--- Log opened Tue Nov 01 00:00:11 2016
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2016-11-01T00:15:18 < Fleck> pineapple
2016-11-01T00:15:23 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9TpRfDdyU0 
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2016-11-01T00:19:36 < kimmoli> so 2% of worlds poulation has watched that?
2016-11-01T00:22:06 < jadew> what's funny today?
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2016-11-01T00:24:16 < jadew> man... my youtube account has been poluted with garbage science videos
2016-11-01T00:24:46 < jadew> I got baited into clicking on something at some point and more shit made its way onto my home page
2016-11-01T00:25:17 < jadew> not to mention I get recommendations for that cesey nesomething shit channel
2016-11-01T00:25:31 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-01T00:25:53 < jadew> it's like every 2nd video I watch, he's in the recommendations
2016-11-01T00:26:13 < jadew> why would anyone watch that crap?
2016-11-01T00:27:07 < jadew> I watched one of his drones videos
2016-11-01T00:27:13 < jadew> because I was interested in one
2016-11-01T00:27:29 < jadew> but I didn't expect it to have such high polution potential
2016-11-01T00:27:58 < jadew> yeah, none of the other videos I checked of him were interesting
2016-11-01T00:28:46 < jadew> + I get a lot of pseudo science shit and flat earth crap
2016-11-01T00:29:05 < jadew> oh well, the music section is still fine
2016-11-01T00:29:06 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKnlo7sLfa0
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2016-11-01T00:40:08 < Laurenceb_> http://blog.st.com/stm32h7-powerful-cortex-m7-coremark/
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2016-11-01T00:47:50 < karlp> so. got some of those "9900mAh" 18650 cells in the mail today, and also some "5000mAh" that were really cheap.
2016-11-01T00:48:07 < KreAture> hoy
2016-11-01T00:48:08 < karlp> lots of fun. they just came in plastic envelopers, one marked, "cellphone accessories x 2"
2016-11-01T00:48:14 < KreAture> Going oldschool with a stm
2016-11-01T00:48:15 < KreAture> :)
2016-11-01T00:48:16 < karlp> and one marked "plastic box"
2016-11-01T00:48:18 < KreAture> http://kreature.org/projects/wood_clock/wood_clock_1.jpg
2016-11-01T00:48:26 < KreAture> Repairing my old wood clock
2016-11-01T00:48:34 < KreAture> (and adding proper wood to its face)
2016-11-01T00:48:34 < karlp> I wonder if iceland post really appreciated them sending unmarked lipos
2016-11-01T00:48:53 < KreAture> 9900 18650 ?
2016-11-01T00:48:55 < KreAture> yeah right
2016-11-01T00:48:59 < karlp> anyway, put them on this charger thing, to do a charge/discharge/charge cycle to measure their capacity, claims they're both about 500mAh ;)
2016-11-01T00:49:05 < karlp> oh, totally fake, sure
2016-11-01T00:49:10 < karlp> just was curious _how_ fake
2016-11-01T00:49:23 < KreAture> It's probably got a small puch battery and a lot of sand inside
2016-11-01T00:49:32 < karlp> that'
2016-11-01T00:49:36 < KreAture> karlp my wood clock on other hand was really nice
2016-11-01T00:49:38 < karlp> s what I kinda think,
2016-11-01T00:49:42 < KreAture> just a few dollars off ebay
2016-11-01T00:49:47 < karlp> does look cool
2016-11-01T00:49:57 < KreAture> It had a fake wood veneer on front
2016-11-01T00:50:01 < KreAture> digits shone through
2016-11-01T00:50:10 < KreAture> I ripped that off as I will add 0.3mm real wood
2016-11-01T00:50:21 < KreAture> but what surprised me was the electronics
2016-11-01T00:50:27 < KreAture> it's actually cool
2016-11-01T00:50:49 < KreAture> it has 4x AA battery compartment, a mcu that sits on a small board fitted onto a larger cheap 1-layer board
2016-11-01T00:51:03 < KreAture> The 1-layer provides control for all the digits as well as power inputs
2016-11-01T00:51:31 < KreAture> jack psu, 4x aa and a seperate extra watch battery for keeping time with no power attached
2016-11-01T00:51:43 < KreAture> I also found a mic for activating display when on battery, by clapping
2016-11-01T00:51:59 < KreAture> and a photodiode that is used to dim display in dark room
2016-11-01T00:52:19 < KreAture> it also has speaker for alarm function in addition to the mandatory set and adjust buttons
2016-11-01T00:52:20 < karlp> was this a product or a oneoff you found?
2016-11-01T00:52:30 < KreAture> a product for $4
2016-11-01T00:52:43 < KreAture> even the wooden box the milled and glued is worth that much
2016-11-01T00:52:44 < KreAture> LOL
2016-11-01T00:53:33 < karlp> link?
2016-11-01T00:53:38 < KreAture> The driver outputs of the old mcu started to fail though so only half the segments were lighting up
2016-11-01T00:53:43 < KreAture> it is many years ago
2016-11-01T00:53:51 < KreAture> if I could find it I'd order a new one but i can't
2016-11-01T00:53:54 < KreAture> already tried
2016-11-01T00:54:15 < KreAture> so, since I had some free time I coded a replacement
2016-11-01T00:54:46 < KreAture> all I need is the clock function though as I use this to gaze at between coding and playing bf etc, to see that it's not gone too far past midnight hehe
2016-11-01T00:55:05 < KreAture> also, thought some 7-segment coding would be fun again.  Not done any in 15 years
2016-11-01T00:55:28 < KreAture> wtf, now they pop up everywhere when I search!
2016-11-01T00:55:29 < KreAture> lol
2016-11-01T00:55:43 < KreAture> Thanks for" customizing the experience for me" yesterday!
2016-11-01T00:56:17 < upgrdman> KreAture, re: your clock, are you gonna be the next Ahmed?
2016-11-01T00:56:21 < KreAture> http://inhabitat.com/wooden-led-clock/
2016-11-01T00:56:27 < KreAture> lol
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2016-11-01T00:58:52 < KreAture> I had forgotten how awkward 7 segs are regarding the coding hehe
2016-11-01T01:00:15 < Fleck> how come?
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2016-11-01T01:05:29 < KreAture> just don lcd's and stuff lately
2016-11-01T01:05:32 < KreAture> done
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2016-11-01T01:18:08 < karlp> cheeeeeeeep
2016-11-01T01:18:25 < karlp> also, wasn't even sure they'd ship, no experience with these sorts of things, wasn't sure how bad they'd actually be :)
2016-11-01T01:18:33 < karlp> need to explore it a little bit first hand :)
2016-11-01T01:19:13 < karlp> I'm not 100% sure how much I trust the charger measurements though, the reviews were good though so...
2016-11-01T01:19:35 < karlp> 9900 was just fabulous I had to try them out
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2016-11-01T01:20:22 < karlp> I mean, check it out! http://www.ebay.com/itm/351633402063
2016-11-01T01:22:09 < KreAture> karlp make sure you report the effing seller atleast
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2016-11-01T01:23:15 < KreAture> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dca8NVGTOlk
2016-11-01T01:23:17 < KreAture> enjoy karlp 
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2016-11-01T01:25:29 < KreAture> 510mA
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2016-11-01T01:38:19 < decimad> hrmm, so I'm trying to flash with gdb connected to openocd connected to jlink connected to my stm32f7, but it says it is unable to read memory from an apparent memory buffer it uses on the mcu for flashing
2016-11-01T01:39:23 < decimad> I can read those memory locations from gdb though, whatever that means, at least no error messages pop up
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2016-11-01T01:43:28 < KreAture> karlp This is my fav fake battery issue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kjT8NxgIxI
2016-11-01T01:43:38 < KreAture> sand filled batterys LOL
2016-11-01T01:46:14 < KreAture> and the manufacture of these fakes with sand and a smaller battery inside baffles me:
2016-11-01T01:46:15 < KreAture> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDlUlS7Ne-o
2016-11-01T01:48:38 < zyp> haha
2016-11-01T01:49:38 < jadew> Laurenceb_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCqzd-gYJXE
2016-11-01T01:50:28 < jadew> lol @ the battery
2016-11-01T01:50:41 < jadew> more like ultra fire retardant
2016-11-01T01:52:07 < jadew> I must be tired, I just saw recommendation (on the battery video): "Trigger-Free Trick or Treat" and I thought it says "Not recommended for you"
2016-11-01T01:54:01 < KreAture> lol
2016-11-01T01:54:05 < KreAture> There's another good one
2016-11-01T01:54:06 < KreAture> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f2OqQ28-30
2016-11-01T01:54:29 < KreAture> The guy doesn't disassemble the smaller one but it would have been so funny if that had been fake too
2016-11-01T01:54:36 < jadew> haha
2016-11-01T01:56:10 <@dongs> sup pro chats
2016-11-01T01:56:18 < KreAture> hey dongs !
2016-11-01T01:56:19 <@dongs> < decimad> hrmm, so I'm trying to flash with gdb connected to openocd connected to jlink connected to my stm32f7
2016-11-01T01:56:23 <@dongs> what
2016-11-01T01:56:23 <@dongs> why the fuck would you even do this
2016-11-01T01:56:27  * KreAture is looking at funny videos of fake chineese batterys
2016-11-01T01:56:38 <@dongs> you already have jlink, why not just use jlinkgdbserver if you're so bent on using gdb
2016-11-01T01:56:55 < KreAture> lol dongs 
2016-11-01T01:56:55 <@dongs> skip openAIDS completely
2016-11-01T01:57:10  * KreAture pets dongs on the head "there there, it will go away soon"
2016-11-01T01:57:11 < decimad> dongs: because the jlink crap does not support cortex m7 in its hardware version
2016-11-01T01:57:21 <@dongs> eh.
2016-11-01T01:57:26 <@dongs> do you have some old chinese clone or something?
2016-11-01T01:57:29 < decimad> no
2016-11-01T01:57:41 < decimad> bought a v8 in 2014
2016-11-01T01:57:53 <@dongs> pretty sure my v8 edu is from 2014 if not earlier.
2016-11-01T01:58:07 <@dongs> are you saying it doesnt work wiht M7?
2016-11-01T01:58:11 < decimad> yes
2016-11-01T01:58:58 < decimad> only hardware versions >= 9.1 support m7
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2016-11-01T01:59:11 <@dongs> http://forum.segger.com/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=2626
2016-11-01T01:59:13 <@dongs> lol, RIP
2016-11-01T02:00:01 < KreAture> jadew this guy has a wtf moment when he realizes only 1 of the 4 batterys in his powerbank is hooked up!
2016-11-01T02:00:02 < KreAture> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WWnY5PGYmQ
2016-11-01T02:00:08 < KreAture> rotflmao
2016-11-01T02:00:31 < KreAture> best part is he doesn't even realize the rest of the cells are fake
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2016-11-01T02:02:49 < KreAture> LOve the end "how far would they go?"
2016-11-01T02:03:30 < KreAture> never seen anyone so happy to find sand ever
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2016-11-01T02:13:13 <@dongs> http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201610300030.html
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2016-11-01T02:21:46 < LeelooMinai> KreAture: Seems like he was born a week ago:)
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2016-11-01T02:28:05 <@dongs> emeb_mac: so how does this look, correct? http://i.imgur.com/4c1BDwt.png
2016-11-01T02:28:37 <@dongs> FS = LRCK, SCK = BCLK ya?
2016-11-01T02:29:12 < emeb_mac> dongs: yes - that's right
2016-11-01T02:29:29 <@dongs> and i just parallel connect same thing to the HDMI TX
2016-11-01T02:30:07 <@dongs> and STM will be master, feeding MCLK into both codec and hdmi, and codec will be sending data to stm and other place
2016-11-01T02:30:13 < emeb_mac> dongs: should work.
2016-11-01T02:30:16 <@dongs> ok!
2016-11-01T02:30:17 <@dongs> will find out.
2016-11-01T02:30:21 <@dongs> routed sdram yesterday
2016-11-01T02:30:22 < decimad> hrmm, the swd clock was too fast seemingly
2016-11-01T02:30:42 < emeb_mac> only question is if clock rates on ADC/STM32 communication are compatible with what the HDMI wants
2016-11-01T02:31:13 <@dongs> shouldnt they be? anyway the hdmi part is configurable, i think it even has option to not require mclk etc
2016-11-01T02:31:16 < ds2> don't HDMI have this odd ball 24.something audio clock and want things to fit neatly into that?
2016-11-01T02:31:20 <@dongs> so I could probly dick around with registers for a bit
2016-11-01T02:31:53 <@dongs> it should take standard 48k/16bit, ds2 hopefully at least thats what im planning to try first.
2016-11-01T02:32:30 < KreAture> btw dongs have you used external sram much on stm's ?
2016-11-01T02:32:48 <@dongs> and as a test I should be able to put codec in reset and have stm32 generate some i2s at any frequency
2016-11-01T02:33:23 <@dongs> KreAture: nah just ran some tests on waveshare board with sram board plugged in long time ago, never needed it for much else
2016-11-01T02:33:36 <@dongs> ds2 there made a F103 board with lunix and 8megs psram
2016-11-01T02:33:45 <@dongs> he probably has more protips for that
2016-11-01T02:33:57 < KreAture> dongs well I've been pondering a 640x480 image processing thing
2016-11-01T02:34:08 <@dongs> KreAture: so why not use sdram then
2016-11-01T02:34:10 < KreAture> would essentially need around 700kb
2016-11-01T02:34:14 <@dongs> oh f429 disco
2016-11-01T02:34:21 <@dongs> 8megs for like $0.50
2016-11-01T02:34:30 < KreAture> hmm, that's probably possible
2016-11-01T02:34:41 < KreAture> can it refresh it?
2016-11-01T02:34:45 < KreAture> I thought it needed static
2016-11-01T02:34:48 <@dongs> yeah, controller does it all automatically
2016-11-01T02:34:52 <@dongs> no, newer ones have sdram
2016-11-01T02:34:54 < KreAture> oh shit, I just came
2016-11-01T02:35:07 < KreAture> lol
2016-11-01T02:35:23 < ds2> psram looks like sram 
2016-11-01T02:35:28 < ds2> except for perfect timing
2016-11-01T02:35:30 < ds2> :D
2016-11-01T02:35:32 <@dongs> yea
2016-11-01T02:35:41 <@dongs> and sdram inside with self-refresh
2016-11-01T02:35:44 <@dongs> but you know wat
2016-11-01T02:35:47 < ds2> but getting large psram sucks
2016-11-01T02:35:48 <@dongs> 99% of psram is NRND now
2016-11-01T02:35:51 <@dongs> if you look at digikey
2016-11-01T02:35:55 <@dongs> its all been discontinued/obsoleted
2016-11-01T02:35:57 < ds2> bga packages
2016-11-01T02:36:04 < KreAture> fram is fun too
2016-11-01T02:36:10 < KreAture> just never took off
2016-11-01T02:36:17 < KreAture> I have a few samples of fram chips
2016-11-01T02:36:21 < KreAture> mcu with fram 
2016-11-01T02:36:32 < KreAture> the entire address space is r/w and static
2016-11-01T02:36:37 < KreAture> no flash/ram area
2016-11-01T02:36:38 <@dongs> TI didnt give enough out
2016-11-01T02:36:45 < ds2> if you got high density FRAM....
2016-11-01T02:37:00 < ds2> think FRAM is a Fujitsu thing
2016-11-01T02:37:01 < KreAture> I got ti's fram mcu's
2016-11-01T02:37:05 < ds2> TI is a licensee or something
2016-11-01T02:37:21 < KreAture> They came in a very nice sampler box
2016-11-01T02:37:24 < KreAture> as in, huge box
2016-11-01T02:37:28 < KreAture> inside a smaller case
2016-11-01T02:37:39 < KreAture> inside was a cute box and lots of packing, and a devkit for em
2016-11-01T02:37:45 < KreAture> and a nice tiny box of chips
2016-11-01T02:38:05 < KreAture> in total I'd say the packaging, carrying case, display case and shipping was 1000x as much as the contents
2016-11-01T02:38:33 < KreAture> In the end we just put a stm32 to sleep and it was good enough power consumption wise
2016-11-01T02:38:35 < KreAture> oh well
2016-11-01T02:39:13 <@dongs> fram = feram or soemthing right? needs write-on-read to keep itself alive
2016-11-01T02:39:52 < decimad> so uploading the image goes well at a swd frequency of 500khz... but not at 1mhz... something is strange there
2016-11-01T02:40:38 < KreAture> dongs these were static but needs rewrite on read to keep data
2016-11-01T02:40:44 < KreAture> so power off is fine
2016-11-01T02:40:56 < KreAture> but read it on boot and it gets rewritten to keep it there
2016-11-01T02:41:10 < KreAture> rembinds me of the old ferrite rings mesh memory
2016-11-01T02:41:14 < KreAture> reminds
2016-11-01T02:42:41 < ds2> no fram is like ferostatic ram. think it might be more like the old core memory stuff
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2016-11-01T02:44:55 < ds2> the PSRAMs are still around
2016-11-01T02:45:48 < KreAture> dongs f427 is the cheapest for sdram then
2016-11-01T02:46:16 <@dongs> probly 429ZI thats on -dsico board is cheapest
2016-11-01T02:46:24 <@dongs> acutal-price-wise
2016-11-01T02:46:38 < ds2> sdram is a PITA to route
2016-11-01T02:46:48 <@dongs> 11.60$ for 429 from chinagirl
2016-11-01T02:46:50 < ds2> 6L board, 2 power rails
2016-11-01T02:46:56 <@dongs> ds2: wat.
2016-11-01T02:46:59 <@dongs> im routing this on 2L
2016-11-01T02:47:13 <@dongs> (SDR, not DDR2/3/4)
2016-11-01T02:47:13 < ds2> are you matching the stuff as required?
2016-11-01T02:47:20 <@dongs> SDR is only 100mhz dude
2016-11-01T02:47:21 < ds2> ah...real SDR
2016-11-01T02:47:23 <@dongs> yto udont need to match shit
2016-11-01T02:47:46 < ds2> thought you meant the DDRn stuff. they are all synchronous
2016-11-01T02:47:57 < ds2> isn't real SDR also vanishing?
2016-11-01T02:48:30 <@dongs> nah
2016-11-01T02:48:38 <@dongs> its definitely cheap
2016-11-01T02:50:25 < KreAture> dongs I think using a cheaper mcu wins then, and sram
2016-11-01T02:50:36 < KreAture> after all I can get a cheap sram chip for only $4
2016-11-01T02:50:41 < KreAture> and use a $4 mcu
2016-11-01T02:50:49 < KreAture> still cheaper than the f429 hehe
2016-11-01T02:51:18 <@dongs> good luck finding cheap SRAM tho
2016-11-01T02:51:20 < KreAture> The calculations I need to do on the data is minimal
2016-11-01T02:51:30 < ds2> do all the newer discoveries have tardinio headers?
2016-11-01T02:51:36 <@dongs> :(
2016-11-01T02:52:18 < KreAture> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-23LC1024-I-SN-SRAM-1-MBIT-20-MHz-8-SOIC-23LC1024-I-23LC1024-3/32573930423.html
2016-11-01T02:52:20 < KreAture> 1mbit
2016-11-01T02:52:22 < KreAture> 3 pcs
2016-11-01T02:52:26 < KreAture> not great
2016-11-01T02:52:28 < KreAture> but ok
2016-11-01T02:52:30 <@dongs> KreAture: http://www.digikey.com/short/3bp577
2016-11-01T02:52:30 <@dongs> err
2016-11-01T02:52:44 < KreAture> lol
2016-11-01T02:52:47 <@dongs> thats 132k you know that right
2016-11-01T02:52:51 <@dongs> er 128k
2016-11-01T02:52:54 <@dongs> 1mbit.
2016-11-01T02:52:54 < KreAture> yup
2016-11-01T02:52:56 < KreAture> 1mbit
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2016-11-01T02:53:58 < KreAture> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shippng-Is62wv51216bll-55bi-SRAM-8-MBIT-55NS-48-MBGA-51216-IS62WV51216BLL-1PCS-LOT-In-stock/32567245954.html
2016-11-01T02:54:00 <@dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/issi-integrated-silicon-solution-inc/IS42S16400J-6TL/706-1131-ND/2708625
2016-11-01T02:54:02 < KreAture> this is one I need
2016-11-01T02:54:06 < KreAture> 8mbit is enough
2016-11-01T02:54:08 <@dongs> 8meg sdram = $1.7 in singles on digikey
2016-11-01T02:54:12 <@dongs> 64mbit
2016-11-01T02:54:24 < KreAture> yeh, but you also need a $11 chip to use it
2016-11-01T02:54:53 < KreAture> I really just need to receive two 640x480x8bit images and compare them
2016-11-01T02:54:56 < zyp> eh, f42x isn't that expensive, is it?
2016-11-01T02:54:58 < KreAture> a-b
2016-11-01T02:55:05 <@dongs> zyp, it is
2016-11-01T02:55:09 <@dongs> 429ZI = $11.60
2016-11-01T02:55:10 <@dongs> for me
2016-11-01T02:55:12 < KreAture> unfortunately it is 
2016-11-01T02:55:13 < ds2> where are the 2 images coming from?
2016-11-01T02:55:24 < KreAture> even 5000k volume seems to only go down to $8-ish
2016-11-01T02:55:35 < zyp> dongs, oh, I thought the F427 I got last year were cheaper
2016-11-01T02:55:35 < KreAture> ds2 a cmos camera
2016-11-01T02:55:41 <@dongs> that was 427
2016-11-01T02:55:47 < zyp> F427 also got FMC
2016-11-01T02:56:05 <@dongs> what it doesnt have then?
2016-11-01T02:56:10 < KreAture> zyp seems like diff 427 in diff versions and packaging have diff density type fmc ?
2016-11-01T02:56:16 < zyp> dongs, LCD shit
2016-11-01T02:56:19 <@dongs> oh
2016-11-01T02:56:22 <@dongs> well i need that :D
2016-11-01T02:56:22 < ds2> KreAture: so 2 images at 2 different times? or 2 cameras?
2016-11-01T02:56:36 < KreAture> ds2 2 images consequitive from a cam
2016-11-01T02:56:56 < KreAture> ideally I'd like the dma to store em in same place subtracting one from the other
2016-11-01T02:57:08 < KreAture> but since that won't happen I will have to do it manually
2016-11-01T02:57:14 < ds2> what about a FPGA + 512K of RAM?
2016-11-01T02:57:32 <@dongs> FPGA + proper DDR2/3
2016-11-01T02:57:52 <@dongs> why even bother with 512k on fpga, its probbly got that much ram in blockram on-chip
2016-11-01T02:57:55 < KreAture> why? the fpga alone will bust the budget
2016-11-01T02:57:58 < ds2> 512K x 8 SRAMs aren't that $$
2016-11-01T02:58:10 < zyp> KreAture, what's the budget?
2016-11-01T02:58:15 <@dongs> $autism
2016-11-01T02:58:17 < ds2> KreAture: one of the small ice stuff from Lattice
2016-11-01T02:58:28 < KreAture> I am trying to get it all under $10 including camera
2016-11-01T02:58:36 < KreAture> seems like 15 is more realistic though
2016-11-01T02:58:37 < ds2> how much are the cameras?
2016-11-01T02:58:39 < ds2> :D
2016-11-01T02:58:42 <@dongs> I admit my F429+SDRAM+HDMI thing is pure autism
2016-11-01T02:58:48 < KreAture> $4 for cams
2016-11-01T02:58:59 < ds2> so $2 for processor?
2016-11-01T02:59:01 <@dongs> because what its going to do can be done wiht a $5 thing from ebay
2016-11-01T02:59:03 < KreAture> 2-3
2016-11-01T02:59:05 < ds2> oops $6
2016-11-01T02:59:20 < KreAture> ds2 v1 is 1 cam, v2 is 4 cams
2016-11-01T02:59:36 < zyp> dongs, by the way, you mentioned checking the price on F412
2016-11-01T02:59:39 < ds2> where are you getting the $4 cams?
2016-11-01T02:59:44 < KreAture> but image processing speed does not have to be high, this is not a high throughput situation
2016-11-01T02:59:45 <@dongs> zyp, tell me part# ill find out now again
2016-11-01T03:00:06 < KreAture> but the data has to be from two consequitive full frames, I can't use parts of one image and then other parts later in sequence
2016-11-01T03:00:25 < KreAture> ds2 I work with this stuff, you find shit :)
2016-11-01T03:00:33 <@dongs> failture, 640*480 is already 300kbytes
2016-11-01T03:00:42 < KreAture> ds2 these are surplus modules that went into cellphones
2016-11-01T03:00:42 <@dongs> how the shit are you gonna fit TWO of them into 128k sram
2016-11-01T03:00:45 < zyp> dongs, hmm, idk about package, I guess stm32f412re or stm32f412rg
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2016-11-01T03:00:54 < KreAture> dongs read carefully
2016-11-01T03:01:00 < zyp> dongs, maybe ve/vg too for comparison
2016-11-01T03:01:07 < KreAture> I said 1mbit was ok but not enough, and I linked to a 8mbit later
2016-11-01T03:01:15 < KreAture> that will be enough
2016-11-01T03:01:36 < ds2> is the F1 or F2's big enough? they come in 512k or larger variants, IIRC
2016-11-01T03:01:37 < zyp> dongs, also f405rg and f407vg for comparison
2016-11-01T03:01:47 < KreAture> ds2 not sram
2016-11-01T03:01:47 <@dongs> ah k
2016-11-01T03:01:50 < KreAture> ds2 only flash
2016-11-01T03:03:10 <@dongs> what interface are these mythical $2 cameras
2016-11-01T03:03:24 < KreAture> $4
2016-11-01T03:03:34 <@dongs> well whatever the fuck they are
2016-11-01T03:03:39 < KreAture> I got some spi ones but the cheapest ones are paralell
2016-11-01T03:03:52 <@dongs> did you know y ou need like 27mhz clock to read shit out of htem
2016-11-01T03:03:55 < KreAture> uses an image sensor interface with h and v synch lines as well as pix clock
2016-11-01T03:03:57 <@dongs> and it has to be continous
2016-11-01T03:04:01 <@dongs> since hey have no framebuffer etc
2016-11-01T03:04:01 < ds2> are the the ancient undocumented surplus phone cameras?
2016-11-01T03:04:09 < KreAture> dongs I have done multiple designs with em so yes
2016-11-01T03:04:23 < KreAture> and yes, they are a bit pita
2016-11-01T03:04:35 < KreAture> but for this dirt cheap thing they will work
2016-11-01T03:05:19 <@dongs> is  this some automatic inspetion shit for your work
2016-11-01T03:05:23 <@dongs> or some quadcopter jerkoff
2016-11-01T03:05:36 <@dongs> oh ok
2016-11-01T03:06:23 < KreAture> hehe
2016-11-01T03:06:23 <@dongs> protip: prototype on expensive parts to verify concept works
2016-11-01T03:06:25 <@dongs> then cost down
2016-11-01T03:06:29 < KreAture> see pm
2016-11-01T03:06:36 <@dongs> seen, ^ response
2016-11-01T03:06:43 < KreAture> as I said, done the proto
2016-11-01T03:06:47 <@dongs> hokay.
2016-11-01T03:06:53 < KreAture> this is the shoehorn one
2016-11-01T03:07:03 < KreAture> and I am using a very big shoehorn
2016-11-01T03:07:07 < KreAture> and a very small shoe
2016-11-01T03:07:09 < KreAture> :p
2016-11-01T03:07:29 < KreAture> I really wished the f103 had the fsmc but alas
2016-11-01T03:07:43 < KreAture> would have been awsome
2016-11-01T03:08:01 < LeelooMinai> are you using those old micros because they are cheap or something?
2016-11-01T03:08:31 < KreAture> yes
2016-11-01T03:08:40 <@dongs> F103 has fsmc.
2016-11-01T03:08:41 < LeelooMinai> So what's the price?
2016-11-01T03:08:45 <@dongs> starting from V version.
2016-11-01T03:08:45 < KreAture> it's all a matter of cutting corners
2016-11-01T03:08:49 <@dongs> STM32F103Vxx
2016-11-01T03:08:54 < KreAture> dongs yeah but those are not cheap anymore
2016-11-01T03:09:01 < KreAture> :)
2016-11-01T03:09:03 <@dongs> around 3-4 i guess yeah.
2016-11-01T03:09:12 < KreAture> maybe ok though
2016-11-01T03:09:34 < LeelooMinai> KreAture: What are you going to make 10k devices?
2016-11-01T03:09:41 < KreAture> ohsix I did a lookup table solution with alternate table for second segment with inverted positioning
2016-11-01T03:09:54 < KreAture> LeelooMinai I am not but the potential customer will run 100k
2016-11-01T03:09:55 <@dongs> zyp, asking
2016-11-01T03:09:58 <@dongs> oh my
2016-11-01T03:10:11 < KreAture> and no it's not the clock thing
2016-11-01T03:10:12 < KreAture> lol
2016-11-01T03:10:12 <@dongs> zyp: no stock on either of those
2016-11-01T03:10:14 <@dongs> so no price.
2016-11-01T03:10:27 < zyp> on any f412?
2016-11-01T03:10:29 < LeelooMinai> Heh, weird that it's still worth for st to produce those.
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2016-11-01T03:10:40 <@dongs> lets see
2016-11-01T03:10:42 < KreAture> LeelooMinai legacy workhorses
2016-11-01T03:11:12 <@dongs> zyp: correct
2016-11-01T03:11:21 < zyp> ok, probably too new
2016-11-01T03:11:42 < KreAture> dongs I wonder
2016-11-01T03:11:50 < zyp> how much is f405/f407 nowadays?
2016-11-01T03:11:52 < KreAture> with a tqfp 100chip I have plenty of pins
2016-11-01T03:12:03 < KreAture> could probably do manual sd interface in bitbang hehe
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2016-11-01T03:12:28 < KreAture> sdram that is
2016-11-01T03:12:38 <@dongs> lol..
2016-11-01T03:12:53 <@dongs> i suppose  you could, like that avrturd guy.
2016-11-01T03:13:16 < KreAture> :p
2016-11-01T03:13:40 < zyp> oh, no wonder there's no f412 stock
2016-11-01T03:13:45 < zyp> even digikey doesn't have
2016-11-01T03:13:47 < LeelooMinai> KreAture: What specs do you exactly need? Is that memory interface the main thing, or something other too?
2016-11-01T03:13:51 < KreAture> it's not witchcraft
2016-11-01T03:13:55 <@dongs> heh, too new?
2016-11-01T03:14:25 < KreAture> LeelooMinai I really just need fast spi, a few pins and a shitload of mem to handle two 300kbyte pics
2016-11-01T03:14:37 < KreAture> There is a bit of math involved and then it is all sent on to someone else
2016-11-01T03:14:45 < zyp> dongs, apparently, says 13 weeks lead time
2016-11-01T03:14:48 < KreAture> boiled down to just a few numbers
2016-11-01T03:14:59 < zyp> mouser got stock though
2016-11-01T03:14:59 < KreAture> so no high data output either
2016-11-01T03:15:16 < zyp> only rg though
2016-11-01T03:15:39 < zyp> http://no.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/STM32F412RGT6/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuKfYsiLTIqmHdYwP9DZRY%252buhmxqJADEfk%3d
2016-11-01T03:15:44 < zyp> that looks fairly cheap
2016-11-01T03:15:48 < zyp> for being mouser
2016-11-01T03:16:16 < LeelooMinai> KreAture: F4 with 128kB of RAM is less than $2.5 - is that too high?
2016-11-01T03:16:25 <@dongs> zyp: 4.04 for 405RG
2016-11-01T03:16:37 < KreAture> LeelooMinai no but there is not enough mem
2016-11-01T03:16:43 < KreAture> so still need external
2016-11-01T03:16:46 < zyp> dongs, oh, nice
2016-11-01T03:16:56 < zyp> isn't that less than what I've been buying f3 for?
2016-11-01T03:17:08 < zyp> what qty is that?
2016-11-01T03:17:12 <@dongs> 100/s
2016-11-01T03:17:23 <@dongs> hmm, not sure, 48pin F3 is around $3 now
2016-11-01T03:17:44 < zyp> think it used to be $4.3 or something
2016-11-01T03:18:06 < LeelooMinai> I see it for $2.2 or so (F3)
2016-11-01T03:18:16 < zyp> but that's also nice, I'm thinking about doing another arcin batch soon
2016-11-01T03:18:17 <@dongs> well, thats like what, almost a year ago prices? so yea
2016-11-01T03:18:27 <@dongs> its probly lower now for both F3 and F4.
2016-11-01T03:18:35 < zyp> I've been sold out for a while and people are asking me when I'll have more
2016-11-01T03:18:40 <@dongs> cool
2016-11-01T03:18:45 <@dongs> maybe i should finally bill you for the old ones
2016-11-01T03:19:09 < zyp> haha, yeah, I was planning to look up what I owe you before I ask you to do more work
2016-11-01T03:19:11 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Should have said nothing...
2016-11-01T03:19:54 < zyp> US guy still owes me for some of the stuff he got, which I think should about cover what I still owe you
2016-11-01T03:20:08 <@dongs> cool
2016-11-01T03:20:20 <@dongs> speaking of US guy, ive been too lazy to try that NFC working. maybe this week sometime
2016-11-01T03:20:25 <@dongs> i just wanna scan a card and see if it works
2016-11-01T03:20:41 <@dongs> its not my project so i dont really NEED to get it to work but still curious
2016-11-01T03:20:43 < KreAture> ohsix the pix is 640x480 x 8bit and I need two of em stored
2016-11-01T03:21:09 < KreAture> ohsix still won't go below $15 I think, it may end up being a pizero
2016-11-01T03:21:17 < KreAture> only I really hate having linux on there
2016-11-01T03:21:23 < KreAture> it just makes it so fucking slow to start up
2016-11-01T03:21:30 < KreAture> mcu starts in 1us
2016-11-01T03:21:35 < ds2> KreAture: isn't it simplier to use a tiny FPGA like the ICE40 and just store 1?
2016-11-01T03:21:59 < KreAture> ds2 show me the fpga that cost so little
2016-11-01T03:22:11 < KreAture> ohsix I write the mcu code in a few days
2016-11-01T03:22:22 < LeelooMinai> KreAture: Well, sub $5 is doable easily with FPGAs
2016-11-01T03:22:27 < KreAture> how long do you think I can fiddle about in linux and have it break on next update ?
2016-11-01T03:22:35 < zyp> I wonder if f405rg and f412rg are pin compatible
2016-11-01T03:22:40 < LeelooMinai> With limited resources of course, but still.
2016-11-01T03:22:47 <@dongs> does it have vcap?
2016-11-01T03:22:48 < KreAture> LeelooMinai the algorithms are not as flexible in fpga though
2016-11-01T03:22:51 <@dongs> (412
2016-11-01T03:22:55 <@dongs> VCRAP
2016-11-01T03:22:56 < KreAture> LeelooMinai this is where the mcu comes in
2016-11-01T03:23:07 < zyp> dongs, idk, I should just compare the DS
2016-11-01T03:23:13 < KreAture> much easier to change
2016-11-01T03:23:22 < LeelooMinai> KreAture: What do you mean not flexible - if you want flexible then FPGA kills MCU imo:)
2016-11-01T03:23:27 <@dongs> 412 looks fucking weird
2016-11-01T03:23:30 <@dongs> 100mhz only?
2016-11-01T03:23:31 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/e36989e02aeb4414961bbce177dbce99?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=edbdea9b38fff9ac1328badf9a81d30a
2016-11-01T03:23:33 <@dongs> whats the benefit here
2016-11-01T03:23:43 < KreAture> LeelooMinai the toolchain needed to resynth a fpga is not exactly lightweight
2016-11-01T03:23:53 <@dongs> zyp: 1k reel of 405 is 3.85
2016-11-01T03:24:02 < zyp> dongs, it's supposed to be cheaper
2016-11-01T03:24:03 < ds2> KreAture: $4.29 w/69 IO
2016-11-01T03:24:11 < KreAture> LeelooMinai also fpga's don't self update from a simple serial command
2016-11-01T03:24:22 < LeelooMinai> KreAture: They can - I2C etc.
2016-11-01T03:24:23 < zyp> at mouser, it's already cheaper
2016-11-01T03:24:26 < LeelooMinai> SPI too
2016-11-01T03:24:28 <@dongs> hmmm
2016-11-01T03:24:33 <@dongs> but 256k ram?
2016-11-01T03:24:41 < zyp> so I assume it'll be at your place too when it's available enough
2016-11-01T03:24:47 < KreAture> LeelooMinai I have tools for the spartan series, that's about it
2016-11-01T03:24:53 < KreAture> starting somehting else will be pita
2016-11-01T03:24:55 < zyp> dongs, yeah, and qspi
2016-11-01T03:25:02 < KreAture> and spartan is deffo not a $4 fpga series
2016-11-01T03:25:04 < ds2> Opensource toolchain for ICE40
2016-11-01T03:25:09 < zyp> and probably some other improvements
2016-11-01T03:25:22 < KreAture> ds2 that'd mean learning a new chain, fuck no
2016-11-01T03:25:40 < KreAture> ds2 then it becomes an educational project and those cost too much time
2016-11-01T03:26:03 < zyp> KreAture, uh, spartan 3 is pretty fucking cheap
2016-11-01T03:26:04 < LeelooMinai> KreAture: Right, not saying it will be easy to work with (the tools suck,) but if you want to do something custom around protocol or fast, even small FPGA will probably be much bttter.
2016-11-01T03:26:13 < ds2> it still takes usual verilog, etc crap
2016-11-01T03:26:29 <@dongs> http://i.imgur.com/jONn7AI.png looks like just one vcap missing and one increased
2016-11-01T03:26:30 < KreAture> LeelooMinai at curent list of info for you yes
2016-11-01T03:26:38 < KreAture> but there are things I will not tell you about the project
2016-11-01T03:26:50 <@dongs> and vcap pin moved by one pad
2016-11-01T03:26:53 < LeelooMinai> Secrets!
2016-11-01T03:26:58 < KreAture> It needs a cpu for some of the tasks so a vcore would then have to be added
2016-11-01T03:27:11 <@dongs> so pretty easy to make a compatible layout with just one 0R jumper
2016-11-01T03:27:48 < zyp> dongs, ah, neat
2016-11-01T03:27:51 < LeelooMinai> KreAture: Still, not impossible - soft CPUs, even 32 bit, will fit on those sub $5 FPGAs no problem. But ok, I understand:)
2016-11-01T03:27:55 < KreAture> dongs it looks like the f103xC,D or E will have the FSMC
2016-11-01T03:28:10 <@dongs> KreAture: i dont think youre looking at it right
2016-11-01T03:28:16 <@dongs> its the 'x' that determiens fsmc or not
2016-11-01T03:28:24 < KreAture> LeelooMinai to compare I am trying to get this running on the bluepill type f103 which is haveable at $1.7 now
2016-11-01T03:28:26 <@dongs> because you cant fit it into 48/64pin package
2016-11-01T03:28:35 < KreAture> dongs no it's not
2016-11-01T03:28:48 < KreAture> st sais so in datasheet that it is a combo
2016-11-01T03:28:55 < KreAture> you need the high density one to get fsmc
2016-11-01T03:29:04 < KreAture> and that is only available in c, d or e
2016-11-01T03:29:14 < KreAture> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/microcontrollers/stm32-32-bit-arm-cortex-mcus/stm32f1-series/stm32f103/stm32f103vd.html
2016-11-01T03:29:20 < LeelooMinai> KreAture: But with that 103 you need external ram anyways, right?
2016-11-01T03:29:20 <@dongs> shruggin
2016-11-01T03:29:39 < KreAture> LeelooMinai that is what I am trying to figure out what i need and how cheap to do it
2016-11-01T03:29:43 <@dongs> you still cant get fsmc in 48pin package even if its high density.
2016-11-01T03:29:47 < KreAture> so far I have found around $3 option
2016-11-01T03:29:53 < KreAture> dongs  true
2016-11-01T03:30:07 <@dongs> i.e. if STM32F103CC existed (which it doesnt)
2016-11-01T03:30:18 < KreAture> but they do not make the xD in less than 384k dongs
2016-11-01T03:30:19 < LeelooMinai> KreAture: Is the image going to be just stored? Can you put it on flash?
2016-11-01T03:30:34 < KreAture> so it doesn't exist in a less than 64 or 100 I think
2016-11-01T03:30:37 < LeelooMinai> Or it has to be ram?
2016-11-01T03:30:47 < KreAture> LeelooMinai the images come in at 30 fps
2016-11-01T03:30:55 < KreAture> easy come, easy go
2016-11-01T03:30:57 < KreAture> lol
2016-11-01T03:31:16 <@dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/kickstarter/32704515436.html
2016-11-01T03:31:28  * LeelooMinai sees a small FPGA jumping up "Me! Me!"
2016-11-01T03:32:04 < KreAture> LeelooMinai it works fine for the initial diff thing
2016-11-01T03:32:17 <@dongs> really this kinda sounds like a job for FPGA
2016-11-01T03:32:22 < KreAture> but then when it starts doing fourier along the data it gets fiddly
2016-11-01T03:32:48 < KreAture> dongs it is, a job for a medium sized one or so
2016-11-01T03:32:56 < KreAture> especially when there is 4 cameras
2016-11-01T03:33:01 < KreAture> start with 1 though
2016-11-01T03:35:20  * LeelooMinai decides to comb the hair before winter - bbl
2016-11-01T03:35:33 <@dongs> zyp: what you gonna use 405rg for?
2016-11-01T03:35:38 <@dongs> new trollproj?
2016-11-01T03:36:08 < zyp> EVSE thing
2016-11-01T03:36:19 < zyp> whenever I get around to actually do something about that
2016-11-01T03:36:21 <@dongs> o
2016-11-01T03:36:43 <@dongs> with oled screen and all that shit.
2016-11-01T03:38:27 < zyp> yeah, and power management and CAN comms and shit
2016-11-01T03:38:51 < zyp> and a way to hook up some shit that run linux to hook everything to the internet
2016-11-01T03:39:03 < zyp> because fuck doing internet on a mcu
2016-11-01T03:39:15 <@dongs> IoTism
2016-11-01T03:39:25 < KreAture> dongs https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-10pcs-STM32F103VCT6-STM32F103VC-STM32F103-LQFP100/32550816069.html
2016-11-01T03:39:28 < KreAture> 10pcs
2016-11-01T03:39:31 < KreAture> hmm
2016-11-01T03:39:35 <@dongs> too much
2016-11-01T03:39:52 <@dongs> oh, 1.8 not too bad.
2016-11-01T03:39:55 <@dongs> probably around right price
2016-11-01T03:40:03 <@dongs> tiem to do sdram self-refresh
2016-11-01T03:40:08 < KreAture> yeah LOL
2016-11-01T03:40:17 < KreAture> I mean they don't need refreshing that often
2016-11-01T03:40:26 < KreAture> and that can be interrupt handled
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2016-11-01T03:40:44 < KreAture> then meanwhile I would do a fetch, compute, put back
2016-11-01T03:40:45 <@dongs> wonder if you can ghetto up fsmc to actually ACCESS sdram directly like sram and do some other trash for refresh in a timer/interrupt loop or somethign
2016-11-01T03:40:52 <@dongs> i have no idea waht a refresh cycle involves
2016-11-01T03:41:00 < zyp> I'm leaning towards just throwing a socket for an intel edison on the same board as the stm32, then just plug it in to upgrade a bus node to a gateway
2016-11-01T03:41:12 < zyp> better than having a separate linux device on the bus
2016-11-01T03:41:15 <@dongs> zyp, pizero of course the o6 solution to everything
2016-11-01T03:41:33 < zyp> nah, too dumb
2016-11-01T03:42:16 < KreAture> dongs it's actually very simple, you just tell the chip to do an auto refresh
2016-11-01T03:42:23 < KreAture> it will then be unaccessible till it is done
2016-11-01T03:42:35 < KreAture> can be done on a row or bank basis I think
2016-11-01T03:42:45 < zyp> edison is small and does wifi, should be a good fit
2016-11-01T03:43:24 <@dongs> KreAture: looking forward to your tests of that.
2016-11-01T03:43:35 < zyp> that artik shit digikey spammed about a while ago could also work
2016-11-01T03:43:47 < KreAture> dongs if all we need is a piece of sw it would open up a lot of cheap uses
2016-11-01T03:44:06 <@dongs> samsung artik? what the fuck is that even
2016-11-01T03:44:29 <@dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/samsung-semiconductor-inc/SIP-KITNXB001/1510-1316-ND/5825102 haha ARDUINO HEADERS
2016-11-01T03:44:32 <@dongs> fucking kill me now :(
2016-11-01T03:45:23 < KreAture> dongs http://pdf.datasheet.directory/datasheets-0/samsung/K4S281632K-UL75.pdf
2016-11-01T03:45:31 < LeelooMinai> artik-tik-tik-tik-tik-tik-tok
2016-11-01T03:45:36 < KreAture> dongs this is 36 cents
2016-11-01T03:45:52 <@dongs> sure
2016-11-01T03:46:12 <@dongs> doesnt show refresh info tho
2016-11-01T03:46:13 < KreAture> dongs has auto and self refresh
2016-11-01T03:46:25 <@dongs> k
2016-11-01T03:46:48 < KreAture> command is in the truth table
2016-11-01T03:46:52 < KreAture> page 15
2016-11-01T03:47:49 <@dongs> hmm $60 for that thing
2016-11-01T03:47:53 <@dongs> which is basically a sellfone
2016-11-01T03:48:02 <@dongs> just missing GSM radio part
2016-11-01T03:48:11 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Doesn't matter - it's the smearing that matters:)
2016-11-01T03:48:27 < KreAture> dongs and it has 4 banks which makes it possible to use another bank while it is refreshing others
2016-11-01T03:48:49 <@dongs> better start coding
2016-11-01T03:48:58 <@dongs> do they have DIP breakout for QFP100 and TSSOP54
2016-11-01T03:49:03 <@dongs> so you ccan breadboard it like a boss
2016-11-01T03:49:20 < KreAture> dongs I get pcb's in 3 days
2016-11-01T03:49:39 < KreAture> bonus of working for a design company owned partially by a production company
2016-11-01T03:50:04 <@dongs> sounds more pro than most projects in this channel already
2016-11-01T03:50:27 < KreAture> lol, I'll post the pic of my hacked clock again to unpro stuff somewhat
2016-11-01T03:50:32 < KreAture> http://kreature.org/projects/wood_clock/wood_clock_1.jpg
2016-11-01T03:50:34 < KreAture> there
2016-11-01T03:50:39 < KreAture> all nice and comfy
2016-11-01T03:50:44 <@dongs> wtf
2016-11-01T03:50:48 <@dongs> i just linked to that on sale
2016-11-01T03:50:51 <@dongs> on aliexpress
2016-11-01T03:50:59 <@dongs> dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/kickstarter/32704515436.html
2016-11-01T03:51:16 < KreAture> a bit bigger tho?
2016-11-01T03:51:24 <@dongs> maybe
2016-11-01T03:51:32 <@dongs> whats up wiht discloloration on the 8
2016-11-01T03:51:36 <@dongs> just shitty 7segs?
2016-11-01T03:51:45 <@dongs> not enough brightness or somethign
2016-11-01T03:51:46 < KreAture> This cute little thing has a fixed spot on my shelf, and now it's a hole in the dust there!
2016-11-01T03:52:00 < KreAture> brightness thing on cam
2016-11-01T03:52:29 < KreAture> it is cycling segs from rigt to left and probably just started on the leftmost
2016-11-01T03:52:33 < KreAture> cam pics that up as a gradient
2016-11-01T03:53:32 < KreAture> 8 pins with open collector for the kathode side and 4 pins that control anode supply
2016-11-01T03:53:48 < KreAture> selecting one of the digits
2016-11-01T03:53:50 < KreAture> classic setup
2016-11-01T03:54:14 < KreAture> except the mofos desided to flip the second digit to get the dot into a : pattern
2016-11-01T03:54:28 < KreAture> and in doing so did not also change the segment connections
2016-11-01T03:54:41 < KreAture> so the 2'nd digit is upside down and needs a special table to display right
2016-11-01T03:54:46 < KreAture> fun to code though
2016-11-01T03:55:00 < KreAture> will nook nice when I put the wood ontop again
2016-11-01T03:55:13 < KreAture> Just need to give it some more features while I am at it.
2016-11-01T03:55:21 < KreAture> Countdown till lunch for example
2016-11-01T03:55:38 < KreAture> and maybe a bluetooth link to the coffemachine so one knows when it is unused
2016-11-01T03:55:39 < KreAture> lol
2016-11-01T03:56:43 <@dongs> oh right
2016-11-01T03:56:47 <@dongs> youre scanning it
2016-11-01T03:57:23 <@dongs> i got these huuge 7segs
2016-11-01T03:57:38 < KreAture> ooooh but I just found out something cool!
2016-11-01T03:57:47 <@dongs> somewhere in my pile of garbage
2016-11-01T03:57:56 <@dongs> like 20cm tall
2016-11-01T03:57:57 < KreAture> I will only be keeping the pics for 60ms!
2016-11-01T03:58:10 < KreAture> at 30 fps there is a new pic every 33ms
2016-11-01T03:58:33 < KreAture> That means that I may not even have to refresh the memory!
2016-11-01T03:58:37 < LeelooMinai> Refresh dram between frames?
2016-11-01T03:58:41 < KreAture> it will hold the data for long enough
2016-11-01T03:58:56 < LeelooMinai> Cheater:p
2016-11-01T04:00:04 < KreAture> a write will refresh, as will closing a row
2016-11-01T04:01:47 <@dongs> heh
2016-11-01T04:02:40 < KreAture> if you use automatic refresh you can tell the chip when to do it and it will do a row
2016-11-01T04:02:50 < KreAture> it may then need thousands of those messages every second
2016-11-01T04:03:10 < KreAture> or, in my case I say fuck it and do it all at once hehe
2016-11-01T04:03:15 < KreAture> should definately be doable
2016-11-01T04:03:56 < KreAture> The banked shit really helps though
2016-11-01T04:05:17 < KreAture> 64ms cycle at 4096 cycle refresh seems very common
2016-11-01T04:07:02 <@dongs> better fireup eagle.exe
2016-11-01T04:07:04 <@dongs> before its too late
2016-11-01T04:07:22 < upgrdman> whats the name for this type of diagram? learned about it in comp sci classes but forget all about it:   http://seshbot.com/images/plantuml/40c1ceacc43d3519b9e919430a1278c9.png
2016-11-01T04:07:55 < LeelooMinai> That yiu is great (I know I wrote it already:), but after all the time spend using datasheets, it's like a human talks to you finally, instead of a broken robot.
2016-11-01T04:08:01 < LeelooMinai> Yiu book*
2016-11-01T04:10:47 < KreAture> dongs 4096 refresh commands sent at 60ns intervall takes 246us
2016-11-01T04:10:53 < KreAture> that has to be done every 64ms
2016-11-01T04:11:00 < KreAture> still not a big issue :)
2016-11-01T04:11:12 <@dongs> 60ns is 16.67mhz
2016-11-01T04:11:15 <@dongs> what is a "command"?
2016-11-01T04:11:18 <@dongs> just toggling a pin?
2016-11-01T04:11:25 < KreAture> yep
2016-11-01T04:11:30 <@dongs> so you could setup a timer to do it?
2016-11-01T04:11:35 < KreAture> setting some bits and toggling a pin to say "yes"
2016-11-01T04:11:43 < KreAture> definately
2016-11-01T04:12:09 < KreAture> can even set up a system to block memory reads when this is going on
2016-11-01T04:12:12 <@dongs> but do the bits need to change?
2016-11-01T04:12:15 <@dongs> per each toggle?
2016-11-01T04:12:18 < KreAture> nope
2016-11-01T04:12:30 < KreAture> but we need other commands like read data etc
2016-11-01T04:12:30 <@dongs> so the 4096 thing just set something once then clock out 4096 clcoks?
2016-11-01T04:12:36 < KreAture> yes
2016-11-01T04:12:47 <@dongs> well, yeah but i mean, if youre gonna waste time, might as well try to repurpose FSMC for it
2016-11-01T04:12:47 < KreAture> at 16mhz or so
2016-11-01T04:12:50 <@dongs> like address/data lines
2016-11-01T04:13:05 <@dongs> so you can at least acccess it for read/write more or less same way as you would sram
2016-11-01T04:13:07 < KreAture> well, the point is, fsmc is not needed at all if doing sdram
2016-11-01T04:13:13 <@dongs> ...
2016-11-01T04:13:14 < KreAture> can just use the f103c6
2016-11-01T04:13:24 < KreAture> cheap as it comes
2016-11-01T04:13:51 < KreAture> The packages are 54tssop too
2016-11-01T04:14:13 < KreAture> and I can interface em 8 bits wide if I want to saver pins
2016-11-01T04:15:26 < KreAture> 12 address lines, 8/16 data
2016-11-01T04:15:55 < KreAture> This is too tempting
2016-11-01T04:16:02 < KreAture> I think I will order some stuff at work tomorrow
2016-11-01T04:16:06 < KreAture> now bedtime
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2016-11-01T04:18:12 < zyp> dongs, ever done usb hubs?
2016-11-01T04:18:25 <@dongs> you mean like usb hub IC?
2016-11-01T04:18:30 <@dongs> yeah, a bunch of times.
2016-11-01T04:18:31 < zyp> yes
2016-11-01T04:18:51 <@dongs> using GL850G or somesuch tssop20
2016-11-01T04:18:52 <@dongs> cheap as shit
2016-11-01T04:19:13 <@dongs> and an older design using 48pin some alcor micro chip
2016-11-01T04:19:54 <@dongs> er tssop28 for GL, anyway yeah
2016-11-01T04:20:28 < zyp> ah, nice
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2016-11-01T04:44:06 <@dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/272432264258 not bad price
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2016-11-01T05:25:15 <@dongs> http://www.panelook.com/N144NGE-E41_Innolux_14.4_LCM_overview_18649.html i got this weird thing
2016-11-01T05:37:59 < upgrdman> reading some opengl stuff, "The GPU then processes, blends and dithers the fragments to the output framebuffer" ... why dither? for antialiasing?
2016-11-01T05:38:49 <@dongs> because 1986
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2016-11-01T06:21:06 < upgrdman> does iwatsu only market inside .jp?
2016-11-01T06:21:21 < upgrdman> i rarely see them or kikusui in the usa
2016-11-01T06:37:18 < PeterM> or yokogowa
2016-11-01T06:37:35 < PeterM> they have some damn nice scopecorders
2016-11-01T06:45:10 < kakimir> jesus - almost thought you were talking about different brands of waifus
2016-11-01T06:45:27 < kakimir> good mornings
2016-11-01T06:45:59 < kakimir> 6:45AM
2016-11-01T06:46:54 <@dongs> let's autism
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2016-11-01T07:03:49 < upgrdman> ya but why
2016-11-01T07:04:56 < upgrdman> why do things get dithered
2016-11-01T07:06:25 < upgrdman> ya but i havent read that far yet ;)
2016-11-01T07:09:23 < upgrdman> the more i read the one i got, the more polarized i get
2016-11-01T07:09:29 < upgrdman> its nice but fuck it pissed me off to
2016-11-01T07:09:41 < upgrdman> but its nicer than the rest
2016-11-01T07:10:02 < upgrdman> its a textbook, so theres so much faggotry with like "try these examples to test yourself"
2016-11-01T07:10:22 < upgrdman> and just little code snippets in the book
2016-11-01T07:10:31 < upgrdman> so you have to reference the code ZIP file to see a full file
2016-11-01T07:14:13 < upgrdman> temporal pop?
2016-11-01T07:15:27 < upgrdman> got a gif/vid of this? im not getting it
2016-11-01T07:19:39 < jpa-> upgrdman: even with 24 bit color depth, some gradients can appear banded if you don't dither
2016-11-01T07:19:58 < jpa-> and 3D graphics with smooth shading generates a lot of gradients
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2016-11-01T07:47:56 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/Xn54E2H.png :p
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2016-11-01T08:05:19 < ds2> Nasa Tech Briefs is free?
2016-11-01T08:05:31 < ds2> isn't that a paper rag?
2016-11-01T08:09:21 < ds2> got URL for subscription? it has good stuff in there every now and then... read it a few articles from it while waiting in some company lobby
2016-11-01T08:10:55 < emeb_mac> yo ds2 - long time
2016-11-01T08:11:15 < ds2> hey emac... indeed..
2016-11-01T08:11:34 < emeb_mac> ds2: what's new & exciting @ hy-research?
2016-11-01T08:12:56 < ds2> emeb_mac: running ragged :D
2016-11-01T08:13:22 < ds2> emeb_mac: need to find time to finish projects
2016-11-01T08:13:25 < emeb_mac> ds2: keeping busy is better than the alternative.
2016-11-01T08:14:28 < ds2> emeb_mac: doesn't seem like it... what about u?
2016-11-01T08:15:01 < emeb_mac> ds2: still slaving away on sdr stuff for GD. that's about over though.
2016-11-01T08:15:21 < ds2> emeb_mac: I need to find time to get back to playing with SDR :(
2016-11-01T08:17:36 < emeb_mac> ds2: there's a cool new HF-band SDR board for BBB
2016-11-01T08:17:56 < emeb_mac> rx only though, but fairly inexpensive ($200)
2016-11-01T08:18:59 < emeb_mac> http://kiwisdr.com/kiwisdr/
2016-11-01T08:19:04 < ds2> is that the kick starter one?
2016-11-01T08:19:09 < emeb_mac> ya
2016-11-01T08:19:15 < ds2> much rather build my own
2016-11-01T08:19:20 < emeb_mac> true
2016-11-01T08:19:31 < ds2> wanted to build my own HF coverage radio for the last 30 years 
2016-11-01T08:19:55 < emeb_mac> but the price on this is pretty good - the ADC they use is about $40 if you try to get it thru normal disty
2016-11-01T08:21:30 < ds2> verilog?!
2016-11-01T08:21:51 < ds2> hmm 16.5MHz, must be up and down conversion?
2016-11-01T08:25:29 < emeb_mac> HF receiver runs @ 65MSPS - 32.5MHz max bandwidth
2016-11-01T08:25:40 < ReadErr> for dongs https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14853044_10154616092877768_8975680569519139912_o.jpg
2016-11-01T08:25:51 < emeb_mac> but they've got a DDC in the FPGA to get down to audio
2016-11-01T08:27:19 < ds2> hmmm blah
2016-11-01T08:28:02 < emeb_mac> ds2: it's not how I would have designed it, but it seems to work well
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2016-11-01T08:30:45 < ds2> still convinced most of the work should be doable on the Beagle
2016-11-01T08:31:03 < ds2> between the PRU and the mini super computer, there is plenty of processing available
2016-11-01T08:32:21 < emeb_mac> ds2: possibly.
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2016-11-01T09:15:00 < ReadErr> did you steal a laptop from a school?
2016-11-01T09:17:28 < ReadErr> yea pretty much need 16 these days IMO
2016-11-01T09:28:05 <@dongs> ReadErr: what is this trash, mavic crashing? lol what a surprise
2016-11-01T09:28:13 < ReadErr> yea 
2016-11-01T09:28:16 <@dongs> why does it look like chinese garbage
2016-11-01T09:28:20 < ReadErr> cuz it is
2016-11-01T09:28:56 <@dongs> is tehre even any user-replaceable parts on that thing
2016-11-01T09:29:00 <@dongs> or anything standard
2016-11-01T09:29:22 <@dongs> k time to write some code
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2016-11-01T09:32:38 < jpa-> dongs has ops now?
2016-11-01T09:34:34 < ReadErr> I think its one of the kinda things you gotta mail to them for repairs
2016-11-01T09:35:11 < ReadErr> im cock deep in eclipse right now
2016-11-01T09:36:07 <@dongs> is there thumb asm for ROL?
2016-11-01T09:37:08 <@dongs> oih fuck
2016-11-01T09:37:11 <@dongs> theres only rotate right??
2016-11-01T09:37:45 <@dongs> whyyyyy
2016-11-01T09:37:52 < jpa-> rotate right = rotate left with 32 - n
2016-11-01T09:38:09 <@dongs> ROR with shift length, n, more than 32 is the same as ROR with shift length n-32.
2016-11-01T09:38:12 <@dongs> this?
2016-11-01T09:38:22 < jpa-> no
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2016-11-01T09:38:37 <@dongs> oh you mean
2016-11-01T09:38:41 <@dongs> just rotate a lot more
2016-11-01T09:38:45 <@dongs> and it becomes a left rotate?
2016-11-01T09:39:00 <@dongs> lets see if keil will figure this out automatically
2016-11-01T09:39:03 <@dongs> without me having to write asm
2016-11-01T09:41:17 < jpa-> #define __ROL(x,n) __ROR(x,32-n)
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2016-11-01T09:43:25 <@dongs> cool
2016-11-01T09:43:43 <@dongs> but im gonna hope i wont need to actually do this manually.
2016-11-01T09:45:09 < ReadErr> damn jpa- like some kinda rocket surgeon 
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2016-11-01T09:53:12 < mumptai> dat' ain't typesafe, better put in an inlineable function with propper types
2016-11-01T09:54:55 <@dongs> anyone ever used agilent benchvue with non-agilent device?
2016-11-01T09:55:11 <@dongs> imn thinking as long as trash is supported by ni-visa shit it should work yeah?
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2016-11-01T10:02:16 <@dongs> 000008  eb0272b2          ADD      r2,r2,r2,ROR #30      ;40
2016-11-01T10:02:16 <@dongs> 00000c  1c52              ADDS     r2,r2,#1              ;40
2016-11-01T10:02:16 <@dongs> 00000e  ea826232          EOR      r2,r2,r2,ROR #24      ;41
2016-11-01T10:02:18 <@dongs> ha ha ha
2016-11-01T10:02:19 <@dongs> <3 keil
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2016-11-01T10:10:51 < upgrdman> ohsix, wtf do you have >3k tabs open in firefux?
2016-11-01T10:11:25 < Jak_o_Shadows> Firefox doesn't even load tabs until you go to it
2016-11-01T10:11:53 < upgrdman> how do your nav open tabs tho
2016-11-01T10:12:14 <@dongs> why "navigate tabs" at all
2016-11-01T10:12:20 <@dongs> windows has a perfectly usable window manager
2016-11-01T10:12:22 <@dongs> wiht alt-tab etc
2016-11-01T10:12:46 < upgrdman> dongs, ya but your favorite IRCer has 3000 tabs open. that'd be a fuckton of alt-tab'ing
2016-11-01T10:13:05 <@dongs> upgrdman: if I was so far off into autism, i'd probly have double those tabs open
2016-11-01T10:13:17 <@dongs> at one point I had installed a thing that closed windows in chrome that i havenet looked at for > 24hours
2016-11-01T10:13:20 <@dongs> i need to isntall taht back up
2016-11-01T10:13:26 < upgrdman> i'd kinda like to see macOS's expose try to visualize 3000 open windows when it does it zoom-out animation thinggy
2016-11-01T10:13:38 <@dongs> cuz i mostly just end up with useless windows that I mass-close once a week or somethign
2016-11-01T10:14:10 <@dongs> now that windows 1607 fixed explorer windows from crashing if you open > 20
2016-11-01T10:14:15 <@dongs> i gotta write something similar for explorer ones too
2016-11-01T10:14:29 < upgrdman> i guess im kinda usual in that i keep <10 tabs open at a time. bookmark things that may be interesting, and close them.
2016-11-01T10:14:36 < upgrdman> s/usual/unusual
2016-11-01T10:14:44 <@dongs> nope, sounds perfectly normal
2016-11-01T10:14:58 <@dongs> my browser is usually open to get a bit of info that I need, I get the info, and it gets closed or forgotten
2016-11-01T10:16:17 <@dongs> hm. japtv crypto is slow on F4.
2016-11-01T10:16:21 <@dongs> even with clean looking asm
2016-11-01T10:16:26 <@dongs> 800cycles for 8 bytes
2016-11-01T10:16:48 <@dongs> which ends up being around 12.8mbit/sec ignoring all other overhead
2016-11-01T10:16:49 < Jak_o_Shadows> Opera, barring the chinese government stuff, is ok
2016-11-01T10:16:54 < upgrdman> dongs, trying to decrypt jap tv offline with an f4?
2016-11-01T10:17:05 < Jak_o_Shadows> It refrehses all your tabs on open
2016-11-01T10:18:03 < upgrdman> well i've had my dose of candy for halloween
2016-11-01T10:18:15 < upgrdman> time to go to bed and enjoy the sugar induced coma
2016-11-01T10:18:25 < jpa-> dongs: what is japtv crypto like?
2016-11-01T10:18:27 < upgrdman> \o
2016-11-01T10:18:42 <@dongs> jpa, ISO9979/0009
2016-11-01T10:18:56 <@dongs> with 32 rounds
2016-11-01T10:21:49 < jpa-> http://libtomcrypt.sourcearchive.com/documentation/1.17-3/multi2_8c_source.html   such for loops
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2016-11-01T10:22:03 < jpa-> for (t = 4*((N&1)^1), n = N; ;  ) {    whyy
2016-11-01T10:22:20 <@dongs> heh i dont think the comcrypt version works correctly
2016-11-01T10:22:25 <@dongs> ive looked at it years ago
2016-11-01T10:22:54 <@dongs> the only interesting bits are the pi1..pi4
2016-11-01T10:23:04 <@dongs> all the rest of the code is basicallyt just repeating them in various loops.
2016-11-01T10:23:20 <@dongs> from what i see from keil output, its about as fast as its gonna get
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2016-11-01T10:24:31 <@dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/bTOYNH30.html i.e. pi3
2016-11-01T10:25:57 <@dongs> standard claims 1mbit/mips
2016-11-01T10:26:23 < jpa-> asm looks pretty efficient indeed
2016-11-01T10:27:29 <@dongs> i set a breakpoint and checked DWC_CYCCNT before and after calling 64bit decrypt (32 rounds)
2016-11-01T10:27:37 <@dongs> and it was 799 cycles
2016-11-01T10:28:27 <@dongs> plus a couple cycles extra for XORs at the end for CBC but I didnt count that shit
2016-11-01T10:28:40 <@dongs> anyway, too slow
2016-11-01T10:29:01 < jpa-> so hmm.. approximating: pi1: 3 cycles, pi2: 8 cycles, pi3: 16 cycles, pi4: 8 cycles; total 35 * 32 = about 1120      yeah, 800 seems pretty good
2016-11-01T10:29:23 <@dongs> no
2016-11-01T10:29:29 <@dongs> piX is one cycle
2016-11-01T10:29:40 <@dongs> so for 32, its pi1..4 * 4
2016-11-01T10:29:47 <@dongs> no
2016-11-01T10:29:50 <@dongs> pi1..4*2 * 4
2016-11-01T10:29:53 < jpa-> ah
2016-11-01T10:30:11 < jpa-> then it should be possible to get better
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2016-11-01T10:30:19 <@dongs> the main "loop" is (pi1,2,3,4 pi1,2,3,4) repeat 4
2016-11-01T10:30:21 < jpa-> try to inline it and hardcode the 32 loops
2016-11-01T10:30:51 <@dongs> it would need to be like 4x improvement to be worth even considering
2016-11-01T10:31:18 < jpa-> ah well, probably not going to get that fast
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2016-11-01T10:32:47 <@dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/mx4fQa40.html here's all the pis
2016-11-01T10:32:58 <@dongs> each thumb insn = 1clock?
2016-11-01T10:33:05 < jpa-> if it is ECB mode, you could try caching the decryptions
2016-11-01T10:33:10 <@dongs> CBC of course
2016-11-01T10:33:20 <@dongs> CBC is reset every ~184 bytes
2016-11-01T10:33:27 <@dongs> (1 ts packet or less0
2016-11-01T10:33:55 < jpa-> http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0337e/BABBCJII.html   gives instruction timings, most are 1 cycle
2016-11-01T10:34:30 <@dongs> ah shit like LDR is 2
2016-11-01T10:34:37 <@dongs> load/store
2016-11-01T10:34:38 < jpa-> inlining would get rid of some load/stores
2016-11-01T10:34:44 <@dongs> right
2016-11-01T10:34:46 <@dongs> lemme see that.
2016-11-01T10:35:03 < jpa-> also moving the data to CCM might help
2016-11-01T10:35:46 <@dongs> 5355 / 6107
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2016-11-01T10:35:54 <@dongs> 752
2016-11-01T10:35:56 <@dongs> yeah no
2016-11-01T10:36:45 <@dongs> hm its not inlining it tho
2016-11-01T10:36:57 <@dongs> it only inlined pi1
2016-11-01T10:36:58 <@dongs> heh
2016-11-01T10:38:00 <@dongs> there
2016-11-01T10:38:05 <@dongs> __forceiniline taht shit
2016-11-01T10:38:27 <@dongs> 5352/5709
2016-11-01T10:38:36 <@dongs> whoa wat
2016-11-01T10:38:43 <@dongs> thats a lot better.
2016-11-01T10:39:53 <@dongs> mm yeah whole thing is done dicking with everything in registers
2016-11-01T10:40:48 <@dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/rLZn1371.html
2016-11-01T10:40:54 <@dongs> gotta give credit to keil for being awesome
2016-11-01T10:41:55 < jpa-> STRD     r4,r1,[r0,#0]    i wonder why it is doing this many times there
2016-11-01T10:42:03 <@dongs> so thats 28.6mbit
2016-11-01T10:42:55 <@dongs> i should really implement full thing tho including CBC and OFB wehn its not mod 8
2016-11-01T10:43:16 < jpa-> i would still try these: hardcode the loop into 4 iterations, and put "restrict" on *p and *uk
2016-11-01T10:43:35 <@dongs> unroll the for you mean?
2016-11-01T10:43:41 <@dongs> well, im not compiling exactly tomctypt code
2016-11-01T10:43:48 <@dongs> his shit is weird
2016-11-01T10:43:50 < jpa-> no need to manually unroll, as long as it says "4" instead of "N"
2016-11-01T10:43:55 <@dongs> my input/outputs are uint32s
2016-11-01T10:43:57 <@dongs> ah, right
2016-11-01T10:44:00 < jpa-> yeah well whatever the names of pointers are for you
2016-11-01T10:44:02 <@dongs> yeah mine is hardcoded to 4 anyway
2016-11-01T10:44:06 < jpa-> ah, ok
2016-11-01T10:44:07 <@dongs> they're not pointers
2016-11-01T10:44:11 <@dongs> just 2 uint32s
2016-11-01T10:44:13 < jpa-> hmm ok
2016-11-01T10:44:30 < jpa-> how does output go out from your function?
2016-11-01T10:44:55 <@dongs> it doens't yet. i'd be storing the resuilting uint32*2 into buffer
2016-11-01T10:45:04 <@dongs> as BE or wahtever
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2016-11-01T10:45:22 < Ecco> I'm trying to increase my transistor foo (which is curently terrible)
2016-11-01T10:45:27 < jpa-> i'm just wondering why it keeps doing   STRD     r4,r1,[r0,#0]   for no reason
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2016-11-01T10:46:17 < Ecco> What's "Collector Leakage current"?  Is it the current that flows betwen collector/emitter when there's zero intensity going in the base?
2016-11-01T10:46:18 < jpa-> and anyway the assembler looks a *lot* like the first two arguments to decrypt() are pointers
2016-11-01T10:46:25 < jpa-> Ecco: yep
2016-11-01T10:46:38 < Ecco> great. /me is getting a little bit less dumb
2016-11-01T10:47:47 < Ecco> ok
2016-11-01T10:47:51 < Ecco> I've read some pages there
2016-11-01T10:48:02 < Ecco> It was indeed interesting
2016-11-01T10:48:04 <@dongs> jpa, ah, right. uint32 pointers. i thought i only had it at the main decrypt thing.
2016-11-01T10:48:06 < Ecco> but didn't get far enough
2016-11-01T10:48:07 <@dongs> gonna fix pis.
2016-11-01T10:48:42 < Fleck> http://fleck.rullz.lv/Soviet/Transistor_tester.jpg << this can measure collector leaks :P
2016-11-01T10:48:51 <@dongs> hm, the onyl way tyo do that is just manually inline the shit.
2016-11-01T10:48:52 < jpa-> you can keep the pointers if you just put "restrict" on them
2016-11-01T10:49:00 <@dongs> what does that achieve
2016-11-01T10:49:03 < Fleck> srsly need to make better pic of it ;P
2016-11-01T10:49:11 <@dongs> and is that a GNU thing
2016-11-01T10:49:12 < Ecco> I quite don't get the "Collector-Emitter saturation voltage"
2016-11-01T10:49:12 < jpa-> it tells the compiler that the two pointers will never point to the same memory
2016-11-01T10:49:17 < jpa-> no, it's C99 thing
2016-11-01T10:49:23 < Ecco> is it the voltage drop acros the transistor when it's saturated?
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2016-11-01T10:49:57 < jpa-> decrypt(uint32_t *restrict foobar, ...)
2016-11-01T10:50:05 < Fleck> yes, like diode less that that voltage - nothing passes
2016-11-01T10:50:18 < Fleck> *goes through
2016-11-01T10:50:29 < Ecco> oh, so like the forward voltage of a diode?
2016-11-01T10:50:35 < Fleck> yep
2016-11-01T10:50:38 < Ecco> ok thanks
2016-11-01T10:50:53 <@dongs> STRD is gone
2016-11-01T10:51:21 < Ecco> it makes sense
2016-11-01T10:51:33 <@dongs> 5354/5643
2016-11-01T10:51:47 <@dongs> 289
2016-11-01T10:52:13 <@dongs> 357 -> 289
2016-11-01T10:52:15 <@dongs> hmm
2016-11-01T10:52:58 < Ecco> Ok I think I start to understand
2016-11-01T10:53:14 < Ecco> so a transistor is not exactly like a closed circuit even if it's saturating
2016-11-01T10:53:14 <@dongs> thats getting into "maybe i should try this" category
2016-11-01T10:53:18 <@dongs> 35mbit
2016-11-01T10:53:20 <@dongs> at 168mhz
2016-11-01T10:53:46 < Ecco> it's more like a diode, right?
2016-11-01T10:56:13 <@dongs> 5467/5737
2016-11-01T10:58:47 <@dongs> but nah.
2016-11-01T10:58:53 <@dongs> would need tsdemux and copy to/from
2016-11-01T10:59:15 <@dongs> i could put buffers into CCM
2016-11-01T10:59:20 <@dongs> but then I'd need to copy them there
2016-11-01T10:59:23 <@dongs> cuz it can't be DMA"d
2016-11-01T10:59:33 <@dongs> which would negate any speed improvements
2016-11-01T11:00:02 <@dongs> i think 64bit load into registers before loop is fast enough, and the bulk of calculation is all inside regs
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2016-11-01T11:02:06 < Fleck> Ecco: http://amasci.com/amateur/transis2.html
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2016-11-01T11:04:13 < Ecco> reading. Thanks!
2016-11-01T11:10:48 < jpa-> dongs: you could always slap a tiny fpga there to do it :P
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2016-11-01T11:11:43 <@dongs> laff
2016-11-01T11:11:53 < Fleck> can share a good book also if interested Ecco, it's about PSUs but there is a chapter that talks about transistors, also FETs and IGBTs
2016-11-01T11:12:03 <@dongs> do you think that would be a solution?
2016-11-01T11:13:21 < jpa-> well even a slowish fpga should be able to do that pipelined at 1bit/clock speed
2016-11-01T11:20:52 <@dongs> heh
2016-11-01T11:20:58 <@dongs> implementing the rest of the shti
2016-11-01T11:21:00 <@dongs> to see what it looks like
2016-11-01T11:21:03 < sync> dongs: are you trying to snag jappu pr0n off the sattelites again?
2016-11-01T11:21:47 <@dongs> i would never do such thing
2016-11-01T11:22:50 < sync> hm
2016-11-01T11:23:06 < sync> the asm looks inefficient, but idk
2016-11-01T11:23:26 <@dongs> 5857/13145
2016-11-01T11:23:51 <@dongs> 7288cycles for 184 bytes
2016-11-01T11:23:57 <@dongs> sync, how so?
2016-11-01T11:25:31 <@dongs> however im trying to understand how the standard's 1mbit=1mips thing is supposed to work
2016-11-01T11:25:43 < jpa-> i don't think dongs has even pasted the latest asm after strd was eliminated
2016-11-01T11:26:34 <@dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/P4BZgr61.html
2016-11-01T11:26:36 <@dongs> here you go
2016-11-01T11:26:53 <@dongs> loop is not unrolled but whatevers
2016-11-01T11:27:32 < jpa-> yeah, looks reasonable to me
2016-11-01T11:27:34 < kakimir> can I rptate connect bot 90degrees?
2016-11-01T11:28:17 < jpa-> rptate all you want
2016-11-01T11:28:29 < karlp> KreAture_Zzz: thanks for all those battery vids, total time suck
2016-11-01T11:33:56 <@dongs> http://www.hngn.com/articles/214446/20161030/truth-hoax-nasas-warning-apocalyptic-15-days-darkness-earth-november.htm haha what kinda retards are spreading this shit
2016-11-01T11:34:07 <@dongs> is it only people who use facebook as thier news source?
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2016-11-01T11:38:04 < jpa-> wouldn't scare finnish people, we usually get less than 10 hours total sunlight in november anyway
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2016-11-01T12:07:12 < kakimir> jpa: how?
2016-11-01T12:09:18 < kakimir> dongs: nibiru?
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2016-11-01T12:16:19 < ReadErr> excuse me?
2016-11-01T12:22:55 < ReadErr> doesnt couchpotato or something do it kinda
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2016-11-01T12:44:45 < ReadErr> well my time wasted in eclipse has proven to be useful 
2016-11-01T12:44:58 < ReadErr> been a minute
2016-11-01T12:45:52 <@dongs> a minute doing what
2016-11-01T12:46:15 < ReadErr> since i wrote some shit in eclipse
2016-11-01T12:46:53 < ReadErr> or debugged anything
2016-11-01T12:59:07 <@dongs> but how many arduino headers did you plug in
2016-11-01T12:59:18 <@dongs> im curious how the fuck jlinkultra is supposed to power target
2016-11-01T12:59:23 <@dongs> i dont see anything special about it anywehre
2016-11-01T12:59:30 <@dongs> like a GUI where I can control voltage/limit current
2016-11-01T12:59:40 <@dongs> should probly read manual
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2016-11-01T13:03:21 <@dongs> o yea
2016-11-01T13:03:22 <@dongs> there it is
2016-11-01T13:03:25 <@dongs> the tray thing
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2016-11-01T13:13:15 <@dongs> hmm. toggling power does fuckall
2016-11-01T13:13:32 <@dongs> i wonder if its cuz my jtag1020 thing is wrongly made
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2016-11-01T13:14:10 <@dongs> o ya... supply is over pin 19
2016-11-01T13:14:45 <@dongs> hm and its always 5V
2016-11-01T13:14:47 <@dongs> wel, thats kinda useless.
2016-11-01T13:16:01 < Steffanx> Lol, such blogging here. Two talk while they dont respond to eachother
2016-11-01T13:16:19 <@dongs> huh?
2016-11-01T13:16:30 < karlp> I'm following one of them...
2016-11-01T13:17:15 <@dongs> mmm jlink target pwoer measurement is surprisingly accurate
2016-11-01T13:17:24 <@dongs> 2.605V and my riglol shows 2.607
2016-11-01T13:18:30 < Steffanx> And your calibrated keithley?
2016-11-01T13:18:52 <@dongs> dont have that in the loop yet. i need to clear my desk and attach those shiny new PROBEMASTER(TM) probes
2016-11-01T13:19:07 <@dongs> but last i checked it was 0.001-2 within riglol output
2016-11-01T13:20:05 < Steffanx> What rigol?
2016-11-01T13:20:15 <@dongs> power supply
2016-11-01T13:21:14 < Steffanx> But they have more than one.
2016-11-01T13:21:37 <@dongs> dp832
2016-11-01T13:26:42 < Steffanx> Ah. So its actually useable
2016-11-01T13:27:03 < ReadErr> you can riglol them 
2016-11-01T13:27:10 < ReadErr> and unlock the features
2016-11-01T13:27:27 <@dongs> except the accuracy is like, you're better off not
2016-11-01T13:28:24 < Steffanx> Make a 3000W one out of a 140W one?
2016-11-01T13:28:58 <@dongs> enable usb/ethernet?/3 decimal point accuracy
2016-11-01T13:29:27 < ReadErr> some kind of triggers too
2016-11-01T13:33:22 <@dongs> watrever looks dumb
2016-11-01T13:33:39 <@dongs> tried to paly wiht it, there's some kinda 'monitor' gui that looks like it might be neat for stuff but it only shows recorded files
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2016-11-01T13:34:01 <@dongs> tried to record, doesnt work
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2016-11-01T14:01:27 < Thorn> brymen arrived. packaging is pretty bad (padding only on top)
2016-11-01T14:01:57 < Thorn> according to it my PSU @ 3.30V is 3.30005V
2016-11-01T14:03:57 <@dongs> cool
2016-11-01T14:09:09 < Thorn> bobcat unpacking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x64h4_5o2Hg
2016-11-01T14:10:02 <@dongs> do these people want to die
2016-11-01T14:11:06 < Thorn> they bought an office chair from Randall Munroe https://xkcd.com/325/
2016-11-01T14:11:50 < karlp> dongs: how much did you pay again? for which model?
2016-11-01T14:12:01 <@dongs> which?
2016-11-01T14:12:06 <@dongs> riglol power supply?
2016-11-01T14:12:35 <@dongs> DP832, paid wahtever it was in china on ebay with liek 2 monmths shipping
2016-11-01T14:12:39 <@dongs> that was supposed to be "fedex"
2016-11-01T14:12:39 < karlp> doh, no meant thorn actually :)
2016-11-01T14:12:42 <@dongs> o
2016-11-01T14:13:11 <@dongs> tried to install keysight benchvue today
2016-11-01T14:13:30 <@dongs> cuz pal with agilent DMM was complaining how any useful feature is a trial that needs licensing
2016-11-01T14:13:41 <@dongs> it needs like 300 things installed separatrely, gave up
2016-11-01T14:13:43 <@dongs> almost feels like a lunix app
2016-11-01T14:14:46 < Thorn> karlp: BM867s, $187.59 (inc. VAT 23%) + $33.32 EMS shipping
2016-11-01T14:15:23 < Thorn> shipping also includes VAT
2016-11-01T14:15:31 <@dongs> is that a handheld thing?
2016-11-01T14:15:41 <@dongs> that price is not even a deal, its nearly same at TME.eu
2016-11-01T14:16:00 < Thorn> that's where I bought it
2016-11-01T14:16:08 < Thorn> yes handheld
2016-11-01T14:16:34 < karlp> who needs desk/rack if it has usb anyway to be connected to shit
2016-11-01T14:17:10 < Thorn> I'd love a bench DMM. self-illuminated display if nothing else
2016-11-01T14:17:32 < Thorn> it has an IR interface, cable not included
2016-11-01T14:17:37 < karlp> be nice if brymen had a better product selecter than "here's 23 dmms"
2016-11-01T14:17:47 < karlp> says it has usb too?
2016-11-01T14:17:51 <@dongs> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KBZK1QW what a great "frequently bought together" combo
2016-11-01T14:17:54 < Thorn> their website is horrible
2016-11-01T14:17:56 <@dongs> karlp: TME s ays usb
2016-11-01T14:18:10 <@dongs> http://www.tme.eu/en/details/bm867/portable-digital-multimeters/brymen/bm867s/
2016-11-01T14:18:15 <@dongs> which was teh first hit for BM867S anyway
2016-11-01T14:18:26 < karlp> yeah, that's where I got usb from,
2016-11-01T14:19:11 <@dongs> wut
2016-11-01T14:19:20 <@dongs> support just has some crap about how they love to safety and quality
2016-11-01T14:19:28 <@dongs> where's software downloads
2016-11-01T14:20:38 <@dongs> Optional accessories	
2016-11-01T14:20:39 <@dongs> BU-86X USB Interface kit
2016-11-01T14:20:49 <@dongs> i bet you need this to actually make use of USB
2016-11-01T14:21:10 <@dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/171027298387
2016-11-01T14:21:12 <@dongs> confirmed
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2016-11-01T14:23:44 < karlp> oh, it's one of those shits, stupid usb-serial-ir dongle 
2016-11-01T14:23:49 < karlp> "isolation" y0
2016-11-01T14:24:37 < karlp> check out this pro case: https://www.olimex.com/Products/USB-Modules/USB-ISO/
2016-11-01T14:25:21 < karlp> adum4160 should be cheap enough to kill that fucking ir port
2016-11-01T14:25:26 < Fleck> heatshrink tube? :P
2016-11-01T14:25:33 < karlp> but then they'd have to _really_ do usb on the meter
2016-11-01T14:26:46 < Thorn> and my $467 AWG has been shipped yesterday :X
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2016-11-01T14:58:47 < decimad> PaulFertser: I can proudly feed back to you it seems to work now with openocd over jlink, thank you! Although any swd clock > 500kHz seems to be unstable... need to scope for signal integrity I guess
2016-11-01T15:00:03 < Thorn> http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-asia/article/2042013/japanese-girl-band-sparks-outrage-after-donning-nazi-uniforms
2016-11-01T15:02:10 < PaulFertser> decimad: good to hear
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2016-11-01T15:29:44 < Lux> ya, the brymen 867s is pretty nice, got one too a few months ago
2016-11-01T15:34:18 < karlp> I can't work out what the difference is between the 857s and the 867s
2016-11-01T15:36:37 <@dongs> decimad: what does it do in openocd mode, just toggles pins directly?
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2016-11-01T15:37:27 < decimad> dongs: if it did, then I could understand the bad performance, but I don't know yet
2016-11-01T15:38:18 <@dongs> that would be my guess
2016-11-01T15:38:31 <@dongs> cuz in native jlink software you have option to toggle various jtag pins from cli
2016-11-01T15:38:34 < decimad> but the script set it to 2MHz by default, so I would expect that my observations might be cause by something different
2016-11-01T15:38:37 <@dongs> if openocd calls that interface then its probly slow
2016-11-01T15:39:04 < decimad> I mean, they wouldn't set it up like that if it didn't work for them, I guess
2016-11-01T15:40:00 < Thorn> karlp: 850 series have horrible backlight iirc, see Dave's reviews
2016-11-01T15:40:52 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXu0lsOjvDs
2016-11-01T15:41:06 <@dongs> The last link has been flagged by IRC NANNY as "Possibly Unsuitable". Please find your parent(s) first and have them check the content before opening. [this channel protected by IrCNaNNY by SafeSoft v1.0b]
2016-11-01T15:41:55 < Lux> karlp: the display ? and the 867s is cat IV 1000V
2016-11-01T15:42:02 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/tXu0lsOjvDs?t=9m19s
2016-11-01T15:44:04 < Lux> that display really sucks
2016-11-01T15:44:04 < Thorn> note the 869 backlight is uneven on the left. that's what I see to (but not as bad)
2016-11-01T15:45:19 < Lux> the 867s is exactly the same
2016-11-01T15:45:22 < Lux> just checked
2016-11-01T15:45:56 < Lux> but I don't really care as long as one can see the digits clearly
2016-11-01T15:46:14 < Thorn> (I got a 867 too)
2016-11-01T15:46:45 < karlp> hrm, pity, 857s looks pretty much equiv for most other things
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2016-11-01T15:49:26 < karlp> I wonder if that backlight was what was fixed in 857a -> 857s
2016-11-01T15:50:02 < Thorn> you should compare accuracy figures too
2016-11-01T15:50:57 < karlp> "good"
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2016-11-01T16:21:08 < Thorn> why no on/off buttons on most handheld dmms
2016-11-01T16:21:57 < Ultrasauce> dongs I said "kikecad" to a colleague irl
2016-11-01T16:21:59 < Ultrasauce> it's your fault
2016-11-01T16:22:11 < Thorn> there would be less wear on the rotary switch
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2016-11-01T16:22:17 < Thorn> LOL
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2016-11-01T16:22:36 <@dongs> haha
2016-11-01T16:23:21 < kakimir> Ultrasauce: he looked you weirdly and reported you to supervisor?
2016-11-01T16:24:02 < Ultrasauce> no he didnt catch it because it's phonetically almost indistinguishable, thankfully
2016-11-01T16:25:38 <@dongs> how the ufck do you pronounce "kikcad" inreal life anyway
2016-11-01T16:25:48 <@dongs> kikecad is like the only way to say it without twisting tongue
2016-11-01T16:26:21 < Ultrasauce> kAIcad vs kikecad
2016-11-01T16:27:25 <@dongs> i thought it was ki-cad like ki in kick
2016-11-01T16:27:44 < Ultrasauce> i guess that works too
2016-11-01T16:28:31  * karlp has always said kAIcad
2016-11-01T16:28:36 < karlp> or keye-cad
2016-11-01T16:28:43 < karlp> stupid phonetics.
2016-11-01T16:28:51 < karlp> need to learn that phoenetic representation shits
2016-11-01T16:29:21 < Steffanx> No one will understand.
2016-11-01T16:29:21 < zyp> it's not like english pronounciation makes sense either way
2016-11-01T16:30:21 < BrainDamage> ^ it arbitrarily picks from whatever language it ripped the word from
2016-11-01T16:30:40 < BrainDamage> so you just have to guess
2016-11-01T16:30:44 < karlp> well kicad is french anyway, who the fuck knows what they meant
2016-11-01T16:31:00 < karlp> the c is silent then right?
2016-11-01T16:31:11 < karlp> kia-d!
2016-11-01T16:33:41 < BrainDamage> in french it's actually how dongs would spell it
2016-11-01T16:34:20 <@dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1000610379/hashkey-a-dedicated-1-key-keyboard-for-the-hashtag 
2016-11-01T16:34:29 < kakimir> I forgot to ask once what ki means
2016-11-01T16:35:20 < kakimir> Ultrasauce: you were praising kicad to your workmate and he agreed with you?
2016-11-01T16:35:37 < kakimir> then you both changed to using it instead of X
2016-11-01T16:36:24 < Thorn> there must be a porno that begins like that
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2016-11-01T16:40:56 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePpPVE-GGJw music times
2016-11-01T16:41:25 < kakimir> kpop warnings
2016-11-01T16:43:40 < kakimir> hey it has subtitles to ruin perfectly insensible lyrics
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2016-11-01T16:54:07 <@dongs> kakimir: this is pretty fuckign awful
2016-11-01T16:56:50 < kakimir> enjjoy
2016-11-01T16:57:12 < kakimir> how does yeou have ops?
2016-11-01T16:57:48 <@dongs> unsure
2016-11-01T16:57:51 < kakimir> how does englishman has ops?
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2016-11-01T17:04:52 < Fleck> ;p
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2016-11-01T17:06:19 <+kakimir> c'mon ow
2016-11-01T17:06:23 < Rob235> hi
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2016-11-01T17:07:31 <+kakimir> planning to order all new parts to tig controller pcbs
2016-11-01T17:07:39 <+kakimir> or at least all the silicon
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2016-11-01T17:10:10 <+kakimir> instead of my own pump boards connected
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2016-11-01T17:10:45 <+kakimir> wanna see the baords?
2016-11-01T17:10:48 <+kakimir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdUlGeHoya1lPclk?usp=sharing
2016-11-01T17:10:50 <@dongs> how many SMA connectors
2016-11-01T17:11:00 <+kakimir> my board had all the SMAs
2016-11-01T17:11:08 <+kakimir> it was the SMA board
2016-11-01T17:12:08 <+kakimir> I order all the parts without further investigation
2016-11-01T17:12:28 <@dongs> R2COM: GTX1050TI gets highest FPS in Starcraft2, something like 260fps absolutely amazing
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2016-11-01T17:12:46 <+kakimir> I bet that main X filter cap size of beer can that was not connected caused components to degrade and fail
2016-11-01T17:13:50 <@dongs> but its the only game that matters
2016-11-01T17:14:14 <+kakimir> hell.. gdrive move locally wont affect cloud..
2016-11-01T17:14:16 <@dongs> i've never seen a single review with "ArmA3" in it
2016-11-01T17:14:42 <@dongs> is it some ancient directx9 shit
2016-11-01T17:14:55 <@dongs> ARMA 3 is an open-world military simulator video game developed by Bohemia Interactive. It was released on September 12, 2013. Wikipedia
2016-11-01T17:14:58 <@dongs> 2013 wut
2016-11-01T17:14:59 <+kakimir> arma2 is dongs 
2016-11-01T17:15:10 <@dongs> its $40
2016-11-01T17:15:12 <@dongs> and requires steam
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2016-11-01T17:16:10 <+kakimir> don't play videogames
2016-11-01T17:16:48 <@dongs> R2COM: does it have any fun single player mode
2016-11-01T17:19:07 <@dongs> that sounds boring
2016-11-01T17:23:51 < Rob235> I hate that online multiplayer is the norm now... games have no storyline anymore
2016-11-01T17:24:24 < Rob235> go for it
2016-11-01T17:24:54 < decimad> you gotta hate when you can't use enum class identifiers because the fucking c #define fuck shit defines those identifiers
2016-11-01T17:25:28 < decimad> I should have added a few more swears
2016-11-01T17:25:56 < decimad> that is why c preprocessor crap sucks
2016-11-01T17:26:02 < Ultrasauce> are you.....mad?
2016-11-01T17:29:57 < Thorn> decimad: #undef
2016-11-01T17:30:27 <@dongs> who's chatting that you have on ignore?
2016-11-01T17:30:33 < Rob235> jme
2016-11-01T17:30:35 < Rob235> me*
2016-11-01T17:30:40 <@dongs> oh
2016-11-01T17:31:03 <@dongs> i thought you were kinda harmless
2016-11-01T17:31:06 <@dongs> aandrew is ok
2016-11-01T17:31:10 <@dongs> R2COM: i do not approve your ignore list
2016-11-01T17:31:19 < Rob235> I thought I was too
2016-11-01T17:31:20 <@dongs> only ohsix | LeelooMinai belong on it
2016-11-01T17:31:49 < Rob235> but apparently R2COM can't handle people with differences or mental health issues
2016-11-01T17:32:59 < Rob235> which is a case for R2COM to be on meds himself
2016-11-01T17:33:35 < Rob235> or just a need to grow up
2016-11-01T17:33:42 < decimad> Thorn that is a list of about 100 defines...
2016-11-01T17:34:19 <@dongs> what are tehy
2016-11-01T17:34:37 < decimad> stm32 device names
2016-11-01T17:34:44 <@dongs> wat
2016-11-01T17:35:10 < decimad> f.e. WWDG
2016-11-01T17:35:20 < decimad> or DMA1_Stream0
2016-11-01T17:35:42 <@dongs> ... why would that even remotely matter
2016-11-01T17:35:49 < Rob235> you want to change those? why?
2016-11-01T17:35:52 <@dongs> or: why would you evne want to be changing (?) those names
2016-11-01T17:35:55 < Thorn> grep #define | sed -e 's/define/undef' or something like that lol
2016-11-01T17:36:01 < decimad> I don't want to change them
2016-11-01T17:36:21 < decimad> My irq code uses those to define irq identifiers
2016-11-01T17:36:34 < decimad> the names, not whatever the fucking header defines them to
2016-11-01T17:37:36 < Thorn> some preprocessor magic with ((foo)) or ##foo?
2016-11-01T17:38:24 < decimad> well, it's the stm32F7xx.h header that gets included, which sets those identifiers to the base address of the peripherals
2016-11-01T17:40:04 < Thorn> pastebin an example of what you're trying to do
2016-11-01T17:41:24 < decimad> I have a huge enum class that holds the identifiers of all peripherals, they serve as identifiers for registering isrs
2016-11-01T17:41:44 < Ultrasauce> I have everyone in this channel on ignore, and enjoy talking to a wall
2016-11-01T17:41:45 < decimad> when porting to the current chibios, stuff changes so that the stm header is included implicitly
2016-11-01T17:44:16 < Thorn> so enum class Periphs {RCC, TIM1, DMA1, USART2, ...}; ?
2016-11-01T17:44:33 < decimad> yes
2016-11-01T17:46:38 <@dongs> why?
2016-11-01T17:46:58 < decimad> their values serve as index to the isr table
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2016-11-01T18:12:51 <@dongs> yes
2016-11-01T18:12:57 <@dongs> thats what its for, isnt it?
2016-11-01T18:13:09 <@dongs> im making a board with F429 + SDRAM + LCD and thats my plan to use it for
2016-11-01T18:13:29 <@dongs> f7 should have smae shit
2016-11-01T18:13:31 <@dongs> same
2016-11-01T18:13:35 <@dongs> err, isnt F7disco demo makes use of it
2016-11-01T18:14:30 <@dongs> sdram is just another address
2016-11-01T18:14:32 <@dongs> accessed same way as ram
2016-11-01T18:14:37 <@dongs> starting at like 0x6000000 or whatever
2016-11-01T18:18:35 <@dongs> i think the demo uses some garbage lib
2016-11-01T18:18:37 <@dongs> TouchGFX or somethign
2016-11-01T18:18:42 <@dongs> ask Tectu he knows
2016-11-01T18:19:05 <@dongs> dude surely just setting framebuffer to sdram address is enough
2016-11-01T18:21:40 <@dongs> yeqha, and double buffer so you can draw to one while the other one updates
2016-11-01T18:21:47 <@dongs> tehre's probably a swapbuffers command/register/soemthing
2016-11-01T18:22:17 < Rob235> how hard is it to get android running on some a5/a9 chip
2016-11-01T18:23:51 < Rob235> http://www.banggood.com/A95X-NEXBOX-Amlogic-S905-64bit-Android-5_1-4K-x-2K-1G8G-Wifi-2_4G-Dolby-DTS-TV-Box-Android-Mini-PC-p-1057587.html?rmmds=search
2016-11-01T18:23:55 < Rob235> maybe I should just get something like that
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2016-11-01T18:49:09 <@dongs> http://i.imgur.com/avmsqBI.gifv retweeting
2016-11-01T18:51:36 <@dongs> http://i.imgur.com/m7Cw0ze.gifv youre too late
2016-11-01T18:53:09 < Rob235> haha
2016-11-01T18:53:28 < Rob235> that first one was cool, applying some sort of coating?
2016-11-01T18:53:40 < jpa-> vacuum forming
2016-11-01T18:53:58 < Rob235> ohhh its creating that piece I see
2016-11-01T18:54:05 <+kakimir> I need to buy another chinese ESR in-circuit slash component tester
2016-11-01T18:54:08 <+kakimir> recommends?
2016-11-01T18:55:02 < Rob235> what kind of materials work with vacuum forming
2016-11-01T18:55:20 < Rob235> is that some kind of heated plastic?
2016-11-01T18:56:19 < Rob235> I obviously don't know anything about manufacturing processes but am interested so sorry for the dumb questions
2016-11-01T18:56:55 <+kakimir> thermoplastics
2016-11-01T18:57:22 <+kakimir> if it's the term in english
2016-11-01T18:57:35 < Rob235> sounds like it would be
2016-11-01T18:58:32 < Rob235> whats the most common method of production, something like injection molding?
2016-11-01T18:59:38 <+kakimir> ys
2016-11-01T18:59:40 <+kakimir> yes
2016-11-01T19:00:31 <@dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Software-Architecture/Install-new-Modem-Driver-Ubuntu/
2016-11-01T19:01:12 < Rob235> haha
2016-11-01T19:02:13 < Rob235> do you see the same 'also bid' list as me? with odessky and zhangbaksan
2016-11-01T19:03:02 < Rob235> those pics are pretty funny
2016-11-01T19:03:17 <@dongs> thats not signed in users
2016-11-01T19:03:23 <@dongs> yeah those are some of the peeps that bid on that shit
2016-11-01T19:03:28 <@dongs> actually.. in order of bidding
2016-11-01T19:03:34 <@dongs> lol @ horse pic
2016-11-01T19:03:38 < Rob235> hah yea
2016-11-01T19:04:12 < Rob235> I thought it might be some random 5 bidders
2016-11-01T19:04:29 <@dongs> top 5.
2016-11-01T19:04:37 <@dongs> freecancer coding isnt very creative
2016-11-01T19:04:44 <@dongs> probably outsourced to some paki
2016-11-01T19:04:54 < Rob235> yea they all have good ratings
2016-11-01T19:05:51 < Rob235> I'm getting lazy.  I've never filled up my desktop before with icons.  usually limited to 2 columns.  all these random text files and screenshots
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2016-11-01T19:09:51 < Thorn> is it ever a good idea to put a speaker instead of a collector resistor in a CE BJT config?
2016-11-01T19:10:17 < Thorn> quiescent current will obviously flow through it
2016-11-01T19:11:17 < Thorn> http://www.aplusinc.com.tw/proimages/Otp%20Voice%20Ic/aP89%20Family%20Easy%20Vioce/aP89010/Datasheet/aP89021_89010_spec_ver4_0.pdf pg 16-17
2016-11-01T19:12:29 < Thorn> not to mention that the operating point looks very unstable
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2016-11-01T19:21:58 <@dongs> lol thorn, youre still going with those chips instead of using a F0?
2016-11-01T19:22:30 < Rob235> this galaxy s6 blows, the fingerprint scanner is always failing
2016-11-01T19:22:39 <@dongs> thats cuz youre a fat fuck
2016-11-01T19:22:46 <@dongs> and you probly learned the prints wrong
2016-11-01T19:22:58 <@dongs> ive had mine for over a year and zero issues with fingerprint
2016-11-01T19:22:59 < Rob235> no I mean it pops up a message saying the scanner isn't working 
2016-11-01T19:23:06 <@dongs> even when my fingers are covered with dried jizz
2016-11-01T19:23:08 <@dongs> eh?
2016-11-01T19:23:15 <@dongs> sounds liek you got trolled then
2016-11-01T19:23:21 <@dongs> probably a chinese clone
2016-11-01T19:23:46 < Rob235> nah definitely not, I got it at a verizon store
2016-11-01T19:23:59 < Rob235> it started after a software update
2016-11-01T19:24:01 < Rob235> i think
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2016-11-01T19:24:38 <@dongs> http://thedroidguy.com/2016/04/fingerprint-scanner-not-working-updating-galaxy-s6-marshmallow-issues-1058277 lol
2016-11-01T19:25:05 < Rob235> yea I haven't tried googling it yet
2016-11-01T19:25:16 < Rob235> it just happened for the first time in a while so I never bothered
2016-11-01T19:25:17 <@dongs> when i was typing the search
2016-11-01T19:25:35 <@dongs> galaxy s6 fingerprint ... < and googkle kept suggesting like "not working after update"
2016-11-01T19:25:38 <@dongs> heh
2016-11-01T19:27:16 < Thorn> dongs: they're free so...
2016-11-01T19:27:26 <@dongs> but they're OTP?
2016-11-01T19:27:34 < Thorn> yes
2016-11-01T19:28:59 < Rob235> lets see if wiping the cache partition fixes it as suggested.  I feel like thats just one of those generic responses to any problem such as: reboot the machine and see if its working first.
2016-11-01T19:29:07 <@dongs> heh
2016-11-01T19:33:21 < Rob235> nope, not working
2016-11-01T19:41:05 <+kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ESR-V5-Capacitor-Tester-Equipment-Internal-Resistance-Meter-In-Circuit-Online-/191827984796 is this any good?
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2016-11-01T19:52:52 < LeelooMinai> kakimir: Who knows... If it works a little, you are lucky imo
2016-11-01T19:53:56 <+kakimir> I bought some 8eur one and it has done everything
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2016-11-01T19:59:01 < Rob235> http://images.mentalfloss.com/sites/default/files/styles/insert_main_wide_image/public/mapmapamp.png
2016-11-01T20:03:45 < Thorn> I need test leads like these https://youtu.be/bpkSKE1kpnQ?t=1m32s
2016-11-01T20:06:23 < Fleck> the buy them :p
2016-11-01T20:06:27 < Fleck> *then
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2016-11-01T20:08:26 < Steffanx> Chinacheap.
2016-11-01T20:09:44 < Thorn> China doesn't seem to make stackable bananas like that and their grabbers seem to be shit
2016-11-01T20:20:15 < Thorn> http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ssn=f-t-2000&rt=nc not very cheap
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2016-11-01T20:29:20 < bartekww> hey
2016-11-01T20:29:27 < Florent_> hey
2016-11-01T20:29:30 < bartekww> i have got issue with PWM on libopencm3
2016-11-01T20:29:35 < bartekww> an issue*
2016-11-01T20:30:05 < bartekww> nothing is working
2016-11-01T20:30:55 < bartekww> http://pastebin.com/uWGJCA4w
2016-11-01T20:31:02 < bartekww> here is the code
2016-11-01T20:38:38 < Rob235> http://www.readytoflyquads.com/high-rate-f4-data-logger-openlager
2016-11-01T20:42:27 < Thorn> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/JW200-1-0meter-High-Quality-16AWG-flexible-silicone-4mm-banana-Plug-Patch-Cord-Test-Lead/1168452_2027787195.html == http://www.ebay.com/itm/Silicone-Leads-14AWG-with-Banana-Plugs-on-Both-Ends-1-Pair-Red-Black-/171097006313 but twice as cheap?
2016-11-01T20:43:17 < Thorn> not quite, 14awg vs 16awg
2016-11-01T20:47:17 < Steffanx> Twice as cheap? 10 pcs vs 1 pair
2016-11-01T20:47:50 < Steffanx> oh, but that is almost twice as cheap :P
2016-11-01T20:48:14 < LeelooMinai> Same price...
2016-11-01T20:49:03 < LeelooMinai> 10 pieces for $2.5 or 2 pieces for $5 
2016-11-01T20:49:44 < Thorn> $4.4 vs $9.5 per pair
2016-11-01T20:50:33 < LeelooMinai> A, I saw $4.99 for some reason. 
2016-11-01T20:50:49 < LeelooMinai> When you buy more, you get better price, so they may be comparable.
2016-11-01T20:51:12 < Thorn> are those connectors molded?
2016-11-01T20:51:15 < LeelooMinai> But the cheap ones tend to be useless - they have thin crappy wires, sometimes not even copper.
2016-11-01T20:51:45 < LeelooMinai> Yes, they are most likely - you won't be able to assemble/disassemble them.
2016-11-01T20:52:00 < Thorn> or buy them separately
2016-11-01T20:58:00 < Thorn> they do have stackable bananas https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/50pcs-5color-Gold-Plated-Retractable-4mm-Stackable-Plug-Soldering-Type/1168452_1781741357.html
2016-11-01T20:59:25 < Steffanx> doesnt look goldplated to me.
2016-11-01T21:00:29 < Thorn> it's white gold, the latest trend in jewellery
2016-11-01T21:02:38 < emeryth> anybody used STM32 touch sense controller? is it any good?
2016-11-01T21:04:00 < LeelooMinai> I used on one of the projects- worked well.
2016-11-01T21:04:21 < LeelooMinai> But the library was crazy - I did it my way.
2016-11-01T21:05:01 < LeelooMinai> emeryth: I used it for those 4 buttons there: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/13576450145
2016-11-01T21:06:04 < LeelooMinai> It works very well I must say - I made led/buzzer feedback and it racts to touch reliably.
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2016-11-01T21:06:26 < emeryth> nice, thanks
2016-11-01T21:07:55 < Thorn> wtf is this https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/5-pair-Black-Red-3-5cm-test-probe-needle-table-pen-belt-4mm-banana-jack-1mm/1168452_1778023989.html
2016-11-01T21:08:41 < LeelooMinai> Well, look at the bottom drawing - it's flexible tip.
2016-11-01T21:09:25 < LeelooMinai> I guess it's same idea as having a spring, but the tip itself is a spring..
2016-11-01T21:09:32 < Thorn> yeah why would you need that
2016-11-01T21:09:45 < LeelooMinai> For better contact proably?
2016-11-01T21:10:35 < LeelooMinai> Just guessing, but I imagine if it can bend, then if you apply a bit of pressure, it will not disconnect or slip easily.
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2016-11-01T21:12:28 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Also, you can do this:) http://i.imgur.com/icHx5Xl.png
2016-11-01T21:13:04 < LeelooMinai> Springy probe = good
2016-11-01T21:20:00 <+kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAI_aFYHsRo old photos in color
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2016-11-01T21:31:29 < Thorn> 14awg or 16awg?
2016-11-01T21:31:50 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: The thicker the better
2016-11-01T21:34:48 < Thorn> ok https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/1000A-Car-Booster-Cable-4-Meters-Long-1000-Ampere-Car-Starting-Line-ignition-Wire-Harness-Emergency/1367063_32373010010.html
2016-11-01T21:35:19 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Good - you will have very little voltage losses there:p
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2016-11-01T22:06:26 < Thorn> nope not molded https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/BP422-20pcs-Unshrouded-4mm-male-inline-banana-Plug-solder-connection-self-assembly-test-lead-connector/1168452_1985221298.html
2016-11-01T22:21:32 < decimad> Hrmm, okay, I missed to leave CLK_OUT open for an external clock signal, it is currently tied to ground. The RM says it should be left open. Would you expect this to break the pll behind it? My options are to cap that pin or a software bug... The pll values look good though
2016-11-01T22:22:35 < decimad> Problem being that the thing runs unstable when I set up HSE
2016-11-01T22:31:47 < LeelooMinai> Thorn: Well, they are semi-modled - I guess no screws and one-part construction, and they just go on tightly or something.
2016-11-01T22:32:27 < LeelooMinai> I wonder if that's a good idea...
2016-11-01T22:33:06 < LeelooMinai> When disconnecting you may take them off by accident maybe (?)
2016-11-01T22:33:45 < LeelooMinai> Unless there is something not visible on the pictures, but I see no screws or anything.
2016-11-01T22:33:49 < Thorn> maybe they latch on somehow
2016-11-01T22:34:19 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I don't know - cannot say I like that
2016-11-01T22:35:30 < Thorn> but this is most likely the connector that is used in those $9.5/pair leads
2016-11-01T22:35:57 < Thorn> at least it looks the same
2016-11-01T22:37:55 < Thorn> also female version https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/BP431-20pcs-4mm-inline-Female-banana-socket-solder-connection-self-assembly-extension-lead-connector/1168452_32254262430.html
2016-11-01T22:40:40  * LeelooMinai recalls the time when cables, connectors, etc. were cheap, and ICs expensive
2016-11-01T22:40:43 < Thorn> the worst thing is if the metal part will rotate inside the sleeve, that will break the wire in no time
2016-11-01T22:41:44 < LeelooMinai> Well, my guess is that theere is only a "lip" on half of the plastic part inside, so it cannot rotate, but still.
2016-11-01T22:42:06 < LeelooMinai> It will probably jiggle a bit
2016-11-01T22:42:30 < LeelooMinai> You can maybe superglue them:)
2016-11-01T22:42:39 < LeelooMinai> I mean hot glue
2016-11-01T22:42:51 < Thorn> yes glue is an option
2016-11-01T22:43:11 < LeelooMinai> Or epoxy, but you wan't take it apart ever again probably...
2016-11-01T22:43:17 < LeelooMinai> won't*
2016-11-01T23:00:38 < KreAture_Zzz> dang
2016-11-01T23:00:46 < KreAture_Zzz> I have been looking in my parts bin
2016-11-01T23:00:53 < KreAture_Zzz> can't find any sdr memory that is well documented
2016-11-01T23:00:55 < KreAture_Zzz> :(
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2016-11-01T23:15:04 < LeelooMinai> KreAture_Zzz: You search for parts in bins? Weird... 
2016-11-01T23:26:12 < Thorn> are these better than standard china alligator clips https://www.aliexpress.com/item/20pcs-Black-Red-Insulated-Slim-Alligator-Clip-with-4-mm-Socket/1795312223.html
2016-11-01T23:33:19 < Thorn> wtf $78.56 total
2016-11-01T23:34:17 < Thorn> I could get another DMM for that
2016-11-01T23:41:34 < LeelooMinai> So, got catapulted into some reading about "normal" RTOS alternatives and wonder about this thing: http://www.state-machine.com/
2016-11-01T23:41:43 < LeelooMinai> Anyone used something like this on micros?
2016-11-01T23:42:27 < LeelooMinai> Not yet sure what it is exactly about, but seems it's about even driven code with no blocking.
2016-11-01T23:44:01 < LeelooMinai> So, not sure if I understand it 100% yet, but I guess no task switching, and each thread runs/finishes and just looks at events and produces ones (?)
2016-11-01T23:44:18 < LeelooMinai> So one stack maybe.
2016-11-01T23:50:22 < KreAture_Zzz> LeelooMinai I got a tonn of old stuff like ddr chips etc I was just looking to see if I could pick some off
2016-11-01T23:50:27 < KreAture_Zzz> LeelooMinai I got rework stuff so
2016-11-01T23:51:44 < LeelooMinai> Right. What I meant was that if I start new project, I would rather look at what's available at the usual places where I buy, DigiKey, etc., and choose parts this way, not find some old part and build around it.
2016-11-01T23:53:02 < LeelooMinai> One reason is that technology changes very fast and there may be something nicer there, and the other is that I will want for the part to be easily buyable if I need more.
2016-11-01T23:54:20 < LeelooMinai> And it's kind of fun I guess - looking for what new things they have, etc. I guess:)
2016-11-01T23:55:53 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, not sure what's the deal with state machines in those "alternatives to RTOS"... It's not like when programming nomrally you don't have state machines...
2016-11-01T23:56:47 < LeelooMinai> I mean in my current code I have some indicator protocol decoder and it's FreeRTOS thread, but inside there is state machine obviously.
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2016-11-01T23:57:13 < LeelooMinai> Maybe I am missing something there, don't know...
2016-11-01T23:57:16 < KreAture_Zzz> LeelooMinai sdram is available, and new stm32's have controller for em
2016-11-01T23:57:24 < KreAture_Zzz> the point is the interface is standard
2016-11-01T23:57:35 < KreAture_Zzz> I just wanted a chip tomorrow so I can play while my ordered ones arrive
2016-11-01T23:57:45 < LeelooMinai> KreAture_Zzz: Sure, but there are different densities, different packages, different speeds, features, etc.
2016-11-01T23:57:52 < KreAture_Zzz> doesn't matter
2016-11-01T23:58:00 < KreAture_Zzz> that is a few config bits
2016-11-01T23:58:10 < KreAture_Zzz> all I want is to see the data in the mem decay
2016-11-01T23:58:13 < LeelooMinai> Maybe you are not as OCD as I am.
2016-11-01T23:58:26 < KreAture_Zzz> I want to gather experience on the actual protocol
2016-11-01T23:58:34 < KreAture_Zzz> not just read it in a book till the parts arrive
2016-11-01T23:58:35 < LeelooMinai> I would make whole session where I look at them, read docs, compare, etc.:)
2016-11-01T23:58:46 < KreAture_Zzz> I have read docs
2016-11-01T23:58:52 < LeelooMinai> At least that's what I did last time...
2016-11-01T23:59:21 < LeelooMinai> Ok, but if you pick some old part from a bin, you may miss oportunity to use some nicer one.
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2016-11-02T00:00:02 < LeelooMinai> Maybe smaller or something.
2016-11-02T00:00:26 < LeelooMinai> If pcb space matters. 
2016-11-02T00:01:06 < KreAture_Zzz> LeelooMinai see pm
2016-11-02T00:01:31 < KreAture_Zzz> you miss the point, the nice part is ordered
2016-11-02T00:01:37 < KreAture_Zzz> but it doesn't arrive for a week
2016-11-02T00:01:44 < KreAture_Zzz> meantime I got squat to do
2016-11-02T00:01:50 < KreAture_Zzz> that wastes money
2016-11-02T00:02:21  * KreAture_Zzz drives downtown to the hackerspace, there's a bin of ram there about 4lbs worth
2016-11-02T00:02:31 < LeelooMinai> A, ok, well, I don't really know details - thought it's some hobby project.
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2016-11-02T00:04:22 < LeelooMinai> I made pcb with FPGA and LPDDR, but did not even get to writing code around the ram part.
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2016-11-02T00:05:13 < LeelooMinai> I guess it has to wait until FPGAs are great in my mind again.
2016-11-02T00:08:42 < Steffanx> I wish i was retired too. So i could do whatever i want too :)
2016-11-02T00:08:58 < Steffanx> Or better have the time for that.
2016-11-02T00:09:04 < LeelooMinai> Well, be careful what you wish for:)
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2016-11-02T00:09:51 < LeelooMinai> Unless you mean winning a lotto and "retireing"
2016-11-02T00:10:29 < LeelooMinai> retiring*
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2016-11-02T00:10:59 < Steffannn> Or be old and retired
2016-11-02T00:11:18 < LeelooMinai> Right, like 80 and trying to program:)
2016-11-02T00:11:44 < Steffannn> Actually atm 67 is the age to retire here.
2016-11-02T00:12:13 < LeelooMinai> That's pretty late. I think it's 60 or 65 here and you have an option.
2016-11-02T00:13:09 < LeelooMinai> And in "Soviet Russia" you probably do not retire - they retire you:p
2016-11-02T00:13:27 < Steffannn> And dont underestimate 70 year olds. Ever seen this belgian "fotoopa"? Makes his own high speed camera stuff. Fpga's included
2016-11-02T00:14:04 < decimad> okay, somehow my gdb setup does not play well on systick/any interrupts, it halts the mcu and leaves the pc somewhere stranded seemingly
2016-11-02T00:14:14 < LeelooMinai> Well, sure, there are exceptions, but even them probably have like 50% of mental "powers" in comparison to when they were young.
2016-11-02T00:15:56 < LeelooMinai> decimad: There are differnt kind of "stranded" though:)  If something goes wrong you usually end up in the Fault Handler (an empty loop there most often,) and you have means of finding out from where it got triggered.
2016-11-02T00:16:22 < decimad> yes, that's what I'm used to, but right now, it ends up in a nirvana
2016-11-02T00:16:33 < decimad> and gdb shows "received sigint"
2016-11-02T00:16:53 < decimad> on a systick interrupt... everything works well if I don't enable that
2016-11-02T00:17:01 < LeelooMinai> Well, cannot you reconnect the session?
2016-11-02T00:17:32 < LeelooMinai> And set a breakpoint at "nirvana"?
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2016-11-02T00:19:29 < decimad> "nirvana" is a memory location to which nothing is mapped really, I wonder how it can end up there -.-
2016-11-02T00:19:49 < LeelooMinai> Curiously all those articles about state-machine RTOSes are written by some people who sell some software for designing those state machines...
2016-11-02T00:19:52 < decimad> the vector table reads fine and also contains the correct handler address
2016-11-02T00:20:20 < LeelooMinai> decimad: What about the stack trace?
2016-11-02T00:21:09 < decimad> the one eclipse shows me is garbage
2016-11-02T00:21:32 < decimad> stackpoint is in an allowable region though
2016-11-02T00:22:02 < LeelooMinai> I would also check the link register and check the register that shows current active interrupt. If you are lucky the link register may contain the return address to the place that jumped into the oblivion.
2016-11-02T00:23:07 < LeelooMinai> Also, if more despearate, you could use memory protection to protect non-code areas from execution - you would get exception then on any attempt to run from there.
2016-11-02T00:23:24 < LeelooMinai> Assuming you have some decent stm32 or what it is there.
2016-11-02T00:24:03 < decimad> stm32f745 it is
2016-11-02T00:24:21 < LeelooMinai> A, so good
2016-11-02T00:24:56 < zyp> MPU can do NX?
2016-11-02T00:24:57 < LeelooMinai> And ideal situation - you have debugger that can do arm trace:)
2016-11-02T00:25:12 < LeelooMinai> But probably not:p
2016-11-02T00:25:52 < LeelooMinai> zyp: I think so... It kind of is one of the main points of it, no?
2016-11-02T00:25:56 < LeelooMinai> Let me check.
2016-11-02T00:26:40 < zyp> well, it can filter read/write, but I don't know if it can distinguish read and execute
2016-11-02T00:27:30 < decimad> there's no easy way to show the system control block in gnu arm eclipse -.- give me a second, need to look up addresses etc.
2016-11-02T00:28:19 < LeelooMinai> decimad: I added it to SVD by hand.
2016-11-02T00:28:30 < LeelooMinai> + SysTick and some other stuff
2016-11-02T00:29:07 < decimad> I thought about doing that and then was lazy...
2016-11-02T00:29:25 < decimad> and now I'm not into this anymore, need to relearn much stuff
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2016-11-02T00:29:57 < upgrdman> is there something like the opposite of an FTDI FT232? so USB host, but only for talking to a FT232 or equivalent?
2016-11-02T00:30:10 < LeelooMinai> zyp: I knew I read it somehwere yesterday. It's in the Yiu guy book: "Defining SRAM or RAM space as non-executable (eXecute Never, XN) to prevent code injection attacks"
2016-11-02T00:30:19 < upgrdman> i need to make a tester that can easily test a board with an FT232 + USB port on it
2016-11-02T00:32:20 < decimad> okay, the current active interrupt register shows 3, which is a great hardfault
2016-11-02T00:32:42 < LeelooMinai> I read it in the context of RTOSes too. The nice usage for it is to define those protection regions according to task stacks, so tasks cannot overwrite other memory if the stack is overflown - kind of neat.
2016-11-02T00:33:04 < LeelooMinai> decimad: A, then you can find what fault it is in that SCB.
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2016-11-02T00:34:49 < LeelooMinai> Unless M7 is very different or something.
2016-11-02T00:38:55 < decimad> The problem is, when a hardfault occurs, I'd expect the hardfault handler to be called
2016-11-02T00:38:58 < decimad> but it is not
2016-11-02T00:39:15 < decimad> the whole exception stuff does not seem to work
2016-11-02T00:39:31 < LeelooMinai> Well, is it set in the vector table?
2016-11-02T00:41:14 < LeelooMinai> Should be in assembly startupe file (usually), looking like this: http://i.imgur.com/lJb8AjL.png
2016-11-02T00:41:41 < LeelooMinai> .s extension
2016-11-02T00:41:52 < decimad> no, I'm rolling this myself
2016-11-02T00:42:07 < LeelooMinai> Well, but you have some startup file, no?
2016-11-02T00:42:12 < decimad> address 0x08000000 shows the handler being set correctly
2016-11-02T00:42:48 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, usually those are at 0. Maybe it's M7 thing.
2016-11-02T00:43:00 < decimad> that's the flash base
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2016-11-02T00:43:18 < decimad> 0x0 may be anything depending on the boot pin and other stuff
2016-11-02T00:43:20 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but the vector table is at 0 unless you remap it
2016-11-02T00:43:43 < decimad> hrm, I'll have to check the registers involved in that
2016-11-02T00:44:20 < decimad> it worked well before, I switched to chibios 3 and also to cortex m7, the error may be everywhere now^^
2016-11-02T00:44:27 < LeelooMinai> It's in SCB as VTOR, but that's M4
2016-11-02T00:45:37 < decimad> VTOR is 0
2016-11-02T00:45:45 < decimad> now what maps into 0^^
2016-11-02T00:46:09 < decimad> i could maybe simply set it to 0x08000000
2016-11-02T00:46:21 < LeelooMinai> Well, if it's 0, then you should look at 0 for the vector handler addresses...
2016-11-02T00:46:40 < LeelooMinai> What are you doing with that 0x08... address:)
2016-11-02T00:47:33 < LeelooMinai> You should look at, hmm 3rd word starting from 0 I think.
2016-11-02T00:47:49 < decimad> 0x08000000 is just the physical base address of the flash
2016-11-02T00:48:00 < LeelooMinai> I think first one is for initial stack pointer, and then come IRQ vectors.
2016-11-02T00:48:05 < decimad> yes
2016-11-02T00:48:22 < LeelooMinai> decimad: Yes, but you want to find what the HardFault address is set to, no?
2016-11-02T00:48:36 < decimad> my vector table is at the start of the flash
2016-11-02T00:49:13 < LeelooMinai> Err...
2016-11-02T00:49:38 < LeelooMinai> I would stop the debugger and just look at 0+ range.
2016-11-02T00:50:08 < decimad> the 0+ range shows me crap, including pointers to the cpu registers, dunno how that is
2016-11-02T00:50:34 < LeelooMinai> Pointers to the CPU registers? That's... new:)
2016-11-02T00:50:41 < decimad> but yes, it shows the address where the hardfault went
2016-11-02T00:50:54 < decimad> that is eclipse magic
2016-11-02T00:51:03 < LeelooMinai> Well, I use Eclipse too:p
2016-11-02T00:52:05 < LeelooMinai> decimad, ok, anyways, now you should probably add some code that will give you more context when this happens.
2016-11-02T00:52:11 < decimad> well, in the memory browser view there are little arrows saying "r1" and the like, which point at some of the memory values
2016-11-02T00:52:29 < decimad> when I look at 0x0
2016-11-02T00:52:34 < LeelooMinai> decimad: I would add this: http://www.freertos.org/Debugging-Hard-Faults-On-Cortex-M-Microcontrollers.html
2016-11-02T00:52:50 < LeelooMinai> Then you will see the place where the actual falut was triggered.
2016-11-02T00:53:31 < LeelooMinai> Just this part: http://i.imgur.com/yBaS2cL.png
2016-11-02T00:53:40 < decimad> yes, I added that already, but it is not called, because I don't set up the vector table correctly. It is where it was before, at the start of the flash, but the flash is not mapped to 0x0... need to find out what changed
2016-11-02T00:53:57 < LeelooMinai> But why is your vector table not set up correctly...
2016-11-02T00:54:27 < LeelooMinai> I would start from figuring that one out - it's kind of crucial.
2016-11-02T00:54:45 < decimad> yeah, it is probably the only problem... flash is not at 0x0
2016-11-02T00:55:11 < LeelooMinai> Maybe you fubared the linker file?
2016-11-02T00:55:32 < decimad> well, the linker file correctly places it at 0x08000000
2016-11-02T00:55:55 < decimad> which is the physical start address of the flash, which SHOULD be mapped to 0x0, but is not
2016-11-02T00:59:37 < decimad> hrmm, i could copy the table to 0x0 by hand... the reference manual specified 0x0 to be the ITCM...  there seems to be no mapping anymore Oo
2016-11-02T01:02:35 < decimad> or I set the vector table offset
2016-11-02T01:03:03 < LeelooMinai> Maybe your boot config pin is wrong?
2016-11-02T01:04:39 < LeelooMinai> Maybe the boot pin is 1 and you boot from ram or something...
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2016-11-02T01:15:13 < LeelooMinai> So, I ended up with the "protothreads" paper on the screen and will read it soon. Any comments on that approach? Seems the paper is 10 yo, so not sure what happened since then.
2016-11-02T01:22:39 < decimad> okay, chibios thingy overwrites vtor with 0 on startup -.-
2016-11-02T01:23:33 < KreAture_Zzz> LeelooMinai I'm back
2016-11-02T01:24:04 < KreAture_Zzz> chip: 48LC8M8A2
2016-11-02T01:24:29 < KreAture_Zzz> from Micron
2016-11-02T01:24:54 < KreAture_Zzz> datasheet is from 2003
2016-11-02T01:24:58 < KreAture_Zzz> not too shabby
2016-11-02T01:25:21 < KreAture_Zzz> 54pin tsop with 0.8mm pitch
2016-11-02T01:25:30 < KreAture_Zzz> very nice for testing
2016-11-02T01:25:38 < KreAture_Zzz> and datasheet has full transaction diagrams
2016-11-02T01:25:59 < KreAture_Zzz> makes it so much easier to implement and verify vs the modern chips datasheet that simply refer to the standard
2016-11-02T01:26:27 < TheSeven> hm, DMA is trolling me again
2016-11-02T01:26:55 < decimad> bam, removing that vtor resetting in chibios made it work again, thank you LeelooMinai for sticking with me!
2016-11-02T01:28:17 < TheSeven> stm32f030f4p6 (yup, cheap little bastard), CNDTR counts down, but the memory stays all zero (reading from uart)
2016-11-02T01:28:39 < KreAture_Zzz> TheSeven I got a tray of 030's
2016-11-02T01:28:39 < TheSeven> I'm wondering if CMAR is supposed to increment / read the "end address" after the transfer
2016-11-02T01:28:41 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2016-11-02T01:29:08 < TheSeven> KreAture_Zzz: I ordered a couple tubes with 100 total 2 years ago for various little projects
2016-11-02T01:29:13 < KreAture_Zzz> what is the reload settings at ?  (assuming you wanna loop it?)
2016-11-02T01:29:13 < TheSeven> used about half of them by now
2016-11-02T01:29:34 < TheSeven> they can usually compete with an arduino, and are really cheap :)
2016-11-02T01:29:42 < TheSeven> sub-$1 ARM MCU board ;)
2016-11-02T01:29:46 < KreAture_Zzz> they kick the shit out of most arduino
2016-11-02T01:29:55 < KreAture_Zzz> and then pee on em as they lie there bleeding
2016-11-02T01:30:23 < TheSeven> pin count and flash are the most limiting factors
2016-11-02T01:30:46 < TheSeven> but in many cases just enough
2016-11-02T01:31:48 < KreAture_Zzz> yeh
2016-11-02T01:31:59 < KreAture_Zzz> problem is the alternative packages are less hobby friendly
2016-11-02T01:33:54 < KreAture_Zzz> http://www.ebay.com/itm/182169418538
2016-11-02T01:34:01 < KreAture_Zzz> These are nice when you just want the chip almost
2016-11-02T01:34:10 < KreAture_Zzz> quite diy board friendly
2016-11-02T01:34:12 < TheSeven> I have 3 chips that I use for almost everything, depending on the requirements: f030f4p6, f072c8t6, f205rbt6
2016-11-02T01:34:48 < TheSeven> I've made my own boards for those 3 chips which are basically the bare chip + power supply + footprints for things that I need often
2016-11-02T01:35:10 < TheSeven> e.g. a microsd socket, headers for some radio modules and an LCD, USB connector, ...
2016-11-02T01:35:25 < KreAture_Zzz> see the url?
2016-11-02T01:35:27 < TheSeven> doing a cheap f205 barebones ethernet board is on my todo list
2016-11-02T01:35:30 < KreAture_Zzz> not bad eh?
2016-11-02T01:36:38 < TheSeven> hm, what's that U1 chip?
2016-11-02T01:36:43 < Ecco> Given how widespread WiFi is, I can't really see the point of an ethernet port of such low-perf devices
2016-11-02T01:37:36 < decimad> ethernet is "reliable" ^^
2016-11-02T01:37:40 < KreAture_Zzz> eeprom
2016-11-02T01:39:46 < TheSeven> Ecco: ease of programming, performance (throughput and latency), reliability
2016-11-02T01:40:49 < TheSeven> I've done experiments with wifi for streaming a show to LED strips, and as soon as enough phones are in proximity to it, it breaks down
2016-11-02T01:41:15 < Ecco> ok :)
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2016-11-02T01:41:21 < TheSeven> ethernet is also cheap and fast
2016-11-02T01:41:43 < Ecco> Yeah, but no matter how much I personnaly like ethernet
2016-11-02T01:41:47 < Ecco> it's cumbersome to setup
2016-11-02T01:41:50 < TheSeven> BOM cost for ethernet support on stm32 is like $3, for full 100mbit/s RMII
2016-11-02T01:44:37 < TheSeven> so, wtf is going on here
2016-11-02T01:44:58 < TheSeven> what would cause CNDTR to count down, but all-zero in memory
2016-11-02T01:45:18 < decimad> okay, apart from these chibios difficulties, I moved from a china devkit board with stm32f4 to my own designed board with c7m and a ti phy, no code changes... great stuff
2016-11-02T01:45:31 < KreAture_Zzz> LeelooMinai http://www.datasheetspdf.com/datasheet/download.php?id=609311
2016-11-02T01:45:37 < KreAture_Zzz> LeelooMinai nice datasheet
2016-11-02T01:45:55 < Ecco> Do you guys have any favorite P-MOSFET?
2016-11-02T01:46:07 < TheSeven> AO3401 for small logic-level stuff
2016-11-02T01:46:33 < Ecco> Great, lemme look at its datasheet
2016-11-02T01:48:14 < TheSeven> WTF
2016-11-02T01:48:19 < TheSeven> found the problem
2016-11-02T01:48:31 < TheSeven> SRAM being powered down during sleep
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2016-11-02T01:58:16 < LeelooMinai> That would happen only with deepsleep, no?
2016-11-02T01:58:32 < zyp> deepsleep isn't very descriptive
2016-11-02T01:58:49 < LeelooMinai> lol, ... what?
2016-11-02T01:58:56 < zyp> there's multiple modes, and some parts have RCC stuff to configure what gets turned off in sleep and not too
2016-11-02T01:59:22 < LeelooMinai> zyp: It's as descriptive as it gets, considering it's what ARM calls it.
2016-11-02T01:59:49 < zyp> power to the SRAM isn't controlled by ARM IP
2016-11-02T02:01:30 < zyp> but yes, you're right, SRAM will never be turned off if the deepsleep bit isn't set
2016-11-02T02:01:30  * LeelooMinai looks at the channel name
2016-11-02T02:01:40 < LeelooMinai> O, right, we are on the ST channel:p
2016-11-02T02:02:07 < zyp> but it doesn't have to be turned off if it's set either
2016-11-02T02:02:12 < TheSeven> zyp: just a WFI instruction
2016-11-02T02:02:34 < TheSeven> but yes, there's an RCC bit to keep it awake
2016-11-02T02:02:38 < zyp> all sleep modes are entered through wfi or equivalent
2016-11-02T02:02:49 < LeelooMinai> zyp: My point was, if ram was turned off, he probably somehow turned the deepsleep on, so worth starting from there...
2016-11-02T02:02:54 < TheSeven> well I mean WFI without any special bits set, I guess that's stop mode
2016-11-02T02:03:15 < TheSeven> SRAMEN bit in AHBENR
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2016-11-02T02:04:47 < LeelooMinai> TheSeven: You would need to do something like that to enter stop mode on WFI/WFE: http://i.imgur.com/VoJt4O1.png
2016-11-02T02:05:13 < LeelooMinai> So, either you or whatever you are using there must have done that (first line at least)
2016-11-02T02:06:07 < TheSeven> nope
2016-11-02T02:06:14 < LeelooMinai> Stop mode is kind of radical - you can exit it only through some selected interrupts.
2016-11-02T02:06:30 < zyp> TheSeven, well, so how do you know SRAM is being turned off?
2016-11-02T02:06:36 < LeelooMinai> Well, you can always check this register with the debugger...
2016-11-02T02:06:46 < TheSeven> I probably meant sleep, not stop
2016-11-02T02:07:01 < TheSeven> I always mix those up - standby being the lowest power mode is confusing
2016-11-02T02:07:26 < TheSeven> zyp: no WFI => works
2016-11-02T02:07:29 < zyp> TheSeven, are you sure it's sleep related at all, not just some code messing up RCC_AHBENR?
2016-11-02T02:07:33 < TheSeven> zyp: or setting AHBENR.SRAMEN => works
2016-11-02T02:07:47 < LeelooMinai> I have that in sleep mode "SRAM clock can be gated on or off"
2016-11-02T02:07:58 < LeelooMinai> So it's not turned off, but clock can be stopped I guess.
2016-11-02T02:08:16 < TheSeven> AHBENR.SRAMEN means "keep SRAM on in sleep mode", unlike most other AHBENR bits
2016-11-02T02:08:19 < LeelooMinai> But content is preserved.
2016-11-02T02:08:33 < zyp> TheSeven, it does? which part is this
2016-11-02T02:08:38 < TheSeven> f030f4p6
2016-11-02T02:08:43 < zyp> oh, f0
2016-11-02T02:08:53 < ReadErr> https://youtu.be/o8yiYCHMAlM?t=916
2016-11-02T02:10:11 < LeelooMinai> I guess some people don't know that context is important:)
2016-11-02T02:10:55 < TheSeven> hmmm, the RX side works now, but the TX side loses bytes
2016-11-02T02:11:10 < TheSeven> I set up a 40 byte DMA transfer, and only 28 of them arrive at the other end
2016-11-02T02:12:48 < zyp> okay, so f030 got sleep, stop and standby, the latter two are deepsleep, SRAM interface can be turned off in all three modes
2016-11-02T02:13:13 < LeelooMinai> Ok, but there's a difference between turn off and stop the clock.
2016-11-02T02:14:09 < zyp> TheSeven, I didn't read the original problem, but I guess it's that DMA doesn't work while the CPU sleeps?
2016-11-02T02:14:15 < TheSeven> yup
2016-11-02T02:14:23 < TheSeven> SRAMEN bit fixed it
2016-11-02T02:14:24 < zyp> right, then it all makes sense
2016-11-02T02:14:30 < zyp> interesting problem
2016-11-02T02:14:44 < TheSeven> kinda funny that the DMA doesn't throw any errors, just silently drops the data
2016-11-02T02:15:05 < TheSeven> so apparently the SRAM being off doesn't cause bus errors or whatever
2016-11-02T02:15:21 < TheSeven> now I'm wondering why the STM32-to-PC side of that uart doesn't work
2016-11-02T02:15:27 < zyp> no other peripherals being off causes bus errors on register access either
2016-11-02T02:15:36 < zyp> unlike other MCUs
2016-11-02T02:15:39 < TheSeven> and I'm suspecting that it's actually my USB-serial adapter not being able to keep up
2016-11-02T02:15:54 < zyp> e.g. on LM4F, you'll get a bus fault if you try accessing unclocked AHB periphs
2016-11-02T02:16:11 < TheSeven> which would kinda make sense
2016-11-02T02:16:22 < TheSeven> dunno how many times I've chased down unclocked peripheral issues
2016-11-02T02:17:53 < zyp> LeelooMinai, that's arguing semantics
2016-11-02T02:18:12 < LeelooMinai> zyp: I was not arguing there - just wondering what was meant by that
2016-11-02T02:18:34 < TheSeven> hm, USB-serial loopback works
2016-11-02T02:18:39 < zyp> when talking about peripherals, it makes sense to talk about turning them on/off when talking about the clock gates
2016-11-02T02:19:09 < LeelooMinai> Ok, but it makes a lot of difference whether when they are turned on back you have the contents back or not:p
2016-11-02T02:19:39 < LeelooMinai> Kind of important with RAM
2016-11-02T02:20:19 < zyp> logical gates mainly draws power when they are switching, which means that turning off the clock to a digital block turns off most of its power consumption
2016-11-02T02:20:31  * LeelooMinai starts reading the paper about photothreads
2016-11-02T02:20:56 < LeelooMinai> But SRAM draws a lot of power just to keep the state, so, this is special case imo
2016-11-02T02:21:15 < LeelooMinai> proto...
2016-11-02T02:21:19 < zyp> does it really?
2016-11-02T02:21:20 < LeelooMinai> lol, photothreads
2016-11-02T02:21:21 < upgrdman> does SRAM require more power than SDRAM?
2016-11-02T02:21:36 < zyp> upgrdman, no
2016-11-02T02:21:42 < upgrdman> k
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2016-11-02T02:21:59 < zyp> the s in sram stands for static, memory doesn't need to be refreshed
2016-11-02T02:22:25 < zyp> whereas dynamic ram will lose content if it's not actively refreshed
2016-11-02T02:22:29 < LeelooMinai> Err... how do you think SRAM works - it uses a lot of power to not leak all the state off
2016-11-02T02:22:33 < upgrdman> zyp, ya i know that
2016-11-02T02:22:49 < zyp> LeelooMinai, like any other stateful gate?
2016-11-02T02:23:16 < LeelooMinai> That's a lot of gates in RAM...
2016-11-02T02:23:32 < KreAture_Zzz> sram does use power though as it is not a static charge, just a static state of current flow
2016-11-02T02:24:04 < upgrdman> reminds me, how does FRAM compare? is it just more expenive? or uses more energy?
2016-11-02T02:24:20 < zyp> FRAM is nonvolatile
2016-11-02T02:24:24 < upgrdman> yes
2016-11-02T02:24:29 < upgrdman> i use FRAM
2016-11-02T02:24:40 < upgrdman> like 8KB SPI chip. expensive as fuck tho, for 8KB
2016-11-02T02:25:05 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2016-11-02T02:25:24 < KreAture_Zzz> upgrdman I will be interfacing this chip ic I can: http://www.datasheetspdf.com/datasheet/download.php?id=609311
2016-11-02T02:25:43 < KreAture_Zzz> 8 Mbytes sdram I steal from old dimm
2016-11-02T02:25:53 < upgrdman> that link redir'd to the .com for me
2016-11-02T02:26:21 < KreAture_Zzz> hmz
2016-11-02T02:26:28 < KreAture_Zzz> http://www.datasheetspdf.com/datasheet/48LC8M8A2.html
2016-11-02T02:26:34 < upgrdman> wow. 4Mbit FRAM is $15. damn that's expensive
2016-11-02T02:26:34 < KreAture_Zzz> click to dl pdf
2016-11-02T02:27:59 < zyp> we had some FRAM on a work thing, I think it was used to store configuration and logs
2016-11-02T02:28:15 < TheSeven> the STM32 sends: 52 53 81 00 2F 8C 2F 00 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 1A 1B 1C 1D 1E 1F 20 21 22 23 24
2016-11-02T02:28:15 < TheSeven> the PC receives: 52 53 81 2F 8C 00 06 06 08 09 0B 0C 0E 0F 11 12 14 15 16 18 19 1B 1C 1E 1F 21 22 22
2016-11-02T02:28:15 < TheSeven> PC-to-STM32 works just fine. conclusions?
2016-11-02T02:28:33 < upgrdman> ya that's what im using FRAM for. config and statistics loggings
2016-11-02T02:29:02 < upgrdman> bbl
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2016-11-02T02:29:12 < zyp> when we ported it to STM32, we dropped the FRAM and logging was moved to backupram
2016-11-02T02:29:16 < zyp> supercap-backed
2016-11-02T02:29:25 < LeelooMinai> TheSeven: Conclusion: Sum Ting Wong
2016-11-02T02:29:41 < KreAture_Zzz> I'd need two 4mbit fram chips if I were to use em for my project
2016-11-02T02:29:42 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2016-11-02T02:30:02 < zyp> TheSeven, did you check the line with an LA to confirm everything is sent?
2016-11-02T02:30:13 < zyp> TheSeven, I'd start there if you suspect your usb adapter
2016-11-02T02:30:15  * TheSeven just uses SPI flash or even the STM32's program flash for config - sometimes SD cards for bulk storage
2016-11-02T02:30:35 < TheSeven> zyp: a quick check with a scope suggests that the STM32 is sending all 40 bytes
2016-11-02T02:30:57 < TheSeven> I haven't tried to actually decode anything, but the total activity time seems correct at least
2016-11-02T02:31:01 < zyp> what baudrate are you running?
2016-11-02T02:31:06 < TheSeven> 3Mbaud
2016-11-02T02:31:14 < zyp> haha, ok
2016-11-02T02:31:21 < TheSeven> a quick loopback test suggests that the USB-serial can handle it
2016-11-02T02:31:54 < TheSeven> or wait... maybe it inserts a gap in there, let me check
2016-11-02T02:32:07 < TheSeven> it's a CP2102
2016-11-02T02:32:17 < zyp> usb got flow control in both directions
2016-11-02T02:32:36 < zyp> if OUT is slowing down for some reason, it might go slow enough that IN can keep up
2016-11-02T02:33:13 < zyp> might be a race issue, combination of poll timing and buffer filling
2016-11-02T02:33:24 < TheSeven> I'm thinking about a buffer overflow in the CP2102 - and if its send buffer is equally small, it would probably just work for a loopback
2016-11-02T02:34:11 < zyp> presumably it should have at least a 64B buffer in each direction
2016-11-02T02:34:33 < zyp> IN buffer should be double, so that it can receive while waiting for host to poll
2016-11-02T02:34:47 < TheSeven> bwahahahaha
2016-11-02T02:36:02 < zyp> anyway, 3Mbaud is pretty fast, full utilization consumes a significant fraction of available bandwidth on USB FS
2016-11-02T02:36:31 < zyp> and combined with bad buffer filling strategy and no flow control on the uart side, it's no surprise you're losing data
2016-11-02T02:36:38 < TheSeven> http://i.imgur.com/N4oEFYy.jpg
2016-11-02T02:36:42 < TheSeven> CP2102 trollin me
2016-11-02T02:37:39 < zyp> adding cts/rts would probably help
2016-11-02T02:37:46 < LeelooMinai> You have oscilloscope on your smartwatch?
2016-11-02T02:37:52 < TheSeven> dso quad ;)
2016-11-02T02:37:55 < LeelooMinai> ...
2016-11-02T02:37:59 < TheSeven> the stm32-based scope :)
2016-11-02T02:38:12 < LeelooMinai> TheSeven: Shame on you:)
2016-11-02T02:38:25 < TheSeven> the reason why I'm using 3Mbaud in the first place is that I need ~2.6Mbaud actual throughput
2016-11-02T02:38:28 < TheSeven> so flow control won't help here
2016-11-02T02:38:37 < TheSeven> looks like I need a better USB-serial
2016-11-02T02:38:53 < zyp> how about fuck USB-serial and do native USB?
2016-11-02T02:39:06 < zyp> swap f030 for f072 or something
2016-11-02T02:39:24 < TheSeven> that would mean having to mess with that whole buffering crap myself ;)
2016-11-02T02:39:38 < zyp> where does the data come from?
2016-11-02T02:39:39 < TheSeven> and assembling another f072 board...
2016-11-02T02:39:54 < TheSeven> zyp: captured radio traffic via SPI
2016-11-02T02:40:43 < zyp> SPI traffic is a continous stream, not packetized?
2016-11-02T02:41:03 < TheSeven> it's packetized at 6MHz SPI clock
2016-11-02T02:41:26  * TheSeven grabs an arduino
2016-11-02T02:41:34 < zyp> I mean, doesn't matter much either way
2016-11-02T02:42:07 < zyp> if data is always arriving, buffer filling strategy is simple; fill until full (64B), then send
2016-11-02T02:42:39 < TheSeven> well, with USB I don't really have control about that, timing is mostly at the host's discretion
2016-11-02T02:42:54 < TheSeven> and I have to mess with libusb, or implement CDC-ACM on the STM32
2016-11-02T02:42:58 < zyp> USB-serial adapters can't do that, because after receiving one byte, they won't know when the next arrives
2016-11-02T02:43:11 < zyp> eh, that's not true
2016-11-02T02:43:46 < zyp> polling is at the host's discretion, but you don't worry about that at all, you just care whether your send buffer is empty or not
2016-11-02T02:43:51 < TheSeven> actually I have some working f072 CDC-ACM code somewhere, but I doubt it would do 3Mbit/s without a lot of cleanup and optimization
2016-11-02T02:44:18 < zyp> and IMO, dealing with libusb is a lot more comfortable than dealing with serial ports :)
2016-11-02T02:44:20 < TheSeven> for now I'll just abuse the arduino's FT232RL, that should be able to handle 3Mbaud
2016-11-02T02:44:31 < TheSeven> completely depends on the purpose...
2016-11-02T02:45:28 < zyp> well, you can't cat a /dev/ttyUSBsomething to read a text stream or whatever, I'll give you that
2016-11-02T02:46:06 < TheSeven> the final application here will use USB as well
2016-11-02T02:46:16 < TheSeven> but for this quickly hacked up diagnostics tool, nah
2016-11-02T02:46:19 < zyp> but a lot of protocols are packetized in some way, and using USB framing means you don't have to invent your own framing layer on top of a byte pipe
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2016-11-02T02:50:21 < TheSeven> hah, with the ft232 it just works
2016-11-02T02:51:46 < zyp> dongs is going to love hearing that cp2102 sucks compared to ft232
2016-11-02T02:51:57 < TheSeven> absolutely ;)
2016-11-02T02:52:59 < TheSeven> hah, I just managed to lock up an ST-link to the point where it needed a power cycle
2016-11-02T02:53:39 < zyp> that was a regular occurance back in the texane/stlink days
2016-11-02T02:59:39 < TheSeven> hah guess what, the uart pins aren't 5v tolerant
2016-11-02T02:59:43 < Laurenceb_> https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9835285&cid=53195493
2016-11-02T03:02:39 < TheSeven> looks like I might have actually fried the chip
2016-11-02T03:02:43 < TheSeven> never seen that happen before
2016-11-02T03:03:01 < TheSeven> SWD seems to be half-working
2016-11-02T03:03:30 < TheSeven> and I've seen these chip survive running on 5V VCC by accident!
2016-11-02T03:05:38 < TheSeven> https://paste.ee/r/n8cfI
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2016-11-02T03:29:22 < TheSeven> hm, swapped the chip, but it's still doing that
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2016-11-02T03:36:48 < TheSeven> WTF
2016-11-02T03:37:01 < decimad> I'm totally lost with chibios 3... I cannot find systick handling in all of the sources... not even the port defines a handler for this. Yet somehow "chSysTimerHandlerI" must be called. I can call it myself from a systick handler, but that fails miserably as well. I cannot find any documentation on which priority pendsv, svcall and systick must have...
2016-11-02T03:37:06 < TheSeven> this board was missing a jumper
2016-11-02T03:37:13 < TheSeven> i.e. no VDDa
2016-11-02T03:37:21 < TheSeven> how did that ever ork?
2016-11-02T03:37:23 < TheSeven> work*
2016-11-02T03:37:56 < LeelooMinai> decimad: Just a sec, let me see.
2016-11-02T03:39:03 < TheSeven> IIUC chibios doesn't use the systick timer
2016-11-02T03:39:15 < TheSeven> but uses some other peripheral timer as its "system tick"
2016-11-02T03:39:24 < TheSeven> that said, I have never done anything with chibios
2016-11-02T03:39:29 < LeelooMinai> From what I remember it wants one to use some timer that has more than 24 bits of systick
2016-11-02T03:39:45 < LeelooMinai> So probably TIM2 is the default choice.
2016-11-02T03:40:19 < decimad> 2.6.6 used the systick
2016-11-02T03:41:22 < decimad> and 24 bits are enough to get a millisecond tick, no?
2016-11-02T03:42:32 < decimad> (I deactivated the tickless kernel for the time being, because I wanted to play around with it only when the old stuff works again nicely)
2016-11-02T03:43:22 < decimad> But I can't find any documentation on how that tick is supposed to be provided by me, and nothing on priorities as well.
2016-11-02T03:43:33 < decimad> I mean, seriously
2016-11-02T03:43:51 < LeelooMinai> decimad: I had it defined like this: http://i.imgur.com/Cox8kWv.png
2016-11-02T03:44:05 < LeelooMinai> In mcuconf.h
2016-11-02T03:44:27 < LeelooMinai> So...
2016-11-02T03:44:36 < LeelooMinai> ... I think this stuff may be in hal
2016-11-02T03:44:53 < jadew> anything good today?
2016-11-02T03:46:33 < LeelooMinai> decimad: Ok, found where the interface for this is defined: http://i.imgur.com/yncEMcP.png
2016-11-02T03:47:44 < decimad> is that documented somewhere? Alarm sounds not like it is related to the scheduling to me
2016-11-02T03:48:17 < LeelooMinai> Right, I believe it is named like that, but let me see.
2016-11-02T03:48:31 < decimad> also I'm running completely without hal, and I'm not planning to adopt it
2016-11-02T03:48:54 < decimad> but if the code is in hal, I'd of course read it^^
2016-11-02T03:57:17 < LeelooMinai> decimad: Sorry, had to do something.
2016-11-02T03:57:36 < LeelooMinai> ctrl-h and search for this timer define
2016-11-02T03:57:57 < LeelooMinai> Ok, seems here it is: http://i.imgur.com/VT5NxbG.png
2016-11-02T03:58:14 < LeelooMinai> st_lld.c - the code for rtos tick is there
2016-11-02T03:58:56 < LeelooMinai> The first one I found was probably cirtual timer timer
2016-11-02T03:58:59 < LeelooMinai> virtual*
2016-11-02T03:59:04 < decimad> LeelooMinai: I manually set the systick exception priority to 8 (<<4 due to stm)
2016-11-02T04:00:03 < LeelooMinai> DOn't remember what it should be on Chibios, but for FreeRTOS they want the SVC and the other exception (forgot the name)...
2016-11-02T04:00:08 < decimad> LeelooMinai: That seems to have done the trick. Maybe the systick priority must not be "higher" than the svc or something
2016-11-02T04:00:12 < LeelooMinai> In any case, they want them to be the lowest priority
2016-11-02T04:01:13 < decimad> where my higher means that systick shall not preempt svc
2016-11-02T04:01:49 < LeelooMinai> No, I think svc should be the lowest priority,. so highest number on ARM
2016-11-02T04:02:31 < decimad> LeelooMinai: I had systick @ 0 and svc != 0 and it halted on me
2016-11-02T04:02:54 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: It is on FreeRTOS at least
2016-11-02T04:04:28 < decimad> LeelooMinai: Since I set the priority to 8 (svc was 2 to begin with), it runs stable now
2016-11-02T04:04:42 < decimad> the priority of systick to 8
2016-11-02T04:04:44 < LeelooMinai> decimad: When you write SysTick you mean ARM SysTick or RTOS system tick...?
2016-11-02T04:05:15 < LeelooMinai> Because for my setup this: #define STM32_ST_IRQ_PRIORITY  8
2016-11-02T04:05:22 < decimad> i mean arm SysTick, inside whose ISR I call the chSysTimerHandlerI function
2016-11-02T04:05:25 < LeelooMinai> Is for TIM2, which is RTOS tick
2016-11-02T04:05:53 < TheSeven> ...and this kind of thing is why I hate using HALs/OSes that I haven't written myself :P
2016-11-02T04:05:57 < LeelooMinai> Err, but how come you want to use SysTick for this - they recommend TIM2
2016-11-02T04:06:09 < TheSeven> just too much stuff involved of which you don't exactly know how it works (or is supposed to)
2016-11-02T04:06:16 < decimad> because SysTick is there, why waste a timer?
2016-11-02T04:06:16 < LeelooMinai> TheSeven: That's why I write my own too:/
2016-11-02T04:06:49 < decimad> I should really ask on the forum I guess
2016-11-02T04:07:02 < LeelooMinai> decimad: Well, I remember reading that the author suggested SysTick is not good enough.
2016-11-02T04:07:14 < TheSeven> http://www.chibios.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2280
2016-11-02T04:07:49 < TheSeven> "No periodic interrupt means that the system time cannot be implemented as a variable incremented by systick, a timer counter is used instead. the timer is required to have an upward counting register and a comparator register, most timers are able to do this, unfortunately the Cortex SysTick timer is not among them."
2016-11-02T04:07:55 < decimad> LeelooMinai: Yes, on tickless you could easily get intervals longer than SysTick can handle
2016-11-02T04:08:40 < LeelooMinai> decimad: I don't even see an option for using SysTick in the mcuconf, so maybe you embarked on a dangerous trip there? :)
2016-11-02T04:09:03 < decimad> LeelooMinai: I disabled tickless, so I guess it should be safe?
2016-11-02T04:09:46 < decimad> LeelooMinai: I mean, if it would be documented at least, but all that stuff is somehow black box style
2016-11-02T04:09:47 < zyp> I've said it before, but it's a shame the ARM core doesn't include an upcounting deadline timer
2016-11-02T04:10:21 < LeelooMinai> Well, it's a shame that id does note have super-os-friendly low power running timer for this.
2016-11-02T04:10:42 < LeelooMinai> It's not that complicated to implement...
2016-11-02T04:11:24 < LeelooMinai> decimad: But look at the source: http://i.imgur.com/Ubd6pPQ.png
2016-11-02T04:11:25 < zyp> of course not, there's plenty of timers in a typical chip you could use
2016-11-02T04:11:41 < LeelooMinai> All those messages "not a 32 bit timer" etc. are a red flag. I would not mess with SysTick there...
2016-11-02T04:11:49 < zyp> but they differ between chips
2016-11-02T04:12:34 < zyp> for an OS, having an ARM core timer dedicated to systime would be convenient, same code would work on anything
2016-11-02T04:12:41 < LeelooMinai> decimad: Do you need that TIM2 for something else?
2016-11-02T04:13:05 < LeelooMinai> Well, that's what the SysTick is for in theory, but somehow it's limited - weird.
2016-11-02T04:13:36 < decimad> LeelooMinai: I don't want chibios to hog peripherals through hal, if at all, I'd implement the timer stuff myself.
2016-11-02T04:13:37 < zyp> systick is for ticking, hence the name
2016-11-02T04:14:02 < decimad> But i'm running ticked, so SysTick is no problem!
2016-11-02T04:14:03 < LeelooMinai> Well, I read in ARM docs that it's meant for OSes etc.:/
2016-11-02T04:14:12 < LeelooMinai> Or in Yiu book maybe, same thing:)
2016-11-02T04:14:20 < TheSeven> its downcownting nature and missing prescaler makes it annoying to use as a system timebase though
2016-11-02T04:14:42 < LeelooMinai> It has prescaler I believe
2016-11-02T04:14:46 < LeelooMinai> But 1 or 8 only
2016-11-02T04:15:05 < TheSeven> I mean one that would at least get you to a power of 2 of ticks per microsecond
2016-11-02T04:15:15 < zyp> it doesn't have a prescaler, but it has two inputs
2016-11-02T04:15:20 < TheSeven> so that using it as a monotonic microsecond clock wouldn't require a division operation
2016-11-02T04:15:41 < LeelooMinai> It's all weird to me. They have monstrous space eating peripherals and other heavy stuff and could not get the system timer right:/
2016-11-02T04:15:59 < TheSeven> reading my systick-based microsecond timer on f072 costs me 3 microseconds!
2016-11-02T04:16:26 < TheSeven> LeelooMinai: systick is ARM, the space eating stuff is ST
2016-11-02T04:16:29 < zyp> LeelooMinai, which peripherals are you thinking of? I don't think any of the core periph can be called monstrous
2016-11-02T04:16:31 < LeelooMinai> Well, updating LPTIM runnin from RTC takes 200 us, so... 
2016-11-02T04:16:42 < zyp> well, FPU might, perhaps
2016-11-02T04:16:44 < LeelooMinai> TheSeven: Yes, I know, but still
2016-11-02T04:17:22 <@dongs> sup dongs
2016-11-02T04:17:24 < zyp> TheSeven, I'm just using systick itself as a prescaler for a millisecond timebase
2016-11-02T04:17:30 < TheSeven> what's faster on m0+ btw? 32bit division or 64bit multiplication + shift?
2016-11-02T04:17:32 < LeelooMinai> I meant that in the larger context they could at least make it condigurable. The ARM core ends up in huge complicated micros, where it would not matter if it was bigger.
2016-11-02T04:17:36 < zyp> i.e. increment a millisecond counter every tick
2016-11-02T04:18:03 <@dongs>  < TheSeven> for now I'll just abuse the arduino's FT232RL, that should be able to handle 3Mbaud
2016-11-02T04:18:07 <@dongs> lol dude.
2016-11-02T04:18:09 <@dongs> so can CP2102
2016-11-02T04:18:16 < TheSeven> dongs: obviously not
2016-11-02T04:18:25 < TheSeven> http://i.imgur.com/N4oEFYy.jpg
2016-11-02T04:18:34 < zyp> TheSeven, probably multiply+shift, there's no hardware divide
2016-11-02T04:18:40 <@dongs> try using a scope from this century
2016-11-02T04:18:45 < TheSeven> zyp: there's not hw 64bit multiply either
2016-11-02T04:18:48 <@dongs> no divide even on +?
2016-11-02T04:19:02 < LeelooMinai> decimad: BTW, Chibios is kind of nice, but expect digging through source code a lot...
2016-11-02T04:19:06 < zyp> TheSeven, 64-bit multiply is just four 32-bit multiplies chained
2016-11-02T04:19:32 < TheSeven> are 32bit multiplies single-cycle on m0+? or is there some hidden cost to that?
2016-11-02T04:19:49 < zyp> idk
2016-11-02T04:19:52 <@dongs> 5us/div is 200khz
2016-11-02T04:20:07 <@dongs> how do you expect to see accurate 3mhz+ signals with that?
2016-11-02T04:20:12 < zyp> either way, I wouldn't mess up my code for that until after profiling and determining it's too slow
2016-11-02T04:20:16 < TheSeven> dongs: you see the bytes there
2016-11-02T04:20:35 <@dongs> no, i see garbage with nearly not enough resolution to make a decision
2016-11-02T04:20:45 < LeelooMinai> TheSeven: Hardware option: http://i.imgur.com/D1D00k9.png
2016-11-02T04:20:48 < decimad> hrmmm, openocd over jlink doesn't seem to support the ITM
2016-11-02T04:20:49 <@dongs> but instead of talking shit im just ognna pull out my CP2102 and send some stuff at 3mbaud
2016-11-02T04:20:50 < zyp> write your actual application, measure which is faster
2016-11-02T04:21:10 < TheSeven> zyp: well, 3usec for timebase reading IS slow, especially if you use it to locate timing issues, and adding some profiling throws it all off
2016-11-02T04:21:18 <@dongs> zyp, is CCM on F4 executable? no right?
2016-11-02T04:21:22 <@dongs> 405 if that matterse
2016-11-02T04:21:28 < zyp> dongs, IIRC yes
2016-11-02T04:21:32 <@dongs> oh?
2016-11-02T04:21:34 <@dongs> mm
2016-11-02T04:22:17 < TheSeven> dongs: I don't expect you to decode the bytes. but you can clearly see the 2-byte-long gaps in between them
2016-11-02T04:23:00 < zyp> dongs, there were some benchmark once when F4 was new, tried a bunch of combinations of placing code and data here and there, I think they also measured code in CCM
2016-11-02T04:23:11 <@dongs> mkay
2016-11-02T04:23:11 < LeelooMinai> TheSeven: I don't know why you use that silly scope instead of LA btw...
2016-11-02T04:23:14 < zyp> I'll see if I can find it
2016-11-02T04:23:31 <@dongs> cuz with my crypto code, i get a hueg performance hit running from regular ram
2016-11-02T04:23:40 < LeelooMinai> TheSeven: Wouldn't you prefer it being decoded, etc.?
2016-11-02T04:23:53 <@dongs> i didnt check if they filled that shit full of flash>ram veneers or something, I just made entire crypto.c run from ram
2016-11-02T04:23:57 < TheSeven> LeelooMinai: well I see everything that I need there, and I feel like it's quicker to handle
2016-11-02T04:24:03 <@dongs> gonna try stick it in ccmand compare in a bit
2016-11-02T04:24:15 <@dongs> after i do this 300000 baud thing
2016-11-02T04:24:19 <@dongs> TheSeven: whtas hte eaxct rate
2016-11-02T04:24:22 <@dongs> 300,000 ? or wat
2016-11-02T04:24:29 < TheSeven> 3000000, yes
2016-11-02T04:25:02 <@dongs> need to actually find some pro windows soft that can use this
2016-11-02T04:25:19 <@dongs> hercules doesnt
2016-11-02T04:25:53  * TheSeven used pyserial
2016-11-02T04:25:57 <@dongs> lmao.
2016-11-02T04:26:58 < LeelooMinai> logoserial - the turtle paints the waveforms
2016-11-02T04:28:22 < decimad> LeelooMinai: It
2016-11-02T04:28:29 < decimad> slipped
2016-11-02T04:28:50 < decimad> it's especially hard because I want to avoid the lock-in-factor of using an os hal...
2016-11-02T04:29:57 < zyp> dongs, hmm, I can't find it
2016-11-02T04:30:10 <@dongs> right, ill be testing in a sec
2016-11-02T04:30:17 <@dongs> need to setup 7's dumb example
2016-11-02T04:30:19 < zyp> also, when I think about it, I suspect it might not work
2016-11-02T04:30:37 < zyp> since it was a thing that F3 got CCM that can be executed from
2016-11-02T04:30:39  * TheSeven also vaguely remembers that CCM was only connected to the data bus
2016-11-02T04:30:51 < zyp> yeah
2016-11-02T04:30:53 < LeelooMinai> decimad: I went Chibios -> FreeRTOS -> rage -> my own HAL + FreeRTOS -> depression -> now thinking about my own RTOS
2016-11-02T04:31:07 < zyp> I guess the benchmark I were thinking about had code in sram and data in ccm
2016-11-02T04:31:11 < LeelooMinai> In C++
2016-11-02T04:31:33 < TheSeven> LeelooMinai: I'm usually getting away without using an RTOS at all
2016-11-02T04:31:34 < decimad> LeelooMinai: I'm going my own hal + chibi^^
2016-11-02T04:31:41 < TheSeven> just clever management of interrupts
2016-11-02T04:32:33 < LeelooMinai> TheSeven: Right. The problem I have with it that it does not scale, and you have to kind of re-invent the wheel every time.
2016-11-02T04:32:38 < zyp> I went chibios -> my own thing with context switcher and everything, and then I've ended up not spawning extra threads after all
2016-11-02T04:33:01 < LeelooMinai> I am thinking about something similar to those event-driven alternatives now.
2016-11-02T04:33:17 < TheSeven> LeelooMinai: most of my applications are more or less realtime data streaming stuff, or simple tools that don't have much parallelism
2016-11-02T04:33:30 < LeelooMinai> Basically something that will avoid context-switching alltogether.
2016-11-02T04:33:30 < TheSeven> for heavily multitasked stuff it might be different
2016-11-02T04:34:08 < zyp> TheSeven, it's the same I find
2016-11-02T04:34:38 < zyp> state machines that's polled periodically in a loop is much easier to deal with than multithreading
2016-11-02T04:35:18 < TheSeven> heh, state machines bouncing back and forth between IRQ handlers, which are usually mutually exclusive on the same priority level
2016-11-02T04:35:33 < TheSeven> lock-free ring buffers for stuff that crosses priority levels
2016-11-02T04:35:43 < zyp> I don't tend to have a lot of IRQs either
2016-11-02T04:36:02 < TheSeven> and a background loop for asynchronous stuff
2016-11-02T04:36:12 < TheSeven> but that background loop most often is just a single WFI instruction ;)
2016-11-02T04:36:39 < zyp> hehe
2016-11-02T04:36:53 < zyp> reminds me of my thread scheduler
2016-11-02T04:36:56 < zyp> or lack of
2016-11-02T04:37:05  * TheSeven is currently going for IRQ-driven state machines + heavy use of DMA to squeeze the last bit of performance out of that f072
2016-11-02T04:37:23 < zyp> is it a f072 now? :p
2016-11-02T04:38:01 < TheSeven> there are 3 MCUs involved in that project right now: f030 (dumb sniffer tool), f072 (sensor node), f205 (controller node)
2016-11-02T04:38:14 < decimad> anybody knows if openocd can somehow use the ITM? It was quite handy to output diagnostics on the eclipse console
2016-11-02T04:38:20 < TheSeven> communicating on 2.4GHz with a TDMA protocol
2016-11-02T04:38:32 < TheSeven> so very tight timing requirements on everything radio related
2016-11-02T04:38:40 < TheSeven> 5 microseconds of tolerance in some places
2016-11-02T04:38:43 < LeelooMinai> decimad: It should be able to 
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2016-11-02T04:47:02 < LeelooMinai> I am pretty sure that yes
2016-11-02T04:47:15 < LeelooMinai> http://openocd.org/doc/html/Architecture-and-Core-Commands.html
2016-11-02T04:47:27 < LeelooMinai> 16.5.4 ARMv7-M specific commands
2016-11-02T04:48:26 < LeelooMinai> Through SWO. I did that with J-link and I think PaulFertser then said that openocd can do it too
2016-11-02T04:49:01 < LeelooMinai> You poke a byte or word into one of 16 channels and they pop up, that's all:)
2016-11-02T04:50:43 < LeelooMinai> Not very complicated it is... http://i.imgur.com/0IUy5PD.png
2016-11-02T04:53:05 < LeelooMinai> The Segger RTT is faster though - that's what I use mostly now
2016-11-02T04:53:45 < LeelooMinai> RIght, but that's about the ITM trace. That's basically instruction execution trace.
2016-11-02T04:54:14 < LeelooMinai> ETM*
2016-11-02T04:54:23 < LeelooMinai> Well, I guess this is about both.
2016-11-02T04:55:04 < LeelooMinai> Cannot get this to work with EDU though...
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2016-11-02T04:56:26  * LeelooMinai ponders what will be performance of an event queue and dispatch vs context switching.
2016-11-02T04:57:06 < LeelooMinai> I think if done right, it should not be slower - maybe even faster?
2016-11-02T04:57:50 < zyp> yes
2016-11-02T04:58:17 < decimad> throughput vs. jitter etc.pp
2016-11-02T04:58:38 < LeelooMinai> For dispatch one could do something evil even - like compile time construction of some binary tree to dispatch events.
2016-11-02T04:59:09 < LeelooMinai> constexpr here I come again...:)
2016-11-02T05:00:06 < decimad> another template+constexpr fellow :)
2016-11-02T05:00:36 < LeelooMinai> Templates for simple stuff - no metaprogramming for me. Too ugly.
2016-11-02T05:02:36 < decimad> I templated my network serialization code, so that I can put the packet definition in a template parameter list... the compiler is sweating on that, but it works nicely ;)
2016-11-02T05:02:50 <@dongs> i bet
2016-11-02T05:02:58 <@dongs> can anyone other than you read your code?
2016-11-02T05:03:14 < decimad> on which level?
2016-11-02T05:03:30 < decimad> the template code? or the code that is visible at the user level?
2016-11-02T05:04:56 < decimad> LeelooMinai: People here also didn't like the constexpr calculation of pll values^^
2016-11-02T05:05:23 < jadew> is there any advantage to simply having a serialize() method?
2016-11-02T05:06:01 < decimad> jadew: the first advantage is, you don't need the deserialize method
2016-11-02T05:06:14 < jadew> decimad, you don't need one with serialize() either
2016-11-02T05:06:25 < jadew> you can pass an archive object to it
2016-11-02T05:06:27 < decimad> jadew: the second one is, you don't need bitshifts
2016-11-02T05:06:39 < jadew> which can either be an output archive or an input archive
2016-11-02T05:06:41 < decimad> jadew: the third is, it watches out for unaligned reads/writes
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2016-11-02T05:07:32 <@dongs> ok time to tr ccm
2016-11-02T05:07:41 < LeelooMinai> Well, if people did not try different things with programming, we would be still using fortran:)
2016-11-02T05:07:43 <@dongs> or is that already decided not to work
2016-11-02T05:08:05 < LeelooMinai> Or cobol or what was there to scare people at night
2016-11-02T05:08:23 < jadew> decimad, can you put a quick example together when you feel like it?
2016-11-02T05:08:27 < LeelooMinai> "Mom! Mom! There is a Cobol under my bad!"
2016-11-02T05:08:31 < jadew> I'm curious what it looks like
2016-11-02T05:09:30 < decimad> jadew: https://github.com/decimad/netser/blob/master/tests/zipped.cpp
2016-11-02T05:10:39 < jadew> decimad, where should I look?
2016-11-02T05:10:59 < decimad> well, header_zipped for the mapping of a ptp header
2016-11-02T05:11:01 < decimad> f.e.
2016-11-02T05:12:07 < decimad> hrm?
2016-11-02T05:12:38 < decimad> PTP is a specified protocol
2016-11-02T05:13:37 < jadew> decimad, it's interesting, but it looks more verbose than say... ar & member_name;
2016-11-02T05:13:50 < decimad> i wanted to come to that...
2016-11-02T05:14:31 < decimad> but I wanted to note that I can't go in there defining any fields myself ;)
2016-11-02T05:14:49 < jadew> what do you mean?
2016-11-02T05:15:09 < decimad> well, if I added any field, I would not be talking ptp anymore ;)
2016-11-02T05:15:37 < jadew> what's PTP?
2016-11-02T05:15:40 < decimad> this netser stuff is basically for those protocols which try to save bytes by packing subbyte fiels and misalign stuff
2016-11-02T05:15:49 < decimad> ieee 1588, precision time protocol
2016-11-02T05:15:53 < jadew> got it
2016-11-02T05:16:06 < jadew> well, I assume you want this to be a generic thing that you can reuse
2016-11-02T05:16:25 < decimad> yeah, but I will maybe not bother if serialization is trivial
2016-11-02T05:18:26 < TheSeven> so, dongs, did you come to a conclusion on the cp2102 thing?
2016-11-02T05:21:42 < jadew> for serialization I have identified two scenarios and I found it's pointless to mix them
2016-11-02T05:21:56 < jadew> 1) data packing, like what you're doing for that protocol.
2016-11-02T05:22:04 < jadew> where you basically create a packet
2016-11-02T05:22:24 < jadew> and 2) general purpose archiving, for storing data usually.
2016-11-02T05:22:39 < decimad> yup, I see it the same way
2016-11-02T05:24:03 < jadew> ohsix, the two ways of serialization
2016-11-02T05:24:15 < jadew> they have to be done in different ways
2016-11-02T05:24:39 < jadew> if you try to treat them the same, so you make a library that handles both, you have a fail library
2016-11-02T05:26:44 < jadew> that looks unnecessarily complicated
2016-11-02T05:28:36 < jadew> that sucks when it happens hehe
2016-11-02T05:29:33 < TheSeven> ohsix: dongs claims CP2102 can do 3Mbaud
2016-11-02T05:29:44 < TheSeven> in my tests it loses RX data if you send it at that speed
2016-11-02T05:29:55 < TheSeven> and if the CP2102 sends something it looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/N4oEFYy.jpg
2016-11-02T05:30:17 < TheSeven> (the "bursts" are bytes, with like 20 bits worth of gap in between them)
2016-11-02T05:30:21 < jadew> ohsix, by archiving I meant data packing when saving a document
2016-11-02T05:30:37 < jadew> ah, cool
2016-11-02T05:30:42 < TheSeven> well it's specified for up to 1Mbaud, so I guess this is to be expected
2016-11-02T05:30:51 < TheSeven> it's just dongs claiming otherwise ;)
2016-11-02T05:31:20 < TheSeven> actually I'm surprised that it can handle sending/receiving individual bytes at that speed
2016-11-02T05:32:16 < TheSeven> well if I open the serial port at 3mbaud it doens't complain and actually uses that baud rate, it just can't handle continous traffic
2016-11-02T05:33:26 < TheSeven> it also can't be a USB buffering thing, it start losing bytes very early
2016-11-02T05:33:45 < TheSeven> the fourth RX byte gets lost already
2016-11-02T05:33:51 <@dongs> https://www.engadget.com/2016/10/31/apple-drops-its-iconic-startup-chime-from-the-new-macbook-pros/ bringing up all the real issues
2016-11-02T05:33:54 < jadew> TheSeven, what's the actual baudrate tho?
2016-11-02T05:33:58 < TheSeven> ohsix: yes, with normal windows cdc-acm drivers
2016-11-02T05:34:41 < TheSeven> jadew: it communicates at 3mbaud, just loses bytes
2016-11-02T05:35:10 < jadew> TheSeven, did you measure?
2016-11-02T05:35:32 < TheSeven> ohsix: I'm wondering if it's in fact a little MCU that just can't keep up emptying its UART's 1 byte receive register and dumping it into some internal buffer
2016-11-02T05:35:39 < jadew> because they normally round to some value that's closest to what they can generate with the clock they have
2016-11-02T05:35:49 < TheSeven> jadew: yes, and I can actually communicate with other 3mbaud devices, with some byte loss
2016-11-02T05:36:08 < TheSeven> ohsix: given that e.g. the MCP2200 is just a preprogrammed PIC, this might be something similar
2016-11-02T05:36:34 <@dongs> CP2102 doesnt use cdc-acm
2016-11-02T05:36:35 <@dongs> you fail once again
2016-11-02T05:36:40 < jadew> TheSeven, same device type? if not, you might be losing them due to error
2016-11-02T05:37:02 < jadew> at that speed, the other devices might not have time to resync
2016-11-02T05:37:37 < TheSeven> dongs: what does it use then?
2016-11-02T05:37:56 < jadew> isn't CDC-ACM for full-speed?
2016-11-02T05:38:19 < TheSeven> it's basically a USB standard device class for serial port stuff
2016-11-02T05:38:35 < TheSeven> i.e. standardized interface, no need for special drivers
2016-11-02T05:38:52 < jadew> yeah, but I was under the impression that it's limited to full speed USB
2016-11-02T05:39:55 <@dongs> TheSeven: its not, cp210x drivers are winusb
2016-11-02T05:40:00 <@dongs> not just inf
2016-11-02T05:42:47 < TheSeven> hm, I could have sworn that they are handled by the ACM driver on linux...
2016-11-02T05:42:55 < zyp> jadew, why would it be speed-dependant?
2016-11-02T05:43:11 < TheSeven> anyway, unlike PL2303 and similar crap they use something that actually works
2016-11-02T05:43:33 < jadew> zyp, don't know, I just assumed it is I guess
2016-11-02T05:43:52 < jadew> probably because I used that driver with bit-banged USB
2016-11-02T05:47:29 < TheSeven> i.e. garbage :P
2016-11-02T05:47:53 < TheSeven> it's incredibly hard to find a CP2102 based RS232 DB-9 connector adapter
2016-11-02T05:48:08 < TheSeven> almost all 3.3V TTL thingys out there use the CP2102, but nothing else
2016-11-02T05:48:42 < TheSeven> actual RS232 is almost always PL2303HX, CH340G or (the expensive ones) FT232RL
2016-11-02T05:49:02 < TheSeven> which is rather annoying, as those are the ones that you usually don't want to use
2016-11-02T05:49:18 < TheSeven> lots of driver trouble with FTDI and Prolific
2016-11-02T05:49:38 < TheSeven> mostly fine on linux (although I had PL2303 devices lock up there as well)
2016-11-02T05:49:49 < decimad> it's amazing for how long rs232 over usb survives
2016-11-02T05:50:05 < jadew> TheSeven, I think most PL ICs are fake
2016-11-02T05:50:09 < TheSeven> but on windows FTDI bricks the chips, and Prolific locks out every chip manufactured before a certain date on Win8+
2016-11-02T05:50:28 < jadew> I found fake ones in original cables from reputable companies
2016-11-02T05:50:42 < TheSeven> how do you tell that they are fake?
2016-11-02T05:51:00 < TheSeven> even prolific apparently doesn't have a software way to detect the fakes
2016-11-02T05:51:16 < TheSeven> so instead of doing that they just decided to lock out the authentic ones as well
2016-11-02T05:51:22 < jadew> I had an issue at one point and they blamed it on fakes
2016-11-02T05:51:48 < jadew> TheSeven, didn't know
2016-11-02T05:51:51 < jadew> *didn't know that
2016-11-02T05:52:34 < TheSeven> everything before a certain production date (and that was basically "a year ago" at the time when they started doing that) just refuses to work with their win8 or later drivers
2016-11-02T05:52:47 < TheSeven> one can hack around that with an old vista driver, but windows update will keep breaking it
2016-11-02T05:53:34 < TheSeven> we had to throw out literally dozens, if not hundreds, of USB-serial cables at our school because of that crap
2016-11-02T05:54:14 < TheSeven> so guess which company I definitely won't be doing any further business with...
2016-11-02T05:54:49 < TheSeven> because drivers on windows are a nightmare
2016-11-02T05:54:53 < TheSeven> especially for hobbyists
2016-11-02T05:55:11 < TheSeven> you have to pay quite a lot of money to get a stupid KMCS certificate to sign your drivers
2016-11-02T05:55:20 < TheSeven> it even took years until libusb finally got that
2016-11-02T05:56:05 < TheSeven> and while you might not need a kernel driver to talk to USB these days, I think you need one to emulate a serial port
2016-11-02T05:56:16 < decimad> why is there no company that hires employees for 0$ per hour and employees can pay the licenses for the company together?
2016-11-02T05:56:27 < TheSeven> so everyone just says fuck that and goes for CDC-ACM
2016-11-02T05:57:05 < decimad> like buying a usb vendor id that every employee can use, or a driver signing stuff 
2016-11-02T05:57:17 < TheSeven> USB vendor IDs are actually fairly cheap
2016-11-02T05:57:40 < TheSeven> used to be $2K, I think they have raised it to like 5K now
2016-11-02T05:58:19 < TheSeven> and almost every MCU manufacturer hands out USB PIDs to their customers for free
2016-11-02T05:58:58 < TheSeven> well you can't do much about that
2016-11-02T05:59:04 < decimad> I can ask ST for a usb pid?
2016-11-02T05:59:17 < TheSeven> decimad: yup, if you plan on using it with a USB-enabled ST MCU
2016-11-02T05:59:23 < TheSeven> I got a block of 8 or so
2016-11-02T05:59:37 < decimad> do they care if I'm only a hobbyist? :)
2016-11-02T05:59:51 < TheSeven> no idea, I did it for a (small) company back then
2016-11-02T06:00:09 < decimad> I paid two stm32f745, now they owe me!
2016-11-02T06:00:32 < decimad> too bad I use micro usb only for power :)
2016-11-02T06:01:46 < decimad> I think opening a pseudo company for the sole purpose of buying vendor paywall licenses would be a good thing.
2016-11-02T06:02:48 <@dongs> wat
2016-11-02T06:02:58 < TheSeven> so why does this radio chip not receive any data...
2016-11-02T06:03:44 < decimad> I propose making the license free!
2016-11-02T06:04:50 < decimad> okay, tomorrow I'll be setting up dp83640. Happy everything works now, thanks and good night, it's too late already -.-
2016-11-02T06:05:52 < decimad> why not 128bit UIDs
2016-11-02T06:06:37 < decimad> but that would be too easy :P
2016-11-02T06:08:50 <@dongs> http://mjtsai.com/blog/2016/10/27/new-macbook-pros-and-the-state-of-the-mac/
2016-11-02T06:11:28 < TheSeven> a proper concept of protocol IDs instead of VIDs/PIDs would be even better though
2016-11-02T06:11:36 < TheSeven> kinda duck typing for hardware
2016-11-02T06:12:28 < TheSeven> that said, a unique VID/PID would still be helpful to enable implementation-specific bug workarounds in some devices
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2016-11-02T06:46:29 <@dongs> holy fucking shit
2016-11-02T06:46:41 <@dongs> cyanoacrylate fumes are fucking awful
2016-11-02T06:47:05 <@dongs> i forgot i used tip of my 0.6mm solder to poke a hole in dried up CA stick
2016-11-02T06:47:30 <@dongs> touched with soldering iron kinda close to eyes
2016-11-02T06:47:34 <@dongs> instantly fucking raped
2016-11-02T06:48:50  * LeelooMinai looks how two people conversate even one of them is on the ignore of another and thinks it's a bit weird
2016-11-02T06:49:28 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: You don't? :p
2016-11-02T06:51:34 < LeelooMinai> Yes, well, ok, but this is one step further imo into insanity:)
2016-11-02T06:52:48 < LeelooMinai> "-- Hallo, can I talk to John? -- Sorry, he is not here:( -- That's ok, I can talk anyways" :)
2016-11-02T06:53:24 <+kakimir> https://youtu.be/XfVqr0EkLXA
2016-11-02T06:54:32 <+kakimir> good lulz
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2016-11-02T09:44:33 < upgrdman> damn it. every time i fire up windows in a VM theres like a billion updates to autoinstall
2016-11-02T09:48:22 < Thorn> MSFT keeps adding surveillance features
2016-11-02T09:49:10 < upgrdman> inorite
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2016-11-02T10:35:48 < upgrdman> gee, i wonder whats in the cup.  https://i.imgur.com/eGKZh7L.jpg
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2016-11-02T11:16:59 <@dongs> kim's piss?
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2016-11-02T12:02:20 < Ecco> Got an idea, which is probably stupid
2016-11-02T12:02:28 <@dongs> lets hear it
2016-11-02T12:02:36 < Ecco> I want to measure a single-cell LiPo voltage using an STM32
2016-11-02T12:02:46 < Ecco> Voltage is between 4.2 and 3.0V, otherwise LiPo is dead
2016-11-02T12:02:55 < Ecco> STM32 runs at, let's say 2.8V
2016-11-02T12:03:01 < Ecco> so I can't just feed it the Vbat
2016-11-02T12:03:11 < Ecco> how about chaining a few diodes to drop the voltage of the LiPo
2016-11-02T12:03:13 <@dongs> ADC doesn't even work below certain voltages
2016-11-02T12:03:28 <@dongs> do you have a dc/dc converter somewehre on teh board?
2016-11-02T12:03:30 < Ecco> because the range of the LiPo cell is 4.2-3.0 = 1.2V, far within the range of the ADC (2.8V - 0)
2016-11-02T12:03:43 < Ecco> yeah, an LDO to provide 2.8V to the STM32
2016-11-02T12:04:38 <@dongs> you should read datasheet to see if your chips ADC will work at these voltagesw.
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2016-11-02T12:06:46 < Ecco> why wouldn't it?
2016-11-02T12:08:49 < Ecco> I'm not sure my explanation was great
2016-11-02T12:09:00 < Ecco> to summarize : I want to measure a voltage between 4.2 and 3.0V
2016-11-02T12:09:04 < emeryth> Ecco: use a voltage divider, not diodes
2016-11-02T12:09:06 < Ecco> solution #1 : use a divider bridge
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2016-11-02T12:11:00 < Ecco> solution #2 : use a constant DC drop (1.4V)
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2016-11-02T12:11:07 < Ecco> using two diodes in series
2016-11-02T12:11:37 < Ecco> that would bring the 4.2V - 3.0V range back to 2.8V-1.6V
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2016-11-02T12:35:20 < jpa-> ohsix: ok (i must say i was pretty surprised by your email ;)
2016-11-02T12:36:27 <@dongs> o6 getting unignored? an unfortunate event
2016-11-02T12:38:02 <@dongs> jpa, would you be interested in veriblogging that crypto into some fpga (ice40 or something) for paypals if you're free/bored?
2016-11-02T12:38:30 <@dongs> i actually have that stuff implemented in verilog from years ago but I have no idea if its effficient/usable
2016-11-02T12:38:44 < jpa-> dongs: otherwise yes but looks like until february will be so busy for me that no chance to do that :/
2016-11-02T12:38:45 <@dongs> was made by some guy @ samsung when tehy first started doing japtv stuff
2016-11-02T12:39:08 <@dongs> feb? I will probably assburger around until then anyway :)
2016-11-02T12:39:37 < jpa-> ok, i'll ask you then if you are still needing it :P
2016-11-02T12:44:16 <@dongs> https://community.nitrous.io/posts/nitrous-service-shutdown-november-14th RIP, hopefully mbed is next
2016-11-02T12:46:24 < decimad> What was that good for?
2016-11-02T12:46:54 <@dongs> webtrash IDE Looks like
2016-11-02T12:47:02 <@dongs> ruby on fales/php/etc
2016-11-02T12:47:15 < decimad> PaulFertser: Thank you. I hoped to find a way to get a SWO console inside eclipse just like it used to be with j-link natively
2016-11-02T12:47:35 < Ecco> Guys, why is that "series of diode" a bad idea?
2016-11-02T12:47:45 < PaulFertser> decimad: I'm afraid that's problematic on windows...
2016-11-02T12:47:53 < Ecco> I mean it seems like a good on : cheap, very simple, and yields the best accuracy
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2016-11-02T12:47:59 < Ecco> *one
2016-11-02T12:48:14 <@dongs> Ecco the dumb dolphin: did you figure out if ADC works at 2.8V and below?
2016-11-02T12:48:17 < Ecco> (yet being a total newbie I know I can't have had a good idea)
2016-11-02T12:48:22 < PaulFertser> Ecco: probably the voltage drop is not too constant in this case?
2016-11-02T12:49:07 < decimad> what about the solution with a subtracting opamp :)
2016-11-02T12:49:09 < Ecco> dongs: I don't understand why it wouldnt. In my case (as in most I guess), Vref+ = VDD = 2.8V, Vref- = GND. My understanding is that the ADC *asks* for voltage between 2.8 and 0 V
2016-11-02T12:49:33 <@dongs> ecco, the ADC *peripheral* may not function at 2.8V.
2016-11-02T12:49:42 < decimad> PaulFertser: How does windows play into this?
2016-11-02T12:49:50 < Ecco> I don't get it
2016-11-02T12:49:58 <@dongs> for example, USB doesn't.
2016-11-02T12:50:23 < Ecco> huh?
2016-11-02T12:50:31 < PaulFertser> decimad: when designing swo capture feature I thought it's enough to write to a simple file. And then one can use named fifo to send data anywhere he or shee wants. But windows lacks named fifos.
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2016-11-02T12:51:36 < Ecco> I'm sorry dongs I don't get it
2016-11-02T12:51:39 <@dongs> Ecco: check ADC characteristics in datasheet and see what is the minimum supply for it.
2016-11-02T12:52:16 < Ecco> "VSSA, VDDA = 1.7 to 3.6 V: external analog power supplies for ADC, Reset blocks, RCs and PLL. VDDA and VSSA must be connected to VDD and VSS, respectively, with decoupling technique."
2016-11-02T12:52:25 <@dongs> wrong section
2016-11-02T12:52:34 < decimad> PaulFertser: Somehow j-link seems to do it through the gdb server it seems, right?
2016-11-02T12:52:55 < decimad> Or how does it interface with eclipse
2016-11-02T12:53:04 < emeryth> >ADC supply requirements: 2.4 V to 3.6 V
2016-11-02T12:53:06 < Ecco> "ADC supply requirements: 2.4 V to 3.6 V at full speed and down to 1.8 V at slower speed"
2016-11-02T12:53:21 <@dongs> ok.
2016-11-02T12:53:40 <@dongs> so what was the problem again? use a high-resistance voltage divider to drop the voltage.
2016-11-02T12:53:44 <@dongs> instead of.. diodes.
2016-11-02T12:53:46  * Ecco is relieved :)
2016-11-02T12:53:56 < Ecco> ok
2016-11-02T12:54:01 <@dongs> like 1M/whatever 900k or osmething
2016-11-02T12:54:03 < Ecco> high-resistance voltage divider has 2 issues
2016-11-02T12:54:08 <@dongs> to get it into 2.8..range.
2016-11-02T12:54:12 < decimad> oh no, it opens a port for it
2016-11-02T12:54:20 < PaulFertser> decimad: well, it's possible to route it via gdb but I didn't think it was necessary, I thought that writing to file is good enough for any purpose.
2016-11-02T12:54:23 < Ecco> High resistances = super high impedance, the ADC may not like it
2016-11-02T12:54:26 <@dongs> decimad: jlinkgdbserver just runs a gdbserver yea
2016-11-02T12:54:34 < Ecco> Lower resistances = current leak
2016-11-02T12:54:42 <@dongs> Ecco: it will, i've made design with 1M battery powered divider.
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2016-11-02T12:54:54 < Ecco> ok, good to know
2016-11-02T12:54:55 <@dongs> 1mohm is like picoamps
2016-11-02T12:55:02 < Ecco> It is indeed
2016-11-02T12:55:03 < decimad> my jlink debug settings show swo on a port different to the gdb server
2016-11-02T12:55:09 < Ecco> now another issue
2016-11-02T12:55:11 <@dongs> your battery will self-discharge faster than leakeage from that divider
2016-11-02T12:55:15 < Ecco> divider reduces the accuracy
2016-11-02T12:55:20 < decimad> whatever protocol runs on it, i don't know
2016-11-02T12:56:22 < Ecco> Because the input is not between 4.2 and 0 but between 4.2 and 3 it would theoretically work more accurately with a voltage offset
2016-11-02T12:56:36 <@dongs> lol.
2016-11-02T12:56:43 < Ecco> :-D
2016-11-02T12:56:51 < Ecco> Why not ? :)
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2016-11-02T13:06:32 < decimad> PaulFertser: Oh I'm seeing your segger forum correspondence from 2014 :)
2016-11-02T13:07:04 < PaulFertser> decimad: he then replied in private and provided a nice solution.
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2016-11-02T13:08:25 <@dongs> what was it?
2016-11-02T13:08:34 <@dongs> closed source solution to make jlink V8 work wiht M7?
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2016-11-02T13:09:00 < decimad> PaulFertser: Would you think it is possible to open a second tcp port in openocd and dump the swo output there, in addition to the file based stuff?
2016-11-02T13:09:20 < decimad> that's how jlink seems to do it
2016-11-02T13:10:32 < decimad> which would enable easy integration with the gnu arm eclipse I suppose
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2016-11-02T13:14:35 < PaulFertser> decimad: there already is a tcl rpc port, you can grab from there, convert/parse however you want and dump the result to stdout.
2016-11-02T13:19:28 < decimad> Every tool seems to use its own language... now I gotta learn tcl^^
2016-11-02T13:26:59 <@dongs> friends dont let friends learn tcl
2016-11-02T13:29:57 < PaulFertser> decimad: nope, you can reuse that C# library.
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2016-11-02T13:38:16 < decimad> then I only gotta learn C# :D
2016-11-02T13:38:24 < decimad> tcl seems easier :)
2016-11-02T13:38:48 <@dongs> c# 1.0 is very close to C.
2016-11-02T13:38:57 <@dongs> they added a bunch of faggot shit after .net 2.0 or wahtever
2016-11-02T13:39:35 < decimad> Hrm, wasn't C# java with c syntax or something? :)
2016-11-02T13:39:37 < PaulFertser> decimad: in fact you do not need to learn much tcl in order to enable SWO reporting over that Tcl API socket.
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2016-11-02T13:55:53 < decimad> PaulFertser: Are you talking about the tcl api port that seems to be running on port 5555? (http://openocd.org/doc/doxygen/html/serverdocs.html  and  http://www.mail-archive.com/openocd-development%40lists.berlios.de/msg00248.html) 
2016-11-02T13:58:32 < PaulFertser> decimad: http://openocd.org/doc/html/Tcl-Scripting-API.html#Tcl-Scripting-API
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2016-11-02T14:01:24 < decimad> PaulFertser: Oh cool, seems simple enough, thank you!
2016-11-02T14:02:52 < PaulFertser> decimad: you're interested in tcl_trace command there
2016-11-02T14:05:28 < Laurenceb_> Cymru/pol/
2016-11-02T14:05:28 < Laurenceb_> Mae edefyn cyffredinol newydd yng Nghymru a fwriedir ar gyfer y bobl fwyaf ym Mhrydain. Wedi'r cyfan, rydym yn Brits
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2016-11-02T14:10:14 < aandrew> R2COM: I've never been on mental meds
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2016-11-02T14:14:14 < aandrew> my wife sometimes tells me she thinks i'm on the spectrum but I doubt it
2016-11-02T14:14:45 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/f8327cdfd1c8df1ef4e8dfb5ea67e42d8730b3f2e91ac3691992048f75ab8ae0.png
2016-11-02T14:15:00 < aandrew> in a hotel restaurant, not clicking
2016-11-02T14:22:02 <@dongs> nothign specila
2016-11-02T14:22:05 <@dongs> just a dumb lawrenceb link
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2016-11-02T14:44:57 < Ecco> Any recommendation for an opamp? I'm looking for something very cheap and common
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2016-11-02T14:51:01 < Laurenceb_> 741
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2016-11-02T14:57:06 <@dongs> lm358
2016-11-02T14:57:36 <@dongs> or LMV384 or something
2016-11-02T14:57:43 <@dongs> 834
2016-11-02T14:58:05 < Ecco> great, thanks
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2016-11-02T15:14:41 < jadew> lm324 too
2016-11-02T15:16:18  * jadew works 2 hours/day as of yesterday\
2016-11-02T15:16:48 < jadew> it's pretty nice
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2016-11-02T15:35:45 < Ecco> ok thanks
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2016-11-02T15:36:54 < Tectu> due to kids?
2016-11-02T15:36:58 < Tectu> jadew ^
2016-11-02T15:37:16 < Ecco> hi Tectu :)
2016-11-02T15:38:13 < jadew> Tectu, no, I just decided to quit, but agreed to a part time arrangement to have some survival cash while I work on other stuff
2016-11-02T15:38:24 < Tectu> Hey Ecco :)
2016-11-02T15:38:35 < Tectu> jadew, sounds good!
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2016-11-02T15:49:40 < jadew> my plan is to get to the same state of mind I was in when I was in my teens
2016-11-02T15:51:26 < jadew> no deadlines, just ideas and the time to try them all
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2016-11-02T16:14:46 < ReadErr> <aandrew> my wife sometimes tells me she thinks i'm on the spectrum but I doubt it
2016-11-02T16:14:58 < ReadErr> your wife tells you that you are autistic ?
2016-11-02T16:18:57 < BrainDamage> RF
2016-11-02T16:20:16 < ReadErr> wat
2016-11-02T16:20:33 < BrainDamage> RF spectrum
2016-11-02T16:23:17 < jadew> modern physics suggests we all are :P
2016-11-02T16:25:08 < Thorn> but definitely not RF
2016-11-02T16:26:56 < jadew> not entirely, cuz we have components in the other fields too
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2016-11-02T16:30:50 < jadew> englishman, well, it might do something close
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2016-11-02T16:32:14 < Lux> ch340 does 3mbps
2016-11-02T16:32:29 < PaulFertser> ft2232h does 12
2016-11-02T16:32:30 < Lux> as a cheap but not so compact alternative
2016-11-02T16:32:54 < Lux> sure, but not for ~40c
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2016-11-02T16:41:12 < jadew> question is if it multiplies that or it just divides from it
2016-11-02T16:41:39 < jadew> if it doesn't multiply it, then you'll get 1.8 max
2016-11-02T16:42:02 < jadew> hmm, could you do uart at the same speed as the clock?
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2016-11-02T16:42:48 < jadew> I think not, mainly because you have to sample in the middle
2016-11-02T16:43:45 < jadew> englishman, they don't have to
2016-11-02T16:43:54 < jadew> as long as they stay in the allowed error
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2016-11-02T17:38:47 <+kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7K5qbSt3ug music times
2016-11-02T17:44:12 < jadew> kakimir, I AM POWER!
2016-11-02T17:46:06 < jadew> I'm listening to this (pretty good mix): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ViEQ1lL9k
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2016-11-02T18:01:07 < Kuroko> ugh, can't get the RTC to run
2016-11-02T18:01:30 < Kuroko> LSE is working (checked with MSO) and calibration ouput is working
2016-11-02T18:01:40 < Kuroko> but the RTC just won't tick
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2016-11-02T18:13:26 < PaulFertser> Is Espressif starting to rock with Jeroen Domburg?
2016-11-02T18:14:47 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=366_1478098123
2016-11-02T18:15:03 < Laurenceb> espressif wagon spotted
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2016-11-02T18:24:56 < frelon_> Hi! Could I get some help with optimization?
2016-11-02T18:26:04 < frelon_> I have this linear interpolation function : http://pastebin.com/9ZkXqJxR on an STM32F407, but it's too slow to execute. I would like to know if I could get it to go faster
2016-11-02T18:27:17 < frelon_> I already specified -mfloat-abi=hard to make use of the FPU
2016-11-02T18:27:20 < Laurenceb> sure you are using fpu?
2016-11-02T18:27:24 < Laurenceb> ok
2016-11-02T18:27:30 < Laurenceb> checked the asm output?
2016-11-02T18:27:43 < Ecco> is that C++?
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2016-11-02T18:27:54 < frelon_> nope, I'm not good with ASM... I'll try to check it on openSTM32
2016-11-02T18:27:58 < frelon_> no, it's C
2016-11-02T18:28:08 < Ecco> I've a hard time parsing float g_ADCValue(5) / 4096.0f;
2016-11-02T18:28:12 < Laurenceb> just look for fpu instructions
2016-11-02T18:28:23 < Ecco> does that mean float g_ADCValue = 5/4096.0f?
2016-11-02T18:28:40 < frelon_> FPU specific instruction? I'll check the programmer's guide
2016-11-02T18:29:21 < frelon_> Ecco : no sorry g_ADCValue(5) means that I'm reading the ADC value of my 5th channel, then normalize
2016-11-02T18:29:31 < frelon_> to get a 0.0 - 1.0 output
2016-11-02T18:29:50 < Ecco> ok
2016-11-02T18:30:18 < frelon_> Laurenceb : should I set optimization level to O-0 before deassembliing?
2016-11-02T18:30:21 < Ecco> frelon_: I assume you're building with -Os
2016-11-02T18:30:23 < Ecco> ok
2016-11-02T18:30:28 < frelon_> I am.
2016-11-02T18:30:35 < Ecco> and no
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2016-11-02T18:30:50 < Ecco> Also, how do you know it's too slow?
2016-11-02T18:30:53 < Ecco> Did you run a profile?
2016-11-02T18:31:17 < Laurenceb> how many hz do you run this function at?
2016-11-02T18:31:19 < frelon_> I did a basic LED toggle before and after this function called 1024 times (amongst others)
2016-11-02T18:31:51 < Laurenceb> if you can see the led flashing, something is wrong
2016-11-02T18:32:20 < frelon_> I call it 1024 times every 23ms
2016-11-02T18:32:27 < Thorn> you have a lot of int->float->int conversions
2016-11-02T18:32:33 < Laurenceb> what is processor speed?
2016-11-02T18:32:37 < frelon_> no then I'm probing with the osciloscope, sorry about the confusion
2016-11-02T18:32:44 < frelon_> 168Mhz for CPU
2016-11-02T18:32:49 < Laurenceb> sounds very wrong
2016-11-02T18:33:06 < Laurenceb> so almost 4k clocks for that function
2016-11-02T18:33:15 < Laurenceb> no way it should be that slow
2016-11-02T18:33:21 < frelon_> so to give you the whole thing, I have a I2S half transmit interrupt called every 1024 samples at 44100Hz
2016-11-02T18:33:29 < frelon_> (which makes it trigger every 23ms)
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2016-11-02T18:34:04 < frelon_> and then inside this interrupt, I run this function 1024 times, 1 for each sample
2016-11-02T18:34:48 < frelon_> the whole 1024 times this function plus a bit more costs 12ms approximately (my oscilloscope is very ols and it's difficult to measure this slow)
2016-11-02T18:35:43 < frelon_> which means that this function costs about 11us, ie 1.8k cycles
2016-11-02T18:35:45 < frelon_> Am I right?
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2016-11-02T18:36:37 < PaulFertser> frelon_: btw, you also need -mfpu=fpv4-sp-d16
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2016-11-02T18:37:07 < frelon_> PaulFertser : yes, I have that as well.
2016-11-02T18:37:35 < frelon_> Would it help to pastebin all my GCC options?
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2016-11-02T18:38:57 < PaulFertser> frelon_: would probably help to pastebin the disassembly for this function
2016-11-02T18:39:11 < PaulFertser> frelon_: objdump -S can show it.
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2016-11-02T18:40:45 < frelon_> objdump -S ? How can I use that? sorry I'm a beginner, I've been using OpenSTM32 with OpenOCD debugger for disassembly until now
2016-11-02T18:41:01 < frelon_> PaulFertser ^
2016-11-02T18:41:11 < PaulFertser> frelon_: arm-none-eabi-objdump -S /path/to/your.elf > listing.txt
2016-11-02T18:41:51 < frelon_> awesome! thanks! Then I have to understant the ASM to isolate my function right? I'll try it
2016-11-02T18:42:17 < PaulFertser> frelon_: no, you can just search the file for the relevant code by function name.
2016-11-02T18:42:35 < frelon_> ok I'll pastebin as soon as I have it
2016-11-02T18:42:40 < frelon_> thank you
2016-11-02T18:44:40 < PaulFertser> frelon_: btw, have you checked LUT1, LUT2 are float and not double arrays?
2016-11-02T18:45:02 < frelon_> actually they are int16_t
2016-11-02T18:45:20 < PaulFertser> Ok
2016-11-02T18:45:24 < frelon_> and I've made sure all my constant have an f at the end to avoid double upgrade
2016-11-02T18:45:52 < PaulFertser> So staring at the asm time
2016-11-02T18:46:22 < frelon_> yes! I just installed binutils-arm-none-eabi
2016-11-02T18:46:30 < frelon_> looking at the listing.txt
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2016-11-02T18:47:29 < frelon_> okay I'll pastebin linInterp
2016-11-02T18:54:12 < frelon_> sorry it took time
2016-11-02T18:54:25 < frelon_> it's weird because it's a bit "exploded"
2016-11-02T18:54:38 < frelon_> like different parts of the code mixed together
2016-11-02T18:56:05 < frelon_> here is the pastebin : http://pastebin.com/gaBPXTxU
2016-11-02T18:56:13 < frelon_> I hope it will make sense to you
2016-11-02T18:56:34 < frelon_> PaulFertser ^
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2016-11-02T19:00:24 < PaulFertser> frelon_: probably Laurenceb will take a look
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2016-11-02T19:01:03 < frelon_> Okay. I've tried to decypher it, it seems to use the FPU instructions already
2016-11-02T19:01:35 < Laurenceb> too lazy sorry
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2016-11-02T19:03:25 < PaulFertser> frelon_: btw, it's strange you do not mark it static if you want it inlined.
2016-11-02T19:03:43 < frelon_> It's okay. I'll try to do it myself. Thanks a lot for the help anyway. Any pointers on how to process?
2016-11-02T19:03:47 < PaulFertser> frelon_: yes, FPU instructions are used and no double promotions, everything seems proper.
2016-11-02T19:04:16 < PaulFertser> frelon_: probably it's something else taking time, have you verified it's this specific function taking that much time?
2016-11-02T19:04:32 < PaulFertser> frelon_: try to comment it out.
2016-11-02T19:04:41 < frelon_> I'll check again, measure it properly.
2016-11-02T19:05:50 < PaulFertser> frelon_: and make sure your core clock is as fast as you expect it.
2016-11-02T19:06:02 < frelon_> PaulFertser : static changes the scope of the function right? but my functions are already global...
2016-11-02T19:06:08 < frelon_> I will, thanks
2016-11-02T19:06:57 < PaulFertser> frelon_: all functions that you're not using from other C files must be marked static.
2016-11-02T19:07:16 < PaulFertser> frelon_: and inline functions can't be inlined from another file.
2016-11-02T19:08:00 < frelon_> ah so if I have functions in another file than my main.c and call them from the main.c they can't be inlined?
2016-11-02T19:11:41 < PaulFertser> frelon_: well, if you enable LTO probably they'll get inlined.
2016-11-02T19:12:41 < frelon_> PaulFertser : What is LTO? Optimization?
2016-11-02T19:12:46 < PaulFertser> frelon_: yes, link-time.
2016-11-02T19:13:43 < frelon_> PaulFertser : okay. So I will remove inlines when they shouldn't be, check my sysclock, remeasure everything
2016-11-02T19:13:50 < frelon_> thank you very much for your help
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2016-11-02T19:15:14 < PaulFertser> frelon_: happy debugging :)
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2016-11-02T19:37:43 < frelon_> okay now I'm really confused about something...
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2016-11-02T19:38:18 < frelon_> I have a buffer of 2048 samples, sent through I2S at 44100Hz
2016-11-02T19:38:53 < frelon_> that means that my HAL_I2S_TxCpltCallback should be triggered once every 2048 * 1/44100 = 46ms
2016-11-02T19:39:07 < frelon_> but it's only triggered every 23ms...
2016-11-02T19:40:04 < frelon_> is it a left/right thing? is it "half of the half of the buffer callback"?
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2016-11-02T19:44:59 < frelon_> Ah maybe I get it : 44100Hz in stereo I2S actually means that 2 samples are sent every 1/44100 s , which means that my samples are actually sent at 88200Hz
2016-11-02T19:45:13 < frelon_> Am I right?
2016-11-02T19:50:24 < Thorn> stereo means 2 channels 44.1kHz each
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2016-11-02T19:56:31 < frelon_> so that means each of my individual buffer samples (even for left and odd for right) are sent every 88200Hz, right?
2016-11-02T19:58:34 < gxti> yes...
2016-11-02T19:59:18 < frelon_> thanks!
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2016-11-02T20:24:36 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
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2016-11-02T20:29:41 <+kakimir> I want to bug my own computer
2016-11-02T20:34:07 < Steffanx> Try water.
2016-11-02T20:35:01 < Steffanx> nein.
2016-11-02T20:35:52 < Steffanx> That's more like it :)
2016-11-02T20:35:54 < Ultrasauce> pretty floppy
2016-11-02T20:35:57 < Steffanx> and shakey.
2016-11-02T20:36:11 < Ultrasauce> i am as flaccid as that table
2016-11-02T20:36:52 < Steffanx> note to self: get a dictionary when Ultrasauce is around :P
2016-11-02T20:37:26 < zyp> what, you don't know the word flaccid?
2016-11-02T20:37:51 < Steffanx> Nein.
2016-11-02T20:38:11 < zyp> haha
2016-11-02T20:38:59 < Steffanx> It's not a word i hear on a daily basis.
2016-11-02T20:39:22 < Ultrasauce> you're more of a turgid fellow, i get it
2016-11-02T20:40:10 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai http://kreature.org/projects/lidar/48lc8m8a2_breakout.jpg
2016-11-02T20:40:16 < Steffanx> Actually, google knows me. Just google those words and shows the definition of it :P
2016-11-02T20:40:26 < KreAture_> I stole a sdram chip from old dimm
2016-11-02T20:40:38 < KreAture_> but, I ran out of pins on my lovely stm32f103
2016-11-02T20:40:39 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-02T20:40:53 < KreAture_> Have some 407's somewhere so I will use that later
2016-11-02T20:41:04 < zyp> cute breakout
2016-11-02T20:41:17 < KreAture_> zyp didn't have a proper one so I had to hack together something
2016-11-02T20:41:41 < KreAture_> Inner ring is vdd, outer is vss :)
2016-11-02T20:42:12 < KreAture_> It was mostly to be able to do some simple tests
2016-11-02T20:42:14 < KreAture_> so far so good btw
2016-11-02T20:42:15 < Steffanx> but what kind of break out board is that?
2016-11-02T20:42:24 < Steffanx> or did you make it yourself?
2016-11-02T20:42:29 < KreAture_> They are called MiniMount and are pcb's with adhesive backing
2016-11-02T20:42:39 < KreAture_> I cut two up and stuck on a fiberglass board
2016-11-02T20:42:45 < zyp> I probably would just have deadbugged it
2016-11-02T20:43:02 < KreAture_> then added some minimount flexstrips which are adhesive backed polyamide with tinned copper strips on em
2016-11-02T20:43:17 < Steffanx> ooh, now i see it.. two of them.
2016-11-02T20:43:21 < KreAture_> yeah lol
2016-11-02T20:43:42 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/qHoay.JPG
2016-11-02T20:43:44 < zyp> how I roll
2016-11-02T20:43:50 < zyp> fewer pins though
2016-11-02T20:44:06 < KreAture_> I needed almost all pins here
2016-11-02T20:44:13 < Steffanx> so you are bitbanging sdram KreAture_?
2016-11-02T20:44:17 < KreAture_> yeah
2016-11-02T20:44:20 < KreAture_> just for kicks
2016-11-02T20:44:32 < KreAture_> just getting some experience
2016-11-02T20:44:53 < Steffanx> and then move to an fgpa to implement it there?
2016-11-02T20:44:56 < KreAture_> I have ordered 9mbit sram chips and some stm407 core boards though
2016-11-02T20:45:03 < KreAture_> nah
2016-11-02T20:45:10 < KreAture_> There will be a few intermediate steps
2016-11-02T20:45:25 < KreAture_> The idea is to see how flexible the algo can be using mcu, and how low the cost can be
2016-11-02T20:45:34 < Steffanx> oh, sram.. no sdram?
2016-11-02T20:45:53 < KreAture_> I am playing with sdram now but the 407 has a FSMC controller that can do sram
2016-11-02T20:46:14 < KreAture_> I'd need a 427 or 429 to use sdram on that as it has a FMC instead of FSMC
2016-11-02T20:46:15 < Steffanx> yeah, but that's no fun when you can bitbang it :)
2016-11-02T20:46:58 < Steffanx> For SDRAM that you just buy the f429 disco...
2016-11-02T20:46:59 < KreAture_> What I learned today was that due to the io sharing of the mcu the resources I need for good bitbang of the sdram collides with the io port I need for talking to the camera
2016-11-02T20:47:04 < KreAture_> so basically I run out of pins
2016-11-02T20:47:24 < KreAture_> the disco has too much shit on it
2016-11-02T20:47:35 < KreAture_> things I have to desolder of the board to use the pins for what i need
2016-11-02T20:47:42 < KreAture_> the core boards are much nicer
2016-11-02T20:47:56 < Steffanx> The F429 doesnt have that much.. 
2016-11-02T20:48:17 < KreAture_> http://www.waveshare.com/core429i.htm
2016-11-02T20:48:18 < KreAture_> core
2016-11-02T20:48:25 < Steffanx> Yeah, but then you sponsor dongs.
2016-11-02T20:49:16 < KreAture_> with the disco ?
2016-11-02T20:49:19 < KreAture_> he did the disco ?
2016-11-02T20:49:28 < KreAture_> The bastard, he took my project! hehe
2016-11-02T20:49:37 < KreAture_> I had a quote in to ST to do that one
2016-11-02T20:49:47 < Steffanx> Nah, dongs is heavily pro waveshare.
2016-11-02T20:50:08 < KreAture_> ahh then it's all good
2016-11-02T20:50:10 < zyp> that's just because they make decent shit
2016-11-02T20:50:40 < KreAture_> btw, I found the PB2 pin on the bluepill today
2016-11-02T20:50:56 < KreAture_> I needed it and it turned out it was the center pin in the boot header next to the reset button
2016-11-02T20:50:57 < KreAture_> LOL
2016-11-02T20:51:07 < KreAture_> I wondered why it wasn't broken out around the perimiter
2016-11-02T20:51:08 < Steffanx> You also bitbang the camera interface, or you dmci?
2016-11-02T20:51:15 < Steffanx> dcmi whatever it is.
2016-11-02T20:51:18 < KreAture_> it's actually spi
2016-11-02T20:51:27 < Steffanx> camera spi -_-
2016-11-02T20:51:35 < KreAture_> 50MHz
2016-11-02T20:51:45 < KreAture_> with readout buffer
2016-11-02T20:51:47 < KreAture_> quite nice
2016-11-02T20:52:22 < Laurenceb> bluepill lol
2016-11-02T20:52:32 < KreAture_> But for the cheaper cam I need the cam interface
2016-11-02T20:52:43 < KreAture_> Laurenceb I use a lot of the f103 boards
2016-11-02T20:52:54 < Laurenceb> I prefer redpill
2016-11-02T20:53:05 < KreAture_> never felt the need for the PB2 pin before though, but now I needed two full ports almost and then it mattered
2016-11-02T20:53:17 < KreAture_> I get the blue ones for $1.7
2016-11-02T20:53:30 < KreAture_> hard to compete with that
2016-11-02T20:54:00 < Steffanx> yeah, you cant even get just the f103 for that
2016-11-02T20:54:19 < KreAture_> lol yeah I know
2016-11-02T20:54:42 < KreAture_> The 407 will be good for camera interface
2016-11-02T20:55:51 < KreAture_> One thing I have not yet checked though is that fsmc and dcmi can coexist without getting pin conflicts on the chip I want to use
2016-11-02T20:55:56 < KreAture_> Bet they crash
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2016-11-02T20:56:21 < KreAture_> That's where the cubemx app is ok though
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2016-11-02T20:57:40 < Steffanx> Agreed.
2016-11-02T20:58:21 < KreAture_> I should have used the VGT but chose the VET instead
2016-11-02T20:58:25 < KreAture_> less pins
2016-11-02T20:58:29 < KreAture_> may bite me in the ass that choice
2016-11-02T20:58:52 < KreAture_> stm32f407vet6
2016-11-02T20:59:58 < zyp> wat? E/G is 512k vs 1M flash, they're both 100qfp
2016-11-02T21:00:44 < KreAture_> shit shit shit
2016-11-02T21:00:50 < KreAture_> I can't use the synchro!
2016-11-02T21:00:55 < KreAture_> for the cam interface
2016-11-02T21:01:00 < KreAture_> stupid stupid stupid
2016-11-02T21:01:11 < KreAture_> zyp sorry yes
2016-11-02T21:01:38 < KreAture_> I ment vet vs zet
2016-11-02T21:02:26 < KreAture_> anyway plan was to use the sram first and then later embed the sd in bitbang
2016-11-02T21:02:34 < KreAture_> see if I can actually get it down to a cheaper chip etc
2016-11-02T21:03:03 < KreAture_> problem is, I think I loose the dcmi when I loose fsmc as they both rely on high density choice
2016-11-02T21:03:10 < zyp> is this something you're planning to mass produce?
2016-11-02T21:05:29 < KreAture_> It may end up being produced using surplus stock sdram to get it very very cheap yes
2016-11-02T21:05:46 < Steffanx> for real.?
2016-11-02T21:06:04 < KreAture_> yup
2016-11-02T21:06:21 < Steffanx> Why would you? SDRAM aint that expensive right?
2016-11-02T21:06:28 < KreAture_> Not me that would mfg em though
2016-11-02T21:06:44 < KreAture_> they almost don't make normal sdram now
2016-11-02T21:06:46 < Steffanx> Yeah you can ask englishman to do that for you :)
2016-11-02T21:06:54 < KreAture_> and the stuff that is made is done as legacy and is expensive
2016-11-02T21:07:22 < KreAture_> You can get sdram chips that are surplus now down to under 20 cents
2016-11-02T21:07:30 < KreAture_> that is cheap
2016-11-02T21:07:52 < KreAture_> The question is how low I can get the mcu though
2016-11-02T21:08:03 < KreAture_> If I can get that to the $5 range then it should be good
2016-11-02T21:08:31 < KreAture_> sram that i need will cost minimum $3 and the chip to use it is $11
2016-11-02T21:08:35 < KreAture_> still not bad
2016-11-02T21:08:54 < KreAture_> but as I found out just now, the FSMC blocks the camera interface
2016-11-02T21:09:05 < KreAture_> you need 144 pin version to get something usefull tere
2016-11-02T21:10:11 < KreAture_> even though the chip has 70 pins free, it has shared the synch pins between the fsmc and the dcmi
2016-11-02T21:10:37 < aandrew> lol
2016-11-02T21:10:47 < KreAture_> PA4 and PB7 collides
2016-11-02T21:11:05 < KreAture_> actually it is only PB7
2016-11-02T21:11:29 < KreAture_> FSMC_NL
2016-11-02T21:11:40 < KreAture_> DCMI_VSYNC
2016-11-02T21:11:44 < KreAture_> thanks st
2016-11-02T21:13:10 < KreAture_> oh shit
2016-11-02T21:13:48 < KreAture_> turns out the remapping of DCMI_VSYNC to not collide with FSMC_NL is only possible on 176 pin devices
2016-11-02T21:13:53 < KreAture_> wtf
2016-11-02T21:14:10 < KreAture_> I may end up bitbanging SDRAM on this fucker anyways
2016-11-02T21:14:11 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-02T21:14:18 < KreAture_> or sram
2016-11-02T21:14:54 < KreAture_> There are no remapping options for FSMC_NL at all
2016-11-02T21:16:12 < Kuroko> I don't know if I'm mad or not
2016-11-02T21:16:21 < Kuroko> that I solved my problem with the RTC
2016-11-02T21:16:40 < aandrew> stop being so cheap
2016-11-02T21:16:48 < aandrew> just get an STM32F7 in BGA and be done with it :-)
2016-11-02T21:17:18 < Kuroko> why do I HAVE TO read the date if I just want the time?
2016-11-02T21:18:11 < Kuroko> I know it keeps the date until I read it to have it in sync with the time, but when I read the time for a second time, it should just discard the date
2016-11-02T21:19:38 < KreAture_> aandrew or stick a huge fpga in there
2016-11-02T21:19:40 < KreAture_> :)
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2016-11-02T21:24:06 < KreAture_> lqfp144 can actually do what I need as it can avoid the collision
2016-11-02T21:24:14 < KreAture_> but only by using a diff mode
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2016-11-02T21:31:14 < zyp> KreAture_, what's NL?
2016-11-02T21:31:30 < KreAture_> no idea but I think it relates to banked psram
2016-11-02T21:31:33 < KreAture_> which I do not need
2016-11-02T21:31:47 < KreAture_> somehow the non banked is not available in cubemx for the 100 pin devices
2016-11-02T21:31:49 < KreAture_> it is really weird
2016-11-02T21:32:28 < zyp> oh, it's latch enable
2016-11-02T21:32:37 < zyp> intended for NOR flash
2016-11-02T21:32:52 < zyp> so why do you obsess over it if you're not going to use it?
2016-11-02T21:33:20 < KreAture_> because cubemx can't do the config!
2016-11-02T21:33:24 < KreAture_> it's borked
2016-11-02T21:33:40 < zyp> haha, then fuck cubemx
2016-11-02T21:34:04 < KreAture_> The point is, it makes it appear that it cannot be done
2016-11-02T21:34:08 < KreAture_> but datasheet sais it is ok
2016-11-02T21:34:15 < KreAture_> so I weas confused for a few mins now
2016-11-02T21:34:19 < KreAture_> and piossed off
2016-11-02T21:36:34 < KreAture_> Hmm
2016-11-02T21:36:39 < KreAture_> my cubemx sais it is latest
2016-11-02T21:36:43 < KreAture_> but manual update check fails
2016-11-02T21:36:50 < KreAture_> turns out it is 4.5 and they released 4.17
2016-11-02T21:36:53 < KreAture_> sigh
2016-11-02T21:37:55 < zyp> I still like the old fashioned way
2016-11-02T21:38:40 < KreAture_> anyway, I found I can do some clever stuff with timers for the sdram bitbang
2016-11-02T21:38:59 < KreAture_> a timer is set up to generate the sdram clock
2016-11-02T21:39:53 < KreAture_> Then I set up a buffer with port data for the address/control port to do the control and at end of the control it ends up at clock in hibit nop
2016-11-02T21:40:51 < KreAture_> then a second dma is used to transfer the data while the first dma is set up with the control data to enable clock, chained to a second job (on the first dma) to end up in clock in hibit again
2016-11-02T21:41:24 < KreAture_> 'The fiddly bit is starting the two jobs but that is done by setting em to run off the same timer signal that generates the clock
2016-11-02T21:41:38 < KreAture_> and waiting for the clock to just strike before enabeling both in quick succession
2016-11-02T21:41:51 < KreAture_> looking at the logic analyser today it seems to work
2016-11-02T21:47:44 < KreAture_> ahh now I see updates I need
2016-11-02T21:47:56 < KreAture_> Maybe they fix the config issue :) They change the f4 package anyway
2016-11-02T22:00:12 < Steffanx> real ##stm32 news: https://twitter.com/nycjim/status/793410105161187328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
2016-11-02T22:02:10 < KreAture_> meh
2016-11-02T22:02:27 < KreAture_> you want the black death, or ebola ?
2016-11-02T22:02:37 < KreAture_> that's what the choice in us is between right now
2016-11-02T22:02:54 < KreAture_> you are screwed no matter what LOL
2016-11-02T22:06:00 < Steffanx> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwF6TP5W8AEFIiw.jpg:large Does apply to Laurenceb for sure.
2016-11-02T22:06:05 < Steffanx> </crap>
2016-11-02T22:06:51 < Steffanx> Is it that cold in Canada already?
2016-11-02T22:08:31 < KreAture_> zyp 4.17 is no better, it thinks it has to set up sram with only address bits ?
2016-11-02T22:08:42  * KreAture_ wonders if this muxed shit is to blame
2016-11-02T22:09:39 < zyp> haha
2016-11-02T22:10:40 <+kakimir> englishman: as if you had any power over Steffanx overlord
2016-11-02T22:11:20 < Fleck> ;p
2016-11-02T22:12:28 < kakimir> Steffanx: resurrect me.
2016-11-02T22:13:19 < kakimir> show your might
2016-11-02T22:14:49 < Steffanx> i dont have that, sorry.
2016-11-02T22:15:12 < jadew> there are some cool characters in unicode
2016-11-02T22:15:32 < jadew> 
2016-11-02T22:17:00 < jadew>  next to englishman's 
2016-11-02T22:17:36 < jadew> I wonder... 
2016-11-02T22:17:43 < kakimir> Steffanx: you need to go crazy sometimes
2016-11-02T22:17:52 < jadew> that's bigger than the rest (in the font I'm playing with right now)
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2016-11-02T22:18:07 < Steffanx> Cant get crazier.
2016-11-02T22:20:45 < jadew> englishman, weird, most fonts on windows seem to inherit the same standard characters and they just override some of them
2016-11-02T22:23:04 < jadew> does this show up? ☕
2016-11-02T22:23:40 < jadew> it's a colored coffee mug
2016-11-02T22:23:45 < aandrew> yep
2016-11-02T22:23:51 < jadew> hehe
2016-11-02T22:25:37 < upgrdman> so who started ##stm32?
2016-11-02T22:25:59 < aandrew> I did
2016-11-02T22:26:08 < aandrew> when I saw the STM8 I knew it was only a matter of time
2016-11-02T22:26:10 < jadew> there has to be command that tells you
2016-11-02T22:26:32 < jadew> Founder    : Steffanx, dekar
2016-11-02T22:26:36 < jadew> two founders?
2016-11-02T22:26:41 < jadew> how does that work?
2016-11-02T22:27:05 < jadew> ah
2016-11-02T22:27:40 < Steffanx> We are actually not the founders jadew
2016-11-02T22:28:01 < Steffanx> Some romanian guy is. But he made us fellow owners
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2016-11-02T22:28:40 < Steffanx> But that guy disappeared
2016-11-02T22:28:49 < Steffanx> Izua was his name.
2016-11-02T22:29:02 < jadew> hmm, I think I saw him around at some point
2016-11-02T22:29:15 < Steffanx> #avr maybe?
2016-11-02T22:29:16 < LeelooMinai> Steffanx: Disappeared you say...
2016-11-02T22:29:17 < jadew> when did he leave?
2016-11-02T22:29:24 < jadew> ah, possibly
2016-11-02T22:29:30 < LeelooMinai> ... or you "disappeared" him? :p
2016-11-02T22:30:07 < Steffanx> Long time ago.
2016-11-02T22:31:37 < LeelooMinai> It was when Steffanx was asking in #chemistry about HCl and things like that.
2016-11-02T22:33:49 < upgrdman> pro tip: HCl works *great* for removing hard water deposits on your shower tiles/doors/etc
2016-11-02T22:33:57 < upgrdman> like fucking magic, except for the smell
2016-11-02T22:34:09 < upgrdman> wipes that shit right off like a hot knife through buffer
2016-11-02T22:35:57 < jadew> I'll make sure to bring that up, next time someone is about to throw up
2016-11-02T22:36:43 < jadew> "mind throwing up in the shower?"
2016-11-02T22:48:18 < KreAture_> hey LeelooMinai 
2016-11-02T22:48:24 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai got a pic for you
2016-11-02T22:48:38 < LeelooMinai> (already afraid)
2016-11-02T22:48:41 < aandrew> I wonder if LeelooMinai's heart sinks everytime someone says that
2016-11-02T22:48:46 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai http://kreature.org/projects/lidar/48lc8m8a2_breakout.jpg
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2016-11-02T22:49:21 < LeelooMinai> KreAture_: lol, what's going on there... You had too much time? :p
2016-11-02T22:49:33 < KreAture_> I had nothing to do as i said so yes
2016-11-02T22:49:44 < Steffanx> Retired leeloominai ;)
2016-11-02T22:49:49 < KreAture_> that's a 8 Mbyte sdram chip from an old pc133 dim
2016-11-02T22:49:58 < KreAture_> Steffanx no just between large projects
2016-11-02T22:50:32 < KreAture_> works though
2016-11-02T22:50:33 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I wonder what those mice bites on the side of the ic are for...
2016-11-02T22:50:47 < KreAture_> they expose the chip carrier inside
2016-11-02T22:50:56 < LeelooMinai> For what?
2016-11-02T22:51:01 < KreAture_> production thingy
2016-11-02T22:51:15 < KreAture_> I think they grip the ic by them during trimming etc
2016-11-02T22:51:17 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, weird
2016-11-02T22:52:24 < KreAture_> anyway, it was a fun excersize and I did learn a few things
2016-11-02T22:52:25 < LeelooMinai> KreAture_: And what is that power distribution pcb underneath from? 
2016-11-02T22:52:37 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai it's a blank fiberglass board
2016-11-02T22:52:43 < KreAture_> I got tonns of such tools
2016-11-02T22:52:58 < LeelooMinai> Did you glue something on it or what - why are the traces different colors?
2016-11-02T22:53:10 < KreAture_> The copper traces on it is adhesive strips of polyamide with pretinned copper traces on
2016-11-02T22:53:26 < LeelooMinai> A, I see, ok
2016-11-02T22:53:35 < KreAture_> Inner trace is colored as it is covered in polyamide to insulate so the vdd can cross it
2016-11-02T22:53:53 < KreAture_> Inner ring vss, outer vdd
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2016-11-02T22:54:04 < KreAture_> tidys upp wiring and saves some time
2016-11-02T22:54:09 < LeelooMinai> Interesting technique, but not very time effective I guess:) I would just order small pcb from oshpark and in the meantime do something else:)
2016-11-02T22:54:27 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai drawing the pcb takes as much time
2016-11-02T22:54:31 < KreAture_> I did this in 35 minutes
2016-11-02T22:54:44 < KreAture_> I've done it before :p
2016-11-02T22:54:47 < KreAture_> (helps)
2016-11-02T22:55:10 < KreAture_> The angelhair is 0.1mm enamelwire as I ran out of 0.15
2016-11-02T22:55:22 < LeelooMinai> Right, ok... I guess I prefer avoiding manual work like that.
2016-11-02T22:55:33 < KreAture_> I enjoyed it
2016-11-02T22:55:36 < KreAture_> nice and relaxing
2016-11-02T22:55:55 < KreAture_> I use a stereo microscope though, and wrist-rests
2016-11-02T22:56:07 < LeelooMinai> KreAture_: I can do this kind of work too btw:) https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/18250519673
2016-11-02T22:56:21 < LeelooMinai> 0.4mm BGA:p
2016-11-02T22:56:21 < KreAture_> hehe deadbug
2016-11-02T22:56:35 < KreAture_> and yes 0.4mm bga are pita
2016-11-02T22:56:56 < LeelooMinai> I have stereo microscope too - love it: one of my favourite tools
2016-11-02T22:57:04 < KreAture_> I got 3
2016-11-02T22:57:05 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-11-02T22:57:14 < LeelooMinai> What do you need 3 for? :)
2016-11-02T22:57:15 < KreAture_> 1 is a carl seiz with normal stereo
2016-11-02T22:57:51 < KreAture_> another is a opti-something with a x/y microtable so you can adjust the position in fine increments, it also has a flying probe you can control in same way
2016-11-02T22:58:04 < LeelooMinai> Pff...
2016-11-02T22:58:20 < KreAture_> third is a long arm trinocular so I can have the digicam on it at all times while looking in stereo. I use that for documentation
2016-11-02T22:58:29 < LeelooMinai> WHre on earth did you get those from? Must cost a fortune...
2016-11-02T22:58:48 < KreAture_> Two of em are legacy as the company has been around for a stoneage
2016-11-02T22:58:59 < KreAture_> the flying arm trinocular is my addition after a year of nagging
2016-11-02T22:59:22 < KreAture_> taking pics for documenting production flaws and such used to take ages
2016-11-02T22:59:26 < KreAture_> now we do it in minutes
2016-11-02T22:59:29 < LeelooMinai> What do you mean nagging... You told them to make that or what?
2016-11-02T22:59:31 < KreAture_> was so worth it
2016-11-02T22:59:44 < KreAture_> I begged for the budget to order one
2016-11-02T22:59:46 < KreAture_> :)
2016-11-02T22:59:50 < LeelooMinai> Or you told your company to buy it?
2016-11-02T22:59:54 < LeelooMinai> O, right
2016-11-02T23:00:16 < LeelooMinai> Well, if you have tools like that, I can see why you don't mind making weird contraptions
2016-11-02T23:00:27 < KreAture_> Then I needed a more stable table to mount it on, as the long boom type arm makes it sway easily, so more money :)
2016-11-02T23:00:32 < KreAture_> result is good though
2016-11-02T23:01:11 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai I also have under/over heat rework station to do stuff like remove any single selected chip from a board, like that sdram chip
2016-11-02T23:01:17 < KreAture_> I picked that off a module of 8 chips
2016-11-02T23:01:29 < KreAture_> no wait, there was 8 on back too, 16 chips
2016-11-02T23:01:37 < LeelooMinai> KreAture_: I ran an aluminum tube across my bench and use it to stabilize the microscope too: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/19011304536
2016-11-02T23:01:59 < KreAture_> nice amscope
2016-11-02T23:02:17 < KreAture_> not the greatest dof but they get the job done
2016-11-02T23:02:35 < KreAture_> and at the prices they offer I am amazed
2016-11-02T23:02:37 < KreAture_> :)
2016-11-02T23:02:37 < LeelooMinai> I got it for like $250 - I don't have any problems with it - has zoom, boom arm, etc.
2016-11-02T23:03:10 < LeelooMinai> I am also thinking about getting a biological microscope.
2016-11-02T23:03:11 < KreAture_> My cam is in the ultra low pricerange for proper stuff, it was $2.5k
2016-11-02T23:03:19 < KreAture_> then the boom arm in addition
2016-11-02T23:03:27 < KreAture_> and a few hundred for the cam 
2016-11-02T23:03:31 < LeelooMinai> lol, yes, maybe if I win lotto
2016-11-02T23:03:46 < LeelooMinai> But I don't play, so just no
2016-11-02T23:04:32 < LeelooMinai> KreAture_: What do you use for soldering iron?
2016-11-02T23:04:56 < KreAture_> have a few weller stations
2016-11-02T23:05:05 < KreAture_> you know, the type with the micro tweezers
2016-11-02T23:05:17 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1wGsxKVXXXXbqXFXXq6xXFXXXp/Articulating-font-b-Arm-b-font-font-b-Microscope-b-font-AmScope-Supplies-7X-45X-Trinocular.jpg
2016-11-02T23:05:31 < LeelooMinai> That's a long arm...
2016-11-02T23:05:31 < KreAture_> The scope looks an awfull lot like this, but with a much heavier arm
2016-11-02T23:05:50 < KreAture_> The arm I got uses a 4" wide 1" thick C-clamp
2016-11-02T23:05:56 < KreAture_> so the table had to be reinforced
2016-11-02T23:06:12 < KreAture_> The actual joint between table and arm was where it swayed
2016-11-02T23:06:28 < KreAture_> arm weighs in at 60lbs
2016-11-02T23:06:30 < KreAture_> LOL
2016-11-02T23:06:51 < KreAture_> The one in pic I would guess is a 20lb one
2016-11-02T23:06:52 < LeelooMinai> Ok, that's a bit extreme... Couldn't you have it attached to the back and have smaller arm?
2016-11-02T23:07:18 < KreAture_> I could but the largest pcb's we need to fly over is inside enclosures which again make em even wider
2016-11-02T23:07:41 < KreAture_> We get a reach of 3ft max I think
2016-11-02T23:07:47 < upgrdman> that scope looks like it would wobble if you breath on it
2016-11-02T23:07:48 < KreAture_> so it's not as excessive as that pic
2016-11-02T23:07:53 < KreAture_> it would LOL
2016-11-02T23:08:00 < KreAture_> and so would mine before we reinforced table
2016-11-02T23:08:11 < decimad> Hrmm, the new 10.1 segger thing will have high speed... but I doubt I'll really need 40 mb/s... so really wait for it? -.-
2016-11-02T23:08:26 < LeelooMinai> decimad: What "thing"?
2016-11-02T23:08:30 < decimad> jlink
2016-11-02T23:08:40 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai anyway, I have been playing around with the sram config on the cubemx and it has to be broken
2016-11-02T23:08:49 < LeelooMinai> decimad: Er, link? (sic.)
2016-11-02T23:09:04 < decimad> http://forum.segger.com/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=3639
2016-11-02T23:09:40 < LeelooMinai> KreAture_: I guess when you get it working, you may adapt it to other ICs more or less efortlessly.
2016-11-02T23:10:42 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai I will be making a intermediate step version sooner though, already ordered sram chips as I mentioned
2016-11-02T23:10:53 < LeelooMinai> The buggers... They add ETM after I bought  9.4:/
2016-11-02T23:11:07 < KreAture_> I was a bit surprised however when I set up the 407 today with sram in cubemx and it said it couldn't do it
2016-11-02T23:11:13 < KreAture_> I got boards that do it ffs!
2016-11-02T23:11:56 < LeelooMinai> What do you mean "it said it couldn't do it"?
2016-11-02T23:12:35 < KreAture_> try starting up cubemx and selecting the typical f407 100 pin and you get to enable PSRAM
2016-11-02T23:12:37 < KreAture_> I mean wtf
2016-11-02T23:12:49 < KreAture_> normal sram requires less pins than paged though?
2016-11-02T23:12:57 < KreAture_> and it refuses to let you configure data bits!
2016-11-02T23:13:04 < KreAture_> just weird
2016-11-02T23:13:08 < Steffanx> Same happens to 446, lqfp100 only does psram, nor flash etc.
2016-11-02T23:13:36 < KreAture_> Steffanx but psram is 4 bank paged sram and needs more pins, so a normal one would work fine
2016-11-02T23:13:50 < KreAture_> chibios has a guide even with code for setting it up and using it
2016-11-02T23:14:04 < KreAture_> it just doesn't work in cubemx
2016-11-02T23:14:31 < KreAture_> even following the steps in stm's appnote for sram seems to be correct
2016-11-02T23:14:38 < KreAture_> but does not give same config as in cubemx
2016-11-02T23:14:53 < LeelooMinai> KreAture_: Where is that PSRAM option?
2016-11-02T23:14:59 < decimad> LeelooMinai: Hrm? Isn't it supported for 9.x?
2016-11-02T23:15:02 < KreAture_> under fsmc
2016-11-02T23:15:26 < KreAture_> ONLY memory type I can select there is muxed nor flash and muxed psram
2016-11-02T23:15:33 < LeelooMinai> decimad: https://wiki.segger.com/Software_and_Hardware_Features_Overview <- seems 10 will have M7 and ETM
2016-11-02T23:15:42 < KreAture_> which is weird as before cubemx update I had other choices
2016-11-02T23:15:51 < Steffanx> That's what i meant KreAture_. The same thing happens when you select for example the f446.
2016-11-02T23:15:52 < LeelooMinai> decimad: O, wait...
2016-11-02T23:16:04 < KreAture_> Steffanx weird must be bug
2016-11-02T23:16:16 < LeelooMinai> decimad: Maybe not - so I guess just M7. Weird how they need new hardware for that (?) Don't really get it.
2016-11-02T23:16:56 < decimad> LeelooMinai: Hrm? Cortex-M7 is stated to be supported with 9.x as well?
2016-11-02T23:17:21 < decimad> I think I read somewhere they were running out of flash memory on the jlink 8.x in the end
2016-11-02T23:17:21 < LeelooMinai> Not int that table.
2016-11-02T23:17:57 < LeelooMinai> E, I am blind today - nm
2016-11-02T23:18:49 < LeelooMinai> I mixed the columns up. I don't see the diff between 9 and 10 then.
2016-11-02T23:19:14 < LeelooMinai> So only speed?
2016-11-02T23:20:31 < decimad> Yeah, seemingly... But I think it was already quick enough for me, latency being a bigger problem
2016-11-02T23:21:23 < decimad> loading up ~100kb is not exactly demanding :D
2016-11-02T23:23:00 < LeelooMinai> Right, so I don't have obsess of getting the new one - good:)
2016-11-02T23:24:52 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, seems http://www.microscopenet.com/ is located in my city 
2016-11-02T23:25:14 < LeelooMinai> That's convenient
2016-11-02T23:26:13 < KreAture_> Steffanx looking in the lib for the right device there is a sram type but that is impossible to select in cubeMX
2016-11-02T23:26:15 < KreAture_> odd
2016-11-02T23:29:23 < KreAture_> englishman yeah 
2016-11-02T23:29:32 < LeelooMinai> What do you mean useless - seems normal to me... You put stuff into the basket and buy it?
2016-11-02T23:30:47 < LeelooMinai> That's not what I see... http://i.imgur.com/X1Rxqsh.png
2016-11-02T23:31:06 < LeelooMinai> I did - it was filtered.
2016-11-02T23:31:30 < LeelooMinai> I mean in eyepices there are eyepieces, etc.
2016-11-02T23:32:20 < LeelooMinai> They have a lot of stuff 
2016-11-02T23:32:33 < LeelooMinai> And not bad prices for Canada
2016-11-02T23:32:43 < Steffanx> Sadly it doesnt look easy to hack it in yourself, be editing the xml files KreAture_
2016-11-02T23:34:02 < KreAture_> Steffanx I say eff it and just write it manually
2016-11-02T23:34:13 < KreAture_>     fsmcInit.FSMC_MemoryType = FSMC_MemoryType_SRAM;
2016-11-02T23:34:14 < KreAture_> :p
2016-11-02T23:34:14 < Steffanx> how does it feel KreAture_?
2016-11-02T23:34:16 < Steffanx> :)
2016-11-02T23:34:27 < KreAture_> Like I have been shafted by st once again
2016-11-02T23:34:29 < Steffanx> *kakimir
2016-11-02T23:34:57 < Steffanx> I actually meant kakimir, with his new powers.
2016-11-02T23:35:21 < KreAture_> I should start a mcu company and make a very very very cool mcu with fantastic peripherals and make sure they all collide, this appears to be how it is done and how to make it popular
2016-11-02T23:35:25 < upgrdman> any f0's support usb host?
2016-11-02T23:35:30 < upgrdman> f072 doesnt seem to
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2016-11-02T23:57:26 < Kliment> upgrdman: don't think so
2016-11-02T23:59:12 < upgrdman> k
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2016-11-03T00:04:31 < kisielk> hah, now OpenOCD even has a warning for the F7: Warn : Silicon bug: single stepping will enter pending exception handler!
2016-11-03T00:04:49 < upgrdman> cant step with f7?
2016-11-03T00:04:50 < kisielk> upgrdman: there's no F0's with USB host afaik
2016-11-03T00:04:58 < kisielk> not with the f756
2016-11-03T00:05:08 < kisielk> well, you *can*, but you'll just jump to an interrupt handler
2016-11-03T00:05:14 < upgrdman> lol, wonder how that got past testing
2016-11-03T00:05:47 < kisielk> I don't know, seems to be a bug in that particular stepping of the ARM core
2016-11-03T00:06:00 < kisielk> interrupts are not masked properly or something like that
2016-11-03T00:06:07 < kisielk> pretty frustrating to develop with
2016-11-03T00:06:25 < kisielk> apparently Keil + Segger have a workaround, but I don't use that so...
2016-11-03T00:06:51 < kisielk> upgrdman: smallest chip for USB host would be the F2 I think
2016-11-03T00:07:18 < upgrdman> ya i think i'll just go to f4
2016-11-03T00:07:25 < upgrdman> was hoping f0 since i have a bunch of f0 code
2016-11-03T00:07:51 < kisielk> the F411 has been looking pretty attractive to me lately
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2016-11-03T01:11:10 < decimad> Meh, so I'm being confused by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_buffer , not by its mechanics really, but by what is described and imaged in the "Circular Buffer Mechanics" subheader
2016-11-03T01:12:00 < decimad> With those two pointers you can differ between full and empty alright, but only if you waste one element Oo
2016-11-03T01:12:33 < decimad> but on the image they show it as if the last element was actually written
2016-11-03T01:12:54 < decimad> actually on both images they show the "end" pointer pointing to a valid index
2016-11-03T01:13:49 < decimad> then, if start == end means empty, how would you set up "1 Element"? :D
2016-11-03T01:14:20 < decimad> add to that, that end points to a valid element
2016-11-03T01:14:40 < zyp> you're missing a point
2016-11-03T01:15:28 < zyp> a ringbuffer with start == end -> empty is full when there's only one free slot left
2016-11-03T01:15:47 < decimad> which is what I meant with wasting an element, right?
2016-11-03T01:16:07 < zyp> yep, a one element ringbuffer is always both full and empty
2016-11-03T01:16:37 < decimad> which also means, that the end pointer points to "one past" the last valid element, if there exists one, right?
2016-11-03T01:17:24 < LeelooMinai> You can implement it to not waste any element, if you want.
2016-11-03T01:17:26 < decimad> then why the heck don't they mention the space waste and also show a value at the index pointed to by the end pointer?
2016-11-03T01:17:33 < decimad> yes, storing the size
2016-11-03T01:17:38 < decimad> instead of end
2016-11-03T01:17:47 < decimad> f.e.
2016-11-03T01:17:51 < zyp> LeelooMinai, yeah, but it has disadvantages
2016-11-03T01:18:23 < decimad> the images on that wiki page are misleading at best
2016-11-03T01:18:54 < zyp> ringbuffers were a topic for discussion here a couple of weeks ago
2016-11-03T01:19:06 < decimad> see the partial full image? there are actually only 2 elements stored in that state, yet the display a third
2016-11-03T01:19:49 < zyp> true
2016-11-03T01:20:08 < LeelooMinai> I forgot all the details, but I implemented a buffer like this once, and I think the idea was that it had to be power of 2 size, and then you could use some arithmetic tricks that would only waste one bit that would distinguish between the corner cases.
2016-11-03T01:20:30 < LeelooMinai> But it was for FGPA I think, still, the idea would hold in MCU.
2016-11-03T01:21:09 < zyp> eh, saving one element is not worth it unless it's a buffer of few large elements
2016-11-03T01:22:09 < LeelooMinai> Well, as I wrote, it was on FPGA and it had some other benefits there - simplifying the operations and state required, but I guess whatever - if you don't mind wasting that entry, it doesn't matter.
2016-11-03T01:22:26 < zyp> but it depends on what you're doing
2016-11-03T01:22:31 < decimad> well, if elements sizes are multiple of 2 you can store that stuff there, or in vhdl it's easy to use just a single flipflop and use that to differ...
2016-11-03T01:22:36 < LeelooMinai> Just saying that it's not somehow requirement that you need to waste it.
2016-11-03T01:22:51 < zyp> if you implement it with one pointer and a count of elements, it's not a problem
2016-11-03T01:23:00 < LeelooMinai> No, I meant the ring buffer size.
2016-11-03T01:23:15 < LeelooMinai> 2,4,8,16 entry max, etc.
2016-11-03T01:23:36 < decimad> yeah, I did that, but it looks messy now on the afterthought, I might add another using the waste-an-element-technique
2016-11-03T01:23:47 < decimad> start + size I mean
2016-11-03T01:24:11 < LeelooMinai> The wasted entry will hount you in your nightmares though:)
2016-11-03T01:24:16 < LeelooMinai> haunt*
2016-11-03T01:24:28 < zyp> I mean, if you have a 1024-entry buffer and your count variable is more than two bits, 0 and 1024 are distinct values
2016-11-03T01:24:30 < decimad> LeelooMinai: the power-of-two technique lets you add and overflow, always getting a valid index
2016-11-03T01:24:42 < zyp> more than ten bits*
2016-11-03T01:25:17 < LeelooMinai> Well, yes, you get one nice bit there telling you if the pointer is above another, while you consider LSBits for indexing.
2016-11-03T01:25:27 < zyp> but if you have a read pointer and a write pointer, they would be identical for the empty and full cases, since they're wrapping
2016-11-03T01:25:34 < LeelooMinai> It works kind of neat in FPGA context.
2016-11-03T01:26:24 < LeelooMinai> That was the point - they will not, because they work over twice the bit space.
2016-11-03T01:26:31 < decimad> zyp: well that's what the waste-an-element is for, no? what are we talking about? :)
2016-11-03T01:26:32 < zyp> the disadvantage of the count-model is that the count variable needs to be updated both when you're writing and when you're reading the buffer
2016-11-03T01:26:49 < LeelooMinai> You have one extra MSB bit that you use to avoid the corner case.
2016-11-03T01:27:15 < zyp> whereas in the pointer case, the write side will only increment the write pointer, the read side will only increment the read pointer
2016-11-03T01:27:30 < zyp> and implemented right, it'll be threadsafe without locking
2016-11-03T01:28:18 < zyp> LeelooMinai, yeah, if you replace the pointers with indexes onto a base, that'll work
2016-11-03T01:28:25 < decimad> yeah, code clean and efficient, but an element wasted^^
2016-11-03T01:29:13 < zyp> well, not necessarily wasted
2016-11-03T01:29:40 < BrainDamage> you'll be wasting memory on meta-data for the ringbuffer anyway
2016-11-03T01:29:49 < decimad> actually
2016-11-03T01:29:55 < zyp> the write code can still write into the last element, it just can't increment the pointer
2016-11-03T01:30:01 < BrainDamage> depending on item size vs metadata, it'snot necessarily a net loss
2016-11-03T01:30:09 < decimad> you could store the start pointer in the element the end pointer points to, if memory suffices :D
2016-11-03T01:30:34 < zyp> true
2016-11-03T01:30:43 < zyp> I mean, what BrainDamage said
2016-11-03T01:31:10 < decimad> if element size suffices, I mean
2016-11-03T01:31:52 < zyp> decimad, idk what you mean by that, but it doesn't sound like a good idea
2016-11-03T01:32:10 < LeelooMinai> Well, unless the element size is huge.
2016-11-03T01:32:15 < BrainDamage> what you suggested is gonna have plenty of WTFs by whorever reads the code
2016-11-03T01:32:21 < decimad> :)
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2016-11-03T01:33:02 < LeelooMinai> Say if you have a buffer of 1k packets or something - I would rather use my extra 2 bit buffer than waste one entry in FPGA:)
2016-11-03T01:33:37 < zyp> ringbuffers doesn't tend to be the right data structure for 1k packets
2016-11-03T01:33:53 < LeelooMinai> well, I mean whatever scenario that has big entries.
2016-11-03T01:34:10 < zyp> ringbuffers doesn't tend to be the right data structure for big entries
2016-11-03T01:34:13 < decimad> :D
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2016-11-03T01:34:48 < LeelooMinai> zyp: Knew you will say something like that - fail:) 
2016-11-03T01:35:32 < zyp> I mean, the advantage of a ringbuffer is the ability to handle variable length data
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2016-11-03T01:35:43 < LeelooMinai> Yes, so?
2016-11-03T01:35:49 < stvn> what a shoah
2016-11-03T01:36:00 < zyp> instead of making 1k elements, you make byte-sized elements and use 1k of them to fit a 1k packet
2016-11-03T01:36:08 < decimad> I'm not doing anything wrong when implementing a static capacity deque with a ringbuffer, right? I'm all confused now^^
2016-11-03T01:37:34 < LeelooMinai> decimad: My FPGA thing was actually called Queue.
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2016-11-03T01:37:57 < LeelooMinai> No one can stop you from implementing it like this imo:)
2016-11-03T01:38:08 < zyp> decimad, uh, a deque by definition is a different thing
2016-11-03T01:38:17 < Laurenceb_> No one can stop the Trumpening
2016-11-03T01:38:26 < zyp> but I guess you could implement that as a ringbuffer as well
2016-11-03T01:38:35 < zyp> doubleended ringbuffer, heh
2016-11-03T01:38:37 < stvn> oh hi Laurenceb_ 
2016-11-03T01:38:38 < LeelooMinai> But no one can prevent one from implementing deque as ringbuffer...
2016-11-03T01:38:47 < stvn> how are your horses?
2016-11-03T01:38:50 < LeelooMinai> It makes sense in many scenarios.
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2016-11-03T01:38:59 < zyp> LeelooMinai, you're aware that the de in deque stands for double ended?
2016-11-03T01:39:05 < Laurenceb_> havent seen any horses
2016-11-03T01:39:14 < stvn> okay
2016-11-03T01:39:24 < aandrew> y'all are gonna be mighty disappointed when Hillary wins the white house
2016-11-03T01:39:25 < LeelooMinai> zyp: And you realize that a ring buffer has two ends? :p
2016-11-03T01:39:25 < Laurenceb_> but maybe I will be able to get molested by stable girls soon
2016-11-03T01:39:36 < aandrew> it is, after all, her turn
2016-11-03T01:39:36 < stvn> nice work there
2016-11-03T01:39:48 < decimad> well, of course I meant a beefed up ringbuffer that can decrement the pointers as well
2016-11-03T01:39:49 < zyp> LeelooMinai, sure, sure, just haven't seen any implementations working in that fashion
2016-11-03T01:39:58 < stvn> i'll be happy when america dun goofed
2016-11-03T01:40:20 < aandrew> they already dun goofed by presenting both of these jokers
2016-11-03T01:40:22 < LeelooMinai> zyp: I made a FIFO like that on FPGA - it makes perfect sense.
2016-11-03T01:40:29  * stvn nods
2016-11-03T01:40:39 < LeelooMinai> Are elections over yet?
2016-11-03T01:40:45 < aandrew> soon
2016-11-03T01:40:52  * LeelooMinai is scared she missed the finall clown battle
2016-11-03T01:40:59 < BrainDamage> a dequeue tought has typically append/insert at head/tail, in a ringbuffer it becomes irky, you need to resize capacity and actually remove the circular bit of the ringbuffer
2016-11-03T01:41:04 < decimad> if you're doing the fifo in block ram presumably
2016-11-03T01:41:04 < aandrew> i'll be back home and the hell out of the US by then
2016-11-03T01:41:43 < LeelooMinai> BrainDamage: Resize capacity? o_O
2016-11-03T01:41:47 < decimad> BrainDamage: I explicitly said static capicity deque, ie. it can't grow beyond a static limit
2016-11-03T01:41:51 < aandrew> wtf is the difference between a ring buffer and a queue?
2016-11-03T01:42:07 < Laurenceb_> I was going to ask the same question
2016-11-03T01:42:24 < LeelooMinai> I see ring buffer as something that can be used to implement many things... queue, deque, fifo, why not?
2016-11-03T01:42:30 < zyp> yeah
2016-11-03T01:42:47 < LeelooMinai> Or you can use lists, or arrays - just different implementations.
2016-11-03T01:42:51 < zyp> a queue can be implemented with a ringbuffer, but can also be implemented as a linked list, etc
2016-11-03T01:43:17 < decimad> depending on element copy costs mostly, i guess
2016-11-03T01:43:33 < zyp> doesn't have anything to do with copy costs
2016-11-03T01:43:59 < decimad> well, if something is already there physically and expensive to copy into a ring-buffer, then use an intrusive linked list or something
2016-11-03T01:44:01 < LeelooMinai> Rign buffer is great if you don't want to shuffle elements around at all.
2016-11-03T01:44:18 < LeelooMinai> And you don't want any high-cost modifying operations in general.
2016-11-03T01:44:31 < BrainDamage> LeelooMinai: basically what decimad said, if the queue length exceeds the ringbuffer allocated memory, you need to split the array, piee together and copy and allocate a memory chunk that fits the new expanded size
2016-11-03T01:44:34 < LeelooMinai> So if the size is fixed - optimal.
2016-11-03T01:44:34 < zyp> decimad, nothing stops you from preallocating space in a ringbuffer and writing directly into it
2016-11-03T01:45:03 < LeelooMinai> BrainDamage: Right, ok, no, we were talking about fixed size I believe.
2016-11-03T01:45:12 < zyp> BrainDamage, nobody said anything about dynamic capacity
2016-11-03T01:45:19 < decimad> no, not fixed size
2016-11-03T01:45:22 < decimad> fixed capacity
2016-11-03T01:45:31 < LeelooMinai> Well, obviously:)
2016-11-03T01:45:48 < BrainDamage> yeah if it's fixed it's not a problem 
2016-11-03T01:46:30 < BrainDamage> also i apologise if my form is a bit sloppy but i'm 40h without rest >_>, and still can't get sleep
2016-11-03T01:46:49 < LeelooMinai> lol... that does not sound very healthy...
2016-11-03T01:46:55 < zyp> anyway, I retract my earlier statement about a deque being different from a ringbuffer, I'm just used to thinking of that as a doubly linked list
2016-11-03T01:46:55  * stvn injects BrainDamage 
2016-11-03T01:47:21 < zyp> of course it works as well as a ringbuffer as a normal queue, just never seen that done before
2016-11-03T01:47:45 < LeelooMinai> BrainDamage: I once have seen a show about a guy that could not sleep at all due to some neural disorder. He died after a while...
2016-11-03T01:48:08 < stvn> i vote englishman's cat for next ##stm32 channel operator
2016-11-03T01:48:26 < BrainDamage> i've pulled an allnighter yesterday and i'm just a bit winded up to get sleep
2016-11-03T01:48:43 < LeelooMinai> We cannot overload channel operators?
2016-11-03T01:49:01 < zyp> hmm, has there been any operator action?
2016-11-03T01:49:08 < Laurenceb_> you have to say awake for about a month for it to be fatal aiui
2016-11-03T01:49:35 < stvn> englishman, have you been pick and placing?
2016-11-03T01:49:43 < LeelooMinai> Or a week - you start seeing spiders chasing you and jump out of a window on 10th floor
2016-11-03T01:49:47 < stvn> haha sweet
2016-11-03T01:49:58 < stvn> zano mkII
2016-11-03T01:50:03 < Laurenceb_> oh god what
2016-11-03T01:50:08 < Laurenceb_> please be trolling
2016-11-03T01:50:10 < stvn> jk he's not making zanos
2016-11-03T01:50:34 < Laurenceb_> nope its emdrives and eestor capacitors powered by steorn orbo
2016-11-03T01:50:53 < decimad> Wasn't zano dong's prevalent topic? What's up with that? :D
2016-11-03T01:51:08 < decimad> It's been a while for me, you know
2016-11-03T01:51:09 < stvn> Laurenceb_, sounds good
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2016-11-03T02:17:19 < stvn> the welcome cat named charlie
2016-11-03T02:20:19 < kisielk> can anyone recommend a good system for developing plugins for an embedded device?
2016-11-03T02:20:42 < kisielk> I'd like to be able to say, scan an SD card for plugins, and then be able to load the code at runtime
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2016-11-03T02:40:17 < Laurenceb_> interesting idea
2016-11-03T02:40:33 < Laurenceb_> depends what kind of plugin
2016-11-03T02:41:00 < Laurenceb_> like some sort of application that runs on a framework, or an entire self contained binary
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2016-11-03T02:41:11 < Laurenceb_> look at nuttx?
2016-11-03T02:42:00 < Laurenceb_> http://www.nuttx.org/doku.php?id=wiki:nshhowtos:nshapplications
2016-11-03T02:45:27 < LeelooMinai> This is pretty interesting: http://www.embedded.com/design/prototyping-and-development/4025691/Build-a-Super-Simple-Tasker
2016-11-03T02:45:38 < LeelooMinai> I think I will base my stuff on this at the core.
2016-11-03T02:47:37 < LeelooMinai> Also, lol at the "We've compiled the example with the legacy Turbo C++ 1.01, available as a free download from the Borland Museum."
2016-11-03T02:47:46 < LeelooMinai> Brings back the memories:)
2016-11-03T02:48:28 < kisielk> Laurenceb_: basically each plugin needs to provide 2 or 3 functions
2016-11-03T02:48:34 < kisielk> which would be called from the main loop of the application
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2016-11-03T02:48:48 < kisielk> or from a DMA interrupt
2016-11-03T02:50:26 < kisielk> it's for a DSP system which would have user-loadable modules. The main application would deal with all the hardware interface, the user-provided plugins would just need functions for setting parameters and sending/receiving blocks for processing
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2016-11-03T02:51:05 < kisielk> I don't really want an OS or anything, not enough going on to warrant that
2016-11-03T02:51:15 < kisielk> actually I found this from ARM: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.dai0242a/index.html
2016-11-03T02:51:28 < kisielk> in 5.3 where they discuss Overlays, that's basically what I'm after
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2016-11-03T02:53:05 < Laurenceb_> maybe copy to TCM if they will fit
2016-11-03T02:53:23 < Laurenceb_> or run nuttx and call the application
2016-11-03T02:53:30 < Laurenceb_> for epic slowness
2016-11-03T02:54:17 < Laurenceb_> I'm guessing nuttx will let you copy to the equivalent of a ramdisc... somehow
2016-11-03T02:55:14 < Laurenceb_> ah yeah I see that in the features
2016-11-03T02:55:53 < kisielk> Yeah I would copy it to the TCM or even just the SRAM
2016-11-03T02:56:08 < kisielk> just need to figure out how to actually link this with gcc
2016-11-03T02:57:17 < kisielk> I guess in the main app it's easy, just function pointers that point to the appropriate address
2016-11-03T02:59:06 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-11-03T02:59:17 < Laurenceb_> linker script would be a little fiddly
2016-11-03T03:00:43 < Laurenceb_> nuttx looks too faffy
2016-11-03T03:01:16 < Laurenceb_> but it seems to be POSIX compatible, and looks 100 times more practical for embedded than linux :P
2016-11-03T03:04:20 < LeelooMinai> englishman: Wouldn't human do it faster? :p
2016-11-03T03:06:22 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nt3edWLgIg#t=4m08s
2016-11-03T03:06:39 < jadew> finally a recent ted talk that's worth watching
2016-11-03T03:06:49 < jadew> there's about 5 seconds of side boob there
2016-11-03T03:07:57 < LeelooMinai> I wonder how she got there - they have stolen her from a Las Vegas show? :)
2016-11-03T03:08:36 < jadew> yeah, I tried to imagine why she's there too
2016-11-03T03:08:55 < LeelooMinai> Seems a bit... misplaced.
2016-11-03T03:10:27 < Laurenceb_> where is the sideboob
2016-11-03T03:10:36 < Laurenceb_> I see a hipster retard
2016-11-03T03:10:43 < jadew> yeah, I don't like that guy either
2016-11-03T03:10:54 < jadew> the sideboob is at 4m08
2016-11-03T03:11:07 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-03T03:11:25 < LeelooMinai> I was going to ask if you guys are blind... :p
2016-11-03T03:11:41 < Laurenceb_> just not horney enough to fap to TED weirdos
2016-11-03T03:11:49 < decimad> So I haven't been exposed at all to model based development and DSL and everything, but does anybody know jetbrains mps? It would solve all the hassles I have with template generating code crap, because I could just extend the language with constructs I need... cool somehow
2016-11-03T03:11:50 < jadew> haha
2016-11-03T03:12:18 < Laurenceb_> oh lulwut
2016-11-03T03:12:29 < Laurenceb_> I see her now, probably hooker with guy on her left
2016-11-03T03:13:07 < jadew> why the one on the left?
2016-11-03T03:13:32 < Laurenceb_> body language
2016-11-03T03:13:42 < LeelooMinai> She's with the guy on her right imo:)
2016-11-03T03:13:43 < Laurenceb_> and guy on the right is too old to get it up
2016-11-03T03:13:51 < Laurenceb_> oh i dunno lol
2016-11-03T03:13:58 < jadew> I think you're mixing left and right
2016-11-03T03:14:05 < Laurenceb_> oh her right
2016-11-03T03:14:08 < Laurenceb_> yeah I agree
2016-11-03T03:14:09 < LeelooMinai> Because body language - he is leaning comfortably towards her...
2016-11-03T03:14:15 < Laurenceb_> I went full retard
2016-11-03T03:14:28 < LeelooMinai> "the other left"
2016-11-03T03:14:41 < jadew> I have the same issue, but not in english
2016-11-03T03:14:47 < jadew> in english I get them right
2016-11-03T03:14:57 < Laurenceb_> inb4 felix baumgartner
2016-11-03T03:14:59 < LeelooMinai> What about them left though? :)
2016-11-03T03:15:31 < jadew> I wonder what crosses through a woman's mind when he decides to go out like that
2016-11-03T03:15:42 < jadew> *she
2016-11-03T03:15:50 < Laurenceb_> I'm gunna argue over radio about wind direction whilst freefalling at mach 1 from a balloon
2016-11-03T03:16:09 < LeelooMinai> I remember this guy from some videos about atheism I think on youtube.
2016-11-03T03:16:24 < jadew> LeelooMinai, the speaker?
2016-11-03T03:16:29 < LeelooMinai> Right
2016-11-03T03:16:36 < Laurenceb_> uh oh 
2016-11-03T03:16:37 < jadew> seems like an attention grabbing whore
2016-11-03T03:17:00 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Atheist
2016-11-03T03:17:06 < jadew> there's no other reason why you would bring up such a topic
2016-11-03T03:17:15 < jadew> it's not like we're even close to creating AI
2016-11-03T03:17:36 < Laurenceb_> TED: home of attention seeking losers
2016-11-03T03:17:40 < Laurenceb_> like irc++
2016-11-03T03:18:10 < Laurenceb_> Hipster atheist: omg AI dude
2016-11-03T03:18:15 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Well, I don't see anything wrong about talking about such thigs in advance - better be prepared:)
2016-11-03T03:18:27 < Laurenceb_> Sensible person: cool, get back to me when you have some cool AI codez
2016-11-03T03:18:36 < jadew> LeelooMinai, it's been talked about already, we know what to do
2016-11-03T03:18:44 < jadew> rule nr. 1: Never hurt humans.
2016-11-03T03:18:48 < LeelooMinai> jadew: lol, what? Whi knows?
2016-11-03T03:18:58 < LeelooMinai> A, right... well, I don't think it's that simple.
2016-11-03T03:19:17 < LeelooMinai> It will probably go sideways one day anyways.
2016-11-03T03:19:24 < jadew> here's the thing, let's get there and we'll deal with it on the spot
2016-11-03T03:19:26 < Laurenceb_> anyone remember the "grey goo" craze
2016-11-03T03:19:30 < jadew> if it goes crazy, we can just unplug it
2016-11-03T03:19:35 < Laurenceb_> AI is like that one, delayed a few years
2016-11-03T03:19:41 < LeelooMinai> jadew: That does not sound like a good preparation stragegy to me:p
2016-11-03T03:20:11 < Laurenceb_> I was always like "yeah dude, the grey goo apocalypse happened a few billion years ago"
2016-11-03T03:20:13 < jadew> Laurenceb_, I don't know what that is/was?
2016-11-03T03:20:29 < Laurenceb_> jadew: earth destroyed by nanobots
2016-11-03T03:20:41 < jadew> movie?
2016-11-03T03:20:53 < Laurenceb_> no, actual TED talk style talking point
2016-11-03T03:20:57 < LeelooMinai> It's like "Let's wait until we see the climate changes our planet irreversibly and then we will deal with that". Who sane would do that. O, wait...
2016-11-03T03:21:01 < jadew> ah
2016-11-03T03:21:23 < jadew> LeelooMinai, well, it's not the same
2016-11-03T03:21:38 < LeelooMinai> No? 
2016-11-03T03:21:51 < jadew> when you know you're on the verge of true AI, you unplug the ethernet cable :)
2016-11-03T03:21:59 < jadew> and then you start it
2016-11-03T03:22:59 < jadew> I have fanthesized about AI my entire life
2016-11-03T03:23:05 < jadew> well, when I was younger anyway
2016-11-03T03:23:49 < jadew> I thought that if you could create that perfect intelligence you could get the answers to everything
2016-11-03T03:23:56 < jadew> but the reality is that you can't
2016-11-03T03:24:02 < LeelooMinai> lol, good luck:p
2016-11-03T03:24:11 < jadew> intelligence has to be imperfect, otherwise it won't work
2016-11-03T03:24:31 < Laurenceb_> inb4 taytweets
2016-11-03T03:24:37 < jadew> perfection in logic requires taking into account everything, which is impossible
2016-11-03T03:24:58 < jadew> so you have to have errors, otherwise you can't advance with the thought process
2016-11-03T03:25:39 < jadew> I think that at first, when we'll have true AI, it will be dumb
2016-11-03T03:25:54 < jadew> because the error rate will be high
2016-11-03T03:26:24 < jadew> but I'm sure they'll become smarter than us, as we reduce the error and increase the processing power
2016-11-03T03:26:31 < LeelooMinai> It will be able to self-improve very quickly though probably - which is the worrying part imo.
2016-11-03T03:26:34 < jadew> never perfect tho
2016-11-03T03:27:22 < LeelooMinai> Well, I don't know if I even worry - if people get replaced with machines, so what... why should I even care? :)
2016-11-03T03:27:24 < jadew> LeelooMinai, that's true, but as I was saying earlier, when you know you have true AI, you take precautions
2016-11-03T03:27:33 < jadew> for one, you'd make it impossible to do some things
2016-11-03T03:28:15 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Right, and no one will try to remove those restrictions...
2016-11-03T03:28:25 < jadew> heh
2016-11-03T03:28:28 < LeelooMinai> That's the first thing some people will try:)
2016-11-03T03:29:05 < jadew> well, now that I think about it, it's a terrifying thought
2016-11-03T03:29:34 < LeelooMinai> Well, I don't know... No one said humanity has to exist and improve forever.
2016-11-03T03:29:42 < jadew> cuz we can't know what it would do, since it's above what we can understand
2016-11-03T03:30:22 < LeelooMinai> Probably will eat all available resources to improve even further.
2016-11-03T03:30:33 < jadew> probably
2016-11-03T03:30:39 < LeelooMinai> So bye bye people:)
2016-11-03T03:30:55 < jadew> in my version, from my youth, I would have made it a female and programmed it to love me
2016-11-03T03:31:18 < LeelooMinai> That's a very novel idea
2016-11-03T03:31:22 < jadew> :P
2016-11-03T03:31:35 < jadew> yeah, I'm sure noone else thought about that
2016-11-03T03:32:29 < jadew> it's all comming back to me, I even sat down a couple of times and tried to write AI
2016-11-03T03:33:18 < jadew> and I remember the first time I tried to do it and I realized I don't know what a thought is or that even you create a network capable of sustaining thoughts, I wouldn't know how to start it
2016-11-03T03:33:34 < jadew> *even if
2016-11-03T03:34:24 < LeelooMinai> 10 let tink = true 20 ... 30 profit
2016-11-03T03:34:29 < LeelooMinai> think*
2016-11-03T03:34:32 < jadew> haha
2016-11-03T03:35:12 < jadew> I sure did a lot of day dreaming on the topic
2016-11-03T03:35:31 < jadew> and yeah, always ended in proffit, never in the destruction of the human race
2016-11-03T03:35:53 < jadew> profit
2016-11-03T03:37:31 < LeelooMinai> There are many other scenarios though. One potential "saving" scenario would be if people figure how to transfer their brain state into machines and then interface with their capabilities. It would end up with super-humans in a sense that could survive on their own probably.
2016-11-03T03:38:10 < LeelooMinai> Though, it would be a rather blurry distinction by that time:)
2016-11-03T03:38:38 < jadew> well, there are already people working on that :)
2016-11-03T03:38:52 < jadew> pretty sure it was done by now
2016-11-03T03:39:11 < LeelooMinai> The other would be if people figure how to improve biologivally quickly, but that seems unlikely.
2016-11-03T03:39:28 < jadew> the blue brain project managed to emulate a piece of a mice's brain years ago (and it worked fine)
2016-11-03T03:40:12 < LeelooMinai> Worked fine how?
2016-11-03T03:40:24 < LeelooMinai> "it made noises like peeeep"
2016-11-03T03:40:56 < jadew> I'm not sure what they were able to do with it, but apparently it worked just like the real one
2016-11-03T03:41:13 < jadew> I don't remember if they put it in a mouse or not
2016-11-03T03:41:19 < jadew> they probably did
2016-11-03T03:41:41 < jadew> haven't heard anything about blue brain after that
2016-11-03T03:41:48 < LeelooMinai> They put it into Turmp
2016-11-03T03:42:04 < LeelooMinai> That would explain a lot:)
2016-11-03T03:42:12 < jadew> haha
2016-11-03T03:43:35 < jadew> Having started filming in 2009, the documentary is planned to be released in 2020, after the years of filming and editing have finished.
2016-11-03T03:43:42 < jadew> that doesn't sound suspicious at all
2016-11-03T03:44:06 < LeelooMinai> What documentary?
2016-11-03T03:44:18 < jadew> about the blue brain project
2016-11-03T03:45:35 < LeelooMinai> "Finally a cellular human brain is predicted possible by 2023 equivalent to 1000 rat brains with a total of a hundred billion cells."
2016-11-03T03:46:06 < LeelooMinai> Ok...
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2016-11-03T03:46:41 < Laurenceb_> 1k rat
2016-11-03T03:46:49 < Laurenceb_> oh noes we are doomed
2016-11-03T03:47:01 < LeelooMinai> Wait for the mega rat
2016-11-03T03:47:01 < jadew> hehe
2016-11-03T03:47:10 < Laurenceb_> I am utterly unscared of any "AI"
2016-11-03T03:47:32 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: I imagine that will be the words of the last living human
2016-11-03T03:47:44 < jadew> well, it can go either way
2016-11-03T03:47:55 < jadew> I think the biggest problem is that we have so much automation
2016-11-03T03:48:03 < Laurenceb_> Leeloo confirmed as TED/Atheist tard
2016-11-03T03:48:22 < Laurenceb_> ten years ago you would have ranted about grey goo
2016-11-03T03:48:22 < jadew> if we discovered AI when it couldn't affect the real world, it wouldn't have been much of an issue
2016-11-03T03:48:24 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: What has atheism to do with it? :p
2016-11-03T03:49:02 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_goo
2016-11-03T03:49:31 < Laurenceb_> just the same fear trajectory as AI at the moment
2016-11-03T03:49:33 < jadew> sounds like a couple of episodes from stargate sg-1
2016-11-03T03:50:41 < Laurenceb_> and just as stupid
2016-11-03T03:50:43 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: Well, I was not really familiar with this even... But what is your point there?
2016-11-03T03:50:57 < Laurenceb_> its just as stupid and was hyped in much the same way
2016-11-03T03:51:06 < LeelooMinai> As stupid as what?
2016-11-03T03:51:12 < Laurenceb_> stupid celebrities ranted and raved about it ten years ago
2016-11-03T03:51:19 < Laurenceb_> then normalfags ranted and raved
2016-11-03T03:51:27 < Laurenceb_> as stupid as AI hype at the moment
2016-11-03T03:51:37 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: You are becomeing a bit incoherent imo:)
2016-11-03T03:51:47 < jadew> thing about that grey goo stuff is that we're already under attack by self replicating machines
2016-11-03T03:51:55 < Laurenceb_> and of course it all died out as everyone got bored of the sillyness
2016-11-03T03:51:58 < jadew> and we're self replicating machines too
2016-11-03T03:52:02 < Laurenceb_> jadew: exactly
2016-11-03T03:52:13 < Laurenceb_> grey goo happened a few billion years ago
2016-11-03T03:52:33 < jadew> artificial nanobots seem like child play
2016-11-03T03:52:52 < Laurenceb_> also artificial intelligence happened a long time ago
2016-11-03T03:53:07 < jadew> yeah, and it took over the earth :)
2016-11-03T03:53:13 < Laurenceb_> I'm not scared by a cat or even another human outwitting me
2016-11-03T03:53:40 < Laurenceb_> there is no evidence that entropy type laws don't apply to AI
2016-11-03T03:53:47 < LeelooMinai> Ok, but wait a minute... Yes, so it happened, but why it cannot happen again in another way?
2016-11-03T03:54:07 < Laurenceb_> because the systems already exist and are dominant
2016-11-03T03:54:24 < LeelooMinai> Dinosaurs were dominant too, so what? :p
2016-11-03T03:54:28 < Laurenceb_> also entropy laws place strong limits on whats possible
2016-11-03T03:55:42 < Laurenceb_> any AI system would have to be far smarter than a human to pose a threat
2016-11-03T03:55:50 < jadew> here's the thing, our brain power is limited by how much brain we have, which is limited by survivability
2016-11-03T03:55:51 < Laurenceb_> there is no evidence that is possible
2016-11-03T03:55:53 < LeelooMinai> I don't see why AI taking over would be impossible or even improbably. I am not a "believer" that it must happen, but I don't see why anyone would say it's unlikely.
2016-11-03T03:56:04 < LeelooMinai> improbable*
2016-11-03T03:56:16 < jadew> if an AI could get itself even 1/4 as smart as us using similar resources
2016-11-03T03:56:25 < Laurenceb_> because we don't even have any understanding or theory of intelligence
2016-11-03T03:56:25 < jadew> then it could simply scale
2016-11-03T03:56:44 < Laurenceb_> there may be strong scaling limits
2016-11-03T03:56:48 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: At this point, but so what - science and tech move at a pretty scarily fast rate.
2016-11-03T03:57:05 < Laurenceb_>  "science" and "tech" are just words
2016-11-03T03:57:12 < LeelooMinai> lol...
2016-11-03T03:57:34 < Laurenceb_> victorians had plenty of those
2016-11-03T03:57:40 < Laurenceb_> and could make steam engines
2016-11-03T03:57:51 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: Are you living on some other planet right now? :p
2016-11-03T03:57:51 < Laurenceb_> but they didnt have a proper understanding of energy
2016-11-03T03:58:30 < Laurenceb_> so engine development was limited until we had proper theories to expand engine power and the design space of engine options
2016-11-03T03:58:49 < Laurenceb_> but now we are hitting hard limits for engine power density
2016-11-03T03:59:01 < Laurenceb_> I suspect AI development may prove similar
2016-11-03T03:59:09 < Laurenceb_> now we are at the ~1700 stage
2016-11-03T03:59:13 < LeelooMinai> Laurenceb_: You are on a channel, on IRC, on internet, called #stm32, which is about tiny chips that can do things unimaginable to people half a centurie ago, and you don't see how science and tech move at accelerated rate?
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2016-11-03T03:59:58 < Laurenceb_> TED talk is like someone in 1700 saying that a massive steam engine might be built and spin the earth on its axis so fast we would fall off
2016-11-03T04:00:04 < Laurenceb_> oh no we will all die
2016-11-03T04:00:24 < jadew> it's not the same...
2016-11-03T04:00:26 < LeelooMinai> I think you overestimate life...
2016-11-03T04:00:45 < jadew> it's the fact that we're talking about what makes us all powerful
2016-11-03T04:00:49 <@dongs> lots of autism happening
2016-11-03T04:00:52 < LeelooMinai> Sure, it's complex, but not that complex that it cannot be duplicated in the future
2016-11-03T04:01:29 < LeelooMinai> In fact, by this point it should be pretty clear that there's nothing magical about it
2016-11-03T04:01:40 < Laurenceb_> if we found a record of some talk from 1700 about massive earth destroying steam engine we would all laugh at the stupid
2016-11-03T04:01:50 < Laurenceb_> in the future we will all laugh at the TED talk
2016-11-03T04:01:53 < Laurenceb_> anyways
2016-11-03T04:01:55  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2016-11-03T04:02:05 < jadew> anyway, the fear that AI could be our doom comes from the fact that we know ourselves
2016-11-03T04:02:08 <@dongs> wait i thought  the whole purpose of ted talks was to laugh at them
2016-11-03T04:02:13 < jadew> and we know we're capable of very bad things
2016-11-03T04:02:39 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I don't even know exactly what Laurenceb_ was arguing about...
2016-11-03T04:02:50 < jadew> dongs, well, we did that and now we're discussing the subject :P
2016-11-03T04:03:55 < jadew> it's also the fact that we know you can't control someone smarter than yourself
2016-11-03T04:04:10 < LeelooMinai> jadew: Did you get it maybe? Was he saying that what, AI cannot ever match humans, or what?
2016-11-03T04:04:36 < jadew> he was making the analogy between AI and that grey goo stuff which was a silly scare
2016-11-03T04:05:23 < LeelooMinai> Still don't get it. No one is saying that AI will take over the world right after the election end...
2016-11-03T04:05:24 < jadew> and that AI can't get further than we are
2016-11-03T04:05:33 < jadew> farther?
2016-11-03T04:05:41 < LeelooMinai> fur
2016-11-03T04:05:50 < jadew> thanks
2016-11-03T04:05:50 < LeelooMinai> farther is in distance I think:)
2016-11-03T04:05:54 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-03T04:06:02 < jadew> but I don't know what applies here
2016-11-03T04:06:13 < LeelooMinai> Right, I don't buy this - see no reason for it really.
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2016-11-03T04:06:38 < LeelooMinai> Whetever can self-improve faster will win.
2016-11-03T04:06:56 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-03T04:07:01 < LeelooMinai> And bilogical creatures are not exactly great at speed...
2016-11-03T04:07:47 < LeelooMinai> Which can be seen if you go to wolfram, type some time-based conversion and get result in megadarwins or something:)
2016-11-03T04:08:54 < LeelooMinai> Also, I was doing something and not sure how it got here... Now I forgot:/
2016-11-03T04:10:28 < jadew> it started with the sideboob
2016-11-03T04:10:55 < LeelooMinai> O, right, I read that simple OS article and saw that they treated interrupts as it was basically another task running not even getting rid of the stack frame for it in a normal way or something...
2016-11-03T04:11:32 < LeelooMinai> And I think I was in the middle of figuring out when the interrupt "ends" from the hardware point of view.
2016-11-03T04:11:59 < LeelooMinai> II know that there's this special return value that gets intepreted as return from IRQ.
2016-11-03T04:12:15 < LeelooMinai> I mean address value really that goes into PC.
2016-11-03T04:12:40 < LeelooMinai> So my guess at that point, but I need to read more.
2016-11-03T04:13:20  * LeelooMinai opens the Yiu book thnking "right, like nothring will distract me in 10 minutes again"
2016-11-03T04:15:04 < LeelooMinai> Right, I think at that point it goes from "Handler Mode" to whatever is non-handler mode
2016-11-03T04:16:00 < LeelooMinai> So I guess one could manipulate the stack at this point, so that it returns to whatever place one wants.
2016-11-03T04:16:03 < jadew> I'm off to bed, night
2016-11-03T04:16:31 < LeelooMinai> Ok, now it's only me - great.
2016-11-03T04:25:01 < aandrew> nah I'm here for you
2016-11-03T04:25:02 < aandrew> lol
2016-11-03T04:25:38 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, it's kind of neat how ARM IRQ handling mechanisms work withl C compilers so that IRQ handlers can be treated as normal-ish functions.
2016-11-03T04:26:35 < LeelooMinai> I never used old micros like AVR, PIC, etc. Is writing IRQ handlers in them somehow more cumbersome?
2016-11-03T04:27:41 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: it's way easier
2016-11-03T04:28:01 < LeelooMinai> How can it be easier than just having C function? :/
2016-11-03T04:28:01 < ohsix> nvic isn't harder per-se tho
2016-11-03T04:28:14 < aandrew> ugh I fucking hate how they tuck the sheets in under the mattress in hotels
2016-11-03T04:28:18 < LeelooMinai> No, I mean writing the actual handler code.
2016-11-03T04:28:31 < ohsix> oh, weird, but yea i guess it's the sameish
2016-11-03T04:28:51 < ohsix> nvic might be easier cuz you don't need explicit irq exit or acknowledgement, but don't quote me on that
2016-11-03T04:30:03 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: I was more talking about the whole IRQ entry/exit procedure where there's no special IRQ RET code.
2016-11-03T04:30:21 < LeelooMinai> That is, there's no IRET or something like this, instead there's a "magic return address"
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2016-11-03T04:30:32 < aandrew> hm, generally on PIC and AVR you let the compiler know and it'll generate the correct entry/exit code
2016-11-03T04:30:35 < ohsix> it knows about the stack enough
2016-11-03T04:30:36 < ohsix> but yea
2016-11-03T04:31:00 < LeelooMinai> So some kind of attribute on a function?
2016-11-03T04:31:17 < ohsix> to use iret and setup the stack to C's liking
2016-11-03T04:31:25 < ohsix> which you can do with a trampoline too
2016-11-03T04:32:01 < decimad> is that pick&place video with the machine set to slow?
2016-11-03T04:32:09 < LeelooMinai> He said 50%
2016-11-03T04:32:35 < LeelooMinai> Seemed snow as a snail to me:)
2016-11-03T04:32:39 < LeelooMinai> slow*
2016-11-03T04:33:00 < ohsix> worked ona  little chinese scooter a bit today, it's nice how simple they are, even with emissions controls and everything, they basically can't break :D
2016-11-03T04:33:04 < ohsix> i want one now
2016-11-03T04:33:08 < LeelooMinai> But maybe that's because I have seen those videos on youtube of commercial machines doing that...
2016-11-03T04:33:25 < decimad> probably, they are amazing
2016-11-03T04:33:32 < LeelooMinai> Which was mostly a blur of something happening:)
2016-11-03T04:33:51 <@dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-37847056
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2016-11-03T04:34:28 < decimad> I would like to build such stuff, but getting precise linear actuators is a bit out of range :P
2016-11-03T04:35:23 < LeelooMinai> I could probably adapt my CNC to do this, but it uses stepper motors, so wouldn't be super-fast.
2016-11-03T04:35:34 < decimad> I mean not crap like a stepper on a threaded rod... that just sucks
2016-11-03T04:35:46 < LeelooMinai> But I don't really need to mass produce anything.
2016-11-03T04:35:59 < LeelooMinai> Right, I have proper ballscews
2016-11-03T04:36:24 < LeelooMinai> decimad: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/29276743343
2016-11-03T04:36:39 < decimad> I'm more thinking about linear motors... but even the scale for positioning those would not be affordable I guess^^
2016-11-03T04:36:42 < LeelooMinai> Made it and not even using it yet... 
2016-11-03T04:37:09 < ohsix> decimad: i know where you can buy them
2016-11-03T04:37:24 < ohsix> lead screws on steppers are pretty cheap, but slow
2016-11-03T04:38:35 < decimad> well, for a mill you need the stiffness... or are there other comparable ways?
2016-11-03T04:38:54 < decimad> but for pick&place you can go all out ^^
2016-11-03T04:39:13 < LeelooMinai> Well, the ICs are not very heavy:)
2016-11-03T04:39:14 < ohsix> trying to find a concise way to talk about backlash
2016-11-03T04:39:21 <@dongs> http://i.imgur.com/qKFzkTW.jpg
2016-11-03T04:39:32 < ohsix> for a mill you also want just plain mass, and ya stiffness, but you don't get that from the actuators
2016-11-03T04:40:20 < ohsix> you can arrange tool/gripper movement to factor out some backlash and stuff so you don't need super fine actuators, even really expensive good ones wear, and if you want long service life you do the same work
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2016-11-03T04:40:57 < decimad> how much does a 50 cm linear scale cost at the place you know where to buy them? :)
2016-11-03T04:41:01 < ohsix> dunno any way to demonstrate how crappy a thing can be but still do work
2016-11-03T04:41:09 < ohsix> sec
2016-11-03T04:41:23 < ohsix> ws kind of a joke cuz even tiny ones start at like 300
2016-11-03T04:41:33 < LeelooMinai> decimad: Depends what kind. Cheap calipper like one is cheap - like $30 maybe even. But glass ones can be more $100 I would think.
2016-11-03T04:41:50 < LeelooMinai> I am talking Aliexpress btw:)
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2016-11-03T04:42:30 < ohsix> i thought sdp/si did linear slides, but it's not in their databook
2016-11-03T04:42:37 < LeelooMinai> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Sino-optical-linear-glass-scale-with-covers-free-shipping/1737170647.htm
2016-11-03T04:43:01 < ohsix> i uh
2016-11-03T04:43:12 < ohsix> i saw a neat thing about the poles in refrigerator/strip magnets
2016-11-03T04:43:14 < LeelooMinai> Those are 5μm resolution. Overkill for p&P probably... And they have 1μm too
2016-11-03T04:43:35 < ohsix> i haven't rigged it up yet to see how badly it sucks, but you could use that with hall sensors to track the phase/position
2016-11-03T04:43:46 < LeelooMinai> Those are the chap ones: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-Accuracy-Remote-Digital-Readout-digital-linear-scale-5403-500/952334784.html
2016-11-03T04:43:52 < ohsix> the stuff you can bodge together is crap but it will still work pretty good
2016-11-03T04:43:56 < LeelooMinai> I have similar. 
2016-11-03T04:44:47 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_stage
2016-11-03T04:45:38 < ohsix> that first aliexpress link is a blank page with 'go to aliexpress home page'
2016-11-03T04:45:52 < LeelooMinai> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Sino-optical-linear-glass-scale-with-covers-free-shipping/1737170647.html
2016-11-03T04:45:53 < ohsix> second one, nice, that's cheap
2016-11-03T04:46:01 < LeelooMinai> The "l" has bean eaten
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2016-11-03T04:46:38 < LeelooMinai> The first one is basically a mutated calipper, so that's why it's cheap.
2016-11-03T04:46:47 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-03T04:46:53 < LeelooMinai> The glass one, well, those are the good ones, but extra $
2016-11-03T04:47:07 < ohsix> if you don't mind having really long ass pcb's made, you can make the pickup patterns for your own diy stuff
2016-11-03T04:47:15 < ohsix> they tend to be $$$ tho
2016-11-03T04:47:40 < ohsix> i gotta figure something out for a pal, bbl
2016-11-03T04:49:52 < decimad> and how much for an absolute one? :D
2016-11-03T04:50:59 < LeelooMinai> decimad: What do you need absolute for? You just home at the beginning and done.
2016-11-03T04:51:13 < decimad> to not home :D
2016-11-03T04:51:35 < LeelooMinai> Meh, it's only one operation when you power it.
2016-11-03T04:51:37 < decimad> what do you need a car for, you could take the bike to the supermarket :P
2016-11-03T04:52:00 < decimad> comfy!
2016-11-03T04:52:01 < LeelooMinai> I don't even know about the glass ones - if they are absolute or not.
2016-11-03T04:53:22 < decimad> with a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Bruijn_sequence you'd not even need more precision, just a hires linear sensor
2016-11-03T04:53:29 < decimad> more precision on the scale
2016-11-03T04:54:02 < ohsix> \m/ de bruijn
2016-11-03T04:54:35 < decimad> what does \m/ stand for
2016-11-03T04:54:35 < ohsix> absolute positioning is such a huge pain in the ass you'd really avoid it even where it is implied
2016-11-03T04:54:58 < ohsix> you need repeatability and homing is fine as long as the whoel assembly is stable across one set of tool movements
2016-11-03T04:55:02 < LeelooMinai> decimad: Metal horns gesture? I don't know:)
2016-11-03T04:55:18 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-03T04:55:22 < LeelooMinai> Maybe the "Dio" one:)
2016-11-03T04:55:24 < ohsix> long hair down, hands up, headbangin
2016-11-03T04:55:47 < ohsix> or just the horns, no idea; always thoguht it was headbangin since \o/ is just a head
2016-11-03T04:56:02 < decimad> :) okay
2016-11-03T04:56:04 < LeelooMinai> decimad: http://www.occultcenter.com/images/ronnie_james_dio.jpg :)
2016-11-03T04:56:31 < decimad> anyways, nice talking to you guys, need to catch sleep seriously!
2016-11-03T04:56:56 < LeelooMinai> Sleep, sleep
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2016-11-03T05:51:42 < upgrdman> lol. looks like he's very familiar with the motion  https://youtu.be/2zTjwmh5kzk?t=9
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2016-11-03T06:00:10 < ohsix> https://github.com/BreakingMalwareResearch/atom-bombing/blob/master/AtomBombing/main.cpp
2016-11-03T06:00:27 < ohsix> hola englais hombre
2016-11-03T06:02:22 < LeelooMinai> englishman: How much was yours?
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2016-11-03T07:02:29 < stvn> the stm32 club
2016-11-03T07:04:44 < ReadErr> oh man where is Laurenceb 
2016-11-03T07:04:47 < ReadErr> https://youtu.be/QGn-C0G6xcw?t=68
2016-11-03T07:05:05 < stvn> hi read
2016-11-03T07:05:13 < ReadErr> gday
2016-11-03T07:05:18 < stvn> gooday sport
2016-11-03T07:07:13 < ReadErr> what pappin
2016-11-03T07:09:59 < Thorn> Galaxy Vape 7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI8ovlxAnXU
2016-11-03T07:11:01 < ReadErr> ohhh shit
2016-11-03T07:11:53 < ReadErr> hopefully it was well vented 
2016-11-03T07:14:12 < stvn> what a fucken rat
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2016-11-03T07:47:55 < Kliment> ohsix: That would be "hombre ingles", adjectives generally come after the thing they modify in romance languages
2016-11-03T07:50:05 < LeelooMinai> So like "a man of honour"
2016-11-03T07:50:39 < LeelooMinai> Not sure what "of honour" is in English though - not an adjective (?)
2016-11-03T07:51:43 < LeelooMinai> Ok, preposition apparently.
2016-11-03T07:53:50 < LeelooMinai> So no hope - spanish will sound weird to others this way.
2016-11-03T08:13:06 < ohsix> Kliment: word, knew it was wrong but not how; haven't done spanish stuff in a while
2016-11-03T08:17:52 < ReadErr> https://slickdeals.net/f/9206143-dell-inspiron-3650-desktop-pc-i7-6700-16gb-ddr3l-2tb-hdd-amd-radeon-r9-360-579-free-shipping
2016-11-03T08:17:56 < ReadErr> seems like a good deal 
2016-11-03T08:18:08 < ReadErr> duno about the video card tho
2016-11-03T08:20:35 < ReadErr> https://slickdeals.net/f/9244027-rosewill-apollo-mechanical-keyboard-w-cherry-mx-brown-switches-for-29-99-ar-or-rosewill-mechanical-keyboard-w-cherry-mx-black-switches-for-24-99-ar-free-shipping-newegg-com
2016-11-03T08:20:37 < ReadErr> damn wild
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2016-11-03T08:26:47 < LeelooMinai> After reading all those articles about even-driven alternatives to "normal" RTOSes, I kind of wonder about some ideas.
2016-11-03T08:28:43 < LeelooMinai> For example, what if even dispatch and the scheduler were implemented on a cheap/small FPGA attached to the micro - could be kind of interesting: like having hardware accelerator for OS. Could also do some other things, like maybe timers' etc.
2016-11-03T08:28:52 < LeelooMinai> even=event
2016-11-03T08:30:36 < LeelooMinai> Of course they would need to be connected in some reasonable way - for example using the FSMC
2016-11-03T08:30:53 < jpa-> uh, would it really ever be slow enough that having a separate accelerator for it would make sense?
2016-11-03T08:32:15 < LeelooMinai> Is't switching speed very important for RTOses?
2016-11-03T08:32:59 < jpa-> sure, but most of the time is taken up by context saving & restoring
2016-11-03T08:33:07 < jpa-> not by calculating what to run next
2016-11-03T08:34:21 < LeelooMinai> Right, well, I am talking about event-driven scenario - I was thinking about accelerating event dispatch mainly.
2016-11-03T08:34:31 < jpa-> on cortex-m3 you have 64 bytes of context to write & restore; managing the priority queue in a tickless/event system is probably just a few steps of linked list traversal
2016-11-03T08:34:47 < jpa-> what part of event dispatch would you accelerate?
2016-11-03T08:35:19 < jpa-> to me it seems like event dispatch would be just    "look into the first event in priority queue, is it time yet? if not, set timer to alarm us when it happens"
2016-11-03T08:35:47 < LeelooMinai> Right, ok, but once you have that event you need to decide where to send it.
2016-11-03T08:36:17 < jpa-> decide? wouldn't the target be just stored in a variable associated with the event?
2016-11-03T08:36:27 < jpa-> as a function pointer or whatever
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2016-11-03T08:36:59 < LeelooMinai> That would tie it into the target though.
2016-11-03T08:37:24 < jpa-> how would you do it instead?
2016-11-03T08:37:50 < LeelooMinai> You have an event that is not tied to anything concrete?
2016-11-03T08:38:14 < jpa-> how would you dispatch it then?
2016-11-03T08:38:23 < jpa-> i.e. what would "decide" look like?
2016-11-03T08:39:05 < LeelooMinai> You would dispatch it on the basis of "what will accept this event" of course.
2016-11-03T08:39:17 < ohsix> what would you even accelerate? there are micros that do that, but you're just finding different ways to change working sets, which usually means register/stack/some other stuff
2016-11-03T08:39:28 < LeelooMinai> Or who is subscribed to it, listen to it, or whatever you want to call it.
2016-11-03T08:39:42 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Micros that do what?
2016-11-03T08:39:53 < jpa-> subscribers would be stored in just a linked list associated with the event
2016-11-03T08:40:22 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: accelerate task switching
2016-11-03T08:40:27 < jpa-> and if you want windows-style "send event to everyone, see whether anyone accepts it", i don't see how you could possibly accelerate that on fpga, because you would need to call a bunch of code
2016-11-03T08:41:00 < LeelooMinai> Well, you have a list then, then priorites to consider, and probably also some timing to consider, etc. - it starts to get non-trivial, and FPGA could do it probably under 1 cycle.
2016-11-03T08:41:34 < ohsix> if you think about what it means to be event driven, something is alertable, and it's used as an entrypoint to put the process that wants that resource to sleep, you enter the scheduler again to see if it is alerted then switch to that program
2016-11-03T08:41:34 < jpa-> FPGAs are not particularly good at sorting lists
2016-11-03T08:41:38 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: If you have initial info about "tasks" then you would know what they accept and not.
2016-11-03T08:42:08 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Well, and I would certainly not implement it by sorting list:p
2016-11-03T08:42:11 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: then you would be able to have all the necessary tasks associated with the event already
2016-11-03T08:42:18 < ohsix> also the thing falls apart when you have a set of alertable events, the only way you can really constrain it is to have few enough to close satisfactory timing
2016-11-03T08:42:43 < ohsix> there are other still, microcontrollers that have shadow stack and registers
2016-11-03T08:43:04 < ohsix> and things like the ti arm chips that have peripheral controllers
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2016-11-03T08:44:10 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: i still don't think what is the slow part you think you would be accelerating
2016-11-03T08:44:14 < jpa-> *know
2016-11-03T08:44:32 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Alterable events... But what are those and why do you need them? :)
2016-11-03T08:45:29 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Anything that can be accelerated in the even dispatch and the scheduler - does not have to be one single aspect of it.
2016-11-03T08:45:51 < ohsix> alertable just means they can be signalled, but it is things like mutexes and spinlocks and file descriptors
2016-11-03T08:45:54 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: i don't think there is anything that could be accelerated on an FPGA to obtain anything more than a few percents speedup
2016-11-03T08:46:28 < LeelooMinai> I mean once you define all the "tasks" and all the events between them, priorities, etc. you have a lot of static data that could be loaded onto the FPGA and "frozen" there.
2016-11-03T08:46:29 < jpa-> because context switch dominates the timing, and as ohsix says there are ways to optimize that but they involve shadow registers & other modifications to the CPU core
2016-11-03T08:46:56 <@dongs> oshit
2016-11-03T08:47:00 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: but handling that data is pretty fast already if you use proper data structures for the purpose
2016-11-03T08:47:05 <@dongs> zyp: the card i was trying to scan actaully is 15693
2016-11-03T08:47:44 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: How do you know it is fast? Did you look at some numbers?
2016-11-03T08:48:10 <@dongs> which is the only nfc t rash i have
2016-11-03T08:48:14 <@dongs> some house opening card
2016-11-03T08:48:39 < ohsix> speed is implied so you can pessimize other costs, eg. when you do irq response you avoid most of the context switch for a normal task switch
2016-11-03T08:48:46 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: I don't think it's that fast: to walk those lists, etc. modifie them, will take time.
2016-11-03T08:48:57 < ohsix> well, 'speed', something is either sufficient or not when you're talking about determinism and meeting a deadline
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2016-11-03T08:49:58 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Ok, but I am talking about RTOS design, not some particular case - you need to make it as fast as you can.
2016-11-03T08:50:23 < LeelooMinai> Unlesss your goal is not to make it too fast or something:)
2016-11-03T08:50:37 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: i've implemented one event queue thing at work, at event dispatch i only need to take the first linked list entry off the priority queue, which means just writing 4 bytes to memory (updating one pointer)
2016-11-03T08:51:00 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Ok, but what do you do with this event then?
2016-11-03T08:51:08 < jpa-> it has a function pointer i call
2016-11-03T08:51:29 < jpa-> if i wanted a producer/subscriber model instead, it would have a list of function pointers
2016-11-03T08:51:41 < LeelooMinai> Ok, then it's not a decaupled event - it has hard-wired destination, so kind of not what I was talking about.
2016-11-03T08:52:06 < jpa-> if i wanted a "who wants this event" model, i would be totally stupid, but still i wouldn't see how FPGA would help there
2016-11-03T08:52:50 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Why woild you be stupid? Many times something will produce events that then other modules (more than one at a time) have use for.
2016-11-03T08:53:45 < LeelooMinai> And it's good that you do not hard-wire this, because you have decoupled scenario that will scale well and will not need modifucations if you have new uses for those events.
2016-11-03T08:54:28 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: to me it seems that "who wants this event" model does not scale well, because you will be asking every task "do you want this?" instead of the task simply subscribing to the event
2016-11-03T08:55:05 < jpa-> decoupling is achieved much better by subscribing to the events; i didn't need that, but it would be trivial do with just a list of function pointers
2016-11-03T08:55:08 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: No, that was my point - the accelerator would imediatelly optimize it and just return a bit vector for the tasks that actually want this event.
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2016-11-03T08:56:36 < jpa-> if the accelerator can do that, the tasks must have subscribed to the event before it happens
2016-11-03T08:57:00 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but that can be compile-time info.
2016-11-03T08:57:21 < jpa-> yeah, and in that case it can be trivially made into a list of function pointers that you call at event dispatch
2016-11-03T08:58:14 < jpa-> by "who wants this event" model i mean windows-style, where it does   foreach (task in all_tasks) { if (task.accepts(event)) {task.process(event);} }
2016-11-03T08:58:26 < LeelooMinai> Right, well, maybe it can be done efficiently. I have no full picture of the whole system yet - was just wondering if some kind of acceleration would make sense... not 100% sure.
2016-11-03T08:58:57 < jpa-> ok, well in that case i'll be happy to point out my opinion that no, there are no accelerations that an external FPGA could reasonably achieve
2016-11-03T08:59:18 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: That's a pretty bold claim:)
2016-11-03T08:59:29 < jpa-> i'm a pretty bold person
2016-11-03T09:00:07 < jpa-> but i can elaborate if you want
2016-11-03T09:03:42 < jpa-> IMO the parts that take time in event dispatch are, from slowest to fastest:   1. Saving old registers (if pre-emptive scheduler) (~16 cycles)  2. Restoring new registers (if pre-emptive scheduler) (~16 cycles)  3. Interrupt latency (~12 cycles)   4. Checking if event run time has been reached (~4 cycles)  4. Updating linked list priority queue (~4 cycles)  5. Jumping to new code (~2 cycles)
2016-11-03T09:04:03 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: you need some place to start, 'as fast as you can' means you might end up doing it with some nand gates or something, all the way up through much simpler microcontrollers
2016-11-03T09:04:18 < jpa-> of these, 4. and.. 4.  could be possibly moved to FPGA, but considering that a single FSMC access is atleast 4 cycles, i doubt you could get any benefit
2016-11-03T09:04:43 < ohsix> you can usually get close to best case execution times by limiting the amount of code that needs to run that way
2016-11-03T09:05:43 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Hoiw can you update priority queue in 4 cycles?
2016-11-03T09:06:06 < LeelooMinai> Shouldn't it sort on insertion?
2016-11-03T09:06:24 < jpa-> event dispatch doesn't involve inserting anything
2016-11-03T09:06:40 < LeelooMinai> So what is in that priority queue...
2016-11-03T09:07:22 <@dongs> don't forget saving FPU registers
2016-11-03T09:07:37 < jpa-> dongs: yep, extra cycles there if one uses FPU
2016-11-03T09:08:01 <@dongs> actually if you just use FPU in one place and never in IRQ i heard it wasnt needed
2016-11-03T09:08:25 < LeelooMinai> There are optimisations in ARM that can avoid FPU dynamically.
2016-11-03T09:08:49 < LeelooMinai> That is, if you call something that does not touch them, they don't need to be saved.
2016-11-03T09:08:59 < jpa-> struct task_t { task_t *next_task; uint64_t time_to_run; event_handler_t *handlers; };  struct event_handler_t {void(*handler)(void*); void *context;};
2016-11-03T09:09:08 < LeelooMinai> avoid saving FPU registers that is*
2016-11-03T09:09:43 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: yeah, but that only works if only one task uses FPU.. otherwise you always need to save in context switch i think, you can only avoid saving for interrupts
2016-11-03T09:10:00 < jpa-> but anyway, that "~16 cycles" was without FPU
2016-11-03T09:10:05 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Hmm, is that how you implemented it? Not sure why you have timing there - I would thing that for timing I would just send timing messages...
2016-11-03T09:10:31 < LeelooMinai> I mean events
2016-11-03T09:11:11 < jpa-> yeah, it depends, i needed a timing-oriented one and actually don't have priority there
2016-11-03T09:11:32 < jpa-> one could choose any combination of stuff you want, timing, priority etc. to sort the events by
2016-11-03T09:12:10 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Maybe you know btw: it seems that in that one implementation I looked at they have separate queue for each "task". Any reason for it? My first thought would be that there can be just one queue in the dispatcher (?)
2016-11-03T09:13:28 < LeelooMinai> Also not sure what happens if those queues overflow...
2016-11-03T09:13:43 < jpa-> dunno why you would even have multiple tasks (i'm assuming by "task" you mean "separate stack") if doing pure event-based scheduling; you could just pre-empt lower priority event handlers
2016-11-03T09:14:15 < LeelooMinai> Yes, well, it's just naming - they are more like handlers there and live on one stack.
2016-11-03T09:14:35 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: I am talking about this thing: http://www.embedded.com/design/prototyping-and-development/4025691/Build-a-Super-Simple-Tasker
2016-11-03T09:15:02 < LeelooMinai> I think this went later into that whole QuantumLeap RTOS-like thing that is commercial now.
2016-11-03T09:15:31 < LeelooMinai> Well, it is still opensource, but they have commercial licences, etc.
2016-11-03T09:16:50 < LeelooMinai> It can preempt if a task posts a message or IRQ happens.
2016-11-03T09:17:17 < LeelooMinai> But seems it all is done by calls, there's not task-switching like in normal RTOS that is.
2016-11-03T09:18:10 < jpa-> seems like higher priority tasks cannot pause to let lower priority ones run
2016-11-03T09:18:24 < LeelooMinai> It's "RUn to completion"
2016-11-03T09:18:27 < jpa-> yeah
2016-11-03T09:18:33 < jpa-> pretty basic, but totally unnecessary on cortex-m because with NVIC you can do all that in hardware
2016-11-03T09:19:04 < LeelooMinai> How so?
2016-11-03T09:19:14 < jpa-> just that run-to-completion rarely works that well in practice.. which is why one wouldn't usually have a pure event-based system but a combination of tasks & events
2016-11-03T09:19:37 < ohsix> reading the buffer
2016-11-03T09:20:17 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: So, what's the problem with it? From what I read there it looked pretty usable.
2016-11-03T09:20:19 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: well only source that can interrupt a running task there is either a post() call by that thread, or an interrupt doing the post() call.. so just run the handler inside the post(), then higher priority interrupts can still pre-empt further etc.
2016-11-03T09:21:36 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: But then you would need interrupt-like something for normal tasks - how can you do that in hardware? :/
2016-11-03T09:21:45 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: consider for example: 1) i have a high-priority logging thread that writes to SD card; sometimes it has to wait for SD transfers to complete   2) i have a low-priority UI task I would like to run in the meantime     but with a run-to-completion system i would have to rewrite fatfs etc. so that it will return all the way out when waiting for the SD card
2016-11-03T09:21:54 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: SVcall
2016-11-03T09:22:03 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: But it cannot even nest...
2016-11-03T09:22:31 < LeelooMinai> Well, I think... I mean how could it if it can only have one priority assigned.
2016-11-03T09:22:54 < LeelooMinai> So if you want two tasks that use it... I don't see how it can work.
2016-11-03T09:23:29 < jpa-> in a pre-empting run-to-completion scheduler, once a task is running, there will not be anything to nest until an interrupt happens or the task calls a scheduler function
2016-11-03T09:24:06 < jpa-> but yeah, it only works for run-to-completion
2016-11-03T09:24:14 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Couldn't you reorganize your SD card example?
2016-11-03T09:24:39 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: sure, with a lot of work rewriting fatfs libraries etc.
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2016-11-03T09:25:07 < jpa-> or i could just use a normal scheduler that doesn't force run-to-completion
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2016-11-03T09:25:40 <@dongs> i thought you were busy? arguing wiht autism hardly sounds like productive way to spend time
2016-11-03T09:25:43 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Well, if you want to mix-in code that is not even-driven, that's kind of outside of my "problems".
2016-11-03T09:26:10 <@dongs> anyway looks like NFC reading shit works.
2016-11-03T09:26:12 <@dongs> got back tag ID
2016-11-03T09:26:34 <@dongs> board is generating like -5dBm at 13mhz with probe on top of pcb
2016-11-03T09:26:40 < jpa-> dongs: lol, only work-busy and baby-busy, as in no free time but slacking on work as usual
2016-11-03T09:26:58 <@dongs> -25dBm about 10cm above. no idea how that matches with anything
2016-11-03T09:27:05 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: yeah, if you don't need to reuse any existing libraries then you can do it easily with NVIC
2016-11-03T09:27:10 < LeelooMinai> "OMG, someone is talking to people on my ignore list :O I need to discredit them now..."
2016-11-03T09:27:29 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: stop being so butthurt or i'll be ignoring you too :)
2016-11-03T09:27:46 < stvn> sup stm32
2016-11-03T09:27:48 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Why are you telling me this:) He started it:p
2016-11-03T09:28:20 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: 'who wants this event' is not too different than multiple threads waiting in read on an fd, you have to decide which to wake up, or wake them all and only one gets to read
2016-11-03T09:28:57 <@dongs> hm dBm seems equal to waht i get when placing antenna + card behind my phone
2016-11-03T09:29:09 < LeelooMinai> The guy in the article argues that threads+blocking is kind of error prone - not sure if that's the case, but he is very adamant about it.
2016-11-03T09:30:02 < jpa-> LeelooMinai: because he's being just a jerk, which is on-par for this channel; you are being a butthurt whiny
2016-11-03T09:30:09 < LeelooMinai> I think he also claimed that if threads are blocking that means they cannot be easily modified for other scenarios.
2016-11-03T09:30:58 < LeelooMinai> jpa-: Am I? Or maybe I am just oposing his jerkiness in my way...
2016-11-03T09:32:22 <@dongs> maaahh feeefeeees
2016-11-03T09:32:43 <@dongs> I would have no problems chatting with LeeManMinai as a professional to professional
2016-11-03T09:32:59 <@dongs> but it doesnt work.
2016-11-03T09:33:27 < jpa-> yep, decided the same
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2016-11-03T09:41:10 <@dongs> zyp: http://i.imgur.com/eeJUZPz.jpg reads ID at that distance just fine, starts to lose some bits above 6cm
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2016-11-03T09:51:01 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: i've tried to talk to you a few times about at least being a better communicator and it doesn't work, i'm not a bigot; zyp tried to the other day too (yesterday?)
2016-11-03T09:51:19 < ohsix> as to the scheduler junk, i was thinking about that the other day too
2016-11-03T09:51:40 < ohsix> using something like apcs to queue work and have the 'sleeping' thread just run the tasklets
2016-11-03T09:51:55 < ohsix> but, you just end up with a two level scheduler and it's clearer to just do that instead of mess with tasklets
2016-11-03T09:52:25 < ohsix> you could try and constrain code you prepare as a tasklet, like restrain size, or have queues that are related to availability of a thing, instead of just idle
2016-11-03T09:52:34 < ohsix> but, it is all a wash
2016-11-03T09:53:03 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: you don't, and this isn't an accusation, and when you're doing it poorly people try and help
2016-11-03T09:53:35 < ohsix> i read past people all the time when i'm more interested in what i'm thinking about but i'm not really communicating it, so it's pretty familiar
2016-11-03T09:54:07 < ohsix> i can't think of anything specific right now, but you're using dongs as an excuse
2016-11-03T09:54:59 < ohsix> i've tried to 'win' arguments based on people being racist or obnoxious or whatever, but i was the only one making those value judgements, other people were just taking the positive bits and ignoring the rest
2016-11-03T09:55:37 < ohsix> it's why i left ##electronics, people who were being nice were just stringing me along, and it was mostly about bs arguments i'd get in with you :p i'm glad i don't feel super compelled to do that anymore
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2016-11-03T09:55:52 < ohsix> k, moving on is a good idea
2016-11-03T09:56:06 < ohsix> an event?
2016-11-03T09:56:09 < ohsix> where does it send it to
2016-11-03T09:56:26 < ohsix> freertos does have a timer thread and it sort of works like that
2016-11-03T09:56:28 <@dongs> hmm. tek gets completely useless with narrow RF spans
2016-11-03T09:56:42 <@dongs> really slow
2016-11-03T09:56:48 <@dongs> increasing RBW of course trashes resolution
2016-11-03T09:56:56 < ohsix> well
2016-11-03T09:57:08 < ohsix> hypothetically you can do things like that, but you end up with a lot of things that are like that timer task
2016-11-03T09:57:22 < ohsix> then they need to know about eachother to communicate resources they're both interested in
2016-11-03T09:57:46 < ohsix> and you're back to the problem of a kernel that knows about timers and fds and other objects you can sleep on
2016-11-03T09:58:12 < ohsix> i keep trying to draw things to concrete
2016-11-03T09:58:24 < ohsix> so how are the tasks scheduled?
2016-11-03T09:58:57 < ohsix> say you have a task that lets you read from a file, the timer task and this read task will be peers on a hypothetical system
2016-11-03T09:59:08 < ohsix> o
2016-11-03T09:59:11 < ohsix> er
2016-11-03T09:59:26 < ohsix> so the task 'waits' 10us, but to wait it is scheduled and just burns cpu cycles?
2016-11-03T09:59:56 < ohsix> once you have the scheduler scheduling processes based on a timer tick, time is implied, and you should do it directly
2016-11-03T10:00:06 < ohsix> find an example that is less obvious than a timer task
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2016-11-03T10:00:48 < ohsix> what would the scheduler do with the task? see it was 'primed' and ready to be woken and skip it over when it was scheduled?
2016-11-03T10:01:20 < ohsix> let me see if i can put this together all at once an in a coherent way
2016-11-03T10:01:30 < ohsix> then there are no tasks
2016-11-03T10:02:00 < ohsix> all switches between 'tasks' would be explicit
2016-11-03T10:02:19 < ohsix> then you just have a cooperative scheduler
2016-11-03T10:02:55 < ohsix> i love the screenshot of turbo c in there
2016-11-03T10:03:16 < ohsix> what happens when a task is preempted? which event switches back to it? it was interrupted in progress
2016-11-03T10:04:02 < ohsix> like, i can read this article later, it looks interesting at least; but basically your'e trying to explain what it is to me
2016-11-03T10:04:52 < ohsix> how? it was interrupted arbitrarily in progress
2016-11-03T10:08:58 < ohsix> the irq wont return to where the process was interrupted by itself
2016-11-03T10:09:14 < ohsix> that's what the scheduler does, when a process is suspended or switched away from, it saves the context to return to it later
2016-11-03T10:09:41 < ohsix> you can take my word for it, or not; that there isn't really such a thing as a 'normal rtos'
2016-11-03T10:09:51 < ohsix> by definition they're almost all really weird
2016-11-03T10:10:14 < ohsix> in order to preempt you have to return to where you left off
2016-11-03T10:10:22 < ohsix> do you mean they're just switched away from at a safe point?
2016-11-03T10:10:36 < ohsix> or that the irq entry can handle alle ventualities from interruption
2016-11-03T10:11:02 < ohsix> normal OS's have vm's and tlbs and page tables and shit, they're almost by definition not an rtos because of it
2016-11-03T10:11:26 < ohsix> look at 11 though
2016-11-03T10:11:48 < ohsix> it's just returning to the scheduler, but it has to return somewhere
2016-11-03T10:12:22 < ohsix> their use of 'interrupt' is different from irq's
2016-11-03T10:12:56 < ohsix> it goes to 10 then to 14
2016-11-03T10:13:03 < ohsix> how is this different from a regular scheduler?
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2016-11-03T10:13:25 < ohsix> it just seems to have 3 scheduling classes
2016-11-03T10:13:44 < ohsix> and interrupt thrown in because whatever
2016-11-03T10:13:56 < ohsix> they're also color coded
2016-11-03T10:14:09 < ohsix> eh but anyways, communication doesn't really seem to be happening
2016-11-03T10:14:16 < ohsix> i'll read the article when i can
2016-11-03T10:14:38 < ohsix> the irq isn't relevant, that works exactly like an OS with different priority levels
2016-11-03T10:14:55 < ohsix> you can start tasks that you immediately switch to and run to completion in ~any rtos
2016-11-03T10:15:02 < ohsix> you can even pass your own stack
2016-11-03T10:15:21 < ohsix> no i said there is no preemption withotu being able to resume what you interrupted
2016-11-03T10:15:43 < ohsix> 9 and 11 seem the most interesting thign about that
2016-11-03T10:16:07 < ohsix> this isn't really any different from a regular scheduler :\
2016-11-03T10:16:48 < ohsix> he's calling one transition interrupt, then creating a new task in that context with higher priority, rescheduling, returning, then going back to the scheduler again when the irq task is done
2016-11-03T10:17:02 < ohsix> i'm not telling you it isn't as a trick
2016-11-03T10:17:05 < ohsix> it really is no different
2016-11-03T10:17:19 < ohsix> why don't you go try and find out why i might say that
2016-11-03T10:17:47 < ohsix> it's what i'd do, and the only reason i'm mentioning it
2016-11-03T10:18:07 < ohsix> if people repeat something and it still confuses me or doesn't make sense, i find reasons why they would be doing that
2016-11-03T10:24:31 < Fleck> gm!
2016-11-03T10:25:26 < Fleck> good morning! :D
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2016-11-03T10:31:51 < ohsix> nah i don't have anything to add until i read that article
2016-11-03T10:31:55 < ohsix> which i can't do atm
2016-11-03T10:34:29 < ohsix> i'm exposed in an obvious way to lots of people tha tmanage their time better than i do, i gotta up my game
2016-11-03T10:35:28 < ohsix> ReadErr: lool i didn't make my phone beep for the whiny little bitch thing, missed it
2016-11-03T10:36:45 < ReadErr> which thing?
2016-11-03T10:36:51 < ReadErr> full frontal ?
2016-11-03T10:37:15 < ohsix> https://www.facebook.com/Maher/videos/10154140360857297/
2016-11-03T10:37:24 < ohsix> was a few hours ago
2016-11-03T10:38:57 < ohsix> hm
2016-11-03T10:38:57 < ReadErr> oh kewl
2016-11-03T10:39:02 < ohsix> youtube-dl seems to be able to get it
2016-11-03T10:39:05 < ReadErr> theres no obama tho?
2016-11-03T10:39:51 < ohsix> oh nah this isn't his normal show
2016-11-03T10:39:57 < ohsix> this was just a thing to use up his trump jokes
2016-11-03T10:43:10 < ohsix> git version of youtube-dl can get hd stream 1608381676125127v
2016-11-03T10:43:35 < ReadErr> damn hes shitting all over trumpist
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2016-11-03T10:49:16 < ohsix> facebook is creepy
2016-11-03T10:49:42 < stvn> dongs, eh
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2016-11-03T10:50:43 <@dongs> what
2016-11-03T10:51:00 < stvn> is your spectrum anal slow?
2016-11-03T10:51:11 <@dongs> yes
2016-11-03T10:51:15 <@dongs> as shit
2016-11-03T10:51:24 < stvn> so is mine, with qpeak especially
2016-11-03T10:51:27 <@dongs> no idea why
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2016-11-03T10:52:17 <@dongs> i was trying to watch like 10khz band for NFC
2016-11-03T10:52:19 < ohsix> hrm heh what, thoguht vlc would be better now that i can finally use a newer version. NOPE, WAY WORSE
2016-11-03T10:52:28 < stvn> mmmmmm
2016-11-03T10:52:30 <@dongs> and if I let it work at defaults it would refresh once like 10 seconds
2016-11-03T10:52:34 < stvn> span?
2016-11-03T10:52:38 <@dongs> 10khz span yeah
2016-11-03T10:52:42 <@dongs> at 13.56 center
2016-11-03T10:52:46 < stvn> i see
2016-11-03T10:52:56 <@dongs> if I increased RBW to make it faster, the resolution went to shit
2016-11-03T10:53:02 < stvn> as it does
2016-11-03T10:53:14 < stvn> i cant remember wtf vbw does
2016-11-03T10:53:35 < ohsix> wat models you have m8
2016-11-03T10:54:02 < ohsix> slow with 10khz span sounds like scope with software shit
2016-11-03T10:56:45 < stvn> .
2016-11-03T10:58:14 < ohsix> ya m8
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2016-11-03T10:59:11 < Steffanx> Steeeveeey
2016-11-03T10:59:55 < stvn> g
2016-11-03T11:00:46 < stvn> whats pumpin mr.x
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2016-11-03T11:08:31 < ReadErr> kik ohsix 
2016-11-03T11:08:38 < stvn> tha sky
2016-11-03T11:08:39 < ReadErr> talking about his daughter jerking him off
2016-11-03T11:10:43 < stvn> ok
2016-11-03T11:11:15 < ohsix> huhu
2016-11-03T11:11:22 < ohsix> i'm at 12 minutes
2016-11-03T11:11:28 < ohsix> downloaded and rejiggered
2016-11-03T11:12:35 < ohsix> ReadErr: tvshow time seems to be working out p. good too
2016-11-03T11:12:48 < ohsix> notifications are still weird, i guess they're crowdsourced or something
2016-11-03T11:13:04 < ReadErr> does it have a calendar view with everything?
2016-11-03T11:14:18 < ohsix> i think it does, but i haven't used it; i added the shows i wanted to hear about and have been using it
2016-11-03T11:14:27 < ohsix> checked off westworld which i caught up with last night and shiz
2016-11-03T11:14:57 < ohsix> i'm gonna get the daily show down to twice a month or something heheh
2016-11-03T11:15:11 < ohsix> def not regularly watching but i get the last week or two and it's like 12 minutes of content
2016-11-03T11:15:18 < ohsix> his interviews blow
2016-11-03T11:16:09 < ReadErr> dailyshow is horrible
2016-11-03T11:16:19 < ohsix> it's not the worst, but yea it's a shame
2016-11-03T11:16:20 < ReadErr> lmk when it turns good
2016-11-03T11:16:24 < ohsix> will do
2016-11-03T11:16:47 < ReadErr> they could have picked a way better person for that
2016-11-03T11:16:47 <@dongs> i can  tell you that one
2016-11-03T11:16:49 <@dongs> never.
2016-11-03T11:16:58 < ohsix> there isn't really a lot to report really, trump has all that media locked down, and the way the daily show is going they're just more of the same
2016-11-03T11:17:06 < ohsix> i don't think so
2016-11-03T11:17:19 < ohsix> it's just a really different show
2016-11-03T11:17:39 < ohsix> it took like 3 years or something for jon stewart to find shit that was good, and writers that were good
2016-11-03T11:17:43 < ReadErr> you seen the vice nightly shit?
2016-11-03T11:17:52 < ohsix> almost all the staff left when jon did
2016-11-03T11:17:56 < ohsix> not yet
2016-11-03T11:17:58 < ReadErr> well the guy just dosnt have the presence and delivery 
2016-11-03T11:18:04 < ReadErr> its just awkward 
2016-11-03T11:18:07 < ohsix> i'll add that to tvshow time tho, forgot
2016-11-03T11:18:21 < ohsix> sure
2016-11-03T11:18:33 < ohsix> i don't want to keep talking about it tho, we both sort of agree it sucks and this is ##stm32 :p
2016-11-03T11:19:15 < ohsix> except for the last thing, jon stewart was amazing and everything is going to be shit for a long time in comparison, until they can have a personality/identity of their own
2016-11-03T11:19:30 <@dongs> ReadErr: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2016-11-03T11:19:35 < ReadErr> sorry sir
2016-11-03T11:19:38 <@dongs> no problem
2016-11-03T11:20:04 <@dongs> unfortunately ohsix asked to suck cock and got unignored from channel logs, so now there's so much noise and very little signal.
2016-11-03T11:20:13 < ReadErr> dongs: did you ever see that terry davis tweet that could have been written by you
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2016-11-03T11:20:16 < ReadErr> about github
2016-11-03T11:20:35 <@dongs> no, but i doubt thats stm32 related, either
2016-11-03T11:20:54 < ReadErr> "GITHUB is a CIA Jew Scheme to waste man hour and cripple programming and jedi min trick and lock and key. And monitor"
2016-11-03T11:21:00 < stvn> Steffanx, come back
2016-11-03T11:21:13 < ohsix> haha
2016-11-03T11:21:20 < ohsix> yea man
2016-11-03T11:21:27 < ReadErr> only thing its missing is the n-bomb
2016-11-03T11:21:28 < ohsix> nevermind that i couldn't be doing the work i do without it
2016-11-03T11:21:33 < ohsix> they're clever, them
2016-11-03T11:21:44 < stvn> better get me a dek1098
2016-11-03T11:22:00 < ohsix> sup steef
2016-11-03T11:22:04 <@dongs> yeah no, sounds pretty boring
2016-11-03T11:22:32 < ohsix> ReadErr: no vice nightly being capped yet, apparently, will check it out when it is
2016-11-03T11:22:49 < ReadErr> I wonder if they are going to make a F6
2016-11-03T11:22:56 < ReadErr> with the F3 periph
2016-11-03T11:23:06 < ReadErr> and sensible packages
2016-11-03T11:23:06 < ohsix> are they?
2016-11-03T11:23:09 < ReadErr> I duno
2016-11-03T11:23:26 < ohsix> i don't think they'll fill that space
2016-11-03T11:23:40 < ohsix> that's marketing gunk to put the f7 'far' and higher above all the other segments/parts
2016-11-03T11:24:22 < ReadErr> I wonder why they didnt do the F3 usarts on the F7
2016-11-03T11:24:28 < ReadErr> they have the technology obviously 
2016-11-03T11:24:34 < ReadErr> doubt it would cost anymore
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2016-11-03T11:25:14 < ohsix> they probably couldn't get the ip from arm or it was too expensive
2016-11-03T11:25:19 < ohsix> what's different about them?
2016-11-03T11:25:30 < ReadErr> inversion, can switch tx/rx
2016-11-03T11:25:44 < ohsix> but reg layout is the same?
2016-11-03T11:26:28 < ReadErr> the same as what
2016-11-03T11:26:40 < ohsix> the uarts on the f3
2016-11-03T11:26:40 < ReadErr> you just write to some registers to enable/disable 
2016-11-03T11:26:45 < ReadErr> the features
2016-11-03T11:26:52 < ohsix> right
2016-11-03T11:27:05 < ohsix> er so what you were saying is why did they add them for the f7?
2016-11-03T11:27:17 < ohsix> i thought the ip would be much mor edifferent cuz i hadn't read about it
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2016-11-03T11:27:31 < ReadErr> single wire half duplex
2016-11-03T11:27:40 < ReadErr> the L4 has these
2016-11-03T11:27:43 < ReadErr> apparently
2016-11-03T11:28:24 < ohsix> brb
2016-11-03T11:28:49 < ReadErr> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/training/technical/product_training/4f/cc/bb/f7/04/99/41/66/STM32L4_Peripheral_USART.pdf/files/STM32L4_Peripheral_USART.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.STM32L4_Peripheral_USART.pdf
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2016-11-03T11:30:40 < ohsix> ReadErr: have you used sigrok/pulseview
2016-11-03T11:30:56 < ohsix> finally got a chance to really mess with it, new to LAs in general, but it's neato
2016-11-03T11:31:07 < ReadErr> i used it once
2016-11-03T11:31:09 < ohsix> i wanna find something i can reverse engineer
2016-11-03T11:31:10 < stvn> pretty good hey
2016-11-03T11:31:12 < ReadErr> since its csv output was better
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2016-11-03T11:32:20 < ReadErr> but mostly just used the saleae stuff since its pretty and easy 
2016-11-03T11:32:33 < ohsix> werd
2016-11-03T11:32:50 < ReadErr> i wonder if china has cloned their new one yet
2016-11-03T11:32:52 < ohsix> i like how useful this stuff is but it's not obviously complicated
2016-11-03T11:33:10 < ohsix> i gotta order some high speed stuff to dick w/ fx2 too
2016-11-03T11:33:43 < stvn> whats it do
2016-11-03T11:35:11 < ohsix> it records output from a bunch of different EE equipment, mines a logic analyzer and there are protocol decoders and stuff to show what is happening
2016-11-03T11:35:36 < ohsix> it's got support for a bunch of dmms and some gpib stuff, basically if it's related to electronics you can record data with it
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2016-11-03T11:37:02 < ohsix> hehehe that at presentation uses F<sub<ck
2016-11-03T11:37:08 < ohsix> comments make it look like fuck
2016-11-03T11:37:54 < Ecco> Does powering an OpAmp from a GPIO seem like a dumb idea?
2016-11-03T11:38:01 < stvn> probably
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2016-11-03T11:39:03 < ohsix> nope
2016-11-03T11:39:06 < Ecco> Even if it draws little current?
2016-11-03T11:39:13 < Ecco> It should draw a few mA max
2016-11-03T11:39:19 < ohsix> you've got the obvious current limit, but the gpio pin will also let you turn it off when you don't need it
2016-11-03T11:39:34 < Ecco> which is exactly why I would like to power it from a GPIO
2016-11-03T11:39:39 < Ecco> so that I can turn it off
2016-11-03T11:40:40 < stvn> excellent
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2016-11-03T11:42:58 < stvn> please tell me more about your project
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2016-11-03T11:46:23 < ReadErr> is it still that calculator ?
2016-11-03T11:47:58 < stvn> i'm keen to find out
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2016-11-03T11:48:39 < ohsix> :< i wanna build a calculator
2016-11-03T11:48:48 < ohsix> mostly because it'd be shit :D
2016-11-03T11:49:55 < ReadErr> you want to build a shitty calculator ?
2016-11-03T11:50:16 < stvn> no
2016-11-03T11:50:16 < stvn> i have the best calculator in the world
2016-11-03T11:50:30 < ReadErr> your phone?
2016-11-03T11:50:54 < stvn> https://edu.casio.com/products/standard/fx100ms/images/fx100ms_image.jpg
2016-11-03T11:55:07 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN5UfJA2evY
2016-11-03T11:55:56 < ohsix> ReadErr: it would be shitty
2016-11-03T11:55:59 < ohsix> i'd learn how to make it less
2016-11-03T11:56:15 < ohsix> stvn: nice that's like the ti 30 sx
2016-11-03T11:56:55 < ohsix> i've got the fx-115es
2016-11-03T11:56:57 < ohsix> it's gr8
2016-11-03T11:57:06 < ReadErr> I still have my ti-98 somewhere
2016-11-03T11:57:19 < ReadErr> https://education.ti.com/en/us/products/calculators/graphing-calculators/ti-89-titanium/features/features-summary
2016-11-03T11:57:33 < ReadErr> was kewl since you could hook it up over usb and put notes in it
2016-11-03T11:57:37 < ReadErr> for exam hax
2016-11-03T11:57:47 < stvn> i have a few myself
2016-11-03T11:57:47 < stvn> i liked it when we couldn't take them into exams
2016-11-03T11:57:47 < stvn> all the darkies failed
2016-11-03T11:57:47 < stvn> was fucking great
2016-11-03T11:58:19 < ReadErr> eh they didnt help much except for chem
2016-11-03T11:58:20 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEzGCGUWgKY heh neat
2016-11-03T11:59:06 < stvn> my autism powers give me good memory
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2016-11-03T11:59:42 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darcy_friction_factor_formulae#Colebrook.E2.80.93White_equation
2016-11-03T12:00:12 < stvn> or maybe it was because all the nuggets played android games in lectures
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2016-11-03T12:01:20 < stvn> they'd copy each other's lab reports and i'd smash them all because the weighting with the exams
2016-11-03T12:06:59 < ReadErr> they copied the wrong answers?
2016-11-03T12:07:02 < ReadErr> smart
2016-11-03T12:07:06 < stvn> heh
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2016-11-03T12:10:05 < ReadErr> is "Before the Flood" any good? anyone seen?
2016-11-03T12:10:14 < ReadErr> guess its bout that global warming myth
2016-11-03T12:14:04 < stvn> pumpers
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2016-11-03T12:52:07 < ReadErr> stvn: lets do some biker p and sperge 
2016-11-03T12:53:04 < stvn> pumpers
2016-11-03T12:54:29 < stvn> im just reworking a few boards for cunts
2016-11-03T12:54:55 < ReadErr> stack that cunny
2016-11-03T12:55:47 < stvn> grab em by the pussy
2016-11-03T12:56:15 < ReadErr> when ur rich, you can do anything you want
2016-11-03T12:57:50 < stvn> automatically attracted to beautiful
2016-11-03T12:59:00 < ReadErr> sometimes I just have to kiss them
2016-11-03T12:59:22 < stvn> lol
2016-11-03T13:00:16 <@dongs> http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37857785 wat
2016-11-03T13:00:21 < stvn> god bless america
2016-11-03T13:00:30 < ReadErr> its not rape if your rich, babe
2016-11-03T13:01:42 < stvn> lell
2016-11-03T13:02:36 < Ecco> I'm trying to build a current sensor using an opamp
2016-11-03T13:02:46 < Ecco> I have a low value resistor in series with my load
2016-11-03T13:02:51 <@dongs> arent there less autistic ways to do it
2016-11-03T13:02:53 < Ecco> and the opamp in differential amplifier
2016-11-03T13:03:14 < stvn> low is not a measurement
2016-11-03T13:03:25 < Ecco> I'm simulating the whole thing in SPICE
2016-11-03T13:03:31 < stvn> what the fuck is spice?
