n inverted) 5.25V one? 2016-10-28T19:34:35 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T19:34:43 < dongs> isnt that your usual i2c level conversion circuit? 2016-10-28T19:35:09 < dongs> hm no slightly diff 2016-10-28T19:35:59 < Ultrasauce> if it's an OD output and it can tolerate 5.25V then sure 2016-10-28T19:37:31 < aandrew> hm? 2016-10-28T19:37:34 < aandrew> it's not OD anything 2016-10-28T19:37:54 < aandrew> I'm using a pair of mosfets to create an inverted higher voltage version of the input 2016-10-28T19:38:23 < aandrew> one of Q1A or Q1B will always be on, nothing is floating 2016-10-28T19:39:15 < Ultrasauce> will the pfet be completely off if the base is at 3.3V? 2016-10-28T19:39:42 < dongs> invent a gate driver 2016-10-28T19:39:45 < aandrew> Ultrasauce: that is a good question 2016-10-28T19:40:09 < zyp> I'm with Ultrasauce, for it to work reliably you'd have to drive it with a 5V tolerant OD output 2016-10-28T19:40:10 < Ultrasauce> the datasheet says no 2016-10-28T19:40:20 < aandrew> NTZD3155C VGSth for the P side is -0.45 to -1V, so no. you're right 2016-10-28T19:40:30 < zyp> from a push-pull output, R1 is completely useles 2016-10-28T19:40:36 -!- nikomo [~quassel@nikomo.eu] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2016-10-28T19:40:40 < aandrew> zyp: R1 is just there if nothing is connected 2016-10-28T19:40:49 < aandrew> but Ultrasauce identified the fatal floaw 2016-10-28T19:40:50 < aandrew> flaw 2016-10-28T19:41:04 < dongs> how many levels do you need to invert 2016-10-28T19:41:11 < zyp> so anyway, replace Q1B with a plain pullup, and your problem is solved 2016-10-28T19:41:13 < dongs> surely a sot23 inverter IC is cheaper than 2 fets 2016-10-28T19:41:23 < aandrew> I need something strong driving, the signals on this are 1.2us square waves 2016-10-28T19:41:36 -!- forrestv [forrestv@unaffiliated/forrestv] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-28T19:41:41 < dongs> power that with 5.whatever V and send it 3.3V logic level on input. 2016-10-28T19:41:41 < zyp> okay, then what dongs said 2016-10-28T19:41:41 < dongs> done 2016-10-28T19:41:42 -!- nikomo [~quassel@nikomo.eu] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T19:41:57 < aandrew> it's actually a single SC70-6 fet 2016-10-28T19:42:06 < dongs> you mean dual 2016-10-28T19:42:10 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-28T19:42:10 -!- ka6sox [ka6sox@nasadmin/ka6sox] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-28T19:42:12 < aandrew> duh yes 2016-10-28T19:42:13 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-28T19:42:21 < aandrew> Most level translators want both voltage rails around 2016-10-28T19:42:35 < zyp> not a level translator 2016-10-28T19:42:46 < zyp> just a single NOT gate 2016-10-28T19:42:55 < kimmoli> ABT? 2016-10-28T19:42:55 < dongs> NC7S14M5X or something 2016-10-28T19:43:00 < zyp> you get single gates in sot packages 2016-10-28T19:43:02 -!- Simon-- [~sim@2606:6a00:0:28:5604:a6ff:fe02:702b] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T19:43:04 < dongs> or whatever NC7Swhatever something thing 2016-10-28T19:43:20 < aandrew> the problem with those is that the Vih(min) is too high to accept a weak 3.3V Voh(max) 2016-10-28T19:43:26 < dongs> are you sure? 2016-10-28T19:43:31 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-28T19:43:40 < dongs> cuz 0.7VCC? 2016-10-28T19:43:47 < aandrew> yeah I have the 74LVC1G97 sheet open 2016-10-28T19:44:15 < dongs> how about the one i just linked then 2016-10-28T19:44:17 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/149/NC7S14-1011296.pdf 2016-10-28T19:44:30 < zyp> doesn't list for 5V 2016-10-28T19:44:57 < dongs> lists for 6.0 2016-10-28T19:45:00 < dongs> with min of 3V 2016-10-28T19:45:06 < dongs> or should it be looking at max? 2016-10-28T19:45:08 < zyp> and max of 4.2 2016-10-28T19:45:20 < zyp> yeah, max is what counts 2016-10-28T19:46:38 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/sn74lv1t04.pdf 2016-10-28T19:46:39 < dongs> there 2016-10-28T19:46:56 < dongs> 2.11 at 5.5V in 2016-10-28T19:47:13 -!- forrestv [forrestv@unaffiliated/forrestv] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T19:47:39 -!- ka6sox [ka6sox@nasadmin/ka6sox] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T19:47:48 < zyp> yeah, that'll work 2016-10-28T19:48:05 < aandrew> interesting part 2016-10-28T19:48:14 < Ultrasauce> hows the cost compare? 2016-10-28T19:48:37 < zyp> depends what you compare to, comparing against stuff that won't work is kinda pointless 2016-10-28T19:49:00 < aandrew> hm that might work 2016-10-28T19:49:47 < Ultrasauce> that is a good point 2016-10-28T19:53:55 < dongs> 1) post on TI forums asking for block diagram 2) implement it in discreets 3) ????? 4) profit! 2016-10-28T19:54:02 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.129.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-28T19:55:03 < Steffanx> pre-2) Get answer from pakistani 2016-10-28T19:55:10 < dongs> nah 2016-10-28T19:55:11 < Steffanx> *uselsss answer 2016-10-28T19:55:18 < dongs> TI forums are staffed by TI engineers 2016-10-28T19:55:25 < dongs> i've always got precise, direct answers to all teh stuff there. 2016-10-28T19:55:31 < dongs> pakis dont bother posting there. 2016-10-28T19:56:10 < Steffanx> hmm, im surprised. At the hardcore DSP part of the forums pakistani/indians tend to reply. And then get some TI engineer when they can't really help. 2016-10-28T19:56:21 < Steffanx> (also TI "employees") 2016-10-28T19:57:47 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T19:59:14 < karlp> I love how the switching characteristic diagram in that datasheet is straight out of excel 2016-10-28T19:59:32 < dongs> that inverter? 2016-10-28T19:59:40 < dongs> thats cuz excel is awesome 2016-10-28T20:11:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T20:14:53 -!- alan5 [~quassel@167.88.36.226] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2016-10-28T20:16:05 -!- alan5 [~quassel@167.88.36.226] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T20:35:16 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.242] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T20:39:39 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-28T20:45:13 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.128.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-28T20:49:54 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-28T21:27:26 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-28T21:47:31 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.152.215] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T22:19:15 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-28T22:58:26 -!- effractu1 is now known as effractur 2016-10-28T23:05:43 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T23:05:47 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-28T23:07:29 < LeelooMinai> Hmm 2016-10-28T23:09:48 < LeelooMinai> So, after my adventures/analysis of L4 and tickless mode and low power features, I come to the conclusion that they missed the oportunity with low power timers:/ 2016-10-28T23:10:56 < LeelooMinai> It's not really possible to use it as the RTOS tick timer in sensible way. 2016-10-28T23:12:06 < LeelooMinai> One problem is the latencies involved and the other that it's only 16bit, so you cannot really sleep for longer time this way. 2016-10-28T23:13:16 < LeelooMinai> Pretty sad, considering that it's the only timer (except RTC) that can run in STOP modes. 2016-10-28T23:13:52 < LeelooMinai> So, disapponted:/ 2016-10-28T23:15:25 < LeelooMinai> O, sorry, wrong channel. 2016-10-28T23:16:16 < LeelooMinai> Err, no, ok, that's the right one:p 2016-10-28T23:19:21 < LeelooMinai> Well, I will still try to use it, in semi-sensible way. Will need to increase the tick to 4x 1/32768Hz and accept that longer sleeps will generate inter-mediate interrupts. 2016-10-28T23:20:06 < Steffanx> Go RTC sleep when you need to sleep more than what the 16 bit timer can do :P 2016-10-28T23:21:42 < LeelooMinai> Right, I was looking at that today. It's a possibility, but pretty akward. 2016-10-28T23:21:54 < Steffanx> No, its perfect. 2016-10-28T23:22:01 < LeelooMinai> Too akward even for my OCD:) 2016-10-28T23:22:29 < LeelooMinai> lol, it's perfect only in theory, in reality it's an ugly hack:/ 2016-10-28T23:22:34 < Steffanx> no. 2016-10-28T23:23:19 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: You arguments are pretty, well, non-existent:) 2016-10-28T23:23:34 < Steffanx> They aren't better or worse then yours. 2016-10-28T23:24:07 < LeelooMinai> You just said "no" and that's all:/ 2016-10-28T23:24:37 < Steffanx> The only issue I remember i had when using the RTC, is that some other source could wake the target and you didnt know how long it actually slept. 2016-10-28T23:24:52 < Steffanx> I abused the RTC for similar stuff in the L1. 2016-10-28T23:24:59 < Steffanx> *(ab)used 2016-10-28T23:25:18 < LeelooMinai> For your code or you actually tried to incorporate it as a sys tick for some RTOS? 2016-10-28T23:25:19 < Steffanx> At least, not in a semi-accurate manner. 2016-10-28T23:26:44 < Steffanx> Not really a sys-tick. In the idle task it would set the RTC timeout to something close to the lowest "sleep"/wait time of the threads. 2016-10-28T23:28:28 < LeelooMinai> I wrote it is a hack for several reasons 1) it's not designed for OS-level timing control at all, so heavyweight and akward, 2) if you use it, you may not be able to use some of its intended features, 3) changing registers often involved some extra steps and latencies, compilicating the whole issue. 2016-10-28T23:29:31 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: Also, you just wrote that you (ab)used it, and few lines earlier you wrote "No, it's perfect" - so, lame imo:) 2016-10-28T23:29:54 < Steffanx> :P 2016-10-28T23:30:19 < LeelooMinai> I don't know why they could not at least make the LPTIM1 32 bit:/ 2016-10-28T23:30:25 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-28T23:30:36 < LeelooMinai> It's not like it would add some huge amount of silicon... 2016-10-28T23:30:43 < Steffanx> In the L1 it was kinda the only way to go. 2016-10-28T23:30:49 < upgrdman> probably because "low power" 2016-10-28T23:30:55 < upgrdman> silicon takes power 2016-10-28T23:31:02 < Steffanx> Trump too. 2016-10-28T23:31:13 < LeelooMinai> Trump is low energy:p 2016-10-28T23:31:27 < upgrdman> make silicon low power again 2016-10-28T23:32:46 < LeelooMinai> I read his latest idea was cuttong 70-8-% of regulations... lol. 2016-10-28T23:32:52 < LeelooMinai> cutting* 2016-10-28T23:33:10 < upgrdman> with histograms, what do you call the number of things that fit in a bin? "bin size" ? size might confuse with bin width 2016-10-28T23:33:34 < Steffanx> iirc the main issue with the RTC in the L1 was, that it didn't do sub-seconds, only seconds. Which was annoying to use the RTC as a wake up source together with other wake up sources. Because you couldn't figure out how long it actually slept. 2016-10-28T23:33:45 < Steffanx> Does the one in the l4 do subseconds? 2016-10-28T23:33:52 < LeelooMinai> 1/10th yes 2016-10-28T23:33:59 < Steffanx> only 1/10th -_ 2016-10-28T23:34:01 < Steffanx> _ 2016-10-28T23:34:03 < Steffanx> - 2016-10-28T23:34:16 < LeelooMinai> Wlel, it has also 16 bit binary counter there. 2016-10-28T23:34:29 < LeelooMinai> That can do I think clock/2 or something like this. 2016-10-28T23:34:35 < Steffanx> Yes, but for the L1 you couldn't read back that register iirc. 2016-10-28T23:35:22 < LeelooMinai> I don't see a limitation in L4 - it's just "r" register 2016-10-28T23:35:32 < LeelooMinai> Can also generate interrupts. 2016-10-28T23:35:53 < LeelooMinai> But it's not better than LPTR, so - whatever I guess. 2016-10-28T23:35:59 < Steffanx> Ok, so that solves most of hte issues :P 2016-10-28T23:36:45 < Steffanx> but i wish you a happy continuation of the eveing LeelooMinai. 2016-10-28T23:37:01 < Steffanx> *afternoon + evening 2016-10-28T23:37:50 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: TO change it you need to jump through hoops - there are protections in effect and magic procedures. 2016-10-28T23:38:17 < LeelooMinai> "This register can be written only when WUTWF is set to 1 in RTC_ISR. This register is write protected. The write access procedure is described in RTC register write protection on page 915." 2016-10-28T23:39:16 < LeelooMinai> This + you also need to control alarm = like trying to put a quare peg into round hole. 2016-10-28T23:45:55 < LeelooMinai> Note to oneself - next time if there are pins left on the micro, just break them out to a test pads, so you can use them as extra debug signals for LA... 2016-10-28T23:53:47 < LeelooMinai> Note 2: Make a pcb/jig with pogo pins matching each test pad - it will be worth it. --- Day changed Sat Oct 29 2016 2016-10-29T00:01:43 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.152.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-29T00:11:36 < kakimir> I need to stalk some chicks in youtubes 2016-10-29T00:11:36 < kakimir> - recommends? 2016-10-29T00:11:36 < kakimir> time to time something pops up on my front page 2016-10-29T00:12:46 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY-2JtG-HAY 2016-10-29T00:14:47 < kakimir> interesting 2016-10-29T00:16:18 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-29T00:18:19 < karlp> LeelooMinai: that's good advice, and something I've nromally tried to remember, and (again) completely overlooked this time. 2016-10-29T00:18:32 < karlp> watched some video on a guy talking about rapid prototyping, 2016-10-29T00:18:39 < karlp> big poitn was, "holes are free, put them everywhere" 2016-10-29T00:18:54 < karlp> let's you build the first part while you're still designing the rest of the structure 2016-10-29T00:23:58 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-75-69-135-239.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-29T00:29:32 -!- SpaceCoaster [~SpaceCoas@c-75-69-135-239.hsd1.nh.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T00:41:06 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKenR5LW1aa3pibEk/view?usp=sharing rc airplane winch takin shape 2016-10-29T00:41:31 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSjZwQ21UR0l3TlU/view?usp=sharing motor mount 2016-10-29T01:25:04 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-129-255.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T01:55:10 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-29T01:55:37 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T02:00:20 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-29T02:05:16 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T02:05:16 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-29T02:05:29 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ is now known as Mr_Sheesh 2016-10-29T02:15:52 < upgrdman> englishman, pick n place? 2016-10-29T02:25:21 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-29T02:43:24 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T02:44:11 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgtc.com/1Xh3EUE.jpg 2016-10-29T02:49:47 < upgrdman> englishman, nice. need to overclock it though. shit looks slower than most arduino powered toys 2016-10-29T02:55:07 < LeelooMinai> So, good news - I just took a bath. 2016-10-29T02:58:27 < LeelooMinai> And, I always listen to amphour when doing that, and found a good podcast. An interview with the owner of oshstencils. So if you route a board or something and want to listen while doing that, it's there: http://www.theamphour.com/320-an-interview-with-brent-of-oshstencils/ 2016-10-29T02:59:13 < LeelooMinai> What they use, how much it costs, lasers, more lasers, etc.:) 2016-10-29T02:59:37 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T02:59:54 * stvn wakes up englishman 2016-10-29T03:01:13 < stvn> Tales of ye olde macfag 2016-10-29T03:13:17 < stvn> pump 'em and dump 'em 2016-10-29T03:15:21 < upgrdman> So, good news - I just took a bath. 2016-10-29T03:15:47 < upgrdman> wtf 2016-10-29T03:15:57 < stvn> well 2016-10-29T03:18:02 < vampi-the-frog> episode 2016-10-29T03:18:10 < Laurenceb_> a first for any irc user 2016-10-29T03:18:15 < stvn> yah 2016-10-29T03:18:18 < vampi-the-frog> you mean episode 2016-10-29T03:18:38 < stvn> still laughing about my friend 13" retina MBP - $1000aud for a new LCD fitted 2016-10-29T03:19:19 < Laurenceb_> pwnd 2016-10-29T03:19:37 < stvn> think the going price for the part is ~$300 2016-10-29T03:19:49 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2016/10/26/an-open-source-96-msps-logic-analyzer-for-22/ 2016-10-29T03:19:52 < stvn> dunno if i should fit it 2016-10-29T03:19:53 < Laurenceb_> nice "GUI" 2016-10-29T03:20:28 < LeelooMinai> I always suscpected that Apple gear buyers take some masochistic pleasure from being exploited like that:) 2016-10-29T03:20:49 < LeelooMinai> Right, I saw that one - more sense would be just making it work with sigrok. 2016-10-29T03:21:46 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-29T03:22:21 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T03:22:36 < Laurenceb_> pixhawk mini looks nice 2016-10-29T03:22:53 < Laurenceb_> http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/new-3dr-autopilot-pixhawk-mini-2 2016-10-29T03:23:15 < stvn> ummmm - the MacBook Pro is the de facto standard laptop issued to all developers, all hackathon attendees, and arguably, anyone who does real work with a computer. 2016-10-29T03:23:31 < stvn> http://hackaday.com/2016/10/28/apple-sucks-now-heres-a-thinkpad-buyers-guide/ 2016-10-29T03:24:23 < stvn> i'll just get my macbook out and start up altium, later on some keil.... oh 2016-10-29T03:24:30 < stvn> -__- 2016-10-29T03:25:11 < LeelooMinai> Apple is good at brainwashing people. 2016-10-29T03:26:23 < LeelooMinai> Making them think that they need to pay 3x the price to get slightly better hardware and questionable ecosystem. 2016-10-29T03:26:37 < LeelooMinai> Instead of using the difference in better way. 2016-10-29T03:26:40 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-29T03:27:49 < Laurenceb_> still shitty invensense sensors 2016-10-29T03:37:01 < Laurenceb_> http://www.seagulluav.com/shop/ interesting 2016-10-29T03:39:34 < LeelooMinai> Got LPTR working for tickless mode finally: http://i.imgur.com/sTAd48s.png 2016-10-29T03:40:41 < LeelooMinai> Looks like 0.6mA or so there, but, well, at this level I would need something better than this $40 board probably to know for sure. 2016-10-29T03:40:47 < Laurenceb_> what is LPTR? 2016-10-29T03:40:49 < LeelooMinai> I don't know, it surely is STOP mode though. 2016-10-29T03:41:15 < LeelooMinai> Low Power Timer - it's a special timer that can run even when the main clock is off. 2016-10-29T03:41:32 < LeelooMinai> From LSI or LSE in STOP mode. 2016-10-29T03:41:35 < Laurenceb_> oh 2016-10-29T03:41:41 < Laurenceb_> havent used that 2016-10-29T03:41:49 < LeelooMinai> There's also low power UART on L4 2016-10-29T03:42:27 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-29T03:42:37 < LeelooMinai> L4 is a sweet micro overall imo:) 2016-10-29T03:57:08 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T04:04:49 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T04:09:46 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-129-255.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-29T04:25:31 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/BetterUnselfishBelugawhale 2016-10-29T04:37:05 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-29T04:48:37 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T04:54:34 < ReadErr> the l0de radio hour is now online! https://youtu.be/Fp9peR71zh8 tonight's episode: #LEAKYWEINER call in live at 415-349-5666 2016-10-29T04:54:41 < ReadErr> gon be EPIC boys and gals 2016-10-29T04:59:06 < stvn> spammin and trumpin 2016-10-29T05:31:29 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-29T05:37:23 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-29T05:42:22 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T05:46:13 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-29T06:01:25 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-193-27-124.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T06:35:17 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-193-27-124.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-29T06:56:13 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T06:57:11 < stvn> cfgvhbjnk 2016-10-29T07:02:12 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-29T07:04:34 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T07:10:36 < dongs> well fuck 2016-10-29T07:10:41 < dongs> molex has those staggered microSD pins too http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/sd/473521001_sd.pdf 2016-10-29T07:10:58 < dongs> and some extra bullshit card detect pin in teh corner 2016-10-29T07:11:12 < dongs> because 2016-10-29T07:11:49 < dongs> exactly 2016-10-29T07:12:28 < dongs> i dont evne use that kind of SD card sockets. theyt're retarded 2016-10-29T07:12:30 < stvn> yeah just let it all out 2016-10-29T07:14:09 < stvn> i spent the afternoon looking for castors for my shelves 2016-10-29T07:26:34 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-193-27-124.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T07:29:04 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-29T07:34:34 < upgrdman> dongs, why staggered? to time gnd/vdd/signals? 2016-10-29T07:34:52 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T07:36:35 < upgrdman> ohsix, neat i guess 2016-10-29T07:36:44 < upgrdman> lowpoly doesnt really get me stiff 2016-10-29T07:37:44 < upgrdman> o 2016-10-29T07:37:51 < upgrdman> ya lots of vids on youtube and torrents too 2016-10-29T07:38:10 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-29T07:38:14 < upgrdman> i torrented like 10GB of blender vid tuts a year aho. never got around to watching more than a few minutes tho 2016-10-29T07:38:15 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-29T07:38:31 < upgrdman> torrent search for "blender"... done. 2016-10-29T07:38:50 < upgrdman> i used KAT 2016-10-29T07:38:59 < upgrdman> but i guess you could find them on TPB or wherever 2016-10-29T07:40:37 < upgrdman> hmm. need to plan out some chart autoscaling algorithms. now that i've ported ~all of my TelemetryViewer program to OpenGL, shit gets annoying when it perfectly autoscaled and jumps around at 4k60 2016-10-29T07:41:43 < Thorn> this is where you look for 3d torrents https://www.cgpeers.com/ 2016-10-29T07:42:42 < upgrdman> ohsix, i can do affine transforms, and i use them all the time 2016-10-29T07:42:59 < upgrdman> but i just need to think out the logic for some how i want smooth autoscaling "jumps" 2016-10-29T07:43:11 < upgrdman> prolly sine to ease in and out 2016-10-29T07:43:33 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T07:46:24 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-29T07:46:35 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T08:10:57 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-193-27-124.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-29T08:11:54 < upgrdman> ohsix, this is why i need to add smooth autoscaling. this histogram looks soo fucked up, lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKcYQauCdcA 2016-10-29T08:15:54 < stvn> who the fuck is ohsix 2016-10-29T08:16:15 < upgrdman> ? 2016-10-29T08:17:02 < stvn> : ] 2016-10-29T08:22:37 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-193-27-124.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T08:23:30 -!- daey_ [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T08:26:42 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-29T08:26:46 -!- daey_ is now known as daey 2016-10-29T08:27:33 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-29T08:27:47 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T08:46:38 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-193-27-124.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-29T09:27:34 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T09:30:02 < dongs> englishman: as i thought 2016-10-29T09:30:07 < dongs> ok so they're using 12port pch 2016-10-29T09:30:15 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-29T09:30:25 < dongs> anyway, it doesnt matter cuz DMI to CPU is onhly 8gb*4 2016-10-29T09:30:47 < dongs> and PCH has 12 lanes, 2x4 and 4x1 2016-10-29T09:43:07 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T09:45:22 -!- massi_ [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T10:06:07 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-29T10:09:04 < kakimir> englishman: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKMzc0enkwbG9mazg/view?usp=drivesdk 2016-10-29T10:14:48 < stvn> gun 2016-10-29T10:15:04 < stvn> you shootin darkies raidin your farm? 2016-10-29T10:16:39 < kakimir> not yet in 2016 2016-10-29T10:18:27 < stvn> still bright and white in your homeland? 2016-10-29T10:19:06 < kakimir> somewhat 2016-10-29T10:20:00 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/28/commaai_car_kit_cancelled/ ahahahah fucking george scamz fucking finally 2016-10-29T10:26:18 < LeelooMinai> Not sure what this is exactly about, but seems some new presentation/idea of Musk (solar roofs): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mUJnKI3ipI 2016-10-29T10:30:26 < kakimir> solar musk 2016-10-29T10:34:27 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-29T10:36:57 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T10:38:10 < kakimir> guise what kind of facility releases radioactive iodine to athmosphere without releasing any pther isotopes? 2016-10-29T10:38:20 < dongs> uranus 2016-10-29T10:38:25 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.154.232] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T10:39:12 < kakimir> leak in reactor or nyclear event have a set of fingerprint isotopes 2016-10-29T10:57:01 < dongs> sounds like extremely autistic kind of info to look for 2016-10-29T10:59:38 < kakimir> there was measured levels in funland and estonia 2016-10-29T11:00:07 < dongs> did they measure it with this device? https://67.media.tumblr.com/9657e2ae3492c943423dbf2261e2eb41/tumblr_n9esvuNJoA1tyuv5ko1_500.gif 2016-10-29T11:00:28 < kakimir> :d 2016-10-29T11:03:41 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-29T11:04:08 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-29T11:05:28 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-29T11:09:45 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T11:10:33 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T11:21:39 < Steffanx> Ohsix. The guy claims to have sent tsh 2016-10-29T11:21:51 < Steffanx> The modules 2016-10-29T11:22:00 < Steffanx> There too? 2016-10-29T11:22:15 < Steffanx> Hah ok. 2016-10-29T11:22:26 < Steffanx> Yes. 2016-10-29T11:22:38 < Steffanx> But its probably a lie. 2016-10-29T11:22:38 < dongs> autistically pleasing 2016-10-29T11:23:11 < Steffanx> Fuck with your obsession dongs. 2016-10-29T11:23:16 < dongs> ^_- 2016-10-29T11:23:19 < Steffanx> +off 2016-10-29T11:24:41 < Steffanx> First I was friendly. Then i rejected the refund and suddenly it was all ok -_- 2016-10-29T11:25:16 < Steffanx> I will send my modules to dongs. Because he needs them more then i 2016-10-29T11:25:38 < Steffanx> Than. 2016-10-29T11:26:50 < Steffanx> Yes me too. 2016-10-29T11:28:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.142.231] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T11:31:11 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.154.232] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-29T11:35:25 -!- fergusnoble [~fergusnob@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T11:35:41 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-29T11:40:58 -!- esden [~esden@repl.esden.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T11:42:28 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-29T11:42:32 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-29T11:51:42 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T11:52:54 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T11:55:15 < Thorn> >People grow up speaking Esperanto when their parents meet at an Esperanto convention and don't speak each other's native language. 