2016-11-03T13:03:34 < Ecco> http://i.imgur.com/UnpEybG.png
2016-11-03T13:03:37 <@dongs> SPiCE
2016-11-03T13:03:58 <@dongs> why they dont have things like
2016-11-03T13:04:00 <@dongs> 1MOhm
2016-11-03T13:04:03 <@dongs> or 10kOhm
2016-11-03T13:04:06 < stvn> nah people here use the autistic falstad simulator
2016-11-03T13:04:07 < Ecco> I know…
2016-11-03T13:04:38 < BrainDamage> spice is the sim engine used by many circuit sims
2016-11-03T13:04:38 < Ecco> Yet I don't understand why the opamp draws current whenever its VCC+ is 0V (and VCC- is GND)
2016-11-03T13:04:40 < ReadErr> uhh
2016-11-03T13:04:46 < ReadErr> just get the INA139/169
2016-11-03T13:04:53 < ReadErr> you been sperging for 2 weeks on this
2016-11-03T13:05:25 < Ecco> I know but I'm learning cool stuff :)
2016-11-03T13:05:26 < ReadErr> 139 would be perfectly fine 
2016-11-03T13:05:26 < BrainDamage> to give you an idea how much old as balls it is, the netlist format for spice is so horrible becase it was written to be optimized for punch card reading
2016-11-03T13:05:45 < stvn> fuck
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2016-11-03T13:08:42 < Ecco> So anyway, how comes the opamp is drawing current whenever Vcc+ == Vcc-?
2016-11-03T13:09:25 < stvn> probably has something to do with the pyramids 
2016-11-03T13:11:37 < jpa-> Ecco: drawing current from where?
2016-11-03T13:12:40 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_: babe
2016-11-03T13:12:43 < ReadErr> I got something for you
2016-11-03T13:12:58 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ8swY06eRU
2016-11-03T13:13:13 < ReadErr> then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGn-C0G6xcw
2016-11-03T13:13:20 < ReadErr> its about channers and pepe
2016-11-03T13:14:16 < Ecco> jpa-: from Vcc+
2016-11-03T13:14:19 < Ecco> look at the graph
2016-11-03T13:14:25 < Ecco> I(oa_vcc) is not zero
2016-11-03T13:15:20 < sync> BrainDamage: so is the internal transfer format for most of the FEM shit
2016-11-03T13:15:23 < jpa-> Ecco: it's drawing current from VBAT and the current is going into VCC
2016-11-03T13:15:44 < jpa-> Ecco: the chip probably has internal ESD diodes or other conductive path when VP voltage is larger than VCC voltage
2016-11-03T13:15:52 < jpa-> this is common for many chips, especially CMOS
2016-11-03T13:16:59 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Pnzc0fsR/pepes.png
2016-11-03T13:17:41 < Laurenceb_> I'm not sure at what level the funny is
2016-11-03T13:18:21 < stvn> m
2016-11-03T13:18:28 < Laurenceb_> lul Mr. Bond
2016-11-03T13:19:06 < ReadErr> im not sayin its funny but its funny that chanshit and pepes have made it to a show like this
2016-11-03T13:19:07 < stvn> ah fuck my sister
2016-11-03T13:19:09 < ReadErr> or a segment on it
2016-11-03T13:21:15 < Laurenceb_> she seems a bit butthurt by channing perman00bs
2016-11-03T13:21:27 < PaulFertser> FUCKING ST SHIT LIB, GPIO_Init is not thread-safe, so if you have several RTOS tasks doing independent gpio configuration at the same time you're fucked.
2016-11-03T13:22:21 < stvn> yup
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2016-11-03T13:24:48 < PaulFertser> And they implemented it as a silly loop taking long time to maximise chances!
2016-11-03T13:25:28 < jpa-> though there isn't an easy way to make thread-safe gpio init on stm32
2016-11-03T13:26:27 < PaulFertser> Global interrupt disable would do.
2016-11-03T13:26:32 <@dongs> PaulFertser: whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
2016-11-03T13:26:57 <@dongs> how the fuck is that even possible
2016-11-03T13:27:07 <@dongs> which STM32?
2016-11-03T13:27:17 < PaulFertser> dongs: f1
2016-11-03T13:27:43 < PaulFertser> dongs: on thread doing GPIO_Init, another starts running and doing GPIO_Init for the same port (but different pin of course) at the same time.
2016-11-03T13:27:47 <@dongs> because it caches tmpreg?
2016-11-03T13:27:59 <@dongs> er GPIO-CRL
2016-11-03T13:28:02 < PaulFertser> dongs: yes
2016-11-03T13:28:04 <@dongs> well
2016-11-03T13:28:14 < PaulFertser> And then has a looop
2016-11-03T13:28:28 < PaulFertser> Stupid as fuck
2016-11-03T13:28:30 < Laurenceb_> 卐 SPURDO SPÄRDE PERKELE PÄRKELE 卐2 days ago
2016-11-03T13:28:30 < Laurenceb_> Don't misrepresent about pepe / KEK or you will regret it. You shall bow down and face Finland. Repent for your crimes and give offerings of tendies.
2016-11-03T13:28:33 <@dongs> PaulFertser: http://bcas.tv/paste/results/FqfruJ10.html here u go
2016-11-03T13:28:53 < Laurenceb_> le epin comments
2016-11-03T13:28:59 <@dongs> actually
2016-11-03T13:29:06 <@dongs> yeah
2016-11-03T13:29:08 <@dongs> that one is broken too
2016-11-03T13:29:13 <@dongs> there's time between read and write.
2016-11-03T13:29:16 <@dongs> thats funny tho
2016-11-03T13:29:32 <@dongs> how'd you find it
2016-11-03T13:29:37 <@dongs> you had several threads initializing gpio?
2016-11-03T13:29:39 <@dongs> at startup?
2016-11-03T13:29:53 < PaulFertser> dongs: yep
2016-11-03T13:30:10 <@dongs> thats really cool
2016-11-03T13:30:22 < PaulFertser> And this very firmware worked for years and the problem surfaced due to a completely unrelated small mod.
2016-11-03T13:30:33 <@dongs> right
2016-11-03T13:30:38 < jpa-> real people would use __sync_val_compare_and_swap() to do it
2016-11-03T13:30:52 <@dongs> is that a libopencm3 #define
2016-11-03T13:30:56 <@dongs> that needs gcc to preprocess
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2016-11-03T13:31:39 < jpa-> no it's pure gcc goodness
2016-11-03T13:33:07 < jpa-> could be actually easier and faster to do with __LDREXW() directly
2016-11-03T13:33:56 <@dongs> more reasons to not init hardware in threads
2016-11-03T13:34:15 <@dongs> even when i use OS stuff i have a setup() or something that calls all whateverdriverInit() shit in series
2016-11-03T13:34:28 <@dongs> especially shit like gpio, dont realyl see any benefit of doing it there
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2016-11-03T13:38:05 < PaulFertser> dongs: code reuse so you can take "libraries" easily from one project to another and to keep everything reasonable self-contained.
2016-11-03T13:38:42 <@dongs> you can put deviceInit() in same file with thread.
2016-11-03T13:38:59 <@dongs> and calkl it before firing thrtead,
2016-11-03T13:39:05 <@dongs> code reuse achieved
2016-11-03T13:41:43 < jadew> shouldn't be a problem if all the hardware initialization relies only on stuff that's initialized from that thread
2016-11-03T13:43:16 < PaulFertser> dongs: yep
2016-11-03T13:44:04 <@dongs> you can even have deviceInit() start the thread, if y'ure too lazy to call 2 things from that file
2016-11-03T13:44:05 < jadew> you can even do it if you initialize stuff in other threads, but you have to treat it like any other multi-threaded thing (making sure you're not using uninitialized resources)
2016-11-03T13:44:07 <@dongs> or something
2016-11-03T13:47:13 <@dongs> just got 6K STM32F031G6U6
2016-11-03T13:47:15 <@dongs> $.50 ea
2016-11-03T13:47:38 < jadew> are you assembling 6k units of something?
2016-11-03T13:47:42 < jadew> or for resale?
2016-11-03T13:47:50 <@dongs> the former
2016-11-03T13:48:02 <@dongs> why would i waste time resell
2016-11-03T13:48:11 < PaulFertser> It wasn't even my code I had to debug...
2016-11-03T13:48:44 < jadew> dongs, thought you had some online shop
2016-11-03T13:48:53 <@dongs> yeah but i dont sell parts tehre lol
2016-11-03T13:53:53 < jadew> "fat wear plus size bikini" - Aliexpress listing
2016-11-03T13:53:54 < jadew> and they still got sales
2016-11-03T13:56:47 < zyp> dongs, hmm, that's not too bad
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2016-11-03T13:58:08 <@dongs> how does yours compare?
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2016-11-03T13:58:13 <@dongs> i have no reference to compare it to really
2016-11-03T14:06:28 < Laurenceb_> heh cheaper than cheapest 8bit on digikey
2016-11-03T14:06:46 < zyp> dongs, haven't measured, probably similar
2016-11-03T14:06:54 <@dongs> ok cool
2016-11-03T14:07:04 <@dongs> my phone doesnt start reading shit until its right next to it
2016-11-03T14:07:07 <@dongs> but thats probly by design
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2016-11-03T14:29:25 < Ecco> dongs: who did you purchase them from?
2016-11-03T14:29:39 < Ecco> jpa-: Thanks a lot!
2016-11-03T14:30:46 <@dongs> Ecco: ST
2016-11-03T14:33:28 < Ecco> ok :)
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2016-11-03T15:03:29 < Ecco> jpa-: How could I simply power down the opamp in that case?
2016-11-03T15:03:46 < ReadErr> transistor ?
2016-11-03T15:11:44 < ReadErr> or buy one with shutdown
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2016-11-03T15:22:32 < Ecco> ok
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2016-11-03T15:41:32 < PaulFertser> dongs: a typical rtos task is just a function with while(1) loop, it feels kinda natural to add initialisation just before the loop starts in the same function and not bother with forgetting to call the init part, no?
2016-11-03T15:42:40 < dongs> eh, no
2016-11-03T15:43:32 < dongs> i think its easier to separate init into a function
2016-11-03T15:43:36 < dongs> even if just start of that thread calls it
2016-11-03T15:44:01 < PaulFertser> Well, yes, but start of that thread will already be concurrent with starts of othe threads.
2016-11-03T15:44:17 < dongs> yeah i mean ignoring the threadsafe issue
2016-11-03T15:44:43 < dongs> if there was some hardware init to do for <driver> I would have it i na separate driverInit() type thing
2016-11-03T15:44:59 < PaulFertser> dongs: also, I have a real-life case where I must reconfigure GPIO from AF to PP and back runtime. It happens when I need to communicate with a part over UART and then that part's power is turned off and I need to disable Tx to avoid leaking current into it.
2016-11-03T15:45:13 < dongs> yep, that i understand
2016-11-03T15:45:17 < dongs> not avoidable there.
2016-11-03T15:45:28 < PaulFertser> dongs: yes, of course the actual init would be in a separate function, that goes without saying.
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2016-11-03T15:51:08 < kisielk> I love having to switch pin functions at runtime
2016-11-03T15:51:31 < PaulFertser> kisielk: now beware, that's not thread-safe.
2016-11-03T15:51:58 < kisielk> it is if only one thread is using the pins and changing their functions :)
2016-11-03T15:52:38 < kisielk> but otherwise, yeah, you get screwed... though that's kind of like trying to use the same peripheral from multiple threads without synchronization
2016-11-03T15:53:26 < PaulFertser> kisielk: I hoped different pins are separated enough...
2016-11-03T15:54:23 < kisielk> it also depends on what registers you are changing and how
2016-11-03T15:54:45 < kisielk> say you have a function that calculates a register mask before making a change, and then another one in a different thread that modifies the same register
2016-11-03T15:55:11 < kisielk> eg: a GPIO MODER register... I could see problems happening there if you don't use some form of synchronization
2016-11-03T15:57:20 < PaulFertser> kisielk: they're both altering GPIOC->CRH , yes.
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2016-11-03T16:17:04 < Laurenceb> https://www.sott.net/article/332834-NATO-warning-Russia-could-invade-your-fridge-within-48-hours
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2016-11-03T16:26:33 < dongs> Laurenceb: l o l
2016-11-03T16:29:01 < PaulFertser> jpa-: btw, __atomic_compare_exchange seems to be what GCC manual recommends, and those __sync functions are marked "legacy".
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2016-11-03T16:31:16 < Rob235> hello
2016-11-03T16:37:57 < Kliment> kisielk: One workaround is to make your scheduler do the changes
2016-11-03T16:38:32 < Kliment> kisielk: So when you want to make an unsafe change, you set a flag and yield
2016-11-03T16:38:56 < Kliment> kisielk: The scheduler then prevents any other tasks from being scheduled until the changes are complete
2016-11-03T16:40:27 < jpa-> PaulFertser: hmm, " In particular, they assume that programs are free of data races."  do you know what this means? i don't
2016-11-03T16:41:16 < Rob235> What are those things that have 3 inputs/2 outputs, 2 inputs/1 output or other way around? what are they called and are they for changing voltage or could be many things? like basic logic gates or something? https://img.rcgroups.com/http://www.quantec-networks.de/quanton/img/platine_high.png?h=vQMHVXBzXvVVH3hlRDy8-g
2016-11-03T16:41:31 < PaulFertser> jpa-: I'm not that pro to fully understand it, no.
2016-11-03T16:42:16 < jpa-> http://blog.regehr.org/archives/490  hmm regehr has something on it, usually he explains things clearly so maybe i'll read it
2016-11-03T16:44:14 < jpa-> hmm yeah, a bit different memory model than with the __sync functions.. atleast i've always assumed that the __sync functions are safe to use even if some other thread doesn't use them
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2016-11-03T16:46:56 < Kliment> Rob235: The 5-leg components appear to be voltage regulators
2016-11-03T16:47:03 < Kliment> Rob235: The 3-leg one is a mosfet
2016-11-03T16:47:19 < Rob235> ahh so its just a type of package, could really be anything
2016-11-03T16:47:20 < Rob235> I see
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2016-11-03T16:50:45 < Kliment> dongs: You're the one that uses cubemx occasionally, right?
2016-11-03T16:51:01 < dongs> to make pinouts of stuff yeah
2016-11-03T16:51:10 < dongs> another dude here swears by cube
2016-11-03T16:51:16 < dongs> cuz his own code is much worse
2016-11-03T16:51:33 < Kliment> dongs: Am I correct in assuming that the "cube-x" packages cannot actually be installed in cubemx?
2016-11-03T16:52:08 < dongs> you can manually install some shit from the help menu, i've only seen that the menu exists, never acutalyl tried to install
2016-11-03T16:52:12 < dongs> which thing are you trying to add?
2016-11-03T16:52:38 < dongs> also apparently some packages are litmied to some specific version of cube so if you have a newer one your fukd unless you edit the xml/wahtever that accompany it and make it work
2016-11-03T16:52:42 < Kliment> dongs: like x-cube-ble1 and x-cube-mems1
2016-11-03T16:52:57 < dongs> no, they should be installable
2016-11-03T16:53:00 < Kliment> dongs: Which is the official support package thing of the nucleo boards
2016-11-03T16:53:04 < dongs> right
2016-11-03T16:53:07 < Kliment> dongs: Neither of those installs for me
2016-11-03T16:53:14 < dongs> i think i've looked at x-cube-USBPD or somethign
2016-11-03T16:53:30 < Kliment> usbpd has some weird binary-only stuff, right?
2016-11-03T16:53:37 < dongs> mostly binary yeah
2016-11-03T16:53:39 < dongs> fucking aids.
2016-11-03T16:53:40 < dongs> so i gave up
2016-11-03T16:53:51 < Kliment> dongs: Can you try installing mems1 or ble1?
2016-11-03T16:54:02 < Kliment> dongs: So I know whether it's just my setup fucking up
2016-11-03T16:54:10 < dongs> ok clicking GET SOFTWARE
2016-11-03T16:54:15 < dongs> and of course
2016-11-03T16:54:16 < dongs> it doesnt work anymore
2016-11-03T16:54:19 < dongs> cuz i already clicked that once today
2016-11-03T16:54:23 < Kliment> wha?
2016-11-03T16:54:36 < dongs> if youre not logged into ther shit
2016-11-03T16:54:47 < dongs> anyweay, private window works
2016-11-03T16:55:51 < dongs> downloading BLE
2016-11-03T16:55:51 < decimad> I would proudly print a label on my devices: powered by cubemx
2016-11-03T16:55:59 < dongs> earlier today
2016-11-03T16:56:06 < dongs> i was downloading some ST95HF firewmare pack
2016-11-03T16:56:07 < dongs> 6megs
2016-11-03T16:56:11 < dongs> it was going at 3k/sec
2016-11-03T16:56:30 < decimad> downloader probably implemented with cubemx
2016-11-03T16:56:57 < dongs> on a stm32
2016-11-03T16:56:58 < dongs> yes
2016-11-03T16:57:05 < Kliment> The thing is, their ble stuff needs some weird magic to workaround a hardware bug and I want to see how that interacts with the hardware SPI
2016-11-03T16:57:26 < Kliment> My guess is "badly" :P
2016-11-03T16:57:28 < dongs> Thjis package version is not managed on this version of STM32CubeMX
2016-11-03T16:58:13 < dongs> Patch doesn't apple to this version of STM32CubeMX, either
2016-11-03T16:58:15 < dongs> well cocks
2016-11-03T16:59:08 < Kliment> dongs: Any ideas?
2016-11-03T16:59:36 < dongs> englishman: i don't do F0, but the 6k F0's i ordreed are powered by CUBE
2016-11-03T16:59:40 < emeryth> but there is stdperiph for f0
2016-11-03T16:59:44 < dongs> also ^
2016-11-03T16:59:48 < dongs> tehre is stdperiph
2016-11-03T17:02:39 < dongs> fuck
2016-11-03T17:02:46 < dongs> englishman: all of F0 is same
2016-11-03T17:02:50 < Kliment> englishman: There's always things like libopencm3 and unicore-mx or you can use CMSIS directly and write your own stuff
2016-11-03T17:03:02 < dongs> pretty sure he has better things to do
2016-11-03T17:03:06 < dongs> than leelooman around
2016-11-03T17:03:36 < dongs> Kliment: i see nothing anywhere in the docs about hwo to install that shit.
2016-11-03T17:03:41 < dongs> what hte fuck, such worthless crap
2016-11-03T17:03:44 < Kliment> dongs: Me either
2016-11-03T17:04:13 < dongs> or L4
2016-11-03T17:06:20 < dongs> < Kliment> englishman: There's always things like libopencm3
2016-11-03T17:06:32 < dongs> but libopencm3 supports like f1 and f4 mostly and not evne fully on those
2016-11-03T17:10:01 < Kliment> I've used it on f0 and things work
2016-11-03T17:10:21 < Kliment> And people use it on l0s as well
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2016-11-03T17:11:19 < dongs> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/embedded-software/mcus-embedded-software/stm32-embedded-software/stm32cube-expansion-software/x-cube-soundter1.html
2016-11-03T17:11:23 < dongs> wtf
2016-11-03T17:11:46 < Kliment> dat URL
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2016-11-03T17:12:04 < dongs> gotta make sure its got embedded software in it a few more times
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2016-11-03T17:13:59 < Kliment> I'm still amused about the ARM naming scheme
2016-11-03T17:14:03 < dongs> ok i donno man. i see no way to install that shit
2016-11-03T17:14:15 < Kliment> Apparently it was a game at ARM to make up names that abbreviate to ARM
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2016-11-03T17:14:35 < Kliment> That's why their product lines are called Application, Realtime and MCU
2016-11-03T17:15:13 < Kliment> And why their main instruction set document is called the ARM Architecture Reference Manual, or ARM ARM
2016-11-03T17:15:16 < dongs> now that they're brexit'd and sold to japs, game over
2016-11-03T17:15:42 < Kliment> I guess they got their arm stuck in a soft bank
2016-11-03T17:16:35 < Kliment> Softbank is totally one of those corporations that when you hear them described you think it's from dystopian scifi
2016-11-03T17:17:35 < dongs> i dont think they even have any plans for it
2016-11-03T17:17:45 < dongs> they just bought it so they dont have to pay arm license royalties on iphones sold in japan
2016-11-03T17:17:51 < dongs> TOO BAD IPHONE IS DYING LOL
2016-11-03T17:21:46 < dongs> Software setup
2016-11-03T17:21:46 < dongs> This section lists the minimum requirements for the developer to setup the SDK, run the
2016-11-03T17:21:50 < dongs> sample testing scenario based on previous description and customize applications
2016-11-03T17:21:57 < dongs> this shit is copypasted in every x-cube user manual
2016-11-03T17:22:04 < dongs> but doesnt actualyl fucking describe anything
2016-11-03T17:22:48 < kisielk> Kliment: that's a good idea
2016-11-03T17:25:37 < kisielk> that sound terminal looks interesting
2016-11-03T17:25:42 < Kliment> kisielk: What is? The scheduler thing?
2016-11-03T17:25:49 < kisielk> Kliment: yes
2016-11-03T17:26:26 < Kliment> kisielk: It's an ugly workaround because it forces a yield on every synchronization event but it works
2016-11-03T17:26:42 < Kliment> kisielk: You do have to make sure that no thread touches the registers without using the workaround
2016-11-03T17:26:51 < kisielk> ideally you just don't have two threads doing that 
2016-11-03T17:27:02 < Kliment> kisielk: But you have to do that regardless what sync scheme you use
2016-11-03T17:27:03 < kisielk> but it can't be avoided sometimes
2016-11-03T17:27:31 < kisielk> I prefer to just have a task responsible for communicating with a particular device or I/O, and if multiple other tasks need to use it they just data into a queue
2016-11-03T17:27:56 < Kliment> kisielk: Alternatively you set a flag and the scheduler doesn't switch thread as long as the flag is set
2016-11-03T17:28:24 < Kliment> kisielk: This means that as long as you have successfully set the flag, the scheduler won't interrupt you
2016-11-03T17:28:34 < kisielk> yeah, the solution is highly dependant on your scheduling requirements
2016-11-03T17:28:56 < Kliment> kisielk: It might preempt you if it's on a tick interrupt but it won't schedule anything else in between
2016-11-03T17:29:45 < Kliment> kisielk: This has the advantage that you can keep interrupts enabled so high-prio tasks can overtake you but the threads that are on the same priority as you cannot wedge themselves in between
2016-11-03T17:30:19 < Kliment> kisielk: Then you use the priority setting to ensure that it's the same for all threads that can mess with that peripheral
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2016-11-03T17:44:16 < Kliment> "If the SPI_FIX is enabled the IRQ is set in Output mode, then it is pulled high and, after a delay of at least 112us, the CS line is asserted and the header transmit/receive operations are started. After these transmit/receive operations the IRQ is reset in input mode."
2016-11-03T17:45:31 < Kliment> Found digging through x-cube-ble1
2016-11-03T17:46:00 < dongs> its amazing when theres actaul STM32 talk in here
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2016-11-03T18:10:58 < Laurenceb> let me fix that for you
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2016-11-03T18:12:52 < Kliment> dongs: Somebody's gotta counter all your trolling
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2016-11-03T18:17:01 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2016-11-03T18:19:34 < dongs> haha
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2016-11-03T18:27:28 < Kliment> Never mind, back to our regularly scheduled programming
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2016-11-03T18:33:31 < Laurenceb> https://i.imgur.com/6KPhjma.gif
2016-11-03T18:34:37 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/Gnk6hn.png
2016-11-03T18:35:59 < Kliment> I have 11 good ones, not counting the two pairs of titanium and the low-res ones
2016-11-03T18:36:19 < Laurenceb> englishman cant fap now
2016-11-03T18:36:30 < Kliment> And I know where all of them are, except the one pair that disappeared the last time I did a workshop
2016-11-03T18:38:17 < sync> englishman: lindström ftw.
2016-11-03T18:40:36 < sync> not lindt.
2016-11-03T18:45:12 < dongs> Engineer PT-12 4 lyfe
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2016-11-03T19:00:07 < Steffanx> Wieso englishman?
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2016-11-03T19:02:59 < Steffanx> I mean why the op.
2016-11-03T19:06:57 < Steffanx> Oh. Lol nevrrmind
2016-11-03T19:11:34 < dongs> https://ksr-video.imgix.net/projects/1838942/video-580973-h264_high.mp4 skip to 2:30 for some hot STM32 action
2016-11-03T19:14:19 < Steffanx> Lolwut?
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2016-11-03T19:18:11 < Steffanx> Ok.
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2016-11-03T19:20:52 < Kliment> ohnoes
2016-11-03T19:21:16 < Kliment> solving social problems by half-baked technological solutions with unintended consequences
2016-11-03T19:21:55 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Steffanx] by ChanServ
2016-11-03T19:23:57 <@Laurenceb> I can has ops
2016-11-03T19:24:01 -!- mode/##stm32 [-o Steffanx] by Steffanx
2016-11-03T19:24:02 < Steffanx> Hmm i didnt know you can use chanserv for that too zyp
2016-11-03T19:24:05 < Steffanx> Yes.
2016-11-03T19:24:09 <@Laurenceb> dunno what to do with my powerz
2016-11-03T19:24:19 < Steffanx> Kick ban laurenceb_
2016-11-03T19:24:26 <@Laurenceb> maybe I could be president like trump
2016-11-03T19:24:36 < zyp> Steffanx, hmm?
2016-11-03T19:24:36 <@Laurenceb> I'm not mean enough
2016-11-03T19:25:22 < dongs> maybe you could get rid of autism
2016-11-03T19:25:27 < Steffanx> I thought you needed the op status to give people ops using chanserv
2016-11-03T19:25:48 <@Laurenceb> no I'll make autism great again
2016-11-03T19:26:35 < zyp> in what sense?
2016-11-03T19:26:52 < Steffanx> You had the chance to do so dongs
2016-11-03T19:26:53 < Steffanx> Lol
2016-11-03T19:27:13 < dongs> i prefer for autism to just leave by itself
2016-11-03T19:27:20 < dongs> after realizing the worthlessness
2016-11-03T19:28:32 < Steffanx> Nevermind i guess zyp. I guess it was just tectu who failed to do what you just did.
2016-11-03T19:28:52 < dongs> Tectu failing, what a shock
2016-11-03T19:28:56 < Steffanx> But zyp doesnt have that.
2016-11-03T19:29:04 < dongs> speaking of Tectu, ahvent seen him around
2016-11-03T19:29:19 < Steffanx> He's dead, dongs
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2016-11-03T19:29:46 < Steffanx> Like you were some tike ago
2016-11-03T19:29:51 < Steffanx> Time
2016-11-03T19:31:49 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7weZ0TNRcuw here's more STM32
2016-11-03T19:33:22 < Steffanx> Time for your nap dongs.
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2016-11-03T19:39:47 < dongs> heh, manual DRC
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2016-11-03T19:57:16 < Kliment> Do any of the f0s have a serial number or ID of some sort?
2016-11-03T19:57:54 < Kliment> never mind, found it, they all do
2016-11-03T19:58:15 < Kliment> "unique device id register (96 bits)"
2016-11-03T19:59:28 < Steffanx> i believe not all of them.
2016-11-03T20:00:19 < Steffanx> Ah, the F030 does not seem to have it.
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2016-11-03T20:03:55 < Kliment> Oh, that's good to know
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2016-11-03T20:08:24 < Kliment> Steffanx: The RM for the 030 has a chapter 27:device electronic signature
2016-11-03T20:08:31 < Kliment> Steffanx: But no ID registers listed
2016-11-03T20:08:52 < Kliment> Steffanx: That's rather unfortunate
2016-11-03T20:13:42 < emeryth> F030 are neat, I just bought 10 of them for $4.50 on ali
2016-11-03T20:13:48 < Steffanx> Yeah, why not add it.
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2016-11-03T20:19:59 < Steffanx> ST.com traces to amazon.com .. im surprised
2016-11-03T20:24:00 < Tectu> Hello
2016-11-03T20:28:25 < Steffanx> os x comes with a tracer tool englishman.
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2016-11-03T20:40:05 < Tectu> sharpie collection...
2016-11-03T20:40:09 < Tectu> americans -__-
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2016-11-03T20:47:34 < Steffanx> canuck.
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2016-11-03T20:50:53 < kisielk> was it someone here that pointed out the funny naming of ARM products? 
2016-11-03T20:51:23 < kisielk> and other stuff...  I saw it in an article somewhere but can't find it now
2016-11-03T20:51:51 < Steffanx> you mean, m3, m4/whatever => m22, m23? etc.?
2016-11-03T20:57:48 < kisielk> no, as in ARM - Architecture Reference Manual
2016-11-03T20:57:56 < kisielk> and Cortex-A, Cortex-R, Cortex-M
2016-11-03T21:00:52 < Kliment> kisielk: That was me
2016-11-03T21:01:02 < Kliment> kisielk: It used to be a game at ARM HQ
2016-11-03T21:02:07 < Tectu> oh lol, I never noticed that
2016-11-03T21:04:01 < Steffanx> oh, heh
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2016-11-03T23:17:15 < wanderman> hello
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2016-11-03T23:24:28 < wanderman> :)
2016-11-03T23:27:34 < Steffanx> Hello wanderman my old friend. I've come to talk with you again.
2016-11-03T23:27:59 < wanderman> :)
2016-11-03T23:28:32 < wanderman> i love technology it keep me amused 
2016-11-03T23:29:13 < Steffanx> Wieso mr wanderman?
2016-11-03T23:30:35 < wanderman> for fun
2016-11-03T23:34:25 < KreAture_Zzz> Hmm
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2016-11-03T23:35:27 < KreAture_> Can't seem to get this damn stm32f103 to output TIM2_CH3 on PB10 (alternate remapped)
2016-11-03T23:35:47 < KreAture_> I've turned on the clock to the timer, gpio and alternate io control
2016-11-03T23:36:02 < KreAture_> I've enabled the clock outout and set the gpio pin to af
2016-11-03T23:36:21 < KreAture_> I've made sure the timer has a clock source and I can see in the debugger it is counting
2016-11-03T23:36:24 < KreAture_> This is annoying
2016-11-03T23:36:27 < KreAture_> lol
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2016-11-03T23:53:31 < upgrdman> wow, Lattice just got bought up  http://www.streetinsider.com/Corporate+News/Canyon+Bridge+to+Acquire+Lattice+Semiconductor+(LSCC)+in+$1.3B+Deal/12202640.html
2016-11-03T23:53:44 < upgrdman> i like lattice chips, i hope things dont change for the worse
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2016-11-03T23:59:06 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai no it's the ones in the bluepills
2016-11-03T23:59:28 < KreAture_> 48 pin
--- Day changed Fri Nov 04 2016
2016-11-04T00:00:25 < KreAture_> the remap is not available on 36 pin package but I have 48
2016-11-04T00:08:12 < Rob235> noob question:
2016-11-04T00:08:16 < Rob235> I have some buttons that have a blue led in them and the only thing listed on the ebay page is led rating: 3V.  does that mean 5v is too much? and should I still assume 20mA as a good amount of current?
2016-11-04T00:08:44 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai I tried 10 and 11
2016-11-04T00:08:56 < KreAture_> according to datasheet 10 is all I need as I don't need to chnage the other pins
2016-11-04T00:09:07 < KreAture_> 10 = 2
2016-11-04T00:09:37 < KreAture_> Checking that the pwm works on PA2 now (the non remapped TIM2_CH3 output)
2016-11-04T00:10:31 < KreAture_> Hmm, the remap seems to work as the PA2 pin acts the same as the PB10 after remap
2016-11-04T00:10:49 < KreAture_> but as you say I think the timer is wrong as it doesn't work on PA2 either
2016-11-04T00:11:21 < Rob235> you think the resistor is needed or is already incorporated
2016-11-04T00:11:33 < Thorn> Rob235: you never know
2016-11-04T00:11:56 < Rob235> guess I'll assume it doesn't have one and go for 10 mA on the 3.3v line
2016-11-04T00:11:58 < Kliment> KreAture_: Does it generate overflow/match interrupts?
2016-11-04T00:12:09 < Thorn> I've got "12V" illuminated buttons which do have resistors
2016-11-04T00:13:01 < Rob235> http://www.ebay.com/itm/300866130703
2016-11-04T00:13:03 < Rob235> its those if that helps
2016-11-04T00:13:30 < Rob235> oh didn't see the image
2016-11-04T00:13:33 < Rob235> guess you dont need one
2016-11-04T00:14:18 < KreAture_> doesn't help
2016-11-04T00:14:23 < KreAture_> I am using the old libs
2016-11-04T00:14:28 < KreAture_> The calls are completely different
2016-11-04T00:14:53 < KreAture_> although as i said I have gone through this and it does indeed match most of it
2016-11-04T00:14:58 < KreAture_> I also have the cube
2016-11-04T00:15:01 < KreAture_> and have generated it
2016-11-04T00:15:16 < KreAture_> but it is still not working here so I must have missed a tiny bit somewhere
2016-11-04T00:15:20 < Kliment> KreAture_: Can you see if it gens interrupts?
2016-11-04T00:15:44 < Kliment> KreAture_: If it doesn't, maybe your timer is in the wrong mode
2016-11-04T00:15:45 < KreAture_> it does
2016-11-04T00:15:50 < KreAture_> and yes
2016-11-04T00:16:01 < KreAture_> it gens interrupts and has clock
2016-11-04T00:16:05 < KreAture_> I can see it counting in debugger
2016-11-04T00:16:19 < KreAture_> I checked mode too but it must be something like that
2016-11-04T00:18:05 < KreAture_> found it
2016-11-04T00:18:12 < KreAture_> oc channel config error on mode
2016-11-04T00:18:14 < KreAture_> timer was fine
2016-11-04T00:18:21 < KreAture_> oc channel had missing pwm mode
2016-11-04T00:18:39 < KreAture_> waddya mean would ?
2016-11-04T00:18:49 < KreAture_> I was going through these things step by step as I complained here
2016-11-04T00:19:00 < KreAture_> as I said, it had to be a single thing missing
2016-11-04T00:19:11 < KreAture_> always so annoying that it is spread on so many things
2016-11-04T00:19:14 < KreAture_> always something one forgets
2016-11-04T00:19:47 < KreAture_> and moving to B10
2016-11-04T00:19:48 < KreAture_> yesss
2016-11-04T00:19:54 < KreAture_> everything else was ok, including remap
2016-11-04T00:20:01 < KreAture_> just the effing oc mode missing :)
2016-11-04T00:20:11  * KreAture_ sighs and relaxes a bit
2016-11-04T00:23:00 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-04T00:23:01 < KreAture_> nice
2016-11-04T00:23:23 < KreAture_> what pisses me off is it cannot change chip
2016-11-04T00:23:30 < KreAture_> I mean, you have told it what you need
2016-11-04T00:23:38 < KreAture_> and you have pinned resources you need
2016-11-04T00:23:48 < KreAture_> it whould be able to translate and tell you what you loose
2016-11-04T00:23:59 < KreAture_> instead it just clears your project
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2016-11-04T00:48:54 < Thorn> http://img1.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/full/%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BB-%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BC-apple-iphone-macbook-3464707.jpeg
2016-11-04T00:56:14 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai it's working now
2016-11-04T00:56:19 < KreAture_> My sneaky dma trick
2016-11-04T00:57:01 < KreAture_> I basically generate specific tables of bits for the control port (address etc) on the sdram
2016-11-04T00:57:30 < KreAture_> Then I let the timer that is generating a constant clock to it, also trigger a dma transfer of thbuffer to the port
2016-11-04T00:58:06 < KreAture_> I make it stop on a clock inhibit instruction so I can use as long as I want to switch over to a new dma that will transfer the actual data
2016-11-04T00:58:45 < KreAture_> once I start it (also controlled by the timer) it will run seamlessly till it needs to switch to clock inhibit again so I can send the final sequence
2016-11-04T00:59:02 < KreAture_> all in all it seems like I can do bitbang of sdram with harly any bitbang :)
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2016-11-04T01:06:09 < KreAture_> banging
2016-11-04T01:06:28 < KreAture_> Only the highest sizes mcus have the sdram capable fmc controller
2016-11-04T01:06:44 < KreAture_> I call it bit banging as there is no hw unit to do it
2016-11-04T01:06:57 < KreAture_> but I use dma to carry out the transfers
2016-11-04T01:07:45 < KreAture_> however I am wondering as I can't seem to remember how to/ or if it is possible to make the dma load another channels dma config
2016-11-04T01:07:57 < KreAture_> what are you on about ?
2016-11-04T01:07:59 < KreAture_> or ing?
2016-11-04T01:08:40 < KreAture_> all the pins that need to be controlled for stuff like write enable, opcode and such need to come from the dma transfer onto port in gpio mode
2016-11-04T01:09:04 < KreAture_> There is no way to not transfer to certain pins so all have to be precomputed and put in the datatable to be sent
2016-11-04T01:09:12 < KreAture_> I wish there was though)
2016-11-04T01:09:27 < KreAture_> entire A port is used for control
2016-11-04T01:09:36 < KreAture_> and data is on 8 bits on port b
2016-11-04T01:09:44 < KreAture_> so there I can use a 8 bit wide transfer
2016-11-04T01:10:17 < KreAture_> a0-a12 + a15
2016-11-04T01:10:51 < KreAture_> well, you could transfer data to the set bit port
2016-11-04T01:10:55 < KreAture_> and clear bit port
2016-11-04T01:11:05 < KreAture_> have it do dual bursts
2016-11-04T01:11:22 < KreAture_> as in, do a 32bit read from mem, transfer to 16 bit wide at destination
2016-11-04T01:11:36 < KreAture_> that will cause a write to the clear bit and immediate write to the set bit
2016-11-04T01:12:02 < KreAture_> but that means generating a more complex table
2016-11-04T01:12:19 < KreAture_> the table would then only contain bit set or clear "commands" for the bits on the port you want to change
2016-11-04T01:12:22 < KreAture_> very
2016-11-04T01:12:26 < KreAture_> which is why I do it
2016-11-04T01:12:33 < KreAture_> I am very sneaky with dma such ways
2016-11-04T01:12:39 < KreAture_> done a few odd things with it before like this
2016-11-04T01:12:45 < KreAture_> but I cannot remember if I can chain em
2016-11-04T01:13:16 < KreAture_> I think last time I made my trigger able to trigger both channel 1 and 2 on dma1 so that the highest priority one would run first, and once done the second ran
2016-11-04T01:13:53 < KreAture_> but I think this only works if I use mem2mem untriggered, since otherwise the other dma has time between the first transfers
2016-11-04T01:14:03 < KreAture_> looking for another way to chain em
2016-11-04T01:14:16 < KreAture_> I want to first transfer the control setup stuff
2016-11-04T01:14:24 < KreAture_> then ideally, without delay start transfering data
2016-11-04T01:14:28 < KreAture_> with control
2016-11-04T01:14:34 < KreAture_> then finally go to the cleanup
2016-11-04T01:14:43 < KreAture_> It may be a tad fiddly
2016-11-04T01:14:44 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-11-04T01:15:55 < KreAture_> ahh port bit set /reset is a single 32 bit reg
2016-11-04T01:15:59 < KreAture_> so that will work
2016-11-04T01:16:03 < KreAture_> nice to know
2016-11-04T01:16:12 < KreAture_> sigh
2016-11-04T01:16:17 < KreAture_> I am going to use a few others
2016-11-04T01:16:22 < KreAture_> but this gets down to price
2016-11-04T01:16:36 < KreAture_> eventually if I can use a smaller chip it will have a major impact on the cost
2016-11-04T01:16:41 < KreAture_> especially if we can run sdram
2016-11-04T01:17:00 < KreAture_> My guys mfg has sdram in stock he can get for practically free
2016-11-04T01:17:12 < KreAture_> like 10-20 cents
2016-11-04T01:17:22 < KreAture_> at 100000 pcs volume it is
2016-11-04T01:17:55 < KreAture_> and the ammount of pleasure it would give me is almost worth it by itself
2016-11-04T01:17:56 < KreAture_> LOL
2016-11-04T01:18:22 < Thorn> everything is suposed to be cheap @ 10K
2016-11-04T01:18:24 < KreAture_> You know you can get sdram for 36 cents on aliexpress ?
2016-11-04T01:18:40 < KreAture_> imagine how much fun you can have on your own projects at those prices
2016-11-04T01:18:41 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-04T01:19:49 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-11-04T01:19:58 < KreAture_> for hobbystuff I have no shame
2016-11-04T01:20:07 < KreAture_> but I leave the sourcing to proper fabs for production
2016-11-04T01:20:37 < KreAture_> I churn out 5-6 boards a year
2016-11-04T01:20:42 < KreAture_> usually a few simultaneously
2016-11-04T01:21:15 < KreAture_> Then I got other guys to work with on many of the hw stuff, and it's nice to have someone review your work to avoid those late night hw debugging sessions
2016-11-04T01:21:33 < KreAture_> last board I got back for a prosthetic hand worked firsat go though, that was nice
2016-11-04T01:21:37 < KreAture_> first
2016-11-04T01:21:54 < KreAture_> very easy board though, only 106 components
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2016-11-04T01:23:15 < KreAture_> mcu, 2x solenoid controls, 1x motor control, 3x current sensors for the solenoids and motor, current limiting added in hw for the motor plus bluetooth comms and 3 sensor inputs and encoder on motor.
2016-11-04T01:23:37 < KreAture_> oh and power control for all sensor domains and such so one can conserve as much power as possible
2016-11-04T01:23:43 < KreAture_> for real people
2016-11-04T01:23:46 < KreAture_> just missing hands
2016-11-04T01:23:49 < KreAture_> or atleast 1
2016-11-04T01:24:25 < KreAture_> http://img.gfx.no/1896/1896832/H%2B%C3%91nd00364-1%20copy.1000x563.jpg
2016-11-04T01:24:28 < KreAture_> with sensors
2016-11-04T01:24:39 < KreAture_> debugging and calibration is done with bt
2016-11-04T01:24:49 < KreAture_> during design/tuning etc
2016-11-04T01:24:52 < KreAture_> not for final release
2016-11-04T01:25:09 < KreAture_> residual muschles
2016-11-04T01:25:26 < KreAture_> it's a million times better than "the claw" many is stuck with
2016-11-04T01:25:35 < KreAture_> this thing can grip an egg
2016-11-04T01:25:40 < KreAture_> without making an omlet
2016-11-04T01:28:45 < KreAture_> yes
2016-11-04T01:29:06 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai pm
2016-11-04T01:29:50 < KreAture_> aww
2016-11-04T01:30:05 < KreAture_> Try typing /query KreAture
2016-11-04T01:30:38 < KreAture_> The metal parts are really really cool
2016-11-04T01:30:42 < KreAture_> sintered titanium
2016-11-04T01:31:05 < KreAture_> 3d printed
2016-11-04T01:31:07 < KreAture_> in metal
2016-11-04T01:31:32 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-11-04T01:32:16 < KreAture_> This will be 3d printed for production too
2016-11-04T01:32:26 < KreAture_> because it is the only way to make the fingers this delicate
2016-11-04T01:32:38 < KreAture_> weight of the design is important
2016-11-04T01:32:40 < KreAture_> yeah
2016-11-04T01:32:46 < KreAture_> and strong
2016-11-04T01:33:33 < KreAture_> Imagine forming a first and cruhing a watermelon by smasking first down onto it
2016-11-04T01:33:51 < KreAture_> err, smashing first
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2016-11-04T01:49:28 < KreAture_> can't you just clear the flag ?
2016-11-04T01:49:40 < KreAture_> I think the standard periph lib has a call for that
2016-11-04T01:50:07 < KreAture_> by not enabling the interrupt there won't be a jump, and when you see it is set you ask it to be cleared
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2016-11-04T01:52:09 < KreAture_> not if not enabled
2016-11-04T01:52:38 < KreAture_> also, remember that for some resources like the pending register (EXTI_PR) you can clear a bit by writing a 1 to it
2016-11-04T01:52:41 < KreAture_> not a 0
2016-11-04T01:53:08 < KreAture_> you shouldn't enter any handler mode or call if the actual interrupt for the flag was disabled
2016-11-04T01:53:17 < KreAture_> if not it has already done the jump and you are in it...
2016-11-04T01:53:22 < KreAture_> btw
2016-11-04T01:53:39 < KreAture_> I just went from one dma transfer to another almost seamlessly :)
2016-11-04T01:54:06 < KreAture_> I can make sure I am fast enough by preconfiguring two different channels, and have em trigger from same timer (that generates the sdram clock)
2016-11-04T01:54:15 < KreAture_> Then, I enable one first while other is just set up
2016-11-04T01:54:24 < KreAture_> when I get the transfer complete interrupt I enable the second
2016-11-04T01:54:35 < KreAture_> That way a minimal ammount of cpu instructions has to be run
2016-11-04T01:54:43 < KreAture_> and I am fast enough to catch the next rising clock flank
2016-11-04T01:55:03 < KreAture_> I don't really have to be this fast, but it is cool that I can
2016-11-04T01:55:32 < KreAture_> The clock idling method allows me to spend as much time as I want between the sdram address setup and write stuff, and the actual data transfer
2016-11-04T01:55:53 < KreAture_> however, to stay clar of any refresh cycles and shit it is best to be done with it in a timely fashion
2016-11-04T01:55:54 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-04T02:08:48 < TheSeven> oh how I hate it if the same thing bites me twice in a week
2016-11-04T02:09:03 < TheSeven> once again got fooled by DMA + SRAM clock gating, this time caused by a WFE instruction
2016-11-04T02:11:10 < KreAture_> hey TheSeven 
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2016-11-04T02:12:54 < TheSeven> hey
2016-11-04T02:14:47 < KreAture_> it's odd how you can update timers and such with dma but doesn't appear you can update dma's  
2016-11-04T02:15:05 < KreAture_> There doesn't appear to be a trigger source for dma transfer complete
2016-11-04T02:15:09 < KreAture_> there should be
2016-11-04T02:15:15 < TheSeven> heh
2016-11-04T02:15:18 < TheSeven> interesting idea
2016-11-04T02:15:26 < TheSeven> poor man's scatter/gather
2016-11-04T02:15:33 < KreAture_> when the dma transfer is done, transfer next setup 
2016-11-04T02:15:36 < KreAture_> :)
2016-11-04T02:15:50 < KreAture_> You can do it to a timer
2016-11-04T02:15:56 < KreAture_> infact they make a big point of it
2016-11-04T02:16:10 < KreAture_> I've run a timer like that for frequency modulation
2016-11-04T02:16:30 < KreAture_> another guy at work used it to generate pulses at diff intervalls
2016-11-04T02:16:38 < TheSeven> well I guess most people use double buffering + IRQs, a periodic series of DMA transfers probably isn't all that common ;)
2016-11-04T02:16:49 < KreAture_> but interrupts take time
2016-11-04T02:17:02 < TheSeven> but yeah, would be awesome if you could just set up a couple of things, then send the CPU core to sleep forever and have the device to its thing ;)
2016-11-04T02:17:32 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-11-04T02:17:47 < TheSeven> reminds me of my LED strip controller code
2016-11-04T02:18:49 < TheSeven> generating some kind of manchester encoding used by those WS2812 LED chips using capture/compare channels of timers + DMA + IRQs + some assembly code
2016-11-04T02:19:23 < TheSeven> had to squeeze the last bit of performance out of that poor little cortex M0 driving 4 strips at once while receiving new data ;)
2016-11-04T02:19:41 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-11-04T02:20:01 < KreAture_> I've seen some code doing 60 leds in 16 strips in paralell using dma
2016-11-04T02:20:07 < KreAture_> on a bluepill
2016-11-04T02:20:16 < KreAture_> aka stm32f103 in 48 pin package
2016-11-04T02:21:03 < TheSeven> well you could of course bitbang a GPIO port if you wanted more strips in parallel
2016-11-04T02:21:43 < TheSeven> what actually eats the CPU cycles here is converting the RGB pixel data into the timer values, bit by bit
2016-11-04T02:22:20 < KreAture_> well, he converted it to sequences of values
2016-11-04T02:22:46 < KreAture_> interleaved data for every led for every step dma'd out
2016-11-04T02:22:55 < KreAture_> used most of the devices memory I think
2016-11-04T02:23:32 < TheSeven> KreAture_: the interleaving is the hard part
2016-11-04T02:24:45 < KreAture_> with 60 led's the intensity data for the individual leds are spaced 60 bytes apart in mem
2016-11-04T02:25:08 < KreAture_> Then the animation was done by playing the data with dma
2016-11-04T02:25:17 < KreAture_> each update clocked in new data to entire strip
2016-11-04T02:25:24 < KreAture_> timer controlled rate of transfer
2016-11-04T02:25:58 < KreAture_> I've actually been pondering if I can do that for my dmaStep code
2016-11-04T02:26:01 < TheSeven> LeelooMinai: huh, what is that? some kind of tiny CPLD-ish thing?
2016-11-04T02:26:44 < TheSeven> but more fixed function blocks + CPLD routing matrix than actual CPLD logic
2016-11-04T02:26:47 < KreAture_> I'd parallel two dma's one would transfer a buffers data to the port, the other would transfer a corresponding timer top value to the timer controlling the rate
2016-11-04T02:27:19 < KreAture_> so you'd set up the datastreams as pairs of values, and time to next value
2016-11-04T02:41:09 < ds2> Cortex-M's are not designed for 'Realtime'
2016-11-04T02:41:15 < KreAture_> don't swear LeelooMinai 
2016-11-04T02:41:47 < Laurenceb_> depends what you mean by realtime
2016-11-04T02:41:59 < ds2> Cortex-R's OTH
2016-11-04T02:42:12 < Laurenceb_> its a bazillion times more realtime than most e.g. embedded linux
2016-11-04T02:43:45 < ds2> LeelooMinai: look at the ARM manuals
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2016-11-04T02:45:13 < ds2> <LeelooMinai:##stm32> Kind of funny how ARM being designed to help with
2016-11-04T02:45:14 < ds2> +"normal" RTOSes kind of messed up that part for them.
2016-11-04T02:45:17 < ds2> you made a general statement
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2016-11-04T02:47:25 < TheSeven> what's wrong with that thing?
2016-11-04T02:47:39 < TheSeven> that screenshot looks like how I understand that this is supposed to work
2016-11-04T02:47:45 < ds2> *yawn*
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2016-11-04T02:54:23  * TheSeven starts to like his OS-less realtime thing that he is messing with right now
2016-11-04T02:55:20 < TheSeven> nah, it's just a bunch of IRQ handlers
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2016-11-04T02:55:50 < Laurenceb_> heh you can always abuse NVIC with software triggered interrupts
2016-11-04T02:56:52 < stvn> best intrrupt is a hammer to the stm32
2016-11-04T02:56:57 < TheSeven> Laurenceb_: exactly what I thought when I saw this: http://m.eet.com/media/1076197/0706ESDSamek03.gif
2016-11-04T02:58:24 < Laurenceb_> I've used NVIC abuse in quite a few projects, nice for lots of simpleish problems
2016-11-04T02:58:34 < TheSeven> LeelooMinai: I think it resembles very closely what I'm doing here without a concept of "tasks" at all
2016-11-04T02:59:21 < Laurenceb_> for other projects I just use chibios
2016-11-04T02:59:23 < Laurenceb_> simples
2016-11-04T03:00:16 < Laurenceb_> yeah but the documentation and examples dont suck
2016-11-04T03:00:53 < Laurenceb_> I can copypasta a simple device together in 5 minutes
2016-11-04T03:01:15 < Laurenceb_> the forum is very active
2016-11-04T03:01:47 < Laurenceb_> others contribute a lot, in fact I think some people here have contributed
2016-11-04T03:02:17 < Laurenceb_> but I'm not sure how attribution works in those cases
2016-11-04T03:02:30 < Laurenceb_> other than "thanks for the codex I'll now charge commercial users"
2016-11-04T03:02:47 < Laurenceb_> aiui Tectu had some sort of commercial relationship with ChibiOS at one point?
2016-11-04T03:06:18 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2016/11/03/3d-printer-tragedy-claims-a-life/
2016-11-04T03:06:26 < Laurenceb_> 3d printed grim reaper
2016-11-04T03:08:35 < Laurenceb_> I'm confused
2016-11-04T03:08:43 < Laurenceb_> how much hairspray did he use O_o
2016-11-04T03:09:18 < Laurenceb_> maybe something went wrong with the can and he was blasting out tons of gas trying to get it to work
2016-11-04T03:10:08 < TheSeven> well, how much butane do you actually need for an explosive mix in a room?
2016-11-04T03:10:16 < Laurenceb_> lul in the comments
2016-11-04T03:10:21 < Laurenceb_> they are busy working it out
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2016-11-04T03:12:32 < TheSeven> we recently had something similar in the news over here
2016-11-04T03:12:59 < TheSeven> where a 17 year old was severely injured when his car exploded due to excessive use of room freshener sprays
2016-11-04T03:13:33 < TheSeven> he had just bought that car from a smoker and was trying to fight that smell
2016-11-04T03:14:02 < Laurenceb_> 3 cans
2016-11-04T03:14:04 < Laurenceb_> WTF
2016-11-04T03:14:11 < Laurenceb_> no wonder it blew up
2016-11-04T03:15:00 < Laurenceb_> lol and flash paper
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2016-11-04T03:15:41 < TheSeven> he was probably to coat the bed plate somehow
2016-11-04T03:16:03 < TheSeven> but 3 cans? it probably didn't want to stick there ;)
2016-11-04T03:16:24 < Laurenceb_> maybe he got high
2016-11-04T03:16:35 < Laurenceb_> then he got very high when he was blown up
2016-11-04T03:16:40 < dongs> http://ir.latticesemi.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=117422&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2219107
2016-11-04T03:16:41 < dongs> err what
2016-11-04T03:17:58 < KreAture_> hey dongs 
2016-11-04T03:18:04 < dongs> sup dongs
2016-11-04T03:18:25  * KreAture_ has been jumping through hoops to get the dma to do what he wants
2016-11-04T03:18:30 < KreAture_> :)
2016-11-04T03:19:04 < KreAture_> dongs there seems to be a nice way of bitbanging (dmabanging?) pins on stm32's to get sdram support without needing the memory controller :)
2016-11-04T03:19:17 < dongs> yeah, GPIO DMA
2016-11-04T03:19:19 < dongs> i've heard of that before.
2016-11-04T03:19:19 < KreAture_> would open up a very cheap world of memory 
2016-11-04T03:19:22 < dongs> + used
2016-11-04T03:19:31  * TheSeven can now finally talk to SPI devices from the "main thread", despite the SPI bus being shared with a radio with very strict timing requirements (TDMA protocol implemented in software)
2016-11-04T03:19:50 < KreAture_> I have enabled both ch1 and ch5 of the dma by using two oc's on a timer, so I can transfer data to two different ports in lockstep
2016-11-04T03:20:15 < KreAture_> seems to work nicely
2016-11-04T03:20:33 < dongs> KreAture_: next step is to write an ARM9 emulator with MMU to make use of all that extra ram, and.. boot lunix
2016-11-04T03:20:48 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-04T03:20:56 < dongs> i mean thats waht you REALLY want to do right
2016-11-04T03:21:09 < KreAture_> I am just using a small chip now though, only 8 Mbyte
2016-11-04T03:21:25 < dongs> thats enough to boot lunix
2016-11-04T03:21:28 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-11-04T03:21:34 < stvn> >booting linux
2016-11-04T03:21:38 < KreAture_> I don't want linux on here though
2016-11-04T03:21:44 < KreAture_> that is really the main point
2016-11-04T03:22:01 < KreAture_> The chip will do a single task and it needs to start doing that task very fast when powered
2016-11-04T03:22:35 < KreAture_> data will be received via spi, stored and used for some calculations and then some results come out the serial
2016-11-04T03:22:51 < stvn> linux is worse than heroin
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2016-11-04T03:22:58 < KreAture_> then it may receive updated coeffs or params via serial and adjust the calcs
2016-11-04T03:23:14 < KreAture_> anyway, bedtime :)
2016-11-04T03:23:29 < KreAture_> dongs I did show you my sdram breakout ?
2016-11-04T03:23:50 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/projects/lidar/48lc8m8a2_breakout.jpg ?
2016-11-04T03:26:00 < Laurenceb_> lul @ unregulated online tutorials
2016-11-04T03:26:11 < stvn> wut Laurenceb_ 
2016-11-04T03:26:19 < Laurenceb_> gunna have to speak to my safety advisor before talking to you
2016-11-04T03:26:28 < Laurenceb_> stvn: bbc report on 3d printer explosion
2016-11-04T03:26:35 < stvn> oh yeaaaaaaa
2016-11-04T03:26:52 < stvn> autism on ya diiick
2016-11-04T03:29:36 < Laurenceb_> stop your trollin or im a gunna blow up your house with hairspray
2016-11-04T03:29:57 < Laurenceb_> I'm still not convinced this is physically possible
2016-11-04T03:32:54 < stvn> be a good goy 
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2016-11-04T03:36:45 < Laurenceb_> im still a gunna gas these stray cats
2016-11-04T03:36:58 < Laurenceb_> but that will take at least two cans :-S
2016-11-04T03:37:25 < stvn> do you have a high explosive grenade?
2016-11-04T03:37:39 < Laurenceb_> lulno
2016-11-04T03:37:44 < Laurenceb_> gunna use R134a
2016-11-04T03:38:03 < Laurenceb_> I need to stop shittalking and do some gassin
2016-11-04T03:38:36 < stvn> me2
2016-11-04T03:39:11 < Laurenceb_> seems R134a purchases are tricky in uk
2016-11-04T03:39:14 < dongs> KreAture_: ...
2016-11-04T03:39:28 < Laurenceb_> have to visit a few places to get enough
2016-11-04T03:39:30 < KreAture_> ?
2016-11-04T03:39:38 < dongs> you couldnt ghetto up a tssop54 breakout so you did.. somerhing weird?
2016-11-04T03:40:04 < KreAture_> I was out of larger breakouts so I ghettoed up one by two
2016-11-04T03:40:07 < Laurenceb_> KreAture_: lulwut might as well dead bug
2016-11-04T03:40:15 < KreAture_> and then I added the flexstrip stuff around to bus the power
2016-11-04T03:40:17 < dongs> ahaha i just noticed you cut like two qfp or something shits
2016-11-04T03:40:29 < KreAture_> Laurenceb_ It took me 35 mins though
2016-11-04T03:40:37 < KreAture_> and that includes the angelhairs
2016-11-04T03:40:58 < KreAture_> if it hadn't been for those (if I had had more of the 56 pin ones) I'd have been much quicker
2016-11-04T03:41:03 < KreAture_> just bus the power and be done
2016-11-04T03:42:09 < dongs> lols.
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2016-11-04T03:43:00 < KreAture_> dongs I really like that polyamide tape I got with pretinned copper traces on
2016-11-04T03:43:08 < KreAture_> allows you to do quick alterations or repairs
2016-11-04T03:43:19 < KreAture_> I got diff sheets with diff width traces
2016-11-04T03:43:25 < KreAture_> down to 10mil
2016-11-04T03:43:48 < KreAture_> no wait, 8mil
2016-11-04T03:44:07 < KreAture_> great for repairs if you pull a pad off a board etc
2016-11-04T03:44:24 < KreAture_> or to add a missing trace etc
2016-11-04T03:44:28 < dongs> heh
2016-11-04T03:44:41 < dongs> or: dont make mistake
2016-11-04T03:44:44 < dongs> problem: solved~
2016-11-04T03:44:44 < Laurenceb_> Blistering is when I cut back.
2016-11-04T03:44:45 < Laurenceb_> God forbid an Ivanka sex tape ever leaks. Pretty sure that would affect me negatively, like death by masturbation.
2016-11-04T03:44:52 < Laurenceb_> we have reached peak 8chan comment
2016-11-04T03:45:42 < dongs> Laurenceb_: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2016-11-04T03:45:46 < stvn> KreAture_, which tape?
2016-11-04T03:45:50 < stvn> pls show me
2016-11-04T03:46:01 < dongs> looks like its relevant to crt's interests
2016-11-04T03:46:02 < stvn> i could have used some 20 mins ago
2016-11-04T03:48:45 < KreAture_> stvn This is the single strip stuff
2016-11-04T03:48:46 < KreAture_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/131864114397
2016-11-04T03:48:55 < KreAture_> can't find an example of the sheets with multiple strips though
2016-11-04T03:49:26 < stvn> ic
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2016-11-04T03:51:08 < KreAture_> the company who made the adhesive sheets are out of buisiness so very hard to come by more
2016-11-04T03:51:14 < KreAture_> Got boxes of it :)
2016-11-04T03:51:52 < KreAture_> oooh found one
2016-11-04T03:51:54 < KreAture_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/272406097756
2016-11-04T03:52:00 < stvn> i see
2016-11-04T03:52:05 < stvn> i offer this in return https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6SMGrIaals
2016-11-04T03:52:05 < KreAture_> those are 1.5mm wide
2016-11-04T03:53:49 < stvn> ty
2016-11-04T03:57:46 < KreAture_> good one
2016-11-04T03:59:14 < KreAture_> when ez had issues a guy at work had the foresight to buy up local distributors entire stock
2016-11-04T03:59:15 < KreAture_> http://www.ebay.com/itm/201699085748
2016-11-04T03:59:17 < KreAture_> like this
2016-11-04T03:59:18 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-11-04T04:00:12 < dongs> http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/3/elementary-school-cancels-mock-election-after-kids/
2016-11-04T04:00:30 < TheSeven> wtf https://de.scribd.com/word/removal/45305083
2016-11-04T04:01:32 < dongs> owned
2016-11-04T04:01:50 < dongs> ELSEVIER.THE.DEFINITVE.GUIDE.TO.ARM.CORTEX.M3.AND.CORTEX.M4.PROCESSORS.3RD.EDITION.2013
2016-11-04T04:01:56 < dongs> i think this is wat youre looking for
2016-11-04T04:02:09 < dongs> who the fuck keeps any documents on scribd
2016-11-04T04:02:12 < dongs> fucking shitty payware service
2016-11-04T04:02:52 < TheSeven> heh, I was wondering mostly about who even bothers to take something like that down
2016-11-04T04:06:03 < dongs> VERY RARE haha
2016-11-04T04:06:12 < dongs> @ KreAture_ s link
2016-11-04T04:06:27 < KreAture_> dongs after they went belly up it's harder to come by
2016-11-04T04:06:32 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-11-04T04:06:37 < stvn> wawe
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2016-11-04T04:13:02 < dongs> so KreAture_ are you able to keep data in sdram
2016-11-04T04:13:05 < dongs> or youre not there yet
2016-11-04T04:13:19 < KreAture_> dongs close
2016-11-04T04:13:24 < KreAture_> hoping tomorrow is the day
2016-11-04T04:13:50 < KreAture_> basically I do my control sequences and setup sequences so they stop at the clock inhibit step of a read or write
2016-11-04T04:14:16 < KreAture_> then I can set up the actual data transfer dma and release the clock inhibit
2016-11-04T04:14:42 < KreAture_> the sdram is then clocked correctly continously but after it has set up the data read or write it is paused
2016-11-04T04:15:22 < KreAture_> and I can do other stuff during the setup, and after synching the disabling of inhibit with the enabling of the data transfer dma, I can again do other stuff
2016-11-04T04:16:04 < KreAture_> I then get interrupt for completion that I can use to tell sdram to precharge row on deselect again
2016-11-04T04:16:23 < dongs> innovations abound
2016-11-04T04:16:32 < KreAture_> seems like it can work with sdram clock all the way up to half of cpu clock, maybe even faster
2016-11-04T04:16:37 < dongs> next step, port this code to SOT23-6 attiny, using shift registers
2016-11-04T04:16:42 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-04T04:16:46 < KreAture_> you are evil
2016-11-04T04:20:36 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai the sdram without mem controller ?
2016-11-04T04:20:39 < KreAture_> nope
2016-11-04T04:20:48 < KreAture_> someone did something close with a large atmel chip 
2016-11-04T04:21:15 < KreAture_> and another guy did a very clever preprogram of some sdram with control data that was then clocked out again so it could do oscilloscope capture
2016-11-04T04:21:26 < KreAture_> hm, no that I dunno
2016-11-04T04:21:34 < KreAture_> but fuuu I need to get to beeeeed!
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2016-11-04T04:24:05  * TheSeven wonders if it's possible to write an IRQ-driven SPI mode SD card driver
2016-11-04T04:24:17 < TheSeven> the hard part being waiting for the card to complete commands
2016-11-04T04:26:20 < TheSeven> I'm more concerned about actually detecting whether the card has finished writing without having to poll it
2016-11-04T04:27:05 < TheSeven> I might be able to hack something up with a timer doing the polling work for me
2016-11-04T04:28:17 < TheSeven> maybe it would work if I let the DMA flood the SPI with 0xff bytes, and then use EXTI to trigger off the MISO line
2016-11-04T04:31:18 < TheSeven> hmm yeah that might work
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2016-11-04T04:31:28 < zyp> why do you guys always have weird ideas?
2016-11-04T04:32:03 < TheSeven> heh, don't want to waste precious CPU cycles spinning while waiting for the stupid card to finish its job
2016-11-04T04:32:35 < TheSeven> I guess you can use software triggering for them
2016-11-04T04:32:50 < TheSeven> the NVIC hardware is probably there, just not connected to any physical source
2016-11-04T04:32:50 < zyp> LeelooMinai, in my experience, they keep a bunch of the IRQ numbers the same between families, so they are probably just unused on your particular part
2016-11-04T04:33:37 < dongs> < zyp> why do you guys always have weird ideas?
2016-11-04T04:33:39 < zyp> sounds like Laurenceb's old project
2016-11-04T04:33:39 < dongs> yes, fucking this
2016-11-04T04:33:56 < zyp> he were using software triggered IRQs for some shit like that
2016-11-04T04:34:21 < dongs> zyp, to do what? have an unused hardware IRQ turned on by NVIC / wahtever just to execute its handler?
2016-11-04T04:34:44 < zyp> yeh
2016-11-04T04:34:47 < zyp> yeah
2016-11-04T04:35:00 < dongs> kawaii
2016-11-04T04:35:17 < zyp> I guess idea was that tasks could be set pending and would execute when cpu had time
2016-11-04T04:36:16 < TheSeven> also a nice way to ensure mutual exclusion between some things without an RTOS
2016-11-04T04:36:47 < zyp> I don't get how people can keep sane without a debugger, btw
2016-11-04T04:36:52 < TheSeven> my F072 only has 4 :/
2016-11-04T04:37:12 < dongs> printf debugging arduino style
2016-11-04T04:37:13 < zyp> spent all night fucking around trying to get shit to boot on the edison
2016-11-04T04:37:16 < TheSeven> but that seems just about right for my application
2016-11-04T04:37:26 < TheSeven> zyp: heh, love that, yup
2016-11-04T04:37:40 < zyp> and it's fucking hard to diagnose anything when the symptom is that nothing is getting printed on the serial terminal
2016-11-04T04:37:47 < dongs> haha
2016-11-04T04:37:54 < dongs> theres no jtag on taht shit? or waht
2016-11-04T04:37:59 < TheSeven> zyp: similar to the "why doesn't that friggin radio chip do what I want" issues that I chased down during the last couple of days
2016-11-04T04:38:02 < zyp> and about as fucking hard when all it prints is «General Protection» in a loop
2016-11-04T04:38:20 < TheSeven> where you just can't see the interesting internals
2016-11-04T04:39:13 < zyp> anyway, I found out that older kernels worked, newer kernels didn't, so I bisected to find out what broke it
2016-11-04T04:39:51 < dongs> lunix  toreballs
2016-11-04T04:39:58 < TheSeven> now imagine that situation without something working to compare to
2016-11-04T04:40:00 < zyp> idk how it's broken, but after fucking around and trying stuff I found something that worked
2016-11-04T04:40:23 < zyp> TheSeven, well, yeah, it took me forever just getting anything to boot at all
2016-11-04T04:40:29 < dongs> you should try installing winxp on it
2016-11-04T04:40:34 < dongs> should be much more useful than lunix
2016-11-04T04:40:35 < zyp> haha
2016-11-04T04:41:01 < dongs> https://communities.intel.com/thread/54965
2016-11-04T04:43:03 < zyp> whatever, shit seems to work now
2016-11-04T04:43:44 < zyp> hope getting wlan to work won't be equally hard :p
2016-11-04T04:45:57 < TheSeven> so what's the best way to get some kind of tickless trigger on m0?
2016-11-04T04:46:19 < TheSeven> I basically have a list of sensors that I have to sample every X microseconds
2016-11-04T04:46:32 < TheSeven> and I want to get an IRQ whenever one of them needs attention
2016-11-04T04:46:41 < zyp> grab a spare timer, use that
2016-11-04T04:46:57 < TheSeven> yeah just wondering which type of timer and in which mode
2016-11-04T04:46:59 < dongs> don't your sensors have interrupt pins
2016-11-04T04:47:04 < dongs> any timer, any mode
2016-11-04T04:47:07 < TheSeven> is there something that I can just write "wake me up at time X" to
2016-11-04T04:47:10 < dongs> make a list of events that need to happen
2016-11-04T04:47:14 < TheSeven> and that's safe even if X is already in the past?
2016-11-04T04:47:22 < dongs> sort that list, set timer to fire at nearest one
2016-11-04T04:47:24 < TheSeven> i.e. will produce an IRQ immediately in that case?
2016-11-04T04:47:29 < dongs> donno
2016-11-04T04:47:30 < zyp> TheSeven, no
2016-11-04T04:48:59 < zyp> LeelooMinai, relative?
2016-11-04T04:49:18 < TheSeven> can a capture/compare channel be set up in a way that asserts an IRQ as long as the counter value is higher than the compare register value?
2016-11-04T04:49:19 < upgrdman> good job Thailand   https://i.redd.it/y0pdfvrllfvx.jpg
2016-11-04T04:49:35 < zyp> TheSeven, afaik no
2016-11-04T04:49:45 < zyp> LeelooMinai, relative to what?
2016-11-04T04:50:50 < zyp> per event, you mean?
2016-11-04T04:51:42 < TheSeven> a compare channel to be exact
2016-11-04T04:51:43 < zyp> yes, with a freerunning timer using one of the channels as a deadline that's perfectly reasonable
2016-11-04T04:51:45 < TheSeven> which could very well know that
2016-11-04T04:52:00 < TheSeven> I mean it can output the signal that I want as an IRQ line on a GPIO pin
2016-11-04T04:52:01 < zyp> which is how you would normally use a timer for event timing
2016-11-04T04:52:36 < zyp> using a freerunning timer solves the time imprecision you'd get from having to stop/restart it for every event
2016-11-04T04:53:06 < zyp> which again is why systick is so badly suited for tickless use
2016-11-04T04:53:09 < TheSeven> zyp: well I could sync up the stop/restart to systick if I need to
2016-11-04T04:53:27 < zyp> TheSeven, which timing granularity do you need?
2016-11-04T04:53:33 < TheSeven> microseconds would be nice
2016-11-04T04:53:40 < TheSeven> I could probably live with tens of them though
2016-11-04T04:53:49 < zyp> then a separate timer would be best
2016-11-04T04:54:12 < zyp> if you only needed milliseconds, you could have used systick to generate millisecond events and handled the rest in software
2016-11-04T04:54:19 < zyp> I've got a thread scheduler that works like that
2016-11-04T04:54:52 < TheSeven> yup - I have a millisecond timer somewhere anyway, but that would produce some nasty jitter on stuff that wants to sampled at e.g. 400Hz
2016-11-04T04:55:11 < zyp> what's this for?
2016-11-04T04:55:29 < TheSeven> some rather generic sensor data logger thing
2016-11-04T04:56:13 < zyp> if you want a fixed interval and don't have a lot of different ones, why not set up a timer to tick at that specific interval?
2016-11-04T04:56:37 < TheSeven> I'd prefer the interval of each sensor to be user configurable
2016-11-04T04:56:55 < dongs> what was wrong with using sensor interrupt line set to data ready?
2016-11-04T04:56:56 < zyp> and you don't have a timer available for each sensor? :p
2016-11-04T04:57:10 < TheSeven> oh, there's a LOT of sensors ;)
2016-11-04T04:57:21 < zyp> to be fair, stm32 got a lot of timers too
2016-11-04T04:57:34 < TheSeven> accelerometers, gyros, magnetometers, thermometer, barometer, hygrometer, ambient light, IR and proximity sensor, microphone - I guess I forgot something
2016-11-04T04:58:01 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://i.imgur.com/6N1dDWK.jpg
2016-11-04T04:58:01 < zyp> unless you need timers for anything else, it could still work :)
2016-11-04T04:59:10 < zyp> late, 4AM now
2016-11-04T04:59:18 < TheSeven> heh, here as well ;)
2016-11-04T05:06:19 < TheSeven> hm, how expensive is switching to pendsv, or some other way of dropping priority...
2016-11-04T05:06:38 < upgrdman> hmm. why does mouser sell 18650's
2016-11-04T05:06:57 < TheSeven> except that it can always be tail-chained
2016-11-04T05:06:58 < upgrdman> closest i see in some 18650s with wire leads soldered to them
2016-11-04T05:07:05 < upgrdman> *doesnt
2016-11-04T05:07:53 < TheSeven> I have some timer that ticks every 150 microseconds or so anyway
2016-11-04T05:09:23 < TheSeven> I can't afford to do any sensor work on that priority level, but if I could just switch to a lower priority and then compare systick vs. a timestamp, that would probably be feasible
2016-11-04T05:10:00 < TheSeven> reminds me that I should rework my code to "think" in sixths of a microsecond or something to get rid of that stupid division / 64bit multiplication thing
2016-11-04T05:10:49 < TheSeven> but I need to divide by 6
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2016-11-04T05:13:00 < TheSeven> yes, I could do some constant division optimization there, but I don't really want to hard-wire the whole thing
2016-11-04T05:13:19 < TheSeven> I probably should for this project, but right now I'm still using some generic library code there
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2016-11-04T05:14:38 < TheSeven> well something like ((x - (x >> 1)) >> 2) should probably equal division by 6
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2016-11-04T05:15:35 < zyp> uh, no
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2016-11-04T05:16:02 < zyp> (x - x/2) / 4 equals x/8
2016-11-04T05:16:18 < TheSeven> hm right
2016-11-04T05:17:17 < TheSeven> I should really just get the compiler to figure this out for me ;)
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2016-11-04T05:17:43 < zyp> or do your timebase in sixths of a microsecond like you said, so you won't have to divide
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2016-11-04T05:18:09 < TheSeven> heh, dunno how many places I'd have to touch for that
2016-11-04T05:18:34 < TheSeven> I should probably wrap everything that touches time into some macro
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2016-11-04T05:31:28 < TheSeven> hm, so 109255 + 62 is "before" 109285 - I guess something isn't quite right there
2016-11-04T05:32:25 < TheSeven> hm, so 109255 + 62 is "before" 109285 - I guess something isn't quite right there
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2016-11-04T05:55:36 < dongs> well, fucking altidumb
2016-11-04T05:55:58 < dongs> now it thinks i have a GND trace thats not to be connected to ground pour
2016-11-04T05:56:58 < TheSeven> "pour over all same net objects"
2016-11-04T05:57:02 < TheSeven> not just polygons
2016-11-04T05:57:16 < dongs> yeah, oops, just noticed thats wat was set
2016-11-04T05:57:25 < dongs> i always select the other one, must have fatfingered it
2016-11-04T05:57:44 < TheSeven> or just forgot to do it - it's a rather questionable default
2016-11-04T05:58:13 < TheSeven> ok, fuck that division stuff, I'm just gonna use tim2 as my microsecond timebase - gets me rid of a LOT of messy code
2016-11-04T05:58:38 < TheSeven> and reading it is WAY faster than systick#
2016-11-04T05:58:45 < dongs> no, thats what i mean, i always change that thing when creating new polygon
2016-11-04T05:58:53 < dongs> must have clicked off of it and didnt change
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2016-11-04T06:41:50 < Rob235> I'm confused, one site says LG TVs use NEC IR protocol and others say they use JVC?
2016-11-04T06:42:15 < dongs> does it even matter
2016-11-04T06:42:58 < Rob235> to make a remote? yes
2016-11-04T06:43:05 < dongs> surely not
2016-11-04T06:43:32 < dongs> pick a STM32 with IRTIM on it and you can modulate any protocol
2016-11-04T06:44:21 < Rob235> well I'm using NEC and it's working, I was just curious
2016-11-04T06:44:30 < dongs> did you write it
2016-11-04T06:44:32 < Rob235> no
2016-11-04T06:44:39 < Rob235> not wasting my time on this stupid remote
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2016-11-04T06:53:43 < dongs> haha, fuckin hell. PNY started shipping full-height brackets with quadro K1200
2016-11-04T06:53:47 < dongs> and its a salespoint now
2016-11-04T06:53:49 < dongs> fucking cunts
2016-11-04T06:54:09 < dongs> when they sold mine it only came wiht low profile bracket and thier sales guys basically told me to get fucked, no full-size bracket support.
2016-11-04T06:54:13 < dongs> gonna find that email
2016-11-04T06:54:18 < dongs> and get them to ship me a free one
2016-11-04T06:55:09 < dongs> found, emailed.
2016-11-04T06:55:09 < dongs> nice
2016-11-04T07:03:04 < Rob235> this remote is 19 lines, arduino/teensyduino is useful for something
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2016-11-04T07:30:53 < dongs> R2COM, should I puchase a VR headset
2016-11-04T07:35:05 < dongs> sounds uslesss
2016-11-04T07:37:23 < dongs> but you only like gay games
2016-11-04T07:38:13 < ohsix> lul, got 50cc scooter running earlier
2016-11-04T07:38:16 < ohsix> those things are fun
2016-11-04T07:38:29 < ohsix> chinese scooters are gr8
2016-11-04T07:39:33 < ohsix> i don't see how that follows
2016-11-04T07:40:01 < ohsix> people slag off chinese stuff generally and motorsports stuff specifically, can't get parts, can't get fixed, whatever; shits right on ebay/aliexpress
2016-11-04T07:40:22 < ohsix> the chinese ride more chinese bikes than america does and nobody is dying
2016-11-04T07:40:29 < ohsix> all of asia really huhuhu
2016-11-04T07:40:57 < ohsix> yep
2016-11-04T07:41:02 < ohsix> 300 million people aren't that much
2016-11-04T07:41:05 < ohsix> we're mostly old and fat
2016-11-04T07:42:04 < ohsix> subframe, wheels, carb, running gear is the same across a ton of models
2016-11-04T07:43:28 < ohsix> i got it to 45 in the short time i rode it, it's onlt 50cc, transmission is continuous belt
2016-11-04T07:43:48 < ohsix> it barely gets out of idle it's going pretty fast
2016-11-04T07:44:51 < ohsix> spent 2 days checking the wiring and everything that could keep it from starting, everything was fine. it's like new and it was stored improperly, so the fuel bowl had foamy crap in it, it ran after i drained it :D
2016-11-04T07:45:33 < ohsix> the break in time is 600 miles, odometer was like 740
2016-11-04T07:45:47 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-04T07:46:04 < ohsix> http://www.motor-scooters-guide.com/keeway-venus-50cc-motor-scooter-review.html
2016-11-04T07:46:32 < ohsix> er
2016-11-04T07:46:42 < ohsix> nm that isn't a 'review', that's garbage. anyways, taht's what it is
2016-11-04T07:46:53 < ohsix> someone bought it in like 2005 then stored it for 10 years
2016-11-04T07:47:24 < ohsix> oh wait hahah that guy may not even have had one
2016-11-04T07:47:39 < ohsix> the remote start, it doesn't actually work how he describes
2016-11-04T07:48:14 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: http://www.thescooterreview.com/images/reviews/keeway/venus_50/keyway_venus-02_med.jpg
2016-11-04T07:50:39 < ohsix> i found some rework and missing body screws, so someone had been in there
2016-11-04T07:50:49 < ohsix> but it was just the fuel bowl :D
2016-11-04T07:51:56 < ohsix> This is a nice lightweight machine, clearly designed with the ladies in mind however it also managed to be the fastest 50cc scooter we have tested so far. On flat ground it had no trouble keeping up with traffic up to a whopping 67km/h. It also set what we believe (will be more certain after the 50cc comparison test) is a very fast lap around our test track.
2016-11-04T07:52:48 < Kliment> R2COM: That's not what it means though
2016-11-04T07:52:51 < ohsix> blistering 42mph
2016-11-04T07:53:18 < Kliment> R2COM: It means "the wise are ruled by the stars"
2016-11-04T07:54:10 < ohsix> i have my bike too, fastest with the gears i've got is like 24, and that's a fast crank speed that makes you almost start bouncing
2016-11-04T07:54:55 < Kliment> R2COM: That makes sense for a spy agency, especially if they rely on sat imagery
2016-11-04T07:55:13 < ohsix> it had 740m on the odometer and it is still like new
2016-11-04T07:55:25 < ohsix> modulo body wear from being stored improperly, uv damage
2016-11-04T07:57:34 < Kliment> R2COM: Oh interesting - I'm sure someone who actually speaks Latin explained it to me once but I must be misremembering
2016-11-04T07:57:46 < Kliment> R2COM: (yes, there are modern Latin speakers)
2016-11-04T07:59:04 < Kliment> R2COM: That page says it's "will rule"
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2016-11-04T08:05:19 < Kliment> R2COM: Oh wow, this same argument, with a LOT more swearing, happened on a ukrainian forum
2016-11-04T08:06:13 < Kliment> R2COM: Apparently the quote is misused and misinterpreted often - even as far back as medieval times
2016-11-04T08:06:28 < ohsix> that's what quotes are for
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2016-11-04T08:07:30 < Kliment> R2COM: CIA's is "and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free", which is a biblical quote, but I think they don't use it officially anymore
2016-11-04T08:09:11 < Kliment> R2COM: But if you want some american spy agency history, check out the OSS
2016-11-04T08:09:26 < Kliment> R2COM: They were what the CIA is in movies, but in real life
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2016-11-04T08:51:38 < ReadErr> no
2016-11-04T08:53:25 < ohsix> no u
2016-11-04T08:54:04 < ReadErr> when they go low, we get high
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2016-11-04T10:07:19 < dongs> Intel acquires VR startup Voke to move deeper into immersive sports
2016-11-04T10:07:22 < dongs> stay voke
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2016-11-04T10:55:06 < Thorn> signal generator that I got for $474 will be $414 or so on 11.11 :/
2016-11-04T11:01:01 < Fleck> ;p
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2016-11-04T11:25:51 < Kliment> Thorn: When did you get it?
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2016-11-04T11:27:25 < Thorn> a week ago, hasn't yet arrived
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2016-11-04T11:39:50 < Kliment> Thorn: Sounds like it's not too late to return and reorder
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2016-11-04T13:10:57 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/CPlusPlus-Programming/intel-edison-nodejs-code/ found zyp asking for pakis
2016-11-04T13:14:08 < Kliment> dongs: You're just saying that to disguise the fact that it's you both proposing the project and bidding on it
2016-11-04T13:15:31 < Kliment> dongs: So as to feel important
2016-11-04T13:18:18 < dongs> totally
2016-11-04T13:18:30 < Kliment> See, I knew it
2016-11-04T13:19:26 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Internet-Marketing/Looking-for-investor-help-take/ ...
2016-11-04T13:21:09 < Kliment> There was one on there for designing an airframe for $300
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2016-11-04T13:30:22 < Tectu> any RF wizards around?
2016-11-04T13:31:01 < Tectu> as far as I know there are antennas that receive magnetic waves and antennas that receives the electric field. But when you actually send something - can you just send either too? you ALWAYS have both fields, no?
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2016-11-04T13:31:40 < Kliment> As long as the amplitude of the field is changing, one will induce the other
2016-11-04T13:31:48 < Kliment> That's how the waves propagate
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2016-11-04T13:45:57 < Tectu> indeed, that was my understanding
2016-11-04T13:46:17 < Tectu> so what's the advantage of picking up either the electric or the magnetic field?
2016-11-04T13:46:22 < Tectu> shouldn't both yield the same result?
2016-11-04T13:46:44 < jpa-> the antenna is shaped differently
2016-11-04T13:46:57 < jpa-> try fitting a loop antenna inside your iphone
2016-11-04T13:47:08 < Tectu> :D
2016-11-04T13:47:30 < jpa-> but in a properly matched antenna, i think both the electric and magnetic field are already generated at the antenna
2016-11-04T13:47:36 < Tectu> so picking up the electric field is easier in terms of the mechanics (or at least requires less room) but is more cumbersome smoewhere else I guess?
2016-11-04T13:48:28 < jpa-> depends also on frequency, try fitting 1MHz AM wire antenna in your 80's radio listening room
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2016-11-04T13:49:36 < jpa-> but yeah, seems that often low freq = DC-shortcircuited antenna (in simple thinking "magnetic field") and high freq = DC-opencircuited antenna ("electric field")
2016-11-04T13:50:54 < jpa-> but whether the distinction really makes any sense is a question i don't know answer to
2016-11-04T13:51:36 < jpa-> because to me it seems like the DC resistance and intuitive look of "magnetic" vs "electric" is not what is actually happening if you look at the antenna using e.g. transmission line theory
2016-11-04T13:52:04 < BrainDamage> jpa-'s correct, howrever, it's not the dc resistance that matters
2016-11-04T13:52:22 < Tectu> enlighten us, Mr. BrainDamage :)
2016-11-04T13:52:29 < BrainDamage> it's the characteristic impedance of the antenna at the interested freq
2016-11-04T13:52:46 < jpa-> Tectu: would you want to tell us how to distinguish a magnetic field antenna from electric field antenna? :P
2016-11-04T13:53:14 < BrainDamage> the characteristic impedance is exactly what determines the ratio of energy between the mag and electric field
2016-11-04T13:53:15 < Tectu> jpa-, I know barely anything about radio stuff. For me, a magnetic antenna is a wire loop and an electric one is an open loop - just as you said :p
2016-11-04T13:53:16 < jpa-> i hope that the correct answer is that "electric field antenna is poorly tuned in one direction, and magnetic field antenna is poorly tuned to the other direction"
2016-11-04T13:53:26 < Tectu> BrainDamage, can you elaborate on why that is?
2016-11-04T13:53:38 < BrainDamage> by definition
2016-11-04T13:53:58 < BrainDamage> it's literally defined as that
2016-11-04T13:54:05 < jpa-> characteristic impedance = U / I and U is connected to electric field, and I is connected to magnetic field
2016-11-04T13:54:39 < BrainDamage> yes altought the generic form uses the field energy
2016-11-04T13:55:02 < BrainDamage> because if you don't have a TEM mode you don't have an unique path integral to define an unique potential
2016-11-04T13:55:02 < jpa-> and a properly tuned antenna = 50 ohms on cable, 376 ohms to air
2016-11-04T13:55:08 < BrainDamage> yup
2016-11-04T13:55:19 < jpa-> so any properly tuned antenna would have the same impedance, i.e. the same proportion of mag vs. electric
2016-11-04T13:55:20 < BrainDamage> you can view an antenna as a gigantic transformer
2016-11-04T13:55:31 < Thorn> but e-field and m-field change into another depending on your reference frame
2016-11-04T13:55:50 < Thorn> does it mean that antenna coupling also changes?
2016-11-04T13:56:08 < BrainDamage> sure, doppler effect is a thing
2016-11-04T13:56:28 < jpa-> Thorn: what kind of reference frame? you mean if you have a spaceship travelling at 0.5c and a coaxial cable coming from it into an antenna on the ground? :P
2016-11-04T13:56:29 < BrainDamage> hint: you're rediscovering relativity atm
2016-11-04T13:56:41 < Tectu> lol
2016-11-04T13:57:23 < BrainDamage> for most shit it doesn't matter because c is so large
2016-11-04T13:58:05 < Tectu> BrainDamage, is the "huge transformer"-analogy a generally accepted one?
2016-11-04T13:58:24 < jpa-> it doesn't have to be huge
2016-11-04T13:58:41 < jpa-> but yeah, i've heard it at university also and i think we did some calculations like that also
2016-11-04T13:58:46 < BrainDamage> the correct microwave term would be an "impedance transformer"
2016-11-04T13:59:00 < BrainDamage> which is the generalization of a classic transformer
2016-11-04T13:59:05 < Thorn> c is slow, only 20 or so centimeters/ns (FR4)
2016-11-04T13:59:25 < BrainDamage> i used quotes because i translated it literally from the italian term i know
2016-11-04T13:59:25 < Thorn> jpa-: a spacecraft without the cable should be enough
2016-11-04T13:59:36 < BrainDamage> so the english one might be different
2016-11-04T13:59:50 < jpa-> Thorn: it should be inertial frame so equivalent to 0c frame
2016-11-04T14:01:07 < jpa-> Tectu: next you can ask why RFID uses loop antennas and we'll have to have 2 more hours of discussion :)
2016-11-04T14:01:29 < Thorn> that is near field
2016-11-04T14:01:31 < jpa-> yep
2016-11-04T14:01:44 < Tectu> Thorn, near field wouldn't work with electric or... ?
2016-11-04T14:01:44 < jpa-> and nothing of what was said above applies
2016-11-04T14:02:01 < Tectu> how come?
2016-11-04T14:02:16 < jpa-> all radio transmitters i've ever made have been near field.. because i still don't know how to tune an antenna
2016-11-04T14:02:17 < BrainDamage> because far field implies a propagative solution
2016-11-04T14:02:27 < BrainDamage> so both fields _must_ exist to have one
2016-11-04T14:02:29 < dongs> I can’t help but feel Apple has decided the core audience of their Unix-based powerhouse OS is the latte-sipping children in campus coffee shops and anything at all about their systems that appeals to anyone else is just something to be removed in the path to a sheet of paper with nothing but content. Frankly, it’s that total disconnect between what computer users want and what mobile users want that has me worried about the Mac.
2016-11-04T14:02:36 < BrainDamage> a near field solution doesn't
2016-11-04T14:02:51 < BrainDamage> you can have a B field without E or viceversa
2016-11-04T14:03:01 < BrainDamage> eg a magnet for a static B field
2016-11-04T14:03:11 < Tectu> I see
2016-11-04T14:03:27 < Tectu> so what's the reason to use a B field rather than an E field in the specific case of RFID?
2016-11-04T14:03:45 < jpa-> low voltage operation
2016-11-04T14:04:02 < jpa-> getting large enough E field to power the tag would require much higher voltage, like kilovolts
2016-11-04T14:04:24 < Thorn> and sparks
2016-11-04T14:04:36 < Tectu> ah :)
2016-11-04T14:05:20 < jpa-> but near field does work just fine for E field transmissions also.. typical consequence is a transmitter that you can hear only a meter or two away because the field doesn't propagate beyond capacitive coupling
2016-11-04T14:05:57 < Tectu> are there any real-world applications for that?
2016-11-04T14:06:17 < BrainDamage> piezo transformers
2016-11-04T14:06:36 < jpa-> the only application i know about is frustrating jpa-
2016-11-04T14:07:11 < BrainDamage> ( just because the dielectric is air instead of a solid, the principle doesn't change )
2016-11-04T14:07:36 < Tectu> piezo transformers? is that like an ultra small version of a "common" transformer?
2016-11-04T14:08:00 < BrainDamage> they only work at stupidly high voltages
2016-11-04T14:08:04 < BrainDamage> they are pretty niche
2016-11-04T14:08:40 < Tectu> even HaD knows about them: https://hackaday.com/2015/12/12/piezoelectric-transformers-are-a-thing-have-you-used-one/
2016-11-04T14:08:45 < jpa-> Tectu: i guess you could claim that capacitive touchscreens have near-field RF transmitters that communicate with your finger
2016-11-04T14:09:08 < jpa-> (using an E field)
2016-11-04T14:09:10 < Tectu> jpa-, hah! :D
2016-11-04T14:10:21 < Kliment> jpa-: Sounds like a very inefficient version of a Qi charger
2016-11-04T14:11:07 < Kliment> jpa-: Those communicate by switching a capacitor into/out of the antenna circuit
2016-11-04T14:12:20 < Kliment> I guess a finger is a capacitor of sorts
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2016-11-04T14:57:08 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMh66Lh4AQrkVBpN2N5RZuA
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2016-11-04T15:19:13 < Rob235> just looked at HaD, its like using cheap headphones as a microphone
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2016-11-04T16:03:01 < dekar> dongs, you use Apple? O.o
2016-11-04T16:06:48 < aandrew> no, he's quoting
2016-11-04T16:06:56 < aandrew> dongs uses japanos
2016-11-04T16:20:40 < Thorn> suppose I need 2 high side switches (load voltage > control voltage + 0.7V). one switch is always the inverse of another (so only 1 control signal). can you implement this using 3 transistors (2 pnp and 1 npn)?
2016-11-04T16:22:35 < ReadErr> dongs: 
2016-11-04T16:22:50 < ReadErr> holy shit, Laurence/b/ is opped
2016-11-04T16:22:57 < jpa-> Thorn: if the collector of one PNP goes down when it is off; this depends on the load (you could add a parallel resistor)
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2016-11-04T16:23:03 < ReadErr> http://intofpv.com/t-kiss-aio-fc
2016-11-04T16:23:11 < ReadErr> seems like its missing a bunch of caps?
2016-11-04T16:24:22 < Thorn> there is a constant current driver on the low side
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2016-11-04T16:44:07 < Rob235> haha wtf? I just came across this google privacy page and it shows everywhere I've been and the routes I've traveled, all my search data and times and dates I send messages...
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2016-11-04T16:44:35 < Rob235> they really do store a shitload of info
2016-11-04T16:49:18 < ReadErr> they also know ever youtube video you ever watched
2016-11-04T16:49:20 < ReadErr> theres a page for that
2016-11-04T16:50:18 < Rob235> omg, it shows me walking into work from 4pm to 4:01pm on august 22nd 2015 (random date I clicked)
2016-11-04T16:51:04 < Rob235> the driving routes arent exact but thats creepy
2016-11-04T16:51:57 < Lux> old news
2016-11-04T16:53:12 < Rob235> I mean I knew they did that, I've just never looked up my own data.  
2016-11-04T16:53:15 < Lux> but you can just deactivate it, dunno what really happens, except that you can't see it anymore :)
2016-11-04T16:54:02 < Rob235> yea I did, I'm sure they still log the data themselves though
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2016-11-04T17:02:02 <@Laurenceb> https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/15893
2016-11-04T17:04:48 <@Laurenceb> wtf i dont even https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EsJLNGVJ7E
2016-11-04T17:08:16 <@Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/mumg4GOl.jpg
2016-11-04T17:08:28 < Thorn> how does st-link use the target Vdd connection (if at all)?
2016-11-04T17:09:11 < Thorn> looking at f4-disco schematics the onboard st-link doesn't even see it by default (the resistor is "not fitted")
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2016-11-04T17:12:58 < PaulFertser> Thorn: it normally reports target voltage to OpenOCD, that's it. I assume proper standalone stlink uses target's voltage as a reference for all the signals.
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2016-11-04T17:13:41 < Thorn> would it still work if I don't break it out?
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2016-11-04T17:26:16 < PaulFertser> Thorn: with standalone or with embedded stlink? I'd say no for the first and yes for the second.
2016-11-04T17:28:22 < Thorn> it does work with embedded (as expected from its schematics) but I don't have standalone to test
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2016-11-04T18:26:54 < jadew> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9f5_1315330662
2016-11-04T18:28:44 <@Laurenceb> inb4 "infraction"
2016-11-04T18:28:51 < jadew> haha
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2016-11-04T19:10:28 < Rob235> whats up doods
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2016-11-04T19:32:39 < Steffanx> The sky robby.
2016-11-04T19:33:49 < ReadErr> bow down before great leader, Laurenceb 
2016-11-04T19:34:10 <@Laurenceb> muhahaha
2016-11-04T19:34:49 < ReadErr> yes massa anyting you want massa
2016-11-04T19:36:16 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqVjD3nBSQg&feature=youtu.be&t=67
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2016-11-04T20:49:03 < decimad> Anybody used ethernet on stm32 yet? Is there really no way to get notified by an interrupt when a read/write to a phy register finished?
2016-11-04T20:50:30 < decimad> This way I have to poll on the loop :-/
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2016-11-04T21:01:06 <@Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKzsktuqwyU
2016-11-04T21:01:29 < zyp> decimad, doesn't look like it
2016-11-04T21:01:38 < zyp> do you need to do a lot of phy writes?
2016-11-04T21:01:59 < decimad> well, I have to monitor the link status and set up the ptp clock over that interface
2016-11-04T21:02:07 < zyp> IME a typical PHY can just be strapped to sane defaults and you won't have to touch MII at all
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2016-11-04T21:10:48 < KreAture_Zzz> hoy hpy
2016-11-04T21:11:01 < KreAture_Zzz> I initialized and refreshed my sdram today :)
2016-11-04T21:11:31 < KreAture_Zzz> Need to implement a few more functions such as burst read and write (kinda important) and I can start storing data :)
2016-11-04T21:13:12 < KreAture_Zzz> The hardest part will be the access delay and clocking in the right data after it
2016-11-04T21:13:38 < KreAture_Zzz> want to avoid the buffer needing to be 10 byte longer than the actual data at the beginning so the data doesn't miss it LOL
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2016-11-04T21:37:16 < manuel_> hi, interesting question, on a stm32f3, we were (mis-)using Systick as a short period one-shot timer (around 700 ticks at 72 Mhz), and we were encounting some funny things (like systick looping around before triggering the IRQ). things seem much more sane now using a proper one shot timer (TIM7), which is what we should have done from the start. We don't have an ETM probe, and debugging the systick looping around was very "quantum", so I was wondering if som
2016-11-04T21:37:16 < manuel_> might know why it is a bad idea
2016-11-04T21:38:02 < manuel_> i can give more details as necessary
2016-11-04T21:38:11 < manuel_> i can't share the entire source however
2016-11-04T21:40:54 < zyp> are you aware that systick is downcounting, not upcounting?
2016-11-04T21:41:24 < manuel_> yes, so the way we figure it was looping is the following.
2016-11-04T21:42:11 < manuel_> the oneshot is used to send data to our DACs at a fixed deadline to avoid jitter in the control loop and have a fixed phase delay. there is a DSP function computing the new DAC output, which has slightly variable timing
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2016-11-04T21:43:06 < manuel_> to debug this, we would look at the remaining cnt in SYSTICK when the DSP computation was done. If we set the SYSTICK oneshot to say 900 ticks, the remaining value would be 130. If we set it to 800 ticks, the remaining value would be 30. If we set it to 700 ticks, the remaining value would suddenly be 150. and it would get weirder the lower we went
2016-11-04T21:44:06 < manuel_> this is even though the SYSTICK_Handler would disable SYSTICK (to have a oneshot behaviour)
2016-11-04T21:44:17 < manuel_> let me see if i can gist some actual code
2016-11-04T21:44:22 < manuel_> because this reads like a madman rambling
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2016-11-04T21:47:57 < manuel_> https://gist.github.com/wesen/b0b41f4f3f0ca3190714d85c07f78967
2016-11-04T21:48:03 < manuel_> i think this shows all the important parts
2016-11-04T21:48:29 < manuel_> we have SDADC1 hitting at 50 khz. it enabled the DAC oneshot, then runs our secret DSP plant, which at some point calls set_output_voltages
2016-11-04T21:48:48 < manuel_> sometime after than, Systick (our oneshot), takes those values and writes to the DAC 
2016-11-04T21:49:39 < manuel_> and the bla/bla_cnt logging ocnstruct is how figured that systick must wrap without actually triggering the interrupt right away
2016-11-04T21:51:10 < Thorn> concurrent higher priority interrupta?
2016-11-04T21:51:41 < manuel_> systick has precedence over all others
2016-11-04T21:52:03 < manuel_> it's DAC_ONESHOT_PRIORITY = 0, SDADC = 1, USB = 2
2016-11-04T21:52:06 < manuel_> and that's all we use
2016-11-04T21:52:23 < manuel_> and indeed DAC_ONESHOT jitters by 1 cycle, very barely
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2016-11-04T21:54:33 < manuel_> let me see if i can find my plots
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2016-11-04T21:57:52 < manuel_> https://www.evernote.com/l/AAbsmpSqLX5C5oiD2N5xcIh2nTgusZmLujo
2016-11-04T21:58:05 < manuel_> the oneshot timing is very reliable, which is good
2016-11-04T21:58:42 < manuel_> I have to run timing measurements for our new solution with TIM7
2016-11-04T22:02:04 < KreAture_Zzz> 1.3888888888888888888888888888889e-8
2016-11-04T22:02:14 < KreAture_Zzz> This number is copied from the windows 10 calculator
2016-11-04T22:02:21 < KreAture_Zzz> but, you cannot paste it back in!
2016-11-04T22:02:25 < KreAture_Zzz> it's invalid input!
2016-11-04T22:02:27 < KreAture_Zzz> lol
2016-11-04T22:03:18 <@Laurenceb> evernote.. wut
2016-11-04T22:03:31  * Laurenceb just uses octave for such things
2016-11-04T22:03:51 < Steffanx> but Laurenceb is mentally ill.
2016-11-04T22:04:33 < manuel_> Laurenceb: that's just for sharing the screenshot
2016-11-04T22:04:37  * Laurenceb grabs banhammer
2016-11-04T22:04:52 <@Laurenceb> i see
2016-11-04T22:04:54 < manuel_> just a screenshot from my mathematica session
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2016-11-04T22:05:30 < manuel_> hey Steffanx i remember you from #avrfreaks or something a really long time ago
2016-11-04T22:05:41 < Steffanx> #avr ?
2016-11-04T22:05:46 < Steffanx> You are this music box guy?
2016-11-04T22:06:04 < manuel_> yeah
2016-11-04T22:06:07 < manuel_> was
2016-11-04T22:06:13 < Steffanx> Oh, hi :)
2016-11-04T22:06:43 < manuel_> i don't get to do much firmware these days. it's still called embedded but it's like 1 GB RAM opengl yaddayadda
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2016-11-04T22:09:20 < Thorn> and default root password for Mirai
2016-11-04T22:10:15 < Steffanx> root + no password
2016-11-04T22:10:31 < manuel_> iot + big data + magic
2016-11-04T22:10:37 < manuel_> the iot stuff is actually pretty cool
2016-11-04T22:10:48 < Steffanx> This philips hue zigbee hack was funny.
2016-11-04T22:10:51 < manuel_> we get so much data form the field it almost doesn't feel like debugging embedded stuff anymore
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2016-11-04T22:13:35 < kakimir> hello
2016-11-04T22:16:25 < Steffanx> It's me.
2016-11-04T22:16:37 < manuel_> so what's new Steffanx 
2016-11-04T22:16:57 < Steffanx> Not much really.
2016-11-04T22:17:55 < Rob235> I'm using the IRremote lib for teensyduino (teensy 3.1/3.2) and it uses pin 5.  is that pin pulled down? how would I find out
2016-11-04T22:18:56 < manuel_> put a scope probe on it, then touch with your finger. if it's pulled down the signal should be a nice ground, if it's floating, it'll be all kinds of beautiful
2016-11-04T22:18:58 < Steffanx> avr can't do pull down i believe, so it must be pulled down externally then.
2016-11-04T22:19:33 < Kliment> Steffanx: It's not avr
2016-11-04T22:19:44 < Steffanx> oh teensy is no longer avr?
2016-11-04T22:19:50 < Kliment> Steffanx: It's a kinetis, M20 or something
2016-11-04T22:20:08 < Kliment> Steffanx: Don't remember the part number
2016-11-04T22:20:40 < Kliment> Steffanx: And I don't even remember who the manufacturer is today
2016-11-04T22:20:49 < Kliment> Freescale is no more, and now neither is XNP
2016-11-04T22:20:51 < Kliment> NXP*
2016-11-04T22:20:53 < KreAture_Zzz> hmm, due to the dma delay in the stm32f1 I get around 128ns skew between my data/control output and the clock
2016-11-04T22:20:53 < Rob235> ahh ok thanks
2016-11-04T22:21:41 < Steffanx> but you can see the code right Rob235? Then you can find the pin config.
2016-11-04T22:22:05 < Steffanx> ok, Kliment. Never cared about the teensy, so I didnt know :P
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2016-11-04T22:22:53 < Kliment> Steffanx: Teensy is one of the most advanced of the accessible platforms
2016-11-04T22:22:58 < Kliment> Steffanx: Really pretty code
2016-11-04T22:23:12 < Steffanx> It wasn't last time i looked at it. AVR -_-
2016-11-04T22:23:14 < Rob235> I got the 3.2 for $10, never used it until now
2016-11-04T22:23:24 < Kliment> Steffanx: Yeah, many years back
2016-11-04T22:23:41 < Rob235> I just noticed they came out with a new line
2016-11-04T22:23:45 < Rob235> 3.5 and 3.6
2016-11-04T22:24:00 < Rob235> when I downloaded the software
2016-11-04T22:24:03 < Kliment> Steffanx: And the routing on the new boards is phenomenally clean
2016-11-04T22:24:15 < Kliment> Steffanx: I admire that sort of thing :)
2016-11-04T22:24:28  * PaulFertser is forced to maintain an AVR project he started at work in 2007; for some obscure reason it's only now they've started to sell this hardware
2016-11-04T22:25:19 < Steffanx> Me too, PaulFertser. In assembly even.
2016-11-04T22:26:01 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: oh wow. I'm glad to hear I'm not alone :)
2016-11-04T22:26:57 < zyp> haha
2016-11-04T22:28:43 < Steffanx> I didn't start the project, but i do have to maintain it.
2016-11-04T22:29:25 < zyp> I did some work on an AVR project in 2011, I hope I never see that again :p
2016-11-04T22:30:14 < zyp> then again, I've changed jobs a couple of times since, and I'm not sure that company is even operating anymore
2016-11-04T22:30:51 < Steffanx> Sounds familiar too LeelooMinai.
2016-11-04T22:31:07 < Steffanx> Debugging code without a call stack etc. love it.
2016-11-04T22:31:08 < zyp> hmm, actually did some AVR work this spring too
2016-11-04T22:31:25 < Steffanx> legacy projects \o/
2016-11-04T22:31:48 < zyp> yeah, I was replacing some part of the code to interface with some new hardware module
2016-11-04T22:32:24 < zyp> I don't think arduino was a thing when I started with AVR
2016-11-04T22:32:45 < zyp> hmm, how old is arduino anyway?
2016-11-04T22:33:37 < Steffanx> 2005 it seems
2016-11-04T22:33:53 < zyp> yeah, but when did it get popular?
2016-11-04T22:34:38 < Steffanx> i remember i was tempted to buy a freeduino once. because much cheaper.
2016-11-04T22:35:31 < Steffanx> Dutch roots?
2016-11-04T22:36:35 < Steffanx> "going dutch" is a (well) know phrase right?
2016-11-04T22:37:03 < zyp> judging by https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=arduino it looks like it didn't get significant traction until 2008 or so, which is what I seem to recall as well
2016-11-04T22:37:21 < Steffanx> We are known cheapskates.
2016-11-04T22:37:28 < zyp> I don't think I heard about arduino before I went to uni, and I went to uni in 2008
2016-11-04T22:40:22 < Steffanx> Why? She finally figured out you are the computer nerd of the family?
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2016-11-04T22:48:17 < Steffanx> poor girl.
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2016-11-04T23:05:38 < aandrew> heh
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2016-11-04T23:05:56 < Steffanx> who would want that..
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2016-11-04T23:06:12 < aandrew> I have the WRT1900AC
2016-11-04T23:06:17 < aandrew> it is kind of mean looking but not quite like that
2016-11-04T23:06:39 < Steffanx> some unifi here. Looks much better imho :P
2016-11-04T23:10:11 < Kliment> Anyone here used the ST BLE stuff?
2016-11-04T23:10:29 < Steffanx>  pass.
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2016-11-04T23:12:40 < jadew> LeelooMinai, a nice cleanup would probably help more than a ssd at this point
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2016-11-04T23:15:05 < jadew> as for that router... I don't think anyone will buy it
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2016-11-04T23:16:27 < Steffanx> Im sure some will.
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2016-11-04T23:18:58 < jadew> looks like something you would find on an alien spaceship, so maybe if your bed was in the shape of a race car and you were a comic con level sci-fi fan
2016-11-04T23:20:53 < jadew> I bet 90% of those costumes get worn more than once a year
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2016-11-05T00:11:55 < qyx> I would suggest this https://www.amazon.ca/LEGO-DUPLO-First-Number-Building/dp/B00IRZT1AA/ref=sr_1_1?s=toys&ie=UTF8&qid=1478297500&sr=1-1&keywords=lego+duplo
2016-11-05T00:11:59 < qyx> much cheaper
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2016-11-05T00:17:52 < decimad> meh, chibios wasn't idle-waiting for an interrupt, but busy waiting and I wondered why the mcu got warm^^
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2016-11-05T00:21:14 < qyx> decimad: warm? what freq?
2016-11-05T00:21:36 < decimad> 168M
2016-11-05T00:22:18 < decimad> I said warm, not hot ;)
2016-11-05T00:24:39 < decimad> alright, phy queue and callback driver done, time to sleep or something
2016-11-05T00:38:09 < upgrdman> in c, can function pointers be defined to a specific memory address instead of using ptr = &foo;
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2016-11-05T00:38:52 < decimad> just cast whatever value you want
2016-11-05T00:39:24 < decimad> and live with the consequences ;)
2016-11-05T00:40:20 < upgrdman> decimad, this doesnt work: "void flash_iap(uint32_t command[], uint32_t result[]) = 0x1FFF1FF1;"
2016-11-05T00:40:21 < decimad> f.e. you might need to set the lsb on cortex
2016-11-05T00:40:42 < decimad> wtf are you doing there?
2016-11-05T00:41:01 < upgrdman> lpc1768 has a weird fucking way to write to flash
2016-11-05T00:41:11 < upgrdman> and it's a function at that address
2016-11-05T00:41:16 < upgrdman> this works:
2016-11-05T00:41:25 < upgrdman> typedef void (*IAP)(unsigned int [],unsigned int []);
2016-11-05T00:41:25 < upgrdman> IAP flash_iap = (IAP) 0x1FFF1FF1;
2016-11-05T00:41:29 < upgrdman> but i want a one liner :)
2016-11-05T00:42:11 < decimad> well, then  void (*IAP)( ... ) = 0x14141;
2016-11-05T00:42:55 < upgrdman> oh yes i forgot the (* ) ... thx
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2016-11-05T00:50:17 < upgrdman> also, another reason to hate the LPC1768: writes to flash can only be in 256/512/1024/4096 byte chunks. you can just write to any erased byte. wtf.
2016-11-05T00:50:27 < upgrdman> s/can/cant
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2016-11-05T01:06:23 < KreAture_Zzz> hmm
2016-11-05T01:06:50 < KreAture_Zzz> I can't seem to clear the timer dma request flag my dma is listening to 
2016-11-05T01:06:58 < KreAture_Zzz> result is the first transfer "comes too soon"
2016-11-05T01:07:35 < zyp> upgrdman, does it complain if the chunk is not erased?
2016-11-05T01:07:44 < upgrdman> yes
2016-11-05T01:07:49 < zyp> okay
2016-11-05T01:08:01 < zyp> well, yeah, shit like that is why I dislike lpc as well
2016-11-05T01:08:16 < upgrdman> the lpc1768 is like a whole collection of FUCK YOUs
2016-11-05T01:08:22 < upgrdman> wtf were they thinking
2016-11-05T01:08:31 < upgrdman> did they have their 8051 team design this shit
2016-11-05T01:08:42 < zyp> haven't worked on that, but both lpc43xx and lpc11 is awful too
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2016-11-05T01:34:13 < ohsix> sup
2016-11-05T01:34:19 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/Heiankyo_/status/794665635796152322
2016-11-05T01:34:24 < ohsix> for dongs but whatever
2016-11-05T01:34:30 < ohsix> howru upgrdman 
2016-11-05T01:34:36 < ohsix> in china still?
2016-11-05T01:34:43 < upgrdman> hellohsix
2016-11-05T01:34:46 < upgrdman> not in cn
2016-11-05T01:34:52 < upgrdman> havnt left usa
2016-11-05T01:35:04 < upgrdman> seem i wont be shanghai'd, at least not soon
2016-11-05T01:45:14 < KreAture_Zzz> ok, who is a dma god when it comes to stm32 ?
2016-11-05T01:45:16 < KreAture_Zzz> own up!
2016-11-05T01:45:39 < upgrdman> what periph
2016-11-05T01:45:44  * KreAture_Zzz needs the Oh-God of hangovers or the god of stm32 dma
2016-11-05T01:45:54 < KreAture_Zzz> the tim2
2016-11-05T01:46:48 < KreAture_Zzz> I use tim2_cc3 to trigger dma1_channel1 which is set to transfer n counts of data from memory to PORTB.ODR
2016-11-05T01:46:50 < KreAture_Zzz> :)
2016-11-05T01:46:54 < upgrdman> for stm32 i've only does uart dma
2016-11-05T01:47:27 < KreAture_Zzz> I clear all timer2 flags for cc3
2016-11-05T01:47:28 < upgrdman> for lpc1768 i've dma'd most periphs that support it :/ but the lpc sucks ass
2016-11-05T01:47:46 < KreAture_Zzz> and I clear the dma1 transfer done flag
2016-11-05T01:48:13 < KreAture_Zzz> and when I enable the dma transfer I get an immediate transfer of first data
2016-11-05T01:48:19 < KreAture_Zzz> then rest comes in at correct pace
2016-11-05T01:48:31 < KreAture_Zzz> That first trigger fucks up my clocking
2016-11-05T01:49:19 < KreAture_Zzz> I am wondering if parhaps it cannot be avoided, because then I can simply make sure first data is equal to curent control pins so that there is no change (aka let it do a auto refresh on sdram (idling while refreshing) one more cycle
2016-11-05T01:49:31 < KreAture_Zzz> it just feels like a wimpout/workaround
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2016-11-05T01:56:32 < frelon_> Hey which is faster with FPU instructions : float = int / int or float = int / float or float = float / float ?
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2016-11-05T01:59:04 < jadew> int / int = int
2016-11-05T01:59:38 < Fleck> u so smart!
2016-11-05T02:01:59 < jadew> I know! thanks.
2016-11-05T02:02:10 < frelon_> ah yeah right
2016-11-05T02:02:14 < jadew> I assume that for the other ones float / float might be faster
2016-11-05T02:02:40 < jadew> since it doesn't have to copy the int
2016-11-05T02:03:24 < frelon_> I see. so if I have a float a, and an int b, it's better to do "a = (float)b / 4096.0f " than "a = b / 4096"
2016-11-05T02:03:29 < frelon_> I mean faster*
2016-11-05T02:04:08 < jadew> what you got there yields different results
2016-11-05T02:04:16 < jadew> b / 4096 results in an int
2016-11-05T02:04:24 < jadew> which you then assign to a
2016-11-05T02:04:40 < frelon_> yes sorry, I meant "a = b / 4096.0f" for the last one
2016-11-05T02:04:42 < frelon_> my bad
2016-11-05T02:04:57 < jadew> I believe that it doesn't matter how you put it
2016-11-05T02:05:17 < jadew> (float)b / 123.0 or b / 123.0, b will still have to become a float
2016-11-05T02:05:30 < frelon_> ah yeah that's true
2016-11-05T02:05:35 < frelon_> thank you
2016-11-05T02:05:47 < jadew> np, the only way to know for sure is to compile it and look at the generated code
2016-11-05T02:05:59 < jadew> but I think it's a reasonable assumption
2016-11-05T02:06:07 < frelon_> yep, will do
2016-11-05T02:10:24 < frelon_> you're right, disassembly looks exactly the same
2016-11-05T02:10:44 < frelon_> jadew ^ 
2016-11-05T02:11:24 < jadew> yeah, but what I wasn't sure was if it has specific instructions for float / float, int / float and float / int, but I doubt that
2016-11-05T02:15:35 < frelon_> LeeloMinai : To be honest I find it difficult to read generated assembly, the same line is repeated several times and I don't really know where the real instruction is
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2016-11-05T02:18:13 < frelon_> I'm using STM32F411 chip programmed / debugged via a discovery board (through ST_LINK v2.1 and SWD). My debugger is OpenOCD but to disassembly I'm using eabi-objdump
2016-11-05T02:20:15 < frelon_> Well yeah, I'm using OpenSTM32 on Linux with OpenOCD, and it shows disassembly w/ source code but also kinda of "exploded"
2016-11-05T02:20:27 < frelon_> this is probably because of -O3 right?
2016-11-05T02:23:28 < frelon_> Ah I see. Well I was using -Os (by default) until last week but I had an interrupt overrun and -O3 solved it
2016-11-05T02:23:43 < frelon_> made me gain a few precious µs
2016-11-05T02:25:48 < frelon_> I'll try -Og and see how my interrupt goes
2016-11-05T02:25:57 < frelon_> thanks for your advice
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2016-11-05T02:28:06 < aandrew> yeah, don't try to debug optimized code
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2016-11-05T02:28:20 < aandrew> -Os for production, -O0 for debug. I haven't tried -Og yet
2016-11-05T02:30:42 < frelon_> I see. Then I have to optimize myself because -Os wasn't working...
2016-11-05T02:31:31 < frelon_> LeelooMinai : somehow, my a = b / 4096.0f converts to : http://pastebin.com/kag27v68 (in -Og)
2016-11-05T02:31:32 < aandrew> I don't think I've ever had -Os fail to work on ARM
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2016-11-05T02:32:05 < frelon_> aandrew : I mean it worked but my interrupt routine was taking longer than it's period of execution
2016-11-05T02:32:21 < aandrew> dude... are you sure you are allowed to touch FPU in an ISR?
2016-11-05T02:32:33 < aandrew> that's ... that's just a general purpose nyet
2016-11-05T02:33:01 < frelon_> LelooMinai : yes but why isn't there a vdiv.f32?
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2016-11-05T02:33:32 < frelon_> aandrew : really? well I'm kind of a newbie in that whole world so I had no clue...
2016-11-05T02:33:46 < aandrew> just for fun, move the FPU work out of the ISR
2016-11-05T02:34:08 < frelon_> but in my I2S interrupt I have to fill a buffer of sound samples, and for that I have to update some values
2016-11-05T02:34:34 < aandrew> you odn't have to do it in the ISR
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2016-11-05T02:34:37 < aandrew> precompute or postcompute
2016-11-05T02:34:42 < frelon_> so the I2S half transmit is calling a "fillbuf" function that is using linear interpolation to calculate the sample
2016-11-05T02:34:50 < frelon_> I see, I'll try to figure that out
2016-11-05T02:34:52 < frelon_> thanks
2016-11-05T02:35:44 < aandrew> it's just a guess though
2016-11-05T02:35:56 < aandrew> and it probably came from some rule I used to abide by in my linux driver work
2016-11-05T02:37:00 < frelon_> well I'm not sure I'm skilled enough to pre/postcompute : I wouldn't know when / where to do it. In the main?
2016-11-05T02:37:00 < aandrew> frelon_: #4 Using floating point calculations in an Interrupt Service Routine
2016-11-05T02:37:01 < aandrew> Floating point calculations are performed on a separate register bank inside the floating point unit. If both the main thread (e.g. main program) and interrupt service routines (ISR) use the FPU, extra context saving and restoring are required to ensure that the ISR does not corrupt the data used by the main thread.  The extra context saving and restoring requires extra clock cycles, and therefore if you want to have fast ISR response time, one way is to 
2016-11-05T02:37:08 < aandrew> #4 from https://community.arm.com/docs/DOC-7544
2016-11-05T02:37:53 < frelon_> aandrew : sweet! thanks! I'll read that carefully
2016-11-05T02:38:07 < aandrew> also found http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/57329/cortex-m4f-fpu-problems but it's not got an accepted answer
2016-11-05T02:40:02 < frelon_> well my floating point math inside the ISR works but is to slow for the ISR in -Os... I'll try to move it out of the ISR
2016-11-05T02:40:07 < Laurenceb_> I'm confused
2016-11-05T02:40:19 < Laurenceb_> when I try to use fpu it just works (tm)
2016-11-05T02:40:34 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: have you ever used FPU in an ISR?
2016-11-05T02:40:43 < frelon_> I find it very difficult for an inexperienced person like me to figure this timing structure thing out
2016-11-05T02:41:06 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: sure, all the time
2016-11-05T02:41:17 < aandrew> hm, ok
2016-11-05T02:41:21 < aandrew> was a good guess. :-)
2016-11-05T02:41:23 < Laurenceb_> gcc worked the majic?
2016-11-05T02:42:01 < aandrew> a 100% charge liion is 4.3V?
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2016-11-05T02:44:25 < Laurenceb_> https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2066/5807458526_dc54025065_b.jpg
2016-11-05T02:44:32 < KreAture_Zzz> LeelooMinai I think this sdram dma stuff works :)
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2016-11-05T02:44:53 < aandrew> oops
2016-11-05T02:45:07 < aandrew> found my first layout problem (of course after the panel is off to mfg)
2016-11-05T02:45:11 < aandrew> it's tiny though
2016-11-05T02:45:13 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai having a slight issue with the synch on first transfer I changed that to simply add a identical data value on first tx so that bus doesn't change at wrong place vs clock
2016-11-05T02:45:30 < aandrew> my voltage divider for detecting battery level is not actually connected to any ADC input
2016-11-05T02:45:49 < Laurenceb_> holy top kek https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/11/04/2131224/munich-court-to-try-facebooks-zuckerberg-for-inciting-hatred
2016-11-05T02:45:53 < frelon_> Hey are there some documents and tips on how to organize your program in terms of time? like I have my ADC DMA "fulltransfer" interrupt, I have my I2S DMA full and half transfer interrupt, my while loop whith some math...
2016-11-05T02:46:08 < frelon_> how to I learn to organize and prioritize all that
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2016-11-05T02:50:15 < aandrew> oh god what did the chinese do to deserve that
2016-11-05T03:02:00 < Laurenceb_> but I need my lulz
2016-11-05T03:12:36 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai the point as I mentioned is cost
2016-11-05T03:12:56 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai a stm32 running at 72 MHz can do 18 MHz clock to sdram :)
2016-11-05T03:12:59 < KreAture_> atleast
2016-11-05T03:13:01 < KreAture_> maybe even better
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2016-11-05T03:25:57 < aandrew> craziness
2016-11-05T03:26:10 < aandrew> 0R007 shunt resistor still needs to be rated for 1W
2016-11-05T03:27:10 < aandrew> INA199A1 will let me measure almost 10A with that resistor
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2016-11-05T03:39:36 < KreAture_> aandrew for high amps I prefer inductive sensors
2016-11-05T03:39:42 < KreAture_> as in hall
2016-11-05T03:39:54 < KreAture_> doesn't work for high frequency stuff though
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2016-11-05T03:46:14 < aandrew> actually active hall sensors work pretty decently up into the low hundred khz
2016-11-05T03:46:18 < aandrew> (i.e. LEMs)
2016-11-05T03:59:22 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/321905011096 got this, it is not 3w but haven't measured; has a decent long throw and is p. good for junk
2016-11-05T04:01:45 < ohsix> 280mA
2016-11-05T04:05:15 < KreAture_> aandrew 100khz is very low in my world
2016-11-05T04:05:30 < aandrew> KreAture_: ah ok
2016-11-05T04:05:48 < KreAture_> I often monitor curent at or abowe 1 Mhz but that is usually due to emi etc
2016-11-05T04:06:17 < aandrew> I'm looking at building a little CT board using MCP3914s for the front ends
2016-11-05T04:06:38 < dongs> KreAture_: status of sdram
2016-11-05T04:06:39 < aandrew> I figure 7 CTs and a voltage input for phase info, I could meter my entire breaker panel with 4 of them
2016-11-05T04:09:59 < ohsix> yar that little flashlight is pretty cool for $2
2016-11-05T04:20:52 < ohsix> hm those gps things have a really soon estimated delivery date, nov1-16
2016-11-05T04:26:16 < ohsix> a context switch is as small as changing the stack pointer or changing one register from stored context
2016-11-05T04:27:50 < ohsix> nah you can do context switch by changing one register
2016-11-05T04:27:57 < ohsix> wanna guess how?
2016-11-05T04:28:30 < ohsix> too slow, j
2016-11-05T04:29:04 < ohsix> you can make the new context from that one register do its' own setup
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2016-11-05T04:29:56 < ohsix> if it doesn't do anything but return or not modify registers, it will be quick indeed
2016-11-05T04:30:27 < ohsix> anything can initiate that jump
2016-11-05T04:30:37 < ohsix> like an irq to nvic to handler table
2016-11-05T04:32:19 < ohsix> c calling conventions again
2016-11-05T04:32:32 < aandrew> that's similar to the FIQ vs IRQ
2016-11-05T04:32:35 < ohsix> when you call a leaf function, the caller can set up the stack frame/context, or the callee can do it
2016-11-05T04:33:54 < aandrew> fast IRQ
2016-11-05T04:34:52 < ohsix> i guess the overall point is don't hang too much on 'context switch'
2016-11-05T04:36:32 < dongs> fast autism?
2016-11-05T04:36:47 < ohsix> if you're in an irq you know where you came from
2016-11-05T04:37:05 < ohsix> you can always switch stacks, too
2016-11-05T04:37:22 < ohsix> so you'll have _start +somecode +untilthat +threadwas +spawned +leaf
2016-11-05T04:39:49 < ohsix> that is a plugin for the task view
2016-11-05T04:40:07 < ohsix> it tells the debugger about the processes and their context, the threads
2016-11-05T04:40:12 < ohsix> not the stack of any of them
2016-11-05T04:40:35 < ohsix> if you're writing a gdb stub you'd just add that information, since the gdb protocol can carry it
2016-11-05T04:41:20 < ohsix> if you know about the threads you can inspect any of them, and then it is just regular stack inspection
2016-11-05T04:41:38 < ohsix> you aren't going to be using a language that needs something like your own libunwind
2016-11-05T04:49:22 < ohsix> https://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb/General-Query-Packets.html#multiprocess%20extensions
2016-11-05T04:49:35 < ohsix> qL / qfThreadInfo
2016-11-05T04:49:47 < ohsix> k
2016-11-05T04:49:51 < ohsix> writing a gdb stub isn't so bad
2016-11-05T04:49:55 < ohsix> would recommend doing at least once
2016-11-05T04:50:21 < ohsix> basically you turn your device&serial port into the debugger, or device&ip port, or whatever
2016-11-05T04:50:35 < ohsix> and ~everything can connect via gdb
2016-11-05T04:51:02 < ohsix> eh
2016-11-05T04:51:26 < ohsix> i thought i was clear enough saying they were equivalent, but let me be more direct, calling it event based isn't saying anything :p
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2016-11-05T04:52:51 < ohsix> https://sourceware.org/git/?p=binutils-gdb.git;a=tree;f=gdb/gdbserver;h=eb2c54f89acdfb9c62afa224eae5d8a9618092cf;hb=HEAD this is itself, a gdb stub
2016-11-05T04:53:01 < ohsix> but you can run it on a linux host and a bunch of other stuff and debug processes on there
2016-11-05T04:55:05 < ohsix> i get how it was different withotu elaboration, but freertos and chibios support 'events' in OS/rtos regular use parlance
2016-11-05T04:56:16 < ohsix> with busy waits you don't need to either
2016-11-05T04:56:22 < ohsix> and you don't 'block'
2016-11-05T05:01:48 < dongs> haha
2016-11-05T05:01:48 < upgrdman_> heh, the chinese are really taking their military body gear seriously. video plays like some video game advertisement   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AniuqWxmDYc
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2016-11-05T05:01:57 < dongs> PNY replied and they're gonna ship me a full-size bracket for my K1200
2016-11-05T05:01:59 < dongs> awesome
2016-11-05T05:02:56 < ohsix> upgrdman: that'll sell huge in america too
2016-11-05T05:03:20 < ohsix> might actually one-up the more staid, 'we are very serious' vendors huhuhu
2016-11-05T05:03:26 < ohsix> there's already a brand called ZOG
2016-11-05T05:03:46 < upgrdman> ohsix, true
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2016-11-05T05:05:59 < ohsix> upgrdman: werd @ not shanghai'd yet, actually had to run after i asked that D:
2016-11-05T05:06:50 < upgrdman> ya feels good to be in the first world still
2016-11-05T05:07:04 < ohsix> i was so glad to find a staple in my tire when it was flat, like you have NO IDEA; the last few times it's been bits of glass or something in the tire material, and it took a really careful inspection of the outside and the inside, took like 3 hours over a few flats
2016-11-05T05:07:35 < ohsix> people busting glass on the highway cuz they're throwing out the evidence before they go south or some shit
2016-11-05T05:08:16 < ohsix> glass bits in tire is the gaslighting of tire flats
2016-11-05T05:11:01 < ohsix> i kind of wouldn't mind a tire that exploded when it was a reasonable gash or something, but these are efficient and really robust, i had a drywall screw go through it on the 4th of july and it didn't harm the tire enough to need to replace it, but it fucked errythin' up; some gouges in the rim and a bunch of holes and an almost cartoonish splatter explosion in the initial puncture
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2016-11-05T05:22:23 < upgrdman> ohsix, youre in .or right?
2016-11-05T05:22:25 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-05T05:22:41 < upgrdman> middle class area?
2016-11-05T05:22:49 < ohsix> essentially
2016-11-05T05:23:04 < ohsix> lots of doctors and people with second homes tha tlike the ski season and the privacy
2016-11-05T05:23:14 < upgrdman> and lots of people throughing stuff onto the roads?
2016-11-05T05:23:19 < ohsix> i don't live anywhere near them huhu
2016-11-05T05:23:27 < ohsix> oh
2016-11-05T05:23:30 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-05T05:23:37 < upgrdman> bummer
2016-11-05T05:23:41 < ohsix> it's not necessarily people that live here doing it, maybe just passing through
2016-11-05T05:23:50 < dongs> fuck this racist ebayer doesn't ship to alaska/hawaii
2016-11-05T05:23:55 < ohsix> you only need one teenager or real fuckwit to ruin the sidewalks for tens of miles around
2016-11-05T05:24:10 < upgrdman> i think the thing i like most about my current job is i live ~2m (3km) from work
2016-11-05T05:24:15 < ohsix> they'll keep pitching bottles, even if they do it relatively rarely it adds up
2016-11-05T05:24:29 < upgrdman> i dont drive much any more. its been >1 month since i was on a highway
2016-11-05T05:24:31 < upgrdman> feels so good
2016-11-05T05:24:36 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-05T05:24:57 < ohsix> yea i've been on the bike cuz car isn't running, last few weeks was a little tough due to rain but i rode anyways
2016-11-05T05:25:08 < upgrdman> sometimes my car's engine doesnt even get up to temp by the time i park at work
2016-11-05T05:25:29 < upgrdman> must be bad for the engine, but fuck it, LifesGood(tm)
2016-11-05T05:26:04 < dongs> you should be biking to work, not be a fat american faggot
2016-11-05T05:26:22 < upgrdman> unrelated, i wish youtube would add an audio auto-level thing
2016-11-05T05:26:47 < upgrdman> dongs, i've walked to work a couple times, but ya... try biking or walking in so cal
2016-11-05T05:27:03 < upgrdman> the only people that walk or bike are FUCKING WEIRD
2016-11-05T05:27:12 < dongs> hipsters?
2016-11-05T05:27:14 < upgrdman> like drug addicts that lost their license or shit
2016-11-05T05:27:17 < dongs> nice
2016-11-05T05:27:54 < upgrdman> in the rich neighborhoods there might be soccer mom's jogging around, but other than that, few walk/bike around
2016-11-05T05:29:10 < dongs> ReadErr: beep
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2016-11-05T05:30:07 < dongs> An unknown connection error occurred. (The client could not send a complete request to the server. (The underlying connection was closed: An unexpected error occurred on a send.))
2016-11-05T05:30:29 < dongs> found
2016-11-05T05:31:10 < dongs> hmm
2016-11-05T05:31:10 < dongs> nope
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2016-11-05T05:31:33 < ohsix> upgrdman: it looked cool in sf
2016-11-05T05:31:41 < ohsix> or rather, it looked like it would be nice
2016-11-05T05:31:48 < upgrdman> it == ?
2016-11-05T05:31:53 < upgrdman> to live?
2016-11-05T05:31:53 < ohsix> i didn't get to bring my bike an d i have mixed feeligns about that
2016-11-05T05:31:57 < ohsix> oh, ride bikes
2016-11-05T05:32:10 < upgrdman> should be fun with their hills
2016-11-05T05:32:11 < ohsix> walking was cool too, everything is so compact
2016-11-05T05:32:41 < ohsix> yea those are basically by the houses/bodegas huhu, the castro and other main streets that go around the neighborhoods are pretty level
2016-11-05T05:36:15 < upgrdman> hmmm. kind want a quality fan for the living room. wonder if some overpriced dyson shit will go one sale for black friday
2016-11-05T05:36:16 < ohsix> i've got a long list of reasons to visit again
2016-11-05T05:36:28 < ohsix> black friday is rip in peace
2016-11-05T05:36:34 < upgrdman> ?
2016-11-05T05:36:49 < ohsix> the stores (walmart, target, everyone) have holiday only skus and you don't even get a good deal anymore
2016-11-05T05:37:15 < ohsix> they used to take a hit on regular skus, regular tv's, have some enticement for you to come in and stand in line
2016-11-05T05:37:19 < ohsix> now it's just a bunch of garbage
2016-11-05T05:37:54 < upgrdman> ya i ~only shop online now
2016-11-05T05:37:55 < ohsix> i got to do the last 2 interesting black fridays and those were years ago D:
2016-11-05T05:38:47 < upgrdman> is there any quality fan company other than dyson? dysons looks neat and all, but all look like they want to be the center of attention.
2016-11-05T05:39:40 < dongs> isnt dyson just garbage
2016-11-05T05:40:11 < dongs> also last I looked their dumb 'no fan' fans justhad a fucking fan in teh base
2016-11-05T05:41:09 < upgrdman> dongs, ya they have fans, but its in the base and uses the venturi effect or some shit to "multiply" air flow
2016-11-05T05:41:21 < upgrdman> englishman, my pay is ... not bad :)
2016-11-05T05:43:24 < ohsix> 'quality fan' might be a thing only a company like dyson could be considered to be part of
2016-11-05T05:43:26 < upgrdman> englishman, theres LOT of marketing wank. but its also a quality product. very overpriced, but quality.
2016-11-05T05:43:45 < upgrdman> walk up to one and finger it
2016-11-05T05:43:47 < ohsix> what do you mean by quality? does it have to be a certain size?
2016-11-05T05:44:03 < upgrdman> quieter for a given air flow, good fit and finish, etc.
2016-11-05T05:44:03 < ohsix> even if shit is cheap, it's cheap, you can buy a new one each year ;]
2016-11-05T05:44:11 < ohsix> o
2016-11-05T05:44:40 < upgrdman> i dont like the style of dyson's.
2016-11-05T05:44:44 < ohsix> that or you're just describing dyson
2016-11-05T05:44:47 < upgrdman> they want to be the center of attention
2016-11-05T05:44:53 < ohsix> make something with pvc and muffin fans
2016-11-05T05:45:09 < ohsix> you can have nano-microclimate ducting
2016-11-05T05:45:14 < upgrdman> i had a rMBP, sold it after ~2 years 
2016-11-05T05:45:49 < ohsix> here's a super pro tip people don't really seem to know about: lower the pressure in the room and air will come in that is fresh from every hole it is able
2016-11-05T05:45:56 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, not everyone is worried about price. for some people $400 is pocket change. a rounding error.
2016-11-05T05:46:10 < ohsix> you can have the fan on a different floor of the house even
2016-11-05T05:46:47 < dongs> < englishman> pick up a macbook pro while you're at it, with the retina screen and thunderdongs on two sides
2016-11-05T05:46:50 < dongs> haha
2016-11-05T05:47:08 < upgrdman> kinda wish Noctua would make some non-PC fans :)
2016-11-05T05:47:18 < dongs> his computer actually nails what I wanted pretty well. I'm a developer who works in coffee shops a lot, and I appreciate the battery life, the weight, and especially the brighter screen.
2016-11-05T05:47:30 < dongs> With a better screen, text can be smaller AND more readable. Also, I think the touch bar will be very convenient because I don't really use the function keys much.
2016-11-05T05:47:49 < dongs> however, I am mystified that they didn't include a lightning port instead of the headphone jack. It's really odd that my new iPhone 7 headphones won't plug into my new MBP, especially after the talk of courage and all.
2016-11-05T05:48:07 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, if you have a six-figure salary, you make $400 is less than a day
2016-11-05T05:48:48 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, to brag about it? sure. to spend it on something you like? not at all.
2016-11-05T05:49:54 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, lol. if you weren't poor, you wouldnt waste your time with that question
2016-11-05T05:50:43 < upgrdman> but you're neither
2016-11-05T05:51:55 < upgrdman> welcome to IRC
2016-11-05T05:52:16 < dongs> upgrdman: why you wasting time with leelooman anyway. all EE professionals in teh channel already placed him on ignore
2016-11-05T05:52:25 < upgrdman> dongs, good point
2016-11-05T05:52:32 < dongs> I just spent $450 on a HDMI 4K signal generator
2016-11-05T05:52:38 < upgrdman> back to amazon on a quest for nice fan
2016-11-05T05:52:57 < ohsix> got biodegradable/starch packing with headphones
2016-11-05T05:52:57 < upgrdman> dongs, sig gen? like just color bars?
2016-11-05T05:53:07 < ohsix> the kind that dissolve in water
2016-11-05T05:53:20 < ohsix> gave one to the dog
2016-11-05T05:53:23 < dongs> yeah, but more stuff, basically i need to make signal to test my panel stuff but I dont wanna attach it to a pc and deal with monitor connect/disconnect etc
2016-11-05T05:53:52 < dongs> plus it has a nice edid editor/override stuff, can sniff ddc comms and shit
2016-11-05T05:54:16 < upgrdman> nice
2016-11-05T05:54:21 < upgrdman> hdmi2.0b?
2016-11-05T05:55:38 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: or don't keep lists
2016-11-05T05:57:30 < upgrdman> englishman, six figs doesnt just mean 100k
2016-11-05T05:57:54 < upgrdman> $150k / year is easily $400 a day take home
2016-11-05T05:59:27 < upgrdman> englishman, you work 365/year in .ca?
2016-11-05T05:59:44 < upgrdman> no
2016-11-05T06:00:01 < upgrdman> wait for black friday to see if any shits gonna get cheap
2016-11-05T06:00:23 < upgrdman> but planning now so i can quickly good on friday and pull the trigger on legit deals
2016-11-05T06:00:28 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: if i'm making a list of personality features of other people i'm wasting my time
2016-11-05T06:00:29 < upgrdman> s/good/google
2016-11-05T06:00:54 < ohsix> goes to that shit i said the other day, as far as philosophy goes, if you get the impulse to call someone an idiot, why would you talk to an idiot to do it?
2016-11-05T06:02:15 < ohsix> do you have evidence that anyone has ever been effective in doing that
2016-11-05T06:03:22 < ohsix> elaborate impotence
2016-11-05T06:03:32 < ohsix> gg marc maron
2016-11-05T06:04:38 < dongs> snort
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2016-11-05T06:13:10 < ReadErr> dongs: was just ringing to see if you knew how this german capless technology worked
2016-11-05T06:13:51 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/jpdowling/status/794653015802281990
2016-11-05T06:14:05 < ohsix> ReadErr: more inrush current junk?
2016-11-05T06:14:14 < ReadErr> http://intofpv.com/t-kiss-aio-fc
2016-11-05T06:15:20 < ohsix> what are the capacitors purportedly for in this context
2016-11-05T06:15:52 < ohsix> huhuh old guy that works at walmart that i like was talking about drone fpv shit when i was there
2016-11-05T06:16:02 < ohsix> 'people just sit and they go really fast'
2016-11-05T06:16:05 < ohsix> +racing
2016-11-05T06:17:36 < ReadErr> ohsix: well theres 4 ESCs and and MCU in the middle
2016-11-05T06:17:45 < ReadErr> err MPU
2016-11-05T06:18:22 < ReadErr> and it just seems like they have 1/3rd the amount one would expect
2016-11-05T06:21:30 < upgrdman> ReadErr, lipo batteries have low esr. and rc hobby people tolerate brown-outs. :)
2016-11-05T06:21:55 < upgrdman> so 2 or 3 MLCCs and its "good enough" but not good
2016-11-05T06:23:43 < upgrdman> also, *FIVE* stm32's on that board. lol
2016-11-05T06:23:48 < ReadErr> i mean even the f0s only have 1cap
2016-11-05T06:24:02 < ReadErr> just seems like they left a lot off
2016-11-05T06:24:26 < upgrdman> they did.
2016-11-05T06:24:34 < upgrdman> but its rc, this isn't uncommon
2016-11-05T06:26:38 < upgrdman> at that point tho, with 5 MCUs, i wonder why they didnt just do 1 cpld
2016-11-05T06:26:57 < upgrdman> xo2-640hc is like $5 or less
2016-11-05T06:27:31 < upgrdman> true
2016-11-05T06:29:26 < upgrdman> what are the ICs next to the half-bridges on that KISS board? op amps?
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2016-11-05T06:30:57 < ReadErr> drivers
2016-11-05T06:35:06 < dongs> ReadErr: any idea about my esxi shit
2016-11-05T06:35:14 < ReadErr>  what shit
2016-11-05T06:35:29 < dongs> < dongs> An unknown connection error occurred. (The client could not send a complete request to the server. (The underlying connection was closed: An unexpected error occurred on a send.))
2016-11-05T06:35:37 < dongs> cant connect to viclient
2016-11-05T06:35:41 < dongs> can connect to shell, stuff is running
2016-11-05T06:35:46 < dongs> all VMs are running but one is ded
2016-11-05T06:35:46 < ReadErr> oh you can restart the management agent
2016-11-05T06:35:49 < dongs> i did
2016-11-05T06:35:56 < dongs> hostd and vpxa or wahtever
2016-11-05T06:35:57 < dongs> no change
2016-11-05T06:36:20 < ReadErr> does dmesg say anything
2016-11-05T06:36:27 < dongs> nothing interesting that i can see
2016-11-05T06:36:28 < ReadErr> or vmkernel.log
2016-11-05T06:36:32 < ReadErr> vpxa.log
2016-11-05T06:36:33 < dongs> lets see that one
2016-11-05T06:36:42 < ReadErr> check to see if the FS didnt go read-only too
2016-11-05T06:36:48 < ReadErr> touch a file
2016-11-05T06:36:59 < dongs> which fs
2016-11-05T06:37:00 < dongs>  / ?
2016-11-05T06:37:07 < ReadErr> yea just goto /tmp
2016-11-05T06:37:10 < ReadErr> and touch dicks
2016-11-05T06:37:15 < dongs> works
2016-11-05T06:37:49 < ReadErr> hm
2016-11-05T06:38:09 < dongs> [FFBE71A0 warning 'Default'] Document root directory not found at /etc/vmware/vpxa/docRoot
2016-11-05T06:38:35 < ReadErr> you using the webclient or desktop one?
2016-11-05T06:38:39 < dongs> desktop
2016-11-05T06:38:40 < dongs> this is 5.5
2016-11-05T06:38:59 < ReadErr> when you restarted management, did you do hostd then vpxa in that order?
2016-11-05T06:39:04 < dongs> yes
2016-11-05T06:39:32 < ReadErr> try to stop both of them then do a ps
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2016-11-05T06:39:42 < ReadErr> and see if something is staying running
2016-11-05T06:39:58 < ReadErr> sometimes it wont graceful shutdown
2016-11-05T06:41:07 < dongs> neither are running
2016-11-05T06:41:27 < dongs> so i start hosd, then vpxa?
2016-11-05T06:41:33 < ReadErr> yea
2016-11-05T06:41:44 < dongs> Ramdisk 'hostd' with estimated size of 303MB already exists
2016-11-05T06:41:48 < dongs> (that was same msg before too)
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2016-11-05T06:42:17 < dongs> ok both restarted
2016-11-05T06:42:23 < dongs> same shit tho
2016-11-05T06:42:42 < dongs> and I just powerdown and powercycle the dead vm from cli?
2016-11-05T06:42:49 < ReadErr> yea
2016-11-05T06:43:04 < ReadErr> vim-cmd vmsvc/getallvms
2016-11-05T06:43:16 < ReadErr> get the # then you can control it
2016-11-05T06:43:55 < dongs> ok got vmid
2016-11-05T06:43:55 < dongs> 18
2016-11-05T06:44:19 < ReadErr> vim-cmd vmsvc/power.on vmid
2016-11-05T06:44:40 < dongs> power.off first ya?
2016-11-05T06:44:57 < ReadErr> yea depends on the state
2016-11-05T06:45:11 < dongs> doenst say but whatever
2016-11-05T06:45:12 < dongs> pwoered off
2016-11-05T06:45:13 < dongs> rebooting
2016-11-05T06:45:15 < ReadErr> you can just remove the last part and hit enter and it will show all options
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2016-11-05T06:47:15 < ReadErr> well to figure out what fucked up
2016-11-05T06:47:16 < dongs> hm
2016-11-05T06:47:20 < ReadErr> scp the logs off
2016-11-05T06:47:23 < ReadErr> gunzip them
2016-11-05T06:47:30 < ReadErr> then just cat|sort
2016-11-05T06:47:40 < dongs> how do i view curent status of that shit
2016-11-05T06:47:46 < dongs> still cant ping it
2016-11-05T06:47:48 < dongs> hmm i wonder wtf happened
2016-11-05T06:48:22 < dongs> does power.off actually force it to toff completely or does it do the OS soft shutdown shit
2016-11-05T06:48:32 < ReadErr> power.off is a hard poweroff
2016-11-05T06:48:35 < dongs> ok
2016-11-05T06:48:36 < dongs> hm
2016-11-05T06:48:42 < dongs> still not coming up.
2016-11-05T06:48:52 < dongs> and i still cant connect through management interface.
2016-11-05T06:48:53 < ReadErr> sounds disk related sorta 
2016-11-05T06:49:08 < ReadErr> but if its still writing logs maybe not
2016-11-05T06:49:25 < ReadErr> actually it will still write logs in some cases
2016-11-05T06:49:32 < ReadErr> its when you go to reboot it, it will fuck up
2016-11-05T06:49:42 < dongs> im running off some shitty 4gb usb stick
2016-11-05T06:50:02 < ReadErr> zgrep the logs for hba32
2016-11-05T06:50:17 < ReadErr> that should be the default for the usb stick
2016-11-05T06:50:35 < dongs> nothing of value
2016-11-05T06:50:48 < ReadErr> which dir are you in?
2016-11-05T06:50:56 < dongs> var/log
2016-11-05T06:51:08 < dongs> i mean theres hba32 shit but just verbose junk
2016-11-05T06:51:09 < dongs> no errors
2016-11-05T06:51:15 < ReadErr> is there a vmware dir in there
2016-11-05T06:51:19 < dongs> ya
2016-11-05T06:51:23 < ReadErr> check in that one
2016-11-05T06:51:25 < dongs> and journal
2016-11-05T06:51:26 < dongs> and empty
2016-11-05T06:51:39 < ReadErr> paste the filelist
2016-11-05T06:51:45 < ReadErr> ls -lnahtr
2016-11-05T06:51:45 < dongs> in var/logmvmware?
2016-11-05T06:51:48 < dongs> just journal
2016-11-05T06:51:49 < ReadErr> ls -lnahtrR
2016-11-05T06:51:52 < ReadErr> of /var/log
2016-11-05T06:52:15 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/SWs6aD48.html
2016-11-05T06:52:19 < dongs> most logs are in /scratch
2016-11-05T06:52:55 < ReadErr> yea 
2016-11-05T06:53:01 < ReadErr> so thats ram
2016-11-05T06:53:10 < ReadErr> those .dmp dont seem right 
2016-11-05T06:53:34 < dongs> oh hm
2016-11-05T06:53:43 < dongs> thats today too
2016-11-05T06:54:06 < dongs> # This file was generated by vmkbacktrace and contains stack frame  dump of a running user world application.
2016-11-05T06:54:12 < dongs> hostd crashing? lol
2016-11-05T06:54:32 < ReadErr> yea
2016-11-05T06:55:20 < ReadErr> im 90% its probably filesystem related 
2016-11-05T06:56:46 < ReadErr> anything in hostd.log ?
2016-11-05T06:56:51 < dongs> nothign of value no
2016-11-05T06:57:35 < dongs> 2016-11-05T13:33:43.043Z [5FFA1B70 error 'SoapAdapter.HTTPService'] Failed to read request; stream: <io_obj p:0x606870b0, h:-1, <TCP '0.0.0.0:0'>, <TCP '0.0.0.0:0'>>, error: N7Vmacore16TimeoutExceptionE(Operation timed out)
2016-11-05T06:58:05 < dongs> host do i see that vm18 current state
2016-11-05T06:58:19 < dongs> i think it wa sstil powering off when i did power on again
2016-11-05T06:58:19 < ReadErr> wmkwarning.log
2016-11-05T06:58:35 < ReadErr> the getallvms shows the powerstate too i think
2016-11-05T06:58:48 < dongs> 2016-10-31T09:30:46.201Z cpu0:32789)WARNING: ScsiDeviceIO: 1223: Device eui.001b4d2023673155 performance has deteriorated. I/O latency increased from average value of 835 microseconds to 28004 microseconds.
2016-11-05T06:58:53 < ReadErr> vmsvc/power.getstate
2016-11-05T06:59:20 < ReadErr> oh that was a few days ago
2016-11-05T06:59:30 < ReadErr> not a big deal
2016-11-05T06:59:42 < dongs> hm says powered on.
2016-11-05T06:59:57 < dongs> the thing is if I drive tehre i wont be able to do much more than i can already do here
2016-11-05T07:00:02 < dongs> sine i cant fucking connect to management ui
2016-11-05T07:00:30 < ReadErr> you can do everything you can in the gui w/ ssh 
2016-11-05T07:00:40 < dongs> except view the fucking console
2016-11-05T07:00:44 < dongs> of you know.. windows VM
2016-11-05T07:01:10 < ReadErr> https://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=2091284
2016-11-05T07:01:29 < ReadErr> hmm theres a way to do vnc too
2016-11-05T07:01:57 < ReadErr> http://www.virtuallyghetto.com/2012/01/using-vnc-client-to-connect-to-vms-in.html
2016-11-05T07:02:04 < ohsix> used flashlight to walk dog, it's great
2016-11-05T07:02:18 < ReadErr> but theres another for vms somewhere, its a config option
2016-11-05T07:02:44 < dongs> i'd rather figure out what the fuck is up tho
2016-11-05T07:02:46 < ReadErr> http://www.unixarena.com/2014/02/configuring-vmware-esxi-virtual-machine-console-vnc.html
2016-11-05T07:03:02 < ohsix> ReadErr: eh no idea, guess they don't see any emi problem resets
2016-11-05T07:03:06 < ReadErr> easiest way is to download the logs and sort them by time
2016-11-05T07:03:27 < ohsix> don't see a reason to think it isn't the end of an iterative process that removed them over revs
2016-11-05T07:07:17 < ohsix> download logs and sort them by time EH
2016-11-05T07:07:22 < ohsix> systemd has gone too far
2016-11-05T07:07:24 < dongs> ya but i already looked and i dont see anything useful
2016-11-05T07:07:27 < ReadErr> is that dmp readable ?
2016-11-05T07:07:31 < dongs> yeah
2016-11-05T07:07:32 < dongs> its just text
2016-11-05T07:07:33 < dongs> but nothing useful
2016-11-05T07:07:44 < ReadErr> paste it
2016-11-05T07:07:58 < ReadErr> ohsix: it logs different things in different logs
2016-11-05T07:08:03 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/QHPZpS52.html
2016-11-05T07:08:06 < ReadErr> so its just the easiest way to see 
2016-11-05T07:08:07 < dongs> and just ltos of therad == garbage repaeted
2016-11-05T07:08:09 < ohsix> TOO FAR
2016-11-05T07:08:13 < ohsix> but yea i know
2016-11-05T07:08:17 < dongs> nothing useful fucking lunix trash
2016-11-05T07:08:30 < ohsix> if it was using journald it'd just be there :]
2016-11-05T07:08:51 < ohsix> and you don't have to 'use' journald, just have the services go to standard io handles and be supervised and fun things
2016-11-05T07:08:59 < ReadErr> dongs: when do your logs start?
2016-11-05T07:09:17 < dongs> i guess 286 days ago
2016-11-05T07:09:31 < ReadErr> oh so they arent being rotated ?
2016-11-05T07:09:42 < dongs> 2016-01-23T15:29:30.999Z [FF8FF1A0 info 'Default'] Logging uses fast path: false
2016-11-05T07:09:43 < dongs> i guess so
2016-11-05T07:09:49 < ReadErr> it should have the failure in there somewhere 
2016-11-05T07:10:47 < ReadErr> when was the last time you could connect
2016-11-05T07:12:05 < dongs> uh weeks ago?
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2016-11-05T07:13:51 < ReadErr> do you have the logs downloaded?
2016-11-05T07:14:20 < ReadErr> would sort and grep for 'Error'
2016-11-05T07:14:30 < ReadErr> something has to be there
2016-11-05T07:19:51 < dongs> wil take a look in a bit
2016-11-05T07:19:54 < dongs> i gotta drive through that place in a few hours anyway
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2016-11-05T07:20:31 < ReadErr> might as well go ahead and install esxi on a new usb
2016-11-05T07:20:39 < dongs> haha
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2016-11-05T07:20:52 < dongs> you think t he original is toast?
2016-11-05T07:21:02 < dongs> but problem is, my esxi installer was on that VM
2016-11-05T07:21:03 < ReadErr> shitty ones die all the time yea
2016-11-05T07:21:12 < dongs> the one wiht areca driver and shit
2016-11-05T07:21:18 < ReadErr> oh lol
2016-11-05T07:21:32 < ReadErr> did you try the vnc?
2016-11-05T07:21:53 < dongs> nah. i gotta get some shit shipepd and drive out
2016-11-05T07:21:57 < dongs> will test in a couple hours when im t here
2016-11-05T07:22:03 < dongs> and have a local console/pc
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2016-11-05T07:37:52 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEB0pl8a5C0
2016-11-05T07:38:04 < ReadErr> gdamn I figured things would be more automated by now
2016-11-05T07:46:38 < ohsix> ReadErr: he said that was from a bunch of years ago
2016-11-05T07:46:48 < ohsix> but yea the place he had it done at is a $$$ place
2016-11-05T07:47:06 < ohsix> he also mentions somewhere in the middle that there are automatic transfer machines that skip the imaging process, but they don't use them
2016-11-05T07:47:29 < ohsix> the reason that shit is cheap in china is not because it is more automated, but everyone and their uncle is doing it
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2016-11-05T07:48:54 < ohsix> batch processing with a bunch of steps can be pretty efficient tho
2016-11-05T07:49:45 < ohsix> you have cost overheads and NRE for new work and changes tho
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2016-11-05T08:02:49 < stvn> oh yeah let's pull each other off while we watch eevblog
2016-11-05T08:06:10 < ohsix> i watched it years ago
2016-11-05T08:07:45 < ohsix> heh
2016-11-05T08:07:51 < ohsix> 3w from an AA would be 2A
2016-11-05T08:08:03 < ohsix> guess i didn't need to buy the thing to prove it wasn't, oh well
2016-11-05T08:09:50 < ohsix> 420mW is going to last like 9 hours tho
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2016-11-05T08:19:54 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/vranieri/status/746487398834438144
2016-11-05T08:26:39 < ohsix> http://www.tmz.com/2016/11/04/lil-wayne-black-lives-matter-nightline-interview/ lul
2016-11-05T08:27:20 < ReadErr> he looks like a monster
2016-11-05T08:28:14 < stvn> who
2016-11-05T08:29:15 < ReadErr> jeeze i duno
2016-11-05T08:29:23 < stvn> well help me out here
2016-11-05T08:29:36 < ohsix> put your dick in it
2016-11-05T08:30:18 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-05T08:33:20 < ReadErr> https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14956017_1121097857979802_9089315859715236512_n.png?oh=a70545018f534c24556afa881c8621c4&oe=58CE7AA2
2016-11-05T08:37:16 < ohsix> https://2d73e25b29782b6d6766-9c8af5cbfef16739445bc76457060528.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/Klipsch-X-Series-Breakdown_2_635829314121526000.jpg jej
2016-11-05T08:37:25 < ohsix> this puts x6i and top end one in same spec
2016-11-05T08:37:28 < ohsix> but top end is more sensitive
2016-11-05T08:37:32 < ohsix> bad graphic yo
2016-11-05T08:38:31 < stvn> k
2016-11-05T08:39:09 < ohsix> need literally anything that shows the more money one is better in some way, even if you show they're the same
2016-11-05T08:40:32 < ohsix> the only knowles part that literally matches what is in the x6i is some tubular one that looks like an electret
2016-11-05T08:40:40 < ohsix> trying to find out who makes the driver
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2016-11-05T08:42:02 < ohsix> everyone 'reviewing' them is getting them for free and conditionally, so nobody is taking them apart
2016-11-05T08:45:56 < ohsix> have axxs to 3d printer now, might try my hand at making some if i can find some cheap drivers
2016-11-05T08:46:07 < ohsix> single part costs from knowles is like 50bux
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2016-11-05T08:56:13 < ohsix> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/4PCS-GQ-30783-Two-way-balanced-armature-speakers-with-added-low-frequency-headroom-for-in-ear/914343_32344543240.html
2016-11-05T08:56:15 < ohsix> heh
2016-11-05T08:56:32 < ohsix> that is unusual, expensive on ali too
2016-11-05T08:56:49 < ohsix> oh, knowles logo right on it
2016-11-05T08:58:01 < ohsix> http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1AGNsIXXXXXbXXFXXq6xXFXXXs/FH-23375-for-CIC-IIC-Hearing-Aid-covert-earpiece-invisible-earpiece-Invisible-wireless-hidden-FBI-spy.jpg oah huhuh that's a lot of ba
2016-11-05T09:01:38 < ReadErr> so i was blogging on the efnet
2016-11-05T09:01:44 < ReadErr> you know would would be interesting
2016-11-05T09:01:48 < stvn> yeah
2016-11-05T09:01:49 < ReadErr> an IRC census project
2016-11-05T09:01:52 < stvn> lrh 
2016-11-05T09:02:06 < ReadErr> like across all the nets
2016-11-05T09:02:10 < stvn> ok
2016-11-05T09:02:29 < ReadErr> gather age, race, gender, drug pref, employment, education  
2016-11-05T09:03:09 < stvn> can we do it here
2016-11-05T09:03:41 < ReadErr> cuz im pretty sure 75% of efnet is unemployed 
2016-11-05T09:03:52 < stvn> ok
2016-11-05T09:03:57 < stvn> do you have a job?
2016-11-05T09:05:05 < ReadErr> sure
2016-11-05T09:05:13 < stvn> cool
2016-11-05T09:05:25 < stvn> can you get good drugs?
2016-11-05T09:05:26 < ReadErr> but thats just 1 detail
2016-11-05T09:07:24 < stvn> better pick 1
2016-11-05T09:08:55 < ohsix> http://www.sonion.com/wp/products/hearing-instrument-components/user-interfaces/ heh these guys make balanced armature transducers but they also make the tiny switches and shit that go in hearing aids
2016-11-05T09:09:48 < stvn> speaking of which whens that dirty merchant coming back
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2016-11-05T09:28:50 < ohsix> there's a 3000 page thread on headfi about chinese headphones
2016-11-05T09:29:42 < ohsix> http://www.head-fi.org/t/684159/chinese-asian-brand-info-thread-headphones-iems-amps-dacs lul it got locked and they started another one
2016-11-05T09:29:58 < Kliment> Wow such sadness. Our local hackspace is now mostly empty :(
2016-11-05T09:30:25 < ohsix> which one and why
2016-11-05T09:30:34 < Kliment> ohsix: Kicked out by building owner
2016-11-05T09:30:41 < stvn> blow it up
2016-11-05T09:30:50 < Kliment> stvn: Why?
2016-11-05T09:30:55 < stvn> idk
2016-11-05T09:31:08 < Kliment> stvn: Most of the people who live in that building are nice. It's just the owner that's an ass
2016-11-05T09:31:09 < stvn> that's what i'd do if it was on ps4
2016-11-05T09:31:18 < stvn> throw pigs heads at him
2016-11-05T09:31:31 < Kliment> stvn: Pig heads are expensive and so is the move
2016-11-05T09:31:40 < stvn> where will you go mate
2016-11-05T09:32:00 < Kliment> stvn: Don't know. Best bet right now is an advertising sign factory's side room
2016-11-05T09:32:06 < stvn> yeah
2016-11-05T09:32:13 < stvn> got any CRTs?
2016-11-05T09:32:18 < ohsix> sorry for the headphone noise, going to do some useful work now; these x6is are nice though, it makes me want to work :D
2016-11-05T09:32:48 < Kliment> stvn: Which is kinda nice but we're worried because we have to pass by their heavy machinery every time we go in and out
2016-11-05T09:32:59 < ohsix> if anyone finds out where to get BA drivers cheap (seems knowles is one of the only manufacturers) let me know
2016-11-05T09:33:06 < stvn> what will you do at hackerspace?
2016-11-05T09:33:12 < Kliment> stvn: They can't move the machines because the building was built around them
2016-11-05T09:33:18 < stvn> of course
2016-11-05T09:33:32 < Kliment> stvn: And it's the only entrance to the room we're getting
2016-11-05T09:33:46 < stvn> ok
2016-11-05T09:34:02 < Kliment> stvn: So the concern is that the people who use the machines won't like us coming and going whenever
2016-11-05T09:34:09 < stvn> well yes
2016-11-05T09:34:24 < Kliment> stvn: And the other concern is that our visitors will mess with their stuff
2016-11-05T09:34:30 < stvn> yes
2016-11-05T09:34:56 < stvn> you need to do what the geek group did, they sold rubber vaginas in a side business
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2016-11-05T09:35:15 < timemob> cocks.
2016-11-05T09:35:21 < stvn> dongs tho.
2016-11-05T09:36:11 < Kliment> stvn: The ones in Berlin you mean with the parametric dildo generator?
2016-11-05T09:36:26 < timemob> lol
2016-11-05T09:36:58 < Kliment> stvn: I met them last year, they were using some software I wrote for production :)
2016-11-05T09:36:58 < timemob> wtf is going on
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2016-11-05T09:37:07 < stvn> i just rocked up
2016-11-05T09:37:11 < stvn> started tearing shit up
2016-11-05T09:37:13 < Kliment> timemob: We're talking about creative ways for hackspaces to finance themselves
2016-11-05T09:37:23 < timemob> ReadErr: i couldnt connect to 5.5 from win2003 because of some SSL client cert shit
2016-11-05T09:37:30 < timemob> it works when i conncetd from win10box.
2016-11-05T09:37:45 < ReadErr> lol wtf win2003
2016-11-05T09:37:56 < timemob> well, i had that in a VM
2016-11-05T09:37:58 < timemob> for emergencies.
2016-11-05T09:38:21 < ReadErr> and it worked before? connecting?
2016-11-05T09:38:26 < timemob> yeah
2016-11-05T09:38:29 < timemob> cuz  had that clietn installed
2016-11-05T09:38:42 < ReadErr> odd it just stopped then
2016-11-05T09:38:48 < timemob> right..
2016-11-05T09:38:58 < timemob> anawy rebooting the stoned vm and watching console to see wtf is actually going on
2016-11-05T09:39:22 < ReadErr> if you update to 6.0 it has a native webclient
2016-11-05T09:39:29 < timemob> lol yeah but thats aids
2016-11-05T09:39:41 < ReadErr> yea its pretty gimp but works in a crunch
2016-11-05T09:39:46 < ReadErr> still like the desktop one better
2016-11-05T09:40:25 < timemob> Problem signature: Problem Event Name:	BlueScreen OS Version:	6.1.7601.2.1.0.272.7
2016-11-05T09:40:25 < timemob> lo
2016-11-05T09:40:34 < timemob> VM bluescreneed and went into startup recovery or someshti
2016-11-05T09:40:37 < timemob> and ot stuck there
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2016-11-05T09:41:23 < timemob> ok so there's actually no problem.
2016-11-05T09:41:27 < timemob> whatever, getting out of this palce.
2016-11-05T09:43:39 < ohsix> (_)_)/////\_)
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2016-11-05T10:21:51 < ohsix> heh, found out the 'problem' on my laptop headphone jack, it doesn't make contact with ground if it is TRRS and not TRS, eg. phone headphones and crap
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2016-11-05T11:12:30 < dongs> http://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/03/lynched-by-the-feminist-mob/ rip stvn
2016-11-05T11:24:30 < ohsix> i've been in this fry's http://rmitz.org/linux-revolt/
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2016-11-05T11:29:48 < ReadErr> i got my 1st copy of linux from EB games
2016-11-05T11:30:16 < ReadErr> but I was like 11 and couldnt make my softmodem work
2016-11-05T11:30:26 < ohsix> first thing i ever messed with is redhat 3 and it was in a library book
2016-11-05T11:30:36 < ReadErr> this was mandrake lol
2016-11-05T11:30:37 < ohsix> that shit was amazing compared to a useful thing
2016-11-05T11:30:39 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-05T11:30:52 < ohsix> the package manager gui was in tk
2016-11-05T11:31:02 < ohsix> it was very weird, i should try and find isos
2016-11-05T11:41:29 < ReadErr> well it didnt last long since i couldnt dialup
2016-11-05T11:42:40 < ohsix> i had 3com top of the line one with the firmware that could update it to 56k
2016-11-05T11:42:44 < ohsix> then i updated it
2016-11-05T11:42:52 < ohsix> juarez
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2016-11-05T12:21:36 < dongs> mandrake, haha
2016-11-05T12:21:39 < dongs> you fucking faggot/newb
2016-11-05T12:22:25 < ohsix> quite literally, that's what he said he was
2016-11-05T12:22:35 < ReadErr> https://youtu.be/xXH5agV7skw?t=503
2016-11-05T12:22:36 < ReadErr> lol
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2016-11-05T12:22:46 < ReadErr> dongs: well I was 11
2016-11-05T12:22:51 < ReadErr> so I was a huge fag
2016-11-05T12:36:58 < BrainDamage> thanks for the quote, i'll make sure to haunt you with it in the future
2016-11-05T12:37:29 < ohsix> when you're 11 you're actually pretty tiny
2016-11-05T12:37:59 < BrainDamage> still pretty large compared to a regular sized fag
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2016-11-05T12:48:05 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Looking-hair-electrical-engineering/
2016-11-05T12:56:57 < decimad> what about bald engineers?
2016-11-05T13:16:51 < Steffanx> Screw them.
2016-11-05T13:17:13 < ohsix> yes, we need all the action we can get
2016-11-05T13:17:20 < Kliment> Can anyone sanity check something for me? I have to warn you it's a TI datasheet
2016-11-05T13:17:30 < ohsix> sure
2016-11-05T13:18:04 < Kliment> http://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/bq51050b Am I blind or is R_OS never specified anywhere?
2016-11-05T13:18:57 < Kliment> The eval board has it at 42.2k but no explanation of any kind
2016-11-05T13:19:53 < ohsix> it probably is, sometime shit is weird or only in diagrams
2016-11-05T13:19:54 < ohsix> looking
2016-11-05T13:20:32 < Kliment> I think I read through the whole thing fairly carefully but I could find no mention of it anywhere except the app diagrams
2016-11-05T13:20:59 < ohsix> which page references ros
2016-11-05T13:21:26 < Kliment> None. It's in all the circuit diagrams but nowhwere in the text.
2016-11-05T13:21:36 < ohsix> ah nm
2016-11-05T13:21:47 < ohsix> yea resolution fail onc raptop
2016-11-05T13:22:21 < ohsix> it connets to Ilim, doesn't that make it obvious?
2016-11-05T13:22:43 < ohsix> it's over voltage protection output -> ros -> ilim
2016-11-05T13:23:09 < ohsix> ilim has minimum current specified, and RECT overvoltage
2016-11-05T13:23:46 < Kliment> Yes, but what's the formula for the value?
2016-11-05T13:24:04 < ohsix> since ilim is for the charge current, concievably the max value is package&pcb disappation
2016-11-05T13:24:07 < ohsix> er
2016-11-05T13:24:18 < Kliment> I can't find it anywhere, and it must be a divider with the current setting resistor
2016-11-05T13:24:19 < ohsix> i=v/r
2016-11-05T13:25:05 < ohsix> there's a whole section on battery charging profile and current, gimme a sec to read it
2016-11-05T13:25:13 < ohsix> you want to look at ilim tho
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2016-11-05T13:25:24 < Kliment> Yeah, I went through that and set the current limits correctly
2016-11-05T13:25:24 < ohsix> Ros is in the example circuit because it is just a placeholder
2016-11-05T13:25:40 < ohsix> value depends on things not in the example circuit, like charge current
2016-11-05T13:26:18 < Kliment> ohsix: I've set the charge current to 260mA (1.2k R_ILIM)
2016-11-05T13:26:29 < ohsix> Rfod == Ros?
2016-11-05T13:26:39 < Kliment> So my R1 is 1k and my RFOD is 200R
2016-11-05T13:26:41 < Kliment> No
2016-11-05T13:26:46 < ohsix> equations have R1 + Rfod, which if it matches the example circuit it's Ros
2016-11-05T13:26:54 < Kliment> R_OS is unrelated
2016-11-05T13:27:26 < Kliment> It is from the rectifier output to FOD
2016-11-05T13:27:37 < ohsix> ah
2016-11-05T13:27:38 < ohsix> yea i see
2016-11-05T13:28:04 < Kliment> Presumably forming a voltage divider with RFOD
2016-11-05T13:28:11 < ohsix> missed fod/os/1 connection
2016-11-05T13:28:13 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-05T13:28:25 < Kliment> But the whole setup makes no sense to me - it's not documented anywhere
2016-11-05T13:28:46 < Kliment> The determination of the RFOD value is also handwaved away
2016-11-05T13:29:06 < Kliment> They say to set it to 200R before tuning, but they don't mention anything about said tuning elsewhere
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2016-11-05T13:31:33 < ohsix> hm
2016-11-05T13:31:46 < ohsix> it looks like some sort of sensitivity feedback for foreign object detection
2016-11-05T13:31:55 < Kliment> Section 8.3.4.11 is the relevant bit of the text
2016-11-05T13:32:02 < Kliment> But that section contradicts itself
2016-11-05T13:32:42 < Kliment> It says the difference between input and received power must be less than 375mW but then talks about a "250mW bias"
2016-11-05T13:33:27 < Kliment> I guess I have no options but to copy the ROS value from the eval board
2016-11-05T13:34:12 < ohsix> nah i'm seeing foreign object detection in other stuff about qi
2016-11-05T13:34:18 < ohsix> it might be specified as part of the protocol
2016-11-05T13:34:25 < Kliment> It is specified
2016-11-05T13:34:46 < Kliment> And it's specified as a maximum difference between input and measurement power
2016-11-05T13:35:02 < ohsix> The current limit and foreign object detection functions are related. The current limit is set by R1 + RFOD. RFOD
2016-11-05T13:35:02 < ohsix> and Ros are determined by FOD calibration. D
2016-11-05T13:35:31 < ohsix> another datasheet is more specific
2016-11-05T13:35:33 < ohsix> The final values need to be determined based on the FOD
2016-11-05T13:35:36 < ohsix> calibration. The tool for FOD calibration can be found on the bq51003 web folder under Tools & software.
2016-11-05T13:35:48 < Kliment> Oh cool
2016-11-05T13:36:29 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-05T13:36:41 < ohsix> it's like an external qi thing coming into the datasheet rather than the other way around
2016-11-05T13:36:55 < ohsix> probably depends on the plastics and housing a lot, just have to do it for each design
2016-11-05T13:37:11 < ohsix> that was strange tho
2016-11-05T13:37:30 < ohsix> ti probably assumes you already know about qi to that degree by the time you're specifying parts
2016-11-05T13:37:56 < Kliment> Yeah that's not the issue - the issue is that there is no spec for what the ratio of voltage to reported power is
2016-11-05T13:38:13 < Kliment> So you can't actually specify it even if you have measurements
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2016-11-05T13:38:53 < Kliment> So the ROS and RFOD form a voltage divider, and the FOD node voltage corresponds to a reported mW value
2016-11-05T13:39:23 < Kliment> And that relation, between reported value and node voltage, is critical in determining ROS resistance
2016-11-05T13:39:46 < Kliment> But it's not specified as far as I can find
2016-11-05T13:40:34 < Kliment> The functional block diagram shows it going to the ADC
2016-11-05T13:41:56 < ohsix> the calibrator doesn't say?
2016-11-05T13:42:09 < ohsix> i mean, you can get it and plug some values in and figure out what it is doing, but tha tinfo is probably in qi spec
2016-11-05T13:43:00 < Kliment> It's not, because the internal ADC gain is not specced
2016-11-05T13:43:16 < Kliment> The QI sspec just tells you what you're supposed to report back
2016-11-05T13:43:25 < Kliment> Not how to measure it
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2016-11-05T13:44:15 < ohsix> eh
2016-11-05T13:44:36 < Kliment> I'll try plug some values into the calculator
2016-11-05T13:45:19 < Kliment> (which is a 60MB windows-only thing of course)
2016-11-05T13:46:18 < ohsix> it's related to the Q of the coil
2016-11-05T13:46:23 < ohsix> and other junk, still reading
2016-11-05T13:47:15 < ohsix> ah i see, foreign object detection compares expected power vs. anything else, to infer there's a foreign object
2016-11-05T13:48:30 < ohsix> so that value is going to be related to the charging values, since you'll want to know if it is less than the set point for charging
2016-11-05T13:49:32 < ohsix> you might just need the part in the loop when figuring that value out
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2016-11-05T13:51:11 < ohsix> the difference is going to be loop loss and some large values are considered invalid
2016-11-05T13:51:17 < ohsix> setting practical upper bound on value
2016-11-05T13:51:39 < dongs> you're saying that like its a bad thing
2016-11-05T13:51:48 < dongs> something being windows only is a clear sign its quality software
2016-11-05T13:51:54 < ohsix> you could take Ros on the demo board and see what it implies in terms of the Q of the coil and other stuff on the board
2016-11-05T13:52:54 < ohsix> but uh just take your charging voltage/current settings and plug it in
2016-11-05T13:53:54 < ohsix> i don't know if it is an omission ro a mistake not to have this written somewhere, i think you just go do it the obvious way, but i also don't know much about qi, will have to get some kit to play with and read the spec more than i can tonight
2016-11-05T13:54:31 < ohsix> check the other qi parts
2016-11-05T13:55:03 < ohsix> 'os' stands for something, output sensitivity?
2016-11-05T13:56:15 < ohsix> this is the kind of thing that is in slides and presentations explaining broad strokes about the thing
2016-11-05T13:56:42 < ohsix> gotta scoot, see ya; if you find out what os stands for or anything hilight/message so i can check it out
2016-11-05T13:57:48 < ohsix> http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slua649g/slua649g.pdf some coil part numbers
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2016-11-05T14:11:51 < Steffanx> Do you practice in front of the mirror every morning dongs? "I'm a proud Windows user. Windows is great"?
2016-11-05T14:16:34 < Thorn> so the only quality web browser is MSIE?
2016-11-05T14:18:07 < Steffanx> EDGE.
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2016-11-05T14:58:34 < dongs> yeah msie what. edge 4 life
2016-11-05T14:58:42 < dongs> my lifelong dream has been inking on the webpages
2016-11-05T15:09:23 < Steffanx> Sexy.
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2016-11-05T16:44:34 < decimad> I wish I hadn't installed winusb through zadig... uninstalling the driver + reconnect yields the same driver again -.-
2016-11-05T16:55:42 < decimad> i did
2016-11-05T16:55:53 < decimad> but I had to connect both devices and uninstall
2016-11-05T16:56:24 < zyp> just open device manager, hit delete on the entire device entry or whatever it's called and rediscover devices
2016-11-05T16:56:32 < zyp> that's what's always have worked for me
2016-11-05T16:57:21 < decimad> was not enough, same device with different serial number kept the driver setting alive
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2016-11-05T18:35:11 < dongs> zadig is fucking opensores aids
2016-11-05T18:35:19 < dongs> once it touches your system youre fukd
2016-11-05T18:35:48 < dongs> if opensores project requires that to run, just choose something else.
2016-11-05T18:35:58 < dongs> most likely a working commercial substitute exists and works 100x better.
2016-11-05T18:38:37 < dongs>  < englishman> or maybe preparing your home for the impending snowfall
2016-11-05T18:38:38 < dongs> haha
2016-11-05T18:38:55 < dongs> the november 15th shit?
2016-11-05T18:39:06 < dongs> which is obvious bullshit/fail/troll
2016-11-05T18:39:37 < dongs> https://authenticnewsdaily.com/2016/09/26/scary-nasa-confirms-earth-will-experience-15-days-of-darkness-in-november-2016/
2016-11-05T18:39:42 < dongs> authentic more like autistic
2016-11-05T18:39:58 < dongs> didnt fail in my client
2016-11-05T18:40:05 < dongs> i bolded the autistic part
2016-11-05T18:40:33 < dongs> obviously
2016-11-05T18:41:13 < dongs> mkay
2016-11-05T18:41:18 < dongs> doesnt snow here anyway
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2016-11-05T19:29:53 < aandrew> hahahha
2016-11-05T19:29:56 < aandrew> that is quite the article dongs
2016-11-05T19:29:57 < aandrew> wow
2016-11-05T19:34:19 < decimad> Man, a fifo for the serial management interface to the phy would have been great. I need multi-write operations, but can't really block for completion on the 4mhz interface -.- So, monitoring it in the idle loop seems to be the only thing I can do -.-
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2016-11-05T19:41:22 < Kliment> ohsix: Thanks for your advice, looks like the correct ratio of charge current (in mA) to resistance (in Ohm) is ~23.7
2016-11-05T19:41:32 < Kliment> SOrry, in kOhm
2016-11-05T19:43:00 < Kliment> (with R_FOD=200R)
2016-11-05T19:46:41 < ReadErr> englishman: hi
2016-11-05T19:48:03 < ReadErr> what have you heard about this 'glitter bomb'
2016-11-05T19:48:52 < BrainDamage> there's services to let you send glitter bombs by mail
2016-11-05T19:49:51 < ReadErr> ya
2016-11-05T19:52:28 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/sib8u8m
2016-11-05T19:53:47 < ReadErr> nah I heard someone in NEFPV got glitterbombed
2016-11-05T19:53:52 < ReadErr> by a cack
2016-11-05T19:54:13 < ReadErr> or someone but didnt axe who
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2016-11-05T20:05:37 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/fdb6ad77750c425e8a6052cee5eb1e293b96dd3417425f4ae97c61b34b7d5449.jpg
2016-11-05T20:08:14 < ReadErr> oh dear
2016-11-05T20:08:22 < ReadErr> what chan do you think hes on
2016-11-05T20:08:24 < ReadErr> wizard?
2016-11-05T20:10:50 < Laurenceb_> wizard def
2016-11-05T20:12:13 < Fleck> first snow \o/
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2016-11-05T20:38:30 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hQ-rtEEAH4 submerged alien machines digging ocean bottom at around 4minutes
2016-11-05T20:52:08 < Laurenceb_> https://sli.mg/R2M36A
2016-11-05T20:54:37 < Laurenceb_> lul left hand https://i.sli.mg/EGqbXz.jpg
2016-11-05T20:55:22 < kakimir> who is that dude Laurenceb_ ?
2016-11-05T20:55:31 < Laurenceb_> Podesta
2016-11-05T20:55:58 < Laurenceb_> google "spirit cooking" (v NSFW)
2016-11-05T20:56:43 < kakimir> hes givin like some hint for some game
2016-11-05T20:58:44 < Laurenceb_> check plaster on left hand
2016-11-05T21:01:22 < kakimir> not interesting
2016-11-05T21:01:31 < kakimir> what is his hint about is interesting
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2016-11-05T21:24:02 < upgrdman> whats a reasonable yearly raise? (as a %) 
2016-11-05T21:24:47 < kakimir> 4
2016-11-05T21:25:58 < kakimir> (you bet I don't have a clue)
2016-11-05T21:27:33 < kakimir> every adult should know that I bet
2016-11-05T21:30:27 < zyp> yeah, in my old job I got 4% each year I worked there
2016-11-05T21:31:51 < kakimir> obiviously it can't be 4% for same work title for each year
2016-11-05T21:32:13 < kakimir> if you upgrade title then it may keep up that 4%
2016-11-05T21:32:33 < zyp> I mean, base salary increased by 4%, bonuses due to seniority and whatever came in addition
2016-11-05T21:32:54 < zyp> so the 4% was mostly to keep up with inflation and shit like that
2016-11-05T21:33:37 < kakimir> so in 30years let's say 20eur hour pay will be like million
2016-11-05T21:34:28 < zyp> 4% compounding over 30 years is a little more than a tripling
2016-11-05T21:34:36 < zyp> 3.24x to be exact
2016-11-05T21:35:04 < upgrdman> zyp, what was the total % per year with bonuss/seniority/etc?
2016-11-05T21:35:33 < zyp> idk, I didn't work there long enough to hit the first step for seniority
2016-11-05T21:35:40 < upgrdman> k
2016-11-05T21:36:13 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFIzanuNgEk
2016-11-05T21:36:34 < zyp> I think first step would be three years, and I got laid of just shy of that
2016-11-05T21:36:41 < zyp> laid off
2016-11-05T21:38:02 < zyp> also, I'm not sure how it would have been in today's economy, I think the inflation is lower right now
2016-11-05T21:38:22 < kakimir> true
2016-11-05T21:38:47 < zyp> but I started in 2011 and got a 4% increase in both 2012, 2013 and 2014
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2016-11-05T21:52:02 < upgrdman> so when learning opengl i realized i could render vram contents that did not belong to me (by accident). with a cpu i'd expect a seg fault, so do gpu's not have memory managers? does that mean gpu's should not be used for anything security related (with openCL, etc.) ?
2016-11-05T21:54:16 < kakimir> what are you planning?
2016-11-05T21:54:27 < Steffanx> upgrdman, on os x that seem to happen to upgrdman.
2016-11-05T21:54:42 < upgrdman> Steffanx, ?
2016-11-05T21:55:02 < Steffanx> when i launch a steam game, i often see fragments of even hole  webpages i closed ages ago.
2016-11-05T21:55:10 < upgrdman> kakimir, nothing. but i head about people using GPUs for general computation, and i wonder if security is ignored in those cases.
2016-11-05T21:55:25 < upgrdman> Steffanx, ya me too :)
2016-11-05T21:55:36 < Steffanx> imho that is ugly.
2016-11-05T21:56:14 < Steffanx> And can lead to weird situations when you watch porn and start a steam game while someone else sees you launch the game :P
2016-11-05T21:56:29 < Steffanx> or whatever Laurenceb_ made you see.
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2016-11-05T21:57:11 < Steffanx> I wouldn't be surprised if security is often ignored.
2016-11-05T22:01:27 < kakimir> security based on naive assumptions
2016-11-05T22:01:37 < kakimir> and denial
2016-11-05T22:05:59 < kakimir> realization that at least half of my high school mates have had some sort of carreer progress steps and personal life progression by now makes me.. 
2016-11-05T22:06:12 < kakimir> assured
2016-11-05T22:09:04 < upgrdman> kakimir, have you made no progress?
2016-11-05T22:09:29 < kakimir> no
2016-11-05T22:10:01 < kakimir> I have
2016-11-05T22:10:23 < kakimir> but not in 7 to 15 game
2016-11-05T22:12:48 < kakimir> englishman: it's true
2016-11-05T22:15:46 < Steffanx> He found ##stm32 .. progress.
2016-11-05T22:16:32 < kakimir> catalysis
2016-11-05T22:17:01 < kakimir> evolution of pumps
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2016-11-05T22:22:59 < elektrinis-hme> hi
2016-11-05T22:23:12 < elektrinis-hme> does this work for onyone?
2016-11-05T22:23:13 < elektrinis-hme> www.mikelita.com
2016-11-05T22:25:12 < Steffanx> ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED
2016-11-05T22:26:07 < Steffanx> it actually redirect, so it does work elektrinis-hme :P
2016-11-05T22:26:12 < Steffanx> *redirects.
2016-11-05T22:26:28 < elektrinis-hme> m, where does it redirect?
2016-11-05T22:26:40 < Steffanx> beespike.eu which does not work.
2016-11-05T22:26:45 < elektrinis-hme> hmm
2016-11-05T22:26:48 < elektrinis-hme> ok, thanks
2016-11-05T22:31:34 < Laurenceb_> graphics card security is proof that developers are a bunch of autists
2016-11-05T22:31:55 < Laurenceb_> omg muh 10^6 times overengineered secure processor shit
2016-11-05T22:32:10 < Laurenceb_> meanwhile its easy just to steal screenshots
2016-11-05T22:45:46 < Steffanx> :)
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2016-11-05T23:26:21 < decimad> olol, the phy can actually invent udp packets to communicate with the software (I was reading the ti datasheet, which is nowhere as good as the ns user manual... they seem to have bought ns?)
2016-11-05T23:35:39 < zyp> yeah, like five years ago
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2016-11-06T00:05:13 < aandrew> haha
2016-11-06T00:05:34 < aandrew> someone describes natto as fermented beans, "but using some weird type of bacteria that converts them to boogers"
2016-11-06T00:06:13 < zyp> stop wasting your time on reddit
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2016-11-06T00:13:06 < ohsix> ReadErr: nefpv?
2016-11-06T00:15:41 < ohsix> upgrdman: re: opengl vram, there's a bunch of places where the 'old' contents is just undefined, driver can clear it but that's a waste of time, memory protection can't fix that kind of thing either
2016-11-06T00:16:43 < ohsix> ah
2016-11-06T00:17:37 < ohsix> upgrdman: discard flags can impact allocation strategy and stuff, i wanna say the old buffer contetns you might see are uninteresting, but i suppose that's not always true
2016-11-06T00:17:50 < ohsix> when window stations switch and stuff they have their own gpu context
2016-11-06T00:18:37 < ohsix> englishman: did you play hotline miami?
2016-11-06T00:18:55 < ohsix> nice, loved that game
2016-11-06T00:19:02 < ohsix> though i haven't replayed it since it came out
2016-11-06T00:19:28 < ohsix> i'll watch anything with hotline miami music on it
2016-11-06T00:20:15 < ohsix> does the fog noticably hurt tx/vid range?
2016-11-06T00:23:21 < ohsix> heh nice
2016-11-06T00:23:54 < ohsix> that video looked more interesting than most, i could see you're trying to fly under lines and close to stuff as a challenge instead of 'just' memorizing the track and going fast
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2016-11-06T00:51:00 < Steffanx> whats up Thorn
2016-11-06T00:51:02 < Steffanx> * Tectu
2016-11-06T00:51:12 < Tectu> Not much, mainly wasting time
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2016-11-06T00:51:30 < Steffanx> Excellent.
2016-11-06T00:52:17 < Tectu> how about there?
2016-11-06T00:52:21 < Steffanx> Same.
2016-11-06T00:52:26 < Steffanx> and ugfx.
2016-11-06T00:52:53 < zyp> sup?
2016-11-06T00:52:59 < Steffanx> Sky.
2016-11-06T00:53:24 < Tectu> zyp, they are going to build a tesla super charger station 10km from my home
2016-11-06T00:53:33 < Tectu> "going to" as in: soon done
2016-11-06T00:53:36 < zyp> cool
2016-11-06T00:53:46 < Steffanx> Tectu's car will be a Tesla?
2016-11-06T00:53:49 < zyp> are they putting up other QCs there as well?
2016-11-06T00:54:07 < Tectu> zyp, no idea, that's what I wanted too ask you: is it common to do that?
2016-11-06T00:54:29 < zyp> yeah, in norway it's super common
2016-11-06T00:54:41 < Tectu> but also with tesla brands?
2016-11-06T00:55:02 < zyp> a tesla SC site usually gets a new power substation, which makes it convenient to put up other QCs there too
2016-11-06T00:55:09 < zyp> no, other brands
2016-11-06T00:55:14 < Laurenceb_> I still don't have drivers license :-/
2016-11-06T00:55:25 < Laurenceb_> dasement dweller confirmed
2016-11-06T00:55:34 < zyp> in norway there's two large operators of QCs and a couple of smaller ones
2016-11-06T00:55:42 < Steffanx> Even this basement dweller got a drivers license, Laurenceb_ .. lol.
2016-11-06T00:55:47 < Tectu> zyp, I'm gonna let you know once I know. Apparently it's going to be the biggest station in switzerland (so far)
2016-11-06T00:56:04 < Laurenceb_> clutch control is a pita
2016-11-06T00:56:10 < Steffanx> Not really.
2016-11-06T00:56:20 < Laurenceb_> or maybe I'm just an autist
2016-11-06T00:56:23 < Laurenceb_> ^more likely
2016-11-06T00:56:24 < Steffanx> That.
2016-11-06T00:56:28 < zyp> Tectu, I stopped at the largest one in the world a few weeks ago
2016-11-06T00:56:40 < Laurenceb_>  "symptoms include lack of muscle co-ordination"
2016-11-06T00:56:59 < Steffanx> You can't get a license to drive an automatic?
2016-11-06T00:57:18 < Tectu> zyp, was that "fun" or is it just "meh"?
2016-11-06T00:57:29 < Laurenceb_> automatic?!
2016-11-06T00:57:37 < Laurenceb_> what kind of idiot drives one of those
2016-11-06T00:57:47 < Steffanx> In yankeeland that's pretty common right?
2016-11-06T00:57:47 < Laurenceb_> apart from a murican obviously
2016-11-06T00:57:52 < zyp> haha
2016-11-06T00:58:01 < zyp> to be honest, I probably won't buy manual again
2016-11-06T00:58:05 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_, if it's that or no license.
2016-11-06T00:58:19 < Tectu> well, cuz electro, zyp?
2016-11-06T00:58:21 < Laurenceb_> also gear changing is trivial
2016-11-06T00:58:26 < zyp> Tectu, either way
2016-11-06T00:58:28 < Laurenceb_> I honestly don't see why its hard
2016-11-06T00:58:39 < Steffanx> That's something you hear often zyp. "Once you go black you never go back"
2016-11-06T00:58:46 < zyp> computer controlled DCTs are just as good as manual transmissions
2016-11-06T00:58:46 < Laurenceb_> managing engine rpm/ vehicle inertial is tricky
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2016-11-06T00:59:05 < Laurenceb_> and avoiding stall or breaking something
2016-11-06T00:59:19 < Steffanx> Autism.
2016-11-06T00:59:36 < Laurenceb_> prob cuz my car is older than me
2016-11-06T00:59:43 < zyp> englishman, exactly
2016-11-06T00:59:56 < Laurenceb_> and everything is broken and nonlinear/laggy
2016-11-06T01:00:22 < Steffanx> "my car" => no drivers license ... wut?
2016-11-06T01:00:29 < Laurenceb_> press throttle ... nothing.. two seconds later engine goes mad
2016-11-06T01:00:39 < Laurenceb_> Steffanx: I have a provisional license
2016-11-06T01:00:46 < Laurenceb_> no full license
2016-11-06T01:01:02 < Tectu> Laurenceb_, just compensate for the delay
2016-11-06T01:01:05 < Steffanx> What's that? You have to driver around with someone with experience and crap?
2016-11-06T01:01:16 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-11-06T01:01:24 < Steffanx> lovely.
2016-11-06T01:01:38 < zyp> Tectu, http://bin.jvnv.net/f/jPRl7.jpg http://bin.jvnv.net/f/QAKYw.jpg
2016-11-06T01:01:56 < zyp> that's 20 tesla spots, 4 22kW AC spots and 4 50kW DC spots
2016-11-06T01:02:00 < Steffanx> Those weels.. damn
2016-11-06T01:02:04 < Steffanx> wheels
2016-11-06T01:02:10 < Steffanx> UGLY. :P
2016-11-06T01:02:13 < Tectu> nice
2016-11-06T01:02:21 < Tectu> zyp, well, they were talking about 8 tesla spots
2016-11-06T01:02:30 < Tectu> zyp, but for our local region that is HUGE
2016-11-06T01:02:39 < zyp> there's some megawatts in total capacity there :p
2016-11-06T01:02:52 < Tectu> should be enough to charge a galaxy note then
2016-11-06T01:02:54 < Steffanx> Why swissers dont have their own E-cars Tectu?
2016-11-06T01:03:00 < zyp> and at the time I stopped there, I were the only car
2016-11-06T01:03:04 < Tectu> dunno, maybe they do. I don't car.
2016-11-06T01:03:23 < zyp> Steffanx, idk, I don't mind the look
2016-11-06T01:03:40 < zyp> not very important, I don't see them from inside the car either
2016-11-06T01:03:56 < Tectu> so, will the new tesla have a USB-C port for charging?
2016-11-06T01:04:37 < zyp> Tectu, 8 sounds more typical
2016-11-06T01:04:52 < Tectu> zyp, well, they said largest in switzerland... :p
2016-11-06T01:04:57 < Tectu> everything is small in switzerland
2016-11-06T01:05:00 < zyp> I've even seen as few as 4, but that was in the north where not a lot of people drive :p
2016-11-06T01:05:50 < Steffanx> I wouldn't even know where one would find such thing here in the netherlands
2016-11-06T01:06:02 < zyp> the one with 20 is a bit north of oslo, so it's probably scaled for peak days
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2016-11-06T01:07:54 < Tectu> zyp, just curious... is there a mechanism that prevents you from driving off while still being plugged in?
2016-11-06T01:08:00 < zyp> yes
2016-11-06T01:08:26 < zyp> there's a pin in the charging connector almost dedicated to that purpose
2016-11-06T01:09:04 < Tectu> "almost"
2016-11-06T01:09:12 < zyp> there's a resistor in the plug between ground and that pin, and when car detects presence of that resistance, it refuses to drive
2016-11-06T01:09:30 < zyp> yeah
2016-11-06T01:09:38 < Tectu> so one just buys a dummy plug with a resistor in it and plugs that into people's cars to annoy them
2016-11-06T01:10:06 < zyp> there's another purpose as well, the resistance value encodes what current the charging cable is rated for
2016-11-06T01:10:30 < zyp> to prevent overloading
2016-11-06T01:10:53 < zyp> I don't know if the car cares much about that, that's supposed to be the responsibility of the other end
2016-11-06T01:11:18 < BrainDamage> is the charger connector accessible externally?
2016-11-06T01:11:39 < Steffanx> Tectu had issues with that while refueling?
2016-11-06T01:11:42 < BrainDamage> like, can you immobilize a random car parked this way?
2016-11-06T01:12:02 < Tectu> no, but others do
2016-11-06T01:12:03  * Steffanx imagines Tectu in one of those internet videos where the hose is still in the car.
2016-11-06T01:12:24 < Tectu> I just took a pic of that situation at a local petrol station a few weeks ago
2016-11-06T01:12:44 < zyp> BrainDamage, it's where you'd normally find the gas cap
2016-11-06T01:13:01 < zyp> I mean, that depends on the car, on egolf it's where normal golfs fill gas
2016-11-06T01:13:11 < Tectu> http://images.wasted.earth:1339/view.php?p=14783875845203
2016-11-06T01:13:22 < zyp> and since the door over that is locked when the car is locked, you can't go mess around with locked cars
2016-11-06T01:13:45 < zyp> I believe most cars either does that or requires it to be opened from inside the car in the first place
2016-11-06T01:15:11 < zyp> I don't think plugging something into a random parked car would be a huge issue either way
2016-11-06T01:15:28 < zyp> apparently the largest issue is theft of charging cables
2016-11-06T01:15:39 < Tectu> err?
2016-11-06T01:15:40 < BrainDamage> well, i can imagine quite a few scams that way
2016-11-06T01:15:59 < Tectu> that's like stealing the hose of a regular petrol station
2016-11-06T01:16:04 < Tectu> -> why
2016-11-06T01:16:11 < BrainDamage> copper
2016-11-06T01:16:17 < zyp> no
2016-11-06T01:16:53 < zyp> the thing is that mode-2 charging cables (normal outlet to car) contains a box of protection electronics
2016-11-06T01:17:15 < zyp> which makes the entire thing fairly expensive
2016-11-06T01:17:38 < zyp> like $500 or more, at least on the norwegian market
2016-11-06T01:18:48 < Tectu> zyp, but those are the things you keep at home or in your trunk, no? so where would one have broad access to them that theft would become a common issue?
2016-11-06T01:19:06 < zyp> cars charging at public outlets
2016-11-06T01:19:31 < Tectu> there are regular 240VAC outlets dedicated to charge your EV with a "bring-your-own-cable" policy?
2016-11-06T01:19:51 < zyp> englishman, there's several standards
2016-11-06T01:20:08 < zyp> in practice two
2016-11-06T01:20:21 < zyp> I mean, depending on market
2016-11-06T01:21:28 < zyp> there's type-1 which is single phase and type-2 which got another two conductors and supports three-phase
2016-11-06T01:21:58 < zyp> three-phase power is mostly an european thing, so AFAIK all EVs in the US and asia are sold with type-1 inlets
2016-11-06T01:22:59 < zyp> no, part of their purpose is to secure the cable and ensure the plug is not live until it's connected to a car
2016-11-06T01:23:19 < zyp> it can be built into the outlet, however, which is called mode-3
2016-11-06T01:24:33 < zyp> so there's mode-3 outlets with a tethered cable that plugs directly into the car, mode-3 outlets with a type-2 socket that requires a passive cable towards the car and mode-2 cables that can charge from ordinary outlets
2016-11-06T01:24:55 < zyp> my car came with both a mode-2 cable and a mode-3 cable
2016-11-06T01:27:28 < zyp> http://www.mennekes.in/fileadmin/user_upload/bilder_news/2013/Ladekabel_Mode2_700.jpg <- mode-2
2016-11-06T01:27:32 < zyp> http://www.mennekes.de/Graphics/XPic3/00039353_0.png <- mode-3
2016-11-06T01:28:50 < zyp> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0879/4078/products/Type-2_til_type-1_large.jpg?v=1476887837 <- mode-3 with type-1 on the car end
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2016-11-06T01:30:46 < zyp> there's not a whole lot of competition on the connectors either, which makes even the passive cables kinda overpriced
2016-11-06T01:31:02 < zyp> but eh
2016-11-06T01:32:33 < zyp> thankfully the type-2 standard includes locking, so I think theft is mostly a type-1 problem
2016-11-06T01:33:49 < zyp> for mode-3 charging, the cable is usually locked in both ends, and for mode-2 the worst thing anybody easily could do would be unplugging the other end
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2016-11-06T01:53:38 < zyp> englishman, haha, nah, I'm pretty happy about the current situation
2016-11-06T01:55:43 < zyp> LeelooMinai, hang on, I know this, but I forgot the term
2016-11-06T01:57:51 < zyp> IIRC template funcs get compiled to some sort of weak symbols, so that when you've got multiple copies, the linker can drop duplicates
2016-11-06T01:58:34 < zyp> there were a term for it, but I'm still trying to recall it
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2016-11-06T02:01:49 < zyp> wait, are you talking about templates instanced with different but similar-working types?
2016-11-06T02:01:59 < zyp> or templates instanced multiple times on the same type?
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2016-11-06T02:03:14 < zyp> different types gives distinct symbol names due to name mangling
2016-11-06T02:04:17 < zyp> well, that's not template specific, that's equivalent to a function foo() and a function bar() with the same function body
2016-11-06T02:05:01 < zyp> an optimizer pass could in theory do that, but I don't know if it exists in practice
2016-11-06T02:06:17 < zyp> I would assume they won't
2016-11-06T02:06:34 < zyp> just like foo() and bar() wouldn't be merged even though they're identical
2016-11-06T02:06:36 < Laurenceb_> https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/8673
2016-11-06T02:07:33 < Laurenceb_> pizza == cp
2016-11-06T02:07:56 < Steffanx> cp = ?
2016-11-06T02:08:01 < Laurenceb_> aka "Cheese Pizza"
2016-11-06T02:08:31 < Steffanx> Autism Laurenceb_. Autism kicking in.
2016-11-06T02:08:33 < Laurenceb_> https://secure.static.tumblr.com/68f7d77d84580b94f1d4819c9a119516/nacmyom/cjwnj95mx/tumblr_static_tumblr_static__640.gif
2016-11-06T02:09:07 < zyp> LeelooMinai, ah, common symbols was the term I was searching for
2016-11-06T02:09:18 < Steffanx> lol LeelooMinai
2016-11-06T02:09:32 < zyp> that allows the linker to drop duplicates when a template is instanced on the same type in multiple translation units
2016-11-06T02:10:12 < zyp> correct
2016-11-06T02:10:44 < zyp> like I said asdf<foo> and asdf<bar> are as distinct as foo() and bar() as far as the compiler cares
2016-11-06T02:11:40 < zyp> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Template-Instantiation.html <- here's more info
2016-11-06T02:12:11 < zyp> but it doesn't say anything about your question either
2016-11-06T02:15:35 < ohsix> same code with different types? isn't that antithetical to the whole thing
2016-11-06T02:15:43 < ohsix> more like type punned unions AMIRITE
2016-11-06T02:17:32 < decimad> it would be as easy as sorting functions for checksums and then remove duplicates, right? :)
2016-11-06T02:17:32 < ohsix> zyp: lto can deal with symbols that are literally the same, but i don't think anything scans emitted code for equivalence
2016-11-06T02:17:47 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/ac6a630c56a5bffdd9231a5b9f0e564e51f7bd4274593a3b06e9014768785e19.png
2016-11-06T02:18:04 < zyp> LeelooMinai, https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Optimize-Options.html check -fipa-icf and -ftree-tail-merge
2016-11-06T02:18:23 < ohsix> ah ipa
2016-11-06T02:18:59 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interprocedural_optimization#Analysis
2016-11-06T02:19:11 < zyp> apparently gold has it's own ICF thing as well
2016-11-06T02:19:14 < ohsix> i guess that would be the case for a lot of functions
2016-11-06T02:19:42 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: ya post the map file or something of the output with these options, i'm interested if they'll actually do anything like that
2016-11-06T02:21:50 < zyp> it's a linker, replacement for the plain binutils ld
2016-11-06T02:22:08 < zyp> hmm, it's also part of binutils, actually
2016-11-06T02:22:14 < zyp> yep
2016-11-06T02:22:50 < zyp> well, duh, this is the kind of shit -Og needs to turn off
2016-11-06T02:23:36 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_(linker)
2016-11-06T02:27:07 < Laurenceb_> https://web.archive.org/web/20070117010306/http://godhatesgoths.com/
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2016-11-06T02:27:55 < zyp> hmm, my gcc is too old to have -fipa-icf
2016-11-06T02:28:50 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/FRonE <- so I get two distinct copies in the object file
2016-11-06T02:29:28 < zyp> yeah, do you mind trying the same code?
2016-11-06T02:30:02 < zyp> I haven't bothered updating in forever, not much point when what I've got works
2016-11-06T02:30:32 < zyp> hmm, I've got 4.7
2016-11-06T02:36:35 < zyp> idk
2016-11-06T02:37:12 < zyp> maybe it doesn't bother looking at super small functions like that because there's not much of a saving to be had
2016-11-06T02:39:40 < ohsix> dump all the intermediate and see how it affects the code passes too
2016-11-06T02:45:59 < zyp> oh, haha
2016-11-06T02:46:23 < zyp> -O0 -fipa-icf works
2016-11-06T02:46:36 < zyp> in the sense that it gets slower
2016-11-06T02:47:01 < zyp> foo() gets replaced with a call to bar()
2016-11-06T02:49:48 < zyp> ah, right, yeah, it was the trivial function body thing
2016-11-06T02:50:10 < zyp> of course it did
2016-11-06T02:50:15 < zyp> anyway, here: https://godbolt.org/g/uEHELS
2016-11-06T02:50:54 < zyp> shame it does a function call and not just a symbol alias
2016-11-06T02:51:16 < zyp> well, duh
2016-11-06T02:51:20 < zyp> I wouldn't expect anything else
2016-11-06T02:51:56 < zyp> my gpio code is written with that behavior in mind
2016-11-06T02:52:20 < zyp> does a bunch of stuff, but it all gets folded into the basic register RMW that it's supposed to do
2016-11-06T02:52:58 < zyp> yeah
2016-11-06T02:53:20 < zyp> even without lto it'll be fine as long as you don't do stupid stuff with translation units
2016-11-06T02:54:18 < ohsix> size
2016-11-06T02:54:23 < zyp> -Os is -O2 without options that increases size
2016-11-06T02:54:58 < zyp> why?
2016-11-06T02:55:21 < zyp> I mean, consider this; does your firmware fit in flash?
2016-11-06T02:56:09 < zyp> -O2 should be slightly faster than -Os
2016-11-06T02:56:23 < ohsix> zyp: what do you mean by functionc all instead of alias, even with an alias wouldn't the code be emitted with the function that actually matches?
2016-11-06T02:56:24 < zyp> and if that extra flash is going to go unused anyway, why not utilize it?
2016-11-06T02:56:46 < ohsix> (eg. foo can alias bar, but where foo is referenced it'll still be replaced by bar)
2016-11-06T02:56:51 < zyp> ohsix, did you look at that godbolt link?
2016-11-06T02:57:04 < ohsix> ah
2016-11-06T02:57:09 < ohsix> i did but not close enough
2016-11-06T02:57:11 < ohsix> i see
2016-11-06T02:57:17 < ohsix> foo calls bar
2016-11-06T02:57:21 < zyp> yes
2016-11-06T02:57:39 < ohsix> ic ic, i wonder if that is just a hack to keep the distinct symbols and the body is replaced
2016-11-06T02:57:40 < zyp> whereas a symbol alias would have both foo and bar pointing to the same addr
2016-11-06T02:57:44 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-06T02:58:14 < ohsix> replacing foo *body* with foo bar has foo distinct from bar *body*
2016-11-06T02:59:59 < ohsix> by name that is, if compiler considers body to be the same it just replaces one of them
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2016-11-06T03:00:30 < zyp> ohsix, consider this: http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/interrupt/interrupt.cpp
2016-11-06T03:01:00 < zyp> all those weak symbols points to the same function
2016-11-06T03:01:27 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-06T03:01:32 < zyp> which makes all the unused entries in the vector table hold the address of unused_interrupt
2016-11-06T03:01:55 < ohsix> i'm thinking of what the compiler actually would have to do, and why it might not do it already
2016-11-06T03:02:25 < ohsix> assuming they do that because of a shortcoming somewhere they might have to generate a 3rd function with a unique name and make foo and bar alias that
2016-11-06T03:02:27 < ohsix> not eachother
2016-11-06T03:02:42 < ohsix> i bet there's a thread on the ml about this huhuhu
2016-11-06T03:04:04 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: if you uhh, -fdump-ipa-all? you can see how the code is changed between passes
2016-11-06T03:04:24 < zyp> LeelooMinai, it's my mcu lib
2016-11-06T03:04:26 < ohsix> i think the pass will just be looking for candidates for bar and they find one and just replace the body with a function call
2016-11-06T03:04:29 < ohsix> bbiab
2016-11-06T03:05:06 < ohsix> this is the first legit reason i've come across that wasn't looking for a compiler bug, for the -fdump stuff :D
2016-11-06T03:05:48 < zyp> eh, idk
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2016-11-06T03:06:12 < zyp> it didn't start out as a lib
2016-11-06T03:06:32 < zyp> I was making some quadrotor shit, originally used chibios
2016-11-06T03:07:01 < zyp> then I found out I spent more time working around chibios than actually using it, so I threw it out and started writing directly against the registers
2016-11-06T03:08:32 < zyp> I wanted usb for configuration, and by the time I had a working usb stack in my quadrotor project, I realized that I had a ton of reusable code, so I split it out as a separate lib that I could use for other projects as well
2016-11-06T03:08:54 < zyp> eh, there's a context switcher, but I've never really used it outside the quadrotor project
2016-11-06T03:09:17 < zyp> like I've mentioned before, multithreading generally adds more hassles than it solves for simple projects
2016-11-06T03:10:07 < zyp> context switch routine uses instructions that doesn't exist in ARMv6-M, so when I added cortex-m0 support I just ifdeffed it out :p
2016-11-06T03:19:36 < ohsix> you need to get with the postmodernists
2016-11-06T03:20:48 < ohsix> clean is an aesthetic with tons of interpretations
2016-11-06T03:22:22 < ohsix> synthesis of zyp's statement is that he removed things that made work for him over time. what makes what you are doing different is you're doing a lot of work for a hypothetical ease of use and cleanliness 'later'
2016-11-06T03:24:09 < ohsix> http://catalog.pelonistechnologies.com/viewitems/micro-blowers/all-categories-micro-blowers-rfb2008-micro-blower?
2016-11-06T03:25:03 < ohsix> these things are $$$$$
2016-11-06T03:25:11 < ohsix> lulzbot printhead uses them
2016-11-06T03:28:20 < ohsix> hmm i wasn't looking to replace them, but now that i think about where it is on the printhead, i can see why we were having problems with pla
2016-11-06T03:29:00 < KreAture_Zzz> any dma gurus here today then?
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2016-11-06T03:29:26 < KreAture_> still haven't found out why my first dma transfer happens immediately when I enable it instead of waiting for the next event from the timer
2016-11-06T03:29:40 < KreAture_> can't seem to find a way to clear the possible earlier pending event either
2016-11-06T03:30:20 < KreAture_> ahh
2016-11-06T03:30:22 < KreAture_> read up now
2016-11-06T03:30:27 < KreAture_> well it was 3am hehe
2016-11-06T03:32:48 < KreAture_> yes
2016-11-06T03:33:06 < KreAture_> I have some quite expensive inductive integrating current probes for the lecroy scope to do that
2016-11-06T03:33:16 < KreAture_> we look at microcontrollers and cpu's power states
2016-11-06T03:33:32 < KreAture_> and yes, my probe is a 10k one
2016-11-06T03:49:49 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: seems an INA199A1/A2/A3 and a reasonably fast ADC connected to one of your FPGA boards would do a good job
2016-11-06T03:54:01 < ohsix> you can get demo boards witl lvds of really high r8 converters
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2016-11-06T03:57:41 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai btw I still haven't figured out why the dma triggers immediately btw
2016-11-06T03:58:00 < aandrew> it ends with you discovering a new language and rewriting some of your old projects to use it too :-)
2016-11-06T03:58:31 < ohsix> KreAture_: is the timer already running when you enable the dma channel?
2016-11-06T03:58:56 < ohsix> if it is, try starting timer after
2016-11-06T04:00:47 < KreAture_> ohsix yes, it it isn't triggering early, it is triggering immediately when I start the dma
2016-11-06T04:01:15 < KreAture_> ohsix and I cannot start the timer after, as the timer is generating the clock for the sdram
2016-11-06T04:01:38 < KreAture_> ohsix I am trying to start a transfer to command the sdram into doing something, and using the dma chained to the clock makes it do so in synch with clock
2016-11-06T04:01:44 < KreAture_> well, except for first transfer
2016-11-06T04:02:12 < KreAture_> ohsix a workaround for now has been to copy the existing idle state (refresh cycle) into the first position of the command buffer
2016-11-06T04:02:32 < KreAture_> This will not change the data on the port already so the extra initial transfer does not create a glitch
2016-11-06T04:02:38 < KreAture_> but I feel it is a hack
2016-11-06T04:02:50 < KreAture_> I try clearing any relevant flags first but it still does it
2016-11-06T04:03:39 < ohsix> well, i'd have to read a bunch of junk, but i could see how,  if the timer were running already, that when you enable the channel it does one transfer. so i can't really say atm if that is wrong
2016-11-06T04:04:28 < ohsix> which series?
2016-11-06T04:04:33 < KreAture_> TIM_DMACmd(TIM2, TIM_DMA_CC3, ENABLE);
2016-11-06T04:04:33 < KreAture_>   DMA_ClearFlag(DMA1_FLAG_TC1);
2016-11-06T04:04:33 < KreAture_>   TIM_ClearFlag(TIM2, TIM_FLAG_CC1 | TIM_FLAG_CC2 | TIM_FLAG_CC3 | TIM_FLAG_CC4 | TIM_FLAG_Update);
2016-11-06T04:04:33 < KreAture_>   GPIOB->BSRR = sdram_CAS<<16; // Signal we start listening by dropping cas
2016-11-06T04:04:33 < KreAture_>   DMA_Cmd(DMA1_Channel1, ENABLE);
2016-11-06T04:04:38 < KreAture_> f103
2016-11-06T04:05:07 < KreAture_> The gpio command there is to trigger my scope so I can compare the synch vs the clock
2016-11-06T04:05:27 < KreAture_> I notice that regardless when in the clock cycle I enable the dma, it triggers immediately
2016-11-06T04:05:39 < KreAture_> the next transfer however happens perfectly on queue
2016-11-06T04:06:40 < Laurenceb_> CNN: Social justice activist Shmuel Hydenblatt has been wrongly apprehended by Russian neonazi police after his attempt to liberate Drumpf
2016-11-06T04:07:02 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/96bf71dc157b6d76c8ef84433d6bbc9b0c734016a85b7fc0297a32d525388dfb.jpg
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2016-11-06T04:07:51 < KreAture_> dma transfering data to gpiob->odr
2016-11-06T04:08:51 < KreAture_> timer free running at x mhz, oc3 outputs clock, oc3 match trigger -> dma1_channel3
2016-11-06T04:09:00 < KreAture_> yes
2016-11-06T04:09:05 < KreAture_> but not untill next match
2016-11-06T04:09:51 < KreAture_> sorry dma1, channel 1
2016-11-06T04:10:01 < KreAture_> tim2_ch3 can trigger dma1_ch1
2016-11-06T04:10:20 < KreAture_> tim2_ch3 also outputs to pa15 after remapping
2016-11-06T04:14:00 < KreAture_> I think my problem is i can't clear the pending request
2016-11-06T04:15:11 < KreAture_> no
2016-11-06T04:15:20 < KreAture_> I want it to follow the interrupt and trigger flags
2016-11-06T04:15:31 < KreAture_> it should start transfering data when the first request from the device comes
2016-11-06T04:15:35 < KreAture_> not immediately
2016-11-06T04:15:57 < KreAture_> I think it is a bit off from the planned use, because the dma system in stm32 is preemptive
2016-11-06T04:16:22 < KreAture_> it always copies data from the source as soon as it can to be ready for the time when the receiving peripheral asks for it
2016-11-06T04:16:38 < KreAture_> but I have not connected the receiving peripherals request, I connected the timer to the dma instead'
2016-11-06T04:16:47 < KreAture_> to make it clock the transfer
2016-11-06T04:17:15 < KreAture_> and it does indeed work, except for the first transfer which happens immediately when I enable the dma channel
2016-11-06T04:18:21 < KreAture_> omgh!"
2016-11-06T04:18:26 < KreAture_> I think I figured it out!
2016-11-06T04:18:40 < KreAture_> I was enabeling the transfer by turning on DMA_Cmd(DMA1_Channel1, ENABLE);
2016-11-06T04:18:53 < KreAture_> but I should have been starting it by enabeling TIM_DMACmd(TIM2, TIM_DMA_CC3, ENABLE);
2016-11-06T04:19:26 < KreAture_> This activates the connection between the timer and the dma and makeapparantly this clears any pending request as it does so
2016-11-06T04:21:44 < KreAture_> no mention of this in datasheet
2016-11-06T04:21:46 < KreAture_> hmm
2016-11-06T04:21:57 < KreAture_> it just works vs my test when I swap em
2016-11-06T04:30:54 < Laurenceb_> lul all my family are voting for Trump
2016-11-06T04:31:14 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-11-06T04:31:35 < Laurenceb_> my brother, aunt and cousins all just early voted
2016-11-06T04:31:51 < Laurenceb_> trumpening confirmed
2016-11-06T04:32:11 < Laurenceb_> they always voted democrat
2016-11-06T04:33:44 < KreAture_> haha
2016-11-06T04:33:48 < KreAture_> the trumphening
2016-11-06T04:34:21 < KreAture_> as I said earlier, you're screwed regardless
2016-11-06T04:34:37 < KreAture_> this is like the dodos saying "oh shit, there died the last female"
2016-11-06T04:34:56 < KreAture_> yup
2016-11-06T04:35:06 < KreAture_> problem is, how far would clinton go?
2016-11-06T04:35:22 < KreAture_> trump is atleast more transparrent
2016-11-06T04:35:37 < Laurenceb_> prob war with the ebil russia
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2016-11-06T04:36:39 < Laurenceb_> rofl my Uncle just rang
2016-11-06T04:36:52 < Laurenceb_> full rage mode, voting for Hillary
2016-11-06T04:37:16 < Laurenceb_> epin family feud
2016-11-06T04:40:01 < ohsix> i see the bait was taken
2016-11-06T04:47:58 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiFbtgkELxE
2016-11-06T04:49:34 < KreAture_> yep!
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2016-11-06T05:11:33 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai now I am even taking into acocunt the lagg between clearing the flags and enabling the transfer :)
2016-11-06T05:11:56 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai so now I can start implementing the rest of the commands I need to store and retrieve data, having memory idling at refresh in between
2016-11-06T05:12:09 < KreAture_> uses more power than only refreshing when needed but you gotta start somewhere
2016-11-06T05:12:21 < KreAture_> first make it hold the data, then save power
2016-11-06T05:15:16 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/0d0eaf95c5a0a29505d30a512e45351fc143b0f711eb03bb2debf02df32c1e83.jpg
2016-11-06T05:20:06 < upgrdman> KreAture_, is your mill DIY?
2016-11-06T05:20:27 < KreAture_> upgrdman very diy yes
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2016-11-06T05:21:17 < Laurenceb_> nice
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2016-11-06T06:00:07 < upgrdman> what are these 8pad MLCCs? http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/system/microsoft/xbox360/xenos.jpg guessing theyre cap networks? or just some weird low-ESL package for MLCCs?
2016-11-06T06:00:22 < gxti> yes
2016-11-06T06:10:37 < upgrdman> whats the purpose of the metal cock ring around this silicon?  http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/NVIDIA-Maxwell-GM200-400-A1-GPU.jpg
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2016-11-06T06:12:19 < ohsix> everyone talking about the xbux again after electronupdate
2016-11-06T06:13:39 < upgrdman> englishman, youre welcome
2016-11-06T06:14:01 < upgrdman> but i dont see those cock rings around all heatsinked silicon
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2016-11-06T06:43:39 < ohsix> englishman: not really, vxworks still exists tho
2016-11-06T06:43:51 < ohsix> and cisco
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2016-11-06T07:35:29 < ohsix> h3h
2016-11-06T07:35:44 < ohsix> watching 8 out of 10 cats do countdown, that's a dumb little project for a servo, the countdown clock
2016-11-06T07:37:23 < ohsix> mmh shit, with an lcd you could have the whole game
2016-11-06T07:40:22 < ohsix> need a word list on sd card, a button for large/small numbers and vowels/consonants
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2016-11-06T09:02:32 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Tingle
2016-11-06T09:03:35 < ohsix> Bigfoot Pirates Haunt My Balls	
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2016-11-06T10:26:41 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/05/french_teen_suspended_sentence_wifi_network/
2016-11-06T10:26:44 < dongs> lol
2016-11-06T10:28:50 < ohsix> i still wanna build one of those bss spammers
2016-11-06T10:29:04 < ohsix> it's wild there isn't more shenanigans than there are with the esp8266
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2016-11-06T13:12:45 < dongs> Tectu! where the fuck have you been
2016-11-06T13:12:56 < Tectu> sleeping
2016-11-06T13:13:06 < Tectu> and otherwise around here most of the time
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2016-11-06T13:14:22 < dongs> election is on monday eh
2016-11-06T13:14:27 < dongs> er tuesday
2016-11-06T13:14:30 < dongs> lets hope trump wins
2016-11-06T13:14:44 < Tectu> And how are you, Mr. dongs?
2016-11-06T13:14:45 < Steffanx> Some gun fanatic will kill him the same day.
2016-11-06T13:15:02 < dongs> good. chopped a bunch of wood today.
2016-11-06T13:15:23 < ReadErr> is that code for something
2016-11-06T13:15:27 < dongs> nope
2016-11-06T13:15:30 < Steffanx> *watched my kid put wood in the wood chopper?
2016-11-06T13:20:21 < ReadErr> training for the lumberjack games?
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2016-11-06T13:50:39 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/75815abce38df3facf72bfaa7f59dfa7b53a1fdecd7c0691a8c56481ed1ad311.webm
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2016-11-06T14:03:05 < Laurenceb_> attn englishman http://imgur.com/a/Hh0f8
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2016-11-06T14:28:23 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: wtf?
2016-11-06T14:28:42 < Laurenceb_>  "art"
2016-11-06T14:28:57 < kakimir> for childrent
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2016-11-06T14:30:42 < Laurenceb_> obviously
2016-11-06T14:31:01 < Steffanx> This in aussieland? Im surprised. This is the kind of "art" we get in dutchland
2016-11-06T14:31:33 < decimad> hrmmm, any idea why a section with NOLOAD attribute contributes to the bss size of the resulting object file? hrmmm
2016-11-06T14:32:08 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/2a81ac399a13e7cf4780415d95997b1867c2cf53376948b7f3bbf2ae1c70454b.jpg
2016-11-06T14:32:11 < Laurenceb_> murican "art"
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2016-11-06T15:35:47 < zyp> decimad, .bss is NOLOAD per definition
2016-11-06T15:35:51 < zyp> it's allocated but not loaded
2016-11-06T15:37:01 < decimad> zyp: I have a section here that defines where a heap would go, I never use it, but it basically fills .bss so I'm left without a clue how much memory I'm really hugging (obviously I removed it now, but I don't know what I'll do when I ever need a heap)
2016-11-06T15:38:08 < jpa-> why would you need a whole section for it? usually one would just have _end_of_static_allocations pointer and the heap starts from there
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2016-11-06T15:41:20 < decimad> jpa-: that's just how the chibios heap seems to work, by referencing that section.
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2016-11-06T15:44:51 < jpa-> one way would be just to know the size of that and subtract it from bss
2016-11-06T15:46:39 < Tectu> btw, haven't heart of crt in a while. he still around?
2016-11-06T15:47:17 < decimad> jpa- I tried to readelf --all, but found nothing resembling that section's size
2016-11-06T15:47:45 < jpa-> i usually use objdump -t
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2016-11-06T15:51:58 < Steffanx> crt = stvn = still around sometimes Tectu
2016-11-06T15:52:07 < Steffanx> most of time time when you are not here.
2016-11-06T15:52:08 < Tectu> thx papa Steffanx 
2016-11-06T15:52:15 < Steffanx> you're welcome.
2016-11-06T15:52:53 < jpa-> ah, that's why stvn appeared so dumb
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2016-11-06T15:59:25 < Steffanx> Why can't all be as smart as(s) you jpa-.
2016-11-06T16:00:04 < jpa-> indeed, or you my dear Steffanx 
2016-11-06T16:00:21 < jpa-> or atleast as smart as Tectu 
2016-11-06T16:01:43 < Steffanx> How's mr jpa-?
2016-11-06T16:02:28 < jpa-> he's ircing
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2016-11-06T16:03:17 < Steffanx> Me too, what a surprise.
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2016-11-06T16:19:06 < Rob235> hello people
2016-11-06T16:24:15 < Steffanx> Hello Robby.
2016-11-06T16:25:05 < Fleck> hello!
2016-11-06T16:27:45 < Tectu> Rob235, so a friend of mine started to vape. and he says it's nice.
2016-11-06T16:27:59 < Rob235> switching from cigs?
2016-11-06T16:28:04 < Tectu> nah, newbie
2016-11-06T16:28:22 < Steffanx> WHHY
2016-11-06T16:28:30 < Tectu> if only I knew...
2016-11-06T16:28:36 < Rob235> hope hes not using nicotine, I don't really condone that, I think its a great way to get off cigs but thats it
2016-11-06T16:28:40 < Steffanx> Why would anyone start to vape when you didnt even smoke before.
2016-11-06T16:29:01 < Rob235> Since I dropped down to zero nicotine I notice I don't vape as much
2016-11-06T16:29:04 < Steffanx> That excuse.. many people getting off cigs by vaping are now vape addicts.
2016-11-06T16:29:58 < Rob235> Steffanx: yes maybe but those people were probably never going to get off cigs any other way so at least they are doing something much safer for themselves and everyone else
2016-11-06T16:30:16 < Steffanx> maybe.
2016-11-06T16:31:07 < Rob235> and with vaping at least you choose how much nicotine you want and can lower that without affecting how many puffs you are taking
2016-11-06T16:31:51 < Rob235> anyway.... what are you all up to
2016-11-06T16:32:40 < Steffanx> stop it englishman. 
2016-11-06T16:40:46 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ovxwhgG8/pump.png
2016-11-06T16:40:56 < ReadErr> murican art
2016-11-06T16:43:19 < Tectu> that is not stm32 related, ReadErr 
2016-11-06T16:43:46 < Laurenceb_> https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/46134
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2016-11-06T16:46:27 < ReadErr> ya tru
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2016-11-06T16:47:03 < Steffanx> englishman you're theory failed.
2016-11-06T16:48:26 < Steffanx>  /ignore Laurenceb_? 
2016-11-06T16:48:32 < Fleck> time to visit eye doc then
2016-11-06T16:48:48 < Steffanx> lol, but that is hardly ever the case 
2016-11-06T16:50:44 < Rob235> oh shit, look at the all powerful englishman
2016-11-06T16:52:10 < Rob235> I need to do some soldering today, finish this stupid remote, I hope I'm doing it right
2016-11-06T16:52:29 < Steffanx> if it works you did it right.
2016-11-06T16:54:50 < Steffanx> yankees..
2016-11-06T16:57:04 < Rob235> this look good? except for the mosfet is going to be connected to the teensy vin/gnd and IR led (the 3 things on the bottom are buttons (inside thinner lines are button led): http://imgur.com/a/Xq98l
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2016-11-06T16:58:13 < zyp> uh, wtf is that supposed to be?
2016-11-06T16:59:02 < Rob235> a fixed remote for my tv, we lost the remote for my tv when we gave up cable tv for iptv, just need a power and volume up/down controls
2016-11-06T16:59:20 < Rob235> everything else is done by vnc, just need those 3 buttons
2016-11-06T16:59:29 < zyp> I mean the schematic, how the fuck am I supposed to read it?
2016-11-06T17:00:50 < Rob235> haha I thought it was fairly simple, you don't need to help if I did it poorly, I can explain what things are if you care to help since i didn't use proper symbols
2016-11-06T17:01:21 < zyp> I assume left side is power switch, right side is battery connector?
2016-11-06T17:01:23 < Rob235> its more of a wiring diagram
2016-11-06T17:01:29 < Rob235> yes
2016-11-06T17:01:38 < zyp> and bottom would be the three buttons, but I don't get why they have three terminals
2016-11-06T17:01:40 < Rob235> well it will be a usb cable
2016-11-06T17:01:58 < zyp> what are the brown things? leds?
2016-11-06T17:02:00 < Rob235> as I said they have leds to light up the buttons, so the two thin terminals are for the led
2016-11-06T17:02:05 < Rob235> the brown things are resistors
2016-11-06T17:02:24 < Rob235> the outer thick ones are the tactile switch itself
2016-11-06T17:02:40 < zyp> okay so the leds are always lit
2016-11-06T17:02:48 < Rob235> if the switch is on, yes
2016-11-06T17:03:14 < zyp> and the mosfet will drive the ir led, which you forgot to draw?
2016-11-06T17:03:59 < Rob235> correct and instead of powering straight from the 5v usb input i will connect it to vin/gnd on the teensy since it should be fine with 100mA which I'm starting with
2016-11-06T17:04:22 < zyp> 100mA is a lot of current for a single led, even IR
2016-11-06T17:04:23 < zyp> no?
2016-11-06T17:04:29 < Rob235> otherwise I would have to connect gnd to both the teensy and usb gnd correct?
2016-11-06T17:04:32 < zyp> I'd think 20mA would be enough
2016-11-06T17:04:34 < Rob235> not this one
2016-11-06T17:04:53 < Rob235> 20 mA is only good for like 1 meter
2016-11-06T17:05:07 < Rob235> one sec let me look at the datasheet
2016-11-06T17:05:30 < zyp> eh, I doubt that, but whatever
2016-11-06T17:05:47 < Rob235> 100mA continuous, 1000mA pulse
2016-11-06T17:06:16 < zyp> since your mosfet doesn't have any markings, I'm just going to confirm
2016-11-06T17:06:26 < Rob235> GDS
2016-11-06T17:06:39 < zyp> it's a nfet, orange is gate, black is source and the resistor/led will be connected between red and drain?
2016-11-06T17:06:57 < zyp> right, okay, that seems fair
2016-11-06T17:07:37 < Rob235> so looks ok? sorry for doing it stupidly :P I was just trying to imagine it before I started
2016-11-06T17:07:40 < zyp> you can just keep it at 5V, I guess the teensy got a linear reg so either way you're just going to burn up the extra voltage
2016-11-06T17:08:20 < zyp> what's the grey line? 3.3V?
2016-11-06T17:08:30 < Rob235> teensy gnd
2016-11-06T17:08:46 < zyp> why do you have multiple grounds?
2016-11-06T17:09:06 < Rob235> what do I do, connect them together?
2016-11-06T17:09:43 < zyp> where would they be separated in the first place? it's not like the teensy got an isolated power supply
2016-11-06T17:10:37 < zyp> I'd move the resistor for the button leds over to the positive side, and then hook the same ground to both the led and the switch terminal on each
2016-11-06T17:10:38 < Rob235> ohhh you mean the black and grey.  that was when I wasn't going to power the IR led through the teensy like in the drawing
2016-11-06T17:11:54 < Rob235> oh I see, so since teensy gnd is connected to usb gnd it doesn't matter at all where it connects?
2016-11-06T17:12:17 < Rob235> as long as too much current doesn't flow through the teensy?
2016-11-06T17:12:48 < zyp> there's only one ground either way
2016-11-06T17:12:54 < Rob235> ok
2016-11-06T17:13:05 < Rob235> alright thanks
2016-11-06T17:18:42 < Tectu> sweet
2016-11-06T17:19:52 < Tectu> actually, good reminder. I'm hungry
2016-11-06T17:21:14 < ReadErr> Rob235: blowin fat clouds after upping the VG
2016-11-06T17:21:23 < ReadErr> vape production on swole
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2016-11-06T17:22:16 < Rob235> max VG always yo
2016-11-06T17:22:57 < Tectu> time for the monthly check-up on TempleOS
2016-11-06T17:25:28 < ReadErr> let us know whats good
2016-11-06T17:25:43 < ReadErr> I bet hes a trumpist
2016-11-06T17:25:49 < ReadErr> if he had to pick a person
2016-11-06T17:25:56 < Rob235> who
2016-11-06T17:26:05 < ReadErr> terry davis
2016-11-06T17:26:45 < Laurenceb_> TempleOS is best OS
2016-11-06T17:26:46 < Tectu> I bet Steffanx already forgot the name again
2016-11-06T17:27:09 < ReadErr> he thinks the entire gov is a bunch of CIA n*gg*rs
2016-11-06T17:27:16 < ReadErr> w/e that means
2016-11-06T17:27:54 < Laurenceb_> people he runs over with his car
2016-11-06T17:28:04 < Rob235> HolyC and "Red Sea"
2016-11-06T17:28:06 < Rob235> wow
2016-11-06T17:31:39 < ReadErr> bru
2016-11-06T17:31:44 < ReadErr> theres soooo many gems on that site
2016-11-06T17:31:55 < ReadErr> it will warp your mind
2016-11-06T17:32:34 < Tectu> have you never been there before, Mr. ReadErr ?
2016-11-06T17:32:42 < ReadErr> oh I have
2016-11-06T17:32:46 < ReadErr> I was just telling Rob235 
2016-11-06T17:33:38 < Tectu> gold for the next vape party
2016-11-06T17:33:50 < Rob235> oh I was just on the wikipedia page, yea this page is great hah
2016-11-06T17:35:11 < ReadErr> his sites even better
2016-11-06T17:36:12 < Rob235> s/this/his
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2016-11-06T17:43:42 < Rob235> https://video-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t42.4659-2/12438306_813549288755810_1521617509_n.mp4?oh=eeb1c1cd053ceef0b28d22612043dc19&oe=581F836B (watch on repeat somehow)
2016-11-06T17:49:43 < Tectu> stop facebooking during work
2016-11-06T17:52:20 < ReadErr> STOP WORKING ON THE SABATH 
2016-11-06T17:52:31 < ReadErr> its prayday allday
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2016-11-06T17:58:07 < Tectu> time zones guys...
2016-11-06T17:59:02 < jpa-> yeah, sun has already set here
2016-11-06T18:02:50 < Tectu> https://cdn.hackaday.io/images/7817081478444746177.JPG
2016-11-06T18:07:19 < ReadErr> englishman: http://imgur.com/gallery/l1h91
2016-11-06T18:07:21 < ReadErr> gotta step it up
2016-11-06T18:07:54 < ReadErr> 125lbs lifting 180kg/400lb
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2016-11-06T18:10:07 < ReadErr> dont die
2016-11-06T18:10:45 < ReadErr> dont forget the leg warmers
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2016-11-06T18:23:41 < Tectu> > even men make better women than women do
2016-11-06T18:24:08 < Tectu> I see a bunch of feminists getting ready to walk in circles in front of englishman's house holding signs up
2016-11-06T18:33:35 < ReadErr> AC6
2016-11-06T18:33:37 < ReadErr> so gross
2016-11-06T18:34:09 < ReadErr> ive grown fond of chibistudio suite 
2016-11-06T18:34:15 < ReadErr> altho you can install everything on its own
2016-11-06T18:34:42 < Tectu> embitz.org
2016-11-06T18:35:14 < ReadErr> hmm nope
2016-11-06T18:35:34 < ReadErr> ok 
2016-11-06T18:36:02 < Tectu> wtf? are you talking about my link that points you to a very well working IDE made for embedded development that fully supports STM32 ?
2016-11-06T18:36:21 < Tectu> that actually answers your question "what do you propose to use?"" 
2016-11-06T18:37:26 < Tectu> yes
2016-11-06T18:37:32 < Tectu> not sure, they talked about it when I used it last time. maybe
2016-11-06T18:37:52 < Tectu> maybe you want to check the link before you enter bitch-mode next time ;)
2016-11-06T18:38:36 < ReadErr> maybe you set your expectations too high
2016-11-06T18:38:45 < ReadErr> by expecting shit to justwork(tm)
2016-11-06T18:39:21 < Tectu> well, from what you said so far it sounds to me like you want to use Keil uVision
2016-11-06T18:39:26 < Tectu> but I guess you will enter bitch-mode again now
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2016-11-06T18:42:48 < Tectu> to be honest Keil uVision is the only IDE (for STM32 stuff) that always just works and supports all the stuff that you mentioned above.
2016-11-06T18:42:58 < Tectu> whenever I just need to get something done, I use that.
2016-11-06T18:43:29 < Tectu> at the beginning I always raged when customers told me that they use Keil and now I am always thankful. It's the only thing that really just works.
2016-11-06T18:46:03 < Tectu> R2COM, yeah, that's really the only downside I can think of. You can request a 90 days evaluation license that allows you doing actual commercial work with it, though.
2016-11-06T18:48:57 < zyp> I've still yet to make a project larger than 32k
2016-11-06T19:06:02 < Rob235> I use an old version of coocox coide, haven't tried the new beta yet but its eclipse based and is easy to get started.  not sure if the new version uses cube though
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2016-11-06T19:06:26 < Rob235> oh right, I'm on ignore
2016-11-06T19:06:32 < Rob235> :)
2016-11-06T19:07:25 < Rob235> haha why though, its definitely not perfect but its free and I haven't had any issues with it (although I guess I haven't learned anything advanced enough to matter yet)
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2016-11-06T19:09:23 < Rob235> If I can get a hexacopter to fly with it as my first project it can't be that bad :)
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2016-11-06T21:26:30 < Tectu> I did once
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2016-11-06T21:40:17 < PaulFertser> AC6 uses openocd for debugging, that's why I guess.
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2016-11-06T22:24:54 < TheSeven> hm, I have a development board with an stm32f205rct6, and a production board with an stm32f205rbt6
2016-11-06T22:24:54 < TheSeven> I've flashed the very same binary to both of them
2016-11-06T22:24:54 < TheSeven> pinout etc. is identical
2016-11-06T22:24:54 < TheSeven> on the production board with the 205rb, something responds to an IRQ a couple of microseconds too late, causing radio communication issues
2016-11-06T22:25:34 < TheSeven> the xtal and its capacitors are from the same order...
2016-11-06T22:40:15 < Tectu> LeelooMinai, circular buffer?
2016-11-06T22:41:38 < Laurenceb_> I think I should introduce my dad to the emdrive forum
2016-11-06T22:41:53 < Laurenceb_> that would keep him busy and stop him bothering me
2016-11-06T22:42:14 < Tectu> LeelooMinai, I agree, was just wondering whether that would fit your use case.
2016-11-06T22:47:47 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: cycling linked list probably? It seems it's not something commonly useful.
2016-11-06T22:51:10 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: ah, yes, that's a typo
2016-11-06T22:52:19 < aandrew> hm, so I have a little 3' HDMI cable that's a little too cheap :-)
2016-11-06T22:52:24 < aandrew> wont' do 720p or 1080p
2016-11-06T22:58:42 < aandrew> very true. it gets cut in half
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2016-11-06T23:12:04 < aandrew> yeah I just finished putting a heavy old 42" plasma up in the basement
2016-11-06T23:12:32 < aandrew> there's a 4.5' space that I put a pair of 2x4s across, then mounted the mount ot them
2016-11-06T23:12:47 < aandrew> it's one of those fancy adjustable mounts (so I could angle the tv away from me or toward me)
2016-11-06T23:12:50 < aandrew> but the TV is fucking heavy
2016-11-06T23:13:13 < aandrew> the mount is rated more than enough for hte TV, but the long spans for 2x4s had me worried
2016-11-06T23:13:18 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/2c0081a0750481e94c2b772d76491bbd3f3e57cc61caede860e8eeddbc72f3bb.jpg
2016-11-06T23:13:26 < Laurenceb_> use a projector instead ^
2016-11-06T23:13:30 < aandrew> with the mount fully extended and me (200lbs) hanging off of it the two 2x4s would wow quite a bit
2016-11-06T23:13:48 < aandrew> so I cut some of that slotted angle iron and used that to stiffen the 2x4s a bit
2016-11-06T23:13:54 < aandrew> it works reasonably well now
2016-11-06T23:14:02 < TheSeven> englishman: well, USB works, so it must be somewhat accurate at least
2016-11-06T23:14:29 < TheSeven> it's more like the chip would respond more slowly to the (external) IRQ or something
2016-11-06T23:15:11 < TheSeven> I need to have completed an SPI transaction within ~12µs after the IRQ line goes low
2016-11-06T23:15:36 < TheSeven> and while that works on the F205RC, it fails on the F205RB
2016-11-06T23:17:59 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: nah, this is all unfinished
2016-11-06T23:18:24 < aandrew> anyway... I got the whole thing mounted, lifted that fucking heavy TV and discovered... the mount "bar" is like 6" too short
2016-11-06T23:18:29 < aandrew> apparently my tv is older than the VESA standard
2016-11-06T23:18:40 < aandrew> and while the mount is good to 60" TV, my 42" just isn't going ot work
2016-11-06T23:19:15 < aandrew> so I bought an old mount with the right width "bar" with the intention of replacing the short bar with the long one and keeping the actual articulating part
2016-11-06T23:19:43 < aandrew> the longer bar doesn't have the same mounting holes, so while the top of it fit, I had to drill/tap new holes in the bottom
2016-11-06T23:20:18 < aandrew> so to do that I had to buy a 17/64" drill bit and ended up buying a rather nice set from princess auto on sale
2016-11-06T23:20:46 < aandrew> drilled, tapped, screwed down and mounted...left it hanging all afternoon with the kids out of the basement to make sure it wasn't going ot let go
2016-11-06T23:20:51 < aandrew> now they're watching Hercules on it :-)
2016-11-06T23:23:25 < aandrew> it's a TH-46PZ800U, looking up the specs now
2016-11-06T23:24:04 < TheSeven> englishman: I've been compiling for RB all the time, just ran it on an RC chip
2016-11-06T23:24:13 < TheSeven> RAM is like maybe 4K used?
2016-11-06T23:25:40 < TheSeven> (that said, RB and RC are the same die anyway IIUC?)
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2016-11-06T23:27:13 < wanderman> Hello
2016-11-06T23:27:29 < wanderman> is this room UE room ?
2016-11-06T23:27:31 < wanderman> :D
2016-11-06T23:27:53 < aandrew> 630W maximum yeah
2016-11-06T23:27:59 < wanderman> UK going to seperate from EU .
2016-11-06T23:28:03 < wanderman> why is it ?
2016-11-06T23:28:28 < aandrew> I just downloaded the manual and looked at the specs. that's certianly not awesome
2016-11-06T23:28:39 < aandrew> it is an occasional use set though so that's not terrible I guess
2016-11-06T23:28:52 < aandrew> I'm paying $400/2mos, that ws before this set was installed
2016-11-06T23:39:50 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: nah I know plasma is power hungry
2016-11-06T23:39:55 < aandrew> and this set is 8 years old
2016-11-06T23:39:59 < aandrew> englishman: yes
2016-11-06T23:42:45 < aandrew> yeah that's why I bought it
2016-11-06T23:42:46 < aandrew> well no
2016-11-06T23:43:00 < aandrew> I bought a plasma back then for that but also because there's a piece of regular old glass in front of the display
2016-11-06T23:43:10 < aandrew> whereas with LCD the screen is there to touch
2016-11-06T23:43:26 < aandrew> and I had small kids and the tv was on a stand where kids could touch it
2016-11-06T23:44:19 < aandrew> yeah $0.18/kWh at peak (which is when the tv is almost never used), so it's about $0.125/h to run at peak
2016-11-06T23:44:48 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: lol
2016-11-06T23:47:40 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX1x0aXkvJ8 :D
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2016-11-06T23:49:28 < Fleck> hi LeelooMinai :)
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2016-11-07T00:33:26 < jadew> wtf, if I try to download software from STs website I have to fill in an inquiry about my project?
2016-11-07T00:33:34 < upgrdman> damn it. that moment when you realize you're using an O(NlogN + N) algorithm when you could be doing it as O(n)    :(
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2016-11-07T00:34:52 < jadew> and they spelled Romania wrong
2016-11-07T00:35:39 < jadew> "Request for software successfully submitted. The approval process may take up to 48 hours. After you have been approved, you should receive a link to the requested software via email."
2016-11-07T00:35:55 < jadew> kind of wish I didn't add my "this form is annoying." comment on that form
2016-11-07T00:35:58 < Steffanx> What you try to download?
2016-11-07T00:36:17 < jadew> some cube software
2016-11-07T00:36:53 < jadew> I don't even know if it's what I want to look at
2016-11-07T00:37:34 < jadew> I wonder if they'll reject it
2016-11-07T00:37:40 < Steffanx> It must be using your ip or something to see you are from romania, i dont remember i had to fill in more than email/name
2016-11-07T00:38:05 < ReadErr> normally I just press a bunch of random buttons
2016-11-07T00:38:12 < ReadErr> then hit enter and it downloads
2016-11-07T00:38:32 < jadew> Steffanx, yeah, in the past it didn't ask me anything either
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2016-11-07T00:39:54 < jadew> this is stupid, so now I have to wait for someone to click "ok" ffs
2016-11-07T00:40:15 < Steffanx> get a proxt.
2016-11-07T00:40:15 < Steffanx> y
2016-11-07T00:40:47 < jadew> I'll just look through my older downloads, I probably already have what I need
2016-11-07T00:42:12 < jadew> "please delete the version you already have, your application was declined"
2016-11-07T00:42:35 < jadew> well look at that, I already have it.
2016-11-07T00:42:38 < jadew> in your face ST!
2016-11-07T00:43:33 < jadew> there's no organization on my PC except for the downloads
2016-11-07T00:43:47 < jadew> I've been organizing them for more than a decade
2016-11-07T00:44:30 < jadew> I need FF 1.0.2? I know exactly where to find it
2016-11-07T00:51:42 < KreAture_Zzz> LeelooMinai I got almost all the code I need in place now for block transfer of 512 bytes at a time to sdram :)
2016-11-07T00:51:46 < ReadErr> crooked hillary wrote that article im sure
2016-11-07T00:51:49 -!- KreAture_Zzz is now known as KreAture_
2016-11-07T00:52:55 < KreAture_> yeah trump is much taller
2016-11-07T00:54:22 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai I got the hardest thing to figure out though
2016-11-07T00:54:33 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai I need to handle the ras to cas delay shit
2016-11-07T00:55:10 < KreAture_> I can program a cas latency of 2 or 3
2016-11-07T00:55:36 < KreAture_> nah it's still a wip
2016-11-07T00:55:54 < KreAture_> haven't had much time to work on it this weekend, just got the clocking sorted yesterday
2016-11-07T00:56:13 < KreAture_> I am trying to figure out how to get the data read to start at right point
2016-11-07T00:56:33 < KreAture_> that is 3 or 4 transfers after the command transfer starts
2016-11-07T00:57:28 < KreAture_> I guess I can do a buisy-poll for the nop and trigger immediately after
2016-11-07T00:57:31 < KreAture_> That could work
2016-11-07T00:57:47 < KreAture_> will be hard at higher sdram clock frequencys though
2016-11-07T00:58:04 < KreAture_> when I run sdram at close to half the mcu main frq it is tight
2016-11-07T00:58:16 < KreAture_> things really have to run on the dma
2016-11-07T00:58:38 < KreAture_> Might be doable simply by staggering the transfer starts
2016-11-07T00:59:02 < KreAture_> will be nasty though as then it is not very dynamic, it has to be edited for every frq you run at
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2016-11-07T01:21:37 < ohsix> KreAture_: is that after the stuff you can do to control CAS?
2016-11-07T01:21:48 < ohsix> i can't remember the other parameter you can change to get the CAS you want
2016-11-07T01:22:26 < KreAture_> you can switch between 2 and 3 clocks for cas
2016-11-07T01:27:08 < Laurenceb_> https://www.amazon.com/DIE-HIPSTER-SCUM-BLACK-SHIRT/dp/B00IPIFL7Q
2016-11-07T01:27:18 < Laurenceb_> status: ordering
2016-11-07T01:27:48 < stvn> tendies
2016-11-07T01:27:57 < ohsix> stvn: are you the bong lord
2016-11-07T01:29:38 < ohsix> KreAture_: does fsmc do sdram command rate control and stuff?
2016-11-07T01:29:50 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/gPl08iU.jpg
2016-11-07T01:29:50 < ohsix> i opened my st doc folder but only remembered much later i was looking for dma stuff huhu
2016-11-07T01:30:00 < KreAture_> ohsix dunno, but the FMC does 
2016-11-07T01:30:08 < KreAture_> the FSMC does NOT support dynamic ram
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2016-11-07T01:30:15 < ohsix> k
2016-11-07T01:30:19 < ohsix> still on 103?
2016-11-07T01:30:25 < KreAture_> I got many
2016-11-07T01:30:29 < ohsix> 8t ...?
2016-11-07T01:30:37 < KreAture_> This will work on all that have no rmc
2016-11-07T01:30:40 < KreAture_> fmc
2016-11-07T01:30:59 < KreAture_> aka if it only has a fsmc this will still work
2016-11-07T01:31:07 < KreAture_> if it has no mc it also works
2016-11-07T01:31:17 < ohsix> i'm trying to figure out what you're doing so ic an see how the 4 dram timing parameters are in play
2016-11-07T01:31:20 < ohsix> cl is just one of them
2016-11-07T01:32:11 < KreAture_> yup
2016-11-07T01:32:21 < KreAture_> there's a sort of pipelining there
2016-11-07T01:32:31 < KreAture_> but it doesn't really matter unless you are after high performance
2016-11-07T01:32:44 < KreAture_> just give the mem a few nops after a precharge and such and you are fine
2016-11-07T01:33:02 < KreAture_> treat it as if all commands require a bit of reaction time
2016-11-07T01:33:09 < KreAture_> you only loose a few cycles anyways
2016-11-07T01:33:20 < KreAture_> both ras and cas can be 2 on this chip i run here
2016-11-07T01:33:36 < KreAture_> I can live with 2 clock cycles lagg between requesting data and getting my 512 bytes
2016-11-07T01:33:53 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqgP16JQ24I unrelated, guy takes some abttery types and measures volume / gravimetric density vs. price and shit
2016-11-07T01:35:45 < KreAture_> ohsix even if you have to get data in chunks of external ram it could be situations where having 8+ Mbyte externally can be usefull
2016-11-07T01:37:10 < KreAture_> hardly likely LeelooMinai 
2016-11-07T01:37:12 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-07T01:37:38 < KreAture_> a link relating to using sdram on non memory controller based stm's is like non existant
2016-11-07T01:37:45 < ohsix> i do that
2016-11-07T01:37:47 < KreAture_> there's a few and I've already posted em LOL
2016-11-07T01:39:03 < ohsix> though, if i was going to describe the video, it is self evident that it is unrelated
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2016-11-07T01:40:43 < stvn> please and thankyou
2016-11-07T01:41:48 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/06e45e4cf8100a18eefecbe62731083a61197e2ed6b68f9997037600617111a8.jpg
2016-11-07T01:41:49 < ohsix> quite
2016-11-07T01:42:03 < ohsix> stvn: http://tosh.cc.com/video-clips/beu2hs/cewebrity-profile---bong-lord
2016-11-07T01:42:22 < stvn> did you like my picture Laurenceb_ 
2016-11-07T01:42:24 < stvn> its pretty rare
2016-11-07T01:43:04 < Laurenceb_> that was quite nsfw
2016-11-07T01:45:05 < jadew> which one?
2016-11-07T01:46:15 < Laurenceb_> stvn
2016-11-07T01:47:08 < Laurenceb_> yup I got trolld
2016-11-07T01:47:14 < jadew> better than what I had a collegue click while he was with his back at everyone
2016-11-07T01:47:15 < stvn> yo
2016-11-07T01:48:04 < ohsix> lo
2016-11-07T01:48:06 < jadew> very NSFW: http://188.25.32.58/stuff/hustler.png
2016-11-07T01:48:06 < ohsix> yolo
2016-11-07T01:48:44 < jadew> he said nobody said anything
2016-11-07T01:48:49 < ohsix> jadew: check out brittany zagoria on google
2016-11-07T01:49:18 < Laurenceb_> top kek https://archive.fo/UJF9x
2016-11-07T01:49:47 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/98ed542bf63aa1c0a9f0863be31c126fa1328064149591cf0444bcfd3bb12fe2.jpg
2016-11-07T01:50:04 < jadew> because of that incident he asked me on a different occasion to give something to him over slack (a youtube video with nudity in it) and I didn't check the channel I posted in and paste it by mistake in #general
2016-11-07T01:50:45 < jadew> luckly in slack you can delete your own messages
2016-11-07T01:51:19 < stvn> how's your back?
2016-11-07T01:51:37 < jadew> mine?
2016-11-07T01:51:45 < stvn> idk
2016-11-07T01:51:57 < stvn> just listening to a phone call and dictating
2016-11-07T01:52:25 < jadew> my back problems are mild enough so far that I don't think I ever mentioned them
2016-11-07T01:52:32 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdI5y3iwhLU
2016-11-07T01:52:40 < stvn> something like a dc something or rather...
2016-11-07T01:52:54 < stvn> why has my workshop turned into a call centre
2016-11-07T01:53:08 < stvn> it's not running on the bloody ahhh actual display
2016-11-07T01:53:33 < stvn> it goes hdmi to your ahhh led box
2016-11-07T01:54:26 < ohsix> psram is expensive, what uses them
2016-11-07T01:55:13 < stvn> give him is password and his doova-lakky
2016-11-07T01:55:32 < Laurenceb_> Active nihilism paves the way for the creation of new values, the overcoming of the self by taking a new relation to oneself as an autonomous creator
2016-11-07T01:55:33 < stvn> i saw exactly what you saw... it's got all the dials and little mixes
2016-11-07T01:56:41 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1677563729/the-spontaneous-pop-up-display-spud/ lol..................... how utterly useless
2016-11-07T01:58:35 < dongs> jadew: do you find this kind of material funny?
2016-11-07T01:58:48 < jadew> dongs, which material?
2016-11-07T01:58:54 < dongs> the 'very nsfw' link
2016-11-07T01:59:14 < dongs> like, i clicked but I have no idea who lauren cohan is, but I do know that she looks ugly as fuck in that pic
2016-11-07T01:59:32 < jadew> sure, it was funny at the time, it's the chick from the walking dead
2016-11-07T01:59:41 < jadew> the guy I was talking with is a big fan
2016-11-07T01:59:44 < dongs> see, i have no idea what that is
2016-11-07T01:59:58 < jadew> tv shows with zombies
2016-11-07T02:00:15 < jadew> first 2 seasons are ok, then it gets repetitive
2016-11-07T02:00:20 < jadew> *show
2016-11-07T02:00:25 < ohsix> he doesn't know what tv is either
2016-11-07T02:00:30 < ohsix> turtles all the way down
2016-11-07T02:01:42 < ohsix> found paper on soft memory errors, sram/psram are on a spectrum and if you need to be resistant to that junk, you get closer to 6t sram
2016-11-07T02:02:26 < ohsix> error rates in large amounts of dram is lul, like, how does a computer without ecc even manage to run for a year at a time
2016-11-07T02:04:06 < dongs> never seen any american TV that didnt get deadly boring after ~12 episodes.
2016-11-07T02:04:49 < jadew> I just found Futurama, I'm at season 6 and it's pretty good
2016-11-07T02:05:34 < jadew> some episodes are skippable, but it's ok overall
2016-11-07T02:05:42 < jadew> what do you watch?
2016-11-07T02:06:23 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/1b7d2c8331b223a4cf3ddafb6a11fd1ded9351052ac6e4ac79e1c4bcffbb4689.jpg
2016-11-07T02:06:28 < Laurenceb_> coincidence?
2016-11-07T02:06:39 < jadew> is that an avatar?
2016-11-07T02:06:47 < ohsix> was 6 after it was cancelled? futurama is like a series of getting too indulgent and not as good over time
2016-11-07T02:07:24 < jadew> ohsix, yeah, I think it is
2016-11-07T02:07:41 < jadew> I'm at the begining of the 6th season so I don't know how good it will be from here on
2016-11-07T02:07:59 < ohsix> i only saw bits of 7 i think
2016-11-07T02:08:08 < ohsix> 2013 wow, haha
2016-11-07T02:08:14 < ohsix> and bobs burgers is on the 7th season
2016-11-07T02:08:28 < ohsix> i remember being super excited for the first episode, that was a long time ago
2016-11-07T02:08:57 < dongs> futurama is that awful american anniemay right. thats a non-starter
2016-11-07T02:09:08 < Laurenceb_> what dongs said
2016-11-07T02:09:36 < jadew> yeah, I thought it sucks too when I first heard about it (in the past) but I gave it a chance and it's not bad
2016-11-07T02:09:58 < ohsix> i'd have to watch it all again, but looking at the episode list, i think it's pretty solid up to s3 and maybe uneven after
2016-11-07T02:10:41 < ohsix> my memory of it is kind of fooked cuz there's a practically autistic amount of futurama watching from my brother and mom
2016-11-07T02:11:39 < ohsix> i missed the futurama premier cuz someone picked me up for tresspassing on a friday
2016-11-07T02:11:47 < ohsix> i wasn't, but that shit isn't resolved until the next monday
2016-11-07T02:11:53 < ohsix> don't do anythin ginteresting on a weekend.
2016-11-07T02:15:25 < upgrdman> any musicians in here? so when you tune an instrument, like a string on a guitar, you're ensuring a note is at the correct frequency. but there could be both an offset and a scaling factor needed. how do you fix both? or do you just accept "close enough" ?
2016-11-07T02:15:50 < upgrdman> like if you get one note perfect, another note might be off a little
2016-11-07T02:16:02 < jadew> upgrdman, you tune on a single note
2016-11-07T02:16:12 < upgrdman> ya
2016-11-07T02:16:19 < upgrdman> and accept that others may be off a little?
2016-11-07T02:16:19 < jadew> and you accept the other ones that come out of that string as they are
2016-11-07T02:16:21 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-07T02:16:23 < upgrdman> k
2016-11-07T02:17:10 < jadew> LeelooMinai, he means the other notes you can get from the same string
2016-11-07T02:17:18 < upgrdman> ya
2016-11-07T02:18:06 < jadew> yeah, and they'll never be perfect :P
2016-11-07T02:18:08 < upgrdman> frets are those |||| lines on the neck, right?
2016-11-07T02:18:14 < jadew> not that tuning is
2016-11-07T02:18:24 < jadew> upgrdman, yeah
2016-11-07T02:18:27 < upgrdman> k
2016-11-07T02:18:48 < jadew> are you learning to play guitar?
2016-11-07T02:19:11 < upgrdman> no. im working on some fourier transform charting, and it pop'd into my head while listing to some music
2016-11-07T02:19:16 < jadew> LeelooMinai, how do they work?
2016-11-07T02:19:29 < upgrdman> *listening
2016-11-07T02:19:44 < wanderman> banjo
2016-11-07T02:19:45 < jadew> LeelooMinai, ah
2016-11-07T02:20:32 < wanderman> LeelooMinai,  look at me ! "ah"
2016-11-07T02:21:39 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003VPVW58/ includes dust
2016-11-07T02:22:06 < jadew> that looks nice
2016-11-07T02:22:17 < jadew> I think I have an ISA sound card too
2016-11-07T02:25:59 < BrainDamage> it's not that simple actually
2016-11-07T02:26:03 < BrainDamage> re: guitar
2016-11-07T02:26:21 < BrainDamage> it's true that frets determine the notes, but there's secondary mechanisms for adjustment
2016-11-07T02:26:52 < BrainDamage> you have 2 degrees of freedom on the mounting point of the string on the body ( the bridge )
2016-11-07T02:27:02 < BrainDamage> that canbe adjusted with hex screws and a screwdriver
2016-11-07T02:27:52 < BrainDamage> so while the length steps are fixed, the notes are not because the neck is curved and you can tilt the string
2016-11-07T02:28:15 < BrainDamage> and yes, you can't get all of them perfect
2016-11-07T02:28:30 < BrainDamage> but a proper tuning will give a best compromise overall
2016-11-07T02:29:00 < BrainDamage> what's more interesting howrever is the multiples
2016-11-07T02:29:16 < BrainDamage> there's a problem when your tuning spans over multiple octaves
2016-11-07T02:29:26 < BrainDamage> the frets AND the neck are curved
2016-11-07T02:29:46 < aandrew> dongs: that dust is vintage
2016-11-07T02:29:53 < aandrew> adds 1.25x multiplier to price
2016-11-07T02:30:01 < dongs> RARE L@@K
2016-11-07T02:30:04 < dongs> yeah
2016-11-07T02:30:40 < BrainDamage> they don't have to be, yet they are in most cases
2016-11-07T02:30:51 < BrainDamage> exactly for the reason i mentioned
2016-11-07T02:30:59 < dongs> i sense autism
2016-11-07T02:31:06 < dongs> who's the guitar expert, leelooman or o6
2016-11-07T02:31:36 < BrainDamage> 1st
2016-11-07T02:35:08 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: there's actually a mathematical problem with harmonics and long span tuning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hqm0dYKUx4 and it makes tuning a piano utter shit
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2016-11-07T02:36:02 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/4bb9d89d86d345e9457dcbef9965f5aab84d414b6b2315a02fb8b0a642393cc9.jpg
2016-11-07T02:36:31 < aandrew> I guess you had to be there
2016-11-07T02:36:53 < zyp> upgrdman, simple answer: both the tension and the length of the string can be tuned, tuning the tension gives a multiple across all frets, tuning the length adjusts the amount of string each fret represents, which I guess you can call offset
2016-11-07T02:36:55 < dongs> Laurenceb_: any funny links
2016-11-07T02:38:55 < zyp> upgrdman, https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3fc9cb59fd8c42ef3c90c15c80485f11-c?convert_to_webp=true <- here's how length is tuned
2016-11-07T02:39:36 < Laurenceb_> dongs: I found you on slashdot  https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9852833&cid=53225107
2016-11-07T02:40:40 < BrainDamage> zyp: offset howrever it's not constan
2016-11-07T02:40:56 < upgrdman> zyp, thx
2016-11-07T02:41:18 < zyp> BrainDamage, in what sense?
2016-11-07T02:41:30 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, so why not just tune a piano with a func gen and get each key correct to within ~1Hz or someshit?
2016-11-07T02:41:46 < upgrdman> that too much effort with little benefit?
2016-11-07T02:41:58 < upgrdman> s/func gen/spec an
2016-11-07T02:42:55 < BrainDamage> zyp: in the sense that the string height of th bridge and fret slant affect the scale ( vs a straight distance that'd be in a simple 1d model )
2016-11-07T02:42:56 < dongs> http://www.ronybc.com/ak4531-es1370.php pro audio hacking
2016-11-07T02:43:56 < BrainDamage> zyp: which is why a "proper" tuning needs bridge adjustment checking over multiple natural harmonics
2016-11-07T02:44:06 < zyp> BrainDamage, ah, of course
2016-11-07T02:45:22 < zyp> BrainDamage, that's why I said it was a simplification
2016-11-07T02:45:35 < zyp> point still stands, you've just got even more dimensions to consider
2016-11-07T02:45:46 < BrainDamage> yup
2016-11-07T02:48:03 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: historically it wasn't available, and there was a bit of reticence in adapting
2016-11-07T02:48:42 < BrainDamage> upgrdman: moreover, tuning for instrumens is generally done over a single source
2016-11-07T02:48:56 < Laurenceb_> stm32 autotuner
2016-11-07T02:49:01 < Laurenceb_> kickstarter here i come
2016-11-07T02:49:07 < BrainDamage> so that all errors are scaled to that
2016-11-07T02:49:57 < BrainDamage> you could make a servocontrolled guitar/piano that always adjusts pitch continously as the string stresses :p
2016-11-07T02:50:33 < ohsix> to hear the dac better eh
2016-11-07T02:50:36 < zyp> I kinda should have known more about guitars than I do, my dad is really into guitars
2016-11-07T02:50:55 < upgrdman> fret slant == angle between strings and neck?
2016-11-07T02:51:09 < zyp> he's doing guitar service/restoration as his main hobby and own a ton of those
2016-11-07T02:51:15 < zyp> and I can't even play one :p
2016-11-07T02:51:22 < ohsix> that link dongs posted is funny
2016-11-07T02:52:11 < ohsix> The next remaining thing to replace are those two SMD ceramic coupling capacitors in the signal path between AK4531 and the opamp http://www.ronybc.com/img/soundcard-mod-0.47uF.jpg
2016-11-07T02:52:41 < Laurenceb_> no volume control by software and unable to hear other sources like mic, line-in, audiocd..etc. I don't want neither of them.
2016-11-07T02:52:43 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-11-07T02:53:24 < ohsix> i bought a pie for dinner, breakfast, lunch, and that following dinner
2016-11-07T02:53:26 < ohsix> :<
2016-11-07T02:53:45 < BrainDamage> my guitar is in a horrible state, i always procrastinate fixing the shielding, so it sounds like a cheap am radio with sufficient gain
2016-11-07T02:53:52 < BrainDamage> as in i literally receive am radio stations
2016-11-07T02:54:01 < ohsix> what kind of guitar is it BrainDamage?
2016-11-07T02:54:29 < BrainDamage> old fender strato, older than me
2016-11-07T02:54:31 < ohsix> i only found out what a 'hum bucker' really is after a recent mr carlsons lab video olol, people said it stopped hum but i had no idea how
2016-11-07T02:54:33 < BrainDamage> i got it sed
2016-11-07T02:54:34 < ohsix> nice!
2016-11-07T02:54:40 < BrainDamage> used+
2016-11-07T02:54:48 < ohsix> have all the original knobs and stuff?
2016-11-07T02:55:08 < BrainDamage> yes but i don't give a shit about the collectible value
2016-11-07T02:55:32 < jadew> BrainDamage, it's probably the cable
2016-11-07T02:55:44 < jadew> I heard that story from my guitar teacher
2016-11-07T02:55:49 < ohsix> sure, but it has value :> if you don't end up fixing it, you can fix it to sell it and maybe get another if you end up playing guitar some more
2016-11-07T02:55:59 < jadew> they were picking up a radio satation regularly
2016-11-07T02:56:03 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/96gC6.JPG http://bin.jvnv.net/f/gCn1U.JPG <- here's a couple of pics I took in my parents' basement a couple of years ago, I think there's even more guitars there now
2016-11-07T02:56:33 < jadew> hah
2016-11-07T02:56:41 < ohsix> they've got beep boop papers
2016-11-07T02:56:46 < jadew> I take it you know how to play the guitar?
2016-11-07T02:56:53 < zyp> 01:51:15 < zyp> and I can't even play one :p
2016-11-07T02:56:56 < ohsix> that bass on the left is kewl
2016-11-07T02:57:02 < jadew> haha, missed that
2016-11-07T02:57:21 < zyp> somehow I never got around to learning it as a kid
2016-11-07T02:57:52 < jadew> I have two guitars, took lessons for 2 years and still can't play
2016-11-07T02:58:45 < ohsix> you gotta commit to be good at music junk :<
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2016-11-07T02:59:06 < zyp> yeah, I committed to being good at computer junk instead
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2016-11-07T02:59:33 < ohsix> huhu
2016-11-07T02:59:55 < ohsix> yea i guess i did too, i think of being a generalist but computer crap is whatever, normal people don't know shit
2016-11-07T02:59:57 < jadew> I still pick it up and try to play, but I make sure my wife doesn't hear me, she hates it, cuz I suck
2016-11-07T03:00:07 < jadew> and I know that because she told me
2016-11-07T03:00:26 < jadew> "you keep playing the same sounds"
2016-11-07T03:00:31 < zyp> haha
2016-11-07T03:00:33 < jadew> "it gets old"
2016-11-07T03:00:33 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt-RoSzsEKA
2016-11-07T03:00:37 < zyp> my mom says the same thing
2016-11-07T03:01:11 < BrainDamage> even on a clean channel it still sounds like shit https://www.dropbox.com/s/jci2xuf86ju75cv/4.ogg?dl=0
2016-11-07T03:01:52 < ohsix> i wonder if it isn't easier to play an instrument when you can write music
2016-11-07T03:02:00 < BrainDamage> the popping sound is when i touch the strings due to lack of shielding, i inject static
2016-11-07T03:02:06 < ohsix> trying to play ane xisting piece seems like decent practice, but working backwards
2016-11-07T03:02:40 < jadew> BrainDamage, nice
2016-11-07T03:03:08 < ohsix> your brain would already be 'ahead' of the game on chord progression and shit instead of just trying to memorize something that's a little alien
2016-11-07T03:03:26 < BrainDamage> it's misirlou from dick dale, and yes, pulp fiction used it
2016-11-07T03:04:50 < dongs> OGG??????????????????????????????????????????????
2016-11-07T03:05:14 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toLyXi2v2Fk different video but in the 1080pz
2016-11-07T03:05:57 < BrainDamage> [triggered]
2016-11-07T03:07:13 < stvn> back in college they used to call me two can sam
2016-11-07T03:07:22 < stvn> cause i could stack two coke cans on top of my dick
2016-11-07T03:07:27 < ohsix> it's live and he's got his guitar mixed so you can hear it
2016-11-07T03:08:07 < ohsix> stvn: that's pretty good
2016-11-07T03:08:29 < ohsix> 'two can sam'
2016-11-07T03:09:01 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O46v33hpx4Q
2016-11-07T03:09:21 < ohsix> he does a little improv too
2016-11-07T03:09:31 < ohsix> or just shit you throw in when you're live
2016-11-07T03:10:05 < ohsix> BrainDamage: what's the thing called at the bottom of the guitar that lets you adjust the string length?
2016-11-07T03:10:28 < ohsix> seems that with the neck tuning and that thing you could tune it with the problems upgrdman was thinking of in mind
2016-11-07T03:11:17 < ohsix> nah it's lower down
2016-11-07T03:11:27 < ohsix> oh, that's also a bridge?
2016-11-07T03:11:39 < jadew> this is the best I could do when it comes to music: http://188.25.32.58/stuff/asdf.mp3
2016-11-07T03:11:42 < ohsix> guess i'm thinking of acoustic guitars or cellos or some shit with the standoff thing
2016-11-07T03:12:06 < jadew> it's fail, but I don't think I'll top that
2016-11-07T03:12:22 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: you should check out what steely dan did, they were crazy about getting studio takes perfect
2016-11-07T03:12:42 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: like, before recorded music every performance was different, prog rock and 'perfect' recordings and stuff are relatively new
2016-11-07T03:12:44 < dongs> at least its not a fucking ogg
2016-11-07T03:12:51 < jadew> lol dongs
2016-11-07T03:13:39 < ohsix> ask him about linux
2016-11-07T03:13:49 < upgrdman> i think i still have some oggs and a bunch of flacs
2016-11-07T03:14:06 < ohsix> jadew: that's more than i could do
2016-11-07T03:14:18 < ohsix> ... you have more keys on your keyboard than me ;]
2016-11-07T03:14:55 < jadew> ohsix, I don't remember exactly, but I think I cheated using the PC on that one, don't really know how much tho
2016-11-07T03:15:09 < jadew> I just remember I spent like... half a day on it
2016-11-07T03:15:15 < ohsix> My dad said if I learn cafo or tempting times on guitar he will give me 1,000 bucks no joke and I'm only 8 Ears old!
2016-11-07T03:15:28 < ohsix> jadew: not bad
2016-11-07T03:15:47 < ohsix> i was just going to say better than i could do but then i heard >25 keys
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2016-11-07T03:16:27 < ohsix> i got my optoisolators to make midi instruments, but the cables weren't wired right, gg ebay
2016-11-07T03:16:49 < BrainDamage> ohsix: i only know the italian name which is too generic to translate, the whole assembly is called the bridge, and each element is called literally translated a clef,but i doubt that'd be the english name too
2016-11-07T03:17:07 < BrainDamage> and the adjusting screws are called directly translated "the mechanics"
2016-11-07T03:17:11 < ohsix> BrainDamage: yea good enough, i just thought it wasn't the bridge -> didn't know
2016-11-07T03:17:37 < ohsix> but withotu just a block to put the strings in you can tune and set the offset for the frets a little
2016-11-07T03:19:17 < jadew> ohsix, why does it have to be optoisolated?
2016-11-07T03:19:39 < BrainDamage> found Laurenceb's home: >Cuckmere Haven, Sussex
2016-11-07T03:20:23 < dongs> arent they all eclipse shit
2016-11-07T03:20:37 < dongs> why the fuck d o you keep changing IDEs do you think thats somehow gonna solve the fact that you write shitty code?
2016-11-07T03:20:39 < jadew> AC6 is VS
2016-11-07T03:20:47 < jadew> wait
2016-11-07T03:20:50 < ohsix> jadew: it's current loop, and it's just specified, dunno; some old instruments doing old shit i guess, you can get by without it
2016-11-07T03:20:50 < dongs> no its not
2016-11-07T03:20:55 < zyp> dongs, hahaha
2016-11-07T03:21:02 < jadew> what is AC6?
2016-11-07T03:21:12 < dongs> then why do you fucking care what IDE it is
2016-11-07T03:21:22 < dongs> if it lets you do basic shit like debugging asnd code editing what else do you want
2016-11-07T03:21:25 < dongs> bullshit
2016-11-07T03:21:30 < dongs> "including shit in it"?
2016-11-07T03:21:30 < dongs> wat?
2016-11-07T03:21:34 < dongs> like #include <shit.h>?
2016-11-07T03:21:40 < jadew> LeelooMinai, thanks
2016-11-07T03:22:09 < dongs> jadew: lol, did leelooman just stroke your cock by saying your .mp3 was listenable?
2016-11-07T03:22:17 < dongs> R2COM: ...
2016-11-07T03:22:22 < jadew> dongs, no, she told me what AC6 was lol
2016-11-07T03:22:25 < dongs> k
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2016-11-07T03:23:30 < jadew> I wonder why they didn't license VisualGDB
2016-11-07T03:23:33 < dongs> R2COM: start by disabling any external/auto includes, copy hal/stdperiph/cmsis stuff into project folder, add explicit include paths to that, etc.
2016-11-07T03:23:43 < jadew> then they could have had a product like Atmel does
2016-11-07T03:23:50 < jadew> not as great, but closer
2016-11-07T03:23:50 < dongs> also like.. this is basic computing stuff dude.
2016-11-07T03:23:57 < dongs> if youre having trouble there, i can see why you're a fan of orcad
2016-11-07T03:24:52 < dongs> well thats beacuse it wasnt using eclipse
2016-11-07T03:25:04 < dongs> but you cant have eclipse + good ide
2016-11-07T03:25:11 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/SZPjHwz.jpg
2016-11-07T03:25:25 < dongs> haha
2016-11-07T03:25:59 < jadew> I'm gonna use that at work
2016-11-07T03:26:04 < zyp> BrainDamage, haha, reminds me of something I saw the other day
2016-11-07T03:26:14 < zyp> https://github.com/drathier/stack-overflow-import
2016-11-07T03:26:37 < dongs> python 100%
2016-11-07T03:27:03 < jadew> haha zyp
2016-11-07T03:28:18 < dongs> also donno about hal, but stdperiphlib needs shit liek #define USE_STDPERIPHLIB or something or else tehre's a million compile errors due to undefined stuff
2016-11-07T03:28:32 < dongs> in the main stm32fxxx.h header
2016-11-07T03:28:51 < dongs> see if the IO_WHATEVER stuff youre missing is inside some #ifdef shit and define it as needed
2016-11-07T03:29:03 < dongs> never used a proc that only had hal available.
2016-11-07T03:29:47 < dongs> who gives a fuck if it works
2016-11-07T03:30:17 < dongs> < dongs> never used a proc that only had hal available.
2016-11-07T03:32:46 < KreAture> dongs I just wish there was a smooth way to pick up modern cube stuff in EmBitz
2016-11-07T03:33:24 < KreAture> yes
2016-11-07T03:33:44 < KreAture> not yet
2016-11-07T03:33:56 < KreAture> all you need to see them in a f7 would be a def file I think
2016-11-07T03:34:07 < KreAture> lemme see if it is in the repo
2016-11-07T03:34:11 < dongs> svd, hopefully
2016-11-07T03:34:44 < zyp> hmm, I wonder if anybody made a svd viewer plugin for plain gdb yet
2016-11-07T03:34:55 < dongs> you'd think so
2016-11-07T03:35:00 < dongs> how its a standard and shit
2016-11-07T03:35:11 < dongs> but gnuturds are probably too busy worrying about something irrelevanty
2016-11-07T03:35:14 < zyp> ah, youp
2016-11-07T03:35:15 < zyp> https://github.com/bnahill/PyCortexMDebug/blob/master/README.md
2016-11-07T03:35:19 < dongs> > py
2016-11-07T03:35:22 < KreAture> seems like the svd repo has stm32f7x in it
2016-11-07T03:35:35 < zyp> dongs, of course, that's the easiest way to script gdb
2016-11-07T03:35:42 < dongs> i bet
2016-11-07T03:36:35 < KreAture> unless there's a load of diff f7 then f7x is it
2016-11-07T03:37:20 < zyp> dongs, my rblog gdb plugin is also python
2016-11-07T03:37:41 < dongs> ive never seen any professional ide scriptable wiht python
2016-11-07T03:37:58 < dongs> so..
2016-11-07T03:40:40 < zyp> what are they scriptable in then? tcl? :p
2016-11-07T03:41:03 < dongs> they're not, which means such scripting is unacceptable in professional environment
2016-11-07T03:41:12 < dongs> vstudio can be extended with bits written in C
2016-11-07T03:41:22 < dongs> (vs extensions or whateveR). that's acceptable.
2016-11-07T03:41:34 < zyp> idk, the fpga tools I've seen seems to make heavy use of tcl
2016-11-07T03:42:03 < dongs> thats the "free as in aids" mentality. samae thing as people using lunix kernel for things wehre they shouldnt be
2016-11-07T03:42:13 < dongs> its free, no license needed, lets use it evne if it sucks a huge cock
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2016-11-07T03:43:56 < zyp> idk about IDEs, but I'm pretty sure I saw some python scripting stuff for IDA once, and I'm pretty sure that qualifies as a professional tool just by the price tag
2016-11-07T03:44:08 < zyp> but eh, whatever
2016-11-07T03:44:11 < dongs> i NEVER install python support in ida
2016-11-07T03:44:18 < dongs> also, python there is a afterthought addon
2016-11-07T03:44:30 < dongs> processor modules are all in C
2016-11-07T03:44:41 < zyp> it's not like you can't add gdb functionality in C if you want
2016-11-07T03:44:49 < dongs> but nobody does
2016-11-07T03:45:01 < dongs> becauyse low-effort copypaste garbage like python is there
2016-11-07T03:45:01 < Laurenceb_> https://games.slashdot.org/story/16/11/07/0111206/microsoft-promises-to-defend-world-chess-champion-from-russian-hackers
2016-11-07T03:45:05 < zyp> of course not, python is much faster to get shit done with
2016-11-07T03:45:10 < Laurenceb_> its the russian hackers
2016-11-07T03:45:47 < zyp> I use python because I want to get shit done, not because I want to be cool
2016-11-07T03:46:22 < jadew> when I compile boost, I always remember to pass --without-python
2016-11-07T03:46:38 < Laurenceb_> --without-russian-hackers
2016-11-07T03:46:46 < zyp> haha
2016-11-07T03:46:56 < zyp> I actually used boost.python once
2016-11-07T03:48:13 < zyp> kinda cute, but if you need to make python bindings, might as well just use ctypes nowadays
2016-11-07T03:48:38 < ohsix> fudge
2016-11-07T03:48:57 < jadew> zyp, is it just for exposing C++ code to python or can it also run python scripts?
2016-11-07T03:49:30 < zyp> I think you can do both
2016-11-07T03:49:36 < ohsix> google calendar shit just started adding things in emails to calendar by default, you have to go turn it off again. i get garbage email from people using my name all the fackin' time and it's going to create a lot of work for me were i to leave it enabled :< the one i got the notice on was about a hotel stay on the 2nd and it went right in
2016-11-07T03:50:11 < jadew> zyp, yeah, looks like it can: http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_62_0/libs/python/doc/html/tutorial/tutorial/embedding.html#tutorial.embedding.using_the_interpreter
2016-11-07T03:51:17 < upgrdman> anyone know of a neat way to visualize statistical information like min/max/current/mean/stdDev ? for min/max/current i'm tempted to try a dial-like thing with the current value at the top-center, with mix and max fall away from center.
2016-11-07T03:51:23 < ohsix> nice 17:26 < zyp> https://github.com/drathier/stack-overflow-import
2016-11-07T03:51:57 < ohsix> zyp: there's more than one svd-gdb things too :D
2016-11-07T03:52:18 < zyp> ohsix, yeah, I just went with the first hit on google
2016-11-07T03:52:23 < ohsix> ++
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2016-11-07T03:52:50 < ohsix> supposedly, hypothetically, all the hal/cmsis code could be generated from the svd and some ip templates
2016-11-07T03:53:14 < ohsix> from the results of the st cmsis thing, i don't think that's whats happening, but it could be done! :D
2016-11-07T03:53:34 < jadew> LeelooMinai, it has STDs
2016-11-07T03:53:47 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, not bad, but im looking for more of a visualization, not just tabular text
2016-11-07T03:53:49 < zyp> ohsix, idk, judging by the svd files I've seen, I bet the results would be awful
2016-11-07T03:53:53 < ohsix> there are so many arm parts, stuff like the svd and other metafiles from the vendor making them work with $tools is neat
2016-11-07T03:54:10 < jadew> LeelooMinai, did that help you find edge cases?
2016-11-07T03:54:15 < ohsix> zyp: yea if they treat the svd as another deliverable and not the root of it all
2016-11-07T03:54:33 < zyp> svd files are full of mess and inconsistent formatting
2016-11-07T03:55:02 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-07T03:55:03 < zyp> bunch of shit that ought to be grouped in a hierarchy is not
2016-11-07T03:55:15 < zyp> so you'll probably end up with a flat list of register names
2016-11-07T03:55:17 < ohsix> there isnt' enough actually specified
2016-11-07T03:55:19 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-07T03:55:35 < zyp> a struct per periph type with an instance per periph is much nicer to work with
2016-11-07T03:55:36 < ohsix> i dunno if thats' spec fail or vendor fail, it's been a while since i read the proposed cmsis stuff, too
2016-11-07T03:56:01 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I'm not talking about the schema, but register hierarchy
2016-11-07T03:56:39 < ohsix> presumably if people agreed on what parts would be stuck into a structure and if the ip could be identified by base address, you could generate the structures generally
2016-11-07T03:56:41 < zyp> I'm sorry, english is not my native language
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2016-11-07T03:56:53 < ohsix> the stuff in ST's cmsis, the actual code, makes a lot of sense
2016-11-07T03:56:55 < zyp> I probably worded that badly
2016-11-07T03:57:39 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I was thinking about inconsistent formatting of register names
2016-11-07T03:58:09 < zyp> why not? aren't you making your own for your lib?
2016-11-07T03:59:27 < ohsix> i dunno what they could even be that was morebetter but still not an rtos or some whole thing
2016-11-07T03:59:30 < zyp> eh, I thought you even had that template stuff to define bits and shit
2016-11-07T03:59:44 < zyp> which is more than I've got
2016-11-07T04:00:42 < zyp> I just declare a struct for each register block, see for instance GPIO_reg_t: http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/gpio/gpio.h
2016-11-07T04:01:14 < zyp> and then each GPIO_t object is instanced with the base addr of the block, ref. bottom of that file
2016-11-07T04:01:24 < ohsix> heh hm, svd might actually be a use-case for xml in general. it is there in a format you can't directly use, but you'd transform it and look at the result and fix errors on case by case basis until you've arrived at something that can ingest some awful xml and do exactly what you want
2016-11-07T04:01:45 < ohsix> people hate xml, i'm indifferent, but xsl is neat
2016-11-07T04:02:12 < ohsix> yes it is
2016-11-07T04:02:14 < zyp> making a _reg_t for a register block takes a few minutes and I only have to do it once first time I'm using a new periph
2016-11-07T04:02:27 < ohsix> but you can transform an input to an output with some rules (massive oversimplification)
2016-11-07T04:02:51 < zyp> so IMO it's well worth to do it myself rather than draw in shitty third party deps for something that simple
2016-11-07T04:02:53 < ohsix> instead of just accepting the input format which might be loosely specified or not close enough to what you're doing, you can transform it
2016-11-07T04:03:25 < ohsix> the alternative is a hueg waste of hypothetical time, shrug
2016-11-07T04:03:44 < dongs> nothign wrong with stm32fxxx.h header bro
2016-11-07T04:03:47 < ohsix> zyp: not bad
2016-11-07T04:03:47 < zyp> more complex stuff like usb periphs with multiple and some repeating blocks get multiple structs: http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/usb/dwc_otg_def.h
2016-11-07T04:03:52 < dongs> you sound like those libopencm3 dudes
2016-11-07T04:03:59 < dongs> who renamed every Stm32 register
2016-11-07T04:04:00 < dongs> just because
2016-11-07T04:04:08 < dongs> AND renamed all interrupt vector naems
2016-11-07T04:04:09 < dongs> also just beacuse
2016-11-07T04:04:21 < zyp> that all gets grouped up in a single DWC_OTG_t that's instanced with base addr
2016-11-07T04:04:42 < ohsix> zyp: this seems like something you might write because you're sick of xrefing register bits and their names
2016-11-07T04:05:02 < ohsix> and you can jsut do it as needed
2016-11-07T04:05:23 < zyp> dongs, as far as I've seen, they don't do either
2016-11-07T04:05:39 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: the internet is pretty complex, yet jquery exists and all that infrastructure to style and transform it
2016-11-07T04:05:52 < ohsix> millions of people are doing that and not working with xml
2016-11-07T04:06:05 < zyp> ohsix, haha, don't get people started on javascript
2016-11-07T04:06:15 < ohsix> :c
2016-11-07T04:06:41 < ohsix> i don't feel strongly about much of anything anymore, captain bland here
2016-11-07T04:06:56 < zyp> there's arguably some pretty nice shit in javascript nowadays, but it's all built up on such a massive fucking pile of shit
2016-11-07T04:07:02 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: it doesn't, it's just more formalized, there are tons of people doing less formal things and having a fine time
2016-11-07T04:07:36 < ohsix> zyp: yea but arguably that's also what makes js awesome, or similar languages where you can introduce things that are like new language features
2016-11-07T04:07:50 < zyp> I made some shit with angular2 a while ago, it's pretty nice to work with
2016-11-07T04:08:07 < ohsix> tcl has the 'unknown' keyword, you can use it to do DSLs and stuff, it's dumb but i always thought those were cool language features
2016-11-07T04:08:18 < zyp> but it draws in like 188 megs of deps
2016-11-07T04:08:32 < ohsix> crazy
2016-11-07T04:08:34 < zyp> across 611 packages
2016-11-07T04:08:38 < ohsix> npm something something?
2016-11-07T04:08:43 < ohsix> i haven't got into that stuff yet
2016-11-07T04:08:51 < zyp> npm manages deps, yes
2016-11-07T04:09:22 < ohsix> node package management stuff is really silly, go to some extent too; that story about the guy removing that tiny utility library everyone used from node
2016-11-07T04:09:50 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: nah it's like calling [poop x y z] when poop isn't a proc, unknown is called instead with "poop" x y z
2016-11-07T04:09:55 < zyp> ohsix, that's what I mean
2016-11-07T04:10:06 < zyp> there's so much silly shit in there
2016-11-07T04:10:13 < ohsix> werd
2016-11-07T04:11:05 < zyp> some of it is pretty convenient though
2016-11-07T04:11:45 < zyp> I made a webstore, needed a country list for a country picker dropdown, so I just imported a package for that
2016-11-07T04:12:00 < dongs> lol.
2016-11-07T04:12:18 < dongs> then the creator of that package throws a shitfit
2016-11-07T04:12:21 < ohsix> hm ti's documentation names are super predictable, i wonder if anyone has downloaded them all
2016-11-07T04:12:24 < dongs> and replaces all countries with north korea
2016-11-07T04:12:45 < dongs> and millions of shitty webshops all over stop working
2016-11-07T04:12:51 < zyp> dongs, well, there were at least five country list packets to choose from :p
2016-11-07T04:13:04 < dongs> kinda like lunix
2016-11-07T04:13:05 < zyp> I figure I'd find a replacement if that happened :p
2016-11-07T04:13:15 < ohsix> everything is shit amirite
2016-11-07T04:13:36 < ohsix> it's kind of neat to see how things move on, still ignoring security and other shit people think are 'very important'
2016-11-07T04:13:55 < ohsix> it's almost like the people doing stuff are indifferent and the security people are just making their own job market
2016-11-07T04:14:05 < zyp> doesn't matter, it's not like the deps are used until I recompile shit
2016-11-07T04:14:08 < ohsix> it only hypothetically matters
2016-11-07T04:14:16 < zyp> I mean, it's 2016, javascript is compiled nowadays
2016-11-07T04:14:17 < upgrdman> anyone know what kind of bug this was? termite maybe?  http://farrellf.com/temp/bug.jpg
2016-11-07T04:14:19 < ohsix> whereas actually getting shit done really matters
2016-11-07T04:14:42 < ohsix> upgrdman: looks like it, but i also don't know
2016-11-07T04:15:05 < dongs> im gonna go with some kinda mite/tick
2016-11-07T04:15:09 < ohsix> http://jimstonefreelance.com/photos/female%20termite.jpg
2016-11-07T04:15:13 < jadew> the problem is that most people getting shit done are doing it wrong, which in turn creates a momentum and a demand for shitty stuff
2016-11-07T04:15:16 < zyp> this javascript transformation shit has gone so far that they've even made some sort of debug symbols (map files) so that when you're running code in a debugger, you can find back to the original source
2016-11-07T04:15:27 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwn9TZBUcAAFTW7.jpg:large found ohsix on twitter
2016-11-07T04:15:36 < ohsix> upgrdman: the worrying part is having food from little ceasers
2016-11-07T04:15:55 < dongs> jadew: yep, precisely why shit scripting languages should die
2016-11-07T04:16:04 < ohsix> i want to sell shitty stuff
2016-11-07T04:16:06 < dongs> low-quality garbage flooding everywhere
2016-11-07T04:16:08 < ohsix> great stuff is expensive
2016-11-07T04:16:25 < ohsix> isn't this good for someone making good things? 18:16 < dongs> low-quality garbage flooding everywhere
2016-11-07T04:16:33 < dongs> if peoplehad to think before writing code
2016-11-07T04:16:36 < ohsix> like, they set the market that makes good distinct from garbage
2016-11-07T04:16:42 < dongs> and not think "hmm which shitty package should I import to do X"
2016-11-07T04:16:51 < upgrdman> ohsix, little ceasers is fucking delicious **when fresh**
2016-11-07T04:19:22 < jadew> ohsix, it corners them into a situation in which they have to either swallow the bullshit or turn their backs on their jobs
2016-11-07T04:19:30 < jadew> (pretty much what happened to me)
2016-11-07T04:19:58 < jadew> I think most of the industry is currently being ran on hype based technologies
2016-11-07T04:20:02 < ohsix> upgrdman: lul don't disagree but it's basically hot cheese and oil :D
2016-11-07T04:20:26 < ohsix> jadew: it's good as long as you can make a business of it
2016-11-07T04:20:34 < ohsix> be agile, do something neat, get out
2016-11-07T04:20:38 < ohsix> not everyone is DOW or GE
2016-11-07T04:20:44 < ohsix> bbl pie
2016-11-07T04:20:51 < jadew> enjoy
2016-11-07T04:20:55 < jadew> I should eat something too
2016-11-07T04:21:10 < upgrdman> ohsix, and bread! ;)
2016-11-07T04:21:18 < jadew> in fact I should work on what I was doing, reading all the stuff here kept me from being productive
2016-11-07T04:23:05 < jadew> I'm rewriting my XML parser for the 3rd time, this time I think it's future proof
2016-11-07T04:23:21 < dongs> < jadew> in fact I should work on what I was doing, reading all the stuff here kept me from being productive
2016-11-07T04:23:29 < dongs> my productivity tripled after ignoring o6, just dyi
2016-11-07T04:23:35 < dongs> err, just fyi
2016-11-07T04:24:06 < jadew> well, it's not like he was the only one talking :)
2016-11-07T04:24:23 < dongs> theres one more person who keeps you busy doing nothing
2016-11-07T04:24:25 < dongs> you know that one too ^_^
2016-11-07T04:24:45 < zyp> aren't we all keeping each other busy here?
2016-11-07T04:28:45 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, how productive have you been recently?
2016-11-07T04:29:40 < upgrdman> <LeelooMinai> Why does it matter - I do not autism about productivity on IRC:)
2016-11-07T04:29:45 < upgrdman> <LeelooMinai> I thinks dongs productivity would go up at least 100% if he stopped hating people on IRC.
2016-11-07T04:29:56 < upgrdman> leeloo you just autismed about it
2016-11-07T04:29:57 < dongs> cool retweet, bro
2016-11-07T04:30:00 < dongs> yeah really
2016-11-07T04:31:04 < dongs> time to paste and dicknplace some boards
2016-11-07T04:31:07 < dongs> and get paid
2016-11-07T04:39:27 < ohsix> jadew: what flavor parser?
2016-11-07T04:39:41 < jadew> ohsix, what do you mean?
2016-11-07T04:39:45 < ohsix> sax or dom
2016-11-07T04:39:55 < jadew> dom
2016-11-07T04:40:21 < ohsix> nice, wat kind of data model junk do you want to do with it after you load it
2016-11-07T04:40:35 < ohsix> zyp: yes, being interesting is keeping me from doing shit too :D
2016-11-07T04:40:41 < ohsix> except pie, i disconnected for pie
2016-11-07T04:41:37 < jadew> ohsix, I normally use a reader and a writer that have to be specialized by whichever class is consuming them
2016-11-07T04:42:10 < jadew> but now I just need to lead a whole thing and then extract data as I need it, for quick processing
2016-11-07T04:42:15 < jadew> *load
2016-11-07T04:43:41 < jadew> the reason I needed this was just to convert something form XML to something else
2016-11-07T04:47:00 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/sigfig/status/795432285461876737
2016-11-07T04:47:17 < ohsix> jadew: o, xsl won't do it? or sucks
2016-11-07T04:47:33 < jadew> ohsix, just read the SAX entry on wiki cuz I wasn't sure on it
2016-11-07T04:47:44 < jadew> my reader/writers are SAX
2016-11-07T04:47:51 < jadew> what I'm building now is DOM on top of it
2016-11-07T04:48:13 < jadew> simply because SAX needs extra specialization - sorry, didn't know that's how it's called
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2016-11-07T04:48:51 < jadew> ohsix, I never got the hang of XSL
2016-11-07T04:49:00 < jadew> I did something with it once and that's it
2016-11-07T04:49:33 < jadew> doesn't seem worth re-learning every time
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2016-11-07T04:59:17 < ohsix> jadew: oh no worries, knowing there are flavors of parsers is about the extent of my practical knowledge
2016-11-07T04:59:43 < ohsix> i haven't had anything i need to load or transform that i couldn't somehow get in a different format
2016-11-07T05:00:47 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/r4zc8styh3wx.gif
2016-11-07T05:03:58 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/a/dPtmb
2016-11-07T05:04:10 < ohsix> hahaha
2016-11-07T05:04:15 < ohsix> @ gif
2016-11-07T05:04:46 < ohsix> i was like 'this wouldn't be on the internet if he doesn't eat it', then i waited
2016-11-07T05:05:02 < jadew> I thought it would spit it out
2016-11-07T05:06:55 < jadew> the long version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnYNmGMsU18
2016-11-07T05:09:19 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/chkconfig/status/795394874933583872
2016-11-07T05:10:12 < ohsix> jadew: i wonder if the peep noises were added
2016-11-07T05:10:49 < jadew> they sound genuine
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2016-11-07T05:22:35 < dongs> < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/r4zc8styh3wx.gif
2016-11-07T05:22:39 < dongs> > linkint to an actual gif
2016-11-07T05:22:41 < dongs> fuck man
2016-11-07T05:22:42 < dongs> 2016
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2016-11-07T05:23:01 < upgrdman> dongs, not my vid
2016-11-07T05:23:29 < dongs> 19 megs gif
2016-11-07T05:23:33 < dongs> i'm on metered japanese internet, bro
2016-11-07T05:24:05 < dongs> american animu
2016-11-07T05:26:33 < aandrew> that gif is pretty awesome
2016-11-07T05:27:02 < dongs> http://gfycat.com/MenacingFrankAmericancreamdraft gfy is like 400k
2016-11-07T05:28:13 < upgrdman> dongs, youre metered? sat link?
2016-11-07T05:30:16 < upgrdman> R2COM, link to screenshits?
2016-11-07T05:30:33 < dongs> lol star citizen
2016-11-07T05:30:39 < dongs> R2COM: did you fucking buy that sthit.
2016-11-07T05:30:56 < dongs> starcitizen is multi-year kickstarter failure in the making
2016-11-07T05:31:06 < dongs> that will never ship/deliver anything useful
2016-11-07T05:31:13 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/UZu1n3A.jpg          pakistan is "greatest" at... gay porn. lol.
2016-11-07T05:33:00 < jadew> upgrdman, Romania is not on that list
2016-11-07T05:33:34 < upgrdman> R2COM, why are all of your fav games set in a dark environment? my monitor has 8294400 pixels, why do your games want to make 8000000 of those pixels pure black!?
2016-11-07T05:34:12 < aandrew> romania is best at thieves
2016-11-07T05:34:24 < aandrew> and strippers
2016-11-07T05:34:32 < dongs> aandrew: and hackers
2016-11-07T05:34:37 < dongs> dont forget romanian hackers on irc
2016-11-07T05:34:39 < dongs> back in the day
2016-11-07T05:34:41 < aandrew> heh
2016-11-07T05:34:51 < aandrew> a guy I knew years ago had a server compromised
2016-11-07T05:35:02 < aandrew> I noticed an irc connection as I was poking around
2016-11-07T05:35:11 < aandrew> spun up a VM and joined their server/channel
2016-11-07T05:35:22 < aandrew> few hundred bots and a bunch of guys
2016-11-07T05:35:31 < upgrdman> i dunno
2016-11-07T05:35:36 < dongs> R2COM: theres nothing to do in star shittyzen
2016-11-07T05:35:37 < upgrdman> i like arena games tho
2016-11-07T05:35:38 < aandrew> after the prereqisite kicks and scans they started talking a bit
2016-11-07T05:35:43 < upgrdman> like ut, q3a, etc.
2016-11-07T05:35:47 < aandrew> they were a bunch of .ro guys collecting ccs
2016-11-07T05:35:52 < dongs> yah
2016-11-07T05:36:03 < dongs> R2COM: thats like $1000 in ~real money~
2016-11-07T05:36:05 < dongs> fuck off
2016-11-07T05:36:11 < dongs> lol @ paying for retarded virtual goods
2016-11-07T05:36:12 < dongs> in games
2016-11-07T05:36:19 < dongs> yes
2016-11-07T05:36:27 < dongs> star shittyzen sold some ships for liek $50 each
2016-11-07T05:36:29 < dongs> er $50k each
2016-11-07T05:36:46 < jadew> is that the game made by CCP?
2016-11-07T05:36:51 < jadew> the land based one?
2016-11-07T05:39:04 < jadew> I bet it's as much of a waste of time as EVE was
2016-11-07T05:39:51 < jadew> ah, it's not made by CCP?
2016-11-07T05:40:13 < jadew> dongs mentioned it, so I assumed it's their game
2016-11-07T05:40:22 < dongs> tje ficl os cc[
2016-11-07T05:40:23 < dongs> fldjksdlfkg
2016-11-07T05:40:23 < jadew> CCP is the company behind EVE online
2016-11-07T05:40:24 < dongs> nice typing
2016-11-07T05:40:26 < dongs> the fuck is ccp
2016-11-07T05:40:26 < dongs> oh
2016-11-07T05:40:29 < dongs> nope. nothing to do with them
2016-11-07T05:40:36 < dongs> anyway, star shitty has its own issues
2016-11-07T05:40:44 < dongs> last i heard all their real devs left
2016-11-07T05:41:27 < dongs> all they're doing is running non-stop funding rounds selling more virtual in-game items/stuff
2016-11-07T05:47:21 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHUbzzKJXBc here's a pretty good star shitty summary
2016-11-07T05:52:24 < aandrew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XSC_UG5_kU&feature=youtu.be
2016-11-07T05:55:16 < jadew> so is that game ready?
2016-11-07T05:55:22 < jadew> is anyone playing it?
2016-11-07T05:55:41 < dongs> not ready
2016-11-07T05:56:37 < dongs> star shitty is "ready" in teh same sense that lunix is "storming desktop"
2016-11-07T05:56:45 < jadew> ok... the idea of that game is not new
2016-11-07T05:56:51 < jadew> EVE already had a lot of that
2016-11-07T05:57:36 < jadew> and if they went ahead with their plans they have console players playing shooters on the planets and people on the PC can interact with them (send/receive resources)
2016-11-07T05:57:55 < jadew> you can on the stations, no?
2016-11-07T05:58:23 < jadew> yeah, they changed that at some point, before planning to do the planet thing
2016-11-07T05:58:39 < jadew> can you have wars?
2016-11-07T05:58:44 < jadew> cuz that was pretty cool in EVE
2016-11-07T05:58:56 < jadew> 3000 ships in a war
2016-11-07T05:59:25 < jadew> was slow as hell, but it was interesting
2016-11-07T06:00:37 < dongs> can i run either of these games on stm32
2016-11-07T06:01:18 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/priya_ebooks/status/795032977524690944
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2016-11-07T06:01:45 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui7ZTlfNngc#t=0m28s
2016-11-07T06:02:23 < ohsix> aandrew: nice
2016-11-07T06:02:35 < ohsix> aandrew: i used to do that a lot for drone junk on efnut
2016-11-07T06:03:07 < ohsix> guh being an operator on efnet is going to be my war story when i'm 80
2016-11-07T06:04:51 < upgrdman> wut game
2016-11-07T06:04:54 < upgrdman> link
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2016-11-07T06:05:09 < ohsix> jadew: huhuhu
2016-11-07T06:05:17 < ohsix> this guys' kind of funny
2016-11-07T06:05:32 < ohsix> that filipino looking game he has as an insert has a realDonaldTrump player
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2016-11-07T06:09:45 < ohsix> 'rodeo beep boop or whatever'
2016-11-07T06:11:03 < stvn> vape it
2016-11-07T06:18:55 < ohsix> he's got screens from runescape when it was cool
2016-11-07T06:20:30 < ohsix> https://youtu.be/ui7ZTlfNngc?t=851
2016-11-07T06:25:39 < stvn> ah fuck i got the bug
2016-11-07T06:28:18 < jadew> lol ohsix
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2016-11-07T06:31:14 < stvn> da oozy nine millimeeta
2016-11-07T06:34:21 < dongs> attn Laurenceb http://www.sciencealert.com/leaked-nasa-paper-shows-the-impossible-em-drive-really-does-work
2016-11-07T06:36:13 < stvn> wiki leak it
2016-11-07T06:37:09 < stvn> some maggot installed teamviewer on my machine
2016-11-07T06:37:38 < ohsix> guy has jet set radio music in his outro too
2016-11-07T06:38:04 < ohsix> jadew: he doesn't have a lot of subs, who is this guy? huhu
2016-11-07T06:38:22 < jadew> ohsix, don't know, just found it
2016-11-07T06:38:33 < jadew> good review of the game tho
2016-11-07T06:38:40 < stvn> the game
2016-11-07T06:38:58 < dongs> STM32 game, right
2016-11-07T06:39:00 < stvn> http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/jarryd-hayne-shows-porn-to-gold-coast-schoolchildren-during-cyber-security-presentation/news-story/ab1a20d3510e100119459107190eb924
2016-11-07T06:39:15 < stvn> hope he goes to jail for showing explicit materialto a minor
2016-11-07T06:39:20 < upgrdman> are there any tools to profile cpu i-cache/d-cache misses?
2016-11-07T06:39:26 < ohsix> not that i know a lot about eve but it did seem like a good video ya
2016-11-07T06:39:36 < ohsix> upgrdman: on lunix?
2016-11-07T06:39:40 < dongs> which STM has i/d cache?
2016-11-07T06:39:40 < upgrdman> windoze
2016-11-07T06:39:42 < dongs> F7 or something?
2016-11-07T06:39:42 < ohsix> intel performance tools on windows
2016-11-07T06:39:46 < upgrdman> cpu, not stm
2016-11-07T06:39:47 < upgrdman> i7
2016-11-07T06:39:54 < upgrdman> ohsix, k thx
2016-11-07T06:39:57 < ohsix> perf on linux, will use all the perf counters the cpu has, and a bunch of others
2016-11-07T06:40:13 < stvn> thanks ohsix 
2016-11-07T06:40:20 < dongs> the way i see it, if youre worried about performance on an i7, time to re-evaluate your programming language choice
2016-11-07T06:40:29 < stvn> ok
2016-11-07T06:40:31 < ohsix> he's worried about cache misses
2016-11-07T06:40:37 < jadew> lol stvn
2016-11-07T06:40:42 < ohsix> and looking at a trace of them is pro
2016-11-07T06:40:44 < stvn> what did i do this time?
2016-11-07T06:41:04 < jadew> the link, it's ironic that it was at a cyber security thing
2016-11-07T06:41:09 < stvn> i agree
2016-11-07T06:41:31 < dongs> jadew: http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/gay-porn-4-kids/news-story/ab1a20d3510e100119459107190eb924 way better link
2016-11-07T06:41:33 < ohsix> huhuhu wut, chrome just gave me an overlay thing with 'press alt <- to go back' when i was mashing on backspace
2016-11-07T06:41:43 < stvn> lol
2016-11-07T06:41:47 < ohsix> upgrdman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cache-oblivious_algorithm maybe relevant
2016-11-07T06:41:50 < upgrdman> dongs, my code is plenty fast. but i was watching a vid on c++ performance tuning a couple weeks ago, and it got me thinking. curious if i have any big fuck ups in logic but i can't see because my cpu is Such Amaze
2016-11-07T06:42:20 < dongs> upgrdman: generally compiler will do a great job making proper assembly, tahts why compilers exist
2016-11-07T06:42:28 < ohsix> upgrdman: valgrind can simulate smaller cache sizes / different memory hierarchy
2016-11-07T06:42:47 < ohsix> http://valgrind.org/docs/manual/cg-manual.html
2016-11-07T06:43:02 < ohsix> if there's a particularly hot piece of code, getting it on a lunix for access to some of the tools is worth it
2016-11-07T06:43:14 < jadew> dongs, where can I find the uncensored video?
2016-11-07T06:43:27 < dongs> donno, ask crt
2016-11-07T06:43:32 < stvn> [:
2016-11-07T06:43:38 < upgrdman> dongs, yes, but compilers wont unfuck braindead algorithms. and im smart enough to know i fuck up plenty
2016-11-07T06:43:43 < dongs> R2COM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHwALwXSvEI
2016-11-07T06:43:55 < dongs> more starcitizen coveratge
2016-11-07T06:43:57 < dongs> -t
2016-11-07T06:44:02 < stvn> i want another spliff
2016-11-07T06:44:35 < upgrdman> ohsix, was this what you mentioned  https://software.intel.com/en-us/intel-vtune-amplifier-xe
2016-11-07T06:44:57 < stvn> i want to know how loaded i can be and still have customers not suspect it
2016-11-07T06:46:54 < jadew> Laurenceb, did you read what dongs linked?
2016-11-07T06:47:14 < stvn> Laurenceb doesn't have enough GBP to use his computer
2016-11-07T06:47:14 < dongs> dont think hes awake yet
2016-11-07T06:47:23 < dongs> that site just spreads bullshit troll rumors
2016-11-07T06:47:36 < stvn> yeah
2016-11-07T06:47:40 < stvn> like all news
2016-11-07T06:47:40 < jadew> so the leak isn't real?
2016-11-07T06:47:48 < stvn> muh hillary n trumps
2016-11-07T06:48:00 < stvn> GTK4lyf
2016-11-07T06:48:01 < jadew> they sure went to a lot of trouble with that document
2016-11-07T06:48:22 < jadew> and it seems well written
2016-11-07T06:48:51 < jadew> I mean, it's not something a troll newspaper would come up with
2016-11-07T06:50:17 < dongs> early access, garbage
2016-11-07T06:50:21 < dongs> half baked shit-betas
2016-11-07T06:51:23 < dongs> jadew: why would NASA papers need to be LEAKED
2016-11-07T06:51:30 < dongs> its a government organization
2016-11-07T06:51:34 < dongs> all thier shit is public domain by default
2016-11-07T06:51:51 < ohsix> upgrdman: probably, don't remember the name, but there are free versions
2016-11-07T06:52:18 < jadew> dongs, I assumed the implication was that they said it wasn't viable publicly, yet that paper surfaced, which proved that they found something else
2016-11-07T06:52:38 < ohsix> dongs has a point
2016-11-07T06:52:43 < ohsix> it's public work
2016-11-07T06:52:44 < dongs> just wait for Laurenceb to wake up, he'll give you a review on it.
2016-11-07T06:52:50 < dongs> i dont give the slightest fuck about emdrive trollery
2016-11-07T06:53:04 < dongs> im just retweeting cuz one of my pals also thinks emdrive is totally real
2016-11-07T06:53:10 < dongs> so he linked me that shit
2016-11-07T06:53:11 < jadew> well, last time I heard about it it was fully disproved
2016-11-07T06:53:18 < dongs> and still is
2016-11-07T06:53:26 < ohsix> wikileaks is in the news for being fucking crazy now too, leaking is a meme
2016-11-07T06:53:35 < ohsix> you don't need to disprove it
2016-11-07T06:53:44 < ohsix> you need to describe the new physics that allows it to work
2016-11-07T06:53:48 < jadew> R2COM, electricity 2 thrust
2016-11-07T06:54:02 < jadew> like rockets
2016-11-07T06:54:12 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-07T06:54:16 < jadew> so are rockets
2016-11-07T06:54:35 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMJk4y9NGvE
2016-11-07T06:54:41 < jadew> but rockets powered entirely by electricity are still debatable :)
2016-11-07T06:55:04 < ohsix> what people need is an STEM drive, so they're not fucking idiots
2016-11-07T06:56:49 < jadew> now I want to see a movie with conspiracies, space travel and possibly aliens
2016-11-07T06:57:07 < jadew> yeah, you get a coil and you put a nail in it :)
2016-11-07T06:57:57 < stvn> wtf are you doing here
2016-11-07T06:57:58 < jadew> ahead as in before?
2016-11-07T06:58:10 < jadew> because odds are you would have been a peasant
2016-11-07T06:58:22 < stvn> better get to pumping
2016-11-07T06:58:44 < jadew> I imagine life 3000 years ago sucked
2016-11-07T06:58:54 < jadew> no internet
2016-11-07T06:58:57 < ohsix> gaha seeing an ad for a 40$ bowling ball, free shipping; that seems cheap, anyone need one????????//
2016-11-07T06:59:27 < jadew> what makes you think you would have been on the winning side? :)
2016-11-07T06:59:54 < jadew> most people had a shitty life for sure
2016-11-07T07:00:10 < jadew> and if you ignore the raiding and all that, everyone had a shitty life
2016-11-07T07:00:17 < jadew> they didn't even have toilet paper
2016-11-07T07:00:22 < jadew> they had to use leaves
2016-11-07T07:00:26 < jadew> and didn't wash
2016-11-07T07:00:38 < ohsix> they didn't have toilets
2016-11-07T07:00:43 < ohsix> running water
2016-11-07T07:00:46 < jadew> I bet they didn't even wonder anymore why their buttholes are itchy
2016-11-07T07:01:18 < ohsix> they used lead oxide as sweetener and as plumbing
2016-11-07T07:01:48 < stvn> pieces
2016-11-07T07:02:14 < jadew> they used lead to make plates and other kitcher stuff
2016-11-07T07:02:36 < jadew> for a period tomatoes were considered poisonous because of that
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2016-11-07T07:03:25 < jadew> R2COM, someone was just saying on imgur that most of that is bullshit
2016-11-07T07:04:02 < stvn> yes
2016-11-07T07:04:08 < dongs> about as credible as someone on irc
2016-11-07T07:04:14 < stvn> someone on ##stm32 talking about stm32 would be better 
2016-11-07T07:04:19 < dongs> ^ this
2016-11-07T07:04:25 < jadew> haha
2016-11-07T07:04:35 < dongs> autism is all good but its been nothing but autism since 8am today
2016-11-07T07:04:42 < dongs> zyp tried to have a conversation about STM32 registers
2016-11-07T07:04:49 < dongs> which got derailed into complete autism by leelooman
2016-11-07T07:04:55 < dongs> and i havent seen any stm32 talk since that time
2016-11-07T07:05:16 < ohsix> i was in that conversation, it was success
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2016-11-07T07:06:33 < dongs> i think ill watch some american TV
2016-11-07T07:06:40 < dongs> doucheworld 6 is out
2016-11-07T07:06:51 < ohsix> indeed it is
2016-11-07T07:07:02 < ohsix> i was going to watch it then jadew posted the eve thing
2016-11-07T07:07:18 < ohsix> bobs burgers & other sunday shit is out too
2016-11-07T07:07:21 < upgrdman> anyone used EasyEDA?
2016-11-07T07:07:25 < jadew> oh, neat!
2016-11-07T07:07:29 < ohsix> i started it once
2016-11-07T07:07:35 < ohsix> and i think i placed a wire
2016-11-07T07:07:48 < dongs> upgrdman: whats wrong with the channel favorite falstad thing
2016-11-07T07:07:58 < dongs> Mac, Linux, Windows and Android: All Platforms Supported
2016-11-07T07:07:59 < dongs> k no
2016-11-07T07:08:00 < dongs> page closed
2016-11-07T07:08:23 < upgrdman> R2COM, dongs, because i just got a msg from them offering money to make some dicktube videos about it. but they didnt give details, so maybe money == $1
2016-11-07T07:09:34 < ohsix> haha
2016-11-07T07:09:35 < ohsix> don't
2016-11-07T07:09:40 < upgrdman> they even have stm32 pcbs on the bottom of their web site
2016-11-07T07:09:56 < ohsix> they want publicity and they apparently want it cheap (no offense)
2016-11-07T07:10:04 < ohsix> something like that should be on its' merits amirite
2016-11-07T07:10:24 < ohsix> their revenue is from doing pcb capture online and then submitting the jobs to pcb companies
2016-11-07T07:10:43 < upgrdman> ya i know
2016-11-07T07:10:53 < upgrdman> but if they offer decent money, i wouldnt mind being a tool
2016-11-07T07:10:59 < upgrdman> but ya, i doubt decent money
2016-11-07T07:11:03 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Engineering/Paper-thin-display-11989452/ haha
2016-11-07T07:11:05 < stvn> i'll make a video of me taking a shotgun to it
2016-11-07T07:11:14 < dongs> crt is that you trolling feelancer
2016-11-07T07:11:23 < ohsix> if you used it already i could see doign it for  less
2016-11-07T07:11:26 < stvn> nup
2016-11-07T07:11:36 < stvn> i wouldn't even suck my own dick for $250aud
2016-11-07T07:11:43 < ohsix> you risk looking like a fool when you're just doing it because someone paid you and you don't know the workflow very well
2016-11-07T07:11:47 < dongs> thats gonna be fun
2016-11-07T07:11:53 < dongs> keep us updated
2016-11-07T07:12:33 < dongs> .,.
2016-11-07T07:12:36 < dongs> cant you just open that shitty site
2016-11-07T07:12:38 < dongs> on your phone
2016-11-07T07:13:03 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, i already get free china shit to review :)
2016-11-07T07:13:43 < ohsix> a laptop with 4gb of ram is practically torture to make someone use
2016-11-07T07:17:16 < dongs> do you play gamez fullscreen lol
2016-11-07T07:17:29 < dongs> heh
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2016-11-07T07:20:44 < ohsix> daylight savings buh
2016-11-07T07:20:56 < ohsix> it's only an hour but it really should not be 9:20 right now
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2016-11-07T07:21:13 < upgrdman> time changes tonight?
2016-11-07T07:21:31 < upgrdman> o
2016-11-07T07:21:42 < upgrdman> good thing my smartphone is my alarm cock
2016-11-07T07:21:48 < upgrdman> i wouldnt fucked that up
2016-11-07T07:21:57 < upgrdman> wouldve*
2016-11-07T07:22:43 < upgrdman> drink less smirnoff
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2016-11-07T07:27:33 < ohsix> changed last night
2016-11-07T07:28:42 < ohsix> someone was teasing me on saturday about paid work (!!!!) on monday
2016-11-07T07:29:28 < ohsix> 100 years,  but yea i saw that joke on twitter too
2016-11-07T07:30:02 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/MartinStoermer/status/795494577549385728
2016-11-07T07:32:53 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/search?q=clocks%20back%20100%20years&src=typd
2016-11-07T07:33:35 < ohsix> sorry, first link was some nonsense, you tend to see those when you open twitter to find something else
2016-11-07T07:37:06 < ohsix> there's not much to do on twitter but be funny, and a lot of people know that; it's a crucible of entertainment
2016-11-07T07:37:21 < ohsix> tbh i only saw the joke for the first time, on twitter, today
2016-11-07T07:37:34 < ohsix> couldn't find it so i just posted the search heh
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2016-11-07T07:38:55 < ohsix> huhuhuh bobs bugers: jimmy pesto: 'notice anything different about me?' bob: 'no thank you'
2016-11-07T07:38:57 < ohsix> bbl
2016-11-07T07:40:14 < dongs> http://www.ibtimes.com/flying-pig-offensive-muslims-complaint-over-alibabas-rebranded-service-sparks-2440129
2016-11-07T07:45:07 < upgrdman> R2COM, no, sil val != so cal
2016-11-07T07:54:45 < ohsix> .
2016-11-07T07:54:51 < ohsix> did the internet break
2016-11-07T07:55:38 < ohsix> twitter is down here
2016-11-07T07:56:13 < ohsix> the 13 year old rape trump thing, jane doe dropped the case
2016-11-07T07:56:20 < ohsix> yesterday
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2016-11-07T08:17:56 < dongs> R2COM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEDSHFqsuYE
2016-11-07T08:21:16 < jadew> lol
2016-11-07T08:21:28 < jadew> hahaha
2016-11-07T08:21:33 < jadew> it's hilareous
2016-11-07T08:26:14 < upgrdman> lol. wtf IC mounting angles:  http://files.linuxgizmos.com/shenzhen_orangepipctwo2.jpg
2016-11-07T08:26:40 < upgrdman> feng shui meets EE?
2016-11-07T08:27:10 < dongs> weird
2016-11-07T08:27:16 < dongs> H3 has PHY built in
2016-11-07T08:27:19 < dongs> why wouldnt H5
2016-11-07T08:27:22 < dongs> seems silly
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2016-11-07T08:29:07 < upgrdman> it has phy  http://files.linuxgizmos.com/allwinner_h5_block.jpg
2016-11-07T08:29:34 < upgrdman> hmm 10/100 phy. i think theyre doing GigE tho
2016-11-07T08:31:52 < dongs> ah, gige mac
2016-11-07T08:31:58 < dongs> explains the gb phy outside then
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2016-11-07T08:32:50 < upgrdman> i wonder if beaglebone is ever gonna update
2016-11-07T08:33:05 < upgrdman> kinda wanna try a bbb since they use TI which is known for nice docs
2016-11-07T08:33:31 < ohsix> pal that does avionics uses bbb for basically everything
2016-11-07T08:33:54 < ohsix> it is neat to see linux on those things huhuh, he does raw xlib junk for charting and a real x server, instead of just using the framebuffer
2016-11-07T08:35:27 < upgrdman> really surprise no SBCs use the VESA monitor bolt pattern
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2016-11-07T08:49:08 < ohsix> holy
2016-11-07T08:49:21 < ohsix> ReadErr: dave chapelle and a tribe called quest doing snl on nov 12
2016-11-07T08:49:52 < ohsix> upgrdman: isn't that from pc104?
2016-11-07T08:50:24 < ohsix> oh, nope, those are ~90mm
2016-11-07T08:51:49 < ohsix> 85.7mm
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2016-11-07T09:03:23 < ohsix> re: earlier, network fuckup; seemed to be twitter alone? https://twitter.com/SteveD3/status/795516207965282304
2016-11-07T09:03:47 < ohsix> wuh bgpstream is kewl
2016-11-07T09:04:30 < dongs> no messing
2016-11-07T09:04:33 < dongs> this is RELEASE CODE
2016-11-07T09:12:14 < ohsix> in case you don't have an SA account to read about the star citizen junk, rps summarized it https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/07/14/star-citizen-refund/
2016-11-07T09:14:04 < ohsix> haha, i like how the first reply talks about a 'statutory 14 day period'
2016-11-07T09:22:07 < ohsix> heh
2016-11-07T09:22:19 < ohsix> gcc can actually transform inline assembly when you provide that information
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2016-11-07T09:22:45 < ohsix> you're describing the inputs and outputs
2016-11-07T09:22:55 < stvn> welcome englishman 
2016-11-07T09:27:02 < jadew> I don't think crowdfunding should work like it currently does
2016-11-07T09:27:18 < jadew> IMO, if you fail to deliver, you have to pay ALL the money you got
2016-11-07T09:27:42 < jadew> the point of crowdfunding is so you can deliver on something that you couldn't, if you didn't have all the money upfront
2016-11-07T09:28:01 < jadew> if you promise that you do that and then you don't, then you have to at pay it all back
2016-11-07T09:28:05 < jadew> if you can't, go to jail
2016-11-07T09:28:22 < ohsix> eh
2016-11-07T09:28:22 < jadew> especially in those cases with 100+ millions
2016-11-07T09:28:29 < ohsix> there's a legal definition for crowdfunding
2016-11-07T09:28:35 < jadew> it's wrong
2016-11-07T09:28:35 < ohsix> they really can tell the 'funders' to fuck off
2016-11-07T09:28:40 < ohsix> arguable
2016-11-07T09:28:48 < ohsix> it allows kickstarter to exist, that is the problem
2016-11-07T09:28:49 < jadew> backers are not investors
2016-11-07T09:28:55 < ohsix> right
2016-11-07T09:29:20 < ohsix> vc investors actually have a bunch of restrictions on shit they can do huhu
2016-11-07T09:29:35 < jadew> that's very different tho
2016-11-07T09:29:59 < ohsix> yea that's the point
2016-11-07T09:30:18 < ohsix> people conflate all sorts of shit when they're just generally angry
2016-11-07T09:30:24 < ohsix> about kickstarter
2016-11-07T09:30:50 < stvn> who are you talking to jadew ?
2016-11-07T09:31:01 < jadew> lol
2016-11-07T09:31:15 < jadew> ohsix
2016-11-07T09:31:19 < stvn> afaik you can go 'we're bankrupt lull' and get out of it
2016-11-07T09:31:25 < ohsix> that too
2016-11-07T09:31:32 < ohsix> but
2016-11-07T09:31:47 < ohsix> nobody in the funder class of people on a kickstarter will have any claim to anything left of the company
2016-11-07T09:31:49 < stvn> just like the zano worms did
2016-11-07T09:31:55 < ohsix> creditors and registered investors will
2016-11-07T09:32:23 < jadew> ohsix, well, that's the thing, they should get a full reimbursment one way or another
2016-11-07T09:32:30 < ohsix> there's been enough high profile failures for people to be mostly aware of the risks
2016-11-07T09:32:37 < stvn> the cunts didn't even have a working proto and they walked all over the kickstarter 'requirements'
2016-11-07T09:32:39 < ohsix> how?
2016-11-07T09:32:51 < ohsix> kickstarter doesn't even have a legal definition of people asking for fundign or success
2016-11-07T09:32:57 < stvn> just like those rats walk all over GPL
2016-11-07T09:33:02 < jadew> ohsix, sell everything the "developers" are own
2016-11-07T09:33:10 < jadew> including the company
2016-11-07T09:33:18 < jadew> or whatever is left of it
2016-11-07T09:33:31 < ohsix> for what reason
2016-11-07T09:33:39 < ohsix> there's all sorts of protections for businesses that fail
2016-11-07T09:33:43 < jadew> because it was built on a lie
2016-11-07T09:33:45 < ohsix> that's what llc's are for and shit
2016-11-07T09:33:56 < jadew> that's not set in stone
2016-11-07T09:34:05 < jadew> laws can and should be changed
2016-11-07T09:34:10 < stvn> cuck a duck
2016-11-07T09:34:12 < ohsix> they're all built on a promise, arguably it can't become a lie
2016-11-07T09:34:25 < jadew> ohsix, it was a lie to begin with
2016-11-07T09:34:34 < ohsix> like no mans sky?
2016-11-07T09:34:37 < jadew> it just takes time for some lies to be proven as such
2016-11-07T09:34:40 < ohsix> nah
2016-11-07T09:34:55 < stvn> kickstart my ass
2016-11-07T09:35:04 < ohsix> people that are interested in this stuff will invent or perceive things that aren't even intended by the people running the campaigns
2016-11-07T09:35:08 < stvn> kickstart my zano
2016-11-07T09:35:13 < ohsix> it's part of wha thype is
2016-11-07T09:35:19 < jadew> also, taking accountability out of the picture just because someone overestimates their powers, is not an option
2016-11-07T09:35:38 < jadew> people should know not to do that, but if that's all it takes to get away with anything, they'll never stop doing it
2016-11-07T09:35:50 < stvn> this is how much ppl care - https://www.change.org/p/ivan-reedman-reece-crowther-david-cameron-mp-carwyn-jones-zano-drone-refund-biggest-drone-kickstarter-is-biggest-fraud
2016-11-07T09:36:25 < ohsix> it should be adjudicated, but people have to sue
2016-11-07T09:36:29 < ohsix> that shit doesn't just happen
2016-11-07T09:36:48 < ohsix> back when dongs and i were chatties we'd talk about a bunch of kickstarters a week that were outright scams
2016-11-07T09:37:00 < ohsix> the people funding the things aren't interested
2016-11-07T09:37:01 < jadew> "With the sudden departure of your CEO Ivan Reedman"
2016-11-07T09:37:04 < jadew> did that guy die?
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2016-11-07T09:38:14 < ohsix> nope, just 'left'
2016-11-07T09:38:19 < stvn> hopefully
2016-11-07T09:38:27 < ohsix> it's really boring when you're not in the middle of the drama as it unfolds
2016-11-07T09:38:39 < stvn> cause there was no arduino sketch for his project
2016-11-07T09:38:58 < stvn> blew his fucken brains out
2016-11-07T09:39:00 < jadew> ohsix, I guess people who don't risk money on silly projects are doomed to be bored :)
2016-11-07T09:39:21 < jpa-> jadew: IMO crowfunding failures aren't much different from regular preorders.. once a limited liability company bankrupts, not much chance getting money back
2016-11-07T09:39:21 < ohsix> jadew: if you assume it was an investment it's extra silly
2016-11-07T09:39:33 < stvn> ^
2016-11-07T09:40:09 < jadew> ohsix, I don't
2016-11-07T09:40:17 < jadew> that's exactly what I'm saying, it's not an investment
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2016-11-07T09:40:27 < jadew> jpa-, I think it should be differently qualified
2016-11-07T09:40:59 < jpa-> here in finland we had a fun case recently, a big store chain bankrupted and instead of delivering already paid for orders they just sold them again to pay back some of their loans.. similarly for all gift cards etc, immediately lost
2016-11-07T09:41:02 < jadew> I see crowdfunding as a bunch of people putting money together to get a 10 people group discount
2016-11-07T09:41:17 < jadew> and then the guy who's getting the money realizes he can't get the discount
2016-11-07T09:41:21 < jadew> so he leaves with the money
2016-11-07T09:41:31 < jadew> that's his fault and he should pay for it
2016-11-07T09:41:53 < jadew> simply because he made a promise without knowing if he can deliver on it
2016-11-07T09:41:57 < jpa-> well yeah, if it is just a matter of "group discount" then it could be made differently
2016-11-07T09:42:12 < jpa-> but if the backers are paying for 6 months of R&D, not so much
2016-11-07T09:42:46 < jadew> no, even then
2016-11-07T09:42:59 < jadew> it means the people who took that engagement didn't know what they were doing
2016-11-07T09:43:01 < jadew> so they lied
2016-11-07T09:43:04 < jpa-> eh
2016-11-07T09:43:07 < jadew> they lied that they can do it
2016-11-07T09:43:19 < jadew> for example, if I say I can build X software in 5 months
2016-11-07T09:43:22 < jpa-> even competent companies have failing R&D projects
2016-11-07T09:43:22 < jadew> I know that I can
2016-11-07T09:43:24 < jadew> and I will
2016-11-07T09:43:28 < jpa-> unexpected stuff does come up
2016-11-07T09:43:40 < jadew> sure, but if you know what you're doing you get over it
2016-11-07T09:43:46 < jadew> and it's a risk you should take
2016-11-07T09:43:49 < jadew> not everyone else
2016-11-07T09:43:58 < jadew> if you're not willing to take it, don't make the promise
2016-11-07T09:44:03 < jpa-> and if you can't take it, the product shouldn't happen?
2016-11-07T09:44:08 < jadew> yes
2016-11-07T09:44:17 < jpa-> who are you to say that the backers don't have a right to decide for themselves and take a part of the risk?
2016-11-07T09:44:19 < jadew> that way, we'd get rid of the scams
2016-11-07T09:44:30 < jpa-> would you forbid LLCs also?
2016-11-07T09:44:30 < jadew> because they're morons
2016-11-07T09:44:34 < jadew> look at them
2016-11-07T09:44:48 < jpa-> the people who back the worst scams are of course morons
2016-11-07T09:45:00 < jpa-> if you spare them that money, they'll go back to investing in nigerian princes
2016-11-07T09:45:54 < jadew> I don't know, I think it would be more efficient if the people doing the lying would get punished
2016-11-07T09:46:31 < jadew> teaching the lesson that "you shouldn't trust people, because the government doesn't have your back" is not such a great lesson to teach
2016-11-07T09:46:33 < jpa-> if they deliberately lie to gain money, it should already be punishable as fraud
2016-11-07T09:46:49 < jadew> well, that's what I'm saying, they are deliberately lying
2016-11-07T09:47:00 < jpa-> of course in most places, actually suing people is too expensive to be worth it
2016-11-07T09:47:01 < jadew> because if you or me say we can do something, we most likely can
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2016-11-07T09:47:12 < jpa-> nah, i fail deadlines about 20% of time
2016-11-07T09:47:13 < jadew> since we have the necessary skills to take that assesment
2016-11-07T09:47:17 < jadew> so do I
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2016-11-07T09:47:23 < jadew> but I deliver on them
2016-11-07T09:47:32 < jpa-> so i could never do a 100k$ kickstarter if i had to take all the risk
2016-11-07T09:47:43 < jadew> these guys that generate all these failed kickstarters can't make those assesments because they don't have the necessary skills
2016-11-07T09:47:49 < jadew> so they are in fact liers
2016-11-07T09:47:54 < jpa-> meh
2016-11-07T09:48:33 < jadew> it's like paying someone to custom build something for you
2016-11-07T09:48:40 < jadew> like... a tailor
2016-11-07T09:48:47 < jadew> and 3 years later your suit is still not ready
2016-11-07T09:48:59 < jadew> and he wasted all the money on materials
2016-11-07T09:49:05 < jpa-> the projects i can predict are old, boring technology
2016-11-07T09:49:12 < ohsix> kickstarter needs technical consultants
2016-11-07T09:49:21 < jpa-> kickstarter is more about new, exciting tech, so much harder to predict
2016-11-07T09:49:23 < ohsix> but they take a risk looking at the projects they host at all
2016-11-07T09:49:36 < ohsix> if they consent to something really shady then it will impact their business
2016-11-07T09:49:36 < jpa-> and if you can just take the risk, why would you use kickstarter? just take a loan
2016-11-07T09:49:46 < jadew> jpa-, yeah, but you don't make the promise without having proof of concept and taking most of everything else into account
2016-11-07T09:50:16 < jadew> building on what ohsix said
2016-11-07T09:50:24 < jpa-> jadew: and that is partly why i won't end up making anything cool :P
2016-11-07T09:50:40 < jadew> another way of making this a bit better would be to have the kickstarting companies pay a part of the damage (when damages occur)
2016-11-07T09:50:47 < jadew> that way they'd be forced to screen them properly
2016-11-07T09:50:50 < ohsix> jadew: if someone just walked away with the money that's more clear
2016-11-07T09:51:02 < jadew> jpa-, heh
2016-11-07T09:51:14 < dongs> what are you dudes talking about
2016-11-07T09:51:15 < jpa-> hmm, maybe kickstarter could have negative investments; betting on which projects will fail to deliver
2016-11-07T09:51:21 < ohsix> CIG in the case of the star citizen thing even having a lawyer kind of demonstrates someone spent a lot of money and didn't just leave with it huhu
2016-11-07T09:51:28 < jadew> jpa-, yeah, that's what I'm saying
2016-11-07T09:51:33 < jadew> I wanted to say kickstarting sites
2016-11-07T09:51:40 < jpa-> dongs: jadew wants kickstarter runners to carry all the risk about failing projects
2016-11-07T09:51:42 < ohsix> people that do kickstarters that fail make money that seems unfair sometimes, but so do CEOs that run banks and shit
2016-11-07T09:52:16 < jadew> they should be forced to shoulder part of the risks, otherwise they don't have any incentives to filter for scams
2016-11-07T09:52:30 < ohsix> consider someone using kickstarter funds to pay themselves for a year, and stuff still fails, should they not have paid themselves?
2016-11-07T09:52:51 < ohsix> it's a massive grey mess
2016-11-07T09:52:56 < jadew> ohsix, obviously not
2016-11-07T09:53:01 < jadew> they should have paid someone capable of doing the job
2016-11-07T09:53:06 < jadew> they paid the wrong person
2016-11-07T09:53:12 < dongs> jpa-: failing as in, taking 3 mil and delivering a big fuck you?
2016-11-07T09:53:15 < ohsix> yea but you can't get those funds back
2016-11-07T09:53:36 < jpa-> dongs: apparently everything from that and towards just failing to take into account something that makes the project impossible
2016-11-07T09:53:45 < ohsix> you can try suing that person, but they can just fold, you'd really have to make the case that it was a scam and there was some intent behind failure
2016-11-07T09:53:46 < jadew> I didn't say that
2016-11-07T09:54:00 < dongs> yeah, they should definitely vet the projects way more than they do now
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2016-11-07T09:54:05 < jadew> well, if that leads to the project failing, then yes
2016-11-07T09:54:05 < dongs> especially tech shit
2016-11-07T09:54:09 < jadew> they should take responsibility
2016-11-07T09:54:14 < ohsix> they can't tho
2016-11-07T09:54:26 < ohsix> the business doesn't exist if they take on more liability
2016-11-07T09:54:26 < jpa-> jadew: why would they use kickstarter then, if they have the responsibility anyway?
2016-11-07T09:54:52 < jpa-> regular preorders or just bank loan would work just as well and have actually less liability if using LLC
2016-11-07T09:54:59 < jadew> jpa-, to raise the "bulk" without which they can't start
2016-11-07T09:55:07 < ohsix> kickstarter is there to aggregate and get a percentage, not to make sure any of them are legit
2016-11-07T09:55:08 < dongs> jpa, no bank would give a loan to any dickstarter
2016-11-07T09:55:28 < ohsix> but ehh ya no time for more chatties, sorry for jumping on buffer, did that a lot today
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2016-11-07T09:55:33 < ohsix> jadew: i agree it sucks, though
2016-11-07T09:55:46 < jadew> ohsix, well, if they'd change that, it would weed out a lot of the scams
2016-11-07T09:55:53 < jpa-> dongs: they probably would to many of the successful ones
2016-11-07T09:56:02 < ohsix> i've actually thought a bit about it
2016-11-07T09:56:02 < ohsix> bbl
2016-11-07T09:56:05 < jadew> bye
2016-11-07T09:56:13 < dongs> jpa, "success" of a project doesn't mean its going to deliver
2016-11-07T09:56:18 < dongs> like: zano
2016-11-07T09:56:23 < dongs> success = getting $3mil
2016-11-07T09:56:25 < dongs> result = lol
2016-11-07T09:56:40 < dongs> if bank judged success by how many pledtes people gave before loaning the money
2016-11-07T09:56:44 < jpa-> dongs: i mean the actually successful and delivered ones.. the very few that actually did that
2016-11-07T09:57:10 < jadew> jpa-, and what happens if they give the money to projects that don't deliver?
2016-11-07T09:57:50 < jadew> the bank and the project owner get to suffer
2016-11-07T09:58:06 < jpa-> jadew: they'll collect the loan according to the terms of the loan, and any loss that they couldn't recover they cover with interest from other loans
2016-11-07T09:58:19 < jpa-> yep
2016-11-07T09:58:35 < jadew> that's the thing, someone has to suffer for things to work out nicely
2016-11-07T09:58:47 < jpa-> so if you make kickstarter into "equivalent to bank loan except 20% provision", kickstarter just disappears
2016-11-07T09:59:06 < jadew> that's fine
2016-11-07T09:59:27 < jadew> it would make room for something better
2016-11-07T09:59:32 < jpa-> meh
2016-11-07T09:59:51 < jpa-> the losses by kickstarter are such trivial amounts per backer etc. that i don't consider it much of a problem
2016-11-07T10:00:02 < jpa-> and nice things like pebble have been made through it
2016-11-07T10:00:17 < jadew> nice things would be made anyway
2016-11-07T10:00:23 < jpa-> perhaps
2016-11-07T10:00:34 < jpa-> scams will be definitely be made anyway
2016-11-07T10:00:53 < jadew> yeah, but the ratio on kickstarter is like 10/1
2016-11-07T10:01:54 < jpa-> the ratio on spam emails is like 1000000/1
2016-11-07T10:02:10 < jadew> anyway, my point is that things would be better for everyone if responsibility for these failed projects would be enforced
2016-11-07T10:02:28 < ohsix> jadew: a-priori weeding out fo scams gets them less money
2016-11-07T10:02:31 < jadew> jpa-, yes, but I don't get any, because there are filters in place
2016-11-07T10:02:33 < jpa-> my point is that it would be worse for kickstarter, it would be worse for project creators, and we would get less cool projects
2016-11-07T10:02:50 < jpa-> it would only be better for the dummies
2016-11-07T10:03:21 < jadew> I think that it would be better for everyone, because the dummies would get to redirect their money to real projects
2016-11-07T10:03:23 < jadew> and real creators
2016-11-07T10:03:55 < jadew> kickstarter is a great idea, but it's poorly implemented
2016-11-07T10:04:08 < jpa-> kickstart a better one
2016-11-07T10:04:15 < jadew> mainly because kickstarter itself wants to get away with all the money and no responsibility
2016-11-07T10:04:28 < jpa-> true
2016-11-07T10:05:15 < jpa-> kickstarter takes a lot of the money and that's one reason not to use it.. but i don't think it is reasonable to forbid high profit margins
2016-11-07T10:05:45 < jadew> I'm not against that
2016-11-07T10:06:07 < jadew> I'm just against shifting all the risk on the backers
2016-11-07T10:06:17 < jadew> it's not normal
2016-11-07T10:07:02 < jadew> and because you can't stop people from overestimating their capabilities, it shouldn't be allowed at all
2016-11-07T10:07:36 < jpa-> so would you also forbid pre-ordering from LLCs?
2016-11-07T10:07:59 < jpa-> consider e.g. the pre-orders of saleae that were delayed by a lot
2016-11-07T10:08:02 < jadew> products that don't exist yet - yes
2016-11-07T10:08:48 < jadew> products that exist and are only delayed because of manufacturing delays (sourcing of parts, time to make them, etc), no
2016-11-07T10:08:51 < jadew> that's perfectly fine
2016-11-07T10:09:13 < jadew> but if you're selling something you can't build, you have to give the money back
2016-11-07T10:09:15 < jadew> all of it
2016-11-07T10:09:38 < jpa-> what if the LLC bankrupts during the manufacturing? you get nothing back, because there is nowhere to take it from
2016-11-07T10:09:52 < jadew> that's a different scenario
2016-11-07T10:09:58 < jpa-> same effect
2016-11-07T10:10:09 < jpa-> thinking you can manufacture it, but couldn't
2016-11-07T10:10:14 < jadew> yes, but I'd consider it reasonable
2016-11-07T10:10:32 < jadew> it's reasonable for a company to fail in other ways, while being engaged in various contracts
2016-11-07T10:10:47 < jpa-> interesting point of view, disallowing the spreading of the risk for the most risky parts of product development
2016-11-07T10:10:58 < jadew> but it's not reasonable for someone to fail at something they're supposed to do
2016-11-07T10:11:28 < jadew> I worded that badly, but you get my point
2016-11-07T10:13:06 < jadew> jpa-, I have no problem with spreading the risk, if the involved parts know what they're getting into or they have a designated person that looks into it and says "ok"
2016-11-07T10:13:36 < jadew> but that's rarely the case, normally it's just someone doing a the marketing thing and little else
2016-11-07T10:14:23 < jpa-> yep, internet is a place where you have to look for yourself
2016-11-07T10:14:31 < jpa-> government does not and cannot have your back
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2016-11-07T13:51:42 < ReadErr> kickstarter could do a better job of dispersing the funds
2016-11-07T13:51:54 < ReadErr> acting more like a bank/loan place
2016-11-07T13:52:20 < ReadErr> so when something does fail atleast some money can be returned
2016-11-07T13:54:52 < Lux> but that's profits they might loose
2016-11-07T13:55:56 < ReadErr> probably yea
2016-11-07T13:56:05 < ReadErr> but atleast theres some audit of where the money is going
2016-11-07T14:00:07 < ReadErr> but actually it would gain KS more money
2016-11-07T14:00:16 < ReadErr> since its investable 
2016-11-07T14:03:27 < ReadErr> is boB_K7IQ one of those anti spam meta bots
2016-11-07T14:03:54 < ReadErr> im sure theres some in here
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2016-11-07T14:48:06 < Laurenceb_> slashdot delivers, Musk btfo
2016-11-07T14:48:08 < Laurenceb_> https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9853125&cid=53227599
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2016-11-07T15:27:42 < dongs> Laurenceb_: did  you see my emdrive link
2016-11-07T15:27:54 < Laurenceb_> link pls
2016-11-07T15:27:55 < dongs> < dongs> attn Laurenceb http://www.sciencealert.com/leaked-nasa-paper-shows-the-impossible-em-drive-really-does-work
2016-11-07T15:28:03 < dongs> youve been trolling us all this time
2016-11-07T15:28:05 < dongs> emdrive is real!
2016-11-07T15:28:37 < Laurenceb_> cool story bro
2016-11-07T15:29:03 < dongs> explain
2016-11-07T15:36:05 < dongs> http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/08/us/janet-reno-dead.html lol
2016-11-07T15:36:11 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/edcdcea80169057417a6a844ed74a1f1523f56083f057532488642f857ee0308.jpg
2016-11-07T15:36:16 < Laurenceb_>  *x-files music*
2016-11-07T15:36:32 < dongs> Laurenceb_: tell me  why that paper/article is bullshit
2016-11-07T15:36:36 < dongs> stop wasting time on fgtchan
2016-11-07T15:37:01 < Laurenceb_> k
2016-11-07T15:37:06 < Laurenceb_> lul the graphics
2016-11-07T15:38:58 < Laurenceb_> damn that data is shitty
2016-11-07T15:39:30 < Laurenceb_> Fig 7 is mega shitty
2016-11-07T15:41:17 < Laurenceb_> I guess fig10 is slightly less shit
2016-11-07T15:43:30 < Laurenceb_> lul thrust is nonlinear with power
2016-11-07T15:43:34 < Laurenceb_> cool story bro
2016-11-07T15:43:46 < dongs> is that good or bad?
2016-11-07T15:44:04 < Laurenceb_> bad
2016-11-07T15:44:07 < dongs> why
2016-11-07T15:46:58 < Laurenceb_> cuz it makes no sense unless its a thermal effect
2016-11-07T15:46:59 < Laurenceb_> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/products/8418462/?grossPrice=Y&cm_mmc=UK-GDN-_-google-_-1_UK_GDN_Rmkt_RS_AB-_-Rmkt_RS_Cart_AB&mkwid=c_dc|pcrid|96726039186|pkw||pmt||prd|&gclid=CLjVueHjltACFc8y0wodGHMCaA
2016-11-07T15:47:25 < dongs> teledildo
2016-11-07T15:49:06 < Laurenceb_> damn that gives me ideas for kickstarter
2016-11-07T15:49:17 < Laurenceb_> need that + fleshlight
2016-11-07T15:49:53 < Laurenceb_> maybe one with a strap on so two tele presence bots can fuck
2016-11-07T15:51:34 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/531beeab9d56f8824e648816b3e157be19bfb45b740ea61a8d8787d498c3ea93.png
2016-11-07T15:52:23 < Laurenceb_> http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/americans-told-to-escape-to-london-if-donald-trump-wins-us-election-a3389161.html
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2016-11-07T16:02:22 < ReadErr> arent houses crazy expensive in london?
2016-11-07T16:02:29 < ReadErr> cuz the chinese keep buying them up
2016-11-07T16:07:41 < kakimir> and russian jews
2016-11-07T16:07:58 < kakimir> I mean russian bankers
2016-11-07T16:14:35 < kakimir> plan to ruin London by taking all the yankee immigrates in
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2016-11-07T16:39:13 < Rob235> what gives something elasticity? is it like underwear where the cells are kinda scrunched up together until stretched out or do the molecules actually stretch?
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2016-11-07T16:54:03 < Rickta59> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/openmsp430-road-trip-space-open-source-%C2%B5c-core-olivier-girard
2016-11-07T16:54:17 < Rickta59> oops .. sorry wrong window
2016-11-07T17:18:13 < PaulFertser> Was AC6's OpenOCD version buggy btw? 
2016-11-07T17:20:05 < dongs> use a real debug prboe
2016-11-07T17:20:08 < dongs> like jlink ultra+
2016-11-07T17:20:12 < dongs> you dont need openaids with that
2016-11-07T17:20:20 < dongs> it comes with gdbserver for non-pro IDEs
2016-11-07T17:23:32 < dongs> err, > 32k you mean flash?
2016-11-07T17:23:38 < dongs> obviosuly any of that would be >32k
2016-11-07T17:23:39 < Laurenceb> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-37897103
2016-11-07T17:23:42 < Laurenceb> fapfapfap
2016-11-07T17:23:57 < dongs> lol trollenceb i just saw this in another channel
2016-11-07T17:24:17 < Laurenceb> it wasn't me honest
2016-11-07T17:24:54 < dongs> why eles would he buy it
2016-11-07T17:24:57 < dongs> even mroe so if hes a jap
2016-11-07T17:27:01 < Laurenceb> Trump confirmed
2016-11-07T17:27:03 < Laurenceb> https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/
2016-11-07T17:29:30 < dongs> shit you write
2016-11-07T17:29:51 < dongs> theres soem sample projects , you needto provide lcdconf and lcdxconf or some other shit
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2016-11-07T17:30:06 < dongs> i dont like thier file naming at all so i just combined all the trash tehy needed into lcdconf
2016-11-07T17:30:08 < Laurenceb> holy shit these guys are doing some work
2016-11-07T17:30:10 < Laurenceb> https://www.iter.org/img/crop-2000-90/all/content/com/gallery/media/2%20-%20manufacturing%20underway/tf_f4e_impregcoil.jpg
2016-11-07T17:30:32 < dongs> is that emdrive
2016-11-07T17:30:44 < Laurenceb> worse, iter
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2016-11-07T17:37:22 < Laurenceb> my sides    https://media.8ch.net/file_store/cf589ea6dec5d7f2766d6d822f62751c8c175885837ea16f46cde7433a6d484b.png
2016-11-07T17:39:40 < dongs> you dont need that shit
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2016-11-07T17:45:47 < dongs> because openaids is what talks to stlink
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2016-11-07T17:48:01 < dongs> most likely yes
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2016-11-07T17:49:10 < dongs> eclipse only talks gdb protocol so you need either jlinkgdbserver or openocd+gdb combo
2016-11-07T17:51:15 < Rickta59> yes
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2016-11-07T17:52:49 < dongs> not clear in waht sense
2016-11-07T17:54:10 < dongs> englishman: no, tehre isnt
2016-11-07T17:54:21 < dongs> CC1/2 controls orientation and host/device swaps rx/tx pairs
2016-11-07T17:54:38 < dongs> every usb cable controller shit supports swappinghighspeed lanes
2016-11-07T17:54:55 < dongs> what about it? then CC will handle only one orientation
2016-11-07T17:54:58 < dongs> yueah? thats fine
2016-11-07T17:55:02 < dongs> it will know orientation at usb-c end
2016-11-07T17:55:05 < dongs> yes it d oes
2016-11-07T17:55:16 < KreAture_Zzz> hoy
2016-11-07T17:55:19 < dongs> englishman: the shit will be terminated in teh cable
2016-11-07T17:55:22 < dongs> with pullup/bulldown
2016-11-07T17:55:23 < dongs> or whatever
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2016-11-07T17:55:25 < dongs> there's only a single CC line
2016-11-07T17:55:34 < dongs> either at the A end or at the C end
2016-11-07T17:55:34 < KreAture_> dongs !  My sdram interface works :)
2016-11-07T17:55:37 < Rickta59> you have to configure it yourself R2COM ... AC6 is setup to do openocd
2016-11-07T17:55:39 < dongs> KreAture_: cool
2016-11-07T17:55:44 < dongs> englishman: ???
2016-11-07T17:55:50 < dongs> USB-C (round plug) has detection in any version
2016-11-07T17:55:54 < dongs> "half"?
2016-11-07T17:55:58 < zyp> englishman, CC will be terminated in the cable
2016-11-07T17:56:05 < dongs> what zyp said and i said
2016-11-07T17:56:10 < dongs> englishman: in usb 3.0 also
2016-11-07T17:56:42 < zyp> englishman, cable wires up usb3 to two of the diff pairs and terminates CC to indicate which, device detects CC and selects the correct ones depending on orientation
2016-11-07T17:57:01 < dongs> no dude
2016-11-07T17:57:04 < dongs> 3.0 also had round connector
2016-11-07T17:57:06 < dongs> and CC1/2
2016-11-07T17:57:06 < zyp> doesn't have anything to do with that
2016-11-07T17:57:25 < dongs> youre stoned
2016-11-07T17:57:29 < dongs> there's no "second" pairs
2016-11-07T17:57:32 < dongs> they're fuckign swapped
2016-11-07T17:57:34 < dongs> depending on cable
2016-11-07T17:57:39 < dongs> yes
2016-11-07T17:57:41 < zyp> englishman, it's not part of usb3.1, it's out of band, part of the usb-c spec
2016-11-07T17:58:09 < zyp> even usb2 only devices can detect orientation and swap if they want to
2016-11-07T17:58:39 < zyp> englishman, listen
2016-11-07T17:59:09 < zyp> each device is responsible for muxing to match orientation of the plug on its end of the cable
2016-11-07T17:59:34 < zyp> so for a usb-c to usb-c cable there's four different total possible ways of muxing
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2016-11-07T18:00:27 < zyp> for a usb-a to usb-c cable, there's only one possibility for the A end
2016-11-07T18:00:36 < zyp> so two total orientations
2016-11-07T18:00:48 < zyp> and the C end device will mux to deal with those
2016-11-07T18:01:23 < dongs> zyp knows his shit
2016-11-07T18:01:45 < dongs> no it doenst
2016-11-07T18:01:51 < dongs> orientation detection applies to any C cable
2016-11-07T18:02:06 < zyp> englishman, it's optional by spec
2016-11-07T18:02:39 < zyp> normally you get by by connecting both in parallel, but spec explicitly states that usb2 devices can instead choose to detect and mux usb2 as well
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2016-11-07T18:03:08 < dongs> ...
2016-11-07T18:03:17 < zyp> for usb3 devices must always detect and mux
2016-11-07T18:03:47 < zyp> 3.0 vs 3.1 doesn't matter
2016-11-07T18:04:04 < zyp> usb-c is a side spec and all the detection shit happens on the sideband CC line(s)
2016-11-07T18:04:18 < zyp> so it's identical for 2, 3.0 and 3.1
2016-11-07T18:05:13 < zyp> correct
2016-11-07T18:05:43 < dongs> there's chips that do all that in one thing
2016-11-07T18:05:43 < zyp> you get chips that got both CC negotiation circuitry and high speed muxes in one part
2016-11-07T18:05:47 < dongs> handle CC orientation and muxing
2016-11-07T18:05:54 < dongs> err fucking zyp
2016-11-07T18:05:56 < zyp> :D
2016-11-07T18:05:57 < dongs> stop typing same shit i say :p
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2016-11-07T18:07:46 < zyp> yeah
2016-11-07T18:07:59 < zyp> brb, dinner
2016-11-07T18:09:09 < dongs> yeah sorta liek that
2016-11-07T18:09:13 < dongs> what are you innovating iwht usb-0c?
2016-11-07T18:09:33 < dongs> yea im sure
2016-11-07T18:09:37 < dongs> blinkM-C r ight?
2016-11-07T18:10:09 < Kliment> I have a library that runs on the l0 and m4, and I'm porting to the m0. Which of the two should I start with? (it uses the ST HAL bullshit)
2016-11-07T18:10:53 < Rob235> why not 10
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2016-11-07T18:12:12 < Kliment> For 10 you need a much fancier crossbar switch and a host controller that supports it
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2016-11-07T18:12:50 < Kliment> Whereas you can relatively easily convert a usb3 port to a combined usb3+DP+PD C-port
2016-11-07T18:12:51 < Rob235> ahh, I was just talking out my ass, I haven't learned much about usb yet
2016-11-07T18:13:55 < dongs> no i  ts just an analog switch
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2016-11-07T18:14:41 < Kliment> Oh, you're asking what host controller is behind it?
2016-11-07T18:14:53 < dongs> bitbang on stm32
2016-11-07T18:14:56 < dongs> just ask KreAture_ 
2016-11-07T18:16:19 < KreAture_> lol
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2016-11-07T18:21:27 < aandrew> I'm so elite I bitbang my sdram accesses
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2016-11-07T18:25:10 < KreAture_> aandrew it's working :p
2016-11-07T18:25:19 < Kliment> aandrew: Your slow-data-rate-access-memory?
2016-11-07T18:25:42 < aandrew> Kliment: I think you mean SUPERIOR DATA RATE ACCESS MEMORY
2016-11-07T18:25:55 < Kliment> I don't think I do
2016-11-07T18:26:01 < aandrew> :-)
2016-11-07T18:26:26 < Laurenceb> oh shit
2016-11-07T18:26:27 < Laurenceb> https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/23724
2016-11-07T18:27:09 < Laurenceb> Podesta did Maddie confirmed
2016-11-07T18:27:53 < KreAture_> ?
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2016-11-07T18:28:16 < Laurenceb> my sides    https://media.8ch.net/file_store/cf589ea6dec5d7f2766d6d822f62751c8c175885837ea16f46cde7433a6d484b.png
2016-11-07T18:28:27 < Rob235> ahh usb c can do things like displayport and hdmi? thats interesting
2016-11-07T18:29:03 < Kliment> Rob235: Yeah, kinda
2016-11-07T18:29:34 < Rob235> what speed is hdmi? I've never looked into the protocol
2016-11-07T18:29:35 < Laurenceb> but muh Putin
2016-11-07T18:29:45 < Laurenceb> R2COM loves Putin amirite
2016-11-07T18:29:47 < ReadErr> http://hw-mobile.worldstarhiphop.com/u/vid/2016/11/cbQcpN4UD8QY_mobile.mp4
2016-11-07T18:29:58 < ReadErr> lol
2016-11-07T18:30:26 < Laurenceb> top kek
2016-11-07T18:32:21 < Rob235> ReadErr: I haven't finished it yet but that video is hilarious
2016-11-07T18:32:38 < Laurenceb> literally "worldstar"
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2016-11-07T18:37:19 < zyp> R2COM, so yeah, usb-c is pretty decent, already used in a bunch of smartphones
2016-11-07T18:37:50 < Kliment> USB type-C is problematic in many ways
2016-11-07T18:38:09 < Kliment> R2COM: I haven't found any
2016-11-07T18:38:20 < zyp> usb-c seems a bit more robust than plain micro-b and for OTG stuff it's way better
2016-11-07T18:38:49 < Kliment> It's great except that with PD an incorrectly-configured cable will damage your devices
2016-11-07T18:39:08 < Kliment> And there are four different kinds of C-C cables, all incompatible
2016-11-07T18:39:11 < zyp> Kliment, that's a load of bullshit, to be honest
2016-11-07T18:40:33 < Kliment> englishman: Full-active (for PD), full-passive (no PD), usb2, and thunderbolt active
2016-11-07T18:41:14 < Kliment> zyp: It's bullshit that there are cables that report they're capable of 3A PD but melt when you actually try to pump that through them
2016-11-07T18:41:18 < zyp> Kliment, the reported case of a defective usb-c cable breaking stuff had gnd and vbus swapped, that could happen in any usb cable
2016-11-07T18:41:31 < Steffanx> Why did you gone it englishment?
2016-11-07T18:41:55 < Tectu> Hi folks
2016-11-07T18:42:02 < Kliment> zyp: yeah, I'm talking about the melty cables, not the shorty ones
2016-11-07T18:42:33 < Kliment> englishman: intel's. And they look exactly identical.
2016-11-07T18:42:37 < zyp> Kliment, it's not like usb cables with too thin conductors are anything new either
2016-11-07T18:42:46 < zyp> just dont buy crap
2016-11-07T18:43:18 < Kliment> englishman: Thing is, just because a device has a usb-c port and another device has another one doesn't in any way mean they're compatible
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2016-11-07T18:43:57 < Kliment> englishman: And now that three different display technologies and two high-speed buses are sharing the same port, it's very likely they won't be
2016-11-07T18:44:10 < Kliment> englishman: So suppose I have a hi-res screen
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2016-11-07T18:45:19 < Kliment> englishman: Is it DP(which version?), HDMI(which version?), or DP-over-thunderbolt or raw-data-over-thunderbolt?
2016-11-07T18:45:30 < Kliment> englishman: The ports look identical
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2016-11-07T18:45:38 < zyp> Kliment, well, two usb-c chargers can be connected to each other physically, you wouldn't expect them to be compatible
2016-11-07T18:46:00 < Kliment> zyp: Sure, but if you have a host machine and a peripheral and a cable and they all fit you would expect them to work
2016-11-07T18:46:28 < Kliment> zyp: But maybe that's an external drive enclosure that run on TB and your device only has usb3
2016-11-07T18:46:50 < Kliment> zyp: Or maybe it's a monitor that has HDMI signaling but your port only support DP at that resolution
2016-11-07T18:46:57 < Kliment> ports*
2016-11-07T18:47:04 < zyp> yeah, sure
2016-11-07T18:47:13 < _franck_> Kliment: I think the host can find out what the device needs (billboard specification/Alternate mode)
2016-11-07T18:47:22 < _franck_> some kind of advertising
2016-11-07T18:47:24 < Kliment> _franck_: Which doesn't help you if it's not supported
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2016-11-07T18:47:58 < zyp> Kliment, I don't see how having a HDMI monitor and a DP port on your laptop that doesn't fit physically is any better
2016-11-07T18:48:13 < Kliment> englishman: Except those have 2x to 4x the data rate
2016-11-07T18:48:22 < zyp> englishman, they already do exist
2016-11-07T18:48:28 < Kliment> englishman: depending on which cable you use
2016-11-07T18:48:43 < Kliment> englishman: SSDs are fast these days
2016-11-07T18:48:48 < qyx> did anyone do a microsd switch/mux?
2016-11-07T18:49:05 < Kliment> englishman: Also, people are making external graphics cards again
2016-11-07T18:49:11 < Kliment> englishman: Those run via TB
2016-11-07T18:49:30 < Kliment> englishman: External PCI enclosures for various high-speed peripherals
2016-11-07T18:49:43 < Kliment> englishman: Now that apple is all about it, TB is sexy again
2016-11-07T18:49:46 < zyp> Kliment, the way I see it, the advantage of usb-c is that you get a shared physical form factor for a bunch of different applications
2016-11-07T18:49:48 < qyx> I need to switch a microsd card between an USB reader and a second dedicated device
2016-11-07T18:50:05 < _franck__> zip: +1
2016-11-07T18:50:19 < zyp> Kliment, I'm planning to add usb-c to something I'm designing
2016-11-07T18:50:28 < Kliment> zyp: I see the advantage, but I also see the support nightmare where even though everything appears to fit you need to check the device, the host and the cable for compatibility
2016-11-07T18:50:46 < zyp> it'll be a plain device only, for which I would originally have went with micro-b
2016-11-07T18:50:48 < Kliment> zyp: On the peripheral side it makes a lot of sense to use it, especially if you are an actual USB device
2016-11-07T18:51:09 < Kliment> zyp: And there's very few things that can go wrong in that setup
2016-11-07T18:51:28 < Kliment> zyp: And most of said things involve PD anyway, if you skip PD you're fine
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2016-11-07T18:52:05 < zyp> the advantage with type-c over micro-b is that I can make a smartphone app to configure this device, and the only cable I need to physically connect it is the same I'm using to charge my phone
2016-11-07T18:52:13 < qyx> zyp: do you a USB-C controller of some sort/mux? or just connect both sides of the conenctor together?
2016-11-07T18:52:19 < qyx> *use
2016-11-07T18:52:22 < zyp> whereas the old micro to micro cables are really rare
2016-11-07T18:52:31 < zyp> qyx, for usb2 you can just hook both together
2016-11-07T18:52:42 < Kliment> zyp: micro to a-female is pretty common
2016-11-07T18:52:45 < zyp> and just a resistor on each CC pin in the socket if you're device only
2016-11-07T18:52:58 < qyx> thats the 5K1 thing?
2016-11-07T18:53:58 < Kliment> zyp: C on USB devices makes a lot of sense. C on hosts and alternate mode peripherals is where the real problems are
2016-11-07T18:54:53 < Kliment> How is the mechanical robustness on C-connectors btw?
2016-11-07T18:55:12 < zyp> IME it seems better than micro
2016-11-07T18:55:27 < Kliment> Now that apple has dropped their magnetic pogo connectors will people be snapping off their connectors in the ports?
2016-11-07T18:58:30 < Kliment> I think the major reason to own apple hardware is that it's the only way to develop for the mac ecosystem
2016-11-07T18:58:40 < manuel_> also because it's nice hardware
2016-11-07T18:59:31 < manuel_> not really
2016-11-07T18:59:38 < Kliment> Nah, just iOS development is a large market, for example
2016-11-07T18:59:47 < manuel_> i have an asus a lenovo a macbook, i don't really care for the OS, i mostly develop in my linux vm
2016-11-07T18:59:55 < Kliment> A lot of music-related software is mac-only
2016-11-07T18:59:56 < manuel_> the macbook is the hardware that's the nicest to use
2016-11-07T18:59:56 < zyp> Kliment, you could do that on a hackintosh
2016-11-07T19:00:08 < manuel_> it's a bit underpowered but who cares these days
2016-11-07T19:00:10 < Kliment> zyp: I never got a hackintosh to run properly
2016-11-07T19:00:36 < zyp> Kliment, I'm using a hackintosh right now
2016-11-07T19:00:44 < Kliment> zyp: Neat, on what hardware?
2016-11-07T19:00:48 < zyp> been my main workstation for over four years now
2016-11-07T19:00:49 < manuel_> macosx is pissing me off lately
2016-11-07T19:01:02 < manuel_> i'm going to switch to win10 i think
2016-11-07T19:01:34 < zyp> R2COM, I replaced an imac with it, and I also have a macbook
2016-11-07T19:01:37 < Kliment> I met a theatrical lights guy the other day that is terrified of win10
2016-11-07T19:02:17 < Kliment> Because it's so difficult to prevent it from trying to install updates during a show
2016-11-07T19:02:40 < Kliment> I told him there's a way to schedule them at particular times, but I don't know if that's available on all versions
2016-11-07T19:03:28 < Kliment> zyp: So what are you running on?
2016-11-07T19:03:42 < zyp> Kliment, hang on
2016-11-07T19:04:00 < Kliment> R2COM: I think that's a decision that should be left to those doing the show, not an operating system vendor
2016-11-07T19:04:08 < zyp> I've got a screenshot of the shopping list somewhere
2016-11-07T19:04:13 < Steffanx> Kliment, hackintosh isnt that hard anymore to get running
2016-11-07T19:05:25 < Kliment> englishman: I thought they disabled the update-disable
2016-11-07T19:05:36 < zyp> Kliment, http://bin.jvnv.net/f/do43N.png <- this, plus a GTX670 and a Dell U2711 (that later got replaced on warranty with a U2713H)
2016-11-07T19:05:40 < Kliment> englishman: At least someone was complaining about it on another channel
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2016-11-07T19:06:37 < Kliment> englishman: Is that the scheduling or the actual disable?
2016-11-07T19:06:45 < zyp> Kliment, I originally considered an imac 27", but running the numbers I couldn't say no to the added flexibility, ram and performance from building my own in the same price range
2016-11-07T19:07:06 < Kliment> zyp: Yeah, if the OS works, of course you can get a way better config this way
2016-11-07T19:07:11 < Kliment> zyp: What currency is that?
2016-11-07T19:07:28 < zyp> NOK, pricing as of 2012
2016-11-07T19:07:47 < Kliment> zyp: So about /8 for EUR?
2016-11-07T19:07:52 < zyp> probably
2016-11-07T19:08:19 < Kliment> Norwegian prices are not as bad as I remember then
2016-11-07T19:08:27 < manuel_> the nice thing about macs is that they feel really nice
2016-11-07T19:08:36 < manuel_> the touchpad is great
2016-11-07T19:08:41 < Rob235> i love my mbp
2016-11-07T19:08:52 < manuel_> the touchpad on other notebooks drives me nuts, and i always use an external mouse
2016-11-07T19:09:15 < manuel_> after that, osx is decent, but win10 is catching up, and i work in a vm pretty much all the time for work, so whatever
2016-11-07T19:09:19 < Rob235> but i'm not a fanboy or anything, I have a galaxy s6
2016-11-07T19:09:26 < sync> I don't like all touchpads, the nipple mouse on thinkpads is perfect
2016-11-07T19:09:36 < dongs> faggots.
2016-11-07T19:09:36 < manuel_> nipple mouse is ok yeah
2016-11-07T19:09:50 < manuel_> but it tends to wear out my index finger after a while
2016-11-07T19:10:01 < Rob235> i really like os x and using vmware fusion to run my bootcamp partition at the same time
2016-11-07T19:11:39 < Rob235> manuel_: what mac do you have
2016-11-07T19:11:53 < Rob235> do you have the touchpad that doesnt actually click?
2016-11-07T19:12:05 < Rob235> I guess its the force touch one
2016-11-07T19:12:19 < manuel_> no, i think mbp early 2014
2016-11-07T19:12:22 < manuel_> it's two years old
2016-11-07T19:12:28 < manuel_> i think i won't buy a mbp for my next notebook
2016-11-07T19:12:53 < Rob235> ahh ok, my old one broke so I just got this one mid 15, the touchpad is a nice upgrade
2016-11-07T19:12:55 < manuel_> but that might be in two years or so this thing is running great
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2016-11-07T19:13:05 < manuel_> i wish i had 32 GB of RAM but there's not many notebooks that do anyway
2016-11-07T19:13:37 < Rob235> it doesn't actually indent, theres motors or something that make it feel like it clicks
2016-11-07T19:13:45 < manuel_> nice
2016-11-07T19:13:49 < manuel_> mine does get stuck at times
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2016-11-07T19:16:26 < Rob235> that also lets you set how firm you want a regular click and a force click to be. apple does come up with some useful gimmicks once in a while
2016-11-07T19:16:51 < manuel_> i'm a bit dismayed by osx
2016-11-07T19:16:58 < Rob235> what about it
2016-11-07T19:17:00 < manuel_> and all the little fucking popups and what not everywhere 
2016-11-07T19:17:12 < manuel_> it used to be a bit nicer
2016-11-07T19:17:30 < Rob235> I'm sure you can disable notifications?
2016-11-07T19:17:33 < manuel_> (i've been a user since 10.0)
2016-11-07T19:17:35 < manuel_> yes of ourse
2016-11-07T19:17:51 < manuel_> but it's like, itunes is even worse than it ever was, and there's cloud shit everywhere
2016-11-07T19:18:24 < manuel_> also i'm getting old and i don't give a damn about os upgrades, i'm mostly working in ubuntu 10.04
2016-11-07T19:24:11 < Rob235> ahh yea itunes, I never really liked it but music isnt really my thing so I don't use it much
2016-11-07T19:24:23 < manuel_> yeah it was just an example
2016-11-07T19:24:27 < Rob235> right
2016-11-07T19:24:50 < manuel_> of something wher enow when i'm using it i'm like "wtf, where are my albums? can't i just listen to an album? what the fuck is "for you"? what the fuck" and then i close it
2016-11-07T19:25:44 < Rob235> yea, always trying to get you to buy more music, the player and store should be separate
2016-11-07T19:27:48 < Rob235> anyway... time to get some work done
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2016-11-07T20:22:36 < manuel_> what do you guys use as IDE ?
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2016-11-07T20:32:01 < aandrew> https://twitter.com/polishprincessh/status/795340146266742784?s=09
2016-11-07T20:45:31 < Steffanx> yay aandrew
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2016-11-07T21:05:50 < Laurenceb> https://archive.is/gHUni
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2016-11-07T21:08:16 < Steffanx> 12
2016-11-07T21:08:17 < Steffanx> ?
2016-11-07T21:08:23 < Laurenceb> over 9000
2016-11-07T21:08:36 < Steffanx> 1 year max.: Killed by bullet.
2016-11-07T21:11:00 < Steffanx> and we'll have englishman, unvoted.
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2016-11-07T21:12:09 < Steffanx> oh, the canucks take over.
2016-11-07T21:21:28 < kakimir> I wonder if my canon d550 takes -10celsius for weeks in row while powered on all the time
2016-11-07T21:21:36 < kakimir> and taking pictures
2016-11-07T21:21:47 < kakimir> if it holds
2016-11-07T21:24:43 < Steffanx> Time will tell kakimir
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2016-11-07T21:36:21 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/50f2790f8d7c7302db2787fb12b04028a123286e38ace2ba1ac01245893dfdf9.png
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2016-11-07T21:40:04 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/PDLComics/status/795710387526078464
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2016-11-07T21:52:21 < kakimir> I wonder if my kis3r33s based power adapter or the mains supply will operate well in -10
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2016-11-07T21:55:37 < jadew> are the results out?
2016-11-07T21:55:40 < jadew> who won?
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2016-11-07T21:59:19 < kakimir> is it todays?
2016-11-07T21:59:41 < kakimir> crazy
2016-11-07T22:01:41 < kakimir> I try to set the biggest apperture to dslr
2016-11-07T22:01:57 < kakimir> is F28 the biggest in this one or the smallest?
2016-11-07T22:02:04 < jadew> smallest
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2016-11-07T22:02:43 < jadew> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F_word
2016-11-07T22:03:01 < kakimir> N word
2016-11-07T22:03:21 < jadew> funny feminism is on the list
2016-11-07T22:04:03 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgcpwCA8j4o
2016-11-07T22:04:18 < kakimir> when I want more post processing posibilities I should have RAW selected and neutral colors?
2016-11-07T22:05:47 < kakimir> there is things such as ALO
2016-11-07T22:05:57 < kakimir> and color temperature
2016-11-07T22:06:03 < kakimir> jezus
2016-11-07T22:06:59 < ohsix> Laurenceb: zoe quinn is doing an AMA today
2016-11-07T22:07:06 < Laurenceb> oh god
2016-11-07T22:07:09 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/ChuckTingle/status/795685397745438721 says chuck tingle
2016-11-07T22:07:17 < Laurenceb> memetic magic
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2016-11-07T22:17:09 < upgrdman> in altidongs, when making a schematic template, how do you unlock the titleblock area so you can delete/add lines/text/etc
2016-11-07T22:17:46 < upgrdman> o nm, doc opts > uncheck title block
2016-11-07T22:23:17 < kakimir> dslr outside
2016-11-07T22:24:59 < ohsix> hm freenode gone titty sprinkles
2016-11-07T22:25:09 < kakimir> intervalometer 5min interval
2016-11-07T22:25:21 < kakimir> sunrise will ruin exposure
2016-11-07T22:25:39 < kakimir> I wonder how to play with it
2016-11-07T22:25:59 < kakimir> without touching the camera but keeping concistent photo look
2016-11-07T22:31:40 < kakimir> maybe bracketing
2016-11-07T22:31:55 < kakimir> and a tonne of HDR photo generation
2016-11-07T22:32:14 < kakimir> then animation creation
2016-11-07T22:32:30 < kakimir> I don't even have machines to handle this
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2016-11-07T22:43:07 < Steffanx> i finally remembered the name of your business. I see it entirely ended manuel__. That's sad.
2016-11-07T22:43:12 < ohsix> hugin can do focus stacking and bracketing and junk
2016-11-07T22:43:35 < manuel__> well it's still on github and people contribute from time to time
2016-11-07T22:43:46 < Steffanx> ah ok
2016-11-07T22:44:40 < manuel__> but yeah i have no clue how to build a company
2016-11-07T22:44:52 < manuel__> i started a this startup when we were 10 people
2016-11-07T22:44:55 < manuel__> we're like 300 now
2016-11-07T22:45:00 < manuel__> that's how it's done
2016-11-07T22:45:37 < Steffanx> hehe, what company is this, or is this not public info?
2016-11-07T22:46:05 < manuel__> formlabs.com
2016-11-07T22:46:09 < Steffanx> nevermind, already found it
2016-11-07T22:46:10 < Steffanx> oh :P
2016-11-07T22:46:12 < manuel__> haha
2016-11-07T22:47:06 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-07T22:47:31 < manuel__> starting to be quite badass in deed
2016-11-07T22:48:27 < Steffanx> oh, you even moved to the us.
2016-11-07T22:48:29 < Steffanx> ?
2016-11-07T22:48:57 < manuel__> you're so stalking me
2016-11-07T22:48:59 < manuel__> yeah
2016-11-07T22:49:03 < manuel__> 3 years ago
2016-11-07T22:49:15 < manuel__> i still go back to germany 3 months a year and kept my lab and stuff
2016-11-07T22:49:25 < Steffanx> It's a yankeelander company, so.. 1+1 = 
2016-11-07T22:49:33 < manuel__> i still think about relaunching the midi controller stuff
2016-11-07T22:49:49 < manuel__> we have a factory in hungary and an office in berlin and shenzen though
2016-11-07T22:51:00 < Steffanx> And im not stalking, im just semi-good at remembering names + google "fu" ;)
2016-11-07T22:51:09 < manuel__> linked in
2016-11-07T22:51:11 < Steffanx> or you are terrible at hiding things.
2016-11-07T22:51:15 < Steffanx> That too.
2016-11-07T22:51:20 < manuel__> yeah i am i don't give a shit
2016-11-07T22:51:25 < manuel__> :}
2016-11-07T22:51:39 < manuel__> life is too short to worry about privacy
2016-11-07T22:51:49 < ohsix> are you on the tweeter
2016-11-07T22:51:59 < manuel__> nah, no social media really
2016-11-07T22:52:15 < manuel__> life is too short for that too
2016-11-07T22:52:22 < manuel__> what about you guys
2016-11-07T22:52:34 < ohsix> i am but only recently
2016-11-07T22:52:36 < manuel__> i'm in a compile heavy day so i have lots of time to chat
2016-11-07T22:52:43 < ohsix> there's a lot of bloggers and hackers that i already read on there
2016-11-07T22:52:56 < manuel__> yeah i guess it's nice to follow people who post interesting tech stuff
2016-11-07T22:53:00 < manuel__> people who make things
2016-11-07T22:53:08 < manuel__> did any of you look into rust?
2016-11-07T22:53:27 < ohsix> not yet
2016-11-07T22:53:45 < manuel__> really excited about it
2016-11-07T22:53:51 < ohsix> most of the stuff i hear about, whether i look at it is through the lense of 'can i run this on something with 64k ram' and it's not a lot of things :p
2016-11-07T22:54:12 < manuel__> yeah it's i guess the only language out there that's semi successful that can do that
2016-11-07T22:54:23 < manuel__> i mean besides C/C++ obv
2016-11-07T22:55:40 < manuel__> but the most of the "embedded" i do runs on an arm with 1 GB RAM and stuff
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2016-11-07T22:56:50 < PaulFertser> htpp://embed.rs/specs-of-rust-rc1.pdf
2016-11-07T22:57:08 < PaulFertser> http
2016-11-07T22:57:08 < manuel__> there'sa hackathonish event on nov 19-20 there's a bunch of people working on stm32 stuff
2016-11-07T22:57:33 < PaulFertser> Damn, it was a cool article
2016-11-07T22:58:07 < ohsix> heh
2016-11-07T22:58:19 < ohsix> which could be said about anything
2016-11-07T22:58:22 < manuel__> LeelooMinai: you mean debuggers and the like?
2016-11-07T22:59:02 < manuel__> ide support is definitely quite usable
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2016-11-07T22:59:31 < PaulFertser> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:tuRHvuukLsMJ:http://embed.rs/specs-of-rust-rc1.pdf%2Bembed.rs+specs+of+rust&hl=en&ct=clnk
2016-11-07T22:59:38 < manuel__> i tried both intellij and vscode
2016-11-07T22:59:41 < manuel__> both usable 
2016-11-07T23:00:12 < manuel__> nice, i studied at KIT
2016-11-07T23:01:06 < manuel__> LeelooMinai: the community is definitely quite active
2016-11-07T23:01:11 < manuel__> lots happening
2016-11-07T23:02:22 < manuel__> http://embed.rs/articles/2016/semi-hosting-rust/
2016-11-07T23:02:50 < manuel__> i haven't tried the eclipse plugin
2016-11-07T23:02:57 < manuel__> not sure what you mean by showstoppers
2016-11-07T23:03:10 < manuel__> i'm not sure if it's entirely production ready for stm32 but i'm considering it for my next firmware
2016-11-07T23:04:26 < manuel__> unclear
2016-11-07T23:04:41 < manuel__> i'm definitely not the person to ask
2016-11-07T23:04:45 < manuel__> yeah, that's always a concern
2016-11-07T23:04:58 < manuel__> i mean it uses llvm for the arm generation, so that's reasonably well exercised
2016-11-07T23:05:48 < manuel__> yes
2016-11-07T23:06:05 < manuel__> http://llvm.org/
2016-11-07T23:06:26 < manuel__> lldb, or gdb itself
2016-11-07T23:06:27 < ohsix> 'can i use eclipse' 'have a decent editor' heheh
2016-11-07T23:06:41 < manuel__> it's using the C ABI so you get decently far
2016-11-07T23:07:12 < manuel__> i'm using clion these days
2016-11-07T23:07:14 < ohsix> it's weird to use the word decent when you also have something to contrast it with that is very undecent
2016-11-07T23:10:12 < manuel__> for sure
2016-11-07T23:11:34 < manuel__> my man
2016-11-07T23:11:51 < manuel__> my woman
2016-11-07T23:12:29 < ohsix> well, you moved the conversation to something that wasn't the editor, so there's nothing to really talk about
2016-11-07T23:12:48 < manuel__> yes i know there's a few of those around
2016-11-07T23:12:59 < manuel__> i look at them renaming a variable
2016-11-07T23:13:11 < manuel__> closing vi, cd, open vi, rename, close vi, cd, open vi, rename
2016-11-07T23:13:41 < manuel__> passing function pointers around, struggling when inline functions, rewriting the same thing for uint16 and uint8
2016-11-07T23:14:08 < manuel__> while i happily extract variables to class members and use inlined generic functions inmy headers :]
2016-11-07T23:14:29 < manuel__> eclipse must have a fairly decent vi mode i'm sure
2016-11-07T23:14:49 < manuel__> usually ides have a good vi mode, a shitty emacs mode, and in the end it really doesn't matter that much anyway
2016-11-07T23:16:32 < ohsix> doesn't matter much indeed
2016-11-07T23:17:13 < ohsix> you're already cool if you're talking about refactoring
2016-11-07T23:17:19 < ohsix> eh i don't want your attention
2016-11-07T23:17:35 < ohsix> i'll be whatever strawman you want
2016-11-07T23:17:43 < manuel__> this went south quickly
2016-11-07T23:17:48 < manuel__> to each their own
2016-11-07T23:18:01 < ohsix> you have not provided an argument at all
2016-11-07T23:18:09 < ohsix> i said something was funny
2016-11-07T23:18:17 < ohsix> manuel__ said something eclipse actually does
2016-11-07T23:18:40 < ohsix> you win man
2016-11-07T23:18:43 < ohsix> woman
2016-11-07T23:19:01 < manuel__> alright
2016-11-07T23:19:06 < manuel__> what's the last stm32 you peepz used
2016-11-07T23:19:08 < manuel__> and what project
2016-11-07T23:19:19 < manuel__> <- rewriting some aspects of a DSP controller on stm32f4
2016-11-07T23:19:46 < manuel__> managed to get timing jitter from SDADC -> DSP -> ADC down to a gaussian of 3 instructions
2016-11-07T23:20:32 < manuel__> IDE debates are pointless
2016-11-07T23:21:26 < manuel__> at least on IRC where people have free will
2016-11-07T23:21:36 < manuel__> in a professional context things are different
2016-11-07T23:21:37 < manuel__> nice
2016-11-07T23:21:50 < manuel__> that's a pretty board
2016-11-07T23:21:54 < manuel__> what's the coax for
2016-11-07T23:23:16 < manuel__> i can use the tqfp 32 for comparison :)
2016-11-07T23:24:29 < manuel__> woah
2016-11-07T23:24:31 < manuel__> how
2016-11-07T23:24:51 < Rickta59> it must be nice to have small hands ;)
2016-11-07T23:25:07 < zyp> manuel__, nfc reader with usb-connectivity with stm32l052
2016-11-07T23:25:25 < zyp> manuel__, that was my last stm32 project
2016-11-07T23:25:27 < manuel__> wah
2016-11-07T23:25:29 < manuel__> nice
2016-11-07T23:26:43 < manuel__> you're crazy
2016-11-07T23:27:03 < manuel__> although i can see myself doing that
2016-11-07T23:27:06 < manuel__> of course
2016-11-07T23:27:24 < manuel__> i posted it in our EE channel (the bga) and people are "wat"
2016-11-07T23:28:07 < manuel__> oh company internal
2016-11-07T23:28:44 < zyp> 0201 sounds time consuming
2016-11-07T23:28:50 < zyp> not hard, just time consuming
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2016-11-07T23:29:46 < zyp> I moved away from 0402 for home reflow because they were too prone to tombstoning
2016-11-07T23:29:55 < zyp> and fixing them were too time consuming
2016-11-07T23:31:38 < zyp> probably mostly bad technique, it was the first board I designed for reflow, like 5-6 years ago
2016-11-07T23:31:58 < zyp> and oshstencil weren't a thing then either, I got some kapton shit
2016-11-07T23:32:46 < zyp> assembled ten of those and I got pretty tired of fixing tombstones, so I went 0603 for the next design, and I've never had a 0603 tombstone since
2016-11-07T23:33:07 < zyp> yeah, but cheap metal stencils weren't available in 2011
2016-11-07T23:33:25 < zyp> I've had metal stencils for all the recent stuff I've assembled myself
2016-11-07T23:33:44 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: i didn't disagree, it was a funny juxtaposition
2016-11-07T23:33:58 < ohsix> forget the funny, it was a juxtaposition
2016-11-07T23:34:22 < zyp> doesn't matter
2016-11-07T23:34:38 < zyp> I don't home assemble much anyway nowadays
2016-11-07T23:34:52 < zyp> easier to get shit done on a P&P machine
2016-11-07T23:35:34 < zyp> bullshit
2016-11-07T23:36:31 < zyp> not my problem either way, I don't have a P&P
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2016-11-07T23:37:17 < ohsix> nothing fun to see here, nope, nothing
2016-11-07T23:37:34 < zyp> LeelooMinai, because it's a bullshit argument? :)
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2016-11-07T23:38:57 < zyp> I never said anything about buying a P&P machine
2016-11-07T23:39:13 < zyp> I said I'll get somebody to run it on a P&P machine
2016-11-07T23:39:31 < zyp> said machine would presumably be all tuned and ready to go
2016-11-07T23:40:08 < manuel__> PaulFertser: https://github.com/embed-rs/embed.rs/blob/9b38deab5e1def9fe0350741037ed3c7c5ef56b7/specs-of-rust-rc1.pdf
2016-11-07T23:40:34 < manuel__> PaulFertser: thanks for pointing that out
2016-11-07T23:40:46 < zyp> LeelooMinai, good thing we got that cleared up then
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2016-11-07T23:41:40 < zyp> rust syntax seems so annoying
2016-11-07T23:42:05 < zyp> but that's what I thought first time I looked at python too, so looks may be deceiving
2016-11-07T23:42:27 < manuel__> anybody here using an instruction tracer?
2016-11-07T23:42:47 < manuel__> with ETM
2016-11-07T23:42:51 < manuel__> http://www2.keil.com/mdk5/ulink
2016-11-07T23:42:58 < manuel__> yeah
2016-11-07T23:43:07 < manuel__> that's why i'm asking before ordering one :)
2016-11-07T23:43:50 < manuel__> we had this weird thing last week where it kind of throws off our mental model of systick 
2016-11-07T23:43:55 < manuel__> (i asked about it on the channel)
2016-11-07T23:44:06 < manuel__> but the only way to check what's going on is probably ETM 
2016-11-07T23:44:18 < manuel__> there's some hacks to use a logic analyzer to record
2016-11-07T23:44:21 < manuel__> so we'll probably try that
2016-11-07T23:44:28 < manuel__> but that's probably fun for a day or two
2016-11-07T23:45:36 < manuel__> yeah i think so
2016-11-07T23:45:50 < manuel__> ulink pro nd is 1250
2016-11-07T23:45:58 < manuel__> it's first one i found
2016-11-07T23:46:24 < zyp> I remember I played around with a lauterbach trace32 at work once
2016-11-07T23:46:32 < manuel__> cool
2016-11-07T23:46:36 < manuel__> thanks for the hint
2016-11-07T23:46:59 < Rickta59> what do those jtag device offer over an stlink, if all you use it for is an stm32?
2016-11-07T23:47:38 < Rickta59> more tools .. like?
2016-11-07T23:47:44 < Rickta59> speed i don't care about
2016-11-07T23:47:47 < zyp> hmm
2016-11-07T23:47:58 < zyp> I don't think I ever used the trace32
2016-11-07T23:49:03 < zyp> who?
2016-11-07T23:49:17 < manuel__> Rickta59: ETM trace
2016-11-07T23:49:31 < zyp> oh
2016-11-07T23:49:43 < manuel__> LeelooMinai: you need the J-TRACE one actually
2016-11-07T23:49:58 < manuel__> so it's a bit more expensive (500 USD more) than the keil one
2016-11-07T23:50:00 < Rickta59> i guess i haven't found the need for that manuel__ 
2016-11-07T23:50:06 < manuel__> but i think that might be worth it for having SEGGER
2016-11-07T23:50:09 < zyp> manuel__, only if you need parallel ETM?
2016-11-07T23:50:14 < manuel__> zyp yeah
2016-11-07T23:50:16 < manuel__> that's what we have
2016-11-07T23:50:25 < zyp> manuel__, plain j-link can do trace via swo, I believe
2016-11-07T23:50:44 < manuel__> ah i see
2016-11-07T23:50:46 < manuel__> so same price
2016-11-07T23:51:06 < Rickta59> i can see if you target a wide variety of mcus or devices .. i just don't see the huge win for stm32 only dev
2016-11-07T23:51:20 < zyp> manuel__, what are you having problems with anyway? buying expensive tools just to debug systick sounds pretty overkill
2016-11-07T23:51:21 < manuel__> to debug faster
2016-11-07T23:51:49 < manuel__> zyp: something doesn't jive with our understanding of systick, we switched over to TIM7 in oneshot and there it behaves like we thought it would
2016-11-07T23:52:00 < manuel__> systick as a fake oneshot would trigger apparently twice, or something
2016-11-07T23:52:14 < zyp> manuel__, oh, yeah, I remember you mentioning that
2016-11-07T23:52:15 < manuel__> the problem being that's it a bitch to debug and if a single instruction change changes the behaviour
2016-11-07T23:52:28 < manuel__> but in general, it's a good debugging tool
2016-11-07T23:52:46 < manuel__> you have a timing bug, you run, you get a trace, you find the bug
2016-11-07T23:52:50 < zyp> LeelooMinai, especially not considering how rare breaking out the ETM lines is
2016-11-07T23:52:56 < manuel__> i feel it's probably like trying out a scope for the first time
2016-11-07T23:54:15 < zyp> LeelooMinai, how many cortex-m boards have you seen with the ETM port broken out?
2016-11-07T23:55:03 < zyp> how many boards have you made with the ETM port broken out?
2016-11-07T23:55:46 < zyp> in other words, it's rare
2016-11-07T23:57:00 < zyp> you'd have to go «in this project I'm planning to have a serious timing problem so I'll better break out ETM so I can diagnose it easily» while designing the board
2016-11-07T23:57:29 < zyp> the need for trace usually doesn't occur until after software dev have started and you've run into a problem, and by then you already have the board designed :p
2016-11-07T23:58:26 < zyp> it's also the easiest way of doing the initial flashing :)
2016-11-07T23:59:22 < manuel__> yeah but when you make a devboard
2016-11-07T23:59:28 < manuel__> you include all the freaking debug stuff you might ever want
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2016-11-08T00:00:50 < manuel__> i mean you know you're going to do 5 revs anyway before the final PCB
2016-11-08T00:01:04 < zyp> five? heh
2016-11-08T00:01:36 < manuel__> i think on this one
2016-11-08T00:01:42 < manuel__> we're at rev K
2016-11-08T00:02:10 < manuel__> oh i'm sure we'll find a way
2016-11-08T00:03:02 < zyp> okay, I'm probably doing very simple stuff by comparison, but the two proto runs before volume of my nfc reader is the most I've had so far
2016-11-08T00:03:44 < Kliment> There's always the greek, georgian, arabic and mongolian alphabets to go through
2016-11-08T00:03:57 < zyp> first proto run required antenna tuning and I messed up some stuff, and I also later added a connector, second proto run worked fine
2016-11-08T00:04:05 < zyp> only change for production was silk
2016-11-08T00:04:24 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Nah, I just like languages
2016-11-08T00:04:30 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Programming and otherwise
2016-11-08T00:06:29 < zyp> manuel__, also, have you tried SWO? are you sure SWO won't give you the trace info you need?
2016-11-08T00:06:42 < manuel__> just very short traces
2016-11-08T00:06:56 < manuel__> my colleague used ETB and got 1000 instructions worth of traces
2016-11-08T00:07:11 < manuel__> it's not the price holding me back really, i just wanted to know if someone was using that
2016-11-08T00:07:32 < manuel__> yeah he uses J-LINK edut
2016-11-08T00:07:35 < manuel__> no trace buffer
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2016-11-08T00:09:32 < zyp> manuel__, I mean, AFAIK you can control what sort of events are output via SWO
2016-11-08T00:11:21 < zyp> also, jpa- made some decoders for sigrok, if you have a compatible LA you could try that
2016-11-08T00:11:25 < zyp> https://www.sigrok.org/blog/new-protocol-decoders-arm-tpiu-itm-etmv3
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2016-11-08T00:13:13 < Kliment> http://essentialscrap.com/tips/arm_trace/
2016-11-08T00:13:26 < Kliment> Useful stuff on getting traces out cheap
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2016-11-08T00:15:19 < manuel__> cool
2016-11-08T00:15:38 < manuel__> yeah that all looks quite tedious though
2016-11-08T00:15:44 < BenderTheMan> So just one question before I jump of the bridge... STM32F030R8T6 doesn't have Vbat pin for RTC?
2016-11-08T00:16:00 < BenderTheMan> How is it keeping RTC when the power is off?
2016-11-08T00:16:02 < manuel__> thanks for the sigrok link
2016-11-08T00:16:10 < manuel__> BenderTheMan battery
2016-11-08T00:16:17 < manuel__> oops sorry just saw the question
2016-11-08T00:17:08 < zyp> BenderTheMan, well, presumably it doesn't
2016-11-08T00:17:21 < zyp> but I haven't looked at the documentation
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2016-11-08T00:17:38 < BenderTheMan> So how would I power the MCUs RTC without powering the whole 3V3 rail from the CR2032 ?
2016-11-08T00:18:16 < zyp> power the entire mcu separately?
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2016-11-08T00:19:04 < BenderTheMan> Separate powers with the 2 schotkeys, one from 3V3 and another from battery? And would that mess up the ADC reading since schotkey would drop the voltage by ~0.3V?
2016-11-08T00:19:39 < zyp> what does that have to do with ADC?
2016-11-08T00:19:49 < Kliment> BenderTheMan: The drop is no problem
2016-11-08T00:20:13 < zyp> ref voltage is unrelated to supply voltage
2016-11-08T00:20:16 < BenderTheMan> Oh, I have VDD and VDDA, my bad
2016-11-08T00:20:40 < zyp> you can't power vdd without vdda
2016-11-08T00:20:48 < zyp> so that's not going to work
2016-11-08T00:21:34 < Kliment> zyp: You can if everything is off but the RTC domain I think
2016-11-08T00:22:19 < zyp> Kliment, pretty sure power sequencing states that vdd can't be powered before vdda
2016-11-08T00:22:34 < BenderTheMan> So if power goes out, and VDDA goes off, and VDD is from battery now. Can I just turn off all domains except RTC?
2016-11-08T00:23:06 < zyp> from datasheet: VDDA voltage level must be always greater or equal to the VDD voltage level and must be provided first.
2016-11-08T00:23:19 < zyp> so no, that's not going to work
2016-11-08T00:24:02 < zyp> if you need vbat functionality for RTC, I advise you to pick a different part or maybe external RTC if that fits your application better
2016-11-08T00:24:45 < Kliment> zyp: Oh oops, you're entirely right
2016-11-08T00:25:31 < BenderTheMan> Dammit... this is perfect mcu for this but that Vbat is going to kill me :(
2016-11-08T00:25:41 < zyp> well, obviously it's not perfect :)
2016-11-08T00:26:53 < zyp> oh, hey
2016-11-08T00:26:57 < zyp> http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/0d/1d/ae/7f/f9/e8/41/65/DM00206898.pdf/files/DM00206898.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00206898.pdf
2016-11-08T00:27:05 < zyp> they've got an appnote for L0/L1
2016-11-08T00:27:21 < zyp> that doesn't have separate vbat either
2016-11-08T00:28:49 < BenderTheMan> My Main problem is that I have a lot of peripherials on VDDA and it's separate rail for ADC and opamps
2016-11-08T00:30:40 < zyp> nice for end use too
2016-11-08T00:31:23 < zyp> cortex-m0 doesn't have remappable vector table, which makes adding a custom bootloader painful
2016-11-08T00:33:07 < zyp> which is the main reason I've been using L0 instead recently (m0+ got some stuff m0 lacks, including that)
2016-11-08T00:33:24 < Kliment> yummy dac too
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2016-11-08T00:36:12 < upgrdman> for high-side current sense of 24VDC, anything a better value than TI INA199 series?
2016-11-08T00:54:00 < Rickta59> could you just the bootloader to ram zyp? and run from ram?
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2016-11-08T01:15:09 < upgrdman> anyone have a favorite easy buck converter ic that can do 24V -> 12V and 24V -> 3V3 ?
2016-11-08T01:15:57 < zyp> that RT-something I used last year maybe
2016-11-08T01:16:08 < zyp> or maybe 24V is too close to the limit
2016-11-08T01:17:10 < zyp> https://github.com/karlp/zypsnips/blob/master/regs-stepdown.txt
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2016-11-08T01:18:39 < zyp> oh, wait, I used RT7257B, that's only rated for 18V in
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2016-11-08T01:25:28 < upgrdman> hmm this looks decent and cheap  http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/631/ACT4088_Datasheet-345917.pdf
2016-11-08T01:25:40 < upgrdman> also 1.4MHz, such amaze
2016-11-08T01:26:49 < TheSeven> now give me that with integrated diode or even better sync rectification
2016-11-08T01:26:59 < TheSeven> why does nobody seem to build that for >5V in
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2016-11-08T01:37:34 < jadew> https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2016/10/27/ttc-ballet-campaign-gets-unflattering-review.html
2016-11-08T01:37:52 < jadew> "unhealthy body image stereotypes" hahaha
2016-11-08T01:38:13 < jadew> both the guy and the chick have perfect bodies
2016-11-08T01:38:43 < jadew> oh, there are more dancers
2016-11-08T01:38:49 < jadew> still, all of them are perfectly fit
2016-11-08T01:39:00 < jadew> yeah, they seem ideal tbh
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2016-11-08T01:43:51 < jadew> "“My experience as a racialized woman, as a fat woman, I’ve been called an f-ing fat black b---- on the TTC,” she said. “Is this video really moving me? Is this video at all depicting me on the move?”"
2016-11-08T01:44:15 < jadew> it's silly to assume that a movie can do what those people on the TTC couldn't
2016-11-08T01:46:09 < jadew> and apparently she had a TEDx talk where she complained about being 1) Fat. 2) A woman. and 3) Black.
2016-11-08T01:47:27 < BrainDamage> she can get surgery to fix all 3
2016-11-08T01:47:36 < jadew> haha
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2016-11-08T01:48:50 < jadew> you only have to stretch it, but I guess that could be an even bigger challange
2016-11-08T01:49:45 < jadew> I like all chicks, but morbidly obese is where I draw the line
2016-11-08T01:50:06 < jadew> mainly out of concern for my well being
2016-11-08T01:52:16 < jadew> yeah, I don't know how that actually works
2016-11-08T01:52:18 < zyp> blame orcad
2016-11-08T01:54:39 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXEi-mX4HcI
2016-11-08T01:55:32 < jadew> I learned something from that ted talk
2016-11-08T01:55:38 < jadew> *TEDx
2016-11-08T01:56:06 < jadew> it used to be a cool event where interesting people used to say interesting stuff
2016-11-08T01:56:09 < jadew> now it's garbage
2016-11-08T01:56:19 < jadew> and TEDx is even worse
2016-11-08T01:56:33 < jadew> as I was saying, I did learn something from that video
2016-11-08T01:56:40 < jadew> the word spitlets
2016-11-08T01:57:07 < jadew> I'll make sure to use it soon, so I don't forget it
2016-11-08T01:57:35 < jadew> stop talking so close, you're getting spitlets all over me
2016-11-08T01:57:47 < jadew> why would you buy that?
2016-11-08T01:58:01 < jadew> give me the money
2016-11-08T01:58:11 < jadew> I'll play chess with you
2016-11-08T01:58:13 < jadew> or worms
2016-11-08T01:58:16 < jadew> tons of fun
2016-11-08T01:59:33 < jadew> you want to spend $60 on a buggy game but you wouldn't spend a couple of bucks on worms reloaded?
2016-11-08T01:59:49 < jadew> reloaded?
2016-11-08T02:00:30 < jadew> reloaded is the best
2016-11-08T02:01:04 < jadew> bug in steam
2016-11-08T02:01:11 < jadew> it's actually 18:00
2016-11-08T02:02:40 < jadew> R2COM, do they have free ones?
2016-11-08T02:03:01 < jadew> so if you don't pay you can just walk around the station?
2016-11-08T02:03:34 < jadew> screw that, if I wanted to fly a ship that bad and I had to pay $50 to do it, I'd make my own game
2016-11-08T02:04:00 < jadew> why not?
2016-11-08T02:04:27 < jadew> I'm a pro programmer, that should suffice
2016-11-08T02:04:58 < jadew> + I got tired of making games before I even hit puberty
2016-11-08T02:05:09 < jadew> R2COM, I built games when I was a kid
2016-11-08T02:05:14 < jadew> it's what drove me into programming
2016-11-08T02:05:26 < jadew> I just got tired of it and started focusing on more abstract stuff
2016-11-08T02:05:43 < jadew> R2COM, did I mention I made games? from scratch?
2016-11-08T02:06:08 < jadew> R2COM, simple games, but the logic is similar
2016-11-08T02:06:23 < jadew> + I'm sure you can roll an engine in a couple of months
2016-11-08T02:06:39 < jadew> I only touched 3d a bit
2016-11-08T02:06:45 < jadew> because there was no hw acceleration back then
2016-11-08T02:06:55 < jadew> and I had to calculate it "by hand"
2016-11-08T02:07:06 < jadew> like I had routines that rotated points around
2016-11-08T02:07:16 < Fleck> it's called... in software, dooh
2016-11-08T02:07:35 < jadew> I said a couple of months for the engine and I think it's totally doable
2016-11-08T02:07:59 < jadew> if I didn't have other stuff on my plate, I'd consider it challange accepted
2016-11-08T02:08:17 < jadew> you can't roll out a perfect engine
2016-11-08T02:08:24 < jadew> but it would be enough to run a shitty space sim
2016-11-08T02:09:01 < jadew> most of the work is done by the card anyway
2016-11-08T02:09:35 < jadew> what do you mean?
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2016-11-08T02:10:17 < jadew> but I don't want a job as a game developer
2016-11-08T02:10:24 < jadew> I could have gone into that a long time ago
2016-11-08T02:10:28 < jadew> I find it boring
2016-11-08T02:11:06 < jadew> stuff that does actual work
2016-11-08T02:11:35 < jadew> I can't tell you about my last projects
2016-11-08T02:11:53 < jadew> since I'm working on something that's similar right now and I don't want to say what it is
2016-11-08T02:12:22 < jadew> for example, a browser is much more complex than a game
2016-11-08T02:13:35 < jadew> I haven't dipped my toes into that much, I started making a MMO bomberman once
2016-11-08T02:13:46 < jadew> but that might not be comparable
2016-11-08T02:14:04 < jadew> R2COM, so what?
2016-11-08T02:15:06 < jadew> a couple of months is more than 2 months
2016-11-08T02:15:17 < jadew> let me see wth arma is 
2016-11-08T02:15:37 < jadew> you probably overestimate what goes on inside a game
2016-11-08T02:15:59 < jadew> you're not calculating the whole universe if that's what you're thinking
2016-11-08T02:16:12 < jadew> you just keep track of objects and you do object colision
2016-11-08T02:16:13 < jadew> that's it
2016-11-08T02:16:33 < jadew> then you make sure you don't go through walls
2016-11-08T02:16:43 < jadew> I did make my own games
2016-11-08T02:16:46 < jadew> got bored
2016-11-08T02:16:58 < jadew> games are boring
2016-11-08T02:17:18 < jadew> well, I didn't care about money back then
2016-11-08T02:17:33 < jadew> and I don't think I would have enjoyed doing that anyway
2016-11-08T02:18:05 < jadew> R2COM, ok, I looked, you're getting fooled by good graphics
2016-11-08T02:18:34 < jadew> the only thing that's different between that game and what games would have been capable of doing 20 years ago, is how many numbers they can crunch
2016-11-08T02:19:10 < jadew> there are few complex games out there and their complexity doesn't come from the engine
2016-11-08T02:19:43 < jadew> R2COM, that's what I'm going for, but not in the game industry
2016-11-08T02:20:44 < jadew> you do realize that the games I made, I did them... 18 years ago+?
2016-11-08T02:21:03 < jadew> and the thing is I don't see game programmers with the same eyes you do
2016-11-08T02:21:09 < jadew> because I have friends that are game programmers
2016-11-08T02:21:28 < jadew> and I know what they're capable of and the type of nerds they are
2016-11-08T02:21:33 < jadew> hipster nerds if you can imagine that
2016-11-08T02:22:10 < jadew> precisely my point
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2016-11-08T02:23:28 < jadew> I was making a joke that I'd rather build it myself
2016-11-08T02:23:46 < jadew> do you really think I'd trade a couple of months to spare $60?
2016-11-08T02:23:55 < jadew> but I can
2016-11-08T02:24:15 < jadew> remember that discussion we had the other day about people promissing crap on kickstarter and not delivering?
2016-11-08T02:24:24 < jadew> if I'd promise you that game, I'd deliver it
2016-11-08T02:25:00 < jadew> no, I am a professional programmer
2016-11-08T02:25:06 < jadew> I know what I'm capable of
2016-11-08T02:25:41 < jadew> well, you're overestimating something simple
2016-11-08T02:25:58 < jadew> a simple flight sim can be easily done these days
2016-11-08T02:26:09 < jadew> and you can get all the detail you want for free from the graphics card
2016-11-08T02:26:12 < jadew> it's not a matter of engine
2016-11-08T02:26:21 < jadew> it's a matter of graphics and your skill to design it
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2016-11-08T02:26:30 < jadew> because inside your engine, it's still just a point in space
2016-11-08T02:26:58 < jadew> I don't have to design everything to know how it works
2016-11-08T02:27:03 < jadew> I looked into it at some point
2016-11-08T02:28:47 < jadew> tbh, when I said a couple of months for the engine I was inclining towards 6 months tops
2016-11-08T02:28:53 < jadew> 4 to 6 months
2016-11-08T02:29:36 < jadew> those are details
2016-11-08T02:30:51 < jadew> there are few things a single good dev can't do
2016-11-08T02:31:20 < jadew> most teams are mixed and the efficiency rises very slowly with more devs
2016-11-08T02:31:40 < jadew> and those A+ devs are actually held back most of the times by their teams
2016-11-08T02:31:49 < jadew> you get A+ teams in companies like MS
2016-11-08T02:31:49 < zyp> the mythical man-month
2016-11-08T02:32:38 < jadew> yeah
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2016-11-08T02:33:09 < jadew> R2COM, so to summarise, a good dev, if determined can achive what a reasonably big team can in less time than you'd expect
2016-11-08T02:33:17 < jadew> OR LESS
2016-11-08T02:34:16 < jadew> I can do reasonable engine to fly a freaking spaceship and have planets, stars and a station
2016-11-08T02:34:30 < jadew> yes
2016-11-08T02:34:33 < jadew> 1 year is huge
2016-11-08T02:34:46 < Laurenceb_> status: preparing fallout bunker
2016-11-08T02:34:59 < Laurenceb_> we either get the Trumpening or world war 3 with Russia
2016-11-08T02:35:27 < jadew> R2COM, I don't know, but that's old, there's tons of literature on the web now and again, the engine is not everything
2016-11-08T02:36:06 < zyp> jadew, doesn't you just grab unity and slap on some assets and some game logic nowadays?
2016-11-08T02:36:49 < jadew> zyp, I don't know what people do these days, but I haven't heard of someone writing their own engine in a while
2016-11-08T02:37:16 < zyp> same
2016-11-08T02:38:01 < jadew> I wouldn't set myself up for constraints like "same quality" - although, it could come up better, don't know
2016-11-08T02:38:14 < jadew> but I can do it, any decent programmer can
2016-11-08T02:39:51 < jadew> I don't know which part you're finding difficult to believe
2016-11-08T02:40:03 < jadew> I mean... which part seems impossible
2016-11-08T02:40:22 < jadew> are you taking into account that most of the time is spent debugging and weeding out crap?
2016-11-08T02:40:49 < jadew> and how much of that do you think you need for a simple space game?
2016-11-08T02:41:06 < jadew> space games are the simplest of the mall
2016-11-08T02:41:09 < jadew> *them all
2016-11-08T02:41:15 < jadew> you can go in either direction
2016-11-08T02:41:25 < jadew> you just don't have to hit the station or other ships
2016-11-08T02:41:44 < jadew> otherwise you just draw some objects
2016-11-08T02:41:54 < jadew> where exactly is the complexity in that?
2016-11-08T02:42:05 < zyp> how about a space game with n-body physics? :)
2016-11-08T02:43:46 < jadew> R2COM, just think about how you'd make a game and tell me you can't do it
2016-11-08T02:44:20 < jadew> especially one without any ground
2016-11-08T02:44:34 < zyp> R2COM, have you ever heard of game jams?
2016-11-08T02:45:39 < jadew> I made a game in 24 hours too, but then again, it's not 3D, so it doesn't cut R2COM's standards
2016-11-08T02:45:56 < zyp> IIRC surgeon simulator was the result of a game jam
2016-11-08T02:46:12 < zyp> yep
2016-11-08T02:46:15 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgeon_Simulator_2013
2016-11-08T02:46:28 < zyp> «The initial version was created in a 48-hour period for the 2013 Global Game Jam, but the developers continued and spent 48 days creating a commercial version released in January 2013.»
2016-11-08T02:48:18 < zyp> haha, I've seen that
2016-11-08T02:48:22 < jadew> that's more than you need for a space sim
2016-11-08T02:48:37 < zyp> yeah
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2016-11-08T02:53:03 < BrainDamage> did they deliver the "in ship" sim, or is it just a flight sim atm?
2016-11-08T02:54:07 < BrainDamage> some of the early claims included simulating the inside of ships, fps style, so you could board them and actually fight for control
2016-11-08T02:54:25 < BrainDamage> and any damage etc would be reflected on the "macro" game of flight sim
2016-11-08T02:54:47 < jadew> R2COM, I'm being realistic too, but I have a different perspective
2016-11-08T02:55:17 < BrainDamage> walk is not sufficient because it doesn't require interaction
2016-11-08T02:56:31 < BrainDamage> also the difficulty wouldn't be the phys engine, the difficulty would be the scale everything would be simulated at, and the amount of users
2016-11-08T02:56:51 < BrainDamage> you'd need to account for distributed computing from start
2016-11-08T03:03:30 < jadew> R2COM, I can show you something that I'm proud of and nobody else has, not sure it in the category of stuff of mine that you wanted to see tho
2016-11-08T03:04:10 < jadew> and by nobody else has, I mean nobody was able to implement as well as I did
2016-11-08T03:04:56 < jadew> let me record it
2016-11-08T03:05:37 < jadew> it's a demo of a feature
2016-11-08T03:06:50 < jadew> I actually mentioned working on it here, when I was working on it
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2016-11-08T03:12:57 < jadew> it didn't record the first time
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2016-11-08T03:21:04 < jadew> R2COM, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzhIjn9qyKs
2016-11-08T03:21:29 < jadew> not what you're probably expecting
2016-11-08T03:21:41 < jadew> it's part of a bigger framework I made
2016-11-08T03:21:48 < jadew> and it's all WTL based
2016-11-08T03:22:30 < jadew> there so other library this light that can do that
2016-11-08T03:22:51 < jadew> and it's only a small part of a pet project of mine
2016-11-08T03:23:50 < zyp> yo dawg, we heard you like docks
2016-11-08T03:24:10 < jadew> heh
2016-11-08T03:25:15 < jadew> I like that particular way of docking windows, I wanted the VS look, but without MFC or the other bloatware
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2016-11-08T03:26:56 < jadew> R2COM, how unimpressive is what I showed you? be honest
2016-11-08T03:27:19 < jadew> it's a complete brainfuck
2016-11-08T03:27:44 < zyp> https://twitter.com/misterbrilliant/status/794495951113220096
2016-11-08T03:28:12 < jadew> hehe zyp
2016-11-08T03:28:26 < jadew> R2COM, well, that took me 2 months
2016-11-08T03:28:43 < jadew> and I'd say the complexity was high towards very high
2016-11-08T03:28:56 < jadew> simply because windows
2016-11-08T03:29:32 < zyp> that kinda just looks like reparenting widgets
2016-11-08T03:29:36 < jadew> I'd rank a 3d engine lower than that, but more work
2016-11-08T03:30:01 < jadew> zyp, that's pretty much what it is, but I had to go through 3 versions before I was happy with it
2016-11-08T03:30:42 < jadew> I got it working the first time too, but it didn't feel maintainable
2016-11-08T03:30:47 < jadew> (same the second time around)
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2016-11-08T03:33:04 < jadew> it's not as easy as it looks
2016-11-08T03:39:45 < dongs> isnt that docking shit standard
2016-11-08T03:39:54 < jadew> nope
2016-11-08T03:40:01 < dongs> jadew: are you an active contributor to codeproject
2016-11-08T03:40:04 < dongs> wtl section
2016-11-08T03:40:34 < jadew> no, I made a contribution once, got a 2, a couple of years later a similar construct to what I presented showed up in boost
2016-11-08T03:40:45 < jadew> now it's in the stl
2016-11-08T03:40:53 < dongs> stolen codez
2016-11-08T03:40:58 < jadew> don't think so
2016-11-08T03:41:04 < jadew> but it demoralized me
2016-11-08T03:41:10 < jadew> it was a scoped_lock thing
2016-11-08T03:41:18 < jadew> I think that's what I called it
2016-11-08T03:41:29 < jadew> don't know why people didn't like the idea
2016-11-08T03:42:27 < jadew> if you're wondering if it's the same library with the one on codeproject - nope
2016-11-08T03:42:35 < jadew> I tried that one before I decided to make my own thing
2016-11-08T03:43:08 < jadew> in fact, that one has been forked quite a bit and there are a couple of versions out there, none seem to quite cut it
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2016-11-08T03:45:05 < dongs> 103C8, no?
2016-11-08T03:45:06 < dongs> yeah
2016-11-08T03:45:10 < dongs> should be like $1 or someshit
2016-11-08T03:45:13 < dongs> or close to it
2016-11-08T03:45:21 < dongs> 103
2016-11-08T03:45:25 < zyp> timing? success is about finding the right people at the right time
2016-11-08T03:45:27 < dongs> cuz economy of scale
2016-11-08T03:45:44 < dongs> F030 is fucking worthless, 48mhz and gimped M0
2016-11-08T03:45:50 < dongs> not in qfp cuz nobody buys
2016-11-08T03:45:59 < jadew> zyp, reading the backlog?
2016-11-08T03:46:12 < dongs> yes
2016-11-08T03:46:14 < dongs> but lemme axe about c8
2016-11-08T03:47:15 < dongs> the QFN  F050 i bought few day ago 6k of was around .50 ea ya
2016-11-08T03:47:25 < zyp> jadew, nah, I've been here all the time
2016-11-08T03:48:51 < dongs> englishman: 0.54 for box
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2016-11-08T03:57:37 < dongs> 1500
2016-11-08T03:57:38 < dongs> if C8
2016-11-08T03:57:41 < dongs> 250/tray
2016-11-08T03:57:47 < dongs> 6 tray/box
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2016-11-08T04:00:36 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/CloseWigglyAndeancockoftherock
2016-11-08T04:01:19 < upgrdman> :)
2016-11-08T04:01:51 < jadew> probably stopped
2016-11-08T04:01:58 < jadew> the paint got scorched
2016-11-08T04:03:01 < jadew> (and it wasn't before, so it's not something common)
2016-11-08T04:06:02 < upgrdman> why is one rectangular   https://imgur.com/gallery/s7aFl
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2016-11-08T04:07:24 < jadew> the other one might not be a toilet
2016-11-08T04:08:21 < jadew> looks like one tho
2016-11-08T04:08:37 < jadew> I think the guy who designed the toilet wasn't in charge anymore when they built it
2016-11-08T04:09:22 < jadew> the big one is obviously meant to be a toielt and the other one is probably meant to be a bidet
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2016-11-08T04:09:37 < jadew> but someone figured out that they should install a smaller toilet in there
2016-11-08T04:10:11 < jadew> either that, or the there's something that we can't see, on the other side of it
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2016-11-08T04:12:57 < jadew> the toilet is the spit-back type too
2016-11-08T04:13:40 < jadew> if you don't put toilet paper in there you get splash back
2016-11-08T04:14:09 < upgrdman> hey bro, i heard you like forklifts   http://i.imgur.com/tTmDc5d.gifv
2016-11-08T04:14:10 < jadew> must be awful to get that from a public toilet
2016-11-08T04:16:20 < aandrew> upgrdman: hah
2016-11-08T04:16:32 < jadew> pro moving company
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2016-11-08T04:30:18 < dongs> isnt that pretty standard procedure
2016-11-08T04:30:32 < dongs> except a lot of trucks like this have a lifting platform on teh back
2016-11-08T04:30:33 < dongs> at least in japan
2016-11-08T04:30:55 < jadew> in here it's the truck driver and the other guy
2016-11-08T04:31:00 < dongs> maybne o6 would chip in wiht his worldwide knowledge of forklift operations powered by google now(tm)
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2016-11-08T04:32:38 < upgrdman> nice airbrushing skills  https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/5bfylm/she_thinks_it_looks_great/
2016-11-08T04:33:20 < dongs> heh
2016-11-08T04:33:23 < dongs> thats jap delivery company logo
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2016-11-08T04:38:15 < jadew> do you have all the other games that are already ready?
2016-11-08T04:38:50 < jadew> if you never played EVE, try that first
2016-11-08T04:39:29 < jadew> I don't know, I only did PVP, it's not a first person shooter
2016-11-08T04:39:34 < jadew> but there's a lot of shooting there
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2016-11-08T04:40:05 < jadew> I was a pirate, I watched movies and hunted carebears and other pirates
2016-11-08T04:40:53 < jadew> does any of you remember the name of that first killboard?
2016-11-08T04:41:01 < jadew> eve.battle<something>
2016-11-08T04:41:24 < jadew> batleclinic... it's closed :(
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2016-11-08T04:43:27 < jadew> hah! https://zkillboard.com/character/1256189726/
2016-11-08T04:44:10 < jadew> that rank sucks, I used to be in the top 5000
2016-11-08T04:44:15 < jadew> that's my killboard
2016-11-08T04:46:03 < jadew> I only played it for the PVP
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2016-11-08T04:47:35 < jadew> I had a one man corp
2016-11-08T04:48:04 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-08T04:48:12 < jadew> I just needed it to declare war
2016-11-08T04:49:28 < jadew> don't know, I tried to stay away of all alliences
2016-11-08T04:49:54 < jadew> I didn't want to make too many friends
2016-11-08T04:50:45 < jadew> I lost all my isk on blink
2016-11-08T04:50:53 < jadew> that's why I quit
2016-11-08T04:51:10 < jadew> lottery
2016-11-08T04:51:22 < jadew> yeah :D
2016-11-08T04:51:36 < jadew> spent 2 billion + there and decided that's enough
2016-11-08T04:52:02 < jadew> R2COM, at least did they give you a picture of the ship?
2016-11-08T04:53:14 < upgrdman> R2COM, when are stream sales coming up?
2016-11-08T04:53:18 < jadew> I'm not sure if I had a POS
2016-11-08T04:54:03 < jadew> I'm tempted to play it again, but it's a waste of time and I really don't have any to spare these days
2016-11-08T04:54:43 < jadew> LeelooMinai, my main activity was looting :P
2016-11-08T04:55:00 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/f7zpaio6u6wx.jpg
2016-11-08T04:55:26 < jadew> even when I went to highsec, I would only go there to pick fights
2016-11-08T04:55:42 < jadew> haha, nice one upgrdman
2016-11-08T04:56:11 < dongs> is taht strsoup or wahtever guiy
2016-11-08T04:56:12 < dongs> guy
2016-11-08T04:56:14 < jadew> yeah, I was prepared for that too
2016-11-08T04:56:19 < jadew> dongs, yeah
2016-11-08T04:57:17 < jadew> what area where you in?
2016-11-08T04:57:51 < jadew> oh, I wrote a program that would read the logs from EVE and figure out where I was then create a chart of the nearby systems and display it on a second monitor
2016-11-08T04:57:54 < jadew> that was useful
2016-11-08T04:58:30 < jadew> I remember that station, but I couldn't tell you were it was
2016-11-08T04:58:35 < jadew> sounds caldari, but I'm not sure
2016-11-08T04:58:53 < jadew> ah
2016-11-08T04:59:17 < jadew> did you know Ouelletta?
2016-11-08T04:59:31 < jadew> that was my home system
2016-11-08T04:59:46 < aandrew> https://open.spotify.com/track/421Uv96CJrOQpKdVGnNF7f
2016-11-08T04:59:55 < aandrew> listening to that right now, gets good about 5min in
2016-11-08T04:59:56 < jadew> I just read the OCR thing haha
2016-11-08T05:00:24 < jadew> R2COM, into star citizen?
2016-11-08T05:01:02 < jadew> R2COM, what's your killboard?
2016-11-08T05:01:14 < jadew> oh
2016-11-08T05:01:27 < jadew> is it not with a monthly fee anymore?
2016-11-08T05:01:36 < dongs> free2gay model
2016-11-08T05:02:19 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I wrote something that was scanning the market and recommending good trade routes or what to build
2016-11-08T05:02:54 < jadew> it was an external program that was analyzing the ingame economy
2016-11-08T05:03:15 < jadew> I don't remember how I was getting the data tho
2016-11-08T05:03:52 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I distinctly remember having fresh data whenever I needed it
2016-11-08T05:04:01 < jadew> but I had to get close to those system
2016-11-08T05:04:04 < jadew> *systems
2016-11-08T05:04:20 < jadew> yeah, you command it
2016-11-08T05:04:38 < jadew> but the PVP is awesome
2016-11-08T05:05:26 < jadew> nice
2016-11-08T05:05:37 < jadew> there wasn't much to buy from my station
2016-11-08T05:05:41 < jadew> just my overpriced stuff :P
2016-11-08T05:05:52 < jadew> 8 mil isk shuttles
2016-11-08T05:06:44 < jadew> hmm, I remember some weird games in jita too
2016-11-08T05:07:13 < dongs> lemme guess
2016-11-08T05:07:22 < dongs> leelooman plays/ed EVE?
2016-11-08T05:07:28 < dongs> what a shock, autistic game and autistic player
2016-11-08T05:07:28 < jadew> dongs, correct
2016-11-08T05:07:34 < jadew> lol
2016-11-08T05:08:48 < aandrew> hm
2016-11-08T05:09:24 < aandrew> I'm trying to create a debug config in AC6 but when I click on "AC6 STM32 debugging" it says an error has occured "argument cannot be null"
2016-11-08T05:09:39 < jadew> Recommended for me (NSFW): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L49BuNkV-xk
2016-11-08T05:12:06 < jadew> the game?
2016-11-08T05:12:25 < dongs> what an ugly fat cunt
2016-11-08T05:12:28 < dongs> closed
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2016-11-08T05:12:54 < dongs> well yeah
2016-11-08T05:13:01 < jadew> I think there are more chicks there
2016-11-08T05:13:03 < dongs> YOU HAVE A POINT THERE
2016-11-08T05:13:19 < jadew> the other week I was getting some dancing chicks
2016-11-08T05:13:33 < wanderman> is it posible to complite typescript  to C++ ?
2016-11-08T05:13:46 < jadew> wanderman, not really
2016-11-08T05:14:45 < wanderman> :(
2016-11-08T05:14:52 < jadew> you could make use of variants I guess
2016-11-08T05:15:20 < jadew> I mean, you'd at least need a variable type that would behave the same like the js variables
2016-11-08T05:15:37 < wanderman> typescript is typed language.
2016-11-08T05:15:39 < jadew> then generics are not compatible with C++ templates
2016-11-08T05:15:54 < dongs> why try using all these newfag langauges?
2016-11-08T05:15:58 < dongs> stick to real pro stuff, C
2016-11-08T05:16:04 < jadew> it is, but it allows non typed constructs too
2016-11-08T05:16:05 < wanderman> :D
2016-11-08T05:16:25 < wanderman> i see.. ok jadew   i got your point.
2016-11-08T05:27:06 < aandrew> auuugh I fucking hate eclipse
2016-11-08T05:27:11 < aandrew> fucking piec eof shit software
2016-11-08T05:30:52 < dongs> yes, yes it is
2016-11-08T05:31:05 < dongs> i had to make a sw4stm32 projcet for a customer
2016-11-08T05:31:11 < dongs> using makefile + shit form my keil junk
2016-11-08T05:31:20 < dongs> i set it all up, made .cporject etc for th shit
2016-11-08T05:31:25 < dongs> shit broke on their end
2016-11-08T05:31:35 < dongs> apaprently some settings are not per-project but some syustemwide bullshit
2016-11-08T05:31:36 < dongs> fucking aids
2016-11-08T05:31:44 < dongs> i ship a single keil .uvproj and it works everywhere
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2016-11-08T05:35:03 < upgrdman> R2COM, when are stream sales coming up?
2016-11-08T05:36:49 < dongs> the fuck is a stream sale
2016-11-08T05:41:18 < jadew> dongs, it was a typo
2016-11-08T05:41:22 < jadew> probably meant steam sales
2016-11-08T05:41:29 < upgrdman> R2COM, k
2016-11-08T05:41:45 < upgrdman> jadew, re: your vid, this part would have been creepy as fuck IRL  https://youtu.be/L49BuNkV-xk?t=303
2016-11-08T05:42:04 < jadew> haha, yeah
2016-11-08T05:42:48 < upgrdman> also, i was expecting like one of the pole dancer girls to be a surprise guy with like a huge cock and balls. 
2016-11-08T05:42:54 < upgrdman> glad that didnt happen
2016-11-08T05:43:38 < upgrdman> i didnt want that
2016-11-08T05:43:43 < upgrdman> i expected it
2016-11-08T05:43:53 < jadew> last weeks recommendations were much better
2016-11-08T05:47:53 < upgrdman> kinda
2016-11-08T05:48:05 < upgrdman> but something fun and brightly colored
2016-11-08T05:48:33 < jadew> I want to get another world on sale
2016-11-08T05:48:43 < jadew> it's only 10 eur, but I want to pay less
2016-11-08T05:51:10 < jadew> speaking of good games
2016-11-08T05:51:15 < jadew> ori and the blind forest is nice
2016-11-08T05:51:34 < jadew> the definitive edition is what you want
2016-11-08T05:51:49 < jadew> R2COM, why?
2016-11-08T05:52:20 < upgrdman> R2COM, actually it wont be on sale, but im planning to buy the unreal tournament pack
2016-11-08T05:52:25 < upgrdman> and maybe the quake pack
2016-11-08T05:52:29 < emeb_mac> Fukuoka sinkhole!
2016-11-08T05:52:30 < upgrdman> i like me some arenas
2016-11-08T05:53:52 < upgrdman> dont think i'd like it
2016-11-08T05:54:32 < upgrdman> i like simple, direct, quick games
2016-11-08T05:54:41 < upgrdman> no story, no strategy, etc.
2016-11-08T05:57:11 < jadew> upgrdman, get worms reloaded :D
2016-11-08T05:57:27 < jadew> and you can play with me
2016-11-08T05:57:35 < jadew> after you get good at it :P
2016-11-08T06:00:03 < jadew> http://store.steampowered.com/app/22600/
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2016-11-08T06:22:15 < aandrew> hey i've got worms reloaded I think
2016-11-08T06:22:59 < aandrew> I'm 'anotherandrew' on steam
2016-11-08T06:23:58 < jadew> aandrew, I'll add you
2016-11-08T06:25:36 < jadew> kid with yellow tie?
2016-11-08T06:26:27 < aandrew> no
2016-11-08T06:26:29 < aandrew> oh
2016-11-08T06:26:30 < aandrew> yes
2016-11-08T06:26:32 < aandrew> duh
2016-11-08T06:26:52 < aandrew> http://mixdown.ca/dump/kidtie.jpg
2016-11-08T06:26:57 < aandrew> didn't realize it was yellow
2016-11-08T06:30:12 < aandrew> I forgot steam doesn't have a fucking clue how to use multiple monitors correctly
2016-11-08T06:30:42 < jadew> it's on a game by game basis
2016-11-08T06:31:31 < aandrew> ah
2016-11-08T06:31:34 < jadew> wanna play now?
2016-11-08T06:31:43 < aandrew> can't at the moment
2016-11-08T06:31:55 < jadew> k
2016-11-08T06:32:50 < jadew> haha
2016-11-08T06:32:51 < aandrew> oh that's not a problem
2016-11-08T06:32:53 < aandrew> I ahve no money to gamble
2016-11-08T06:32:56 < jadew> I'm not a gambler
2016-11-08T06:33:04 < aandrew> he is .ro though, I have learned through marriage not to trust them anyway
2016-11-08T06:33:11 < jadew> haha
2016-11-08T06:33:23 < jadew> LeelooMinai, seemed safe :P
2016-11-08T06:33:53 < jadew> I figured that "this is something I wouldn't do in real life, let's see how it goes"
2016-11-08T06:34:06 < jadew> I won about 1 bil and then lost that + everything else
2016-11-08T06:35:00 < jadew> wow
2016-11-08T06:35:16 < jadew> that's a more than I destroyed :P
2016-11-08T06:37:12 < jadew> I saved my money for ships
2016-11-08T06:38:12 < jadew> I was losing them quite often :)
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2016-11-08T06:45:22 < dongs> if I end up getting vive im gonna have to fucking make a steam ID
2016-11-08T06:46:53 < jadew> dongs, I'm gonna wait for the next version
2016-11-08T06:47:07 < jadew> whenever that'll be, it's probably going to be improved
2016-11-08T06:47:54 < ohsix> jadew: anything cool in the buffer?
2016-11-08T06:48:17 < jadew> ohsix, chilling
2016-11-08T06:48:29 < ohsix> werd
2016-11-08T06:48:39 < jadew> LeelooMinai, nice
2016-11-08T06:49:29 < ohsix> i saw zyp and jadew talking and stuff, i'm not actually reading it anymore, asking them if something interesting happened :p
2016-11-08T06:50:06 < ohsix> eevblag mailbag has a neat speech synthesizer from namco
2016-11-08T06:50:38 < ohsix> looks like i got some paid work on some stuff going on at the hacker space :>
2016-11-08T06:51:24 < ohsix> not too far from the truth
2016-11-08T06:51:36 < ohsix> since i actually turned the 3d printer on and di some stuff with it,  now people want me to print stuff
2016-11-08T06:51:43 < ohsix> but there's some other stuff
2016-11-08T06:52:26 < ohsix> eh, longer story than i care to spend tiem on at the moment
2016-11-08T06:52:27 < ohsix> but yes
2016-11-08T06:52:55 < ohsix> there's a guy that basically hangs out at the lab so people have access to it, he works like 12 hours a day, he keeps the lab, other people that use the lab do stuff
2016-11-08T06:54:30 < ohsix> yes
2016-11-08T06:57:42 < jadew> anyone wants to place bets on who's gonna win the elections?
2016-11-08T06:58:08 < dongs> trump
2016-11-08T06:58:11 < dongs> you dont need to bet
2016-11-08T06:58:31 < dongs> its going to be a landslide victory
2016-11-08T07:01:12 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I don't think that's true
2016-11-08T07:04:06 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I have this feeling that the offended crowd is just a vocal minority, but I can't know that for sure
2016-11-08T07:05:21 < jadew> but he got a nobel prize
2016-11-08T07:06:55 < ohsix> 'elaborate impotence'
2016-11-08T07:07:44 < ohsix> they are already insane and it is not fun
2016-11-08T07:08:25 < ohsix> good one
2016-11-08T07:08:30 < jadew> where do eschimos live?
2016-11-08T07:09:03 < ohsix> canada has a great history with aborigines
2016-11-08T07:09:11 < ohsix> ask any canadian
2016-11-08T07:11:54 < ohsix> i hope it doesn't go to 2am again before anything definitive
2016-11-08T07:13:16 < ReadErr> tune in to the LRH for you live and breaking coverage, tomorrow
2016-11-08T07:13:43 < ohsix> heh
2016-11-08T07:14:04 < ohsix> rather be with the smart and aloof funny people, getting more cynical
2016-11-08T07:16:09 < ReadErr> im catching up on shameless
2016-11-08T07:16:14 < ReadErr> didnt realize s07 started
2016-11-08T07:16:31 < ohsix> is it worth the time?
2016-11-08T07:16:36 < ReadErr> ya I like it
2016-11-08T07:16:47 < ohsix> be honest, 7 seasons is a lot
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2016-11-08T07:16:56 < ReadErr> Ive seen up to 6
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2016-11-08T07:17:35 < ohsix> is it a 'skip s1 and 2' situation? is it uneven, are there seasons to skip
2016-11-08T07:18:08 < ReadErr> ehh nah you just gotta watch it though 
2016-11-08T07:18:11 < ohsix> k
2016-11-08T07:18:21 < ohsix> i've been meaning to get it but i seem to forget instantly
2016-11-08T07:18:29 < ohsix> william h macy is my bro
2016-11-08T07:18:47 < ohsix> have you seen The Cooler? and fargo :<<<
2016-11-08T07:19:01 < ReadErr> nah
2016-11-08T07:19:08 < jadew> tourism agency: http://188.25.32.58/stuff/20161105_184320.jpg
2016-11-08T07:20:04 < ohsix> jadew: haha nice
2016-11-08T07:20:15 < ohsix> there's like a scene for those now, too
2016-11-08T07:20:30 < ohsix> strip clubs and stuff in oregon print similar stuff
2016-11-08T07:20:51 < jadew> this was a legic tourism agency
2016-11-08T07:20:58 < ohsix> ya
2016-11-08T07:21:02 < jadew> *legit
2016-11-08T07:21:41 < ohsix> small publishing industry stuff, you can tell by simple text layout and stuff on the cover
2016-11-08T07:21:52 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-08T07:22:48 < ohsix> i see a ton of them when i'm looking at warez releases from the past month :>
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2016-11-08T07:25:49 < jadew> I have to go to sleep so I can wake up in time and pay a fine
2016-11-08T07:25:53 < jadew> night
2016-11-08T07:25:56 < ohsix> omg hugh mungous needs help
2016-11-08T07:26:00 < ohsix> jadew: o/
2016-11-08T07:31:28 < ohsix> ReadErr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeGAnQ6DyJs
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2016-11-08T07:43:47 < aandrew> m
2016-11-08T07:43:49 < aandrew> hm
2016-11-08T07:44:05 < aandrew> anyone ever run into FreeRTOS exploding when OsDelay() is used?
2016-11-08T07:44:43 < ohsix> yes but they're not here HUHUU
2016-11-08T07:45:04 < aandrew> hahahhaha
2016-11-08T07:45:08 < ohsix> what uh, what's the#define settings you have for features, like tickless and stuff
2016-11-08T07:45:08 < dongs> you must have enabled the leelooman dickless mode
2016-11-08T07:45:15 < dongs> you ENABLER you
2016-11-08T07:45:51 < ohsix> is this still the same thing you were talking about a few days ago?
2016-11-08T07:46:16 < aandrew> a while
2016-11-08T07:47:07 < ohsix> gimme defines, got a bit of time & need to read freertos anyways
2016-11-08T07:47:31 < aandrew> when single stepping it seems to work fine (bouncing around threads, there's only one)
2016-11-08T07:47:35 < aandrew> ok
2016-11-08T07:47:39 < aandrew> hang on a moment
2016-11-08T07:47:42 < aandrew> I'm a bit out of practise
2016-11-08T07:48:32 < aandrew> you want the freertosconfig.h?
2016-11-08T07:48:54 < ohsix> ya i guess, i'm not sure where you define the stuff built into freertos, just that you do
2016-11-08T07:49:28 < aandrew> yeah it's just built out of the standard cube
2016-11-08T07:49:34 < ohsix> ah k
2016-11-08T07:49:47 < ohsix> i need to update anyways
2016-11-08T07:50:03 < jpa-> aandrew: in what way is it exploding?
2016-11-08T07:50:31 < aandrew> jpa-: everythign works until OsDelay(250) and then it get stuck in an endless loop
2016-11-08T07:50:52 < aandrew> one of the exception handlers is my guess, I had broken out all the most likely ones but they're not tripping
2016-11-08T07:51:02 < aandrew> ohsix: http://pastebin.com/kZeJLcRF is my FreeRTOSConfig.h
2016-11-08T07:51:16 < jpa-> aandrew: and when you break in a debugger, where is it?
2016-11-08T07:51:48 < aandrew> it's stuck in Infinite_Loop in the startup_stm32f207xx.s file
2016-11-08T07:51:52 < aandrew> hang on I thought i got farther before
2016-11-08T07:52:00 < ohsix> STM32CubeMX Software Update Start Now
2016-11-08T07:52:06 < ohsix> yes go! huhhuhu
2016-11-08T07:52:35 < aandrew> *nods*
2016-11-08T07:52:39 < aandrew> that's why I'd broken them out before
2016-11-08T07:52:41 < aandrew> hang on though
2016-11-08T07:53:44 < aandrew> SysTick_Handler() is operating as expected
2016-11-08T07:53:47 < ohsix> ooh what is 'hal ll'
2016-11-08T07:53:49 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: yes I have that there too :-)
2016-11-08T07:54:25 < aandrew> moment, catching myself back up :-)
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2016-11-08T07:54:32 < ohsix> freertos might jump to infinite loop by itself too
2016-11-08T07:54:38 < ohsix> might not be exception
2016-11-08T07:54:51 < aandrew> hm
2016-11-08T07:54:54 < aandrew> I did break all these out
2016-11-08T07:54:57 < aandrew> none of the handlers are getting hit
2016-11-08T07:55:37 < aandrew> nope
2016-11-08T07:55:40 < aandrew> none of the handlers are getting hit
2016-11-08T07:55:50 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: startup_stm32f207xx.s
2016-11-08T07:56:05 < jpa-> aandrew: maybe it is just using the infinite loop as your idle thread?
2016-11-08T07:56:19 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I've got all the common handlers in their own while(1); and I break on that to see if a handler got hit
2016-11-08T07:56:20 < jpa-> not sure how cube configures it
2016-11-08T07:56:23 < aandrew> jpa-: hm
2016-11-08T07:56:55 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: correct, that's what I was going through
2016-11-08T07:57:05 < dongs> cool cube, bro
2016-11-08T07:57:06 < aandrew> time to add some more functions to break on
2016-11-08T07:57:58 < aandrew> yes, this is very close to where I stoped last time
2016-11-08T07:58:35 < ohsix> yea you should just be able to read it in the def handler
2016-11-08T07:59:36 < aandrew> IPSR si 0x03
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2016-11-08T08:00:12 < aandrew> none of these registers has a value that would make sense if you subtract 165
2016-11-08T08:00:14 < aandrew> er 16
2016-11-08T08:00:31 < aandrew> shouldn't be hardfault, I have that separately b roken out
2016-11-08T08:01:08 < aandrew> yeah
2016-11-08T08:01:17 < aandrew> I have some asm code and a function to unwind the stack
2016-11-08T08:01:46 < aandrew> http://pastebin.com/N5FgjA4e
2016-11-08T08:02:11 < aandrew> but you see that I use while(1) in HardFault_Handler and I'm not getting caught there
2016-11-08T08:02:22 < aandrew> unless I've fucked up the declaration and it's not actually overriding the weak default
2016-11-08T08:02:48 < aandrew> hm
2016-11-08T08:02:51 < aandrew> I just noticed
2016-11-08T08:03:13 < aandrew> I can't break anywhere on my HardFault_Handler nor on prvGetRegistersFromStack
2016-11-08T08:03:44 < dongs> dat gcc
2016-11-08T08:04:38 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: sure: http://pastebin.com/BJALkYDT
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2016-11-08T08:07:43 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: in the _it.c file where I also broke out a bunch of other handlers that I can break on
2016-11-08T08:10:06 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: no, just -O0 and -g
2016-11-08T08:11:17 < aandrew> I do have -gc-sections but that shouldn't be affecting this
2016-11-08T08:11:28 < aandrew> I just removed -funciton-sections and -data-sections
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2016-11-08T08:13:32 < aandrew> there, I have a breakpoint available now in hardfault
2016-11-08T08:13:34 < aandrew> let's see
2016-11-08T08:13:43 < aandrew> it should still not be getting to Infinite_Loop
2016-11-08T08:13:51 < aandrew> nope
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2016-11-08T08:14:03 < aandrew> unless I'm doing somethign incredibly stupid it's not a HardFault
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2016-11-08T08:16:47 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: *nods*
2016-11-08T08:16:56 < aandrew> this seems like different operation from before
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2016-11-08T08:18:17 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Update-POS-system-only-runs/
2016-11-08T08:18:21 < dongs> job 4 o6
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2016-11-08T08:19:36 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: you're right
2016-11-08T08:19:44 < aandrew> it absolutely is hardfault
2016-11-08T08:19:57 < aandrew> I created a Default_Handler2 and routed HardFault_Handler to it
2016-11-08T08:19:59 < dongs> i could have told y ou taht
2016-11-08T08:20:00 < aandrew> that's where it's looped
2016-11-08T08:20:10 < dongs> i dunno about y our shitty IDE but
2016-11-08T08:20:18 < dongs> when I put a breakpoint into hardfault thing that b's to default handler
2016-11-08T08:20:21 < dongs> it stops there first
2016-11-08T08:20:25 < dongs> before going to a catchall
2016-11-08T08:20:36 < dongs> (keil)
2016-11-08T08:20:50 < dongs> then again keil almost never hardfaults
2016-11-08T08:21:09 < aandrew> dongs: if I were to break on the actual vector I'm sure it would do the same
2016-11-08T08:21:15 < dongs> why didnt you
2016-11-08T08:21:53 < aandrew> apparently not
2016-11-08T08:22:17 < aandrew> dongs: I wasn't sure on ARM if it just read the vector or if the vector was a JMP instruction
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2016-11-08T08:23:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/BIUq1dv.png this is waht cmsis startup shit looks like so
2016-11-08T08:23:54 < dongs> i just break there and it works
2016-11-08T08:24:18 < dongs> is gcc startup different or something
2016-11-08T08:24:27 < dongs> cubestartup(tm)
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2016-11-08T08:26:52 < aandrew> hm
2016-11-08T08:26:59 < aandrew> even at teh end of main() in main.c, same thing
2016-11-08T08:29:21 < aandrew> yes
2016-11-08T08:29:31 < aandrew> you know
2016-11-08T08:29:34 < aandrew> this is with a different compiler
2016-11-08T08:29:53 < aandrew> 5.4.1
2016-11-08T08:30:52 < aandrew> old compiler was 4.9.3
2016-11-08T08:31:01 < aandrew> for the hardfault handler?
2016-11-08T08:31:06 < aandrew> zomg
2016-11-08T08:31:50 < aandrew> that was it
2016-11-08T08:31:56 < aandrew> unbelievable.
2016-11-08T08:32:24 < aandrew> yes
2016-11-08T08:32:25 < aandrew> moment
2016-11-08T08:32:30 < aandrew> I can't believe that was it
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2016-11-08T08:33:07 < aandrew> ok
2016-11-08T08:33:15 < aandrew> let's see if this makes any more sense
2016-11-08T08:33:31 < aandrew> pc was 0x80008f4, what's that in
2016-11-08T08:34:19 < aandrew> yep
2016-11-08T08:34:39 < aandrew> it's hung in the lwip code
2016-11-08T08:36:42 < aandrew> ok we're getting somewhere
2016-11-08T08:36:47 < aandrew> low_level_output() in LWIP
2016-11-08T08:36:52 < aandrew> so writing to the phy
2016-11-08T08:36:57 < aandrew> er rather mac
2016-11-08T08:37:37 < aandrew> thank you
2016-11-08T08:37:54 < aandrew> I added that static when I added the __attribute__((naked))
2016-11-08T08:38:01 < aandrew> becaues what I was seeing before wasn't making sense
2016-11-08T08:38:11 < aandrew> I didn't think about the implication of static there. stupid.
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2016-11-08T08:40:21 < ohsix> hung like a lwip
2016-11-08T08:40:53 < ohsix> aandrew: niiice haha
2016-11-08T08:41:02 < ohsix> ya static removes !module visibility
2016-11-08T08:46:15 < aandrew> yeah I know
2016-11-08T08:46:18 < aandrew> fucking rookie mistake
2016-11-08T08:46:22 < ohsix> The Low Layer APIs (LL) offering a fast light-weight expert-oriented layer which is closer to the 
2016-11-08T08:46:22 < ohsix> hardware than the HAL. The LL APIs are available only for a set of peripherals. 
2016-11-08T08:46:38 < ohsix> expert oriented > object oriented? :p
2016-11-08T08:46:39 < aandrew> as soon as LeelooMinai pointed it out I was like "wtf did I put that in there for?!"
2016-11-08T08:50:56 < aandrew> you getting into a different form of computing? :-)
2016-11-08T08:54:47 < aandrew> when I had a contract at Perceptron
2016-11-08T08:54:58 < aandrew> they were bouncing a laser off of a single-mirror DLP
2016-11-08T08:55:08 < aandrew> basically to paint a line wherever tehy wanted
2016-11-08T08:55:19 < aandrew> the guy I worked under was a PhD from India
2016-11-08T08:55:28 < aandrew> he used to work on the nuclear weapon detectors
2016-11-08T08:55:37 < aandrew> s/weapon/material/
2016-11-08T08:55:39 < aandrew> anwyay
2016-11-08T08:56:05 < aandrew> he recognized that perceptron would never use it for anything more than metrology
2016-11-08T08:57:15 < aandrew> but he wanted to use a different kind of laser and camera to bounce the light off of people's skin to detect certain anomalies that illness could cause
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2016-11-08T09:00:25 < aandrew> haha no
2016-11-08T09:00:34 < aandrew> it was crazy when i interviewed there though
2016-11-08T09:00:47 < aandrew> dr this, dr that, dr the other... all math/physics stuff
2016-11-08T09:01:02 < aandrew> I todl them that I dont' understand the math but if they can tell me what they want the device to do I can do it
2016-11-08T09:01:12 < aandrew> they just said that's fine, they know the math and welcome tot he team
2016-11-08T09:01:17 < aandrew> it was a pretty nice contract
2016-11-08T09:01:33 < aandrew> except for hte one engineer I'm convinced was interested in me more than professionally
2016-11-08T09:02:05 < aandrew> well
2016-11-08T09:02:08 < aandrew> he was the only indian there
2016-11-08T09:02:15 < aandrew> all the other guys were corn-fed american types
2016-11-08T09:04:15 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: The preparation is where you cut/squish your samples and then stain them
2016-11-08T09:04:20 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: The staining can take a long time
2016-11-08T09:04:32 < aandrew> hm
2016-11-08T09:04:40 < aandrew> it sends one packet fine, then the next seems to go off into the weeds
2016-11-08T09:04:49 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: If you need to freeze and cut samples, that also takes time
2016-11-08T09:04:51 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Yeah
2016-11-08T09:05:46 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Depending on the stain used it will attach to objects of interest, for example some stains only attach to the cell walls
2016-11-08T09:05:59 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: So you can see the shape of the cells easily
2016-11-08T09:06:22 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: The ones usually used, no
2016-11-08T09:06:42 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: But there are some specialized ones, like some that attach to only particular bits of DNA
2016-11-08T09:06:59 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: So you can see, on the microscope, where those bits of DNA have been expressed
2016-11-08T09:07:20 < aandrew> q->next is wrong
2016-11-08T09:07:47 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: When we did our lab training in that sort of thing, we used one of those to see where hair follicles were on rat skin
2016-11-08T09:08:36 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: You can definitely learn something. But yeah, start with a set of pre-prepared samples
2016-11-08T09:09:20 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: There are "microscope starter kits" you can buy for super cheap at better toy stores that have a crap microscope but a nice selection of slides, samples, and stains
2016-11-08T09:09:46 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Of course, all microscopes have narrow DOF. That's fine, you just need to fiddle with the focus
2016-11-08T09:10:05 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: The bigger issue with dies is that you need to decap them
2016-11-08T09:10:54 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: You can outsource it, dangerous prototypes does a decapping service fairly cheap
2016-11-08T09:11:48 < Kliment> goddammit that was an ordeal
2016-11-08T09:12:13 < Kliment> just did a port of a hal project from l0 to f0
2016-11-08T09:12:44 < Kliment> Didn't change a single line of actual functional code, but just getting it to compile...
2016-11-08T09:13:24 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Well, the ST BLE library is built for l0, I'm trying to get the module to work on a board with an f0 on it
2016-11-08T09:13:39 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: And I'd rather not change it because 1) cost and 2) speed
2016-11-08T09:14:17 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: It's replacing something with power consumption of 50mA anyway, so who cares if the processor is using 4
2016-11-08T09:14:27 < Kliment> I'll find out in a minute :
2016-11-08T09:14:29 < Kliment> :)
2016-11-08T09:15:05 < Kliment> I'd guess that too, because the HSI oscillator has a different frequency
2016-11-08T09:15:15 < Kliment> But actually I don't know that anything depends on that frequency
2016-11-08T09:17:52 < Kliment> I really wish ST would just add a fucking makefile in addition to all their various IDE projects
2016-11-08T09:22:00 < dongs> why?
2016-11-08T09:22:04 < dongs> pros dont use makefiles
2016-11-08T09:28:22 < Kliment> dongs: Because I want to automate builds
2016-11-08T09:28:35 < aandrew> hm
2016-11-08T09:28:40 < aandrew> I think I found a problem
2016-11-08T09:28:47 < Kliment> dongs: for testing and variant building
2016-11-08T09:28:59 < aandrew> the DHCP code has this dhcp struct and within that is the outgoing packet that is allocated
2016-11-08T09:29:10 < barthess> pros do not use automation and testing
2016-11-08T09:29:13 < aandrew> but dhcp->p_out is not the first element
2016-11-08T09:29:18 < aandrew> haha no
2016-11-08T09:29:19 < aandrew> come on now
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2016-11-08T09:29:28 < aandrew> one dumb mistake doesnt' mean they all are
2016-11-08T09:29:30 < aandrew> or even mine
2016-11-08T09:30:34 < aandrew> http://imgur.com/a/3gOQD
2016-11-08T09:30:57 < aandrew> see how dhcp is at address 0x20007dec but p_out is also at 0x20007dec?
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2016-11-08T09:31:23 < aandrew> and how dhcp->xid, ->pcb, ->msg_in, ->state, ->tries and ->subnet_mask_given are all BEFORE p->out?
2016-11-08T09:31:56 < aandrew> the dhcp_create_msg() function just write the xid, which overwrote p->next in p_out
2016-11-08T09:32:42 < aandrew> what I think happened is the first packet sent fine, but when it was freed it accidentally freed the dhcp struct so when p_out was allocated it grabbed that address
2016-11-08T09:33:14 < aandrew> the problem with staying up to work is the having to stop to pee. 
2016-11-08T09:33:24 < aandrew> no, xid is a random number used in DHCP negotiation
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2016-11-08T10:04:18 < dongs> startkeylogger
2016-11-08T10:05:44 < jpa-> keylogger started
2016-11-08T10:05:57 < dongs> haha
2016-11-08T10:07:13 < dongs> http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASJC82Q11JC8TIPE002.html meanwhile in japan
2016-11-08T10:13:11 < aandrew> huh
2016-11-08T10:13:17 < aandrew> the error is in mem_free() not in LWIP
2016-11-08T10:14:04 < aandrew> dongs: that might put a dent inot the punctuality of the trains
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2016-11-08T10:16:36 < ohsix> hax, quic protocol errors to google
2016-11-08T10:17:52 < ohsix> hm
2016-11-08T10:17:55 < ohsix> internet shit?
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2016-11-08T10:19:33 < ohsix> for some reason irc is alive and everything else is dead
2016-11-08T10:19:48 < ohsix> i wonder if this is what ssl mitm looks like
2016-11-08T10:19:52 < aandrew> and the bug appears to be in plug_holes()
2016-11-08T10:20:28 < ohsix> aandrew: check the internet, is it broke there
2016-11-08T10:20:43 < ohsix> see if http://basic.butt.care works
2016-11-08T10:21:06 < aandrew> I think I've got my butt care down pat, thanks
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2016-11-08T10:21:11 < ohsix> i can't connect to anything and it is peculiar in how it doesn't work
2016-11-08T10:21:21 < ohsix> eh get the banner on :22 then, dork
2016-11-08T10:22:53 < ohsix> yea the internet is busted
2016-11-08T10:23:00 < ohsix> bgpstream is probably talking about it
2016-11-08T10:30:01 < upgrdman> so im kinda tempted to try learning some musical instrument. upgrdboy used to know how to play simple stuff on a violin and clarinet, but has long since forgotten all of it.
2016-11-08T10:30:22 < upgrdman> whats a cheap way to see if music is something i might have a passion for?
2016-11-08T10:30:32 < upgrdman> some cheap plastic Recorder?
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2016-11-08T10:31:13 < dongs> install lunix and rockband
2016-11-08T10:32:24 < Kliment> upgrdman: Pick an instrument, find a local teacher that teaches that instrument, and sign up for a trial month of lessons
2016-11-08T10:33:03 < upgrdman> Kliment, problem is most of my free time is late at night
2016-11-08T10:33:06 < Kliment> upgrdman: That way you get to play with decent equipment without the capital investment of owning it, and you get someone who knows what they're doing to show you the basics
2016-11-08T10:33:28 < Kliment> upgrdman: At least over here that's not a problem
2016-11-08T10:33:39 < upgrdman> hmmm ok
2016-11-08T10:36:21 < upgrdman> wow, recorders really are cheap. $7 on amazon for a yamaha, $2.50 for some no name one
2016-11-08T10:36:41 < ReadErr> lol recorders sound so bad tho
2016-11-08T10:36:49 < upgrdman> ya
2016-11-08T10:37:56 < upgrdman> $66 violin. wonder how bad it sounds  https://www.amazon.com/Mendini-Antique-Violin-Shoulder-Strings/dp/B002026DR0/ref=sr_1_3?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1478594237&sr=1-3&keywords=violin
2016-11-08T10:38:36 < upgrdman> o wow, there cheaper violines to. $43
2016-11-08T10:38:46 < ReadErr> ukulele
2016-11-08T10:39:05 < ReadErr> its hard not to look badass whaling on one of them
2016-11-08T10:40:57 < upgrdman> lol, is this an injection-molded violin   https://www.amazon.com/Goplus%C2%AE-Durable-Natural-Acoustic-Violin/dp/B0176C0KZ4/ref=sr_1_13?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1478594237&sr=1-13&keywords=violin
2016-11-08T10:41:16 < upgrdman> o nm, just shitty paint on it
2016-11-08T10:44:39 < upgrdman> mhmmm
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2016-11-08T10:47:05 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwmuAHNVQAADeDz.jpg:large
2016-11-08T10:47:53 < aandrew> attn dongs http://i.imgur.com/sd15NVu.gifv
2016-11-08T10:47:55 < aandrew> never really liked Lindsey sterling. she can play but i grew up with real
2016-11-08T10:48:07 < aandrew> Ottawa valley fiddle music.
2016-11-08T10:48:30 < aandrew> similar to eastern NA fiddle but different enough that it isn't the same
2016-11-08T10:48:32 < aandrew> to me
2016-11-08T10:48:47 < aandrew> wtf I can't type on the phone apparently
2016-11-08T10:49:04 < upgrdman> why do pianos have those ugly uncomfortable rectangle benches to sit on? seems like a armless desk chair would be so much nicer to play on
2016-11-08T10:51:40 < upgrdman> i can make my stool revolve when i flush
2016-11-08T10:51:50 < ReadErr> I thoought a bench is normal for a piano ?
2016-11-08T10:51:51 < dongs> STM32 piano simulator
2016-11-08T10:54:20 < ReadErr> not a catpage.
2016-11-08T11:15:46 < Kliment> Interestingly "stool" as a word for excrement is a euphemism that is derived from "stool" as chair, because you sit on one to produce it.
2016-11-08T11:16:14 < Kliment> In English, there are no non-euphemistic words for toilet
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2016-11-08T11:17:04 < ReadErr> stool goes in the toilet 
2016-11-08T11:17:07 < dongs> you mean like restroom?
2016-11-08T11:17:56 < dongs> oh, non. so even MORE offensive than toilet?
2016-11-08T11:18:08 < dongs> donno man
2016-11-08T11:18:19 < Steffanx> WC.
2016-11-08T11:18:24 < ReadErr> shitter
2016-11-08T11:18:32 < Kliment> Steffanx: water closet is a euphemism
2016-11-08T11:18:34 < dongs> yeah there's plent,y im no sure wat Kliment is talking about
2016-11-08T11:19:02 < Steffanx> We call it a "wc" in dutchland, kliment
2016-11-08T11:19:19 < Kliment> Steffanx: Yes, which is a euphemism too
2016-11-08T11:19:26 < ReadErr> wc?
2016-11-08T11:19:35 < Kliment> ReadErr: Yep, stands for "water closet"
2016-11-08T11:19:43 < ReadErr> oh lol
2016-11-08T11:19:51 < dongs> don't forget CR for 'comfort room'
2016-11-08T11:19:57 < dongs> dunno wat parts of shit use that 
2016-11-08T11:19:57 < Kliment> There's also "lavatory" (from Latin "wash room")
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2016-11-08T12:59:28 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: I forgot to tell you btw, my l0 to f0 port did work, the only issue is, as expected, that everything is running slower because of the system clock
2016-11-08T13:00:11 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: The HSI on the L0 is 16MHz IIRC and 8MHz on the F0
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2016-11-08T13:16:02 < dongs> https://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=129868.msg1246094#msg1246094
2016-11-08T13:16:16 < dongs> #arduino #advice #2013
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2016-11-08T14:34:09 < dongs> zyp, why do usb-C captive cables exist
2016-11-08T14:34:13 < dongs> what's the purpose
2016-11-08T14:34:21 < dongs> just not having to deal wiht rotation one way?
2016-11-08T14:35:38 < zyp> in what sense?
2016-11-08T14:36:15 < dongs> just that
2016-11-08T14:36:20 < dongs> captive cable is only 12 wires
2016-11-08T14:36:28 < dongs> but i mean is there any better reason
2016-11-08T14:36:31 < dongs> well, less than 12 actually
2016-11-08T14:36:50 < dongs> 10
2016-11-08T14:37:17 < zyp> what sort of device is this?
2016-11-08T14:37:37 < dongs> well im looking at some silabs evalboard
2016-11-08T14:37:56 < zyp> url?
2016-11-08T14:38:20 < dongs> https://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/UG233-USB-Design-Guide.pdf
2016-11-08T14:38:27 < dongs> warning: that pdf took ~10 minutes to download
2016-11-08T14:38:29 < dongs> at like 3k/sec
2016-11-08T14:38:31 < dongs> donno if me or silabs.com
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2016-11-08T14:38:43 < zyp> haha, the latter it seems
2016-11-08T14:38:52 < dongs> same shit?
2016-11-08T14:39:04 < zyp> yeah, slow as fuck
2016-11-08T14:39:09 < dongs> nice.
2016-11-08T14:39:13 < dongs> must be serving from EFM8
2016-11-08T14:39:18 < dongs> HAPPY GECKO
2016-11-08T14:39:25 < zyp> anyway, captive cables have existed forever, it's nothhing new for usb-c
2016-11-08T14:39:33 < dongs> sure
2016-11-08T14:39:43 < dongs> but why would one use it over say a reversible plug
2016-11-08T14:40:03 < zyp> same reason? saving a socket/plug?
2016-11-08T14:40:21 < dongs> handsoldering and limiting user to X length cable is worse, no?
2016-11-08T14:40:48 < zyp> have you ever seen a mouse or a keyboard with a usb socket (apart for wireless shit, for charging)?
2016-11-08T14:40:56 < dongs> advantage being that one side doesnt have to deal wiht orientation swap
2016-11-08T14:40:59 < dongs> , right?
2016-11-08T14:41:12 < dongs> zyp, no, but those are usually wireto board too
2016-11-08T14:41:16 < dongs> since they're shitty USB-FS devices
2016-11-08T14:41:22 < dongs> but this is ghz shit
2016-11-08T14:41:25 < zyp> that's also true, but they could have just done a B connector if they wanted to avoid that
2016-11-08T14:43:33 < jpa-> does one even have to deal with rotation at all if it is USB-FS?
2016-11-08T14:43:51 < dongs> no
2016-11-08T14:44:16 < jpa-> one reason could be that in a keyboard/mouse the usb socket would be very easily damaged
2016-11-08T14:44:43 < dongs> an input socket?
2016-11-08T14:52:57 < decimad> Hrmmm, what does "cleaning" the data cache mean? Does it mean writing it to the memory?
2016-11-08T14:53:58 < decimad> I can only find functions to invalidate and to clean the cache, where invalidating probably means marking the entry dirty, ie. it will be fetched from memory on next read
2016-11-08T14:54:46 < dongs> wot, is thre even any cache on low-end SMT32s?
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2016-11-08T14:57:15 < decimad> well, m7 is not low-end enough to have no cache^^
2016-11-08T14:57:31 < decimad> but I think I read between the lines that cleaning the cache will write it to mem
2016-11-08T14:57:39 < dongs> why would it
2016-11-08T14:58:13 < decimad> "After reset, you must invalidate each cache before enabling it.When disabling the data cache, you must clean the entire cache to ensure that any dirty data is flushed to external memory."
2016-11-08T15:00:20 < dongs> HAL_JustEnableEverything()
2016-11-08T15:00:23 < dongs> thats all you need to call anyway
2016-11-08T15:00:26 < dongs> stop reading datasheets!
2016-11-08T15:00:41 < dongs> amirite /y/y/y
2016-11-08T15:02:31 < decimad> hrm?
2016-11-08T15:08:15 < __rob> how is the stlink v2 driving different voltages for the programming pins
2016-11-08T15:08:38 < karlp> what do you mean?
2016-11-08T15:08:47 < __rob> well inteh software it has voltage detection
2016-11-08T15:08:56 < karlp> that's what pin 1 is.
2016-11-08T15:09:01 < __rob> presumably its programming with whatever voltage your using on board
2016-11-08T15:09:07 < karlp> no, why would it matter?
2016-11-08T15:09:19 < karlp> it knwos that all stm32s can deal with what it provides.
2016-11-08T15:09:32 < __rob> whats the point then in the voltage detection
2016-11-08T15:09:46 < karlp> helps you see what your system voltage is.
2016-11-08T15:09:51 < __rob> just information?
2016-11-08T15:09:56 < __rob> ahh right, fair enough
2016-11-08T15:10:02 < karlp> and because it _can_ be used to provide buffering by other devices.
2016-11-08T15:10:30 < __rob> so what I was wondering is if your sharing the pins 
2016-11-08T15:10:50 < __rob> and there is some device where > board vDD is not acceltable
2016-11-08T15:11:35 < __rob> which is why I assumed the prog pins were opne drain or something and pulled up inside the stlinkv2 by the board power
2016-11-08T15:12:04 < jpa-> decimad: yes, that interpretation would make sense; invalidation marking everything as "not dirty, no data"; cleaning writing out everything dirty and then marking them as "not dirty, no data"
2016-11-08T15:12:41 < __rob> so wondering what your meant to do if that is the situation
2016-11-08T15:12:46 < __rob> so you can program and use the pins
2016-11-08T15:13:50 < jpa-> i think real stlink might support different voltages, but the cheap one on discovery/nucleo does not
2016-11-08T15:14:13 < __rob> this is a stlinkv2
2016-11-08T15:14:56 < __rob> I dont have any hardware here right now to check by I am trying to do a schematic and its not that clear from the docs
2016-11-08T15:15:15 < __rob> and if it does support different voltages, be nice to know how they achieve that
2016-11-08T15:15:31 < karlp> heh, ftdi "back to basics" http://www.edn-europe.com/news/ftdi-re-focus-usb-spins-out-mcus-and-display-controllers?news_id=87809
2016-11-08T15:15:35 < dongs> fucccccccccck
2016-11-08T15:15:44 < dongs> ended up with ctrl+s in this screen somehow
2016-11-08T15:16:16 < jpa-> http://www.st.com/en/development-tools/st-link-v2.html  it does say "1.65 V to 3.6 V application voltage supported on the JTAG/SWD interface"
2016-11-08T15:16:53 < jpa-> __rob: not sure how they do it, but i would do it by having DAC output that controls the B side voltage of a line level buffer chip
2016-11-08T15:17:28 < dongs> thats  the real stlink right
2016-11-08T15:17:44 < dongs> the shit on discoveries cant do variable voltage
2016-11-08T15:17:45 < __rob> yea, I can think of ways. I might have to open it up to have a look
2016-11-08T15:17:52 < __rob> dont see any schematics
2016-11-08T15:18:05 < __rob> basically dont want to cook the fpga that will share some of the pins
2016-11-08T15:18:15 < __rob> so i'd like to be sure
2016-11-08T15:18:42 < jpa-> http://www.bravekit.com/image/data/STLINKV2/STLINK_bot.jpg  the pcb looks to have LVC8T245 doing it
2016-11-08T15:19:25 < dongs> cant you just take vtarget as b voltage?
2016-11-08T15:19:28 < dongs> why even need a dac?
2016-11-08T15:19:45 < dongs> pin 1 of jtag or wahtever
2016-11-08T15:19:59 < jpa-> true
2016-11-08T15:20:13 < dongs> maybe some fuckery is needed on isolated version
2016-11-08T15:20:38 < dongs> is that entire stdick pcb?
2016-11-08T15:20:42 < dongs> MCU on top?
2016-11-08T15:20:56 < dongs> i kinda  expected it to be more shit-shaped
2016-11-08T15:20:59 < jpa-> http://www.bravekit.com/image/data/STLINKV2/STLINK_top.jpg  yeah, not sure if genuine
2016-11-08T15:21:08 < dongs> no thats def fake
2016-11-08T15:21:17 < dongs> chinaclonez
2016-11-08T15:21:35 < dongs> real stlink the jtag/swim connectors are symmetrical and it should be egg-shaped or something
2016-11-08T15:21:58 < dongs> http://www.micromouseonline.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/IMG_0469.jpg
2016-11-08T15:22:20 < __rob> guess I can stick some diodes on those lines to clamp it.. if it isn't the same as target voltage
2016-11-08T15:22:43 < dongs> why are you doing pro things and using stlink?
2016-11-08T15:22:59 < dongs> how are you even gonna access FPGA through that
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2016-11-08T15:23:38 < __rob> it aint pro, its a lattice ice40
2016-11-08T15:23:49 < dongs> what the fuck there's a definite lack of REAL stlink pcb pics on google
2016-11-08T15:23:52 < __rob> cost less that nthe stm32
2016-11-08T15:24:44 < dongs> http://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/stlink-v1-v2-difference-when-there-is-need-for-upgraderepair/?action=dlattach;attach=119128;image
2016-11-08T15:24:51 < jpa-> dongs: you have to turn safe search off because the pcbs are too dick-shaped
2016-11-08T15:24:53 < dongs> thats the old version
2016-11-08T15:25:11 < dongs> looks like clamping diodes on each io pin
2016-11-08T15:26:50 < dongs> annot find.
2016-11-08T15:30:51 < Laurenceb_> http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US32842
2016-11-08T15:45:19 < zyp> heh, that silabs pdf still haven't loaded
2016-11-08T15:46:44 < dongs> yeah
2016-11-08T15:46:50 < dongs> i had to use wget
2016-11-08T15:46:57 < dongs> i think the chrome pdf thing just gives up after a while
2016-11-08T15:47:00 < dongs> and stops loading
2016-11-08T15:48:06 < zyp> probably
2016-11-08T15:49:07 < karlp> just opened instanly for me...
2016-11-08T15:50:17 < dongs> but can you scroll it past first page
2016-11-08T15:50:18 < dongs> !!!
2016-11-08T15:51:56 < karlp> sure
2016-11-08T15:52:13 < karlp> skimmed it all and closed it.
2016-11-08T15:52:17 < karlp> looks wildly complicated.
2016-11-08T15:52:33 < karlp> putting a quad usb-uart on it just to get the debug output of all the parts you need for the solution...
2016-11-08T15:53:07 < dongs> but quadcore 8bit mcus
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2016-11-08T15:57:24 < dongs> yeah I thought CP2108 was even smaller version of CP2104
2016-11-08T15:57:28 < dongs> then I googled and its liek 64pins
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2016-11-08T16:17:18 < dongs> wow apple really blew it with iphone7 not having USB-C. there's even audio adapter accesory mode
2016-11-08T16:17:45 < kakimir> how can they
2016-11-08T16:17:47 < kakimir> fail
2016-11-08T16:18:04 < dongs> or.. amyeb they were just following the standard:
2016-11-08T16:18:06 < kakimir> maybe "too big to fail"
2016-11-08T16:18:11 < kakimir> and then fail
2016-11-08T16:18:15 < dongs> An analog audio adapter could be a very basic USB Type-C adapter that only has a 3.5 mm jack or it could be an analog audio adapter with a 3.5 mm jack and a USB Type-C receptacle to enable charge-through. The headset shall not use a USB Type-C plug to replace the 3.5 mm plug.
2016-11-08T16:18:41 < dongs> oh, headset, not handset.
2016-11-08T16:18:42 < zyp> oh, now the pdf loaded immediately
2016-11-08T16:19:06 < kakimir> how is iphone any relevance dongs ?
2016-11-08T16:19:16 < kakimir> are you planning to monetarize it?
2016-11-08T16:19:38 < dongs> also zyp
2016-11-08T16:19:49 < dongs> seems in direct connect/captive cables, B6/B7 can be reassigned for stuff
2016-11-08T16:20:11 < dongs> not sure how tha works tho
2016-11-08T16:20:33 < dongs> thats the inverse of USB2 signals
2016-11-08T16:20:40 < zyp> uh, unlikely, a socket is likely to short them to A6/A7
2016-11-08T16:21:16 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/B5Lyp5r.png
2016-11-08T16:21:24 < zyp> so anyway, I figure that board is designed for a captive cable, because it's also used to evaluate in-cable electronics
2016-11-08T16:23:01 < dongs> mhm
2016-11-08T16:23:46 < zyp> by the way, how stupid would it be to design a device containing two usb devices, and connect one to A6/A7 and one to B6/B7? :p
2016-11-08T16:24:04 < dongs> donno, thats what it seems yo ucould do right?
2016-11-08T16:24:16 < karlp> reversible for your confusion!
2016-11-08T16:24:19 < dongs> and when you plug the cable the other way
2016-11-08T16:24:23 < dongs> the other device would connect
2016-11-08T16:24:23 < zyp> you could, and then select device depending on plug orientation
2016-11-08T16:25:16 < zyp> I've been thinking about this stm32+edison shit I'm planning, normally I want usb for stm32 config, but I also want a way to load firmware updates for the edison
2016-11-08T16:25:52 < zyp> englishman, just a resistor on each CC line, like any plain device
2016-11-08T16:26:20 < zyp> both what?
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2016-11-08T16:27:25 < zyp> no, plug only has data pairs on one side connected
2016-11-08T16:27:34 < zyp> other side is left floating
2016-11-08T16:27:58 < zyp> so in a normal device, both sides of the socket are hooked together
2016-11-08T16:28:01 < zyp> yeah
2016-11-08T16:28:18 < zyp> I'm not going to ghetto up that usb-c, but it was a fun idea to consider
2016-11-08T16:29:06 < zyp> what?
2016-11-08T16:29:15 < zyp> you don't need to switch anything
2016-11-08T16:30:00 < zyp> for a plain usb-c device only, you just need a plain resistor on each of CC1 and CC2
2016-11-08T16:30:29 < zyp> hooking up a different device to B6/B7 from A6/A7 wouldn't change that
2016-11-08T16:30:51 < zyp> so it's essentially free wrt. BOM
2016-11-08T16:31:07 < dongs>  what if its really shorted on the other end
2016-11-08T16:31:35 < zyp> so what? there's only one pair in the cable
2016-11-08T16:31:57 < zyp> B6/B7 aren't connected in c to c-cables
2016-11-08T16:32:20 < zyp> yep
2016-11-08T16:32:29 < zyp> but stupid and a hassle for the user
2016-11-08T16:32:58 < zyp> I could go with a mux, or I could go with a cheap onboard hub
2016-11-08T16:33:22 < karlp> where the upstream is the user port?
2016-11-08T16:33:28 < zyp> yes
2016-11-08T16:33:52 < zyp> or I could forget about usb for the edison entirely and bootload it through the stm32, but that sounds like a bunch of hassle and restricts me from doing other cool stuff
2016-11-08T16:34:14 < karlp> using a hub stops you from being able to do OTG stuff too...
2016-11-08T16:34:42 <@zyp> what's that for?
2016-11-08T16:34:55 <@zyp> :p
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2016-11-08T16:38:46 < kakimir> I need to process .raw photos in bulk and without propiertary pay softwares
2016-11-08T16:38:49 < kakimir> any ideas?
2016-11-08T16:38:58 < dongs> install windows 10
2016-11-08T16:39:01 < kakimir> done
2016-11-08T16:39:18 <@zyp> karlp, yeah, but OTG would need a bunch of extra stuff for power out capability in addition
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2016-11-08T16:39:32 < kakimir> I want to create timelapse videos from .RAWs
2016-11-08T16:39:51 < dongs> ffmpeg
2016-11-08T16:40:13 < jpa-> if you aren't going to do any manual tuning, why from .raws?
2016-11-08T16:40:25 < dongs> thats all he has
2016-11-08T16:40:37 < zyp> kakimir, dcraw?
2016-11-08T16:41:45 < karlp> imagemagick
2016-11-08T16:42:06 < kakimir> jpa-: because I do not know what I'm doing
2016-11-08T16:42:17 < kakimir> I rather not fail with camera
2016-11-08T16:42:28 < kakimir> too many settings
2016-11-08T16:42:54 < karlp> ufraw can do batch stuff too
2016-11-08T16:42:58 < kakimir> RAW removes exposure adjustment I think
2016-11-08T16:43:04 < kakimir> one thing less to fail
2016-11-08T16:43:41 < zyp> isn't ufraw just a gui frontend for dcraw?
2016-11-08T16:45:52 < kakimir> sure it would be better to have .jpg out of camera
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2016-11-08T16:46:32 < karlp> zyp: sure, but dcraw is a pig :) that's why ufraw exists :)
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2016-11-08T17:23:14 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/b576ce920b4dd9084fe4ce1bd93230d5dafc6c7791680b3756d6b9c217f69c3b.png
2016-11-08T17:24:57 < karlp> ah, been away long enough it's almost refreshing...
2016-11-08T17:28:08 < Rob235> in reference to the hdmi 2.0b spec, what is a user in this context: Simultaneous delivery of dual video streams to multiple users on the same screen
2016-11-08T17:28:37 < Rob235> pic in pic?
2016-11-08T17:28:41 < dongs> heh
2016-11-08T17:30:17 < dongs> maybe left and right eye
2016-11-08T17:30:23 < dongs> for VEEARE
2016-11-08T17:30:37 < Rob235> ahh
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2016-11-08T17:50:59 < karlp> isnt' there some gaming that's using that too? so each player gets full screen, but can't see the other players?
2016-11-08T17:54:19 < karlp> lattice gets a bit popular, and boom: http://www.edn-europe.com/news/lattice-semi-be-sold-china-backed-private-equity-0?news_id=87922
2016-11-08T17:57:03 < Laurenceb> apparently there is an election on today
2016-11-08T17:57:24 < Rickta59> our brexit vote
2016-11-08T17:57:40 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/jKmsv6a.jpg
2016-11-08T17:57:46 < jadew> Laurenceb, what's happening with the gbp?
2016-11-08T17:57:55 < jadew> I noticed today that it's very low again
2016-11-08T17:57:59 < Laurenceb> dunno, dont care
2016-11-08T17:58:00 < jadew> like... lower than before
2016-11-08T17:58:26 < jadew> did something happen?
2016-11-08T17:58:40 < jadew> because it was 1.32 USD last time I checked, now it's 1.24
2016-11-08T17:58:51 < Laurenceb> odd
2016-11-08T17:58:57 < BrainDamage> when is uk's parliament voting on brexit?
2016-11-08T17:59:18 < Laurenceb> nobody knows
2016-11-08T17:59:44 < jadew> why do they have to vote?
2016-11-08T18:00:03 < karlp> because that's what the judges said.
2016-11-08T18:00:04 < BrainDamage> because the supreme court ruled to according to the constitution
2016-11-08T18:00:14 < Laurenceb> no not yet
2016-11-08T18:00:25 < Laurenceb> that court decision is yet to come
2016-11-08T18:00:34 < jadew> that's silly, so the will of the people is meaningless?
2016-11-08T18:00:50 < Laurenceb> aiui the vote will be more on the terms of the deal
2016-11-08T18:00:51 < BrainDamage> nobody was prepared for the result
2016-11-08T18:00:57 < karlp> it was always non-binding. just like referendums in many countries
2016-11-08T18:01:02 < BrainDamage> not even the people who made the poll
2016-11-08T18:01:34 < jadew> silly
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2016-11-08T18:01:55 < jadew> I think it's a mistake for UK to leave, but if they want out... let them out
2016-11-08T18:03:36 < jadew> wtf is that? http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=1W
2016-11-08T18:04:16 < jadew> did someone tighten the feedback loop on the currency control machine?
2016-11-08T18:05:01 < Laurenceb> the weekend
2016-11-08T18:05:30 < jadew> does that happen with all currencies?
2016-11-08T18:05:46 < jadew> weird, it does
2016-11-08T18:06:08 < Rickta59> i had never bought anything from the UK before BREXIT, since the GBP drop I've ordered some rpi boards from a UK seller
2016-11-08T18:06:26 < jadew> Rickta59, I have, but now I wish I waited a bit longer
2016-11-08T18:06:45 < Rickta59> it was cheaper than buying from adafruit ( only mailorder place that ever seems to have the pi zero )
2016-11-08T18:06:45 < jadew> so after each weekend there's a small crash in most currencies?
2016-11-08T18:07:19 < jadew> ah, looks like not all the time
2016-11-08T18:07:42 < jadew> not for my currency anyway
2016-11-08T18:07:51 < jadew> only for highly volatile ones, like GBP and EUR
2016-11-08T18:09:30 < jadew> that looks like something that could be easily exploited to make some quick bucks
2016-11-08T18:10:08 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/jFGH6wi.gif attn upgrdman
2016-11-08T18:20:44 < ReadErr> dongs: did you possibly off weev lately
2016-11-08T18:20:58 < ReadErr> He made some rage video about nips
2016-11-08T18:21:45 < karlp> http://colorblindprogramming.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/objects.png
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2016-11-08T19:03:56 < ReadErr> Trump is a bad idea too
2016-11-08T19:05:32 -!- rager is now known as bourbon
2016-11-08T19:06:59 < Laurenceb>  <- voted for BREXIT
2016-11-08T19:07:07 < Laurenceb> problem?? *trollface*
2016-11-08T19:07:31 < Laurenceb> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40959.msg1587156#msg1587156
2016-11-08T19:07:44 < ReadErr> They gonna shut it down?
2016-11-08T19:09:58 < Laurenceb> they gunna windows10
2016-11-08T19:10:40 < ReadErr> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/11/07/a-catholic-priest-put-an-aborted-fetus-on-the-altar-in-an-appeal-for-donald-trump/
2016-11-08T19:10:50 < ReadErr> Wat
2016-11-08T19:11:20 < Laurenceb> sounds chan tier
2016-11-08T19:11:42 < decimad> sigh, I don't know what it is... the dp83640 phy seems to have a much more variable frame residence time than the one on my old board -.-
2016-11-08T19:12:51 < decimad> or the stm32f7 mac has some problem... anyways, I get a much greate variance on frame arrival timestamping in the mac
2016-11-08T19:15:40 < jadew> Laurenceb, what's that?
2016-11-08T19:15:57 < Laurenceb> dah emdrive bro
2016-11-08T19:16:06 < Laurenceb> emdrive is best drive
2016-11-08T19:17:06 < jadew> I forgot to read that paper
2016-11-08T19:17:09 < jadew> was it genuine?
2016-11-08T19:17:55 < Laurenceb> it was shit tier
2016-11-08T19:18:07 < Laurenceb> bunch of random crap claimed as a signal
2016-11-08T19:18:15 < Laurenceb> dunno how it ever passed peer review
2016-11-08T19:18:47 < Laurenceb> I just don't get it, I've had to work for years to get a few papers published, yet they easily shovel out that trash
2016-11-08T19:18:50 < BrainDamage> wasn't it "leaked"? aka, internal only and not even attempted to put on peer review?
2016-11-08T19:20:58 < Laurenceb> they claim it passed peer review and will be published next month
2016-11-08T19:22:11 < dongs> peer review? more like queer review
2016-11-08T19:22:17 < dongs> (being reviewed by Laurenceb )
2016-11-08T19:22:29 < Laurenceb> I dont do review you epin n00b
2016-11-08T19:22:47 < Laurenceb> I said I have published some shit that was peer reviewed
2016-11-08T19:22:49 < jadew> so after all it's not all a sham?
2016-11-08T19:22:58 < Laurenceb> jadew: nah its a sham
2016-11-08T19:23:35 < jadew> what are the requirements for the antenna? can it be easily built?
2016-11-08T19:23:45 < ReadErr> Laurenceb: Indian papers are the worst
2016-11-08T19:23:47 < BrainDamage> if it works it's the physical equivalent of saying that the sky is brown
2016-11-08T19:23:48 < dongs> nobody knows
2016-11-08T19:24:08 < BrainDamage> which is why naturally so many reject it a priority
2016-11-08T19:24:09 < Laurenceb> jadew: its trivial to build
2016-11-08T19:24:20 < Laurenceb> someone from Bulgaria built one in one day
2016-11-08T19:24:24 < jadew> Laurenceb, what else do I need?
2016-11-08T19:24:30 < BrainDamage> on op of that there's so much bad work by the people attepting to try it
2016-11-08T19:24:32 < Laurenceb> nasaspaceflight crew spent 2 years and built nothing
2016-11-08T19:24:43 < BrainDamage> the main problem is not the device
2016-11-08T19:24:47 < BrainDamage> it's the measurement
2016-11-08T19:24:50 < Laurenceb> jadew: magnetron and some copper foil
2016-11-08T19:25:01 < Laurenceb> dont kill yourself in the process
2016-11-08T19:25:06 < BrainDamage> it's a tiny force, so you'll need a torsion pendulum andlikely a vacuum box
2016-11-08T19:25:15 < Laurenceb> prob needs a VNA to calibrate it
2016-11-08T19:25:46 < jadew> you can calibrate it with a SA too
2016-11-08T19:26:14 < jadew> all you can get is S11
2016-11-08T19:26:17 < BrainDamage> to give you an idea of te force, a grain of salt has more weight than the force excerted by that shitwith 1kW feed
2016-11-08T19:29:27 < BrainDamage> also you don't need even a NA
2016-11-08T19:29:42 < BrainDamage> all you need is a good circulator
2016-11-08T19:29:52 < jadew> you do if you want to find the sweet spot of the bucket
2016-11-08T19:30:11 < BrainDamage> yes, which is why a circulator suffices
2016-11-08T19:30:25 < BrainDamage> you'd get S11 for free
2016-11-08T19:31:15 < jadew> you still have to sweep it and to measure the output tho :)
2016-11-08T19:31:24 < BrainDamage> measure the outputyes, sweep no
2016-11-08T19:31:31 < BrainDamage> just tune the cavity instead
2016-11-08T19:31:40 < jadew> ah
2016-11-08T19:31:50 < jadew> yeah, that should work too
2016-11-08T19:32:27 < BrainDamage> and a simple diode detector suffices to measure power
2016-11-08T19:33:53 < BrainDamage> add directional coupler and you can measure incident power too ( uneven spliters can't handle 1kW+ without costing a fuckton )
2016-11-08T19:35:37 < Laurenceb> inb4 ##stm32 proves emdrive is a fraud
2016-11-08T19:36:09 < Laurenceb> emdrive made in an afternoon aiui  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbf7735o3hQ
2016-11-08T19:36:26 < jadew> Laurenceb, I was just watching that video
2016-11-08T19:36:30 < Laurenceb> heh
2016-11-08T19:36:31 < jadew> I think everyone wants it to be real
2016-11-08T19:36:44 < Laurenceb> leaking microwaves confusing the scales i think
2016-11-08T19:37:28 < jadew> I don't think it would be affected by that frequency, but there's probably something else going on
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2016-11-08T19:38:45 < Laurenceb> michael palmisano2 hours ago those who can't ,comment
2016-11-08T19:38:47 < Laurenceb> top kek
2016-11-08T19:40:29 < jadew> Laurenceb, how do you know he's Bulgarian?
2016-11-08T19:40:48 < Laurenceb> i read somewhere, maybe I got it wrong lol
2016-11-08T19:41:45 < Steffanx> On the internet probably?
2016-11-08T19:41:53 < Laurenceb> he has 10^4 times greater productivity than nsf posters
2016-11-08T19:41:54 < Laurenceb> correct
2016-11-08T19:42:21 < Laurenceb> found a photo of me reading it https://i.sli.mg/NDmP2j.jpg
2016-11-08T19:42:54 < jadew> Laurenceb, he's romanian
2016-11-08T19:43:01 < Laurenceb> ah
2016-11-08T19:43:15 < jadew> the name sounded romanian so I had to check
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2016-11-08T19:50:52  * KreAture_Zzz hates the stm32 timers
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2016-11-08T19:51:03 < KreAture_> They can't do shit
2016-11-08T19:51:27 < Laurenceb> the stm32 timers are epin
2016-11-08T19:51:47 < Laurenceb> master slave mode allows all kind of crazy shit
2016-11-08T19:51:58 < Laurenceb> like you can make them pick cotton and stuff
2016-11-08T19:53:15 < KreAture_> Laurenceb if you need 3 timers to count but start with 0, 30 and 60 cycles delay from same clock source you are screwed
2016-11-08T19:53:34 < Laurenceb> not really
2016-11-08T19:53:42 < KreAture_> The obvious solution is timera set to some counting rate, oc1, oc2 and oc3 set to right times
2016-11-08T19:53:57 < KreAture_> then timer b, c and d to start on timera ocx
2016-11-08T19:54:38 < KreAture_> This can be done in stm32, except for one thing, timers can only start from the timers output which is usually only one of 4 oc's
2016-11-08T19:54:56 < KreAture_> same goes for dma transfers
2016-11-08T19:55:04 < KreAture_> staggering dma transfers is a tiny bit easier
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2016-11-08T19:55:20 < KreAture_> but you cannot have em timed by timer and staggered
2016-11-08T19:55:25 < KreAture_> one or the other
2016-11-08T19:55:34 < KreAture_> you quickly run out of timers if you try
2016-11-08T19:55:57 < KreAture_> 3 timers to start from same trigger, each run with diff ocx output to start each their own timers that again run to clock the dma
2016-11-08T19:56:00 < KreAture_> aka 6
2016-11-08T19:56:13 < KreAture_> so how to start the 3 initial stagger-timers ?  by a timer you don't have
2016-11-08T19:56:15 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-08T19:56:22 < Laurenceb> external lines?
2016-11-08T19:56:31 < KreAture_> The pins are in use
2016-11-08T19:56:33 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-11-08T19:56:49 < KreAture_> My point is, why couldn't they have actually completed that internal trigger x system
2016-11-08T19:57:05 < KreAture_> IntTrg0, IntTrg1, IntTrg2, IntTrg3
2016-11-08T19:57:21 < Laurenceb> yeah that is annoying
2016-11-08T19:57:29 < KreAture_> if you could have had 4 routing lines for the timers, and then hooked up OC's from the timers to those, then everything would have been right with the world
2016-11-08T19:57:41 < Laurenceb> heh yeah I had this problem
2016-11-08T19:57:47 < KreAture_> 1 timer would have been all you need to start 3 staggered
2016-11-08T19:57:54 < KreAture_> would have been beautiful
2016-11-08T19:58:05 < KreAture_> and to up the datarate on my sdram interface I needs it now!
2016-11-08T19:58:05 < Laurenceb>  "solved" it by disabling interrupts and disable/re-enabling timers
2016-11-08T19:58:07 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-08T19:58:21 < Laurenceb> shitpost tiem:  http://skelton.id.au/skelton.html
2016-11-08T19:58:23 < KreAture_> My problem is the staggering
2016-11-08T19:58:32 < KreAture_> I ned it to be cycle accurate
2016-11-08T19:59:18 < KreAture_> I've been devoting my entire day to the timer structures and drawing a map of em for my stm32
2016-11-08T19:59:25 < KreAture_> looking for ways to do shit
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2016-11-08T19:59:53 < Laurenceb> yeah my problem had the advantage that +-1 timer cycle didnt kill it
2016-11-08T20:00:26 < KreAture_> My dma transfer would be corrupt by that as my command and data would be off
2016-11-08T20:00:33 < KreAture_> or hit the wrong cock flank
2016-11-08T20:00:36 < KreAture_> clock
2016-11-08T20:00:37 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-08T20:00:57 < Laurenceb> no homo
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2016-11-08T20:12:47 < KreAture_> there
2016-11-08T20:12:54 < KreAture_> I made chicken wraps :)
2016-11-08T20:13:00 < KreAture_> 13 mins
2016-11-08T20:13:03 < KreAture_> that's a new record
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2016-11-08T20:17:44 < Steffanx> Raw chicken.. yummy.
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2016-11-08T20:21:04 < KreAture_> wraps
2016-11-08T20:21:12 < KreAture_> 10mm cubes 
2016-11-08T20:21:17 < KreAture_> sih
2016-11-08T20:21:19 < KreAture_> ish
2016-11-08T20:21:32 < KreAture_> with chili and cayenne
2016-11-08T20:22:05 < KreAture_> then panfried with some onions and I got avocado and red peppers with the sallad
2016-11-08T20:22:07 < KreAture_> jumm
2016-11-08T20:22:21 < KreAture_> I also got this great sweet habanero sauce
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2016-11-08T20:42:10 < ReadErr> wtf TI just sent me like 5 spams i a row
2016-11-08T20:42:28 < ReadErr> in a row*
2016-11-08T20:43:08 < Laurenceb> chicken tendies?
2016-11-08T20:44:56 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/DuV9NB.jpg
2016-11-08T20:47:58 < Steffanx> 12 tabs?
2016-11-08T20:48:20 < Steffanx> Also modern browsers have this icon when music is playing, better upgrade brains Laurenceb
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2016-11-08T20:50:52 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/WHDbgpqy/IMG_1620.PNG
2016-11-08T20:51:25 < Steffanx> such iphone.
2016-11-08T20:51:54 < ReadErr> TI is ddosin my email
2016-11-08T20:52:59 < Steffanx> Ok, I feel sorry for you :P
2016-11-08T20:53:12 < Steffanx> Again.
2016-11-08T20:53:26 < Steffanx> I will feel sorry for you tonight again.. no matter the result.
2016-11-08T20:53:59 < BrainDamage> it's usually xilinx that fills my mail with shit
2016-11-08T20:54:10 < Tectu> tell them to stop
2016-11-08T20:55:56 < jadew> I like all mail from IC manufacturers
2016-11-08T20:56:10 < ReadErr> they could space things out a bit better
2016-11-08T20:56:13 < jadew> TI has some of the best stuff
2016-11-08T20:56:17 < ReadErr> here I am jamming
2016-11-08T20:56:24 < ReadErr> and my email beep interrupting the tunes
2016-11-08T20:56:48 < jadew> ReadErr, I don't get that kind of email from TI
2016-11-08T20:56:54 <@englishman> hurray my motion detector arrived
2016-11-08T20:56:56 < jadew> what I get is actually interesting
2016-11-08T20:57:02 < Steffanx> i always get spammed by eeweb. And i tried to unsubscribe a dozen times now -_-
2016-11-08T20:57:07 <@englishman> one step closer to squirrel auschwitz
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2016-11-08T20:57:23 < jadew> Steffanx, mark it as spam
2016-11-08T20:57:33 < ReadErr> you should go full lunix
2016-11-08T20:57:38 < ReadErr> motion detector is too easy
2016-11-08T20:57:43 < Laurenceb> englishman: airduster, DO IT
2016-11-08T20:57:43 < ReadErr> you need RPI with opencv
2016-11-08T20:57:58 < Laurenceb> cardboard box trap with airduster gassing
2016-11-08T20:58:00 < jadew> when you mark an e-mail as spam you're actually hurting them
2016-11-08T20:58:10 < jadew> and most systems will avoid sending to you again
2016-11-08T20:58:18 < Steffanx> ok, will do :)
2016-11-08T20:58:40 < jadew> of course, trying to unsubscribe first is the way to go, but if that fails...
2016-11-08T20:59:43 < ReadErr> http://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2016/11/08/872b38c2-328b-4a75-9a95-f5385ab310b3/resize/620x/eb1cfaba0cd44074e7fc7d021bcc93cd/battleground-still.jpg
2016-11-08T20:59:46 < ReadErr> slookin good ;)
2016-11-08T20:59:51 < jadew> ReadErr, my last emails from TI are about a small set of videos about EMI shielding
2016-11-08T21:00:08 < ReadErr> jadew: they do send out some good stuff
2016-11-08T21:00:30 < jadew> you're probably subscribed to more of their stuff
2016-11-08T21:01:34 < ReadErr> R2COM: prepare you anus
2016-11-08T21:01:39 < Laurenceb> ReadErr: prepare for war with russia
2016-11-08T21:01:57 < ReadErr> nononoononono
2016-11-08T21:02:00 < ReadErr> proxy war
2016-11-08T21:03:08 < jadew> how are the elections looking so far?
2016-11-08T21:03:11 < jadew> any exist pools?
2016-11-08T21:03:25 < jadew> *polls
2016-11-08T21:03:54 <@englishman> i kind of want them both to lose
2016-11-08T21:03:54 < ReadErr> that pic I just pasted is current as of 30 mins ago
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2016-11-08T21:04:07 <@englishman> but of the two candidates hillary is going to be so fucking boring
2016-11-08T21:04:20 <@englishman> trump will provide nonstop entertainment
2016-11-08T21:04:25 <@englishman> like rob ford
2016-11-08T21:04:47 < ReadErr> I rather get my luls from him bitching and moaning about how the system is rigged because he didnt win
2016-11-08T21:04:48 < jadew> ReadErr, ah, didn't notice it
2016-11-08T21:05:04 < Laurenceb> in an idea world we would just have emdrive and zano for entertainment
2016-11-08T21:05:10 < Laurenceb> *ideal
2016-11-08T21:05:40 < ReadErr> lol trump already files a lawsuit
2016-11-08T21:06:54 < jadew> these elections were by far the weirdest
2016-11-08T21:07:06 < Steffanx> Clown. Horror Clown.
2016-11-08T21:07:40 < jadew> I don't even know how something like this is allowed to happen
2016-11-08T21:07:57 < ReadErr> Donald Trump's campaign filed a lawsuit in Nevada on Tuesday claiming a Nevada county improperly kept some polling locations open on the last night of early voting.
2016-11-08T21:07:57 < ReadErr> The suit, filed in state court, claims people who were not in line when polls closed at some Las Vegas locations were able to vote on Friday. Nevada law allows people already waiting when the polls close to cast ballots.
2016-11-08T21:08:02 < ReadErr> tis fucking guy..
2016-11-08T21:09:30 < jadew> vote fraud is always something inconcievable, but I bet it always happens
2016-11-08T21:09:51 < manuel__> #stm32-politics
2016-11-08T21:09:53 < jadew> I know for a fact it happens here and before hearing it from a trusted source I didn't believe it
2016-11-08T21:09:59 < Steffanx> ## manuel__
2016-11-08T21:10:00 < Laurenceb> maybe trump can make emdrive great again
2016-11-08T21:10:03 < ReadErr> hes so worried about them being open 1-2hrs late
2016-11-08T21:10:05 < Steffanx> Did you vote yet ReadErr?
2016-11-08T21:10:07 < ReadErr> I guess hes losing
2016-11-08T21:10:22 < ReadErr> Steffanx: yup, voted the first day of early voting here, 3 weeks ago or so
2016-11-08T21:10:47 < Steffanx> Romney?
2016-11-08T21:11:00 < ReadErr> HRC
2016-11-08T21:11:03 < jadew> so it's been going on for a while?
2016-11-08T21:11:08 < jadew> I thought it's just a day
2016-11-08T21:11:38 < ReadErr> jadew: depends on the state
2016-11-08T21:11:44 < ReadErr> today is the 'big' day
2016-11-08T21:11:50 < jadew> got it
2016-11-08T21:11:57 < jadew> when will the results be out?
2016-11-08T21:12:12 < Kliment> jadew: 12-13 hours from now, maybe later
2016-11-08T21:12:23 < Kliment> jadew: unless Florida reports early
2016-11-08T21:12:25 < ReadErr> yea late tonight
2016-11-08T21:12:38 < ReadErr> probably in your morning
2016-11-08T21:12:54 < jadew> I'm so curious of the outcome
2016-11-08T21:13:02 < ReadErr> as am I
2016-11-08T21:14:35 < jadew> did this vote feel like a vote for change vs no change? or was it weird vs weird?
2016-11-08T21:15:03 < ReadErr> mostly a not-trump vote
2016-11-08T21:15:08 < ReadErr> first time ive actually voted
2016-11-08T21:15:13 < jadew> heh
2016-11-08T21:15:20 < jadew> we had a non-that guy vote here too
2016-11-08T21:15:25 < jadew> first time I ever voted as well
2016-11-08T21:15:39 < ReadErr> Lux: didnt your country have all kinds of voting issues?
2016-11-08T21:15:47 < ReadErr> something about the glue on the envelopes was bad
2016-11-08T21:15:52 < ReadErr> so they had to re-do it
2016-11-08T21:16:16 < jadew> envelopes?
2016-11-08T21:16:17 < jadew> wtf?
2016-11-08T21:16:40 < jadew> was it sent by mail?
2016-11-08T21:17:29 < jadew> they count them at the voting booths, no?
2016-11-08T21:17:53 < ReadErr> absentie voting I think
2016-11-08T21:18:05 < ReadErr> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/09/09/austrias-election-woes-worsen-as-postal-voting-envelopes-come-unglued/
2016-11-08T21:18:25 < ReadErr> Austria's presidential election was already considered a disaster. It was declared invalid in July after reports of irregularities in handling absentee votes. And after finally agreeing on an October date for repeating the election, the country is likely to reschedule again.
2016-11-08T21:18:26 < ReadErr> lol
2016-11-08T21:18:56 < ReadErr> they had to do it 3 times? I think
2016-11-08T21:19:02 <@englishman> hilary is winning now, trump will pull ahead when republicans get off work
2016-11-08T21:19:24 < jadew> haha englishman
2016-11-08T21:21:02 < Laurenceb> http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/1AC4/production/_92325860_d413da01-05c3-49be-abdd-d53863f1dab1.png
2016-11-08T21:22:26 < jadew> heh
2016-11-08T21:23:40 < jadew> it's like they're asking for more
2016-11-08T21:24:01 < Laurenceb> http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/DE14/production/_92325865_ed351ded-2e13-4ceb-bb32-073547d367b3.png
2016-11-08T21:24:03 < jadew> all they had to say is "The truth is that we don't know anything."
2016-11-08T21:24:33 < ReadErr> 3  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/presidential-election-2016-results-live-updates/
2016-11-08T21:24:35 < ReadErr> omg
2016-11-08T21:24:45 < ReadErr> this trump layer is getting dickslapped
2016-11-08T21:24:48 < ReadErr> by that judge lady
2016-11-08T21:24:48 < Laurenceb> wut
2016-11-08T21:24:52 < ReadErr> lawyer*
2016-11-08T21:24:59 < Laurenceb> how can they have results already
2016-11-08T21:25:05 < ReadErr> they dont
2016-11-08T21:25:09 < ReadErr> its pre-emptive 
2016-11-08T21:25:14 < Laurenceb> stupid url is stupid
2016-11-08T21:29:19 < KreAture_> Laurenceb I still want better timers
2016-11-08T21:29:53 < Steffanx> Get an fpga.
2016-11-08T21:30:31 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-08T21:30:49 < KreAture_> find me a 48 pin fpga with minimum 700kbyte sram
2016-11-08T21:32:17 < jadew> ReadErr, is there another feed with that live thing?
2016-11-08T21:32:31 < jadew> they interrupted it after that guy's question
2016-11-08T21:32:32 < ReadErr> jadew: its on that cbsnews.com thing
2016-11-08T21:32:37 < ReadErr> they update it frequently 
2016-11-08T21:32:54 < jadew> they interrupted just when it got interesting
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2016-11-08T21:34:03 < Laurenceb> >mfw you had male ancestors who managed to make a child all the way up to when bacteria first split into male and female ones and you are still a virgin cuck
2016-11-08T21:35:42 < jadew> ReadErr, is CBSN anti-trump?
2016-11-08T21:35:53 < ReadErr> jadew: no 
2016-11-08T21:36:08 < ReadErr> its been a pretty non biased feed
2016-11-08T21:36:14 < jadew> what they're saying seems very biased tho
2016-11-08T21:36:25 < jadew> they spinned that lawsuit as some kind of thing agaisnt latinos
2016-11-08T21:37:09 < ReadErr> 1:55 p.m. ET Donald Trump’s campaign filed a lawsuit against the Clark County registrar, accusing him of intentionally coordinating with Democratic activists “in order to skew the vote unlawfully in favor of Democratic candidates.”  
2016-11-08T21:37:09 < ReadErr> The suit alleges that the polls were open beyond closing time on Friday, the last day of early voting, and an emergency hearing on the matter is scheduled for 2 p.m. ET in the matter.
2016-11-08T21:37:22 < ReadErr> its based on their filling I guess
2016-11-08T21:37:36 < ReadErr> not even sure, they didnt mention that in the courtroom 
2016-11-08T21:38:10 < jadew> and the interruption right when that judge was presented with the full picture and a clear question also seemed strange, I really want to see how she answered that question
2016-11-08T21:39:27 < jadew> is there no other feed of that thing?
2016-11-08T21:45:11 < Laurenceb> here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz5gja7XtYE
2016-11-08T21:46:32 < jadew> who's that guy?
2016-11-08T21:46:50 < Laurenceb> elliot rogers, the supreme gentleman
2016-11-08T21:47:16 < KreAture_> seriously find me a small fpga that has 700kbyte of sram so I can do my image processing
2016-11-08T21:50:02 <@englishman> should i teach lil'dongs japanese or german
2016-11-08T21:50:53 < jadew> englishman, both?
2016-11-08T21:51:00 < KreAture_> lol not a single fpga under $300 has enough sram
2016-11-08T21:52:45 < PaulFertser> If you plan to mass manufacture something, chineese will be the most useful I'd guess. At least that's so according to the bunnie's blog.
2016-11-08T21:54:23  * KreAture_ stars the altera chip selector
2016-11-08T21:54:38 < KreAture_> shit intel = altera ?
2016-11-08T21:54:42 < KreAture_> oh well
2016-11-08T21:54:56  * KreAture_ waits for the now horrifically slow selector to load
2016-11-08T21:55:01 < Steffanx> Yes, welcome to 2016 :P
2016-11-08T21:55:16 < KreAture_> Steffanx this does not bode well for my options
2016-11-08T21:55:34 < KreAture_> Steffanx small fpga with either 700kByte+ memory or external sram/sdram
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2016-11-08T21:58:45 < KreAture_> omg the selector is utter rubbish
2016-11-08T21:58:55 < KreAture_> as you adjust parameters you get NO feedback on how many hits you get
2016-11-08T21:59:04 < KreAture_> you end up setting a lot of shit and then find 0 results
2016-11-08T21:59:07 < bertrik> good evening
2016-11-08T22:00:25 < bertrik> I was wondering how easy/hard it is to do an USB HID implementation with arduino on the STM32
2016-11-08T22:00:30 < zyp> KreAture_, if you want to go super overkill, stratix 10 got embedded dram :)
2016-11-08T22:00:58 < bertrik> on an STM32F103 I mean
2016-11-08T22:01:04 < PaulFertser> bertrik: this channel is the most suitable place to ask this question
2016-11-08T22:01:19 < PaulFertser> bertrik: are you planning to build an ethernet-controlled SMPS by any chance?
2016-11-08T22:01:47 < Steffanx> beaky \o/
2016-11-08T22:01:56 < BrainDamage> beaktrik
2016-11-08T22:02:23 < bertrik> PaulFertser: no, I was thinking about something a lot simpler, using a cheap quadcopter remote control as a HID device
2016-11-08T22:02:28 < kakimir> pumps
2016-11-08T22:02:32 < kakimir> sup
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2016-11-08T22:03:19 < PaulFertser> bertrik: https://github.com/paulfertser/stm32-tx-hid/ 
2016-11-08T22:03:37 < PaulFertser> Not compatible with arduino, sorry.
2016-11-08T22:03:43 < KreAture_> zyp I want cheap
2016-11-08T22:03:57 < KreAture_> zyp budget is less than $15 and it would then have to do image sensor interface 
2016-11-08T22:04:45 < KreAture_> what I find funny is these shits don't even have a proper 32bit multiplier
2016-11-08T22:04:53 < KreAture_> you have to make it by using up multiple 18 bit ones
2016-11-08T22:04:57 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-08T22:05:09 < KreAture_> how cheap is a cyclone III ?
2016-11-08T22:05:18 < KreAture_> It has ddr interface
2016-11-08T22:05:20 < KreAture_> :)
2016-11-08T22:06:20 < bertrik> PaulFertser: cool
2016-11-08T22:07:55 < KreAture_> lol $42 !
2016-11-08T22:08:25 < PaulFertser> bertrik: I am, indeed
2016-11-08T22:08:39 < bertrik> PaulFertser: your code reads the various sticks/levers/etc through the ADC right?
2016-11-08T22:08:49 < PaulFertser> bertrik: yes
2016-11-08T22:08:52 < bertrik> I was thinking of receiving them over the air using an NRF24L01+
2016-11-08T22:09:44 < PaulFertser> bertrik: the code is there, extend, keep the virus licence, enjoy.
2016-11-08T22:14:59 < bertrik> PaulFertser: thanks
2016-11-08T22:16:14 < PaulFertser> bertrik: good luck. Just forget the a-word.
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2016-11-08T22:55:49 < manuel__> why do you need 700 kB of SRAM?
2016-11-08T22:57:02 < manuel__> KreAture_: that seems like overkill
2016-11-08T22:57:48 < Steffanx> He's doing some image processing. So not really overkill.
2016-11-08T22:58:14 < manuel__> why not use DRAM
2016-11-08T22:58:18 < manuel__> and a SRAM cache
2016-11-08T22:58:24 < manuel__> for whatever local computation you are doing
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2016-11-08T23:05:07 < KreAture_> manuel__ because I will be receiving two 640x480 pixel images at 8 bit rez
2016-11-08T23:05:15 < KreAture_> manuel__ I need both received to process em
2016-11-08T23:05:28 < manuel__> why not using dram
2016-11-08T23:05:44 < manuel__> what CV do you have to do
2016-11-08T23:10:04 < upgrdman> anyone used nVidia Nsight?
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2016-11-08T23:22:51 < KreAture_> sdram is dram
2016-11-08T23:23:13 < KreAture_> not sram
2016-11-08T23:23:33 < KreAture_> manuel__ lidar :)
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2016-11-08T23:28:31 < manuel__> i know, can't you use dram for the bulk of the data and pipe it into sram when processing
2016-11-08T23:28:37 < upgrdman> R2COM, were they going to jump?
2016-11-08T23:30:16 < Steffanx> Better get Sanders.
2016-11-08T23:30:58 < jadew> any ideas on a good source of LED light bulbs?
2016-11-08T23:30:59 < Steffanx> Lost cause.
2016-11-08T23:31:05 < jadew> I got some from IKEA and they're great
2016-11-08T23:31:12 < jadew> the 600 lumen LEDARE ones
2016-11-08T23:31:33 < jadew> everything else that I tried, short of similarly priced Philips was crap
2016-11-08T23:31:50 < jadew> R2COM, a little bit of both
2016-11-08T23:32:07 < jadew> I haven't left, although I even had a US green card
2016-11-08T23:32:19 < jadew> and I can basically move anywhere I want in the world
2016-11-08T23:32:58 < jadew> yeah, but what's stopping me from going anywhere else?
2016-11-08T23:33:32 < jadew> well, you apply for it
2016-11-08T23:33:38 < jadew> I'm sure I'd qualify
2016-11-08T23:33:46 < jadew> I can easily get a job
2016-11-08T23:34:20 < jadew> still, programmers can emigrate easily, anywhere they'd like
2016-11-08T23:34:47 < jadew> I just don't want to leave, because I don't want to get used to another culture
2016-11-08T23:35:03 < jadew> there are a lot of stuff I'd like to see changed in here tho
2016-11-08T23:35:15 < jadew> freedom
2016-11-08T23:35:38 < jadew> all over EU things seem to be much stricter
2016-11-08T23:35:47 < manuel__> how did you get a green card
2016-11-08T23:36:02 < jadew> manuel__, my mom is a US citizen
2016-11-08T23:36:08 < manuel__> ah i see
2016-11-08T23:36:10 < manuel__> i just applied for one
2016-11-08T23:36:40 < jadew> you know that once you get it you have to stay there at least 6 months/year, right? :)
2016-11-08T23:36:50 < jadew> but I guess you want to move there, right?
2016-11-08T23:36:59 < manuel__> jadew: i already have to
2016-11-08T23:37:03 < manuel__> yeah i'm living in the us on H1b
2016-11-08T23:37:05 < jadew> ah, cool
2016-11-08T23:38:37 < KreAture_> manuel__ for now I have a stm32f103c8t6 accessing a 8Mbyte sdram chip at 2.4 Mbyte/sec
2016-11-08T23:39:01 < jadew> R2COM, Romania is actually very nice
2016-11-08T23:39:17 < jadew> if you want to see the anus of the EU, visit Paris
2016-11-08T23:39:24 < jadew> garbage all over the place, piss, etc
2016-11-08T23:39:29 < upgrdman> in altidong how do i add a post-it-note looking thing on a schematic
2016-11-08T23:39:46 < zyp> draw a square?
2016-11-08T23:39:51 < jadew> R2COM, it's a decent place
2016-11-08T23:39:51 < upgrdman> "text frame" looks like an IC :/
2016-11-08T23:40:04 < jadew> the only thing not ok with it is the public institutions
2016-11-08T23:40:33 < jadew> like, nice people / culture
2016-11-08T23:41:13 < jadew> well, that's a continous battle
2016-11-08T23:41:21 < Steffanx> The world sucks, because people :P
2016-11-08T23:41:29 < jadew> and we've come a long way since the revolution
2016-11-08T23:41:56 < Steffanx> Does anyone here know when they expect the results of the elections?
2016-11-08T23:42:11 < jadew> Steffanx, apparently in about 10 hours or so
2016-11-08T23:42:16 < jadew> maybe less
2016-11-08T23:42:38 < Steffanx> it's done on paper?
2016-11-08T23:42:48 < jadew> then they count them there
2016-11-08T23:42:51 < jadew> at the voting booths
2016-11-08T23:42:57 < PaulFertser> I wonder if romanians are saner than russians and understand that the government should do what the people need, not what the already rich people want.
2016-11-08T23:43:07 < Steffanx> It's almost something i would set my alarm to wake up and see the results, just im too curious.
2016-11-08T23:43:24 < jadew> PaulFertser, as I was saying, it's an ongoing struggle
2016-11-08T23:43:24 < Steffanx> *would set my alarm for
2016-11-08T23:43:33 < jadew> but things are advancing
2016-11-08T23:43:48 < PaulFertser> jadew: russian trend is depressing, we're going backwards in this struggle...
2016-11-08T23:43:52 < jadew> lots of high officials are going to prison lately
2016-11-08T23:43:58 < Steffanx> *just because im too curious... [damn i should read my sentences before i press enter]
2016-11-08T23:44:24 < Steffanx> Only because I want to know if we'll get nuked or not.
2016-11-08T23:44:29 < jadew> R2COM, you'd think so, but no
2016-11-08T23:44:32 < jadew> it's not just one
2016-11-08T23:44:47 < jadew> they've been sweeping them since a couple of years ago
2016-11-08T23:44:52 < jadew> quite a show actually
2016-11-08T23:45:28 < Lux> ReadErr: yeah banana republic
2016-11-08T23:46:13 < ReadErr> was there some bigger reason?
2016-11-08T23:46:16 < ReadErr> or was it really the glue
2016-11-08T23:46:35 < PaulFertser> R2COM: service for people, right? I think we mean the same thing actually.
2016-11-08T23:46:49 < Lux> first time they had to redo it, because the counting of the letter votes wasn't done 100% by protocol, but there was no evidence of any manipulation
2016-11-08T23:46:51 < Lux> basically they counted the votes one day early
2016-11-08T23:46:53 < Lux> 2nd time was due to faulty glue
2016-11-08T23:47:11 < Lux> the sealed envelopes would open randomly
2016-11-08T23:47:19 < Lux> now they even have another issue
2016-11-08T23:47:27 < Lux> for the december election date
2016-11-08T23:47:29 < ReadErr> lol
2016-11-08T23:47:30 < ReadErr> wow
2016-11-08T23:47:48 < Lux> apparently they gave out voting cards without checking the passport number correctly
2016-11-08T23:47:48 < jadew> R2COM, that's bound to happen when people are poor and seem to be unable to breach into the middle class
2016-11-08T23:48:33 < Lux> all because those stupid right wing ideots managed to have the first election redone
2016-11-08T23:49:22 < jadew> R2COM, yeah, but I believe that's because they don't have as many prospects
2016-11-08T23:50:35 < PaulFertser> Also, education is somehow underrated. It looks like many people just do not understand the benefits of learning.
2016-11-08T23:50:49 < jadew> R2COM, what do you mean?
2016-11-08T23:51:08 < PaulFertser> jadew: lack of national identity
2016-11-08T23:51:11 < jadew> PaulFertser, in here there's a big pressure being put on education, but we don't have good schools
2016-11-08T23:51:46 < jadew> I was lucky to go at one of the best schools, with the first generation of hand picked teachers (from the communist era)
2016-11-08T23:51:50 < jadew> they were all amazing
2016-11-08T23:52:10 < jadew> now it's just skillless people with nothing better to do
2016-11-08T23:52:35 < jadew> that's due to low sallaries (no incentive to become a teacher)
2016-11-08T23:52:45 < PaulFertser> jadew: I'd assume most schools in russia suck too. But if one is determined, even a bad school can provide plenty of knowledge, they lend you textbooks etc. And the majority got access to Internet nowadays I think, so they could self-teach if they were motivated enough.
2016-11-08T23:52:58 < jadew> can you please elaborate on the "national identity" thing?
2016-11-08T23:53:35 < PaulFertser> jadew: my grandma (1927) says the most stupid girl of their class became a teacher and that wasn't too surprising back then.
2016-11-08T23:53:57 < jadew> PaulFertser, hehe
2016-11-08T23:54:13 < jadew> R2COM, didn't know that
2016-11-08T23:54:37 < jadew> aren't russians very white? white walker style?
2016-11-08T23:55:13 < PaulFertser> There're several different Caucaus nations even. 
2016-11-08T23:55:42 < jadew> silly
2016-11-08T23:55:55 < PaulFertser> Happens everywhere in the world
2016-11-08T23:56:24 < PaulFertser> But Israel jews define them as russians :)
2016-11-08T23:56:34 < BrainDamage> even italy has racism where north hates the south, and it's a tiny fraction of russia in size
2016-11-08T23:56:41 < BrainDamage> it's really no surprise
2016-11-08T23:56:55 < jadew> we don't have a lot of that
2016-11-08T23:57:02 < jadew> we just make fun of each other's accents
2016-11-08T23:57:20 < jadew> and we might have mean jokes, but otherwise, everyone is united
2016-11-08T23:57:28 < BrainDamage> we do have different roots too if you accoun the islands
2016-11-08T23:57:33 < BrainDamage> literally diff genes
2016-11-08T23:57:57 < jadew> BrainDamage, I can see how that can be a problem
2016-11-08T23:58:35 < jadew> we have stories with Sultans too
2016-11-08T23:58:50 < jadew> but that's mainly because we had lots of wars with Turkey
2016-11-08T23:59:29 < PaulFertser> (sort of unrelated, but there exists an elaborate classification system for "kid stories" and other folk tales: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aarne-Thompson_classification_systems )
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2016-11-09T00:00:25 < PaulFertser> R2COM: I think the question is, why do you think lack of national identity is a problem for russia?
2016-11-09T00:01:29 < jadew> R2COM, here's an important question
2016-11-09T00:01:29 < PaulFertser> Didn't germans have national identity back then when they got a desire to dominate?
2016-11-09T00:01:39 < jadew> is everyone equally represented in government?
2016-11-09T00:02:08 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-09T00:02:14 < jadew> I see
2016-11-09T00:02:35 < jadew> I imagine that if you integrate everyone and they're all pushing for the same goals (not ethnic specific agendas) then everyone else will follow
2016-11-09T00:03:05 < PaulFertser> jadew: goverment mostly consists of members of one party, and they seem to share desire for money and power by all means, their own national identities seem to play no role mostly.
2016-11-09T00:03:45 < jadew> PaulFertser, well, that's still better than having people of different ethnicities pushing ethnic based laws :)
2016-11-09T00:04:49 < PaulFertser> jadew: heh. And yes, Chechnya is special-cased. It's like a small military dictatorship country inside russia which gets plenty of federal money and in return it keeps their terrorists self-contained afaict.
2016-11-09T00:05:10 < jadew> PaulFertser, heh
2016-11-09T00:05:49 < jadew> haha
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2016-11-09T00:07:29 < jadew> how do you know that?
2016-11-09T00:07:55 < PaulFertser> Russia is lucky to have them exported, we wouldn't like them operating inside the country :) 
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2016-11-09T00:13:51 < jadew> what are the comments saying?
2016-11-09T00:15:23 < jadew> I don't understand tho
2016-11-09T00:15:31 < jadew> why would they fight on both sides?
2016-11-09T00:16:23 < jadew> who's opposition?
2016-11-09T00:16:30 < jadew> I see
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2016-11-09T00:19:44 < jadew> do you understand anything they're saying?
2016-11-09T00:20:21 < jadew> ah
2016-11-09T00:21:32 < jadew> oh well, now back to my LED light bulb question
2016-11-09T00:21:50 < jadew> any ideas on a good source (IKEA quality, not chinese crap)
2016-11-09T00:22:09 < jadew> I had some 600 lumen IKEA ones and they were great
2016-11-09T00:22:21 < jadew> but I'm hoping for something better than $10/pcs
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2016-11-09T00:35:01 < jadew> I just realized something
2016-11-09T00:35:23 < jadew> do incandescent bulbs have a better spectrum output?
2016-11-09T00:35:39 < jadew> meaning you get more colors with them?
2016-11-09T00:36:34 < BrainDamage> they have way better color rendition index if that's what you're asking
2016-11-09T00:36:55 < jadew> is that like on monitors? 9x%?
2016-11-09T00:36:58 < BrainDamage> because it's the same process as what happends in the sun, just at a lowr temp
2016-11-09T00:37:35 < jadew> interesting
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2016-11-09T00:38:11 < BrainDamage> the ideal white emitter at max efficiency would be 2 lasers, one yellow and one blue
2016-11-09T00:38:24 < BrainDamage> but every surfac would look like shit
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2016-11-09T00:39:18 < jadew> why would it look bad?
2016-11-09T00:40:14 < BrainDamage> basic physics, stuff looks coloured because sun's light has every component of the visible spectrum ( not with equal weighs tought ), surface absorbs some and reflects othr
2016-11-09T00:40:21 < BrainDamage> you see what's reflected
2016-11-09T00:40:49 < BrainDamage> but if incident light has only 2 spectral lines, you lose all that
2016-11-09T00:42:10 < jadew> wouldn't that be 3 lines?
2016-11-09T00:42:28 < BrainDamage> why 3
2016-11-09T00:42:35 < jadew> yellow is green + red
2016-11-09T00:42:44 < BrainDamage> yellow is yellow
2016-11-09T00:42:47 < BrainDamage> not green + red
2016-11-09T00:43:02 < jadew> we don't have a yellow sensor
2016-11-09T00:43:15 < BrainDamage> only because RGB is a complete base
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2016-11-09T00:43:29 < BrainDamage> but there is a yellow frequency
2016-11-09T00:43:47 < jadew> ah, so you mean something in between that would get picked by both sensors?
2016-11-09T00:43:47 < BrainDamage> also in fact our eyes do extract a yellow channel internally
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2016-11-09T00:43:57 < jadew> I wonder if that's actually possible
2016-11-09T00:43:57 < Laurenceb_> top kek https://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/11/08/2135256/the-first-hyperloop-system-will-connect-passengers-from-dubai-to-abu-dhabi-in-twelve-minutes
2016-11-09T00:44:05 < BrainDamage> what actuall possible?
2016-11-09T00:44:06 < jadew> how much of the spectrum do we really pick up?
2016-11-09T00:44:20 < BrainDamage> google photopic and scotopic curves
2016-11-09T00:44:35 < BrainDamage> that's the eye's spectrum sensitivity as function of frequency
2016-11-09T00:44:59 < jadew> ah, ok
2016-11-09T00:45:07 < Laurenceb_> whats this?
2016-11-09T00:45:19 < Laurenceb_> what wavelength are you trying to see?
2016-11-09T00:46:43 < jadew> but then does really spectrally pure yellow + blue register as white?
2016-11-09T00:46:49 < BrainDamage> yes
2016-11-09T00:47:01 < jadew> that's interesting
2016-11-09T00:47:15  * Laurenceb_ can see from 350nm to 870
2016-11-09T00:47:30 < BrainDamage> you can achive white in many ways
2016-11-09T00:47:37 < jadew> Laurenceb, you checked?
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2016-11-09T00:47:53 < Laurenceb_> yes
2016-11-09T00:48:00 < jadew> BrainDamage, yeah, I guess it's a matter of exciting all 3 sensors the right amount
2016-11-09T00:48:39 < BrainDamage> howrever, because of the previous mechanism, incident light isn't the same as reflected
2016-11-09T00:48:45 < Laurenceb_> I could probably see further but my eyes would burn out first
2016-11-09T00:49:03 < BrainDamage> so "white" lights aren't the same when they illuminate surfaces
2016-11-09T00:49:07 < Laurenceb_> I'm talking looking straight at a 1W led in complete dark
2016-11-09T00:49:21 < BrainDamage> and they aren't the same when illuminating ccd sensors either
2016-11-09T00:50:02 < jadew> hmm, CCD sensors would have to be as close to that graph as possible, no?
2016-11-09T00:50:04 < BrainDamage> because the sensors' response curves aren't same as human eyes, so led lighting produces andeven different colour set for machine vision
2016-11-09T00:50:34 < BrainDamage> that's the overall sensitivity, the invididual sensor matters
2016-11-09T00:50:50 < upgrdman> i need 27 comparators. is there an efficient way to get this? or just a bunch of quad op amp ICs>
2016-11-09T00:50:59 < BrainDamage> also why the cinema industry has a different colour rendition indexes
2016-11-09T00:51:07 < jadew> upgrdman, CPLD
2016-11-09T00:51:11 < jadew> oh nvm
2016-11-09T00:51:13 < jadew> lol
2016-11-09T00:51:19 < BrainDamage> because even lamps that look ok irl will look like shit when taped
2016-11-09T00:51:27 < upgrdman> i already have a cpld on board, but the lvds inputs are being used for other stuff :)
2016-11-09T00:52:27 < BrainDamage> you can buy the analog equivalent of fpga
2016-11-09T00:52:38 < BrainDamage> the question is: how much do you want to spend? :p
2016-11-09T00:52:41 < jadew> BrainDamage, so waht LED bulb do you recommend? :D
2016-11-09T00:53:27 < BrainDamage> buy in brick and mortar store and bring a picture, go to the wall of lights and look at the picture
2016-11-09T00:53:30 < jadew> I see the IKEA ones I got have a color index of 87
2016-11-09T00:53:38 < jadew> that's good I guess, because I like them
2016-11-09T00:53:47 < BrainDamage> 87 is bretty good, 100 is incandescent
2016-11-09T00:54:06 < jadew> ah ha
2016-11-09T00:54:10 < jadew> how's 80?
2016-11-09T00:54:31 < jadew> still decent or it's not worth it?
2016-11-09T00:55:27 < jadew> that's more important than the temperature, isn't it?
2016-11-09T00:55:57 < BrainDamage> the shittiest lamps around have about 50
2016-11-09T00:56:28 < BrainDamage> unless you count the yellow sodium lamps, those have about 25
2016-11-09T00:56:53 < jadew> I got some LED bubls for $3 each and they felt like shitty neon lamps
2016-11-09T00:56:56 < jadew> the green kind
2016-11-09T00:57:28 < BrainDamage> temp gives you the center colour, cri is a better figure, yes but even cri is a shitty number
2016-11-09T00:58:18 < upgrdman> whats a cheap common rail-to-rail comparator
2016-11-09T01:05:20 < jadew> upgrdman, filter by rail-to-rail and sort by price? :)
2016-11-09T01:06:02 < upgrdman> problem is then i often get random stuff, which if EOL'd may not use a common pinout
2016-11-09T01:06:24 < upgrdman> *if EOL'd may be a pain because ...
2016-11-09T01:26:34 < jadew> R2COM, I'm just looking to replace the incandescent light bulbs in here
2016-11-09T01:27:09 < upgrdman> hmm that could work
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2016-11-09T01:28:50 < zyp> cool, did you buy one?
2016-11-09T01:29:44 < Laurenceb_> lulwut  https://archive.org/details/response_201611
2016-11-09T01:30:30 < Laurenceb_> the face of /pol/ breaks all stereotypes
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2016-11-09T01:35:12 < Laurenceb_> I think she is an epin trawl
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2016-11-09T01:36:45 < Laurenceb_> but only some are successful
2016-11-09T01:36:51 < Laurenceb_> this one was very successful
2016-11-09T01:37:12 < aandrew> nazi nonsense?
2016-11-09T01:37:16 < Laurenceb_> I enjoy the epin lulz
2016-11-09T01:37:35 < jadew> what are we talking about?
2016-11-09T01:38:09 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwsDMLCWQAA2ISU.jpg
2016-11-09T01:38:17 < Laurenceb_>  /pol/acks confirmed as loli
2016-11-09T01:38:45 < jadew> what's pol/acks?
2016-11-09T01:38:54 < manuel__> anyone here playing shenzen io?
2016-11-09T01:38:55 < Laurenceb_> weirdo channers
2016-11-09T01:40:07 < aandrew> wf
2016-11-09T01:40:09 < aandrew> wtf
2016-11-09T01:40:25 < Laurenceb_> wait
2016-11-09T01:40:33 < Laurenceb_> this sounds like a new trolling technique
2016-11-09T01:40:46 < Laurenceb_> is there a viking salute for trolling brits?
2016-11-09T01:40:52 < jadew> lol, I'm watching that video
2016-11-09T01:41:36 < Laurenceb_> sounds untrollish :-/
2016-11-09T01:42:07 < jadew> got bored, but I'll tell you this
2016-11-09T01:42:12 < jadew> she has a psycho face
2016-11-09T01:42:23 < Laurenceb_> yeah ikr
2016-11-09T01:42:27 < Laurenceb_> but I still would
2016-11-09T01:42:32 < jadew> me too
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2016-11-09T01:42:39 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2016-11-09T01:43:03 < Laurenceb_> eww dont go there
2016-11-09T01:43:28 < decimad> hillary should have worn a cheap red baseball cap
2016-11-09T01:45:02 < Laurenceb_> epin page is epin https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Evalion
2016-11-09T01:45:04 < jadew> we're all anctiously waiting for the results
2016-11-09T01:46:04 < Laurenceb_> lul @ "nazifur"
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2016-11-09T01:49:27 < jadew> wait, she's going to prison?
2016-11-09T01:49:35 < Laurenceb_> Living in a cucked up country like Canada probably explains why she is retarded enough to publicly describe herself as a National Socialist. As she is still young, hopefully this is just an edgy phase and she will eventually realize how stupid Socialism is
2016-11-09T01:49:39 < Laurenceb_> irl lulling
2016-11-09T01:49:51 < ReadErr> wtf is wrong with this 'girl'
2016-11-09T01:50:05 < ReadErr> she has downs?
2016-11-09T01:50:10 < Laurenceb_> ED delivers
2016-11-09T01:50:10 < ReadErr> she looks and sounds retarded
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2016-11-09T01:50:22 < ReadErr> k
2016-11-09T01:50:51 < jadew> I think she's just attention whoring
2016-11-09T01:51:18 < ReadErr> it sounds like shes reading a script too
2016-11-09T01:51:36 < jadew> she probably is
2016-11-09T01:51:54 < jadew> maybe that's why the psycho face
2016-11-09T01:51:59 < jadew> she's a bad actor
2016-11-09T01:52:36 < jadew> R2COM, but we don't care about any of it lol
2016-11-09T01:53:02 < Laurenceb_> GOTIS
2016-11-09T01:56:37 < Laurenceb_> GOTIS
2016-11-09T01:56:41 < Laurenceb_> GOTIS
2016-11-09T01:59:24 < jadew> I need a system to display my whiteboards, after I digitize them
2016-11-09T01:59:32 < jadew> suggestions? cheap and big
2016-11-09T02:00:42 < jadew> yeah, that's what I thought too, but they're bulky and have all kinds of requirements
2016-11-09T02:01:09 < jadew> I guess that's the last resort if nothing better is available
2016-11-09T02:01:26 < jadew> are there any tiny projectors that do a good job?
2016-11-09T02:01:36 < jadew> they don't even have to be color
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2016-11-09T02:02:51 < jadew> I guess it's time to unpack my old projector and see how it does
2016-11-09T02:03:31 < jadew> are these any good? http://hotpenguin.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/hdmi_pocket_projector.jpg
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2016-11-09T02:03:50 < BrainDamage> the compact ones have shit luminosity
2016-11-09T02:04:01 < BrainDamage> good only in very dark envs
2016-11-09T02:04:17 < jadew> that could be useful sometimes
2016-11-09T02:04:42 < jadew> but usually I just want my previous whiteboards available as I'm doing new stuff on the real one
2016-11-09T02:05:02 < jadew> (so there's lots of light)
2016-11-09T02:06:18 < jadew> not sure what kind of resolution I need either
2016-11-09T02:08:45 < jadew> that would be an expensive monitor
2016-11-09T02:09:08 < upgrdman_> finally got apitrace working! 
2016-11-09T02:09:33 < upgrdman_> damn this is pretty cool. can record and playback opengl. can profile gpu and cpu times for each call
2016-11-09T02:09:47 < upgrdman_> can even view bound framebuffers, etc.
2016-11-09T02:10:22 < ReadErr> something isnt right with that girl
2016-11-09T02:10:26 < ReadErr> I cant put my finger on it though
2016-11-09T02:10:36 < ReadErr> its too robotic/synthetic 
2016-11-09T02:11:48 < upgrdman_> jadew, i've seen a few of those in person. i fucking hate those laser projectors.
2016-11-09T02:12:20 < upgrdman_> you can see the picture redraw if you move your eyes. r/g/b motion blur, really fucking annoying to me
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2016-11-09T02:16:27 < Laurenceb_> whats the live betting thing called?
2016-11-09T02:16:39 < Laurenceb_> for presidential elections and shit
2016-11-09T02:16:58 < Laurenceb_> like live betting market
2016-11-09T02:17:01 < ReadErr> fantasy democracy ?
2016-11-09T02:17:13  * Laurenceb_ epic brainfail
2016-11-09T02:19:20 < ReadErr> i just made that up idk
2016-11-09T02:21:31 < Laurenceb_> oih shit
2016-11-09T02:21:39 < Laurenceb_> the crazy shit has started already
2016-11-09T02:21:46 < Laurenceb_> votes coming in
2016-11-09T02:22:10 < jadew> link?
2016-11-09T02:22:41 < Laurenceb_> like check the news
2016-11-09T02:23:13 < ReadErr> http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/07/politics/live-election-results-coverage/index.html
2016-11-09T02:23:20 < Laurenceb_> status: looking up sheltering techniques for nuclear fallout
2016-11-09T02:23:43 < ReadErr>  damn FL is gonna be close
2016-11-09T02:23:53 < ReadErr> but its the bumfuck counties that have reported
2016-11-09T02:24:05 < ReadErr> not hilldawgs turf 
2016-11-09T02:25:07 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_: the l0de ray dio hour starts in 30 mins too
2016-11-09T02:25:44 < jadew> is Trump winning?
2016-11-09T02:25:53 < ReadErr> jadew: too early
2016-11-09T02:25:57 < ReadErr> waay to early
2016-11-09T02:26:11 < ReadErr> another 30-1hr more results will be in 
2016-11-09T02:26:16 < ReadErr> yea just reporting order
2016-11-09T02:26:36 < ReadErr> some polls closed at 7PM (30 mins ago)
2016-11-09T02:26:39 < ReadErr> some close at 8
2016-11-09T02:27:21 < Laurenceb_> results so far showing ~18% swing to trump compared to Romney
2016-11-09T02:27:33 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2016-11-09T02:27:46 < ReadErr> ?
2016-11-09T02:28:00 < ReadErr> nooiiice
2016-11-09T02:28:10 < jadew> who's that other guy?
2016-11-09T02:28:15 < Laurenceb_> comparing same results from 2012
2016-11-09T02:28:15 < jadew> there's a 3rd guy in the race?
2016-11-09T02:28:24 < Laurenceb_> wheres Aleppo?
2016-11-09T02:28:36 < Laurenceb_> dude weed lmao
2016-11-09T02:29:00 < ReadErr> johnson 
2016-11-09T02:29:02 < ReadErr> hes retarded
2016-11-09T02:29:18 < Laurenceb_> murica sucks so much even 3rd party is retarded
2016-11-09T02:29:19 < ReadErr> like lives in a bubble 
2016-11-09T02:29:31 < Laurenceb_> in fact he is even more retarded than trump or hillary
2016-11-09T02:29:37 < Laurenceb_> as if that was even possible
2016-11-09T02:29:48 < ReadErr> yea hes just straight up dumb
2016-11-09T02:29:54 < ReadErr> im not sure how he got the nomination 
2016-11-09T02:30:21 < Laurenceb_> libertarians are their own worst enemies
2016-11-09T02:31:39 < jadew> what are electoral votes?
2016-11-09T02:32:02 < zyp> what actually matters
2016-11-09T02:32:20 < jadew> but what exactly are they?
2016-11-09T02:32:37 < jadew> are they calculated from the actual votes?
2016-11-09T02:32:43 < Laurenceb_> who cares
2016-11-09T02:32:44 < zyp> each state have an allocated number of electoral votes
2016-11-09T02:32:50 < jadew> I see
2016-11-09T02:32:51 < Laurenceb_> we're fucked whatever happens
2016-11-09T02:33:00 < zyp> there's an independent election in each state and the winner takes all
2016-11-09T02:33:11 < jadew> ah, I see
2016-11-09T02:33:15 < jadew> that's weird
2016-11-09T02:33:34 < zyp> so you can win even though the other candidate got more votes in total, depending on how it's distributed across the states
2016-11-09T02:33:40 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-09T02:33:42 < jadew> that's stupid
2016-11-09T02:33:56 < zyp> IIRC al gore had more votes than bush, but bush still won due to more electoral votes
2016-11-09T02:34:54 < jadew> are there any other countries doing it like that?
2016-11-09T02:36:58 < aandrew> hm interesting
2016-11-09T02:37:01 < zyp> idk, norway doesn't
2016-11-09T02:37:06 < aandrew> the cortex processors have a series of fault registers
2016-11-09T02:37:25 < zyp> well, we've got electoral votes per county or something similar in norway too
2016-11-09T02:37:50 < zyp> but they're distributed across parties corresponding to amount of votes
2016-11-09T02:38:10 < ReadErr> ours are distributed on population
2016-11-09T02:38:11 < zyp> and there's some extra stuff to even out rounding errors
2016-11-09T02:38:15 < zyp> yeah
2016-11-09T02:40:49 < dongs> status of trump
2016-11-09T02:41:06 < aandrew> trumped
2016-11-09T02:41:13 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: fault registers are v useful for debugging
2016-11-09T02:41:18 < aandrew> hillary gonna spank him like a little baby
2016-11-09T02:41:19 < zyp> hard to say, looks like a super close race right now
2016-11-09T02:41:28 < Laurenceb_> dongs: still showing swing to trump from Romney
2016-11-09T02:41:39 < Laurenceb_> meaning poss Trump win
2016-11-09T02:42:07 < zyp> yeah
2016-11-09T02:42:12 < Laurenceb_> UK elections have swingometer, way easier to follow
2016-11-09T02:42:48 < jadew> 27 to 3 is easy to follow too
2016-11-09T02:43:03 < jadew> but apparently that can change a lot in the next couple of hours
2016-11-09T02:43:04 < Laurenceb_> this calls for a Kalman filter
2016-11-09T02:43:06 < zyp> nah
2016-11-09T02:43:24 < zyp> CA is gonna be counted late and add 55 to hillary
2016-11-09T02:43:39 < jadew> 24, sorry, not 27
2016-11-09T02:43:44 < zyp> so trump will have a lead until CA is counted
2016-11-09T02:45:25 < dongs> don't f orget alaska
2016-11-09T02:45:27 < dongs> like 99% trump
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2016-11-09T02:46:04 < zyp> 3 electoral votes, not gonna matter much
2016-11-09T02:46:35 < zyp> trump is 3pp ahead in florida
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2016-11-09T02:46:53 < zyp> which sounds like it could be a deciding factor
2016-11-09T02:48:49 <@englishman> lol trump landslide
2016-11-09T02:48:55 <@englishman> rob ford reelected
2016-11-09T02:49:01 < zyp> oh, now hillary is 1.3pp ahead
2016-11-09T03:00:56 < jadew> this is entertaining
2016-11-09T03:01:01 < jadew> they should do this more often
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2016-11-09T03:06:44 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGG6_TWMk7Y&feature=youtu.be
2016-11-09T03:06:47 < ReadErr> the LRH is up
2016-11-09T03:09:06 < decimad> fucking shit fucking
2016-11-09T03:11:22 < Rob235> how would I use a mosfet as a switch.  I have gate connected the the mcu gpio pin, I am going to pull the current from source and not the mcu.  how do I set up the load (IR LED) and the source/drain pins
2016-11-09T03:12:33 < zyp> Rob235, source to ground, negative side of load to drain
2016-11-09T03:12:53 < zyp> LeelooMinai, eh, fuck that, it's only going to be a led
2016-11-09T03:13:00 < Rob235> 100mA though
2016-11-09T03:13:04 < Rob235> if that matters
2016-11-09T03:13:40 < jadew> zyp, she's talking about the capacitance of the gate
2016-11-09T03:13:41 < zyp> LeelooMinai, small load -> small transistor -> small gate capacitance -> small inrush current
2016-11-09T03:13:51 < jadew> you normally want to limit the current going into the gate
2016-11-09T03:13:55 < Rob235> I connect it to gnd on the mcu and gnd from the power src?
2016-11-09T03:14:12 < zyp> jadew, for small fets there's no point
2016-11-09T03:14:34 < zyp> it would matter if you were doing huge currents
2016-11-09T03:15:00 < zyp> also, series resistor would slow it down, and since this will be a remote it'll be switching at like 38kHz
2016-11-09T03:15:45 < jadew> well, it's at least something to keep in mind
2016-11-09T03:16:08 < jadew> if you get a lot of weird spikes on the supply line, you might consider throwing in a resistor in there
2016-11-09T03:16:23 < Rob235> I'll check once it's wired up
2016-11-09T03:16:28 < Rob235> just have this left to do
2016-11-09T03:18:31 < jadew> anyone wanna place bets on the FL outcome? :D
2016-11-09T03:18:37 < zyp> Laurenceb_, this you wanted: http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president/florida ?
2016-11-09T03:18:50 < jadew> hah, nice
2016-11-09T03:19:06 < emeb_mac> that nytimes page is insane - seems to be updating ~5Hz or so
2016-11-09T03:19:22 < Laurenceb_> muh javascript
2016-11-09T03:19:23 < jadew> rand()
2016-11-09T03:19:34 < Laurenceb_> hate to think how badly that kills processors with failfox
2016-11-09T03:19:41 < jadew> keeps the fools excited
2016-11-09T03:19:53 < jadew> Laurenceb, you can check
2016-11-09T03:20:17 < Laurenceb_> I never sadi I'd vote Trump
2016-11-09T03:20:21 < jadew> kills CPU with Chrome too
2016-11-09T03:20:28 < Laurenceb_> my family are all hard left and voted trump cuz no bernie
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2016-11-09T03:22:05 < jadew> I guess that if they get a tie, they can just count the votes
2016-11-09T03:22:17 < jadew> but who knows
2016-11-09T03:22:21 < jadew> this system is silly anyway
2016-11-09T03:22:40 < jadew> I wonder why it's done like this to begin with
2016-11-09T03:22:57 < emeb_mac> no margin in the end. generally there are recounts with small margins tho
2016-11-09T03:23:12 < emeb_mac> see FL in 2000
2016-11-09T03:23:13 < Laurenceb_> but they were only trolling when they voted for Trump
2016-11-09T03:23:26 < Laurenceb_> they will be killing themselves now
2016-11-09T03:24:48 < Laurenceb_> oh shit Trump takes lead in Fl
2016-11-09T03:24:55 < jadew> lol
2016-11-09T03:24:59 < jadew> that's FL?
2016-11-09T03:25:15 < emeb_mac> this is a surprise?
2016-11-09T03:25:20 < jadew> it's on the east side?
2016-11-09T03:25:21 < Laurenceb_> all my relatives are in Florida
2016-11-09T03:25:48 < Laurenceb_> blame them
2016-11-09T03:25:49 < jadew> I always thought it's on the other side
2016-11-09T03:25:51 < Laurenceb_> Leeloo: swingometer predicts poss Trump victory at this point
2016-11-09T03:26:19 < Laurenceb_> Trump winning
2016-11-09T03:26:45 < Laurenceb_> Leeloo: compare same results from last election and look at swing, then extrapolate
2016-11-09T03:27:17 < Laurenceb_> either way it will be tight and we know that means Gore/Bush style crazyness
2016-11-09T03:27:23 < Laurenceb_> I want off the ride mr bones
2016-11-09T03:27:26 < jadew> the CNN coverage is annoying
2016-11-09T03:27:43 < jadew> they speak too fast
2016-11-09T03:27:52 < jadew> it's tireing
2016-11-09T03:28:34 < Laurenceb_> its a bit hyper
2016-11-09T03:28:46 < Laurenceb_> they should spread it over about 4 days
2016-11-09T03:28:49 < Laurenceb_> so we can relaz
2016-11-09T03:28:51 < Laurenceb_> *x
2016-11-09T03:29:32 < Laurenceb_> I dont get how they process it so fast, uk is way slower
2016-11-09T03:30:03 <@englishman> CBC always has the best coverage
2016-11-09T03:30:08 <@englishman> Without being fucking annoying
2016-11-09T03:31:41 < Laurenceb_> erm check the actual number of reported votes
2016-11-09T03:32:00 < Laurenceb_> error margins are a thing
2016-11-09T03:32:55 < Laurenceb_> I'd never live in muricaland, climate is too extreme 4 me
2016-11-09T03:33:08 < Laurenceb_> in UK I can wear a t-shirt outside about 95% of the time
2016-11-09T03:33:18 <@englishman> lol when do u go outside
2016-11-09T03:33:28 <@englishman> plz
2016-11-09T03:33:29 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2016-11-09T03:33:32 <@englishman> laurence
2016-11-09T03:33:39 <@englishman> yr kilin me
2016-11-09T03:33:42 < Laurenceb_> usa is like -50C today, +50C tomorrow
2016-11-09T03:34:22 < Laurenceb_> UK is perfect ~11C all the time
2016-11-09T03:34:41 < Laurenceb_> cold but not too cold
2016-11-09T03:35:00 < jadew> Laurenceb, that swingmeter thing is updating about once every 10 or so seconds
2016-11-09T03:35:50 < jadew> I'll try to speed it up :D
2016-11-09T03:36:13 < Laurenceb_> on uk tv swingmeter is a big analogue dial
2016-11-09T03:36:16 < Laurenceb_> for extra lulz
2016-11-09T03:36:31 < Laurenceb_> as in physical studio prop
2016-11-09T03:36:41 < jadew> ah, nice
2016-11-09T03:37:06 < Laurenceb_> and presenters go all nerdy like "ooh ooh it twitched"
2016-11-09T03:37:54 < Laurenceb_> needs Kalman dial with two error pointers
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2016-11-09T03:39:44 < jadew> fixed
2016-11-09T03:40:03 < jadew> line 46163 of general-main.js
2016-11-09T03:41:05 < jadew> 79% Trump
2016-11-09T03:41:32 < Laurenceb_> hahaha
2016-11-09T03:41:35 < Laurenceb_> fixing their js
2016-11-09T03:41:45 < Laurenceb_> oh my god 46163 lines
2016-11-09T03:41:47 < Laurenceb_> whyyyyy
2016-11-09T03:42:08 < Laurenceb_> so this is why js kills my processor
2016-11-09T03:42:19 < jadew> Laurenceb, there are more, but that's the line where you can replace the 15 seconds delay with a 3 seconds delay :P
2016-11-09T03:42:30 < jadew> Laurenceb, precisely
2016-11-09T03:42:40 < zyp> R2COM, no spam please
2016-11-09T03:42:42 < jadew> and that's just one piece of js on their site
2016-11-09T03:43:03 < Laurenceb_> holy mother of trump js sucks
2016-11-09T03:43:28 < Laurenceb_> maybe trump can build a wall to protect us from javascript
2016-11-09T03:43:29 < jadew> I'm following it on the now improved nyt site
2016-11-09T03:43:46 < jadew> http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president/florida
2016-11-09T03:44:16 < jadew> cuz that's what we were all wondering about
2016-11-09T03:44:52 < jadew> looks outdated
2016-11-09T03:45:10 < jadew> ah, nvm
2016-11-09T03:45:16 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_: 
2016-11-09T03:45:19 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGG6_TWMk7Y&feature=youtu.be
2016-11-09T03:45:24 < ReadErr> troll radio 
2016-11-09T03:46:39 < ReadErr> yes
2016-11-09T03:46:57 < jadew> we should have one
2016-11-09T03:47:05 < ReadErr> bcuz nobody here is entertaining 
2016-11-09T03:47:10 < ReadErr> call up R2COM and rage
2016-11-09T03:47:16 < ReadErr> lets see
2016-11-09T03:47:18 < jadew> R2COM, so get on it
2016-11-09T03:48:12 < ReadErr> you can talk about anything
2016-11-09T03:48:32 < jadew> ok so quick question, how are those votes counted?
2016-11-09T03:48:43 < zyp> jadew, 1, 2, 3, 4, …
2016-11-09T03:48:55 < jadew> heh
2016-11-09T03:49:06 < ReadErr> jadew: they are mostly electronic 
2016-11-09T03:49:06 < zyp> as far as I understand, exact method varies between states
2016-11-09T03:49:11 < jadew> well, it's not instant so it can't be an electronic vote
2016-11-09T03:49:19 < zyp> some do hand counting, some use scantron, some have full electronic voting booths
2016-11-09T03:49:23 < jadew> and it's too fast for manual counting
2016-11-09T03:49:24 < ReadErr> jadew: they arent connected to the internet
2016-11-09T03:49:30 < ReadErr> they have to hook them up and upload etc
2016-11-09T03:50:03 < jadew> oh, so they probably have a machine that's counting them?
2016-11-09T03:50:20 < zyp> jadew, for scantron, that's the point
2016-11-09T03:51:11 < ReadErr> irccloud
2016-11-09T03:51:26 < ReadErr> only difference is it stays connected
2016-11-09T03:51:31 < ReadErr> after 2hrs of inactivity 
2016-11-09T03:51:51 < ReadErr> and passworded server support
2016-11-09T03:52:18 < ReadErr> free or $5 a month
2016-11-09T03:52:26 < ReadErr> theres ways to make it free using keepalives
2016-11-09T03:52:37 < jadew> what are you talking about?
2016-11-09T03:53:16 <@englishman> Irccloud
2016-11-09T03:53:19 <@englishman> which is gr8
2016-11-09T03:53:39 <@englishman> yes
2016-11-09T03:55:21 < jadew> ok, I'm done with the elections, let me know who wins
2016-11-09T03:56:30 < jadew> nah, gonna play some worms
2016-11-09T03:57:32 < jadew> I haven't played in a while (until yesterday)
2016-11-09T03:58:07 < jadew> if I can find something equally nice
2016-11-09T03:58:49 < jadew> didn't like it
2016-11-09T03:59:09 < jadew> played it for an hour or two and it didn't start
2016-11-09T04:00:39 < jadew> I don't know wth that game is supposed to be
2016-11-09T04:03:20 < ReadErr>  huh fine
2016-11-09T04:04:11 < ReadErr> google I guess
2016-11-09T04:04:16 < ReadErr> or watch the LRH LeelooMinai 
2016-11-09T04:05:09 < dongs> blue and red
2016-11-09T04:05:13 < dongs> ill never understand this shit
2016-11-09T04:05:21 < dongs> what stops trump from being blue or the other one being red
2016-11-09T04:05:40 < ReadErr> they decided on colors when colored tvs came out
2016-11-09T04:05:52 < ReadErr> one station picked them and they decided to standardize
2016-11-09T04:06:01 < ReadErr> yea theres a Vox ep on it
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2016-11-09T04:07:41 < ReadErr> its texas
2016-11-09T04:08:30 < ReadErr> they just stopped 8 minutes ago?
2016-11-09T04:08:39 < ReadErr> its not instant
2016-11-09T04:09:29 < jadew> LeelooMinai, what are you using for those screenshots?
2016-11-09T04:09:42 < dongs> manshots
2016-11-09T04:09:48 < ReadErr> CNN shows it yellow
2016-11-09T04:09:54 < ReadErr> jadew: ShareX
2016-11-09T04:09:56 < ReadErr> is dope for windows
2016-11-09T04:10:10 < dongs> uhh
2016-11-09T04:10:18 < dongs> whats wrong wiht winkey-snip->enter
2016-11-09T04:10:22 < jadew> thanks
2016-11-09T04:10:24 < ReadErr> this uploads it
2016-11-09T04:10:28 < dongs> ?
2016-11-09T04:10:28 < ReadErr> and puts the link in your clipboard
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2016-11-09T04:10:36 < ReadErr> so its like 2 sec
2016-11-09T04:10:42 < ReadErr> and you have direct link
2016-11-09T04:11:02 < jadew> I made something similar that uploaded it on my server, but I always wanted something for imgur and didn't feel like changing mine
2016-11-09T04:11:09 < jadew> LeelooMinai, nice
2016-11-09T04:11:12 < jadew> I'll check it out
2016-11-09T04:11:21 < dongs> wut
2016-11-09T04:11:23 < dongs> its in .NET
2016-11-09T04:11:27 < ReadErr> its gr8
2016-11-09T04:11:31 < ReadErr> ive been using for a while
2016-11-09T04:11:40 < dongs> Free, open source, lightweight
2016-11-09T04:11:42 < dongs> nope.
2016-11-09T04:11:43 < ReadErr> yea
2016-11-09T04:11:47 < dongs> im not running anything .NET in background
2016-11-09T04:11:47 < ReadErr> your loss
2016-11-09T04:11:51 <@englishman> lol I can't believe this douchebag used car salesman is actually gonna be president
2016-11-09T04:11:54 < dongs> windows snipping tool works
2016-11-09T04:12:14 < ReadErr> dongs: it aint on that level
2016-11-09T04:13:17 < ReadErr> yea custom workflow
2016-11-09T04:13:18 < ReadErr> etc
2016-11-09T04:13:24 < ReadErr> gif screencapture
2016-11-09T04:13:27 < ReadErr> video maker shit
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2016-11-09T04:23:16 < ReadErr> its still way too early?
2016-11-09T04:26:04 < ReadErr> well you gotta count the 55 from cali
2016-11-09T04:26:10 < ReadErr> thats a big hitter for her
2016-11-09T04:29:43 < upgrdman> good job china   https://gfycat.com/IdolizedScrawnyChevrotain
2016-11-09T04:31:08 < upgrdman> BaB == wanking?
2016-11-09T04:31:42 < upgrdman> theres lots of ~every ethnicity in so cal. no joke.
2016-11-09T04:36:05 < ReadErr> yea prolly
2016-11-09T04:36:29 < jadew> how much was TX worth?
2016-11-09T04:38:17 < jadew> hmm, only 38?
2016-11-09T04:38:23 < jadew> why is CA worth more?
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2016-11-09T04:39:13 < dongs> This video has been removed for violating YouTube's policy on nudity or sexual content.
2016-11-09T04:39:16 < dongs> aghahah
2016-11-09T04:39:29 < jadew> which video?
2016-11-09T04:39:32 < dongs> LRH
2016-11-09T04:39:46 < jadew> what's that?
2016-11-09T04:47:01 < jadew> I didn't even know there were other candidates
2016-11-09T04:47:29 < jadew> looks like there are more
2016-11-09T04:47:35 < jadew> there's another old chick
2016-11-09T04:47:41 < jadew> from the "Green party"
2016-11-09T04:47:46 < jadew> sounds hippie
2016-11-09T04:51:40 < dongs> no they determined that shit was bullshit like last week
2016-11-09T04:51:42 < dongs> nothing interesting there
2016-11-09T04:51:50 < jadew> which thing?
2016-11-09T04:52:10 < dongs> dunno some bullshit about hillary being a lunix hax04 and running a mail server
2016-11-09T04:52:15 < dongs> then sending government emails through it 
2016-11-09T04:52:20 < dongs> somehow its a crime or somethin
2016-11-09T04:52:25 < dongs> stupid fucking american politics
2016-11-09T04:52:41 < jadew> I think it's a crime because it got hacked
2016-11-09T04:52:54 < jadew> and someone gained access to everything there
2016-11-09T04:53:18 < dongs> but does it matter
2016-11-09T04:53:29 < jadew> it might have gotten a lot of people killed
2016-11-09T04:53:30 < dongs> i dont think so
2016-11-09T04:53:34 < dongs> how so
2016-11-09T04:53:44 < jadew> she was talking secrets there
2016-11-09T04:53:46 < dongs> the emails are just "lol, dongs" kinda shit with nothing useful in them
2016-11-09T04:53:50 < dongs> nope
2016-11-09T04:54:00 < jadew> those are the emails we got
2016-11-09T04:54:10 < jadew> the ones that were deleted might be different in nature
2016-11-09T04:55:55 < dongs> talking with leelooman?
2016-11-09T04:57:30 < jadew> why would that be useful?
2016-11-09T04:57:55 < jadew> the world doesn't need that war
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2016-11-09T05:05:39 < dongs> R2COM plz tell you voted for trump
2016-11-09T05:06:03 < dongs> great
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2016-11-09T05:08:47 <@englishman> those all PhDs, right
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2016-11-09T05:17:24 < jadew> \o/
2016-11-09T05:17:30 < jadew> my connection is back
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2016-11-09T05:17:42 < decimad> trexit!
2016-11-09T05:17:49 < aandrew> dunno
2016-11-09T05:18:06 < aandrew> CNN is showing trump winning all the key states except for PA and VA, and VA only by a very slim margin
2016-11-09T05:18:16 < aandrew> FL for instance he's 2.5% ahead with 95% in
2016-11-09T05:18:46 < dongs> pump4trump continues
2016-11-09T05:18:55 < decimad> yeah, everybody expected trexit to fail, thus it's a classical trexit ;)
2016-11-09T05:20:59 < jadew> alright, now that I know that there were other candidates, I no longer think the situation is stupid
2016-11-09T05:21:08 < jadew> I think the voters are
2016-11-09T05:21:29 < jadew> did you guys check the list of alternatives?
2016-11-09T05:21:57 < jadew> "Laurence Kotlikoff" - "
2016-11-09T05:22:00 < jadew> "The Harvard-educated economist at Boston University has made the economy the focus of his campaign."
2016-11-09T05:23:30 < aandrew> this is exactly like brexit
2016-11-09T05:23:35 < aandrew> it's the rise of populism
2016-11-09T05:28:04 < jadew> why have so few people voted for the other guys?
2016-11-09T05:28:31 < jadew> I mean, seriously that economists seems like a decent choice from a lot angles
2016-11-09T05:30:50 < jadew> probably very smart, understands economical issues, no or little political backpack, so higher chances that he has the people's interests at heart
2016-11-09T05:32:33 < jadew> tbh, until now I thought that's how the system is, you only get to vote one or the other
2016-11-09T05:33:17 < jadew> but given that it's not, why are people voting almost strictly one or the other?
2016-11-09T05:33:21 < jadew> it makes no sense
2016-11-09T05:33:54 < jadew> they wouldn't matter if people didn't vote for them
2016-11-09T05:34:02 < jadew> what matters here is getting a good president
2016-11-09T05:40:13 < jadew> looks like trump is way ahead
2016-11-09T05:40:20 < jadew> 168 vs 109
2016-11-09T05:41:50 < jadew> haha
2016-11-09T05:43:23 < jadew> only the illegals might have a problem with that, but as Milton Friedman made the point, they're the good kind of immigrants
2016-11-09T05:44:20 < jadew> they don't get welfare, benefits, etc. They just do the work
2016-11-09T05:45:07 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I don't think anything will change
2016-11-09T05:46:40 < jadew> we'll talk again in 4 years
2016-11-09T05:46:49 < jadew> or however long they stay in office
2016-11-09T05:47:10 < dongs> what is trump stance on gender-benders
2016-11-09T05:47:17 < jadew> god hates them
2016-11-09T05:47:20 < dongs> i can see why leelooman might be worried
2016-11-09T05:47:25 < jadew> haha
2016-11-09T05:47:48 < jadew> I don't think he has anything with gays
2016-11-09T05:49:49 < jadew> they do
2016-11-09T05:50:12 < jadew> but I'm sure there are those that keep it to themselves
2016-11-09T05:50:33 < jadew> haha
2016-11-09T05:51:01 < jadew> what's the name of that hipster from NY, with the drones and the shitty vblog?
2016-11-09T05:51:06 < jadew> caesy neisat
2016-11-09T05:51:12 < jadew> or something like that
2016-11-09T05:51:46 < jadew> casey neistat
2016-11-09T05:52:05 < jadew> good, now I can delete all his videos from my youtube history
2016-11-09T05:52:51 < jadew> oh... I can search history
2016-11-09T05:53:01 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, you respond so much to him. its pathetic.
2016-11-09T05:53:11 < dongs> who what
2016-11-09T05:53:19 < upgrdman> he can have you on ignore, and you still squirm in his hands
2016-11-09T05:53:21 < upgrdman> dongs, you
2016-11-09T05:53:23 < dongs> haha
2016-11-09T05:53:31 < dongs> 12:53    2 ohsix: ALL
2016-11-09T05:53:32 < dongs> 12:53    3 *ohsix*!*@*: ALL
2016-11-09T05:53:32 < dongs> 12:53    4 LeelooMinai: ALL
2016-11-09T05:53:33 < dongs> here's proof
2016-11-09T05:53:34 < dongs> ok
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2016-11-09T05:53:35 < upgrdman> <LeelooMinai> I guess dongs is just a bad troll. If he wants to upset me, he should change the tactic:p
2016-11-09T05:54:44 < aandrew> this is crazy
2016-11-09T05:55:00 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: he's doubly-ignoring ohsix though
2016-11-09T05:55:04 < dongs> https://67.media.tumblr.com/9657e2ae3492c943423dbf2261e2eb41/tumblr_n9esvuNJoA1tyuv5ko1_500.gif
2016-11-09T05:56:16 < aandrew> dongs: LOL
2016-11-09T05:56:20 < jadew> hipster purged from history
2016-11-09T05:56:37 < jadew> lol dongs
2016-11-09T05:56:51 < dongs> my favorite tumblr url
2016-11-09T06:01:06 < dongs> http://vid.pr0gramm.com/2016/11/07/d629254308849a63.mp4
2016-11-09T06:01:13 < dongs> my new favoriote url
2016-11-09T06:03:44 < jadew> haha
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2016-11-09T06:06:13 < jadew> Clinton got CA
2016-11-09T06:07:02 < jadew> LeelooMinai, what link are you on?
2016-11-09T06:08:23 < jadew> LeelooMinai, it shows the wrong results
2016-11-09T06:08:45 < jadew> if you google "election results 2016"
2016-11-09T06:08:50 < jadew> it will give you a live update
2016-11-09T06:09:13 < jadew> and the real numbers, but it doesn't have breakdowns by state
2016-11-09T06:11:05 < jadew> what do you mean?
2016-11-09T06:11:35 < jadew> well, I've been following that :P
2016-11-09T06:12:26 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-09T06:13:11 < upgrdman> jadew, in case you were aware, ca ~always votes democrat
2016-11-09T06:13:16 < upgrdman> werent aware*
2016-11-09T06:13:43 < jadew> upgrdman, didn't know that
2016-11-09T06:13:58 < upgrdman> ya
2016-11-09T06:14:10 < jadew> but why?
2016-11-09T06:14:14 < upgrdman> it's called the "left coast" ... ca/or/wa are ~always democ
2016-11-09T06:14:36 < upgrdman> not sure why. but it is.
2016-11-09T06:15:23 < upgrdman> R2COM, easy to fix that
2016-11-09T06:15:31 < jadew> R2COM, cuz you didn't configure that up?
2016-11-09T06:15:41 < upgrdman> R2COM, mark your ethernet/wifi as "metered" and windows wont auto download shit
2016-11-09T06:16:12 < upgrdman> i forgot. google "win10 metered wifi"
2016-11-09T06:16:16 < jadew> I'm pretty sure I cahnge a config setting so mine wouldn't do that
2016-11-09T06:16:19 < upgrdman> prolly in Settings or someshit
2016-11-09T06:18:22 < jadew> R2COM, google for this: "prevent windows 10 from restarting automatically"
2016-11-09T06:19:29 < dongs> R2COM: gpedit.msc
2016-11-09T06:19:50 < jadew> http://tunecomp.net/disable-automatic-reboot-after-updates-installation-in-windows-10/
2016-11-09T06:20:26 < dongs> I just set updated to 'ask me before downloading'
2016-11-09T06:20:33 < dongs> then i will approve them like once every few months.
2016-11-09T06:20:34 < dongs> done.
2016-11-09T06:22:36 < upgrdman> dongs, does group policy require special win version? or pro good enough?
2016-11-09T06:23:16 < jadew> why are the numbers reported by cnn and nytimes different from google?
2016-11-09T06:23:37 < jadew> upgrdman, pro should be good
2016-11-09T06:24:57 < upgrdman> wtf   http://i.imgur.com/aEd1dOU.gifv
2016-11-09T06:25:35 < aandrew> dude
2016-11-09T06:25:36 < jadew> haha
2016-11-09T06:25:39 < aandrew> where the FUCK do you find that shit
2016-11-09T06:25:44 < jadew> that's disturbing
2016-11-09T06:25:48 < jadew> haha
2016-11-09T06:25:57 < jadew> I can't believe how bad it creeps me out
2016-11-09T06:26:09 < aandrew> big fucking hairy man nipple on my screen
2016-11-09T06:26:11 < aandrew> gladd I work from home
2016-11-09T06:27:00 < jadew> I'm gonna forward that to my friend who has a small kid and his wife doesn't have milk anymore
2016-11-09T06:27:15 < jadew> "I found a solution"
2016-11-09T06:27:27 < dongs> upgrdman: pro
2016-11-09T06:27:51 < upgrdman> aandrew, r/wtf :)
2016-11-09T06:27:52 < dongs> < upgrdman> wtf   http://i.imgur.com/aEd1dOU.gifv
2016-11-09T06:27:59 < dongs> this looks like leelooman
2016-11-09T06:28:04 < upgrdman> could be, huh
2016-11-09T06:28:21 < jadew> lol, should have seen that coming
2016-11-09T06:29:34 < upgrdman> https://i.redd.it/gh6h69ot1hwx.jpg
2016-11-09T06:31:05 < upgrdman> watching erection coverage on NBC. funny seeing them slowly get more sad as Trump looks to be a real possibility
2016-11-09T06:33:14 < upgrdman> <LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/mzUnSia.gifv     leeloo desperate for attention huh
2016-11-09T06:34:25 < jadew> is there a gif generator for that particular thing or did you have to edit it?
2016-11-09T06:35:40 < jadew> ah, good point
2016-11-09T06:35:48 < jadew> now I see it
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2016-11-09T07:07:42 < dongs> < upgrdman> <LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/mzUnSia.gifv  haha what a fucking waste of time, wow
2016-11-09T07:07:51 < dongs> especially if that involved editing every frame
2016-11-09T07:07:53 < upgrdman> :)
2016-11-09T07:08:05 < upgrdman> well she is autistic, so...
2016-11-09T07:08:14 < dongs> s/he more like 
2016-11-09T07:13:53 < upgrdman> looks like Trump will win.
2016-11-09T07:14:46 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, lol. ya, cause nothing canada would do could help their shit currency ;)
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2016-11-09T07:29:36 < ohsix> you'll have to concern troll him to death
2016-11-09T07:30:02 < ohsix> ethernet fails weird, phys that can't tell you how -> in the bin
2016-11-09T07:34:07 < upgrdman> damn, trump is scaring the japs   https://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXNIKKEI%3ANI225
2016-11-09T07:34:45 < dongs> wat
2016-11-09T07:34:49 < dongs> why would that even matter lol
2016-11-09T07:35:25 < aandrew> dongs: well they did bomb them tiwce
2016-11-09T07:35:31 < dongs> .. and?
2016-11-09T07:36:07 <@englishman> yeah nikkei was closed
2016-11-09T07:36:15 <@englishman> lol that was like 100 years ago
2016-11-09T07:37:26 <@englishman> ppl actually think trump will bring jobs back to usa
2016-11-09T07:38:57 < upgrdman> lol. watching NBC reporting on the election. talking about a county in NH that might win the stare for clinton or trump, new anchor said "Dicksville Notch might actually swing" .... LOL
2016-11-09T07:39:08 < upgrdman> s/stare/state
2016-11-09T07:44:52 < upgrdman> struct True { bool value= false; };
2016-11-09T07:50:59 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/GKKs8FL.jpg why is there that weird short glitch wehre the ack is supposed tobe
2016-11-09T07:52:08 < dongs> https://rheingoldheavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/I2C_Scope_Trace_02_WRITE.png
2016-11-09T07:52:11 < dongs> its on this thing too
2016-11-09T07:54:12 < upgrdman> dongs, takes time for slave to react to cock edge?
2016-11-09T07:54:26 < dongs> and to pull it donw?
2016-11-09T07:54:41 < dongs> but sampling happens on transition of scl high to low right
2016-11-09T07:54:44 < dongs> so the glitch shouldnt matter
2016-11-09T07:54:55 < upgrdman> right
2016-11-09T07:54:58 < upgrdman> iirc
2016-11-09T07:55:25 < upgrdman> and ya, i've seen worse ACK glitches on good hardware
2016-11-09T07:55:30 < dongs> OK
2016-11-09T07:55:34 < upgrdman> like nearing rises to 2/3 VDD
2016-11-09T07:55:40 < upgrdman> before shorting to gnd
2016-11-09T07:55:54 < dongs> and the shit not nearing to GND is pullups too high?
2016-11-09T07:55:58 < dongs> slave cant pull the shit own enough
2016-11-09T07:55:59 < dongs> down
2016-11-09T07:56:20 < upgrdman> think so
2016-11-09T07:57:01 < upgrdman> when i encountered an i2c silicon bug in lpc1768 i got that shit where it couldnt pull down all the way
2016-11-09T07:57:25 < upgrdman> in my case, the lpc shit was driving high during ACK :)
2016-11-09T07:57:55 < dongs> trump@mailinator.com
2016-11-09T07:58:14 < upgrdman> flyback, nxp? it was a known bug. i was just incompetent and didnt read the errata like a good little boy
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2016-11-09T08:14:09 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: haha
2016-11-09T08:23:13 < emeb_mac> dunno why they're surprised - brexit should have primed them for this
2016-11-09T08:24:00 < dongs> sup emeb_mac how does it feel to be under trump rule
2016-11-09T08:24:23 < emeb_mac> dongs: we're going to win so much that we'll get tired of winning
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2016-11-09T08:27:11 < dongs>  < emeb_mac> dongs: we're going to whine so much that we'll get tired of whining
2016-11-09T08:27:15 < dongs> i think thats what he meant
2016-11-09T08:27:57 < jpa-> nah, the united states of russia will conquer the world soon enough
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2016-11-09T08:39:50 < ohsix> hm
2016-11-09T08:39:59 < ohsix> if only all the libertarians did go on sea steading shit
2016-11-09T08:40:05 < ohsix> maybe i shouldn't make fun of that
2016-11-09T08:40:23 < ohsix> gary johnson is a huge spoiler
2016-11-09T08:40:34 < ohsix> those voters dgaf tho
2016-11-09T08:42:53 < ohsix> #makethedailyshowgoodagain
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2016-11-09T08:44:00 < ohsix> i wonder if the machine will keep him busy enough to even affect that
2016-11-09T08:45:07 < ohsix> the gay conversion dudes won
2016-11-09T08:45:10 < ohsix> house is locked up
2016-11-09T08:45:24 < ohsix> ruth bader ginsberg might not survive
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2016-11-09T08:53:08 < dongs> yes
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2016-11-09T09:00:29 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2016-11-09T09:00:32 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2016-11-09T09:00:40 < Laurenceb_> I have no words
2016-11-09T09:01:01 < ohsix> ru sure it isn't 'lolz'
2016-11-09T09:01:04 < stvn> he won?
2016-11-09T09:01:13 < Laurenceb_> there is a limit to the jokez
2016-11-09T09:01:18 < Laurenceb_> Trumpeninged
2016-11-09T09:01:51 < Laurenceb_> it was just a prank bro
2016-11-09T09:01:57 < aandrew> It's the Trumpening
2016-11-09T09:03:12 < ohsix> heh
2016-11-09T09:03:29 < ohsix> trying not to rationalize the result, but eh
2016-11-09T09:03:42 < ohsix> aside from supreme court, house didn't change
2016-11-09T09:03:53 < ohsix> clinton wouldn't have been able to do anything
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2016-11-09T09:04:30 < ohsix> but, it impacts none of the shit i got into this year and i'll be doing more of that \m/
2016-11-09T09:04:45 < ohsix> worried about contraception shit
2016-11-09T09:05:30 < ohsix> i hope people get excited and gloat and take it easy so they can avoid swing back
2016-11-09T09:06:05 < ohsix> there's nothing to say for at least a few more hours
2016-11-09T09:06:17 < ohsix> podesta went to tell people at rally to not wait around
2016-11-09T09:06:23 < ohsix> .
2016-11-09T09:06:59 < ohsix> the only way she will not speak is if she dies in the next few hours
2016-11-09T09:07:56 < stvn> ok i'll ask again in 3 weeks
2016-11-09T09:08:00 < ohsix> they're pad to do that
2016-11-09T09:08:03 < ohsix> paid
2016-11-09T09:08:31 < ohsix> they are on cnn, they are paid to be there
2016-11-09T09:08:47 < ohsix> are you the last one to the party on the cnn situation?
2016-11-09T09:09:30 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2016-11-09T09:09:31 < ohsix> people were still in line in michigan
2016-11-09T09:09:32 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5byneu/imminent_victory_thread/?st=ival48fl&sh=ab672082
2016-11-09T09:09:41 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: i don't assume
2016-11-09T09:09:43 < Laurenceb_> these guys are crazy
2016-11-09T09:10:07 < ohsix> no, people provide plent of signals
2016-11-09T09:10:16 < ohsix> i'm glad you're here to tell me what i do, though
2016-11-09T09:10:28 < stvn> i just wanna watch america burn for no good reason
2016-11-09T09:10:31 < ohsix> this is me being condescending
2016-11-09T09:11:11 < ohsix> that is not an assumption
2016-11-09T09:11:28 < ohsix> i do think i'm better than you
2016-11-09T09:11:37 < ohsix> nope
2016-11-09T09:11:42 < ohsix> i was being nice to you
2016-11-09T09:11:53 < ohsix> i have no patience at the moment
2016-11-09T09:12:45 < ohsix> i've sunk an irredeemable amount of time being annoyed and trying to help you argue better, or just speak more clearly
2016-11-09T09:13:25 < ohsix> i figured if i could show you how to do stuff it would pay off in less personal annoyance
2016-11-09T09:13:29 < ohsix> k
2016-11-09T09:13:37 < ohsix> real talk there, but you do you
2016-11-09T09:13:57 < ohsix> i'm talking about me and you, and my relationship to you
2016-11-09T09:14:39 < ohsix> good one
2016-11-09T09:15:18 < ohsix> i don't need to assume anything when i can say something to you and you behave consistently in response
2016-11-09T09:15:27 < ohsix> no, i know my own shit stinks
2016-11-09T09:15:44 < ohsix> i'm not blaming you, i'm stopping handling you like a child and telling you what's up
2016-11-09T09:16:07 < ohsix> you should be offended that i was treating you that way but you don't even admit or realise it was happening
2016-11-09T09:16:12 < ohsix> k
2016-11-09T09:16:13 < jpa-> this channel is so weird nowadays.. ohsix acting reasonable
2016-11-09T09:16:40 < ohsix> yea sorry about the email haha
2016-11-09T09:16:49 < ohsix> i was looking for your blag for the swi article
2016-11-09T09:17:19 < ohsix> took a little work cuz i couldn't ask, then figured why not when i found it & saw address
2016-11-09T09:17:37 < stvn> jpa-, you serious?
2016-11-09T09:17:40 < jpa-> yep no worries, nice to see that people actually change :)
2016-11-09T09:18:02 < ohsix> every few years i realize i'm up my own ass and full of shit :D
2016-11-09T09:19:59 < stvn> i thought you had him on the blocklist again
2016-11-09T09:20:21 < ohsix> so uh are things out of china going to be cheaper or more expensive? i have an ebay habit now
2016-11-09T09:20:42 < jpa-> depends where you live
2016-11-09T09:21:08 < jpa-> if you live in america, more expensive; elsewhere probably not much change or perhaps a bit cheaper because demand may drop
2016-11-09T09:21:11 < ohsix> usd :p
2016-11-09T09:21:14 < ohsix> oof
2016-11-09T09:21:17 < Laurenceb_> Trump takes Wisconsin, he is over the line
2016-11-09T09:21:47 < jpa-> but the scare effect is just temporary, a few months; after that it depends totally on what trump does
2016-11-09T09:21:55 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-09T09:22:16 < ohsix> he is hypothetically horrible, but it is a big government
2016-11-09T09:23:11 < ohsix> world stage stuff is weird, people have all sorts of cute terms for what will happen but shit is mostly a wash
2016-11-09T09:23:29 < ohsix> we've been carrying on the longest war ever and people don't seem to care
2016-11-09T09:23:58 < ohsix> weirdly the likes of apple and private industry might keep intelligence overreach in check huhu
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2016-11-09T09:26:16 < stvn> some men just wanna watch the world burn
2016-11-09T09:27:46 < ohsix> need to find out how to get models from unity games so i can 3d print them
2016-11-09T09:28:02 < stvn> why u need that o6
2016-11-09T09:28:23 < ohsix> need, ha ha, nobody needs a 3d printer
2016-11-09T09:28:34 < stvn> mmmmyea
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2016-11-09T09:28:48 < ohsix> still learning the plastics and the slicer, i can at least print stuff i want as a model
2016-11-09T09:30:41 < ohsix> oh and they are rippable, tons of games use unity, android games are ~low poly; the game i'm starting with is adventure time, time tangle cuz i want some jake models
2016-11-09T09:30:52 < ohsix> he's got unprintable features
2016-11-09T09:32:34 < dongs> Donald Trump won the presidency
2016-11-09T09:34:21 < ohsix> this is going to validate a lot of peoples feelings about white people
2016-11-09T09:35:09 < stvn> its definitely true that white people are white
2016-11-09T09:35:45 < ohsix> mexico central bank doing news conf after peso drop
2016-11-09T09:36:31 < dongs> Just like its definitely true that most females on irc aren't
2016-11-09T09:37:49 < ohsix> but hey, WEEEEED
2016-11-09T09:38:05 < ohsix> moving out of age demographics is weird
2016-11-09T09:38:07 < dongs> https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/796230865164570624 relevant tweet
2016-11-09T09:38:12 < ohsix> world does not give a f
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2016-11-09T09:39:42 < ohsix> hm maddox is still streaming live
2016-11-09T09:40:05 < ohsix> 9 hours
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2016-11-09T09:41:53 < Laurenceb_> witness the Trumpening
2016-11-09T09:43:43 < sync> Wat
2016-11-09T09:44:11  * Laurenceb_ visits hillary subreddit to check out the salt
2016-11-09T09:44:50 < Laurenceb_> lul its dead
2016-11-09T09:45:01 < ohsix> maddox conceded
2016-11-09T09:45:17 < ohsix> regressive party is out
2016-11-09T09:45:43 < ohsix> internet weather getting a little iffy
2016-11-09T09:47:54 < Laurenceb_> what 8chan thinks
2016-11-09T09:47:56 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/5357cc84872f95f51d4117f65e4f6a4e72f08c34a1e775da255b4aec5450f572.jpg
2016-11-09T09:49:36 < ohsix> well
2016-11-09T09:49:51 < ohsix> er nm
2016-11-09T09:50:41 < ohsix> 'i can't support that' is not a political strategy
2016-11-09T09:51:09 < ohsix> hm
2016-11-09T09:51:25 < ohsix> i wonder if south park had a plan for when mr garrison won
2016-11-09T09:53:33 < ohsix> i've already got a great start on 2017, having stopped watching tv last year
2016-11-09T09:54:26 < Rickta59> all those $2 items from china will now be $20
2016-11-09T09:54:45 < Rickta59> oh and then the tariff of $50
2016-11-09T09:55:04 < ohsix> lots of chinese shops switched to CAD a few months ago
2016-11-09T09:55:06 < Rickta59> and the dollar will spin down and be 3gbp to 1usd
2016-11-09T09:55:44 < ohsix> i hope they do somethig with interest rates
2016-11-09T09:55:50 < Rickta59> i imagine the chinese are getting ready to have ships off the coast that are really factories and then launch drones to deliver
2016-11-09T09:56:05 < ohsix> going down to 1% or whatever to get out of the recession/bank boom was a mistake
2016-11-09T09:56:40 < Kliment> Rickta59: Naaah, the GBP is in the same freefall
2016-11-09T09:56:50 < jpa-> though raising interest rates is going to trigger a new recession quite easily now
2016-11-09T09:56:54 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-09T09:56:58 < Rickta59> yeah but it is likely they won't actually exit
2016-11-09T09:57:14 < ohsix> but currency devalued will trigger other badness
2016-11-09T09:57:22 < ohsix> and you can't take it to 0%
2016-11-09T09:57:27 < Rickta59> it is like some nightmare
2016-11-09T09:57:38 < ohsix> we're still a trusted place to put money and shit
2016-11-09T09:57:45 < Rickta59> hah
2016-11-09T09:57:52 < Rickta59> man want planet are you living on
2016-11-09T09:57:58 < ohsix> i mean people buy t bills and us dollars
2016-11-09T09:58:03 < Rickta59> maybe before
2016-11-09T09:58:04 < ohsix> it is a reserve currency
2016-11-09T09:58:05 < Rickta59> not now
2016-11-09T09:58:11 < Rickta59> you are so dumb
2016-11-09T09:58:14 < jpa-> it's true, as american companies have enough influence that the government doesn't really matter that much
2016-11-09T09:58:15 < ohsix> .
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2016-11-09T09:58:48 < ohsix> i like china, it supports my lifestyle and all my things
2016-11-09T09:59:01 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/1f510c44e8504d0af73e06532b134e96d832df509002694ad7be97f72825f728.png
2016-11-09T10:00:25 < ohsix> he's going to be able to talk himself up a lot and all the credulous voters will be apologists
2016-11-09T10:00:51 < ohsix> politicians always talk up stuff they aren't really responsable for, but it seems worse
2016-11-09T10:01:18 < Rickta59> i guess gold plated pcb will cost 3x now
2016-11-09T10:01:28 < Rickta59> everyone is jumping on gold
2016-11-09T10:02:22 < ohsix> now? :p
2016-11-09T10:02:38 < Rickta59> it went up $52 an ounce in the last couple of hours
2016-11-09T10:02:43 < ohsix> it was mostly gold coin ads on fox news for the last 8 years
2016-11-09T10:02:46 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-09T10:02:54 < dongs> good thing i have a bunch of gold
2016-11-09T10:02:57 < jpa-> how many percent is that? 5%?
2016-11-09T10:03:11 < Rickta59> about that
2016-11-09T10:03:31 < dongs> dicksta59, where are you seeing thi
2016-11-09T10:03:32 < dongs> s
2016-11-09T10:03:40 < dongs> XAU is acutally falling
2016-11-09T10:03:42 < Rickta59> http://www.businessinsider.com/gold-price-presidential-election-night-2016-trump-clinton-2016-11
2016-11-09T10:03:43 < dongs> currently
2016-11-09T10:03:45 < ohsix> i'm so dum
2016-11-09T10:03:50 < jpa-> Rickta59: doubt it will go up to 300% then
2016-11-09T10:04:09 < Rickta59> i'm being hyperbolic
2016-11-09T10:04:27 < dongs> http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html oh ok
2016-11-09T10:04:29 < dongs> maybe it did
2016-11-09T10:04:32 < dongs> fucking google showing wrong data
2016-11-09T10:04:44 < dongs> but anyway its going right back down
2016-11-09T10:04:47 < dongs> in november :)
2016-11-09T10:04:49 < ohsix> you want precious metal spot price
2016-11-09T10:04:51 < dongs> er in november 9thj
2016-11-09T10:05:19 < ohsix> changes in asking price don't necessarily mean much medium term
2016-11-09T10:07:29 < ohsix> someone on twatter mentioned the interest rate/monetary policy moving all the drama of trade/markets to the election
2016-11-09T10:07:39 < ohsix> something to chew on at least
2016-11-09T10:13:48 < PaulFertser> Does anyone know a channel where I can ask bicycle questions? I have issues servicing my RST F1RST fork, need some advice...
2016-11-09T10:14:10 < ohsix> i can answer them but i don't know
2016-11-09T10:14:36 < jpa-> there is a bicycles stackexchange atleast
2016-11-09T10:15:15 < Rickta59> /quit
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2016-11-09T10:15:37 < ohsix> oh, air shocks? dunno, might be worth taking shop hit to pick their brain about it
2016-11-09T10:15:46 < ohsix> barnett manual etc
2016-11-09T10:15:46 < stvn> WHAT ABOUT MUH GODDAMN BIT COINS
2016-11-09T10:15:57 < ohsix> fiat crypto
2016-11-09T10:16:20 < ohsix> PaulFertser: anything will probably involve new seals
2016-11-09T10:16:30 < ohsix> so consider carefully, huhuhu
2016-11-09T10:16:36 < jpa-> stvn: convert them all to trumpcoins
2016-11-09T10:17:17 < PaulFertser> I can't figure out how much oil there should go in the right leg. I tried putting in as much as I could, then the travel was reduced to about 50mm (and it's normally 100mm). Then I unscrewed the compression damper/lockout assembly (it looks pretty much like Manitou's) and opened the air valve on the left leg to be able to fully push the fork down. Extra oil went out, and I screwed the damper
2016-11-09T10:17:21 < stvn> ;] way ahead of ya
2016-11-09T10:17:23 < PaulFertser> assembly back. Now the travel distance is full but lockout starts to work only in the midrange.
2016-11-09T10:18:24 < ohsix> yea dunno, there are marks and flow plates and shit that can get crud in them or bind
2016-11-09T10:19:21 < PaulFertser> I can't even find a proper service manual for this RST fork. It's right leg is pretty similar to manitou's though.
2016-11-09T10:19:42 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: duh, I tried hard to find a manual, really hard.
2016-11-09T10:20:19 < ohsix> eh you shouldn't need a service manual, everything is similar enough, even car struts are similar enough
2016-11-09T10:20:25 < ohsix> and rc car struts
2016-11-09T10:20:28 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: yes, it's a remote lockout version but it doesn't matter apparently if it's remote or not.
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2016-11-09T10:20:55 < PaulFertser> ohsix: so the question is basically how to deduce proper amount of oil for a specific fork.
2016-11-09T10:21:21 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: 2014 I guess.
2016-11-09T10:21:28 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: if there was one
2016-11-09T10:22:22 < ohsix> PaulFertser: yea, get the barnette manual, it is the repair tome and available on the nut
2016-11-09T10:22:24 < sync> PaulFertser: throw it away and put a real fork in
2016-11-09T10:22:50 < ohsix> shit laptop is being shit, will get url & page # asap
2016-11-09T10:22:53 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: RST F1RST Air TRL '26 (100mm) 28.6mm
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2016-11-09T10:23:37 < PaulFertser> sync: putting a real fork on a shitty mtb used for commuting? That feels somehow wrong. Even this shitty fork costed more than the bike itself.
2016-11-09T10:24:32 < sync> PaulFertser: yeah why not
2016-11-09T10:24:47 < sync> I used to rock a rs sid on my commuter
2016-11-09T10:25:20 < PaulFertser> sync: feels like a waste. Spending so much money on non-competitive bicycling with high risk of theft...
2016-11-09T10:25:34 < stvn> CACK A DAY
2016-11-09T10:25:45 < stvn>  http://hackaday.com/2016/11/08/when-a-crt-isnt-retro-enough-leds/
2016-11-09T10:25:59 < ohsix> why do  you have a suspension on commute bike?
2016-11-09T10:26:10 < ohsix> just came with a junker?
2016-11-09T10:26:12 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: yes, few times, it's not a service manual, unfortunately.
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2016-11-09T10:26:48 < PaulFertser> ohsix: mtbs are really cheap in moscow.
2016-11-09T10:26:58 < ohsix> http://www.esense.be/bike/Barnettmanual.pdf
2016-11-09T10:27:00 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-09T10:27:18 < ohsix> ya mine was dirt cheap but it was new 30 years ago
2016-11-09T10:27:24 < ohsix> steel and no suspension
2016-11-09T10:27:28 < sync> Now a float 36
2016-11-09T10:27:41 < ohsix> PaulFertser: section 38 of that pdf
2016-11-09T10:28:10 < sync> PaulFertser: sounds like typical air shock rage tho
2016-11-09T10:28:13 < ohsix> i can try to interpret if something isn't clear :D
2016-11-09T10:28:37 < sync> I had the same issues when servicing some
2016-11-09T10:28:39 < PaulFertser> ohsix: I istalled a regular steel fork on my previous commuter bicycle, and it was fine. But after I bought another one I decided why not get a suspension suitable for my weight (~55kg) so that I can enjoy some offroad rides too.
2016-11-09T10:29:02 < ohsix> werd
2016-11-09T10:29:20 < ohsix> i have fat retarded tires that i keep high pressure for road eff :D
2016-11-09T10:29:37 < ohsix> offroad trashes bottom bracket tho, at least around here
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2016-11-09T10:29:58 < ohsix> super fine dust, desert climate
2016-11-09T10:30:24 < ohsix> what was happening to it before disassembly? just bottoming out?
2016-11-09T10:30:52 < ohsix> and do you have high pressure pump, putting air back in can be twice road tire psi
2016-11-09T10:30:57 < stvn> you want fluck-off?
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2016-11-09T10:32:07 < PaulFertser> ohsix: I can put enough pressure (~6 atm) with a regular pump I think. If I do not manage, I'll get my road bicycle pump, it can go way higher.
2016-11-09T10:32:44 < PaulFertser> ohsix: before disassembly it had not enough oil so lockout wouldn't work (like it doesn't now). Then it had more than enough oil. Now it hasn't got enough oil again :)
2016-11-09T10:32:50 < ohsix> when i mentioned shock to shop dude i ~trust i got the only real warning he's ever given to me about fixing bike stuff :D
2016-11-09T10:33:21 < ohsix> word
2016-11-09T10:34:49 < PaulFertser> ohsix: that's a great manual indeed. But it doesn't discuss servicing any insides of suspension mechanisms it seems.
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2016-11-09T10:36:57 < ohsix> gotta ignor election data, if i know stuff i'll tell people, and a lot of people are upset D:
2016-11-09T10:37:22 < ohsix> PaulFertser: k sec, it does take some time to learn to read it
2016-11-09T10:37:35 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: wow!
2016-11-09T10:37:50 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: thanks a lot. I didn't consider watching videos when looking for that info.
2016-11-09T10:40:03 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: I'm so used to pdf manuals that have completely overlooked videos. Thanks a lot indeed.
2016-11-09T10:40:51 < ohsix> PaulFertser: on 623, step 34, that is what fill instructions will look like in this manual
2016-11-09T10:41:23 < ohsix> ones that look similar and have same constituent parts aren't going to be super different or have special oil levels
2016-11-09T10:42:56 < ohsix> and ya after reading barnett and what can be serviced, there should be an obvious place to see part number for rebuild kits and stuff
2016-11-09T10:43:19 < ohsix> sometimes an oil charge ;] and that will have a listed volume
2016-11-09T10:44:27 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/a3868a8b5247c3771f15ed2f1348066fa8d39246abb33bc2537870858560b494.jpg
2016-11-09T10:45:40 < ohsix> he'll save a lot of money not paying himself to fly around :D
2016-11-09T10:45:45 < ohsix> bbl
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2016-11-09T10:48:14 < Laurenceb_> it begins
2016-11-09T10:48:25 < Laurenceb_> PALIN 2024
2016-11-09T10:50:01 < stvn> i love
2016-11-09T10:50:05 < stvn> doing the raping
2016-11-09T10:50:15 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7TWHj-7ycQ
2016-11-09T10:53:06 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: btw, the video shows a compression damper that's not exactly like mine, it got no "foam donuts" and mine got 3.
2016-11-09T10:55:20 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: ahaha
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2016-11-09T10:56:21 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: I have something similar to this: http://www.manitoumtb.com/assets/Service%20Manuals/2012%20Service%20Manual.pdf , on the last page, number 6
2016-11-09T10:56:45 < PaulFertser> And on the previous to last, "Absolute+ damper"
2016-11-09T11:02:36 < upgrdman> lol. ~every stock market is down now
2016-11-09T11:02:58 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: yep, I'll try that. I think I now understand that the level oil with fork fully extended needs to be right (or slightly above) at the lower part of the compression damper assembly. If it's lower, lockout won't work, if it's higher, the compression damper will not have enough space to store all the oil when fully suspended, so the range will be reduced.
2016-11-09T11:03:03 < ohsix> if everything is down that means nothing happened
2016-11-09T11:03:20 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: no, rebound is in the lower part there.
2016-11-09T11:03:28 < ohsix> twitter is fun :D comedians i respect liking jokes and stuff is great
2016-11-09T11:03:34 < ohsix> +my
2016-11-09T11:08:52 < ohsix> anyone know of a library that you could use with ~any medium to pair devices & do crypto over the link, like for radio links (nrf24) and rs485 or something more diverse. basically the library would accept frames and do a pairing mode but none of the transport layer stuff
2016-11-09T11:09:11 < ohsix> i don't want to write it :<
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2016-11-09T11:13:10 < dongs> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/09/windows_insiders_are_so_pass_microsoft_how_has_skype_insiders/ haha, skype insiders
2016-11-09T11:13:18 < dongs> how much worse can they make that shit
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2016-11-09T11:22:15 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/infinitechan/status/796255997559861248
2016-11-09T11:25:31 < Steffanx> Haha. Yankeelanders.
2016-11-09T11:25:41 < Steffanx> Doomed.
2016-11-09T11:26:18 < Steffanx> How are you readerr / readerror :P
2016-11-09T11:26:57 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/978c4d2d4fc0fca5750b029bca4570ec1d5f553ca79ce53ea697c905d25a439f.png
2016-11-09T11:40:32 < Fleck> https://www.flickr.com/photos/llnl/9403051123/sizes/k/
2016-11-09T11:44:13 < aandrew> Fleck: that is *awesome*
2016-11-09T11:44:38 < aandrew> downloading the 107MB version
2016-11-09T11:44:59 < ohsix> that's what dave had printed in the last mailbag
2016-11-09T11:45:09 < ohsix> hm
2016-11-09T11:45:22 < ohsix> there's some space in the hacker space that could fit in perfectly
2016-11-09T11:45:47 < ohsix> i love that old print style, only a few color plates
2016-11-09T11:46:21 < aandrew> yep. gonna see how much this is gonna cost to get printed as a poster
2016-11-09T11:47:09 < Fleck> print one for me too! :D
2016-11-09T11:47:40 < aandrew> 10000x6958... what's a good DPI for a poster? 600?
2016-11-09T11:47:55 < aandrew> that'd be only 16 inches long then
2016-11-09T11:48:23 < aandrew> 33x23 at 300dpi
2016-11-09T11:48:43 < aandrew> ew, why
2016-11-09T11:51:05 < dongs> ohh fuck
2016-11-09T11:51:13 < dongs> freeST seminar in tokyo on 11/25
2016-11-09T11:54:20 < dongs> im there like a week earlier
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2016-11-09T12:08:35 < Lux> seems like gigadevices cloned the f4 series now
2016-11-09T12:09:52 < ohsix> what flash sizes?
2016-11-09T12:11:15 < karlp> aandrew: like 20dpi is fine for a poster, it all depends on the viewing distance.
2016-11-09T12:13:45 < ohsix> http://adamjonrichardson.com/2016/04/07/dusted-off-version-of-1944-chart-of-electromagnetic-radiations/ someone has a touched up version to remove dust and tears and shit, make colors uniform
2016-11-09T12:18:34 < ohsix> going by shipping times on those gps things, i should have got them already i think
2016-11-09T12:18:41 < aandrew> I think I like the older version
2016-11-09T12:19:05 < dongs> Lux: orly?
2016-11-09T12:19:08 < Lux> ohsix: up to 3 Mbyte
2016-11-09T12:19:11 < ohsix> yea, can't reproduce that paper and original litho
2016-11-09T12:19:28 < Lux> dongs: yeah, just talked to them on the electronica yesterday
2016-11-09T12:19:34 < dongs> cool
2016-11-09T12:20:00 < Lux> apparently the f405rgt6 clone will be like 3$ ish
2016-11-09T12:20:30 < dongs> well, thats how much 405rg costs..
2016-11-09T12:20:34 < dongs> around-ish
2016-11-09T12:20:45 < Lux> ah ok, I thought it was 5
2016-11-09T12:20:50 < dongs> nup
2016-11-09T12:21:19 < Lux> good thing is they go up to 200MHz and they have that huge ram buffer for code
2016-11-09T12:21:30 < Lux> so you should allways get 0 wait states
2016-11-09T12:22:19 < Lux> and maybe the china street price will be lower
2016-11-09T12:22:23 < ohsix> they bumped sram size too?
2016-11-09T12:22:30 < Lux> that's what the uk rep quoted for 1k
2016-11-09T12:22:39 < Lux> yeah, up to 512kb
2016-11-09T12:22:42 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-09T12:22:53 < dongs> F4+art is faster than sram, lol
2016-11-09T12:23:10 < dongs> i ran same code w/art and from sram and it was noticeably slower.
2016-11-09T12:23:20 < Lux> how come ?
2016-11-09T12:23:23 < dongs> donno
2016-11-09T12:23:27 < dongs> just sayin'
2016-11-09T12:23:32 < ohsix> need to buy 18650's with protection button, what's the least i should pay to avoid almost certainly fake cells
2016-11-09T12:24:07 < dongs> i didnt check if keil added some bullshit veneers/crap for flash to ram calls but from a quick llook it didnt, all funcs that mattered were in ram
2016-11-09T12:24:27 < dongs> and on the scale it was 100s of instructions slower
2016-11-09T12:24:37 < dongs> on the scale of ~12k cycles
2016-11-09T12:24:40 < dongs> err, 100s of CYCLES slower
2016-11-09T12:26:35 < ohsix> or, i guess realistic mAh rating, like 2000mAh or 2200
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2016-11-09T12:28:02 < Lux> that's strange
2016-11-09T12:28:51 < Lux> maybe it's due to the bus access, like your code accessing stuff in the same ram region where the code comes from
2016-11-09T12:28:58 < dongs> didnt research further, was just proof of concept
2016-11-09T12:29:00 < dongs> yes very likely
2016-11-09T12:29:05 < Lux> iirc art is another bus
2016-11-09T12:29:07 < dongs> its all tight loops with very small data (crypto)
2016-11-09T12:31:36 < karlp> ohsix: depends how fake :)
2016-11-09T12:33:32 < jpa-> dongs: i can see that happening if you have both data and code in the same SRAM
2016-11-09T12:33:49 < jpa-> CCM might help if it has that
2016-11-09T12:34:02 < dongs> it does, but the final code would need data in ram as its gonna be DMA'd tehre
2016-11-09T12:34:08 < jpa-> yep
2016-11-09T12:34:18 < jpa-> though you could put code in ccm
2016-11-09T12:34:44 < jpa-> but with the small amount of branches in your code, flash prefetch should work very well also
2016-11-09T12:35:23 < dongs> not in that F4
2016-11-09T12:35:42 < dongs> i think i talked to zyp and we ended up seeing that one only has data lines connected to ccm
2016-11-09T12:35:45 < dongs> no code there
2016-11-09T12:36:28 < Kliment> How pricy is sram these days?
2016-11-09T12:37:12 < jpa-> dongs: hm indeed
2016-11-09T12:37:30 < jpa-> Kliment: $10 per megabyte
2016-11-09T12:38:35 < Kliment> I need an approx 1MB buffer with constant latency for a project. I'd use SD but the latency varies MASSIVELY
2016-11-09T12:38:48 < dongs> why dont you bitbang sdram
2016-11-09T12:38:53 < dongs> (c) KreAture_Zzz 
2016-11-09T12:39:01 < dongs> he's about to finish doing that on F103C8
2016-11-09T12:39:39 < ohsix> karlp: yea just looking for ballpark so i don't have to order 10 different looking batteries to find out which are ok :p
2016-11-09T12:40:00 < Kliment> dongs: Because I don't like the thought of routing sdram
2016-11-09T12:40:06 < ohsix> 2000mAh is like a cheap legit cell, i'm just assuming they won't bother faking it
2016-11-09T12:40:11 < Kliment> dongs: And I don't need the speed
2016-11-09T12:40:18 < dongs> you dont need to route sdram
2016-11-09T12:40:29 < dongs> SDR doesnt give the slightest fuck about trace lenghts
2016-11-09T12:40:35 < dongs> and 100Mhz SDR is cheap as shit
2016-11-09T12:40:35 < Kliment> Oh?
2016-11-09T12:40:37 < dongs> yes.
2016-11-09T12:40:51 < Kliment> Cool, where can I find out more about this?
2016-11-09T12:40:59 < dongs> i'm sure he'll be awake soon
2016-11-09T12:41:08 < dongs> just beep him and see.
2016-11-09T12:41:15 < Kliment> Preferably with hardware that does the refreshing :)
2016-11-09T12:41:33 < dongs> well, you could just use the $$$ F4 that hs FMC wiht auto-refreshing sdram controller
2016-11-09T12:41:36 < dongs> or you can bitbang it.
2016-11-09T12:41:42 < dongs> apparently he got it to where its basically hands off
2016-11-09T12:41:46 < dongs> just fire off some timers/DMA
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2016-11-09T12:43:01 < Kliment> Neat
2016-11-09T12:43:28 < karlp> ohsix: I paid $2.89 for 2 that claimed 9900, were ~1000, 2.53 for 2 that claimed 5000, were ~500, and 4.79 for 4 that claimed 9900, were ~500
2016-11-09T12:43:43 < karlp> hang on, wron gnumbers
2016-11-09T12:44:14 < karlp> ohsix: I paid $2.89 for 2 that claimed 3800 (but were labelled 9900 when I got them), were ~1000, 2.53 for 2 that claimed 5800, were ~500, and 4.79 for 4 that claimed 9900, were ~500
2016-11-09T12:44:28 < dongs> what are those autistic numbers
2016-11-09T12:44:33 < dongs> 9900 whats
2016-11-09T12:44:36 < dongs> LUMENS?
2016-11-09T12:44:41 < karlp> mAh lies
2016-11-09T12:44:41 < Kliment> dongs: mAh
2016-11-09T12:44:56 < dongs> lol chinabatts
2016-11-09T12:44:57 < Kliment> dongs: Which you'd know if you were paying attention :P
2016-11-09T12:44:59 < karlp> yahmon
2016-11-09T12:45:11 < dongs> with brands like SUREFIRE
2016-11-09T12:45:33 < Kliment> surefire is crap, ultrafire (no joke) makes some pretty good ones
2016-11-09T12:46:00 < karlp> yeah, but given labelling, can you ever know if you're getting ultrafire or ultrafire? :)
2016-11-09T12:46:10 < BrainDamage> why does every chink battery manifacturer must include fire in the name?
2016-11-09T12:47:03 < ohsix> karlp: lul 9900, nice
2016-11-09T12:47:22 < ohsix> k so i'll buy a few different ones
2016-11-09T12:47:31 < ohsix> i'll get some use out of even the shitty ones
2016-11-09T12:47:39 < dongs> nice. got some chink API with ONE google hit
2016-11-09T12:47:42 < karlp> ohsix: my basic skim of ebay seemed to show a pretty big jump in prices though
2016-11-09T12:47:47 < dongs> to some eechina.com site
2016-11-09T12:47:48 < ohsix> can always spend money on legit ones from some outlet when i'm relying on them
2016-11-09T12:48:30 < ohsix> did you tear any down, did they have other cells inside? or were they just a crappy make or something similar
2016-11-09T12:49:20 < Kliment> BrainDamage: translation error
2016-11-09T12:49:32 < ohsix> karlp: are those one cell wall pluginc hargers dangerously cheap?
2016-11-09T12:49:36 < karlp> fuck cutting up lion batteries. I've got a life and children.
2016-11-09T12:49:52 < ohsix> huhu you can use a plumbing pipe cutter thing :D
2016-11-09T12:49:56 < karlp> I bought a slightly nicer charger that can do charge/discharge/charge tests, just used those measurements
2016-11-09T12:50:01 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Why does every red demon complain about chinese workmanship when they won't pay for anything better?
2016-11-09T12:50:20 < karlp> Kliment: I'm not complainining, I'd just like better labelling so I can make a better decision
2016-11-09T12:50:29 < BrainDamage> because complaining is free
2016-11-09T12:51:00 < Kliment> (for people who don't know "red demon/red devil" was the Chinese-language slur for European traders when they first landed in Singapore)
2016-11-09T12:51:59 < Kliment> (Still used sometimes in modern Singapore)
2016-11-09T12:52:11 < jpa-> Kliment: bad quality is one thing, outright lying is another
2016-11-09T12:52:38 < Kliment> jpa-: I agree. The problem is that the vendors who don't lie get outcompeted by those who do
2016-11-09T12:52:53 < jpa-> yep
2016-11-09T12:53:10 < karlp> well, no fucking way I'm giving positive feedback on these ebayers :)
2016-11-09T12:53:25 < Kliment> jpa-: And because the price pressure is enormous, accelerated by the perception of average quality, the non-lying vendors get driven out of the market
2016-11-09T12:54:26 < Laurenceb_> https://science.slashdot.org/story/16/10/06/1352205/tech-billionaires-are-asking-scientists-for-help-to-break-humans-out-of-computer-simulation?sdsrc=popbyskidbtmprev
2016-11-09T12:54:32 < Laurenceb_> even funnier that election
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2016-11-09T12:58:14 < ohsix> china 4 life
2016-11-09T12:58:41 < ohsix> the weird one off stuff that seems too cheap are usually pretty ok, results probably vary but i doubt i've had amazing luck
2016-11-09T13:00:15 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LessWrong#Roko.27s_basilisk
2016-11-09T13:00:19 < Laurenceb_> muh safe space
2016-11-09T13:01:59 < ohsix> karlp: hm charger that does discharge, if i get that first i can get refunds on real fakes/garbage cells
2016-11-09T13:03:28 < emeryth> all you need to do is weigh the cells, the fake ones are always a couple grams lighter
2016-11-09T13:05:48 < ohsix> hm
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2016-11-09T13:08:05 < ohsix> http://jes.ecsdl.org/content/162/8/A1592.full nice
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2016-11-09T13:15:43 < karlp> ohsix: got this one: http://www.gearbest.com/chargers/pp_228909.html based on this review http://lygte-info.dk/review/Review%20Charger%20LiitoKala%20Lii-500%20UK.html
2016-11-09T13:17:29 < ohsix> nice, saw that url in the google results
2016-11-09T13:18:22 < ohsix> k bluh, gonna have to get back to this later, sleepy time
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2016-11-09T13:42:02 < stvn> as promised bro
2016-11-09T13:50:46 < decimad> Anybody experienced with devirtualization in gcc? Will it catch that the whole codebase only has one deriving class and thus remove the virtuals?
2016-11-09T13:52:26 < decimad> if so I'm pondering if this might be the most comfortable way to extend a library-supplied functionality, in favor of macro-defining function calls (hard to track) or passing in function pointers (inefficient if static)
2016-11-09T13:53:00 < jpa-> should be easy enough to test? though it will atleast need -flto
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2016-11-09T13:56:03 < decimad> I'd second that, but I'm not so very fluent with gcc to quickly set up a project and drive it from the command line -.-
2016-11-09T13:57:04 < decimad> and then it might fail if the project becomes more complex around it
2016-11-09T13:57:20 < jpa-> that's always a risk
2016-11-09T14:00:56 < decimad> It's just that I'd like to avoid using this macro-stuff that c-libs usually use to extend/adapt to hardware. That quickly becomes hell with forward-declaration headers and all
2016-11-09T14:01:09 < jpa-> https://godbolt.org/g/wLEvky   looks like gcc 6.2 devirtualizes it nicely, but gcc 5.4 which is the newest gcc-arm-embedded version does not
2016-11-09T14:02:06 < jpa-> hmm maybe that test case is not very good actually because it inlines it also
2016-11-09T14:03:13 < decimad> I was counting on zyp having tested such stuff maybe already :D
2016-11-09T14:10:15 < stvn> putin+trump pump it up
2016-11-09T14:10:35 < stvn> the ultimate tag team
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2016-11-09T14:11:11 < BrainDamage> the memes are looking good already https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%207-d&geo=US&q=canada%20immigration
2016-11-09T14:11:43 < dongs> thats funny
2016-11-09T14:11:55 < dongs> the states looking for canda immigration didnt vote for trump
2016-11-09T14:12:01 < dongs> oh wait, yeah thats how it should be
2016-11-09T14:12:07 < dongs> cuz they dont ~like~ him
2016-11-09T14:12:28 < jpa-> except trollstates, who would be "haha, now we're out"
2016-11-09T14:22:31 < karlp> decimad: you can also just use function pointers that need to be provided and stuff, and say, "I don't care about the code size or performance ovehread of a few extra indirections, when it gives me proper completion and avoids macros"
2016-11-09T14:23:02 < karlp> BrainDamage: a friend here's had ~50% of her blog traffic since midnight to an older article about "how to move to iceland" 
2016-11-09T14:37:12 < decimad> karlp: sadly, that's nothing I can do when some C guy looks over this and says: you n00b, that's inefficient, use C luke!
2016-11-09T14:38:10 < karlp> you say, "go fuck yourself, I wrote this to be functional and safe"
2016-11-09T14:38:34 < karlp> "don't like my code, go use the other mountain of shit tha texplodes all over you somewhere else"
2016-11-09T14:39:34 < decimad> Just showing the asm is usually more discussion-ending
2016-11-09T14:40:17 < decimad> but yeah, you're attitude would probably be more healthy for me
2016-11-09T14:40:21 < decimad> *your
2016-11-09T14:40:43 < karlp> I can't stand having to #define some particular function alias to use something. just give me a nice self documenting, code completing function pointer and callback instead.
2016-11-09T14:40:54 < karlp> oh noes, I may have lost a function call overhead.
2016-11-09T14:41:31 < karlp> and then someone calls fprintf(stderr) in a loop to build up some message instead of sprintf to a buffer first and that overhead is all swallowed by syscall voerhead without even blinking
2016-11-09T14:41:52 < karlp> make them prove that it has a meaningful performance impact before they're allowed to complain.
2016-11-09T14:42:24 < decimad> Nice to see I'm not the only one hating this macro stuff though ;) It's really a pain in the ass
2016-11-09T14:43:31 < decimad> actually, if you provide just a static pointer maybe the compiler can see that it is never used before setting it to a constant and thus inline that as well
2016-11-09T14:44:27 < decimad> would be great if you could hint that, if the compiler can't prove it
2016-11-09T14:44:52 < karlp> measure first, complain about optimizations later.
2016-11-09T14:45:08 < karlp> like, dont' even care about hinting
2016-11-09T14:49:22 < decimad> Well, I find it's a burden to always have a mental model of what is or should be compile-time constant in the back of the head to argue the compiler should be able to do what you want, and also keeping track of what it can actually do. In this case it's really the language that stands in the way to express what you want in a nice manner, really.
2016-11-09T14:50:27 < decimad> Still better than asm'ing everything though ;)
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2016-11-09T14:51:08 < decimad> oh, gcc 6 should arrive soonish for gnu arm embedded
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2016-11-09T15:11:55 < dongs> http://puu.sh/scjWM/4d61537190.jpg
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2016-11-09T15:17:25 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/4udvTWn.jpg attn englishman 
2016-11-09T15:18:10 <@englishman> #prayforcanadianimmigrationsysadmins
2016-11-09T15:18:26 <@englishman> and its ice nigga
2016-11-09T15:42:14 < Rob235> WHAT
2016-11-09T15:42:15 < Rob235> THE
2016-11-09T15:42:16 < Rob235> FUCK
2016-11-09T15:42:25 < Rob235> this is what I wake up to?
2016-11-09T15:42:37 < Rob235> fucking americans
2016-11-09T15:44:21 < decimad> is there a sadtrumpet sound already?
2016-11-09T15:45:11 < Rob235> in every sane persons head
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2016-11-09T15:48:59 < Rob235> oh fuck that and she won popular vote? (or is winning?)
2016-11-09T15:59:37 < jadew> lol Rob235
2016-11-09T15:59:55 < Rob235> :P
2016-11-09T16:00:03 < Rob235> I'm honestly in shock
2016-11-09T16:00:27 < Rob235> I'm not saying hillary is a great choice but jesus christ
2016-11-09T16:11:29 < kakimir> sup pumppers
2016-11-09T16:11:36 < kakimir> pump has gone right this time
2016-11-09T16:11:41 < kakimir> *at
2016-11-09T16:18:30 < Laurenceb_> attn Rob235   https://www.reddit.com/r/HillaryMeltdown/
2016-11-09T16:19:13 < Rob235> bleh
2016-11-09T16:28:20 < decimad> I think I'll retrain to mason
2016-11-09T16:30:47 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJhawO3FsbU
2016-11-09T16:32:31 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/KwBw6z.jpg
2016-11-09T16:32:36 < Laurenceb_> Trum trollface
2016-11-09T16:35:51 < Laurenceb_> top bants
2016-11-09T16:35:52 < Laurenceb_> http://truthfeed.com/breaking-bombshell-multiple-reports-tie-clintons-podesta-brothers-to-child-abduction-case/34348/
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2016-11-09T16:35:59 < Rob235> bmcc?
2016-11-09T16:36:49 < Rob235> :P
2016-11-09T16:37:26 < Laurenceb_> its all he ever says
2016-11-09T16:38:11 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/obQkax.jpg
2016-11-09T16:40:44 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: haha
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2016-11-09T16:42:00 < Steffanx> Received your 99c modules yet ohsix ?
2016-11-09T16:42:12 < Rob235> http://imgur.com/a/00vEP :P at least its finished
2016-11-09T16:42:48 < Steffanx> RJ :)
2016-11-09T16:45:36 < karlp> what does it doo?
2016-11-09T16:46:37 < Rob235> just tv remote controlls, power and volume.  we recently got rid of cable tv and I lost the original remote for my tv.  I've been using my phone my gf has a iphone so she can't. so I create a mounted remote for just those controls, everything else is controlled through vnc
2016-11-09T16:47:51 < Rob235> (tv is now just connected to my htpc)
2016-11-09T16:48:01 < Rob235> I know, I wanted to though
2016-11-09T16:50:19 <@englishman> GoPro announced through a release on its website that the company will recall its new $799 Karma drone. 
2016-11-09T16:50:37 < Rob235> for what reason
2016-11-09T16:50:45 <@englishman> The company decided to issue the recall because a small number of drones reportedly "lost power during operation" for unknown reasons. 
2016-11-09T16:50:51 <@englishman> hi flyback 
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2016-11-09T16:51:03 <@englishman> old news flyback 
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2016-11-09T16:56:39 <@englishman> i was doing infrastructure inspections almost 2 years ago http://i.imgur.com/zfbOLxJ.jpg
2016-11-09T16:58:08 <@englishman> wow they have sold only 2500 karma
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2016-11-09T17:20:09 < Fleck> http://imgur.com/a/javXN <<< got mine printed out today
2016-11-09T17:26:31 < aandrew> Fleck: nice
2016-11-09T17:26:40 < aandrew> how big did you print that
2016-11-09T17:26:53 < Fleck> must be A0
2016-11-09T17:27:20 < Fleck> 800mm x 1100mm something
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2016-11-09T17:51:21 < Fleck> aandrew: img is 115.4cm x 80cm
2016-11-09T17:51:33 < aandrew> nice
2016-11-09T17:52:01 < Fleck> yep, all is readable
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2016-11-09T18:15:51 < aandrew> heh I can get that poster printed as 52x36" (132x91cm) for $70
2016-11-09T18:15:56 < KreAture_Zzz> dongs it's working :) and doing so at 4 MHz
2016-11-09T18:16:21 < KreAture_Zzz> dongs The stm32f103 doesn't have fifos on dma so that's about what I can manage though, the latency and skew is just too much for more
2016-11-09T18:16:29 < aandrew> that's just under 200dpi
2016-11-09T18:16:47 < aandrew> (192dpi)
2016-11-09T18:18:10 < aandrew> man
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2016-11-09T18:42:16 < Laurenceb> KreAture_Zzz: what you making?
2016-11-09T18:42:54 < KreAture_Zzz> Laurenceb I am playing with stm32 and a few cameras for some ultra cheap lidar
2016-11-09T18:43:05 < KreAture_Zzz> I know the algo works
2016-11-09T18:43:13 < KreAture_Zzz> and now I know I can access sdram on the cheap too
2016-11-09T18:43:25 < KreAture_Zzz> This means everything is now confirmed for the worlds cheapest lidar
2016-11-09T18:43:37 < Laurenceb> lidar based on triangulating beam?
2016-11-09T18:43:40 < KreAture_Zzz> yes
2016-11-09T18:43:43 < Laurenceb> ah
2016-11-09T18:43:44 < KreAture_Zzz> parralaz
2016-11-09T18:43:46 < KreAture_Zzz> err
2016-11-09T18:43:48 < KreAture_Zzz> parralax
2016-11-09T18:43:58 < KreAture_Zzz> or howerer it is spelled
2016-11-09T18:44:01 < KreAture_Zzz> however
2016-11-09T18:44:05 < Laurenceb> I'd like to try one with time of flight and some sensl stuff
2016-11-09T18:44:05 < KreAture_Zzz> :p
2016-11-09T18:44:10 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2016-11-09T18:44:14 < Laurenceb> still need to play with sensl samples
2016-11-09T18:44:17 < KreAture_Zzz> I have a TOF camera
2016-11-09T18:44:22 < Laurenceb> wut
2016-11-09T18:44:25 < KreAture_Zzz> It uses 48 watts
2016-11-09T18:44:26 < Laurenceb> where from?
2016-11-09T18:44:29 < Laurenceb> omg
2016-11-09T18:44:39 < KreAture_Zzz> It has like 128x128 pix or something
2016-11-09T18:44:43 < KreAture_Zzz> shaped like a cube
2016-11-09T18:44:48 < KreAture_Zzz> for a EU project at work
2016-11-09T18:44:51 < Laurenceb> ah
2016-11-09T18:45:03 < Laurenceb> these are pretty epic  http://sensl.com/
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2016-11-09T18:45:23 < KreAture_Zzz> Rotec I think
2016-11-09T18:45:24 < KreAture_Zzz> http://rotec-engineering.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Time-of-flight-camera-Fotonic-1030x689.jpg
2016-11-09T18:45:27 < KreAture_Zzz> like that one
2016-11-09T18:45:47 < Laurenceb> nice
2016-11-09T18:45:54 < Laurenceb> are those LCSELS  ?
2016-11-09T18:45:58 < Laurenceb> *VCSELS
2016-11-09T18:46:36 < KreAture_Zzz> I think they are laser emitters
2016-11-09T18:46:39 < KreAture_Zzz> The cam is in middle
2016-11-09T18:46:59 < KreAture_Zzz> all the lasers pulse and it has a image sensor that measures time and stops when the pulse is detected
2016-11-09T18:47:05 < KreAture_Zzz> according to what i remember reading that is
2016-11-09T18:47:07 < Laurenceb> yeah
2016-11-09T18:47:31 < KreAture_Zzz> Fotonic E70
2016-11-09T18:47:36 < KreAture_Zzz> https://acroname.com/products/r379-e70-4w?sku=R380-E70-16W
2016-11-09T18:47:37 < KreAture_Zzz> there
2016-11-09T18:47:54 < KreAture_Zzz> as you can see it uses 16w illumination LOL
2016-11-09T18:48:00 < KreAture_Zzz> no wonder it gets hot as hell
2016-11-09T18:48:27 < Laurenceb> interesting
2016-11-09T18:48:38 < Laurenceb> I bet it doesnt use SPADs
2016-11-09T18:48:44 < Laurenceb> so low sensitivity
2016-11-09T18:49:05 < KreAture_Zzz> dunno but it was expensive
2016-11-09T18:49:06 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2016-11-09T18:49:16 < KreAture_Zzz> and the quality of the output is not really very good
2016-11-09T18:49:28 < KreAture_Zzz> 160x120 pix
2016-11-09T18:50:07 < KreAture_Zzz> My lidar will capture a line 360 deg around the robot (for the maze contest guys)
2016-11-09T18:50:21 < KreAture_Zzz> There are no moving parts
2016-11-09T18:50:53 < Laurenceb> https://hackaday.com/2014/02/28/homebrew-phase-laser-rangefinder/
2016-11-09T18:51:14 < KreAture_Zzz> doine that :)
2016-11-09T18:51:36 < KreAture_Zzz> I used a phase/amplitude IC
2016-11-09T18:51:41 < KreAture_Zzz> with 60DB range
2016-11-09T18:51:45 < KreAture_Zzz> dB
2016-11-09T18:51:59 < Laurenceb> oh nice
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2016-11-09T18:54:57 < KreAture_Zzz> Code is really simple too :) (For the sdram interface)
2016-11-09T18:57:44 < Laurenceb> how are you interfacing with f103?
2016-11-09T18:58:39 < KreAture_Zzz> lots of wires
2016-11-09T18:58:41 < KreAture_Zzz> lol
2016-11-09T18:58:43 < KreAture_Zzz> http://pastebin.com/ewyXkkWN
2016-11-09T18:58:59 < KreAture_Zzz> That's a code example for reading 512 byte from sdram
2016-11-09T18:59:22 < KreAture_Zzz> right now I haven't added the mem2mem copy optimizing yet for the clearing of buffers and copying of data at end
2016-11-09T18:59:57 < KreAture_Zzz> I will make my own version of memcpy that does it and one that can "fill" from a smaller buffer as well
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2016-11-09T19:00:15 < KreAture_Zzz> dma memory copy will be much faster than for loops
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2016-11-09T19:03:39 < KreAture_Zzz> Laurenceb here's the connection list http://pastebin.com/hwfn09vR
2016-11-09T19:04:34 < Laurenceb> dma from the gpio port?
2016-11-09T19:04:48 < KreAture_Zzz> and to it
2016-11-09T19:04:58 < Steffanx> Except for the fun, i dont see why you did this :P
2016-11-09T19:05:08 < KreAture_Zzz> Steffanx cost
2016-11-09T19:05:23 < KreAture_Zzz> Steffanx a certain person may produce 200k units
2016-11-09T19:05:37 < KreAture_Zzz> Then it becomes very interesting cutting a few dollars in the BOM
2016-11-09T19:06:13 < Laurenceb> so you use a mirror over the camera to get 360degree vision, then rotate the laser?
2016-11-09T19:06:18 < KreAture_Zzz> nope
2016-11-09T19:06:27 < Laurenceb> or you laser a line?
2016-11-09T19:06:28 < KreAture_Zzz> and nope
2016-11-09T19:06:30 < KreAture_Zzz> laser line
2016-11-09T19:06:37 < KreAture_Zzz> and camera"S"
2016-11-09T19:06:41 < KreAture_Zzz> 4 cams
2016-11-09T19:06:45 < Laurenceb> wait
2016-11-09T19:06:49 < Laurenceb> you said cheap
2016-11-09T19:06:51 < KreAture_Zzz> It is
2016-11-09T19:06:56 < KreAture_Zzz> the cams are a few dollars each
2016-11-09T19:07:06 < Steffanx> What cams? Resolution?
2016-11-09T19:07:09 < KreAture_Zzz> motor to rotate it would be bad
2016-11-09T19:07:10 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2016-11-09T19:07:14 < KreAture_Zzz> 640x480 ish
2016-11-09T19:11:07 < KreAture_Zzz> You can get much better now though
2016-11-09T19:11:20 < KreAture_Zzz> http://www.ebay.com/itm/112097651380
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2016-11-09T19:12:28 < KreAture_Zzz> finding phones with documented camera chips is the hard part
2016-11-09T19:14:31  * Laurenceb would be interested in anythink that could do high fps
2016-11-09T19:14:47 < Laurenceb> atm I'm using gopro at 240fps but its buggy as fuck and heavy
2016-11-09T19:14:48 < KreAture_Zzz> S5K4E6XP 
2016-11-09T19:15:16 < Laurenceb> gopro runs embedded linux
2016-11-09T19:15:25 < Laurenceb> what a surprise
2016-11-09T19:17:08 < KreAture_Zzz> what I basically look for is a cheap camera module from surplus cellphone mfg etc, and one with a known model number abd datasheets
2016-11-09T19:19:29 < KreAture_Zzz> This is the actual one I have been working with http://www.ebay.com/itm/161335085669
2016-11-09T19:19:59 < Laurenceb> didnt realise they had parallel interfaces
2016-11-09T19:20:18 < Laurenceb> oh those things
2016-11-09T19:20:24 < Laurenceb> lol yes I knew those existed
2016-11-09T19:20:40 < Laurenceb> how many fps do you push?
2016-11-09T19:20:47 < KreAture_Zzz> On breakout boards you pay around $4 for em
2016-11-09T19:21:02 < Laurenceb> lul 30fps max
2016-11-09T19:21:03 < KreAture_Zzz> Laurenceb dunno yet as it doesn't run on the small mcu yet
2016-11-09T19:21:07 < Laurenceb> sux
2016-11-09T19:21:16 < karlp> what are you goingt o lidar that needs more than 30fps?
2016-11-09T19:21:18 < KreAture_Zzz> on large testplatform I had much more cpu speed but had no issues with 30fps
2016-11-09T19:21:25 < Laurenceb> nice
2016-11-09T19:21:39 < Laurenceb> karlp: I want to make a super lightweight high fps camera
2016-11-09T19:21:43 < KreAture_Zzz> normal lidars for hobbymarket is up to 2 hz
2016-11-09T19:21:47 < Laurenceb> that can grab just a few frames
2016-11-09T19:22:24 < karlp> Laurenceb: that's fine, but it doesn't meant the cameras KreAture_Zzz is using are "lol sux" they're using them for somethign completely different!
2016-11-09T19:22:39 < Laurenceb> karlp: yes, it still sucks
2016-11-09T19:22:43 < Laurenceb> but its cheap
2016-11-09T19:22:50 < Laurenceb> so its value for money doesnt
2016-11-09T19:22:51 < KreAture_Zzz> lol it sux for his use, works for mine
2016-11-09T19:23:04 < Laurenceb> I dont mind the resolution
2016-11-09T19:23:09 < KreAture_Zzz> karlp once I got the pins sorted it is amazing how well this dma stuff with sdram works
2016-11-09T19:23:10 < KreAture_Zzz> :)
2016-11-09T19:23:18 < Laurenceb> I need like 10 frames of VGA at ~1kfps
2016-11-09T19:23:23 < Laurenceb> for rockoon launch filming
2016-11-09T19:23:27 < KreAture_Zzz> LOL
2016-11-09T19:23:32 < KreAture_Zzz> raccoon ?
2016-11-09T19:23:36 < KreAture_Zzz> as in furry animals
2016-11-09T19:23:41 < Laurenceb> maybe conventional film would work
2016-11-09T19:24:09 < Laurenceb> bunch of 16mm frames in pinhole cameras and mechanical shutter
2016-11-09T19:24:10 < KreAture_Zzz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Ya6z-NlDo
2016-11-09T19:24:13 < KreAture_Zzz> squirrel launcher
2016-11-09T19:24:15 < Laurenceb> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockoon
2016-11-09T19:24:42 < Laurenceb> the Trump takes Michigan
2016-11-09T19:24:51 < Laurenceb> even Detroit votes for the Trump
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2016-11-09T19:27:45 < karlp> KreAture_Zzz: are you bitbanging sdram?
2016-11-09T19:29:21 < KreAture_Zzz> yep
2016-11-09T19:29:30 < KreAture_Zzz> 4 Mbyte/s
2016-11-09T19:29:39 < Laurenceb> trump on 306
2016-11-09T19:29:51 < Laurenceb> hmmm
2016-11-09T19:29:58 < KreAture_Zzz> The Trumpening
2016-11-09T19:30:05 < Steffanx> You must be proud of mr. blaxter senior.
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2016-11-09T19:30:18 < Laurenceb> like 15fps
2016-11-09T19:30:22 < Laurenceb> not bad
2016-11-09T19:30:28 < Laurenceb> but not good enough :P
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2016-11-09T19:30:56 < KreAture_Zzz> True
2016-11-09T19:31:11 < KreAture_Zzz> and all the time can't be spent reading or writing either
2016-11-09T19:31:11 < kakimir> what next?
2016-11-09T19:31:22 < KreAture_Zzz> Limit is in the dma on the stm
2016-11-09T19:31:34  * Laurenceb wonders about antique 16mm film cameras
2016-11-09T19:32:13 < KreAture_Zzz> Laurenceb plan is to use a stm with atleast 168 MHz clock though
2016-11-09T19:32:21 < KreAture_Zzz> Running 72 MHz now
2016-11-09T19:32:29 < KreAture_Zzz> I expect great things from more clock
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2016-11-09T19:32:46 < KreAture_Zzz> and if it has a dma fifo as well it will do wonders
2016-11-09T19:38:17 < karlp> Laurenceb: isn't it common to just use flashes and regular cameras in a dark enough environment to do some "high speed, but just a few frames" stuff?
2016-11-09T19:38:33 < Laurenceb> karlp: yeah but this is in sunlight
2016-11-09T19:38:48 < karlp> well, test fire it indoors
2016-11-09T19:38:55 < Laurenceb> heh 
2016-11-09T19:39:02 < Laurenceb> I need to see the actual launch
2016-11-09T19:39:18 < Laurenceb> guess microphones would be almost as useful
2016-11-09T19:41:31 < Laurenceb> but I'll have to stick with gopro as there doesnt seem to be anything better
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2016-11-09T20:27:29 < Tectu> dongs ping
2016-11-09T20:27:52 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/a58b026bbc18a3130e8bf7394988843d37ae40cbcc32634d2189104b3c22faa6.jpg
2016-11-09T20:28:54 < Steffanx> blbal tldr
2016-11-09T20:30:00 < Laurenceb> Literally his wife's son.
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2016-11-09T20:31:07 < kakimir> his?
2016-11-09T20:31:19 < Laurenceb> nvm
2016-11-09T20:31:36 < Tectu> that's not STM32 related, Laurenceb 
2016-11-09T20:32:08 < kakimir> what is it even saying other than mental issues
2016-11-09T20:36:41 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/16b16f3055476a3a94eda961579c31c503d694eb53e938932d2ac06848b099ce.jpg
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2016-11-09T20:43:34 < Laurenceb> chris chan goes to prison
2016-11-09T20:43:35 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/030a81a7040a5b51d5a5ce92eb7102b081ad1d5fbbad7f175d2e1b163934ac98.jpg
2016-11-09T20:51:15 <@englishman> radio this morning is nothing but whining
2016-11-09T20:51:24 <@englishman> zero positiveness
2016-11-09T20:51:29 <@englishman> ppl so sad
2016-11-09T20:51:31 <@englishman> buuhuu
2016-11-09T20:51:52 < Steffanx> Yes, let's celebrate this great day.
2016-11-09T20:52:02 <@englishman> agreed
2016-11-09T20:52:04 < Steffanx> How's it picking englishman?
2016-11-09T20:52:18 <@englishman> anniversary of Kristallnacht is it not
2016-11-09T20:52:23 <@englishman> Steffanx: i have aids today
2016-11-09T20:52:33 <@englishman> chugging cough syrup and trying to stay awake
2016-11-09T20:52:49 < Steffanx> Awh.
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2016-11-09T20:53:03 <@englishman> how about yourself
2016-11-09T20:53:04 < Laurenceb> holy shit
2016-11-09T20:53:05 <@englishman> elated?
2016-11-09T20:53:12 < Laurenceb> chris chan made infowarz front page
2016-11-09T20:53:30 < Laurenceb> full meme circle
2016-11-09T20:53:34 < Steffanx> My good day is almost over
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2016-11-09T21:09:02 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KO25JYAaJC0
2016-11-09T21:10:17 < Laurenceb> he prepared well for the Trumpening
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2016-11-09T21:20:19 < Laurenceb> Colin lives in Stamford
2016-11-09T21:26:56 < Steffanx> Time to get over this trump thing Laurenceb.
2016-11-09T21:26:58 < Steffanx> it's old.
2016-11-09T21:28:42 < Laurenceb> I'm trying to find house of Furze
2016-11-09T21:32:44 < Laurenceb> found it
2016-11-09T21:33:04 < Laurenceb> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.6494477,-0.5017669,3a,66.8y,196.36h,82.49t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s9bRMDUdNy8bqoXq-v3POFw!2e0
2016-11-09T21:33:09 < Laurenceb> green pick up is his
2016-11-09T21:38:59 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/d37f8a948532c3e6ad2e06428e5a06cfc6e3f5928140b093fa8c7d3aac6466a0.jpg
2016-11-09T21:53:37 < Tectu> STOP IT LAURENCEB
2016-11-09T21:54:35  * Laurenceb is impressed by his detective skillz
2016-11-09T22:00:31 < kakimir> can find memes from 8ch - detective skills
2016-11-09T22:00:47 < Laurenceb> I meant where furze lives from his videos
2016-11-09T22:01:20 < Laurenceb> I recognised the church in his bunker video
2016-11-09T22:02:31 < kakimir> let's stalk Laurenceb 
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2016-11-09T22:27:41 < upgrdman> this quad op amp, rail2rail, seems too cheap to be true. what's bad about it? 7mV offset a lot?
2016-11-09T22:27:43 < upgrdman> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Texas-Instruments/LMV324IPWR/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtCHixnSjNA6P3Ssczg4flJFfP0lbAmrMQ%3d
2016-11-09T22:29:02 < upgrdman> even cheaper from stm  http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/LMV324LIPT/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtCHixnSjNA6A1cCp3RWdULKBSGcJwtats%3d
2016-11-09T22:29:49 < upgrdman> and its 3mV offset
2016-11-09T22:30:42 < bertrik> 1 MHz GBW is not a lot, but may be good enough
2016-11-09T22:31:19 < jadew> http://www.tme.eu/ro/Document/fbf876bd2bbdfb22abb87e003244e5f7/LM339DT.pdf
2016-11-09T22:31:29 < jadew> what's wrong with this?
2016-11-09T22:31:55 < upgrdman> bertrik, ya. i just need a comparator for low freq tho. like 1kHz is fine for my current app
2016-11-09T22:32:24 < upgrdman> jadew, look like non-r2r, and holy fuck 1.1mA quiescent current!
2016-11-09T22:35:12 < upgrdman> wtf stm. power supply pins are "VDD" and "VCC" wtf... http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/389/lmv321-954984.pdf
2016-11-09T22:35:15 < jadew> R2COM, happy HIllary won after the second count?
2016-11-09T22:35:34 < jadew> :)
2016-11-09T22:36:02 < upgrdman> hate both candidates, but so glad hillary lost
2016-11-09T22:36:24 < jadew> I would have voted for that economist with the weird name
2016-11-09T22:36:42 < Steffanx> ZzzZzZZzzz.
2016-11-09T22:37:19 < upgrdman> R2COM, he seems too abrasive to get things done fairly
2016-11-09T22:37:42 < upgrdman> but i like that he's to the point. no politically correct bullshit. A+ for that.
2016-11-09T22:38:20 < jadew> he promised he'll reveal the truth about 9/11?
2016-11-09T22:38:29 < jadew> or was that something I imagined?
2016-11-09T22:39:37 < jadew> I remember him saying that he'll reveal some crap
2016-11-09T22:40:21 < jadew> I don't know why you would assume someone would lie about their gender here
2016-11-09T22:40:35 < upgrdman> damn it. lmv324 op amp has +/- 1V differential input voltage :( no use as a comparator then
2016-11-09T22:40:37 < kakimir> Laurenceb: why wasn't putin hyper pumped about trumpination?
2016-11-09T22:41:42 < kakimir> no smile or jokes cracked
2016-11-09T22:42:07 < kakimir> even he scares sometimes?
2016-11-09T22:42:13 < jadew> upgrdman, there's nothing stoping you from using an opamp that fits the purpose, but they might not be as cheap
2016-11-09T22:42:30 < upgrdman> ya but im trying to jew the BoM
2016-11-09T22:42:50 < Thorn> LMV331?
2016-11-09T22:43:00 < upgrdman> hmmm. oh wait.
2016-11-09T22:43:18 < upgrdman> it was stm that's fucking shit. the same op amp from on semi has Vidr of +- supply voltage range
2016-11-09T22:44:00 < upgrdman> that's right
2016-11-09T22:44:08 < upgrdman> now we're going to ass rape .ru
2016-11-09T22:44:45 < jadew> from that video, I understoo trump and americanski
2016-11-09T22:44:51 < jadew> *understood
2016-11-09T22:45:47 < jadew> I don't think messing with Russia is a good idea
2016-11-09T22:46:11 < jadew> that's messing with it
2016-11-09T22:46:37 < jadew> starve a dog enough and it will eventually bite you
2016-11-09T22:47:31 < sync> well, russia could troll back and just not export titanium
2016-11-09T22:47:46 < sync> or cut back their uranium enrichment efforts for the EU
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2016-11-09T22:48:00 < kakimir> uranium and energy generally
2016-11-09T22:48:05 < jadew> my concern regarding a conflict with russia is that my country would have to get involved
2016-11-09T22:48:16 < jadew> and we're so freaking close to them
2016-11-09T22:48:16 < kakimir> why?
2016-11-09T22:48:20 < jadew> NATO
2016-11-09T22:49:01 < jadew> we've faught plenty of wars, at least the blakanians
2016-11-09T22:49:18 < jadew> of war?
2016-11-09T22:49:29 < jadew> it would be stupid not to
2016-11-09T22:49:52 < jadew> of course not
2016-11-09T22:50:14 < jadew> but if there's war with russia, we're all in
2016-11-09T22:50:21 < jadew> and romania just happens to be close
2016-11-09T22:50:43 < jadew> and I don't see any benefit from that war
2016-11-09T22:50:52 < upgrdman> for op amps, vcc is + and vdd is -, right?
2016-11-09T22:50:58 < jadew> upgrdman, no
2016-11-09T22:51:10 < sync> jadew: you're just gonna be flattened by Град salvos
2016-11-09T22:51:33 < kakimir> unstability of power resonating globally and can come up anywhere anytime?
2016-11-09T22:51:49 < jadew> upgrdman, I don't know what it means in that datasheet
2016-11-09T22:52:00 < upgrdman> o nm
2016-11-09T22:52:09 < upgrdman> the on semi chip is sane. they say v+ V-
2016-11-09T22:52:14 < upgrdman> fucking stm
2016-11-09T22:53:12 < jadew> they are in good relations with china, you don't know what the army has
2016-11-09T22:53:21 < jadew> and really, there's no point in conflict
2016-11-09T22:53:26 < jadew> regardless if they're well armed or not
2016-11-09T22:53:33 < kakimir> nobody
2016-11-09T22:53:38 < jadew> russia, is it not?
2016-11-09T22:54:23 < jadew> really? cuz I remember a conflict a couple of years back where the US wanted to intervene (russia was involved) and the chinese said that if the US goes in, they go in too
2016-11-09T22:54:40 < jadew> (on the russian's side)
2016-11-09T22:54:51 < kakimir> it had to be of their own interest
2016-11-09T22:55:07 < jadew> could be, I assumed they just have good relations
2016-11-09T22:55:22 < jadew> is there no trade between the two?
2016-11-09T22:55:27 < jadew> I find that very hard to believe
2016-11-09T22:55:49 < jadew> (the there is no trade)
2016-11-09T22:56:23 < jadew> no, I see two big countries next to eachother
2016-11-09T22:56:29 < jadew> one produces stuff, the other one needs it
2016-11-09T22:56:59 < jadew> it kinda makes sense to form some strong trade agreements
2016-11-09T22:57:07 < jadew> and ultimately, trade is what binds countries together
2016-11-09T22:57:16 < jadew> it's what keeps them out of war
2016-11-09T22:57:19 < jadew> mutual interest
2016-11-09T22:58:21 < jadew> why?
2016-11-09T22:58:43 < jadew> why is Russia more interested in trade with the US than with China
2016-11-09T23:00:51 < jadew> I don't have a lot of stuff Made in USA
2016-11-09T23:01:21 < jadew> what am I missing? what kind of technology are we talking about?
2016-11-09T23:03:11 < Steffanx> ^ that's why i dont discuss things you with R2COM. You always go like that :(
2016-11-09T23:12:56 < jadew> R2COM, still, none of that explains why russia doesn't trade with china
2016-11-09T23:13:21 < jadew> take any european country, if they would be neighbours with china, they'd love it
2016-11-09T23:13:48 < jadew> they have natural resources
2016-11-09T23:14:13 < jadew> + the economy of a country is not based on high end stuff
2016-11-09T23:14:24 < jadew> it's the crap you and I buy
2016-11-09T23:14:32 < jadew> TVs, phones, etc
2016-11-09T23:15:01 < jadew> government contracts have little to do with the economy of a country and very little impact on the quality of life of everyone in that country
2016-11-09T23:15:03 < jadew> small trade does
2016-11-09T23:15:51 < jadew> sure, but it's not what makes Joe buy a truck and rent a space
2016-11-09T23:16:38 < jadew> could be, I just don't buy it that there's no trade
2016-11-09T23:16:53 < sync> jadew: germoney only exports high end stuff
2016-11-09T23:17:05 < jadew> sync, that's because that's all they do
2016-11-09T23:19:26 < jadew> [20:55.22] <jadew> is there no trade between the two?
2016-11-09T23:19:26 < jadew> [20:55.27] <R2COM> and China exists now cuz of US money
2016-11-09T23:19:26 < jadew> [20:55.27] <jadew> I find that very hard to believe
2016-11-09T23:19:26 < jadew> [20:55.49] <jadew> (the there is no trade)
2016-11-09T23:19:26 < jadew> [20:55.50] <R2COM> because you are not well informed
2016-11-09T23:19:26 < jadew> [20:55.56] <R2COM> thats why
2016-11-09T23:20:29 < jadew> that doesn't mean they'd ignore china or that there's not a good trade relation between the two already
2016-11-09T23:20:55 < jadew> if they do that, then their economies are intertwined
2016-11-09T23:21:23 < kakimir> industry rulez
2016-11-09T23:21:34 < kakimir> everything is big money there
2016-11-09T23:22:07 < kakimir> also military means noney
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2016-11-09T23:23:21 < jadew> got it, and china, the biggest producer of the world, doesn't have that
2016-11-09T23:24:52 < jadew> I'm having a hard time imagining the kind of equipment that's so high tech china can't build, but it's at the core of the industry
2016-11-09T23:37:33 < jadew> I think you're in a different discussion
2016-11-09T23:38:05 < jadew> all I was arguing about was that I think china and russia have a good relation, because it would go against reason to be any other way
2016-11-09T23:39:00 < jadew> yeah, that's trade
2016-11-09T23:39:40 < jadew> you make it seem like it's all about the fire power
2016-11-09T23:39:47 < jadew> and that economy revolves around the military industry
2016-11-09T23:39:49 < jadew> it doesn't
2016-11-09T23:40:00 < jadew> the military industry is fueled by the regular industry
2016-11-09T23:40:11 < jadew> and you can't have that with out some helthy trade
2016-11-09T23:43:05 < jadew> you're assuming that relations between countries are only forged on big deals
2016-11-09T23:43:15 < jadew> that's what I've been trying to tell you, they're not
2016-11-09T23:43:20 < jadew> that's not where the real economy is
2016-11-09T23:43:31 < jadew> small deals that the little people are making
2016-11-09T23:43:42 < jadew> that's what drives the economy of a country and makes money move from one hand to the next
2016-11-09T23:43:54 < jadew> a guy being able to open a shop with shit from china
2016-11-09T23:44:06 < jadew> and other crap
2016-11-09T23:44:09 < jadew> but yes
2016-11-09T23:44:33 < jadew> precisely
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2016-11-09T23:45:26 < jadew> we're most importers for china
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2016-11-09T23:46:10 < jadew> yes, cuz I'm stupid
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2016-11-09T23:48:40 < aandrew> there have been many elections where the winner did not have the popular vote
2016-11-09T23:49:00 < aandrew> it's an odd artifact of the electoral college system
2016-11-09T23:49:10 < decimad> can you vote per facebook in the us? :)
2016-11-09T23:49:31 < jadew> which makes no sense, because the electroal votes are supposed to be proportional to the voting population
2016-11-09T23:49:39 < jadew> so it makes no sense why you wouldn't just count the votes
2016-11-09T23:50:00 < decimad> as far as I understoof that is only a law in 4 states
2016-11-09T23:50:06 < jadew> anyway, I think it's silly that everyone voted for either of them, there were better candidates in the race
2016-11-09T23:50:15 < decimad> and that law only kicks in if more states adapt it
2016-11-09T23:51:23 < jadew> LeelooMinai, well, he has 0% chance of winning if everyone thinks he does
2016-11-09T23:51:40 < jadew> if they'd just vote for whoever they thought would lead the country best, then everyone would have equal chances
2016-11-09T23:52:03 < decimad> then it's down to manipulating everyone into thinking someone can't wint
2016-11-09T23:52:29 < jadew> decimad, exactly
2016-11-09T23:52:50 < jadew> in the end, the sheeple will always vote for one of the two parties
2016-11-09T23:53:03 < jadew> which is as stupid as old people who vote for a specific party in here
2016-11-09T23:53:10 < jadew> regardless of who's running
2016-11-09T23:53:54 < decimad> I think universally it's best to simply not vote trump
2016-11-09T23:54:01 < jadew> LeelooMinai, votes shouldn't be casted to make sure someone else won't win
2016-11-09T23:54:16 < decimad> but easy people like easy answers
2016-11-09T23:54:25 < jadew> they have to be casted on who you think can lead the country better, if you don't do that, you get stupid results
2016-11-09T23:54:40 < decimad> and if a society let's it happen that > 50% of people are easy, then this happens
2016-11-09T23:55:33 < decimad> anyways, this will be some 4 funny years to watch from outside :P
2016-11-09T23:55:51 < jadew> decimad, as I was saying earlier, I don't think much will change
2016-11-09T23:56:09 < decimad> no, only the rhetorical level of the speeches
2016-11-09T23:56:09 < jadew> it would have probably been similar if Hillary won
2016-11-09T23:56:26 < jadew> yeah, and perhaps some other small stuff
2016-11-09T23:57:02 < decimad> people will ultimately understand that nationalism doesn't help solving the problems in the long run
2016-11-09T23:57:22 < jadew> I'm willing to bet money that we won't see any anti-gay or anti-race stuff going on
2016-11-09T23:57:38 < decimad> hehe
2016-11-09T23:58:29 < jadew> there's a difference between nationalism and mass adoption of welfare consumers
2016-11-09T23:58:36 < decimad> LeelooMinai: It's the same here in germany with the afd... a world movement :P
2016-11-09T23:58:38 < jadew> if you make that distinction, then we agree
2016-11-09T23:59:07 < decimad> liberal nationalist or whatever image they want to comply to :P
2016-11-09T23:59:28 < decimad> could as well be called dumbfucks, but that doesn't sound nice
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2016-11-10T00:00:12 < jadew> *and being against mass adoption of welfare consumers
2016-11-10T00:00:18 < decimad> I wonder if we will see the mexican wall from space! :)
2016-11-10T00:00:49 < jadew> if that's gonna happen, it's going to be a waste of money
2016-11-10T00:01:28 < decimad> luckily proving that will only be possible after the period is over :P
2016-11-10T00:01:53 < jadew> LeelooMinai, don't we already have one?
2016-11-10T00:02:02 < jadew> isn't there a radiation belt around earth?
2016-11-10T00:02:39 < jadew> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt
2016-11-10T00:05:52 < jadew> I remember a physics lecture, where it was mentioned that they tried to remove it by detonating a nuclear bomb there and now there are two belts
2016-11-10T00:06:28 < jadew> don't know
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2016-11-10T00:07:10 < jadew> the wiki page makes what I remember make little sense tho
2016-11-10T00:07:12 < bertrik> trump should jail that van allen guy!
2016-11-10T00:07:51 < jadew> LeelooMinai, apparently it poses a danger for space travel
2016-11-10T00:10:10 < jadew> "The Earth has two such belts and sometimes others may be temporarily created."
2016-11-10T00:10:46 < jadew> by "sometimes others may be temporarily created" they probably mean "if you detonate a nuclear bomb there, they can be split into multiple belts"
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2016-11-10T01:53:03 < dongs> KreAture_Zzz: awesome, where's shithub
2016-11-10T01:54:28 <@englishman> dongs: did you see gobro news
2016-11-10T01:57:14 <@englishman> gobro only sold 2500 mavics
2016-11-10T01:57:17 <@englishman> and they are all recalled
2016-11-10T02:01:35 < ds2> what's the reason for the recall?
2016-11-10T02:02:35 <@englishman> something about the battery falling out
2016-11-10T02:02:53 < ds2> at least it isn't a self incineration
2016-11-10T02:03:14 < KreAture_Zzz> dongs pm
2016-11-10T02:11:52 < KreAture_Zzz> dongs you got a gitlab account ?
2016-11-10T02:11:55 < KreAture_Zzz> see pm
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2016-11-10T02:18:12 < jadew> what's gitlab?
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2016-11-10T02:40:54 < KreAture_Zzz> jadew it's a online git repository service thingy
2016-11-10T02:41:00 < KreAture_Zzz> for cooperating on code etc
2016-11-10T02:41:11 < jadew> ah, nice
2016-11-10T02:44:41 < jadew> 99 little bugs in the code.
2016-11-10T02:44:41 < jadew> 99 little bugs.
2016-11-10T02:44:41 < jadew> Take one down, patch it around.
2016-11-10T02:44:41 < jadew> 127 little bugs in the code.
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2016-11-10T04:14:16 < jadew> lmfao: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNi1hKi9Z5c
2016-11-10T04:14:49 < jadew> or was this already covered in here? :)
2016-11-10T04:16:46 < jadew> it's a little funny :)
2016-11-10T04:18:13 < zyp> I don't get what's funny about hysteric people
2016-11-10T04:18:48 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I was thinking what Barak Obama was thinking this morning: "Oh shit... the guy who made me produce my birth certificate is now president"
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2016-11-10T04:19:45 < jadew> LeelooMinai, nothing will happen to them
2016-11-10T04:19:47 < upgrdman> the top of this chair looks like a bunch of dicks  http://imgur.com/a/8T9sQ
2016-11-10T04:20:44 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I don't think that's gonna happen either
2016-11-10T04:20:45 < zyp> LeelooMinai, isn't hysteria still hysteria even given reasonable cause?
2016-11-10T04:21:06 < zyp> LeelooMinai, either way I still don't get what's supposed to be fun about it
2016-11-10T04:21:32 < jadew> zyp, it's just funny that people are so emotionally invested and because it's not my country, so I don't care lol
2016-11-10T04:21:51 < zyp> jadew, it's not my country either, I still don't see the fun
2016-11-10T04:21:59 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, chatting with you has been be an expert at detecting dicks ;)
2016-11-10T04:22:10 < upgrdman> s/been/made
2016-11-10T04:22:34 < jadew> LeelooMinai, obviously
2016-11-10T04:23:07 < jadew> but at this point it's just a bunch of people getting worked up over hypothetical scenarios
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2016-11-10T04:25:32 < stvn> welcome
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2016-11-10T04:26:51 < upgrdman> lol. some faggot spent $200 on a monospaced font for programmers   https://www.kennethreitz.org/essays/test-driving-a-200-programming-font-operator-mono
2016-11-10T04:26:58 < stvn> ty
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2016-11-10T04:27:17 < stvn> it's always the fags isn't it!
2016-11-10T04:27:23 < upgrdman> ALWAYS
2016-11-10T04:27:37 < stvn> ^_^
2016-11-10T04:27:41 < jadew> upgrdman, looks the same like everything else
2016-11-10T04:27:46 < stvn> so what in the stm32 are you jewing?
2016-11-10T04:27:58 < upgrdman> jadew, the italics are in cursive. such rage.
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2016-11-10T04:28:11 < jadew> oh
2016-11-10T04:28:16 < jadew> such fag
2016-11-10T04:28:50 < jadew> and hipster keyboard
2016-11-10T04:29:02 < jadew> he had to add that in the picture
2016-11-10T04:29:10 < upgrdman> LOL. the last comment on this page. must be dongs that wrote it   https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/5c51io/google_secret_hiring_challenge/
2016-11-10T04:30:28 < stvn> i like that 
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2016-11-10T04:30:47 < stvn> i'd believe he wrote it, but no autism mentioned
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2016-11-10T04:32:00 < jadew> I think that's him https://www.kennethreitz.org/photos/
2016-11-10T04:32:30 < stvn> i'd register a reddit account just to upvote it
2016-11-10T04:32:35 < jadew> he's a programmer (I assume, otherwise why would you buy a programming font), a photographer and a musician
2016-11-10T04:32:58 < jadew> leonardo da vinci must be jealous
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2016-11-10T04:33:46 < jadew> "I specialize in building programming tools for humans, not machines."
2016-11-10T04:34:22 < zyp> none of the solutions are valid
2016-11-10T04:34:36 < zyp> «Write a function called answer(s)»
2016-11-10T04:35:27 < jadew> I didn't read it, is it a programming riddle?
2016-11-10T04:35:36 < stvn> yeah i just read the dongspeak
2016-11-10T04:35:39 < zyp> yeah
2016-11-10T04:35:40 < zyp> http://pastebin.com/5wTi34zX
2016-11-10T04:37:36 < jadew> "Provide a Python solution" that's where it beat me
2016-11-10T04:38:25 < dongs> nice. theres altidong 17 free seminar on dec 7
2016-11-10T04:38:30 < dongs> showign the new ACTIVEROUTE
2016-11-10T04:38:38 < dongs> < going
2016-11-10T04:38:39 < jadew> dongs, does it come with free altium? :)
2016-11-10T04:38:55 < dongs> i hope it comes with something free
2016-11-10T04:39:09 < dongs> maybe free month of subscription extension
2016-11-10T04:39:20 < dongs> or maybe they giev away those uselses fucking NANOBOARDS
2016-11-10T04:40:30 < jadew> very easy problem tho
2016-11-10T04:40:46 < jadew> that's like... newbie level
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2016-11-10T04:41:18 < dongs> lol provide a python solution
2016-11-10T04:41:38 < jadew> yeah :)
2016-11-10T04:41:53 < jadew> I think someone is getting his homework done on reddit
2016-11-10T04:42:22 < dongs> is there a python one-liner that deletes itself
2016-11-10T04:42:25 < dongs> in a non-obvious way
2016-11-10T04:42:37 < dongs> give them that
2016-11-10T04:42:50 < jadew> I don't know python
2016-11-10T04:43:24 < jadew> let me rephrase that, I don't want to know python
2016-11-10T04:44:03 < jadew> the syntax is too much for me
2016-11-10T04:44:45 < upgrdman> i was tempted to learn python but i like to manager my whitespace as i see fit
2016-11-10T04:44:56 < jadew> upgrdman, same here
2016-11-10T04:45:05 < upgrdman> like for functions with assloads of arguments, i often put each arg on its own line
2016-11-10T04:45:21 < upgrdman> so i can comment each arg
2016-11-10T04:45:29 < upgrdman> or just read it more clearly
2016-11-10T04:45:58 < jadew> I'm just used to {}
2016-11-10T04:46:24 < upgrdman> i've caught myself using {} just for unnamed namespaces in c
2016-11-10T04:46:43 < upgrdman> so i can do like {int cocks; ... } and then later on also do {int cocks; ... }
2016-11-10T04:46:57 < upgrdman> without compiler bitching about redefinition
2016-11-10T04:47:20 < jadew> LeelooMinai haha
2016-11-10T04:48:35 < jadew> upgrdman, maybe you can do the same with python
2016-11-10T04:48:38 < jadew> two tabs
2016-11-10T04:54:50 < zyp> heh, when I looked at that python thing I figured «bet I could solve that with a oneliner without using regex»
2016-11-10T04:54:53 < zyp> so I did
2016-11-10T04:55:36 < zyp> def answer(s):
2016-11-10T04:55:37 < zyp>     return (i for i in range(len(s), 0, -1) if len(s) % i == 0 and all(reduce(lambda x, y: x == y and x, s[j::len(s) / i]) for j in range(i))).next()
2016-11-10T04:57:10 < jadew> what does it do?
2016-11-10T04:57:18 < jadew> what's all? and reduce and next?
2016-11-10T04:58:21 < jadew> zyp, does that take the ring aspect into account?
2016-11-10T04:58:51 < zyp> the whole thing is a generator expression, (…).next() grabs the first generated output
2016-11-10T04:58:56 < jadew> the sequence can start at any point in the string and warp back at the begining
2016-11-10T05:00:27 < zyp> all() takes an iterable and returns true if all are true, reduce() takes a function and an iterable and uses the function to reduce it
2016-11-10T05:00:52 < zyp> reduce(f, [a, b, c]) is equivalent to f(f(a, b), c)
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2016-11-10T05:01:18 < jadew> I see
2016-11-10T05:01:27 < jadew> does it also take care of the ring aspect?
2016-11-10T05:01:29 < jadew> or you missed that?
2016-11-10T05:02:01 < jadew> it says that the M&Ms are in a circle
2016-11-10T05:02:44 < zyp> hmm, the test cases didn't mention that, 
2016-11-10T05:02:53 < zyp> but I'm not sure that matters
2016-11-10T05:03:27 < jadew> zyp, I'm not sure either
2016-11-10T05:03:35 < jadew> let's see
2016-11-10T05:03:45 < jadew> abcabc bcabca
2016-11-10T05:03:47 < zyp> I mean, it's a repeating pattern, so no matter where you start slicing, each period looks identical
2016-11-10T05:03:48 < jadew> yeah, it doesn't
2016-11-10T05:03:59 < jadew> yep
2016-11-10T05:05:02 < zyp> so I start by iterating over how many pieces it can be sliced into, upper bound is len(s), lower bound is 1
2016-11-10T05:05:27 < zyp> all slices must be same size, so I filter out cases where len(s) % i is nonzero
2016-11-10T05:06:10 < zyp> and then I compare each slice to see if they match
2016-11-10T05:07:05 < zyp> LeelooMinai, we just talked about that
2016-11-10T05:07:08 < zyp> 04:03:47 < zyp> I mean, it's a repeating pattern, so no matter where you start slicing, each period looks identical
2016-11-10T05:08:01 < zyp> abcabc could be sliced into abc abc, bca bca or cab cab, it doesn't matter
2016-11-10T05:08:11 < zyp> so there is no wrapping problem
2016-11-10T05:08:32 < upgrdman> rc toy be like "lolumad"   http://i.imgur.com/jE68kCh.gifv
2016-11-10T05:08:50 < zyp> if you disagree, construct a test case that would demonstrate a wrapping problem
2016-11-10T05:09:33 < zyp> 3412 3412
2016-11-10T05:10:40 < zyp> read the fucking task?
2016-11-10T05:10:52 < zyp> you're supposed to find the maximum number of identical slices
2016-11-10T05:11:11 < zyp> http://pastebin.com/5wTi34zX
2016-11-10T05:11:19 < jadew> it's someone's homework for sure
2016-11-10T05:20:14 < zyp> made a typo in the implementation, it should be: return (i for i in range(len(s), 0, -1) if len(s) % i == 0 and all(reduce(lambda x, y: x == y and x, s[j::len(s) / i]) for j in range(len(s) / i))).next()
2016-11-10T05:20:43 < zyp> yeah
2016-11-10T05:20:53 < zyp> LeelooMinai, why?
2016-11-10T05:21:05 < zyp> I mean, it's already doing it
2016-11-10T05:21:53 < zyp> no, .next() grabs the first output from the generator
2016-11-10T05:22:04 < zyp> and then it stops iterating
2016-11-10T05:22:48 < zyp> I could throw a max() around it, but then it would need to finish and then compare them all, and I know the largest output will be the first
2016-11-10T05:22:54 < zyp> since it's iterating downwards
2016-11-10T05:26:40 < jadew> I went at a contest once (which I won) and looking back on the problems now, they seem silly
2016-11-10T05:27:33 < zyp> looks like my implementation is faster than the regex one as well
2016-11-10T05:27:47 < jadew> what's even sillier is that I was the only one who solved them out of ~30 other kids
2016-11-10T05:27:59 < jadew> wanna hear the problems?
2016-11-10T05:28:19 < jadew> they're super easy
2016-11-10T05:28:24 < zyp> sure
2016-11-10T05:28:56 < stvn> so busy not much time to autism along on ##stm32
2016-11-10T05:29:13 < stvn> (as in me autisming fwiw)
2016-11-10T05:29:35 < jadew> 1) Given a list of numbers, find the longest string of bits that are the same on all numbers (they formulated it differently, but that's what they meant).
2016-11-10T05:30:12 < zyp> wat
2016-11-10T05:30:21 < jadew> and 2) Validate a mathematical expression that can contain + - and ().
2016-11-10T05:31:02 < zyp> heh
2016-11-10T05:31:34 < jadew> zyp, for example if you have 1 and 4, the answer is 2
2016-11-10T05:32:38 < jadew> LeelooMinai, not really
2016-11-10T05:32:44 < jadew> base 2 is universal
2016-11-10T05:32:52 < zyp> jadew, uh, expressed binary, in the number of digits that the largest number requires?
2016-11-10T05:32:57 < jadew> and needless to say, everyone else tried to convert them by doing the math lol
2016-11-10T05:33:07 < jadew> I just inlined a bit of asm
2016-11-10T05:33:25 < zyp> LeelooMinai, exactly
2016-11-10T05:33:40 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, sorry, you have to start from the LSB
2016-11-10T05:33:54 < zyp> jadew, wat?
2016-11-10T05:33:56 < jadew> I don't remember the exact text of the problem
2016-11-10T05:34:09 < jadew> no, because then you'd have lots of 0s
2016-11-10T05:34:18 < jadew> and they're not significant for the number
2016-11-10T05:34:41 < zyp> yeah, but then it's not 2 for 1 and 4
2016-11-10T05:34:48 < zyp> unless it's like I said
2016-11-10T05:34:55 < zyp> which doesn't really make sense
2016-11-10T05:35:14 < jadew> zyp, yeah, that's true
2016-11-10T05:35:34 < zyp> that's what I said
2016-11-10T05:35:40 < zyp> which doesn't really make sense
2016-11-10T05:35:53 < jadew> I wish I remembered the text of the problem, but I din't think the extra 0s would count
2016-11-10T05:35:58 < jadew> so yeah, 4 and 1 would be 1
2016-11-10T05:35:59 < jadew> not 2
2016-11-10T05:36:13 < jadew> 6 and and 3 would be 2 tho
2016-11-10T05:36:24 < jadew> wait
2016-11-10T05:36:25 < jadew> 7
2016-11-10T05:36:31 < jadew> 7 and 3
2016-11-10T05:36:55 < zyp> 6 and 3 would also be 2
2016-11-10T05:37:22 < jadew> no, again I don't remember the text correctly (I don't even remember the word they used in romanian)
2016-11-10T05:37:32 < jadew> but the positions had to match too and it had to start from the begining
2016-11-10T05:37:41 < jadew> they somehow expressed that in one freaking word
2016-11-10T05:38:27 < jadew> no... I don't know it in english for sure
2016-11-10T05:38:35 < zyp> jadew, oh, so the number of LSB that's common for all numbers?
2016-11-10T05:38:40 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-10T05:38:48 < jadew> that's a better way to put it
2016-11-10T05:39:06 < zyp> okay, that's easy
2016-11-10T05:39:08 < jadew> anyway, that was the easy one IMO
2016-11-10T05:39:09 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-10T05:39:28 < jadew> the other one felt a bit trickier, especially since I was doing it in pascal
2016-11-10T05:39:40 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-10T05:40:21 < jadew> they tried to convert them to binary by doing the math
2016-11-10T05:40:23 < jadew> :D
2016-11-10T05:40:42 < stvn> i do the meth
2016-11-10T05:40:45 < jadew> I found that hilareous
2016-11-10T05:41:23 < zyp> I would just AND all numbers and OR all numbers and then count how many lower bits are matching between the two
2016-11-10T05:41:39 < zyp> should be faster
2016-11-10T05:41:43 < stvn> my desk is being half populated by a mac-fag
2016-11-10T05:42:09 < jadew> I don't really remember how I solved it, but I remember I did part of it in asm
2016-11-10T05:42:14 < jadew> which baffeled the teachers
2016-11-10T05:42:19 < zyp> haha
2016-11-10T05:43:49 < jadew> I had to cheat on an exam
2016-11-10T05:43:59 < jadew> they had a fox pro question lol
2016-11-10T05:44:06 < jadew> I went to the bathroom and called my g/f at the time
2016-11-10T05:44:11 < jadew> she was into programming too
2016-11-10T05:44:28 < jadew> LeelooMinai, hehe
2016-11-10T05:45:30 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-10T05:46:23 < jadew> I don't remember that one
2016-11-10T05:46:53 < jadew> yeah, I didn't care for them either
2016-11-10T05:46:58 < jadew> I heard about lotus too
2016-11-10T05:48:23 < zyp> jadew, here you go: http://paste.jvnv.net/view/MQvGe
2016-11-10T05:48:37 < jadew> haha zyp
2016-11-10T05:48:38 < jadew> nice
2016-11-10T05:48:46 < jadew> I wish I understood it
2016-11-10T05:48:58 < jadew> but not really, because python :P
2016-11-10T05:49:10 < jadew> still, very small solution
2016-11-10T05:49:37 < zyp> first reduce ANDs all numbers, second reduce ORs all numbers, ^ is xor as usual, which gives you 1 for all bits that are different
2016-11-10T05:49:45 < zyp> then just a for loop to find first 1
2016-11-10T05:49:46 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I remember having a discussion in the early 90's with my CS teacher back then and he was programming in Fox amongst other things
2016-11-10T05:49:56 < jadew> and he said he didn't like it but he's doing it because that's where the money are
2016-11-10T05:50:28 < jadew> zyp, what exactly does reduce do?
2016-11-10T05:51:13 < zyp> jadew, like I said, reduce(f, [a, b, c, d]) is equivalent to f(f(f(a, b), c), d)
2016-11-10T05:51:24 < jadew> ah, right
2016-11-10T05:51:40 < zyp> and that's what the lambda function is for
2016-11-10T05:51:51 < jadew> seems a bit wasteful tho
2016-11-10T05:52:02 < zyp> compared to what?
2016-11-10T05:52:16 < jadew> for () res &= x;
2016-11-10T05:52:27 < jadew> for () res &= numbers[i];
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2016-11-10T05:54:20 < zyp> jadew, eh, it's just like a for loop
2016-11-10T05:54:40 < jadew> yeah, I imagine it's not doing it recursively
2016-11-10T05:55:21 < zyp> f(f(f(a, b), c), d) isn't a recursive expression either
2016-11-10T05:55:42 < jadew> zyp, kind of is
2016-11-10T05:55:57 < zyp> the inner function executes first, returns, then next executes with the output as an argument, returns, then the outer executes
2016-11-10T05:56:02 < jadew> it's not recursive if you write by hand
2016-11-10T05:56:13 < jadew> but otherwise, you running it from the outside
2016-11-10T05:56:18 < jadew> *you are
2016-11-10T05:56:23 < zyp> it's not recursive in any case, because they are not stacked on top of each other on the stack
2016-11-10T05:56:48 < ds2> Mmmm the scent of antiparallelization
2016-11-10T05:57:11 < zyp> LeelooMinai, then you haven't understood recursion
2016-11-10T05:57:39 < zyp> no, I don't
2016-11-10T05:57:49 < jadew> the thing is that it's a naturally recursive thing, but it doesn't have to be for this particular case
2016-11-10T06:00:17 < jadew> the reason it may not seem like recursion is because recursion can seem to be non-recursive if you use an external stack
2016-11-10T06:00:21 < jadew> then you have a for loop
2016-11-10T06:00:30 < jadew> and in this particular case, the stack is already provided to you
2016-11-10T06:00:34 < zyp>  well, duh, you can implement any loop by recursion if you want to, that doesn't mean that it's inherently recursive
2016-11-10T06:02:32 < zyp> http://paste.jvnv.net/view/9HbAL <- is this recursion?
2016-11-10T06:04:06 < zyp> is «a + b + c + d» recursion?
2016-11-10T06:04:52 < zyp> but is it recursive?
2016-11-10T06:05:02 < zyp> how?
2016-11-10T06:05:37 < jadew> you have to solve the smallest element first and it grows towards the exterior
2016-11-10T06:05:42 < jadew> but when you run it from the outside
2016-11-10T06:05:47 < jadew> you have to first go down into it
2016-11-10T06:05:52 < jadew> and find the smallest bit
2016-11-10T06:05:57 < jadew> then you can unroll and solve it
2016-11-10T06:06:51 < jadew> I think a lot of stuff are naturally recursive, but there are many cases for which you can optimize in various ways
2016-11-10T06:07:07 < jadew> and I don't think it's immediately apparent to us that it's a recursive problem, because we're so smart :P
2016-11-10T06:07:56 < zyp> LeelooMinai, based on your rules, any expression using the same operator twice is recursive then
2016-11-10T06:08:09 < jadew> zyp, yeah
2016-11-10T06:08:14 < jadew> and it doesn't have to be the same operator
2016-11-10T06:08:35 < jadew> a + b == add(a, b)
2016-11-10T06:08:58 < jadew> a + b + c = add(add(a + b), c)
2016-11-10T06:10:12 < zyp> okay
2016-11-10T06:10:23 < upgrdman> is an ABI just a definition for "this is how you interact with me, down at the asm level" ?