2016-10-29T11:55:19 < stvn> wb brother Steffan 2016-10-29T11:55:38 < Thorn> at least it wasn't PonyCon I guess 2016-10-29T11:56:24 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-29T11:57:40 < Steffanx> Hello sir stvn 2016-10-29T11:58:27 < stvn> what's new? 2016-10-29T11:58:41 < Steffanx> Clouds in the sky. 2016-10-29T12:08:41 < stvn> been around a bit no? 2016-10-29T12:12:02 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.85.142.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-29T12:14:37 * stvn hands Steffanx a nucleo board 2016-10-29T12:25:40 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-166-14-84-93.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T12:33:56 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T12:41:18 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-29T12:46:07 -!- barthess [~barthess@mm-166-14-84-93.mgts.dynamic.pppoe.byfly.by] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-29T12:48:06 < stvn> and that's heaps sick ayye 2016-10-29T12:52:14 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T12:54:52 < Tectu> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQEFKThGRm4 2016-10-29T13:03:03 < stvn> sup tec 2016-10-29T13:05:35 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T13:05:54 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T13:07:19 < Steffanx> I dont want that nucleo stvn 2016-10-29T13:07:52 < stvn> ok 2016-10-29T13:09:32 < Steffanx> How is aussieland today? 2016-10-29T13:10:11 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.39] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T13:10:13 < stvn> lolol 2016-10-29T13:10:38 < Steffanx> For you or everyone? 2016-10-29T13:10:53 < stvn> https://vid.me/eR88 2016-10-29T13:11:34 < stvn> throwin' some dirties around 2016-10-29T13:13:54 < Steffanx> is that you djing? 2016-10-29T13:15:08 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-29T13:18:29 < stvn> n 2016-10-29T13:18:44 < Steffanx> That makes the videos 10 times less interesting. 2016-10-29T13:18:58 < stvn> sorry bout that 2016-10-29T13:19:16 < stvn> friend wanted to come over and have a bash at some players 2016-10-29T13:21:03 < stvn> and i was like.. ye i have plenty of those in my workshop 2016-10-29T13:21:34 < stvn> i can do some admin/trolling while he cranks some t00nz 2016-10-29T13:22:34 < Steffanx> I like how thrilling your life is :). 2016-10-29T13:23:54 < stvn> yah me too 2016-10-29T13:24:32 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T13:25:32 < Steffanx> Hello anton02 it's ##stm32 aussielander day today. What can we do to make this day more comfortable for you? 2016-10-29T13:26:12 < anton02> im okay thanks 2016-10-29T13:26:37 < Steffanx> No inspiring quotes today? 2016-10-29T13:26:42 < stvn> H-82370 2016-10-29T13:28:02 < stvn> i need some farken 3.5mm to 6.35mm dogs 2016-10-29T13:29:45 -!- Jak_o_Shadows1 [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T13:31:05 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-29T13:31:17 < Steffanx> Webstores are closed on saturday/sunday? 2016-10-29T13:33:49 < stvn> do they deliver in 10 minutes? 2016-10-29T13:34:12 < Steffanx> Don't know if they can do that over there. 2016-10-29T13:35:02 < stvn> well no 2016-10-29T13:35:11 < stvn> not at 9.35pm 2016-10-29T13:35:29 < Steffanx> Better get to the office then. 2016-10-29T13:35:38 < stvn> the automobile was banned until 2003 2016-10-29T13:35:41 < stvn> i am in the office 2016-10-29T13:35:50 < stvn> my one though 2016-10-29T13:36:04 < stvn> i got a new 4k monitor + gtx1060 too 2016-10-29T13:36:24 < stvn> can't wait to see some hi-res photos of stm32 projects 2016-10-29T13:37:08 < Steffanx> Whats you gaming? 2016-10-29T13:38:07 < stvn> well i was going to install steam and play some goat simulator and wolfenstein 2016-10-29T13:38:33 < stvn> how awesome is the giraffe with jet-pack 2016-10-29T13:39:28 < Steffanx> Play insurgency with me 2016-10-29T13:39:36 < stvn> i'll have a look later 2016-10-29T13:39:52 < stvn> i really hope germans don't shout and shoot at you in real_life (tm) 2016-10-29T13:44:40 < stvn> Nah, you got a heightened sense of time. You're ultimately aware of time. Time passes very fast on ice. 2016-10-29T13:45:32 -!- massi_ [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-29T13:47:12 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-29T13:48:00 < stvn> They're either figure skaters or fucking speed skaters, mate. They either go through rubbish and pick at cracks or just wander around in a fucking daze, wondering why they went to places they're going. 2016-10-29T13:50:00 < stvn> I like it 'cause it's the only drug that gets me off. All the rest are shit. Crap. The coppers have fucked it. They keep cutting it too much. 2016-10-29T13:50:59 < stvn> Ah, if it worried me, do you think I'd keep doing it? No, really, you know what it is? I like stickin' needles in me vein. Right? And I'll put drugs in there that'll get me off. So, the only drug that gets me off is ice. Heroin...I'm allergic to it or something, I don't know. I used to love it. And now I hate it. 2016-10-29T13:52:51 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T13:54:58 < stvn> It can be 20 times stronger than speed, the old-style powder version of amphetamine. Mick was one of the first to use ice when batches of it came to Sydney from Thailand in the late '90s. As the addiction advances, users need more and more of the drug. Mick now uses two to three grams a day, about 10 times more than the normal addict. 2016-10-29T14:02:36 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.16.35] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T14:04:34 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T14:08:12 -!- stvn [~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: Quit] 2016-10-29T14:25:40 < Steffanx> Damn ST why you want me to register now to download some crap -_- 2016-10-29T14:27:32 < Steffanx> And since when cubeMX supports os x? 2016-10-29T14:31:22 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T14:31:41 < Steffanx> It doesnt work though.. 2016-10-29T14:32:50 < vampi-the-frog> Steffanx: just use bugmenot 2016-10-29T14:33:02 < vampi-the-frog> Steffanx: bugmenot.com and search for st.com and it will give you a login 2016-10-29T14:33:27 < Steffanx> nah, i just used my spam address, that's faster 2016-10-29T14:33:50 < vampi-the-frog> yes but you still had to register 2016-10-29T14:34:39 < dongs> spam address still need to check to click 2016-10-29T14:34:46 < dongs> but yeah i should jsut start using mailinator or something for that shit 2016-10-29T14:34:50 < dongs> annoying 2016-10-29T14:35:08 < dongs> whats worse is registration is broken 2016-10-29T14:35:15 < dongs> once you click a link to one item 2016-10-29T14:35:23 < dongs> you have to close browser to get a second one 2016-10-29T14:35:28 < dongs> or else the register popup doesnt work 2016-10-29T14:36:02 < Steffanx> D: 2016-10-29T14:36:03 < Steffanx> :D 2016-10-29T14:36:34 < dongs> and stlink firmware download is STILL brokwn... 2016-10-29T14:36:38 < dongs> downloads some ancient .zip from 1989 2016-10-29T14:36:46 < dongs> with like 16bit setup.exe for windows 3.11 2016-10-29T14:38:38 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=565_1477704042 lol murican FPS 2016-10-29T14:39:41 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-29T14:39:46 < Steffanx> [nsfw] ty. 2016-10-29T14:40:46 < dongs> meh it s safer than most Laurenceb links 2016-10-29T14:41:00 < dongs> plus you cant see shit on a 320x240 15fps security camera feed 2016-10-29T14:41:03 < dongs> quality is awful 2016-10-29T14:41:08 < dongs> all you see is some pixels running 2016-10-29T14:42:23 < dongs> http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/09/28/cascade-mall-shooter-arcan-cetin-attributes-legal-issues-cannabis-use/ 2016-10-29T14:42:26 < dongs> haha 2016-10-29T14:47:32 -!- Jak_o_Shadows1 [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-29T14:52:43 < dongs> heh apple stock still down after the announcement 2016-10-29T14:54:00 < Steffanx> "the" is that new macbook stuff? 2016-10-29T14:54:04 < dongs> yea 2016-10-29T14:56:30 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T14:58:52 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.147.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-29T14:58:58 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-29T15:17:59 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.16.35] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-29T15:24:48 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.58.202] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T15:49:34 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T15:54:05 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.58.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-29T16:09:41 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.17.139] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T16:12:51 < dongs> oh hm 2016-10-29T16:12:58 < dongs> sdram to F429 really isnt too awful to route 2016-10-29T16:13:04 < dongs> i expected worse 2016-10-29T16:16:32 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-129-255.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T16:16:39 < Laurenceb_> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S8755461515000547 2016-10-29T16:16:43 < Laurenceb_> freaking wikipedia 2016-10-29T16:26:52 < dekar> dongs, what are you building? 2016-10-29T16:27:09 < dongs> gonna render autism.gif on HDMI 2016-10-29T16:29:49 < dekar> HDMI using STM32? O.o 2016-10-29T16:29:51 < dongs> with STM32 2016-10-29T16:30:06 < dongs> ya 2016-10-29T16:30:24 < dekar> How does this magic work? 2016-10-29T16:30:32 < dongs> LDTC to HDMI transmitter 2016-10-29T16:31:29 < dekar> What's LDTC? 2016-10-29T16:31:41 < dongs> lcd controller on F4xx 2016-10-29T16:32:33 < Laurenceb_> wut 2016-10-29T16:32:35 < dekar> Oh, it's LTDC, isn't it? 2016-10-29T16:32:43 < Laurenceb_> pls link ic for this magic 2016-10-29T16:32:56 < dongs> Laurenceb_: will tweet autism progress as i work through it 2016-10-29T16:33:00 < Laurenceb_> heh 2016-10-29T16:33:17 < dekar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9beY561lr7o 2016-10-29T16:33:20 < dongs> ah yeah LTDC. 2016-10-29T16:33:25 < dongs> retarded name regardless 2016-10-29T16:33:34 < dongs> dekar: basically yeah 2016-10-29T16:33:38 < Laurenceb_> pro 2016-10-29T16:33:47 < dongs> nice to see it actually works 2016-10-29T16:34:04 < dekar> I wouldn't have expected to be able to do those resolutions on a uC yet. 2016-10-29T16:34:12 < dongs> well, the controller supports it 2016-10-29T16:34:18 < dongs> up to XGA or wahtever 2016-10-29T16:34:22 < dongs> the LTDC thing. 2016-10-29T16:34:46 < Laurenceb_> cant see HDMI IC part number :( 2016-10-29T16:35:21 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.77] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T16:35:23 < dongs> its ADV 2016-10-29T16:35:39 -!- anton02 [~quassel@lal1651212.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-29T16:36:16 < Laurenceb_> http://www.analog.com/en/products/audio-video/analoghdmidvi-interfaces/hdmidvi-transmitters/adv7511.html#product-overview 2016-10-29T16:36:18 < Laurenceb_> I see 2016-10-29T16:36:23 < dongs> yeah 2016-10-29T16:36:26 < dongs> any of those that work for you 2016-10-29T16:36:35 < dongs> that one is overkill 2016-10-29T16:39:09 < dongs> cuz that one is like 36bit parallel bus but you can really only do 565 2016-10-29T16:40:33 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-29T16:41:00 < dekar> Hmm, apparently SDRAM might turn into a bottleneck: http://electronics.stackexchange.com/a/239615 2016-10-29T16:41:31 < dongs> haha 2016-10-29T16:41:37 < dongs> he had nor flash tho 2016-10-29T16:42:22 < dongs> different banks sounds like good idea 2016-10-29T16:42:24 < dongs> for double buffering 2016-10-29T16:43:10 < dekar> My SDRAM benchmarks were quite promising for sequential access. Like 80MB/s reading and 160MB/s writing at 84Mhz and 16bit. 2016-10-29T16:43:50 < dekar> I think DMA might actually be faster for reading, due to some internal FIFO/cache thing. 2016-10-29T16:47:11 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-29T16:47:26 < dekar> dongs, once you get to setup SDRAM, stay clear of interleaved and burst. I don't think the STM32 supports any of those. The ref-manual mentions burst, but I think that's about DMA burst, not SDRAM burst. 2016-10-29T16:47:49 < dongs> i think i'll just be copyinfg f429-disco sdram setup 2016-10-29T16:47:53 < dongs> since thats the same chip im using anyway 2016-10-29T16:47:55 < dongs> its dirtcheap 2016-10-29T16:47:56 < dekar> We contacted some Chinese FAE about that, but they weren't any helpful at all. 2016-10-29T16:49:02 < dekar> One of the ST SDRAM examples enables burst, but it didn't improve performance for me at all, yet caused issues with some SDRAMs. 2016-10-29T16:51:11 < dongs> nice 2016-10-29T16:53:04 < dekar> dongs, the STM32F429I-Discovery in main.c writes SDRAM_MODEREG_BURST_LENGTH_2 into the SDRAM register. Yet the STM32F4 has no register to match this at all. 2016-10-29T16:53:31 < dongs> 'into sdram register' -> something in FMC? 2016-10-29T16:53:52 < dekar> SDRAM has a configuration register. 2016-10-29T16:54:11 < dongs> ah the memory hcip itself? 2016-10-29T16:54:13 < dekar> Yeah 2016-10-29T16:55:58 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T16:56:28 < dekar> It may work with the chip you pick, but I am pretty sure it doesn't provide any advantage. I think for one of ours it corrupted memory while bank switching, quite annoying. 2016-10-29T16:59:01 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T16:59:08 < dekar> We ditched the ISSI for Alliance since they caused less EMI and we had trouble with that. 2016-10-29T16:59:37 < dongs> i'm sure my awesome 2L layout is gonna be full of EMI 2016-10-29T17:00:31 < dekar> Ours was 8 layers, yet it leaked through the STM32 and out of some other unrelated pin groups. :/ 2016-10-29T17:00:38 < dongs> nice 2016-10-29T17:01:44 < dongs> sounds as awesome as I can imagine 2016-10-29T17:01:57 < dongs> anyway, that chink vid gives me confidence that this garbage will work 2016-10-29T17:02:00 < dongs> since my setup is almost similar 2016-10-29T17:06:03 < aandrew> dekar: interesting se post 2016-10-29T17:06:19 < dongs> not authored by indians, too 2016-10-29T17:06:26 < Laurenceb_> how does SDRAM current consumption work? 2016-10-29T17:06:34 < Laurenceb_> large increase during read and write? 2016-10-29T17:06:48 < Laurenceb_> or closer to a constant current draw all the time 2016-10-29T17:08:12 < dongs> Note: this is a long project but first i want to have the 1500-2000 for this project and for the rest I will give you 35 days. but this 1500-2000 words I needed on 25th October. Thanks a lot. 2016-10-29T17:08:18 < dongs> posted: today 2016-10-29T17:08:40 < dongs> have you ever written 1500 words about arduino 2016-10-29T17:08:52 < dongs> if so: how many times the word "fuck" came up 2016-10-29T17:14:30 < aandrew> http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/10/george-hotz-cancels-self-driving-car-product-after-us-regulator-asks-questions/ 2016-10-29T17:14:45 < aandrew> sounds like geohot just didn't want to answer to anyone 2016-10-29T17:14:50 < dekar> Laurenceb_, I don't think we measured the current spikes since 3V3 was quite stable. But IIRC the average draw wasn't too bad, like 50mA. 2016-10-29T17:15:16 < dongs> aandrew: < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/28/commaai_car_kit_cancelled/ ahahahah fucking george scamz fucking finally 2016-10-29T17:15:30 < dongs> aandrew: more like he realized a bunch of retarded python scripts do not make a commercial product 2016-10-29T17:15:33 < aandrew> oops, didn't see you link it earlier 2016-10-29T17:15:46 < dekar> Some of the micro SD cards we tried were actually much worse than the SDRAM. :/ 2016-10-29T17:16:18 < Steffanx> Is that a surprisr? 2016-10-29T17:16:20 < Steffanx> E 2016-10-29T17:20:16 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-129-255.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-29T17:21:37 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-29T17:26:15 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.149.231] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T17:41:54 < Steffanx> he did actually have something right? 2016-10-29T17:42:28 < dongs> just a bunch of python garbage 2016-10-29T17:42:34 < dongs> analyzing 320x240@15fps video 2016-10-29T17:42:43 < dongs> nothing prpo level 2016-10-29T17:42:44 < dongs> pro 2016-10-29T17:47:00 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-29T17:52:13 < dongs> wow. $0.58 from google rewards 2016-10-29T17:52:17 < dongs> im rolling in cash 2016-10-29T17:52:28 < dongs> can quit my day job now 2016-10-29T17:56:11 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T17:58:20 < [7]> http://i.imgur.com/pZa541H.png - WTF are they thinking!? 2016-10-29T17:58:36 < dongs> whats wrong 2016-10-29T17:59:16 < [7]> well, give me the code for getTCIF(int stream) 2016-10-29T18:01:11 < dongs> stdperiphlib doesnt seem to have any issues with it 2016-10-29T18:01:30 < [7]> yeah, but why can't they just align those bits sanely? 2016-10-29T18:01:31 < dongs> all you need to do is have bitmasks for wahtever TCIF stream 2016-10-29T18:01:38 < dongs> because there's no reason to 2016-10-29T18:01:53 < [7]> yup, now I need a bit mask lookup table for every channel or something 2016-10-29T18:02:04 < [7]> otherwise I could have just said, oh, channel number multiplied by X 2016-10-29T18:02:15 < dongs> there's actually no REASON to need to know a flag indexed by channel number 2016-10-29T18:02:30 < dongs> if you're in an interrupt handler or wahtever, you already know wshich channel/stream you're on 2016-10-29T18:02:48 < [7]> sometimes you want to block on DMA completion though 2016-10-29T18:02:59 < [7]> sure, you could let the IRQ handler set a flag or something 2016-10-29T18:03:18 < [7]> but why can't they just align those bits in a sane manner? 2016-10-29T18:04:52 < [7]> also, on F0, the DMA channel IRQs are multiplexed 2016-10-29T18:05:24 < dongs> It seems you're writing Yet Another Fucking HAL 2016-10-29T18:05:32 < dongs> instead of actually doing something useful 2016-10-29T18:05:39 < dongs> I prefer to focus on making shit work 2016-10-29T18:05:49 < Steffanx> And irc. 2016-10-29T18:05:52 < dongs> ^ 2016-10-29T18:06:01 < [7]> nope, I'm just trying to make it configurable in ONE place, which SPI core a radio chip is hooked up to 2016-10-29T18:06:17 < dongs> [7]: look at stdperiph examples. 2016-10-29T18:06:23 < dongs> literally like 5 #defines 2016-10-29T18:06:28 < dongs> SPI_DMA_blah 2016-10-29T18:06:31 < dongs> SPI_DMA_TC 2016-10-29T18:06:33 < dongs> etc c 2016-10-29T18:06:34 < dongs> done. 2016-10-29T18:06:44 < [7]> yup. a dozen defines that I need to change, not one 2016-10-29T18:06:49 < dongs> ... 2016-10-29T18:06:49 < dongs> k 2016-10-29T18:06:51 < dongs> goodl uck! 2016-10-29T18:07:06 < dongs> meanwhile, i've had SPI code I ported between liek 4 different boards 2016-10-29T18:07:07 < [7]> or a dozen wrapper macros that do weird bit twiddling to figure it out 2016-10-29T18:07:14 < dongs> including 2 that had F0 style DMA 2016-10-29T18:07:20 < dongs> and the changes were minimal 2016-10-29T18:07:24 < dongs> and my shit works. 2016-10-29T18:07:32 < dongs> so its ok, you can look for a solution instead for a while 2016-10-29T18:07:41 < dongs> er F1 style dma 2016-10-29T18:07:43 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T18:07:51 < dongs> no need for any wrapper macros 2016-10-29T18:09:03 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-29T18:10:49 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.205] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T18:11:14 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T18:11:42 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.14.166] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T18:11:52 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T18:14:53 < zyp> 16:59:16 < [7]> well, give me the code for getTCIF(int stream) 2016-10-29T18:14:58 < zyp> looks easy enough 2016-10-29T18:15:14 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-29T18:15:25 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T18:16:16 < zyp> DMA_ISR[stream >> 2] & (1 << 5) << ((stream & 0x3) * 8) 2016-10-29T18:16:38 < [7]> hah would be nice if it was that easy 2016-10-29T18:16:50 < zyp> it is, if you just don't make your API shitty 2016-10-29T18:16:53 < [7]> but noooo, the lowest bit of stream needs to be multiplied by 6, not 8 2016-10-29T18:17:17 < zyp> oh, my bad, s/8/6/ 2016-10-29T18:17:32 < zyp> point still stands 2016-10-29T18:17:46 < [7]> nah, now it's broken for channels 2, 3, 6 and 7 2016-10-29T18:17:52 < [7]> because those need an offset of 16, not 12 2016-10-29T18:18:02 < zyp> oh, right 2016-10-29T18:18:06 < zyp> haha, okay 2016-10-29T18:18:30 < [7]> I mean just why the fuck are they doing that... seems to make no sense at all 2016-10-29T18:18:36 < zyp> DMA_ISR16[stream >> 1] & (1 << 5) << ((stream & 0x1) * 6) 2016-10-29T18:18:38 < zyp> happy now? 2016-10-29T18:19:07 < [7]> hm I guess one could trick around with that, but not sure if it's happy with 16 bit accesses 2016-10-29T18:19:12 < [7]> especially for the clear register 2016-10-29T18:19:39 < zyp> okay, okay 2016-10-29T18:20:20 < zyp> DMA_ISR[stream >> 2] & (1 << 5) << ((stream & 0x1) * 6 + (stream & 0x2) * 8) 2016-10-29T18:20:50 < [7]> yup, something like that, but WHY!? 2016-10-29T18:20:53 < dongs> zyp wins, theSeven still doing it wrong tho 2016-10-29T18:21:08 < [7]> why can't it be just as simple as the first one you sent... 2016-10-29T18:21:11 < zyp> idk, it's pretty dumb 2016-10-29T18:21:44 < zyp> it's probably a 16-bit structure internally, and they didn't think when packing it into the register 2016-10-29T18:22:42 < zyp> and if that's the case, 16-bit accesses is probably faster even 2016-10-29T18:27:46 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Quit: leaving] 2016-10-29T18:30:42 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.205] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-29T18:31:29 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-29T18:34:48 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.14.166] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-29T18:50:53 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-29T18:55:28 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-29T18:58:50 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T19:08:36 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-29T19:15:03 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-29T19:18:49 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T19:22:38 < [7]> "After being read, this register delivers a new random value after a maximum time of 40 periods of the RNG_CLK clock." - and the RNG_CLK frequency is neither listed in the reference manual nor the datasheet 2016-10-29T19:25:46 < [7]> it's also unclear whether the RNG peripheral requires its AHB bus clock to be enabled in order to generate new random data 2016-10-29T19:25:49 < jpa-> it's probably the bus clock, as shown in the clock tree 2016-10-29T19:26:05 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-29T19:26:37 < dongs> haha. 2016-10-29T19:26:41 < dongs> just spent arguing 10mins with a fgt 2016-10-29T19:26:48 < dongs> who got owned by aliasing 2016-10-29T19:26:49 < [7]> hm, the clock tree in RM0033 doesn't show the RNG anywhere 2016-10-29T19:26:51 < [7]> or I'm blind 2016-10-29T19:27:11 < [7]> (f205) 2016-10-29T19:27:16 < dongs> was doing func(int *fgt) { somecrap((uint8_t *)fgt) and expeting it to work 2016-10-29T19:27:16 < jpa-> well if it connects to AHB then it's listed just as "to AHB peripherals" 2016-10-29T19:28:00 < [7]> "The RNG_LFSR is clocked by a dedicated clock (RNG_CLK) at a constant frequency, so that the quality of the random number is independent of the HCLK frequency. " 2016-10-29T19:28:47 < [7]> oh, revision history: "RNG: Replaced PLL48CLK by RNG_CLK in the whole section. " 2016-10-29T19:29:21 < jpa-> lol, well that is badly explained then 2016-10-29T19:30:02 < [7]> in the RCC section: "All peripheral clocks are derived from the system clock (SYSCLK) except for: • The USB OTG FS clock (48 MHz), the random analog generator (RNG) clock (≤ 48 MHz) and the SDIO clock (≤ 48 MHz) which are coming from a specific output of PLL (PLL48CLK) " 2016-10-29T19:30:21 < [7]> cleverly not mentioning it as "RNG_CLK" there so you can't find it by searching the PDF :P 2016-10-29T19:31:08 < [7]> so that probably means that I'll have to bring up PLL48 in order to use it, which isn't mentioned anywhere in the RNG section 2016-10-29T19:31:21 < [7]> damn, that would have been a lot more clear before renaming that clock there 2016-10-29T19:32:34 < [7]> wow, no mention of PLL48CLK in the clock tree either 2016-10-29T19:32:43 < [7]> they call it PLL48CK there 2016-10-29T19:33:15 < [7]> so the RNG is actually running on the Q divider output of the main PLL 2016-10-29T19:34:44 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T19:35:54 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.160.105] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T19:38:02 < Steffanx> lo 2016-10-29T19:38:21 < dongs> sounds like you're reading some ancient reference manual 2016-10-29T19:39:52 < [7]> Rev 7 (february 2015) of RM0033 (http://www.st.com/resource/en/reference_manual/CD00225773.pdf) 2016-10-29T19:39:58 < [7]> which I think is the latest revision of it 2016-10-29T19:40:08 < dongs> the same c hange is in RM0090 btw so dont feel too bad. 2016-10-29T19:40:34 < dongs> theres jsut this one bit 2016-10-29T19:40:34 < dongs> All peripheral clocks are derived from the system clock (SYSCLK) except for: 2016-10-29T19:40:34 < dongs> • The USB OTG FS clock (48 MHz), the random analog generator (RNG) clock 2016-10-29T19:40:34 < dongs> (≤48 MHz) and the SDIO clock (≤ 48 MHz) which are coming from a specific output of 2016-10-29T19:40:38 < dongs> PLL (PLL48CLK) 2016-10-29T19:40:49 < dongs> in general clocking section. 2016-10-29T19:40:52 < [7]> wow funny broken unicode :P 2016-10-29T19:40:57 < dongs> yeah blame this irc 2016-10-29T19:41:06 < dongs> those are like <= symbols 2016-10-29T19:41:25 < [7]> "The USB OTG FS clock (48 MHz), the random analog generator (RNG) clock (≤ 48 MHz) and the SDIO clock (≤ 48 MHz) which are coming from a specific output of PLL (PLL48CLK)" 2016-10-29T19:41:32 < [7]> seems to work here 2016-10-29T19:41:45 < ReadErr> http://www.gearbest.com/electric-shavers/pp_469332.html 2016-10-29T19:41:46 < ReadErr> loool 2016-10-29T19:41:59 < dongs> lmao 2016-10-29T19:42:02 < zyp> haha 2016-10-29T19:42:35 < [7]> seems *very* practical 2016-10-29T19:42:42 < ReadErr> how does something like that even get in to production 2016-10-29T19:42:54 < zyp> even supports usb-c 2016-10-29T19:42:56 < dongs> lighting connector 2016-10-29T19:43:04 < ReadErr> has all 3 connectors 2016-10-29T19:43:08 < dongs> oh lol really 2016-10-29T19:43:08 * [7] wonders if bigclive already has one of these 2016-10-29T19:43:22 < ReadErr> 1 version for each 2016-10-29T19:43:38 < ReadErr> when have you ever needed to shave 2016-10-29T19:43:43 < ReadErr> and had this little usb shit 2016-10-29T19:44:38 < dongs> lawl 2016-10-29T19:44:41 < dongs> trump 4 lyfe 2016-10-29T19:45:02 < ReadErr> hardly 2016-10-29T19:45:09 < ReadErr> this whole FBI thing was paid for 2016-10-29T19:45:41 < ReadErr> its still 80.6% to 19.3% 2016-10-29T19:47:52 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.160.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-29T19:48:31 < zyp> ReadErr, I thought conspiracy theories were the forte of the other side 2016-10-29T19:48:51 < ReadErr> zyp: its the timing 2016-10-29T19:49:17 < zyp> sounds like something trump would say 2016-10-29T19:49:34 < ReadErr> watch it turn out to be nothing 2016-10-29T19:50:51 < ReadErr> "we dont know the significance of these newly found emails" 2016-10-29T19:50:55 < ReadErr> they dont have anything 2016-10-29T19:52:53 < ReadErr> yea trump is squeaky clean 2016-10-29T19:53:21 < Steffanx> I would be happy when all this crap is finally over. 2016-10-29T19:53:28 < dongs> me2 2016-10-29T19:53:52 < ReadErr> so you like scalia R2COM >? 2016-10-29T19:54:05 < Steffanx> Even people in dutchland have their opinions ready. Just based on the regular polarized media. 2016-10-29T19:54:20 < dongs> R2COM: did you hear, I purchased GTX1050TI. soon I will be murdering you in your favorite steam games 2016-10-29T19:54:20 < ReadErr> what opinion is that Steffanx 2016-10-29T19:54:42 < ReadErr> R2COM: well Trump wants to replace the new supreme court judge with someone just like him 2016-10-29T19:54:49 < Steffanx> Trump is clown. Hilary 4 presidents. At least for the majority of the people. 2016-10-29T19:54:50 < ReadErr> and Scalia was a real piece of shit 2016-10-29T19:54:54 < Steffanx> -s 2016-10-29T19:55:02 < ReadErr> you dont understand much then 2016-10-29T19:56:07 < ReadErr> btw, I found a vid of that autism simulator 2016-10-29T19:56:10 < ReadErr> that Getty posted 2016-10-29T19:56:13 < Steffanx> The gtx1050ti is cheapish right? $200 or something? 2016-10-29T19:56:29 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgDR_gYk_a8 2016-10-29T19:56:33 < ReadErr> its like your tripping 2016-10-29T19:56:45 < dongs> Steffanx: $139 2016-10-29T19:56:53 < dongs> almost 2016-10-29T19:57:11 < zyp> uh 2016-10-29T19:57:22 < zyp> that sounds unlikely, but idk 2016-10-29T19:57:40 < zyp> that it's faster 2016-10-29T19:57:49 < dongs> nah its ~~ 960/970 2016-10-29T19:57:52 < dongs> but doesnt need pcie power 2016-10-29T19:58:05 < Getty> oh i still didnt tested it 2016-10-29T19:58:40 < dongs> R2COM: my office PC only has 1 4096x 31" 2016-10-29T19:59:19 < Steffanx> FPS dont need 2 screens anyway. 2016-10-29T19:59:34 < Steffanx> or 3 2016-10-29T19:59:45 < zyp> fuck hdmi, DP is where it's at 2016-10-29T20:00:02 < dongs> what really needs to be fucked is DVI 2016-10-29T20:00:07 < dongs> that connector needs to d ie 2016-10-29T20:00:16 < dongs> forever and ever 2016-10-29T20:00:36 < dongs> ive not owned a DVI cable in 5+ years 2016-10-29T20:00:39 < dongs> probly more 2016-10-29T20:00:50 < dongs> and I've never seen anything wiht DVI inputs 2016-10-29T20:00:58 < dongs> so why the fuck do they still put that shit on cards. 2016-10-29T20:01:28 < zyp> uh, I'm using DVI for both monitors I've got connected right now 2016-10-29T20:01:46 < dongs> wut. werent you on 4K shits? 2016-10-29T20:01:49 < zyp> my dell thing got both, but DVI was the cable I found first last time I connected it 2016-10-29T20:01:58 < zyp> no, not yet 2016-10-29T20:02:09 < zyp> U2713H 2016-10-29T20:02:30 < dongs> BREAKING: Man stabs 4 people near Hauptwache plaza in Frankfurt, Germany; perpetrator on the run, police says; motive 'unclear' 2016-10-29T20:02:56 < Steffanx> retweeting..? 2016-10-29T20:03:07 < dongs> yes 2016-10-29T20:05:41 < Steffanx> Yes, so he could have shot 4 people. 2016-10-29T20:05:49 < Steffanx> Much more effective. 2016-10-29T20:06:03 < Steffanx> Allah will be proud. 2016-10-29T20:07:35 < Steffanx> You can talk whatever you want. I grew up in a country without the guns and i will never understand the need to have one. 2016-10-29T20:07:37 < zyp> that's a pretty bullshit argument 2016-10-29T20:08:27 < Steffanx> Yes. Thats kinda without guns for the "normal" people like me. 2016-10-29T20:10:12 < Steffanx> Im not even going to discuss this with you, because I cannot discuss things with you in a normal way. Sorry. 2016-10-29T20:10:20 < dongs> heh 2016-10-29T20:11:02 < zyp> R2COM, how come the US got the highest rate of firearm-related deaths of all developed nations if owning guns is supposed to help? 2016-10-29T20:11:23 < zyp> ref. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate 2016-10-29T20:12:24 < zyp> legal in what sense? 2016-10-29T20:12:51 < dongs> wow, romania is top 4 lowest 2016-10-29T20:13:07 < dongs> blaming jadew 2016-10-29T20:13:11 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T20:13:11 < zyp> according to my reference, switzerland got a gun death rate almost twice as high as norway 2016-10-29T20:15:00 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-29T20:15:02 < zyp> another interesting statistic of that site is how much of the death rate that's made up by suicides 2016-10-29T20:15:09 < dongs> heh 2016-10-29T20:15:12 < dongs> japan is #1 on that right 2016-10-29T20:15:17 < Steffanx> people in Uruguay seems to be most stupid. Most unintentional deaths by gunfire :D 2016-10-29T20:15:34 < dongs> heh 2016-10-29T20:15:35 < zyp> what good is a gun to defend yourself with if it's yourself you need to defend yourself against? 2016-10-29T20:15:40 < dongs> must be those random wedding shootings 2016-10-29T20:15:52 < zyp> dongs, no, US is at the top of gun suicides, of course 2016-10-29T20:15:58 < dongs> tho i think most of those ive seen it was like turks or arabs 2016-10-29T20:15:59 < zyp> japs just jumps in front of trains and shit 2016-10-29T20:15:59 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T20:16:00 < dongs> doing that 2016-10-29T20:16:13 < ReadErr> south korea is pretty high too 2016-10-29T20:16:17 < ReadErr> they jump into some river 2016-10-29T20:16:52 < zyp> oh, wow 2016-10-29T20:16:53 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate 2016-10-29T20:17:07 < zyp> south korea's suicide rate is way higher than japans 2016-10-29T20:17:13 < dongs> yea wat 2016-10-29T20:17:17 < dongs> japan is also way lower than I'd expect 2016-10-29T20:17:31 < dongs> tho most of the shit above it is worthless 3rd world filth 2016-10-29T20:17:49 < dongs> i dont even know where half of those places are 2016-10-29T20:18:28 < zyp> R2COM, uh, switzerland is like number three in gun death rate in developed nations 2016-10-29T20:18:28 < zyp> after the US and finland 2016-10-29T20:20:13 < Steffanx> Always wonder about finland. Do they kill their neighbours that live 5 km away? 2016-10-29T20:20:45 < Steffanx> so everything ready englishman? 2016-10-29T20:20:51 < zyp> idk, something like that happened in a village near where my parents live a few years ago 2016-10-29T20:21:05 < Steffanx> nein. 2016-10-29T20:21:17 < dongs> whats in video 2016-10-29T20:21:37 < dongs> thats a given 2016-10-29T20:23:06 < dongs> im getting like 2k/sec from youtube 2016-10-29T20:23:41 < zyp> that looks pretty slow 2016-10-29T20:24:10 < dongs> thats probly training/test mode 2016-10-29T20:24:16 < dongs> neoden had same shit too 2016-10-29T20:24:23 < dongs> then you hit the turbo button and it zips 2016-10-29T20:24:46 < zyp> ah, nice 2016-10-29T20:25:43 < Steffanx> nice nice englishman :) 2016-10-29T20:25:57 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY1u0AX-bms 2016-10-29T20:26:06 < ReadErr> this german's is fastly 2016-10-29T20:26:08 < Steffanx> Not sure about this "special design for led" text means. 2016-10-29T20:26:10 < zyp> how much was that thing? 2016-10-29T20:26:12 < ReadErr> need a heavy base 2016-10-29T20:26:52 < dongs> lol i see a Dickit3 in the last video 2016-10-29T20:26:54 < dongs> aids spotted 2016-10-29T20:27:01 < ReadErr> ya hes big on PIC 2016-10-29T20:27:06 < ReadErr> and uhhh 2016-10-29T20:27:14 < ReadErr> delphi or w/e 2016-10-29T20:27:21 < ReadErr> very german 2016-10-29T20:27:42 < Steffanx> heh, was the first thing i thought of when englishman posted that photo.. wont that table go all wobbly? 2016-10-29T20:28:02 < upgrdman> nice korean film https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggy_Poo 2016-10-29T20:28:09 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 2016-10-29T20:28:11 < upgrdman> "After being "created" by a dog, Doggy Poo meets various living and inanimate things. No one wants to be his friend, and Doggy Poo becomes sad because he believes he is worthless and has no purpose. Eventually, a plant grows out of the ground and tells Doggy Poo that she needs him so she can grow into a flower. Doggy Poo discovers his life purpose and he becomes absorbed by the flower. After being absorbed by the flower, Doggy Poo lives "a 2016-10-29T20:28:11 < upgrdman> happy life"." 2016-10-29T20:28:14 < ReadErr> thats why on the big ones, they have a huge amount of weight just in the base 2016-10-29T20:28:22 < ReadErr> to counteract all that 2016-10-29T20:29:12 < ReadErr> I need to put mine back together 2016-10-29T20:29:37 < dongs> for your one-off hobby projects right? 2016-10-29T20:29:40 < ReadErr> yes 2016-10-29T20:29:45 < ReadErr> I got ballscrews and servos 2016-10-29T20:29:55 < ReadErr> so it basically needed to be torn down 2016-10-29T20:30:03 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T20:32:50 < ReadErr> dongs: I have every other kind of machine 2016-10-29T20:32:58 < ReadErr> im a MAKER(tm) 2016-10-29T20:33:39 < Steffanx> Sexy. 2016-10-29T20:35:25 < ReadErr> ya I got big tools 2016-10-29T20:35:31 < ReadErr> massive, the largest 2016-10-29T20:40:31 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-29T20:41:05 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T20:43:50 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T20:44:06 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.77] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T20:55:28 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-29T21:05:37 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-29T21:06:29 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-29T21:09:13 -!- k\o\w [~fffffff@CPE003159bfab4c-CM00fc8db094f0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-29T21:10:54 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T21:19:01 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T21:49:24 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T21:57:11 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T22:04:15 -!- daey [~Flutterba@unaffiliated/day] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-29T22:05:18 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-29T22:39:10 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T22:44:29 < Steffanx> I thank you very much for this revelation, englishman 2016-10-29T22:46:08 < Tectu> Hello people 2016-10-29T22:47:51 -!- BrainDamage_ [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T22:47:52 -!- BrainDamage [~BrainDama@unaffiliated/braindamage] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 2016-10-29T22:48:20 -!- BrainDamage_ is now known as BrainDamage 2016-10-29T22:54:40 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T22:55:56 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.17.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-29T22:59:42 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.17.139] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T23:08:51 < zyp> englishman, I use linux without gnu every day 2016-10-29T23:08:56 < zyp> it's called android 2016-10-29T23:12:12 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has left ##stm32 ["Leaving"] 2016-10-29T23:19:46 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-29T23:45:10 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:f173:1aee:e719:4177] has joined ##stm32 --- Day changed Sun Oct 30 2016 2016-10-30T00:00:56 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKWXJTaGpOVTd6OEE/view?usp=drivesdk back to basics from microshitler display panels 2016-10-30T00:02:34 < Steffanx> too bad the panels are not in finnish :P 2016-10-30T00:02:52 -!- grummund [~user@unaffiliated/grummund] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T00:02:59 < Steffanx> and "On/off" :P 2016-10-30T00:03:01 < kakimir> maybe I need to label them 2016-10-30T00:03:11 < kakimir> to be sure 2016-10-30T00:03:35 < Steffanx> but what is it? 2016-10-30T00:05:49 < kakimir> ignotion 2016-10-30T00:09:25 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-129-255.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T00:10:51 < kakimir> you know rainy hunting day 2016-10-30T00:14:13 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-30T00:19:14 < kakimir> nothing 2016-10-30T00:22:09 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Use a lightning generator imo: http://i2.wp.com/norwaytoday.info/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/tb59576e.jpg?resize=777%2C437 2016-10-30T00:23:09 < LeelooMinai> Boom, and 300 moose dead:) 2016-10-30T00:31:09 < Laurenceb_> http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1538-3873/128/969/114201/meta;jsessionid=462E2BA5AE52FD39C1C4BFD8E4EF475E.c2.iopscience.cld.iop.org 2016-10-30T00:31:40 * LeelooMinai looks strangely at Laurenceb_ 2016-10-30T00:32:46 * LeelooMinai imagines Laurenceb_ on a date and saying, "So... did you hear about Periodic Spectral Modulations in a Small Fraction of Solar-type Stars?" 2016-10-30T00:33:17 < Laurenceb_> serious business 2016-10-30T00:36:53 < LeelooMinai> OCD Level - Chuck Norris 2016-10-30T00:37:24 < BrainDamage> time to trigger Laurenceb_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14 2016-10-30T00:37:55 < Laurenceb_> the ebil science 2016-10-30T00:38:12 < Laurenceb_> to be fair even the people there laugh at the stupid 2016-10-30T00:39:01 < BrainDamage> because the audience was scientists 2016-10-30T00:40:16 < LeelooMinai> In the right circle I am sure people would listen to her seriously:) 2016-10-30T00:40:31 < BrainDamage> yup 2016-10-30T00:40:39 < LeelooMinai> Learned that from internet, unfortunatelly. 2016-10-30T00:41:07 < BrainDamage> on the internet it's hard to tell hirony from serious involvement tought 2016-10-30T00:41:19 < BrainDamage> everything gets mixed in a big ball of trolling 2016-10-30T00:41:49 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but with huge experience, you hopefull get a good troll-detecting skills. 2016-10-30T00:43:04 < Steffanx> In ##stm32 you learn it very fast 2016-10-30T00:43:10 < LeelooMinai> (and then on IRC you discover that everyone is trolling, even yourslef:p) 2016-10-30T00:44:32 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-30T00:44:51 < LeelooMinai> It's almost like people are natural trolls by nature. If they can suffer no consequences, here they are. 2016-10-30T00:45:25 < BrainDamage> the depersonalization of a pseudonimous medium reduces empathy 2016-10-30T00:45:40 < LeelooMinai> Must be how humanity took over the Earth - trolled all the animals to death eventually. 2016-10-30T00:45:51 < BrainDamage> it's much easier being a dick to someome who you can't see suffering 2016-10-30T00:47:29 < LeelooMinai> Or conversely, it's much more beneficial to not being a dick to someone in RL. 2016-10-30T00:47:50 < LeelooMinai> So, I would not jump to the conclusion maybe that people in RL behave more natural:) 2016-10-30T00:47:59 < BrainDamage> not just so, social behaviou is actually hardwired 2016-10-30T00:48:30 < BrainDamage> or at least, some basic form of it 2016-10-30T00:49:14 < BrainDamage> on top of that there's ofc consequences and "social constructs" 2016-10-30T00:49:53 < LeelooMinai> It's all a Game of Trolls:/ 2016-10-30T00:52:54 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T00:53:06 < LeelooMinai> People trolling others and themselves. 2016-10-30T00:53:06 < LeelooMinai> Anyone watched that new Musk presentation yesterday? 2016-10-30T00:53:09 < LeelooMinai> With the solar tiles? 2016-10-30T00:53:09 < LeelooMinai> I wonder what the actual price of those is/will be. 2016-10-30T00:54:46 < LeelooMinai> Not that the idea is very novel, but I kind of like where it's going - it's all in cranking this up to huge scale manufacturing and a price comparable to normal, well "fancy" roof tiles. Then it would be a win. 2016-10-30T00:55:03 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-30T00:55:24 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T01:09:11 < BrainDamage> nope, i didn't see south park since almost a decade 2016-10-30T01:11:36 < LeelooMinai> I guess that means no IRC for me any more:p 2016-10-30T01:11:41 < BrainDamage> some % are just a dick 24/7 2016-10-30T01:11:58 < BrainDamage> howrever the medium does impact those on the gray area 2016-10-30T01:12:24 < LeelooMinai> Half-dicks? 2016-10-30T01:12:59 < BrainDamage> half a dick is still topologically a dick 2016-10-30T01:13:20 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-30T01:13:44 < BrainDamage> just like everyone is topologically equivalent to a donut 2016-10-30T01:13:48 < zyp> BrainDamage, is that what you need to tell yourself? 2016-10-30T01:14:11 < BrainDamage> zyp: regards to? 2016-10-30T01:14:20 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Are you trying to prove that IRC is full of those people? :p 2016-10-30T01:14:25 < zyp> yep 2016-10-30T01:14:44 < LeelooMinai> BrainDamage: I think he was referring to, you know, your anatomy:) 2016-10-30T01:15:06 < BrainDamage> ah, woosh 2016-10-30T01:17:09 < LeelooMinai> I kind of wonder if an IRC with requirement that you have a camera on your face would be the same... 2016-10-30T01:17:20 < LeelooMinai> I mean pointed at your face:p 2016-10-30T01:17:57 < LeelooMinai> Or people would just use troll-faces:/ 2016-10-30T01:18:40 < zyp> so skype? 2016-10-30T01:19:32 < LeelooMinai> No, skype does not have that many people at once. I guess it could work by showing faces of only people who have spoken in past few minutes or lines or something. 2016-10-30T01:20:29 < LeelooMinai> NO real face - ban:p 2016-10-30T01:21:55 < aandrew> eww 2016-10-30T01:21:59 < aandrew> that sounds awful 2016-10-30T01:22:37 < LeelooMinai> I imagine it would introduce both problems and solutions. I don't know - maybe at least emoticons would be not needed? :) 2016-10-30T01:23:20 < BrainDamage> 2/10, can't masturbate while on irc 2016-10-30T01:23:20 < LeelooMinai> O, I know, the camera could capture the face when the person was typing the sentence and attach it to each line. 2016-10-30T01:23:41 < LeelooMinai> So you could replay ot or loop it maybe constantly - could be interesting:) 2016-10-30T01:24:28 < LeelooMinai> So if you see someone with blood coming out of eyes and veins on the neck enlarged - rage:p 2016-10-30T01:25:29 < LeelooMinai> BrainDamage: Well, the camera could be active only when you type the sentence and until you press enter. 2016-10-30T01:25:55 < BrainDamage> >implying i can't type with one hand 2016-10-30T01:26:17 < LeelooMinai> The camera would be pointed at your face... 2016-10-30T01:26:43 < LeelooMinai> ... so you could, but maybe that would send mixed signals - whatever:) 2016-10-30T01:28:15 < Amperture> Those captive screws 2016-10-30T01:29:03 < LeelooMinai> Amperture: Going for random interjection of the day? :) 2016-10-30T01:44:26 < vampi-the-frog> screwish 2016-10-30T02:15:28 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:f173:1aee:e719:4177] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-30T02:17:52 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-30T02:39:25 < [7]> zyp: just fyi, 16 bit accesses to that dma interrupt status reg cause a fault 2016-10-30T02:41:24 < zyp> interesting 2016-10-30T02:48:42 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@50-251-197-179-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T02:55:22 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T03:05:38 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@bas2-toronto26-3096699215.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-30T03:11:00 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@bas2-toronto26-3096699094.dsl.bell.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T03:33:41 < aandrew> [7]: what is the address of that register? 2016-10-30T03:34:49 < [7]> 0x40026008 on f2xx 2016-10-30T03:35:18 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T03:36:19 < aandrew> [7]: ah, so much for that theory (unaligned access) 2016-10-30T03:36:55 < aandrew> unless 0x09 is unmapped 2016-10-30T03:37:04 < aandrew> (assuming 8 bit access works) 2016-10-30T03:37:20 < [7]> this was related to: <[7]> http://i.imgur.com/pZa541H.png - WTF are they thinking!? 2016-10-30T03:37:29 < [7]> 32 bit access is what works 2016-10-30T03:37:50 < aandrew> hm 2016-10-30T03:38:05 < aandrew> that is odd. it's worth asking an FAE that exact question 2016-10-30T03:40:31 < zyp> why is it odd? it's a 32-bit register 2016-10-30T03:43:47 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-30T03:47:51 < aandrew> yes, but a 16-bit access should not kill it 2016-10-30T03:48:04 < aandrew> 8/16/32 should work on a dword aligned address 2016-10-30T03:48:37 < LeelooMinai> Maybe they accessed upper 16 bits? 2016-10-30T03:54:38 -!- vampi-the-frog [~getf@188.27.1.14] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-30T03:21:28 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-129-255.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-30T03:22:38 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T03:39:04 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-30T03:43:45 < LeelooMinai> Hmm 2016-10-30T03:47:53 < LeelooMinai> I don't understand something about this FreeRTOS code for tickless sleep. They have this port.c file there for M4F, like this: http://i.imgur.com/cFRTUkS.png 2016-10-30T03:48:21 < LeelooMinai> Now, from the docs this instruction just masks all the interrupts, so what's going on there? 2016-10-30T03:48:44 < LeelooMinai> I mean the cpsid i one, unless I miss something. 2016-10-30T03:49:11 < [7]> yes, cpsid masks all irqs 2016-10-30T03:49:45 < LeelooMinai> Right, so that code confuses me - if they mask all interrupts there and use wfi... That does not make sense to me. 2016-10-30T03:50:08 < [7]> that mask will just prevent the handler from preempting the code 2016-10-30T03:50:15 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T03:50:19 < zyp> that's what I was about to suggest 2016-10-30T03:50:20 < LeelooMinai> 1) kill all interrupts 2) wait for iterrupts 3)... 4) no profit? 2016-10-30T03:50:27 < zyp> probably just masks execution of the ISR, not wakeup 2016-10-30T03:50:32 < [7]> the IRQ will still wake up from sleep mode, but it will continue executing the code in that critical section until the cpsie instruction 2016-10-30T03:50:51 < [7]> once it reaches that instruction, it will immediately take care of whatever IRQs are pending 2016-10-30T03:50:56 < LeelooMinai> A, so WFI exits even if they are masked? 2016-10-30T03:51:03 < [7]> yes 2016-10-30T03:51:12 < LeelooMinai> A, ok, I knew I was missing something... 2016-10-30T03:51:36 < [7]> it's not like the x86 "cli hlt" hardfreeze thing ;) 2016-10-30T03:52:00 < LeelooMinai> I guess it makes sense - they are not disabled, just masked. 2016-10-30T03:52:24 < LeelooMinai> Well, the docs says "disabled... 2016-10-30T03:52:42 < LeelooMinai> But maybe that's not what they mean... lol... not sure. 2016-10-30T03:52:55 < [7]> actually for that code pattern it is REQUIRED that you have that cpsid instruction before the wfi, otherwise the IRQ that should wake you up could hit *before* you execute the wfi, and then you're stuck 2016-10-30T03:53:37 < LeelooMinai> Right, but the thing that trolled was this statement: "CPSID i ; Disable interrupts and configurable fault handlers (set PRIMASK)" 2016-10-30T03:53:55 < [7]> yup, they can't *interrupt* you, they can just wake you up from sleep 2016-10-30T03:54:12 < [7]> took me a while to realize that as well ;) 2016-10-30T03:54:26 < LeelooMinai> They should just write "masks interrupts":/ 2016-10-30T03:54:45 < [7]> mask and disable is kinda the same thing 2016-10-30T03:55:00 < LeelooMinai> Well, if something is disabled how can it wake anything... 2016-10-30T03:55:35 < [7]> the fact that the thing can *interrupt* your code is disabled 2016-10-30T03:55:56 < LeelooMinai> [7]: Also, what kind of nick is that - are you new, or just old troll hiding under new name? :) 2016-10-30T03:56:12 < zyp> old 2016-10-30T03:56:17 < zyp> he's been here for years 2016-10-30T03:56:34 < zyp> masked interrupts can still get set pending so they'll trigger as soon as they are unmasked 2016-10-30T03:56:40 < LeelooMinai> Ok, but old, like 2 days old with new nick, or old that was not here for last few months? :) 2016-10-30T03:56:46 < zyp> and it's the fact that interrupts are pending that wakes you up 2016-10-30T03:56:58 < zyp> idk, he goes by TheSeven sometimes 2016-10-30T03:57:11 < [7]> LeelooMinai: I'd say I have a rather bursty activity pattern in here 2016-10-30T03:58:40 < LeelooMinai> Right, I get that, just that the terminology is kind of trappy to me. Wait for Interrupt - it seems to mean that it will wait for pending bit, but could be other things - like wait till it's starting to be handled, or it was panding and not masked, etc. - it's not that obvious to me. 2016-10-30T03:58:59 < LeelooMinai> Or wasn't. 2016-10-30T03:59:16 < [7]> hm, yeah, I guess the WFI instruction is the misnomer here, not the CPSID 2016-10-30T03:59:18 < LeelooMinai> Now it is clear, but when I was reading the code I got confused. 2016-10-30T03:59:25 < [7]> that should be more like "wait for wakeup" 2016-10-30T03:59:48 < LeelooMinai> There's alse WFE - still did not really figured that one. 2016-10-30T03:59:53 < zyp> SLEEPONEXIT seems nicer to work with IMO 2016-10-30T04:00:26 < LeelooMinai> The one that wait for irq exit? 2016-10-30T04:00:37 < zyp> after irq exit 2016-10-30T04:01:02 < LeelooMinai> Right, well, I want to follow the pattern FreeRTOS is using there - I think. 2016-10-30T04:01:37 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@50-251-197-179-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-30T04:02:31 < LeelooMinai> Those low power modes are tricky:/ To make it worse, you cannot really debug them with the debugger, since it will interact with those low power modes. 2016-10-30T04:06:02 * LeelooMinai waits for someone with nick [11] to enter the channel 2016-10-30T04:37:46 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: You have a reflex of a lamur:p 2016-10-30T04:37:50 < LeelooMinai> lemur* 2016-10-30T04:38:41 < LeelooMinai> Damn, fail - I think I meant sloth or something:p 2016-10-30T04:39:41 * LeelooMinai wonders if that's real ohsix or his "client is synchronizing" 2016-10-30T05:14:53 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-30T05:19:15 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-30T05:23:54 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T05:25:48 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T05:38:08 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/iBm0gqj.jpg 2016-10-30T05:47:01 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-30T06:23:00 < dongs> STM32 for makers Releasing your creativity 2016-10-30T06:42:59 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T06:49:44 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-30T06:59:19 < upgrdman> dongs, lol @ pic 2016-10-30T06:59:22 < LeelooMinai> Anyone here using Ozone debugger (the segger one) 2016-10-30T06:59:25 < LeelooMinai> ? 2016-10-30T07:02:01 < upgrdman> leeloo, no 2016-10-30T07:03:16 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-30T07:04:24 -!- dekar [~dekar@182.148.17.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-30T07:12:02 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T07:17:20 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.59.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T07:18:35 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-30T07:26:18 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-30T07:26:56 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T07:31:45 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, that Yiu book (The Definitive Guide to ARM Cortex-M3 and Cortex-M4 Processors) is pretty good. Downloaded PDF just to check it out, but it's actually useful for checking some stuff in detail in parallel to reference manuals. 2016-10-30T07:37:52 < LeelooMinai> "Tree saver" 2016-10-30T07:38:58 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T07:40:57 < ReadErr> ohsix: started Atlanta 2016-10-30T07:41:03 < ReadErr> pretty good 2016-10-30T07:59:12 < ReadErr> on in 2 minutes ill start 3 2016-10-30T07:59:14 < ReadErr> finishing 2 now 2016-10-30T08:04:31 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.77] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-30T08:14:22 < ReadErr> fritted 2016-10-30T08:14:34 < ReadErr> is white piece 2016-10-30T08:15:27 < LeelooMinai> ... "CO2 bubble counter is built in this device " 2016-10-30T08:15:30 < ReadErr> https://www.technicalglass.com/product_pages/fused_quartz_wool/fritted_discs.html 2016-10-30T08:15:52 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:f886:67be:b088:62d8] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T08:16:00 < LeelooMinai> For oxygenating the aquarium? 2016-10-30T08:16:55 < ReadErr> hmm nah 2016-10-30T08:17:01 < ReadErr> I wouldnt think so anyways 2016-10-30T08:17:17 < LeelooMinai> They write CO2 - why would anyone put CO2 into the aquarium... 2016-10-30T08:17:34 < ReadErr> plants? 