2016-11-10T06:10:31 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-10T06:10:45 < zyp> congratulations, you've made the term «recursive» utterly pointless because you just concluded that everything is recursive
2016-11-10T06:11:40 < jadew> zyp, hehe, well most things are, but as I said earlier, we're optimizing a lot
2016-11-10T06:11:43 < zyp> it's besides the point
2016-11-10T06:12:12 < zyp> fuck off
2016-11-10T06:12:28 < zyp> what I meant is that f is not a recursive function, as it does not invoke itself
2016-11-10T06:12:49 < zyp> and by then doesn't have the inherent stack penalty that recursive functions do
2016-11-10T06:12:49 < jadew> on the other hand I wouldn't know where to draw the line
2016-11-10T06:13:19 < zyp> which would be potential for criticism of recursive solutions
2016-11-10T06:13:28 < zyp> which is why I claimed this is not a recursive solution
2016-11-10T06:13:38 < zyp> it's an iterative solution
2016-11-10T06:13:39 < jadew> zyp, yeah, but these cases can be optimized because the stack already exists
2016-11-10T06:13:49 < jadew> and can be easily navigated
2016-11-10T06:14:39 < zyp> there's no stack to optimize, the stack frames for each invokation doesn't overlap
2016-11-10T06:14:49 < jadew> I wonder if anyone bothere to define where things become iterative
2016-11-10T06:16:05 < jadew> zyp, when you're implementing a recursive function with external stack, you are usually splitting the problem down until you find the smallest piece you need then you solve that
2016-11-10T06:16:12 < jadew> in the case of the list of numbers and reduce()
2016-11-10T06:16:18 < jadew> you already have that stack
2016-11-10T06:16:31 < zyp> what the fuck is an external stack?
2016-11-10T06:16:46 < jadew> it's how you can solve a recursive problem without recursion
2016-11-10T06:16:56 < zyp> where's the stacking going on?
2016-11-10T06:16:59 < jadew> you basically use a vector and store state in that vector
2016-11-10T06:17:04 < jadew> but the function is never calling itself
2016-11-10T06:17:39 < zyp> jadew, what vector?
2016-11-10T06:18:13 < jadew> let me think of an example
2016-11-10T06:18:47 < stvn> I wonder how my neighbours are coping with me shouting I AM THE KING OF AUTISM while cleaning the garage
2016-11-10T06:18:47 < jadew> I'll write something up quickly
2016-11-10T06:20:14 < stvn> negative
2016-11-10T06:26:26 < dongs> cortex-M pros
2016-11-10T06:26:32 < zyp> sup?
2016-11-10T06:26:40 < dongs>   LDR     R7, =0x42242C is there any way this can be 22242C
2016-11-10T06:26:46 < dongs> by compiling for M3 or M4?
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2016-11-10T06:27:42 < zyp> hmm?
2016-11-10T06:28:43 < dongs> huh
2016-11-10T06:28:51 < dongs> the opcode for that is 7E 4F
2016-11-10T06:28:53 < dongs> where's the literal
2016-11-10T06:28:59 < dongs> is it somewhre nearby in flash?
2016-11-10T06:29:02 < dongs> and 4F is offset/
2016-11-10T06:30:39 < zyp> yeah, it's pulling it from a literal pool
2016-11-10T06:30:59 < dongs> would tehre be a different there on m3 or M4?
2016-11-10T06:31:31 < zyp> well, the thing is, your assembler is cheating
2016-11-10T06:31:57 < zyp> there's no LDR with that big of an immediate, so it's substituting something else
2016-11-10T06:32:02 < jadew> zyp, this is oversimplified, but it's great for our discussion: http://pastebin.com/LPUeXqKR
2016-11-10T06:32:06 < dongs> heh
2016-11-10T06:32:51 < jadew> zyp, and this  is solved with an external stack: http://pastebin.com/kXhupvd3
2016-11-10T06:33:23 < jadew> and you can now see what I mean by optimizing that case
2016-11-10T06:33:35 < jadew> the stack is already provided, in the form of the arguments
2016-11-10T06:34:14 < jadew> but the problem itself is still naturally recursive
2016-11-10T06:34:32 < stvn> time for breakfast
2016-11-10T06:34:37 < jadew> again, I don't know where the line is drawn, but math is recursive IMO
2016-11-10T06:36:18 < dongs> hm
2016-11-10T06:36:23 < dongs> zyp even i uncheck smplify it still has it
2016-11-10T06:36:32 < dongs> the large immedaite load
2016-11-10T06:36:33 < dongs> hm
2016-11-10T06:36:39 < dongs> M3 is arm v7M right
2016-11-10T06:36:44 < zyp> yes
2016-11-10T06:36:52 < dongs> what th fucking fuck is going on
2016-11-10T06:36:53 < zyp> what's different between M3 and M4?
2016-11-10T06:37:25 < dongs> that 42242C shold be 22242C
2016-11-10T06:37:33 < dongs> faggot claims on M3 this works
2016-11-10T06:37:36 < stvn> lol
2016-11-10T06:39:52 < zyp> dongs, check the value in the pool?
2016-11-10T06:40:02 < dongs> how, weher the fuck is it
2016-11-10T06:40:08 < stvn> in the pool mate
2016-11-10T06:40:16 < dongs> pool's closed bro
2016-11-10T06:40:25 < stvn> not in ARM land
2016-11-10T06:42:06 < zyp> dongs, offset of that instruction + 0x1fc, it seems
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2016-11-10T06:50:03 < zyp> jadew, I think the whole matter of inventing that external stack just so you can «optimize» it away just so you can call it an optimized recursive function is a bit silly
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2016-11-10T06:50:27 < jadew> zyp, I didn't invent it
2016-11-10T06:50:40 < jadew> a more complex problem would actually need it
2016-11-10T06:51:02 < jadew> but in this case it's not needed
2016-11-10T06:51:24 < jadew> so you can optimize it away and we do
2016-11-10T06:51:31 < zyp> that's because a more complex problem would actually be recursive :)
2016-11-10T06:52:18 < jadew> I think at this point we're just debating on where that line is and I don't know the answer to that
2016-11-10T06:52:45 < jadew> but the problem is naturally recursive, it's just that it's so simple, it can be done iteratively and without an extra stack
2016-11-10T06:53:37 < zyp> I draw the line where you have to keep intermediate state for each recursion
2016-11-10T06:58:15 < zyp> LeelooMinai, it iterates over a list, invoking a function on each element
2016-11-10T06:58:28 < zyp> well, iterates over an iterator rather
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2016-11-10T07:05:54 < zyp> sure
2016-11-10T07:06:11 < zyp> so what, you've already concluded that everything is recursive?
2016-11-10T07:06:53 < jadew> only down to the quantum level, that's where things stop making sense
2016-11-10T07:07:36 < zyp> LeelooMinai, well, since a program itself is a recursive tree of operators, everything is recursive
2016-11-10T07:08:23 < jadew> zyp, not all programs
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2016-11-10T07:08:50 < jadew> only those where statements work on previously computed values
2016-11-10T07:09:05 < zyp> I'm still maintaining that neither reduce() nor f() are recursive functions, going by the textbook definition stating that a recursive function is a function that invokes itself
2016-11-10T07:09:59 < jadew> zyp, it's a recursive problem solved in a non-recursive way, nobody said it's done recursively
2016-11-10T07:10:27 < zyp> jadew, agreed
2016-11-10T07:12:05 < zyp> LeelooMinai, what I don't get is why you spend so much time arguing something that is completely pointless and besides my point
2016-11-10T07:13:46 < zyp> I'm sorry, I have to correct you there, you've certainly been arguing about how I'm wrong
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2016-11-10T07:14:30 < zyp> okay
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2016-11-10T07:15:08 < zyp> I can rephrase
2016-11-10T07:15:18 < zyp> «f is not a recursive function»
2016-11-10T07:18:56 < upgrdman> lol. california voted to legalize marijuana, and voted not to require porn stars to wear condoms, and voted to prohibit plastic bags...
2016-11-10T07:19:52 < zyp> but at least they didn't vote for trump
2016-11-10T07:24:00 < dongs> zyp, found
2016-11-10T07:24:06 < dongs> 0000044C dword_44C       DCD 0x42242C
2016-11-10T07:24:23 < dongs> at 44C, LDR is at
2016-11-10T07:24:23 < dongs> 00000252                 LDR     R7, =0x42242C
2016-11-10T07:24:32 < zyp> haha, did you load it up in IDA?
2016-11-10T07:24:36 < dongs> so theres no fuckign way it can be misinterpreting
2016-11-10T07:24:37 < dongs> yeah
2016-11-10T07:25:02 < zyp> well, it's just grabbing the value that's in the constant pool
2016-11-10T07:25:31 < zyp> so if the value in the pool is wrong, blame whatever generated the code
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2016-11-10T07:35:45 < jpa-> good morning good people
2016-11-10T07:36:10 < stvn> hi
2016-11-10T07:36:13 < jadew> morning
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2016-11-10T07:38:22 < dongs> zyp, right
2016-11-10T07:40:25 < stvn> its phantom of the opera
2016-11-10T07:44:15 < dongs> pumper of the opera, more like
2016-11-10T07:48:56 < Kliment> upgrdman: So they voted for no plastic bags twice :P
2016-11-10T07:49:27 < upgrdman> yup
2016-11-10T07:49:51 < upgrdman> but im guessing the sale of small baggies will rise
2016-11-10T07:49:57 < upgrdman> and gram scales
2016-11-10T07:50:31 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: They used to use waxed canvas for that
2016-11-10T07:50:43 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Unless you died in a coal mine
2016-11-10T07:50:52 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Then they'd just use the coal sacks
2016-11-10T07:51:55 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: History is a scary place
2016-11-10T07:52:46 < Kliment> Well, coal mine safety has an abysmal record
2016-11-10T07:53:27 < Kliment> Working in the mines was incredibly dangerous
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2016-11-10T07:57:07 < jadew> well, they were working for money, I bet
2016-11-10T07:57:30 < jadew> nice
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2016-11-10T08:04:10 < stvn> LeelooMinai o.o
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2016-11-10T08:15:01 < stvn> bloggin http://i.imgur.com/NZv6iIE.jpg
2016-11-10T08:16:51 < stvn> could call it that... in a 'digital sense' though
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2016-11-10T08:18:46 < stvn> yeah
2016-11-10T08:18:54 < stvn> ddjsz i believe
2016-11-10T08:19:05 < stvn> yes
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2016-11-10T08:19:47 < stvn> 2799 aud here ;)
2016-11-10T08:21:08 < stvn> it's a beautiful thing... the old ~$250 players will do the trick, but you need the latest penis extension to be in
2016-11-10T08:22:26 < stvn> and of course you buy the unit which is bred for 'tracktor' or 'serato'
2016-11-10T08:25:37 < stvn> same
2016-11-10T08:25:52 < stvn> i just fix the electronics
2016-11-10T08:26:21 < stvn> in a nutshell they just manage your music for PC enabled controller
2016-11-10T08:27:03 < stvn> rofl this jogwheel has a pic10f2
2016-11-10T08:27:15 < stvn> why no renesas pioneer
2016-11-10T08:30:23 < dongs> renesas? more like whats that other super jappy processor
2016-11-10T08:33:47 < ohsix> dog is fully engaged in lap farting behaviour
2016-11-10T08:36:54 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I just started watching Humans, I'm at minute 7
2016-11-10T08:37:02 < jadew> is the wife going to have sex with the robot?
2016-11-10T08:37:40 < jadew> yes
2016-11-10T08:38:11 < jadew> ah, I thought you're up to date
2016-11-10T08:39:36 < stvn> ah farken ell might have to go for a drive to get my long shaft #0 philips head drivers
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2016-11-10T08:40:54 < ohsix> the original humans or the remake or the new one
2016-11-10T08:41:06 < ohsix> that supernatural stuff bores me to tears
2016-11-10T08:42:36 < jadew> it's with merlin and chick from the it crowd
2016-11-10T08:47:39 < stvn> if i didn't smoke so much pot in my teenage years i might remember where i put the beer i was drinking :/
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2016-11-10T09:00:28 < ohsix> jadew: <3 katherine parkinson
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2016-11-10T09:00:47 < jadew> her name is parkinson?
2016-11-10T09:01:11 < ohsix> PASS
2016-11-10T09:01:12 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-10T09:01:29 < jadew> school years must have been interesting for her hehe
2016-11-10T09:01:48 < jadew> yeah, I like her too, but I've only seen her in a couple of movies + that show
2016-11-10T09:02:03 < jadew> well, maybe not movies, don't know where I saw her
2016-11-10T09:02:25 < ohsix> chris morris was the boss on the it crowd
2016-11-10T09:02:30 < ohsix> i need to watch that again
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2016-11-10T09:02:51 < jadew> I think I'll rewatch black books
2016-11-10T09:02:52 < ohsix> i rewatched the special a few weeks ago, it was meh
2016-11-10T09:02:58 < ohsix> huhu
2016-11-10T09:03:25 < ohsix> yea black books was alright
2016-11-10T09:05:21 < ohsix> hm heh, i plugged in ethernet to laptop to do something, something that needed ethernet, but i forgot D:
2016-11-10T09:07:44 < ohsix> got distracted by the pup
2016-11-10T09:08:03 < ohsix> ahhh, i remember; downloading the election night streams some people did on youtube
2016-11-10T09:09:01 < jadew> spoiler alert: trump wins
2016-11-10T09:18:00 < jadew> must be really cool to be the president of the USA
2016-11-10T09:19:13 < stvn> yeah
2016-11-10T09:19:17 < stvn> pump it up
2016-11-10T09:19:34 < dongs> crt, are you joining me at the altidumb seminar
2016-11-10T09:20:10 < stvn> when does it start d?
2016-11-10T09:21:49 < ohsix> heh vice news had a 12h stream
2016-11-10T09:23:49 < dongs> color me surprised
2016-11-10T09:24:00 < dongs> R2COM: did y ou know trump hates fags and transwomen?
2016-11-10T09:24:05 < dongs> and people of color
2016-11-10T09:24:51 < ohsix> it is weird to use esatap like a portable drive
2016-11-10T09:25:03 < ohsix> the only ssd i have is on the other end of that cable lul
2016-11-10T09:26:30 < Kliment> ohsix: Why would it be weird - it's literally what it was designed for
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2016-11-10T09:26:54 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: You might like "in the loop"
2016-11-10T09:27:21 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Loop_%28film%29
2016-11-10T09:27:50 < Kliment> R2COM: You know, I'm okay with insulting a nation that does that
2016-11-10T09:28:34 < ohsix> Kliment: because it is :p
2016-11-10T09:28:52 < Kliment> Anyways, time to go catch a plane
2016-11-10T09:28:57 < ohsix> i've got one device with esata and it is still new, it's a usb port too
2016-11-10T09:29:07 < ohsix> i don't bring the drive with me or anything
2016-11-10T09:29:12 < Kliment> R2COM: Not to mention he didn't even get a majority
2016-11-10T09:29:46 < ohsix> the electoral college serves one purpose
2016-11-10T09:29:53 < ohsix> when it does what you want you can point at the popular vote
2016-11-10T09:29:55 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Just a couple million more. But it doesn't matter because the electoral system is by state
2016-11-10T09:29:59 < ohsix> when it doesn't you can point at the popular vote
2016-11-10T09:30:34 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Exactly my point
2016-11-10T09:30:55 < Kliment> R2COM: I don't know how you came up with russia, but no, I've only visited once for 4 days
2016-11-10T09:31:04 < Kliment> R2COM: And am not a big fan
2016-11-10T09:31:23 < Kliment> But anyways, plane
2016-11-10T09:31:25 < Kliment> ->
2016-11-10T09:31:39 < jadew> ok... that first episode didn't end as I expected
2016-11-10T09:34:11 < ohsix> it's not outdated
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2016-11-10T09:34:29 < ohsix> it makes a lot of states not matter
2016-11-10T09:35:09 < ohsix> you can make fun of florida for 4 years and the fuck you exactly every 4
2016-11-10T09:36:25 < ohsix> none was provided, good job
2016-11-10T09:37:01 < ohsix> calling it outdated is wasting your breath, there are lots of real reasons it is shit and time isn't one of them
2016-11-10T09:38:05 < ohsix> they aren't all caucuses
2016-11-10T09:38:12 < dongs> 'minority'
2016-11-10T09:38:15 < ohsix> each state has their own primary process, some are caucuses
2016-11-10T09:38:18 < dongs> don't chop your dick off, y ou won't be in a minority
2016-11-10T09:38:32 < ohsix> you just don't know what you're talking about
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2016-11-10T09:39:53 < jadew> the implication to what dongs just said, being that there are more transexuals with dicks than without dicks
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2016-11-10T09:40:19 < dongs> that is probably true
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2016-11-10T09:41:47 < ohsix> good, so vote for gary johnson
2016-11-10T09:41:54 < ohsix> elaborate impotence
2016-11-10T09:41:57 < dongs> what teh fuck
2016-11-10T09:42:00 < dongs> google.com/movies is gone
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2016-11-10T09:42:17 < ohsix> everyone has great ideas and is completely inept at any idea how they would make them happen
2016-11-10T09:43:04 < ohsix> go buy and island and start your own common law government, see you in 200 years
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2016-11-10T09:46:24 < ohsix> Pork scratchings typically are heavy and hard, have a crispy layer of fat under the skin, and are flavored only with salt. The pig hair is usually removed by quickly burning the skin of the pig before it is cut into pieces and cooked in hot fat. 
2016-11-10T09:47:06 < jadew> lol
2016-11-10T09:48:18 < jadew> girls on steam have dicks tho
2016-11-10T09:50:40 < jadew> ohsix, what's this called? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/SORIC.JPG
2016-11-10T09:51:38 < jadew> why hoves?
2016-11-10T09:51:52 < jadew> you mean hooves?
2016-11-10T09:52:04 < jadew> aren't those on the feet?
2016-11-10T09:52:23 < jadew> R2COM, anything sexual is OK
2016-11-10T09:52:30 < jadew> they're not doing it to you, so why would you care?
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2016-11-10T09:52:47 < jadew> LeelooMinai, don't know, sounds wrong
2016-11-10T09:53:26 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/dorrismccomics/status/796391240514342912
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2016-11-10T09:53:48 < ohsix> jadew: haha i have no idea
2016-11-10T09:53:55 < jadew> R2COM, I agree that it's disgusting, but that doesn't make it wrong
2016-11-10T09:54:04 < ohsix> jadew: those pores look like it had hair tho
2016-11-10T09:54:16 < jadew> ohsix, yeah, it's the skin
2016-11-10T09:54:17 < ohsix> maybe something fermented?
2016-11-10T09:54:36 < jadew> no, that's the skin of the pig
2016-11-10T09:54:46 < jadew> you put salt on it and you eat it
2016-11-10T09:54:50 < jadew> LeelooMinai, no
2016-11-10T09:55:27 < ohsix> that doris comics guy looks funny, the last panel is usually 'oh no'
2016-11-10T09:56:19 < jadew> LeelooMinai, that looks uneatable
2016-11-10T09:57:37 < jadew> yeah, but not pickled
2016-11-10T09:57:54 < jadew> we have them in a romanian dish too
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2016-11-10T09:58:05 < jadew> but I don't eat that either
2016-11-10T09:59:13 < jadew> long story short, you guys don't neat this? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/SORIC.JPG
2016-11-10T09:59:36 < jadew> salted pig skin
2016-11-10T09:59:46 < jadew> *eat
2016-11-10T10:00:13 < ohsix> nah
2016-11-10T10:00:19 < jadew> LeelooMinai, heh
2016-11-10T10:00:30 < ohsix> i don't eat scratchings or rinds, though i have
2016-11-10T10:00:37 < dongs> loading up mikroElectronika GLCD Font Creator 1.2.0.0
2016-11-10T10:01:00 < ohsix> there aren't a lot of weird foods in america, or old world shit
2016-11-10T10:01:16 < dongs> snails are fucking awesome
2016-11-10T10:01:21 < ohsix> regional stuff like the gulf of mexico and michigan/wisconson have some stuff but nothing like that i don't think
2016-11-10T10:01:25 < dongs> to eat
2016-11-10T10:01:26 < jadew> never had snails
2016-11-10T10:01:32 < dongs> theres some jappu shit in the sea
2016-11-10T10:01:36 < ohsix> i think you're wrong there LeelooMinai 
2016-11-10T10:01:37 < jadew> haha LeelooMinai
2016-11-10T10:01:38 < dongs> pick them out between rocks and boil
2016-11-10T10:01:40 < dongs> good stuff.
2016-11-10T10:01:40 < ohsix> i've never seen a pig not in the ocean
2016-11-10T10:02:10 < ohsix> hm tom scott is in sf
2016-11-10T10:02:25 < dongs> R2BRO is in "special" forces
2016-11-10T10:02:26 < ohsix> god fahouahgha i'm gonna have to spend like a year there just checking out who comes through
2016-11-10T10:02:27 < dongs> as in special ed
2016-11-10T10:02:32 < dongs> amirite y/y/y
2016-11-10T10:02:35 < jadew> dongs, you're making a font?
2016-11-10T10:02:45 < dongs> jadew: yeah. 
2016-11-10T10:02:56 < jadew> you couldn't find one you like?
2016-11-10T10:03:01 < ohsix> broadcom posts some interesting videos to youtube but the titles don't say shit what they are about, it's like 'rock star <name>'
2016-11-10T10:03:02 < dongs> jadew: unicode
2016-11-10T10:03:25 < jadew> you need it in a format you can use, right?
2016-11-10T10:03:29 < jadew> a bitmap
2016-11-10T10:03:30 < dongs> jadew: it has to be UNICODE
2016-11-10T10:03:35 < dongs> as in, with over 9000 characters
2016-11-10T10:03:44 < dongs> i dont give a fuck what format its in
2016-11-10T10:03:49 < dongs> ideally it would just be bitmaps
2016-11-10T10:04:31 < jadew> dongs, but that thing seems to be a program that allows you draw the font
2016-11-10T10:05:53 < jadew> dongs, ah it allows you to import regular forts I assume
2016-11-10T10:06:31 < jadew> I only asked because I have a little thing that converts fonts to something binary maps at specific font sizes
2016-11-10T10:06:34 < ohsix> remember when what 4chan did, was block the pool in habbo hotel
2016-11-10T10:06:47 < jadew> found it a while ago and it proved very useful
2016-11-10T10:07:14 < ohsix> jadew: lul last time i converted/ripped fonts i just used freetype2/sdl and took a screenshot :D
2016-11-10T10:07:31 < jadew> ohsix, heh
2016-11-10T10:07:44 < ohsix> i've used the 8x8 font i ripped from a pc for a billion years
2016-11-10T10:08:03 < ohsix> http://basic.butt.care/~ohsix/images/font8x8.png
2016-11-10T10:08:09 < ohsix> dat smiley
2016-11-10T10:08:39 < jadew> I'm off to bed
2016-11-10T10:08:41 < jadew> night
2016-11-10T10:09:04 < ohsix> o/
2016-11-10T10:09:12 < dongs> jadew: right t hats what im doing now
2016-11-10T10:09:15 < ohsix> you are not naive LeelooMinai, keep telling them
2016-11-10T10:09:19 < dongs> importing arial uinicode ms, 0 to 65535
2016-11-10T10:09:24 < dongs> its taking a while
2016-11-10T10:12:16 < ohsix> broadcom presents a video you won't watch with rock star someonewhogivesashit
2016-11-10T10:13:01 < ohsix> Kliment: #1 using esata medium/long term just to transfer files or whatever, cable is sensitive to orientation changes, like really sensitive
2016-11-10T10:14:58 < ohsix> no he is rubber and YOU'RE glue
2016-11-10T10:15:30 < ohsix> lets do cooler things, because shit sucks
2016-11-10T10:19:45 < ohsix> you know most of the time, if you get a fish on the hook and fight for it, you eventually get the fish, or let it go. that is what makes this lame analogy appropriate
2016-11-10T10:26:50 < dongs> it always has a non-perpetual buy option?
2016-11-10T10:26:59 < dongs> you just stop paying for the support..
2016-11-10T10:27:37 < ohsix> they're not riddles you're just thick ;D
2016-11-10T10:27:51 < ohsix> but eh, don't have energy to play along tonight
2016-11-10T10:27:52 < ohsix> bbl
2016-11-10T10:28:25 < dongs> lol mikroe shit is STILL going
2016-11-10T10:28:45 < dongs> 580megs memory in use
2016-11-10T10:30:09 < jpa-> haha, even mcufont might have finished by now, and it is crazy slow :)
2016-11-10T10:30:31 < jpa-> but 64k symbols is a lot
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2016-11-10T10:38:24 < ohsix> emeryth: karlp: http://jes.ecsdl.org/content/162/8/A1592.full.pdf whole thing but specifically page 5
2016-11-10T10:38:26 < ohsix> er fack
2016-11-10T10:38:27 < ohsix> page 4
2016-11-10T10:38:37 < Kliment> ohsix: I didn't know esata had that problem - is it on the host side or the connector side that it fails?
2016-11-10T10:39:03 < ohsix> Kliment: well it's lvds and not slow, it's just a lot more sensitive than usb(2)
2016-11-10T10:39:19 < ohsix> i have to basically not move laptop to lap or around with it plugged in
2016-11-10T10:39:34 < ohsix> the cable could suck, too; dunno
2016-11-10T10:39:36 < ohsix> bbl!
2016-11-10T10:39:53 < Kliment> ohsix: I have a USB cable like that, and I don't use it anymore :)
2016-11-10T10:40:33 < Kliment> ohsix: I keep it in case someone really upsets me, then I can hide it among their normal cables
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2016-11-10T10:44:50 < dongs> emWin font maker ended up with 25megs .c file
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2016-11-10T10:48:19 < jpa-> think you'll have enough flash? :)
2016-11-10T10:49:13 < dongs> yeah i have 2 megs
2016-11-10T10:49:26 < dongs> but i can also erase a bunch of useless ranges
2016-11-10T10:49:27 < upgrdman> lol  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-mint-gold-stolen-guilty-1.3843169
2016-11-10T10:49:36 < dongs> ended up using GNU UNIFONT
2016-11-10T10:49:37 < upgrdman> "His locker contained Vaseline and latex gloves, which could have been used to insert a puck into his rectum," he ruled, adding that there were no cameras in the locker room.
2016-11-10T10:49:50 < dongs> RIP englishman 
2016-11-10T10:50:04 < jpa-> dongs: don't you fear gpl?
2016-11-10T10:50:12 < dongs> jpa, in what sense
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2016-11-10T10:50:23 < dongs> it goes into external SPI flash
2016-11-10T10:50:28 < dongs> with nothing else in it
2016-11-10T10:50:40 < dongs> i dont have to opensauce it right?
2016-11-10T10:51:30 < jpa-> probably not, though you need to acknowledge its use somewhere
2016-11-10T10:52:00 < Kliment> That's actually not the case
2016-11-10T10:53:37 < jpa-> Kliment: ?
2016-11-10T10:53:44 < Kliment> The GPL does not require attribution
2016-11-10T10:54:06 < Kliment> It requires that distribution is accompanied by source
2016-11-10T10:54:26 < jpa-> it does require distributing the original source, or a written offer to provide the source.. which kind of takes care of the "attribution" part
2016-11-10T10:55:03 < dongs> well what source?
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2016-11-10T10:55:10 < dongs> you mean unifont.bdf?
2016-11-10T10:55:44 < jpa-> yeah, gpl works pretty badly for fonts
2016-11-10T10:56:07 < upgrdman> "These font files are licensed under the GNU General Public License, either Version 2 or (at your option) a later version, with the exception that embedding the font in a document does not in itself constitute a violation of the GNU GPL. The full terms of the license are in LICENSE.txt."
2016-11-10T10:56:08 < jpa-> in a sense whatever you already distribute is the source, except that you may not remove copyright notices from the source..
2016-11-10T10:56:16 < upgrdman> so would an spi flash be a "document" ?
2016-11-10T10:56:20 < dongs> haha
2016-11-10T10:56:27 < dongs> no, i think that would be using that font in a .doc file
2016-11-10T10:56:36 < dongs> and printing it or osmethign
2016-11-10T10:58:09 < jpa-> i'd just print "Includes GNU UNIFONT 9.0, licensed under GPLv2, source available at http://unifoundry.com/unifont.html" somewhere and only the most hardcore toenail eating RMS-copycats would be dissatisfier
2016-11-10T10:59:29 < Thorn> if it "includes" gpl software you're supposed to also make all the source for your own firmare available, no?
2016-11-10T11:00:23 < dongs> that would be retarded
2016-11-10T11:00:30 < jpa-> Thorn: only if it links to it
2016-11-10T11:00:31 < dongs> the font is the only thing in SPI flash
2016-11-10T11:00:55 < Thorn> there're no exceptions for that afaik
2016-11-10T11:01:24 < jpa-> Thorn: yet the android phone in your pocket has plenty of vendor proprietary code, along with linux kernel
2016-11-10T11:01:49 < jpa-> just being on the same PCB doesn't constitute derivative work, it seems
2016-11-10T11:02:58 < jpa-> but this is the most unclear part of GPL, how far you can go before it "infects" you
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2016-11-10T11:15:05 < dongs> 1.8megs
2016-11-10T11:15:16 < dongs> in emwin 'sif' format
2016-11-10T11:16:13 < dongs> i can probly call anything > ascii as 16x16 fixed and use that as index with unicode ranges and holes mapped in flash
2016-11-10T11:16:20 < dongs> to be able to quickly access to wahtever bitmap
2016-11-10T11:18:34 < dongs> only 20megs .c after wiping out a bunch of useless arabic fonts
2016-11-10T11:20:57 < jpa-> 16*16*65536 bits is nicely exactly 2 megabytes :P
2016-11-10T11:21:15 < dongs> yeah
2016-11-10T11:22:28 < dongs> i know it fits. but that bdf has a ubnch of shit ill never use
2016-11-10T11:22:36 < dongs> realistically i just need ascii + all of CJK
2016-11-10T11:25:57 < dongs> stupid fucking BDF doesn't have it just 16x16. it actually has width and start x/start y
2016-11-10T11:26:57 < dongs> oh noez
2016-11-10T11:26:59 < dongs> BDF does it correctly
2016-11-10T11:27:02 < dongs> fucking EMWIN shit fails
2016-11-10T11:28:03 < dongs> mikroE -> shitheap
2016-11-10T11:28:05 < dongs> its STILL going
2016-11-10T11:28:15 < dongs> RIPLCD Font Creator
2016-11-10T11:29:24 < jpa-> if you just want it to binary, importing from bdf is probably easiest
2016-11-10T11:29:34 < dongs> yeah.... thats what im looking into now
2016-11-10T11:29:48 < dongs> that gnu bdf is all either 8x16 or 16x16
2016-11-10T11:29:58 < dongs> fucking emwin shit adds crap to each char to exactly fit it
2016-11-10T11:34:26 < Steffanx> Lol rage o'clock.
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2016-11-10T11:35:49 < dongs>  // Created from bdf2c Version 4, (c) 2009, 2010 by Lutz Sammer
2016-11-10T11:35:52 < dongs> more like lutz scammer
2016-11-10T11:47:03 < dongs> ASTERISM
2016-11-10T11:47:15 < ohsix> butters is pressing pickle
2016-11-10T11:47:46 < ohsix> Kliment: printrun, same kliment?
2016-11-10T11:49:22 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: it's like rain on your wedding day!
2016-11-10T11:49:52 < ohsix> but, if you mob a website, the thing you do expect is for it to cock up or go down
2016-11-10T11:50:12 < ohsix> there's some sort of irony singularity where nobody that uses the word is doing it right ;]
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2016-11-10T12:07:33 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/U7Vav523.html
2016-11-10T12:07:36 < dongs> .........................
2016-11-10T12:07:38 < dongs> from bdf2c
2016-11-10T12:10:14 < jpa-> seems like reasonable example of how to read the font data
2016-11-10T12:10:29 < jpa-> of course it expects you to remove that and replace with your own code
2016-11-10T12:10:59 < jpa-> it's from the place where for-loops are forbidden
2016-11-10T12:24:32 < dongs> from the island of stack, overflow.
2016-11-10T12:33:07 < [7]> zyp: and it hits me for the 3rd time
2016-11-10T12:33:24 < [7]> didn't you tell me that only F0 had that "SRAM clock stopped during sleep" thing?
2016-11-10T12:33:30 < [7]> F2 has it as well
2016-11-10T12:33:42 < dongs> depends what sleep...
2016-11-10T12:33:59 < dongs> even F1 has a standby or stop or someshit mode wehre sram is off
2016-11-10T12:34:08 < [7]> just wfi
2016-11-10T12:34:13 < dongs> then no
2016-11-10T12:34:24 < dongs> unless you specifically enabled something weird with powercfg stuff
2016-11-10T12:34:51 < [7]> check RCC_AHBxLPENR
2016-11-10T12:37:15 < dongs> and?
2016-11-10T12:37:34 < [7]> well, you can turn off the SRAM there, so that isn't an F0-specific feature at all
2016-11-10T12:38:18 < [7]> rather curiously testing results suggests that if one of the USB controllers is active, it has some way of keeping the SRAM active as well
2016-11-10T12:38:32 < [7]> that one doesn't seem to bother about the LPENR bits at all, in contrast to other DMA
2016-11-10T12:38:53 < dongs> USB controlelr has its own sram block
2016-11-10T12:39:06 < dongs> for endpoints.
2016-11-10T12:39:18 < dongs> its power is probably on together with the rest of the usb core.
2016-11-10T12:39:28 < [7]> hm, right, OTG_FS has that weird IRQ-based software-emulated DMA thing
2016-11-10T12:39:36 < [7]> OTG_HS has real DMA though, need to look into that
2016-11-10T12:41:09 < karlp> they still both have their own packet memory
2016-11-10T12:41:46 < [7]> yes, but OTG_HS can access the other SRAMs via the AHB bus
2016-11-10T12:55:07 < jpa-> can't you DMA out of OTG_FS fifo?
2016-11-10T12:57:46 < jpa-> and yeah, you can disable SRAM clock in sleep mode (this still retains SRAM contents but DMA cannot access it) on F2 and F4, but by default it is enabled in sleep
2016-11-10T13:09:44 < dongs> k 40k chars
2016-11-10T13:10:04 < dongs> 1.2megs of binary, and i still need to come up with a nice way to index them
2016-11-10T13:10:47 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/cxGupw24.html ranges that I kept
2016-11-10T13:16:49 < jpa-> int getindex(int c) { if (c >= 0x2000) c -= (0x2000 - 0x00FF); if (c >= 0x2500) c -= (0x2500-0x206F); .. return c; }
2016-11-10T13:19:45 < dongs> oh hm
2016-11-10T13:19:49 < dongs> that works i guess
2016-11-10T13:20:06 < dongs> what happens when its out of range completly?
2016-11-10T13:20:27 < jpa-> it returns bogus index and you get random crap
2016-11-10T13:20:34 < dongs> heh
2016-11-10T13:21:31 < jpa-> you could also include whole pages ..00 to ..FF and then just make a lookup based on the high byte
2016-11-10T13:23:40 < dongs> ah hm. just do 0-FF, 2000-20FF, 2500-25FF, 3000-30FF, 3400-4DFF, etc
2016-11-10T13:24:34 < jpa-> yeah
2016-11-10T13:28:09 < dongs> 40958 chars
2016-11-10T13:30:53 < dongs> hmm
2016-11-10T13:30:56 < dongs> 40951 if i count manually
2016-11-10T13:30:56 < dongs> wtf
2016-11-10T13:31:08 < dongs> did I off by one somewehre?
2016-11-10T13:31:18 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/W3C3Ej95.html
2016-11-10T13:31:30 < dongs> all of those should be +1 ?
2016-11-10T13:32:23 < dongs> 40960 otherwise. hmm. so there's 2 chars missing in GNUFONT somewhere.
2016-11-10T13:37:46 < dongs> found them
2016-11-10T13:37:51 < dongs> FFFE and FF
2016-11-10T13:38:32 < karlp> are those the BOM stuff?
2016-11-10T13:38:38 < jpa-> yeah :)
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2016-11-10T13:40:22 < jpa-> or something.. FFFF cannot be BOM stuff but some placeholder
2016-11-10T13:42:44 < dongs> ok. got the counts exactly same
2016-11-10T13:52:39 < dongs> jpa how does lookup on high byte help me. i still have ranges of them, 0, 20, 25,  30, 34-4D, 4E-9F, AC-D7, F9-FA, FE-FF
2016-11-10T13:53:09 < dongs> tho i guess i can just have that table with counts i pasted earlier and just calc address absed on that?
2016-11-10T13:53:33 < dongs> still need to loop through tho
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2016-11-10T13:54:48 < jpa-> int indexes_to_char_data[256] = {0x00000000, ... };   and then just    read_from_spi(indexes_to_char_data[c >> 8] + (c & 0xFF) * size_of_glyph, size_of_glyph);
2016-11-10T13:56:01 < dongs> indexes has number where there's data?
2016-11-10T13:56:09 < dongs> and 0 if not?
2016-11-10T13:57:08 < jpa-> well i'd probably use -1 for missing ranges and then add an if() for checking that
2016-11-10T13:58:08 < jpa-> first glyphs probably start at 0x0000 and then 0x2000-0x20FF range at 2*16*256 = 0x2000 (heh, funny coincidence) etc.
2016-11-10T14:07:24 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/FsvYZs22.html like this ?
2016-11-10T14:09:38 < dongs> crap no
2016-11-10T14:09:48 < dongs> i fucked up each thing is 32bytes
2016-11-10T14:09:50 < dongs> fuck bbl
2016-11-10T14:10:11 < jpa-> :)
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2016-11-10T14:32:50 <@englishman> https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=yvtttyMnNKk
2016-11-10T14:32:53 <@englishman> lul
2016-11-10T14:35:02 < karlp> "Up next: Go PRO Karma: Impossible to crash!!!"
2016-11-10T14:36:36 < dongs> https://gopro.com/2016karmareturn
2016-11-10T14:36:36 < dongs> wat
2016-11-10T14:36:42 < dongs> they dont even have firmware updates for it?
2016-11-10T14:37:01 <@englishman> dongs I linked the butt smuggler months ago when he was arrested
2016-11-10T14:37:24 <@englishman> you know the funniest part? Only 2500 sold
2016-11-10T14:37:43 < dongs> was it retardedly priced or something?
2016-11-10T14:39:12 < dongs> $900
2016-11-10T14:39:14 < dongs> ya no
2016-11-10T14:39:45 < dongs> wait, doesnt evne come wiht gobro?
2016-11-10T14:39:57 <@englishman> nope
2016-11-10T14:40:03 < dongs> haha. page closed
2016-11-10T14:40:13 < dongs> my inspire1 is doing just fine thx
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2016-11-10T14:47:22 < dongs> jpa-: http://bcas.tv/paste/results/pE9v6226.html autogenerated y/n
2016-11-10T14:53:44 < dongs> anyway, that will work
2016-11-10T14:57:39 < jpa-> just remember to make it const :)
2016-11-10T14:57:45 < dongs> well yeah
2016-11-10T14:59:52 < dongs> what's a quick way I can dump this into a SPI flash
2016-11-10T15:00:00 < dongs> is there some -discovery sample that does mass strorage or something
2016-11-10T15:03:35 < dongs> http://www.waveshare.com/wiki/AT45DBXX_DataFlash_Board yay
2016-11-10T15:04:14 < dongs> http://www.waveshare.com/wiki/W25QXX_DataFlash_Board or this rather
2016-11-10T15:06:19 < dongs> wtf
2016-11-10T15:06:22 < dongs> waveshare samples use HAL
2016-11-10T15:06:24 < dongs> now
2016-11-10T15:20:30 < dongs> time to bust out ST samples
2016-11-10T15:24:12 < dongs> shit. i can only find the AT45 board and that shit is different pinout from standard SPI flash
2016-11-10T15:24:15 < dongs> gg
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2016-11-10T16:10:13 < zyp> 11:33:07 < [7]> zyp: and it hits me for the 3rd time
2016-11-10T16:10:13 < zyp> 11:33:24 < [7]> didn't you tell me that only F0 had that "SRAM clock stopped during sleep" thing?
2016-11-10T16:10:42 < zyp> at the time, F0 were the only one I were aware of
2016-11-10T16:15:49 <@englishman> dongs did anyone come up with a decent way to mount these ipad panels
2016-11-10T16:16:01 <@englishman> im tired of kapton taping them to the bottom of my monitor, they always fall off
2016-11-10T16:17:47 < dongs> laser like 4 layers of plexiglas
2016-11-10T16:18:06 <@englishman> i can cnc lexan
2016-11-10T16:18:17 < dongs> well, wahtever, taht
2016-11-10T16:18:33 <@englishman> to make a frame?
2016-11-10T16:18:53 < dongs> yea?
2016-11-10T16:19:05 <@englishman> k i was looking more just to clone something
2016-11-10T16:19:28 < dongs> some jap is selling layered plexi thing, but obv no plans cuz jap
2016-11-10T16:26:57 < zyp> that thing I bought?
2016-11-10T16:27:12 < dongs> y
2016-11-10T16:27:18 < dongs> i have it in my other office too
2016-11-10T16:27:25 < zyp> yeah, that was nice enough
2016-11-10T16:28:09 < zyp> I bought a couple of ram mount suction cups and an arm, so I just stick one suction cup to the back of the plexi thing and the other one anywhere
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2016-11-10T16:33:10 < dongs> zyp, easiest way to raw write  SPI flash from F103 evalboard? any suggestions?
2016-11-10T16:33:19 < dongs> i was gonna do MSC but that seems like a lot of work
2016-11-10T16:33:28 < dongs> plus managing like 64k page erases
2016-11-10T16:34:05 < zyp> in what sense?
2016-11-10T16:34:10 < dongs> just that
2016-11-10T16:34:14 < dongs> i made a font rom thingy
2016-11-10T16:34:17 < dongs> and I wanna dump it to SPI flash
2016-11-10T16:34:25 < dongs> obvioiusly its > mcu flash size
2016-11-10T16:34:42 < dongs> i suppose i could just split it and flash a couple times with offset
2016-11-10T16:34:46 < zyp> and this is a usb device?
2016-11-10T16:34:49 < dongs> yea it can be
2016-11-10T16:34:55 < dongs> i mean i have a F103 wavesahre thing
2016-11-10T16:34:59 < dongs> with usb + SPI breakout
2016-11-10T16:35:04 < zyp> I'd just do some custom control requests or something
2016-11-10T16:35:11 < dongs> and then PYTHON?
2016-11-10T16:35:21 < zyp> yeah, but whatever works
2016-11-10T16:35:33 < dongs> hm! wait
2016-11-10T16:35:35 < dongs> i can do DFU
2016-11-10T16:35:35 < zyp> if you want a standard protocol, just do DFU
2016-11-10T16:35:38 < dongs> yeah
2016-11-10T16:35:45 < dongs> and I can just hax the bootloader
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2016-11-10T16:36:42 < dongs> sweet. haxing.
2016-11-10T16:37:33 < zyp> DFU is easy as fuck
2016-11-10T16:37:45 < dongs> yeah, well, i already have awesome ST DFU samples
2016-11-10T16:37:49 < dongs> thats perfect.
2016-11-10T16:37:51 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/bootloader.cpp?id=9a09653 <- I'd just grab this and replace the Flashloader class
2016-11-10T16:38:05 < zyp> which is three functions
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2016-11-10T16:39:34 < dongs> and for production programming im gonna put a flash chip on the jig, flip a switch or something, DFU to update the master flash and then flip switch to do let stm32 on jig just copy from master to the flash on-board
2016-11-10T16:39:57 < dongs> since that shit can happen at like max SPI speed
2016-11-10T16:40:00 < dongs> + erase time
2016-11-10T16:40:17 < dongs> actually probly no erase involved on new chips, so just writing time
2016-11-10T16:40:26 < zyp> you're still using ROM bootloader?
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2016-11-10T16:41:03 < dongs> well, for the production board that has that flash shit on it, it has no other external interface
2016-11-10T16:41:16 < dongs> some of my stuff im usint ST's DFU sample hacked up a bit
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2016-11-10T16:46:48 < karlp> dfu suggests using alternate settings to indicate how to support differetn memory regions
2016-11-10T16:47:12 < dongs> na im just gonna hax that one to directly advertise/do only spi flash
2016-11-10T16:47:19 < dongs> this would be just for the programming jig
2016-11-10T16:48:20 < karlp> yar, some bootloaders also just expect the "firmware" file to have special information in it, rather than just raw flash binary
2016-11-10T16:48:21 < jpa-> if ROM DFU allows writing to arbitrary memory addresses, you could just init SPI and DMA through it, write a block into RAM and trigger DMA
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2016-11-10T16:48:56 < dongs> no rom DFU on F103
2016-11-10T16:48:59 < jpa-> it does have "write memory" command, and does allow writing to ram atleast, but not sure if it allows writing to peripheral regs
2016-11-10T16:49:17 < dongs> it doesnt amtter, i haev working usb code on that stuff.
2016-11-10T16:50:10 < dongs> none of hte leds on waveshare board are on timers :(
2016-11-10T16:50:15 < dongs> cant_breath
2016-11-10T16:52:31 < Laurenceb_> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/09/gopro_drone_recall/
2016-11-10T16:52:36 < dongs> ancient
2016-11-10T16:52:38 < Laurenceb_> GoFail failing
2016-11-10T16:52:44 < Laurenceb_> what a surprise
2016-11-10T16:53:02 < Laurenceb_> first mistake: using copypasta embedded linux that doesnt boot half the time
2016-11-10T16:53:49 < Laurenceb_> so annoying when the lens/sensor/dsp is so high quality
2016-11-10T16:54:11 < Laurenceb_> but thats all the parts they outsourced to competent people
2016-11-10T16:57:19 <@englishman> do you have a link to japs
2016-11-10T16:58:08 < zyp> karlp, yeah, I were gonna mention that
2016-11-10T16:58:19 < zyp> could just have one altsetting for main flash and one for spi flash
2016-11-10T16:58:30 < dongs> wont need to DFU main flash
2016-11-10T16:58:40 < dongs> 'bootloader' will be the only app running anyway.
2016-11-10T16:59:23 < zyp> how does programming jig hook up? directly to the SPI lines?
2016-11-10T16:59:38 < dongs> yeah, 3 boards in array and pogo pins to flash below
2016-11-10T16:59:50 < dongs> hopefully i will be able to gang-flash 3 at once just like i can STM over serial
2016-11-10T17:00:21 < dongs> there's spi pads on the target boad.
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2016-11-10T17:20:41 < jadew> Laurenceb, that must suck, how much is that thing?
2016-11-10T17:21:17 < dongs> try:: clicking teh article
2016-11-10T17:21:41 < jadew> ah, 800, didn't read that because they embeded shit in the middle of the article
2016-11-10T17:21:45 < jadew> and I assumed it's done
2016-11-10T17:22:48 < jadew> so they recalled 2 million worth of drones
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2016-11-10T17:32:23 < dongs> eh
2016-11-10T17:32:30 < dongs> zyp, wehre the fuck is DFU shit described? sectors+size
2016-11-10T17:32:34 < dongs> is that the shitty textstring??
2016-11-10T17:32:49 < dongs> DFU string interface or someshit
2016-11-10T17:34:57 < zyp> huh?
2016-11-10T17:35:35 < dongs> ST's shit has address + sector count and shit
2016-11-10T17:35:50 < zyp> idk, that shit is nonstandard
2016-11-10T17:35:53 < dongs>     // Interface 0: "@Internal Flash   /0x08000000/48*256 a,464*256 g"
2016-11-10T17:36:08 < zyp> that's altsettings
2016-11-10T17:36:25 < dongs> whats the a / g difference?
2016-11-10T17:36:44 < dongs> bootloader/userspace?
2016-11-10T17:36:51 < zyp> plain DFU doesn't care about all that shit, plain DFU doesn't have addrs
2016-11-10T17:37:06 < dongs> well, im not writing a DFU flashing GUI
2016-11-10T17:37:12 < dongs> so i'd rather jsut use "nonstandard ST stuff"
2016-11-10T17:37:38 < zyp> I haven't looked into that
2016-11-10T17:37:52 < dongs> so how does "standard" DFU work if it has no addreses?
2016-11-10T17:39:42 < zyp> DFU is designed as a simple transport for streaming firmware packages, they are streamed from start to end
2016-11-10T17:39:50 < zyp> so there's no «write this addr please»
2016-11-10T17:40:36 < dongs> fuckin.
2016-11-10T17:40:41 < dongs> DFUse demo is using 100% cpu
2016-11-10T17:40:51 < dongs> making 65535 entries in the listbox
2016-11-10T17:40:55 < dongs> for 256byte blocks of SPI flash
2016-11-10T17:41:06 < dongs> for a very long time now
2016-11-10T17:41:25 < zyp> on this edison shit I'm dicking around with, u-boot advertises each partition as a separate altsetting
2016-11-10T17:41:46 < zyp> and host just goes «here, write this image to rootfs partition»
2016-11-10T17:42:20 < karlp> you can write to magic addresses by using magic commands inside the "firmware" instead of in dfu itself.
2016-11-10T17:42:26 < zyp> yeah
2016-11-10T17:42:33 < karlp> this is how you end up with "dfu != dfu" though, so be careful
2016-11-10T17:42:45 < karlp> the class spec even mentions that you can do this though, so it's certainly common
2016-11-10T17:43:14 < zyp> I've considered making a bootloader that accepts an elf image, writing it to the right places as it is loaded
2016-11-10T17:43:18 < karlp> zyp: the edison's uboot is dfu gadget with alt settings? cute?
2016-11-10T17:43:40 < zyp> karlp, yeah, is that uncommon?
2016-11-10T17:43:55 < karlp> don't have enough devices with usb gadget capable port. :)
2016-11-10T17:44:01 < karlp> sounds nice though.
2016-11-10T17:44:21 < karlp> teh router type things I've got are normally either tftp client or tftp server style.
2016-11-10T17:44:42 < karlp> and for eval boards, the "usb" port is often just connected to a usb-serial to the console port
2016-11-10T17:44:57 < zyp> edison doesn't have ethernet, and I don't think I would want to tftp over wifi even if possible
2016-11-10T17:45:34 < karlp> meh, more reliable than you think ;)
2016-11-10T17:46:35 < zyp> but like I mentioned the other day, I've been wondering how to bootload it if I stick it on a board with a stm32 and a single usb port
2016-11-10T17:47:02 < zyp> I'm already planning to hook up the serial console via the stm32
2016-11-10T17:47:28 < zyp> if I'm using a simple mux, switching to the edison for usb would kill the serial console
2016-11-10T17:48:07 < zyp> adding a hub chip seems kinda overkill for the boards that will not have the edison installed
2016-11-10T17:48:38 < zyp> but if the additional cost is negligible, that's probably the best solution
2016-11-10T17:49:10 < karlp> terminus-tech hubs are meant to be pretty cheap, and used everywhere
2016-11-10T17:49:18 < zyp> otherwise I could potentially bootload the edison through the stm32, but that's going to be much slower
2016-11-10T17:49:22 < karlp> depends what "cheap" means for you.
2016-11-10T17:49:34 < zyp> idk
2016-11-10T17:49:53 < zyp> board area might also be a concern, hard to tell until I've started designing
2016-11-10T17:50:33 < karlp> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-10pcs-new-original-SMD-SSOP-28-FE1-1S-USB2-0-HUB/32548391644.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.21.kRFZ2O&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10091_10090_10088_10089,searchweb201603_1&btsid=16ec9425-5bad-4f1a-9add-18f28929eeb2 is 38c each?
2016-11-10T17:50:54 < dongs> yeah, USB 2.0 FS probably
2016-11-10T17:50:57 < dongs> get GL850G
2016-11-10T17:51:05 < dongs> at least from a vendor that isnt garbage
2016-11-10T17:51:10 < zyp> how much is that?
2016-11-10T17:51:21 < dongs> same or cheaper
2016-11-10T17:51:33 < zyp> ok, cool, seems like the best approach then
2016-11-10T17:51:36 < dongs> GL850G	SSOP28	5	$0.47 
2016-11-10T17:51:40 < dongs> i got 5 for $0.47
2016-11-10T17:51:52 < karlp> that fe1.1s is HS too
2016-11-10T17:51:53 < dongs> but they're around 20-30 or osmeshit in a reel
2016-11-10T17:52:03 < dongs> yeah but who teh fuck knows what "FE' is
2016-11-10T17:52:08 < karlp> terminus-tech 
2016-11-10T17:52:09 < dongs> GL850 is used in like, PS3 and shit
2016-11-10T17:52:12 < karlp> http://terminus-tech.com/English/products.html
2016-11-10T17:52:23 < karlp> theyr'e both just cheap hub makes.
2016-11-10T17:52:32 < karlp> alcor probably has one too, if you can get them to talk to you
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2016-11-10T17:52:40 < dongs> ive used alcor hubs
2016-11-10T17:52:57 < dongs> they sold thousands, so yeah, they didnt mind talking.
2016-11-10T17:53:28 < karlp> that aliexpress seller I linked "win-win" has the gl850 for ~same price too if you'd prefer
2016-11-10T17:53:37 < karlp> they're both ssop28 or whatsit anyway
2016-11-10T17:53:38 < Kliment> Hehee, they're available from "shenzhen hexing technology"
2016-11-10T17:53:39 < dongs> ok so 3 minutes to read 2 megs of SPI over DFU (without acutalyl reading)
2016-11-10T17:53:50 < Kliment> Is that what modern witchcraft is like? :P
2016-11-10T17:53:53 < dongs> writing fails for seome reason
2016-11-10T17:54:02 < dongs> shenzhen haxing
2016-11-10T17:54:03 < zyp> that sounds super slow
2016-11-10T17:54:10 < dongs> zyp, i dont mind, it only needs to be done once
2016-11-10T17:58:05 < dongs> o crap, why am i wasting time, ST's official DFU sample already has SPI flash stuff with descriptors and shit setup
2016-11-10T18:06:33 < zyp> I see GL850G is available in both qfp48, qfn28 and ssop28, is there a significant difference in availability or price?
2016-11-10T18:07:06 < karlp> ssop28 will be way more common
2016-11-10T18:07:17 < karlp> only need the bigger ones for port power and port leds stuff
2016-11-10T18:08:08 < Kliment> Are those available from any decent distributors?
2016-11-10T18:08:09 < karlp> even just on ali, the qfn28 is ~twice the price of the ssop
2016-11-10T18:08:32 < zyp> yeah, I don't care about bigger, but smaller could be nice
2016-11-10T18:08:32 < dongs> only ssop is common
2016-11-10T18:08:39 < dongs> nobody uses qfn  or qfp48
2016-11-10T18:08:54 < karlp> you're still going to need crystals and shit for them
2016-11-10T18:12:14 < zyp> it needs 12MHz, so I could throw a 12MHz crystal on the STM32 and output HSE through MCO
2016-11-10T18:13:10 < zyp> apart from that it only seems to require decoupling and some resistor straps
2016-11-10T18:13:26 < zyp> oh, and a reference resistance
2016-11-10T18:13:52 < zyp> anyway, that should make BOM cost pretty negligible
2016-11-10T18:14:10 < zyp> dongs, how much is a 12MHz crystal anyway?
2016-11-10T18:16:55 < dongs> cheap?
2016-11-10T18:17:39 < zyp> I mean, relative to the hub chip
2016-11-10T18:18:14 < dongs> 10c @ 3k reel
2016-11-10T18:19:12 < zyp> probably not worth dicking around with MCO then
2016-11-10T18:24:42 < dongs> well, thats free right?
2016-11-10T18:24:51 < dongs> tho i guess you'll ahve no usb until you have mco output
2016-11-10T18:25:37 < zyp> hmm, well, I might reset the stm32 during bootloading and shit, resetting the whole hub might be dumb
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2016-11-10T18:26:57 < dongs> right
2016-11-10T18:32:32 < dongs> fuck i broke something in ST descriptors and now its fucking up
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2016-11-10T18:36:35 < dongs> hehe. stipid hard-coded decriptor lengths in ST code
2016-11-10T18:36:45 < dongs> about the only thing C++11 would be useful for
2016-11-10T18:40:34 < dongs> 25 seconds to write 1280kb
2016-11-10T18:40:46 < dongs> good enough. sleep t ime
2016-11-10T18:42:11 < aandrew> nice
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2016-11-10T18:52:54 < Laurenceb> jadew: gopro is like $400 last time I checked
2016-11-10T18:53:09 < Laurenceb> I paid about UKP400 for "hero 4 black" 
2016-11-10T18:53:19 < Laurenceb> only one that can do 240fps
2016-11-10T18:53:34 < Laurenceb> its crazy cheap for a 240fps camera, pity its virtually unusable
2016-11-10T18:54:19 <@englishman> why
2016-11-10T18:54:24 <@englishman> press button, it records
2016-11-10T18:54:26 <@englishman> 100% usable
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2016-11-10T18:54:30 < Laurenceb> lulwut
2016-11-10T18:54:30 < dongs> whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
2016-11-10T18:54:35 < dongs> Laurenceb: Yicamera2 does 240fps
2016-11-10T18:54:38 < dongs> and is like $240usd
2016-11-10T18:54:45 < Laurenceb> press button... it dies horribly
2016-11-10T18:54:48 < dongs> chinq clone that absolutely rapes gobro
2016-11-10T18:54:51 < dongs> nope
2016-11-10T18:54:53 < Laurenceb> nice
2016-11-10T18:54:58 <@englishman> gobro4lack is like 2 years old
2016-11-10T18:55:01 < Laurenceb> I was looking last year, nothing
2016-11-10T18:55:02 < dongs> yeah
2016-11-10T18:55:14 < Laurenceb> I need to get up to date it seems :D
2016-11-10T18:55:28 <@englishman> if yor shit is broken return it
2016-11-10T18:55:32 <@englishman> or put an sd card in it
2016-11-10T18:55:51 < Laurenceb> heh it was from random ebay seller
2016-11-10T18:56:00 <@englishman> -_-
2016-11-10T18:56:00 < Laurenceb> it works most of the time
2016-11-10T18:56:05 <@englishman> and you wonder why it doesnt fucking work
2016-11-10T18:56:09 < Laurenceb> but thats not good enough
2016-11-10T18:56:14 < Laurenceb> it needs to work 100%
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2016-11-10T18:56:27 < Laurenceb> oi
2016-11-10T18:57:15 <@englishman> tell us more about your problems with junk from ebay
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2016-11-10T18:57:41 < Laurenceb> apparently its a common issue with gopro
2016-11-10T18:57:51 < Laurenceb> their lunix fails to boot
2016-11-10T18:58:00 < Laurenceb> 720p 240fps <- nice
2016-11-10T18:58:05 <@englishman> never seen that
2016-11-10T18:58:08 <@englishman> and i have a 4 i think
2016-11-10T18:58:09 < Kliment> zyp: If you need a qfn-format hub I can almost-recommend one
2016-11-10T18:58:22 < Laurenceb> but is Yi camera scriptable
2016-11-10T18:58:34 <@englishman> no idea, dudes have written scripts for it tho
2016-11-10T18:58:42 < Laurenceb> oh sweet
2016-11-10T18:58:44 <@englishman> to dick with camera settings etc
2016-11-10T18:58:55 < Kliment> zyp: smsc2640/2641
2016-11-10T18:58:55 < Laurenceb> gopro has gpio breakout and is scriptable
2016-11-10T19:01:15 < Laurenceb> sweet http://www.tawbaware.com/xiaomiyi.htm
2016-11-10T19:01:35 < zyp> Kliment, why almost?
2016-11-10T19:01:48 < Kliment> zyp: expensive and underdocumented
2016-11-10T19:01:57 < Kliment> zyp: But works well
2016-11-10T19:02:11 < zyp> why would I want a memory card reader?
2016-11-10T19:02:11 < Kliment> zyp: There's a quirk with the ST bootloader if you use it though
2016-11-10T19:02:23 < Kliment> zyp: card reader is optional
2016-11-10T19:02:37 < Kliment> zyp: But the form factor is nice
2016-11-10T19:03:00 < Kliment> zyp: And it also works pretty well with buggy USB hosts
2016-11-10T19:03:16 < zyp> the portmap/swap thing seems kinda neat, but otherwise it seems kinda big and expensive for the purpose
2016-11-10T19:05:44 < Kliment> zyp: I used it in a product where the card reader was useful
2016-11-10T19:06:54 < zyp> yeah, it won't be for me
2016-11-10T19:07:09 < Kliment> zyp: I don't know of any good qfn ones
2016-11-10T19:07:21 < zyp> eh, doesn't matter
2016-11-10T19:07:31 < dongs> smsc has qfn hubs. but rly why bother
2016-11-10T19:08:02 < Kliment> dongs: Yeah, that is what I just pointed zyp to
2016-11-10T19:08:26 < zyp> qfn usually doesn't save much area since you can't route much under it
2016-11-10T19:08:54 < Kliment> dongs: I do have an issue with the super-cheap hubs not being available from normal distributors
2016-11-10T19:08:54 < zyp> whereas that ssop can probably have everything routed underneath
2016-11-10T19:08:59 < dongs> theres generally nothign to route under USB hubbs
2016-11-10T19:09:12 < dongs> they're just usb lanes going out , grounds and vcc to caps
2016-11-10T19:09:26 < dongs> and half the pins unused cuz you dont need gang/overcucrrent shit etc.
2016-11-10T19:09:31 < zyp> true
2016-11-10T19:09:32 < dongs> or port activity leds
2016-11-10T19:13:46 < Kliment> I've used the tssop f0s in single-layer boards
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2016-11-10T19:31:16 < karlp> Kliment: that smsc2640 proved to be rather annoying for us actually. we had to get uboot patches to make it work, and it's reset logic was.. under documented.
2016-11-10T19:31:39 < karlp> smsc still refuses to admit whether it can be configured by hub control reqs, 
2016-11-10T19:32:09 < karlp> (I bet it can though)
2016-11-10T19:32:34 < karlp> it's also got a config bit for "invert CD" with a default of inverting inverted shit
2016-11-10T19:32:37 < karlp> so tedious.
2016-11-10T19:32:47 < karlp> but yeah, we could buy it in smaller quanities
2016-11-10T19:33:02 < dongs> microchip has them now anyway.
2016-11-10T19:33:34 < karlp> was already microchip then too.
2016-11-10T19:34:12 < karlp> https://github.com/8devices/Caraboot/commit/5cd5e2f698dd61b6eb45ae34e28a69f5996ba807
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2016-11-10T19:52:43 < Kliment> karlp: That reset logic is great given the awful usb reset bug the carambola has
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2016-11-10T20:09:06 < aandrew> interesting
2016-11-10T20:09:08 < aandrew> never used that part before
2016-11-10T20:09:19 < aandrew> what were you using it in that you needed both FMC and USB hub ufnction?
2016-11-10T20:10:01 < zyp> stuff that's using a memory card for storage and also got host ports?
2016-11-10T20:10:14 < aandrew> thank you captain obvious
2016-11-10T20:10:40 < zyp> I mean, chip itself is designed for card reader/hub combos
2016-11-10T20:10:56 < aandrew> yeah
2016-11-10T20:11:00 < aandrew> that's kind of what I'm syaing
2016-11-10T20:11:11 < aandrew> seems like a high volume specific product kind of part
2016-11-10T20:11:45 < zyp> but from what's said, I assume it's some kind of embedded linux device that's using a memory card for rootfs or extra fs or something
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2016-11-10T20:12:01 < aandrew> it's have to be able to boot from USB to be able to use that kind of part then
2016-11-10T20:12:12 < zyp> kinda like how the rpi is using a hub/usb ethernet combo for it's onboard network port
2016-11-10T20:12:51 < zyp> not really, bootloader and bootfs can be on internal flash
2016-11-10T20:15:31 < aandrew> hm, yes, that is true
2016-11-10T20:15:33 < aandrew> good point zyp 
2016-11-10T20:16:29 < zyp> I bet this is some mips device with a 4MB internal flash or some shit like that
2016-11-10T20:23:30 < Tectu> Hey guys
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2016-11-10T20:32:10 < Steffanx> Hello mr. Tectu
2016-11-10T20:36:36 -!- mode/##stm32 [+o Tectu] by englishman
2016-11-10T20:36:46 <@Tectu> How are you, folks?
2016-11-10T20:38:00 < Steffanx> Better get better englishman
2016-11-10T20:38:58 < jadew> I felw a drone for the first time
2016-11-10T20:39:17 -!- mode/##stm32 [+ooo karlp zyp jpa-] by englishman
2016-11-10T20:39:17 < Steffanx> Dont call it a drone please.
2016-11-10T20:39:23 <@englishman> nördic superiority
2016-11-10T20:39:23 < jadew> yes
2016-11-10T20:39:25 < Steffanx> Such hyped name.
2016-11-10T20:39:26 < jadew> quadcopter
2016-11-10T20:39:32 <@englishman> why, its a drone
2016-11-10T20:39:45 < jadew> I guess a drone is more autonomous, no?
2016-11-10T20:39:49 <@englishman> what kind of drone
2016-11-10T20:40:11 < jadew> cheap one, my wife went to buy some toys for my son and they came back with a drone
2016-11-10T20:40:23 < jadew> like this one, but without the camera: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y93vzA-KRlM
2016-11-10T20:40:23 <@englishman> cool
2016-11-10T20:40:26 <@englishman> those are fun
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2016-11-10T20:41:36 < Steffanx> It no longer worked anyway.
2016-11-10T20:42:04 < Kliment> aandrew: It was a pair of USB devices and their drivers and control software were stored on a read-only SD card
2016-11-10T20:42:42 < bertrik> hi Tectu
2016-11-10T20:42:58 < Tectu> Hi bertrik 
2016-11-10T20:43:04 < jadew> englishman, it seems nice, but couldn't make it stay still
2016-11-10T20:43:10 < englishman> takes practice
2016-11-10T20:43:23 < jadew> almost lost it at one point
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2016-11-10T20:54:44 < PaulFertser> jadew: try a CP heli, you'll be very surprised ;)
2016-11-10T20:59:17 < jadew> I'll have to play with this a bit more
2016-11-10T20:59:27 < jadew> maybe if I have some free time I'll try to make it a bit more stable
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2016-11-10T21:00:08 < jadew> it has some compensation controlls, but they were at the max setting and it was still drifting
2016-11-10T21:02:29 < PaulFertser> jadew: do you place it on a level surface right after powering on so it could calibrate properly?
2016-11-10T21:02:47 < jadew> PaulFertser, yeah, I turned it on while on a plane surface
2016-11-10T21:03:15 < PaulFertser> jadew: probably one of the motors is not as efficient as the others then. If you say trimming doesn't help.
2016-11-10T21:04:01 < jadew> I also noticed that when it starts lifting it lifts up at an angle
2016-11-10T21:04:06 < jadew> then it stabilizes
2016-11-10T21:04:21 < jadew> or maybe it stays like that?
2016-11-10T21:05:14 < PaulFertser> jadew: hovering near a surface is special due to ground effect, just disregard it, pay attention to what happens when it's up in the air (without wind).
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2016-11-10T21:45:19 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=086_1478801593
2016-11-10T21:45:58 < kakimir> mock ruby
2016-11-10T21:46:12 < kakimir> I need ruby mocking memes
2016-11-10T21:52:40 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/search?src=typd&q=literally%20shaking
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2016-11-10T22:18:06 < upgrdman> i need a fuck ton (~40) n-channel mosfets. seems like its cheaper to use individual ones instead of an "IC" with 4 or so... realy?
2016-11-10T22:18:22 < upgrdman> like 1 nmos = $0.12, but a 4nmos chip is like $0.80
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2016-11-10T22:54:03 < jadew> ok, I figured out why the light in my room didn't feel quite right regardless of which LED light bulb I tried
2016-11-10T22:54:34 < jadew> the halogen ones I had before were rated for 1980 lumen, while the LEDs were putting out at most 600
2016-11-10T22:56:05 < jadew> and I can't find any LED bulb that's not oversized and with similar output
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2016-11-10T22:56:32 < jadew> (and costs a lot)
2016-11-10T22:58:50 < jadew> hmm, looks like you'd still recover the price of electricity in about a month, if you kept it on the entire time
2016-11-10T22:59:52 < Steffanx> Good old 60-100W light bulbs <3
2016-11-10T23:00:15 < jadew> yeah, it seems like LEDs have a lot of catching up to do
2016-11-10T23:00:23 < jadew> for one, the colors usually suck
2016-11-10T23:00:53 < jadew> not entirely sure how that works, but the same bulb looks better in any other room in the house, but sucks in mine
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2016-11-10T23:05:37 < BrainDamage> the reason why they look worse is that because halogens have literally the best colour rendition we have
2016-11-10T23:06:12 < BrainDamage> halogens are incandescent wth an halogen gas that does a sublimation condensation balance and allows hotter temps for the filamen
2016-11-10T23:06:16 < jadew> that would explain it
2016-11-10T23:06:41 < jadew> I put the halogen one back in
2016-11-10T23:06:50 < BrainDamage> so they use again the same mechanism as the sun ( black body radiation ), but at hotter temps than simple incandescent
2016-11-10T23:06:54 < jadew> I guess I'll have to visit Ikea over the weekend
2016-11-10T23:06:56 < BrainDamage> and closer to the sun's
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2016-11-10T23:59:13 < jadew> https://i.imgur.com/iLQ5k4i.gifv
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2016-11-11T00:05:52 < jadew> haha, no
2016-11-11T00:06:02 < jadew> I didn't see ep. 2 yet
2016-11-11T00:06:08 < jadew> I was disapointed that they didn't have sex
2016-11-11T00:06:37 < jadew> (and it doesn't look like it will happen)
2016-11-11T00:07:02 < ohsix> i'm making the coolest printing legend for abs ever
2016-11-11T00:07:26 < ohsix> what's it called when you make a work piece to show what the tooling/machine can do? there's a term of art for it in manufacturing but ican't remember it
2016-11-11T00:07:47 < jadew> a sample?
2016-11-11T00:07:49 < ohsix> had to attach to file solvespace bug :>
2016-11-11T00:07:49 < jadew> matrice?
2016-11-11T00:08:09 < englishman> how much are led bulbs there jadew, they are as low as $1 here for 40/60w equiv
2016-11-11T00:08:23 < ohsix> maybe it is just sample
2016-11-11T00:08:23 < englishman> up to $6-7 for 100w equiv (1500 lumen)
2016-11-11T00:08:23 < jadew> englishman, cheapest I found were $3
2016-11-11T00:08:26 < jadew> but they sucked
2016-11-11T00:08:27 < ohsix> if it were paint it'd be a swatch
2016-11-11T00:08:30 < jadew> green light
2016-11-11T00:08:52 < jadew> the ikea ones are the best I've got so far
2016-11-11T00:09:01 < jadew> at ~ $10
2016-11-11T00:09:11 < jadew> for 600 lumen
2016-11-11T00:09:37 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/SNUz0Da.png im pro industrial designer
2016-11-11T00:09:57 < ohsix> going to have the 1mm-4mm holes in an array so you can see how ragged they are when they're that small
2016-11-11T00:10:07 < ohsix> bbl
2016-11-11T00:10:51 < jadew> ohsix, I think that's the reason in technical drawing we learn to draw by typing coordinates, not via mouse :P
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2016-11-11T00:19:31 < jadew> Man builds 'Scarlett Johansson' robot from scratch to 'fulfil childhood dream': http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/man-builds-scarlet-johansson-robot-7667715
2016-11-11T00:19:35 < Kliment> I have really good 860lm lights that cost 2 and a half euros
2016-11-11T00:28:38 < KreAture_Zzz> https://g-search1.alicdn.com/bao/uploaded/i4/TB1h9ywJpXXXXczXpXXXXXXXXXX_!!2-item_pic.png
2016-11-11T00:28:40 < KreAture_Zzz> This is just cute
2016-11-11T00:28:49 < KreAture_Zzz> it's the stm32f401 in wlcsp package
2016-11-11T00:29:20 < KreAture_Zzz> 3x3mm :)
2016-11-11T00:29:34 < KreAture_Zzz> It's 0.4mm pitch though, not really cheap for diy pcb order
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2016-11-11T00:45:37 < karlp> Kliment: which usb reset bug are you referring to on carambola? there's a fairly notorious usb fs ar9331 bug, but that's fixed now these days, some wifi reg writes were fucking things up.
2016-11-11T00:46:25 < karlp> aandrew: yeah, what zyp said.  boot and core functionality from onboard flash, user sticks in a uSD card and gets extended data storage and.... things we havent' decided yet?
2016-11-11T00:46:46 < Kliment> karlp: Good to hear they fixed it
2016-11-11T00:47:45 < Kliment> karlp: That hub was a good workaround for it
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2016-11-11T00:59:45 < zyp> oshpark got pretty bad via specs, at least last I checked
2016-11-11T00:59:48 < zyp> so that's no wonder
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2016-11-11T01:01:45 < zyp> wasn't it like 26/13 or some shit?
2016-11-11T01:02:35 < zyp> oh, no
2016-11-11T01:02:39 < zyp> so 18/10
2016-11-11T01:02:42 < zyp> that's way better
2016-11-11T01:02:45 < zyp> than it used to be
2016-11-11T01:03:04 < zyp> 2L is still 27/13
2016-11-11T01:04:15 < zyp> wouldn't additional balls just be floating?
2016-11-11T01:05:03 < zyp> I toyed with the idea of making some stm32 wlcsp breakout by just routing through the outer pads
2016-11-11T01:05:14 < zyp> I mean electrically floating
2016-11-11T01:05:48 < zyp> read what I'm writing please
2016-11-11T01:07:21 < zyp> I'm talking about connecting to floating balls
2016-11-11T01:07:46 < zyp> to the signal that's routed through the pad
2016-11-11T01:08:25 < zyp> can you please use your head and figure out what I mean?
2016-11-11T01:09:33 < zyp> no, you're talking about something completely different
2016-11-11T01:11:24 < KreAture_Zzz> LeelooMinai yeh I wish it was 0.5 then it is almost barable
2016-11-11T01:12:42 < zyp> LeelooMinai, okay, imagine now that you routed your board like you did, but you didn't depopulate any balls, and you still had a full footprint with pads and soldermask apertures for all balls
2016-11-11T01:13:05 < zyp> then the signals would pass through and connect to additional balls on the way out
2016-11-11T01:13:10 < zyp> that's what I'm talking about
2016-11-11T01:13:34 < zyp> and with most balls being floating inputs by default, that's not necessarily a problem
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2016-11-11T01:15:30 < zyp> I didn't suggest you should do that, I said I toyed with the idea of doing it on a stm32
2016-11-11T01:15:51 < zyp> footprint/pinout suggested it would be possible, depending on which gpios you needed
2016-11-11T01:22:15 < zyp> yeah, of course it's bad to connect signals to inputs, they aren't designed for that
2016-11-11T01:23:43 < stvn> the dirty matsushita
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2016-11-11T01:45:22 < stvn> pumping
2016-11-11T01:47:18 < englishman> hi crt
2016-11-11T01:47:42 < stvn> was about to ask where you were
2016-11-11T01:47:48 < englishman> on irc
2016-11-11T01:47:59 < stvn> yah, how is the rig going?
2016-11-11T01:48:11 < englishman> good, i'm learning
2016-11-11T01:48:29 < englishman> moving up to 0.4mm pitch
2016-11-11T01:48:49 < stvn> nice
2016-11-11T01:49:19 < englishman> stoned on cough syrup for 2 days now
2016-11-11T01:49:36 < stvn> yeh i got some annoying cold
2016-11-11T01:49:44 < stvn> maybe its the bird flu
2016-11-11T01:54:37 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzDOqi2Pkp0
2016-11-11T01:55:12 < jadew> this stuff is great
2016-11-11T01:57:37 < jadew> didn't know they finally came up with robots that can do some damage to one another
2016-11-11T01:58:11 < jadew> LeelooMinai, hah, nice
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2016-11-11T02:00:45 < stvn> and then everyone got their dicks out
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2016-11-11T02:09:16 < KreAture_Zzz> !seen dongs
2016-11-11T02:09:25 < KreAture_Zzz> dongs?
2016-11-11T02:09:35 < KreAture_Zzz> where are the bots when you need em
2016-11-11T02:14:51 < stvn> !ding
2016-11-11T02:14:56 < stvn> didn't work
2016-11-11T02:15:42 < stvn> wut
2016-11-11T02:17:21 < stvn> mr d. is off innovating
2016-11-11T02:19:00 < stvn> yeah you see the thing about hiring slaves is if you beat them too hard, they die. :(
2016-11-11T02:20:15 < stvn> what are you currently STM32ing LeelooMinai 
2016-11-11T02:20:56 < jadew> haha
2016-11-11T02:21:14 < stvn> hmmmm.... what will you do then?
2016-11-11T02:21:18 < jadew> so you finally gave up on freertos
2016-11-11T02:21:49 < stvn> will  you perhaps.. sell your work?
2016-11-11T02:22:13 < stvn> okay
2016-11-11T02:22:25 < stvn> hobby stuff, or something you may market?
2016-11-11T02:22:32 < stvn> cool
2016-11-11T02:23:26 < stvn> i might work on a shopfront LED dot matrix display....
2016-11-11T02:23:52 < stvn> has to occasionally flash some horribly inappropriate material imo
2016-11-11T02:24:40 < jadew> nice
2016-11-11T02:27:01 < jadew> yeah, I do that too
2016-11-11T02:27:09 < jadew> I can't function otherwise
2016-11-11T02:27:40 < jadew> in fact, I'm working on something now and I find it hard to concentrate on the task at hand because I want to do something else
2016-11-11T02:29:54 < jadew> yeah, this is something I really have to work on and I decided to work on it during the working days and do everything extra over the weekend, but it's hard
2016-11-11T02:30:12 < jadew> I didn't do anything today because I seem to be paralized by the desire to work on something else that came to me yesterday
2016-11-11T02:30:44 < jadew> and I can't work on that either, because it's not the weekend and I'd feel bad about breaking this little arrangment
2016-11-11T02:31:02 < jadew> so I'm watching robots fighting
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2016-11-11T02:33:44 < stvn> downloading is bad for your internet
2016-11-11T02:34:57 < Laurenceb_> http://grrrgraphics.com/uploads/7/4/7/3/74734153/trump-president-ben-garrison_orig.jpg
2016-11-11T02:35:44 < Laurenceb_> intel
2016-11-11T02:35:47 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2016-11-11T02:35:54 < Laurenceb_> oh that sort of intel
2016-11-11T02:36:08 < Laurenceb_> I was picturing a giant processor
2016-11-11T02:37:42 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/n/res/477880.html
2016-11-11T02:37:57 < Laurenceb_> bumping for real news
2016-11-11T02:38:33 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/n/res/476136.html
2016-11-11T02:39:00 < Laurenceb_> oh my god
2016-11-11T02:39:02 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/krillcen/index.html
2016-11-11T02:39:28 < Laurenceb_> D&C lies attempt to pit us against each other 
2016-11-11T02:39:33 < Laurenceb_> Remember we are all crustaceans!
2016-11-11T02:40:06 < Laurenceb_> this is some top teir bantz
2016-11-11T02:45:49 < stvn> nice job Laurenceb_ 
2016-11-11T02:46:23 < Laurenceb_> the Christmas island crab race rant is epin
2016-11-11T02:47:03 < Laurenceb_> Christmas island crap pride world wide, race war now, gas the coconut craps
2016-11-11T02:47:23 < stvn> yeah
2016-11-11T02:47:37 < stvn> you pumpin?
2016-11-11T02:47:51 < Laurenceb_> furiously
2016-11-11T02:51:52 < stvn> i'm missing my screwdrivers
2016-11-11T02:52:25 < stvn> https://www.kincrome.com.au/images/ProductImages/K5015.jpg
2016-11-11T02:52:30 < stvn> have you seen them around Laurenceb_ ?
2016-11-11T02:53:03 < Laurenceb_> yeah they arrived earlier direct by icbm
2016-11-11T02:53:27 < Laurenceb_> maybe they were stolen by a crab?
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2016-11-11T03:04:55 < stvn> yeah
2016-11-11T03:05:07 < jadew> aandrew, up for some worms?
2016-11-11T03:08:02 < KreAture_Zzz> stvn I think my project is the most pointless/fun though
2016-11-11T03:08:20 < KreAture_Zzz> stvn I've done a sdram interface for stm32f103
2016-11-11T03:08:27 < KreAture_Zzz> The 48 pin one
2016-11-11T03:09:46 < KreAture_Zzz> I got tonns of free pins as well
2016-11-11T03:09:55 < KreAture_Zzz> PA9,10,11 and 12
2016-11-11T03:09:56 < KreAture_Zzz> lol
2016-11-11T03:10:24 < KreAture_Zzz> I can move A11 from PA8 as well if you only need 4 Mbyte space
2016-11-11T03:10:58 < KreAture_Zzz> depending on what timer one uses one can have clock output on PA15 or 8,9,10 etc
2016-11-11T03:11:11 < KreAture_Zzz> That actually makes it a bit flexible vs what other peripherals one may need to use
2016-11-11T03:11:12 < KreAture_Zzz> :)
2016-11-11T03:12:46 < upgrdman> KreAture_Zzz, how? dma to gpio?
2016-11-11T03:12:54 < KreAture_Zzz> yes
2016-11-11T03:13:06 < KreAture_Zzz> I can do 4 MHz sdram clock
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2016-11-11T03:13:24 < KreAture_Zzz> The dma is really not very good in the stm32
2016-11-11T03:13:29 < KreAture_Zzz> err stm32f103
2016-11-11T03:13:47 < upgrdman> never dicked with f1. what sux about its dma?
2016-11-11T03:14:00 < upgrdman> the f0 dma is kinda basic tho, so ya
2016-11-11T03:14:26 < stvn> KreAture_Zzz, as long as you have fun :D
2016-11-11T03:14:46 < KreAture_Zzz> stvn yeah and I got to know the request lines of the dma much better
2016-11-11T03:15:10 < KreAture_Zzz> upgrdman well I was under the impression that if I did NOTHING else I should get better throughput
2016-11-11T03:15:50 < upgrdman> dma slows down if you use the cpu?
2016-11-11T03:15:57 < upgrdman> so bus congestion?
2016-11-11T03:16:00 < KreAture_Zzz> well, that depends
2016-11-11T03:16:05 < KreAture_Zzz> if the cpu needs to fetch code then yes
2016-11-11T03:16:19 < KreAture_Zzz> access other memory yes
2016-11-11T03:16:32 < KreAture_Zzz> Infact it may even slow it down to poll if dma is done
2016-11-11T03:16:44 < KreAture_Zzz> I've been looking into ways of avoiding that though
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2016-11-11T03:17:17 < KreAture_Zzz> still, at 72 MHz clock I was expecting maybe 12-18 M transfers/sec
2016-11-11T03:17:43 < KreAture_Zzz> but I can at most eek out 6.5-7.2 if I run it in mem2mem mode and sit quetly waiting
2016-11-11T03:17:46 < KreAture_Zzz> quietly
2016-11-11T03:18:06 < upgrdman> quietly == wfi?
2016-11-11T03:18:07 < KreAture_Zzz> if it is triggered by a timer you waste another clock cycle so it goes down to 6.5
2016-11-11T03:18:18 < KreAture_Zzz> upgrdman will be testing wfe tomorrow
2016-11-11T03:18:26 < KreAture_Zzz> see if that is better than looping
2016-11-11T03:18:57 < upgrdman> does f1 has icache? dont think so, so spinwaiting could be thrashing the bus?
2016-11-11T03:19:08 < KreAture_Zzz> unless it asks for status of dma
2016-11-11T03:19:12 < KreAture_Zzz> which is volatile
2016-11-11T03:19:30 < KreAture_Zzz> I tried running it from the TIM1 as it is on the 72 MHz bus, while TIM2 that I tried before is on the 36 MHz one
2016-11-11T03:19:35 < KreAture_Zzz> didn't change anything
2016-11-11T03:20:27 < KreAture_Zzz> I think if I interrupt drive the transfers and make em queue up work, and not wait for it we should be better off
2016-11-11T03:20:50 < KreAture_Zzz> still, I will be porting the code to the f2 and the f4 later and seeing how that performs
2016-11-11T03:20:54 < jadew> http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/11/stock-market-trump/507299/
2016-11-11T03:20:57 < upgrdman> maybe overcock your f1. my f0's always tolerate a 48 -> 64 MHz overcock. (33% moar Hz)
2016-11-11T03:21:01 < KreAture_Zzz> with higher main clock it should do a bit better
2016-11-11T03:21:07 < KreAture_Zzz> nice
2016-11-11T03:21:13 < KreAture_Zzz> Yeah that's a definate try
2016-11-11T03:21:31 < KreAture_Zzz> especially when temps will be within 15-25c always
2016-11-11T03:21:44 < KreAture_Zzz> The clock spec on the stm's have a wide range it has to work for
2016-11-11T03:22:38 < KreAture_Zzz> -40 to +85c
2016-11-11T03:22:39 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2016-11-11T03:23:02 < KreAture_Zzz> for the simplest one
2016-11-11T03:25:05 < KreAture_Zzz> soneone told me that if you get into trouble on the pll_mul overclocking see if increasing the APB1 divider helps
2016-11-11T03:25:15 < KreAture_Zzz> It is often the peripherals that choke
2016-11-11T03:26:29 < upgrdman> i've been lucky that on the f051 seems like all periphs i've tried will tolerate 64MHz. spi,i2c,adc,uart
2016-11-11T03:26:35 < upgrdman> and timers of course
2016-11-11T03:26:54 < KreAture_Zzz> But how is the bus clock domain ?
2016-11-11T03:26:59 < KreAture_Zzz> is it not master/2 ?
2016-11-11T03:27:24 < upgrdman> i'd have to look at the cock tree, but iirc, the divider defualt to /1 so everythings at cpuclock
2016-11-11T03:27:40 < stvn> the cuck tree
2016-11-11T03:27:41 < KreAture_Zzz> apb1 on f103 is limited to max 36 MHz it sais
2016-11-11T03:27:57 < upgrdman> since the official max clock is 48MHz im guessing they just made all periphs handle up to 48mhz
2016-11-11T03:28:04 < KreAture_Zzz> nice
2016-11-11T03:28:15 < KreAture_Zzz> actually better than the f103 then
2016-11-11T03:28:25 < upgrdman> f1 is oldest stm32 iirc
2016-11-11T03:28:35 < upgrdman> but ya, its cheap and ~everywhere
2016-11-11T03:28:42 < KreAture_Zzz> on f103 only the timers on apb1 get to have 72 MHz as clock input even though they live on a 36 MHz bus
2016-11-11T03:28:54 < stvn> the cuck tree
2016-11-11T03:28:57 < KreAture_Zzz> :p
2016-11-11T03:29:10 < KreAture_Zzz> I got a tray of f030's here :)
2016-11-11T03:29:12 < upgrdman> tempted to buy an f072disco and play with usb on it. but i've been too lazy recently :/
2016-11-11T03:29:17 < KreAture_Zzz> They will get a nice home soon
2016-11-11T03:29:24 < KreAture_Zzz> lidar processors if I can get it to work
2016-11-11T03:29:25 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2016-11-11T03:29:27 < stvn> how many PIECES
2016-11-11T03:29:43 < upgrdman> brb
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2016-11-11T03:29:51 < stvn> ok
2016-11-11T03:30:04 < KreAture_Zzz> 50pcs for $32 hehe
2016-11-11T03:30:15 < stvn> muh pieces
2016-11-11T03:30:16 < KreAture_Zzz> btw guys if ya are gonna order from aliexpress, today is the sale
2016-11-11T03:30:24 < stvn> cool
2016-11-11T03:30:29 < KreAture_Zzz> bluepills down to $1.5
2016-11-11T03:30:54 < KreAture_Zzz> My sdram code uses 5k space btw
2016-11-11T03:31:02 < KreAture_Zzz> it is very compact
2016-11-11T03:31:14 < KreAture_Zzz> It does use 1.1 k memory though
2016-11-11T03:31:19 < KreAture_Zzz> ram
2016-11-11T03:31:33 < stvn> your lines are compact too
2016-11-11T03:31:35 < KreAture_Zzz> But it gives access to 4-8 Mbytes in 512 byte pages
2016-11-11T03:31:54 < KreAture_Zzz> stvn sorry bout that I tend to press enter before I am done, you know thinking lag
2016-11-11T03:32:10 < stvn> :P
2016-11-11T03:32:29 < KreAture_Zzz> It also helps those chatting on cellphones as the windows are narrow and tall
2016-11-11T03:32:31 < KreAture_Zzz> :p
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2016-11-11T03:39:17 < KreAture_Zzz> I am wondering trying the stm32f765VGT6
2016-11-11T03:39:29 < KreAture_Zzz> That'd give me almost enough ram onboard to not need anything external
2016-11-11T03:39:30 < KreAture_Zzz> :)
2016-11-11T03:39:36 < KreAture_Zzz> $19+ so not supercheap
2016-11-11T03:39:40 < KreAture_Zzz> kills my budget
2016-11-11T03:39:42 < KreAture_Zzz> but would be fun
2016-11-11T03:40:40 < zyp> fdt
2016-11-11T03:40:46 < zyp> sorry, wrong window
2016-11-11T03:41:05 < dongs> did KreAture_Zzz tweet any pics yet
2016-11-11T03:41:29 < KreAture_Zzz> dongs !
2016-11-11T03:41:43  * KreAture_Zzz doesn't tweet
2016-11-11T03:41:49 < KreAture_Zzz> I say a lot of shit but I never tweet
2016-11-11T03:41:50 < KreAture_Zzz> :p
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2016-11-11T03:44:31 < stvn> tweeting 
2016-11-11T03:45:06 < stvn> hastag stmdirtyjew
2016-11-11T03:45:11 < stvn> *hash
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2016-11-11T03:46:42 < stvn> i'm waiting on a delivery
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2016-11-11T04:07:50 < dongs> https://i.redd.it/9k9lahuncuwx.jpg attn LeelooMinai 
2016-11-11T04:08:10 < stvn> ty dongs 
2016-11-11T04:08:58 < stvn> after the great purging of faggots will you return home dongs ?
2016-11-11T04:13:34 < stvn> yeah i want to see the world burn
2016-11-11T04:14:12 < stvn> then maybe one day the cats will take over
2016-11-11T04:15:01 < stvn> why not deport crooks and replace them with immigants
2016-11-11T04:23:02 < stvn> vote crt
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2016-11-11T04:23:58 < stvn> hi r2
2016-11-11T04:26:00 < stvn> this is what dreams are made of man
2016-11-11T04:27:49 < stvn> make america great again
2016-11-11T04:28:38 < jadew> were there any TV apparences aside from the meeting with obama?
2016-11-11T04:29:17 < stvn> trump+putin mate
2016-11-11T04:30:14 < stvn> that'd be great though
2016-11-11T04:30:22 < stvn> maybe they can strange the bullshit media
2016-11-11T04:31:08 < stvn> unite our superior white races, nuke the gooks
2016-11-11T04:31:22 < stvn> yeah
2016-11-11T04:31:31 < stvn> i'm as white as the kkk
2016-11-11T04:31:54 < stvn> nah i was there when they got here
2016-11-11T04:32:07 < stvn> wanna go abo-shootin boys?
2016-11-11T04:32:18 < stvn> i was there man
2016-11-11T04:32:46 < stvn> we ran out of bullets is all
2016-11-11T04:33:56 < stvn> i want to donate for the purpose
2016-11-11T04:34:23 < stvn> they want to castrate pedophiles so why not faggots
2016-11-11T04:35:12 < stvn> same thing yea?
2016-11-11T04:37:24 < stvn> ah cool
2016-11-11T04:41:27 < aandrew> hm, I might be buying a 2U 4 blade server for like $250
2016-11-11T04:42:11 < aandrew> each blade has 2xL5520s and 48G of RAM (upgradeable to 96), and 12 3.5" bays (no drives)
2016-11-11T04:42:27 < aandrew> the chassis has the 12 bays, not each blade
2016-11-11T04:43:52 < dongs> what are you gonna do with that
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2016-11-11T04:44:30 < dongs> talking with autismandrew who you have on ignore
2016-11-11T04:44:32 < aandrew> dongs: I have a contract with AMD to do a shitload of driver builds
2016-11-11T04:44:36 < dongs> ah
2016-11-11T04:44:53 < aandrew> but only one blade would really need that, another blade would replace my media box/home server
2016-11-11T04:45:00 < aandrew> the other two would be spares
2016-11-11T04:45:07 < aandrew> I don't have R2COM on ignore
2016-11-11T04:45:17 < aandrew> oh he has me on ignore
2016-11-11T04:45:19 < dongs> ya
2016-11-11T04:45:33 < aandrew> that's unfortunate, I'm one of the more charismatic fuckers on here
2016-11-11T04:45:33 < dongs> i donno ignore is pretty severe
2016-11-11T04:45:37 < aandrew> and that's kind of scary
2016-11-11T04:45:46 < dongs> i only invoke it in absolutely needed situations
2016-11-11T04:45:57 < dongs> like when its impacting my irc productivity
2016-11-11T04:45:58 < aandrew> yep in 25 years of IRC I think I've /ignored 3 or 4 people
2016-11-11T04:46:08 < aandrew> jesus
2016-11-11T04:46:10 < aandrew> 25 years of IRC
2016-11-11T04:46:14 < dongs> lol
2016-11-11T04:46:15 < aandrew> the shit I've seen...
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2016-11-11T04:46:46 < aandrew> what did that guy say... you know you've been on IRC for too long when you've seen that horse cock pic before
2016-11-11T04:51:04 < stvn> it'd be nice if these manufacturers started using plated through holes so i don't have to earn $400 a day for 30 minutes of work resoldering
2016-11-11T04:53:25 < stvn> none
2016-11-11T04:53:43 < stvn> already spent 15 years of my 30 doing those things lol
2016-11-11T04:54:51 < dongs> OK
2016-11-11T04:54:57 < dongs> looks liek flash is working lets try writing to it
2016-11-11T04:55:53 < dongs> ERASE PHASE
2016-11-11T04:57:47 < stvn> [.....                  ]
2016-11-11T05:00:51 < dongs> read is sloooooooooooow
2016-11-11T05:01:05 < dongs> 2.6megs in 2 minutes
2016-11-11T05:01:08 < dongs> gonna take a while
2016-11-11T05:02:21 < ohsix> jadew: yea i was just mashing on shit, should have done stuff in multiple layers and stuff
2016-11-11T05:07:31 < stvn> fucking skype
2016-11-11T05:08:34 < stvn> WHERES MY FUCKEN PEN
2016-11-11T05:08:41 < dongs> wtf still going
2016-11-11T05:08:48 < dongs> 10 minutes 71%
2016-11-11T05:11:42 < dongs> 93%
2016-11-11T05:12:29 < dongs> ST's dfusedemo is taking up 4% cpu on i7-6700
2016-11-11T05:13:47 < dongs> hmm weird
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2016-11-11T05:15:24 < stvn> DAC2469
2016-11-11T05:15:50 < dongs> http://www.ebay.com/itm/surely-scam/171911139085
2016-11-11T05:16:02 < jadew> lmfao, I'm watching the trump speach after the he was elected and he says something nice about hillary and that "we owe her a lot of gratitude" while at the same time making the 0 sign with his hands (masked as an OK)
2016-11-11T05:16:10 < stvn> my rrp is $11aud
2016-11-11T05:16:17 < jadew> *speech
2016-11-11T05:16:51 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFeq6zEu26k#t=1m08s
2016-11-11T05:18:57 < stvn> think i'm going to reject a warranty claim on this damage
2016-11-11T05:22:13 < ohsix> jadew: he's already got this shit nailed, that won't show up in transcripts
2016-11-11T05:22:32 < jadew> who's the kid next to him?
2016-11-11T05:22:40 < jadew> I think the poor guy is super tired
2016-11-11T05:23:31 < jadew> he's making an effort to stay awake
2016-11-11T05:24:55 < aandrew> oh god
2016-11-11T05:25:07 < aandrew> the zero sign, honestly?
2016-11-11T05:25:22 < aandrew> kid was like what, 12? it was 3am in NY
2016-11-11T05:25:33 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-11T05:25:59 < jadew> aandrew, it looks like he's making the same sign a couple more times in his speech so maybe it wasn't intended
2016-11-11T05:26:48 < englishman> jadew: protip
2016-11-11T05:27:01 < englishman> turn off american tv
2016-11-11T05:27:07 < englishman> it only makes you dumber
2016-11-11T05:27:11 < jadew> haha
2016-11-11T05:27:18 < stvn> lol
2016-11-11T05:27:21 < aandrew> that's not a untrue...
2016-11-11T05:27:36 < jadew> apparently he'll have an one hour interview tomorrow
2016-11-11T05:27:46 < aandrew> that will be better than a speech
2016-11-11T05:27:53 < aandrew> I want to see if he will stay on-script or what
2016-11-11T05:28:33 < aandrew> "Hillary Clinton began the 2016 campaign as the strongest non-incumbent front-runner in the history of modern politics."
2016-11-11T05:28:37 < aandrew> lol
2016-11-11T05:28:42 < aandrew> that's washington post for you
2016-11-11T05:29:09 < stvn> pistol grip penis pump
2016-11-11T05:29:28 < jadew> aandrew, the whole media seemed biased against Trump
2016-11-11T05:29:48 < stvn> pump for trump
2016-11-11T05:30:01 < jadew> I don't remember seeing anything positive about him
2016-11-11T05:30:44 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: that's untrue as well
2016-11-11T05:30:46 < jadew> LeelooMinai, well, something has to be, because a lot of people voted for him
2016-11-11T05:31:01 < aandrew> I think his stance on trade is in the right direction. globalization is a bad idea
2016-11-11T05:31:25 < aandrew> correcting immigration, even by simply enforcing the laws already on the books, is a good idea
2016-11-11T05:31:26 < jadew> it's a bad idea for developed countries
2016-11-11T05:31:41 < aandrew> (how you "fix" it though... that is going to be a royal mess no matter what)
2016-11-11T05:31:53 < stvn> leeloo the quickscoper
2016-11-11T05:31:58 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: actually polling numbers seem to indicate that the mess was created by liberals NOT going out to vote
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2016-11-11T05:32:28 < aandrew> trying to end the link between politicians and lobbyists is a FUCKING good idea
2016-11-11T05:32:39 < stvn> POLITICAL DEBATE
2016-11-11T05:32:41 < stvn> POLITICAL DEBATE
2016-11-11T05:32:54 < aandrew> the man is brash, opinionated and absolutely undiplomatic... these are problems
2016-11-11T05:33:07 < stvn> end all remarks with :)
2016-11-11T05:33:13 < stvn> :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) 
2016-11-11T05:33:14 < stvn> :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) 
2016-11-11T05:33:24 < jadew> LeelooMinai, don't know, I think much of the appeal was his strong conservative stance, which is probably seen as a cure for problems attributed to liberal policies
2016-11-11T05:33:29 < aandrew> I will be very interested to see how he proposes to solve some of these very tricky problems
2016-11-11T05:33:36 < aandrew> he does not come across as a man who thinks things through
2016-11-11T05:33:40 < jadew> I don't want to believe that people voted for him because they're racist or any of that crap
2016-11-11T05:33:50 < dongs>  < stvn> end all remarks with :)
2016-11-11T05:33:52 < aandrew> I absolutely don't believe that is why
2016-11-11T05:33:54 < dongs> yeah this is what pisses me off the most
2016-11-11T05:34:01 < dongs> hey guys, any STM32 news?
2016-11-11T05:34:11 < aandrew> I think that there ARE some people who vote a certain way because of racism
2016-11-11T05:34:14 < aandrew> but those exist in both parties
2016-11-11T05:34:27 < aandrew> hell just look at all the SJWs and "fuck white men" shit going down right now
2016-11-11T05:34:40 < jadew> aandrew, yeah
2016-11-11T05:34:41 < aandrew> you can bet your ass none of them are trump supporters
2016-11-11T05:34:43 < dongs>  < englishman> turn off american tv
2016-11-11T05:34:48 < dongs> totally true
2016-11-11T05:36:28 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kohsgr4kLdM
2016-11-11T05:36:43 < aandrew> I don't know
2016-11-11T05:36:54 < aandrew> People said a lot of the same things about Bush 
2016-11-11T05:37:02 < aandrew> truth is that that man was actually pretty fucking smart
2016-11-11T05:38:14 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: a LOT of dems called him stupid
2016-11-11T05:38:18 < aandrew> hell *I* called him stupid
2016-11-11T05:39:24 < upgrdman> some arduino girl asked me for help about why her code doesnt work: ...     double data = analogRead(A0)*(5.0/1024);
2016-11-11T05:39:24 < upgrdman>  if (data == 0xFC){ ... lolwut
2016-11-11T05:39:37 < upgrdman> comparing a double against 0xFC ...
2016-11-11T05:40:15 < stvn> bitch should have voted for trump
2016-11-11T05:40:43 < aandrew> oh god, floating point for no useful reason
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2016-11-11T05:40:54 < dongs> floating point on ~arduino~
2016-11-11T05:40:55 < dongs> thats the best part
2016-11-11T05:40:59 < upgrdman> mhmmm
2016-11-11T05:41:05 < upgrdman> double too
2016-11-11T05:41:12 < dongs> nah, avr is default floats.
2016-11-11T05:41:17 < upgrdman> need dat 64bits of resolution
2016-11-11T05:41:17 < jadew> yep, that adds ~5k to the binary
2016-11-11T05:41:17 < dongs> even without f
2016-11-11T05:41:21 < upgrdman> o ok
2016-11-11T05:41:48 < dongs> anyway, i think doubles on avr == float, not gonna waste my time looking it upo tho
2016-11-11T05:42:18 < dongs> sizeof(double) and (float) should be same
2016-11-11T05:42:42 < dongs> https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/avr-gcc#Deviations_from_the_Standard
2016-11-11T05:42:43 < dongs> yep
2016-11-11T05:43:49 < upgrdman> but avr has no fpu right? so is this float == double some gcc decision for some gay reason?
2016-11-11T05:44:11 < dongs> no gay reason, just the fact that there's no fuckign reason to ever need 64bit doubles on 8bit garbage
2016-11-11T05:44:45 < dongs> i think a float division on avr takes as many clock cycles as DigitalWrite() in arduino
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2016-11-11T05:47:41 < englishman> any recommendations for HDMI input/capture card/USB for desktop
2016-11-11T05:48:04 < zyp> what are you capturing?
2016-11-11T05:48:13 < englishman> HDMI from a dslr
2016-11-11T05:48:27 < dongs> blackmagic thing is probably most reliable, or you can get chinese knockoffs for < $100
2016-11-11T05:48:29 < zyp> last I checked, there were only a few that could do 1080p60
2016-11-11T05:48:30 < dongs> none will do HDCP tho
2016-11-11T05:48:39 < zyp> blackmagic won't
2016-11-11T05:48:42 < dongs> sure it will
2016-11-11T05:48:57 < dongs> intensity pro 4k does
2016-11-11T05:48:59 < englishman> I doubt DSLR has hdcp, I don't think anything I own does hdcp
2016-11-11T05:49:03 < dongs> it doesnt yeah
2016-11-11T05:49:25 < dongs> looks only 240bux for intensity pro 4k
2016-11-11T05:49:26 < englishman> what do I search for
2016-11-11T05:49:28 < dongs> that
2016-11-11T05:49:35 < dongs> https://www.amazon.com/Blackmagic-Design-Intensity-Capture-Playback/dp/B00U3QNP7Q
2016-11-11T05:49:36 < englishman> Cam is 1080 out
2016-11-11T05:49:38 < dongs> shit, even less on amazon
2016-11-11T05:49:50 < dongs> yeah but you get 1080p60 on it also
2016-11-11T05:50:21 < zyp> I thought he said PCI
2016-11-11T05:50:24 < zyp> eh, USB
2016-11-11T05:50:31 < dongs> oh USB
2016-11-11T05:50:37 < dongs> nope, forget it
2016-11-11T05:50:45 < zyp> the blackmagic usb thing won't do 1080p60
2016-11-11T05:51:24 < zyp> I borrowed some avermedia usb3 thing once that I think could though
2016-11-11T05:51:29 < englishman> Nvm it has 4k out
2016-11-11T05:51:36 < englishman> Internal or USB whatever
2016-11-11T05:51:38 < dongs> just get that pci card
2016-11-11T05:51:42 < dongs> intensity pro 4k
2016-11-11T05:51:48 < dongs> $190 is a steal for it
2016-11-11T05:51:50 < dongs> i thought it would be way more.
2016-11-11T05:51:51 < zyp> yeah, probably better than dicking around with usb
2016-11-11T05:51:52 < dongs> thier shit just workws
2016-11-11T05:51:58 < englishman> amadongs.com lu.ll.
2016-11-11T05:52:01 < dongs> y
2016-11-11T05:52:32 < englishman> https://www.amazon.ca/gp/aw/d/B00U3QNP7Q/
2016-11-11T05:52:33 < dongs> or you could waste time with chinese shit like RONGYUXUAN HDMI USB3 CAPTURE for $200
2016-11-11T05:52:36 < dongs> and have it not work
2016-11-11T05:52:55 < dongs> englishman: thats $189 USD
2016-11-11T05:53:00 < dongs> so where's the problem lol
2016-11-11T05:53:05 < dongs> exactly same price as I linked.
2016-11-11T05:53:06 < englishman> I'll look at that but amazon can suck my dick
2016-11-11T05:53:23 < dongs> do tehy consider canada international shipping
2016-11-11T05:53:27 < zyp> dongs, still can't do 2160p60 though :p
2016-11-11T05:53:37 < dongs> zyp, yeah er, well, . 
2016-11-11T05:53:39 < upgrdman> dongs, so is that nigmagic card an hdmi->h.264 encoder? or just dumps uncompress shit on the bus?
2016-11-11T05:53:43 < englishman> Ships from and sold by AVShopca
2016-11-11T05:53:46 < dongs> upgrdman: raw
2016-11-11T05:53:50 < englishman> ie, cheaper elsewhere
2016-11-11T05:53:51 < dongs> you could compress it to some intermediate shit
2016-11-11T05:53:54 < zyp> dongs, how does the outputs on those work?
2016-11-11T05:53:57 < englishman> 10:53 PM <dongs> do tehy consider canada international shipping
2016-11-11T05:53:59 < englishman> lulwat
2016-11-11T05:54:09 < zyp> what do they output?
2016-11-11T05:54:12 < dongs> zyp, outputs on what, intensity?
2016-11-11T05:54:12 < englishman> Does north Korea consider south Korea international?
2016-11-11T05:54:16 < zyp> yes
2016-11-11T05:54:25 < dongs> you can send your adobe premiere composite output etc on it
2016-11-11T05:54:31 < dongs> so you could monitor on a external screen
2016-11-11T05:54:33 < zyp> okay, cool
2016-11-11T05:55:15 < dongs> avshop.ca is pretty slow
2016-11-11T05:55:30 < englishman> www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1123881-REG/blackmagic_design_bintspro_4k_intensity_pro_4k.html
2016-11-11T05:55:31 < dongs> http://www.avshop.ca/clearance/blackmagic-design-intensity-pro-4k-open-box
2016-11-11T05:55:34 < dongs> openbawx
2016-11-11T05:55:35 < englishman> and freeship
2016-11-11T05:55:37 < dongs> 246$
2016-11-11T05:55:38 < englishman> fuck amadongs
2016-11-11T05:55:48 < englishman> and fuck canadians
2016-11-11T05:55:51 < dongs> jaja
2016-11-11T05:55:59 < englishman> I'll give Money to NYC Jews
2016-11-11T05:56:11 < dongs> watch out, or they'll close for some jewish holiday
2016-11-11T05:56:21 < englishman> they close Saturday
2016-11-11T05:56:22 < englishman> Online
2016-11-11T05:56:24 < englishman> No joke
2016-11-11T05:56:30 < dongs> yeah, i know
2016-11-11T05:56:44 < dongs> almost as awesome as jap banks closing online
2016-11-11T05:56:48 < dongs> in the evening
2016-11-11T05:59:40 < aandrew> dongs: what?!
2016-11-11T05:59:45 < aandrew> lol japs
2016-11-11T05:59:50 < englishman> so after i get this thing how do i capture with it
2016-11-11T05:59:57 < englishman> windows scan and fax?
2016-11-11T05:59:59 < aandrew> englishman: louis rossmann hates the black magic
2016-11-11T06:00:06 < aandrew> he bought some other card after unendign issues
2016-11-11T06:00:14 < zyp> jap banks seems so weirdly behind the times
2016-11-11T06:00:15 < englishman> link to ragevideo?
2016-11-11T06:00:30 < dongs> lol fuck off
2016-11-11T06:00:32 < dongs> rossman is a sellout
2016-11-11T06:00:53 < aandrew> heh howso
2016-11-11T06:01:00 < dongs> unending issues: he's a fucking faggot
2016-11-11T06:01:02 < dongs> thats the only issue
2016-11-11T06:02:21 < aandrew> hm?
2016-11-11T06:02:25 < aandrew> poor me?
2016-11-11T06:02:31 < aandrew> I mean ok I'm broke but you don't know that
2016-11-11T06:02:35 < englishman> so what do i use to record after i install this thing
2016-11-11T06:02:41 < englishman> or can it dump right into premiere
2016-11-11T06:02:47 < dongs> yes ^
2016-11-11T06:02:50 < englishman> rly
2016-11-11T06:02:51 < englishman> cool
2016-11-11T06:02:56 < englishman> why are you broke aandrew 
2016-11-11T06:02:59 < englishman> i thought you were a pro irc ee
2016-11-11T06:03:23 < aandrew> I am
2016-11-11T06:03:32 < aandrew> I have a european wife and a pile of kids
2016-11-11T06:03:46 < stvn> raw dog andrew
2016-11-11T06:03:50 < aandrew> without those things I'd be dongs
2016-11-11T06:04:01 < aandrew> with my own dicknplace and an awesome office
2016-11-11T06:04:27 < aandrew> perhaps not in japland though
2016-11-11T06:04:28 < englishman> even i have a dicknplace and a decent office
2016-11-11T06:04:36 < ohsix> jadew: i'll probably figure out how to do that measurement/proof plate in openscad too
2016-11-11T06:04:38 < englishman> and my stm32 skill is setup() loop()
2016-11-11T06:04:42 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: haha
2016-11-11T06:04:47 < aandrew> that's par for the course
2016-11-11T06:04:59 < dongs> aandrew: except... i probably have more kids than you do
2016-11-11T06:05:03 < stvn> for( ; ; )
2016-11-11T06:05:10 < ohsix> jadew: aside from editing vertices there aren't a lot of ways to scale a whole assembly in solvespace, you basically cut and paste scaled
2016-11-11T06:05:17 < ohsix> er paste transformed
2016-11-11T06:05:23 < aandrew> dongs: noway
2016-11-11T06:05:28 < dongs> yaway
2016-11-11T06:05:46 < aandrew> I got 6, 3 of whom live with me and two that I pay support for
2016-11-11T06:05:50 < ohsix> dongs kids are kewl
2016-11-11T06:05:56 < stvn> i pull out
2016-11-11T06:06:12 < dongs> that doesnt add up
2016-11-11T06:06:25 < aandrew> dongs: the oldest is 21 and lives on his own
2016-11-11T06:06:29 < dongs> ah
2016-11-11T06:06:50 < dongs> oh fuck
2016-11-11T06:06:56 < dongs> altium designer coming in 5 days 14hours
2016-11-11T06:06:58 < dongs> 17
2016-11-11T06:07:01 < dongs> http://www.altium.com/
2016-11-11T06:07:20 < stvn> ty
2016-11-11T06:07:28 < aandrew> I thought you were only allowed one child and it had to be a boy in japland
2016-11-11T06:08:20 < dongs> thats probly china
2016-11-11T06:08:30 < aandrew> orite
2016-11-11T06:08:37 < aandrew> japan is pretty fucked too though
2016-11-11T06:08:52 < aandrew> with men buying plastic women's laps and having pillow waifus
2016-11-11T06:08:52 < dongs> http://www.altium.com/altium-designer/coming-soon/ so much awesome shit
2016-11-11T06:08:59 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: haha
2016-11-11T06:09:06 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: and in sweden they learned to flat pack them
2016-11-11T06:09:11 < aandrew> dongs: yeah it looks rad
2016-11-11T06:09:17 < aandrew> more places for it to crash
2016-11-11T06:09:33 < dongs> annnnnnnnnnd leelooman has no children because... he's a man
2016-11-11T06:09:35 < dongs> ziiiiiiiing
2016-11-11T06:10:24 < englishman> its not 2017 yet
2016-11-11T06:10:44 < upgrdman> wow. got an email from amazon saying that i use their app on my sony android tv and many people have reported the app being slow on this tv. amazon said sony just released an update to their tv which helps. theyre right, like 2x faster nav'ing menus now.
2016-11-11T06:11:01 < upgrdman> wonder if amazon had to school those sony japs on android programming
2016-11-11T06:12:06 < englishman> k ordered cockmagic
2016-11-11T06:12:10 < stvn> LeelooMinai, #sjw pls
2016-11-11T06:12:13 < englishman> i hope i have some free pci sluts
2016-11-11T06:12:24 < dongs> englishman: you need x8 slot for it
2016-11-11T06:12:27 < englishman> :o
2016-11-11T06:12:27 < englishman> wat
2016-11-11T06:12:33 < dongs> yeah wat, its raw capture
2016-11-11T06:12:35 < englishman> shit
2016-11-11T06:12:38 < zyp> dongs, looked like x4
2016-11-11T06:12:40 < dongs> well 4x or whaetver 
2016-11-11T06:12:42 < englishman> what does the nvs510 use
2016-11-11T06:12:50 < englishman> yea no way
2016-11-11T06:12:58 < dongs> 16x, but it'll work at half if you plug in another 16/8x slot up
2016-11-11T06:13:05 < englishman> that slot is tiny
2016-11-11T06:13:07 < dongs> i ran my dual NVS at 8x
2016-11-11T06:13:09 < dongs> there was no difference
2016-11-11T06:13:13 < englishman> https://images.blackmagicdesign.com/images/products/intensitypro4k/main/hero@2x.jpg?_v=1460999810
2016-11-11T06:13:18 < englishman> no way thats x16
2016-11-11T06:13:23 < englishman> thats like x1 or x4
2016-11-11T06:13:24 < dongs> yeah, thats x4
2016-11-11T06:13:26 < dongs> not x1
2016-11-11T06:13:33 < englishman> yeah
2016-11-11T06:13:39 < upgrdman> whats that DB99 for
2016-11-11T06:13:43 < zyp> I'm running my gtx670 at x8 since I've got 10G in the other slot, no noticeable difference
2016-11-11T06:13:44 < dongs> analolg
2016-11-11T06:13:47 < englishman> upgrdman: analolgue breakout
2016-11-11T06:13:52 < upgrdman> o
2016-11-11T06:14:04 < englishman> like my ONKYO PCI sound card
2016-11-11T06:14:35 < dongs> englishman: are you getting into pro jewtube broadcasting?
2016-11-11T06:14:35 < upgrdman> any idea what the board edge connector at the top of the pcb is for?
2016-11-11T06:14:43 < upgrdman> jtag maybe?
2016-11-11T06:14:44 < aandrew> http://amzn.to/2dt6Yxj is apparently what he uses for hdmi capture
2016-11-11T06:14:49 < englishman> dongs: of course, live streaming 4k kittens for the youtube dollas
2016-11-11T06:14:58 < dongs> upgrdman: most likely, their main chip is some xilinx fpga
2016-11-11T06:15:22 < dongs> actually  there's jtag exposed there next to that side connector
2016-11-11T06:15:31 < dongs> so maybe something else, anyway i dunno anything that officially plugs into it
2016-11-11T06:15:44 < upgrdman> lol theyre using an fpga to bitbang read hdmi?
2016-11-11T06:16:01 < dongs> no, they got a regular hdmi RX / TX tehre
2016-11-11T06:16:05 < dongs> just to process bits etc
2016-11-11T06:16:07 < aandrew> what's wrong with that? I used an FPGA to read MIPI CSI
2016-11-11T06:16:37 < upgrdman> aandrew, nothing for hobbyists. i'd liek to learn how even. but for consumer goods? seems a waste.
2016-11-11T06:17:15 < upgrdman> i've been meaning to figre out "io gearing" on the machxo2 so i can do the 1x/2x/7x/8x fast io stuff
2016-11-11T06:17:38 < aandrew> upgrdman: this was by far the cheapest option (it was for a 4k webcam)
2016-11-11T06:17:59 < upgrdman> cool.
2016-11-11T06:18:14 < upgrdman> didnt know 4k webcams were a thing yet
2016-11-11T06:18:19 < aandrew> they weren't
2016-11-11T06:18:25 < aandrew> this was something for MS a few years abck
2016-11-11T06:18:34 < upgrdman> worked for msft
2016-11-11T06:18:36 < upgrdman> ?
2016-11-11T06:18:50 < aandrew> subcontracted for a contractor who was contracting at MS
2016-11-11T06:18:58 < upgrdman> lol niuce
2016-11-11T06:19:04 < dongs> paki'd out on freecancer
2016-11-11T06:19:05 < aandrew> it was nice
2016-11-11T06:19:07 < aandrew> nice company
2016-11-11T06:19:16 < aandrew> travelled out there for the bringup
2016-11-11T06:19:51 < englishman> canuck'd out on freelancer mor elike
2016-11-11T06:21:04 < aandrew> no no this wasn't on freelancer at all
2016-11-11T06:21:12 < dongs> obviously
2016-11-11T06:21:18 < dongs> CUZ YOU ACTUALLY GOT PAID
2016-11-11T06:21:24 < dongs> and propject wasn't "MAKE ME A PCB"
2016-11-11T06:21:31 < aandrew> haha tru
2016-11-11T06:23:41 < ohsix> aandrew: fuck old people!
2016-11-11T06:24:01 < ohsix> but really, not fuck them, thei have their own anxieties about their lives being useless and closer to dying
2016-11-11T06:24:17 < ohsix> anything cool in the buffer today
2016-11-11T06:24:32 < upgrdman> nice. eclipse neon.1 finally made it easy to launch-and-kill-existing with shift-clicking the play button
2016-11-11T06:25:04 < ohsix> upgrdman: have you tried atom for java junk
2016-11-11T06:25:10 < ohsix> it supposedly does a lot of stuff
2016-11-11T06:25:24 < dongs> why the fuck that doesnt have a keyboard shortcut
2016-11-11T06:25:26 < dongs> fuck clicking on shit
2016-11-11T06:25:29 < upgrdman> ohsix, i tried atom ~1yr ago, and it was so fucking gay
2016-11-11T06:25:34 < ohsix> i _think_ you can get away without a rebuild most of the time cuz it builds junk as you go
2016-11-11T06:25:35 < ohsix> oic
2016-11-11T06:25:40 < upgrdman> dongs, prolly does
2016-11-11T06:25:52 < ohsix> someone was using it at haxor meetup, it's on my list of stuff to check out ~seriously
2016-11-11T06:26:10 < upgrdman> ohsix, eclipse does that too for java. ctrl-s to save and it build/updates as needed
2016-11-11T06:26:13 < ohsix> the vim stuff that was mentioned in here does some of the same stuff, syntax checking and partial builds and shit
2016-11-11T06:26:15 < ohsix> right
2016-11-11T06:26:20 < dongs> atom is fucking gay, anything javascript based is garbage
2016-11-11T06:26:22 < dongs> just like vs.code
2016-11-11T06:26:44 < ohsix> i just think it does the poop you would ~rely on and you might have tried it :D
2016-11-11T06:26:46 < upgrdman> dongs, im not against js, but it just seemed like a webdev-wanker "ide"
2016-11-11T06:26:49 < ohsix> bbl
2016-11-11T06:26:52 < ohsix> it all is
2016-11-11T06:26:56 < dongs> thats what it is
2016-11-11T06:27:23 < ohsix> i'm so over editor shit, it's a bummer (not here) that you mention an editor and it's a huge sideshow instead of just talking about the thing
2016-11-11T06:27:38 < upgrdman> im still looking for a nice text editor for windows. i miss gedit from the gnome2 era.
2016-11-11T06:27:47 < dongs> gvim and shut up
2016-11-11T06:27:54 < upgrdman> notepad++ is the least annoying thing i've found, but it still sucks ass
2016-11-11T06:33:42 < upgrdman> R2COM, lol
2016-11-11T06:33:54 < upgrdman> people doing red vs blue with gta5 now?
2016-11-11T06:35:10 < stvn> nigz
2016-11-11T06:35:25 < dongs> cool, looks like write worked
2016-11-11T06:45:31 < stvn> yeah
2016-11-11T06:52:49 < dongs> ok, SPI flash DFU complete success
2016-11-11T06:53:01 < dongs> i had wrong sector count before, 16mbit flash kept reading 16megabytes
2016-11-11T06:53:35 < dongs> thats why it took like 10 minutes
2016-11-11T07:01:47 < aandrew> nice
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2016-11-11T07:07:11 < stvn> lul
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2016-11-11T07:27:23 < dongs>  /msg R2COM I'm awesome and hot too, here's my pic from google images ^_^
2016-11-11T07:27:30 < dongs> erm
2016-11-11T07:27:52 < dongs> unicode font rom full success
2016-11-11T07:27:55 < dongs> i can dispaly chink
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2016-11-11T07:53:10 < dongs> hm
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2016-11-11T07:54:11 < dongs> keil is failing @ unicode
2016-11-11T07:55:01 < dongs> as in wchar_t stuff
2016-11-11T08:01:07 < dongs> k, solved. weird. wchar_t contents depend on encoding of the .h file
2016-11-11T08:01:13 < dongs> keil defaults to asving to UTF8
2016-11-11T08:01:22 < dongs> so wchar gets weird 2-3 byte UTF sequences
2016-11-11T08:01:36 < dongs> saved as double-byte unicode and it works ok
2016-11-11T08:01:41 < dongs> will just have to edit strings in VIM
2016-11-11T08:02:46 < stvn> you use vim?
2016-11-11T08:03:48 < stvn> http://www.vim.org/images/vim_drill_small.JPG
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2016-11-11T08:12:03 < dongs> niggas love vim
2016-11-11T08:23:52 < stvn> ahk
2016-11-11T08:39:43 < ohsix> the channel isn't racist, people say racist things because you'll respond
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2016-11-11T08:40:06 < ohsix> people on the channel, rather
2016-11-11T08:40:23 < ohsix> ReadErr: adam ruins everything election episode was ok
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2016-11-11T08:42:59 < stvn> yeah im not racist, just love trolling sjw clowns
2016-11-11T08:43:11 < stvn> fact too
2016-11-11T08:43:16 < ohsix> or just clowns
2016-11-11T08:44:29 < ohsix> tell them their baloon animals are shit or something
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2016-11-11T09:23:13 < stvn> systems
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2016-11-11T09:40:30 < ohsix> i think there's a joke in here somewhere, but i'm just going to say the mind dribble so i can stop thinking about it: even trump stopped taking the bait about the size of his hands
2016-11-11T09:40:48 < ohsix> sup stvn
2016-11-11T09:40:58 < ohsix> any interesting repairs lately
2016-11-11T09:41:01 < stvn> get my rocks off a mountain and roll 'em on down
2016-11-11T09:41:27 < ohsix> i have some fm intercoms from the 80s that i'm not sure how to start repairing
2016-11-11T09:41:34 < dongs> R2COM: i just registered for steam to celebrate soon arrival of my GTX1050
2016-11-11T09:41:56 < ohsix> check lo and tank with a scope/ frequency counter i guess
2016-11-11T09:42:00 < stvn> get gtx10999
2016-11-11T09:42:34 < ohsix> they're a nice shape so if it isn't an easy fix i can rip the junk out and just put some other wireless thing in them
2016-11-11T09:43:07 < stvn> ohsix, better get a mac
2016-11-11T09:44:16 < stvn> at least that is what brother steffan would say
2016-11-11T09:46:00 < ohsix> does someone make a usb-c accessory that's just an escape button?
2016-11-11T09:46:02 < ohsix> , yet
2016-11-11T09:46:24 < stvn> just fix ya box
2016-11-11T09:47:08 < ohsix> twitter is weird, leonard cohen died and everyone is talking like they were huge fan of his body of work, but there's no way that even a third of the people actually do
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2016-11-11T09:47:39 < ohsix> s/do/are
2016-11-11T09:47:49 < stvn> everybody knows
2016-11-11T09:47:55 < stvn> the deal is rotten
2016-11-11T09:47:55 < dongs> I already purchased top of hte line fagbook with TouchBAR
2016-11-11T09:48:04 < stvn> old black joe is still pickin cotton
2016-11-11T09:48:06 < dongs> $4500 shipped
2016-11-11T09:48:06 < ohsix> was just listening to everybody knows
2016-11-11T09:48:36 < stvn> why do it dongs '
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2016-11-11T09:49:18 < dongs> trolling.
2016-11-11T09:49:20 < dongs> im not a fucking faggot.
2016-11-11T09:49:52 < stvn> ehehe
2016-11-11T09:50:04  * stvn goes back to absinthe
2016-11-11T09:50:26 < ohsix> do they have the real thing in au, with the wormwood and lead
2016-11-11T09:50:40 < stvn> somehow some way
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2016-11-11T10:08:40 < ohsix> heh did gnome online account shit cuz i wanted to edit calendar locally ... there's a bunch of other shit including drive integration that wokrs pretty well
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2016-11-11T10:29:53 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QRP_operation wizard stuff
2016-11-11T10:37:22 < upgrdman> dongie needs one of these  http://imgur.com/Y3QgbeF
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2016-11-11T11:07:46 < dongs> why tehre fcuk i cant connect to postnord.dk
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2016-11-11T11:20:02 < karlp> upgrdman: does eclipse have any "save all the fucking time" setting yet? I couldn't stand it not hving saved things, even when you built stuff
2016-11-11T11:20:25 < upgrdman> like have it autosave when you click the build button?
2016-11-11T11:20:54 < upgrdman> that's a checkbox that i checked a long time ago
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2016-11-11T11:21:04 < upgrdman> i think it was in a pop up when i click the build button
2016-11-11T11:21:12 < upgrdman> or else somewhere in settings
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2016-11-11T11:30:33 < Kliment> upgrdman: The popup has a "remember my decision" checkbox
2016-11-11T11:30:44 < upgrdman> ya
2016-11-11T11:30:57 < upgrdman> and i check that long ago :)
2016-11-11T11:31:05 < upgrdman> side note: eclipse now loads very fast
2016-11-11T11:31:24 < upgrdman> neon.1 loads faster than visual studio 2015 cum edition
2016-11-11T11:31:31 < Kliment> I'm a bit tired of eclipse
2016-11-11T11:31:57 < upgrdman> the thing that used to piss me off the most about eclipse was its ugly theme, but then i found a plugin and a nice theme
2016-11-11T11:36:08 < Kliment> The only reason I use eclipse (or SW4STM32) is that the command-line interface to gdb is fairly high effort
2016-11-11T11:36:33 < Kliment> For everything else I feel it gets in the way
2016-11-11T11:36:59 < Kliment> I'm much happier with a makefile and text editor
2016-11-11T11:38:52 < upgrdman> Kliment, why not both. i use eclipse + makefile for stm32
2016-11-11T11:39:11 < upgrdman> but ya, i understand. eclipse sure loves to pack shit all over the place.
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2016-11-11T11:40:28 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Cluttered interface and many steps to make things happen
2016-11-11T11:40:37 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: And it just feels slow
2016-11-11T11:41:20 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Like adding an include path or a file to a project is unnecessarily complex
2016-11-11T11:41:44 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Yeah, I want exactly that to happen
2016-11-11T11:42:00 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: And i don't want to go through three layers of a tiered dialog to add a -D to the build
2016-11-11T11:43:23 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Oh, it works fine. It's just a bunch of minor frustrations
2016-11-11T11:43:49 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Well that's the thing, I don't feel the editing is superior
2016-11-11T11:44:16 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: An advanced text editor like geany, for example
2016-11-11T11:44:44 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Indexing as in detecting and suggesting symbols?
2016-11-11T11:45:06 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: It does
2016-11-11T11:45:21 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: And it's syntax-aware and indentation-aware and scope-aware
2016-11-11T11:46:23 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: The error checking doesn't work too well for me in eclipse because the internal build tool doesn't build things the same way as the actual compiler
2016-11-11T11:46:32 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Maybe that's a config issue
2016-11-11T11:47:07 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: But it often shows me errors on the wrong line or shows errors in a file that are caused by it now having saved another file
2016-11-11T11:47:10 < Kliment> not*
2016-11-11T11:47:40 < Kliment> Very possible
2016-11-11T11:48:21 < Kliment> So say I change a define in a .h file, and go to change something related in a .c file that includes that .h
2016-11-11T11:48:58 < Kliment> Because it won't autosave, and I need both open at the same time because I'm making coordinated changed, it paints the .c file red all over
2016-11-11T11:49:14 < Kliment> Because it tries to build it against the old version of the .h
2016-11-11T11:49:57 < Kliment> No, that's about finding .h files
2016-11-11T11:50:06 < Kliment> That you haven't explicitly added to the build
2016-11-11T11:50:31 < Kliment> Yep
2016-11-11T11:50:49 < Kliment> Anyway, these things are nice to have, especially on huge projects
2016-11-11T11:51:10 < Kliment> But I'm finding for more and more projects I find I prefer to not open eclipse
2016-11-11T11:51:56 < Kliment> And it's not that it doesn't work but a kind of friction I feel when using it that isn't there with a text editor
2016-11-11T11:52:12 < Kliment> Yeah, geany is not notepad
2016-11-11T11:52:41 < Kliment> I find it's a nice in-between step
2016-11-11T11:52:54 < Kliment> Speed and UI cleanness
2016-11-11T11:53:15 < Kliment> And just getting the hell out of the way and letting you type :)
2016-11-11T11:54:27 < Kliment> I know, but I also know if I start tweaking eclipse I'll end up down a rabbithole
2016-11-11T11:54:42 < Kliment> And eventually end up writing my own themes and possibly code
2016-11-11T11:54:55 < Kliment> It's also the reason I avoid games and television series
2016-11-11T11:55:32 < Kliment> It's also SUPER frustrating when I then have to set up a customer with a build environment and EVERYTHING IS IN THE WRONG PLACE
2016-11-11T11:55:54 < Kliment> Oh yeah, I know
2016-11-11T11:56:13 < Kliment> But it's still a rabbithole
2016-11-11T11:57:48 < Kliment> No competition there. Eclipse wins hands down on features every time
2016-11-11T11:58:31 < Kliment> It's just that for many small projects I can get in and out of the project with a text editor in less time than it takes me to set it up so it builds correctly in eclipse
2016-11-11T11:58:56  * karlp just can't stand eclipses demands on having "workspaces"
2016-11-11T11:59:13 < Kliment> Yeah, workspaces, and build variants, and projects
2016-11-11T11:59:20 < karlp> what, can't run tests in c++ LeelooMinai ?
2016-11-11T11:59:34 < Kliment> karlp: Sometimes it's easier to prototype in another language
2016-11-11T11:59:48 < Kliment> karlp: I often prototype algorithms in python
2016-11-11T12:00:02 < karlp> your circular buffer code is dependent on your micro?!
2016-11-11T12:00:14 < karlp> if you can't have nice tests in c++, why are you using c++?
2016-11-11T12:00:23 < karlp> I have tests in C, I had hoped c++ would be better
2016-11-11T12:00:41 < karlp> Kliment: sure, not questioning that, I've done that myself many times and will again :)
2016-11-11T12:00:48 < Kliment> karlp: You can have tests in any language. It's just some languages have lovely built-in tools for it
2016-11-11T12:01:16 < Kliment> karlp: And it's faster to go that way than port your code to run on an operating system
2016-11-11T12:02:10 < karlp> sucks to be c++ then.
2016-11-11T12:02:27 < karlp> and sucks to use eclipse if it's not giving you good tooling for tests regardless of the language.
2016-11-11T12:02:27 < Kliment> I don't think that follows
2016-11-11T12:02:51 < karlp> if eclipse is all multi langauge, but not actually multi language, why claim it as a feature?
2016-11-11T12:02:54 < Kliment> Anyway, let LeelooMinai do whatever makes LeelooMinai happy
2016-11-11T12:04:21 < karlp> ok, so eclipse sucks for c++ then? no good testing support?
2016-11-11T12:04:59 < Kliment> karlp: Like essentially every IDE, you have to pick your own testing framework
2016-11-11T12:05:15 < Kliment> karlp: It doesn't support anything but junit for java eithe
2016-11-11T12:05:16 < Kliment> r
2016-11-11T12:06:08 < Kliment> karlp: It's a bit like source control integration - if the IDE doesn't use the same SCM setup you use that doesn't mean you can't use SCM, it just means you don't get it automagically
2016-11-11T12:06:31 < karlp> Kliment: you're being rather apologetic for eclipse :)
2016-11-11T12:07:01 < Kliment> karlp: Nah, I just don't feel it's particularly worse than any random IDE
2016-11-11T12:07:09 < karlp> I'm disappointed that there is _no_ testing support for c++ in eclipse.  I'm ok with not having choices, just that it sounds shit to not have any.
2016-11-11T12:07:27 < Kliment> karlp: Even VS had terrible testing and source control integration until very recently
2016-11-11T12:07:40 < Kliment> karlp: And that's considered the gold standard among IDEs 
2016-11-11T12:08:00 < karlp> really? I just installed the nunit plugin and got green bars and double clickable test failures, and that was in like vs2010, did it get worse?
2016-11-11T12:08:25 < Kliment> karlp: It didn't get worse, but nunit is fairly recent (I'm old)
2016-11-11T12:08:29 < karlp> source control was vile yes, but I'm only interested in testing right now.
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2016-11-11T12:08:46 < karlp> so when you say terrible until fairly recently, you mean, recently like, "in the last 10 years"
2016-11-11T12:09:03 < Kliment> karlp: 6 years ago or so
2016-11-11T12:09:03 < karlp> LeelooMinai: and I'm saying it sounds like c++ support in eclipse is poor :)
2016-11-11T12:09:13 < Kliment> karlp: That's when I stopped doing Windows dev
2016-11-11T12:10:01 < Kliment> karlp: C++ support in eclipse CDT is fine. But like VS you need plugins for proper testing support
2016-11-11T12:10:50 < karlp> and are any available and functional that LeelooMinai simply wass't using?
2016-11-11T12:10:51 < Kliment> karlp: The eclipse ecosystem is centered around java, and it used to be a java-only idea, and the java ecosystem has One True Testing Framework
2016-11-11T12:11:10 < Kliment> karlp: So junit support is built-in
2016-11-11T12:11:44 < karlp> java has plenty of others, just you'd be silly to bother with them :)
2016-11-11T12:12:23 < Kliment> karlp: https://github.com/xgsa/cdt-tests-runner/wiki/Tutorial
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2016-11-11T12:12:37 < Kliment> karlp: This is built into latest eclipse versions I believe
2016-11-11T12:12:44 < karlp> Kliment: is that one you've used and can say is a functional test runner? or is that just the first one you found?
2016-11-11T12:13:02 < Thorn> https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/789505900604260352
2016-11-11T12:13:21 < Kliment> karlp: It's the one that was decided "officially supported"
2016-11-11T12:13:45 < Kliment> karlp: Could be better, but it's perfectly usable if you use of their supported test frameworks
2016-11-11T12:14:01 < Kliment> karlp: The core issue is that C++ does not have One True Test Framework
2016-11-11T12:14:29 < Kliment> karlp: But it does a decent job with Qt stuff at least
2016-11-11T12:14:38 < karlp> and that gets me back to "sucks to be c++" :)
2016-11-11T12:15:22 < Kliment> karlp: I'm not disagreeing, though modern C++ is rather tempting to work in
2016-11-11T12:16:27 < Kliment> karlp: But of course it's only lovely in comparison to old C++, which was rather unpleasant to work with
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2016-11-11T12:16:58 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: The problem with that is I feel Java has a lot of shortcomings that are compensated by tooling
2016-11-11T12:17:12 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Particularly on the API level
2016-11-11T12:17:45 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: My main issue with embedded C++ is it's very hard, when using library code, to reason about memory usage
2016-11-11T12:18:50 < upgrdman> karlp, re: workspaces, just check the "use this by default" and it wont ask again. a workspace is just a collection of settings, so if you just want to use the IDE one way, there no need for multiple workspaces
2016-11-11T12:18:54 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: In C the memory management is much more explicit
2016-11-11T12:19:08 < Kliment> upgrdman: That works until you try importing two projects with the same name
2016-11-11T12:20:15 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Yeah, I've done that before
2016-11-11T12:20:31 < karlp> java7 would be ok if they dropped compatibility with all the pre java5 stuff perhaps...
2016-11-11T12:20:32 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: But things break in strange ways sometimes
2016-11-11T12:20:48 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: I use static allocations whenever possible
2016-11-11T12:20:58 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: The issue is using existing code
2016-11-11T12:21:26 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: And when porting something that uses the heap, it's quite common for say constructors to silently copy data
2016-11-11T12:22:10 < jpa-> i've found that the level of uncertainty is usually pretty small though, as most of the copied and heaped objects are less than 100 bytes or so
2016-11-11T12:22:31 < Kliment> jpa-: 100 bytes adds up quick when you have 6k of sram
2016-11-11T12:23:00 < jpa-> i'm happily using C++ & lots of heap based stuff on STM32F4, i just make sure that i have some 20kB of extra free heap at all times
2016-11-11T12:23:04 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Yep, modern C++ is so amazing
2016-11-11T12:23:46  * TheSeven absolutely never used a heap on stm32
2016-11-11T12:24:00 < Kliment> Incidentally, which of the stms has the best memory/price ratio?
2016-11-11T12:24:07 < TheSeven> smallest system I used one on is ARM SoCs with like 32MB of RAM :D
2016-11-11T12:24:24 < jpa-> Kliment: http://essentialscrap.com/tips/stm32prices/
2016-11-11T12:24:27 < TheSeven> Kliment: probably F103 or F205
2016-11-11T12:24:28 < Kliment> jpa-: Thanks
2016-11-11T12:24:38 < Kliment> TheSeven: I mean sram not flash
2016-11-11T12:24:43 < TheSeven> yep
2016-11-11T12:25:01 < TheSeven> if you want >128K and can live with CCM RAM, F4 might be worth considering as well
2016-11-11T12:25:27 < jpa-> i'd say F7 with 512KB, which costs some $13
2016-11-11T12:25:40 < jpa-> F7 even has sane CCM
2016-11-11T12:26:29 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, doesnt cpp have #pragma once?
2016-11-11T12:26:37 < TheSeven> at least gcc does
2016-11-11T12:27:48 < Kliment> Looks like no large-memory L4s exist
2016-11-11T12:27:55 < TheSeven> $2.57 @10pcs in china for f205 with 128K of RAM is hard to beat, unless you really need 512K
2016-11-11T12:28:34 < jpa-> seems to be about the same ratio, ~45kB/$
2016-11-11T12:29:07 < karlp> #pragma once is available everywhere these days, no reason to be using ifndef headmagicerfuckyou shits anymore
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2016-11-11T12:29:35 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: I'm looking for large RAM
2016-11-11T12:29:42 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: 256 or so
2016-11-11T12:30:56 < Kliment> I'll see if I can get away with 128
2016-11-11T12:31:01 < karlp> jpa-: can you make your graphs clicky so I cna turn of certain families?
2016-11-11T12:31:07 < karlp> the mouserover is nice though
2016-11-11T12:31:43 < karlp> LeelooMinai: shitty tools again hey ;) (you can surely change the new file template?)
2016-11-11T12:31:50 < jpa-> karlp: i don't think gnuplot supports such thing, would have to add some extra javascript
2016-11-11T12:32:38 < TheSeven> Kliment: what do you need all that ram for?
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2016-11-11T12:39:53 < Kliment> TheSeven: Buffering something that gets burst out
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2016-11-11T12:40:48 < Kliment> TheSeven: I want deep buffers because the bit that's feeding it is unreliable
2016-11-11T12:41:47 < Kliment> jpa-: Thanks for this page and a number of others on there
2016-11-11T12:41:48 < karlp> LeelooMinai: hooray, an image from you that actually needed to be an image.
2016-11-11T12:42:15 < Kliment> karlp: LeelooMinai, the one that uses imgur as pastebin?
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2016-11-11T12:49:08 < Kliment> Okay, I gotta run
2016-11-11T12:49:09 < Kliment> Laters
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2016-11-11T12:52:51 < karlp> LeelooMinai: let me know how chat via img links works out for you :)
2016-11-11T12:54:53 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/984150920bd01e94d3585b507f1d4751a3bf5331c25723cbb3e0818a26552127.jpeg
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2016-11-11T13:25:12 < Fleck> meh, aliexpress 11.11 sale such a hoax...
2016-11-11T13:30:08 < dongs> o fuck forgot about that
2016-11-11T13:30:34 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/No-Waiting-11-11-Original-Xiaomi-Mi4c-Mobile-Phone-4G-LTE-Snapdragon808-Hexa-Core-5-0/311331_32521874724.html?aff_platform=promotion&sk=AqrBIUF6I%3A&cpt=1478094639288&af=5513991&cn=002&cv=11555457&dp=&PID=5513991&aff_trace_key=a673f8b542344e31a5cb9d4f13d701ea-1478094639288-00590-AqrBIUF6I
2016-11-11T13:30:39 < dongs> still best deal around
2016-11-11T13:40:21 < ReadErr> its not an iphone though
2016-11-11T13:45:37 < dongs> keil is awesome
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2016-11-11T13:49:13 < ReadErr> why 
2016-11-11T13:50:42 < ReadErr> http://solidworkspcb.com/
2016-11-11T13:50:44 < ReadErr> wat the wut
2016-11-11T14:09:39 < dongs> ReadErr: is that the pcb renering add-on?
2016-11-11T14:09:43 < dongs> oh wait wat
2016-11-11T14:10:01 < ReadErr> it looks like circuitmaker
2016-11-11T14:10:06 < ReadErr> im not even sure
2016-11-11T14:10:11 < dongs> fukking
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2016-11-11T14:43:16 < decimad> isn't that basically altium integrated?
2016-11-11T14:43:26 < dongs> its circuitmaker integrated
2016-11-11T14:43:27 < dongs> which is fuck off
2016-11-11T14:43:59 < Laurenceb> flyback: ancient
2016-11-11T14:44:12 < Laurenceb> so old it was a joke on original top gear
2016-11-11T14:44:22 < decimad> hehe, well, kicad is enough for me :P it has its quirks, but it's free and I'm somewhat fluent with its code now
2016-11-11T14:44:31 < dongs> r i g h t
2016-11-11T14:44:49 < Laurenceb> lul
2016-11-11T14:44:57 < Laurenceb> kicad is too crazy even for me
2016-11-11T14:47:42 < PaulFertser> Try gEDA then ;)
2016-11-11T14:48:42 < dongs> how about, dont try geda
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2016-11-11T14:49:14 < dongs> friends dont let friends use gEDA
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2016-11-11T14:51:54 < jpa-> dongs: you expect gEDA users to have friends?
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2016-11-11T15:01:54 < Lux> for simple stuff kicad can be ok
2016-11-11T15:02:14 < Lux> but altium is def the most advanced and easy to use
2016-11-11T15:03:01 < Lux> the cern devs helped a lot with kicad imo
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2016-11-11T15:10:30 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/JPMxMvI.gif
2016-11-11T15:10:40 < decimad> Well, the only integral problem is that its sexiness is held back by wxwidgets
2016-11-11T15:10:53 < decimad> everything else is slowly being refactored anyways
2016-11-11T15:11:34 < decimad> but there's no layer between the ui toolkit and the domain stuff, so it's very rigidly bound :(
2016-11-11T15:13:23 < jpa-> IMO the file and library formats are somewhat problematic also.. they seem pretty ad-hoc and i'm a bit concerned that very few of my current kicad designs will be usable 5 years later
2016-11-11T15:13:55 < jpa-> and who thinks ".pretty" is a good name for PCB tool library file? :D
2016-11-11T15:13:59 < dongs> protel'99 (thats 1999) designs can still be opened in altium in 2016
2016-11-11T15:15:15 < jpa-> kicad changed default library resistor size last year or something, broke a lot of my designs :P
2016-11-11T15:15:29 < englishman> lunix mentality
2016-11-11T15:15:37 < englishman> its more than 6 months old? throw it away
2016-11-11T15:15:45 < dongs> 6 weeks for lunix
2016-11-11T15:15:53 < englishman> 6 commits
2016-11-11T15:15:57 < dongs> hEH
2016-11-11T15:16:21 < decimad> jpa-: The footprints are actually being imported into the design, so unless you update the footprints that should not happen?
2016-11-11T15:16:54 < jpa-> decimad: i mean the schematic resistor symbol size
2016-11-11T15:17:00 < jpa-> it became shorter
2016-11-11T15:17:05 < decimad> also the import/export is being redesigned now
2016-11-11T15:17:18 < dongs> meanwhile altium 17 will be out in a week
2016-11-11T15:17:20 < decimad> to support those different versions more sanely
2016-11-11T15:17:24 < dongs> and its going to be amazeballs
2016-11-11T15:17:30 < decimad> and expensive ;)
2016-11-11T15:17:38 < jpa-> and yeah, i also trust that these problems will eventually be solved and perhaps they'll even have a working upgrade path.. but currently I don't trust it for longevity much
2016-11-11T15:17:44 < dongs> thats ok, you actually get paid for deisgns with altium
2016-11-11T15:17:55 < dongs> so you can afford it
2016-11-11T15:18:05 < decimad> yeah, sure, if you're going commercial it's affordable
2016-11-11T15:18:09 < jpa-> but it works, and my designs are simple enough that even manual fixups take an hour or less
2016-11-11T15:18:23 < jpa-> nah, even if going commercial it's not always affordabel
2016-11-11T15:19:58 < decimad> I wonder how many people work on altium
2016-11-11T15:20:01 < dongs> if you just leelooman on irc 24/7 then yeah
2016-11-11T15:20:06 < dongs> no hope of making moeny from electronics
2016-11-11T15:21:38 < jpa-> i make my money from software, electronics is just small part; and 90% of my designs are trivial like "slap a microcontroller and put a few things on its pins"
2016-11-11T15:23:27 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Schematic-entry-PCB-layout-design/ wow attn aandrew 
2016-11-11T15:25:22 < dongs> an actual design documentation pdf included
2016-11-11T15:26:27 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/having-huge-problems-with-actual/ too cheap, otherwise would be fun
2016-11-11T15:28:29 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/php/Design-some/
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2016-11-11T15:36:40 < englishman> too much shit
2016-11-11T15:36:44 < englishman> and esp666
2016-11-11T15:37:21 < englishman> it'll be 2 days alone briging up that tardrino stuff
2016-11-11T15:39:42 < dongs> feelancer success stories are always fun
2016-11-11T15:43:48 < jadew> I have to come up with a way of screwing with a neighbours audio system
2016-11-11T15:43:52 < jadew> suggestions?
2016-11-11T15:44:44 < karlp> hammer?
2016-11-11T15:44:49 < jadew> hehe
2016-11-11T15:44:57 < dongs> ESP14/88
2016-11-11T15:45:02 < englishman> warfarin in their breakfast cereal?
2016-11-11T15:47:26 < dongs> loading up dicknplace for tomrorow
2016-11-11T15:47:42 < jadew> maybe I can find a way of delivering noise through the walls without having to subject myself to the same noise
2016-11-11T15:47:56 < jadew> like audio noise
2016-11-11T15:48:46 < dongs> stick a bone conduction speaker on their window/wall
2016-11-11T15:49:33 < jadew> good idea, I'll look into it
2016-11-11T15:51:12 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/9LCwgA.jpg
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2016-11-11T15:53:34 < karlp> annnnnd we're back to not clicking laurenc links again.
2016-11-11T15:53:52 < dongs> indeed
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2016-11-11T16:05:15 < kakimir> I think it's on point
2016-11-11T16:05:31 < kakimir> and high quality in scale of laurenceb-links
2016-11-11T16:08:27 < karlp> heh, 9uA active mode: http://www.emmicroelectronic.com/products/microcontrollers/multi-io/em6503
2016-11-11T16:08:39 < karlp> for when 8bits is just, you know, like way too many
2016-11-11T16:11:56 < jadew> that's nice
2016-11-11T16:12:47 < dongs> nice, all setup for tomorrow
2016-11-11T16:13:30 < dongs> karlp: lol what the hell.
2016-11-11T16:13:35 < dongs> why?
2016-11-11T16:13:47 < kakimir> that's crazy
2016-11-11T16:13:54 < kakimir> what you plan to use it for?
2016-11-11T16:14:25 < karlp> me? nothing. was just looking at their product lineup. was referred to their bluetooth 4.2 soc,
2016-11-11T16:14:30 < karlp> decided to have a look at their product lineup
2016-11-11T16:14:36 < karlp> I guess it's used in watch controllers
2016-11-11T16:14:51 < karlp> EM is apparenrlt the swatch group's in house IC company
2016-11-11T16:15:19 < dongs> oh thats why 32khz sleep
2016-11-11T16:19:56 < Thorn> ok ##stm32 I now probably have a better signal generator than you do
2016-11-11T16:21:18 < dongs> o ea? did you make it with STM32?
2016-11-11T16:22:19 < Thorn> no
2016-11-11T16:25:02 < Thorn> lol 8 orders today, half of them to .ru https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Hack-to-120MHz-Free-Ship-Siglent-SDG2042X-touch-screen-40MHz-1-2GSa-s-signal-function-Arbitrary/2399078_32721690016.html
2016-11-11T16:25:34 < jadew> holly crap, that's a great deal
2016-11-11T16:25:54 < Thorn> I got it for $50 more :/
2016-11-11T16:26:20 < jadew> it's a complete agilent ripoff
2016-11-11T16:26:30 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/probably-scam/2399078_32721690016.html
2016-11-11T16:26:36 < jadew> but 15 times cheaper
2016-11-11T16:26:37 < decimad> Aren't there 1-bit mcus?
2016-11-11T16:26:48 < decimad> but obviously it must be fullbt!
2016-11-11T16:26:51 < decimad> *fullbit
2016-11-11T16:27:08 < jadew> dongs, think so?
2016-11-11T16:27:20 < dongs> jk i dont know
2016-11-11T16:27:30 < dongs> i really donno wat use i'd have for a signal generator
2016-11-11T16:27:42 < decimad> you could....generate signals
2016-11-11T16:27:46 < jadew> they're very useful
2016-11-11T16:28:08 < jadew> it takes the place of other circuits
2016-11-11T16:28:16 < jadew> so you can test stuff quicker
2016-11-11T16:29:30 < jadew> Thorn, any idea what kind of jitter they advertise?
2016-11-11T16:31:44 < Thorn> dunno, there seems to be nothing in the manual except "low jitter"
2016-11-11T16:32:29 < englishman> good enough for bang & olufson
2016-11-11T16:32:30 < Thorn> there's a long thread about it on DAVEforum, maybe someone there measured something
2016-11-11T16:32:48 < jadew> I'm tempted to buy it
2016-11-11T16:32:49 < Thorn> time to hack it 40 120MHz
2016-11-11T16:33:01 < Thorn> to*
2016-11-11T16:33:03 < jadew> you received it already? :D
2016-11-11T16:33:20 < Thorn> yes, playing with it
2016-11-11T16:33:54 < jadew> what's the max amplitude with hi-z load?
2016-11-11T16:34:13 < Thorn> 10V
2016-11-11T16:34:54 < jadew> seems better specced than the agilent counterparts
2016-11-11T16:35:04 < Thorn> website says 20Vpp
2016-11-11T16:35:10 < Thorn> maybe at lower frequencies
2016-11-11T16:35:30 < dongs> really waht the fuck doyou use such for
2016-11-11T16:35:56 < Thorn> yeah 20Vpp at 1MHz
2016-11-11T16:36:28 < jadew> dongs, for RF and to produce various digital patterns
2016-11-11T16:37:13 < jadew> Thorn, the agilent can do 20 Vpp up to 60 MHz
2016-11-11T16:37:55 < Thorn> maybe it will change after the hack I dunno yet
2016-11-11T16:38:07 < Thorn> how much does that agilent cost?
2016-11-11T16:38:15 < jadew> man, these neighbours are fucking annoying
2016-11-11T16:38:24 < jadew> it's been an hour of shitty music from the 90's
2016-11-11T16:38:35 < jadew> who the fuck listens to the titanic theme at full volume
2016-11-11T16:38:42 < Thorn> cook them with microwaves
2016-11-11T16:38:46 < decimad> I will in a second
2016-11-11T16:38:56 < jadew> Thorn, about 6k
2016-11-11T16:39:29 < Thorn> lol.
2016-11-11T16:39:43 < decimad> oh is that beauutiiifullll
2016-11-11T16:40:03 < decimad> and right after that some dubstep
2016-11-11T16:40:32 < decimad> that reminds me of battlestar galactica somehow
2016-11-11T16:40:36 < decimad> was that a ripoff?
2016-11-11T16:41:11 < jadew> Thorn, yeah, which is why I think the siglent is great value
2016-11-11T16:41:20 < jadew> but I'm curious how well it performs
2016-11-11T16:41:56 < Thorn> the most detailed info should be in that eev thread
2016-11-11T16:42:08 < Thorn> also several long reviews on youtube
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2016-11-11T16:54:04 < kakimir> is there any use to learn vim
2016-11-11T16:54:40 < Thorn> yes. you use it to hack siglent generators
2016-11-11T16:54:50 < kakimir> I wont
2016-11-11T17:02:50 < jadew> kakimir, I guess it's useful if you're editing stuff remotely
2016-11-11T17:03:21 < jadew> I couldn't get into it tho, I'm not a fan of switching modes
2016-11-11T17:04:46 < karlp> that signlent is $454 + $500 shipping to iceland :(
2016-11-11T17:04:58 < jadew> free shipping to romania
2016-11-11T17:06:42 < jadew> you can probably contact them and ask for free shipping too
2016-11-11T17:06:47 < jadew> if you really want to buy it
2016-11-11T17:08:01 < Thorn> when they wake up the discount will probably be over :/
2016-11-11T17:11:58 < jadew> when who wakes up?
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2016-11-11T17:28:21 < Thorn> http://imgur.com/ZM4qBIT
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2016-11-11T18:43:16 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBI1Hplnghs
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2016-11-11T19:13:25 < kakimir> I need to compile part of code as x86 binary instead of cortex binary in lpcxpresso(eclipse)
2016-11-11T19:13:29 < kakimir> to test features
2016-11-11T19:13:40 < kakimir> how should I continue
2016-11-11T19:14:07 < kakimir> I need competelly another project for it?
2016-11-11T19:14:19 < kakimir> then copy code there and run it
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2016-11-11T19:15:01 < zyp> this is what happens when you're using an IDE for something, and then you want to do something that doesn't fit the worldview the IDE makers had
2016-11-11T19:17:16 < Steffanx> No need to copy. Just include the stuff you need and a seperate makefile or whatever
2016-11-11T19:18:25 < zyp> in scons I'd make another environment with an x86 toolchain, and set up a variant build using that
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2016-11-11T19:20:17 < zyp> without variant settings, it expects each source file to correspond to one object file, but declaring a variant would keep the object files separate so multiple variants built from the same source doesn't conflict
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2016-11-11T19:24:28 < kakimir> I think I lauch eclipse at side of lpccpresso
2016-11-11T19:24:42 < kakimir> then just copy shiette
2016-11-11T19:26:38 < Steffanx> Why copy?
2016-11-11T19:26:52 < Laurenceb> https://www.instagram.com/p/BMpg-rOB-s2/
2016-11-11T19:30:09 < kakimir> actually I need to install depencies for x86 building
2016-11-11T19:32:55 < englishman> which intel cpus have 20 pci-e lanes?
2016-11-11T19:35:12 < englishman> hmm why is it that z170 motherboards all advertise 20 pcie lanes but all lga1151 cpus have only 16 lanes
2016-11-11T19:36:39 < kakimir> what packages I do need for eclipse for it to create native binaries for windows?
2016-11-11T19:36:48 < kakimir> and for debugging them
2016-11-11T19:36:50 < zyp> englishman, uh, isn't 20 normal?
2016-11-11T19:37:04 < Kliment> kakimir: cdt and whatever compiler package you are using
2016-11-11T19:37:06 < englishman> i went down the list of all 1151 cpus, they are all 16 lanes
2016-11-11T19:37:14 < englishman> but it appears z170 'adds' four more
2016-11-11T19:37:26 < kakimir> I need to install gcc seperatelly?
2016-11-11T19:37:31 < zyp> englishman, 16 that's normally used for gpu as either 1x16 or 2x8, and another 4 for other shit
2016-11-11T19:37:31 < Kliment> kakimir: Yep
2016-11-11T19:37:47 < Kliment> kakimir: mingw or msys, if you're targeting windows
2016-11-11T19:38:06 < englishman> ok, how do i know which are connected to the PCH and which to the CPU?
2016-11-11T19:38:24 < englishman> ie, if i have two gfx x8 each, plus blackmagic x4, plus x4 m.2 drive, is this going to work?
2016-11-11T19:38:39 < englishman> because mobos don't seem to tell you which pci-e are disabled if you have pci-e m2
2016-11-11T19:39:12 < kakimir> eclipse plugin wont install mingw?
2016-11-11T19:39:18 < englishman> i'm asking cuz, my mobo doesn't have any x4 slots free, i need to upgrade
2016-11-11T19:39:39 < zyp> englishman, also, pcie switches are a thing
2016-11-11T19:40:00 < zyp> but idk, I haven't kept up with shit for a couple of years
2016-11-11T19:40:38 < englishman> apparently z170 adds 20 lanes itself?
2016-11-11T19:40:42 < englishman> so 36 total lanes
2016-11-11T19:41:50 < zyp> hmm, looks like gpu is hooked directly to cpu and the other lanes goes through chipset, yes
2016-11-11T19:42:03 < ReadErr> thats why you dont buy gay 6700k trash cpus
2016-11-11T19:42:08 < ReadErr> 2011v3
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2016-11-11T19:42:36 < zyp> ah
2016-11-11T19:42:48 < zyp> the chipset link is equivalent to four lanes in capacity
2016-11-11T19:43:14 < kakimir> mingw64 installation asks hard question seh or sjlj?
2016-11-11T19:43:15 < englishman> thru dma3.0
2016-11-11T19:43:19 < zyp> yes
2016-11-11T19:43:29 < zyp> so chipset supports 20 lanes, but you can only saturate four at a time
2016-11-11T19:43:33 < zyp> that's reasonable
2016-11-11T19:43:56 < englishman> so two x8 gfx cards + dongmagic i'm OK
2016-11-11T19:44:05 < zyp> should be
2016-11-11T19:44:08 < englishman> kool
2016-11-11T19:44:21 < zyp> as long as you're not saturating the DMI link
2016-11-11T19:44:25 < englishman> might as well updong ssd size while i'm at it, prices have halved
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2016-11-11T20:08:06 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/d8c334d91a939327d8daf45181f9aba8c49d0c393a15c77afd39904b5a85b428.jpg
2016-11-11T20:08:16 < Laurenceb> attn stvn
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2016-11-11T20:16:53 < Tectu> stop Laurenceb 
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2016-11-11T20:19:19 < kakimir> okay I have only cross compile project and arm project
2016-11-11T20:19:37 < kakimir> should I have some mingw project?
2016-11-11T20:20:37 < Steffanx> visual c++
2016-11-11T20:20:53 < kakimir> why it has visual word in it?
2016-11-11T20:21:01 < kakimir> and my code is C
2016-11-11T20:21:10 < Rickta59> the other version required a hercules graphics card
2016-11-11T20:21:10 < kakimir> confusing
2016-11-11T20:21:42 < kakimir> remember voodoo III graphics card?
2016-11-11T20:21:54 < Rickta59> i do
2016-11-11T20:21:58 < Rickta59> not that i could afford one
2016-11-11T20:22:13 < Steffanx> I was still a little boy playing soccer outside when that was a thing.
2016-11-11T20:22:35 < kakimir> I too until I had that card
2016-11-11T20:22:41 < Rickta59> i'm sure i have some early isa video card lying aroudn that cost me $400
2016-11-11T20:22:47 < Rickta59> that had maybe 16MB of memory
2016-11-11T20:23:02 < kakimir> why you have it?
2016-11-11T20:23:16 < Rickta59> i can't bear to throw those things out
2016-11-11T20:23:24 < Rickta59> they are to remind never to buy the latest thing
2016-11-11T20:23:36 < Rickta59> * resist .. resist
2016-11-11T20:24:32 < Steffanx> I never ever bought the latest thing. No latest GPU that is, but mainly because im not a gamer
2016-11-11T20:24:46 < englishman> obligatory http://www.planetdognine.com/features/humor/files/bfast.jpg
2016-11-11T20:24:49 < kakimir> you have too much money and too little your own opinion if you need to buy all the most and newest thing right away
2016-11-11T20:25:16 < Steffanx> blalba kakimir.
2016-11-11T20:25:25 < Steffanx> too little of your own opinion -_-
2016-11-11T20:25:44 < kakimir> I mean..
2016-11-11T20:26:38 < kakimir> that part of brain that tells you clearly what you need and will be utilized is turned off
2016-11-11T20:26:57 < Steffanx> Or you just have money.
2016-11-11T20:27:12 < kakimir> you can do many things with money
2016-11-11T20:27:19 < englishman> sli bitches http://helppage.3dfx.sk/image004.jpg
2016-11-11T20:27:30 < Rickta59> sorry i mentioned it .. 
2016-11-11T20:28:03 < Steffanx> Hehe rickta
2016-11-11T20:28:08 < Rickta59> anyways it is called visual because it include mfc i think
2016-11-11T20:28:19 < kakimir> mfc?
2016-11-11T20:28:27 < Rickta59> microsoft foundation class
2016-11-11T20:28:34 < Rickta59> gui api for writing windows crap
2016-11-11T20:28:46 < kakimir> ohh
2016-11-11T20:28:56 < kakimir> should have known
2016-11-11T20:31:07 < Rickta59> also i think it was part of the visual studio first suite .. c++ & java ... so everything was visual then
2016-11-11T20:31:24 < decimad> it is still part of current studios
2016-11-11T20:31:27 < Rickta59> i could be wrong about that
2016-11-11T20:31:29 < Rickta59> java?
2016-11-11T20:31:33 < decimad> no, mfc
2016-11-11T20:31:34 < Rickta59> * been so long for me
2016-11-11T20:31:36 < Rickta59> ah ..
2016-11-11T20:31:38 < Rickta59> yes
2016-11-11T20:31:42 < decimad> the won't do java now that they have .net
2016-11-11T20:32:22 < Rickta59> prior to vcc you had to develop in dos
2016-11-11T20:32:27 < Rickta59> even for windows
2016-11-11T20:33:41 < Rickta59> hence my immediate time travel back to hercules graphics card for debugging and a cga adapter for display
2016-11-11T20:34:42 < Rickta59> which is kinda not as good as an $6 tft video display
2016-11-11T20:35:03 < kakimir> only bigger
2016-11-11T20:35:18 < Rickta59> speak for yourself i think my display was like 14"
2016-11-11T20:35:30 < Rickta59> * can't remember
2016-11-11T20:38:21 < Rickta59> http://www.nec-display.com/ap/en_display/25th/ yeah it was 14"
2016-11-11T20:38:48 < kakimir> sure or even smaller ones
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2016-11-11T20:47:14 < jpa-> http://techdocs.altium.com/display/ALEG/Freeware+downloads   thanks hackaday, i didn't know there was a freeware version of altium! :)
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2016-11-11T21:18:16 < TheSeven> hmm, I'm trying to hunt down some inexplicable current draw on one of my PCBs and running out of ideas
2016-11-11T21:18:32 < TheSeven> STM32F072 in STOP mode, drawing some 960µA
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2016-11-11T21:21:01 < TheSeven> there isn't much else on the board that could be drawing it - most of the board is gated off using a PFET in sleep mode
2016-11-11T21:21:45 < zyp> STOP mode implies all gpios being reset, i.e. floating?
2016-11-11T21:21:57 < zyp> so there's not any weird sourcing/sinking there
2016-11-11T21:22:30 < zyp> do you have a schematic?
2016-11-11T21:22:58 < Steffanx> i believe they advice somewhere to make those pins analog in.
2016-11-11T21:25:58 < ReadErr> lol for DOS jpa- ?
2016-11-11T21:26:47 < Steffanx> Does it run on mac?
2016-11-11T21:27:55 < ReadErr> yea you need to use git commit 23423498dfg8dfg89345983e9f8sg9ds8fg98 version of wine though
2016-11-11T21:29:11 < TheSeven> zyp: nope, just standby floats the GPIOs - which will make it draw around 2000µA
2016-11-11T21:29:42 < TheSeven> Steffanx: analog in seemed to kill the internal pulldowns that would keep some pins from floating - didn't seem to make a change in current consumption
2016-11-11T21:31:21 < TheSeven> schematic: http://i.imgur.com/8tCh02n.png
2016-11-11T21:31:50 < TheSeven> I'm measuring on the battery input
2016-11-11T21:31:57 < TheSeven> (CN2, bottom left)
2016-11-11T21:33:10 < TheSeven> some things aren't actually populated, especially the xtal
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2016-11-11T21:34:49 < TheSeven> the only thing that's floating are the USB pins, and they seem to have some weak pull-ups
2016-11-11T21:35:30 < kakimir> bus ride home
2016-11-11T21:37:16 < Steffanx> 3 red bananas kakimir
2016-11-11T21:37:17 < TheSeven> so what I'm doing is locking out IRQs, setting BDRST, LPDS, CWUF and SLEEPDEEP to 1, then WFI
2016-11-11T21:37:27 < TheSeven> that should put it in stop mode IIUC
2016-11-11T21:37:59 < TheSeven> I've checked all pins that are physically present on that package, none are floating
2016-11-11T21:38:16 < TheSeven> I'm wondering if I might have to take care of pins that aren't actually eposed by the package?
2016-11-11T21:38:27 < TheSeven> i.e. ports C/D on LQFP48
2016-11-11T21:41:23 < zyp> they're still on the die
2016-11-11T21:41:37 < kakimir> Steffanx: your weird
2016-11-11T21:41:58 < Steffanx> i just like to say random things, like you.
2016-11-11T21:42:27 < kakimir> your weird
2016-11-11T21:43:51 < Steffanx> *you're weird.
2016-11-11T21:44:05 < Rob235> well done.
2016-11-11T21:45:35 < TheSeven> zyp: enabling internal pull-downs increases current by ~100µA
2016-11-11T21:45:43 < TheSeven> enabling internal pull-ups doesn't seem to make a change
2016-11-11T21:45:58 < TheSeven> so I guess they have some kind of very weak internal pull-up if they aren't on the package
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2016-11-11T21:50:15 < TheSeven> damn, I can't really think of anything else
2016-11-11T21:50:35 < TheSeven> I'm starting to think that it might be not actually the processor but some flux residue or something
2016-11-11T21:50:46 < TheSeven> but 920µA? come on
2016-11-11T21:53:51 < TheSeven> it's also fluctuating a bit, right now jumping around between 910 and 925µA, but I've seen 960 earlier
2016-11-11T21:54:25 < zyp> and you are 100% certain it's the chip drawing that current?
2016-11-11T21:54:40 < Rickta59> how are you measuring the current TheSeven 
2016-11-11T21:54:51 < zyp> oh, I forgot to look at the schematic
2016-11-11T21:55:11 < TheSeven> zyp: no, I'm not 100% certain, but I can't really think of anything else
2016-11-11T21:55:47 < TheSeven> the Vsensor/Vmic rails read 0.0V, so I don't think anything is leaking through those FETs
2016-11-11T21:56:10 < TheSeven> I'm inserting 5V through a multimeter at Vbatt
2016-11-11T21:56:26 < Rickta59> do you have another different multimeter?
2016-11-11T21:56:35 < TheSeven> the charger chip shouldn't backfeed anything or drain much at all
2016-11-11T21:56:40 < TheSeven> the LDO is like 1µA quiescent
2016-11-11T21:56:57 < TheSeven> I've removed the NRF24L01+ radio module, didn't change anything at all
2016-11-11T21:57:20 < TheSeven> (but having it plugged in prevents the IRQ pin from floating, which is NOT an open drain output on the radio for some reason)
2016-11-11T21:57:26 < TheSeven> Rickta59: yes
2016-11-11T21:57:33 < Rickta59> same?
2016-11-11T21:58:32 < TheSeven> reading 20µA more on another meter
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2016-11-11T21:58:43 < TheSeven> hm, or more like 10
2016-11-11T21:59:05 < TheSeven> the difference is down in the noise, as I said it's jumping around by a few tens of µA
2016-11-11T22:00:08 < zyp> cute trick with USB_ID
2016-11-11T22:03:30 < TheSeven> ok, just tried injecting some current into Vsensor and Vmic - with a 2.2Mohm pull-up those slowly creep up to ~700mV which they don't do without that - so there's definitely nothing leaking through those
2016-11-11T22:03:59 < zyp> Vext is unloaded, but still turned off, I assume?
2016-11-11T22:04:11 < TheSeven> the FET isn't even present
2016-11-11T22:04:28 < zyp> and neither is the pullup?
2016-11-11T22:04:44 < TheSeven> all the EXT stuff isn't populated, as well as R7, R18, R13, ...
2016-11-11T22:05:07 < TheSeven> yup, and it should be pulled up by the MCU anyway
2016-11-11T22:05:38 < zyp> hmm, can't see where it's leaking then, apart from in the mcu itself
2016-11-11T22:05:52 < TheSeven> ...or some kind of crap under a chip or something
2016-11-11T22:05:55 < TheSeven> bad cap
2016-11-11T22:05:59 < zyp> tried checking if it's vcc or avcc?
2016-11-11T22:06:15 < TheSeven> no, haven't yet, but that's a good point, easy enough to do
2016-11-11T22:06:31 < TheSeven> actually let me see if I can easily cut off VCC to the MCU somewhere completely
2016-11-11T22:06:34 < TheSeven> but I don't think so
2016-11-11T22:11:34 < PaulFertser> TheSeven: is debug adapter never connected after power cycling?
2016-11-11T22:12:16 < TheSeven> PaulFertser: played with that, didn't seem to make a change
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2016-11-11T22:12:21 < TheSeven> maybe 10µA if at all
2016-11-11T22:12:51 < PaulFertser> TheSeven: what about pulling reset low externally, I wonder how much it consumes in that state?
2016-11-11T22:12:59 < TheSeven> way more
2016-11-11T22:13:27 < TheSeven> ~2800µA
2016-11-11T22:14:17 < PaulFertser> With stm32l152 I didn't do anything special to unused pins, left all of them unconfigured (so it's high-Z input), and we're getting something on the few uAs order.
2016-11-11T22:15:04 < TheSeven> I had quite a bit of fun with issues like that on some other board already
2016-11-11T22:15:14 < TheSeven> brought it down to like ~7µA in the end
2016-11-11T22:15:22 < TheSeven> but there was a lot of traps until I was there
2016-11-11T22:18:15 < PaulFertser> Funny, we did it for the first time and it all worked as expected.
2016-11-11T22:19:37 < TheSeven> VDDa current is ~2.4µA
2016-11-11T22:19:40 < TheSeven> seems reasonable
2016-11-11T22:19:59 < TheSeven> PaulFertser: maybe it's easier on L series
2016-11-11T22:20:17 < PaulFertser> Most probably so
2016-11-11T22:26:39 < TheSeven> hmmmm
2016-11-11T22:26:51 < TheSeven> if I insert 3.3V after the LDO it's just 350µA
2016-11-11T22:26:57 < TheSeven> so it isn't just the STM32
2016-11-11T22:27:23 < bvernoux> I have tested the STM32L053 power consumption today
2016-11-11T22:27:29 < bvernoux> and it is really impressive
2016-11-11T22:27:36 < bvernoux> 400nA in STOP mode ;)
2016-11-11T22:27:44 < TheSeven> feeds back 3.25V into Vbatt
2016-11-11T22:28:18 < bvernoux> mesurement done with a µCurrent Gold
2016-11-11T22:28:26 < bvernoux> so ST specification are correct ;)
2016-11-11T22:28:30 < TheSeven> maybe the charger doesn't like 5V on the bat pin
2016-11-11T22:28:48 < TheSeven> absolute max is specified as 7V
2016-11-11T22:29:20 < TheSeven> anyway, this current depends on the Vbat voltage, so there's something leaking on that rail
2016-11-11T22:29:41 < TheSeven> I might remove the LDO and check Vcc consumption after that
2016-11-11T22:31:05 < bvernoux> if you are using an LDO and you do 5V => 3.3V
2016-11-11T22:31:38 < bvernoux> efficiency will be never better than 70% ...
2016-11-11T22:32:46 < TheSeven> li-polymer to 3.3V in the application
2016-11-11T22:33:02 < bvernoux> so you are using a boost
2016-11-11T22:33:11 < bvernoux> as lipo is 2.7V IIRC
2016-11-11T22:33:27 < zyp> 3.7
2016-11-11T22:33:39 < TheSeven> I can live with Vcc dropping to 2.9V or something, so I get like 95% of the capacity out of it
2016-11-11T22:34:07 < bvernoux> anyway good boost converter are very efficient up to 95%
2016-11-11T22:34:13 < zyp> bvernoux, smps efficiency is pretty bad at microamp load
2016-11-11T22:34:22 < zyp> so LDOs are usually better for sleep supplies
2016-11-11T22:34:31 < bvernoux> ha yes at µA load it is a big problem
2016-11-11T22:34:41 < TheSeven> and given that this has a fairly wide current range (~20µA sleep to 50mA operation) and board space constraints, and battery runtime is only a secondary concern, it's just not worth a buck converter
2016-11-11T22:35:01 < bvernoux> ha ok I have not seen it is an ultra low power device behind
2016-11-11T22:35:23 < TheSeven> I'm just annoyed by it drawing 900µA instead of 20 :P
2016-11-11T22:35:27 < bvernoux> IIRC there is some specialized ldo for that
2016-11-11T22:35:32 < TheSeven> removed the LDO => 6.0µA
2016-11-11T22:35:35 < TheSeven> so this is a Vbat thing
2016-11-11T22:35:53 < TheSeven> I'm starting to suspect that it's going through that proximity sensor's LED
2016-11-11T22:36:12 < TheSeven> I would have expected to see that pull up Vsensor a bit, but apparently not
2016-11-11T22:36:15 < bvernoux> how to do you measure 350uA ?
2016-11-11T22:36:24 < bvernoux> as it requires special tools for such measurement
2016-11-11T22:36:39 < TheSeven> ~$30 multimeter?
2016-11-11T22:37:01 < bvernoux> so it does not work
2016-11-11T22:37:07 < bvernoux> because of burden voltage
2016-11-11T22:37:31 < bvernoux> it is really hard to have correct measurement with low current
2016-11-11T22:37:31 < TheSeven> do I care whether I measure that at 3.30V or 3.27V?
2016-11-11T22:37:44 < TheSeven> that was also one of the reasons why I was measuring on the battery rail *before* the LDO
2016-11-11T22:37:57 < bvernoux> check that
2016-11-11T22:37:57 < bvernoux> https://www.eevblog.com/projects/ucurrent/
2016-11-11T22:38:04 < TheSeven> I know the µCurrent
2016-11-11T22:38:09 < bvernoux> I'm using one and it provide good measurement
2016-11-11T22:39:53 < bvernoux> especially for nA measurement ;)
2016-11-11T22:40:08 < bvernoux> I have measured 401nA vs datasheet 400nA ;)
2016-11-11T22:40:34 < zyp> why would he be interested in measuring nanoamps when his circuit draws almost a milliamp?
2016-11-11T22:40:48 < TheSeven> zyp: definitely the LED - my phone can see it glow
2016-11-11T22:40:55 < bvernoux> in STOP mode it is interesting to check the MCU ;)
2016-11-11T22:41:07 < zyp> TheSeven, haha, which led and how is it hooked up?
2016-11-11T22:41:27 < bvernoux> but anyway if the other part of the circuit have power consumption of n mA it is an other problem
2016-11-11T22:41:32 < TheSeven> inside the APDS-9960 (U7)
2016-11-11T22:41:46 < TheSeven> datasheet says: LED Supply Voltage VBATT 2.5 to 4.5 V
2016-11-11T22:42:19 < upgrdman> i've got an analog signal, 0V - 5V, that i need to connect to another trace sometimes. relay would work but seems overkill for a signal. is SSR the only option other than relay?
2016-11-11T22:42:20 < TheSeven> which I overlooked when testing with 5V, but I wouldn't expect those extra 0.5V to permanently damage the driver
2016-11-11T22:42:34 < upgrdman> i'd use a p-mosfet but i have no negative voltage rail
2016-11-11T22:42:57 < TheSeven> up analog mux?
2016-11-11T22:43:03 < bvernoux> TheSeven, lot of circuit which are 5V tolerant are not 5.5V tolerant
2016-11-11T22:43:20 < bvernoux> it is why it is very important to limit overshoot ..
2016-11-11T22:43:23 < zyp> yeah, analog mux/switch is the obvious answer
2016-11-11T22:43:26 < bvernoux> the same for undershoot
2016-11-11T22:43:32 < upgrdman> TheSeven, ya that's work. a could jsut leave one pin of the mux floatin
2016-11-11T22:50:14 < ohsix> lul you can interact with someone on facebook in such a way that facebook will tombstone the account and say you've died
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2016-11-11T22:57:54 < ohsix> https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/neo-nazi-promo-adult-swim-million-dollar-extreme
2016-11-11T23:00:48 < Steffanx> Can you rename to Laurenceb___ please?
2016-11-11T23:01:28  * karlp grins
2016-11-11T23:05:42 < karlp> TheSeven: what's the usb_id trick? is that a host normally, and if you use a device cable you get it to reboot into bootloader mode?
2016-11-11T23:07:32 < zyp> karlp, opposite, ID is floating in B end
2016-11-11T23:08:01 < zyp> F072 can't do host either way
2016-11-11T23:08:35 < zyp> programming cable with ID grounded is obviously nonstandard
2016-11-11T23:09:45 < zyp> or just plug in an OTG adapter that's left unconnected, reset chip and switch to a normal usb cable
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2016-11-12T00:02:32 < TheSeven> zyp: fixed it. swapped these sensors on two boards
2016-11-12T00:02:37 < TheSeven> now it works on both
2016-11-12T00:02:43 < TheSeven> must have been some bridging below it
2016-11-12T00:02:50 < TheSeven> or flux crap
2016-11-12T00:03:10 < zyp> haha
2016-11-12T00:03:57 < TheSeven> karlp: actually you have to pull it to 3.3V (or 5V for that matter) to enter programming mode
2016-11-12T00:04:07 < TheSeven> which no usual USB cables will do (they either have it floating or pulled down)
2016-11-12T00:04:21 < Thorn> is aliexpress solder wire generally good quality?
2016-11-12T00:04:39 < TheSeven> but that way you can make a programming jig that has that tied to the supply voltage pin, and it will come up in bootloader mode
2016-11-12T00:05:18 < jadew> NSFW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr462mFfEDo
2016-11-12T00:05:39 < TheSeven> so now I'm at 26.7µA - no idea where all of that is going, I could think of things that drain like 12µA or so - but now it's small enough that I don't care about it ;)
2016-11-12T00:05:40 < jadew> very NSFW
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2016-11-12T00:12:00 < Thorn> someone told me they got Chinese solder that forms blobs when melted and doesn't flow at all
2016-11-12T00:12:37 < zyp> sounds like lack of flux
2016-11-12T00:14:30 < jadew> http://imgur.com/a/3vVDE
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2016-11-12T00:27:14 < ohsix> hm
2016-11-12T00:27:23 < ohsix> might legit use screen password locking for the first time
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2016-11-12T00:50:52 < jadew> next up: "Voltage and current"
2016-11-12T00:52:23 < jadew> his videos don't capture my attention anymore
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2016-11-12T00:52:28 < jadew> some of the older stuff was good
2016-11-12T00:52:44 < jadew> but seriously, schmitt trigger?
2016-11-12T00:58:25 < ReadErr> https://i.redd.it/9k9lahuncuwx.jpg
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2016-11-12T00:59:43 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/5fac99617175cbf97610206755fcc14fbeac4be8b3864b9ffb5b1bf67ef35f49.png
2016-11-12T01:00:45 < jadew> Laurenceb_, did you see my link?
2016-11-12T01:01:03 < jadew> I thougt it would change your mind on feminism
2016-11-12T01:01:23 < Laurenceb_> link pls
2016-11-12T01:01:41 < jadew> NSFW alert
2016-11-12T01:01:42 < jadew> [00:05.19] <jadew> NSFW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr462mFfEDo
2016-11-12T01:02:17 < Laurenceb_> lul already seen
2016-11-12T01:02:52 < jadew> I think this sort of activism should be promoted more
2016-11-12T01:03:39 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: show me more britt land photos
2016-11-12T01:04:23 < Laurenceb_> google is your friend
2016-11-12T01:04:59 < kakimir> is it?
2016-11-12T01:05:54 < jadew> Laurenceb_, that's the uncensored version (in case you
2016-11-12T01:05:59 < jadew> 've seen the other one)
2016-11-12T01:06:04 < kakimir> jadew: good lookin female
2016-11-12T01:06:19 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-12T01:06:58 < kakimir> jesus
2016-11-12T01:07:06 < jadew> haha
2016-11-12T01:07:57 < kakimir> those grabs
2016-11-12T01:08:05 < kakimir> not shy at all
2016-11-12T01:08:11 < jadew> yeah :)
2016-11-12T01:09:26 < Laurenceb_> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1c9_1404700630
2016-11-12T01:10:29 < jadew> Laurenceb_, I only saw a picture of that one
2016-11-12T01:11:06 < jadew> wtf, it's censored
2016-11-12T01:11:56 < jadew> she's super hot
2016-11-12T01:12:40 < Laurenceb_> super mental
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2016-11-12T01:13:27 < kakimir> yes
2016-11-12T01:15:44 < Laurenceb_> truly epic kek
2016-11-12T01:15:45 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/37948946/new-balance-trainer-wearers-bin-and-burn-their-shoes-over-trump
2016-11-12T01:15:53 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I don't think that's possible
2016-11-12T01:15:55 < Laurenceb_> Trump made people set their expensive shit on fire
2016-11-12T01:16:06 < ohsix> the united states wasn't cheap
2016-11-12T01:16:08 < Laurenceb_> literally
2016-11-12T01:16:12 < Laurenceb_> shaking
2016-11-12T01:16:49 < jadew> my youtube recommendations are filled with stuff like that for some reason
2016-11-12T01:17:09 < ohsix> jadew: you can remove garbage that mucks up your suggestions in the history
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2016-11-12T01:19:55 < jadew> Laurenceb_, idiots
2016-11-12T01:20:15 < jadew> I think there's a major issue with people's inability to separate issues
2016-11-12T01:22:14 < jadew> anyway, I think some of the stuff he's going at are wrong 
2016-11-12T01:22:28 < jadew> for example on the immigration issue, it's all backwards
2016-11-12T01:22:35 < jadew> illegal immigrants == good
2016-11-12T01:22:48 < jadew> legal immigrants == bad
2016-11-12T01:23:00 < jadew> because legal immingrants usually go there for welfare
2016-11-12T01:23:16 < Laurenceb_> lulz
2016-11-12T01:23:30 < Laurenceb_>  "deport the legal immigrants and let the others in"
2016-11-12T01:23:57 < jadew> well, not deport them, but stricter immigration rules could be helpful for any country
2016-11-12T01:24:04 < Laurenceb_> x-prize for the best illegal border crossing
2016-11-12T01:24:08 < aandrew> I think it's awesome that people are burning their shit
2016-11-12T01:24:16 < aandrew> see, trump is already stimulating the economy!
2016-11-12T01:24:44 < Laurenceb_> live border crossing gladiator deathmatches with web stream
2016-11-12T01:24:52 < Laurenceb_> this could make megabucks
2016-11-12T01:25:13 < jadew> on the other hand, most illegal immigrants go there to work, no?
2016-11-12T01:25:38 < Laurenceb_> yes, but they work in dodgy industries
2016-11-12T01:25:42 < Laurenceb_> like Trump hotels
2016-11-12T01:25:45 < jadew> so they perform shitty jobs, without costing the state anything
2016-11-12T01:26:51 < jadew> seems like a good deal to me
2016-11-12T01:27:29 < jadew> I mean... I can't see the downside, because it's not like they'll be able to take anyone's job, all the jobs worth having will require some sort of paper trail
2016-11-12T01:27:31 < aandrew> we
2016-11-12T01:27:34 < aandrew> well
2016-11-12T01:27:46 < aandrew> unemployment is up and everywone whines that they can't get jobs because illegal immigrants
2016-11-12T01:27:53 < aandrew> but they would not go and do those jobs anyway
2016-11-12T01:27:58 < jadew> precisely
2016-11-12T01:28:00 < aandrew> that's always been my beef with that particular complaint
2016-11-12T01:28:32 < jadew> on the other hand, these sort of trade policies, which make it easier to build shit overseas, do take jobs
2016-11-12T01:28:33 < Laurenceb_> I dont think thats really true
2016-11-12T01:28:46 < Laurenceb_> e.g. near me food processing plants all use illegal workers
2016-11-12T01:28:59 < Laurenceb_> about 15 years ago they didnt, and made the same products
2016-11-12T01:29:07 < jadew> and not only that they give the jobs away, but none of the money come back
2016-11-12T01:29:16 < Laurenceb_> it just cost them more as they couldnt exploit the workers via agencies
2016-11-12T01:29:22 < aandrew> I don't think it's true either
2016-11-12T01:29:40 < aandrew> do you really think the future of the middle class is in low wage assembly type of work?
2016-11-12T01:29:41 < Laurenceb_> all the staff are dodgy agencies that tax dodge and pay below minimum wage
2016-11-12T01:29:59 < Laurenceb_> nope, but thats not the point
2016-11-12T01:30:28 < Laurenceb_> its working class jobs in food processing
2016-11-12T01:30:59 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: ok, and are you willing to buy a product that is 2x the cost of a made in china product because you have to pay your local workforce $15/hr
2016-11-12T01:31:02 < aandrew> that's the problem
2016-11-12T01:31:05 < Kliment> So why aren't the laws enforced against the shit agencies?
2016-11-12T01:31:09 < aandrew> everyone wants high wages and cheap products
2016-11-12T01:31:15 < Laurenceb_> non of this changes the fact that Trump is just the sort of person to use illegal workers and agencies
2016-11-12T01:31:17 < Kliment> aandrew: Automation!
2016-11-12T01:31:30 < aandrew> Kliment: how the hell does automation help employ the unwashed masses?
2016-11-12T01:31:39 < Kliment> aandrew: It brings down cost of living
2016-11-12T01:31:49 < jadew> Laurenceb_, if the locals would accept those wages, they could get a job too
2016-11-12T01:31:52 < aandrew> you have *some* more jobs in installation, programming and maintenance of said automation
2016-11-12T01:32:04 < Kliment> aandrew: And if you have enough automation you don't need to employ anyone - you can institute universal basic income
2016-11-12T01:32:08 < aandrew> on a side note, I fucking love zacusca
2016-11-12T01:32:24 < aandrew> Kliment: where do the funds for UBI come from?
2016-11-12T01:32:27 < jadew> aandrew, haha, I love it too
2016-11-12T01:32:41 < aandrew> jadew: nice!
2016-11-12T01:32:47 < Kliment> aandrew: land use taxation, emissions taxes, energy taxes
2016-11-12T01:32:49 < aandrew> if I don't watch myself I wil eat an entire jar in one sitting
2016-11-12T01:32:57 < jadew> aandrew, same here
2016-11-12T01:33:11 < aandrew> Kliment: and who pays these taxes?
2016-11-12T01:33:15 < Laurenceb_> jadew: fair point I guess, but for locals it makes more economic sense to go on benefits
2016-11-12T01:33:28 < Laurenceb_> as benefits are better than illegal <minimum wage jobs
2016-11-12T01:33:38 < Kliment> aandrew: Whoever owns the land, whoever uses energy, whoever produces emissions
2016-11-12T01:34:00 < Kliment> aandrew: UBI is just a replacement for minimum wage jobs in this case
2016-11-12T01:34:00 < aandrew> Kliment: sure, and they raise prices to cover these taxes, which makes UBI less effective, so you raise UBI, and raise taxes, and raise prices...
2016-11-12T01:34:27 < Kliment> aandrew: It's not like minimum wage jobs were ever a huge tax base
2016-11-12T01:35:14 < Kliment> aandrew: Most people will probably be earning on top, but it's far cheaper to have UBI than it is to have structural unemployment
2016-11-12T01:35:27 < PeterM> i wonder how many illegals sit around on irc and talk shit all day
2016-11-12T01:35:40 < Kliment> aandrew: Largely because structural unemployment fucks things up for people who are employed too
2016-11-12T01:35:41 < jadew> Laurenceb_, yeah, personally I think most workers in very developed countries have painted themselves into a coarner where they no longer have job security by providing value which is desired by various companies
2016-11-12T01:35:50 < jadew> *corner
2016-11-12T01:36:08 < jadew> so you can't say "Fuck you, I'll go get hired somewhere else"
2016-11-12T01:36:13 < jadew> that's a big problem if you can't say that
2016-11-12T01:36:23 < Kliment> jadew: UBI solves that problem too
2016-11-12T01:36:31 < jadew> Kliment, what's UBI?
2016-11-12T01:36:37 < aandrew> Kliment: I'm not saying UBI is bad necessarily, I'm saying that it requires a significant rethinking of our economy
2016-11-12T01:36:38 < Kliment> jadew: Universal basic income
2016-11-12T01:36:55 < jadew> Kliment, is that like minimum wage?
2016-11-12T01:37:00 < Kliment> jadew: No
2016-11-12T01:37:12 < aandrew> jadew: agreed
2016-11-12T01:37:20 < Kliment> jadew: It's more like everyone gets a fixed size payment whether they work or not
2016-11-12T01:37:24 < aandrew> that's why I'm very happy to be a bit of a mercenary 
2016-11-12T01:37:39 < Kliment> jadew: And if you work you get to keep what you make on top of that
2016-11-12T01:37:39 < aandrew> my skills are always needed and the more I work the more experience I gain, which makes me more valuable
2016-11-12T01:38:21 < Kliment> aandrew: Structural unemployment, the existence of a working poor class, and mass automation also require a significant rethinking of our economy
2016-11-12T01:38:29 < jadew> Kliment, who's paying for the ones that don't work?
2016-11-12T01:38:45 < aandrew> Kliment: yes, but it's the devil we know. (not trying to make light of it)
2016-11-12T01:39:14 < jadew> Kliment, I mean, it sounds like someone who works, would have to pay his own UBI thing + more
2016-11-12T01:39:24 < jadew> not entirely sure how that would work
2016-11-12T01:39:28 < Kliment> jadew: Only if you think of income as the tax base
2016-11-12T01:39:40 < Kliment> jadew: But the share of income as tax base is shrinking
2016-11-12T01:40:25 < jadew> Kliment, what if a big chunk of the population gets unemployed because... robots?
2016-11-12T01:40:27 < Kliment> jadew: Income in general is shrinking in industrialized countries as the input of human work goes down
2016-11-12T01:41:19 < Kliment> jadew: Which is why the tax base shifts to capital gains tax, usage taxes (carbon tax, energy tax) and restricted asset taxing (land use tax, radio spectrum)
2016-11-12T01:41:24 < jadew> Kliment, how is it different from welfare?
2016-11-12T01:41:37 < Kliment> jadew: Welfare is conditional on poverty
2016-11-12T01:41:52 < Kliment> jadew: This means that if you're on welfare and you get a job, you lose your welfare
2016-11-12T01:42:05 < Kliment> jadew: So unless the job pays more it's not worth doing it
2016-11-12T01:42:23 < Kliment> jadew: With UBI, that disincentive is gone
2016-11-12T01:42:31 < Kliment> jadew: Also, welfare is socially stigmatized
2016-11-12T01:42:41 < jadew> Kliment, yeah, but I don't see how that would work
2016-11-12T01:42:48 < jadew> where does that money come from?
2016-11-12T01:42:55 < jadew> you can't pay everyone $2k
2016-11-12T01:43:04 < jadew> and then they get a salary of $2k
2016-11-12T01:43:06 < Kliment> jadew: Land use taxes, consumption taxes, energy taxes, pollution taxes
2016-11-12T01:43:07 < jadew> and now they get 4k
2016-11-12T01:43:16 < jadew> where does the initial 4k come from?
2016-11-12T01:43:44 < jadew> Kliment, so the plan is to suck dry companies?
2016-11-12T01:43:47 < Kliment> jadew: Basically taxing capital and (on an environment scale) depreciation rather than income
2016-11-12T01:44:04 < Kliment> jadew: The current setup is sucking dry employees
2016-11-12T01:44:33 < jadew> Kliment, that's precisely who would get suck dry in that scenario too, with the added "benefit" that it might prevent some companies from even existing in the first place
2016-11-12T01:44:36 < Kliment> jadew: As the share of labour input in the production chain drops, the tax income from labour is dropping too
2016-11-12T01:44:57 < Kliment> jadew: So either governments shut down or they find new sources of income
2016-11-12T01:45:00 < jadew> if a company is going to plan for proffit, the expenses will have to come either from the product price (consumers)
2016-11-12T01:45:06 < jadew> or from the employee's paychecks
2016-11-12T01:45:10 < jadew> (less money)
2016-11-12T01:45:23 < jadew> no matter how you plan to tax this, it will come from everyone's pocket
2016-11-12T01:45:37 < jadew> which is why it doesn't make sense to me
2016-11-12T01:45:44  * KreAture_Zzz has just gone nuts on aliexpress
2016-11-12T01:45:45 < Kliment> jadew: Sure, as will the costs of dealing with structural unemployment otherwise
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2016-11-12T01:45:53 < KreAture_> wanted some more boards
2016-11-12T01:46:13 < Kliment> jadew: But you can't go on with the current model, it just isn't sustainable
2016-11-12T01:46:39 < jadew> Kliment, I agree, but this UBI thing doesn't seem possible, maybe I'm missing something tho
2016-11-12T01:46:57 < jadew> + if you tax companies into non-existence, they'll just move
2016-11-12T01:46:59 < jadew> and then you get nothing
2016-11-12T01:47:12 < KreAture_> 407, 429, 746
2016-11-12T01:47:26 < KreAture_> also had to get som more core boards for f030
2016-11-12T01:47:27 < Kliment> jadew: You can tax land use
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2016-11-12T01:47:30 < KreAture_> ;)
2016-11-12T01:47:33 < Kliment> jadew: Land can't move
2016-11-12T01:47:49 < Kliment> jadew: And land use is extremely inefficient in many countries
2016-11-12T01:47:53 < jadew> Kliment, it doesn't have to, they'll just move to another country
2016-11-12T01:48:06 < Kliment> jadew: Which makes your UBI cheaper :P
2016-11-12T01:48:17 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: True, true
2016-11-12T01:48:39 < Kliment> Anyways, sleep time for me
2016-11-12T01:48:43 < jadew> night
2016-11-12T01:50:39 < jadew> to get back to the thing Laurenceb_ was talking about, I think that the current situation cannot be solved anymore in these well developed countries
2016-11-12T01:51:31 < jadew> it was an effect of globalization and open borders, but now even if you revert the causes, everyone knows you can find cheaper labor somewhere near, across the border
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2016-11-12T02:05:25 < jadew> took me 2 days, but my desk is clean
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2016-11-12T02:08:11 < TheSeven> what the heck
2016-11-12T02:08:29 < TheSeven> I'm trying to get sleep mode working, and it seems like after sleeping I can't access any GPIO pins anymore
2016-11-12T02:09:00 < TheSeven> what I'm doing is setting LPDS, CWUF and SLEEPDEEP, then WFI, then resetting SLEEPDEEP again
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2016-11-12T02:09:11 < TheSeven> if I replace the WFI by something that spins for a few seconds it works
2016-11-12T02:09:26 < TheSeven> other WFIs (which don't have sleepdeep=1) also work
2016-11-12T02:09:52 < TheSeven> but it seems like it actually wakes up after the sleep and continues running my code, just can't access pins anymore
2016-11-12T02:10:05 < dongs> your pins have been made inaccessible
2016-11-12T02:11:38 < TheSeven> f072, and I'm trying to enter STOP mode
2016-11-12T02:13:38 < TheSeven> hmm looks like it isn't actually GPIO...
2016-11-12T02:13:39 < dongs> which one turns everything off
2016-11-12T02:13:51 < TheSeven> but my "flashing LED" debugging behaves very weird
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2016-11-12T02:15:21 < TheSeven> it should start them back up on exit
2016-11-12T02:16:35 < TheSeven> hmm seems like it's actually the second time that I go into STOP mode that somehow locks up
2016-11-12T02:18:05  * TheSeven thinks this is either the RTC misbehaving or some IRQ / race condition thing
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2016-11-12T02:31:56 < TheSeven> another question, that PaulFertser might possibly know the answer to: openocd always loses control of the MCU when it's in stop mode, despite my attempt to set DBG_STOP by writing 6 to 0x40015804 
2016-11-12T02:32:35 < TheSeven> I do that using the following gdb command in the start sequence before flashing: set {int}0x40015804=6
2016-11-12T02:36:37 < karlp> I'd use somethin gin gdb's init handler rather than manually running somethign in gdb honestly.
2016-11-12T02:36:48 < karlp> also, does that affect stop? or just sleep?
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2016-11-12T02:42:52 < TheSeven> LeelooMinai: thanks for the hint about it switching back to HSI... it did indeed do that, but the actual problem was that an IRQ was hitting me too early after wakeup before I had fixed all of that
2016-11-12T02:43:16 < TheSeven> karlp: well eclipse throws that at gdb, so I don't care how often it does ;)
2016-11-12T02:43:29 < TheSeven> karlp: it doesn't affect sleep, just stop and standby
2016-11-12T02:43:43 < TheSeven> sleep doesn't need any special preparation
2016-11-12T02:46:00 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRVmMTlLHD8
2016-11-12T02:49:49 < jadew> haha, that's what follows "how to be an eastern european man"
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2016-11-12T02:50:45 < Laurenceb_> jadew: step 1) marry Mr Trump
2016-11-12T02:51:12 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJpaDTQujMg
2016-11-12T02:51:38 < jadew> we actually have people that dress like that
2016-11-12T02:51:48 < Laurenceb_> the next 4 years will have some amazing memes
2016-11-12T02:52:07 < Laurenceb_> wut
2016-11-12T02:52:17 < Laurenceb_> everyone dresses like that here in UK
2016-11-12T02:52:42 < Laurenceb_> http://media.thedailytouch.com/2015/06/chavs.jpg
2016-11-12T02:53:09 < jadew> yeah, we call them "cocalari" here
2016-11-12T02:53:18 < Laurenceb_> also, lulz 
2016-11-12T02:53:19 < Laurenceb_> https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/11/11/1911245/uk-bookstores-found-selling-banned-us-bomb-making-handbooks
2016-11-12T02:53:39 < Laurenceb_>  > available as free pdf download off us military sites
2016-11-12T02:54:27 < jadew> hehe, yeah
2016-11-12T02:54:32 < dongs> this was news on theregsiter like a week ago
2016-11-12T02:54:42 < dongs> slashdot, ancient news for nerds
2016-11-12T02:56:01 < jadew> http://img.9am.ro/comunitate/photos/1/3/0/1330311.jpg
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2016-11-12T02:57:44 < jadew> LeelooMinai, that looks normalish
2016-11-12T03:00:33 < jadew> that's rough
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2016-11-12T03:03:20 < jadew> we call all sports shoes addidas :D
2016-11-12T03:03:31 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/2OipVyv.jpg
2016-11-12T03:04:02 < BrainDamage> or just russia
2016-11-12T03:04:43 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/Xv7WZeQ.jpg
2016-11-12T03:04:55 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/2HJtaJg.jpg
2016-11-12T03:06:19 < jadew> well, in here you can get nike addidas
2016-11-12T03:06:53 < jadew> it would be just nike :P
2016-11-12T03:07:18 < jadew> or as I had when I was a kid, addidos
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2016-11-12T03:08:23 < jadew> yep
2016-11-12T03:08:57 < jadew> oh man, I have a t-shirt I hope my wife hasn't thrown out
2016-11-12T03:09:21 < jadew> brb, it's fantastic
2016-11-12T03:13:56 < Laurenceb_> https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Laci_Green
2016-11-12T03:15:22 < jadew> LeelooMinai, haha
2016-11-12T03:15:23 < upgrdman> in altidongs how do i have it auto assign ref-des's in the schematic sheets?
2016-11-12T03:17:22 < jadew> LeelooMinai, found it: http://188.26.146.119/stuff/20161112_031422.jpg
2016-11-12T03:17:59 < jadew> had this since I was about 13-14 yo
2016-11-12T03:19:06 < jadew> I used to wear it around the house, but it started breaking apart and I decided to preserve it
2016-11-12T03:19:25 < jadew> (not wear it anymore)
2016-11-12T03:20:39 < jadew> I normally wear stuff way past the point where everyone in my family is telling me I should get rid of them because I look like a bum
2016-11-12T03:21:11 < jadew> at one point I had a t-shirt where most of my belly was exposed
2016-11-12T03:21:23 < jadew> that's how big the wholes were
2016-11-12T03:21:26 < jadew> *holes
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2016-11-12T03:22:51 < jadew> yeah, I never understood that either
2016-11-12T03:23:38 < dongs> Ultrasauce: uh?
2016-11-12T03:23:40 < dongs> err
2016-11-12T03:23:48 < dongs> the fuck upgrdman
2016-11-12T03:23:51 < jadew> last time I went to buy some clothes my wife left me in the store by myself and when we met she got furious at me, I bought 4 of the same t-shirt, because I already had 2 at home that felt great :D
2016-11-12T03:24:56 < jadew> hah
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2016-11-12T03:27:03 < jadew> that's a good outfit, I like it
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2016-11-12T03:29:29 < Laurenceb_> zuckerberg
2016-11-12T03:29:48 < jadew> oh well, I decided the other week that I'll step up my look a bit, because I was looking at some vacation photos and there's a big discrepancy between the way I look and how my wife looks
2016-11-12T03:29:51  * Laurenceb_ has emailz from Zuckerberg and Milo in his inbox from before they were famous
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2016-11-12T03:30:01 < Laurenceb_> I'm clearly the real life Forest gump
2016-11-12T03:30:14 < jadew> Laurenceb_, sell them :P
2016-11-12T03:30:20 < jadew> "Original e-mails"
2016-11-12T03:30:21 < Laurenceb_> lol
2016-11-12T03:30:35 < jadew> or better yet, sell the mailbox :P
2016-11-12T03:30:38 < Laurenceb_> Zuckerberg emailed me for my opinion on his "book of faces"
2016-11-12T03:30:52 < Laurenceb_> cuz I ran student union site at Oxford uni
2016-11-12T03:31:05 < Laurenceb_> lol
2016-11-12T03:31:09 < jadew> heh
2016-11-12T03:31:32 < Laurenceb_> I said I thought it might work in Murica but wouldn't take off in UK ever
2016-11-12T03:31:33 < Laurenceb_> doh
2016-11-12T03:31:58 < Laurenceb_> ^why I'm not a billionaire
2016-11-12T03:32:26 < Laurenceb_> to be fair his prototype site was mega lame and used all US centric terminology
2016-11-12T03:32:33 < Laurenceb_> damn maybe I helped him make it practical
2016-11-12T03:32:36 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb_: also, you don't wear gray T-shirts
2016-11-12T03:32:51 < Laurenceb_> I told him it was way too US centric to take off
2016-11-12T03:33:18 < Laurenceb_> see I never appear in the facebook movie
2016-11-12T03:33:20 < jadew> I think you have to be pretty stupid to come up with ideas that appeal to the general public in this way
2016-11-12T03:33:28 < Laurenceb_> its not fair I want my money like those random twins
2016-11-12T03:33:49 < jadew> LeelooMinai, not all
2016-11-12T03:34:09 < jadew> I'd retreat after say... 300 mil
2016-11-12T03:34:11 < Laurenceb_> facebook movie needs a scene of me lurking in basement lair
2016-11-12T03:34:16 < jadew> *retire
2016-11-12T03:34:25 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb_: say "it'll never work"
2016-11-12T03:34:32 < emeb_mac> while the audience chuckles
2016-11-12T03:34:50 < Laurenceb_> lul 
2016-11-12T03:35:00 < jadew> Laurenceb_, what's stopping you from adding that scene in? then you can re-distribute it as "the real facebook story"
2016-11-12T03:35:01 < Laurenceb_> emeb_mac: yeah its good job I didnt appear in the movie lol
2016-11-12T03:35:13 < Laurenceb_> cuz everyone would laugh at me
2016-11-12T03:35:23 < jadew> LeelooMinai, well, I want to have an island
2016-11-12T03:35:27 < jadew> and a castle
2016-11-12T03:35:33 < jadew> and a lot of land
2016-11-12T03:35:37 < emeb_mac> Laurenceb_: they could have had Daniel Radcliffe play you!
2016-11-12T03:35:44 < Laurenceb_> oh dear
2016-11-12T03:35:46 < jadew> so no neighbours would bother me
2016-11-12T03:36:49 < Laurenceb_> damn in 2004 I was all motivated and turned up for work and answered emails and shit
2016-11-12T03:37:01 < Laurenceb_> but was still a massive pessimist :P
2016-11-12T03:37:09 < emeb_mac> don't ever change
2016-11-12T03:37:31 < jadew> LeelooMinai, if the dream doesn't come true, I guess I'll have to fall back on that :P
2016-11-12T03:38:05 < Laurenceb_>  "most people in the UK don't even know what a yearbook is, I don't see how this US style online yearbook clone is going to take off in any way"
2016-11-12T03:38:11 < Laurenceb_> ^what I actually wrote
2016-11-12T03:38:59 < jadew> you underestimated people's need to advertise their shitty lives
2016-11-12T03:39:13 < Laurenceb_> yeah, but at the time it was nothing like its current form
2016-11-12T03:39:34 < Laurenceb_> making me wonder if he actually listened to my advice lol
2016-11-12T03:39:50 < jadew> you should sue
2016-11-12T03:39:53 < jadew> "it was my idea"
2016-11-12T03:39:58 < Laurenceb_> next time I saw it, it was way less yearbook like
2016-11-12T03:40:00 < Laurenceb_> hehe
2016-11-12T03:41:21 < Laurenceb_> basically I was like "fuck off you retarded fratboy idiot"
2016-11-12T03:41:38 < Laurenceb_> stop spamming my inbox
2016-11-12T03:42:09 < Laurenceb_> the nasaspaceflightforum of website development
2016-11-12T03:44:06 < Laurenceb_> oh shit you know what that means
2016-11-12T03:44:13 < Laurenceb_> maybe emdrive is real
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2016-11-12T03:44:37 < Laurenceb_> and in the emdrive movie they will have daniel ratcliffe playing me lolling at emdrive in basement lair
2016-11-12T03:45:57 < Laurenceb_>  voiceover " some people were sceptical of emdrive"... "audience laughs"
2016-11-12T03:46:18 < jadew> watching it, in their flying machines
2016-11-12T03:47:39 < Laurenceb_>  *audience hovers around the cinema*
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2016-11-12T03:58:56 < Laurenceb_> I also have emails from Milo Yiannopolous about the power of applied memetics
2016-11-12T03:59:08 < Laurenceb_> lolled at him too 
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2016-11-12T04:06:16 < Laurenceb_> But then an obscure image board made by a weaboo who lives with his mom, managed to have his creation elect Donald Trump as the president of the United States
2016-11-12T04:08:16 < dongs> hmm, if I didnt care about dimming but just wanted to run a bunch of led strings at max brigthness, what should I use?
2016-11-12T04:08:42 < dongs> i wsa thinking separate power supply for vled and use a sink driver with a bunch of channels , does that work?
2016-11-12T04:09:05 < PeterM> what kinda power levels? and do the strips have the integrated current limiting resistor or need cc drivers?
2016-11-12T04:09:12 < dongs> but like evne sink drivers need PWM or clocking bits in'
2016-11-12T04:09:27 < dongs> no resistors
2016-11-12T04:09:33 < dongs> i have to limit vf and current
2016-11-12T04:09:50 < dongs> its 14 channels of 6 wleds if that matters
2016-11-12T04:10:08 < dongs> i mean, 6S led and 14 of them
2016-11-12T04:10:27 < dongs> 60-80mA/led
2016-11-12T04:10:49 < Laurenceb_> Trumps's policies weren't better. His speeches weren't better. His support wasn't better.
2016-11-12T04:10:49 < Laurenceb_> He won because his memes were better. What a time to be alive.
2016-11-12T04:13:28 < dongs> 16-channel constant current LED driver optimized
2016-11-12T04:13:28 < dongs> for dimming and blinking 57 mA Red/Green/Blue/Amber (RGBA) LEDs in amusement
2016-11-12T04:13:29 < dongs> products
2016-11-12T04:13:30 < dongs> wow.
2016-11-12T04:13:32 < dongs> thats specific as fuck.
2016-11-12T04:13:45 < zyp> haha
2016-11-12T04:14:01 < PeterM> yeah just a bunch of those sink drivers + 1 psu
2016-11-12T04:14:47 < PeterM> then tune the psu for closes dropout voltage on the cc sink drivers
2016-11-12T04:15:45 < dongs> all multichannel sink shit needs shifting stuff
2016-11-12T04:15:46 < dongs> ugh
2016-11-12T04:15:55 < dongs> i dont need a mcu on this
2016-11-12T04:16:55 < dongs> and 6S is around 20.3V
2016-11-12T04:17:36 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MckXDAYXLB4
2016-11-12T04:19:24 < dongs> PeterM: so 14 fucking SOT23-5 linear sink drivers?
2016-11-12T04:19:50 < dongs> theres gotta be something with at least like 3-4 channels that doesnt need shifting shit in or out
2016-11-12T04:20:54 < PeterM> dongs http://www.linear.com/product/LT3754 + 12v psu
2016-11-12T04:21:06 < PeterM> probably less room than 14 of those sot 23s
2016-11-12T04:21:19 < dongs> yes but probably 5x as much cost
2016-11-12T04:21:25 < PeterM> tru
2016-11-12T04:21:30 < dongs> i think its more suited for 20mA shit tho
2016-11-12T04:21:37 < dongs> i really wanna start at 50mA minimum
2016-11-12T04:21:43 < aandrew> RGBA? that's an odd one
2016-11-12T04:21:44 < dongs> ±2.8% LED Current Matching at 20mA (Typ ±0.7%)
2016-11-12T04:21:51 < aandrew> why the fuck would you want amber as a separate colour?
2016-11-12T04:22:11 < dongs> well, so you could dim and blink them, what else
2016-11-12T04:22:21 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/WBicOl6.png
2016-11-12T04:22:25 < aandrew> national (now TI) has a nice LED driver
2016-11-12T04:22:26 < PeterM> also amber is good for tuning oyur  W colour balance
2016-11-12T04:22:28 < aandrew> 16 channel IIRC
2016-11-12T04:22:38 < aandrew> PeterM: orly. TIL
2016-11-12T04:22:44 < dongs> upgrdman: did you really ask a few hours ago how to automatically assign refres in altidumb
2016-11-12T04:22:55 < upgrdman> figured it out
2016-11-12T04:22:58 < upgrdman> lol ya
2016-11-12T04:23:17 < PeterM> upgrdman, that pic is actually pretty well done
2016-11-12T04:23:40 < dongs> yeah , its like tu for quick one or ta for a dialog where you can specify order, start index per sheet, etc.
2016-11-12T04:23:52 < aandrew> hah yeah that's not bad
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2016-11-12T04:25:42 < upgrdman> barack's expression says it all   https://i.reddituploads.com/90e99a1773274e48a43eafbf57b68bed?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=bd6747aaca90a26255a2eef15e18a2ca     lol
2016-11-12T04:25:56 < dongs> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/on-semiconductor/NUD4011DR2G/NUD4011DR2GOSCT-ND/2122046
2016-11-12T04:26:00 < dongs> 200V....
2016-11-12T04:26:43 < dongs> is that for like lightbulb or somethign
2016-11-12T04:28:28 < PeterM> probably - i cant think of many other uses for a 200v 70ma current sink
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2016-11-12T04:31:35 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lPmtjsc3bs
2016-11-12T04:32:09 < upgrdman> lol japs  http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2016/11/09/kyoto-cops-man-traps-woman-in-car-licks-her-foot-for-30-minutes/
2016-11-12T04:33:53 < dongs> lol idiots.
2016-11-12T04:34:18 < dongs> http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2015/08/13/aichi-man-uses-telephoto-lens-to-take-pervy-pics-in-kyoto/
2016-11-12T04:34:21 < dongs> what
2016-11-12T04:35:01 < dongs> jap must have mastered bending light tekneeq if he managed to take upskirts with a 70-300 lens
2016-11-12T04:35:05 < zyp> haha
2016-11-12T04:36:05 < dongs> fucking japs. and i forgot about tokyo reporter, so much good shit
2016-11-12T04:37:41 < upgrdman> found englishbro   http://www.sportsnewzz.com/2016/11/british-man-strips-off-forcing-plane-to.html
2016-11-12T04:38:09 < dongs> http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2016/11/10/aichi-cops-masked-men-rob-convenience-store-of-%C2%A5400000/ wow japan so safe
2016-11-12T04:39:28 < zyp> haha, I'm looking through articles there, going «haha, why is that even illegal?»
2016-11-12T04:40:03 < dongs> whcih, tokyo?
2016-11-12T04:40:10 < zyp> yeah
2016-11-12T04:41:13 < zyp> http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2016/11/12/kanagawa-cops-company-produced-puzzle-dragons-cheat-software/ <- like this shit, what's illegal about that?
2016-11-12T04:41:27 < dongs> http://www.tokyoreporter.com/2016/11/08/tokyo-student-accused-of-shoving-girlfriend-into-oncoming-train/ yesss
2016-11-12T04:41:43 < dongs> zyp, probably the fact that the dumb game makes millions per day in IAP
2016-11-12T04:41:48 < dongs> so if you cheat, they are literalyl losing money
2016-11-12T04:44:17 < zyp> nice ads on that site as well
2016-11-12T04:44:32 < zyp> «Sugar Daddy Matchmaking Service for Foreigners In Japan»
2016-11-12T04:44:49 < dongs> Coming to Japan? Book a J-gal For your Trip!
2016-11-12T04:44:54 < dongs> im getting those
2016-11-12T04:44:58 < dongs> only 20,000 YEN for 60 minutes
2016-11-12T04:45:08 < aandrew> lol
2016-11-12T04:45:17 < aandrew> I have ads on that site about finding a sugar baby in tokyo
2016-11-12T04:45:31 < aandrew> it's like man you have no idea who you're advertising to
2016-11-12T04:45:38 < dongs> o yeah, universe club ad on top
2016-11-12T04:45:53 < upgrdman> good job china   https://gfycat.com/ObedientAnchoredBear
2016-11-12T04:46:01 < aandrew> I saw something about sugar babies/daddies when I was travelling
2016-11-12T04:46:06 < zyp> «make your fantasies come true at tokyo hentai club»
2016-11-12T04:46:19 < aandrew> the women were talking about it like it was totally normal, no no it's nothing like prostitution at all...
2016-11-12T04:46:25 < aandrew> oh it was on NPR on the radio, that's what it was
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2016-11-12T04:51:31 < aandrew> my cock is usually able to drain without external help
2016-11-12T04:52:33 < zyp> mine usually requires some rubbing
2016-11-12T04:53:58 < aandrew> H7?
2016-11-12T04:54:14 < aandrew> F7+cache?
2016-11-12T04:54:34 < dongs> autism
2016-11-12T04:54:41 < dongs> no, H7 sounds like allwhiner shit
2016-11-12T04:55:08 < zyp> F7 already got cache
2016-11-12T04:55:15 < zyp> H7 is some F7++
2016-11-12T04:55:17 < zyp> or whatever
2016-11-12T04:55:23 < aandrew> looks like some trusted computing stuff too
2016-11-12T04:55:37 < aandrew> STM32H7 series is pin-to-pin compatible with the STM32F7
2016-11-12T04:55:39 < aandrew> interesting
2016-11-12T04:55:52 < aandrew> so I might have developed a board that will also work for the H7
2016-11-12T04:56:40 < dongs> zyp, there's qfp64 F7 coming out arent you excited
2016-11-12T04:56:43 < dongs> F722
2016-11-12T04:56:46 < dongs> shit's not even in cube
2016-11-12T04:56:51 < zyp> haha
2016-11-12T04:56:53 < dongs> its so new
2016-11-12T04:57:06 < dongs> meanwhile: you cant even buy F$22s
2016-11-12T04:57:08 < dongs> er F422s
2016-11-12T04:57:15 < dongs> or wahtever tehfuck you were loking for teh otehr day that wasnt on digikey
2016-11-12T04:57:16 < zyp> 412
2016-11-12T04:57:19 < dongs> yea that.
2016-11-12T04:57:46 < zyp> eh, not too important
2016-11-12T04:58:14 < zyp> f405 works
2016-11-12T04:58:42 < zyp> assuming I'll even bother designing the board any time soon
2016-11-12T04:59:18 < aandrew> heh 
2016-11-12T04:59:29 < aandrew> oh my aliexpress SK6812minis came in
2016-11-12T04:59:38 < dongs> what are y ou gonna do ? change arcin F3 to F405?
2016-11-12T04:59:44 < zyp> haha, no
2016-11-12T04:59:49 < dongs> or unrelated
2016-11-12T05:00:00 < zyp> for EV shit
2016-11-12T05:00:04 < dongs> ooo that shit right.
2016-11-12T05:00:13 < dongs> i might pickup a used miev van for cheap
2016-11-12T05:00:22 < dongs> tehres one nearby for around 8k
2016-11-12T05:00:33 < aandrew> bought 1000 LEDs for $169 (DHL fast shipping included in that), they shipped me 1500
2016-11-12T05:00:38 < dongs> http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201207/2011-mitsubishi-minicab-m-11_800x0w.jpg
2016-11-12T05:00:42 < aandrew> and for customs they put $18 on the commercial invoice
2016-11-12T05:00:51 < zyp> ah, those looks kinda neat
2016-11-12T05:00:57 < dongs> aandrew: er, you paid way too much
2016-11-12T05:01:11 < zyp> we only have the normal mievs here
2016-11-12T05:01:15 < decimad> chinese leds tend to break quickly
2016-11-12T05:01:36 < dongs> zyp, normal one looks ugly as fuck
2016-11-12T05:01:39 < dongs> like round and shit
2016-11-12T05:01:43 < decimad> their thermal design seems to suck or they sell bad parts of larger batches
2016-11-12T05:01:56 < aandrew> how do you figure? $105 for 1000 actually worked out to $105 for 1500, that's $0.07/LED
2016-11-12T05:01:57 < dongs> this one I might be able to fuck around with the battery pack and attach my remaining ~40kW of leaf batts into it
2016-11-12T05:02:04 < dongs> aandrew: what kinda leds?
2016-11-12T05:02:11 < zyp> 40kW?
2016-11-12T05:02:22 < dongs> zyp, i have 2 packs
2016-11-12T05:02:26 < dongs> well, disassembled
2016-11-12T05:02:26 < zyp> ah
2016-11-12T05:02:36 < aandrew> SK6812mini ("smart" RGB LEDs, you send 24 bits and they handle their own PWM)
2016-11-12T05:02:45 < dongs> oh those things
2016-11-12T05:02:45 < zyp> how would you hook that up? parallel?
2016-11-12T05:02:50 < dongs> zyp, no idea :)
2016-11-12T05:03:15 < dongs> aandrew: so its like WS2812 shit?
2016-11-12T05:03:17 < aandrew> even including stupid shipping charge thats $0.12/LED
2016-11-12T05:03:18 < aandrew> yeah
2016-11-12T05:03:33 < aandrew> each one of these "face" boards has 66 LEDs on it
2016-11-12T05:04:06 < zyp> 8k usd? that's cheap
2016-11-12T05:04:18 < aandrew> if it ever goes to production we'll probably replace them with non-smart RGB LEDs
2016-11-12T05:04:23 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: nah, it's toy level stuff
2016-11-12T05:04:39 < aandrew> they will find a chinese source for $0.01/LED, that's what they do
2016-11-12T05:04:44 < zyp> I think only EVs in norway that can be had that cheap are used twizys and shit like that
2016-11-12T05:04:54 < aandrew> I'm quite pleased with that price for prototype and "need it now" price
2016-11-12T05:05:06 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: lol
2016-11-12T05:05:11 < aandrew> this actually isn't a kid's toy
2016-11-12T05:05:19 < aandrew> it's some concept project
2016-11-12T05:05:48 < decimad> lit fans? they're HUGE!!
2016-11-12T05:05:49 < aandrew> yep
2016-11-12T05:06:04 < aandrew> dongs: what're you doing with EV bateries
2016-11-12T05:06:23 < zyp> ah, there's actually a 2011 miev available for around that now
2016-11-12T05:07:19 < aandrew> oh it's zyp who's doing EV stuff
2016-11-12T05:07:51 < zyp> I don't mess with batteries
2016-11-12T05:07:56 < zyp> that's dongs
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2016-11-12T05:16:08 < dongs> < zyp> 8k usd? that's cheap
2016-11-12T05:16:08 < dongs> yeah
2016-11-12T05:16:17 < dongs> its local too, somewehre in fukuoka or oita or someshit i forgot
2016-11-12T05:16:33 < zyp> nice definition of local :p
2016-11-12T05:16:42 < dongs> 2-3 hours drive max
2016-11-12T05:16:43 < dongs> thats local.
2016-11-12T05:16:49 < zyp> haha
2016-11-12T05:17:44 < dongs> hmm
2016-11-12T05:17:52 < dongs> still not finding any non-trash led drivers
2016-11-12T05:21:42 < dongs> hmm, CAT4104
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2016-11-12T06:55:47 < jadew> exactly those?
2016-11-12T06:57:25 < jadew> pretty sure it does, let me check if I can find them
2016-11-12T07:01:20 < jadew> found one, but it's dry
2016-11-12T07:01:39 < jadew> I have a frixion one and another no-name one, which is missing the tip :)
2016-11-12T07:01:55 < jadew> it's not mine, it's my wife's and she had quite a few
2016-11-12T07:02:06 < jadew> I remember she was very enthusiastic about them
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2016-11-12T07:02:15 < jadew> let me see if I can find another one
2016-11-12T07:02:56 < jadew> found anotherone
2016-11-12T07:03:07 < jadew> and it writes
2016-11-12T07:03:08 < jadew> :D
2016-11-12T07:03:24 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-12T07:04:01 < jadew> LeelooMinai, seems better than regular eraser
2016-11-12T07:04:08 < jadew> let me see if I can film it
2016-11-12T07:04:36 < jadew> I mean like eraser + pencil
2016-11-12T07:10:16 < jadew> LeelooMinai: https://youtu.be/f_ZQQZfF_d4
2016-11-12T07:10:50 < jadew> sorry for the quality, it was a bit difficult to both hold the phone and erase, it needs some pressure to work
2016-11-12T07:11:36 < jadew> don't know, feels ok
2016-11-12T07:11:47 < jadew> ah, don't know about that
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2016-11-12T07:24:50 < dongs> R2COM: i madea steam account
2016-11-12T07:25:15 < dongs> right, i cant even add people yet.
2016-11-12T07:25:17 < dongs> seems jewish
2016-11-12T07:25:26 < jadew> dongs, get worms reloaded
2016-11-12T07:25:32 < dongs> http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198343613500/
2016-11-12T07:25:36 < dongs> jadew: i have no plans to actually play any games
2016-11-12T07:25:40 < dongs> also my gtx isnt here.
2016-11-12T07:25:49 < jadew> ah, for the VR thing then?
2016-11-12T07:25:51 < dongs> i installed steam client in VM
2016-11-12T07:25:57 < jadew> ah, ok
2016-11-12T07:26:20 < dongs> R2COM: got it
2016-11-12T07:31:31 < dongs> lo'
2016-11-12T07:34:16 < dongs> efnet palz
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2016-11-12T07:45:32 < ohsix> sup
2016-11-12T07:45:44 < ohsix> flyback: yes and yes, but so is an avr
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2016-11-12T08:05:35 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/797275131768872960
2016-11-12T08:06:07 < ohsix> lul now i'm getting paid for junk i'm avoiding learning stuff i sort of want to know anyways
2016-11-12T08:06:13 < ohsix> cuz i'll get to it when i'm on the cock
2016-11-12T08:06:56 < ohsix> i think i'll be using either firmata or just a plain arduino plus serial port host to do a test jig
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2016-11-12T08:25:12 < dongs> https://www.periscope.tv/w/1eaKblqadRqJX 
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2016-11-12T08:38:30 < zyp> maybe you should get your fucking inspection done
2016-11-12T08:41:08 < ohsix> i love when people say 'get a job'
2016-11-12T08:41:22 < ohsix> they're always part of the shit in wasting their time olol
2016-11-12T08:41:51 < ohsix> doing shit on twitter is almost like asking for a nuclear bomb to go off
2016-11-12T08:43:06 < ohsix> weev gets a lot of press D:
2016-11-12T08:47:56 < ohsix> i spent all my evening speaking to someone who wasn't listening to what i was saying, and telling me constantly what i think and what i believe
2016-11-12T08:48:03 < ohsix> it was alright
2016-11-12T08:50:19 < ohsix> Rickta59: no worries
2016-11-12T08:50:37 < ohsix> but thanks :]
2016-11-12T08:51:50 < ohsix> dudes who work: i need a time tracker with punch in / out and probably can generate a report when needed
2016-11-12T08:51:53 < ohsix> android
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2016-11-12T08:57:10 < ohsix> remember the phrase, elaborate impotence
2016-11-12T08:57:13 < ohsix> it is genius
2016-11-12T08:57:37 < ohsix> are you just putting on a big show to detract from you being useless
2016-11-12T08:59:01 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYx04e35Xso
2016-11-12T08:59:24 < ohsix> 'likely' sure sounds as if it were another prediction
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2016-11-12T09:01:04 < ohsix> nope
2016-11-12T09:01:12 < ohsix> and a poll isn't a prediction of anything
2016-11-12T09:01:36 < ohsix> what nate silver and some outlets did based on polling information, is provide the likelyhood of a situation happening
2016-11-12T09:01:41 < ohsix> garbage in garbage out
2016-11-12T09:02:14 < ohsix> my anus is bleeding
2016-11-12T09:07:54 < ohsix> dogs barking in their sleep <3
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2016-11-12T09:08:12 < ohsix> you know what i'm tired of, people that can't make a point constantly saying 'the point is'
2016-11-12T09:08:37 < ohsix> you could say 'i've failed but i'm going to try again now'
2016-11-12T09:10:08 < ohsix> GIT GUD
2016-11-12T09:10:23 < ohsix> you can't counter-point someone throwing up on their shirt
2016-11-12T09:11:58 < ohsix> http://www.opavote.com/openstv lul this used to be open source, now it is SaaS and 5c/voter
2016-11-12T09:12:15 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: your problem is you're so clever and everything anyone ever does proves the point you can never succinctly make
2016-11-12T09:12:20 < ohsix> we are not a reflection of your impotence
2016-11-12T09:12:57 < ohsix> well, i can't speak for r2com, and i wasn't
2016-11-12T09:14:04 < ohsix> if you took what you said at face value, everyone but you is your problem, and things would be fine if we just weren't so darned thick. the problem with that reasoning is that you can leave and solve all your problems too
2016-11-12T09:14:56 < ohsix> we're so horrible, and you're here to fix us, you're awesome and i don't know why people don't just know that already
2016-11-12T09:15:15 < ohsix> 'we' is whoever you'd point that massive intellect at
2016-11-12T09:15:20 < ohsix> but you knew that
2016-11-12T09:15:28 < ohsix> because massive intellect
2016-11-12T09:15:56 < ohsix> if my criticism is invalid, then you wouldn't be responding to it, or repeating yourself
2016-11-12T09:16:12 < ohsix> no, you clearly fashion yourself as someone who has something figured it out and we're all just slow
2016-11-12T09:16:37 < ohsix> you're better than me and this is just how you can let me know that, over and over again
2016-11-12T09:17:09 < ohsix> i'm so burnt out on irony
2016-11-12T09:18:05 < ohsix> oh, i don't know what you're talking about either
2016-11-12T09:18:12 < ohsix> so your comment is invalid
2016-11-12T09:18:34 < ohsix> i'm just so a-fumbles in the brain zone, people talk to me and gee gosh golly darn if i can't understand what they're saying
2016-11-12T09:22:32 < ohsix> h3h gnomes sharing support lets me download torrents right to google drive
2016-11-12T09:24:15 < ohsix> people do not respect you personally or for your ability
2016-11-12T09:24:28 < ohsix> because they can't look past the difficulty in actually communicating with you
2016-11-12T09:25:19 < ohsix> i do not respect you personally or for any ability you may posess, because i can't look past the difficulty in actually communicating with you
2016-11-12T09:25:33 < ohsix> i would have a problem with this, and i do have this problem!
2016-11-12T09:26:11 < ohsix> so i often have to stop and consider if i'm confusing people or doing no good speaking with them
2016-11-12T09:26:31 < ohsix> how much minimization can you do trying to discount people being honest to you
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2016-11-12T09:26:55 < ohsix> i'm not important, i can't talk about communication, even if it is my own personal communication difficulties, because blah blah blah
2016-11-12T09:27:10 < ohsix> ok wait
2016-11-12T09:27:16 < ohsix> are you a troll? like a good one
2016-11-12T09:27:27 < ohsix> are you trying to impress dongs or be his friend?
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2016-11-12T09:27:55 < ohsix> i was going to say something about you citing dunning-kruger, and then you fucking go say it and don't even know any of their own names
2016-11-12T09:28:04 < ohsix> i've known dongs for like 20 years dude
2016-11-12T09:28:53 < ohsix> man you're good at this
2016-11-12T09:29:07 < ohsix> i've seen this routine from you multiple times now, though, i think i'm getting it
2016-11-12T09:29:31 < ohsix> yea, as i've said already i have some troubles communicating and i have to do it cautiously, sometimes that makes me look slow
2016-11-12T09:29:45 < ohsix> i see a lot of talking about me
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2016-11-12T09:30:03 < ohsix> didn't i preface this whole thing with an argument i was in this afternoon, can we think that far back?
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2016-11-12T09:30:39 < ohsix> i do blame myself, this is like one of those traps that get you more trapped if you struggle
2016-11-12T09:31:14 < ohsix> i've repeatedly made the mistake of seriously wasting my time trying to help someone who is just super fucking thick, and i'm still telling myself that they can be 'fixed' by just working it out
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2016-11-12T09:32:01 < ohsix> anyways to answer your question, yes i'm personally responsible for you being thick as a hedge and for dongs being racist and you reacting to it all the time, r2com too
2016-11-12T09:32:05 < ohsix> i'm responsible for all of that
2016-11-12T09:32:56 < ohsix> and if i agree? what does that mean for you?
2016-11-12T09:33:24 < ohsix> 22:47 < ohsix> i spent all my evening speaking to someone who wasn't listening to what i was saying, and telling me constantly what i think and what i believe
2016-11-12T09:33:38 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: you are tilting at windmills
2016-11-12T09:33:52 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: they are 'racist' because of you! you enable them! you are the shit show reactionary
2016-11-12T09:34:18 < ohsix> yes
2016-11-12T09:34:36 < ohsix> i'll agree with whatever point you want to make
2016-11-12T09:34:59 < ohsix> because you're trying to make points i can't agree with, by some tangent to make a defensive riposte
2016-11-12T09:35:36 < ohsix> well, you sure got me, minds are changing
2016-11-12T09:35:47 < ohsix> i am silly
2016-11-12T09:36:03 < ohsix> you know what i find i'm telling people a lot lately
2016-11-12T09:36:08 < ohsix> if someone is trying to be nice to you, let them
2016-11-12T09:36:35 < ohsix> sup Steffanx 
2016-11-12T09:37:00 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: before you even responded i outlined what you would do, you are a child
2016-11-12T09:37:31 < ohsix> just as much as dongs can say some nonsense and you'll react
2016-11-12T09:37:59 < ohsix> it has to be pointless or your rugged ignorance wouldn't persist
2016-11-12T09:38:11 < ohsix> how often do i have to say i'm specifically talking about you
2016-11-12T09:38:17 < ohsix> we're literally talking to eachother
2016-11-12T09:39:15 < ohsix> you're right it isn't my business, but i'm telling you it makes you look like an insufferable tit. you want to talk about anonymous 'we' responding to dongs 'racism' to make some large point about how _you_ find it personally offensive, so everyone must. you are very offended indeed, but you are generating lines of null content, you are a brain drain, you are the problem
2016-11-12T09:39:20 < ohsix> and i AM PROJECTING
2016-11-12T09:39:24 < ohsix> BECAUSE I WAS THE PROBLEM
2016-11-12T09:39:51 < ohsix> i had some self awareness to reign some of that shit in
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2016-11-12T09:40:13 < ohsix> 22:47 < ohsix> i spent all my evening speaking to someone who wasn't listening to what i was saying, and telling me constantly what i think and what i believe
2016-11-12T09:40:19 < ohsix> do you see this
2016-11-12T09:40:24 < ohsix> what do you think it means
2016-11-12T09:40:40 < ohsix> do i have a 'crystal ball'?
2016-11-12T09:40:55 < ohsix> have you been completely out flanked and frankly look like a mental defective?
2016-11-12T09:41:51 < ohsix> i am not your enemy, i'm probably the person that is most likely to be your friend, and i'm telling you what is up; you meet that information with incredible deflection and defensiveness that does not meet the spirit in which it was offered, and you turn something you say you don't percieve as a personal attack, into attacking the person speaking to you
2016-11-12T09:42:21 < ohsix> ok if all the stuff i'm saying is really about me, can you describe how i'm being elaborately defensive
2016-11-12T09:42:56 < ohsix> i hate to put you on point and prompt what would be some thinking in a normal person
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2016-11-12T09:44:26 < ohsix> here's a problem with what you are saying, 'you are not making any sense'; it could be that i am not making sense, it could also be that you are not understanding what i'm saying, it can also be both these things at the same time. when your actual ability to comprehend what people are saying is implied or in play, you would hopefully be mindful of any mistake you could be making
2016-11-12T09:44:38 < ohsix> additionally
2016-11-12T09:45:35 < ohsix> let me do my best impression of you that i can: your criticism about me not making sense is because you are dumb and it is none of your business, and you don't provide any specific direction about how i could do anything about it, so fuck you you're dumb perhaps all my problems are really yours and if that were true i should leave, oh no
2016-11-12T09:45:57 < ohsix> i'm not a super intellect but you are amazingly outflanked
2016-11-12T09:46:08 < ohsix> and at this point i'm just making fun of you
2016-11-12T09:46:20 < ohsix> yea i'm so vague
2016-11-12T09:46:22 < ohsix> 22:47 < ohsix> i spent all my evening speaking to someone who wasn't listening to what i was saying, and telling me constantly what i think and what i believe
2016-11-12T09:46:48 < ohsix> you know how people fear being pitied
2016-11-12T09:46:57 < ohsix> i never really understood that as a person that is pitiable
2016-11-12T09:47:04 < ohsix> as a literal person who is deserved of pity
2016-11-12T09:47:10 < ohsix> as a hopeless wastrel
2016-11-12T09:47:35 < ohsix> but, looking at someone truly deserved of pity, a wretched helpless animal, stuck in a bear trap of life she doesn't even understand
2016-11-12T09:48:57 < ohsix> as much as i pity you now for being completely hopeless, i come to understand just how low someone can be, how you can be so looked down upon as miserable and unworthy or even unable to find or accept redemption
2016-11-12T09:49:21 < ohsix> you are as if, dog shit on a shoe, and me, and 'we' are only unfortunate enough to have stepped on you, and perchance to smell
2016-11-12T09:49:38 < ohsix> i hope you fuck off and waste your entire life worring about what someone said on irc
2016-11-12T09:50:00 < ohsix> your life is going away, my life is wittering away with every letter
2016-11-12T09:50:09 < ohsix> this time is the most pure and literal waste
2016-11-12T09:50:18 < ohsix> and i waste it on you
2016-11-12T09:50:27 < ohsix> the shit that i stepped in
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2016-11-12T09:57:49 < ohsix> did you see me leave
2016-11-12T09:57:55 < ohsix> all of the problems i had went away
2016-11-12T09:57:57 < ohsix> watch
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2016-11-12T10:00:47 < zyp> haha, wtf
2016-11-12T10:03:32 < dongs> dongs
2016-11-12T10:03:36 < dongs> why are you stil lawake
2016-11-12T10:03:57 < zyp> idk
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2016-11-12T10:04:17 < zyp> apparently you just missed LeelooMinai and ohsix raging at each other for over an hour
2016-11-12T10:05:04 < ohsix> i wanna relate something that does not follow the previous, like a million years ago i was writing irc bots, info bots and stuff; i realized that their marginal utility was almost never worth the single line of text in the output, a person querying the bot would also be one line. adding garbage lines to irc is something i forgot about
2016-11-12T10:05:05 < dongs> lollll im sure glad i did
2016-11-12T10:05:06 < ohsix> zyp: ^5
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2016-11-12T10:05:17 < dongs> apparently some R2COM mixed in too
2016-11-12T10:05:27 < dongs> see him filling screen with monologues
2016-11-12T10:05:30 < zyp> haha
2016-11-12T10:06:34 < PeterM> is that like when a tree falls in the woods? if they're on everyones ignore lists do they really have an arguement?
2016-11-12T10:07:11 < dongs> R2COM: ya, even i stopped doing that and went to coding
2016-11-12T10:07:17 < dongs> PeterM: haha.
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2016-11-12T10:17:49 < Thorn> is ohsix<#2> on vacation or just asleep
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2016-11-12T10:29:16 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/AdtYEkdG/wtftrump.png
2016-11-12T10:29:19 < ReadErr> uh oh
2016-11-12T10:31:10 < dongs> haha, did ohsix ragequit over lelooman
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2016-11-12T10:31:59 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Trump-Might-Deport-You-Rant-Against-Woman-Speaking-Assyrian-on-BART-Caught-on-Cam-400888871.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_BAYBrand
2016-11-12T10:32:01 < ReadErr> like this?
2016-11-12T10:34:54 < dongs> hey guys, protip: place LeeLooMan on ignore and stop enabling him.
2016-11-12T10:35:27 < dongs> R2COM, im surprised it didnt happen after the ohsix ragequit
2016-11-12T10:35:29 < dongs> or during it
2016-11-12T10:35:50 < jpa-> funny that ohsix had to come back twice to tell "hey look i ragequit" :)
2016-11-12T10:36:09 < dongs> lucky for me i missed that dtama
2016-11-12T10:36:10 < dongs> drama
2016-11-12T10:36:20 < dongs> was refactoring this amazing tarduino ctrlc+ctrlv firmware
2016-11-12T10:36:36 < dongs> shit.ino reduced from 90k to 50k
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2016-11-12T10:38:47 < ReadErr> ignore is cheating 
2016-11-12T10:38:54 < ReadErr> I play irc w/o hax
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2016-11-12T10:40:47 < dongs> ya but when you come back and see a wall of text
2016-11-12T10:40:51 < dongs> thats neitehr STM32 related nor funny
2016-11-12T10:40:58 < dongs> i just dont want to see it
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2016-11-12T11:07:09 < ReadErr> may your dreams be filled with dongs
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2016-11-12T11:46:36 < dongs> I know whose dreams are filled with dongs
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2016-11-12T12:25:11 < ohsix> heh finally got through that lipo cell paper thing on capacity
2016-11-12T12:25:17 < ohsix> longest 11 pages ever
2016-11-12T12:25:39 < ohsix> the last 2 pages actually rip some cells up
2016-11-12T12:26:19 < Kliment> ohsix: link?
2016-11-12T12:27:46 < ohsix> https://na.industrial.panasonic.com/products/batteries/rechargeable-batteries/pin-type-lithium-ion-batteries
2016-11-12T12:27:47 < ohsix> er
2016-11-12T12:27:50 < ohsix> that's not it, sec
2016-11-12T12:27:59 < ohsix> http://jes.ecsdl.org/content/162/8/A1592.full.pdf
2016-11-12T12:30:12 < ohsix> bbl
2016-11-12T12:31:06 < ohsix> http://media.digikey.com/Photos/Panasonic%20Photos/BR-435%5EBN.jpg lul
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2016-11-12T12:33:44 < dongs> so i guess i should implement font widths table in this thing too
2016-11-12T12:33:58 < dongs> wonder where i should stick it in flash
2016-11-12T12:34:20 < dongs> or just have a list of half-width stuff because 99% of 40k chars are fullwidth
2016-11-12T12:34:44 < Kliment> dongs: You can designate the top-right pixel to be a half-width indicator
2016-11-12T12:35:23 < dongs> what happens when I have a char like U+259C
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2016-11-12T12:36:06 < Kliment> dongs: Check how many characters have that issue. If there are fewer of them than half-width characters you still save space with that method
2016-11-12T12:36:28 < ReadErr> ohsix: there was a guy on RCG
2016-11-12T12:36:37 < ReadErr> he was taking apart cells
2016-11-12T12:36:46 < dongs> Kliment: ya but all this requres workaround one way or another
2016-11-12T12:36:47 < ReadErr> and cutting them down super small
2016-11-12T12:36:53 < dongs> i only wanna desolder this flash chip once more
2016-11-12T12:37:04 < dongs> to flash a final image into it :)
2016-11-12T12:37:06 < ReadErr> for some uber micro ultralight rc plane
2016-11-12T12:37:08 < Kliment> dongs: You don't have a clip programmer?
2016-11-12T12:37:28 < dongs> i even have programming pads on teh board. im just too lazy to make a thing with pogopins.
2016-11-12T12:37:31 < Kliment> dongs: I strongly recommend you get one for exactly this kind of thing
2016-11-12T12:37:42 < Kliment> barthess: But not too lazy to desolder?
2016-11-12T12:37:48 < dongs> riiiiight.
2016-11-12T12:39:04 < dongs> damnit
2016-11-12T12:39:10 < dongs> Kliment: mostly cuz i would need to drill this stuff in something
2016-11-12T12:39:19 < Kliment> dongs: 3d print!
2016-11-12T12:39:30 < Kliment> dongs: It's how I do it
2016-11-12T12:39:37 < dongs> right.. and i have a printer. but i dont do 3d drawing.
2016-11-12T12:39:48 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/fz1uKCZ.png
2016-11-12T12:39:58 < dongs> youre totalyl fucking right tho
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2016-11-12T12:40:22 < dongs> lets see if I can negro something up.
2016-11-12T12:40:31 < Kliment> YOu have the coordinates of those pads?
2016-11-12T12:40:38 < dongs> of course, i made the pcb
2016-11-12T12:40:46 < zyp> why not solder to the test pads if you're lazy?
2016-11-12T12:40:52 < dongs> hmmmmmmmmmmmm
2016-11-12T12:41:02 < dongs> now we're talking lower levels of involvement
2016-11-12T12:41:08 < dongs> cuz 3d printing will be 70+ minutes
2016-11-12T12:41:09 < zyp> or even to the chip pins if you don't want to ruin them
2016-11-12T12:41:11 < dongs> to warm the fucking thing up
2016-11-12T12:43:39 < Kliment> because difference(){cube([50,50,4]));for(i=[[x1,y1],[x2,y2],[x3,y3],[x4,y4],[x5,y5],[x6,y6]])translate([i[0],i[1],-1])cylinder(r=0.7,h=6,$fn=10);}
2016-11-12T12:44:03 < Kliment> There's a basic fixture, populate the x/y coords from your data
2016-11-12T12:44:06 < dongs> is this some OpenSCAT
2016-11-12T12:44:18 < Kliment> It's openscad, yes. I challenge you to do it faster in anything else
2016-11-12T12:45:43 < Kliment> And change the 50,50 to whatever your board size
2016-11-12T12:46:09 < zyp> so what's that anyway? a plate with holes?
2016-11-12T12:46:21 < Kliment> zyp: Yeah, you stick your pogos into those
2016-11-12T12:46:30 < dongs> cant i just take s ome shit and drill it
2016-11-12T12:46:33 < Kliment> zyp: And they get held in the correct positions
2016-11-12T12:46:40 < Kliment> dongs: If that makes you happier :)
2016-11-12T12:46:54 < zyp> last time I used pogos, I aligned all test points on 100mil grid and used perfboard
2016-11-12T12:47:08 < Kliment> zyp: That's because you were smart, unlike dongs 
2016-11-12T12:47:16 < dongs> :D
2016-11-12T12:48:35 < dongs> fuck it, clips it is.
2016-11-12T12:48:49 < dongs> its like 0.65mm pitch shit. i dont even need to bust out teh small ones.
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2016-11-12T12:49:13 < Kliment> zyp: That said, I'm building a board now that has a test/programming fixture with a 100mil grid, and I'm still printing a holder for the board and pogos just because the shape of the board is odd
2016-11-12T12:49:42 < dongs> im gonna make a jig for the panelized boards anyway
2016-11-12T12:49:46 < dongs> cuz theres 3 of them in a panel
2016-11-12T12:49:55 < dongs> but thats for later
2016-11-12T12:50:22 < zyp> I'd probably use tag-connect or something if I were going to have to dick around with that shit regularly
2016-11-12T12:50:40 < zyp> there's probably a variant appropriate for SPI
2016-11-12T12:51:04 < dongs> nah, not regularly
2016-11-12T12:51:27 < dongs> im just dicking wiht data format for the font
2016-11-12T12:51:46 < dongs> once i got it fixed i wont need to be rewriting, and just copy it to the master flash on the jig or maybe even go full zano and get a chip programmer for production
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2016-11-12T12:53:27 < Kliment> It's extra funny on dongs' board because these test pads are all on the same layer, so there is literally nothing but lazy preventing them from being on a grid
2016-11-12T12:53:48 < Kliment> And now he's claiming lazy as the reason not to use them
2016-11-12T12:53:50 < dongs> correct
2016-11-12T12:53:56 < dongs> they're on 0.1mm grid
2016-11-12T12:53:58 < dongs> if that helps.
2016-11-12T12:54:07 < Kliment> Also, no diode on the supply
2016-11-12T12:54:27 < Kliment> Means when you connect a programmer to the test pads you power up your MCU and other stuff too
2016-11-12T12:54:54 < dongs> yeah thats fine.
2016-11-12T12:54:57 < Kliment> I dare
2016-11-12T12:55:11 < Kliment> He's done it to me enough times :P
2016-11-12T12:55:13 < dongs> i flash thousands of boards by powering them up from the jig
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2016-11-12T12:55:37 < dongs> im not adding bom items thgat cost $ jut to assist with programming
2016-11-12T12:57:09 < ReadErr> tagconnect ;)
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2016-11-12T12:58:26 < ReadErr> i like it
2016-11-12T12:58:33 < ReadErr> small enough footprint
2016-11-12T12:59:04 < dongs> tagconnect is *completely* pointless in one-off hobby projects.
2016-11-12T12:59:53 < dongs> k so im just gonna waste one byte in char to specify width before bitmap data.
2016-11-12T13:00:19 < zyp> once you have the TC cable, it's convenient enough for one-offs too
2016-11-12T13:01:37 < zyp> especially compared to unshrouded programming headers that gets all bent when you throw the board in a box of shit and picks it back out a couple of months later
2016-11-12T13:02:03 < ReadErr> I have different adapter board shits w/ the RJ11
2016-11-12T13:02:20 < ReadErr> so can swap it between stm32 or atmel what not
2016-11-12T13:02:33 < dongs> shrug
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2016-11-12T13:03:02 < dongs> oh here comes tectu, he might be intrested that im not using uGFX for unicode font
2016-11-12T13:03:17 < zyp> poor Tectu 
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2016-11-12T13:03:59 < Tectu> not really caring dongs
2016-11-12T13:04:19 < Tectu> use what ever fits your purpose
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2016-11-12T13:05:15 < Kliment> Oh my, a customer sent me an image of an assembled board someone made for them
2016-11-12T13:05:35 < Kliment> It has a USB connector between a switch and a capacitor, in the middle of the board
2016-11-12T13:05:48 < dongs> sounds liek sourced from pakilancer.com
2016-11-12T13:05:50 < Kliment> Now, a vertical connector might have been fine...
2016-11-12T13:06:02 < Kliment> dongs: Nah, typo in part number
2016-11-12T13:06:26 < Kliment> dongs: Amazingly, it had the same footprint
2016-11-12T13:06:28 < dongs> ive used molex vertical USB
2016-11-12T13:06:33 < zyp> my pal without an EE background were doing some hobby shit recently
2016-11-12T13:06:41 < dongs> the only same thing in the footprint are the 5 pads
2016-11-12T13:06:52 < Kliment> dongs: Not sure if this one is molex
2016-11-12T13:06:52 < zyp> he managed to place the usb connector pointing inwards
2016-11-12T13:07:35 < Kliment> dongs: I don't like the molex vertical microusb because it sticks too far out the other end of the board
2016-11-12T13:07:48 < dongs> that it does
2016-11-12T13:08:01 < Kliment> dongs: Would love a better alternative but haven't found one so far
2016-11-12T13:08:02 < dongs> so you have to paste + smt that side first
2016-11-12T13:08:04 < dongs> then the molex side.
2016-11-12T13:08:11 < dongs> if you do it in reverse, youre fukt
2016-11-12T13:08:29 < Kliment> dongs: Yeah, sure. For protos I've sometimes trimmed it
2016-11-12T13:08:52 < Kliment> dongs: The real annoying this is sometimes I want to put say a battery behind the board
2016-11-12T13:08:56 < Kliment> thing*
2016-11-12T13:09:16 < Kliment> And would love a vertusb that sits flush with the bottom of board
2016-11-12T13:09:27 < zyp> use a thicker pcb
2016-11-12T13:09:31 < zyp> problem solved
2016-11-12T13:09:43 < Kliment> zyp: 2.4mm PCB?
2016-11-12T13:09:52 < zyp> sure, why not
2016-11-12T13:09:53 < dongs> yeah the shit really sticks out
2016-11-12T13:10:07 < Kliment> zyp: Thermal issues mainly
2016-11-12T13:10:25 < Kliment> zyp: I sometimes use 0.8mm pcbs
2016-11-12T13:10:45 < zyp> no wonder your pth gets too long
2016-11-12T13:10:57 < Kliment> zyp: But still, 2.4 is excessive
2016-11-12T13:11:18 < dongs> stupid  fucking keil flash algorithms
2016-11-12T13:11:22 < dongs> full chip erase should NOT take seconds
2016-11-12T13:11:28 < dongs> it should be ROP on -> ROP off
2016-11-12T13:11:30 < dongs> instant
2016-11-12T13:11:40 < dongs> isntead of fcuking page by page erase
2016-11-12T13:12:05 < Kliment> That's what you get for keiling
2016-11-12T13:12:07 < zyp> do you do a full erase often enough that it matters?
2016-11-12T13:12:18 < dongs> no, is just annoying
2016-11-12T13:12:24 < dongs> also F4 flash is way slower than F1
2016-11-12T13:12:43 < zyp> how slow?
2016-11-12T13:12:53 < dongs> lot slower
2016-11-12T13:13:05 < dongs> erase is orders of magnitude faster on f1.
2016-11-12T13:13:06 < zyp> what numbers are you seeing?
2016-11-12T13:13:10 < zyp> oh, erase
2016-11-12T13:13:16 < zyp> well, duh, F1 flash is a lot smaller
2016-11-12T13:13:27 < dongs> nope
2016-11-12T13:13:35 < dongs> there's F1 with 384/512k.
2016-11-12T13:13:38 < Kliment> I'll have to try the hirose one
2016-11-12T13:13:40 < dongs> like the 103RE board ih ave
2016-11-12T13:13:58 < zyp> Kliment, you haven't considered type-c?
2016-11-12T13:14:10 < Kliment> zyp: No, for cost reasons
2016-11-12T13:15:00 < Kliment> zyp: Once prices drop, it might become viable for cost-sensitive projects
2016-11-12T13:15:08 < dongs> costs of what
2016-11-12T13:15:17 < Kliment> vertical type-c connectors
2016-11-12T13:15:24 < dongs> o
2016-11-12T13:15:27 < dongs> dono about vertical
2016-11-12T13:15:28 < dongs> nobodty ues those
2016-11-12T13:15:33 < Kliment> exactly :)
2016-11-12T13:15:34 < zyp> oh, haven't looked at price
2016-11-12T13:15:39 < zyp> but I'm planning to use
2016-11-12T13:15:42 < dongs> i bought 5k of hybrid smt/pth typeCs they were about 23c or so ea
2016-11-12T13:15:46 < Kliment> Last I checked they were pricy
2016-11-12T13:15:50 < dongs> normal horizontal shit
2016-11-12T13:15:57 < Kliment> Maybe things have changed now
2016-11-12T13:18:19 < Kliment> digikey's only vert type-c is like $6, $2.7 at large Q
2016-11-12T13:18:43 < Kliment> So yeah, for the moment micro it is
2016-11-12T13:18:49 < zyp> well, I'm not planning to buy from digikey
2016-11-12T13:19:27 < Kliment> Vertical type-c is rare enough that hadly anyone has it anyway
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2016-11-12T13:24:04 < dongs> k reflashing this junk
2016-11-12T13:24:09 < dongs> got it wired up with clips
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2016-11-12T13:32:57 < dongs> k works
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2016-11-12T15:21:49 < Rob235> oi
2016-11-12T15:34:32 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKdUtvWmlrOUhQSlE/view?usp=sharing water tap with ramp up and down
2016-11-12T15:38:01 < Rob235> but why?
2016-11-12T15:38:52 < Rob235> did they use a water capacitor
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2016-11-12T15:39:59 < Rob235> hello Steffanx
2016-11-12T15:41:12 < Steffanx> hello Rob235
2016-11-12T15:45:37 < kakimir> Rob235: suspend pipe noises
2016-11-12T15:46:04 < kakimir> caused by fast pressure changes
2016-11-12T15:49:10 < Rob235> never would have thought of that
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2016-11-12T15:55:10 < kakimir> in big buildings with a lot of appartments you can hear everyone washing their hands and [D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Dslamming that tap shut
2016-11-12T15:56:31 < Rob235> I live in an old building (only 3 floors though) and the water system is terrible.  every time I shower I have to dodge hot and cold sprays when other tenants turn the opposite tap on
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2016-11-12T16:08:15 < aandrew> I adopted dongs' microusb connector (FCI somethingorother). it is awesome
2016-11-12T16:08:24 < aandrew> those four PTH legs really add rigidity
2016-11-12T16:09:04 < aandrew> Rob235: sounds like you need a smarter shower faucet
2016-11-12T16:09:31 < aandrew> the one in our house maintains the selected temp irrespective of other loads
2016-11-12T16:11:47 < Rob235> like I said, old building.  It was a hotel a hundred years ago.  It has one of those clawfoot tubs with a crappy shower attachment.  I need to get a job and move, not upgrade this crap :P
2016-11-12T16:13:07 < aandrew> heh
2016-11-12T16:13:09 < aandrew> fair enough
2016-11-12T16:13:17 < aandrew> although I love clawfoot bathtubs
2016-11-12T16:13:25 < aandrew> I had a nice cast iron one in my first house
2016-11-12T16:14:58 < Rob235> yea... this one is porcelain or whatever, repainted many times :)
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2016-11-12T16:22:10 < kakimir> Rob235: have a thermostat mixer?
2016-11-12T16:24:04 < Rob235> wasn't sure but reading this line from wikipedia I'd say no: the use of a thermostat, rather than a static mixing valve, provides increased safety against scalding, and increased user comfort, because the hot-water temperature remains constant.
2016-11-12T16:24:18 < Rob235> because when someone flushes the toilet it definitely gets a lot hotter
2016-11-12T16:25:58 < Rob235> or maybe its just a crappy one? I guess it does adjust back fairly quickly.  it doesn't take the amount of time for a toilet tank to refill
2016-11-12T16:26:34 < Rob235> but cold spells can last a while
2016-11-12T16:27:16 < Rob235> never looked into plumbing stuff, I've always been a renter so far
2016-11-12T16:28:32 < jpa-> if the pipes are poorly designed, the pressure variations can be so high that even a thermostat mixer cannot compensate
2016-11-12T16:29:23 < jpa-> so called water hammer effect
2016-11-12T16:29:37 < Rob235> being on floor 3 of 3 probably doesn't help either
2016-11-12T16:29:57 < kakimir> jpa-: it usually just limits flow until you can not shower properly
2016-11-12T16:30:26 < Rob235> oh I have that problem too, water pressure drops in and out
2016-11-12T16:30:39 < kakimir> in case of not enought cold water pressure
2016-11-12T16:31:00 < kakimir> in case of no hot water it just gives you a cold shower
2016-11-12T16:31:38 < jpa-> water hammer when e.g. toilet stops filling can cause huge overpressures also, which build up very quickly and then drop off quickly also
2016-11-12T16:31:51 < jpa-> faster than the thermostat can react
2016-11-12T16:33:02 < jpa-> (this usually also makes a "bang bang" noise)
2016-11-12T16:33:05 < Rob235> so its specifically the hammer effect that kakimir's link is designed to compensate for?
2016-11-12T16:33:15 < Rob235> yes, that noise is very familiar...
2016-11-12T16:33:35 < englishman> dongs: why dont you attach your soic-8 clip that you purchased for attiny programming.
2016-11-12T16:34:02 < dongs> well, i dont have that cuz i dont program attines
2016-11-12T16:34:25 < englishman> there you go, arduino would have saved you time/money.
2016-11-12T16:34:40 < jpa-> Rob235: usually they install small pressure chambers on the water pipes to take up the pressure pulse; not sure what kakimir's link is about
2016-11-12T16:35:25 < Rob235> ahh ok
2016-11-12T16:36:23 < dongs> is there a port of stm32flasher to STM32
2016-11-12T16:36:33 < dongs> like, yo-dawg style
2016-11-12T16:36:37 < englishman> beakymir's link is probably just to be fancy, water hammer arrestors exist https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.pex-tee-water-hammer-arrestor-12-inch.1000791004.html
2016-11-12T16:49:49 < aandrew> jpa-: usually they include a few (6ish) inches of pipe at the valve to help compensate
2016-11-12T17:02:14 < Laurenceb_> http://hackaday.com/2016/11/11/arduworm-a-malware-for-your-arduino-yun/
2016-11-12T17:08:07 < aandrew> that's for all those uranium enrichment centerfuges powered by arduino
2016-11-12T17:10:39 < dongs> https://www.aliexpress.com/store/group/Toggle-Clamp/812817_211762660.html for all the jigs you ever wanted to make
2016-11-12T17:12:47 < aandrew> yeah toggle clamps are teh bomb
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2016-11-12T17:47:43 < Kliment> Yay, hirose has lovely vertical microusb connectors
2016-11-12T17:48:09 < kakimir> ebay has them too
2016-11-12T17:49:19 < Kliment> kakimir: Of course, but I'm looking for type, rather than source
2016-11-12T17:51:06 < kakimir> what does Kliment mean?
2016-11-12T17:51:17 < kakimir> your nick
2016-11-12T17:51:33 < Kliment> kakimir: Nothing, it's just my name
2016-11-12T17:51:45 < kakimir> your surname?
2016-11-12T17:51:48 < Kliment> No
2016-11-12T17:53:01 < Kliment> My parents named me that because that was the name of choir that they were both in when they met. And that choir was named after some saint from the area of Ohrid
2016-11-12T17:53:27 < Kliment> Which is a lake on the border between macedonia and albania
2016-11-12T17:53:48 < Kliment> That's the story of my name
2016-11-12T17:54:09 < kakimir> you are Albanian?
2016-11-12T17:54:23 < kakimir> interesting story
2016-11-12T17:54:50 < Kliment> No, I'm not.
2016-11-12T17:55:10 < Kliment> In fact, now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever met anyone from there
2016-11-12T17:55:28 < Kliment> I visited ohrid once as a kid, it's a really pretty area
2016-11-12T17:57:52 < kakimir> where you are from?
2016-11-12T17:59:03 < Kliment> All over the place
2016-11-12T17:59:15 < Kliment> I'm visiting my parents who live in spain at the moment
2016-11-12T17:59:24 < Kliment> I was born in bulgaria and grew up in finland
2016-11-12T17:59:36 < Kliment> And am now german
2016-11-12T17:59:52 < Kliment> So yeah, all over.
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2016-11-12T18:00:44 < Steffanx> You have a german passport?
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2016-11-12T18:01:04 < kakimir> kuinka pitkään asuit suomessa?
2016-11-12T18:01:58 < Tectu> better move to swissland
2016-11-12T18:02:07 < Steffanx> Nein.
2016-11-12T18:02:08 < kakimir> ja miksi muutit saksaan? työn perässä?
2016-11-12T18:02:25 < Kliment> kakimir: Kymmenisen vuotta
2016-11-12T18:02:44 < Kliment> kakimir: Työn ja kielen ja rakkauden perässä
2016-11-12T18:02:46 < jpa-> oh crap, more finnishers
2016-11-12T18:03:08 < Kliment> kakimir: Ja muutenkin halusin vähän maailmaa nähdä
2016-11-12T18:03:46 < kakimir> now say you speak fluently every language of areas you mentioned?
2016-11-12T18:04:03 < Kliment> kakimir: I don't speak Spanish
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2016-11-12T18:04:18 < Kliment> kakimir: My parents do but I never lived here
2016-11-12T18:05:46 < Kliment> kakimir: So I only speak four languages fluently
2016-11-12T18:05:55 < Rob235> only
2016-11-12T18:06:28 < Tectu> four here too
2016-11-12T18:06:30 < Rob235> I speak 1
2016-11-12T18:06:36 < Kliment> Rob235: It's never too late
2016-11-12T18:06:41 < Tectu> yeah
2016-11-12T18:06:53 < Kliment> Tectu: Why would I be better moving to CH?
2016-11-12T18:07:10 < jpa-> you'd be closer to Tectu 
2016-11-12T18:07:14 < kakimir> jpa-: I'm pretty sure he doesn't completelly identify himself as a Finn because he doesn't symphatize our Finn moments on the channel
2016-11-12T18:07:14 < Rob235> true.  I have other things on my list to handle first though
2016-11-12T18:07:39 < jpa-> kakimir: we have "Finn moments" now? apart from sauna docking?
2016-11-12T18:07:40 < Tectu> Rob235, stop vaping, start learning languages :)
2016-11-12T18:08:15 < Steffanx> or both at the same time.
2016-11-12T18:08:17 < kakimir> Kliment: how does it practically become possible to live in so many places?
2016-11-12T18:08:24 < Rob235> haha, I was just thinking last night about how little I vape now
2016-11-12T18:08:31 < Kliment> kakimir: Pack up your stuff, go somewhere, and see how it works
2016-11-12T18:08:35 < jpa-> kakimir: uh, what would stop it? :D
2016-11-12T18:08:49 < Kliment> kakimir: I moved to Germany with 26kg of stuff
2016-11-12T18:09:00 < kakimir> growing your roots to one place
2016-11-12T18:09:03 < Tectu> 12kg of which was 3d printing gear?
2016-11-12T18:09:10 < Kliment> Tectu: Nah, all of that came later
2016-11-12T18:09:16 < Tectu> ah
2016-11-12T18:09:32 < Tectu> did you have a sauna back in .fi ?
2016-11-12T18:09:34 < dongs> attn Tectu http://i.imgur.com/INOB2ga.jpg
2016-11-12T18:09:51 < Kliment> Tectu: A shared one for the building, the last couple places I lived in
2016-11-12T18:09:59 < dongs> jpa-: ^ unifont in use
2016-11-12T18:10:14 < kakimir> have all the contacts, few friends maybe, have all things figured out, have your facilities set up
2016-11-12T18:10:19 < Kliment> Tectu: I never felt the need to have a private sauna - much more fun to go with friends
2016-11-12T18:10:20 < kakimir> then throw it all away
2016-11-12T18:10:39 < Tectu> Kliment, interestin
2016-11-12T18:10:41 < Kliment> kakimir: Yeah, it's not easy. But that's the main thing
2016-11-12T18:10:45 < kakimir> Kliment: what is your profession
2016-11-12T18:10:55 < Tectu> sauna inspector
2016-11-12T18:11:06 < jpa-> dongs: looks better than i expected
2016-11-12T18:11:14 < Kliment> kakimir: I do electronics and robotics development. People come to me with an idea and walk away with a working prototype
2016-11-12T18:11:39 < kakimir> you have webpages of your stuff?
2016-11-12T18:11:43 < Kliment> kakimir: No
2016-11-12T18:12:07 < Kliment> kakimir: But if you need something done, or know someone who does, I'm always looking for new projects
2016-11-12T18:12:13 < dongs> kliment is liek kickstarter
2016-11-12T18:12:16 < dongs> but actually delivers
2016-11-12T18:12:33 < Tectu> lol
2016-11-12T18:12:37 < Kliment> dongs: A number of my customers use my services on the way to a kickstarter campaign
2016-11-12T18:12:47 < dongs> not too surprised
2016-11-12T18:12:57 < dongs> maybe if more of them did, shit would actually happen
2016-11-12T18:13:11 < Kliment> Wow dongs, are you being nice for a change?
2016-11-12T18:13:22 < dongs> are you that faggot who likes obscure C++ shit?
2016-11-12T18:13:24 < kakimir> how you you find your customers?
2016-11-12T18:13:28 < dongs> i should readjust my niceness maybe
2016-11-12T18:13:31 < Kliment> dongs: Hehe
2016-11-12T18:13:46 < dongs> kakimir: by not stoning on irc
2016-11-12T18:13:49 < Kliment> dongs: I like modern C++. I don't think I've ever liked obscure C++ shit
2016-11-12T18:13:57 < kakimir> dongs: on point
2016-11-12T18:14:03 < Kliment> dongs: And I've had to work with the most obscure and weird
2016-11-12T18:14:09 < Kliment> dongs: Ever heard of Symbian OS?
2016-11-12T18:14:15 < Tectu> Nokia
2016-11-12T18:14:16 < dongs> yeah, i heard it was dead
2016-11-12T18:14:27 < Kliment> dongs: And good fucking riddance. Man, that codebase
2016-11-12T18:14:34 < Kliment> dongs: Holy shit it was insane
2016-11-12T18:14:35 < jpa-> i heard it sold more than windows phone last year
2016-11-12T18:14:49 < Kliment> jpa-: You mean S40?
2016-11-12T18:14:59 < Kliment> jpa-: Because that's a whole other codebase
2016-11-12T18:15:13 < Kliment> jpa-: I don't think anyone is making S60 devices anymore
2016-11-12T18:15:18 < dongs> Kliment: could it be worse than qualcomm brew
2016-11-12T18:15:22 < Kliment> dongs: Yes!
2016-11-12T18:15:25 < dongs> nice.
2016-11-12T18:15:29 < dongs> cuz brew was pretty bad
2016-11-12T18:15:37 < Kliment> dongs: Okay, let me try and illustrate this for you with some history
2016-11-12T18:15:47 < dongs> nah its ok i can understand
2016-11-12T18:15:59 < dongs> gotta keep refactoring this tarduino shit
2016-11-12T18:16:01 < dongs> or sleep
2016-11-12T18:16:04 < dongs> WHICH ONE WOULD IT BE
2016-11-12T18:16:18 < Kliment> dongs: A long time ago there was this lovely PDA platform called Psion
2016-11-12T18:16:25 < dongs> i think i heard of that
2016-11-12T18:16:42 < Kliment> dongs: And it was great, and it ran this OS called EPOC32 which was designed around power efficiency
2016-11-12T18:16:53 < Rob235> dongs in a good mood? You get laid last night?
2016-11-12T18:17:08 < Kliment> dongs: All software modules were designed to basically shut down everything they aren't using right that moment
2016-11-12T18:17:53 < Kliment> dongs: And all hardware resources had modules wrapped around them to keep track of who was using what and handle arbitration and shut things down as soon as noone needed them
2016-11-12T18:18:08 < Kliment> dongs: Really nice OS, a bit convoluted to use, but extremely efficient
2016-11-12T18:18:41 < Kliment> dongs: Then Nokia and Ericsson and Motorola decided to build a mobile OS for phones around that
2016-11-12T18:18:47 < Kliment> dongs: And modernise the API at the the same time
2016-11-12T18:19:12 < Kliment> dongs: So they hired a bunch of "architects" and gave them one requirement: "make it object oriented"
2016-11-12T18:19:22 < dongs> something QT something
2016-11-12T18:19:31 < Kliment> dongs: Nonono, no Qt
2016-11-12T18:19:42 < dongs> before QT?
2016-11-12T18:19:46 < Kliment> dongs: That came many many years later
2016-11-12T18:20:03 < Kliment> Anyway, each architect came up with an object hierarchy of some sort
2016-11-12T18:20:10 < Kliment> And they implemented... ALL OF THEM
2016-11-12T18:20:11 < Tectu> dongs, Qt != QT
2016-11-12T18:20:13 < Kliment> AT THE SAME TIME
2016-11-12T18:20:24 < dongs> Tectu: nice selective ignore
2016-11-12T18:21:25 < Kliment> Now, it could only be built on UNIX, and the interfaces were only partially documented, because full documentation was considered a trade secret
2016-11-12T18:21:45 < Kliment> And it only worked with one particular compiler (which cost fucktons)
2016-11-12T18:21:53 < Tectu> dongs, not at all. if you are trying to bother me with images of displays saying that you're not using ugfx in the hopes of upsetting me - keep trying. I told you before that I don't care. Use what ever fits your use case and what ever likes you. Nobody ever said that ugfx is the greatest shit and that you have to use that. So keeping posting images like that to try to upset me on purpose is just childish behavior.
2016-11-12T18:21:55 < dongs> terrible
2016-11-12T18:22:08 < Kliment> A lot of the API was modeled after the Win32 API because that was where all the developers were at the time
2016-11-12T18:22:16 < dongs> Tectu: haha okay. no im not trying to upset you <3
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2016-11-12T18:22:38 < Tectu> dongs, okay :)
2016-11-12T18:22:49 < Kliment> So you had a convoluted object hierarchy, everything named like the W32 API, weird tools that didn't run on UNIX but a build system that ONLY ran on UNIX
2016-11-12T18:23:05 < dongs> sounds fucking awful, just like lunix today
2016-11-12T18:23:26 < Kliment> Then one year it was decided to concentrate all tooling onto Windows, and to build an emulator platform
2016-11-12T18:23:44 < Kliment> They hired two interns to build the emulator, as a summer project
2016-11-12T18:24:14 < Kliment> They built it - by porting all the library functions to run on Win32
2016-11-12T18:24:36 < Kliment> So it doesn't emulate anything, it just runs your program on Windows
2016-11-12T18:24:51 < dongs> ah
2016-11-12T18:24:52 < dongs> well
2016-11-12T18:24:53 < dongs> brewdid that too
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2016-11-12T18:24:58 < dongs> the brew emulator rebuilt your shit on windows
2016-11-12T18:25:03 < Kliment> dongs: Yep, same setup
2016-11-12T18:25:16 < dongs> its not awfully bad per-se but you had no idea what hte final shit would look like on real hardware, lol
2016-11-12T18:25:29 < Kliment> dongs: Then the UNIX-based makefile-based build system was ported to Windows
2016-11-12T18:25:44 < Kliment> dongs: In half a year, with a pile of godawful Perl wrappers
2016-11-12T18:26:10 < Kliment> dongs: That basically converted all paths to windows paths by slash-to-backslash search-replace at RUNTIME
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2016-11-12T18:26:39 < Kliment> dongs: So they tried to trick make into believing it was running on UNIX
2016-11-12T18:26:53 < Kliment> dongs: It was a horribly fragile setup
2016-11-12T18:27:07 < Kliment> dongs: Things like particular characters in filenames would break it
2016-11-12T18:27:31 < Kliment> dongs: And of course it would only build with the codewarrior compiler
2016-11-12T18:28:07 < dongs> sounds like it dying was a good idea
2016-11-12T18:28:44 < Kliment> dongs: It also had its own memory-management, its own RAII implementation, its own exception system, all built on top of C++
2016-11-12T18:29:02 < Kliment> dongs: If you tried to use the standard C++ stuff, everything failed in horrible ways
2016-11-12T18:29:21 < Kliment> dongs: You had to manage the function call stack manually
2016-11-12T18:29:49 < dongs> huh. how does that work
2016-11-12T18:30:17 < Kliment> dongs: When you allocate a stack variable, you have to explicitly add it to the so-called "cleanup stack"
2016-11-12T18:30:29 < dongs> ah fun
2016-11-12T18:30:31 < Kliment> dongs: So if your function fails it gets cleaned up
2016-11-12T18:30:34 < dongs> yeah
2016-11-12T18:30:39 < Kliment> dongs: You fail to do that, you get memory leaks
2016-11-12T18:30:44 < dongs> brew had some similar dumb limitation
2016-11-12T18:30:46 < Kliment> dongs: You don't notice those in the emulator
2016-11-12T18:31:00 < Kliment> dongs: Because there are no memory sanitation tools
2016-11-12T18:31:02 < dongs> i think it was like, no stack vars at all or someshit like that
2016-11-12T18:31:12 < Kliment> dongs: Then you compile for the target and it goes boom
2016-11-12T18:31:18 < dongs> and all code was built as ropi
2016-11-12T18:31:25 < dongs> so it could be dynloaded at any address
2016-11-12T18:31:56 < Kliment> Oh, and it had this concept of active objects
2016-11-12T18:32:16 < Kliment> That is, every object of a certain category is also a thread, run using cooperative multitasking
2016-11-12T18:32:55 < Kliment> This was a remnant of EPOC's resource management system
2016-11-12T18:33:14 < Kliment> But it meant that you had to deal with multithreading in even the simplest applications
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2016-11-12T18:33:53 < dongs> i think im better off coding for windows mobile
2016-11-12T18:34:05 < Kliment> dongs: Also, even though the code base was shared among vendors, each vendor exposed different APIs
2016-11-12T18:34:06 < englishman> Tectu: but dongs is using (pirated) ugfx. as he should.
2016-11-12T18:34:08 < dongs> actually I did make some stuff with like pocketpc 2003 or wahtever for work shit
2016-11-12T18:34:40 < Kliment> dongs: Among the community of symbian devs people used to exchange header files from obscure vendors because they were the only ones that exposed some particular function
2016-11-12T18:36:03 < KreAture_Zzz> :)
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2016-11-12T18:36:23 < KreAture_> dongs the code got much better with the refactoring
2016-11-12T18:36:24 < Kliment> Anyway, enough symbian ranting
2016-11-12T18:36:48 < dongs> cool
2016-11-12T18:37:09 < Kliment> kakimir: You were asking how I find customers
2016-11-12T18:37:27 < kakimir> yes
2016-11-12T18:37:57 < Kliment> kakimir: Any way I can, basically. The most productive so far have been recommendations from existing ones
2016-11-12T18:38:58 < Kliment> kakimir: But I try to let everyone I know know I'm looking
2016-11-12T18:39:15 < Kliment> kakimir: So again, if you know someone who needs something done, point them my way
2016-11-12T18:39:56 < Kliment> kakimir: I teach some courses which also help get my name out
2016-11-12T18:40:09 < Kliment> kakimir: And some people know me from my work on 3d printing
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2016-11-12T18:42:04 < Kliment> kakimir: Where are you based?
2016-11-12T18:42:51 < Kliment> kakimir: As for self-identification, I don't like nationalism and I don't really feel a strong national identity - maybe stronger towards Germany than anywhere else, but only marginally
2016-11-12T18:43:21 < Kliment> kakimir: I often slip and say "we" when talking about Scottish independence, for example, though I've never lived there
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2016-11-12T18:43:53 < Kliment> kakimir: But when I'm with Scottish friends I can identify with the group to a high enough extent that I feel part of it
2016-11-12T18:44:44 < Kliment> kakimir: When you've lived many places the very concept of being "from" somewhere seems odd
2016-11-12T19:06:47 < englishman> dongs: do you have link to nips with jewpad screen frame
2016-11-12T19:07:41 < dongs> http://weekly.ascii.jp/elem/000/000/222/222150/ just do this to be a complete faggot
2016-11-12T19:09:57 < kakimir> Kliment: Northern Savonia
2016-11-12T19:14:35 < englishman> lol cute
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2016-11-12T19:15:38 < Laurenceb_> https://voat.co/v/cabbages
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2016-11-12T19:24:59 < dongs> why not eggplants
2016-11-12T19:44:19 < englishman> i really need to find a partkeepr alternative
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2016-11-12T19:46:58 < ReadErr> build a MS Access DB
2016-11-12T19:47:07 < ReadErr> take it back to 1998
2016-11-12T19:49:11 < Steffann> partkeepr is dead right?
2016-11-12T19:49:25 < englishman> no it's being updated
2016-11-12T19:49:32 < englishman> bunch of new bugs
2016-11-12T19:49:45 < englishman> much less useable than old 0.1.9 that was abandoned for 3 years
2016-11-12T19:52:29 < dongs> excel
2016-11-12T19:52:54 < Steffann> Excel with macros?
2016-11-12T19:53:38 < ReadErr> sounds like a good $4 freelancer job to outsource
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2016-11-12T20:01:17 < englishman> Cannot write to ‘<filename>.zip’ (Success).
2016-11-12T20:01:20 < englishman> lol lunix
2016-11-12T20:02:06 < Steffann> pebkac.
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2016-11-12T20:15:26 < Laurenceb_> heh MS Access
2016-11-12T20:15:29 < Laurenceb_> works for me
2016-11-12T20:16:56 < Steffanx> and than the crap grows into some large application and you are screwed
2016-11-12T20:17:59 < Tectu> > works for me
2016-11-12T20:18:00 < Tectu> for me too
2016-11-12T20:18:20 < Steffanx> i use quassel, yes.
2016-11-12T20:18:28 < Steffanx> I have never seen that message.
2016-11-12T20:18:48 < Steffanx> the core is on linux and the client on os x.
2016-11-12T20:18:50 < Steffanx> and android
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2016-11-12T20:20:04 < Steffanx> Im not sure what you're doing to it, to make it say that
2016-11-12T20:20:07 < Steffanx> but #quassel ;)
2016-11-12T20:20:30 < Steffanx> You were going to use it as standalone client anyway?
2016-11-12T20:21:16 < Steffanx> Quassel has the option, i guess that's the main goal of the project, to run a "core" that connects to freenode and stuff
2016-11-12T20:21:27 < Steffanx> and then you use the client to connect to the core to talk.
2016-11-12T20:22:12 < Steffanx> ok, weird.
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2016-11-12T20:22:44 < Steffanx> or pebkac ;)
2016-11-12T20:22:55 < Steffanx> but i dont know, i never had that issue.
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2016-11-12T21:52:53 < englishman> partkeepr successfully downgraded to 0.1.9
2016-11-12T21:52:56 < englishman> (Success)
2016-11-12T21:53:32 < Steffanx> It's open sores, so you can fix fixes.
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2016-11-12T22:06:06 < Steffanx> Isn't partkeepr written in php?
2016-11-12T22:08:17 < englishman> yes
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2016-11-12T23:04:29 < upgrdman> in win10 is there a hotkey or way to make a window always-on-top?
2016-11-12T23:20:45 < kakimir> windows is for simple people
2016-11-12T23:21:14 < kakimir> install third party tool
2016-11-12T23:21:46 < kakimir> http://www.howtogeek.com/196958/the-3-best-ways-to-make-a-window-always-on-top-on-windows/
2016-11-12T23:41:04 < Thorn> file explorer regularly does that on its own on my machine (win8) even though it's not a supported feature afaict
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2016-11-13T00:37:55 < TheSeven> hmmm, I'm writing RTC_CR.WUTE = 0 and RTC_ISR.WUTWF stays 0
2016-11-13T00:38:22 < TheSeven> it is 1 after resetting the chip though
2016-11-13T00:43:24 < TheSeven> any ideas what I might be missing
2016-11-13T00:43:51 < TheSeven> the manual seems to be fairly clear that setting WUTE=0 is all you need to do to get that to become 1
2016-11-13T00:43:56 < TheSeven> (f072)
2016-11-13T00:49:02 < Kliment> Steffanx: For reference, R2COM had entered the name of the irc server in the field where you put in the address of the core
2016-11-13T00:49:20 < Kliment> Steffanx: That's what generates that message
2016-11-13T00:49:35 < Steffanx> Yes, figured something like that, but I wasn't going to check :P
2016-11-13T00:49:46 < Kliment> Steffanx: Your wisdom knows no bounds
2016-11-13T00:50:09 < Steffanx> he already removed quassel, so i didnt want to spend more time on it, Kliment
2016-11-13T00:50:25 < Kliment> Steffanx: Yep, good decision
2016-11-13T00:50:48 < Kliment> Steffanx: i wish he'd remove all other clients too honestly
2016-11-13T00:50:56 < Steffanx> Haha.
2016-11-13T00:53:29 < Steffanx> I like how you make my quassel go all x-mas/disco style Kliment. As you mention me in every sentence => orange line
2016-11-13T00:59:50 < Kliment> Steffanx: If you like it I can mention you every time I talk to someone else too
2016-11-13T01:00:05 < Kliment> Steffanx: And xmas disco sounds a bit like karneval
2016-11-13T01:00:14 < Steffanx> That would be wonderful, Kliment. 
2016-11-13T01:00:40 < Steffanx> We don't do Carnival in this region.
2016-11-13T01:04:13 < Steffanx> With it be all neon, gold plating and purple crap?
2016-11-13T01:04:30 < Kliment> R2COM: Then it will sink with you on board? And trump and pence and farage? I like this idea
2016-11-13T01:05:01 < Kliment> Steffanx: What region are you in?
2016-11-13T01:05:12 < Steffanx> Northern dutchland Kliment
2016-11-13T01:05:24 < Kliment> Steffanx: Want to swap homes for Karneval?
2016-11-13T01:05:47 < Kliment> R2COM: No, that's more your thing
2016-11-13T01:06:56 < Steffanx> lol no Kliment. I would never understand that Carnival stuff
2016-11-13T01:07:12 < Kliment> Steffanx: I live right in the middle of it and don't understand it either
2016-11-13T01:07:27 < TheSeven> hmm... RTC_CR completely ignores my writes
2016-11-13T01:07:42 < TheSeven> as if going to STOP mode would reset the write protection or something
2016-11-13T01:07:49 < Kliment> Rhineland
2016-11-13T01:08:10 < Kliment> R2COM: There's only one huge ass here - you
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2016-11-13T01:08:53 < Kliment> You're still an ass
2016-11-13T01:09:24 < Steffanx> lol, why don't you just give up Kliment ;)
2016-11-13T01:09:37 < Kliment> Steffanx: You're right. Why do we even tolerate R2COM here
2016-11-13T01:09:47 < Kliment> Is he ever not a bigoted piece of shit?
2016-11-13T01:10:53 < Steffanx> We've been over this many times and we, as real democrates, decided "everything" is allowed in ##stm32.
2016-11-13T01:11:32 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: I am new, yes
2016-11-13T01:11:55 < Kliment> And I've never seen a channel tolerate such stuff before
2016-11-13T01:12:04 < Kliment> But oh well
2016-11-13T01:12:30 < Steffanx> it's something that has grown like a cancer, removing that cancer would be the end of it.
2016-11-13T01:13:23 < Kliment> Indeed
2016-11-13T01:17:28 < Steffanx> Stop feeding the troll mrs. LeelooMinai. Woud help a lot.
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2016-11-13T01:34:26 < Laurenceb_> I see epiun trolliung weoifefdh scroll
2016-11-13T01:38:06 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/21286d1529a61d22cca8d54e04c0db28a7021ce1d432ee9c9b06d40c0de940c3.png
2016-11-13T01:38:10 < Laurenceb_> TRUMP 2016!!
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2016-11-13T01:38:43 < Steffanx> time to sleep Laurenceb_.
2016-11-13T01:39:30 < Steffanx> Time to get sober.
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2016-11-13T01:40:13 < Laurenceb_> Trump-Farage
2016-11-13T01:40:28 < Rob235> will everyone please stop talking about trump
2016-11-13T01:40:33 < karlp> does leeloo still try and engage aretoo in rational debate?
2016-11-13T01:42:50 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/8438cb014887ad02650efc4d8d5b2e0e341f16caf29640b14a5beee5fe7ecbcf.png
2016-11-13T01:44:56 < upgrdman> random q: back in the day, HDDs made noise. now they dont. why? supersonic PWM for the head positioning?
2016-11-13T01:46:58 < Laurenceb_>  *triggered*
2016-11-13T01:47:24 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: huh my hard drive is pretty noisy
2016-11-13T01:47:37 < Laurenceb_> then again all my shit is cheap and nasty cuz I am too
2016-11-13T01:49:07 < Laurenceb_> WUT
2016-11-13T01:49:12 < Laurenceb_> deh stole my ideaz
2016-11-13T01:49:20 < Laurenceb_> everyones stealing muh ideaz
2016-11-13T01:49:45 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, rly? like you hears the clicks when it reads?
2016-11-13T01:50:03 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: yeah but I guess its not AS LOUD
2016-11-13T01:50:14 < Laurenceb_> maybe neodywqsdwoij magnet
2016-11-13T01:50:32 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai: is this ARM applicdsd nute?
2016-11-13T01:52:39 < Laurenceb_> ah I see on google books
2016-11-13T01:53:20 < Laurenceb_> published my arm, nice
2016-11-13T02:07:10 < Rob235> i hate food
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2016-11-13T02:12:12 < Rob235> I could work on my tan
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2016-11-13T02:28:37 < TheSeven> does anyone here happen to know if SD cards in SPI mode need a clock while waiting for them to finish e.g. writing, i.e. MISO going high?
2016-11-13T02:37:25 < TheSeven> there's just the SPI bus
2016-11-13T02:37:36 < TheSeven> the card signals that it's finished by sending 0xff instead of 0x00
2016-11-13T02:37:51 < TheSeven> so the MISO line is effectively acting as a busy/irq signal
2016-11-13T02:37:59 < TheSeven> I'm just wondering if I have to actually clock it
2016-11-13T02:39:47 < TheSeven> well this is just "spi-compatibility mode" on an SDIO interface
2016-11-13T02:39:59 < TheSeven> so I figure they might actually change the level of that pin even if there is no clock
2016-11-13T02:40:20 < TheSeven> I don't think they even keep byte sync during that busy thing
2016-11-13T02:41:28 < zyp> «When the card is busy, the host controller can deassert CS to release SPI bus for other SPI devices on the bus.»
2016-11-13T02:41:39 < TheSeven> well you basically need to poll it, but I'm trying to get around that with an EXTI line
2016-11-13T02:42:11 < TheSeven> zyp: but does that mean that the signal will only change on a clock edge?
2016-11-13T02:42:30 < zyp> TheSeven, dunno, test it?
2016-11-13T02:43:02 < TheSeven> LeelooMinai: that's in SDIO mode for non-storage cards
2016-11-13T02:43:14 < TheSeven> i.e. SDIO wifi dongles and the likes
2016-11-13T02:45:20 < upgrdman> with printf() for floats, is it possible to specify the precision taking into account the int and fraction part together? like %5f but if the int part takes up 5+ digits, then dont show the fractional part. if if the int part is 2 digits, show 3 digits of the fractional part.
2016-11-13T02:45:26 < zyp> fwiw SD signalling will clock the card while busy: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/e16v1.png
2016-11-13T02:46:56 < upgrdman> %x.4f ?
2016-11-13T02:48:54 < zyp> upgrdman, no, it's not possible
2016-11-13T02:49:14 < upgrdman> zyp, thats what i thought :/ k thx
2016-11-13T02:49:39 < zyp> unless you can get away with %5g
2016-11-13T02:49:48 < zyp> I haven't used %g so I don't know how that will behave
2016-11-13T02:51:11 < zyp> quick testing with python suggests that something like %05g should give you the desired behavior
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2016-11-13T02:52:21 < upgrdman> zyp, bummer, doesnt work like that in java
2016-11-13T02:53:13 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, ya i want, for exmaple:  123456.78 -> "123456"      123.45678 -> "123.45"    0.12345678 -> "0.1234" etc
2016-11-13T02:53:48 < upgrdman> basically 5 digits of precision, but always show the entire int part even if its >5
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2016-11-13T02:54:40 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, %5f? no
2016-11-13T02:55:26 < upgrdman> ya
2016-11-13T02:55:52 < zyp> what about just formatting the string and then cutting it?
2016-11-13T02:56:42 < upgrdman> that sounds... perfect
2016-11-13T02:57:16 < zyp> just make sure you check the index of the decimal point and don't cut fewer letters than that
2016-11-13T02:57:21 < upgrdman> ya
2016-11-13T02:57:23 < zyp> so 123456.something gets cut to 12345
2016-11-13T02:57:24 < zyp> :)
2016-11-13T02:57:52 < zyp> also, rounding gets a bit fucked since you're truncating, it's like floor()
2016-11-13T02:58:02 < upgrdman> floor is fine for this appl
2016-11-13T03:11:10 < dongs> sup python pros
2016-11-13T03:26:10 < zyp> I'm just using a linked list sorted by deadline
2016-11-13T03:26:26 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/laks/tree/os/thread.h?id=e14b2f0 <- ref. reschedule() and set_sleeping()
2016-11-13T03:29:07 < ColdKeyboard> Is there a library for interfacing with OmniVision CMOS Camera?
2016-11-13T03:29:29 < zyp> LeelooMinai, even scheduling and thread scheduling isn't all that different
2016-11-13T03:29:37 < zyp> event scheduling*
2016-11-13T03:29:37 < ColdKeyboard> And would STM32F411RE (on discvoery board) be fast enough to capture one frame?
2016-11-13T03:30:04 < zyp> LeelooMinai, just think of waking up a thread as a kind of events
2016-11-13T03:30:59 < dongs> sometimes i think of waking up and not seeing leelooman chats in the channel
2016-11-13T03:31:00 < zyp> ColdKeyboard, does it have DCMI?
2016-11-13T03:31:17 < ColdKeyboard> 411 doesn't
2016-11-13T03:31:37 < dongs> i dont think 411 has any useful periperals just like 401
2016-11-13T03:31:42 < dongs> the ghetto of stm
2016-11-13T03:32:18 < dongs> ah i  think it has those 144mhz timers
2016-11-13T03:32:37 < dongs> hmm nope
2016-11-13T03:32:47 < ColdKeyboard> I was thinking of trying to get some frames from camera
2016-11-13T03:32:53 < dongs> what camera
2016-11-13T03:33:00 < zyp> LeelooMinai, difference is in context switching and handling of the ready queue, so you can disregard that, but the sorted sleep queue is conceptually the same and could even be combined
2016-11-13T03:33:05 < dongs> most of them you need to clock at 27mhz
2016-11-13T03:33:06 < ColdKeyboard> and then maybe afterwards try and run some QR code recognition... but that's far down the road
2016-11-13T03:33:11 < dongs> while reading out parallel data, without delay
2016-11-13T03:33:21 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUBXRSK0osI
2016-11-13T03:33:26 < dongs> which, even with  DCMI, is difficult unless you have external ram Or directly DMA'ing the camera eimage into say, LCD
2016-11-13T03:33:30 < ColdKeyboard> dongs I think I have some OmniVision CMOS camera, 2MP or something like that. Have to check storage, or order one :)
2016-11-13T03:34:14 < dongs> Smallest Cortex-M4 based device available in the entire STM32 portfolio, down to 2.553 x 2.579 mm
2016-11-13T03:34:44 < dongs> why are those wlcsp packages such weird sized
2016-11-13T03:34:45 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: omg 4chan has been busy
2016-11-13T03:35:25 < zyp> LeelooMinai, oh, okay, you were talking about RTC and wake up events, so I assumed you would put the entire chip to sleep until there's anything to do
2016-11-13T03:35:27 < ohsix> ReadErr: threads or stfu, huuhu
2016-11-13T03:36:01 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: believe it or not, unrelated; that's an animator dude, he doesn't know how to make a game i guess, so he made a video and produced some art/music to show how it would play
2016-11-13T03:36:21 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-11-13T03:36:25 < Laurenceb_> https://ssdv.habhub.org/images/2016-11-12--05-04-32-VK5QI-B3FF.jpeg
2016-11-13T03:36:31 < Laurenceb_> this looks suspect
2016-11-13T03:36:57 < ColdKeyboard> zyp Where can I read more about DCMI?
2016-11-13T03:37:17 < zyp> F407 reference manual
2016-11-13T03:37:54 < zyp> (or any other part with DCMI)
2016-11-13T03:38:29 < dongs> better hope you have enough ram for it
2016-11-13T03:38:29 < zyp> LeelooMinai, have you given any thought about RTC resolution?
2016-11-13T03:38:46 < dongs> leelooman doens't seem to give much thought to a lot of things
2016-11-13T03:39:17 < zyp> I said resolution, not accuracy
2016-11-13T03:39:33 < zyp> can you even access the raw count?
2016-11-13T03:39:35 < ohsix> gasoline is such diiiiiiiicks, i hate the shit out of it on my hands and smelling it for hours even if i'm super careful
2016-11-13T03:40:58 < zyp> non-linear times is also kinda annoying to work with
2016-11-13T03:41:31 < zyp> you need to dick around with modulo operations and shit
2016-11-13T03:41:45 < zyp> to add a delta to current timestamp
2016-11-13T03:42:02 < zyp> I wish they still had a linear time register like the F1 RTC
2016-11-13T03:42:15 < ohsix> aw hahah i trained my dog a bit outside last pee break and now she's all subservient and prissy, she normally scratches the door when she wants in the room but she was just sitting there this time
2016-11-13T03:42:58 < zyp> IIRC F1 RTC operated on plain integer timestamps, not a full calendar
2016-11-13T03:43:09 < zyp> or whatever you call it
2016-11-13T03:43:26 < zyp> I haven't used the RTC on either yet
2016-11-13T03:44:03 < zyp> doesn't look like the alarm registers have anything more than second resolution
2016-11-13T03:44:35 < zyp> which is what I thought
2016-11-13T03:44:56 < zyp> looking at F4 datasheet, unsure if L4 is different
2016-11-13T03:47:02 < zyp> which L4 RM should I grab?
2016-11-13T03:48:25 < zyp> ah, it's identical to F4 RTC, I just missed the alarm sub second registers
2016-11-13T03:49:25 < zyp> I still think the best solution is a hybrid scheduler
2016-11-13T03:49:54 < zyp> use a normal freerunning timer as system timebase, think CLOCK_MONOTONIC, and use that for all short term scheduling and sleeping
2016-11-13T03:50:30 < zyp> and then when you don't have anything to do for a longer time (think several seconds or something) then set up an RTC alarm and go to deeper sleep
2016-11-13T03:50:56 < zyp> RTC would then be like CLOCK_REALTIME
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2016-11-13T03:52:05 < zyp> setting up RTC alarms are much more expensive, just considering the calculation of the alarm timestamp
2016-11-13T03:53:42 < zyp> and there's also the various sleep modes to consider
2016-11-13T03:54:04 < zyp> stopping/restarting oscillators and stuff takes time, for short sleeps that's kinda pointless
2016-11-13T03:57:19 < zyp> why flags? when you run out of stuff to do just check the deadline of the next event in the queue and decide based on how long you'll have to wait
2016-11-13T03:57:40 < dongs> man this convo sounds like a fucking echo chamber
2016-11-13T03:57:44 < dongs> same topic for weeks now
2016-11-13T03:57:53 < dongs> i could have written 10 sleeping schedulers in this time
2016-11-13T03:57:55 < dongs> and moved the fuck on
2016-11-13T03:57:57 < zyp> haha
2016-11-13T03:58:17 < dongs> autism at its finest
2016-11-13T03:58:24 < zyp> idk, I haven't been involved in any sleep discussions until now
2016-11-13T03:59:24 < dongs> zyp, cuz same shit keeps coming up ,was either karlp or jpa or someone else involved in it more than once
2016-11-13T03:59:37 < dongs> none of our answers are "acceptable" so shit keeps repeating
2016-11-13T03:59:51 < zyp> LeelooMinai, ah, like wakelocks in android then
2016-11-13T04:00:17 < dongs> heh sourcetree can't show diffs between real unicode files
2016-11-13T04:00:25 < dongs> like, saved in 16bit encoding
2016-11-13T04:00:29 < dongs> treats it as binary
2016-11-13T04:00:43 < zyp> LeelooMinai, shut up and keep to the topic
2016-11-13T04:01:21 < zyp> because I'm not trying to have a discussion with him
2016-11-13T04:08:12 < dongs> wow
2016-11-13T04:08:22 < dongs> a single pow() left over by mistake in code, +2k binary
2016-11-13T04:08:38 < dongs> (shoiuld have been powf()
2016-11-13T04:08:59 < zyp> well, it draws in the whole double emulation libs
2016-11-13T04:09:03 < dongs> ya
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2016-11-13T05:09:24 < TheSeven> hm, is there any sane way of changing the priority of the currently executing IRQ handler on f072 (m0+)?
2016-11-13T05:09:32 < TheSeven> i.e. making an IRQ preemptable by itself
2016-11-13T05:12:20 < TheSeven> I doubt it will change the priority of the running stack frame
2016-11-13T05:12:32 < TheSeven> that would probably be copied into some kind of state register on IRQ entry
2016-11-13T05:13:20 < TheSeven> also changing the IRQ priority wouldn't help - either it wouldn't affect the running code, or it would affect the new IRQ as well, no no matter what you do, it would queue up behind the currently running one
2016-11-13T05:13:53 < TheSeven> I'd guess that you'd need to convince the core that you've actually left the IRQ, but that would drop to the lowest priority level - I want something in between
2016-11-13T05:14:17 < TheSeven> LeelooMinai: IIUC there's a magic LR value that tells the core that you're leaving the handler
2016-11-13T05:14:31 < TheSeven> which is what drops execution priority
2016-11-13T05:14:55 < TheSeven> well the whole point of this is to get as quickly as possible away from a high priority level
2016-11-13T05:15:12 < TheSeven> this is what PENDSV is for, but I basically need two different PENDSV priority levels, which doesn't work well either
2016-11-13T05:15:28 < TheSeven> on M3/M4 it's easy with the BASEPRI register, but I can't think of a way to achieve this on M0/M0+
2016-11-13T05:15:45 < TheSeven> sure
2016-11-13T05:16:28 < TheSeven> the root cause of my problem is that I have two EXTI IRQs that end up on the same IRQ number on F072 which need different priority
2016-11-13T05:18:58 < dongs> check the SYSCFG->4UT15M register
2016-11-13T05:19:17 < TheSeven> on F072, EXTI lines 4 through 15 all trigger IRQ 7
2016-11-13T05:19:34 < dongs> and? you can still get individual line by EXTI_Whatever stuff right?
2016-11-13T05:19:44 < TheSeven> but I need to process that at different priorities
2016-11-13T05:19:57 < dongs> not gonna happen
2016-11-13T05:19:57 < TheSeven> i.e. EXTI13 needs to be able to preempt EXTI4
2016-11-13T05:20:20 < ohsix> hm there's a new f0 board on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Mini-System-Development-Board-ARM-STM32-F030F4P6-CORTEX-M0-Core-32bit-48MHz-/262664308353?hash=item3d28034681:g:XD8AAOSw8w1X-LWi
2016-11-13T05:21:16 < ohsix> lul st logo on the bottom
2016-11-13T05:21:20 < TheSeven> well I wouldn't care if the EXTI4 handler very briefly runs at EXTI13 priority, but it needs to drop priority or defer that work quickly
2016-11-13T05:21:39 < TheSeven> but without being able to change the priority of the currently running handler like on M3, this is difficult
2016-11-13T05:22:28 < TheSeven> well yeah that would be the hacky way if there's some IRQ that I don't need
2016-11-13T05:22:45 < TheSeven> I'd probably rather defer the lower priority one, but the end result is similar
2016-11-13T05:22:58 < TheSeven> there are no reserved ones on F072
2016-11-13T05:23:17 < TheSeven> but I could hijack something useless, touch sense or something ;)
2016-11-13T05:23:27 < TheSeven> LeelooMinai: M0 NVIC only has 32 channels
2016-11-13T05:23:57 < TheSeven> ohsix: wow, nice overpriced F030F4P6 board
2016-11-13T05:24:13 < TheSeven> suspiciously high pin count at the edges, given the low MCU pin count ;)
2016-11-13T05:24:27 < TheSeven> kinda resembles my $1 board
2016-11-13T05:25:14 < TheSeven> but mine is a bit smaller and includes some footprints for commonly used stuff (step-up converter, NRF24L01 module, SPI flash or microSD, ...
2016-11-13T05:25:48 < TheSeven> hmm might work, similar to pendsv
2016-11-13T05:25:51 < ohsix> TheSeven: yea they're available elsewhere, but i'm not often looking somewhere else
2016-11-13T05:25:56 < TheSeven> but isn't really any different
2016-11-13T05:26:16 < TheSeven> what the heck happens if you just run an SWI instruction at a higher priority than what the SVCall exception has?
2016-11-13T05:29:35 < ohsix> ReadErr: are you watching dirk gently?
2016-11-13T05:29:55 < TheSeven> hm I'm not sure if I can set SVC pending somehow from a higher priority
2016-11-13T05:30:10 < TheSeven> but I could actually abuse the systick handler :=
2016-11-13T05:30:38 < TheSeven> that one seems to be very similar to pendsv
2016-11-13T05:30:43 < TheSeven> and I'm not using systick anyway
2016-11-13T05:31:51 < ohsix> you might be surprised to know that arm has a big thing about how the nvic works ;]
2016-11-13T05:32:19 < TheSeven> hm?
2016-11-13T05:33:33 < TheSeven> I probably meant SVC
2016-11-13T05:34:14 < TheSeven> I'm not really used to assembly programming on cortex M, but did quite a bit of it on ARM7/9/11, so I might be mixing up things
2016-11-13T05:34:33 < dongs> whjy would youeven touch asm on cortex-m
2016-11-13T05:37:44 < TheSeven> well I have some inline void WFI() { __asm__("WFI"); } style assembly for it, but that's about it
2016-11-13T05:37:59 < dongs> thats dumb
2016-11-13T05:37:59 < TheSeven> oh and one tight loop in some data processing code
2016-11-13T05:38:03 < dongs> have you ever heard of CMSIS?
2016-11-13T05:38:10 < dongs> it has those intrinsics just for this use
2016-11-13T05:38:16 < dongs> and they're compiler-independent too
2016-11-13T05:38:25 < dongs> __WFI() or wahtever, will build on any compiler not just faggotgcc
2016-11-13T05:38:40 < TheSeven> well this is exactly what's in that CMSIS header file
2016-11-13T05:38:50 < TheSeven> (inside the appropriate ifdef)
2016-11-13T05:38:51 < dongs> irrelevant what's in it
2016-11-13T05:39:03 < dongs> what you should be using is the public function
2016-11-13T05:39:06 < dongs> not hardcoded asm
2016-11-13T05:39:20 < TheSeven> I just meant that this is the only kind of assembly thing appearing in ANY code in my projects
2016-11-13T05:39:22 < ohsix> TheSeven: http://115.28.165.193/down/arm/arch/ARMv6-M_Architecture_Reference_Manual.pdf
2016-11-13T05:39:38 < dongs> i wouldnt consider that assembly if youre calling public cmsis function
2016-11-13T05:39:50 < TheSeven> aside from this: https://github.com/TheSeven/firmware/blob/master/src/device/ws2811/stm32/ws2811_stm32.cpp#L159
2016-11-13T05:40:11 < dongs> jesus fucking christ why
2016-11-13T05:40:26 < TheSeven> dongs: I meant to express that I'm actually impressed that you can do *everything* else, including startup code, in C on Cortex-M
2016-11-13T05:40:42 < TheSeven> that just these intrinsics are all ASM that you'll ever need
2016-11-13T05:41:01 < ohsix> i do like the c startup file in cmsis5
2016-11-13T05:41:20 < ohsix> it is basically same as the assembly, almost literally
2016-11-13T05:42:15 < dongs> TheSeven: why the flying fuck do you have filling up a fucking timer array as asm? are you gonna tell me your shit is faster than letting compiler compile something like http://bcas.tv/paste/results/NPusug14.html ?
2016-11-13T05:42:33 < TheSeven> dongs: yes, it is, by quite a bit
2016-11-13T05:42:38 < dongs> bullshit
2016-11-13T05:43:02 < TheSeven> compile the C equivalent and it will fail to keep up with DMA
2016-11-13T05:43:09 < dongs> ... what
2016-11-13T05:43:17 < dongs> my perfectly working code disagrees
2016-11-13T05:43:38 < TheSeven> how many strings at which frequency on which core?
2016-11-13T05:44:07 < TheSeven> I also need a bit of spare time to handle incoming data, so it may at most use 60% or so of the CPU
2016-11-13T05:44:23 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/lbAY5H23.html
2016-11-13T05:49:41 < ohsix> TheSeven: are you bit banging them?
2016-11-13T05:49:57 < TheSeven> dongs: rough estimate from looking at the code would be that mine is ~30% faster
2016-11-13T05:50:10 < dongs> lol.
2016-11-13T05:50:35 < dongs> i dont even know what the fuck your code does
2016-11-13T05:50:38 < TheSeven> ohsix: bitbanging what? ws2811? no, using timers to do that
2016-11-13T05:51:19 < TheSeven> dongs: basically the same as yours, just more efficiently
2016-11-13T05:51:28 < dongs> incorrect
2016-11-13T05:51:31 < TheSeven> (as well as handling multiple strings and updating pointers etc.)
2016-11-13T05:52:04 < dongs> nobody knows what your code does because it doens't compile outside gcc
2016-11-13T05:52:59 < TheSeven> lines 163-183 are basically equivalent to yours
2016-11-13T05:53:40 < dongs> except I didnt have to wank to get them to work, or worry about preprocessing input 
2016-11-13T05:54:19 < TheSeven> 18 instructions instead of 19, but the innermost loop just has 9 instead of 14 and less memory accesses and branches
2016-11-13T05:54:37 < TheSeven> well preprocessing input is exactly what this code is doing ;)
2016-11-13T05:55:07 < TheSeven> you give it an array of pointers to the RGB data for 4 strings, and it will write timer data to the DMA buffer
2016-11-13T05:55:49 < TheSeven> mine would need around 240 clock cycles per pixel, i.e. 5µs
2016-11-13T05:56:22 < dongs> i am *way* too lazy togfive a fuck to actually measure mine
2016-11-13T05:56:23 < ohsix> eh, dma with spi?
2016-11-13T05:56:36 < dongs> the fact that I can look at my code and see what it does
2016-11-13T05:56:36 < TheSeven> dma with timers
2016-11-13T05:56:41 < dongs> and compile it on any compiler
2016-11-13T05:56:42 < ohsix> oh
2016-11-13T05:56:45 < ohsix> to pins
2016-11-13T05:56:50 < dongs> and your shit is some gccism that doesnt work anywhere else
2016-11-13T05:56:53 < ohsix> are you doing 8 strings of them?
2016-11-13T05:56:53 < TheSeven> yup, compare channels
2016-11-13T05:56:56 < TheSeven> 4
2016-11-13T05:56:56 < dongs> *and* the logic is unclear
2016-11-13T05:57:02 < ohsix> k
2016-11-13T05:57:14 < ohsix> how long is each string?
2016-11-13T05:57:19 < TheSeven> dongs: nothing that changing __asm__ to something else, and maybe adding some comments, couldn't fix
2016-11-13T05:57:27 < dongs> incorrect
2016-11-13T05:57:31 < TheSeven> ohsix: basically limited by RAM
2016-11-13T05:57:34 < ohsix> spi & dma could probably do all of them
2016-11-13T05:57:37 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-13T05:57:40 < TheSeven> usually 150 or 300 pixels
2016-11-13T05:57:45 < TheSeven> (to get reasonable framerate)
2016-11-13T05:57:46 < dongs> inline asm is not permitted by any real compiler
2016-11-13T05:57:51 < dongs> outside of cmsis intrinsics
2016-11-13T05:58:03 < dongs> because in 2016, chances of you writing better code than compiler are practically zero
2016-11-13T05:59:35 < TheSeven> you have 30µs per pixel at 800kHz, and my code needs around 20 to preprocess the data, which leaves just enough space for input handling (DMX or whatever you choose to use)
2016-11-13T06:00:15 < TheSeven> dongs' code would be just above 100% CPU load just with the preprocessing
2016-11-13T06:00:42 < Rob235> what mcu are you using that you need to go that far for leds?
2016-11-13T06:00:44 < dongs> i didnt time the shit because it works
2016-11-13T06:00:52 < TheSeven> Rob235: stm32f030f4p6
2016-11-13T06:01:00 < dongs> therefore its way below whatever it should be using
2016-11-13T06:01:03 < TheSeven> 48MHz M0, 4KiB RAM
2016-11-13T06:02:20 < TheSeven> dongs: your code would never do 4 strings in parallel at 800kHz realtime at 48MHz, no way
2016-11-13T06:03:22 < ohsix> in parallel is kind of cheating ;]
2016-11-13T06:03:39 < TheSeven> well, what do you have 4 compare channels on the timer for? ;)
2016-11-13T06:04:02 < dongs> so fucking what? im sure if this was my application to implement I would have written appropriate C code that made it work
2016-11-13T06:04:25 < TheSeven> I don't think you would be able to with the given resources
2016-11-13T06:04:27 < dongs> there's no fucking reason ever to go from expanding bits into 2 timer uint16s in ASM
2016-11-13T06:04:30 < dongs> period.
2016-11-13T06:04:52 < ohsix> Up to two SPIs are able to communicate up to 18 Mbits/s
2016-11-13T06:04:56 < ohsix> f103
2016-11-13T06:05:14 < TheSeven> maybe, if you're extremely lucky, and actually translate that ASM code to C very carefully, and tell the compiler step by step what to do
2016-11-13T06:05:26 < TheSeven> but I guess it would still fail becuase it would run out of registers or something silly
2016-11-13T06:05:30 < dongs> my compiler doesn't need telling anything step by step
2016-11-13T06:05:31 < dongs> it just wroks
2016-11-13T06:05:33 < dongs> works, too
2016-11-13T06:05:44 < dongs> including inserting things like REV16 where needed
2016-11-13T06:05:44 < ohsix> the conceit is that he is using keil
2016-11-13T06:05:48 < dongs> GCC still doesn't even support this on ARM
2016-11-13T06:05:48 < TheSeven> well, the code that you just posted wouldn't ;)
2016-11-13T06:05:56 < ohsix> but, he got you to talk to him instead of working
2016-11-13T06:06:02 < dongs> thats because I wrote it to work, not to masturbate
2016-11-13T06:06:45 < ohsix> .8mbit/s*4 is slowbro
2016-11-13T06:07:14 < TheSeven> the problem is that it's some kind of manchester encoding
2016-11-13T06:07:17 < ohsix> even if this is true i wouldn't worry about it too much
2016-11-13T06:07:19 < ohsix> right
2016-11-13T06:07:26 < TheSeven> you *might* get away with 3 SPI bits per data bit
2016-11-13T06:07:33 < ohsix> it will have some integer divisor overhead done w/ spi
2016-11-13T06:08:20 < TheSeven> and preprocessing that is the expensive part
2016-11-13T06:08:37 < ohsix> o
2016-11-13T06:08:43 < TheSeven> with some clever bit flipping it might be best to just DMA to 8 GPIO pins for 8 strips in parallel
2016-11-13T06:08:51 < ohsix> also there is a speed limit on the ws2812 so this is all moot
2016-11-13T06:09:03 < TheSeven> especially if you could somehow make your data source deliver the input data with bit-level strip interleaving
2016-11-13T06:09:33 < TheSeven> the ws2812 is fixed speed, so you need to be able to deliver those 800kbit/s
2016-11-13T06:09:45 < ohsix> Fosc2 = 800khz
2016-11-13T06:09:49 < ohsix> right
2016-11-13T06:09:56 < ohsix> i forgot
2016-11-13T06:10:08 < ohsix> was using 2719 things where the ~limit is 10mhz
2016-11-13T06:10:12 < ohsix> 7219
2016-11-13T06:11:47 < TheSeven> and 800kbit/s means 60 instructions per bit on 4/8 strips in parallel or 1440 per pixel (30µs)
2016-11-13T06:12:08 < ohsix> i love me some mootification
2016-11-13T06:12:28 < TheSeven> I'd be curious if there's a way to handle 8 strips on adjacent GPIO pins
2016-11-13T06:13:12 < TheSeven> with some clever timer + DMA + GPIO trickery the constant bits could be inserted by other DMA channels, so you'd just have to convert RGB data into bit-level interleaving for 8 strips
2016-11-13T06:14:07 < TheSeven> ~400 instructions to reorder the bits of 8 bytes into another 8 bytes
2016-11-13T06:14:51 < TheSeven> yup, but give me that $.40 FPGA :P
2016-11-13T06:15:44 < TheSeven> 64 bits to move, each AND, SHIFT, OR, a bit of load/store... that should actually fit into 400 clocks
2016-11-13T06:16:07 < TheSeven> would definitely be a nice challenge
2016-11-13T06:21:08 < TheSeven> heh WS2811 on PA0-7, USART1 on PA9/10, SWD on PA13/14, a status LED on PB1, an xtal on PF0/1
2016-11-13T06:21:25 < TheSeven> stm32f030f4p6 looks like the perfect match for that application
2016-11-13T06:22:05 < TheSeven> to drive 8 digital LED strips in parallel controlled by data pushed in via UART
2016-11-13T06:22:12 < TheSeven> actually the uart might become the bottleneck
2016-11-13T06:23:05 < TheSeven> what can they do? 6Mbaud?
2016-11-13T06:23:47 < TheSeven> that would just feed 6 strips :P
2016-11-13T06:23:52 < TheSeven> barely
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2016-11-13T06:39:40 < ColdKeyboard> Other than http://www.3dcontentcentral.com where do you guys download step files for your pcb layout?
2016-11-13T06:40:18 < ColdKeyboard> I usually find there 90% of step files for my 3D PCB layout preview but I can't find 6 pin 1.2x1.2mm DFN package
2016-11-13T06:42:28 < ColdKeyboard> LeelooMinai I'm using Altium. How can I do that? :)
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2016-11-13T06:46:35 < ColdKeyboard> Okay, I'll try that right now. Thanks!
2016-11-13T06:47:05 < ColdKeyboard> AWEEESOOOMEEE :D
2016-11-13T06:47:17 < ColdKeyboard> I didn't even know about this. LeelooMinai thanks man!
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2016-11-13T07:01:02 < ohsix> lul nes mini has an alwinner r16 in it
2016-11-13T07:01:18 < ohsix> it runs linux
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2016-11-13T07:19:58 < upgrdman> wow, this is cool. i didnt know we had gotten to the point of live mocap for both body and facial expressions. legit impressive:  https://youtu.be/xvMgGGMPzFU?t=3954
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2016-11-13T07:48:48 < ohsix> upgrdman: eh been a while,  but neat
2016-11-13T07:48:55 < ohsix> putting the rig on the person is newish
2016-11-13T07:50:50 < ohsix> that shit is always so cringe
2016-11-13T07:51:00 < ohsix> even when the voice actor isn't visible
2016-11-13T07:51:50 < ohsix> i wanna make some point about commodification of motion capture and crap games, but i can't think of a clever way to do it
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2016-11-13T08:14:59 < dongs> wat, is that CG or osmething
2016-11-13T08:17:32 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/scanlime/status/735853572840030208
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2016-11-13T08:37:48 < ohsix> heh, trevor noah made a 'the gods must be crazy' joke and nobody in the audience understood what was happening
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2016-11-13T08:43:12 < ohsix> https://www.fastcompany.com/3062835/hr/microsoft-autism-hiring
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2016-11-13T09:19:06 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/797148035520208896 huhuh
2016-11-13T09:19:31 < ohsix> (nyt article from 1922 talking about hitler being unserious about antisemitism)
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2016-11-13T10:00:52 < ohsix> Remove  237 Packages
2016-11-13T10:00:52 < ohsix> Installed size: 12 G
2016-11-13T10:00:59 < ohsix> that seems like a lot for debug information
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2016-11-13T10:06:38 < stvn> pump 'em and dump 'em
2016-11-13T10:12:13 < ohsix> https://youtu.be/hFwY9jfv6uU
2016-11-13T10:12:26 < stvn> and that's just for some
2016-11-13T10:13:00 < stvn> ah yeah hyperautism + electronics, nice mix o6
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2016-11-13T10:17:27 < stvn> hi LeelooMinai 
2016-11-13T10:18:08 < stvn> have you corrected your gender crisis?
2016-11-13T10:18:59 < ohsix> DC had to reboot their universe for their crisis
2016-11-13T10:19:04 < stvn> oh i'm just rolling along with what i hear
2016-11-13T10:19:07 < ohsix> comic book jokes, woo hey
2016-11-13T10:19:18 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Crisis
2016-11-13T10:19:34 < ohsix> fack, i only knew about that cuz a friend was reading it, that it happened in 2006 is scary
2016-11-13T10:19:45 < stvn> you could say that LeelooMinai 
2016-11-13T10:20:35 < stvn> LeelooMinai, i don't know what actually is... certainly not the news
2016-11-13T10:20:49 < stvn> nah R2COM is fully into the pussy
2016-11-13T10:21:46 < stvn> ah okay
2016-11-13T10:21:50 < stvn> but do you like stm32 best?
2016-11-13T10:22:21 < stvn> yes
2016-11-13T10:22:24 < stvn> stm32 is best 32
2016-11-13T10:22:31 < stvn> 32
2016-11-13T10:22:33 < stvn> obviously
2016-11-13T10:23:04 < stvn> okay.
2016-11-13T10:24:01 < stvn> i like potatos
2016-11-13T10:29:08 < ohsix> how's your arm
2016-11-13T10:29:11 < ohsix> and your ducks
2016-11-13T10:29:23 < stvn> ty
2016-11-13T10:29:27 < stvn> good
2016-11-13T10:29:35 < ohsix> superb
2016-11-13T10:40:09 < Fleck> http://i.imgur.com/HAPUpyM.gif <<<< gets uggly pretty fast!
2016-11-13T10:40:24 < Fleck> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/omega2-5-linux-computer-with-wi-fi-made-for-iot# 
2016-11-13T10:40:40 < dongs> got some more wood cut
2016-11-13T10:41:23 < ohsix> Fleck: it's weird how the arduino hats thing ended up becoming a de-facto standard
2016-11-13T10:41:33 < ohsix> the proliferation of other ones is kind of annoying
2016-11-13T10:41:57 < stvn> INTERNET OF SHIT
2016-11-13T10:42:18 < Fleck> LeelooMinai: ?
2016-11-13T10:43:08 < dongs> LeelooMan: tell Fleck hes a fucking faggot
2016-11-13T10:43:49 < upgrdman> ohsix, re: nyt, lol. before it was the conservative comparing the president to hitler. now it's the liberals.
2016-11-13T10:44:25 < dongs> upgrdman: why you gotta enable
2016-11-13T10:44:30 < Fleck> ohsix: yeah, weird
2016-11-13T10:44:46 < upgrdman> dongs, sorry bro. sometimes he's fun to chat with.
2016-11-13T10:45:47 < Fleck> ahh, sure, that stacking is bad in so many ways :D
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2016-11-13T10:47:58 < Fleck> :)
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2016-11-13T11:03:27 < dongs> http://britishasiansuk.com/pakistani-news-channel-claims-donald-trump-was-born-in-pakistan-as-dawood-ibrahim-khan/
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2016-11-13T11:14:08 < stvn> PLS
2016-11-13T11:14:17 < dongs> ABS
2016-11-13T11:14:42 < stvn> oh hi
2016-11-13T11:14:59 < dongs> u tryin to troll?
2016-11-13T11:15:04 < stvn> nuh
2016-11-13T11:15:35 < stvn> twitter is the place 2 troll
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2016-11-13T11:50:29 < decimad> if you have only one small object pool it's easy, yeah... if not you're quickly in the memory/perf-tradeoff zone
2016-11-13T11:51:35 < decimad> although I would guess it's not reasonable to have multiple small object heaps... if you need a specified amount of type X you can always make a pool for that only
2016-11-13T11:53:31 < stvn> LeelooMinai, where is kakimir 
2016-11-13T11:54:06 < decimad> I rather meant only having one generic pool and everything else in its special pool
2016-11-13T11:54:24 < decimad> what's that level0, level1 about? any name for that to look up?
2016-11-13T11:54:42 < stvn> LeelooMinai, help me out here
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2016-11-13T11:57:20 < decimad> I generally fail to see that one really needs to allocate memory for objects smaller than the platform pointer type
2016-11-13T11:57:55 < decimad> oh, but you're having different sizes
2016-11-13T11:58:34 < decimad> I was happy to use per-size pools up til now, maybe it will change some time
2016-11-13T11:59:12 < decimad> then you're having a free-list in the empty spots and everything is easy and quick
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2016-11-13T12:00:03 < decimad> the pool stores a pointer to the first free element, that element stores the pointer to the next free element, and so forth
2016-11-13T12:00:38 < decimad> why?
2016-11-13T12:01:12 < decimad> no, the pointer is stored there if there's no element
2016-11-13T12:01:22 < decimad> the space just gets used differently
2016-11-13T12:02:06 < decimad> it's free if it can be tracked down from the pointer to the first free element
2016-11-13T12:02:41 < decimad> but generally you only need to know the first free element and its successor to allocate
2016-11-13T12:03:56 < decimad> hrm?
2016-11-13T12:07:23 < decimad> yes
2016-11-13T12:08:06 < decimad> right
2016-11-13T12:09:23 < stvn> throw me a fucken bone
2016-11-13T12:10:11 < decimad> you get the pointer to the first free element, store it in 1 and set free to 1
2016-11-13T12:10:46 < decimad> remember you always have a pointer to the first free element inside the pool struct
2016-11-13T12:11:18 < decimad> the linked list doesn't have to be linear!
2016-11-13T12:11:52 < decimad> whenever you free, you just add the free element to the front of the list
2016-11-13T12:12:04 < decimad> no walking necessary
2016-11-13T12:12:54 < decimad> It just works. But it is single-size only in this easy implementation
2016-11-13T12:15:09 < decimad> That's why I asked you, since although I don't have a particular need for your idea currently, maybe it could come handy somewhen
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2016-11-13T12:32:23 < stvn> later m8
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2016-11-13T12:35:37 < decimad> LeelooMinai: That's a small cost to pay imho, but yeah
2016-11-13T12:44:15 < stvn> 1 3/8 thread
2016-11-13T12:44:19 < stvn> what a fucken dog
2016-11-13T12:46:25 < decimad> LeelooMinai: I don't think a copy from flash will be faster than a loop that doesn't have to read
2016-11-13T12:46:41 < decimad> unless you're using dma to do the transfer^^
2016-11-13T12:47:20 < decimad> that's all stuff that is quicker to execute than waiting for the pll to settle
2016-11-13T12:48:38 < decimad> just to mention some real comparisons, insert something you actually do :P
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2016-11-13T13:47:54 < ReadErr> waffle copters
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2016-11-13T14:00:42 < Steffanx> i'll get he waffles, you the copter ReadErr?
2016-11-13T14:00:45 < Steffanx> *the
2016-11-13T14:01:36 < ReadErr> I wish a waffle drone would fly by me right now and just bomb waffles down
2016-11-13T14:05:40 < stvn> bits
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2016-11-13T15:24:25 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG0wQRsXLi4 ahaha
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2016-11-13T16:16:40 < Laurenceb_> SERVE THE GOD EMPEROR YOUR TENDIES
2016-11-13T16:51:55 < Steffanx> Stop alcohol and drugs laurenceb_
2016-11-13T17:00:18 < Rob235> haha
2016-11-13T17:11:56 < KreAture_Bbl> LeelooMinai ?  I got my overhead on the software sdram access for the stm32f103 down to 4k progmem
2016-11-13T17:12:41 < KreAture_Bbl> It still uses 25 or 26 pins though depending on how much mem you need to address
2016-11-13T17:18:57 < KreAture_Bbl> That leaves 6 or 7 pins available LOL
2016-11-13T17:20:02 < Rob235> you are actually going to talk to someone besides dongs?
2016-11-13T17:36:14 < KreAture_Bbl> lol
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2016-11-13T17:56:12 < bertrik> KreAture_: nice
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2016-11-13T17:58:59 < KreAture_> bertrik I am currently trying to reorganize pins to see if I can get both usart1 (rx/tx) and i2c1 (sda/scl) free because then I think I can do camera interfacing by sharing the data bus between camera and sdram
2016-11-13T17:59:01 < KreAture_> :)
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2016-11-13T18:11:18 < [7]> hmm, I think this is turning into the first stm32 where I actually need something RTOS-like
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2016-11-13T19:03:01 < kakimir> how has Laurenceb_ become what he is today?
2016-11-13T19:03:50 < aandrew> magewell quad HDMI, tha'ts the HDMI capture card that rossmann uses now instead of osprey or blackmagic
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2016-11-13T19:27:35 < kakimir> fucken touchpad driver has stoped workings
2016-11-13T19:28:23 < kakimir> it wont turn touchpad automatically off while typying and touchpad off key wont do anyrhng
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2016-11-13T19:35:14 < kakimir> I did never give permission to fuck my drivers and ruin everything - propably for unknown period od time
2016-11-13T19:45:11 < Laurenceb_> Trees: They were invented by men as an obvious reminder to keep sticking your penis-roots into Mother Nature. Also, the tree itself is obviously just a big giant self-replicating penis idol. As civilisation developed men have opted in for their much larger phallus-buildings to replace the trees. 
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2016-11-13T19:47:11 < kakimir> my phallus goes hard from this
2016-11-13T19:48:50 < Laurenceb_> why does Spacex Falcon 9 look like a penis? The answer is obvious, because it is literally raping the sky by penetrating it
2016-11-13T19:52:07 < kakimir> and it's not enought - it's raping the vacuum too
2016-11-13T19:52:13 < kakimir> of space
2016-11-13T19:55:56 < Laurenceb_>  #rightsforthevacuum
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2016-11-13T20:14:56 < IvanL> Hello! I'm starting to use the emwin graphics library and I have some problems. Could someone help me here?
2016-11-13T20:16:38 < IvanL> I never get a WM_NOTIFICATION_RELEASED message from a widget
2016-11-13T20:17:02 < IvanL> Tried with a button and iconview
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2016-11-13T21:02:52 < kakimir> I have set my programs in dark theme
2016-11-13T21:02:59 < kakimir> now I just need programming jubb
2016-11-13T21:04:06 < Laurenceb_> http://eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/28735/
2016-11-13T21:06:38 < Tectu> Mr. Blaxter is doing it again
2016-11-13T21:07:05 < Tectu> wut, nottingham has a branch in china?
2016-11-13T21:07:55 < BrainDamage> maybe laurenceb should submit a paper on social sciences papers about the blaxter ratio
2016-11-13T21:09:27 < kakimir> I have hard time reading that
2016-11-13T21:09:42 < Laurenceb_> thats cuz its so incoherent
2016-11-13T21:10:16 < Laurenceb_> still more coherent than my supervisor
2016-11-13T21:10:39 < kakimir> you should write it in latin
2016-11-13T21:11:43 < Tectu> that reminds me... is learning german compulsary at school in .co.uk, Mr. Laurenceb_?
2016-11-13T21:12:08 < kakimir> why would it be
2016-11-13T21:12:27 < Tectu> "Know your enemy"
2016-11-13T21:12:38 < Tectu> nah, I dunno. it's in other countries, such as dutchland
2016-11-13T21:13:32 < Laurenceb_> we have French, German and Spanish
2016-11-13T21:13:45 < Laurenceb_> you have to take classes in at least one up to age 16
2016-11-13T21:13:45 < kakimir> germany in finnish is "Saksa"
2016-11-13T21:14:03 < BrainDamage> is romansh taught in cheeseland?
2016-11-13T21:14:11 < Tectu> nope
2016-11-13T21:14:18 < Tectu> it's pretty much dead
2016-11-13T21:14:22 < kakimir> I wonder if it has something to do with "Sakset" - scisors
2016-11-13T21:14:35 < Tectu> and latin is probably by a factor of 1000 more popular than romansh
2016-11-13T21:14:49 < Tectu> kakimir, better ask the jpa- 
2016-11-13T21:15:01 < kakimir> my russian work mates said that in russia doctors talk in latin
2016-11-13T21:15:12 < Tectu> BrainDamage, what languages do you have to learn in the land of Mr. Berlusconi?
2016-11-13T21:17:02 < Kliment> Tutti il lingue della imperia romana
2016-11-13T21:17:11 < BrainDamage> italian and english are taught in schools, howrever the requiremnt in general is italian + any commonly spoken foreign language for things like univ etc
2016-11-13T21:17:31 < Kliment> BrainDamage: How bad was that? :P
2016-11-13T21:18:20 < Tectu> kakimir, afaik you have to learn swedish, right? Is russian on the list of compulsory languages too?
2016-11-13T21:18:49 < kakimir> swedesh is must
2016-11-13T21:18:52 < kakimir> russia is not
2016-11-13T21:18:59 < kakimir> russian*
2016-11-13T21:19:48 < kakimir> during my life I have propably sat one month worth of work days in swedish classes
2016-11-13T21:19:53 < BrainDamage> Kliment: understandable but it had 3 mistakes
2016-11-13T21:20:13 < BrainDamage> actually, 4
2016-11-13T21:20:26 < Kliment> BrainDamage: If you have the patience to correct a beginner, I'd love to know what they are
2016-11-13T21:20:29 < BrainDamage> Tutte le lingue dell'impero romano
2016-11-13T21:20:53 < kakimir> why there is no swedesh in here?
2016-11-13T21:21:14 < kakimir> that's weird
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2016-11-13T21:21:42 < BrainDamage> lingue is classified as female, therefore the article becomes le, also tutti needs to be conjugated to tutte, imperia is a city name, not an empire, empire is impero, and romano as consequence of gender conjugation
2016-11-13T21:21:42 < kakimir> hello grummund_ 
2016-11-13T21:22:11 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Yeah, I got the gender wrong all over the place
2016-11-13T21:22:17 < Tectu> that's interesting, "le" is the male article in french
2016-11-13T21:22:26 < Kliment> BrainDamage: That's my most common mistake in Italian
2016-11-13T21:22:33 < Kliment> BrainDamage: And in all gendered languages actually
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2016-11-13T21:23:01 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Grammatical gender annoys me generally
2016-11-13T21:23:02 < BrainDamage> it's actually a pretty common mistake for foreigners, to my knowedge not many languages besiedes italian do that
2016-11-13T21:23:16 < BrainDamage> and we have no genderless subjects
2016-11-13T21:23:36 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7EQaNlsEFs music times
2016-11-13T21:24:00 < Tectu> BrainDamage, french is the same
2016-11-13T21:24:09 < Kliment> BrainDamage: German, Russian, Dutch, Spanish, French, all the south Slavic languages, Arabic, some remnants of it in Scandinavian languages
2016-11-13T21:24:24 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Quite a few languages have grammatical gender
2016-11-13T21:24:38 < Tectu> how come you know Arabic, Mr. Kliment ?
2016-11-13T21:24:40 < Laurenceb_> English always seems really simple when I try to learn other languages
2016-11-13T21:24:49 < Kliment> Tectu: I only know a few words
2016-11-13T21:24:54 < Laurenceb_> Kliment confirmed banned by Mr Trump
2016-11-13T21:25:24 < Laurenceb_> anyway, I can never work out if English seems simple to me because I know it or not
2016-11-13T21:25:26 < BrainDamage> english is easy about verbal times, its difficulty lies in the arbitrary spelling and pronunciation depending whom they ripped their words from
2016-11-13T21:25:27 < Kliment> Laurenceb_: I would probably be banned actually
2016-11-13T21:25:43 < kakimir> in irc nobody knows you are an arab
2016-11-13T21:26:09 < Kliment> Well, I'm not, which is what makes it possible for me to travel to some scary territories
2016-11-13T21:26:16 < BrainDamage> italian's main difficulty imo is the >9000 verbal times and the SO MANY irregular verbs
2016-11-13T21:26:20 < Laurenceb_> BrainDamage: yeah even native speakers sometimes get confused
2016-11-13T21:26:43 < Tectu> how many grammatical times does italian have?
2016-11-13T21:26:45 < Laurenceb_> but 90% of the time screwed up english can still be understood
2016-11-13T21:27:04 < Tectu> Laurenceb_, that's only because english is ambiguous in general :p
2016-11-13T21:27:04 < Kliment> BrainDamage: My main experience with Italian is with 16th century technical texts
2016-11-13T21:27:26 < Laurenceb_> Tectu: "Love Trumps Hate"
2016-11-13T21:27:28 < BrainDamage> Tectu: (5+2+1+1+3)*2 
2016-11-13T21:27:41 < Tectu> Did Mr. Kliment learn about 3D-Printing technology by reading secret scripts of Mr. Da-Vinci himself? :p
2016-11-13T21:27:51 < Tectu> BrainDamage, seriously?
2016-11-13T21:27:52 < Kliment> Tectu: I wish
2016-11-13T21:27:57 < BrainDamage> seriously
2016-11-13T21:28:02 < Tectu> how is that even possible
2016-11-13T21:28:04 < Tectu> and why
2016-11-13T21:28:10 < BrainDamage> because reasons
2016-11-13T21:28:17 < Kliment> Tectu: I have looked at some of Leonardo's manuscripts but they're rather terse
2016-11-13T21:28:21 < Tectu> I am already quite at my limit with the 11 that French got
2016-11-13T21:29:06 < Tectu> BrainDamage, but I guess in ever-day use you don't need more than like 4, right?