2016-10-30T08:18:35 < LeelooMinai> Wouldn't, I don't know, fish take care of this? 2016-10-30T08:19:38 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I guess when I was small I did not get to this level - I would just make air bubbles for fish and that's all:) 2016-10-30T08:21:32 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-30T08:21:54 < ReadErr> well some people grow exotic plants 2016-10-30T08:21:57 < ReadErr> and coral 2016-10-30T08:22:00 < ReadErr> i duno if coral needs co2 2016-10-30T08:22:44 < LeelooMinai> SO, what is that spiral there for? 2016-10-30T08:23:49 < ReadErr> not sure 2016-10-30T08:25:00 < dongs> autism growers 2016-10-30T08:26:26 < LeelooMinai> Found only that it's some kind of difusion method. 2016-10-30T08:29:02 < LeelooMinai> Does not make any sense to me though:) 2016-10-30T08:30:26 < ReadErr> maybe it makes the gas swirl 2016-10-30T08:30:34 < ReadErr> and it sinks and rises up 2016-10-30T08:31:16 < ReadErr> otherwise it would bias towards the center 2016-10-30T08:31:26 < LeelooMinai> But for this you don't need a crazy spiral... 2016-10-30T08:32:45 < LeelooMinai> A, I know - figured it out:) 2016-10-30T08:32:58 < LeelooMinai> This is the "bubble counter" feature. 2016-10-30T08:33:15 < LeelooMinai> It's just so you see the bubble amount. 2016-10-30T08:33:50 < ReadErr> hmm so you put some water in it? 2016-10-30T08:34:03 < LeelooMinai> It's emerged in water in the first place... 2016-10-30T08:34:15 < LeelooMinai> So it just gets into it anyways. 2016-10-30T08:34:23 < ReadErr> yea I guess 2016-10-30T08:34:43 < ReadErr> those fritted disk depending on corseness dont pass things too easily tho 2016-10-30T08:35:26 < LeelooMinai> Yes, sure, but they are not water-tight I guess. 2016-10-30T08:35:49 < ReadErr> ohsix: in ep3, those guys 2016-10-30T08:35:57 < ReadErr> 'the migos' are actually some atl rappers 2016-10-30T08:36:21 < LeelooMinai> ReadErr: Did ohsix suck you into watching TV series about rap? :) 2016-10-30T08:36:32 < ReadErr> yea 2016-10-30T08:36:36 < LeelooMinai> lol... 2016-10-30T08:36:46 < ReadErr> its not about rap tho 2016-10-30T08:36:57 < ReadErr> well not completely, its called 'Atlanta' 2016-10-30T08:37:22 < LeelooMinai> Well, I just read briefly the description and there was something about rap and I saw a lot of black people. 2016-10-30T08:38:40 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE0N9tTs2Ho 2016-10-30T08:38:43 < ReadErr> these guys lol 2016-10-30T08:39:43 < LeelooMinai> Well, seems like what I imagined: lots of twerking, money and gold chains:) 2016-10-30T08:40:52 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T08:40:54 < ReadErr> they have a staight up traphouse in a gated community lol 2016-10-30T08:41:20 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Don't need to explain yourself;p If you like this kind of stuff, fine... 2016-10-30T08:41:46 < ReadErr> https://youtu.be/LE0N9tTs2Ho?t=142 2016-10-30T08:41:52 < ReadErr> good way to be greeted lol 2016-10-30T08:43:26 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: I was talking about the links ReadErr posted - they seemed like taken from a typical rap vido, so I am unconvinced I guess:) 2016-10-30T08:43:46 < ReadErr> oh no that vid is from Noisey Atlanta 2016-10-30T08:43:55 < ReadErr> thats the group that was in ep3 2016-10-30T08:44:01 < LeelooMinai> lol... 2016-10-30T08:44:08 < ReadErr> and the strip club thing was a video shoot 2016-10-30T08:46:08 < LeelooMinai> Well, you can get twerking and much better music though:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWFWazj7Ud8 2016-10-30T08:50:14 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-30T08:58:27 < LeelooMinai> That's a plasticy turbine connected to a motor:p 2016-10-30T08:59:17 < LeelooMinai> I like Musk roof tiles better. 2016-10-30T09:01:52 < LeelooMinai> Great, now I have WFI that does not return, ever, even though the timer fires the interrupt:/ 2016-10-30T09:02:05 * LeelooMinai sighs 2016-10-30T09:04:19 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T09:07:48 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-30T09:08:10 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T09:26:31 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.130.77] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T09:45:47 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T09:57:16 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.14.166] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T09:59:28 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-30T09:59:54 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T10:05:31 < ReadErr> that entire series 2016-10-30T10:05:41 < ReadErr> he gets so many guns pulled on him lol 2016-10-30T10:05:55 < ReadErr> wonder how many times he almost shit his pants 2016-10-30T10:14:36 < ReadErr> savage 2016-10-30T10:15:51 < ReadErr> tonight is devils night isnt it? 2016-10-30T10:17:41 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-30T10:28:54 < boB_K7IQ> Slow news night I guess... 2016-10-30T10:30:29 < kakimir> ohsix: where is the source? 2016-10-30T10:30:43 < kakimir> .py shittes 2016-10-30T10:31:11 < kakimir> I don't believe until I try... fuck I'm on windows 2016-10-30T10:31:30 < kakimir> nvm 2016-10-30T10:35:22 < kakimir> deep learnin is here? 2016-10-30T10:36:26 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: lol, jazz is not really my thing:p 2016-10-30T10:40:25 < LeelooMinai> Well, from black people making noise my favourite would be probably Tosin Abasi:) 2016-10-30T10:43:28 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: I don't know what it is, but I am glad... 2016-10-30T10:43:39 < LeelooMinai> ... that I don't know what it is. 2016-10-30T10:45:47 < LeelooMinai> I guess Animals as Leaders will be the only common band we listen too:p 2016-10-30T10:50:09 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-30T10:57:48 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-30T11:00:26 -!- bartekww [~bartekww@2a03:b0c0:3:d0::3e:8001] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T11:01:05 < bartekww> hey 2016-10-30T11:01:24 < LeelooMinai> Hey Bartosz 2016-10-30T11:01:54 < bartekww> i have to control 4 LEDS 2016-10-30T11:01:56 < bartekww> RGBW 2016-10-30T11:02:01 < bartekww> constant current 2016-10-30T11:02:20 < bartekww> i want to use high freq pwm 2016-10-30T11:02:30 < bartekww> and key it with another pwm 2016-10-30T11:02:44 < bartekww> same as in http://www.promelec.ru/pdf/LM3409.pdf 2016-10-30T11:03:08 < bartekww> stm32f103c8 have got only 4 timers, so probably i can't use it to do that 2016-10-30T11:03:10 < bartekww> yup? 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You also tend to talk a lot about shit people dont care about :P 2016-10-30T14:49:41 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T14:49:50 < Thorn> Fisher M.ARM Cortex M4 cookbook.2016.pdf Bai Y.Practical microcontroller engineering with ARM technology.2016.pdf 2016-10-30T14:50:21 < Steffanx> caxapa.ru .. what else :P 2016-10-30T14:51:02 < Laurenceb_> is dat some torrentz 2016-10-30T15:05:34 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-30T15:10:47 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-129-255.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-30T15:17:23 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-30T15:19:41 < Fleck> https://bradan.eu/idiot/ 2016-10-30T15:22:41 < Steffanx> Germans.. 2016-10-30T15:36:18 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T15:44:03 < kakimir> if I copy ssd with dd and it has lot of IO errors 2016-10-30T15:44:28 < kakimir> does the io error cause whole bs=32M size block to be rejected? 2016-10-30T15:44:41 < kakimir> so what size should I set bs to 2016-10-30T15:47:05 < dekar> kakimir, use ddrescue 2016-10-30T15:48:40 < kakimir> I wonder what causes all the IO error 2016-10-30T15:48:50 < Fleck> dead flash? :P 2016-10-30T15:49:20 < kakimir> and how my brother keeps windows running on that for 2months untils windows bakes itself 2016-10-30T15:49:59 < kakimir> smart monitor and manuf test tool say it's all okay 2016-10-30T15:50:13 < kakimir> wear percentage is still low 2016-10-30T15:50:30 < kakimir> but it has nothing to do with it? 2016-10-30T15:51:32 < dekar> It might, or might not. Depends on the firmware running on your SSD. 2016-10-30T15:52:55 < dekar> I've seen drives go from unhealthy to healthy again, remapped block count went back to zero. 2016-10-30T15:59:56 < kakimir> reinstalling windows always does the trick for 2months or so 2016-10-30T16:00:13 < kakimir> ssd firmware upgrade says in it you shouldn't run it on any system you use 2016-10-30T16:00:29 < kakimir> so it has not been done yet 2016-10-30T16:03:04 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T16:10:14 < aandrew> hm, wtf is going on 2016-10-30T16:10:22 < aandrew> cubemx can't generate project code on osx 2016-10-30T16:10:32 < aandrew> no matter what the folder is that i choose, it says it can't create shit there 2016-10-30T16:14:24 < aandrew> ah, it's unhappy with symlinks 2016-10-30T16:18:04 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-30T16:18:05 < Steffanx> Here it wont even start properly aandrew. I have to start the actual executable. 2016-10-30T16:19:07 < Steffanx> (the .app doesnt work) 2016-10-30T16:19:11 < aandrew> dd 2016-10-30T16:19:12 < aandrew> odd 2016-10-30T16:19:43 < Steffanx> It also has this "cant start" icon through the .app icon. 2016-10-30T16:20:16 < Steffanx> Here code generation does work. 2016-10-30T16:22:01 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T16:37:00 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T16:40:09 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKNFAyTTg3QW9qS3M/view?usp=sharing 2016-10-30T16:42:52 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKeU8xRmlnb3Q0Mm8/view?usp=sharing place for 5cm fan 2016-10-30T16:43:35 < kakimir> thing has hose drive to the spool axle 2016-10-30T16:43:44 < kakimir> thick rubber hose and clamps 2016-10-30T16:44:42 < kakimir> ran out of bearing units so I must finish it later and place swiper servo under the front plate too 2016-10-30T16:45:37 < aandrew> kakimir: interesting, what are you building? 2016-10-30T16:45:48 < kakimir> winch - don't you see? 2016-10-30T16:48:41 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-30T16:57:33 < kakimir> for rc gliders and stuff 2016-10-30T16:59:31 < aandrew> interesting 2016-10-30T16:59:42 < aandrew> what kind of motor control will you be using 2016-10-30T16:59:45 < Steffanx> Hah, that last sentence clarifies a lot :) 2016-10-30T17:00:05 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-30T17:00:07 < aandrew> I can see it looks like a winch 2016-10-30T17:00:13 < aandrew> wasn't sure what for 2016-10-30T17:01:21 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T17:04:37 < kakimir> aandrew: ESC32 propably 2016-10-30T17:07:36 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T17:17:58 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-30T17:30:21 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T17:32:56 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-30T17:33:12 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T17:36:53 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T17:39:19 < aandrew> kakimir: hm, yeah n this other mac this cube installer won't run either 2016-10-30T17:39:35 < aandrew> LSOpenURLsWithRole() failed with error -10810 for the file /Users/andrew/Downloads/en.stm32cubemx/SetupSTM32CubeMX-4.17.0.app 2016-10-30T17:40:00 < Steffanx> Yes, that. 2016-10-30T17:40:37 < Steffanx> but go to context/macos and run the stuff in there and it works fine. 2016-10-30T17:40:40 < Steffanx> *content 2016-10-30T17:41:09 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T17:48:52 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-30T17:53:26 < TheSeven> "Address offset: 0x08 + 0d20 × (channel number – 1)" (stm32f072 DMA) 2016-10-30T17:53:45 < TheSeven> "0d20", seriously? 2016-10-30T17:54:11 < TheSeven> is that supposed to say "decimal 20", and if so, why not just express it as hex like everything else? 2016-10-30T17:54:45 < TheSeven> they're also numbering channels 1-based on f0xx and 0-based on f2xx, very clever 2016-10-30T17:54:56 < Steffanx> It's also a way to say 0x20 with a semi-easy to make typo. 2016-10-30T17:55:37 < TheSeven> according to the register map it's decimal 20, so just expressed in a *very* weird way 2016-10-30T17:56:27 < Steffanx> Yeah, Better rename your nick to The0b7 :P 2016-10-30T17:56:35 < Steffanx> *d 2016-10-30T17:56:50 < TheSeven> [0d7] :P 2016-10-30T17:56:53 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-30T17:56:55 < Steffanx> or that. 2016-10-30T17:57:36 < jpa-> i just realized that 007 is invalid 2016-10-30T18:01:59 < Steffanx> Awh. 2016-10-30T18:03:49 < Steffanx> Better write some 007 GCC extension then jpa-. 2016-10-30T18:07:49 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T18:19:25 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-30T18:20:53 < TheSeven> f072 doesn't have a TRNG, right? 2016-10-30T18:21:19 < TheSeven> hm, I guess for the level of randomness that I need here the lowest bits of the systick timer will do ;) 2016-10-30T18:38:22 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T18:40:24 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.156.240] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T18:50:27 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-30T18:55:27 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T18:59:20 < ReadErr> ohsix: looool transracial 2016-10-30T19:02:35 < Fleck> anyone done lookup table with interpolation? 2016-10-30T19:09:21 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T19:10:54 < aandrew> hm 2016-10-30T19:11:34 < aandrew> got this stm32f207 source building, it was complaining about _sbrk not being defined (freertos should be handling that, shouldn't it?) 2016-10-30T19:11:51 < aandrew> I added a libnosys.a to the linker script but not sure if that's the right way to go about it 2016-10-30T19:19:39 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-30T19:26:25 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T19:45:32 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-30T19:48:57 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-30T19:49:48 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-30T19:50:16 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T20:08:45 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T20:14:17 < Thorn> maker themed softcore porn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAVkoIq0PeQ 2016-10-30T20:16:23 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T20:21:44 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-30T20:28:29 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T20:35:01 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T20:45:03 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.156.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-30T20:49:57 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.65] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T20:50:10 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-30T21:03:20 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8201:b9e6:f886:67be:b088:62d8] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-30T21:09:16 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T21:09:50 -!- intart [~intart@148.103.127.48] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-30T21:13:46 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-30T21:21:25 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-30T21:22:58 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_ 2016-10-30T21:28:10 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T21:51:33 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-30T22:10:42 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T22:20:48 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-30T22:24:23 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ac3bc.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T22:27:32 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T22:34:43 < upgrdman> so in C, to get object-like functionality, the common way seems to be structs, containing the data and sometimes even function pointers. is this the only way to do object-ish stuff in C? 2016-10-30T22:35:03 < PaulFertser> gobject ;) 2016-10-30T22:35:10 < upgrdman> i mean it seems like the only way, but just from a philosofuckle point of view, im curious 2016-10-30T22:49:56 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-30T22:51:18 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-30T23:10:09 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.14.166] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-30T23:10:16 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T23:17:30 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T23:19:51 < LeelooMinai> Fleck: It's pretty simple - if you have something between two indexes, you "pretend" that there's a straight line between the surrounding values and calculate according to that. 2016-10-30T23:20:07 < Fleck> i know it is ;D 2016-10-30T23:20:14 < LeelooMinai> At least that's the simplest idea. 2016-10-30T23:20:29 < LeelooMinai> Fleck: So, what were you asking for? :p 2016-10-30T23:20:41 < Fleck> if someone has done it ;P 2016-10-30T23:21:08 < LeelooMinai> Sure, I have done it in the past. 2016-10-30T23:21:28 < Fleck> nice, where did you got idea/code? 2016-10-30T23:21:34 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-30T23:21:51 < LeelooMinai> Let me think - I think it was for my reflow oven controller when I was looking up values for, hmm, I think thermocouple. 2016-10-30T23:22:33 < LeelooMinai> Fleck: You don't need to get code for it - you just, well, code it. You can write equation on paper and solve, and that's it. 2016-10-30T23:23:15 < Fleck> short story - there was a guy, he sugested lookup tables and interpolations, now, every code I write hes now saying - it's his code just changed a bit ;P 2016-10-30T23:23:23 < zyp> it's not like linear interpolation is hard 2016-10-30T23:23:42 < LeelooMinai> Fleck: lol 2016-10-30T23:23:43 < Fleck> [17:44:16] <> yes, that is my code. just manipulated a bit. 2016-10-30T23:24:06 < zyp> linear interpolatin between A and B is just a weighted average, weighted by how close you're to each 2016-10-30T23:24:07 < LeelooMinai> It's not like if you solve those equations, you will come up with something unique... 2016-10-30T23:24:24 < Fleck> [17:54:17] as long as you're solving this by looping a table of conversion factors and interpolating, I'll know that it is mine 2016-10-30T23:25:04 < LeelooMinai> Fleck: Imo he needs to come down to Earth:p 2016-10-30T23:25:05 < zyp> there's a term for that kind of guys 2016-10-30T23:25:10 < zyp> it's called «asshole» 2016-10-30T23:25:18 < Fleck> ;p 2016-10-30T23:26:22 < BrainDamage> i invented the wheel 2016-10-30T23:26:31 < BrainDamage> 10000 years of plagiarism 2016-10-30T23:26:54 < LeelooMinai> He should work for Apple pattent crew:) 2016-10-30T23:28:21 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T23:41:41 < Steffanx> Awh, no one bites.. LeelooMinai 2016-10-30T23:42:02 < LeelooMinai> Good news - it was unbitable:p 2016-10-30T23:42:58 < Steffanx> Tell that the designer of their logo. 2016-10-30T23:43:50 < LeelooMinai> That is a bite? I thought it was just a rotten part:) 2016-10-30T23:44:01 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-30T23:45:07 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-30T23:49:10 < Steffanx> Enjoy your afternoon and evening ms. LeelooMinai. 2016-10-30T23:50:16 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: That's very... formal. 2016-10-30T23:50:44 * LeelooMinai lols at Dawkings banned from conferences for posting a cartoon about Islamists and feminists 2016-10-30T23:51:49 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] --- Day changed Mon Oct 31 2016 2016-10-31T00:00:25 < kakimir> stroopgates 2016-10-31T00:01:10 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-31T00:01:28 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, that's old 2016-10-31T00:01:59 < LeelooMinai> Right, seems january, but encountered it just now. 2016-10-31T00:03:31 < jadew> I set my mind to make a youtube video and I did it 2016-10-31T00:03:58 < jadew> 2 full days of work for 15 minutes of fail 2016-10-31T00:04:26 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Go ahead - post a link, so the trolling may begin:) 2016-10-31T00:04:35 < jadew> it's still rendering 2016-10-31T00:05:20 < jadew> and I'm sure I'll notice something weird when it's done 2016-10-31T00:05:35 < LeelooMinai> I made one video for lols when I was beginning EE too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrvWw0ntIRI 2016-10-31T00:05:38 < jadew> aside from the fact that it sucks, which I already know 2016-10-31T00:06:25 < jadew> I made a rocker for the etching tank too 2016-10-31T00:06:30 < LeelooMinai> But it was more of a joke. I said that I am lazy and will make something to create waves from old CD on the weekend, and no one believed me:) 2016-10-31T00:07:01 < Steffanx> Ok. Better give my your address englishman. 2016-10-31T00:07:25 < jadew> englishman, converting a camera battery into an adapter 2016-10-31T00:08:12 < LeelooMinai> I have no idea what that meant:p 2016-10-31T00:08:27 < LeelooMinai> What adapter... 2016-10-31T00:09:24 < jadew> plug adapter, so I can feed it from a DC adapter 2016-10-31T00:09:41 < BrainDamage> etching tank rocker? back when i care about diy pcb i just silicone glued an aquarium hose to the bottom of a tall kitchen container 2016-10-31T00:09:43 < jadew> except I added a small regulator in there too, to make sure I feed it 7.2V 2016-10-31T00:10:07 < BrainDamage> bonus points you get fresh oxygen for the reaction and works as an agitator 2016-10-31T00:10:17 < jadew> BrainDamage, good idea 2016-10-31T00:10:39 < BrainDamage> you just have to run the stream enough strong to ensure none will remain stuck 2016-10-31T00:10:46 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T00:12:07 < LeelooMinai> I was doing this too: http://i.imgur.com/JRLNe.jpg 2016-10-31T00:12:51 < LeelooMinai> But now it sits in the basement, because oshpark and similar:) 2016-10-31T00:13:03 < jadew> I was never successful in etching with hydrochloric acide and hydrogen peroxide 2016-10-31T00:13:11 < BrainDamage> yup, thanks to china it makeslittle sense to diy pcb nowdays 2016-10-31T00:13:21 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-31T00:13:58 < BrainDamage> i was kinda proud of my process 2016-10-31T00:14:06 < BrainDamage> i tone transferred chemically 2016-10-31T00:14:25 < BrainDamage> and even had trough hole rivets 2016-10-31T00:14:39 < BrainDamage> ( but not electroplated ) 2016-10-31T00:15:26 < jadew> I only did one dual sided PCB at home 2016-10-31T00:15:33 < upgrdman> ohsix, property bag? 2016-10-31T00:15:43 < jadew> it's even less enjoyable than single sided PCBs 2016-10-31T00:16:53 < Steffanx> Yes. I think so 2016-10-31T00:17:00 < sync> englishman: I did some decapping, yes 2016-10-31T00:17:05 < upgrdman> ohsix, so a map? 2016-10-31T00:18:22 < BrainDamage> jadew: the trick is just drill the alignment patterns before transfering the mask 2016-10-31T00:18:56 < upgrdman> ya, not much "information hiding" in c :) 2016-10-31T00:20:30 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I did some. I was using four drill holes and a light box to align the sides: http://i.imgur.com/pSqGqrB.jpg 2016-10-31T00:20:51 -!- Steffannn [uid97872@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jhywphklddaddiql] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T00:21:26 < LeelooMinai> And vias would be just pieces of wire soldered on both side. 2016-10-31T00:21:33 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-31T00:21:47 < jadew> yeah, but it takes so much to do them... 2016-10-31T00:21:54 < ReadErr> the swisher sweet one too 2016-10-31T00:21:55 < ReadErr> lol 2016-10-31T00:21:57 < ReadErr> so true 2016-10-31T00:22:04 < BrainDamage> i used a copper rivet for vias 2016-10-31T00:22:18 < jadew> what diameter? 2016-10-31T00:22:19 < BrainDamage> take an automatic center punch, insert rivet, press 2016-10-31T00:22:19 < BrainDamage> done 2016-10-31T00:22:25 < BrainDamage> depends onthe via 2016-10-31T00:22:30 < BrainDamage> i had 1mm and 0.5 2016-10-31T00:22:35 < jadew> nice 2016-10-31T00:22:38 * LeelooMinai points out that instead of using C to do OOP, much better idea is using selective C++. 2016-10-31T00:23:22 < LeelooMinai> Even if you use C this way it will still suck because no namespaces, etc. 2016-10-31T00:24:12 < LeelooMinai> I mean on micros - who cares about properties:) 2016-10-31T00:25:23 < LeelooMinai> But it's not that complicated. So why bother when C++ will give you nice syntax for it and tons of other pluses. 2016-10-31T00:26:33 < LeelooMinai> It gives you much cleaner syntax. 2016-10-31T00:27:04 < LeelooMinai> For me it's a big plus. The less noise, the more win imo:) 2016-10-31T00:27:09 < jadew> is this a C vs C++ discussion? 2016-10-31T00:27:41 < LeelooMinai> I thought it was "doing OOP in C discussuin":) 2016-10-31T00:28:19 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T00:29:59 < LeelooMinai> Personally I think that some people are so aversive to C++ that they just refuse to use it for year after year and did not notice that in latest standards, like C++11/14 there are features that make perfect sense for microcontrollers, like constexpr, that make it worth using C++ just for that. 2016-10-31T00:30:56 < LeelooMinai> I have seen that with Verilog vs SystemVerilog too - aversion to change:) 2016-10-31T00:31:27 < zyp> people I've discussed with are arguing that they would rather stick to a language that they're comfortable with 2016-10-31T00:32:12 < LeelooMinai> That's fine, unless they also make up storries how C++ is horrible (because they assume some silly usage and extreme cases.) 2016-10-31T00:32:55 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I have no sound on that video for some reason 2016-10-31T00:33:28 < LeelooMinai> Because telling people how great it can be is more constructive imo:) 2016-10-31T00:34:02 < LeelooMinai> So, does that video have sound for others? 2016-10-31T00:34:21 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah 2016-10-31T00:34:32 < zyp> LeelooMinai, telling people they should use C++ because they need namespaces is a pretty bad way of arguing 2016-10-31T00:34:34 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, other videos for me are fine, but this one - no sound, weird. 2016-10-31T00:34:59 < zyp> I mean, telling people what they need in general is a pretty bad way of arguing 2016-10-31T00:35:01 < LeelooMinai> zyp: namespaces is just one feature. And one great feature nonetheless. 2016-10-31T00:35:10 < zyp> that's besides the point 2016-10-31T00:35:28 < LeelooMinai> zyp: How is that besides a point. Maybe they underestimate it, so more info is good? 2016-10-31T00:36:08 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-129-255.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T00:36:22 < zyp> because who are you to argue what other people needs? 2016-10-31T00:36:26 < LeelooMinai> If I had C vs C + namespaces, obviously I would select the second option. 2016-10-31T00:37:02 < LeelooMinai> zyp: I am someone that used C, used C++ and typed a lot of code, and I believe I have a pretty decent sense what is productive/elegant. 2016-10-31T00:38:36 < LeelooMinai> I mean I understand that some features can be questionable, but who sane on earth would say that having a means of better scope control or having better alternative to macros is bad? 2016-10-31T00:38:56 < zyp> that comes across as «I've written a ton of C++ and my code style is awesome, and so you must switch to C++ so you can write code in my awesome style too» 2016-10-31T00:38:58 < LeelooMinai> Imo if they say that, they are just wrong. 2016-10-31T00:39:14 < LeelooMinai> But it's not about style... 2016-10-31T00:39:35 < zyp> I'm not arguing against namespaces, I'm arguing against your argumentation style 2016-10-31T00:39:43 < zyp> and sure it is 2016-10-31T00:39:44 < LeelooMinai> It's about the fact that C is very ancient so no surprise that C++ had some features added that are just better. 