2016-11-13T21:29:11 < Kliment> Tectu: I'm a fan of Vadi though
2016-11-13T21:29:20 < Tectu> Kliment, fan as in?
2016-11-13T21:29:34 < BrainDamage> present,simple past, remote past, future, conjunctive present, conjunctive past, conditional,  imperative, infinitive, gerund, and participle, and for each of them there's the compound version
2016-11-13T21:29:35 < Kliment> Tectu: Really enjoy reading it
2016-11-13T21:29:52 < kakimir> Laurenceb_: will Trump become a president?
2016-11-13T21:29:56 < Kliment> Tectu: If you never heard of Vadi, he was a fencing master
2016-11-13T21:30:06 < kakimir> or civil war by all the SJWs?
2016-11-13T21:30:06 < Tectu> kakimir, can you please stop feeding the troll after 20:00 ?
2016-11-13T21:30:26 < Kliment> Tectu: And he wrote a beautiful set of instructions for killing people
2016-11-13T21:30:33 < Tectu> Kliment, that explains why I never heard of him :p
2016-11-13T21:30:40 < Tectu> Kliment, lol what
2016-11-13T21:30:46 < Kliment> Tectu: Yeah, want to see?
2016-11-13T21:30:58 < BrainDamage> Tectu: some of them are optional, like imperative or conditional, the first 5 are used all the time, also the last 3
2016-11-13T21:31:03 < Tectu> Kliment, go ahead
2016-11-13T21:31:08 < Tectu> Kliment, in english, I hope?
2016-11-13T21:31:16 < BrainDamage> conjuctive is regularry fucked up even by native italians
2016-11-13T21:31:18 < kakimir> this channel is full of linguistics
2016-11-13T21:31:34 < Kliment> Tectu: Oh, let me grab the one with the translation
2016-11-13T21:31:40 < Tectu> BrainDamage, do you speak german?
2016-11-13T21:32:24 < BrainDamage> i did learn a tiny bit like 10 years ago, when i had a german gf who taught me a bit, but i cannot hold a conversation
2016-11-13T21:32:32 < BrainDamage> only pick up bits here and there
2016-11-13T21:32:40 < Tectu> okay
2016-11-13T21:32:49 < Tectu> time for a shower - cu later folks
2016-11-13T21:32:54 < BrainDamage> i did learn french in school, but i'm a bit rusty
2016-11-13T21:32:55 < Tectu> I'll check on that when I get back, Kliment 
2016-11-13T21:33:14 < Tectu> BrainDamage, from Brig it's a 30 minutes trip to the truly french part of swissland
2016-11-13T21:33:15 < Tectu> just sayin
2016-11-13T21:34:17 < BrainDamage> i was considering learning russki, also to get to know the culture a bit
2016-11-13T21:34:56 < Kliment> Tectu: http://koti.kapsi.fi/kliment/nonpublic/vadillustrated.pdf
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2016-11-13T21:36:44 < Kliment> Tectu: That has the original scan and a translation on top
2016-11-13T21:37:06 < Kliment> Tectu: It's designed to be viewed in two pages, side by side, in large-format print
2016-11-13T21:37:21 < Kliment> Tectu: So you have the text and translation side by side always
2016-11-13T21:37:44 < KreAture_> dongs I think I have come up with a pin plan that will actually allow OV7670 camera to be interfaced to the stm32f103c8 while I interface sdram as well :) And I get to keep both usb and a serial port!
2016-11-13T21:38:08 < BrainDamage> man that really reads archaic
2016-11-13T21:38:16 < Kliment> BrainDamage: It is :)
2016-11-13T21:38:18 < Tectu> Kliment, The requested URL /~kliment/nonpublic/vadillustrated.pdf was not found on this server.
2016-11-13T21:38:36 < Kliment> Tectu: The server has broken https
2016-11-13T21:38:46 < Kliment> Tectu: Use http instead
2016-11-13T21:38:49 < kakimir> for me it downloads
2016-11-13T21:39:09 < Kliment> BrainDamage: I also have some far older text, in Friulian dialect
2016-11-13T21:39:18 < Tectu> oh, that's my https-everywhere plugin, sorry about that
2016-11-13T21:39:22 < BrainDamage> i hate dialects
2016-11-13T21:39:33 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Back in the 15th century it's all you had
2016-11-13T21:39:38 < Kliment> BrainDamage: There was no standard language
2016-11-13T21:40:06 < Kliment> Tectu: I use the same plugin, which is why I know what the issue was
2016-11-13T21:40:08 < BrainDamage> yeah, italy wasn't a thing until mid 800
2016-11-13T21:40:17 < BrainDamage> even tought they had a common-ish language
2016-11-13T21:40:24 < kakimir> Tectu: I need to install that too
2016-11-13T21:40:25 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Some people would argue Italy isn't a thing even now
2016-11-13T21:40:31 < BrainDamage> just not much motivation to learn it
2016-11-13T21:40:33 < Tectu> kakimir, better do that indeed
2016-11-13T21:40:34 < Kliment> BrainDamage: The north-south divide
2016-11-13T21:40:49 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Anyway, the Friulian text is in Volgare
2016-11-13T21:41:04 < BrainDamage> true, there's quite some difference in culture as well in that split
2016-11-13T21:41:21 < Kliment> BrainDamage: I can read it, you can probably read it
2016-11-13T21:41:31 < kakimir> and it's even by EFF
2016-11-13T21:41:50 < BrainDamage> i don' understand a word spoken by my parents in dialects tought
2016-11-13T21:42:10 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Yeah, written dialect is much more comprehensible than spoken
2016-11-13T21:42:27 < BrainDamage> no, it's about language root
2016-11-13T21:42:31 < kakimir> with https there is no visiple full url to network?
2016-11-13T21:42:32 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Want to see?
2016-11-13T21:42:38 < BrainDamage> why not
2016-11-13T21:44:06 < Kliment> BrainDamage: I'll have to PM
2016-11-13T21:44:35 < Tectu> thanks for the read, Kliment 
2016-11-13T21:48:01 < Kliment> Tectu: :)
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2016-11-13T21:53:54 < Tectu> http://images.wasted.earth:1339/#14763413779371/14779326244058
2016-11-13T21:57:45 < Laurenceb_> Kliment: nice pdf
2016-11-13T21:57:57 < Laurenceb_> someone should turn the poetry into some gangster rap
2016-11-13T21:58:21 < Laurenceb_> it would be almost as bad as the sex offender rap
2016-11-13T22:01:32 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/TalulahRiley/status/320422298618302464
2016-11-13T22:03:21 < Kliment> Laurenceb_: Go for it
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2016-11-13T22:19:38 < ohsix> poop
2016-11-13T22:20:07 < bertrik> right
2016-11-13T22:20:49 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxI_TVBUoAEC_aD.jpg:large
2016-11-13T22:44:00 < Laurenceb_> hello Mr Centipede
2016-11-13T22:44:03 < ohsix> how did you not know that
2016-11-13T22:44:40 < ohsix> the apple ii drive was its' own entire computer and one of the exceptions to random host controlled, timing tight software shenanigans
2016-11-13T22:44:41 < Laurenceb_> because he is a silly centipede
2016-11-13T22:46:52  * KreAture_ is looking at ov7670 appnote.  It's just a list of settings for shit, no proper explenation of why
2016-11-13T22:47:31 < ohsix> yes
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2016-11-13T22:49:36 < Steffanx> i wonder if there is even a camera around that has more than that KreAture_
2016-11-13T22:49:59 < KreAture_> Steffanx yeah
2016-11-13T22:50:18 < KreAture_> I've used a few at work though with very very much docs and appnotes, and still it lacked what we needed
2016-11-13T22:50:19 < KreAture_> LOL
2016-11-13T22:57:19 < Laurenceb_> http://8ch.net/krillcen/res/71.html
2016-11-13T22:58:53 < Steffanx> What you needed whas THAT non-standard KreAture_?
2016-11-13T22:59:31 < ohsix> yea eh those camera controllers are generally weird
2016-11-13T22:59:46 < ohsix> kind of like how you might have startup code for sdram
2016-11-13T23:00:21 < ohsix> the same controller is probably across a bunch of devices and you're just configuring basic readout and other stuff that is just initialization code
2016-11-13T23:01:11 < KreAture_> Steffanx we needed data on some internal settings and they didn't mention em at all
2016-11-13T23:01:28 < KreAture_> Steffanx we knew the names of all the config bits, but they neglected to mention what they ment or did
2016-11-13T23:01:49 < Steffanx> Reminds of the ov2640 i messed around with. where you have to take the initialisation from somewhere, because with the standard docs you wont get there.
2016-11-13T23:01:50 < KreAture_> with 80 pages of docs they only managed to list lots of examples
2016-11-13T23:02:03 < KreAture_> exactly
2016-11-13T23:03:13 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/797757014025895936
2016-11-13T23:03:16 < Steffanx> Reminds me i still have to try this stereo vision with them, but .. that also means i "need" some not so well documented feature. Driving a camera in master mode.
2016-11-13T23:03:53 < ohsix> KreAture_: automate logic analyzer traces with single bit initialization changes
2016-11-13T23:07:58 < Steffanx> What framerates/resolution do you want to get out of these camera's KreAture_? 
2016-11-13T23:09:17 < Steffanx> Also bitbanged, as in without dcmi, i guess?
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2016-11-13T23:15:40 < ohsix> hm
2016-11-13T23:15:48 < ohsix> now that i've suggested it, i want to do it
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2016-11-13T23:16:00 < ohsix> i wonder if the code for the dsp block is in rom
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2016-11-13T23:16:48 < ohsix> there tends to be really 'bad' documentation for devices where firmware plays a large part
2016-11-13T23:17:00 < ohsix> cuz they're not documenting the ip that does the work, but the device+firmware
2016-11-13T23:17:54 < ohsix> like invensense with their dmp, and like most software ip heavy phone parts
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2016-11-13T23:18:52 < ohsix> KreAture_: what doc were you referring to specifically?
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2016-11-13T23:19:21 < ohsix> there are 'leaked'/prelim datasheets for that part out that describe what at least some of the registers do
2016-11-13T23:19:47 < Steffanx> some = not all of them they do use in their initalization code
2016-11-13T23:20:17 < ohsix> right
2016-11-13T23:20:23 < ohsix> i wanna compare
2016-11-13T23:20:49 < ohsix> there are plenty of regs marked reserved, too http://www.voti.nl/docs/OV7670.pdf
2016-11-13T23:21:56 < ohsix> you can usually find some code or something from people that had different documentation and fill some of the gaps, too
2016-11-13T23:22:05 < ohsix> android bsps have tons of goodies
2016-11-13T23:23:44 < ohsix> hm this is a way newer version than that other link http://www.eleparts.co.kr/data/design/product_file/Board/OV7670_CMOS.pdf
2016-11-13T23:23:54 < ohsix> • In Table 5 on page 22, changed address of register GAM5 from 7E to 7F
2016-11-13T23:23:59 < ohsix> lots of errata like this, haha
2016-11-13T23:24:24 < ohsix> maybe they don't even know what's in the init code and they just used what works, didn't keep it in sync with dev errata
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2016-11-13T23:34:00 < ohsix> heh looking at the two in a pdf diff, there's more that has been changed than in the changelog
2016-11-13T23:34:06 < ohsix> KreAture_: gimme url to that appnote, i gotta run
2016-11-13T23:37:06 < Steffanx> KreAture_ went zzz without a nick change.
2016-11-13T23:43:20 < dongs> meanwhile in japan https://twitter.com/ikttknn/status/797448817050198017
2016-11-13T23:43:23 < decimad> how does it work to "combine" the b and r channels and separate them later?
2016-11-13T23:45:59 < decimad> oh
2016-11-13T23:46:23 < decimad> they have half the resolution compared to green sensors?
2016-11-13T23:46:32 < decimad> like the alternate on the grid?
2016-11-13T23:47:39 < Thorn> what is OVP and OCP in a lab PSU? and why are they needed if both V and I are already regulated
2016-11-13T23:47:57 < Thorn> (nobody seems to know what they do in those Korad 3005 PSUs)
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2016-11-13T23:58:24 < KreAture_> Steffanx sorry was playing bf1
2016-11-13T23:58:25 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-11-13T23:58:30 < KreAture_> round change
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2016-11-13T23:59:05 < KreAture_BF1> ohsix I can't share that appnote as it is under nda, but I can say it was the least helpfull 80 page appnote ever
2016-11-13T23:59:07 < Thorn> if the PSU is set to 12V, 1A and shorted, it will limit the current to 1A by lowering voltage, at least in my experience
2016-11-13T23:59:25 < KreAture_BF1> Steffanx as for fps I am not sure how fast i can get this to run but we will see
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2016-11-14T00:01:54 < Thorn> obviously
2016-11-14T00:02:28 < Thorn> one of them will be at its set value (ideally), the other below its set value
2016-11-14T00:02:39 < Thorn> unless load impedance is just right
2016-11-14T00:04:34 < Thorn> this behaviour is default, without OVP or OCP
2016-11-14T00:05:25 < Thorn> the varying value can't exceed its set value, the PSU will switch modes to avoid that (CC vs. CV)
2016-11-14T00:05:37 < Thorn> without OVP or OCP being on
2016-11-14T00:05:56 < Thorn> so, what do OVP or OCP actually do
2016-11-14T00:19:26 < Thorn> I enabled OVP and now it turns off as soon as I turn it on (with load connected which has a buck converter)
2016-11-14T00:20:55 < Thorn> curiously, it doesn't
2016-11-14T00:21:10 < Thorn> I'd rather expect inrush current than overvoltage
2016-11-14T00:21:17 < Thorn> time to scope
2016-11-14T00:24:19 < Thorn> dunno, the scope says Vpp=9.36V (set V is 9V) but that's the waveform being noisy. there's very little visible overshoot
2016-11-14T00:25:10 < Thorn> no
2016-11-14T00:25:29 < Thorn> no it doesn't
2016-11-14T00:25:35 < Thorn> the length of the transient is over 60ms
2016-11-14T00:25:45 < Thorn> now trying with OVP on
2016-11-14T00:26:43 < KreAture_BF1> dongs !
2016-11-14T00:27:05 < KreAture_BF1> lol
2016-11-14T00:27:08 < KreAture_BF1> hey LeelooMinai 
2016-11-14T00:27:14 < KreAture_BF1> I think I have come up with a pin plan that will actually allow OV7670 camera to be interfaced to the stm32f103c8 while I interface sdram as well :) And I get to keep both usb and a serial port!
2016-11-14T00:27:27 < KreAture_BF1> It will mean a bit of sneaky multiplexing though
2016-11-14T00:31:54 < Steffanx> He likes cheap
2016-11-14T00:32:21 < Steffanx> Same reason why he still plays bf1 :P
2016-11-14T00:32:33 < Thorn> ok I confused OVP with OCP, it turns off with OCP on which makes much more sense
2016-11-14T00:32:39 < Thorn> OCP on and off http://imgur.com/a/azl0S
2016-11-14T00:37:44 < Thorn> RIGOL PLEASE STOP
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2016-11-14T00:39:39 < KreAture_BF1> LeelooMinai this is more of a "is it possible" thing that just doing it
2016-11-14T00:40:04 < KreAture_BF1> LeelooMinai and getting better at using the dma is something most stm coders probably should do
2016-11-14T00:41:27 < KreAture_BF1> Steffanx BF1 is the latest
2016-11-14T00:41:35 < KreAture_BF1> It's a starwars like thing
2016-11-14T00:42:31 < Steffanx> It was a bad joke kreature ;)
2016-11-14T00:43:27 < [7]> hmm, now my ST-link is failing to halt the core, WTF
2016-11-14T00:43:50 < [7]> "Error: timed out while waiting for target halted, TARGET:stm32f0x.cpu - Not halted"
2016-11-14T00:43:59 < [7]> worked just fine yesterday
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2016-11-14T00:44:05 < KreAture_BF1> Battlefield 1942, road to rome, vietnam, BF2, spec ops, euro force, armoured fury, bf2 modern warfare, bf2142, northern strike, bad company, heroes, bf 1943, bad company 2, bf online, bf3, bf4, hardline, BF1
2016-11-14T00:44:14 < KreAture_BF1> Steffanx but it really is a hopeless sequence
2016-11-14T00:44:31 < [7]> LeelooMinai: already did that with the micro and the st-link
2016-11-14T00:44:47 < KreAture_BF1> 7 make sure no backpowering occured as then it didn't properly cycle
2016-11-14T00:45:03 < KreAture_BF1> debugger backpowers it on the debug if
2016-11-14T00:45:19 < [7]> KreAture_BF1: debugger powers the application, so nope :P
2016-11-14T00:45:27 < KreAture_BF1> hehe ok then
2016-11-14T00:45:35 < [7]> re-flashed the ST-link, took the MCU firmware out of the equation by pulling BOOT0 high
2016-11-14T00:46:14 < [7]> openocd reports the number of breakpoint units etc. correctly, it just can't seem to halt the core
2016-11-14T00:46:25 < [7]> so I don't think it's a loose wire either
2016-11-14T00:47:00 < Thorn> [7]: try official st-link software
2016-11-14T00:47:20 < Kliment> [7]: Are you using any low power modes
2016-11-14T00:47:30 < Kliment> [7]: That was the reason last time I saw that issue
2016-11-14T00:48:10 < [7]> Kliment: doubt that it's doing that with boot0 high
2016-11-14T00:48:16 < Kliment> [7]: True
2016-11-14T00:48:25 < [7]> and while the firmware does use low power modes, it won't go beyond sleep mode before I connect
2016-11-14T00:48:26 < Kliment> [7]: Noise on the reset line?
2016-11-14T00:48:46 < [7]> not getting spurious resets in bootloader mode, so I don't think
2016-11-14T00:49:01 < Kliment> I'm out of ideas
2016-11-14T00:49:37 < Kliment> Maybe your debug probe is in a weird state
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2016-11-14T00:49:56 < Kliment> power cycle that maybe?
2016-11-14T00:50:43 < [7]> LeelooMinai: I've tried to get these bits set recently, which didn't seem to work
2016-11-14T00:50:59 < [7]> but I've been working on the very same code for days and never had issues with connecting
2016-11-14T00:51:19 < [7]> I've configured openocd to connect under reset
2016-11-14T00:52:27 < [7]> actually if I remove that, it seems to work
2016-11-14T00:52:37 < [7]> so something wrong with the reset line again...
2016-11-14T00:53:00 < [7]> but this thing is supposed to have the fixed firmware on it
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2016-11-14T01:27:17 < Laurenceb_> http://grrrgraphics.com/uploads/7/4/7/3/74734153/crying-game-ben-garrison_orig.jpg
2016-11-14T01:41:14 < Thorn> that logo is Hillaryous
2016-11-14T01:41:27 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az76PWGBp4s&t=1m45s lmao spotted crt
2016-11-14T01:43:19 < decimad> I guess he must return 50% of the money for all the insults
2016-11-14T01:47:22 < Laurenceb_> looks like uk not aus
2016-11-14T01:47:30 < Laurenceb_> or maybe aus just got really cold
2016-11-14T01:49:35 < dongs> ah i donno. i thought fucking wanker was aus
2016-11-14T01:50:35 < Laurenceb_> friend of mine from School was going to move to Aus
2016-11-14T01:50:46 < Laurenceb_> but then he joined ISIS instead
2016-11-14T01:51:04 < Laurenceb_> easy mistake to make
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2016-11-14T02:15:30 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai I did it, got the code running with new pinuout now.  With spare i2c and usart as well as the usb port
2016-11-14T02:16:25 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai the code is actually quite compact
2016-11-14T02:17:13 < dongs> too compact for leelooman, if you catch my drift
2016-11-14T02:17:26 < dongs> wink wink
2016-11-14T02:20:20 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-14T02:20:31 < KreAture_> dongs its 4k 
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2016-11-14T02:24:25 < Laurenceb_> spare i2c
2016-11-14T02:24:28 < Laurenceb_> have fun with that
2016-11-14T02:24:38 < dongs> source code shriveled like a transwomans dick.
2016-11-14T02:25:40 < Laurenceb_> https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/16/11/13/2350240/more-code-in-movies-nmap-meets-snowden
2016-11-14T02:25:52 < Laurenceb_> dongs would love my home town
2016-11-14T02:26:02 < Laurenceb_> we have an annual ladyboy convention
2016-11-14T02:26:28 < zyp> you're that famous?
2016-11-14T02:26:30 < dongs> im porting this IR remote control for dickstarter faggots from due to stm32, original shit.ino was like 90k after reindenting, my stm32/C version is 57k with same (and less buggy) functionality
2016-11-14T02:27:03 < dongs> they went fucking nuts with ctrlc+ctrlv
2016-11-14T02:27:03 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/WeepyTatteredArmedcrab
2016-11-14T02:27:44 < dongs> upgrdman: fireworks factory?
2016-11-14T02:27:49 < upgrdman> ya
2016-11-14T02:27:58 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/RK0xL5h.gifv
2016-11-14T02:28:20 < dongs> an actual funny link from upgrdman 
2016-11-14T02:28:23 < Laurenceb_> https://nmap.org/movies/
2016-11-14T02:28:43 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai he's in china waddya expect
2016-11-14T02:28:48 < KreAture_> atleast not japan
2016-11-14T02:28:49 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-14T02:29:19 < KreAture_> shit
2016-11-14T02:29:20 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-14T02:29:26 < KreAture_> that explains even more
2016-11-14T02:29:39 < dongs> is transwoman chatting
2016-11-14T02:29:39 < Lux> dongs: how about using irmp/irsnd ?
2016-11-14T02:29:44 < Lux> german stuff
2016-11-14T02:29:45 < dongs> Lux: wtf is taht
2016-11-14T02:29:52 < Lux> https://www.mikrocontroller.net/articles/IRSND_-_english
2016-11-14T02:29:58 < KreAture_> dongs you seen Manzai ?
2016-11-14T02:30:00 < dongs> i mean, IR part was done ages ago
2016-11-14T02:30:06 < Lux> https://www.mikrocontroller.net/articles/IRMP
2016-11-14T02:30:08 < Lux> ah ok
2016-11-14T02:30:15 < Lux> just came to mind
2016-11-14T02:30:34 < dongs> just looks like overkill
2016-11-14T02:31:07 < KreAture_> dongs it'
2016-11-14T02:31:09 < KreAture_> err
2016-11-14T02:31:17 < KreAture_> dongs it's german ofcource it's overkill
2016-11-14T02:31:21 < dongs> rite
2016-11-14T02:31:36 < dongs> the ~30k reduction was mostly dumping retarded copypasted code and cleaning shit up
2016-11-14T02:31:39 < dongs> mostly GUI/menu stuff
2016-11-14T02:31:45 < KreAture_> if it had been swiss it would have been exquisite and straight to the point precise
2016-11-14T02:32:07 < KreAture_> and not open souce
2016-11-14T02:32:10 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-11-14T02:32:16 < KreAture_> anyways
2016-11-14T02:32:29 < KreAture_> Will tun the code with the testsetup where I have sram on tomorrow
2016-11-14T02:32:42 < KreAture_> see if I can interleave access to sdram with the data from camera
2016-11-14T02:32:46 < KreAture_> that'll be interesting
2016-11-14T02:33:19 < KreAture_> The fun part is the cam so nicely gives me a looong period between each line of data so I should have time to transfer to ram
2016-11-14T02:33:37 < KreAture_> if I can get the cam to go high z fast enough that is
2016-11-14T02:34:37 < KreAture_> Luckally there's a pin for that
2016-11-14T02:34:39 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/h1OdCaE.jpg
2016-11-14T02:34:42 < KreAture_> if I have anywhere to put it hehe
2016-11-14T02:34:54 < dongs> home depot?
2016-11-14T02:35:03 < KreAture_> upgrdman that looks legal
2016-11-14T02:35:42 < upgrdman> http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/12/man-rushed-to-doctor-with-chopstick-stuck-in-his-penis-6253541/
2016-11-14T02:35:55 < KreAture_> http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Humor/Workshop/Lumber-Car-A.jpg
2016-11-14T02:36:29 < KreAture_> http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Humor/Workshop/Lumber-Car-B.jpg
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2016-11-14T02:37:10 < Laurenceb_> heh been there done that
2016-11-14T02:37:11 < KreAture_> http://randomoverload.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/ed4af383aisle-fail.jpg
2016-11-14T02:37:23 < Laurenceb_> never overleaded anytihng that much tho :P
2016-11-14T02:37:58 < KreAture_> This is why Home Depot is also known as adult daycare: http://1.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/36/14/c349ce1c0f2df51c7d4128cbdb57a4f2.jpg
2016-11-14T02:38:09 < stvn> deckers
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2016-11-14T02:40:59 < aandrew> hahaha
2016-11-14T02:41:01 < aandrew> I like that
2016-11-14T02:41:04 < upgrdman> NICE   https://youtu.be/9FYHV3f_6IA?t=42
2016-11-14T02:41:52 < aandrew> wow
2016-11-14T02:43:03 < aandrew> doesn't want to lose his page
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2016-11-14T02:43:58 < stvn> an autistic arrangement
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2016-11-14T03:16:39 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/php/need-you-develop-some-software-12069834/
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2016-11-14T03:18:42 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/would-like-hire-Electrical-Engineer-12066719/ found Laurenceb_ 
2016-11-14T03:19:40 < Laurenceb_> fire accident
2016-11-14T03:26:01 < upgrdman> lol. he wants to hire a fire accident huh?
2016-11-14T03:26:15 < dongs> m aybe he had a fire accident and needs to hire someone to blame it on
2016-11-14T03:28:16 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/Electrical-Engineering/Micro-Controller-convertion/ haha
2016-11-14T03:29:19 < zyp> load up in IDA, run decompiler, profit
2016-11-14T03:29:32 < KreAture_Zzz> dongs that last one seems like someone wants to clone somehting
2016-11-14T03:29:39 < dongs> no way?!
2016-11-14T03:29:57 < zyp> KreAture_Zzz, or somebody fucked up and deleted their source
2016-11-14T03:29:59 < zyp> idk
2016-11-14T03:30:03 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2016-11-14T03:30:19 < KreAture_Zzz> zyp then it is easier to use their own knowhow to rewrite it
2016-11-14T03:30:24 < KreAture_Zzz> usually second round is better anyways
2016-11-14T03:30:57 < KreAture_Zzz> we have had times when we've simply told ppl to go write it again. Don't look at original it sucks.
2016-11-14T03:30:59 < KreAture_Zzz> lol
2016-11-14T03:32:27 < zyp> haha, true
2016-11-14T03:34:52 < KreAture_Zzz> zyp http://pastebin.com/NZwfu2W4
2016-11-14T03:35:12 < KreAture_Zzz> sdram refreshing
2016-11-14T03:35:22 < KreAture_Zzz> using my software dma accellerated bitbang
2016-11-14T03:35:34 < dongs> h4rdc0r3
2016-11-14T03:35:52 < dongs> when kickstarter
2016-11-14T03:38:40 < KreAture_Zzz> hehe
2016-11-14T03:38:41 < KreAture_Zzz> http://pastebin.com/Kb49gtDd
2016-11-14T03:38:48 < KreAture_Zzz> That's the dma transfer code now
2016-11-14T03:38:56 < KreAture_Zzz> with that in seperate function it all becomes so neat
2016-11-14T03:38:57 < KreAture_Zzz> :)
2016-11-14T03:43:17 < KreAture_Zzz> dongs this coding is also training for my dma bitbang stuff for timed multichannel pulse generation
2016-11-14T03:45:36 < dongs> cool
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2016-11-14T05:06:24 < blinky> does anyone here know what a blinking LD1 (blinking red) on an stm32f4discovery means? i can't find it in the datasheet
2016-11-14T05:07:23 < dongs> wat
2016-11-14T05:07:31 < dongs> where is it?
2016-11-14T05:07:34 < dongs> on the stlink part?
2016-11-14T05:09:20 < blinky> hah, but it doesn't say lit!
2016-11-14T05:09:39 < blinky> if it's constantly red then it's ok, just what you pasted
2016-11-14T05:10:26 < blinky> yes, agreed
2016-11-14T05:10:34 < blinky> dongs, i think it has something to do with stlink, but in my case i'm not powering it via usb
2016-11-14T05:10:43 < blinky> i'm trying to power it via a j-link adapter
2016-11-14T05:10:49 < dongs> powering "what"?
2016-11-14T05:10:57 < dongs> are you trying to reflash the stlink portion?
2016-11-14T05:11:00 < blinky> i followed the instructions here: https://www.segger.com/admin/uploads/evalBoardDocs/AN00014_ConnectingJLinkToSTM32F407Discovery.pdf
2016-11-14T05:11:09 < dongs> unless you have a $600+ jlink yoou won't be powering target wiht it
2016-11-14T05:11:16 < blinky> power a discovery board, stm32f4
2016-11-14T05:11:21 < dongs> from what?
2016-11-14T05:11:24 < dongs> jlink doesn't provide power
2016-11-14T05:11:31 < blinky> really? i thought the EDU version can power it
2016-11-14T05:11:34 < dongs> unless its one of the higher end ones like ultra or etc
2016-11-14T05:11:34 < dongs> nope
2016-11-14T05:11:37 < dongs> definitely not edu
2016-11-14T05:11:47 < blinky> when i use openocd to turn power on, the board comes to life
2016-11-14T05:11:47 < dongs> it has a vref pin to get TARGET voltage
2016-11-14T05:11:56 < blinky> just that LD1 starts blinking instead of being solid
2016-11-14T05:12:20 < blinky> and the j-link LED turns orange, and looks like it's cycling super fast, which i believe means the reset pin is being toggled, but i'm not sure
2016-11-14T05:12:43 < blinky> http://forum.segger.com/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=1617
2016-11-14T05:12:51 < blinky> so EDU is no good for power then?
2016-11-14T05:12:55 < dongs> j-link edu does not supply power to target
2016-11-14T05:13:03 < dongs> where do you think its coming from?
2016-11-14T05:13:06 < dongs> pins 19/20 on 20pin connector?
2016-11-14T05:13:18 < blinky> pin 19, according to segger
2016-11-14T05:13:23 < blinky> on page....
2016-11-14T05:13:28 < dongs> right, thats not on .EDU
2016-11-14T05:13:36 < dongs> only plus/ultra/higher end shit can provide power (and measure it)
2016-11-14T05:13:42 < blinky> 9 on that PDF
2016-11-14T05:13:54 < blinky> damn
2016-11-14T05:14:12 < blinky> you would think they'd document that
2016-11-14T05:14:22 < blinky> so is it not providing enough power then?
2016-11-14T05:14:28 < blinky> the board def comes to life
2016-11-14T05:14:36 < dongs> it should not be providing any
2016-11-14T05:14:42 < blinky> and i can see my program first run when it powers on for a fraction of a second
2016-11-14T05:14:48 < blinky> then the blinking begins
2016-11-14T05:15:01 < blinky> that's surprising, the board is def getting some power
2016-11-14T05:15:26 < blinky> i was worried it was too much because on p. 11 it says 300 mA is provided
2016-11-14T05:15:34 < dongs> ah hm. never mind, looks like newer edu thats == JLINK BASE does have up to 300mA supply
2016-11-14T05:15:37 < dongs> with overcurrent protection
2016-11-14T05:15:45 < dongs> are you drawing more than 300mA? :)
2016-11-14T05:15:58 < dongs> mine definitely doesnt power target
2016-11-14T05:16:11 < blinky> In this case, the 5V and 3V pins deliver a 5V or 3V power supply and power  consumption must be lower than 100 mA.
2016-11-14T05:16:17 < blinky> from ST
2016-11-14T05:16:36 < blinky> i don't think i am, but i don't have a meter to check :(
2016-11-14T05:16:48 < dongs> in this case pin 19 has 5V on it
2016-11-14T05:16:58 < dongs> that should be connected to your vcc or wahtever on discovery
2016-11-14T05:17:16 < dongs> and pin1 or pin2 is vtarget, thats teh voltage mcu runs at, jlink measures that, not provides it.
2016-11-14T05:18:22 < blinky> i can't run the segger software on this machine since it isn't windows, but that looks useful LeelooMinai
2016-11-14T05:19:44 < ReadErr> Wtf jlink does that
2016-11-14T05:19:52 < ReadErr> Not seen
2016-11-14T05:19:58 < dongs> does what?
2016-11-14T05:20:03 < ReadErr> I have the edu tho
2016-11-14T05:20:10 < ReadErr> Power things
2016-11-14T05:20:12 < dongs> power target?
2016-11-14T05:20:18 < dongs> maybe they added from V9 or something
2016-11-14T05:20:24 < dongs> I know for sure my old V8 EDU doesnt power shit
2016-11-14T05:20:24 < ReadErr> With current
2016-11-14T05:21:51 < dongs> anyway, its kinda useless cuz it only provided 5V
2016-11-14T05:22:01 < ReadErr> Oh lame
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2016-11-14T05:27:04 < ReadErr> The jlink lite tool doesn't work on scaled res
2016-11-14T05:28:49 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: in C++, wtf is & for in a function declaration?
2016-11-14T05:28:57 < ReadErr> On 4k?
2016-11-14T05:29:04 < aandrew> void foo(int x, int y, foo &z)
2016-11-14T05:29:07 < dongs> aandrew: ?
2016-11-14T05:29:08 < dongs> oh
2016-11-14T05:29:08 < ReadErr> Jflash lite
2016-11-14T05:29:11 < dongs> a pointer that cant be null
2016-11-14T05:29:12 < dongs> or whatever
2016-11-14T05:29:19 < dongs> same as foo *z
2016-11-14T05:29:23 < aandrew> dongs: oh ok
2016-11-14T05:29:33 < aandrew> so the language enforces the non-null check at runtime?
2016-11-14T05:29:36 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: uh windows
2016-11-14T05:30:19 < zyp> uh, no
2016-11-14T05:30:30 < aandrew> hm ok
2016-11-14T05:30:33 < zyp> there's no runtime non-null check of a reference
2016-11-14T05:30:34 < dongs> i donno, its something like that, let C++ experts figure it out, its called reference
2016-11-14T05:30:36 < aandrew> so assume it's * and move along :-)
2016-11-14T05:30:39 < aandrew> thanks
2016-11-14T05:30:56 < dongs> cant think of a single reason to ever use it (much like C++, LOL)
2016-11-14T05:30:57 < aandrew> I had two weeks to go through this code, they're expectin to see something tomorrow so I ought to get started :-)
2016-11-14T05:33:57 < dongs> zyp, whats the difference from a pointer tl;dr version
2016-11-14T05:34:13 < dongs> cuz i thought the onyl thing was if you have a foo &dicks you must assign it always
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2016-11-14T05:44:02 < zyp> dongs, it requires to be initialized, it can't be changed and it's always implicitly dereferenced, i.e. it acts as the plain variable it's referencing
2016-11-14T05:48:15 < zyp> LeelooMinai, it's not impossible, you can make a reference to a dereferenced pointer
2016-11-14T05:48:30 < zyp> LeelooMinai, and if that pointer happens to be a nullptr, you just got a reference to nullptr
2016-11-14T05:52:57 < dongs> heh ok . yeah, sounds like useless C++ism
2016-11-14T05:53:30 < zyp> idk, dealing with references is a lot cleaner than dealing with pointers
2016-11-14T05:54:35 < zyp> LeelooMinai, sounds pretty similar to your way of thinking actually
2016-11-14T05:57:33 < ohsix> so much puppy
2016-11-14T05:58:02 < zyp> LeelooMinai, http://paste.jvnv.net/view/ezT1x
2016-11-14T05:58:08 < ohsix> i come in with hoodie on and she's barking like someone broke in, running around, being defensive. say something and she jumps on you with the kisses
2016-11-14T05:58:28 < zyp> LeelooMinai, imagine what happens if get_something() returns a nullptr
2016-11-14T05:58:47 < dongs> i have code that does that
2016-11-14T05:58:51 < ohsix> >imagination
2016-11-14T05:58:54 < dongs> and function that calls getSomething() will check for null
2016-11-14T05:58:56 < dongs> and just return
2016-11-14T05:58:59 < dongs> its prety cool actually!!111
2016-11-14T05:59:06 < zyp> dongs, awesome!!
2016-11-14T05:59:14 < dongs> bonus: i dont have to compile wiht gcc.exe
2016-11-14T06:00:27 < zyp> that's correct, behavior is undefined
2016-11-14T06:02:49 < zyp> remember that technically both a pointer and a reference is just a memory address
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2016-11-14T06:04:59 < zyp> in the given example, function ABI would specify that it's an addr that's passed in register or on stack
2016-11-14T06:09:34 < zyp> point still stands that there's not anything preventing you from making a reference to nullptr if you're not careful, I didn't claim it would have defined behavior
2016-11-14T06:10:16 < zyp> idk about expert, I've used variadic templates
2016-11-14T06:12:46 < zyp> it's not inherently compile time, but usually you'd write the code so it folds
2016-11-14T06:13:07 < zyp> constexpr or whatever
2016-11-14T06:13:56 < ohsix> twitter is weird as shit, haha, i mentioned bitcoin and now there are a bunch of bots doing stuff, mentioned the bible weeks ago, got automatically added to literal lists
2016-11-14T06:14:32 < zyp> I don't know, I very much prefer them to macros
2016-11-14T06:14:42 < dongs> macros are terrible
2016-11-14T06:14:44 < dongs> in any language
2016-11-14T06:15:02 < zyp> dongs, and still you prefer C over C++ :)
2016-11-14T06:15:16 < ohsix> i don't hate macros
2016-11-14T06:15:28 < ohsix> i am lonely
2016-11-14T06:18:08 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxEzSCHUsAAraPG.jpg:large the old nyt stories going around twitter about hitler are pretty funny
2016-11-14T06:18:41 < ohsix> you kind of burned calling him literally hitler too early, now you have to have boring ass, almost academic citations!
2016-11-14T06:19:22 < dongs> psh
2016-11-14T06:21:34 < ohsix> h3h obama is helping trump learn what it means to be president, they didn't seem to know they'd have to staff up and shit, didn't plan for it
2016-11-14T06:23:16 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/AbleOrganicAnchovy fucking lol japs
2016-11-14T06:23:46 < zyp> haha
2016-11-14T06:29:09 < ohsix> hey defcon 24 had a presentation about wcc
2016-11-14T06:29:57 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cgtr7VW7gY
2016-11-14T06:30:59 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wypIgRi3cw heh and one about ida & emulation / unicorn
2016-11-14T06:31:02 < ohsix> damn
2016-11-14T06:31:14 < ohsix> they'd posted a ton of videos lately, but for some reason all the good ones were today
2016-11-14T06:31:17 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/PerkyOddballBergerpicard mean while in japan
2016-11-14T06:31:50 < zyp> hardcore pizzaing
2016-11-14T06:32:23 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTrQHZtNyBw one about usb abuse
2016-11-14T06:37:28 < dongs> apparently im supposed to be in tokyo tomrorow
2016-11-14T06:40:42 < zyp> fun
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2016-11-14T06:55:18 < ohsix> better get on your ornithopter
2016-11-14T06:55:54 < ohsix> ReadErr: joe and zoz had a presentation at defcon 24 'bsodomizer'
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2016-11-14T07:04:47 < kakimir> screen -rd
2016-11-14T07:04:59 < kakimir> yo
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2016-11-14T07:09:49 < ohsix> screen -dr bro
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2016-11-14T07:19:20 < stvn> greetings englishman 
2016-11-14T07:23:20 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/ArabellaGolby/status/797570148915937280 meanwhile in japan
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2016-11-14T07:49:48 < ohsix> . i forgot you get obese in metal slug 2 when you eat a certain number of food pickups
2016-11-14T07:58:18 < aandrew> what's he in to?
2016-11-14T07:59:31 < aandrew> that's not terribly helpful
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2016-11-14T07:59:37 < aandrew> but I understand your pain :-)
2016-11-14T08:03:09 < aandrew> how old is he
2016-11-14T08:03:44 < aandrew> urf. it's a shame mindstorms are so expensive
2016-11-14T08:04:00 < aandrew> I got a set for my son when he was that age... I don't think he even opened the box after the first night
2016-11-14T08:04:07 < aandrew> I kept hoping he'd pick it up out of boredom some day
2016-11-14T08:04:53 < aandrew> what about one of those cheap quadrotors
2016-11-14T08:05:15 < aandrew> my 7yo is all about them 
2016-11-14T08:05:23 < aandrew> I had a few that I was paid ot take apart and reverse engineer
2016-11-14T08:05:32 < aandrew> so they are "naked" -- he loves them
2016-11-14T08:05:57 < aandrew> in fact I had to buy 5x batteries and a charger (a kit) on aliexpress so he could play with them more 
2016-11-14T08:06:07 < aandrew> they're shitty, no real stabilization but he's gotten pretty godo at it
2016-11-14T08:06:14 < aandrew> same with the various *sim games on the ipad
2016-11-14T08:06:22 < aandrew> he is really good at flying an airplane
2016-11-14T08:06:33 < aandrew> not that I'm aware of. the ones I have *are* garbage
2016-11-14T08:06:53 < aandrew> I know wowwee is coming out with something but it's not ready yet
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2016-11-14T08:12:11 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: I have the cheapest eachine, was like 10$ on banggood. Performs nicely indoor in a small flat. Relatively fun to control, very easy to fly.
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2016-11-14T08:13:10 < upgrdman> labor in china is cheap
2016-11-14T08:13:25 < upgrdman> and the parts are simple and cheap
2016-11-14T08:13:46 < upgrdman> i'd be surprised if manuf. cost for those $10 quads is more than $5
2016-11-14T08:14:22 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: got both headless and normal mode, so one can learn orientation.
2016-11-14T08:14:57 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: there's a 15$ version with a camera :) But it just records to a uSD.
2016-11-14T08:15:13 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: and real hardware controller (they call them transmitters) is better than any tablet.
2016-11-14T08:15:55 < aandrew> it would be
2016-11-14T08:16:02 < aandrew> the ones I have have no camera at all
2016-11-14T08:16:07 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: well, depends. It doesn't help to properly train an RC pilot.
2016-11-14T08:16:11 < aandrew> but video tx adds a fair bit to the cost I expect
2016-11-14T08:17:43 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: the most interesting are imho RC helis. But they are a hell to learn and to repair. It'll be in permanent "waiting for parts" and "repairing after the crash" state. But that's the most challenging. 
2016-11-14T08:18:24 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: http://www.banggood.com/Eachine-E40G-5_8G-FPV-With-720P-Wide-Angle-HD-Camera-2_4G-4CH-6Axis-RC-Quadcopter-RTF-p-1051223.html?rmmds=buy ?
2016-11-14T08:19:10 < aandrew> and it's not porn
2016-11-14T08:19:11 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: btw, "christmas present" is a lame concept anyway.
2016-11-14T08:20:09 < aandrew> Flight time: around 8 minutes
2016-11-14T08:20:10 < aandrew> Charging time: about 65 minutes
2016-11-14T08:20:20 < aandrew> you'd want like 10 batteries
2016-11-14T08:20:53 < aandrew> huh that worked alright
2016-11-14T08:21:03 < aandrew> was getting antsy and couldn't concentrate, went and lifted some weights
2016-11-14T08:21:07 < aandrew> feeling a bit better
2016-11-14T08:22:07 < aandrew> lol
2016-11-14T08:22:23 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: yes, I'd tell them about consumerism society, religion, popes etc.
2016-11-14T08:22:43 < aandrew> my neighbour has a nice maserati, looks a bit like that: https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PXKUnAJB_5k/VuKh-Awnv8I/AAAAAAAAKIM/4szMlqqUg-UvZn0o30YwnAO013fkrjfdg/s1600/MASERATI-ALFIERI-CONCEPT-0.jpg
2016-11-14T08:22:51 < aandrew> that'd be fun
2016-11-14T08:23:21 < PaulFertser> aandrew: 5 batteries should be all right, it still requires a decent amount of concentration, so one gets tired flying.
2016-11-14T08:24:57 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: and I'd rather spend time with them soldering something and talking.
2016-11-14T08:26:53 < aandrew> actually
2016-11-14T08:27:04 < aandrew> what keeps my 4yo absolutely enthralled is taking apart printers
2016-11-14T08:27:11 < aandrew> the 7yo likes it but he's more of a construcotr
2016-11-14T08:27:16 < aandrew> the 4yo is the destructor
2016-11-14T08:27:49 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: well, I have a ~10yo nephew, it's not like he is that absorbed in "clash of clans", he's able to talk about different things.
2016-11-14T08:28:02 < jpa-> aandrew: aren't there too many sharp parts for a 4yo?
2016-11-14T08:28:36 < aandrew> jpa-: pfft
2016-11-14T08:28:41 < aandrew> they learn 
2016-11-14T08:28:53 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: so probably you can get some DIY set that requires soldering on BG + http://www.banggood.com/Eachine-H8-Mini-Headless-Mode-2_4G-4CH-6-Axis-RC-Quadcopter-RTF-p-975808.html?rmmds=buy so that he can get into flying.
2016-11-14T08:29:14 < aandrew> when my 7yo was 3 he was playing with side cutters and screwdrivers. wife was not happy but he loved it
2016-11-14T08:29:32 < aandrew> I had some industrial space leased and took him with me
2016-11-14T08:29:42 < aandrew> got him a pair of coveralls 
2016-11-14T08:29:44 < aandrew> he loved it there
2016-11-14T08:29:48 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: not everyone likes quad, so it's better to try with something cheap, no?
2016-11-14T08:29:57 < aandrew> I have a picture of him wearing my welding googles and with a traffic cone on his head
2016-11-14T08:30:00 < aandrew> he was a robot
2016-11-14T08:30:06 < jpa-> aandrew: :)
2016-11-14T08:30:10 < PaulFertser> lol
2016-11-14T08:30:36 < aandrew> that $17 looks very close to the ones I had taken apart
2016-11-14T08:30:44 < aandrew> maybe a little smaller
2016-11-14T08:32:59 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: given that "xmas" sucks... I'd value some quality DIY time spent with a smart person way more than any toy present, I think.
2016-11-14T08:33:43 < aandrew> PaulFertser: that's hard to give as a gift
2016-11-14T08:33:46 < aandrew> but I hear you
2016-11-14T08:33:54 < aandrew> it kills me to shoo my kids away when they want to learn
2016-11-14T08:34:36 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: we russians do not have middle names usually, but we often use specially mangled father's name as an additional attribute.
2016-11-14T08:35:42 < ReadErr> well this is cute
2016-11-14T08:35:54 < ReadErr> having to use group policy editor to disable automatic updates
2016-11-14T08:37:03 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: nope, it's my real name all right, Pavel = Paul in common bible translations, and my surname is jewish.
2016-11-14T08:38:07 < aandrew> heh the last couple contracts I've had I've worked iwth Pawels
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2016-11-14T08:40:39 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: devo 7e radio
2016-11-14T08:40:49 < ReadErr> and it will fly any micro quad
2016-11-14T08:40:55 < ReadErr> or anything really
2016-11-14T08:41:41 < ReadErr> you can flash them too
2016-11-14T08:41:49 < PaulFertser> http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jethrotull/mygod.html heh
2016-11-14T08:42:11 < ReadErr> for the microquad thing
2016-11-14T08:42:33 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: and what's important is that devo can be connected to a computer so he can learn flying helis and planes in simulators.
2016-11-14T08:42:46 < ReadErr> devo is very haxable
2016-11-14T08:42:55 < PaulFertser> ReadErr: but some models require additional tx boards.
2016-11-14T08:42:55 < ReadErr> and small/kawaii
2016-11-14T08:42:59 < ReadErr> ya PaulFertser 
2016-11-14T08:43:10 < ReadErr> but still
2016-11-14T08:43:20 < ReadErr> for the price its decent buy
2016-11-14T08:43:25 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: http://www.deviationtx.com/
2016-11-14T08:44:07 < ReadErr> hmm I paid ~45-50
2016-11-14T08:44:10 < ReadErr> from amazon
2016-11-14T08:44:31 < ReadErr> how much from china?
2016-11-14T08:45:57 < ReadErr> 53-56 USD on ali
2016-11-14T08:47:14 < ReadErr>  but most of those cheap chinese brushed quads, it can fly
2016-11-14T08:47:29 < ReadErr> hes 11 tho
2016-11-14T08:47:34 < ReadErr> thats practically a grown man
2016-11-14T08:47:55 < aandrew> interesting
2016-11-14T08:48:08 < aandrew> this would have been good to know a year ago
2016-11-14T08:48:18 < ReadErr> those microquads and the devo, stm32
2016-11-14T08:48:22 < aandrew> when I reversed the transmitter protocol but couldn't get past what I think is the checksum
2016-11-14T08:48:22 < ReadErr> so pfff dongs
2016-11-14T08:48:33 < ReadErr> aandrew: ya they got a bunch documented
2016-11-14T08:48:35 < aandrew> the little quad I was reversing used stm32 I think
2016-11-14T08:48:43 < ReadErr> rf protocols anyways
2016-11-14T08:49:03 < ReadErr> packet structure 
2016-11-14T08:49:07 < ReadErr> then it just emulates
2016-11-14T08:49:46 < aandrew> right
2016-11-14T08:50:08 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: e.g. http://www.banggood.com/DIY-Rotating-LED-Kit-POV-Welding-Training-Kit-Upgraded-Version-p-1020956.html?rmmds=search
2016-11-14T08:51:01 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: and some nice DMM
2016-11-14T08:51:18 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: afaict the SMD parts are already assembled, you just have to do through-hole.
2016-11-14T08:51:25 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: so it's a no-brainer
2016-11-14T08:51:48 < ohsix> BRAAAAINS
2016-11-14T08:52:06 < aandrew> whoa that's cool
2016-11-14T08:52:21 < aandrew> think I found something for my 12yo daughter
2016-11-14T08:52:57 < ohsix> upgrdman: labor is cheap anywhere you make 10k quads at once and have a way to unload them quick
2016-11-14T08:53:39 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: i think it mostly depends on the parents. If the parents are mindless consumers, well, there ain't much good to expect from their children. 
2016-11-14T08:54:13 < ohsix> or just mindless
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2016-11-14T09:00:29 < aandrew> it'd probably be a good way to not have to worry about this next year
2016-11-14T09:03:12 < ohsix> or tomorrow amirite!
2016-11-14T09:04:16 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric_reflex_test in case you need to find out someone is dead or not
2016-11-14T09:09:03 < aandrew> oh fuck
2016-11-14T09:09:10 < aandrew> when I got tested for vertigo they did that
2016-11-14T09:09:42 < aandrew> she was able to recreate the same level of dizziness I had by pouring cold water into my ear and tilting my head a certain way
2016-11-14T09:09:45 < aandrew> jesus
2016-11-14T09:09:47 < aandrew> don't remind me of that
2016-11-14T09:13:57 < ohsix> D:
2016-11-14T09:14:46 < ohsix> i dig how youtube shows views for ads, you can see real shit stuff getting none huhuhu
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2016-11-14T09:30:48 < aandrew> http://www.best-gif.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/funny-gifs-Internet-Vs-Reality.gif
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2016-11-14T09:40:31 < ohsix> if you had two dongs you could rub them together
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2016-11-14T09:42:20 < Steffanx> Do you have your fingers on your keyboard ohsix?
2016-11-14T09:43:02 < ohsix> occasionally
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2016-11-14T09:43:21 < Steffanx> Ok, type with me:/nick Laurenceb__
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2016-11-14T09:45:15 < ohsix> http://www.gowrikumar.com/c/index.php
2016-11-14T09:57:27 < celeron55> yeah; also just naming everything "Magic" seems like the way to go
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2016-11-14T10:28:59 < ohsix> c++17 looks neat
2016-11-14T10:29:37 < ohsix> rather, it will be work to have up to date reasons why it actually sucks
2016-11-14T10:31:21 < ohsix> https://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx-status.html#cxx1z
2016-11-14T10:32:02 < decimad> LeelooMinai: Where's the problem? :)
2016-11-14T10:34:30 < ohsix> 2017 is going to be a busy year :\
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2016-11-14T10:36:25 < decimad> well, it builds an ascending variadic integer list and stores a mapping of that in an array... that is clear, right?
2016-11-14T10:37:04 < decimad> though I don't know what it is supposed to show...
2016-11-14T10:37:10 < ohsix> the list is ascending when it is 'built', what's the mapping for?
2016-11-14T10:38:11 < decimad> it seems he tries to categorize ascii codes < 128 into character categories or something
2016-11-14T10:38:29 < ohsix> what is gen_seq
2016-11-14T10:38:31 < decimad> LeelooMinai: The first argument is an internal variable to the algorithm, it's a downcounter
2016-11-14T10:38:48 < ohsix> oh and underflower
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2016-11-14T10:38:54 < ohsix> instead of a toppy-upper
2016-11-14T10:38:58 < ohsix> gotcha
2016-11-14T10:40:55 < decimad> Although it seems to me one could do it without that counter...
2016-11-14T10:43:19 < ohsix> http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/animal-fashion-some-chimps-are-putting-grass-ears-and-nobody-knows-why-180951888/?no-ist
2016-11-14T10:44:52 < decimad> LeelooMinai: An instance of that type is passed to MagicFunction
2016-11-14T10:44:52 < ohsix> 'why do websites let you create your own password' <- megaton bomba
2016-11-14T10:46:36 < decimad> gen_seq<128> derives from seq<1,2,3, ..., 127>
2016-11-14T10:46:41 < ohsix> nice, there's a worm for the 32u4 on the yun, self persistent
2016-11-14T10:46:54 < decimad> erm, 128 in the end
2016-11-14T10:47:28 < ohsix> that atmega can fiddle with / program the linux cpu :>
2016-11-14T10:47:53 < decimad> yes
2016-11-14T10:48:05 < decimad> gen_sec "generate sequence"
2016-11-14T10:48:23 < ohsix> for i in $(seq boner boner) amirite
2016-11-14T10:48:36 < ohsix> that shit is even functional
2016-11-14T10:49:01 < decimad> Then MagicFunction has an overload for seq, to which gen_seq is convertible because it derives from it
2016-11-14T10:49:09 < ohsix> $(seq ) can be hashed with args and replaced with return value
2016-11-14T10:49:21 < decimad> Template argument deduction recovers the stored Indices "Is..."
2016-11-14T10:50:13 < decimad> And then you have a list of those integers inside the body of the function to work with
2016-11-14T10:50:21 < ohsix> q e d, shell programming is superior
2016-11-14T10:51:09 < decimad> LeelooMinai: The argument to the function is not about the value of it, it just a dummy value to transfer the type
2016-11-14T10:52:08 < decimad> It takes some getting used to, yeah
2016-11-14T10:54:49 < decimad> Well it depends on whether the task is solvable by other means with the same result or not :P
2016-11-14T10:57:27 < decimad> I have gone through all kinds of magic there, to remove repetitive stuff of compile-time-static nature from high level code. But it obviously has its downsides too. Good testing/diagnostics needed so users don't have to crawl the error messages.
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2016-11-14T11:08:19 < ohsix> we'll just use assembly because on balance it will save time
2016-11-14T11:09:42 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: if I wanted to really spoil the fun I'd suggest you to tell the story of the great saint Simeon during the evening dinner (including how he basically killed his mother and cultivated worms in his leg): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simeon_Stylites
2016-11-14T11:09:52 < ohsix> hm heh, it would be interesting to have an assembly macro language with types
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2016-11-14T11:11:20 < ohsix> you still have to 
2016-11-14T11:11:23 < ohsix> er
2016-11-14T11:11:34 < ohsix> you still have to know A LOT to pick the subset
2016-11-14T11:11:39 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: that's just a shock-value story for christians.
2016-11-14T11:12:11 < ohsix> work put into knowing the crap i do on this area has delivered zero  dividends
2016-11-14T11:13:25 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: in fact, I'd take the opportunity to educate people about the history of christianity, other abraamic religions, vatican, the christ-inspired wars and then about how modern consumerism took that all over.
2016-11-14T11:14:07 < upgrdman> ohsix, asm macro language? why?
2016-11-14T11:14:43 < decimad> Use machine code, you have the power over all bits!
2016-11-14T11:14:44 < dekar_> LeelooMinai, what about the C++ standard library? Are there decent non-GPL options?
2016-11-14T11:15:25 < jpa-> uclibc++ is lgpl / commercial dual licensed
2016-11-14T11:15:38 < decimad> C++ doesn't head into craziness, it adds what people demand, but the mainstream subset of it is fluent this way
2016-11-14T11:15:51 < jpa-> libcxx would be MIT-licensed but not sure how well it runs on STM32
2016-11-14T11:16:32 < decimad> mostly template stuff, math functions etc.
2016-11-14T11:17:09 < jpa-> i still use libstdc++ but it doesn't not fit stm32 very well, e.g. iostreams is totally unusable
2016-11-14T11:17:29 < decimad> but the runtime library is pretty much built around desktop computers
2016-11-14T11:19:17 < jpa-> ustl would be nice, but i don't feel like maintaining it and its original maintainer considers that "embedded does not matter, this library is only for PCs"
2016-11-14T11:21:04 < decimad> nobody forces you to use them :P but they usually extend something in a nice way or replace quirks you had to do before
2016-11-14T11:22:36 < decimad> But spending huge piles of time in learning c++ is maybe not the best thing to do if you want to go embedded, where most people play safe with C
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2016-11-14T11:25:49 < karlp> stick to painting?
2016-11-14T11:28:15 < karlp> jpa-: I've always thought that a funny attitude.  like, on pcs you don't _need_ ustl.  what's their point?
2016-11-14T11:32:27 < karlp> jpa-: who do you get uclibc++ commercial license _from_ ?
2016-11-14T11:37:09 < karlp> seriously. painting.  no mistakes, just happy accidents.
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2016-11-14T11:40:03 < Steffanx> Picasso.
2016-11-14T11:41:37 < ohsix> upgrdman: refactoring for a type change is a ton of work
2016-11-14T11:41:51 < karlp> Leeloo has started to realise why not everyone uses c++...  we all like the good bits, no-one likes the bad bits...
2016-11-14T11:41:57 < ohsix> basically you'd end up with opcodes that could account for the type
2016-11-14T11:42:04 < decimad> LeelooMinai: You can bypass all the bitshifting and masking that a lot of C coders are proud of with constexpr/template stuff.
2016-11-14T11:42:12 < ohsix> this: 01:41 < karlp> Leeloo has started to realise why not everyone uses c++...  we all like the good bits, no-one likes the bad bits...
2016-11-14T11:42:35 < karlp> decimad: not sure anyone's proud of that :)
2016-11-14T11:42:37 < ohsix> upgrdman: you could hack up a dsl to emit assembly tho
2016-11-14T11:42:59 < decimad> karlp: Considering the bunch of >> 1 smartasses, I'm not too sure
2016-11-14T11:43:50 < ohsix> unread into what everyone says about c++ that they are dismissing or attacking it as a concept of its' own
2016-11-14T11:43:51 < karlp> LeelooMinai: yes, but then you went off on a depression rant abotu how c++ was so big and had so much spec and so many ends you didn't know.
2016-11-14T11:44:03 < PaulFertser> LeelooMinai: I meant consumerism basically hijacked christian traditions just to make more profit money-wise.
2016-11-14T11:44:25 < ohsix> PaulFertser: like 5000 years ago?
2016-11-14T11:44:51 < decimad> I still don't understand how you do containers in C... It seems using macros as a replacement for templates and/or type casting is the way to go
2016-11-14T11:45:12 < decimad> Or you use a linked list for everything
2016-11-14T11:45:22 < karlp> all hail the might void *
2016-11-14T11:45:25 < ohsix> 'contain' is framing that might be making it hard
2016-11-14T11:45:32 < PaulFertser> ohsix: come on, there were no christianity 5k years ago, I do not see your point.
2016-11-14T11:46:08 < decimad> Like for example, you need a heap storing type X... what do you do?
2016-11-14T11:46:20 < ohsix> use the heap
2016-11-14T11:46:25 < ohsix> malloc
2016-11-14T11:46:43 < decimad> I mean the data structure, not the dynamic memory
2016-11-14T11:47:03 < ohsix> you said heap ;]
2016-11-14T11:47:09 < karlp> #include bsd/queue.h
2016-11-14T11:47:18 < ohsix> not 'a heap' that comprises a collection of a specific object
2016-11-14T11:47:19 < karlp> he meant the confusingly named data structure type
2016-11-14T11:47:41 < decimad> char heap_store[ sizeof( X ) * Count ] and then work on void*'s ?
2016-11-14T11:47:48 < ohsix> heh
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2016-11-14T11:48:12 < karlp> decimad: http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/queue.3.html
2016-11-14T11:48:34 < ohsix> i've used arrays before, but that is wizard tier, nobody does that
2016-11-14T11:48:37 < jpa-> karlp: yeah, my feelings exactly about ustl; apparently though he made it for games
2016-11-14T11:48:38 < decimad> karlp: Okay that seems to be macro replacement of templates, right?
2016-11-14T11:48:46 < karlp> decimad: pretty much,
2016-11-14T11:48:50 < karlp> but you asked :)
2016-11-14T11:49:07 < ohsix> decimad: is there a flyweight/slab allocator idiom anywhere in the stl/standard?
2016-11-14T11:49:08 < decimad> Yes, I'm grateful even you point me to it... So my suspection was true
2016-11-14T11:49:10 < karlp> LeelooMinai: if you don't want/can't use c++, sure...
2016-11-14T11:49:25 < karlp> beats open coding it yourself...
2016-11-14T11:49:34 < Fleck> gm stm32ers ;D
2016-11-14T11:49:39 < jpa-> karlp: as for uclibc++ licenses, apparently it is owned by some dude named "Garrett"
2016-11-14T11:49:48 < karlp> LeelooMinai: but it's _maintained_ madness. not "here's a pile of templtes I wrote myself that no-one understands or uses"
2016-11-14T11:49:58 < karlp> gm Fleck 
2016-11-14T11:50:07 < decimad> ohsix: I only know vaguely what they were about, but I would guess no
2016-11-14T11:50:21 < ohsix> and if nobody understands it, alternatives have lower cost to come to understand it
2016-11-14T11:50:31 < decimad> karlp: For data structures templates seem to be very organized too
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2016-11-14T11:50:43 < decimad> that's what they were made for after all
2016-11-14T11:50:56 < karlp> decimad: I've got nothign against templates for that usage.
2016-11-14T11:51:22 < ohsix> decimad: it is an object cache/pool of partially constructed objects
2016-11-14T11:51:40 < karlp> template metaprogramming seems mostly an exercise in job preservation
2016-11-14T11:51:41 < decimad> But then you always need some magic to enable all of the stuff with minimal memory footprint, like deriving from stuff so you can EBO and the likes
2016-11-14T11:51:56 < ohsix> you move allocation cost around, basically
2016-11-14T11:52:10 < karlp> yeah, the excessive time on "minimizing" things in c++  just to prove that there's no overhead in using it....
2016-11-14T11:52:35 < karlp> why not just say, "look, you give up 5-10% in space/speed, but look how much _easier_ it is and _faster_ it was to develop"
2016-11-14T11:52:52 < decimad> but once you have done that, you have a container that is pretty much a great tool to work with
2016-11-14T11:52:53 < karlp> instead of, "same performance, more safe, just swallow all this syntax and templates"
2016-11-14T11:53:02 < ohsix> even if you were using c++ you'd probably do a slab allocator without any of the class/object/template stuff, added storage overhead works directly against the principle of the thing
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2016-11-14T11:54:00 < ohsix> containers main benefit is avoiding teaching what pointers are until people are more invested ;]
2016-11-14T11:55:20 < decimad> and they are a great way to avoid using pointers too, except in a well tested and contained module
2016-11-14T11:55:50 < ohsix> sure, and i agree that teaching people how to program should probably be easier
2016-11-14T11:56:42 < ohsix> but when presented with ways people mean to do that, like avoiding pointers, everything still mostly sucks
2016-11-14T11:57:48 < ohsix> javascript also sucks but it runs everywhere and you 'avoid' nearly all those things, there is even an implied event system on the things you are working with, that you don't have to bolt on
2016-11-14T11:58:18 < Kliment> Eclipse is being a shit again :(
2016-11-14T11:58:53 < decimad> Hrmm, I didn't particularly like javascript, but I didn't have much contact either and it is long ago...
2016-11-14T11:59:08 < ohsix> yea, people don't
2016-11-14T11:59:43 < ohsix> but i like lua and its' table weirdness, it is a bit the same, at least where people find it annoying
2016-11-14T12:00:31 < decimad> Yeah, basically untyped but powerful, both of them. Works well for scripting though, as that's what they're for :P
2016-11-14T12:01:26 < decimad> Been using lua as a scripting language for my c++ programs...
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2016-11-14T12:24:36 < decimad> I like the named structure initializers in C though... is that C99?
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2016-11-14T12:31:32 < karlp> decimad: yeah, realllllly surprised those aren't in c++ 
2016-11-14T12:34:02 < Kliment> haha wow this was stupid of me - typoed gpioa for gpiob and ended up clobbering the sck of an spi bus with an indicator
2016-11-14T12:34:26 < Kliment> No wonder things are weird :)
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2016-11-14T13:53:53 < Steffanx> Steevey where have you been all this time?
2016-11-14T13:55:31 < stvn> just workin 
2016-11-14T13:56:05 < stvn> is tha sky still up Steffanx ?
2016-11-14T13:56:34 < Steffanx> Jawohl.
2016-11-14T14:01:01 < stvn> ah
2016-11-14T14:12:18 < Steffanx> Where is the happy family stvn, stvn?
2016-11-14T14:12:47 < stvn> i think laurenceb went to jail
2016-11-14T14:14:56 < stvn> not sure about tectu
2016-11-14T14:19:02 < Steffanx> But also your happiness is missing.
2016-11-14T14:19:23 < stvn> i'm good
2016-11-14T14:21:10 < stvn> just a little too busy for daily pumping mate
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2016-11-14T14:53:41 < Kliment> It's unfortunate that nucleos have the "arduino" pin numbers printed on the silk but not the hardware pin names
2016-11-14T14:54:05 < jpa-> yep
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2016-11-14T14:55:51 < Fleck> ;p
2016-11-14T14:56:31 < Fleck> same for f7-disco
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2016-11-14T15:05:37 < karlp> Kliment: it's also one of the hardest things for people to dealwith when they move forwrd to non-arduino 
2016-11-14T15:05:42 < karlp> sucha  downside. :(
2016-11-14T15:12:55 < Kliment> Sigh, this is so frustrating
2016-11-14T15:15:40 < Kliment> I made a project targeting the 072, built it, works. Rebuilt for 042, weird stuff is happening and it runs at half the speed for some reason
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2016-11-14T16:55:37 < kakimir> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsQIH-XWYAUo2ei.jpg:large "Don't care" button
2016-11-14T17:05:25 < decimad> I only saw the hex numpad
2016-11-14T17:12:23 < dongs> huh
2016-11-14T17:12:30 < dongs> simemens buying mental graphics
2016-11-14T17:13:28 < dongs> http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mentor-graphics-m-a-siemens-idUSKBN1390Q4 
2016-11-14T17:16:06 < karlp> yeah, "We've got 350k people, we should get a few more, for... stuff... I'm sure it'll fit in somewhere"
2016-11-14T17:16:10 < englishman> old
2016-11-14T17:16:24 < karlp> yeah like what, 12 hours?
2016-11-14T17:16:33 < karlp> even my mental friend onyl shared it this morning :)
2016-11-14T17:20:56 < dongs> sorry i just got off plane
2016-11-14T17:20:59 < dongs> my news is delayed
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2016-11-14T17:37:52 < Kliment> And now I can't seem to debug at all
2016-11-14T17:41:31 < Kliment> Anyone know how to mass-erase a device using dfu-util?
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2016-11-14T17:49:30 < dongs> you dont
2016-11-14T17:49:57 < dongs> hookup uart bootloader.
2016-11-14T17:50:05 < englishman> dfu-util you cant
2016-11-14T17:50:13 < englishman> but you can flash empty .hex
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2016-11-14T17:57:44 < englishman> dd if=/dev/zero of=zero.bin bs=1 count=<bytes>
2016-11-14T18:01:17 < karlp> theres /dev/null and /dev/random and there's "yes" but is there any good way of getting it to generate 0xff instead?
2016-11-14T18:01:29 < karlp> probably not relevant, the tools will always end up eraseing anyway I guess.
2016-11-14T18:14:25 < Laurenceb> nice
2016-11-14T18:14:47 < Laurenceb> now failfox can kill my graphics running streetview
2016-11-14T18:15:23 < Laurenceb> guess thats yet another reason to run chrome :-S
2016-11-14T18:17:15 < Laurenceb> http://www.thelocal.se/20161112/stockholm-transport-heads-defends-gender-equal-snow-clearing
2016-11-14T18:17:20 < Laurenceb> Sweden YES
2016-11-14T18:17:31 < Kliment> englishman: Looks like mass-erase works with -s :mass-erase:force
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2016-11-14T18:21:46 < Kliment> YOu need to give it a filename but it ignores ot
2016-11-14T18:21:47 < Kliment> it*
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2016-11-14T18:26:46 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/7a8c7fd87992c3e87cd187ea7f0f6ccee3f5fecb38d66f4804f81c63e852cb6e.jpg
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2016-11-14T18:45:56 < jadew> is that real?
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2016-11-14T18:59:50 < Laurenceb> lul I saw this earlier
2016-11-14T18:59:51 < Laurenceb> https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/11/14/1423215/the-nhss-12-million-employees-are-trapped-in-a-reply-all-email-thread
2016-11-14T19:00:02 < Laurenceb> should I reply?
2016-11-14T19:04:06 < jadew> you for for the NHS?
2016-11-14T19:04:09 < jadew> *work
2016-11-14T19:05:05 < Laurenceb> not exactly, but I've worked for medical school, so ended up on list 
2016-11-14T19:06:04 < jadew> that's why you were pro brexit, eh? you bought the red truck propaganda :D
2016-11-14T19:06:23 < jadew> or bus, whatever that was
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2016-11-14T19:08:36 < jadew> what's happening with that anyway?
2016-11-14T19:08:49 < Laurenceb> nobody knows
2016-11-14T19:08:53 < Laurenceb> v slow progress
2016-11-14T19:09:38 < jadew> I think they'll wait until everyone is bored with the subject and then they'll pretend it never happened
2016-11-14T19:11:13 < Kliment> Anyone here with HAL experience?
2016-11-14T19:11:53 < decimad> that's maybe asked a bit broadly
2016-11-14T19:12:30 < Laurenceb> https://gfycat.com/HonorableAgonizingHadrosaurus
2016-11-14T19:16:52 < jadew> that keyboard is gay as fuck
2016-11-14T19:21:06 < jadew> birds are very friendly if they get used to you since they hatch
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2016-11-14T19:40:51 < Prutheus> Hello! I am on an stm32f103c8t6 and wanna program it via libopencm3. I wanted to run a timer, what I did successfully after a lot of tutorials, but never was explained how to control the frequency. So could you please tell me more about that? here my code: https://bpaste.net/show/d4db397beb5e How is the frequency of the tootle calculated?
2016-11-14T19:43:59 < Prutheus> LeelooMinai: A datasheet like the ones atmel has for their avr's would be enought
2016-11-14T19:45:42 < englishman> Prutheus: register info is contained in the "reference manual" for that chip, the datasheet has more electrical specs / pinout data / ordering info
2016-11-14T19:46:13 < Prutheus> oh ok, can you link me the register manual please?
2016-11-14T19:46:19 < Prutheus> *reference manual
2016-11-14T19:46:47 < englishman> http://www.st.com/resource/en/reference_manual/cd00171190.pdf
2016-11-14T19:46:54 < englishman> linked from here http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/support/resources/resource-selector.html?querycriteria=productId=LN1565$$resourceCategory=technical_literature$$resourceType=reference_manual
2016-11-14T19:47:10 < englishman> which you get from the f103 product page here http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/microcontrollers/stm32-32-bit-arm-cortex-mcus/stm32f1-series/stm32f103.html?querycriteria=productId=LN1565
2016-11-14T19:47:16 < englishman> (you will be downloading lots of shit from that site)
2016-11-14T19:53:30 < Prutheus> okay, so if i have a prescaler of 36000 and the clock is 72000000hz, then I get a frequency of 2kHz, right?
2016-11-14T19:54:32 < Prutheus> ?
2016-11-14T19:55:05 < Prutheus> how must I calculate with this: timer_set_period (TIM2, 65535);
2016-11-14T19:55:26 < Prutheus> how does this recalculates my frequency? (nono, system is 72mhz)
2016-11-14T19:55:40 < englishman> TIM2 is on APB1 which is 36MHz max
2016-11-14T19:56:00 < Prutheus> oh okay, i need to read about that fact. thanks
2016-11-14T19:56:28 < englishman> ^
2016-11-14T19:57:43 < englishman> if you are running off intrc you won't have 72mhz sysclk anyway
2016-11-14T19:57:51 < englishman> but, you knew that, since you used cubemx as suggested right
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2016-11-14T20:18:03 < decimad> englishman: Does it not work like the f7's, where the apb clock timers are doubled if the ahb was prescaled > /2 for their apb?
2016-11-14T20:18:20 < decimad> ie, even the apb2 timers would run at full hclk, if so desired
2016-11-14T20:18:22 < englishman> yeah it does
2016-11-14T20:18:27 < englishman> after dicking with it
2016-11-14T20:18:40 < englishman> if apb is /2 the timer is /1
2016-11-14T20:18:45 < englishman> and if /1 timer is *2
2016-11-14T20:19:05 < decimad> yeah, so if you run apb2 at max, then the timer runs at ahb speed
2016-11-14T20:19:25 < englishman> yea
2016-11-14T20:19:55 < englishman> but hclk is limited to 64mhz from hsi
2016-11-14T20:20:12 < englishman> so user should figure out what hes doing
2016-11-14T20:20:24 < decimad> Really? Does the PLL unit limit for that input?
2016-11-14T20:20:48 < englishman> yeah
2016-11-14T20:20:51 < englishman> When the HSI is used as a PLL clock input, the maximum system clock frequency that can be achieved is 64 MHz.
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2016-11-14T20:21:24 < decimad> so it is so slow that the pll parameter range cannot reach the 72mhz? that's sad
2016-11-14T20:21:30 < englishman> well
2016-11-14T20:21:35 < englishman> this chip is mearly 10 years on the market
2016-11-14T20:21:43 < englishman> they've made improvements since then
2016-11-14T20:22:33 < kakimir> what is state of innovation today-+
2016-11-14T20:22:38 < kakimir> ?
2016-11-14T20:23:39 < decimad> well, I learned first hand that the hsi of the m7 hsi is not very stable anyways... I had huge "jitters" or rather unstable running in the timers in the range of 100us over 100ms...
2016-11-14T20:23:58 < Laurenceb> englishman: which stm32 is that?
2016-11-14T20:24:05 < englishman> f103
2016-11-14T20:24:08 < Laurenceb> wut
2016-11-14T20:24:12 < englishman> yup
2016-11-14T20:24:17 < Laurenceb> I'm running thousands of f103 at 72mhz
2016-11-14T20:24:21 < englishman> with hse
2016-11-14T20:24:26 < Laurenceb> oh i see
2016-11-14T20:24:29 < Laurenceb> i canna read
2016-11-14T20:24:33 < englishman> typical phd
2016-11-14T20:24:38 < Laurenceb> top batz
2016-11-14T20:25:33 < decimad> I don't want to see your arms when you run all of them at 72mhz
2016-11-14T20:25:42 < decimad> lots of internet training I presume
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2016-11-14T21:06:42 < Kliment> Any advice on where to start looking when a pin change interrupt faisl to trigger?
2016-11-14T21:07:45 < Tectu> lol :D
2016-11-14T21:08:08 < Tectu> Kliment, if it worked before or if you have confidence that the SW is all right I'd start probing the pin with a scope
2016-11-14T21:08:16 < Tectu> Kliment, then check GPIO setup/config
2016-11-14T21:08:38 < zyp> Kliment, is the cpu running or sleeping?
2016-11-14T21:10:02 < Steffanx> stop fucking linking code in images, seriously.
2016-11-14T21:10:43 < zyp> note that SYSCFG is different between families
2016-11-14T21:10:43 < Steffanx> and dont forget the clock for syscfg
2016-11-14T21:10:52 < Steffanx> (if yours requires it)
2016-11-14T21:11:11 < zyp> so the degree that applies to your chip depends on which part it is, which you should probably mention
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2016-11-14T21:12:55 < zyp> no.
2016-11-14T21:13:59 < zyp> good thing you're only linking to code you're going to look at yourself then
2016-11-14T21:15:02 < Steffanx> It's a lost cause.
2016-11-14T21:15:14 < Tectu> LeelooMinai, fancy C++11 HAL you got there
2016-11-14T21:15:29 < zyp> LeelooMinai, no, I just have bad vision and can't read your font
2016-11-14T21:15:45 < zyp> I mean, I don't but that's one legitimate concern
2016-11-14T21:16:48 < Steffanx> It's a lost cause.
2016-11-14T21:17:30 < Tectu> anything sane or just like that?
2016-11-14T21:19:21 < Tectu> LeelooMinai, should I be interested? :p
2016-11-14T21:20:37 < Steffanx> No.
2016-11-14T21:21:25 < Tectu> LeelooMinai, did you try other stuff before you decided to write your own?
2016-11-14T21:22:38 < Tectu> well there's plenty of other stuff out there, you know
2016-11-14T21:22:46 < Tectu> libopencm3 is very popular
2016-11-14T21:22:59 < Tectu> and as far as I can judge laks is sane too
2016-11-14T21:25:12 < Tectu> libopencm3 has complete L4 support if I remember correctly
2016-11-14T21:25:22 < Tectu> libopencm3 does M4 and M7 too :p
2016-11-14T21:25:35 < Tectu> yes, that's of course always a valid reason
2016-11-14T21:26:55 < Tectu> LeelooMinai, those are just the L4 specific parts. Most of the stuff will be pulled from common
2016-11-14T21:27:09 < Tectu> those STM32 share a lot of stuff between the families. eg. the L4 will most likely have the same peripherals as the F4
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2016-11-14T21:29:59 < Tectu> well, I might be wrong of course :p 
2016-11-14T21:30:00 < Tectu> that was all just AFAIK
2016-11-14T21:30:42 < Tectu> well, just for the sake of argument: you can always extend libopencm3 :p
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2016-11-14T21:31:46 < Tectu> LeelooMinai :D
2016-11-14T21:32:03 < Steffanx> and share in images. \o/
2016-11-14T21:38:13 < Tectu> customer sent in HW to write FW.... "A file named “Project.7z” which is a compressed copy of a prepared project in which eclipse
2016-11-14T21:38:13 < Tectu>  and STM32Cube is installed. "
2016-11-14T21:38:19 < Tectu> eclipse & CubeMX, hell no.
2016-11-14T21:40:57 < Tectu> nope, but they actually included the 7z installer to extract the 7z project archive
2016-11-14T21:41:02 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: so that's what you're getting your nephew?
2016-11-14T21:42:00 < Tectu> s/info/intel
2016-11-14T21:42:07 < Tectu> one small change and you already sound like a pro
2016-11-14T21:45:07 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: I'm using hal, changed the pin number, does the hal automagically fix the mux?
2016-11-14T21:51:00 < Steffanx> Is it weird nowadays for a kid not to have a TV, or is that only something that happens in the us/canada?
2016-11-14T21:51:49 < Kliment> Some people find it weird, some don't
2016-11-14T21:52:37 < Steffanx> And how old/young is this kid then? 
2016-11-14T21:52:53 < Steffanx> DAMN.
2016-11-14T21:53:49 < Steffanx> and a phone.
2016-11-14T21:54:03 < Laurenceb> lul
2016-11-14T21:54:20 < Laurenceb> when I was 11 you were lucky to have a ps one
2016-11-14T21:56:39 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo
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2016-11-14T22:14:56 < Rob235> poop
2016-11-14T22:20:18 < ReadErr> damn
2016-11-14T22:20:23 < ReadErr> missed tectu
2016-11-14T22:22:18 < Steffanx> Better email him.
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2016-11-14T22:46:48 < ReadErr> why
2016-11-14T22:47:00 < ReadErr> I was just gonna see if he has uGFX + chibi working on f7 disco yet
2016-11-14T22:47:12 < ReadErr> saw that kawaii does f7 now
2016-11-14T22:47:44 < Steffanx> not sure with chibios, but ugfx for sure.
2016-11-14T22:53:25 < ReadErr> yea they have the support for the f7 nucleo anyways
2016-11-14T22:53:36 < ReadErr> not sure how polished/working it is yet
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2016-11-14T22:55:52 < karlp> god, why am I drinking tea.  should have just opened a beer like I planned on.
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2016-11-14T23:06:13 < Steffanx> The day isn't over yet karlp.
2016-11-14T23:09:41 < ReadErr> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/STMicroelectronics/P-NUCLEO-IHM002/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMv%252bkWzvOmGqmiS0QGCI%252bEAcFwH4zUqM3S4%3d
2016-11-14T23:09:44 < ReadErr> picture is wrong
2016-11-14T23:09:59 < ReadErr> but wondering why they made this?
2016-11-14T23:10:08 < ReadErr> http://www.analog.com/en/products/audio-video/analoghdmidvi-interfaces/analog-hdmidvi-display-interfaces/adv7533.html#product-overview 
2016-11-14T23:10:13 < ReadErr> basically 
2016-11-14T23:18:01 < Steffanx> Picture is wrong, datasheet is wrong, product code is wrong.. Description is correct?
2016-11-14T23:18:58 < ReadErr> http://www.st.com/en/development-tools/b-lcdad-hdmi1.html
2016-11-14T23:19:08 < ReadErr> imagine its that just hat'd 
2016-11-14T23:20:12 < ReadErr> idk, odd 
2016-11-14T23:20:21 < Steffanx> i hope now: http://www.mouser.com/search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=0virtualkey0virtualkeyB-LCDAD-HDMI1 that's cheaper
2016-11-14T23:21:38 < Steffanx> What disco comes iwth that connector?
2016-11-14T23:21:45 < Steffanx> *which
2016-11-14T23:23:25 < Steffanx>  now = not, lol. 
2016-11-14T23:24:37 < qyx> any recommendations for a free and small graphic/font rendering library?
2016-11-14T23:24:40 < qyx> and no ugfx for now pls
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2016-11-14T23:31:37 < ReadErr> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/389/b-lcdad-rpi1-974879.pdf
2016-11-14T23:31:58 < ReadErr> must be related to this
2016-11-14T23:35:56 < Steffanx> U8glib then qyz?
2016-11-14T23:36:15 < Steffanx> Not sure if recommended.
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2016-11-14T23:38:58 < Prutheus> Hello! It is me again. Where can I find out in the stm32f103c8t6 reference sheet, that the timer2 is running on apb1 ... and how fast apb1 is?
2016-11-14T23:39:32 < qyx> Steffanx: mh, looks good, although no longer maintained
2016-11-14T23:39:48 < ReadErr> Prutheus: theres 2 things you need
2016-11-14T23:39:54 < ReadErr> the refman and datasheet
2016-11-14T23:39:56 < qyx> https://github.com/olikraus/u8g2 this one looks better
2016-11-14T23:40:11 < ReadErr> some info is only in one or the other
2016-11-14T23:43:00 < Prutheus> oh okay. i have the refman, could you please link me the datasheet to stm32f103c8t6 please?
2016-11-14T23:45:08 < Thorn> Laurenceb mode on https://2ch.hk/b/src/140070967/14791583246560.jpg
2016-11-14T23:45:14 < Thorn> Prutheus: http://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/datasheet/33/d4/6f/1d/df/0b/4c/6d/CD00161566.pdf/files/CD00161566.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.CD00161566.pdf
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2016-11-14T23:48:55 < Thorn> I haven't looked so closely
2016-11-14T23:49:48 < Thorn> apparently the easiest way to bias a transistor is to use the offset feature of a signal generator
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2016-11-15T00:34:06 < Thorn> which bjt stage is more linear (CE, with emitter resistor): with bypass cap across the emitter resistor or without it?
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2016-11-15T00:35:04 < BrainDamage> without it
2016-11-15T00:35:17 < BrainDamage> but you reduce the gain
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2016-11-15T00:39:38 < Thorn> the sweep mode is quite demonstrative
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2016-11-15T00:50:40 < KreAture_> Hoy dongs I had to move the dma stuff to tim2 again which lost me a compare channel to drive adc.  Using update flag instead seems to work. This allows I2C to work and pixel clock from camera can drive DMA via TIM1_ETR
2016-11-15T00:50:42 < KreAture_> :)
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2016-11-15T01:09:03 < ohsix> boop
2016-11-15T01:09:14 < ohsix> man everyone is all chatty talk talk pretty much everywhere
2016-11-15T01:14:46 < ohsix> all the real life people i know don't know shit about open source and jokes about eric s raymond
2016-11-15T01:16:38 < ohsix> https://scarybeastsecurity.blogspot.ch/2016/11/0day-exploit-compromising-linux-desktop.html
2016-11-15T01:23:45 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxQe_cjUkAEqZce.jpg
2016-11-15T01:23:52 < englishman> good thing 2016 isnt the year of the lunix desktop
2016-11-15T01:27:39 < zyp> that's what I thought too, but the article was fun
2016-11-15T01:28:31 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-15T01:29:00 < ohsix> englishman: it's actually a specific version of ubunto from 2012 ;]
2016-11-15T01:30:18 < ohsix> so that version of nautilus is still from gnome2 or something even
2016-11-15T01:50:22 < Thorn> found LeelooMinai https://youtu.be/IaWgF1SORkk?t=2m42s
2016-11-15T01:55:02 < ohsix> deep burn, will need skin grafts
2016-11-15T02:01:33 < ohsix> braile skateboard's youtube thing is cute, there's like an 'audience' of people at the skate park, msotly kids but basically cool people. kids offering unsolicited advice that isn't bad make it into some of the takes and shit
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2016-11-15T02:28:15 < aandrew> yo dongs I got a UPS shipment held up in Osaka, can you go kick some asses and get it moving?
2016-11-15T02:33:26 < ohsix> i think he's travelling
2016-11-15T02:33:34 < ohsix> said some shit of that nature yesterday, on short notice or something
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2016-11-15T02:52:56 < scrts> sup lads?
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2016-11-15T03:01:06 < aandrew> yeah said he had to go to tokyo
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2016-11-15T03:18:43 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-15T03:18:55 < ohsix> AvE posted a vidya of him driving around ireland and some poop
2016-11-15T03:20:06 < KreAture_> ov7670 camera chip is silly on the i2c
2016-11-15T03:20:12 < KreAture_> it doesn't support repeated start
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2016-11-15T03:24:08 < KreAture_> Omnivision has confirmed that ov7670 does not accept repeated start, instead it is stateful so you do a START, SLAVE ADDRESS WRITE, REG ADDRESS, STOP, START, SLAVE ADDRESS READ, READ DATA, STOP
2016-11-15T03:24:26 < KreAture_> it's odd as I have not used any other i2c peripheral that supported this transaction
2016-11-15T03:24:31 < KreAture_> but it works :)
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2016-11-15T04:01:12 < Rob235> when sorting a list by titles, would you treat 'A' as nonexistent like 'The' or does the A count
2016-11-15T04:11:11 < Rob235> :)
2016-11-15T04:17:17 < zyp> KreAture_, sounds weird that it's distinguishing between start and repeat start at all
2016-11-15T04:30:05 < ohsix> slow your troll bro
2016-11-15T04:30:31 < ohsix> Rob235: i ignore 'the', but not 'A'; this is for movie collection
2016-11-15T04:30:52 < ohsix> so it mostly works out well, not a lot start with A, a sizeable amount start with The
2016-11-15T04:31:02 < Rob235> yea thats what I've been doing
2016-11-15T04:31:16 < Rob235> wasn't sure if I wanted to change it or not.  You convinced me to keep it
2016-11-15T04:31:28 < ohsix> would be nice to tell file managers to ignore that kind of stuff but it isn't much of a problem
2016-11-15T04:31:40 < ohsix> bigger problem is that like 20% of all the movies i have start with s
2016-11-15T04:35:20 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/798353066772799488
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2016-11-15T04:41:08 < stvn> What happened to steffan
2016-11-15T04:43:04 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxRJJSJUsAELUvd.jpg:large
2016-11-15T04:44:25 < ohsix> https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JrH3LYzA3Tk/WCdLiNPQ3rI/AAAAAAAAysM/nqWlYjhN0lMF1SgkUBWDgvHaPmeoSZPLQCLcB/s1600/mcdonalds-italy-nutella-burger.jpg heh
2016-11-15T04:48:49 < stvn> LeelooMinai, good joke. ohsix good stm32 pics there
2016-11-15T04:49:10 < ohsix> nice, siemens is buying mentor graphics
2016-11-15T04:49:42 < ohsix> stvn: my feels are hurt, i know i should be talking about stm32 more!!11 ;[ there's just not a lot of that going on right now
2016-11-15T04:49:58 < stvn> Keil MDK 5.22 supports Cortex-M23 and Cortex-M33
2016-11-15T04:51:09 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxQ6rgfXEAAsaQy.jpg
2016-11-15T04:52:34 < zyp> stvn, seems like current release of GAE also does
2016-11-15T04:52:56 < zyp> ref. https://launchpadlibrarian.net/287100883/readme.txt
2016-11-15T04:53:14 < zyp> (armv8-m)
2016-11-15T04:53:31 < zyp> yes
2016-11-15T04:53:52 < zyp> is there any silicon available yet?
2016-11-15T04:54:19 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cb_CBJsKZ0 wut how'd that fat boy work up the gruff to run
2016-11-15T04:54:25 < ohsix> tits jigglign all over
2016-11-15T05:03:35 < aandrew> https://i.imgur.com/obws073.gifv
2016-11-15T05:03:37 < aandrew> dayum
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2016-11-15T05:28:44 < englishman> stvn
2016-11-15T05:28:44 < englishman> autistic as fuck
2016-11-15T05:28:44 < englishman> ~stvn@unaffiliated/stvn
2016-11-15T05:28:49 < englishman> i see you stopped using webclient
2016-11-15T05:54:05 < stvn> hi dad
2016-11-15T05:54:14 < stvn> aka englishman english-cat
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2016-11-15T06:28:59 < stvn> who wants a keil t-shirt
2016-11-15T06:31:47 < kakimir> new?
2016-11-15T06:32:20 < stvn> nah i wiped my arse with it
2016-11-15T06:32:24 < stvn> sorry
2016-11-15T06:32:42 < stvn> hows the LED kakimir ?
2016-11-15T06:36:13 < kakimir> https://images.sunfrogshirts.com/2015/04/27/m_This-girl-loves-her-KEIL-rcruwcozbj.jpg
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2016-11-15T06:40:28 < kakimir> how is your leds
2016-11-15T06:43:51 < stvn> turned on
2016-11-15T06:44:29 < zyp> pink
2016-11-15T06:44:37 < stvn> ty
2016-11-15T06:45:56 < emeb_mac> anyone ever used STM32 touch sensing?
2016-11-15T06:46:41 < emeb_mac> work OK?
2016-11-15T06:47:23 < emeb_mac> what processor did you do it on?
2016-11-15T06:49:30 < emeb_mac> alice is hawt
2016-11-15T06:50:09 < emeb_mac> cool - thx
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2016-11-15T06:52:17 < jadew> fucking windows deleted a couple of files and a folder via ctrl + z
2016-11-15T06:52:44 < jadew> LeelooMinai, what's that?
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2016-11-15T06:53:46 < emeb_mac> LeelooMinai: nice borad
2016-11-15T06:54:37 < jadew> nice
2016-11-15T06:54:57 < jadew> and the board is pretty
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2016-11-15T06:57:08 < jadew> it's going to have a case too?
2016-11-15T06:57:24 < jadew> oh, the OLED has a touch screen?
2016-11-15T06:57:45 < jadew> or you have capacitive buttons?
2016-11-15T06:57:46 < jadew> got it
2016-11-15T06:58:22 < jadew> neat
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2016-11-15T07:00:02 < jadew> I miss electronics, I've been focusing all my efforts into an all software project in the past months
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2016-11-15T07:02:24 < jadew> LeelooMinai, your boards always look like you really take your time with them
2016-11-15T07:03:36 < jadew> heh
2016-11-15T07:03:48 < jadew> this is the board you needed the RTOS for?
2016-11-15T07:04:15 < jadew> it was just for kicks, I assume?
2016-11-15T07:04:56 < jadew> ah, got it
2016-11-15T07:04:59 < jadew> 404
2016-11-15T07:05:33 < jadew> ah, right, I remember now
2016-11-15T07:05:44 < jadew> CNC stuff, correct?
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2016-11-15T07:07:40 < jadew> you can always cut back on features
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2016-11-15T07:11:31 < jadew> I have 5 ongoing projects atm and I still manage to find something more interesting to do
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2016-11-15T07:12:14 < jadew> for example, right now I have a burning desire to build a LNA and a LPF for my hackrf so I can listen to japanese radio more clearly :D
2016-11-15T07:13:35 < jadew> that's the fun part
2016-11-15T07:13:59 < stvn> who will translate the japan
2016-11-15T07:14:32 < jadew> stvn, I can learn!
2016-11-15T07:15:16 < stvn> mm?
2016-11-15T07:15:34 < stvn> better find steffanx
2016-11-15T07:15:44 < jadew> LeelooMinai, that's what I thought
2016-11-15T07:15:59 < jadew> I tried to learn Japanese in the past, from some CDs
2016-11-15T07:16:02 < jadew> I didn't get too far
2016-11-15T07:16:17 < jadew> watashiwa nihongoga wakarimasen
2016-11-15T07:16:32 < jadew> don't know if I spelled that properly
2016-11-15T07:17:16 < jadew> their radio sounds funny
2016-11-15T07:17:19 < jadew> it's all hyper
2016-11-15T07:17:25 < kakimir> inverted silk fonts.. must
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2016-11-15T07:17:40 < kakimir> I wobder if kicad can do
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2016-11-15T07:23:00 < zyp> japanese is not too hard, I think chinese would be harder to learn
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2016-11-15T07:23:16 < jadew> zyp, yeah, seems very well structured
2016-11-15T07:23:32 < jadew> at least as far as I got with it, it felt easy
2016-11-15T07:24:08 < zyp> yeah, I find that the sounds used in japanese is also pretty similar to norwegian, most vowels are pronounced the same
2016-11-15T07:24:17 < stvn> mmm
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2016-11-15T07:25:23 < zyp> they're all the same except the japanese o is pronounced like the norwegian å
2016-11-15T07:25:44 < stvn> the matsushitas
2016-11-15T07:25:50 < zyp> but a lot of norwegian words spelled with o is still pronounced like å, so that's not too different either
2016-11-15T07:25:51 < jadew> I'd resume learning it, but I don't think it's worth it
2016-11-15T07:26:08 < stvn> only for waifu
2016-11-15T07:26:27 < jadew> zyp, yeah, can't say I found it hard to pronounce either
2016-11-15T07:27:03 < zyp> nah, it's pretty clear and distinct
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2016-11-15T07:28:42 < zyp> when I went to korea, I found it really hard to see the connection between the same word written and spoken
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2016-11-15T07:30:00 < jadew> you could understand their writing? aren't they using something similar to kanji?
2016-11-15T07:30:03 < zyp> but of course, everything is easy when you know it, so you're biased towards what you know
2016-11-15T07:30:18 < zyp> no, I mean romanized writing
2016-11-15T07:30:23 < jadew> ah
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2016-11-15T07:30:40 < zyp> korean are using hangul which is their own script, all phonetic
2016-11-15T07:31:07 < stvn> thankyou
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2016-11-15T07:31:32 < zyp> doesn't really seem harder to learn than kana, so written korean should be easier than written japanese
2016-11-15T07:32:05 < zyp> since for japanese, you'd have to learn both kana and kanji
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2016-11-15T07:42:20 < upgrdman> pumping indeed
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2016-11-15T07:45:54 < upgrdman> nice hashtag  https://i.reddituploads.com/0723af5ee20047e1b38a317d3f345469?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=62f8f750d251499bf2ce7272bf076e3d
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2016-11-15T07:47:09 < upgrdman> R2COM, this is something i imagine you doing  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=950_1479157723
2016-11-15T07:48:44 < upgrdman> lol. good job sweden, good job.  http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/13/swedens-gender-equal-snow-clearing-approach-ends-in-chaos/
2016-11-15T07:49:02 < upgrdman> Stockholm’s center-left government introduced a new “gender equal” approach to clearing the roads of snow last year. The policy states that sidewalks, public transport and bicycle lanes should be cleared before turning attention to the roads. The reason is that women are more likely to use sidewalks while men are overrepresented among commuters driving to work.
2016-11-15T07:49:02 < upgrdman> Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/13/swedens-gender-equal-snow-clearing-approach-ends-in-chaos/#ixzz4Q3OOOGuU
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2016-11-15T07:50:07 < Kuroko> I'm having a problem initializing peripherals
2016-11-15T07:50:52 < Kuroko> it seems that when I initialize the peripheral the state is set to HAL_PERIPHERAL_STATE_ERROR
2016-11-15T07:51:04 < Kuroko> and this happens if I call the initialization from a class
2016-11-15T07:51:20 < Kuroko> but running the same code directly from the main doesn't cause the problem
2016-11-15T07:51:59 < zyp> Kuroko, normal method or global constructor?
2016-11-15T07:52:16 < Kuroko> what do you mean?
2016-11-15T07:52:41 < zyp> you say you're calling it from a class
2016-11-15T07:52:52 < Kuroko> yes
2016-11-15T07:52:56 < Kuroko> the code was working before
2016-11-15T07:52:59 < zyp> is that in the constructor, or through a normal method?
2016-11-15T07:53:07 < Kuroko> from the constructor
2016-11-15T07:53:20 < zyp> and the object is instanced globally?
2016-11-15T07:53:40 < zyp> (i.e. not on stack or heap)
2016-11-15T07:53:54 < Kuroko> no
2016-11-15T07:54:03 < Kuroko> it's instanced inside main
2016-11-15T07:54:08 < Kuroko> http://pastebin.com/MKmhZqkf
2016-11-15T07:54:15 < Kuroko> here's the constructor
2016-11-15T07:54:26 < zyp> where's main?
2016-11-15T07:54:36 < Kuroko> it returns at if (HAL_RTC_Init(&hrtc) != HAL_OK)
2016-11-15T07:54:45 < Kuroko> just a minute
2016-11-15T07:55:24 < zyp> wait
2016-11-15T07:55:34 < zyp> __HAL_RCC_RTC_ENABLE
2016-11-15T07:55:38 < jpa-> seeing people use HAL structs without first calling HAL_RTC_struct_init() or memset or similar always makes me afraid
2016-11-15T07:55:41 < zyp> why is it in the end of the function?
2016-11-15T07:55:52 < jpa-> it only takes one missed field and you get very random errors
2016-11-15T07:56:45 < Kuroko> zyp: I don't know (it was not me that made the class), but it was working before
2016-11-15T07:56:55 < Kuroko> I'll put it at the start of the constructor and test
2016-11-15T07:57:05 < zyp> before what?
2016-11-15T07:57:49 < Kuroko> I didn't modify the class
2016-11-15T07:57:58 < Kuroko> and it was working
2016-11-15T07:58:14 < jpa-> .. when was it working, and what changed?
2016-11-15T07:58:16 < zyp> well, it would work if some external code turns on RTC before that class is executed
2016-11-15T07:58:16 < Kuroko> but well, starting the clock at the beggining of the constructor made it work
2016-11-15T07:58:33 < Kuroko> just don't know why the ADC class has the same problem
2016-11-15T07:58:37 < Kuroko> will look into that
2016-11-15T07:58:40 < Kuroko> thanks a lot
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2016-11-15T08:00:59 < zyp> np
2016-11-15T08:01:15 < Kuroko> the strange thing
2016-11-15T08:01:24 < zyp> protip: stating that «the code worked before» does not help diagnose the problem
2016-11-15T08:01:33 < Kuroko> is that the first thing I looked at the ADC class was the clock
2016-11-15T08:01:58 < Kuroko> and it has the same problem it seems
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2016-11-15T08:02:04 < Kuroko> zyp: yeah, I know
2016-11-15T08:02:14 < Kuroko> someone must've modified something on the git
2016-11-15T08:02:19 < Kuroko> and broken it
2016-11-15T08:03:18 < jpa-> isn't the whole point of git so that when something breaks, you can see who broke it and how?
2016-11-15T08:03:38 < zyp> that's why «git blame» is a command ;)
2016-11-15T08:03:50 < Kuroko> jpa-: it's been a while since I don't work at the project
2016-11-15T08:04:04 < Kuroko> and yeah, I do know for sure who broke it, if that's the case
2016-11-15T08:04:24 < Kuroko> but I do not know how to use git that well
2016-11-15T08:04:27 < ohsix> git log -u too
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2016-11-15T08:19:27 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/3W-Super-Bright-Police-LED-Flashlight-Focus-Power-Torch-Light-Lamp-AA-With-Strap-/351691744864?var=&hash=item51e2762660:m:m2yX_QUrT3FQ6MRr91uFOuQ 40k available, heh
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2016-11-15T08:27:14 < ohsix> upgrdman: don't read more at the daily caller
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2016-11-15T08:35:46 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1200LM-Cree-Q5-LED-Mini-Flashlight-Pen-Light-High-Power-Torch-AA-Lamp-Light-Clip-/222309773286?hash=item33c2b1efe6:g:C3gAAOSwMVdYGEA9 agh smallest hands on earth or most ridiculous flashlight
2016-11-15T08:35:53  * ohsix ordering more of the one i got and some others
2016-11-15T08:36:04 < ohsix> can give them to pals
2016-11-15T08:40:04 < ohsix> any of you guys have some legit UV leds? what's the wavelength
2016-11-15T08:41:10 < ohsix> wanna try and get a thing with one good emitter
2016-11-15T08:43:11 < jadew> ohsix, nice
2016-11-15T08:44:02 < jadew> ohsix, what do you need it for? the UV LED?
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2016-11-15T08:52:56 < ohsix> jadew: eh don't really need, just to point at stuff and get at least 5$ worth of entertainment from ;]
2016-11-15T08:53:58 < ohsix> should probably think of some xmas tat to give people
2016-11-15T08:54:17 < jadew> oh crap, christams is coming
2016-11-15T08:54:28 < ohsix> ya
2016-11-15T08:54:31 < ohsix> and china is sloooow
2016-11-15T08:58:31 < jadew> I think everyone should agree to stop giving presents on christmas
2016-11-15T08:58:35 < jadew> such a waste of money
2016-11-15T08:58:53 < ohsix> give presents all year
2016-11-15T08:59:11 < ohsix> but yea, the idea is sound, the obligation isn't
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2016-11-15T08:59:46 < ohsix> people look like zombies  :D lost in the store and not leaving until they've got something
2016-11-15T09:00:00 < ohsix> it is pretty depressing
2016-11-15T09:13:55 < ohsix> http://vicsydev.blogspot.com/2016/11/the-malloc-challenge.html
2016-11-15T09:17:45 < Kliment> A friend of mine offers christmas present consulting
2016-11-15T09:18:25 < Kliment> You give her a budget, a description of the person it's for, and her fee, and she comes back with a shortlist of presents
2016-11-15T09:18:47 < ohsix> mmmh scriptable ;]
2016-11-15T09:19:04 < ohsix> you can even get demographic info from amazon and twitter and shit too
2016-11-15T09:19:11 < Kliment> I think she's exploiting the automation gap here
2016-11-15T09:19:44 < ohsix> sure, not a bad biz to be in
2016-11-15T09:20:01 < Kliment> It doesn't exactly bring in much
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2016-11-15T09:31:23 < ohsix> ya but a little indirection on something that is kind of hopeless / annoying to even try to be meaningful is $$$
2016-11-15T09:33:22 < ohsix> c4life is a library of ideas and tools that have accumulated over 30 years of writing software for fun. I've found that given a solid foundation, which is what this library is aiming to provide; coding in C is a welcome therapy after seemingly wasting years exploring various ways of pretending the hidden complexity in my stack was someone else's problem.
2016-11-15T09:33:24 < ohsix> huhuhuhuhu
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2016-11-15T09:37:03 < jpa-> ohsix: seems like one could just   malloc(10000000000); and then just allocate from there, never reusing memory until the last free() returns allocation count to 0, at which point it could release it all.. because the challenge as no criteria about fragmentation
2016-11-15T09:38:15 < Kliment> jpa-: I guess that would qualify as mal(loc)ware
2016-11-15T09:39:51 < jpa-> it's actually useful as an arena allocator in some situations
2016-11-15T09:40:36 < jpa-> http://stackoverflow.com/a/12825221/914716   something like this, very fast and if you know that most of the memory is not released until the end of task, it is pretty efficient also
2016-11-15T09:40:45 < Kliment> Assuming nothing else is running on the machine, absolutely
2016-11-15T09:41:34 < jpa-> you would replace 10000000000 with a proper value of course, but on modern operating systems it wouldn't really matter that much either way
2016-11-15T09:42:07 < jpa-> because they'll do the real allocation only when page is accessed for the first time
2016-11-15T09:42:43 < jpa-> (it does cause one to hit memory limits, as happens with java which by default allocates 10% of machine RAM "just because it's there"..)
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2016-11-15T09:48:46 < ohsix> jpa-: valgrind being quiet is part of the test
2016-11-15T09:49:21 < ohsix> i didn't read the test harness yet, can't atm, posted so other people would until i can ;]
2016-11-15T09:50:57 < jpa-> ohsix: valgrind will be happy as long as you release the big chunk at the end of the test
2016-11-15T09:51:05 < ohsix> it does a million 0-10k allocations
2016-11-15T09:51:23 < ohsix> yea i think you're right but it is pretty smart
2016-11-15T09:52:38 < ohsix> it knows about sbrk/mmap and stuff, don't remember if it tells you about untouched pages
2016-11-15T09:54:29 < ohsix> there's no histogram of allocations in the test to catch trivial shenanigans, tho
2016-11-15T09:55:30 < ohsix> also i think the pool allocator already basically does that
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2016-11-15T09:56:03 < ohsix> bbl
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2016-11-15T10:21:27 < stvn> alright.
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2016-11-15T11:25:24 < ohsix> http://www.tech-led.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/UV+Curing+Array+HU01C+Series_clipped_rev_1.png 1 hot led assembly
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2016-11-15T11:37:34 < ohsix> hm .5m uv strip thing is <1$usd
2016-11-15T11:38:01 < stvn> hi ohsix thanks for sharing those LEDs
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2016-11-15T12:09:15 < ohsix> amazon has ads for 'nose whistle' on google
2016-11-15T12:09:19 < ohsix> cornered the market
2016-11-15T12:26:37 < karlp> hrm, what's "PureCode" ? latest g-a-e has this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/gcc-arm-embedded/+spec/execute-only
2016-11-15T12:28:30 < jpa-> karlp: seems it means code that can run without data bus being connected to the program memory
2016-11-15T12:30:30 < Laurenceb_> sounds like it would use more memory?
2016-11-15T12:30:45 < jpa-> probably a bit
2016-11-15T12:31:24 < jpa-> https://community.arm.com/docs/DOC-11666  seems related
2016-11-15T12:40:31 < karlp> so.... we have harvard, but we want von-neuman or vice versa?
2016-11-15T12:44:00 < jpa-> IMO harvard vs. neumann distinction has lost any meaning already
2016-11-15T12:44:07 < jpa-> it's all a matter of how you connect the buses
2016-11-15T12:45:09 < jpa-> STM32F4 already has data-only ram areas, even though most of the RAM is usable for both purposes
2016-11-15T12:46:15 < karlp> kinda seems like the hacking angle is the selling point
2016-11-15T12:47:29 < jpa-> one more hoop to jump through.. but a lot can be done with return-oriented programming
2016-11-15T12:47:49 < jpa-> and i assume they'd have to combine that with no-execute RAM, and OTP flash
2016-11-15T12:50:19 < karlp> it just seems so somewhat pointless to waste time on some of the protections, when the tiniest slip or theoretical gap means that all the rest was worthless.
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2016-11-15T12:59:52 < Kliment> ROP is so crazy easy on ARM
2016-11-15T13:00:02 < Kliment> because of the barrel shifter
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2016-11-15T13:02:41 < karlp> I've seen that claim before, but it doesn't make any sense to me, could you elaborate?
2016-11-15T13:08:12 < jpa-> hmm, how do you use the barrel shifter in ROP?
2016-11-15T13:09:02 < karlp> anyone else having troubles logging into aliexpress?
2016-11-15T13:11:22 < stvn> ;]
2016-11-15T13:13:45 < Kliment> jpa-: massively increases the impact of the situation where you control a single instruction only
2016-11-15T13:14:58 < Kliment> jpa-: For instance, say you have control over an instruction, but not registers. The barrel shifter gives you a set of permutations of the register value to play with
2016-11-15T13:15:58 < Kliment> jpa-: I'm not really well informed in this, and a friend who is explained it in far more detail than I remember, but it sure convinced me
2016-11-15T13:16:24 < jpa-> usually in return oriented programming, you don't control any instructions
2016-11-15T13:16:43 < jpa-> and the link karlp gave would actually stop this altogether, if combined with no-execute ram regions
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2016-11-15T13:19:54 < Kliment> I'll have to ask my friend about it
2016-11-15T13:21:38 < Kliment> It's very possible I'd be spewing bullshit otherwise
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2016-11-15T13:22:51 < Kliment> (it's quite possible I already am :) )
2016-11-15T13:28:13 < stvn> better get dongs to check the meter Kliment 
2016-11-15T13:30:25 < Kliment> Totally
2016-11-15T13:31:33 < Kliment> Anyways, gotta get back to finding out why the fuck the library functions for this BLE library by ST all time out, even though they have the intended effect
2016-11-15T13:36:45 < Kliment> If I ignore return values, everything works correctly
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2016-11-15T14:04:56 < jpa-> karlp: hmm, the security benefits of keeping the firmware secret by not allowing even itself to read it is pretty cool though
2016-11-15T14:05:23 < jpa-> could be combined with some hardware encryption in the flash controller so that you could upload new firmware without giving access to it either
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2016-11-15T14:34:20 < karlp> jpa-: yeah, it certainly makes it harder.
2016-11-15T14:34:39 < karlp> I thought it was cute in that arm paper though where it said, "PF_X actually implies the system is allowed to read it"
2016-11-15T14:34:48 < karlp> then they went back to "but only execute, not read"
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2016-11-15T14:41:55 < karlp> any of you used -fprofile-generate and -fprofile-use to get real usage based optimizations?
2016-11-15T14:42:04 < karlp> apparently it's been in llvm/gcc for ages, never knew about it
2016-11-15T14:43:06 < karlp> heh, gcc4.8 it gets wrose on the demo test
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2016-11-15T16:57:42 < Laurenceb> hawt  http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/about/media-center/press-item.html/p3884.html
2016-11-15T16:57:56 < Laurenceb> sigfox looks pretty pro
2016-11-15T17:01:27 < karlp> so, why is sigfox better than lora?
2016-11-15T17:01:41 < Laurenceb> because its designed by pros
2016-11-15T17:02:05 < Laurenceb> it has a base station network
2016-11-15T17:02:24 < karlp> isn't lora required to have base sttations by someone too? just like sigfox?
2016-11-15T17:02:36 < Laurenceb> sigfox base stations actually exist
2016-11-15T17:03:27 < Laurenceb> As of early 2015, SIGFOX's network covered France (1200 base station towers), Spain (1300 base station towers), the Netherlands, and ten large British cities
2016-11-15T17:03:38 < Laurenceb> and its already a lot better than that
2016-11-15T17:04:57 < emeryth> so it's like a single proprietary gsm network?
2016-11-15T17:05:08 < Laurenceb> yes
2016-11-15T17:05:14 < emeryth> amazing
2016-11-15T17:05:14 < Laurenceb> well its open
2016-11-15T17:05:20 < Laurenceb> but you need an account
2016-11-15T17:05:38 < c10ud^> it's a paid service, afaik
2016-11-15T17:05:45 < c10ud^> well, cheaper than a data plan
2016-11-15T17:05:46 < Laurenceb> yeah
2016-11-15T17:06:00 < Laurenceb> good luck embedded gsm in a low cost portable sensor
2016-11-15T17:06:01 < c10ud^> 1k$ for 1k devices
2016-11-15T17:06:09 < c10ud^> iirc
2016-11-15T17:06:14 < Laurenceb> nice
2016-11-15T17:07:40 < c10ud^> I tried looking into sigfox a few months ago but the only supplier was some small french company 
2016-11-15T17:07:52 < c10ud^> if ST joins the bandwagon..
2016-11-15T17:07:57 < Laurenceb> yeah
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2016-11-15T17:09:22 < emeryth> it will go down one day and the global butthurt will be glorious
2016-11-15T17:11:33 < Laurenceb> looks like it has spirit1 logic
2016-11-15T17:11:54 < c10ud^> well, you can hook up your own gateway (provided you have a license)
2016-11-15T17:12:14 < c10ud^> but I know for a fact that at least in italy the gateways are deployed by a very important comms company
2016-11-15T17:12:26 < c10ud^> read: they have actual infrastructure
2016-11-15T17:12:47 < c10ud^> I don't know if running gateways in a kids' garage is actually better if you want to deploy products
2016-11-15T17:13:36 < Laurenceb> it should be poss to make this talk to spirit1 in fact
2016-11-15T17:13:38 < c10ud^> the real question is: is an unlicensed band "bullet-proof" once actual users start to pop? 
2016-11-15T17:14:17 < Laurenceb> heh yeah it could end up as bad as 2.4Ghz
2016-11-15T17:15:04 < Laurenceb> I wonder if the spirit12 matching network ic could be used
2016-11-15T17:15:09 < Laurenceb>  <- too lazy to work it out
2016-11-15T17:15:16 < Laurenceb> *spirit1
2016-11-15T17:18:11 < karlp> being entirely dependent ona  single vendor network seems pretty absurd.
2016-11-15T17:18:24 < Laurenceb> at least there is a network
2016-11-15T17:19:02 < karlp> you've got to be in a pretty interesting position where gsm is out, but paying a single vendor whatever they end up charging 
2016-11-15T17:19:08 < karlp> is ok.
2016-11-15T17:25:48 < englishman> 10mA when transmitting at 10dBm
2016-11-15T17:25:49 < englishman> cool
2016-11-15T17:26:10 < englishman> i dont know why Laurenceb is so excited about it after his last foray into ST RF
2016-11-15T17:26:29 < Laurenceb> haha
2016-11-15T17:26:42 < aadamson> hehe besides and he's now drooling all over the AX5243 :)...
2016-11-15T17:26:42 < Laurenceb> yeah I should write some decent spirit1 formware
2016-11-15T17:26:54 < Laurenceb> looks like it would work with this new thing
2016-11-15T17:27:12 < Laurenceb> aadamson: well AX5243 isnt so hot in the link layer department
2016-11-15T17:27:49 < aadamson> suppose that depends on what you are after, having native HDLC for AX.25 is kinda nice expecially for RX
2016-11-15T17:28:26 < Laurenceb> yeah, this new ST thing looks good for something like my horse telemetry
2016-11-15T17:28:35 < Laurenceb> AX looks good for HAB datalinks
2016-11-15T17:33:08 < aandrew> Laurenceb: those ST transcievers?
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2016-11-15T17:35:02 < Laurenceb> yes
2016-11-15T17:38:12 < qyx> meh sigfox
2016-11-15T17:38:37 < ReadErr> that cc1350 looked neat
2016-11-15T17:38:57 < qyx> as if there wasn't enough of shit in the ism bands
2016-11-15T17:39:02 < qyx> -of
2016-11-15T17:39:05 < ReadErr> dual band
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2016-11-15T17:57:32 < Laurenceb> http://8ch.net/n/res/483344.html
2016-11-15T18:03:17 < BrainDamage> found zyp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxA9O2WW138
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2016-11-15T19:01:52 < Laurenceb> http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5047/5642738690_1e48309dcf.jpg
2016-11-15T19:01:55 < Laurenceb> found zyp
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2016-11-15T19:32:43 < karlp> everybody loves apetor
2016-11-15T19:32:50 < karlp> we got snow today too yay
2016-11-15T19:40:04 < KreAture_> Yey Got the triggering for dma working
2016-11-15T19:40:08 < KreAture_> for the camera if
2016-11-15T19:40:12 < KreAture_> :)
2016-11-15T19:44:47 < englishman> dudes
2016-11-15T19:44:48 < englishman> holy shit
2016-11-15T19:44:50 < englishman> fuck kicad
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2016-11-15T20:03:46 < ReadErr> most asspie piece of software ive ever used
2016-11-15T20:03:50 < ReadErr> dicking with the VESC shit
2016-11-15T20:05:27 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=46f_1479228007
2016-11-15T20:05:31 < Laurenceb> attn Tectu
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2016-11-15T20:31:01 < Prutheus> where is the difference at »GPIO_CNF_OUTPUT_ALTFN_PUSHPULL« and »GPIO_CNF_OUTPUT_PUSHPULL«
2016-11-15T20:32:52 < rene-dev> ALTFN is alternate function
2016-11-15T20:33:25 < Prutheus> what is this?
2016-11-15T20:33:55 < rene-dev> hooking up pins to the pheriperials, like uart, timers...
2016-11-15T20:34:06 < rene-dev> read the reference manual
2016-11-15T20:34:31 < decimad> I never really understood why the alternate device cannot use the push&pull of the gpio output
2016-11-15T20:34:50 < decimad> does the multiplexer come after all signals?
2016-11-15T20:36:52 < rene-dev> it can
2016-11-15T20:37:45 < rene-dev> the only exception Im aware of is half duplex uart
2016-11-15T20:39:30 < decimad> So differing between plain push&pull and alternate-func push&pull is only due to that device? I find a special note explaining this would be indicated, since probably every reader will have that question popping up, I guess
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2016-11-15T20:41:55 < decimad> oh, that is more like a flag for the af to use push&pull or not? if you deactivate the af you get your gpio independant function back? that'd make sense
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2016-11-15T20:44:34 < zyp> you should look at it as two separate settings
2016-11-15T20:45:09 < zyp> there's four output option: normal-PP, normal-OD, AF-PP and AF-OD
2016-11-15T20:45:44 < zyp> in normal mode it's an independently controlled gpio, in AF mode it's controlled by whatever peripheral is assigned to that pin
2016-11-15T20:46:06 < zyp> and in either of those modes, you can select whether it's driving push-pull or open drain
2016-11-15T20:47:36 < zyp> this is is for stm32f1
2016-11-15T20:48:04 < zyp> newer chips doesn't have PP/OD selection as part of the mode, but instead in a separate type register
2016-11-15T20:50:13 < decimad> zyp: gosh, I remembered there be a special register to tell the AF number, 0 being GPIO, so it seems doubled
2016-11-15T20:51:20 < decimad> that gosh is not meaning "annoyed"
2016-11-15T20:53:01 < zyp> decimad, not on stm32
2016-11-15T20:54:35 < zyp> stm32f1 doesn't even have a concept of AF numbers, AFs are mostly fixed, but some groups can be remapped
2016-11-15T20:54:46 < Fleck> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jc12-7-6BY :D
2016-11-15T20:56:27 < zyp> wtf
2016-11-15T20:56:29 < decimad> zyp: okay, I was misconcepted about af0 being mapped as GPIO, it's just "Sys"
2016-11-15T20:56:48 < zyp> decimad, hmm?
2016-11-15T20:57:34 < decimad> zyp: because I remembered the AF0-AF15 meaning AF0 = GPIO, AF1 ... AF15 pin dependant peripherals
2016-11-15T20:57:51 < zyp> have you worked with lpc parts? they are like that
2016-11-15T20:58:56 < decimad> No, actually I'm only a fool, this misremembering led to not understanding why I need to differ on the output types^^
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2016-11-15T21:06:58 < Prutheus> rene-dev: where can i find ssomething in the refenrence manual? i am on stm32f103c8t6, which page can help?
2016-11-15T21:07:19 < zyp> Prutheus, find what?
2016-11-15T21:07:39 < zyp> you probably want the GPIO chapter
2016-11-15T21:07:44 < rene-dev> Prutheus GPIO chapter
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2016-11-15T21:29:29 < Laurenceb> http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/27718/1478703430/ifeelsick.jpg
2016-11-15T21:35:46 < KreAture_> so
2016-11-15T21:36:43 < KreAture_> Anyone able to find a direct way of triggering dma transfer with CH1_ETR ?-)
2016-11-15T21:37:03 < KreAture_> I had to set up the timer to reset on every ETR pulse and then create an event on it's own reset
2016-11-15T21:37:15 < KreAture_> This event was what the dma could listen to
2016-11-15T21:37:28 < KreAture_> :)
2016-11-15T21:38:28 < kakimir> hello Laurenceb 
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2016-11-15T21:40:06 < Laurenceb> hi kakimir https://i.sli.mg/TK0rkQ.jpg
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2016-11-15T21:46:24 < Tectu> stop posting crap like that, Laurenceb 
2016-11-15T21:48:05 < kakimir> how I imagine british women Laurenceb 
2016-11-15T21:48:14 < Laurenceb> accurate
2016-11-15T21:49:32 < KreAture_> Laurenceb is a convertite I think
2016-11-15T21:49:34 < KreAture_> lalalalalala
2016-11-15T21:49:41 < KreAture_> BOOM
2016-11-15T21:49:58  * Laurenceb throws some gays off a tall building
2016-11-15T21:50:22 < Steffanx> Will it give a rainbow splash?
2016-11-15T21:56:15 < KreAture_> Their biggest issue is they ruined most of the buildings
2016-11-15T21:56:26 < KreAture_> now they are not tall enough to even get hurt from
2016-11-15T21:56:35 < KreAture_> welcome back to the stone age
2016-11-15T22:04:22 < kakimir> O m
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2016-11-15T22:07:35 < kakimir> what is that style called Laurenceb ?
2016-11-15T22:09:12 < Steffanx> Autism.
2016-11-15T22:09:24 < kakimir> no
2016-11-15T22:10:09 < Steffanx> is finnishersland cold yet kakimir?
2016-11-15T22:11:44 < kakimir> it was almost -10 two days back or so
2016-11-15T22:11:50 < kakimir> so not
2016-11-15T22:12:55 < kakimir> -35 and smoke freezes on top of chimneys just floating still
2016-11-15T22:13:19 < sync> nice
2016-11-15T22:13:50 < kakimir> -10 is okay for work and so
2016-11-15T22:14:08 < kakimir> it's about having clothes on and physical activity
2016-11-15T22:14:47 < Steffanx> dont we all live naked in the basement?
2016-11-15T22:15:11 < Rob235> I'm not in a basement
2016-11-15T22:15:19 < Kliment> argh, i2c not working
2016-11-15T22:16:00 < Laurenceb> lul
2016-11-15T22:16:11 < Laurenceb> i2c, working, pick one
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2016-11-15T22:31:08 < Tectu> first time Laurenceb said something sane
2016-11-15T22:32:12  * sync marks the day in the calendar
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2016-11-15T22:43:51 < Kliment> Hey, it works!
2016-11-15T22:44:10 < Kliment> Apparently it wants non-shifted addresses even though the HAL documentation says otherwise
2016-11-15T22:44:18 < Kliment> In other news, fuck HAL, it's a pile of crap
2016-11-15T22:58:59 < Steffanx> hah, whats new
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2016-11-15T23:49:34 < BrainDamage> what's new is google sending me email spam, i mean, wtf?
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2016-11-16T00:00:17 < jadew> anyone used one of these? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1080P-HDMI-HD-Digital-Lab-Industry-C-mount-Microscope-Camera-PCB-Soldering-A30-/311596963461
2016-11-16T00:02:08 < jadew> I want it for my microscope
2016-11-16T00:02:17 < jadew> think it needs extra lens?
2016-11-16T00:03:00 < aandrew> yeah I kind of want a camera for my microscope
2016-11-16T00:03:18 < aandrew> I have a trinocular inspection scope but never put anything in the third port
2016-11-16T00:03:39 < jadew> I have a trinocular too, and my DSLR sucks on the 3rd port
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2016-11-16T00:04:05 < jadew> I assume I need something specifically designed for the job, but I've heard lots of horror stories
2016-11-16T00:04:08 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: yes, I've dicked around with the USB inspection scopes. they suck, way too high latency
2016-11-16T00:04:15 < aandrew> yeah I'd do direct HDMI
2016-11-16T00:04:16 < jadew> saw a video on youtube just now tho, where the image quality was great
2016-11-16T00:04:42 < aandrew> louis rossmann has a decent one, he lists the specific make/model on the video descriptions
2016-11-16T00:05:02 < jadew> yeah, that's where I saw the good video quality
2016-11-16T00:05:11 < jadew> but the model he has is not in production anymore
2016-11-16T00:05:23 < jadew> and it looks like what I linked
2016-11-16T00:05:41 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I have one, but it's not trinocular
2016-11-16T00:06:18 < jadew> looking at stuff
2016-11-16T00:06:30 < jadew> I'm a curious guy :)
2016-11-16T00:07:33 < jadew> 1000x, with 10x eyepieces, but I have 20x eyepieces too
2016-11-16T00:07:36 < jadew> they're not great tho
2016-11-16T00:08:15 < jadew> I don't think you can get good 2000x with visible light
2016-11-16T00:09:22 < jadew> no, not really, mine is with oil
2016-11-16T00:09:33 < jadew> and 2000x is just blury
2016-11-16T00:09:48 < jadew> yeah, UV ones can do even more than that
2016-11-16T00:10:13 < jadew> I don't remember exactly what my biggest objective is, but I assume it's 100x
2016-11-16T00:10:19 < jadew> LeelooMinai, heh, yeah
2016-11-16T00:10:36 < jadew> (it's boxed now)
2016-11-16T00:11:03 < jadew> I think they're 10, 40 and 60 and 100?
2016-11-16T00:11:22 < jadew> let me check
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2016-11-16T00:13:12 < jadew> brb, I have to fight the dust off first
2016-11-16T00:17:30 < jadew> I was wrong, 4, 10, 40, 100
2016-11-16T00:18:05 < jadew> I haven't watched blood so far, didn't have the nerve to obtain it :D
2016-11-16T00:18:16 < jadew> spit looks interesting tho
2016-11-16T00:18:25 < jadew> lots of living things there
2016-11-16T00:18:39 < jadew> yeah, I don't want to do that lol
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2016-11-16T00:20:20 < jadew> I'm sure at some point I'll get a cut and at that very moment I'll still have the microscope near me
2016-11-16T00:20:46 < jadew> never a surgeon, but I have no problem with blood
2016-11-16T00:20:50 < jadew> as long as it's not mine
2016-11-16T00:21:24 < jadew> well, then there's the pain :P
2016-11-16T00:22:39 < jadew> yeah... don't know, I just don't like needles I guess, maybe I'll trick someone else into doing it
2016-11-16T00:22:51 < jadew> "hey wanna see something cool? give me your finger!"
2016-11-16T00:23:12 < jadew> no, the ones I have are big enough to be observed under the inspection one
2016-11-16T00:23:16 < jadew> (very old)
2016-11-16T00:24:06 < jadew> looks painful
2016-11-16T00:24:21 < jadew> omg
2016-11-16T00:24:50 < Steffanx> So young, retired and such fancy stuff.. Won the lottery Leeloo? :)
2016-11-16T00:25:11 < Steffanx> Re. The microscope.
2016-11-16T00:25:14 < jadew> that's a faild magician
2016-11-16T00:25:59 < Steffanx> Oh ok.
2016-11-16T00:26:00 < jadew> $500 for the biological one?
2016-11-16T00:26:06 < jadew> that's a lot
2016-11-16T00:26:25 < jadew> ah, yeah, that might be a bit
2016-11-16T00:27:11 < jadew> I'm happy with mine
2016-11-16T00:27:40 < Steffanx> What does jadew have?
2016-11-16T00:27:46 < Steffanx> Which*
2016-11-16T00:28:13 < jadew> Steffanx, let me try to find the exact model
2016-11-16T00:28:27 < BrainDamage> more importantly, can you see your own dick with it, or do you need to witch to an atomic force microscope?
2016-11-16T00:28:49 < jadew> for that I use my binoculars
2016-11-16T00:28:52 < jadew> in reverse
2016-11-16T00:29:00 < Steffanx> :D
2016-11-16T00:29:27 < Steffanx> Better watch latest Westworld. It was an interesting episode.
2016-11-16T00:29:42 < jadew> yeah, I liked it too
2016-11-16T00:29:47 < BrainDamage> i can't get over the fact that google is sending me spam mails, nothin is sacred
2016-11-16T00:30:17 < Steffanx> I feel sorry for you BrainDamage. Want a cookie
2016-11-16T00:30:22 < Steffanx> Or a hug?
2016-11-16T00:30:53 < Steffanx> (What is google spamming?)
2016-11-16T00:30:57 < jadew> http://www.ebay.com/itm/AmScope-40X-2500X-LED-Lab-Compound-Microscope-with-3D-Two-Layer-Mechanical-Stage-/381347257727
2016-11-16T00:31:17 < BrainDamage> "I came across your wide range of accomplishments–from your  impressive Github repositories to your UVa challenge performance–and had  to reach out as you are clearly someone who belongs on Google’s radar."
2016-11-16T00:31:27 < BrainDamage> except it's a bot
2016-11-16T00:31:36 < BrainDamage> i didn't touch that shit in over 4 years
2016-11-16T00:32:03 < jadew> LeelooMinai, it's american
2016-11-16T00:32:20 < jadew> but they might be rebranded
2016-11-16T00:33:18 < jadew> nice
2016-11-16T00:33:53 < jadew> don't think so
2016-11-16T00:34:00 < jadew> glass is cheap
2016-11-16T00:34:02 < BrainDamage> i had a microscope as a kid, couldn't see shit with i
2016-11-16T00:34:45 < jadew> I always wanted a microscope as a kid
2016-11-16T00:34:57 < BrainDamage> i tried water, blood, diluited paint
2016-11-16T00:35:15 < BrainDamage> and mutilated few insect limbs
2016-11-16T00:35:38 < BrainDamage> the insects were the only things that worked
2016-11-16T00:36:01 < BrainDamage> well, plastic or not makes it just a bit aberration
2016-11-16T00:36:02 < jadew> I can see bacteria with this one
2016-11-16T00:36:29 < BrainDamage> the real problem was that it was impossible to focus things
2016-11-16T00:36:41 < BrainDamage> which makes me thing that the tollerances were out of wack
2016-11-16T00:39:41 < jadew> LeelooMinai, the ones that do UV are super expensive I think
2016-11-16T00:39:52 < jadew> the only ones I saw in videos occupy an entire bench
2016-11-16T00:40:56 < jadew> you can, but those take up a room :P
2016-11-16T00:41:09 < jadew> and you have to coat the viruses first :P
2016-11-16T00:41:10 < BrainDamage> you're diffraction limited when you go few um
2016-11-16T00:41:19 < BrainDamage> and wavelength limited on hundred of nm
2016-11-16T00:41:35 < BrainDamage> you actually can diy a STM
2016-11-16T00:42:24 < BrainDamage> it's essentially a piezo disk with a needle charged with high potential, and then measure the tunnel current
2016-11-16T00:42:24 < jadew> this is with the inspection one and the DSLR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b94cJsaMns
2016-11-16T00:42:39 < BrainDamage> you steer the needle by applying potential to the disk,deforming it
2016-11-16T00:43:18 < jadew> BrainDamage, anyone did it?
2016-11-16T00:43:29 < jadew> hobbyist
2016-11-16T00:43:37 < BrainDamage> yeah, quite a few
2016-11-16T00:43:51 < BrainDamage> a stm IS an electron microscope
2016-11-16T00:44:56 < BrainDamage> yes, you float a needle
2016-11-16T00:45:40 < BrainDamage> LeelooMinai: the principle is the same
2016-11-16T00:45:56 < BrainDamage> it's accelerated by the tip's electric field
2016-11-16T00:45:56 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I let it there for another day to accumulate more proteins, then I fried it
2016-11-16T00:46:53 < BrainDamage> LeelooMinai: the one where the accelerator is separatd is called TEM
2016-11-16T00:47:14 < BrainDamage> but both TEM and STM are electron microscopes
2016-11-16T00:47:47 < BrainDamage> if you think that's annoying, try AFM :p
2016-11-16T00:47:56 < BrainDamage> you literally drag a needle
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2016-11-16T01:04:23 < jadew> I wish you could rotate a video on youtube
2016-11-16T01:07:29 < jadew> LeelooMinai, same microbe at probably 100x (10 x 10) through the biological one: http://188.27.94.149/stuff/20150925_142733.jpg
2016-11-16T01:19:54 < jadew> I think I used 100x for this one too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_6VWTKG9Ok (higher quality video is not done processing, but it doesn't help much anyway)
2016-11-16T01:20:30 < jadew> (at first it's 40x for sure
2016-11-16T01:20:43 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-16T01:20:58 < jadew> if you'll skip forward you'll see it upclose :)
2016-11-16T01:21:10 < jadew> it has one leg
2016-11-16T01:23:15 < jadew> I wanted to check it out from even closer, but I had to put a cover slip over it and... it sort of spilled
2016-11-16T01:23:20 < jadew> http://188.27.94.149/stuff/20151027_130424.jpg
2016-11-16T01:24:51 < jadew> LeelooMinai, probably both
2016-11-16T01:27:46 < KreAture_> hey LeelooMinai 
2016-11-16T01:28:18 < KreAture_> Found a way to trigger my dma to get data from cam :) I had really only one shot and that was the TIM1_ETR and it turned out it was possible :)
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2016-11-16T01:33:45 < Laurenceb_> great, great, wall
2016-11-16T01:58:54 < KreAture_> classic R2COM 
2016-11-16T01:59:14 < KreAture_> I like the standards that cost money to be approved by, but with free insight
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2016-11-16T02:14:32 < aandrew> R2COM: yep
2016-11-16T02:14:36 < aandrew> but youc an find them online
2016-11-16T02:15:22 < aandrew> KreAture_: what're you doing?
2016-11-16T02:16:38 < KreAture_> aandrew making a lidar
2016-11-16T02:17:04 < KreAture_> mostly playing wth the dma and stuff on the stm though
2016-11-16T02:27:57 < KreAture_> aandrew the fun part is using the cheap mcu not a huge ass one that would do it easily
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2016-11-16T02:44:29 < aandrew> *nods*
2016-11-16T02:44:34 < aandrew> I enjoy those kinds of exercises
2016-11-16T02:44:37 < aandrew> not always successful
2016-11-16T02:47:33 < KreAture_> well, this seems like it is all working out
2016-11-16T02:49:03 < KreAture_> My sdram code will allow me to dump 512 bytes of data every 100us or so and the camera delivers data with enough gaps inbetween each row to make it possible
2016-11-16T02:49:19 < KreAture_> I also managed to get a pinout that allows me to run both sdram and cam by sharing their databus
2016-11-16T03:00:59 < ReadErr> dongs: https://safety-third-racing-pro-shop.myshopify.com/products/safety-third-racing-2206-24-000-db
2016-11-16T03:02:38 < aandrew> hahaha
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2016-11-16T03:22:23 < aandrew> don't think so
2016-11-16T03:22:27 < aandrew> you just can't use their label
2016-11-16T03:26:59 < Laurenceb_> illegal MIPI
2016-11-16T03:27:06 < Laurenceb_> you are going to gaol
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2016-11-16T03:59:06 < ohsix> at the bend red cross for a mapping meeting
2016-11-16T03:59:58 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/MacRumors/status/798614787164815360
2016-11-16T04:01:37 < Laurenceb_> serious business
2016-11-16T04:01:57 < Laurenceb_> somewhere someone gets paid to administer that shit
2016-11-16T04:05:17 < ohsix> KreAture_Zzz: looking at those pdfs side by side again
2016-11-16T04:05:38 < ohsix> the reset bnit has inverted between doc ver 1.1 and 1.3
2016-11-16T04:05:41 < ohsix> for the ov7670
2016-11-16T04:05:52 < ohsix> 1.01 and 1.3
2016-11-16T04:06:20 < ohsix> pin f2 on page 4, lul that's a pretty serious error
2016-11-16T04:07:08 < ohsix> they added a timing diagram for rgb444
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2016-11-16T04:10:00 < ohsix> hrmpghththpmgh no obvious way to advance only one side in diffpdf, ccan't skip over that rgb444
2016-11-16T04:13:36 < ohsix> tons of people here now, bbl
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2016-11-16T05:07:39 < aandrew> well, my rev2 board has proper spacing for the stupid indian SOM module
2016-11-16T05:07:51 < aandrew> 0.66mm isn't good enough. must be 0.6556mm
2016-11-16T05:08:01 < aandrew> who the fuck makes a module with such an idiotic dimension
2016-11-16T05:08:10 < aandrew> eInfoChips, that's who
2016-11-16T05:09:48 < aandrew> if you'd have told me it's the average width of a curry grain I'd have believed you
2016-11-16T05:10:50 < aandrew> https://i.reddituploads.com/9d5435ccafcc4d5983f38841fc010020?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=e780faf44af762d0b9a653187d41be90
2016-11-16T05:10:53 < aandrew> hahaha
2016-11-16T05:11:04 < aandrew> it's a SOM system on module. basically a little board that is soldered on to another board
2016-11-16T05:11:20 < aandrew> it's got like 70 pins on a side which is why my 0.66mm error accumulated enough to cause trouble
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2016-11-16T05:50:11 < englishman> jadew: i just got a dslr adapter for my microscope. ready to film shit in 4k30
2016-11-16T05:50:41 < jadew> englishman, how well does it work?
2016-11-16T05:50:50 < jadew> does it have a lens too?
2016-11-16T05:51:16 < jadew> yeah, doesn't sound cheap
2016-11-16T05:53:29 < jadew> if I had enough room I would have bought a lathe by now and built one myself
2016-11-16T05:53:52 < englishman> jadew: no, but there's all kinds tubes and focussers and reducers etc you can buy buy buy
2016-11-16T05:54:06 < englishman> all those usb cams are utter trash
2016-11-16T05:54:21 < englishman> you can buy my old one for $250 if you want to see for yourself
2016-11-16T05:54:51 < englishman> dslr adapter was $20 ebay
2016-11-16T05:55:12 < jadew> LeelooMinai, via HDMI I guess
2016-11-16T05:55:22 < englishman> with the dongmagic card i'm installing tomorrow, yes
2016-11-16T05:55:35 < jadew> englishman, yeah, I originally got one that has a lens in there, but the focus distance is double what I need to get focus via the eyepieces
2016-11-16T05:55:53 < jadew> now I have a hollow one, but doesn't work great either
2016-11-16T05:56:02 < jadew> I still don't get focus at the same distance
2016-11-16T05:56:16 < englishman> well the tradeoff with an x2 is that the entire sensor will be filled with image, instead of a light circle surrounded by dark
2016-11-16T05:56:50 < englishman> you're supposed to use a focus tube, that aligns the sensor to the same focal plane as your eyepieces
2016-11-16T05:57:27 < jadew> englishman, I see, mind taking a photo of your adapters when you get a chance?
2016-11-16T05:57:42 < englishman> sure, but it'll be a cellphone pic since the camera will be attached
2016-11-16T05:57:56 < jadew> yeah, doesn't matter, just to see what works for you
2016-11-16T05:58:22 < englishman> theres a ton of different adapter threadings and crap, zero standardization of course
2016-11-16T05:59:06 < englishman> not in my case, since now i have a $250 usb cam collecting dust
2016-11-16T05:59:16 < jadew> heh
2016-11-16T05:59:46 < jadew> I even considered adding a 3rd eyepiece there and have that in focus with the other two and make an adapter on top of that
2016-11-16T05:59:50 < jadew> so the camera would use its own lens
2016-11-16T06:00:17 < englishman> the shutter was so slow, it would never take a clear image, ever
2016-11-16T06:00:25 < englishman> poor resolution
2016-11-16T06:00:39 < englishman> no way to fix rotation so it would constantly turn around as the usb cable tugged on it
2016-11-16T06:01:06 < englishman> shitty chinese software to capture video/images
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2016-11-16T06:04:02 < englishman> http://www.microscopenet.com/omax-90mp-digital-camera-microscope-with-001mm-calibration-slide-windowsmaclinux-p-10123.html
2016-11-16T06:04:07 < englishman> thats the one i got
2016-11-16T06:04:23 < jadew> the one that sucks?
2016-11-16T06:04:59 < englishman> why dont you buy it and find out
2016-11-16T06:05:07 < jadew> haha
2016-11-16T06:06:18 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/0LGKz6Z.jpg dslr
2016-11-16T06:06:21 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/KSA7oQ5.jpg usb cam
2016-11-16T06:08:46 < englishman> my spotlight is doing something weird, reflecting inside the tube or whatever
2016-11-16T06:09:19 < englishman> and right, not focused - *never* in focus
2016-11-16T06:10:26 < jadew> englishman, I have the same issue with my DSLR
2016-11-16T06:10:31 < englishman> placed back in box, box placed on shelf
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2016-11-16T06:11:52 < jadew> on that shoots in 1080p probably around $400?
2016-11-16T06:12:06 < jadew> not sure tho, prices go down by a lot, every year
2016-11-16T06:12:24 < englishman> it can also be used for kittens http://i.imgur.com/dqWrfcb.jpg
2016-11-16T06:12:33 < englishman> increasing its value
2016-11-16T06:16:37 < jadew> I wish I had less dust in my room so I could play with the distance between the camera and the prism, without mounting it on that tube
2016-11-16T06:16:46 < jadew> I think the tube is too tall or something
2016-11-16T06:17:04 < zyp> 05:06:18 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/0LGKz6Z.jpg dslr
2016-11-16T06:17:11 < zyp> that's on a microscope adapter or something?
2016-11-16T06:17:18 < englishman> yes
2016-11-16T06:18:00 < jadew> I have similar results
2016-11-16T06:18:08 < jadew> you can basically get better pictures with a macro lens
2016-11-16T06:18:22 < zyp> jadew, yeah, that's what I was thinking
2016-11-16T06:18:23 < jadew> LeelooMinai, that was through the biological one
2016-11-16T06:18:27 < jadew> and I took it with my phone
2016-11-16T06:18:58 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, all that was done through a toilet paper tube adapter I made for my phone :D
2016-11-16T06:19:14 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/E08pl.JPG <- here's what a plain macro lens does
2016-11-16T06:19:24 < jadew> because the results were better than what I got with the DSLR and the various adapters
2016-11-16T06:19:43 < jadew> zyp, yeah, that's pretty good
2016-11-16T06:19:59 < englishman> zyp: how do you connect that to the microscope? or, no microscope?
2016-11-16T06:20:02 < englishman> i have a macro lens
2016-11-16T06:20:12 < zyp> englishman, no microscope, just shot with the macro lens
2016-11-16T06:20:13 < jadew> I have a nice macro lens I could use, but sometimes you just want to take a quick photo of whatever you're looking at through the microscope
2016-11-16T06:20:16 < englishman> ok
2016-11-16T06:20:38 < jadew> LeelooMinai, my macro lens costed $400 :P
2016-11-16T06:20:54 < zyp> jadew, which?
2016-11-16T06:21:16 < jadew> zyp, 100mm from cannon
2016-11-16T06:21:19 < jadew> or canon?
2016-11-16T06:21:19 < zyp> ah
2016-11-16T06:21:22 < jadew> campm
2016-11-16T06:21:23 < zyp> I've got the 60mm
2016-11-16T06:21:25 < jadew> canon
2016-11-16T06:21:36 < jadew> LeelooMinai, no, for the DSLR
2016-11-16T06:21:55 < jadew> I think microscope + camera can work well, but you need a good camera and/or mounting stuff
2016-11-16T06:22:23 < jadew> zyp: this one: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/194451-USA/Canon_4657A006_100mm_f_2_8_USM_Macro.html
2016-11-16T06:22:38 < jadew> I guess it was more expensive... I had it for a very very long time
2016-11-16T06:22:43 < englishman> nice
2016-11-16T06:22:52 < zyp> jadew, yeah, it's pretty identical to mine apart from the focal length
2016-11-16T06:23:11 < zyp> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/371176-USA/Canon_0284B002_EF_S_60mm_f_2_8_Macro.html
2016-11-16T06:23:31 < jadew> newer technology :)
2016-11-16T06:23:57 < jadew> I wonder how they compare
2016-11-16T06:24:36 < zyp> hmm, I paid 41220 yen for it three years ago, that's basically same as $400
2016-11-16T06:24:54 < jadew> have you used it a lot?
2016-11-16T06:25:14 < zyp> mostly just pcb shots, it's perfect for that
2016-11-16T06:25:25 < jadew> for me it was a bad investment, I might have took like... 5 photos worth keeping with it
2016-11-16T06:25:44 < jadew> I bought it when I was into photography, I wanted to take pictures of bugs
2016-11-16T06:26:10 < jadew> didn't know the DOF would be awful, so I gave up on that pretty fast
2016-11-16T06:26:13 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/s177m.JPG <- it's great for shit like this
2016-11-16T06:27:17 < jadew> ha, I think have the same lens too
2016-11-16T06:27:27 < jadew> it's some 150 or something mm zoom lens, right?
2016-11-16T06:27:40 < zyp> tokina?
2016-11-16T06:28:05 < jadew> don't think so, I don't really know the brand, I got it with a SH film camera
2016-11-16T06:28:08 < zyp> I've got a similar looking but not identical one
2016-11-16T06:28:35 < zyp> LeelooMinai, it's obviously a sliding zoom from the pic
2016-11-16T06:29:30 < jadew> you should get a DSLR
2016-11-16T06:30:00 < zyp> well, if the sensor is not enclosed, you'll get too much light leaking in from everywhere
2016-11-16T06:30:01 < jadew> you'll most likely end up with a bunch of lens for each occasion
2016-11-16T06:30:18 < zyp> jadew, eh, or just a couple of good zooms
2016-11-16T06:30:45 < zyp> LeelooMinai, paper doesn't block enough light
2016-11-16T06:30:57 < jadew> zyp, once you go prime, you never go back
2016-11-16T06:31:26 < jadew> the quality between prime lens and zoom is crazy
2016-11-16T06:31:48 < zyp> the convenience of a zoom is crazy too :)
2016-11-16T06:32:01 < jadew> I zoom by foot :P
2016-11-16T06:32:14 < jadew> LeelooMinai, fixed focal length
2016-11-16T06:32:16 < zyp> prime = fixed focal length
2016-11-16T06:32:30 < zyp> zoom = variable focal length
2016-11-16T06:32:33 < jadew> so the optics is much simpler and because of that, much better
2016-11-16T06:32:48 < jadew> so basically, you can get high quality images for less money
2016-11-16T06:33:07 < zyp> jadew, I'm not sure my 50/1.8 is better than my 17-55/2.8
2016-11-16T06:33:13 < jadew> LeelooMinai, for a scope you wouldn't want any extra lens ideally
2016-11-16T06:33:27 < zyp> of course it was less than a tenth of the price, but still
2016-11-16T06:33:58 < jadew> 17-55/2.8 is not the standard one, is it?
2016-11-16T06:34:04 < zyp> no
2016-11-16T06:34:07 < jadew> the F figure is rather low
2016-11-16T06:34:12 < zyp> that's 18-55/3.5-5.6
2016-11-16T06:34:16 < jadew> got it
2016-11-16T06:34:41 < jadew> well, you get what you pay for, I'm sure L lens are almost as good as my cheap primes
2016-11-16T06:34:50 < zyp> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/425812-USA/Canon_1242B002AA_EF_S_17_55mm_f_2_8_IS.html
2016-11-16T06:35:21 < jadew> pricey
2016-11-16T06:35:28 < jadew> but nice
2016-11-16T06:35:39 < zyp> I think it's cheaper now than when I bought it
2016-11-16T06:35:49 < zyp> but idk about exchange rates
2016-11-16T06:36:46 < zyp> I remember I paid around 5500 NOK for it, which would be $650 with the current exchange rate
2016-11-16T06:37:28 < zyp> but I bought it in japan, and the exchange rate at the time would probably have made it $1100 or something
2016-11-16T06:38:24 < zyp> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/680103-USA/Canon_2751B002_EF_70_200mm_f_2_8L_IS.html <- I also have the older version of this
2016-11-16T06:38:31 < englishman> i think my zoom was like $1k
2016-11-16T06:38:43 < englishman> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1001009-REG/sony_sel1670z_16_70mm_f_4_za_lens.html
2016-11-16T06:39:11 < englishman> nice cannon
2016-11-16T06:39:14 < zyp> which I also bought in japan, found it at a secondhand store for fairly cheap
2016-11-16T06:41:27 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/XJfyF.JPG <- more macro shenanigans
2016-11-16T06:42:05 < englishman> paste on tag-connect :p
2016-11-16T06:42:18 < zyp> blame dongs :p
2016-11-16T06:42:33 < englishman> my macro is only 30mm
2016-11-16T06:42:36 < englishman> so no chance
2016-11-16T06:44:08 < zyp> doesn't really matter much if there's paste on the TC pads, I think it was a HASL prototype anyway so it's not like it ruined the nice ENIG surface
2016-11-16T06:45:21 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/QYhd6.JPG balls
2016-11-16T06:45:42 < englishman> for bga do you paste as well
2016-11-16T06:45:48 < englishman> or just use solder on the bga balls
2016-11-16T06:46:09 < zyp> paste
2016-11-16T06:47:17 < englishman> so the chip comes with solder balls but not enough solder
2016-11-16T06:47:35 < zyp> you might get away without, but I'm not sure there's flux in the balls so you should probably flux the board if not using paste with flux
2016-11-16T06:48:15 < englishman> ah
2016-11-16T06:48:23 < zyp> and that just sounds like an extra hassle, so I guess it's easier to just use the same process for everything
2016-11-16T06:50:33 < jadew> http://188.27.94.149/stuff/IMG_2384.JPG
2016-11-16T06:50:47 < zyp> when you're stenciling, it's not like you save anything by not pasting the bga pads
2016-11-16T06:54:53 < englishman> microscope pic jadew ? or macro?
2016-11-16T06:55:10 < zyp> that looks like macro
2016-11-16T06:55:15 < jadew> macro
2016-11-16T06:55:21 < zyp> microscope pics are usually way more distorted
2016-11-16T06:56:02 < zyp> awful silk quality
2016-11-16T06:56:14 < englishman> nice pic
2016-11-16T06:56:32 < englishman> zyp is spoiled
2016-11-16T06:56:40 < zyp> :p
2016-11-16T06:58:30 < jadew> yeah, it's not great, but I don't mind it
2016-11-16T06:59:07 < zyp> where's that fabbed?
2016-11-16T06:59:17 < jadew> germany
2016-11-16T06:59:23 < jadew> :P
2016-11-16T06:59:26 < jadew> china of course
2016-11-16T06:59:38 < zyp> sure, but who?
2016-11-16T06:59:39 < jadew> seeedstudio
2016-11-16T06:59:44 < zyp> right
2016-11-16T07:00:05 < zyp> silk looked like seeed to me, but drills seemed a bit too well aligned :p
2016-11-16T07:01:00 < jadew> haha, it's just an optical illusion, because they're all in the ground plane
2016-11-16T07:01:32 < jadew> you're used to regular vias, which are only 50% inside the track
2016-11-16T07:03:29 < jadew> LeelooMinai: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB9tMksWgtI&t=5m34s
2016-11-16T07:04:13 < jadew> maybe it's a bit further, but you can see there that other people are having more luck with the microscope + camera combo
2016-11-16T07:04:45 < jadew> I don't even think it has to be expensive, but there's definitely something me and englishman are missing
2016-11-16T07:05:38 < jadew> probably went in for all the spilled juice
2016-11-16T07:07:00 < jadew> good one, you should leave a comment
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2016-11-16T07:09:03 < jadew> man... that macro picture I took is so much better than what I can get out of the microscope
2016-11-16T07:09:12 < jadew> I wonder if it's possible to even come close to that
2016-11-16T07:10:07 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, he is getting much better picture quality from his microscope than I can get, but I'm talking about my macro picture and my microscope
2016-11-16T07:11:56 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I think it's the camera mount
2016-11-16T07:16:04 < jadew> LeelooMinai: this is what I was getting with my first adapter: http://188.27.94.149/stuff/IMG_0849.JPG
2016-11-16T07:16:34 < jadew> that one had a lens
2016-11-16T07:16:41 < jadew> no weirdness in the middle tho
2016-11-16T07:17:05 < jadew> oh, through the eyepiece you get much better photos
2016-11-16T07:18:47 < jadew> through the eyepiece: http://188.27.94.149/stuff/IMG_0874.JPG
2016-11-16T07:20:14 < jadew> also through the eyepiece: http://188.27.94.149/stuff/IMG_0897.JPG
2016-11-16T07:21:06 < jadew> (that's the tip of seringe needle that I reshaped)
2016-11-16T07:22:04 < jadew> they should work on usb2.0 too
2016-11-16T07:22:13 < jadew> just slower
2016-11-16T07:24:58 < jadew> yeah, that's what I'd like too
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2016-11-16T07:34:38 < stvn> Steffanx welcome back to stm32
2016-11-16T07:36:30 < ohsix> lul that meetup was kewl
2016-11-16T07:36:42 < ohsix> i mapped part of malawi
2016-11-16T07:37:58 < ohsix> saying you were mapping part of africa makes you a bit of a badass, even if it was just with drawing a bunch of lines
2016-11-16T07:38:28 < stvn> welcome ohsix 
2016-11-16T07:38:29 < ohsix> people have no idea, so they'll read majestic things into it
2016-11-16T07:38:31 < ohsix> hi
2016-11-16T07:42:00 < stvn> i have a clean set
2016-11-16T07:51:17 < ohsix> of?
2016-11-16T07:51:22 < ohsix> ducks?
2016-11-16T07:51:52 < stvn> sure
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2016-11-16T07:58:35 < upgrdman> http://www.jeremyriad.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/gay-pylons.gif
2016-11-16T08:03:56 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/tbQ076U.gifv
2016-11-16T08:11:59 < stvn> kool
2016-11-16T08:12:51 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7kTRWW1jxw&feature=youtu.be
2016-11-16T08:12:56 < stvn> kool
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2016-11-16T08:13:16 < ohsix> got your keyboard working overtime stvn 
2016-11-16T08:14:10 < ohsix> upgrdman: wat's the point of the gifv, that guys' head?
2016-11-16T08:14:40 < upgrdman> ohsix, i think its a sawing competetion
2016-11-16T08:14:46 < upgrdman> TIL those exist
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2016-11-16T08:20:35 < ohsix> upgrdman: oh, yea they do
2016-11-16T08:20:49 < ohsix> before tnn was spike they'd have hot saw competitions and stuff on there too
2016-11-16T08:21:06 < ohsix> in retrospect it is bullshit btu i watched them a few times :c
2016-11-16T08:21:47 < ohsix> it's one of those 'sports' where only a split second difference in timing means you win or lose, not huge amounts of skill or elaborate preparation
2016-11-16T08:21:52 < ohsix> BOOoo
2016-11-16T08:22:23 < ohsix> in that gifv the only skill part is pressing the button with your left hand without vomiting
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2016-11-16T08:27:55 < upgrdman> what game is this  https://gfycat.com/PlumpEsteemedDogwoodclubgall
2016-11-16T08:28:01 < ohsix> i'm about to solicit advice on car repair, or take it to a quarry and burn it
2016-11-16T08:28:15 < ohsix> overwatch
2016-11-16T08:28:36 < ohsix> 's in the tag
2016-11-16T08:29:00 < ohsix> you don't need to be told how a saw works, do you
2016-11-16T08:29:23 < ohsix> there _are_ hole saws, those were not them
2016-11-16T08:30:01 < ohsix> the jews that run the government
2016-11-16T08:30:10 < upgrdman> lol
2016-11-16T08:31:19 < ohsix> tu quoque
2016-11-16T08:31:52 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
2016-11-16T08:32:11 < ohsix> what's upgrdman
2016-11-16T08:32:27 < ohsix> i made a pun about grep/ed on twitter and nobody noticed :[
2016-11-16T08:32:42 < ohsix> blah blah people didn't know where 'grep' came from, they got ed-ucated
2016-11-16T08:32:51 < ohsix> which is also a summary of what happened
2016-11-16T08:36:16 < stvn> ok
2016-11-16T08:45:01 < ohsix> too busy agh
2016-11-16T08:45:18 < ohsix> need to get car fixed, i'm trying to do too much stuff on the bike for the weather
2016-11-16T08:47:21 < stvn> ok
2016-11-16T08:47:27 < jpa-> what is too much?
2016-11-16T08:47:53 < stvn> the pain jpa- 
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2016-11-16T08:55:49 < stvn> hi LeelooMinai 
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2016-11-16T09:37:22 < ohsix> “Math is fun, it teaches you life and death information... like when you’re cold,
2016-11-16T09:37:23 < ohsix> you should go to a corner since it’s 90° there.”
2016-11-16T09:37:30 < ohsix> HURRR
2016-11-16T09:37:50 < stvn> ohsix, did you learn the equation
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2016-11-16T09:51:54 < Kliment> ohsix: "where only a split second difference in timing means you win or lose" sounds like the self-clocked WS2812B protocol
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2016-11-16T10:20:18 < ohsix> Kliment: hurr
2016-11-16T10:31:49 < upgrdman> ohsix, re: math joke, nice. i'll have to use that sometime
2016-11-16T10:42:15 < stvn> ever done meth-ematics
2016-11-16T10:42:38 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeVGZrskBoc
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2016-11-16T10:46:55 < upgrdman> R2COM, https://i.reddituploads.com/b0437949194e47c0b4e9590098629a22?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=ab105a1f78eac90de9133612cdebf6f5
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2016-11-16T10:54:06 < upgrdman> nice  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H348Q0Cs9A&feature=youtu.be
2016-11-16T11:01:59 < stvn> yeah
2016-11-16T11:02:47 < Steffanx> Stevey..
2016-11-16T11:04:13 < stvn>  STripFET™ II Power MOSFET
2016-11-16T11:04:24 < stvn> sup brother Steffanx welcome back
2016-11-16T11:07:01 < Kliment> Modern MOSFETs are terrifyingly good
2016-11-16T11:07:42 < Kliment> I used a 5x6mm DFN MOSFET in a project recently that could switch 60V at 1mohm RDSon
2016-11-16T11:07:52 < Kliment> With 4.5 on the gate too
2016-11-16T11:10:56 < ohsix> hurr, only a few months in to watching all tv via juarez scene, and cappers for some of them start seriously failing it
2016-11-16T11:11:04 < ohsix> wonder if it was one guy and he got arrested or something
2016-11-16T11:11:06 < ohsix> or died
2016-11-16T11:13:25 < ohsix> stvn: that's weird, i never thought people did meth because they love it
2016-11-16T11:13:47 < ohsix> lul youtube is suggesting a video from oprah about fergie on the side of that video
2016-11-16T11:13:54 < ohsix> meth filter bubble
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2016-11-16T11:17:00 < ohsix> upgrdman: any plans for more youtub content?
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2016-11-16T11:22:18 < ohsix> upgrdman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOFws_hhZs8 this little series of vidyas is neat
2016-11-16T11:22:49 < ohsix> i gotta think of a silly machine learning thing to do, people are really nuts for it
2016-11-16T11:23:30 < ohsix> 'evolving' robot thingies aren't new, but that guys' code is available as a processing sketch, and he goes through it a little so lay person could follow along
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2016-11-16T11:29:20 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/798788045205999616
2016-11-16T11:30:54 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya. im ~done porting my telemetry program to opengl and will do another video pimping it
2016-11-16T11:31:05 < upgrdman> then i plan to cover PID control loop tuning
2016-11-16T11:31:19 < upgrdman> and maybe so some intro to opengl/java shit
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2016-11-16T11:33:51 < upgrdman> i also have this weird urge to make a centipede-like robot
2016-11-16T11:34:07 < ohsix> cool
2016-11-16T11:34:10 < ohsix> hm
2016-11-16T11:34:13 < upgrdman> but i'll need to relearn Blender, and learn a bit of python, so i can sim it before i make it
2016-11-16T11:34:27 < ohsix> it would be kind of dum, but evo pid tuning would be an easy fitness function
2016-11-16T11:34:30 < upgrdman> and i might buy some 3d dicker so i can make it
2016-11-16T11:34:30 < ohsix> ooh
2016-11-16T11:34:39 < ohsix> if you do some blender record it huhu
2016-11-16T11:34:47 < upgrdman> k
2016-11-16T11:34:58 < ohsix> i know there are already videos, i just haven't gotten to it
2016-11-16T11:35:02 < ohsix> and i'll watch yours :D
2016-11-16T11:35:10 < upgrdman> cool
2016-11-16T11:35:30 < Fleck> http://imgur.com/a/uj4cl <<< anyone knows a company name?
2016-11-16T11:36:00 < ohsix> Fleck: that logo is weird D:
2016-11-16T11:36:11 < upgrdman> ya. never seen it
2016-11-16T11:36:13 < ohsix> upgrdman: i can 3d print stuff for you, to a point
2016-11-16T11:36:15 < Fleck> china...
2016-11-16T11:36:35 < ohsix> if you want to see how some small parts (<hr) printing time turn out
2016-11-16T11:36:40 < upgrdman> ohsix, well it could make a nice vid series anyway. so i might buy a printer just for the lulz
2016-11-16T11:36:51 < ohsix> i've printed a bunch of different types of proof parts to check out the plastics and junk
2016-11-16T11:36:54 < ohsix> sure
2016-11-16T11:37:02 < upgrdman> not sure if i wanna spend like $10k for something nice, or like $400 for a toy
2016-11-16T11:37:06 < ohsix> it's kind of novel how bad it is
2016-11-16T11:37:09 < ohsix> 'bad'
2016-11-16T11:37:24 < ohsix> you're still building stuff in a day that never existed before as a solid thing
2016-11-16T11:38:08 < ohsix> but yar i've been keeping notes about parts i plan to print that show off/prove different things about print process and the plastics
2016-11-16T11:38:28 < upgrdman> are you just printing meshs you find online?
2016-11-16T11:38:36 < upgrdman> or are you making them in some program
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2016-11-16T11:38:37 < ohsix> nope, modellign them in solvespace
2016-11-16T11:38:42 < upgrdman> nice
2016-11-16T11:38:53 < ohsix> it takes like zero seconds to do a bunch of interesting type parts hehe
2016-11-16T11:39:12 < ohsix> i haven't even saved the models half the time
2016-11-16T11:39:20 < ohsix> just enter them again
2016-11-16T11:39:52 < ohsix> Fleck: it is probably an h
2016-11-16T11:40:30 < ohsix> other than that, dunno; someone should put a sample library of logos on the web that google image search can chew on
2016-11-16T11:42:32 < upgrdman> hmm if i make a centipede, i'll have to crap an arduino AND a pi on it, for max ad revenue
2016-11-16T11:42:45 < upgrdman> that could be both annoying and hilariously fun
2016-11-16T11:42:48 < Kliment> upgrdman: I have an idea
2016-11-16T11:42:58 < Kliment> upgrdman: Attach a catapult to it
2016-11-16T11:43:02 < ohsix> Fleck: what was it in?
2016-11-16T11:43:17 < ohsix> upgrdman: hurr i have enough servos to make a snake robot
2016-11-16T11:43:18 < upgrdman> Kliment, like a scorpion?
2016-11-16T11:43:21 < Kliment> upgrdman: And you can put a bunch of pis around it and have it shoot arduino mini pros at it
2016-11-16T11:43:25 < ohsix> could print slip on snake segments
2016-11-16T11:43:26 < Fleck> ohsix: touch digitizer
2016-11-16T11:43:27 < upgrdman> lol
2016-11-16T11:43:35 < Kliment> at them*
2016-11-16T11:44:10 < Kliment> ohsix: Neat. I prefer openscad myself but I should check out solvespace
2016-11-16T11:46:17 < ohsix> Fleck: qfn?
2016-11-16T11:46:27 < ohsix> Kliment: yea i've been meaning to get to openscad
2016-11-16T11:46:42 < Kliment> ohsix: Want to trade experience when you do?
2016-11-16T11:46:49 < Fleck> ohsix: yes
2016-11-16T11:46:54 < Kliment> ohsix: I occasionally teach openscad workshops
2016-11-16T11:50:28 < ohsix> Kliment: sure, i've been doing that with the guy that created solvespace, he's been using it personally so long he doesn't know what new users do
2016-11-16T11:51:08 < ohsix> there are probably youtube videos of that, i've played with the example parts some
2016-11-16T11:57:56 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/Bex_Sharp/status/798788656827744256
2016-11-16T12:08:07 < ohsix> hm, cypress released some of broadcoms wifi datasheets after acquisition
2016-11-16T12:08:41 < ohsix> http://www.cypress.com/search/all?f[0]=meta_type%3Atechnical_documents&f[1]=resource_meta_type%3A575&f[2]=field_related_products%3A110101
2016-11-16T12:08:47 < ohsix> lots
2016-11-16T12:12:29 < ohsix> http://linux-sunxi.org/Nintendo_NES_Classic_Edition
2016-11-16T12:15:45 < ohsix> omg the nes classic doesn't use nintendo trilobe screws
2016-11-16T12:18:55 < karlp> Fleck: try perusing https://www.elnec.com/en/support/ic-logos/?method=logo
2016-11-16T12:25:58 < ohsix> it's not on there
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2016-11-16T12:33:09 < Fleck> karlp: thanks, but I already did :)
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2016-11-16T12:55:56 < Steffanx> Those datasheets still miss crucial information ohsix.
2016-11-16T12:56:21 < ohsix> shrug
2016-11-16T12:56:29 < ohsix> marcan probably didn't read them
2016-11-16T12:57:42 < ohsix> i didn't either, muhaaouhah
2016-11-16T12:57:54 < ohsix> he retweeted someone else embarassing themselves over systemd so bluh
2016-11-16T12:58:05 < ohsix> was XTREME VETTING him for a follow after a pal retweeted something
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2016-11-16T13:20:42 < ohsix> huh neat the code for the controller interface in the nes classic is in the oss drop
2016-11-16T13:21:00 < ohsix> MODULE_AUTHOR("Christophe Aguettaz <christophe.aguettaz@nerd.nintendo.com>");
2016-11-16T13:21:01 < ohsix> MODULE_DESCRIPTION("Nintendo Clover/Wii Classic/Wii Pro controllers on I2C");
2016-11-16T13:21:40 < ohsix> huh when did nintendo buy mobiclip
2016-11-16T13:22:03 < ohsix> wuh 2012
2016-11-16T13:22:31 < ohsix> https://www.codingame.com/training/expert/nintendo-sponsored-contest
2016-11-16T13:27:27 < ohsix> Steffanx: which pdf did you look at that was missing stuff?
2016-11-16T13:27:33 < ohsix> there's so many, don't know where to poke
2016-11-16T13:28:45 < Steffanx> It seems to me that pretty important info like register definitions/erratas etc. are still missing.
2016-11-16T13:29:31 < ohsix> hm
2016-11-16T13:30:02 < ohsix> ya i don't think the dude that mentioned this actually looked before he told othe rpeople either, lul
2016-11-16T13:30:34 < ohsix> http://www.cypress.com/file/297991/download this looks fairly complete
2016-11-16T13:30:38 < ohsix> one of the sdio wifi chips
2016-11-16T13:31:11 < Steffanx> but that looks like a cypress chip. It's not a bmc*
2016-11-16T13:31:40 < Steffanx> MCM
2016-11-16T13:31:50 < ohsix> it was a broadcom part
2016-11-16T13:31:51 < Steffanx> lol, hard to type BCM properly.
2016-11-16T13:32:05 < ohsix> check page 2
2016-11-16T13:32:15 < Steffanx> oh ok, i didnt see that.
2016-11-16T13:32:28 < Steffanx> I only opened BCM* datasheets ;)
2016-11-16T13:32:39 < ohsix> it's weird seeing cypress call old broadcom stuff 'cypress's'
2016-11-16T13:32:49 < ohsix> like hndrte
2016-11-16T13:33:09 < ohsix> ya that link had the broadcom part name in it
2016-11-16T13:33:19 < ohsix> http://www.cypress.com/documentation/datasheets/cyw43362-single-chip-ieee-80211tm-bgn-macbasebandradio-sdio?source=search&cat=technical_documents
2016-11-16T13:33:49 < ohsix> internet of toots
2016-11-16T13:33:53 < ohsix> fartware
2016-11-16T13:34:15 < ohsix> i actually don't even know if broadcom WERE stingy with the iot part docs
2016-11-16T13:35:06 < ohsix> they came up with some other part numbers to capitalize on being in millions of things and big sales, but the actual sales didn't match what they did in cellphones and stuff -> spin off company
2016-11-16T13:35:11 < Kliment> ohsix: It works about as well as "oracle solaris"
2016-11-16T13:36:21 < ohsix> well, it's internal names for junk that in some cases broadcom still uses, it's just weird to call it cypress technology, even though they bought it and own at least part of it now
2016-11-16T13:36:37 < Lux> ohsix: i actually got a board here with that broadcom chip
2016-11-16T13:36:50 < Lux> but it's slow with the mainline kernel driver
2016-11-16T13:36:55 < Lux> kinda sucks
2016-11-16T13:36:56 < ohsix> most acquisitions, like TI of burr brown and stuff, they keep the documentation pretty original
2016-11-16T13:37:12 < ohsix> Lux: nice
2016-11-16T13:37:19 < ohsix> it's probably just flat out slow huhu
2016-11-16T13:37:50 < Lux> i get like 15mbit udp on it
2016-11-16T13:38:00 < Kliment> Microchip has been buying stuff left and right, and while they keep the datasheets the same a lot of the supporting documentation, forums, etc, tend to get lost
2016-11-16T13:38:56 < Lux> but there is a somewhat more detailed broadcom datasheet online for the bcm43362
2016-11-16T13:39:34 < Lux> https://www.google.at/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0ahUKEwiJtaaomK3QAhXHthQKHcrgDqcQFggpMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdirac.epucfe.eu%2Fprojets%2Fwakka.php%3Fwiki%3DP15AB13%2Fdownload%26file%3DMMP43362-DS101-R.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFTAWV26ZcLU6F-uSN1G95iIvLu4Q&sig2=NVrh2SR0faCWwe30FL4osg
2016-11-16T13:39:53 < ohsix> guh i gotta get to sleep
2016-11-16T13:39:58 < Lux> not really useful, but it's something
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2016-11-16T14:15:54 < karlp> is there any info available on things like HSI drift over time?
2016-11-16T14:16:23 < karlp> the data sheet just says "accuracy: +-1%"
2016-11-16T14:28:27 < decimad> that's also a realistic boundary, it is not stable at all
2016-11-16T14:29:19 < decimad> I had it drift by 0.1% in about 100 ms
2016-11-16T14:30:37 < decimad> ie. it was basically unusable to synchronize logical clocks without ridiculous lowpassing
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2016-11-16T15:10:21 < karlp> decimad: what were you synchronising?
2016-11-16T15:10:29 < karlp> how did you measure that drift?
2016-11-16T15:10:39 < decimad> the hardware ptp counters
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2016-11-16T15:10:59 < karlp> can you use them without ethernet?
2016-11-16T15:11:01 < decimad> I measured the drift by looking at the "jitter" of the counter differences
2016-11-16T15:11:13 < karlp> or were you using ptp?
2016-11-16T15:11:21 < decimad> I was using ptp
2016-11-16T15:11:45 < karlp> so, you can't use ptp to keep a local clock in sync if the local clock is driven by hsi? is that what you're saying?
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2016-11-16T15:11:54 < karlp> how close were you trying to get?
2016-11-16T15:12:08 < karlp> I'd be ok with ~200uSecs over a shortish period.
2016-11-16T15:12:11 < decimad> You can, but not in the below 2 digit microsec range
2016-11-16T15:12:31 < decimad> maybe better 3 digit
2016-11-16T15:12:58 < karlp> well, I'm not going to be using ethernet anyway, so it's going to be a bit of a game to see what we can get at all :)
2016-11-16T15:13:10 < zyp> well, duh, isn't HSI resolution like 25µs?
2016-11-16T15:13:45 < decimad> I assumed there was a pll behind the hsi to get usable frequencies
2016-11-16T15:13:47 < karlp> pll from hsi is how much more stable though?
2016-11-16T15:14:04 < decimad> My results where 168mhz pll from hsi
2016-11-16T15:14:18 < zyp> oh, wait
2016-11-16T15:14:24 < zyp> I was thinking LSI, I'm dumb
2016-11-16T15:15:04 < karlp> hrm, I need to figure out how to get the LA to collect enough timing to give me meaningful numbers on this I think.
2016-11-16T15:15:30 < karlp> I wonder if sigrok has a decoder that can just magically collect jitter figures or something
2016-11-16T15:15:55 < decimad> Okay, so I ended up using a generated 10mhz clock from the phy (switching to it only after smi init) and got to +-20ns synch on stable temperatures, and ~2 usec spikes when touching the osc
2016-11-16T15:16:39 < decimad> I will try out how good temp compensated oscs are in the next visit of the circuit
2016-11-16T15:17:21 < decimad> Just as an illustration how bad hsi really is for such purposes ;)
2016-11-16T15:18:58 < decimad> And it cost me basically a day since I didn't get the idea to put the clock on a pin to evaluate it... thought my software was bad, although it ran well on stm32f4 with crystal (I moved to a m7)
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2016-11-16T15:26:09 < decimad> karlp: can't you look at the spectrum around the base wave of the clock?
2016-11-16T15:27:28 < decimad> you could use the ptp clock output as well, it can output at a meaningful range and is in phase with the system lock
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2016-11-16T16:13:43 < dongs> zyp, you think NFC bits in phones have a saw filter before the antenna to filter anything but 13.5mhz?
2016-11-16T16:14:23 < zyp> idk
2016-11-16T16:15:03 < dongs> < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/XJfyF.JPG <- more macro shenanigans
2016-11-16T16:15:07 < dongs> that STM looks cratered
2016-11-16T16:15:16 < dongs> did it explode?
2016-11-16T16:15:31 < zyp> no, that's just flux residue
2016-11-16T16:16:50 < dongs> fuck tokyo so much
2016-11-16T16:16:55 < zyp> haha
2016-11-16T16:16:58 < dongs> im sure it makes sense in some insane jap head
2016-11-16T16:17:05 < dongs> the need to require TWO tickets to get on a train
2016-11-16T16:17:12 < dongs> a .. ticket and a .. fare ticket
2016-11-16T16:17:15 < dongs> because ... ???
2016-11-16T16:17:20 < zyp> place/fare
2016-11-16T16:17:21 < zyp> hehe
2016-11-16T16:17:24 < dongs> doesnt matter
2016-11-16T16:17:36 < dongs> what possible reason there needs to be for such
2016-11-16T16:18:45 < zyp> fare is calculated based solely on where you enter ticket gate and where you leave, seat ticket is only required for shit where specific seats/trains costs extra
2016-11-16T16:18:50 < zyp> i.e. express shit or gren car
2016-11-16T16:19:10 < dongs> sounds liek youve been dicking with that shit longer than I have
2016-11-16T16:19:18 < dongs> i just rage everytime i come here
2016-11-16T16:19:30 < englishman> in 1st world countries its still the same ticket
2016-11-16T16:19:31 < dongs> earlier todayt took wrong loop of yamanoteshitline 
2016-11-16T16:19:31 < englishman> no?
2016-11-16T16:19:53 < dongs> because nowhere does it fucking say all the inbetween statiosn but just start and end
2016-11-16T16:19:54 < zyp> you can get place+fare on the same ticket if you buy it combined
2016-11-16T16:20:06 < dongs> somehow im supposed to ~KNOW~ that tokyo->ueno stops at station x
2016-11-16T16:20:06 < zyp> haha
2016-11-16T16:20:20 < englishman> theres an app for that
2016-11-16T16:20:20 < dongs> insstaed of toko->wahtever the fuck the other end of htat line is 
2016-11-16T16:20:27 < dongs> yeah fuck off, what happened to just having SIGNS
2016-11-16T16:20:30 < dongs> that people can read
2016-11-16T16:21:03 < zyp> there's no ends either, what the signs direct you towards vary depending on where you are :D
2016-11-16T16:21:24 < dongs> nah, theres both directions from everyt station
2016-11-16T16:21:35 < dongs> the "end" is whatever teh fuck tehy decided to call teh end
2016-11-16T16:21:36 < zyp> yes, but they vary
2016-11-16T16:21:40 < dongs> like isaid, "tokyo->ueno" being one of htem
2016-11-16T16:22:05 < dongs> but there's 20 shits in beween and youre supposed to just know that going to faggottown,jp means you have to take that direction and not the other
2016-11-16T16:22:18 < dongs> (you can get there by "other" direcgtion,, it will just take 2x as long
2016-11-16T16:22:20 < dongs> as it has to go around
2016-11-16T16:23:27 < dongs> https://i.imgur.com/bRxx7nP.jpg
2016-11-16T16:23:30 < zyp> I think I've got most of it memorized
2016-11-16T16:23:37 < BrainDamage> how's the pedestrian traffic? do you have to plow your way trough?
2016-11-16T16:23:43 < dongs> nah
2016-11-16T16:24:27 < zyp> I don't remember all the shit on the south end since I haven't been there much, but I know where most of the shit west/north/east is
2016-11-16T16:24:27 < dongs> i was going tokyo->shibyya during kinda 1800 or so time adn yeah there was a fair bit of people and some pushing intrains but nothing too terrible
2016-11-16T16:24:41 < dongs> i dont even know where north is
2016-11-16T16:24:46 < dongs> like fucking google maps goes "WALK NORTH"
2016-11-16T16:24:48 < dongs> REALLY, FUCKER?
2016-11-16T16:25:01 < zyp> haha
2016-11-16T16:25:02 < dongs> they only show the compass when you're NOT in walk/navigation mode
2016-11-16T16:25:16 < dongs> so to actually see wehre the fuck north is, you ahve to fucking exit of the nav
2016-11-16T16:25:39 < zyp> you went tokyo-shibuya on yamanote?
2016-11-16T16:26:03 < dongs> the fuck is wrong with that
2016-11-16T16:26:08 < zyp> that sounds about halfway, so it shouldn't matter much which direction you go
2016-11-16T16:26:20 < dongs> right.
2016-11-16T16:26:29 < dongs> one was shorter tho.
2016-11-16T16:26:31 < zyp> chuo straight across would probably be faster, but idk
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2016-11-16T16:26:51 < zyp> yeah, but the difference is probably less than time spent figuring out which is faster
2016-11-16T16:27:01 < dongs> thats highly likely
2016-11-16T16:27:19 < dongs> but for a country that claims their trains are awesome, this is a complete fucking clusterfuck
2016-11-16T16:27:23 < englishman> did you catch any pokemon
2016-11-16T16:28:25 < dongs> no
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2016-11-16T16:32:59 < zyp> dongs, idk, I'm not having much problems navigating by trains
2016-11-16T16:33:12 < zyp> certainly easier than driving in tokyo
2016-11-16T16:33:26 < dongs> youreprobably right
2016-11-16T16:33:34 < zyp> yeah, I've tried both
2016-11-16T16:33:57 < dongs> i'll stick to driving around my shithole in the middle of nowehre
2016-11-16T16:34:01 < dongs> much less stress
2016-11-16T16:34:56 < dongs> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/315/AYA0000CE2-973095.pdf retweeting
2016-11-16T16:35:28 < zyp> just navigating from a rental shop to the nearest highway entrance isn't too hard, fun part is when you come back and have to find a gas station before you return the car
2016-11-16T16:35:56 < dongs> heh
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2016-11-16T16:38:14 < englishman> dono, 7/11s in swarje were the same as in north america
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2016-11-16T17:51:22 < aandrew> how was tokyo dongs?
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2016-11-16T18:04:58 < Steffanx> lol is that pokemon go still a thing englishman?
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2016-11-16T19:23:32 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1ed_1479312648
2016-11-16T19:37:36 < karlp> decimad: yeah wow, not even a chance of keeping things in sync on hsi :)
2016-11-16T19:37:43 < karlp> had to go relearn too much stuff
2016-11-16T19:37:59 < decimad> karlp: You could have opted to believe me :P
2016-11-16T19:38:15 < decimad> but yeah, seeing for yourself is valuable, just kidding
2016-11-16T19:38:23 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=35f_1479308423
2016-11-16T19:38:25 < karlp> I did, but wasn'ts ure how bad it was going to be :)
2016-11-16T19:38:36 < karlp> I knew I didn't need as good as you did, 
2016-11-16T19:39:03 < karlp> just doing it on paper still. 1% +- on HSI means they can be 100ms apart after only 5seconds.
2016-11-16T19:39:33 < karlp> so even doing magic packet syncing is just wildly impossible to keep at <200usecs in any reasonable spacing of syncs
2016-11-16T19:39:34 < decimad> if it were a constant drift, that would be manageable
2016-11-16T19:39:57 < karlp> yeah, I don't really want to get into determining them.
2016-11-16T19:40:02 < karlp> so they're not even stably inaccurate?
2016-11-16T19:40:09 < decimad> that's the problem
2016-11-16T19:40:14 < karlp> they're wandering all over the place within the +-1%?
2016-11-16T19:40:17 < decimad> yes
2016-11-16T19:40:23 < karlp> bah :)
2016-11-16T19:40:35 < Laurenceb> do you have some graphs of this?
2016-11-16T19:40:36 < karlp> so.... LSE or HSE....
2016-11-16T19:41:06 < karlp> HSE is going to be easier I guess, LSE might give me more in the future, like getting an rtc 
2016-11-16T19:41:26 < karlp> LSE I have to use it to measure HSI and calibrate at some interval I guess.
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2016-11-16T19:41:59 < decimad> you'd have to calibrate like a thousand times per second or something at least^^
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2016-11-16T19:44:14 < karlp> is using LSE to calibrate HSI? yeah, I guess it would need too much.
2016-11-16T19:44:22 < karlp> damn. this is a bit of a downer.
2016-11-16T19:45:03 < decimad> is a crystal plus two caps too large/too big of a budget?
2016-11-16T19:45:39 < karlp> no, just looking at adding a feature in software to an existing product :)
2016-11-16T19:46:13 < karlp> we were really hoping we could implement a ghetto PTP or something on serial.
2016-11-16T19:46:17 < karlp> but... not looking good :)
2016-11-16T19:46:21 < decimad> tough job, yeah
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2016-11-16T20:30:49 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/ITmzgHd.jpg
2016-11-16T20:30:52 < englishman> my macro is inferior
2016-11-16T20:34:28 < qyx> whats that thing
2016-11-16T20:35:11 < qyx> looks like a half smashed lizard
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2016-11-16T20:39:18 < Steffanx> cat
2016-11-16T20:42:32 < englishman> doge http://i.imgur.com/ucgO5oD.gifv
2016-11-16T20:43:30 < Steffanx> Cat.
2016-11-16T20:44:06 < englishman> good everning steffans
2016-11-16T20:45:53 < Steffanx> Hello englishman. Got some stroopwafels yet?
2016-11-16T20:49:30 < englishman> negatory :'(
2016-11-16T20:51:22 < Steffanx> awh
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2016-11-16T21:28:34 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereIsAssange/
2016-11-16T21:28:37 < Laurenceb> moar dramaz
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2016-11-16T21:46:45 < jadew> Laurenceb, what's short version?
2016-11-16T21:57:38 < Steffanx> Short version: dont give a damn.
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2016-11-16T23:24:23 < kakimir> deadz?
2016-11-16T23:35:28 < Steffanx> Very.
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2016-11-16T23:50:42 < kakimir> Laurenceb: britt chicks please
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2016-11-17T00:17:53 < karlp> zyp: hey, c++11 q, I've got a bunch of crap like this in a library I'm trying to update: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/483434/93346491/
2016-11-17T00:18:26 < karlp> and instead of having this if(debug) littered all over th place, I was thinking of having a member function called "debug(...)" sort of thing,
2016-11-17T00:18:46 < karlp> and provide a default implementation of it that just relays through to this "serial.printf"
2016-11-17T00:19:04 < karlp> is there a c++11 way of doign it nicely? or do I have to use old school varargs?
2016-11-17T00:19:44 < karlp>  I just want to pass the original args through don't need to unpack them myself.  (no intention of implementing printf)
2016-11-17T00:21:06 < karlp> http://www.stroustrup.com/C++11FAQ.html#variadic-templates is going a little over my head
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2016-11-17T00:25:54 < KolK> Hi! I'm looking for example implementation of USB CDC ECM or NCM device. 
2016-11-17T00:26:17 < KolK> do you know something?
2016-11-17T00:43:22 < karlp> LeelooMinai: yeah, I jsut got to https://paste.fedoraproject.org/483448/36195147/
2016-11-17T00:43:41 < karlp> but the thing I was copying used a &, and yeah, I'm getting a pointer mangle, will remove a & and try again :)
2016-11-17T00:44:21 < KreAture_Zzz> ohsix Yes the ov7670 docs are horrid and the first "appnote" is just a list of parameters
2016-11-17T00:44:35 < KreAture_Zzz> ohsix but there is a second appnote that is quite good and actually mentions a lot of why one does shit
2016-11-17T00:44:55 < karlp> nope, that did the right thing in this case :)
2016-11-17T00:45:01 < KreAture_Zzz> ohsix for me the worst thing is the last doc 1.4 which sais that the enable/disable pin actually resets all operations
2016-11-17T00:45:10 < karlp> sweet.  now I just need to declare a type for a compatible function...
2016-11-17T00:45:14 < KreAture_Zzz> ohsix I wanted a way to just "mute" it on the databus so I could talk to my sdram hehe
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2016-11-17T00:48:01 < karlp> it's just somethign I copied from the examples.  it was obviously incorrect :)
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2016-11-17T00:53:04 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37563647
2016-11-17T00:53:06 < Laurenceb_> add more features to its premium 4chan Pass scheme. It currently charges $15 (£12) a year
2016-11-17T00:53:10 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2016-11-17T00:54:29 < Laurenceb_> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/d/d0/4chan_gold.png
2016-11-17T00:56:37 < Laurenceb_> $current_year makes memes real
2016-11-17T00:56:59 < karlp> LeelooMinai: no, I've always liked some aspects of c++, but don't have any projects that justify it.
2016-11-17T00:57:05 < karlp> currently working on some arduino code though...
2016-11-17T01:16:05 < decimad> LeelooMinai: that's a stupid explanation
2016-11-17T01:16:18 < decimad> they appear where you want to do that, so it's not brainless
2016-11-17T01:17:36 < decimad> move appears where you explicitly want to move something
2016-11-17T01:19:03 < decimad> then he's just thinking badly about how to transport it
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2016-11-17T01:19:36 < decimad> also those experts have a tendency to want to sound extra-smart
2016-11-17T01:20:03 < decimad> I'm not saying he's no expert.
2016-11-17T01:22:29 < decimad> well, in this case that's his fault, not c++'s
2016-11-17T01:28:37 < decimad> yeah, but it is unclear only if you're not putting it into a context
2016-11-17T01:29:15 < decimad> a = std::move(foo); that expression cannot possibly mean that move actually moves the object right?
2016-11-17T01:29:33 < decimad> but what happens is that it forces the move assignment operator
2016-11-17T01:29:55 < decimad> likewise with call arguments
2016-11-17T01:31:11 < decimad> I find std::move( foo ) better than std::to_rvalue_ref( foo ), it's about what you want to accomplish, not how you're accomplishing it in my brain^^
2016-11-17T01:31:53 < decimad> no, why?
2016-11-17T01:32:43 < decimad> no, but after you got it, you somewhen start to not think about those anymore in that context, you think about moving and forwarding
2016-11-17T01:34:22 < decimad> c++17 standard reworks the naming on those iirc
2016-11-17T01:35:13 < decimad> but I think it only adds a grvalue or something^^
2016-11-17T01:39:31 < decimad> Didn't come up with the motivation yet to have a deeper look. Usually only looking for the seller-features ;) like "auto" template arguments in that case
2016-11-17T01:41:23 < decimad> I have no c++17 compiler, so I'm not using it
2016-11-17T01:41:48 < decimad> And really, if you want to understand all c++, then you're into a great time investment
2016-11-17T01:42:12 < decimad> Ie. becoming a language-lawyer
2016-11-17T01:43:04 < decimad> It all had it's reasons, trust me :Ü
2016-11-17T01:43:45 < decimad> they needed C compatibility, and then they needed C++ backwards compatibility, that's basically the history
2016-11-17T01:44:37 < decimad> do you have an existing millions of loc to manage?
2016-11-17T01:45:43 < decimad> well, that compatibility triggered a lot of decisions that cannot be undone anymore
2016-11-17T01:45:57 < decimad> it's not as if you could strip the c part now
2016-11-17T01:47:04 < decimad> I think it would only partition the audience and create even more problems
2016-11-17T01:47:23 < decimad> there's D already for a fresh start^^
2016-11-17T01:48:15 < decimad> and that doesn't really skyrocket either...
2016-11-17T01:50:57 < decimad> It has cool stuff, but you need a broad set of cool libraries to build upon and people need to know other people will jump aboard to have the feeling their time learning it is not wasted
2016-11-17T01:51:19 < decimad> It's not so easy...
2016-11-17T01:51:48 < decimad> But recently a gazillion new languages were invented... what about rust? maybe that's for you?
2016-11-17T01:52:20 < decimad> On #kicad someone is playing with rust on a mcu
2016-11-17T01:53:49 < decimad> See? :)
2016-11-17T01:54:25 < decimad> I think Ada on mcu would stick out!
2016-11-17T01:54:49 < decimad> Although fortran would be cool too
2016-11-17T01:55:55 < decimad> Anyways, gonna take a nap, good luck with meyers! I remember it was kind-of entertaining at least
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2016-11-17T02:06:21 < stvn> good morning englishman 
2016-11-17T02:08:57 < englishman> uʌʇs ƃuᴉuǝʌǝ pooƃ
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2016-11-17T02:25:36 < englishman> https://i.sli.mg/PSmGw7.jpg
2016-11-17T02:34:30 < Thorn> why are you returning your cat :/
2016-11-17T02:36:22 < Thorn> I am relieved
2016-11-17T02:39:12 < Thorn> some russian whiz did some work on that iirc but the project is most likely abandoned
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2016-11-17T02:42:55 < KreAture_> englishman awsome cat! Looks like mine :)
2016-11-17T02:43:04 < KreAture_> and they do love boxes
2016-11-17T02:43:24 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/images/animals/cats/miko_sleep_01.jpg
2016-11-17T02:43:44 < KreAture_> yours seem not a mix
2016-11-17T02:43:49 < KreAture_> Mine is NFC
2016-11-17T02:44:19 < KreAture_> Miko has tassles in his ears, and he also has the reversible thumb allowing him to climb down trees face first
2016-11-17T02:44:48 < KreAture_> btw that pic is Miko immitating gGarfield
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2016-11-17T02:45:06 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/images/animals/cats/miko_strutt.jpg
2016-11-17T02:45:09 < KreAture_> here he shows his face
2016-11-17T02:45:29 < KreAture_> Notice the ears
2016-11-17T02:45:49 < KreAture_> he's quite old in that pic though
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2016-11-17T02:46:02 < KreAture_> reached 15, that was taken around 13 I think
2016-11-17T02:46:10 < KreAture_> at top he was 14lbs
2016-11-17T02:46:41 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-11-17T02:46:46 < KreAture_> yeah he used to fight a lot
2016-11-17T02:46:58 < KreAture_> usually nothing happened but he did get an ear nicked
2016-11-17T02:47:19 < KreAture_> He chased the naighbours curly terrier and it refused to go into our garden again
2016-11-17T02:47:22 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/images/animals/cats/Miko-fu4.jpg
2016-11-17T02:47:36 < KreAture_> he was big
2016-11-17T02:47:40 < KreAture_> redicolously big
2016-11-17T02:48:24 < KreAture_> That pic won first prize in a competition
2016-11-17T02:48:33 < KreAture_> This pic won first prize in another photo competition http://kreature.org/images/animals/cats/Miko-fu.jpg
2016-11-17T02:49:06 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/images/animals/cats/miko-fu3.jpg
2016-11-17T02:49:22 < KreAture_> THis one got second prize in a contest where they had a manga theme
2016-11-17T02:49:45 < KreAture_> crouching tiger, playfull cat ?
2016-11-17T02:49:46 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-17T02:50:02 < KreAture_> he was kicking up a lot of snow, I think that was why I entered this one in that compo
2016-11-17T02:50:31 < KreAture_> They had a pic of some shaolin munk running on water as the winning pic I think
2016-11-17T02:50:45 < KreAture_> long time ago
2016-11-17T02:51:08 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-17T02:51:13 < KreAture_> Miko was the opposite
2016-11-17T02:51:33 < KreAture_> a neighbour down the street had a dobberman that he let out without walking it
2016-11-17T02:51:42 < KreAture_> and it would run straight off down the street to look for my cat
2016-11-17T02:52:03 < KreAture_> One day the dog cornered the cat by our downstairs back entrance
2016-11-17T02:52:22 < KreAture_> and Miko went into his full "no shit from anyone mode"
2016-11-17T02:52:51 < KreAture_> The veterinary managed to save the dogs life, but it got blind on both eyes
2016-11-17T02:53:13 < KreAture_> had about two dozen stitches in the face and throat regions
2016-11-17T02:53:26 < KreAture_> Miko needed a claw cut as it had torn
2016-11-17T02:53:33 < KreAture_> nope
2016-11-17T02:53:51 < KreAture_> The sad thing is, after this the dog would wee on the carpet every time he picked up the leash to take it out
2016-11-17T02:53:56 < KreAture_> It refused to leave the house
2016-11-17T02:53:59 < KreAture_> so he had it put down
2016-11-17T02:54:23 < KreAture_> and claimed we had to pay for it, luckally the law was on our side and he got the bill for Mikos visit to the vet for his claw
2016-11-17T02:54:59 < KreAture_> glad for survaillance or we wouldn't have any proof though
2016-11-17T02:55:07 < KreAture_> he was a real snugglepuss
2016-11-17T02:55:12 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/images/animals/cats/miko_zzz2.jpg
2016-11-17T02:55:22 < KreAture_> That's a normal full width bed btw
2016-11-17T02:55:28 < KreAture_> 1.2 meters wide
2016-11-17T02:56:18 < KreAture_> hehe they can be playfull and suddently snap
2016-11-17T02:56:19 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-17T02:59:13 < KreAture_> omg I still have the video!
2016-11-17T02:59:14 < KreAture_> awsome
2016-11-17T02:59:17 < KreAture_> old and in avi format
2016-11-17T02:59:29 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai minbe is a NFC
2016-11-17T02:59:33 < KreAture_> Norwegian Forest Cat
2016-11-17T03:00:01 < KreAture_> They vary a lot in thickness of fur and such but the tassles in the ears and the toas are a well known telltale
2016-11-17T03:00:04 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-11-17T03:00:06 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/images/My%20cat%20Miko%20going%20nanners.avi
2016-11-17T03:00:13 < KreAture_> oldschoool little avi for you guys
2016-11-17T03:00:22 < KreAture_> nah just trying to eat me
2016-11-17T03:00:59 < KreAture_> I may have the original somewhere so I can uppload it to yt
2016-11-17T03:02:09 < KreAture_> wow that clip is corrupted or just broken
2016-11-17T03:03:08 < KreAture_> ahh just compatibility issue
2016-11-17T03:04:42 < KreAture_> you got it to play ?
2016-11-17T03:04:54 < KreAture_> when he is one of his modes he will chace ppl hehe
2016-11-17T03:05:12 < KreAture_> I think that vid is early so hes maybe a few years old tops
2016-11-17T03:05:21 < KreAture_> lol yeah not hd
2016-11-17T03:08:23 < englishman> KreAture_: cool kitty
2016-11-17T03:08:40 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/jR9pA9V.jpg
2016-11-17T03:08:48 < KreAture_> soft kitty, purr purr purr
2016-11-17T03:09:02 < englishman> when i found him he was not a happy camper http://i.imgur.com/lewDeeY.jpg
2016-11-17T03:09:19 < KreAture_> aww fuzzbutt
2016-11-17T03:09:40 < englishman> but he turned into a little douche pretty quick http://i.imgur.com/AfK05gx.jpg
2016-11-17T03:13:10 < KreAture_> oooh I found a great one
2016-11-17T03:13:13 < KreAture_> lemme uppload it
2016-11-17T03:14:27 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/images/animals/cats/miko_29jan_2002.jpg
2016-11-17T03:15:04 < KreAture_> Miko had this lovely white chest and white paws
2016-11-17T03:15:29 < KreAture_> hehe helpfull 
2016-11-17T03:17:07 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/images/animals/cats/miko_29jan_2002_2.jpg
2016-11-17T03:17:11 < KreAture_> see not scary at all
2016-11-17T03:17:49 < KreAture_> yeah
2016-11-17T03:18:03 < KreAture_> You can see though, he is definately quite furry
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2016-11-17T03:21:45 < KreAture_> ahh LeelooMinai desk for scale: http://kreature.org/images/animals/cats/miko_11jan_2002.jpg
2016-11-17T03:22:18 < KreAture_> ahh yes that is a fully genuine NFC/maincoon with probably pure ancestry
2016-11-17T03:22:30 < KreAture_> Miko was definately not 100% pure
2016-11-17T03:22:39 < KreAture_> but he was ridicolously big
2016-11-17T03:22:50 < KreAture_> somewhere I have him next to a neighbours normal housecat
2016-11-17T03:30:38 < KreAture_> gaaaah
2016-11-17T03:31:19  * KreAture_ is trying to preview a pic but has blocked the link to microsoft so win10 can't tell it that he is viewing pics (why the fuck do they collect all this telemetry!) but now it just sits there waiting as it can't reach servers
2016-11-17T03:31:27 < KreAture_> I try to view a pic ffs not start a nuclear war!
2016-11-17T03:33:31 < KreAture_> hehe found my first selfie
2016-11-17T03:33:38 < KreAture_> before they were cool
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2016-11-17T03:42:30 < KreAture_> http://kreature.org/images/tmb/k_tmb_4.jpg
2016-11-17T03:42:36 < KreAture_> haha selfie before 2000
2016-11-17T03:42:38 < KreAture_> :p
2016-11-17T03:42:58 < KreAture_> I'm ofcource the one posing his nostrils
2016-11-17T03:43:47 < KreAture_> Telemark Battalion
2016-11-17T03:43:53 < KreAture_> (Norway)
2016-11-17T03:45:20 < KreAture_> I think the color was chosen as a notion to the British forces 
2016-11-17T03:45:29 < KreAture_> and no I am not
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2016-11-17T03:47:32 < KreAture_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telemark_Battalion
2016-11-17T03:47:36 < KreAture_> yeh it's not all good
2016-11-17T03:47:57 < KreAture_> whaddya expect when you create a specials division though, all the fucking gungho ppl will try to join
2016-11-17T03:48:22 < KreAture_> I was to be deployed in Bosnia
2016-11-17T03:49:03 < KreAture_> nope
2016-11-17T03:49:10 < KreAture_> infact I didn't sign the contract
2016-11-17T03:49:31 < KreAture_> I did the training and shit but when asked to serve abroad I didn't accept
2016-11-17T03:49:40 < KreAture_> no, only for the officers
2016-11-17T03:50:08 < KreAture_> most of them have a 3 year minimum duty for their schooling
2016-11-17T03:51:34 < KreAture_> They started with concripts in tmb, but around 2002 they changed it to 3 year contracts 
2016-11-17T03:52:06 < KreAture_> due to the law in Norway they cannot send a concript out of the kingdom
2016-11-17T03:52:14 < KreAture_> They have to sign up
2016-11-17T03:52:24 < KreAture_> and they did so for 1 year stints
2016-11-17T03:52:28 < KreAture_> this was then changed to 3
2016-11-17T03:52:50 < KreAture_> also, now they do not train anyone that has not signed up so they don't get the loss of men when done training
2016-11-17T03:52:52 < KreAture_> like me
2016-11-17T03:53:07 < KreAture_> Half my group said fuck it
2016-11-17T03:53:21 < KreAture_> which gave them big problems as we were key personall next to the officers
2016-11-17T03:53:35 < KreAture_> I did communications and medical
2016-11-17T03:54:17 < KreAture_> during 11 months training I did over 80 days in the field, which was a new record btw
2016-11-17T03:54:18 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-11-17T03:54:48 < KreAture_> basically I feel that issues abroad are issues abroad
2016-11-17T03:54:58 < KreAture_> and my feelings have been multiplied the last years 
2016-11-17T03:55:09 < KreAture_> a buddy who did join has had tours abroad ever since
2016-11-17T03:55:20 < KreAture_> he came back a half a year ago and was done
2016-11-17T03:55:31 < KreAture_> his buddy did not come back
2016-11-17T03:55:47 < KreAture_> so when he was back here he contacted me about it saying he needed to talk
2016-11-17T03:56:56 < KreAture_> basically he overheard syrians or something in local gym complaining they were not getting enough money from state, was bored and thought everything was better at home but hoped they could get a wife from home here as atleast there was no fighting here
2016-11-17T03:57:04 < KreAture_> He felt stabbed in the back
2016-11-17T03:57:47 < KreAture_> This were men in the right age for the military there, and he had been down there training the local military in training new men, and they tried to take in 5000 a month and had problems finding 200.
2016-11-17T03:57:53 < KreAture_> all had left
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2016-11-17T03:58:23 < KreAture_> They are in norway training in healthclubs hoping the shit will clear up soon
2016-11-17T03:58:28 < KreAture_> I was very sad
2016-11-17T03:58:35 < KreAture_> it must be terrible for him
2016-11-17T03:58:50 < KreAture_> I feel bad he lost another mate too, but atleast I didn't know the guy like my buddy did.
2016-11-17T03:59:19 < KreAture_> anyway, I thus feel i did the right thing when I didn't go
2016-11-17T04:00:52 < KreAture_> I did get to experience someone accidentally firing their weapon NOT loaded with blanks during a crawl through the woods in a live fire excersize though, so I think maybe they need to weed out more morons than they had when I served, before I'd ever think of going on a live fire mission abroad with em.
2016-11-17T04:01:32 < KreAture_> Still, controversy in media asside, I hope they did more good than harm.
2016-11-17T04:02:23 < KreAture_> soooooo, watcha working on LeelooMinai 
2016-11-17T04:02:29 < KreAture_> don't say it's military related
2016-11-17T04:02:30 < KreAture_> hehe
2016-11-17T04:04:33 < KreAture_> lol
2016-11-17T04:04:36 < KreAture_> I do both
2016-11-17T04:04:41 < stvn> THEY'RE ABOUT ALL SORTS OF THINGS.
2016-11-17T04:04:50 < KreAture_> and yak shaving is my specialty
2016-11-17T04:06:12 < KreAture_> well, on this project I have been solving the major issues first before doing any board design
2016-11-17T04:06:28 < KreAture_> It is tight so all pins need to be utilized to their max potential
2016-11-17T04:07:23 < KreAture_> didn't want to end up making 6 revisions of the board
2016-11-17T04:09:04 < KreAture_> well, here it is multiplexing issues
2016-11-17T04:09:20 < KreAture_> you know how stm always manages to lock the peripherals you use
2016-11-17T04:09:34 < KreAture_> sure you can have both memory interface and camera interface
2016-11-17T04:09:49 < KreAture_> but having em both on pins that don't collide you need the largest chip, whyyyyy?
2016-11-17T04:10:06 < KreAture_> wasn't it obvious to them that maybe if you needed camera interfqce you may need more sram as well ?
2016-11-17T04:10:19 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai you can't always just upp the pincount
2016-11-17T04:10:38 < KreAture_> 1. package may not fit due to physical board constraints
2016-11-17T04:10:45 < KreAture_> 2. it will be more expensive
2016-11-17T04:11:06 < zyp> «I want everything, available in the smallest package, for free»
2016-11-17T04:11:08 < KreAture_> 3. you may not need any extra peripherals or code space a larger chip gives, making it very wastefull
2016-11-17T04:11:35 < KreAture_> The camera interface and mem interface makes the chip 14x14
2016-11-17T04:12:09 < zyp> KreAture_, people concerned about board area go bga
2016-11-17T04:12:17 < KreAture_> you can go bga
2016-11-17T04:12:27 < KreAture_> but then your cost of board just trippled
2016-11-17T04:12:54 < zyp> not in larger volumes
2016-11-17T04:13:06 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai not available
2016-11-17T04:13:26 < zyp> LeelooMinai, 1mm pitch doesn't really save that much space
2016-11-17T04:13:49 < KreAture_> You can get the LFBGA one for some cheap chips, but that one is not cheap
2016-11-17T04:14:06 < KreAture_> LeelooMinai exactly the 0.8mm bga is insane
2016-11-17T04:14:12 < KreAture_> cost is 4x the normal chip
2016-11-17T04:14:29 < zyp> again a volume problem
2016-11-17T04:14:34 < KreAture_> zyp no
2016-11-17T04:14:48 < KreAture_> they have a price overview on their site and they list it as more expensive
2016-11-17T04:15:16 < KreAture_> yeah the package cost is silly
2016-11-17T04:15:24 < KreAture_> it's like "don't use it or we cut off a finger"
2016-11-17T04:15:38 < KreAture_> csbga is 0.4 and yes it adds a lot of cost on boards
2016-11-17T04:15:44 < KreAture_> I've used it a few times and it is not fun
2016-11-17T04:17:29 < KreAture_> all I need for my project is the stm32f103c8t6
2016-11-17T04:17:36 < KreAture_> it is available for under $2
2016-11-17T04:18:11 < KreAture_> 7x7mm in size
2016-11-17T04:18:23 < KreAture_> not in large production volumes
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2016-11-17T04:19:03 < KreAture_> now the bga64 is only 5x5mm so it is way smaller and would be great
2016-11-17T04:19:25 < KreAture_> it is however 0.5mm pitch and there goes the pcb
2016-11-17T04:19:36 < KreAture_> it's actually almost doable
2016-11-17T04:19:46 < KreAture_> if I use smdp
2016-11-17T04:20:29 < stvn> ok
2016-11-17T04:20:33 < stvn> i'll be here LeelooMinai 
2016-11-17T04:21:29 < KreAture_> That is the best choice really as it only adds 50 cents to the cost
2016-11-17T04:21:36 < KreAture_> solder mask defined pad
2016-11-17T04:21:54 < KreAture_> and it increases pins
2016-11-17T04:22:53 < stvn> what are you making KreAture_ 
2016-11-17T04:23:16 < KreAture_> lidar
2016-11-17T04:24:59  * stvn googles
2016-11-17T04:25:01 < stvn> nice one
2016-11-17T04:25:54 < KreAture_> hmm, you know
2016-11-17T04:26:01 < stvn> stm32 based lidar
2016-11-17T04:26:06 < KreAture_> right now there is a clearance at newark on the 100 pin!
2016-11-17T04:26:07 < stvn> sounds like a definite success
2016-11-17T04:26:09 < KreAture_> $1.1
2016-11-17T04:26:15 < KreAture_> $1.19 actually
2016-11-17T04:26:21 < stvn> wtf is 'the 100 pin'
2016-11-17T04:26:34 < KreAture_> That'd be very nice and it is the 100 pin 0.8mm pitch bga
2016-11-17T04:26:45 < stvn> yeah
2016-11-17T04:27:08 < KreAture_> http://www.newark.com/stmicroelectronics/stm32f103v8h6/microcontroller-mcu-32-bit-cortex/dp/99W9807?CMP=AFC-SF-T11-US&DM_PersistentCookieCreated=true
2016-11-17T04:28:11 < KreAture_> promo price
2016-11-17T04:28:43 < stvn> looks good
2016-11-17T04:28:46 < KreAture_> Otherwise it's a $3 chip even in 2500 pcs
2016-11-17T04:28:53 < stvn> how about from china
2016-11-17T04:29:11 < KreAture_> nah they don't do this promos
2016-11-17T04:29:21 < KreAture_> also newark/farnell is usually good on high volume prices
2016-11-17T04:29:27 < stvn> ok
2016-11-17T04:29:37 < stvn> i caught the bird flu from something off alibaba
2016-11-17T04:29:51 < KreAture_> $6.8 fropm china
2016-11-17T04:29:59 < stvn> ^_^
2016-11-17T04:31:14 < KreAture_> The chip is 10x10 though and you cannot route under it on first or second layer
2016-11-17T04:31:31 < KreAture_> on the lqfp you can
2016-11-17T04:31:34 < stvn> ok
2016-11-17T04:32:03 < KreAture_> The pin issue would not arise though :) Easily do seperate memory and camera bus with that one
2016-11-17T04:32:15 < KreAture_> Then again once my code works it can be ported to any of the chips
2016-11-17T04:32:26 < KreAture_> since it works on the smallest ones it easily works on the larger
2016-11-17T04:32:34 < KreAture_> but now I gotta get to bed
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2016-11-17T04:32:45 < KreAture_Zzz> zzz
2016-11-17T04:33:06 < stvn> o/
2016-11-17T04:34:12 < stvn> Is quiet in here.
2016-11-17T04:47:19 < jadew> sup?
2016-11-17T04:47:39  * jadew has trouble sleeping
2016-11-17T04:54:23 < stvn> pieces
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2016-11-17T04:54:34 < stvn> bits of everything is up
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2016-11-17T04:56:42 < stvn> jadew have a marijuana cigarette
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2016-11-17T04:57:22 < jadew> never smoked pot
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2016-11-17T05:00:38 < jadew> are you saying you never did that?
2016-11-17T05:01:58 < jadew> I don't do either of those things anymore, but I used to
2016-11-17T05:04:36 < jadew> nice, what did you find so far?
2016-11-17T05:04:48 < jadew> how does it do what it claims to do?
2016-11-17T05:07:09 < jadew> https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=vosen.VisualRust
2016-11-17T05:22:13 < englishman> lol $25 billion dick pic company
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2016-11-17T07:03:02 < stvn> i'm moving down by pine island
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2016-11-17T07:06:34 < stvn> laesrs.
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2016-11-17T07:14:04 < stvn> the ubiquitous steve
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2016-11-17T07:20:36 < ohsix> getting paid to operate a 3d printer is kind of hot
2016-11-17T07:20:46 < ohsix> print jobs take a long time
2016-11-17T07:21:17 < ohsix> anything cool in the buffer?
2016-11-17T07:21:57 < stvn> a cockpiece
2016-11-17T07:46:50 < dongs> RIP o6 http://time.com/4574226/man-dissolved-yellowstone-park/
2016-11-17T07:49:04 < stvn> sup dongs
2016-11-17T07:49:12 < dongs> dissolving in acid
2016-11-17T07:49:17 < stvn> shit man
2016-11-17T07:49:35 < stvn> hard to innovate when you're dissolving
2016-11-17T07:50:48 < stvn> LeelooMinai, wheres kakimir 
2016-11-17T07:51:02 < ohsix> i read a story a few weeks ago about a contended piece of land in/near yellowstone where you could kill someone and get away with it
2016-11-17T07:52:23 < stvn> <ketas> stvn: why you have that realname?
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2016-11-17T08:07:46 < stvn> well if that's all we've got
2016-11-17T08:09:34 < ohsix> spurt spurt
2016-11-17T08:11:24 < stvn> o6
2016-11-17T08:11:32 < stvn> where can i buy GYA1001
2016-11-17T08:11:36 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/thejoshpatten/status/799112897024692224
2016-11-17T08:12:00 < ohsix> eh
2016-11-17T08:12:08 < ohsix> that number looks familiar but no idea
2016-11-17T08:12:33 < stvn> its a white grease pioneer sell in tiny amounts
2016-11-17T08:12:40 < ohsix> grease
2016-11-17T08:12:42 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-17T08:12:47 < ohsix> HM good question
2016-11-17T08:12:47 < stvn> for plastic parts
2016-11-17T08:12:57 < ohsix> is it a lithium grease?
2016-11-17T08:13:01 < stvn> "FLOIL/LUBRICATING OIL"
2016-11-17T08:13:09 < ohsix> try uh, look for the MSDS information
2016-11-17T08:13:12 < stvn> maybe, i don't know shit about grease
2016-11-17T08:13:18 < stvn> rofl as if i'd get that off them
2016-11-17T08:13:19 < ohsix> that's like the warnings for what to do if it gets in your eyes
2016-11-17T08:13:25 < ohsix> nah they have to be published
2016-11-17T08:13:42 < stvn> that is actually a good idea, it would reveal the product name to me
2016-11-17T08:14:09 < ohsix> maybe that too
2016-11-17T08:14:18 < ohsix> but it is probably a common lithium grease
2016-11-17T08:14:30 < stvn> yeah i think FLOIL is a product range from japan
2016-11-17T08:16:14 < ohsix> lul 40$/jar is a huge scam
2016-11-17T08:17:13 < stvn> yea i dont pay that
2016-11-17T08:18:16 < ohsix> i didn't even know it had a name
2016-11-17T08:19:00 < stvn> yeah mate
2016-11-17T08:19:10 < ohsix> dongs might be able to find more
2016-11-17T08:19:13 < ohsix> he knows the japponaise
2016-11-17T08:19:17 < stvn> dongs is a samurai
2016-11-17T08:19:38 < ohsix> there might not be msds, but there probably is an equiv in jp
2016-11-17T08:20:00 < ohsix> since it's an internal thing only service people would have
2016-11-17T08:20:15 < stvn> he has achieved bankai
2016-11-17T08:20:16 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/CwIWtfg.jpg
2016-11-17T08:20:55 < ohsix> how many xrefs do you have
2016-11-17T08:21:01 < ohsix> found froil/pn397
2016-11-17T08:21:19 < stvn> link
2016-11-17T08:21:51 < ohsix> zlb-pn397b
2016-11-17T08:22:04 < ohsix> er, i haven't 'found' it, i mean what names have you found for the same part number from pioneer
2016-11-17T08:22:34 < stvn> as quoted
2016-11-17T08:22:39 < ohsix> o
2016-11-17T08:23:13 < ohsix> it prob ably wouldn't be a lot of work to test mechanical properties to find similar oil
2016-11-17T08:23:17 < stvn> thanks anyway man
2016-11-17T08:23:22 < stvn> i agree
2016-11-17T08:24:42 < ohsix> nte does some cross reference for that kind of stuff, i think
2016-11-17T08:25:04 < ohsix> they'll sell really expensive replacement parts :> but they also keep the numbers for all the parts they xref to, so it's really handy
2016-11-17T08:27:13 < ohsix> i wonder what the 'pdm50' part means on pacparts
2016-11-17T08:27:52 < ohsix> don't recognize it as a weight or any property of oil acronym
2016-11-17T08:29:24 < stvn> who knows 06
2016-11-17T08:29:29 < stvn> just having a bunt
2016-11-17T08:30:25 < ohsix> 397 is in other names for it
2016-11-17T08:30:49 < ohsix> ah
2016-11-17T08:30:58 < ohsix> 397 grams seems to be a common quantity of grease
2016-11-17T08:31:47 < stvn> ok
2016-11-17T08:32:32 < ohsix> https://www.kanto-kasei.co.jp/e/products/floil/
2016-11-17T08:32:54 < ohsix> i think you can do the rest huhu
2016-11-17T08:33:00 < ohsix> happy 2 help!!11 bbiab
2016-11-17T08:33:29 < ohsix> that logo / color is so classy
2016-11-17T08:33:34 < stvn> ty 06
2016-11-17T08:34:01 < ohsix> np
2016-11-17T08:34:10 < ohsix> their part numbers look like you'd be looking for literal 397b
2016-11-17T08:34:14 < ohsix> whatever that is
2016-11-17T08:35:24 < stvn> m
2016-11-17T08:36:47 < ohsix> https://deltaemis.com/CRC/Documents/Track4638/R7LGP837DE%20%20MSDS.pdf heh drink milk
2016-11-17T08:37:25 < stvn> th
2016-11-17T08:38:08 < ohsix> scribd is a scourge
2016-11-17T08:41:51 < ohsix> depending on how far you want to go down the rabbit hole, those part numbers are probably known to the trade / companies that make oils and greases, you could find out what it is, or ask another company to make it (and probably tell you if they can and what it is)
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2016-11-17T08:43:44 < stvn> yeah
2016-11-17T08:43:47 < stvn> i got a few guys
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2016-11-17T08:50:48 < ohsix> https://ccrma.stanford.edu/realsimple/imp_meas/
2016-11-17T08:50:58 < ohsix> i don't know any audio wizards
2016-11-17T08:51:06 < ohsix> is this relevant to testing a microphone
2016-11-17T08:51:33 < ohsix> i need to compare 15 microphones to a reference one to see if how i built the housing for the 15 mattered to frequency response 'too much'
2016-11-17T08:53:30 < ohsix> https://ccrma.stanford.edu/realsimple/imp_meas/Sine_Sweep_Measurement_Weakly.html
2016-11-17T08:54:58 < dongs> hmm
2016-11-17T08:55:08 < dongs> so from october win10/1607 whql is required on drivers
2016-11-17T08:55:13 < dongs> anything signed after that date
2016-11-17T08:55:14 < dongs> no more self-sign
2016-11-17T08:55:15 < dongs> gay.
2016-11-17T08:56:09 < ohsix> you can't add another cert to cert store as root of authority?
2016-11-17T08:56:52 < ohsix> i need to get win10 somewhere and look at the ui for that shit, it seems obvious/easy
2016-11-17T08:59:16 < jpa-> the certs for SSL are not the same as certs for driver signing :P
2016-11-17T08:59:28 < dongs> who the fuck has their mouth open?
2016-11-17T09:00:29 < ohsix> jpa-: yea but those other certs aren't necessarily for ssl either huhu
2016-11-17T09:00:50 < ohsix> is the root list for driver signing unmodifiable?
2016-11-17T09:01:00 < ohsix> in any practical way
2016-11-17T09:01:37 < jpa-> there is a way to install drivers for development on your own machine i think, but it is deliberately made difficult enough that you wouldn't do it for drivers you distribute to customers
2016-11-17T09:02:24 < jpa-> bcdedit /set testsigning on
2016-11-17T09:03:17 < qyx> that won't help you deploy your drivers to customers
2016-11-17T09:07:04 < jpa-> yep
2016-11-17T09:07:49 < jpa-> can't see why microsoft would make it any easier to add new root certs for driver signing
2016-11-17T09:10:31 < dongs> self-signing worked for years
2016-11-17T09:10:38 < dongs> even big names liek nvidia etc self-sign
2016-11-17T09:11:39 < qyx> self-signature is like no signature at all
2016-11-17T09:11:44 < qyx> from the security point of view
2016-11-17T09:14:36 < jpa-> i think we are talking about two different kinds of self-signing here.. i think by "self-sign" dongs means buying a generic code-signing cert from microsoft and using that to sign your drivers, without having to submit them to microsoft for verification
2016-11-17T09:15:52 < jpa-> dongs: i wonder how they verify the date of when the driver was signed.. so if you self-sign a driver on a PC with clock set to past, will it still work for windows 10? :P
2016-11-17T09:17:52 < dongs> jpa, you contact a timestamping service when you sign
2016-11-17T09:18:00 < dongs> timestamp.microsoft or .rsa or someshit i forget
2016-11-17T09:18:06 < jpa-> ah
2016-11-17T09:18:06 < dongs> of course its not THAT dumb :)
2016-11-17T09:18:09 < jpa-> :P
2016-11-17T09:19:25 < stvn> sup yo
2016-11-17T09:19:57 < ohsix> jpa-: yea i know (distribution) i'm assuming you can add your own even if the process is really complex and silly
2016-11-17T09:20:28 < ohsix> i need to run win10 and actually look
2016-11-17T09:20:35 < stvn> cool
2016-11-17T09:20:41 < stvn> windows 10
2016-11-17T09:22:01 < ohsix> i installed it in Boxes just to see how it works, need more megabytes in that laptop
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2016-11-17T09:23:57 < ohsix> intersil has a demo board that is inlaid in a bottle opener
2016-11-17T09:28:11 < ohsix> http://www.cypress.com/documentation/development-kitsboards/fm4-176l-s6e2dh-arm-cortex-m4-fm4-graphics-mcu-starter-kit lul
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2016-11-17T09:31:50 < ohsix> http://www.infineon.com/cms/en/product/rf-and-wireless-control/mm-wave-mmic/24-ghz-radar-industrial/BGT24MTR12/productType.html?productType=db3a30443ff7943901400b1ba93016fb
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2016-11-17T10:16:10 < upgrdman> "Featuring the FM4 ARM® Cortex®-M4 S6E2D-Series Graphics MCU
2016-11-17T10:16:10 < upgrdman> 160MHz ARM® Cortex MCU with DMA"
2016-11-17T10:16:24 < upgrdman> lol. "with dma" is a feature now?
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2016-11-17T10:16:46 < upgrdman> why dont they say "transistorized" too
2016-11-17T10:17:26 < Fleck> ;p
2016-11-17T10:17:38 < jpa-> why wouldn't it be a feature?
2016-11-17T10:18:14 < stvn> wheres tectu
2016-11-17T10:18:39 < upgrdman> jpa-, well ~everything these days have dma
2016-11-17T10:18:59 < Fleck> thats nothing compared to NEW LED TV's with a flicker-free backlight :D thats a feature! meh, marketing...
2016-11-17T10:19:10 < jpa-> upgrdman: plenty of avr's don't :D
2016-11-17T10:19:23 < upgrdman> jpa-, fine. s/~everything/~everythingDecent
2016-11-17T10:19:52 < upgrdman> Fleck, that i can kinda understand. a lot of shit still uses PWM instead of CC drivers
2016-11-17T10:21:00 < jpa-> though now the newest rage is low-persistence TV's, which means "extra-flickery backlight, but now it's synchronized"
2016-11-17T10:21:13 < Fleck> upgrdman: yes, but still, CC is nothing new... funny they put it up like something NEW & UNSEEN
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2016-11-17T10:21:41 < upgrdman> ya "new and unseen" is wanker shit indeed
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2016-11-17T10:45:30 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/0m7rl1m.jpg
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2016-11-17T10:51:01 < stvn> the architecture of the digital world
2016-11-17T10:51:03 < stvn> ARM
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2016-11-17T10:55:37 < upgrdman> stvn, nice crt bro
2016-11-17T10:56:46 < stvn> ty m8
2016-11-17T10:56:46 < upgrdman> enjoy  http://i.imgur.com/wkiE2yN.gifv
2016-11-17T10:57:04 < stvn> doesn't even have progressive scan man
2016-11-17T10:58:32 < stvn> circuits are so kawaii
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2016-11-17T11:17:46 < ohsix> eh is 'knowledge consultant' too douchy a thing for a business card
2016-11-17T11:17:52 < ohsix> i need a contact widget to give to people
2016-11-17T11:17:57 < upgrdman> yes
2016-11-17T11:18:08 < ohsix> thinking of having that only on one side then (researcher) on the side with th enumber
2016-11-17T11:18:21 < ohsix> well i don't do anything specific and that's actually close to what happens haha
2016-11-17T11:18:33 < ohsix> know a lot of disparate shit that seems to help people figure stuff out
2016-11-17T11:18:59 < ohsix> if people see it and ask i can say 'oh yea that was a bad joke, just cross it out or ignore it'
2016-11-17T11:19:01 < ohsix> win/win
2016-11-17T11:19:30 < stvn> what the fuck is a knowledge consultant
2016-11-17T11:19:43 < stvn> just write "##stm32 troll"
2016-11-17T11:19:49 < ohsix> it's consulting with knowledge of random shit
2016-11-17T11:20:09 < ohsix> they ust need my email and phone number, i could put unemployed or something else on it ;D
2016-11-17T11:20:11 < upgrdman> "im like google, but you pay to use my services"
2016-11-17T11:20:13 < upgrdman> :)
2016-11-17T11:20:22 < ohsix> sort of
2016-11-17T11:20:40 < ohsix> i batmanned someone having a problem at one of the diy spaces here
2016-11-17T11:20:54 < ohsix> i was just looking to touch base with one of the dudes that own it and loitering/ talking to the shop hands a bit
2016-11-17T11:21:06 < ohsix> they were stuck figuring out how to fix a washer in a bosch sabre saw
2016-11-17T11:21:18 < ohsix> i just told them about the tool marks that held it in olol
2016-11-17T11:21:23 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/tQ6mb0t.jpg
2016-11-17T11:22:01 < ohsix> i think they were trying to figure it out for like 40 minutes before i got there
2016-11-17T11:23:06 < ohsix> i just know random crap and can figure shit out, been conversing with a lot of people that are not dumb, but they also don't have a breadth of knowledge about stuff or don't know how to do root cause finding of one type or another with some given widget
2016-11-17T11:23:46 < emeryth> "professional protipper"
2016-11-17T11:24:07 < dongs> is that luois rossman faggotshop
2016-11-17T11:24:15 < stvn> dongs, my shop cunt
2016-11-17T11:24:28 < ohsix> lul
2016-11-17T11:24:39 < ohsix> professional experience grazer
2016-11-17T11:24:44 < stvn> bits bro
2016-11-17T11:24:51 < ohsix> just kibitzing
2016-11-17T11:24:56 < stvn> :D
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2016-11-17T11:28:20 < ohsix> earlier today a medical academic type person was takling about some grants in medical poop for the county
2016-11-17T11:28:35 < ohsix> they were talking about how an engineer specifies a system, and one was like 'oh well how do you pick the accelerometer'
2016-11-17T11:28:56 < ohsix> turns out i knew some shit about that already cuz of dongs / IMU shit
2016-11-17T11:29:01 < ohsix> and a thing he made
2016-11-17T11:30:31 < ohsix> 'unemployed' might actually be funny and effective haha
2016-11-17T11:58:07 < decimad> I would understand what you're getting at, but it would occur unprofessional to me anyways
2016-11-17T11:58:33 < stvn> llol
2016-11-17T11:58:54 < dongs> yeah but you use C++
2016-11-17T11:59:14 < stvn> lu
2016-11-17T11:59:16 < stvn> l
2016-11-17T11:59:56 < decimad> I started trying to reason about that statement gave up quickly ;)
2016-11-17T12:02:47 < ohsix> wut
2016-11-17T12:03:40 < ohsix> https://exchange.telstra.com.au/2016/11/10/beyond-channel-seven-telstra-bring-beyond-2020/ two episodes D:
2016-11-17T12:10:49 < stvn>  m'
2016-11-17T12:12:34 < stvn> seriously
2016-11-17T12:12:35 < stvn> fuck
2016-11-17T12:12:43 < stvn> these cunts cant even make 2 solder joints
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2016-11-17T12:22:41 < ohsix> http://www.eclipse.org/che/ wut
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2016-11-17T13:33:26 < kakimir> Laurenceb: https://www.instagram.com/p/BM1uskxFcUS/?taken-by=piques
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2016-11-17T13:52:10 < kakimir> has there been alternatives to ESC32 yet?
2016-11-17T13:53:44 < jpa-> "alternatives" in what sense? plenty of people use regular ESCs
2016-11-17T13:55:13 < kakimir> 32bit micro
2016-11-17T13:55:15 < kakimir> current sense
2016-11-17T13:55:24 < kakimir> programable
2016-11-17T13:55:32 < kakimir> variety of connectivity
2016-11-17T13:55:35 < kakimir> at least 50A
2016-11-17T13:55:49 < jpa-> vesc?
2016-11-17T14:02:12 < kakimir> that is like seriously expensive piece of bldc controlling
2016-11-17T14:02:22 < kakimir> actually
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2016-11-17T14:10:43 < kakimir> VESC seems more advanced and more power ofc
2016-11-17T14:13:56 < kakimir> has anyone here played with it?
2016-11-17T14:14:34 < jpa-> i use a custom design based on it on my ebike
2016-11-17T14:15:16 < kakimir> does it have more servo like control modes?
2016-11-17T14:15:56 < jpa-> dunno
2016-11-17T14:16:29 < kakimir> did you build it yourself?
2016-11-17T14:16:42 < kakimir> or modded some chinabuild
2016-11-17T14:17:55 < kakimir> hmm custom design.. I think I may recall that.. some screenshots or so
2016-11-17T14:25:17 < jpa-> built myself
2016-11-17T14:28:03 < kakimir> what is the difference?
2016-11-17T14:28:27 < kakimir> and how much the build itself cost in time and monet-+
2016-11-17T14:28:31 < kakimir> money?
2016-11-17T14:30:30 < jpa-> dunno, didn't keep stats
2016-11-17T14:31:24 < kakimir> what was the difference?
2016-11-17T14:31:39 < kakimir> integrated connectivity?
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2016-11-17T14:33:50 < kakimir> Laurenceb: what is up with all your nicks?
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2016-11-17T14:54:03 < Laurenceb_> different machines
2016-11-17T14:54:05 < Laurenceb_> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxZZaDjUsAQPgZo.jpg
2016-11-17T14:56:32 < kakimir> hilary not for prison?
2016-11-17T14:58:06 < Laurenceb_> apparently he was only trolling
2016-11-17T15:00:23 < kakimir> depressing
2016-11-17T15:00:46 < kakimir> I'm not trolling when I'm saying that
2016-11-17T15:01:47 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/OANuIN.jpg
2016-11-17T15:02:31 < kakimir> :)
2016-11-17T15:12:10 < kakimir> https://i.reddituploads.com/0ab7ea0b83eb42209d97573c3fcc7bc7?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=9f1df83f54026748f91f3b20f934e29b
2016-11-17T15:14:12 < kakimir> I have done nothing today
2016-11-17T15:14:15 < kakimir> nothing
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2016-11-17T17:24:31 < Laurenceb> https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9894323&cid=53305223
2016-11-17T17:24:47 < Laurenceb> Musk is getting regularly bashed as he deserves
2016-11-17T17:24:49 < Laurenceb> I like this
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2016-11-17T17:29:22 < englishman> how is that bashing
2016-11-17T17:29:29 < englishman> 99% of driving is 0-60 then back to 0 again
2016-11-17T17:29:49 < englishman> thats why the prius sold so well 15 years ago
2016-11-17T17:30:19 < englishman> another car great from 0-30 then shit afterwards, but it doesnt matter because thats what driving is
2016-11-17T17:30:33 < karlp> are you talking in mph or kph?
2016-11-17T17:30:40 < englishman> meh per hour
2016-11-17T17:31:17 < englishman> Laurenceb: dont try to talk about cars you dont even drive
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2016-11-17T18:28:51 < celeron55> why do people even compare cars made to be driven on roads to race cars
2016-11-17T18:29:01 < celeron55> it doesn't make any sense
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2016-11-17T18:29:57 < karlp> celeron55: because of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnzYG0ZkrXg
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2016-11-17T18:34:08 < celeron55> well, i guess i can't argue with that
2016-11-17T18:40:10 < BrainDamage> tesla motors do a race few years ago with a racecar as advertising
2016-11-17T18:43:14 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i63cgUeSsY0
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2016-11-17T18:45:42 < kakimir> acetone vs siloce cables
2016-11-17T18:45:44 < kakimir> is it okay?
2016-11-17T18:45:52 < kakimir> silicone
2016-11-17T18:46:37 < kakimir> Laurenceb: new die antwoord?
2016-11-17T18:51:34 < karlp> LeelooMinai: did you see this? http://embed.rs/articles/2016/semi-hosting-rust/
2016-11-17T18:52:37 < karlp> and the zinc.rs stuff of courser
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2016-11-17T18:58:39 < dirty_d> I'm rusty, I can't remember how this stuff works. I'm looking at the SYSCFG_EXTICR1 register, and it looks like the bits for EXTI0 select which port i.e. GPIOA is connected to EXTI0, but looking at the EXTI section it says that pins PA0, PB0, ..., PF0 are connected to EXTI0
2016-11-17T19:00:54 < zyp> that sounds about right
2016-11-17T19:01:05 < zyp> so what's your question?
2016-11-17T19:01:31 < dirty_d> So only one pin can trigger EXTI0?
2016-11-17T19:01:43 < dirty_d> not any pin on a specific port?
2016-11-17T19:02:14 < dirty_d> I guess that would make sense
2016-11-17T19:02:25 < zyp> as far as I can remember, there's a mux where you select which Pxy to trigger EXTIy
2016-11-17T19:02:49 < zyp> but you can't have both PA0 and PB0 configured to trigger EXTI
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2016-11-17T19:03:31 < dirty_d> it looks like SYSCFG_EXTICR1 lets you specify the port, but not the pin
2016-11-17T19:04:16 < dirty_d> this is the F0, maybe it's different on other ones
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2016-11-17T19:04:26 < jpa-> yeah, EXTI0 always goes to PA0/PB0/PC0/etc.
2016-11-17T19:04:37 < dirty_d> ok, makes sense now
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2016-11-17T19:15:16 < kakimir> I need tpo pick some lipo uvlo hysteresis value
2016-11-17T19:16:24 < kakimir> load to pack is 0.25amperes so 
2016-11-17T19:16:38 < kakimir> 100mV too much?
2016-11-17T19:17:23 < kakimir> load voltage drop is
2016-11-17T19:17:38 < kakimir> something like few millivolts I guess
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2016-11-17T19:18:20 < kakimir> but there might be some longer period drifts by load turning off, temperature etc.
2016-11-17T19:19:32 < Steffanx> So how is the scary copter dirty_d?
2016-11-17T19:20:03 < dirty_d> Hah
2016-11-17T19:20:14 < kakimir> I think 20mV would be enought
2016-11-17T19:21:44 < dirty_d> this was a while ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlMyax9dP8E
2016-11-17T19:21:56 < dirty_d> I burnt an esc and never fixed it
2016-11-17T19:22:37 < dirty_d> hmm, I don't see the registers for systick in the reference manual
2016-11-17T19:23:29 < zyp> that's because it's part of the ARM core
2016-11-17T19:23:34 < zyp> so it's in the arm core manual
2016-11-17T19:24:00 < zyp> along with NVIC, SCB and the other core peripherals
2016-11-17T19:24:00 < jpa-> it's also in the "STM32 programming manual"
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2016-11-17T19:24:23 < dirty_d> oh, that makes sense
2016-11-17T19:24:25 < zyp> jpa-, that's st's copy of the arm core manual
2016-11-17T19:24:34 < jpa-> yep
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2016-11-17T19:32:52 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/b2ladd.jpg
2016-11-17T19:32:53 < KreAture_> hihi
2016-11-17T19:33:09 < KreAture_> solved my bus tristate issue with a 15 cent part
2016-11-17T19:33:19 < KreAture_> better than a $4 higher priced mcu
2016-11-17T19:40:18 < Kliment>  
2016-11-17T19:40:20 < Kliment> OOps
2016-11-17T19:40:38 < Kliment> My terminal is doing weird things :)
2016-11-17T19:43:44 < dirty_d> for interval timing I can just read SYST_CVR, then write to SYST_CVR to reset it back to 0 right?
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2016-11-17T20:05:11 < kakimir> we pumpin
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2016-11-17T20:19:47 < Laurenceb> http://www2.b3ta.com/fp-archive/host/11002515-1.gif
2016-11-17T20:22:33 < kakimir> from 0-10 how depressed you are Laurenceb ?
2016-11-17T20:22:44 < Laurenceb> 1
2016-11-17T20:22:59 < kakimir> I try to analyze you
2016-11-17T20:24:02 < kakimir> mine would be like 2-5 varying
2016-11-17T20:24:21 < jadew> 8
2016-11-17T20:24:57 < kakimir> interesting
2016-11-17T20:25:26 < jadew> but that's on a 1-10 scale :P
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2016-11-17T20:28:20 < jadew> that's not normal for me tho, today is just special
2016-11-17T20:29:23  * kakimir *sniffs the air*
2016-11-17T20:29:37 < kakimir> sounds like explaining
2016-11-17T20:37:16 < Laurenceb> https://hobbyking.com/en_us/hobbyking-pulse-jet-gasoline-engine-red-head-with-ignition-system.html
2016-11-17T20:37:53 < kakimir> yes
2016-11-17T20:38:42 < kakimir> nice resistor collection
2016-11-17T20:38:57 < kakimir> resistor I need is 0.1M off
2016-11-17T20:39:03 < BrainDamage> i want a hobby scale valveless pulsejet that transitions to ramjet as mach number increases
2016-11-17T20:39:22 < kakimir> BrainDamage: and it only can cost 200?
2016-11-17T20:39:29 < BrainDamage> why yes
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2016-11-17T20:40:31 < BrainDamage> in terms of materials and manifacturing it's not absurd, all the difficulty is in the design, so one has to do it and china clone
2016-11-17T20:40:39 < BrainDamage> and price can be low
2016-11-17T20:41:04 < kakimir> BrainDamage: you mean "yes. why?"
2016-11-17T20:41:24 < BrainDamage> i meant what i said and said what i meant
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2016-11-17T21:22:51 < Laurenceb> irc irl http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=94b_1479406654
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2016-11-17T21:24:09 < ReadErr> how did you get a hold of my webcam Laurenceb 
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2016-11-17T21:26:57 < Steffanx> Are you THAT old ReadErr or is it your dad?
2016-11-17T21:27:11 < ReadErr> oh im 13
2016-11-17T21:27:24 < ReadErr> I have that disease 
2016-11-17T21:27:33 < Steffanx> -_-
2016-11-17T21:27:41 < englishman> 13 irc years is like 69 human years
2016-11-17T21:28:45 < ReadErr> so apparently the rest of the world is scared shitless of donald trump
2016-11-17T21:29:03 < ReadErr> atleast thats what I gathered from the obama+merkel thing
2016-11-17T21:34:24 < Laurenceb> lulwut http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6af_1479401263
2016-11-17T21:34:38 < Laurenceb> terminator T-0
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2016-11-17T21:47:00 < decimad> ReadErr, scared shitless?
2016-11-17T21:47:35 < decimad> ReadErr: I'm scared maybe of the global phenomen of opportunism lately
2016-11-17T21:48:40 < ReadErr> Laurenceb: how is IP Bill going to effect your channing activities and pepes creation?
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2016-11-17T22:08:07 < dirty_d> im making a thing to record the IR pulses from a tv remote so I can make another thing to control the tv, does this look like a somewhat reasonable approach to doing that? http://codepad.org/Rwhi4QX5
2016-11-17T22:09:41 < dirty_d> im going to hook up a phorotransistor to the pin set up as an external interrupt, or just open up the remote and connect the LED right to it
2016-11-17T22:26:43 < qyx> tv remote is a OOK signal modulated on a ~38kHz carrier
2016-11-17T22:27:09 < qyx> using a simple phototransistor would trigger your interrupt at that freq
2016-11-17T22:28:21 < qyx> I used a free running timer with an input capture for this purpose in the past, worked ok
2016-11-17T22:29:02 < qyx> and a dedicated IR receiver which demodulated the signal and did all the filtering and stuff
2016-11-17T22:30:44 < qyx> check AN3174 for example
2016-11-17T22:30:48 < dirty_d> yea, this should work fine at 38kHz
2016-11-17T22:31:01 < dirty_d> i have an ir demodulator, but its the wrong type for this remote
2016-11-17T22:38:33 < dirty_d> figured I'd just record the rising edge of each individual LED pulse
2016-11-17T22:40:19 < dirty_d> record the intervals, then just have a timer ISR read them back in an array and pulse an LED the same way
2016-11-17T22:40:26 < qyx> It could be done with DMA
2016-11-17T22:40:49 < dirty_d> the way I did it won't work?
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2016-11-17T22:41:41 < dirty_d> the ISR is pretty simple, it just writes the systick counter to an array, increments the index, then resets the systick counter
2016-11-17T22:42:08 < qyx> I don't know honestly, you should try if the MCU is fast enough for that
2016-11-17T22:43:05 < dirty_d> its 48MHz, so i have about 1200 clock cycles to do that
2016-11-17T22:43:35 < dirty_d> i guess if i look at the assembly for the ISR I'd have an idea of how long it takes
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2016-11-17T23:09:26 < dirty_d> hmm, I cant see my ISR code when i do objdump -S
2016-11-17T23:09:33 < dirty_d> but I see main and everything else
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2016-11-17T23:21:39 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKSW9QemRKbjU2MVU/view?usp=sharing let the debuggings begin
2016-11-17T23:21:46 < kakimir> hw debuggings
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2016-11-17T23:34:33 < upgrdman> on an rj45 socket (female) pin1 is on the right, if the tab is on top, correct?
2016-11-17T23:42:40 < qyx> yes
2016-11-17T23:43:36 < qyx> if you hold a cable with a rj45 plug with pins facing up, pin 1 is on the left
2016-11-17T23:44:11 < TheSeven> hmm, IIRC there was some trick with CRCs, that you could verify them by calculating the CRC of the whole message including the CRC itself and comparing that against a constant
2016-11-17T23:44:22 < TheSeven> does that require the CRC to be the first/last word in the message?
2016-11-17T23:45:23 < TheSeven> kakimir: what kind of funny thing is that?
2016-11-17T23:45:43 < TheSeven> MCU on the back?
2016-11-17T23:46:58 < TheSeven> hm, or some kind of MCU PSU board?
2016-11-17T23:48:04 < kakimir> no mcu
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2016-11-18T00:02:31 < Steffanx> But wut us ut?
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2016-11-18T00:17:29 < upgrdman> in altidongs how do i copy some schematic ic symbol from someone's schematic into my own schematic symbol library
2016-11-18T00:17:41 < kakimir> do you eat a lot of van slooten lakrids figurer Steffanx ?
2016-11-18T00:19:43 < Steffanx> I have no clue what that is kakimir
2016-11-18T00:22:07 < decimad> TheSeven: That's for CRC and then you'd check for 0
2016-11-18T00:22:41 < kakimir> thing you buy from airport and bring home
2016-11-18T00:23:21 < kakimir> http://www.fleggaard.dk/SL/PI/637/128/eb6ddd1a-eeb3-4034-8496-1126129c6c48.jpg
2016-11-18T00:23:57 < decimad> No need to answer, you'll have it figured out by now ;)
2016-11-18T00:24:07 < Steffanx> Oh, "drop". No i dont eat that a lot.
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2016-11-18T00:29:45 < Steffanx> And I think its not sold here in dutchland as "van slooten" much kakimir. We call it and its branded as"autodrop" ( car liquorice)
2016-11-18T00:30:09 < kakimir> drop
2016-11-18T00:30:18 < Steffanx> Exactly.
2016-11-18T00:30:43 < englishman> whoa
2016-11-18T00:30:45 < englishman> innovations
2016-11-18T00:31:27 < Steffanx> Where? How can you tell? Kakimir still didnt tell us what it is.
2016-11-18T00:31:34 < englishman> licorice for cars
2016-11-18T00:31:43 < englishman> here its just stupid gum
2016-11-18T00:31:47 < englishman> in cupholder-size container
2016-11-18T00:31:54 < englishman> salty licorice? innovation. i tell you
2016-11-18T00:32:09 < Steffanx> No its car shaped liquorice.
2016-11-18T00:32:17 < englishman> so meta
2016-11-18T00:32:26 < kakimir> time to send some stuff to englishman don't you think Steffanx 
2016-11-18T00:32:26 < englishman> car shaped licorice you eat INSIDE acar
2016-11-18T00:32:37 < kakimir> but only if he promises to eat it all
2016-11-18T00:32:43 < Steffanx> Yes. With some stroopwaffles.
2016-11-18T00:33:01 < englishman> yes
2016-11-18T00:33:02 < englishman> plz
2016-11-18T00:33:03 < englishman> <3
2016-11-18T00:33:06 < Steffanx> :P
2016-11-18T00:33:43 < englishman> do you have club-mate in neverland
2016-11-18T00:34:20 < Steffanx> I dont know peter pan well.
2016-11-18T00:35:27 < Steffanx> But you probably werent referring to that.
2016-11-18T00:36:31 < upgrdman> in altidongs, is it acceptable to label a 3V3 net with different names? like i have 3v3 going to a pin of a connector, it's the same as every other 3v3, but i want to label that net like "mcu vdd" just to make it clear
2016-11-18T00:36:47 < upgrdman> or will the confuse the fuck out of it
2016-11-18T00:37:57 < KreAture_> hoy hoy
2016-11-18T00:38:06 < TheSeven> upgrdman: it will consider that one net with multiple names
2016-11-18T00:38:16 < TheSeven> and pick a random one that it will show you in the PCB layout
2016-11-18T00:38:24 < TheSeven> usually the alphabetically first of them I think
2016-11-18T00:38:33 < KreAture_> Got the camera running as I wanted today, but it turns out that both the software setting to disable the output from it, and the pin to do the same kills rest of the pic
2016-11-18T00:38:44 < KreAture_> so, I will be using a 8-lane buffer
2016-11-18T00:38:45 < upgrdman> TheSeven, k thx
2016-11-18T00:38:48 < KreAture_> (15 cents)
2016-11-18T00:39:16 < TheSeven> upgrdman: I think there is some net jumper thing th separate electrically connected nets to avoid that
2016-11-18T00:39:20 < TheSeven> to*
2016-11-18T00:39:46 < upgrdman> k
2016-11-18T00:39:50 < upgrdman> ya net tie iirc
2016-11-18T00:40:15 < TheSeven> too bad that this doesn't seem to exist in circuitmaker ;)
2016-11-18T00:43:10 < upgrdman> hmm
2016-11-18T00:43:30 < upgrdman> on some mcu symbol, for active low signals, theyre using "b" ... what's b stand for?
2016-11-18T00:43:39 < upgrdman> like instead of RESETn they use RESETb
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2016-11-18T01:30:56 < upgrdman> b for bar huh? faggots
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2016-11-18T02:18:43 < Laurenceb_> when you successfully vote for Trump 
2016-11-18T02:18:44 < Laurenceb_> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/daOIIbhcv7M/maxresdefault.jpg
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2016-11-18T02:21:23 < dongs> upgrdman: same shit as RESETn, cuz thier faggggggot schematics cad can't put line above text
2016-11-18T02:23:35 < upgrdman> theres no f\a\g\g\o\t\ mode for schematic symbols?
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2016-11-18T02:23:44 < upgrdman> sure i've seen bars in sch symbols
2016-11-18T02:24:17 < dirty_d> anyone notice anything wrong with my timer code, there is no PWM signal on PA8 http://codepad.org/uhpmwrsu
2016-11-18T02:25:18 < dirty_d> PA8 AF2 is TIM1_CH1, so I think the GPIO pin is configured right
2016-11-18T02:41:16 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jr0fllK1kQ
2016-11-18T02:44:54 < TheSeven> dirty_d: shot in the dark, without even looking at the code: MOE bit?
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2016-11-18T02:53:20 < dongs> http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20161117_32/ haha
2016-11-18T02:53:28 < dongs> upgrdman: rite
2016-11-18T02:53:54 < dongs> dirty_d: turn on bdtr?
2016-11-18T02:54:03 < dongs> ya i dont see you turning it on
2016-11-18T02:54:13 < dongs> cuz tim1/tim8 need it.
2016-11-18T02:54:59 < dongs> also: wow, libopenaids3 code looks so verbose
2016-11-18T02:55:43 < zyp> haha, compared to stdlib?
2016-11-18T02:55:50 < KreAture_Zzz> dongs ;)
2016-11-18T02:57:35  * TheSeven wonders if dongs would consider his C/C++ chaos any better than "libopenaids3" :P
2016-11-18T02:58:51 < TheSeven> checking that out is still on my todo list ;)
2016-11-18T02:59:10 < TheSeven> I wonder how it will compare efficiency-wise
2016-11-18T03:00:07 < TheSeven> well, in C++ that cost can in fact be very high if you don't know what to avoid
2016-11-18T03:01:03 < dongs> TheSeven: i've seen it, not impressed
2016-11-18T03:01:27  * TheSeven wonders what ever impresses dongs, besides Keil maybe
2016-11-18T03:01:56 < dongs> zyp's code is pretty impressive even if its c++
2016-11-18T03:02:10 < dongs> so far all the other shit I've seen pasted in here is pretty gay
2016-11-18T03:02:17 < dongs> especiaully junk from t hat 3d printer guy
2016-11-18T03:02:19 < dongs> who's insane
2016-11-18T03:02:42 < zyp> the crazy template stuff?
2016-11-18T03:02:43 < TheSeven> LeelooMinai: one thing that I absolutely hate is that it can't seem to figure out which virtual methods of objects are actually used. you have one reference to anything, so you have a reference to a vtable, so you have references to everything
2016-11-18T03:03:20 < TheSeven> I guess not the guy who blew up his home by spraying his 3d printer with some hair stuff?
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2016-11-18T03:04:00 < TheSeven> LeelooMinai: there are some cases where it's somewhat useful, although performance of course isn't great
2016-11-18T03:04:16 < zyp> pff, virtual inheritance is fine
2016-11-18T03:04:35 < TheSeven> e.g. my USB driver for a specific platform inherits from the generic USB stack
2016-11-18T03:04:53 < zyp> an extra indirection is cheap as fuck, especially on a platform without cache
2016-11-18T03:05:01 < TheSeven> if the compiler would be really clever it could figure out that all of this could be resolved at compile time and the two classes merged, but it doesn't
2016-11-18T03:05:04 < zyp> TheSeven, so does mine
2016-11-18T03:06:27 < zyp> C people tend to have no idea what C++ compiles to
2016-11-18T03:06:49 < ReadErr> Kliment ?
2016-11-18T03:06:53 < TheSeven> zyp: the extra indirection isn't that much of a problem, unless it's the GPIO driver in a bitbanging code path - what I consider a bit of a problem is that the existence of a vtable sometimes causes a ton of completely unused code to be pulled in, which is annoying if you only have 16K of flash on some chips
2016-11-18T03:06:56 < ReadErr> hes a 3d printer guy
2016-11-18T03:08:31 < zyp> TheSeven, I've yet to be space constrained in any stm32 project so I just don't worry about that
2016-11-18T03:08:51 < TheSeven> oh I've hit the limits on f030f4p6 quite a few times
2016-11-18T03:09:49 < dongs> ReadErr: no
2016-11-18T03:09:50 < dongs> another guy
2016-11-18T03:09:52 < TheSeven> f072c8t6 is what I mostly use these days, but it's like 3 times as expensive. has USB though, which is nice.
2016-11-18T03:09:58 < dongs> someone crazier
2016-11-18T03:11:27 < ReadErr> the smoothie folks?
2016-11-18T03:11:28 < TheSeven> pretty decent as a replacement for 99% of the arduino use cases though
2016-11-18T03:11:33 < dongs> nah. he was writing his OWN
2016-11-18T03:11:36 < ReadErr> or that one random fuck that joined asking for people to help him
2016-11-18T03:11:40 < dongs> yes
2016-11-18T03:11:45 < TheSeven> and I think it's down to like 30 cents these days
2016-11-18T03:11:52 < dongs> reinventing the wheel and C++/ing the fuck out of it
2016-11-18T03:12:00 < ReadErr> yea cant think of his name
2016-11-18T03:12:00 < dongs> forgot wtf his name was
2016-11-18T03:12:04 < ReadErr> but know who u mean
2016-11-18T03:12:27 < TheSeven> f072c8t6 being sub-$1 now is really nice :)
2016-11-18T03:12:54 < TheSeven> 90 cent shipped @20pcs or something like that
2016-11-18T03:13:00 < TheSeven> cheaper than f042
2016-11-18T03:13:32 < TheSeven> one thing that I miss a bit on M0+ is BASEPRI
2016-11-18T03:14:40 < TheSeven> I just wrote some kind of simple context switcher for m0 a couple of days ago
2016-11-18T03:15:05 < TheSeven> to basically make what looks like a thread being blocked from inside look like a state machine IRQ handler from outside
2016-11-18T03:15:23 < TheSeven> this is really extremely simple and works nicely
2016-11-18T03:16:18 < TheSeven> the whole thing is 16 instructions of assembly, a pointer variable, a thread stack, and an nvic IRQ. nothing else
2016-11-18T03:16:36 < TheSeven> the rest of the system doesn't need to be aware of it that this IRQ is actually a thread in any way
2016-11-18T03:17:06 < TheSeven> and you can just re-use the IRQ of something that needs to un-block the thread as the IRQ that it runs in
2016-11-18T03:17:28 < TheSeven> blocking the thread is done by just calling that IRQ handler from inside the thread, which switches back out of it
2016-11-18T03:17:42 < Laurenceb_> wow this is nasty http://hackaday.com/2016/11/17/slow-3-5-raspberry-pi-lcd-hacked-to-40-mhz-with-esp8266/
2016-11-18T03:17:45 < TheSeven> the context switcher automatically does the right thing, it doesn't even know which direction it switches in
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2016-11-18T03:25:46 < TheSeven> I did this especially to have stack switching here, as being able to block on e.g. an SD card write while allowing lower priority stuff to run without having to make everything event based is quite handy
2016-11-18T03:25:48 < TheSeven> http://pastie.org/10964690
2016-11-18T03:26:01 < TheSeven> this is the trivial context/stack switcher
2016-11-18T03:28:49 < zyp> yeah, there's lazy stacking
2016-11-18T03:29:08 < zyp> space will be reserved, but not saved to until necessary
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2016-11-18T03:33:08 < dongs> cool asm bro
2016-11-18T03:33:13 < dongs> whyt do you insist
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2016-11-18T03:37:29 < dongs> <Shawn|i7-> how might I find specs for this zener diode? http://www.donberg.ie/catalogue/semiconductors/semiconductors_t-tc/t_3d.html
2016-11-18T03:37:32 < dongs> lol @ that price
2016-11-18T03:37:35 < dongs> haha
2016-11-18T03:40:06 < stvn> rofl
2016-11-18T03:40:11 < stvn> it's a 'spare' 
2016-11-18T03:40:41 < stvn> iirc i was autisming a few days ago for pioneer charging $30 for a rotary encoder which sells for $5 on mouser
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2016-11-18T03:44:50 < dongs> yeah
2016-11-18T03:45:01 < dongs> thats a legit panasonic packaging but fuckin lol
2016-11-18T03:45:06 < dongs> probably any garbage $0.03 zener would work
2016-11-18T03:45:13 < dirty_d> hmm, whats blocking_handler for?
2016-11-18T03:45:26 < stvn> absolutely it will work
2016-11-18T03:46:52 < stvn> my dog walker came over to drop off some ice cream for the dog to eat... and it didn't poison the dog.
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2016-11-18T04:33:11 < englishman> loldongs so thats the second time this year someone has crashed their drone into that tower?
2016-11-18T04:34:23 < aandrew> https://www.facebook.com/nuankhinfo/videos/1249747971730927/
2016-11-18T04:38:40 < stvn> good morning englishman 
2016-11-18T04:39:12 < englishman> hello stvn, would you like to purchase this jetski and motorcycle combo http://www.gibbssports.com/media/cache/f7/a2/f7a29a9ce2a4077ba4df119e88eaf9c0.jpg
2016-11-18T04:39:41 < stvn> bzb brand?
2016-11-18T04:41:06 < englishman> or maybe 3 wheels is your preference http://www.gibbssports.com/media/cache/62/d6/62d6f5eb0a642f69cc23b559d5f8b629.jpg
2016-11-18T04:57:27 < ColdKeyboard> Anyone have a suggestion for VIN 75V to 5V and like >=5A ? :)
2016-11-18T04:59:38 < dongs> uh
2016-11-18T04:59:43 < dongs> the 5A is th e problem.
2016-11-18T05:00:26 < ColdKeyboard> Well, for me is that damn input voltage that is like 75V
2016-11-18T05:00:36 < dongs> 75V too
2016-11-18T05:00:46 < ColdKeyboard> I have found few of them that have like 2A and 3A... 5A is like unicorn
2016-11-18T05:01:07 < dongs> use a controller with your own 100A fets
2016-11-18T05:01:14 < dongs> and use a low-current wide Vin to power it
2016-11-18T05:01:20 < dongs> i mean, clearly at this point cost is not a problem so
2016-11-18T05:01:39 < dongs> err 100A = 100V fets srry
2016-11-18T05:02:16 < ColdKeyboard> Hmmmm... that might be interesting solution
2016-11-18T05:02:30 < ColdKeyboard> Do you have any part in mind or a manufacturer I could look up?
2016-11-18T05:03:04 < dongs> well, http://www.ti.com/product/LM5085 is just at 75V for max
2016-11-18T05:03:27 < dongs> it'll do up to 10A with external fet
2016-11-18T05:03:38 < dongs> i guess you dont even need to do separate power for that one
2016-11-18T05:03:51 < ColdKeyboard> Well input will be ~60-65V so I want to make it 75 just to make sure and to compensate with the temperature
2016-11-18T05:04:18 < dongs> hmm, 76V absmax
2016-11-18T05:04:26 < dongs> i guess its ok then?
2016-11-18T05:05:13 < dongs> http://www.ti.com/product/LM5116 will go up to 100V but needs more parts
2016-11-18T05:05:58 < ColdKeyboard> This one with 75V will do I guess.
2016-11-18T05:06:06 < dongs> yeah and it looks simple enough to implement
2016-11-18T05:06:09 < ColdKeyboard> I'll dig into the datasheet now
2016-11-18T05:06:12 < ColdKeyboard> thanks dongs!
2016-11-18T05:06:39 < dongs> automotive qualified version might be better suited for temperature stuff
2016-11-18T05:08:14 < dongs> or you can get this fucking SWEET thing in CERDIP http://www.ti.com/lit/gpn/lm5116-ht
2016-11-18T05:08:41 < ColdKeyboard> Also what is better in case I have to use two 75-5V 2A regulators, to try to concatenate them somehow or should I just have 5VA and 5VB rails?
2016-11-18T05:10:23 < dongs> well, i've done parallel'd dc/dc to get like 200mA out of a pair of 150mA boost  regulators, donno if I'd recommend doing it again but it does work
2016-11-18T05:11:15 < dirty_d> sweet, my ir decoder thing worked http://i.imgur.com/YGwuzJC.jpg
2016-11-18T05:11:26 < ColdKeyboard> How do you parallel them? Just tie them together or you put something in between?
2016-11-18T05:11:26 < dongs> jesus is that some pyGraph
2016-11-18T05:11:34 < dirty_d> gnuplot, lol
2016-11-18T05:11:35 < dongs> yeah man, just vout together
2016-11-18T05:12:35 < dongs> trying to find my old schematic for this shit
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2016-11-18T05:13:58 < dongs> oh, nope
2016-11-18T05:14:03 < dongs> it was more involved than that
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2016-11-18T05:14:13 < dongs> thier FB lines are connected, and one resistor deivider
2016-11-18T05:14:15 < dongs> for voltage setting
2016-11-18T05:15:25 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/3ywuZSC.png 
2016-11-18T05:15:40 < ColdKeyboard> Ahh I see. Because I was thinking that should work for LDO but for switching one wouldn't just shorting them up mess up the regulator V and I sensing
2016-11-18T05:16:03 < aandrew> wtf do you do your schematics in dongs
2016-11-18T05:16:08 < aandrew> that looks like total aids
2016-11-18T05:16:10 < dongs> aandrew: this is from like 2005
2016-11-18T05:16:31 < aandrew> don't you ever mock me for using eagle back then when you were using that crap
2016-11-18T05:16:36 < dongs> snort
2016-11-18T05:16:39 < dongs> eagle was still shit back then too
2016-11-18T05:16:48 < aandrew> agreed but it wasn't worse than that
2016-11-18T05:18:09 < dongs> heh
2016-11-18T05:18:44 < dongs> ColdKeyboard: anyway, it would probly work, i mean,,,,, i wouldn't do it again but it did work and didnt burn anything and about 20k of those units were shipped so i donno
2016-11-18T05:19:26 < ColdKeyboard> I'm gonna look into these separate controllers. I was looking at regulators instead of controllers. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction
2016-11-18T05:19:40 < dongs> yeah i'd say controlelr with external fet(s) is your best bet here.
2016-11-18T05:19:52 < dongs> no need to dick around with paralleling shit
2016-11-18T05:21:56 < englishman> dicktrace looked good in 2005
2016-11-18T05:22:14 < aandrew> no, diptrace had a great UI for 1995
2016-11-18T05:22:20 < aandrew> EGA represent
2016-11-18T05:25:39 < dongs> so i asked this before, didnt get any interesting reply, is tehre a stm32 flasher for stm32
2016-11-18T05:25:51 < dongs> or do I need to delve into filthy GNU code of stm32flasher.c for lunix and port it myself
2016-11-18T05:31:56 < stvn> richard scatman
2016-11-18T05:32:45 < dongs> googling "how to flash stm32 with stm32" isn't helping a lot
2016-11-18T05:33:15 < dongs> http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/117815/is-it-possible-to-program-an-stm32-with-an-arduino
2016-11-18T05:33:21 < stvn> .
2016-11-18T05:34:40 < dongs> pro stuff
2016-11-18T05:40:45 < fenugrec> dongs: can't you coerce some DFU code to do what you want
2016-11-18T05:41:23 < fenugrec> or do you mean over SWD
2016-11-18T05:41:31 < dongs> no, uart
2016-11-18T05:41:47 < dongs> https://github.com/ARMinARM/stm32flash
2016-11-18T05:41:48 < dongs> this shit
2016-11-18T05:42:09 < dongs> i guess i will just port the shit just seems like waste of time if someone did it already
2016-11-18T05:43:09 < upgrdman> what a ugly looking keyboard  http://i.imgur.com/Or3I1QC.jpg
2016-11-18T05:43:15 < fenugrec> meh, typical "someone else's port" is statistically a jumble of undocumented code that was tested on only exactly 1 setup
2016-11-18T05:43:31 < dongs> thats a given with GNU code
2016-11-18T05:43:35 < dongs> bracing for that anyway.
2016-11-18T05:43:58 < fenugrec> stm32flash doesn't look too bad ?
2016-11-18T05:46:10 < dongs> ya
2016-11-18T05:58:46 < stvn> an autistic keyboard
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2016-11-18T06:02:52 < stvn> my ex boss is going into meltdown because in 4 months i'm getting more work than he ever has
2016-11-18T06:09:40 < jadew> ffs... I spent weeks coming up with a good way of doing something, wrote it all on my whiteboard, took pictures and paused the project in the middle of implementing it. now that I want to go back on it, I can't find find the pictures...
2016-11-18T06:10:03 < jadew> *paused it for a couple of months
2016-11-18T06:10:24 < stvn> ok'
2016-11-18T06:11:56 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, that wouldn't have been a bad idea, I'm sure they're somewhere, it's just that I reinstalled my OS twice since then and I changed 2 phones
2016-11-18T06:12:15 < jadew> could be anywhere
2016-11-18T06:12:45 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-18T06:12:58 < dongs> wat
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2016-11-18T06:24:01 < stvn> http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/number-of-people-injured-in-springvale-bank-fire/news-story/dc64461eb43418e1037c5db31684ec47
2016-11-18T06:24:03 < stvn> hahahahahaha
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2016-11-18T06:37:16 < jadew> found them
2016-11-18T06:39:14 < ohsix> buns
2016-11-18T06:40:52 < jadew> now I can see why I paused it
2016-11-18T06:44:55 < jadew> nah, it's just a very complex way of locating some resources
2016-11-18T06:46:05 < jadew> I guess a half a year+ is a decent "step back" to see the problem with different eyes
2016-11-18T06:56:09 < ohsix> getting $$$
2016-11-18T06:56:25 < ohsix> lul
2016-11-18T06:57:32 < ohsix> i hope libreoffice has an invoice template
2016-11-18T06:58:23 < jadew> he's getting some money
2016-11-18T06:58:32 < jadew> from a project maybe?
2016-11-18T06:58:48 < jadew> I don't think it's sallary, because people don't usually get happy about sallary
2016-11-18T06:59:13 < jadew> well, maybe it is for buns :)
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2016-11-18T07:02:14 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/qG5sMSt.jpg
2016-11-18T07:02:50 < jadew> what's he watching?
2016-11-18T07:03:28 < upgrdman> a tv
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2016-11-18T07:07:21 < jadew> must suck
2016-11-18T07:07:42 < jadew> he's probably been on the streets for a long while if he managed to get that thing going
2016-11-18T07:07:53 < jadew> haha
2016-11-18T07:08:29 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/Aypdm.jpg
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2016-11-18T07:10:03 < upgrdman> http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/mexican-man-weighing-1100-pounds-who-hadnt-left-bed-in-six-years-removed-for-medical-treatment
2016-11-18T07:12:06 < jadew> you'd think that there's a limit to how fat you can get
2016-11-18T07:12:24 < upgrdman> smart girl  https://i.imgur.com/duM9rEr.gifv
2016-11-18T07:12:34 < jadew> your arms get so big that you burn more callories when you eat, than what you eat
2016-11-18T07:12:57 < upgrdman> jadew, and if he hasnt left bed in 6yrs, that means someone brought him enough food to keep gaining weight
2016-11-18T07:13:39 < jadew> upgrdman, yeah, that too
2016-11-18T07:13:54 < ohsix> i got enough money for my buns that i need an invoice
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2016-11-18T07:15:17 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, like not feeding him that much
2016-11-18T07:16:23 < ohsix> yea he was able to move up until pound 1099
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2016-11-18T07:17:23 < jadew> LeelooMinai, except that you notice when you need to install a wider door
2016-11-18T07:17:49 < jadew> most people would think to themselves "hmm, maybe I shoud excercise more"
2016-11-18T07:18:11 < ohsix> jadew: i've seen a few of those pulp garbage reporting on people that need cranes to move and shit, they eat like 8-12000 calories a day
2016-11-18T07:19:53 < ohsix> you still have a basal metabolic rate, but your brain stays the same size
2016-11-18T07:20:39 < ohsix> if normal was a thing, 'normal healthy' would at best be redundant
2016-11-18T07:21:44 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, if you put him on a 2000 calorie died, he's loose weight
2016-11-18T07:21:48 < jadew> LeelooMinai, don't know, I guess everyone has a particular limit that you simply don't want to cross and if you do, you start doing something about it
2016-11-18T07:21:51 < upgrdman> even if those 2000 calories are junk food
2016-11-18T07:21:51 < ohsix> put it in your butt and smoke it
2016-11-18T07:22:20 < ohsix> i wasn't talking about what other people thought you meant, and you're still probably wrong, but that it was at best redundant and normal is near meaningless in that context
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2016-11-18T07:22:39 < upgrdman> ohsix, me or leeloo?
2016-11-18T07:22:42 < ohsix> was anyone doing anything interesting we can talk about instead
2016-11-18T07:23:18 < upgrdman> this is what i can contribute to the conversation right now  http://i.imgur.com/Aypdm.jpg
2016-11-18T07:24:15 < ohsix> good one
2016-11-18T07:24:41 < ohsix> you've pretty much demonstrated inability or not being willing to read, or understand people
2016-11-18T07:24:52 < ohsix> but good one
2016-11-18T07:25:05 < ohsix> yep, it's not you
2016-11-18T07:25:15 < ohsix> good
2016-11-18T07:25:49 < ohsix> yep, putting it in my personal growth workbook
2016-11-18T07:26:09 < ohsix> 1) talk more better so this shithead on irc that won't shut the fuck up and stop taking the bait or butting in can understand me better
2016-11-18T07:26:25 < ohsix> you're literally a pain in my ass
2016-11-18T07:26:33 < ohsix> and as you, to 'other people', i have no problem
2016-11-18T07:27:07 < ohsix> yes, good to point out that it is usual, so in case people don't get it or if i'm acting differently they'll know it isn't what is usual
2016-11-18T07:27:40 < ohsix> you remember before i got sick of your shit again how easily you seemed to be able to understand me? what changed? was it me?
2016-11-18T07:27:46 < ohsix> you're making me feel insecure
2016-11-18T07:28:38 < ohsix> yea get in my suck
2016-11-18T07:28:55 < ohsix> remember this? 20:57 < LeelooMinai> I wonder if I am the only one that does not know what ohsix is talking about usually...
2016-11-18T07:29:13 < ohsix> that's when nobody was talking to you and you started some shit
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2016-11-18T07:37:21 < dongs> that picture pretty much describes o6 and leelooman
2016-11-18T07:37:24 < dongs> but i cant decide who's who
2016-11-18T07:40:58 < dongs> today i have to teach a faggot in taiwan how to use buttpirate to flash SPI flash
2016-11-18T07:41:02 < dongs> using flashrom.org
2016-11-18T07:41:05 < dongs> ..
2016-11-18T07:41:15 < dongs> all their instructions are written byt some lunix faggots
2016-11-18T07:41:18 < dongs> https://www.flashrom.org/Windows
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2016-11-18T07:41:55 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwsUjmwmBNQ
2016-11-18T07:46:03 < dongs> fuck lunix softare, for real
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2016-11-18T08:26:59 < Kliment> dongs: Just in your honor, if I ever write an SPI flash tool I'll name it SPIrate
2016-11-18T08:28:24 < ohsix> dropbox: the new way i can make 20 other peoples computer beep
2016-11-18T08:29:14 < ohsix> i had no idea there was an onboarding pyramid scheme thing
2016-11-18T08:29:21 < ohsix> not using it by choice, signed up today
2016-11-18T08:29:29 < Kliment> ohsix: "viral marketing"
2016-11-18T08:29:49 < Kliment> ohsix: All the hip startups use it, and so do crusty large companies pretending to be startups
2016-11-18T08:29:52 < ohsix> well the fackin thing won't go away until i authorize it to get all my contacts on gmail, invite someone else
2016-11-18T08:30:13 < ohsix> and all they offer is 500mb of storage for all of your information
2016-11-18T08:30:17 < Kliment> ohsix: Yeah, the only reasonable response is to get rid of it unfortunately
2016-11-18T08:30:38 < ohsix> was already using google drive fine, dunno why they aren't, will have to ask later
2016-11-18T08:30:54 < Kliment> Because dropbox is the only sensible storage method on idevices
2016-11-18T08:31:02 < ohsix> i need to find a way to tell the dropbox app to STFU when i'm not working
2016-11-18T08:31:07 < Kliment> And lots of people have those and the google integration is abysmal
2016-11-18T08:31:51 < Kliment> ohsix: Tweet at them, it's the fastest way to get support
2016-11-18T08:31:55 < ohsix> heh the dropbox app drops a html file in /tmp for the notifications, and opens it with credentials/redirect to dropbox.com
2016-11-18T08:32:26 < Kliment> ohsix: holy shit
2016-11-18T08:32:42 < Kliment> ohsix: what OS?
2016-11-18T08:32:47 < ohsix> loonix
2016-11-18T08:33:00 < ohsix> dunno why it wouldn't do the same on windows, tho
2016-11-18T08:33:21 < ohsix> calling ShellExecute instead of xdg-start
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2016-11-18T08:38:19 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op_J1fgK4Pc
2016-11-18T08:39:26 < ohsix> guys' still funny enough, but most of the videos are giveaways for his patreon
2016-11-18T08:40:27 < ohsix> winter sucks balls, i'm already bored of it
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2016-11-18T08:54:20 < Thorn> is LDO junction temp = 79°C a good idea? (max 125°C)
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2016-11-18T08:58:23 < ohsix> Thorn: great idea, but you need to make sure it stays out of danger zones over all duty cycles or whatever
2016-11-18T08:58:32 < ohsix> and prefer lower temperatures because it's just more reliable
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2016-11-18T09:02:54 < Thorn> this is only if it's being charged while in use. when battery voltage = 3.8V the temp is 49°C
2016-11-18T09:03:55 < ohsix> the answer to 'good idea' with an ldo is probably a switching regulator
2016-11-18T09:04:12 < ohsix> if the voltage delta / current is just going to a lot of heat
2016-11-18T09:05:35 < ohsix> crash course physics is great, in the blooper reel the host is all flummoxed, 'physics is great until you get to electricity'
2016-11-18T09:05:46 < ohsix> and it really is, the videos that follow are boring as
2016-11-18T09:06:28 < Kliment> Thorn: You're probably fine
2016-11-18T09:07:15 < Kliment> I wish there were more POP switching regs
2016-11-18T09:07:21 < Kliment> With the inductor on top of the IC
2016-11-18T09:08:04 < Kliment> I've only seen a handful of those, always as massively expensive preassembled modules
2016-11-18T09:21:01 < Thorn> (the 79°C figure includes 25°C ambient temp)
2016-11-18T09:21:23 < ohsix> stop, collaborate and listen
2016-11-18T09:23:17 < Kliment> Thorn: useful rule - assume 40C ambient 90% RH
2016-11-18T09:24:04 < Kliment> Thorn: a.k.a most of Brazil, southern Greece, or Australia in January
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2016-11-18T09:32:47 < ohsix> fucking hell, not having enough ram is ruining my life
2016-11-18T09:45:14 < dongs> http://bcas.tv/paste/results/i5LqRZ10.html
2016-11-18T09:46:40 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-18T09:46:50 < ohsix> you know what i did to get ignored? wasted a bunch of his time
2016-11-18T09:47:19 < ohsix> hurr flashrom is even a thing
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2016-11-18T10:00:29 < Steffanx> Dongs are you the new flyback? Reposting your own conversations? ;) "Canuck"
2016-11-18T10:01:09 < ohsix> kathud
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2016-11-18T10:02:10 < Steffanx> It is known
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2016-11-18T10:30:20 < upgrdman> ohsix, how much ram do you have?
2016-11-18T10:31:01 < ohsix> just 4, i was meaning to order more but shit came up
2016-11-18T10:40:04 < Kliment> So yesterday I was sitting in a plane that was stuck on the ground during an airport shutdown
2016-11-18T10:40:13 < Kliment> And decided to do some hardware debugging
2016-11-18T10:40:23 < Kliment> Or, rather, firmware debugging
2016-11-18T10:41:02 < Kliment> So I set up my laptop and 042 target board but didn't have a debugger with me
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2016-11-18T10:41:16 < Kliment> But luckily the board has some colorful LEDs
2016-11-18T10:41:33 < Kliment> So I mapped error codes to blink patterns
2016-11-18T10:42:22 < Kliment> It took about 20 mins before the dude sitting next to me went "you know, I know what you're doing is harmless, but there are enough idiots on this plane that have no idea what you're up to, do you really think this is a good idea?"
2016-11-18T10:43:57 < Kliment> Hehee
2016-11-18T10:44:39 < Kliment> red, and blinking
2016-11-18T10:45:28 < Kliment> Meh, this is not the US.
2016-11-18T10:45:45 < Kliment> There were arabic-speakers on the plane speaking arabic
2016-11-18T10:46:16 < Kliment> Nobody gives two shits, it's a cheap flight
2016-11-18T10:46:34 < Kliment> We spent more time sitting on the taxiway than the entire duration of the flight
2016-11-18T10:48:50 < Kliment> Note, the dude that said this to me was the same dude that was chatting with his girlfriend using mobile data the entire time.
2016-11-18T10:49:14 < Kliment> Which, unlike blinky lights, is not actually allowed on planes
2016-11-18T10:50:02 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Oh, sure
2016-11-18T10:50:18 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: I fully understand his concern, it's just that the situation was so absurd
2016-11-18T10:51:12 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: And the airport was shut down because some small private plane had a flat on the runway
2016-11-18T10:51:28 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: And apparently one of the biggest airports in Europe doesn't know how to tow a small plane
2016-11-18T10:52:06 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: After two failed attempts with the kind of towing equipment used for passenger jets, they ended up hacking together something, and spilling hydraulic oil all over the runway
2016-11-18T10:52:35 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: And then they had to clean it up, and shut down the airport, and redirect all flights
2016-11-18T10:52:42 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Berlin-Schönefeld
2016-11-18T10:52:52 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: You know, the airport where Obama landed a day before :P
2016-11-18T10:53:31 < dongs> upgrdman: like 2gb i guess
2016-11-18T10:54:11 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Why not? Almost every airport does
2016-11-18T10:54:48 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: What, Obama? I hear he has a pretty okay plane for his own private use
2016-11-18T10:54:58 < dongs> LeelooMinai: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2016-11-18T10:54:58 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Unlikely he'd use anything else
2016-11-18T10:55:28 < Steffanx> Dont bite.
2016-11-18T10:55:30 < Kliment> dongs: This is an stm32-related discussion.
2016-11-18T10:55:34 < Steffanx> :)
2016-11-18T10:55:42 < dongs> Kliment: i bet, are you discussing why obama doesnt use STM32?
2016-11-18T10:55:42 < Kliment> dongs: The whole thing that started it was me debugging an 042
2016-11-18T10:56:16 < dongs> also, just read up your debugging blog
2016-11-18T10:56:17 < dongs> and lol'd
2016-11-18T10:56:21 < Kliment> dongs: Which, you will find, is indeed an 042
2016-11-18T10:56:33 < Kliment> dongs: an stm32, that is
2016-11-18T10:56:40 < Steffanx> I wouldnt even dare debugging that on. A plane. I dont like weird faces
2016-11-18T10:57:03 < Kliment> Steffanx: I think it's important to occasionally challenge the culture of fear.
2016-11-18T10:58:25 < sync> coding on a plane also gets you the looks
2016-11-18T10:58:29 < Kliment> Steffanx: I routinely opt out of body scanners at airports by the established opt-out procedure. Last time I did that the airport people tried to explain to me how metal detectors are far more dangerous
2016-11-18T10:59:08 < Kliment> Steffanx: "You see, when people with pacemakers go through the metal detector, they die. Nobody dies when going through the body scanner."
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2016-11-18T10:59:32 < Kliment> Steffanx: "So clearly terahertz scanners are safer"
2016-11-18T11:00:28 < Kliment> Steffanx: To which I replied I don't give a shit about that, I just object to the terrible waste of public funds and massive reduction in actual detection rate since the introduction of body scanners
2016-11-18T11:01:35 < Kliment> Steffanx: But apparently for many people seeing someone opt out is the first time they find out that the body scanners are in fact subject to passenger consent in this country
2016-11-18T11:02:10 < Kliment> Steffanx: I know of exactly one airport that has posters telling people what the opt-out procedure is and that their consent is needed for an automated search
2016-11-18T11:02:48 < Kliment> Steffanx: Another airport half an hour away from that one, even the STAFF don't know what the procedure is
2016-11-18T11:03:27 < Kliment> Steffanx: So when I tried it there, they called the police, and the police happened to actually know what the law was.
2016-11-18T11:03:50 < sync> ahaha
2016-11-18T11:04:10 < Kliment> Steffanx: So as long as I can do stuff like that without major risk to myself or others, I see no reason not to.
2016-11-18T11:04:21 < Kliment> Steffanx: If it's not done now, it will end up being too late
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2016-11-18T11:21:37 < Steffanx> Hah ok :)
2016-11-18T11:33:11 < karlp> Kliment: I had a fun time opting out of the body scanners in the uk too.
2016-11-18T11:33:36 < karlp> means you get a private pat down instead, but some staff and travellers were shocked, some were like, "yep, it's all good mate"
2016-11-18T11:34:21 < Kliment> karlp: Been there, done that :)
2016-11-18T11:35:00 < Kliment> karlp: There were like two places I ever experienced where you can't effectively opt out
2016-11-18T11:35:00 < karlp> so much theatre, they were only body scanning maybe 1-2% of people randomly anyway, so fo course I decided to opt out.
2016-11-18T11:35:34 < karlp> only because I was travelling alone though, would have been different with family or agroup
2016-11-18T11:35:50 < Kliment> karlp: One, unfortunately, was amsterdam schiphol airport (which I've decided to never use anyway after they assaulted my girlfriend)
2016-11-18T11:36:32 < karlp> I've always liked schipol, but with so much traffic I think all major airports have horror stories for someone
2016-11-18T11:36:49 < karlp> I certainly prefer schipol to kamstrup
2016-11-18T11:37:16 < Kliment> karlp: They're the only European airport I've seen acting actively racist, and the only airport where anyone I know was groped so forcefully by the insecurity people that bruises developed
2016-11-18T11:38:09 < Kliment> karlp: And by actively racist I mean adjusting the body scanner every time a black person approached it
2016-11-18T11:38:58 < Kliment> karlp: It's possible I just caught them on a bad day, but the groping happened twice on separate occasions months apart
2016-11-18T11:39:29 < Kliment> karlp: So I decided they're not worth it
2016-11-18T11:39:50 < Kliment> Kastrup is not too bad as airports go
2016-11-18T11:40:08 < Kliment> It's especially a nice airport for transfers
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2016-11-18T11:42:13 < Kliment> I'd be happy to hear schiphol airport is not shithole airport anymore, but after that experience I'd really rather not fly from it again
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2016-11-18T12:01:12 < stvn> brother steffan
2016-11-18T12:04:35 < karlp> re overnight c++ chats, this is the 3dprinter guy: https://github.com/ambrop72/aprinter
2016-11-18T12:10:27 < Kliment> is that the printer firmware that is built entirely on template specializations?
2016-11-18T12:11:36 < Kliment> There are a number of c++ firmwares
2016-11-18T12:11:43 < Kliment> Ah, yes
2016-11-18T12:11:55 < Kliment> From the readme "Template metaprogramming is used to implement the abstractions efficiently. No, I do not care if the average C hacker can't read my code."
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2016-11-18T12:17:56 < Kliment> Well, I've talked to the person involved
2016-11-18T12:18:27 < Kliment> And I'll admit that he really really knows how to use templates well
2016-11-18T12:20:28 < Kliment> But yeah, code readability suffers
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2016-11-18T12:21:11 < karlp> his personality was not welcoming to any ideas beyond his preconceived solutions either.
2016-11-18T12:21:24 < karlp> so coming here and asking for help didn't go well :|
2016-11-18T12:21:30 < Kliment> Which is fine - it's his baby, he can do whatever he wants with it
2016-11-18T12:21:34 < karlp> indeed, 
2016-11-18T12:21:45 < karlp> but he was a bit hurt that we didn't adore it for it's awesomeness
2016-11-18T12:22:06 < Kliment> So is everyone who ever made a thing like that usually
2016-11-18T12:22:15 < Kliment> It's just when you sink so many hours into something...
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2016-11-18T12:26:20 < Kliment> karlp: Which reminds me, do you know of a minimal C++ project targeting any stm32? Everything I can find is either some massive RTOS-like thing or some massive library like mbed or C
2016-11-18T12:27:13 < Kliment> karlp: All my own C++ stuff is also massive, and I sometimes need to point people to something they can build on that operates on a simple makefile
2016-11-18T12:27:19 < karlp> zyp's laks is probably the smallest I've seen honestly.
2016-11-18T12:27:21 < karlp> but it's scons
2016-11-18T12:27:29 < karlp> I'm not exactly out searching for it either
2016-11-18T12:27:43 < karlp> so let me know if you find one too :)
2016-11-18T12:27:43 < Kliment> Yeah, I figured you might know something off the top of your head
2016-11-18T12:27:45 < jpa-> https://github.com/PetteriAimonen/dso-quad-logic/   i have something here, but it's not made as an example nor exactly minimal
2016-11-18T12:28:09 < Kliment> Worst case I'll have to write something I guess
2016-11-18T12:28:25 < karlp> stm32++ duino makefile + no arduino core code?
2016-11-18T12:28:42 < karlp> but you gotta get those memory register defines somewhere...
2016-11-18T12:29:02 < karlp> zyp's style seems a somewhat approachable tradeoff of folling the RM vs not having a mountain of code
2016-11-18T12:30:39 < Kliment> Heh, yesterday I needed the unique ID of a device and it took me so long looking for it in CMSIS that I ended up opening up the RM and just casting the register address to a pointer
2016-11-18T12:31:19 < Kliment> To be fair, I was under time pressure as I didn't know my plane would have a multi-hour delay
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2016-11-18T12:37:26 < 17SAALIT6> test
2016-11-18T12:37:30 < 17SAALIT6> pff
2016-11-18T12:37:32 < jpa-> fail
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2016-11-18T12:38:18 < Kerr> Test
2016-11-18T12:38:22 < Kerr> Huh
2016-11-18T12:38:26 < Kerr> That's wierd
2016-11-18T12:38:41 < Steffanx> Nein
2016-11-18T12:38:55 < Kerr> So, Uhh, I'm having trouble connecting to my STM8S103 using an stlinkv2
2016-11-18T12:39:21 < jpa-> bleh, stm8
2016-11-18T12:39:24 < Kerr> Using the stlink utility it says "Can not connect to target!"
2016-11-18T12:40:00 < Kerr> What, no love for 8bit?
2016-11-18T12:40:23 < Kerr> Seriously though, I cant connect to it. What am I doing wrong/how do I do it right
2016-11-18T12:41:08 < jpa-> try holding down reset line while connecting
2016-11-18T12:41:25 < Kerr> Negative
2016-11-18T12:41:33 < Kliment> Kerr: Heh, well the channel name does have 32 in it
2016-11-18T12:41:41 < Kliment> Kerr: Is the target powered?
2016-11-18T12:42:04 < Kerr> Yes, It's being powered by the 3.3v pin on the stlink
2016-11-18T12:42:12 < karlp> is it a real stlink?
2016-11-18T12:42:14 < Kerr> It's got a "test" led on the board, which is blinking
2016-11-18T12:42:17 < Kerr> Probably not
2016-11-18T12:42:32 < Kerr> (Test led stops blinking if I hold down the reset button)
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2016-11-18T12:45:22 < Kerr> hmm
2016-11-18T12:45:54 < Kerr> I'm not seeing anything from SWIM on the stlink, with my oscilloscope when I hit connect
2016-11-18T12:46:14 < Kerr> Is there some setting I need to change?
2016-11-18T12:46:27 < jpa-> try with the target disconnected, maybe it is pulling it down?
2016-11-18T12:48:11 < jpa-> Kerr: also, are you using a version of st-link utility that has stm8 support? i.e. not the one that says "STM32 ST-LINK Utility" on the title bar?
2016-11-18T12:49:24 < Kerr> Wat
2016-11-18T12:49:34 < Kerr> There's different utilities? Which one do I need for stm8
2016-11-18T12:49:53 < jpa-> or maybe i'm wrong.. i haven't actually used st-link with stm8
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2016-11-18T12:50:58 < jpa-> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/development-tools/software-development-tools/stm8-software-development-tools/stm8-programmers/stvp-stm8.html   maybe this one?
2016-11-18T12:51:16 < Kliment> Kerr: I've sent for help. barometz here knows their way around stm8 programming tools
2016-11-18T12:51:37 < barometz> more than most, which is not a high bar, but yes. What's up?
2016-11-18T12:51:45 < Kliment> barometz: Kerr is trying to get an stlink to connect to an stm8 target
2016-11-18T12:52:10 < jpa-> and the software he has has "STM32 ST-LINK Utility" on title bar.. should it work for stm8 or does he need a different program?
2016-11-18T12:52:26 < barometz> yeah no STM8 is all different, at least in the context I used it in
2016-11-18T12:52:27 < Kerr> and it wont. Scope shows nothing coming out of the stlink on swim pin...
2016-11-18T12:52:37 < barometz> if it's SWIM, it's definitely different
2016-11-18T12:52:52 < barometz> ST Visual Programmer for STM8 (the link just above) is definitely the tool you want
2016-11-18T12:53:45 < Kerr> So I cant use that stlink utility to connect to stm8 at all then. Explains a lot... 
2016-11-18T12:54:21 < Kerr> Well wait, "The STM32 ST-LINK utility software facilitates fast in-system programming of the stm32 and stm8 microcontroller families"...
2016-11-18T12:54:25 < barometz> o.O
2016-11-18T12:54:34 < barometz> could've sworn
2016-11-18T12:55:17 < barometz> I should note I've only used the STM8 toolkit, so any compat from other sides is hearsay and speculation. But I recommend trying it with STVP for STM8 anyway
2016-11-18T12:55:30 < Kerr> yeah download is almost done
2016-11-18T12:56:52 < Kerr> stlink utility looked cool :p
2016-11-18T12:57:02 < Kerr> installing stvd
2016-11-18T12:58:33 < Kerr> Some of St's web and software stuff has a bit of smell to it. IE when I registered it just stayed on the page. 'cause whatever. I press the button again and it gives a popup "Registration already submitted, check your email"
2016-11-18T12:58:39 < Kerr> Which made me lol.
2016-11-18T12:58:56 < Kliment> Yeah, purge your cookies to fix that
2016-11-18T12:59:37 < Kliment> Every manufacturer has broken websites, I have no idea why
2016-11-18T12:59:46 < Kerr> I mean, it didn't leave the page when I submitted the form. that's a webpage issue.
2016-11-18T13:00:16 < Kliment> ST has broken downloads, Atmel has broken parametric search, TI has broken text search
2016-11-18T13:00:47 < Kliment> Why they require registration to start with is beyond me
2016-11-18T13:01:01 < Kliment> They get a different mailinator address from me every time
2016-11-18T13:01:52 < Kerr> So can I read out the program currently on the stm8 with this utility?
2016-11-18T13:02:04 < barometz> with STVP, yeah, unless there's readout protection enabled
2016-11-18T13:02:43 < barometz> I note you said STVD above, which is a different thing (less programmer, more IDE)
2016-11-18T13:02:55 < Kerr> *stvp
2016-11-18T13:03:03 < barometz> first time you open STVP it should present a "how do you want to connect to what" dialog
2016-11-18T13:03:24 < Kerr> Yeah. What do I put in there?
2016-11-18T13:03:24 < barometz> alternatively there's a configure button next to the dropdown in the toolbar
2016-11-18T13:03:26 < dongs> sup
2016-11-18T13:03:31 < dongs> whats the topic
2016-11-18T13:03:34 < dongs> scrolling up
2016-11-18T13:03:46 < barometz> hardware -> st-link, programming mode SWIM, device -> whatever your device is
2016-11-18T13:03:48 < Kerr> Im trying to connect to an stm8 using stmlinkv2
2016-11-18T13:03:59 < dongs> yea you  need that STVD bundle
2016-11-18T13:04:05 < dongs> which comes with standalone STVP if you wanna use that to flash
2016-11-18T13:04:14 < barometz> yeah we just got past that :P
2016-11-18T13:04:29 < Kerr> So what should I try first to connect to it
2016-11-18T13:05:00 < barometz> .. just for context, you do already have the STM8 wired up, yes?
2016-11-18T13:05:11 < Kerr> Yeah
2016-11-18T13:05:30 < dongs> Kerr: so just use STVP?
2016-11-18T13:05:37 < dongs> try reading out if you dont wanna write stuff
2016-11-18T13:05:44 < barometz> in that case the st-link + usb + swim + chip options should do
2016-11-18T13:05:45 < Kerr> This one is on a minimal board. It's got two leds (power and test), a reset button, and I just finished soldering on headers
2016-11-18T13:06:07 < dongs> start stvp, if it doesnt ask for setup, goto configure->setup
2016-11-18T13:06:09 < Kerr> *how do I check that I've connected? How do I read out current program?
2016-11-18T13:06:15 < Kerr> I did those settings
2016-11-18T13:06:20 < dongs> choose ST-LINK, USB, SWIM, and your stm8 model
2016-11-18T13:06:20 < barometz> oh, the green/red buttons on the toolbar
2016-11-18T13:06:28 < barometz> with the arrows
2016-11-18T13:06:28 < dongs> yeah the green buttons 
2016-11-18T13:06:30 < dongs> or menu
2016-11-18T13:06:40 < dongs> hover over the shit to see what it does
2016-11-18T13:07:06 < barometz> STVP has four tabs for the four interesting memory areas, you can read/write them one by one or all at once
2016-11-18T13:07:20 < Kerr> STVP Cannon communicate with the tool. Wrong tool selection or check tool power supply or check that a previous session is closed
2016-11-18T13:07:28 < barometz> oh, good.
2016-11-18T13:07:30 < Kerr> *cannot
2016-11-18T13:07:45  * barometz ponders
2016-11-18T13:07:59 < jpa-> you have closed the st-link utility, right? :)
2016-11-18T13:08:13  * Kerr closes stm32 utility
2016-11-18T13:08:17 < Kliment> heh
2016-11-18T13:08:23 < Kerr> New message
2016-11-18T13:08:55 < Kerr> "Cannon communicate with the device! Check swim cable connection and check all the needed pin connections on the SWIM connector...
2016-11-18T13:09:23 < Kerr> Oh, hey, the "Test" LED stopped blinking
2016-11-18T13:09:33 < barometz> sounds like your device was successfully reset, at least
2016-11-18T13:09:56 < Kerr> And... it won't resume blinking.
2016-11-18T13:10:02 < Kerr> =D
2016-11-18T13:10:22 < barometz> I can't immediately think of a .. lemme grab the spec
2016-11-18T13:11:46 < karlp> chuck it in the bin, move to stm32 ;)
2016-11-18T13:12:08 < Kerr> I have some STM32's but I wanted to play with stm8 first
2016-11-18T13:12:24 < barometz> this suggests, speculatively, that your reset line is currently pulled low and it's at the stage of configuring SWIM_CSR
2016-11-18T13:13:01 < barometz> but the ST-LINK is not receiving any ack bits, which suggests the data line is not working properly
2016-11-18T13:13:26 < barometz> ST-LINK should take care of the pullup on there though so I'm not sure how that could be
2016-11-18T13:14:33 < Kerr> Okay
2016-11-18T13:14:49 < Kerr> I connected my osilloscope to gnd, and started looking at pins...
2016-11-18T13:15:06 < Kerr> When I touched "R5" the led would turn on
2016-11-18T13:15:21 < Kerr> when I touched it to 5V the led resumed blinking
2016-11-18T13:16:13 < barometz> that's .. not supposed to happen
2016-11-18T13:16:24  * Kerr checks for a shitty solder job
2016-11-18T13:17:29 < Kerr> No obvious solder bridges, one moment while i grab my dmm
2016-11-18T13:17:53 < Kliment> jpa-: Your C++ project does seem like a good basis for a hello world c++ setup
2016-11-18T13:18:01 < Kliment> jpa-: I'll see if I can hack one together
2016-11-18T13:18:11 < Kliment> jpa-: Can you tell me anything about the linker scripts?
2016-11-18T13:18:40 < akawolf> this is magic
2016-11-18T13:18:44 < akawolf> no need to know more
2016-11-18T13:18:50 < dongs> lunix linker scripts
2016-11-18T13:19:03 < Kliment> akawolf: jpa- appears to have 4 linker scripts that are identical
2016-11-18T13:19:12 < akawolf> ah..
2016-11-18T13:19:13 < Kliment> akawolf: I'm wondering what the motivation is
2016-11-18T13:19:15 < jpa-> Kliment: well the linker scripts there are customized for DSO Quad memory layout; wouldn't be of use elsewhere
2016-11-18T13:19:30 < jpa-> dso quad has 4 memory slots, those 4 scripts have different addresses
2016-11-18T13:19:35 < Kliment> Oh, I see
2016-11-18T13:20:18 < Kliment> akawolf: In cases like that I'd rather understand what's happening rather than wave it away as magic
2016-11-18T13:20:32 < Kerr> Huh, interesting
2016-11-18T13:20:45 < akawolf> yeah, I though u just asking too common thing =)
2016-11-18T13:20:50 < Kerr> My oscilloscope shows 300Kohm between the leads, according to my DMM
2016-11-18T13:21:11 < Kerr> Less than I expected
2016-11-18T13:21:22 < Kliment> Kerr: Yes, if that's too low and affecting your circuit, a common workaround is to switch the probe to 10x mode
2016-11-18T13:21:39  * Kerr has no 10X probe
2016-11-18T13:21:40 < jpa-> should be 1Mohm for most scopes
2016-11-18T13:21:46 < Kerr> It's a DS nano
2016-11-18T13:21:49 < jpa-> unless this is dso nano or othe.. yeah
2016-11-18T13:21:55 < Kerr> lol
2016-11-18T13:23:34 < Kerr> Okay, "The device is protected"
2016-11-18T13:23:48 < barometz> ha
2016-11-18T13:23:52 < Kerr> 'Scope being plugged in may have caused issues
2016-11-18T13:24:04 < Kerr> So... How does one remove the protection lol
2016-11-18T13:24:11 < jpa-> by "erase chip"
2016-11-18T13:24:15 < Kliment> I'm so glad barometz is here :)
2016-11-18T13:24:17 < Kerr> also, WTF IT'S PROTECTED?
2016-11-18T13:24:28 < barometz> if it is actually readout-protected you can remove that but it'll wipe the chip
2016-11-18T13:24:50 < Kerr> What big secret does the blink program for the $1 board hold
2016-11-18T13:25:32 < Kerr> They probably stored low rez CP in it. A brilliant smuggling scheme.
2016-11-18T13:25:39  * Kerr presses erase chip
2016-11-18T13:25:57 < Kliment> Kerr: For your safety and comfort, we've installed protection devices on all our products. If you need to program our, sorry, your, devices, please contact the nearest brain, oops, chip reprogramming station.
2016-11-18T13:26:18 < stvn> hehehehe
2016-11-18T13:27:17  * Kerr cant find the correct erase chip button
2016-11-18T13:28:36 < Kerr> The buttons in the erase tab are blanked out
2016-11-18T13:28:54 < Kerr> Hitting "Program" gets me the same protected message
2016-11-18T13:30:21 < Kliment> Does it correctly identify your chip?
2016-11-18T13:31:30 < Kerr> Where do I see that
2016-11-18T13:31:45 < Kerr> barometz: How do I erase/disable protection?
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2016-11-18T13:39:35 < Kerr> BRB rebooting
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2016-11-18T13:43:01 < Kerr-A> Back
2016-11-18T13:43:17 < Kerr-A> So... I still can't figure out how to erase.
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2016-11-18T13:58:04 < barometz> Kerr-A: sorry, I was out for lunch
2016-11-18T13:58:25 < barometz> Kerr-A: in the option bytes tab there should be an item called ROP or read-out protection
2016-11-18T13:58:50 < barometz> flip that to off, write option bytes to device
2016-11-18T13:59:43 < barometz> depending on the device the option bytes may be in an inconsistent state after that (factory default is not always all zeroes) and I don't recall for sure how STVP deals with that, it might automatically restore them
2016-11-18T14:01:07 < Kerr-A> Gah. So write out JUST the option bytes
2016-11-18T14:01:26 < Kerr-A> A read results in the option bytes I had set, and everything else is 00
2016-11-18T14:01:30 < Kerr-A> TYVM
2016-11-18T14:10:08 < karlp> bleh, had a late night panic a few weeks ago, realised the connectors between two pcbs were going to be inverted.
2016-11-18T14:10:22 < karlp> adjustd them before sending off.  now find out they were right before hand.
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2016-11-18T14:31:16 < kakimir> jpa-: what was the diff between original and your version?
2016-11-18T14:31:42 < kakimir> do you have spare boards and components?
2016-11-18T14:32:09 < kakimir> *and/or/and some of
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2016-11-18T14:50:02 < kakimir> https://i.imgur.com/LYLp2vS.jpg Laurenceb 
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2016-11-18T14:55:17 < kakimir> https://i.imgur.com/LYLp2vS.jpg Laurenceb_
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2016-11-18T15:05:02 < Kerr-A> So I've successfully put a blink program onto the stm8 :)
2016-11-18T15:05:47 < kakimir> what you plan to do?
2016-11-18T15:06:10 < Kerr-A> Could someone point me in the direction I need to go to understand the hardware registers? I have the datasheet, but "Port B Output data latch register" doesn't explain to me what that DOES
2016-11-18T15:06:17 < Kerr-A> At the moment? Play around.
2016-11-18T15:07:02 < Kerr-A> I have a distant project in mind, but for now I want to learn more about using the chip
2016-11-18T15:08:40 < kakimir> it's a latch
2016-11-18T15:08:48 < kakimir> propably
2016-11-18T15:09:05 < Kerr-A> What is a latch
2016-11-18T15:09:21 < Kerr-A> I need more general knowledge
2016-11-18T15:11:02 < kakimir> it probably just toggles output when you write 1 there
2016-11-18T15:11:16 < kakimir> 1to0 and 0to1
2016-11-18T15:11:36 < kakimir> why you use stm8?
2016-11-18T15:13:06 < Kerr-A> Cheap?
2016-11-18T15:13:14 < Kerr-A> I have some stm32 boards as well
2016-11-18T15:13:35 < Kerr-A> But wanted to play around with stm8 first because... fun?
2016-11-18T15:14:30 < Kerr-A> "It probably just toggles output when you write 1 there" - How do I fnd that out? what document? or what book? etc?
2016-11-18T15:14:57 < kakimir> how cheap?
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2016-11-18T15:15:46 < zyp> Kerr-A, for stm32, all registers are documented in the reference manual
2016-11-18T15:16:06 < zyp> stm8 would have something similar, but I've never used it so I don't know how its docmentation is structured
2016-11-18T15:16:46 < Kerr-A> kakimir: I bought a few already on boards for ~$1
2016-11-18T15:17:06 < Kerr-A> kakimir: And the chips themselves for as low as ~$.25
2016-11-18T15:17:15 < kakimir> kay
2016-11-18T15:17:40 < kakimir> can't then tell you to buy silicon labs 8052 chips
2016-11-18T15:18:59 < kakimir> full blown chips for around that 20euro cents
2016-11-18T15:19:06 < kakimir> adc, two timers etc.
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2016-11-18T15:25:08 < Kerr-A> So lets say I'm on stm32, and want to learn what all the registers do, what document am i looking for
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2016-11-18T15:26:43 < jpa-> Kerr-A: e.g. for STM32F103 you would take "STM32F103 Reference Manual"
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2016-11-18T15:32:12 < Kerr-A> Thats it
2016-11-18T15:32:13 < Kerr-A> ty
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2016-11-18T17:41:42 < dongs> how the fuck do you change layers in eagle
2016-11-18T17:41:44 < dongs> holy fucking cocks
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2016-11-18T17:42:46 < dongs> o wait i can just import that shit into altidumb
2016-11-18T17:42:49 < Laurenceb> left hand menu
2016-11-18T17:42:53 < Laurenceb> lul
2016-11-18T17:43:00 < dongs> left cock menu where
2016-11-18T17:43:09 < Laurenceb> working on your arduino amirite?
2016-11-18T17:48:31 < Laurenceb> https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9895823&cid=53313557
2016-11-18T17:48:41 < Laurenceb> muricans btfo
2016-11-18T17:48:50 < ReadErr> all black dix
2016-11-18T17:50:24 < Kliment> dongs: middle-click to change layer
2016-11-18T17:50:53 < Kliment> dongs: Or click the layer name in the top left corner
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2016-11-18T18:04:04 < ReadErr> eagle has the most un-intuitive interface ever 
2016-11-18T18:04:11 < ReadErr> so does kicad 
2016-11-18T18:04:27 < ReadErr> im not sure why they havent invested time into make them logical and useful
2016-11-18T18:09:57 < zyp> maybe you should invest time in making yourself logical and useful
2016-11-18T18:11:40 < ReadErr> well, other programs I could figure out without too much rtfm
2016-11-18T18:11:52 < ReadErr> I click on shit and it does something that makes sense
2016-11-18T18:12:05 < dongs> Kliment: the fuck is middle click
2016-11-18T18:12:06 < dongs> is this lunix?!?!
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2016-11-18T18:15:13 < karlp> push the wheel :)
2016-11-18T18:15:26 < karlp> or, oddly, leave the partr floating aroudn under your mouse and use the drop down. 
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2016-11-18T18:15:46 < karlp> it's odd and german, but it works
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2016-11-18T18:51:19 < Laurenceb> reeeee scientific publishing
2016-11-18T18:51:28 < Laurenceb> how do they manage to break everything
2016-11-18T18:55:51 < Laurenceb> resized all my eps graphics without resizing the text
2016-11-18T18:56:02 < Laurenceb> do these guys know how to do layout or now
2016-11-18T18:56:04 < Laurenceb> *not
2016-11-18T18:56:27 < kakimir> what does reeee mean?
2016-11-18T18:56:47 < Laurenceb> http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/952/664/4b6.jpg
2016-11-18T18:57:14 < kakimir> are you frog man Laurenceb 
2016-11-18T18:57:32 < Laurenceb> yes
2016-11-18T18:57:37 < Laurenceb> thats me right now
2016-11-18T18:58:04 < Laurenceb> respond to eachof the below queries by digitally marking this PDF using Adobe Reader
2016-11-18T18:58:09 < Laurenceb> WTFUYuuuuu
2016-11-18T18:58:26 < Laurenceb> why dont they just use github or something like a sane person
2016-11-18T18:58:50 < Kliment> Laurenceb: It's a publisher. They're literally satan.
2016-11-18T18:59:04 < Laurenceb> stick eps and latex source on their repo then i can submit the fixes
2016-11-18T18:59:16 < Laurenceb> Kliment: yeah 
2016-11-18T18:59:47 < Laurenceb> now the font sizes change by a factor of about 3
2016-11-18T18:59:57 < Laurenceb> in what world did they think this was a good idea
2016-11-18T19:00:40 < Laurenceb> just open the eps files with text editor and change font size definitions at head of file already
2016-11-18T19:00:55 < englishman> don't these places have a latex template you can import, done
2016-11-18T19:05:14 < Laurenceb> yes but graphics has to be eps
2016-11-18T19:05:26 < Laurenceb> maybe I can overlay text using latex
2016-11-18T19:05:49 < Laurenceb> but they tend to get pissed off by use of shit like that
2016-11-18T19:06:16 < BrainDamage> i usually make images in ipe and export to eps
2016-11-18T19:06:45 < Laurenceb> I'd like to know if there is a solution to this problem
2016-11-18T19:07:00 < Laurenceb> graphics format that lets then piss about without font size changing
2016-11-18T19:07:28 < Laurenceb> lul maybe some sort of embedded postscript haxoring would make it possible
2016-11-18T19:07:31 < Laurenceb> i dunno lol
2016-11-18T19:10:18 < Laurenceb> slashdot delivers again https://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9898593&cid=53314921
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2016-11-18T19:15:32 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/h5ua2FP.png today's assburger STM32 project
2016-11-18T19:15:36 < englishman> give them a .docx
2016-11-18T19:16:16 < Steffanx> Titty flasher?
2016-11-18T19:16:17 < Laurenceb> top kek
2016-11-18T19:16:20 < Laurenceb> docx
2016-11-18T19:16:35 < dongs> only faggots use shit like EPS and LATEX
2016-11-18T19:16:44 < dongs> everyone knows all pro documents are made in docx and xlsx
2016-11-18T19:16:46 < Steffanx> Agrees
2016-11-18T19:16:51 < Steffanx> d
2016-11-18T19:17:00 < Laurenceb> ^ poes law
2016-11-18T19:17:14 < kakimir> dongs: what is that shit?
2016-11-18T19:17:24 < dongs> kakimir: isnt it obvious
2016-11-18T19:17:46 < kakimir> no
2016-11-18T19:17:58 < kakimir> it says flasher
2016-11-18T19:18:11 < dongs> rite
2016-11-18T19:18:41 < kakimir> but it doesn't say what shit it flashes
2016-11-18T19:18:48 < dongs> STM32s
2016-11-18T19:19:11 < Laurenceb> young ladies
2016-11-18T19:19:18 < kakimir> why you have all them connectors?
2016-11-18T19:20:07 < kakimir> both spi and uart
2016-11-18T19:20:36 < dongs> because it flashes both
2016-11-18T19:21:32 < kakimir> but it doesn have reset
2016-11-18T19:21:35 < Laurenceb> https://i.redd.it/eez4t414eayx.png
2016-11-18T19:22:06 < kakimir> or whatever stm32 requires for entering isp
2016-11-18T19:23:27 < dongs> Laurenceb: lolwat
2016-11-18T19:23:37 < Laurenceb> Assange confirmed dead
2016-11-18T19:23:43 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereIsAssange/
2016-11-18T19:25:31 < kakimir> is he?
2016-11-18T19:25:43 < Laurenceb>  *x-files music starts*
2016-11-18T19:25:49 < dongs> trump did assange?
2016-11-18T19:26:25 < kakimir> probably
2016-11-18T19:26:37 < BrainDamage> anyone can write that
2016-11-18T19:27:18 < Laurenceb> https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/5/52/Trolling101.png/350px-Trolling101.png
2016-11-18T19:27:30 < Laurenceb> text done by journal publishers
2016-11-18T19:30:05 < englishman> are you trying to publish an article about trolling on the internet
2016-11-18T19:30:34 < Laurenceb> lolprobably
2016-11-18T19:35:55 < ReadErr> Laurenceb: confirmed dead where?
2016-11-18T19:36:05 < ReadErr> same shit as yesterday and days before
2016-11-18T19:36:21 < Laurenceb> I'm trollin
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2016-11-18T19:37:35 < Tectu> zyp, ping
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2016-11-18T19:43:03 < zyp> Tectu, hi
2016-11-18T19:43:34 < Tectu> zyp, you worked with boost::spirit before, no?
2016-11-18T19:43:47 < zyp> yeah
2016-11-18T19:44:20 < Tectu> I'm in need to create meta models and generate code off of those. Is that usable for that? Afaik C++ is not really great for that task anyway, right?
2016-11-18T19:44:49 < zyp> I've only used the parsing part, not the generation part
2016-11-18T19:45:55 < Tectu> any other recommendations for that?
2016-11-18T19:46:42 < zyp> dunno
2016-11-18T19:50:23 < BrainDamage> did you give up on PCRE?
2016-11-18T19:50:45 < Steffanx> pcre does not create code does it?
2016-11-18T19:50:52 < BrainDamage> nope
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2016-11-18T19:51:18 < BrainDamage> howrever it can generate a parser object you can serialize and save
2016-11-18T19:51:26 < Steffanx> You weren't suppoed to answer that :P
2016-11-18T19:51:30 < Steffanx> supposed
2016-11-18T19:52:37 < BrainDamage> sorry mommy, next time i'll ask for permission
2016-11-18T19:53:43 < Steffanx> :p
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2016-11-18T20:43:17 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LpCEwSfA0s
2016-11-18T20:43:44 < englishman> hey Thorn 
2016-11-18T20:43:49 < englishman> you were asking about junction temp?
2016-11-18T20:43:56 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/EZhYxOm.jpg
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2016-11-18T20:44:45 < Thorn> my calculated temp is going to be 80C
2016-11-18T20:45:03 < Thorn> I'm wondering if I should use a different ldo
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2016-11-18T20:48:40 < BrainDamage> what's the max?
2016-11-18T20:48:50 < BrainDamage> 120?
2016-11-18T20:49:07 < Thorn> 125
2016-11-18T20:49:56 < BrainDamage> should be ok, remember that you want at least 20-30°C headroom from the max when you add enclosures and ambient temp variation
2016-11-18T20:50:08 < BrainDamage> read: it should't fuck up like routers in the summer
2016-11-18T20:50:24 < qyx> uh, what current and voltage difference?
2016-11-18T20:51:19 < Thorn> 4.2-3.3 (when charging) and 235mA
2016-11-18T20:51:45 < Thorn> 0.211W dissipation, 255C/W junction-ambient
2016-11-18T20:52:06 < BrainDamage> no pcb heatsink?
2016-11-18T20:52:10 < qyx> quite a luxury to dissipate 0.2W in a battery powered device
2016-11-18T20:52:18 < qyx> no smps possible?
2016-11-18T20:52:21 < Thorn> it's sot23
2016-11-18T20:52:30 < Thorn> smps is too expensive
2016-11-18T20:52:38 < qyx> mhm
2016-11-18T20:53:11 < qyx> you could use some in a dfn package
2016-11-18T20:53:13 < qyx> or similar
2016-11-18T20:53:27 < Thorn> dfn has MUCH lower thermal resistance
2016-11-18T20:53:36 < Thorn> the same part
2016-11-18T20:53:42 < Kliment> of course
2016-11-18T20:53:51 < Kliment> Giant thermal pad bottom of device
2016-11-18T20:53:58 < Thorn> I'm pretty sure the assembly guy will flip out though
2016-11-18T20:54:15 < qyx> then dpak maybe
2016-11-18T20:54:30 < qyx> if it is not too big
2016-11-18T20:54:48 < Thorn> I'm looking at a dpak regulator, it doesn't have shutdown input though
2016-11-18T20:56:09 < Kliment> Why would your assembly guy flip out at a package that self-aligns mich better than a SOT23
2016-11-18T20:57:51 < Thorn> dunno he was very relieved to learn that the 32-pin stm32 will have 0.8mm pitch instead of 0.5mm
2016-11-18T20:59:06 < qyx> I tend to like qfn48 more than qfp48 for example
2016-11-18T20:59:10 < Kliment> That is a legitimate concern
2016-11-18T20:59:17 < qyx> it self aligns nicely and there are no bridges
2016-11-18T20:59:27 < Kliment> QFNs are only annoying if you need to probe a pin
2016-11-18T20:59:34 < Thorn> do you use stencils?
2016-11-18T20:59:37 < qyx> no
2016-11-18T21:00:00 < qyx> tin pads, apply flux, hot air
2016-11-18T21:00:14 < Kliment> I use stencils
2016-11-18T21:00:58 < Thorn> qyx: so not even paste?
2016-11-18T21:02:00 < qyx> no, without
2016-11-18T21:02:13 < Thorn> interesting
2016-11-18T21:02:23 < qyx> if the center pad is not needed, I use longer pads and iron
2016-11-18T21:02:31 < qyx> and drag solder it like a qfp
2016-11-18T21:02:53 < qyx> alternatively you can make a big via in the center of the pad (~1mm)
2016-11-18T21:02:56 < qyx> and solder it from the bottom
2016-11-18T21:05:43 < Kliment> I get to hotair some QFNs monday
2016-11-18T21:06:16 < Kliment> I typically reflow but these are going on a board that's already populated because customer decided the cheaper assembly variant was not adequate after all
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2016-11-18T21:27:28 < Thorn> does DFN thermal resistance assume center pad connected to ground plane with vias? (how many vias) (nothing in datasheet)
2016-11-18T21:28:04 < qyx> it is usually noted in the datasheet
2016-11-18T21:29:51 < Kliment> I've not seen in on any parts with dissipation below 3/4W or so
2016-11-18T21:30:21 < Kliment> They sometimes specify PCB area, but only parts with large dissipation specify vias
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2016-11-18T22:27:37 < decimad> are there any documents about just how much the stm32 pll can tolerate?
2016-11-18T22:28:16 < decimad> change in frequency, jitter, etc.
2016-11-18T22:31:23 < karlp> well, it can run off the HSI at -10+4% change over temp so....
2016-11-18T22:32:09 < decimad> and hsi is really bad on short intervals too
2016-11-18T22:32:18 < decimad> yeah... but no numbers^^
2016-11-18T22:32:42 < decimad> I should characterize hsi for a safe border ;)
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2016-11-18T22:46:35 < Steffanx> poor boy.
2016-11-18T22:46:50 < Steffanx> *Hi R2COM
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2016-11-18T22:55:23 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKMlRNT0FjZHZQZ1E/view?usp=sharing lab mods
2016-11-18T23:00:09 < kakimir> now I just need to upgrade from 8 sockets to 12 sockets
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2016-11-19T00:36:08 < upgrdman> i need to gate a 24VDC rail. would use a p-mosfet, but most have a Vg limits of +/-20V, so i cant just pull gate to ground. any tips?
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2016-11-19T00:49:58 < kakimir> pair it with nmos and drive nmos
2016-11-19T00:50:09 < kakimir> also
2016-11-19T00:50:22 < kakimir> you need zener and resistor
2016-11-19T00:50:29 < kakimir> or two
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2016-11-19T01:48:23 < dongs> relay
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2016-11-19T02:04:07 < Laurenceb_> lul @ Trump university
2016-11-19T02:04:24 < Laurenceb_>  "The unlocking of the secrets of Trumps success was not revealed as claimed"
2016-11-19T02:04:29 < Laurenceb_> I think it was
2016-11-19T02:04:33 < Laurenceb_> cuz they got scammed
2016-11-19T02:08:57 < Laurenceb_> they should set up Zano and Emdrive "universities"
2016-11-19T02:10:06 < dongs> they actually had, literally, zano university
2016-11-19T02:10:21 < dongs> where they posted a bunch of videos of how you'd be flying zano
2016-11-19T02:10:25 < Laurenceb_> lul it was one of the mental shits on their website
2016-11-19T02:10:30 < Laurenceb_> epin trawl
2016-11-19T02:10:31 < dongs> after spending months sperging about how it would "fly itself"
2016-11-19T02:10:42 < dongs> and suddenly it needed a "university" to learn how to fly
2016-11-19T02:10:44 < Laurenceb_> that might still be worth trying
2016-11-19T02:10:55 < Laurenceb_>  - obstacle shit
2016-11-19T02:12:10 < Laurenceb_> maybe cameras I dunno lol
2016-11-19T02:14:49 < Laurenceb_> actually
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2016-11-19T02:15:07 < Laurenceb_> the drone has to move towards the obstacles to collide
2016-11-19T02:15:19 < Laurenceb_> so maybe single camera with 360degree mirror thing
2016-11-19T02:15:27 < Laurenceb_> shit this has already been done
2016-11-19T02:15:35 < Laurenceb_> ppl stealing my ideaz
2016-11-19T02:16:23 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qah8oIzCwk
2016-11-19T02:16:54 < Laurenceb_> basic keypoint tracking then position estimation using existing imu data
2016-11-19T02:17:16 < Laurenceb_> still enough to hammer a processor :( guessing they used fpga
2016-11-19T02:19:39 < dongs> i bet they used lunix
2016-11-19T02:19:42 < dongs> and rageberrypi
2016-11-19T02:20:15 < dongs> lol  2x quadcore cpus
2016-11-19T02:21:03 < Laurenceb_> wow even worse than I guessed
2016-11-19T02:22:12 < Laurenceb_> I know some PhDs who were working on FPGA keypoint tracker
2016-11-19T02:22:46 < Laurenceb_> but that used a massive heatsink for 15fps
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2016-11-19T02:23:57 < Laurenceb_> ooh I know
2016-11-19T02:24:09 < Laurenceb_> ST proximity sensors
2016-11-19T02:25:52 < Laurenceb_> http://www.st.com/content/st_com/en/products/imaging-and-photonics-solutions/proximity-sensors/vl53l0x.html
2016-11-19T02:27:29 < bertrik> nice
2016-11-19T02:28:54 < bertrik> a coworker is playing with a dwm1000, a bit like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECUdwzs8Sc8 I guess, about E23 on digikey
2016-11-19T02:29:27 < bertrik> it's some kind of UWB radio thing
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2016-11-19T02:30:11 < Laurenceb_> only 50cm outdoor range at 30hz
2016-11-19T02:30:14 < Laurenceb_> not very good
2016-11-19T02:30:26 < Laurenceb_> ah yeah maybe radar lol
2016-11-19T02:30:30 < Laurenceb_> seems overkill
2016-11-19T02:31:08 < Laurenceb_> ooh I know
2016-11-19T02:31:13 < Laurenceb_> 24Ghz radar modules
2016-11-19T02:31:23 < sync> the decawave stuff is pretty cool
2016-11-19T02:31:43 < Laurenceb_> would help if I had a clue how well 24Ghz reflects from plants :P
2016-11-19T02:33:19 < Laurenceb_> https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/image-from-sandias-system.png
2016-11-19T02:33:26 < Laurenceb_> looks good enough for a drone
2016-11-19T02:34:47 < Laurenceb_> apparently thats ~10Ghz, so 24 should be better
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2016-11-19T02:36:24 < Laurenceb_> time for "arduanticrash"
2016-11-19T02:36:35 < Laurenceb_> it can be utterly shit but who cares
2016-11-19T02:36:47 < Laurenceb_> the Trump university of products
2016-11-19T02:37:03 < Laurenceb_>  "how does it work?" "Well it moves money from your bank account to mine"
2016-11-19T02:40:04 < Laurenceb_> pity the modules dont have a modulation inpuit
2016-11-19T02:40:36 < sync> lol I like how you can see overloading in spots
2016-11-19T02:43:12 < Laurenceb_> aha https://www.rfbeam.ch/product?id=1
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2016-11-19T02:43:44 < Laurenceb_> shit I should make this already
2016-11-19T02:45:25 < Laurenceb_> it would probably take 5 of them to make a useful system :S
2016-11-19T02:45:47 < Laurenceb_> one looking down for altitude then 4 for 360degree coverage
2016-11-19T02:46:16 < Laurenceb_> I guess ~200mA on a drone isnt too bad
2016-11-19T02:47:02 < bertrik> I have two of those 24 GHz doppler radar modules with IQ output, the IQ allows you to tell if something is moving towards you or away from you
2016-11-19T02:47:24 < bertrik> but you can only sense movement, not distance
2016-11-19T02:47:49 < aandrew> I'm actually working on a neat project
2016-11-19T02:48:04 < aandrew> high precision magnetic position tracking
2016-11-19T02:48:13 < aandrew> current implementation is on SHARC but that's changing fast
2016-11-19T02:48:30 < Laurenceb_> bertrik: those one I linked have modulatino input
2016-11-19T02:48:34 < sync> that is like a solved problem aandrew?
2016-11-19T02:48:40 < Laurenceb_> so you can do distance and speed
2016-11-19T02:48:42 < sync> just buy rsh encoders
2016-11-19T02:49:02 < Laurenceb_> annoyingly it might get confised if moving over a flatish surface at high horizontal speed
2016-11-19T02:49:07 < Laurenceb_> *confused
2016-11-19T02:49:27 < Laurenceb_> wait no
2016-11-19T02:49:46 < Laurenceb_> you can do trig from the object speed to work out how high it is
2016-11-19T02:50:02 < Laurenceb_> so yeah ~5 sensors +stm32f3 perhaps
2016-11-19T02:50:13 < Laurenceb_> zano btfo
2016-11-19T02:50:23 < aandrew> that's an interesting little module
2016-11-19T02:50:30 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: position as in rotors or imu?
2016-11-19T02:50:53 < aandrew> position as in accurate location within space
2016-11-19T02:51:11 < Laurenceb_> as in orientation or 3d location?
2016-11-19T02:51:16 < aandrew> both
2016-11-19T02:51:19 < aandrew> position and orientation
2016-11-19T02:51:19 < Laurenceb_> ...ok
2016-11-19T02:51:24 < Laurenceb_> how the heck??
2016-11-19T02:51:35 < Laurenceb_> active coils or something?
2016-11-19T02:51:46 < aandrew> 3 coils on the tx side, 6 coils (2 receivers) on the receiver side
2016-11-19T02:51:47 < aandrew> yes
2016-11-19T02:51:51 < aandrew> very active :-)
2016-11-19T02:52:51 < Laurenceb_> oh nice
2016-11-19T02:52:59 < aandrew> http://www.ascension-tech.com <-- that's their DC field version, new version is tiny in comparison
2016-11-19T02:53:01 < Laurenceb_> just coils, very funky
2016-11-19T02:53:47 < aandrew> yes
2016-11-19T02:53:58 < aandrew> working on something new with IMU fusion but can't talk much about that
2016-11-19T02:54:07 < Laurenceb_> top secret :P
2016-11-19T02:54:35 < aandrew> good news is my contract is extended another 6 months which gets me through the shitty january-march period
2016-11-19T02:54:39  * Laurenceb_ was thinking about evil guidance systems for weapons
2016-11-19T02:54:53 < Laurenceb_> currently I'm trying to clone the type-63 rocket 
2016-11-19T02:54:58 < Laurenceb_> scaled down a _lot_
2016-11-19T02:55:04 < aandrew> what's a type 63 rocket?
2016-11-19T02:55:08 < aandrew> googling is for those who aren't lazy
2016-11-19T02:55:17 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_63_multiple_rocket_launcher
2016-11-19T02:55:27 < dongs> when will GCHQ visit you
2016-11-19T02:55:54 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-11-19T02:55:56 < aandrew> hm, looks like something you could miniaturize in NERF
2016-11-19T02:56:35 < Laurenceb_> http://www.modelrockets.co.uk/shop/klima-model-rocket-motors/d3-six-pack-18mm-rocket-glidercar-motor-p-3310.html
2016-11-19T02:56:50 < Laurenceb_> I'm trying to miniaturize it with those
2016-11-19T02:56:57 < Laurenceb_> for launch from a balloon
2016-11-19T02:57:10 < Laurenceb_> was randomly thinking about adding guidance :P
2016-11-19T02:57:13 < aandrew> I gotta get my rocketlogger project moved ahead
2016-11-19T02:57:24 < aandrew> my boys loved launching those little RTF things
2016-11-19T02:58:11 < aandrew> and we're right across the street from a college with a huge parking lot
2016-11-19T02:58:19 < aandrew> so really good place to launch them
2016-11-19T02:59:12 < Laurenceb_> spin stabilised rockets a pretty hard to diy
2016-11-19T03:00:39 < Laurenceb_> but I've been giving it a try
2016-11-19T03:01:47 < sync> Laurenceb_: can't you do it aerodynamically?
2016-11-19T03:02:08 < Laurenceb_> sync: not at close to 40km
2016-11-19T03:02:16 < Laurenceb_> theres just not enough air
2016-11-19T03:02:38 < sync> ah your shitty baloon launched stuff :P
2016-11-19T03:03:06 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-11-19T03:05:15  * Laurenceb_ zzz
2016-11-19T03:05:35 < aandrew> that would be very cool to play with
2016-11-19T03:05:42 < aandrew> you'd need a lot of room to try to perfect the algos
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2016-11-19T03:55:37 < upgrdman> lol, so this is a thing https://www.amazon.com/PancakeBot-PNKB01BK-Food-Printer-Black/dp/B00VU3HUCW/?th=1
2016-11-19T04:01:00 < decimad> that thing needs a tv ad on superbowl, where it show's humans history, technological breakthroughs and everything, culminating into this pancake make
2016-11-19T04:01:05 < decimad> maker
2016-11-19T04:02:01 < decimad> currently we're stuck with tofu
2016-11-19T04:04:58 < upgrdman> anyone use NiZN cells? they legit?  https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-rechargeable-battery-aa-1500mah-nizn-1-6v.html
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2016-11-19T05:13:03 < dongs> huh
2016-11-19T05:13:04 < dongs> neat.
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2016-11-19T06:25:45 < englishman> upgrdman: old tech, iirc there was some company selling them as AA replacements
2016-11-19T06:26:15 < englishman> theres some problem that made them unusable as nimh/alkaline replacements
2016-11-19T06:28:39 < upgrdman> bummer
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2016-11-19T06:30:49 < englishman> tbh if you want rechargeable AAs just get eneloops
2016-11-19T06:30:52 < englishman> shits good
2016-11-19T06:30:56 < englishman> even AAAs
2016-11-19T06:31:06 < upgrdman> ya i have eneloops and like them
2016-11-19T06:31:46 < upgrdman> but i have a few things that shit-the-bed when cells get <1.3V so NiMH wont last
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2016-11-19T06:35:21 < upgrdman> fucking hell. rare bug where NaN propagate and fuck my shit code up. now that i've added assloads of conditional breakpoints, bug's in hiding.
2016-11-19T06:54:01 < jadew> js?
2016-11-19T07:10:36 < ohsix> sup
2016-11-19T07:10:53 < ohsix> Steffanx: forgot gps guy, will do asap, laptop being dum
2016-11-19T07:24:07 < upgrdman> jadew, java
2016-11-19T07:24:11 < upgrdman> figured it out tho
2016-11-19T07:24:36 < upgrdman> Math.log10(0.0) returns -Infinity ... forgot about that :)
2016-11-19T07:25:21 < upgrdman> so i "fixed it" with: foo = Math.nextUp(foo); double bar = Math.log10(foo);
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2016-11-19T08:04:18 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Hey cool
2016-11-19T08:04:26 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: HOw did you make that happen?
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2016-11-19T08:06:46 < Kliment> Haha rust users call themselves rustaceans?
2016-11-19T08:07:45 < Kliment> It's in the thing you linked
2016-11-19T08:08:37 < Kliment> Cool stuff
2016-11-19T08:08:59 < Kliment> Well, of course
2016-11-19T08:09:05 < Kliment> It's the official channel
2016-11-19T08:13:51 < Kliment> Wow this is a really good guide
2016-11-19T08:14:16 < Kliment> Easily the best language-specific explanation of linker scripts I've ever seen
2016-11-19T08:14:25 < Kliment> Wish I had one on that level for C++
2016-11-19T08:15:08 < dongs> why would anyone WISH to have linker scripts.
2016-11-19T08:15:56 < Kliment> dongs: Because you want to put shit where you need it?
2016-11-19T08:16:12 < dongs> i've been doing that just fine with keil?
2016-11-19T08:16:32 < dongs> i mean
2016-11-19T08:16:41 < dongs> i had a project where i had about 300k of static shit in top of the flash
2016-11-19T08:16:50 < dongs> that I didnt wanna re-flash each time cuz it never changed
2016-11-19T08:17:01 < dongs> this was liek 3 clicks in keil
2016-11-19T08:17:16 < Kliment> dongs: I cannot demand that every single customer of mine uses Keil for the three times a year they need to change something in their product's behavior
2016-11-19T08:17:47 < dongs> drove 30km today to try and buy a fucking AAAA battery
2016-11-19T08:17:51 < dongs> doesnt exist in japan.
2016-11-19T08:19:48 < englishman> just take apart a 9v battery
2016-11-19T08:26:45 < stvn> cock fire
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2016-11-19T08:32:19 < upgrdman> found rob  https://gfycat.com/ImperturbableFelineArgentineruddyduck
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2016-11-19T08:53:42 < ohsix> now i w8
2016-11-19T08:53:59 < ohsix> upgrdman: does nextUp go to next ulp?
2016-11-19T08:54:40 < ohsix> infinity is not right D:
2016-11-19T08:55:08 < ohsix> it's undefined, if there's a zero you should probably just check it and do whatever 0 means in the other path
2016-11-19T08:56:39 < stvn> cum
2016-11-19T09:05:14 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/SFmYDb1.png
2016-11-19T09:08:28 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/GWViv7S.png
2016-11-19T09:08:31 < ohsix> sez mathematica
2016-11-19T09:08:35 < ohsix> upgrdman: ^
2016-11-19T09:08:46 < ohsix> makes sense
2016-11-19T09:09:01 < ohsix> you need cubes/logs of numbers smaller than 1?
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2016-11-19T09:51:33 < ohsix> whee
2016-11-19T09:51:39 < ohsix> i got a few minutes to order crap on ebay
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2016-11-19T10:05:24 < stvn> hi 06
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2016-11-19T10:10:45 < ohsix> hi
2016-11-19T10:19:53 < stvn> seen brother Steffan?
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2016-11-19T10:50:15 < upgrdman> ohsix, wuts ULP?
2016-11-19T10:51:02 < upgrdman> ohsix, it does this https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/lang/Math.html#nextUp-double-
2016-11-19T10:53:10 < Kliment> I'm probably damaged for life from reading Windows APIs - ulp will always mean unsigned long pointer to me
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2016-11-19T11:10:02 < upgrdman> ohsix, well anyway, i then replaced my fix with a cleaner and more obvious fix: if(foo == 0) foo = Double.MIN_VALUE;
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2016-11-19T12:48:19 < stvn> stm32
2016-11-19T12:48:50 < Steffanx> stvn, bored much?
2016-11-19T12:49:10 < stvn> hi Steffanx 
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2016-11-19T12:49:37 < stvn> i'm doing the paperwork mate
2016-11-19T12:50:43 < Steffanx> Hah, great fun.
2016-11-19T12:50:55 < Steffanx> Why you do that in the weekend.. you already spend the entire week in the office.
2016-11-19T12:50:56 < stvn> how about you?
2016-11-19T12:51:02 < Steffanx> Not doing paperwork.
2016-11-19T12:51:09 < stvn> i've been on the road a bit this week
2016-11-19T12:51:19 < stvn> got nothing planned so i figured why not
2016-11-19T12:54:22 < stvn> Steffanx, how's tha sky?
2016-11-19T12:54:45 < Steffanx> Very cloudy.
2016-11-19T12:55:52 < stvn> it was actually warm today which is nice
2016-11-19T12:56:08 < Steffanx> define warm.
2016-11-19T12:56:26 < qyx> mhm stm32h7
2016-11-19T12:56:40 < stvn> idk
2016-11-19T12:56:53 < stvn> somewhere around 25 degrees maybe
2016-11-19T12:57:14 < qyx> °F?
2016-11-19T12:57:19 < stvn> C
2016-11-19T12:57:31 < stvn> i am from the boomerang country
2016-11-19T12:58:33 < Tectu> crt
2016-11-19T12:58:38 < stvn> tec2
2016-11-19T12:58:40 < stvn> sup
2016-11-19T13:02:04 < DanteA> warm isn't defined in the current scope 
2016-11-19T13:03:07 < stvn> {:
2016-11-19T13:08:00 < stvn> fill my balls with tritium
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2016-11-19T13:23:57 < Tectu> stop posting crap stvn 
2016-11-19T13:24:48 < stvn> i've been irradiated
2016-11-19T13:25:43 < jadew> isn't tritium fairly safe?
2016-11-19T13:28:00 < stvn> not if injected into your nuts lol
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2016-11-19T13:41:02 < ReadErr> I just got molested
2016-11-19T13:41:27 < ReadErr> Full cupping
2016-11-19T13:41:49 < stvn> ok
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2016-11-19T13:54:50 < stvn> cool
2016-11-19T13:55:52 < Steffanx> Do i want to know ReadErr?
2016-11-19T13:57:22 < stvn> you do
2016-11-19T13:57:53 < ReadErr> Tsa
2016-11-19T13:58:27 < jadew> was it a guy?
2016-11-19T14:00:03 < ReadErr> Yea
2016-11-19T14:01:22 < jadew> I'd have no problem with it if they'd all be women
2016-11-19T14:02:04 < stvn> lol
2016-11-19T14:03:29 < jadew> because in that case: 1) I wouldn't mind being patted. 2) I wouldn't mind them having the priviledge of patting other women.
2016-11-19T14:04:24 < stvn> choobs
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2016-11-19T14:06:25 < jadew> I don't know if it's just me, but I don't like any other dude that hits on any woman (unless they're really ugly)
2016-11-19T14:07:01 < stvn> lol
2016-11-19T14:09:11 < stvn> stm32
2016-11-19T14:14:00 < Steffanx> its you jadew
2016-11-19T14:14:33 < jadew> interesting, I thougt it's something normal for males
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2016-11-19T15:02:16 < __rob> just got a board back with an stm32l011 on it, I can only "connect under reset" with stlink
2016-11-19T15:02:25 < __rob> NRST is high
2016-11-19T15:02:37 < __rob> anyone know why ?
2016-11-19T15:03:11 < __rob> got the bare bones on the board, programming header with pull down on boot0, pullup on nrst and pullup/pulldown on swdio/swclk
2016-11-19T15:22:29 < __rob> ughh, works when I choose to ignore boot0
2016-11-19T15:22:32 < __rob> in the option bytes
2016-11-19T15:22:38 < __rob> bit strange
2016-11-19T15:22:43 < __rob> boot0 is pulled low
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2016-11-19T16:02:19 < Laurenceb_> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38037220
2016-11-19T16:02:27 < Laurenceb_> channers on suicide watch
2016-11-19T16:09:28 < englishman> jadew: you clearly haven't seen TSA women, enough to turn any man gay.
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2016-11-19T16:14:01 < Steffanx> lol
2016-11-19T16:23:20 < jadew> heh
2016-11-19T16:25:15 < ReadErr> Yea mostly pretty butch
2016-11-19T16:27:38 < jadew> Laurenceb_, so what, they have to ask you if you're 18? like kids don't know to press yes
2016-11-19T16:27:58 < Laurenceb_> jadew: no, you have to provide bank details so they can check
2016-11-19T16:28:05 < Laurenceb_> what could possibly go wrong
2016-11-19T16:28:05 < jadew> haha
2016-11-19T16:28:43 < jadew> oh, there's more to the article
2016-11-19T16:28:54 < jadew> ffs, these sites with ads in the middle of the articles are fucking retarded
2016-11-19T16:29:14 < jadew> the ad didn't load and I had a big white space in it
2016-11-19T16:29:19 < jadew> I thought that's the end of the article
2016-11-19T16:30:20 < Steffanx> adblock?
2016-11-19T16:30:27 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-19T16:30:29 < Kliment> Steffanx: You mean ublock origin
2016-11-19T16:30:48 < Steffanx> No that's not what i meant.
2016-11-19T16:30:51 < Kliment> Steffanx: Adblock is ineffective, ABP is evil.
2016-11-19T16:31:03 < Steffanx> Chrome is evil. 
2016-11-19T16:31:13 < Steffanx> oh, its ff too :P
2016-11-19T16:31:24 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-19T16:31:28 < jadew> that's the one I'm using
2016-11-19T16:31:34 < jadew> it allows some ads through, which is nice
2016-11-19T16:31:35 < Kliment> Yeah, it used to be chrome-only but that got fixed pretty quick
2016-11-19T16:31:54 < Steffanx> One can also say blocking ads is evil.
2016-11-19T16:31:59 < Kliment> ublock origin doesn't allow anything through by default, which is how it should be
2016-11-19T16:32:03 < jadew> Kliment, really? cuz I think I've been using adblock before chrome even existed
2016-11-19T16:32:07 < jadew> maybe I'm mistaken
2016-11-19T16:32:16 < Kliment> jadew: I was refering to ublock
2016-11-19T16:32:20 < jadew> ah
2016-11-19T16:32:23 < Kliment> jadew: Sorry for the confusion
2016-11-19T16:32:53 < jadew> I don't mind inobtrusive ads
2016-11-19T16:33:07 < jadew> sites have to make money too
2016-11-19T16:33:14 < Steffanx> Yeah, me neither. Although i do hate thoes totally personalized ads.
2016-11-19T16:33:25 < jpa-> "This is using pornography as a lever to introduce the first censor of the internet in a democratic country in the world."    haha, no way the first, we've been censoring internet for years in finland
2016-11-19T16:33:43 < Steffanx> Some local news website shows that crap. Like when i visited farnell, it will show me the products i just watched -_-
2016-11-19T16:33:53 < Steffanx> *looked at
2016-11-19T16:34:01 < jadew> Steffanx, google does that too
2016-11-19T16:34:22 < jadew> you get ads for crap you already bought, months after the fact
2016-11-19T16:34:55 < Kliment> I mind all ads. They are the single biggest malware vector in the world
2016-11-19T16:35:13 < Steffanx> yeah, lets get into paywall more.
2016-11-19T16:35:15 < jadew> Kliment, again, sites have to make money
2016-11-19T16:35:18 < Steffanx> *paywalls more
2016-11-19T16:35:27 < Steffanx> Pay walls are more annoying.
2016-11-19T16:35:34 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-19T16:35:40 < Kliment> Paywalls are more annoying, but ads are more dangerous
2016-11-19T16:35:54 < jadew> Kliment, nah
2016-11-19T16:36:02 < Kliment> The well has been poisoned.
2016-11-19T16:36:07 < ReadErr> PIA has that MACE
2016-11-19T16:36:07 < jadew> companies that sell ads don't give a flying crap about what we do
2016-11-19T16:36:34 < Kliment> jadew: Sure, but they happen to distribute malware vectors
2016-11-19T16:36:50 < Steffanx> That's not an issue with the ads themself
2016-11-19T16:36:55 < Steffanx> that's an issue with the ads provider.
2016-11-19T16:37:00 < ReadErr> Supposed to block malicious stuff
2016-11-19T16:37:17 < ReadErr> And ad servers
2016-11-19T16:37:27 < Steffanx> Pakistan International Airlines ReadErr?
2016-11-19T16:37:35 < Kliment> Steffanx: Well, every ad provider is malicious at this stage - I can't think of a single one that hasn't distributed harmful code
2016-11-19T16:37:50 < Kliment> Steffanx: I can't trust them
2016-11-19T16:37:57 < ReadErr> Yea them too
2016-11-19T16:38:21 < ReadErr> Tracking too Kliment
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2016-11-19T16:39:35 < Kliment> ReadErr: That too of course
2016-11-19T16:40:01 < ReadErr> That's where the money is
2016-11-19T16:40:07 < ReadErr> More so than the ads
2016-11-19T16:40:17 < jadew> I think people don't know what tracking really is
2016-11-19T16:40:21 < Kliment> ReadErr: Anyway, the ad industry did that to themselves. They completely destroyed any semblance of trust anyone had in them with more and more obtrusive ads
2016-11-19T16:40:33 < jadew> ad selling doesn't work without tracking
2016-11-19T16:40:43 < ReadErr> Right
2016-11-19T16:40:45 < jadew> the kind of tracking you're thinking about is only done by a handful of companies
2016-11-19T16:40:47 < ReadErr> Targeted
2016-11-19T16:40:47 < Kliment> jadew: Sure, but that's their problem
2016-11-19T16:40:55 < jadew> Google being the most prominent
2016-11-19T16:40:55 < Kliment> jadew: We're just the victims
2016-11-19T16:41:06 < ReadErr> They wouldn't want to sell me makeup
2016-11-19T16:41:19 < Kliment> jadew: Why should we be helping them fuck up our lives?
2016-11-19T16:41:40 < dongs> loks like my dixus7 has shitted itself
2016-11-19T16:41:42 < jadew> why should websites give you info for free?
2016-11-19T16:41:50 < dongs> stuck on google screen, something about shitty flash from ANUS
2016-11-19T16:42:05 < Kliment> jadew: If they don't want to, don't put it on the public internet
2016-11-19T16:42:39 < jadew> Kliment, it all comes down to money
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2016-11-19T16:42:48 < ReadErr> This 128G flash drive with micro USB is ace
2016-11-19T16:42:49 < jadew> if there are no money in it, it will be garbage
2016-11-19T16:43:00 < jadew> almost everything free sucks
2016-11-19T16:43:06 < Kliment> jadew: Have you looked at the numbers for web advertising?
2016-11-19T16:43:08 < jadew> I don't want an ads free internet
2016-11-19T16:43:18 < jadew> Kliment, which?
2016-11-19T16:43:30 < Kliment> jadew: It's the shittiest of shittiest return of all advertising types anywhere
2016-11-19T16:43:40 < Kliment> jadew: Web ads don't work
2016-11-19T16:43:44 < jadew> only if your content sucks
2016-11-19T16:44:08 < Kliment> jadew: I'm talking from the ad network's customer's perspective
2016-11-19T16:44:20 < jadew> that's not true, I actually built an ads network in my early career and I've looked at the numbers
2016-11-19T16:44:21 < Kliment> jadew: Basically any money you sink into web ads is lost
2016-11-19T16:44:31 < jadew> if your content sucks, the revenue sucks
2016-11-19T16:44:53 < Kliment> jadew: I'm not actually talking about the revenue for websites
2016-11-19T16:45:00 < jadew> ah, you mean as an advertiser?
2016-11-19T16:45:00 < Kliment> jadew: I'm talking about return for advertisers
2016-11-19T16:45:13 < jadew> that's not true either and that's another reason why they have to track you
2016-11-19T16:45:27 < jadew> they have to get some stats on weather their ads make them any money
2016-11-19T16:45:40 < Kliment> jadew: And you know what? They don't.
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2016-11-19T16:45:43 < jadew> they don't care about what you do, just that they're not spending money for nothing
2016-11-19T16:45:58 < Kliment> jadew: Effectively every web ad campaign is spending money for nothing
2016-11-19T16:46:04 < Kliment> jadew: Every other media outperforms them
2016-11-19T16:46:26 < jadew> that's just not true
2016-11-19T16:46:43 < Kliment> jadew: So many advertisers have moved off the medium, and a lot of the current ads are scum
2016-11-19T16:47:50 < Kliment> jadew: And as for the hosting side, the link farms hosted on parked domains are the number one ad revenue recipient
2016-11-19T16:48:28 < Kliment> jadew: This only happened in the last 6-7 years
2016-11-19T16:48:51 < jadew> Kliment, I don't know about that, but I can't believe that's true
2016-11-19T16:49:05 < jadew> who would click on any of those links?
2016-11-19T16:49:35 < Kliment> jadew: Nobody does so intentionally, people end up there via typoes in URLs and via scam links pretending to be content
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2016-11-19T16:49:47 < Kliment> jadew: Like the countless "datasheet repositories"
2016-11-19T16:50:15 < Kliment> jadew: Or Windows software download sites
2016-11-19T16:50:23 < jadew> ah, I see what you mean, yeah, well, it depends who you're buying from
2016-11-19T16:50:38 < Kliment> jadew: On the receiving side, you don't get to choose
2016-11-19T16:50:41 < jadew> small networks have more filtered clientele
2016-11-19T16:50:51 < jadew> you do
2016-11-19T16:51:07 < Kliment> jadew: Unless you use project wonderful or something equally niche you don't
2016-11-19T16:51:09 < jadew> you can go to google or you can look for someone who actually tracks its affiliates
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2016-11-19T16:52:00 < jadew> on that network I built a big part of the effort was put into fraud tracking
2016-11-19T16:52:17 < jadew> which included any kind of useless hits generation
2016-11-19T16:53:06 < jadew> and most companies have that
2016-11-19T16:53:37 < Kliment> Still, web ads are the worst RoI for ad dollars
2016-11-19T16:53:55 < jadew> so you can rest assured that those that allow ads on url farms do know about them, but they don't mind screwing the advertiser
2016-11-19T16:54:12 < Kliment> Which means even if you avoid clickfraud and such the ads just don't work very well
2016-11-19T16:54:17 < jadew> Kliment, again, depends where you put them and how much you're paying :)
2016-11-19T16:54:25 < Kliment> Hell, you're from the industry, and even you use an ad blocker
2016-11-19T16:54:40 < jadew> hehe
2016-11-19T16:55:03 < jadew> can't argue with that :)
2016-11-19T16:55:28 < Steffanx> I block ads as well, except for the websites i visit regularly. 
2016-11-19T16:55:37 < jadew> yeah, me too
2016-11-19T16:55:45 < Kliment> I block ads on principle, extremely aggressively
2016-11-19T16:55:53 < wanderman> hey Steffanx 
2016-11-19T16:55:56 < wanderman> :D
2016-11-19T16:55:59 < Kliment> I also block js and cookies and cross-domain requests
2016-11-19T16:56:06 < jadew> the thing is that it doesn't really matter if it's fair to the advertiser, what matters is that most websites wouldn't exist without ads
2016-11-19T16:56:16 < Steffanx> Ran into too much issues blocking JS so i dont do that.
2016-11-19T16:56:24 < jadew> Kliment, lol, you block js?
2016-11-19T16:56:25 < ReadErr> You notice without adblock first Google results for software are malware
2016-11-19T16:56:28 < jadew> how do you use the internet?
2016-11-19T16:56:31 < Kliment> jadew: Of course I block js
2016-11-19T16:56:40 < ReadErr> For Firefox etc
2016-11-19T16:56:53 < Steffanx> hello mr wanderman
2016-11-19T16:56:56 < Kliment> jadew: I use the internet selectively
2016-11-19T16:57:11 < wanderman> use brave browser
2016-11-19T16:57:13 < Kliment> jadew: Block everything by default
2016-11-19T16:57:49 < ReadErr> I like the way your fingers move Steffanx
2016-11-19T16:57:56 < Steffanx> type.
2016-11-19T16:59:14 < wanderman> ReadErr,  sound like sex message. lol
2016-11-19T16:59:27 < ReadErr> Tehehehe
2016-11-19T16:59:33 < wanderman> massage *
2016-11-19T16:59:42 < jadew> any idea what those handheld calibrators are used for?
2016-11-19T16:59:53 < ReadErr> Magic fingers
2016-11-19T17:00:01 < wanderman> distence dianosis, 
2016-11-19T17:00:20 < wanderman> hallow man
2016-11-19T17:00:21 < wanderman> :D
2016-11-19T17:00:23 < wanderman> LOL
2016-11-19T17:00:27 < wanderman> too sexy tha movie
2016-11-19T17:03:07 < wanderman> i had a dream this morning, where i traveled to future, and i spoke to me, they even don't know what BC mean, ( I asked them what year it is now )
2016-11-19T17:03:20 < aandrew> hahahaha
2016-11-19T17:03:23 < wanderman> i spoke to them *
2016-11-19T17:03:36 < aandrew> "Reddit is probably the world's largest group of people who communicate while shitting"
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2016-11-19T17:05:27 < Steffanx> Time to watch watch Predestination, wanderman
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2016-11-19T17:05:48 < Steffanx> -watch
2016-11-19T17:06:18 < wanderman> um
2016-11-19T17:07:28 < wanderman> i saw, 2 spacecraft landed on playground, one small size spracecraft were moving just 2m above land, later i realize , it move by " anti gravity force"
2016-11-19T17:07:59 < wanderman> it was one of weired wired lucid dreams i ever had,
2016-11-19T17:08:25 < jadew> all my sci-fi dreams are about the end of the world
2016-11-19T17:08:35 < jadew> I've seen it happen in all possible ways
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2016-11-19T17:08:59 < wanderman> wow,
2016-11-19T17:09:03 < jadew> cosmic event, alien attack (lots of them)
2016-11-19T17:09:08 < jadew> plagues
2016-11-19T17:09:12 < jadew> etc
2016-11-19T17:09:19 < wanderman> interesting,
2016-11-19T17:09:46 < Steffanx> All possible way jadew. In your dreams :P
2016-11-19T17:09:52 < Steffanx> *ways
2016-11-19T17:10:30 < Tectu> Hello Mr. wanderman 
2016-11-19T17:10:38 < jadew> well, they are possible in reality too, except for the vampire apocalipse
2016-11-19T17:10:53 < wanderman> lol
2016-11-19T17:10:55 < jadew> but keep in mind I'm from romania, so the vampires from my dreams are nothing like what you see on TV
2016-11-19T17:11:08 < wanderman> oh..
2016-11-19T17:11:28 < wanderman> romania have a lot of countryside area.
2016-11-19T17:11:32 < aandrew> yep
2016-11-19T17:11:38 < wanderman> i like that nature.
2016-11-19T17:11:43 < jadew> yeah, we're peasants
2016-11-19T17:12:02 < wanderman> is that you who had a hen as a pet ?
2016-11-19T17:12:10 < jadew> yeah haha
2016-11-19T17:12:24 < jadew> it was a rooster
2016-11-19T17:12:30 < aandrew> I think my favourite place in .ro is a short way away from Timsoara (jimbolia) but tbh I only really love it there because my sister-in-law's house is awesome
2016-11-19T17:13:00 < jadew> my father is from nearby
2016-11-19T17:13:04 < wanderman> i see, cool , aandrew 
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2016-11-19T17:13:37 < aandrew> bucharest is a typical city. Severin is my wife's hometown and she spent her teen years in brasov but they both (along with timis) seem to be typical cities to me
2016-11-19T17:13:42 < wanderman> :)
2016-11-19T17:13:50 < aandrew> jimbolia is a cool little town literally right on the border
2016-11-19T17:13:58 < aandrew> like you walk down a street and bam new country
2016-11-19T17:14:29 < jadew> Brasov is pretty cool
2016-11-19T17:14:35 < jadew> too cold for my taste tho
2016-11-19T17:15:06 < ReadErr> Are you a gypsy jadew?
2016-11-19T17:15:12 < jadew> no
2016-11-19T17:15:22 < aandrew> ReadErr: be realistic
2016-11-19T17:15:31 < ReadErr> Are many Romanians?
2016-11-19T17:15:32 < aandrew> if he was a gypsy you'd be missing your kidney by now
2016-11-19T17:15:37 < ReadErr> Lol
2016-11-19T17:15:51 < aandrew> they possess advanced theft technology, they can do these things even over the internet
2016-11-19T17:15:54 < jadew> ReadErr, like 10%
2016-11-19T17:16:00 < aandrew> ReadErr: almost zero romanians are gypsies
2016-11-19T17:16:14 < jadew> yeah, what aandrew said is more accurate
2016-11-19T17:16:14 < aandrew> they're not actually .ro, they're roma and they're all over europe
2016-11-19T17:16:21 < jadew> yep
2016-11-19T17:16:23 < ReadErr> So where do gypsies come from?
2016-11-19T17:16:30 < jadew> India
2016-11-19T17:16:42 < ReadErr> I thought Romania
2016-11-19T17:16:52 < aandrew> there were a few gypsy houses in jimbolia I saw... you could tell they were gypsy houses because they were very very overdone yet had no electricity or toilets
2016-11-19T17:16:56 < jadew> no, they take names similar to where they settle
2016-11-19T17:16:58 < aandrew> they'd have a castle with an outhouse
2016-11-19T17:17:39 < jadew> lol, yeah
2016-11-19T17:17:54 < aandrew> gypsy women almost all have coins in their hair too. I don't know if it's a culture or fashion thing
2016-11-19T17:18:20 < aandrew> the men I can't really tell apart from .ro men but the women are usually dressed in bright colours and have coins in their hair
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2016-11-19T17:18:29 < aandrew> my wife can tell them apart easily, I can't
2016-11-19T17:18:50 < aandrew> jadew: I may be coming to .ro next year (visiting family)
2016-11-19T17:19:29 < jadew> if you find yourself in Bucharest and you want to go out for a beer, let me know :)
2016-11-19T17:19:36 < aandrew> oh for sure
2016-11-19T17:19:47 < aandrew> we'd land in bucharest, my brother in law is there too
2016-11-19T17:19:55 < aandrew> mind you "go out for a beer" is dfferent there than here
2016-11-19T17:20:07 < aandrew> here we have 750mL glasses. There you have 2L bottles. :-)
2016-11-19T17:20:13 < jadew> haha
2016-11-19T17:20:23 < jadew> I don't drink anyway, but I can have a coke
2016-11-19T17:20:39 < ReadErr> A cocaine?
2016-11-19T17:21:19 < aandrew> Ursus is life
2016-11-19T17:21:25 < wanderman> i don't feel any good of getting druken.
2016-11-19T17:21:37 < aandrew> oh god
2016-11-19T17:21:43 < aandrew> in jimbolia
2016-11-19T17:21:53 < jadew> aadamson, yeah, it's pretty good
2016-11-19T17:21:55 < aandrew> I wake up, my brother in law hands me a coffee cup
2016-11-19T17:22:04 < aandrew> it's got palinca in it, not coffee
2016-11-19T17:22:08 < jadew> lol
2016-11-19T17:22:09 < aandrew> that woke me up in a big hurry
2016-11-19T17:22:23 < ReadErr> PLinca?
2016-11-19T17:22:29 < aandrew> ReadErr: moonshine
2016-11-19T17:22:47 < aandrew> I'm pretty sure you can run a car off of it
2016-11-19T17:22:53 < ReadErr> Oh
2016-11-19T17:23:11 < ReadErr> The Polish are really into that too right?
2016-11-19T17:23:21 < aandrew> the first time I went to .ro most of my sisters in law were upset with me because their husbands drank so much when I was around
2016-11-19T17:23:36 < aandrew> I am not a big drinker, but my wife told me that it was improtant to accept a drink... they kept offering
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2016-11-19T17:23:46 < aandrew> I think they all thought I was a raging alcoholic
2016-11-19T17:23:56 < wanderman> um, you are a apetizer
2016-11-19T17:23:56 < wanderman> :D
2016-11-19T17:24:04 < aandrew> I'm a what?
2016-11-19T17:24:13 < wanderman> :D
2016-11-19T17:24:54 < wanderman> people could drank more, when you around, it mean you are apetizer
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2016-11-19T17:25:07 < aandrew> hah
2016-11-19T17:25:13 < aandrew> I don't know, I was just trying to be a respectful guest
2016-11-19T17:25:22 < aandrew> I definitely didn't want to drink so much
2016-11-19T17:25:28 < aandrew> and hard liquor first thing in the morning... ugh
2016-11-19T17:25:32 < wanderman> :D
2016-11-19T17:25:51 < wanderman> that was progressive positive feedback mindset loop
2016-11-19T17:27:20 < wanderman> i don't know why people feel good when druken .
2016-11-19T17:27:40 < jadew> I never felt good when drunk
2016-11-19T17:27:40 < wanderman> i got druken, i felt inbance in body, and i ddin't feel good much.
2016-11-19T17:27:43 < Rob235> I hate drinking
2016-11-19T17:27:53 < wanderman> i see,
2016-11-19T17:28:25 < wanderman> so it is mere adiction without pleasure ?
2016-11-19T17:28:31 < Rob235> I'd rather smoke
2016-11-19T17:28:37 < wanderman> :D
2016-11-19T17:28:54 < jadew> I think for the addicts there's no pleasure in it
2016-11-19T17:29:43 < jadew> they actually can't function without it
2016-11-19T17:30:23 < wanderman> i see,
2016-11-19T17:30:24 < wanderman> how old you know jadew
2016-11-19T17:30:26 < Rob235> just relief probably, of getting out of their own heads for a bit, until the hangover or whatever kicks in and you need more
2016-11-19T17:30:41 < jadew> wanderman, you mean how old I am?
2016-11-19T17:30:47 < wanderman> yes
2016-11-19T17:30:53 < jadew> 31 I think
2016-11-19T17:31:12 < wanderman> wow, same age
2016-11-19T17:31:20 < wanderman> 1985 
2016-11-19T17:31:23 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-19T17:31:26 < wanderman> me too
2016-11-19T17:31:27 < wanderman> :D
2016-11-19T17:31:28 < jadew> then 31 hehe
2016-11-19T17:31:29 < Rob235> 84 ftw
2016-11-19T17:31:39 < wanderman> i'm 1985 november
2016-11-19T17:31:55 < jadew> you're younger
2016-11-19T17:31:56 < Rob235> happy bday
2016-11-19T17:31:57 < wanderman> you 84 ? Rob235 
2016-11-19T17:32:00 < Rob235> yea
2016-11-19T17:32:08 < wanderman> getting closer , yeah :D
2016-11-19T17:32:20 < jadew> when I was kid, I couldn't remember if I'm born in 85 or 84
2016-11-19T17:32:32 < wanderman> lol
2016-11-19T17:32:33 < jadew> I even filled a few forms with the wrong year
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2016-11-19T17:32:38 < Rob235> march 84 for me
2016-11-19T17:32:50 < jadew> I still have that issue sometimes
2016-11-19T17:33:05 < Rob235> http://www.iflscience.com/brain/6-surprising-downsides-of-being-extremely-intelligent/all/
2016-11-19T17:33:11 < Rob235> I must be very intelligent :P
2016-11-19T17:33:23 < wanderman> lol, i had a problem figuring out my left and right arms. i figured it with a mark on my skin on right leg.
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2016-11-19T17:34:39 < Rob235> hold your hands in front of you, palms facing away and finger tips up, thumb to the side, whichever hand makes the L is your LEFT hand.  I was talking to my gf about left/right mixups last week.
2016-11-19T17:35:26 < Rob235> I never had a problem with it but that was her method
2016-11-19T17:35:26 < jadew> I've learned that the right arm is the one you make the cross with when you're praying lol
2016-11-19T17:35:29 < wanderman> oh, lol
2016-11-19T17:35:29 < wanderman> thank you
2016-11-19T17:35:47 < wanderman> yeah, Rob235  you too smart
2016-11-19T17:35:53 < Rob235> haha yea sure
2016-11-19T17:36:19 < jadew> I still have to think about that when I'm not sure, because I also have an issue with left and right
2016-11-19T17:36:35 < jadew> tbh, I think everyone else got them wrong
2016-11-19T17:36:58 < wanderman> tbh stand for ?
2016-11-19T17:37:02 < Rob235> to be honest
2016-11-19T17:37:02 < jadew> to be honest
2016-11-19T17:37:34 < jadew> not in english tho, I have no issue with left and right in english, but if I hear them in romanian I usually think of the opposite directions
2016-11-19T17:37:49 < wanderman> lol
2016-11-19T17:37:56 < Rob235> what is left/right in romanian
2016-11-19T17:38:03 < jadew> stanga/dreapta
2016-11-19T17:38:45 < BrainDamage> that article is a gigantic humblebrag
2016-11-19T17:38:53 < Rob235> haha
2016-11-19T17:39:24 < Rob235> I remember in spanish right is derecha, left is izquierda or something weird like that
2016-11-19T17:39:57 < jadew> I don't identify with any of those points, I must be stupid
2016-11-19T17:40:16 < jadew> "1. You often think instead of feel" - I usually feel and then I think about it.
2016-11-19T17:40:35 < jadew> "2. People frequently expect you to be a top performer." - People are stupid, _I_ expect to be the top performer. :D
2016-11-19T17:41:24 < jadew> "3. You might not learn the value of hard work." - again, doesn't apply to me
2016-11-19T17:41:30 < Tectu> new HaD post on EMDrive... I still don't get it... is it zano all over again or is this legit stuff?
2016-11-19T17:41:33 < Rob235> I feel like its more my anxiety that causes me to fall into any of these groupings rather than intelligence
2016-11-19T17:41:54 < jadew> "4. People may get annoyed that you keep correcting them in casual conversation." - you shouldn't correct people all the time, it's rude.
2016-11-19T17:42:07 < Rob235> yea I used to do that, people never seemed to appreciate it heh
2016-11-19T17:42:15 < wanderman> it speak of superfacial interliegence.
2016-11-19T17:42:37 < wanderman> real interligence, make you awake, alert, concisousness. 
2016-11-19T17:43:35 < jadew> thing is, none of those points apply only to intelligent people
2016-11-19T17:43:38 < Rob235> I'm just socially dumb
2016-11-19T17:43:40 < jadew> not even the last one
2016-11-19T17:44:08 < jadew> "6. You understand how much you don't know" - it's true that stupid people often overestimate their skills, but there are also stupid people who know they're stupid
2016-11-19T17:45:51 < jadew> I think we're all stupid
2016-11-19T17:45:57 < qyx> thats probably just an implication, it does't necessarilly works the other way yround
2016-11-19T17:46:04 < qyx> -s
2016-11-19T17:46:27 < qyx> nowing how stupid you are doesn't make you intelligent
2016-11-19T17:46:29 < Rob235> yea, thats what I was thinking.  I can see that last one being relatively true
2016-11-19T17:46:44 < jadew> qyx, I agree
2016-11-19T17:46:51 < wanderman> may i know about you guys profession ?
2016-11-19T17:47:02 < jadew> I was actually thinking about this lately and I really think we're all stupid
2016-11-19T17:47:06 < wanderman> i'm a electrical engineer, from Asia
2016-11-19T17:47:11 < jadew> as in, we're not as smart as we think we are
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2016-11-19T17:47:29 < qyx> agreed
2016-11-19T17:47:46 < qyx> except dongs maybe
2016-11-19T17:47:50 < jadew> haha
2016-11-19T17:47:55 < Rob235> jadew: no but it's relative.  there is definitely a large difference between 'smart' and 'dumb'
2016-11-19T17:48:11 < jadew> wanderman, most guys here are EEs, I'm a programmer
2016-11-19T17:48:28 < Rob235> I'm a programmer too but not professionally yet
2016-11-19T17:48:31 < wanderman> come on, being humble all we need
2016-11-19T17:49:11 < wanderman> interesting,
2016-11-19T17:49:22 < jadew> Rob235, problem is that the small difference doesn't make that much of a difference, it's usually used to push someone else down
2016-11-19T17:50:16 < jadew> we're so limited we can only think about one thing at a time
2016-11-19T17:50:27 < jadew> we're so limited we can't even do math properly
2016-11-19T17:51:04 < jadew> we're so irrational, we have to argue all the time on obvious topics
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2016-11-19T17:51:42 < jadew> we're so limited, we can easily be overwhelmed by information and be put in a position in which we can't see the truth anymore
2016-11-19T17:51:49 < jadew> we're stupid.
2016-11-19T17:51:53 < qyx> amen.
2016-11-19T17:52:17 < wanderman> i don't understand, how large scale software compnay run, i mean, programmers might do wrong code. give sensitive codes to others. and making all valnurable.
2016-11-19T17:52:49 < jadew> wanderman, they're well organized
2016-11-19T17:52:49 < Rob235> That's true.  I feel like the difference is just a desire to spend more time on certain things than others.  If other people spent as much time as me on programming/EE throughout the years, then they would probably know just as much if not more than me.
2016-11-19T17:52:54 < qyx> in large companies, programmers indeed generate bad code
2016-11-19T17:53:01 < wanderman> so their final product, prone to attacks and errors.
2016-11-19T17:53:04 < jadew> and yeah, what qyx said
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2016-11-19T17:53:35 < qyx> the more close and NDA-ed the code is, the less it is auditable and the less it is secure
2016-11-19T17:54:22 < qyx> which doesn't mean that opensource or code generated by small companies is much better
2016-11-19T17:54:40 < wanderman> but, by opening code, cause hackers to figure out hackable points in code. right ?
2016-11-19T17:54:48 < jadew> correct
2016-11-19T17:54:55 < wanderman> so open source more hackable.
2016-11-19T17:54:55 < wanderman> ?
2016-11-19T17:54:57 < Rob235> which leads to patches (hopefully)
2016-11-19T17:55:03 < jadew> and while there are some that will report them, most won't
2016-11-19T17:55:23 < jadew> I think that most exploits are used for years before they're announced
2016-11-19T17:55:45 < Rob235> I should research more about hacking.  I think it would make me a better coder.
2016-11-19T17:55:53 < wanderman> :D
2016-11-19T17:55:56 < Rob235> its something that never really interested me much
2016-11-19T17:56:01 < Rob235> security and shit
2016-11-19T17:56:04 < qyx> wanderman: most vunlerabilities may be detected and found by black-box testing
2016-11-19T17:56:11 < qyx> you don't need the code to be open
2016-11-19T17:56:25 < jadew> but it sure helps :)
2016-11-19T17:56:38 < wanderman> i see, ok qyx , i will check about it
2016-11-19T17:56:40 < qyx> yes, but on the other hand, it can be fixed more easily
2016-11-19T17:56:42 < jadew> because you can find less regular issues with it
2016-11-19T17:57:21 < jadew> wanderman, your original question about large companies, was it about code quality?
2016-11-19T17:57:42 < qyx> so there is a potential for the opensourced code to be better
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2016-11-19T17:59:09 < qyx> but generally the reasoning "we keep the code closed to be more secure" is bad
2016-11-19T17:59:43 < jadew> qyx, I think the reasoning is usually "we keep the code closed so we don't tell the competition how to do it" :)
2016-11-19T18:00:05 < Rob235> yea, I'm sure that's the real reason 99.9% of the time
2016-11-19T18:00:10 < wanderman> i mean, a programmer can include secrete code to outsource important data on DBs.
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2016-11-19T18:00:37 < jadew> wanderman, code gets reviewed
2016-11-19T18:01:03 < wanderman> by many other  programmers ?
2016-11-19T18:01:06 < jadew> and it's usually open to all the teams that work on that project
2016-11-19T18:01:10 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-19T18:02:21 < jadew> maybe for super secret stuff you wouldn't have access to all the code, but then all the code would get extremely well reviewed and you wouldn't do that to begin with, because you'd probably risk jail
2016-11-19T18:03:04 < wanderman> i see, is there any technical method/term address this issue ?
2016-11-19T18:03:06 < jadew> you could of course intentionally add a logic mistake
2016-11-19T18:03:25 < jadew> which issue?
2016-11-19T18:03:26 < qyx> yes, many different kinds of testing, coding guidelines
2016-11-19T18:03:43 < qyx> most of it can be automated
2016-11-19T18:03:52 < jadew> ah, you mean for making sure bad code isn't introduced
2016-11-19T18:03:57 < wanderman> yes,
2016-11-19T18:04:00 < jadew> well, the most basic thing you can do is peer review
2016-11-19T18:04:32 < wanderman> the reason why i question, i planing to hire a nodejs programmer.
2016-11-19T18:05:11 < wanderman> i want to double check code to prevent bad code other than intended.
2016-11-19T18:05:15 < jadew> here's another tip, if you pay them well enough, they won't do anything harmful (intentionally)
2016-11-19T18:05:38 < wanderman> it is their bid , right ?
2016-11-19T18:05:42 < wanderman> in freelancer
2016-11-19T18:05:51 < qyx> also there are companies doing reviews
2016-11-19T18:06:03 < qyx> oh, are you hiring a node.js programmer on a freelancer?
2016-11-19T18:06:08 < jadew> wanderman, ah, I thought you really ment hireing
2016-11-19T18:06:31 < jadew> you can just check his code when he's done
2016-11-19T18:06:35 < wanderman> no, jadew  , on freelancer
2016-11-19T18:06:36 < wanderman> yes
2016-11-19T18:06:47 < wanderman> to make a small app
2016-11-19T18:07:31 < jadew> I don't have experience with that
2016-11-19T18:08:27 < qyx> I would speak to him/her first before hiring
2016-11-19T18:09:26 < qyx> also request them to shou you some past projects
2016-11-19T18:09:43 < qyx> *show
2016-11-19T18:10:19 < wanderman> I getting your point. i just wanted to know if there is formal method to check professionality of programmer 
2016-11-19T18:10:53 < jadew> you call his past employees
2016-11-19T18:10:54 < wanderman> and double checking method to figureout bad codes.
2016-11-19T18:10:58 < jadew> *employers
2016-11-19T18:11:22 < wanderman> yeah, thank you. :)  . i admire all you guys view on this.
2016-11-19T18:12:21 < qyx> on a different topic, if you had to capture a camera frame on a stm32
2016-11-19T18:12:34 < qyx> lets say, on a f407 with dcmi
2016-11-19T18:12:45 < qyx> where would you store it temporarily?
2016-11-19T18:14:29 < wanderman> um, never used a cam on stm
2016-11-19T18:14:45 < Tectu> qyx, depends on the size I'd say. pre-compressed b/w images can be small enough to be stored in internal SRAM, while higher resolution color images might be too large. Then it depends whether you already have mass storage available or if you need something just for that.
2016-11-19T18:15:02 < Tectu> ah, dcmi. I guess not pre-compressed then :p
2016-11-19T18:15:42 < qyx> for example, ov2640 outputting a JPEG compressed 8 bit data over dcmi
2016-11-19T18:15:54 < qyx> pre-compressed, <200kB
2016-11-19T18:16:47 < qyx> the camera has no buffering inside, so the data needs to be read relatively fas
2016-11-19T18:17:21 < qyx> I am investigating a SPI SRAM option
2016-11-19T18:17:27 < qyx> seems to be the cheapest so far
2016-11-19T18:19:13 < ohsix> wat is this morning shit
2016-11-19T18:19:18 < ohsix> 8am lul
2016-11-19T18:20:42 < ohsix> __rob: i had something weird like that going on when a different programmer set some readout bits or something, when i connected with stlink it told me about it and offered to reset them
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2016-11-19T18:29:07 < ohsix> qyx: wonder if you wouldn't use an allwinner thing and some dram instead, costs more but sram is $$ too
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2016-11-19T18:36:32 < ohsix> it's kind of fucked java/boost/whatever even let you do nextUp or find next ulp, there's like no legitimate use, but you need it if you don't know the floating point format / can't access the mantissa/exponent
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2016-11-19T18:39:13 < qyx> ohsix: but power consumption matters too
2016-11-19T18:41:29 < wanderman> MISRA Software Guidelines require the use of “automatic static analysis” for SIL 3 automotive systems and above, which tend to be systems that can kill or severely injure at least one person if they fail (MISRA Guidelines 1994, pg. 29).
2016-11-19T18:42:49 < Tectu> qyx, f407 doesn't have QSPI, right? would give you extra speed.
2016-11-19T18:43:12 < ohsix> qyx: yea but if you have a camera and you need to store a frame some crap is already implied
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2016-11-19T18:46:22 < Rickta59> is MISRA doing javascript now?
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2016-11-19T18:46:51 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/user/Blendtec/videos this is still going on
2016-11-19T18:47:35 < ohsix> Rickta59: you'd probably need a certified runtime and stuff if it were ever in safety critical stuff
2016-11-19T18:47:45 < ohsix> -> it's not going to be, maybe ever
2016-11-19T18:49:50 < wanderman> Rickta59,  might kidding me, as i was asking of nodejs but now posting on c.
2016-11-19T18:50:10 < Rickta59> yeah i guess i missed that part about c :)
2016-11-19T18:50:50 < Rickta59> unless maybe you were asking for some c implementation in nodejs
2016-11-19T18:51:01 < ohsix> is there a snarky blog about node and web stuff called nodejizz yet
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2016-11-19T18:55:43 < Rickta59> has anyone here done anything with RIOT-OS on an stm32 ?
2016-11-19T18:56:11 < ohsix> i've read a bit of the docs but haven't done anything with it on anything yet
2016-11-19T18:56:59 < Rickta59> seems like a reasonable implementation, and the build environment seems sane
2016-11-19T18:57:52 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-19T18:58:25 < Rickta59> didn't take me but a few minutes to get a new board going and have it blinking and led in a thread .. and then only a couple more hours to figure out how to get slip running with the demo network shell that could run a upd server
2016-11-19T18:58:38 < ohsix> http://riot-os.org/ heh those comparison tables
2016-11-19T18:58:59 < ohsix> does it do ipv4?
2016-11-19T18:59:10 < Rickta59> not without twisting its arm
2016-11-19T18:59:20 < Rickta59> it has to fall back on lwip
2016-11-19T18:59:24 < ohsix> k
2016-11-19T18:59:45 < ohsix> ya some dude was talking junk @ lwip and i wondered what it did
2016-11-19T19:04:39 < qyx>  riot-os?
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2016-11-19T19:05:50 < Rickta59> real time internet of things os
2016-11-19T19:05:59 < ohsix> qyx: they have a nice web page ;D
2016-11-19T19:06:07 < ohsix> bbl
2016-11-19T19:07:55 < Tectu> hell yeah, that's indeed a very nice web page
2016-11-19T19:08:24 < qyx> great
2016-11-19T19:09:04 < DanteA_> that rtos have nice Web page. we all should use it mob 
2016-11-19T19:09:07 < DanteA_> ! 
2016-11-19T19:09:23 < DanteA_> -mob
2016-11-19T19:10:38 < Tectu> don't be silly
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2016-11-19T19:21:34 < DanteA_> this is joke 
2016-11-19T19:21:36 < DanteA_> ... 
2016-11-19T19:22:32 < Steffanx> :P
2016-11-19T19:22:40 < Steffanx> Joker got joked. 
2016-11-19T19:25:03 < wander___> jokers are not jerkers
2016-11-19T19:26:27 < Tectu> I like the way your fingers speak
2016-11-19T19:28:28 < wander___> ?
2016-11-19T19:29:01 < wander___> who watch wonder and the alien ?
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2016-11-19T19:40:10 < Steffanx> Watch Predestination wander___. It'll be a nice movie for you wander___
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2016-11-19T19:41:10 < wander___> yeah, we are predestinated to grave
2016-11-19T19:41:13 < wander___> :/
2016-11-19T19:41:16 < jedrek_> Hello, I'm trying to use ST-LINK/V2-1 programmer from my NUCLEO-F303K8 with another device (Core51822 with nRF51822 on board). Is it possible and how can I do it? I know that on bigger NUCLEO boards there is a jumper to simply switch the programmer to another device, but it's not present on my board.
2016-11-19T19:41:31 < Steffanx> wander___: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2397535/
2016-11-19T19:41:32 < wander___> you inderectly addressed me, as joker, Steffanx  i feel upset
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2016-11-19T19:42:26 < DanteA_> hm I have nucleo with jumper. I think you can cut off swd data line 
2016-11-19T19:44:27 < Steffanx> Im not sure if you can program non-stm32 with a st-link jedrek_, but if it's possible jedrek_.. then people in #openocd will know
2016-11-19T19:45:09 < DanteA_> yeah if it's not stm, then question is open 
2016-11-19T19:46:33 < jedrek_> Steffanx, I've already read that it's possible - there are some manuals on the internet. My problem is rather a hardware one - I don't really know how to switch ST-LINK on my board to debog another device instead of my STM32F303K8
2016-11-19T19:46:35 < wander___> that debug is designed by , ARM, 
2016-11-19T19:46:49 < jedrek_> *debug
2016-11-19T19:47:45 < DanteA_> well you need find swd lines, connect there and cut off from the board 
2016-11-19T19:48:43 < Rickta59> you could load bmp on your f303 and use that to program the nrf51
2016-11-19T19:48:57 < Rickta59> then you wouldn't have to hack up the board
2016-11-19T19:49:32 < jedrek_> on mbed.org I read that my Nucleo has "On-board ST-LINK/V2-1 debugger/programmer with SWD connector
2016-11-19T19:49:32 < jedrek_> , Selection-mode switch to use the kit as a standalone ST-LINK/V2-1"
2016-11-19T19:49:50 < jedrek_> so I'm looking just for that switch
2016-11-19T19:49:58 < jedrek_> or maybe I understand something wrong?
2016-11-19T19:50:08 < DanteA_> just download the manual 
2016-11-19T19:50:55 < DanteA_> If official manual have no such switch  then that's not about your board 
2016-11-19T19:52:11 < DanteA_> in the manual at my nucleo there is section about stand alone mode of St link 
2016-11-19T19:52:12 < Steffanx> From what I see that nucleo has no (solder) jumpers or easy way to use the nucleo to program other targets.
2016-11-19T19:54:24 < Steffanx> SWDIO and SWCLK go directly to the target (on the pcb)
2016-11-19T19:55:31 < DanteA_> solder wires to that lines and carefully cut off swdio 
2016-11-19T19:55:46 < DanteA_> I think that will be enough 
2016-11-19T19:56:13 < aandrew> wow you guy sare kids
2016-11-19T19:56:16 < Steffanx> or buy some stlink clone or discovery that has headers + solder jumpers ? :)
2016-11-19T19:56:19 < aandrew> 1976 represent :-)
2016-11-19T19:56:23 < DanteA_> xD 
2016-11-19T19:56:28 < DanteA_> too difficult 
2016-11-19T19:56:31 < Steffanx> Damn, grandpa aandrew.
2016-11-19T19:56:38 < DanteA_> time costly! 
2016-11-19T19:56:40 < jedrek_> ok, thanks for your help guys, now I know everything
2016-11-19T19:56:44 < Rickta59> is CN2 .. those four pin holes?
2016-11-19T19:57:02 < Rickta59> at the top of the board near the usb connector?
2016-11-19T19:57:41 < Rickta59> the nucleo schematic shows swdio/swclk exposed on CN2
2016-11-19T19:57:51 < Steffanx> but that is for the st-link.
2016-11-19T19:58:12 < Rickta59> input to st-link?
2016-11-19T19:58:16 < aandrew> lol http://i.imgur.com/wbWklo3.jpg
2016-11-19T19:58:18 < Rickta59> so they can program it?
2016-11-19T19:58:27 < Steffanx> Yeah, that's what it looks like.
2016-11-19T19:58:47 < Steffanx> I guess you have to be old to see the joke in that aandrew :P
2016-11-19T19:58:59 < DanteA_> very useful ability 
2016-11-19T20:08:22 < PaulFertser> btw, it's not that simple as we're usually told at school, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifting_force#A_more_comprehensive_physical_explanation
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2016-11-19T20:16:54 < Steffanx> oh, lol, i failed to see that in those images :P
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2016-11-19T20:25:43 < PaulFertser> A very unconventional heli design without tail rotor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOTAR 
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2016-11-19T20:44:41 < Kliment> jedrek_: You can convert your nucleo to an stlink without any modification - just remove all the jumpers on the board
2016-11-19T20:45:01 < Kliment> jedrek_: This will leave the local target unpowered and then you can use the 6-pin SWD header driectly
2016-11-19T20:45:56 < jedrek_> Kliment, the problem is that on my board (NUCLEO F303K8) there are no jumpers at all
2016-11-19T20:45:58 < Kliment> jedrek_: Oh, never mind, it's the tiny one
2016-11-19T20:46:08 < jedrek_> Kliment, exactly :P
2016-11-19T20:46:17 < jedrek_> thanks anyway
2016-11-19T20:46:55 < Kliment> jedrek_: Easiest way is desolder the target chip
2016-11-19T20:48:57 < Kliment> jedrek_: I'm not sure if there is a power selection solder jumper on there
2016-11-19T20:48:59 < Steffanx> easier is to buy a nucleo/discovery that has the jumpers or st link.
2016-11-19T20:49:28 < PaulFertser> With Tiva C if the target is not powered, its pins are all High-Z ;) 
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2016-11-19T20:50:10 < Kliment> PaulFertser: Same with this
2016-11-19T20:50:49 < PaulFertser> Kliment: at least all FT (5V tolerant) pins should be, agreed.
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2016-11-19T21:15:30 < KreAture_Zzz> just hold the nucleo chip in reset that will highz all the pins
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2016-11-19T21:26:39 < PaulFertser> KreAture_Zzz: stm32s talk over SWD in reset, so no.
2016-11-19T21:34:27 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/AND87Q.png
2016-11-19T21:52:50 < Tectu> stop posting crap Laurenceb_ 
2016-11-19T22:03:46 < Laurenceb_> never
2016-11-19T22:03:48 < Laurenceb_> http://arc.aiaa.org/doi/10.2514/1.B36120
2016-11-19T22:11:06 < kakimir> when is your emdrive papers made Laurenceb_ ?
2016-11-19T22:24:21 < qyx> ok, ordered some nucleo boards
2016-11-19T22:28:37 < qyx> yeah, planning to do the same
2016-11-19T22:36:01 < KreAture_Zzz> which chip is on those ?
2016-11-19T22:36:14 < KreAture_Zzz> 401?
2016-11-19T22:36:44 < KreAture_Zzz> You know you can get "core" boards ?
2016-11-19T22:36:47 < KreAture_Zzz> less extra shit
2016-11-19T22:37:26 < qyx> it depends, there are multiple options
2016-11-19T22:37:37 < qyx> I ordered f411 and f303
2016-11-19T22:37:57 < qyx> those are basically "core", no peripherals onboard
2016-11-19T22:38:14 < qyx> except the stlink2.1 programmer
2016-11-19T23:06:02 < decimad> are there great connector to individually place wires on the header pins?
2016-11-19T23:07:00 < decimad> My first dev board was like that before, but without a motherboard I had nothing at my hands and handsoldered wires to the pins
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2016-11-19T23:22:36 < Steffanx> Why are you still on the nottingham.cuck network Laurenceb_
2016-11-19T23:23:06 < Laurenceb_> what the cucking heck
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2016-11-19T23:23:40 < Steffanx> Laurenceb (~laurence@vlsi1.eee.nottingham.ac.uk)
2016-11-19T23:25:25 < Steffanx> The cuck of notthingham maybe.
2016-11-19T23:25:28 < kakimir> I need something that goes into pin hole in pcb and then expands into that hole to lock itself in place
2016-11-19T23:25:44 < kakimir> and it has to be conductive and reusable
2016-11-19T23:25:59 < qyx> there are some backplane connectors with such mounting
2016-11-19T23:26:08 < Steffanx> but reusable..?
2016-11-19T23:26:13 < qyx> I don't know how is it called though
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2016-11-19T23:26:43 < kakimir> I imagine it to have like some sort of pressable thing that operates expansion
2016-11-19T23:26:46 < Steffanx> press fit connectors are oftne used, but not sure if those are reusable.
2016-11-19T23:27:45 < qyx> yes, press fit are they called
2016-11-19T23:29:19 < kakimir> I need something for more like. testing use
2016-11-19T23:29:50 < qyx> aha
2016-11-19T23:30:02 < kakimir> should these press fits be soldered?
2016-11-19T23:30:03 < qyx> tag connect?
2016-11-19T23:30:11 < Steffanx> No kakimir.
2016-11-19T23:30:21 < Steffanx> even sparkfun had them once: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/10527
2016-11-19T23:30:28 < qyx> check http://www.tag-connect.com/
2016-11-19T23:30:58 < kakimir> those are pogostick
2016-11-19T23:31:18 < Steffanx> Make something like that yourself? :)
2016-11-19T23:31:38 < Steffanx> tag-connect also has some tool to lock the connector to the pcb.
2016-11-19T23:31:49 < Steffanx> and clips.
2016-11-19T23:34:18 < kakimir> I mean it should be like those butt plugs with pressurized cavity in them for pumpable expansion - only for pcb holes - and conductive
2016-11-19T23:34:34 < kakimir> generally the idea
2016-11-19T23:37:05 < aandrew> fuck tag connect
2016-11-19T23:37:09 < aandrew> overpriced piece of shit
2016-11-19T23:37:15 < kakimir> maybe it had even hooks expanding outwards to lock it more firmly to the hole
2016-11-19T23:37:23 < kakimir> yes aandrew 
2016-11-19T23:37:23 < aandrew> yeah, piece of shit
2016-11-19T23:37:33 < aandrew> I used them. they're garbage
2016-11-19T23:37:46 < kakimir> why bother when you don't even pack your design properly
2016-11-19T23:37:53 < aandrew> without the retention shroud it's small, sure
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2016-11-19T23:38:09 < aandrew> but with the shroud it's no smaller than 0.050" headers
2016-11-19T23:40:28 < kakimir> okay anyone have installed fan to modern intel cpu?
2016-11-19T23:40:45 < kakimir> that plastic crap in all them 4 corners
2016-11-19T23:40:56 < kakimir> that one only smaller and conductive
2016-11-19T23:42:01 < kakimir> anyone getting the general idea?
2016-11-19T23:42:19 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: avrisp is a nice alternative that is free: http://www.daniel-spilker.com/blog/2011/04/25/isptouch-for-avr-microcontrollers
2016-11-19T23:42:27 < aandrew> kakimir: "don't even pack your design properly" ?
2016-11-19T23:42:39 < kakimir> https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1WkbTKVXXXXcTXVXXq6xXFXXXq/4PCS-Hot-LGA-775-CPU-Heatsink-Mount-Pin-Plastic-Push-Screw-Cooler-Cooling-Fan-Fastener-for.jpg
2016-11-19T23:43:11 < aandrew> really though I just use 2x5 0.050" for most things, and 4 pin 2mm header if I really need smaller
2016-11-19T23:43:16 < aandrew> tag-connect is overpriced garbage
2016-11-19T23:44:04 < kakimir> liek saying tag-connect because size super snugged yeah
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2016-11-19T23:44:34 < aandrew> what?
2016-11-19T23:44:38 < aandrew> are you speaking english?
2016-11-19T23:44:44 < Steffanx> Lol.
2016-11-19T23:45:28 < kakimir> then having all that empty board area and poor routing job around it easily having space even for 2.00mm connector or so
2016-11-19T23:45:46 < Steffanx> Being smaller isnt really the selling point is it aandrew? It more a non-permanent connection without the header..
2016-11-19T23:46:18 < aandrew> like I said: without the retention shroud it's small, yes, but you can use something like isptool for much cheaper. With the retention shroud, it's not smaller, it's not better in any way shape or form
2016-11-19T23:46:48 < aandrew> Steffanx: again, isptouch does that too
2016-11-19T23:48:49 < Steffanx> Oh i didnt see that link because you addressed it too leeloo and mention avr :P my bad.
2016-11-19T23:49:06 < Steffanx> Mentioned*
2016-11-19T23:49:21 < kakimir> hmm should make touchable 0.050 connector
2016-11-19T23:50:07 < kakimir> http://www.mouser.com/images/microsites/molex-compression-78864-block1.png I wonder if stuff like this comes in 2x5 and 0.050
2016-11-19T23:50:16 < kakimir> jubb dones
2016-11-19T23:50:55 < aandrew> heh yeah they designed it for AVR but it's 6 pins. that's more than enough for SWD+SWO or even basic JTAG
2016-11-19T23:53:56 < aandrew> kakimir: I haven't seen that particular tool but look at AVX 9188 on digikey
2016-11-19T23:54:12 < aandrew> the SOT23 shape means you get polarity too
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2016-11-19T23:57:32 < kakimir> has it been snow hell in brittland Laurenceb ?
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2016-11-20T00:00:14 < kakimir> aandrew: it seems the most sane option is to have miniature pogosticks
2016-11-20T00:00:28 < aandrew> well it depends on what you're trying to achieve
2016-11-20T00:01:12 < aandrew> if you want a small form factor with some way to keep the connection in place (debugging) then nothing is better than a connector. I prefer the standard 2x5 0.050" but you can use anything that fits.
2016-11-20T00:01:57 < kakimir> sure thing
2016-11-20T00:02:07 < kakimir> but for programming without popuating
2016-11-20T00:02:21 < aandrew> if you want to "press and flash" then something like isptouch is good; if you are talking about fixturing (automated stuff, bed of nails etc) then pogo is great
2016-11-20T00:02:49 < aandrew> kakimir: programming withhout populating I'd go isptouch. it's zero BOM cost and a HELL of a lot cheaper than tag-connect
2016-11-20T00:05:14 < aandrew> the comments section here has a few other options including pogo pins: http://hackaday.com/2014/04/27/a-small-replacement-for-large-programming-headers/
2016-11-20T00:07:40 < kakimir> I woundn't
2016-11-20T00:08:12 < Shavik> Got a STM32F405RG device here where I'm trying to get I2S working. To rule out my code, I created a new project (using the HAL) that in the past has generated a proper signal on my past HW revision. I can't rule out a design problem yet but I feel my code should be accurate. The WS line goes high when starting the transmission as well as the data line mirroring the first bit of the desired buffer. The I2S BCLK signal just never 
2016-11-20T00:08:12 < Shavik> "starts".  I'm configured to use my external 4.096 Mhz crystal for the i2s bus. Can't think of many things else to try.
2016-11-20T00:09:03 < Shavik> My very first prototype that works is based off the STM32F401RE
2016-11-20T00:09:30 < kakimir> I would create per desing TP pattern for debug connections
2016-11-20T00:09:55 < kakimir> then create another board just for aligning pogosticks
2016-11-20T00:10:30 < kakimir> maybe then try to use same TP pattern with other projects with same MCU
2016-11-20T00:11:11 < aandrew> why would you make per-cpu patterns?
2016-11-20T00:11:30 < aandrew> anything that can use SWD+SWO should use the same footprint
2016-11-20T00:11:52 < kakimir> keep those TPs close to pins those origin from
2016-11-20T00:12:10 < kakimir> have advantage in that routing mess
2016-11-20T00:12:23 < Shavik> I have a 27 ohm on the I2S CLK line as termination. Could this be causing the issue? 
2016-11-20T00:12:47 < Shavik> I didn't see a clock signal on the mcu side of the resistor but wasn't sure if that was causing the HW to "hang"?
2016-11-20T00:13:12 < aandrew> kakimir: has debug routing ever been that big of a deal?
2016-11-20T00:13:17 < aandrew> what are you doing, one-sided boards?
2016-11-20T00:13:30 < aandrew> Shavik: would be trivial to replace it with zero or 33 or 50 ohms to test
2016-11-20T00:13:34 < aandrew> but I doubt that's an issue
2016-11-20T00:13:54 < Shavik> It is a 1 sided board (2 pcb layers, top + bottom)
2016-11-20T00:14:01 < aandrew> Shavik: no that was for kakimir 
2016-11-20T00:14:03 < Shavik> sorry
2016-11-20T00:14:19 < aandrew> Shavik: do you have a logic analyzer handy to see what you get on the I2S lines?
2016-11-20T00:14:23 < Shavik> But yea, I wouldn't think that would cause a problem. I do
2016-11-20T00:14:26 < Shavik> Like I said
2016-11-20T00:14:42 < Shavik> When in the code, I step past the line to "init" the i2s(spi) HW, I see the WS line go high
2016-11-20T00:14:53 < Shavik> And the DATA line will go high/low depending on first bit in TX buffer
2016-11-20T00:14:59 < Shavik> but CLK never changes from 0
2016-11-20T00:15:12 < Shavik> I verified good 4.096 Mhz signal inbound from xtal to stm32
2016-11-20T00:16:16 < aandrew> Shavik: definitely sounds like SW... can you use the "stupid" (blocking) HAL API to try transmitting?
2016-11-20T00:17:02 < Shavik> I can. I think I've gotten a timeout in the past
2016-11-20T00:17:08 < Shavik> When I tried that
2016-11-20T00:17:11 < Shavik> Seems to be a problem?
2016-11-20T00:17:16 < Shavik> I was using the DMA transmit
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2016-11-20T00:18:30 < Shavik> Yea with the HAL_I2S_Transmit function, it returns HAL_TIMEOUT
2016-11-20T00:18:50 < Shavik> So basically the TXE flag is never getting set
2016-11-20T00:19:13 < Shavik> Which also explains why I never got any interrupts either, TXE nor DMA (Half/Full)Cmplt
2016-11-20T00:19:31 < Shavik> The __HAL_I2S_ENABLE(hi2s); is what sends the WS high
2016-11-20T00:19:44 < Shavik> Setting the DR register sets the DATA line if the first bit is high
2016-11-20T00:19:51 < Shavik> But then TXE never gets set from that point forward
2016-11-20T00:20:15 < Shavik> Specifically in stm32f4xx_hal_i2s.c line 481
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2016-11-20T00:44:39 < KreAture_Zzz> qyx you can get crimp on connectors for wires
2016-11-20T00:44:45 < KreAture_Zzz> qyx and a tool for it
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2016-11-20T01:30:26 < Laurenceb_> this is pretty epin https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/26/my-night-out-in-cleveland-with-the-worst-men-on-the-internet
2016-11-20T01:31:23 < ReadErr> the most dangerous faggot 
2016-11-20T01:31:26 < ReadErr> that guy right
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2016-11-20T01:41:21 < KreAture_Zzz> That just gets up my nose
2016-11-20T01:41:21 < KreAture_Zzz> http://kreature.org/images/animals/cats/miko_nose.jpg
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2016-11-20T02:05:23 < stvn> hello mr steffan
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2016-11-20T02:07:10 < stvn> bitto
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2016-11-20T02:51:15 < ReadErr> https://i.imgur.com/2xxitRL.png
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2016-11-20T02:56:20 < ReadErr> im sure that pic is 40% of this channel
2016-11-20T03:01:28 < dongs> channel #ruby
2016-11-20T03:01:28 < dongs> no
2016-11-20T03:01:33 < dongs> i'm pretty sure most people arent faggots in here.
2016-11-20T03:01:45 < dongs> or hamfags
2016-11-20T03:02:02 < dongs> lol @ fucking ancient shitpad
2016-11-20T03:02:14 < dongs> i forgot why do nerds buy  those 5kg thinkpads
2016-11-20T03:02:17 < dongs> do they run lunix?
2016-11-20T03:02:23 < dongs> cuz the hardware is old enough to actually be suported?
2016-11-20T03:12:33 < BrainDamage> they run old thinkpads because they can replace the firmware
2016-11-20T03:12:41 < dongs> openAIDSbios?
2016-11-20T03:13:43 < BrainDamage> yes, shit supported by coreboot
2016-11-20T03:13:59 < jadew> lol @ that picture
2016-11-20T03:14:03 < jadew> I have half the stuff there
2016-11-20T03:14:15 < dongs> lol
2016-11-20T03:14:17 < jadew> I have the thinkpad, I have the radio
2016-11-20T03:14:24 < dongs> you dont have the C book?
2016-11-20T03:14:33 < jadew> ah, no
2016-11-20T03:14:37 < dongs> damn
2016-11-20T03:14:43 < dongs> i have an actual paper version.
2016-11-20T03:15:16 < jadew> I have some old C books, but I don't think it's that one
2016-11-20T03:15:23 < jadew> *any are that one
2016-11-20T03:16:04 < dongs> this is literally the only C book you ever need
2016-11-20T03:16:19 < jadew> mine are xeroxed or something
2016-11-20T03:16:28 < jadew> I received them from a friend when I was young
2016-11-20T03:16:47 < jadew> some are on C, some on ASM
2016-11-20T03:16:55 < dongs> mm, asm books
2016-11-20T03:17:00 < dongs> THE|7 would be excited
2016-11-20T03:17:36 < dongs> jadew: why have those radios when you have SDR?
2016-11-20T03:18:01 < jadew> dongs, I got them to fix & sell them
2016-11-20T03:18:08 < jadew> but I never sold anything
2016-11-20T03:18:21 < jadew> which is why I also have 3 spectrum analyzers
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2016-11-20T03:19:23 < jadew> I have the bottom radio
2016-11-20T03:19:41 < jadew> the IC-760 PRO
2016-11-20T03:19:50 < stvn> ReadErr, i have the book in that pic
2016-11-20T03:20:12 < jadew> + other mobile radios that I also never sold
2016-11-20T03:22:24 < stvn> am i middle aged tech 
2016-11-20T03:22:36 < stvn> https://i.imgur.com/2xxitRL.png
2016-11-20T03:22:49 < stvn> should be like botnet bingo if you've played that before
2016-11-20T03:25:08 < jadew> dongs, about the thinkpad, they used to be great
2016-11-20T03:25:29 < jadew> my old t41 is slimmer than some of the affordable laptops today
2016-11-20T03:25:50 < jadew> and it worked better than my wife's mac, which was 10 years newer
2016-11-20T03:25:57 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/1H9D8Ms.jpg
2016-11-20T03:26:18 < dongs> haha clamav
2016-11-20T03:26:56 < ReadErr> lol botnet bingo
2016-11-20T03:26:56 < ReadErr> not seen this before
2016-11-20T03:27:36 < dongs> if I have 2 12V power supplies
2016-11-20T03:27:40 < dongs> can i series them to make 24V
2016-11-20T03:27:59 < jadew> if they're isolated, sure
2016-11-20T03:28:34 < dongs> err, just regular power bricks lol
2016-11-20T03:28:56 < jadew> yeah, definitely
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2016-11-20T03:29:05 < stvn> just do it anyway
2016-11-20T03:29:12 < stvn> yolo
2016-11-20T03:29:26 < jadew> unless they're cheap
2016-11-20T03:29:45 < jadew> I got shocked from a cheap one
2016-11-20T03:30:52 < jadew> I guess you could measure
2016-11-20T03:31:16 < Thorn> wtf polandballs sent me a copy of invoice by snail mail 2 weeks after the DMM itself arrived (with the invoice in the box)
2016-11-20T03:31:29 < jadew> a high value resistor tied to earth and touch each wire, if you get potential across the resistor then it's not safe to do it
2016-11-20T03:31:35 < Thorn> it's not like I didn't pay or something
2016-11-20T03:36:03 < jadew> dongs, if I measure directly between the binding posts of my lab PSUs I can get like 100V for a bit and then it quickly drops
2016-11-20T03:36:22 < jadew> so I guess the 10 M impedance is fine for this test
2016-11-20T03:37:00 < jadew> hmm, I should measure that shitty adapter and see what I get from it
2016-11-20T03:47:40 < jadew> dongs: http://188.27.94.149/stuff/adapter.png
2016-11-20T03:47:55 < dongs> lmaof
2016-11-20T03:47:55 < dongs> nice
2016-11-20T03:48:20 < jadew> yeah... I guess that if you get that, don't put them in series :)
2016-11-20T04:09:00 < stvn> :3
2016-11-20T04:11:41 < ReadErr> <@;)
2016-11-20T04:14:35 < stvn> jadew, feel the lightning mate
2016-11-20T04:14:59 < stvn> i measure all the volts
2016-11-20T04:20:11 < englishman> dongs check for continuity between its 100v terminals and the - terminal of your power supply
2016-11-20T04:20:49 < stvn> correct
2016-11-20T04:21:00 < dongs> finally, real pro advice.
2016-11-20T04:21:26 < englishman> .pro like kikecad
2016-11-20T04:21:39 < englishman> cus its pro
2016-11-20T04:21:40 < dongs> nothing
2016-11-20T04:21:44 < jadew> aren't there other ways of mains leaking through tho?
2016-11-20T04:21:48 < englishman> then yolo them together
2016-11-20T04:21:55 < englishman> they are isolated, all is well
2016-11-20T04:21:57 < jadew> like through caps
2016-11-20T04:22:07 < stvn> that is what happen jadew 
2016-11-20T04:22:20 < englishman> sure jadew but he doesnt need to know that
2016-11-20T04:22:31 < stvn> i demonstrate the dog
2016-11-20T04:23:33 < ReadErr> Zero.Days.2016.HDTV.x264-BATV
2016-11-20T04:23:36 < ReadErr> negood?
2016-11-20T04:24:25 < stvn> http://imgur.com/a/EYMus
2016-11-20T04:24:37 < stvn> this metal chassis connects to anything
2016-11-20T04:26:05 < Laurenceb_> dongs: connect the 100v to your genitals
2016-11-20T04:26:10 < Laurenceb_> ^also pro advice
2016-11-20T04:26:40 < dongs> laurence/b/ is incapable of real life pro tips
2016-11-20T04:26:45 < dongs> you spend too much time on /b/
2016-11-20T04:27:56 < Laurenceb_> not true
2016-11-20T04:28:00 < Laurenceb_> but I do live there
2016-11-20T04:29:41 < jadew> http://imgur.com/gallery/tZD9N7p
2016-11-20T04:30:08 < ReadErr> lol
2016-11-20T04:35:05 < dongs> englishman: thanks, looks ok. 24V is out.
2016-11-20T04:35:14 < dongs> these are higher end 12V packs from toshiba external HDDs
2016-11-20T04:35:23 < dongs> so i guess they're probly slightly less shit than $1 chinese wall adapters
2016-11-20T04:36:53 < englishman> or not
2016-11-20T04:37:21 < dongs> shrug
2016-11-20T04:37:27 < dongs> stuff wokrs will test it out later, dmm shows 24V anyway.
2016-11-20T04:37:38 < englishman> i have these pro dell server psus that shit the bed non stop
2016-11-20T04:37:39 < englishman> so meh
2016-11-20T04:37:57 < englishman> $1 chinashit is probably nicer
2016-11-20T04:38:28 < stvn> greetings though
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2016-11-20T05:11:03 < englishman> attn Laurenceb https://media.8ch.net/file_store/1ca7d408e02ca04e9d2198bb1335bdfce1f59e01bb278651f6338b9518a725d9.mp4
2016-11-20T05:14:16 < stvn> o.O
2016-11-20T05:14:30 < stvn> you go there too?
2016-11-20T05:15:41 < jadew> glitches in the matrix
2016-11-20T05:15:49 < stvn> the matrix 
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2016-11-20T05:28:20 < upgrdman> if anyone in here is learning opengl or directx, this tool from msft is so much better than most profilers:  https://graphics.stanford.edu/~mdfisher/GPUView.html
2016-11-20T05:34:51 < ReadErr> I need to learn some node.js
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2016-11-20T06:03:46 < jadew> ReadErr, npm install learnyounode -g
2016-11-20T06:04:21 < ReadErr> learnyounode?
2016-11-20T06:04:37 < jadew> it's a little program with a couple of essential tasks
2016-11-20T06:04:44 < ReadErr> https://github.com/workshopper/learnyounode
2016-11-20T06:04:45 < ReadErr> ah i c
2016-11-20T06:04:51 < jadew> you have to write them and it verifies them
2016-11-20T06:04:57 < jadew> it's good for getting started
2016-11-20T06:05:12 < jadew> make a folder for your tasks so you can revisit it later
2016-11-20T06:05:15 < ReadErr> seems to be the best way to interface i/o into a microcontroller
2016-11-20T06:05:24 < ReadErr> w/ web interface
2016-11-20T06:05:30 < ReadErr> or something similar 
2016-11-20T06:05:36 < jadew> why?
2016-11-20T06:05:41 < ReadErr> post/get request 
2016-11-20T06:05:55 < ReadErr> w/ some UI I guess
2016-11-20T06:06:02 < jadew> ah, you want to run node from a MCU?
2016-11-20T06:06:07 < ReadErr> no
2016-11-20T06:06:15 < ReadErr> just a quick hacky way to interface 
2016-11-20T06:06:54 < jadew> how would you communicate with it?
2016-11-20T06:07:34 < ReadErr> esp
2016-11-20T06:07:38 < ReadErr> and just socket
2016-11-20T06:07:43 < jadew> got it
2016-11-20T06:07:59 < ReadErr> have it hosted locally or on lan server
2016-11-20T06:08:02 < ReadErr> not on the mcu
2016-11-20T06:08:36 < ReadErr> unless you have a better idea
2016-11-20T06:09:44 < jadew> well, I assume you're going to connect to the MCU, pass the commands and close the connection, so you don't need a single instance of the connection or anything like that
2016-11-20T06:10:13 < jadew> node would have helped if that was the case, because you could keep a single instance and serve multiple HTTP requests, using the same connection to the MCU
2016-11-20T06:10:21 < ReadErr> well there will be a constant stream of data 
2016-11-20T06:10:22 < jadew> but since that's not the case, then anything would work
2016-11-20T06:10:24 < Thorn> how much current should I pass through a zener to obtain its rated voltage? looks like I need several mA
2016-11-20T06:10:39 < ReadErr> so keep-alive makes sense
2016-11-20T06:11:34 < jadew> ReadErr, if you want a continous stream of data, that implies websockets
2016-11-20T06:11:58 < jadew> you can do it with ajax calls too, but websockets allows the server to push data to the client
2016-11-20T06:12:25 < jadew> now, if you're going to use websockets, you can use whatever you want on the server side
2016-11-20T06:12:39 < jadew> could very well be a c++ server that implements websockets and stays connected to the MCU
2016-11-20T06:13:10 < jadew> the part that sends the continous stream is going to be different from your website logic anyway
2016-11-20T06:13:39 < jadew> what are you trying to do exactly?
2016-11-20T06:13:57 < ReadErr> stream data to be graphed
2016-11-20T06:13:59 < ReadErr> on the fly
2016-11-20T06:14:07 < jadew> what intervals?
2016-11-20T06:14:08 < ReadErr> but also adjust parameters 
2016-11-20T06:14:22 < ReadErr> 20hz atleast
2016-11-20T06:14:29 < ReadErr> 10 is acceptable
2016-11-20T06:15:02 < ReadErr> around 6 params
2016-11-20T06:15:52 < jadew> I think you could easilly pull 10 requests/second with ajax, but it seems more like an application for websockets
2016-11-20T06:16:00 < jadew> the time intervals have to be exact?
2016-11-20T06:16:59 < jadew> like, every 100 ms, +- 1 ms
2016-11-20T06:17:13 < ReadErr> its not timing critical 
2016-11-20T06:17:18 < ReadErr> i just want something easy 
2016-11-20T06:17:35 < ReadErr> w/o dealing with a fuckload of GET request or something dumb
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2016-11-20T06:17:57 < jadew> well, for easy, you can just make a script or anything in whatever language you're comfortable with that reads that data and outputs it
2016-11-20T06:17:59 < ReadErr> thats why I was thinking something that supported sockets well
2016-11-20T06:18:13 < ReadErr> but is web interfaceable
2016-11-20T06:18:14 < jadew> then you make a little script that runs the program and forwards it to the browser
2016-11-20T06:18:47 < jadew> yeah, I guess node is ok for it
2016-11-20T06:19:25 < jadew> but your site logic will still be different
2016-11-20T06:20:12 < ReadErr> I need something that can keep logs on the server too
2016-11-20T06:20:18 < jadew> at the minimum you need a page which makes some ajax calls
2016-11-20T06:20:35 < ReadErr> hmmm im not to this point yet will figure all that out later 
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2016-11-20T06:23:44 < ReadErr> jadew: Zero Days
2016-11-20T06:23:45 < ReadErr> grab it
2016-11-20T06:24:34 < jadew> documentary?
2016-11-20T06:24:57 < ReadErr> yup
2016-11-20T06:24:59 < ReadErr> stuxnet 
2016-11-20T06:25:35 < jadew> thanks, I'll check it out
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2016-11-20T06:38:06 < dongs> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxlNYHDXEAEZoWk.jpg
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2016-11-20T06:45:58 < jadew> haha
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2016-11-20T07:00:34 < Thorn> I hate zeners with all my hard.
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2016-11-20T07:05:09 < ReadErr> all your hard hmmm
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2016-11-20T07:37:09 < ohsix> habeeb it
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2016-11-20T07:39:59 < ColdKeyboard> I've messed up something. When I connect 411-RE nucleo board to PC it is detected as USB device and OpenOCD cannot connect to it to programm/debug... Anyone know how to fix it?
2016-11-20T07:40:52 < ohsix> http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4842
2016-11-20T07:40:56 < ohsix> pci-e fpga thing
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2016-11-20T07:41:12 < ohsix> er
2016-11-20T07:41:16 < ohsix> something you can put in a laptop D:
2016-11-20T07:43:13 < ReadErr> install the stlink driver?
2016-11-20T07:44:15 < ohsix> i built one of those jyetech scopes in pals soldering class thing he teaches
2016-11-20T07:44:31 < ohsix> has SWD header and usb
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2016-11-20T07:45:53 < ohsix> there's a warning that says 'it is illegal to use firmware on sainsmart'
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2016-11-20T07:52:08 < ColdKeyboard> Hmmm... 411 is still connecting as USB MSD and cannot programm it with ST-Link or OCD
2016-11-20T07:52:11 < ColdKeyboard> Any suggestions?
2016-11-20T07:52:24 < ohsix> heh it flashes jyetech.com on the lcd
2016-11-20T07:52:46 < ohsix> ColdKeyboard: really just the driver
2016-11-20T07:52:55 < ohsix> did you move the pin headers?
2016-11-20T07:53:49 < ColdKeyboard> ohsix I installed drivers from STSW-LINK009
2016-11-20T07:53:59 < zyp> ColdKeyboard, that sounds like mbed stuff
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2016-11-20T07:54:09 < ColdKeyboard> And I didn't move anything I guess...
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2016-11-20T07:55:02 < ColdKeyboard> Headers are connected to Nucleo and I have IDD and U5V so I guess that's okay
2016-11-20T07:55:08 < ColdKeyboard> Other than that, no jumpers on headers
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2016-11-20T08:02:14 < ColdKeyboard> I've upgraded ST-Link to V28
2016-11-20T08:02:47 < ColdKeyboard> Still same thing...
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2016-11-20T08:07:06 < ColdKeyboard> I usually use Discovery or custom made boards and I don't have these issues
2016-11-20T08:07:39 < ColdKeyboard> No idea how to disable this crap. I've updated ST-Link on board to V2.J28.M16 but still same thing
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2016-11-20T08:20:20 < ohsix> this little piece of shit is pretty cool for 15$ or whatever
2016-11-20T08:20:35 < ohsix> ColdKeyboard: oh ya mbed
2016-11-20T08:20:55 < ohsix> i forget what to do to get it to work with ocd
2016-11-20T08:21:01 < ohsix> i think you still have storage and serial port
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2016-11-20T08:23:04 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: what exactly does openocd -d3 say when you're trying to connect to that stlink?
2016-11-20T08:23:16 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: is it possible that's a special jlink stlink version?
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2016-11-20T08:24:34 < ColdKeyboard> PaulFertser Polling target stm32f4x.cpu failed, trying to reexamine
2016-11-20T08:24:49 < ColdKeyboard> PaulFertser And also says Error: JTAG failure -4 before that
2016-11-20T08:25:21 < ColdKeyboard> LD1 on ST-Link (one on nucleo board) is orange atm
2016-11-20T08:25:21 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: with stlink?
2016-11-20T08:25:35 < ColdKeyboard> That's from eclipse+openocd
2016-11-20T08:25:44 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: for reliable operation you should connect SRST and use "reset_config srst_only connect_assert_srst"
2016-11-20T08:26:04 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: apparently the adapter itself is recognised and works if you get that far.
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2016-11-20T08:29:52 < ColdKeyboard> PaulFertser Where do I set these parameters?
2016-11-20T08:30:05 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: either with -c on command line or in your config file.
2016-11-20T08:32:16 < ColdKeyboard> Error: jtag status contains invalid mode value - communication failure
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2016-11-20T08:33:11 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: full log along with the invocation line please.
2016-11-20T08:34:17 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: also, check your cabling. You need enough ground wires (and sometimes 1 is not enough, yes), srst actually connected etc.
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2016-11-20T08:38:26 < ReadErr> ColdKeyboard: use the official ST-Link tool atleast
2016-11-20T08:38:33 < ReadErr> make sure that works first
2016-11-20T08:38:56 < ColdKeyboard> I did, and after programming the device with test fw it doesn't respond
2016-11-20T08:39:19 < ReadErr> did you press reset after?
2016-11-20T08:39:23 < ColdKeyboard> Just now I got it to work again (ST-Link) but when I flash the FW again it crashes
2016-11-20T08:39:38 < ReadErr> sounds like you have some fuckyness going on
2016-11-20T08:39:44 < ReadErr> with ur settings or something
2016-11-20T08:40:21 < ColdKeyboard> If I don't have a jumper on JP1 Nucleo should be able to draw up to 300mA... blinking an LED should not trip that...
2016-11-20T08:40:59 < ReadErr> it should work 100% out of the box
2016-11-20T08:41:05 < ReadErr> w/o dicking with jumpers
2016-11-20T08:41:15 < ReadErr> ive used them multiple times like that
2016-11-20T08:41:37 < ColdKeyboard> That's the weird part for me. I had this board for a year or so but this is the first time I got it out of the box
2016-11-20T08:41:55 < ColdKeyboard> And it connects like that shitty mBED mass storage thing
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2016-11-20T08:46:16 < ohsix> tfw you're looking for your flashlight because there isn't enough light to see in your flashlight
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2016-11-20T08:46:50 < ColdKeyboard> So yea, after flashing the firmware it stops responding... IF I hold it in reset, click full erase and relese from reset at the same time it's ok.
2016-11-20T08:47:01 < ColdKeyboard> I'm guessing my FW is screwing up the micro somehow
2016-11-20T08:47:09 < ohsix> trying to get boost converter, LED pcb is held in with a lock ring, pretty pro
2016-11-20T08:50:40 < ReadErr> ohsix: get a camera ring tool
2016-11-20T08:50:47 < ReadErr> makes that shit soooooo much easier
2016-11-20T08:51:45 < ReadErr> I have a L2 modded with 4x 26650s in series 
2016-11-20T08:51:48 < ReadErr> good bat
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2016-11-20T08:53:26 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/gjlK4ZFJ/IMG_1491.JPG
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2016-11-20T08:57:47 < ReadErr> ColdKeyboard: -c "telnet_port 4444" -f "interface/stlink-v2-1.cfg" -f "${file_prompt}"
2016-11-20T08:58:01 < ohsix> ReadErr: it's more like a keyring ring
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2016-11-20T08:58:09 < ohsix> it's just a spring thing pushing on the outside
2016-11-20T08:58:38 < ohsix> it's just nice for it to not come apart even though it's a dollar flashlight olol
2016-11-20T08:58:49 < stvn> series of tubes
2016-11-20T08:58:50 < ohsix> i love these things, i ordered a few more
2016-11-20T08:59:15 < ReadErr> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/m14p9KMh/
2016-11-20T08:59:32 < ReadErr> thats what I use for openocd and stlink 2.1
2016-11-20T08:59:47 < ReadErr> works
2016-11-20T09:00:05 < stvn> i like windows
2016-11-20T09:00:16 < ReadErr> this is on windows
2016-11-20T09:00:22 < ohsix> i like caves
2016-11-20T09:00:50 < ReadErr> reset_config srst_only connect_assert_srst
2016-11-20T09:00:57 < ReadErr> that stuff is in the mcu config
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2016-11-20T09:01:18 < ColdKeyboard> I don't get it why would it fail to communicate with ST-Link after programming? I'm not using PA13-15 for anything
2016-11-20T09:01:50 < ohsix> is that what is happening? or you suspect has happened
2016-11-20T09:02:17 < ReadErr> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/teqU8Pz9/
2016-11-20T09:02:21 < ohsix> if you changed AF for swd you'll need to set the boot pins to make the fw stop in reset for them
2016-11-20T09:02:23 < ReadErr> reset_config?
2016-11-20T09:02:26 < ohsix> actually, i think you can hold reset
2016-11-20T09:02:38 < ReadErr> just dont fuck with the default files
2016-11-20T09:02:43 < ReadErr> and it should work
2016-11-20T09:02:59 < ReadErr> unless you are doing some crazy shit with the swd pins or boot pins
2016-11-20T09:04:05 < ColdKeyboard> It is. Same thing with OpenOCD and ST-Link programmer. After programming I cannot connect to the device. But I'm only trying to init uart on PA9 and PA10 and that's it...
2016-11-20T09:04:31 < ReadErr> are those the ones connected to the stlink?
2016-11-20T09:04:35 < ohsix> you can set fuses that disable swd too
2016-11-20T09:04:43 < ohsix> but you have to do that explicitly
2016-11-20T09:04:46 < ReadErr> for the usb->serial ?
2016-11-20T09:04:49 < ReadErr> 2.1 does that
2016-11-20T09:04:53 < stvn> i need to install a new ubuntu
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2016-11-20T09:05:51 < ColdKeyboard> I'm not disabling SWD, at least I didn't put that anywhere.
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2016-11-20T09:06:02 < ColdKeyboard> And SWD are PA13-15
2016-11-20T09:06:13 < ReadErr> no theres 2 pins
2016-11-20T09:06:14 < ReadErr> tx/rx
2016-11-20T09:06:18 < ReadErr> that go to the f103
2016-11-20T09:06:25 < stvn> ubuntu made my laptop melt
2016-11-20T09:06:30 < ReadErr> and enumerates as a usb comm port
2016-11-20T09:06:53 < ReadErr> idk it could just be your code is bad
2016-11-20T09:07:55 < ColdKeyboard> ReadErr I have no doubt about my bad code. But it shouldn't be that bad that it bricks the board :)
2016-11-20T09:08:20 < ReadErr> or you arent explaining the problem well enough 
2016-11-20T09:08:32 < ReadErr> or are omitting some detail
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2016-11-20T09:35:25 < ohsix> heh south park
2016-11-20T09:35:32 < ohsix> they're fucking killing it
2016-11-20T09:35:39 < ohsix> they must have written both stories and threw one out
2016-11-20T09:35:43 < DanteA> what happens 
2016-11-20T09:35:49 < DanteA> with sp 
2016-11-20T09:35:55 < ReadErr> stank face
2016-11-20T09:35:56 < ohsix> ehh, stuff; it's just good this year
2016-11-20T09:36:05 < ohsix> about trolls and the election
2016-11-20T09:36:10 < ReadErr> dead on
2016-11-20T09:36:24 < DanteA> new season? 
2016-11-20T09:36:40 < ohsix> episode 8 was this week
2016-11-20T09:37:02 < DanteA> I'll better wait till complete season 
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2016-11-20T09:37:14 < ohsix> shrug
2016-11-20T09:37:18 < ohsix> week to week has been fun
2016-11-20T09:37:18 < ReadErr> ohsix: grab that Zero Days
2016-11-20T09:37:23 < ReadErr> kewl docu
2016-11-20T09:37:42 < ohsix> anything new / interesting? already know a lot about stuxnet
2016-11-20T09:38:01 < ReadErr> its well produced 
2016-11-20T09:38:02 < ReadErr> showtime
2016-11-20T09:38:09 < ReadErr> w/ all the head shot callers
2016-11-20T09:38:21 < ohsix> neat
2016-11-20T09:38:31 < ReadErr> not seen any other ones
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2016-11-20T09:38:50 < ReadErr> been awake for uhhhhh
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2016-11-20T09:38:59 < ReadErr> 44 hrs
2016-11-20T09:39:07 < ReadErr> going to sleep
2016-11-20T09:39:11 < ReadErr> thanks delta <3
2016-11-20T09:39:13 < ohsix> do they have anything at this store for a dry dick?
2016-11-20T09:39:43 < ReadErr> ?
2016-11-20T09:39:43 < DanteA> https://s18.postimg.org/o7qjygnyh/IMG_20161120_103849.jpg
2016-11-20T09:39:58 < DanteA> Russia Saint Peters burg 
2016-11-20T09:40:20 < ReadErr> so confuse
2016-11-20T09:40:22 < DanteA> beautiful landscapes 
2016-11-20T09:40:24 < ReadErr> bed looks nice
2016-11-20T09:40:26 < ReadErr> i lay
2016-11-20T09:40:34 < ohsix> you slay
2016-11-20T09:40:51 < ohsix> you should all get raped by gorillas
2016-11-20T09:41:22 < ReadErr> i was 
2016-11-20T09:41:30 < ReadErr> full cupping
2016-11-20T09:41:37 < ohsix> i memba
2016-11-20T09:41:41 < ohsix> go to sleep
2016-11-20T09:41:47 < ReadErr> ya im fried
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2016-11-20T09:54:35 < ohsix> hahahah the 'what what what' at the end, long time coming holy fuck that was awesome
2016-11-20T09:55:03 < ohsix> sheila hasn't done that in like 12 years
2016-11-20T10:00:34 < ohsix> http://tosh.cc.com/blog/files/2016/11/feedingtime.jpg
2016-11-20T10:04:11 < ohsix> not you, move along
2016-11-20T10:04:21 < ohsix> nothing to see here
2016-11-20T10:05:46 < ohsix> i realize you're simple and if there was a light on in here you'd be flittering around it
2016-11-20T10:05:52 < ohsix> and if it was a bug zapper you'd be dead
2016-11-20T10:07:56 < ohsix> bzzt
2016-11-20T10:09:10 < ohsix> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7a5_1419642041
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2016-11-20T10:18:12 < ohsix> ReadErr: lul i tried for like an hour to get that ring out with a bunch of garbage, then i remembered my lock picking kit had hooks and was spring steel and shit
2016-11-20T10:20:11 < ColdKeyboard> Where does the STM keep table of pins, usarts and alternate functions?
2016-11-20T10:20:17 < dongs> which stm?
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2016-11-20T10:20:23 < dongs> there are tables in datasheet
2016-11-20T10:20:47 < ohsix> it's in the datasheet / ref for the 411
2016-11-20T10:21:11 < ColdKeyboard> Usart2 on F411RE should be PA2/3 if I'm not wrong but RM0383 mentions PD5/6 (for bootloader)
2016-11-20T10:21:30 < dongs> if you plan to bootloader you should use usart1 on PA9/10
2016-11-20T10:21:47 < dongs> some other uarts may not even support bootlaoder from them
2016-11-20T10:21:52 < dongs> AN2606 will tell you exactly which ones will work.
2016-11-20T10:23:02 < ColdKeyboard> Cube shows PA2/3 as TX/RX
2016-11-20T10:23:34 < dongs> you can continue ignoring waht I said if you want.
2016-11-20T10:24:15 < ColdKeyboard> dongs Sorry. I'm just scraping trough the datasheet looking for USART2 TX/RX pins but I cannot find table with pins and alterante functions.
2016-11-20T10:24:34 < ColdKeyboard> I'm not trying to use bootloader at the moment thou. Just mentioned it because those are the only places I found USART2
2016-11-20T10:25:44 < dongs> datasheet, table called "ALTERNATE FUNCTION MAPPING"
2016-11-20T10:25:55 < dongs> table 9 in 401RE datasheet.
2016-11-20T10:26:01 < dongs> just search that text and you should see it.
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2016-11-20T10:27:23 < ColdKeyboard> I need glasses...
2016-11-20T10:27:31 < ColdKeyboard> Thanks dongs and LeelooMinai
2016-11-20T10:28:57 < dongs> no need to thank leelooman, he had to google it while I knew it was in datasheet.
2016-11-20T10:30:33 < ColdKeyboard> I don't know why but I always get lost going trough STM datasheest
2016-11-20T10:30:33 < DanteA> holy Bible 
2016-11-20T10:30:38 < ColdKeyboard> *datasheets
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2016-11-20T10:32:09 < ColdKeyboard> No, I save them to desktop and then go trough them when I need them
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2016-11-20T10:33:31 < ColdKeyboard> Oh that, yes :)
2016-11-20T10:34:27 < dongs> ... desktop
2016-11-20T10:37:49 < ColdKeyboard> Well I'm not pro so... desktop :P
2016-11-20T10:53:36 < jadew> xxcvvb   jd ]ppoooooooooooooooooooooooooooyq5
2016-11-20T10:53:45 < jadew> ;
2016-11-20T10:53:52 < jadew> '
2016-11-20T10:54:14 < jadew> sorru, cleaning up keyboard
2016-11-20T10:55:02 < jadew> I'm writing directly on the buttons, it's weird
2016-11-20T10:55:15 < jadew> typing
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2016-11-20T11:12:20 < Kliment> Who was it here that used eclipse?
2016-11-20T11:12:24 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Was it you?
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2016-11-20T11:14:37 < ohsix> ReadErr: err shit, it's all press fit, no go
2016-11-20T11:14:45 < ohsix> Kliment: upgrdman 
2016-11-20T11:14:55 < upgrdman> ?
2016-11-20T11:15:02 < ohsix> eclipsebor
2016-11-20T11:15:03 < ohsix> ro
2016-11-20T11:15:06 < upgrdman> Kliment, i and leeloo use eclipse
2016-11-20T11:15:23 < upgrdman> need help?
2016-11-20T11:15:38 < ohsix> have you tried atom & the syntax/correction stuff it does w/ java
2016-11-20T11:15:40 < Kliment> upgrdman: Yeah. I have a weird issue and I don't know what's going on
2016-11-20T11:15:58 < Kliment> upgrdman: I'm using the st branded eclipse
2016-11-20T11:15:59 < upgrdman> Kliment, cool. elaborate and i'll try not to let you down too hard ;)
2016-11-20T11:16:12 < Kliment> upgrdman: And building a HAL project
2016-11-20T11:16:21 < Kliment> upgrdman: It builds correctly and works
2016-11-20T11:16:32 < Kliment> upgrdman: The compiler output shows no errors
2016-11-20T11:16:50 < upgrdman> ohsix, have not tried atom recently. eclipse neon has really like autocomplete/etc so i have not looked elsewhere
2016-11-20T11:17:00 < ohsix> rkgnt
2016-11-20T11:17:06 < ohsix> right
2016-11-20T11:17:15 < upgrdman> Kliment, but you get those fucking squigly marks in eclipse, right?
2016-11-20T11:17:23 < Kliment> upgrdman: But eclipse says there are a bunch of errors, yes
2016-11-20T11:17:27 < upgrdman> ya
2016-11-20T11:17:29 < upgrdman> easy fix
2016-11-20T11:17:34 < upgrdman> lemme find my notes
2016-11-20T11:17:37 < Kliment> And stuff like "GPIOA cannot be resolved"
2016-11-20T11:17:41 < upgrdman> ya
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2016-11-20T11:18:11 < Kliment> Even though if I follow the includes it's right there
2016-11-20T11:18:35 < Kliment> Same with structs that contain other structs - the inners say they can't be resolved
2016-11-20T11:18:44 < ohsix> lul eevblag came up at soldering thing
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2016-11-20T11:18:54 < ohsix> everyone seems to offer 'i hate that guys accent/voice'
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2016-11-20T11:19:17 < upgrdman> Kliment, "projects context menu and selected Index->Rebuild and Index->Freshen All Files. The last removed the error messages."
2016-11-20T11:19:24 < upgrdman> from http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10041453/eclipse-c-type-could-not-be-resolved-error-even-though-build-is-successful
2016-11-20T11:19:42 < ohsix> move on it like a bitch
2016-11-20T11:19:49 < ohsix> take a mint to freshen the code
2016-11-20T11:21:31 < Kliment> Do I need to make a new build now. Errors are still there in the problems tab
2016-11-20T11:22:32 < ohsix> try it and see
2016-11-20T11:23:23 < Kliment> I had to delete all problems, then clean and build
2016-11-20T11:23:28 < Kliment> Now it does what it should
2016-11-20T11:23:32 < Kliment> Thank you
2016-11-20T11:24:33 < Kliment> upgrdman: Thanks, this is extremely helpful
2016-11-20T11:24:47 < upgrdman> :)
2016-11-20T11:24:50 < Kliment> upgrdman: Any way to make that happen automagically or will it always be the case when I add new stuff?
2016-11-20T11:25:10 < upgrdman> i think for every new project you need to do that
2016-11-20T11:25:24 < upgrdman> or more specifically, every time you change the includes of a project
2016-11-20T11:25:51 < Kliment> Also, I get an "invalid project path" warning
2016-11-20T11:26:04 < Kliment> But it doesn't say which path
2016-11-20T11:26:08 < Kliment> How do I find out?
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2016-11-20T11:26:16 < upgrdman> not sure about that one
2016-11-20T11:26:24 < upgrdman> try googling or try ##eclipse
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2016-11-20T11:27:08 < jadew> http://188.27.94.149/stuff/20161120_095121.jpg
2016-11-20T11:27:51 < ohsix> nice, before image?
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2016-11-20T11:28:03 < ohsix> taking off the keys is a pain in the bum but you can take that stuff out like a mat :D
2016-11-20T11:28:07 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-20T11:28:33 < ohsix> i found one of those things where you push a big button and it lights up, supposed to put in closets or whatever
2016-11-20T11:28:39 < jadew> most of it got sucked by the vacuum cleaner, but there are pieces that are stuck there
2016-11-20T11:29:00 < jadew> like... hair wich I couldn't pull out, must be stuck betweeen the plastics
2016-11-20T11:29:00 < ohsix> it's a decent case to hold batteries in and put an rgb LED in there, or some of those radar motion detectors i want to buy but haven't had real reason yet
2016-11-20T11:29:08 < ohsix> werd
2016-11-20T11:29:33 < ohsix> i break a toothpick in half and run it between the keys, pulls all the crap to one side, can lift it out directly or do it a few times then vacuum
2016-11-20T11:30:20 < dongs> that looks pretty similar to my keyboard
2016-11-20T11:31:43 < jadew> ohsix, yeah, I used a couple of toothpicks + a few cotton swabs but still couldn't get it all out
2016-11-20T11:32:13 < jadew> dongs, only good keyboards end up like that
2016-11-20T11:32:34 < Kliment> upgrdman: for reference, project properties -> C/C++ general -> Paths and Symbols -> References
2016-11-20T11:32:41 < dongs> yo mean shit ones break before they manage to collect so much cerap inside?
2016-11-20T11:32:45 < jadew> the shitty ones get thrown out long before they can collect that much stuff
2016-11-20T11:32:48 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-20T11:32:50 < dongs> yeah k
2016-11-20T11:33:05 < dongs> unless youre ohsix
2016-11-20T11:37:10  * upgrdman looks into his keyboard. clean, just a bit of dust in there.
2016-11-20T11:37:23 < upgrdman> wtf are you guys doing over your keyboards? shaving your pubes?
2016-11-20T11:40:07 < jadew> I eat at my desk most of the time, but not on top of the keyboard
2016-11-20T11:41:01 < jadew> I think the various crumbs are from stuff like crackers, croisants and maybe sandwitches
2016-11-20T11:41:21 < jadew> upgrdman, how old is your keyboard?
2016-11-20T11:41:33 < upgrdman> 2yr ish
2016-11-20T11:41:43 < Kliment> The main source of keyboard crud for me is textile fibers
2016-11-20T11:41:48 < upgrdman> maybe 1.5yr
2016-11-20T11:44:39 < Kliment> upgrdman: Yay, now I can actually see the obscure warnings
2016-11-20T11:45:00 < upgrdman> yay
2016-11-20T11:45:06 < Kliment> upgrdman: This is mildly terrifying http://pastebin.com/Q14MG5C2
2016-11-20T11:45:52 < Kliment> given the type of the argument involved is uint8_t[6]
2016-11-20T11:46:23 < jadew> that sounds wrong
2016-11-20T11:46:55 < jadew> uint8_t whatever[6]; sizeof(whatever) should be 6, not sizeof uint8_t *
2016-11-20T11:47:44 < Kliment> Indeed
2016-11-20T11:48:04 < upgrdman> Kliment, hmm. is BlueNRG a whole MCU or just an SPI slave (or equiv)
2016-11-20T11:48:05 < zyp> it says «function parameter»
2016-11-20T11:48:11 < Kliment> upgrdman: Both
2016-11-20T11:48:14 < zyp> and function parameter arrays are not arrays
2016-11-20T11:48:37 < Kliment> upgrdman: In this case, just pretend it's a peripheral with supporting library
2016-11-20T11:48:43 < upgrdman> Kliment, what core is in it?
2016-11-20T11:48:50 < zyp> function parameter arrays are pointers, thus you get pointer size
2016-11-20T11:48:53 < Kliment> upgrdman: Not sure actually
2016-11-20T11:49:11 < zyp> pretty clever to have a warning there, since that could give unexpected bugs
2016-11-20T11:49:23 < jadew> zyp, what's a function paramter array?
2016-11-20T11:49:27 < Kliment> zyp: So do I need to be worried that it's passing the pointer size to memcpy?
2016-11-20T11:49:36 < zyp> void foo(uint8_t[6] blah);
2016-11-20T11:49:51 < zyp> is equivalent to void foo(uint8_t* blah);
2016-11-20T11:50:00 < dongs> what the hell
2016-11-20T11:50:10 < dongs> what shitty syntax is that
2016-11-20T11:50:13 < jadew> interesting, didn't know that and doesn't make sense
2016-11-20T11:50:27 < jadew> I mean, it doesn't make sense for it to be inconsistent like that
2016-11-20T11:51:31 < Kliment> dongs: just plain old normal C
2016-11-20T11:52:10 < zyp> there's the old debate on «char** argv» vs «char* argv[]»
2016-11-20T11:52:14 < Kliment> zyp: So I should pass the size of the array explicitly?
2016-11-20T11:52:31 < dongs> no
2016-11-20T11:52:38 < zyp> Kliment, yes, you have no other option
2016-11-20T11:53:06 < zyp> (short of macro magic or c++ templates)
2016-11-20T11:53:10 < Kliment> zyp: I don't want to think how many devices in the wild are using that code, it's part of the library for that device
2016-11-20T11:53:34 < dongs> this is how IdiOT sutff gets haxed
2016-11-20T11:53:57 < dongs> tho that memcpy is harmless
2016-11-20T11:54:04 < Kliment> dongs: Meh, in this case it truncates the mac address of the device
2016-11-20T11:54:06 < dongs> it will fuck up rather than overwrite a bunch of shit
2016-11-20T11:54:06 < dongs> yeah
2016-11-20T11:54:43 < jadew> I just tested it cuz I couldn't believe it
2016-11-20T11:54:45 < dongs> donno why a lot of ST API looks fucking awful
2016-11-20T11:54:56 < jadew> I wonder what the reason behind this behaviour is
2016-11-20T11:55:10 < dongs> jadew: which one, sizeof (pointertodongs) not being size of the array its poinitng to?
2016-11-20T11:55:13 < Kliment> jadew: That you have a limited amount of stack space I guess
2016-11-20T11:55:24 < jadew> dongs, not being the size of the array it's declared to be
2016-11-20T11:55:35 < dongs> ?
2016-11-20T11:55:35 < zyp> jadew, somebody sat down and decided that arrays can't be passed by value
2016-11-20T11:55:44 < dongs> jadew: sample code bcas.tv/paste
2016-11-20T11:56:24 < zyp> you can however wrap an array in a struct and pass that by value
2016-11-20T11:56:57 < zyp> but then you're locked into a fixed size either way, so sizeof() is not going to be very useful in any case
2016-11-20T11:57:02 < jadew> yeah, I guess it's refering to different things
2016-11-20T11:57:06 < jadew> I suppose it makes sense
2016-11-20T11:57:36 < jadew> dongs: http://bcas.tv/paste/results/P5hCO347.html
2016-11-20T11:59:14 < jadew> it will output 100 and then 4, which makes sense if you consider that you're passing a value to sizeof in main()
2016-11-20T11:59:26 < jadew> and a pointer in test()
2016-11-20T11:59:39 < dongs> yeah.
2016-11-20T11:59:40 < jadew> I wonder...
2016-11-20T11:59:42 < dongs> nothing weird there
2016-11-20T11:59:53 < dongs> < zyp> void foo(uint8_t[6] blah);
2016-11-20T12:00:03 < dongs> ^ this is first time I see this shit
2016-11-20T12:00:41 < dongs> then again, i had no idea "cocks"[2] was valid C, either
2016-11-20T12:00:52 < dongs> until i saw that in zyps code.
2016-11-20T12:01:04 < zyp> jadew, http://paste.jvnv.net/view/gQDR7
2016-11-20T12:02:19 < zyp> dongs, hmm, what was that?
2016-11-20T12:02:49 < zyp> hex formatting shit?
2016-11-20T12:03:05 < zyp> "0123456789abcdef"[x]?
2016-11-20T12:03:13 < dongs> yes
2016-11-20T12:04:08 < zyp> eh, that should be obvious
2016-11-20T12:04:23 < zyp> a string is a char array, and you can index into any array to get an element
2016-11-20T12:04:33 < dongs> oh sure, its obvious once you see it
2016-11-20T12:05:17 < Kliment> zyp: I changed it to sizeof(tBDAddr)
2016-11-20T12:05:23 < zyp> and it's faster than dicking around with something like (x > 9 ? 'a' + x - 10 : '0' + x)
2016-11-20T12:05:36 < Kliment> zyp: Which is #typedeffed to uint8_t[6]
2016-11-20T12:05:50 < zyp> Kliment, yeah, that'll work
2016-11-20T12:06:26 < Kliment> upgrdman: Any way to force eclipse to save everything when I run a build?
2016-11-20T12:07:57 < upgrdman> think so
2016-11-20T12:08:01 < upgrdman> hmm
2016-11-20T12:08:33 < upgrdman> http://help.eclipse.org/luna/index.jsp?topic=%2Forg.eclipse.cdt.doc.user%2Ftasks%2Fcdt_t_autosave.htm
2016-11-20T12:11:35 < Kliment> upgrdman: Also, any way to detect a build failing? I have an "external tool" configured for flashing a board using dfu. It will build, but then flash even if the build failed
2016-11-20T12:12:36 < upgrdman> dunno, probably
2016-11-20T12:13:02 < upgrdman> im going to bed. google is your friend, or else try ##eclipse or wait for leeloo to wake up
2016-11-20T12:13:56 < Kliment> Alright, sleep well, and thank you
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2016-11-20T13:34:08 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: another possibility is that your code enters wfi or wfe.
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2016-11-20T13:34:37 < PaulFertser> ColdKeyboard: but with srst and connect_assert_srst it doesn't matter at all. The flash contents is irrelevant if openocd is told to connect under reset.
2016-11-20T13:37:43 < Thorn> a working undervoltage protection circuit http://imgur.com/a/nloq2
2016-11-20T13:38:48 < karlp> Kliment: does your project properly report build failure itself? (is this a makefile editing in eclipse, or an eclipse project natively?)
2016-11-20T13:38:58 < Kliment> karlp: It's an eclipse project
2016-11-20T13:39:13 < Kliment> karlp: And yes, it halts the build on first error like it should
2016-11-20T13:42:09 < Kliment> karlp: But it then runs the external tool even though the build failed
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2016-11-20T15:30:03 < Steffanx> Sky?
2016-11-20T15:30:35 < Fleck> heaven?
2016-11-20T15:30:36 < stvn> up
2016-11-20T15:31:03 < stvn> hi stffnx
2016-11-20T15:36:53 < Steffanx> Hello stvn.
2016-11-20T15:37:19 < stvn> wb man
2016-11-20T15:37:28 < Steffanx> i didnt leave, you did.
2016-11-20T15:37:57 < stvn> welcome stvn 
2016-11-20T15:39:37 < stvn> nice work
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2016-11-20T16:08:47 < Kliment> Anyone know what STM32 lot numbers look like?
2016-11-20T16:09:55 < zyp> in what sense?
2016-11-20T16:11:28 < zyp> as far as I know, the 96-bit unique id for the chip contains both lot-number and x/y position of the die on the wafer, but exactly how it's composed is probably not specified
2016-11-20T16:11:36 < Kliment> It is specified
2016-11-20T16:11:42 < Kliment> The lot number is ascii encoded
2016-11-20T16:11:49 < Kliment> the xy position is bcd
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2016-11-20T16:12:04 < Kliment> and the wafer number is uint8_t
2016-11-20T16:12:19 < Kliment> I'm just wondering whether the lot numbers use the entire ASCII range
2016-11-20T16:12:36 < zyp> ah, okay
2016-11-20T16:12:46 < zyp> why?
2016-11-20T16:12:48 < Kliment> Or whether they have some specific format
2016-11-20T16:13:20 < Kliment> Putting together a function that generates a short random ID from the UID
2016-11-20T16:13:56 < zyp> just hash it?
2016-11-20T16:13:59 < Kliment> Trying to avoid collisions to the point that it's extremely unlikely that n devices (for very small n) have the same ID while keeping the ID as short as possible
2016-11-20T16:14:23 < Kliment> Yeah, that's basically what I'm doing. But then I got curious about what lot numbers look like
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2016-11-20T16:14:52 < zyp> I took the lazy route and just multiplied the three words to make a 32-bit id
2016-11-20T16:15:39 < zyp> probably not the best approach, but I don't expect either word to be zero, and I'm not too concerned about collisions
2016-11-20T16:15:55 < Kliment> Yeah, so far I'm using just the XY coords
2016-11-20T16:16:07 < Kliment> But multiplying is a good idea, I'll do that
2016-11-20T16:16:23 < Kliment> Or maybe xor them together
2016-11-20T16:16:31 < zyp> I'm just using it for usb ids, and it's only used to distinguish multiple devices connected to the same system
2016-11-20T16:16:45 < Kliment> Same, except BLE rather than USB
2016-11-20T16:17:06 < Kliment> And there won't ever be >5 of them together because bandwidth
2016-11-20T16:17:39 < zyp> I think multiplication is stronger than xor, as long as neither word will be 0
2016-11-20T16:18:33 < Kliment> I can imagine xy coords being 0/0
2016-11-20T16:18:49 < Kliment> I've seen some very low ones
2016-11-20T16:20:14 < Kliment> But the main reason I'm curious is because ST recommends using it for encryption key derivation, and the lot number appears to be structured data
2016-11-20T16:20:48 < zyp> well, assuming those are unsigned cartesian coords, given that a wafer is round, you can't have a die at 0,0
2016-11-20T16:21:05 < Kliment> True, didn't think of that
2016-11-20T16:21:44 < Kliment> I can also confirm that xy coords increase in the correct order on tape/reel
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2016-11-20T16:27:49 < Laurenceb_> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fba_1476909147
2016-11-20T16:28:44 < stvn> kool
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2016-11-20T16:41:54 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/7uO1mXE.png lul the script broke
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2016-11-20T16:50:20 < stvn> mm?
2016-11-20T17:00:28 < [7]> hmmmm
2016-11-20T17:00:31 < Laurenceb_> I'm in jail dude
2016-11-20T17:00:33 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/d0c6cd8a379246908296fa88c272e1f8f2007699544859b7c517ed487e38f1b8.jpg
2016-11-20T17:00:36 < [7]> I'm having some weird behavior here...
2016-11-20T17:00:53 < [7]> I have two external interrupt lines, ending up in the same NVIC handler
2016-11-20T17:01:14 < [7]> one of those is handled asynchronously, so I need to mask it until it's handled to even allow the (lower priority) handler to run
2016-11-20T17:01:26 < [7]> so I clear the corresponding bit in EXTI_IMR
2016-11-20T17:01:45 < [7]> however what I'm observing looks like it would be spinning in the IRQ regardless
2016-11-20T17:02:16 < [7]> i.e. (EXTI_IMR & EXTI_PR) == 0, yet I seem to keep spinning in the IRQ handler
2016-11-20T17:04:04 < zyp> IRQ status might take a few cycles to propagate, so if you're clearing it as the last thing you do before returning, NVIC might not have gotten that and makes you reenter immediately
2016-11-20T17:04:32 < [7]> zyp: I wouldn't care if the handler is double-run or anything, but it looks like nothing lower-priority ever gets a chance to run AFAICT
2016-11-20T17:05:08 < [7]> I'm not manually clearing anything in the NVIC, I think it does that by itself on IRQ entry?
2016-11-20T17:05:32 < [7]> I'm just writing to EXTI_IMR to mask the EXTI source that is pending
2016-11-20T17:05:58 < zyp> hang on, which part is this?
2016-11-20T17:06:02 < [7]> f072
2016-11-20T17:06:30 < zyp> give me a minute, gonna read up on EXTI
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2016-11-20T17:12:15 < [7]> hmm some further debugging suggests that IMR isn't actually re-evaluated
2016-11-20T17:13:00 < zyp> well, judging by the block diagram, IMR masks setting PR
2016-11-20T17:13:37 < [7]> that's what the reference manual seems to suggest, but that doesn't match what I'm observing
2016-11-20T17:13:44 < stvn> Laurenceb_, cool
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2016-11-20T17:14:13 < zyp> [7], no? it sounds like exactly what you're seeing
2016-11-20T17:14:55 < [7]> oh wait, PR is AFTER the IMR mask?
2016-11-20T17:15:04 < zyp> that's what I just said
2016-11-20T17:15:14 < [7]> the description seems to suggests that it's for pending stuff of any kind (also events?)
2016-11-20T17:15:25 < zyp> look at the block diagram
2016-11-20T17:15:35 < [7]> but then again, events probably don't have a "pending" state of any kind
2016-11-20T17:15:48 < zyp> no, they don't
2016-11-20T17:16:10 < [7]> so there is no way to mask an exti without losing info that it was pending :/
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2016-11-20T17:16:19 < [7]> i.e. I have to cache that somewhere in RAM
2016-11-20T17:16:40 < Rob235> what is wrong with people? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-38013000
2016-11-20T17:17:18 < zyp> doesn't seem like it, since you have to trigger on an edge, and if IMR is cleared, the whole event will be lost
2016-11-20T17:18:02 < zyp> you could mask the whole ISR in NVIC, but you might not want that since they're shared between multiple EXTI lines
2016-11-20T17:19:33 < zyp> looks like SWIER is self clearing too, otherwise you could have taken the event from PR, cleared it, set IMR and then SWIER
2016-11-20T17:20:40 < zyp> sounds like you're abusing priorities or something though, since this is a problem
2016-11-20T17:21:13 < zyp> I mean, why is this high priority if you need to defer processing it?
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2016-11-20T18:03:43 < [7]> zyp: same NVIC vector as a high priority EXTI
2016-11-20T18:04:02 < zyp> ah, haha
2016-11-20T18:04:17 < zyp> bad planning when selecting pins to use then
2016-11-20T18:04:39 < [7]> yup, didn't really think that I'd need an exti on a MISO line, but it turns out to be handy
2016-11-20T18:04:55 < zyp> ah, this is still that SD wait stuff?
2016-11-20T18:04:58 < [7]> yup
2016-11-20T18:05:14 < [7]> and given that you only have like 3 EXTI NVIC vectors on f072, you aren't all that flexible
2016-11-20T18:05:29 < [7]> works nicely though after figuring out that quirk
2016-11-20T18:05:45 < [7]> hm, 4 out of 10 boards passed self-test :/
2016-11-20T18:06:10 < [7]> one has overshoot on an SCL line... WTF?
2016-11-20T18:06:10 < zyp> so, did you find out whether MISO changes when unclocked, or are you DMAing to drive the clock?
2016-11-20T18:06:48 < [7]> zyp: I'm just flooding the SPI core using a circular DMA transfer, didn't bother with a timer (the only timer on that pin is TIM2 which is my microsecond timebase)
2016-11-20T18:07:07 < [7]> a bit of useless bus traffic, but meh
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2016-11-20T18:33:14 < [7]> hm, on one of the board, the MCU ignores its reset pin
2016-11-20T18:33:32 < [7]> I can probe right at the pin, and there isn't even the pull up
2016-11-20T18:33:45 < [7]> as if the bond wire was gone or something
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2016-11-20T19:24:05 < kakimir> why do I have to manually configure shit in IDE
2016-11-20T19:24:14 < kakimir> just give me ready made settings and wizard options
2016-11-20T19:24:32 < kakimir> and it's about compiling windows binary
2016-11-20T19:26:10 < kakimir> I think there even might be such
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2016-11-20T19:37:54 < kakimir> mingw doesn't seem to have any standard library stuff
2016-11-20T19:38:16 < kakimir> should I include standard library from somewhere else?
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2016-11-20T19:42:40 < Thorn> the european kingdom has banned magic. no wizards for kakimir
2016-11-20T19:42:48 < Kliment> kakimir: get msys
2016-11-20T19:43:30 < Kliment> kakimir: I think that has everything
2016-11-20T19:43:42 < kakimir> msys intalled 
2016-11-20T19:44:23 < kakimir> I'm actually in msys directory and there is nothing  about standard library
2016-11-20T19:44:35 < zyp> uh, libc should be included with mingw
2016-11-20T19:44:37 < Kliment> Food is ready, but I can check later what I ended up doing to get stuff built
2016-11-20T19:45:49 < kakimir> no I wmingw dir
2016-11-20T19:45:51 < [7]> what does a bkpt instruction do if there's no debugger attached?
2016-11-20T19:46:00 < kakimir> no I was in mingw dir
2016-11-20T19:46:14 < zyp> [7], depends
2016-11-20T19:46:19 < kakimir> when I gho in msys dir whole file structure is empty
2016-11-20T19:46:29 < kakimir> bin etc.etc.
2016-11-20T19:46:40 < kakimir> include - empty
2016-11-20T19:47:01 < Kliment> kakimir: Seems something failed to install correctly
2016-11-20T19:47:05 < [7]> is there a way to trigger a breakpoint only if a debugger is attached, and just step over it otherwise?
2016-11-20T19:47:07 < zyp> [7], there's some setting to configure behavior, I don't remember exactly but I'm looking up
2016-11-20T19:50:15 < kakimir> that is interesting idea
2016-11-20T19:50:56 < [7]> I guess one could take care of that in the hardfault handler
2016-11-20T19:53:34 < Tectu> I wish there would be words to describe how much I hate smooth scrolling
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2016-11-20T19:57:04 < zyp> Tectu, smooth scrolling?
2016-11-20T19:59:05 < ReadErr> like non-cogging scrolling?
2016-11-20T19:59:09 < ReadErr> line by line
2016-11-20T19:59:20 < Tectu> yes
2016-11-20T19:59:26 < zyp> what's wrong with that?
2016-11-20T19:59:32 < Tectu> dunno, it fucks with my brain
2016-11-20T19:59:35 < ReadErr> I cant use a non freewheel scrolling mouse anymore
2016-11-20T19:59:38 < Tectu> I expect lines to jump line wise.
2016-11-20T19:59:44 < ReadErr> need dat hyperscroll 
2016-11-20T19:59:53 < Tectu> I need discrete states in my life - everywhere
2016-11-20T20:00:12 < ReadErr> its too jumpy 
2016-11-20T20:00:26 < ReadErr> smooth you can scroll and read
2016-11-20T20:01:15 < zyp> [7], I think it's MON_EN in DEMCR
2016-11-20T20:03:35 < [7]> zyp: but I can't access that on M0 other than through SWD, can I?
2016-11-20T20:03:50 < [7]> i.e. without a debugger attached, a BKPT will always hard fault?
2016-11-20T20:04:11 < zyp> not sure about M0, but DEMCR should be available at 0xe000edfc
2016-11-20T20:04:39 < zyp> mon_en is bit 16, so I guess you could just set that and see how it goes
2016-11-20T20:06:17 < [7]> hm, reserved bit on M0
2016-11-20T20:07:04 < zyp> M0 doesn't have the register telling you hard fault reason either
2016-11-20T20:07:22 < zyp> so how about you just don't use semihosting in production builds? :p
2016-11-20T20:08:00 < [7]> zyp: I just want to catch various "should never happen" assertions with a breakpoint if I can, and with a LED blink pattern otherwise
2016-11-20T20:08:29 < Kliment> kakimir: Heya, did you figure out your thing?
2016-11-20T20:08:31 < [7]> so I guess I'll just do it with a hardfault handler that checks if the faulting instruction was a bkpt and just steps over it if it was
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2016-11-20T20:08:58 < zyp> uh, if it's an assertion, shouldn't you just let it fault? :)
2016-11-20T20:09:12 < zyp> what else can you do?
2016-11-20T20:09:12 < englishman> lol Laurenceb_ 
2016-11-20T20:10:03 < kakimir> Kliment: I need to do some install shit... why would it be an out of box solution when you can do all the stuff manually
2016-11-20T20:10:13 < [7]> zyp: I want to convey some information what actually caused the thing to crash
2016-11-20T20:10:25 < [7]> these assertions are things like timing faults etc.
2016-11-20T20:11:55 < Kliment> kakimir: It worked for me but I used cmake to set up dependencies
2016-11-20T20:12:02 < Kliment> kakimir: What are you building?
2016-11-20T20:12:18 < Kliment> kakimir: I mean, libc was definitely there by default after installing mingw and msys
2016-11-20T20:12:39 < kakimir> I installed mingw first to program files
2016-11-20T20:12:47 < kakimir> it hase all the bin
2016-11-20T20:12:55 < kakimir> then installed msys2 to root
2016-11-20T20:12:58 < kakimir> "root"
2016-11-20T20:13:12 < kakimir> it hase empty directories
2016-11-20T20:13:46 < kakimir> did I fail to install it how it was meant?
2016-11-20T20:16:37 < kakimir> I propably used some sucky installer for msys2
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2016-11-20T20:18:20 < kakimir> because there was different ones and I looked for what was lookin aids-free
2016-11-20T20:20:52 < kakimir> let's pacman -S base-devel
2016-11-20T20:21:54 < Kliment> kakimir: Let me find the instructions I wrote to the last person who had that problem
2016-11-20T20:22:42 < kakimir> there is libc in base-devel
2016-11-20T20:26:14 < Kliment> kakimir: Yeah, looks like I just installed mingw, nothing else
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2016-11-20T20:29:27 < kakimir> and it had like.. libc stuff?
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2016-11-20T20:30:04 < Kliment> kakimir: Looks like
2016-11-20T20:30:12 < kakimir> where exactly?
2016-11-20T20:30:22 < Kliment> kakimir: Let me fire up that machine and look
2016-11-20T20:32:00 < kakimir> so I need libc dev package too iirc?
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2016-11-20T20:33:39 < Kliment> kakimir: I installed in C:\mingw
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2016-11-20T20:34:35 < kakimir> hoe does you include look?
2016-11-20T20:34:35 < Kliment> kakimir: c:\mingw\include has all the expected stuff
2016-11-20T20:34:50 < Kliment> as goes lib
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2016-11-20T20:37:27 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKZHQtbFVkOXRiT2c/view?usp=sharing
2016-11-20T20:38:12 < [7]> wtf - "instruction not supported in Thumb16 mode -- adds r0, r0, #2"
2016-11-20T20:38:15 < [7]> what is not supported about that
2016-11-20T20:38:38 < [7]> TRM says Add	3-bit immediate	ADDS Rd, Rn, #<imm>	
2016-11-20T20:38:47 < [7]> or even 8-bit immediate	ADDS Rd, Rd, #<imm>
2016-11-20T20:39:31 < Kliment> kakimir: Testing fresh install using mingw-get
2016-11-20T20:39:50 < kakimir> I didn't use that
2016-11-20T20:39:53 < kakimir> something else
2016-11-20T20:40:14 < [7]> reminds me that I should upgrade to a newer gcc soon
2016-11-20T20:40:30 < Kliment> kakimir: Well, I recommend you do use that
2016-11-20T20:41:07 < kakimir> so the is no need for msys2?
2016-11-20T20:41:15 < Kliment> kakimir: installed packages are mingw-base and mingw-developer-tools and mingw-gcc-g++ and msys-base
2016-11-20T20:41:24 < Kliment> kakimir: All from the mingw-get installer
2016-11-20T20:42:08 < kakimir> should I remove everything now and start fresh?
2016-11-20T20:42:23 < kakimir> msys2, mingw everything?
2016-11-20T20:42:26 < Kliment> kakimir: I don't know what your setup is like now
2016-11-20T20:42:40 < Kliment> kakimir: But you can just run the installer and give it a different target dir
2016-11-20T20:42:57 < kakimir> I purge them
2016-11-20T20:43:34 < kakimir> all this waste of time just for testing my bare bones parsing functions
2016-11-20T20:43:45 < kakimir> those functions better be good
2016-11-20T20:44:00 < Kliment> kakimir: But libc is not among the options
2016-11-20T20:44:10 < Kliment> kakimir: It seems to be there by default
2016-11-20T20:44:38 < kakimir> what an you do without libc
2016-11-20T20:44:40 < Kliment> kakimir: It lets you select extras like gmp and pthreads
2016-11-20T20:44:56 < Kliment> So I guess your install was broken somehow
2016-11-20T20:45:31 < kakimir> I used something that looked aids free
2016-11-20T20:45:55 < kakimir> and it really was just base system and nothing else
2016-11-20T20:46:27 < Kliment> I got it from mingw.org's downloads link
2016-11-20T20:46:54 < Kliment> Which goes to sourceforge
2016-11-20T20:46:56 < Kliment> https://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/Installer/
2016-11-20T20:47:01 < kakimir> https://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/Installer/mingw-get/mingw-get-0.6.2-beta-20131004-1/ am I at the right place?
2016-11-20T20:47:35 < Kliment> https://sourceforge.net/projects/mingw/files/Installer/mingw-get-setup.exe/download is what I used
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2016-11-20T20:50:10 < ReadErr> Install Ubuntu for win10!
2016-11-20T20:50:34 < kakimir> run ubuntu on windows kernel
2016-11-20T20:50:55 < kakimir> I think there was some project that made that more than a joke
2016-11-20T20:51:01 < Kliment> Yes
2016-11-20T20:51:02 < ReadErr> Idk that's what they call it
2016-11-20T20:51:10 < ReadErr> It's real though
2016-11-20T20:51:19 < Steffanx> And it works better than i expected.
2016-11-20T20:51:25 < kakimir> it's like. sick
2016-11-20T20:51:25 < ReadErr> Indeed
2016-11-20T20:51:28 < Steffanx> Especially the apt-get part
2016-11-20T20:51:29 < kakimir> what is the purpose?
2016-11-20T20:51:47 < ReadErr> Ya grabbed yiutube-dl
2016-11-20T20:51:52 < kakimir> this getter installer looks kood
2016-11-20T20:51:53 < ReadErr> Works great
2016-11-20T20:53:18 < Kliment> kood?
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2016-11-20T20:53:49 < kakimir> güüd
2016-11-20T20:53:55 < Steffanx> yeah, sometimes when kakimir is semi-clear he messes this up by replacing random chatacters in words.
2016-11-20T20:54:20 < kakimir> it's compulsive
2016-11-20T20:56:57 < Kliment> güüd looks somewhat estonian
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2016-11-20T21:04:38 < ReadErr> kakimir: it's actually an official MS thing
2016-11-20T21:05:01 < kakimir> ReadErr: you kiddings?
2016-11-20T21:05:09 < kakimir> what are they trying?
2016-11-20T21:05:40 < ReadErr> Basically you can install every Ubuntu app in win10
2016-11-20T21:05:50 < kakimir> swallow ubuntu movement with their easy integration tool?
2016-11-20T21:06:36 < kakimir> because who really wants to dualboot?
2016-11-20T21:08:28 < Kliment> kakimir: Anyone who does USB dev
2016-11-20T21:08:40 < Kliment> kakimir: Because USB debugging on Windows is a nightmare
2016-11-20T21:10:05 < kakimir> what kind of interface you have for usb device?
2016-11-20T21:10:15 < Kliment> kakimir: What do you mean?
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2016-11-20T21:11:27 < kakimir> for your windows ubuntu programs
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2016-11-20T21:15:54 < Kliment> kakimir: Eh? I don't use windows ubuntu
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2016-11-20T21:27:18 < kakimir> Sad.
2016-11-20T21:27:59 < kakimir> can't find stddef.h
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2016-11-20T21:31:02 < dirty_d> I'm having a really weird problem, I'm sending data to my stm32 from my PC with a USB ftdi device. the 4609th byte is always 0x00 no matter what byte was sent, all other bytes are fine
2016-11-20T21:31:18 < dirty_d> there are 4672 being sent total
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2016-11-20T21:34:07 < ReadErr> Sounds  like you have a problem
2016-11-20T21:34:50 < kakimir> send less
2016-11-20T21:35:25 < kakimir> have you tried sendinf from another location?
2016-11-20T21:35:42 < Kliment> dirty_d: What are you sending to? UART?
2016-11-20T21:35:55 < kakimir> that should exclude memory fault
2016-11-20T21:35:57 < dirty_d> yup, USART1 on a F0
2016-11-20T21:36:18 < Kliment> dirty_d: If you change the baud rate, is it still the same byte?
2016-11-20T21:36:22 < dirty_d> im using CTS_RTS clow control
2016-11-20T21:36:29 < dirty_d> yea changed the baud rate, same byte
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2016-11-20T21:38:59 < dirty_d> im perplexed
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2016-11-20T21:46:00 < dirty_d> I changed from one 4672 byte write to 4672, 1 byte writes, same thing
2016-11-20T21:46:14 < Kliment> dirty_d: And the data looks good on the wire?
2016-11-20T21:48:20 < dirty_d> i have no way to look at it
2016-11-20T21:50:09 < Kliment> Short rx and tx
2016-11-20T21:50:25 < Kliment> And disable the UART on the stm32
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2016-11-20T21:52:56 < dirty_d> wait what?
2016-11-20T21:54:07 < Kliment> Then you can look at the data on the line
2016-11-20T21:54:37 < Kliment> Because it's coming back on the input of the ftdi
2016-11-20T21:56:10 < ReadErr> Loopback
2016-11-20T21:56:31 < dirty_d> ahhh, ok
2016-11-20T21:56:34 < dirty_d> good idea
2016-11-20T21:58:10 < Kliment> Just make sure you have the stm32 in reset or the pins set to hi-z
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2016-11-20T22:16:41  * [7] loves sigrok: http://i.imgur.com/v2ZLn5O.png
2016-11-20T22:18:36 < [7]> but why is the sd card doing this? http://i.imgur.com/AZrLBzL.png
2016-11-20T22:18:45 < [7]> the card seems to work just fine in my laptop
2016-11-20T22:19:31 < [7]> CMD1 => "illegal command" WTF?
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2016-11-20T22:29:13 < wanderman> that try to do drug smuggling
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2016-11-20T22:33:17 < ReadErr> 'wat'
2016-11-20T22:35:23 < dirty_d> Kliment, when i `cat /dev/ttyUSB0` it just keeps recieving data forever
2016-11-20T22:35:35 < dirty_d> even though only sent it once
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2016-11-20T22:44:11 < dirty_d> ahh, echo was on
2016-11-20T22:47:47 < dirty_d> Kliment, data looks fine, must be a problem on the stm32 side
2016-11-20T22:48:56 < dirty_d> see anything obvious? http://codepad.org/8GdaTlAr
2016-11-20T22:49:33 < dirty_d> i commented a lot out so only the usart code is running
2016-11-20T22:49:46 < [7]> hm, does anyone have an idea why an SD card that seems to be working in SD mode doesn't work in SPI mode (seems to be able to communicate, but rejects ACMD41 and CMD1 with "illegal command")?
2016-11-20T22:49:46 < [7]> logic analyzer trace of the last part of that: http://i.imgur.com/AZrLBzL.png
2016-11-20T22:49:59 < wanderman> obviously lengthy
2016-11-20T22:51:49 < Kliment> [7]: Is it Kingston?
2016-11-20T22:52:12 < [7]> noname china stuff - 6 of them work both in SD and SPI mode, 4 only on SD mode
2016-11-20T22:52:21 < ReadErr> wth is systick_set_reload(632); for
2016-11-20T22:52:23 < Kliment> [7]: I remember something like that from years ago, I think it needed a power cycle before the command
2016-11-20T22:52:30 < [7]> although they look virtually identical, I suspect that they have different dies inside
2016-11-20T22:52:52 < [7]> just wondering if that behavior rings a bell somewhere, with maybe a software workaround
2016-11-20T22:54:13 < [7]> dirty_d: does that also happen if you insert a little delay somewhere within the 4000-ish bytes that are being received fine?
2016-11-20T22:55:30 < [7]> I'd try getting rid of systick as well - maybe it's causing some kind of delay at the wrong time, causing an overflow?
2016-11-20T22:55:36 < Kliment> [7]: < dirty_d> I changed from one 4672 byte write to 4672, 1 byte writes, same thing
2016-11-20T22:55:37 < [7]> are any UART error bits set?
2016-11-20T22:55:54 < [7]> with delays in between?
2016-11-20T22:56:02 < [7]> or effectively joined together by the FTDI?
2016-11-20T22:57:25 < [7]> that whole systick-based PWM thing looks like another timer would likely be more suitable for that job
2016-11-20T22:57:36 < [7]> not quite sure what exactly it is supposed to do though
2016-11-20T23:09:52 < dirty_d> the systick stuff isnt running, also theres no usart1 error interrupt
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2016-11-20T23:10:19 < dirty_d> i added usart_enable_error_interrupt(USART1); and usart1_isr
2016-11-20T23:28:57 < dirty_d> p/b USART1_ISR -> 11000100001011011111000
2016-11-20T23:29:53 < ohsix> sup pals
2016-11-20T23:32:39 < dirty_d> looks like the overrun error bit is set
2016-11-20T23:32:52 < zyp> how about p/x so that shit is actually possible to read?
2016-11-20T23:32:54 < dirty_d> how would that happen, i have cts/rts flow control enabled
2016-11-20T23:33:04 < dirty_d> 0x6216f8
2016-11-20T23:33:17 < zyp> which chip is this?
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2016-11-20T23:33:57 < dirty_d> STM32F051R8T6
2016-11-20T23:34:02 < dirty_d> stm32f0discovery
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2016-11-20T23:39:58 < zyp> got the flow control lines configured correctly?
2016-11-20T23:40:03 < zyp> wrt. AF and everything
2016-11-20T23:40:17 < ohsix> dirty_d: pootie tang?
2016-11-20T23:42:41 < dirty_d> zyp, I have RTS on the stm32 going to CTS on the FTDI, and vice versa
2016-11-20T23:42:49 < dirty_d> ohsix, hmm?
2016-11-20T23:43:08 < dirty_d> zyp, what's AF?
2016-11-20T23:43:19 < zyp> GPIO settings for the involved pins
2016-11-20T23:43:23 < dirty_d> oh yea
2016-11-20T23:43:32 < dirty_d> here's what I have http://codepad.org/8GdaTlAr
2016-11-20T23:43:53 < dirty_d> its only 1 byte out of about 5000 that's getting screwed up
2016-11-20T23:44:03 < dirty_d> and always the same one
2016-11-20T23:44:34 < zyp> fun
2016-11-20T23:44:45 < zyp> checked the bus with a LA to see what's going on there?
2016-11-20T23:45:01 < ohsix> dirty_d: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujtDim8GI-4
2016-11-20T23:45:14 < ohsix> er that isn't it agh
2016-11-20T23:45:41 < dirty_d> zyp, nah, i dont have one, but i shorted the tx and rx pins on the FTDI, and its recieving what its supposed to be sending
2016-11-20T23:45:48 < dirty_d> so it does seem it's a problem with the stm32
2016-11-20T23:46:09 < ohsix> the videos are dropping of the internets D:
2016-11-20T23:46:23 < dirty_d> which ones?\
2016-11-20T23:50:16 < ohsix> dirty_d: clips of pootie tang, there's a guy named dirty dee in there, there was a video of his intro
2016-11-20T23:50:40 < dirty_d> oh, lol
2016-11-20T23:50:54 < ohsix> that bit is just after
2016-11-20T23:51:26 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMFuuOG39no this has it in it but the audio sucks balls
2016-11-20T23:52:48 < ohsix> true story, i'm the only one on the planet that liked that movie
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2016-11-20T23:56:55 < dirty_d> oh, If CTS# is logic 1 it is indicating the external device cannot accept more data. the FTxxx will stop transmitting within 0~3 characters, depending on what is in the buffer.
2016-11-20T23:57:04 < dirty_d> what kinda bullshit is that
2016-11-20T23:57:29 < dirty_d> that must be whats breaking it, 0-3 characters
2016-11-20T23:58:38 < jadew> dirty_d, lol
2016-11-20T23:59:33 < jadew> is this happening on all of them?
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2016-11-21T00:02:47 < dirty_d> all what?
2016-11-21T00:04:54 < jadew> all FT ICs
2016-11-21T00:08:03 < zyp> that sounds pretty useless
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2016-11-21T00:10:37 < flydroid> Wow
2016-11-21T00:11:19 < flydroid> So stock range of.common comsumer version is -40f and +185f
2016-11-21T00:12:00 < flydroid> Not bad i doubt you could get more complex chips to fare as well
2016-11-21T00:13:50 < flydroid> Meaning i would die before.a stm32m0 would in.a car in shithole pa winters or summers
2016-11-21T00:15:22 < dirty_d> i only have one
2016-11-21T00:15:34 < dirty_d> hmm, i think the overflow flag was just coming from my breakpoint haling execution
2016-11-21T00:15:34 < flydroid> Also.as.power and remote node link controllers, they would need the simpliest of heating or cooling at worse
2016-11-21T00:15:44 < dirty_d> if i just let it run, the overflow flag isnt set
2016-11-21T00:15:47 < jadew> flyback, what's that in Celsius?
2016-11-21T00:15:50 < dirty_d> this is madness
2016-11-21T00:16:01 < flydroid> Heatpipe or a peltier or power resistor
2016-11-21T00:16:02 < ohsix> this is sparta
2016-11-21T00:16:18 < flydroid> Damn right it is
2016-11-21T00:16:38 < jadew> dirty_d, yeah, it's not going to help you with anything
2016-11-21T00:17:05 < jadew> except if you're consuming each byte at a time and you keep track of the buffer
2016-11-21T00:17:13 < jadew> but that's an edge case
2016-11-21T00:18:07 < jadew> noramlly those flags would be set by hardware when the buffer you assign gets full
2016-11-21T00:19:45 < ohsix> everyone see pootie tang
2016-11-21T00:19:46 < ohsix> bbl
2016-11-21T00:19:54 < ohsix> i can send the vidya to ne1 later
2016-11-21T00:20:01 < ohsix> 90m of pure nonsense
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2016-11-21T00:26:44 < jadew> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=47d_1479587087
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2016-11-21T00:36:41 < dirty_d> i changed it to use USART2 instead of USART1, same problem on the same byte
2016-11-21T00:36:44 < dirty_d> weird
2016-11-21T00:39:23 < jadew> Laurenceb, about your link, is it illegal in the UK to say racist stuff?
2016-11-21T00:40:17 < jadew> I thought that only makes you a jerk, not a fellon
2016-11-21T00:41:02 < jadew> that's silly
2016-11-21T00:41:27 < jadew> going to jail for being mean lol
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2016-11-21T00:42:27 < jadew> wtf
2016-11-21T00:42:40 < jadew> those are all valid reasons for discrimination
2016-11-21T00:43:19 < jadew> no, but consider it, you're planning to hire someone
2016-11-21T00:43:48 < jadew> would you not discriminate based on all those things? except for the sex orientation
2016-11-21T00:43:58 < jadew> that's not going to affect someone's performance
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2016-11-21T00:44:20 < jadew> well age, some people may be too young to have the understanding you're looking for
2016-11-21T00:44:40 < jadew> or too old to grasp modern concepts that you plan to throw at them
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2016-11-21T00:44:55 < jadew> the transexual stuff doesn't matter to me
2016-11-21T00:45:02 < jadew> being married may also be important
2016-11-21T00:45:15 < jadew> it can affect performance a lot
2016-11-21T00:45:40 < jadew> LeelooMinai, well, they may be qualified, but their performance will differ, based on some of that stuff
2016-11-21T00:45:51 < jadew> you don't hire for qualification, you hire for what they'll be able to do for you
2016-11-21T00:46:08 < jadew> and if someone else is more capable of doing that stuff, because he ticks the right boxes, then you hire that person
2016-11-21T00:46:20 < jadew> sure you are, that's hwo we function
2016-11-21T00:46:23 < jadew> *how
2016-11-21T00:47:03 < jadew> stereotypes have helped us survive so far and that's because they're largely true
2016-11-21T00:47:51 < jadew> we form them based on observed behaviour and it's much safer to dismiss an entire category because the majority does something and make exceptions for the exceptions
2016-11-21T00:48:09 < jadew> than to generalize based on exceptions and make exceptions out of the general behaviour
2016-11-21T00:49:57 < jadew> it's just how I see things, if I'm going to hire someone, I'm going to discrimiate against how I think they're going to perform
2016-11-21T00:50:09 < jadew> in the end, I don't care about who or how they are
2016-11-21T00:50:29 < jadew> but who or how they are are indications of what their performance is going to be like
2016-11-21T00:50:42 < dirty_d> it seems like 0 is really being sent, because the cahracter match flag is set, since the default character to match is 0
2016-11-21T00:51:33 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I once interviewed someone I couldn't understand because of a speech impediment
2016-11-21T00:52:03 < jadew> that was at my previous job
2016-11-21T00:52:12 < jadew> should I have hired that person?
2016-11-21T00:52:51 < jadew> it would have been the difference between a 2 minutes conversation and half an hour or more
2016-11-21T00:53:13 < jadew> the job obviously didn't require perfect speech
2016-11-21T00:53:27 < jadew> still, hireing that person would have costed me a lot of time
2016-11-21T00:54:07 < jadew> LeelooMinai, not really, the only solution to such issues is lower pay
2016-11-21T00:54:13 < jadew> but that's not always possible
2016-11-21T00:54:37 < jadew> no, because lower performance
2016-11-21T00:55:04 < jadew> LeelooMinai, it's not all about writing code
2016-11-21T00:55:19 < jadew> if they can't communicate issues with the rest of the team, they fall behind
2016-11-21T00:55:25 < jadew> and they pull the otherones down too
2016-11-21T00:55:31 < jadew> porgrammer
2016-11-21T00:56:26 < jadew> that's not how we rolled tho
2016-11-21T00:56:57 < jadew> and changing the way the teams worked because of someone else's needs is hardly fair for us
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2016-11-21T00:57:26 < jadew> it's not our responsibility to shoulder his shortcommings
2016-11-21T00:57:49 < jadew> again, a lower wage would have been fine, but that's not always possible and these people end up unemployed because of that
2016-11-21T00:58:26 < jadew> programmers do have meetings
2016-11-21T00:59:50 < jadew> given that, I think it's perfectly fine to discriminate based on may of those attributes, simply because they forecast the performance that individual is going to have
2016-11-21T01:00:15 < jadew> may not always be true, but it's better to generalize first and make exceptions than not to and make an exception of the general behaviour
2016-11-21T01:00:40 < jadew> *many
2016-11-21T01:01:01 < jadew> hehe
2016-11-21T01:01:26 < jadew> I think government involvement in the process is a big problem, everyone would be better off without it
2016-11-21T01:01:58 < jadew> because as I was saying, people that are normally discriminated against, would still get jobs (lower paying tho), instead of not getting any jobs at all
2016-11-21T01:02:18 < jadew> and regardless of what the law says, they are getting discriminated against
2016-11-21T01:02:28 < jadew> even in the UK, I'm sure
2016-11-21T01:02:44 < jadew> you can't force some moral values that have no connection to reality, through law
2016-11-21T01:03:35 < jadew> I don't agree to discriminating based on the racial stuff when hireing for example, because that again, has no value for any position
2016-11-21T01:04:19 < jadew> LeelooMinai, no, in that case the reality is that most people are not getting murdered and that most people would like not to be murdered, even tho the minority of murderers would like not be be prosecuted
2016-11-21T01:05:42 < jadew> I'm sure of that too, but again, it's not fair to the employer
2016-11-21T01:06:38 < jadew> it would only be fair, if the employer was allowed to pay the disabled person less (if the disability indeed had something to do with performance)
2016-11-21T01:08:21 < jadew> I disagree, I believe companies fight for tallent
2016-11-21T01:08:50 < jadew> and if you can deliver that tallent, it won't matter to them that you have some shortcomings in something unrelated to what it takes to do your job
2016-11-21T01:08:58 < jadew> but if you do
2016-11-21T01:09:16 < jadew> then they have no choice but to pay you less, if they think what you have to offer is still valuable
2016-11-21T01:09:38 < jadew> if they can't do that, they just won't hire, because they can find someone how can deliver more for the same money
2016-11-21T01:10:45 < jadew> it's not just about that, it's about being able to pay what the person is worth to you
2016-11-21T01:10:57 < jadew> if you're forced to pay more than they're worth, you don't hire them
2016-11-21T01:11:26 < Laurenceb_> <jadew> its a troll
2016-11-21T01:11:37 < Laurenceb_> some reddit trolls got doxed
2016-11-21T01:11:45 < Laurenceb_> then /b/ tards sent them those letters
2016-11-21T01:11:45 < jadew> Laurenceb, ah, that's good to know hehe
2016-11-21T01:11:56 < Laurenceb_> but they fail so bad its obviously fake
2016-11-21T01:11:59 < Laurenceb_> check the spelling
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2016-11-21T01:12:45 < jadew> LeelooMinai, oh, sure they can, for example, mediocre programmers of 30+ that have been programming for a long while, will never become great
2016-11-21T01:12:54 < jadew> so you can't bet on that person getting better
2016-11-21T01:13:05 < jadew> however, a mediocre programmer of 20, is a gable
2016-11-21T01:13:13 < jadew> could turn great, could stagnate
2016-11-21T01:13:30 < jadew> but it's better value than someone who has already proven that he can't become great
2016-11-21T01:13:58 < Laurenceb_> I don't discriminate when hiring staff to run my gas chamber
2016-11-21T01:14:00 < Laurenceb_> its all cool
2016-11-21T01:14:40 < jadew> LeelooMinai, you could be right, but at the moment I see it as something that's being done anyway and made worse by wage laws and stuff like that.
2016-11-21T01:15:13 < jadew> *is a gamble
2016-11-21T01:16:02 < jadew> LeelooMinai, of course, but what happened there was just stupid
2016-11-21T01:16:30 < jadew> I'm, just advocating that everyone should be reasonable
2016-11-21T01:16:36 < jadew> going into either extreme is bad
2016-11-21T01:17:05 < jadew> because everyone is going to act in their own self interest and because of that, extreme behaviour will affect someone more than it should
2016-11-21T01:19:31 < jadew> hehe
2016-11-21T01:20:35 < jadew> consider this point: "religion, belief or lack of religion/belief"
2016-11-21T01:20:46 < jadew> would you not discriminate agains when hireing a scientist?
2016-11-21T01:20:56 < jadew> or a surgeon for example
2016-11-21T01:21:06 < jadew> *against
2016-11-21T01:21:43 < sync> well, for a company hiring women is always a risk
2016-11-21T01:21:51 < jadew> would you feel safer knowing that the person handling the knife is someone who strives to understand everything about the human body and how it came to be or someone who _might_ be fine with "god did it"
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2016-11-21T01:22:27 < jadew> sync, true
2016-11-21T01:23:46 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I'm talking about having a choice
2016-11-21T01:24:00 < jadew> between two surgeons you never heard about, you just know their religious inclinations
2016-11-21T01:24:06 < jadew> which one would you chose?
2016-11-21T01:24:14 < jadew> *choose?
2016-11-21T01:24:47 < jadew> come on, be honest, you'd pick the athesit, isn't it?
2016-11-21T01:25:13 < sync> the employer always will have that freedom
2016-11-21T01:25:23 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-21T01:25:37 < sync> I mean, you cannot really force a company to pay someone
2016-11-21T01:26:01 < sync> and quotas for large companies always lead to less qualified persons filling positions
2016-11-21T01:27:16 < jadew> LeelooMinai, what if they discriminated based on something else, not color of skin
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2016-11-21T01:27:37 < jadew> and it just happens that the other guy is non black, but doesn't have 10 kids
2016-11-21T01:27:49 < sync> qualification is not always what it says on the paper, that's the problem with the whole deal
2016-11-21T01:28:09 < jadew> LeelooMinai, you'd think so, but no
2016-11-21T01:28:30 < jadew> my wife works in a pharmacy where everyone there has kids and have special needs because of that
2016-11-21T01:28:41 < jadew> needless ot say, the pharmacy is regularly swarming with kids
2016-11-21T01:29:12 < jadew> no, but this stuff is usually discussed during the employment process
2016-11-21T01:29:28 < jadew> "so you know... I have 3 kids, sometimes I might have to bring one or two along for a couple of hours"
2016-11-21T01:29:34 < jadew> that may be acceptable, or not
2016-11-21T01:29:51 < jadew> when it is acceptable, it's acceptable, when it isn't, you can't say it's discrimination
2016-11-21T01:31:37 < jadew> I don't agree to a lot of Trump stuff
2016-11-21T01:31:45 < jadew> I think I'm not leaning either way
2016-11-21T01:31:50 < jadew> I'm in the middle
2016-11-21T01:33:26 < jadew> I think it's important in these sort of discussions to be a bit cold blooded and ignore everyone's dreams and wishes, because otherwise you won't come to a fair conclusion
2016-11-21T01:33:48 < jadew> the reality is that those people's wishes don't matter more than the employer's wishes
2016-11-21T01:34:22 < jadew> the conclusion you have to come to has to be fair
2016-11-21T01:34:35 < jadew> personally I don't think that fairness is being delivered when you're forcing someone's hand
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2016-11-21T01:36:44 < jadew> that's debatable too, I hate being an employee and I believe I deserve more
2016-11-21T01:36:55 < jadew> but sometimes we wouldn't do anything without an employer enabling us to do it
2016-11-21T01:37:45 < jadew> sorry, didn't get the first part
2016-11-21T01:37:58 < jadew> (before the comma)
2016-11-21T01:39:10 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I think everyone would, but there's a problem there
2016-11-21T01:39:47 < jadew> the problem is that you can't really take from a business without taking from everyone else
2016-11-21T01:40:33 < jadew> if they have to pay more to sell X, they won't pull money from their pockets
2016-11-21T01:40:38 < jadew> they'll just increase the price
2016-11-21T01:40:42 < jadew> or if possible, lower sallaries
2016-11-21T01:41:04 < jadew> yeah, I agree with you on that
2016-11-21T01:41:46 < jadew> I haven't thought about the subject of monopoly enough, but I think that's what the problem is in the US
2016-11-21T01:41:50 < jadew> and CA for that matter
2016-11-21T01:42:59 < jadew> for sure
2016-11-21T01:43:04 < jadew> enjoy
2016-11-21T01:43:08 < jadew> I should get something to eat too
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2016-11-21T01:48:06 < upgrdman> why did the c++ programmer look in the toilet? he was try to CPP.
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2016-11-21T01:52:35 < jadew> lol count: 0
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2016-11-21T01:59:52 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/WxhmGS3.jpg
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2016-11-21T02:00:14 < jadew> awesome
2016-11-21T02:00:22 < stvn> super
2016-11-21T02:02:04 < jadew> a blonw cap would have made the image even better
2016-11-21T02:02:36 < jadew> the scale is wrong tho
2016-11-21T02:03:05 < jadew> 20 uF @ 25 V cap is huge, while 220 uF @ 25 V is many times smaller
2016-11-21T02:04:01 < sync> special order high ripple current version
2016-11-21T02:12:11 < englishman> dat ic on the left
2016-11-21T02:12:50 < jadew> englishman, hehe, didn't notice that one
2016-11-21T02:18:12 < upgrdman> http://content.randomenthusiasm.com/fd4a9f1f80fe2386e7a6a2773a2e14fd.gif
2016-11-21T02:19:22 < upgrdman> oh japan  https://gfycat.com/DefiantLegitimateIrishwaterspaniel
2016-11-21T02:19:50 < jadew> lol, that hurt
2016-11-21T02:28:02 < KreAture_> Hmm, I wonder if most sdram has same pinout
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2016-11-21T02:48:25 < Kerr-A> For some reason I cant seem to get output from PB4 on stm8s103F3. Is there domething I'm missing?
2016-11-21T02:48:33 < Kerr-A> Pastbin to follow shortly
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2016-11-21T02:49:39 < Kerr-A> http://pastebin.com/6Qu896Qf
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2016-11-21T02:51:24 < zyp> yeah, you've got stm24 too little
2016-11-21T02:51:33 < zyp> you need to get four times the stm
2016-11-21T02:52:27 < Kerr-A> I just did 0xff. I had tried 0x10, but that didn't work. as a note, PB5 functions as expected
2016-11-21T02:52:39 < [7]> Kliment: the SD cards needs a CS deselect edge, followed by 8 clocks, followed by a CS select edge, between every pair of commands
2016-11-21T02:52:42 < Kerr-A> Why does everyone talk shit about stm8 every time I come here
2016-11-21T02:53:15 < Kerr-A> also all PC pins act as expected, I just cant get output from PB
2016-11-21T02:53:18 < Kerr-A> *PB4
2016-11-21T02:53:26 < jadew> lol zyp
2016-11-21T02:56:01 < Kerr-A> Jadew?
2016-11-21T02:56:05 < Kerr-A> Any idea?
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2016-11-21T02:56:15 < jadew> never worked with stm8, sorry
2016-11-21T02:56:59  * Kerr-A doesnt see why they are so different
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2016-11-21T02:59:52  * [7] once had a quick glance at a datasheet of one and thought "looks quite efficient, but meh, why go for that low-end stuff if you can get something much more powerful for a couple of cents"
2016-11-21T03:00:08 < Kerr-A> So I just looked at the same parts of the datasheets for stm32 as Im looking at for the stm8...
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2016-11-21T03:00:17 < Kerr-A> There are just more bits. literally. wider table
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2016-11-21T03:00:52 < Kerr-A> instead of 8 bits in PB_ODR there are 32
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2016-11-21T03:02:01 < [7]> having a 32 bit wide int type (and single-cycle arithmetics etc. on that) is quite helpful sometimes
2016-11-21T03:02:35 < Kerr-A> Buying a chip for $0.20 is fun in its own right
2016-11-21T03:03:10 < Kerr-A> FWIW I have a pile of stm32 chips I haven't soldered onto anything yet, I just decided to play with stm8 chips first
2016-11-21T03:04:42 < stvn> bits
2016-11-21T03:09:43 < Kerr-A> For some reason I can't seem to get output from PB4 on stm32. Is there something I'm missing? Pastebin to follow shortly.
2016-11-21T03:09:49 < Kerr-A> http://pastebin.com/6Qu896Qf
2016-11-21T03:12:01 < Kerr-A> Other pins on the B port work fine, just PB4 won't give me anything.
2016-11-21T03:12:36 < Kerr-A> * and sorry it's an STM8s103f3
2016-11-21T03:13:00 < Kerr-A> If you read up you'll see I just reposted and said "stm32" instead of stm8
2016-11-21T03:13:21 < Kerr-A> stm8s103f3 in tssop20 package
2016-11-21T03:16:04 < Kerr-A> All the PC pins work as I expect so IDK
2016-11-21T03:16:54 < Kerr-A> one moment and ill paste the whole program
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2016-11-21T03:21:37 < Kerr-A> http://pastebin.com/buXtjA6E
2016-11-21T03:21:54 < stvn> emdrive powered hoverboard
2016-11-21T03:23:19 < Kerr-A> Line 23: Set all PB pins to output, line 24: Set all PB pins to push/pull, line 27: turn off all PB pins, line 29, Turn on all PB pins
2016-11-21T03:23:56 < Kerr-A> PB5 is turning on and off rapidly, as I expect, but PB4 is just sitting low.
2016-11-21T03:25:09 < Kerr-A> If I substitute PB for PC in the program, PC3,4,5,6,7 all behave as expected
2016-11-21T03:26:48 < Kerr-A> Also I tried my probe lead directly on the PB4 pin on the chip, as opposed to at the end of my breakout board. Same result.
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2016-11-21T03:29:38  * Kerr-A is going to go try another chip, just in case it a chip issue
2016-11-21T03:31:01 < Kerr-A> Just using a naiive delay at the moment, until I learn how to use the timers. (I'm new to embedded)
2016-11-21T03:31:30 < [7]> Kerr-A: I had similar issues today, where a pin's connection to the die was apparently broken
2016-11-21T03:32:01 < Kerr-A> Fwiw it's only the second chip I've soldered to a board. I guess damage is possible.
2016-11-21T03:32:15 < [7]> from what it looked like, the pin was bent a little while assembling the chip to the board, and even though it did still connect to the pad and not to neighboring pins, it lost its connection to its bond wire apparently
2016-11-21T03:32:17 < Kerr-A> But it went super smooth so IDK
2016-11-21T03:32:57 < [7]> it was the nRST pin, so it was rather annoying to figure out ;)
2016-11-21T03:33:03 < Kerr-A> lol
2016-11-21T03:34:47  * Kerr-A wishes he bought one of these http://www.ebay.com/itm/261604262570
2016-11-21T03:35:09  * Kerr-A goes to other room to solder on another chip
2016-11-21T03:43:15  * Kerr-A has returned
2016-11-21T03:43:42 < Kerr-A> Why do chips come with the protection bits enabled?
2016-11-21T03:44:52 < [7]> do they?
2016-11-21T03:45:01 < Kerr-A> These ones did
2016-11-21T03:45:23 < Kerr-A> Took a while to figure out how to disable them :/
2016-11-21T03:45:37 < [7]> what kind of protection?
2016-11-21T03:45:48 < Kerr-A> ROP
2016-11-21T03:46:03 < [7]> hm, never seen that on stm32 (and haven't dealt with stm8 so far)
2016-11-21T03:46:18 < [7]> where are the chips coming from? ebay/ali or something trustworthy?
2016-11-21T03:46:37 < Kerr-A> Cant read out existing code, or flash new code to it until you re-write all the option bits using STVP
2016-11-21T03:46:47 < Kerr-A> Ebay
2016-11-21T03:47:11 < [7]> I've seen enough surplus pre-programmed SPI flash chips there before...
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2016-11-21T03:55:22 < Kerr-A> Same results
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2016-11-21T04:05:16 < Kerr-A> Oh, Hey, Advantage to stm8: internal oscillator
2016-11-21T04:05:33 < [7]> huh? compared to what? even atmels have that
2016-11-21T04:05:56 < Kerr-A> Well the stm32's i looked at needed an external oscillator
2016-11-21T04:06:28 < [7]> if you want timing-critical stuff like USB for which a 1%-trimmed oscillator isn't sufficient, you might need one
2016-11-21T04:06:48 < [7]> but the newer generations can even do that using CRS instead of an xtal
2016-11-21T04:07:36 < [7]> i.e. re-trim their internal RC-osc based on external signals such as USB packets, a 32768Hz quartz oscillator, or whatever
2016-11-21T04:07:55 < [7]> they can even use the power grid sine wave ;)
2016-11-21T04:11:21  * Kerr-A just realized he's missing a ton of stuff
2016-11-21T04:11:36  * Kerr-A wonders where all his eeprom and other spare chips went
2016-11-21T04:17:18  * Kerr-A is starting to get upset
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2016-11-21T04:19:02  * Kerr-A 's mom isn't here
2016-11-21T04:19:59 < Kerr-A> I haven't seen that stuff since I moved. Shit.
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2016-11-21T04:32:22 < jadew> you know what would be a good idea for a kickstarter? a handheld printer
2016-11-21T04:32:38 < jadew> so you can print stuff directly your notebook pages
2016-11-21T04:32:53 < jadew> need a graph? just hold the printer on the paper and drag down
2016-11-21T04:33:09 < jadew> that would be awesome
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2016-11-21T04:36:42 < stvn> jadew you should make IoT devices and kickstart them
2016-11-21T04:37:23 < jadew> not my cup of tea, although I had an idea for something that wouldn't work without an internet connection
2016-11-21T04:37:54 < stvn> okay
2016-11-21T04:38:10 < stvn> my screwdriver is that type of device
2016-11-21T04:38:25 < stvn> IoT is skynet
2016-11-21T04:40:12 < Kerr-A> Isn't the IOT just *way* overhyped?
2016-11-21T04:40:33 < stvn> nobody knows why its being promoted
2016-11-21T04:40:44 < stvn> just sounds like a load of horseshit to me.... but what would I know
2016-11-21T04:40:46  * Kerr-A either
2016-11-21T04:40:53 < jadew> I agree
2016-11-21T04:41:15 < Kerr-A> Robot vacuum? Cool. Coffemaker connected to the internet? why?
2016-11-21T04:41:34 < Kerr-A> Security system connected to the internet is cool, but 
2016-11-21T04:41:53 < stvn> when the coffee machine becomes self aware it will burn your dick off
2016-11-21T04:42:28 < jadew> it's not meaningless if you're a consumer
2016-11-21T04:42:42 < jadew> if you're a consumer it's "oh, this must be cool"
2016-11-21T04:44:30 < stvn> yeah that's pretty cool
2016-11-21T04:45:05 < jadew> but then they couldn't advertise everything as IoT
2016-11-21T04:45:17 < Kerr-A> http://www.newark.com/stmicroelectronics/stm8tl52f4p6/microcontroller-mcu-8-bit-stm8/dp/01X0043
2016-11-21T04:45:21 < stvn> the farken dogs
2016-11-21T04:46:21 < jadew> wouldn't it be fun if in the future you'd also get ", IoT Ready" at the end of that MCUs page?
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2016-11-21T04:47:07 < jadew> haha, you're talking about that sony crap?
2016-11-21T04:48:07 < jadew> ways of making money off of idiots will never be meaningless, someone is going to cash in on them
2016-11-21T04:49:22 < Kerr-A> Where would you guys recommend buying stm chips from
2016-11-21T04:49:36 < stvn> the internet
2016-11-21T04:52:11 < stvn> ching pow STM32 emporium 
2016-11-21T04:52:25 < stvn> we sell STM31 much cheep cheep
2016-11-21T04:54:16 < Kerr-A> got it
2016-11-21T04:55:52 < stvn> i miss fort myers beach
2016-11-21T04:55:56 < Kerr-A> Some of the higher end stm32 chips cost as much as desktop processors, which is wierd.
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2016-11-21T04:57:25 < aandrew> "shit connected to the internet" isn't IoT, at least not in my opinion
2016-11-21T04:57:47 < Kerr-A> What things do you think you would LIKE connected to the internet?
2016-11-21T04:58:01 < aandrew> a linking protocol which allows disperate devices to figure out what's in the vicinity and what services or data they can offer and automatically interact to achieve some higher level function... THAT is IoT.
2016-11-21T04:59:31 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: mesh implies their function is to move data around (without?) configuration
2016-11-21T05:00:05 < aandrew> the washing machine being able to notify the TV that the cycle is done... that's more IoT-y
2016-11-21T05:00:53 < aandrew> the fridge being able to push a list of items that are either low or out of its inventory to something (tablet? order gateway? dunno) which helps you prepare your grocery list is IoT-y
2016-11-21T05:01:19 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: well discovery and being able to use their individual bits of data to achieve something bigger is a big part, IMO
2016-11-21T05:01:34 < Kerr-A> "Is it worth it?"
2016-11-21T05:02:11 < aandrew> Kerr-A: is what worth what
2016-11-21T05:02:24 < Kerr-A> If my washer could text me that laundry needs switched over, that would be cool.
2016-11-21T05:03:03 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: "do you have media I can use to write upon?" :-)
2016-11-21T05:03:22 < stvn> i'm like a porcupine
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2016-11-21T05:04:02 < Kerr-A> Anyone else here take issue to the "Loss Of Privacy" of IOT though?
2016-11-21T05:04:21 < aandrew> Kerr-A: of course. being able to manage privacy is very important (at least to me)
2016-11-21T05:04:37 < Kerr-A> It already bothers me electric companies say what you are using your power on, with the meter
2016-11-21T05:04:53 < aandrew> especially with all kinds of metadata that could give a lot of information without ever disclosing the actual content of the data
2016-11-21T05:05:34 < stvn> the cuck out
2016-11-21T05:05:39 < Kerr-A> Refridgerator notifying you you need to buy more of something woudl be too complex to setup, by the end user
2016-11-21T05:05:46 < aandrew> my washer and dryer have wifi. haven't enabled them 
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2016-11-21T05:10:40 < Kerr-A> I feel like iot type devices in my home shouldn't all connect to my wifi, rather one central device should. 
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2016-11-21T05:12:22 < Kerr-A> https://www.amazon.com/WeMo-Light-Switch-enabled-Amazon/dp/B00DGEGJ02
2016-11-21T05:12:32 < Kerr-A> $50 for a light switch. Fuck you.
2016-11-21T05:12:53 < Kerr-A> Bring that down to ~$5 and someone might buy it
2016-11-21T05:13:09 < Kerr-A> its like $0.50 for a regular light switch
2016-11-21T05:13:32  * Kerr-A just googled IOT light switch
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2016-11-21T05:14:13 < Kerr-A> lol
2016-11-21T05:15:49 < Kerr-A> I could understand having a switch that turns itself off after a bit. I forget sometimes. 
2016-11-21T05:16:19 < Kerr-A> TBH though, with LED lights it's not the lights that draw the power
2016-11-21T05:16:47 < Kerr-A> My Refridgerator accounts for 50% of my electric bill.
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2016-11-21T05:32:05 < Kerr-A> So if i were to try and write to an address on the eeprom on this stm8 in a tight loop, i could wear out that byte in a matter of seconds?
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2016-11-21T05:59:01 < Kerr-A> Im having entirely too much fun playing with this stm8
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2016-11-21T06:00:05 < Kerr-A> I have it doing fake PWM with naiive delay counters at the moment
2016-11-21T06:00:25 < Kerr-A> Moving around some tiny servos
2016-11-21T06:00:55 < Kerr-A> Accepting input from me shorting different pins to move the servo
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2016-11-21T06:34:51 < Kerr-A> Is there any way to read out the contects of the ram on my stm8?
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2016-11-21T06:35:15 < Kerr-A> Interestingly, it doesn't seem the address I chose to use for a counter clears on reset...
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2016-11-21T06:40:33 < stvn> i miss Steffan
2016-11-21T06:45:02 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa70_S1BRHI&t=0s
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2016-11-21T07:55:36 < Kerr-A> Is there a way to read out the contents of ram on an stm8 using stlink
2016-11-21T07:58:12 < ohsix> eh
2016-11-21T07:58:16 < ohsix> see if swim can do it
2016-11-21T07:58:36 < ohsix> none of the open tools do swim and sdcc sucks so i haven't looked too far into it
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2016-11-21T08:00:59 < ohsix> i have some stm8s junk here
2016-11-21T08:01:15 < ohsix> they were like 80c huhu, bought them before even checking if i could use them
2016-11-21T08:03:35 < Kerr-A> LeelooMinai: No. I hve some STM32's soldered up though, havent turned any on
2016-11-21T08:06:33 < ohsix> that dso138 thing has programming header and some junk available, dunno when i can but i'm interested to see what the poop i can do with it
2016-11-21T08:07:09 < Kerr-A> So, you are saying I should use stm32 :p
2016-11-21T08:08:21 < ohsix>  getent hosts pro
2016-11-21T08:08:22 < ohsix> er
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2016-11-21T08:17:30 < Kerr-A> Meh. I probably will switch to stm32 before I do real projects. Doesn't mean I'm not having fun on stm8
2016-11-21T08:17:32 < Kerr-A> http://pastebin.com/H4iTzwdL
2016-11-21T08:18:23 < Kerr-A> Playing with fake pwm for the moment. Using PC3,4 to pick values and seeing how my servos respond to different frequencies
2016-11-21T08:18:54 < Kerr-A> I've also got my oscilloscope hooked up to see whats actually coming out
2016-11-21T08:19:42 < Kerr-A> "CALB" is a value I keep increasing every time I add something to the main loop, to keep the high pulses the same lengths. 
2016-11-21T08:20:03 < Kerr-A> The three different delays ~= 1ms, 1.5ms, 2ms
2016-11-21T08:31:07 < dongs> https://www.freelancer.com/projects/C-Programming/Image-Processing-Pic-shape-detected/ haha
2016-11-21T08:31:57 < dongs> Kerr-A: what the fuck are you doing why arent you using stdperiphlib for stm8
2016-11-21T08:34:49 < Kerr-A> lol
2016-11-21T08:35:09 < dongs> seriosuly waht
2016-11-21T08:35:33  * Kerr-A will do it right eventually
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2016-11-21T08:50:25 < ohsix> sew many memes
2016-11-21T08:51:26 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10Pcs-Posh-Surgical-Scalpel-Blade-Handle-Craving-Dissection-Medical-Tool-/322171376007?hash=item4b02e91187:g:tkkAAOSw3YNXaPoT "posh"
2016-11-21T08:52:55 < ohsix> dang
2016-11-21T08:53:01 < ohsix> tesla500 is sending those chronos things all over
2016-11-21T08:53:03 < ohsix> everyone has one
2016-11-21T08:53:57 < ohsix> o shi dakota access pipeline stuff was happening
2016-11-21T08:54:18 < ohsix> spraying water on them in below freezing weather
2016-11-21T08:55:57 < ohsix> during a football game so nobody noticed
2016-11-21T08:57:03 < ohsix> and that's all of the free time i had today :<
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2016-11-21T09:10:23 < jadew> ohsix, that's a nice project
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2016-11-21T09:14:57 < jpa-> http://www.vishay.com/docs/53041/epic.pdf   truly epic resistors
2016-11-21T09:15:30 < jadew> heh, nice
2016-11-21T09:15:34 < jpa-> someone working in PCBA should replace a few regular resistors with those
2016-11-21T09:17:15 < jadew> do they blow up or just heat up enough to ignite something else?
2016-11-21T09:17:38 < Kliment> 50µJ
2016-11-21T09:17:45 < Kliment> Not much blowing up there
2016-11-21T09:18:17 < jadew> you don't know what kind of chain reaction it can set in motion
2016-11-21T09:18:54 < stvn> fat man
2016-11-21T09:21:19 < jadew> Kliment, I think their substrate is supposed to light up
2016-11-21T09:22:13 < jpa-> Kliment: that's the energy required to trigger it, not the explosive output.. but can't see a rating for the actual explosive power
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2016-11-21T09:46:09 < Kliment> jpa-: That's because there is none. You're supposed to add your own primer
2016-11-21T09:46:37 < jpa-> makes sense
2016-11-21T09:47:53 < Kliment> It wants 0.8A of current
2016-11-21T09:48:04 < Kliment> for 50µs
2016-11-21T09:49:00 < Kliment> I need to show this to johnnyr
2016-11-21T09:49:14 < jadew> but what does it do? does it start to burn or just heats up?
2016-11-21T09:49:45 < Kliment> jadew: It's a primer ignition device. You impregnate it with a primer and the primer lights up your main explosive
2016-11-21T09:49:57 < Kliment> jadew: So it delivers a pulse of heat to your primer
2016-11-21T09:50:01 < jadew> got it
2016-11-21T09:50:24 < Kliment> jadew: Everything else depends on your primer composition
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2016-11-21T12:08:25 < dongs> is there such thing as a crystal tester
2016-11-21T12:08:32 < dongs> like to make it oscillate
2016-11-21T12:08:48 < jadew> of known frequency?
2016-11-21T12:08:53 < dongs> sure
2016-11-21T12:08:56 < jadew> just make a small oscillator circuit
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2016-11-21T12:10:45 < jadew> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colpitts_oscillator
2016-11-21T12:11:26 < jadew> http://www.geocities.ws/raiu_harrison/mwa/tech/circuits/osc-xtal.html
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2016-11-21T12:50:36 < dongs> lol
2016-11-21T12:50:42 < dongs> i dont have any fucking through-hole transistors or resistors
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2016-11-21T13:12:34 < stvn> hi stm32
2016-11-21T13:17:26 < jadew> hi
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2016-11-21T13:22:34 < stvn> how are you today
2016-11-21T13:24:04 < karlp> slow
2016-11-21T13:24:43 < jadew> I feel good, managed to refresh my memory on some math topics
2016-11-21T13:25:31 < Kliment> today is wait for packages day
2016-11-21T13:25:54 < stvn> wut maff u studyin?
2016-11-21T13:26:00 < stvn> i'm refreshing my C
2016-11-21T13:26:44 < jadew> stvn, complex numbers
2016-11-21T13:27:02 < stvn> ah cool
2016-11-21T13:27:15 < stvn> the old undergrad days eh?
2016-11-21T13:28:07 < jadew> I was actually looking into signal processing and realized I don't understand why some formulas are the way they are, so I had to go clear that up before I continued
2016-11-21T13:28:10 < Kliment> It was before undergrad that I first played with complex numbers, and way after undergrad that I started using them seriously
2016-11-21T13:28:30 < Kliment> So more like the old computer vision days for me
2016-11-21T13:28:34 < stvn> :3
2016-11-21T13:29:27 < karlp> hrm, I think this nucleo board is dead. just gets really hot when it's plugged in and oocd says it has target voltage 1.5V.
2016-11-21T13:29:32 < karlp> I wonder what failed?
2016-11-21T13:29:46 < Kliment> karlp: ocd voltage measurement never worked for me on many nucleo boards
2016-11-21T13:29:54 < stvn> hmmm
2016-11-21T13:30:00 < Kliment> karlp: What is the voltage it reports if you remove the IDD jumper?
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2016-11-21T13:31:02 < karlp> 3.2V
2016-11-21T13:31:27 < Kliment> karlp: can you measure current across IDD jumper?
2016-11-21T13:32:00 < karlp> probably, one tick
2016-11-21T13:32:03 < Kliment> karlp: Also, what part gets hot?
2016-11-21T13:32:11 < karlp> the l1 target part
2016-11-21T13:32:27 < stvn> onoes
2016-11-21T13:32:43 < karlp> just upgraded stlink firmware, no help
2016-11-21T13:32:57 < stvn> put happy l1 in
2016-11-21T13:35:07 < karlp> 800mA :)
2016-11-21T13:35:26 < stvn> what a pig
2016-11-21T13:35:44 < karlp> yeah, greedy selfish part, 
2016-11-21T13:35:48 < Kliment> karlp: To misquote Aerosmith, "yor old l1 has been blowing a transistor"
2016-11-21T13:35:50 < karlp> taking all that current just for itself
2016-11-21T13:36:46 < Kliment> karlp: Just to verify, any shorts between vdd and gnd?
2016-11-21T13:36:53 < Kliment> karlp: or almost-shorts?
2016-11-21T13:38:38 < Kliment> (external to the chip, that is)
2016-11-21T13:39:24 < karlp> nah, stlink itself is happy, and it's usb powered
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2016-11-21T13:55:45 < Kliment> Well, I expect that target device is dead then
2016-11-21T13:56:10 < stvn> maybe you can blow the short out :) haha
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2016-11-21T13:56:58 < Lux> dongs: in case you have an inverter lying around: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierce_oscillator
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2016-11-21T15:38:16 < englishman> dongs: stm8periphlib is mega bloated
2016-11-21T15:38:28 < englishman> but the cmsis-style header file, yeah 100%
2016-11-21T15:39:52 < stvn> mmm
2016-11-21T15:40:18 < englishman> hi u
2016-11-21T15:40:34 < stvn> o/
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2016-11-21T17:05:39 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereIsAssange/comments/5e3w5t/updated_julian_told_us_everything_bitcoin_block/
2016-11-21T17:05:47 < Laurenceb> lulwut intensifies
2016-11-21T17:15:44 < englishman> Laurenceb: https://media.8ch.net/file_store/1ca7d408e02ca04e9d2198bb1335bdfce1f59e01bb278651f6338b9518a725d9.mp4
2016-11-21T17:16:50 < Laurenceb> mp4 codec error
2016-11-21T17:16:54 < Laurenceb> epin fail
2016-11-21T17:17:30 < englishman> more like assanagebot rendering fail
2016-11-21T17:17:48 < Laurenceb> ass henge
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2016-11-21T17:30:57 < karlp> what the fuck is that video meant ot be showing?
2016-11-21T17:46:23 < aandrew> It hink it's meant to show the interview video has been edited
2016-11-21T17:47:04 < Laurenceb> I think I will wait to see...
2016-11-21T17:47:30 < Laurenceb> but I won't be lolling yet cuz I lolld when 8chan said Trump would be president
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2016-11-21T18:00:19 < Laurenceb> dat animation
2016-11-21T18:00:20 < Laurenceb> http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/us-election-2016/86266939/Live-US-Presidential-election-results
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2016-11-21T18:46:59 < Rob235> good morning
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2016-11-21T19:07:50 < Steffanx> Morning (ugt)
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2016-11-21T19:20:14 < Laurenceb> nice
2016-11-21T19:21:00  * Laurenceb just got scited by Philips research europe
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2016-11-21T19:24:48 < Steffanx> I'll contact my fellow dutchies that you should not be cited.
2016-11-21T19:24:55 < Laurenceb> top kek
2016-11-21T19:25:34 < Thorn> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxuW2WGWQAA9CJU.jpg:large
2016-11-21T19:25:49 < Thorn> is silicone supposed to stink like that
2016-11-21T19:26:00 < Laurenceb> https://voat.co/storage/sda/the_seduction_cover_300x250.jpg
2016-11-21T19:26:12 < Steffanx> what is this "xaxaxaxa" Thorn?
2016-11-21T19:26:39 < PaulFertser> Steffanx: hahahaha
2016-11-21T19:27:19 < Steffanx> Remind me of this "Na tochku"  which looks more like "Ha to4ku"
2016-11-21T19:27:44 < Thorn> I received my $78 worth of wire and connectors, I still can't figure out how to assemble these ones https://www.aliexpress.com/item/BP422-20pcs-Unshrouded-4mm-male-inline-banana-Plug-solder-connection-self-assembly-test-lead-connector/1985221298.html
2016-11-21T19:28:17 < Thorn> maybe I should heat the plastic parts first or something 
2016-11-21T19:28:47 < PaulFertser> Thorn: the author of that comic must be dyslexic or something, please do not paste something with English _that_ broken. 
2016-11-21T19:29:13 < Thorn> it's canonical polandball speak
2016-11-21T19:29:18 < Steffanx> Must be part of the joke i guess.
2016-11-21T19:31:07  * karlp loves polandball
2016-11-21T19:32:26 < Steffanx> Where does this ball fun come from. I mean where is it published?
2016-11-21T19:32:28 < Steffanx> reddit?
2016-11-21T19:32:45 < karlp> no idea, I just seem then on imgur from time ti time
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2016-11-21T19:32:48 < Thorn> krautchan
2016-11-21T19:32:50 < karlp> not as common as they were before
2016-11-21T19:35:54 < englishman> there's a lot here http://reddit.com/r/polandball
2016-11-21T19:36:01 < englishman> but yeah like ragefaces it's died off quite a bit
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2016-11-21T19:38:08 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/JRysOog.png
2016-11-21T19:38:26 < Steffanx> CANUCK.
2016-11-21T19:39:13 < Laurenceb> Steffanx confirmed as flyback
2016-11-21T19:39:27 < Laurenceb> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=flyback
2016-11-21T19:40:06 < Steffanx> I only know that word because of him
2016-11-21T19:42:34 < Laurenceb> lul Philips research are using Rpi to clone my hardware
2016-11-21T19:42:37 < englishman> 2003
2016-11-21T19:42:37 < Laurenceb> epin fail
2016-11-21T19:42:38 < englishman> lol
2016-11-21T19:43:33 < Laurenceb> everyone said Philips would clone my PhD, I didn't believe it
2016-11-21T19:44:13 < englishman> babby shaking?
2016-11-21T19:46:50 < Laurenceb> nah CRT
2016-11-21T19:47:13 < Steffanx> From Blaxter's laboratory.
2016-11-21T19:47:13 < Laurenceb> never thought they would fail this hard, its hackaday tier
2016-11-21T19:47:35 < Laurenceb> Rpi and arduino powered and the size of a microwave
2016-11-21T19:49:17 < Laurenceb> muh sensor https://i.sli.mg/QSkcgn.jpg
2016-11-21T19:49:53 < Lux> Laurenceb: what was your PhD thesis ?
2016-11-21T19:50:12 < Laurenceb> Lux: noninvasive tissue perfusion monitoring
2016-11-21T19:50:14 < Steffanx> Crapfilly refill time.
2016-11-21T19:50:20 < Laurenceb> ^not that
2016-11-21T19:50:31 < Laurenceb> Capillary refill time is indeed crap
2016-11-21T19:50:45 < Steffanx> That wasn't part of your thesis?
2016-11-21T19:50:50 < Laurenceb> its the emdrive of medicine
2016-11-21T19:51:00 < Laurenceb> I looked at it and pointed out why it was crap
2016-11-21T19:52:15 < Laurenceb> unfortunately I wasn't able to look at thermal flowmeters, as just mentioning them made my supervisors epic rage
2016-11-21T19:52:23 < Lux> so like measuring how red stuff is ?
2016-11-21T19:52:30 < Laurenceb> but imo a clone of this is the pro way to do it
2016-11-21T19:52:31 < Laurenceb> http://www.ictinternational.com/products/sfm1/sfm1-sap-flow-meter/
2016-11-21T19:52:39 < Laurenceb> Lux: not even close
2016-11-21T19:52:52 < Laurenceb> Lux: volumetric blood flow per volume of tissue
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2016-11-21T19:54:55 < Lux> intresting
2016-11-21T19:55:02 < Lux> did your stuff work well ?
2016-11-21T19:55:22 < Laurenceb> inflatable cuff and near infrared spectroscopy worked well
2016-11-21T19:55:28 < Laurenceb> but thats not my invention
2016-11-21T19:55:43 < Laurenceb> Masimo PI was utterly shit
2016-11-21T19:55:55 < Laurenceb> http://www.infiniti.se/upload/Servicemanual/Masimo/Beskrivning_PIWhite%20paper.pdf
2016-11-21T19:56:13 < Laurenceb> CRT was utterly shit
2016-11-21T19:56:43 < Laurenceb> this was very good once I rewrote the firmware
2016-11-21T19:56:45 < Laurenceb> https://gb.moor.co.uk/product/moorvms-ldf-laser-doppler-monitor/1
2016-11-21T19:57:11 < Steffanx> Laurenceb posted a link.. and i made "Breiviking" of that first part. .. See what you're doing to me Laurenceb?
2016-11-21T19:57:30 < Laurenceb> lulz
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2016-11-21T19:59:49 < Laurenceb> attn Steffanx https://sli.mg/a/yHtcOd
2016-11-21T20:00:38 < Steffanx>   ?
2016-11-21T20:00:46 < Laurenceb> scroll to the bottom
2016-11-21T20:01:25 < Steffanx> Not sure why i should be worried
2016-11-21T20:01:45 < Laurenceb> its for trolling  /pol/
2016-11-21T20:05:26 < Laurenceb>  "hardware testing of the Rpi based device proceeded using in vitro testing"
2016-11-21T20:05:32 < Laurenceb> kekking hard
2016-11-21T20:07:33 < Laurenceb> raspberry pi form babby
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2016-11-21T20:30:53 < Steffanx> is kek your new favourite word?
2016-11-21T20:31:11 < Laurenceb> yup
2016-11-21T20:31:12 < Laurenceb> http://theslowmotioncameracompany.com/#Products
2016-11-21T20:31:17 < Laurenceb> finally :D
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2016-11-21T20:33:34 < Laurenceb> needs proper spec sheets
2016-11-21T20:37:23 < aandrew> hm, so my son's student license for altium expires in a few days
2016-11-21T20:37:31 < aandrew> he dropped out of school so I can't renew it
2016-11-21T20:37:37 < zyp> aww
2016-11-21T20:37:44 < aandrew> but he still has his uni login, so I made a fake id for him
2016-11-21T20:37:51 < aandrew> sent it off and forgot to put his name on the card
2016-11-21T20:37:55 < aandrew> they didn't notice
2016-11-21T20:37:57 < aandrew> heh
2016-11-21T20:37:59 < Steffanx> :D
2016-11-21T20:38:05 < Steffanx> Mr. fraud.
2016-11-21T20:38:30 < zyp> if you're gonna cheat anyway, why not just grab a pirate copy?
2016-11-21T20:38:49 < Steffanx> Student license is like $99 right?
2016-11-21T20:39:02 < zyp> $99 for what?
2016-11-21T20:39:05 < zyp> per year?
2016-11-21T20:39:15 < Steffanx> it was once, yes.
2016-11-21T20:41:11 < Steffanx> but, do you use that license or did he use it aandrew?
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2016-11-21T20:45:48 < dirty_d> If I want to start a timer at 0, should I generate an update event, then enable it, or set the counter register to 0, then enable it, or is it the same thing?
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2016-11-21T20:48:40 < Kliment> Configure, then enable, generally
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2016-11-21T21:00:59 < dirty_d> I mean if I'm having to disable then re-enable over and over
2016-11-21T21:05:07 < Kliment> dirty_d: Depends what you want. If you need absolute control over the timing you disable it and then when you enable it it counts time from the enable
2016-11-21T21:06:11 < kakimir> what is up?
2016-11-21T21:06:12 < dirty_d> hmm, looking at the reference manual it looks like the counter is set to 0 the same clock cycle that the update event is generated
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2016-11-21T21:16:05 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3f0_1479743761
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2016-11-21T21:21:05 < kakimir> Laurenceb: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfWMv8Y1V5E remember this musics?
2016-11-21T21:21:24 < Laurenceb> lulyes
2016-11-21T21:21:26 < Laurenceb> good times
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2016-11-21T21:55:54 < Steffanx> "Hardcore will never die"?
2016-11-21T21:58:38 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfWMv8Y1V5E more 90s britt techno
2016-11-21T21:59:21 < kakimir> Eez are good
2016-11-21T22:00:26 < sync> same video
2016-11-21T22:01:12 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b2T8K2D-ps yep
2016-11-21T22:04:32 < Steffanx> What's next? Eiffel 65 - Blue ?
2016-11-21T22:07:17 < Kliment> kakimir: Oh my is that the shamen?
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2016-11-21T22:14:14 < englishman> of course not Steffanx https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HQaBWziYvY
2016-11-21T22:14:34 < Steffanx> The uploader has not made this video available in your country.
2016-11-21T22:14:47 < Steffanx> but yeah, that one is good too
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2016-11-21T22:16:09 < kakimir> sandström - not available in fi
2016-11-21T22:17:35 < Fleck> ;p
2016-11-21T22:17:59 < Steffanx> time to do ##stm32 musics http://dinahmoelabs.com/plink
2016-11-21T22:21:32 < kakimir> why do I need cmake with my visual c++ project in eclipse?
2016-11-21T22:21:42 < Steffanx> "need"
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2016-11-21T22:23:49 < Steffanx> Better install visual studio kakimir
2016-11-21T22:24:01 < kakimir> yes
2016-11-21T22:24:04 < kakimir> but no
2016-11-21T22:24:23 < Steffanx> Visual studio 2015 community edition is FREE.
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2016-11-21T22:34:06 < kakimir> sounds dirty
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2016-11-21T22:35:38 < Tectu> Visual studio is actually one of the best IDEs I have ever used
2016-11-21T22:35:43 < Tectu> it's just heavy as fuck
2016-11-21T22:38:47 < Kliment> VS the IDE is ok, the debugger is amazing, and the toolchain is the worst
2016-11-21T22:39:30 < Tectu> that ^
2016-11-21T22:43:24 < Tectu> any AC6 or eclipse in general experts here?
2016-11-21T22:43:24 < Tectu> http://www.openstm32.org/Creating+debug+configuration
2016-11-21T22:43:42 < Tectu> I have that AC6 STM32 Debugging entry in the list on the left but when I select it and click "new" nothing happens
2016-11-21T22:43:47 < Tectu> same thing with the context menu
2016-11-21T22:43:57 < Tectu> I can click on all the other ones and create a new config but not on that one -__-
2016-11-21T22:43:59 < Kliment> Tectu: I've been fighting with ac6 recently
2016-11-21T22:44:08 < Kliment> Tectu: What are you trying to do?
2016-11-21T22:44:10 < Tectu> you're not alone, Kliment 
2016-11-21T22:44:17 < Tectu> Kliment, setting up a debug configuration to debug this STM32F407
2016-11-21T22:44:20 < Tectu> compiling works fine
2016-11-21T22:44:52 < Kliment> Tectu: right-click the project, debug as
2016-11-21T22:45:06 < Tectu> Kliment, oh wow, that's new.
2016-11-21T22:45:19 < Kliment> Tectu: Guess how many fucking hours it took me to find it
2016-11-21T22:45:25 < Tectu> 3?
2016-11-21T22:45:30 < Kliment> Tectu: I didn't count
2016-11-21T22:45:36 < Tectu> Kliment, but the debug device and debug interfaces list are empty
2016-11-21T22:45:38 < Kliment> Tectu: Because I was busy swearing at it
2016-11-21T22:45:50 < Tectu> so is the "select board" (it's a custom board but still)
2016-11-21T22:45:51 < Tectu> Kliment, lol
2016-11-21T22:46:11 < Kliment> Tectu: Hold on
2016-11-21T22:46:56 < Kliment> Tectu: So once I ran debug as it gave me the .elf file under debug configurations
2016-11-21T22:47:33 < Tectu> oh holy shit it is working
2016-11-21T22:47:35 < Kliment> Tectu: I click on that and click the debugger tab and 
2016-11-21T22:47:37 < Kliment> yes
2016-11-21T22:47:48 < Tectu> for fuck sake man, I spent three hours on this this evening
2016-11-21T22:47:56 < Kliment> Tectu: You should have asked me earlier
2016-11-21T22:48:03 < Steffanx> HAH, now you see how much value ##stm32 has.
2016-11-21T22:48:17 < Kliment> Steffanx: Zero, on average
2016-11-21T22:48:19 < Tectu> thank you very much for your help, Kliment. Greatly appreciated.
2016-11-21T22:48:28 < Tectu> Kliment, let me know if I can ever return the favor :D
2016-11-21T22:48:30 < BrainDamage> shitpost and chill has still value
2016-11-21T22:48:36 < Steffanx> But you are mr. negative aswell lately Kliment.
2016-11-21T22:48:37 < Tectu> Kliment, I can feel the rage you had :p
2016-11-21T22:48:44 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Yeah, negative value
2016-11-21T22:48:47 < Tectu> Steffanx, that's cuz he now lives in germany
2016-11-21T22:48:53 < BrainDamage> not for the person producing it
2016-11-21T22:49:38 < Kliment> Steffanx: True, I'll try and be less annoyed
2016-11-21T22:49:45 < Kliment> Steffanx: And less abrasive to others
2016-11-21T22:50:05 < Tectu> Kliment, thank you for giving me the possibility to still get some sleep tonight
2016-11-21T22:50:55 < Tectu> Kliment, still, that OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION that I linked clearly states that the intended workflow is to create a new debug config in that debug config manager dialog. How come that this other thing that magically works isn't shown there?
2016-11-21T22:51:19 < Kliment> Because that's the only command that works to create a new config for some reason
2016-11-21T22:51:41 < Tectu> someone should slap somebody
2016-11-21T22:53:00 < Kliment> Tectu: Want to get more angry? Check out the license on the linker files
2016-11-21T22:53:28 < Tectu> Kliment, is it okay if I don't and go to have a shower and some sleep instead?
2016-11-21T22:53:37 < Kliment> Tectu: Up to you
2016-11-21T22:54:09 < Steffanx> The license on every non-open source linker file related to stm32 is funny Kliment
2016-11-21T22:54:35 < Tectu> Kliment,   Warn : WARNING! The target is already running. All changes GDB did to registers will be discarded! Waiting for target to halt.
2016-11-21T22:54:44 < Kliment> Tectu: Hit reset on your target
2016-11-21T22:54:58 < Tectu> time to check whether my target has a reset button
2016-11-21T22:56:01 < Tectu> Kliment, I guess I can tell the config thingy to reset by soft/JTAG instead, right?
2016-11-21T22:56:20 < Kliment> Tectu: Yeah, but I have no idea how
2016-11-21T22:57:18 < Tectu> time to rage some more then
2016-11-21T22:57:34 < Kliment> Steffanx: It's so crazy
2016-11-21T22:57:47 < Kliment> Steffanx: It's a linker file! It's not the coca cola recipe
2016-11-21T22:58:00 < Steffanx> Just don't read them and you are all good.
2016-11-21T22:58:41 < Kliment> Steffanx: Well, no, because it means I can't actually redist source
2016-11-21T22:59:08 < Steffanx> Sure you can, you just ingore the notice.
2016-11-21T22:59:20 < Steffanx> "everyone does it" is a good argument in this case :)
2016-11-21T22:59:31 < Kliment> Steffanx: That's a license violation.
2016-11-21T23:06:36 < kakimir> interestings.. internets not working but only ircs
2016-11-21T23:06:50 < Steffanx> Hi kakimir. What website do you want me to visit?
2016-11-21T23:06:59 < kakimir> any
2016-11-21T23:07:03 < Kliment> kakimir: dns?
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2016-11-21T23:07:50 < kakimir> hotel apartment wifi works perfectly and then want's me to go to sleep
2016-11-21T23:08:08 < Steffanx> kakimir on holiday?
2016-11-21T23:08:13 < kakimir> work
2016-11-21T23:09:11 < kakimir> didn't know but business is major client for hotels and such
2016-11-21T23:10:02 < kakimir> these are actually just like normal apartment with sauna, kitchen and all.. not that crappy hotel room
2016-11-21T23:10:50 < BrainDamage> >normal apartments >sauna
2016-11-21T23:11:01 < BrainDamage> finland dot txt
2016-11-21T23:12:10 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Saunas everywhere was actually really nice
2016-11-21T23:12:23 < kakimir> we have 0 times used the sauna
2016-11-21T23:12:40 < kakimir> there is pools in this building
2016-11-21T23:12:56 < Kliment> kakimir: I never liked the per-apartment saunas, but the building saunas were great
2016-11-21T23:13:25 < Kliment> kakimir: I miss those
2016-11-21T23:14:06 < Kliment> kakimir: There are no proper saunas down south :(
2016-11-21T23:14:15 < kakimir> south as?
2016-11-21T23:14:19 < kakimir> europe?
2016-11-21T23:14:30 < Kliment> kakimir: Central-west Germany
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2016-11-21T23:16:01 < kakimir> what is good there?
2016-11-21T23:16:09 < kakimir> beer - sure
2016-11-21T23:16:20 < kakimir> living?
2016-11-21T23:16:21 < Tectu> Kliment, okay, stuff is now working in AC6. Thank you once again.
2016-11-21T23:17:49 < Steffanx> bratwurst. 
2016-11-21T23:18:38 < Tectu> time to leave
2016-11-21T23:18:39 < Tectu> cu folks
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2016-11-21T23:26:58 < Kliment> kakimir: Lots of things are good.
2016-11-21T23:27:13 < Kliment> kakimir: I like the region
2016-11-21T23:28:31 < Kliment> kakimir: Food is excellent
2016-11-21T23:29:37 < Kliment> kakimir: General attitude of people is nice
2016-11-21T23:29:52 < Kliment> kakimir: Things mostly work, but they mostly work at scale
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2016-11-21T23:49:35 < Kliment> kakimir: OTOH the banking and telecom industry are WAY behind the rest of Europe
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2016-11-21T23:53:16 < beanbag-> bend over dongs 
2016-11-21T23:53:17 < beanbag-> MAGNITUDE 6.9 EARTHQUAKE STRIKES OFF FUKUSHIMA IN JAPAN, TSUNAMI WARNING ISSUED
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2016-11-21T23:56:33 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aLEu1lx8bg
2016-11-21T23:56:37 < ReadErr> damn japs
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2016-11-22T00:03:23 < beanbag-> <beanbag-> looks like another case of "YOU GO TO HELL, YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DAICHI"
2016-11-22T00:05:51 < beanbag-> * k3rn3lwalk3r (~k3rn3lwal@39.41.60.25) has joined
2016-11-22T00:05:58 < beanbag-> live streaming is saying GTFO NOW
2016-11-22T00:16:00 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2weY8rSnkUM
2016-11-22T00:22:08 < aandrew> dongs is ok?
2016-11-22T00:22:47 < Thorn> Abunai prefecture
2016-11-22T00:23:38 < aandrew> is that where it hit or where dongs is
2016-11-22T00:23:44 < Steffanx> Lol who are you beanbag-
2016-11-22T00:23:54 < aandrew> fukushima prefecture is hwere it hit I think
2016-11-22T00:24:07 < aandrew> lol at the live chat
2016-11-22T00:24:21 < aandrew> GUNDAMS EN ROUTE
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2016-11-22T00:24:55 < beanbag-> flyabck
2016-11-22T00:24:57 < beanbag-> at work
2016-11-22T00:25:03 < aandrew> lol beanbag eh?
2016-11-22T00:25:10 < beanbag-> 9 foot tsunami 
2016-11-22T00:25:14  * aandrew flicks your beanbag
2016-11-22T00:25:23 < beanbag-> one of the broken nuke reactor cooling has stopped but unlikely a risk
2016-11-22T00:25:39 < aandrew> yeah I was gonna say fukushima is where they had the meltdown
2016-11-22T00:26:20 < Steffanx> Flyback works?!?
2016-11-22T00:26:55 < beanbag-> uh yeah the last 10 yrs almost
2016-11-22T00:27:01 < beanbag-> IT specialize in hw
2016-11-22T00:27:46 < Steffanx> :)
2016-11-22T00:28:21 < aandrew> he specializes in teledildonic support and repair
2016-11-22T00:28:34 < beanbag-> <beanbag-> shit 2 more spotted
2016-11-22T00:29:19 < Thorn> <beanbag-> <beanbag-> <beanbag-> <beanbag-> <beanbag-> <beanbag-> <beanbag-> <beanbag-> shit 2 more spotted
2016-11-22T00:30:19 < Steffanx> So did it hit jappyland yet, or was it a fake alarm?
2016-11-22T00:30:34 < beanbag-> not fake
2016-11-22T00:30:42 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2weY8rSnkUM
2016-11-22T00:30:56 < beanbag-> http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/live
2016-11-22T00:30:58 < ReadErr> they got a better translater lady on
2016-11-22T00:31:04 < ReadErr> the previous one was painful
2016-11-22T00:31:42 < Steffanx> But its a serious one or just..?
2016-11-22T00:32:02 < ReadErr> 1-3m
2016-11-22T00:32:12 < ReadErr> its only now hitting 
2016-11-22T00:32:22 < Steffanx> My phone doesnt do that youtube one
2016-11-22T00:32:24 < ReadErr> 90cm reported so far
2016-11-22T00:32:35 < ReadErr> started at 30cm
2016-11-22T00:32:40 < ReadErr> now at 90cm
2016-11-22T00:33:20 < ReadErr> the reactor water pump has stopped
2016-11-22T00:33:32 < ReadErr> for spent fuel 
2016-11-22T00:34:37 < sync> > the temperature will not raise to dangerous levels for a while
2016-11-22T00:34:39 < sync> wow
2016-11-22T00:34:41 < sync> such relief
2016-11-22T00:34:54 < ReadErr> oh noes this lady is back
2016-11-22T00:35:27 < Steffanx> Yeah lol
2016-11-22T00:35:30 < beanbag-> also spent fuel doesn't have nearly the same heat level as a suddentely stopped reactor
2016-11-22T00:35:35 < beanbag-> it would probably take a week to boil
2016-11-22T00:36:04 < beanbag-> later all going home
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2016-11-22T00:42:17 < englishman> 6.9 is typical japanese afternoon happenings
2016-11-22T00:42:58 < englishman> japs are so emotional
2016-11-22T00:43:06 < englishman> Tsunami! Evacuate!
2016-11-22T00:43:18 < englishman> Such Waters! Very Rising! Wow!
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2016-11-22T01:06:47 < sync> I like how everything is overlaid ontop
2016-11-22T01:06:51 < sync> I wonder how they manage that
2016-11-22T01:07:01 < sync> just serialize the overlay boxens?
2016-11-22T01:10:07 < aandrew> that's one movie I really didn't enjoy
2016-11-22T01:12:03 < aandrew> from the plot to the idiotic shuriken robot, it just didn't work for me at all
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2016-11-22T01:21:46 < stvn> senpai
2016-11-22T01:22:30 < Laurenceb_> ooh this is nice, very nice
2016-11-22T01:22:47 < Laurenceb_> Philips research are going to publish paper saying crt is shit
2016-11-22T01:24:42 < Laurenceb_> capillary refill time
2016-11-22T01:27:18 < Laurenceb_> LOL
2016-11-22T01:27:22 < Laurenceb_> p=0.486
2016-11-22T01:28:19 < sync> lul
2016-11-22T01:31:01 < Laurenceb_> interestingly their clone of my arm prodding machine works very well for detecting dehydration
2016-11-22T01:31:28 < Laurenceb_> but looking at viscoelastic effects they get good sensitivity and specificity for dehydrated patients
2016-11-22T01:32:23 < Laurenceb_> turns out publishing your thesis is a guaranteed way to get cloned
2016-11-22T01:51:17 < stvn> [;
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2016-11-22T02:11:28 < dongs> lol japan
2016-11-22T02:14:20 < Thorn> <dongs> mfw I woke up with a fish in my mouth
2016-11-22T02:14:59 < Laurenceb_> jaoan: home of fuckular-1000 and incest gameshows
2016-11-22T02:15:06 < Laurenceb_> *p
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2016-11-22T02:20:02 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2016-11-22T02:20:14 < Laurenceb_> BBC news just confirmed US is arming ISIS
2016-11-22T02:20:23 < Laurenceb_> memes become real again
2016-11-22T02:20:35 < stvn> let's all go for a swim
2016-11-22T02:23:45 < stvn> why is the nooz autisming over this japan earthquake
2016-11-22T02:23:55 < ReadErr> in japan women pay men to make them cry
2016-11-22T02:24:15 < ReadErr> because japan
2016-11-22T02:25:14 < zyp> shit, nobody ever paid me for that, must have missed some opportunities
2016-11-22T02:25:22 < stvn> cool
2016-11-22T02:25:27 < Laurenceb_> what a time to be alive
2016-11-22T02:25:38 < stvn> i want some fukushima 
2016-11-22T02:25:50 < Laurenceb_> Alex Jones confirmed
2016-11-22T02:26:01 < stvn> confirm stm32
2016-11-22T02:27:46 < Laurenceb_> lul BBC admits "somehow" US weapons shipments are being diverted to ISIS
2016-11-22T02:33:46 < ReadErr> link
2016-11-22T02:34:13 < Laurenceb_> I'm watching dah tv bro
2016-11-22T02:34:35 < Laurenceb_> they were talking to some investigator guys live and it came out
2016-11-22T02:35:47 < ReadErr> who the fuck watches a tv
2016-11-22T02:35:52 < ReadErr> what is this, 2011?
2016-11-22T02:36:01 < Laurenceb_> its
2016-11-22T02:36:11 < Laurenceb_> $THE_CURRENT_YEAR
2016-11-22T02:38:23 < ReadErr> fail2parse
2016-11-22T02:38:32 < Laurenceb_> theres some cool shit like so US reality show where contestants have to survive as fake prisoners in tough prisons
2016-11-22T02:38:38 < Laurenceb_> *some
2016-11-22T02:38:53 < Laurenceb_> damn why did I ever work in US, this shit is hardcore
2016-11-22T02:40:10 < Laurenceb_> last time I was in murica I was walking along and some police retard was hiding in a bush with gun drawn and radar scanning traffic
2016-11-22T02:40:33 < Laurenceb_> I was lolling hard and guy I was with way like "don't laugh or we're both in jail dude"
2016-11-22T02:40:38 < Laurenceb_> probably accurate
2016-11-22T02:41:03 < zyp> I thought you were white
2016-11-22T02:41:28 < ReadErr> 60 days in?
2016-11-22T02:44:24 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-11-22T02:45:32 < Laurenceb_> I dont get how its real
2016-11-22T02:45:43 < Laurenceb_> they grabbed shit from existing cctv?
2016-11-22T02:46:09 < stvn> lul
2016-11-22T02:46:36 < stvn> US better send the 100 megaton yield care package to ISIS
2016-11-22T02:48:30 < Laurenceb_> typical internet conversation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGPbRMxJP7E
2016-11-22T02:50:29 < stvn> that's great
2016-11-22T02:50:44 < stvn> the autism rig
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2016-11-22T02:53:17 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_: no its filmed like a docu
2016-11-22T02:53:23 < ReadErr> 'locked up'
2016-11-22T02:53:37 < ReadErr> etc, most people in jail seen these shows so its easy to sell them on that
2016-11-22T02:54:05 < ReadErr> same show wont work for another season
2016-11-22T02:54:27 < Laurenceb_> oh, so they know about crew but not about fake prisoners?
2016-11-22T02:55:04 < stvn> lithium deuteride
2016-11-22T02:55:25 < jadew> tsunami in japan?
2016-11-22T02:55:36 < stvn> surf's up
2016-11-22T02:56:21 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_: right
2016-11-22T02:56:53 < ReadErr> they had to get permission from each inmate in the 'pod'
2016-11-22T02:57:01 < ReadErr> to film
2016-11-22T02:57:17 < ReadErr> so the ones that wanted to be on tv or w/e signed up basically
2016-11-22T02:59:27 < Laurenceb_> ok this makes sense now
2016-11-22T03:00:00 < Laurenceb_> I like how the wardens talk like zookeepers
2016-11-22T03:00:23 < jadew> dongs, looks like a couple of stores got flooded, did you get your boots on? https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51SILx5KukL._UL1500_.jpg
2016-11-22T03:04:42 < jadew> so what's the damage? so far I only saw a guy on that live stream saying he pulled a muscle
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2016-11-22T03:13:11 < stvn> raping boots
2016-11-22T03:18:12 < Laurenceb_> designated
2016-11-22T03:18:25 < stvn> welcome Laurenceb_ 
2016-11-22T03:18:29 < stvn> how are the horses?
2016-11-22T03:19:23 < Laurenceb_> dunno I'm working on....
2016-11-22T03:19:25 < Laurenceb_> CRT
2016-11-22T03:19:59 < Laurenceb_> ppl are paying me for this shit
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2016-11-22T03:22:43 < aandrew> damn man
2016-11-22T03:22:48 < aandrew> I can't imagine wearing a suit like that
2016-11-22T03:22:59 < aandrew> you'd be drenched in sweat in minutes
2016-11-22T03:24:00 < jadew> some people wear that for work
2016-11-22T03:24:43 < aandrew> haha
2016-11-22T03:25:00 < aandrew> one of the reasons I'm legit afraid to walk around bucharest at night
2016-11-22T03:25:22 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5BEim2npZI
2016-11-22T03:25:34 < jadew> nah, it's fine, Bucharest is a much safer place since we entered the EU
2016-11-22T03:25:55 < aandrew> yeah it was easier for the gypsies to move around
2016-11-22T03:25:58 < aandrew> fuck
2016-11-22T03:26:01 < aandrew> I'm watching shark tank
2016-11-22T03:26:04 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-22T03:26:09 < aandrew> I fucking *hate* when people call their pets their chidlren
2016-11-22T03:26:14 < aandrew> I get being attached
2016-11-22T03:26:18 < aandrew> but tha'ts just fucking ridiculous
2016-11-22T03:26:43 < jadew> you understand what they're saying?
2016-11-22T03:27:10 < aandrew> hm?
2016-11-22T03:27:29 < jadew> I thought you were commenting on the bobcat video
2016-11-22T03:28:12 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_: i watched some of those milo 'most dangerous faggot' videos and joined the alt-right today
2016-11-22T03:28:13 < aandrew> oh, no
2016-11-22T03:28:32 < Laurenceb_> ReadErr: lul
2016-11-22T03:28:50 < Laurenceb_> I knew that guy irl before his efame
2016-11-22T03:29:02 < ReadErr> ex-bf?
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2016-11-22T03:29:29 < Laurenceb_> why did I know that was coming
2016-11-22T03:29:40 < Laurenceb_> muh latest project
2016-11-22T03:29:41 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/QSkcgn.jpg
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2016-11-22T03:30:18 < jadew> barometer with camera?
2016-11-22T03:30:21 < jadew> what's that?
2016-11-22T03:30:25 < ReadErr> how did you know him then
2016-11-22T03:30:51 < aandrew> what is that
2016-11-22T03:31:06 < Laurenceb_> ReadErr: met at uni
2016-11-22T03:31:12 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: CRT sensor
2016-11-22T03:31:31 < ReadErr> needs more raccoon 
2016-11-22T03:31:36 < Laurenceb_> middle part is pneumatically actuated and containes photodiode+infrared leds
2016-11-22T03:31:48 < aandrew> I have to find a decent weather station (wind, rain, pressure, temp)
2016-11-22T03:31:59 < Laurenceb_> lul yeah maybe it can work as a weather station
2016-11-22T03:32:08 < aandrew> don't care for the display, just need something with the sensors
2016-11-22T03:32:19 < Laurenceb_> I have a shitton of money to work on something that is proven bullshit
2016-11-22T03:32:20 < aandrew> CRT sensor? 
2016-11-22T03:32:25 < Laurenceb_> capillary refill time
2016-11-22T03:32:44 < dongs> aandrew: another altidumb proj using harnesses. what am I missing, all the pros must be using them
2016-11-22T03:32:59 < aandrew> dongs: eh?
2016-11-22T03:33:00 < ReadErr> that nodejs and ui framework stuff seems pretty tight 
2016-11-22T03:33:07 < aandrew> dongs: how's the surfing in jp right now?
2016-11-22T03:33:10 < ReadErr> too many options
2016-11-22T03:33:11 < aandrew> I hear there are some killer waves
2016-11-22T03:33:13 < dongs> aandrew: pretty good
2016-11-22T03:33:16 < Laurenceb_> for my next project I will build an emdrive, a zano, and a homeopathic solution machine
2016-11-22T03:33:28 < Laurenceb_> and the taxpayers will pay
2016-11-22T03:33:37 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: I like it
2016-11-22T03:33:51 < ReadErr> put some extra 'coon on it too
2016-11-22T03:33:58 < Laurenceb_> I made it as pro as poss, but I have UKP20k to blow
2016-11-22T03:34:51 < jadew> may I help? :D
2016-11-22T03:35:05 < Laurenceb_> lul maybe
2016-11-22T03:35:14 < aandrew> dongs: harnesses just seem like some logical grouping mechanism
2016-11-22T03:35:19 < Laurenceb_> I need some silicone rubber diaphragms
2016-11-22T03:35:33 < ReadErr> contraceptives ?
2016-11-22T03:36:48 < Laurenceb_> atm I've used lame 3d printed molds
2016-11-22T03:36:55 < Laurenceb_> need milled 304 stainless
2016-11-22T03:37:31 < dongs> aandrew: yeah but i dont see how its different from just using a bus
2016-11-22T03:37:37 < Laurenceb_> but I can prob find a UK place that can EDM it
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2016-11-22T03:38:27 < aandrew> dongs: I *think* the difference is that it's a higher level construct; you can toss a bunch of busses in there, some standalone signals etc and they still remain separate
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2016-11-22T03:53:59 < dongs> aandrew: http://i.imgur.com/g4Fh0m5.png
2016-11-22T03:54:02 < dongs> aandrew: right, thats what it does
2016-11-22T03:54:07 < dongs> and then you carry the thing over to another page
2016-11-22T03:54:16 < dongs> still donno how its THAT much better from bus
2016-11-22T03:54:36 < aandrew> it's incremental
2016-11-22T03:54:41 < aandrew> not a huge shift
2016-11-22T03:54:44 < aandrew> just a bit better
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2016-11-22T04:02:03 < dongs> aandrew: incoming hotchats
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2016-11-22T04:41:15 < aandrew> lol
2016-11-22T04:41:17 < aandrew> close
2016-11-22T04:41:30 < aandrew> it was all about the harness
2016-11-22T04:41:57 < dongs> kinky stm32 bondage with harnesses
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2016-11-22T05:59:55 < upgrdman> http://imgur.com/topic/Awesome/s9bvSbe
2016-11-22T06:03:08 < ReadErr> https://twitter.com/cbanks420lol2/status/800896617255534593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
2016-11-22T06:04:04 < upgrdman> nsfw but lolwut    https://gfycat.com/AssuredImpoliteBudgie
2016-11-22T06:04:32 < ReadErr> wtf
2016-11-22T06:06:05 < aandrew> upgrdman: quality pic.
2016-11-22T06:06:24 < upgrdman> mhmmm
2016-11-22T06:07:10 < aandrew> what the fuck on that animation
2016-11-22T06:22:38 < jadew> lol
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2016-11-22T06:40:10 < englishman> fantastic stm32 content here
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2016-11-22T07:08:45 < englishman> oracle bought dyndns O.o
2016-11-22T07:15:57 < ohsix> jadew: yea it's cool, i think he's sending them to people and they're just mentioning the name & nothing else about how they got them or what
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2016-11-22T07:34:13 < ColdKeyboard> So I just posted my rant on #znc instead of here... lmao. I guess I'm too tired.
2016-11-22T07:35:04 < englishman> hows the snow
2016-11-22T07:35:27 < ColdKeyboard> Not snowing yet. It's getting cold but barely any snow in Toronto :)
2016-11-22T07:35:46 < englishman> ah the concrete jungle
2016-11-22T07:36:08 < ColdKeyboard> For a simple RGB controller with WiFi TCP server I was thinking of using STM32F030F4P6 + ESP8266, but right now I'm thinking of maybe just using the ESP8266 and programm it with NodeMCU or something like that
2016-11-22T07:36:43 < ColdKeyboard> Does anyone have a better suggestion? Basically I need 3 PWM outputs, WiFi TCP or UDP client and that's it
2016-11-22T07:43:29 < englishman> sounds like esp8266 and tarduino is right up your alley
2016-11-22T07:46:52 < ColdKeyboard> Only downside is... I'm allergic to Arduino
2016-11-22T07:47:27 < ohsix> you can do that with just the esp8266
2016-11-22T07:47:55 < ColdKeyboard> NoceMCU or ?
2016-11-22T07:47:58 < ColdKeyboard> *Node
2016-11-22T07:48:21 < ohsix> ~3$ nodemcu things have regulator & pin headers & serial converter
2016-11-22T07:48:58 < ColdKeyboard> Most of the ESP documents and SDK tools seem to be community driven and maybe 0.1% of it is by Espresif
2016-11-22T07:49:05 < ohsix> you could use something like the esp12 on your own board
2016-11-22T07:54:19 < ColdKeyboard> I have ESP12 breakout board, and It comes with NodeMCU if I remmember correctly
2016-11-22T07:57:12 < ohsix> well, nodemcu is a 12 breakout too
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2016-11-22T08:48:02 < ohsix> http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA68 lul that warning
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2016-11-22T09:38:43 < stvn> throw the book at me mate
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2016-11-22T10:21:44 < Thorn> apparently PIC32MZ has "Programmatically Secure Key Storage"
2016-11-22T10:21:59 < Thorn> is there anything similar in stm32 or other cortex-m mcus
2016-11-22T10:22:28 < Thorn> (crypto keys)
2016-11-22T10:23:07 < jpa-> i'd just put an external spi/i2c chip that has that
2016-11-22T10:23:36 < Kliment> jpa-: But then you can sniff keys off the bus
2016-11-22T10:24:48 < qyx> yep, external memory is not en option
2016-11-22T10:24:58 < qyx> if it allows you to read the keys, you are able to read the keys
2016-11-22T10:25:12 < qyx> if it doesn't allow you to read the keys, you cannot read the keys and hence you cannot use them
2016-11-22T10:25:30 < Thorn> you'd need a smartcard
2016-11-22T10:25:34 < qyx> yep
2016-11-22T10:25:53 < qyx> or there authenticator chips which support at least some HMAC modes
2016-11-22T10:26:01 < qyx> for symmetric authentication
2016-11-22T10:27:14 < jpa-> isn't the point of the "secure key store" that it does the cryptography on the chip
2016-11-22T10:27:23 < jpa-> which is the kind of chip i meant
2016-11-22T10:27:46 < qyx> then we misunderstood you :P
2016-11-22T10:28:21 < jpa-> :)
2016-11-22T10:28:55 < qyx> but still, there can be a thing called "secure key storage" with well defined access controls
2016-11-22T10:29:02 < qyx> and some hardware protection
2016-11-22T10:29:19 < qyx> to avoid key modification, readout, etc.
2016-11-22T10:29:43 < qyx> smartcards are very hard to get :(
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2016-11-22T10:30:53 < jpa-> one could get close enough by just enabling protection on stm32, if you don't need firmware upgrades
2016-11-22T10:32:47 < qyx> why
2016-11-22T10:32:58 < qyx> iirc you can overwrite the flash even if the protection is turned on
2016-11-22T10:33:09 < qyx> with custom bootloader, not over swd/jtag
2016-11-22T10:33:22 < qyx> but I didn't try myself
2016-11-22T10:34:04 < jpa-> well there is the mode that stops that; but even with normal readout protection, you would then also erase the keys
2016-11-22T10:34:36 < jpa-> IIRC most if not all STM32's have the permanent protection mode
2016-11-22T10:36:52 < stvn> best quote today to the web designer
2016-11-22T10:36:56 < stvn> SO WHY DOESN'T IT WORK
2016-11-22T10:38:16 < qyx> jpa-: look at AN4701
2016-11-22T10:38:47 < qyx> when booting from the flash memory (only), the flash itself is readable/erasable/writable even if level2 protection (permanent) is enabled
2016-11-22T10:39:25 < qyx> section 1.4 for example
2016-11-22T10:40:56 < jpa-> ah, ok
2016-11-22T10:41:08 < jpa-> makes sense and would allow upgrades
2016-11-22T10:41:23 < Kliment> So the code in the flash can read/write the flash, but an external programmer cannot
2016-11-22T10:41:34 < qyx> seems like that
2016-11-22T10:41:46 < Kliment> Very cool
2016-11-22T10:42:53 < qyx> in the past I was tempted to use the small QFN version of a F401 to make a "smart card"
2016-11-22T10:42:57 < qyx> but meh
2016-11-22T10:43:46 < qyx> because no smartcard at that time couldn't use x25519 and ed25519
2016-11-22T10:44:07 < qyx> *could
2016-11-22T10:44:18 < Kliment> The thing is these devices are not hardened against things like glitching attacks, and probably neither is your firmware
2016-11-22T10:44:41 < qyx> yes, thats the thing
2016-11-22T10:44:44 < Kliment> I've not seen code that can recover from a corrupt PC
2016-11-22T10:45:11 < Kliment> And given that's the register that gets updated most frequently it's the one most likely to be hit by a glitch
2016-11-22T10:45:13 < qyx> also there are no physical barriers for flash readout
2016-11-22T10:45:40 < qyx> so if anyone wants your keys, they will get it
2016-11-22T10:45:45 < qyx> them even
2016-11-22T10:45:48 < Kliment> I wonder how much smarcarding you can do with a phone sim
2016-11-22T10:45:53 < jpa-> "anyone"
2016-11-22T10:46:03 < qyx> ok, anyone with $$$
2016-11-22T10:46:05 < Kliment> jpa-: You can outsource decapping these days
2016-11-22T10:46:11 < Kliment> jpa-: $75 per chip
2016-11-22T10:46:18 < qyx> probably much
2016-11-22T10:46:26 < jpa-> Kliment: merely decapping doesn't get you the data yet
2016-11-22T10:46:31 < qyx> 4G usims are quite capable
2016-11-22T10:46:37 < qyx> can even do some elliptic magic
2016-11-22T10:47:00 < Kliment> jpa-: Sure but it's indicative - a year and a half ago you needed a wetlab to do decapping
2016-11-22T10:47:42 < qyx> but java..
2016-11-22T10:50:41 < stvn> CUUL
2016-11-22T10:50:46 < stvn> oops kapz
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2016-11-22T11:13:13 < stvn> i clean my boards with FREON
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2016-11-22T12:22:00 < ReadErr> jpa-: ive completely locked/bricked a stm32
2016-11-22T12:22:02 < ReadErr> perma
2016-11-22T12:22:11 < ReadErr> forget what it was though 
2016-11-22T12:22:19 < ReadErr> it would boot fine just couldnt ever write 
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2016-11-22T12:23:10 < ReadErr> 75$ decapping? wheres this
2016-11-22T12:23:22 < ReadErr> seems way too cheap
2016-11-22T12:29:36 < Kliment> ReadErr: dangerous prototypes
2016-11-22T12:29:49 < Kliment> ReadErr: same dudes that do dirtypcbs
2016-11-22T12:30:01 < ReadErr>  oh that must be newish then
2016-11-22T12:30:03 < ReadErr> not seen yet
2016-11-22T12:30:22 < Kliment> ish, also well hidden
2016-11-22T12:30:38 < Kliment> they also do pcb reversing
2016-11-22T12:30:54 < Kliment> converting pcbs you ship them to gerbers
2016-11-22T12:31:10 < Kliment> 2 layer only
2016-11-22T12:31:40 < karlp> ColdKeyboard: why allergic to arduino? the ide sucks, but "arduino" on esp8266 is just a way of getting some basic linker scripts and flashing all set up foryou.
2016-11-22T12:33:09 < karlp> you can do something like... "virtualenv .env; . .env/bin/activate; pip install platformio; platformio init --board nodemcuv2 --ide netbeans" and then just get cracking :)
2016-11-22T12:34:42 < stvn> the environment
2016-11-22T12:34:55 < stvn> the decapping experiment
2016-11-22T12:35:01 < stvn> hydrofluoric rig
2016-11-22T12:35:02 < ReadErr> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/BjTjGUhh/stm32fucked.png
2016-11-22T12:35:17 < ReadErr> this
2016-11-22T12:35:32 < ReadErr> the Option bytes cannot be erased 
2016-11-22T12:35:45 < stvn> did you bring protection?
2016-11-22T12:36:01 < ReadErr> nah just HepC
2016-11-22T12:36:06 < stvn> perfect
2016-11-22T12:36:07 < ReadErr> HepC++
2016-11-22T12:36:22 < stvn> unfortunately you're not going to need that kind of protection
2016-11-22T12:36:27 < stvn> take a seat over here...
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2016-11-22T12:36:47 < ReadErr> wtf she said she was an f3 
2016-11-22T12:37:24 < stvn> I'm reading the chatlog right here
2016-11-22T12:37:25 < stvn> see, f0
2016-11-22T12:37:29 < stvn> here have a look
2016-11-22T12:37:51 < ReadErr> must be some bitshift error in your logging
2016-11-22T12:37:57 < stvn> 32kb? nah it says 8kb
2016-11-22T12:38:03 < stvn> i think you should take a seat.
2016-11-22T12:38:18 < stvn> why would you think thats appropriate
2016-11-22T12:38:27 < stvn> "i wanna insert into your SWD all night baby"
2016-11-22T12:38:42 < ReadErr> ;(
2016-11-22T12:38:57 < stvn> now what do you think oughta happen to you?
2016-11-22T12:39:14 < ReadErr> you let me go and I promise to use lead-free for the rest of my life
2016-11-22T12:39:24 < stvn> lul
2016-11-22T12:39:55 < stvn> so you think i should let you free to evade ROHS when i'm not looking?
2016-11-22T12:40:16 < stvn> well
2016-11-22T12:40:20 < stvn> i gotta tell you something, 
2016-11-22T12:40:33 < ReadErr> Ill put the green handles on my iron
2016-11-22T12:40:40 < stvn> i have them too ;)
2016-11-22T12:40:40 < ReadErr> so everyone knows im a ROHS'er
2016-11-22T12:40:49 < stvn> same lul
2016-11-22T12:40:53 < ReadErr> flagged for life, cant hide
2016-11-22T12:41:17 < stvn> hows the eutectic life going lead free fags
2016-11-22T12:41:46 < ReadErr> idk
2016-11-22T12:42:09 < stvn> those
2016-11-22T12:42:14 < stvn> audiophiles mate
2016-11-22T12:43:01 < ReadErr> heard the sound quality difference is amazing and measurable, just replace every joint on the board
2016-11-22T12:43:07 < stvn> ya
2016-11-22T12:43:20 < stvn> i have a special audiophile alloy
2016-11-22T12:43:36 < stvn> turns any dissimilar junction pure mate
2016-11-22T12:43:52 < ReadErr> with the skrillex buttflux ?
2016-11-22T12:44:02 < stvn> yeah
2016-11-22T12:44:15 < ReadErr> lucky
2016-11-22T12:44:47 < stvn> let me do lead free
2016-11-22T12:44:51 < stvn> i'll show you heaven
2016-11-22T12:45:15 < ReadErr> I cant come out to my boards as a lead-free'er
2016-11-22T12:45:22 < ReadErr> im worried they wont love me anymore
2016-11-22T12:45:39 < ReadErr> stuck in the Pb closet 
2016-11-22T12:46:02 < stvn> yeah
2016-11-22T12:46:49 < ReadErr> the flow just doesn't feel the same, how it wets and cracks back
2016-11-22T12:46:53 < stvn> SAC305
2016-11-22T12:47:01 < stvn> and that's heaps sick ayye
2016-11-22T12:47:22 < stvn> nice how easy it cracks
2016-11-22T12:48:08 < ReadErr> legend has it, dongs can identify the flux agent based on the crack back pattern 
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2016-11-22T12:48:59 < stvn> hi Steffanx 
2016-11-22T12:49:29  * ReadErr straightens his tshirt
2016-11-22T12:49:49 < ReadErr> yes hello Steffanx, wonderful and on topic blogs today
2016-11-22T12:49:50  * stvn puts the cock away
2016-11-22T12:50:29 < stvn> pieces
2016-11-22T12:55:55 < Steffanx> T-shirt ReadErr not tshirt. T T
2016-11-22T12:58:01 < stvn> hi Steffanx ;)
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2016-11-22T13:07:38 < ReadErr> -1˚ Partly Cloudy.
2016-11-22T13:07:44 < ReadErr> f'in cold 
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2016-11-22T14:19:39 < dongs> didnt bottom vision inductors
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2016-11-22T14:20:01 < dongs> now hotairing 504 bboards with 2 inductors on each mounted 90"
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2016-11-22T14:21:57 < ReadErr> sounds like a good task for the spawn
2016-11-22T14:23:11 < zyp> dongs, hey, you've still got the leftover LL-DEL-VOD panels? my old boss just called me about having more boards assembled
2016-11-22T14:24:03 < dongs> pcbs? i thoguht we got those in exact qty instead of FR4?
2016-11-22T14:24:16 < dongs> since you only needed like 20 or something whatever the number was
2016-11-22T14:24:30 < zyp> no, you did a whole 100-batch, since that was just as cheap as protos
2016-11-22T14:24:41 < zyp> and then first assembled 12 with F407 and another 24 with F427
2016-11-22T14:24:44 < dongs> hmm lemme see
2016-11-22T14:25:59 < dongs> dont see them immedaitely, at least not in same place with those 2x14 headers
2016-11-22T14:26:03 < dongs> would have to check tomrorow
2016-11-22T14:26:41 < zyp> if you find them, when do you think you can have them assembled?
2016-11-22T14:27:09 < dongs> how many?
2016-11-22T14:28:12 < zyp> they haven't decided, could be another 24, could be the whole remaining stack
2016-11-22T14:29:07 < dongs> mkay
2016-11-22T14:29:24 < zyp> when I told him there were leftover boards, he were like «maybe we should just have them all assembled yet»
2016-11-22T14:29:30 < dongs> heh
2016-11-22T14:30:23 < zyp> but this is of course for their customer again, so everything isn't negotiated on their side yet, boss just wanted a timeline
2016-11-22T14:31:03 < dongs> i couidl bump priority asnd spend less time fucking upo other projeffts then ill have time for this oen
2016-11-22T14:31:33 < dongs> likje yhids inductor holrair
2016-11-22T14:32:28 < dongs> i really need to bill you for up to now
2016-11-22T14:32:36 < zyp> haha, yeah
2016-11-22T14:32:40 < dongs> and englishman 
2016-11-22T14:33:12 < zyp> I'm doing another arcin batch soon too, I started taking preorders for it a couple of days ago
2016-11-22T14:33:25 < dongs> dickstarting that shit huh
2016-11-22T14:34:22 < zyp> they're not selling super fast these days, so I figure I want to sell a bunch before I pay to have them made so I'm not out that money for months
2016-11-22T14:35:51 < dongs> rite
2016-11-22T14:39:23 < dongs> im getting IR-tan
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2016-11-22T15:26:19 < ReadErr> dongs: how fucked up did japan get
2016-11-22T15:26:29 < ReadErr> or did the news people just blow it out of proportion 
2016-11-22T15:26:32 < dongs> zero
2016-11-22T15:26:37 < zyp> are you radioactive yet?
2016-11-22T15:26:39 < dongs> m7 is boring
2016-11-22T15:28:20 < zyp> yeah, considering it's a logarithmic scale, m9 is orders of magnitude stronger
2016-11-22T15:28:45 < dongs> nobody even died
2016-11-22T15:28:57 < karlp> m7 is boring if you're in a place used to earthquakes at least
2016-11-22T15:29:16 < zyp> yeah, probably pretty common even
2016-11-22T15:29:19 < dongs> tsunami was a flaccid 40cm
2016-11-22T15:29:26 < ReadErr> how the fuck did they break the water pump so easily
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2016-11-22T15:30:28 < zyp> there's been a bunch of earthquakes when I were in jp too, one of those were 6.4 or some shit
2016-11-22T15:30:49 < dongs> ther was one when iw as in tokyo last week
2016-11-22T15:30:55 < dongs> i was on like 5th floor and shit wobbled
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2016-11-22T15:32:05 < BrainDamage> waking up from an earthquake is so jarring tough
2016-11-22T15:32:12 < zyp> haha, I remember the first one I experienced first time in jp, first I thought I were dizzy since everything was moving
2016-11-22T15:32:25 < karlp> BrainDamage: you're in italy though, you're a place that _should_ be used to, but somehow isn't :(
2016-11-22T15:32:29 < zyp> and then I went out on the balcony and saw all the buildings around swaying
2016-11-22T15:32:38 < zyp> that was kinda cool
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2016-11-22T15:33:40 < zyp> in norway, news were full of people going «I thought we were going to die» after a m4 once
2016-11-22T15:33:46 < BrainDamage> karlp: not the entire country is a seismic danger area, the problem is the local classification, some places got reclassified as high risk only recently-ish ( 10-20 years ago )
2016-11-22T15:34:44 < dongs> lol m4
2016-11-22T15:34:59 < dongs> but euro m4
2016-11-22T15:35:06 < dongs> jap 4 is weak
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2016-11-22T16:09:04 < stvn> Steffan bro
2016-11-22T16:14:01 < dongs> on my mechanical keyboard, only 2 keys are completely worn out
2016-11-22T16:14:03 < dongs> guess which ones??
2016-11-22T16:14:07 < dongs> keys = keycaps
2016-11-22T16:14:22 < emeryth> F5
2016-11-22T16:14:27 < dongs> naw.
2016-11-22T16:14:33 < stvn> lol
2016-11-22T16:14:37 < stvn> sup dongs 
2016-11-22T16:14:41 < dongs> bloggin.
2016-11-22T16:14:47 < dongs> taking a break from soldering fucking coins
2016-11-22T16:14:48 < dongs> coils
2016-11-22T16:14:49 < stvn> good work
2016-11-22T16:15:20 < dongs> anyway, C and V
2016-11-22T16:15:33 < stvn> i thought maybe a u t i s m
2016-11-22T16:15:43 < dongs> thats more than 2, you autistic fuck
2016-11-22T16:15:48 < stvn> oops
2016-11-22T16:15:53 < stvn> copy paste mate
2016-11-22T16:20:30 < stvn> m
2016-11-22T16:23:26 < stvn> I miss epic stm32 chats
2016-11-22T16:32:59 < stvn> stonertronics
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2016-11-22T16:37:24 < ReadErr> yea it was the greatest most epic chats right after you left
2016-11-22T16:37:38 < stvn> mmm
2016-11-22T16:37:44 < stvn> pastebrah
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2016-11-22T16:38:27 < stvn> ..
2016-11-22T17:07:24 < Laurenceb> http://www.quaternium.com/portfolio/hybrix-uav/
2016-11-22T17:08:15 < dongs> old?
2016-11-22T17:08:32 < dongs> petrol hybrid shit has been around
2016-11-22T17:08:45 < dongs> some paki was flying in like 2001
2016-11-22T17:09:05 < dongs> petrol quad is dumb
2016-11-22T17:09:21 < dongs> just make a normal heli so you can autorotate
2016-11-22T17:09:35 < karlp> quads are only appealing because of electric parts right?
2016-11-22T17:09:47 < karlp> petrol quad sounds like 4 times the problems with engine control and fuel distribution
2016-11-22T17:09:51 < dongs> exactly
2016-11-22T17:10:04 < dongs> well that has electric motors
2016-11-22T17:11:50 < karlp> oh, is that electric carrying a petrol generator on board or something?
2016-11-22T17:12:16 < dongs> seems
2016-11-22T17:13:16 < Laurenceb> reeeeeeeeeee
2016-11-22T17:13:18 < Laurenceb> https://aerotenna.readme.io/docs/what-is-%CE%BCsharp
2016-11-22T17:13:42 < Laurenceb> idea I was discussing a couple of days ago has been done :(
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2016-11-22T17:33:26 < Thorn> wtf I can't tin these connectors. the solder doesn't flow. using more than enough flux
2016-11-22T17:33:41 < Thorn> maybe it's not being heated enough because it's large
2016-11-22T17:33:55 < Kliment> Thorn: What connectors are they?
2016-11-22T17:34:56 < Thorn> bhttps://www.aliexpress.com/item/BP422-20pcs-Unshrouded-4mm-male-inline-banana-Plug-solder-connection-self-assembly-test-lead-connector/1985221298.html
2016-11-22T17:35:58 < englishman>  <dongs> anyway, C and V
2016-11-22T17:35:59 < englishman> cloning
2016-11-22T17:36:04 < englishman> typical arduino buttons
2016-11-22T17:36:20 < dongs> guilty as charged
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2016-11-22T17:38:16 < Thorn> I had some soldering acid but I'd rather not use it
2016-11-22T17:39:54 < Thorn> same with hydrazine flux
2016-11-22T17:51:08 < englishman> Thorn: where did you see "programatically secure key storage" in pic32mz series
2016-11-22T17:54:44 < Thorn> stackexchange question I think
2016-11-22T17:55:24 < englishman> • Programmatically Secure Key Storage:
2016-11-22T17:55:24 < englishman> - 512-bit OTP array for key storage, not readable from other memory spaces
2016-11-22T17:55:28 < englishman> but thats pic24
2016-11-22T17:57:57 < jadew> those quads may be old, but they seem more useful than those 20 minutes worth of battery life ones
2016-11-22T17:58:11 < jadew> also 5 kg of payload is a lot
2016-11-22T17:58:56 < jadew> pet emergency quadcopter
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2016-11-22T17:59:13 < jadew> it could carry cats to the doctor
2016-11-22T17:59:18 < englishman> wait, 1hr flight with 5kg payload
2016-11-22T17:59:20 < Rob235> how does a hybrid work? does the engine just charge the battery?
2016-11-22T17:59:28 < jadew> englishman, 2 hr with 5 kg
2016-11-22T17:59:31 < jadew> 4 without
2016-11-22T17:59:48 < englishman> hm, its right there on front page
2016-11-22T18:01:03 < jadew> I can see it being used casually between friends
2016-11-22T18:01:48 < jadew> "I forgot my bag at your place, but I don't want to drive 30 km"
2016-11-22T18:02:30 < Rob235> oh wow its bigger than I thought, 1120mm
2016-11-22T18:02:45 < Rob235> I thought my 690 was big
2016-11-22T18:03:42 < jadew> is nobody making ridable ones?
2016-11-22T18:03:54 < jadew> that would be pretty sweet
2016-11-22T18:05:01 < englishman> sure, but would you want to ride one
2016-11-22T18:05:18 < jadew> I'd want to, but I wouldn't
2016-11-22T18:06:01 < jadew> unless they made them super safe
2016-11-22T18:10:47 < Rob235> where does my math fail? looking at the diagram the sides of the triangle are 1427 mm which makes the hypotenuse 2018mm. Subtract the 1120 mm and you are left with 898 mm which should be the size of the prop? 898mm / 35" props doesn't seem right :)
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2016-11-22T18:13:41 < jadew> what triangle?
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2016-11-22T18:14:31 < Rob235> see the 1427 mm and 1427 mm sides in the diagram? then the 1120 mm showing diagonally? extend the 1120 mm line to the tips of the props
2016-11-22T18:15:38 < Rob235> then you subtract the 1120 to get 2x half the length of a prop, which is the length of 1 prop
2016-11-22T18:15:53 < jadew> the corners are rounded
2016-11-22T18:16:09 < jadew> your sides should be smaller
2016-11-22T18:16:14 < Rob235> oh good point
2016-11-22T18:18:36 < jadew> I don't think you can calculate their diameter with what's on that drawing
2016-11-22T18:18:40 < englishman> wat
2016-11-22T18:18:44 < englishman> use the m2m number
2016-11-22T18:18:48 < englishman> since it seems to be swuare
2016-11-22T18:18:51 < englishman> 25" props
2016-11-22T18:18:53 < englishman> square
2016-11-22T18:19:04 < jadew> doesn't look square
2016-11-22T18:19:13 < englishman> 1427/1427mm
2016-11-22T18:19:36 < jadew> ah, you're right
2016-11-22T18:20:18 < englishman> so you are left with a right isosceles triangle
2016-11-22T18:20:26 < englishman> high school bro did you even
2016-11-22T18:23:17 < Rob235> too long ago
2016-11-22T18:23:30 < Rob235> :)
2016-11-22T18:24:40 < jadew> they're 635mm in diameter
2016-11-22T18:25:05 < Rob235> yea got that
2016-11-22T18:26:01 < jadew> englishman, how did you get to that conclusion so fast? what's m2m?
2016-11-22T18:27:07 < Rob235> motor to motor
2016-11-22T18:27:14 < Rob235> the 1120mm
2016-11-22T18:27:48 < englishman> yes
2016-11-22T18:27:50 < jadew> yeah, I used that to subtract and got the number you came up with
2016-11-22T18:28:11 < englishman> divide by √2
2016-11-22T18:28:23 < englishman> subtract from 1427
2016-11-22T18:28:47 < englishman> casio fx-991es is right there <---
2016-11-22T18:28:54 < Rob235> You can use pythagorean to get the length of the side which is 792, 1427 - 792 is 635
2016-11-22T18:29:01 < jadew> I used that number to create another square
2016-11-22T18:29:10 < jadew> and considered it the hypothenuse
2016-11-22T18:29:22 < englishman> nigga its a right isosceles triangle
2016-11-22T18:29:26 < englishman> divide by √2
2016-11-22T18:29:29 < englishman> to get leg from base
2016-11-22T18:29:42 < Rob235> I always forget those things
2016-11-22T18:30:15 < englishman> but you can remember 1² + 1² = 2²
2016-11-22T18:30:20 < englishman> so you have √2
2016-11-22T18:30:27 < Rob235> fair enough
2016-11-22T18:35:19 < jadew> I didn't remember that, but I what I did was pretty much the same thing and now the / √2 thing makes sense
2016-11-22T18:35:40 < jadew> what I did was √(h^2 / 2)
2016-11-22T18:35:54 < jadew> which is √(h^2) so h / √2
2016-11-22T18:38:46 < jadew> I don't remember ever knowing that shortcut
2016-11-22T18:38:56 < jadew> but I'm sure I was supposed to know it
2016-11-22T18:39:56 < Rob235> I remember going over it the same time as Soh Cah Toa but could never remember the roots
2016-11-22T18:40:19 < Rob235> but I never really thought about where they came from before
2016-11-22T18:40:23 < jadew> I only vagueqly remember soh cah toa
2016-11-22T18:40:34 < jadew> (learning it)
2016-11-22T18:42:03 < karlp> anyone know why I get different high/low times on a timer update irq? http://imgur.com/a/pFhmq
2016-11-22T18:43:03 < jadew> karlp, doesn't look constant, are you at the limit of your LA?
2016-11-22T18:43:14 < englishman> can cell batteries be reflow soldered
2016-11-22T18:43:26 < karlp> code is https://paste.fedoraproject.org/488572/98330011/
2016-11-22T18:43:36 < Rob235> karlp: I was gonna ask the same thing jadew did
2016-11-22T18:43:46 < karlp> jadew: no, but going higher or lower I get consistently the same behaviour.
2016-11-22T18:44:05 < karlp> clock is set to a silly 1usec tick rate.
2016-11-22T18:44:09 < jadew> ah, you're toggling manually
2016-11-22T18:44:13 < jadew> that's why
2016-11-22T18:44:34 < karlp> shouldn't that only give me a _delay_ not a consistent high is logner than low?
2016-11-22T18:44:44 < jadew> it's not consistent
2016-11-22T18:44:59 < jadew> oh, it is
2016-11-22T18:45:15 < karlp> yes, that's my question, I'm not too concerned abotu the jitter in the low vs the low or the high vs the high,
2016-11-22T18:45:25 < karlp> I'm ok with that being from the software toggling
2016-11-22T18:45:39 < jadew> karlp, maybe the difference comes from gpio_toggle?
2016-11-22T18:47:05 < karlp> can't _really_ see how that would be different lengths: https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/blob/master/lib/stm32/common/gpio_common_all.c#L86 but I'lllook at the disasm I guess
2016-11-22T18:48:44 < karlp> only looks like it has one path to me: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/488575/33314147/
2016-11-22T18:48:46 < jadew> also, any chance the line is loaded in some way?
2016-11-22T18:49:19 < karlp> should only be loaded by the LA probe, and LA itself.
2016-11-22T18:50:16 < karlp> I can try toggling directly from the timer compare, 
2016-11-22T18:50:49 < karlp> I was setting up output compare and noticed this, thought it was my interrupt screwing up adding to the output compare value, but was getting the same behaviour when I just used a straight update on rollover
2016-11-22T18:50:49 < jadew> do you have other interrupts running?
2016-11-22T18:51:01 < englishman> http://www.fdk.com/battery/lithium_e/lithium_rechargeable_reflow_soldering.html
2016-11-22T18:51:01 < jadew> maybe it just happens that it constantly overlaps with another one
2016-11-22T18:51:02 < englishman> hmm cool
2016-11-22T18:51:04 < jadew> and has to wait
2016-11-22T18:51:28 < karlp> jadew: nah, there's almost nothing in this at the moment.  while(1) { nop and toggle a led }
2016-11-22T18:52:17 < jadew> I'm out of ideas, sorry
2016-11-22T18:53:26 < jadew> karlp, is it properly configured?
2016-11-22T18:53:30 < jadew> (the output)
2016-11-22T18:54:42 < karlp> just general output, haven't touched the speed, wass't really expecting that to make a difference to the _lengths_ of time
2016-11-22T18:55:25 < jadew> did you take a look with a scope? are the edges sharp?
2016-11-22T18:55:29 < karlp> will do a hardware toggle, see what that does first.
2016-11-22T18:55:36 < karlp> nah, scope's in another room and is noisy as fuck :)
2016-11-22T18:55:54 < karlp> was wondering if there was something I'd done that was simple and well known first.
2016-11-22T18:56:01 < karlp> never needed to do much with the timers before.
2016-11-22T18:56:06 < jadew> double check that you're probing the right pin
2016-11-22T18:56:49 < jadew> and there's another experiment you can do, you can use 2 pins and have 3 steps
2016-11-22T18:57:03 < jadew> 1, you turn one on, 2, you turn the other one on, 3, you turn them off
2016-11-22T18:57:35 < karlp> yeah, right pin, I can change my times and see them reflected properly int he timing.
2016-11-22T18:58:04 < jadew> that will tell you if the behaviour has to do with the order in which the toggling is done or with the level you're setting the outputs to
2016-11-22T18:58:23 < karlp> is there any easy way to get the state of the output compare in toggle mode?  I'd be quite happy getting it to turn on on active only, and just in the idle task turning it off again.
2016-11-22T19:00:51 < jadew> I'm off to bed
2016-11-22T19:00:55 < jadew> bye
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2016-11-22T19:01:20 < karlp> thanks 
2016-11-22T19:01:40 < karlp> good catch though!
2016-11-22T19:01:50 < karlp> went back and rechecked the discovery user manual, the pin _was_ in use.
2016-11-22T19:01:58 < karlp> moved to a free pin, now I get much more even timing :)
2016-11-22T19:02:20 < Rob235> in use by what?
2016-11-22T19:02:28 < karlp> idd measurement chip
2016-11-22T19:02:45 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3m87-hM96o&feature=youtu.be
2016-11-22T19:03:32 < karlp> has a cap to ground on it, and a resistor to the output of some 74hc shits
2016-11-22T19:03:58 < karlp> now it's only single usec jitter between the measurments.
2016-11-22T19:04:11 < karlp> which, for a 1usec tick clock sounds pretty good
2016-11-22T19:04:14 < Rob235> so (just for my knowledge) what did it cause, was the signal less square causing it to delay a tiny bit?
2016-11-22T19:04:25 < karlp> probably, didn't get the scope out
2016-11-22T19:04:30 < Rob235> ok
2016-11-22T19:04:50 < karlp> I was seeing some occasional glitches on the LA too, but I'd puyt them down to it being cheap, but no.... it was trying to tell me to check my signal better :)
2016-11-22T19:08:07 < Rob235> Talking about this stuff has made me want to start working on my drone again... been about a month since I've touched it.
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2016-11-22T22:13:05 < upgrdman> in altidongs, where is the pcblib with common footprints like lqfp100, 0805, to220, etc.
2016-11-22T22:15:54 < englishman> you make one
2016-11-22T22:16:40 < upgrdman> there use to be include footprints for the common ones
2016-11-22T22:16:42 < upgrdman> wtf
2016-11-22T22:16:45 < upgrdman> did they get rid of it
2016-11-22T22:16:51 < englishman> maybe thats the vault shit
2016-11-22T22:17:07 < englishman> where you sign up to use some arduino retards shitty footprints
2016-11-22T22:37:55 < upgrdman> how do i steal a footprint from an existing PcbPrj
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2016-11-22T23:38:36 < aandrew> upgrdman: for common ones just use the ipc wizard
2016-11-22T23:39:00 < aandrew> upgrdman: you open all documents (sch/pcb) and in sch, say "make integrated library"
2016-11-22T23:39:05 < aandrew> then you can open that and use what you want
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2016-11-23T00:42:12 < Thorn> I have officially failed at soldering these connectors. gotta look for a gas burner I guess
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2016-11-23T01:12:16 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/WQjl5QAjvGk?t=1m46s
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2016-11-23T01:28:14 < Laurenceb_> I'm up for this
2016-11-23T01:28:16 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereIsAssange/comments/5edday/the_1000000_crowdsourced_reward_for_whoever/?st=ivu4tc2i&sh=191ce3e1
2016-11-23T01:28:28 < Laurenceb_> but he's obviously dead so do I still get paid??
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2016-11-23T01:32:04 < Laurenceb_> Kick in the door, knock out every Inca giving you attitude and search every room
2016-11-23T01:32:06 < Laurenceb_> top kek
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2016-11-23T01:32:45 < Laurenceb_> moar dramaz than emdrive
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2016-11-23T01:36:41 < stvn> hi
2016-11-23T01:41:24 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fo9KICWdFo
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2016-11-23T01:42:17 < Laurenceb_> drama intensifies
2016-11-23T01:42:26 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/pizzagate/comments/5edior/admins_will_be_banning_this_subreddit_at_4pm_pst/?st=ivu5b753&sh=c0cb45ad
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2016-11-23T01:45:09 < Laurenceb_> the ride never ends
2016-11-23T01:49:05 < stvn> lol
2016-11-23T01:50:43 < Laurenceb_> according to the "assange is dead" subreddit, the pizzagate subreddit is a false flag by the CIA
2016-11-23T01:51:05 < stvn> wtf is pizzagate
2016-11-23T01:51:22 < Laurenceb_> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/418/481/38a.jpg
2016-11-23T01:51:41 < stvn> ok
2016-11-23T01:51:59 < stvn> did assange get his tendies
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2016-11-23T01:52:10 < upgrdman> so14 == soic14 ?
2016-11-23T01:52:33 < Laurenceb_> finally an important question
2016-11-23T01:52:42 < Laurenceb_> time to set up assange tendies subreddit
2016-11-23T01:52:48 < stvn> i thought those packages were slightly different upgrdman 
2016-11-23T01:53:31 < upgrdman> hmm
2016-11-23T01:53:40 < upgrdman> wiki implies theyre the same https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Outline_Integrated_Circuit
2016-11-23T01:53:42 < stvn> Laurenceb_, please
2016-11-23T01:54:22 < stvn> maybe im thinking sop8 vs soic8 etc upgrdman 
2016-11-23T01:54:30 < stvn> ^o,o^
2016-11-23T01:54:32 < upgrdman> k
2016-11-23T01:58:37 < stvn> No results found for "julian assange tendies stories".
2016-11-23T01:59:20 < Laurenceb_> I see a gap in the drama market
2016-11-23T02:00:11 < Laurenceb_> maybe I could livestream myself smashing through his window on a zip wire
2016-11-23T02:01:18 < Laurenceb_>  ... and later emerging smeared with tendies
2016-11-23T02:04:11 < BrainDamage> have you ever considered that to anyone that's not well familliar with the memes you cite you sound like a schizophrenic?
2016-11-23T02:04:34 < Laurenceb_> maybe but I don't care :P
2016-11-23T02:04:36 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2016-11-23T02:04:38 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/pizzagate/
2016-11-23T02:04:38 < stvn> lol
2016-11-23T02:04:54 < Laurenceb_> for once they weren't being drama lamas
2016-11-23T02:05:07 < stvn> llamas?
2016-11-23T02:05:17 < Laurenceb_> uhuh
2016-11-23T02:05:34 < stvn> australias meth king http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-23/ben-cousins-under-police-guard-in-hospital-after-crash/8049066
2016-11-23T02:06:26 < stvn> http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/956412-3x2-940x627.jpg
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2016-11-23T02:23:24 < dongs> upgrdman: doesnt exist. pull from vault or make your own dont be a lazy cunt
2016-11-23T02:24:02 < upgrdman> lol
2016-11-23T02:24:41 < dongs> srs
2016-11-23T02:30:06 < jadew> upgrdman, they're the same, but be careful on the standard
2016-11-23T02:30:28 < jadew> there's also EIAJ (the japanese one) which makes them wider
2016-11-23T02:30:46 < upgrdman> k
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2016-11-23T02:36:17 < stvn> and that's just for some
2016-11-23T02:41:45 < dongs> why would assange be dead
2016-11-23T02:41:52 < dongs> someone sniped him while he was jerking off too close to the window?
2016-11-23T02:41:59 < dongs> maybe trump supporters?
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2016-11-23T02:42:38 < jadew> karlp, glad you worked it out
2016-11-23T02:43:04 < jadew> Rob235, does your drone fly? I remember you saying that it didn't, but I don't know if you fixed it
2016-11-23T02:43:43 < dongs> it does
2016-11-23T02:43:56 < jadew> neat
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2016-11-23T02:44:13 < dongs> he had a video of it in air for more than 30sec anyway
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2016-11-23T02:45:07 < jadew> nice, I'm tempted to start building one myself
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2016-11-23T02:45:31 < jadew> but I have so little free time lately
2016-11-23T02:45:38 < dongs> dont
2016-11-23T02:45:45 < dongs> just buy dji phantom
2016-11-23T02:46:23 < jadew> but then I wouldn't experience the joy of making it fly
2016-11-23T02:46:30 < stvn> i dream of assange falling out a window
2016-11-23T02:46:36 < dongs> you dont need to
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2016-11-23T02:47:17 < jadew> + I was thinking of making some PCB based one so I can build as many as I'd like, easily and cheap
2016-11-23T02:47:35 < jadew> that way, if I damage one, I can just roll out another
2016-11-23T02:48:47 < jadew> anyway, I don't have enough free time
2016-11-23T02:49:05 < stvn> will it knock julian off his perch?
2016-11-23T02:49:26 < jadew> stvn, isn't he assumed dead at this point?
2016-11-23T02:50:44 < dongs> buttchain is the answer
2016-11-23T02:51:04 < dongs> schroedingers assange
2016-11-23T02:51:37 < jadew> haha
2016-11-23T02:52:33 < BrainDamage> i just tought the crypto paranoid's anarchist wet dream, steganography to hide data in buttcoin transactions
2016-11-23T02:53:00 < BrainDamage> absolutely useless and overengineered as fuck
2016-11-23T02:53:31 < dongs> according to laurence/b/ links theyrte doing exactly that
2016-11-23T02:56:56 < jadew> is anyone here rich in bitcoins?
2016-11-23T02:59:10 < aandrew> nope never got into that
2016-11-23T02:59:20 < aandrew> and when I finally got curious about it it was way way too late
2016-11-23T02:59:35 < jadew> same here
2016-11-23T02:59:38 < stvn> i wasn't diagnosed with autism until 2016, so no
2016-11-23T02:59:53 < jadew> I think it's gaining traction as a currency and I'm tempted to buy a couple
2016-11-23T02:59:55 < aandrew> lol
2016-11-23T03:00:16 < jadew> there's definitely a bubble coming, but I don't think it's gonna hit too soon
2016-11-23T03:02:22 < dongs> 'traction'
2016-11-23T03:02:41 < jadew> yeah, I see lots of romanian companies starting to accept them
2016-11-23T03:02:45 < upgrdman> i've asked before, but anyone know of a simple way to transmit ~8Mbps wirelessly with a *simple* interface, like a UART? wifi/bluetooth gets annoying for live data.
2016-11-23T03:03:12 < upgrdman> kinda tempted to go full retard and take like 8 NRF24's and route packets in parallel with them :)
2016-11-23T03:03:37 < stvn> cool
2016-11-23T03:03:52 < stvn> fullretard is fun
2016-11-23T03:04:00 < upgrdman> occupy-all-the-bandwidth FTW
2016-11-23T03:04:12 < jadew> upgrdman, what's the speed on the ESP?
2016-11-23T03:04:27 < jadew> does it not do that much?
2016-11-23T03:04:28 < upgrdman> i want stateless protocol
2016-11-23T03:04:33 < upgrdman> no connections
2016-11-23T03:04:34 < jadew> ah
2016-11-23T03:04:40 < upgrdman> just tx and if some rx's, great
2016-11-23T03:05:15 < jadew> you can always build a RF link yourself
2016-11-23T03:05:37 < aandrew> upgrdman: 24L01+ is pretty simple but it's only (I think) 2Mbps
2016-11-23T03:05:48 < upgrdman> aandrew, ya, hence 8ish of them in parallel
2016-11-23T03:05:59 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2016-11-23T03:06:00 < upgrdman> to allow for some error recovery in theory
2016-11-23T03:06:01 < Laurenceb_> 8mbps
2016-11-23T03:06:03 < Laurenceb_> wireless
2016-11-23T03:06:03 < aandrew> yeah... you're gonna have a lot of other trouble with that
2016-11-23T03:06:06 < Laurenceb_> pls pick one
2016-11-23T03:06:27 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, 802.11ac can do >500Mbps. i just want a simple stateless protocol
2016-11-23T03:06:34 < upgrdman> wireless does not have to be slow
2016-11-23T03:06:35 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: why not ESP8266 or ESP32
2016-11-23T03:06:43 < Laurenceb_> well maybe with one of those
2016-11-23T03:06:55 < Laurenceb_> or off the shelf high end kit
2016-11-23T03:06:57 < aandrew> how fast do those go
2016-11-23T03:06:58 < upgrdman> is esp32 the new one
2016-11-23T03:07:00 < aandrew> yeah
2016-11-23T03:07:08 < Laurenceb_> I doubt esp32 could go that fast
2016-11-23T03:07:08 < upgrdman> whats amazeballs about it
2016-11-23T03:07:15 < jadew> there's got to be modules out there that already do this
2016-11-23T03:07:57 < aandrew> jadew: yeah that's what I'm thinking as well
2016-11-23T03:08:20 < Laurenceb_> maybe on 5.4Ghz
2016-11-23T03:08:24 < jadew> if there aren't, I'll add it on my "project ideas" list :P
2016-11-23T03:09:42 < Laurenceb_> can't find speed spec
2016-11-23T03:09:48 < Laurenceb_> but I have my doubts
2016-11-23T03:10:19 < Laurenceb_> this actually has some decent peripherals
2016-11-23T03:10:36 < upgrdman> this == ?
2016-11-23T03:10:56 < Laurenceb_> esp32
2016-11-23T03:10:58 < Laurenceb_> Max data rate of 150 Mbps@11n HT40
2016-11-23T03:11:04 < Laurenceb_> and 50Mhz SDIO
2016-11-23T03:11:17 < Laurenceb_> but actual throughput is going to be way lower
2016-11-23T03:11:28 < aandrew> yeah but that's LOTS of room to hit 8Mbps
2016-11-23T03:12:10 < upgrdman> guess i should dig up my esp12e modules and see how shit they are
2016-11-23T03:12:12 < Laurenceb_> until you hit band congestion and their megalame hardware
2016-11-23T03:12:35 < aandrew> yes there's always that
2016-11-23T03:12:40 < Laurenceb_> if the spirit1 modules are anything to go by it wont be fast enough
2016-11-23T03:12:47 < aandrew> what are you trying to spew at 8Mbps?
2016-11-23T03:13:05 < stvn> it's a pornography disaster
2016-11-23T03:13:15 < upgrdman> aandrew, nothing right now. i just want 1Mbps now, but i was room to grow for the future
2016-11-23T03:13:22 < upgrdman> and 1Mbps is easy now
2016-11-23T03:13:34 < aandrew> *nods*
2016-11-23T03:13:41 < aandrew> I want to do more 24L01+ stuff
2016-11-23T03:14:01 < upgrdman> i have a pair of nrf24something modules i got from waveshare a couple years ago.
2016-11-23T03:14:10 < upgrdman> guess i could dust them off and learn how to use them
2016-11-23T03:14:15 < stvn> i need to cure my autism
2016-11-23T03:14:17 < upgrdman> cc2500 is kinda slow but i know it at least
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2016-11-23T03:15:57 < aandrew> yeah I have a dozen of the cheap 2x5 header version ones that have never been plugged in
2016-11-23T03:16:42 < dongs> kc2uez: beep
2016-11-23T03:16:43 < dongs> err
2016-11-23T03:16:44 < dongs> karlp: beep
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2016-11-23T03:24:24 < upgrdman> random-moronic-thought: i wonder if i took two cc2500 or nrf24 modules, wired them in parallel, and have them share a crystal, if they would transmit in sync and output more power ;)
2016-11-23T03:24:42 < zyp> haha
2016-11-23T03:25:27 < BrainDamage> let's assume for a second that it actually works
2016-11-23T03:25:30 < zyp> probably not, PLL startup is probably not identical
2016-11-23T03:25:38 < dongs> ask o6
2016-11-23T03:25:47 < BrainDamage> now you are opening a separate can of works of em propagation
2016-11-23T03:26:02 < upgrdman> fyi, i have no plan to try this. the pa/lna modules work decent enough, and i dont even need much range anyway
2016-11-23T03:26:23 < BrainDamage> because at 2.4 GHz 2cm means a difference in all nothing for spatial overlap
2016-11-23T03:26:59 < upgrdman> BrainDamage, ya would be fun to try it and look at the spectrum with a FFT-based spec an
2016-11-23T03:27:06 < dongs> im sure fcc would love you beaming like 100W on 2.4ghz
2016-11-23T03:27:14 < zyp> this reminds me off that old fucking story of somebody booting up two nodes in parallel on a mainframe or something
2016-11-23T03:27:54 < dongs> to go faster?
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2016-11-23T03:28:08 < zyp> no, by accident
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2016-11-23T03:31:46 < zyp> hmm, I don't remember enough details for google to find it
2016-11-23T03:31:58 < BrainDamage> as for the pll, if it's a 2nd order system the long term phase error would actually converge to 0
2016-11-23T03:32:45 < BrainDamage> howrever, no idea about the internal code and procedure how much deterministic it'd be compared to the output wave timings
2016-11-23T03:33:04 < englishman> doesnt cc2500 have clock output you can pass to nrf24
2016-11-23T03:33:17 < BrainDamage> since it's easy to match timings on the 2Mbit io pins, a bit less to the 2.4GHz carrier
2016-11-23T03:35:48 < englishman> no wait dont they need totally different oscillator frequencie
2016-11-23T03:36:02 < englishman> nrf24 is like 16MHz and cc2500 is like 25MHz
2016-11-23T03:40:38 < dongs> wow this 4K hdmi signalgen is fucking neat
2016-11-23T03:40:41 < dongs> tiny little box
2016-11-23T03:41:04 < zyp> so kawaii
2016-11-23T03:41:16 < dongs> yes
2016-11-23T03:42:10 < englishman> zyp is nxp an11276/sw3646 good enough to whip up my own nfc antenna
2016-11-23T03:42:50 < dongs> http://i.imgur.com/iBSJpak.jpg
2016-11-23T03:44:07 < zyp> englishman, url?
2016-11-23T03:44:24 < englishman> http://www.nxp.com/documents/application_note/AN11276.zip
2016-11-23T03:44:46 < englishman> http://cache.nxp.com/documents/software/SW3646.zip?fsrch=1&sr=1&pageNum=1
2016-11-23T03:44:57 < englishman> pro eaglecad files
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2016-11-23T03:45:32 < zyp> an11276 looks like tag side design, not reader side
2016-11-23T03:45:37 < englishman> i maths'd some antennas and the design changes significantly with little ~80pF caps across the antenna termainals
2016-11-23T03:45:40 < englishman> yes tag
2016-11-23T03:45:55 < zyp> well, duh
2016-11-23T03:45:56 < englishman> was just wondering if you had any resources to recommend
2016-11-23T03:46:29 < zyp> the whole point is just to make a resonant LC circuit
2016-11-23T03:46:38 < englishman> well, at 13MHz i didn't expect such small values to change the design so significantly... i dono
2016-11-23T03:46:44 < zyp> the antenna loop is the L, the cap across the terminal is the C
2016-11-23T03:46:48 < englishman> right
2016-11-23T03:47:51 < zyp> when I designed my reader I grabbed some random values from reference designs and drew a coil that I thought looked good
2016-11-23T03:48:23 < zyp> didn't really work, so I picked up the VNA and experimented a bit, turned out another 180p in parallel got it tuned to the right freq
2016-11-23T03:48:23 < dongs> when I did mine, i stole antenna from some ST board
2016-11-23T03:49:02 < englishman> OK
2016-11-23T03:49:05 < zyp> I could probably have mathed out the impedance of the coil by shape, but that's too much hassle
2016-11-23T03:49:08 < englishman> so simple enough
2016-11-23T03:49:23 < zyp> easier to just throw some shit together and tune it until it works
2016-11-23T03:49:59 < zyp> that way you account for any design-related detuning that would break the math anyway
2016-11-23T03:50:27 < zyp> that said, my design is probably still not optimal, but it works
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2016-11-23T03:51:05 < englishman> yeah i designed around a reasonable capacitance value so i can go up or down
2016-11-23T03:51:14 < zyp> it reads shit with a couple centimeters of solid wood in between, and it's not like I'm going to have it EMC certified,
2016-11-23T03:52:13 < zyp> oh, and tag side seems simpler as well
2016-11-23T03:52:57 < zyp> reader got like three stages of shit, tag is pretty much just the cap in parallel I guess?
2016-11-23T03:54:11 < zyp> at least the M24LR design looked that simple
2016-11-23T03:54:43 < zyp> coil seems to have a lot more windings than reader
2016-11-23T03:54:58 < englishman> depends
2016-11-23T03:55:11 < englishman> interestingly NXP recommends less windings
2016-11-23T03:55:16 < englishman> and their references have only 3
2016-11-23T03:55:32 < englishman> reference designs
2016-11-23T03:55:48 < zyp> M24LR discovery got like six
2016-11-23T03:57:12 < Thorn> what is better for soldering large connectors, a chinese butane pencil torch or a 80W unregulated soldering iron
2016-11-23T03:57:34 < zyp> why do you need to pick between shit and shit?
2016-11-23T03:57:35 < dongs> solder pot
2016-11-23T03:57:56 < zyp> also, which large connectors are we talking?
2016-11-23T03:57:58 < Thorn> what is not shit
2016-11-23T03:58:06 < englishman> http://www.banggood.com/search/solder-pot.html
2016-11-23T03:58:08 < englishman> i got one of these
2016-11-23T03:58:13 < englishman> and plumber flux
2016-11-23T03:58:32 < englishman> there is probably superior russian version
2016-11-23T03:58:43 < Thorn> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/BP422-20pcs-Unshrouded-4mm-male-inline-banana-Plug-solder-connection-self-assembly-test-lead-connector/1985221298.html
2016-11-23T03:59:29 < aandrew> that's the second time that's been posted
2016-11-23T03:59:30 < Thorn> nothing that I have (incl hot air) can heat them enough
2016-11-23T03:59:31 < aandrew> what's so good about those
2016-11-23T03:59:36 < zyp> my old 80W weller would handle that just fine
2016-11-23T03:59:39 < Thorn> more like 5th
2016-11-23T03:59:55 < aandrew> I don't solder banana plugs
2016-11-23T04:00:02 < aandrew> just friction fit them
2016-11-23T04:00:33 < Thorn> how do you even use those pots on these connectors
2016-11-23T04:00:35 < zyp> if you can't get the solder to stick even with a decent solder iron, problem is probably flux
2016-11-23T04:01:15 < Thorn> I tried all my normal fluxes that work well on smd
2016-11-23T04:01:33 < aandrew> almost sounds like you want to use a torch :-)
2016-11-23T04:01:36 < Thorn> they tin the 14awg wire but not the connector
2016-11-23T04:01:46 < zyp> heh
2016-11-23T04:01:56 < zyp> how much power are you putting into that?
2016-11-23T04:02:01 < Thorn> from what I'm reading chinese gas torches are very unreliable
2016-11-23T04:02:40 < englishman> just 14g?
2016-11-23T04:02:43 < englishman> thats not big at all
2016-11-23T04:04:59 < Thorn> I have soldering acid (if it's not yet dried out)
2016-11-23T04:05:14 < zyp> Thorn, what soldering iron are you having no luck with?
2016-11-23T04:05:56 < Thorn> standard china 50W(?) smd station
2016-11-23T04:06:15 < Thorn> quick 967
2016-11-23T04:06:18 < zyp> thin tip?
2016-11-23T04:06:38 < Thorn> yes 2mm
2016-11-23T04:06:46 < Thorn> I think I have 3mm somewhere
2016-11-23T04:07:08 < zyp> you're probably not getting enough contact surface to get enough power across
2016-11-23T04:07:23 < Thorn> very likely especially since there's almost no liquid solder
2016-11-23T04:07:42 < zyp> wide flat tips are the thing for shit like that
2016-11-23T04:08:18 < Thorn> I even tried heating it with a lighter
2016-11-23T04:08:28 < Thorn> and hot air @ 350C
2016-11-23T04:08:49 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/MQZGE.JPG
2016-11-23T04:08:50 < Thorn> nothing except foul smell
2016-11-23T04:08:56 < zyp> leftmost one is good shit
2016-11-23T04:09:45 < Thorn> note that anything wider than 4-5mm won't fit into the slot on that connector (and other connectors don't have slots at all)
2016-11-23T04:10:04 < zyp> it's not that wide, but that doesn't really matter
2016-11-23T04:10:23 < zyp> applying heat from the other side tends to work nicely
2016-11-23T04:10:41 < zyp> just don't leave a blob of solder there so you can't fit the sleeve afterwards
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2016-11-23T04:11:36 < zyp> pre-tin the wire, then heat the connector from the back while applying solder to the front, then when it melts stick the wire into there
2016-11-23T04:13:57 < Thorn> this is the other type, it simply has a hole for the wire https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/50-pcs-5-color-Insulated-Shrouded-Safety-4mm-Stackable-Plug-Soldering-Type/1168452_1781642224.html
2016-11-23T04:39:38 < Thorn> looks like success
2016-11-23T04:42:45 < dongs> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/cnn-slammed-for-running-if-jews-are-people-headline-a7432146.html
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2016-11-23T04:53:05 < Thorn> thanks for the hints. hopefully the reflow is actually good
2016-11-23T04:53:19 < Thorn> this silicone wire is more expensive than silicone tits
2016-11-23T04:53:49 < aandrew> haha
2016-11-23T05:01:28 < upgrdman> gamer wankers  http://i.imgur.com/oUrgtwA.jpg
2016-11-23T05:03:07 < dongs> aids
2016-11-23T05:04:13 < aandrew> heh
2016-11-23T05:04:17 < aandrew> my PCs always looked like shit
2016-11-23T05:04:32 < aandrew> cheapest case, whatever fit, missing screws... didn't matter
2016-11-23T05:04:43 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/f95eaf9c16ca4af888e248f33618f9e9?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=2a9d0462ce8111bcaae6446c92183c40
2016-11-23T05:06:02 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/D6HfLDu.gifv
2016-11-23T05:06:44 < dongs> irl tentacle rape
2016-11-23T05:07:58 < upgrdman> lol
2016-11-23T05:19:34 < dongs> https://i.redd.it/aqcg39rdpfxx.png attn upgrdman 
2016-11-23T05:20:24 < upgrdman> lol
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2016-11-23T05:24:13 < upgrdman> https://gfycat.com/BlissfulDeadlyAmericanavocet
2016-11-23T05:25:45 < upgrdman> https://i.imgur.com/LrMm6vB.jpg
2016-11-23T05:27:54 < dongs> lol @ vid
2016-11-23T05:27:57 < dongs> fuck this guy in particular
2016-11-23T05:28:37 < dongs> i was kinda hoping the car would runb him over
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2016-11-23T05:37:05 < upgrdman> writing code with a speech-to-text, lol   https://youtu.be/F0r9D6HZEnU?t=48
2016-11-23T05:46:31 < upgrdman> https://youtu.be/HMUDVMiITOU?t=97
2016-11-23T05:46:34 < dongs> typicaljavacoderday.jpg
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2016-11-23T06:41:15 < Thorn> what temperature do you use to solder smd components?
2016-11-23T06:41:21 < Thorn> >I normally set my WSD81 to 350°C, for leadless solder or big stuff I've used 360°C and for small SMD stuff 340°C.
2016-11-23T06:41:34 < Thorn> I've always used 270°C
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2016-11-23T06:42:33 < zyp> I've always used 360 for anything normal solder, 410 for leadless
2016-11-23T06:43:07 < Thorn> so 270 is way too low?
2016-11-23T06:43:19 < Thorn> it seems to work well
2016-11-23T06:43:27 < zyp> idk, does the solder take time to melt?
2016-11-23T06:43:41 < Thorn> not really
2016-11-23T06:44:16 < Thorn> < 1 second with thin solder wire or under a 1206 resistor
2016-11-23T06:44:24 < zyp> my temperatures are rules of thumb that I've been following for >10 years, since I got a solder station with temp control
2016-11-23T06:45:14 < zyp> they've worked fine and I can't remember breaking anything apart from delaminating some pads if that counts
2016-11-23T06:46:41 < zyp> IIRC the 410 point is from electronics class in high school, where we ran a test to determine how much higher temperature leadless solder should have to behave properly and landed at 50 degrees higher
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2016-11-23T06:46:55 < zyp> 360 point might be from there too
2016-11-23T06:47:14 < stvn> i use the metcal cartridge
2016-11-23T06:47:45 < zyp> I think the JBC thing I used at work were set differently and I never bothered changing that, but I don't remember what it was set at :p
2016-11-23T06:53:02 < kakimir> with quality soldering iron 270 should be enought
2016-11-23T07:00:00 < zyp> higher temp means faster heat transfer into the joint which means shorter time spent, which means less heat soaking elsewhere where it's not supposed to go
2016-11-23T07:01:18 < zyp> when people are ruining plastic connector bodies with a shitty solder iron, it's because heating the joint enough takes forever and a lot of the power goes into the plastic body
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2016-11-23T07:37:27 < Thorn> I'm probably getting this one http://images.ua.prom.st/61926248_w640_h640_30580.3.jpg
2016-11-23T07:37:56 < stvn> the old dwell time
2016-11-23T07:37:57 < Thorn> 80W for $8
2016-11-23T07:40:21 < Thorn> china gas torch is even cheaper lol
2016-11-23T07:41:20 < stvn> my choice for 0402 https://cdn.mscdirect.com/global/images/ProductImages/0025930-23.jpg
2016-11-23T07:42:06 < upgrdman> stvn, watts?
2016-11-23T07:42:11 < upgrdman> 1kW?
2016-11-23T07:42:24 < stvn> heaps of watts
2016-11-23T07:42:32 < zyp> all the watts
2016-11-23T07:42:46 < Thorn> I found 90kW gas burners for ~$30
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2016-11-23T07:54:09 < dongs> what was that shit that offered chinese pcb cloning
2016-11-23T07:54:11 < dongs> was that dirtypcbs?
2016-11-23T07:54:12 < dongs> or seed?
2016-11-23T07:54:13 < dongs> or itead>?
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2016-11-23T07:59:42 < jpa-> dongs: http://dangerousprototypes.com/store/reverse_engineering
2016-11-23T07:59:47 < dongs> yeah just ofund that
2016-11-23T07:59:49 < dongs> thanks
2016-11-23T07:59:59 < jpa-> dongs gonna be a cloner now
2016-11-23T08:00:20 < dongs> nope
2016-11-23T08:00:33 < dongs> some dick on freecancer made a project asking me to copy some dumb motor control pcb for $10k
2016-11-23T08:00:38 < dongs> told him to save his money and use that shit instead.
2016-11-23T08:00:47 < dongs> my time is not worthless
2016-11-23T08:01:22 < jpa-> haha
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2016-11-23T08:10:38 < Thorn> they give you a mini-me
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2016-11-23T08:31:17 < jadew> LeelooMinai, my tweezers arrived
2016-11-23T08:31:43 < jadew> they're ok, but I had to polish the innner edges, they were sharp enough to be dangerous
2016-11-23T08:32:10 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-23T08:32:37 < jadew> otherwise they're great
2016-11-23T08:32:43 < jadew> I'm surprised how well they align
2016-11-23T08:33:09 < jadew> yeah'
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2016-11-23T08:57:32 < ohsix> sup
2016-11-23T09:01:10 < ohsix> upgrdman: ne thing????????//
2016-11-23T09:04:16 < ohsix> i have to pay taxes in 2017
2016-11-23T09:04:26 < ohsix> i'm an adult
2016-11-23T09:17:42 < ohsix> hm
2016-11-23T09:17:48 < ohsix> why is the ina219 so fast
2016-11-23T09:17:59 < ohsix> 12 bit conversion is ~1.88hkz
2016-11-23T09:19:22 < ohsix> no thanks
2016-11-23T09:19:23 < jpa-> sounds slow
2016-11-23T09:20:01 < ohsix> i guess with that speed you can use it for foc measurement and stuff
2016-11-23T09:20:13 < jpa-> not really
2016-11-23T09:20:53 < jpa-> but seems fine for general power measurement if you low-pass the input signals properly
2016-11-23T09:23:51 < ohsix> wolfram alpha is great, one 12 bit sample time is 0.8xtime a baseball is in contact with the bat
2016-11-23T09:25:41 < ohsix> who are you talking to
2016-11-23T09:25:58 < ohsix> k good
2016-11-23T09:26:41 < ohsix> how about that weather, cold outside
2016-11-23T09:29:43  * ohsix write extension to redirect from digikey.com -> digikey.com/product-search
2016-11-23T09:31:14 < ohsix> jpa-: you don't happen to know about the availability or anything of open source fea/cfd stuff? even really crude is ok, openfoam has a thing but i can barely even tell what it is without a crazy build
2016-11-23T09:32:10 < jpa-> http://www.elmerfem.org/  has FEM, but i never figured out how to use it
2016-11-23T09:33:34 < ohsix> neat, looks worth a go
2016-11-23T09:33:36 < jpa-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY_8HScaI5k  doesn't look impossible though
2016-11-23T09:34:23 < jpa-> i think elmer also has CFD, but i don't know enough about CFD to tell how much about it has.. this says something about navier stokes atleast: ftp://nic.funet.fi/index/elmer/doc/ElmerTutorials.pdf
2016-11-23T09:34:42 < ohsix> not exactly evangelizing free software, but people  are interested when they see me use it, and i might need to do *some* fea, and i don't want to use vmware with ansys or whatever
2016-11-23T09:36:01 < sync> well, that is the better way though
2016-11-23T09:36:21 < sync> I used openfoam and elmer and the meshing is what kills all of them
2016-11-23T09:36:40 < ohsix> fedora has a bunch of stuff, some of it is bound to be fea but i can't tell from the package description or visit 100 links to find out
2016-11-23T09:37:09 < ohsix> sync: like, remeshing/refinement in the program? already sort of know i can do meshing with meshlab
2016-11-23T09:37:14 < jpa-> i do all my simulations in algodoo
2016-11-23T09:37:24 < ohsix> huhu
2016-11-23T09:37:41 < jpa-> but it's not open source, just free
2016-11-23T09:38:07 < ohsix> solvespace has a solver, as the name implies; it doesn't have springs or motors but you can simulate moving/sliding joints/mechanisms
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2016-11-23T09:38:34 < ohsix> yea i played with it a few years agoi
2016-11-23T09:38:39 < sync> I just do everything in nastran
2016-11-23T09:40:31 < ohsix> looks nice
2016-11-23T09:42:13 < ohsix> automated structural optimization eh, neat
2016-11-23T09:48:37 < ohsix> heh seeing a person you know doing a presentation is weird after the hundreds of hours of ones i've seen others do
2016-11-23T09:51:16 < ohsix> NACIS posted their last conf vidyas https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxleHCzc6YynGbzJMWx6C7w
2016-11-23T09:51:25 < ohsix> gis/mapping stuff
2016-11-23T09:52:28 < ohsix> if you google nacis, google thinks you meant nazis, thanks obama
2016-11-23T10:00:02 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: you can talk about what you do outside of the house, and what your friends are doing, too
2016-11-23T10:00:06 < ohsix> oh, burn nm
2016-11-23T10:02:15 < ohsix> very seriously
2016-11-23T10:02:51 < ohsix> you know what my dog does when i talk? it looks at me and tilts its head in attempt to understand. that is more effort than you can manage
2016-11-23T10:03:25 < ohsix> jpa-: ya i dunno why i thought that was fast,  i guess cuz the hx711 was so slow
2016-11-23T10:03:26 < ohsix> bbl
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2016-11-23T10:31:00 < Steffanx> lol.
2016-11-23T10:44:45 < ohsix> bgpstream is going nuts
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2016-11-23T10:48:37 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/AP/status/801266184838647808
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2016-11-23T12:45:13 < jadew> it's so freaking cold in here
2016-11-23T12:45:27 < jadew> I can't type properly anymore
2016-11-23T12:47:07 < jadew> I managed 10 straight hours of work!
2016-11-23T12:52:13 < Steffanx> 5 of them effective.
2016-11-23T12:52:28 < Steffanx> Why dont you make it warmer?
2016-11-23T12:52:46 < jadew> Steffanx, you're probably right
2016-11-23T12:52:58 < jadew> about the temperature, I just didn't realize how cold it was
2016-11-23T12:53:39 < Steffanx> Hah. I have that too sometimes, especially when i start to move to get something to eat or drink.
2016-11-23T12:53:56 < jadew> haha, yeah
2016-11-23T12:59:52 < dongs> jadew: something is fucked wiht weather globally
2016-11-23T12:59:56 < dongs> tomorrow is snow in tokyo supposedly
2016-11-23T13:00:01 < dongs> first time in like 50 years
2016-11-23T13:00:23 < dongs> blame jews
2016-11-23T13:00:35 < Kliment> I'd rather blame dongs
2016-11-23T13:01:37 < jadew> dongs, that put me in the mood for a movie where people fight the weather
2016-11-23T13:02:54 < jadew> I noticed some changes too, but it seems back to normal now
2016-11-23T13:03:46 < jadew> for example, a couple of years back we had super warm days at the end of December (for a few years in a row)
2016-11-23T13:03:52 < Steffanx> The matrix jadew?
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2016-11-23T13:04:04 < jadew> Steffanx, saw it too many times
2016-11-23T13:04:27 < Steffanx> But its a fight in the weather (rain) movie
2016-11-23T13:04:39 < jadew> heh
2016-11-23T13:04:42 < dongs> speaking of movies
2016-11-23T13:05:02 < jadew> I'm talking about something more like the day after tomorrow
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2016-11-23T13:59:26 < karlp> c++ you crazy you: https://www.jetbrains.com/clion/whatsnew/img/2016.3/udl_rename.gif
2016-11-23T14:01:10 < decimad> huh?
2016-11-23T14:03:49 < karlp> the _fah thing itself.
2016-11-23T14:03:50 < stvn> idkwtf is going on here
2016-11-23T14:03:59 < karlp> have user defined literals
2016-11-23T14:05:11 < jadew> yeah, they're great
2016-11-23T14:06:01 < jadew> you can now write things like .wait_for(3s)
2016-11-23T14:09:22 < stvn> :o
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2016-11-23T14:27:35 < Laurenceb> https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lSwSdjUkTGU/WCNrYLBO32I/AAAAAAAAJVM/tGfou0TGWscexIZNfGHS8VqKrGCVMN8swCLcB/s1600/allyourstates.gif
2016-11-23T14:29:14 < stvn> hi Laurenceb 
2016-11-23T14:30:23 < Laurenceb> https://banners.8ch.net/random/brit
2016-11-23T14:30:25 < Laurenceb> I like this
2016-11-23T14:31:42 < Laurenceb> https://banners.8ch.net/banners/brit/1476432018378.png
2016-11-23T14:33:12 < stvn> looks fantastic
2016-11-23T14:33:55 < Laurenceb> https://banners.8ch.net/banners/brit/1476545598068.png
2016-11-23T14:34:56  * jadew doesn't get it
2016-11-23T14:35:12 < stvn> that one is even better!!
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2016-11-23T14:55:30 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/dca9b8719e1ba9f99bfdfce5dc25d7ad167f5e5042dbe8c304ec62d45bf39ec1.jpg
2016-11-23T14:55:58 < stvn> ty
2016-11-23T14:56:08 < stvn> any more assange tendies stories?
2016-11-23T14:56:12 < Laurenceb>  /r/crossdressing spotted
2016-11-23T14:56:29 < stvn> yup
2016-11-23T14:56:45 < stvn> apart from 8ch, got any newz?
2016-11-23T14:57:04 < Laurenceb> nope
2016-11-23T14:57:27 < stvn> :[
2016-11-23T15:01:42 < Ecco> Guys, where can I find the specification of the SD card memory protocol?
2016-11-23T15:02:33 < Laurenceb> for simple stuff check elm-chan
2016-11-23T15:02:38 < Laurenceb> search for fatfs
2016-11-23T15:02:47  * Laurenceb is reading esp32 datasheet
2016-11-23T15:03:01 < Laurenceb> this actually looks less n00b than their previous shit
2016-11-23T15:03:08 < stvn> do you like it?
2016-11-23T15:03:24 < Laurenceb> it looks F2 tier
2016-11-23T15:03:41 < stvn> k
2016-11-23T15:05:01 < Laurenceb> lul 260mA max current
2016-11-23T15:05:30 < Laurenceb> but only 20mA for the processor
2016-11-23T15:05:48 < Laurenceb> min rf current is 90mA
2016-11-23T15:05:51 < Laurenceb> epic fail
2016-11-23T15:09:36 < Laurenceb> wondering if it could be used for a zano style device
2016-11-23T15:11:09 < stvn> zano style - meaning it doesn't do anything?
2016-11-23T15:12:11 < Laurenceb> lul
2016-11-23T15:12:18 < stvn> ;]
2016-11-23T15:12:23 < Laurenceb> rf calculator gives >1km range for 802.11n
2016-11-23T15:12:26 < Laurenceb> not bad
2016-11-23T15:12:30 < stvn> sweet
2016-11-23T15:12:39 < Laurenceb> but only if the drone is at altitude
2016-11-23T15:12:44 < stvn> ok
2016-11-23T15:12:49 < Laurenceb> so you dont have reflection issues
2016-11-23T15:12:55 < Laurenceb> and 7Mbps throughput
2016-11-23T15:12:56  * stvn nods
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2016-11-23T15:13:25 < stvn> seems i have inherited a cat
2016-11-23T15:13:50 < Laurenceb> would still need a sane way to send video
2016-11-23T15:14:06 < Laurenceb> also if it went directly to a phone range would be shit due to shitty phone wifi
2016-11-23T15:14:26 < Laurenceb> maybe make an esp32 based wifi to bluetooth bridge loil
2016-11-23T15:15:06 < Laurenceb> its still pretty useless without a raw camera -> h.264 chip
2016-11-23T15:17:22 < stvn> owell
2016-11-23T15:17:33 < Laurenceb> hmm
2016-11-23T15:17:34 < Laurenceb> http://stardot.com/bandwidth-and-storage-calculator
2016-11-23T15:17:49 < Laurenceb> this says 704x480 is poss at 20fps
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2016-11-23T15:19:07 < Spirit532> Neat. There's an STM32 channel.
2016-11-23T15:19:14 < stvn> shhh 
2016-11-23T15:19:21 < Laurenceb> actually we just troll here
2016-11-23T15:19:28 < Spirit532> I have a question regarding STM32Cube/HAL DMA SPI operation
2016-11-23T15:19:44 < Laurenceb> protip: avoid that shit like the plague
2016-11-23T15:20:09 < Spirit532> I've got an STM32F411VET6U running at 96MHz, AHB2 has /1 prescaler, so running at 96MHz too.
2016-11-23T15:20:15 < karlp> Ecco: full spec is sd members only.
2016-11-23T15:20:26 < karlp> there's a "simple spec" taht covers most of it, but not the electrical portions
2016-11-23T15:20:52 < Spirit532> I've configured SPI4, I'm transmitting using HAL_SPI_Transmit, it works, but slowly
2016-11-23T15:20:58 < Spirit532> I'd like to increase the speed using DMA
2016-11-23T15:21:22 < karlp> "slowly"?
2016-11-23T15:22:26 < Spirit532> However, when I configure DMA with default settings in STM32CubeMX(normal mode, byte width, memory increment, memory to peripheral, DMA2 Stream 1), and use HAL_SPI_Transmit_DMA in place of _Transmit, it doesn't work. At all. There's nothing on any of the data lines, only a single short pulse on the clock line, less than 8ns long.
2016-11-23T15:22:42 < Spirit532> karlp, I'm trying to shove 320x240 16-bit color images down SPI, yes, slowly
2016-11-23T15:23:18 < Spirit532> Where can I start troubleshooting this stuff?
2016-11-23T15:23:43 < karlp> I couldn't care less what your data is. slowly comes from what? too long between bytes? too slow spi clock?
2016-11-23T15:24:23 < Spirit532> too long between bytes
2016-11-23T15:24:29 < Spirit532> I need to send as much data as I can with this clock
2016-11-23T15:25:08 < Spirit532> HAL is awesome when it works, but really awful when it doesn't, and I have no idea where to start looking for faults
2016-11-23T15:28:02 < Spirit532> Odd. Now when I debug it, it drops into if(hspi->State != HAL_SPI_STATE_READY) { errorcode = HAL_BUSY;
2016-11-23T15:28:56 < karlp> turn on clocks for things like dma?
2016-11-23T15:29:04 < karlp> isn't there a channel as well as a stream?
2016-11-23T15:29:09 < Spirit532> yes
2016-11-23T15:32:54 < Spirit532> clock is enabled, according to Cube's generated code
2016-11-23T15:33:05 < Spirit532> first line in DMA_Init in main is __HAL_RCC_DMA2_CLK_ENABLE();
2016-11-23T15:33:17 < Spirit532> which is what it needs to be
2016-11-23T15:40:48 < Laurenceb> ping dongs
2016-11-23T15:43:50 < Spirit532> If I debug it, it goes straight into HAL_BUSY
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2016-11-23T15:49:25 < karlp> what does HAL_BUSY mean?
2016-11-23T15:49:31 < karlp> presumably there's some api docs from them?
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2016-11-23T15:50:52 < Laurenceb> attn stvn: https://media.8ch.net/file_store/7990e4e24db6dce5c97d15de071e0fb517107885e0553b0dcc956a74af3b1ce0.jpg
2016-11-23T15:51:10 < Spirit532> karlp, here's the entire function
2016-11-23T15:51:11 < Spirit532> https://i.spirit.re/xStGJ.txt
2016-11-23T15:51:20 < Spirit532> BUSY is BUSY, but the problem is that it's busy from the start
2016-11-23T15:51:24 < Spirit532> which is really shouldn't be
2016-11-23T15:51:41 < karlp> right, so something isn't set up properly then
2016-11-23T15:51:52 < karlp> some internal precondition isn't being met
2016-11-23T15:52:03 < stvn> ty Laurenceb 
2016-11-23T15:54:18 < dekar> Any suggestions for QVGA (320x240) displays in 3.5" with touch and wide viewing angles? I'd also prefer them not to require backlight voltages over 5V.
2016-11-23T15:55:40 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/ccfd0e9026a2f80fe231925fd96c37e199c06dfc9174ee4e0e4699e34759f8ae.png
2016-11-23T15:57:25 < stvn> idkwtf im reading
2016-11-23T15:57:39 < Laurenceb> comments on article
2016-11-23T15:58:09 < Spirit532> karlp, but it's bare code straight from STM32CubeMX
2016-11-23T15:58:10 < Spirit532> which is wrid
2016-11-23T15:58:14 < Spirit532> weird*
2016-11-23T15:58:24 < Spirit532> I haven't changed anything.
2016-11-23T15:58:49 < Spirit532> wait, no, I'm a bloody idiot
2016-11-23T15:58:58 < Spirit532> there's no DMA init call in main, why was it missin!?!?!?
2016-11-23T15:59:30 < stvn> hal is dirty
2016-11-23T15:59:45 < Spirit532> I'm a noob in STM32
2016-11-23T15:59:49 < Spirit532> I'm allowed to use it
2016-11-23T16:00:07 < stvn> ok
2016-11-23T16:00:49 < Laurenceb> damn
2016-11-23T16:00:56 < Laurenceb> there are h.264 encode ics
2016-11-23T16:00:59 < Spirit532> huh, that's odd
2016-11-23T16:01:09 < Spirit532> even after init, it's still BUSY
2016-11-23T16:01:31 < Laurenceb> good enough to make zano clone with video over ism band
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2016-11-23T16:03:09 < Spirit532> yup, it's still BUSY
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2016-11-23T16:07:29 < fest> Laurenceb: and no comments about muslim american woman's wife's son?
2016-11-23T16:22:05 < Spirit532> so, any ideas? ;-;
2016-11-23T16:22:11 < Spirit532> I went over the code twice now
2016-11-23T16:22:25 < Spirit532> there appears to be absolutely nothing wrong with it
2016-11-23T16:24:12 < karlp> look at example st code, I'm pretty sure there's some.
2016-11-23T16:24:24 < karlp> you're probably still failing on init if it's blocking immediately
2016-11-23T16:27:12 < Spirit532> It IS the example ST code!
2016-11-23T16:27:13 < Spirit532> D:
2016-11-23T16:28:42 < emeryth> it's always the clocks
2016-11-23T16:29:04 < emeryth> why couldn't they be all on by default...
2016-11-23T16:29:28 < Spirit532> it appears that they're on
2016-11-23T16:34:35 < karlp> Laurenceb: how long is your rockoon blastoff again?
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2016-11-23T16:34:51 < karlp> you should ask to borrow spirit's camera
2016-11-23T16:35:04 < karlp> Spirit532: I thought you said you had generated your own code? not using some example code?
2016-11-23T16:35:15 < Spirit532> well, isn't it the same thing?
2016-11-23T16:35:25 < Spirit532> I ran the generator, it made code that initalises everything
2016-11-23T16:35:33 < karlp> except it isn't, obviously.
2016-11-23T16:35:36 < Spirit532> in theory all you have to do is write HAL_SPI_Transmit_DMA
2016-11-23T16:35:42 < Spirit532> that's what it's supposed to do
2016-11-23T16:36:00 < karlp> so you likely missed somethign in the generator, compare to examples or review generator
2016-11-23T16:36:29 < Spirit532> there's nothing to miss
2016-11-23T16:36:30 < Spirit532> lol
2016-11-23T16:37:23 < karlp> lolol must be working then right?
2016-11-23T16:37:28 < Spirit532> exactly!
2016-11-23T16:37:29 < Spirit532> but it's not
2016-11-23T16:37:41 < karlp> 14:28 < emeryth> it's always the clocks
2016-11-23T16:37:47 < Spirit532> they're on
2016-11-23T16:38:01 < Spirit532> __HAL_RCC_DMA2_CLK_ENABLE is called
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2016-11-23T16:47:20 < ReadErr> https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/l/t1.0-9/15094323_10154859790853777_233651543942054512_n.jpg?oh=d028435685299e855b2d25c95c805f3e&oe=58B77EEB
2016-11-23T16:47:22 < ReadErr> rip dongs
2016-11-23T16:51:25 < Spirit532> I just tried to re-init DMA manually
2016-11-23T16:51:27 < Spirit532> still no luck
2016-11-23T16:52:03 < kakimir> what is that pic ReadErr ?
2016-11-23T16:52:13 < kakimir> why it has grapes in it
2016-11-23T16:52:15 < ReadErr> member berries 
2016-11-23T16:52:53 < Spirit532> sounds kinky
2016-11-23T16:53:03 < Spirit532> on a more serious note, does anyone have any idea what could be wrong?
2016-11-23T16:53:36 < Spirit532> I can't really use standard peripheral libraries, because I'm using Keil, and that has all sorts of funny support problems
2016-11-23T16:53:48 < ReadErr> uh wtf
2016-11-23T16:53:52 < ReadErr> sure you can
2016-11-23T16:54:18 < Spirit532> that, and I don't want to spend several hours adding every single thing I need
2016-11-23T16:59:47 < ReadErr> then I guess stay stuck using broken code since you dont want to expend any effort
2016-11-23T17:01:13 < Spirit532> if I want to use standard peripheral libraries, I'm going to have to jump through a dozen hoops for USB
2016-11-23T17:02:02 < ReadErr> then I guess stay stuck using broken code since you dont want to expend any effort
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2016-11-23T17:07:07 < Ecco> Do you guys have an advice regarding micro-sd connector
2016-11-23T17:07:28 < Ecco> I'm looking for something cheap and very common
2016-11-23T17:07:31 < Spirit532> Ecco, SOLDER OOOOOOON
2016-11-23T17:07:33 < Spirit532> be hardcore
2016-11-23T17:07:39 < Ecco> Yeah, well, this could do :-D
2016-11-23T17:07:43 < Ecco> Can you reflow an sd card?
2016-11-23T17:07:50 < Ecco> Wouldn't the plastic melt? :-D
2016-11-23T17:08:10 < Spirit532> it's epoxy usually
2016-11-23T17:08:13 < Ecco> Joke aside, what would be the most common SD card holder? I don't need no spring or anything fancy
2016-11-23T17:08:15 < Spirit532> microsd ones
2016-11-23T17:08:18 < Ecco> ok
2016-11-23T17:08:26 < Spirit532> you can reflow it pretty easily
2016-11-23T17:09:25 < Ecco> That could be fun:)
2016-11-23T17:10:23 < Ecco> Actually it seems to be working :-D
2016-11-23T17:10:24 < Ecco> http://www.dotmana.com/weblog/2015/08/microsd-card-reflow-quick-and-dirty-pcb-with-kicad/
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2016-11-23T17:27:44 < Spirit532> fuck it
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2016-11-23T17:28:02 < karlp> Ecco: hrm, we don't have one in zypsnips yet it seems.
2016-11-23T17:28:10 < Spirit532> I'm going to give Tilen Majerle's system a go
2016-11-23T17:28:21 < Spirit532> it compiled in uVision with SPL 1.5
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2016-11-23T17:28:52 < englishman> lol ReadErr 
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2016-11-23T17:30:16 < karlp> Ecco: http://www.dotmana.com/weblog/2015/08/microsd-card-reflow-quick-and-dirty-pcb-with-kicad/#comment-687202 is probably the most useful point there....
2016-11-23T17:30:43 < Laurenceb> its not epoxy
2016-11-23T17:30:54 < Laurenceb> its phenolic or something similar
2016-11-23T17:31:29 < Spirit532> Laurenceb, no, it's epoxy
2016-11-23T17:31:29 < englishman> 30K€ BOM
2016-11-23T17:31:32 < englishman> designed in kikecad
2016-11-23T17:31:33 < englishman> lol
2016-11-23T17:31:38 < Spirit532> >kikecad
2016-11-23T17:31:41 < Spirit532> go away
2016-11-23T17:31:49 < englishman> that shit is awful
2016-11-23T17:31:57 < karlp> englishman: I presume that was /1000 units not 30k€ on each board
2016-11-23T17:32:19 < englishman> then its 30keur for 1000
2016-11-23T17:32:21 < karlp> Spirit532: harhar, hates on software people use professionally, can't get spi to work ;)
2016-11-23T17:32:22 < Spirit532> blow me, easier to use than any other electronics devenv I've learned
2016-11-23T17:32:32 < englishman> sure, easier to do nothing with
2016-11-23T17:32:42 < Spirit532> I've designed several things with it, they work flawlessy
2016-11-23T17:32:43 < englishman> hard to do simple things like...set origin
2016-11-23T17:32:50 < Spirit532> one button
2016-11-23T17:32:53 < englishman> sorry no
2016-11-23T17:32:57 < englishman> there is no functionality
2016-11-23T17:33:06 < englishman> to set origin
2016-11-23T17:33:12 < Spirit532> hold on.
2016-11-23T17:33:18 < englishman> srsly
2016-11-23T17:33:34  * Laurenceb is thinking of deranged schemes...
2016-11-23T17:33:43 < Laurenceb> zano with ism band video
2016-11-23T17:34:15 < englishman> i'm sure it's great if you're making 1-10 boards and hand placing
2016-11-23T17:34:25 < Spirit532> englishman, https://i.spirit.re/qmLSG.webm
2016-11-23T17:34:26 < Spirit532> blooow me.
2016-11-23T17:34:28 < Spirit532> right there.
2016-11-23T17:34:34 < Spirit532> you must be really blind.
2016-11-23T17:34:35 < englishman> mhm
2016-11-23T17:34:37 < englishman> whats taht for?
2016-11-23T17:34:42 < englishman> oh yeah not for design
2016-11-23T17:34:45 < Spirit532> that's for setting origin.
2016-11-23T17:34:45 < englishman> only for exports
2016-11-23T17:35:01 < englishman> want a design origin? use some other eda tool
2016-11-23T17:35:08 < Spirit532> origin is going to be 0,0 all the time
2016-11-23T17:35:15 < Spirit532> you can edit your sheet template to match
2016-11-23T17:35:20 < englishman> clearly stockholm syndrome
2016-11-23T17:35:27 < Spirit532> some tools do it better
2016-11-23T17:35:30 < englishman> not even aware of the functionality of real cad tools
2016-11-23T17:35:39 < Spirit532> oh, I'm fully aware
2016-11-23T17:35:45 < Spirit532> except I'm not filthy rich
2016-11-23T17:35:48 < Spirit532> and can't afford Altium
2016-11-23T17:35:52 < englishman> yet you just showed me
2016-11-23T17:35:53 < englishman>  <Spirit532> englishman, https://i.spirit.re/qmLSG.webm
2016-11-23T17:35:57 < englishman> some completely different thing
2016-11-23T17:36:03 < Spirit532> that's setting PCB origin 
2016-11-23T17:36:11 < Spirit532> you can set the sheet origin by modifying the template
2016-11-23T17:36:23 < Spirit532> where you put your board relative to 0,0 is your choice
2016-11-23T17:36:31 < englishman> sounds easy
2016-11-23T17:36:33 < englishman> !
2016-11-23T17:36:36 < Spirit532> it is
2016-11-23T17:36:45 < Spirit532> but I prefer it this way
2016-11-23T17:36:48 < englishman> then why doesnt the 'set origin' button do it?
2016-11-23T17:36:51 < englishman> right
2016-11-23T17:36:54 < englishman> because shit soft
2016-11-23T17:36:55 < englishman> for amateurs
2016-11-23T17:37:02 < Spirit532> buy me altium
2016-11-23T17:37:05 < Spirit532> and I'll change my opinion
2016-11-23T17:37:33 < englishman> make something profitable
2016-11-23T17:37:35 < englishman> and buy it
2016-11-23T17:37:50 < englishman> good luck doing that in kikecad
2016-11-23T17:37:55 < Spirit532> lol
2016-11-23T17:38:24 < karlp> Spirit532: my apologies,I thought you were hating on kicad, but you were just hating on the kikecad.
2016-11-23T17:38:24 < Spirit532> you know the HackRF one has been designed in kicad, right?
2016-11-23T17:38:34 < Spirit532> karlp, yup :P
2016-11-23T17:38:52 < Spirit532> oh, and Olimex OLinuXino, that sold a ton
2016-11-23T17:39:04 < Spirit532> oh, oh, wait, the Crazyflie was designed in KiCad!
2016-11-23T17:39:13 < Spirit532> that sold even more!
2016-11-23T17:39:25 < karlp> englishman: what do you reallyt do with set origin?
2016-11-23T17:39:38 < Spirit532> Mooltipass was designed in KiCad too, and it went through the roof in kickstarter
2016-11-23T17:39:39 < englishman> oh, i dono, so my design can match production outputs
2016-11-23T17:39:44 < Spirit532> as did USB Armory
2016-11-23T17:39:47 < englishman> instead of fucking around
2016-11-23T17:39:54 < Spirit532> And Ubertooth
2016-11-23T17:40:00 < englishman> all these are your products?
2016-11-23T17:40:10 < Spirit532> they are all made in KiCad and they all sold
2016-11-23T17:40:31 < Spirit532> none of them are mine because I can't really sell anything en masse right now, due to buerocracy and other reasons
2016-11-23T17:40:48 < karlp> aka liviing in belarus ;)
2016-11-23T17:40:57 < Spirit532> yes ;-;
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2016-11-23T17:42:06 < karlp> englishman: explain it to me like I'm five?  you''re talking about changing origin in your pcb side? so that.... positions are the same as the numbers the pick and place uses? without any rotation or translation?
2016-11-23T17:42:21 < Spirit532> karlp, he wants to change how the sheet is positioned
2016-11-23T17:42:32 < Spirit532> pcb position relative to the sheet
2016-11-23T17:42:50 < Spirit532> P&P export is as easy as clicking a button in kicad
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2016-11-23T17:44:58 < englishman> also in some dumb nonstandard fixed width output
2016-11-23T17:45:04 < englishman> instead of csv
2016-11-23T17:45:10 < Rob235> just use diptrace
2016-11-23T17:45:20 < englishman> yes even diptrace has amazing SET ORIGIN functionality
2016-11-23T17:45:22 < englishman> pro soft
2016-11-23T17:45:24 < ReadErr> diptrace is way better than kicak 
2016-11-23T17:45:27 < englishman> ^
2016-11-23T17:45:40 < Spirit532> sure is
2016-11-23T17:45:52 < Spirit532> don't know what kicak is though
2016-11-23T17:46:10 < Rob235>   I was just joking, I only messed around in diptrace for half an hour, never tried anything else :)
2016-11-23T17:46:46 < Rob235> I would like to make a board for my drone though
2016-11-23T17:46:54 < Spirit532> I really don't like how diptrace looks though
2016-11-23T17:46:57 < Spirit532> I prefer altium/kicad
2016-11-23T17:47:02 < karlp> englishman: I still don't get it?
2016-11-23T17:47:28 < karlp> this is for interactively comparing positions in pcb view vs some numbers your manufaturing tool has?
2016-11-23T17:47:30 < englishman> when you draw up a design origin is in the top left of the pcb document
2016-11-23T17:47:44 < ReadErr> altium you can set origin in middle of pcb
2016-11-23T17:47:45 < englishman> yeah, which happens when you actually turn stuff into a real object
2016-11-23T17:47:46 < ReadErr> or anywhere
2016-11-23T17:48:01 < ReadErr> not based on some document 
2016-11-23T17:48:08 < englishman> yeah
2016-11-23T17:48:10 < englishman> you type eos
2016-11-23T17:48:11 < englishman> and click
2016-11-23T17:48:12 < englishman> done.
2016-11-23T17:48:20 < englishman> in diptrace its objects->origin or something
2016-11-23T17:48:40 < karlp> right, but when do you _use_ this?
2016-11-23T17:48:45 < karlp> the gerbers all end up the same
2016-11-23T17:48:45 < englishman> when looking at a pcb
2016-11-23T17:48:51 < englishman> sure
2016-11-23T17:48:58 < englishman> but what if i want a component at (x,y)
2016-11-23T17:49:01 < englishman> i need to break out the casio
2016-11-23T17:49:04 < englishman> and do multiple operations
2016-11-23T17:49:37 < englishman> or find out which component is near (x,y)
2016-11-23T17:49:50 < englishman> or any other reason that i cant think of in 0.5 seconds
2016-11-23T17:49:58 < karlp> is this because you want to use different x,y coordinates?
2016-11-23T17:50:00 < englishman> but surely has caused rage to me in the last 7 days
2016-11-23T17:50:10 < englishman> no, i want all coords to be the same.
2016-11-23T17:50:15 < englishman> instead of random design coordinates
2016-11-23T17:50:18 < englishman> and export coordinates
2016-11-23T17:50:20 < englishman> being different
2016-11-23T17:50:40 < karlp> so this is really something you set once right?
2016-11-23T17:50:46 < englishman> yes
2016-11-23T17:50:47 < karlp> you're not setting it all over the place willy nilly?
2016-11-23T17:50:50 < englishman> but in kicad you can set it 0 times
2016-11-23T17:50:52 < karlp> ok, that makes more sense.
2016-11-23T17:51:03 < karlp> Ithought this was something you were mousing around resetting it like it was hot
2016-11-23T17:51:04 < englishman> where it needs to be 1 or more times
2016-11-23T17:51:21 < Rob235> I'm guessing you didn't really mean 'random' design coordinates because how can you set origin if you don't know what to set it as?
2016-11-23T17:51:23 < ReadErr> plus having it in the middle of the board makes placing holes easy
2016-11-23T17:51:32 < ReadErr> 10,10 ; 10,-10
2016-11-23T17:51:33 < ReadErr> etc
2016-11-23T17:51:47 < englishman> yeah you can even have origin in a place of your choosing!
2016-11-23T17:51:49 < englishman> bottom left?
2016-11-23T17:51:50 < englishman> middle?
2016-11-23T17:51:53 < englishman> the choice is yours
2016-11-23T17:51:55 < englishman> in pro eda tools
2016-11-23T17:52:04 < englishman> such options wow
2016-11-23T17:52:11 < karlp> so kicad has "once" in that you have to start your design around it's origin point? or does it refuse to allow you to place tools at negative locations?
2016-11-23T17:52:21 < ReadErr> I heard you can even change it after you set it
2016-11-23T17:52:27 < ReadErr> some voodoo shit
2016-11-23T17:52:37 < englishman> dono, i tried to fuck around with moving the entire layout to proper coordinates
2016-11-23T17:52:44 < englishman> but some stuff wouldn't move outside the design frame
2016-11-23T17:52:52 < englishman> and i couldn't place some stuff outside the printable area
2016-11-23T17:52:56 < englishman> alreadyy retarded
2016-11-23T17:53:05 < englishman> wasting time
2016-11-23T17:53:38 < englishman> you know your tools are bad when you waste time on them
2016-11-23T17:53:47 < englishman> not just in electronics but everything
2016-11-23T17:54:00 < englishman> tools are supposed to save time
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2016-11-23T17:58:23 < ReadErr> and like other things, bad tools can be worse than no tools
2016-11-23T18:00:25 < Laurenceb> where did they find my dad
2016-11-23T18:00:26 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=944_1479897769
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2016-11-23T18:13:59 < karlp> jpa-: anyidea on my sigrok problem? https://paste.fedoraproject.org/488877/79917533/ everyone's asleep in #sigrok :|
2016-11-23T18:16:12 < Laurenceb> http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9RtJlN7G_-wJ:www.sonix.com.tw/files/1/0ADF04758D4A691EE05012ACA964744E+&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=ubuntu
2016-11-23T18:16:17 < Laurenceb> do want
2016-11-23T18:17:00 < kakimir> are chinese high temp thermopairs with that tube shaped head ok for food use?
2016-11-23T18:17:09 < kakimir> just normal stainless?
2016-11-23T18:19:57 < kakimir> I need to measure slightly acidic liquid temperature
2016-11-23T18:20:27 < Spirit532> kakimir, I'd rather not
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2016-11-23T18:23:31 < kakimir> okay
2016-11-23T18:24:13 < kakimir> I dont perfectly trust their "metalic material"
2016-11-23T18:40:48 < englishman> The superior image signal processing engine brings sight video experience.
2016-11-23T18:40:53 < englishman> Laurenceb is into some real shit
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2016-11-23T18:41:04 < Laurenceb> lul
2016-11-23T18:41:21 < Laurenceb> I was wondering how to make a pro zano
2016-11-23T18:41:36 < englishman> you buy a DJI mavic pro
2016-11-23T18:41:43 < englishman> $1100 in store or $2500 on ebay
2016-11-23T18:41:48 < Laurenceb> with h.264 encode you could do video over ism band
2016-11-23T18:42:24 < Laurenceb> zano==cheap, shitty, but small, light and fpv digital video
2016-11-23T18:42:59 < englishman> sure, but it has to fly itself
2016-11-23T18:43:03 < englishman> because h.264 lag
2016-11-23T18:43:12 < Laurenceb> hmm good point
2016-11-23T18:46:57 < Ecco> Hmm
2016-11-23T18:47:07 < Ecco> For some reason I can't seem to power on the SDIO controller
2016-11-23T18:47:36 < Ecco> I set the SDIO_POWER/PWRCTRL register to "On" and it never comes up
2016-11-23T18:47:51 < Ecco> (I write "On", and should wait until I read back "On" but always read "Off")
2016-11-23T18:51:17 < Lux> Laurenceb: there is some h264 stuff for cheap, just hard to get
2016-11-23T18:53:59 < Laurenceb> thats good to know
2016-11-23T18:54:00 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/e60aa0cdec21974bdd300c35206088f38cdab24565d82e09d046c7bb41cee351.jpg
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2016-11-23T19:01:03 < Laurenceb> pity esp32 has no usb
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2016-11-23T19:04:09 < Thorn> https://pp.vk.me/c5675/u43475929/95028459/w_a66d3642.jpg
2016-11-23T19:05:07 < Laurenceb> genius
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2016-11-23T19:10:37 < Steffanx> Tec2.
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2016-11-23T19:13:32 < englishman> http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/deadliestfiction/images/d/db/TEC9.jpg
2016-11-23T19:13:38 < Tectu> hi guys
2016-11-23T19:14:02 < englishman> whats innovating today alpsbro
2016-11-23T19:14:50 < Steffanx> He is fixing arc drawing with line thickness. 
2016-11-23T19:15:03 < Tectu> we had a meeting lately with the people living in this 4-family house and decided that it's okay for everybody if somebody showers after 10pm.
2016-11-23T19:15:39 < englishman> i'm glad you were able to negotiate a reasonable solution
2016-11-23T19:15:39 < Steffanx> \o/
2016-11-23T19:15:56 < Tectu> for the people that didn't know: That's forbidden by the swiss law
2016-11-23T19:16:01 < Steffanx> It was that or smelly tectu?
2016-11-23T19:16:02 < Tectu> LeelooMinai, ;)
2016-11-23T19:17:07 < englishman> you have to surrender all your teeth as punishment if you do.
2016-11-23T19:17:41 < Tectu> LeelooMinai, yep
2016-11-23T19:17:44 < englishman> after 10pm you are mandated 3 minutes 46 seconds of silence
2016-11-23T19:18:04 < englishman> the noisy pipes lobby has the government cornered
2016-11-23T19:18:22 < Tectu> LeelooMinai, I'm sure you have some ridiculous laws over there too :)
2016-11-23T19:19:01 < Spirit532> ReadErr, tried Tilen Majerle's libs
2016-11-23T19:19:07 < Spirit532> they're more awesome than HAL
2016-11-23T19:19:18 < Spirit532> 10 minutes from scratch to blinky and USB VCP
2016-11-23T19:19:19 < Spirit532> :D
2016-11-23T19:19:27 < Spirit532> I'm liking where this is going.
2016-11-23T19:19:51 < englishman> sounds like HAL except takes twice as long
2016-11-23T19:19:57 < Tectu> LeelooMinai :D
2016-11-23T19:20:04 < Spirit532> englishman, feels faster to me
2016-11-23T19:20:16 < Spirit532> HAL didn't work, here's to hoping that this works properly
2016-11-23T19:20:37 < Spirit532> the dude who wrote these appears to be an STM32 wizard, he's got libraries for pretty much anything you can imagine
2016-11-23T19:21:22 < Spirit532> C...?
2016-11-23T19:21:31 < Spirit532> lol
2016-11-23T19:21:33 < englishman> sorry to hear you couldn't get HAL to work
2016-11-23T19:21:48 < Spirit532> I got *it* to work
2016-11-23T19:21:50 < Spirit532> but DMA didn't
2016-11-23T19:21:55 < Spirit532> the rest worked okayish
2016-11-23T19:22:11 < Spirit532> D?
2016-11-23T19:22:14 < Spirit532> whyy....
2016-11-23T19:22:14 < Spirit532> D:
2016-11-23T19:22:38 < Spirit532> lol
2016-11-23T19:22:43 < Spirit532> I'll make G++ then
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2016-11-23T19:30:32 < ReadErr> i been reading up on that node shit
2016-11-23T19:30:40 < ReadErr> seems like the future of web
2016-11-23T19:30:43 < ReadErr> or present
2016-11-23T19:31:59 < Thorn> ok I made a pair of 1.5m and a pair of 0.75m leads. I have 2x2.5m of wire left. what to do next
2016-11-23T19:32:34 < ReadErr> put your hands behind your head and spin it like a helicopter
2016-11-23T19:35:28 < Thorn> not helpful
2016-11-23T19:38:02 < Thorn> I've actually got more wire on the way
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2016-11-23T19:39:27 < Thorn> I'm trying to think of which kind of leads I may need
2016-11-23T19:40:04 < Thorn> different length and connectors
2016-11-23T19:40:35 < Thorn> I have 5 pairs of those hooks/grabbers, this is what I should use next
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2016-11-23T19:56:41 < Spirit532> fuck yeah
2016-11-23T19:56:46 < Spirit532> this guy's libs work perfectly
2016-11-23T19:56:52 < Spirit532> I'm getting huge frame rates via single SPI
2016-11-23T19:57:04 < Spirit532> apparently I'm not replacing my display afterall...
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2016-11-23T20:03:48 < Spirit532> well, that's epilepsy
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2016-11-23T20:44:57 < decimad> Btw, all I can see is that this super-HAL uses the stm hal?
2016-11-23T20:46:25 < decimad> yeah, that's always necessary when you need to switch the hal, obviously!
2016-11-23T20:46:53 < decimad> but maybe I would add another layer just to be sure
2016-11-23T20:47:24 < Laurenceb> visiting 8chan  https://i.redd.it/s40n34x2n2zx.gif
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2016-11-23T20:48:07 < Spirit532> decimad, nope
2016-11-23T20:48:14 < Spirit532> it's using SPL
2016-11-23T20:48:19 < Spirit532> old, 2015 SPL
2016-11-23T20:49:06 < decimad> "Libraries for STM32F4xx and STM32F7xx built on HAL drivers from ST"
2016-11-23T20:49:27 < decimad> what does spl mean?
2016-11-23T20:51:29 < Spirit532> I'm using this
2016-11-23T20:51:30 < Spirit532> https://stm32f4-discovery.net/2014/05/all-stm32f429-libraries-at-one-place/
2016-11-23T20:51:38 < Spirit532> he's got a ton of stuff
2016-11-23T20:54:28 < decimad> I could not find any source code that was not actually STM or CMSIS on his github account... but I didn't search that much...
2016-11-23T20:54:40 < Tectu> time to FSMC
2016-11-23T20:54:45 < Tectu> wrong chat.
2016-11-23T20:54:49 < Steffanx> fmc.
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2016-11-23T20:55:13 < Tectu> actually you are right, this is 446
2016-11-23T20:55:33 < Steffanx> it is known.
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2016-11-23T21:19:05 < Tectu> damn, this QSPI is crazy fast
2016-11-23T21:19:11 < Tectu> it's like regular SPI, but faster
2016-11-23T21:19:16 < Tectu> like crazy fast
2016-11-23T21:20:08 < Steffanx> Sulplise.
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2016-11-23T21:26:36 < Steffanx> No,
2016-11-23T21:31:21 < Thorn> is quad serial serial or parallel
2016-11-23T21:32:35 < Thorn> why is it called serial
2016-11-23T21:35:44 < Tectu> kp :)
2016-11-23T21:35:51 < Tectu> wrong window again -__-
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2016-11-23T21:49:04 < BrainDamage> http://www.emojicode.org/
2016-11-23T21:51:32 < englishman> 🍆🍆🍆🍆
2016-11-23T21:53:13 < decimad> LeelooMinai: Define "proper" bitfields
2016-11-23T21:53:51 < decimad> I find it generally hard to implement those well on volatile addresses
2016-11-23T21:53:59 < decimad> like any hardware register usually is
2016-11-23T21:54:59 < decimad> LeelooMinai: Does it support writing multiple fields at once?
2016-11-23T21:56:35 < decimad> (I ended up making a register template onto which you can write an arbitrary amount of field<start, end>( val ) )
2016-11-23T21:56:52 < decimad> write or rmw
2016-11-23T21:57:46 < decimad> and then I generated the field types out of the svd stuff
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2016-11-23T22:07:21 < decimad> yeah, something that is closer to real problems... but it wouldn't be c anymore then, and even c++ got no traction on mcu's although there are no objective reasons for that
2016-11-23T22:08:19 < decimad> what's the meaning? I know traits as customizing templates ;)
2016-11-23T22:08:56 < decimad> that would be some kind of reflection
2016-11-23T22:09:08 < decimad> where you have a reference to the object and a reference to a meta table
2016-11-23T22:09:28 < decimad> depicting the runtime type of the object
2016-11-23T22:10:10 < decimad> which could possibly be altered on a per-object basis (storing differences with dynamic_cast<void*>(ptr) as a key for object identity maybe)
2016-11-23T22:11:01 < englishman> forgot something else i hated about kican't
2016-11-23T22:11:22 < decimad> englishman: go fix it!
2016-11-23T22:11:39 < englishman> why, i'm sure some idiot will argue 'it's designed that way'
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2016-11-23T22:12:43 < decimad> LeelooMinai: Although obviously a static vtable is more efficient ;)
2016-11-23T22:13:14 < decimad> also there doesn't have to be walked anything really...
2016-11-23T22:14:15 < decimad> but then you're back to vtables basically
2016-11-23T22:14:54 < decimad> I would not want to mess with pointers in this way. You're cutting the address space to map something
2016-11-23T22:17:19 < decimad> The hardware would have to specify it ignores the upper 8 bits or you'll have to erase them on every access, which is hardly efficient
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2016-11-23T22:18:39 < decimad> anyways, yeah, you can basically do fat pointer manually... but I don't really see an application on static stuff on small micro programs
2016-11-23T22:19:17 < decimad> we're not talking dynamic binding of fat desktop apps with XAML and the likes, are we? :)
2016-11-23T22:20:30 < decimad> Can you come up with a good sample?
2016-11-23T22:22:37 < decimad> what do you mean there? that is complicated?
2016-11-23T22:23:38 < decimad> What do you do if you want to react on two different timers?
2016-11-23T22:23:51 < decimad> I'd use a function/method ptr for this
2016-11-23T22:25:00 < decimad> with function ptr/method ptr you don't need ids
2016-11-23T22:25:12 < decimad> and no TimerCallback interface
2016-11-23T22:26:34 < decimad> Well, you can use dynamic_cast and try to cast to TimerCallback class
2016-11-23T22:26:45 < decimad> if you absolutely want
2016-11-23T22:27:53 < decimad> I don't see the necessity of such stuff on micros yet though. Imho those problems arise on software packages that are way above mcus in terms of processing power
2016-11-23T22:28:13 < decimad> and memory at hands
2016-11-23T22:30:39 < decimad> In my logic, anything that is not fixed at compile time cannot be as fast as something that is
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2016-11-23T22:32:05 < decimad> I'm at you btw, for desktop stuff anything but abstract base classes pretty much failed for me... oop is not as big as people make it seem
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2016-11-23T22:33:51 < decimad> And my point was that I would never want a case where I don't know the type in first place ;)
2016-11-23T22:34:01 < decimad> on mcus
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2016-11-23T22:36:42 < decimad> I faced no problems making my apis without them. I'd find them handy on stuff that I only wire up at runtime. Like UI with data models or something
2016-11-23T22:38:27 < decimad> I was not talking about C
2016-11-23T22:38:38 < Steffanx> You deserve a cookie LeelooMinai. Useful image. +1 :P
2016-11-23T22:39:09 < Steffanx> Yeah.
2016-11-23T22:40:09 < decimad> well, you basically use it to implement multiple interfaces^^ I wonder if I ever used it for something else
2016-11-23T22:40:28 < decimad> oh, you can also use it for empty base class optimization
2016-11-23T22:40:45 < decimad> multiple base classes
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2016-11-23T22:40:54 < Steffanx> I dont have much useful to add, hardly used C++ LeelooMinai
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2016-11-23T22:42:21 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P09Clz9H5as
2016-11-23T22:43:59 < Thorn> is there placement new in rust yet
2016-11-23T22:46:21 < Thorn> what if I want a long-lived object
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2016-11-23T22:51:17 < decimad> LeelooMinai: Reading through that link, where's the difference between that and using interface base classes in c++?
2016-11-23T22:51:56 < decimad> I mean, it's cool you can define that from outside maybe to enhance types that are not on your hands
2016-11-23T22:53:18 < decimad> yeah, but you can, I was thinking if the rust traits make something possible that you just can't do in c++
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2016-11-23T22:54:14 < decimad> You could basically do this "enhancement from outside" by defining overloads for some functions btw
2016-11-23T22:56:12 < decimad> Dude, that is cool to do, but it does not make it any more powerful, since the traits for a type must be know at the spot where they're used on it
2016-11-23T22:57:08 < decimad> Your initialy explanation before the link made me belive I can get a trait from a "void" like reference of an object
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2016-11-23T23:06:54 < decimad> Okay, then we're back to round 1. It is vtables, just supplied from outside. You can do that with C++ as well if you want.
2016-11-23T23:08:35 < decimad> template< typename IFace, typename T > my_trait : public IFace { T* obj_; void some_method() override { obj_->foo() } };
2016-11-23T23:09:21 < decimad> add class/struct, whatever looks better
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2016-11-23T23:17:42 < decimad> obj_ is the target object
2016-11-23T23:17:58 < decimad> scrap the template, it's not necessary
2016-11-23T23:18:40 < decimad> the override is there to emphasize that some_method is a method of the interface IFace
2016-11-23T23:19:20 < decimad> and it maps it on some expression involving the real object
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2016-11-23T23:19:46 < decimad> Traits are pretty much a syntax for this pattern, to my understanding
2016-11-23T23:21:02 < decimad> yes
2016-11-23T23:24:22 < decimad> there is only one base class
2016-11-23T23:24:29 < decimad> no pointer adjustment necessary
2016-11-23T23:25:20 < decimad> so to my understanding it would be equivalent
2016-11-23T23:27:33 < decimad> the template there is really wrong, that was a quick shot... it would rely on every type calling its method "foo"
2016-11-23T23:28:22 < decimad> Anyway, of course you can define a type that implements something for another type, that was the point :D
2016-11-23T23:28:34 < decimad> and rusts Traits are a syntax for this
2016-11-23T23:29:20 < decimad> erm, in combination with trait objects
2016-11-23T23:38:28 < decimad> that enum with match seems to be some kind of syntax for "variant"?
2016-11-23T23:38:51 < decimad> yeah, you can do that with template magic too ;)
2016-11-23T23:39:10 < decimad> but it obviously doesn't look as nice then
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2016-11-23T23:40:14 < decimad> I did that to implement the state machine for ptp
2016-11-23T23:41:31 < decimad> So to sum up: I like that there's syntax for both of the things, I'm fine if they add it to c++ eventually ;)
2016-11-23T23:42:18 < decimad> but I'd wait a couple more years before going to rust because of this
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2016-11-23T23:44:57 < wanderman> hello
2016-11-23T23:46:00 < chris_99> Hi, i'm just wondering, with a ds18x.. temp probe, which uses 1-wire, when accessed via an STM32F429 USART, i'm just a bit confused, how the temp sensor would be wired up to Rx & Tx, would i be right in thinking Rx & Tx, should be connected with a diode? (The temp sensor only has a single data line)
2016-11-23T23:49:20 < Tectu> Hello Mr. wanderman 
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2016-11-23T23:50:46 < wanderman> Tectu,  do you use keil ?
2016-11-23T23:51:47 < decimad> chris_99: Did you have a look at https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/app-notes/index.mvp/id/214 ? :)
2016-11-23T23:52:20 < Tectu> wanderman, yes
2016-11-23T23:53:48 < wanderman> i see, ok
2016-11-23T23:55:18 < chris_99> decimad, yeah i've been looking at that, particularly Figure 2b, in that they seem to use an external part NC7WZ07, but i seem to see examples where a diode is used
2016-11-23T23:57:08 < chris_99> for example https://electricimp.com/docs/resources/onewire/ but i was just confused if an external part is definitely necessary
2016-11-23T23:58:18 < Tectu> cu folks o/
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2016-11-24T00:00:28 < decimad> LeelooMinai: Recent compilers usually implement devirtualization
2016-11-24T00:00:45 < decimad> I would think so
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2016-11-24T00:03:40 < chris_99> oh sorry, seems no external parts are necessary just a Tx connection
2016-11-24T00:04:50 < decimad> LeelooMinai: Maybe rust will catch up with libs and robustness quicker than you will take to learn that stuff
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2016-11-24T00:05:33 < decimad> although I don't know if people will switch... D didn't take off either :/ I liked their mixins
2016-11-24T00:06:02 < decimad> I'm happy that somehow everything can be done in c++, even if it's ugly :P
2016-11-24T00:09:50 < decimad> the walking dead!
2016-11-24T00:10:37 < decimad> yeah, episode 5 currently I think
2016-11-24T00:12:04 < decimad> never heard of it
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2016-11-24T00:14:15 < decimad> I will probably join netflix somewhen soon... don't want to be x-rayd by amazon and whatchever is closing ;)
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2016-11-24T01:37:22 < upgrdman> in altidongs pcb, is there like 1-click hide-all-layers-except-current-layer ?
2016-11-24T01:40:53 < Kerr-A> So, my DSO Nano can provide the needed ground to power my board apparently.
2016-11-24T01:41:00 < Kerr-A> (Excellent!)
2016-11-24T01:42:00 < Kerr-A> One probe to ground. Then plug the DSO nano in to charge on the same usb hub my STlink is plugged into
2016-11-24T01:42:34 < Kerr-A> then you only need to connect the 3.3v line on the stlink to power the board. It's perfectly happy grounding thru my oscilloscope. PERFECT!
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2016-11-24T02:45:11 < aandrew> upgrdman: shift-s
2016-11-24T02:45:16 < aandrew> oh LeelooMinai beat me to it
2016-11-24T02:45:17 < aandrew> by like an hour
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2016-11-24T02:50:57 < stvn> hallo
2016-11-24T02:53:29  * stvn pours Steffanx a bourbon
2016-11-24T02:54:51 < ReadErr> i ended up making some custom layer sets
2016-11-24T02:54:59 < ReadErr> pretty handy
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2016-11-24T03:01:01 < dongs> upgrdman: and might wanna check prefs, new installs afer 16+ add one more shit into the shift=s cycle which is fucking useless
2016-11-24T03:01:30 < dongs> preferences -> pcb editor -> board insight dispaly -> avilable single layer modes
2016-11-24T03:01:50 < dongs> i usually just leave monochrome on, but those altidumb fucks started enabling some otehr shit by default on new installs.
2016-11-24T03:02:53 < aandrew> one of the first things I disable is board insight
2016-11-24T03:02:58 < ReadErr> still wish I could 1,2,3,4 layer sets
2016-11-24T03:03:05 < ReadErr> so much easier than the other dumb ways
2016-11-24T03:03:09 < dongs> aandrew: which is that?
2016-11-24T03:03:21 < aandrew> yeah layer sets are useful but I never set them up right
2016-11-24T03:03:31 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: fuck that!
2016-11-24T03:03:43 < dongs> fuck LeelooMinai ! more like
2016-11-24T03:03:59 < dongs> aandrew: what board insight
2016-11-24T03:04:02 < dongs> that green thing in top left?
2016-11-24T03:04:10 < aandrew> dongs: that stupid overlay they have in the upper left corner where it tries to guess what info you want about whatever you're hovering over
2016-11-24T03:04:15 < dongs> ah
2016-11-24T03:04:17 < aandrew> it's always fucking wrong and slows shit down
2016-11-24T03:04:26 < dongs> the only use i found for that is seeing if im in mils or mm mode
2016-11-24T03:04:30 < ReadErr> when will altidumb be able to use more than 1 thread
2016-11-24T03:04:36 < aandrew> dongs: I use the bottom left for that
2016-11-24T03:04:41 < ReadErr> its fucking 2016
2016-11-24T03:04:42 < aandrew> in the status bar for the iwnodw
2016-11-24T03:04:42 < dongs> when they stop using delphi
2016-11-24T03:04:49 < dongs> aandrew: right, but old habit
2016-11-24T03:04:54 < aandrew> ReadErr: that will just allow it to crash in several places at the same time
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2016-11-24T03:05:07 < ReadErr> lo
2016-11-24T03:05:09 < dongs> i should try the ACTIVEROUTE(TM)
2016-11-24T03:05:27 < aandrew> I bought a bunch of pressure and flow sensors off of aliexpress
2016-11-24T03:05:37 < ReadErr> I wonder if the new version has the fixed DRC crash shit
2016-11-24T03:05:41 < ReadErr> god that bug is annoying
2016-11-24T03:05:41 < aandrew> they're all fucking BSP threaded so I had to buy BSP to NPT thread adapters
2016-11-24T03:05:44 < aandrew> that shit's expensive
2016-11-24T03:05:46 < dongs> they still have no release notes for 17.x...
2016-11-24T03:06:02 < aandrew> flow sensor: $6. Adapters: $26
2016-11-24T03:06:35 < aandrew> my .ro plumber is sufficiently curious that he will install them for free
2016-11-24T03:06:44 < aandrew> yeah I already have the cracked 17
2016-11-24T03:06:54 < aandrew> haven't installed it yet
2016-11-24T03:07:01 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: rutracker
2016-11-24T03:07:07 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: sonsivri
2016-11-24T03:07:19 < dongs> huh activeroute is an extension
2016-11-24T03:07:22 < aandrew> let me see if I can find the mega link
2016-11-24T03:07:40 < aandrew> they ahve a torrent too
2016-11-24T03:07:48 < ReadErr> https://my-rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4118530
2016-11-24T03:08:00 < ReadErr> wait wtf
2016-11-24T03:08:02 < ReadErr> the dates
2016-11-24T03:08:16 < ReadErr> oh nm
2016-11-24T03:08:18 < ReadErr> updated post
2016-11-24T03:08:30 < dongs> why are you two faggots tripping over yourself  to suck lelooman's dick?
2016-11-24T03:08:46 < dongs> shame
2016-11-24T03:08:49 < dongs> and discussing piracy, no less
2016-11-24T03:09:06 < ReadErr> Russian Medicine is the best medicine
2016-11-24T03:09:21 < aandrew> dongs: I offer help to anyone and accept help from anyone. :-)
2016-11-24T03:09:55 < dongs> how are those dickstarter guys doing. i didnt read that thread since yesterday night and there was some new stuff
2016-11-24T03:10:01 < dongs> i hope you will get a bunch of $ on that shit.
2016-11-24T03:10:20 < aandrew> dongs: I have to respond yet
2016-11-24T03:10:34 < ReadErr> Yesterday downloaded the installer, set, key came from the hand, normal flight ... 
2016-11-24T03:10:34 < ReadErr> h ---- TTPS: //s3.amazonaws.com/altium-release-manager/Altium_Designer_17/AltiumDesignerSetup_17_0_6.exe
2016-11-24T03:10:36 < aandrew> I am suggesting they make what they have work before spinning an entirely new system
2016-11-24T03:10:47 < dongs> yeah, t hat makes sense
2016-11-24T03:10:56 < ReadErr> translate lol
2016-11-24T03:10:58 < dongs> or maybe upgrade to BGA F7
2016-11-24T03:11:02 < aandrew> yep
2016-11-24T03:11:15 < aandrew> BGA F7 will be a significant rework, the F7 is not pin compatible with F4/F2/F0
2016-11-24T03:11:20 < dongs> is it not?
2016-11-24T03:11:29 < dongs> fucking cunts, st has been lying to me
2016-11-24T03:11:35 < dongs> in that case might as well drop PSRAM too
2016-11-24T03:11:37 < dongs> and switch to SDR
2016-11-24T03:11:53 < dongs> that would probably equalize the price difference between F4->F7
2016-11-24T03:11:55 < aandrew> but the ISP spits out JPEG already, they CLAIM to have auto focus but can't get me data... and I don't think that even 20% of the firmware's written
2016-11-24T03:12:01 < aandrew> dongs: it's "mostly" pin compatible
2016-11-24T03:12:07 < dongs> there's actually some firmware
2016-11-24T03:12:09 < dongs> in the zip
2016-11-24T03:12:25 < dongs> but not sure at which state it is, looked like a keil proj with HAL + BlueAids + other shit all thrown in
2016-11-24T03:12:27 < aandrew> but they moved peripheral pins around in incompatible ways, and the supply rails changed enough to be frustrating
2016-11-24T03:12:35 < aandrew> dongs: yeah, I saw it there but it's in a very prelim state
2016-11-24T03:12:42 < aandrew> yep
2016-11-24T03:12:44 < aandrew> exactly
2016-11-24T03:13:05 < ReadErr> altidumb is done yay
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2016-11-24T03:13:50 < aandrew> but basically if the ISP is doing all of the image shit already, it needs to do autofocus becaue you won't be decoding JPEG, HPF that shit, talking ot the lens servos and doing it all over again
2016-11-24T03:13:57 < dongs> i did some screen watchdog shit for those guys few years ago, a little thing that gets taped into corner of advertising displays to see if the playout device has stoned itself or etc
2016-11-24T03:14:23 < dongs> then about a year later when crapplewatch came out they wanted to make a clone
2016-11-24T03:14:26 < dongs> i said, lol no
2016-11-24T03:14:28 < aandrew> dongs: interesting, wouldn't have thought of such a device
2016-11-24T03:14:42 < aandrew> heh I worked with the original watch guys, allerta
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2016-11-24T03:14:55 < aandrew> they fucked me :-(
2016-11-24T03:14:57 < aandrew> I was stupid
2016-11-24T03:16:08 < dongs> aandrew: common thing around advertising displays apaprently, also same thing can be used to track which stuff is displayed by having some low-bitrate coded blinks/etc in that corner
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2016-11-24T03:16:20 < aandrew> *nods* makes sense in hindsight
2016-11-24T03:16:30 < aandrew> like almsot every interesting gadget I hear about :-)
2016-11-24T03:16:36 < dongs> but if playback dies, then no changes in color/whatever in that area, and it reboots the player
2016-11-24T03:17:01 < aandrew> I have a friend who gets giddy at finding bluescreened public displays
2016-11-24T03:17:13 < dongs> heh
2016-11-24T03:20:52 < dongs> oh my
2016-11-24T03:20:57 < dongs> ive received a PROTECTED FAX SHEET
2016-11-24T03:21:05 < dongs> with a password and .rtf file attached
2016-11-24T03:21:11 < dongs> totally clicking it
2016-11-24T03:21:14 < aandrew> hahaha
2016-11-24T03:21:31 < dongs> dont these cunts know that faxes are .tiff
2016-11-24T03:21:44 < aandrew> all they care is that most people don't
2016-11-24T03:21:49 < dongs> heh
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2016-11-24T03:37:26 < zyp> dongs, did you look for the boards?