2016-10-31T00:40:05 < zyp> namespace usage is definitely subject to code style 2016-10-31T00:40:16 < zyp> I write C++, but I very rarely use explicit namespaces 2016-10-31T00:40:25 < LeelooMinai> No it's not about style. 2016-10-31T00:40:48 < LeelooMinai> It's about modularisation and avoiding name collisions. 2016-10-31T00:41:01 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T00:41:13 < LeelooMinai> If you don't see that, that I don't know how you have been programming until now:) 2016-10-31T00:41:30 < LeelooMinai> I_guess_like_this 2016-10-31T00:41:59 < zyp> because::this::is::so::much::more::readable? 2016-10-31T00:42:22 < LeelooMinai> zyp: lol... I see you don't have much of an idea how namespaces can be used. Surely not like that... 2016-10-31T00:42:54 < LeelooMinai> How about namespace readable = because::this::is::so::much::more::readable: and roll on? 2016-10-31T00:43:13 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has quit [Quit: Goodbye Cruel World] 2016-10-31T00:43:21 < LeelooMinai> Now do this with camelcase or underscores. 2016-10-31T00:43:29 < Lux> can you even name a good example ? 2016-10-31T00:43:53 < LeelooMinai> I just gave an example how one would deal with nested namepsaces. 2016-10-31T00:43:58 < zyp> LeelooMinai, my point was still not about namespaces 2016-10-31T00:44:22 < Lux> LeelooMinai: code... 2016-10-31T00:44:45 < zyp> LeelooMinai, don't get me wrong, I like namespaces, it's a useful feature to have when I need it 2016-10-31T00:44:51 < LeelooMinai> It is - they give you control over name scoping and collisions and that's not style. 2016-10-31T00:45:26 < LeelooMinai> Imo that's just not on the level of style. 2016-10-31T00:46:28 < zyp> namespace granularity is a matter of style 2016-10-31T00:46:30 < LeelooMinai> Lux: well, I have many examples, but here, from my current project. The configuration section between the main function: http://i.imgur.com/khSi2Eh.png 2016-10-31T00:46:45 < LeelooMinai> I mean if this is not neat and clear (and type safe), I don't know what is. 2016-10-31T00:47:16 < LeelooMinai> And not that I use Config few times, but I don't care that it has same name because, well, namespaces, so less noise. 2016-10-31T00:48:27 < LeelooMinai> And pinout: http://i.imgur.com/sWL40SZ.png 2016-10-31T00:48:47 < LeelooMinai> Note that this is 100% type safe - you cannot misconfigure anything really. 2016-10-31T00:49:56 < LeelooMinai> Also, the killer - this is done during compilation stage. That is, the register values are computed then and you end up with "pre-cooked" rodata in FLASH. 2016-10-31T00:50:34 < zyp> why the distinction between PinSpec and Pin btw? 2016-10-31T00:51:00 < LeelooMinai> PinSpec can be used in other places too (by other peripherals,) so I made it separate. 2016-10-31T00:51:06 < aandrew> ugh 2016-10-31T00:51:11 < sync> I find that code highly confusing 2016-10-31T00:51:15 < zyp> but how do they differ? 2016-10-31T00:51:24 < aandrew> I can't call osDelay() or anything relating to delays without it hard crashing 2016-10-31T00:51:52 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-31T00:51:59 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Pin represents a pin, while PinSpec is specification of a pin. You can use pin to toggle, read, write, etc. 2016-10-31T00:52:00 < Lux> it's definetly code that's not easier to understand for the masses 2016-10-31T00:52:26 < LeelooMinai> Lux: lol, C is not easier understood for my mom, so what:p 2016-10-31T00:52:28 < zyp> LeelooMinai, so PinSpec is just a Port/PinIndex tuple? 2016-10-31T00:52:39 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Yes, pretty much. 2016-10-31T00:52:39 < Lux> C is definetly clearer 2016-10-31T00:52:53 < zyp> idk, I think it looks pretty clear, just verbose as fuck 2016-10-31T00:53:11 < zyp> LeelooMinai, what's the benefit of that? 2016-10-31T00:53:29 < LeelooMinai> Verbose... lol. I don't know if you realize that that code does all the configuration effectivelly too. 2016-10-31T00:53:45 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: I need home baked flat earth test? 2016-10-31T00:54:11 < kakimir> flat earth movement is strong 2016-10-31T00:54:13 < zyp> LeelooMinai, of course, but it looks like a lot of code to initialize a few pins 2016-10-31T00:54:22 < LeelooMinai> ... 2016-10-31T00:54:34 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Did you see the code needed in C for that? 2016-10-31T00:54:57 < zyp> no, I'm not comparing it to bad code :p 2016-10-31T00:55:10 < LeelooMinai> If you can show me something more clear or elegant and even a lot shorter, go ahead. 2016-10-31T00:55:16 < LeelooMinai> O, and make it typesafe too. 2016-10-31T00:55:56 < LeelooMinai> I don't know, but sometimes I think that C-people are elegance impaired or something:) 2016-10-31T00:55:57 -!- jaeckel [~jaeckel@unaffiliated/jaeckel] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T00:56:24 < LeelooMinai> Like type safety, focused naming, less noise, etc. do not matter at all. 2016-10-31T00:57:23 < LeelooMinai> Just type 100 macros, names that take half the screen, copy paste some code, and "she will be o-right":p 2016-10-31T00:57:27 < sync> as if type safety would matter 2016-10-31T00:57:51 < LeelooMinai> It matters when you code - saves you from making mistakes. 2016-10-31T00:58:00 < zyp> LeelooMinai, http://paste.jvnv.net/view/JQuWT 2016-10-31T00:58:13 < LeelooMinai> Also, little thing: you get code completion and you don't need to double-check everything. 2016-10-31T00:58:17 < zyp> (excerpt from http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/main.cpp) 2016-10-31T00:58:34 < LeelooMinai> That's C++ 2016-10-31T00:58:52 < zyp> of course 2016-10-31T00:58:56 < zyp> what else would it be? 2016-10-31T00:59:08 < LeelooMinai> I thought we talk C vs C++:) 2016-10-31T00:59:15 < LeelooMinai> Well, Lux at least 2016-10-31T00:59:22 < LeelooMinai> And sync 2016-10-31T00:59:31 < zyp> I've never argued for C, I'm just saying you're bad at arguing for C++ 2016-10-31T00:59:55 < zyp> but you didn't care and got hung up on telling everybody how awesome namespaces are 2016-10-31T01:00:00 < sync> LeelooMinai: I don't think it matters for something like that 2016-10-31T01:00:07 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Is that code ran in compilation stage? 2016-10-31T01:00:15 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Because if not, it's not comparable to mine. 2016-10-31T01:00:37 < LeelooMinai> Mine takes 0 cycles, so fail:) 2016-10-31T01:01:17 < zyp> why is it not comparable? it does the same fucking job, and it's not like I care about shaving a few cycles of what's pretty much only ran once after booting the chip 2016-10-31T01:01:18 < jadew> it compiles to jmp -1 2016-10-31T01:01:24 < LeelooMinai> zyp: But namespaces are awsome... 2016-10-31T01:01:45 < jadew> or jmp -2 I guess 2016-10-31T01:02:09 < LeelooMinai> zyp: lol, but you can have both 0 cycles + elegance, so now what - you aregue that that's worse? 2016-10-31T01:02:30 < zyp> yes, I were arguing that your code is too verbose 2016-10-31T01:02:35 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: there is always one side of moon visible to earth and never another side 2016-10-31T01:02:45 < zyp> you told me to show you something less verbose, and I did 2016-10-31T01:02:48 < LeelooMinai> But it's not verbose - there's just more whitespace lines there. 2016-10-31T01:03:03 < jadew> kakimir, that's where the aliens are 2016-10-31T01:03:31 < LeelooMinai> zyp: It's not comparable to mine, as I already explained. And 2) I was talking show me _C_ code and you went ahead with C++. 2016-10-31T01:03:50 < kakimir> maybe it's easier to build skymachine with static object like that 2016-10-31T01:04:08 < kakimir> just a plate 2016-10-31T01:04:42 < kakimir> a ball you should support from some point 2016-10-31T01:04:49 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Sometimes I get impression that you just like arguing for the sake of arguing:) 2016-10-31T01:05:01 < kakimir> jadew: I know behind it 2016-10-31T01:05:05 < LeelooMinai> Well, no, scratch that - every time:/ 2016-10-31T01:05:32 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I do, is that a bad thing? 2016-10-31T01:05:41 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Kind of... 2016-10-31T01:06:10 < jadew> I also like to argue, in fact, I'd like to join a debate club 2016-10-31T01:06:19 < jadew> but we don't have such things in here 2016-10-31T01:06:24 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Become a politician then:p 2016-10-31T01:06:38 < Lux> there must be some channel :P 2016-10-31T01:06:41 < LeelooMinai> You will argue, argue and then hang yourself. 2016-10-31T01:07:08 < jadew> well, it's not about arguing, but about gaining the skill needed to explain things more clearly 2016-10-31T01:07:17 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I think it's a good thing that arguments are challenged, and I don't think it's necessary to have opposing opinions to be able to challenge arguments 2016-10-31T01:07:21 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Good luck with that:p 2016-10-31T01:07:50 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I give you a challenge: explain to a Trump supporter why his candidate is a troll:) 2016-10-31T01:08:13 < jadew> I have a very hard time finding good debaters in real life 2016-10-31T01:08:20 < jadew> everyone I know fails at logic 2016-10-31T01:09:00 < LeelooMinai> They probably say of you to others "that guy that is a nerd and thinks that he can eplain everything with logic" 2016-10-31T01:09:05 < jadew> and they alwyas fail to stay on point 2016-10-31T01:09:24 < zyp> LeelooMinai, and I still disagree that my code is not comparable to yours 2016-10-31T01:09:52 < jadew> LeelooMinai, they say it straight to my face 2016-10-31T01:10:01 < Lux> arguing definetly isn't soely about logic, especially face to face 2016-10-31T01:10:13 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Well, mine is not run-time, so that's a huge +. 2016-10-31T01:10:16 < jadew> Lux, that's true 2016-10-31T01:10:24 < jadew> but ultimately, logic has to win the argument 2016-10-31T01:10:31 < LeelooMinai> jadew: But why? 2016-10-31T01:10:34 < jadew> otherwise everyone loses 2016-10-31T01:10:43 < LeelooMinai> They can argue that it's "like your opinion, man" ;) 2016-10-31T01:10:46 < zyp> LeelooMinai, sure, yours might be faster, but in the end the result is the same 2016-10-31T01:11:05 < Lux> jadew: there are lots of techniques how that can be avoided 2016-10-31T01:11:07 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T01:11:15 < Lux> just look at the political debates 2016-10-31T01:11:17 < LeelooMinai> zyp: ... But mine has not shortomings reall in comparison to that code otherwise, so I consider it at least better. 2016-10-31T01:11:45 < zyp> LeelooMinai, and I actually did consider writing code to do multiple pins at once, but I decided it wasn't worth the effort considering it would only run once anyway 2016-10-31T01:11:52 < jadew> Lux, yeah, I'm not really interested in persuading or forcing my point of view 2016-10-31T01:11:55 < LeelooMinai> jadew: If you think logic will somehow help you win people over, I think you are on a wrong path... 2016-10-31T01:12:00 < jadew> I'm more interested in getting to the bottom of things 2016-10-31T01:12:28 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I'm not, I don't care about winning people over 2016-10-31T01:12:30 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I mean, realisticly your code saves maybe a couple of microseconds per chip reset 2016-10-31T01:12:40 < jadew> in fact, I don't care if I alienate people with logic 2016-10-31T01:12:48 < jadew> that's a better way of putting it 2016-10-31T01:12:50 < zyp> LeelooMinai, and my argument against your code is that it's too verbose 2016-10-31T01:13:01 < LeelooMinai> I mean look at Trump: he is ignorant, clueless on many issues, etc., etc. and he has a shot at being a president of a most powerful country in the world (kind of still, I think) 2016-10-31T01:13:11 < jadew> if someone gets offended by reason, it's a win win 2016-10-31T01:13:26 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-31T01:14:02 < LeelooMinai> zyp: It's not verbose. It's pretty compact, it's just that it used nice descriptive names that leave 0 doubt to the reader. Now, that is a style issue. 2016-10-31T01:14:40 < zyp> explicitly having to state that you want no pullup is verbose 2016-10-31T01:15:11 < zyp> also push-pull 2016-10-31T01:16:30 < LeelooMinai> zyp: E, you are missing the point: those are structures and I used direct {} because I did not mind initializing everything. But you can have overload3ed constructors and I could assume that default pullup is none, if I want - it's a 1 minute change, but, as I wrote, this is just a minor preference/style issue. 2016-10-31T01:16:56 < LeelooMinai> And in C++11/14 you can have same sybtax for those constructors even: {} 2016-10-31T01:17:11 < LeelooMinai> So, it's flexible - whatever one likes I guess. 2016-10-31T01:17:15 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwC5mCLWAAA6UXW.jpg 2016-10-31T01:17:22 < Laurenceb_> troll mode: isis 2016-10-31T01:17:47 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: You think that people read arabic here? :p 2016-10-31T01:17:59 < LeelooMinai> Maybe some... but not many probably. 2016-10-31T01:18:29 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: You think that "elegance" does not apply to coding? :) 2016-10-31T01:20:03 < jadew> well, if it's provided to you by default, why not take advantage of it? 2016-10-31T01:20:10 < LeelooMinai> Sure, that's a balance act there. I am not talking about extremes. 2016-10-31T01:20:35 < LeelooMinai> But if you can do something cleaner with some minor effort, imo do it. 2016-10-31T01:20:42 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: bec0me a hero today? 2016-10-31T01:21:17 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_ is like a random link machine gun:p 2016-10-31T01:21:41 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-31T01:21:47 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I don't know what I missed, it's your style I'm arguing against 2016-10-31T01:23:24 < jadew> I think she was refering to simple expressions that imply certain behaviour, that is both well known and free of errors 2016-10-31T01:23:36 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Style? I thought it was more about technique. I am not going argue about style. You like non-descriptive names, well, whatever I guess. 2016-10-31T01:24:06 < zyp> what's non-descriptive? 2016-10-31T01:24:59 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Yours: usb_dp.set_mode(Pin::AF);, mine: OutputType::PushPull, Resistor::None, Speed::VeryHigh, AlternateFunction::_0} <- notice full names instead of AF 2016-10-31T01:25:45 < LeelooMinai> So it may look more code to you, but not to me, because it reads for me better, and I have autocomplete there so I don't have to type any of this in full. 2016-10-31T01:26:16 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: The whole point is that you don't have to consult the datasheet. 2016-10-31T01:27:27 < LeelooMinai> No, I am setting a speed of a pin to VeryHigh, seems to me that is all I want there, not to know details how to do that and what the value is:) 2016-10-31T01:27:32 < zyp> LeelooMinai, are you seriously arguing about writing AF vs AlternateFunction? 2016-10-31T01:27:49 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T01:28:03 < LeelooMinai> zyp: On the contrary, I am saying I don't want to argue about things like that. I just wrote that few line above. 2016-10-31T01:28:25 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T01:28:29 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Yes, I know it's higher than Medium:p 2016-10-31T01:29:04 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Sure, but there are different layers of detail. I am just saying that if you have a means to at least deal with one more layer of details, do it. 2016-10-31T01:29:07 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.65] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-31T01:30:04 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Don't take it to extreme and adgue that there's no actual speed mentioned there - that's not fair:) The point is about doing better than otherwise, to some reasonable extent. 2016-10-31T01:30:22 < zyp> haha 2016-10-31T01:30:35 < zyp> C++ is so much less work 2016-10-31T01:30:41 < zyp> so much less boilerplate and shit 2016-10-31T01:31:31 < jadew> ohsix, you find it hard because you're not familiar enough with the language 2016-10-31T01:31:38 < zyp> I mean, for all the shit I'm giving LeelooMinai, the code is still pretty neat compared to any C code 2016-10-31T01:32:01 < Lux> still you can do stuff in c++ anyone will have a hard time understanding 2016-10-31T01:32:13 < Lux> which you can't as easily in c 2016-10-31T01:32:22 < zyp> LeelooMinai, hey, I just remembered something, what did you say about use of templates? 2016-10-31T01:32:29 < LeelooMinai> And you can do in C a lot of stuff that many BASIC coders have tough time understanding... so what. 2016-10-31T01:32:38 < jadew> that's true, but you can also do amazingly complex stuff, which can be hard to understand simply because they're complex, not because they're poorly implemented or because the language sucks 2016-10-31T01:32:49 < jadew> the reason they are posible to begin with, is because the language is awesome 2016-10-31T01:32:53 < LeelooMinai> zyp: That they are abused for things they were not meant for. 2016-10-31T01:33:04 < zyp> LeelooMinai, no, about your own use of templates 2016-10-31T01:33:38 < LeelooMinai> zyp: That I prefer to use constexpr for micros. I use templates in few places but just for minor improvements. 2016-10-31T01:34:00 < zyp> LeelooMinai, that sounds a lot like the relationship I've got to namespaces 2016-10-31T01:34:26 < zyp> LeelooMinai, so what if I tell you «no, you need templates, they are awesome!» 2016-10-31T01:34:39 < zyp> because that's kind of what you do with namespaces 2016-10-31T01:35:18 < LeelooMinai> zyp: No, imo templates are more crucial. They are not just something you may want to use or not, depending on your preferences. One should use them imo, period:) 2016-10-31T01:35:18 < jadew> ohsix, C is bound to become messy 2016-10-31T01:35:50 < jadew> mainly because even if it's not an object oriented language, it still works with objects of various kinds and it's very hard to maintain a strict convention on how things are done across a large project 2016-10-31T01:36:13 < jadew> also, if the convention changes only slightly, you can introduce a lot of errors 2016-10-31T01:36:30 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Meh, you took my statement that I prefere full names and twisted it into something I did not mean. I just meant that full name like AlternateFunction vs AF digs into one more layer (not having to know the acronym.) 2016-10-31T01:37:01 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I mean, typesafe is apparently a word you like, I've got typesafe ISRs in my lib, due to templates 2016-10-31T01:37:02 < LeelooMinai> You responded to something you did not read? 2016-10-31T01:37:41 < zyp> LeelooMinai, template <> void interrupt() { /* systick ISR */ } 2016-10-31T01:38:25 < jadew> ohsix, most projects that take more than a few months to build are like that 2016-10-31T01:38:48 < LeelooMinai> zyp: And I said that I don't like how templates are abused, not necessarily not like them at all. I use some in my code: http://i.imgur.com/ntY0xOh.png 2016-10-31T01:38:53 < zyp> LeelooMinai, the template argument is an enum (two, actually, one for Exceptions and one for IRQs), and compilation will fail if you're putting in something there that's not a valid enum value 2016-10-31T01:38:59 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8700:4d98:1cb4:b155:dedc:56d0] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T01:39:03 < LeelooMinai> But doing crazy meta-progamming with them - no, just no...:) 2016-10-31T01:39:19 < zyp> idk, there's probably a use for that too 2016-10-31T01:39:59 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I mean, you've been talking so much about compile time calculations, and that's the whole purpose of metaprogramming 2016-10-31T01:40:12 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Then I use FieldSpec in the compile time code like this: http://i.imgur.com/jB10Jfh.png 2016-10-31T01:40:29 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Look, I have enums there with actual units:p 2016-10-31T01:41:20 < LeelooMinai> It's all to make code less error-prone. I don't know why people don't think that's a good thing:/ 2016-10-31T01:41:31 < zyp> LeelooMinai, that's kinda cute 2016-10-31T01:41:54 < LeelooMinai> Well, it minimalizes mistakes with 0 runtime overhead. 2016-10-31T01:42:06 < LeelooMinai> I thought that every programmer would like that... 2016-10-31T01:42:14 < LeelooMinai> Especiallyu on micros, but no... 2016-10-31T01:43:24 < zyp> though, what do you do when you set multiple fields in a register? 2016-10-31T01:43:25 < aandrew> make flash 2016-10-31T01:44:01 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Since this is compile-time, dos not matter if you do this mutliple times. 2016-10-31T01:44:37 < zyp> LeelooMinai, you can't use FieldSpec runtime? 2016-10-31T01:44:39 < LeelooMinai> zyp: But I hgad code too that could use multiple fields, in some other project, just did not deem it sensible to overcomplicate that. 2016-10-31T01:45:25 < LeelooMinai> zyp: You can, but it's not really meant for that in this code. 2016-10-31T01:45:59 < zyp> LeelooMinai, okay, so how do you deal with runtime stuff then? 2016-10-31T01:46:16 < zyp> I mean 2016-10-31T01:46:36 < zyp> so far you've shown me a bunch of cool stuff to initially configure a bunch of stuff 2016-10-31T01:46:58 < zyp> but what do you do after everything is configured and your application executes? 2016-10-31T01:47:07 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Yes, the runtime just does not use some of those internal classes. 2016-10-31T01:47:29 < LeelooMinai> zyp: I mean you can use, say, Pin, but other stuff is coded for runtime differently. 2016-10-31T01:47:58 < zyp> hmm, by the way 2016-10-31T01:48:09 < zyp> I just noticed your OoIrqHandler::thunk thing 2016-10-31T01:48:12 < zyp> wtf is that for? 2016-10-31T01:48:38 < zyp> ohsix, no. 2016-10-31T01:48:59 < zyp> LeelooMinai, runtime creation of wrappers that'll call a member function? 2016-10-31T01:49:17 < LeelooMinai> zyp: lol, that was interesting - it's a bridge between FreeROTS and OOP - I made it possible to create small in-ram code that will have embedded "this", so C-callback will go directly into the right object. 2016-10-31T01:49:45 < LeelooMinai> Had some "adventures" on the way, but it was fun. 2016-10-31T01:50:11 < zyp> that's an interesting way of solving it 2016-10-31T01:50:42 < LeelooMinai> zyp: http://i.imgur.com/fQvBgqN.png :) 2016-10-31T01:51:26 < zyp> LeelooMinai, is the vector table placed in ram or flash? 2016-10-31T01:51:50 < zyp> ohsix, static method means extra boilerplate, my code currently requires that and I hate it :p 2016-10-31T01:52:02 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-31T01:52:31 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Flash, but I use those mostly for FreeRTOS callbacks - like timers, etc. I use them for irqs too, but did not bother to put the vector table in RAM as it would be a bit crazt. 2016-10-31T01:52:49 < zyp> ohsix, requires shit like this: http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/arcin/main.cpp?h=conf&id=1cb55ca#n145 2016-10-31T01:53:26 < zyp> LeelooMinai, yeah, just wondering how you get the symbol for the thunk into the flash vector table if you do 2016-10-31T01:53:42 < LeelooMinai> zyp: I have specialized one for specific callbacks even. It's very nice to use then - 100% type safe. 2016-10-31T01:53:45 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/J1rhyS4.png 2016-10-31T01:54:20 < zyp> I'm kinda tempted to just use closures 2016-10-31T01:54:38 < LeelooMinai> zyp: For now I just let the IRQs jump to the"trampoline" in the memory and let the compiler optimze it a bit. 2016-10-31T01:54:48 < zyp> but you need a heap for it to be able to make captures 2016-10-31T01:54:55 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: No, I thought ARM has C++ compliant CPU inside. 2016-10-31T01:55:26 < zyp> isn't c++ just c with types? 2016-10-31T01:55:30 < LeelooMinai> zyp: I was playing with closures too, but now I forgot what I did not like... 2016-10-31T01:55:42 < LeelooMinai> I mean for those tramplines, otherwise they are ok. 2016-10-31T01:58:03 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but at least it's usable in the real world. 2016-10-31T01:59:07 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Seriously, you have some weird behaviours there yourself:) 2016-10-31T01:59:21 < upgrdman> https://youtu.be/LhvP9k2vMpk?t=30 2016-10-31T02:02:27 < LeelooMinai> As to the real world, I read that there's some new "thing" where IT people argue that there's a very high chance world is just a simulation:) 2016-10-31T02:02:47 < LeelooMinai> Forgot where I heared that... something about Musk refering to it too. 2016-10-31T02:03:02 -!- mumptai [~calle@x4d0ac3bc.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-31T02:03:23 < LeelooMinai> If so, I guess the only question is if there are bugs in it. 2016-10-31T02:04:26 < upgrdman> not into it 2016-10-31T02:04:32 < upgrdman> just lol'ing and dumbfucks 2016-10-31T02:04:43 < upgrdman> s/and/at 2016-10-31T02:05:33 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Don't be like dongs though and do not assume that if someone uses C++, that someone has no interest in details of how the things run:) 2016-10-31T02:06:25 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: And no one assaulted you phisically in the real life so far? :) 2016-10-31T02:08:03 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: I would imagine that outside of IRC people hate you as "that guy that always knows better on each topic":) 2016-10-31T02:08:38 < LeelooMinai> Well, potato tomato - they probably still get annoyed, no? 2016-10-31T02:09:01 < jadew> ok, so here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4FXFHJ2KA0 2016-10-31T02:09:27 < jadew> yeah 2016-10-31T02:09:29 -!- KreAture_ is now known as KreAture_Zzz 2016-10-31T02:09:31 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Is that your CC number in the corner there? 2016-10-31T02:09:43 < jadew> lol LeelooMinai, you got me 2016-10-31T02:09:52 < LeelooMinai> lol 2016-10-31T02:10:17 < jadew> so... let me know if it's trash or if it's salvageable 2016-10-31T02:10:56 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T02:11:07 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T02:11:07 -!- Mr_Sheesh [~mr_s@unaffiliated/mr-sheesh/x-0757054] has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-10-31T02:11:19 -!- Mr_Sheesh_ is now known as Mr_Sheesh 2016-10-31T02:11:21 < LeelooMinai> jadew: I am going to eat, but I will watch it later -I am sure now you will be famous on YouTube:p 2016-10-31T02:11:40 < jadew> ohsix, yeah, that thing was super hard to open 2016-10-31T02:11:46 < jadew> LeelooMinai, enjoy :) 2016-10-31T02:12:40 < jadew> turned out really ugly, but it works 2016-10-31T02:12:52 < jadew> + there are some funny bits there 2016-10-31T02:13:10 < jadew> the video yeah 2016-10-31T02:13:52 < sync> jadew: freezing the batteries makes them easier to open 2016-10-31T02:14:11 < jadew> sync, didn't know that 2016-10-31T02:14:21 < jadew> I guess it cracs easier 2016-10-31T02:14:23 < jadew> cracks 2016-10-31T02:14:59 < sync> you just hammer the seam and usually it cracks 2016-10-31T02:15:39 < jadew> ohsix, I think it would be fine with higher 2016-10-31T02:15:44 < jadew> but at 6.8 it dies 2016-10-31T02:16:14 < jadew> actually, don't quote me on that 2016-10-31T02:16:34 < jadew> I'm basing that on the measurement I took on a depleated battery 2016-10-31T02:17:28 < jadew> I made some stupid mistakes when building it, you'll see (including when making the hole :D ) 2016-10-31T02:17:52 < jadew> ohsix, yeah, I noticed that way too late 2016-10-31T02:18:24 < upgrdman> just discovered the "wintergatan" band. really neat music, and their marble machine thing is fucking awesome. https://www.youtube.com/user/wintergatan2000/videos 2016-10-31T02:18:46 < jadew> ohsix, didn't even cross my mind to have a custom white balance 2016-10-31T02:19:30 < jadew> I know, I use custom WB for photos all the time 2016-10-31T02:19:36 < jadew> don't know why I didn't think of doing it for video too 2016-10-31T02:20:24 < jadew> ohsix, nope 2016-10-31T02:20:33 < jadew> they want you to buy an external adapter that is just that 2016-10-31T02:20:45 < jadew> a battery shaped plug 2016-10-31T02:20:59 < sync> no 2016-10-31T02:21:03 < sync> it uses the same slot 2016-10-31T02:21:04 < jadew> no, but I didn't know that 2016-10-31T02:21:19 < jadew> I discovered the little rubber for the cable after it was done 2016-10-31T02:21:42 < jadew> haha 2016-10-31T02:21:44 < jadew> thanks 2016-10-31T02:23:08 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-31T02:23:36 < jadew> the video I was actually making when I realized I need an adapter was much more interesting 2016-10-31T02:25:49 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T02:30:25 -!