2016-11-24T03:44:51 < stvn> the amplifier is fucked
2016-11-24T03:49:54 < Laurenceb_> https://archive.is/iY2td
2016-11-24T03:50:00 < Laurenceb_> top dramaz
2016-11-24T03:51:43 < stvn> 2sb1047 mate
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2016-11-24T03:54:10 < Laurenceb_> High power NPN epitaxial planar bipolar transistor
2016-11-24T03:54:57 < Laurenceb_> oh shit oh shit oh shit oh shit
2016-11-24T03:55:00 < Laurenceb_> http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/porn-websites-sites-pages-videos-internet-adult-uk-digital-economy-bill-a7433551.html
2016-11-24T03:55:04 < Laurenceb_> I'm in jail dude
2016-11-24T03:55:33 < Laurenceb_>  /life-style/
2016-11-24T03:56:06 < Laurenceb_> 'Such restrictions include the “four-finger rule”, for instance, which limits the number of digits that can be placed into any orifice while on video. ' 
2016-11-24T03:56:35 < dongs> wat
2016-11-24T03:56:57 < dongs> zyp, yes but not seeing. have to check one more place on weekend. i dont see any here tho
2016-11-24T03:56:58 < Laurenceb_> http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/948/911/ed7.jpg
2016-11-24T03:57:07 < stvn> LOL
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2016-11-24T03:57:24 < dongs> funny level: laurenceb links
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2016-11-24T04:08:09 < stvn> the linx
2016-11-24T04:08:48 < Laurenceb_> yo dongs I had a product idea
2016-11-24T04:08:57 < Laurenceb_> zano type thing that actually works
2016-11-24T04:09:10 < Laurenceb_> mini quadcopter with digital video
2016-11-24T04:09:27 < Laurenceb_> dunno if h.264 or mjpeg tho
2016-11-24T04:09:45 < Laurenceb_> but with either esp32 or ism band for the link
2016-11-24T04:13:10 < Kerr-A> They already exist. like $15
2016-11-24T04:13:18 < Laurenceb_> http://www.onsemi.com/pub_link/Collateral/AX5051-D.PDF
2016-11-24T04:13:20 < Laurenceb_> link psl
2016-11-24T04:13:24 < Laurenceb_> *pls
2016-11-24T04:14:19 < Kerr-A> Oh, live telemetry
2016-11-24T04:14:27 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-11-24T04:14:32 < Kerr-A> Ones that take pictures or video are everywhere
2016-11-24T04:14:39 < Laurenceb_> analogue works but its a bit sucky
2016-11-24T04:14:43 < Kerr-A> its called FPV in the hobby world
2016-11-24T04:14:47 < Laurenceb_> zano idea seems kind of neat
2016-11-24T04:14:49 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-11-24T04:14:59 < Laurenceb_> digital with onboard storage and link
2016-11-24T04:15:30 < Kerr-A> https://hobbyking.com/en_us/fpv-aerial-video-telemetry-1/fpv-platforms.html
2016-11-24T04:15:50 < Laurenceb_> yeah saw those
2016-11-24T04:16:20 < Laurenceb_> was thinking cheap and cheerful
2016-11-24T04:16:25 < Laurenceb_> lightweight and small to
2016-11-24T04:16:44 < Kerr-A> Couldnt be too expensive to put together
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2016-11-24T04:19:26 < Laurenceb_> guess its possible with... 
2016-11-24T04:19:30 < Laurenceb_> Rpi zero
2016-11-24T04:19:42 < Kerr-A> Wouldn't be able ot get live video
2016-11-24T04:19:45 < Kerr-A> *to
2016-11-24T04:19:54 < Kerr-A> rpi isnt powerful enough
2016-11-24T04:20:02 < Laurenceb_> it has GPU accelerated shit
2016-11-24T04:20:03 < Laurenceb_> easy
2016-11-24T04:20:09 < Kerr-A> using a video RF transmitter is the best option
2016-11-24T04:20:21 < dongs> Laurenceb_: already done, ask ABLomas 
2016-11-24T04:20:41 < dongs> there's some hacked athersos thing and rageberry zero  + csi camera, very low latency h264 streaming over long range
2016-11-24T04:20:53 < Laurenceb_> sounds sweet
2016-11-24T04:21:01 < Kerr-A> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ-cJgJQcBo
2016-11-24T04:21:03 < dongs> has extra FEC and shit, receiver end can even error correct shit iirc
2016-11-24T04:21:09 < Laurenceb_> niceeeee
2016-11-24T04:21:23 < Laurenceb_> time to grab zano $$
2016-11-24T04:21:38 < dongs> http://www.wumpus-cave.net/2015/11/06/low-latency-fpv-streaming-with-the-raspberry-pi/
2016-11-24T04:21:41 < dongs> not sure if this is original link
2016-11-24T04:21:43 < dongs> doenst look right
2016-11-24T04:21:56 < dongs> hm no
2016-11-24T04:21:58 < dongs> thats not right one
2016-11-24T04:22:00 < dongs> thats reguolar rageberry
2016-11-24T04:22:02 < dongs> and nothing smart
2016-11-24T04:22:13 < dongs> ah, wifibroadcast
2016-11-24T04:22:13 < dongs> that
2016-11-24T04:22:16 < dongs> https://befinitiv.wordpress.com/wifibroadcast-analog-like-transmission-of-live-video-data/
2016-11-24T04:22:47 < dongs> Wifibroadcast uses Forward Error Correction to archive a high reliability at low bandwidth requirements. It is able to repair lost or corrupted packets at the receiver.
2016-11-24T04:23:17 < Laurenceb_> wow someone who isnt an ardutard and knows their stuff
2016-11-24T04:23:23  * Laurenceb_ is impressed
2016-11-24T04:23:31 < Laurenceb_> looks like a non shit wifi
2016-11-24T04:23:35 < Laurenceb_> or at least less shit
2016-11-24T04:23:48 < dongs> anywaey ABLomas knows more about this stuff, i think hes involved with it or something i donno or at least have tested it before
2016-11-24T04:24:24 < ReadErr> need small DVB tx
2016-11-24T04:24:42 < Laurenceb_> haha
2016-11-24T04:24:47 < Laurenceb_> just find an unused channel
2016-11-24T04:24:57 < ReadErr> breakinDaLaw
2016-11-24T04:27:15 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: interesting
2016-11-24T04:28:23 < ReadErr> dongs: none of that rpi wifi shit works worth a fuck
2016-11-24T04:28:40 < Laurenceb_> welcome to rpi
2016-11-24T04:28:43 < ReadErr> not long range or reliably atleast
2016-11-24T04:29:07 < Laurenceb_> well _theoretically_ wifi isnt a totally stupid choice
2016-11-24T04:29:11 < Laurenceb_> if its done right
2016-11-24T04:30:16 < ReadErr> maybe if you live in BFE
2016-11-24T04:30:24 < ReadErr> without any other 2.4 shit around
2016-11-24T04:30:25 < Laurenceb_> I tried some propogation modelling, drone at 200ft, ground station at 3ft
2016-11-24T04:30:45 < Laurenceb_> 802.11n gave me 1/4mile range at 6Mbps
2016-11-24T04:30:56 < Laurenceb_> 868mhz 3mile range at ~1Mbps
2016-11-24T04:31:15 < ReadErr> some dude did have a small DVB tx project
2016-11-24T04:31:23 < Laurenceb_> this is with my pro tier propogation modelling tool at work
2016-11-24T04:31:27 < ReadErr> on 433
2016-11-24T04:31:30 < Laurenceb_> and "extra urban"
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2016-11-24T04:31:43 < Laurenceb_> interesting, I'll have a google for stuff
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2016-11-24T04:32:14 < ReadErr> extra black?
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2016-11-24T05:06:12 < stvn> 9
2016-11-24T05:07:23 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaTuFB5QXHo retweeting
2016-11-24T05:08:54 < ReadErr> funky
2016-11-24T05:10:52 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1230242223/oscilloscope-music haha he dickstarted it
2016-11-24T05:10:55 < dongs> wtf
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2016-11-24T05:21:30 < ohsix> lul
2016-11-24T05:21:33 < ohsix> boners
2016-11-24T05:22:36 < ohsix> the loonix guy i was in a meeting with for most of the day yesterday didn't do anything we'd talked about, and his scatterbrained junk he did that day f'd up the functionality they'd already tested
2016-11-24T05:24:49 < ReadErr> sounds like typical lunix shit
2016-11-24T05:25:26 < ohsix> he uses gentoo
2016-11-24T05:25:40 < Kerr-A> hmm...
2016-11-24T05:25:57  * Kerr-A consideres plugging his oscilloscope into the audio jack of his pc
2016-11-24T05:26:00 < ohsix> basically he didn't have his shit together and _should_ have not had to meet with me, should have done it over 2 weeks ago
2016-11-24T05:26:29 < Kerr-A> To see if the imagery is legit
2016-11-24T05:26:44 < ohsix> and i didn't get any of the information about building the kernel so i could crowd him out, he's hard to contact and get in to work
2016-11-24T05:27:34 < ohsix> anyways one of the guys doing packing/test wanted to test on device for some of the poop and today sucked
2016-11-24T05:27:35 < dongs> you  need card that can do 192khz
2016-11-24T05:27:36 < stvn> ok
2016-11-24T05:27:37  * Kerr-A notices his dso nano uses the same plug...
2016-11-24T05:27:53 < ReadErr> I dont think that stuff will even work on a digial scope will it?
2016-11-24T05:27:57 < dongs> works ok on my tek
2016-11-24T05:27:59 < ReadErr> digital
2016-11-24T05:28:00 < dongs> looks crappy
2016-11-24T05:28:04 < dongs> in XY mode
2016-11-24T05:28:07 < dongs> but can definitely see
2016-11-24T05:28:25 < dongs> i think have teo fuck around with persistence/sampling rate/size
2016-11-24T05:28:31 < dongs> to get it to look decent
2016-11-24T05:28:48 < dongs> also only 48khz audio, that loses a lot of quality
2016-11-24T05:29:00 < dongs> if I had flac player and 192khz interface would probly look beetter
2016-11-24T05:29:09 < ReadErr> need to upgrade mobo DAC
2016-11-24T05:29:17 < dongs> unplug opamp
2016-11-24T05:29:17 < stvn> lul'
2016-11-24T05:29:18 < ReadErr> heard thats big in the gaming mobo scene
2016-11-24T05:29:24 < dongs> from socket
2016-11-24T05:29:38 < Kerr-A> My dso nano is actually really annoying me lately. Can anyone recommend a sub-$350 scope that's good?
2016-11-24T05:29:48 < ReadErr> rigol 
2016-11-24T05:29:50 < ReadErr> 1054z
2016-11-24T05:29:51 < dongs> > sub 350
2016-11-24T05:29:52 < dongs> > good
2016-11-24T05:29:55 < dongs> you pick one
2016-11-24T05:29:59 < ReadErr> best u will get for that $
2016-11-24T05:30:00 < Kerr-A> :/
2016-11-24T05:30:07 < stvn> cruck
2016-11-24T05:30:59 < ohsix> heh
2016-11-24T05:31:05 < ohsix> this is another oscilloscope music dude
2016-11-24T05:31:16 < ohsix> i posted some album/videos here a few weeks ago
2016-11-24T05:32:06 < ReadErr> yea
2016-11-24T05:32:10 < ReadErr> you can riglol it
2016-11-24T05:32:16 < ReadErr> and its pretty decent
2016-11-24T05:32:21 < stvn> project senpai
2016-11-24T05:32:21 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAyCl4IHIz8
2016-11-24T05:32:42 < ohsix> this is less complex but the music is nicer/more interesting lul
2016-11-24T05:32:49 < Kerr-A> I can make out some of the shapes on my dso nano :p
2016-11-24T05:33:52 < Kerr-A> Well for $100 is technically does everything ive needed to do
2016-11-24T05:33:56 < ohsix> someone sent braille a skateboard made of copper pipes
2016-11-24T05:34:18 < Kerr-A> right now the most annoying thing is that the input continues off screen!
2016-11-24T05:34:57 < Kerr-A> I also notined that somehow my stm8 board can ground through it enough to operate
2016-11-24T05:34:59 < Kerr-A> Brilliant!
2016-11-24T05:35:02 < Kerr-A> *noticed
2016-11-24T05:35:23 < Kerr-A> I unplugged the ground on my stlink, but the chip kept running...
2016-11-24T05:35:31 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAyCl4IHIz8&lc=z13rzxqheuaavr5eu23iidfy0q30cxlba04.1466704821272640 lul that sounds like a burn but it is the actual sample
2016-11-24T05:35:48 < Kerr-A> LA?
2016-11-24T05:36:25 < ReadErr> 8$ logic8 clone
2016-11-24T05:37:11 < ReadErr> idk for debugging I like a scope since its live
2016-11-24T05:37:19 < Kerr-A> I still super new to everything electronics in general, but having a lot of fun with this stuff
2016-11-24T05:37:19 < ReadErr> can probe and see
2016-11-24T05:37:43 < ReadErr> well live in the sense you dont have to dick with settings, capture, wait
2016-11-24T05:38:29 < ReadErr> different usecases for both
2016-11-24T05:38:35 < ReadErr> should buy the 8$ clone either way
2016-11-24T05:38:47 < ReadErr> 1054z will do some decoding 
2016-11-24T05:39:37 < ohsix> howru ReadErr 
2016-11-24T05:39:42 < ReadErr> super
2016-11-24T05:39:54 < ReadErr> u?
2016-11-24T05:40:14 < stvn> yeah, i'd get undressed too.
2016-11-24T05:40:48 < ohsix> and sTEEF
2016-11-24T05:40:55 < ohsix> ReadErr: good
2016-11-24T05:42:02 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/801631274276372480
2016-11-24T05:42:17 < ReadErr> AWW
2016-11-24T05:42:38 < Kerr-A> For right now I'm just poking around with controlling hobby rc stuff with microcontrolers/etc so the only real things I need to look are PWM. I'll become interested in more intense projects later once I learn
2016-11-24T05:43:05 < ohsix> camping is in tents
2016-11-24T05:44:25  * Kerr-A REALLY wishes he could make dso nano input NOT continue off screen
2016-11-24T05:44:30 < ohsix> anything interesting go on today
2016-11-24T05:45:46 < ohsix> Kerr-A: continue offscreen? like timebase low enough it starts scrolling?
2016-11-24T05:46:04 < Kerr-A> Aye
2016-11-24T05:46:16 < Kerr-A> Well, IDK terminology, let me explain
2016-11-24T05:46:43 < Kerr-A> When I set the time base to a large enough value, it can take as much as 15 seconds for the input to wrap around and update
2016-11-24T05:47:11 < Kerr-A> I can pause and scroll forward to see it, but I cant follow the input live unless time base is <.5ms
2016-11-24T05:47:22 < ohsix> ah
2016-11-24T05:47:33 < ohsix> right
2016-11-24T05:47:40 < ohsix> yea cuz you can pan around
2016-11-24T05:48:04 < ohsix> should be able to change your trigger mode, but it might work like that in allc ases just to be uniform
2016-11-24T05:48:13 < Kerr-A> I want to be able to set it to "Loop" at the end of the screen
2016-11-24T05:48:37 < Kerr-A> It only triggers within the currently viewed segment
2016-11-24T05:48:53 < Kerr-A> To see the rising or falling edge, correct?
2016-11-24T05:49:02 < ohsix> the screen width doesn't have much to do with what is going on, but yea i understand
2016-11-24T05:49:22 < ohsix> there might be an option for how many samples to buffer
2016-11-24T05:50:28 < Kerr-A> SMPLDPTH: 1K, 2K, 4K, 6K
2016-11-24T05:51:15 < ohsix> what is it set to now? set it to 1k
2016-11-24T05:51:32 < ohsix> you have conflicting criteria on the time base tho
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2016-11-24T05:51:48 < ohsix> it should probably scroll but maybe that's too expensive, i ahven't looked at the fw for those
2016-11-24T05:51:50 < Kerr-A> 2K is default, and yes 1k makes it 'come around' sooner
2016-11-24T05:51:59 < Kerr-A> Scrolling is done manually =D
2016-11-24T05:52:38 < ReadErr> why do you need a 15second window for RC pwm
2016-11-24T05:53:14 < Kerr-A> I don't. It works fine at ~60-80hz
2016-11-24T05:53:29 < Kerr-A> But if I want to look at anything slower, it becomes quite annoying
2016-11-24T05:53:38 < Kerr-A> https://statics3.seeedstudio.com/seeed/img/2016-06/wR1YLjqHKHGhiFrafxbDZo3A.jpg
2016-11-24T05:54:05 < Kerr-A> See that bar with the triabgle wave pattern at the bottom?
2016-11-24T05:54:15 < Kerr-A> the window on it is what you are looking at
2016-11-24T05:55:18  * Kerr-A is confused, explain?
2016-11-24T05:55:39  * Kerr-A is also open to reading suggestions, as he realizes his knowledge here is limited
2016-11-24T05:56:00 < ohsix> ReadErr: it sounds like a boner in the dso nano
2016-11-24T05:56:35 < Kerr-A> Yes, exactly. That's what I'm saying though, the square window is fixed unless you pan it manually (and slowly)
2016-11-24T05:56:38 < ohsix> was using the dso138, it's pretty awesome :>
2016-11-24T05:56:49 < ohsix> it is a toy but not a toy
2016-11-24T05:57:15 < ohsix> for 12$ or something, it's pretty cool; aside from assembly time, it's a handy lcd/input/switch/analog buffer dev board witha n f103 on it
2016-11-24T05:57:23 < dongs> blame jpa
2016-11-24T05:57:27 < dongs> he wrote dsonano firmware
2016-11-24T05:57:47 < Kerr-A> jpa- : I'm supposed to blame you
2016-11-24T05:57:52 < ohsix> good
2016-11-24T05:58:21 < ohsix> did he really write the bulk/all/anything he'd be running? i saw the stuff on his blag but didn't look too close, not until i had one
2016-11-24T05:58:45 < Kerr-A> Well it behaves like it would expect when the time base is small enough to fill the buffer before i'd notice there is a buffer
2016-11-24T05:59:01 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-24T05:59:07 < Kerr-A> I *really* want the buffer to be the size of the screen
2016-11-24T05:59:10 < ohsix> there's a little cpld or something in there, i dunno what that does
2016-11-24T05:59:11 < dongs> who';s giving out advice. ignore tagteam are both idle equally low
2016-11-24T05:59:20 < ohsix> not me
2016-11-24T05:59:21 < dongs> maybe you're receiving advice from TWO autists at once!
2016-11-24T05:59:40 < ohsix> dongs touched my boobie
2016-11-24T05:59:56 < Kerr-A> I cant justify spending $500+ on a scope, so I'll have to just deal for now.
2016-11-24T06:00:14 < ohsix> get a dso138 :D
2016-11-24T06:00:25 < ohsix> analog bw is only 200khz or something horrible, and only one 'channel'
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2016-11-24T06:00:39 < ohsix> but it is fun to build and works surprisingly well enough
2016-11-24T06:00:57 < ohsix> when you get to a slow enough time base it starts scrolling like you want, too; and theres' no buffer settings
2016-11-24T06:01:12 < ohsix> actually i can take a vidya, sec
2016-11-24T06:02:17 < Kerr-A> LeelooMinai: Yeah. I'd like that, but... still just a hobby. I'll consider it more when I get further down the rabbit hole.
2016-11-24T06:03:12 < Kerr-A> Well I'm not even sure what direction to go in
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2016-11-24T06:03:48 < Kerr-A> What stuff might become interesting to me beyond pwm servo control?
2016-11-24T06:04:49 < Kerr-A> No markings on the case, so give me a moment to check my order
2016-11-24T06:04:53 < Kerr-A> to be sure
2016-11-24T06:05:20 < Kerr-A> https://www.amazon.com/Handheld-Oscilloscopes-DSO-Nano-V3/dp/B015X6LZFO
2016-11-24T06:05:27 < ohsix> i used to read manuals for people that needed help so i could berate them for being slow
2016-11-24T06:08:07 < Kerr-A> ~65-90hz
2016-11-24T06:08:17 < Kerr-A> In that range things function fine, no annoyances
2016-11-24T06:08:33 < Kerr-A> Its if I want to look at something slower that it gets annoying
2016-11-24T06:08:49 < Kerr-A> Well, one moment and ill give you a number
2016-11-24T06:09:04 < ohsix> Kerr-A: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdjEm1Zy-Ng
2016-11-24T06:11:18 < ohsix> heh techmoan posted a video of scope music today, is that why people were talking about it?
2016-11-24T06:14:20 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaTuFB5QXHo&t=168s
2016-11-24T06:14:23 < ohsix> er
2016-11-24T06:14:27 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaTuFB5QXHo
2016-11-24T06:14:33 < ohsix> youtube got some ui changes that are nice
2016-11-24T06:16:12 < ohsix> Kerr-A: there's an oscilloscope emulator thing referenced in that video
2016-11-24T06:16:20 < ohsix> huhu it takes wav files as a source, neat
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2016-11-24T06:19:18 < Kerr-A> So at a time base > 1ms there is an annoying delay, ~2 seconds before it updates the viewed portion of the buffer
2016-11-24T06:20:04 < Kerr-A> uhh, 73 atm
2016-11-24T06:21:14 < Kerr-A> NORM, Rising edge
2016-11-24T06:21:38 < Kerr-A> It simply doesn't follow every wave, only the first one of the buffer
2016-11-24T06:22:32 < Kerr-A> The view area is 12 x time base
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2016-11-24T06:23:57 < Kerr-A> at 10ms I can see 9 peaks in the view area, and the viewed area updates every 4 seconds or so
2016-11-24T06:25:42 < Kerr-A> single places the first rising edge at the beginning of the buffer, then fills the buffer with ~10 seconds worth of additional waves, then stops
2016-11-24T06:26:13 < Kerr-A> I can use the Xn pulldown to (painfully slowly) scroll thru the rest of the captured waves
2016-11-24T06:27:04 < Kerr-A> Maybe that's an exaggeration
2016-11-24T06:27:08 < Kerr-A> a few seconds though
2016-11-24T06:31:23 < Kerr-A> So at the moment I have the controller set to change the duration of the high pulses when I short certain pins. (So I can go from 1ms -> 2ms ranges my esc and servos take)
2016-11-24T06:31:54 < Kerr-A> Let's say I wanted to see that a longer pulse was changing gradually like it should, say 10ms pulse
2016-11-24T06:32:00 < Kerr-A> going to 20ms
2016-11-24T06:32:32 < Kerr-A> What is "Roll Mode" 
2016-11-24T06:32:37  * Kerr-A googles
2016-11-24T06:33:36 < Kerr-A> http://www.sweetwater.com/insync/roll-mode/
2016-11-24T06:33:40 < Kerr-A> EXACTLY.
2016-11-24T06:34:11 < dongs> roledice model
2016-11-24T06:34:13 < dongs> -l
2016-11-24T06:34:28 < Kerr-A> Yeah. no roll mode. =D
2016-11-24T06:34:38 < stvn> senpai
2016-11-24T06:34:58  * Kerr-A listens with cautious optimism
2016-11-24T06:37:14 < Kerr-A> SOLD.
2016-11-24T06:38:09 < Kerr-A> Wish someone had told me about it when I asked for cheap scope options in ##electronics
2016-11-24T06:38:27 < Kerr-A> at the time the suggestion I got was dso nano, so I bought one :p
2016-11-24T06:42:13 < Kerr-A> Tyvm!
2016-11-24T06:46:29 < ohsix> troll mode
2016-11-24T06:46:57 < ohsix> it's not usually a mode
2016-11-24T06:47:27 < ohsix> it's just what a thing does at slow timebases, it can go from left to right and blank, go from left to right and overwrite old buffer, or go from left to right then start scrolling
2016-11-24T06:53:54 < Kerr-A> Well...
2016-11-24T06:57:00 < ohsix> i wonder if phantom will end up suing chronos guy for all the videos he has about essentially reverse engineering their cameras
2016-11-24T06:58:02 < Kerr-A> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZBC87LgJSU
2016-11-24T06:58:27 < Kerr-A> 2m for cold butter
2016-11-24T06:59:28 < Kerr-A> followed by the mystery goo from ksp
2016-11-24T07:06:42 < jpa-> karlp: i think you are chaining the two decoders there
2016-11-24T07:08:12 < jpa-> karlp: hmm no.. that would be -S..
2016-11-24T07:08:16 < jpa-> karlp: dunno
2016-11-24T07:09:15 < jpa-> ohsix, dongs: in reality i wrote nothing for dso nano; i just wrote a few custom apps for dso quad
2016-11-24T07:09:24 < jpa-> Kerr-A: i hereby avoid your blame
2016-11-24T07:11:02 < Kerr-A> lol
2016-11-24T07:20:11 < englishman> http://www.altium.com/documentation/sites/default/files/resize/wiki_attachments/275601/TreeofKnowledge_fromss-517x350.jpg
2016-11-24T07:20:16 < englishman> altium ESD simulator
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2016-11-24T07:45:23 < ohsix> jpa-: werd
2016-11-24T07:46:01 < ohsix> jpa-: do you know if there is an option to constrain to the screen regardless of buffer length? or scroll? that's what Kerr-A was looking for
2016-11-24T07:46:30 < jpa-> i don't even have a dso nano, so no
2016-11-24T07:46:36 < ohsix> k
2016-11-24T07:50:30 < ohsix> http://superiorsignal.com/products/ultrasonic-instruments/accutrak-vpe-1000-ultrasonic-leak-detector looool these look like fancy vapes, and it is even called the vpe-1000
2016-11-24T07:52:38 < Kerr-A> So
2016-11-24T07:52:53 < Kerr-A> I found that there is a "Scan" Mode, but not on mine :p
2016-11-24T07:53:02 < ohsix> nice
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2016-11-24T07:53:24 < ohsix> is it one of the clones, or an old rev? i have no idea
2016-11-24T07:53:42 < upgrdman> i wish this was a game i could wander around in  https://cdnb3.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/000/675/603/large/alex-serebryakov-env21.jpg?1443931019
2016-11-24T07:53:49 < jpa-> Kerr-A: maybe just update firmware?
2016-11-24T07:54:08 < jpa-> are you using the benf firmware or some age-old original buggy one?
2016-11-24T07:55:47 < Kerr-A> Im using what came on the device
2016-11-24T07:56:09 < Kerr-A> im going t obe out for a bit shortly, but will look into updating firmware later
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2016-11-24T08:15:08 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hip-Hip-Hooray-its-your-Birthday-Personalized-Music-CD-/290702150921?hash=item43af32cd09:m:mXFlmLZco84Lqmz-kx2ecbA lul
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2016-11-24T08:35:37 < upgrdman> nice code indentation   https://i.redd.it/uz7clsht3ezx.jpg
2016-11-24T08:38:19 < zyp> looks like somebody haven't heard of elseif
2016-11-24T08:39:23 < zyp> or maybe it's deep continuation passing style with closures
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2016-11-24T09:34:42 < stvn> we've run out of lice pictures
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2016-11-24T10:09:46 < stvn> and by that i mean m3 screws
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2016-11-24T10:31:10 < hansihe> just because i don't really know anyone I can ask, would anyone in here mind proofreading/giving me suggestions on a electronics related blog post thing?
2016-11-24T10:31:28 < hansihe> preferably with okey english knowledge
2016-11-24T10:38:18 < stvn> hi let me assess your questions
2016-11-24T10:39:07 < hansihe> reason i'm asking to ask is because I do not want to share it publically yet
2016-11-24T10:39:22 < stvn> youve come to the right place
2016-11-24T10:39:35 < stvn> here is as far away from the public as one cares to know
2016-11-24T10:41:27 < hansihe> right then
2016-11-24T10:41:30 < hansihe> https://medium.com/@hansihe/i-built-a-computer-from-scratch-66a0c6d7086a#.r51y3n5zs
2016-11-24T10:41:38 < stvn> i'm happy to look at it
2016-11-24T10:41:45 < hansihe> thanks
2016-11-24T10:42:05 < hansihe> grammar and stuff is probably rough, just wrote that out in an hour
2016-11-24T10:42:14 < hansihe> mainly looking for suggestions on content
2016-11-24T10:42:25 < stvn> haha nice you built a computer out of 74xxx logic?
2016-11-24T10:42:38 < hansihe> yep
2016-11-24T10:42:47 < stvn> you really love pain i guess
2016-11-24T10:42:50 < hansihe> it's pretty much functional by now
2016-11-24T10:42:54 < stvn> most people just use an fpga :)
2016-11-24T10:43:02 < hansihe> well, it's not the same thing :)
2016-11-24T10:43:20 < stvn> i hearz ya
2016-11-24T10:43:29 < hansihe> i wrote a model for it in verilog before i built it though
2016-11-24T10:43:32 < stvn> what was that thing again... kenbak1
2016-11-24T10:43:33 < stvn> or something
2016-11-24T10:43:57 < stvn> that was a dirty little piece
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2016-11-24T11:21:06 < upgrdman> anyone else here have a logitech mouse with the high-resolution scroll wheel?
2016-11-24T11:21:32 < stvn> i think it might be
2016-11-24T11:21:42 < stvn> i have like 10 logitech wireless mice
2016-11-24T11:21:46 < stvn> or mouses
2016-11-24T11:21:51 < upgrdman> any way to force the windows driver to always output the high-res mode? seems like the driver tries to be smart and only enable this in a web browser and a few other apps.
2016-11-24T11:22:38 < upgrdman> but its weird, because if i select Chrome, then move over to another window, without clicking on that window, i can scroll that window in high-res, because the driver thinks im still scrolling in Chrome or someshit
2016-11-24T11:23:35 < stvn> i just plug em in dude
2016-11-24T11:23:45 < upgrdman> lol k
2016-11-24T11:34:39 < jpa-> for me windows usually passes all scrolling to active window even if the mouse is elsewhere
2016-11-24T11:34:49 < dongs> lolusps
2016-11-24T11:35:22 < dongs> posted from anchorage, alaska. went to san francisco, oakland, lousiville, back to anchorage, louiisiville, anchorage, tokyo, hongkong
2016-11-24T11:35:33 < dongs> currently doing something in hongkong.
2016-11-24T11:35:33 < stvn> sounds legit
2016-11-24T11:35:50 < dongs> the timings between hops look ok.
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2016-11-24T12:02:46 < stvn> please
2016-11-24T12:08:19 < karlp> jpa-: turns out problem was that -P implicitly chains, -S is only for reordering the chain you gave with -P and it doesn't allow multiple -P options.  => failing in the -cli options, so.... guess what my project is today at work :)
2016-11-24T12:08:55 < jpa-> haha, surprising that is lacks such a basic feature
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2016-11-24T12:16:38 < stvn> is it free software?
2016-11-24T12:17:16 < dongs> it has to be
2016-11-24T12:18:43 < karlp> jpa-: fairly obviously, people are using pulseview instead, where it works just fine
2016-11-24T12:18:54 < stvn> is that free too?
2016-11-24T12:19:00 < karlp> both frontends to the same thing
2016-11-24T12:19:05 < stvn> hmm
2016-11-24T12:20:19 < jpa-> karlp: true
2016-11-24T12:20:21 < stvn> dongs, ubuntu melted my laptop
2016-11-24T12:20:42 < dongs> lunix on laptop is a joke
2016-11-24T12:20:52 < dongs> it only works if you have a 10 years old, 5kg thinkpad
2016-11-24T12:20:53 < stvn> yeah they seem to run 20 - 30 degrees C hotter
2016-11-24T12:20:54 < dongs> with openbios
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2016-11-24T12:21:21 < stvn> vintage
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2016-11-24T12:30:21 < Kliment> dongs: You're a joke. Doing any sort of hardware work on Windows is just a massive pain
2016-11-24T12:31:07 < Kliment> dongs: Capricious USB stack, driver nightmare, no BLE support in most versions, toolchains are both expensive and buggy
2016-11-24T12:31:07 < stvn> yeah i hate using keil and don't get me started on altium, worst tools ever invented
2016-11-24T12:31:18  * stvn lights another cigar
2016-11-24T12:32:10 < sterna> Altium is nice for PCB routing
2016-11-24T12:32:21 < sterna> Too bad it's trying to everything else as well...
2016-11-24T12:34:01 < stvn> oh well
2016-11-24T12:34:06 < stvn> you can use autotrax
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2016-11-24T12:50:20  * karlp tops up stvn's whiskey
2016-11-24T12:50:33 < stvn> thanks mate
2016-11-24T12:51:59 < stvn> i went to my hardware store and purchased some wiha screwdrivers mate
2016-11-24T13:11:13 < karlp> they're just a screwdriver :)
2016-11-24T13:11:25 < stvn> i like them cause they're made in germany
2016-11-24T13:20:58 < stvn> i want to fly2germany
2016-11-24T13:24:51 < karlp> too many rules.
2016-11-24T13:25:00 < stvn> mmm
2016-11-24T13:25:12 < stvn> where do you live mr karl
2016-11-24T13:27:37 < karlp> I come from here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZluVURB-om0
2016-11-24T13:28:54 < stvn> nice song 
2016-11-24T13:29:02 < stvn> always liked that song
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2016-11-24T13:49:24  * Kliment lives in Germany
2016-11-24T13:49:53 < stvn> guten tag
2016-11-24T13:50:01 < stvn> (thats all my german btw)
2016-11-24T13:54:31 < stvn> my friend works at SEW and they speak better english than him (even though english is his first language)
2016-11-24T14:11:46 < Kliment> SEW?
2016-11-24T14:12:48 < stvn> SEW eurodrive in germany
2016-11-24T14:18:29 < stvn> where is englishman 
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2016-11-24T14:25:55 < dongs> whats SEW, shitty end of wales?
2016-11-24T14:26:25 < dongs> Kliment: what teh fucking fuck are you talking about
2016-11-24T14:26:32 < dongs> thats why 99% of world developers use windows right
2016-11-24T14:27:02 < ReadErr> heh ya just make your hardware lunix only
2016-11-24T14:27:13 < ReadErr> dont have to do much work selling them
2016-11-24T14:27:13 < dongs> watch nobody buy it
2016-11-24T14:27:28 < dongs> lunix fags want free as in i'd rather steal it
2016-11-24T14:27:35 < dongs> good luck trying to sell anything to those cheap fucks
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2016-11-24T14:30:35 < sync> dongs: sew makes motors and vfds and shit
2016-11-24T14:30:56 < dongs> yeah im just trolling
2016-11-24T14:31:01 < sync> obv
2016-11-24T14:31:55 < Kliment> dongs: For example, I'm currently buiding a few devices targeting OSX and Windows end users
2016-11-24T14:32:07 < Kliment> dongs: But debugging them on the target platform is impossible
2016-11-24T14:32:17 < dongs> ?
2016-11-24T14:32:23 < dongs> why are you targeting faggots
2016-11-24T14:32:35 < dongs> also what "debugging" is impossible?
2016-11-24T14:33:17 < jpa-> debugging on windows is actually pretty feasible and well documented
2016-11-24T14:33:21 < Kliment> dongs: The device that is targeting OSX is a BLE-attached sensor. Apple's BLE stack doesn't really like telling you what's happening behind the scenes
2016-11-24T14:33:36 < dongs> how the fuck is taht even remotely related to windows?
2016-11-24T14:33:49 < jpa-> use an external analyzer?
2016-11-24T14:34:10 < Kliment> dongs: Windows doesn't have a working BLE stack at all, it was only in the latest Win10 that they fixed the major bugs and it's still impossible to say read device advertisements without pairing
2016-11-24T14:34:20 < jpa-> but yeah, there are advantages to seeing the operating system source code
2016-11-24T14:34:32 < Kliment> jpa-: And being able to instrument the stack
2016-11-24T14:34:53 < jpa-> yes
2016-11-24T14:35:02 < Kliment> jpa-: Windows has its own idea of what say HID descriptors are supposed to look like, and will refuse standard-compliant devices
2016-11-24T14:35:15 < jpa-> sob sob
2016-11-24T14:35:35 < dongs> i dont even see why desktop OS needs BLE support at all
2016-11-24T14:35:43 < dongs> BT's only useful for liek shitty keyboards
2016-11-24T14:35:47 < dongs> and mice if you want lag x 1000
2016-11-24T14:35:59 < Kliment> jpa-: When the OS won't load the driver for arbitrary reasons, it's extremely difficult to debug what's happening on the device side
2016-11-24T14:36:07 < dongs> can't thikn of a single time I went to my desktop and said "wow, i wish windows supported bluetooth"
2016-11-24T14:36:38 < Kliment> jpa-: So for HID in particular I tend to set up things on linux, get the device side working, then fiddle with the descriptor until Windows grudgingly accepts it
2016-11-24T14:36:48 < dongs> what
2016-11-24T14:36:52 < dongs> why is this about USB now?
2016-11-24T14:37:26 < Kliment> dongs: I'm more wondering why I'm even taking part in this conversation
2016-11-24T14:38:32 < dongs> agreed
2016-11-24T14:38:44 < dongs> if you're debugging USB, you need a proper hardware usb analyzer
2016-11-24T14:38:44 < jpa-> so are we
2016-11-24T14:38:53 < dongs> then you have exact answers about whats wrong
2016-11-24T14:38:53 < jpa-> seems like this is just a rant about "it takes effort"
2016-11-24T14:38:55 < dongs> without "guessing"
2016-11-24T14:39:05 < dongs> if you lack such shit, you can fuck around on lunix or osx or some other garbage
2016-11-24T14:39:11 < dongs> and guess until shit works
2016-11-24T14:39:15 < dongs> then hope it works on windows.
2016-11-24T14:39:19 < Kliment> hardware usb analyzer doesn't help when one side of the link doesn't cooperate
2016-11-24T14:39:19 < ReadErr> proper = rpi running lunix with USB over TCP driver
2016-11-24T14:39:21 < ReadErr> right?
2016-11-24T14:39:34 < dongs> Kliment: it does, it tells you WHY one side of hte link doesnt cooperate
2016-11-24T14:39:49 < dongs> whether its failing during enumeration or later or whatever.
2016-11-24T14:39:51 < jpa-> Kliment: thousands of HID devices work fine on windows; it has its quirks, but what operating system does not have quirks?
2016-11-24T14:40:13 < Kliment> dongs: Well, the answer in this case is "the Windows HID driver does not like this particular descriptor although it's compliant with the spec"
2016-11-24T14:40:19 < dongs> bullshit.
2016-11-24T14:40:35 < dongs> i bet it actually isnt, and hardware analyzer would have told you that
2016-11-24T14:41:30 < jpa-> it's true that some particular descriptors can cause windows not to use its built-in drivers
2016-11-24T14:41:38 < jpa-> perhaps you were hitting that?
2016-11-24T14:41:50 < Kliment> yep. And what those are is neither documented nor logical
2016-11-24T14:42:39 < jpa-> they probably are documented somewhere, you can pay microsoft to tell you where :P
2016-11-24T14:43:00 < Kliment> Well, if I could see the driver source it would be clear
2016-11-24T14:43:48 < jpa-> so if microsoft wasn't a business with business interests.. windows probably wouldn't exist anymore
2016-11-24T14:44:23 < Kliment> I get that they have their reasons, and honestly that's none of my business
2016-11-24T14:44:45 < Kliment> I'm just saying it's far easier for me to do the initial device development on a platform that cooperates
2016-11-24T14:45:29 < Kliment> And the work involved in porting it to windows once I have a working setup on linux is less than doing the development on windows to start with
2016-11-24T14:46:15 < Kliment> I ended up doing this after spending a lot of time developing on windows exclusively, so I do have a basis for comparison
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2016-11-24T15:07:14 < dongs> https://gfycat.com/HeavyLiquidFox wat
2016-11-24T15:07:29 < dongs> also ^ attn jadew 
2016-11-24T15:08:27 < jadew> at least it wasn't a car
2016-11-24T15:08:39 < dongs> http://www.digi24.ro/stiri/actualitate/evenimente/barbatul-lovit-de-panou-in-iasi-a-murit-618311 he died anyway
2016-11-24T15:09:01 < jadew> really?
2016-11-24T15:09:08 < dongs> donno, according to this 
2016-11-24T15:09:10 < jadew> holly crap
2016-11-24T15:09:19 < jadew> that didn't seem that bad of a hit
2016-11-24T15:10:41 < jadew> oh, apparently he had some head injuries
2016-11-24T15:10:49 < BrainDamage> you can die falling down from standing still, all you have to do is hit your skull first when falling backwards, one of m uncles died that way
2016-11-24T15:11:33 < karlp> skulls are both wonderfully robust and terrifyingly fragile, all at the same time
2016-11-24T15:11:41 < jadew> I had a g/f who's dad died like that too
2016-11-24T15:11:51 < jadew> he slipped on ice
2016-11-24T15:12:35 < jadew> he didn't die right away tho
2016-11-24T15:14:23 < jadew> karlp, yeah, which is why I was very happy that I didn't get hurt too bad when I had a bicycle accident 2 years ago and fell on my face
2016-11-24T15:21:48 < dongs> i fell on some shit in construction zone and got one of those concrete rebars stuck in my forehead
2016-11-24T15:22:31 < jadew> it didn't pierce your skull tho, right?
2016-11-24T15:23:40 < dongs> no idea this was when i was a kid
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2016-11-24T15:26:03 < sync> karlp: the issue with all lightweight constructions
2016-11-24T15:26:36 < jadew> I was jumping on a bent one when I was a kid, slipped and it made a deep and long cut on the back of my leg
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2016-11-24T15:38:23 < dongs> haswell/sandyvag xeon should take DDR3 right?
2016-11-24T15:40:43 < dongs> hmm i think my xeon is haswell
2016-11-24T15:40:45 < dongs> fuck knows
2016-11-24T15:40:45 < dongs> k bbl
2016-11-24T15:42:12 < jadew> they have the same core?
2016-11-24T15:42:47 < jadew> I thought xeons had a different core than the regular ones
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2016-11-24T15:48:49 < jadew> looks like they're not different
2016-11-24T15:49:43 < Kliment> jpa-: You might know this - what's the lowest pin count stm32 that has high speed USB?
2016-11-24T15:50:33 < Kliment> it's unfortunate that HS PHYs are so rare on microcontrollers
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2016-11-24T15:51:54 < jadew> STM32F446RC maybe?
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2016-11-24T15:53:48 < Kliment> jadew: Oh yeah, that looks quite promising, thanks
2016-11-24T15:53:49 < jadew> 405 also comes in LQFP-64
2016-11-24T15:54:16 < jadew> np
2016-11-24T15:54:41 < Kliment> I guess none of the f4s have a HS PHY
2016-11-24T15:55:04 < Kliment> I've only seen one Atmel device and a handful of LPCs that have those
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2016-11-24T16:03:14 < Spirit532> Another stupid question: why is my MCO output so weak, and how can I make it bigger?
2016-11-24T16:03:14 < Spirit532> https://i.spirit.re/5IHI4.bmp
2016-11-24T16:03:38 < Spirit532> MCU runs on 2.8V, 96MHz, external 8MHz crystal with to-spec caps.
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2016-11-24T16:04:15 < Spirit532> do I have to configure the MCO pin somehow?
2016-11-24T16:05:10 < Spirit532> that is, beyond what it's already been configured for, which is push/pull, alternative function, high speed
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2016-11-24T16:09:51 < karlp> Kliment: one of the TI devices has an oboard hs phy.
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2016-11-24T16:13:03 < Spirit532> any ideas?
2016-11-24T16:13:11 < Spirit532> I have no clue about what is going on with this clock
2016-11-24T16:15:32 < karlp> 96mhz is just kinda a lot.
2016-11-24T16:15:37 < Spirit532> karlp, I need it
2016-11-24T16:15:46 < karlp> bullshit
2016-11-24T16:16:00 < Spirit532> I'll be doing supersampling and deconvolution
2016-11-24T16:16:15 < Spirit532> on a large image
2016-11-24T16:16:18 < Spirit532> up to 640x480
2016-11-24T16:17:14 < Spirit532> seriously though, why is my clock so floppy?
2016-11-24T16:17:57 < karlp> because it's 96mhz?
2016-11-24T16:18:08 < karlp> stop trying to put 96Mhz on MCO, use the divider
2016-11-24T16:18:12 < Spirit532> not 96
2016-11-24T16:18:18 < Spirit532> I need 24MHz on the MCO
2016-11-24T16:18:23 < Kliment> Spirit532: I think it's the GPIO that can't handle the speed
2016-11-24T16:18:24 < Spirit532> well, 25, but 24 will do because USB 
2016-11-24T16:19:20 < Spirit532> Kliment, what should I do?
2016-11-24T16:19:58 < Spirit532> I absolutely *need* 24MHz at close to 2.8V above ground
2016-11-24T16:20:02 < Kliment> Spirit532: How much load do you have on the pin?
2016-11-24T16:20:06 < Spirit532> almost none
2016-11-24T16:20:12 < Spirit532> it's driving another device's clock input
2016-11-24T16:20:22 < Spirit532> but even unloaded, it's still this sloppy
2016-11-24T16:20:36 < Kliment> What part is this?
2016-11-24T16:20:44 < Spirit532> as in?
2016-11-24T16:20:46 < Spirit532> oh
2016-11-24T16:20:52 < Spirit532> FLIR Lepton V3 image sensor
2016-11-24T16:20:58 < Kliment> I mean your MCU
2016-11-24T16:21:12 < sync> how are you measuring the output, maybe your probing loads it too much
2016-11-24T16:21:22 < Spirit532> STM32F411VET6U
2016-11-24T16:21:25 < Kliment> yeah, that was going to be my next question
2016-11-24T16:21:38 < Kliment> An oscilloscope probe at 1x is too much load for MCO
2016-11-24T16:21:38 < Spirit532> sync, short loop 1meg probe
2016-11-24T16:21:41 < Spirit532> right
2016-11-24T16:21:45 < Spirit532> let me try at 10x
2016-11-24T16:21:49 < sync> pls.
2016-11-24T16:21:54 < sync> never use your probe at 1x
2016-11-24T16:22:46 < Spirit532> hah
2016-11-24T16:22:47 < Kliment> sync: I prefer 1x for current probing
2016-11-24T16:22:50 < Spirit532> yeah, it's not sloppy
2016-11-24T16:23:01 < Spirit532> well fuck, this complicates things a whole lot more
2016-11-24T16:23:06 < Kliment> Spirit532: How come?
2016-11-24T16:23:19 < Spirit532> the device in question doesn't init... apparently?
2016-11-24T16:23:19 < Spirit532> D:
2016-11-24T16:23:23 < Kliment> The 411 should be able to output 35MHz on MCO I think
2016-11-24T16:23:25 < sync> Kliment: I use current probes for that
2016-11-24T16:23:38 < Kliment> sync: If you have them to hand, absolutely
2016-11-24T16:24:05 < Kliment> Spirit532: Maybe it got confused by you probing its clock
2016-11-24T16:24:11 < Spirit532> nope
2016-11-24T16:24:16 < Kliment> Spirit532: Try hold it under reset until you're ready
2016-11-24T16:24:20 < Spirit532> I'm not seeing clock on SPI
2016-11-24T16:24:25 < Spirit532> something might be wrong on my part
2016-11-24T16:24:26 < Spirit532> (master)
2016-11-24T16:24:46 < Kliment> Spirit532: To follow the theme, have you enabled the clock for all relevant parts?
2016-11-24T16:25:02 < sync> Spirit532: the idea behind a 10x probe is that it lowers your capacitive loading
2016-11-24T16:25:04 < Spirit532> maybe not
2016-11-24T16:25:11 < sync> that is why you had a shitty signal before
2016-11-24T16:25:15 < Spirit532> sync, I know, I just didn't think it was that order of magnitude
2016-11-24T16:25:26 < sync> well, measure it
2016-11-24T16:25:40 < sync> your scope will have something like 10-30pf input cap
2016-11-24T16:25:53 < sync> and the cable something like 10pf/m
2016-11-24T16:26:03 < sync> + the compensation element
2016-11-24T16:26:34 < sync> unless you are measuring fart voltages there is no reason why you should not use 10x probes
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2016-11-24T16:28:51 < fest> Spirit532: also, what is the input bandwidth for your scope?
2016-11-24T16:29:19 < Spirit532> 70MHz, scope hacked to 200, frontend is good up to around 100 by measurements of others
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2016-11-24T16:52:33 < Spirit532> FUCK YEAH
2016-11-24T16:52:36 < Spirit532> THE SENSOR JUST DID A THING!
2016-11-24T16:52:42 < Spirit532> it's only an automatic thing, BUT A THING NONETHELESS
2016-11-24T16:52:56 < Spirit532> now I have to make it do the thing again
2016-11-24T16:52:57 < sync> amaze
2016-11-24T16:53:25 < Spirit532> it turned on the little shutter
2016-11-24T16:53:27 < Spirit532> AND THEN TURNED IT OFF
2016-11-24T16:53:34 < Spirit532> so cool, from an engineer's standpoint :)
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2016-11-24T16:54:29 < fest> Spirit532: doesn't v3 also do that automatically when you have it in correct power state?
2016-11-24T16:54:34 < Spirit532> yes!
2016-11-24T16:54:37 < Spirit532> and when you give it proper clock
2016-11-24T16:54:46 < Spirit532> that means I'm not an utter retard and it actually functions
2016-11-24T16:56:07 < fest> I actually broke the shutter on lepton I have
2016-11-24T16:56:20 < fest> that is, one of coil wires came loose
2016-11-24T16:56:45 < Spirit532> I broke mine too
2016-11-24T16:56:53 < Spirit532> but I managed to save it before the last heat staked peg fell off
2016-11-24T16:56:59 < Spirit532> holding it down with a rubberband now
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2016-11-24T16:58:21 < Spirit532> the trick is apparently to turn chip select on(low) only about a second after reset goes up
2016-11-24T17:01:35 < kakimir> Laurenceb: https://i.redd.it/7qpeehzwoywx.jpg husbando
2016-11-24T17:11:36 < Spirit532> kakimir, that's wrong
2016-11-24T17:11:37 < Spirit532> lol
2016-11-24T17:12:53 < kakimir> it's photo from alternative universe
2016-11-24T17:13:16 < Spirit532> where the 5% are poor
2016-11-24T17:13:21 < Spirit532> and 95% are filthy rich
2016-11-24T17:13:26 < karlp> oh gdb.... Python Exception <class 'TypeError'> iter() returned non-iterator of type '_iterator': 
2016-11-24T17:13:32 < karlp> the fuck is that supposed to mean?!
2016-11-24T17:18:48 < zyp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdb/+bug/1449389
2016-11-24T17:19:19 < zyp> oh, they're switching to python3?
2016-11-24T17:20:02 < zyp> anyway, #2 in that link explains it
2016-11-24T17:20:41 < zyp> iterator types need to have a __next__ method in python 3
2016-11-24T17:21:11 < zyp> without it it doesn't fulfill the iterator interface and is thus a non-iterator
2016-11-24T17:21:34 < karlp> yeah, just been trying to disable pretty printers
2016-11-24T17:21:43 < karlp> disaster mess.
2016-11-24T17:22:02 < karlp> turning it off in gdbinit works on cli, netbeans is somehow getting it turned back on again somehow
2016-11-24T17:22:14 < karlp> that's a better page than I'd found yet though, thanks :)
2016-11-24T17:22:59 < Laurenceb> kakimir: I spy LeelooMinai
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2016-11-24T17:25:40 < Rob235> good morning peepz
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2016-11-24T17:27:04 < karlp> awwwww yeah
2016-11-24T17:27:06 < karlp> thanks zyp
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2016-11-24T17:41:30 < Laurenceb> I'm having a hard time believing this - esp32 rf spec beats best atheros shit
2016-11-24T17:43:38 < karlp> well, atheros hasn't existed for a few years. sooo not that hard?
2016-11-24T17:43:40 < Rob235> http://cnn.it/2ftUKnc
2016-11-24T17:43:55 < Ecco> I'm trying to read an SD card
2016-11-24T17:44:00 < Ecco> more precisely, to initialize it
2016-11-24T17:44:15 < Ecco> but I keep reading zero in SDIO_RESP1
2016-11-24T17:44:22 < Ecco> The other registers seems to be working OK
2016-11-24T17:44:44 < Ecco> i.e. I write to SDIO_CMD, and read SDIO_STA until it says it sent the command
2016-11-24T17:44:50 < karlp> Rob235: "I've never seen one that has so much power, it's aftermarket customized so you can change the voltage for high performances,"
2016-11-24T17:44:57 < karlp> subooooohming yo
2016-11-24T17:44:57 < Ecco> I get a status of "command and args sent OK"
2016-11-24T17:45:01 < Ecco> but the response is always zero
2016-11-24T17:45:19 < Rob235> haha
2016-11-24T17:45:19 < karlp> "His next step will be taking appropriate legal action against the device's manufacturer"
2016-11-24T17:45:22 < karlp> hehe
2016-11-24T17:45:23 < karlp> rightttttt
2016-11-24T17:46:15 < Rob235> why does it happen in the pocket, is it a delayed reaction to just being used? or do the batteries get damaged over time and randomly explode
2016-11-24T17:47:52 < karlp> stop vaping, never worry about it....
2016-11-24T17:48:17 < Rob235> vaping isnt the only thing causing batteries to explode. I'm just curious about battery care
2016-11-24T17:49:15 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/AY0U8z0.jpg
2016-11-24T17:49:39 < Rob235> meh
2016-11-24T17:51:34 < Rob235> I used to vape like 3 tanks a day, now it takes me 3 days to go through a tank
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2016-11-24T17:57:39 < emeb_mac> switch to some frou-frou vape flavor like coconut-mango and you can stop fast
2016-11-24T18:06:06 < englishman> when old drugs become boring, just injest them in new and expensive ways
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2016-11-24T18:13:18 < Rob235> whats goin on with butane? I used to get a can of 7x filtered for $3.50 shipped and now the cheapest I can find is 5x for $5-7 a can and up to $15 a can
2016-11-24T18:14:40 < Kliment> Rob235: People stockpiling maybe?
2016-11-24T18:15:16 < Rob235> everyone extracting THC with it causing demand to skyrocket
2016-11-24T18:18:45 < ReadErr> Rob235: soxhlet + hexane 
2016-11-24T18:19:35 < karlp> what's 7x and 5x mean in this context?
2016-11-24T18:19:46 < aandrew> < Laurenceb> I'm having a hard time believing this - esp32 rf spec beats best atheros shit
2016-11-24T18:19:50 < aandrew> yeah I don't believe that for a moment
2016-11-24T18:20:11 < Rob235> its how many times the butane is filtered to get rid of impurities
2016-11-24T18:20:46 < karlp> they have a marketting number saying how many times?!
2016-11-24T18:20:48 < aandrew> wtf, you're using purified butane to extract thc? 
2016-11-24T18:20:53 < karlp> I tink you're in a strange world
2016-11-24T18:20:55 < aandrew> what happened to smoking a joint just to chill
2016-11-24T18:21:12 < karlp> aandrew: shuddup gramps... ;)
2016-11-24T18:21:20 < Rob235> I only tried butane extraction once, I use the butane almost exclusively for my torch to do dabs
2016-11-24T18:21:20 < aandrew> heh
2016-11-24T18:21:22 < Rob235> and my lighters
2016-11-24T18:21:40 < Rob235> the filtering in this aspect just keeps it from gunking up more quickly
2016-11-24T18:21:45 < Rob235> so its not really important
2016-11-24T18:21:50 < aandrew> actually I don't smoke weed. it's not my thing. I would absolutley do more shrooms or try acid sometime
2016-11-24T18:22:01 < aandrew> but weed just isn't my thing
2016-11-24T18:22:14 < ReadErr> Rob235: market gimmick 
2016-11-24T18:22:15 < Rob235> my shrooming phase is long gone, never tried acid
2016-11-24T18:22:18 < Rob235> I don't drink, I just smoke
2016-11-24T18:22:24 < ReadErr> 5x 7x
2016-11-24T18:22:48 < ReadErr> plenty of better solvents
2016-11-24T18:22:49 < Rob235> I don't know if I agree with that.  every extraction says to use at least 5x
2016-11-24T18:22:53 < ReadErr> that are reusable 
2016-11-24T18:22:59 < Rob235> oh yea I'm sure
2016-11-24T18:23:03 < Rob235> but butane is easy
2016-11-24T18:23:10 < ReadErr> well yea cuz every stoner just recycles what they read
2016-11-24T18:23:19  * karlp hi5s aandrew
2016-11-24T18:23:52 < Rob235> the number itself is somewhat useless but I'm sure it is probably a higher quality product
2016-11-24T18:24:06 < Rob235> either way I'm not doing extractions anymore
2016-11-24T18:25:49 < ReadErr> just grab it from the DNM
2016-11-24T18:25:56 < ReadErr> much easier and cheaper
2016-11-24T18:26:15 < Rob235> as I said, I'm not doing extractions anymore :)
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2016-11-24T18:28:39 < wanderman> https://www.freetype.org/index.html
2016-11-24T18:28:41 < wanderman> hello
2016-11-24T18:29:07 < wanderman> anybody has used this font rendering c library for STM32 Projects?
2016-11-24T18:30:17 < ReadErr> axe tectu
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2016-11-24T18:34:28 < Laurenceb> aandrew: yeah I've very dubious of all the rf specs
2016-11-24T18:34:39 < Laurenceb> and that probably measn they inflated other stuff too
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2016-11-24T18:38:08 < dekar> wanderman, I've used µGUI (https://github.com/jmoyerman/UGUI) which also has a font converter. (https://github.com/AriZuu/ttf2ugui)
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2016-11-24T18:38:18 < dekar> Meh
2016-11-24T18:38:42 < wander___> just wondering how to render combined grapheme on stm32
2016-11-24T18:38:45 < wander___> in unicode,
2016-11-24T18:38:59 < wander___> dekar,  those mostly render descrete letters, not combined grapheme ,
2016-11-24T18:39:18 < wander___> english has only descrete letters but, other languages have combined letters ,
2016-11-24T18:41:11 < dekar> Well the DMA2D thing supports color keying, maybe you could just overlay them?
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2016-11-24T18:41:54 < wander___> ?
2016-11-24T18:42:28 < wander___> that is great library, it use freetype library 
2016-11-24T18:44:12 < wander___> Döbler , dekar 
2016-11-24T18:44:39 < wander___> this 2nd letter is combined letter, is it posible to render this word " Döbler" in this library ?
2016-11-24T18:45:31 < dekar> The umlaut ö exists in all the default fonts IIRC.
2016-11-24T18:46:23 < wander___> ok thank you for the info. 
2016-11-24T18:46:55 < karlp> but probably not as a separatre mark for combination....
2016-11-24T18:47:17 < karlp> Laurenceb: what makes you think specs on atheros shit is any more "real" 
2016-11-24T18:47:45 < englishman> heh
2016-11-24T18:47:56 < englishman> the war of fake marketing numbers
2016-11-24T18:49:12 < Laurenceb> karlp: atheros is closer match to IEEE "targets" and range test reports
2016-11-24T18:50:36 < karlp> Laurenceb: like you give a shit anyway.  it should be better than prior gen.  for anything beyond that, you need to do your own qualification phase for your own design, at which point you're not trusting anyone's claims anyway.
2016-11-24T18:52:31 < Laurenceb> thats like +-2dB with pro layout
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2016-11-24T19:10:03 < aandrew> dekar: any particular reason you're using that forked version rather than the original?
2016-11-24T19:11:28 < dekar> aandrew, I think that fork is from one of the more active contributors and they still merged some of the pull requests once the original author ceased caring.
2016-11-24T19:11:43 < aandrew> *nods* good to know :-)
2016-11-24T19:58:56 < Steffanx> As a student you could do that, but im not sure if that's still the case. aandrew did something like that i think. ( or his son)
2016-11-24T19:58:58 < zyp> license system seems to support either
2016-11-24T19:59:13 < Steffanx> but then you have issues with commercial usage :P
2016-11-24T19:59:16 < Steffanx> iirc
2016-11-24T19:59:29 < aandrew> Steffanx: they have really nice student discounts (USD$120/yr)
2016-11-24T19:59:47 < Steffanx> Yeah, which is nice aandrew. 
2016-11-24T19:59:54 < aandrew> and IIRC pro versions of Altium are buy and keep, but support is an annual contract in the amount of a couple thousand dollars
2016-11-24T20:00:12 < aandrew> R2COM: because it depends on what you want and how good your negotiating skills are
2016-11-24T20:00:14 < zyp> altium has this subscription thing where you get updates and access to shit like public vaults
2016-11-24T20:00:33 < ReadErr> or the rutracker version with russian medicine 
2016-11-24T20:00:42 < ReadErr> unlimited license 
2016-11-24T20:00:49 < zyp> if you stop paying, you keep your license for the latest version when your subscription expires
2016-11-24T20:01:40 < zyp> idk if that's an option
2016-11-24T20:02:13 < zyp> why? what's wrong with orcad?
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2016-11-24T20:08:31 < aandrew> R2COM: AFAIK there is no perpetual access to vault/support. 
2016-11-24T20:08:48 < ReadErr> is vault even useful?
2016-11-24T20:08:59 < ReadErr> or is it all obscure FPGA trash
2016-11-24T20:09:16 < aandrew> e.g. you pay your $3k/year to get unlimited access to vault/support/new versions during that year. If you choose not to pay, you get to keep that version but you do not get updates/support and your login to the online vault is gone (which means you better create integrated libraries of any designs using vault components before it expires)
2016-11-24T20:09:32 < aandrew> vault has LOTS of components in it, but no, it's absolutely NOT required
2016-11-24T20:09:33 < ReadErr> can you rip the vaults?
2016-11-24T20:09:40 < aandrew> ReadErr: not that I'm aware of, but no need
2016-11-24T20:09:58 < ReadErr> no need assuming legit license 
2016-11-24T20:10:00 < aandrew> I have PCB LIbraries Expert and use their POD (part on demand) for any outlines I'm too lazy to make myself
2016-11-24T20:10:08 < aandrew> no, there's no need for the vaults at all
2016-11-24T20:10:15 < ReadErr> right, ive done everything myself 
2016-11-24T20:10:16 < aandrew> the vaults just give you a shortcut to component libraries
2016-11-24T20:10:28 < ReadErr> but not had the luxury of vault
2016-11-24T20:10:43 < ReadErr> dongs always said, if you want to fuck something up, atleast do it yourself
2016-11-24T20:10:54 < aandrew> I'd like to eventually do database-backend libraries for my own stuff, just no time
2016-11-24T20:10:58 < aandrew> haha
2016-11-24T20:11:06 < aandrew> I'm gonna print that out and put it on my wall
2016-11-24T20:11:10 < aandrew> that's great
2016-11-24T20:11:19 < ReadErr> lol 
2016-11-24T20:11:22 < aandrew> dongs for prez
2016-11-24T20:11:34 < aandrew> LeelooMinai can be his running mate
2016-11-24T20:11:40 < aandrew> make #stm32 great again!
2016-11-24T20:11:43 < ReadErr> awww adorable combo
2016-11-24T20:11:48 < ReadErr> like salt n pepper 
2016-11-24T20:12:06 < ReadErr> ebony and ivory 
2016-11-24T20:12:23 < ReadErr> R2COM: dont care too much 
2016-11-24T20:12:29 < aandrew> the interaction is awesome. like an old married couple where he has grown bitter and resentful and she's just not giving a shit anymore, so it's all "that's nice, dear" and completely ignoring/undermining his arguments
2016-11-24T20:12:43 < ReadErr> yes I cried so hard
2016-11-24T20:12:54 < ReadErr> I ran out of tears
2016-11-24T20:13:12 < ReadErr> I know, I just told you I did
2016-11-24T20:13:43 < ReadErr> I need to go sacrifice some babies to gain extra mana
2016-11-24T20:13:55 < ReadErr> or w/e pizzagate
2016-11-24T20:16:18 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01G5YFF7W/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=
2016-11-24T20:16:27 < ReadErr> trying to decide to pull the trigger or wait til tomorrow
2016-11-24T20:16:50 < aandrew> ... wifi enabled?
2016-11-24T20:17:24 < ReadErr> yea 
2016-11-24T20:17:35 < ReadErr> probably some arduino esp thing
2016-11-24T20:17:36 < aandrew> I've never used a pellet grill before, interesting
2016-11-24T20:17:38 < ReadErr> but it works 
2016-11-24T20:17:47 < ReadErr> bunch of people I know have them and love it
2016-11-24T20:18:16 < ReadErr> normal price is 399, sale price ends today (349)
2016-11-24T20:18:24 < ReadErr> not sure if going to be better for blackfriday or not
2016-11-24T20:19:34 < ReadErr> you can just set the meat temp or grill temp
2016-11-24T20:19:38 < ReadErr> and it handles the rest
2016-11-24T20:27:01 < Laurenceb> anyone for "Cheese Pizza"  ?
2016-11-24T20:27:26 < Laurenceb> I've got a "map" on my "handkerchief"
2016-11-24T20:30:48 < ReadErr> ive not followed
2016-11-24T20:30:51 < ReadErr> wtf is pizzagate
2016-11-24T20:30:54 < ReadErr> the tl;dr
2016-11-24T20:36:21 < ReadErr> grill ordered
2016-11-24T20:36:26 < Laurenceb> ^lol
2016-11-24T20:36:32 < Laurenceb> pizza grill amarite?
2016-11-24T20:37:01 < Laurenceb> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cheese%20pizza
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2016-11-24T20:37:48 < ReadErr> o
2016-11-24T20:37:59 < ReadErr> map?
2016-11-24T20:38:28 < Laurenceb> nobody knows...
2016-11-24T20:38:47 < Laurenceb> map to find the pizza on a handkerchief sounds weird tho
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2016-11-24T20:39:40 < aandrew> oh it's definitely coded, but what they're describing is entirely unknown and that's where the conspiracy theories fly
2016-11-24T20:39:59 < Laurenceb> only Assange can help us now
2016-11-24T20:40:12 < ReadErr> hes dead right?
2016-11-24T20:40:17 < ReadErr> or has he shown himself
2016-11-24T20:40:19 < Laurenceb> lulprobably
2016-11-24T20:40:32 < Laurenceb> I'm tempted to sip wire through the window with livefeed
2016-11-24T20:40:38 < Laurenceb> for internet infamy
2016-11-24T20:41:04 < ReadErr> how far away are you
2016-11-24T20:41:08 < Laurenceb> but if he's dead you don't collect the crowdsourced prize money :(
2016-11-24T20:41:15 < Laurenceb> like 1hour on train
2016-11-24T20:41:33 < ReadErr> launch a raccoon at the window
2016-11-24T20:41:41 < ReadErr> with a ballon 
2016-11-24T20:41:54 < Laurenceb> a practical and obvious solution
2016-11-24T20:42:05 < ReadErr> #arduino #lunix
2016-11-24T20:42:37 < ReadErr> but yes you should
2016-11-24T20:42:58 < Laurenceb> but no money if hes not there
2016-11-24T20:43:01 < Laurenceb> so no point
2016-11-24T20:43:21 < ReadErr> but if hes not there, thats a bigger story
2016-11-24T20:43:32 < ReadErr> think about all the wizardcred you will get
2016-11-24T20:44:01 < Laurenceb> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MYR0Pw9LfUQ
2016-11-24T20:44:19 < aandrew> < ReadErr> launch a raccoon at the window
2016-11-24T20:44:20 < aandrew> < Laurenceb> a practical and obvious solution
2016-11-24T20:44:21 < aandrew> haha
2016-11-24T20:45:22 < ReadErr> I dont get it, it would be easy for him to prove hes alive
2016-11-24T20:45:24 < ReadErr> why wont they
2016-11-24T20:45:26 < Laurenceb> https://twitter.com/EmbassyCat/status/801846774059114496
2016-11-24T20:45:29 < Laurenceb> this is weird
2016-11-24T20:45:48 < Laurenceb> like the sort of shit CIA/whatever would come out with
2016-11-24T20:46:15 < ReadErr> some guy on efnet said "Schrödinger's cat" theory
2016-11-24T20:46:18 < ReadErr> w/e the fuck that means
2016-11-24T20:46:53 < ohsix> my anus is bleeding
2016-11-24T20:47:03 < ReadErr> easy now flyback 
2016-11-24T20:47:05 < ohsix> ReadErr: haha
2016-11-24T20:47:05 < Laurenceb> those guys are too autistic for their own good and like overcomplex gimmicks
2016-11-24T20:47:14 < Laurenceb> see mossad assassins
2016-11-24T20:47:20 < ohsix> ReadErr: schroedinger is an o g troll
2016-11-24T20:47:34 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_interpretation
2016-11-24T20:47:37 < ReadErr> it seemed too out there for me, closed tab
2016-11-24T20:47:42 < ReadErr> didnt look into it
2016-11-24T20:48:09 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen_interpretation#Consequences
2016-11-24T20:48:14 < ohsix> cheat code
2016-11-24T20:48:26 < Laurenceb> reeee
2016-11-24T20:48:31 < Laurenceb> no exif in that image
2016-11-24T20:49:11 < BrainDamage> the good thing about interpretations is that you don'tneed to give a fuck about them
2016-11-24T20:49:11 < ohsix> Q E D, a cat being dead and alive is silly
2016-11-24T20:49:42 < BrainDamage> what's matter is the math behind the models, that shit is extra fluff
2016-11-24T20:50:31 < BrainDamage> what matters is the mapping between observables and the model
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2016-11-24T20:51:20 < ohsix> dunno, man; just addressing how casually people talk about a half dead cat
2016-11-24T20:51:26 < ohsix> it was a joke
2016-11-24T20:51:46 < ReadErr> Laurenceb: what are the chans saying
2016-11-24T20:52:00 < Laurenceb> dunno
2016-11-24T20:52:05 < ohsix> Laurenceb reads the chans like MIB reads the tabloids?
2016-11-24T20:52:09 < Laurenceb> lol I'm not that much of a channer
2016-11-24T20:52:17 < ReadErr> bullshit
2016-11-24T20:53:02 < BrainDamage> so you just waste a crapload of time on them, but aren't well informed on what goes on?
2016-11-24T20:53:14 < Laurenceb> http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/99103151
2016-11-24T20:54:13 < ohsix> i don't think you can waste enough time to figure out what is going on
2016-11-24T20:54:27 < ohsix> think about one person shitposting and how you deal with that, then make it everyone
2016-11-24T20:55:44 < ohsix> saying that made me think of something though, if people were using it as a source of information. you don't know if there are even multiple people speaking, or if they're all just talking to themselves. even more than likely / closer to certain since anyone can do it without bots to get hundreds of accounts like you'd need to do someplace you register
2016-11-24T20:55:55 < ohsix> ReadErr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAyCl4IHIz8
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2016-11-24T20:57:35 < Laurenceb> http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1479464209021.png
2016-11-24T20:58:19 < BrainDamage> it's nothing new, people sock puppeting to promote poducts or sway the public opinion is nothing new, iirc there's few documented cases for the *chan stuff
2016-11-24T20:58:41 < Laurenceb> its only there for the lulz, no useful info to be found
2016-11-24T20:58:42 < BrainDamage> and there's entire companies whos business is doing so
2016-11-24T20:58:49 < ohsix> yea, it was all the rage on wikipedia retorts years ago, even when there wasn't much proof it was happening
2016-11-24T20:59:26 < ohsix> the cost to do so on a place that doesn't have a poster id of some sort is zero, maybe even negative cuz people can just respond differently without any effort
2016-11-24T20:59:51 < ohsix> and that's just a bit closer to weird creepy shit a person with some actual mental illness could spend their entire life doing
2016-11-24T21:00:01 < ohsix> not just a motiviated tampon dickshit
2016-11-24T21:02:44 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyCf30nXcAEAM_J.jpg lul, reality delivered via video game unpalatable
2016-11-24T21:03:11 < Laurenceb> top kek
2016-11-24T21:03:38 < ohsix> philomena cunk xmas special
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2016-11-24T21:05:32 < ohsix> i got up early for some shit and the other dude is like 'well, how about noon'
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2016-11-24T21:07:58 < ohsix> how are you different from dongs now
2016-11-24T21:08:08 < ohsix> you say you hate him but you seemed to pick up exactly what he does, to you even
2016-11-24T21:08:13 < ohsix> are you gaslighting yourself?
2016-11-24T21:08:26 < ohsix> yes
2016-11-24T21:08:39 < ohsix> are you seriously going to draw the line at jew/faggot
2016-11-24T21:09:06 < ohsix> instead of 'i saw dongs doing a thing what an x', or 'leeloo the x is talking again'
2016-11-24T21:09:19 < ohsix> you're focusing on the wrong place, you dont' just not call them a faggot, or dongs not call you a man
2016-11-24T21:09:26 < ohsix> YOU DON'T EVEN DO IT AT ALL
2016-11-24T21:09:28 < ohsix> get it?
2016-11-24T21:09:52 < ohsix> in this case, you did the same thing dongs did, but you called me an alien, doing an alien broadcast instead of autistic
2016-11-24T21:10:00 < ohsix> and instead of dongs calling you a man or transsexual
2016-11-24T21:10:03 < ohsix> k
2016-11-24T21:10:12 < ohsix> you say you hate dongs but you're really projecting here
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2016-11-24T21:11:12 < ohsix> just call me a faggot and move on
2016-11-24T21:11:15 < ohsix> or autistic
2016-11-24T21:11:21 < ohsix> not 'cluseless' or 'lien'
2016-11-24T21:11:27 < ohsix> +an alien
2016-11-24T21:11:30 < ohsix> get it?
2016-11-24T21:12:12 < ohsix> in other news, oof, newbie billing myself with a time tracker; cuz i'm a contractor and wasn't literally working on the same thing every second. everyone else in the buildign just bills while they're there, i whiffed on half of my pay by being a nerd about it
2016-11-24T21:12:39 < ohsix> howru BrainDamage 
2016-11-24T21:15:15 < ohsix> dropbox is highly annoying
2016-11-24T21:15:30 < ohsix> the way we're using it makes it worse
2016-11-24T21:16:13 < ohsix> it beeps every time there's a change, so people dont' even really look at what the change is. then people post-facto say 'it was on dropbox' like you weren't ignorign all that noise
2016-11-24T21:17:12 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: one sad thing is that we're both here for thanksgiving and everyone else is gone
2016-11-24T21:17:36 < ohsix> boxing day
2016-11-24T21:17:46 < ohsix> nevermind
2016-11-24T21:18:03 < ohsix> good joke
2016-11-24T21:18:26 < ohsix> there's probably a better one about how i don't know canadian holidays well enough
2016-11-24T21:19:17 < ohsix> there are people that shoot other people and get shot, not a very respectful simile
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2016-11-24T21:23:40 < ohsix> eh?
2016-11-24T21:24:06 < ohsix> oh, you're actually responding to what i said a few lines ago? haha, ok; that's new, yea i agree
2016-11-24T21:24:08 < ohsix> yes
2016-11-24T21:24:55 < ohsix> i've been telling people i don't even get the holidays and nobody that's even pro- november/december rituals has offered to tell me any, _any_ reasons that i should
2016-11-24T21:25:01 < Rob235> im here! :)
2016-11-24T21:25:10 < ohsix> giving gifts and seeing family is ok but i do that all year
2016-11-24T21:25:31 < ohsix> hi rob
2016-11-24T21:25:37 < Rob235> hey
2016-11-24T21:26:14 < Rob235> just spending the day with my gf, not sure if we are stopping by her parents place later
2016-11-24T21:26:42 < ohsix> the holidays are an excuse for people to waste a ton of money in the 4th quarter
2016-11-24T21:26:56 < ohsix> balance all them corporate bookz
2016-11-24T21:27:06 < Rob235> LeelooMinai: was that a joke or a real comment
2016-11-24T21:27:56 < Rob235> :)
2016-11-24T21:28:33 < ohsix> heh heh 'drop one'
2016-11-24T21:28:41 < ohsix> a joke about shit
2016-11-24T21:29:13 < ohsix> 👍
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2016-11-24T21:29:59 < ohsix_> 👍
2016-11-24T21:30:01 < ohsix> 👍
2016-11-24T21:30:05 < ohsix_> hm weird
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2016-11-24T21:30:20 < ohsix> screen is a pain in my ass
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2016-11-24T21:31:57 < ohsix> the new character map thing in gnome3 is useless, you can tell they tried to organize stuff so you can use it for emoji and stuff, but the categorization is synthetic and functionally useless, you stillc an't find anything
2016-11-24T21:32:08 < ohsix> ✊ this is the jerking off emoticon
2016-11-24T21:32:32 < ohsix> 🂡
2016-11-24T21:32:48 < ohsix> heheheh the glyphs are sorted so the ace of spades is up first
2016-11-24T21:33:10 < ohsix> k that's enough, gotta be gone in a half hour, bbl
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2016-11-24T22:08:44 < Ecco> so guys, according to you, which is the cheapest, most widely available microsd connector?
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2016-11-24T22:10:01 < ReadErr> didnt you axe this yesterday
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2016-11-24T22:10:10 < ReadErr> and the cheapest was soldering to pcb
2016-11-24T22:10:22 < Ecco> Yeah I asked already
2016-11-24T22:10:24 < ReadErr> prices change all the time
2016-11-24T22:10:28 < Ecco> but I'm really looking for a connector
2016-11-24T22:10:29 < ReadErr> just pick something 
2016-11-24T22:10:53 < ReadErr> dont worry about saving .15cents if you arent building 30k of them
2016-11-24T22:11:09 < Ecco> Actually, I don't even want to provide one
2016-11-24T22:11:11 < Ecco> just a footprint
2016-11-24T22:11:24 < Ecco> so I may as well use something widely available
2016-11-24T22:12:13 < ReadErr> the footprints change based on the connector
2016-11-24T22:12:30 < ReadErr> atleast the outside pads will prolly vary 
2016-11-24T22:12:33 < ReadErr> and switch pads
2016-11-24T22:13:00 < Ecco> yeah which is why I need to pick a connector :)
2016-11-24T22:13:25 < ReadErr> yea so just pick one lol you can look at ali or digikey just as well as anyone else
2016-11-24T22:13:30 < Ecco> indeed
2016-11-24T22:13:52 < ReadErr> molex
2016-11-24T22:13:55 < ReadErr> start there
2016-11-24T22:14:00 < Ecco> yeah, I picked this one :
2016-11-24T22:14:01 < ReadErr> big brand, should be avail for a while
2016-11-24T22:14:06 < Ecco> 47219-2001
2016-11-24T22:14:10 < Ecco> Good idea
2016-11-24T22:14:16 < Ecco> ok great thanks
2016-11-24T22:15:02 < ReadErr> no card detect switch
2016-11-24T22:15:07 < Ecco> Is that a big deal?
2016-11-24T22:15:08 < ReadErr> may or may not be useful for u
2016-11-24T22:15:25 < Ecco> I never really understood the point of this switch by the way
2016-11-24T22:15:38 < Ecco> can't you just try to initialize the card?
2016-11-24T22:16:14 < Ecco> Also, can I power a microsd from an STM32 GPIO or do I need a P-MOSFET?
2016-11-24T22:16:15 < ReadErr> if you share the bus or something
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2016-11-24T22:16:43 < Ecco> makes sense, thanks
2016-11-24T22:17:05 < ReadErr> normally you just hook it up to vcc
2016-11-24T22:17:15 < Ecco> yeah but then the card is always on
2016-11-24T22:17:21 < Ecco> so always drawing current
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2016-11-24T22:17:32 < Ecco> plus I've heard that if the card "crashes" you just cannot reset it
2016-11-24T22:17:38 < Ecco> (and apparently it happens)
2016-11-24T22:27:07 < PaulFertser> Probably he'll become a famous cyber-sportsman? ;)
2016-11-24T22:27:12 < Steffanx> he also needs the gpu to do the 2560x1440
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2016-11-24T22:27:26 < Steffanx> and the gpu to do 144hz probably.
2016-11-24T22:28:17 < sync> a 1060 is not overpowered a lot
2016-11-24T22:28:19 < ReadErr> its noticeable 
2016-11-24T22:28:28 < ReadErr> you can see it even while scrolling text
2016-11-24T22:30:39 < Steffanx> not even some 1080... so not a real gamer kid
2016-11-24T22:30:44 < Steffanx> or not enough money
2016-11-24T22:31:06 < BrainDamage> there is some sense
2016-11-24T22:31:40 < Steffanx> Sure, but .. it's not the fastest atm. Real gamer kids need that.
2016-11-24T22:31:41 < BrainDamage> it has to do with eye saccadic movement and the modulation with the screen refresh
2016-11-24T22:33:45 < ReadErr> that 60hz thing is a lie
2016-11-24T22:33:49 < BrainDamage> basically if there's moving shit and you're moving your eyes you can see the effect of blinking stuff
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2016-11-24T22:33:59 < ReadErr> you can see faster 
2016-11-24T22:34:21 < ReadErr> or notice framerate differences anyways
2016-11-24T22:34:45 < BrainDamage> just pwm a led at few hundred Hz and saccade your eyes and every now and then you'll see a disturbance in periferial vision
2016-11-24T22:35:10 < BrainDamage> since "pro gamerzzz" rely on reflexes, the misdetection can cost you
2016-11-24T22:35:19 < ReadErr> 30hz 4k is the worst, running that before getting the gfx drivers setup
2016-11-24T22:37:47 < BrainDamage> it boils to what games he plans to play
2016-11-24T22:37:52 < Steffanx> minecraft.
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2016-11-24T23:04:15 < Ecco> Last time I looked it was not only about Hz but also latency
2016-11-24T23:04:52 < Ecco> which is really important for FPS
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2016-11-24T23:10:55 < Ecco> Well, hopefully that'll drive away from Doom towards Vim :-D
2016-11-24T23:11:01 < Ecco> *him
2016-11-24T23:15:36 < ReadErr>  introduce him to 4chan
2016-11-24T23:18:25 < ReadErr> https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-2-5-Inch-Internal-MZ-75E1T0B-AM/dp/B00OBRFFAS/
2016-11-24T23:18:27 < ReadErr> tempting
2016-11-24T23:18:34 < ReadErr> but I dont need a 1TB ssd ;/
2016-11-24T23:20:17 < ReadErr> i use a 250 nvme one for my boot
2016-11-24T23:20:27 < ReadErr> barely use any of that
2016-11-24T23:20:49 < kakimir> who does really need 1TB SSD
2016-11-24T23:21:59 < ReadErr> maybe hardcore laptop people 
2016-11-24T23:22:08 < ReadErr> w/ space for only 1 disk
2016-11-24T23:24:04 < kakimir> 1TB video project would be proper reason
2016-11-24T23:24:09 < englishman> ReadErr: get dat grille
2016-11-24T23:24:15 < kakimir> 1TB isn't even that much
2016-11-24T23:24:16 < ReadErr> ya i gots it
2016-11-24T23:24:24 < kakimir> when it's filmed in 4K
2016-11-24T23:24:26 < ReadErr> u have one?
2016-11-24T23:24:59 < kakimir> I think they rather use stacks of external drives
2016-11-24T23:25:14 < kakimir> or even network drives
2016-11-24T23:25:36 < sync> kakimir: 1T is about the minimum I'd get nowadays
2016-11-24T23:25:57 < kakimir> for ssd or generally storage amount per unit?
2016-11-24T23:28:00 < sync> for ssds
2016-11-24T23:28:27 < sync> nah
2016-11-24T23:28:45 < ReadErr> englishman: u got one??
2016-11-24T23:28:45 < englishman> ReadErr: no but pellet grills are gr8
2016-11-24T23:28:48 < ReadErr> oh
2016-11-24T23:28:54 < ReadErr> ya seems easiest 
2016-11-24T23:28:59 < ReadErr> autolight and all
2016-11-24T23:29:02 < englishman> and i heard of that brand
2016-11-24T23:29:08 < englishman> they have an app or something on $$ models
2016-11-24T23:29:18 < ReadErr> the cheap model has the app
2016-11-24T23:29:22 < ReadErr> w/ dual temp thing
2016-11-24T23:29:28 < englishman> nice
2016-11-24T23:29:28 < ReadErr> wifi control
2016-11-24T23:29:39 < ReadErr> creyc has one
2016-11-24T23:29:39 < englishman> get wid justin
2016-11-24T23:29:44 < ReadErr> justin too
2016-11-24T23:29:46 < ReadErr> and pimpind
2016-11-24T23:29:49 < englishman> haha
2016-11-24T23:29:57 < ReadErr> justin and pimpind got the medium size tho
2016-11-24T23:30:23 < englishman> now you can meat like a pro
2016-11-24T23:30:37 < ReadErr> i need a sous vide 
2016-11-24T23:30:42 < englishman> ugh
2016-11-24T23:30:43 < englishman> no
2016-11-24T23:30:44 < englishman> fuck that
2016-11-24T23:30:44 < ReadErr> i heard pros use them
2016-11-24T23:30:46 < englishman> boilinbag
2016-11-24T23:30:48 < englishman> military food
2016-11-24T23:30:55 < englishman> wifeishman is doing that
2016-11-24T23:30:56 < englishman> i hate it
2016-11-24T23:31:23 < englishman> nothing good to eat ever came in a sealed baggie
2016-11-24T23:31:44 < ReadErr> ya i dont like undercooked looking meat anyways
2016-11-24T23:31:56 < ReadErr> even if its 'safe'
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2016-11-25T00:42:24 < ReadErr> https://www.lowes.com/pd/Werner-17-ft-Aluminum-300-lb-Telescoping-Type-IA-Multi-Position-Ladder/50398354
2016-11-25T00:42:30 < ReadErr> my best blackfriday score, $79
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2016-11-25T00:49:21 < ReadErr> well I needed one like this so it worked out
2016-11-25T00:49:46 < ReadErr> gutters need cleanin 
2016-11-25T00:51:08 < ReadErr> yea the one I have now is the /\ kind
2016-11-25T00:51:17 < ReadErr> but not very tall
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2016-11-25T01:02:32 < ohsix> lul the android imgur got a facelift and is super wank
2016-11-25T01:03:01 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/o3mZWUk.jpg any altium nerds want these old books? they're headed to the bin
2016-11-25T01:08:04 < aandrew> lol hardcopy altium books
2016-11-25T01:08:37 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-25T01:08:55 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2016-11-25T01:08:56 < Laurenceb_> http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/563846/twitter-child-sex-porn-ring-pizzagate-gamer-leaks-thousands-of-social-media-accounts
2016-11-25T01:09:01 < Laurenceb_> I want off the wild ride
2016-11-25T01:11:05 < ReadErr> lol todd looks like a total pedo 
2016-11-25T01:12:25 < ReadErr> also fuck sites that autoplay shit
2016-11-25T01:12:30 < ReadErr> should be illegal
2016-11-25T01:13:01 < Laurenceb_> LeelooMinai: I found your selfies  https://i.redd.it/7qpeehzwoywx.jpg
2016-11-25T01:15:23 < ReadErr> ur links suck Laurenceb_ 
2016-11-25T01:15:26 < ReadErr> whats the tl;dr
2016-11-25T01:15:37 < ReadErr> cuz they have nothing to do with the url 
2016-11-25T01:15:42 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/W6kh2m.png
2016-11-25T01:16:38 < Laurenceb_> cannot unsee
2016-11-25T01:16:45 < Laurenceb_> eyebleach.jpg
2016-11-25T01:19:46  * Laurenceb_ is reading about wifibroadcast
2016-11-25T01:19:50 < Laurenceb_> this shit is epic
2016-11-25T01:20:05 < karlp> old......
2016-11-25T01:20:12 < karlp> fuck man, where have you been you slacker
2016-11-25T01:20:51 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-11-25T01:20:52 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLJq4hLOm1U
2016-11-25T01:21:07 < Laurenceb_> zano utterly BTFO
2016-11-25T01:23:22 < Laurenceb_> hmm someone came up with a suggestion about Assange that makes sense
2016-11-25T01:23:45 < Laurenceb_> Ecuador told him he can't talk to people or have any electronic devices or they will throw him out
2016-11-25T01:23:54 < Laurenceb_> and they are vetting all his contacts
2016-11-25T01:24:10 < ReadErr> the efnet people raised an idea
2016-11-25T01:24:17 < Laurenceb_> seems most sane suggestion
2016-11-25T01:24:20 < ReadErr> they have a court ordered gag
2016-11-25T01:24:33 < ReadErr> the riseup canary hasn't been updated
2016-11-25T01:24:49 < ReadErr> https://twitter.com/riseupnet/status/800815181190217729
2016-11-25T01:24:55 < ReadErr> i duno what riseup is
2016-11-25T01:25:00 < ReadErr> didnt look into it
2016-11-25T01:25:08 < Laurenceb_> the autism rebellion amirite
2016-11-25T01:25:16 < ReadErr> hell if i know
2016-11-25T01:25:51  * Laurenceb_ is pissed cuz he's been assembling cables all day
2016-11-25T01:25:54 < Laurenceb_> funtimes
2016-11-25T01:26:04 < ReadErr> https://twitter.com/riseupnet/status/797142735283257345
2016-11-25T01:26:11 < ReadErr> something about this 
2016-11-25T01:26:21 < Laurenceb_> 1.7mm OD and 1.8mm OD cable inside 3.2mm ID tube
2016-11-25T01:26:24 < Laurenceb_> see a problem here...
2016-11-25T01:26:39 < ReadErr> ya ur math sucks
2016-11-25T01:27:16 < Laurenceb_> lots of soap required for each 3m length :S
2016-11-25T01:27:22 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_: https://i.sli.mg/Z110Xk.gif
2016-11-25T01:27:46 < Laurenceb_> ur going to hell for that
2016-11-25T01:28:04 < ReadErr> i will see u there
2016-11-25T01:28:15 < BrainDamage> warrant canaries have dubious legal validity
2016-11-25T01:28:31 < ReadErr> BrainDamage: in what regard
2016-11-25T01:28:45 < BrainDamage> it's entirely possible gag orders include forcing them to keep them up
2016-11-25T01:28:51 < ReadErr> that hummingbird shit is just odd
2016-11-25T01:29:03 < ReadErr> "dont listen to me"
2016-11-25T01:29:07 < Laurenceb_> https://twitter.com/infinitechan/status/801627024431271936
2016-11-25T01:29:22 < BrainDamage> because removing them might be considered as violation of the terms
2016-11-25T01:29:56 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: I'm kind of upset that neither you nor dongs had anything to say about my proposal of a dongs/leeloo presidency
2016-11-25T01:30:03 < BrainDamage> moreover, they are kind of silly because all it takes for them to be blown once, and you'd never be able to know for future requests since they are formulated in abs terms
2016-11-25T01:30:34 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: sssh
2016-11-25T01:30:38 < aandrew> he's in a natto coma
2016-11-25T01:31:56 < BrainDamage> all an hostile entity would have to do is to force them to request some irrelevant shit, easy to force for, and then they'd either have to lie and keep the canary up, or remove it
2016-11-25T01:32:27 < ReadErr> BrainDamage: well if they took things over
2016-11-25T01:32:38 < ReadErr> like seized the server and accounts they could
2016-11-25T01:32:50 < ReadErr> they couldnt generate a valid canary 
2016-11-25T01:32:50 < BrainDamage> then they have the authority to keep the farce up
2016-11-25T01:33:11 < BrainDamage> why not,they are allowed to lie, this isn't hollywood
2016-11-25T01:33:17 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2016-11-25T01:33:19 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/UdGxo8s.png
2016-11-25T01:33:20 < ReadErr> cuz some nerd has the shit saved
2016-11-25T01:33:24 < ReadErr> and will check
2016-11-25T01:33:25 < Laurenceb_> we're going full CSI
2016-11-25T01:33:42 < Laurenceb_>  *x-files music starts*
2016-11-25T01:34:11 < aandrew> "invalid canary" is going to be the name of my next album
2016-11-25T01:34:12 < Laurenceb_> also .. is that hitler?
2016-11-25T01:34:43 < ReadErr> ohhhh ya Laurenceb_ 
2016-11-25T01:34:45 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApG1XdI-Dd4
2016-11-25T01:34:47 < aandrew> ENHANCE
2016-11-25T01:34:51 < ReadErr> i duno about this but its creepy as fuck
2016-11-25T01:35:03 < BrainDamage> ReadErr: you have faith that tribunals can't force people to lie,which is wrong
2016-11-25T01:35:12 < ReadErr> BrainDamage: ?
2016-11-25T01:35:18 < Laurenceb_> COMPUTER: ENHANCE
2016-11-25T01:35:25 < ReadErr> im saying in the instance of this riseup trash
2016-11-25T01:35:33 < ReadErr> some nerd noticed they hadnt updated it
2016-11-25T01:35:38 < ReadErr> thats how it was posted on irc
2016-11-25T01:36:14 < Laurenceb_> holy shit
2016-11-25T01:36:17 < BrainDamage> yes, and the presence or not is irrelevant, even if smeone noted, it doesn't imply that it was violated
2016-11-25T01:36:25 < Laurenceb_> didn't realise they merged in the middle of sentences
2016-11-25T01:36:30 < BrainDamage> it simply implies tha wasn't updated
2016-11-25T01:36:31 < Laurenceb_> thats spooky as fuck
2016-11-25T01:36:59 < BrainDamage> moreover, the presence of a canary doesn't guarantee that they weren't gagged to put one up as bold faced lie
2016-11-25T01:37:16 < BrainDamage> therefore, any concusion is just mental masturbation
2016-11-25T01:37:25 < BrainDamage> and they are useless as fuck
2016-11-25T01:38:00 < BrainDamage> damn, i should stop osixing
2016-11-25T01:38:05 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_: yea didnt sit right with me
2016-11-25T01:38:11 < ReadErr> kinda gave me the willies
2016-11-25T01:38:19 < Laurenceb_> well just the cat thing confused me
2016-11-25T01:38:43 < Laurenceb_> spy agencies go ott with gimmicks cuz they are autists at heart
2016-11-25T01:38:48 < aandrew> well the whole point of a canary clause is to regularly update it
2016-11-25T01:39:04 < aandrew> failing to update it is a sign that a gag order was issued
2016-11-25T01:39:18 < ReadErr> thats what I figured aandrew 
2016-11-25T01:39:22 < Laurenceb_> like this business
2016-11-25T01:39:23 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annecy_shootings
2016-11-25T01:39:29 < Laurenceb_> I used to work with that guy O_o
2016-11-25T01:39:35 < aandrew> IIRC under US law they can force you to keep quiet but they can't force you to lie
2016-11-25T01:39:35 < ReadErr> if they didnt have a gag order or compromised, why not update it?
2016-11-25T01:39:46 < aandrew> but IANAL. hell IANEA (not even american)
2016-11-25T01:39:47 < ReadErr> instead they are tweeting 'everythings cool, man'
2016-11-25T01:39:56 < Laurenceb_> shooter had weird helmet
2016-11-25T01:40:44 < Laurenceb_> http://images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/78/590x/secondary/93802.jpg
2016-11-25T01:41:36 < Laurenceb_> gimmick helmet == spook confirmed
2016-11-25T01:41:46 < ReadErr> https://github.com/riseupnet/riseup_help/commit/8a8c98e0aaa635130a899c1980569f34633d159d
2016-11-25T01:42:03 < Laurenceb_> probably mossad
2016-11-25T01:42:13 < Laurenceb_> they like to kill people in batshit ways
2016-11-25T01:42:54 < Laurenceb_> I was pretty crazed up at the time, I used to work with the guy
2016-11-25T01:43:08 < Laurenceb_> never knew of him working on anything dodgy, but obviously he was
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2016-11-25T02:20:53 < Thorn> I hate you
2016-11-25T02:21:20 < Thorn> why nobody told me that 3.3v zeners have such a soft knee
2016-11-25T02:21:49 < Thorn> I may now have to turn it around and use as a 0.65v reference
2016-11-25T02:21:59 < Thorn> and I already ordered the boards
2016-11-25T02:22:08 < stvn> ok
2016-11-25T02:26:13 < stvn> but where is englishman 
2016-11-25T02:38:26 < Laurenceb__> http://i.imgur.com/Gba14iX.gif
2016-11-25T02:38:27 < Laurenceb__> my sides
2016-11-25T02:39:49 < Laurenceb__> no I'm in England
2016-11-25T02:39:49 < stvn> hi Laurenceb__ 
2016-11-25T02:39:56 < Laurenceb__> englishman is in cucknada
2016-11-25T02:40:06 < stvn> ^
2016-11-25T02:40:42 < Laurenceb__> at rate england is going im in jail soon
2016-11-25T02:40:59 < stvn> cool
2016-11-25T02:41:04 < stvn> ill send you letters
2016-11-25T02:41:11 < Laurenceb__> illegal to insert more than 4 fingers into any bodily orifice
2016-11-25T02:41:14 < stvn> printed pages of 4ch and reddit
2016-11-25T02:42:03 < Laurenceb__> jail 4 life
2016-11-25T02:42:20 < stvn> stm32 4 life
2016-11-25T02:43:25 < Thorn> what if orifice is artificially made
2016-11-25T02:43:37 < Laurenceb__> lul
2016-11-25T02:43:52 < Thorn> every law has a loophole
2016-11-25T02:43:55 < Laurenceb__> getting born is a crime
2016-11-25T02:44:08 < Laurenceb__> every baby goes straight to jail
2016-11-25T02:44:50 < stvn> lol
2016-11-25T02:45:03 < Laurenceb__> nver saw this coming https://slashdot.org/story/16/11/24/2140229/faraday-futures-factory-construction-paused-shipping-timelines-at-risk
2016-11-25T02:46:35 < Laurenceb__> but emdrive is real
2016-11-25T02:47:07 < stvn> cool
2016-11-25T02:47:16 < stvn> so efficient too!
2016-11-25T02:47:27 < Laurenceb__> https://www.wired.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/spacegif22.gif
2016-11-25T02:47:36 < Laurenceb__> I see a slight issue even if it works
2016-11-25T02:47:42 < Laurenceb__> there is no attitude control
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2016-11-25T02:49:17 < Laurenceb__> so it tumbles and does nothing even with thrust
2016-11-25T02:59:44 < Thorn> is this reliable https://www.aliexpress.com/item/LED-strip-COB-light-surface-light-10-w-is-suitable-for-the-LED-desk-lamp/32558295011.html
2016-11-25T03:08:03 < stvn> Store:Ming Yuan Electrical Technology co., LTD
2016-11-25T03:08:19 < englishman> ReadErr: i have that ladder
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2016-11-25T03:08:23 < englishman> but i paid like $100cdn
2016-11-25T03:08:27 < englishman> regularprice
2016-11-25T03:08:32 < englishman> black friday'd
2016-11-25T03:08:48 < englishman> hello stvn
2016-11-25T03:08:51 < englishman> how is the kittens
2016-11-25T03:09:39 < Laurenceb__> TIL cats will eat kittens from other litters
2016-11-25T03:09:58 < Laurenceb__> omnomnom
2016-11-25T03:10:03 < ReadErr> 100cdn is how much americans
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2016-11-25T03:10:15 < ReadErr> 79 delivered with tax aint bad tho
2016-11-25T03:10:26 < stvn> englishman, good good, how about the grey cat
2016-11-25T03:10:28 < ReadErr> I found some shit for lowes
2016-11-25T03:10:35 < ReadErr> that generates the 15$ off 50 codes
2016-11-25T03:10:38 < ReadErr> pretty tits
2016-11-25T03:10:53 < englishman> stvn: grey cat drooled all over wifeishman while sleeping. and she was pissed
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2016-11-25T03:13:44 < Laurenceb__> wifeish
2016-11-25T03:13:50 < Laurenceb__> lul nice word
2016-11-25T03:14:50 < stvn> hheh
2016-11-25T03:17:58 < jadew> morning
2016-11-25T03:18:02 < jadew> ReadErr, what tits?
2016-11-25T03:18:27 < ReadErr> its tits
2016-11-25T03:18:47 < jadew> who's tits?
2016-11-25T03:19:04 < Rob235> my tits
2016-11-25T03:19:09 < ReadErr> ^
2016-11-25T03:19:15 < jadew> k, don't want to see them
2016-11-25T03:19:22 < ReadErr> they are quite nice
2016-11-25T03:19:26 < Rob235> heh
2016-11-25T03:19:29 < ReadErr> are you sure?
2016-11-25T03:19:42 < jadew> I have conflicting feelings
2016-11-25T03:20:22 < Rob235> tits for all!
2016-11-25T03:22:07 < ReadErr> they didnt eat and died
2016-11-25T03:22:22 < ReadErr> or toughed it out
2016-11-25T03:22:30 < jadew> LeelooMinai, they went to the witch doctor
2016-11-25T03:23:17 < jadew> well, in Rome they had actual dentists
2016-11-25T03:23:32 < jadew> that had tools with which to pull bad teeth
2016-11-25T03:24:12 < jadew> but let's say you didn't have access to a dentist
2016-11-25T03:24:13 < stvn> a dirty rotten stiff
2016-11-25T03:24:20 < jadew> I know what I did when that happened to me
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2016-11-25T03:25:22 < jadew> I put my head in the pillow and lived helplessly through the pain
2016-11-25T03:25:35 < Rob235> cast away
2016-11-25T03:25:38 < Rob235> tom hanks
2016-11-25T03:25:45 < Rob235> dentists himself
2016-11-25T03:25:46 < stvn> stm32
2016-11-25T03:25:55 < jadew> Rob235, he had willson
2016-11-25T03:26:02 < Rob235> very true
2016-11-25T03:26:15 < jadew> LeelooMinai, not true
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2016-11-25T03:26:53 < jadew> oh, you already have an infection
2016-11-25T03:26:55 < jadew> that's why it hurts
2016-11-25T03:27:13 < jadew> the infection will either recess or it will make its way out from the root of the tooth
2016-11-25T03:27:20 < jadew> and in doing so it relieves pressure
2016-11-25T03:27:42 < jadew> yeah, I'm talking hypothetically too
2016-11-25T03:28:38 < jadew> I think the tooth will fall off sooner than that would happen
2016-11-25T03:29:01 < stvn> 32 bit greatests hits
2016-11-25T03:32:03 < jadew> how come?
2016-11-25T03:32:40 < jadew> you don't get an error?
2016-11-25T03:33:58 < stvn> is that the language of the devil LeelooMinai 
2016-11-25T03:34:35 < Laurenceb__> c++ doesnt agree with me
2016-11-25T03:34:38  * stvn hides in the church of c
2016-11-25T03:35:16 < jadew> LeelooMinai, you're accessing a private method from a class that doesn't have access to it
2016-11-25T03:35:29 < jadew> namely ForwardList::addAfter from Base
2016-11-25T03:35:56 < jadew> I don't know what the error means, but that's what I think it's wrong
2016-11-25T03:37:06 < jadew> make it all public first, to see if that's the issue
2016-11-25T03:38:55 < jadew> oh
2016-11-25T03:39:07 < jadew> try Base<Element, ForwardList<Element> >
2016-11-25T03:40:53 < jadew> and the access modifiers were not an issue?
2016-11-25T03:41:59 < jadew> cool
2016-11-25T03:43:08 < jadew> yeah, SFINAE
2016-11-25T03:43:12 < jadew> I use it too
2016-11-25T03:43:34 < jadew> it's part of the STL already :)
2016-11-25T03:43:50 < jadew> but yeah, I use it in moderation, only when what I'm doing can't be done otherwise
2016-11-25T03:43:57 < jadew> or if it impacts performance
2016-11-25T03:44:34 < jadew> hehe
2016-11-25T03:44:41 < jadew> it's a very powerful feature tho
2016-11-25T03:44:56 < jadew> but generates messy code (and messy patterns)
2016-11-25T03:45:05 < jadew> yeah, but sometimes it's just what you need
2016-11-25T03:45:31 < jadew> especially if you want the user code to be clean and easy and not have any performance trade offs
2016-11-25T03:46:08 < jadew> I would definitely want something like this available in the language by default, with some custom syntax
2016-11-25T03:46:15 < jadew> but I guess that's what we have at the moment
2016-11-25T03:46:18 < jadew> it works well
2016-11-25T03:47:53 < jadew> it's extremely useful when you want to specialize a template
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2016-11-25T03:51:08 < jadew> I think that if that results in better code/easier to use, why not?
2016-11-25T03:52:39 < jadew> I wouldn't worry about that, c++ is in good hands :)
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2016-11-25T03:54:34 < jadew> it's a very complex language tho, I agree with that
2016-11-25T03:54:57 < jadew> but only because it's so flexible and tries not to get in the way
2016-11-25T03:55:09 < jadew> heh
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2016-11-25T03:56:17 < jadew> haha
2016-11-25T03:56:44 < jadew> well, that is an issue, but how would you do it otherwise?
2016-11-25T03:57:55 < jadew> but you get those long errors regardless of how you use them
2016-11-25T03:59:06 < jadew> and they did hehe
2016-11-25T03:59:13 < jadew> take a look at spirit
2016-11-25T03:59:17 < jadew> boost::spirit
2016-11-25T04:00:09 < jadew> some things wouldn't be possible otherwise, and the error you're talking about it's just because it has to show you all the points where it failed and why
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2016-11-25T04:00:24 < duke-nukem> YOU'RE AN INSPIRATION FOR BIRTH CONTROL
2016-11-25T04:02:15 < jadew> yeah, it's definitely inconvenient, but you get used to it and if you don't want to have to deal with it, templates are optional :)
2016-11-25T04:03:15 < jadew> I'd like better errors too, but I don't know to what extent that's possible, and I don't want to get rid of templates, I like the functionality they offer
2016-11-25T04:04:00 < jadew> LeelooMinai, what sort of functionality?
2016-11-25T04:06:10 < jadew> come on... that stuff is great
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2016-11-25T04:07:05 < jadew> LeelooMinai, you can use that to generate very efficient code
2016-11-25T04:08:32 < jadew> LeelooMinai, yeah, but if those rank lower than efficiency, you do it
2016-11-25T04:09:53 < jadew> it's better than not having the snake at all
2016-11-25T04:11:39 < jadew> well, we can only hope that they'll keep adding features that will make some of this stuff less painful, but for now, I'm glad we have them
2016-11-25T04:11:58 < jadew> heh
2016-11-25T04:16:42 < stvn> ok
2016-11-25T04:17:10 < ReadErr> no
2016-11-25T04:17:12 < jadew> sorry, all this snake eating talk made me hungry so I went to get some sausages to eat
2016-11-25T04:17:47 < jadew> LeelooMinai, all that stuff that feels not-so-right, is actually enabling developers to make things that were not possible to make otherwise
2016-11-25T04:18:17 < stvn> dogs and cats
2016-11-25T04:18:17 < jadew> they basically allow us to reveal possibilities
2016-11-25T04:18:44 < jadew> and some things do end up in the standard
2016-11-25T04:18:47 < jadew> for example decltype
2016-11-25T04:20:02 < jadew> why has multiple inheritance failed?
2016-11-25T04:20:40 < Rickta59> i tend to use simple structures with c++ templates .. avoids all the private/public/protected stuff
2016-11-25T04:20:48 < dongs> leelooman cant have kids cuz hes got a dick
2016-11-25T04:20:54 < dongs> ^ multiple inheritance failed
2016-11-25T04:21:20 < jadew> LeelooMinai, all the reasons I've seen put forward were false
2016-11-25T04:21:46 < stvn> lol
2016-11-25T04:22:03 < jadew> very few
2016-11-25T04:22:37 < jadew> I made one that had it :D
2016-11-25T04:23:11 < jadew> that's not proof that it's bad, it's just proof that people don't understand it
2016-11-25T04:23:33 < jadew> I haven't found an alternative to multiple inheritance yet
2016-11-25T04:23:34 < Rickta59> http://www.stm32duino.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=303 ... some abuse of structures and classes to generate some nice small code
2016-11-25T04:23:42 < jadew> and I find it extremely limitting when it's not available
2016-11-25T04:24:14 < jadew> LeelooMinai, sure, you get that in C++ too
2016-11-25T04:24:19 < jadew> but that's not multiple inheritance
2016-11-25T04:24:34 < jadew> there's no diamond problem
2016-11-25T04:24:37 < jadew> we've been over this before
2016-11-25T04:24:42 < jadew> look up virtual inheritance
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2016-11-25T04:25:07 < jadew> also, the diamond problem comes up so rarely, it's not even a thing
2016-11-25T04:26:52 < jadew> I think languages that don't implement multiple inheritance, don't do it because of lazyness, because the designers are stupid or because they think their users are stupid
2016-11-25T04:27:24 < jadew> don't know
2016-11-25T04:27:36 < Rickta59> what is the beginning? CFront?
2016-11-25T04:28:48 < jadew> even if there was no solution to the diamond problem, I would still have wanted multiple inheritance
2016-11-25T04:29:30 < Rickta59> with c++ on an embedded chip I don't tend to ever free
2016-11-25T04:29:33 < ReadErr> did you make the list?
2016-11-25T04:30:01 < Rickta59> or use rtti
2016-11-25T04:30:02 < stvn> tits mcgee
2016-11-25T04:30:17 < jadew> LeelooMinai, but traits are not inheritance
2016-11-25T04:30:24 < jadew> they're used in c++ a lot too
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2016-11-25T04:31:13 < jadew> LeelooMinai, what do traits do in Rust?
2016-11-25T04:31:27 < stvn> wtf is rust
2016-11-25T04:31:44 < jadew> relatively new language
2016-11-25T04:32:02 < Rickta59> someones answer to i want to be the originator of a language
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2016-11-25T04:33:45 < Rickta59> doesn't that have a runtime vm?
2016-11-25T04:34:06 < Rickta59> maybe i'm confusing it with go
2016-11-25T04:34:54 < jadew> LeelooMinai, interesting, but I don't think I'm a fan of the result
2016-11-25T04:35:23 < jadew> well, you'll have String which has more methods than String in another file, isn't it?
2016-11-25T04:36:03 < jadew> sounds more like type augmentation
2016-11-25T04:36:54 < jadew> I'd prefer it if it had a different type altogether
2016-11-25T04:37:08 < jadew> so traits are like interfaces
2016-11-25T04:37:11 < jadew> what are mixins?
2016-11-25T04:37:49 < jadew> (except you can't rely on traits to assure you of an implementation detail, because the type you're augumenting doesn't change)
2016-11-25T04:38:06 < jadew> ah ha, so you can do that?
2016-11-25T04:38:43 < jadew> I still don't like it
2016-11-25T04:39:07 < jadew> when I see String, I have no extra information about the traits it was augumented with
2016-11-25T04:39:10 < zyp> kinda like concepts in C++
2016-11-25T04:40:42 < jadew> yeah, I guess it's alright
2016-11-25T04:41:24 < zyp> LeelooMinai, I'd venture that the bad part is that since the type can get augmented externally, it can get pretty messy
2016-11-25T04:42:00 < jadew> LeelooMinai, well, the C++ way you end up with a named type that is different from the base type
2016-11-25T04:42:13 < jadew> that's the value I see in it and the issue I see with traits in Rust
2016-11-25T04:42:29 < dongs> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1733117980/airselfie haha
2016-11-25T04:42:31 < dongs> fucking retards
2016-11-25T04:42:49 < jadew> lol
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2016-11-25T04:45:30 < jadew> what do you mean?
2016-11-25T04:46:59 < dongs> something about cocks
2016-11-25T04:47:08 < dongs> leellooman's favorite topic
2016-11-25T04:50:00 < jadew> LeelooMinai, interesting
2016-11-25T04:50:14 < jadew> sounds like a variant (c++) to me
2016-11-25T04:50:46 < jadew> rather than an enum, but I guess the easy syntax to deal with it comes in handy
2016-11-25T04:52:23 < jadew> nice
2016-11-25T04:52:50 < jadew> you can do that in c++ too, but it would be more verbose
2016-11-25T04:53:26 < jadew> LeelooMinai, what does the exclamation mark mean on the println on line 18?
2016-11-25T04:54:16 < jadew> I see
2016-11-25T05:05:05 < dongs> it means rust is shit
2016-11-25T05:11:07 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I don't see anything wrong with it
2016-11-25T05:12:35 < englishman> found a kicad alternative at a garage sale http://i.imgur.com/ZeokhB3.jpg
2016-11-25T05:13:09 < jadew> no, that should work
2016-11-25T05:13:19 < jadew> englishman, hah, nice
2016-11-25T05:13:39 < zyp> englishman, haha, I remember my dad had a bunch of stuff like that when I were a kid
2016-11-25T05:16:53 < jadew> I'm reorganizing my folders, this is tough
2016-11-25T05:17:29 < jadew> haha
2016-11-25T05:17:43 < jadew> that still wouldn't solve the problem of organization
2016-11-25T05:17:53 < jadew> I have them fairly well organized, but I need more organization
2016-11-25T05:19:03 < jadew> I want them grouped based on how they relate to each other, but at the same time I don't want to mix "areas"
2016-11-25T05:20:09 < jadew> some projects might envelop multiple types of applications, some only one, currently the parts of each project are in the areas where each part belongs and it's silly
2016-11-25T05:20:30 < jadew> but then if I bring all projects together, I'll end up with a lot of projects that are of different types, in the same folder
2016-11-25T05:21:22 < jadew> yes, but at the same time, not end up with a mess
2016-11-25T05:22:23 < jadew> like what?
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2016-11-25T05:22:31 < jadew> ah, tags
2016-11-25T05:22:35 < jadew> I see what you mean
2016-11-25T05:24:15 < jadew> filesystem
2016-11-25T05:24:19 < jadew> what are RL folders?
2016-11-25T05:24:57 < jadew> ah, hehe
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2016-11-25T05:25:10 < stvn> i want to see englishman's cat
2016-11-25T05:25:18 < englishman> ok
2016-11-25T05:25:25 < englishman> let me go downstairs to the woodpile
2016-11-25T05:25:25 < stvn> :D
2016-11-25T05:25:28 < englishman> and take a pic
2016-11-25T05:25:33 < stvn> thanks!
2016-11-25T05:31:21 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/agGoDxo.jpg
2016-11-25T05:31:36 < dongs> lildongs is getting huge
2016-11-25T05:31:49 < englishman> hes massive
2016-11-25T05:32:02 < stvn> haha awesome
2016-11-25T05:32:04 < englishman> been working out
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2016-11-25T05:34:18 < jadew> LeelooMinai, shitty
2016-11-25T05:35:45 < jadew> wtf, I keep hearing "your battery is low, please charge" and I don't know where it comes from
2016-11-25T05:36:53 < jadew> if I had a sex robot, it would always be charged.
2016-11-25T05:37:31 < jadew> found the culprint, a bluetooth speaker my son left under the desk
2016-11-25T05:38:35 < jadew> this is a major oversight, it should have said "Your battery is low, please charge. This is the bluetooth speaker."
2016-11-25T05:38:59 < dongs> wasting much battery to send out death signals
2016-11-25T05:43:51 < ReadErr> `holy shit that looks nasty
2016-11-25T05:44:12 < ReadErr> rust?
2016-11-25T05:44:28 < stvn> hmm
2016-11-25T05:45:34 < ReadErr> <LeelooMinai> jadew: This worked. Kind of lame though as I need to duplicate that part... http://i.imgur.com/H5H3iNa.png
2016-11-25T05:45:40 < englishman> dats c++ bro
2016-11-25T05:45:48 < ReadErr> wat really
2016-11-25T05:45:49 < englishman> even lildongs knows to avoid it
2016-11-25T05:46:03 < ReadErr> doesnt look like any C++ I learned 
2016-11-25T05:46:39 < ReadErr> granted this was many years ago, like 12 years
2016-11-25T05:47:29 < ReadErr> it still looks horrible
2016-11-25T05:47:49 < ReadErr> java seems cleaner almost
2016-11-25T05:48:11 < zyp> looks shitty to me too, I blame the author
2016-11-25T05:49:19 < zyp> looks more like CRAP to me
2016-11-25T05:49:50 < stvn> help
2016-11-25T05:49:59 < ReadErr> what the NodeT& shit
2016-11-25T05:50:23 < zyp> LeelooMinai, no wonder you think templates look like shit when you write shitty templates
2016-11-25T05:50:59 < ReadErr> used to seeing them proceeding stuff 
2016-11-25T05:51:01 < ReadErr> not after
2016-11-25T05:51:09 < ReadErr> before*
2016-11-25T05:51:46 < zyp> disprove what? that you write shitty templates?
2016-11-25T05:52:45 < ReadErr> &var
2016-11-25T05:52:54 < zyp> LeelooMinai, no, just go write your shitty code, I'm not interested
2016-11-25T05:53:14 < stvn> stop it LeelooMinai 
2016-11-25T05:53:37 < ReadErr> we dont use logic round these parts
2016-11-25T05:55:10 < ReadErr> that looks a bit better
2016-11-25T05:55:15 < ReadErr> styling I guess
2016-11-25T05:55:50 < ReadErr> still doesnt look good though
2016-11-25T05:56:10 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/wshGKlE.jpg
2016-11-25T05:56:31 < ReadErr> lo
2016-11-25T05:56:37 < upgrdman> stvn, i wish there were some of her in my CS classes
2016-11-25T05:56:47 < stvn> haha
2016-11-25T05:56:48 < ReadErr> we had like uhhh
2016-11-25T05:56:49 < ReadErr> 4
2016-11-25T05:56:58 < stvn> 4 filthy pornstars?
2016-11-25T05:57:05 < englishman> nice selfit
2016-11-25T05:57:07 < ReadErr> no, people without dicks
2016-11-25T05:57:25 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: idk, it just doesnt sit right with me
2016-11-25T05:57:28 < jadew> I know that girl, but I can't put my finger on it
2016-11-25T05:57:31 < ReadErr> maybe its the spacing
2016-11-25T05:57:35 < ReadErr> jadew: anal queen
2016-11-25T05:57:51 < jadew> ReadErr, I was kidding, big fan of her work :P
2016-11-25T05:58:37 < ReadErr> nah I go off my gut
2016-11-25T05:58:46 < ReadErr> it doesnt speak english 
2016-11-25T05:58:49 < ReadErr> it just has feels
2016-11-25T05:59:47 < stvn> i have a computer
2016-11-25T06:01:56 < stvn> nobody cares about your feels on irc
2016-11-25T06:02:00 < ReadErr> I cant pinpoint it
2016-11-25T06:02:09 < ReadErr> I just shoot from the hip
2016-11-25T06:02:32 < stvn> especially Steffan, he's evil
2016-11-25T06:02:47 < ReadErr> oh for sure, huge cyber bully 
2016-11-25T06:02:54 < stvn> hahaha
2016-11-25T06:03:35 < englishman> wheres the audiophool repair video channel
2016-11-25T06:05:20 < ReadErr> this is hardly chaos 
2016-11-25T06:06:21 < stvn> ya
2016-11-25T06:06:26 < ReadErr> hehe hardly the worst 
2016-11-25T06:06:29 < ReadErr> not even close
2016-11-25T06:09:34 < stvn> what is best abusive trolly channel on this network
2016-11-25T06:10:15 < ReadErr> stvn: freenode is a SJW network
2016-11-25T06:10:22 < stvn> mm
2016-11-25T06:10:51 < ReadErr> theres that autism channel 
2016-11-25T06:10:59 < ReadErr> wrongplanet or something?
2016-11-25T06:11:08 < stvn> i lasted 10 seconds on one here
2016-11-25T06:11:48 < stvn> waz awesome
2016-11-25T06:12:13 < ReadErr> wat
2016-11-25T06:13:52 < englishman> freenode isnt even dangerous
2016-11-25T06:13:54 < englishman> just meaningless
2016-11-25T06:15:37 < ReadErr> im probably the most OG freenoder here
2016-11-25T06:15:39 < ReadErr> just sayin
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2016-11-25T06:55:31 < dongs> how the fuck do I desolder QFN
2016-11-25T06:55:44 < dongs> its a fucking sawn qfn with like /    \ edges
2016-11-25T06:56:10 < dongs> when solder melts, it floats , but it has epad and those /\ nends, i cant catch it anywehre, and if i try lifting it up it just rotates and trashes all other parts around it
2016-11-25T06:56:18 < dongs> fucking lol.
2016-11-25T06:56:19 < zyp> haha
2016-11-25T06:56:55 < zyp> and vacuum tweezers is no go since you'll melt the suction cup, right?
2016-11-25T06:57:02 < englishman> noob
2016-11-25T06:57:04 < englishman> you heat it up
2016-11-25T06:57:09 < englishman> then bash the board upside down
2016-11-25T06:57:12 < englishman> and it falls off
2016-11-25T06:57:27 < dongs> englishman: yeah and all 100 parts around it
2016-11-25T06:57:32 < englishman> not if youre pro
2016-11-25T06:57:40 < jadew> dongs, I have a suction thingie which uses a needle for suction
2016-11-25T06:57:44 < jadew> so it won't melt
2016-11-25T06:57:48 < englishman> especially on rohs you can see which solder has melted
2016-11-25T06:57:56 < jadew> (it sucks continously)
2016-11-25T06:58:12 < englishman> or you can heat and push the qfn sideways
2016-11-25T06:58:14 < dongs> yeah this will ned some decent pressure to take it off
2016-11-25T06:58:22 < dongs> englishman: yes, into the caps/res around it
2016-11-25T06:58:26 < englishman> sure
2016-11-25T06:58:35 < dongs> it floats on the melted solder but surface tension is very high, impossible to lift it off
2016-11-25T06:58:39 < ReadErr> chipquik
2016-11-25T06:58:48 < dongs> ReadErr: its already melted
2016-11-25T06:58:56 < zyp> dongs, got a pic of how it looks?
2016-11-25T06:59:08 < ReadErr> yea you can add the chipquik and it will work over solder fine
2016-11-25T06:59:18 < ReadErr> shits a pain in the dick to clean sometimes
2016-11-25T06:59:34 < jadew> dongs you can't grab it from opposite corners with tweezers?
2016-11-25T06:59:51 < englishman> he probably can
2016-11-25T06:59:58 < englishman> but instead he is inflicting his autism on this chan
2016-11-25T07:00:04 < dongs> no
2016-11-25T07:00:09 < dongs> its one of those QFN thats not rectangular
2016-11-25T07:00:09 < dongs> http://www.kynix.com/uploadfiles/small8976/ADV7180WBCPZ-REEL.jpg
2016-11-25T07:00:10 < englishman> while leveling up his pokemon on pokemon sun
2016-11-25T07:00:12 < dongs> like this ^ zyp 
2016-11-25T07:00:22 < zyp> if there's enough clearance on one side, put down a screwdriver against the board there, then shove the chip onto the screwdriver from the other side
2016-11-25T07:00:30 < ReadErr> oh like an atmega 
2016-11-25T07:00:39 < dongs> yeah but this is 64pin iu think
2016-11-25T07:00:41 < ReadErr> you can tweezer them fine
2016-11-25T07:00:42 < dongs> so its not so small
2016-11-25T07:00:48 < dongs> nope cant
2016-11-25T07:00:49 < englishman> he has like the zeph preheater
2016-11-25T07:00:54 < englishman> and a hand hotair
2016-11-25T07:00:55 < jadew> LeelooMinai, ah
2016-11-25T07:00:56 < jadew> hmm
2016-11-25T07:01:01 < englishman> but too noob to actually us them
2016-11-25T07:01:05 < jadew> can you not declare IteratorT as a typename
2016-11-25T07:01:15 < jadew> like typename IteratorT
2016-11-25T07:01:20 < jadew> ;
2016-11-25T07:01:26 < ReadErr> dongs: can try some VHB
2016-11-25T07:01:31 < ReadErr> on the end of a stick
2016-11-25T07:01:38 < ReadErr> or metal pokey thing
2016-11-25T07:01:40 < zyp> or grab a scalpel and get it under the chip
2016-11-25T07:01:51 < dongs> yeah i tried with xacto
2016-11-25T07:01:57 < dongs>  i kinda need liek 3 hands for this to work peroperly
2016-11-25T07:01:58 < ReadErr> then just press down and pull up
2016-11-25T07:02:04 < dongs> maybe a needle or somethign
2016-11-25T07:02:04 < ReadErr> hope it sticks
2016-11-25T07:02:15 < dongs> the smell would be pretty bad
2016-11-25T07:02:27 < ReadErr> ehh nah
2016-11-25T07:02:39 < ReadErr> it shouldnt get THAT hot
2016-11-25T07:02:52 < ReadErr> heat it from the bottom
2016-11-25T07:02:57 < ReadErr> so the top stays cool
2016-11-25T07:05:17 < dongs> nope
2016-11-25T07:05:19 < dongs> its 4 layer
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2016-11-25T07:07:58 < ohsix> the altium book question earlier was genuine, anyone want them?
2016-11-25T07:08:09 < ohsix> 15:03 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/o3mZWUk.jpg any altium nerds want these old books? they're headed to the bin
2016-11-25T07:11:15 < ohsix> sending books in the US is only a few bux, maybe out of country even
2016-11-25T07:11:34 < ohsix> always worth finding out if they're useful to someone, or send them to a library/museum/something in the lending network
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2016-11-25T07:13:48 < ReadErr>  hackerspace ?
2016-11-25T07:14:14 < ohsix> yea but none nearby, and the one i'm familiar with, wouldn't fit
2016-11-25T07:23:13 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/iV7Xvkw.jpg
2016-11-25T07:23:18 < englishman> go indoors, japan
2016-11-25T07:23:59 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutation
2016-11-25T07:24:27 < ohsix> englishman: those platform shoes might work great in the snow
2016-11-25T07:25:19 < dongs> lol
2016-11-25T07:32:11 < ohsix> Hardcover: 8300 pages
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2016-11-25T07:39:38 < ohsix> lul the black dude in the braille videos is called nigel, https://www.instagram.com/nigglejones/?hl=en
2016-11-25T07:39:51 < ohsix> his name is nigel, rather, instagram profile is nigglejones
2016-11-25T07:39:56 < ohsix> skaters amirite
2016-11-25T07:47:48 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/WesWzWd.jpg
2016-11-25T07:48:12 < ohsix> i put a button on one of those esp-01 adapter boards, if you hold the button when you plug it in, it's in programming mode
2016-11-25T07:48:19 < ohsix> am so clever
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2016-11-25T07:58:51 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/lcamtuf/status/801935829840982017
2016-11-25T07:59:43 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/scanlime/status/801932951910948864
2016-11-25T08:01:35 < upgrdman> dongs, http://i.imgur.com/4OGIWNx.gifv
2016-11-25T08:03:32 < dongs> funny level: flyback
2016-11-25T08:03:37 < stvn> m
2016-11-25T08:06:59 < ohsix> flyback hasn't been around much
2016-11-25T08:07:07 < ohsix> might have to adjust your baseline
2016-11-25T08:07:30 < ohsix> hurr that's actually kind of funny
2016-11-25T08:07:39 < ohsix> he has to look up to see what he's doing, it's not peepin'
2016-11-25T08:10:08 < dongs> your ass cancer is spreading to your brain?
2016-11-25T08:10:16 < englishman> worse, he's in america now
2016-11-25T08:10:22 < englishman> certain death is certain
2016-11-25T08:10:22 < dongs> oh RIGHT
2016-11-25T08:11:10 < upgrdman> anyone play the new doom
2016-11-25T08:11:15 < upgrdman> is it worth the $19 sale price
2016-11-25T08:11:23 < dongs> no
2016-11-25T08:11:24 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/BillNye/status/801922535982006272
2016-11-25T08:11:27 < upgrdman> also tempted to buy the half-life combo
2016-11-25T08:11:29 < dongs> more dark garbage
2016-11-25T08:11:30 < ohsix> upgrdman: YES
2016-11-25T08:11:33 < ohsix> doom is AWESOME
2016-11-25T08:11:45 < upgrdman> k
2016-11-25T08:12:04 < ohsix> it's actually fun to play
2016-11-25T08:12:08 < upgrdman> ohsix, its getting cold too. time to make my gtx1080 a space heater while i game at 4k60
2016-11-25T08:12:12 < ohsix> which sounds weird, but wait until you do
2016-11-25T08:12:13 < ohsix> yea :D
2016-11-25T08:12:28 < dongs> my gtx1070 is on the way
2016-11-25T08:12:35 < upgrdman> nice
2016-11-25T08:12:40 < dongs> i need to check if I need a power supply or something
2016-11-25T08:12:54 < ohsix> my gtx760 plays it reasonably well, old cpu/ram sux tho
2016-11-25T08:13:01 < upgrdman> now you can pwn fags with DXP.exe even faster than before
2016-11-25T08:13:02 < Kliment> I know someone who mines bitcoins just because it's the cheapest way to heat their apartment
2016-11-25T08:13:08 < ohsix> i sometimes get 60fps at 2048x1152
2016-11-25T08:13:22 < dongs> upgrdman: no its for my vive box
2016-11-25T08:13:28 < dongs> so i can jerk off to 3d animu in vr
2016-11-25T08:13:30 < Kliment> Or some altcoins or whatever, I don't recall
2016-11-25T08:13:31 < upgrdman> wuts a vive
2016-11-25T08:13:47 < dongs> http://www.roadtovr.com/htc-vive-sold-at-profit-sales-figures-data-units-more-than-140000/
2016-11-25T08:14:23 < upgrdman> is portal/portal2 fun?
2016-11-25T08:14:26 < dongs> nope
2016-11-25T08:14:28 < ohsix> huh
2016-11-25T08:14:31 < dongs> really fucking dumb
2016-11-25T08:14:37 < dongs> puzzles are stupid
2016-11-25T08:14:39 < dongs> there are no savegames
2016-11-25T08:14:42 < ohsix> englishman: that snow is apparently the first in 54 years
2016-11-25T08:14:46 < dongs> and the backstory is just rdiculous
2016-11-25T08:14:47 < ohsix> in japron
2016-11-25T08:14:58 < dongs> why bother with backstory if the entire point of hte game is to solve stupid puzzles
2016-11-25T08:15:01 < dongs> in 3D
2016-11-25T08:15:10 < dongs> tried that shit for 5 minutes
2016-11-25T08:15:12 < ohsix> upgrdman: it's not super fun or that challenging, but cave johnson and the story is worth a listen
2016-11-25T08:15:13 < dongs> rage inducing
2016-11-25T08:15:22 < ohsix> portal 1 that is
2016-11-25T08:15:35 < ohsix> wait
2016-11-25T08:15:39 < dongs> speaking of cocks i might need to paypal a steam giftcard
2016-11-25T08:15:42 < englishman> no savegames, wat
2016-11-25T08:15:45 < ohsix> cave johnson was 2
2016-11-25T08:15:54 < dongs> of course paypal-gifts.com tells me I cannot use my non-usa a ccount with it
2016-11-25T08:16:00 < dongs> and when I try with my USA account, it tells me to fuck off anyway
2016-11-25T08:16:06 < upgrdman> lol
2016-11-25T08:16:23 < upgrdman> eat-shit-and-die-plz-k-thx
2016-11-25T08:16:33 < ohsix> i didn't feel like i wasted my time but i expected the puzzles to be harder/more interesting
2016-11-25T08:16:49 < ohsix> dickfcuk wheatley and cave johnson in 2 is funny enough
2016-11-25T08:17:32 < dongs> anyway the shit is pretynice
2016-11-25T08:17:40 < dongs> but im getting some lag on 1050
2016-11-25T08:18:26 < upgrdman> lol. doom required 70GB. good thing i bought the 1tb ssd
2016-11-25T08:18:38 < ohsix> heheh
2016-11-25T08:18:47 < dongs> lol 60gb
2016-11-25T08:18:50 < ohsix> before internette uncapped i would have had to have waited a while
2016-11-25T08:19:18 < ohsix> yea some of the cost/time tradeoff shit has fundamentally changed
2016-11-25T08:21:17 < englishman> high tech shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-JzxX75oYc
2016-11-25T08:21:26 < Kliment> from an nxp evaluation board manual "The UART bootloader pins at the CPU are multiplexed with the external bus interface and so with all"
2016-11-25T08:21:27 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/knarkse/status/801909058135433216
2016-11-25T08:21:30 < Kliment> onboard memories. Also there is only one UART transceiver available (U6).
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2016-11-25T08:22:09 < ohsix> englishman: aaaa that's been posted more than once and i'm still meaning to watch it haha, at&t archives have loads of stuff
2016-11-25T08:22:29 < ohsix> ohhhh
2016-11-25T08:22:39 < ohsix> there are two versions, that's the short one; it may have been the long one
2016-11-25T08:23:09 < ohsix> there's a person on youtube that makes vacuum tubes that are real gruff and shit, been meaning to watch those too :<
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2016-11-25T08:26:50 < ohsix> chuck tingle is awesome
2016-11-25T08:27:04 < ReadErr>  well its official 
2016-11-25T08:27:07 < ReadErr> assange is dead
2016-11-25T08:27:17 < ReadErr> hillary finally droned him
2016-11-25T08:29:00 < ohsix> how did she do that
2016-11-25T08:29:14 < ReadErr> idk but it seems likely
2016-11-25T08:29:31 < englishman> citation needed
2016-11-25T08:29:39 < dongs> whats assange
2016-11-25T08:29:54 < ReadErr> englishman: fake news is the big thing of 2016
2016-11-25T08:30:02 < ReadErr> citation not required
2016-11-25T08:30:09 < englishman> -abraham clinton
2016-11-25T08:30:17 < ReadErr> who knows whats real, whats fake anymore
2016-11-25T08:30:25 < ReadErr> i mean, fucking pizza
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2016-11-25T08:30:37 < englishman> whats teh deal with pizza
2016-11-25T08:30:45 < ReadErr> well im not 100%
2016-11-25T08:30:55 < ReadErr> but Laurenceb said cheese pizza = cp
2016-11-25T08:30:56 < ReadErr> child pron
2016-11-25T08:31:10 < englishman> only thing i heard was biden giving obama a frienship bracelet with pizza on it
2016-11-25T08:31:14 < ReadErr> im not sure how it all ties in w/ hillary or w/e
2016-11-25T08:31:50 < ReadErr> also wtf is a gif keyboard
2016-11-25T08:35:03 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/NPR/status/801879815393603584
2016-11-25T08:35:54 < ohsix> ReadErr is right
2016-11-25T08:35:59 < ohsix> citation not needed
2016-11-25T08:36:44 < ohsix> pizzagate
2016-11-25T08:37:11 < ohsix> how is, wait, what?
2016-11-25T08:37:24 < ohsix> 'julian assange possibly silenced over 'pizzagate''
2016-11-25T08:37:27 < ohsix> how are these related
2016-11-25T08:37:37 < ReadErr> lol ya see
2016-11-25T08:37:46 < ReadErr> im not even sure if pizzagate is real
2016-11-25T08:37:51 < ReadErr> or some 4chan shit
2016-11-25T08:38:06 < dongs> http://www.snopes.com/pizzagate-conspiracy/
2016-11-25T08:38:42 < ReadErr> wow
2016-11-25T08:39:25 < ohsix> no, an actual business got a load of shit
2016-11-25T08:40:08 < ReadErr> eh see
2016-11-25T08:40:48 < ohsix> haha
2016-11-25T08:40:52 < ohsix> wait
2016-11-25T08:40:54 < ohsix> hm
2016-11-25T08:41:06 < ohsix> there was a story about the podesta emails being code for ordering children
2016-11-25T08:41:11 < ohsix> is this the same thing or just related lul
2016-11-25T08:41:27 < ReadErr> thats what I thought it was
2016-11-25T08:41:33 < ReadErr> but dongs thing said its bullshit
2016-11-25T08:41:42 < ReadErr> but some news places are posting it as legit 
2016-11-25T08:41:51 < dongs> legit twitter news
2016-11-25T08:42:14 < ohsix> well the reaction to the fake news is real
2016-11-25T08:42:18 < ohsix> the fake news was not
2016-11-25T08:42:39 < ReadErr> does it become real then
2016-11-25T08:44:03 < ohsix> nope
2016-11-25T08:44:12 < ohsix> they're different things
2016-11-25T08:44:23 < ohsix> people do a lot of shit in the name of religion, it's bullshit, the reaction is not
2016-11-25T08:44:50 < ohsix> and that's just a lazy analogy, don't h8 religion all that much per-se
2016-11-25T08:45:35 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggvQdZXMGLw
2016-11-25T08:45:50 < ReadErr> he says its legit man....i just dont know
2016-11-25T08:46:49 < ohsix> good one
2016-11-25T08:47:13 < ohsix> ReadErr: dirk gently is kind of mehhh, but mostly because the original story is some ghost story supernatural bullshit
2016-11-25T08:47:14 < ohsix> huhu
2016-11-25T08:47:32 < ReadErr> i still need to get that westworld thing or w/e
2016-11-25T08:47:34 < ohsix> like i can't even tell if the the show is actually bad cuz the subject matter is lame
2016-11-25T08:47:36 < ohsix> yea def
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2016-11-25T08:47:55 < ohsix> just watch the first one and think about it for a week or two
2016-11-25T08:48:00 < ohsix> forget the rest, at least initially
2016-11-25T08:49:06 < ohsix> :<
2016-11-25T08:49:31 < ReadErr> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/vulva-gallery-hilde-atalanta_us_582f7ca7e4b030997bbf76ca
2016-11-25T08:49:34 < ReadErr> lol
2016-11-25T08:49:37 < ohsix> trump did florence henderson
2016-11-25T08:51:40 < ohsix> written/produced by max landis probably means the show (dirk gently) is not good, tho
2016-11-25T08:51:45 < ohsix> he's pretty alright
2016-11-25T08:51:58 < ohsix> redlettermedia had him on some of their best of the worst videos and shit
2016-11-25T08:52:07 < ohsix> he's not a jackass or anything
2016-11-25T08:52:15 < ohsix> (like you might expect)
2016-11-25T08:52:49 < ReadErr> finally caught up on adam ruins everything
2016-11-25T08:53:01 < ReadErr> man that wall shit made a lot of sense
2016-11-25T08:53:48 < ohsix> wat ep, i forget, the immigration one?
2016-11-25T08:54:00 < ReadErr> ya
2016-11-25T08:54:11 < ohsix> lul something that was in the news a few weeks ago or whatever, 650 million immigrants coming into the US
2016-11-25T08:54:23 < ohsix> rather, that hillary wanted to do that
2016-11-25T08:54:28 < ReadErr> uhhh
2016-11-25T08:54:32 < ReadErr> 650...million
2016-11-25T08:54:33 < ohsix> which is twice the population of the united states
2016-11-25T08:54:38 < ReadErr> people are dumb
2016-11-25T08:55:11 < ohsix> how can they be so dumb that they forget how much of a pain in the ass it is for them to move, or any of the shit they know about housing where they live
2016-11-25T08:56:31 < ReadErr> makes you wonder if they read that stuff before they publish it
2016-11-25T08:57:04 < ohsix> eh
2016-11-25T08:57:14 < ohsix> well, the absurdity of it makes it newsworthy too
2016-11-25T08:57:18 < ohsix> like
2016-11-25T08:57:29 < ohsix> it's a double bind that basically got him elected and all that time on cnn and shit
2016-11-25T08:57:56 < ReadErr> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-challenge-election-results_us_5834e3a6e4b000af95ed3a34
2016-11-25T08:58:14 < ReadErr> not sure about this but saw that guys twitter pic the other day
2016-11-25T08:58:19 < ReadErr> with some console GNU math going on
2016-11-25T08:58:45 < ohsix> yea about intercepts
2016-11-25T08:58:51 < ohsix> it's from a statistics package
2016-11-25T08:59:01 < ReadErr> looks like python
2016-11-25T08:59:02 < ohsix> could just be R or something too
2016-11-25T08:59:14 < ohsix> nate silver has posted pictures of the same thing
2016-11-25T08:59:42 < ReadErr> I dont know the math well enough to understand wtf its saying
2016-11-25T09:00:16 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/801221907609579520
2016-11-25T09:00:21 < ohsix> gimme pic again i'll find it
2016-11-25T09:00:47 < ReadErr> https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/801226924156719104
2016-11-25T09:00:50 < ohsix> http://blog.minitab.com/blog/adventures-in-statistics/how-to-interpret-regression-analysis-results-p-values-and-coefficients
2016-11-25T09:01:20 < ohsix> yea i saw that picture
2016-11-25T09:01:47 < ohsix> http://www.statmethods.net/stats/regression.html
2016-11-25T09:02:04 < ohsix> lm -> linear model
2016-11-25T09:03:37 < ReadErr> yea still
2016-11-25T09:03:51 < ReadErr> you really have to understand that stuff to see anything significant 
2016-11-25T09:03:55 < ReadErr> they are so close
2016-11-25T09:05:15 < ohsix> eh that's what the p values are supposed to be for
2016-11-25T09:05:31 < ohsix> but i dunno about statistics well enough to see how much it matters or what it implies
2016-11-25T09:05:48 < ohsix> i _think_ just showing an image like that isn't enough to assess what they're sayign about it
2016-11-25T09:07:09 < ohsix> https://stat.ethz.ch/pipermail/r-help/2010-December/261919.html enough refs to find your way around r and do some shit
2016-11-25T09:08:03 < ohsix> black_pct hehehe
2016-11-25T09:08:51 < ohsix> dirk gently might be interesting when all of the out of order narrative stuff catches up later
2016-11-25T09:09:25 < ohsix> i need an ankle antistatic strap thing, my shoes have been lethal, people have dropped what they're carrying when i zapped them
2016-11-25T09:13:21 < ReadErr> "Donald Trump’s Cabinet Is On Track To Be The Least Experienced In Modern History"
2016-11-25T09:13:27 < ReadErr> lol these headlines
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2016-11-25T09:17:18 < dongs> ReadErr: Hi! It looks like you're engaging in activity not directly related to STM32 or electronics. May I suggest you tweet about it instead? Or perhaps make a stumble.upon? Or even better, just /msg ohsix directly? Thank you!
2016-11-25T09:18:48 < englishman> one thing is for sure, democrats own a fuck load of pizza places
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2016-11-25T09:23:33 < ohsix> ReadErr: i know, and when people constantly spun h8 into 'wanting an outsider' and shit it's palying well
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2016-11-25T09:24:37 < ReadErr> outside = someone who is unqualified and doesnt know what they are doing 
2016-11-25T09:24:53 < ReadErr> I guess anyways
2016-11-25T09:25:14 < ohsix> not exactly
2016-11-25T09:25:26 < ohsix> but being politically or any type of 'experienced', makes you an elite or an insider
2016-11-25T09:25:53 < ohsix> so when you say cabinet is unexperienced, you're saying multiple things to different people
2016-11-25T09:26:47 < ReadErr> i guess
2016-11-25T09:27:19 < ohsix> if experienced people do shit that always pisses you off, then some idiot isn't necessarily starting with a handicap
2016-11-25T09:28:19 < ReadErr> President-elect Donald Trump’s pick for education secretary is a conservative billionaire who attended private schools and appears to have little personal experience with traditional public education.
2016-11-25T09:28:19 < ReadErr> Betsy DeVos, who Trump on Wednesday named to lead the U.S. Department of Education, has poured millions into promoting charter schools and education vouchers. She will head federal policy for the nation’s nearly 100,000 public schools if confirmed to the Trump administration Cabinet post. 
2016-11-25T09:28:25 < ohsix> there's a lot of resentment and shit of just about everything, people are petty as fuck and hate working, but know they have to do it, and know they have to do it at a really shitty job they hate
2016-11-25T09:28:30 < ReadErr> I dont see how this is an 'outsider'
2016-11-25T09:28:37 < ReadErr> unless they want someone on the other side of the fence 
2016-11-25T09:28:55 < ohsix> sure
2016-11-25T09:29:02 < ohsix> 'least experienced' is about a group
2016-11-25T09:29:18 < ohsix>  a lot of that group are lobbyists and special interest group people
2016-11-25T09:30:50 < ohsix> christ, ebay is doing that thing where it logs me out if i add something to a wishlist again
2016-11-25T09:32:00 < ReadErr> ohhhhh shit
2016-11-25T09:32:01 < ReadErr>  The sum total of her involvement has been spending her family’s wealth in an effort to dismantle public education in Michigan.”
2016-11-25T09:32:11 < ReadErr> vice news on 11/18
2016-11-25T09:32:17 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-25T09:32:19 < ReadErr> parallels this 100%
2016-11-25T09:32:19 < ohsix> it's bad
2016-11-25T09:32:31 < ReadErr> shits super fucked lol
2016-11-25T09:32:52 < ohsix> being educated is a problem, because they vote against you, they want a lot of pay
2016-11-25T09:33:19 < ReadErr> if my school didnt have AC in the summer
2016-11-25T09:33:25 < ReadErr> I would drop out for sure
2016-11-25T09:33:38 < ohsix> it seems weird, but ignorance isnt' a problem to a lot of people, it means you can sell shit to them and fuck them over
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2016-11-25T09:34:14 < ReadErr> yea, depends on what you are trying to do I guess
2016-11-25T09:34:31 < ReadErr> and what side of things you stand on 
2016-11-25T09:34:37 < ohsix> if you're a confidence man, you're doing the easy work
2016-11-25T09:34:43 < ohsix> why have a product or a sales pitch, just take it
2016-11-25T09:35:30 < ohsix> if you do all this elaborate shit that enriches your life and stuff, you're taking away from all the fucking and drugs you can do
2016-11-25T09:35:35 < ReadErr>  "89% of its students aren't reading on their grade level, which is typical for a Detroit area school"
2016-11-25T09:35:47 < ReadErr> gdamn and you wonder why detroits a shithole
2016-11-25T09:35:49 < ohsix> ehh
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2016-11-25T09:36:03 < ohsix> that's more of the result of some shit rather than the cause of some shit
2016-11-25T09:36:16 < ReadErr> I wonder if industry dipped out due to lack of skilled labor
2016-11-25T09:36:25 < ohsix> you almost can't even talk about detroit when you're talking about this stuff
2016-11-25T09:36:27 < ReadErr> chicken/egg
2016-11-25T09:36:27 < ohsix> nah it didn't
2016-11-25T09:36:38 < ReadErr> spirals down after
2016-11-25T09:36:47 < ohsix> also they didn't need supe rskilled labor for the industry that made it a boom town
2016-11-25T09:36:54 < ohsix> the industry left and it died
2016-11-25T09:37:09 < ohsix> it's like all the small logging/mining communities, except bigger
2016-11-25T09:37:28 < ReadErr> you can snag houses in detroit for hardly anything
2016-11-25T09:37:50 < ReadErr> but a lot are contingent upon you getting them up to spec 
2016-11-25T09:39:05 < ohsix> diduc big clive video about uv nail curing lamps that are cheap as
2016-11-25T09:40:11 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avt4CpqZeqU
2016-11-25T09:40:15 < ohsix> they're like 3bux
2016-11-25T09:40:31 < ohsix> little stand and erryn'
2016-11-25T09:40:55 < ReadErr> might take some work to get them even enough for pcb exposure stuff
2016-11-25T09:41:13 < ReadErr> over a big enough area 
2016-11-25T09:41:33 < ohsix> huhu
2016-11-25T09:41:35 < ohsix> sure
2016-11-25T09:41:57 < ohsix> but they're relatively legit uv LEDs and i think even w/ case for power they're a decent deal
2016-11-25T09:42:18 < ohsix> cuz for curing nails and other garbage, you can't fake it, not like you can with the flash lights that just sort of look pink
2016-11-25T09:42:33 < ReadErr> I got a convoy s2 w/ nicha uv led for 9$ a while back
2016-11-25T09:42:41 < ReadErr> gearbest or something had a huge sale
2016-11-25T09:43:10 < ReadErr> http://www.gearbest.com/led-flashlights/pp_277704.html
2016-11-25T09:46:05 < ReadErr> http://www.gearbest.com/led-flashlights/pp_44147.html?wid=21
2016-11-25T09:46:12 < ReadErr> good deal, one of my fav lights 
2016-11-25T10:00:05 < ohsix> woah 12$, a bit rich for my blood
2016-11-25T10:03:31 < ohsix> heheh all of earch party is being nuked because it doesn't have a date on the thing
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2016-11-25T10:07:47 < ReadErr> convoy makes good shit tho 
2016-11-25T10:07:53 < ReadErr> very well built
2016-11-25T10:07:58 < ReadErr> date ?
2016-11-25T10:08:47 < stvn> my dick
2016-11-25T10:09:08 < ohsix> yea, 2016
2016-11-25T10:09:16 < ohsix> there was another show called search party
2016-11-25T10:10:32 < ohsix> http://p.protolabs.com/2017-cool-parts-calendar?utm_campaign=us-sos&utm_medium=email&utm_source=dt&utm_content=eb-calendar haha dum
2016-11-25T10:10:44 < ohsix> there's something cool about oldschool promotional shit
2016-11-25T10:10:46 < ohsix> like free calendars
2016-11-25T10:10:54 < ohsix> and people reading ad copy live instead of having a recorded ad
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2016-11-25T10:26:01 < ohsix> heh neat, Purity Ring is the title music for search party
2016-11-25T10:26:18 < ohsix> <3!!!!!!1 knowing about music before people know about it
2016-11-25T10:32:31 < ohsix> michael showalter spotted
2016-11-25T10:37:35 < Kliment> This reminds me, apparently Sun used to make smarcards in ring format
2016-11-25T10:38:20 < Kliment> seriously wtf http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAVA-RING-RARE-Sun-Microsystems-JAVA-ONE-Promo-/300495374337
2016-11-25T10:39:06 < ohsix> .
2016-11-25T10:39:09 < ohsix> they're not rare
2016-11-25T10:39:11 < ohsix> they're ibuttons
2016-11-25T10:39:22 < Kliment> "one of the Java One Conference JavaRing demos showed the ability to walk up to any computer in the world that has a JavaRing reader and have your home page loaded simply by touching the ring to the reader."
2016-11-25T10:39:48 < Kliment> Hah, so you can walk up to one of the four computers in the world that have one
2016-11-25T10:39:52 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETbGpGJNVLM
2016-11-25T10:39:59 < ReadErr> i used this in a vid forever ago
2016-11-25T10:40:03 < ReadErr> but cant remember which 
2016-11-25T10:42:51 < ohsix> the song? nice
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2016-11-25T10:43:20 < ohsix> one thing i'll miss about waffles is binging on the top 10 torrents in ~most categorys once a year or two
2016-11-25T10:43:33 < ohsix> pepole nerdier than me get shit you've never heard of
2016-11-25T10:43:39 < ReadErr> http://www.dailygusta.com/Video/i-5PPkRhH/A
2016-11-25T10:43:49 < ReadErr> I need to attempt this again
2016-11-25T10:43:50 < ohsix> do you have the album?
2016-11-25T10:43:53 < ReadErr> but now with better shit
2016-11-25T10:44:01 < ohsix> i can post it, it's worth a listen
2016-11-25T10:44:02 < ReadErr> nah I dont dl music anymore
2016-11-25T10:44:16 < ReadErr> ill dl it if you post it
2016-11-25T10:44:23 < ReadErr> i mostly been just streaming lately 
2016-11-25T10:44:28 < ohsix> werd
2016-11-25T10:44:36 < ohsix> the song on that video sounds neat too
2016-11-25T10:44:37 < ReadErr> ordered a chromecast audio thing
2016-11-25T10:44:55 < ohsix> oh ahah it gets a little house at the end, nevermind! :D
2016-11-25T10:45:01 < ohsix> oh ya i probably ~have to build a 250
2016-11-25T10:45:12 < ohsix> everyone is talking about phantoms and autopilot shit
2016-11-25T10:45:46 < ohsix> what song is on that vidya
2016-11-25T10:46:05 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sjhzvHimWM
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2016-11-25T10:49:50 < ReadErr> oh damn, pause all downloads
2016-11-25T10:49:51 < ReadErr> Keeping Up with the Kardashians S12 1080p ETV WEBRip AAC2 0 x264-BTW 
2016-11-25T10:50:02 < ReadErr> 26.8GB of trash
2016-11-25T10:50:22 < ohsix> ahah
2016-11-25T10:50:27 < ohsix> why did you ever
2016-11-25T10:50:37 < ReadErr> i didnt
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2016-11-25T10:52:31 < ohsix> oh haha
2016-11-25T10:52:39 < ohsix> you mean like 'stop the presses!', i see
2016-11-25T10:53:05 < ReadErr> oh damn, black mirror s03 forgot I had that
2016-11-25T10:54:41 < ReadErr> halt and catch fire s03 too
2016-11-25T10:55:43 < ohsix> hm
2016-11-25T10:55:50 < ohsix> i have a dropbox account now
2016-11-25T10:56:09 < ohsix> if it is synced to a directory and i put something there, then remove it later, does it remove it in dropbox as well? that could be handy
2016-11-25T10:58:31 < ReadErr> hmmm not sure
2016-11-25T10:58:47 < ReadErr> I know it keeps incrementals 
2016-11-25T10:58:53 < ReadErr> but if you delete not sure how that works
2016-11-25T11:00:08 < ReadErr> seems like if it didnt it would be easy to lose all your shit
2016-11-25T11:01:28 < ohsix> looks like i'll know soon enough anyways, google drive is messing up
2016-11-25T11:02:04 < ReadErr> the google drive mapping makes standing up a synology appliance worth while
2016-11-25T11:02:27 < ReadErr> present a bunch as network shares + google apps
2016-11-25T11:03:25 < ohsix> did you check out lapalux  / benga - newstep
2016-11-25T11:03:52 < ReadErr> no not heard of
2016-11-25T11:04:06 < ohsix> latter is dubstep-ish junk and i think it's on there cuz i sent it to you earlier
2016-11-25T11:04:18 < ohsix> k
2016-11-25T11:06:05 < ReadErr> filezilla has the worst fucking queue manager 
2016-11-25T11:06:15 < ReadErr> you think it would be easy to move something to the top
2016-11-25T11:06:29 < ReadErr> or reverse the order
2016-11-25T11:07:41 < ohsix> dropbox is hosing my intertubes and usign almost no bandwidth in the process
2016-11-25T11:10:42 < ReadErr> I uninstalled it from my work laptop
2016-11-25T11:10:50 < ReadErr> every time it booted it would use crazy amounts of cpu
2016-11-25T11:11:06 < jadew> ffs... I made a complete mess of my folder structure
2016-11-25T11:11:22 < ReadErr> did you snapshot your volume first?
2016-11-25T11:11:26 < ReadErr> like a pro
2016-11-25T11:11:44 < jadew> no, I can put them back, manually, but I'm upset that it doesn't work
2016-11-25T11:11:56 < ReadErr> harness the tools
2016-11-25T11:12:07 < jadew> I have a shitton of folders and I still find a project that doesn't fit anywhere
2016-11-25T11:12:45 < ohsix> i have some prepper, worst case scenario stuff that just uses find in some directories to keep filenames/structure
2016-11-25T11:13:00 < ohsix> in the event of catastrophe that's usually enough to recover a lot of things
2016-11-25T11:14:06 < stvn> 666
2016-11-25T11:14:19 < ohsix> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_1oUbuORfoJLUkyNnBPdzNQREk
2016-11-25T11:15:02 < ohsix> https://www.dropbox.com/s/37xmzh8hpo3fjfo/Purity%20Ring%20-%20Shrines%20%282012%29%20%5BV0%5D.zip?dl=0 or this
2016-11-25T11:15:05 < ReadErr> damn 16 LED bulbs 
2016-11-25T11:15:08 < ReadErr> for 20$
2016-11-25T11:15:12 < ohsix> benga & lapalux is at firs tlink too
2016-11-25T11:15:20 < ohsix> black friday?
2016-11-25T11:15:29 < ohsix> i ignored it, and i'm busy tomorrow :\
2016-11-25T11:15:47 < ohsix> ram is probably on sale and i need that, harddrives too, maybe
2016-11-25T11:15:51 < ReadErr> amazon
2016-11-25T11:16:21 < ohsix> nice, when i deleted the folder it disappeared on dropbox
2016-11-25T11:16:34 < ohsix> here's hoping i don't do that to my invoices!
2016-11-25T11:17:03 < ReadErr> got all 3
2016-11-25T11:17:04 < ohsix> there' is a deleted files thing on the web that lets you get them back tho
2016-11-25T11:17:08 < ohsix> k
2016-11-25T11:17:12 < ReadErr> gonna watch ep1 of this search party thing
2016-11-25T11:17:14 < ReadErr> anygood?
2016-11-25T11:17:23 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-25T11:17:27 < ohsix> wellll
2016-11-25T11:17:42 < ohsix> people are talking in a not spoilery manner about how the whole thing is good/a surprise or whatever
2016-11-25T11:17:53 < ohsix> i'm gonna watch the first two again more closely cuz i missed some jokes
2016-11-25T11:19:23 < ohsix> k i'm overdue for pillow time
2016-11-25T11:19:26 < ohsix> adios
2016-11-25T11:19:41 < ohsix> if you have keys n krates or anything kwel to check out stick em somewhere
2016-11-25T11:19:55 < ohsix> i've got time for music now, while i'm doing other shit
2016-11-25T11:20:49 < ohsix> Kliment: https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/ibutton/products/readers_probes.cfm
2016-11-25T11:21:03 < ohsix> a local security company uses them here to keep the shithead employees actually doing their routes
2016-11-25T11:21:29 < ohsix> they glue a checkpoint to something, and the employee has to read / log it as they work
2016-11-25T11:23:42 < ReadErr> cya
2016-11-25T11:33:03 < upgrdman> nice  https://gfycat.com/BouncyMeekGemsbok
2016-11-25T11:37:15 < upgrdman> lol  http://i.imgur.com/BCSH5Xn.gifv
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2016-11-25T11:43:09 < Ecco> Altium question: for a mid-mount USB port, should the PCB hole be drawn in the part or in the PCB?
2016-11-25T11:43:33 < Ecco> I would say in the part but would like a second opinion :)
2016-11-25T11:43:50 < upgrdman> prolly the part so your dumb ass can't forget to do it ;)
2016-11-25T11:44:35 < ReadErr> always the part
2016-11-25T11:46:07 < zyp> mid-mount in what sense?
2016-11-25T11:50:09 < upgrdman> port is recessed into the pcb
2016-11-25T11:50:16 < upgrdman> so middle of port == middle of pcb
2016-11-25T11:53:45 < ReadErr> this is going to be the most expensive calculator ever
2016-11-25T11:54:18 < zyp> upgrdman, vertical shit, or edge mount?
2016-11-25T11:54:54 < Kliment> zyp: mid-mount means the body of the connector is inside the pcb
2016-11-25T11:55:11 < Kliment> zyp: common on phones and such to make them thinner
2016-11-25T11:55:29 < karlp> and on nucleo dev boards for the ethernet jacks, for.... ?
2016-11-25T11:55:29 < zyp> that's what I figure as well, I'd just like to make sure we're on the same page
2016-11-25T11:55:48 < Kliment> karlp: For cost reasons probably
2016-11-25T11:55:53 < zyp> so anyway, the hole in question here is open ended then
2016-11-25T11:56:00 < zyp> i.e. part of the board edge
2016-11-25T11:56:07 < karlp> (I would say you can't put it int he part)
2016-11-25T11:56:22 < Kliment> you can in eagle
2016-11-25T11:56:36 < Ecco> I'll give it a try
2016-11-25T11:56:37 < Kliment> Just put a line on the dimension layer
2016-11-25T11:57:22 < karlp> but you'll probably have to handle it anyway, cos your fab will love you having wierd dimension lines all around the place
2016-11-25T11:58:23 < ReadErr> just draw a U
2016-11-25T11:58:31 < ReadErr> and put your board outline on the same layer 
2016-11-25T11:58:34 < zyp> in altium I guess you'd put in a board cutout area, which would be subtracted from whatever board shape you define
2016-11-25T11:58:37 < ReadErr> should snap in and be eazy
2016-11-25T11:59:59 < ReadErr> the subtraction only works on identical layers?
2016-11-25T12:00:10 < ReadErr> or thats the only way ive done it
2016-11-25T12:01:15 < ReadErr> dont forget about the whole square corners thing tho
2016-11-25T12:01:36 < ReadErr> can see that coming back to fuck you
2016-11-25T12:01:54 < zyp> altium has a concept of board shape
2016-11-25T12:02:07 < ReadErr> yea
2016-11-25T12:02:53 < jadew> what's a word that describes all desktop and server programs, but not embedded and not web technology related?
2016-11-25T12:03:12 < jadew> not PC
2016-11-25T12:03:14 < ReadErr> application ?
2016-11-25T12:03:26 < jadew> that's a good one, thanks
2016-11-25T12:04:22 < jadew> I decided to revert to my previous folder structure and add a couple of new folders with stricter rules instead
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2016-11-25T12:20:05 < ReadErr> very discipline 
2016-11-25T12:20:37 < jadew> I solved it, it looks decent
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2016-11-25T12:37:42 < jadew> http://188.27.94.149/stuff/structure.txt
2016-11-25T12:40:09 < stvn> :>>
2016-11-25T12:43:31 < kakimir> I need mpty enclosure that passes shucko plug thru it
2016-11-25T12:44:16 < kakimir> on box equiped with contactor inside it already
2016-11-25T12:44:39 < kakimir> wgat search words I should use?
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2016-11-25T13:06:54 < Steffanx> Karlp whats the name/brand of those fancy clickery clack keyboard you talk about sometimes (and which you also have iirc) 
2016-11-25T13:07:17 < Steffanx> Keyboards*
2016-11-25T13:07:20 < jadew> Steffanx, what kind of kb are you looking for?
2016-11-25T13:08:17 < Steffanx> Im not looking for something specific, just looking into something and i cant remember the manufacturer
2016-11-25T13:08:30 < Steffanx> Mechanical switches stuff.
2016-11-25T13:08:35 < jadew> the most known clicky ones are das keyboard
2016-11-25T13:08:47 < jadew> they're all using cherry mx switches
2016-11-25T13:09:12 < Steffanx> Aya that might be it.
2016-11-25T13:09:17 < jadew> http://cherry.de/
2016-11-25T13:09:41 < jadew> and there's a bunch of other manufacturers that make nice keyboards using those switches (there are several variants of the switches)
2016-11-25T13:10:03 < jadew> some are louder, some quieter, some have better tactile feedback
2016-11-25T13:11:07 < jadew> there's also a company that produces keyboards using the same technology used on ibm-m keyboards (they bought the patent)
2016-11-25T13:11:20 < jadew> let me see if I have the bookmark
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2016-11-25T13:14:04 < jadew> they're gone
2016-11-25T13:18:26 < karlp> heh, leeloo's "known uses" of that CRTP bullshit is listed as the barton nackman trick, which exists solely to work around issues in c++ compilers that didn't even  support namespaces
2016-11-25T13:31:05 < stvn> cool
2016-11-25T13:31:18 < stvn> does that mean i get a pizza?
2016-11-25T13:32:00  * stvn hands Steffanx the IBM model M keyboard
2016-11-25T13:32:16 < jadew> I have two \o/
2016-11-25T13:32:38 < stvn> :3
2016-11-25T13:33:11 < jadew> one is the original keyboard of my first PC, the other one was a gift
2016-11-25T13:33:40 < karlp> Steffanx: I bought a das keyboard 4.
2016-11-25T13:34:05 < karlp> even the "quiet" brown were still far louder than I'd wanted.
2016-11-25T13:34:13 < karlp> even after adding o-ring dampers to all the keys
2016-11-25T13:34:47 < karlp> I really like having the volume knob and distinct media buttons and the usb hub.
2016-11-25T13:34:50 < stvn> lolwut
2016-11-25T13:35:02 < stvn> you added dampers to all your keys?
2016-11-25T13:35:07 < karlp> the keyboard itself hasn't been nearly as "omg this is awesome" as I'd been led to believe.
2016-11-25T13:35:15 < karlp> stvn: the idea was a quiet keyboard, yes.
2016-11-25T13:35:20 < jadew> karlp, which color switches?
2016-11-25T13:35:24 < karlp> jadew: brown
2016-11-25T13:35:30 < karlp> das keyboard is only in brown/blue.
2016-11-25T13:35:40 < karlp> I would hve liked to have found a device with red/clear to try out, but... iceland
2016-11-25T13:35:47 < jadew> I have the same and the only click I hear is from the key hitting the keyboard
2016-11-25T13:36:02 < jadew> or bottoming, I'm not sure how that happens
2016-11-25T13:36:07 < karlp> jadew: sure, but that's more than I want to have when I'm 2m from my partner in bed.
2016-11-25T13:36:17 < jadew> ah, true
2016-11-25T13:36:25 < karlp> like, it's _quieter_ than my old keyboard, but not nearly as much, 
2016-11-25T13:36:32 < karlp> and she says, "lolwut, it's not quieter at all"
2016-11-25T13:36:34 < jadew> for those special occasions, I use the IBM-M
2016-11-25T13:36:46 < jadew> kidding
2016-11-25T13:37:09 < stvn> i do have brown on the das i own
2016-11-25T13:37:18 < karlp> the stabilizers are the worst, I can type quietly okish if I try not to type too fast, but enter/space/shift/tab all go clang from the stabilisers
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2016-11-25T13:37:46 < karlp> I got custum keycaps on it too, to have icelandic layout, and I got them a bit darker than I should have, but so be it.
2016-11-25T13:38:00 < karlp> got them from wasdkeyboards, and they cost more than I would hve liked too.
2016-11-25T13:38:02  * karlp shrugs
2016-11-25T13:38:07 < karlp> sunk cost now :)
2016-11-25T13:38:41 < jadew> heh
2016-11-25T13:38:46 < jadew> how much was the keyboard?
2016-11-25T13:39:01 < karlp> how long is a ball of string?
2016-11-25T13:39:12 < karlp> I mean, it was expensive, but... it should last ages?
2016-11-25T13:39:30 < jadew> looks like they have it for $170
2016-11-25T13:39:38 < jadew> just wondering, cuz I like the way it looks
2016-11-25T13:39:46 < karlp> my desire to have the usb hub and the media knobs were the big driving factors
2016-11-25T13:39:52 < jadew> I paid for mine something like $200 cuz I had it delivered from the US
2016-11-25T13:39:57 < karlp> if you're just into having a mech keyboard, there's plenty of other options.
2016-11-25T13:40:07 < karlp> some of the mech nerds hate media keys anybway
2016-11-25T13:40:12 < jadew> when I got mine they didn't have much choiches (das keyboard that is)
2016-11-25T13:40:19 < jadew> so I bought a different brand
2016-11-25T13:40:27 < stvn> i like ticky tacky kb
2016-11-25T13:40:37 < jadew> I like media keys, but this one didn't have them
2016-11-25T13:40:43 < karlp> stvn: I like it to feel nice, not squishy, but i'm not addicted to the noise
2016-11-25T13:40:50 < jadew> I wrote a little app tho that remaps keys
2016-11-25T13:41:02 < jadew> so now if my numlock is off, I can start apps and control the volume :)
2016-11-25T13:41:08 < karlp> a guy in another office I'v visited has a model -m, can't believe anyone _really_ likes working at that volume
2016-11-25T13:41:15 < karlp> and not even win-key? gtfo
2016-11-25T13:41:26 < jadew> yeah, the win-key was the deal breaker for me
2016-11-25T13:41:39 < jadew> I didn't mind the click tho, I enjoyed it
2016-11-25T13:41:50 < karlp> OSHA should ban them
2016-11-25T13:42:35 < karlp> I've got a fairly generic microsoft kb/mouse bt combo at work, and it's a little quieter, pretty much just as nice to type on, but doens't look as nice.
2016-11-25T13:42:42 < karlp> and obviously doesn't have a built in USB hub :)
2016-11-25T13:42:58 < karlp> but I was led to beliefve that a "real" mech keybord would be a life changing experience.
2016-11-25T13:43:14 < jadew> and is it not?
2016-11-25T13:43:15 < karlp> it hasn't been that way for me at least.
2016-11-25T13:43:49 < Spirit532> I wonder if there's some kind of loophole for legally selling USB PIDs
2016-11-25T13:44:03 < karlp> Spirit532: voti.nl
2016-11-25T13:44:07 < jadew> in the period when I used rubber dome keyboards, when I would get a new keyboard (almost every year) I would then smash the old one, out of frustration
2016-11-25T13:44:10 < Spirit532> karlp, he's dead
2016-11-25T13:44:14 < Spirit532> http://www.mcselec.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=92&category_id=20&option=com_phpshop&Itemid=1
2016-11-25T13:44:15 < Spirit532> this isn't
2016-11-25T13:44:16 < Spirit532> but
2016-11-25T13:44:19 < Spirit532> that VID is revoked
2016-11-25T13:44:32 < jadew> Spirit532, there's nothing illegal about it
2016-11-25T13:44:47 < jadew> it's just that the USB consortium may revoke your VID
2016-11-25T13:44:54 < jadew> which means nothing
2016-11-25T13:45:01 < jadew> because they can't re-sell it anyway
2016-11-25T13:45:41 < Spirit532> I'm talking about acquiring a vid via "covert" crowdfunding
2016-11-25T13:45:46 < Spirit532> and then setting up some sort of foundation
2016-11-25T13:46:02 < Spirit532> so that you're technically assining PIDs to your own devices or something
2016-11-25T13:46:07 < jadew> then yeah, nobody can stop you
2016-11-25T13:46:26 < Spirit532> I know http://pid.codes/ does that
2016-11-25T13:46:29 < Spirit532> but they're only FOSS
2016-11-25T13:46:50 < Spirit532> and even though it's free, I'd like to buy a PID for like $20-50 for a non-FOSS device
2016-11-25T13:46:55 < Spirit532> not that I *really* need it, I'm using VCP
2016-11-25T13:46:56 < karlp> terms of buying the vid preclude you from reselling one
2016-11-25T13:47:06 < karlp> but like said, they can't _really_ do much about it.
2016-11-25T13:47:09 < Spirit532> but a loophole
2016-11-25T13:47:18 < karlp> do you think you're the first person here?
2016-11-25T13:47:23 < karlp> the fuck dude?
2016-11-25T13:47:26 < Spirit532> "by paying $50, you become a member of the FOSS thingamajig foundation"
2016-11-25T13:47:30 < Spirit532> wouldn't that be okay?
2016-11-25T13:47:31 < karlp> did you search for this _at _all_
2016-11-25T13:47:36 < Spirit532> I did
2016-11-25T13:47:40 < Spirit532> but nobody did it the way I'm thinking
2016-11-25T13:47:43 < jpa-> real VID/PID only matters if you want to get usb logo certified or microsoft driver certified or similar
2016-11-25T13:47:46 < Spirit532> yeah
2016-11-25T13:48:03 < jpa-> so if you don't want that, you can just pick a random discontinued VID and start assigning PIDs
2016-11-25T13:48:06 < karlp> and if you want to get the logo, then if there's _any_ doubt from the usbif, then you no logo
2016-11-25T13:48:11 < karlp> so yeah, use a dead vid
2016-11-25T13:49:32 < zyp> using random vids is all great fun until you pick one that somebody else already picked an registered a driver in windows update for
2016-11-25T13:49:41 < zyp> like, for instance 1234:5678
2016-11-25T13:50:06 < zyp> I've been using that for development, and got some pretty weird behavior when I tried that on windows
2016-11-25T13:50:17 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtSAIYALni0
2016-11-25T13:50:56 < jadew> lol
2016-11-25T13:51:17 < jadew> he was probably lying about something
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2016-11-25T13:51:53 < zyp> haha
2016-11-25T13:52:13 < Spirit532> jpa-, http://pid.codes/ has a valid id
2016-11-25T13:52:32 < Spirit532> because they're using one from before the "no reselling" docu
2016-11-25T13:53:49 < jpa-> Spirit532: for what purpose does that help`?
2016-11-25T13:53:58 < dongs> whats the topic here bros
2016-11-25T13:54:03 < dongs> im to olazy to scroll up
2016-11-25T13:54:09 < dongs> i sense lots of autism
2016-11-25T13:54:13 < Spirit532> jpa-, it's a good VID&PID with no collisions for OS projects
2016-11-25T13:54:16 < zyp> Spirit532, doesn't make a difference
2016-11-25T13:54:17 < jpa-> does usbif give a logo cert to a 3rd party who has bought pid from them?
2016-11-25T13:54:17 < Spirit532> so it's partially good
2016-11-25T13:54:27 < Spirit532> jpa-, third party?
2016-11-25T13:54:31 < Spirit532> you can't buy a PID
2016-11-25T13:54:36 < Spirit532> you buy 65k pids w/ a VID
2016-11-25T13:54:40 < jpa-> Spirit532: .. no collisions until someone just randomly picks the same pid.. same as any
2016-11-25T13:54:47 < Spirit532> heh
2016-11-25T13:55:25 < jadew> this VID/PID situation is so stupid
2016-11-25T13:55:31 < jpa-> but yeah, pid.codes is nice
2016-11-25T13:55:40 < jadew> I wonder what will happen when they run out of VIDs
2016-11-25T13:55:53 < Spirit532> jadew, the whole USB thing will be obsolete by then I reckon
2016-11-25T13:55:54 < dongs> they won't
2016-11-25T13:56:03 < jpa-> they'll just make FFFF:FFFF decide upon the name field then :P
2016-11-25T13:56:03 < dongs> there's not gonna be 65k companies selling usb shit.
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2016-11-25T13:56:12 < Spirit532> we'll be having magical ether wave nonfiber optic communications with timewarp
2016-11-25T13:56:16 < Spirit532> (never)
2016-11-25T13:56:22 < jadew> jpa-, hehe and then have another 32 bit VID? :D
2016-11-25T13:56:31 < Spirit532> then it'll be UNIVERSAL BUS
2016-11-25T13:56:38 < Spirit532> across the universe
2016-11-25T13:56:40 < stvn> hmmm
2016-11-25T13:56:45 < dongs> if they're gonna upgrade they should just go straight to 64bit
2016-11-25T13:56:47 < Spirit532> 128-bit VIDs, 256-bit PIDs
2016-11-25T13:56:48 < Spirit532> lol
2016-11-25T13:56:55 < dongs> 32bit vid, 32bit pid
2016-11-25T13:56:57 < dongs> done
2016-11-25T13:58:20 < karlp> what? every person on the planet can't be their own usb vendor?! not good enoug! *table flip*
2016-11-25T13:59:22 < jadew> karlp, well, considering that all you need for that is 40 bit VID, why not?
2016-11-25T13:59:35 < jadew> I think they should be much longer
2016-11-25T13:59:58 < jadew> like 256 and be assigned by simply filling in a form
2016-11-25T14:00:00 < zyp> why not just use an UUID?
2016-11-25T14:00:07 < dongs> is intel USB VID also 8086?
2016-11-25T14:00:11 < jpa-> or an url
2016-11-25T14:00:12 < dongs> i dont own any intel usb devices
2016-11-25T14:00:20 < jadew> an URL would work too, yeah
2016-11-25T14:00:23 < dongs> i know thier pci shit is 8086
2016-11-25T14:00:26 < jpa-> https://myfunnyvendor.com/get_usb_drivers_here
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2016-11-25T14:01:37 < karlp> 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub
2016-11-25T14:01:43 < karlp> floating point mang, 
2016-11-25T14:02:24 < karlp> thye have 8086 too though
2016-11-25T14:02:31 < dongs> haha
2016-11-25T14:02:43 < karlp> and 042b
2016-11-25T14:03:41 < karlp> but I mean, even frys electronics has a vid.
2016-11-25T14:04:02 < karlp> I just wish it was a bit more like snmp enterprise ids.
2016-11-25T14:04:16 < karlp> fill out form, get number.
2016-11-25T14:04:31 < karlp> but that's a bit easier as you don't hav ehtat descriptor issue
2016-11-25T14:04:59 < karlp> they're still only up to 48992 so far anyway
2016-11-25T14:05:38 < karlp> though, given that we've got 43k at work, it looks like the rate of those is accelerating somewhat.
2016-11-25T14:06:13 < stvn> USB pocket pussy
2016-11-25T14:06:53 < karlp> heh, hackerspce brussles got their own enterprise id.
2016-11-25T14:07:03 < karlp> I wonder what they were doing that they couldn't juset he experimental tree?
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2016-11-25T14:49:35 < stvn> i got my pizza
2016-11-25T14:49:37 < stvn> http://i.imgur.com/ojZp3DC.png
2016-11-25T14:51:38 < jadew> I wanted to get pizza too, but I decided to eat some more sausages instead
2016-11-25T14:52:04 < akaWolf_> better get soup!
2016-11-25T14:52:24 < jadew> I'm already done
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2016-11-25T14:52:55 < jadew> an now I realized what my wife wanted me to eat them with...
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2016-11-25T14:55:54 < stvn> a blasted foot
2016-11-25T14:56:43 < stvn> ever treated yourself?
2016-11-25T14:57:14 < stvn> i think the pizza and shaken soft drink has made me go loco
2016-11-25T15:03:56 < dongs> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=938_1479930163 lol!
2016-11-25T15:09:27 < jadew> at least he didn't have a passenger
2016-11-25T15:10:11  * jadew waits for "doesn't matter, he died anyway" followed by link to chinese article
2016-11-25T15:12:50 < ReadErr> seen one worse today
2016-11-25T15:12:58 < ReadErr> 300km/h bike accident
2016-11-25T15:13:19 < ReadErr> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=890_1479936769
2016-11-25T15:13:21 < ReadErr> aint pretty
2016-11-25T15:13:30  * jadew doesn't click
2016-11-25T15:13:39 < jadew> what did he hit?
2016-11-25T15:13:55 < ReadErr> initially ?
2016-11-25T15:14:00 < ReadErr> its pretty drawn out
2016-11-25T15:14:10 < jadew> well, was anyone else hurt?
2016-11-25T15:14:20 < ReadErr> not idk
2016-11-25T15:14:29 < ReadErr> duno
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2016-11-25T15:15:10 < jadew> then it's a win
2016-11-25T15:15:42 < jadew> idiots who drive like that should have their right to drive suspended for life anyway
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2016-11-25T15:15:56 < ReadErr> i think something came up and hit him initially 
2016-11-25T15:16:00 < ReadErr> i couldnt really tell
2016-11-25T15:16:19 < ReadErr> or he blew a tire 
2016-11-25T15:17:56 < stvn> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/lol/152219298455
2016-11-25T15:17:58 < ReadErr> stvn: lrh today
2016-11-25T15:18:12 < stvn> ya
2016-11-25T15:18:14 < ReadErr> BLACK POWER FRIDAY
2016-11-25T15:18:23 < stvn>  \o/
2016-11-25T15:18:32 < ReadErr> fight the power
2016-11-25T15:21:53 < stvn> diodes m8
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2016-11-25T15:50:03 < Steffanx> Rebbecca black friday?
2016-11-25T15:50:11 < Steffanx> -b or c
2016-11-25T15:50:53 < ReadErr> her album got blown out last years black friday
2016-11-25T15:51:27 < ReadErr> I got a chromecast audio thing, a ladder and grill (not on sale)
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2016-11-25T15:52:08 < ReadErr> not really seen anythang worth while
2016-11-25T15:53:10 < Laurenceb__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38105935
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2016-11-25T16:22:59 < jadew> I just had an idea
2016-11-25T16:23:09 < jadew> I wonder if there are any laws in place that prohibit negative prices
2016-11-25T16:23:59 < jadew> for example, you could have a contract to sell X to someone at -1$
2016-11-25T16:24:22 < ReadErr> the seller still has to collect tax
2016-11-25T16:24:27 < jadew> so you pay that and the taxes
2016-11-25T16:24:36 < jadew> well, you the taxes are also negative
2016-11-25T16:24:46 < ReadErr> |tax| 
2016-11-25T16:24:54 < jadew> is there a law for that? :)
2016-11-25T16:25:03 < ReadErr> im sure
2016-11-25T16:25:16 < ReadErr> however whats the benefit to this
2016-11-25T16:25:30 < jadew> you could extract money from a company without paying taxes hehe
2016-11-25T16:25:47 < ReadErr> strong arm robbery 
2016-11-25T16:25:54 < ReadErr> faster and easier
2016-11-25T16:26:02 < Ecco> you can have negative taxes
2016-11-25T16:26:08 < Ecco> it's actually very common
2016-11-25T16:26:19 < ReadErr> during a transaction?
2016-11-25T16:26:20 < Ecco> all taxes add up (or down), and you eventually only pay the total
2016-11-25T16:26:29 < Ecco> of course if the total is <0 you just pay zero
2016-11-25T16:26:36 < Ecco> and are kinda screwed :-)
2016-11-25T16:27:03 < jadew> Ecco, I guess it depends on how the taxes are supposed to be calculated
2016-11-25T16:27:13 < jadew> because if the formula is simply price * x
2016-11-25T16:27:19 < Ecco> yeah, but it does exist, and is pretty common
2016-11-25T16:28:06 < Ecco> I'm not an accountant (fortunately :-D), but I know it's common
2016-11-25T16:28:31 < Ecco> look up "negative VAT" for example
2016-11-25T16:29:15 < jadew> didn't know it's a thing
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2016-11-25T16:34:48 < zyp> of course it is, that's how VAT on expenses are handled
2016-11-25T16:36:05 < karlp> jadew: a more common dodge is to split stock and buy it back, rather than pay dividends.
2016-11-25T16:36:40 < karlp> some people here want to privatise healthcare, but "don't worry, we'll ban dividends"
2016-11-25T16:36:49 < karlp> hohoho, like that would make a fucking difference
2016-11-25T16:39:26 < jadew> silly of me to even consider that people haven't thought about this before hehe
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2016-11-25T17:03:11 < Kliment> The common tax dodge on VAT is circular payments
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2016-11-25T17:04:54 < Kliment> A buys products from B, in same country, exports to C, in a different country. B disappears, having collected VAT from A. A gets VAT reimbursed by state, C transfers money to A and product to B. B forms a new entity D, cycle starts again
2016-11-25T17:05:06 < Kliment> The illegal gains are 2*VAT per cycle
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2016-11-25T17:06:59 < Kliment> Extracting money from a company by buying below market value is considered in the tax laws, at least here. You are liable for VAT on the difference between market price and the price paid if it's proven that you used a personal relationship to obtain said deal
2016-11-25T17:07:30 < Kliment> Below market value is defined as selling below your buying price
2016-11-25T17:08:20 < jadew> you can't give special deals to friends and family?
2016-11-25T17:08:27 < jadew> say... -100% deal
2016-11-25T17:10:34 < Kliment> You can, but those are treated the same as disbursements - that is, they need a board decision are are taxed as such
2016-11-25T17:11:01 < Kliment> Friends and family are one case that is very strictly monitored
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2016-11-25T17:11:40 < Kliment> Because they're the most common vector where you might be in control of both sides of a transaction
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2016-11-25T17:12:03 < Kliment> similar controls are in place for giving special deals to owners, directors, and employees
2016-11-25T17:13:13 < Kliment> For example, I can't start a company, have the company buy a house, give myself the house at a 100% discount, mark the house as a business expense and write it off as a loss
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2016-11-25T17:13:33 < jadew> ah, obviously
2016-11-25T17:13:55 < jadew> but I'm thinking about things the company actually produces or offers as a service
2016-11-25T17:14:01 < jadew> can you not give those out for free?
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2016-11-25T17:16:55 < jadew> I guess the government would like you to pay VAT for the raw materials used there
2016-11-25T17:21:26 < Kliment> jadew: You can give services out for free, for legitimate business reasons
2016-11-25T17:21:32 < Kliment> Not because it's your cousin
2016-11-25T17:21:55 < Kliment> For example, it's permitted to send out samples to prospective customers
2016-11-25T17:22:11 < Kliment> Or to make sales and discounts and such
2016-11-25T17:22:27 < Kliment> But not permitted to make a sale that only applies to your family for example
2016-11-25T17:27:47 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/W99eSQ.jpg
2016-11-25T17:28:14 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/XjD6pU.jpg
2016-11-25T17:29:38 < englishman> Laurenceb: any funny pizzagate evidence
2016-11-25T17:29:41 < englishman> that shit is hilarious
2016-11-25T17:29:54 < Laurenceb> englishman: pizzagate is almost def disinfo
2016-11-25T17:30:03 < englishman> also, have the police murdered you yet now that they have 100% internet history of every Uker
2016-11-25T17:30:12 < Laurenceb> it started after the weird shit at wikileaks and there is no proper evidence
2016-11-25T17:30:34 < Laurenceb> englishman: not for a few weeks
2016-11-25T17:30:38 < Laurenceb> time to work on vpn
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2016-11-25T17:33:58 < Laurenceb> serious business http://8ch.net/n/res/485696.html
2016-11-25T17:34:06 < jadew> is anyone using the builtin windows 10 backup tool?
2016-11-25T17:34:27 < Laurenceb> I can't wrap my head around why someone would (even if vaccines DID cause autism) prefer having their child or themselves get the fucking mumps or Hepatitis A over just normal fucking autism
2016-11-25T17:35:34 < jadew> nice, thanks
2016-11-25T17:35:47 < jadew> yeah, found it
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2016-11-25T17:36:19 < jadew> so it backs up the full partition?
2016-11-25T17:36:38 < jadew> can you access files from different versions?
2016-11-25T17:37:19 < jadew> ah, so you can just mount it, nice
2016-11-25T17:38:18 < jadew> well, it says it can do differential images in the free edition
2016-11-25T17:38:32 < jadew> I suppose that means that it only saves the changes in the new version
2016-11-25T17:38:38 < jadew> no?
2016-11-25T17:41:28 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-25T17:41:37 < jadew> took me two reads to get it
2016-11-25T17:42:26 < jadew> sounds like it's going to occupy a lot 
2016-11-25T17:42:51 < jadew> yeah
2016-11-25T17:43:33 < jadew> I was honestly looking for something geared towards developers a little
2016-11-25T17:44:08 < jadew> well, for example my backup utility has the ability to ignore a lot of crap
2016-11-25T17:44:12 < jadew> like compiler output
2016-11-25T17:44:35 < jadew> and even single out files to be ignored
2016-11-25T17:48:13 < jadew> I like to keep as many versions as possible
2016-11-25T17:48:28 < jadew> also, I do this backup when I leave on vacation
2016-11-25T17:48:38 < jadew> and I need it to be small, so I can put it on a stick
2016-11-25T17:50:02 < jadew> ah, nice
2016-11-25T17:51:34 < karlp> if users can't find the feature, it might as well not exist, and therefore the version they know _is_ better
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2016-11-25T17:52:08 < karlp> "some people even don't know about and don't use"
2016-11-25T17:53:32  * karlp blinks
2016-11-25T17:54:17 < jadew> found something interesting
2016-11-25T17:54:47 < jadew> https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/2009.04.utilityspotlight.aspx
2016-11-25T17:55:25 < englishman> karlp
2016-11-25T17:55:27 < englishman> i found your blig
2016-11-25T17:55:36 < englishman> you do not write "lunix" as "lunix"
2016-11-25T17:55:39 < englishman> very disappointed
2016-11-25T17:56:26 < jadew> LeelooMinai, they sure have a lot of those
2016-11-25T17:56:35 < karlp> englishman: gotta have a bit of a balance.
2016-11-25T17:56:46 < karlp> zypsnips get the hashhash23 speak,
2016-11-25T17:56:58 < karlp> need to have a chance of some people _finding_ some things fromt he blog
2016-11-25T17:57:15 < jadew> yeah, sys internals
2016-11-25T17:57:18 < karlp> englishman: were you looking for anything in particular? ie, me, or did google give you an answer or something?
2016-11-25T17:57:40 < englishman> yeah google answered one of my ess tee emm questions by linking to your blog
2016-11-25T17:57:51 < karlp> whee
2016-11-25T17:57:57 < karlp> (was it actually useful though?)
2016-11-25T17:58:00 < Spirit532> another odd problem
2016-11-25T17:58:05 < Spirit532> this time, I don't think it's pebcak
2016-11-25T17:58:13 < Spirit532> I'm trying to do an SPI read
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2016-11-25T17:58:20 < englishman> yes, *after* i read the "This post is WRONG!" title. then it all made sense
2016-11-25T17:58:24 < Spirit532> so, I do DR = 0x00;
2016-11-25T17:58:29 < Spirit532> and the rest
2016-11-25T17:58:36 < jadew> LeelooMinai, no, what does it do that a regular search isn't doing?
2016-11-25T17:58:36 < Spirit532> but the trace on the scope is AWFUL
2016-11-25T17:58:39 < Spirit532> it's very high
2016-11-25T17:58:41 < Spirit532> (vdd)
2016-11-25T17:58:47 < Spirit532> and it's baaaaarely wiggling
2016-11-25T17:59:01 < Spirit532> scope is in x10, I checked...
2016-11-25T18:00:00 < jadew> LeelooMinai, ah, I take it it's indexing everything
2016-11-25T18:00:24 < jadew> I don't really need to search for stuff that often
2016-11-25T18:00:43 < jadew> I'm fairly organized
2016-11-25T18:01:14 < jadew> like... I know where everything is
2016-11-25T18:02:46 < PaulFertser> Spirit532: then it probably means the other side is pulling it up?
2016-11-25T18:02:53 < Spirit532> it's not supposed to
2016-11-25T18:03:01 < Spirit532> it's SPI
2016-11-25T18:03:11 < Spirit532> SPI mode 3
2016-11-25T18:03:27 < PaulFertser> Spirit532: also, is the pin configured to push-pull?
2016-11-25T18:03:30 < Spirit532> yes
2016-11-25T18:05:09 < PaulFertser> Spirit532: you  can try setting this pin to push-pull gpio and output 0, and check the voltage. You'll likely see that it's still pulled up by something else (externally).
2016-11-25T18:05:59 < Spirit532> now clock works
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2016-11-25T18:06:16 < Spirit532> but MISO is floppy
2016-11-25T18:06:31 < Spirit532> 20-30mv spikes, which appear to be data
2016-11-25T18:06:43 < Spirit532> what the hell is going on D:
2016-11-25T18:07:20 < Spirit532> the device is working fine too
2016-11-25T18:07:39 < Spirit532> happily doing a mechanical(shutter) routine every few sec
2016-11-25T18:07:42 < Spirit532> but not on SPI.
2016-11-25T18:09:16 < jpa-> http://hackaday.com/2016/11/22/mrisc-v-the-first-open-source-risc-v-microcontroller/    $49, "almost on par with Cortex M0" :)
2016-11-25T18:10:02 < Steffanx> Spirit532 voti aint dead. Its www.voti.nl not voti.nl
2016-11-25T18:10:45 < PaulFertser> Spirit532: MISO should be driven by the slave, so not stm32 in your case, right?
2016-11-25T18:10:52 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/54e7494923fdbfe7f943b920c175212473ee8f84e3ef594d27b992262a92d9d1.jpg
2016-11-25T18:10:54 < PaulFertser> Spirit532: what did you change to make SCK work?
2016-11-25T18:11:02 < Spirit532> disabled some code ;-;
2016-11-25T18:11:05 < zyp> jpa-, high cost is a given due to volume
2016-11-25T18:11:13 < Spirit532> USB was interfering
2016-11-25T18:11:18 < Spirit532> but the rest is just weird
2016-11-25T18:11:43 < zyp> jpa-, I'm rather noticing that it's «almost on par with m0», while it's running at 160MHz
2016-11-25T18:11:44 < Spirit532> I'm trying to drive this: https://i.spirit.re/hIN3r.pdf
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2016-11-25T18:11:49 < Spirit532> with an STM32F411VET6U
2016-11-25T18:11:52 < Spirit532> on SPI1
2016-11-25T18:11:55 < zyp> per-cycle performance must be pretty shitty in comparison
2016-11-25T18:13:01 < jpa-> zyp: yeah, was wondering about that also
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2016-11-25T18:18:02 < englishman> heh
2016-11-25T18:18:03 < englishman> well
2016-11-25T18:18:07 < englishman> its a university project
2016-11-25T18:18:21 < englishman> that's pretty amazing it's on par at all with ARM
2016-11-25T18:18:29 < englishman> like it's even within an order of magnitude
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2016-11-25T18:18:57 < englishman> that actually makes arm look pretty bad
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2016-11-25T18:22:19 < karlp> isn't m0 all about die cost, and who gives a shit about performance?
2016-11-25T18:24:33 < Spirit532> so any idea about my problem?
2016-11-25T18:24:40 < Spirit532> SPI data lines are just flopping up there
2016-11-25T18:24:42 < Spirit532> hard
2016-11-25T18:24:53 < Spirit532> and I am not particularly enjoying that
2016-11-25T18:30:00 < karlp> Spirit532: pins not being used by anything else on the board is it? is this a disco/nucleo?
2016-11-25T18:30:11 < Spirit532> if I zoom out all the way on the scope, to around 100-400us, it's almost like a sawtooth pattern
2016-11-25T18:30:15 < Spirit532> karlp, nope, my own board
2016-11-25T18:30:43 < karlp> Spirit532: "usb interfering" with SCK? what _else_ have you got wildly mixed uptogether?
2016-11-25T18:31:32 < Spirit532> nope, that was software
2016-11-25T18:31:37 < Spirit532> usb itself works
2016-11-25T18:31:39 < Spirit532> so does sck
2016-11-25T18:34:01 < Spirit532> yeah, there is nothing wrong electrically
2016-11-25T18:34:05 < Spirit532> it's *just* not working
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2016-11-25T18:39:57 < zyp> Spirit532, that's not a helpful attitude, clearly something is making it not work.
2016-11-25T18:40:14 < Spirit532> yes, and I want to figure out what
2016-11-25T18:40:20 < Spirit532> but where can I start?
2016-11-25T18:40:29 < Spirit532> electrically it's clean, no shorts to ground or anything of that matter
2016-11-25T18:40:45 < Spirit532> clock does appear to be going too
2016-11-25T18:40:45 < zyp> PaulFertser had a pretty good suggestion, did you try that?
2016-11-25T18:41:01 < Spirit532> which one?
2016-11-25T18:41:13 < zyp> 17:05:09 < PaulFertser> Spirit532: you  can try setting this pin to push-pull gpio and output 0, and check the voltage. You'll likely see that it's still pulled up by something else (externally).
2016-11-25T18:41:20 < Spirit532> let's try...
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2016-11-25T18:44:52 < Spirit532> nope
2016-11-25T18:44:53 < Spirit532> goes low
2016-11-25T18:45:21 < Spirit532> zyp, ^
2016-11-25T18:45:40 < zyp> this pin being MOSI?
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2016-11-25T18:45:49 < Spirit532> MISO
2016-11-25T18:45:59 < Spirit532> MOSI plays no role in this, device only outputs data via SPI
2016-11-25T18:46:01 < zyp> are you doing master or slave?
2016-11-25T18:46:08 < Spirit532> master...
2016-11-25T18:46:09 < Spirit532> wait...
2016-11-25T18:46:13 < Spirit532> yeah
2016-11-25T18:46:18 < Spirit532> yeah, that's how it's supposed to be.
2016-11-25T18:46:29 < Spirit532> master, I'm writing 0x00 to get a set of bytes out
2016-11-25T18:46:41 < Spirit532> as per datasheet https://i.spirit.re/hIN3r.pdf
2016-11-25T18:47:29 < Spirit532> page 35
2016-11-25T18:47:56 < Spirit532> MOSI is not grounded, it's connected to MOSI of SPI1 on the f411, as is the MISO
2016-11-25T18:48:17 < Spirit532> should I try grounding it?
2016-11-25T18:48:30 < zyp> no
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2016-11-25T18:48:42 < zyp> okay, so problem is on MISO
2016-11-25T18:49:03 < Spirit532> and it's not electrical.
2016-11-25T18:49:14 < zyp> sure?
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2016-11-25T18:49:18 < Spirit532> just checked
2016-11-25T18:49:22 < Spirit532> and the traces go nowhere else
2016-11-25T18:49:31 < Spirit532> controller - via - sensor
2016-11-25T18:49:35 < Spirit532> almost straight across
2016-11-25T18:49:43 < zyp> so anyway, problem is that the slave is not sending data properly then
2016-11-25T18:49:50 < zyp> what are you doing with CS?
2016-11-25T18:50:11 < Spirit532> setting it as required
2016-11-25T18:50:15 < Spirit532> low, then read, then high
2016-11-25T18:51:02 < zyp> and the slave is not driving MISO properly?
2016-11-25T18:51:08 < Spirit532> is it not?
2016-11-25T18:51:16 < zyp> I'm asking you
2016-11-25T18:51:16 < Spirit532> I'm really not sure if it is
2016-11-25T18:51:19 < Spirit532> how can I check?
2016-11-25T18:51:20 < zyp> how would I know?
2016-11-25T18:51:31 < zyp> okay, back up a bit
2016-11-25T18:51:40 < Spirit532> there appear to be *something* going on on MISO
2016-11-25T18:51:40 < zyp> you were talking about checking stuff with the scope
2016-11-25T18:51:43 < Spirit532> yeah
2016-11-25T18:51:47 < Spirit532> it's almost noise
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2016-11-25T18:51:59 < zyp> could be crosstalk from SCK
2016-11-25T18:52:02 < Spirit532> and when I zoom out, it looks like a peak detector
2016-11-25T18:52:14 < zyp> that's typical for crosstalk
2016-11-25T18:52:15 < Spirit532> goes high with some funny stuff on the rising edge
2016-11-25T18:52:18 < Spirit532> and then droops slowly
2016-11-25T18:52:46 < Spirit532> can it be that bad?
2016-11-25T18:52:52 < Spirit532> MISO and CLK are running parallel
2016-11-25T18:52:57 < zyp> that sounds like crosstalk on a floating line, which again sounds like a CS issue
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2016-11-25T18:53:11 < Spirit532> so I could be not setting CS properly
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2016-11-25T18:53:20 < zyp> crosstalk is pretty harmless, problem is nothing else is driving MISO
2016-11-25T18:53:34 < zyp> so MISO is just an antenna picking up crosstalk
2016-11-25T18:53:43 < karlp> how are you setting CS?
2016-11-25T18:53:45 < zyp> that's my guess, yes
2016-11-25T18:53:50 < Spirit532> but why is it at VDD?
2016-11-25T18:53:55 < karlp> are you failing in the NSS stm32 trap of CS not being what you think it is?
2016-11-25T18:54:07 < Spirit532> I do not know of such a trap
2016-11-25T18:54:10 < Spirit532> explain
2016-11-25T18:54:16 < zyp> pastebin your gpio config code
2016-11-25T18:54:22 < zyp> also the code setting CS high and low
2016-11-25T18:54:55 < Spirit532> I'm using a library to do all of my GPIO, and the rest work
2016-11-25T18:55:00 < Spirit532> let me re-check that CS is there
2016-11-25T18:55:14 < zyp> pastebin your code invoking that lib
2016-11-25T18:56:00 < Spirit532> whoah, what the hell
2016-11-25T18:56:03 < Spirit532> CS is jumping up and down
2016-11-25T18:56:10 < Spirit532> that should NOT be happening
2016-11-25T18:56:56 < karlp> are you the guy that got fed up with st code and started using some random dude's collectioin of c++ stuff?
2016-11-25T18:57:05 < zyp> haha
2016-11-25T18:57:06 < Spirit532> yes, some of it
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2016-11-25T18:57:18 < Spirit532> and all of it works, all of the libs I'm using
2016-11-25T18:57:21 < Spirit532> on other parts of the circuit
2016-11-25T18:57:25 < karlp> except the bit that you're using right now?
2016-11-25T18:57:56 < Spirit532> which also works elsewhere
2016-11-25T18:58:18 < zyp> Spirit532, so anyway, can I see that gpio setup code?
2016-11-25T18:58:19 < Laurenceb> https://i.redditmedia.com/ncvnq-9p0rFrMXeJFpNCkwgWxvXEMwytu4FNf9MQlb8.jpg?w=640&s=033c5106f238f5896cdb94148f23d6fa
2016-11-25T18:58:58 < Spirit532> zyp, sure, though now that appears to be working
2016-11-25T18:58:58 < Spirit532> hold on
2016-11-25T18:59:43 < Spirit532> there it is
2016-11-25T18:59:44 < Spirit532> https://i.spirit.re/mrRfR.txt
2016-11-25T18:59:57 < karlp> Spirit532: so, is it now working?
2016-11-25T19:00:02 < Spirit532> CS is
2016-11-25T19:00:02 < karlp> it's hard to help when things change all the time
2016-11-25T19:00:04 < zyp> Spirit532, not that, the code calling that
2016-11-25T19:00:22 < zyp> oh, first line
2016-11-25T19:00:23 < zyp> disregard
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2016-11-25T19:00:46 < zyp> that's fine I guess
2016-11-25T19:00:54 < Spirit532> hold on a second
2016-11-25T19:00:56 < Spirit532> what the fuck
2016-11-25T19:01:06 < Spirit532> I'm setting CS low, but it's staying hig
2016-11-25T19:01:16 < Spirit532> huh.
2016-11-25T19:02:57 < Spirit532> yeah I've no idea what the fuck is going on there
2016-11-25T19:03:06 < Spirit532> I'm telling it to go low, but it is not.
2016-11-25T19:03:38 < zyp> maybe you've got an electrical issue on your board after all
2016-11-25T19:06:06 < Spirit532> I'm not sure...
2016-11-25T19:08:51 < Spirit532> yeah the pin is either entirely unresponsive or something is wrong electrically
2016-11-25T19:09:00 < Spirit532> but I swear, I fucking swear I had it wiggle earlier.
2016-11-25T19:09:23 < zyp> that's pretty irrelevant
2016-11-25T19:10:20 < Spirit532> yeah now this is odd
2016-11-25T19:10:26 < Spirit532> it's not shorted to 2.8
2016-11-25T19:10:46 < Spirit532> let me check again
2016-11-25T19:12:42 < Spirit532> code doesn't change anything
2016-11-25T19:12:46 < Spirit532> something is really seriously wrong
2016-11-25T19:12:50 < Spirit532> perhaps the pin is cooked?
2016-11-25T19:15:19 < Spirit532> should I go for a hardware NSS signal?
2016-11-25T19:15:24 < zyp> no.
2016-11-25T19:15:28 < zyp> there is none
2016-11-25T19:15:44 < zyp> hardware NSS is strictly useful only for slave
2016-11-25T19:15:49 < Spirit532> ah
2016-11-25T19:16:06 < Spirit532> well, I guess I can just sever the trace and reroute it to another pin
2016-11-25T19:16:15 < zyp> which is the trap karlp were talking about earlier
2016-11-25T19:17:06 < Spirit532> actually, before I do that
2016-11-25T19:17:15 < Spirit532> do gpio speed settings matter?
2016-11-25T19:17:35 < zyp> in this context they shouldn't
2016-11-25T19:18:47 < Spirit532> just pulled the sensor out
2016-11-25T19:18:49 < Spirit532> it's not the sensor's fault
2016-11-25T19:18:51 < Spirit532> my hardware it is.
2016-11-25T19:20:18  * karlp is surprised
2016-11-25T19:20:27 < karlp> omg
2016-11-25T19:20:35 < Spirit532> again, there's NOTHING that should be a problem
2016-11-25T19:20:39 < Spirit532> it's *just a trace*
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2016-11-25T19:42:22 < BrainDamage> https://i.imgur.com/h8MN4Ou.jpg
2016-11-25T19:43:13 < Laurenceb> https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.0
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2016-11-25T19:45:44 < Laurenceb> https://ibb.co/g2gkrF
2016-11-25T19:45:47 < wanderman> hello
2016-11-25T19:46:05 < wanderman> Laurenceb,  can i know your professional qualification ?
2016-11-25T19:46:13 < wanderman> if you don't mind,
2016-11-25T19:46:46 < wanderman> i found, jpa-  has done Msc in Engineering
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2016-11-25T19:49:36 < wanderman> ARM has launched ARM accredicted Engineer 
2016-11-25T19:50:38 < wanderman> i think, that is better way to standarize professnality in embedded system.
2016-11-25T19:51:35 < Spirit532> bodge complete
2016-11-25T19:51:37 < Spirit532> grrrrr
2016-11-25T19:51:56 < Spirit532> so fucking nerve racking, soldering within a centimeter of a $280 device
2016-11-25T19:52:54 < Spirit532> Laurenceb, the flat earth society has members all around the globe :)
2016-11-25T19:52:59 < jpa-> wanderman: and what qualifications do you have?
2016-11-25T19:53:32 < wanderman> I have complete City and Guilds Advanced Diploma in Engineering , UK
2016-11-25T19:53:37 < wanderman> :) jpa- 
2016-11-25T19:54:00 < wanderman> i'm not that educated man, i am fan of electronics since childhood.
2016-11-25T19:54:19 < englishman> i have a subway club card with 8/10 stamps
2016-11-25T19:54:31 < wanderman> :D
2016-11-25T19:54:46 < Spirit532> okay, bodge works
2016-11-25T19:54:48 < Spirit532> ish
2016-11-25T19:54:52 < Spirit532> now let's actually init the pin
2016-11-25T19:55:09 < englishman> The ARM Accredited Engineer and ARM Accredited Microcontroller Engineer qualification exams are no longer available.
2016-11-25T19:55:11 < englishman> guess not
2016-11-25T19:56:22 < wanderman> i see.
2016-11-25T19:56:43 < Spirit532> zyp, karlp - be surprised
2016-11-25T19:56:48 < Spirit532> the fucking pin WAS cooked
2016-11-25T19:56:54 < Spirit532> the new bodge works perfectly
2016-11-25T19:57:03 < Spirit532> now let's try getting data out...
2016-11-25T19:57:30 < wanderman> yeah, lets make zombie walk
2016-11-25T19:58:32 < karlp> ok, beer and solder time
2016-11-25T19:59:23 < englishman> dont forget the brennivin
2016-11-25T19:59:31 < Spirit532> well WHADDAYA FUCKING KNOW
2016-11-25T19:59:33 < Spirit532> DATA OUT
2016-11-25T19:59:34 < Spirit532> bits too
2016-11-25T19:59:37 < Spirit532> tons of fun bits
2016-11-25T19:59:38 < Spirit532> best bits ever
2016-11-25T20:00:02 < Spirit532> lesson learned, check for dead pins before checking for other bullshit
2016-11-25T20:00:05 < Spirit532> thanks for the help.
2016-11-25T20:00:30 < wanderman> Spirit532,  check for what ?
2016-11-25T20:00:37 < Spirit532> wanderman, dead pins
2016-11-25T20:00:49 < Spirit532> the chip select pin I was using on my f401 was deda
2016-11-25T20:00:50 < wanderman> unused pins supposed to pull up or pull downed
2016-11-25T20:00:51 < Spirit532> dead*
2016-11-25T20:00:59 < Spirit532> it doesn't really matter
2016-11-25T20:01:08 < Spirit532> mine are just floating
2016-11-25T20:01:10 < Spirit532> because.
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2016-11-25T20:02:11 < wanderman> no floating CMOS pins,
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2016-11-25T20:02:39 < wanderman> but, i have forgot the reason :P
2016-11-25T20:02:51 < wanderman> picking noises and changes internal states , i guess
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2016-11-25T20:07:23 < Spirit532> wanderman, yeah
2016-11-25T20:07:26 < Spirit532> but I don't *really* care
2016-11-25T20:08:25 < Spirit532> in the very final revision I will ground all unused pins
2016-11-25T20:08:33 < Spirit532> but in this case, it really helps to not ground them, in case I need to bodge
2016-11-25T20:08:42 < Spirit532> and so far I've had to bodge quite a number of pins.
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2016-11-25T20:10:50 < wanderman> i see, i don't understand what you mean by bodge , as i'm not fluent english.
2016-11-25T20:11:38 < Spirit532> do something not in the design
2016-11-25T20:11:42 < Spirit532> (reroute pins, etc)
2016-11-25T20:12:35 < wanderman> i see, ok
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2016-11-25T20:18:44 < englishman> so this ws2812bmini and clone sk6812mini are completely different pinouts
2016-11-25T20:18:45 < englishman> thats lame
2016-11-25T20:22:27 < blacktronics> englishman: sk6812mini supposedly have heat issues and fail fairly quickly
2016-11-25T20:22:36 < englishman> nice
2016-11-25T20:23:03 < blacktronics> SK6812 RGBWW though are amazing
2016-11-25T20:23:11 < englishman> yeah they look cool
2016-11-25T20:23:30 < blacktronics> I bought 5m of the 30led/m stuff 
2016-11-25T20:23:38 < blacktronics> was amazed, bought another 10m
2016-11-25T20:30:15 < karlp> theyre the much higher freq version of ws2812 right?
2016-11-25T20:32:21 < karlp> fuck I love watching things reflow
2016-11-25T20:32:38 < karlp> Iguess because I don't do it very often :)
2016-11-25T20:33:58 < aandrew> I haven't used the RGBW version. I do have 1500 of the RGB SK6812minis
2016-11-25T20:34:39 < aandrew> bodge essentially means hack ;-)
2016-11-25T20:34:41 < aandrew> er :-)
2016-11-25T20:36:42 < Rob235> they are higher frequency? what are the timings?
2016-11-25T20:39:09 < karlp> and.... the building smoek detector has gone off
2016-11-25T20:39:35 < Rob235> sucks
2016-11-25T20:40:29 < blacktronics> Rob235: timings are the same iirc, the internal pwm is higher though, like, 1kHz IIRC
2016-11-25T20:42:50 < Rob235> any reason? never had a problem with the 800kHz (I'm assuming you meant 1MHz?)
2016-11-25T20:43:06 < Rob235> or am I thinking about this wrong
2016-11-25T20:59:16 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/61272e94e50e0621963a3139c0fdb918407b00ce5954f82ec2e64ee9751a2cae.jpg
2016-11-25T21:04:41 < Laurenceb> http://s1.b3ta.com/host/creative/13/1479938102/bluetube.jpg
2016-11-25T21:06:39 < Laurenceb> http://i.imgur.com/iJxCaW4.jpg
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2016-11-25T21:13:07 < blacktronics> Rob235: nah, the drive frequency for the LED itself is higher, the data clock is still 800kHz
2016-11-25T21:14:24 < blacktronics> is CMSIS not available for the L476RG? 
2016-11-25T21:22:43 < englishman> do you mean stdperiphlib, L4 is HAL-only isnt it
2016-11-25T21:23:26 < englishman> if you just want cmsis header, it's in the hal
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2016-11-25T22:11:07 < blacktronics> englishman: I am trying to get this https://stm32f4-discovery.net/2015/05/library-62-fast-fourier-transform-fft-for-stm32f4xx/ working on a Nucleo-L476RG
2016-11-25T22:11:16 < blacktronics> englishman: I have no idea what I am doing, am I SOL?
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2016-11-25T22:20:37 < Rob235> nice, china used crispr in humans
2016-11-25T22:20:38 < karlp> blacktronics: cmsis-dsp?
2016-11-25T22:24:32 < englishman> yeah i dont really see the problem
2016-11-25T22:24:50 < englishman> you have to link against cmsis yeah
2016-11-25T22:25:11 < englishman> it doesnt look like it needs any peripheral stuff at all
2016-11-25T22:25:49 < Spirit532> englishman, blacktronics, it depends on the arm DSP stuff
2016-11-25T22:25:56 < Spirit532> it's in CMSIS
2016-11-25T22:26:01 < Spirit532> but not in CMSIS selectables
2016-11-25T22:26:06 < englishman> hm
2016-11-25T22:27:38 < blacktronics> platformIO told me my board is not CMSIS compatible when I tried to flash CMSIS blink
2016-11-25T22:27:41 < karlp> the fuck is that TM_shit?
2016-11-25T22:27:50 < englishman> karlp: his own libs
2016-11-25T22:27:56 < karlp> someone just wrapped perfectly good arm cmsis-dsp in some layer of undocumented shit?
2016-11-25T22:28:25 < karlp> what on earth was wrong with the original dsp code?!
2016-11-25T22:28:56  * blacktronics is confused
2016-11-25T22:29:25 < karlp> blacktronics: do you have any particular reason to be using that person's libraries?
2016-11-25T22:30:57 < blacktronics> no
2016-11-25T22:31:06 < karlp> blacktronics: http://www.keil.com/pack/doc/CMSIS/DSP/html/index.html is the full docs for the existing cmsis-dsp routines that person is wrapping 
2016-11-25T22:31:08 < blacktronics> It is like, the first result when you google STM32 FFT
2016-11-25T22:31:10 < englishman> cam confirm stm32l4 cubehal includes cmsis-dsp
2016-11-25T22:31:20 < karlp> so just use the plain cmsis-dsp
2016-11-25T22:32:42 < blacktronics> I have no clue how to do FFT
2016-11-25T22:34:44 < karlp> http://www.keil.com/pack/doc/CMSIS/DSP/html/group__groupTransforms.html has what you need.
2016-11-25T22:34:45 < englishman> dammit Laurenceb http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/probe-launched-over-racist-pakemon-stickers-featuring-sadiq-khan-found-in-tube-station-a3405196.html
2016-11-25T22:35:32 < blacktronics> still in a csgo game, can't launch atom or powershell will get me kicked due to vac authentication error, gimme a sec to finish the match
2016-11-25T22:35:53 < karlp> you're chatting, like it's going to make any fucking difference to your game :)
2016-11-25T22:38:35 < blacktronics> yeah we are deleting them
2016-11-25T22:39:47 < karlp> also, well fuck.  managed to completely fuck up some polygons in gerber export.
2016-11-25T22:39:54 < blacktronics> rip
2016-11-25T22:40:00 < karlp> christmas presents are looking pretty dire on timing at this point,
2016-11-25T22:40:04 < karlp> not sure how these can be rescued.
2016-11-25T22:40:15 < englishman> dhl to teh rescue
2016-11-25T22:41:52 < karlp> yeah, getting a bit fucking close but :(
2016-11-25T22:42:27 < englishman> you might have to go out and buy presents like a normal person :(
2016-11-25T22:43:29 < BrainDamage> amazon prime here delivers the day after for some things
2016-11-25T22:43:58 < karlp> BrainDamage: for new pcbs for me?
2016-11-25T22:44:40 < BrainDamage> oh, sorry,misunderstood
2016-11-25T22:44:57 < BrainDamage> maybe amazon should start a pcb service
2016-11-25T22:45:19 < BrainDamage> so you can have something useful along the bag of smas and stroopwaffles
2016-11-25T22:45:54 < blacktronics> I like this channel
2016-11-25T22:45:56 < blacktronics> premium banter
2016-11-25T22:46:08 < karlp> on the "bright" side, at least it's my own mistake?
2016-11-25T22:46:18 < karlp> and it would let me fix another error ;)
2016-11-25T22:46:35 < karlp> just need to the try and verify that _everything_ else is ok :)
2016-11-25T22:47:07 < karlp> it's a bit fucked, I must have lsot something in a save, I remember changing all the attributes on these polys to keep them separate, 
2016-11-25T22:47:22 < karlp> loaded it all back up again, and eagles like, "yo dude, these polys overlap!"
2016-11-25T22:48:09 < englishman> >eagle
2016-11-25T22:48:14 < englishman> >fucked up design
2016-11-25T22:48:16 < englishman> say it aint so
2016-11-25T22:49:43 < karlp> eagle or kicad man, and I've nto used kicad in far too long
2016-11-25T22:51:29 < englishman> why are you racist against dicktrace
2016-11-25T22:51:55 < karlp> I'm one of those lunix OPs
2016-11-25T22:52:19 < englishman> it runs on lunix
2016-11-25T22:52:21 < BrainDamage> relevant: https://i.imgur.com/h8MN4Ou.jpg
2016-11-25T22:52:23 < englishman> you just have to install windows
2016-11-25T22:52:30 < englishman> its a little like recompiling kernel, but faster
2016-11-25T22:52:33 < karlp> I'm planning on moving to kikecad next, but was plnning to get this damn project out first
2016-11-25T22:52:49 < karlp> recompiling kernels, hah, like I'd ever do that....
2016-11-25T22:53:10 < karlp> BrainDamage: :)
2016-11-25T22:53:47 < blacktronics> we accidentally won 16-5 even though we tried our best not to
2016-11-25T22:54:15 < englishman> https://youtu.be/d85p7JZXNy8?t=1m25s
2016-11-25T22:55:27 < PaulFertser> Gentoo at least gives you that option to install -9999 of certain packages. Most other systems do not allow you to run bleeding edge this way.
2016-11-25T22:55:59 < PaulFertser> Really, Gentoo is not too bad maintenance-wise, especially if you do not tweak too much USE flags.
2016-11-25T22:56:14 < PaulFertser> (tht's regarding BrainDamage's pic)
2016-11-25T23:02:05 < blacktronics> reminds me of that time when we hosted Twitch Installs Arch Linux and some guys just installed Gentoo
2016-11-25T23:02:12 < blacktronics> good times
2016-11-25T23:03:12 < blacktronics> much preferred the part where they installed windows XP though and replaced the Start text with Kappa
2016-11-25T23:03:16 < blacktronics> though
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2016-11-25T23:21:01 < Steffanx>  Mrs. Black wrote a great song about this day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0  \o/
2016-11-25T23:33:09 < upgrdman> what an aweful sontg
2016-11-25T23:33:16 < upgrdman> is it a parody or someshit
2016-11-25T23:33:48 < Steffanx> It's the one and only real one afaik.
2016-11-25T23:34:39 < Kliment> karlp: kicad, but make sure to grab the nightly rather than the ancient version that your distro has
2016-11-25T23:34:56 < fest> second that
2016-11-25T23:35:12 < Kliment> karlp: It's gotten shockingly good
2016-11-25T23:36:13 < Kliment> karlp: If wish it had backannotation and a better footprint workflow, but that's literally all I can complain about
2016-11-25T23:37:22 < BrainDamage> my distro packages 4.0.4 but i wouldn't call it shockingly good, it's a gigantic improvment from the past, but it still has somewhat awkward workflow
2016-11-25T23:38:01 < Kliment> BrainDamage: I feel the same but I think it's just that I'm damaged by using Eagle's workflow for too long
2016-11-25T23:38:19 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Because watching people who never used either before, they seem to struggle equally much
2016-11-25T23:40:39 < BrainDamage> at least now the cvpcb does jump to the selected component, before disambiguating components to chose package was horrible
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2016-11-25T23:47:00 < Thorn> using signal generator to power a circuit: achievement unlocked
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2016-11-25T23:59:46 < englishman> whats hippity-happening R2COM 
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2016-11-26T00:01:21 < englishman> upgrdman is too young to remeber the internet 5 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_(Rebecca_Black_song)
2016-11-26T00:02:37 < upgrdman> lol
2016-11-26T00:03:59 < upgrdman> is rebecca noteworthy, or just some random fuck on youtube
2016-11-26T00:04:22 < englishman> well
2016-11-26T00:04:23 < englishman> that one video
2016-11-26T00:04:34 < englishman> has 1.5x as many views as eevblag's 1k+ videos put together
2016-11-26T00:04:52 < englishman> you decide
2016-11-26T00:05:11 < upgrdman> well ya
2016-11-26T00:05:17 < upgrdman> but is she a one-shit-wonder?
2016-11-26T00:05:38 < englishman> as much as tay zonday
2016-11-26T00:05:39 < englishman> yea
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2016-11-26T00:07:28 < englishman> too much internet for that poor lil guy in one day
2016-11-26T00:07:50 < englishman> the reddit generation dont know what memes really are
2016-11-26T00:12:53 < fest> Thorn: there's another achievement of using scope probe from signal generator to low impedance input
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2016-11-26T01:21:47 < laurence_> ick
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2016-11-26T01:49:06 < englishman> https://holidayhole.com/
2016-11-26T01:54:25 < Laurenceb_> this sounds wrong
2016-11-26T01:54:37 < Laurenceb_> holiday to Fritzl bunker?
2016-11-26T01:55:25 < Laurenceb_> holiday to Goatse guys colon? 
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2016-11-26T02:47:31 < Thorn> dave does nixie tubes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uogKucrPks
2016-11-26T02:49:02 < Laurenceb_> progressive metal
2016-11-26T02:49:09  * Laurenceb_ earbleach
2016-11-26T02:59:52 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KUX8EWxmS3k
2016-11-26T02:59:58 < Laurenceb_> full retard the interview
2016-11-26T03:04:47 < blacktronics> karlp: you still about?
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2016-11-26T03:58:35 < Thorn> https://www.udemy.com/courses/ $100-$200 courses for $15 
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2016-11-26T04:04:21 < upgrdman> fucking Adobe Premiere. input video clips = 5GB ... estimate output file size = 81GB
2016-11-26T04:08:22 < upgrdman> lol http://i.imgur.com/cGc7qSy.gifv
2016-11-26T04:09:14 < upgrdman> lolwut  https://i.redd.it/mrl590nuptzx.jpg
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2016-11-26T04:21:13 < dongs> paki courses
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2016-11-26T05:56:03 < ohsix> sup
2016-11-26T05:57:13 < ohsix> upgrdman: wtf is the boot for
2016-11-26T06:00:39 < ohsix> Kliment: used pronterface a bit again today :D
2016-11-26T06:00:40 < ohsix> it is handy
2016-11-26T06:01:11 < ohsix> the 'shop' uses cura or whatever and it's easier to plug it into laptop to move it around / do maint & filament swaps and stuff
2016-11-26T06:02:41 < ohsix> i'm passively picking up enough gcode to do stuff by hand soon enough tho ;D
2016-11-26T06:06:25 < ohsix> i'm the only person in the place that can operate it regularly, and there's a ton of filament. need to build my own
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2016-11-26T06:10:52 < ohsix> There are two Chapo shows released per week: one free for public consumption on SoundCloud, another available only to people who pay $5 per month through the Chapo Trap House Patreon. Nearly 4,000 people currently do this (including me), netting the show $17,328 a month from subscriptions alone. 
2016-11-26T06:11:21 < ohsix> patron shit is nuts, there are personalities that can get like 10k/mo just on creative content
2016-11-26T06:11:50 < aandrew> hahaha
2016-11-26T06:12:02 < aandrew> all my breadboards from when I was a kid have damage caused by that
2016-11-26T06:13:07 < ohsix> by what
2016-11-26T06:13:11 < ohsix> oh
2016-11-26T06:13:17 < ohsix> k yea planning on watching that later
2016-11-26T06:13:50 < ohsix> i think i have one i did that in, it seemed fine huhu
2016-11-26T06:13:58 < ohsix> i need to get that blue tack junk people seem to use
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2016-11-26T07:09:01 < ohsix> https://quickdraw.withgoogle.com/ here's how we train the death machines
2016-11-26T07:11:14 < aandrew>  I wonder how many dicks it's seen
2016-11-26T07:12:15 < ohsix> haha
2016-11-26T07:12:23 < ohsix> that reminds me, i need to get a tablet
2016-11-26T07:25:15 < ohsix> hm
2016-11-26T07:25:39 < ohsix> i wonder if theres' been any research into using touchpads as stroke-input devices, like controlling a pen with some ballistics
2016-11-26T07:26:10 < ohsix> not 1:1 but something you'd maybe rapidly stroke to move a thing around
2016-11-26T07:26:29 < ohsix> you can almost do a plausible signature with your finger on the average trackpad
2016-11-26T07:42:30 < ohsix> https://www.mencom.com/ hurr, names of things
2016-11-26T07:42:49 < ohsix> zyp / aandrew / contractor doodz, did you form an llc for your biz crap?
2016-11-26T07:42:53 < ohsix> or do you get personal invoices
2016-11-26T07:43:02 < ohsix> get/do
2016-11-26T07:43:48 < zyp> I've registered a sole proprietorship
2016-11-26T07:44:43 < ohsix> hm
2016-11-26T07:44:50 < ohsix> k i guess i'll have to look into benefits and junk
2016-11-26T07:45:08 < ohsix> didn't actually want to pelt people with questions if they said yes huhuhu
2016-11-26T07:45:09 < zyp> well, different countries have different legislation
2016-11-26T07:46:18 < zyp> the thing I have is legally equivalent to me personally, so there's no limited liability
2016-11-26T07:46:28 < ohsix> rite
2016-11-26T07:46:45 < zyp> I could have done without, but it gives me a business number and a better way to handle accounting
2016-11-26T07:46:49 < zyp> and it's free to register
2016-11-26T07:46:49 < ohsix> need to find a bank too, can probably leech some info out of them :>
2016-11-26T07:48:12 < ohsix> i kind of want to keep monies separate and related to the biz so i don't dip into it
2016-11-26T07:48:49 < zyp> yeah, in that case you need something with legal separation
2016-11-26T07:49:37 < ohsix> and basically if i spent from that account and it was for legit business expense i can just flip the report into tax stuff
2016-11-26T07:50:15 < ohsix> can do that with just a regular account i guess
2016-11-26T07:50:22 < zyp> yeah, that's what I did
2016-11-26T07:50:42 < zyp> I set up a regular bank account for the business, but I'm not really using that a lot
2016-11-26T07:50:51 < ohsix> mind if i ask how much biz you do in a year?
2016-11-26T07:51:22 < zyp> negligible
2016-11-26T07:51:27 < ohsix> huhuh
2016-11-26T07:52:10 < ohsix> ya i dunno if i'll even get more work (with these chaps) but if i figure out the invoice and business stuff i can ask for money professionally and offer services explicitly
2016-11-26T07:52:40 < ohsix> one of the other programmer guys was really confused when i said i don't like asking people for money, if something is easy
2016-11-26T07:52:59 < ohsix> lots of things i find easy are shit people pay for because they can't do it at all
2016-11-26T07:53:06 < ohsix> huhuhuh
2016-11-26T07:53:24 < ohsix> after i said that he got me tucked in with a project he was doing so i could get some monies
2016-11-26T07:54:31 < ohsix> k thanks for the info, may have more questions in the future
2016-11-26T07:54:33 < zyp> I think last years accounting had me like $3500 in plus
2016-11-26T07:54:34 < ohsix> bbiab
2016-11-26T07:54:39 < ohsix> nice
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2016-11-26T07:55:03 < zyp> so it's mostly a way to make the hobby self-financing
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2016-11-26T07:55:14 < ohsix> all i did was start going to meetups with some technical people and that tiny bit of networking got me a lot of crap to do
2016-11-26T07:55:20 < ohsix> yea, i'd like to do that
2016-11-26T07:55:45 < ohsix> i've been meaning to do a lot of stuff, but if i don't have money i just wait
2016-11-26T07:55:59 < ohsix> gonna be dead eventually, with a long list of shit i wanted to do :>
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2016-11-26T08:41:12 < ReadErr> ohsix: this searchparty show is odd
2016-11-26T08:41:36 < ReadErr> like, i have no idea where its going
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2016-11-26T09:10:59 < ohsix> castro died
2016-11-26T09:11:04 < ohsix> ReadErr: yea
2016-11-26T09:11:55 < ohsix> it is funny heh
2016-11-26T09:12:25 < ohsix> like, subtly funny, and like, in the characterization of the boyfriend and shit
2016-11-26T09:12:38 < ohsix> i'm not watching as close as i should D:
2016-11-26T09:13:02 < ohsix> i stopped in ep4 cuz i heard a Hundred Waters song and had to find which it is
2016-11-26T09:13:50 < ohsix> Down from the rafters
2016-11-26T09:14:27 < ohsix> i'm super excite for hearing something i don't know about already, cuz they're using like all of the music i dug a lot this year
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2016-11-26T09:36:06 < ohsix> twitter, man!
2016-11-26T09:36:47 < ohsix> hear or see some shit you like, the person is right there. you can say you do and get info from the source on new stuff
2016-11-26T09:40:12 < ohsix> https://flau.bandcamp.com/track/we-cant-stop during outro credits
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2016-11-26T11:02:13 < blacktronics> Hey...  Psst 
2016-11-26T11:02:25 < blacktronics> Anyone wanna check out my mixtape
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2016-11-26T11:04:17 < ReadErr> i only listen to drill music
2016-11-26T11:04:27 < ReadErr> how much murda is in it
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2016-11-26T11:09:56 < ReadError> moo: os: Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise - (10.0.14393) up: 9wks 6days 4hrs 57mins 22secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5820K CPU @ 3.30GHz (x64) at 3300MHz (17% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB -1.00MB res: 3840x2160 32bit 59Hz ram: 23464/65447MB (35.85%) [||||------] hdd: C:\ 104.02GB/237.92GB D:\ 411.12GB/931.39GB E:\ 134.59GB/465.63GB net: Intel[R] Ethernet Connection [2] 
2016-11-26T11:09:56 < ReadError> I218-V - 1000MB/s 684.6GB In 202.07GB Out
2016-11-26T11:10:07 < ReadError> such stability 
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2016-11-26T11:25:54 < ReadErr> lol I have a bug for tails OS
2016-11-26T11:26:01 < ReadErr> they have xmpp chat
2016-11-26T11:26:12 < ReadErr> but cant register cuz you need 2 invite codes for this riseup shit
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2016-11-26T11:31:08 < stvn> ~
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2016-11-26T12:21:27 < ReadErr> man all my youtube vids are taking longer to start
2016-11-26T12:21:30 < ReadErr> after hitting play
2016-11-26T12:22:44 < stvn> k
2016-11-26T12:25:29 < Steffanx> K
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2016-11-26T12:34:26 < stvn> wb Steffanx 
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2016-11-26T12:36:52 < Steffanx> I never left the builsing, you did.
2016-11-26T12:37:13 < stvn> lul
2016-11-26T12:38:37 < Steffanx> Dont call me that. (Fyi lul = dick in dutch ) :P
2016-11-26T12:39:58 < stvn> of course it does
2016-11-26T12:40:05 < stvn> hi Steffanx 
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2016-11-26T12:40:26 < Steffanx> Hello. How was your day?
2016-11-26T12:40:40 < stvn> pretty good
2016-11-26T12:40:42 < ReadErr> I learned the dick thing after I named one of my cloneboards 'lulfro'
2016-11-26T12:40:46 < ReadErr> so it was like a dickfro
2016-11-26T12:40:54 < stvn> indeed
2016-11-26T12:41:13 < stvn> visited family today
2016-11-26T12:41:16 < Steffanx> Is that a afro esc clone?
2016-11-26T12:41:27 < ReadErr> nah
2016-11-26T12:41:29 < Steffanx> So newest clone has a dick on it?
2016-11-26T12:41:35 < ReadErr> nahhhh 
2016-11-26T12:41:38 < ReadErr> this was forever ago
2016-11-26T12:41:41 < stvn> plz
2016-11-26T12:41:41 < Steffanx> :D
2016-11-26T12:41:44 < ReadErr> afro mini
2016-11-26T12:41:45 < Steffanx> Oh. 
2016-11-26T12:41:46 < ReadErr> cloned
2016-11-26T12:41:49 < ReadErr> but made much better
2016-11-26T12:41:54 < ReadErr> and smaller 
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2016-11-26T12:56:26 < stvn> https://youtu.be/L41ej3vHQT8?t=9m39s
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2016-11-26T12:59:49 < ReadErr> https://atom.io/packages/git-time-machine
2016-11-26T12:59:52 < ReadErr> this is neat
2016-11-26T13:01:27 < Steffanx> I never really liked atom. Still prefer sublime text.
2016-11-26T13:02:40 < ReadErr> eh yea ive used both 
2016-11-26T13:02:43 < ReadErr> sorta similar 
2016-11-26T13:02:48 < ReadErr> atom is atleast free
2016-11-26T13:03:03 < ReadErr> sublime just nags though right?
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2016-11-26T13:05:14 < Steffanx> I paid for it
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2016-11-26T13:10:41 < Steffanx> But yes it nags
2016-11-26T13:11:43 < stvn> pumping
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2016-11-26T13:24:28 < kakimir> http://m.imgur.com/gallery/DAs75ze
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2016-11-26T14:04:16 < kakimir> I need that schuko pass enclosure dudes
2016-11-26T14:04:32 < kakimir> can you help me find it?Å
2016-11-26T14:09:46 < kakimir> http://www.internationalconfig.com/icc6.asp?item=70165
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2016-11-26T14:10:51 < kakimir> I try to find it from ebay or mouser or any locally provided brand
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2016-11-26T14:33:40 < Kliment> kakimir: Does it have to be black?
2016-11-26T14:35:06 < Kliment> kakimir: There are a bunch of cheap radio-controlled switches that come in that form factor
2016-11-26T14:38:44 < Kliment> kakimir: Found this in a local shop http://www.conrad.biz/ce/de/product/520359/Stecker-Gehaeuse-121-x-66-x-55-Kunststoff-Grau-Strapubox-SG-1022-1-St?ref=searchDetail
2016-11-26T14:40:31 < Kliment> kakimir: Here's 2700 more http://www.conrad.biz/ce/de/Search.html?search=geh%C3%A4use+stecker&filterCategoryPathROOT=Elektromechanische+Bauelemente
2016-11-26T14:40:40 < Kliment> (prices are without VAT)
2016-11-26T14:41:30 < Kliment> Though apparently only 26 are what you want
2016-11-26T14:41:55 < Kliment> kakimir: http://www.conrad.biz/ce/de/Search.html?search=geh%C3%A4use+stecker&filterCategoryPathROOT%2FElektromechanische+Bauelemente%2FGeh%C3%A4use=Stecker-Geh%C3%A4use&filterCategoryPathROOT%2FElektromechanische+Bauelemente=Geh%C3%A4use&filterCategoryPathROOT=Elektromechanische+Bauelemente
2016-11-26T14:43:52 < kakimir> I'm not buying anything from .biz shops :]
2016-11-26T14:44:03 < Kliment> kakimir: Their consumer site is .de
2016-11-26T14:44:08 < Steffanx> its just conrad -_-
2016-11-26T14:44:32 < Kliment> kakimir: They use the .biz to show VAT-less prices for business customers
2016-11-26T14:44:44 < Kliment> kakimir: and that's the one I happen to have an account on
2016-11-26T14:44:48 < Steffanx> There is a finnish conrad too.
2016-11-26T14:44:50 < kakimir> ohh okay
2016-11-26T14:44:57 < Kliment> kakimir: http://www.conrad.biz/ce/de/product/522880/Stecker-Gehaeuse-52-x-67-x-112-ABS-Schwarz-Strapubox-SG-322B-1-St?ref=searchDetail
2016-11-26T14:45:01 < kakimir> will take look at it
2016-11-26T14:45:03 < Kliment> kakimir: This is the cheapest they have
2016-11-26T14:45:25 < kakimir> looks crappy
2016-11-26T14:45:33 < kakimir> I need solid shit
2016-11-26T14:45:37 < Kliment> kakimir: Of course. It's the cheapest they have
2016-11-26T14:45:46 < Kliment> kakimir: See the first one I linked for something more solid
2016-11-26T14:46:03 < kakimir> that one is like pretty
2016-11-26T14:46:07 < Steffanx> Just pick the product number and you'll find it here: http://www.conrad.com/ce/en/content/suomi/Finland
2016-11-26T14:46:23 < kakimir> thanks Steffanx
2016-11-26T14:46:32 < kakimir> how do you know this stuff Steffanx ?
2016-11-26T14:46:46 < Steffanx> Trail and error.
2016-11-26T14:46:54 < kakimir> I have never even heard of conrad
2016-11-26T14:46:55 < Steffanx> *trail
2016-11-26T14:47:12 < Steffanx> Conrad is german (afaik), but also well known in dutchland
2016-11-26T14:47:25 < Kliment> kakimir: Just like almost nobody outside .fi ever heard of verkkokauppa
2016-11-26T14:47:32 < Kliment> (are they still around?)
2016-11-26T14:47:53 < Steffanx> Hardly order there, because they tend to be expensive, even for te most basic components.
2016-11-26T14:48:54 < Steffanx> that's not fair Kliment. verkkokauppa is finland only isn't it?
2016-11-26T14:49:09 < Kliment> Conrad is great for plastic gearsets and pneumatic connectors
2016-11-26T14:49:28 < Steffanx> or maybe only around finland only.
2016-11-26T14:49:28 < Kliment> And their shipping boxes are amazing for storage
2016-11-26T14:49:43 < Steffanx> You mean those black boxes you have to pay extra for?
2016-11-26T14:49:46 < Kliment> Yep
2016-11-26T14:49:56 < Steffanx> Yes, i like those too.
2016-11-26T14:50:29 < Kliment> I love them, have a stack for various projects. I transport the workshop materials for stuff I teach in them too
2016-11-26T14:50:48 < Kliment> They also have decent prices for LED bulbs
2016-11-26T14:52:41 < Kliment> anyways, don't judge a site by its URL
2016-11-26T14:53:18 < Kliment> Some of the best pumpkin oils in Europe are at niggas.at
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2016-11-26T14:54:04 < Steffanx> site by dongs?
2016-11-26T14:57:43 < Kliment> Steffanx: No, that's the guy's actual name
2016-11-26T14:58:34 < Kliment> Steffanx: And no, it doesn't have wheremy. as a subdomain
2016-11-26T15:00:59 < blacktronics> karlp: you about?
2016-11-26T15:03:56 < stvn> \
2016-11-26T15:04:28 < karlp> what for?
2016-11-26T15:10:20 < blacktronics> the fft stuff
2016-11-26T15:10:38 < blacktronics> we ended up playing a few more matches last night while drinking excessively
2016-11-26T15:11:43 < karlp> was there a question I missed?
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2016-11-26T15:13:03 < blacktronics> no, but I will very likely have a few 
2016-11-26T15:14:06 < blacktronics> like, the function you linked me yesterday - how do I specify a frequency band?
2016-11-26T15:14:23 < karlp> you said you don't understand fft, so it doesn't really matter what code you try and use.
2016-11-26T15:15:52 < Kliment> FFT transforms (amplitude over time) to (amplitude over frequency) and places the values for each frequency into equal-sized bins
2016-11-26T15:16:04 < Kliment> So you need to find the bin it's put it in
2016-11-26T15:16:10 < Kliment> and use that value
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2016-11-26T15:16:25 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/7iReeO.jpg
2016-11-26T15:16:37 < karlp> Laurenceb_: you pasted that yesterday
2016-11-26T15:16:55 < Kliment> karlp: Yes but some people failed to click on it
2016-11-26T15:18:54 < Laurenceb_> https://sli.mg/a/cDanK7
2016-11-26T15:21:50 < Laurenceb_> url is literally dank
2016-11-26T15:22:18 < blacktronics> Kliment: yeah but, you figure out which bin is which by knowing what your frequency range is, and then dividing the size of that frequency band by the amount of bins, no?
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2016-11-26T15:36:59 < kakimir> I have never had this little hangover
2016-11-26T15:40:11 < kakimir> why you don't convert to islam Laurenceb_ ?
2016-11-26T15:40:20 < kakimir> I know you want
2016-11-26T15:40:24 < Laurenceb_> I know right
2016-11-26T15:40:28 < Laurenceb_> get to kill gays
2016-11-26T15:40:32 < Laurenceb_> rape women
2016-11-26T15:40:37 < Laurenceb_> its pretty cool shit
2016-11-26T15:40:39 < kakimir> or at least for all the lulz you get
2016-11-26T15:42:24 < kakimir> that's islamic state stuff - converting to islam is the first step on your jorney to it
2016-11-26T15:42:53 < BrainDamage> blacktronics: the upper bound for the frequency is always fck/2, changing the fft size only changes the amount of bins
2016-11-26T15:43:24 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F8mEQsXVkQ music times?
2016-11-26T15:44:26 < BrainDamage> and you can't have an exact matching for bins even if you carefully pick them, beause you're taking a finite amount of them therefore convolving with sinc in frequency ( and the windowing function tries to partially compensate this distortion )
2016-11-26T15:56:40 < blacktronics> BrainDamage: fck?
2016-11-26T15:57:13 < blacktronics> BrainDamage: yeah I only want to do audio visualization across 450 SK6812 RGBWW leds 
2016-11-26T15:57:21 < blacktronics> no need to be precise
2016-11-26T15:58:32 < BrainDamage> sampling clock frequency
2016-11-26T16:01:19 < blacktronics> so I need to sample at around 40kHz?
2016-11-26T16:01:49 < blacktronics> what happens if there is higher frequency noise on the line? does that affect the fft or is it irrelevant?
2016-11-26T16:02:58 < BrainDamage> if you want full 20kHz bandwith, then yes, > 40kHz, a bit more due to the finte filter slopes
2016-11-26T16:03:31 < BrainDamage> you're supposed to put an anti aliasing filter in front of the adc to chop off higher frequencies
2016-11-26T16:03:46 < BrainDamage> or they'll alias ( fold ) back into your bandwith
2016-11-26T16:04:15 < BrainDamage> there should be a ton of literature on this subject, it's really the basic of signal digitalization
2016-11-26T16:04:52 < blacktronics> I actually can process what you are saying though
2016-11-26T16:05:13 < BrainDamage> most audio files are either 44.1kHz or 48kHz fiy
2016-11-26T16:05:19 < blacktronics> When I tried reading up on the stuff earlier i just got brain damage 
2016-11-26T16:06:18 < Thorn> http://www.aes.org/technical/heyser/images/Julius-Smith.jpg is looking at you with a smirk
2016-11-26T16:06:47 < blacktronics> it's like "Oh hey, you are a pleb machinist person, HAVE A WALL OF COMPLEX NUMBER MATH"
2016-11-26T16:08:54 < Lux> or just go and copy someone else who allready did what you want to do
2016-11-26T16:09:12 < blacktronics> i kinda want to sort of understand what I am doing though
2016-11-26T16:09:29 < Lux> there are tons of projects in that direction out there
2016-11-26T16:09:36 < blacktronics> like, there is ignorant copy&paste pleb tier and there is send help pleb tier 
2016-11-26T16:09:37 < Lux> even with explanations
2016-11-26T16:09:49 < Lux> http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-Lights-react-to-Audio/?ALLSTEPS
2016-11-26T16:09:54 < Lux> first google hit
2016-11-26T16:13:09 < aandrew> Kliment / blacktronics: if you are looking to find amplitude of specific frequencies a Goertzel algo is the better choice over FFT
2016-11-26T16:13:43 < aandrew> in fact Goertzel is used extensively in DTMF detection for this specific reason. FFT gives you equally-sized, equally-spaced bins
2016-11-26T16:13:57 < BrainDamage> 450 leds doesn't sound like goertzel's scope
2016-11-26T16:13:57 < blacktronics> sounds german
2016-11-26T16:14:28  * blacktronics googles Goertzel
2016-11-26T16:15:53 < Thorn> use hadamard transform
2016-11-26T16:16:36 < blacktronics> Thorn: not sure if that suits my application, I am not running a matrix
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2016-11-26T16:19:35 < aandrew> BrainDamage: ahh, I missed that part of it
2016-11-26T16:19:50 < aandrew> yes that's a LOT of frequencies, and it also doesn't sound like he cares for specific frequencies if all he wants to do is a fancy light organ
2016-11-26T16:20:01 < aandrew> DFT is perfect ofr light organs
2016-11-26T16:30:03 < Laurenceb_> its all over
2016-11-26T16:30:04 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereIsAssange/comments/5eywq4/assange_interview_live_discussion_thread/
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2016-11-26T16:32:08 < Thorn> why would anyone use say a 12-bit, 200ksps ADC IC that costs more than many MCUs with better (at least as far as basic specs) ADC built in?
2016-11-26T16:33:19 < Laurenceb_> Thorn: why would anyone pay for a lottery ticket
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2016-11-26T16:34:58 < kakimir> Thorn: let's say fpga
2016-11-26T16:35:10 < kakimir> and you need shit tonne of adc
2016-11-26T16:37:34 < Thorn> mcu can provide e.g. a usb interface for the fpga, not just adc
2016-11-26T16:40:03 < kakimir> you don't need shitty interfacing in applications where you have a tonne of adc and fpga involved.. besides mcu has hard time even providing all ADC data
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2016-11-26T16:41:01 < Thorn> >12-bit, 200ksps
2016-11-26T16:42:55 < kakimir> it gets busy if there is anything involved in it other than shippin it out
2016-11-26T16:44:08 < kakimir> and you need to code it too, funk around with buggy peripherals etc.
2016-11-26T16:44:33 < karlp> Thorn: no good reasons, but I bet there are plenty of "business" reasons that come up here and tehre
2016-11-26T16:45:20 < kakimir> it all depends from what you are doing and how many
2016-11-26T16:45:35 < Thorn> imo cost should be a primary buisness reason
2016-11-26T16:45:57 < Thorn> one possible reason: mcu may not have fully differential inputs
2016-11-26T16:45:58 < karlp> cost of what though?
2016-11-26T16:46:13 < kakimir> Thorn: you are right
2016-11-26T16:46:16 < kakimir> cost
2016-11-26T16:46:47 < kakimir> some times it's more inexpensive to put 50% more expensive chip in
2016-11-26T16:47:05 < kakimir> or even 10times
2016-11-26T16:47:09 < kakimir> more expensive
2016-11-26T16:47:30 < kakimir> when you are doing small quantities and development costs shit
2016-11-26T16:49:13 < kakimir> you have 100units where you have 10eur chip instead of 1eur chip = 900eur difference
2016-11-26T16:49:30 < kakimir> how many days of engineering it pays?
2016-11-26T16:50:45 < aandrew> Thorn: full datasheet to both ADC in question and MCU with better ADC, pls
2016-11-26T16:50:57 < aandrew> Thorn: MANY times, the MCU ADC has better specs on paper but is noisy as hell
2016-11-26T16:51:12 < kakimir> and how much that costs in terms of project time
2016-11-26T16:51:27 < aandrew> any idiot can throw an 12-bit ADC on a die with an MCU but end up with 8 bits of usable data
2016-11-26T16:51:50 < kakimir> didn't someone here test it?
2016-11-26T16:52:01 < aandrew> I spent about 18mo on a microscopy project. Learned a *lot* about analog design and still feel I'm woefully uneducated on a lot of aspects of it
2016-11-26T16:52:02 < kakimir> and end up with 10.5bits of usable data
2016-11-26T16:52:06 < Thorn> this is standalone adc I'm looking at http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/ads7822.pdf
2016-11-26T16:52:10 < kakimir> after everything done
2016-11-26T16:52:29 < aandrew> the good news is that they smashed their old accuracy records due to that design, it was something pretty cool for me
2016-11-26T16:53:03 < aandrew> that's the ADC you were buying from aliexpress, yes?
2016-11-26T16:53:20 < Thorn> not me
2016-11-26T16:53:26 < aandrew> I'd be very curious to build a dozen boards with aliexpress ADCs and a dozen with official TI ADCs and see if there's a real difference
2016-11-26T16:53:43 < Thorn> microscopy as in SEM?
2016-11-26T16:54:10 < aandrew> Thorn: FIBs and SEMs yes
2016-11-26T16:54:45 < Thorn> cool
2016-11-26T16:55:32 < aandrew> hard to tell for sure but I *think* this uses the core I worked on: http://www.zeiss.com/microscopy/int/products/fib-sem-instruments/crossbeam.html
2016-11-26T16:55:38 < aandrew> crossbeam 540
2016-11-26T16:55:57 < aandrew> worked with a company in canada called Fibics who is the OEM for zeiss and a couple others
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2016-11-26T16:56:41 < kakimir> how many days of EE 1keur gives to company after all the necessary expences and basic facilities?
2016-11-26T16:57:18 < aandrew> hm?
2016-11-26T16:58:37 < aandrew> yeah I can't tell which zeiss product the control board is in. they don't exactly talk about that, their docs all talk about the beams and detectors and PC software
2016-11-26T16:59:11 < aandrew> but yeah pretty much designed a motherboard that distributes a gazillion LVDS signals and 8 clocks between an FPGA and the card slots
2016-11-26T17:00:09 < aandrew> card slots were for scan generators (3 DACs/axis), detector front ends (all analog processing of the raw detector output) or acquisition boards which were octal ADCs feeding data into the FPGA
2016-11-26T17:08:55 < emeb_mac> another in a long line of pointless kickstarters: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/881711362/iv-robotics-first-resistorsandcapacitor-adapted-to
2016-11-26T17:09:15 < emeb_mac> HEY PEOPLE - EVER HEARD OF THRU-HOLE PARTS?
2016-11-26T17:11:55 < karlp> wat
2016-11-26T17:15:53 < kakimir> makers use only tht
2016-11-26T17:16:10 < Thorn> it looks like onsemi discontinued all their to-92 bjts
2016-11-26T17:16:23 < Thorn> 2n5088/89 etc
2016-11-26T17:16:25 < blacktronics> oh man getting set up in this whole STM32 ecosystem is worse than I remember getting set up in Atmel Studio 4
2016-11-26T17:18:19 < emeb_mac> oh quit moaning. it's simple.
2016-11-26T17:18:59 < emeb_mac> toolchain + StdPeriph/HAL libraries + stlink. done.
2016-11-26T17:21:35 < englishman> Wat, atmel studio is great
2016-11-26T17:21:47 < englishman> almost as good as cube+keil
2016-11-26T17:22:37 < englishman> of course that was way before onchip debugging
2016-11-26T17:23:29 < englishman> and stm32 setup is a breeze
2016-11-26T17:23:59 < englishman> emeb_mac: note he simply complained instead of actually asking any questions. In ##stm32
2016-11-26T17:24:28 < emeb_mac> we're so mean here
2016-11-26T17:24:32 < englishman> Laurenceb_: you retard I linked pakémon to you 24hr ago
2016-11-26T17:24:51 < Laurenceb_> doh
2016-11-26T17:28:44 < aandrew> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH
2016-11-26T17:29:02 < aandrew> SMT components on tiny circuit boards with 0.100" pins
2016-11-26T17:29:04 < aandrew> what the actual FUCK
2016-11-26T17:35:25 < Laurenceb_> http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/100210862
2016-11-26T17:41:00 < Thorn> Switch L1 is replaced with a 1 terahenry inductor, and switch C1 is replaced with a 1 terafarad capacitor.
2016-11-26T17:45:44 < blacktronics> englishman: I AM CONFIDENT IN MYSELF
2016-11-26T17:46:21 < blacktronics> englishman: not giving up yet, I can do this on my own. I think.
2016-11-26T17:51:55 < Laurenceb_> if there are any ukfags in the channel
2016-11-26T17:51:57 < Laurenceb_> http://www.revk.uk/2015/11/home-office-ipbill.html?m=1
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2016-11-26T17:56:27 < Rob235> what does superconductivity allow?
2016-11-26T17:56:34 < kakimir> anyone up to helping me step by step making cmake marry to my eclipce visual c project?
2016-11-26T17:56:38 < blacktronics> low to no resistance, Rob235 
2016-11-26T17:56:54 < blacktronics> ideally no resistance at all (electrically
2016-11-26T17:57:06 < kakimir> Rob235: crazy powerful magnets
2016-11-26T17:57:20 < Thorn> permanent electromagnets
2016-11-26T17:57:36 < Rob235> permanent?
2016-11-26T17:57:38 < blacktronics> Superconductivity itself is the lack of any electrical resistance in a material
2016-11-26T17:57:39 < kakimir> that act also as a energy storage at the same time
2016-11-26T17:57:44 < Thorn> levitating island on pandora
2016-11-26T17:58:09 < kakimir> Rob235: closed loop electromagnet
2016-11-26T17:58:16 < blacktronics> Magnetic Flux Pinning is also fun
2016-11-26T17:58:18 < kakimir> *circuit
2016-11-26T17:58:34 < Rob235> hmm
2016-11-26T17:59:07 < Thorn> you can excite current once and it will run for years creating magnetic field
2016-11-26T17:59:18 < Rob235> I see
2016-11-26T17:59:43 < Thorn> used in MRI machines
2016-11-26T18:00:28 < Rob235> do MRIs use liquid nitrogen or something to cool them?
2016-11-26T18:01:28 < Thorn> https://youtu.be/wNBklSWAfx4?t=15s
2016-11-26T18:01:49 < BrainDamage> yes, supercondutors don't work at room temp
2016-11-26T18:01:54 < BrainDamage> it's a pipedream atm
2016-11-26T18:01:56 < Rob235> yet
2016-11-26T18:01:58 < Rob235> right
2016-11-26T18:03:08 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1GRJ_NyklY
2016-11-26T18:05:19 < BrainDamage> they don't even create the strongest magnetic field, they are just the most efficient
2016-11-26T18:11:04 < kakimir> if you integrate magnetic field over longer period of time than just a second it's easy winner
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2016-11-26T18:28:19 < Laurenceb_> MRI uses liquid helium atm
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2016-11-26T18:28:39 < Laurenceb_> some people seem to be working on HTS MRI with LN2
2016-11-26T18:28:50 < Laurenceb_> but aiui the peak field is lower
2016-11-26T18:29:26 < kakimir> cmake is shit
2016-11-26T18:29:28 < Laurenceb_> supposedly room temperature superconductivity exists
2016-11-26T18:29:38 < kakimir> whatever you do it tries to generate
2016-11-26T18:29:40 < Laurenceb_> but thats emdrive tier bantz
2016-11-26T18:30:07 < kakimir> try to configure - starts generating
2016-11-26T18:30:25 < kakimir> and messes with parameters
2016-11-26T18:31:05 < Laurenceb_> basically some crackpot dude made a setup that generates a chemical soup of a bazillion configurations of Type 2 superconductors
2016-11-26T18:31:28 < Laurenceb_> then uses magnetic probes to search for any room temperature superconductors
2016-11-26T18:31:53 < Laurenceb_> so in theory it tells him that a room temperature superconductor exists, but doesnt help any further
2016-11-26T18:32:15 < Laurenceb_> also the work was done by some emdrive level crazy guy
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2016-11-26T18:41:34 < englishman> ROFL emeb_mac 
2016-11-26T18:42:17 < englishman> you can do it blacktronics I belief in u
2016-11-26T18:43:12 < blacktronics> englishman: i am starting to think it is mostly platformIO being retarded 
2016-11-26T18:44:03 < kakimir> howe you detect room temperature superconductor Laurenceb_ ?
2016-11-26T18:44:16 < kakimir> and be certain about it?
2016-11-26T18:44:19 < Laurenceb_> magnetic field expulsion
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2016-11-26T18:44:41 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meissner_effect
2016-11-26T18:45:15 < blacktronics> englishman: thing is claiming CMSIS is not available for L476RG. The STM32Cube L4 package does contain a folder called CMSIS in drivers though
2016-11-26T18:49:57 < englishman> yeah that's not true tho
2016-11-26T18:50:14 < englishman> I even told you yesterday. Cmsis-dsp is included with hal
2016-11-26T18:50:38 < englishman> you're probably confusing the cmsis header with other shit
2016-11-26T18:51:04 < englishman> The chip would be pretty useless without a cmsis header. Arduino-useless
2016-11-26T18:53:17 < kakimir> okay now my cmake did succesfully something
2016-11-26T18:54:02 < kakimir> now I need to figure out next step
2016-11-26T18:55:44 < kakimir> okay well build button revealed that I need to import them generated files somehow
2016-11-26T19:01:22 < kakimir> it's easier to build shit for cortex micro and debug it than get this mess together and have windows hello world running
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2016-11-26T19:02:02 < kakimir> why I have to use CMAKE in the first place?
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2016-11-26T19:19:16 < kakimir> hmm
2016-11-26T19:19:59 < kakimir> this eclipse generated makefile tries to run /usr/bin/sh at some point
2016-11-26T19:20:05 < kakimir> problem is we are in windows
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2016-11-26T19:37:31 < Laurenceb_> is this 4 real?
2016-11-26T19:37:33 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1eiip8/secret_yellow_dots_that_every_color_printer_uses/?st=ivzhmc2n&sh=7980e484
2016-11-26T19:38:05 < Laurenceb_> I can easily find the stenography on banknotes, but no yellow dots to be found on any of the laser printers I've tried 
2016-11-26T19:38:29 < jpa-> Laurenceb_: it's true, atleast it's been talked about for years
2016-11-26T19:38:46 < Laurenceb_> yeah but how true...
2016-11-26T19:38:58 < Laurenceb_> tbh I've only used v high end work printers
2016-11-26T19:39:14 < Laurenceb_> maybe they removed it cuz it wrecks the quality
2016-11-26T19:39:18 < Tectu> to print all the shit you post to snail-mail it to people that don't IRC?
2016-11-26T19:39:35 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-11-26T19:40:10  * Laurenceb_ is very sceptical
2016-11-26T19:40:12 < Tectu> I can't imagine that the shit you print was high-quality in frist place :p
2016-11-26T19:40:22 < Tectu> sorry - mean troll mode.
2016-11-26T19:40:23 < Tectu> love you :*
2016-11-26T19:40:24 < Laurenceb_> it was ubuntu test pages :P
2016-11-26T19:40:28 < Tectu> lol
2016-11-26T19:40:36 < Laurenceb_>  "test printer"
2016-11-26T19:40:55 < Laurenceb_> from one of my work machines I can access all UK NHS printers
2016-11-26T19:40:58 < Laurenceb_> joke is on them
2016-11-26T19:41:02 < jpa-> can't see dots on my prints, though
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2016-11-26T19:41:21 < Laurenceb_> jpa-: yeah I've _never_ seen this irl
2016-11-26T19:41:38 < Laurenceb_> and done lots of high detail laser prints where I would have seen it
2016-11-26T19:42:03 < Laurenceb_> also abused printers to print on plastic film etc where it would be v obvious
2016-11-26T19:42:21 < jpa-> a bit hard to check though because my paper is recycled.. looks like it has small yellow and blue and black flakes all over :P
2016-11-26T19:42:33 < englishman> Laurenceb_: that's true, and old
2016-11-26T19:42:47 < jpa-> maybe it only does it for specific kinds of prints?
2016-11-26T19:43:14 < Laurenceb_> heh maybe it was turned off cuz it'd be too obvious
2016-11-26T19:43:30 < Laurenceb_> or GCHQ is trollin me
2016-11-26T19:43:38 < englishman> Laurenceb_: how fake was that asshenge interview yesterday
2016-11-26T19:43:46 < englishman> on a scale of 100% - 100%
2016-11-26T19:43:52 < Laurenceb_> haven't watched lol
2016-11-26T19:43:58 < englishman> nobody has
2016-11-26T19:44:02 < englishman> because there is nothing to watch
2016-11-26T19:44:03 < Laurenceb_> the subreddit seems to think its legit
2016-11-26T19:44:04 < englishman> audio only
2016-11-26T19:44:04 < Tectu> asshenge?
2016-11-26T19:44:07 < Laurenceb_> oh lol
2016-11-26T19:44:17 < englishman> refuses to actually authenticate himself
2016-11-26T19:44:18 < Laurenceb_> subreddit confirmed as shills
2016-11-26T19:44:19 < Laurenceb_>  :P
2016-11-26T19:44:27 < englishman> CEO modified posts of entire reddit
2016-11-26T19:44:29 < Laurenceb_> the wild ride continues
2016-11-26T19:44:34 < englishman> to make it seem asshenge is alive
2016-11-26T19:44:39 < englishman> Tectu: julian ass-henge
2016-11-26T19:44:51 < Laurenceb_> surely Arse-Henge
2016-11-26T19:44:58 < Laurenceb_> 4 britz
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2016-11-26T19:45:20 < englishman> culo-henge
2016-11-26T19:45:41 < englishman> i wonder if hes bothered to learn spanish
2016-11-26T19:45:51 < englishman> embassy ppl probably hate him now
2016-11-26T19:45:59 < englishman> at least snowden is rather mild-mannered
2016-11-26T19:46:22 < englishman> asshenge probably has to get his whores to cross the embassy border
2016-11-26T19:47:09 < Laurenceb_> haha ewwww
2016-11-26T19:47:29 < Laurenceb_> but there are probably enough fangirls to keep him happy
2016-11-26T19:48:07 < Laurenceb_> ur gonna get implants
2016-11-26T19:48:08 < Laurenceb_> http://rogers.matse.illinois.edu/files/2015/nbtoptogen.pdf
2016-11-26T19:48:42 < englishman> fucking cool
2016-11-26T19:48:42 < Laurenceb_> PETA made it as far as figure 1 f
2016-11-26T19:50:00 < englishman> so they take a led annd shove it up a mouses ass
2016-11-26T19:50:01 < englishman> science
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2016-11-26T19:52:00 < Laurenceb_> yup
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2016-11-26T20:12:08 < blacktronics> englishman: that is how they make optical mice
2016-11-26T20:14:59 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2016-11-26T20:16:11 < Rob235> If you oxygenated all of your blood, your red blood cells would be holding 25,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 oxygen atoms
2016-11-26T20:17:44 < blacktronics> that is an awfully precise number
2016-11-26T20:17:56 < Rob235> :)
2016-11-26T20:18:05 < Rob235> ok i'll add an about to the number
2016-11-26T20:18:43 < blacktronics> that is like 0.65 grams of oxygen
2016-11-26T20:18:58 < blacktronics> 0.041 ish moles
2016-11-26T20:19:02 < blacktronics> pretty swosh
2016-11-26T20:19:09 < Rob235> 5 liters of blood @ 250 million hemoglobin molecules per red blood cell @ 4 oxygen atoms per hemoglobin
2016-11-26T20:19:40 < Rob235> @ 5 million cells per microliter
2016-11-26T20:20:06 < blacktronics> is it time to make a _relevant as fuck_ infographic about this?
2016-11-26T20:20:24 < Rob235> yes!
2016-11-26T20:23:03 < blacktronics> I might be absolutely incapable of porting some random code for some nucleo board to run on my board, let alone setting up a dev environment properly 
2016-11-26T20:23:07 < blacktronics> but I can do graphics yo
2016-11-26T20:23:11 < blacktronics> on it
2016-11-26T20:23:43 < Rob235> what's your board?
2016-11-26T20:24:19 < englishman> dono man, to set up my dev environment i just run uv4.exe
2016-11-26T20:30:47 < blacktronics> Rob235: Nucleo-L476RG
2016-11-26T20:31:00 < Steffanx> Isn't uv5.exe hot englishman?
2016-11-26T20:31:44 < englishman> actually keil 5 is still uv4.exe
2016-11-26T20:31:50 < Steffanx> ah -_-
2016-11-26T20:34:16 < Rob235> blacktronics: what is the project you are working on?
2016-11-26T20:34:29 < blacktronics> "working on"
2016-11-26T20:34:33 < blacktronics> more like, trying to even begin
2016-11-26T20:34:54 < Tectu> keil <3
2016-11-26T20:35:03 < englishman> ^
2016-11-26T20:35:05 < englishman> also
2016-11-26T20:35:07 < englishman> Tectu <3
2016-11-26T20:35:18 < Steffanx> He, is ##stm32 some gay scene now? 
2016-11-26T20:35:29 < blacktronics> I want to do FFT on an audio input and cause severe epilepsy across 450 SK6812 LEDs 
2016-11-26T20:35:32 < Tectu> englishman :3
2016-11-26T20:35:36 < BrainDamage> pornstar sex appeal ranking system analyzing the audio spectrum in porn movies
2016-11-26T20:35:37 < Steffanx> Not that I would disapprove, it just requires me to adjust a little.
2016-11-26T20:35:54 < Steffanx> analyzing.. i see what you did there.
2016-11-26T20:36:01 < englishman> sounds like emeb's domain
2016-11-26T20:37:15 < Tectu> ugf.xxx
2016-11-26T20:37:30 < Steffanx> BrainDamage, but that would be a racist system. All those jappy with their Squeaky voices/sounds.. 
2016-11-26T20:37:45 < Steffanx> *jappies
2016-11-26T20:37:56 < BrainDamage> sounds like a feature
2016-11-26T20:38:17 < Steffanx> We consider Black Pete a feature too, yet people tend to disagree.
2016-11-26T20:38:31 < Steffanx> (its this time of the year again in dutchland)
2016-11-26T20:39:41 < englishman> the best porn always has black pet
2016-11-26T20:39:42 < englishman> e
2016-11-26T20:40:19 < blacktronics> kanker op eijn stokje
2016-11-26T20:40:26 < blacktronics> ben je helemaal betoeterd 
2016-11-26T20:41:12 < Steffanx> lolwut blacktronics?
2016-11-26T20:42:33 < blacktronics> kut konijn
2016-11-26T20:42:50 < blacktronics> idk i am saying random dutch things I know
2016-11-26T20:43:31 < Steffanx> Im not sure why they taught you that. Especially because it doesn't really make sense.
2016-11-26T20:43:50 < Steffanx> Oh, it does make sense, but it's not something we really use in dutchland. Except for "ben je helemaal betoeterd "
2016-11-26T20:43:55 < blacktronics> cancer on a stick makes perfect sense to me
2016-11-26T20:44:10 < blacktronics> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfNaBzzlFsg
2016-11-26T20:44:13 < Steffanx> Maybe, but it's not something we say in dutchland. Not ever.
2016-11-26T20:44:25 < blacktronics> I know
2016-11-26T20:44:56 < Steffanx> also: eijn => een. 
2016-11-26T20:45:16 < blacktronics> it is something a mate of mine made up while some dutch people were talking dutch with us on the channel on teamspeak
2016-11-26T20:45:25 < blacktronics> he just took random words they said and recombined them
2016-11-26T20:45:37 < Steffanx> Was about to say: You must be a gamer.
2016-11-26T20:46:01 < blacktronics> Idk, i only play csgo on occasion these days
2016-11-26T21:13:31 < Thorn> are there any Taiwanese startups that make opamps?
2016-11-26T21:19:16 < Laurenceb_> wtf
2016-11-26T21:19:22 < Laurenceb_> why would you care?
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2016-11-26T21:24:14 < Steffanx> lol Laurenceb_. How can YOU say that?
2016-11-26T21:26:33 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/482814c75877997fdc987fc58435bba36207e0a1d8f590296a5be59dc900df0e.png
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2016-11-26T21:32:42 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/672583443e08c581ad2e56bf0e1315cf2ddc60a7941b06550a9a303098ac7335.webm/FUTURE.webm
2016-11-26T21:37:00 < englishman> is there a 'smart' copy tool for windoze
2016-11-26T21:37:04 < englishman> that makes sure files are copied 100%
2016-11-26T21:37:11 < englishman> i get some corruption over vpn even with tcp
2016-11-26T21:38:14 < jadew> englishman: https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/2009.04.utilityspotlight.aspx
2016-11-26T21:38:24 < englishman> nice
2016-11-26T21:38:25 < englishman> thanks jadew 
2016-11-26T21:38:26 < jadew> found that yesterday when I was looking for a backup solution
2016-11-26T21:38:28 < englishman> ##stm32 is da best
2016-11-26T21:39:02 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrAjcGveu6Q
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2016-11-26T21:45:59 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/f2e51e60056784fdaf3191c93fe39f11f6d982bda7645cb4f88ce4d3a73392b0.jpg
2016-11-26T21:46:56 < englishman> oh ive heard of robocopy
2016-11-26T21:47:03 < englishman> but it was commandline so immediately forgot about it
2016-11-26T21:47:17 < englishman> and dismissed as unimportant
2016-11-26T21:47:21 < englishman> but gui, ok, good, nice
2016-11-26T21:48:14 < jadew> yeah, looks interesting, I ended up rewriting my backup tool tho
2016-11-26T21:48:31 < jadew> that way I get preciesely the features I want
2016-11-26T21:48:41 < englishman> heh its competition teracopy isnt any newer
2016-11-26T21:49:57 < jadew> oh teracopy seems decent too
2016-11-26T21:50:27 < jadew> but I wonder how the CRC is calculated
2016-11-26T21:50:44 < jadew> it would be good if it computed it 3 times
2016-11-26T21:51:02 < jadew> once during the transfer and then again a full CRC for the source and destination files
2016-11-26T21:51:50 < englishman> first thing im going to copy
2016-11-26T21:51:58 < englishman> is richcopy installer to its backup folder
2016-11-26T21:51:58 < englishman> lol
2016-11-26T21:52:05 < jadew> heh
2016-11-26T21:52:40 < jadew> oh, you're setting up a backup system?
2016-11-26T21:55:00 < englishman> no
2016-11-26T21:55:11 < englishman> just when i want to pull or push filez over vpn
2016-11-26T21:55:18 < englishman> it often gets corrupted
2016-11-26T21:55:44 < blacktronics> filezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
2016-11-26T21:55:48 < englishman> it's used for backing stuff up yeah but not scheduled or anything like that
2016-11-26T21:55:53 < blacktronics> filez0r
2016-11-26T21:55:58 < englishman> its my offsite hard drive
2016-11-26T21:56:08 < jadew> englishman, yeah, mine isn't scheduled either
2016-11-26T21:56:17 < jadew> it basically packs all my stuff into a folder\
2016-11-26T21:56:27 < jadew> (on a different drive)
2016-11-26T21:56:50 < englishman> yeah
2016-11-26T21:56:50 < jadew> then I compress it, I guess I could make the batch file do that
2016-11-26T21:56:59 < englishman> well i have 12tb of raid5 at home
2016-11-26T21:57:06 < jadew> nice
2016-11-26T21:57:06 < englishman> so i just shove stuff into a folder there
2016-11-26T21:57:17 < englishman> and picked up soem used 2u yesterday
2016-11-26T21:57:22 < englishman> for raid storage here
2016-11-26T21:57:22 < jadew> yeah, pretty much the same here
2016-11-26T21:57:23 < englishman> and other shit
2016-11-26T21:58:00 < englishman> due to slow western interwebs the link between the two sites is poor
2016-11-26T21:58:22 < englishman> 1st world countries like romania/lithuania dont have this issue
2016-11-26T22:02:13 < jadew> http://188.27.94.149/stuff/config.txt
2016-11-26T22:02:24 < jadew> that's the config file for my tool
2016-11-26T22:03:00 < jadew> has a few more options, but that's all I needed to get things going
2016-11-26T22:03:36 < jadew> you basically configure sections, that have their own base folder and then you can exclude/include stuff depending on what you want to backup
2016-11-26T22:04:13 < jadew> and when I want to run the backup I just run "backup" and it... backs it up
2016-11-26T22:04:37 < jadew> also allows to simulations, so you can figure out which files are the biggest and things like that
2016-11-26T22:04:59 < jadew> if anyone is interested in it, I can polish it up and opensource it
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2016-11-26T22:07:32 < englishman> cool
2016-11-26T22:12:57 < Thorn> https://www.quora.com/Are-we-currently-living-in-the-dystopian-cyberpunk-future
2016-11-26T22:16:25 < jadew> :)
2016-11-26T22:16:34 < jadew> that's pretty neat
2016-11-26T22:16:45 < jadew> always wanted to live in that future
2016-11-26T22:16:50 < kakimir> /usr/bin/sh: -c: line 3: syntax error: unexpected end of file
2016-11-26T22:16:54 < kakimir> make: *** [src/testiplattis.o] Error 258
2016-11-26T22:19:51 < kakimir> I need to rant
2016-11-26T22:20:35 < kakimir> this is bullshit
2016-11-26T22:23:20 < kakimir> makefile doesn't match to what is being print on build console
2016-11-26T22:25:09 < PaulFertser> kakimir: probably stray ^M somewhere?
2016-11-26T22:26:02 < kakimir> ?
2016-11-26T22:26:25 < kakimir> thing is PaulFertser this is windows
2016-11-26T22:26:41 < PaulFertser> kakimir: but if you mix both styles in one file, you can have issues I'd say
2016-11-26T22:27:13 < kakimir> this is exlipce CDT generated build
2016-11-26T22:27:22 < kakimir> I do not mix anything
2016-11-26T22:29:08 < kakimir> if I even knew where eclipse places it's real makefile I could play with it
2016-11-26T22:29:29 < PaulFertser> I'm not an eclipse user, so no idea here
2016-11-26T22:31:36 < kakimir> I will go to #eclipse and unload my turds
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2016-11-26T22:39:22 < Laurenceb_> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3ba_1480163209
2016-11-26T22:42:32 < kakimir> so cool - and old
2016-11-26T22:44:08 < Thorn> >MARCH 1976–REVISED OCTOBER 2014
2016-11-26T22:47:02 < karlp> natsemi/fairchild?
2016-11-26T22:47:38 < Thorn> well currently TI
2016-11-26T22:47:54 < Thorn> some 741 variant. applications: dvd player, pro audio mixer lol
2016-11-26T22:55:35 < kakimir> NXP now wants all my information
2016-11-26T22:56:15 < kakimir> they almost ask for my ssn and blood type
2016-11-26T23:07:07 < Rob235> penis
2016-11-26T23:08:37 < kakimir> dick length too
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2016-11-26T23:40:36 < Steffanx> Blame qualcom
2016-11-26T23:40:45 < Laurenceb_> pol on suicide watch https://twitter.com/prisonplanet/status/742482573910278144?lang=pl
2016-11-26T23:40:49 < Steffanx> M
2016-11-26T23:52:57 < englishman> whos that Laurenceb_ 
2016-11-26T23:53:08 < englishman> isnt it cold in prag
2016-11-26T23:53:12 < upgrdman> R2COM, i have more games than time to play. but thanks.
2016-11-26T23:54:06 < Laurenceb_> englishman: Alex Jones apprentice
2016-11-26T23:54:27 < englishman> whos that
2016-11-26T23:54:43 < Laurenceb_> seriously
2016-11-26T23:55:15 < englishman> Laurenceb_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvjaLcR0zek
2016-11-26T23:55:19 < englishman> how fake is that
2016-11-26T23:55:23 < englishman> hint
2016-11-26T23:55:23 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgBq6q4x8Fw
2016-11-26T23:55:24 < englishman> :
2016-11-26T23:55:25 < englishman> fake
2016-11-26T23:58:29 < Laurenceb_> seems dubious at best
2016-11-26T23:58:55 < englishman> lol he looks like lunix toreballs
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2016-11-27T00:01:21 < Laurenceb_> how can you not know who Alex Jones is?! We all used to watch his videos at school lol
2016-11-27T00:02:08 < Laurenceb_> my ISIS friend was especially enthusiastic :P
2016-11-27T00:05:09 < englishman> at school?
2016-11-27T00:05:12 < englishman> wat
2016-11-27T00:05:13 < englishman> ?
2016-11-27T00:05:17 < englishman> in england?
2016-11-27T00:06:49 < Laurenceb_> nah he was Swedish at the time
2016-11-27T00:07:19 < Laurenceb_> after leaving school he was unemployed for a while then converted to Islam and last time I heard had joined ISIS
2016-11-27T00:07:54 < englishman> i dont think alex jones is sweedish or in isis
2016-11-27T00:08:02 < Laurenceb_> but yeah we used to watch crazy random shit every lunchtime using teh fast broadband
2016-11-27T00:08:10 < englishman> oh not like
2016-11-27T00:08:11 < englishman> IN school
2016-11-27T00:08:12 < Laurenceb_> I means my friend
2016-11-27T00:08:13 < englishman> but AT school
2016-11-27T00:08:18 < Laurenceb_> erm yes lol
2016-11-27T00:08:36 < Laurenceb_> yeah after locking doors to avoid teachers
2016-11-27T00:09:11 < Laurenceb_> I assumed its what everyone did for lulz :D
2016-11-27T00:10:02 < Laurenceb_> we IRL trolled Tony Blair with an Alex Jones video on overhead projector when he came to open a new building at the school
2016-11-27T00:10:35 < Laurenceb_> and thats how I got banned from all school PCs for the rest of my time there
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2016-11-27T01:07:11 < karlp> englishman: http://gerblook.org/pcb/ivjqMKPoSuMHgLgv29hLM3#front you reckon that's better than the one I had last time? put the antenna on the edge instead of plopped in the middle
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2016-11-27T01:11:13 < englishman> cool
2016-11-27T01:11:16 < englishman> what is it?
2016-11-27T01:11:22 < englishman> bluedongs?
2016-11-27T01:11:56 < englishman> lots of empty PCB space for dicks
2016-11-27T01:13:22 < karlp> hrm, thought it was you who'd commented on the last one, might have been aandrew
2016-11-27T01:13:29 < Laurenceb_> dat high utilisation
2016-11-27T01:13:38 < karlp> just esp8266 plus leds, with the board for the shape.
2016-11-27T01:13:46 < karlp> seeed don't care if it's 10x10
2016-11-27T01:13:53 < Laurenceb_> wow someone who can understand rf layout
2016-11-27T01:13:56 < Laurenceb_> thats a first
2016-11-27T01:14:38 < Laurenceb_> inb4 irc ragefest about split groundplanes with LeoBodnar
2016-11-27T01:14:43 < Laurenceb_> oh he isnt in here :P
2016-11-27T01:14:46 < englishman> yes PCB meander antennas should be well away from gndplane
2016-11-27T01:14:53 < englishman> and no I've never seen that board before
2016-11-27T01:15:33 < Laurenceb_> Leo always argues split groundplanes are unnecessary 
2016-11-27T01:15:46 < Laurenceb_> not that it has anything to do with this board lol
2016-11-27T01:19:21 < karlp> split planes what now?
2016-11-27T01:22:43 < karlp> what do yo ucall split?
2016-11-27T01:23:24 < karlp> I'm not sure I follow why laurence brought that up on this pcb?
2016-11-27T01:24:20 < Laurenceb_> karlp: I was going offtopic, nvm
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2016-11-27T01:50:07 < karlp> anyone used pcbway?
2016-11-27T01:50:13 < karlp> claims to be a bit faster...
2016-11-27T01:50:41 < englishman> sure
2016-11-27T01:50:59 < englishman> same as any other garbage pcb site, except they respond to emails
2016-11-27T01:51:26 < englishman> production time has been the same as anywhere else in my experience
2016-11-27T02:15:36 < karlp> went with seed in the end again, didn't wnat to try and fuck around with new gerb generations to match _their_ file nameing conventions
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2016-11-27T03:05:35 < ohsix> ReadErr: did you watch freaknik yet
2016-11-27T03:05:59 < stvn> stm32 pleases
2016-11-27T03:08:22 < ohsix> the beyond the press review of the chronos is funny
2016-11-27T03:08:34 < Laurenceb_> stm32tendies
2016-11-27T03:08:39 < Laurenceb_> tendies32
2016-11-27T03:08:49 < ohsix> the guy is so sweet, lots of pauses and wondering what word things are in english
2016-11-27T03:09:42 < stvn> Laurenceb_, welcome
2016-11-27T03:10:25 < ohsix> alex jones alex jones alex jones alex jones alex jones alex jones alex jones alex jones alex jones 
2016-11-27T03:10:30 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2016-11-27T03:10:31 < ohsix> do people do that anymore
2016-11-27T03:10:42 < Laurenceb_> that was like when I was 16 dude
2016-11-27T03:10:53 < ohsix> when i watched cspan early morning stuff there were a few a month
2016-11-27T03:11:03 < ohsix> washington journal
2016-11-27T03:11:13 < ohsix> it's an awesome show, all live callers
2016-11-27T03:11:13 < Laurenceb_> da alex jones and da ali G
2016-11-27T03:11:26 < ohsix> the people that take the calls have to weather some crazy shit
2016-11-27T03:11:39 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-11-27T03:12:20 < ohsix> google being too smart is fucking with searches involving alex jones
2016-11-27T03:13:27 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wrji0XLoFU
2016-11-27T03:13:49 < ohsix> can't find any good ones, so here's one of the compos from last week tonight
2016-11-27T03:14:44 < ohsix> i think i only saw one guy almost laugh
2016-11-27T03:14:47 < ohsix> and it wasn't that dude
2016-11-27T03:15:42 < Laurenceb_> today I found my neighbours linkedin page
2016-11-27T03:15:43 < ohsix> http://crooksandliars.com/files/mediaposters/2011/02/19634.jpg?ts=1396407395 this guy
2016-11-27T03:15:58 < Laurenceb_> ISO9001 certification, I'm not shitting
2016-11-27T03:16:00 < ohsix> i forgot they had a female host, that must have been an interesting few months D:
2016-11-27T03:16:03 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-27T03:16:06 < ohsix> what ind?
2016-11-27T03:16:20 < Laurenceb_> bullshit industry
2016-11-27T03:16:29 < Laurenceb_> ISO9001 is certified horse shit
2016-11-27T03:16:33 < stvn> BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT
2016-11-27T03:16:37 < Laurenceb_> I knew something was up
2016-11-27T03:17:27 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9000#ISO_9000_series_Quality_management_principles
2016-11-27T03:17:36 < Laurenceb_> what am I even reading
2016-11-27T03:17:42 < Laurenceb_> certified autism
2016-11-27T03:17:45 < ohsix> it's like six sigma
2016-11-27T03:17:48 < ohsix> mostly documentation
2016-11-27T03:18:30 < ohsix> it's the condescending, boring corporate shit you get drones to do to make things better, because they won't do it otherwise
2016-11-27T03:19:27 < stvn> autistic arrangement
2016-11-27T03:19:59 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/embed/5i434CDjhjI
2016-11-27T03:20:20 < ohsix> i guess nobody bothered to record the alex jones calls
2016-11-27T03:20:36 < stvn> cool
2016-11-27T03:21:01 < Laurenceb_> http://jobview.monster.co.uk/digital-warfare-specialist-job-uk-176543825.aspx?jobPosition=6
2016-11-27T03:21:14 < Laurenceb_> wonder if they count memetic warfare
2016-11-27T03:21:53 < stvn> autistic warfare
2016-11-27T03:23:21 < ohsix> http://www.mediaite.com/tv/90-year-old-c-span-caller-wants-coloreds-to-thank-white-people-for-welfare-free-everything/
2016-11-27T03:24:07 < ohsix> the black dude is one of the best hosts
2016-11-27T03:25:18 < englishman> stvn: would youe like some kitten updates
2016-11-27T03:25:30 < stvn> yes
2016-11-27T03:25:38 < ohsix> i got some kitten updates
2016-11-27T03:25:56 < englishman> he ate a meringue
2016-11-27T03:26:00 < stvn> :3
2016-11-27T03:26:09 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/bobby/status/802682584081657856
2016-11-27T03:27:03 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/zV81Q5V.jpg
2016-11-27T03:27:20 < stvn> :D
2016-11-27T03:29:01 < ohsix> mikeselectricboners has a new video up
2016-11-27T03:34:32 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyOZh7EVEAE2lGQ.jpg
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2016-11-27T03:41:02 < ohsix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyOVZunWgAAmudP.jpg
2016-11-27T03:41:28 < ohsix> pat fenis, that's a good one
2016-11-27T03:42:05 < Rob235> where are the Canadians?
2016-11-27T03:42:33 < upgrdman> ballsacagawea huh? lol
2016-11-27T03:45:11 < Rob235> eww taint brush?
2016-11-27T03:47:17 < stvn> dirty old crt
2016-11-27T03:48:46 < upgrdman> good job china  http://i.imgur.com/k9AyLKO.gifv
2016-11-27T03:49:02 < ohsix> hehttps://twitter.com/Shitty_Future/status/794170339978805250 ru cool
2016-11-27T03:49:28 < stvn> dirty old CRTs
2016-11-27T03:50:32 < ohsix> upgrdman: that looks like it sucks
2016-11-27T03:50:49 < ohsix> aside from hitting the truck in the first place, having caution lights and waiting for the next stop is probably all you could do huhuhu
2016-11-27T03:51:17 < upgrdman> ya
2016-11-27T03:53:00 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjxcxPen0ZM
2016-11-27T03:53:25 < Laurenceb_> wtf is this
2016-11-27T03:55:00 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/kennyg/status/802577740180418569
2016-11-27T03:55:38 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: you got one click and you beefed it
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2016-11-27T04:00:30 < Laurenceb_> how the fuck is it still up wtf
2016-11-27T04:01:30 < ohsix> ReadErr: https://twitter.com/redlettermedia/status/802570820102914048
2016-11-27T04:01:42 < englishman> jadew: richcopy confirmed shit
2016-11-27T04:01:54 < ReadErr> waiting on skhrelli to release that 'tang
2016-11-27T04:02:05 < englishman> i unplugged ethernets during file copy
2016-11-27T04:02:07 < ohsix> upgrdman: https://twitter.com/Byokkai/status/802556169466286080
2016-11-27T04:02:13 < englishman> target file is trashed
2016-11-27T04:02:16 < englishman> "Copy complete"
2016-11-27T04:02:27 < ReadErr> using what
2016-11-27T04:02:28 < ohsix> englishman: nice
2016-11-27T04:02:34 < englishman> richcopy
2016-11-27T04:02:45 < ReadErr> sounds trash, never heard
2016-11-27T04:02:51 < englishman> made by windows
2016-11-27T04:02:58 < englishman> im gonna try teracopy
2016-11-27T04:03:01 < ohsix> heh twitter is funny
2016-11-27T04:03:10 < ohsix> what are you copying and why are you using a specific tool for it?
2016-11-27T04:03:23 < ReadErr> 2009 throwback huh
2016-11-27T04:03:37 < englishman> teracopy isnt that much newer
2016-11-27T04:03:42 < englishman> and it doesnt look like theres much else
2016-11-27T04:03:47 < upgrdman> ohsix, seent it
2016-11-27T04:03:48 < ReadErr> rsync 4 windows
2016-11-27T04:03:56 < englishman> is it commandline
2016-11-27T04:03:56 < ReadErr> like a real GNUtard
2016-11-27T04:04:03 < ReadErr> ehhh they have frontends
2016-11-27T04:04:14 < ReadErr> or you can ubuntuBASH on windows10
2016-11-27T04:05:36 < ohsix> bash ond ongs
2016-11-27T04:05:43 < ohsix> ReadErr: they posted that max landis thing today
2016-11-27T04:05:45 < ohsix> huhu
2016-11-27T04:06:30 < englishman> if its a command line, it isnt mine
2016-11-27T04:06:31 < ReadErr> posted what
2016-11-27T04:06:31 < ohsix> oh hrm
2016-11-27T04:06:40 < ohsix> ReadErr: twatter link
2016-11-27T04:06:45 < ReadErr> englishman: wat are you trying to do
2016-11-27T04:06:55 < englishman> copy files over vpn without corruption
2016-11-27T04:06:59 < ohsix> englishman: i used md5deep plus a copy to try and verify files
2016-11-27T04:07:06 < ReadErr> yea just use some rsync shit
2016-11-27T04:07:11 < ohsix> or bittorrent
2016-11-27T04:07:16 < ReadErr> syncthing
2016-11-27T04:07:20 < ohsix> but rsync can fix the busted files
2016-11-27T04:07:22 < ReadErr> would be good
2016-11-27T04:07:25 < ohsix> so can uhh, zidrav
2016-11-27T04:08:11 < ohsix> rsync will minimize bandwidth but use a lot of disk to try and send n times to make sure its' all good, since the vpn is just there to fuck it up that's probably a plus
2016-11-27T04:08:50 < englishman> teracopy seems to work
2016-11-27T04:08:53 < ohsix> wat vpn software is it, could be that uh, mtu path length discovery is broke at some place and it's dropping parts of the frames (if it is udp or something like sit/l2tp)
2016-11-27T04:09:08 < ReadErr> lol there is no good rsync guis still
2016-11-27T04:09:14 < ReadErr> that rent payware
2016-11-27T04:09:17 < ReadErr> arent*
2016-11-27T04:09:23 < ReadErr> even they look shitty
2016-11-27T04:09:32 < englishman> it verifies with md5 by default or i can check other shit
2016-11-27T04:09:35 < englishman> but its not rsync
2016-11-27T04:09:37 < englishman> thats for sure
2016-11-27T04:09:53 < ReadErr> rsync can verify and send teh delta
2016-11-27T04:09:57 < englishman> right
2016-11-27T04:10:00 < ReadErr> good for changing files etc
2016-11-27T04:10:26 < englishman> funny that i get so much corruption etc over tcp vpn
2016-11-27T04:10:45 < ohsix> rsync is almost unusable on windows due to filename translation bullshit
2016-11-27T04:11:16 < ohsix> wats the vpn to, englishman ? you're not in china or whatever?
2016-11-27T04:11:19 < englishman> what do i use for a ipmi client
2016-11-27T04:11:27 < englishman> one of the dracs on these servers isnt initing :'(
2016-11-27T04:11:29 < ReadErr> ipmitool
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2016-11-27T04:11:41 < ReadErr> is the universal cli one
2016-11-27T04:12:13 < ohsix> i wonder if it isn't some basic suckage/bug of the vpn server&client in question
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2016-11-27T04:12:20 < ohsix> cuz upgrdman had problems with his
2016-11-27T04:12:27 < ReadErr> mtu on swole 
2016-11-27T04:12:35 < ReadErr> lower it maybe
2016-11-27T04:12:50 < ohsix> it's unlikely tcp sequence junk is being messed with in a sophisticated way, more likely common software and maybe same bug
2016-11-27T04:12:54 < ReadErr> do you have jumboframes or some shit enabled
2016-11-27T04:13:07 < ReadErr> ive seen lowering mtu can fix some issues
2016-11-27T04:13:24 < ReadErr> never cared to look in to why
2016-11-27T04:13:51 < zyp> because the wrapper will use some bytes
2016-11-27T04:14:00 < ReadErr> yea I know overhead
2016-11-27T04:14:06 < ReadErr> but it should use 1460 or so
2016-11-27T04:14:09 < ReadErr> by default
2016-11-27T04:14:12 < ReadErr> max being 1500
2016-11-27T04:14:31 < englishman> no jumbo frames
2016-11-27T04:15:00 < englishman> where the shit does ipmitool install to
2016-11-27T04:15:12 < englishman> i just clicked past isntalldir and its in nowhere normal
2016-11-27T04:15:23 < ReadErr> apt-get install impitool
2016-11-27T04:15:28 < ReadErr> then just ipmitool to run
2016-11-27T04:15:37 < englishman> 'apt-get' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
2016-11-27T04:15:37 < englishman> operable program or batch file.
2016-11-27T04:16:02 < ReadErr> you dont lulbuntu bash for win10?
2016-11-27T04:16:02 < englishman> C:\Program Files\sourceforge
2016-11-27T04:16:04 < englishman> oh come on
2016-11-27T04:16:08 < ReadErr> wow
2016-11-27T04:16:12 < ReadErr> get with the times
2016-11-27T04:16:25 < ReadErr> ubuntu bash for windows is the greatest
2016-11-27T04:16:59 < englishman> i looked into that a month or so ago and all i could find was "this thing is so gr8!" and nothing actually about how to get it
2016-11-27T04:17:15 < ReadErr> you just click a box
2016-11-27T04:17:17 < ReadErr> and update
2016-11-27T04:17:24 < ReadErr> ive had it on all mine since sept
2016-11-27T04:17:25 < upgrdman> ohsix, what did i have probs with?
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2016-11-27T04:17:40 < englishman> i havent seen this box yet
2016-11-27T04:18:34 < ReadErr> code@CODE-PC:~$ ipmitool -V
2016-11-27T04:18:34 < ReadErr> ipmitool version 1.8.13
2016-11-27T04:18:40 < ReadErr> was easy as 1.2.3
2016-11-27T04:19:14 < ReadErr> http://www.windowscentral.com/how-install-bash-shell-command-line-windows-10
2016-11-27T04:20:48 < ohsix> upgrdman: vpn messing junk up
2016-11-27T04:21:02 < ohsix> guh
2016-11-27T04:21:14 < ohsix> pup is into the humping stage
2016-11-27T04:21:55 < upgrdman> o
2016-11-27T04:22:06 < ohsix> she takes the whole arm and tries to grab onto it and won't give up
2016-11-27T04:22:11 < upgrdman> ya well it was mostly china messing it up. worked fine when im in the 1st world
2016-11-27T04:22:41 < ohsix> mebbe
2016-11-27T04:22:41 < ReadErr> having gender identity issues?
2016-11-27T04:22:42 < englishman> hehe bash.exe
2016-11-27T04:23:01 < ohsix> nah dogs will stick their quim on anything
2016-11-27T04:24:05 < ohsix> it's mostly a thing they do with their front paws and biting stuff
2016-11-27T04:28:15 < ohsix> heh in last AvE video he opens a cardboard box with a cnc machine as a gag, cuz he had no bladez
2016-11-27T04:28:59 < upgrdman> R2COM, because "left coast"
2016-11-27T04:29:05 < ohsix> makita makes a battery powered coffee maker
2016-11-27T04:29:11 < upgrdman> pisses off the conservative in ca too
2016-11-27T04:29:44 < ohsix> i can't believe i have a whole day to fuck around tomorrow
2016-11-27T04:29:51 < ohsix> first in like 2 weeks
2016-11-27T04:29:57 < upgrdman> R2COM, weather is A+++++ 10/10 Would buy again!!!1!1!!1!!1!!!!!111
2016-11-27T04:30:42 < upgrdman> R2COM, ya houses are expensive. but they hold their value too. so buy expensive house, enjoy the fuck out of it, then cash out when you leave
2016-11-27T04:30:57 < ohsix> also you kind of want to live where the houses are
2016-11-27T04:31:03 < ohsix> the expense is a red-herring
2016-11-27T04:31:21 < ReadErr> cali bans all the good inhalants and solvents
2016-11-27T04:31:24 < ohsix> the reason the valuation keeps going up is because of demand in the region olol
2016-11-27T04:31:35 < ReadErr> even if they work far better
2016-11-27T04:31:44 < ohsix> to kill you!!11
2016-11-27T04:32:10 < upgrdman> R2COM, supply and demand.
2016-11-27T04:32:17 < upgrdman> ca isn't for everyone.
2016-11-27T04:32:26 < ReadErr> too hard to get like, toluene for huffin 
2016-11-27T04:32:46 < ohsix> there are a lot of organic junk that is double plus ungood, they accumulate in water supplies or they bioaccumulate, so even low exposure is bad
2016-11-27T04:32:59 < upgrdman> R2COM, well people who like the weather ;)
2016-11-27T04:33:02 < ohsix> upgrdman: o ya you're in ca huh
2016-11-27T04:33:03 < upgrdman> but seriously tho
2016-11-27T04:33:10 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya. long beach ca
2016-11-27T04:33:10 < ohsix> i was fixing my car today, got timing belt out and shit
2016-11-27T04:33:14 < ReadErr> ohsix: theres some solvents that just dont have good alternatives 
2016-11-27T04:33:21 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/thumb/3ecfcd315e3507c701474b7d7be79c317b3a3a81460ede71d471baa9bd428f5f.png
2016-11-27T04:33:21 < ReadErr> that are b& in cali
2016-11-27T04:33:22 < ohsix> i have an early engine, uses different type of belt, had to order it
2016-11-27T04:33:27 < Laurenceb_> where is Gordon Ramsey
2016-11-27T04:33:34 < ohsix> but uh ya as soon as that is fixed i might go down there again
2016-11-27T04:34:22 < ReadErr> but you hate mexicans
2016-11-27T04:34:54 < ReadErr> lol until they hit 25 maybe
2016-11-27T04:34:56 < ReadErr> MAYBE
2016-11-27T04:35:22 < Laurenceb_> R2COM: go fap elsewhere
2016-11-27T04:36:40 < ReadErr> well its a proven fact
2016-11-27T04:36:50 < ReadErr> they degrade in the looks dept rapidly 
2016-11-27T04:37:28 < ReadErr> I didnt say all
2016-11-27T04:37:32 < ReadErr> but a majority
2016-11-27T04:37:42 < ReadErr> enough such that its a known fact
2016-11-27T04:39:27 < ReadErr> I actually run the dark web you little prick so I think you better be a little nicer to me.
2016-11-27T04:39:37 < ohsix> i've seen it
2016-11-27T04:39:38 < ohsix> he does
2016-11-27T04:39:44 < ohsix> why do you think i try to be his pal so hard
2016-11-27T04:40:17 < englishman> omfg
2016-11-27T04:40:22 < englishman> teracopy totally hijacks context menu
2016-11-27T04:40:27 < englishman> uninstalling immediately
2016-11-27T04:41:03 < ReadErr> englishman: syncthing?
2016-11-27T04:41:11 < englishman> isnt that kinda overkill
2016-11-27T04:41:19 < ReadErr> should be able to bust holes through 
2016-11-27T04:41:22 < ohsix> anyone want those altium books? binning next time i'm in office
2016-11-27T04:41:31 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/o3mZWUk.jpg
2016-11-27T04:41:44 < ReadErr> hey wats that shit called
2016-11-27T04:41:47 < ReadErr> live context searching
2016-11-27T04:41:58 < ReadErr> like if I have a massive file 
2016-11-27T04:42:18 < ReadErr> searchbox and it narrows things down and shows the context/area 
2016-11-27T04:43:00 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/mkbIJ2f.jpg http://i.imgur.com/crOMufU.jpg timing belt goofs & gaffes
2016-11-27T04:43:18 < ohsix> ReadErr: does it hide things or just make the marker regions smaller?
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2016-11-27T04:43:51 < ReadErr> nah but after the first word or so it would start showing the matches
2016-11-27T04:43:59 < ReadErr> then when you type more it eliminates stuff
2016-11-27T04:44:13 < ohsix> that just sounds like typeahead find
2016-11-27T04:44:15 < ReadErr> can backspace and get the results back
2016-11-27T04:44:32 < ReadErr> ive seen it on some sites but cant find an example or think of the name
2016-11-27T04:45:00 < ohsix> i use a pdf viewer who's search box is like that, it uses each pdf paragraph or whatever, has a sample, pares down on each new character
2016-11-27T04:45:09 < ReadErr> yea exactly
2016-11-27T04:45:12 < ReadErr> that
2016-11-27T04:45:25 < ohsix> maybe stem search? dunno if it has a specific name
2016-11-27T04:45:46 < ohsix> the interesting part is that it does a new search each keypress, otherwise it's just a dum search
2016-11-27T04:46:01 < ReadErr> yea 
2016-11-27T04:47:16 < ohsix> one of those new expensive ui things everyone expects now cuz it sort of worked nice in that thing they used
2016-11-27T04:47:37 < ReadErr> I just want it to run locally 
2016-11-27T04:48:27 < ohsix> web dudes seem to use the term typeahead
2016-11-27T04:48:31 < ohsix> and 'filter'
2016-11-27T04:48:42 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incremental_search
2016-11-27T04:49:20 < ohsix> locally on what, for what; if it's a free text search it's going to do a lot of io and suck pretty bad
2016-11-27T04:50:09 < ReadErr> enough such that it can all be loaded in ram
2016-11-27T04:50:20 < ReadErr> but too much to control+f next though it
2016-11-27T04:51:19 < ReadErr> "Non-modal incremental find"
2016-11-27T04:53:57 < englishman> is vmware login broken
2016-11-27T04:54:05 < ReadErr> ?
2016-11-27T04:54:14 < englishman> https://my.vmware.com
2016-11-27T04:55:33 < ReadErr> works here
2016-11-27T04:55:58 < englishman> latest vmware doesnt work on these cpus
2016-11-27T04:56:03 < englishman> already being lunix'd
2016-11-27T04:56:13 < ReadErr> doesnt work on cpu? wtf
2016-11-27T04:56:25 < englishman> after loading installer for 10mins i got a bright pink screen
2016-11-27T04:56:33 < ReadErr> PSOD
2016-11-27T04:56:37 < ReadErr> what did it say
2016-11-27T04:56:44 < englishman> not compatible with cpus
2016-11-27T04:56:55 < ReadErr> lol must be really old cpu
2016-11-27T04:57:27 < englishman> ddr2
2016-11-27T04:57:28 < stvn> install a new windows on it
2016-11-27T04:57:30 < ohsix> uah may have found out what i'm doing sunday, i forgot about chdk and it apparently supports the crap camera i got from the school
2016-11-27T04:57:55 < ohsix> englishman: lul like no mans' sky, doesn't support ssse4
2016-11-27T04:58:30 < ohsix> https://pubs.vmware.com/vsphere-4-esx-vcenter/index.jsp?topic=/com.vmware.vsphere.bsa.doc_40/vc_admin_guide/migrating_virtual_machines/c_sse4.1_considerations.html
2016-11-27T04:58:52 < ohsix> oh hrm
2016-11-27T04:59:06 < ohsix> no idea
2016-11-27T04:59:19 < ReadErr> 4.0 is super old
2016-11-27T05:00:35 < stvn> i installed ubuntu and it melted my computer
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2016-11-27T05:02:42 < englishman> lol ReadErr when it does it actually throws a purple screen of death
2016-11-27T05:02:44 < englishman> dies
2016-11-27T05:02:52 < ReadErr> yup
2016-11-27T05:03:03 < ReadErr> you can get good info if you know what to look for
2016-11-27T05:04:50 < stvn> ok
2016-11-27T05:04:58 < stvn> i like potato
2016-11-27T05:05:49 < ohsix> are there conspiracy theories about the new ok go video yet
2016-11-27T05:06:48 < ohsix> it's a big ad for salt
2016-11-27T05:07:10 < stvn> ok
2016-11-27T05:18:22 < ReadErr> search party has a dumb ending
2016-11-27T05:20:14 < ohsix> lul chdk adds like 500 menus of wank
2016-11-27T05:20:17 < ohsix> ReadErr: f u
2016-11-27T05:20:25 < ohsix> havent' got to the end
2016-11-27T05:20:33 < ReadErr> its dumb thats all ill say
2016-11-27T05:22:29 < ohsix> what did you think of the boyfriend
2016-11-27T05:22:33 < ohsix> that guy is hyyyyyyyyysterical
2016-11-27T05:22:36 < ohsix> the milkshake thrower
2016-11-27T05:22:44 < ohsix> he cried in the office scene
2016-11-27T05:22:53 < ReadErr> real nancy
2016-11-27T05:23:07 < ohsix> nice hair tho
2016-11-27T05:23:21 < ohsix> that sex thing at the beginning of the first episode kind of set the tone for weirdness
2016-11-27T05:23:56 < ohsix> hm ther'es an arm cpu in the a1200
2016-11-27T05:24:55 < ohsix> saved me some dong files
2016-11-27T05:25:39 < ohsix> upgrdman just dumped an hour video
2016-11-27T05:26:06 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya and tbh the last 2/3 of it is boring as fuck
2016-11-27T05:26:18 < ohsix> werd
2016-11-27T05:26:21 < upgrdman> but i didnt want to reedit so fuck it.
2016-11-27T05:26:35 < ohsix> are you thinking of editing some from feedback into shorter hot takes
2016-11-27T05:26:54 < ReadErr> creating the assange robot?
2016-11-27T05:27:00 < ReadErr> for his big thing
2016-11-27T05:27:18 < upgrdman> not sure. my ad revenue seems to be proportional to watch time, so im reluctant to trim shit, even if its shit
2016-11-27T05:27:23 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-27T05:27:29 < upgrdman> so if i can string people along... well... ;)
2016-11-27T05:27:54 < ohsix> i need to monetize something people will watch, get some numbersss on that junk
2016-11-27T05:28:08 < ohsix> would half as long but twice as many views do what it seems to imply?
2016-11-27T05:28:18 < upgrdman> prolly
2016-11-27T05:33:51 < ReadErr> yall seen Zero Days yet
2016-11-27T05:34:02 < ohsix> hm heh there's a 'passthrough' demosaic filter for dng that looks neat
2016-11-27T05:34:16 < ohsix> man there are tons of dead pixels on these cameras
2016-11-27T05:35:14 < emeb_mac> demosaic processing is interesting
2016-11-27T05:35:52 < emeb_mac> long ago I did some work on that. Lots of ways to do it.
2016-11-27T05:39:01 < ReadErr> any good tool to remap windows bindings
2016-11-27T05:39:05 < ReadErr> keys
2016-11-27T05:39:27 < ohsix> emeb_mac: yea i read a bit about it, papers and stuff ages ago
2016-11-27T05:40:03 < ohsix> nwo i have some samples and stuff, the firmware can do bracketing and other stuff i wanted to try too
2016-11-27T05:40:07 < stvn> stm32
2016-11-27T05:42:36 < emeb_mac> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/linux/mattel_cam.html
2016-11-27T05:44:31 < emeb_mac> links way out of date
2016-11-27T05:44:49 < ohsix> maddox was in an underground bike riding scene jared leto was in
2016-11-27T05:44:58 < ohsix> https://www.twitch.tv/realmaddox
2016-11-27T05:45:24 < ohsix> emeb_mac: neat
2016-11-27T05:45:38 < ohsix> http://ebrombaugh.studionebula.com/linux/camera.jpg this picture looks familiar, may have seen the site before huhu
2016-11-27T05:47:42 < emeb_mac> heh
2016-11-27T05:47:56 < emeb_mac> you should have seen some of the mail I got about that code.
2016-11-27T05:48:19 < emeb_mac> some asshole flamed me about my coding style - thought I should have written it all in one file.
2016-11-27T05:48:26 < ohsix> haha
2016-11-27T05:48:38 < ohsix> too hard to build or something? projecting really hard into your inbox?
2016-11-27T05:49:25 < emeb_mac> no idea. pretty funny though.
2016-11-27T05:50:35 < emeb_mac> I should port that to stm32 so it can display on an LCD
2016-11-27T05:50:52 < emeb_mac> still got a couple of those cameras around somewhere.
2016-11-27T05:51:17 < stvn> pot
2016-11-27T05:52:28 < emeb_mac> the resolution of that camera would be just about perfect for the cheap SPI LCDs I've been using.
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2016-11-27T06:06:29 < ohsix> lul there are so many hot/dead pixels
2016-11-27T06:07:22 < ohsix> i guess that's how they've made the stuff as cheap as they are, up the megapixels but skip the binning - lots of bad pixels are ok cuz you can do perceptual junk to hide them, and their contribution is relatively small
2016-11-27T06:07:46 < ohsix> coolest thing so far is the lens distortion, there's a lot of it :D
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2016-11-27T06:31:07 < stvn> identify
2016-11-27T06:34:52 < ReadErr> state your status or prepare your anus
2016-11-27T06:36:03 < stvn> >
2016-11-27T06:37:22 < upgrdman> "why not both?"
2016-11-27T06:44:16 < ReadErr> when did MS ninja in the removal of disabling win10 update reboots?
2016-11-27T06:44:25 < ReadErr> Im 100% it was there at one point
2016-11-27T06:44:33 < ReadErr> now you have to grouppolicy edit
2016-11-27T06:45:40 < ReadErr> http://i.imgur.com/EsS4t9C.png
2016-11-27T07:12:05 < englishman> nice
2016-11-27T07:12:10 < englishman> sata tho
2016-11-27T07:12:39 < englishman> right
2016-11-27T07:12:40 < englishman> but sata
2016-11-27T07:13:01 < stvn> its phantom of the opera
2016-11-27T07:13:02 < englishman> m.2 does
2016-11-27T07:13:05 < englishman> but not this one
2016-11-27T07:13:50 < englishman> looks like 950 is the pcie one
2016-11-27T07:14:02 < englishman> Max Sequential Read
2016-11-27T07:14:02 < englishman> Up to 2500 MBps
2016-11-27T07:14:02 < englishman> Max Sequential Write
2016-11-27T07:14:02 < englishman> Up to 1500 MBps
2016-11-27T07:14:15 < englishman> and is a biiiit more $
2016-11-27T07:14:28  * englishman gets butt disease
2016-11-27T07:14:45 < englishman> ReadErr: vmware still isnt installed
2016-11-27T07:14:50 < englishman> due to: lunix
2016-11-27T07:15:12 < englishman> http://www.jonathanmedd.net/2011/01/install-esxi-4-1-from-a-usb-stick.html
2016-11-27T07:15:20 < ReadErr> works fine on everything ive ever put it on
2016-11-27T07:15:39 < englishman> i dont have a dvd drive or blank cds or dvds
2016-11-27T07:15:52 < ReadErr> yea, just use unetbootin and defaults
2016-11-27T07:15:54 < ReadErr> works fine
2016-11-27T07:15:58 < englishman> negative
2016-11-27T07:16:02 < englishman> boots then hangs
2016-11-27T07:16:18 < ReadErr> sounds like HW issues
2016-11-27T07:16:22 < ReadErr> I dont use 4.1
2016-11-27T07:16:24 < ReadErr> 5+
2016-11-27T07:16:26 < englishman> gonna install windows
2016-11-27T07:16:28 < englishman> on 1st try
2016-11-27T07:16:52 < englishman> 5.x isnt supported or something
2016-11-27T07:17:32 < ReadErr> by the cpu?
2016-11-27T07:17:40 < ReadErr> 4.x is old n shit
2016-11-27T07:17:45 < ReadErr> 5.5 is stable
2016-11-27T07:17:48 < englishman> 6.x doesnt work
2016-11-27T07:17:52 < ReadErr> 6 is fine
2016-11-27T07:18:45 < englishman> cant even download 5.5 from vmware
2016-11-27T07:18:57 < englishman> You either are not entitled or do not have permissions to download this product.
2016-11-27T07:18:57 < englishman> Check with your My VMware Super User, Procurement Contact or Administrator.
2016-11-27T07:19:27 < stvn> lol
2016-11-27T07:19:44 < englishman> yeah i have to use it in incognito mode
2016-11-27T07:19:47 < englishman> http://www.dell.com/support/home/ca/en/cabsdt1/Drivers/DriversDetails?driverId=70G0X
2016-11-27T07:19:49 < englishman> will try this
2016-11-27T07:20:19 < englishman> dell 2850
2016-11-27T07:20:31 < englishman> right
2016-11-27T07:20:33 < englishman> so windows
2016-11-27T07:20:34 < englishman> will work fine
2016-11-27T07:20:41 < stvn> julian assange was captured when he fell out of the window after eating tendies laced with heroin
2016-11-27T07:20:41 < englishman> but 3 generations of lunix wont
2016-11-27T07:21:04 < ReadErr> esxi != linux
2016-11-27T07:21:20 < englishman> so 5.x wont work
2016-11-27T07:21:42 < englishman> 2850
2016-11-27T07:21:54 < englishman> no
2016-11-27T07:22:08 < englishman> this will be in bios right
2016-11-27T07:22:09 < englishman> 1s
2016-11-27T07:23:38 < stvn> some people would rather die than boot linux
2016-11-27T07:24:46 < englishman> "F41"
2016-11-27T07:25:27 < englishman> http://ark.intel.com/products/28016/64-bit-Intel-Xeon-Processor-3_20-GHz-1M-Cache-800-MHz-FSB
2016-11-27T07:25:48 < englishman> yeah 5.x requires nx bit
2016-11-27T07:25:49 < englishman> and shit
2016-11-27T07:26:03 < ReadErr> jesus fuck thats like 10 years old
2016-11-27T07:26:27 < englishman> all i wanna do is run lunix
2016-11-27T07:26:31 < englishman> it has more than 640k ram
2016-11-27T07:26:32 < englishman> so should be fine
2016-11-27T07:26:43 < ReadErr> esxi isnt linux
2016-11-27T07:26:52 < ReadErr> just install centos or some shit
2016-11-27T07:27:05 < englishman> :(
2016-11-27T07:27:23 < stvn> buy a mac
2016-11-27T07:28:20 < ReadErr> suck a dick
2016-11-27T07:28:39 < ReadErr> that new macbook is so lul
2016-11-27T07:28:55 < ReadErr> magjack was gr8
2016-11-27T07:29:00 < stvn> ReadErr, great idea, i'll get onto it right away!!
2016-11-27T07:29:15 < ReadErr> remember to put your back in to it
2016-11-27T07:29:29 < stvn> lol
2016-11-27T07:38:22 < stvn> wheres is englishman 
2016-11-27T07:39:49 < ReadErr> altium 17 seems faster
2016-11-27T07:40:56 < stvn> that's really good
2016-11-27T07:41:24 < ohsix> http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/07/why-did-wikileaks-help-dox-most-of-turkeys-adult-female-population.html
2016-11-27T07:43:13 < ohsix> lul butt disease
2016-11-27T07:44:18 < ohsix> englishman: wuh there were 64 bit cpus withotu nx?
2016-11-27T07:45:02 < stvn> wut
2016-11-27T07:47:51 < ohsix> wikileaks shit is wild man
2016-11-27T07:48:19 < ohsix> i mean, the election is trailing edge and i'm only getting it now, but they can just release some shit and say it is a thing, and press outlets wont' even look all that close
2016-11-27T07:48:50 < ohsix> big balls of shit that nobody looks at to see if anything anyone is saying is actually true, and the people that do get shouted down
2016-11-27T07:49:58 < ohsix> where did they pick up the trust to actually do this shit and have anyone entertain them
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2016-11-27T07:55:01 < englishman> stvn englishman went home
2016-11-27T07:55:06 < englishman> all lunix'd out
2016-11-27T07:56:51 < jadew> ohsix, across the many years of never releasing false information
2016-11-27T07:57:25 < ReadErr> n e PDN analyzer medicine out yet?
2016-11-27T07:57:51 < ohsix> jadew: well, eh; the problem is with 'false', sure
2016-11-27T07:58:22 < ohsix> but the thing confusing me is that they say they have, and are releasing things that are not what they say
2016-11-27T07:58:54 < ohsix> there aren't a lot of outlets even looking at the shit anymore, if they report on it there's insufficient due diligence
2016-11-27T07:59:22 < ReadErr> when have they even put out something interesting lately 
2016-11-27T07:59:36 < ReadErr> nobody gives a shit about emails
2016-11-27T07:59:37 < ohsix> the coup was just something globally interesting for them to stick their dick in
2016-11-27T08:01:37 < englishman> would it make any difference if there was a collection of photos of hillary wearing a strapon and banging and cannibalizing underage children
2016-11-27T08:01:38 < englishman> lik
2016-11-27T08:01:41 < englishman> what would that change?
2016-11-27T08:02:20 < ohsix> yea that's what i'm saying
2016-11-27T08:02:24 < ohsix> i don't think it would, necessarily
2016-11-27T08:02:47 < ohsix> they have a public image that they don't deserve, maybe they did at some point
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2016-11-27T08:03:48 < ohsix> welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll actually, on balance
2016-11-27T08:04:17 < ohsix> wikileaks is kind of irrelevant on tv, and even online outlets don't talk about them much at all anymore, no matter what they do
2016-11-27T08:04:58 < ohsix> it just seems really weird how bad they are at it, almost intentionally bad
2016-11-27T08:05:43 < jadew> ohsix, I find it worrying that you don't hear about that stuff on TV and in papers
2016-11-27T08:06:27 < jadew> it's not a proof of professionalism on the part of the media
2016-11-27T08:06:32 < jadew> on the contrary
2016-11-27T08:07:43 < ohsix> well, if i'm wondering about their credibility, and people are effectively not dealing with it to the degree that they can even mention it, they're probably wondering about their credibility sufficiently, too
2016-11-27T08:08:26 < jadew> why would you worry about someone's credibility if in all the time you've known them, they were brutally honest with you, at all times
2016-11-27T08:08:37 < ohsix> they aren't?
2016-11-27T08:08:44 < ohsix> maybe
2016-11-27T08:08:53 < ohsix> where's the brutal honesty
2016-11-27T08:08:58 < jadew> they've released wrong info?
2016-11-27T08:09:08 < ohsix> they're doing pr for themselves and they're mostly provocateurs
2016-11-27T08:09:13 < ohsix> eh
2016-11-27T08:09:23 < ohsix> they've released information that isn't what they hyped it to be
2016-11-27T08:09:33 < jadew> I was making a metaphore, the brutal honesty is in the implications of the leaked information
2016-11-27T08:09:57 < ohsix> don't think i agree there, that's thought crime territory
2016-11-27T08:10:22 < ohsix> this isn't the george washington bridge thing where they were making jokes about the bridge closure that they definitely did on purpose and in a vindictive & continuing manner
2016-11-27T08:11:02 < ohsix> people actually looked at the podesta shit and there was no 'there' there
2016-11-27T08:11:22 < ohsix> the turkey stuff was garbage they scrubbed
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2016-11-27T08:13:17 < ohsix> way way back in the day it was a bigger thing
2016-11-27T08:14:04 < ohsix> a clearinghouse for getting information out that was able to redact and protect sources of shit, and they did some infrastructure work to tell people how to do it
2016-11-27T08:15:03 < jadew> would you prefer them not to operate at all?
2016-11-27T08:15:13 < ohsix> i think assange might have started thinking about how valuable the information they were getting actually was, in the process of editorializing and hyping the releases
2016-11-27T08:15:19 < ohsix> no
2016-11-27T08:15:44 < jadew> I think you misunderstand
2016-11-27T08:15:55 < ohsix> i'm not making an argument against, just trying to find out why people even fall for it anymore
2016-11-27T08:16:05 < jadew> the way I see all the hype gathering thing, was a way to fight with the regular media
2016-11-27T08:16:27 < jadew> because you have to get attention if you want the information to trully become public
2016-11-27T08:16:40 < jadew> otherwise only a handful of individuals will know about it and everyone else will discard it
2016-11-27T08:16:56 < ohsix> they don't get attention for the 'important' / real / humanitarian-ly valuable information
2016-11-27T08:17:38 < jadew> doesn't that mean that you should focus your displeasure towards the regular media?
2016-11-27T08:17:53 < ohsix> when they were working with the guardian and shit and having real journalists giving proper attention to the information, they were sort of legitimate
2016-11-27T08:18:07 < jadew> I'm willing to bet that every news outlet out there has at least one person keeping a close eye on wikipedia
2016-11-27T08:18:10 < ohsix> the regular media doesn't have anything to do with it, and i don't necessarily trust them either
2016-11-27T08:18:16 < jadew> when something goes out, they munch it all
2016-11-27T08:18:23 < jadew> *wikileaks
2016-11-27T08:18:40 < jadew> the guardian is biased as fuck
2016-11-27T08:18:46 < ohsix> doesn't matter
2016-11-27T08:18:49 < jadew> far left garbage
2016-11-27T08:18:50 < jadew> sure it does
2016-11-27T08:18:54 < ohsix> it doesn't
2016-11-27T08:19:12 < ohsix> they had the resources to look at the information
2016-11-27T08:19:19 < jadew> because if the information doesn't play their tune, then it's normal that they don't get involved in spreading it
2016-11-27T08:19:48 < jadew> same goes for right wing crap
2016-11-27T08:19:54 < ohsix> no
2016-11-27T08:19:56 < ohsix> heh
2016-11-27T08:20:20 < ohsix> finding out if you can corroborate something before you report on it isn't negotiable
2016-11-27T08:20:49 < jadew> ohsix, obviously, can you point to one instance where the inforamtion was false?
2016-11-27T08:21:24 < ohsix> how would that help me further my understanding of what people think of wikileaks
2016-11-27T08:22:09 < jadew> well, why would you say that corroboration is not negotiable? what point are you trying to make?
2016-11-27T08:22:09 < ohsix> it doesn't even make sense to say whether something was 'false' in this context
2016-11-27T08:22:32 < ReadErr> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/tiYTVEwWy3G-xtnVGIUbjM-Q3q6UWsfUG8BNtrUDBpUcEuugutlfgoL0nmq9jPIJ502UTpYy8yeuEnwjmRqSRldh6K2xMC6LrulF-bWkxHvgOIzQ6OO-NfDExej-NBO9cPmR-kzl
2016-11-27T08:22:34 < ReadErr> cool feature
2016-11-27T08:22:49 < ohsix> a news organization will do more work to find out if something is plausible or needs redaction, or basically needs any work whatsoever to verify something isn't complete junk or bullshit
2016-11-27T08:23:01 < ReadErr> how they changed manipulation of shapes
2016-11-27T08:23:19 < ohsix> an individual person at a news organization will have some institutional memory of what they report on and what they're tipped off to
2016-11-27T08:23:40 < jadew> ohsix, I don't see where you're going with this
2016-11-27T08:23:42 < ohsix> ReadErr: wut, it worked differently from that before?
2016-11-27T08:23:47 < jadew> what's your point?
2016-11-27T08:23:55 < ReadErr> yea im pretty sure
2016-11-27T08:23:58 < ohsix> 21:49 < ohsix> where did they pick up the trust to actually do this shit and have anyone entertain them
2016-11-27T08:24:19 < jadew> ohsix and I answered to you
2016-11-27T08:24:19 < ReadErr> http://www.altium.com/blog/Altium-Designer-17-Now-Available
2016-11-27T08:24:23 < ReadErr> Modifying copper polygon shapes on your PCB layout should be a snap, and that’s what we’ve done with in Altium Designer 17. Save time customizing your copper polygons with Dynamic Copper. Easily modify existing shapes by adding/subtracting overlaying copper, and customize copper borders with easy-to-use editing modes.
2016-11-27T08:24:29 < ReadErr> seems easier anyways
2016-11-27T08:24:33 < ReadErr> grabbing the node
2016-11-27T08:24:34 < ohsix> and i clarified that they were a pretty legitimate operation at some point in the past
2016-11-27T08:24:46 < jadew> how are they not legitimate now?
2016-11-27T08:24:52 < jadew> that's what I don't get
2016-11-27T08:25:04 < jadew> what makes the information they leak any less valuable
2016-11-27T08:25:13 < ohsix> well, i don't want to say 'have you seen what they're doing on twitter'
2016-11-27T08:25:15 < englishman> because asshenge is dead and they are now controlled by Equation Group
2016-11-27T08:25:24 < ohsix> but have you seen anything they've done in the last 3 years
2016-11-27T08:25:38 < ohsix> jadew: 'information'
2016-11-27T08:25:42 < ohsix> and 'value'
2016-11-27T08:25:47 < jadew> englishman, that's deffinitely something look for, but ohsix is implying something else
2016-11-27T08:26:04 < ohsix> whether it is 'information' even related to what they say it is, is in question
2016-11-27T08:26:09 < ReadErr> wikileaks is used as a vehicle 
2016-11-27T08:26:18 < ReadErr> "podesta emails on wikileaks show he rapes dogs"
2016-11-27T08:26:29 < ReadErr> good luck finding these emails
2016-11-27T08:26:35 < ReadErr> but people see that and believe it
2016-11-27T08:26:39 < jadew> ohsix, given that it's out there, why does that matter?
2016-11-27T08:26:51 < jadew> as I was saying, every paper and their mothers are on wikileaks
2016-11-27T08:26:52 < ReadErr> they often make statements w/o showing proof
2016-11-27T08:26:55 < ohsix> i think you're kind of making my point
2016-11-27T08:26:58 < jadew> they know what's there and they can cover it properly
2016-11-27T08:27:00 < jadew> but they don't
2016-11-27T08:27:17 < jadew> that's what should get you thinking, not the fact that sometime some shit is overhyped by them
2016-11-27T08:27:30 < ohsix> they have resources, they have to spend them to know it isn't an outright fabrication, they have to spend more to actually find out what the information is
2016-11-27T08:27:46 < ohsix> not 'some shit', julian assange and the reps themselves!
2016-11-27T08:28:08 < jadew> yes, they might overhype some shit - I don't even know tbh
2016-11-27T08:28:09 < ohsix> i was never talking about some paper reporting on what wikileaks was doing
2016-11-27T08:28:19 < jadew> but just pointing it out, that that's not a real issue
2016-11-27T08:28:27 < ohsix> in the case of the turkey coup shit it was complete garbage and not what they said it was
2016-11-27T08:28:32 < ohsix> it is a real issue
2016-11-27T08:28:43 < ohsix> it gives some indication they're not acting in good faith
2016-11-27T08:29:00 < jadew> in my opinion, is a symptom of the problem
2016-11-27T08:29:08 < ohsix> what problem
2016-11-27T08:29:15 < ReadErr> englishman: seen dat blackmirror s03?
2016-11-27T08:29:18 < jadew> which is that the media tries so hard to ignore stuff that doesn't play their tune
2016-11-27T08:29:32 < englishman> no havent seen any tv since the black funny man show
2016-11-27T08:29:44 < ReadErr> jadew: look at pizzagate
2016-11-27T08:30:01 < ohsix> they try to ignore stuff because the world is a big place, you don't have to even introduce a political angle or bias framing into it
2016-11-27T08:30:06 < jadew> ReadErr, what exactly is that?
2016-11-27T08:30:06 < ohsix> they can't report everything
2016-11-27T08:30:11 < ReadErr> jadew: heh 
2016-11-27T08:30:17 < ReadErr> good luck figuring it out
2016-11-27T08:30:23 < ReadErr> so much disinformation 
2016-11-27T08:30:27 < englishman> jadew: http://www.snopes.com/pizzagate-conspiracy/
2016-11-27T08:30:29 < ohsix> so the question is what they do report, and you're kind of just saying that everyone is bad at it
2016-11-27T08:30:36 < englishman> but keep in mind snopes = jewish media
2016-11-27T08:30:41 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-27T08:30:43 < englishman> so everything they say is false is actually true
2016-11-27T08:31:13 < jadew> ohsix, considering the media was so wrong and against trump, kind of shows you how bad reality gets distorted by them
2016-11-27T08:31:46 < jadew> which it was such a shock to most liberals, because the realities in their countries never reached their ears
2016-11-27T08:31:54 < ohsix> to be fair jadew, shit is weird here now with all the anti-semitism and fake news shit, literal fake news, not slagging off the guardian trifles. it might just be hard to communicate how weird shit is and the context of the question
2016-11-27T08:31:55 < jadew> *why
2016-11-27T08:32:00 < ohsix> jadew: they weren't wrong
2016-11-27T08:32:27 < ReadErr> curious to see what happens w/ this jill stein recount shit
2016-11-27T08:32:32 < ohsix> but how they reacted had him on tv 24/7, clutching pearls and talking about how outraged people are
2016-11-27T08:33:25 < ohsix> jadew: but i think you've shown a way to resolve the bias question, you said the media was 'wrong' which doesn't necessarily even make sense. i think we're talking about completely different things
2016-11-27T08:33:55 < ohsix> too much generalization
2016-11-27T08:34:15 < jadew> obviously wrong by bias
2016-11-27T08:34:17 < ohsix> http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs
2016-11-27T08:34:22 < jadew> not wrong by "oh, we missed that"
2016-11-27T08:34:23 < ohsix> no, wrong doesn't even make sense
2016-11-27T08:34:35 < ohsix> wrong is a question of fact
2016-11-27T08:34:38 < jadew> sure it does, the information they spread, was wrong
2016-11-27T08:34:48 < ohsix> we're in a post-fact world here
2016-11-27T08:34:54 < ohsix> gallileo was wrong
2016-11-27T08:35:17 < ohsix> we've got a way to correct for that and converge on what is more correct over time
2016-11-27T08:35:53 < jadew> well, yeah, the elections proved all the pools to be false
2016-11-27T08:35:55 < ohsix> if we're talking about wikileaks, and say, a drop of emails
2016-11-27T08:35:59 < ohsix> what would be the factual question here?
2016-11-27T08:36:05 < jadew> *polls
2016-11-27T08:36:36 < ReadErr> not really
2016-11-27T08:36:42 < ohsix> no, it didn't; again, it's not exactly correct to call a statistical projection and some given methodology false, unless you misinterpret what they are
2016-11-27T08:37:00 < ohsix> if someone says the cubs will win and they lose, they weren't proven false
2016-11-27T08:37:08 < jadew> ohsix, that's hiding behind the finger
2016-11-27T08:37:22 < jadew> the point is that they've all been biased and they made everyone think that hillary is going to win
2016-11-27T08:37:29 < jadew> while the reality "on the ground" was different
2016-11-27T08:37:42 < ohsix> they weren't wrong until the cubs won, and to think t hat somehow what that person said is related to what the cubs actually did is asinine
2016-11-27T08:37:48 < jadew> if that's not spreading false information, I don't know what is
2016-11-27T08:38:25 < ohsix> k i can't handle this, the potential for damage to peoples images and shit here is too much
2016-11-27T08:38:26 < ReadErr> jadew: not really
2016-11-27T08:38:46 < ReadErr> many had things pretty close
2016-11-27T08:38:48 < ohsix> i like you and i don't want to get really condescending and basic just to make you look bad and try to make a point
2016-11-27T08:39:01 < ohsix> ReadErr and i were actually talking about some of those statistics the other day
2016-11-27T08:39:18 < ReadErr> also theres still some speculation as to if the results are even valid
2016-11-27T08:39:22 < jadew> ReadErr, I only remember seeing polls where HIllary was far in the lead
2016-11-27T08:39:34 < jadew> for me it was a surprise that Trump won
2016-11-27T08:39:35 < ReadErr> since as ballots came in recently, they have shown a different outcome
2016-11-27T08:39:42 < ohsix> we didn't look at the methodology of the thing they were doing though, it was curve fitting, i think i even said we couldn't really say what the output said without the data they had
2016-11-27T08:40:01 < jadew> ReadErr, what do you mean?
2016-11-27T08:40:03 < ohsix> jadew: nobody was in the lead until voting actually started
2016-11-27T08:40:06 < ReadErr> jadew: she was for a while
2016-11-27T08:40:10 < jadew> the final count is different?
2016-11-27T08:40:17 < ReadErr> but then the FBI shit dropped
2016-11-27T08:40:23 < ReadErr> and she took a hit
2016-11-27T08:40:27 < ReadErr> things converged 
2016-11-27T08:40:35 < ReadErr> fairly close
2016-11-27T08:40:35 < ohsix> i'm looking at my phone right now, there is a model that predicts the temperature tomorrow afternoon. is that information false? when does it become 'true'
2016-11-27T08:41:00 < ReadErr> polls are simply a model of how likely something is
2016-11-27T08:41:07 < ohsix> here's some real talk criticism of the media: a close election means people are watching their ads and their channel
2016-11-27T08:41:16 < ohsix> they fund the polling and report on it
2016-11-27T08:41:37 < ReadErr> jadew: and going off the #s
2016-11-27T08:41:39 < ohsix> the polls and their methodology is the only thing that approaches science in this whole thing, and the media companies use it to keep it close
2016-11-27T08:41:42 < ReadErr> she did win the popular vote
2016-11-27T08:41:49 < ohsix> by huge
2016-11-27T08:42:02 < ohsix> you could say that all those predictions are still right
2016-11-27T08:42:19 < ohsix> but it doesn't end up representing electoral college votes, because it is polling all people
2016-11-27T08:42:44 < ohsix> california has 29 electoral votes and shitloads of people
2016-11-27T08:42:47 < ohsix> so does new york
2016-11-27T08:43:06 < ReadErr> the sample size is small when you consider all the states
2016-11-27T08:43:15 < ReadErr> given most polls had 100-1000 people
2016-11-27T08:43:20 < ReadErr> scientific ones anyways
2016-11-27T08:43:25 < ohsix> so when you put samples from those counties up against states that are much less dense, and counties that are much less dense, you have a lot of work to do
2016-11-27T08:43:31 < ohsix> sure
2016-11-27T08:43:51 < ohsix> and from what i just said, that implies that you could poll the entire country and you'd still need weighting to get a representative sample
2016-11-27T08:44:17 < ohsix> they have p values and shit to pick a representative sample size, and hopefully good methodology for locating people they poll
2016-11-27T08:44:37 < ohsix> but that's down to an individual poll and i haven't done the work in actually reading any of them
2016-11-27T08:45:01 < ohsix> a poll doesn't really have that much utility to me personally
2016-11-27T08:45:17 < ohsix> i don't have a vested interest in a close election
2016-11-27T08:45:51 < ohsix> and to be clear, statistics is nothing like what wikileaks is doing or does
2016-11-27T08:46:09 < ohsix> if wikileaks was of any size anymore, with the hotness in machine learning right now, they'd be using that shit
2016-11-27T08:46:20 < jadew> I was just pointing out that the media is largely biased
2016-11-27T08:46:40 < ohsix> that doesn't do me any good, even if it were true
2016-11-27T08:46:58 < ohsix> when you talk about 'the media', you mean some given entity where it is probably inarguable where there is significant bias
2016-11-27T08:47:15 < jadew> if you don't agree with that, then yeah, your assumptions about wikileaks are correct
2016-11-27T08:47:16 < ohsix> but when i respond to 'the media', i'm thinking of all of them as potential sources i could use to do due diligence
2016-11-27T08:47:29 < ohsix> i can't agree with it, it is an incomplete statement
2016-11-27T08:47:34 < jadew> because it would mean that impartial and professional parties, disagree with what wikileaks has to say
2016-11-27T08:47:41 < jadew> and hence, they're not worth considering
2016-11-27T08:47:44 < ohsix> are physicists biased with respect to physics
2016-11-27T08:48:10 < ohsix> contrast with how i might be personally biased with respect to race or peoples appearance
2016-11-27T08:48:22 < ohsix> there's a spectrum here
2016-11-27T08:48:37 < jadew> ohsix, can you please stick to the point?
2016-11-27T08:48:48 < jadew> or if you make an analogy, make sure it's not an awfully broad one
2016-11-27T08:48:50 < ohsix> when you're talking about biases, personal ones, they can be identified, and a group of people might have their own complementary biases
2016-11-27T08:48:55 < jadew> because it invites me to discuss that too
2016-11-27T08:49:24 < ohsix> so far i've just wondered why people continue to give them any air, and you've said the media is biased
2016-11-27T08:49:43 < ohsix> like, they're personally just annoying to me cuz if they're mentioned i know it's bullshit
2016-11-27T08:49:45 < jadew> people give them air, because the info is true and some of it is worth knowing
2016-11-27T08:49:50 < ohsix> and for some perspective, how about this
2016-11-27T08:50:15 < ohsix> when there are school or night club shootings, when i was watching tv news, i would be annoyed that they'd be talking about a shooting all day, and most of the week
2016-11-27T08:50:28 < ohsix> i dont' give a shit, they're gewgawing all over about shit i couldn't care less about
2016-11-27T08:50:56 < ohsix> you can't assign a truth value to leaked emails
2016-11-27T08:50:57 < ReadErr> what do they do with all the donations
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2016-11-27T08:51:03 < ReadErr> they can buy machine time @ amazon
2016-11-27T08:51:10 < ReadErr> and burn though shit
2016-11-27T08:51:24 < jadew> ohsix, by default, a leak is true
2016-11-27T08:51:27 < ohsix> it's literally not something you can do, the emails are either real or fake, you can authenticate them if you are able, and if you can't they're worse than garbage
2016-11-27T08:51:32 < ohsix> woah
2016-11-27T08:51:33 < jadew> it means someone said that
2016-11-27T08:51:39 < jadew> it means those things exist
2016-11-27T08:51:40 < ohsix> no it doesn't
2016-11-27T08:51:47 < jadew> otherwise they wouldn't be called leaks, they'd be called fabrications
2016-11-27T08:51:50 < jadew> or speculations
2016-11-27T08:52:22 < ohsix> ok but you understand that assange has a personal interest in being an important figure right? and his hype has been not entirely truthful a few times
2016-11-27T08:52:31 < ohsix> how does that reflect on the output of the organization?