- Steffannn [uid97872@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jhywphklddaddiql] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2016-10-31T02:33:43 < jadew> I'm sure it's more of a way of forcing you to buy an extra adapter 2016-10-31T02:36:35 < jadew> don't know... they had no problem adding a HDMI port 2016-10-31T02:36:47 < jadew> I'd argue that a DC connector is more important than that 2016-10-31T02:38:55 < jadew> I'm sure this was grately motivated by greed 2016-10-31T02:39:18 < jadew> what's more custom than a plug that looks like a custom battery 2016-10-31T02:39:20 < jadew> can't beat that 2016-10-31T02:40:05 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-31T02:48:00 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T02:50:24 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T02:50:49 -!- KreAture_Zzz [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2016-10-31T02:52:22 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-31T02:55:57 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T03:01:22 < jadew> well, it's not like they'd use 7.2 V to power some SoC 2016-10-31T03:03:06 < jadew> I'm sure the battery input is reasonably well protected, if not directly, by making sure that everything feeding from it can take some variation in in the input 2016-10-31T03:04:34 < jadew> would be interesting to open one up and see what's going on, but chances are that it will tollerate large variations 2016-10-31T03:06:40 < jadew> I could test this 2016-10-31T03:06:47 < jadew> but I need another battery shell 2016-10-31T03:07:11 < jadew> I could power it directly form a lab PSU and slightly increase the voltage 2016-10-31T03:07:20 < aandrew> blah 2016-10-31T03:07:41 < aandrew> I can't figureo ut whyt he fuck freertos is flying off into the weeds 2016-10-31T03:07:45 < jadew> if the power consumption goes high, it can't take it, if it doesn't, it can 2016-10-31T03:09:25 < Thorn> is this legit in any way? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Kester-951-10ml-Soldering-Rosin-Flux-Pen-Low-Solids-Non-clean-For-Solar-cell-panel-DIY/32481864294.html 2016-10-31T03:09:50 < Thorn> it's obviously not genuine Kester 2016-10-31T03:10:05 < jadew> Thorn, so it can be anything 2016-10-31T03:11:04 < jadew> the reviews seem ok 2016-10-31T03:11:07 < Laurenceb_> H7 looks interesting 2016-10-31T03:12:35 < Laurenceb_> double precision fpu 2016-10-31T03:13:18 < Laurenceb_> http://www.st.com/en/microcontrollers/stm32h7x3.html?icmp=tt4249_gl_pron_oct2016&querycriteria=productId=LN2033 2016-10-31T03:14:20 < Laurenceb_> hardware jpeg accel 2016-10-31T03:15:02 < jadew> night o/ 2016-10-31T03:15:31 -!- sector_0 [~sector_0@204.13.243.78] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T03:16:26 < Laurenceb_> H7 also has hardware "single wire interface" 2016-10-31T03:16:30 < Laurenceb_> sounds like 1wire? 2016-10-31T03:16:42 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Forget it - it may even be, but you will get some half-dry thing. Not worth the money, 2016-10-31T03:18:15 < Laurenceb_> ah 2016-10-31T03:19:38 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-31T03:21:40 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: I think it may be some coil-wireless thing. 2016-10-31T03:22:10 < LeelooMinai> At least I remember looking at it in L4 docs and it was not one wire. It's for some, I don't know... some close-range protocol. 2016-10-31T03:24:03 < LeelooMinai> A, ok, so maybe not wireless, but for credit-car like embedded ics, etc. 2016-10-31T03:24:08 < LeelooMinai> card* 2016-10-31T03:24:40 < LeelooMinai> Kind of meh for a hobbist unless some hacker maybe? :) 2016-10-31T03:26:14 < Thorn> someone probably would've said it in reviews if it were half dry I hope. and they have 477 reviews 2016-10-31T03:26:39 < Thorn> "high quality" should be taken with a grain of salt but they'd notice such an obvious thing 2016-10-31T03:26:43 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-129-255.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-31T03:27:09 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, on the other hand, maybe I was onto something there: "SWP is an interface between Contactless frontend (CLF) and UICC (SIM card chip). It is a contact based protocol which is used for contactless communication." 2016-10-31T03:27:37 < LeelooMinai> I guess "contactless" make me think that it's wireless or something. What does it even mean... 2016-10-31T03:28:12 < LeelooMinai> It's a contact-based protocol for a contactless something... 2016-10-31T03:29:16 < zyp> NFC is contactless 2016-10-31T03:30:38 < zyp> that SWP thing is intended for shit where the sim card is used as a secure element for NFC auth 2016-10-31T03:31:26 < zyp> so phone will have nfc rf hardware, but the protocol and crypto shit is located in the sim card 2016-10-31T03:31:29 < zyp> or something like that 2016-10-31T03:32:01 < LeelooMinai> Right, so for some commercial stuff probably. 2016-10-31T03:32:18 < zyp> for phones, obviously, since it's talk about sim cards 2016-10-31T03:32:54 < LeelooMinai> I will bag it under "useless for my projects" category:) 2016-10-31T03:32:56 -!- dekar [~dekar@110.184.59.106] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2016-10-31T03:33:47 < zyp> hmm, apparently the sim card can be powered over SWP too, so it's intended for stuff that's usable even when the phone itself is off (out of battery or whatever) 2016-10-31T03:35:10 < zyp> and carriers are gonna love that; since functionality will be sitting in the sim card, they get to be a provider of NFC pay solutions and the likes too 2016-10-31T03:35:13 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Some peripjerals are generic enough to be used for many purposed, but this seems pretty specific. 2016-10-31T03:35:19 < LeelooMinai> peripherals* 2016-10-31T03:35:22 < zyp> agreed 2016-10-31T03:35:44 < zyp> so, are you sure the peripheral is for this protocol, not just some generic single wire shit? name is kinda generic 2016-10-31T03:35:54 < LeelooMinai> I have better ideas for that silicons space, like "give me 32 bit LPTIM":) 2016-10-31T03:36:23 < zyp> ah, it is that SWP 2016-10-31T03:36:29 < zyp> oh well 2016-10-31T03:36:36 < LeelooMinai> It's not that SWP, I mean Dallas one 2016-10-31T03:36:48 < LeelooMinai> Dallas/Maxim that is. 2016-10-31T03:37:02 < LeelooMinai> That would be a bit more usefull I guess. 2016-10-31T03:37:25 < LeelooMinai> Though I never used it really... I have some temperature sensor ICs though that use it. 2016-10-31T03:37:50 < aandrew> hm 2016-10-31T03:37:59 < aandrew> so osThreadCreate() is what fucks up my structure 2016-10-31T03:38:00 < aandrew> wtf 2016-10-31T03:38:45 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: I dumped the whole ST code and don't use the CMSIS RTOS layer. 2016-10-31T03:39:19 < Thorn> has anyone heard of the Amplifier Frequency and Transient Response course by Carl Battjes (Tektronix internal)? 2016-10-31T03:39:41 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: I would check for stack overflows first if you have corruption like that. 2016-10-31T03:39:46 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: yes, but you go straight to first principles a LOT :-) 2016-10-31T03:39:56 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: yep that's my suspicion as well, although I can't imagine that being the issue 2016-10-31T03:40:15 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: FreeRTOS has defines for stack checking - did you turn them on?> 2016-10-31T03:40:49 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Also, do you have nice FreeRTOS debugger/plugins that show threads, stack usage, ram usage, etc.? :p 2016-10-31T03:40:57 < LeelooMinai> And why not? 2016-10-31T03:41:05 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I'm just using jlnk debugger right now 2016-10-31T03:41:12 < aandrew> I found some interesting things for gdb though I might try 2016-10-31T03:41:27 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Then download Ozona and read about turning on the FreeRTOS dll 2016-10-31T03:41:30 < LeelooMinai> Ozone 2016-10-31T03:42:06 < LeelooMinai> It's a good "weapon" for cases like this. 2016-10-31T03:42:34 < aandrew> oh my god 2016-10-31T03:42:36 < LeelooMinai> And it's not free, but it is if you don't mind clicking a button when opening it. 2016-10-31T03:42:36 < aandrew> I'm a fucking idiot 2016-10-31T03:42:50 < aandrew> ozone? I'll check it out, thank you 2016-10-31T03:42:55 < aandrew> but this bug was entirely my own fucking doing 2016-10-31T03:43:18 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Ozone is Seggers debugger - it's pretty neat, and as you can imagine will play with j-link rather well. 2016-10-31T03:43:41 < aandrew> oh 2016-10-31T03:43:42 < aandrew> interesint 2016-10-31T03:43:46 < aandrew> I'm using "J-Link Debugger" 2016-10-31T03:43:57 < ReadErr> ohsix: yea the invisible car was awesome lol 2016-10-31T03:45:00 < aandrew> ahh I am using it already 2016-10-31T03:45:04 < aandrew> although not with any freertos help 2016-10-31T03:45:36 < aandrew> but yes this dbeugging is *way* better than anything in eclipse 2016-10-31T03:45:41 < aandrew> adn it's a lot easier than gdb 2016-10-31T03:45:51 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: http://i.imgur.com/ObQb7YQ.png 2016-10-31T03:46:03 < LeelooMinai> I added this for FreeRTOS features. 2016-10-31T03:46:17 < LeelooMinai> The .dll part. 2016-10-31T03:46:46 < LeelooMinai> In the .jdebug file that is. 2016-10-31T03:46:56 < aandrew> where did you get that dll? 2016-10-31T03:47:13 < LeelooMinai> Then you get this extra view whre you can see threads and when you click on one you get the thread's stack. 2016-10-31T03:47:20 < LeelooMinai> It's already there I think. 2016-10-31T03:47:29 < LeelooMinai> With Ozone 2016-10-31T03:48:16 < aandrew> hm 2016-10-31T03:48:49 < ReadErr> the people flying up in the air tripped me out 2016-10-31T03:48:58 < ReadErr> then I put 2 and 2 together 2016-10-31T03:49:22 < LeelooMinai> "THey are birds" 2016-10-31T03:50:55 < ReadErr> birds, chickenheads 2016-10-31T03:51:59 < LeelooMinai> ... 2016-10-31T03:53:28 < LeelooMinai> flyback: Are you making another of your Haloween projects? 2016-10-31T03:53:37 < ReadErr> hows your butt today flyback 2016-10-31T03:54:03 < upgrdman> ReadErr's asking the important questions today 2016-10-31T03:54:24 < LeelooMinai> flyback: With your nick though, shouldn't you be the expert? 2016-10-31T03:54:30 < ReadErr> upgrdman: I do every time I see him 2016-10-31T03:54:36 < ReadErr> I care 2016-10-31T03:55:26 < ReadErr> you should get a pain killer script, it may help with the possible trump presidency 2016-10-31T03:55:33 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: have you figured out a way to reflash the program without stopping debugging and going back in? 2016-10-31T03:55:45 < aandrew> it doesn't like to share the JTAG with JLinkExe for flashing 2016-10-31T03:56:06 < aandrew> flyback: I've screwed around with flyback supplies 2016-10-31T03:56:07 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Ozone can reflash too I think. 2016-10-31T03:56:12 < aandrew> not sure how current my knowledge is 2016-10-31T03:56:47 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I don't seea ny reflash option... 2016-10-31T03:57:04 < aandrew> flyback: hm 2016-10-31T03:57:10 < aandrew> do you have a known good tx to compare? 2016-10-31T03:57:47 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Debug/Download & Reset maybe? Did not use that one so far. 2016-10-31T03:57:55 < ReadErr> ohsix: which 2016-10-31T03:58:05 < ReadErr> when they car ran through all those people? 2016-10-31T03:58:11 < ReadErr> ya 2016-10-31T03:58:20 < ReadErr> tripped me out 2016-10-31T03:58:24 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: Right, it seems that it reflashes. 2016-10-31T03:58:24 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: don't have that on onx 2016-10-31T03:58:24 < ReadErr> then I remembered the invisible car 2016-10-31T03:58:26 < aandrew> er on osx 2016-10-31T03:58:46 < aandrew> oh you ahve to disconnect anyway, lol 2016-10-31T03:59:08 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8700:4d98:1cb4:b155:dedc:56d0] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-31T03:59:11 < ReadErr> I like when he slapped the shit out of that guy with the stack of money lol 2016-10-31T03:59:11 -!- emeb [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has left ##stm32 [] 2016-10-31T03:59:25 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: It's there if you are not already debugging, yes. 2016-10-31T03:59:27 < aandrew> there we go, got my bug squashed 2016-10-31T03:59:33 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: thanks again for the tip 2016-10-31T03:59:42 < LeelooMinai> So what was it? 2016-10-31T03:59:56 < aandrew> hm, this new version is quite crashy compared to JLink Debugger 2016-10-31T04:00:01 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: two things really 2016-10-31T04:00:09 < aandrew> 1) I created a UART handle as a local var 2016-10-31T04:00:24 < aandrew> console_init() finished, and the next thing to use significant stack was the osThreadCreate() 2016-10-31T04:00:43 < LeelooMinai> A, so the handle disappeared? 2016-10-31T04:00:53 < aandrew> and then 2) my FIFO routines and the ISR would fight for the FIFO lock 2016-10-31T04:01:05 < ReadErr> ohsix: the transracial thing too lol 2016-10-31T04:01:09 < ReadErr> the end of that ep 2016-10-31T04:01:13 < Thorn> ohsix: the course is old. the author died in 2007 2016-10-31T04:01:17 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T04:01:24 < aandrew> if the transmitter empty interrupt fired but I was interrupting a fifo write, the ISR would not get the lock and would therefore drop out, but did not kill the TXE interrupt, causing the CPU to spin 2016-10-31T04:01:40 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: yes, exactly 2016-10-31T04:02:30 < LeelooMinai> Minefields, minefields, eveywhere 2016-10-31T04:02:57 < LeelooMinai> C programming in a nutshell 2016-10-31T04:03:40 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: how would C++ prevent that? in particualr the second one? 2016-10-31T04:03:55 < LeelooMinai> Did I write that there are not minefields in C++? :) 2016-10-31T04:04:15 < LeelooMinai> aandrew: In Java that would not happen though... 2016-10-31T04:04:17 < aandrew> I largely ignored yoru big debate, I'd meant to go over it later 2016-10-31T04:06:04 < Thorn> ohsix: I keep finding references to it in almost all analog books and articles that I came across recently 2016-10-31T04:12:39 < Thorn> http://www.designers-guide.org/Forum/YaBB.pl?num=1326275244 2016-10-31T04:14:01 < ReadErr> ohsix: oh nice atl got renewed 2016-10-31T04:16:13 < ReadErr> eh yea never got into Community either 2016-10-31T04:16:25 < ReadErr> i might watch it if i run out of other shit 2016-10-31T04:31:22 < TheSeven> hm, now who's fooling me here, SPI or DMA? 2016-10-31T04:31:50 < TheSeven> stm32f072, DMA programmed to receive 16 bytes from SPI1_RX 2016-10-31T04:31:58 < TheSeven> I never get completion 2016-10-31T04:32:14 < TheSeven> if I check CNDTR after a while, it's stuck at 13 2016-10-31T04:32:23 < TheSeven> so it did *something*, but then got stuck. wtf. 2016-10-31T04:40:22 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-31T04:43:35 -!- stvn [~kek@unaffiliated/stvn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T04:47:15 < stvn> TRICK OR TREAT 2016-10-31T04:57:52 < LeelooMinai> flyback: Good job... 2016-10-31T04:58:58 < LeelooMinai> O, Dave posted a video on those solar roofs of Musk, I wonder what is his opinion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_c7twrajCA 2016-10-31T04:59:22 < LeelooMinai> Hope it's not the same as of "solar roadways"... 2016-10-31T05:00:22 < stvn> wtf is 'solar roofs' 2016-10-31T05:00:36 < stvn> like for fucks sake panels have been there for 30 years 2016-10-31T05:00:59 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but no one wants them really for their houses because they are ugly and costly. 2016-10-31T05:01:27 < stvn> ok 2016-10-31T05:01:39 -!- stvn [~kek@unaffiliated/stvn] has quit [Quit: wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee] 2016-10-31T05:02:00 < LeelooMinai> His idea is to make the tiles looking as good or better as the ceramic, etc. ones, and with comparable price, so when it comes to replacing the roof, it will be worth considering it (+ Tesla power wall/battery thing) 2016-10-31T05:02:30 < LeelooMinai> And they are supposed to be last longer too. 2016-10-31T05:03:45 < LeelooMinai> They also have a tech there that can make each tile have unique pattern. 2016-10-31T05:03:58 < LeelooMinai> So they look pretty much like natural stones. 2016-10-31T05:04:17 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8700:4d98:1cb4:b155:dedc:56d0] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T05:04:29 < LeelooMinai> And they are transparent only at an agle that sun shines, and opaque from the street. 2016-10-31T05:04:49 < LeelooMinai> So not earth shattering idea, but little things and sane plan may = win. 2016-10-31T05:06:14 < LeelooMinai> When I was 10 I thought so, but now I know better:) 2016-10-31T05:06:37 < LeelooMinai> "No way oil companies would like about things to make more money" 2016-10-31T05:06:44 < LeelooMinai> lie* 2016-10-31T05:07:51 < LeelooMinai> Well, colonizing mars would probably brings tons of new technologies to people, so in the long run it could balance out. Same as NASA invented tons of stuff when working on Apollo, etc. 2016-10-31T05:08:10 < LeelooMinai> Yes, no question about it. 2016-10-31T05:08:59 < LeelooMinai> Won't know until they try:) 2016-10-31T05:09:43 < LeelooMinai> No question that it will brings a lot of technology, just need to wait to know the details I meant 2016-10-31T05:10:06 < LeelooMinai> What area? 2016-10-31T05:10:49 < LeelooMinai> Well, simplifying it to "velcro" is not really a brilliant argument either... 2016-10-31T05:12:37 < LeelooMinai> Ok, I guess no Mars for you then:) 2016-10-31T05:13:37 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2601:601:8700:4d98:1cb4:b155:dedc:56d0] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-31T05:13:40 < LeelooMinai> potato tomato - still NASA and that's what I meant - it's not only Apollo mission obviously 2016-10-31T05:14:54 < LeelooMinai> You cannot really calculate what worth those things have, untill you wait to the future 2016-10-31T05:16:23 < LeelooMinai> Because the magnitude is unknown, but it's a good chance that it will be very important 2016-10-31T05:17:23 < LeelooMinai> It may be even priceless, if one day it will save humanity for example. 2016-10-31T05:17:58 < LeelooMinai> Not that I care much, but, well, let's pretend:p 2016-10-31T05:18:08 < upgrdman> wtf. 2.0 % 0.2 should be zero right? guessing float error is fucking with me 2016-10-31T05:33:25 < upgrdman> worked around it 2016-10-31T05:35:10 < upgrdman> result was 0.1999999 2016-10-31T05:35:51 < upgrdman> well my algorithm for determining how to divide up an axis uses that, and i caught it because with a fixed range, it wasnt showing the end points 2016-10-31T05:36:08 < upgrdman> like if my x-axis was supposed to be -2 to 2, with 0.2 divisions 2016-10-31T05:36:16 < upgrdman> i would see labels for -1.8 to 1.8 2016-10-31T05:36:20 < upgrdman> instead of -2 to 2 2016-10-31T05:36:37 < upgrdman> ya 2016-10-31T05:40:48 < upgrdman> ya im fucked up plenty 2016-10-31T05:41:03 < upgrdman> but massaged it into shape and things and working nice now 2016-10-31T05:41:12 < upgrdman> and porting it to opengl made shit so much better 2016-10-31T05:41:56 < ReadErr> ohsix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPXctbdBth0 2016-10-31T05:42:10 < ReadErr> not seen but funny title 2016-10-31T05:43:53 < upgrdman> ohsix, got the autoscaling for my charts working very nicely. silky smooth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSWiw5U9DT0 2016-10-31T05:49:48 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya. vsync'd to 60Hz 2016-10-31T05:49:51 < ReadErr> oh it was a paid bounty 2016-10-31T05:49:54 < ReadErr> they 0day'd flash 2016-10-31T05:50:01 < ReadErr> chinese 2016-10-31T05:50:11 < ReadErr> got $142k 2016-10-31T05:50:20 < upgrdman> flash memory? 2016-10-31T05:50:25 < ReadErr> adobe 2016-10-31T05:51:12 < ReadErr> and theres some fat hacker chick 2016-10-31T05:52:34 < ReadErr> ya 2016-10-31T05:52:42 < ReadErr> its not a bad ep 2016-10-31T05:52:54 < ReadErr> tired of seeing the car hacks 2016-10-31T05:52:54 < Thorn> https://cdn.drawception.com/images/panels/2013/12-14/5Ng3OjHSXa-4.png 2016-10-31T06:11:21 < upgrdman> Thorn, why is .ru surrendering? 2016-10-31T06:11:34 < upgrdman> or that .fr huh 2016-10-31T06:11:38 < upgrdman> nm, makes sense 2016-10-31T06:33:45 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T06:37:53 -!- Lt__Lemming [~Lt_Lemmin@220-244-244-223.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T06:39:03 -!- Lt__Lemming [~Lt_Lemmin@220-244-244-223.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-31T07:25:28 -!- TheSeven [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-31T07:25:46 -!- [7] [~quassel@rockbox/developer/TheSeven] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T07:26:23 -!- sector_0 [~sector_0@204.13.243.78] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 2016-10-31T07:26:43 -!- Thorn__ [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T07:28:36 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-31T07:46:39 -!- Thorn__ is now known as Thorn 2016-10-31T07:51:46 -!- kisielk_ [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T07:51:46 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-31T07:52:09 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T08:07:13 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-31T08:12:17 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f7770ef.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T08:32:50 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T09:02:58 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.224] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T09:07:52 -!- emeb_mac [~ericb@ip70-176-184-195.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Quit: emeb_mac] 2016-10-31T09:21:25 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T09:25:53 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-31T09:30:25 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T09:47:51 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/HH9Q6x8.png 2016-10-31T09:53:24 < Steffanx> PyPi.. Yay 2016-10-31T09:53:48 < Steffanx> I mean. PyPi relates. 2016-10-31T09:53:49 < Steffanx> D 2016-10-31T09:54:36 < upgrdman> :) 2016-10-31T10:09:17 < dongs> if only everyone would stop caring about python 2016-10-31T10:13:57 < jpa-> yeah, everyone should switch to node.js 2016-10-31T10:15:45 < dongs> im ok if everyone just keeps using C99 2016-10-31T10:15:55 < dongs> node.jews is just as bad as python 2016-10-31T10:15:57 < dongs> if not worse 2016-10-31T10:16:23 < Jak_o_Shadows> node.js may not be worse, as a languge, but the ecosystem seems nuts 2016-10-31T10:17:55 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T10:19:56 < jpa-> dongs: are you really ok with C99, or do you want them to code it like C89? 2016-10-31T10:20:03 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T10:20:07 < jpa-> like, are you really ok with introducing new variables in middle of scope? 2016-10-31T10:25:10 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: You may be on his ignore list - it's presumably very long:p 2016-10-31T10:25:39 < jadew> what's the topic? 2016-10-31T10:26:50 < LeelooMinai> "dongs does not like Python" 2016-10-31T10:27:14 < jadew> I'm with him 2016-10-31T10:27:18 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: ah, nope, i get along with dongs and it's not like he ignored my earlier trollings 2016-10-31T10:27:34 < Fleck> who cares what that lunatic doesn't like? :p 2016-10-31T10:27:42 < Jak_o_Shadows> Programming languages are tools 2016-10-31T10:30:18 * LeelooMinai stares at the "elaborate importance" 2016-10-31T10:30:39 < LeelooMinai> Or is it "impotence" or "impotance" was right? 2016-10-31T10:31:23 < LeelooMinai> In either of those numerous cases - I have no idea what that means:p 2016-10-31T10:32:01 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-31T10:32:57 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T10:33:42 < jadew> so what's that theory like? 2016-10-31T10:34:46 < jadew> the elaborate impotence conspiracy theory 2016-10-31T10:35:28 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-31T10:36:09 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-31T10:36:12 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@c-73-221-121-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-31T10:37:29 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-31T10:38:13 < LeelooMinai> FreeRTOS starts depressing me - that's not a good sign:/ 2016-10-31T10:38:40 < LeelooMinai> Also, I kind of start missing FPGAs. Not the software, but the hardware. 2016-10-31T10:40:11 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: get Zynq ;) 2016-10-31T10:40:22 < LeelooMinai> And now I remember my wish that someone made in IC which has a grid of both FPGA and CPU functionality. Say 16 or more tiny ARM cores emerged in the FPGA fabric. 2016-10-31T10:40:36 < LeelooMinai> PaulFertser: Right, no, thx - that's a monstrosity:/ 2016-10-31T10:40:51 < dongs> strange hearing that from you 2016-10-31T10:40:55 < PaulFertser> You want cortex-m + fpga? 2016-10-31T10:41:03 < dongs> zynq is about as tightly closedsores as leelooman's anus 2016-10-31T10:42:08 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T10:42:25 < LeelooMinai> PaulFertser: No, something more like xmos - lots of tiny fast 32-bit cores, with simple hardware scheduler maybe, and all of them interconnected by FPGA-style fabric with also local FPGA cells. 2016-10-31T10:43:02 < LeelooMinai> So you can pretty much have task per core and you can do all neat cycle-level stuff with the FPGA part. 2016-10-31T10:43:14 < BrainDamage> vivante is asscancer 2016-10-31T10:43:44 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: btw, what's your particular gripe with freertos? 2016-10-31T10:43:57 < LeelooMinai> Zynq on the other hand is a monstrous FPGA + monstrous ARM + monstrous complicated interconnection of those + all the usual monstrous FPGA vendor IPs:) 2016-10-31T10:45:02 < LeelooMinai> PaulFertser: The unability of it to handle sub-1ms timing basically - it starts to bother me. 2016-10-31T10:45:33 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: but it counts everything in ticks, or is it no longer the case? 2016-10-31T10:45:57 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but they kind of assume that OS ticks will be 1ms or slower. 2016-10-31T10:46:52 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2016-10-31T10:46:56 < LeelooMinai> For example in the timer system. 2016-10-31T10:47:27 < LeelooMinai> They have defines like portTICK_PERIOD_MS 2016-10-31T10:48:00 < LeelooMinai> So you will get division by 0 if you go below that. 2016-10-31T10:48:01 < PaulFertser> Just for easier convertation from ms to ticks, you can define your own for ns, no? 2016-10-31T10:48:18 < PaulFertser> ohsix: no, FreeRTOS is real-time all right. Proper hard real-time scheduler. 2016-10-31T10:49:03 < LeelooMinai> Well, I just tried using 10us and I got some wrong timings even though I avoided using all the MS macros - used ticks directtly. 2016-10-31T10:49:05 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: just add _NS macros and send them upstream, sounds trivial. 2016-10-31T10:50:07 < LeelooMinai> PaulFertser: As I wrote - I did something like that, but there's something wront with those software timers - they cannot deal with those timings. So seems again I need lots of debugging time. 2016-10-31T10:50:14 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: probably interrupt latencies start to influence? The algorithms is freertos are all right afaict. 2016-10-31T10:50:42 < LeelooMinai> No, I am talking tickless mode. 2016-10-31T10:51:24 < LeelooMinai> I have set configTICK_RATE_HZ to 100,000, also tried 10,000 2016-10-31T10:52:02 < LeelooMinai> And software timers with, say, 15 ticks for the first case would trigger like after 700us:/ 2016-10-31T10:52:42 < LeelooMinai> Guess will need investigate tomorrow again, but it's getting a bit tiresome. 2016-10-31T10:53:06 < tkoskine> If you need <1ms timing, you need to use timers from hardware, not FreeRTOS's APIs. 2016-10-31T10:53:54 < LeelooMinai> Not sure why you say that. They have tickless mode. 2016-10-31T10:54:24 < LeelooMinai> And use SysTick, which is hardware timer. 2016-10-31T10:54:33 < tkoskine> Tickless mode is for sleeping a long time. 2016-10-31T10:55:14 < LeelooMinai> Well, it's for sleeping a precise time too. 2016-10-31T10:55:39 < LeelooMinai> In FreeRTOS they are. 2016-10-31T10:56:14 < jpa-> tkoskine: tickless mode could easily implement precise delays also 2016-10-31T10:56:25 < jpa-> it's just stupid if they don't take advantage of that 2016-10-31T10:56:45 < LeelooMinai> Chibios was working much nicer in that area. 2016-10-31T10:57:44 < LeelooMinai> But it did not have those weird timers in a thread that uses queue, but timers integrated into the scheduler. 2016-10-31T10:57:59 < LeelooMinai> And they just worked... 2016-10-31T10:59:49 < LeelooMinai> Maybe tomorrow I will rage quit RTOSes altogether and just make some simple co-operative setup:) 2016-10-31T11:00:08 < LeelooMinai> At least I will have control over everything. 2016-10-31T11:01:20 * LeelooMinai threads with a sad face to sleep 2016-10-31T11:03:40 < tkoskine> jpa-: I think in general case if you have rtos running with pre-emptive scheduling, you really cannot trust to get any sort of precise delays. (for example, 4 tasks at same priority, 1ms timeslice for each, -> 1ms delay is easily turned to 3ms delay). 2016-10-31T11:04:22 < jpa-> tkoskine: sure 2016-10-31T11:04:53 < jpa-> tkoskine: but if you e.g. have peripheral that says "wait atleast 50us between commands", it is much nicer to be able to tell "wait atleast 50us" instead of "wait atleast 1ms" 2016-10-31T11:05:23 < jpa-> and anyway whether other tasks pre-empt you or not is controlled by the priority that you can decide accordingly 2016-10-31T11:05:57 < jpa-> (in a proper RTOS system you would *very* rarely have 4 tasks at same priority) 2016-10-31T11:15:47 < jadew> any new conspiracy theory movies? 2016-10-31T11:19:35 < tkoskine> jpa-: Yes, "wait atleast 50us" would be nice. In practice, I would probably use oneshot (hw) timer for that sort of thing. 2016-10-31T11:19:50 < tkoskine> (or disable interrupts and just busy loop for a while) 2016-10-31T11:20:28 < jpa-> why disable interrupts, if it is "atleast" 2016-10-31T11:20:57 < jpa-> but, e.g. chibios tickless mode solves that nicely and so should any sane tickless implementation 2016-10-31T11:21:21 < jpa-> when ticks no longer require interrupts, one can just set tick frequency to e.g. 1 MHz and then you have the 50us sleep 2016-10-31T11:21:45 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f7770ef.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-31T11:22:12 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T11:26:18 < tkoskine> I am not familiar with tickless mode of chibios, but on FreeRTOS there is tickless *idle* mode and systick is disabled only when idle task is running. Systick is restored once some real task starts execution. 2016-10-31T11:26:51 < jpa-> ok, that sounds like the reason why LeelooMinai is confused 2016-10-31T11:27:03 < jpa-> so freertos tickless mode is only to reduce idle power consumption 2016-10-31T11:27:18 < jpa-> and unable to achieve any of the other benefits of true tickless mode 2016-10-31T11:31:52 < karlp> jpa-: what are the other benefits? 2016-10-31T11:32:10 < karlp> slightly lower system overhead? 2016-10-31T11:32:25 < jpa-> being able to have short delays and not having interrupts firing up and interrupting high-priority tasks for no purpose 2016-10-31T11:32:25 < karlp> seems to b rather pale in comparison, but yeah, ok. 2016-10-31T11:33:45 < dongs> dickless mode sounds about as useful as any project created my leelooman 2016-10-31T11:33:54 < jpa-> it's not a big difference anyway, otherwise tick-based schedulers would have died already 2016-10-31T11:33:59 < dongs> i think if I ever get to use freertos for anything I will steer clear of that mode 2016-10-31T11:34:11 < jpa-> even the power savings are usually pretty small and easy to workaround manually anyway 2016-10-31T11:34:23 < dongs> yep 2016-10-31T11:34:50 < jpa-> the short sleep thing is IMO the biggest benefit, not having to use hardware timers everywhere 2016-10-31T11:35:56 < karlp> tickless for sleeping sounds like the big gain surely 2016-10-31T11:36:18 < karlp> well, that's what I'd always believed at least 2016-10-31T11:36:28 < jpa-> you mean, tickless for power saving? 2016-10-31T11:36:52 < karlp> yeah, for not having to have tick interrupts all the time when you have a mostly idle system 2016-10-31T11:37:13 < jpa-> thing with that is that to get truly low power consumption you usually have to shutdown other stuff also, at which point you can also disable the tick manually 2016-10-31T11:39:17 < jpa-> if you don't know whether there are ongoing peripheral transfers, the lowest you can go on STM32 is "sleep mode" which saves something like 50%.. so if your 1ms tick wakes up for 5µs to handle the interrupt, you are saving just 0.25% of power consumption 2016-10-31T11:40:59 < jpa-> whereas if you just manually do "go_to_stop_mode_with_rtc_wakeup(5 seconds)" in your main loop (with either tickless or ticking scheduler) you save like 99% 2016-10-31T11:41:49 < BrainDamage> ohsix: consider youcompleteme intead, it's a bit overengineered but offers way more functionality 2016-10-31T11:43:50 < BrainDamage> it's not just completion, it does static linting 2016-10-31T11:46:49 * LeelooMinai peeks and notices that dongs has been shit-talking about her again 2016-10-31T11:47:35 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: who cares, stop complaining and ignore him if it bothers you 2016-10-31T11:48:01 < LeelooMinai> Seems only me and you care:) 2016-10-31T11:48:44 < jpa-> my care levels are going down pretty fast also 2016-10-31T11:48:51 < dongs> completeassburgers, amirite? 2016-10-31T11:48:58 < dongs> jpa-: whats leelooman complaining about now? me? 2016-10-31T11:49:18 < jpa-> dongs: i'm still not going to be your middleman in this :) 2016-10-31T11:49:25 < dongs> ok! 2016-10-31T11:49:28 < dongs> i was jusat asking 2016-10-31T11:49:28 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: You are dongs' lapdog too? :) 2016-10-31T11:50:31 < karlp> jpa-: fair enough, thanks for that 2016-10-31T11:51:22 < jpa-> /ignore -regexp -pattern dongs LeelooMinai hmm i guess this will fix it 2016-10-31T11:51:42 < karlp> but then we lose them from the logs :( 2016-10-31T11:51:53 < jpa-> yeah, shit happens 2016-10-31T11:52:02 < jpa-> it would be nice if irssi had an option to log ignored stuff also 2016-10-31T11:52:44 < dongs> eh 2016-10-31T11:53:22 < dongs> i didnt do anything. 2016-10-31T11:53:33 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-31T11:53:44 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-31T11:55:31 < LeelooMinai> http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/4328801.jpg 2016-10-31T12:13:59 < jpa-> dongs: that just ignores whatever LeelooMinai says about you :P 2016-10-31T12:20:28 -!- fenugrec [~R@108.161.164.103] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-31T12:30:27 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-122-254.customers.d1-online.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T12:34:55 -!- tecdroid [~icke@tmo-122-254.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-31T12:35:53 -!- tecdroid [~icke@2a01:598:90a0:21d2:d27e:35ff:fe97:9f87] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T12:43:12 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T13:11:43 < dongs> https://youtu.be/44OVrdToqhs?t=30 lol 2016-10-31T13:12:41 < dongs> https://twitter.com/lowtax/status/792959369063182336 2016-10-31T13:38:39 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T13:48:21 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-31T13:50:55 -!- Thorn [~Thorn@unaffiliated/thorn] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T13:54:45 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T14:05:08 -!- ReadErr [sid34420@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-asiuktyxiucewozh] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-31T14:06:37 -!- ReadErr [sid34420@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ltffuiuazfsunoho] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T14:08:20 -!- pero_p [uid63038@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pgrynfboqrdlhvqr] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T14:14:41 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-31T14:18:44 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T14:18:56 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-31T14:26:39 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.224] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T14:31:43 -!- Jak_o_Shadows [~Fake@unaffiliated/jak-o-shadows/x-0479135] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-10-31T14:44:51 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-129-255.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T14:44:54 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/wVMK7v.jpg 2016-10-31T14:47:45 < karlp> Laurenceb_: hehe :) http://i.imgur.com/eqNYHZ3.png 2016-10-31T14:48:35 < Laurenceb_> top trolin 2016-10-31T14:52:02 < Laurenceb_> stop filling the channel with shit 2016-10-31T14:52:29 < Laurenceb_> I see hundreds of lines of XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 2016-10-31T14:52:37 < BrainDamage> what did you use to render it? 2016-10-31T14:52:53 < Laurenceb_> XChat 2016-10-31T14:53:03 < BrainDamage> i'm asking englishman 2016-10-31T14:53:17 < BrainDamage> it's obvious your client fails at unicode 2016-10-31T15:04:31 < karlp> hrm, pasting my own from ircpaint looks better than englishman's paste 2016-10-31T15:05:46 < karlp> http://imgur.com/a/L2p3x 2016-10-31T15:08:39 < aandrew> yeah irssi made it look like shit too 2016-10-31T15:14:11 < Steffanx> Daddy should remove the ascii crap flag from the channel flags again he noticed 2016-10-31T15:14:23 < Steffanx> + colours 2016-10-31T15:15:25 < Laurenceb_> need h7 discovery 2016-10-31T15:16:48 < Steffanx> Will you die without? 2016-10-31T15:17:00 < Steffanx> I bet all you need is the jpeg codec so you can kickstart a 4chan readef. 2016-10-31T15:17:03 < Steffanx> Reader 2016-10-31T15:19:40 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-31T15:25:24 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T15:36:51 < karlp> anyone know hwere you can get something "compatible" with this? for like, not $650 ? http://www.te.com/usa-en/product-91501-1.html 2016-10-31T15:38:53 < aandrew> karlp: you may find luck with these hand crimpers: https://amzn.com/B002AVVO7U 2016-10-31T15:39:16 < aandrew> I have a pair of those and PA-21 as well and they're reasonable for small pins 2016-10-31T15:39:25 < aandrew> I have a similar molex tool for larger crimps 2016-10-31T15:41:23 < karlp> wat's the diff between pa20 and pa21? 2016-10-31T15:51:25 < karlp> oh, slightly different choice of widths 2016-10-31T15:51:28 < karlp> special. 2016-10-31T15:52:52 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/bTAKw7.jpg 2016-10-31T15:53:11 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 2016-10-31T16:14:04 < Laurenceb_> triggered 2016-10-31T16:14:53 -!- tecdroid [~icke@2a01:598:90a0:21d2:d27e:35ff:fe97:9f87] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-31T16:15:18 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ 2016-10-31T16:20:24 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o englishman] by ChanServ 2016-10-31T16:24:34 < karlp> aandrew: thanks, think we'll give that a go. 2016-10-31T16:25:15 < karlp> aandrew: missed you earlier though, what SDK are yo using on your esp8266 stuff? nonos or freertos or? and are you doing firmwrae upgrades on the esp itself? and via what mechanism? (if you can answer any of it) 2016-10-31T16:29:48 < Kliment> I'm working on a project with OTA upgrade of an esp as well 2016-10-31T16:30:14 < Kliment> There's a handful of libraries for it 2016-10-31T16:30:57 < karlp> any of them any good? 2016-10-31T16:31:04 < karlp> they all seem really under documented 2016-10-31T16:31:51 < karlp> or, maybe they just presume knowledge of the espressif SDK ota mechanism that I simply haven't gotten to yet. 2016-10-31T16:32:02 < Kliment> I'm looking into it myself atm, I'll keep you updated 2016-10-31T16:32:06 < karlp> awesome. 2016-10-31T16:32:57 < karlp> have you already gotten something stolen or built for enduser setup? like, present as an AP, allow them to use a web ui to specify the upstream AP? 2016-10-31T16:33:47 < Kliment> no, that's all on the todo list 2016-10-31T16:33:57 < Kliment> I've just finished the hardware side of it 2016-10-31T16:34:35 < [7]> oh, how I hate it when debugging code actually hides the problem 2016-10-31T16:35:18 < karlp> Kliment: sounds like we're in the same place :) 2016-10-31T16:35:49 < karlp> Kliment: are you planning on stealing arduino/nodemcu or writing C with the freertos/nonos sdk directly? (or something else?) 2016-10-31T16:35:56 < [7]> the problem is that a breakpoint at location A is never reached, unless I try to figure out why. if I add another one at B, which is basically on the way in to A, then I reach A as well 2016-10-31T16:36:14 < [7]> definitely a timing thing, but really annoying to debu 2016-10-31T16:36:17 < Kliment> karlp: Will use the arduino libs as a basis 2016-10-31T16:36:19 < [7]> debug* 2016-10-31T16:36:41 < karlp> Kliment: right, that's my fallback, was going to be looking at the nodemcu stuff first. 2016-10-31T16:37:03 < karlp> got led shit (end use case) working with both, but need the user setup+ota now before I can actually work on leds :) 2016-10-31T16:37:31 < Kliment> karlp: Well, there's an stm32 in the device, and I need to flash its firmware from the esp 2016-10-31T16:37:37 * [7] always uses telnet for that kind of setup ;) 2016-10-31T16:38:00 < Kliment> karlp: I think you can't set uart parity from node 2016-10-31T16:38:34 < karlp> Kliment: right, ok, my project is just esp+leds, so nodemcu is fine 2016-10-31T16:38:43 < Kliment> karlp: About the OTA stuff, see http://www.esp8266.com/wiki/doku.php?id=ota-over-the-air-esp8266 2016-10-31T16:39:00 < [7]> Kliment: when hooking up the ESP to the stm32, beware of the fact that it outputs some random garbage on gpio0/2 during boot 2016-10-31T16:39:01 < karlp> [7]: telnet to what? device is plugged in, how does it connect to your wifi to get an address you could telnet to? 2016-10-31T16:39:24 < [7]> karlp: I meant AP + telnet instead of AP + web setup 2016-10-31T16:39:43 < Kliment> [7]: That should be ok 2016-10-31T16:39:59 < Kliment> [7]: But thanks for the warning 2016-10-31T16:40:30 < [7]> Kliment: I pondered doing that "ESP flashing stm32" thing once, and ran into some issues that it would upset the STM32 at powerup in some way 2016-10-31T16:40:47 < Kliment> [7]: What issues? 2016-10-31T16:41:09 < Kliment> [7]: I have bootloader disabled by default 2016-10-31T16:41:17 < [7]> probably nothing that you couldn't fix by giving the stm32 another reset pulse after the ESP has booted, but I didn't want to go down that route in my application 2016-10-31T16:41:34 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.145.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-31T16:41:58 < karlp> telnet's pretty unfriendly for end users :) 2016-10-31T16:41:58 < [7]> the plan was to have GPIO0/2 hooked up to nRST and BOOT0 of the STM32 + UART obviously 2016-10-31T16:42:30 < [7]> karlp: depends on the kind of end user, I hate those web things sometimes ;) 2016-10-31T16:43:13 < [7]> but the decision was made based on some other considerations in this case (firmware complexity, memory requirements, ...) 2016-10-31T16:43:19 < Kliment> [7]: Oh, heh, that's literally exactly what I've done 2016-10-31T16:43:28 < [7]> and I needed some kind of telnet command interface anyway, so I just added some commands there 2016-10-31T16:43:47 < Kliment> [7]: The gpio0/2 thing I mean 2016-10-31T16:44:20 < Kliment> [7]: Oh well, this is designed to be restarted at most every few months 2016-10-31T16:44:29 < [7]> http://bbs.espressif.com/viewtopic.php?t=2101 2016-10-31T16:44:39 < Kliment> [7]: So resetting the MCU post-start is no problem 2016-10-31T16:45:26 < [7]> and on GPIO2 you're getting some UART output IIRC 2016-10-31T16:45:31 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-31T16:45:31 < Kliment> [7]: Oh, wait, never mind 2016-10-31T16:45:47 < Kliment> [7]: GPIO0 is the bootloader selector for the ESP not the MCU 2016-10-31T16:46:09 < Kliment> [7]: My MCU reset is on pin 4 2016-10-31T16:46:17 < [7]> yes, I was working with ESP-01 back then, so I had to use those two 2016-10-31T16:46:33 < [7]> I'm more worried about that crap on nRST than on boot0 though 2016-10-31T16:46:43 < Kliment> And GPIO2 is tied to the BOOT0 of the stm32 2016-10-31T16:47:30 < [7]> still wondering WTF they have smoked to make the ESP's boot ROM wiggle those pins 2016-10-31T16:47:44 < [7]> that seems like a *very* silly idea 2016-10-31T16:48:26 < [7]> anything other than high impedance before you know which application circuitry you're is asking for trouble 2016-10-31T16:48:43 < [7]> you're in is...* 2016-10-31T16:49:27 < Kliment> Okay, crap, boot0 is pulled low and looks like that fucks things up for the esp 2016-10-31T16:50:19 < [7]> heh, this kind of thing is a minefield ;) 2016-10-31T16:50:40 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.52] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T16:50:50 < Kliment> Luckily it's an accessible trace I can cut 2016-10-31T16:50:55 <+Laurenceb_> I think ESP uses copypasta development 2016-10-31T16:51:08 < [7]> I really hope they did this better on ESP32 2016-10-31T16:51:22 < Kliment> Could even drill out a single via to disconnect iy 2016-10-31T16:51:23 < Kliment> it* 2016-10-31T16:51:42 < [7]> I'll probably start playing with that some time in 2017 when the software platform has somewhat stabilized 2016-10-31T16:51:45 < Kliment> [7]: Do you remember which pins are safe to use? 2016-10-31T16:52:25 < [7]> no, I've mostly used ESP-01 so far where I didn't have much choice 2016-10-31T16:55:04 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T16:57:56 <+Laurenceb_> ESP also eats current 2016-10-31T17:01:09 <+Laurenceb_> then again, the stm32f2 based wifi modules also eat it 2016-10-31T17:01:56 < Steffanx> I get the idea they are pretty serious laurenceb_. They hired some (well known) dutch guy called Sprite_tm 2016-10-31T17:02:20 <+Laurenceb_> that name rigs a bell 2016-10-31T17:02:43 < Steffanx> Spritesmod.com maybe? 2016-10-31T17:02:47 <+Laurenceb_> yup 2016-10-31T17:02:54 <+Laurenceb_> wifi still sucks 2016-10-31T17:03:06 <+Laurenceb_> then again, ism band would suck even more if everyone was using it 2016-10-31T17:03:46 < BrainDamage> the pedant in me wans to point out that wifi /is/ in ism bands 2016-10-31T17:04:16 < BrainDamage> and actually it does a tollerable job considering the dump that the 2.4 GHz band is 2016-10-31T17:07:40 * [7] is currently designing an NRF24L01-based 2.4GHz system ;) 2016-10-31T17:07:58 < [7]> actually there's much less packet loss than I had expected 2016-10-31T17:08:41 < [7]> wifi nicely backs off if I start babbling into its channel :) 2016-10-31T17:16:49 <+Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: yeah the main problem is that 2.4GHz is a mess 2016-10-31T17:19:37 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T17:22:33 -!- barthess [~barthess@86.57.155.106] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-31T17:23:26 -!- massi [~massi@host164-128-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-31T17:35:20 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-129-255.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-31T17:44:59 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-31T17:47:45 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T18:03:42 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T18:06:20 -!- kisielk_ [~kisielk@S010690b134fc82a2.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-31T18:08:28 -!- Tectu [~Tectu@193.231.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 2016-10-31T18:18:02 -!- tonyarkles [~tonyarkle@static24-72-64-245.r.rev.accesscomm.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T18:22:32 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T18:27:21 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-10-31T18:28:08 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.14.166] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T18:31:04 -!- pero_p [uid63038@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pgrynfboqrdlhvqr] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 2016-10-31T18:32:35 < aandrew> karlp: I do *very* little with esp8266 2016-10-31T18:32:41 < aandrew> haven't started that particualr part of that specific project yet 2016-10-31T18:33:47 < karlp> aandrew: no sweat :) 2016-10-31T18:40:28 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T18:46:26 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T18:47:12 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T18:47:30 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T18:59:40 < Rob235> hmm 2016-10-31T19:01:18 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-31T19:01:43 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-31T19:08:11 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-10-31T19:12:24 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T19:13:05 -!- kisielk [~kisielk@66.51.141.58] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T19:14:14 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-31T19:22:34 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T19:24:25 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T19:26:01 < Steffanx> "This video is unlisted. Be considerate and think twice before sharing." Did you do that? 2016-10-31T19:26:48 < Steffanx> its not yet aligned perfectly. is it? 2016-10-31T19:34:27 < Rob235> thats automatic 2016-10-31T19:53:42 -!- PeterK [~PeterK2@h-79-136-64-170.na.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-31T19:54:37 -!- sterna [~Adium@h-90-120.a137.corp.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-31T20:17:47 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T20:18:43 < Ecco> Guys, I'd like to simulate a simple circuit with an N-FET and a couple resistors 2016-10-31T20:18:49 < Ecco> what software would you recommend? 2016-10-31T20:19:07 < LeelooMinai> Tina-TI is ok imo 2016-10-31T20:19:17 < aandrew> circuitlab.com? 2016-10-31T20:19:35 < Ecco> is ltspice any good? 2016-10-31T20:19:47 < LeelooMinai> Engine ok, GUI - abomination 2016-10-31T20:19:50 < Ecco> ok 2016-10-31T20:23:18 < Steffanx> and no one says falstad? :D 2016-10-31T20:24:45 < Ecco> ok 2016-10-31T20:24:52 < Ecco> Anything offline? 2016-10-31T20:25:30 -!- mumptai [~calle@x5f7770ef.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T20:26:46 < Steffanx> TI 84+ .. casio -_- 2016-10-31T20:26:58 < Ecco> ok :) 2016-10-31T20:26:59 < Ecco> thanks 2016-10-31T20:28:06 < Steffanx> Yeah, so one can plot the stuff. 2016-10-31T20:28:17 < BrainDamage> there's qucs if you like masochism and sores 2016-10-31T20:28:27 < Steffanx> Or even write the simulator in assembly. 2016-10-31T20:28:37 < Ecco> :-D 2016-10-31T20:28:53 < BrainDamage> hah, i bet most here don't know how a sim work 2016-10-31T20:28:55 -!- jadew [~razvan@86.127.196.34] has quit [Quit: exit] 2016-10-31T20:29:05 < Steffanx> Do we need to? 2016-10-31T20:29:18 < BrainDamage> for trivial circuits: no 2016-10-31T20:29:33 < BrainDamage> for funky stuff, sorta 2016-10-31T20:29:37 < Steffanx> but we have you to explain the difficult stuff :) 2016-10-31T20:29:42 < BrainDamage> to write one, absolutely 2016-10-31T20:29:56 < BrainDamage> i'm not wikipedia 2016-10-31T20:30:25 < Steffanx> but sometimes your insights are more useful than wikipedia 2016-10-31T20:30:39 < Steffanx> *often 2016-10-31T20:33:02 -!- jadew [~razvan@unaffiliated/jadew] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T20:39:18 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-31T20:41:43 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2016-10-31T20:48:47 < LeelooMinai> Ecco: BTW, http://www.ti.com/tool/tina-ti 2016-10-31T20:49:12 < Rob235> what can I use that will decode 1080p x265 hevc video 2016-10-31T20:49:32 < Rob235> which arm processor 2016-10-31T20:50:37 < Steffanx> Most recent rpi aint THAT bad. 2016-10-31T20:52:56 < Rob235> $40 not bad I guess for that, I was hoping a bit cheaper 2016-10-31T20:53:55 < Rob235> I meant something not as powerful, I don't need 4k 2016-10-31T20:54:09 < BrainDamage> http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G145326484280&tab_idx=1 2016-10-31T20:54:39 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.180] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T20:55:02 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T20:56:54 -!- boB_K7IQ [~IceChat9@2603:3023:50a:4600:d0cf:2220:ab23:abed] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T20:57:49 < BrainDamage> it does, it's the same chipset of the C1+ 2016-10-31T20:58:45 < BrainDamage> oh nvm, i'm mixing c1 and c2 2016-10-31T21:00:48 < LeelooMinai> + $100 shipping? :) 2016-10-31T21:01:23 < LeelooMinai> "I don't drink wine" 2016-10-31T21:01:45 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.14.166] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-31T21:02:08 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/MZ6zD8u.png :( 2016-10-31T21:02:34 < LeelooMinai> Well, it's not _that_ bad... 2016-10-31T21:02:39 < Rob235> I guess it needs a heatsink 2016-10-31T21:02:42 < LeelooMinai> But no match for .com 2016-10-31T21:02:46 < BrainDamage> you know that amazon isn't total shit outside the us, right? 2016-10-31T21:02:57 < BrainDamage> for instance prime here costs 10€/year 2016-10-31T21:03:31 < BrainDamage> a single courier shipping will typically cost 7 2016-10-31T21:04:18 < LeelooMinai> I don't even pay for Prime, but many products are shipping-free if they are over $25 2016-10-31T21:05:03 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I should probably check what would Prime even get me 2016-10-31T21:05:15 -!- KreAture [~KreAture@178.74.17.140] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T21:05:33 < LeelooMinai> What do you mean utter shit though - I bought quite a lot of stuff there and it was fine 2016-10-31T21:06:10 < LeelooMinai> Probably some exception 2016-10-31T21:06:22 < LeelooMinai> englishman: Just asshole US sellers imo:) 2016-10-31T21:06:25 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.14.166] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T21:07:33 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@bas2-toronto26-3096699094.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-31T21:08:51 < LeelooMinai> Well, https://www.amazon.ca/AmazonBasics-Port-USB-3-0-Hub/dp/B00GGYU8TC 2016-10-31T21:08:56 -!