2016-11-27T08:52:40 < jadew> ohsix, of course, because otherwise his voice would be dampened
2016-11-27T08:52:47 < ohsix> it's not his voice
2016-11-27T08:53:01 < ohsix> you're assuming any of this stuff is true and you can't do that
2016-11-27T08:53:03 < jadew> you don't risk your whole life to spread information, just so you can't be heard
2016-11-27T08:53:09 < ohsix> he's not risking his life
2016-11-27T08:53:14 < jadew> sure he is
2016-11-27T08:53:18 < jadew> he might not even be alive anymore
2016-11-27T08:53:20 < ohsix> all the cloak and dagger stuff is mostly bullshit
2016-11-27T08:53:32 < ohsix> oh, eh, are you concerned about that?
2016-11-27T08:53:38 < jadew> I don't care
2016-11-27T08:53:44 < jadew> but I'm pointing it out
2016-11-27T08:53:48 < ohsix> why
2016-11-27T08:54:01 < ohsix> why even think about it before there's some evidence
2016-11-27T08:54:04 < jadew> making a point obout how risking your life for nothing would be stupid
2016-11-27T08:54:11 < jadew> if you decided to spread info, you'd want hype
2016-11-27T08:54:18 < ohsix> but you're inferring there is a something
2016-11-27T08:54:24 < jadew> there's no other way to raise your voice above that of the established media
2016-11-27T08:54:35 < jadew> which obviously doesn't cover almost any of the leaks
2016-11-27T08:54:42 < ohsix> you don't need to compete with them
2016-11-27T08:54:47 < jadew> of course you do
2016-11-27T08:54:50 < ohsix> no you don't
2016-11-27T08:54:53 < jadew> ...
2016-11-27T08:55:00 < ohsix> how do we know what assange/wikileaks has said on twitter?
2016-11-27T08:55:01 < jadew> ok, I'm done with this discussion
2016-11-27T08:56:15 < ohsix> this is way beyond benefit of the doubt, and your position wasn't even something i'd considered people having, i was talking about basic legitimacy and what it even means anymore
2016-11-27T08:56:37 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_regression
2016-11-27T08:57:25 < ohsix> blah blah statistics, false positives, those clusters being close to eachother or distinct don't necessarily mean they're correlations and all those caveats
2016-11-27T08:58:10 < ohsix> when on earth in any other situation do you presume something as hefty as something wikileaks distributes as true? there's uh, extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence
2016-11-27T08:58:19 < ohsix> and hitchens' razor
2016-11-27T08:58:43 < ohsix> 'wikileaks' (in this case, the twitter account) is constant asserting unverifiable claims
2016-11-27T08:58:50 < jadew> ffs... you keep saying that and when I ask you to point to a piece of false information they've realeased you say you didn't say it
2016-11-27T08:59:05 < ohsix> and the thing that actually prompted me asking about it was their actions with stuff about the turkey coup
2016-11-27T08:59:11 < ohsix> no, no
2016-11-27T08:59:24 < ohsix> you like don't even understand the basic fundaments of truth and knowledge
2016-11-27T08:59:29 < ohsix> we need to go back to the basics
2016-11-27T08:59:44 < ohsix> if i tell you there's an invisible pink dragon in my garage, do you believe me?
2016-11-27T09:00:08 < ohsix> i cant' show you because it is invisible, and because it is invisible you'll have to take my word for it that it is both pink and a dragon
2016-11-27T09:00:24 < jadew> ohsix, that's a stupid analogy
2016-11-27T09:00:36 < ReadErr> the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence 
2016-11-27T09:00:38 < ohsix> does anything i do carry the benefit of being true by default if i call it a leak?
2016-11-27T09:01:07 < jadew> ohsix, are you seriously making that point and assuming my logic is broken?
2016-11-27T09:01:13 < ohsix> like if i made up soem cables that sounded like it was from an important state actor, or related to something as crazy as the south korean cult stuff, and in there, someone spoke about an invisible pink dragon
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2016-11-27T09:01:28 < ohsix> i'm not assuming, you've demonstrated faulty reasoning :\
2016-11-27T09:01:48 < jadew> your analogy is wrong because the leaks are actual documents that can be verified
2016-11-27T09:01:49 < ohsix> if it is a stupid analogy, tell me how it is different from 'leaks are presumed true'
2016-11-27T09:02:00 < ohsix> lets ignore wikileaks and just focus on a 'leak' being presumed true
2016-11-27T09:02:06 < ohsix> verified by whom?
2016-11-27T09:02:10 < jadew> there was no instance where an organization came forth and was like "hold on, we never wrote that"
2016-11-27T09:02:18 < ohsix> why would they?
2016-11-27T09:02:20 < jadew> in fact people have gone to jail for stuff released there
2016-11-27T09:02:30 < jadew> because the leaks were true and were backed by actual documents
2016-11-27T09:02:55 < ohsix> they give up plausible deniability, and if they make an affirmitive claim they invite legal trouble, even if there is nothing there they'd be taking a risk that would cost them more money, it doesn't make sense for almost anyone in that situation to even talk about what happened
2016-11-27T09:03:00 < jadew> I'm going to do something else
2016-11-27T09:03:03 < jadew> ttyl
2016-11-27T09:03:40 < ohsix> the fun thing about 'an organization' is that they can be fabricated too, a non-existing organization or person isn't going to be very chatty
2016-11-27T09:04:05 < ohsix> http://www.denverpost.com/2016/11/05/there-is-no-such-thing-as-the-denver-guardian/
2016-11-27T09:04:17 < ohsix> this is an actual news organization verifying something really silly
2016-11-27T09:04:59 < jadew> show me one on wikileaks or stfu
2016-11-27T09:05:03 < ohsix> it's so trite and dismissive to say 'don't believe everything you read'
2016-11-27T09:05:17 < jadew> stop pointing me into random directions that are not related to the point of discussion
2016-11-27T09:05:27 < ohsix> i did
2016-11-27T09:05:31 < ohsix> 21:41 < ohsix> http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/07/why-did-wikileaks-help-dox-most-of-turkeys-adult-female-population.html
2016-11-27T09:05:41 < ohsix> and they are related to the discussion
2016-11-27T09:06:36 < ohsix> that's way old
2016-11-27T09:06:43 < ohsix> eh wtf date on the video is today
2016-11-27T09:07:05 < ohsix> do you watch TYT on the reg or something
2016-11-27T09:07:54 < ohsix> jadew: if you believe wikileaks, assange is alive https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/802633055194247168
2016-11-27T09:08:50 < jadew> LeelooMinai, nice one
2016-11-27T09:09:36 < ohsix> oof huhuh actually reading their twitter
2016-11-27T09:09:49 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/795747649563557888 tell me how that one is relevant to anything
2016-11-27T09:10:35 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/795586849335083008
2016-11-27T09:10:56 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/795503927378722816
2016-11-27T09:11:00 < ohsix> nothing to see here
2016-11-27T09:11:13 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/795490673411686404
2016-11-27T09:11:47 < ohsix> i guess ReadErr already got there a while ago
2016-11-27T09:11:58 < upgrdman> with a spectrum analyzer, whats the name for those automatic labels at the peaks in the waveforms? peak markers?
2016-11-27T09:12:16 < ohsix> sounds like a good enough name
2016-11-27T09:12:21 < ohsix> but probably 'fundamental'
2016-11-27T09:12:38 < ohsix> basically the highest amplitude signal in the thing, maybe the next few too
2016-11-27T09:12:48 < ReadErr> so ive been looking into something
2016-11-27T09:13:04 < ReadErr> arbitrage on amazon looking for pricing mistakes
2016-11-27T09:13:06 < ohsix> if you're looking at a pure signal you might be interested in the harmonics and stuff, anything 'large' is probably what you're interested
2016-11-27T09:13:11 < ReadErr> or drastic drops
2016-11-27T09:13:27 < ReadErr> but the search shit sucks
2016-11-27T09:13:30 < ohsix> people do retail arbitrage onto amazon
2016-11-27T09:13:34 < ohsix> yes
2016-11-27T09:13:48 < ohsix> that's the most infuriating thing about people buying stuff on amazon huhuhu
2016-11-27T09:13:55 < ReadErr> so need to scrape the product#, and query them direct 
2016-11-27T09:14:09 < ohsix> they're basically just a regular store and the default results might be their line card/sku on a hypothetical real shelf
2016-11-27T09:14:16 < ReadErr> they limit you to 1 req/sec
2016-11-27T09:14:21 < jadew> upgrdman, yeah
2016-11-27T09:14:27 < upgrdman> k
2016-11-27T09:14:37 < ohsix> don't try and do it on amazon, find people doing clearouts and sales that are sub amazon price
2016-11-27T09:14:40 < jadew> and the ones that are not following the peaks are just markers
2016-11-27T09:14:49 < ohsix> then sell for the price that gets you near the first results
2016-11-27T09:14:57 < ReadErr> ohsix: ive found plenty of price fuckuations
2016-11-27T09:15:09 < ReadErr> like a 160$ thing for 30
2016-11-27T09:15:18 < ReadErr> I buy 2x and the price jacks back up
2016-11-27T09:15:22 < ReadErr> instantly
2016-11-27T09:15:50 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-27T09:16:34 < ohsix> upgrdman: what they're marking isn't usually a peak, that is, the information that is relevant isn't that it is the tallest
2016-11-27T09:17:02 < ohsix> all of the 'peaks' are the frequencies you're interested in
2016-11-27T09:17:14 < upgrdman> ya
2016-11-27T09:17:20 < upgrdman> thats why i was unsure of the name
2016-11-27T09:17:34 < upgrdman> i usually see them mark the fundamental and the big harmonics
2016-11-27T09:17:46 < ohsix> yea they're just markers
2016-11-27T09:17:57 < ohsix> like uh
2016-11-27T09:18:26 < ohsix> you know pulse width readout that infers frequency from 1/f in scopes, kind of like that kind of readout, except it is relevant in frequency domain and there are multiple ones of interest
2016-11-27T09:18:44 < upgrdman> ya
2016-11-27T09:18:59 < upgrdman> i know what they are, and i've used them, i just dont know the proper name
2016-11-27T09:19:13 < ohsix> i don't think there is one, but i'm looking
2016-11-27T09:19:23 < ohsix> just 'marker'
2016-11-27T09:19:33 < upgrdman> i even wrote a crude algorithm for my stm32 spectrum analyer to mark the fundamental on the plot
2016-11-27T09:19:47 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-27T09:19:59 < ohsix> i got that dso138 thing i wanna try that kind of junk on
2016-11-27T09:20:07 < ohsix> has f103 and programming header on it
2016-11-27T09:20:18 < upgrdman> http://farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-09-27_Servo_Tester,_2.4GHz_Spectrum_Analyzer,_Tetris/pic2.jpg
2016-11-27T09:20:20 < ohsix> that'll be way out though :< dunno when, if ever
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2016-11-27T09:20:33 < ohsix> noice
2016-11-27T09:20:52 < ohsix> is that log or linear?
2016-11-27T09:21:10 < jadew> looks logarithmic
2016-11-27T09:21:10 < ohsix> i see 'tracking marker' in some documentation
2016-11-27T09:21:13 < upgrdman> log
2016-11-27T09:21:16 < upgrdman> dBm
2016-11-27T09:22:17 < upgrdman> RSSI from CC2500, and the datashit gives a formular to convert it to dBm. of course, it's kinda a joke since im using a pcb antenna ... but ya :)
2016-11-27T09:22:26 < ohsix> anyways i hope none of you jerks think something is true just because i said it
2016-11-27T09:22:34 < ohsix> what's it for upgrdman?
2016-11-27T09:23:10 < ohsix> blah
2016-11-27T09:23:12 < upgrdman> mostly to look cool, but i also used to work in the RC hobby industry and it was nice to look at different radios' spectrum usage
2016-11-27T09:23:28 < ohsix> you know what i find most interesting but never ever get to do, is the kind of ui garbage you're doing, just putting stuff together
2016-11-27T09:23:44 < upgrdman> e.g. some shit DSS radio that just used 2 channels instead of spread rectum tech
2016-11-27T09:23:46 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-27T09:24:08 < ohsix> so cc2500 lets you do discrete frequency selectino or does it give you fft bins or are you hopping channels or wut
2016-11-27T09:24:50 < upgrdman> it was also kinda neat to see different FHSS systems. old designs used ass load of bandwidth, newer ones were much more efficient
2016-11-27T09:25:24 < upgrdman> ohsix, im manually sweeping the band (changing channels) and for each channel i wait for it to settle, then read RSSI.
2016-11-27T09:26:23 < ohsix> jadew: i hope you don't feel too bad, i had a guy that i was arguing with IRL a few weeks ago generally mistrusting nasa and calling stuff fake (to be fair, it started as something actually fake from china space program) he said electrons move at the speed of light in a wire and it was all of the sudden about so much else
2016-11-27T09:26:29 < ohsix> upgrdman: kewl
2016-11-27T09:26:35 < ohsix> how long does full sweep take
2016-11-27T09:26:59 < jadew> ohsix, everyone knows they move really slow
2016-11-27T09:27:08 < jadew> it's the wave that moves at nearly the speed of light
2016-11-27T09:27:08 < ohsix> not this guy
2016-11-27T09:27:37 < ohsix> he showed me some pictures from moon transiting the earth and was like 'does this look fake?'
2016-11-27T09:27:39 < upgrdman> ohsix, https://youtu.be/axYgyjWLWhE?t=580
2016-11-27T09:27:41 < ohsix> and i was just dumbfounded
2016-11-27T09:28:25 < ohsix> i was like 'if we had to we could calculate when that was launched, where it would be, where the earth and moon was at that time', his main thing was that it was a time lapse, because it wasn't video but a sequence of frames (which is all you get over low bandwidth links like that)
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2016-11-27T09:29:21 < ohsix> upgrdman: nice
2016-11-27T09:29:51 < upgrdman> thx
2016-11-27T09:30:45 < ohsix> i get trapped in a lot of arguments where' i'm just floored with incredulity of this person existing huhu
2016-11-27T09:30:55 < ohsix> i'm naive
2016-11-27T09:31:35 < upgrdman> i used to work customer service. now im surprised when i talk to random people and they AREN'T dumb as fuck
2016-11-27T09:32:00 < ohsix> yea i've had more of that lately than not
2016-11-27T09:32:12 < ohsix> was working with, if not smart, extremely well meaning people
2016-11-27T09:32:15 < ohsix> it was different
2016-11-27T09:32:18 < zyp> upgrdman, selection bias
2016-11-27T09:32:25 < upgrdman> i know
2016-11-27T09:32:35 < ohsix> zyp: his random sample methodology sucks too
2016-11-27T09:33:06 < zyp> the thing with customer service is that the customers calling are the ones too dumb to figure out shit on their own
2016-11-27T09:33:16 < upgrdman> well aware of that :)
2016-11-27T09:33:21 < englishman> sigh
2016-11-27T09:33:30 < englishman> syncthing doesnt even support android sdcard
2016-11-27T09:33:40 < jadew> man... I called my ISP one night and the conversation was painful
2016-11-27T09:33:54 < upgrdman> one of my coworkers was a young woman. she was competent. it was so nice hearing the customers squirm when some teen girl helped them solve a problem.
2016-11-27T09:34:04 < jadew> "hey, so my router can't connect to the internet anymore"
2016-11-27T09:34:10 < jadew> "how are you connected to the router?"
2016-11-27T09:34:23 < ohsix> i still like the guy but it's been tough, like working with an ex girlfriend or something
2016-11-27T09:34:32 < jadew> "via cable, I know this because I'm in its control panel, in the web interface"
2016-11-27T09:34:45 < jadew> "- can you tell me on which port you are connected?"
2016-11-27T09:34:50 < jadew> "- what?"
2016-11-27T09:34:58 < ohsix> i knew about lasers and we talked about it a bunch, he worked at spectra physics way back in the day, was in national geographic and shit
2016-11-27T09:35:17 < jadew> "I just told you the connection to the router works, the issue is between the router and your network"
2016-11-27T09:35:25 < ohsix> he has contrail videos on his youtube :\
2016-11-27T09:35:27 < jadew> "- Please tell me which port you are connected to"
2016-11-27T09:35:56 < upgrdman> jadew, :/ feel your pain, bro
2016-11-27T09:36:02 < ohsix> jadew: that stuff is why i hate it
2016-11-27T09:36:26 < ohsix> you need to call them first and go through their script, or be prepared to do it all over again if you've ruled out everything but them, and have to call
2016-11-27T09:36:37 < ohsix> they can't get out of the phone tree shit
2016-11-27T09:36:43 < ohsix> sometimes talking to a manager helps
2016-11-27T09:37:36 < ohsix> i get extensions for IS or whatever if i'm able
2016-11-27T09:37:44 < ohsix> i've never had to call one tho
2016-11-27T09:41:40 < ohsix> heh you know how people can call and sound like what they're doin gto do social engineering shit
2016-11-27T09:41:55 < ohsix> you can also do that, except know what you're talking about
2016-11-27T09:42:19 < ohsix> call centers are friggin paranoid about that stuff though, you can't make mistakes that harms your rep if you stick to the script
2016-11-27T09:43:28 < ohsix> did i post this ? http://www.noncuntism.org/
2016-11-27T09:44:26 < ohsix> i just realized there's a huge problem
2016-11-27T09:44:32 < ohsix> graph starts with self assessment
2016-11-27T09:44:37 < ohsix> this religion is bullshit
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2016-11-27T09:52:35 < ohsix> sleepytime
2016-11-27T09:52:39 < ohsix> whole day of nothing tomorrow
2016-11-27T09:54:28 < englishman> stvn
2016-11-27T09:54:35 < englishman> should i give lildongs a meringue
2016-11-27T09:54:52 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/nA9r0hs.jpg
2016-11-27T09:57:56 < stvn> ty
2016-11-27T09:58:08 < englishman> stvn: i gave him a meringue
2016-11-27T09:58:10 < stvn> of course
2016-11-27T09:58:14 < stvn> you should
2016-11-27T09:58:18 < stvn> he returned your boots
2016-11-27T09:58:51 < stvn> :D
2016-11-27T09:59:02 < englishman> high quality kittens
2016-11-27T09:59:17 < stvn> indeed
2016-11-27T10:01:40 < englishman> these are wifeishmans meringues
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2016-11-27T10:01:45 < englishman> with maple syrup
2016-11-27T10:02:02 < stvn> an excellent choice
2016-11-27T10:07:08 < englishman> lildongs made a video
2016-11-27T10:07:38 < stvn> rly
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2016-11-27T10:14:24 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W8XPnZpxbU
2016-11-27T10:14:26 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/bxUSOwB.png
2016-11-27T10:16:11 < zyp> upgrdman, so, how many iterations would that run for?
2016-11-27T10:16:20 < stvn> classic englishman 
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2016-11-27T10:17:16 < upgrdman> zyp, "a lot"
2016-11-27T10:18:26 < zyp> not necessarily
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2016-11-27T10:19:05 < zyp> if i is an int8_t, it'll only do 127 iterations
2016-11-27T10:19:32 < englishman> thats only 508 LOLs
2016-11-27T10:20:06 < stvn> now we're f--k`d
2016-11-27T10:20:09 < englishman> which, you have to admit, is a lot of lols
2016-11-27T10:20:25 < zyp> it's a cute trick question, it looks like an infinite loop, but it'll break as soon as i+1 overflows
2016-11-27T10:20:51 < englishman> it could easily be uint64_t
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2016-11-27T10:21:11 < upgrdman> zyp, arent overflows undefined behavior
2016-11-27T10:21:13 < zyp> thus «not necessarily» :)
2016-11-27T10:21:18 < upgrdman> e.g. they dont have to wrap
2016-11-27T10:21:29 < englishman> integer addition is quite defined
2016-11-27T10:21:35 < upgrdman> o ok
2016-11-27T10:21:36 < zyp> oh no, overflows are very well defined
2016-11-27T10:22:50 < upgrdman> lol  http://imgur.com/a/t6JSb
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2016-11-27T10:24:22 < englishman> irregardless
2016-11-27T10:24:31 < englishman> submitting ticket for wrong project
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2016-11-27T10:29:08 < upgrdman> quality code  http://pastebin.com/zzWvb0iv
2016-11-27T10:37:20 < jadew> upgrdman, does the job and also shows a big line number count in the git stats
2016-11-27T10:37:54 < upgrdman> lol
2016-11-27T10:38:31 < jadew> someone should write a "Loop unwrapping plugin for your fav. IDE."
2016-11-27T10:38:54 < jadew> you select the for finite and known range for loop, hit unwrap and you get that :D
2016-11-27T10:39:15 < jadew> *for-finite-and-known-range
2016-11-27T10:39:45 < jadew> in c++ you get that as a language feature :D
2016-11-27T10:40:01 < jadew> you can use variadic templates to generate similar code (on a binary level)
2016-11-27T10:41:49 < stvn> grub
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2016-11-27T10:46:16 < ReadErr> hat game r u making upgrdman 
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2016-11-27T10:47:57 < jadew> card game: http://i.imgur.com/2BAIE7t.gif
2016-11-27T10:48:31 < upgrdman> ReadErr, not my code. from r/programminghumor
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2016-11-27T10:48:49 < ReadErr> aint you been trying to do something with opengl ?
2016-11-27T10:49:27 < upgrdman> oh that
2016-11-27T10:49:28 < upgrdman> ya
2016-11-27T10:49:31 < upgrdman> not a game tho
2016-11-27T10:49:38 < upgrdman> data visualization
2016-11-27T10:49:44 < upgrdman> and its working great
2016-11-27T10:49:56 < ReadErr> any yotube demos up?
2016-11-27T10:50:04 < upgrdman> ya
2016-11-27T10:50:14 < upgrdman> just uploaded a second one earlier today
2016-11-27T10:50:17 < upgrdman> one sec
2016-11-27T10:50:34 < upgrdman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYyW16FYqE0
2016-11-27T10:54:10 < ReadErr> oh tight
2016-11-27T10:54:18 < ReadErr> will have to watch it later, 1hr heh
2016-11-27T10:55:39 < upgrdman> ya only the first 5 mins is decent
2016-11-27T10:55:44 < upgrdman> rest is just filler bullshit
2016-11-27T10:56:02 < upgrdman> and ad revenue correlates with watch time... :)
2016-11-27T10:56:11 < ReadErr> looks good
2016-11-27T10:56:16 < upgrdman> thx
2016-11-27T10:57:13 < ReadErr> is there any decent highspeed usb interface for regular folk
2016-11-27T10:57:30 < upgrdman> how high
2016-11-27T10:57:36 < ReadErr> like quad spi to usb that shows up as serial or so
2016-11-27T10:57:49 < upgrdman> how many Mbps
2016-11-27T10:57:50 < ReadErr> or something non dumb to use with normal apps
2016-11-27T10:58:04 < ReadErr> idk I dont have a specific need, was just curious
2016-11-27T10:58:29 < upgrdman> well i havnt dicked with it, but ftdi's have a fifo mode iirc
2016-11-27T10:58:33 < upgrdman> mmm
2016-11-27T10:58:36 < upgrdman> wtf do they call it..
2016-11-27T10:59:38 < ReadErr> cypress has some high speed usb crap too
2016-11-27T10:59:51 < ReadErr> but nobody got time to deal with writing drivers and such
2016-11-27T10:59:59 < ReadErr> figured there would be something out for this
2016-11-27T11:00:05 < upgrdman> ftdi can supposedly do 30Mbps
2016-11-27T11:00:19 < upgrdman> with this MPSSE shit
2016-11-27T11:00:22 < upgrdman> their*
2016-11-27T11:01:01 < upgrdman> The FT232H is a single channel USB 2.0 Hi-Speed (480Mb/s) to UART/FIFO IC. It can be configured in a
2016-11-27T11:01:01 < upgrdman> variety of industry standard serial or parallel interfaces, such as MPSSE - JTAG, SPI, I2C.
2016-11-27T11:01:01 < upgrdman> The C232HM MPSSE cable is easily configured into each interface e.g. JTAG, SPI, I2C via the application
2016-11-27T11:01:01 < upgrdman> software.
2016-11-27T11:01:01 < upgrdman> The cable is powered from a USB host port and is USB 2.0 Hi-S
2016-11-27T11:01:30 < upgrdman>  USB 2.0 Hi-Speed compatible. The cable is 0.5m long
2016-11-27T11:01:30 < upgrdman> and supports a data transfer up to 30Mbps in MPSSE mode
2016-11-27T11:02:31 < ReadErr> FT232H looks okay
2016-11-27T11:02:54 < ReadErr> many interface options
2016-11-27T11:03:30 < upgrdman> i think you have to use FIFO mode to get that 30Mbps
2016-11-27T11:03:43 < ReadErr> its MBytes*
2016-11-27T11:03:47 < ReadErr> very fastly
2016-11-27T11:03:50 < upgrdman> spi and i2c are definitely not usage for that with that chip
2016-11-27T11:04:09 < ReadErr>  	  FT232H - Hi-Speed Single Channel USB UART/FIFO IC
2016-11-27T11:04:09 < ReadErr> Operating at USB Hi-Speed 480Mbps rate, this fast single channel bridge chip features either a flexible serial interface or parallel FIFO interface, with data transfer speeds up to 40Mbytes/s. Using a serial EEPROM interface, this device can be configured for a wide variety of asynchronous and synchronous serial standards, such as JTAG, SPI, I2C and UART as
2016-11-27T11:04:09 < ReadErr> well as synchronous and asynchronous parallel FIFO interfaces. In addition, this device features the new synchronous, half-duplex FT1248 bus, which allows an engineer to trade off bandwidth for pin count using 1, 2, 4, or 8 data lines at up to 30Mbytes/s. The I/O structure is 3.3V with built-in tolerance for 5V, allowing the designer maximum flexibility when
2016-11-27T11:04:09 < ReadErr> interfacing with FPGAs.  On-board voltage regulation provides 3.3V and 1.8V supplies from a 5V source, as well as a power-on-reset function. FTDI provides royalty-free virtual com port and D2XX drivers for Microsoft Windows (XP – Windows7), Apple Mac OSX, and Linux. This 48 pin device is available in either LQFP or QFN packaging, and is ROHS compliant. 
2016-11-27T11:04:54 < upgrdman> nice. their mpsse pdf must be outdated then
2016-11-27T11:05:06 < ReadErr> they even claim 40MB/s there
2016-11-27T11:05:14 < ReadErr> which is pretty impressive
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2016-11-27T12:38:53 < PaulFertser> In fact, it's known OpenOCD can use MPSSE devices (ft232h included) for jtagging at 30MHz.
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2016-11-27T13:54:29 < stvn> someone held me horse while i got on
2016-11-27T13:54:39 < Steffanx> afaik overflowing a signed integer is undefined behaviour in C zyp ..
2016-11-27T13:55:07 < Steffanx> "held me horse" wtf does that mean stvn?
2016-11-27T13:55:45 < stvn> idk saw it on a documentary about drug addicts
2016-11-27T13:59:28 < kakimir> "rite"
2016-11-27T13:59:33 < stvn> welcome kakimir 
2016-11-27T14:00:36 < kakimir> hello
2016-11-27T14:01:49 < stvn> did you rebuild your tractor?
2016-11-27T14:02:26 < kakimir> done
2016-11-27T14:03:02 < Steffanx> Did you buy the new Rollercoaster tycoon yet stvn? Sounds like the game you would play.
2016-11-27T14:06:26 < stvn> n
2016-11-27T14:06:32 < stvn> did you get it Steffanx ?
2016-11-27T14:06:43 < Steffanx> nein
2016-11-27T14:08:11 < stvn> how about goat simulator
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2016-11-27T14:21:40 < Steffanx> nein
2016-11-27T14:24:36 < stvn> nein
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2016-11-27T14:27:57 < stvn> Steffanx, where is gary?
2016-11-27T14:28:14 < Steffanx> Closer to you then to me, im pretty sure o that.
2016-11-27T14:28:20 < stvn> lol
2016-11-27T14:28:23 < Steffanx> *than?
2016-11-27T14:28:28 < stvn> i see
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2016-11-27T15:21:42 < stvn> plz~
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2016-11-27T16:09:54 < kakimir> so I failed to use Eclipse and there is nobody to receive all my crap
2016-11-27T16:10:38 < kakimir> someone always should - and for free too
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2016-11-27T16:11:01 < Tectu> maybe a bit of a noob question but when I do this: http://paste.ugfx.io/show/238f184d82  
2016-11-27T16:11:05 < Tectu> will line 13 overwrite what line 6 did?
2016-11-27T16:11:19 < Tectu> or does HAL_GPIO_Init() mask internally?
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2016-11-27T16:13:06 < Kliment> Tectu: The struct is no longer used after the function returns
2016-11-27T16:13:38 < Tectu> Kliment, I am referring to the fact that line 13 calls HAL_GPIO_Init() on the same port again (GPIOA)
2016-11-27T16:13:39 < Kliment> Tectu: ST's own code reuses structs all the time
2016-11-27T16:13:55 < Kliment> Tectu: Doesn't make a difference
2016-11-27T16:14:23 < Tectu> ok, so this code should successfully initialize GPIOA4 as push/pull output and GPIOA5 to 7 as SPI stuff?
2016-11-27T16:15:08 < Kliment> Looks like it to me
2016-11-27T16:15:28 < Kliment> Well, as successfully as HAL can :)
2016-11-27T16:15:51 < Tectu> Kliment, thanks
2016-11-27T16:18:03 < Tectu> why the !@#$%^&* is this not working
2016-11-27T16:18:06 < Tectu> Kliment, pls fix
2016-11-27T16:19:02 < zyp> Tectu, so did you initialize GPIO_InitStruct before using it?
2016-11-27T16:19:31 < Tectu> zyp, uhm... nope
2016-11-27T16:19:33 < Kliment> Tectu: Clocks enabled?
2016-11-27T16:20:20 < Kliment> Tectu: Also, how exactly is it not working?
2016-11-27T16:20:28 < Tectu> Kliment, yes. the SPI is working. I am more having an issue with the touchscreen controller interrupt pin (PC4) interfering with the SPI chip select (PA4)
2016-11-27T16:21:33 < Kliment> Tectu: if you disable the interrupt, does it still do that?
2016-11-27T16:22:11 < Tectu> Kliment, I am not using any interrupts at the moment. just probing the IRQ pin of the touchscreen controller with the scope and I see that it is interfering with the SPI data.
2016-11-27T16:26:06 < Tectu> Kliment, zyp, is the GPIO_InitStruct.Alternate field simply ignored if the GPIO_InitStruct.Mode field is not either AF_PP or AF_OD  ?
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2016-11-27T16:27:32 < zyp> how would I know?
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2016-11-27T16:28:52 < ReadErr> Tectu: dont think, I was able to set AF for I2C and still have PU enabled
2016-11-27T16:29:03 < ReadErr> which caused some fuckery 
2016-11-27T16:29:16 < Tectu> ReadErr, I am failing to find a macro for the .Alternate field that says "nothing bro"
2016-11-27T16:29:25 < ReadErr> you just dont set it
2016-11-27T16:29:46 < Tectu> then it has the value it had from the previous pin init
2016-11-27T16:29:58 < ReadErr> oh i see
2016-11-27T16:33:04 < ReadErr> MODER 00 is reset state
2016-11-27T16:33:15 < ReadErr> does it not clear AF?
2016-11-27T16:35:27 < ReadErr> BRR ?
2016-11-27T16:37:40 < Tectu> well
2016-11-27T16:37:44 < Tectu> no idea
2016-11-27T16:37:47 < Tectu> time to blame the hardware guy
2016-11-27T16:48:46 < zyp> I blame Tectu 
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2016-11-27T16:58:11 < stvn> Tectu, welcome
2016-11-27T17:08:01 < Tectu> Kliment, is there any magic to using HAL_GPIO_ReadPin() I should be aware of?
2016-11-27T17:13:01 < Kliment> Tectu: No, it has defines for pin set and pin reset in the return value but beyond that, no
2016-11-27T17:14:39 < dongs> Tectu: lool, i had that problem when I let touchscreen CS pin float
2016-11-27T17:14:47 < dongs> it kept fucking up shit to the LCD controller
2016-11-27T17:16:05 < Tectu> dongs, thanks for the hint - I am driving the CS pin correctly though (scoped it)
2016-11-27T17:29:11 < dongs> zyp, pcbs found
2016-11-27T17:29:27 < zyp> ah, nice
2016-11-27T17:29:42 < dongs> 42 was one fr4, checking whats left..
2016-11-27T17:29:47 < dongs> 42*3 that is
2016-11-27T17:30:30 < dongs> 29*3 is left
2016-11-27T17:30:41 < zyp> hmm
2016-11-27T17:30:48 < dongs> i might have a couple on top of my oven
2016-11-27T17:30:53 < dongs> but thesea re still packed in pcb bag
2016-11-27T17:31:08 < zyp> ah, I figure it should be 30 left
2016-11-27T17:31:33 < zyp> IIRC I had you assemble 4 then 8 panels
2016-11-27T17:31:48 < Tectu> dongs, can you spot anything wrong with this? http://paste.ugfx.io/show/918360880d
2016-11-27T17:32:04 < zyp> but ok, that's nice to know
2016-11-27T17:32:19 < dongs> well uh zyp
2016-11-27T17:32:22 < dongs> 29 is close enough to 30
2016-11-27T17:32:24 < dongs> so yeah
2016-11-27T17:32:44 < dongs> Tectu: what pin is that?
2016-11-27T17:32:45 < zyp> hehe
2016-11-27T17:32:58 < dongs> why do you want no pull, usualyl you wanna have a nice defined state
2016-11-27T17:33:12 < zyp> I haven't heard anything back yet about how many they want, but I'll let you know when I do
2016-11-27T17:33:17 < dongs> ok
2016-11-27T17:33:25 < dongs> Tectu: also, isn't there GPIO_Pin_4 define
2016-11-27T17:33:26 < Tectu> dongs, GPIOC4 - the PENIRQ of Mr. Touchscreen controller is hooked up to that. I scope it and I can see that it properly switches from 3.3V to 0V if I touch Mr. Touchscreen
2016-11-27T17:33:29 < dongs> for GPIO_ReadPIn?
2016-11-27T17:33:40 < dongs> unless hal is dumb
2016-11-27T17:33:45 < dongs> im pretty sure pins are bitfields
2016-11-27T17:33:59 < dongs> so youre not reading pin4 but ...acturally pin 3
2016-11-27T17:34:18 < dongs> or pin2.. (1<<2)
2016-11-27T17:34:20 < dongs>  = 4
2016-11-27T17:34:34 < Tectu> well I was getting desperate,   HAL_GPIO_ReadPin(GPIOC, GPIO_PIN_4)   gives me the same shit
2016-11-27T17:34:52 < dongs> you have __GPIOC_CLK_ENABLE()?
2016-11-27T17:34:53 < Tectu> I see the level changing on my scope but that foo() always returns TRUE .__.
2016-11-27T17:34:55 < Tectu> yes
2016-11-27T17:35:04 < Tectu> __HAL_RCC_GPIOC_CLK_ENABLE();
2016-11-27T17:35:29 < dongs> hal is freakin aids
2016-11-27T17:35:32 < dongs> now if you had keil
2016-11-27T17:35:39 < dongs> you could just look at peripheral registers
2016-11-27T17:35:42 < dongs> and see whats wrong...
2016-11-27T17:35:42 < dongs> :p
2016-11-27T17:35:48 < Tectu> AC6 much
2016-11-27T17:35:52 < Tectu> does it there too, though.
2016-11-27T17:36:14 < Tectu> I would prefer if you'd just tell me how to fix :p
2016-11-27T17:36:26 < dongs> i don't know wahts wrong, thats for sure
2016-11-27T17:36:30 < dongs> you dont need to specify alternate shit.
2016-11-27T17:36:48 < dongs> is tehre a HAL_GPIO_INitStruct()
2016-11-27T17:37:04 < dongs> to make sure other garbage in the struct is not trash
2016-11-27T17:37:10 < dongs> stdperiph had that stuff
2016-11-27T17:37:15 < Tectu> couldn't find that.
2016-11-27T17:37:21 < Tectu> also ST examples doesnt us ethat
2016-11-27T17:37:25 < Tectu> use that*
2016-11-27T17:37:26 < dongs> also
2016-11-27T17:37:38 < dongs> there's GPIO_SPEED_FAST and GPIO_SPEED_HIGH
2016-11-27T17:37:43 < dongs> apparently one for input, one for output
2016-11-27T17:37:47 < dongs> (lol)
2016-11-27T17:37:50 < Tectu> -__-
2016-11-27T17:37:51 < Tectu> no.
2016-11-27T17:37:53 < Tectu> please not.
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2016-11-27T17:38:09 < Tectu> there's also GPIO_SPEED_FREQ_HIGH you know
2016-11-27T17:38:15 < dongs> snort
2016-11-27T17:38:23 < zyp> there's no input speed
2016-11-27T17:38:36 < zyp> gpio speed is drive strength, which only applies for outputs
2016-11-27T17:38:49 < Tectu> dongs, you didn't tell me that there's a semicolon at the end of my if()
2016-11-27T17:38:50 < dongs> heh yeah thats true. i wonder why the fuck they evne bothered creating a thing for it then
2016-11-27T17:38:59 < dongs> oh.
2016-11-27T17:39:06 < dongs> nice copypaste bro
2016-11-27T17:39:06 < dongs> yeah
2016-11-27T17:39:14 < dongs> THAT would have definittely been caught by keil.
2016-11-27T17:39:15 < Tectu> now it works <3
2016-11-27T17:42:24 < Tectu> thanks for bothering, dongs 
2016-11-27T17:42:26 < Tectu> (and rest)
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2016-11-27T17:45:34 < kakimir> would you buy 9eur pid controller?
2016-11-27T17:45:48 < kakimir> with shipping
2016-11-27T17:46:05 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/REX-C100-Digital-LED-PID-Temperature-Controller-Thermostat-Thermometer-R1N2-/301967068327 what I mean
2016-11-27T17:47:09 < kakimir> can it even be good
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2016-11-27T17:48:38 < karlp> kakimir: why not? pid's not entirely complicated.
2016-11-27T17:49:06 < karlp> the risky part is the mains power supply.
2016-11-27T17:52:34 < kakimir> that is what I mean
2016-11-27T17:54:39 < kakimir> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Pop-PID-Digital-Temperature-Controller-Thermocouple-0-to-400-OO55-/152138490232 maybe buy this 
2016-11-27T17:55:12 < kakimir> it has everything I don't need
2016-11-27T17:55:22 < karlp> why the double height module?
2016-11-27T17:55:28 < karlp> spend more money on a good sensor :)
2016-11-27T17:57:23 < kakimir> as if there was bad sensors
2016-11-27T17:58:40 < kakimir> I ordered cooking thermometer that I will salvage sensor from
2016-11-27T17:59:26 < kakimir> I suppose it will have okay metal composition for slightly acidic liquid
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2016-11-27T18:10:13 < kakimir> I suppose cooking thermometer has K type sensor
2016-11-27T18:10:40 < dongs> your dong is slightly acidic
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2016-11-27T18:12:43 < kakimir> your dong is not that slightly
2016-11-27T18:16:25 < ColdKeyboard> Why are examples for HAL so scarce? I'm looking to switch from std_periph to HAL and examples, tutorials and docs are pretty scarce or just doxygen files
2016-11-27T18:16:50 < ColdKeyboard> I'm trying to have PWM output on Channel 1 of TIMER3 and no matter what I do it won't budge -> http://pastebin.com/KJ51zfam
2016-11-27T18:17:09 < ColdKeyboard> I generated code with Cube MX to make my transition a bit easier but no luck
2016-11-27T18:17:55 < dongs>  htim3.Init.Period = 0;
2016-11-27T18:17:56 < dongs> ...
2016-11-27T18:18:11 < dongs> i guess this is your problem
2016-11-27T18:18:36 < dongs> also I dont see you setting up actual output compare
2016-11-27T18:18:47 < dongs> oh they have a function for that
2016-11-27T18:18:47 < dongs> yeah.
2016-11-27T18:18:55 < dongs> anyway, your timer period should be something other than zero
2016-11-27T18:19:30 < zyp> could still do 1-bit pwm
2016-11-27T18:19:42 < dongs> not with OC of 500
2016-11-27T18:21:32 < zyp> well, duh, compare value would also be limited to 1 bit
2016-11-27T18:21:50 < dongs> yes, so thats why his shit is not outputting anything
2016-11-27T18:21:52 < karlp> I wonder what the difference is between tp4056, tc4056 and me4056.  all "same" lion charger ics, different shaped ground pads, different chip markings...
2016-11-27T18:22:16 < dongs> that name sounds vaguely familiary
2016-11-27T18:22:24 < dongs> probably all differnt rando mchinaclones
2016-11-27T18:23:02 < ColdKeyboard> I changed htim3.Init.Period = 512, but still it's like I'm initializing the clock for the timer or somethign like that
2016-11-27T18:23:45 < ColdKeyboard> HAL is confusing me right now and that en.DM00105879.pdf "HAL guide" is not helping
2016-11-27T18:24:05 < dongs> is this on F4?
2016-11-27T18:24:08 < dongs> just fuckit and use stdperiph
2016-11-27T18:24:09 < dongs> lol.
2016-11-27T18:24:15 < dongs> hal is fucking aiads
2016-11-27T18:24:19 < dongs> aids, as you';ve already  found out
2016-11-27T18:25:06 < karlp> dongs: yeah, tp4056 is the "source" aiui.
2016-11-27T18:25:15 < karlp> cool, "this pad is for test purposes only. Always leave this pad unconnected"
2016-11-27T18:25:25 < karlp> never seen that on a datasheet for a part with a pad before.
2016-11-27T18:25:37 < ColdKeyboard> It's on F0 right now. I want to switch to HAL since stdperiph is getting 'legacy' status... so I was thinking of learning HAL but not that easy
2016-11-27T18:26:20 < dongs> karlp: the epad is for 'testing purposes'?
2016-11-27T18:27:34 < zyp> haha
2016-11-27T18:27:48 < karlp> yeah, some alphanomega batter protection ic.
2016-11-27T18:27:53 < dongs> awesome.
2016-11-27T18:27:59 < karlp> 6pin dfn, 2 NC pins, pad is "test, don't connect"
2016-11-27T18:28:14 < dongs> what are you looking for?
2016-11-27T18:28:19 < dongs> i know all teh china lipo protection OCs
2016-11-27T18:28:20 < dongs> ICs
2016-11-27T18:28:22 < dongs> pro+cheap ones
2016-11-27T18:28:31 < karlp> was just browsing AnO for a cheaper schottkey
2016-11-27T18:28:36 < dongs> ah k
2016-11-27T18:28:45 < karlp> (they don't make any)
2016-11-27T18:28:51 < dongs> looks like you assburgered off into some random tangent
2016-11-27T18:29:00 < karlp> I don't really need protection ics, I'm going to say, "protected batteries only plz"
2016-11-27T18:29:01 < dongs> if youre looking at lipo protection shit
2016-11-27T18:30:05 < karlp> current project I stuck one of these modules on: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5pcs-lot-5V-Mini-MICRO-USB-1A-TP4056-Lithium-Battery-Charging-Charger-Module-New-Hot-Worldwide/32651186786.html?spm=2114.01010208.3.1.bxGrBl&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_116_10065_117_10068_114_115_113_10000007_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10060_10061_10062_10056_10055_10054_10059_10099_10078_10079_10073_10097_10100_10096_10070_10052_10050_424_10051,searchwe
2016-11-27T18:30:31 < karlp> super cheap, knwon to work, but it doesn't fit as well as I'd like physically, was looking at implementing it myself in a different shape
2016-11-27T18:30:54 < karlp> but it's almost cheaper for me to buy those modules and hot air them all off, to getthe charger IC plus the usb micro connector for cheaper than I can buy them myself
2016-11-27T18:31:07 < dongs> lolz
2016-11-27T18:31:09 < dongs> holy shit
2016-11-27T18:31:11 < dongs> $1.10 fo r5 pcs
2016-11-27T18:31:16 < karlp> yeah :)
2016-11-27T18:31:22 < karlp> hard to compete with that sort of pricing
2016-11-27T18:31:28 < dongs> and free shipping
2016-11-27T18:31:31 < dongs> at least to japan
2016-11-27T18:31:34 < dongs> how teh fuck do tehy even make any money on this
2016-11-27T18:31:35 < karlp> to iceland as well
2016-11-27T18:31:44 < dongs> SUNYOU ECONOMIC MAIL
2016-11-27T18:32:02 < karlp> I got five on my desk, i think I paied $1.29 
2016-11-27T18:32:04 < karlp> ripped off!
2016-11-27T18:32:47 < karlp> problem is the blossom 18650 batter case + one of those modules exceeds 100mm, which is one threshold on cheap pcbs :)
2016-11-27T18:45:16 < kakimir> if I have list within the list
2016-11-27T18:45:49 < kakimir> if I only address the outer list with listlist[crap] do I get a pointer?
2016-11-27T18:46:31 < Thorn> http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/news/greenwaves-risc-v-core-to-supersede-cortex-cores-in-the-iot/
2016-11-27T18:46:40 < kakimir> instead of listlist[crap][shiet] 
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2016-11-27T18:52:50 < dongs> Great
2016-11-27T18:52:56 < dongs> now we'll ahve 8core processors
2016-11-27T18:53:02 < dongs> that will DDoS you 8x faster
2016-11-27T18:53:14 < dongs> when they get 0wn3d
2016-11-27T18:57:24 < kakimir> have propably unfixable hardbug
2016-11-27T18:57:48 < kakimir> on ethernet peripheral that gives exploiter free dma access
2016-11-27T19:00:55 < kakimir> where is console output in visual studio?
2016-11-27T19:01:09 < kakimir> and does windows support printf?
2016-11-27T19:01:29 < kakimir> puts.. and whatever
2016-11-27T19:01:38 < kakimir> do I need to configure those somehow?
2016-11-27T19:02:01 < kakimir> my program exits gracefully but there is no visible outputs
2016-11-27T19:02:07 < dongs> wot
2016-11-27T19:02:22 < dongs> if youre using visual fucking studio why the fuck would you printf debug
2016-11-27T19:02:54 < kakimir> no reason
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2016-11-27T19:09:32 < Thorn> OutputDebugString()
2016-11-27T19:10:05 < kakimir> where does my printf goe?
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2016-11-27T19:10:31 < Thorn> watch the first few handmade hero videos
2016-11-27T19:10:41 < Thorn> free intro to visual studio and windows programming
2016-11-27T19:11:46 < XTL> ew
2016-11-27T19:15:31 < kakimir> no
2016-11-27T19:15:40 < kakimir> I rather keep going
2016-11-27T19:16:00 < Thorn> ok minefield is that way -->
2016-11-27T19:16:12 < kakimir> debugger works
2016-11-27T19:16:20 < kakimir> I don't need crap now
2016-11-27T19:33:55 < Steffanx> lol, stop being so stubborn kakimir
2016-11-27T19:39:46 < kakimir> I wound where it goes
2016-11-27T19:40:19 < kakimir> to crappy terminal window behind the IDE
2016-11-27T19:40:29 < kakimir> no problem
2016-11-27T19:44:57 < kakimir> now it wasn't killed properly as I Xed it and wont let me compile
2016-11-27T19:45:32 < kakimir> restart
2016-11-27T19:46:18 < Thorn> press red STOP in studio
2016-11-27T19:46:32 < kakimir> I pressed
2016-11-27T19:46:56 < kakimir> restart worked
2016-11-27T19:49:47 < kakimir> dongs: crappyest terminal is more readable than debugger when you are working on string parsing and generation
2016-11-27T19:51:53 < kakimir> I wonder why null doesn't end string in case of printf
2016-11-27T19:54:39 < kakimir> of it's some weird piece of code I used from internets
2016-11-27T20:06:32 < karlp> heh Thorn a friend at mentor was sending me some greenwaves shit the other day, saying it was all cool and new
2016-11-27T20:07:06 < Thorn> is there any silicon yet
2016-11-27T20:07:21 < karlp> no idea, still an open tab to get to ;)
2016-11-27T20:08:07 < aandrew> 8 core iot processor will bring multicore/multithread issues to the arduino crowd
2016-11-27T20:08:52 < karlp> they have hteir own wireless stuff too
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2016-11-27T20:11:37 < Thorn> has the arduino crowd embraced interrupts yet?
2016-11-27T20:30:05 < karlp> what's the cheap china schottky? ss14 and clones?
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2016-11-27T20:34:31 < kakimir> is there way to jump in code with one key?
2016-11-27T20:34:36 < kakimir> is visual studio
2016-11-27T20:34:52 < kakimir> edit main and then jump to function to edit
2016-11-27T20:37:33 < karlp> check out this wicket voltage regulator: http://www.diodes.com/_files/datasheets/ds30578.pdf
2016-11-27T20:43:35 < kakimir> tite
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2016-11-27T20:52:39 < englishman> http://i.imgur.com/H498PBE.jpg
2016-11-27T20:53:05 < Tectu> holy shit
2016-11-27T20:53:13 < Tectu> and that in torvalds/linux
2016-11-27T20:53:18 < Tectu> somebody should run.
2016-11-27T20:54:17 < Rob235> :)
2016-11-27T20:54:41 < Tectu> http://images.wasted.earth:1339/view.php?p=14801806374226
2016-11-27T20:55:05 < PaulFertser> github users are like that
2016-11-27T20:55:34 < Tectu> also: http://images.wasted.earth:1339/view.php?p=14779557637187
2016-11-27T20:55:38 < Rob235> wow thats efficient!
2016-11-27T20:56:04 < aandrew> Tectu: haha at that first one
2016-11-27T20:56:22 < englishman> kakimir: yes this pid controller works great. Works with thermocouple
2016-11-27T20:56:24 < Tectu> Disclaimer: NOT ugfx code.
2016-11-27T20:56:37 < Tectu> aandrew :)
2016-11-27T21:00:18 < englishman> Tectu: no arbitrary rotation angle? It has to be 90? Lame
2016-11-27T21:01:03 < Tectu> englishman, as I said, not ugfx code
2016-11-27T21:01:10 < Tectu> englishman, ugfx does arbitrary rotation angles: http://api.ugfx.io/group___g_m_i_s_c.html
2016-11-27T21:18:01 < englishman> pro
2016-11-27T21:24:40 < Kliment> Ok what the actual fuck
2016-11-27T21:25:07 < Kliment> My BLE data rate more than triples if the LEDs are off
2016-11-27T21:25:31 < Kliment> I have no idea what's happening here
2016-11-27T21:25:41 < karlp> englishman: why not the real one? https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/335
2016-11-27T21:26:08 < englishman> copypasye
2016-11-27T21:27:20 < karlp> I actualyl think the change is correct.
2016-11-27T21:27:24 < englishman> also, github is working, lkml hasnt loaded in 60s
2016-11-27T21:27:38 < karlp> I think most people simply did't look at the diff
2016-11-27T21:29:00 < karlp> it should probably just say arbitrary division
2016-11-27T21:29:44 < englishman> hm
2016-11-27T21:29:46 < englishman> you think so
2016-11-27T21:31:24 < karlp> no mention of any types of any sort anywhere else int eh document, no mention of 32 vs 64 bit archs
2016-11-27T21:32:28 < englishman> probably should remove both longs
2016-11-27T21:32:31 < karlp> yeah
2016-11-27T21:32:34 < karlp> that's what I reckon.
2016-11-27T21:32:36 < englishman> and just say no to arbitrary division
2016-11-27T21:32:43 < karlp> it's been there since the original addition in 2005
2016-11-27T21:32:57 < englishman> long long is also c99
2016-11-27T21:33:42 < englishman> well after c64
2016-11-27T21:37:16 < englishman> commented
2016-11-27T21:46:55 < karlp> huh, forward voltage drop is _lower_ on schottky at higher temps
2016-11-27T21:47:01 < karlp> wasn't expecting that
2016-11-27T21:49:08 < kakimir> I need new headphones
2016-11-27T21:49:36 < kakimir> both over the ear type and those ear nipples
2016-11-27T21:50:31 < Tectu> I can recommend the apple earpods for nipples
2016-11-27T21:50:35 < Tectu> great nipples, really.
2016-11-27T21:50:40 < Tectu> also, stop calling them nipples
2016-11-27T21:52:01 < Steffanx> I got some xiaomi ones. For that price they surprisingly good
2016-11-27T21:52:43 < kakimir> Steffanx: ?
2016-11-27T21:52:46 < Steffanx> But i bought some real speakers, got tired of headphones on my head all the time.
2016-11-27T21:53:01 < Steffanx> Or nipples in my ear.
2016-11-27T21:53:06 < kakimir> Steffanx: that is why you use really big ones
2016-11-27T21:53:24 < kakimir> you can barely tell if you wear them
2016-11-27T21:53:36 < Steffanx> Except for warm ears 
2016-11-27T21:53:53 < kakimir> not on the ears - but over the ears
2016-11-27T21:53:57 < Steffanx> That is the thing that started to annoy me the most.
2016-11-27T21:54:09 < kakimir> sweat ears?
2016-11-27T21:54:15 < Steffanx> Just warm.
2016-11-27T21:54:37 < kakimir> I have speakers but not really place to blast them
2016-11-27T21:58:04 < englishman> there exists this amazing innovation called the toque
2016-11-27T21:58:23 < Tectu> torquing group?
2016-11-27T21:58:54 < kakimir> I need canada pics englishman 
2016-11-27T21:59:07 < kakimir> my fresh daily dose
2016-11-27T21:59:14 < englishman> i only have canadian cat pix
2016-11-27T21:59:59 < kakimir> it's fine
2016-11-27T22:00:03 < englishman> and this http://i.imgur.com/FqBWRjQ.jpg
2016-11-27T22:01:07 < Steffanx> I have dutch stroop waffles pix
2016-11-27T22:03:53 < kakimir> how many moose you had this year englishman ?
2016-11-27T22:04:09 < englishman> just 2 sausages
2016-11-27T22:04:19 < englishman> didnt murder anything this fall
2016-11-27T22:04:25 < englishman> not even the damn squirrel
2016-11-27T22:04:41 < kakimir> why
2016-11-27T22:05:10 < Steffanx> So what did you eat for thanksgiving?
2016-11-27T22:05:47 < ReadErr> all non americans
2016-11-27T22:05:54 < ReadErr> silly
2016-11-27T22:06:10 < Steffanx> You have trump..
2016-11-27T22:06:31 < englishman> thanksgiving was like 7 weeks ago
2016-11-27T22:06:34 < englishman> and i think we had sushi
2016-11-27T22:06:41 < BrainDamage> i fucking hate regular expressions
2016-11-27T22:06:56 < Steffanx> Lol why.
2016-11-27T22:07:34 < Steffanx> Oh you picked another date for that englishman?
2016-11-27T22:07:35 < BrainDamage> because i wrote the correct regex and now turns out the lib i'm using is only performing non overlapping matches
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2016-11-27T22:08:44 < Steffanx> Hello
2016-11-27T22:09:03 < upgrdman> hello
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2016-11-27T22:09:18 < englishman> Steffanx: more like, its on a day when turkies might still be alive
2016-11-27T22:09:39 < Steffanx> What obscure langauge/lib do you use braindamage?
2016-11-27T22:17:32 < ohsix> sunday sunday sunday
2016-11-27T22:18:29 < karlp> Steffanx: branefuck obviously :)
2016-11-27T22:19:07 < ohsix> is that the multiverse theory where the branes are sexing
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2016-11-27T22:42:21 < Laurenceb_> sweeet
2016-11-27T22:42:29 < Laurenceb_> FSA getting annihilated
2016-11-27T22:43:28 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/teenyleeni/status/802518078215090176
2016-11-27T22:43:58 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: wut
2016-11-27T22:44:10 < Laurenceb_> http://syria.liveuamap.com/
2016-11-27T22:53:27 < Laurenceb_> https://gfycat.com/SpicyElementaryKingbird
2016-11-27T22:56:34 < Steffanx> So are those guys the bad guys or the good guys Laurenceb_.. i no longer know how fights who
2016-11-27T22:57:05 < Laurenceb_> SAA/PKK are the good guys as far as I'm concerned
2016-11-27T22:57:45 < Steffanx> Better ask Erdogan for his opinion then
2016-11-27T22:57:59 < ohsix> these wars need a sports fan dynamic
2016-11-27T22:58:43  * Laurenceb_ pictures mobile stands with bullet proof glass fronts
2016-11-27T22:58:59 < ohsix> good thing it's easier to figure out how one outcome benefits you, than who is right
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2016-11-27T23:09:15 < Steffanx> Better not get some russian bombs on your head laurenceb_
2016-11-27T23:12:13 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKbDdNcHViYWx6U3M/view?usp=sharing there it is fixedpoint2string
2016-11-27T23:13:06 < kakimir> it has sign enable and +sign enable, digit count limit, point that can be placed anywhere
2016-11-27T23:14:02 < kakimir> also automatic digit count that finds the first non zero digit
2016-11-27T23:14:54 < kakimir> I need to maybe implement this with standard library too and then compare the crunch
2016-11-27T23:15:31 < kakimir> I think this will perform on arm like 10times faster
2016-11-27T23:16:58 < ReadErr> http://www.ebay.com/itm/LG-43-Class-42-5-Diag-LED-2160p-Smart-4K-Ultra-HD-TV-Gray-Black-/201730321975
2016-11-27T23:17:01 < ReadErr> worth it?
2016-11-27T23:17:12 < ReadErr> 4k/120hz/IPS/43" for 299
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2016-11-27T23:22:50 < ohsix> is it DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP color
2016-11-27T23:23:02 < ohsix> that's pretty cheap but i still dunno if i'd rather have that than 300 bux
2016-11-27T23:23:56 < ohsix> they call it 'trumotion 120' so it might not actually be at-the-connector 120hz
2016-11-27T23:25:40 < ReadErr> IPS is kewl tho
2016-11-27T23:25:46 < ReadErr> stuffs getting so cheap
2016-11-27T23:29:06 < ohsix> i have some idea bout a lame ending for search party but i'm gonna see the rest tonight
2016-11-27T23:29:32 < ohsix> like an augmented reality / family hired some company to set up an adventure is a lame ending i've seen before with this kind of stuff
2016-11-27T23:29:39 < ReadErr> hey so the assange thing
2016-11-27T23:29:42 < ReadErr> was audio only
2016-11-27T23:29:43 < ReadErr> looool
2016-11-27T23:29:49 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-27T23:29:58 < ReadErr> 20 mins on soundcloud apparently
2016-11-27T23:30:00 < ReadErr> he dead
2016-11-27T23:30:01 < ohsix> yea, well, like i said; if you believe wikileaks, he's still alive
2016-11-27T23:30:16 < ReadErr> or somethin
2016-11-27T23:30:28 < ohsix> i refrain from believing either way until there is some evidence that supports it
2016-11-27T23:30:46 < ohsix> refrain from boners
2016-11-27T23:30:52 < ohsix> until one is in my eye
2016-11-27T23:31:09 < ReadErr> inquiring with efnet SpergeSquad to see what the *chans are saying
2016-11-27T23:31:27 < ohsix> we have a rep here
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2016-11-27T23:31:36 < ohsix> Laurenceb_
2016-11-27T23:31:40 < ReadErr> ah yes
2016-11-27T23:31:42 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_: 
2016-11-27T23:31:57 < ReadErr> fuckit tv ordered
2016-11-27T23:32:17 < ohsix> i can't wait to see what other things you buy to actually put it to some use
2016-11-27T23:32:19 < Laurenceb_> wut
2016-11-27T23:32:44 < ReadErr> ohsix: eh dont care about consoles
2016-11-27T23:32:48 < ReadErr> got a steam link shit
2016-11-27T23:32:53 < ReadErr> wouuld use that if anything
2016-11-27T23:33:03 < ohsix> ReadErr: i'm kind of waiting to see why, say, episode 7 was relevant, with the relationship drama
2016-11-27T23:33:15 < ohsix> it doesn't even count as character development yet
2016-11-27T23:33:27 < ReadErr> its a real let down
2016-11-27T23:33:27 < ohsix> ReadErr: i meant high bpp ultra hd boner bluray garbage
2016-11-27T23:33:54 < ohsix> you were excited in the first place? i'm getting different things from it, the mystery isn't really interesting
2016-11-27T23:33:57 < ohsix> the coincidences are
2016-11-27T23:34:12 < ReadErr> just wait
2016-11-27T23:34:16 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_: whats the chan news
2016-11-27T23:34:18 < ReadErr> on ass-henge
2016-11-27T23:34:27 < Laurenceb_> dunno lol
2016-11-27T23:34:35 < ReadErr> god damnit tighten up
2016-11-27T23:34:39 < ReadErr> quit sending 'coons to space
2016-11-27T23:34:40 < Laurenceb_> heh
2016-11-27T23:35:28 < ohsix> we rely on you slightly giving a shit about this stuff
2016-11-27T23:35:44 < ohsix> cuz it is way more than we do!!!!!111
2016-11-27T23:38:20 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_: https://youtu.be/OUjuR5lPnxU?t=5s
2016-11-27T23:40:22 < Laurenceb_> https://xhamster.com/blog/posts/598800
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2016-11-27T23:43:19 < ReadErr> gimme da juice Laurenceb_ 
2016-11-27T23:43:22 < ReadErr> quit jerkin it
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2016-11-28T00:05:25 < ohsix> dongs: https://twitter.com/lowtax/status/802994240536002561
2016-11-28T00:06:01 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_ visits xhamster for the articles huh?
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2016-11-28T00:06:31 < ohsix> upgrdman: someone twatted about blender developers getting paid
2016-11-28T00:06:37 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: of course, and I read playboy too
2016-11-28T00:06:37 < ohsix> any idea?
2016-11-28T00:07:07 < upgrdman> ohsix, i've been out of it for a LONG time. but i wouldnt be surprised if some of them were sponsored by studios, etc.
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2016-11-28T00:07:27 < upgrdman> kinda like how linux has a lot of vendors chipping in code
2016-11-28T00:07:34 < ohsix> ah i see
2016-11-28T00:07:39 < ohsix> yea hang on, found story
2016-11-28T00:08:03 < ohsix> For the next year at least, Blender is going to have 10 additional full-time paid developers. Some of those developers will be paid by the Blender Foundation or Blender Institute, sponsored with contributions from AMD, Aleph Objects, and the Nimble Collective.
2016-11-28T00:08:17 < ohsix> that's kind of awesome, i'd give money to that if i knew about it
2016-11-28T00:08:26 < ohsix> they can fix big stuff nobody tries to get to
2016-11-28T00:08:38 < __rob> stmcube really is poor value. gone from 8kb code to 4kb just replacing all of the gpio/i2c init and read/write functions
2016-11-28T00:08:58 < ohsix> now do it for 10 other parts
2016-11-28T00:09:07 < upgrdman> ohsix, i was reading that blender is still coded in old-school opengl (fixed function poopline)
2016-11-28T00:09:09 < __rob> shocked they can release a package for a chip with 8kb rom when just their stuff takes so much space
2016-11-28T00:09:16 < upgrdman> and there a big effort to modernize that
2016-11-28T00:09:36 < ohsix> upgrdman: yea nice, solvespace is trying to support es2 and shit, too
2016-11-28T00:09:52 < ohsix> you get to run stuff on pretty naked hw with opengl es, lots of android things
2016-11-28T00:10:01 < upgrdman> ya
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2016-11-28T00:18:22 < englishman> Laurenceb_: what's SAA/PKK
2016-11-28T00:18:29 < englishman> Syrian atheist army?
2016-11-28T00:19:43 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-11-28T00:20:08 < Laurenceb_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Army
2016-11-28T00:20:56 < englishman> so Assad?
2016-11-28T00:21:00 < englishman> He's the good guy?
2016-11-28T00:21:02 < Laurenceb_> yup
2016-11-28T00:21:05 < englishman> Or, just the nicest?
2016-11-28T00:21:06 < englishman> Lol
2016-11-28T00:21:21 < englishman> That kind of puts in perspective how fucked they are
2016-11-28T00:21:26 < englishman> When Assad is the good guy
2016-11-28T00:22:13 < ohsix> upgrdman: odesn't look like it literally uses fixed function
2016-11-28T00:22:19 < ohsix> but would be a lot more work to see what it does
2016-11-28T00:23:18 < ohsix> https://git.blender.org/gitweb/gitweb.cgi/blender.git/blob/HEAD:/source/blender/gpu/intern/gpu_framebuffer.c#l404 huhu
2016-11-28T00:25:42 < ohsix> https://git.blender.org/gitweb/gitweb.cgi/blender.git/blob/HEAD:/source/blender/gpu/intern/gpu_basic_shader.c#l31
2016-11-28T00:25:47 < ohsix> guess it wasn't that much work
2016-11-28T00:26:09 < ohsix> they seem to have conditional paths for buffer attachment, they might support really old gl junk
2016-11-28T00:29:20 < upgrdman> ohsix, thats ff. glbegin/glend is ff
2016-11-28T00:29:42 < ohsix> ehh
2016-11-28T00:30:07 < ohsix> right
2016-11-28T00:30:18 < upgrdman> looks like theyre mixing in newer stuff too, but theres lot of ff stuff
2016-11-28T00:31:05 < ohsix> but not exactly
2016-11-28T00:31:30 < ohsix> you can still issue vertices and stuff with the immediate mode entry shit can't you?
2016-11-28T00:31:41 < ohsix> what 3.x version did it stop doing matrix stacks for you
2016-11-28T00:32:21 < upgrdman> immediate mode is old school, the "core profile" used by new gl removed all of it
2016-11-28T00:32:31 < upgrdman> that said, all my code is old school :) too lazy
2016-11-28T00:33:01 < upgrdman> the new hotness is to store all meshes on the gpu, so immediate mode is deprecated and frowned upon
2016-11-28T00:33:14 < ohsix> in gpu memory but yea
2016-11-28T00:33:26 < ohsix> there's pci memory and usage junk for all the bufferz
2016-11-28T00:34:23 < ohsix> so 3.0 was last version that supported fixed function
2016-11-28T00:34:42 < ohsix> they want to use stuff in newer versions they can't get as an extension? or is it just a lot of code that could be removed
2016-11-28T00:35:39 < upgrdman> well if they redo it, it could be more efficient and also work on tablets/phones
2016-11-28T00:35:48 < upgrdman> although not sure why youd want blender on a portable
2016-11-28T00:36:22 < ohsix> https://www.opengl.org/wiki/Fixed_Function_Pipeline section at the bottom has some good points
2016-11-28T00:37:20 < upgrdman> ya
2016-11-28T00:37:24 < ReadErr> Laurenceb_: research.
2016-11-28T00:37:32 < ReadErr> whats it yielded
2016-11-28T00:43:39 < Laurenceb_> on ass henge?
2016-11-28T00:43:49 < ReadErr> yes
2016-11-28T00:43:50 < Laurenceb_> too busy reading about emdrive
2016-11-28T00:44:37 < Laurenceb_> 10k forum pages and they still havent built anything
2016-11-28T00:45:05 < Laurenceb_> I discovered that "Rei" from slashdot is the emdrive guy
2016-11-28T00:48:20 < ohsix> ReadErr: lul linas phillips
2016-11-28T00:52:44 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereIsAssange/comments/5f7s3t/anyone_good_at_accents_this_article_claims_the/?st=iw18qtm9&sh=33144602
2016-11-28T00:52:58 < Laurenceb_> roboassange
2016-11-28T00:53:07 < Laurenceb_> assange is a cyborg
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2016-11-28T01:06:49 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/kzOanl.png
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2016-11-28T01:07:50 < ReadErr> gary tardson
2016-11-28T01:08:49 < ohsix> http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37904703
2016-11-28T01:10:04 < ReadErr> theres no chats about that
2016-11-28T01:10:11 < ReadErr> currently
2016-11-28T01:10:20 < ReadErr> idle blogs are the work of 4chanpost
2016-11-28T01:10:21 < ohsix> your point is shit
2016-11-28T01:10:27 < ohsix> if you don't talk about stm32
2016-11-28T01:10:46 < ohsix> lets talk about the new toblerone shape now
2016-11-28T01:10:58 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-11-28T01:11:02 < ohsix> the part i find funny is that i've never even seen in the box
2016-11-28T01:11:02 < Laurenceb_> 2 boring even 4 me
2016-11-28T01:11:09 < ohsix> i didn't even know they were little pointy bits
2016-11-28T01:11:19 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: now all you do is play worlds tiniest violin
2016-11-28T01:11:21 < ohsix> BANG
2016-11-28T01:11:50 < ohsix> it's a bit vindictive to just shit on what is going on and not do anything else about it
2016-11-28T01:12:18 < ohsix> i would have to be, because i'm not
2016-11-28T01:12:33 < ohsix> if i were both those things i'd be a real saddo
2016-11-28T01:13:32 < ohsix> no you didn't
2016-11-28T01:13:51 < ohsix> you added to the noise you supposedly care a lot about
2016-11-28T01:14:24 < ohsix> talk about stm32 or stfu <- this is what your own advice is, i suggest you lead a good example
2016-11-28T01:15:47 < ohsix> so, you might say that you don't even care any more to pretend that you are insterested in microcontrolers/stm32s, etc/? :p
2016-11-28T01:16:17 < ohsix> your brain is broke, smash it and try again
2016-11-28T01:17:13 < ohsix> is that about stm32
2016-11-28T01:17:19 < ohsix> or are you an outrageous shitbird
2016-11-28T01:17:49 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/YJQ7Qh5.jpg?fb
2016-11-28T01:18:38 < ohsix> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZqBOw6WL_yQ/hqdefault.jpg
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2016-11-28T01:18:55 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: i can stop this nonsense as much as you can talk about the stm32, go, do it
2016-11-28T01:19:23 < ohsix> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ozoCmC29jhI/maxresdefault.jpg
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2016-11-28T01:19:44 < ohsix> http://67.media.tumblr.com/de49b6204fe9d27345715c9328b70c02/tumblr_ntckap74Pj1t3t4t8o1_540.png
2016-11-28T01:19:58 < ohsix> that's me
2016-11-28T01:20:04 < ohsix> sad
2016-11-28T01:20:14 < ohsix> now why don't you fuck off telling people what to do until you do it yourself
2016-11-28T01:20:48 < ohsix> did anyone else watch Search Party? Laurenceb_ ?
2016-11-28T01:20:53 < ohsix> was talking about it with ReadErr 
2016-11-28T01:22:15 < ohsix> yea that's me and definitely not you projecting at all, still not talking about stm32
2016-11-28T01:22:31 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: 13:38 < Steffanx> Laurenceb_: https://youtu.be/OUjuR5lPnxU?t=5s
2016-11-28T01:23:16 < ohsix> upgrdman: is there a wiki page or something on what they want to do with gl/es? (blender)
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2016-11-28T01:24:57 < ohsix> do you think that julian assange is dead LeelooMinai?
2016-11-28T01:25:42 < ohsix> oh haha, i get it, when you project this hard you get to take credit for me being able to actually talk to people
2016-11-28T01:25:44 < ohsix> i see
2016-11-28T01:26:19 < ohsix> https://t.co/ypeBEJWOWv
2016-11-28T01:27:36 < ohsix> would you even be aware that you were trolling, if you were?
2016-11-28T01:27:58 < ohsix> you know how someone with some kind of palsy is fragile and has to wear a helmet, people around them are generally aware at their fragility
2016-11-28T01:28:08 < ohsix> if they fall down everyone reacts
2016-11-28T01:28:23 < ohsix> does that make a person witha  pasly and obvious physical / mental defecits a troll?
2016-11-28T01:28:59 < ohsix> or, in reality, does it mean that people are more astute than you give them credit, and they're just being empathetic about the state of that poor person, afflicted
2016-11-28T01:29:16 < ohsix> no you don't
2016-11-28T01:29:29 < ohsix> because you keep fucking talking, and you're still here, at best you're a liar
2016-11-28T01:29:56 < upgrdman> ohsix, https://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:2.8/Source/OpenGL/ImmediateModeReplacement
2016-11-28T01:30:05 < upgrdman> from  https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/5crop6/call_for_volunteers_to_port_to_modern_opengl_in/
2016-11-28T01:30:21 < ohsix> upgrdman: brilliant
2016-11-28T01:30:34 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: i'm glad you're here to sort out who and when is making sense
2016-11-28T01:30:44 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: i thought you said you were busy
2016-11-28T01:31:10 < ohsix> upgrdman: one thing chrome/chromium/some other projects have done, is use something like ANGLE
2016-11-28T01:31:29 < ohsix> then they 'target' basically an opengl es interface even if it ends up being translated to different versions of gl or dx
2016-11-28T01:31:39 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: you suck at that too, get good
2016-11-28T01:31:45 < upgrdman> angle some higher level 3d api?
2016-11-28T01:32:05 < ohsix> upgrdman: sec, i think it does what i just described but i can actually look lul
2016-11-28T01:32:09 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, you know, there's /ignore 
2016-11-28T01:32:18 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-28T01:32:19 < ohsix> https://github.com/google/angle
2016-11-28T01:32:36 < ohsix> if you target ES you can ~target webgl too, forgot about that
2016-11-28T01:33:08 < ohsix> upgrdman: but i don't know anything about blender or if it is a useful thing to suggest they use it
2016-11-28T01:33:35 < ohsix> looks like someone was working on it in gsoc2013
2016-11-28T01:34:05 < upgrdman> ya i havnt looked at the blender code
2016-11-28T01:34:28 < ohsix> they mention gawain and keeping an immediate-mode like interface for drawing
2016-11-28T01:34:30 < upgrdman> im kinda tempted to relearn blender so i can model some robot shit with it, and laser cut a centipede
2016-11-28T01:34:45 < ohsix> du it
2016-11-28T01:34:48 < ohsix> i'd watch those videos
2016-11-28T01:34:59 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, y
2016-11-28T01:35:01 < ohsix> i follow some nerds on twitter that use blender a lot
2016-11-28T01:35:21 < ohsix> lol worrying about creating some hypothetical confusion
2016-11-28T01:35:41 < ohsix> upgrdman: i already thought GLEW created a wrapper for old immediate mode code
2016-11-28T01:36:02 < ohsix> or if not glew, a library like it
2016-11-28T01:36:12 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya, i really want to. current video plans are: tuning pid with my telemetryviewer program, making a crude delta-sigma adc with an fpga, then modeling a centipede, then laser dicking or 3d dicking the parts, then building a centipede robot
2016-11-28T01:37:01 < ohsix> upgrdman: a robot worm thing was one of the ideas i had for those little 9g servos
2016-11-28T01:37:09 < ohsix> have access to 3d printer and making the shell would be ~easy
2016-11-28T01:37:12 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, ya but i want to do this from an artistic PoV. i have solidworks, but wanna have more fun and skip the engineering part
2016-11-28T01:37:54 < ohsix> :D
2016-11-28T01:37:56 < ohsix> just :D
2016-11-28T01:38:04 < ohsix> hey upgrdman do you know what gcode is i can't wait to tell you
2016-11-28T01:38:15 < upgrdman> ohsix, yes i know
2016-11-28T01:38:24 < ohsix> aww i was so excite
2016-11-28T01:38:26 < upgrdman> and no, laser dickers and 3d dickers does need g code
2016-11-28T01:38:32 < upgrdman> doent need*
2016-11-28T01:38:36 < upgrdman> dont need*
2016-11-28T01:38:44 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-28T01:38:52 < ohsix> laser cutters are mostly ran with printer drivers, who knew
2016-11-28T01:38:52 < Laurenceb_> heh what Leeloo said
2016-11-28T01:39:01 < ohsix> certainly not me a few weeks ago
2016-11-28T01:39:04 < Laurenceb_> I tried to learn blender once, I was like "wtf"
2016-11-28T01:39:09 < Laurenceb_> use FreeCAD now
2016-11-28T01:39:18 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, i started with blender. got decent it... back in 2004.
2016-11-28T01:39:19 < ohsix> you tried to use blender for physical modelling?
2016-11-28T01:39:31 < ohsix> does it have dimensioning or parametric modelling at all?
2016-11-28T01:39:43 < upgrdman> blender is a tool where the learning curve is SO FUCKING STEEP ... but at the top of the curve YOU ARE A FUCKING GOD
2016-11-28T01:39:48 < ohsix> how does it handle assemblies
2016-11-28T01:40:07 < upgrdman> ohsix, last i checked it has half-assed CAD-ish support
2016-11-28T01:40:12 < ohsix> i wanna make fart
2016-11-28T01:40:31 < upgrdman> but mostly i just want to model it visually, and script some motion to get a feel for the algorithms involved
2016-11-28T01:40:35 < ohsix> upgrdman: yea i remember looking a few years ago, stuff was dead/old
2016-11-28T01:40:48 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, a toy centipede robot.
2016-11-28T01:41:08 < Laurenceb_> free as in freedom?
2016-11-28T01:41:08 < ohsix> 'free'
2016-11-28T01:41:14 < ohsix> free as in da' cloud
2016-11-28T01:41:26 < Laurenceb_> FreeCAD is free as in freedom
2016-11-28T01:41:38 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai, crude model in blender, laser dicker, servos + stm32 or machxo2
2016-11-28T01:41:47 < ohsix> it does have parametric modelling and a bunch of crap, some plm, but it is really annoying
2016-11-28T01:41:57 < ohsix> i'd probably learn blender out of spite
2016-11-28T01:42:10 < Laurenceb_> good luck with that
2016-11-28T01:42:13 < ohsix> (and i am using solvespace, OLOL)
2016-11-28T01:42:48 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: http://solvespace.com/tutorial.pl
2016-11-28T01:43:14 < ohsix> worth a spin even fi you don't eventually use it
2016-11-28T01:43:18 < ohsix> solver is first class
2016-11-28T01:43:23 < upgrdman> i did this in blender in 2004  http://www.rcheliguy.com/images/Lotus.png
2016-11-28T01:43:40 < ohsix> what happened to the rear?
2016-11-28T01:43:49 < upgrdman> interior proportions are fucked, but otherwise im proud of it
2016-11-28T01:43:53 < ohsix> the rest looks like a lotus
2016-11-28T01:44:02 < Laurenceb_> solvespace looks like a lame freecad clone
2016-11-28T01:44:09 < ohsix> top right iamge looks like a different model
2016-11-28T01:44:18 < Laurenceb_> but freecad has nice backend that you can abuse
2016-11-28T01:44:18 < upgrdman> ohsix, its a lotus elise s2
2016-11-28T01:44:22 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: it's a constraint solver
2016-11-28T01:44:37 < Laurenceb_> yeah, freecad has one of those
2016-11-28T01:44:40 < ohsix> i know
2016-11-28T01:44:55 < Laurenceb_> so who cares about solvespace :P
2016-11-28T01:44:57 < ohsix> this is one executable you don't even have to install
2016-11-28T01:45:09 < ohsix> you download it and do your shit
2016-11-28T01:45:25 < Laurenceb_> kind of like freecad
2016-11-28T01:45:29 < ohsix> newayz going to use freecad when i need to
2016-11-28T01:45:31 < ohsix> nah
2016-11-28T01:45:49 < ohsix> but you're making me have a discussion i didn't care to have, if you don't want to check it out then forget it
2016-11-28T01:46:08 < ohsix> need feedback from people that use cad programs, and from people who've never used any type of 3d modeller
2016-11-28T01:46:26 < ohsix> LeelooMinai fully taking advantage of our fact-free post modern society
2016-11-28T01:46:39 < ohsix> an innovator
2016-11-28T01:46:56 < ohsix> i'm sure it feels bad
2016-11-28T01:47:00 < ohsix> you should console it
2016-11-28T01:47:12 < ohsix> you know who makes a really nice car? koeniggsegg
2016-11-28T01:47:23 < ohsix> if you don't have 300k for a really nice car you're a retard
2016-11-28T01:47:53 < ohsix> see i'm making a fallacious argument at the relative value of things, from the perspective of a personal value judgement of those things
2016-11-28T01:48:06 < ohsix> you know what has a horrible interface, a hammer; those air tools are so much nicer
2016-11-28T01:48:16 < ohsix> like i hit my fucking thumb every time, i'm a huge idiot
2016-11-28T01:48:28 < ohsix> it has nothing to do with hammers or anything i'm just a massive fucking idiot
2016-11-28T01:48:38 < ohsix> so if i say hammers are bad don't believe me, i'm an idiot
2016-11-28T01:49:33 < ohsix> can you fuck off and start talking about the stm32, i'm beginning to think you're only here to start shit and be dumb
2016-11-28T01:49:43 < ohsix> and you just called yourself something other than sane
2016-11-28T01:49:54 < ohsix> though you did say 'either', you clever girl
2016-11-28T01:50:20 < ohsix> you're still not talking about the stm32
2016-11-28T01:50:31 < ohsix> have i made sufficient point that your concerns are shit if you won't even represent them in your actions
2016-11-28T01:51:12 < ohsix> http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/pearl-clutching
2016-11-28T01:51:19 < ohsix> nobody asked for your advice
2016-11-28T01:51:25 < ohsix> so much for any value it had
2016-11-28T01:51:37 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: you're duly chastened, don't use blender, don't use freecad
2016-11-28T01:51:39 < ohsix> same to you upgrdman 
2016-11-28T01:51:57 < ohsix> you didn't even read or seem to know upgrdman's motivations
2016-11-28T01:52:06 < ohsix> what you said wasn't only unsolicited, it was retarded
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2016-11-28T01:53:15 < ohsix> now i'm not busy
2016-11-28T01:53:32 < ohsix> i'm glad there wasn't any opportunity for you lot, (btw i hate you) to distract me
2016-11-28T01:54:00 < ReadErr> get a room you two
2016-11-28T01:54:04 < ohsix> for real
2016-11-28T01:54:07 < upgrdman> ohsix, ? are you mad at me?
2016-11-28T01:54:21 < ohsix> upgrdman: nah i'm trying to panto LeelooMinai
2016-11-28T01:54:26 < upgrdman> k
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2016-11-28T01:54:57 < ohsix> she's so thick that she doesn't get that when she talks about noise, she's added loads, when she implies that we should be talking about something else, she refuses to do the same, she's full of shit
2016-11-28T01:55:19 < ohsix> and i'm the troll
2016-11-28T01:55:56 < upgrdman> <LeelooMinai> ohsix: Can you stop making noise - I don't read it much, and I am sure no one sane will read it either:)
2016-11-28T01:55:56 < upgrdman> <ohsix> can you fuck off and start talking about the stm32, i'm beginning to think you're only here to start shit and be dumb
2016-11-28T01:55:56 < upgrdman> lol
2016-11-28T01:58:34 < Laurenceb_> wow this channel
2016-11-28T01:58:42 < Laurenceb_> I'm irl lolling reading the scrollback
2016-11-28T01:58:54 < upgrdman> inorite
2016-11-28T01:59:25 < Laurenceb_> need to get copypastered to bash.org
2016-11-28T02:00:25 < Laurenceb_> https://sli.mg/Xii8Qc
2016-11-28T02:00:37 < Laurenceb_> freecad broke my stl :(
2016-11-28T02:00:56 < Laurenceb_> weird aliasing
2016-11-28T02:01:03 < aandrew> wow I heard about that toblerone thing in the UK but god damn they really are fucking you 
2016-11-28T02:01:06 < aandrew> that's ridiculous
2016-11-28T02:01:09 < ohsix> aandrew: haha yea
2016-11-28T02:01:26 < ohsix> not tha ti'm super invested in it, like i said i've never actually seen the chocolate part, but that's pretty nuts :D
2016-11-28T02:01:28 < aandrew> it really frustrates me how companies do this shit
2016-11-28T02:01:36 < aandrew> same with hallowe'en candy. smaller and smaller
2016-11-28T02:01:38 < aandrew> same price though
2016-11-28T02:01:48 < ohsix> well, to be fair they kept the iconic box
2016-11-28T02:01:57 < ohsix> and i think that's basically been their brand
2016-11-28T02:02:18 < ohsix> i thought it was a solid bar :<
2016-11-28T02:02:23 < upgrdman> whats noteworthy about toblerones now? did they change something
2016-11-28T02:02:28 < ohsix> yea sec
2016-11-28T02:02:41 < ohsix> 15:08 < ohsix> http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37904703
2016-11-28T02:02:55 < upgrdman> WTF
2016-11-28T02:02:57 < upgrdman> those cunts
2016-11-28T02:03:15 < ohsix> i love the bbc
2016-11-28T02:03:21 < ohsix> Some consumers have described the move as "the wrong decision" and said the bigger spaces looked "stupid".
2016-11-28T02:03:24 < Laurenceb_> we know you do
2016-11-28T02:03:25 < ohsix> that is just so good
2016-11-28T02:03:51 < Laurenceb_> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bbc&utm_source=search-action
2016-11-28T02:04:04 < ohsix> yes yes
2016-11-28T02:04:18 < ohsix> also the british broadcasting company
2016-11-28T02:04:47 < ohsix> still got a lot of day left in my do nothing sunday, need to get ebay crap
2016-11-28T02:04:51 < upgrdman> oh so this change only affects the UK?
2016-11-28T02:04:56 < upgrdman> ok cool
2016-11-28T02:05:29 < aandrew> "iconic box" blah. keep the iconic chocolate
2016-11-28T02:05:38 < ohsix> i'd never seen the chocolate :o
2016-11-28T02:05:44 < aandrew> it's good, I like it
2016-11-28T02:05:53 < aandrew> but yeah they are ripping you off with that redesign
2016-11-28T02:05:53 < upgrdman> i used to buy a toblerone every time i went to Fry's
2016-11-28T02:05:55 < ohsix> ya, i've seen tons of people get and gift them
2016-11-28T02:05:56 < aandrew> it really looks idiotic
2016-11-28T02:06:14 < ohsix> the picture of the chocolate on the fb page looks really good
2016-11-28T02:06:24 < ohsix> irl it's chalky looking garbage like in the 'new' one
2016-11-28T02:06:34 < aandrew> ohsix: that's what it used to look like
2016-11-28T02:06:40 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: yep, this is important stuff
2016-11-28T02:07:04 < ohsix> very
2016-11-28T02:07:17 < ohsix> it's just in time to make the most amount of money for the holiday sales too
2016-11-28T02:07:38 < ohsix> they can sell most of what they sell all year in these last 2 months then go 'oh sorry' after 4q
2016-11-28T02:07:58 < upgrdman> random wtf thought: i bet someone has used a toblerone as some makeshift anal beads
2016-11-28T02:08:08 < Laurenceb_> no homo
2016-11-28T02:08:13 < ohsix> they'll be pleased by the new shape
2016-11-28T02:08:18 < ohsix> maybe that'll become a larger market
2016-11-28T02:08:35 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: have you seen that young thug tweet?
2016-11-28T02:08:45 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/thugactivities/status/722790541268627456
2016-11-28T02:08:49 < Laurenceb_> no and I dont want to
2016-11-28T02:08:56 < Laurenceb_> wtf is this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_Whys
2016-11-28T02:09:02 < ohsix> haha
2016-11-28T02:09:24 < Laurenceb_> by repeating why five times, the nature of the problem as well as its solution becomes clear.
2016-11-28T02:09:30 < ohsix> i thought you only needed one why
2016-11-28T02:09:32 < Laurenceb_> wtf I can't even
2016-11-28T02:09:36 < ohsix> and then successive why's are implied
2016-11-28T02:09:44 < Laurenceb_> makes zero sense
2016-11-28T02:10:12  * Laurenceb_ is applying for jerbs
2016-11-28T02:10:31 < Laurenceb_>  "Knowledge of 5Ys required"
2016-11-28T02:10:39 < Laurenceb_> I will give this one a miss
2016-11-28T02:10:47 < ohsix> is that really a thing?
2016-11-28T02:10:50 < ohsix> what industry is the job in
2016-11-28T02:11:07 < ohsix> A key phrase to keep in mind in any 5 Why exercise is "people do not fail, processes do".
2016-11-28T02:11:11 < Laurenceb_> industrial HVAC
2016-11-28T02:11:13 < ohsix> 5 why is a process methodology
2016-11-28T02:11:37 < ohsix> oh heh, you get further down and find out it's just some dudes mantra at toyota
2016-11-28T02:11:44 < Laurenceb_> ohsix confirmed as business bullshitter
2016-11-28T02:12:07 < ohsix> it's just ironic that they say that in the same article / as part of the thing
2016-11-28T02:12:16 < Laurenceb_> instead of asking the question why?, ask why did the process fail?
2016-11-28T02:12:20 < ohsix> any application of it would be a process methodology
2016-11-28T02:12:20 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2016-11-28T02:12:35 < ohsix> oh there's a way to apply this properly
2016-11-28T02:12:36 < Laurenceb_> of course the answer is 42
2016-11-28T02:12:42 < ohsix> there are 13 rules
2016-11-28T02:12:54 < ohsix> that doesn't sound as cool
2016-11-28T02:12:57 < ohsix> 'the 13 rules'
2016-11-28T02:13:13 < ohsix> Let’s use paper or whiteboard instead of computers.
2016-11-28T02:13:20 < ohsix> Let’s write down the problem and make sure that all people understand it.
2016-11-28T02:13:23 < ohsix> hahah that couldl take hours
2016-11-28T02:13:38 < ohsix> Let’s make sure that root causes certainly lead to the mistake by reversing the sentences created as a result of the analysis with the use of expression “and therefore”.
2016-11-28T02:14:04 < ohsix> they talk about root cause as if it isn't its' own process
2016-11-28T02:14:19 < ohsix> ya f those dudes that's some major wank
2016-11-28T02:14:44 < ohsix> (the bbc article specifically mentions that the toblerone thing isn't due to brexit, lul)
2016-11-28T02:16:15  * karlp is happily amused to see ohsix get angry
2016-11-28T02:17:38 < karlp> the toblerones I've been buying here recently have been "traditional", but they've also been on special for a few weeks, maybe clearing stock?
2016-11-28T02:18:11 < karlp> upgrdman: heh, I used to buy toblerone at frys too,
2016-11-28T02:18:16 < ohsix> btw telling people to use ignore is the pro move, i've been fucked up since like a year and a half ago, getting into arguments with people that can barely convey what they mean
2016-11-28T02:18:16 < karlp> always had to buy some candy in that line
2016-11-28T02:18:22 < ohsix> karlp: huhu
2016-11-28T02:18:41 < karlp> ohsix: makes me all warm and fuzzy :)
2016-11-28T02:18:58 < upgrdman> karlp, ya they know how to position that merchandise :)
2016-11-28T02:19:28 < karlp> when I first moved there, my roommate and I would go to the different bay area frys just for the attraction
2016-11-28T02:19:35 < karlp> "look at the style of this one?!!"
2016-11-28T02:20:41 < upgrdman> ya in orange county they have two, a castle themed one, and a space ship themed one. although both themes are kinda half assed
2016-11-28T02:24:48 < ohsix> here's my story: a bunch of years ago i started operating under the assumption that 'more discussion' could solve most/all misunderstandings, probably from some personal frustration about communicating poorly
2016-11-28T02:25:12 < ohsix> so only this year did i realize that there are so many people out there that are too thick or withotu self awareness, or just outright there to fuck with you
2016-11-28T02:25:18 < ohsix> that whole ethos doesn't really handle that
2016-11-28T02:25:48 < ohsix> i still give people too much credit
2016-11-28T02:25:58 < ohsix> when i say people, i mean the ones that end up being a huge waste of effort
2016-11-28T02:26:08 < ohsix> howru karlp 
2016-11-28T02:26:43 < upgrdman> anyone used those hobbyking "LSD" (eneloop-ish) NiMH batteries? wonder why kinda ESR they have. load is maybe 500mA average, but might have 5-10A peaks.
2016-11-28T02:26:55 < upgrdman> s/why/what
2016-11-28T02:28:19 < ohsix> there was a dude that i think mentioned them but i don't know who it is or remember how to find them :D (on freenode)
2016-11-28T02:28:46 < ohsix> might have been ReadErr or someone he knows
2016-11-28T02:29:05 < ReadErr> not used them
2016-11-28T02:29:18 < ohsix> what size battery are you looking at, just going by the ratings for cell size should be enough, low self discharge basically means not shit, most nimh batteries are not-shit now
2016-11-28T02:29:27 < ReadErr> I wouldnt expect 5-10A out of them though
2016-11-28T02:29:36 < ohsix> same
2016-11-28T02:29:40 < ohsix> even if it were a large cell
2016-11-28T02:30:07 < ohsix> that's kind of a high average for AA too
2016-11-28T02:30:49 < ohsix> probably want a prismatic cell with huge surface area to do that kind of stuff
2016-11-28T02:31:39 < ReadErr> that current can murder 18650s even
2016-11-28T02:31:42 < ohsix> ReadErr: when black mirror came out on netflix, did they post s1 too?
2016-11-28T02:31:45 < aandrew> Laurenceb_: just apply. don't worry about their idiotic "requirements'
2016-11-28T02:31:52 < ReadErr> and those LSD arent 1/4 the cell of them
2016-11-28T02:31:57 < aandrew> it was written by some HR pissant trying to justify their job
2016-11-28T02:32:36 < ohsix> aandrew: my interpretation of a company that would put tha tin a job posting is that it is a huge red flag
2016-11-28T02:32:42 < ohsix> guess it's worth finding out if that were true :p
2016-11-28T02:34:50 < ohsix> hm i forgot pc could heat the room, maybe i should be playing video games
2016-11-28T02:34:51 < aandrew> ohsix: nah
2016-11-28T02:35:06 < aandrew> the job postings are usually very much out of touch with the actual team you'll be on
2016-11-28T02:35:07 < ReadErr> MINE BUTTCOINS
2016-11-28T02:35:14 < aandrew> as a contractor I've run into this time and time and time again
2016-11-28T02:35:16 < ReadErr> GPU+CPU
2016-11-28T02:35:54 < aandrew> I look at a job posting as a very vague idea of what they're looking for and if it sounds interesting and something I could learn or alreayd know, I apply
2016-11-28T02:36:02 < ReadErr> why havent consoles added keyboard/mouse support yet
2016-11-28T02:36:12 < aandrew> I'd say 80% of the time I get interviewed, and once I've interviewed I almost *always* get an offer
2016-11-28T02:36:24 < aandrew> once I'm in I usually go through 2-5 contract extensions :-)
2016-11-28T02:36:43 < ohsix> aandrew: ah
2016-11-28T02:36:59 < aandrew> you really find out the story in the interview (phone or in-person)
2016-11-28T02:37:00 < ohsix> ReadErr: plug them in, they support them
2016-11-28T02:37:09 < ohsix> mouse doesn't always do what you expect tho
2016-11-28T02:37:09 < aandrew> if you get a weird feeling there, trust it
2016-11-28T02:37:19 < aandrew> but from the job posting: fuck it, it's total fiction
2016-11-28T02:38:31 < ohsix> i wasn't considering how many you might have seen
2016-11-28T02:38:52 < ohsix> i'll probably be working as a contractor, since i kind of got roped into doing that anyways recently, figuring out all the paperwork and stuff
2016-11-28T02:39:27 < ohsix> ReadErr: nice! they have s1 on netflix, going to start that tonight
2016-11-28T02:39:37 < ohsix> i've had the dvdripz since the dvds came out, basically
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2016-11-28T02:40:06 < ohsix> michael che & dana carvey specials too
2016-11-28T02:40:37 < Jak_o_Shadows> I wanna look into FreeCAD. But yeah, it's a big change from inventor
2016-11-28T02:40:49 < ohsix> it's all mostly the same
2016-11-28T02:41:11 < ohsix> geometry engine either has the feature or doesn't, and the uis are really similar but different to not be literally interchangeable
2016-11-28T02:41:49 < ohsix> fusion 360 is kind of neat, there's a bunch of new on geometry ui to say what an action is
2016-11-28T02:41:57 < Jak_o_Shadows> I couldn't quite figure out how to do basic stuff
2016-11-28T02:41:58 < ohsix> so people that aren't familiar with it can just do shit
2016-11-28T02:42:11 < ohsix> what's basic? were you looking for parametric modelling or direct modelling?
2016-11-28T02:42:42 < aandrew> http://www.curvemag.com/CuniD6tWAAALG5Z.jpg
2016-11-28T02:42:51 < aandrew> I fucking love contracting
2016-11-28T02:43:18 < aandrew> the only way I'll go back to being an indentured sev^W^Wemployee is when I'm ready to slow down 
2016-11-28T02:43:29 < aandrew> steady salary, same crowd, interesting work
2016-11-28T02:43:29 < Jak_o_Shadows> parametric
2016-11-28T02:43:45 < aandrew> I'd love to settle down at the place I'm at now (NDI) they're a great company
2016-11-28T02:45:05 < Jak_o_Shadows> eh. I have an old copy of inventor
2016-11-28T02:47:07 < Jak_o_Shadows> If i'm using one autodesk product, i'd rather use inventor
2016-11-28T02:47:58 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: http://solvespace.com/tutorial.pl check this out
2016-11-28T02:48:21 < Jak_o_Shadows> It's not free.
2016-11-28T02:48:32 < Jak_o_Shadows> But I have a slightly older copy that it's legal for me to use
2016-11-28T02:48:46 < ReadErr> ohsix: of what? black mirror?
2016-11-28T02:48:49 < ohsix> ReadErr: yea
2016-11-28T02:49:06 < ReadErr> theres no real order or continuity 
2016-11-28T02:49:08 < ohsix> i dunno why but i expected them to only have the new series that was produced for them
2016-11-28T02:49:09 < ohsix> right
2016-11-28T02:49:31 < ohsix> fan of charlie brooker tho, want to watch the old ones first
2016-11-28T02:49:35 < ReadErr> its one of the only UK shows ill watch
2016-11-28T02:49:47 < Jak_o_Shadows> hey, ohsix, hadn't heard of that one
2016-11-28T02:50:47 < ohsix> Jak_o_Shadows: finding out how to model some things completely parametric is hard though :D i've been able to use this for 100% of simple things so far
2016-11-28T02:51:07 < Jak_o_Shadows> aye, it is a skill
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2016-11-28T02:51:34 < ReadErr> lol that was odd
2016-11-28T02:51:50 < ReadErr> who is that
2016-11-28T02:51:52 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-28T02:51:53 < ohsix> joining too
2016-11-28T02:51:54 < ReadErr> upgrdman ?
2016-11-28T02:52:03 < ohsix> nah he's been here a bit
2016-11-28T02:52:57 < upgrdman> ReadErr, ?
2016-11-28T02:53:18 < ohsix> he was probably busy and maybe only interested in freecad, popped in to mention it and see what was up; shrug
2016-11-28T02:53:35 < upgrdman> o
2016-11-28T02:57:19 < Laurenceb_> for parametric in freecad create a macro
2016-11-28T02:57:23 < Laurenceb_> oh hes gone
2016-11-28T02:57:44 < ohsix> what do you mean creates a macro
2016-11-28T02:57:53 < ohsix> like it's imported as a series of direct modelling steps?
2016-11-28T02:58:07 < ohsix> how did you learn to use it, is there a 'make a bracket' tutorial somewhere
2016-11-28T02:58:48 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKkrrtwnjU8
2016-11-28T02:58:56 < ReadErr> I might have to watch these
2016-11-28T02:59:02 < ReadErr> b4 the remake 
2016-11-28T02:59:13 < ReadErr> seems like some twisted ass shit
2016-11-28T03:00:17 < ohsix> the videos about twin peaks or twin peaks itself?
2016-11-28T03:00:20 < ohsix> it's super funny
2016-11-28T03:00:33 < ohsix> like you never hear anyone talking about it being funny, just good, but it's hilarious
2016-11-28T03:00:39 < ohsix> second season is unfunny
2016-11-28T03:00:40 < ReadErr> never heard of both before today
2016-11-28T03:01:00 < Laurenceb_> ohsix: you write macros in python
2016-11-28T03:01:19 < ohsix> ReadErr: haha wat, k, yea watch the first season
2016-11-28T03:01:20 < ohsix> it's boss
2016-11-28T03:01:37 < ReadErr> they said 2017 some new shit drops
2016-11-28T03:01:38 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6N-YmGuiGw
2016-11-28T03:02:40 < ReadErr> yea just seems super weird and awkward lol
2016-11-28T03:02:42 < ReadErr> i want to watch
2016-11-28T03:03:17 < ohsix> this is not representative
2016-11-28T03:03:21 < ohsix> it's just a part i loved
2016-11-28T03:03:29 < ohsix> people are laughing off camera too, and they kept it in the show
2016-11-28T03:04:26 < ohsix> i only got to watching it seriously this year
2016-11-28T03:04:47 < ohsix> i'd seen it all before but i was young and dumb and didn't really pay attention and shit
2016-11-28T03:05:26 < ohsix> another scene coop spins around when a gun goes off and i los tmy shit
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2016-11-28T03:06:07 < ohsix>  i ... should make a gif of him spinning forever
2016-11-28T03:10:04 < ReadErr> Most of the original cast returns, including Kyle MacLachlan, Mädchen Amick, Sherilyn Fenn, Sheryl Lee, Ray Wise, and several others. New additions include Monica Bellucci, Jeremy Davies, Trent Reznor, Laura Dern, Robert Forster, Tim Roth, Jennifer Jason Leigh, Ashley Judd, Tom Sizemore, Amanda Seyfried, Matthew Lillard, and Naomi Watts.[102]
2016-11-28T03:10:11 < ReadErr> dat cast
2016-11-28T03:10:23 < ohsix> lul matthew lillard
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2016-11-28T03:10:29 < ReadErr> trent
2016-11-28T03:10:31 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-28T03:10:38 < ohsix> yea not as interesting as matthew lillard
2016-11-28T03:10:51 < ohsix> he's weird af and is going to be ultra twin peaks-y no doubt
2016-11-28T03:12:04 < ohsix> laura dern too
2016-11-28T03:12:13 < ohsix> she's less weird but i can only imagine
2016-11-28T03:12:32 < ReadErr> decent people though
2016-11-28T03:12:34 < ReadErr> should be good
2016-11-28T03:20:52 < englishman> ReadErr: twin peaks is pretty good
2016-11-28T03:20:55 < englishman> david lynch
2016-11-28T03:21:22 < ReadErr> ya thats what I figure
2016-11-28T03:21:25 < ReadErr> he good with it
2016-11-28T03:21:34 < ReadErr> it was just before my time
2016-11-28T03:22:06 < ReadErr> need to finish blackmirror 
2016-11-28T03:22:10 < ReadErr> then ill watch that
2016-11-28T03:23:17 < ohsix> it can wait huhuhuhuhu
2016-11-28T03:23:31 < ohsix> 16:49 < ReadErr> theres no real order or continuity 
2016-11-28T03:23:54 < ReadErr> yea but theres only a few eps
2016-11-28T03:23:59 < ohsix> you have nutflix right? that's where i watched it, even though i have the bluray
2016-11-28T03:24:07 < ReadErr> then my mind will be ready to run the train
2016-11-28T03:24:19 < ReadErr> i dont have netflix
2016-11-28T03:24:29 < ohsix> http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ is this dead for everyone? after f25 release stuff it started acting funny, now dead
2016-11-28T03:25:13 < ReadErr> yea no load
2016-11-28T03:25:14 < ohsix> that repo is such a sight, always fucked up
2016-11-28T03:25:33 < ohsix> when a new fedora version comes out they only start workign on shit and they just discard packages like crazy
2016-11-28T03:26:08 < ohsix> still handy but it is an unusual thing :\
2016-11-28T03:33:07 < [7]> I'm trying to put this f072 into sleep mode, and have it being woken up again after a while using the RTC periodic wakeup timer
2016-11-28T03:33:16 < [7]> it just doesn't wake up :/
2016-11-28T03:33:49 < [7]> however if I break and continue in the debugger, I end up in the RTC IRQ handler, so it is definitely interrupting the core
2016-11-28T03:34:22 < [7]> ideas what might be preventing that from waking it up?
2016-11-28T03:35:08 < [7]> well that doesn't explain why it doesn't wake up without one :P
2016-11-28T03:35:19 < [7]> I'm just using that to confirm that I'm actually getting the IRQ, which I do
2016-11-28T03:37:28 < [7]> yes
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2016-11-28T03:39:31 < [7]> yes, and even if it would be stop, it wouldn't matter
2016-11-28T03:39:38 < [7]> (and standby would cause a system reset)
2016-11-28T03:42:29 < [7]> yes, I only started debugging that after I wondered why it didn't wake up
2016-11-28T03:43:50 < [7]> hm, how do IRQ priorities and being in handler mode interact with sleep mode?
2016-11-28T03:44:04 < [7]> is it legal to sleep from within an IRQ handler?
2016-11-28T03:45:59 < [7]> aha. this was an IRQ priority thing
2016-11-28T03:46:06 < [7]> the RTC IRQ's priority was too low
2016-11-28T03:48:22 < ohsix> so what do you suspect happened, on wakeup from the debugger irq, the rtc irq was pending?
2016-11-28T03:48:53 < ohsix> is there a 'level' / priority configuration threshold for when an irq wakes something from sleep? i thought that was orthogonal to other nvic configuration
2016-11-28T03:49:26 < [7]> apparently it doesn't if it wouldn't actually preempt the WFI instruction
2016-11-28T03:49:55 < ohsix> http://cube3rd.blogspot.com/p/glass.html heh playing a game that finally got noticed on google play, came out in 2014
2016-11-28T03:50:18 < ohsix> [7]: k, if you find manual section or whatever that explains that i'd like to read it :p i dunno where it would be
2016-11-28T03:50:26 < ohsix> probably m0 arch ref from arm?
2016-11-28T03:52:35 < ohsix> An interrupt can enter pending state even if it is disabled. Disabling an interrupt only prevents the processor from taking that interrupt.
2016-11-28T03:52:37 < ohsix> huhu
2016-11-28T03:52:46 < [7]> v6M ARM states it pretty clearly
2016-11-28T03:52:53 < [7]> "If PRIMASK.PM is set to 1, an asynchronous exception that has a higher group priority than
2016-11-28T03:52:53 < [7]> any active exception results in a WFI instruction exit. If the group priority of the exception is
2016-11-28T03:52:53 < [7]> less than or equal to the execution group priority, the exception is ignored."
2016-11-28T03:53:00 < [7]> page A6-198
2016-11-28T03:54:12 < ohsix> k interesting
2016-11-28T03:54:18 < ohsix> guess i don't know tha tmuch about nvic
2016-11-28T03:54:30 < ohsix> like, group priority :D
2016-11-28T03:55:11 < ohsix> what makes them part of a group, just some same id?
2016-11-28T03:56:37 < ohsix> o the nvic has different stuff in the m0
2016-11-28T03:56:50 < ohsix> cpsie/sid
2016-11-28T03:57:27 < [7]> priority levels can be grouped, so their member priorities can't preempt each other but will be respected if multiple IRQs arrive at the same time
2016-11-28T03:58:01 < [7]> "an exception that has a higher group priority than any active exception" basically means "an IRQ that would preempt it"
2016-11-28T03:58:07 < ohsix> http://embeddedgurus.com/state-space/2014/02/cutting-through-the-confusion-with-arm-cortex-m-interrupt-priorities/
2016-11-28T03:58:10 < ohsix> right
2016-11-28T03:58:15 < [7]> "it" being whatever is currently being executed, i.e. the WFI
2016-11-28T03:59:05 < ohsix> makes sense, just hadn't heard 'group' being used to describe it, wasn't sure if it was some big thing i'd missed entirely
2016-11-28T03:59:29 < ohsix> certainly when assessing a set of irqs to see which will get handled, that is a group
2016-11-28T04:01:10 < ohsix> so subpriority can be thought of as an id to decide who wins when a sub-group of irqs are pending
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2016-11-28T04:02:40 < ohsix> so no handler was being activated? and you expected it to be the rtc?
2016-11-28T04:04:07 < [7]> LeelooMinai: to avoid races
2016-11-28T04:04:31 < [7]> the event that is supposed to wake you up could slip through before you actually sleep if you don't assert that
2016-11-28T04:06:52 < [7]> seems to be a common practice, and I think I saw ARM recommend that somewhere
2016-11-28T04:07:29 < ohsix> right, word
2016-11-28T04:15:56 < ohsix> ReadErr: dirk gently gets slightly interesting by ep4
2016-11-28T04:16:02 < ohsix> 1-3 seem like a hard sell
2016-11-28T04:16:38 < englishman> besides flash + packages, what differences are there between 042 and 072?
2016-11-28T04:19:08 < englishman> hmm, less ram, less 16b timers, no dac or comparators, less i2c+spi, ;less uarts, ok they are pretty different
2016-11-28T04:19:25 < ohsix> on the low power stuff there are usually low power peripheral differences
2016-11-28T04:19:31 < ohsix> but i dunno
2016-11-28T04:19:43 < englishman> o yeah this is F0x2
2016-11-28T04:19:50 < englishman> not L
2016-11-28T04:20:03 < ohsix> ReadErr: modern tv is like, lacking in confidence in what they're doing, 1-3 is like, not willing to risk keeping things weird and still wasting too much time explaining things
2016-11-28T04:21:38 < [7]> englishman: f072 has more memory, some more peripherals, and is actually cheaper than f042
2016-11-28T04:21:42 < [7]> (at least in china)
2016-11-28T04:21:54 < englishman> yeah i saw that last time i got samples
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2016-11-28T04:22:03 < englishman> but the 0.8mm pitch part is interesting
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2016-11-28T04:22:54 < ohsix> eh speaking of tiny packages or bga
2016-11-28T04:23:11 < ohsix> if you need to rework something do you just use another part? or is there something you can do
2016-11-28T04:23:49 < aandrew> you can't rework BGA
2016-11-28T04:23:55 < aandrew> you have to remove it, reball it and try again
2016-11-28T04:23:58 < ohsix> and uh, if you're not using an oven or anything is it too much trouble
2016-11-28T04:24:32 < aandrew> hot air is needed for putting a single BGA back on or off
2016-11-28T04:24:44 < [7]> paint stripper is the tool of choice ;)
2016-11-28T04:24:59 < aandrew> if the board is particuarly dense or many layers you may also need preheating althoughit's not absolutely necessary
2016-11-28T04:25:00 < ohsix> yea i got that
2016-11-28T04:25:45  * [7] finally got himself a cheap hot air station after getting tired of that paint stripper thing
2016-11-28T04:26:00 < aandrew> yeah I bought a youyue 858D+ off aliexpress
2016-11-28T04:26:04 < ohsix> the 852d clones, there are some good ones
2016-11-28T04:26:06 < aandrew> it works reaosonably well
2016-11-28T04:26:15 < ohsix> yihua had really good finish and shit, it's one of the cheaper ones
2016-11-28T04:26:24 < aandrew> apparenlty there are some really shitty versions though, mine is well done (looked inside too)
2016-11-28T04:26:35  * [7] has an 858d+ on order right now
2016-11-28T04:26:36 < ohsix> but i have access to one anyways, thinking of less than dip packages i can put on stuff
2016-11-28T04:27:07 < ohsix> what about csp packages? flip chip parts
2016-11-28T04:27:08 < aandrew> eevblog has a nice thread on replacing the MCU with an atmega I think and software to really improve it overall
2016-11-28T04:27:13 < aandrew> haven't done that yet but considering it
2016-11-28T04:27:53 < ohsix> like, the pitch isn't the ultimate problem is it, if you have the tools
2016-11-28T04:28:19 < [7]> speaking of cheap china stuff: I'm fairly impressed with that laser range finder that I just got for 22€ on amazon
2016-11-28T04:28:34 < [7]> 40m range and it works like a treat, has LOTS of math/memory functions etc
2016-11-28T04:29:53 < ohsix> it's amazing how much you've wasted your time when you get and use a better tool for a thing
2016-11-28T04:30:05 < ohsix> borrowed impact wrench to do car and it turns a few hour job into a few minutes
2016-11-28T04:30:15 < ohsix> cuz you aren't spending a half hour on removing the wheel with a wrench
2016-11-28T04:31:23 < ohsix> guy i borrowed the compressor from was talking a bunch about how he was going to get a new one, it broke while i was using it and i mended it so he gave it to me lul
2016-11-28T04:31:54 < [7]> I have a Bosch 15m one, that I got from a local store for 40€-ish some time ago, and it actually has worse accuracy specs
2016-11-28T04:32:05 < [7]> that was also quite a discount
2016-11-28T04:32:06 < ohsix> i can disassemble my car and the engine and everything in a few hours with an impact guh huhu
2016-11-28T04:32:09 < ohsix> my entire car
2016-11-28T04:32:26 < ohsix> it's a game changer wrt. difficulty & expense of a lot of repairs
2016-11-28T04:33:01 < [7]> +-3mm on the Bosch one, claimed +-2mm on the china one (and it seems to match the readings of the Bosch one)
2016-11-28T04:33:05 < ohsix> aandrew: i think i can get inside pictures of the clones i've got at the lab and my friends if you want to get some from yours
2016-11-28T04:33:19 < ohsix> i've seen the outsides and used ones that were different/better but dunno if the guts are trash
2016-11-28T04:33:20 < ohsix> bbl
2016-11-28T04:34:58 < [7]> it's more accurate than basically anything else for distances >2m
2016-11-28T04:36:16 < [7]> and you think that's more accurate in practice? doubt it.
2016-11-28T04:36:25 < [7]> consider things like thermal expansion etc.
2016-11-28T04:36:37 < [7]> I mostly use it to estimate cable lengths or check if some furniture would fit somewhere, that kind of thing, where it's extremely handy
2016-11-28T04:36:47 < [7]> or to plan rigging in a venue etc.
2016-11-28T04:37:11 < [7]> projector to screen distance, etc.
2016-11-28T04:37:20 < [7]> 15m range is a bit on the low end for that, 40m is just perfect
2016-11-28T04:42:25 < [7]> on some highend one maybe
2016-11-28T04:42:30 < [7]> plus a dozen other factors
2016-11-28T04:46:56 < aandrew> ohsix: inside pictures of what, the 858D+?
2016-11-28T04:47:09 < [7]> so basically the same thing from Bosch for 4 times the price ;)
2016-11-28T04:47:46 < [7]> US$25-ish
2016-11-28T04:49:00 < [7]> https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01A0PQJ0Y
2016-11-28T04:49:21 < [7]> that's the one, and for <15m I have my bosch thing to verify its performance
2016-11-28T04:50:15 < [7]> they just stole the picture, mine has a Tacklife logo
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2016-11-28T04:50:39 < [7]> no, didn't open it yet, but let me have a look if it can be opened easily
2016-11-28T04:51:23 < [7]> hm, screw under a label :/
2016-11-28T04:52:07 < [7]> :P
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2016-11-28T04:58:39 < aandrew> hahaha https://i.reddituploads.com/208bc39856e841ae86c1cd4f65b984b1?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=46753507b9aa58daf804e4aef908514d
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2016-11-28T05:10:57 < englishman> lol aandrew 
2016-11-28T05:42:21 < ColdKeyboard> Any suggestions what to check when RTC (DS1307) is not working? I have 4k7 pull-ups to 5V rail, xtal is there, battery is there. On Logic Analyzer I see SDA and SCL starting but there is no ACK :\
2016-11-28T05:44:32 < dongs> address is wrong?
2016-11-28T05:44:48 < dongs> ie your i2c needs address shifted or not shifted etc
2016-11-28T05:44:50 < ColdKeyboard> I see mcu trying to communicate with 0xd0
2016-11-28T05:44:50 < dongs> and you fucked it up
2016-11-28T05:45:00 < dongs> is that including write bit?
2016-11-28T05:45:05 < ColdKeyboard> which according to the datasheet is correct
2016-11-28T05:45:22 < dongs> which STM32 runs at 5V?
2016-11-28T05:46:06 < ColdKeyboard> unfortunatelly I'm not using stm for this one but I was wondering about RTC did anyone have similair issues/
2016-11-28T05:46:38 < ColdKeyboard> The slave address byte contains the 7-bit DS1307 address, which is 1101000, followed by the direction bit (R/W), which for a write is 0
2016-11-28T05:48:23 < dongs> right
2016-11-28T05:48:36 < dongs> anywa,y im using DS2303? or whatever some hue 16SOP thing wiht i2c just fine
2016-11-28T05:49:00 < dongs> DS3231
2016-11-28T05:49:59 < ColdKeyboard> Yea, I think that one is his bigger brother
2016-11-28T05:52:41 < ColdKeyboard> LeelooMinai How do I check that? I just showed 32.768 onto X1 and X2
2016-11-28T05:53:54 < ColdKeyboard> LeelooMinai Yea, according to the DS this guys is picky about xtal
2016-11-28T05:54:10 < ColdKeyboard> I don't have scope at home, I just have logic analyzer
2016-11-28T05:54:39 < dongs> looks like you've got handled
2016-11-28T05:54:46 < dongs> brace for autism
2016-11-28T05:55:14 < ColdKeyboard> dongs Why so salty dude? :)
2016-11-28T05:55:21 < ColdKeyboard> LeelooMinai I'll try it
2016-11-28T05:56:18  * ColdKeyboard hugs dongs (*no homo*)
2016-11-28T05:56:26 < ColdKeyboard> there, some love to rectify that :)
2016-11-28T06:08:58 < Thorn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT22uXUI-vg
2016-11-28T06:15:39 < ColdKeyboard> LMAO
2016-11-28T06:15:46 < ColdKeyboard> f-cking wires from ebay
2016-11-28T06:16:27 < ColdKeyboard> replaced wires with 10ohm resistors and it started working. Checked continuity on all 10 different wires that I've tried and none of them have continuity... fml
2016-11-28T06:19:42 < dongs> good job
2016-11-28T06:31:24 < jadew> ColdKeyboard, what kind of wires?
2016-11-28T06:35:26 < dongs> gonna guess those chinese rainbow jumper wires
2016-11-28T06:35:35 < dongs> that you get liek 100 for $1
2016-11-28T06:35:45 < jadew> ah, yeah, those get interrupted at the handles
2016-11-28T06:36:27 < jadew> I wonder if there are better ones out there
2016-11-28T06:44:43 < dongs> i bet o6 knows
2016-11-28T06:53:02 < upgrdman> jadew, i asked in here before, never got a good answer for that
2016-11-28T06:53:12 < upgrdman> like silicone versions with gold contacts
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2016-11-28T06:56:54 < upgrdman> jadew, i use these at work. they look like china trash, but are slightly better. not silicone, but much more flexible than the ebay dupont wire shitz    http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=ZW-FF-20virtualkey57130000virtualkey854-ZW-FF-20
2016-11-28T06:57:40 < upgrdman> "Contacts use tinned beryllium-copper in black plastic housings. PVC insulated ribbon cable. "
2016-11-28T06:59:08 < jadew> nice
2016-11-28T06:59:18 < jadew> I don't need top quality anyway
2016-11-28T07:16:10 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btZi6EiIXbY
2016-11-28T07:19:27 < Jak_o_Shadows> I've been making them myself
2016-11-28T07:30:09 < Thorn> is it safe to buy SIM800L gsm modules from aliexpress?
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2016-11-28T07:55:55 < ohsix> ReadErr: the memory one in the first series, ugh
2016-11-28T07:56:09 < ohsix> aandrew: yea
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2016-11-28T07:56:21 < ohsix> aandrew: i have some randos i can take pictures of
2016-11-28T07:56:46 < ohsix> i didn't know how crappy the one i was using is until i saw someones yihua
2016-11-28T07:57:16 < ohsix> there's just a red plastic thing in front of the displays, and all the displays update really slow (like 4 times a second)
2016-11-28T07:57:40 < ohsix> on the yihua the displays are fast, which is interesting on the air gun, and there's a custom plastic thing that actually fits in the cutout in the front
2016-11-28T07:58:15 < ohsix> there's probably a thread on the eevblag forums about this already, shrug
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2016-11-28T08:41:26 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/FlyingOverTr0ut/status/803086836629389313
2016-11-28T08:42:33 < ohsix> need the buckets
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2016-11-28T09:21:37 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/johnregehr/status/803129783668248576
2016-11-28T09:21:52 < ohsix> didn't know what compcert was, they talk about it a bit
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2016-11-28T10:29:20 < I-Wish> Maybe somebody knows... is there a usb gamepad driver for stm32?
2016-11-28T10:29:37 < Jak_o_Shadows> I am working on a joystick RIGHT NOW
2016-11-28T10:29:49 < zyp> I-Wish, driver?
2016-11-28T10:29:56 < I-Wish> cool
2016-11-28T10:30:00 < I-Wish> yep
2016-11-28T10:30:05 < zyp> in what sense?
2016-11-28T10:30:08 < Jak_o_Shadows> well, it's more the software tbh
2016-11-28T10:30:25 < zyp> are you referring to the device side code?
2016-11-28T10:30:38 < zyp> because gamepads are usually HID and doesn't require a driver on the host side
2016-11-28T10:30:40 < I-Wish> I mean software that recognizes usb gamepad
2016-11-28T10:31:00 < zyp> oh, in OTG mode?
2016-11-28T10:31:37 < I-Wish> I plan to write some games, that are not playable on touchscreen
2016-11-28T10:32:11 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: have you seen my USB HID project yet? Might be or might be not useful to you, depending on what you're after.
2016-11-28T10:32:31 < Jak_o_Shadows> PaulFertser, no I have not.
2016-11-28T10:32:38 < zyp> doing a full HID host requires a bunch of work to parse report descriptors
2016-11-28T10:32:57 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: https://github.com/paulfertser/stm32-tx-hid
2016-11-28T10:33:01 < zyp> might be easier to just hardcode for the report format of the specific gamepad you're going to use
2016-11-28T10:33:04 < Jak_o_Shadows> I'm currently using unicore-mx, and it's more or less working, but would definitle be intersted in looking
2016-11-28T10:33:05 < Jak_o_Shadows> ty
2016-11-28T10:33:26 < zyp> PaulFertser, that's HID device, not HID host, no?
2016-11-28T10:33:43 < PaulFertser> zyp: right, unrelated to what I-Wish wants, but related to what Jak_o_Shadows doing.
2016-11-28T10:34:04 < zyp> ah, right
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2016-11-28T10:36:07 < Jak_o_Shadows> You're doing basically the same thing as I am PaulFertser :D
2016-11-28T10:36:38 < Jak_o_Shadows> Which is good. I was having vague thoughts about WHERE to poll the buttons and ADC
2016-11-28T10:37:25 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: the way I'm doing it I'd describe as a quick hack but it seemed to work nicely.
2016-11-28T10:37:43 < Jak_o_Shadows> Mine is: https://github.com/Jak-o-Shadows/simpanel so far.
2016-11-28T10:37:44 < Jak_o_Shadows> Yeah.
2016-11-28T10:37:59 < Jak_o_Shadows> I'm going to connect to other devices via i2c - so I have some concerns about speed
2016-11-28T10:38:21 < Jak_o_Shadows> (Note that the latest version is uploaded - that was testing, I hadn't setup all the pins and ADC
2016-11-28T10:39:11 < Jak_o_Shadows> is not*
2016-11-28T10:41:05 < PaulFertser> Jak_o_Shadows: yeah, pretty similar.
2016-11-28T10:43:41 < zyp> http://cgit.jvnv.net/arcin/tree/main.cpp <- here's mine
2016-11-28T10:44:23 < Jak_o_Shadows> I'm glad we've all done it
2016-11-28T10:45:42 < PaulFertser> I should have used zyp's...
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2016-11-28T11:12:57 < jadew> major slae on steam, don't know if you guys know about it already
2016-11-28T11:13:12 < jadew> I just noticed it and I finally bought another world :D
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2016-11-28T11:25:39 < dongs> major sale of shit is still shit
2016-11-28T11:25:55 < jadew> I'm happy about that game
2016-11-28T11:29:09 < dongs> wat
2016-11-28T11:29:15 < dongs> anotherworld? the ancient DOS thing?
2016-11-28T11:29:19 < jadew> yeah :D
2016-11-28T11:29:20 < dongs> by delphinesoftware?
2016-11-28T11:29:21 < dongs> uh
2016-11-28T11:29:21 < jadew> I'm playing it now
2016-11-28T11:29:37 < dongs> whyt the fuck would you buy that, you could just download the dos shit, and there's some opensores player/engine thing that uses the old data
2016-11-28T11:29:40 < dongs> did they do a remake or something?
2016-11-28T11:30:00 < jadew> it's the same game with some improvements, but it looks the same
2016-11-28T11:30:20 < jadew> I wanted to have it in my stem account cuz that game inspired me a lot when I was a kid
2016-11-28T11:31:52 < jadew> steam
2016-11-28T11:41:54 < jadew> you can switch the graphics anywhere with a button, between pixelated and smooth :)
2016-11-28T11:46:54 < jadew> http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/199677810883880592/797C5CECB1CCAB968A946358DD5FD35BC5FCECD7/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95
2016-11-28T11:48:08 < jadew> vs http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/199677810883880816/89FD7A3AC268D8A28D56756F7133D0433D8C9D51/?interpolation=lanczos-none&output-format=jpeg&output-quality=95
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2016-11-28T12:00:48 < stvn> 卐
2016-11-28T12:02:19 < Steffanx> .. Better stop stvn
2016-11-28T12:02:51 < stvn> hi stfn
2016-11-28T12:03:39 < stvn> you're a hard man to find
2016-11-28T12:04:16 < Steffanx> .
2016-11-28T12:05:33 < stvn> let me put your mind at ease brother http://i.imgur.com/rAfLzJf.jpg
2016-11-28T12:08:59 < upgrdman> jadew, is that some SNES game with one guy sucking the other guys dick?
2016-11-28T12:09:03 < upgrdman> looks like it
2016-11-28T12:10:10 < upgrdman> looks like some ginger is sucking him off and reaching for the balls
2016-11-28T12:10:59 < jadew> it was targetted at Japanese audiences too, what do you expect?
2016-11-28T12:11:05 < jadew> http://i.imgur.com/1dS4YBC.gif
2016-11-28T12:11:40 < jadew> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Another_World_(video_game)
2016-11-28T12:11:50 < upgrdman> lol
2016-11-28T12:12:32 < stvn> gah
2016-11-28T12:12:36 < stvn> that fkkin game man
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2016-11-28T12:34:16 < stvn> it a dog life geralt i'll tell you that much
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2016-11-28T12:55:59 < cwek> Hi, I have STM32 F3 Discovery board. I want to program board so It will receive commands from C# (SerialPort) and react on them (like LED ON,...) What Should I look for? I have no idea since I'm new to STM. All I have done is to set up the project (properly, had instructions..) 
2016-11-28T12:58:17 < dongs> well
2016-11-28T12:58:23 < dongs> you could come up with a protocol over the wire
2016-11-28T12:58:27 < dongs> or use something existing
2016-11-28T12:58:30 < dongs> then implement it
2016-11-28T12:58:40 < dongs> i think tarduino had some remote hardware dicking protocol, might wanna just use  that
2016-11-28T12:58:43 < dongs> the name escapes me
2016-11-28T12:59:33 < dongs> http://playground.arduino.cc/Main/InterfacingWithSoftware
2016-11-28T12:59:35 < dongs> something in here.
2016-11-28T12:59:37 < dongs> im sure.
2016-11-28T12:59:57 < cwek> hm, will check out, thanks
2016-11-28T13:00:10 < dongs> its easier to use something existing
2016-11-28T13:00:12 < dongs> than make your own shit
2016-11-28T13:00:27 < dongs> if you can just implement thier api/protocol on STM and call it done
2016-11-28T13:01:01 < karlp> firmata is the common one used in that world.
2016-11-28T13:01:13 < dongs> ah
2016-11-28T13:01:15 < dongs> thats the one
2016-11-28T13:02:12 < karlp> that page is all full of big cloud ui shits
2016-11-28T13:02:22 < dongs> fimata has a brief mention there
2016-11-28T13:02:27 < dongs> but yeah thats hte one i was thinking about.
2016-11-28T13:03:20 < karlp> wow, that page is full is full of all sorts of wild unmaintained projects
2016-11-28T13:03:38 < dongs> lol
2016-11-28T13:03:52 < dongs> isnt that basically = arduino
2016-11-28T13:04:06 < dongs> most of thier "libraries" is shit some random hacker wrote 5 years ago
2016-11-28T13:04:08 < dongs> for a single purpose
2016-11-28T13:04:13 < dongs> and it hasnt been changed or fixed then
2016-11-28T13:06:51 < PaulFertser> cwek: how about modbus?
2016-11-28T13:07:29 < cwek> Not really familiar with any of those
2016-11-28T13:08:08 < cwek> Well I'm using USB to connect to pc,seems like I should mention it before
2016-11-28T13:08:43 < cwek>  and use it as virtual serial port
2016-11-28T13:12:05 < karlp> if you're not already looking at a modbus world, I can't say I'd recommend modbus.
2016-11-28T13:17:57 < PaulFertser> karlp: what would you recommend?
2016-11-28T13:23:43 < dongs> hatebus
2016-11-28T13:25:35 < cwek> hmm
2016-11-28T13:26:23 < cwek> well I got some instruction from coworker again (he's newbie also.. ) 
2016-11-28T13:26:35 < cwek> He told me to look at CDC_Receive_FS function
2016-11-28T13:27:10 < cwek> to copy data to output buffer in no smart way...
2016-11-28T13:33:05 < karlp> PaulFertser: I use modbus, so don't know :)
2016-11-28T13:33:06 < Kliment> I used Firmata a decade and a half ago
2016-11-28T13:33:59 < Kliment> cwek: I'm writing a CDC-based thing right now
2016-11-28T13:34:01 < karlp> for poitn to point, especially usb, just use one of the usb classes
2016-11-28T13:34:25 < karlp> and do app specific until you need more magical independence
2016-11-28T13:35:38 < Kliment> cwek: The Receive_FS function is being called from an interrupt context I believe, so copy the data out of it and return as fast as possible
2016-11-28T13:36:03 < Kliment> cwek: I use a ringbuffer that I copy all incoming into and then parse it in the main loop
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2016-11-28T13:55:33 < karlp> Laurenceb: sigfox, lora, wifi, btle _plus_ lte-nb/m1: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1795343078/fipy-the-worlds-first-5-network-iot-dev-board
2016-11-28T13:55:36 < karlp> just for you!
2016-11-28T14:00:01 < stvn> kickstart a dev board, what a fuckin brilliant plan!
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2016-11-28T14:01:59 < dongs> idiot dev board
2016-11-28T14:02:51 < dongs> oh for fucks sake
2016-11-28T14:02:55 < dongs> python + ESP1488
2016-11-28T14:03:00 < dongs> wont that shit fucking die already.
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2016-11-28T14:08:31 < dongs> 5 FCC violations in one!
2016-11-28T14:09:27 < Steffanx> Who cares?
2016-11-28T14:09:46 < dongs> not dickstarted obv
2016-11-28T14:09:59 < dongs> -d+r
2016-11-28T14:11:19 < karlp> it's the new esp32 apparently.
2016-11-28T14:11:27 < dongs> sure
2016-11-28T14:11:34 < dongs> with same garbage no-name CPU core
2016-11-28T14:11:40 < dongs> made from stolen IP
2016-11-28T14:12:26 < karlp> you reckon espressif got tensilica IP and didn't speak to cadence about it?
2016-11-28T14:12:48 < karlp> I'm not realllly sure that's plausible
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2016-11-28T14:22:41 < stvn> lol
2016-11-28T14:25:58 < sync> that would be pretty ballsy
2016-11-28T14:31:35 < dongs> wishboner
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2016-11-28T14:51:56 < karlp> huh, that weird sunyou economic airmail is only for tiny packets
2016-11-28T14:53:41 < karlp> If I want to buy 5, it's cheaper to buy 2+2+2 
2016-11-28T14:53:49 < karlp> shipping is sillllly
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2016-11-28T14:57:13 < dongs> haha
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2016-11-28T15:18:57 < I-Wish> i finished to write my 2nd game on stm32f7-discovery board: https://youtu.be/wI186SDHcXc?list=PLMi6AKXz-YkTGA3tWHyZTeExVqGiKtOBv
2016-11-28T15:19:33 < I-Wish> a little bit diferent snake game :D
2016-11-28T15:22:43 < dongs> I-Wish: wat.
2016-11-28T15:22:46 < dongs> also is STM making that music
2016-11-28T15:23:12 < I-Wish> nope, its bg music of video
2016-11-28T15:26:24 < zyp> is that a cross between sokoban and snake?
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2016-11-28T15:30:15 < dongs> yeah looked like it for a bit
2016-11-28T15:30:26 < dongs> i hope y oure not quitting your dayjob anytime soon
2016-11-28T15:32:01 < Steffanx> Come on dongs. Stop being an arsehole.
2016-11-28T15:32:17 < Steffanx> Maybe he is a 10 year old kid.
2016-11-28T15:33:37 < Steffanx> I-wish is the display interface slow or is this drawing effect on purpose
2016-11-28T15:33:38 < Ultrasauce> typical ugfx user
2016-11-28T15:33:48 < I-Wish> zyp: yeah, it is a fusion of snake and sokoban
2016-11-28T15:34:06 < Ultrasauce> dammit tectu isnt here
2016-11-28T15:34:20 < jpa-> he'll read the logs
2016-11-28T15:35:04 < dongs> and weep
2016-11-28T15:35:06 < I-Wish> hehe, i'm a total beginner with c language and stm32 board
2016-11-28T15:35:54 < dongs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JVuIZn112A
2016-11-28T15:35:56 < dongs> what the christ
2016-11-28T15:35:59 < dongs> 'frosted'
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2016-11-28T15:49:12 < Steffanx> So where does the drawing/loading effect cone from i-wish? Slow interface or intentional?
2016-11-28T15:49:19 < Steffanx> You use the ltdc?
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2016-11-28T16:00:36 < wanderman> hi Steffanx 
2016-11-28T16:01:05 < danielinux> dongs: hi!
2016-11-28T16:02:50 < danielinux> dongs: I agree esp is pure crap
2016-11-28T16:03:11 < danielinux> also, open sourced only part of their FW, and they claim apache license on all their code
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2016-11-28T16:04:09 < danielinux> I heard that initially they released under GPL, then when someone asked the sources of the .a's, they suddenly changed the license
2016-11-28T16:05:19 < wanderman> as i aware, there is no need to provide source unless any modification to original.
2016-11-28T16:06:19 < danielinux> wanderman: ok, where is the original then. 
2016-11-28T16:06:54 < wanderman> i see, ok.
2016-11-28T16:09:26 < aandrew> I-Wish: that's pretty cool. what are you using for a GUI lib?
2016-11-28T16:12:31 < danielinux> I-Wish: well done... that's very cool
2016-11-28T16:14:21 < danielinux> I-Wish: is there a way to get the sources not from dropbox?
2016-11-28T16:15:45 < I-Wish> emmm, i can send source code to your e-mail, if you want
2016-11-28T16:16:21 < I-Wish> tnx aandrew, danielinux for good words
2016-11-28T16:17:05 < I-Wish> aandrew:  i use uGFX
2016-11-28T16:18:52 < I-Wish> Tnx to Tectu i got stm32f7 board, so.. i try to make some games using ugfx features
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2016-11-28T16:29:27 < dongs> i ahve liek 3 f7-discos
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2016-11-28T16:30:21 < I-Wish> Why so many? :)
2016-11-28T16:31:22 < TheSeven> because he's frying one a day on average? :P
2016-11-28T16:31:37 < dongs> donno i think i got 2 of them for frefe
2016-11-28T16:31:39 < dongs> somehow
2016-11-28T16:32:06 < TheSeven> my biggest one is f437/f439 or whatever that is
2016-11-28T16:32:17 < TheSeven> it's been a while since I've used any of them
2016-11-28T16:32:41 < TheSeven> mostly working with F0 chips lately
2016-11-28T16:32:56 < Kliment> Relevant: http://www.metrolyrics.com/no-disco-lyrics-depeche-mode.html
2016-11-28T16:33:42 < Kliment> This song is so much better if it's about the devboards
2016-11-28T16:36:19 < dongs> if I do #define TIMER_PERIOD(usvalue) ((84000000 / (1 / (usvalue)) * 1000000)) can i expect preprocessor to do the right thing
2016-11-28T16:37:41 < dongs> (and -1 in there too)
2016-11-28T16:38:55 < Kliment> dongs: preprocessor will almost certainly not do the right thing, if you mean constant folding
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2016-11-28T16:41:12 < dongs> gonna do 1000000/usvalue instead
2016-11-28T16:42:06 < dongs> works.
2016-11-28T16:42:06 < dongs> k
2016-11-28T16:54:41 < Rob235> https://youtu.be/UbMmhQYoAsM
2016-11-28T16:55:24 < dongs> spamusement
2016-11-28T16:56:46 < Rob235> what will they come up with next
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2016-11-28T16:57:57 < karlp> danielinux: what's "pure crap" with esp devices?
2016-11-28T17:02:49 < karlp> also, they initially released it with no license, and were trying to find how to license it so that people could make both open source and proprietary applications with their sdk, it's much like any other wifi stuff now,
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2016-11-28T17:32:29 < Laurenceb> esp _looks_ pretty hawt
2016-11-28T17:32:43 < Laurenceb> but I doubt some of the specs are real
2016-11-28T17:34:21 < karlp> but if it's still 1/10 the price of others, and has x% worse specs than other _claims_ what's the problem exactly?
2016-11-28T17:34:30 < Laurenceb> good point
2016-11-28T17:34:37 < Laurenceb> pity it has no usb
2016-11-28T17:35:09 < karlp> well, last part had even less and seemed to sell pretty well ;)
2016-11-28T17:37:50 < Laurenceb> https://cdn.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2016/Nov/28/LiveLeak-dot-com-3e3_1480341753-Battle-for-Aleppo-According-to-the-corpo_1480341783.jpg.resized.jpg?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e99818bddf964e40d2d4ec54&ec_rate=230
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2016-11-28T18:00:46 < TheSeven> hm... on f0 timer capture/compare channels, how do interrupt enable and the interrupt flag interact with each other?
2016-11-28T18:01:14 < TheSeven> I guess the "equals" condition is gated with the enable bit, and that sets the flag
2016-11-28T18:01:27 < TheSeven> i.e. clearing the enable wouldn't make an already pending IRQ go away?
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2016-11-28T18:02:23 < TheSeven> hah, the servers threw dongs out! :P
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2016-11-28T18:11:46 < BrainDamage> attnt Laurenceb: https://herox.com/SpacePoop/guidelines
2016-11-28T18:13:25 < Laurenceb> menstrual management systems 
2016-11-28T18:13:26 < Laurenceb> MMS
2016-11-28T18:14:32 < Laurenceb>  Fecal collection rates should be targeted for 75 grams of fecal mass
2016-11-28T18:14:37 < Laurenceb> lulz
2016-11-28T18:15:45 < Laurenceb> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/28/alt-right-online-poison-racist-bigot-sam-harris-milo-yiannopoulos-islamophobia
2016-11-28T18:15:58 < Laurenceb> not sure if troll, starts with Sam Harris
2016-11-28T18:16:14 < Laurenceb> by Anonymous
2016-11-28T18:16:21 < Laurenceb> 4chan confirmed
2016-11-28T18:16:59 < ReadErr> lol
2016-11-28T18:17:34 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/26d5027a3373b64ff2e0898ac336b3920572e8cd3d9699d3aa45d6821c1aed68.png
2016-11-28T18:19:45 < ReadErr> ya seen that on my youtubes
2016-11-28T18:19:48 < ReadErr> never clicked
2016-11-28T18:19:53 < ReadErr> wtf is up with assange bro
2016-11-28T18:20:03 < ReadErr> sounds like its time to sperge storm the castle
2016-11-28T18:20:04 < Laurenceb> ReadErr confirmed as /pol/ack
2016-11-28T18:20:16 < ReadErr> wutm8?
2016-11-28T18:20:25 < Laurenceb> u wut m8
2016-11-28T18:20:35 < ReadErr> he dead?
2016-11-28T18:20:53 < Laurenceb> ReadErr spotted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RBelz8BgX0&gl=GB&hl=en-GB
2016-11-28T18:21:23 < ReadErr> hey can you find me a lower res version
2016-11-28T18:21:27 < ReadErr> this is too high
2016-11-28T18:23:11 < ReadErr> You're viewing YouTube in English (US).
2016-11-28T18:23:11 < ReadErr> Switch to another language:  English (UK) 
2016-11-28T18:23:14 < ReadErr> o.o
2016-11-28T18:24:51 < Laurenceb>  5:40
2016-11-28T18:25:06 < danielinux> karlp: what dongs said about the MPU, plus their shady approach towards open source licensing
2016-11-28T18:25:19 < danielinux> hiding their sources etc.
2016-11-28T18:27:00 < danielinux> they claim their bsp is open source, but then they hide half of it in .a binaries
2016-11-28T18:29:24 < danielinux> I can't even exclude they have hidden malware/backdoors in their firmware. Can you?
2016-11-28T18:30:48 < danielinux> pretty odd they are so popular in the hobbists community, but then again I might be over-estimating the average hackaday post author.
2016-11-28T18:32:37 < karlp> soudnsd like a pretty ordinary BSP to have blobs for drivers to me.  not like TI or Nordic or any "western" companies are any better with the rf portions of their chips
2016-11-28T18:33:12 < danielinux> well at least they don't try to market themselves as open-source
2016-11-28T18:33:29 < karlp> show me espressif claiming open source?
2016-11-28T18:33:44 < karlp> they cleared up a lot of their sdk to be MIT licensed instead of proprietary
2016-11-28T18:35:03 < danielinux> https://github.com/espressif/esp32-wifi-lib/blob/master/LICENSE
2016-11-28T18:35:18 < danielinux> not a single line of code available in that repo
2016-11-28T18:35:44 < danielinux> a loophole in the apache license?
2016-11-28T18:35:57 < danielinux> they claim there is nothing wrong with it
2016-11-28T18:36:05 < danielinux> These binary libraries are provided under the same license as the parent esp-idf project - the Apache License 2.0 as provided in the file LICENSE. (The license text refers to this as "Object" form.)
2016-11-28T18:36:25 < karlp> ie, you can include them in your own project without infecting any of your own code
2016-11-28T18:37:32 < karlp> it's also a repo of precompiled binaries, no-one's meant to use it by itself.
2016-11-28T18:39:11 < karlp> anyway, aside from licensing shenanigans, was there something particular that made it "pure crap" ?
2016-11-28T18:39:39 < karlp> I don't see this dongs MPU comment you refer to
2016-11-28T18:40:25 < danielinux> <dongs> (Mon November 28 2016 12:11:34) with same garbage no-name CPU core
2016-11-28T18:40:25 < danielinux> <dongs> (Mon November 28 2016 12:11:40) made from stolen IP
2016-11-28T18:40:43 < danielinux> and anyways... shenanigans? :D
2016-11-28T18:40:54 < danielinux> and lol "infecting"?
2016-11-28T18:41:07 < karlp> oh, so you think espressif really did "steal" tensilica ip from cadence?
2016-11-28T18:41:10 < karlp> and it's no-name?
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2016-11-28T18:41:28 < karlp> you can find license shenanigans anywhere if you decide you want to be grumpy about them.
2016-11-28T18:41:48 < karlp> I think you just decided you hated the part :)
2016-11-28T18:41:53 < danielinux> pretty odd that all this free-software hater/troll vocabulary comes from the maintainer of a popular free software library?
2016-11-28T18:41:58 < danielinux> ;)
2016-11-28T18:42:15 < karlp> how so?
2016-11-28T18:42:21 < danielinux> and yea, I decide to be mad at espressif because they don't have respect for the open source/free software community
2016-11-28T18:42:50 < karlp> they misstepped with their first releases, I think they've been trying hard to do better at it,
2016-11-28T18:43:01 < karlp> I think you're being somewhat unreasonable at simply leaving them branded like that forever
2016-11-28T18:43:29 < karlp> espeically when all the other vendors of wifi silicon do the same or worse.
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2016-11-28T18:45:12 < danielinux> no source available = potential malware or backdoors. That's what I call an "infection". Not GPL.
2016-11-28T18:46:19 < karlp> vaccines cause autism!
2016-11-28T18:46:29 < zyp> yea right, of course they're backdooring your internet of dicks
2016-11-28T18:48:10 < danielinux> karlp: I don't know how that's relevant. I am not doing any anti-scientific claims here. Stuffing intentional malware in binary blobs is not something new to this planet.
2016-11-28T18:50:18 < karlp> sure, but it's a potential, vs the guaranteed infection of gpl
2016-11-28T18:50:35 < karlp> and open source doesn't protect you from backdoored hardware in any way shape or form
2016-11-28T18:50:58 < zyp> open source hardware to the rescue!
2016-11-28T18:51:01 < karlp> and open source didn't protect anyone from allwinner having teh backdoor in the open source either!
2016-11-28T18:51:07 < zyp> better move everything to that new risc-v chip
2016-11-28T18:51:23 < karlp> oh noes, now the fab will backdoor behind our back!
2016-11-28T18:58:33 < Rob235> this good for a cheap thing to check current draw of a usb device? http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-Volt-Current-Voltage-Doctor-Charger-Capacity-Tester-Meter-Power-Bank-UF-/371463743679?hash=item567cf6e8bf:g:X9EAAOSwYHxWHf4L
2016-11-28T18:58:53 < zyp> probably
2016-11-28T18:59:11 < zyp> I got a similar shit, works fine
2016-11-28T18:59:12 < aandrew> I saw some incredible ROP explits for esp8266
2016-11-28T18:59:18 < aandrew> it was fascinating
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2016-11-28T18:59:37 < aandrew> I applaud the tenacity and patience of the people devleoping those exploits
2016-11-28T18:59:53 < zyp> not sure ROP exploits are very relevant to opensourcers
2016-11-28T19:00:38 < Rob235> hmm for a few extra bucks this one looks nicer: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LCD-USB-Detector-Voltmeter-Ammeter-Power-Capacity-Tester-Voltage-Current-Meter-/131939543919?hash=item1eb835ab6f:g:VD4AAOSwNRdX2OzR#rwid
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2016-11-28T19:02:16 < karlp> even that first one looks nicer than the one I have
2016-11-28T19:03:42 < Rob235> I wasn't expecting these to have a Ah reading, thats helpful to let something just run for a while and see how much it used over time
2016-11-28T19:04:16 < Rob235> gonna order the second one
2016-11-28T19:07:13 < Rob235> ehh nevermind, first one :)
2016-11-28T19:09:22 < Rob235> order placed.  I should do some work
2016-11-28T19:11:34 < Laurenceb> https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics/comments/5ewj86/so_nasas_em_drive_paper_is_officially_published/dafqhw2/
2016-11-28T19:19:48 < Steffanx> And still they achieved more than you Laurenceb, they got published.
2016-11-28T19:20:31 < Laurenceb> nice trawling
2016-11-28T19:21:52 < Laurenceb> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26642080
2016-11-28T19:22:01 < aandrew> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/USB-3-0-High-white-4-bit-OLED-detector-Voltage-tester-Current-Meter-Ammeter-power-capacity/32654625216.html
2016-11-28T19:22:04 < aandrew> those are the ones I got
2016-11-28T19:26:24 < Rob235> very similar
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2016-11-28T19:30:59 < Rob235> I like the oled though, oh well too late :)
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2016-11-28T19:37:42 < Laurenceb> https://i.sli.mg/WUl4d4.jpg
2016-11-28T19:40:35 < Steffanx>  Oh i forgot about crappifilly im sorry Laurenceb
2016-11-28T19:41:21 < Laurenceb> still more bullshit than emdrive
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2016-11-28T19:50:10 < Rob235> hmm why would a folder in windows say: Size: 360MB, Size on disk: 2.69GB
2016-11-28T19:50:56 < englishman> a fuckton of tiny files?
2016-11-28T19:52:25 < Rob235> maybe
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2016-11-28T19:54:38 < Rob235> what size blocks are files broken down into?
2016-11-28T19:55:03 < ReadErr> depends 
2016-11-28T19:55:19 < Rob235> on the hard drive or just the OS?
2016-11-28T19:55:27 < ReadErr> filesystem 
2016-11-28T19:55:49 < Rob235> ahh yea I guess thats what I meant instead of os
2016-11-28T19:56:03 < ReadErr> blocksize
2016-11-28T19:56:04 < englishman> fsutil fsinfo ntfsinfo c:
2016-11-28T19:56:06 < Rob235> ntfs?
2016-11-28T19:56:06 < englishman> in admin cmd.exe
2016-11-28T19:56:17 < Rob235> ahh
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2016-11-28T19:57:50 < Rob235> so sector size is what I'm looking for?
2016-11-28T19:57:55 < Rob235> bytes per sector
2016-11-28T19:57:56 < ReadErr> on lunix, too many tiny files you can run out of inodes
2016-11-28T19:58:02 < ReadErr> but not actual diskspace
2016-11-28T19:58:07 < englishman> cluster size
2016-11-28T19:58:09 < englishman> iirc
2016-11-28T19:58:20 < Rob235> 4096
2016-11-28T19:58:40 < englishman> thats default for ntfs up to 16tb
2016-11-28T19:59:18 < Rob235> so 4kB blocks
2016-11-28T20:00:24 < ReadErr> basically
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2016-11-28T20:21:07 < aandrew> (talking about a cheap quadcopter)
2016-11-28T20:21:08 < aandrew> Headless mode: You just need to control the transmitter, the aircraft can be arbitrary direction forward, backward, turn left, turn right, no need to worry about it lose of control because no cephalocaudal direction of chaos
2016-11-28T20:21:12 < aandrew> wtf?
2016-11-28T20:21:46 < englishman> yeah so
2016-11-28T20:21:54 < englishman> basically if you 'pull back'
2016-11-28T20:21:56 < englishman> it goes towards you
2016-11-28T20:22:01 < englishman> regardless of its actual orientation
2016-11-28T20:22:03 < englishman> make sense?
2016-11-28T20:22:13 < englishman> i speak fluent chinglish
2016-11-28T20:22:55 < englishman> some copters do it better than others, all the cheap ones are solely with gyro integration, so their control algo makes the difference. apparently e010 does it well
2016-11-28T20:24:14 < Rob235> I've been planning on adding that mode to my copter since the beginning
2016-11-28T20:24:19 < aandrew> interesting, how does it know which direction you are
2016-11-28T20:24:38 < aandrew> you'd need at least two antennas on the copter, no?
2016-11-28T20:25:02 < aandrew> just looking for a cheap as balls quadcopter with camera
2016-11-28T20:25:05 < ReadErr> its horrible
2016-11-28T20:25:07 < ReadErr> dont use it
2016-11-28T20:25:09 < Rob235> I was going to do it through compass and gps
2016-11-28T20:25:10 < englishman> you point it away from you on startup
2016-11-28T20:25:12 < ReadErr> its a mindfuck
2016-11-28T20:25:13 < englishman> to zero
2016-11-28T20:25:43 < ReadErr> and it will completely fuck you in the longrun
2016-11-28T20:25:52 < englishman> heres an example from the hjic himself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVand2vhFXg
2016-11-28T20:26:29 < englishman> without headfree mode you need a lot of experience to fly like that
2016-11-28T20:26:59 < BrainDamage> aandrew: or there's a magnetometer in both the tx and the quad, and the tx sends it's orientation compared to the local magnetic field
2016-11-28T20:27:14 < englishman> yeah but this is never the case
2016-11-28T20:27:14 < ReadErr> no its based on orientation when you arm
2016-11-28T20:27:27 < ReadErr> and stays that way
2016-11-28T20:28:07 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYkQmQP5ZU8
2016-11-28T20:28:12 < BrainDamage> so it's liable to integral error?
2016-11-28T20:28:16 < englishman> sure
2016-11-28T20:28:24 < englishman> but for <3 minute flight doesnt matter
2016-11-28T20:28:37 < BrainDamage> yeah, just sayan'
2016-11-28T20:28:51 < englishman> gyros are good these days.
2016-11-28T20:28:54 < ReadErr> some you can 'adjust'
2016-11-28T20:28:58 < ReadErr> inflight
2016-11-28T20:29:02 < ReadErr> i think dji lets you
2016-11-28T20:29:03 < aandrew> BrainDamage: oh, that makes a fuck of a lot more sense
2016-11-28T20:29:13 < ReadErr> or some project did
2016-11-28T20:29:27 < aandrew> just transmit the transmitter's heading, assuming that the operator will always be facing the quad
2016-11-28T20:29:41 < ReadErr> only 1 tx has that ability
2016-11-28T20:29:45 < ReadErr> iirc
2016-11-28T20:29:49 < ReadErr> horus
2016-11-28T20:29:56 < englishman> heh rly
2016-11-28T20:29:56 < Rob235> figure out yaw rotation from start heading to current heading, then adjust radio input based on it
2016-11-28T20:30:03 < aandrew> well I suspect whatever tx I get with the quad that has that function will have it in the tx too
2016-11-28T20:30:21 < englishman> that works til you find out magnetometers don't work that well near high switching currents
2016-11-28T20:30:44 < ReadErr> it has a gpu and 6dof
2016-11-28T20:30:47 < ReadErr> gps*
2016-11-28T20:30:53 < englishman> hm
2016-11-28T20:30:56 < englishman> no wonder its $
2016-11-28T20:31:02 < englishman> for china
2016-11-28T20:31:16 < englishman> devo7e 4 lyf
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2016-11-28T20:36:27 < ReadErr> hmmm
2016-11-28T20:36:32 < ReadErr> apparenlty there is a x7d
2016-11-28T20:36:35 < ReadErr> coming
2016-11-28T20:36:39 < ReadErr> small taranis
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2016-11-28T20:38:07 < Rob235> I have the x9d plus
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2016-11-28T21:13:33 < kakimir> jpa-: did you already tell the diff in your custom vesc and original?
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2016-11-28T21:46:05 < kakimir> I'll keep askin
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2016-11-28T22:08:15 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/gif/src/1412704019744.webm
2016-11-28T22:09:49 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/gif/src/1412704461904.webm
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2016-11-28T22:31:37 < kakimir> old old
2016-11-28T22:32:01 < kakimir> when is brittish jihad?
2016-11-28T22:38:32 < kakimir> how to say I'm sorry to say I don't speak german?
2016-11-28T22:41:03 < Kliment> kakimir: In german?
2016-11-28T22:41:28 < Kliment> kakimir: "Ich muss Ihnen leider mitteilen, dass ich kein Deutsch sprechen kann."
2016-11-28T22:41:44 < Kliment> "I must unfortunately inform you that I am unable to speak German"
2016-11-28T22:42:03 < kakimir> and still sound like you do :)
2016-11-28T22:48:49 < kakimir> what is wheelbases in german? radstand is wheelbase but how to make it.. plural?
2016-11-28T22:50:04 < kakimir> with google translate ofc.
2016-11-28T22:50:16 < kakimir> radstände
2016-11-28T22:53:50 < Kliment> Correct
2016-11-28T22:54:12 < kakimir> how to say I'm sorry
2016-11-28T22:54:31 < Kliment> Woohoo, good news for coreboot http://hardenedlinux.org/firmware/2016/11/17/neutralize_ME_firmware_on_sandybridge_and_ivybridge.html
2016-11-28T22:54:38 < kakimir> after I say Ich spreche kein deutch
2016-11-28T22:54:44 < Kliment> kakimir: "Es tut mir Leid."
2016-11-28T22:54:53 < Kliment> kakimir: Literally, "it causes me suffering"
2016-11-28T22:55:11 < kakimir> it's just that I don't trust google translate
2016-11-28T22:56:14 < Thorn> http://www.radiotechnik-web.de/attachments/Image/Denke-daran.jpg
2016-11-28T22:57:05 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: I had to consult my girlfriend, our consensus is it's best translated as "punch in the face face"
2016-11-28T22:57:15 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: As in, what your face looks like after you've been punched
2016-11-28T22:58:38 < kakimir> did I just fail as I did send message like I would to companies in english speaking world?
2016-11-28T22:58:46 < kakimir> hello,
2016-11-28T22:58:52 < kakimir> blaa
2016-11-28T22:58:57 < kakimir> regards x
2016-11-28T23:00:56 < Kliment> kakimir: in German you would use MfG as regards
2016-11-28T23:01:10 < Kliment> kakimir: Mit freundliche Grüße (with friendly greetings)
2016-11-28T23:01:51 < kakimir> should business text be blunt what you thing genrally not just in german?
2016-11-28T23:01:58 < kakimir> *think
2016-11-28T23:02:46 < kakimir> some chinese try to do all the how you doing stuff and I'm usually a bit out of tune with that
2016-11-28T23:02:59 < Kliment> kakimir: Want the best one of those I've seen so far?
2016-11-28T23:03:10 < kakimir> sure
2016-11-28T23:03:13 < Kliment> kakimir: (broken English trying to be very friendly)
2016-11-28T23:03:23 < Kliment> "Hello. I hope you are doing the well."
2016-11-28T23:03:38 < kakimir> :D
2016-11-28T23:03:59  * karlp hates language specific partings like MfG
2016-11-28T23:04:12 < Kliment> kakimir: I'm teaching an SMD assembly course in Helsinki at Disobey.fi
2016-11-28T23:04:13 < karlp> particularly when they're used as generic footers in multilingual mails
2016-11-28T23:04:21 < kakimir> http://www.chesapeakecrafts.com/wishing%20well%20plans%206.jpg
2016-11-28T23:04:40 < Kliment> kakimir: If you know anyone who is interested you can point them that way
2016-11-28T23:04:58 < Kliment> kakimir: It's January 13-14
2016-11-28T23:05:01 < kakimir> you are @helsingi?
2016-11-28T23:05:23 < Kliment> kakimir: Vasta sit tammikuussa ne pari päivää
2016-11-28T23:05:32 < Kliment> kakimir: Muuten saksassa
2016-11-28T23:05:34 < kakimir> paljo pitää maksaa?
2016-11-28T23:05:39 < kakimir> tulen ite
2016-11-28T23:05:48 < Kliment> kakimir: 20+disobey lippu
2016-11-28T23:05:57 < kakimir> ai se on joku semmonen
2016-11-28T23:06:22 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: That doesn't make any sense
2016-11-28T23:06:36 < kakimir> now we know your native LeelooMinai 
2016-11-28T23:06:41 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Something about incomprehensible languages
2016-11-28T23:06:47 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: But I don't get the first part
2016-11-28T23:07:02 < Kliment> Please not something something incomprehensible languages
2016-11-28T23:07:28 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: dziwny is weird?
2016-11-28T23:07:44 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Sounds more like "wild" to me
2016-11-28T23:08:04 < kakimir> Kliment: smd assembly as? hands on or machine?
2016-11-28T23:08:33 < Kliment> kakimir: Manual. It's called "Surface mount electronics assembly for terrified beginners"
2016-11-28T23:08:49 < Kliment> kakimir: Not sure if you qualify for that description
2016-11-28T23:09:40 < Kliment> kakimir: I'm not really the disobey target audience but they asked me and paid my flight so why the hell not
2016-11-28T23:09:56 < kakimir> I do not qualify
2016-11-28T23:10:10 < Kliment> kakimir: Not terrified? Or not beginner? :P
2016-11-28T23:10:55 < kakimir> I'm terrified of all the things I have yet to learn about SMD shiet and don't have clue about what those are
2016-11-28T23:11:01 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Well, a lot of people with no experience think it's scary/impossible to do without special machinery
2016-11-28T23:11:09 < kakimir> but not a beginer
2016-11-28T23:11:30 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: And I show them a ghetto setup with a hotplate and tweezers and they build a board with it and it works!
2016-11-28T23:11:46 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: And suddenly the fear is gone and they go on to build cool stuff
2016-11-28T23:12:07 < Thorn> "this is 0201, this is WLCSP and this is your optometrist appointment"
2016-11-28T23:12:34 < Kliment> Thorn: We go down to 0402 on the course because I bring all equipment with me and 0201s need a microscope
2016-11-28T23:12:54 < Kliment> Thorn: I'm not gonna lug ten microscopes with me to all the corners of the world
2016-11-28T23:13:48 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Heh, reminds me of when I failed the SMD soldering challenge at EMF last summer
2016-11-28T23:13:59 < Kliment> LeelooMinai: Open bag, take out parts, gust of wind...
2016-11-28T23:15:00 < karlp> Kliment: you're just going to be there hawking your smd for throughhol kits right?
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2016-11-28T23:16:27 < Thorn> my ass has recently be saved by these things http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/cLUAAMXQLw1Rzqr1/s-l300.jpg
2016-11-28T23:17:12 < Thorn> +en
2016-11-28T23:17:32 < Spirit532> Thorn, "This is 01005. No, no, it's right there. You have 50 of it on your finger, those aren't breadcrumbs"
2016-11-28T23:17:57 < Kliment> karlp: eh?
2016-11-28T23:18:09 < Thorn> I've mistaken 0805 leds for breadcrumbs before
2016-11-28T23:18:22 < Thorn> 01005 is more like dust or ground pepper
2016-11-28T23:18:24 < Kliment> I once used a 01005
2016-11-28T23:18:36 < kakimir> now I need Steffanx or some other dutchman to translate stuff for a dutch seller
2016-11-28T23:18:43 < BrainDamage> i have lost 2 opamps in 1mm^2 custom _pentagonal_ package once
2016-11-28T23:18:44 < Steffanx> ..
2016-11-28T23:18:44 < Kliment> I needed a pullup between two pins of a 0.5mm pitch QFN
2016-11-28T23:18:54 < BrainDamage> each of those fuckers costed me 20€
2016-11-28T23:19:17 < kakimir> Steffanx: what is wheelbases in dutch?
2016-11-28T23:19:22 < Steffanx> wielbasis
2016-11-28T23:19:39 < kakimir> nice
2016-11-28T23:19:41 < Kliment> So I took out the microscope and put a 01005 resistor between them
2016-11-28T23:19:50 < BrainDamage> yeah, they were high speed opamps with 10GHz GBWP
2016-11-28T23:19:52 < Steffanx> or wielbasissen when you have more than one :P
2016-11-28T23:20:43 < Kliment> karlp: smd for throughole?
2016-11-28T23:21:14 < karlp> Kliment: you missed this winner the other day perhaps: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/881711362/iv-robotics-first-resistorsandcapacitor-adapted-to
2016-11-28T23:21:36 < Kliment> haha wow
2016-11-28T23:22:06 < Kliment> I don't know, I've seen worse
2016-11-28T23:22:21 < kakimir> Steffanx: Ik spreek geen Nederlands. Het spijt me
2016-11-28T23:22:27 < kakimir> ok?
2016-11-28T23:22:40 < Kliment> kakimir: Not bad at all!
2016-11-28T23:22:48 < BrainDamage> i've seen people selling a voltage divider for 5€, advertised as arduino input module to match higher voltages
2016-11-28T23:22:54 < Steffanx> Google did a nice job on that, but i would swap those two sentences.
2016-11-28T23:23:31 < Steffanx> Or maybe a bit less formal: Sorry, ik spreek geen Nederlands.
2016-11-28T23:23:42 < Kliment> karlp: I made a board for the course which has a step-up and a step-down converter
2016-11-28T23:24:03 < Kliment> karlp: And a bunch of practice areas for 0603 and 0402 resistors
2016-11-28T23:24:14 < Kliment> karlp: The hardest part is a .5mm QFN
2016-11-28T23:24:19 < karlp> I was just teasing, I'm sure you're making a serious course :)
2016-11-28T23:24:41 < Kliment> karlp: I am trying to make it as ghetto and low tech as possible
2016-11-28T23:25:11 < Kliment> karlp: Because I don't want people to leave feeling they need to go buy $500 of equipment to plop down some solder paste
2016-11-28T23:25:12 < karlp> LeelooMinai: was that for a kit for someone else?
2016-11-28T23:25:34 < karlp> man, even _I_ can do solder paste reflow
2016-11-28T23:26:06 < Kliment> karlp: I know right, it's the most basic of basic techniques
2016-11-28T23:26:16 < BrainDamage> all the difficulty is the alignment anyway
2016-11-28T23:26:30 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Even there, most parts are very forgiving
2016-11-28T23:26:43 < karlp> all the difficulty is in not fucking up your pcb in the first place :)
2016-11-28T23:26:45 < BrainDamage> yeah, the surface tension will snap things in place
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2016-11-28T23:27:27 < BrainDamage> howrever, i do have some personal experience trying to do it with diy pcb which idn't have a solder mask or uncoated traes
2016-11-28T23:27:27 < kakimir> fot an arc furnace do I need CC or CV source?
2016-11-28T23:27:49 < BrainDamage> and it wasn't exactly pleasant
2016-11-28T23:29:12 < Kliment> Today I explained to a customer what is inside a 9-axis IMU IC
2016-11-28T23:29:23 < Kliment> "What? There are loose parts inside?"
2016-11-28T23:29:38 < sync> kakimir: CC
2016-11-28T23:29:58 < kakimir> you are increadible sync 
2016-11-28T23:30:09 < BrainDamage> Kliment: people think of electronics as "no moving parts"
2016-11-28T23:30:15 < BrainDamage> the you get mems ...
2016-11-28T23:30:20 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Indeed
2016-11-28T23:30:26 < karlp> BrainDamage: yeah, no soldermask pcbs are teh suck
2016-11-28T23:30:42 < karlp> it was kinda nice for some really hacky protos and board adapter shits, but soooo much more tedious to solder
2016-11-28T23:31:07 < Kliment> I only do that sort of stuff with hand-drawn PCBs for art stuff
2016-11-28T23:31:21 < Kliment> The etched look becomes part of the product
2016-11-28T23:31:41 < BrainDamage> i did that ~4-5 years ago, chinese pcb shops were available, but not as diffused
2016-11-28T23:31:51 < Kliment> But I hardly ever use etched boards anymore. I need my vias
2016-11-28T23:31:55 < sync> well, the electronics don't move in mems BrainDamage :P
2016-11-28T23:32:01 < sync> the physics package does tho
2016-11-28T23:32:26 < Kliment> sync: Careful using that phrase
2016-11-28T23:32:27 < BrainDamage> but the whole device is called an electronic chip by the layman
2016-11-28T23:32:49 < Kliment> sync: It's the name for the active components of nuclear bombs
2016-11-28T23:33:19 < BrainDamage> it's ok, this channel probably gets 10-20 flags per day anyway thanks to few users
2016-11-28T23:36:44 < Kliment> kakimir: If you want to come down for the course but aren't interested in the conference I'm sure we can arrange something
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2016-11-28T23:38:12 < sync> Kliment: it is also the name of every other device that primarily uses some physical effect
2016-11-28T23:38:31 < sync> e.g. mems shit, Rb frequency standards and so on
2016-11-28T23:38:58 < Kliment> Sure but those don't get you on watchlists
2016-11-28T23:41:43 < sync> yes, but they contain physics packages
2016-11-28T23:44:51 < kakimir> helsinki winter doesn't really attract me
2016-11-28T23:45:10 < kakimir> all way from northern savonia
2016-11-28T23:45:58 < kakimir> and also I'm always kind of outsider in these hackfests
2016-11-28T23:46:23 < Kliment> kakimir: Same
2016-11-28T23:46:44 < Kliment> kakimir: But a friend asked me and convinced the organisers to pay my flights
2016-11-28T23:47:12 < Kliment> kakimir: I don't really feel in place at the CCC congress either, too much infosec for my taste
2016-11-28T23:47:29 < Kliment> kakimir: But damn, teaching my course there made so many people happy
2016-11-28T23:47:52 < Kliment> kakimir: "winter"
2016-11-28T23:47:58 < BrainDamage> i went to ccc once too and i had the same impression re:infosec
2016-11-28T23:48:10 < BrainDamage> i had my fun trolling people tough
2016-11-28T23:49:21 < Kliment> BrainDamage: I met so many cool people at CCC but none from the mainline infosec groups
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2016-11-28T23:49:34 < karlp> I like the vids from CCC but have zero interest in infosec
2016-11-28T23:49:42 < karlp> it's way sold out this year anyway right?
2016-11-28T23:49:56 < Kliment> The best experiences I had at CCC were jewelry making and experimental food
2016-11-28T23:50:07 < Kliment> karlp: Yes, very very sold out
2016-11-28T23:52:24 < Lux> right, they introduced that invite system this year
2016-11-28T23:52:56 < Lux> I wonder what's gonna happen once the congress center in hamburg closes down for renovation
2016-11-28T23:53:16 < BrainDamage> they'll move place like they did before
2016-11-28T23:53:38 < Lux> problem is there isn't really anything similar size wise iirc
2016-11-28T23:53:44 < Lux> just much larger or smaller
2016-11-28T23:54:42 < Lux> Kliment: are you doing a talk ?
2016-11-28T23:54:51 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mui7NINh1AI Laurenceb 
2016-11-28T23:59:43 < Kliment> Lux: I'm doing a workshop
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2016-11-29T00:02:32 < sync> Lux: not just this year
2016-11-29T00:02:39 < sync> they had it in berlin as well iirc
2016-11-29T00:02:58 < sync> Lux: it is going to move to the exhibition halls next to the CCH
2016-11-29T00:03:00 < Kliment> anyways, I'm off to bed
2016-11-29T00:03:02 < sync> or dortmund
2016-11-29T00:03:42 < sync> Kliment: I think ccc is getting filled with too much non infosec crap nobody needs
2016-11-29T00:04:01 < Kliment> sync: I feel the exact opposite
2016-11-29T00:04:10 < Kliment> sync: I think it's becoming an infosec bubble world
2016-11-29T00:04:20 < sync> wat
2016-11-29T00:04:27 < Lux> Kliment: cool, what kind ?
2016-11-29T00:04:53 < Kliment> Lux: Scroll up for more info. I need to get some sleep
2016-11-29T00:04:59 < Lux> ok
2016-11-29T00:05:19 < Kliment> Lux: About 1 hour back
2016-11-29T00:05:50 < sync> it is absolutely not becoming an infosec bubble, there are a lot of tracks that have nothing to do with it at all
2016-11-29T00:06:16 < Kliment> sync: I know, but there were fewer of those at 32c3 than at 31c3, so I'm worried about the overall direction
2016-11-29T00:06:17 < Lux> smd soldering
2016-11-29T00:06:21 < Lux> ya boring :)
2016-11-29T00:06:25 < Kliment> sync: I hope to be pleasantly surprised this year
2016-11-29T00:06:30 < Lux> or not much more to learn for me
2016-11-29T00:06:40 < Kliment> Lux: "for terrified beginners"
2016-11-29T00:07:05 < Kliment> sync: Anyways, I love the "non infosec crap"
2016-11-29T00:07:13 < Kliment> sync: So I hope it stays
2016-11-29T00:07:19 < Lux> yeah that's pretty cool
2016-11-29T00:07:22 < sync> there is nothing valuable in there
2016-11-29T00:07:31 < sync> or new, most of the times
2016-11-29T00:07:41 < Lux> but interesting people to meet
2016-11-29T00:07:45 < englishman> all the good console hacking talks are at ccc
2016-11-29T00:07:48 < sync> or even original research
2016-11-29T00:08:25 < Kliment> sync: Looking at EMF for contrast there were a whole lot of very much off the wall talks and workshops that definitely fit the hacker spirit even if they were not related to infosec or even tech
2016-11-29T00:08:37 < Kliment> sync: And damn it was a lovely event
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2016-11-29T00:09:49 < Kliment> sync: Who the fuck knew that you could do a workshop on blind navigation
2016-11-29T00:10:06 < Kliment> sync: And it was one of the most awesome experiences ever
2016-11-29T00:10:32 < Kliment> sync: Or suturing
2016-11-29T00:11:02 < sync> those were not main tracks at emf iirc
2016-11-29T00:11:32 < Kliment> sync: Nope, but my point is they were way off the mainstream line but didn't feel out of place
2016-11-29T00:11:44 < Kliment> sync: EMF didn't really have "tracks"
2016-11-29T00:11:53 < sync> yes, but that doesn't mean that they have to go into the actual lineup
2016-11-29T00:12:04 < Kliment> sync: Everything went into the lineup
2016-11-29T00:12:20 < sync> yes emf does that, that's ok
2016-11-29T00:12:21 < Kliment> sync: In fact, EMF sourced the lineup from villages
2016-11-29T00:12:44 < Kliment> sync: Anyways, I enjoyed EMF far more than congress  or camp15
2016-11-29T00:13:00 < sync> camp was awesome
2016-11-29T00:13:07 < Kliment> sync: So I don't want to see it focus more on infosec because I don't give a shit about infosec
2016-11-29T00:13:31 < Kliment> sync: I'm at CCC events to meet people, teach, learn, and experience unexpected things
2016-11-29T00:14:08 < sync> yes, so am I
2016-11-29T00:14:45 < Kliment> In fact, I think congress is far too focused on talks and it's a negative
2016-11-29T00:15:04 < Kliment> Because everything that isn't a talk becomes a second class citizen
2016-11-29T00:15:36 < sync> but I'd rather see more actual original research infosec talks than half baked stuff
2016-11-29T00:16:01 < Kliment> Sure, but it's not like the infosec talks are always good or original either
2016-11-29T00:16:32 < Kliment> Anyway, sleep
2016-11-29T00:16:49 < Kliment> One doesn't exclude the other anyway
2016-11-29T00:16:59 < Kliment> Congress is big (citation needed)
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2016-11-29T00:22:48 < DisruptiveNL> Hi all
2016-11-29T00:23:12 < DisruptiveNL> I am in search of a good OTG circuit for use with the STM32F407
2016-11-29T00:24:59 < karlp> what does "OTG" circuit mean in your defiitions?
2016-11-29T00:25:27 < karlp> Kliment: well talks are the only things saved and broadcast for people who can't go,
2016-11-29T00:25:42 < karlp> so yeah, talks are all that matters, though I hear that the society is awesome
2016-11-29T00:26:53 < DisruptiveNL> https://imagebin.ca/v/33a9M9MUJX3M
2016-11-29T00:27:48 < DisruptiveNL> https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwjh3uDMv8zQAhUhKsAKHRZbC64QFggbMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.st.com%2Fresource%2Fen%2Fuser_manual%2Fcd00289278.pdf&usg=AFQjCNF3mBdKDXm0vOI4vJIsgxm7N_FQnA&sig2=gTIdgsG10NgzYbn6Tt0kvw&bvm=bv.139782543,d.bGs
2016-11-29T00:33:41 < karlp> next time I'm making christmas lights, rember to buy these instead: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/thru-hole-for-winners/32713415710.html
2016-11-29T00:36:30 < englishman> DisruptiveNL: if you want to copypaste something, ST's discovery/nucleo boards sometimes have host/device ports and they provide schematics/gerbs/altium files. you could start there
2016-11-29T00:37:36 < Lux> DisruptiveNL: just use the stm32f4 discovery board schematics
2016-11-29T00:37:47 < Lux> it has usb otg
2016-11-29T00:41:38 < DisruptiveNL> oke I will search 4 it
2016-11-29T00:42:30 < Lux> https://www.google.at/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiMxIX0wszQAhVECywKHZUaC1EQFggbMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.st.com%2Fresource%2Fen%2Fuser_manual%2Fdm00039084.pdf&usg=AFQjCNH_FCJA21K4VtqdUz1gdWwyAZkg2w&sig2=tHtyaUhZw0aHJkU-yIdkxQ&bvm=bv.139782543,d.bGg
2016-11-29T00:46:38 < ReadErr> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LGVKkXtaok
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2016-11-29T00:48:10 < DisruptiveNL> Lux: thanks!! 
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2016-11-29T00:49:46 < englishman> lol ReadErr 
2016-11-29T00:57:22 < karlp> hrmm some of these parts look really good: http://www.hmsemi.com/ but no idea where to get them
2016-11-29T00:57:31 < karlp> not on aliexpress or ebay and sure as hell not on ebay
2016-11-29T00:57:43  * karlp should stop autisming on china cheap parts
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2016-11-29T01:01:28 < sync> well, you can probably contact them via mail karlp :P
2016-11-29T01:01:43 < sync> oh god the page title scrolls
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2016-11-29T01:20:31 < Thorn> https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2016-11/nios-ndd112316.php
2016-11-29T01:20:55 < Thorn> >clock instability of 1.5 parts in a quintillion
2016-11-29T01:29:17 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/e40jEI.png
2016-11-29T01:30:10 < TheSeven> EXTI interrupts can only be edge triggered, right? Level-triggered would be much more convenient for me :/
2016-11-29T01:30:57 < Laurenceb_> triggering intensifies
2016-11-29T01:33:46 < Laurenceb_> yeah
2016-11-29T01:33:50 < TheSeven> it should re-trigger the IRQ as soon as it is cleared/handled
2016-11-29T01:33:58 < Laurenceb_> a new level requires an edge
2016-11-29T01:34:15 < Laurenceb_> and triggering requires an edgelord
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2016-11-29T02:10:06 < upgrdman_> anyone know what black connector is? looks like jst something.  https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0245/8645/products/bmpm2-black-final-bottom-legend_1024x1024.jpg?v=1478559359
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2016-11-29T02:13:05 < aandrew> all these cheap quadcopters have shit fly time
2016-11-29T02:13:12 < aandrew> 150mAh battery 4min runtime 60m charge
2016-11-29T02:13:17 < aandrew> no good for kids
2016-11-29T02:14:48 < aandrew> kind of looks like hirose
2016-11-29T02:14:50 < aandrew> df13 maybe
2016-11-29T02:14:52 < upgrdman> hmm
2016-11-29T02:14:53 < aandrew> what's the pitch on it
2016-11-29T02:14:57 < upgrdman> also looks like molex picoblade
2016-11-29T02:15:09 < upgrdman> aandrew, dunno. mines in the mail.
2016-11-29T02:16:15 < upgrdman> nice
2016-11-29T02:16:23 < upgrdman> wonder if they make a female one, pcb mount
2016-11-29T02:16:35 < upgrdman> usually female would be on wire, but i want it on pcb
2016-11-29T02:17:30 < aandrew> yeah that definitely sounds liek the hirose DF13 I use
2016-11-29T02:17:36 < aandrew> a pain in the ass to crimp
2016-11-29T02:17:44 < aandrew> buy pre-crimped lengths from digikey
2016-11-29T02:17:46 < aandrew> so much nicer
2016-11-29T02:17:53 < aandrew> I can do it, but it's a pain
2016-11-29T02:20:00 < upgrdman> damn. molex doesnt make any female pcb headers for picoblade.
2016-11-29T02:20:17 < upgrdman> anyone know of something that will "work" decent enough as a female pcb-mount picoblade
2016-11-29T02:21:13 < __rob> how are those picoblade connectors to crimp without the tool ? I have literally ordered some 2 pin ones yesterday
2016-11-29T02:21:30 < __rob> hoping it could be done with tweasers
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2016-11-29T02:21:42 < __rob> right
2016-11-29T02:21:44 < upgrdman> crimping with tweezers. sounds smart.
2016-11-29T02:23:04 < aandrew> go get yourself a pair of engineer PA-21 crimpers off amazon
2016-11-29T02:23:20 < aandrew> PA-09 is what I have actually
2016-11-29T02:28:13 < aandrew> just bought XC8-pro from microchip.. I feel dirty
2016-11-29T02:28:14 < englishman> aandrew: just buy a fuckton of batteries
2016-11-29T02:28:18 < englishman> kids are bored in 5min anyway
2016-11-29T02:28:42 < aandrew> yeah I bought 5 batteries and a charger but they're a little bigger (850mAh) than I realized
2016-11-29T02:29:03 < englishman> yikes
2016-11-29T02:29:13 < englishman> if stock is 150mah that probably won't work at all
2016-11-29T02:29:21 < aandrew> yeah
2016-11-29T02:29:21 < englishman> which copturd?
2016-11-29T02:29:51 < aandrew> stock is 350mAh, they're close but not close enough
2016-11-29T02:30:01 < aandrew> no idea what this one was, I'm looking at a new one for the boy
2016-11-29T02:30:09 < aandrew> he's goten good at flying this dumb one
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2016-11-29T02:56:04 < dongs> dji mavic
2016-11-29T02:56:34 < englishman> canadians cant afford that
2016-11-29T02:56:50 < Laurenceb_> Cucknadians
2016-11-29T02:56:58 < Laurenceb_> inb4 Canuck
2016-11-29T02:57:09 < englishman> Laurenceb_: https://i.redd.it/wtiy9j7f870y.jpg
2016-11-29T02:58:24 < Laurenceb_> oh my gawwwddddd
2016-11-29T02:58:28 < dongs> whats the tldr on that one
2016-11-29T02:58:35 < dongs> fidel castro is justin beibeer father?
2016-11-29T02:58:42 < englishman> yes
2016-11-29T02:58:52 < englishman> trudeau jr.
2016-11-29T02:58:55 < Laurenceb_> https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder791/250x250/48593791.jpg
2016-11-29T03:03:55 < Laurenceb_> me realising who the daddy is
2016-11-29T03:03:57 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdTBIQDPZt4
2016-11-29T03:15:42 < upgrdman> TIL there's a probabilistic data structure called like cuckold filter    http://blog.fastforwardlabs.com/post/153566952648/probabilistic-data-structure-showdown-cuckoo
2016-11-29T03:15:53 < upgrdman> close enough at least ;)
2016-11-29T03:19:08 < Laurenceb_> https://media.giphy.com/media/l41YogPMhvtCenmiA/giphy-downsized-large.gif
2016-11-29T03:19:34 < Laurenceb_> ^close enough
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2016-11-29T03:37:24 < Laurenceb_> http://www.centeye.com/
2016-11-29T03:37:31 < Laurenceb_> dey stealing my ideaz
2016-11-29T03:39:19 < Laurenceb_> wait no they didnt wtf
2016-11-29T03:39:21 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YTi8bjbZJ4s
2016-11-29T03:39:27 < Laurenceb_> seems crazy overengineered
2016-11-29T03:41:08 < upgrdman> so cpu's since the 80s or 90s have been able to execute multiple instructions at once (superscaler, SIMD, etc.) with a single core. so what defines a core then, if a core can have multiple ALUs, etc. ? is anything with its own independant memory access a "core" ?
2016-11-29T03:42:00 < aandrew> wow 8 cameras on that thing
2016-11-29T03:42:10 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: core == something thats running a single thread at a time
2016-11-29T03:42:26 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: yeah but they dont explain the modes properly
2016-11-29T03:42:34 < Laurenceb_> like wtf?? laser ranging
2016-11-29T03:43:16 < upgrdman> Laurenceb_, ya but in theory a compiler could interleave instructions from multiple threads onto a single core, no?
2016-11-29T03:43:44 < upgrdman> so in hardware, what separates a core?
2016-11-29T03:43:55 < aandrew> I always wanted a drone I could launch out of a moving car at highway speed and have it be able to come back
2016-11-29T03:43:58 < upgrdman> is the "line drawn in the sand" memory access?
2016-11-29T03:46:13 < aandrew> what is optical flow
2016-11-29T03:47:41 < Laurenceb_> upgrdman: thats hyperthreading
2016-11-29T03:48:06 < Laurenceb_> aandrew: tracking whole image movement
2016-11-29T03:51:55 < ReadErr> does altium 17 seem faster to anyone else?
2016-11-29T03:55:16 < Laurenceb_> in fact I cant even work out what that module does
2016-11-29T03:58:12 < aandrew> haven't used it yet
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2016-11-29T04:26:47 < aandrew> http://www.badbeetles.com/
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2016-11-29T04:44:28 < ohsix> car goes vroom
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2016-11-29T04:47:39 < ohsix> everyone knows you can flash black magic probe on any old board rite
2016-11-29T04:48:38 < Jak_o_Shadows> I mean, I haven't, but yeah, I knew
2016-11-29T04:51:28 < ohsix> Kliment: heh @ ME article, they have to talk about it being able to read files and keys pressed and running applications ... who, exactly, is the audience they're writing for? anything that can do dma can do these things
2016-11-29T04:55:12 < ohsix> https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/014/303/928/992db193e5fac4b8feca2c4af257a233_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1477695330&auto=format&q=92&s=9380bad7661723e26b31b6252aaacd77 huhu
2016-11-29T04:55:41 < ohsix> BrainDamage: who made the pentagonal op amps?
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2016-11-29T05:10:04 < ohsix> aandrew: i was using some mega expensive crimper thing from molex the other day for some shit, it has a weird magnetic sled holder thing
2016-11-29T05:10:44 < ohsix> i dunno why they had the most expensive thing they could find
2016-11-29T05:11:16 < ohsix> the pa-09 looks like it makes more sense lul, even if you had to throw it out from wear a few times in 10 years
2016-11-29T05:13:45 < ohsix> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/molex-llc/0640160201/WM17552-ND/2074098 this thing, i think
2016-11-29T05:15:23 < aandrew> ratcheting crimpers are all fucking expensive
2016-11-29T05:15:26 < aandrew> like unreal expensive
2016-11-29T05:15:45 < ohsix> it made the connections look real good
2016-11-29T05:15:49 < ohsix> i think i only fucked one up
2016-11-29T05:16:27 < ohsix> they'd 'stop' short of one click to open them, then you can click to open
2016-11-29T05:16:42 < ohsix> that magnetic sled is weird, i dunno
2016-11-29T05:16:48 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: i haven't found ratcheting crimpers for DF13 or most molex on ali
2016-11-29T05:16:55 < aandrew> that is cheap
2016-11-29T05:16:57 < Jak_o_Shadows> I BADLY neeed some crimpers for the little dupont typey ones
2016-11-29T05:17:09 < Jak_o_Shadows> I've done maybe 50 in the last 3 days? I should get crimpers
2016-11-29T05:17:15 < ohsix> aandrew: oh yea? i thought 130/150 or whatever was a lot
2016-11-29T05:17:35 < ohsix> i guess 'high end' is probably 600 or something?
2016-11-29T05:19:47 < aandrew> the crimpers on digikey are like $300-$3500 (not a typo)
2016-11-29T05:20:09 < ohsix> hrmpgh
2016-11-29T05:20:15 < ohsix> for these kinds of pins?
2016-11-29T05:20:16 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: yeah, standard type crimpers
2016-11-29T05:20:51 < ohsix> removing the wire was nice with the magnet sled,  btu i think i was using it wrong or something, trying to slide it around to align the pins with the anvil took too much time
2016-11-29T05:21:15 < aandrew> I understand if you're in a panel shop or harness mfg and need a VERY reliable, repeatable crimp... but there's no hobby version
2016-11-29T05:22:08 < aandrew> I've got some really nice crimpers for round pins (think DB connectors)
2016-11-29T05:22:48 < aandrew> also I love bootlace ferrules. I should buy a thousand and crimpers for them
2016-11-29T05:22:53 < aandrew> they're the only way to fly
2016-11-29T05:23:13 < aandrew> yes kind of like that
2016-11-29T05:23:27 < ohsix> http://www.molex.com/pdm_docs/ats/ATS-640160201.pdf
2016-11-29T05:24:00 < ohsix> ooh
2016-11-29T05:24:20 < ohsix> wats the bootlace junk for, something you can't tin with solder or need to protect the shielding?
2016-11-29T05:25:05 < ohsix> hrm heh that pdf has instructiones, i was doing it right
2016-11-29T05:26:10 < aandrew> huh
2016-11-29T05:26:10 < aandrew> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/DuPont-PH2-0-Crimping-Tool-PLIER-SN-01BM-0-08-0-5MMAWG28-22-SCN2-5-SM2/32611940733.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10065_10068_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10060_10061_10062_10056_10055_10037_10054_10059_10032_10099_10078_10079_10077_10073_10097_10100_10096_10070_10052_10050_424_10051,searchweb201603_2&btsid=e03aec86-6466-4029-9d1f-54a71ad417a1
2016-11-29T05:26:12 < ohsix> lul it only has a 30 day warranty
2016-11-29T05:26:21 < aandrew> that looks like it will handle a lot of the ones I use
2016-11-29T05:26:41 < ohsix> i guess they need to cover their ass, but that seems low
2016-11-29T05:27:03 < aandrew> ohsix: bootlace ferrules are a much neater way of finishing wires for insertion into terminals
2016-11-29T05:27:11 < ohsix> aandrew: couldn't you get the cheap hand tool and a bunch of anvils?
2016-11-29T05:27:28 < aandrew> ?
2016-11-29T05:27:49 < ohsix> the crimping tool
2016-11-29T05:27:58 < ohsix> the anvils are all replacable
2016-11-29T05:28:04 < aandrew> you mean the dies?
2016-11-29T05:28:11 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-29T05:28:15 < aandrew> yeah good luck finding other dies that fit the tool
2016-11-29T05:28:17 < aandrew> that's another problem
2016-11-29T05:28:25 < aandrew> I would actually spend $300 on the molex ratcheting tool
2016-11-29T05:28:31 < aandrew> but the dies aren't interchangeable
2016-11-29T05:29:03 < ohsix> oh huh
2016-11-29T05:29:13 < ohsix> yea only part of the 'die' is called an anvil
2016-11-29T05:29:25 < ohsix> the bottom is the anvil, the top is the crimper
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2016-11-29T05:29:47 < ohsix> hm
2016-11-29T05:30:08 < ohsix> well at the place i was working they have two different crimpers, i think both from molex, and they looked interchangeable
2016-11-29T05:30:20 < ReadErr> ohsix: what was you sayin about some memory episode ?
2016-11-29T05:30:22 < ohsix> one was older and had bigger dies
2016-11-29T05:30:32 < ohsix> ReadErr: was affecting
2016-11-29T05:30:52 < ohsix> was reading about it, people didn't even seem to like that one, haha
2016-11-29T05:31:03 < ReadErr> shows pretty trippy amirite
2016-11-29T05:31:13 < ohsix> dunno
2016-11-29T05:31:25 < ReadErr> the ep with the mind replay shit?
2016-11-29T05:31:36 < ohsix> the pig one was really the only 'interesting' / really compelling one so far
2016-11-29T05:31:46 < ReadErr> lol pig fucker
2016-11-29T05:31:55 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-29T05:31:58 < aandrew> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Crimping-pliers-SN-03BM-For-Crimping-of-D-SUB-connectors-XH-PH-1-5-1-25/32616956757.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10065_10068_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10060_10061_10062_10056_10055_10037_10054_10059_10032_10099_10078_10079_10077_10073_10097_10100_10096_10070_10052_10050_424_10051,searchweb201603_2&btsid=e503e393-5021-4fe2-94af-bffb5f9fe289
2016-11-29T05:32:04 < aandrew> that also looks promising
2016-11-29T05:32:09 < ohsix> it was absurd enough but they treated it seriously that the whole tone was really uneasy
2016-11-29T05:32:35 < ohsix> i didn't know why the guy was so worried about fuckign a pig to save someones life tho, i guess the people hating the pm in the show was supposed to be proxy for the audience
2016-11-29T05:32:39 < ohsix> same as the gawkers
2016-11-29T05:33:00 < aandrew> when I worked in power electronics they had gigantic fucking crimpers the size of bolt cutters
2016-11-29T05:33:00 < ohsix> the show was telling you how you felt while they were changing things and manipulating how you feel huhuhu, it was gr8
2016-11-29T05:33:09 < aandrew> if you needed to put a lug on some 550MCM or something
2016-11-29T05:33:19 < aandrew> we also had hydraulic crimpers
2016-11-29T05:33:23 < ReadErr> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piggate
2016-11-29T05:33:30 < ohsix> i remember
2016-11-29T05:33:41 < aandrew> sometimes the lugs were so big you could easily fit your fist in where the wire would go
2016-11-29T05:33:56 < ohsix> huhu wow
2016-11-29T05:34:06 < ohsix> i guess you couldn't solder them or anything else huh?
2016-11-29T05:34:12 < aandrew> no
2016-11-29T05:34:19 < aandrew> crimp is actually a much better fit
2016-11-29T05:34:19 < ohsix> too massive
2016-11-29T05:34:25 < ohsix> ya
2016-11-29T05:34:33 < aandrew> the force makes much better contact than any solder joint
2016-11-29T05:34:34 < aandrew> and besides
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2016-11-29T05:34:37 < ohsix> what was it for?
2016-11-29T05:34:46 < aandrew> when that wire gets HOT (overload or fault condition) you don't want the solder melting
2016-11-29T05:35:25 < ohsix> buckets of blood
2016-11-29T05:35:27 < aandrew> I worked at a place that designed industrial motor controllers
2016-11-29T05:35:45 < aandrew> soft starts, drives, ATL starters, cap bank PF correction, etc.
2016-11-29T05:36:10 < ReadErr> did you see the one w/ the gaming for points shit
2016-11-29T05:36:16 < ohsix> ReadErr: yea
2016-11-29T05:36:29 < aandrew> low (220-1000V) and medium (4160-26kV) voltage stuff
2016-11-29T05:36:30 < ohsix> was a little on the nose
2016-11-29T05:36:36 < ReadErr> typically MMO player
2016-11-29T05:36:49 < ohsix> ehhhh
2016-11-29T05:37:09 < ohsix> they didn't say why they were doing that stuff, just that they couldn't do anything else
2016-11-29T05:37:22 < ohsix> aandrew: nice, friend works at a company like that in washington
2016-11-29T05:37:36 < aandrew> yep it's fun
2016-11-29T05:37:42 < ohsix> big boxes of huge capacitors all over the place
2016-11-29T05:38:30 < ohsix> they buy thousands so the cost for each individual one is low and they're pretty lax with them huhuhu
2016-11-29T05:39:33 < ohsix> oog, didn't think i worked that hard today, but my shoulder, oof
2016-11-29T05:39:57 < ohsix> i need to find a bank
2016-11-29T05:40:02 < ohsix> for 'biz' account
2016-11-29T05:40:49 < ohsix> who are you supposed to talk to to figure all this junk out, a lawyer?
2016-11-29T05:44:23 < ReadErr> establish LLC
2016-11-29T05:59:22 < ohsix> Federal unemployment (FUTA) tax
2016-11-29T05:59:23 < ohsix> lul
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2016-11-29T06:04:14 < ColdKeyboard> So I2C communication works with logic analyzers probes connected to the SCL and SDA, but when I remove them communication fails
2016-11-29T06:04:15 < ColdKeyboard> Any suggestions?
2016-11-29T06:04:28 < ColdKeyboard> I have 4k7 pull-ups and 10ohm from SDA to SCL lines. Speed is ~50KHz
2016-11-29T06:05:32 < ReadErr> 10ohm why
2016-11-29T06:06:00 < ReadErr> its typical for it to fail when adding or removing a probe
2016-11-29T06:06:07 < ReadErr> but if you restart it should work
2016-11-29T06:06:21 < ohsix> eh
2016-11-29T06:06:33 < ohsix> do they have a common ground
2016-11-29T06:07:08 < upgrdman> dat fluid simulation   http://i.imgur.com/WjR6rDS.gifv
2016-11-29T06:07:33 < ColdKeyboard> Thing is with probes it works fine, without them it doesn't work at all.
2016-11-29T06:07:35 < TheSeven> if there's less stray capacitance on SCL than on SDA that might cause trouble
2016-11-29T06:07:37 < aandrew> you find the weirdest shit
2016-11-29T06:07:46 < TheSeven> probes might compensate for that to some degree
2016-11-29T06:08:39 < ColdKeyboard> LeelooMinai Tried 3k3, 4k7 and 12k... same thing
2016-11-29T06:08:49 < ColdKeyboard> I2C clock on logic analyzer looks weir
2016-11-29T06:08:51 < TheSeven> ColdKeyboard: which chip, and how are I2C timings configured?
2016-11-29T06:08:52 < ColdKeyboard> *weird
2016-11-29T06:08:57 < TheSeven> screenshot?
2016-11-29T06:09:20 < ReadErr> how clean is the rise/fall
2016-11-29T06:09:34 < ColdKeyboard> http://i.imgur.com/lkLgPl4.png
2016-11-29T06:09:49 < ReadErr> do you have a scope?
2016-11-29T06:10:06 < ColdKeyboard> I tried lovering clock speed but that doesn't help much :)
2016-11-29T06:10:20 < ReadErr> look at the signal w/ a scope
2016-11-29T06:10:29 < ColdKeyboard> LeelooMinai I know. I need to buy some decent scope but I just moved to another continent so... :)
2016-11-29T06:10:45 < TheSeven> ColdKeyboard: that either is a TON of noise, or a *very* fast (nowhere near 50kHz) clock
2016-11-29T06:12:53 < upgrdman> :D   http://i.imgur.com/gtJBi1N.gifv
2016-11-29T06:14:26 < upgrdman> yes
2016-11-29T06:14:47 < aandrew> jesus
2016-11-29T06:14:51 < aandrew> that's one way to take your prey down
2016-11-29T06:16:40 < ColdKeyboard> LeelooMinai Good point. I'll check that
2016-11-29T06:18:51 < TheSeven> but even with the LA attached (and it supposedly working) there are these fast and seemijngly random clock edges?
2016-11-29T06:19:14 < ohsix> which LA
2016-11-29T06:19:32 < ohsix> not uncommon to have random-ish signal changes wrt. the LA depending on how it is hooked up
2016-11-29T06:26:00 < ohsix> hm for an llc i need a registered person to do legal process junk, and i only have the home address
2016-11-29T06:26:11 < ohsix> so, none of that until later
2016-11-29T06:29:56 < upgrdman> https://i.reddituploads.com/93f672c91d1a4ffcbaa6bb3f5541c44e?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=05a24ac2424c7020e238cca8f22345ca
2016-11-29T06:31:56 < aandrew> ok I think I got upgrdman man beat here:
2016-11-29T06:31:56 < aandrew> http://store.steampowered.com/agecheck/app/469820/?snr=1_7_7_ut1_150_13
2016-11-29T06:32:23 < ohsix> oh eh upgrdman 
2016-11-29T06:32:35 < ohsix> hm hang on i forgot
2016-11-29T06:32:50 < upgrdman> aandrew, lol. i think bro6 linked a youtube video of that game last week
2016-11-29T06:33:02 < ohsix> ah
2016-11-29T06:33:09 < ohsix> upgrdman: you can flash black magic firmware on a bunch of stuff
2016-11-29T06:33:18 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya i know
2016-11-29T06:33:19 < upgrdman> but
2016-11-29T06:33:26 < upgrdman> i wanted a programmer with a UART interface
2016-11-29T06:33:28 < ohsix> aandrew: it's awesome
2016-11-29T06:33:34 < upgrdman> because i want to run it over bluetooth
2016-11-29T06:33:41 < upgrdman> for wireless programming and debugging
2016-11-29T06:33:45 < ohsix> o ic
2016-11-29T06:34:01 < ohsix> yea the uart on the board i'm thinking of is over usb, but i think one of the actual uarts on the thing works too
2016-11-29T06:34:08 < upgrdman> o ok
2016-11-29T06:34:17 < upgrdman> well my BMP is in the mail so i might as well use it
2016-11-29T06:34:25 < ohsix> but generalyl you can stick it on a bunch of stuff
2016-11-29T06:34:26 < ohsix> word
2016-11-29T06:34:29 < upgrdman> they in oregon, fwiw
2016-11-29T06:34:32 < ohsix> i had it on those ebay blue boards
2016-11-29T06:35:08 < ohsix> also cpu 'cores', the branch predictor and out of order stuff is for one instruction stream, the alu is used as an execution unit and there can be any number of them
2016-11-29T06:35:18 < upgrdman> k
2016-11-29T06:35:20 < ohsix> stuff like alus can be shared too
2016-11-29T06:35:45 < ohsix> a core is just a logical thing, it's getting more muddy about what a core actually is over time
2016-11-29T06:35:48 < upgrdman> ya after more thought, it seems logical to think of it in terms of threads like Laurenceb said
2016-11-29T06:36:03 < ohsix> usually a core will have actual cache that's somewhat their own, too
2016-11-29T06:36:31 < ohsix> hyperthreading has multiple instruction stream & branch predictors that schedule other junk for better utilization
2016-11-29T06:37:41 < ohsix> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TLIiY5zF9Q0/TELCZMQeAsI/AAAAAAAAAAU/paRIPS0sPJ0/s1600/intel-core-i7-block-diagram-small.jpg heh a bit simpler if you're just looking at the die :<
2016-11-29T06:37:51 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/4vQIBrP.gifv
2016-11-29T06:46:14 < ohsix> upgrdman: are studded tires b& in california?
2016-11-29T06:46:37 < ohsix> going to visit friend in december, i think, having studded tires would make about 3 hours of the drive less annoying
2016-11-29T06:47:42 < upgrdman> ohsix, dunno. i live where it doesnt snow ever
2016-11-29T06:47:56 < ohsix> yea, that's most of california
2016-11-29T06:48:03 < upgrdman> google says:
2016-11-29T06:48:04 < upgrdman> 2016 Studded Snow Tire Regulations for Passenger Cars
2016-11-29T06:48:04 < upgrdman> State	Permission
2016-11-29T06:48:04 < upgrdman> AK	Permitted September 16 -April 30 north of 60 degrees N October 1 – April 14 south of 60 degrees N
2016-11-29T06:48:04 < upgrdman> AZ	Permitted October 1 – May 1
2016-11-29T06:48:04 < upgrdman> AR	Permitted November 15 – April 15
2016-11-29T06:48:06 < upgrdman> CA	Permitted November 1 – April 30
2016-11-29T06:48:14 < ohsix> huh
2016-11-29T06:48:18 < ohsix> yea it looks similar to oregon
2016-11-29T06:49:46 < ohsix> basically nov to sometime in april
2016-11-29T06:49:50 < ohsix> k kewl
2016-11-29T06:49:59 < ohsix> i forgot california is more strict about a lot of shit
2016-11-29T06:50:06 < ohsix> was just being cautious
2016-11-29T06:50:43 < ohsix> going to fix exhaust manifold tomorrow, hopefully :D though when i was applying penetrating oil on the studs a bit ago, i saw at least one was missing
2016-11-29T06:50:52 < ohsix> having no studs holding it on is a distinct possibility
2016-11-29T06:51:13 < upgrdman> lol  http://www.gifmotion.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/987764651.gif
2016-11-29T06:51:35 < ohsix> it's so weird you can just buy parts
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2016-11-29T06:52:59 < ohsix> hm sweet, replacement kits are cheap anyways
2016-11-29T06:53:54 < ohsix> uno wat else is boss about working on cars, they have special fasteners on most of the body/engine that you don't even need to really align to get them to engage lul
2016-11-29T06:54:02 < ohsix> 'dog point' fasteners
2016-11-29T06:54:15 < stvn> stm32
2016-11-29T06:54:21 < stvn> check
2016-11-29T06:54:24 < ohsix> yes
2016-11-29T06:54:46 < ohsix> studs and nuts
2016-11-29T06:55:05 < ohsix> upgrdman: i'm thinking of asking my pal if he wants to go to LA or something if i meet him in sf
2016-11-29T06:55:12 < ohsix> we kind of did the interesting stuff
2016-11-29T06:55:39 < upgrdman> cool
2016-11-29T06:56:33 < ohsix> bbl
2016-11-29T06:56:49 < ohsix> i got some money to do some stuff
2016-11-29T06:57:09 < ohsix> dunno what yet but i think i should spend it on something enjoyable rather than a new computer or whatever garbage i'd normally buy
2016-11-29T06:59:03 < stvn> buy an stm32 board ohsix 
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2016-11-29T07:08:01 < upgrdman> i feel like some artist/architect thought "how can i make a bridge that is maximally inefficient to cross"   https://www.dezeen.com/2016/10/26/lucky-knot-bridge-red-next-architects-dragon-king-harbour-river-changsha-china/
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2016-11-29T07:18:31 < ReadErr> http://www.wsj.com/articles/cnn-buys-casey-neistats-video-app-beme-1480353128
2016-11-29T07:18:38 < ReadErr> > app nobody uses or cares about
2016-11-29T07:18:44 < ReadErr> > $25mil
2016-11-29T07:22:44 < ReadErr> oh that cunt
2016-11-29T07:22:46 < ReadErr> well you see
2016-11-29T07:22:54 < ReadErr> all this shit still has to be approved
2016-11-29T07:22:58 < englishman> ReadErr: freenas and its 'jails' is pretty kool
2016-11-29T07:23:13 < ReadErr> yea i dont use them much though
2016-11-29T07:23:28 < englishman> syncthing
2016-11-29T07:24:15 < englishman> there isnt really a lot of secure cut+paste tools
2016-11-29T07:24:19 < englishman> but a lot of copy+paste tools
2016-11-29T07:24:46 < englishman> 11 employees, $25m lol
2016-11-29T07:24:48 < englishman> payday
2016-11-29T07:25:41 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: congress still has to approve it
2016-11-29T07:25:47 < ReadErr> syncthing is kewl
2016-11-29T07:26:18 < ReadErr> LeelooMinai: a bunch that dont like trump, yea
2016-11-29T07:26:31 < ReadErr> not full, but they have the majority 
2016-11-29T07:27:07 < ReadErr> the only choice that hes made which everyone seems okay with is defense secretary 
2016-11-29T07:27:26 < ReadErr> but that needs a waiver 
2016-11-29T07:28:44 < ReadErr> but but
2016-11-29T07:28:50 < ReadErr> people wanted an outsider!!!
2016-11-29T07:29:05 < ReadErr> clearly shes the opposite
2016-11-29T07:29:17 < ReadErr> of what is current/desirable 
2016-11-29T07:29:25 < ReadErr> christian schools too
2016-11-29T07:29:27 < ReadErr> what a tard
2016-11-29T07:30:32 < ReadErr> i doubt she will make the cut
2016-11-29T07:30:49 < ReadErr> i dont think anyone supports that decision 
2016-11-29T07:31:02 < ReadErr> yea but now its up to somewhat more intelligent people
2016-11-29T07:31:08 < ReadErr> not retards 
2016-11-29T07:32:13 < ReadErr> well thats how the system works
2016-11-29T07:32:23 < ReadErr> what incentive does congress have to okay all his choices?
2016-11-29T07:33:09 < ohsix> lul http://www.pasternack.com/pages/RF-Microwave-and-Millimeter-Wave-Products/radar-demonstration-kit.html
2016-11-29T07:33:51 < ohsix> ReadErr: neistat quit the memes too
2016-11-29T07:34:01 < ohsix> maybe he knew when he did
2016-11-29T07:35:22 < ohsix> his youtube shit was super popular & tweens were hip to it. he talked about beme all the time, and was in the offices and shit
2016-11-29T07:35:57 < ohsix> lucky he got anything cuz it would have otherwise been dead pretty quick after he stopped
2016-11-29T07:36:42 < ReadErr> oh he got that deal before he stopped im sure
2016-11-29T07:36:45 < ReadErr> its the reason why
2016-11-29T07:36:59 < ReadErr> cnn is going to use him and beme as a marketing vehicle 
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2016-11-29T07:43:28 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Co6pNvd9mc
2016-11-29T07:43:39 < ohsix> more crash course philosophy
2016-11-29T07:44:53 < ohsix> lul 'microwave products digest' is kind of funny
2016-11-29T07:45:02 < ohsix> 99% mini-circuits ads
2016-11-29T07:48:47 < ohsix> hehehehehe article about fedora hax on microsofts azure deployment, and they make an offhand comment about the next 'yum update' ... yum has been a wrapper for a few versions now
2016-11-29T07:49:33 < ohsix> tl;dr you can just read the object store & find other peoples filesystems
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2016-11-29T07:56:40 < ohsix> http://www.theonion.com/graphic/seaworld-employees-place-orcas-plastic-bags-water--51818
2016-11-29T08:00:14 < englishman> http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-rcmp-hops-farm-marijuana-1.3871184
2016-11-29T08:00:26 < englishman> enjoy your jail time ultrasauce
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2016-11-29T08:08:03 < ohsix> lul AvE used vape naysh clip from h3h3 in last video
2016-11-29T08:08:15 < ohsix> <3 ethan & hila
2016-11-29T08:08:15 < upgrdman> ohsix, you're good at finding random info. im looking for a female pcb-mount 4pin molex picoblade connector. normally it's crimped onto wires, but i want pcb mount. any ideas?  http://www.molex.com/molex/products/family?key=picoblade&channel=products&chanName=family&pageTitle=Introduction
2016-11-29T08:08:31 < upgrdman> molex doesnt seem to make them
2016-11-29T08:08:35 < ohsix> molex is my kryptonite
2016-11-29T08:08:46 < upgrdman> i dont see any china clone female pcb-mountable one
2016-11-29T08:08:48 < upgrdman> k
2016-11-29T08:09:02 < ohsix> last time i had to, i found it on digikey & xref'd molex
2016-11-29T08:09:19 < ohsix> then _their_ xref / family had what i was looking for
2016-11-29T08:10:07 < ohsix> why pcb mount, just to avoid jumper wires?
2016-11-29T08:10:28 < upgrdman> ya
2016-11-29T08:10:39 < ohsix> molex & these things are generally in different classes, board to wire,  board to board, wire to board
2016-11-29T08:10:52 < ohsix> there might be matching connector in different category
2016-11-29T08:11:04 < upgrdman> hmm
2016-11-29T08:11:14 < upgrdman> even a 1.25mm pitch female header would work
2016-11-29T08:12:44 < ohsix> will look a bit now, can look more later
2016-11-29T08:13:14 < ohsix> check the pins that go in them, the connector would be pretty different, generally, with fixed pins
2016-11-29T08:15:43 < ohsix> i see a patch cable in your future
2016-11-29T08:15:53 < upgrdman> :/ 
2016-11-29T08:16:11 < upgrdman> fuck it, i guess i could remove the connector and solder a 1.27mm header in its place
2016-11-29T08:16:18 < upgrdman> close enough to work for 4pins
2016-11-29T08:16:48 < ohsix> do they sell cables for it? wat are they for
2016-11-29T08:17:16 < ohsix> you could crimp with solid pins if you had the tools
2016-11-29T08:18:10 < upgrdman> BMP
2016-11-29T08:18:11 < upgrdman> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0245/8645/products/bmpm2-black-final-bottom-legend_1024x1024.jpg?v=1478559359
2016-11-29T08:18:31 < ohsix> right
2016-11-29T08:18:36 < upgrdman> might be easyist for me to piggyback a 4pin 1.27 header on there
2016-11-29T08:18:39 < upgrdman> ya
2016-11-29T08:18:41 < ohsix> what do they expect you to plug in there
2016-11-29T08:18:56 < upgrdman> they give you flying wires for it
2016-11-29T08:19:01 < upgrdman> with a connector on one end
2016-11-29T08:19:12 < ohsix> ah
2016-11-29T08:19:28 < upgrdman> but i want to mount this on a "motherboard" that will make it easy for me to program/debug stm32 over bluetooth
2016-11-29T08:19:29 < ohsix> you could put standard jst on there or something
2016-11-29T08:19:34 < ohsix> right
2016-11-29T08:19:52 < upgrdman> so HC-05 -> BMP -> 6pin stm32disco SWD header
2016-11-29T08:19:55 < ohsix> piggyback is a decent alternative
2016-11-29T08:20:23 < upgrdman> ya i think i'll do that. and it would preserve the original connector too
2016-11-29T08:20:56 < ohsix> orr, orrrrrrrr
2016-11-29T08:21:11 < ohsix> get the ebay blue boards and use them ;D
2016-11-29T08:22:03 < upgrdman> they have bluetooth + black anus probe all in one?
2016-11-29T08:22:10 < ohsix> i'll check when i can if they use the uart
2016-11-29T08:22:20 < ohsix> maybe, but not on the ones i'm thinking of
2016-11-29T08:22:31 < ohsix> it's just an f103 dev board that can run it
2016-11-29T08:23:54 < ohsix> if Rickta59 were here he could tell us!
2016-11-29T08:26:17 < ohsix> https://github.com/RickKimball/blackmagic/blob/jc66_coreboard/src/platforms/jc66_coreboard/platform.h#L42
2016-11-29T08:26:51 < ohsix> hm heh wut
2016-11-29T08:27:25 < jpa-> wuts wut about that?
2016-11-29T08:28:58 < ohsix> does that mean there is uart access on the pins? does the usb cdc acm driver take a detour through them
2016-11-29T08:30:15 < jpa-> IIRC blackmagic shows another usb serial port to PC which you can then connect to target to just have a debug serial port
2016-11-29T08:30:15 < ohsix> i thought when you were using vcp you just had callbacks for rx/tx
2016-11-29T08:30:23 < ohsix> ahhhh right
2016-11-29T08:30:52 < ohsix> upgrdman: rusure that's not what the one you bought is doing?
2016-11-29T08:31:45 < upgrdman> hmm
2016-11-29T08:32:44 < upgrdman> dunno. i'll find out on thursday when it arrives
2016-11-29T08:32:46 < ohsix> jpa-: what i was looking for, and what upgrdman wants to do, is use the bmp via one of the actual uarts, so he can do it over bluetooth
2016-11-29T08:34:36 < ohsix> ah i see, yea, the vcp (the second serial port) on the bmp goes to an actual usart you can connect to the target
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2016-11-29T08:37:31 < ohsix> upgrdman: huhuhuhu, you could get the haxed compiler for the csr chips and make it talk swd and have two com ports ;]
2016-11-29T08:37:36 < ohsix> or. the esp32
2016-11-29T08:37:56 < upgrdman> ya i dont feel *that* motivated yet
2016-11-29T08:38:03 < ohsix> ooo
2016-11-29T08:38:13 < ohsix> scanlime has an swd thing on the 8266
2016-11-29T08:38:22 < upgrdman> link?
2016-11-29T08:38:23 < ohsix> esp32 would just be for bluetoth
2016-11-29T08:38:30 < ohsix> https://github.com/scanlime/esp8266-arm-swd
2016-11-29T08:40:01 < ohsix> :| i wanna do bt junk too, but with the firmware, cuz bt spec is 4500~ pages and i've never found a good angle on learning any of it
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2016-11-29T08:40:56 < ohsix> approximately no one else on earth wants to do that, though, and you get the stack as libraries, if you can get them at all
2016-11-29T08:41:42 < ohsix> https://github.com/bluekitchen/btstack wa-hey
2016-11-29T08:42:14 < ohsix> o ic, dumb license
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2016-11-29T09:22:28 < Thorn> >and scan frequency not less than 400Hz/s
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2016-11-29T09:24:24 < Kliment> I can help a bit with BLE
2016-11-29T09:24:52 < Kliment> Been using the ST BLE module a fair bit now
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2016-11-29T11:44:18 < upgrdman> lol  https://youtu.be/KgsJSGjcU-U?t=55
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2016-11-29T12:33:46 < ReadErr> somehow the little 'watched' shit on my yotubes disappeared 
2016-11-29T12:35:31 < dongs> it turned into red lines
2016-11-29T12:35:33 < dongs> under the videol.
2016-11-29T13:01:41 < dongs> BREAKING: Ax-wielding man storms Charles Street, off Freetown Way in Hull, UK; gunshots fired; man reportedly shot dead by police
2016-11-29T13:01:44 < dongs> RIP Laurenceb 
2016-11-29T13:04:45 < Steffanx> Is it done?
2016-11-29T13:05:41 < dongs> who?
2016-11-29T13:05:47 < dongs> the storm?
2016-11-29T13:05:50 < dongs> i guess now that hes dead
2016-11-29T13:12:54 < Steffanx> No laurenceb is done. Finished. Dead?
2016-11-29T13:25:09 < Steffanx> It was a bad reference to "Is it done Yuri?"
2016-11-29T13:25:24 < karlp> from lock stock?
2016-11-29T13:25:59 < karlp> ohsix: at least bt specs are open :)
2016-11-29T13:39:17 < danielinux> finally
2016-11-29T13:39:18 < danielinux> https://www.pine64.org/?page_id=917
2016-11-29T13:39:23 < danielinux> ESP crap killer
2016-11-29T13:39:27 < danielinux> a real ARM cortex
2016-11-29T13:39:41 < danielinux> with 1MB flash and .5 MB ram
2016-11-29T13:40:11 < danielinux> also, with a decent toolchain & stuff, it'll be possible to RE the closed-source garbage that comes with it
2016-11-29T13:41:24 < jpa-> danielinux: have you used it?
2016-11-29T13:41:26 < karlp> "finally" ? 
2016-11-29T13:41:37 < jpa-> "Development tools: IAR" doesn't sound like "decent toolchain" to me
2016-11-29T13:41:44 < danielinux> jpa-, not yet, ordering a few now
2016-11-29T13:41:49 < dongs> thats 100x pro than gcc
2016-11-29T13:42:18 < karlp> that's the rtl part that's been around for a year or so anyway isn't it?
2016-11-29T13:42:21 < jpa-> otherwise looks nice
2016-11-29T13:42:29 < danielinux> well, it's a cortex-m3 so it won't be hard to have gcc/gdb up
2016-11-29T13:42:35 < danielinux> and hopefully a decent openocd support
2016-11-29T13:42:49 < jpa-> it might be pretty complex to port the wifi stack over
2016-11-29T13:43:04 < karlp> http://www.cnx-software.com/2016/07/28/an-alternative-to-esp8266-realtek-rtl8710-arm-cortex-m3-wifi-iot-modules-sell-for-2-and-up/
2016-11-29T13:44:05 < karlp> also http://www.amebaiot.com/
2016-11-29T13:50:00 < karlp> cypress nee broadcom wiced stuff is cortex too.
2016-11-29T13:55:37 < danielinux> neither cheap nor small
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2016-11-29T15:42:16 < Laurenceb_> http://wnep.com/2016/11/24/indiana-mom-accused-of-injecting-feces-into-sons-iv-during-cancer-treatments/
2016-11-29T15:42:23 < Laurenceb_> Indiana Mum
2016-11-29T15:42:53 < Laurenceb_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zjWXlhxYLY
2016-11-29T15:45:08 < englishman> isnt that PINE shit a dickstarter scam
2016-11-29T15:45:13 < englishman> beep Lux didn't you get one of those
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2016-11-29T15:48:31 < englishman> rtl8710 not on realtek's site
2016-11-29T15:48:50 < Laurenceb_> all kickstarter shit is a scam
2016-11-29T15:49:38 < BrainDamage> so why didn't you kickstart your gas absorption sensor
2016-11-29T15:51:28 < Kliment> BrainDamage: Because it's absorbing too much hot air
2016-11-29T15:53:30 < __rob> anyone know what happens when the RTC wkup interrupt fires in stanby mode when the chip comes back up ?
2016-11-29T15:53:38 < __rob> does it go straight to the handler 
2016-11-29T15:53:41 < karlp> englishman: it's here: http://www.realtek.com.tw/press/newsViewOne.aspx?NewsID=14 but with a "curious" description
2016-11-29T15:53:53 < __rob> cos its coming back up in reset state
2016-11-29T15:53:58 < englishman> 8170 is like 10 years old karlp 
2016-11-29T15:54:10 < jpa-> __rob: isn't resume from standby always by reset?
2016-11-29T15:54:49 < __rob> or WKUP pin/RTC interrupt WKUP interrupt
2016-11-29T15:54:57 < jpa-> "After waking up from Standby mode, program execution restarts in the same way as after a Reset"
2016-11-29T15:55:02 < __rob> yea
2016-11-29T15:55:29 < __rob> but I have to set the wakup interrupt for it to come back up
2016-11-29T15:55:36 < __rob> from RTC wkup
2016-11-29T15:55:42 < jpa-> .. so, no, it won't go into any interrupt handler, because no interrupts are enabled after reset
2016-11-29T15:56:02 < __rob> right, exactly what I though, which made me wonder why I have to set the interrupt atall
2016-11-29T15:56:39 < __rob> but it doesn't come back up without the interrupt enabled
2016-11-29T15:56:49 < jpa-> to tell it whether to react to the event or not
2016-11-29T15:57:14 < jpa-> note that you don't need to enable the interrupt in NVIC
2016-11-29T15:57:21 < jpa-> just in rtc regs
2016-11-29T15:57:30 < jpa-> (and EXTI)
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2016-11-29T15:57:55 < jpa-> (hmm not even EXTI for standby mode)
2016-11-29T15:58:14 < __rob> do you have a document your looking at ?
2016-11-29T15:58:41 < karlp> englishman: doh fail
2016-11-29T15:58:54 < jpa-> RM0090 section "RTC alternate functions to wake up the device from the Standby mode"
2016-11-29T16:00:17 < __rob> also says using an alarm even
2016-11-29T16:00:44 < __rob> presumably the wkup counter is considered an alarm event then
2016-11-29T16:00:47 < __rob> as it does wake
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2016-11-29T16:01:03 < __rob> just a single counter instead of a specific time
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2016-11-29T16:01:43 < __rob> its not entirely clear if there is any difference between the alarms and the wakup counter
2016-11-29T16:01:57 < __rob> apart from the count vs time aspect
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2016-11-29T16:32:15 < dongs> karlp:  February 6, 2006 
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2016-11-29T16:41:38 < karlp> yeah yeah, fucked up searching
2016-11-29T16:42:26 < karlp> it's all on amebaiot though, which is some realtek daughter or something
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2016-11-29T16:55:04 < Lux> englishman: i just got a nextthing chip for free
2016-11-29T16:55:28 < dongs> congrats
2016-11-29T16:55:32 < dongs> you can just circularfile it
2016-11-29T16:57:45 < Lux> it's not that useless
2016-11-29T16:57:59 < Lux> just gets pretty hot
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2016-11-29T17:56:25 < Laurenceb> I'm still here
2016-11-29T17:56:32 < Laurenceb> wasn't we with the axe
2016-11-29T17:59:52 < Laurenceb> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/b2e0f2a0c46b6bf8050aa4d8159e827706221276f3851cca035050792650468c.jpg
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2016-11-29T18:12:45 < Laurenceb> https://static.rgp.io/2016-11-29_bzwgtqq4te.png
2016-11-29T18:13:09 < Laurenceb> https://tracker.habhub.org/#!mt=roadmap&mz=7&qm=All&f=OO7&q=G8KHW_chase;OO*&nyan=1
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2016-11-29T18:25:09 < englishman> Laurenceb: are tehse people all in tiny uk cars
2016-11-29T18:25:14 < englishman> why are there so many people chasing?
2016-11-29T18:26:23 < Laurenceb> cuz they suck even moar than regular irc dwellerz
2016-11-29T18:27:43 < englishman> isnt it dark now
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2016-11-29T18:29:29 < englishman> theyve all stopped at the pub
2016-11-29T18:45:16 < ReadErr> whats new today in the *chan blogesphere 
2016-11-29T18:54:24 < englishman> Once the files are extracted, start the setup.bat program file.
2016-11-29T18:54:24 < englishman> Insert your pre-formatted floppy disk into the floppy drive and press any key.
2016-11-29T18:54:29 < englishman> Reviewed: 28-Oct-2016
2016-11-29T18:54:32 < englishman> lol, pro soft
2016-11-29T18:55:16 < ReadErr> windows pw recovery disk?
2016-11-29T19:01:30 < englishman> heh, no
2016-11-29T19:07:10 < englishman> some old intel cpuid
2016-11-29T19:07:26 < englishman> the cpus are actually 64bit but vmware still wont install
2016-11-29T19:07:31 < englishman> timne to burn a cd
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2016-11-29T19:39:11 < ReadErr> if its for storage
2016-11-29T19:39:19 < ReadErr> maybe just get some atom/pentium board
2016-11-29T19:39:32 < englishman> the other one with only freenas is working well
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2016-11-29T19:39:49 < ReadErr> yea makes sense
2016-11-29T19:39:54 < Rob235> https://imgur.com/WjR6rDS
2016-11-29T19:40:11 < englishman> freenas is pretty neat
2016-11-29T19:40:51 < ReadErr> ur now a pseudo freebsd user
2016-11-29T19:41:01 < englishman> but what do i do when the disks die
2016-11-29T19:41:17 < ReadErr> replace
2016-11-29T19:41:21 < ReadErr> keep a hotspare maybe
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2016-11-29T19:41:23 < englishman> can i hotswap
2016-11-29T19:41:30 < ReadErr> depends on the mobo
2016-11-29T19:41:33 < ReadErr> err chassis
2016-11-29T19:41:38 < ReadErr> controller
2016-11-29T19:41:42 < englishman> well i can physically hotswap
2016-11-29T19:41:48 < englishman> whether the computer likes it or not
2016-11-29T19:42:00 < englishman> so a disk dies
2016-11-29T19:42:03 < englishman> freenas does what?
2016-11-29T19:42:04 < ReadErr> it supports it on the OS tho
2016-11-29T19:42:05 < englishman> does it tell me?
2016-11-29T19:42:09 < ReadErr> if you make it yea
2016-11-29T19:42:13 < ReadErr> or you can put a hot spare in
2016-11-29T19:42:20 < ReadErr> and it willl automatically fail over to that
2016-11-29T19:42:33 < englishman> well i can try yanking one out now
2016-11-29T19:42:35 < englishman> to see what happens
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2016-11-29T19:42:41 < englishman> before pouring good data onto it
2016-11-29T19:42:47 < ReadErr> so you can have 1 hotspare for multiple 'RAIDs'
2016-11-29T19:43:21 < englishman> yeah i have a couple extra with trays that came with them
2016-11-29T19:43:43 < ReadErr> theres a tool that writes and reads back every sector on disk
2016-11-29T19:43:50 < ReadErr> do a SMART scan before
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2016-11-29T19:43:57 < ReadErr> get teh bad sector count
2016-11-29T19:44:03 < ReadErr> then do the full write/read
2016-11-29T19:44:06 < ReadErr> and recheck
2016-11-29T19:44:27 < ReadErr> you can get an idea if they are supershit or not
2016-11-29T19:44:56 < englishman> smart short self test every hour
2016-11-29T19:45:12 < englishman> also long test available
2016-11-29T19:45:29 < ReadErr> no no
2016-11-29T19:45:36 < ReadErr> this is manual cli shit
2016-11-29T19:45:39 < englishman> o
2016-11-29T19:45:51 < ReadErr> its basically going to make bad sectors show up
2016-11-29T19:45:59 < ReadErr> if its going bad
2016-11-29T19:46:16 < englishman> i have that tool in the raid controller too
2016-11-29T19:46:22 < englishman> like memtest
2016-11-29T19:47:27 < ReadErr> badblocks
2016-11-29T19:47:28 < ReadErr> is the name
2016-11-29T19:47:36 < ReadErr> i booted into sysrescuecd 
2016-11-29T19:47:41 < ReadErr> did the smarts
2016-11-29T19:47:45 < ReadErr> badblocked
2016-11-29T19:49:45 < englishman> i guess hd companies arent interested in making reliable disks
2016-11-29T19:49:53 < englishman> just making them as reliable as all the other companies
2016-11-29T19:50:16 < ReadErr> well they are designed to compensate for badblocks
2016-11-29T19:50:25 < ReadErr> its a feature(tm)
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2016-11-29T20:30:56 < Thorn> https://www.reddit.com/r/Cyberpunk/comments/5fibyv/thermometer_neons_on_apartment_complex_in_minsk/
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2016-11-29T20:39:25 < Thorn> https://www.directline.com/fleetlights
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2016-11-29T20:43:38 < Rob235> hah how would that work, they wouldn't last more than 10 min
2016-11-29T20:45:32 < Steffanx> Solar powered.
2016-11-29T20:46:34 < Rob235> haha
2016-11-29T20:55:04 < englishman> a new breed of head and laceration injuries
2016-11-29T20:55:53 < Steffanx> Hello mr englishman, how are the cats.
2016-11-29T20:56:15 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W8XPnZpxbU
2016-11-29T20:56:52 < Steffanx> lol, you really have a video of everything :)
2016-11-29T21:00:34 < englishman> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yev7jANnd4g
2016-11-29T21:00:36 < englishman> fresh kitten video
2016-11-29T21:00:47 < Laurenceb> pussy videos?
2016-11-29T21:02:53 < Steffanx> oh you are alive Laurenceb.
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2016-11-29T21:07:22 < Steffanx> mr D. told us you died Laurenceb.
2016-11-29T21:23:50 < Laurenceb> Russians are turning into muricans
2016-11-29T21:23:52 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d01_1480445605
2016-11-29T21:30:56 < kakimir> nah that's just russians
2016-11-29T21:30:59 < Laurenceb> and UK into russia
2016-11-29T21:31:03 < Laurenceb> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fde_1480438860
2016-11-29T21:33:40 < kakimir> are britts and russians same like.. you know same people but different
2016-11-29T21:38:44 < BrainDamage> you should get a writing career
2016-11-29T21:39:47 < kakimir> like same temper and stuff
2016-11-29T21:39:50 < Rob235> :)
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2016-11-29T21:59:12 < ohsix> lul
2016-11-29T21:59:23 < ohsix> exhaust manifold could barely be described as 'bolted on'
2016-11-29T22:01:57 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/9Lnb1o6.jpg http://i.imgur.com/HfN23d1.jpg
2016-11-29T22:05:21 < Laurenceb> http://www.badscience.net/2006/03/cunt-fuck-wanker/
2016-11-29T22:12:33 < englishman> looks fine to me ohsix 
2016-11-29T22:12:39 < englishman> those studs are probably for a heatshield
2016-11-29T22:18:02 < ohsix> nah that's under the heat shield
2016-11-29T22:18:10 < ohsix> all of them were just flapping in the breeze
2016-11-29T22:18:26 < ohsix> i got replacement gasket and considered doing it today, it's freakin cold tho
2016-11-29T22:18:39 < ohsix> gonna order replacement studs and do it some other time
2016-11-29T22:19:06 < ohsix> the gasket is broken near 4th cyl so it is still loud, but i didn't have to raise my voice to talk over it like i did before
2016-11-29T22:19:27 < ohsix> karlp: yea
2016-11-29T22:20:11 < ohsix> karlp: i think i might have to 'settle' with just a usb dongle and using it via hci instead of getting a demo board with just a bluetooth radio on it
2016-11-29T22:21:20 < ohsix> is dongs filthy frank?
2016-11-29T22:22:18 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsBHaIpVo_4
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2016-11-29T22:32:18 < ohsix> last -clear
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2016-11-29T22:33:44 < ohsix> englishman: wtf witht he puzzle buckets
2016-11-29T22:34:46 < ohsix> https://software.intel.com/sites/default/files/managed/89/92/Intel-Graphics-Architecture-ISA-and-microarchitecture.pdf lul side 4
2016-11-29T22:35:25 < ohsix> slide 5: there's almost no cpu left compared to gpu die area
2016-11-29T22:37:09 < ohsix> upgrdman: this presentation is ~relevant to what a core is, when they start talking about processor generations
2016-11-29T22:37:25 < upgrdman> ohsix, lol i was reading that last night :)
2016-11-29T22:37:33 < upgrdman> i think i found it on r/opengl or r/programming
2016-11-29T22:42:41 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-29T22:42:50 < ohsix> ya the solvespace guy mentioned it on twitter
2016-11-29T22:44:49 < ohsix> must be cool to design that sort of thing
2016-11-29T22:45:09 < ohsix> build a software model and plan it all out and shit, then get some sillycon made so it runs 500 million times faster
2016-11-29T22:48:20 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML_SlKpSrvM&feature=youtu.be&t=796 
2016-11-29T22:48:30 < ohsix> that ram card
2016-11-29T22:48:42 < ohsix> those sip srams were like 30$ each or something back then too
2016-11-29T22:49:11 < ohsix> that's more impressive than the magnetic core memory cards people go nuts for
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2016-11-29T22:50:33 < upgrdman> nice
2016-11-29T22:50:57 < ohsix> there were 4 of them and it only held 13 seconds of vidya
2016-11-29T22:51:48 < upgrdman> so thats like 512MB ?
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2016-11-29T22:59:25 < upgrdman> does altidongs have a way to show a diff between two .PcbProj's? or anyone know of a nice visual PDF diff tool? (i see lots of them, but no idea if they're any good)
2016-11-29T23:00:42 < ReadErr> yea
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2016-11-29T23:00:52 < ReadErr> you right click and theres an option
2016-11-29T23:01:21 < ReadErr> hmm that could be for PcbDoc
2016-11-29T23:01:34 < ReadErr> ya proj, not sure
2016-11-29T23:01:59 < upgrdman> k
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2016-11-29T23:15:28 < englishman> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/a2yyATkd/burn
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2016-11-29T23:52:31 < aandrew> LeelooMinai: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/nano-amp-meter-with-hx711
2016-11-29T23:53:16 < aandrew> might be of some interest to you... HX711 (wheatstone bridge measurement chip), OSS design for a 60mA down to nA measurement device
2016-11-29T23:55:05 < ds2> hmmm nice simple chip
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2016-11-30T00:01:33 < aandrew> yep I bought a bunch for my pressur esensor app but went with a sot23-5 opamp instead
2016-11-30T00:02:41 < Thorn> does that link work for anybody? DAVEforum returns me the homepage
2016-11-30T00:03:09 < qyx> any clue why I cannot use DMA1 to transfer from GPIOA->IDR to memory?
2016-11-30T00:03:19 < Steffanx> it returns me to the main forum page Thorn.
2016-11-30T00:03:20 < qyx> all bus connetions should be ok
2016-11-30T00:03:40 < qyx> with DMA2 it works, but I don't have the right combination of streams/channels
2016-11-30T00:04:12 < Thorn> Dave must have dropped some $100k instrument onto his web server
2016-11-30T00:06:25 < Thorn> found R2COM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYwlzHHo4Yw
2016-11-30T00:06:37 < Steffanx> the url is missing a / at the end Thorn
2016-11-30T00:07:03 < sync> pro wobserveur config
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2016-11-30T00:10:51 < Thorn> ok seems to work
2016-11-30T00:11:22 < Thorn> sync: a ##php grade job
2016-11-30T00:12:54 < kakimir> aandrew: link not workings
2016-11-30T00:12:59 < kakimir> gives front page
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2016-11-30T00:13:38 < aandrew> add a /
2016-11-30T00:13:56 < kakimir> srly..
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2016-11-30T00:14:36 < kakimir> nut I do need a nanoampere shunt measure thingy
2016-11-30T00:14:55 < kakimir> but I have my AD8210 board
2016-11-30T00:14:55 < ohsix> sup
2016-11-30T00:16:59 < kakimir> hmm diodes across measurement shunt
2016-11-30T00:17:12 < kakimir> probably low leakage is preferred
2016-11-30T00:22:44 < aandrew> yeah it's an effective way of keeping the voltage within limits
2016-11-30T00:23:13 < kakimir> widelly used?
2016-11-30T00:24:09 < kakimir> it will probably affect some accuracy but you might be able to compensate with software compensation curves
2016-11-30T00:37:19 < kakimir> I wonder if there is any use to have some busses directly connected to computer peripheral device and have API for the bus
2016-11-30T00:37:36 < kakimir> and then mess with it on computer before doing all the micro stuff
2016-11-30T00:38:47 < kakimir> is there a macro for the biggest value of integer type?
2016-11-30T00:40:22 < Thorn> https://www.tutorialspoint.com/c_standard_library/limits_h.htm
2016-11-30T00:42:55 < kakimir> I use stdint types
2016-11-30T00:43:26 < Thorn> http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/limits/
2016-11-30T00:44:03 < Thorn> std::numeric_limits<uint16_t>::max()
2016-11-30T00:44:12 < kakimir> I don't do c++
2016-11-30T00:44:18 < kakimir> only raw C
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2016-11-30T00:45:35 < kakimir> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/20070374/how-do-i-set-a-uint32-to-its-maximum-value
2016-11-30T00:46:19 < kakimir> is it same to just hex eF eF it?
2016-11-30T00:46:38 < kakimir> and does it matter if it's signed
2016-11-30T00:47:32 < kakimir> I think with hex ef ef it might go negative or something and that is why you should just do it safe
2016-11-30T00:47:49 < Thorn> well if you accept -1 as the largest value then it doesn't
2016-11-30T00:49:03 < Thorn> https://vk.com/nixie_wristwatch
2016-11-30T00:50:00 < kakimir> aandrew: you have an idea how little hx711 offset is?
2016-11-30T00:53:35 < kakimir> what does it mean when hex has ui32 suffix?
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2016-11-30T00:56:00 < kakimir> unsigned int 32
2016-11-30T00:57:17 < kakimir> I don't recall seing such thing wonder what it's called
2016-11-30T00:57:30 < kakimir> hex type suffix?
2016-11-30T00:58:35 < kakimir> oh it's not for hex but all types I guess
2016-11-30T00:59:31 < kakimir> 12345ui32 would initialize uint32_t type value 12345?
2016-11-30T01:00:10 < kakimir> is this visual studio thing or standard?
2016-11-30T01:01:20 < Thorn> where did you see that?
2016-11-30T01:01:25 < ReadErr> http://business.financialpost.com/fp-tech-desk/amazon-employee-jumps-off-company-building-after-sending-email-to-hundreds-of-co-workers-including-ceo-jeff-bezos
2016-11-30T01:03:58 < kakimir> Thorn: I checked define of INT32_MIN
2016-11-30T01:04:31 < kakimir> no UINT32_MAX
2016-11-30T01:05:25 < kakimir> I show you
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2016-11-30T01:06:32 < ReadErr> On January 20, 2016, the Division issued a letter of inquiry (LOI) to HobbyKing
2016-11-30T01:06:32 < ReadErr> directing the company to provide information and documents related to the allegations.4 In response, HobbyKing’s owner stated that HobbyKing is a small company that purportedly would “soon be ceasing operations entirely.”
2016-11-30T01:07:02 < ReadErr> @ dongs 
2016-11-30T01:07:13 < kakimir> Thorn: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKTUdHcE1aLVV6UlU/view?usp=sharing
2016-11-30T01:09:20 < kakimir> see
2016-11-30T01:10:26 < kakimir> I wonder how long it takes to match all the fixedpoints in 32 integerspace with all point options, all sign options and all digit count limit options
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2016-11-30T01:10:52 < kakimir> to standard library generated ones to test my converter
2016-11-30T01:11:22 < kakimir> probably just a few seconds as we are on computers
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2016-11-30T01:33:08 < Laurenceb_> this seems somewhat retarded http://www.centeye.com/technology/vision-chips/
2016-11-30T01:35:30 < Jak_o_Shadows> So a "vision chip" is a CMOS (or CCD) camera with a (hopefully) a fgpa pre-processin git before you send it
2016-11-30T01:39:05 < Laurenceb_> How did 70 Brazilian people die in a plane crash today if the world only has 7 Billion
2016-11-30T01:41:38 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/RcGRYF.png
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2016-11-30T02:15:05 < Laurenceb_> I was just on a train sitting behind two 80+ year old ladies who were testing each other on their knowledge of serial killers
2016-11-30T02:15:23 < Laurenceb_> I'm now wondering if /b/ is actually an OAP forum
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2016-11-30T02:18:37 < Laurenceb_> https://i.sli.mg/uUPvqd.gif
2016-11-30T02:22:57 < Laurenceb_> this channel is dead
2016-11-30T02:23:03  * Laurenceb_ suspects serial killers
2016-11-30T02:25:26 < ReadErr> got droned by hillary
2016-11-30T02:31:26 < Laurenceb_> oh I discovered what happened to Assange
2016-11-30T02:31:42 < Laurenceb_> he has been a naughty boy and been told to sit in the naughty corner
2016-11-30T02:33:09 < Laurenceb_> https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereIsAssange/comments/5fh5gi/has_embassy_cat_just_told_the_world_whereisassange/dak9dw3/
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2016-11-30T02:35:11 < Laurenceb_> unless you believe...
2016-11-30T02:35:15 < Laurenceb_> cool story brother
2016-11-30T02:35:17 < Laurenceb_> https://i.reddituploads.com/22fdda1172a642adaa418652b6f474d0?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=9cc50a5b7f98d35ac1317e8ec6958014
2016-11-30T02:39:37 < stvn> tendies4assange
2016-11-30T02:40:53 < ReadErr> lol
2016-11-30T02:41:44 < ReadErr> that date
2016-11-30T02:41:48 < ReadErr> tho
2016-11-30T02:42:32 < Laurenceb_> tiem to read about emdrive 4 moar dramaz
2016-11-30T02:42:48 < ReadErr> read some Indian science journals
2016-11-30T02:42:59 < ReadErr> magic and science fused
2016-11-30T02:43:58 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-11-30T02:44:07 < Laurenceb_> superpower by 2020
2016-11-30T02:44:16 < ReadErr> maybe they will learn to use toilets
2016-11-30T02:44:28 < ReadErr> super powerful antibiotic resistent 
2016-11-30T02:44:31 < ReadErr> resistant 
2016-11-30T02:50:55 < Laurenceb_> this is nice http://www.iaea.org/inis/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/30/052/30052480.pdf
2016-11-30T02:51:06 < Laurenceb_> practically ardutard level nuclear reactor
2016-11-30T02:51:23 < Laurenceb_> apparently Norht Korea nuclear program is based off that pdf
2016-11-30T02:53:03 < Laurenceb_> lol @ hand winding adaptor on figure 5.8
2016-11-30T02:53:29 < Laurenceb_> in NK they probably just lower peasants into the reactor as control rods
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2016-11-30T03:30:07 < Laurenceb_> https://www.crowdsupply.com/sifive/hifive1
2016-11-30T03:30:56 < dongs> http://www.scientificonversion.com/digital_audio.html lol
2016-11-30T03:31:00 < dongs> ^ attn emeb 
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2016-11-30T03:39:03 < emeb> dongs: isolation transformers for AES/EBU?
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2016-11-30T03:56:13 < dongs> emeb: yeah
2016-11-30T03:56:19 < dongs> but smels audiophoolish
2016-11-30T03:56:25 < dongs> do transformers even have jitter
2016-11-30T03:57:34 < aandrew> no
2016-11-30T04:11:38 < Laurenceb_> how many megabytes of transformer
2016-11-30T04:11:49 < Laurenceb_> transformers in the cloud
2016-11-30T04:11:58 < Laurenceb_> transformers as a service
2016-11-30T04:13:48 < Laurenceb_> sorry I've been reading too many job adverts
2016-11-30T04:13:55 < Laurenceb_>  " * Good grasp of MS Office and in particular PowerPoint"
2016-11-30T04:13:57 < Laurenceb_> top kek
2016-11-30T04:14:40 < ReadErr> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ofc/5897851677.html
2016-11-30T04:17:04 < Laurenceb_> Liaise with ex-husband regarding custody schedule 
2016-11-30T04:17:16 < ohsix> boop
2016-11-30T04:17:24 < Laurenceb_> can manage remote employees
2016-11-30T04:17:35 < ohsix> with rubber hoses
2016-11-30T04:17:40 < Laurenceb_> lul
2016-11-30T04:17:42 < ReadErr> lot of work for 600$ a week
2016-11-30T04:18:33 < Laurenceb_> why am I picturing https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/465885828.jpg
2016-11-30T04:18:48 < ohsix> because it's on your wall
2016-11-30T04:20:05 < ohsix> why is that on your wall
2016-11-30T04:20:15 < ReadErr> its what he jerks it to 
2016-11-30T04:20:17 < ReadErr> obviously
2016-11-30T04:21:27 < ohsix> wtf
2016-11-30T04:21:39 < ohsix> got an old laser printer here, still commands a pretty high price on the intertubes
2016-11-30T04:21:45 < ohsix> (more than 20$)
2016-11-30T04:24:18 < Laurenceb_> cuz it doesnt have watermarking stuff
2016-11-30T04:24:41 < Laurenceb_> so you can print pakemon without getting tracked down by reddit detectives
2016-11-30T04:25:15 < Laurenceb_>  - all the reddit detectives are trying to find printer watermark/stenography stuff on pakemon for some reason
2016-11-30T04:25:30 < Laurenceb_> le reddit detective
2016-11-30T04:26:06 < Laurenceb_> http://i.imgur.com/hxZTlIC.jpg]
2016-11-30T04:26:16 < ReadErr> did they find your mums and take your tendies ?
2016-11-30T04:26:38 < Laurenceb_> http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/26/racist-pakemon-stickers-put-up-around-london-6284255/
2016-11-30T04:27:33 < ohsix> Laurenceb_: lal, not likely, but yea good point
2016-11-30T04:27:40 < Laurenceb_> remeber whan le reddit detectives found the boston bomber
2016-11-30T04:27:48 < Laurenceb_> oh wait
2016-11-30T04:28:03 < ohsix> i remember when they were the boston bombers
2016-11-30T04:28:12 < ohsix> and they were in /r/the_donald
2016-11-30T04:28:19 < ReadErr> if every person circles 1 person, it can't ever fail
2016-11-30T04:28:20 < Laurenceb_> lulwut
2016-11-30T04:28:36 < Laurenceb_> got to admit that guy looks like he bombs shit for lulz
2016-11-30T04:28:48 < ohsix> i do that to toilets
2016-11-30T04:29:17 < ohsix> this laser printer is the first i've seen where you don't have access to the entire paper path somehow
2016-11-30T04:29:22 < Laurenceb_> but he also looks like stereotypical redditer
2016-11-30T04:29:23 < ohsix> need to take the sides off (???)
2016-11-30T04:29:50 < ReadErr> the top yanks off?
2016-11-30T04:29:58 < ohsix> there's no display, one button
2016-11-30T04:30:07 < Laurenceb_>  /r/gonewild  is that way
2016-11-30T04:30:14 < ohsix> there's a door but it is in part of the paper path that looks uninteresting
2016-11-30T04:30:16 < ReadErr> no hands?
2016-11-30T04:30:20 < Laurenceb_> if the top yanks off
2016-11-30T04:30:50 < ohsix> oh huh another reason why it is still $$$, toner doesn't have the drum
2016-11-30T04:31:00 < ohsix> the cartridge doesn't have the drum in it, it's in a carrier
2016-11-30T04:32:24 < ohsix> hm i guess i do have access to entire paper path, the inside is basically hollow without the carrier & cartridge in it
2016-11-30T04:32:58 < ohsix> o snap
2016-11-30T04:33:02 < ohsix> this cartridge has a cap on it too
2016-11-30T04:33:12 < ohsix> no wonder people want it, you can just refill the normal cartridge
2016-11-30T04:33:35 < ohsix> i'd better fix it rather tahn scrap it then :|
2016-11-30T04:40:42 < ohsix> aaand there's nothing wrong, the cartridge is empty
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2016-11-30T04:45:37 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/YRiJo4E.png looool
2016-11-30T04:45:45 < ohsix> it would only be better if it was bigger than my screen
2016-11-30T04:47:56 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/JennyBryan/status/629689223847657472
2016-11-30T04:51:28 < fenugrec> random UI question - with a standard 270deg potentiometer, converting the linear ramp into X discrete positions, how large an X would be reasonable  ? "reasonable" meaning you can easily and consistenly set the pot to a given position
2016-11-30T04:53:13 < fenugrec> I'm thinking 20-40 steps / 5-10 degrees
2016-11-30T04:54:40 < ohsix> https://twitter.com/natazilla/status/803765400143962112
2016-11-30T04:54:53 < ohsix> fenugrec: ehh pots ren't that precise
2016-11-30T04:55:08 < ohsix> it's going to be a lot bigger than you want
2016-11-30T04:55:49 < ohsix> even precise ones have the same mechanical problems with repeatability and lash that leadscrews and stuff do, so if you come from one direction to the same point, it might be pretty accurate, but it depends on that direction
2016-11-30T04:56:14 < fenugrec> my question is more related to the accuracy of the typical hand
2016-11-30T04:56:20 < fenugrec> I know shitty pots are shitty P)
2016-11-30T04:56:23 < ohsix> more than the potentiometer
2016-11-30T04:56:31 < ohsix> 128 maybe
2016-11-30T04:56:49 < ohsix> but eh, this is the kind of thing to just try and see huhuhu
2016-11-30T04:57:00 < fenugrec> i.e. a volume control dial has 10 positions - way too easy. hitting half-way between positions is still pretty easy, so 20 steps. More than that, not so sure
2016-11-30T04:57:09 < ohsix> right
2016-11-30T04:57:30 < ohsix> if you have position feedback then you don't necessarily need to have the thing be repeatable
2016-11-30T04:57:39 < ohsix> er, a display or something as position feedback
2016-11-30T04:57:40 < fenugrec> depends on the dial knob, static/dynamic friction etc of course.
2016-11-30T04:58:01 < fenugrec> indeed, I'm not even considering repeatability
2016-11-30T04:58:24 < ohsix> well, everything extends from that
2016-11-30T04:58:39 < ohsix> even when the numbers are just printed on the case
2016-11-30T04:58:45 < fenugrec> but yea I should rig a test together
2016-11-30T05:00:13 < ohsix> i was just using a stereo earlier that had an encoder and the usability felt really bad, like a quarter turn to go one number higher on the volume
2016-11-30T05:00:38 < fenugrec> haha the other opposite is bad yea
2016-11-30T05:00:48 < ohsix> unrelated, but you can do all sorts of nice stuff with an encoder, like making th enumbers bigger just so you have better feedback (even if the volume doesn't actually change that much)
2016-11-30T05:00:53 < dongs> pro UI advice from o6 itt
2016-11-30T05:00:56 < fenugrec> just did a test, 10 steps per 90deg is very doable
2016-11-30T05:01:56 < ohsix> find the minimum step you can do where it doesn't jump around when it isn't being touched, then halve that ;D
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2016-11-30T05:03:09 < ohsix> why do you want discrete steps?
2016-11-30T05:03:11 < fenugrec> yea I'm a fan of encoders. Favorite is two concentric encoders with a pushbutton - basically a 2 axis, 1 button joystick
2016-11-30T05:03:35 < ohsix> i mean, the result is the same, if you think of them as steps, or if you just account for jitter/precision
2016-11-30T05:03:36 < fenugrec> hard to find / $$, though
2016-11-30T05:04:09 < ohsix> best thing about design is how you can make stuff seem cheap, not the other way around
2016-11-30T05:04:37 < ohsix> eg. vehicles, down market cars, they can make the usability feel cheap, so you want an up market one that 'feels better'
2016-11-30T05:04:51 < ohsix> and all it is is a set of velocity curves on the gas pedal
2016-11-30T05:06:09 < ohsix> repeat for every control
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2016-11-30T05:07:04 < ohsix> shift points in the transmission, how gentle the overdrive gear is
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2016-11-30T05:13:12 < upgrdman> http://i.imgur.com/IWhgzH5.gifv
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2016-11-30T05:16:24 < ohsix> huhu
2016-11-30T05:16:32 < ohsix> there's a h3h3 video where they put shit on his face like that
2016-11-30T05:16:49 < ohsix> apparently that shit grabs all on your pores
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2016-11-30T05:17:34 < ohsix> i gotta find a bank
2016-11-30T05:17:40 < ohsix> nobody does anything free anymore
2016-11-30T05:19:04 < ReadErr> how did I miss this rosie + trump autist drama 
2016-11-30T05:19:10 < ReadErr> fucking Laurenceb_
2016-11-30T05:19:43 < ohsix> new drama?
2016-11-30T05:19:50 < ohsix> yea he's not been on top of shit lately
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2016-11-30T05:20:04 < ReadErr> rosie called trump's youngest son autistic 
2016-11-30T05:20:16 < ReadErr> and i guess they pulled out the lawyers 
2016-11-30T05:20:19 < ReadErr> and had some vids removed 
2016-11-30T05:20:32 < jadew> lol
2016-11-30T05:20:36 < ReadErr> ya
2016-11-30T05:20:37 < jadew> what happened?
2016-11-30T05:20:41 < jadew> who's rosie?
2016-11-30T05:20:42 < ReadErr> TOUGH STANCE ON CYBER BULLYING
2016-11-30T05:20:49 < ReadErr> fat lesbo lady
2016-11-30T05:20:57 < ReadErr> http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/melania-trump-threatens-lawsuit-over-barron-autism-video-w452617
2016-11-30T05:21:57 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-30T05:22:08 < ohsix> fat lesbo lady isn't wrong but seems unfair haha
2016-11-30T05:22:26 < ReadErr> well do you have a better way to tell jadew who she is
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2016-11-30T05:22:35 < ohsix> thinking
2016-11-30T05:22:36 < ReadErr> im all ears
2016-11-30T05:22:48 < ohsix> she was a host on the view for a while
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2016-11-30T05:23:00 < ohsix> donald trump takes everything personally
2016-11-30T05:23:02 < ReadErr> yea because men with jobs watch the view
2016-11-30T05:23:05 < ohsix> she just went for it a bit
2016-11-30T05:23:11 < ohsix> heh
2016-11-30T05:23:18 < ohsix> the view is important cuz that's where the drama was
2016-11-30T05:23:31 < ReadErr> this shits like a week old
2016-11-30T05:23:36 < ReadErr> and im just now finding out
2016-11-30T05:23:43 < ReadErr> Laurenceb: you will be punished 
2016-11-30T05:23:55 < jadew> I'd like to see the video
2016-11-30T05:24:19 < jadew> why is she doing that chucky smile in all her photos?
2016-11-30T05:24:23 < ReadErr> but somethings up with his kid
2016-11-30T05:24:27 < ReadErr> idk what
2016-11-30T05:24:36 < ohsix> rosie o'donnell is kind of legit
2016-11-30T05:24:47 < ohsix> don't know enough to really defend, so i'll leave that as sufficient
2016-11-30T05:25:25 < ohsix> lul in all of the reporting people are saying it is false
2016-11-30T05:25:31 < ohsix> that isn't very legit
2016-11-30T05:25:40 < ohsix> nto 'melania is suing and asserting it is false'
2016-11-30T05:26:07 < ohsix> The guy behind the video now says, "It was incredibly irresponsible of me to diagnose Barron Trump using a selection of misleading videos. I falsely correlated him trying to stay awake and occasionally doing quirky things, with him suffering from autism."
2016-11-30T05:26:11 < ohsix> hahaha
2016-11-30T05:26:31 < ReadErr> yea forced appLOLogy
2016-11-30T05:26:33 < ohsix> that guy folded super quick
2016-11-30T05:26:53 < jadew> ok, saw the video, saw the tweet
2016-11-30T05:26:55 < jadew> she's a cunt
2016-11-30T05:27:12 < ohsix> i guess he had another lawyer that was smart that said they're litigious assholes and would keep it up just to ruin him
2016-11-30T05:27:13 < jadew> that's the video from the election night, when the guy was super tired
2016-11-30T05:27:25 < jadew> I remember actually pointing it out
2016-11-30T05:27:34 < ohsix> Melania Trump: Rosie a 'Bully' for Sharing Barron 'Autism' Video
2016-11-30T05:27:35 < ohsix> www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/.../youtube-star-pull-barron-trump-autistic-video/
2016-11-30T05:27:35 < ohsix> 20 hours ago - Future First Lady Melania Trump is taking action to remove a video from the Internet that questions whether her 10-year-old son Barron is ...
2016-11-30T05:27:37 < ohsix> it's true
2016-11-30T05:27:43 < ohsix> you heard it here first
2016-11-30T05:27:44 < ReadErr> funny her platform is cyber bullying
2016-11-30T05:27:57 < ReadErr> poor kid is gon get rekt
2016-11-30T05:27:59 < ohsix> yea, that was funny, is funnier again
2016-11-30T05:28:31 < ohsix> time for twitter drama 'wait, what, barron trump is autistic?' and let people come to you
2016-11-30T05:28:53 < ohsix> Melania Trump appears to have emerged triumphant in her skirmish with a YouTuber
2016-11-30T05:29:02 < ohsix> zero hint of irony
2016-11-30T05:29:34 < ohsix> all the right web sites have all the right outrage
2016-11-30T05:29:51 < jadew> yeah, I think the trumps shouldn't have done anything about it
2016-11-30T05:29:57 < ohsix> http://variety.com/2016/biz/news/rosie-odonnell-barron-trump-autism-1201927401/
2016-11-30T05:29:59 < ohsix> wat
2016-11-30T05:30:37 < ohsix> her daughter was diagnosed with itand the tweet was about potential attention to the issue?
2016-11-30T05:30:58 < jadew> ohsix, bullshit
2016-11-30T05:31:06 < ohsix> who 19:26 < jadew> she's a cunt
2016-11-30T05:31:40 < ohsix> 'x, if so' is a twitter meme
2016-11-30T05:31:53 < ohsix> esp. since election
2016-11-30T05:31:55 < jadew> she did it as a low blow, if not, then perhaps she's autistic
2016-11-30T05:31:58 < ohsix> 'horrific, if true'
2016-11-30T05:32:12 < ohsix> why on earth would she care, outside of having someone in her family that was diagnosed with it
2016-11-30T05:32:44 < jadew> is that rethorical?
2016-11-30T05:32:57 < ohsix> http://www.dailydot.com/unclick/whoa-if-true/
2016-11-30T05:33:13 < ohsix> no, you're assuming bad faith
2016-11-30T05:33:36 < jadew> that's because on the other hand I have retardness
2016-11-30T05:33:39 < ohsix> there is a much simpler explaination for it, rather than she seethes for trump blood and will execute incisive attacks via twitter
2016-11-30T05:34:01 < jadew> ohsix, right, cuz that's unheard of
2016-11-30T05:34:40 < ohsix> you're making me sad
2016-11-30T05:34:58 < dongs> what's everyone's favorite STM32 here
2016-11-30T05:34:58 < jadew> I'm willing to accept your version too
2016-11-30T05:35:09 < ohsix> my nephew is autistic, thoguh i don't know a lot of specifics
2016-11-30T05:35:09 < jadew> but that means that she's stupid
2016-11-30T05:35:18 < ohsix> that means everyones stupid
2016-11-30T05:35:33 < jadew> ohsix, I'm not, I pointed out he's tired during the election night
2016-11-30T05:35:36 < ohsix> look at how we responded when we found out via ReadErr 
2016-11-30T05:35:49 < ohsix> a kid, tired? that's unusual
2016-11-30T05:35:58 < jadew> ohsix, at 3 2m?
2016-11-30T05:36:06 < jadew> *2-3am?
2016-11-30T05:36:15 < ohsix> especially in the AM
2016-11-30T05:36:18 < ohsix> !!!!!!!!!!1111
2016-11-30T05:36:28 < jadew> ok, you're probably trolling me
2016-11-30T05:36:33 < ohsix> nah
2016-11-30T05:36:40 < ohsix> it isn't unusual for a kid to be tired at any time
2016-11-30T05:36:47 < ohsix> i was agreeing in a flippant way
2016-11-30T05:36:58 < ohsix> if they haven't eaten they can check out
2016-11-30T05:37:28 < ohsix> but i don't even understand how her being stupid relates to you point out that he was tired
2016-11-30T05:37:32 < dongs> you're being trolled by hot having o6 on ignore, correct
2016-11-30T05:37:46 < dongs> youre also wasting time
2016-11-30T05:37:49 < dongs> that could be spent doing something else
2016-11-30T05:37:56 < dongs> instead of engaging in autistic discussions
2016-11-30T05:38:03 < jadew> dongs, I'm about to go to bed anyway
2016-11-30T05:38:09 < ohsix> literal discussions about autism this time
2016-11-30T05:38:15 < jadew> ohsix, because everyone can tell he's tired
2016-11-30T05:38:20 < dongs> do you see me talking useless shit in here lately?
2016-11-30T05:38:36 < jadew> if she can't, then perhaps she's the autistic one and/or stupid
2016-11-30T05:38:47 < ohsix> so either she's a vindictive person that's only out there to make accusations about trump and his family, or she's stupid
2016-11-30T05:38:55 < ohsix> she can't what?
2016-11-30T05:38:55 < jadew> yes
2016-11-30T05:39:08 < ohsix> http://www.dailydot.com/unclick/whoa-if-true/
2016-11-30T05:39:26 < ohsix> it doesn't even have to matter if the kid is autistic or not, or if the video is real or not
2016-11-30T05:39:37 < ohsix> the statement made is that if it were true it could bring some high profile visibility to it
2016-11-30T05:39:52 < ohsix> do you disagree?
2016-11-30T05:40:04 < ohsix> if it weren't true than we have all been trolled
2016-11-30T05:40:14 < ohsix> by the youtube guy and melania and the gossip press
2016-11-30T05:40:27 < dongs> there was a "girl" on efnet #winprog like 10 years ago http://pbx.mine.nu/random/jasabeLOL3.jpg
2016-11-30T05:40:36 < dongs> (hint: its a dude)
2016-11-30T05:40:50 < ohsix> note: we only even know, and are currently acting like we care because ReadErr mentioned it
2016-11-30T05:40:56 < ohsix> maybe ReadErr is the bad guy in all of this
2016-11-30T05:41:02 < ReadErr> im horrible
2016-11-30T05:41:05 < ohsix> he knew dude, he knew the whole time!111
2016-11-30T05:41:12 < ohsix> he knew if he said the perfect thing we'd attack eachother
2016-11-30T05:41:18 < ohsix> he's playing multidimensional chess
2016-11-30T05:41:21 < ohsix> and isn't just a cretin
2016-11-30T05:41:47 < dongs> ReadErr: like second crash on that same VM since last time i had to powerdown/fix it
2016-11-30T05:41:50 < dongs> fucking weird
2016-11-30T05:41:53 < dongs> shits been running for yearsa
2016-11-30T05:41:56 < dongs> suddenly shitting itself
2016-11-30T05:42:08 < dongs> nothign changed, either
2016-11-30T05:42:14 < jadew> dongs lol
2016-11-30T05:42:14 < ReadErr> RIP dickscab
2016-11-30T05:42:32 < ReadErr> if its the same VM thats odd
2016-11-30T05:42:40 < ReadErr> if the entire host crash id say hardware
2016-11-30T05:42:42 < ohsix> https://www.google.com/search?q=multi%20dimensional%20chess%20trump
2016-11-30T05:42:46 < ohsix> also
2016-11-30T05:42:50 < ReadErr> not seen it only fuck w/ 1 vm though 
2016-11-30T05:42:53 < dongs> yeah, exactly
2016-11-30T05:43:02 < ohsix> ReadErr only mentioned it at all because Laurenceb usually posts that kind of stuff, and it could be implied he was slacking
2016-11-30T05:43:05 < dongs> other shit's been running for a year + or whenever was last extended pwoer outage
2016-11-30T05:43:19 < ohsix> this was a false flag
2016-11-30T05:43:19 < dongs> 360 days
2016-11-30T05:43:38 < [7]> this is insane
2016-11-30T05:43:45 < ohsix> ReadErr: ask him if it is encoder pls
2016-11-30T05:43:47 < ReadErr> dongs: enable more verbose logging
2016-11-30T05:43:55 < ReadErr> for the guest
2016-11-30T05:43:56 < [7]> this NRF24L01+ module must be transmitting packets before I actually transfer them to it via SPI
2016-11-30T05:44:15 < ohsix> [7]: like preamble/radio management? or having the radio on and ready
2016-11-30T05:44:15 < jadew> [7], one word: lottery!
2016-11-30T05:44:22 < ohsix> it does some stuff for shockburst, you can turn that off
2016-11-30T05:44:38 < [7]> content is just fine, they're just transmitted too early - as in transmitting something must happen in negative time :P
2016-11-30T05:44:59 < ohsix> jadew: FWIW i don't think it would be good to devolve into constantly trying to be ironic or to out-'joke' eachother, i don't want that
2016-11-30T05:45:56 < ReadErr> my goal is to paste 1 link a day that worse than anything Laurenceb post
2016-11-30T05:46:02 < ohsix> even if it is only my fucked up idea of respect, i don't handle it well when someone squanders it :o
2016-11-30T05:46:06 < ReadErr> its a real challenge but hey, its a goal
2016-11-30T05:46:25 < [7]> maybe I'm just too tired to interpret what I'm seeing correctly here, I mean it's almost 5am...
2016-11-30T05:46:36 < ohsix> i'd like to see him talking more period huhuhuhuh, he's not talked a lot since horsejob
2016-11-30T05:46:56 < [7]> but I'm transmitting a series of packets, and they get sent out faster than I actually upload them from what it looks like
2016-11-30T05:46:58 < ohsix> [7]: did you disable shockburst stuff? there's a lot of automation by default, radio timing and shit
2016-11-30T05:47:06 < ReadErr> hes got some speech about launching 'coons 
2016-11-30T05:47:13 < ohsix> it will split them across sub frames and reassemble them
2016-11-30T05:47:17 < ohsix> which is what you might be seeing
2016-11-30T05:47:27 < ReadErr> look like harry potter
2016-11-30T05:47:58 < dongs> what will yo udo there
2016-11-30T05:47:59 < ohsix> i was so busy the last few weeks i don't even know what to do with myself after 5pm
2016-11-30T05:48:02 < dongs> why would y ou quit your job at spacex
2016-11-30T05:48:02 < ohsix> huuhuhuhu
2016-11-30T05:48:27 < [7]> ohsix: no shockburst involved here... transmitting a packet takes 152µs and I upload one every 160µs - yet I receive them 152µs apart, for up to 28 back to back packets (and 28*(160-152) is MUCH bigger than 160)
2016-11-30T05:48:52 < ohsix> [7]: https://devzone.nordicsemi.com/documentation/nrf51/4.3.0/html/group__esb__users__guide.html there's some figures
2016-11-30T05:48:58 < [7]> and definitely bigger than the 130µs startup time
2016-11-30T05:49:05 < ohsix> oic
2016-11-30T05:49:11 < ohsix> k dunno
2016-11-30T05:49:21 < ohsix> haven't actually seen what the radios do when you turn everything off
2016-11-30T05:49:56 < [7]> ohsix: I'm just using it as a dumb packet transmitter/receiver, no auto-ack or anything like that
2016-11-30T05:50:01 < ohsix> word
2016-11-30T05:50:13 < ohsix> i haven't looked at what the receiver does at all actually
2016-11-30T05:50:33 < ohsix> you tell it to listen and it waits for a preamble to sync, then just receives (or not) the frame?
2016-11-30T05:50:45 < ohsix> can't you put a sequence number in the packets to see what is going on
2016-11-30T05:51:42 < ohsix> upgrdman: watching vidya
2016-11-30T05:52:32 < ohsix> how does it get the data, over serial or wut
2016-11-30T05:52:39 < ohsix> nm
2016-11-30T05:52:59 < ohsix> what i wanted to ask, but thought it sounded dumb, is do you just send csv lines and does it figure it out
2016-11-30T05:54:19 < Rob235> you guys ever hear of nuclear diamond batteries?
2016-11-30T05:54:19 < [7]> ohsix: I'm putting transmission timestamps into the packets
2016-11-30T05:54:37 < [7]> and these increase by 160 for every single packet
2016-11-30T05:54:49 < [7]> while the reception timestamps increase by 152/153
2016-11-30T05:55:18 < [7]> 26 packets in a row (can't easily do longer bursts right now without breaking the protocol around it)
2016-11-30T05:55:34 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya
2016-11-30T05:55:49 < ohsix> upgrdman: just got to the point where you mentioned that, i'll shut up now :c
2016-11-30T05:55:51 < upgrdman> you send CSV lines of text
2016-11-30T05:55:57 < upgrdman> cool, lol
2016-11-30T05:56:04 < [7]> the first transmitted packet has some extra delay due to PLL lock
2016-11-30T05:56:09 < upgrdman> there's also a binary mode, but it's not finished yet
2016-11-30T05:56:16 < ohsix> i know from the first video that i'd heard, and i think i even asked then :D
2016-11-30T05:56:19 < [7]> so let's just consider packets 2 through 26
2016-11-30T05:56:46 < [7]> TX time delta between those is exactly 4000µs
2016-11-30T05:56:46 < ohsix> [7]: does clock slop account for that much? either reporting or one side using an rc oscillator
2016-11-30T05:56:54 < upgrdman> i use the binary mode at work and easily do 50k samples per second, charting at 4k60 with my Surface Bro 4
2016-11-30T05:57:11 < ohsix> upgrdman: i might actually be able to use this for something in the future
2016-11-30T05:57:18 < upgrdman> nice
2016-11-30T05:57:26 < ohsix> do you have a panel that can just be one color or the other?
2016-11-30T05:57:33 < [7]> RX time delta is 3810µs
2016-11-30T05:57:40 < ohsix> so i can show green/red, either a boolean or a threshold
2016-11-30T05:57:40 < upgrdman> ohsix, ?
2016-11-30T05:57:44 < upgrdman> o
2016-11-30T05:57:50 < upgrdman> not yet, but planned
2016-11-30T05:57:51 < [7]> which is way more than the 130µs of "buffer" that I should have on there
2016-11-30T05:57:52 < ohsix> i'm thinking of a pass/fail field, while watching othe rsensors
2016-11-30T05:57:54 < ohsix> cool
2016-11-30T05:58:28 < ohsix> i was reading ldr/rtd for a test of a thing, and an accelerometer/gyro, and a logic pin
2016-11-30T05:59:10 < ohsix> was just some scripts for those specific items, but it could just as easily dump the output to a socket or a uart so i can see em all withotu having to run stuff explicitly
2016-11-30T05:59:29 < [7]> clock drift is miniscule, like 2µs or so max
2016-11-30T05:59:33 < ohsix> solid color panel could easily represent 'on the network' or something too; which is time dependent
2016-11-30T06:00:12 < dongs> add a transformer to reduce jitter
2016-11-30T06:00:18 < [7]> I know for a fact that the transmission of the last packet starts 3810µs after the second one, despite their uploads being 4000µs apart
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2016-11-30T06:00:45 < [7]> the only logical conclusion would be that something is blocking the first packet from being sent for at least 200µs
2016-11-30T06:01:26 < ohsix> there's a one or two frame buffer on either side isn't there?
2016-11-30T06:01:53 < ohsix> hm, i guess just on rx with all the shockbutts stuff disabled
2016-11-30T06:02:15 < [7]> also on TX
2016-11-30T06:02:27 < [7]> but I'm *never* sending data to it quicker than it can transmit it out
2016-11-30T06:02:36 < [7]> that buffer shouldn't ever have a chance to fill up
2016-11-30T06:04:16 < ohsix> i have some here
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2016-11-30T06:05:38 < [7]> I'm uploading exactly one packet, then pulling CE high around 130-140µs before the time that the packet is supposed to be transmitted, and the packet arrives exactly at the time that I expect
2016-11-30T06:05:52 < [7]> which nicely matches that 130µs PLL lock time
2016-11-30T06:06:31 < [7]> then, immediately after pulling CE high, I upload the next packet
2016-11-30T06:06:58 < upgrdman> R2COM, how poor are you
2016-11-30T06:07:11 < upgrdman> dont they pay spacex engineering $$$
2016-11-30T06:12:13 < upgrdman> ya im not a salesman so fuck if i know. but for me, i love the weather, and the girls are hot, and there's lots CS/EE going on in so cal
2016-11-30T06:14:51 < upgrdman> but seriously, the weather. when i travel now, it's like, FUCK why do people tolerate shit weather. im so fucking spoiled.
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2016-11-30T06:17:50 < upgrdman> dumb question: the derivate of an angle (in radians) would be Rads/sec. is there a name for the integral of an angle?
2016-11-30T06:17:59 < upgrdman> or the integral of position
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2016-11-30T06:19:45 < ohsix> eh
2016-11-30T06:19:53 < ohsix> i think it would be an integral still
2016-11-30T06:20:00 < ohsix> the thing is you have a ring and not a number line
2016-11-30T06:20:08 < ohsix> the 'shape' of the space is different
2016-11-30T06:20:26 < ohsix> as to an actual answer i dunno enough either
2016-11-30T06:20:53 < ohsix> http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PolarCoordinates.html
2016-11-30T06:21:02 < ohsix> derivative would be a tangent
2016-11-30T06:21:17 < ohsix> upgrdman: ^
2016-11-30T06:22:40 < ohsix> upgrdman: re: telemetry thing, is there a test data source?
2016-11-30T06:22:45 < upgrdman> ya
2016-11-30T06:22:49 < upgrdman> port = Test
2016-11-30T06:22:54 < ohsix> k
2016-11-30T06:22:55 < upgrdman> it shits out 10kSPS
2016-11-30T06:23:03 < ohsix> feeling shamed but actually checking out now
2016-11-30T06:23:03 < upgrdman> so set chart length to like 150000
2016-11-30T06:24:11 < ohsix> 'this type of file can harm your computer, do you want to keep it?' huhu
2016-11-30T06:24:22 < upgrdman> ya chrome does that to me
2016-11-30T06:24:29 < upgrdman> audit my code if you're worried :)
2016-11-30T06:24:50 < upgrdman> or run it in a VM
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2016-11-30T06:26:40 < upgrdman> lol
2016-11-30T06:27:56 < ohsix> would be neat if you could do value,value,value,value-tag,value and have the tag text show at that point, or something similar, so you can correlate it with an event
2016-11-30T06:28:16 < upgrdman> damn, that's a good idea
2016-11-30T06:28:20 < upgrdman> i could use the fuck out of that
2016-11-30T06:29:05 < ohsix> looks nice on loonix
2016-11-30T06:29:24 < upgrdman> o nice, it works in linux?
2016-11-30T06:29:27 < ohsix> ya
2016-11-30T06:29:43 < upgrdman> good. i didnt even have to put any effort into making it cross platform :)
2016-11-30T06:30:10 < ohsix> loll benefitting from java basic value proposition
2016-11-30T06:30:27 < upgrdman> well ya
2016-11-30T06:30:27 < upgrdman> but
2016-11-30T06:30:38 < upgrdman> i wasnt 100% sure about the serial and opengl libs
2016-11-30T06:30:41 < ohsix> i know gl/ui layout is a bit muhh
2016-11-30T06:30:47 < ohsix> oh, that was just the test source
2016-11-30T06:30:52 < ohsix> let me put something together
2016-11-30T06:30:55 < upgrdman> they claim to be cross platform, but i never checked, and we all know how shit happens
2016-11-30T06:30:59 < ohsix> right
2016-11-30T06:31:07 < ohsix> are you using same serial stuff arduino does?
2016-11-30T06:31:32 < upgrdman> well arduino has the Serial lib. but i only ever use arduino in the videos. never in real life
2016-11-30T06:31:35 < upgrdman> the robot is stm32
2016-11-30T06:31:52 < upgrdman> and at work, i have an lpc1768/machXO2 shitting out binary data to the UART
2016-11-30T06:38:20 < englishman> stvn: did you catch asthma yesterday
2016-11-30T06:39:20 < ohsix> wat happen to steef
2016-11-30T06:40:35 < ohsix> upgrdman: the tag thing, you could just use a big negative value or something too, i guess, huhu
2016-11-30T06:40:54 < upgrdman> well a text label would be good
2016-11-30T06:40:57 < ohsix> are you using java parsing for floats or ints, like does NaN parse
2016-11-30T06:41:07 < upgrdman> do you could be like 1,2,3,5-DeadBabies,6,7
2016-11-30T06:41:11 < ohsix> ya
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2016-11-30T06:42:03 < upgrdman> ohsix, ya java for parsing the CSVs:
2016-11-30T06:42:05 < upgrdman> 							String line = scanner.nextLine();
2016-11-30T06:42:05 < upgrdman> 							String[] tokens = line.split(",");
2016-11-30T06:42:05 < upgrdman> 							float[] samples = new float[tokens.length];
2016-11-30T06:42:05 < upgrdman> 							for(int i = 0; i < tokens.length; i++)
2016-11-30T06:42:05 < upgrdman> 								samples[i] = Float.parseFloat(tokens[i]);
2016-11-30T06:42:07 < upgrdman> 							Controller.insertSamples(samples);
2016-11-30T06:42:20 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-30T06:44:03 < ohsix> how do you have log scale for the graph
2016-11-30T06:44:34 < upgrdman> the FFT function returns the y values as Log10
2016-11-30T06:44:46 < upgrdman> so the chart can plot it as if linear
2016-11-30T06:44:53 < upgrdman> and only the tick labels need to imply log
2016-11-30T06:45:06 < ohsix> huhuh @ what javadoc does in eclipse, that's neat; plus if you're 'reading' documentation like that, it is really obvious when it is missing and you can go there and document it
2016-11-30T06:45:16 < upgrdman> ya i love that
2016-11-30T06:46:29 < upgrdman> ohsix, also, in case you didnt know, you can Ctrl-click functions or variables in eclipse to jump to the definition
2016-11-30T06:46:55 < ohsix> and again, as soon as i mention the log thing, i get to the part in the video that talks about generating y values
2016-11-30T06:47:45 < ohsix> heh, i remember using basic and manipulating strings with MID and other stuff
2016-11-30T06:47:58 < ohsix> the java string manipulation stuff reminds me of that, and for whatever reason that's bad
2016-11-30T06:48:06 < ohsix> strings suck
2016-11-30T06:49:20 < ohsix> you didn't start talking about it being drawn out, and people being bored until 53 minutes
2016-11-30T06:49:24 < ohsix> huhu
2016-11-30T06:51:19 < ohsix> viewed like a pro
2016-11-30T06:51:20 < ohsix> not bad
2016-11-30T06:51:36 < ohsix> intelligable speech at 2x playback speed
2016-11-30T06:51:53 < ohsix> intelligible
2016-11-30T06:52:02 < upgrdman> ohsix, lol
2016-11-30T06:52:11 < ohsix> ;]
2016-11-30T06:52:32 < ohsix> hm the crap that i was doing was some shit with dot files and neato/anything not finishing overnight
2016-11-30T06:52:37 < ohsix> how do i shot graphviz
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2016-11-30T06:52:47 < upgrdman> ?
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2016-11-30T06:54:12 < ohsix> i have a .dot file from dnf repograph, i want to view it
2016-11-30T06:54:21 < ohsix> since using dnf repoquery --whatrequires and all that shit sucks balls
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2016-11-30T06:54:42 < ohsix> but if you run neato or anything to lay it out, it uses cpu forever and doesn't finish; have fundamental problem with use
2016-11-30T06:56:29 < ohsix> i think i had this problem before, way back in the day, even with small graphs
2016-11-30T06:59:14 < upgrdman> wuts dnf repograph
2016-11-30T06:59:38 < upgrdman> but uh, right now it can only receive from uart
2016-11-30T06:59:48 < upgrdman> reading from files and from UDP/TCP port is planned
2016-11-30T07:08:07 < ohsix> upgrdman: it's a plugin for dnf that dumps dependencies for the repos into a dot file
2016-11-30T07:08:28 < ohsix> sorry for abrupt change of subject D:
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2016-11-30T07:08:52 < ohsix> was hoping there was a graphviz wizard (literally after i finished video i checked tabs to see what i was doing, it was graphviz)
2016-11-30T07:09:11 < ohsix> [7]: if you find out something abotu what was happening be sure to mention it huhu
2016-11-30T07:09:50 < ohsix> i wanted to do a thing with a little voice band codec and sending speech over them, but i haven't got to it
2016-11-30T07:10:03 < ohsix> dumb intercom (or with the esp8266 which could do it self contained)
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2016-11-30T07:15:24 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wewAC5X_CZ8 heh
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2016-11-30T07:25:19 < upgrdman> fuck. just ordered some batteries from hobbyking 2 days ago. and now a different size battery of mine is shitting the bed and needs to be replaced.
2016-11-30T07:25:45 < upgrdman> 7.4V 650mAh LiPo is holding like 80mAh now :(
2016-11-30T07:26:01 < upgrdman> i guess 6 years is a decent lifespan, even if rarely used 
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2016-11-30T07:29:25 < zyp> I certainly hope my car battery will have a longer lifespan than that :p
2016-11-30T07:31:27 < englishman> https://youtu.be/n7aMcKinrWY
2016-11-30T07:39:49 < jpa-> my ebike lifepo4 seems to have developed a bad cell :/
2016-11-30T07:42:45 < ohsix> jenn schiffer is p. funny
2016-11-30T07:42:54 < ohsix> 'trolling'
2016-11-30T07:43:09 < ohsix> upgrdman: wat was it used for
2016-11-30T07:43:33 < upgrdman> ohsix, battery for my DIY 2.4ghz transmitter
2016-11-30T07:44:02 < upgrdman> blue think on the back of the last photo here: http://farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-01-17_DIY_PCBs_with_Solder_Mask/
2016-11-30T07:44:39 < ohsix> ah
2016-11-30T07:44:40 < upgrdman> got the battery in 2010 tho and had it sitting in my closet until 2014ish
2016-11-30T07:44:56 < ohsix> fackin balls i wanna do something with the radio things iv'e got but i just don't
2016-11-30T07:45:30 < ohsix> oh, that was in the video
2016-11-30T07:45:43 < ohsix> can you buy that gimbal thing by itself somewhere?
2016-11-30T07:46:34 < upgrdman> not that i know of, but you can buy cheap china radios and rip em out
2016-11-30T07:46:59 < upgrdman> i pulled them gimbal from a radio back when i worked in that industry. wish i would have saved some gimbals.
2016-11-30T07:47:09 < upgrdman> at work i had a box of like 50 gimbals.
2016-11-30T07:47:32 < upgrdman> oh well, EE pro troll pays so much better than working in RC
2016-11-30T07:48:28 < ohsix> nice
2016-11-30T07:48:31 < ohsix> who with?
2016-11-30T07:49:30 < upgrdman> small medical company in long beach.
2016-11-30T07:49:38 < ohsix> o
2016-11-30T07:49:40 < ohsix> i meant rc
2016-11-30T07:49:43 < ohsix> HUHUH
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2016-11-30T07:50:05 < ohsix> i don't know anyone that works in anything like that
2016-11-30T07:50:08 < ohsix> except dongs i guess
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2016-11-30T07:59:47 < ohsix> rss doesn't really work when you have unreliable internette axxess
2016-11-30T08:02:16 < upgrdman> anyone used UML Sequence Diagram to model data flow for embedded shitz? like flow between ISRs, main, etc.
2016-11-30T08:08:36 < jpa-> i've seen it used but for some reason i've always found uml sequence diagrams harder to read than just a textual description of the same
2016-11-30T08:09:03 < zyp> UML always seemed like academical bullshit to me
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2016-11-30T08:10:11 < jpa-> i can see the point of entity diagrams
2016-11-30T08:10:16 < jpa-> and state machine diagrams
2016-11-30T08:10:53 < jpa-> don't really care if it is 100% UML-certified Most Valued Diagram (tm), but nice enough to use the same basic symbols
2016-11-30T08:11:16 < zyp> circles and arrows?
2016-11-30T08:11:17 < upgrdman> ya i dont need wanker-certified charts, just something better than white board doodles
2016-11-30T08:11:21 < jpa-> zyp: yeah
2016-11-30T08:11:48 < jpa-> the "begin here" and "end here" circles mainly.. everything else is just basic flowchart stuff
2016-11-30T08:12:23 < jpa-> http://essentialscrap.com/toycar/statemachine.png
2016-11-30T08:12:45 < ohsix> uh
2016-11-30T08:13:13 < ohsix> upgrdman: nope, but i found yed the other day which can do diagramming for junk
2016-11-30T08:13:21 < ohsix> i've used graphviz before
2016-11-30T08:13:40 < ohsix> it's easy to just type out state machines, or generate them from the code
2016-11-30T08:14:04 < jpa-> and get crap looking results that are difficult to improve :P
2016-11-30T08:14:09 < zyp> yeah, I also use graphviz for state diagrams
2016-11-30T08:14:15 < ohsix> zyp: there's some quality assurance / business logic type applications where it's just implied
2016-11-30T08:14:20 < ohsix> so yea, mostly bullshit
2016-11-30T08:14:52 < ohsix> the OMG (lol, yes) has a bunch of related stuff for actually roundtripping code, so it can sort of work
2016-11-30T08:15:46 < ohsix> https://www.yworks.com/products/yed
2016-11-30T08:16:39 < ohsix> nice thing about doign them with graphviz is that you don't have to lay them out, you can add shit and see what it looks like, can sometimes give you an idea of how not to do things
2016-11-30T08:17:46 < jpa-> http://koti.kapsi.fi/jpa/stuff/pix/zizzorelations2.png   i guess this is a strong indication of "don't do it this way"? ;)
2016-11-30T08:18:14 < ohsix> having a definitive reply is work
2016-11-30T08:18:16 < ohsix> i abstain
2016-11-30T08:18:18 < ohsix> (huhuhu)
2016-11-30T08:18:41 < ohsix> it looks like there is an arity of solvers so i dunno, maybe; would have to know a lot more
2016-11-30T08:21:21 < ohsix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOT_(graph_description_language)#Directed_graphs
2016-11-30T08:22:27 < upgrdman> lol http://imgur.com/a/1F5su
2016-11-30T08:25:33 < zyp> jpa-, what's wrong with that?
2016-11-30T08:25:46 < upgrdman> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/man-holland-netherlands-dutch-euthanised-alcohol-addiction-alcoholic-netherlands-a7446256.html
2016-11-30T08:26:19 < jpa-> zyp: i guess nothing, but pretty hard to follow (like one would of course expect from an autogenerated graph)
2016-11-30T08:26:32 < jpa-> upgrdman: rip Steffanx 
2016-11-30T08:26:42 < upgrdman> inorite
2016-11-30T08:28:02 < zyp> hmm, looking through my collection of shit, I found this: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/rxjLe.png
2016-11-30T08:28:41 < upgrdman> lol
2016-11-30T08:28:44 < zyp> IIRC somebody once claimed that a shift register was not a state machine, so I drew a state diagram for a 3-bit shift register to prove them wrong
2016-11-30T08:29:29 < ohsix> that's awesome
2016-11-30T08:29:52 < ohsix> how would you implement a shift register without a state machine? like a barrel shifter?
2016-11-30T08:30:56 < ohsix> naively i'd say there's no way around it, but i dunno
2016-11-30T08:31:01 < stvn> http://essentialscrap.com/tips/oogoo/rot_7_1.jpg
2016-11-30T08:32:01 < zyp> http://bin.jvnv.net/f/HsiRv.png <- once I dicked around with static analysis of call hierarchy, was thinking about making some shit to calculate max stack depth for each thread
2016-11-30T08:37:27 < ohsix> during runtime?
2016-11-30T08:37:34 < ohsix> i think you can get the info from the compiler
2016-11-30T08:38:02 < ohsix> oh, right nevermind; for one function does nto mean all code paths
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2016-11-30T08:48:44 < englishman> stvn: you didn't answer my q
2016-11-30T08:51:21 < ohsix> huh
2016-11-30T08:51:34 < ohsix> so toner/inkjet chips, the printer just writes a number to them
2016-11-30T08:51:56 < ohsix> if you sniff the protocol you can find out how to just write some other value
2016-11-30T08:52:02 < ohsix> thought it would be more complex
2016-11-30T08:52:58 < jpa-> IIRC some more modern chips have encryption
2016-11-30T08:53:15 < ohsix> yea, no doubt
2016-11-30T08:54:00 < ohsix> but it's not like they use diffie helman to check that link is secure and non reproducable functions to id the cart to the host, and _then_ store an integer :D
2016-11-30T08:54:21 < ohsix> i got something to hax at least
2016-11-30T08:54:31 < ohsix> konica minolta laser printer from 2004
2016-11-30T08:54:45 < ohsix> the cartridge has a cap on it so you can dump toner right in without fucking around
2016-11-30T08:55:08 < ohsix> and the roller is separate from the toner cartridge, on a little carrier; that's like, prime, bulletproof refillable toner shit
2016-11-30T09:00:47 < ohsix> hm shit wtf
2016-11-30T09:00:51 < ohsix> some are literally just eeproms
2016-11-30T09:00:56 < ohsix> guess i better actually check :D
2016-11-30T09:03:21 < ohsix> ReadErr: 'Waldo' is interesting, 'assuming you're superior because i don't take you seriously'
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2016-11-30T09:05:47 < ohsix> jpa-: https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/digital/memory-products/DS2432.html this is what it is
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2016-11-30T09:08:35 < stvn> englishman, hi
2016-11-30T09:08:41 < englishman> hi
2016-11-30T09:08:57  * englishman coughs
2016-11-30T09:08:59 < stvn> u give me question?
2016-11-30T09:09:03 < englishman> yes
2016-11-30T09:09:08 < stvn> where
2016-11-30T09:09:15 < englishman> did you catch asthma
2016-11-30T09:09:31 < englishman> its contagious now
2016-11-30T09:09:50 < ohsix> jpa-: looks like, as usual, the only real protection involved is something they can legally come at you with over copyright
2016-11-30T09:10:06 < ohsix> the 'key', that you would get from the firmware and would necessarily have to store to reset them
2016-11-30T09:10:06 < stvn> n
2016-11-30T09:10:22 < englishman> anyone can get it (in australia)
2016-11-30T09:10:47 < stvn> ok
2016-11-30T09:10:53 < ohsix> really?
2016-11-30T09:11:03 < stvn> news 2 me
2016-11-30T09:11:05 < ohsix> i missed the story and or joke on the asthma thing
2016-11-30T09:13:14 < ohsix> wtf, nda for full data sheet
2016-11-30T09:13:32 < stvn> datashits
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2016-11-30T09:14:41 < ohsix> ya rly
2016-11-30T09:15:12 < ohsix> actually this is kind of cool / awesome how they did it, everything in the full version only says 'refer to full datasheet section x' in every location
2016-11-30T09:15:25 < ohsix> so you know if it is important or not, which is way more than other vendors do
2016-11-30T09:15:38 < stvn> hmm
2016-11-30T09:17:21 < jpa-> ohsix: getting the key from the firmware sounds pretty difficult, it's pretty easy to hide well enough
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2016-11-30T09:19:19 < zyp> ohsix, I said static analysis
2016-11-30T09:19:22 < zyp> i.e. from the compiler
2016-11-30T09:19:40 < zyp> gcc got stuff that reports the frame size for each function
2016-11-30T09:19:59 < ohsix> zyp: ah i didn't read that into static analysis
2016-11-30T09:20:03 < ohsix> k word
2016-11-30T09:20:31 < ohsix> jpa-: well, it's something to do! i've been looking for something to dump the firmware on or really do anything with
2016-11-30T09:20:52 < ohsix> it's old enough to probably be a cakewalk
2016-11-30T09:21:02 < zyp> but you still have to map out the call tree so you can check the maximum stack depth by figuring out the frame size sum for each branch
2016-11-30T09:21:07 < ohsix> i don't think i need the secret tho, need to verify how they
2016-11-30T09:21:15 < ohsix> re using the actual chip
2016-11-30T09:21:50 < zyp> it seems pretty simple until you hit indirection, and then it's good luck tracking what function goes into a function pointer and what calls it
2016-11-30T09:22:08 < zyp> including vtables and shit
2016-11-30T09:22:47 < ohsix> yea
2016-11-30T09:23:14 < ohsix> the loonix kernel has some problems they've had in xfs, what they do is have a stack guard and report if it is exceeded
2016-11-30T09:23:24 < ohsix> that works ok since only the long code paths matter
2016-11-30T09:23:32 < ohsix> but, it also doesn't work cuz you might never be on them
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2016-11-30T09:24:24 < ohsix> i think valgrind or one of the tools can track stack usage really closely, and tell you what is going on ine very instruction, along with coverage
2016-11-30T09:24:27 < zyp> back to graphviz diagrams: http://bin.jvnv.net/f/ZTFzM.png
2016-11-30T09:24:40 < zyp> I think that was supposed to be sha256 or something
2016-11-30T09:24:55 < ohsix> that looks like something from conways game of life
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2016-11-30T09:25:14 < ohsix> huh it has a nice regular looking pattern
2016-11-30T09:25:41 < zyp> well, yeah, it's an unrolled loop
2016-11-30T09:25:57 < zyp> 64 iterations of some shit
2016-11-30T09:26:08 < stvn> O.O
2016-11-30T09:26:16 < ohsix> well, i was thinking like, something you'd put on a shirt, but there's zero chance of someone figuring out what that is heheh
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2016-11-30T09:52:28 < ohsix> https://www.usbid.com/assets/datasheets/27/ds2432.pdf here's an early unredacted datasheet for that thing
2016-11-30T09:54:32 < ohsix> checked some different sections, most of the stuff is in the un-nda one, first major diff is the memory map
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2016-11-30T09:57:40 < ohsix> hm the scratchpad register/instruction stuff is only in nda version
2016-11-30T09:58:02 < ohsix> and 8 bits of the lasered rom
2016-11-30T10:05:09 < ohsix> heh, reading about one printer chip, the driver sends a DOTCOUNT, the printer driver calculates how much toner will be used, and it's in the eeprom
2016-11-30T10:05:21 < ohsix> that'll of course not be super accurate, lul
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2016-11-30T10:12:34 < Kliment> It doesn't matter, as long as the error is in the conservative direction
2016-11-30T10:13:00 < Kliment> Because that way they sell more toner
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2016-11-30T10:22:02 < ohsix> of course
2016-11-30T10:22:17 < ohsix> but it also does estimate the level of toner used in some way
2016-11-30T10:24:55 < ohsix> also, you might accept what happens when toner runs out, like missing lines and stuf; but if you were assuring your printer worked well, you might make sure that almost never happens, even if you 'waste' some toner
2016-11-30T10:25:22 < ohsix> there are lots of plausible reasons other than just straight upscam
2016-11-30T10:25:58 < ohsix> i forgot how 'old' this stuff was in inkjets, and how they were a loss leader even in the 90s :\
2016-11-30T10:27:01 < Kliment> Sure but you can do what the old HPs did
2016-11-30T10:27:26 < Kliment> The machine tells you "I have too little toner, quality might suck, do you want to continue?"
2016-11-30T10:30:57 < zyp> my old HP is almost like that
2016-11-30T10:31:08 < zyp> it doesn't ask, it just states «out of toner»
2016-11-30T10:31:37 < zyp> so I checked the manual and found that the settings menu have a «stfu and try printing anyway» option hidden away there
2016-11-30T10:32:03 < zyp> called «supplies override» or something like that
2016-11-30T10:34:22 < Steffanx> Hello jpa- how is it down there?
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2016-11-30T10:36:01 < Kliment> zyp: Correct. And it works
2016-11-30T10:36:35 < zyp> yeah, saved me when I needed to print something a couple of months ago
2016-11-30T10:36:45 < Kliment> zyp: The reason for this setting is that sometimes you need a document right fucking now
2016-11-30T10:37:32 < Kliment> zyp: And HP's larger corporate customers had engineers writing requirement documents that included that
2016-11-30T10:37:44 < Kliment> (back in the late 80s)
2016-11-30T10:38:50 < jpa-> Steffanx: cold.. could you negotiate some sunshine?
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2016-11-30T10:41:49 < zyp> Kliment, exactly my situation
2016-11-30T10:42:30 < zyp> was about to head out to the post office to drop off a load of shipments, and I needed to print the freight letter that needs to be attached
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2016-11-30T11:04:06 < dongs> how to be less of an autistic fuck, anyone got some protips
2016-11-30T11:04:34 < Steffanx> Jpa- he said:  I will strike down upon theewith great vengeance
2016-11-30T11:04:58 < jpa-> expected nothing else
2016-11-30T11:05:17 < jpa-> dongs: follow Laurenceb 
2016-11-30T11:05:44 < Steffanx> Follow as on twitter?
2016-11-30T11:06:22 < Kliment> dongs: When you get the urge to shit on people, type out what you want to say, then delete it
2016-11-30T11:06:32 < ohsix> jpa-: lul found a doc for some resetting software
2016-11-30T11:07:02 < ohsix> in rare cases (they say 10% of chips) you need to freeze them with compressed air and try and reset them while it is warming up
2016-11-30T11:07:45 < Kliment> ohsix: That's not rare!
2016-11-30T11:09:15 < Steffanx> Heh nice protips for dongs from Kliment ;)
2016-11-30T11:09:25 < Steffanx> protip*
2016-11-30T11:09:45 < ohsix> something a bout the way it latches stuff out, must end up inserting garbage into the write region instead of the data
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2016-11-30T11:09:59 < ohsix> 'garbage' -> 0xff or 0
2016-11-30T11:10:18 < Kliment> Steffanx: Worked for me :)
2016-11-30T11:11:17 < ohsix> hm heh
2016-11-30T11:11:22 < ohsix> those chips are in FDM machines
2016-11-30T11:12:22 < ohsix> lul those machines keep a record of the chip ids so you can't use them over again
2016-11-30T11:12:41 < ohsix> now that is an air tight demonstration that they are fucking with you just so you have to buy more supplies from them
2016-11-30T11:13:48 < ohsix> http://haveblue.org/?p=1988
2016-11-30T11:14:00 < ohsix> heh that domain name looks like spam
2016-11-30T11:14:09 < ohsix> bbl, sleep
2016-11-30T11:14:28 < Kliment> ohsix: It does but it's a very good resource
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2016-11-30T11:45:38 < upgrdman> http://haveblue.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/front-panel-empty-cartridge.jpg    nice cock-n-balls front panel design
2016-11-30T11:46:19 < dongs> so spawns dixus7 2013 died
2016-11-30T11:47:12 < upgrdman> nice lawn ornament  http://i.imgur.com/qzWaSUA.jpg
2016-11-30T11:47:40 < dongs> googling, seems flash dying is normal thing there
2016-11-30T11:47:46 < dongs> should I jsut tear it down and pull emmc out
2016-11-30T11:49:13 < upgrdman> dongie gonna be the next louis rossman?
2016-11-30T11:49:46 < dongs> wel they wanna save some shit from the thing
2016-11-30T11:49:48 < dongs> hardware itself is worthless
2016-11-30T11:49:56 < dongs> and i have usb emmc reader shit
2016-11-30T11:50:04 < dongs> figure at least something might be readable?
2016-11-30T11:51:55 < upgrdman> worth a shot
2016-11-30T11:52:11 < upgrdman> no full dicks encryption enabled?
2016-11-30T11:53:18 < dongs> of course not
2016-11-30T11:53:19 < dongs> i have nothing to hide
2016-11-30T11:53:40 < dongs> http://productforums.google.com/d/topic/nexus/aHPjOTqCpXY
2016-11-30T11:53:40 < dongs> etc
2016-11-30T11:53:47 < dongs> http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-7-tablet-2013/361895-nexus-7-stuck-google-logo-screen-boot-up-3.html
2016-11-30T11:54:23 < jadew> dongs, I was in the same situation with a lumia 920 and before removing the EMMC, I figured I should just try reflowing it
2016-11-30T11:54:38 < jadew> worked long enough after that that I could recover the data the normal way
2016-11-30T11:55:26 < dongs> this shit is behind metal shield and crap
2016-11-30T11:55:31 < dongs> i donno if i wanna bother wiht careful removal
2016-11-30T11:55:46 < jadew> well, you can just pop the can
2016-11-30T11:56:29 < jadew> apply a bit of heat and pry it open
2016-11-30T11:56:30 < dongs> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2436597
2016-11-30T11:56:32 < dongs> i see blinks
2016-11-30T11:56:43 < dongs> ah, battery dead thing
2016-11-30T11:56:52 < dongs> but it wasnt booting when it was fully charged either
2016-11-30T11:57:31 < jadew> http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-7-tablet-2013/361895-nexus-7-stuck-google-logo-screen-boot-up-3.html#post4278663
2016-11-30T11:58:36 < jadew> "does not work around magnets"
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2016-11-30T12:13:55 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl6lX08MXDI
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2016-11-30T12:26:38 < dongs> ah
2016-11-30T12:26:44 < dongs> fuckiung emmc is on the back of hte board
2016-11-30T12:26:47 < dongs> wihtout shield at least
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2016-11-30T12:47:19 < dongs> kingston emmc
2016-11-30T12:47:21 < dongs> fucking garbage
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2016-11-30T13:08:42 < stvn> kool
2016-11-30T13:34:25 < kakimir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2GcdpJiNGfKQURET19vN25FV2c/view?usp=drivesdk winter
2016-11-30T13:36:41 < Steffanx> Sexy.
2016-11-30T13:36:57 < stvn> hi Steffanx 
2016-11-30T13:37:26 < Steffanx> Hello mr.
2016-11-30T13:38:14 < stvn> how is mr x
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2016-11-30T14:12:05 < stvn> o,o
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2016-11-30T14:23:39 < karlp> anyone have any opinions on whether this is an artifact of a cheap LA at it's 100MHz limit, or whether it's "expected" for HSI? http://imgur.com/a/sEoW2
2016-11-30T14:23:55 < karlp> (comparing MCO edge to edge timings)
2016-11-30T14:26:00 < zyp> just LA sampling bullshit
2016-11-30T14:26:28 < zyp> way too low resolution to say anything useful about timing stability
2016-11-30T14:27:13 < BrainDamage> remember that the LA has its own jitter that adds
2016-11-30T14:27:30 < zyp> yeah
2016-11-30T14:29:41 < jpa-> karlp: remember if one edge goes +10ns and next one goes -10ns, you get 20ns error
2016-11-30T14:43:16 < karlp> yeah, was mostly leaning towards LA sampling artifacts
2016-11-30T14:44:05 < karlp> was curious to see if I could somehow capture the HSI drifting up or down within it's 1% range over time as decimad had said.
2016-11-30T14:44:19 < zyp> use a scope for that?
2016-11-30T14:44:36 < zyp> trigger on one edge, zoom in on the following edge, observe jitter
2016-11-30T14:45:13 < karlp> well, that's what this capture is,
2016-11-30T14:45:28 < karlp> a list of the edge to edge timings.
2016-11-30T14:45:50 < zyp> yes, but your resolution isn't good enough
2016-11-30T14:46:06 < zyp> you need at least another order of magnitude
2016-11-30T14:46:37 < karlp> yeah. bit sucky though, signal is only 2MHz.
2016-11-30T14:47:11 < karlp> also, that only gives you the short term view of edge to edge, in persistence mode I guess you could see over time
2016-11-30T14:47:13 < zyp> signal speed vs sampling speed isn't the critical point here
2016-11-30T14:47:31 < zyp> you're looking for jitter, so critical is timing resolution vs jitter
2016-11-30T14:47:33 < karlp> yeah, I need resolution around the edge timing
2016-11-30T14:48:28 < karlp> is is still called jitter though? or is there another term? I'm not really intested in whether it's 501ns one cycle and 500 the next, and it averages to 501.5ns, I'm more interested in whether in 5 minutes time it will 503ns with x jitter
2016-11-30T14:49:16 < zyp> no, I'd call that drift
2016-11-30T14:49:41 < zyp> not sure what formal definitions are, but my head says jitter is short term variations and drift is longer term variations
2016-11-30T14:49:51 < karlp> that's what I'd be thinking too.
2016-11-30T14:50:10 < karlp> so, I shoujld be able to use what I've got to measure _drift_ though.
2016-11-30T14:50:37 < karlp> I need to plto something like a running mean of the last x samples, instead of a population mean.
2016-11-30T14:50:40 < zyp> assuming the drift is larger, sure
2016-11-30T14:59:34 < jpa-> the quantization may make averaging useless; because unlike in e.g. ADC, there isn't enough noise there to dither it
2016-11-30T15:00:14 < jpa-> hmm.. though because it is always differences between edges.. hmm actually should work
2016-11-30T15:01:21 < zyp> couldn't you get some kind of aliasing issues when one frequency is almost exactly a fraction of the other?
2016-11-30T15:07:18 < jpa-> yeah, but because the averaging is the same as if you just measured time over N periods and divided by N, any inaccuracies should tend towards 0
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2016-11-30T15:12:09 < zyp> ah, that's a good way of looking at it
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2016-11-30T15:17:59 < Laurenceb_> https://media.8ch.net/file_store/293a3806012f02a4e3f1e57f5719a3cc59ff7d380cbaa14e4e4fe7cc707e566d.png
2016-11-30T15:23:12 < stvn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppj3gqUTt9E
2016-11-30T15:26:02 < Laurenceb_> wait...
2016-11-30T15:26:09 < Laurenceb_> something is wrong there
2016-11-30T15:26:28 < stvn> lol
2016-11-30T15:26:35 < Laurenceb_> I can't quite work it out
2016-11-30T15:26:49 < Laurenceb_> is that you stvn?
2016-11-30T15:26:59 < stvn> no
2016-11-30T15:27:22 < Laurenceb_> we all know that it is
2016-11-30T15:27:39 < Laurenceb_> someone needs to visit /r/m2f for advice
2016-11-30T15:28:00 < stvn> lol
2016-11-30T15:30:37 < Laurenceb_>   lulz the comment
2016-11-30T15:30:40 < Laurenceb_> "i admire smart women like you"
2016-11-30T15:32:38 < stvn> [:
2016-11-30T15:32:50 < Laurenceb_> What the f..is going on .. people in America are going nuts ..Well loosing the nuts
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2016-11-30T15:42:23 < PaulFertser> Do you EU folks have anything like https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/17/uk-ip-bill-surveillance-law/ ? ISP doing mandatory mass surveillance etc?
2016-11-30T15:44:39 < zyp> some law like that were struck down here a couple of years ago
2016-11-30T15:45:08 < zyp> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive <- this shit
2016-11-30T15:45:59 < zyp> hmm, actually not struck down, just on hold
2016-11-30T15:49:29 < PaulFertser> But it was de-facto practice in the UK since long, probably it's the same about other european countries?
2016-11-30T15:53:06 < __rob> hope they don't I've setup open vpn on an nl server because of isp..
2016-11-30T15:53:36 < __rob> what people don't understand is it is perhaps not now that you need be worried, but you have put those powers in the hands of anyone who comes next
2016-11-30T15:53:45 < __rob> with no recourse
2016-11-30T15:53:55 < __rob> who knows who the hell will get in..
2016-11-30T15:54:01 < __rob> in future..
2016-11-30T15:54:11 < __rob> i mean, USA voted in trump
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2016-11-30T17:01:06 < karlp> dongs: you might find this amusing: https://github.com/libopencm3/libopencm3/pull/715#issuecomment-263884406
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2016-11-30T17:45:54 < jadew> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB9sULbGuAA#t=2m54s
2016-11-30T17:46:04 < jadew> (volume)
2016-11-30T17:46:16 < karlp> ok, here's drift/wander of hsi vs hse then: http://imgur.com/a/IwrOX
2016-11-30T17:46:24 < karlp> 1000 point moving average shows it nicely.
2016-11-30T17:48:59 < zyp> nice
2016-11-30T17:50:37 < karlp> spent way too long trying to find the right filtering in kst2, turns out it's something impelmented on the input, and completly missing as an operation afer the fact.
2016-11-30T17:50:44 < karlp> strange app sometimes, 
2016-11-30T17:50:57 < zyp> kst2?
2016-11-30T17:51:16 < karlp> the tool doing that charting analysis
2016-11-30T17:52:09 < zyp> yeah, just wondered if it's part of some tool package
2016-11-30T17:52:12 < zyp> or a standalone thing
2016-11-30T18:00:15 < Kliment> karlp: Nice, good to know
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2016-11-30T18:07:04 < Kliment> karlp: I can't reciprocate with anything nearly as useful, but I do have pictures of a bridge made for a cat
2016-11-30T18:07:42 < TheSeven> hm, while transmitting a burst of packets, I always lose the 4th one. WTF. not every 4th one. the 4th one out of 24.
2016-11-30T18:07:45 < Laurenceb> The MAX30102 detects heart rate and pulse ox on a person’s fingertip, earlobe, or other fleshy extremity
2016-11-30T18:07:51 < Laurenceb> no homo
2016-11-30T18:08:27 < karlp> Kliment: decimad told us a few weeks ago, if not months, I just wanted to see it, as part of some work I'm doing.
2016-11-30T18:09:13 < TheSeven> karlp: interesting, HSI was always marginally *above* the specced freq for me
2016-11-30T18:09:21 < TheSeven> yours is quite a bit below
2016-11-30T18:09:24 < TheSeven> which chip is that?
2016-11-30T18:09:25 < karlp> well, it's +-1% :)
2016-11-30T18:09:42 < karlp> and it's only +- 1% at 25C, it blows out across the temp range
2016-11-30T18:09:47 < karlp> this is a stm32l1
2016-11-30T18:09:53 < TheSeven> of the 10 or so chips that I've done something similar on, they were all slightly above at 3.3V at room temperature
2016-11-30T18:10:00 < TheSeven> they were all F0 though
2016-11-30T18:10:15 < karlp> probably depends what wafer they were, not which chip or anything
2016-11-30T18:11:05 < TheSeven> I'd assume that they are generally a bit above at the upper end of their operating voltage range, so that they're still in spec at the lower end
2016-11-30T18:11:13 < Kliment> karlp: Do you still want the cat pics?
2016-11-30T18:11:48 < karlp> Kliment: sure!
2016-11-30T18:11:53 < TheSeven> I'm trimming HSI48 to within 200ppm on F072 via radio time sync packets in the thing that I'm currently working on
2016-11-30T18:11:53 < karlp> this is the internet right?
2016-11-30T18:12:38 < TheSeven> and that thing was damn accurate by itself already, my code usually just needs to move it one step from factory cal
2016-11-30T18:12:46 < Kliment> karlp: https://imgur.com/a/OqL4H
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2016-11-30T18:13:01 < karlp> it's -4 to +2% across -10 to 105C, 
2016-11-30T18:13:12 < TheSeven> LSI would be fairly interesting...
2016-11-30T18:13:31 < TheSeven> I once charted that against temperature (measured against HSI)
2016-11-30T18:13:39 < karlp> TheSeven: the crystal I've got on is 10ppm.
2016-11-30T18:13:47 < TheSeven> tempco on LSI was way bigger than on HSI
2016-11-30T18:13:55 < karlp> what are you doing with the time sync?
2016-11-30T18:14:10 < Kliment> Laurenceb: That's a nice module actually
2016-11-30T18:14:22 < TheSeven> karlp: I just need to ensure that my time reference stays within +-4µs in a 5500µs long radio frame
2016-11-30T18:14:23 < Laurenceb> yeah
2016-11-30T18:14:29 < Kliment> Laurenceb: Too bad it's just two emitters
2016-11-30T18:14:37 < Laurenceb> good enough for CRT :P
2016-11-30T18:14:40 < TheSeven> so what I'm doing is somewhat similar to xtal-less USB syncing on SOF packets
2016-11-30T18:15:03 < Kliment> Laurenceb: I was doing cooximetry a few years back with an F0
2016-11-30T18:15:43 < TheSeven> this is just to ensure that I don't babble into others' time slots in a TDMA radio system
2016-11-30T18:15:44 < Kliment> Laurenceb: The problem with carboxyhemoglobin is that it fucks up your ratios
2016-11-30T18:16:08 < Kliment> Laurenceb: And it's so easy to detect, just needs one more emitter
2016-11-30T18:16:15 < Laurenceb> interesting
2016-11-30T18:16:28 < Kliment> Laurenceb: Basically, CO-hemo is redder than O-hemo
2016-11-30T18:16:31 < Laurenceb> yeah
2016-11-30T18:16:40 < Laurenceb> have you seen masimos signal prcessing?
2016-11-30T18:16:47 < Kliment> Laurenceb: To misquote you, no hemo
2016-11-30T18:16:59 < Laurenceb> http://www.masimo.co.uk/pdf/whitepaper/LAB1035R.PDF
2016-11-30T18:17:28 < karlp> TheSeven: cute.
2016-11-30T18:18:34 < TheSeven> karlp: actually I have an LSE xtal on that board to trim HSI48 using CRS, I ended up not using it because radio sync turned out to be equally accurate ;)
2016-11-30T18:18:40 < Kliment> Laurenceb: Nice, but is it patented?
2016-11-30T18:18:47 < Kliment> Laurenceb: If it is I can't really use it
2016-11-30T18:18:48 < Laurenceb> Kliment: yes :P
2016-11-30T18:18:51 < TheSeven> what limits it is basically the HSI48 trimming step size
2016-11-30T18:18:59 < Laurenceb> Kliment: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26642080
2016-11-30T18:20:15 < Kliment> Laurenceb: Any ideas about methemo measurement?
2016-11-30T18:20:23 < karlp> well, I could evaluate trimming, but trimming will just move the absolute frequency up/down to be more in line with the nominal frequency, it won't help correct it's drift/wander that I was graphing there
2016-11-30T18:20:32 < Laurenceb> Kliment: whats methemo?
2016-11-30T18:20:44 < ReadErr> Arrested German spy was a onetime gay porn actor — and a secret Islamist
2016-11-30T18:20:44 < ReadErr> Washington Post	 - ‎1 hour ago‎	
2016-11-30T18:20:44 < ReadErr> BERLIN - Two weeks ago, German intelligence agents noticed an unusual user in a chat room known as a digital hideout for jihadists.
2016-11-30T18:20:47 < Laurenceb> oh Methemoglobin
2016-11-30T18:20:54 < Laurenceb> I haven't looked at that at all
2016-11-30T18:21:15 < Kliment> Laurenceb: It is super easy to detect when drawing blood-dyes the blood brown
2016-11-30T18:21:55 < Kliment> Laurenceb: But trying to detect it noninvasively gets problematic because skin pigmentation can absorb those wavelengths
2016-11-30T18:22:02 < Laurenceb> interesting
2016-11-30T18:22:14 < Laurenceb> are you a student ?
2016-11-30T18:22:31 < Kliment> Heh, not for the past decade and a bit
2016-11-30T18:22:34  * Laurenceb was researching perfusion measurement
2016-11-30T18:22:37 < Laurenceb> http://eprints.nottingham.ac.uk/28735/
2016-11-30T18:23:13 < Kliment> My student days are far behind me I fear
2016-11-30T18:23:28 < Laurenceb> me supervisor was obsessed with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capillary_refill
2016-11-30T18:23:41 < Laurenceb> but IMO its snake oil
2016-11-30T18:23:53 < Laurenceb> *my
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2016-11-30T18:24:41 < Laurenceb> but I never looked at SpO2 monitoring, although I suggested that the masimo signal processing could be used for perfusion adequacy detection
2016-11-30T18:24:54 < TheSeven> karlp: in my application i have (HSE-driven) sync events sent by the radio master including timestamps every ~5500µs
2016-11-30T18:25:01 < Laurenceb> as with inadequate perfusion the venous peak would show low saturation
2016-11-30T18:25:36 < Laurenceb> I tested the masimo "perfusion index" against venous occlusion based measurement and it was v v poor
2016-11-30T18:25:48 < TheSeven> so I just need the HSI48 to fill the gap between those and as a CPU clock generator - my timing reference "jumps" back onto the HSE-synced signal after every frame
2016-11-30T18:25:50 < karlp> TheSeven: I'm looking at sync events rather less often.  hoping to do syncs on the order of every 5-10 seconds, and hopign to have < 100us separation in that time.
2016-11-30T18:25:58 < Laurenceb> http://www.infiniti.se/upload/Servicemanual/Masimo/Beskrivning_PIWhite%20paper.pdf
2016-11-30T18:26:16 < karlp> we'llsee, I think I can get the timing, need my colleague to use that timing though :)
2016-11-30T18:26:24 < TheSeven> karlp: the only thing which I really need accurate timing for in my application is the radio communication anyway
2016-11-30T18:26:37 < TheSeven> just don't want to step onto others' packets
2016-11-30T18:26:50 < englishman> lol dongs the same thing happened to mine but like 2 months out of warranty
2016-11-30T18:29:06 < Kliment> Laurenceb: I think CRT is a reasonable measure for triage purposes but not for diagnostic ones
2016-11-30T18:29:21 < Laurenceb> Kliment: I _used_ to think that
2016-11-30T18:29:22 < Kliment> Laurenceb: What were you intending it for?
2016-11-30T18:29:31 < Laurenceb> perfusion measurement
2016-11-30T18:29:47 < Kliment> Well, it's primarily a proxy for BP, no?
2016-11-30T18:30:00 < Laurenceb> after studies on about 100 hospital patients there is no evidence that it is good for triage
2016-11-30T18:30:06 < Laurenceb> Kliment: hehe maybe
2016-11-30T18:30:19 < Laurenceb> ask 10 people what it measures, ten different answers
2016-11-30T18:30:54 < Kliment> Laurenceb: I'm no expert on this stuff, I only know the basic physiology of blood
2016-11-30T18:31:06 < Laurenceb> from a theoretical perspective it measures f(mean bloop pressure, vasoconstriciton, capillary bed interconnection)
2016-11-30T18:31:19 < Kliment> Laurenceb: I know you can masure vasoconstriction quite well from just pulse amplitude
2016-11-30T18:31:23 < Kliment> measure*
2016-11-30T18:31:33 < Laurenceb> I managed to demonstrate convincingly that its not a measure of perfusion in my thesis
2016-11-30T18:31:43 < Laurenceb> which is annoyingly not available for download L(
2016-11-30T18:31:55 < TheSeven> so why on earth do I always lose the 4th packet. given that I have a 3 packet deep FIFO that seems suspicious, but there should never be more than 2 packets in there...
2016-11-30T18:32:16 < TheSeven> also why does it work on packets 5 through 24
2016-11-30T18:32:27 < Laurenceb> Kliment: are you working on sports watch stuff by any chance?
2016-11-30T18:32:31 < Kliment> Laurenceb: No
2016-11-30T18:32:35 < Laurenceb> ok :P
2016-11-30T18:32:47 < Kliment> Laurenceb: I was working of mobile diagnostics but haven't been for some years now
2016-11-30T18:33:10 < Laurenceb> Kliment: well if you want to build any pulse oximetry type stuff there is some useful bits and pieces on my github
2016-11-30T18:33:11 < Kliment> Laurenceb: and by mobile I mean ambulance, not phone
2016-11-30T18:33:12 < Laurenceb> ok
2016-11-30T18:33:32 < Laurenceb> led modulation stuff https://github.com/Laurenceb/Chibi-Spectro/blob/master/utilities/Timer.c
2016-11-30T18:34:04 < Kliment> Laurenceb: I gotta run for a bit
2016-11-30T18:34:07 < Laurenceb> and demod https://github.com/Laurenceb/Chibi-Spectro/blob/master/sensors/PPG.c
2016-11-30T18:34:11 < Laurenceb> cya
2016-11-30T18:34:31 < Kliment> Heh those comment
2016-11-30T18:34:32 < Kliment> s
2016-11-30T18:34:37 < Kliment> "should be thread safe"
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2016-11-30T18:35:07 < Kliment> Famous last words there
2016-11-30T18:36:44 < Laurenceb> its OFDM using PWM hardware on stm32
2016-11-30T18:37:22 < Laurenceb> I don't do anything with phase, but it should be possible to use two pwm outputs from each timer to control phase
2016-11-30T18:37:59 < Laurenceb> https://github.com/Laurenceb/Chibi-Spectro/blob/master/hardware/tek00003-phasetest.png
2016-11-30T18:38:10 < Laurenceb> example modulated signal
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2016-11-30T22:28:55 < kakimir> do you britt people have word for what we call "vitutus" ?
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2016-11-30T22:31:24 < karlp> perhaps if you explained what vitutus was, we might have a clue at working out what you mean?
2016-11-30T22:31:26 < Kliment> kakimir: It's not translatable
2016-11-30T22:32:45 < Kliment> kakimir: Largely because of its versatility. If you're referring to the feeling of dejection and frustration, there might be a word for it, but it doesn't have the same feel
2016-11-30T22:38:07 < kakimir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqC8jV6ZJs typical case of machine repair vitutus
2016-11-30T22:38:58 < kakimir> no holding back
2016-11-30T22:39:58 < Kliment> rage fits to some degree, there might actually be a word that's an exact match in Scottish, I'd have to ask an expert
2016-11-30T22:42:55 < kakimir> realization that other languages do not have nothing like "vitutus"
2016-11-30T22:43:33 < englishman> wel come to language
2016-11-30T22:43:47 < englishman> vitutus
2016-11-30T22:43:47 < englishman> (vulgar) The state of being annoyed, or pissed off, also describes being bugged by something.
2016-11-30T22:43:51 < englishman> seems simple
2016-11-30T22:43:59 < kakimir> maybe "pissed" but you don't use it same way
2016-11-30T22:44:13 < englishman> americans and brits also dont used pissed the same way
2016-11-30T22:45:17 < englishman> tanné in quebecois
2016-11-30T22:45:18 < englishman> i guess
2016-11-30T22:49:01 < kakimir> sometimes I wonder if I remove all vitutus from myself is there only hollow shell left
2016-11-30T22:50:10 < BrainDamage> exasperation?
2016-11-30T22:56:28 < kakimir> yes
2016-11-30T22:56:30 < kakimir> kind of
2016-11-30T22:57:33 < kakimir> lacks just vulgarity
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2016-11-30T23:05:50 < jadew> flight simulator X is great
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2016-11-30T23:07:22 < qyx> that virtual comport on the stlink
2016-11-30T23:07:26 < jadew> been playing it for the past couple of days and I've learned a lot of stuff about planes that I didn't know
2016-11-30T23:07:31 < qyx> what speeds are supporteD? 
2016-11-30T23:08:54 < qyx> ok, 460800 seems to be the highest speed
2016-11-30T23:11:18 < karlp> qyx: good luck with that ;)
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2016-11-30T23:14:44 < englishman> jadew: agreed
2016-11-30T23:14:50 < englishman> try to land the shuttle
2016-11-30T23:14:57 < englishman> or just putt around your hometown
2016-11-30T23:15:10 < englishman> yet a yoke and pedals for real feel
2016-11-30T23:16:10 < jadew> englishman, I've been considering it, but even with a simple joystick it still feels nice
2016-11-30T23:16:26 < jadew> I can't use it with all 3 monitors at full detail tho
2016-11-30T23:16:28 < englishman> joystick is good too
2016-11-30T23:16:33 < englishman> but i like pedals and throttle group
2016-11-30T23:16:39 < englishman> hehe
2016-11-30T23:16:47 < jadew> mine has throttel too
2016-11-30T23:17:13 < jadew> http://speedlink.com/img/product/SL-6640/large/sl-6640_rgb_001.jpg
2016-11-30T23:17:28 < jadew> not enough buttons tho
2016-11-30T23:19:14 < kakimir> does printf support forcing point to some place in integer?
2016-11-30T23:19:47 < karlp> man printf...
2016-11-30T23:19:58 < Steffanx> > ##stm32 
2016-11-30T23:19:59 < kakimir> I wish I had linux
2016-11-30T23:20:13 < Steffanx> I don't think google will have one ready for you.
2016-11-30T23:20:25 < kakimir> that had usable desktop
2016-11-30T23:20:56 < Steffanx> i meant the "man printf" 
2016-11-30T23:21:04 < jadew> linux would be kick ass as a desktop
2016-11-30T23:21:10 < kakimir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printf_format_string
2016-11-30T23:21:14 < Steffanx> and osx will rule them all.
2016-11-30T23:21:15 < jadew> if it was 1993 and its competitor was MS DOS
2016-11-30T23:21:42 < englishman> the year of the lunix desktop
2016-11-30T23:21:52 < jadew> haha
2016-11-30T23:21:57 < kakimir> jadew: dudes that use only desktop to browse some web and launch tiled terminals filling the screen has coded lunix desktops
2016-11-30T23:22:31 < kakimir> so ergonomics match to that
2016-11-30T23:22:47 < Kliment> kakimir: The mate desktop is actually probably what you want
2016-11-30T23:22:49 < jadew> it's not that
2016-11-30T23:23:05 < Kliment> kakimir: Check it out
2016-11-30T23:23:13 < jadew> it's mainly the lack of motivation
2016-11-30T23:23:25 < kakimir> kde3.5 was nice
2016-11-30T23:23:36 < Rickta59> virtualbox in seemless mode
2016-11-30T23:23:41 < jadew> the better the devs are, the less motivation they have to do something that's better than "good enough for me"
2016-11-30T23:23:48 < Kliment> Well, given both windows and osx are screwing themselves in the desktop usability department...
2016-11-30T23:23:58 < Kliment> Then again, so are unity and gnome
2016-11-30T23:24:12 < jadew> Kliment, I think w10 is going in the right direction
2016-11-30T23:24:31 < Kliment> jadew: I met with a theater effects guy the other day
2016-11-30T23:25:04 < kakimir> http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/opensuse-tumbleweed-receives-mesa-12-0-0-libreoffice-5-2-rc1-and-pulseaudio-9-0-506136-2.jpg kde atm
2016-11-30T23:25:09 < jadew> about mate desktop - yeah, that's what I'm using too, but it suffers from the usual stuff
2016-11-30T23:25:20 < Kliment> jadew: He's been telling me that a number of perfomances were threatened by Win10 trying to force a restart/update
2016-11-30T23:25:26 < Steffanx> Yes, what's the issue there kakimir?
2016-11-30T23:25:46 < Kliment> Gah that KDE screenshot looks like windows phone
2016-11-30T23:25:53 < jadew> it looks pretty good
2016-11-30T23:26:02 < jadew> but KDE always felt bloated to me
2016-11-30T23:26:10 < Kliment> Why is everyone trying to be "flat" now?
2016-11-30T23:26:13 < jadew> don't know if it's true
2016-11-30T23:26:29 < kakimir> Steffanx: as Kliment said "flat"
2016-11-30T23:26:32 < Kliment> jadew: It was, but then the rest of the world caught up
2016-11-30T23:26:44 < jadew> heh
2016-11-30T23:26:47 < Kliment> jadew: Now everything is bloated
2016-11-30T23:26:48 < Steffanx> Is that really an issue kakimir?
2016-11-30T23:26:58 < Kliment> Steffanx: Matter of taste I guess
2016-11-30T23:27:13 < kakimir> and where are all the features all the menus and shiet
2016-11-30T23:27:28 < jadew> http://orig14.deviantart.net/a1e5/f/2014/298/c/7/windows_3_1_theme_for_windows_8_and_windows_8_1_by_winxp4life-d8451jw.jpg
2016-11-30T23:28:16 < Kliment> They didn't change the icons!
2016-11-30T23:28:24 < jadew> I think there's real value in not being flat these days
2016-11-30T23:28:27 < kakimir> it's like candy coated front like in windows 10 that sucks and you need to launch all the real stuff to get going
2016-11-30T23:28:39 < jadew> because everyone goes for flat, it's silly
2016-11-30T23:28:40 < Kliment> That "internet" icon should totally be the trumpet winsock logo
2016-11-30T23:28:43 < jadew> nothing stands out anymore
2016-11-30T23:29:27 < kakimir> you click that shiet and you get some "flat look" apps open that can not do anything to anything
2016-11-30T23:29:57 < Steffanx> I don't really care how things look. If I get work done when using it, it's perfect for me.
2016-11-30T23:30:06 < Kliment> kakimir: My upstairs neighbor loves his windows phone
2016-11-30T23:30:24 < jadew> I don't mind slick looking stuff, but everything looks the same
2016-11-30T23:30:34 < Kliment> kakimir: And it has the flattest of flat interfaces
2016-11-30T23:30:41 < kakimir> jadew: you didn't get over your win xp back then?
2016-11-30T23:30:48 < Kliment> kakimir: I find it unusable, but meh, not my phone
2016-11-30T23:31:03 < kakimir> meego or whatever had nice interface
2016-11-30T23:31:11 < jadew> kakimir, what do you mean?
2016-11-30T23:31:13 < Kliment> Maemo you mean?
2016-11-30T23:31:40 < kakimir> in what was the phone.. long.. aluminium case and rounded display
2016-11-30T23:31:43 < Kliment> I don't think the interface was that great, but I loved programming for it
2016-11-30T23:31:51 < Kliment> kakimir: N900
2016-11-30T23:32:26 < kakimir> I meant like real product.. last meego phone that was later sold as windows phone
2016-11-30T23:32:42 < Kliment> N900 was a real product. Or do you mean the N9?
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2016-11-30T23:32:46 < kakimir> N9
2016-11-30T23:32:58 < jadew> looks like lumia
2016-11-30T23:33:09 < kakimir> it was lumia before lumia
2016-11-30T23:33:15 < jadew> didn't know about them
2016-11-30T23:33:17 < jadew> symbian?
2016-11-30T23:33:18 < Kliment> jadew: They used it as the basis for lumia
2016-11-30T23:33:22 < kakimir> meego
2016-11-30T23:33:26 < Kliment> jadew: No, it ran a full linux
2016-11-30T23:33:34 < kakimir> they flashed it with winphone
2016-11-30T23:33:57 < kakimir> and changed some labels and packaging
2016-11-30T23:33:59 < Kliment> jadew: Pleasure to program for, really nice access to all hardware, clean APIs
2016-11-30T23:34:09 < jadew> nice
2016-11-30T23:34:53 < jadew> fail marketing tho
2016-11-30T23:35:02 < jadew> because I haven't heard about it until now
2016-11-30T23:35:16 < Kliment> jadew: Nokia was forced to scrap it by the microsoft implant
2016-11-30T23:35:43 < kakimir> they made nice marketing footage for the first lumia
2016-11-30T23:35:57 < jadew> yeah, everyone heard about that one
2016-11-30T23:35:57 < Kliment> jadew: They just dumped everything and fell facefirst into the windows phone swamp
2016-11-30T23:36:16 < jadew> Kliment, I don't think that was a bad move for Nokia
2016-11-30T23:36:28 < Kliment> jadew: Well, look where they ended up
2016-11-30T23:36:28 < jadew> MS is pulling a lot of the weight
2016-11-30T23:36:40 < jadew> they were already in big trouble
2016-11-30T23:36:49 < Kliment> jadew: It was a terrible move - they lost both their reliability and their usability advantage
2016-11-30T23:37:12 < Kliment> jadew: and the threat from not having a viable app ecosystem didn't go away because windows phone doesn't have one either
2016-11-30T23:38:42 < jadew> I think the biggest issue with the windows phone is the lacklustre interface
2016-11-30T23:38:56 < jadew> it kinda turns you off
2016-11-30T23:39:23 < Kliment> And that you can't do the things that android and iphone users can because nobody gives a shit about your platform
2016-11-30T23:39:30 < jadew> I didn't feel like writing anything for it and I blame it on the fact that I didn't enjoy it that much
2016-11-30T23:40:08 < Kliment> There were plans to build a compat layer for android apps on the N9
2016-11-30T23:40:11 < jadew> in contrast, I wrote a ton of programs for my previous windows phones (win CE)
2016-11-30T23:40:20 < Kliment> Which would have been a winning move
2016-11-30T23:41:27 < kakimir> vitutus is back
2016-11-30T23:41:29 < Kliment> It's implemented now on jolla
2016-11-30T23:42:12 < Kliment> kakimir: sano sille vitutukselle että saa painua itseensä
2016-11-30T23:44:02 < kakimir> not when talking about nokia, battle of OSes and the crash
2016-11-30T23:44:25 < Kliment> Yeah, sorry about bringing it up
2016-11-30T23:44:57 < kakimir> I knew exactly what was happening
2016-11-30T23:45:52 < kakimir> my parents had put some moneys to stocks for "when you become an adult you get some moneys blah"
2016-11-30T23:46:22 < jadew> you're rich now?
2016-11-30T23:46:48 < kakimir> I said when there was first signs up for what was comming that it was time to sell all
2016-11-30T23:47:53 < jadew> I'm missing something
2016-11-30T23:48:28 < Thorn> Enron stock?
2016-11-30T23:48:53 < kakimir> "no they are saying it's all good.. we must see this thru"
2016-11-30T23:49:23 < jadew> what are you talking abou?
2016-11-30T23:49:27 < kakimir> they had little media game at the end to keep stock price floating a while and some symbian update attempts
2016-11-30T23:49:28 < jadew> *about
2016-11-30T23:50:04 < jadew> ah, you had/have stock at nokia?
2016-11-30T23:50:11 < kakimir> hype about killin iphone with them in news all day
2016-11-30T23:51:52 < jadew> I had a dream about 3 weeks ago about "my new phone"
2016-11-30T23:52:10 < jadew> it was brick size
2016-11-30T23:52:30 < jadew> hand a full set of keys and was sliding up
2016-11-30T23:52:36 < jadew> but it also had touchscreen
2016-11-30T23:52:57 < jadew> that's an iphone killer
2016-11-30T23:53:55 < kakimir> you have thousands of euros worth of nokia stocks and can not sell them - then you hear that respose to iphone is making symbian better
2016-11-30T23:53:59 < jadew> you can advertise it as being so hipster, it's not even comparable to the iphone, because it's on an entirely different level of hipster
2016-11-30T23:54:32 < kakimir> torture
2016-11-30T23:55:28 < jadew> https://www.google.ro/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=nokia%20stock
2016-11-30T23:55:33 < kakimir> samsuck s5 neo was almost the first phone I was satisfied with
2016-11-30T23:55:46 < jadew> looks to me like stocks went up after the nokia-ms partnership
2016-11-30T23:56:12 < kakimir> unless they had some radio problem in my phone or generally that makes me boot the phone every 2 hours to keep internets
2016-11-30T23:56:28 < jadew> I was almost satisfied with my s4 mini
2016-11-30T23:56:38 < jadew> still have it and I don't think I'll change it anytime soon
2016-11-30T23:56:47 < kakimir> jadew: stocks went up but you already knew the truth of it
2016-11-30T23:56:52 < jadew> the only problem with it is that it doesn't source power over the usb connector
2016-11-30T23:57:33 < kakimir> it was oppoturnistic, short termed reaction
2016-11-30T23:58:27 < englishman> stm32 content http://i.imgur.com/khdYgGE.jpg
2016-11-30T23:58:59 < jadew> nice! you converted a soap holder into a quad? :D
2016-11-30T23:59:00 < Kliment> cute
2016-11-30T23:59:22 < kakimir> do anyone remember what was different about jpa-'s VESC custom board?
2016-11-30T23:59:22 < jadew> I'm kidding, looks nice
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