- tecdroid [~icke@37.120.71.201] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T21:09:01 < LeelooMinai> They have some at least:) 2016-10-31T21:09:42 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I just realized I don't have a single USB 3.0 device 2016-10-31T21:10:51 < LeelooMinai> If my LA would be USB 3.0 it would be nice - could download much faster. 2016-10-31T21:11:04 < LeelooMinai> Maybe next decade:) 2016-10-31T21:12:40 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I still do not know what Prime would give me? Does that apply to any items then, even if they are less than $25? 2016-10-31T21:14:23 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-10-31T21:14:38 < LeelooMinai> E, nm, it's $79CAD a year - too expensive. 2016-10-31T21:15:43 -!- Laurenceb_ [~laurence@host86-179-129-255.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T21:16:32 -!- scrts [~quassel@unaffiliated/scrts] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T21:20:40 -!- decimad [~deci@ip5f5be4e9.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T21:22:03 < decimad> Okay guys, since Segger decided I have to buy a new j-link adapter for cortex m7 support, I'm pondering using some ftdi based adapter with openocd... Anybody can recommend a good adapter? 2016-10-31T21:22:45 < LeelooMinai> Hm? 2016-10-31T21:23:21 < LeelooMinai> decimad: What do you mean - they say they support ARM7 and M7 2016-10-31T21:24:12 < decimad> Only with hardware versions >= 9.1 2016-10-31T21:24:41 < LeelooMinai> I have EDU and it is I think 9.x, so maybe buy that one? :) 2016-10-31T21:24:43 < decimad> Which is why I would have to replace my 2 years old adapter 2016-10-31T21:25:04 < LeelooMinai> 9.4 2016-10-31T21:25:46 < LeelooMinai> It's not very expensive. 2016-10-31T21:26:20 < decimad> No - but this behaviour is unacceptable for me 2016-10-31T21:26:52 < zyp> decimad, which do you have? 2016-10-31T21:27:00 < decimad> hardware v 8.0 2016-10-31T21:27:08 < zyp> which kind? 2016-10-31T21:27:08 < LeelooMinai> Maybe it's a real hardware issue? I don't know. 2016-10-31T21:27:09 < zyp> EDU? 2016-10-31T21:27:19 < decimad> yes 2016-10-31T21:27:47 < zyp> that's pretty assholeish 2016-10-31T21:28:15 < decimad> what do you mean? 2016-10-31T21:28:29 < LeelooMinai> "Typically, we support older models with new software at least 3 years after end of life." 2016-10-31T21:28:46 < LeelooMinai> Maybe it's more than 3 years old. 2016-10-31T21:29:00 < decimad> Well, I bought it end of 2014 2016-10-31T21:31:39 < LeelooMinai> decimad: What about this? 2016-10-31T21:31:45 < LeelooMinai> https://www.segger.com/trade-in-program.htm 2016-10-31T21:32:01 < LeelooMinai> Probably does not apply to EDU:/ 2016-10-31T21:32:24 < decimad> I don't think they do that for edu's, at least they weren't listed on that program 2016-10-31T21:32:56 < LeelooMinai> You could try to sell yours... 2016-10-31T21:33:01 < LeelooMinai> On ebay or something. 2016-10-31T21:33:28 < LeelooMinai> A lot of people will not even use M7 2016-10-31T21:36:43 -!- Activate_for_moa [~A@213.87.131.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2016-10-31T21:37:32 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T21:38:23 < decimad> well I'll try to ask on segger forums once my account is accepted... 2016-10-31T21:38:56 < decimad> but if the only option is to buy a new one without trade-in, I think I'll go the openocd route 2016-10-31T21:41:40 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/7keKIMe.png 2016-10-31T21:42:22 < LeelooMinai> "Hitler reacts to his J-Link not working with M7" 2016-10-31T21:44:11 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 2016-10-31T21:47:57 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T21:49:02 < decimad> Well, I might not start a war over this... 2016-10-31T21:51:57 < PaulFertser> decimad: with OpenOCD you can use any j-link with m7. 2016-10-31T21:52:42 < decimad> PaulFertser: Is that advisable from a comfort/speed point? 2016-10-31T21:52:54 < PaulFertser> decimad: I think yes, it'll be about as fast as ftdi. 2016-10-31T21:52:57 < decimad> compared to a ftdi dongle 2016-10-31T21:53:01 < decimad> oh, okay 2016-10-31T21:54:09 < PaulFertser> decimad: I know in some particular cases stepping through code is faster with segger's server, but so far I'm happy enough with OpenOCD. 2016-10-31T21:54:43 < Steffanx> decimad, hitler already lost the war when he "said" that ;) 2016-10-31T21:54:44 < decimad> PaulFertser: Thanks for that hint, I wasn't aware. Gonna try that! 2016-10-31T21:57:52 < PaulFertser> decimad: use git HEAD, not 0.9.0, it's too long since the last release. 2016-10-31T21:58:21 < decimad> PaulFertser: Problem again is I'm on windows... msys and cygwin don't sound that great -.- 2016-10-31T21:58:32 < PaulFertser> decimad: msys2 is great, what's wrong with it? 2016-10-31T21:59:01 < decimad> Installing stuff... would it not be possible to build it with msvc? 2016-10-31T21:59:21 < BrainDamage> can't you try that ubuntu stuff for windows? 2016-10-31T21:59:30 < PaulFertser> decimad: also you can get precompiled something from chopin's site or the eclipse emdedded project, not sure how recent the latest versions are there though. 2016-10-31T21:59:45 < PaulFertser> BrainDamage: nope, no support for libusb I'm afraid 2016-10-31T22:00:18 < PaulFertser> decimad: openocd builds fine with clang. But MSVC might be problematic, I heard they still do not support C99 ; 2016-10-31T22:00:44 < PaulFertser> decimad: with msys2 you get like homebrew but for windows. 2016-10-31T22:00:48 < decimad> well, granted, they focus on c++ 2016-10-31T22:01:59 < PaulFertser> I wanted to compile OpenOCD as if it is a C++ code once but there were issues. Like no support for struct initialisers with explicitly named fields. 2016-10-31T22:02:42 < LeelooMinai> Is that even a thing in C++? 2016-10-31T22:02:53 < PaulFertser> It's not, hence the problem. 2016-10-31T22:03:33 < LeelooMinai> Right, I never saw anythung like that - it's not in the standard. 2016-10-31T22:04:35 < PaulFertser> OpenOCD uses static structs to store list of callbacks to functions implementing internal API on all layers. 2016-10-31T22:05:54 < LeelooMinai> PaulFertser: You can still initialize selectively - with constexpr's. 2016-10-31T22:06:32 < LeelooMinai> PaulFertser: In my code I pre-construct whole configuration structures this way during compile. 2016-10-31T22:06:42 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: when I get insane enough I might try that trick, thanks for the hint. 2016-10-31T22:07:07 < LeelooMinai> constexpr rule, especially since C+=14 when they relaxed what can be put into them:) 2016-10-31T22:07:10 < PaulFertser> Should be possible to automate as a pure text transformation. 2016-10-31T22:07:14 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: indeed 2016-10-31T22:08:29 < PaulFertser> Too bad it took so much time for C++ to start becoming a nice language. And unfortunately backwards compatibility affects this process a lot, it's still so quirky and kind of unfriendly... 2016-10-31T22:08:39 < PaulFertser> It looks like Rust is the most promising of them all. 2016-10-31T22:09:20 < karlp> they've got to work on minimal size though 2016-10-31T22:09:33 < karlp> right now if you want it compact, you have to throw away most of the good bits 2016-10-31T22:10:02 < LeelooMinai> Right, I looked into Rust in the past. I would certainly try it, but I like nice tool support (Eclipse-like IDE, etc.) and there's little hope for that to approach what is supported for C++. 2016-10-31T22:10:27 < decimad> Hrmm, will I need to install some winusb driver? I tried an opencd binary using jlink, but it bails out with LIBUSB_ERROR_NOT_SUPPORTED. 2016-10-31T22:10:45 < LeelooMinai> I saw some people tried Rust on STM32 I think - was not insane enough to actually try it. 2016-10-31T22:10:51 < zyp> decimad, not install, just bind 2016-10-31T22:10:58 < zyp> decimad, zadig can do that 2016-10-31T22:11:33 < LeelooMinai> Right, the zidag thing... Just know that it will replace the old driver... 2016-10-31T22:11:49 < LeelooMinai> So if you need another software that uses that one - oops. 2016-10-31T22:12:20 < zyp> karlp, managed to fight my way through openembedded, now I actually got it to build a working u-boot, kernel and rootfs 2016-10-31T22:12:48 < decimad> LeelooMinai: Can't zidag restore the old driver? 2016-10-31T22:13:06 < zyp> sure it can 2016-10-31T22:13:09 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-10-31T22:13:20 -!- bvernoux [~Ben@chl26-1-88-183-104-56.fbx.proxad.net] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T22:13:31 < LeelooMinai> It can, but I remember once I did that, I could not get the old back. Eventually did after some voodoo restarts, etc., but have bad memory of it:) 2016-10-31T22:14:23 < zyp> eh, I've done that a bunch of times, works fine 2016-10-31T22:14:53 < LeelooMinai> I think I did that for my LA (DSLogic) when I tried sigrok. 2016-10-31T22:15:14 < LeelooMinai> Couldn't get the old one back. But maybe it's DSLogic drivers, who knows. 2016-10-31T22:15:22 < zyp> you don't even have to bind it back, just delete the winusb binding and let windows rediscover the device and bind the default driver for it 2016-10-31T22:17:36 < LeelooMinai> C++ is okish now if you cherry picks, but still - is a monster of a spec, convoluted beyond recognition by now and just feels like something with a spec 1/10 the size, "lean and mean" would be much better for micros... but one can dream. 2016-10-31T22:17:55 < PaulFertser> decimad: yes, winusb 2016-10-31T22:18:24 < PaulFertser> zyp: btw, uboot and linux can be built with g-a-e, they do not depend on libc. 2016-10-31T22:18:44 < zyp> sure, but the rest of the system does 2016-10-31T22:19:05 < PaulFertser> Intel pushes Yocto/OE hard for cross-compiling nowadays. 2016-10-31T22:19:36 < zyp> not just intel 2016-10-31T22:20:02 < LeelooMinai> Does this apply to micros, or I should skip reading what Yocto is? :) 2016-10-31T22:20:07 < PaulFertser> OE kinda makes sense for this kind of work but it's inherently hard if you're trying to follow latest developments of all the packages comprising a modern OS... Harder than Gentoo. 2016-10-31T22:20:23 < zyp> LeelooMinai, no, it's for embedded linux 2016-10-31T22:20:43 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: it's like Gentoo for cross-compiling. 2016-10-31T22:20:44 < LeelooMinai> Right, so meh:) 2016-10-31T22:21:15 < zyp> PaulFertser, that's a clever way to put it 2016-10-31T22:21:18 < PaulFertser> zyp: OpenWrt/LEDE is also worth considering IMHO when it comes to less capable systems, have you tried it? 2016-10-31T22:21:43 < zyp> not tried, but briefly looked at it 2016-10-31T22:23:34 < karlp> zyp: congrats :) 2016-10-31T22:23:56 < PaulFertser> zyp: in my experience, native compilation is usually way less pain so if one's target is beefy enough to run e.g. stock Debian, it often makes sense to just stick to it and compile additional packets with pbuilder/qemu. 2016-10-31T22:24:51 < zyp> idk, openembedded seems to work fairly well 2016-10-31T22:24:54 * karlp is in deep pain/anger with lede/openwrt righ tnow. turns out AP+STA is just a known "yeah, that doesn't work properly" 2016-10-31T22:25:07 < karlp> get the password for the STA side wrong, lose the AP as well. 2016-10-31T22:25:47 < PaulFertser> zyp: it surely does. The problem is with all the additional software that often has cross-compile bugs or new version comes that's not exactly compatible with some older library etc. Since OE is not as popular as other distros, you have to solve issues like that more often. 2016-10-31T22:25:52 < zyp> problems I've had so far has been outdated and messy .bb-files from intel, that I've ported to/recreated with newest 2016-10-31T22:26:13 < PaulFertser> karlp: eh, how so? I was using AP+STA and it just worked. What exactly do you mean? 2016-10-31T22:26:34 < karlp> PaulFertser: same radio? or two radios? 2016-10-31T22:26:50 < PaulFertser> karlp: same, tried that both on ath9k and rt5350 2016-10-31T22:26:57 -!- ColdKeyboard [~ColdKeybo@bas2-toronto26-184-147-224-214.dsl.bell.ca] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T22:27:11 < karlp> if you have an AP up, and try to connect to an existing AP as a STA, and you get the password wrong, you lose the whole radio interface while it fails forever to connect 2016-10-31T22:27:18 < karlp> on ath9k 2016-10-31T22:27:26 < karlp> and jow said, "yeha, that's known hellhole" 2016-10-31T22:27:36 < karlp> it works just fine if you get the password right 2016-10-31T22:27:42 < PaulFertser> karlp: or if the other AP is just not there, right. 2016-10-31T22:27:48 < karlp> (it also fails if the upstream AP goes away too) 2016-10-31T22:28:00 < karlp> yeah ==> fucking useless fail 2016-10-31T22:28:09 < PaulFertser> karlp: but it's not about OpenWrt, is a WiFi limitation thing. You can workaround it with userlevel scripts if you want. 2016-10-31T22:28:26 < PaulFertser> It's very useful in plenty of usecases. 2016-10-31T22:28:33 < karlp> it's openwrt/ledes network manager sw that is the problem 2016-10-31T22:28:42 < karlp> the radios are completely ok, you have to be on the same channel, but that's fine. 2016-10-31T22:29:08 < karlp> there's zero usecase for "turn off interface A because interface B is not up" as the default and only behaviour 2016-10-31T22:29:36 < PaulFertser> karlp: try that with plain hostapd and wpa_supplicant then, I think it'll be problematic too. wpa_supplicant wants to scan for AP all the time. hostapd needs the channel fixed. 2016-10-31T22:29:39 < zyp> one reason I'm doing openembedded is that I don't want any distro-stuff 2016-10-31T22:29:57 < zyp> I want a minimal base that I can add the shit I need to 2016-10-31T22:30:14 < karlp> PaulFertser: that will likely make it worse yo urealize? You need something to orchestrate those daemons to be sensible abotu what they're doign. 2016-10-31T22:30:21 < decimad> So this is my sample line in openocd.cfg: "target create MyTarget cortex_m -chain-position fo-controller.cpu -endian little -rtos ChibiOS" ... it barks at me that -chain-position must be specified 2016-10-31T22:31:08 < PaulFertser> karlp: those daemons are there and are not openwrt-specific. I agree OpenWrt could behave better in the cases you describe, but it would require additional special handling. The way it works now is natural. 2016-10-31T22:31:22 < karlp> bullshit, even jow agrees that it sucks. 2016-10-31T22:31:31 < karlp> it works the way it has always worked, bu no-one likes it. 2016-10-31T22:31:35 < zyp> decimad, don't write your own config from scratch, include one that already does most of the work for you 2016-10-31T22:31:45 < PaulFertser> decimad: please use upstream config files. If you need to specify a rtos, add $_TARGETNAME -configure -rtos ChibiOS after sourcing a target config. 2016-10-31T22:32:23 < decimad> so in my case that would be stm32f7x.cfg I guess?= 2016-10-31T22:32:29 < LeelooMinai> decimad: Don't forget the j-link option somwhere there 2016-10-31T22:32:48 < PaulFertser> karlp: try plain hostapd+wpa_supplicant, without netifd. 2016-10-31T22:32:54 < PaulFertser> decimad: righ 2016-10-31T22:32:55 < decimad> jlink seems to be working now, it's only I have no targets configured 2016-10-31T22:33:19 < PaulFertser> decimad: if you're using swd, you need to add transport select swd in-between adapter and target configs. 2016-10-31T22:33:38 < karlp> PaulFertser: how would that actually possibly make it better? 2016-10-31T22:33:55 < karlp> wpa sup expects to own the interface as does hostapd 2016-10-31T22:34:06 < PaulFertser> karlp: it won't, that's my point. netifd in not guilty in what you describe. 2016-10-31T22:34:18 < karlp> openwrt w netifd is bascially not doing anything helpful for me 2016-10-31T22:34:36 < karlp> yes, netifd is guitly for not useing wpasupp and hostapd to _be useful_ 2016-10-31T22:35:02 < karlp> so why would I try using just wpa_sup and hostapd by themselves? 2016-10-31T22:35:03 < PaulFertser> karlp: it's unclear what exactly you want even: should it let wpa_supplicant scan just once and then stop it and start hostapd only? Or what? 2016-10-31T22:35:36 < karlp> it can come back and scan periodically for a bit, anything, but the AP _must_ stay (mostly) available. 2016-10-31T22:35:57 < karlp> imagine you're connected via the AP, and you need to connect to an usptream AP, and you get it wrong, or it's not available, and so the actually config AP is just gone forever 2016-10-31T22:36:04 < karlp> => useless 2016-10-31T22:36:12 < karlp> completely dead in the water too, no recovery path 2016-10-31T22:36:17 < PaulFertser> karlp: the config is not gone, you can connect with wired ethernet. 2016-10-31T22:36:38 < karlp> a) if you have wired ethernet and b) if your wired ethernet config is reasonable for what you're trying to do. 2016-10-31T22:36:50 < karlp> and c) that's a terrrrrrible workaround for it simply being busted 2016-10-31T22:37:02 < PaulFertser> karlp: yes, but the config itself not gone. And there's always generic failsafe. 2016-10-31T22:37:26 < karlp> what, upstream AP turned off, failsafe just to get back to config for anything_else_ ont eh device? hell no! 2016-10-31T22:37:37 < karlp> that's apalling usability 2016-10-31T22:37:43 < decimad> bam, it seems to have connected alright! 2016-10-31T22:38:09 < decimad> now I gotta set up gnuarmeclipse stuff 2016-10-31T22:38:18 * LeelooMinai imagines j-link looking at the connection and thinking "And wth are you..." 2016-10-31T22:38:19 < PaulFertser> Then this feature in its current shape is not for you. OpenWrt just uses what hardware, hostapd + wpa_supplicant provide, it does no extra tricks. You need/want extra tricks but they're not there, agreed. Still even without tricks it's useful for plenty of other usecases. 2016-10-31T22:39:04 -!- bugzc [~1@unaffiliated/bugzc] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-10-31T22:39:27 < karlp> Kliment: current nodemcu uart seems to support parity just fine in the code at least? did you test that at all? 2016-10-31T22:39:28 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: actually, Alex from Segger provided OpenOCD with useful suggestions, explanations etc. OpenOCD works with J-Link on the lowest level protocol, it doesn't involve any fancy flash breakpoints, autonomous flashing etc. 2016-10-31T22:39:41 < karlp> PaulFertser: sure, openwrt is still useful, no objection there, 2016-10-31T22:40:26 < karlp> just saying that it is easy to config ap+sta, there's tutorials on it and examples, but it's borderline non-functional, and has been for ~2 years at least as best I can tell. 2016-10-31T22:40:35 < LeelooMinai> PaulFertser: Right, I guess they don't feel threatened, becuase they main sell is all the fancy tools, and production features. 2016-10-31T22:40:45 < karlp> I was rather brutally disappointed that there seemed to be zero progress on it either 2016-10-31T22:41:10 < karlp> jow poitned out a methods that would probably be welcome additions, but it sucked hard that such a basic iot type functionality was simply _not ther_ 2016-10-31T22:41:19 < PaulFertser> karlp: I'd say it's just that you're hoping for this feature to be useful in conditions that are uncommon for the other users of this function. 2016-10-31T22:41:41 < karlp> "this function" being what? wifi? sure, I knwo að+sta isn't as common as just ap or just sta 2016-10-31T22:42:06 < karlp> but just about every device coming out with just wifi is doing ap+sta for config 2016-10-31T22:42:08 < Kliment> karlp: Someone wrote on the forums that they tried it but it didn't actually change the setting 2016-10-31T22:42:14 < PaulFertser> karlp: this function being ap+sta. And it appeared long before iot became trendy. And it's there just because kernel drivers provide it. 2016-10-31T22:42:35 < karlp> Kliment: how old was the post? 2016-10-31T22:42:56 < PaulFertser> karlp: some devices are doing that modern p2p shit... 2016-10-31T22:43:03 < karlp> dec 14 2015 has a commit for "fix parity and stopbit generation" ? 2016-10-31T22:43:26 < karlp> PaulFertser: and is ther eany support for that in openwrt? ;) 2016-10-31T22:43:43 < PaulFertser> karlp: on uci config level? 2016-10-31T22:43:53 < karlp> in any way shape or form. 2016-10-31T22:43:55 < Kliment> karlp: Oh cool 2016-10-31T22:44:18 < Kliment> karlp: It was before that 2016-10-31T22:44:20 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-31T22:44:28 < PaulFertser> karlp: it's all there available because it's a feature of kernel drivers + wpa_supplicant. 2016-10-31T22:44:54 < karlp> yes, but that's not really relevant. it'ðs like saying "linux kernel has support for user processes" 2016-10-31T22:45:02 < karlp> it might be true, but it's useless by itself. 2016-10-31T22:45:26 < PaulFertser> karlp: if you're using it for iot device you can easily write a shell script to utilise that. 2016-10-31T22:45:34 < karlp> unless you want to write all your own scripts to drive hostapd/wpa_supp yourself. and presto, you're rewriting networkmanager/systemd/netifd/etcetrcetcetc 2016-10-31T22:45:49 < PaulFertser> karlp: does NM support p2p btw? 2016-10-31T22:45:49 < karlp> why on _earth_ would I want to be rewriting that sort of stuff "just because I can" 2016-10-31T22:46:14 < BrainDamage> oh are you trying to use wifi p2p in linux? 2016-10-31T22:46:15 < PaulFertser> karlp: NM is certainly not an option for embedded that's why. 2016-10-31T22:46:31 < karlp> BrainDamage: I'm just rying to use ap+sta 2016-10-31T22:46:57 < karlp> it's not really relevant for this channel any more, and paul's being very optimistic buyt very codependent 2016-10-31T22:47:02 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T22:47:22 < PaulFertser> karlp: ap+sta on single phy is basically a hack. Not sure why you say production iot devices use that. The wifi arseholes developed p2p for this kind of job. 2016-10-31T22:47:51 < karlp> you only need the ap for one or two users, having it on the same channel as the sta is perfectly fine. 2016-10-31T22:48:27 -!- barthess [~barthess@93.84.14.166] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-31T22:48:43 < PaulFertser> karlp: of course, for as long as the sta can access its AP. 2016-10-31T22:49:07 < karlp> not sure how you think wifi p2p is any different, it says it's just a soft ap. 2016-10-31T22:49:18 < karlp> unless you're putting an extra phy in, youv'e got the same issues. 2016-10-31T22:50:08 < PaulFertser> p2p has relevant procedures in place to notify other participants of what's happening. 2016-10-31T22:53:47 < LeelooMinai> So, I decided to educate myself a bit more on multitasking internals, before I decide on something simple, but practical to replace FreeRTOS and i have a simple question already. 2016-10-31T22:54:58 < LeelooMinai> In the co-operative case, how is exactly yield implemented? They write it calls back the scheduler, but it must be something more than that, otherwise all those calls would accumulate on a stack, no? 2016-10-31T22:55:40 < upgrdman> anyone written code to use serial ports in windows? the lib im using seems to take 15-18 milliseconds every time i try to read from the port, is this normal? i know windows isnt real-time, but this seems kind of excessive. 2016-10-31T22:56:33 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: upcall/syscall, some software-generated interrupt. 2016-10-31T22:57:16 < LeelooMinai> Interrupt to do what though? 2016-10-31T22:57:16 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: and scheduler replaces whatever necessary to return to another process. 2016-10-31T22:57:24 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: to call scheduler :) 2016-10-31T22:57:50 < LeelooMinai> So the scheduler still needs to do some stack switching and other "magic"? 2016-10-31T22:58:18 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: if we're talking about a traditional RTOS with stackful threads, yes. 2016-10-31T22:58:51 < LeelooMinai> Is there something simpler that could be done? 2016-10-31T22:59:40 < LeelooMinai> Say, one stack maybe. 2016-10-31T23:01:03 < PaulFertser> Coroutines 2016-10-31T23:01:47 < LeelooMinai> Right, I read something in FreeRTOS about those, but they seem to be obsoleted there. 2016-10-31T23:02:13 < decimad> don't coroutines switch stacks as well? 2016-10-31T23:02:32 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, not sure how hard-core I want to go to make this baby-rtos 2016-10-31T23:02:41 < PaulFertser> There exist stackless coroutines. 2016-10-31T23:02:47 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-10-31T23:03:24 -!- kuldeep [~kuldeep@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-10-31T23:04:36 -!- upgrdman [~upgrdman@blender/artist/upgrdman] has joined ##stm32 2016-10-31T23:04:59 < PaulFertser> Protothreads in Contiki 2016-10-31T23:05:30 < karlp> heh, have fun using them in c++ ;) 2016-10-31T23:06:38 < PaulFertser> Probably ok without exceptions? 2016-10-31T23:06:47 < zyp> it's a shame C++ doesn't have proper coroutine-syntax 2016-10-31T23:06:58 < LeelooMinai> Exceptions on micros are bad anyways. 2016-10-31T23:07:08 < zyp> LeelooMinai, why? 2016-10-31T23:07:38 < LeelooMinai> Take a lot of extra resources and impact performance, and what do you get in return - not that much imo. 2016-10-31T23:07:57 < PaulFertser> https://github.com/benhoyt/protothreads-cpp 2016-10-31T23:08:32 < zyp> LeelooMinai, you claim so, but isn't one of the points of exceptions to aid performance? 2016-10-31T23:09:30 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I mean, instead of spending a lot of time checking return codes everywhere, exceptions only forces you to spend cycles on error handling when you actually have an exception to unwind 2016-10-31T23:09:58 < zyp> so if you use exceptions only for exceptional conditions, it should improve overall performance 2016-10-31T23:10:30 < decimad> zyp: C++ doesn't specify the performance in case an exception happens 2016-10-31T23:10:40 < LeelooMinai> zyp: But for cases when you actually have an exception and you want to recover from it, unwind the stack, etc. I think on micros you have much less possible actions if something exploded horribly,. 2016-10-31T23:10:50 < decimad> everybody happens to get it really quick if no exceptions happens 2016-10-31T23:11:04 < decimad> but if you can't tell how long it takes, it rules out use in realtime stuff 2016-10-31T23:11:49 < LeelooMinai> Also, exceptions tend to pull in some gloaty code from libraries. Most of it probably does not make any sense on micros anyways. 2016-10-31T23:11:54 < zyp> decimad, do you have any basis for those claims? I'd think stack unwinding is fairly deterministic 2016-10-31T23:11:54 < LeelooMinai> bloaty* 2016-10-31T23:12:22 < LeelooMinai> Doesn't it depend on how many things are on the stack? 2016-10-31T23:12:36 < LeelooMinai> I would imagine it needs to enumerate all the calls on there somehow? 2016-10-31T23:12:49 < decimad> zyp: It's what I read about multiple times. I also never saw a compiler vendor specifying deterministic rules 2016-10-31T23:13:12 < zyp> LeelooMinai, yes, all RAII destructors and the likes that you're unwinding through needs to be executed 2016-10-31T23:14:24 < LeelooMinai> For now I don't feel the urge to experiment with exceptions on micros for some reason:p 2016-10-31T23:14:58 < zyp> I've been tempted to 2016-10-31T23:15:04 < LeelooMinai> But I don't know... If someone actually looked into those and optimized them/verified for such usage, ok... 2016-10-31T23:15:48 < LeelooMinai> Say if the arm toolchain people said in new release "deterministic exceptions with minimal code overhead" or something like that, ok:) 2016-10-31T23:16:39 < LeelooMinai> But still, meh... not sure if that would be that great overall. 2016-10-31T23:18:24 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, seems I will need to implement some time of context switcher anyways. What can go wrong. 2016-10-31T23:18:31 < LeelooMinai> some kind* 2016-10-31T23:28:54 -!- Rob235 [~Rob235@c-73-178-146-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 2016-10-31T23:41:24 -!- sterna [~Adium@213.80.106.150] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2016-10-31T23:43:52 -!- Rickta59 [~Rickta59@107.12.198.216] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] --- Log closed Tue Nov 01 00:00:11 2016